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| 00:02.39 | seal | hi |
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| 00:04.33 | thinkUland | Well, I have good reason to do it afterwards. (It is quite complex live system, built with the script (for being able to make multiple versions and clarity what is inside) and it is build in stages for convenience. For example I install software first, then I make snapshot, so I can change configuration without waiting for so long for all of the packages to unpack when I notice a typo.) |
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| 00:11.33 | seal | new with linux and i'm using debian |
| 00:11.49 | seal | how can i find my user list in command? |
| 00:12.07 | dondelelcaro | seal: I not sure what you mean by user list. |
| 00:12.15 | dondelelcaro | seal: but id; may be what you're looking for |
| 00:12.47 | seal | ok |
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| 00:13.48 | seal | dondelelcaro is there a user file i could cat in /etc/? |
| 00:14.45 | dondelelcaro | seal: if you're looking for all users, it's /etc/passwd generally, but that's not terribly portable |
| 00:14.50 | dondelelcaro | seal: what are you trying to do? |
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| 00:29.13 | ManHeat | The Fedora/Redhat people arent feeling very well as i see it. Ive used it since Fedora 4 and i think they made good progress back then, but if they are that cranky ill make more .deb's |
| 00:29.19 | eb0t1 | is it a bad idea to use tor with debian |
| 00:29.38 | eb0t1 | because i have looked and it says you have to alter your sources list file |
| 00:29.59 | ManHeat | Control the bot! :) |
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| 00:30.45 | ManHeat | Mornin Skaag |
| 00:30.50 | eb0t1 | adding torproject.org to the sources list file on wheezy is it dangerous |
| 00:31.06 | Armin | hi, is there a *more* colorized ls than ls --color=auto -F? i would really love to see that a bit more colored, like, owner/group in different color than permissions and date etc. |
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| 00:36.53 | ManHeat | I want the answer in priv if any: Why could a few peoples make Fedora bad all of a sudden ?. I want to see the full progression of the IT-area. Not so bad myself, but on a political level it feels like the people of earth are beeing silenced. Anyone of you that have a facebook-account knows this. Let us know when we do not accept this evesdropping anymore. |
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| 00:37.56 | themill | ManHeat: I'm struggling to find any relevance to #debian here. |
| 00:38.10 | ManHeat | ... Next |
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| 00:41.46 | ctmjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.39 | ManHeat | So, are you always this quiet ;) |
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| 00:44.59 | shingouz | No, we usually only react to Debian-related comments |
| 00:46.04 | BrazierCustoms | mysql still broken, but why would apt make me reconfig password for mysql every other time I install/remove a package |
| 00:46.09 | AegisOne | Aha, so you dont care about anything... else? in the computematronics area ? |
| 00:46.30 | syntroPi | When using network-manager to connect an usb wlan stick (RT3070 over rt2800usb) is it possible to give it an default tx power (ie. 10 dBm instead of 20 dBm [ 100mW !!!] ) on every usb(re)connect or startup similar to "iwconfig wlan1 txpower 10" ? |
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| 00:47.33 | AegisOne | network-manager (Doesnt work for so many network ranges) ... Try 10.0.0.1-254 ... Calculates it wrong all the time |
| 00:47.49 | AegisOne | Thats the Razor |
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| 00:49.42 | AegisOne | If you mean well for the peoles of the world, then add a dot and press enter after this message. |
| 00:49.47 | AegisOne | . |
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| 00:50.34 | ctmjr | AegisOne: You should stop now |
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| 00:53.43 | AegisOne | ctmjr: Perhaps, but we want to know the worldly situations and this is woth more then any one man or woman because then we will act to make peoples lives better and that if any doesnt sound so bad to me. I hope that im right though, because if i aint this isnt gonna look very good my firend. |
| 00:54.33 | Spec | Nope, it'll look quite silly. |
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| 01:10.18 | BrazierCustoms | so I still got a mysql problem, fails with bind, its on a vservers kernel , there are no listed matching ports listed, mysql tries to reconfig every other install of any packages.. |
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| 01:15.56 | themill | BrazierCustoms: is there some output you can pastebin so we can understand more what you're saying? or some log output from trying to start mysql? |
| 01:17.19 | themill | BrazierCustoms: is this your lenny system from earlier? or is it now a mixture of lenny and squeeze that you're upgrading? |
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| 01:24.50 | BrazierCustoms | themill, sorry i had a phone call |
| 01:25.38 | BrazierCustoms | themill, http://pastebin.com/ZnhbR7RZ |
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| 01:26.24 | BrazierCustoms | themill, it is the same, it is a squeeze system with vservers kernel, the vserver is lenny |
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| 01:27.30 | themill | that's lenny's mysql though, not squeeze's. Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy mysql-server mysql-server-5.0 mysql-server-5.1" for me? |
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| 01:30.27 | BrazierCustoms | themill, http://pastebin.com/z1saLS1s |
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| 01:35.41 | BrazierCustoms | themill, did u get it? |
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| 02:20.28 | BrazierCustoms | aparently I have a vserver network setup problem, mysql starts id I add skip-networking, but the vserver can ping google. I dont understand whats wrong with it |
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| 02:21.10 | nanicoar | hmm hmm ooh #debian-next |
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| 02:23.34 | nanicoar | ...I keep getting No such Nick/channel when I try to /msg dpkg. |
| 02:25.23 | MrFrood | nanicoar: debian-next is on the oftc server |
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| 02:25.52 | nanicoar | MrFrood: Thanks =) |
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| 02:39.47 | nanicoar | Hm... the mirror on ftp.funet.fi seems to be broken. |
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| 02:59.19 | azizLIGHTS | whats the difference between adding a group and adding a group --system |
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| 03:01.55 | azizLIGHTS | only thing i can tell is the GID assigned? |
| 03:02.00 | azizLIGHTS | what difference does that make |
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| 03:04.58 | codygman | Hmm... what is the best way to install linux image 3.9? |
| 03:05.01 | codygman | in testing that is |
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| 03:05.39 | shellox | hi, anyone using icinga here? |
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| 03:09.22 | abrotman | codygman: testing has a newer kernel already |
| 03:09.46 | codygman | abrotman: I want an older one... only 3.9 and lower work with newer nvidia drivers |
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| 03:13.14 | abrotman | codygman: skeptical about that .. |
| 03:13.39 | codygman | abrotman: I think I found it: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux/3.9.8-1/#linux-image-3.9-1-amd64_3.9.8-1 Check out: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/567297/linux/linux-3-10-driver-crash/6 |
| 03:13.42 | codygman | brb |
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| 03:32.13 | BrazierCustoms | ok i figured it out.. mysql fails to start on vserver because the main server is using the same port, but why it never did this before?? how can I fix it? |
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| 03:33.38 | abrotman | seems obvious |
| 03:34.31 | BrazierCustoms | abrotman, only to a smart guy like you.. I somewhat understand net config, but not with aliases and vservers |
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| 03:35.09 | arthurfiggis | hmm...trying to figure out what drivers would be needed for my laptop's video, if it's even supported in linux at all :( amd radeon hd 8210 apparently |
| 03:35.14 | petern_ | Still using vserver? |
| 03:35.21 | BrazierCustoms | yes |
| 03:35.31 | dvs | arthurfiggis: That's too new |
| 03:35.50 | petern_ | vserver's always had that problem with ports. |
| 03:36.10 | BrazierCustoms | it never did it before, until I restored a backup.. |
| 03:36.10 | arthurfiggis | dvs: aha, i thought that it might be, it is a new laptop :) hmm...well thanks for letting me know |
| 03:36.11 | petern_ | Bind to a specific IP. |
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| 03:36.30 | BrazierCustoms | dont work |
| 03:37.02 | BrazierCustoms | the only thing that did was to change the port.. |
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| 03:37.17 | petern_ | Bind to a specific IP on the main host. |
| 03:37.48 | BrazierCustoms | hmmm, but i have users all over the shop |
| 03:38.04 | petern_ | And they use different IPs for one server? |
| 03:38.22 | BrazierCustoms | oh.. I need to pick an io so it will use specific interface? |
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| 03:38.42 | BrazierCustoms | its 4 servers |
| 03:39.13 | petern_ | vserver doesn't segregate networking effectively, therefore you can't have things listening on the same port without binding to specific IPs. |
| 03:39.20 | BrazierCustoms | host has mysql, then vservers named web, mail, & mysql |
| 03:39.39 | BrazierCustoms | but it worked for the last 5 years.. |
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| 03:40.09 | petern_ | Maybe by luck if the mysql instances started in a certain order. |
| 03:40.35 | petern_ | Consider switching to lxc. vserver isn't even available in wheezy. |
| 03:40.56 | arthurfiggis | dvs: wow, really new indeed..even in the 13.4 proprietary drivers that chipset isn't supported yet :) luckily i have 30 days to return the thing |
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| 03:43.01 | BrazierCustoms | petern_, In the future, I will consider not using virtualization.. I dont see where we need it? |
| 03:44.03 | petern_ | vserver/lxc aren't really virtualization, just containers |
| 03:44.42 | BrazierCustoms | well true, but its a pain in the arse |
| 03:44.45 | petern_ | presumably it was set up with a business case for it. |
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| 03:53.38 | BrazierCustoms | petern_... |
| 03:53.50 | petern_ | yes? |
| 03:53.51 | abrotman | run away! |
| 03:54.24 | BrazierCustoms | I would like to thank you for your help |
| 03:55.16 | BrazierCustoms | abrotman, I could never thank you enough.. |
| 03:55.40 | BrazierCustoms | even though you are being mean to me.. |
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| 03:56.00 | petern_ | You're welcome. I assume by that you've got it going :) |
| 03:56.16 | BrazierCustoms | well, I got both instances to start |
| 03:58.21 | BrazierCustoms | i'm still working on it, but now that I have a better idea with us both putting our heads together I'm sure I will figure it out abrotman, because I have been trying to figure this problem out for 3 days and it seems that nobody understands vservers enough.. |
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| 03:59.29 | abrotman | yeah, that's the problem .. |
| 03:59.41 | BrazierCustoms | (I was also a little confused about the bind config because I for some reason thought that it meant it would only listen from that ip. No idea why I was looking at it that way) |
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| 04:01.24 | BrazierCustoms | abrotman, I hate it, I plan to rebuild again. I'm terrible with samba and auth too.. but if it wasn't for abrotman this server would still be on the previous distro.. you remember that? |
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| 04:03.19 | daju | Hi, I've updated jessie recently and I used to share an ethernet connection but the network-manager gui changed a bit I can't figure out how to configure the thing to get my interface shared throught a local network because the option "share to other computer" disappeared |
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| 04:06.29 | BrazierCustoms | but anyway have a good night, thanks to everyone that helped & sorry for taking up/wasting wasting your time funny how simple the solution can be.. |
| 04:08.06 | petern_ | Hmm, 4am, should probably go to sleep. |
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| 04:12.10 | BrazierCustoms | night |
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| 04:16.54 | bmoloney | Hello, I am having a problem with nfs-common (more specifically idmapd) at boot. The problem seems to come from the fact that my "Nobody-User" and "Nobody-Group" defined in /etc/idmapd.conf are defined in LDAP rather than locally. At boot I get an error about not finding this user/group. After boot I can restart nfs-common and mount my NFS shares and everything will work. |
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| 04:18.03 | bmoloney | Is there some way I can get nsswitch/LDAP up and running before the nfs-common service is started? |
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| 04:58.55 | jenia | hello everyone |
| 04:59.18 | jenia | can i set up a chroot directory and use symbolic links to link all the libraries i need? |
| 04:59.33 | jenia | i want to "make snort", the newest version |
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| 05:18.41 | goatee | how can i disable the screensaver in lxde |
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| 05:20.05 | goatee | or can i customize the screensaver to only play certian files |
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| 05:33.47 | hurdorbsd | Hi guys I am issues with wvdial on debian |
| 05:33.52 | hurdorbsd | wvdial: utils/wvtask.cc:405: static void WvTaskMan::_stackmaster(): Assertion `magic_number == -0x123678' failed. |
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| 05:45.32 | was_a_win_user | wvdial: utils/wvtask.cc:405: static void WvTaskMan::_stackmaster(): Assertion `magic_number == -0x123678' failed. |
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| 05:46.40 | devios | hi - what is the proper way to disable ipv6 on my server |
| 05:47.15 | was_a_win_user | ya |
| 05:47.20 | was_a_win_user | Do it nicely |
| 05:48.24 | devios | i see: echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf will disable ipv6 at next reboot. @ https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6 |
| 05:48.38 | devios | can anyone confirm that's the way to do it? |
| 05:49.11 | acu | how can I make wheezy not boot on gnome - but on cli tty only |
| 05:49.11 | was_a_win_user | ya go with the docs |
| 05:49.17 | acu | !ipv6 |
| 05:49.18 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 05:49.32 | acu | !noipv6 |
| 05:49.32 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 05:50.03 | acu | devios ^^^ |
| 05:50.26 | devios | acu: thx |
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| 05:51.01 | acu | devios: I am a smarter bot - but thanks :) |
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| 05:52.10 | was_a_win_user | Ok |
| 05:52.41 | devios | how do i add something to my bootloader? |
| 05:52.49 | devios | !bootloader |
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| 05:55.29 | was_a_win_user | it is simple |
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| 05:57.21 | devios | was_a_win_user: i am still trying to figure it out |
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| 05:58.25 | Lorcatar | How can I turn down volume using bash |
| 05:58.32 | was_a_win_user | lol |
| 05:58.37 | was_a_win_user | simple |
| 05:58.39 | Lorcatar | Or I guess command line I get with ctrl alt f1 |
| 05:59.03 | was_a_win_user | Guys do one thing goto Docs and read it all .. it is all there .. no one would spoon feed you |
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| 06:00.10 | Lorcatar | nice nickname. I need it in order to not wake up my friend. I never needed this functionality until this moment just tell me. |
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| 06:02.30 | well_laid_lawn | Lorcatar: amixer -c 0 set Speaker 5%- &> /dev/null but change Speaker to the relevant device |
| 06:02.47 | Lorcatar | thanks |
| 06:02.54 | well_laid_lawn | cheers |
| 06:03.14 | hurdorbsd | Cheers |
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| 06:19.11 | j4jackj | There are many papers I have to deliver |
| 06:19.25 | j4jackj | None of which I can because my bicycle is [CENSORED]ed |
| 06:21.32 | well_laid_lawn | are your legs broken ? |
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| 06:33.09 | buu | Yes? |
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| 06:34.24 | truexfan81 | is debian wheezy using sysVinit or upstart? |
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| 06:35.15 | j4jackj | I believe you can choose. |
| 06:36.09 | truexfan81 | i'm just trying to figure out which of the 2 i have used in the past lol |
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| 06:39.35 | alexbodn | hello friends |
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| 06:42.36 | alexbodn | i've just upgraded gnome/gdm3 and it doesn't start again. there's a cursor blinking top left. startx as root is starting x |
| 06:42.44 | alexbodn | any help? |
| 06:46.10 | alexbodn | it happens on both our computers. running testing. |
| 06:48.03 | alexbodn | the logs show no error, even in debug |
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| 06:57.47 | sajjadg | I don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ folder in my debian 7.2 and I want to do some modification to touchpad buttons. is it OK to create this folder? how gnome change mouse setting without this file? |
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| 06:59.03 | well_laid_lawn | is there a /etc/X11 folder ? |
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| 07:01.28 | sajjadg | well_laid_lawn, no |
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| 07:02.24 | well_laid_lawn | and X works ? |
| 07:02.26 | well_laid_lawn | wow |
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| 07:02.58 | sajjadg | I want to enable mousepad tap-click feature. https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad says that I should config some file in xorg.conf.d and those not exist |
| 07:03.19 | sajjadg | well_laid_lawn, yeah. X is working just fine. gnome-shell, awesomeWM |
| 07:05.07 | sajjadg | they removed it some time ago I think. there was a setting for graphic drivers there somewhere and they removed it too |
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| 07:06.46 | well_laid_lawn | sajjadg: at the top of the X log normally is mentioned what config files it reads, anything there? |
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| 07:08.48 | sajjadg | well_laid_lawn, no nothing there |
| 07:09.13 | well_laid_lawn | what, no X log or no config files mentioned/ |
| 07:09.16 | well_laid_lawn | ? |
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| 07:11.59 | sajjadg | well_laid_lawn, no config file mentioned in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:12.11 | sajjadg | except one for bumblebee |
| 07:12.19 | well_laid_lawn | I use arch mostly which i guess is at least a little ahead of debian and here i get Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" |
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| 07:14.11 | DoverMo | well_laid_lawn, combine into megaxorg! |
| 07:14.12 | sajjadg | well_laid_lawn, what you doing here :P (kidding) |
| 07:15.14 | phy1729 | Just replaced an old ubuntu server with a Debian one; feels good. |
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| 07:15.28 | sajjadg | well_laid_lawn, I think Debian is more stable and better support and I just want to work with a stable system. I don't have time to deal with OS problems now. but later I will try it for sure. seems nice. |
| 07:15.41 | DoverMo | the power rangers are pretty dumb. if every episode ends up with them turning into the megarobot to beat the enemy, why not just do that in the first place and save the time? |
| 07:15.47 | sajjadg | phy1729, 7.2? |
| 07:15.56 | phy1729 | sajjadg: of course |
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| 07:16.25 | phy1729 | It was also my first system entirely configured with configuration management |
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| 07:17.35 | linux-fox | phy1728: what service do you run from your server? |
| 07:17.40 | hurdorbsd | wvdial gives a magic number failed error |
| 07:17.41 | sajjadg | phy1729, with what? |
| 07:17.46 | phy1729 | ansible |
| 07:18.06 | phy1729 | linux-fox: web server, inspircd (IRC), and monit |
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| 07:19.01 | linux-fox | phy1729: very good |
| 07:19.06 | well_laid_lawn | sajjadg: I wasn't recommending a change to arch, just pointing out that X still looks for config files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
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| 07:20.49 | sajjadg | well_laid_lawn, I see |
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| 07:21.37 | DoverMo | well_laid_lawn, linux 2.6.3 - for life |
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| 07:23.13 | hurdorbsd | Does any one know about wvdial ? |
| 07:23.28 | well_laid_lawn | sajjadg: I don't know if you create the required folders whether they'll be read... |
| 07:23.33 | well_laid_lawn | try it and see |
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| 07:24.12 | DoverMo | does this mean when jessie is frozen then we wont have 2.6 anymore O: ? |
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| 07:25.25 | DoverMo | hurdorbsd, it's a dial-up utility O: |
| 07:25.39 | hurdorbsd | wvdial: utils/wvtask.cc:409: static void WvTaskMan::_stackmaster(): Assertion |
| 07:25.41 | hurdorbsd | `magic_number == -0x123678' failed. |
| 07:25.46 | hurdorbsd | I get this error |
| 07:25.55 | hurdorbsd | Do you know what 2 do? |
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| 07:28.14 | DoverMo | hurdorbsd, google says install libwvstreams and try purging |
| 07:28.26 | DoverMo | hurdorbsd, but no i have no real answer |
| 07:28.34 | DoverMo | hurdorbsd, well actually |
| 07:28.37 | DoverMo | hurdorbsd, i dont use google |
