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| 00:04.01 | FungiFox | secesh: its called compiling. |
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| 00:05.02 | FungiFox | secesh: and i would help you but... i is noob and just got by with following the instructions that come with program or google that specific thing :P |
| 00:05.51 | secesh | fox: compiling is easy. but I'll need distribution after compilation, which is why I'm interested in packaging |
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| 00:08.17 | zykotick9 | !tell secesh about nmg |
| 00:08.52 | secesh | thanks! |
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| 00:10.06 | james41382 | I am having trouble getting sensors-applet to work |
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| 00:10.46 | james41382 | I installed it and it's dependencies as well as the suggested hddtemp, but it is not working. When I log out and in to gnome nothing. I found /usr/lib/sensors-applet/sensors-applet and ran it, but nothing. |
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| 00:13.10 | zykotick9 | james41382: is the underlying lm-sensors working with your hardware? from terminal does "sensors" return details in your case? |
| 00:14.32 | james41382 | zykotick9: Yes it returns some string data representing values related to the sensors. |
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| 00:15.01 | zykotick9 | james41382: ok, well that's good. sorry, i have no clue about the applet... best of luck. |
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| 00:15.58 | james41382 | zykotick9: That's okay.. It's wierd though. I run it and it just gives a warning about the theme color, but nothing in the panel. |
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| 00:24.20 | smjd | What are the groups the the installer adds the first user by default? Are they same as what I'd get with adduser? |
| 00:24.24 | smjd | -the |
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| 00:25.10 | FungiFox | james41382: i had some sensors fail on me when i upgraded on linux mint. haven't tried on debian yet though. |
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| 00:25.56 | themill | smjd: the "EXTRA_GROUPS" options in /etc/adduser.conf may interest you |
| 00:26.21 | Quest | a 1ghz x86 intel processor will be faster or 1ghz amd? |
| 00:26.31 | themill | Quest: ##hardware |
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| 00:28.31 | smjd | themill: thanks |
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| 01:01.56 | smjd | Dolphin can't seem mount directories, like it could just before I reinstalled the OS |
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| 01:02.23 | smjd | "Authentication is required" |
| 01:03.02 | smjd | Do I need to install a package? |
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| 01:09.03 | smjd | Does the installer do anything else for the first user than add it to those groups? |
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| 01:09.57 | smjd | "dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev users" |
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| 01:18.40 | smjd | should /etc/passwd list all the groups? |
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| 01:19.22 | smjd | if it should, should I have 'plugdev' in there? |
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| 01:19.38 | themill | smjd: /etc/group |
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| 01:20.32 | snikendeiste | Hello good people of debian. Where can I find the kernel crash dump? |
| 01:21.35 | smjd | okay, should I be in 'fuse' group, if I want to mount the other hard drive partitions in Dolphin? |
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| 01:23.11 | grep0r | smjd, for all try cut -d: -f1 /etc/group |
| 01:24.00 | themill | smjd: Depends on exactly what it is you want to mount and how; if it's ntfs and you're going to use the fuse method to get rw support then yes although dolphin probably can't do that automatically without quite some help anyway. If it's just a usb stick with ext or vfat, then you just need the plugdev group |
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| 01:25.26 | smjd | they are internal hard drive ext4 partitions |
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| 01:30.41 | Yoshi1 | anyone available to help me fix a skype problem? people hear me fine but i dont hear any sound from skype |
| 01:31.17 | themill | smjd: ahh... I don't think udev puts them in the plugdev group. Sticking them in fstab with the "user" option might be easiest |
| 01:31.28 | snikendeiste | Yoshi1: checked your alsamixer? |
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| 01:32.09 | Yoshi1 | snikendeiste: nothing seems to be muted in alsa mixer |
| 01:33.17 | Yoshi1 | snikendeiste: although it's default is pulse instead of hda intel pch |
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| 01:52.44 | smjd | themill: any idea why they weren't there in the first place? some /dev/sdc partitions are |
| 01:52.56 | smjd | what generates /etc/fstab? |
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| 01:54.47 | smjd | Can I regenerate to see if /dev/sda1 appears there? |
| 01:55.31 | Supaplex | fstab is usually edited by hand. there is /proc/partitions but it's not in the same format. |
| 01:55.50 | zykotick9 | smjd: as "dpkg -S /etc/fstab" returns nothing, i'm guessing it's the installer that puts it there... |
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| 02:02.09 | smjd | does that count files created by post-install scripts? |
| 02:02.19 | smjd | include* |
| 02:03.04 | Supaplex | they might be considered conf files, which dpkg -S does not show (IIRC) |
| 02:03.12 | Supaplex | dpkg: confmiss |
| 02:03.13 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 02:03.56 | zykotick9 | Supaplex: ahhh "dpkg -S /etc/vim/vimrc" returns vim-common... |