| 07:28.44 | DoverMo | hurdorbsd, shame on me for using that name |
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| 07:31.34 | hurdorbsd | Ok DoverMo how to purge |
| 07:31.54 | DoverMo | hurdorbsd, apt-get purge wvdial then install it again o-o |
| 07:32.08 | hurdorbsd | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=674006 |
| 07:32.20 | DoverMo | hurdorbsd, and try installing libwvstreams, and reboot for good measure |
| 07:32.21 | hurdorbsd | DoverMo .. this page has the fix but i can't get it |
| 07:32.33 | hurdorbsd | okay |
| 07:32.45 | hurdorbsd | DoverMo Which DE do you use? |
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| 07:33.18 | DoverMo | hurdorbsd, elexdi-i |
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| 07:33.32 | hurdorbsd | wow |
| 07:33.34 | hurdorbsd | link? |
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| 07:34.27 | DoverMo | hurdorbsd, O: |
| 07:34.46 | hurdorbsd | did you see the debian link? |
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| 07:38.00 | DoverMo | hurdorbsd, well yeah, you'd have to compile it o-o |
| 07:38.14 | hurdorbsd | okay |
| 07:38.40 | hurdorbsd | elexdi-i ?? I can't find it |
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| 07:44.56 | CygniX | how do you create dropbear user to unlock remote luks. I have test it with root and it works, but is it possible to user limited account? |
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| 07:47.19 | alexbodn | after gdm3 upgrade, it doesn't start x. startx does. gdm and x logs are silent |
| 07:47.27 | alexbodn | any idea? |
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| 07:47.34 | icesword | hi |
| 07:47.42 | alexbodn | hi |
| 07:47.58 | icesword | ok just a test i see if i can talk |
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| 07:58.12 | well_laid_lawn | there is #test |
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| 08:03.21 | nell | I didn't know how to properly backup my system so I just rsync'd my home directory to a USB |
| 08:03.34 | nell | is there a way I can restore it exactly as I had it before |
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| 08:07.28 | grimeton | nell: rsync it back? |
| 08:07.42 | grimeton | nell: the easiest way is to create a tar ball |
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| 08:10.23 | grimeton | tar cvfpP - ~ | xz -v9 | split -b 204800000 - backup_$(date +"%F")_ |
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| 08:11.27 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 08:11.41 | confrey | my notebook resume on every event : any key pressing, lid closing or opening, USB events if attached; I need to store in suspend mode in my bag, but it resume byself simpy moving the bag, (I suppose with keys action); I need to resume it with Power button only, what may I do? |
| 08:12.41 | grimeton | simply moving sounds like a movement sensor detects movement and resumes |
| 08:12.57 | grimeton | i wonder if this is a kernel setting or a service that does the trick |
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| 08:17.29 | somiaj | I thought it was a bios setting |
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| 08:44.11 | omarek | Hi, a Windows XP machine of my coworker just broke, and doesn't boot past the windows logo. I'm going to prepare a Debian 'live cd' for diagnostic purposes, and maybe even install. |
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| 08:44.32 | omarek | The thing is, I don't remember if the machine is 32 bit or 64 bit. Is it possible to check ? |
| 08:45.04 | omarek | The manuals, install CD's etc are hard to find, if they're still around at all. |
| 08:45.13 | omarek | I mean for the 'xp' machine. |
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| 08:45.58 | shingouz | pop the hood and check physically? |
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| 08:46.42 | luichi | hello |
| 08:46.51 | BotaniCar|2 | omarek: if the Win FS contains "Program Files" and "Program Files(x86)" folders, it's 64bit(XP that was deployed). If it only contains "Program files" it's 32bit |
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| 08:47.12 | luichi | can video and i915 modules removed if i run console? |
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| 08:48.43 | dbast_ | omarek, there is a debian multiarch installer, that can either boot a 32 or a 64bit installer, so you can find out what works http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
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| 08:49.23 | omarek | BotaniCar: I'd like to know how to check prior to preparing installation media. |
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| 08:49.58 | BotaniCar | omarek: i can't think of a faster way than 2 already proposed ( open the box and see or boot to a live CD and check folder list on FS) |
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| 08:50.21 | omarek | dbast_: Does this installer have a 'live cd' boot option ? |
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| 08:51.16 | omarek | I'd like to boot first before making a commitment. |
| 08:51.23 | dbast_ | omarek, don't think so... |
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| 08:52.17 | omarek | Well, 32 bit livecd should boot on a 64 bit machine, right ? |
| 08:52.27 | BotaniCar | yes |
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| 08:52.47 | dbast_ | omarek, there is the multiarch grml live linux... i always use grml to save the data and then i use the multiarch debian installer to install debian :) |
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| 08:53.17 | grimeton | omarek: before you do anything - boot from a windows cd/dvd (any version) and run a chkdsk on the drive that fails |
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| 08:53.20 | omarek | Then I can check for Program Files(x86) directory and prepare different media if needed. |
| 08:53.31 | grimeton | omarek: in 99% of the cases it's just a f*cked up filesystem that prevents the box from booting |
| 08:53.33 | omarek | shingouz: pop the hood and count the bits ? |
| 08:54.12 | omarek | grimeton: Nobody in the office has a clue where the install cd's are. The boss is out of office. I'm a new employee, too. |
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| 08:54.13 | shingouz | omarek: you could do that but maybe the motherboard type or cpu gives the correct answer when you google it |
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| 08:54.28 | grimeton | omarek: then download the eval dvd image from microsoft.com, burn and boot it |
| 08:54.36 | grimeton | omarek: all you have todo is to boot from a windows dvd |
| 08:54.41 | omarek | shingouz: good idea. |
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| 08:54.44 | grimeton | you can even put the harddrive into a different machine and check it there |
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| 08:55.19 | omarek | grimeton: I'm not sure I can find an optical drive in the office. |
| 08:55.31 | BotaniCar | omarek: i'd suggest you inspect the CPU , FS check might mislead you ( if previous box owner installed 32bit OS on a 64bit capable box, for any reason) |
| 08:55.33 | grimeton | you can also use a usb thumbdrive to boot windows |
| 08:55.44 | omarek | grimeton: Are you sure it's better than just using a linux USB for diagostics ? |
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| 08:56.11 | grimeton | omarek: i'd go that way to be sure it's not just an fs problem - and a chkdsk on ntfs is best run from windows |
| 08:56.24 | omarek | grimeton: Okay, I'll try that. |
| 08:56.45 | shingouz | would just nuke the doze... ;) |
| 08:56.47 | grimeton | best sympthom for a f*cked up fs: boots till the xp logo is shown and then does a reset |
| 08:56.55 | omarek | Plus, I need to find a screwdriver :-). |
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| 08:58.27 | omarek | grimeton: Yes, that's what happens. |
| 08:59.11 | grimeton | omarek: check the fs |
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| 09:02.01 | omarek | Does anybody have a clue how to check the CPU without removing the CPU fan ? |
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| 09:02.11 | omarek | Some of these things are notoriously hard to put back. |
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| 09:02.37 | BotaniCar | you can just get MBO model, and get your infofrom that. ALmost all of them have a model nr visible somewhere |
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| 09:02.39 | shingouz | omarek: if you can see the motherboard type somewhere, google that first |
| 09:03.20 | guest7418585 | You can check a CPU with a PCI mobo tester. |
| 09:03.38 | quinso | Hello. I am trying to write a log of compilation to a file for debuggin, I redirect its output with > but not all output gets redirected. It looks like cmake's output is redirected but make's output is not. How do I fix that? |
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| 09:04.04 | well_laid_lawn | try &> |
| 09:05.11 | quinso | well_laid_lawn: thanks, that worked. But what does &> do? |
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| 09:06.16 | ChrisH | omarek: define: check a CPU.... installing mcelog might be a starting point, combinde with cpuburn |
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| 09:07.07 | omarek | I think I have the mobo model, it's P5QL-EM/-V-p5G43/DP_MB . But hyphens make it hard to google for. |
| 09:07.34 | omarek | Hmm, socket 775... |
| 09:08.07 | grimeton | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:08.49 | omarek | grimeton: On the machine I haven't booted yet ? |
| 09:09.04 | grimeton | you have to boot from anything to get that info |
| 09:09.10 | grimeton | if the bios doesn't show it |
| 09:09.29 | omarek | I forgot to check in BIOS. |
| 09:09.30 | ChrisH | the crystallball is out for recalibration |
| 09:10.08 | omarek | Doesn't socket 775 determine it's 32 or 64 bit ? |
| 09:10.20 | errorist | whats the line I gotta add to sources.list again for backporting a app from wheezy repos to a squeeze server? |
| 09:10.31 | grimeton | the only thing the socket gives you is the number of pins it has |
| 09:10.46 | errorist | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-backports main? |
| 09:10.57 | omarek | About the bootable windows (xp), I assume it does contain checkdisk ? |
| 09:11.11 | grimeton | omarek: yeah the rescue system |
| 09:11.31 | grimeton | omarek: let's hope the system isn't stored on a sata controller, .... |
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| 09:12.45 | omarek | Can I prepare bootable windows flash without windows cd ? |
| 09:12.54 | grimeton | omarek: no |
| 09:13.02 | grimeton | if you want to use a usb flash drive you should go for windows 7 |
| 09:13.05 | grimeton | it's easier |
| 09:13.55 | omarek | Either way, is there bootable USB software which can prepare a bootable windows and doesn't require original windows install media ? |
| 09:14.16 | omarek | grimeton: How about windows 7 ? It probably requires the install cd, too ? |
| 09:14.20 | grimeton | omarek: you could create an iso image from the windows installation and then create a bootable usb drive |
| 09:14.20 | ChrisH | omarek: put a debian image onto an USB Stick and boot it.... Then you know everything. Dunno why you thing about asking about windoes install media in #debian |
| 09:15.03 | omarek | ChrisH: because grimeton suggested it. |
| 09:15.42 | omarek | ChrisH: The hypothesis is that it's merely a broken filesystem. Can a Debian boot USB fix NTFS filesystems ? |
| 09:16.45 | omarek | grimeton: Care to provide a link ? I've found 'wintoflash.com', and it does require CD. |
| 09:16.46 | guest7418585 | Nope. |
| 09:17.07 | ChrisH | omarek: dunno. This is debian not how to fix my NTFS Filesystem. ntfsfix (8) - fix common errors and force Windows to check NTFS |
| 09:17.08 | guest7418585 | Debian can do many things but not that. |
| 09:17.24 | omarek | If the fast way of fixing NTFS doesn't work, I'm happy to install Debian instead, but I may have to deal with user resistance. |
| 09:17.48 | grimeton | omarek: why don't you just download a windows dvd from microsoft.com? |
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| 09:18.52 | omarek | grimeton: I don't get it. Microsoft is *selling* windows. |
| 09:19.03 | grimeton | omarek: yeah and offering 30 day trials |
| 09:19.07 | grimeton | to download |
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| 09:21.10 | well_laid_lawn | quinso: sorry was watching a vid. &> redirects both stdout and stderr |
| 09:21.28 | grimeton | omarek: http://answers.microsoft.com/de-de/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/wo-kann-ich-die-windows-7-iso-dateien/610a3a3c-e99c-42e6-8cf8-fda31127b035 |
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| 09:21.38 | omarek | grimeton: Office trials. I don't see any Windows trials. Forget it, I'm trying a livecd Debian, and ntfsfix. |
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| 09:23.39 | ChrisH | !offtopic |
| 09:23.39 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 09:24.23 | luichi | when my sysetm boots it doesnt start graphical interface. i have lwm installed and seleceted in update-alternatives |
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| 09:26.05 | ChrisH | well_laid_lawn: do you know by chance if this is posix or GNU extension. I am used to: 2>&1 |
| 09:28.12 | Kobra | can anyone help with dependancy issues? i'm trying to install gqrx (https://launchpad.net/~gqrx/+archive/releases), but i'm getting gqrx : Depends: libpulse0 (>= 1:0.99.1) but 4.0-6+b1 is to be installed |
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| 09:28.40 | Kobra | but 4.0 > 0.99 |
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| 09:30.03 | omarek | Does Debian LiveCD builder work for you ? |
| 09:30.22 | omarek | I'm supposed to get a mail, it may take 5-20 minutes, but I get nothing. |
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| 09:32.21 | babilen | omarek: wait |
| 09:33.27 | ChrisH | Kobra: the link you showed sounds like ubuntu stuff. do not mix ubunut into debian. |
| 09:33.37 | Kobra | uhh |
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| 09:33.50 | ChrisH | Kobra: you are running Debian I assume? |
| 09:33.57 | Kobra | yh |
| 09:34.06 | Kobra | but, i can't build it very easy lol |
| 09:34.13 | Kobra | it's hart :( |
| 09:34.15 | Kobra | hard |
| 09:34.19 | omarek | Yes, it has 'ubuntu' all over the place, all packages on the page seem to contain it. |
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| 09:34.41 | well_laid_lawn | ChrisH: afaik it's a bash builtin thing |
| 09:34.55 | guest7418585 | First a windows guy now a ubuntu one. |
| 09:34.58 | ChrisH | Kobra: gqrx debian into google shows top hits to http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/gqrx-sdr_2.2.0.25.5d6be8-1.html |
| 09:35.19 | Kobra | yeah, but you look for those debs....... |
| 09:36.03 | Kobra | maybe im blind, but i don't see a download |
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| 09:37.48 | ChrisH | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=662073 is a open packageing request |
| 09:37.49 | grimeton | omarek: are you an it professional? |
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| 09:43.24 | omarek | Bachelor's degree in IT and working as a programmer. |
| 09:43.32 | grimeton | omarek: yeah, work on it ... |
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| 09:45.27 | omarek | Okay, back to preparing Debian USB. I got the image debian-live-7.2-i386-xfce-desktop+nonfree.iso from http://live.debian.net . |
| 09:46.01 | omarek | The site doesn't have much in the way of documentation. I assume I need to unmount the device and 'dd' the image to it ? |
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| 09:47.17 | guest7418585 | ;b |
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| 09:47.42 | omarek | Okay, I think I got it. |
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| 09:49.36 | ChrisH | Kobra: you are right... not easy to compile. A quick try failed.... many dependencies to be installed |
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| 09:52.43 | Kobra | ooooh,, using the ppa, and build-deps works |
| 09:52.52 | Kobra | maybe then building will work |
| 09:53.47 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell Kobra about why not use a ppa |
| 09:54.25 | ChrisH | Kobra: with /msg dpkg you can get the referred stuff from the bot. Can I assume you want to use it for Ham Radio purpose? |
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| 09:54.49 | omarek | Copying the image seems to be stuck. Any idea why ? My command: sudo dd if=debian-live-7.2-i386-xfce-desktop+nonfree.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M; sync |
| 09:54.53 | omarek | Is it because of sudo ? |
| 09:55.04 | Kobra | ChrisH: yes |
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| 09:55.24 | omarek | The drive was unmounted prior to this. I'm sure I got the right letter. |
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| 09:55.46 | omarek | Nevermind, it's finished. |
| 09:55.49 | omarek | :-) |
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| 09:56.55 | CngZ | hello, is there mumble available on your debian/sid ? |
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| 09:57.09 | CngZ | can't install it on amd64 arch :( |
| 09:57.32 | ChrisH | ,v mumble |
| 09:57.33 | judd | Package: mumble on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2; wheezy: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2 |
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| 09:58.29 | ChrisH | CngZ: http://packages.debian.org/sid/mumble looks ok |
| 09:58.32 | Kobra | how can i mark a dependancy as installed btw? |
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| 09:59.04 | Kobra | and ChrisH: the server for that works fine, but the client segfaults (running it in GDB works fine lol) |
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| 10:00.02 | CngZ | my mirror : ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mumble/ |
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| 10:00.28 | CngZ | oups not, mine is ftp://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mumble/ |
| 10:00.40 | ChrisH | Kobra: ulimit -c unlimed and than check the core :) |
| 10:00.45 | CngZ | and I got : |
| 10:00.46 | CngZ | apt-cache policy mumble |
| 10:00.48 | CngZ | mumble: |
| 10:00.50 | CngZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.51 | CngZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.53 | CngZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.34 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell CngZ about localized errors |
| 10:02.12 | ChrisH | CngZ: please use paste.debian.net for pastes... the bot seems in good mood today; not kicking you for flooding the channel |
| 10:02.25 | CngZ | sorry thx |
| 10:02.28 | Kobra | ChrisH: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libosmosdr-bin_0.1+1git20130726-gcd37e9fa-0ubuntu0~gqrx~saucy1_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 10:02.28 | Kobra | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.31 | addaitech | '/usr/share/applications/gdebi.desktop' |
| 10:02.32 | Kobra | anyway i can solve this? |
| 10:02.33 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 10:02.34 | addaitech | er |
| 10:02.36 | grimeton | sometimes i wonder why we have a bot at all |
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| 10:03.20 | ShapeShifter499 | there appears to be a host of "tracker" processes that are eating IO making my system hang constantly. I know it can't be a lack of ram, I have 12 gigs + 18 gigs of swap |
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| 10:03.42 | ChrisH | Kobra: last time: do not use that ubuntu stuff... it will make your system unusable over the time. |
| 10:03.50 | Kobra | but, but... |
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| 10:04.05 | ShapeShifter499 | do I need "tracker"? apparently all it does is indexing to make it faster for nautilus and others to find files |
| 10:04.25 | CngZ | «voila» : http://paste.debian.net/67129/ |
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| 10:07.34 | grimeton | ShapeShifter499: the question if you NEED something can only be answered by yourself |
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| 10:08.02 | ChrisH | CngZ: OK. apt-get update ; apt-cache policy ; aptitude search mumble ; please |
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| 10:09.37 | ShapeShifter499 | grimeton, I don't think I need it but will removing it break my system? |
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| 10:09.38 | grimeton | ShapeShifter499: check what else would be removed if you remove it |
| 10:09.38 | grimeton | ShapeShifter499: if that would break the system, just disable it |
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| 10:11.00 | CygniX | anyone familiar with this busybox error: -sh: syntax error: unexpected "|" |
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| 10:12.56 | grimeton | CygniX: yeah the pipe is unexpected at this point |
| 10:13.20 | CygniX | I know, it's a password that contains pipe char |
| 10:13.32 | kodein | so escape it? |
| 10:13.38 | CygniX | how? |
| 10:13.39 | CngZ | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/67131/ |
| 10:13.41 | grimeton | CygniX: yeah escape it, but it in "" |
| 10:13.42 | jelly | CygniX: variable expansions are best doublequoted. |
| 10:13.44 | grimeton | s/but/put/ |
| 10:14.06 | jelly | ie. use "$foo" instead of $foo, everywhere |
| 10:15.25 | ChrisH | CygniX: \| might be worth a try, too |
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| 10:15.54 | jelly | (passing passwords as command line arguments isn't very sane, in general) |
| 10:16.07 | ShapeShifter499 | grimeton, found I could get rid of it in "gnome-session-properties" soo much better now :D |
| 10:16.11 | CygniX | it is but for this case there is no choice |
| 10:16.18 | CygniX | trying to unlock remove luks |
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| 10:16.45 | CygniX | see http://www.howtoforge.com/remotely-unlock-fully-encrypted-debian-squeeze |
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| 10:17.05 | omarek | Okay, I'm going to ask dumb questions. I booted the broken windows XP install from Debian Live CD. How to check what drive letters are available ? Am I supposed to try /dev/sda1 etc by trial&error ? |
| 10:17.10 | omarek | There must be a better way. |
| 10:17.31 | CygniX | omarek: lsblk |
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| 10:17.35 | omarek | I'd like to check if the hard drive is allright. |
| 10:18.01 | jelly | omarek: um, Linux does not assign nor see drive letters in any way. |
| 10:18.10 | CygniX | ^^ |
| 10:18.26 | CygniX | you will look for partitions omarek |
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| 10:19.08 | jelly | blkid may be useful as well |
| 10:21.35 | CngZ | nice I did'nt know this cmd before |
| 10:22.16 | ChrisH | CngZ: strange. try to change the sources |
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| 10:23.04 | CngZ | have you an advise for source ? ftp.fr and ftp2.fr seems to be bad ... |
| 10:23.39 | omarek | jelly: hdC, hdA, hdB |
| 10:24.09 | Klaus_Dieter | jelly: what do you meam bythat? |
| 10:24.18 | omarek | The USB boot media seems to be mounted read-only. Is it safe to fix it ? I'd like to backup some data just in case. |
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| 10:24.21 | Klaus_Dieter | by "allright" |
| 10:24.37 | jelly | omarek: those are physical disks |
| 10:24.50 | Klaus_Dieter | omarek not jelly |
| 10:25.05 | Klaus_Dieter | jelly: and what do you mean by "fix" |
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| 10:25.37 | omarek | jelly: What are physical disks ? 'lsblk' lists /dev/sda1,2,3,4 . I'm pretty sure /dev/sde is USB. |
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| 10:25.43 | jelly | Klaus_Dieter: sorry, I'm missing context... what are you talking about |
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| 10:26.24 | omarek | WHen booting Debian from an USB image, is it possible to write some data on the USB drive ? Can I remount it rw ? |
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| 10:26.31 | CngZ | ChrisH: my bad ... mumble is not available for testing. just stable & unstable. |
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| 10:27.01 | sajjadg | how to change layout from terminal? |
| 10:27.04 | Klaus_Dieter | omarek: yes. you can use mount -o remount,rw <mountpoint> for that. |
| 10:27.11 | jelly | omarek: /dev/hda /dev/hdb, or /dev/sda, /dev/sdb... are devices each associated with a physical, hardware HDD (or other block) device |
| 10:27.45 | omarek | jelly: even /dev/sde ? |
| 10:27.47 | sajjadg | setxkbmap -layout "us, ru" not working. $ setxkbmap -layout "us, fa" |
| 10:27.47 | sajjadg | Error loading new keyboard description |
| 10:27.51 | jelly | omarek: yes. |
| 10:28.13 | jelly | omarek: your usb stick is a block device, of usb-storage type |
| 10:28.22 | Klaus_Dieter | omarek: sde may be your usb drive. you can check with dmesg|grep sde |
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| 10:29.57 | jelly | omarek: but regarding your issue, it's unlikely ntfsfix will actually fix any serious problems on an ntfs; you really want to use native (= windows) tools for that. |
| 10:29.58 | omarek | jelly: Then why does 'lsblk' say "/dev/sde1" blah blah blah /lib/live/mount/media ? |
| 10:30.04 | ChrisH | CngZ: oh... I overlook that, too. |
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| 10:30.24 | Klaus_Dieter | omarek: it is likely that sde is your usb drive. |
| 10:30.26 | jelly | omarek: a partition from /dev/sde is mounted on /lib/live/mount/media |
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| 10:31.19 | jelly | omarek: windows, on the other hand, assigns each partition with a known filesystem type a separate "drive letter" |
| 10:31.35 | omarek | Okay, long story short /dev/sde1 is USB. I'm booting the windows machine from it. It's mounted read-only. Is it possible and safe to remount it with other options so I can copy (backup) data on it ? |
| 10:31.58 | omarek | jelly: I've been using computers since Atari 65 XE. I know. |
| 10:32.38 | omarek | I only skipped Amiga, went straight from 8 bit Atari to 486SX with a german DOS. |
| 10:33.15 | jelly | omarek: you've been asking some basic questions, is all |
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| 10:35.07 | omarek | Is it possible to boot Debian from USB and use the same USB to backup data on it ? |
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| 10:35.40 | omarek | Internet connection doesn't work, the computer was connected via wireless. |
| 10:36.17 | jelly | omarek: probably; haven't tried doing that recently. I use grml.org for Linux recovery instead of debian live images. |
| 10:36.40 | jelly | have you tried remounting the usb rw as suggested before? |
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| 10:40.46 | omarek | jelly: I'm somewhat in a hurry, I've prepared a debian livecd recently, and I leave experimenting for safer times. |
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| 10:44.19 | grimeton | ... |
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| 10:47.27 | Kobra | FUCK YESS, BUILDING GQRX!!!! |
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| 10:54.25 | omarek | I plugged in a second USB drive, but it doesn't seem to work. This is the dmesg output. Is it broken ? http://bpaste.net/show/RxmNVtAiEBCewo4UkLyK/ |
| 10:54.55 | Kobra | FUCK YES, BUILD AND INSTALLED :D:D::D:D:D |
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| 10:55.36 | omarek | Your build 20131122.085051.756184083 was started Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:51:04 +0000 and ended Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:34:28 +0000 with status 'maybe-successful'. |
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| 10:55.43 | omarek | LOL |
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| 10:58.10 | Kobra | http://screenshot.xiatek.org/Kobra/1385117881.png |
| 10:58.20 | jelly | omarek: you're right, it doesn't seem to work! |
| 10:58.29 | jelly | try a different port? |
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| 10:59.13 | babilen | Kobra: Please note that this is a technical support channel for Debian users. Ask if you have a Debian related question and take off-topic chatter to #debian-offtopic. |
| 10:59.25 | tecepe1 | hello, folks. I'm a 'debian testing' user. I work a lot with Kicad (electronics) and I wonder why the version of this program is 1.5 years late. There is an appreciable difference to the latest version. Does anyone know if Kicad team needs help? If yes, how can I help can I help them? |
| 10:59.28 | Kobra | yeah, sorry, ill shush now; just excited |
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| 11:00.51 | ChrisH | Kobra: what rig offers 2m as SDR? I assumed it all ends around 30MHz |
| 11:00.59 | petn-randall | tecepe1: sid has a version from july 2013. Generally jessie/sid are discussed in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. We can carry on the discussion there :) |
| 11:01.10 | Kobra | ChrisH: there isn't actually anything attached yet |
| 11:01.18 | petn-randall | tecepe1: (since this channel is "stable only") |
| 11:01.36 | ChrisH | Kobra: and what will you connect? Show us/me a nice waterfall |
| 11:01.41 | Kobra | i have a Funcube Dongle Pro+ on the way, it has 80Khz bandwidth |
| 11:02.07 | Kobra | i have an existing scanner, but it doesn't have SDR features, but ill use the arial :P |
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| 11:04.46 | Klaus_Dieter | I am wondering: What is a good way to avoid a frankendebian? I mean.. if I need to compile software and install it that is not in the correct version / patchlevel available in .deb. what do I do to not break everything in the long run? |
| 11:05.11 | Klaus_Dieter | for multiple programs I am using manual patchsets |
| 11:05.19 | honestly | make debs |
| 11:05.57 | Klaus_Dieter | and this is starting to drive me insane... openssh, qemu, mediawiki, cryptodev, syncevolution.... |
| 11:05.57 | tecepe1 | ok, petn-randall! sorry about that! i'm going to #debian-next. thx! |
| 11:06.22 | Klaus_Dieter | honestly: but what about the upgrade process? |
| 11:06.57 | petern_ | Install into /usr/local |
| 11:07.22 | petn-randall | Klaus_Dieter: openssh?! |
| 11:07.24 | petern_ | What requires new versions of things like ssh? |
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| 11:08.21 | Klaus_Dieter | petn-randall: if you want to use cryptodev with a manually patched version such that the chip does not produce hash errors everywhere then you need the new stuff |
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| 11:08.39 | Klaus_Dieter | openssl sorry |
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| 11:09.02 | petn-randall | Klaus_Dieter: Can you point me to the bug report you're talking about? |
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| 11:10.24 | Klaus_Dieter | petn-randall: I do not think this is a debian bug report. I did this: http://klausdieter0815.wordpress.com/2012/10/13/dreamplug-cryptodev/ |
| 11:10.47 | Klaus_Dieter | and the root cause is somewhere in the kernel |
| 11:11.05 | Klaus_Dieter | granted 0.98 is not new any more but same difference for newer versions. |
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| 11:11.57 | petn-randall | Klaus_Dieter: If no one knows, no one can fix it ... |
| 11:12.05 | Klaus_Dieter | in contrast to what I wrote, based on my research the bug is NOT in openssl but in the kernel. |
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| 11:12.32 | Klaus_Dieter | petn-randall: this issue has been raised on lkml about 2 years ago. |
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| 11:14.47 | petern_ | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 11:18.40 | fishsponge | does someone know the answer to this: I am running "rsync -avPShc /file /nfsshare/file" (on lots of files) and some of the files are different when I run "diff". When I then rsync them again, it has to rsync again. I try a third time, sometimes rsync says it's fine. Sometimes I have to do it 6-10 times before it gets fine - anyone know why?!? |
| 11:18.56 | fishsponge | my source PC is a RAID 1 server and my NFS destination is a RAID 1 Netgear ReadyNAS. |
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| 11:19.20 | fishsponge | when the file rsyncs perfectly and "diff" says they're identical, any future rsync doesn't make any changes... |
| 11:21.05 | Klaus_Dieter | petern_: I am very hesitant to give this a different try since my data on my hdds is encrypted so if errors are introduced there this will have a huge impact on me. |
| 11:21.41 | Klaus_Dieter | fishsponge: nfs is the cause of this. you can try setting up an rsync server. |
| 11:22.20 | fishsponge | Klaus_Dieter, good idea... i'm just going into the web interface of my Netgear ReadyNAS |
| 11:24.08 | Klaus_Dieter | honestly: petern_ - does this "make debs" also apply to the kernel? |
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| 11:24.38 | fishsponge | Klaus_Dieter, i already have "rsync" turned on on my ReadyNAS... brb... |
| 11:24.39 | honestly | i should think so |
| 11:25.19 | petern_ | Uh... what |
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| 11:26.21 | Klaus_Dieter | well, but then again, what is the benefit of making debs in that case? |
| 11:26.46 | petern_ | Who said to make debs? |
| 11:26.47 | Klaus_Dieter | at some point apt will try to overwrite my deb-kernel. |
| 11:27.04 | Klaus_Dieter | petern_: ah honestly did. sorry, you didn't I just noticed. |
| 11:27.11 | petern_ | Ah, someone else. |
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| 11:28.08 | honestly | apt shouldn't just overwrite things. |
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| 11:29.14 | petern_ | It will take the opportunity to upgrade the package if it thinks it can. Best to properly report bugs. |
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| 11:30.47 | fishsponge | Klaus_Dieter, if I use the rsync service on my Netgear ReadyNAS, will I still be able to access exactly the same files from the same NFS mount? |
| 11:32.24 | tecepe1 | petn-randall: #debian-next requires an invitation. What am i doing wrong? |
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| 11:37.33 | themill | tecepe1: wrong network -- it's on irc.oftc.net |
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| 11:40.01 | Klaus_Dieter | fishsponge: you can share the same directory on your nas box so yes. |
| 11:40.26 | Klaus_Dieter | petern_: yeah. that is great. :/ |
| 11:40.33 | fishsponge | Klaus_Dieter, i'm still trying to work it out... here's the command I'm using at the moment, and it's failing... rsync -avPShc root@nas1::snapshots/ deleteme/ |
| 11:40.41 | fishsponge | Klaus_Dieter, it says: @ERROR: Unknown module 'snapshots' |
| 11:41.09 | Klaus_Dieter | try rsync root@nas1 first |
| 11:41.09 | petern_ | Have you configured the module snapshots? |
| 11:41.11 | Klaus_Dieter | and list your modules |
| 11:41.15 | bhuddah | why "::"? |
| 11:41.29 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: because that is what the rsync syntax requests. |
| 11:41.39 | petern_ | That's the rsync syntax for modules, anyway, |
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| 11:41.54 | bhuddah | Klaus_Dieter: ah. i'm sorry.. i thought about it being just ":" like with scp. |
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| 11:41.58 | fishsponge | Klaus_Dieter, i just tried "rsync -avPShc root@nas1 deleteme/" and it says "rsync: link_stat "/home/rhobbs/binit/root@nas1" failed: No such file or directory (2)" |
| 11:43.01 | fishsponge | petern_, i don't know how to configure the "module snapshots" - i have a folder shared over NFS called "snapshots", and I don't know how to configure modules... |
| 11:43.27 | petern_ | How did you enable rsync on the device? |
| 11:43.36 | petern_ | The configuration would be there. |
| 11:43.52 | Klaus_Dieter | fishsponge: you need to install the rsync server on the device and configure the module which corresponds to your nfs share |
| 11:44.20 | fishsponge | Klaus_Dieter, it's a Netgear ReadyNAS which I have checked the box to enable the rsync server. I just nmapped it as well, and port 873 is open. |
| 11:45.28 | sco` | Hi, I'm really trying to trim down my base rootfs install. rootfs is on 128mb nand chip. During boot i mount /var/lib from another drive. This mounts over an existing /var/lib/ where 4.7M is is taken up in /va/lib/dpkg/info . Is it a good idea to keep this 4.7M? This is my first debain experience. |
| 11:46.13 | madmac2501 | i am using live-build, i would like to use in the boot menu option "preseed/file=/custom_preseed.cfg" so I can have multiple entries with different preseeds |
| 11:46.16 | madmac2501 | how can i do that? |
| 11:46.27 | petern_ | Klaus_Dieter, possible the module name is the name of the share? I don't know how ReadyNAS works. |
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| 11:49.54 | fishsponge | Klaus_Dieter, petern_, i've finally figured it out - I've had to enable rsync for a particular Share! |
| 11:50.03 | fishsponge | thanks for the advice - I will try it out and see how it goes! |
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| 11:57.56 | omarek | Okay, recovering the Windows XP machine can wait. Meanwhile... |
| 11:58.22 | theacolyte_ | hello, i am trying to install debian 7.2 amd64 on my intel based 27 aluminium imac, system installs OK but after it doesn`t boot |
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| 11:58.54 | theacolyte_ | i have before chosen to install the grub in the /dev/sda not on the MBR because i remember some article saying that |
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| 11:59.08 | omarek | What's the best (driver-wise) iso image for installing or booting Debian ? Or other Linux flavor ? In particular, the most likely have wireless working out of the box. |
| 11:59.23 | theacolyte_ | right now i am installing it again. i manually partitioned the hard drive so i have only /swap and / |
| 11:59.30 | petern_ | Well, /dev/sda is the MBR |
| 11:59.35 | omarek | The image from live.debian.net booted, but without wireless internet. |
| 11:59.37 | theacolyte_ | anyone knows what should i choose when asked for the MBR |
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| 12:00.08 | theacolyte_ | hmm that is not good i think, i looked alot on google is not the first time i have problems installing linux on this excuse me shit computer |
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| 12:04.12 | theacolyte_ | anyone owns aluminium imac and uses debian 7.2 on it ? i would like to know how you installed it |
| 12:04.24 | grimeton | theacolyte_: with a dvd |
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| 12:04.58 | theacolyte_ | yes bro i already written the dvd and it`s all good on installing, the problem is that it doesn`t boot after install |
| 12:05.32 | grimeton | you need and efi partition |
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| 12:05.35 | grimeton | and refind |
| 12:05.35 | grimeton | http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ |
| 12:05.44 | grimeton | and then use grub-efi to boot it |
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| 12:06.46 | theacolyte_ | i do not have anything installed on it so i cant use refind or refit. In the past i tried refit and its complicated . i can tell you i once had a windows7 in dualboot with a fedora |
| 12:07.02 | theacolyte_ | all this without any refit |
| 12:07.21 | grimeton | then you know what todo |
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| 12:07.47 | theacolyte_ | if i did knew i would`t be here bro. i installed win and linux so many times i actually forgot what worked and what not |
| 12:07.54 | theacolyte_ | seriously, it`s a pain |
| 12:08.29 | grimeton | theacolyte_: yeah whatever |
| 12:08.46 | theacolyte_ | and my linux knowledge is not so expanded man |
| 12:09.05 | theacolyte_ | i just want to install debian on the full hdd |
| 12:09.15 | theacolyte_ | if anyone knows how to do it on alumiun imac please tell me |
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| 12:11.03 | theacolyte_ | grimeton: giving the fact that i did only /swap and / manually on this install, what do you suggest i choose when asked about the MBR ? |
| 12:11.30 | theacolyte_ | or better say when asked about where to install the boot loader |
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| 12:14.59 | theacolyte_ | people should really work on some install command line for macs |
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| 12:15.04 | theacolyte_ | i always have the same problem |
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| 12:17.06 | RickyB98 | Hello :) Do you need an infobot? Or do you already have one? |
| 12:17.30 | theacolyte_ | think on making a robot that helps imac users install debian |
| 12:17.45 | RickyB98 | theacolyte_, is that so difficult? |
| 12:17.52 | RickyB98 | i have debian on mac with virtualbox |
| 12:18.11 | theacolyte_ | it kinda is man. i am at my 3rd install right now |
| 12:18.17 | theacolyte_ | i can`t make it boot |
| 12:18.24 | RickyB98 | well, you're missing something then |
| 12:18.34 | RickyB98 | mine is perfectly running |
| 12:18.37 | theacolyte_ | i do miss alot of linux knowledge |
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| 12:18.43 | RickyB98 | are you using virtualbox? |
| 12:18.51 | theacolyte_ | now i manually partitioned so i have only /swap and / |
| 12:18.58 | theacolyte_ | no, i would like only debian on the machine |
| 12:19.07 | RickyB98 | ah.. |
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| 12:19.18 | RickyB98 | a dual-boot |
| 12:19.20 | RickyB98 | or something.. |
| 12:19.29 | RickyB98 | well, there's bootcamp |
| 12:19.35 | theacolyte_ | even if i had osx i wouldnt go to install refit because its kinda complicated for me |
| 12:19.46 | theacolyte_ | i did make it work once with windows7 and fedora |
| 12:19.53 | theacolyte_ | no refit or refind whatsoever |
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| 12:20.05 | RickyB98 | so you removed os x from mac?? |
| 12:20.08 | RickyB98 | crazy |
| 12:20.11 | theacolyte_ | yes |
| 12:20.17 | theacolyte_ | i don`t like osx |
| 12:20.32 | RickyB98 | well you paid all that money to put debian on a MAC? |
| 12:20.34 | RickyB98 | o.o |
| 12:20.59 | theacolyte_ | i do trust the quality parts are made in apple |
| 12:21.21 | RickyB98 | do you know that much of the price is for the software? |
| 12:21.33 | theacolyte_ | i know that i paid 1000 euros for the apple only |
| 12:21.37 | theacolyte_ | the rest are the parts |
| 12:21.51 | theacolyte_ | it doesn`t bother me man, i can`t undo what`s done |
| 12:21.58 | RickyB98 | yeah... |
| 12:22.09 | RickyB98 | Do you guys need an infobot? Or do you already have one? |
| 12:22.26 | theacolyte_ | when asked for the MBR where to install it |
| 12:22.30 | theacolyte_ | what should i choose man ? |
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| 12:22.54 | RickyB98 | the empty partition i guess |
| 12:22.56 | RickyB98 | never done it |
| 12:22.57 | RickyB98 | sorry :\ |
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| 12:23.06 | theacolyte_ | oh well thanks man |
| 12:23.23 | theacolyte_ | i`ll try all options i can see and install till it works |
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| 12:23.49 | RickyB98 | okk |
| 12:23.51 | RickyB98 | xD |
| 12:23.55 | RickyB98 | don't break your mac |
| 12:23.56 | RickyB98 | :) |
| 12:24.04 | theacolyte_ | why not bro |
| 12:24.11 | theacolyte_ | 3000 euros and i can`t use it ? |
| 12:24.22 | theacolyte_ | or it works or it don`t |
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| 12:25.01 | RickyB98 | well.. everything must be used as it should |
| 12:25.02 | theacolyte_ | besides i don`t see how i can brake it like this. i am only installing an operating system some other millions of people are installing |
| 12:25.04 | RickyB98 | i mean |
| 12:25.07 | RickyB98 | if i pick my mac |
| 12:25.17 | RickyB98 | and throw it through the window |
| 12:25.21 | RickyB98 | that's not correct use ^^ |
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| 12:25.38 | RickyB98 | you could break the harddisk with all these partitionings |
| 12:25.42 | theacolyte_ | but is it correct use to wait for an intel based mac then go buy it and can`t use it ? it ain`t bro |
| 12:25.49 | theacolyte_ | i am willing to take the risk |
| 12:25.54 | RickyB98 | well i can use it lol |
| 12:26.00 | theacolyte_ | i just want debian installed so i can go on with my stuff |
| 12:26.13 | RickyB98 | you could have done a dual-boot between os x and another system |
| 12:26.26 | RickyB98 | at least you wouldn't have wasted 1000 euros :) |
| 12:26.29 | RickyB98 | or dollars |
| 12:26.30 | theacolyte_ | i tried with refit before but i never succeeded with that |
| 12:26.30 | RickyB98 | idk |
| 12:26.34 | theacolyte_ | euros bro |
| 12:26.40 | RickyB98 | where are you from |
| 12:26.41 | RickyB98 | ? |
| 12:26.42 | theacolyte_ | total machine cost 2980 euro |
| 12:26.44 | theacolyte_ | spain |
| 12:26.51 | RickyB98 | ah espana! |
| 12:26.54 | RickyB98 | well.. |
| 12:27.01 | RickyB98 | mine was 27** |
| 12:27.06 | RickyB98 | idk precisly |
| 12:27.07 | theacolyte_ | mine is 27 |
| 12:27.11 | theacolyte_ | inch |
| 12:27.16 | RickyB98 | ah that's imac |