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| 02:07.10 | blkdg | hello, i booted debian live 7.2.0 amd64 xfce desktop from a usb stick. is there a reason i cannot change the 'software sources' while using the live version? |
| 02:08.36 | BrazierCustoms | isn't the live version a read only image? |
| 02:10.17 | blkdg | i was able to use aptitue as root to install wicd. |
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| 02:13.51 | blkdg | BrazierCustoms, i don't know that's why im asking here |
| 02:14.33 | BrazierCustoms | I'm not sure myself, thats why I added the ? |
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| 02:14.53 | blkdg | understood |
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| 02:16.14 | BrazierCustoms | I always thought it was read only because you have to alot storage space seperately, but I havent used live in a while. May be a starting point for search though. |
| 02:16.43 | blkdg | thank you. |
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| 02:25.20 | d[^_^]b | i found a bug in php5-curl on wheezy - it doesn't let me accept invalid certs |
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| 02:30.06 | abrotman | d[^_^]b: did you look at the curl_setopt() ? |
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| 02:31.22 | d[^_^]b | yep, used that |
| 02:31.26 | d[^_^]b | trust me, i tested this |
| 02:31.36 | d[^_^]b | downgraded curl and php5-session and it works again |
| 02:31.39 | d[^_^]b | php5common* |
| 02:31.49 | abrotman | what? |
| 02:31.52 | abrotman | so it does work fine ? |
| 02:32.22 | d[^_^]b | an older version of php5-curl and php5-common do work but new ones just deny connection |
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| 02:33.04 | d[^_^]b | that's why i think there's a bug in the package, it just regresses and denies a connection to an invalid hostname/certificate situation |
| 02:33.34 | tomatosalad | plymouth or splashy or some other thing? |
| 02:33.40 | abrotman | plymouth |
| 02:33.46 | d[^_^]b | i don't have any accounts on bugtrackers so i thought i'd come in here to let someone know who can submit a PR |
| 02:33.51 | abrotman | d[^_^]b: older version meaning squeeze? or earlier wheezy version ? |
| 02:33.58 | d[^_^]b | earlier version from wheezy |
| 02:34.02 | abrotman | d[^_^]b: bugs.debian.org/php5-curl is accessible by anyone |
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| 03:03.10 | DarthExpeditor | doing a design layout for a game |
| 03:03.13 | DarthExpeditor | Out of all the sci-fi shows and what not, who had the coolest lab? |
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| 03:04.41 | DoverMo | DarthExpeditor, stop watches and balloons are ideal equipment for science labs |
| 03:05.27 | DarthExpeditor | LOL |
| 03:05.39 | DarthExpeditor | I'm looking for something to use as creative example |
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| 03:07.46 | DoverMo | DarthExpeditor, vacuum tubes everywhere |
| 03:08.16 | DarthExpeditor | LOL |
| 03:08.21 | DarthExpeditor | Tesla would be proud |
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| 03:09.07 | DoverMo | DarthExpeditor, what kind of view are you using? |
| 03:09.24 | DoverMo | DarthExpeditor, single scene, 3d, isometric |
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| 03:10.02 | DarthExpeditor | 3d |
| 03:10.24 | DarthExpeditor | Henry's lab from Sanctuary was lame |
| 03:10.38 | DarthExpeditor | I've been looking at some of the stuff from Eureka |
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| 03:11.04 | DarthExpeditor | Saddler's lab from Continuum was pretty pimp |
| 03:11.19 | DoverMo | oh o-o |
| 03:11.29 | dvs | DarthExpeditor: CSI:NY? |
| 03:11.43 | DarthExpeditor | Hmmmm |
| 03:11.50 | DarthExpeditor | Let me load up an episode |
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| 03:12.55 | abrotman | !ot |
| 03:12.56 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 03:13.04 | abrotman | this is not at all related to Debian ... |
| 03:13.19 | DarthExpeditor | LOL |
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| 03:13.23 | abrotman | not amused |
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| 03:13.57 | pirret | yes it is |
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| 03:14.09 | pirret | didnt you know they edit CSI:NY with debian |
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| 03:14.25 | DoverMo | negative sentiment alert |
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| 03:15.43 | DarthExpeditor | Doesn't matter, it gave me some places to look. I'm out for now. He can get stuffy with someone else. Thanks guys!!! |
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| 03:16.11 | DoverMo | tkb |
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| 03:27.26 | gp5st | I'm having this issue with apt http://bpaste.net/show/iKh7LkCgKVcyJIbXpe9q/ It's an ubuntu 12.04 install, and I know this is #debian, but #ubuntu hasn't yielded anyone with any solutions over the past few days and everything i find on google isn't useful. I can't upgrade or install anything :( any help would be appriciated. |
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| 03:29.00 | themill | gp5st: you need #ubuntu to help you work out what is wrong with that procps package/upstart here. Nothing we can really help you with. |
| 03:29.16 | DoverMo | gp5st, did you try dpkg --audit |
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| 03:31.35 | gp5st | DoverMo: tells me the same list of packages isn't configured |
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| 03:31.54 | gp5st | themill: I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/procps/+bug/1239158/comments/4 but I can't seem to find anyone who knows anything about that package |
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| 03:32.03 | abrotman | gp5st: please take it to #ubuntu, last warning |