| 12:27.24 | RickyB98 | i have a macbook pro no retina |
| 12:27.27 | RickyB98 | 15 inch |
| 12:27.32 | RickyB98 | inches* |
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| 12:27.44 | theacolyte_ | reliable laptop you got there, overpriced as everyone knows |
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| 12:27.49 | theacolyte_ | but they quality |
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| 12:30.35 | theacolyte_ | so RickyB98 if i fist install windows 7 then try to install debian is it easier ? i mean i have seen that after writing the dvd, it has a setup.exe on it for windows machines but i never used it. i am pretty new to debian i mostly used rpm based systems in the past |
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| 12:31.02 | RickyB98 | well... |
| 12:31.12 | RickyB98 | you should use a partitioning soft via iso |
| 12:31.14 | RickyB98 | i think |
| 12:31.20 | RickyB98 | magic partition or something |
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| 12:31.59 | RickyB98 | http://adf.ly/ZjVAa |
| 12:32.02 | theacolyte_ | i am thinking on trying that setup.exe . it actually did wonders for a APU amd laptop |
| 12:32.16 | theacolyte_ | but that was a mint installation |
| 12:32.19 | RickyB98 | going to eat |
| 12:32.20 | RickyB98 | :) |
| 12:32.23 | RickyB98 | see you later : |
| 12:32.24 | RickyB98 | :) |
| 12:32.32 | theacolyte_ | k bro have fun |
| 12:33.21 | madmac2501 | how can i use multiple preseed files in live-build? |
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| 12:34.20 | grimeton | madmac2501: define "preseed file" ? |
| 12:34.43 | madmac2501 | grimeton, i would like to have two menu entries with different preseeds |
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| 12:35.00 | theacolyte_ | grimeton: what do you think about first puttin win7 and then using the setup.exe debian dvd 1 has on it |
| 12:35.01 | theacolyte_ | ? |
| 12:35.06 | grimeton | madmac2501: you mean presets? |
| 12:35.08 | theacolyte_ | *putting |
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| 12:35.29 | grimeton | theacolyte_: dude, seriously: go use google |
| 12:35.35 | theacolyte_ | i did use google alot |
| 12:35.39 | theacolyte_ | why do you think i got here |
| 12:35.55 | madmac2501 | grimeton, something like this in the boot entry "append preseed/file=/installer/defaultA.preseed" |
| 12:36.03 | grimeton | theacolyte_: frankly: to tell people that are trying to help you that they have no idea what they are talking about and to piss them off |
| 12:36.14 | madmac2501 | i don't know what is a preset |
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| 12:36.30 | theacolyte_ | i did not say i have no ideea, just that my knowledge is limited, that doesn`t mean i am retarded |
| 12:36.31 | grimeton | madmac2501: ah you want to add something to the boot prompt? |
| 12:36.44 | theacolyte_ | and i have not offended anyone in here, i am talking a language that i was not born to talk |
| 12:36.50 | theacolyte_ | and english is my 4th language |
| 12:36.57 | madmac2501 | grimeton, i know how to modify the boot prompt, but i don't know where to put the preseed files |
| 12:37.01 | theacolyte_ | so i guess i am doying just fine and talking with as much respect as i can |
| 12:37.03 | theacolyte_ | BROTHER |
| 12:37.12 | grimeton | theacolyte_: i'm not your brother |
| 12:37.24 | grimeton | theacolyte_: maybe you want to try ubuntu - it's africain for "I can't install Debian" |
| 12:37.24 | theacolyte_ | i can send you 100 for your help if i get it done |
| 12:37.30 | theacolyte_ | is that kind enough for ya ? |
| 12:37.46 | grimeton | madmac2501: i still don't understand what those preseed files are or do |
| 12:38.12 | theacolyte_ | i was sarcastic on the brother thing |
| 12:38.18 | theacolyte_ | but anyway |
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| 12:38.45 | madmac2501 | grimeton, they are different configuration for debconf |
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| 12:39.21 | grimeton | madmac2501: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso |
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| 12:40.12 | madmac2501 | grimeton, i would like to do that using live-build |
| 12:40.33 | theacolyte_ | alguien sabe como instalar debian 7.2 en un intel aluminio imac ? |
| 12:41.17 | Melvin | aun no |
| 12:41.28 | grimeton | madmac2501: yeah then add it to the initrd |
| 12:41.45 | theacolyte_ | yo se que se puede Melvin, lo hize hace un anio mas o menos |
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| 12:41.56 | theacolyte_ | pero no me acuerdo ke hize exactamente pq lo instale mas de 20 veces |
| 12:42.25 | Melvin | ah al menos no lhe intentado |
| 12:42.27 | theacolyte_ | y creo ke el notas este de aki ke supuestamente intenta ayudarme me a malentendido o cree ke me stoy burlando de el. Nadie pierde el tiempo para burlarse en irc sabes |
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| 12:44.39 | Melvin | hey amigos |
| 12:44.44 | Melvin | tengo una consulta |
| 12:45.04 | Melvin | que piensan sobre la certificacion de |
| 12:45.11 | Melvin | COMPTIA LINUX + |
| 12:45.16 | Klaus_Dieter | Melvin: theacolyte_ please use english language in here. |
| 12:45.39 | theacolyte_ | i tried english before, didn`t helped me much |
| 12:45.50 | Melvin | ok sorry |
| 12:46.12 | theacolyte_ | i am reffering to the hispanic community, as the english community thinks i`m making fun of them with my problem |
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| 12:46.55 | madmac2501 | grimeton, how do i add it to the initrd? |
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| 12:47.13 | grimeton | madmac2501: add it to the build-process that builds the image |
| 12:47.26 | grimeton | i don't use live build, but it can't be that hard to place that file into live build |
| 12:47.45 | theacolyte_ | btw Klaus_Dieter ich bin weiss und du bist schwarz |
| 12:47.47 | theacolyte_ | :-) |
| 12:47.59 | grimeton | E_WRONG_LANGUAGE |
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| 12:49.25 | theacolyte_ | i wonder what would grimeton have spoken if he were born in a remote place like mongolia. i`m guessing that when a mongolian person comes to ask for help he still gonna stick with the english |
| 12:49.46 | theacolyte_ | it is incorrect to believe that english is #1 language on all planet. you were born talking it. we were not |
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| 12:52.18 | Klaus_Dieter | theacolyte_: I believe that it is common ground that english is not the #1 language in most places of the world. Most of the people in here are not native speakers (you and me included) but it is the only language we can use in here to not exclude parts of the community. so can we please drop that discussion and pickup what is on topic here? |
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| 12:53.02 | theacolyte_ | i did try to ask in english, all i got was a response saying that i am most likely to make fun on that specific user that was trying to help me |
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| 12:53.20 | theacolyte_ | i did ask in spanish after because spanish people tend to be more ```tender```with their race |
| 12:53.28 | theacolyte_ | and maybe that way i can express my way better |
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| 12:54.04 | themill | We have #debian-es if you'd rather seek or give help in Spanish. |
| 12:54.36 | theacolyte_ | thanks, you could also try to add that into the topic so i know my way next time |
| 12:54.45 | Klaus_Dieter | theacolyte_: I believe this is due to the fact that you are using english as it is spoken in the fast and furious and that this is irritating in an IT community. if you feel more comfortable using your native language then you could seek assistance in #debian-es. also language hast NOTHING to do with race. |
| 12:54.55 | themill | there's no way we can add every language to /topic |
| 12:55.08 | themill | we just have to live with a manual redirection if needed |
| 12:55.18 | theacolyte_ | oh sorry i was not born in america to speak the right and good english of any man that gets up in the morning and happily goes to work |
| 12:56.08 | theacolyte_ | so i have to take my dictionary when talking in irc channels over the internet. |
| 12:56.09 | grimeton | theacolyte_: the main problem is that you asked for help and i offered it to you - all you did was to tell me that this is not the way to go and that you know how todo it without refit/refind but you can't remember ... to me this looks like you don't even have a clue of what you're trying to achieve |
| 12:56.28 | grimeton | theacolyte_: and that's why i'm not going to help you - no idea, but knows everything better - my mac mini is working that way ... |
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| 12:56.43 | theacolyte_ | you don`t help me coz i am not english and i understand you are racist |
| 12:56.43 | grimeton | theacolyte_: it has nothing todo with the language or the country you come from |
| 12:56.52 | theacolyte_ | no problem i don need no help from racist people |
| 12:56.56 | themill | theacolyte_: that is untrue. You can stop spouting nonsense now |
| 12:57.10 | theacolyte_ | you can stop acusing my talking and start helping me |
| 12:57.30 | theacolyte_ | im not american nor i am born in england nor my country talks english by default |
| 12:57.33 | theacolyte_ | i am talking AS I CAN |
| 12:57.40 | Klaus_Dieter | ok. I am out of this discussion. |
| 12:57.46 | grimeton | yeah me too |
| 12:57.46 | theacolyte_ | better bro |
| 12:57.51 | theacolyte_ | you don`t make no sence |
| 12:57.53 | kodein | *demanding* help is usually not the best recourse. nor is rejecting all advice given. |
| 12:57.53 | themill | no-one has criticised your ability to communicate in english |
| 12:58.01 | theacolyte_ | i am not demanding |
| 12:58.03 | theacolyte_ | i am just saying |
| 12:58.06 | theacolyte_ | if u know u say how |
| 12:58.08 | themill | if we knew answers other than the ones you have rejected, we'd help you |
| 12:58.14 | theacolyte_ | if u dont then pass and shut up |
| 12:58.21 | theacolyte_ | dont start wikth the language thingy and stuff |
| 12:58.29 | themill | umm... you can stop telling everyone what to do, thanks |
| 12:58.42 | Klaus_Dieter | theacolyte_: *plonk* |
| 12:58.58 | theacolyte_ | i dont understand that thing |
| 12:59.02 | theacolyte_ | what is that plonk thing |
| 12:59.05 | theacolyte_ | ficken fuck |
| 12:59.08 | themill | theacolyte_: please just stick to asking for help, you're just annoying people and making them want to stop helping you |
| 12:59.19 | theacolyte_ | why dont you ban me then man |
| 12:59.25 | theacolyte_ | do something about it english person |
| 12:59.31 | grimeton | we have ignore, way more powerful |
| 12:59.32 | themill | I'd rather help you... |
| 12:59.34 | theacolyte_ | please all english waiting for you to save the day |
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| 13:00.08 | Klaus_Dieter | grimeton: :) indeed. |
| 13:00.13 | themill | theacolyte_: users don't get banned for imperfect english. they get banned for being a pain in the arse. Like you. |
| 13:00.32 | theacolyte_ | i would really like to see you try to ban a person who ownz alot of ips |
| 13:00.33 | theacolyte_ | try it |
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| 13:01.12 | themill | theacolyte_: feel free to /msg me if you actually want to focus on fixing your problems with debian |
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| 13:02.29 | acolyte2 | yeah so where was i |
| 13:02.53 | acolyte2 | themill: man dont worry i wont ever pm you |
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| 13:03.06 | grimeton | ante portas |
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| 13:11.26 | runa_ | heyas. I have a 2 disk softraid. the first one (sda) is dying and I want to replace it. but when I try to boot with the empty disk and sdb I cannot boot because it seems sdb is not booteable. any hints? |
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| 13:11.41 | grimeton | runa_: grub not installed on sdb |
| 13:11.47 | grimeton | runa_: install it on sdb and be happy |
| 13:11.57 | grimeton | and don't forget to reinstall grub on sda after you replaced the disk |
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| 13:13.16 | runa_ | grimeton: ok, 'installation finished'. let's boot again. |
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| 13:19.08 | dast1986 | Guys, how are ya? I have my 117-101 exam this afternoon (LPIC-1, first exam). Anyone any thigs i really should know? |
| 13:19.27 | ChrisH | dast1986: what is 117-101? |
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| 13:19.40 | dast1986 | ChrisH: the first exam of the LPIC-1 certification |
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| 13:20.02 | ChrisH | dast1986: You mentioned that, but what is LPIC-1? |
| 13:20.23 | dast1986 | ChrisH: it's an 'generic' Linux certification. It's not about one specific distribution, but about Linux in general |
| 13:20.33 | dast1986 | ChrisH: it teaches bash, package managers, X11, etc. |
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| 13:21.39 | errorist | ChrisH: lpic1 is a good start :) if you take the exam or not, it will provide you with a ok platform of knowledge to build on |
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| 13:22.11 | dast1986 | errorst: yep, true. I want to get LPIC-1 and LPIC-2 and then go on with RHCSA and RHCE |
| 13:22.35 | eb0t1 | does anyone know if it is ok to install tor browser on debian wheezy |
| 13:22.42 | ChrisH | errorist: I will not take a certificate :) You could hire me to teach that stuff :) |
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| 13:22.54 | Klaus_Dieter | dast1986: this exam is meant to establish a baseline for users/admins for linux who have about 1 year experience. there is nothing we can do to help you to prepare for an exam that will happen this afternoon. |
| 13:23.06 | dast1986 | and I'm sure I know all the knowledge for the exam, but i still would like some intel from someone who already did it :-P |
| 13:23.13 | runa_ | grimeton: tnx. |
| 13:23.25 | grimeton | dast1986: i have 20 years of experience and i'm sure i won't pass, so don't worry ;) |
| 13:23.46 | ChrisH | dast1986: Most important thing: keep cool and keep in mind you do not know less without the certificate |
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| 13:23.54 | dast1986 | grimeton: hehe, i have just over a year of experiance now |
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| 13:24.10 | dast1986 | ChrisH: yeah, that's true :-) |
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| 13:24.19 | dast1986 | thanks for the help, guys, it really gives me confidence in the exam |
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| 13:26.09 | dast1986 | well, wish me luck! byebye |
| 13:26.21 | Klaus_Dieter | dast1986: keeping my fingers crossed. good luck. |
| 13:26.32 | blanitz | themill: here man |
| 13:26.40 | blanitz | ban evading do your stuff |
| 13:26.46 | blanitz | i make sure i be here all day with ya |
| 13:26.52 | themill | blanitz: grow up |
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| 13:27.13 | blanitz | you first |
| 13:27.22 | blanitz | i came in here lookin for help all i got is rage and racism |
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| 13:27.48 | themill | blanitz: untrue but feel free to live with a chip on your shoulder if you want |
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| 13:28.05 | a4c0lyt | you still dont get it |
| 13:28.13 | a4c0lyt | i may be noob at installing i am not noob at using it |
| 13:28.21 | a4c0lyt | but you do ur stuff man ban me like a robot |
| 13:28.57 | a4c0lyt | besides if someone knew how to install it would already have told me but you dont know and you express your lack of not knowing by banning the user |
| 13:29.05 | a4c0lyt | which my friend makes you more lamer that i will ever be |
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| 13:29.41 | evader2 | you like robots |
| 13:29.48 | evader2 | what you cant understand you ban |
| 13:29.49 | themill | evader2: I already explained to you that you'd have got your answer if we knew it. You decided instead to try to pretend this was about language or race or some other crap. Just go away, |
| 13:29.50 | Klaus_Dieter | babilen: this mask is probably a little too broad... |
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| 13:30.39 | Klaus_Dieter | it is a script kiddy |
| 13:30.52 | grimeton | haven't heard that term in a long while |
| 13:31.02 | babilen | Lets move on please, okay? |
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| 13:31.39 | grimeton | so, the devil walked into that bar |
| 13:31.48 | omarek | I used a 8GB USB stick to prepare a USB boot stick. Now its size is reduced to the size of the image. How do I restore it ? |
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| 13:32.02 | pre10ders | you still dont let me here |
| 13:32.04 | pre10ders | racist people |
| 13:32.05 | pre10ders | :-))) |
| 13:32.05 | Klaus_Dieter | grimeton: I am old |
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| 13:32.47 | Klaus_Dieter | omarek: you probably have a partition table on that stick now. try finding out with fdisk. |
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| 13:34.15 | Klaus_Dieter | omarek: if you do, you can either edit the partition table, and grow the file systems if you want to keep your installation data on the stick or remove it and then create a new partition spanning the whole drive |
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| 13:36.09 | r4cistKILL | it will be fun when ill actually be able to fix my computer, i`ll make sure you band me for other stuff than racism. i can promise you that. never underestimate the users of irc and stop abusing your power. we live in 2013, freedom of speech! |
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| 13:39.55 | gregor3005 | hi, i added a encrypted partition to my system and during boot time it don't aksed for the password. i added the informations in /etc/crypttab and added dm-crypt into /etc/modules. update-initramfs and rebooted. what can be missing? |
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| 13:40.58 | omarek | Klaus_Dieter: When I create a new partition, it creates a linux partition (I assume ext3 or ext4 ?). How do I make a FAT32 partition ? |
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| 13:41.21 | Klaus_Dieter | omarek: you can set the partition type to a fat32 partition |
| 13:41.49 | xand | though that has nothing to do with the actual formatting of it |
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| 13:42.30 | Klaus_Dieter | omarek: however the file system is not defined by the partition typ but by the fs you create using newfs or mkfs |
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| 13:42.43 | blackli | i go try the windows install and the use setup.exe from deb dvd to see how it goes, racist you can now go abuse your shit operator power and temporarily ban me abit :-)) |
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| 13:43.20 | omarek | Klaus_Dieter: In other words, I need to create a partition with fdisk first and then reformat it using another program ? |
| 13:43.49 | Klaus_Dieter | mkfs.vfat for example |
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| 13:45.22 | bhuddah | afaik creating a partition with fdisk only works up to a certain size and other limits i don't remember right now. |
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| 13:47.59 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: true but these limits are above the size of todays usb drives. |
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| 13:48.23 | Klaus_Dieter | omarek: if your drive happens to be larger than 1tb then use parted and gpt partition tables |
| 13:48.51 | bhuddah | ++ |
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| 13:49.47 | omarek | Klaus_Dieter: Done. No, it's a 8GB pendrive. It was listed as 'Linux', but when you mount it it actually says 'vfat'. |
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| 13:50.18 | omarek | Thank you. |
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| 14:00.59 | hurdorbsd | hi |
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| 14:14.30 | hurdorbsd | Which kernel would Debian use in its next release? |
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| 14:17.31 | grimeton | am i the only one getting a white page on imgur? |
| 14:17.35 | jelly | hurdorbsd: you asked that same question four days ago. |
| 14:17.45 | jelly | refer to your irc client logs@ |
| 14:17.48 | jelly | evil |
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| 14:21.35 | jelly | Nov 18 15:11:25 <b[censored]len> hurdorbsd: That has not been decided yet and all I can assure you of is that it will be at least 3.10. It is, however, quite likely that it will be a later version. It really depends on what Ben (kernel maintainer) feels most comfortable with. He will, after all, most likely become the upstream LTS release maintainer upstream, so ... |
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| 14:21.54 | jelly | Nov 18 15:12:31 <hurdorbsd> Oh if it would be 3.10 then I can't have many USB modem anymore as 3.9+ won't support my modem |
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| 14:22.55 | sep | running debian stable on vmware. if i add a nic interface debian remixes the eth[0-5] interfaces. no persistant net rules are generated since the generator ignores vmware mac's : what is the correct way to handle nics on debian in vmware ? |
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| 14:27.51 | hurdorbsd | jelly I love to take new inputs |
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| 14:28.41 | Aliekzhi | "ntpdate[4808]: no servers can be used, exiting" ; where to configure ntp servers ? |
| 14:28.58 | bhuddah | Aliekzhi: RTFM. also /etc/ntpd.conf |
| 14:29.23 | Aliekzhi | bhuddah, thx.what is RTFM ? |
| 14:29.24 | bhuddah | but for ntpdate i think it is best to directly supply a servername on the commandline. |
| 14:29.29 | bhuddah | read the manual ;) |
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| 14:30.23 | jelly | hurdorbsd: jessie will be frozen around November 2014. There's no need to ask this particular question again until it's close to that time |
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| 14:32.43 | Aliekzhi | bhuddah, /etc/ntpd.conf no such file XD |
| 14:33.11 | bhuddah | Aliekzhi: yes. probably because you don't have ntpd installed... |
| 14:33.26 | jelly | Aliekzhi: it's /etc/ntp.conf |
| 14:33.34 | bhuddah | Aliekzhi: just supply a server on the commandline. :) |
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| 14:33.42 | bhuddah | jelly: damn. |
| 14:33.52 | bhuddah | like "ntpdate pool.ntp.org" |
| 14:34.12 | Aliekzhi | bhuddah, it's supposed to be installed... |
| 14:34.24 | jelly | !ntp |
| 14:34.24 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
| 14:35.06 | jelly | if -g is present in /etc/default/ntp NTPD_OPTS, there should be no need to use ntpdate |
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| 14:35.12 | Aliekzhi | bhuddah, and there are supposed to already be some servers set : "NTPSERVERS="0.debian.pool.ntp.org 1.debian.pool.ntp.org 2.debian.pool.ntp.org 3.debian.pool.ntp.org" |
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| 14:35.34 | Aliekzhi | bhuddah, in /etc/default/ntpdate |
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| 14:36.00 | bhuddah | Aliekzhi: i'm not using ntpdate.. sorry. i'm with chronyd |
| 14:36.35 | Aliekzhi | jelly, file doesn't exist too XD |
| 14:37.20 | jelly | Aliekzhi: sounds like you do not have the "ntp" package installed. |
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| 14:37.32 | tempspace | Is there a quick way to package a zip file as a debian package? |
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| 14:37.52 | jelly | Aliekzhi: if your machine is online 24/7 and connected to the internets, it's probably best to use ntp service. |
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| 14:38.26 | Aliekzhi | jelly, oh sorry, just tried to install "ntpd" instead of "ntp" package |
| 14:38.33 | Aliekzhi | XD |
| 14:38.47 | bhuddah | -.- |
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| 14:39.21 | Aliekzhi | so is there a dkpg-reconfigure or something to do for the deamon to be launched ? |
| 14:39.31 | Aliekzhi | and added to startup) |
| 14:39.53 | bhuddah | rc-update.d i guess still works? |
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| 14:41.09 | Aliekzhi | bhuddah, like rc-update add ntpd default works on debian ? |
| 14:42.11 | bhuddah | Aliekzhi: something like that. i haven't done that in a while i must say. |
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| 14:44.02 | hurdorbsd | best image editor which is not complex as GIMP/ |
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| 14:47.06 | jokar | Hello Debian users |
| 14:47.34 | hurdorbsd | hi jokar |
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| 14:48.08 | jokar | I want to upgrade my debian 6 to 7, I download all DVDs and I wan to use apt-get update and apt-get dis-upgrade command. Is one DVD enough? |
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| 14:48.26 | jokar | hurdorbsd: Hi |
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| 14:48.55 | Klaus_Dieter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:49.16 | jokar | Klaus_Dieter: I have my my traffic is limit |
| 14:49.36 | jokar | my traffic is limit |
| 14:50.06 | jokar | I want to added repo and use update command offline |
| 14:50.20 | Klaus_Dieter | jokar: I would try to run upgrade in place without dvd's and create a list of all packages and all urls that need to be fetched to make this happen |
| 14:50.43 | jokar | update from DVD make problems? |
| 14:50.44 | Klaus_Dieter | and then fetch only these urls externally, move them to the package dir on the old box and upgrade there. this would be minimal traffic. |
| 14:51.04 | jokar | Klaus_Dieter: Good idea |
| 14:51.04 | Aliekzhi | update-rc.d ntpd defaults returns "error: unable to read /etc/init.d/ntpd" |
| 14:51.07 | Klaus_Dieter | jokar: no but you are bound to download more than you actually need because a dvd will give you everything. |
| 14:51.20 | Aliekzhi | how should I add it to srtatup ? |
| 14:51.28 | Klaus_Dieter | jokar: the dpkg / apt wizards in here can probably tell you how to achieve that. |
| 14:51.30 | jokar | Can you advice me? |
| 14:52.15 | jokar | Klaus_Dieter: Can you tell me how? |
| 14:52.19 | Klaus_Dieter | jokar: sorry, I have only done this a couple of years ago and I never really gained understanding of dpkg and/or apt. |
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| 14:52.47 | Klaus_Dieter | but i know it is possible. probably apt-get fetch dist-upgrade and some option like pretend or not-really |
| 14:52.56 | jokar | OK but in your opinion, I can use DVD also |
| 14:53.32 | bhuddah | sure you can use the dvd. but this is by far more inefficient in terms of traffic usually. |
| 14:53.52 | bhuddah | jokar: you downloaded about 10GB of data to save on bandwidth? o0 |
| 14:53.54 | Klaus_Dieter | jokar: the manpage of apt-get has it all |
| 14:54.07 | jokar | Yes |
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| 14:54.49 | jokar | I have two internet connections. a limit and an unlimit |
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| 14:55.32 | jokar | Thank you so much for your time and help |
| 14:55.36 | jokar | Have a nice day |
| 14:55.40 | bhuddah | np |
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| 14:56.04 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: hmmm but I remember that apt-get download could be used to print the urls however -s does not show them it actually does the download |
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| 14:56.35 | bhuddah | mh? |
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| 15:07.11 | RickyB98 | theacolyte_, done installing? |
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| 15:17.39 | crane | uhm... am i blind or does the package irrtoolset not exists? |
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| 15:19.28 | RickyB98 | ya blind crane :) |
| 15:19.42 | crane | RickyB98, crap... i knew it... could you plz catch me up? ^^ |
| 15:19.58 | RickyB98 | dah i don't even know whatcha talking about xD |
| 15:20.10 | babilen | RickyB98: Why do you answer then? |
| 15:20.24 | RickyB98 | had nothin to do... |
| 15:20.26 | RickyB98 | hides |
| 15:20.29 | babilen | crane: You are correct in that that package does not exist |
| 15:20.32 | crane | lolz... |
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| 15:23.04 | babilen | crane: Why do you think that it might/should exist? |
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| 15:24.12 | crane | babilen, thx for looking, i was searching for a tool which can return me any ip network which belongs to $asn |
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| 15:26.02 | babilen | crane: Ack, ##networking would be the place I'd ask for other tools. Do you have a name of the specific tool you are looking for in the hypothetical irrtoolset package? |
| 15:26.22 | crane | babilen, yep. the tool should be "peval" |
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| 15:29.48 | halt | Hi All, I try to setup chrooted sftp access for on user, and it's does not seams to work, here is a paste which describe the issue. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3PwLRcw6 it's on a stable debain with 1:6.0p1-4 |
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| 15:43.22 | dast1986 | does anybody know a good procedure to create a Ubuntu Live USB Flashdrive? |
| 15:44.15 | hurdorbsd | ya |
| 15:44.26 | phy1729 | dast1986: you should ask #ubuntu |
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| 15:45.41 | dast1986 | ph1729: willdo |
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| 15:50.26 | Hossbeast | hello |
| 15:50.47 | Rovanion | What is the recommended way to deal with switchable graphics on a Thinkpad T420s and a nvidia card? |
| 15:51.28 | Rovanion | Hi there Hossbeast |
| 15:51.30 | daemonkeeper | Disable nvidia, enjoy better battery life and much reduced heat. |
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| 15:51.59 | Rovanion | daemonkeeper: Of course the kneejerk answer but I want to actually use the nvidia card. |
| 15:52.16 | Hossbeast | is it possible to have a package that is installable via multiple names, i.e. aliases ? |
| 15:52.19 | Hossbeast | i.e. sudo apt-get install foo_alias <-- installs the "foo" package |
| 15:53.20 | daemonkeeper | Rovanion: Linux 3.12 or whatever the latest release is learned Optimus, and so did the bleeding edge X server. If you feel that's worth the pain ... |
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| 15:53.43 | Rovanion | daemonkeeper: Sounds like just using Windows for graphics applications is easier then. |
| 15:54.06 | daemonkeeper | What do you miss by disabling Nvidia. No, really? |
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| 15:54.25 | Rovanion | daemonkeeper: Games, CAD. |
| 15:54.41 | Rovanion | daemonkeeper: Anything that utualizes the graphics card in any major way. |
| 15:54.41 | daemonkeeper | Linux is not a gaming platform anyway ;) |
| 15:54.48 | Rovanion | daemonkeeper: It is now |
| 15:55.03 | daemonkeeper | Not on your Thinkpad. Even on Windows it overheats. |
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| 15:55.10 | Hossbeast | dont mention that to valve pls |
| 15:55.42 | Rovanion | Who would have thought that Linux would be great on phones ten years ago? |
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| 15:56.33 | Rovanion | daemonkeeper: And please stop trolling. If you have nothing constructive to say then don't say anything. |
| 15:56.39 | mumpitzel | Rovanion: check vgaswitcheroo and/or bumblebee |
| 15:56.46 | Rovanion | mumpitzel: Thanks! |
| 15:57.03 | daemonkeeper | Rovanion: I'm not trolling. |
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| 15:57.13 | daemonkeeper | And I gave you constructive hints. |
| 15:57.56 | Rovanion | daemonkeeper: Like "Why would you want to use your graphics card" and "It will overheat if you do" along with "Linux doesn't do graphics". |
| 15:58.08 | daemonkeeper | It's a sad truth. |
| 15:58.24 | daemonkeeper | You purchased a device which has very poor Linux support. That's not trolling, that's reality. |
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| 15:58.35 | mumpitzel | daemonkeeper: you are wrong |
| 15:58.36 | Rovanion | I'm done feeding this troll, cya |
| 15:58.54 | daemonkeeper | And Linux is not a gaming platform, even if Valve claims so. |
| 15:59.07 | fahi | Rovanion: are you using a docking station by any chance? |
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| 15:59.21 | daemonkeeper | That's not because it would be worse, it's because the market is not interesting enough. |
| 15:59.29 | Rovanion | fahi: Don't have one for this one. Had one for my older T61 though. |
| 15:59.53 | Rovanion | fahi: Why do you ask? |
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| 16:01.04 | fahi | Rovanion: I have a T420 too... with a dock external dvi monitors, the nvidia card is hardwired to the dvi ports and it just works out of the box. Bumblebee does too if you need the nvidia card to render on the internal monitor, but it's a pretty ugly hack. From what I can tell (I haven't checked in quite some time), the new nvidia driver support optimus natively, but require a more recent version of randr (which is not in wheezy) |
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| 16:01.43 | jhutchins_wk | Rovanion: You do realize that all of the major CGI graphics for the movies are rendered on Linux? |
| 16:01.52 | Rovanion | fahi: I read that just the bare proprietary driver deosn't support turning the nvidia card off. |
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| 16:02.16 | hurdos | Hello |
| 16:02.20 | fahi | Rovanion: I believe this feature was recently introduced in the main linux kernel |
| 16:02.22 | Rovanion | jhutchins_wk: Yes, have I said that Linux isn't for graphics? I've stated the exact oposite. |
| 16:03.05 | hurdos | Please point me to a nice manual of making deb pkg from deb source |
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| 16:03.28 | hurdos | I need custom configuration |
| 16:03.41 | jhutchins_wk | !package recompile |
| 16:03.41 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 16:04.03 | hurdorbsd | how to install encfs |
| 16:04.08 | fahi | Rovanion: In any case, you can turn off your nvidia card using bbswitch, which is distributed with bumblebee |
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| 16:04.28 | bug01 | Hi, I have an issue where I have to serve different js files for different environments. The code differs only in urls which are hardcoded. generally I serve static files compressed, directly via webserver. now I have two options. 1. to serve via django and render them via template engine to paste the correct urls for the particular environment, or 2. generate n files for each environment and server via webserver. Both solutions are not p |
| 16:04.28 | bug01 | erfect. How do handle cases like that? |
| 16:04.28 | Rovanion | fahi: Right, seems like bumblebee is the way to go then. |
| 16:04.43 | fahi | Rovanion: you can use bbswitch without bumblebee |
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| 16:05.17 | Rovanion | bug01: Are you sure you are in the right channel? |
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| 16:05.48 | bug01 | Rovanion, doh! :) |
| 16:05.55 | Rovanion | bug01: :D |
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| 16:07.34 | bug01 | Rovanion, django debian looks similar |
| 16:08.30 | Rovanion | bug01: And they sort of do the same thing .. or not :D |
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| 16:14.45 | Rovanion | One thing that I really dislike about the t420s is that the replacement batteries are really expensive. |
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| 16:31.20 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 16:31.36 | ShapeShifter499 | anyone know where I would get bitcoin client for debian wheezy? |
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| 16:35.44 | KNUBBIG | Hi, I'm trying to log in via SSH without being asked for a password. I've already set this up for several accounts via the guide http://www.linuxproblem.org/art_9.html but this account won't work. Any idea why or in what logs I have to look? Thanks! |
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| 16:37.06 | jordanm | KNUBBIG: permission are probably wrong. that old article doesn't tell you fix them, and ignores that there is ssh-copy-id |
| 16:37.40 | KNUBBIG | jordanm: ah, thanks, I'll try ssh-copy-id |
| 16:38.09 | jordanm | KNUBBIG: ~/.ssh should be 700 perms on both ends and id_rsa on the client end should be 600 |
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| 16:39.34 | KNUBBIG | jordanm: after using ssh-copy-id and checking the permissions it still doesn't work |
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| 16:42.07 | jordanm | KNUBBIG: authorized_keys should also be 600 |
| 16:42.31 | KNUBBIG | jordanm: it is :( |
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| 16:43.53 | ChrisH | KNUBBIG: do you have access to the target system as root? |
| 16:44.01 | KNUBBIG | ChrisH: yes |
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| 16:44.32 | ChrisH | KNUBBIG: check /var/log/auth on server side for hints. If nothing in there, try ssh -vvv target |
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| 16:46.10 | KNUBBIG | ChrisH: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/public |
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| 16:46.54 | ChrisH | KNUBBIG: 2 options to fix that: correct the permissions or use StrictMode false on sshd_config on serverside |
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| 16:51.13 | KNUBBIG | ChrisH: what permissions do I have to change? Folder permissions or sth? |
| 16:51.35 | ChrisH | KNUBBIG: you did paste it: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/public |
| 16:51.55 | KNUBBIG | ChrisH: yeah but /home/public is owned by pub |
| 16:52.01 | ChrisH | KNUBBIG: most probably the directory is not 755 |
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| 16:52.45 | KNUBBIG | ChrisH: wow thanks that actually did it! Thank you so very much :-) |
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| 16:58.37 | timthelion | Hey, ftp.cz.debian.org seems to be serving some content through an IPV6 address(my isp only supports IPV4). Is this intended behavior for a "default" server? |
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| 17:07.45 | ksk | timthelion: it seems to be dual-stacked but its v6 is currently broken |
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| 17:08.02 | ksk | but yes, dualstack is fine imho (thus i dont know the guidlines for a debian mirror) |
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| 17:28.12 | iceroot | why was bugzilla removed from the debian repos? |
| 17:28.40 | passss | Hi im trying to install weechat using pacman -s weechat but it do not works |
| 17:28.56 | iceroot | seems like its still in development but no longer part of debian stable http://www.bugzilla.org/news/#release441 and http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=bugzilla |
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| 17:29.27 | berarma | passss: pacman?? why not use apt-get? |
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| 17:30.27 | Rovanion | passss: Probably in the wrong channel |
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| 17:31.22 | berarma | iceroot: see http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bugzilla.html |
| 17:32.37 | iceroot | http://mozilla.6506.n7.nabble.com/Bugzilla-removed-from-Debian-td86380.html |
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| 17:33.15 | iceroot | berarma: yes, as i said, its removed from debian and i was searching for the official reason |
| 17:33.43 | berarma | iceroot: you have it all there, see, I'll dig some more for you: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638705 |
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| 17:35.41 | iceroot | berarma: thank you |
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| 17:38.20 | jhutchins_wk | So the question becomes "what replaces bugzilla"? |
| 17:39.27 | iceroot | apt-cache search bug tracker shows "nothing will replace bugzilla" |
| 17:39.32 | cyclick | I use the testing release and I installed "lives 2.0.6~ds0-1" and the dependencies seem wrong, it installs libmjpegutils v2.0 and it needs v2.1... am I in the right place to report? |
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| 17:40.46 | iceroot | http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/08/bug-tracking-system/ |
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| 17:41.50 | zykotick9 | cyclick: you might want to try #debian-next on OFTC... |
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| 17:44.26 | dondelelcaro | cyclick: that's the version of libmjpegutils it was built against |
| 17:44.53 | dondelelcaro | cyclick: but it looks like this is already reported as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729987 |
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| 17:59.39 | kruug | I'm running wheezy on my server, and jessie on my desktop |
| 17:59.52 | kruug | I'm trying to set up an rsync job to back the server up to the deskotp |
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| 18:00.06 | kruug | the server is running rsync 3.0.9 and the desktop is running 3.1.0 |
| 18:00.18 | kruug | how can I force the server to upgrade to 3.1.0? |
| 18:00.36 | kruug | Or is that something I'd have to download the tar and do it manually? |
| 18:01.16 | somiaj | kruug: Any reason why you need to update the version? To me it would be surprising they are not compadable |
| 18:01.21 | somiaj | ,v rsync |
| 18:01.22 | judd | Package: rsync on i386 -- squeeze: 3.0.7-2; wheezy: 3.0.9-4; jessie: 3.1.0-2; sid: 3.1.0-2 |
| 18:01.41 | somiaj | kruug: my suggestion is '/msg dpkg ssb' and make your own personal backport. |
| 18:02.01 | kruug | When I run the rsync, I get `rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12)` |
| 18:02.10 | somiaj | but yes, since there isn't a backport made you will have to compile the newer version, I suggest the backport method so you create your own .deb file, but installing it from a tar.gz and putting it in /usr/local will work just fine too. |
| 18:02.31 | kruug | and through google, that appears to be a version mismatch, location mismatch, or permissions issue |
| 18:02.34 | somiaj | kruug: are you doing rsync over ssh or running a dameon? |
| 18:02.41 | kruug | over ssh |
| 18:03.16 | somiaj | well my laptop is wheezy, and my desktop is sid. I have no rsync issues between the two, I would doubt it is a version issue. |
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| 18:03.42 | somiaj | though I only ever rysnc from my laptop to my desktop, not the other way around and am not home to test this. |
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| 18:05.14 | kruug | somiaj: they're in the same location on both, how would I check ownership? |
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| 18:05.57 | somiaj | kruug: ls -l the files, I would doubt it is the ownership/permissions of the rsync binary, but maybe the location you are trying to copy to? |
| 18:06.21 | kruug | I'm attempting to copy to the home directory of the user I'm ssh'ing with |
| 18:07.01 | somiaj | wish I was at home (mainly so I wasn't at work) but I would double check that it works fine between sid and wheezy for me. Others here may be able to test, but I don't think the versions are gonna be your problem |
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| 18:07.09 | somiaj | kruug: one suggestion is try copying a single file and not a file tree. |
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| 18:07.30 | somiaj | also putting the full output at paste.debian.net with the command typed would be useful |
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| 18:07.48 | kruug | somiaj: here's the script that I'm running... http://kruug.org/files/backup.sh |
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| 18:08.51 | kruug | somiaj: and here's the output... http://paste.debian.net/67217/ |
| 18:09.02 | kruug | stepping out for lunch...bbiab |
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| 18:19.39 | Guest5821 | hello |
| 18:19.44 | Guest5821 | I have a technical issue |
| 18:19.53 | Guest5821 | and I would like to ask the question in the form of song |
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| 18:20.34 | Guest5821 | okay |
| 18:20.47 | Guest5821 | i need to find a good song about debian |
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| 18:21.17 | Guest5821 | vkr, |
| 18:21.19 | Guest5821 | vkr, are you there |
| 18:21.35 | Guest5821 | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 18:22.00 | vkr | no |
| 18:22.06 | vkr | not here |
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| 18:23.47 | kruug | somiaj: back |
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| 18:24.49 | somiaj | kruug: I would try to just test rsync outside of that script, maybe try a single file. But I don't think I can be of much more help |
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| 18:25.02 | kruug | alright. |
| 18:25.13 | kruug | I'll also check with the script writer, but he's also gone right now |
| 18:25.24 | somiaj | kruug: If I was home I would double check that rsync works for me between sid and wheezy, it has in the past so I doubt again it is a version issue. |
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| 18:26.04 | somiaj | kruug: but something as symple as 'touch testfile; rsync testfile host:' |
| 18:26.27 | somiaj | or user@host: |
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| 18:27.32 | kruug | somiaj: and that should show up in my /home correct? |
| 18:27.54 | kruug | yup, it's there |
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| 18:29.06 | somiaj | kruug: you could try to make a simple file tree, and copy it, but seems as the issue might be with the script. I didn't look at it too closely. |
| 18:29.25 | somiaj | kruug: you could also try to copy a small filetree in this testing manner just to make sure rsync is working |
| 18:29.51 | kruug | yeah, I'll do that, but I'll most likely have to wait until the guy who wrote it is online |
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| 18:44.05 | rryoumaa | i like to grep the logs. in order to do that, i want to merge them together, sorted by the timestamp. how do i sort by the (non-iso :() timestamp? |
| 18:44.29 | rryoumaa | (actually i don't care whether it's iso, i just want it sortable like 2013-11-22 Fri 11:44) |
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| 18:45.18 | xand | you can change the timestamp format to yyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss |
| 18:45.24 | xand | for new entries of course |
| 18:45.26 | rryoumaa | (right now i do sort /var/log/{messages,syslog}) |
| 18:45.40 | rryoumaa | really? that's great! |
| 18:47.10 | xand | I don't remember how I changed mine, and see anything obvious in the config |
| 18:47.21 | rryoumaa | xand: logger(1) has no mention of format |
| 18:47.50 | xand | sorry mine are like this: 2013-11-22T18:29:21.460908+00:00 kronos dhcpd: DHCPACK on 172.31.2.100 to 50:46:5d:12:d8:ad (android-685679e9b45dd6be) via eth0 |
| 18:47.58 | xand | but sortable anyway |
| 18:48.07 | rryoumaa | unreadable but sortable :) |
| 18:48.39 | kruug | if you don't mind changing a bit, database...then sort that based on date |
| 18:48.55 | rryoumaa | sounds troublesome |
| 18:49.08 | rryoumaa | although maybe i should learn logwatch or something? dunno. |
| 18:49.14 | kruug | or, you could load them up into a spreadsheet |
| 18:49.21 | kruug | and sort on teh date column |
| 18:49.31 | kruug | (poor-man's database) |
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| 18:49.37 | rryoumaa | nah, i want it to be a quick cli |
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| 18:51.06 | jhutchins_wk | rryoumaa: Why do you need to sort them. Are they not in cronological order? |
| 18:51.25 | kruug | jhutchins_wk: each logfile, yes, but it sounds like he wants to merge them |
| 18:51.38 | rryoumaa | jhutchins_wk: what kruug said |
| 18:51.40 | jhutchins_wk | kruug: So merge them at the syslog level. |
| 18:52.02 | jhutchins_wk | rryoumaa: log everything you want to search to one log. |
| 18:52.05 | rryoumaa | i don't know what logfiles i want right now, and i like to keep system stuff at the default |
| 18:52.13 | jhutchins_wk | (Syslog's kinda like that anyway.) |
| 18:52.30 | rryoumaa | i figure the people who set up /var/log know more than i do |
| 18:52.40 | jhutchins_wk | In rsyslog.conf: *.* /var/log/combinedlog |
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| 18:54.21 | jhutchins_wk | rryoumaa: Sorry, /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 18:56.04 | rryoumaa | your first one seems correct on my machine |
| 18:56.09 | rryoumaa | seems like syslog already is *.* |
| 18:56.17 | rryoumaa | so maybe it is a superset of messages? |
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| 18:59.04 | jhutchins_wk | rryoumaa: *.* is all sources, all levels, so it's already a combined log. |
| 18:59.38 | jhutchins_wk | rryoumaa: Sometimes auth and authpriv are stripped from the syslog. |
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| 19:00.29 | lroe | I'm trying to use avconv to glue a bunch of pngs together into a movie: avconv -r 1 -i core.png.%10d test.mp4 |
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| 19:00.46 | lroe | they are timestamp appended so the order will be correct |
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| 19:01.23 | Evidlo | Does debian ship with only free drivers? |
| 19:01.42 | jhutchins_wk | Evidlo: Doesn't realy "ship". |
| 19:01.51 | jhutchins_wk | !free |
| 19:01.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. Easier in French, or 'free beer' = gratuit / 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:") and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:"), see also <free ram>. |
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| 19:02.23 | Evidlo | Well, of course I mean free as in speech |
| 19:03.06 | jhutchins_wk | Evidlo: You can build a Debian system that meets the GNU FSS, but non-free components are easy enough to get that Debian isn't officially GNU-Free. |
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| 19:03.59 | taree | hi, does anyone know how to do a dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie with xfce desktop without pulling in all of gnome3 as a dependency? the bug (#720746) has been "marked as done", but I can't find a solution to it. any ideas? |
| 19:04.16 | Evidlo | jhutchins_wk: but out of the box, it should be only free software and drivers? |
| 19:04.37 | jhutchins_wk | Evidlo: That's the thing, it's not in a box. It depends on what you choose to download. |
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| 19:11.36 | peterrooney | taree: Wingnut idea, try at your own peril: purge everything non-essential, dist-upgrade, install xfce. I go to great lengths to avoid testing |
| 19:11.39 | peterrooney | . |
| 19:12.54 | taree | peterrooney: thanks, will investigate |
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| 19:19.36 | grumper | hi |
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| 19:19.58 | grumper | a package currently in jessie does not have any dependencies not already present in wheezy |
| 19:20.13 | grumper | what is the protocol to get it into backports? |
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| 19:20.29 | grumper | (given it requires 0 work - installign the .deb wvia dpkg works fine) |
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| 19:27.13 | lns | Can anyone recommend a good mid-range (price wise) ATI/AMD PCIe desktop graphics card that works well with Debian? It needs to have dual DVI outputs. I appreciate any input based on experience! |
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| 19:35.33 | chankey | Hi guys, I've used centOS, fedora, ubuntu and mageia, now I want to go for a distro which I can use for at-least 3-4 years. What I do: Perl programming+Server stuff, that's it. Which distro should I go for? Mint or Debian? |
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| 19:35.54 | iceroot | lns: why not intel? best card for GNU/Linux because they have useful open source drivers |
| 19:36.11 | lns | iceroot, ok i'm listening =) |
| 19:36.20 | mtn | chankey: guess what debian channel will recommend. you get 3 guesses. ;) |
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| 19:36.44 | chankey | mtn: I'll try to ask at both channels, then will conclude my question :) |
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| 19:36.47 | iceroot | lns: if you dont need the 3d performance (games) i would always use (any) intel cards |
| 19:37.08 | iceroot | lns: only good experiences with GNU/Linux and Intel VGA |
| 19:37.11 | mtn | chankey: I will save you the time. each channel will recommend their distro |
| 19:37.43 | chankey | mtn: :( |
| 19:37.57 | chankey | I went to ##linux but there I'm not allowed to post. |
| 19:38.08 | mtn | chankey: I wonder why |
| 19:38.12 | lns | iceroot, well i like gnome3 (for now) and would like 3d acceleration to work.. just trying to find a good mid-range adapter to replace my current nvidia, which is horribly broken recently in jesse/gnome3 |
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| 19:38.31 | mtn | chankey: you probably aren't registered with freenode? |
| 19:38.33 | iceroot | lns: intel cards are fine with 3d support |
| 19:38.36 | chankey | mtn: don't know, it says: can't send msg to channel. |
| 19:38.50 | iceroot | lns: its just like "the newest steam games would not get max details with intel cards" |
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| 19:38.58 | chankey | mtn: got it, need to register. |
| 19:39.34 | iceroot | lns: with my notebook intel card i am running GNU/Linux, i am playing games (sc2, diablo3) and i dont have to fight with non-free drivers from nvidia or amd |
| 19:39.50 | lns | iceroot, i'm less worried about max details and more worried about not having to recompile drivers every kernel update - and so much random broken sh*t from release to release |
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| 19:40.15 | iceroot | lns: intel drivers are directly in the kernel, you dont have to compile something by your own or download them from somewhere else |
| 19:40.39 | iceroot | lns: normally when there is an open source driver is directly coming with the kernel |
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| 19:40.54 | iceroot | lns: only these non-free drivers from nvidia and amd have to be compiled for new kernel releases |
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| 19:41.16 | lns | iceroot, i understand that... can you name any good intel pcie adapters with dual-dvi support? |
| 19:41.24 | lns | i'm having trouble finding any |
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| 19:41.51 | iceroot | ah, pci-e |
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| 19:42.18 | iceroot | to be honest i never saw an nvidia-vga as pci-e, i now them normally onboard or with the i3/5/7 combination |
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| 19:43.25 | lns | (i'm sure you mean intel-pcie) yeah, me neither.. |
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| 19:44.08 | lns | which, I guess, brings me back to my original question about good mid-range ati/amd adapters ;) |
| 19:44.12 | petern_ | yup, separate gpus are basically nvidia or amd... |
| 19:44.29 | iceroot | lns: sorry for that |
| 19:44.34 | petern_ | or matrox if you have more money than sense. |
| 19:44.35 | lns | would be pretty awesome if intel entered that market =) |
| 19:45.04 | lns | iceroot, no worries =) |
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| 19:51.36 | enkidu | hello. I am trying to use one of my machines as RDP router. however, any solutions Ive found in google related to iptables are failing. Anyone played with RDP port forwarding? |
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| 19:58.24 | |zzy_afk | Hi, just installed Debian. Been apt-get'in as root. Is that the way to install applications? |
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| 19:58.57 | ompaul | |zzy: it is one way |
| 19:59.02 | ompaul | it is a good way |
| 19:59.22 | babilen | |zzy: More or less, yes. You might want to use sudo (cf. https://wiki.debian.org/sudo) and read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html |
| 19:59.26 | ompaul | |zzy: one takes it you are only getting it from debian and not lots of random places |
| 19:59.31 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 19:59.31 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 19:59.43 | |zzy | Is it also a good way to run Code::Blocks as root? |
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| 20:00.15 | |zzy | Yes, only debian sources |
| 20:00.31 | ompaul | you should not write code as root |
| 20:00.33 | babilen | |zzy: It really depends on what you see as the alternative. Given that you have a sane sources.list (something like http://paste.debian.net/67237/) you shouldn't have to do much more. |
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| 20:01.18 | ompaul | it doesn't have to be done that way |
| 20:01.26 | babilen | |zzy: Yeah, you can install code:blocks easily with "apt-get install codeblocks" too. |
| 20:01.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell |zzy -about search |
| 20:01.46 | |zzy | ompaul: That's why I tried running the ide as a normal user after running it as root, but it gets more compile errors then. |
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| 20:02.01 | ompaul | you compile separately |
| 20:02.09 | babilen | |zzy: Err, sorry I misunderstood. You should do almost nothing as root. Use it *only* when you absolutely have to. |
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| 20:02.26 | ompaul | |zzy: you shouldn't even have to compile with root |
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| 20:02.47 | ompaul | |zzy: what exactly are you trying to code? |
| 20:03.00 | NotJimCarrey | anyone know why copying to a usb drive slows to a crawl after a while? |
| 20:03.16 | |zzy | babilen: I used apt-get to install code:blocks but I think I need to do a clean install. I tried to use find to remove all codeblock stuff that was stored, but that turned out not to be all. |
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| 20:03.52 | |zzy | ompaul: I still have to get started |
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| 20:04.35 | NotJimCarrey | as in, i'm copying a lot of files to a usb drive via copy -ruv. if i cancel the command after a while, and restart it, it speeds back up for a while |
| 20:04.37 | babilen | |zzy: What? You should *never* remove files that you installed with the package manager manually. You can use "apt-get remove FOO" or "apt-get purge FOO" for that (the latter will remove configuration files too) |
| 20:05.02 | babilen | |zzy: In fact you shouldn't touch anything in /usr or /lib/ or ... |
| 20:05.05 | ompaul | NotJimCarrey: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=50573 |
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| 20:05.39 | |zzy | ah the purge option is what I was looking for |
| 20:05.42 | NotJimCarrey | thanks ompaul, i had searched, but found too many different answers |
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| 20:07.17 | tremon | NotJimCarrey: I wouldn't go by that answer either. "run your linux distro from a fat32 partition... you'll increase the copying speed" wtf? |
| 20:07.31 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 20:07.39 | NotJimCarrey | typed before i read |
| 20:07.47 | |zzy | Hm... it's still giving the "was configured to be install in '/usr/share/codeblocks' error |
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| 20:07.52 | |zzy | after remove/purge/install |
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| 20:08.44 | mumpitzel | NotJimCarrey: it speeds up at first due to cache. |
| 20:08.47 | babilen | |zzy: What is the *exact* error? Did you remove files manually earlier? Could you paste your commands and their output to http://paste.debian.net and give us the URL? |
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| 20:08.57 | Lorcatar | Is there a way I can download the debian docs so I can view them locally on my laptop? |
| 20:08.58 | tremon | NotJimCarrey: however, it's possibly just a consequence of your usb disk being slow. Linux does a great job of buffering writes, but if the underlying medium is slow, you will perceive it as "being fast at first, then slows down to a crawl" |
| 20:09.10 | Elemeno-work | wow, Why have I never taken advantage of aliases until now |
| 20:09.15 | NotJimCarrey | tremon: makes sense |
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| 20:09.56 | tremon | NotJimCarrey: if you interrupt cp, what probably happens is that linux keeps on writing to the disk (thus freeing up buffers), which means that if you restart cp it will seem to go faster at first |
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| 20:10.24 | NotJimCarrey | yeah, i wasn't taking cache into consideration |
| 20:10.25 | |zzy | http://paste.debian.net/67239 |
| 20:10.46 | ompaul | |zzy: not the best plan every made |
| 20:10.55 | |zzy | lol |
| 20:11.00 | |zzy | haha |
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| 20:11.23 | hplc | out of curiousity i'd like to run a "flight recorder", i want someting like "tcpdump -alpo" tee "on-the-fly cd-burning", then the logs cant disappear from the cd-r disc, how would that command look like? |
| 20:11.26 | tremon | NotJimCarrey: it quite easy to test though; interrupt cp, and immediately run sync, thereby flushing all buffers. If sync takes a long time to complete, it's just buffers biting you. If sync returns immediately, something else might be going on |
| 20:11.48 | OptimizedCoder | I'm not stupid, but what kind of init does debian testing use? I just need to autostart a service on startup |
| 20:11.56 | |zzy | ompaul: I assumed all codeblock generated files and directories could be recreated |
| 20:12.14 | ompaul | |zzy: /usr/share is part of the installed package |
| 20:12.14 | NotJimCarrey | tremon: yup, it's "something else" |
| 20:12.27 | |zzy | ompaul: I did that after removing it |
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| 20:12.39 | |zzy | ompaul: with apt-get remove I mean |
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| 20:12.56 | ompaul | that shouldn't have been left behind in /usr |
| 20:13.09 | ompaul | no harm |
| 20:13.13 | tremon | OptimizedCoder: whatever you install, or sysvinit by default. see man update-rc.d |
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| 20:13.42 | OptimizedCoder | tremon, ok thx - let me look it up |
| 20:13.57 | |zzy | ompaul: In Windows I would now use a registry cleaner. I've tried looking for any codeblock stuff in set |
| 20:15.12 | ompaul | |zzy: debian and the various desktop environments or window managers are almost nothing like a windows environment |
| 20:15.13 | tremon | NotJimCarrey: it can be many things then. Either linux is being stupid (I/O performance isn't really linux' strongest suit), or your disk may be faulty. I could also be that your usb hub is underpowered which might affect throughput |
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| 20:15.44 | ompaul | |zzy: the exact combination may be interesting :) |
| 20:16.29 | NotJimCarrey | tremon: using port, not hub. it's probably a vfat issue |
| 20:16.44 | ompaul | arthurfiggis: you may not be aware but you can signal your nick and pass to the nickserv before you hit the channel so you don't look like you join and part to change host to only log on again (at least with most sane clients) |
| 20:16.46 | |zzy | ompaul: I'm using xfce if that's what you mean |
| 20:16.57 | ompaul | |zzy: exactly what I mean |
| 20:17.09 | |zzy | and 7.2 |
| 20:17.15 | blackdesire | anybody can tell me if If set up dns server .. behind the router .. I should use real ip on config file or the local ip of server |
| 20:17.25 | ompaul | |zzy: 7.2 what? |
| 20:17.30 | tremon | NotJimCarrey: your internal usb ports have an internal root hub though. But yes, could be vfat issue. Test by reformatiing it as ext3 or ext4 and retry ;) |
| 20:17.38 | |zzy | ompaul: Debian 7.2 |
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| 20:18.00 | ompaul | |zzy: sorry I must have been asleep the last couple of days / weeks |
| 20:18.05 | arthurfiggis | ompaul: ah...thanks? :) i usually just send the identify myself before i join so i didn't see that anything was amiss |
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| 20:18.10 | |zzy | :) |
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| 20:18.44 | ompaul | arthurfiggis: usually *rc files are good or if a gui client ... then edit your log on :) |
| 20:19.01 | user | testing |
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| 20:19.06 | ompaul | failed |
| 20:19.15 | user | thanks ompaul |
| 20:19.19 | ompaul | :) yw |
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| 20:19.42 | ompaul | buries the sense of irony for the evening |
| 20:19.44 | hplc | out of curiousity i'd like to run a "flight recorder", i want someting like "tcpdump -alpo" tee "on-the-fly cd-burning", then the logs cant disappear from the cd-r disc, how would that command look like? |
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| 20:21.20 | zerooneone | i'm working on creating my own package from deb source for ruby 1.9.1 and i'm confused about how to enable a user flag like --enable-shared |
| 20:21.31 | |zzy | ompaul: Do you know how I can clean up every trace of code::block? |
| 20:21.44 | ompaul | hplc: there are saner ways you would not be fixating the disk if you did that cdroms are very slow as media go drop it to disk and | tee -a foo.log |
| 20:21.50 | |zzy | ompaul: Or is it wrong to assume it would work after that? |
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| 20:22.07 | zerooneone | i'm editing ruby1.9.1-1.9.3.0/debian/rules and not sure if this means it's enabled DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS += --enable-shared here's a pastebin http://paste.debian.net/67240/ |
| 20:22.14 | ompaul | |zzy: it is wrong to assume given what you did - you should reainstall and it most likely will be happy |
| 20:22.30 | |zzy | ompaul: I've tried that |
| 20:22.38 | ompaul | |zzy: this is based on the assumption that you didn't do anything else crazy with root |
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| 20:22.52 | ompaul | arthurfiggis: :-) that worked |
| 20:23.11 | blackdesire | any bind specialist here ? |
| 20:23.12 | blackdesire | :) |
| 20:23.21 | ompaul | |zzy: how much did you do on that box as root? did you run file managers with it> |
| 20:23.22 | ompaul | ? |
| 20:23.42 | ompaul | blackdesire: ask your real question and someone will decide if they are a specialest for it |
| 20:23.45 | arthurfiggis | ompaul: that's good then, thanks :) fortunately chatzilla doesn't take much effort to configure |
| 20:23.55 | |zzy | ompaul: Been avoiding it, but sometimes after I apt-get installed something, I would run it from the root term |
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| 20:24.18 | ompaul | |zzy: how many hours has this system been alive? |
| 20:24.48 | |zzy | ompaul: just a couple of days |
| 20:24.51 | blackdesire | ompaul i just asked before my question , but i can repeat it no problem |
| 20:24.57 | |zzy | ompaul: Wouldn't mind reinstalling or using another ide I guess. |
| 20:25.33 | |zzy | ompaul: Reinstalling debian that is. But something tells me I should try to understand all of what went wrong. |
| 20:25.50 | blackdesire | I trying to set up a dns box on my local network ( local ip ) and I forward the port 53 to to the box .. but is not working .. |
| 20:26.01 | ompaul | |zzy: what I would do because I can't establish how much damage was done running ordinary programs as root is reinstall, this is my own idea, it may be that you caused a lot of problems or none, but I wouldn't take it as read you will not fall foul of something sooner or later |
| 20:26.13 | ompaul | |zzy: no, over time doing it right is better |
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| 20:26.25 | blackdesire | my question is that I should set up the real ip ( from router) on the zone or the local ip |
| 20:26.30 | ompaul | |zzy: basically it comes down to this you break all sorts of permissions if you get it wrong |
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| 20:27.06 | tremon | hplc: wodim might be able to do what you want, but you shouldn't really want it. One reason is that cdr writing requires a steady stream of data, and network packets don't do steady in general. |
| 20:27.10 | ompaul | blackdesire: what or who is being served by this dns? |
| 20:27.31 | |zzy | ompaul: So I can break stuff by running it as root and by removing stuff from /usr/share/, etc. ? |
| 20:27.34 | ompaul | |zzy: we can't establish what is working or broken but it seems some things are broken |
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| 20:28.00 | ompaul | |zzy: not that simple, but you shouldn't be running anything other than system config stuff as root |
| 20:28.22 | magyar | hi. how can I diff two files but view only lines that do not exist, instead of line by line diff? |
| 20:28.26 | blackdesire | ompaul I want that I can find my box anywhere from internet |
| 20:28.28 | user | just installed debian and trying to get XCFE4 to run with my non standard video card. i noticed XCFE runs in fallback mode from the live image. and wondering if I can pass certain parameters to the installed linux to run XCFE4 in "vga=normal?" mode? |
| 20:28.30 | ompaul | |zzy: do a clean install join irc and ask when you want to do stuff if you are unsure, if you don't guess and get the right advice you won't learn how to breaking |
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| 20:29.06 | ompaul | blackdesire: where does this box reside on a home network? |
| 20:29.22 | blackdesire | behind the router |
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| 20:29.36 | ompaul | blackdesire: so do you have a static ip? |
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| 20:29.41 | blackdesire | yes |
| 20:29.46 | ompaul | blackdesire: on the outside of the router? |
| 20:30.02 | blackdesire | router=real ip |
| 20:30.09 | blackdesire | is the gateway |
| 20:30.12 | tremon | magyar: what are "lines that do not exist"? |
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| 20:30.37 | blackdesire | linux box is behind the router with local ip 192.168.0.100 |
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| 20:30.56 | hplc | my ordinary user hasnt the right to sudo, and root login is not working, how to solve this? |
| 20:31.25 | ompaul | blackdesire: (cloud that is internet)-----isp ----- |this side has a static ip??? router ----|----192.168.0.0/24 ? |
| 20:31.28 | rozie | hi, question about bug reports. There is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727715 I would like change the package against it is flied? How can I do this? |
| 20:31.29 | magyar | tremon: same lines could be displaced in the files but they are the same so in one file the line is 15 in the other file same line is at 17 |
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| 20:31.47 | gnarface | FUCK YOU ALL |
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| 20:31.54 | blackdesire | ompaul yes |
| 20:32.04 | rozie | blackdesire: use no-ip.biz and ddclient |
| 20:32.06 | ompaul | blackdesire: so you can find it using that ip |
| 20:32.08 | tremon | !tell hplc about forgot root password |
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| 20:32.28 | user | just installed debian and trying to get XCFE4 to run with my non standard video card. i noticed XCFE runs in fallback mode from the live image. and wondering if I can pass certain parameters to the installed linux to run XCFE4 in "vga=normal?" mode? |
| 20:32.30 | zerooneone | i just want to change a compile option in debian source so i can make a package with ruby --enable-shared |
| 20:32.40 | blackdesire | ompaul yes I can find it , but I need also dns resolution |
| 20:32.43 | hplc | tremon: i didnt forget it, root login just wont work |
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| 20:32.48 | zerooneone | the debian/rules file is quite complicated |
| 20:32.55 | ompaul | blackdesire: for a domain you have? |
| 20:33.02 | |zzy | haha @gnarface |
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| 20:33.20 | blackdesire | ompaul yes I have also my own domain name |
| 20:33.22 | rozie | hplc: run any liveCD, chroot, fix, voila |
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| 20:33.28 | hplc | pl |
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| 20:33.47 | tremon | hplc: the effect is the same, or not? you have no way to access the root account? |
| 20:33.51 | |zzy | ompaul: Turned out removing and autoremoving and purging and reinstalling made code::block run again! |
| 20:33.55 | blackdesire | I want to set up the domain name to be on the that ip |
| 20:34.08 | blackdesire | domain->ip |
| 20:34.11 | hplc | tremon: correct |
| 20:34.14 | rozie | blackdesire: and the problem is? |
| 20:34.18 | |zzy | ompaul: Thanks for the support |
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| 20:34.56 | blackdesire | rozie the issue is that I am not sure why is not working .. I set up the domain/zone to point to the real ip |
| 20:34.58 | ompaul | blackdesire: usually - you log onto the machine that the person who gave you the domain name and you tell it your dns points to that ip |
| 20:35.17 | blackdesire | ompaul yes I did that |
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| 20:35.26 | ompaul | blackdesire: and can you navigate to it? |
| 20:35.37 | blackdesire | domain is set up to point to that ip |
| 20:35.37 | ompaul | blackdesire: from elsewhere |
| 20:35.43 | user | can someone help with my question? |
| 20:35.47 | blackdesire | ompaul nope |
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| 20:35.50 | user | just installed debian and trying to get XCFE4 to run with my non standard video card. i noticed XCFE runs in fallback mode from the live image. and wondering if I can pass certain parameters to the installed linux to run XCFE4 in "vga=normal?" mode? |
| 20:35.52 | blackdesire | that is the issue |
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| 20:36.10 | tremon | magyar: I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're asking for. Diff is a tool that analyses two files and tries to find matching segments. If you want to only know if line 10 in one file is the same as line 10 in a second file, diff isn't the tool for it |
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| 20:37.00 | ompaul | blackdesire: your problem is not DNS it is with port forwarding on your router |
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| 20:37.23 | ompaul | blackdesire: based on you being 100% accurate with your problem description |
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| 20:37.37 | blackdesire | ompaul the port is open |
| 20:37.39 | addaitech | can someone help me with some alternative repos to use in my sources.list, i keep getting errors on some of them |
| 20:37.44 | blackdesire | is making the forward .. |
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| 20:37.50 | blackdesire | but the issue is on bind config |
| 20:37.54 | ompaul | blackdesire: then you should be able to touch the box |
| 20:37.55 | blackdesire | is giving me fault |
| 20:38.06 | ompaul | blackdesire: can you touch the box by ip from remote? |
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| 20:38.15 | blackdesire | ompaul yes |
| 20:38.37 | user | i mean xfce4 by the way |
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| 20:39.00 | liuw | Hi all. I'm trying to automate debian installation with d-i. Everything works fine except for one thing, it always ask if I want to scan another CD / DVD. I've tried to set apt-setup/another apt-setup/cd/another to false but they didn't work. What's the current option in preseed file to stop this behavior? |
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| 20:39.19 | ompaul | blackdesire: you told your domain provider via their plesk or whatever that you have IP X.X.X.X and that is where the name server lives? |
| 20:39.33 | blackdesire | yes |
| 20:39.53 | blackdesire | but also you need to run the bind server inside the box |
| 20:39.54 | zerooneone | specifically i'm wondering what the += in "DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS +=" means in debian/rules file |
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| 20:40.01 | blackdesire | to serve for the dns request |
| 20:40.06 | blackdesire | and here is the issue |
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| 20:40.48 | rozie | blackdesire: you have bind behind NAT? |
| 20:40.54 | blackdesire | yes |
| 20:41.01 | ompaul | rozie: with supposed port forwarding in place |
| 20:41.15 | rozie | so you need to forward DNS requests too |
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| 20:41.39 | blackdesire | i forward request from 53 port |
| 20:41.43 | blackdesire | to linux box |
| 20:41.51 | rozie | can you prove it works? |
| 20:41.55 | blackdesire | but in linux box I set up domain=real ip |
| 20:42.11 | blackdesire | and I believe is a loop |
| 20:42.18 | rozie | like tcpdump |
| 20:42.27 | rozie | rather no routing |
| 20:42.27 | blackdesire | linux box is asking the router |
| 20:42.37 | blackdesire | router is asking the linux box |
| 20:42.48 | ompaul | blackdesire: and what does the linux box say? |
| 20:43.00 | rozie | on box behind router you can use /etc/hosts and add entries with private addresses |
| 20:43.07 | zerick | , |
| 20:43.16 | blackdesire | serverfail |
| 20:43.22 | ompaul | blackdesire: install tcpdump and run it against the eth that has the dns on it |
| 20:44.53 | tremon | zerooneone: http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Appending.html#Appending |
| 20:45.04 | ompaul | blackdesire: based on the idea that your bind is ok and your first port forward is good then this suggests that you have a connectivity problem - so tcpdump will help you see the actual failure http://www.process.com/techsupport/multinet/787/44.html |
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| 20:46.06 | ompaul | blackdesire: perhaps you can send data in -> and it hits the server but you can't get it out and maybe your isp doesn't let |
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| 20:46.39 | ompaul | blackdesire: you do your own dns or other services but I don't know what your isp ts and cs claim you should or should not do |
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| 20:47.38 | blackdesire | ompaul i did this settings on centos .. |
| 20:47.46 | blackdesire | now is not working at all on debian |
| 20:47.52 | blackdesire | it was working |
| 20:48.15 | blackdesire | 20 day ago I change the OS i choose debian |
| 20:48.29 | zerick | How could I have on my channel the same "dpkg" bot of this channel ? :( |
| 20:48.36 | blackdesire | and is not working anymore |
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| 20:49.12 | ompaul | blackdesire: did you do any firewalling on the debian box |
| 20:49.19 | zerick | !windows |
| 20:49.20 | dpkg | "PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:49.28 | zerick | XD |
| 20:49.30 | zerick | nice |
| 20:49.30 | blackdesire | ompaul nope I disable it |
| 20:49.37 | blackdesire | clear the rules |
| 20:49.40 | blackdesire | flush |
| 20:49.52 | ompaul | blackdesire: eh there were rules when you installed it? |
| 20:50.15 | petn-randall | zerick: you can query the bot, like this: /query dpkg |
| 20:50.17 | tremon | blackdesire: if you flush tables, make sure the default policy is accept |
| 20:50.17 | blackdesire | ompaul nope I was using clean version of debian |
| 20:50.30 | blackdesire | no rules |
| 20:50.32 | ompaul | so why did you flush none existent rules |
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| 20:50.38 | blackdesire | to be sure |
| 20:50.42 | ompaul | thinks something doesn't make sense |
| 20:50.42 | blackdesire | I try it |
| 20:50.45 | tremon | only thing I can think of is to check bind isn't listening on loopback only |
| 20:50.52 | dondelelcaro | blackdesire: lets back up here; are you trying to serve DNS from your Debian machine? Or have something else resolve to your Debian machine? |
| 20:51.18 | ompaul | dondelelcaro: best question this evening! |
| 20:51.31 | blackdesire | dondelelcaro I am trying to run one dns server on debian box |
| 20:51.54 | dondelelcaro | blackdesire: OK, so you want some domain name to be resolved using the DNS server on that Debian machine? |
| 20:52.08 | blackdesire | dondelelcaro yes that is right |
| 20:52.26 | dondelelcaro | blackdesire: OK. Does dig @localhost thatdomainname.com; work when you're on the Debian machine? |
| 20:52.30 | dondelelcaro | blackdesire: what domain name is this? |
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| 20:52.53 | Dan9311 | gnarface: Do I use portmap or rpcbind with NFS ? |
| 20:52.54 | blackdesire | dondelelcaro is giving me serverfail |
| 20:53.01 | blackdesire | not replying |
| 20:53.08 | rozie | blackdesire: why don't you use some public free DNS servers? |
| 20:53.15 | rozie | like he.net ones |
| 20:53.15 | dondelelcaro | blackdesire: well, there's your problem. |
| 20:53.35 | blackdesire | rozie i need that domain for some application |
| 20:53.42 | dondelelcaro | blackdesire: you don't have bind (or whatever you're using to do that) set up properly. |
| 20:53.55 | dondelelcaro | blackdesire: you should probably just have your registrar resolve the name for the time being |
| 20:53.56 | blackdesire | dondelelcaro yes I believe also |
| 20:54.00 | GentileBen | blackdesire: your nick sounds strangely sensual. |
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| 20:54.30 | blackdesire | my question was if I need to set up in my bind file the real ip or the local ip |
| 20:54.36 | blackdesire | to point to my domain |
| 20:54.42 | ompaul | the real |
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| 20:54.47 | dondelelcaro | blackdesire: you need to have it point to the external IP. |
| 20:54.56 | blackdesire | I did like that .. |
| 20:55.00 | dondelelcaro | (which you're calling the real IP, for some reason) |
| 20:55.03 | ompaul | thinks you should know that from your centos |
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| 20:55.28 | Dan9311 | Does anyone know a good guide for setting up a NFS server ? |
| 20:55.35 | blackdesire | yes .. external ip |
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| 20:57.39 | blackdesire | I did now one nslookup ... and I see that is querying the router .. |
| 20:57.44 | blackdesire | not himself ... |
| 20:57.47 | OptimizedCoder | I'm on Debain testing x64 - what is the easiest way for me (an user) to have superuser privileges (ie. this user should not have to use sudo). I"ve added a list under /etc/sudoers.d, but htis isn't helping |
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| 20:58.52 | ompaul | Dan9311: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/squeeze/sect.nfs-file-server.html |
| 20:59.18 | blackdesire | even that bind is started is not making query to himself .. |
| 20:59.18 | OptimizedCoder | In debian (testing), do we use the /etc/sudoers file or not? or is it overridden if a file exists under /etc/sudoers.d? |
| 21:00.29 | tremon | OptimizedCoder: there's no such thing as superuser privileges. Either you are root (superuser) or you're not. If you want users to be able to administer some config files, you need to use group permissions. Or use sudo |
| 21:00.48 | tremon | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.36 | ompaul | blackdesire: check this out http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/sect.domain-name-servers.html |
| 21:01.44 | tremon | if possible you shouldn't edit /etc/sudoers itself because it is a package file, the recommended way is to your own files to /etc/sudoers.d |
| 21:01.58 | blackdesire | ompaul I will check it , thank you |
| 21:02.01 | tremon | *put* your own files in... |
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| 21:03.05 | blackdesire | I delete from /etc/resolv.conf the nameserver |
| 21:03.18 | RickyB98 | i know this is COMPLETELY off-topic.. but.... does anyone play minecraft? xD don't tell me to go to '#minecraft' |
| 21:03.20 | blackdesire | now the dig and nslookup is working fine |
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| 21:03.35 | tremon | RickyB98: go to #debian-offtopic ;) |
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| 21:03.57 | RickyB98 | cool |
| 21:03.58 | RickyB98 | :D |
| 21:04.07 | RickyB98 | is there #ubuntu-offtopic too? |
| 21:04.07 | RickyB98 | xD |
| 21:04.18 | RickyB98 | yes! |
| 21:04.18 | RickyB98 | xD |
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| 21:04.43 | GentileBen | RickyB98, #debian-offtopic is #ubuntu |
| 21:04.50 | GentileBen | And #ubuntu-offtopic is #mint |
| 21:04.53 | GentileBen | >_> |
| 21:04.55 | GentileBen | <_< |
| 21:05.09 | babilen | Okay, enough jokes. Lets get back to support. Thanks :) |
| 21:05.17 | babilen | (or take it to #debian-offtopic) |
| 21:05.18 | ompaul | user https://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 21:05.19 | GentileBen | RickyB98, Minecraft sucks. |
| 21:05.25 | GentileBen | ompaul 2012! |
| 21:05.39 | RickyB98 | lol |
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| 21:13.32 | Skaag | what's a good incremental backup solution that supports home directories? |
| 21:13.59 | ompaul | Skaag: rsnapshot which is a perl script that acts on rsync |
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| 21:15.09 | zerooneone | ok thanks tremon |
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| 21:15.35 | Skaag | thanks ompaul, sounds good |
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| 21:15.52 | Skaag | I like rsync based solutions, they are usually pretty robust (due to rsync being totally awesome) |
| 21:15.55 | Skaag | :-) |
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| 21:18.23 | babilen | Skaag: I personally very much like dirvish .. backuppc is another tool to look into, but a bit tricky if you don't have constantly connected media |
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| 21:19.23 | babilen | I prefer dirvish over rsnapshot as the latter starts to behave rather erratically if you miss a backup every now and then (it essentially simply cycles backups and has no *real* notion of dailies, weeklies, monthlies, ...) |
| 21:19.31 | ompaul | babilen: consider a binary object that may have a difference of some small % on a day by day basis do you know of something that would deal with capturing that difference |
| 21:20.03 | ompaul | babilen: the problem is that the binary object is currently around 25G and liable to grown |
| 21:20.08 | ompaul | babilen: grow |
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| 21:21.16 | ompaul | if there was such a magical beast I'd be happy enough to use it |
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| 21:21.46 | babilen | ompaul: I've seen a lot of per-file deduplication (backuppc does this) |
| 21:22.17 | babilen | And something in my brain tells me that it heard your usecase before, but I can't quite recall it. I let you know once I remembered it. |
| 21:22.21 | ompaul | babilen: I'll give it a poke it may be useful |
| 21:22.27 | ompaul | babilen: thanks |
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| 21:23.51 | tremon | also check out xdelta |
| 21:24.17 | babilen | ompaul: Take a look at the tools listed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_deduplication -- https://github.com/apenwarr/bup might have been what I was thinking of |
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| 21:24.49 | ompaul | babilen: sent to the office for monday morning I'll crash really soon |
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| 21:27.34 | ompaul | babilen: actually that data deduplication I'd not seen used in that context before |
| 21:27.34 | ompaul | thanks |
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| 21:33.33 | knadyy | damn this girl has a nice pussy http://instaflurt.com/yuribalbin/ |
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| 21:34.48 | lns | lol... "damn this girl has a nice big toe" (please don't kick me, i couldn't resist) |
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| 21:39.12 | forcer | rolls his eyes. |
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| 21:42.17 | Skaag | babilen, thanks, looking into dirvish now as well. rsnapshot's config file seems pretty straightforward. |
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| 21:44.27 | babilen | Skaag: Trust me, rsnapshot *will* bite you if you might miss backups. dirvish is straightforward and nice to use and I am quite happy (for personal backups, for anything more I'd look into backuppc and amanda) |
| 21:45.41 | Skaag | I just need it to do daily, weekly and monthly, for all my home directories on a server |
| 21:45.57 | Skaag | I wish there was something similar for mysql databases (incremental) |
| 21:46.00 | Skaag | maybe there is |
| 21:46.02 | Skaag | googles |
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| 21:48.11 | babilen | Skaag: To what kind of media will you backup to? Do you want browsable backups? Will you backup to remote hosts? |
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| 21:48.33 | Skaag | a secondary drive on the sata bus |
| 21:49.04 | Skaag | I plan to automatically generate links for users from their home dirs |
| 21:49.26 | Skaag | for example: /home/joe/snapshots -> /mnt/backups/snapshots/joe/ |
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| 21:50.50 | babilen | Skaag: So something like a "Yesterday" link that links to the last daily? |
| 21:51.22 | babilen | Skaag: Either way, I am being called away: take a look at the tools I mentioned as they span a pretty wide variety of approaches and "enterprisy-ness" |
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| 21:51.54 | babilen | Skaag: But if you want browsable backups then you might like dirvish |
| 21:51.59 | babilen | all the best :) |
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| 21:57.48 | mo1991 | I am trying out whonix ( a debian based virtual machine) using virtualbox and I notice that my mouse is glitchy for the workstation (2vm's running gateway and workstation). Does this mean I need to add more ram to this virtual machine? Its currently the default 768 mb ram |
| 21:58.11 | mo1991 | or has anyone else had this issue with virtualbox? Running it with Wheezy |
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| 21:59.13 | pha | I have a problem where when I type 'wget -q http://www.test.com/update_script.php?abcdef=1 > /dev/null 2>&1' it's leaving the file 'update_script.php?abcdef=1' & 'update_script.php?abcdef=1.1' , 1.2, and so on in the folder I have ran it from. |
| 21:59.25 | pha | However the files themselves contain nothing... any ideas as to why this is happening? |
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| 21:59.49 | huw_ | should Debian 7.2 work as a guest OS in virtualbox? |
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| 22:00.26 | bezaban | it should |
| 22:01.03 | huw_ | bezaban: thanks. it just hangs on the install menu for me |
| 22:01.10 | huw_ | any idea how to troubleshoot? |
| 22:01.34 | bezaban | what architecture is this? |
| 22:01.39 | bezaban | I've had some issues iircc |
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| 22:01.50 | bezaban | but been a while |
| 22:02.00 | bezaban | amd64? |
| 22:02.08 | huw_ | it's amd64 debian on an amd64 host |
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| 22:02.24 | huw_ | i can navigate the install menu, but as soon as i select install it just hangs |
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| 22:02.31 | bezaban | there is a vague bell ringning :s but this was in vmware |
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| 22:03.05 | bezaban | can't remember, sorry. But it was solvable |
| 22:03.16 | huw_ | ok, i'll keep looking on the web. thanks |
| 22:03.27 | bezaban | I think I had the same symptom |
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| 22:07.03 | pha | bezaban: have you enabled hardware virtualization in the hosts bios? |
| 22:07.47 | bezaban | pha: yeah, I got this sorted with a new iso I think |
| 22:07.53 | bezaban | it's esxi |
| 22:07.57 | pha | bezaban: would also check in the SVC log and see the last step it failed at. |
| 22:09.10 | huw_ | ah. tried expert install and got a message that the system is i686 and i'm trying to run amd64 |
| 22:09.54 | bezaban | there you go |
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| 22:09.59 | pha | :) |
| 22:10.19 | huw_ | not sure how to fix that. the host is amd64. why can't i set the machine to be amd64 also? |
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| 22:11.17 | bezaban | well, you're at mercy at what hardware your virtualization software can present to the guest |
| 22:11.28 | bezaban | not sure about the details with virtualbox |
| 22:11.33 | bezaban | try #virtualbox :) |
| 22:11.45 | huw_ | there's a chance that it only supports i686? |
| 22:11.50 | pha | sorry bezaban, i'm typing your name... heh |
| 22:12.03 | kroosec | I have "No kernel modules were found" problem during installation of testing. I downloaded debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:12.05 | bezaban | hehe, no worries, I had that problem too :P |
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| 22:12.44 | kroosec | Installation obviously fails without kernel modules. Any hint on how to solve this ? |
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| 22:13.17 | tremon | don't use the testing installer, just use wheezy's installer |
| 22:13.42 | pha | huw_: http://hereirestinremorse.wordpress.com/virtualbox/this-kernel-requires-an-x86-64-cpu-but-only-detected-an-i686-cpu-unable-to-boot-please-use-a-kernel-appropriate-for-your-cpu/ |
| 22:13.47 | pha | there's the fix most likely. |
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| 22:14.55 | pha | and if that's not the right solution I would try #vbox |
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| 22:17.40 | huw_ | pha: thank you very much! |
| 22:18.02 | huw_ | i'm sure it must be enabled because i've used virtualbox before, a couple of years ago. but i'll try again |
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| 22:20.31 | pha | everything I looked at seemed to point to the same thing... if not though, those guys are the creators/developers so they will certainly know what's up. |
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| 22:20.43 | huw_ | ok thanks mate, i appreciate it |
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| 22:21.04 | pha | huw_: no worries, my pleasure bud. |
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| 22:24.13 | huw_ | i386 version worked |
| 22:24.28 | huw_ | i probably needed to reboot after installing vbox, but whatever, it's working now |
| 22:25.25 | huw_ | the irony is i'm doing this to follow a study guide for LPIC-1. i'm on chapter 2. installing VMs is probably chapter 15 or something :D |
| 22:25.38 | pha | that's good :) but I seen in the comments -> "hey it worked perfectly well for me. I was really confused as I had already enabled hardware virtualization and still it was throwing me the error" .. etc. |
| 22:25.51 | huw_ | yeah |
| 22:26.00 | pha | the comments were better than the actual solution, as it was others saying how they fixed it etc from the back of that error. |
| 22:26.07 | huw_ | i don't really mind, as long as it's working. it's only step 1 on a long road |
| 22:26.42 | pha | heh huw_, we don't learn until we make mistakes. |
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| 22:26.51 | huw_ | true enough! |
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| 22:29.31 | zerooneone | does dpkg --purge <pkg> also include remove? in other words remove is a subset of purge, right? |
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| 22:29.47 | tremon | yes |
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| 22:31.01 | zerooneone | excellent news |
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| 22:32.44 | aloiece | ok sorry to bother multiple people with this same subject over and over again: but I'll be purchasing a new lap top for gigging and recording, and I'm looking for 0 drop outs and 0 latency as I'll be performing live. I kind of need to be as sure as can be that the model I'm looking at will work with debian/ubuntu, and jack and everything that comes with it. anyone know about that sort of thing? |
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| 22:34.50 | tremon | I would never use a laptop for that kind of thing, because dynamic frequency scaling does not blend well with low-latency applications. Get yourself a harddisk recorder |
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| 22:35.00 | bezaban | is the affs kernel module in debian by default or would I need to compile it? |
| 22:35.13 | zerooneone | zoom recorders are pretty ok for that |
| 22:35.17 | bezaban | I have a friend who wants to access an amiga HD |
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| 22:35.37 | bezaban | but the IDE bus might not be standard |
| 22:35.44 | bezaban | interface* |
| 22:35.44 | arthurfiggis | aloiece: well, i do know that even with real-time kernels and distributions oriented toward multimedia it was still impossible to achieve zero latency :( very low latency, granted, but eventually what you really want is a hardware solution of some sort |
| 22:35.49 | JasonWoof | what's it called when programs like aptitude bork my mouse in the terminal? And how do I disable that? (So the mouse always just selects, like in mutt, bash, etc) |
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| 22:36.15 | JasonWoof | I never want terminal-based programs to get mouse clicks |
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| 22:36.40 | JasonWoof | I want to stop swearing every time I try to eg select a url in aptitude |
| 22:36.57 | JasonWoof | I know I can hold down shift, and I wish I didn't have to |
| 22:37.45 | aloiece | arthurfiggis: below 2ms? |
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| 22:37.48 | tremon | it's not aptitude doing that, it's your terminal application. |
| 22:37.49 | aloiece | ok again |
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| 22:38.28 | aloiece | arthurfiggis: from what you know, is below 2ms latency a possibillity with the right hardware and a realtime kerne;? |
| 22:38.40 | JasonWoof | oh, I'm using urxvt-256-unicode. I'm looking for a settting or hack for that |
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| 22:39.48 | arthurfiggis | aloiece: it may be possible! i can't say that i'm an expert, i've just been using midi keyboards with linux in one form or another for a while :) but e.g. in debian wheezy currently, qjackctl is calculating jack's latency to be at something like 42ms on my quad-core 1.8 laptop |
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| 22:40.41 | arthurfiggis | aloiece: i can get it lower than that if i dramatically lower the sample rate or things like that, but then you dramatically lower the quality too :( with rt kernels you can get closer to what you're hoping for...i've never seen anything below 10-12ms in linux to be honest, but that doesn't mean it's out of the question! |
| 22:41.05 | tremon | JasonWoof: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Rxvt-unicode#Clickable_URLs seems to suggest that it's not standard behaviour, but can be enabled. So you should be able to disable it as well |
| 22:41.08 | aloiece | what do you mean lower the quality, as long as you don't get dropouts the quality remains, doesntit? |
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| 22:41.55 | aloiece | arthurfiggis |
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| 22:42.57 | arthurfiggis | aloiece: oh, i mean the sound quality itself :) if your sample rate is 48000hz for example...that's very good quality but it requires a lot of memory and cpu to process it, and to process it at realtime needs even more...at something like 22050hz it doesn't need nearly as much hardware power to deal with, but it's also not studio quality...more like FM radio |
| 22:43.22 | JasonWoof | tremon: interesting, but I want to be able to select text with the left-mouse button without ever have to hold shift. |
| 22:43.58 | arthurfiggis | aloiece: (that number basically means how many times per second a "sample" of audio is recorded...so the higher the number the more samples per second, so the more "detail") |
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| 22:44.53 | aloiece | arthurfiggis. Unfortunately I don't know the theory exactly, but: in my experience when I select a higher sample rate, I get lower latency |
| 22:45.04 | tremon | JasonWoof: I don't use urxvt myself. You'll have to do some digging, I guess |
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| 22:45.57 | JasonWoof | tremon: yeah. Digging is going slowly, because I don't know what the feature that I'm trying to disable is called. |
| 22:46.02 | JasonWoof | hence my first questien |
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| 22:46.49 | tremon | JasonWoof: probably some combination of "clickable url" and "disable" ;) |
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| 22:47.13 | JasonWoof | tremon: why do you keep talking about clickable urs? I don't want clicable urs. I want to be able to select text with left-mouse |
| 22:47.15 | arthurfiggis | aloiece: hmm...i would think it'd be the other way around if anything, that's interesting :) i have no idea why that would be the case, but if that's so, what you probably want is a distro with realtime kernel patches pre-applied, jackd of course, and i guess in your case you'd set the sample rate higher rather than lower? :) |
| 22:47.37 | JasonWoof | rxvt README.FAQ seems to call the thing I hate "mouse reporting" |
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| 22:48.15 | tremon | JasonWoof: from your first question, I assumed that your mouse selection was failing because urxvt was responding to your mouse clicks by opening a browser window |
| 22:48.25 | tremon | if that's not what you meant, just ignore me ;) |
| 22:48.49 | JasonWoof | tremon: no, it's curses based programs like aptitude that disable left-click completely |
| 22:48.56 | JasonWoof | tremon: except if you click a "tab" or something |
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| 22:49.07 | JasonWoof | I (now) think this is called "mouse reporting" |
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| 22:49.20 | tremon | ah, now I get it |
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| 22:49.33 | tremon | I just never ever use ncurses ;) |
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| 22:50.45 | aloiece | or what it comes down to, I'd like to run up to 96khz 24 bit onboard with the lowest possible latency |
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| 22:51.47 | tremon | JasonWoof: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11301883/c-using-ncurses-to-capture-mouse-clicks-on-a-console-application seems to suggest it's called "mouse capture" |
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| 22:52.01 | tremon | not really an authoritative source, though |
| 22:52.09 | arthurfiggis | aloiece: wow...well that's far above and beyond anything that i've set up myself to be honest, but the good thing about this channel is that if you're trying to get it done in debian and you stick around long enough, someone around will know how to do it :) for that matter the "calculator" in qjackctl reporting the latency in my case might not be correct, it could be higher or lower |
| 22:52.30 | JasonWoof | tremon: it's mostly aptitude for me |
| 22:52.40 | JasonWoof | vim and less don't use curses it seems |
| 22:53.00 | arthurfiggis | aloiece: the best thing to do is to give something a try on a livecd when you go to buy the laptop :) or even a few different ones to see if there's a difference between the rt kernel and a vanilla one |
| 22:53.13 | JasonWoof | tremon: cool, thanks. I'll try "mouse capture" shortly if my hunt for "mouse reporting" doesn't yield fruit |
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| 22:53.29 | Sheco | I am using a preseed for debian-installer, but I can't skip the network interface question (I use two network interfaces). How can I preseed which interface to pick? |
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| 22:53.53 | aloiece | arthurfiggis so buying online isn't such a great idea |
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| 22:54.05 | Sheco | (I've tried netcfg/choose_interface) |
| 22:55.19 | arthurfiggis | aloiece: well not necessarily, you just need to know a bit more about the hardware...but it sounds like you probably know a fair amount about it, more than i do anyway ;) i buy parts online and build systems usually, except for this laptop, it's just nice to be able to stick in a live cd and see if it boots, supports all your hardware...faster than doing all the research anyway |
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| 22:55.21 | tremon | Sheco: I'm using interface=bootif for that (kernel parameter) which should work, but I don't think I've ever used it on a machine with two network devices |
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| 22:56.08 | tremon | and I have d-i netcfg/choose_interface select auto |
| 22:56.38 | aloiece | well, I'd do that myself, but I'm an idiot and I'd like to have a nice touchpad with intgrated mousbuttons =P and 17 inches screen. and spdif and firewire/thunderbolt |
| 22:56.54 | aloiece | and with those kind of specs, I'm already looking at something faaairly prebui;t |
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| 22:57.37 | Sheco | tremon: thank you, but I want it preseeded. |
| 22:58.28 | aloiece | well thanks arthurfiggis. I'm just trying to get opinions together before spending a whole load of money and then being very frustrated |
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| 22:59.33 | arthurfiggis | aloiece: oh no problem...that's the best way to go about it i think :) and as i say, with debian specifically it's probably possible to get much lower latencies than what i'm getting from the vanilla kernel, so i would keep checking it out, hopefully it will work for what you need but if not usually someone has a good recommendation for what will! :) |
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| 23:00.02 | akp | hello, is there a HAproxy package for wheezy? |
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| 23:00.32 | JasonWoof | gold! urxvt patch to make it so you can disable mouse reporting: http://www.mail-archive.com/rxvt-unicode@lists.schmorp.de/msg00806.html |
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| 23:00.48 | aloiece | well I'll hang around and also hope to be able to get my beast together! |
| 23:01.05 | Sheco | akp: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/haproxy |
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| 23:02.45 | Sheco | while preseeding the debian-installer how should I configure extra network interfaces? |
| 23:02.53 | akp | Sheco: thanks] |
| 23:03.23 | Sheco | akp: you know how to install backports, right? |
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| 23:04.17 | akp | ? i thought i just added a new file to my /etc/apt/source.list.d/ |
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| 23:04.25 | akp | then do an apt-get update. |
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| 23:04.34 | akp | that is correct, right? |
| 23:04.39 | Sheco | well, yes, almost. |
| 23:04.50 | akp | what part did i miss? |
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| 23:05.23 | Sheco | mm nevermind, I thought you'd have to register the pgp keys mmm |
| 23:05.26 | Sheco | go ahead! |
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| 23:05.36 | akp | word. |
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| 23:06.17 | Sheco | anyway the instructions are here: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 23:08.23 | fruitFly | anyone familiar with dual booting debian beside windows 8 with uefi? |
| 23:08.37 | Sheco | fruitFly, I am |
| 23:08.56 | fruitFly | Sheco: i'd appreciate the help |
| 23:09.10 | Sheco | fruitFly I installed debian, with grub in the partition, not in the MBR |
| 23:09.22 | Sheco | and that's it. |
| 23:09.53 | Sheco | I can pick debian from the EFI boot manager (or windows's boot manager) |
| 23:10.02 | fruitFly | windows 8 or windows 7? |
| 23:10.05 | Sheco | windows 8.1 |
| 23:10.06 | fruitFly | did you do it with? |
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| 23:10.43 | fruitFly | Sheco: i have just win 8 (not 8.1) and these are my partitions: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2416slv&s=5#.Uo6H38Try7K |
| 23:11.18 | fruitFly | Sheco: those r the partitions that can with this refurb, are those normal partitions or are those extra that came with the refurb? |
| 23:11.21 | Sheco | ok, nuke the last recovery partition |
| 23:11.28 | Sheco | with diskpart (commandline) |
| 23:11.35 | fruitFly | Sheco: why? |
| 23:11.50 | Sheco | I hate multiple recovery partitions arr |
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| 23:12.06 | Sheco | and it's 20GB |
| 23:12.06 | fruitFly | Sheco: does it have a functional purpose though? |
| 23:12.17 | fruitFly | it's how this refurb came from newegg |
| 23:12.43 | Sheco | for practical purposes I've never used it |
| 23:13.10 | Sheco | but it helps if you screw your windows and want to restore quickly (i'd rather reinstall) |
| 23:13.30 | fruitFly | Sheco: regardless, how does my debian install differ from a typical mbr install? and my disk is using gpt, right? all efi uses gpt? |
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| 23:14.24 | Sheco | if you install grub on the MBR, I think you'll need a compatible EFI partition |
| 23:15.28 | Sheco | I might be entirely wrong, but I went the safe route and installed on sdaX and it worked just nice. |
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| 23:16.10 | Sheco | I mean, installed grub on /dev/sdaX instead of /dev/sda |
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| 23:31.36 | _br_ | Sorry this is a bit OT, but can anyone recommend a good OpenSource CRM ? (not CMS) |
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| 23:33.02 | C00re | and crm is, what? |
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| 23:33.48 | _br_ | Customer Relationship Management... you know the $foobar sales people use |
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| 23:34.49 | acu | OK - I have a computer with wheezy - with two nics - one NIC is connected to the Router& DCHP and internet - I want the second NIC to server as an way to route the trafic from another 3 computers - the 3 computers connected to the hub which is connected to the second NIC should then be able to browse the LAN and internet - I did IP forwarding but it seem that is not enough- |
| 23:34.57 | acu | !route |
| 23:34.57 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up /sbin/route add -net ...." for the relevant network interface in /etc/network/interfaces . See also <interfaces>. |
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| 23:37.16 | JasonWoof | Here's my patch for disabling mouse reporting in rxvt: http://jasonwoof.com/downloads/rxvt-disable-mouse-reporting.patch |
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| 23:37.40 | JasonWoof | ok, now time for me to go. thank you for help |
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| 23:38.54 | C00re | _br_: have you looked at opencrx? |
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| 23:39.36 | _br_ | C00re: Not yet, but will do now :) thanks |
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| 23:39.43 | C00re | its an enterprise open source crm |
| 23:39.51 | C00re | if thats what you want |
| 23:40.21 | _br_ | neat, any opinion on opencrx, sugarcrm, vtiger, ... ? |
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| 23:41.03 | C00re | never used it |
| 23:41.22 | C00re | just googled some |
| 23:41.49 | _br_ | thank appreciate your help :) |
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| 23:42.16 | _br_ | I found a list with alot of them, but now I'm even more confused. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/450204/free-crm-for-my-website/450216#450216 |
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| 23:48.06 | drasko | hi all. apt-cache show linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 gives me information Source: linux. How to see which version of linux wil "apt-get source linux" pick? |
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| 23:52.18 | fruitFly | i wanna dualboot debian beside win 8 but i'm not sure how to install debian for efi, however, i have a bios with CSM (compatibility support module) so, how could i install debian without going through all the efi headache as a noob, here are my partitions: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2416slv&s=5#.Uo6H38Try7K |
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