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| 03:32.21 | gp5st | abrotman: well F you too (waits to be kicked) |
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| 03:32.50 | themill | gp5st: keeping on asking doesn't make this a debian problem -- please ask #ubuntu. |
| 03:32.59 | abrotman | gp5st: please use #ubuntu for Ubuntu related questions, if they can't help you, try ##linux, or use a distro with decent support. |
| 03:33.29 | DoverMo | gp5st, dpkg --audit will tell you what you need to configure, you have to read the output |
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| 03:33.43 | abrotman | DoverMo: feel free to help him in #ubuntu, thank you |
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| 03:57.09 | zx2c4 | FATAL: kernel too old |
| 03:57.19 | zx2c4 | so what debian will run on 2.6.16? |
| 03:57.26 | abrotman | why would you ? |
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| 03:57.38 | zx2c4 | abrotman, embedded device where i cant upgrade the kernel |
| 03:58.10 | abrotman | lenny maybe? |
| 03:58.22 | abrotman | dpkg: tell zx2c4 about archive |
| 03:58.52 | zx2c4 | abrotman, thats what im trying right now. debootstrapping it |
| 03:58.55 | themill | not even sure if lenny was happy on that kernel (which is pre-etch) |
| 03:59.06 | zx2c4 | aye yie yie |
| 03:59.37 | themill | there are both udev and glibc games to be played here |
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| 04:01.18 | zx2c4 | looks like glibc accepts lenny! |
| 04:02.51 | themill | yeah, I think it was lenny's udev that needed a newer kernel than that. |
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| 04:08.31 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | I'm getting an error message that says "Could not update ICEauthority file /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority... my only choice is to log out |
| 04:08.59 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | I googled the error... the only suggest is to delete the path... but the path is not found... |
| 04:09.04 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | -suggestion |
| 04:09.34 | zx2c4 | ajdjawdoiawdioj, does /var/lib/gdm3/ exist? does it have the correctpermissions? |
| 04:11.07 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | hold on let me go into recovery mode |
| 04:11.27 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | yes /var/lib/gdm3 exists |
| 04:11.29 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | how do I check the permission |
| 04:12.03 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | the only folder i see is dconf |
| 04:12.54 | zx2c4 | chmod 777 /var/lib/gdm3/, and see if the problem goes away |
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| 04:15.52 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | is 777 a safe permission to use? sorry I just know for webservers not to use it |
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| 04:16.20 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | restarting |
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| 04:17.57 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | alright im back to my desktop again thank you |
| 04:18.04 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | should i leave the permission as 777? |
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| 04:33.32 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | zx2c4: should I leave it 777? |
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| 04:34.23 | zx2c4 | ajdjawdoiawdioj, probs not in the end |
| 04:34.26 | zx2c4 | figure out what hte proper user is |
| 04:34.29 | zx2c4 | and chmod it to the right way |
| 04:34.31 | zx2c4 | gotta go |
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| 06:12.19 | BenNZ | hi using debian unstable im trying to install grub2 , but i keep getting this error http://dpaste.com/1482072/ , i get the same error when i try to install grub-pc |
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| 06:13.02 | MrCleanWithHair | BenNZ: taking a look |
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| 06:14.03 | BenNZ | MrCleanWithHair: thank you |
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| 06:15.37 | Dan39 | hnnn why does wiki.debian.org deny access from ovh fr :| |
| 06:15.56 | Hackintech | I'm guessing abuse from OVH ranges |
| 06:16.01 | Dan39 | when running http thru proxy on my ovh fr box i get 403 Forbidden at wiki.debian.org :( |
| 06:16.08 | Dan39 | that is silly |
| 06:16.35 | MrCleanWithHair | BenNZ: are you on stable/unstable/testing? |
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| 06:17.03 | BenNZ | MrCleanWithHair: unstable |
| 06:18.03 | MrCleanWithHair | BenNZ: and we tried dpkg --configure grub-pc? |
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| 06:19.02 | BenNZ | MrCleanWithHair: yes i get the same error |
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| 06:19.51 | BenNZ | MrCleanWithHair: i believe its the way its packaged |
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| 06:21.13 | MrCleanWithHair | BenNZ: dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 06:21.36 | MrCleanWithHair | dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
| 06:22.16 | BenNZ | MrCleanWithHair: yes the same , http://dpaste.com/1482088/ |
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| 06:44.46 | eb0t | what mounting software do you use on debian |
| 06:45.07 | eb0t | iso mounting |
| 06:46.10 | pirret | mount |
| 06:46.34 | MrCleanWithHair | eb0t: mount |
| 06:46.41 | MrCleanWithHair | mount -o loop disk1.iso /mnt/disk |
| 06:46.41 | eb0t | if i mount an iso image just using the mount command and the image contains vidoes....do i have to run the videos from command line |
| 06:46.57 | eb0t | or can i still use my file manager to run the vidoes |
| 06:47.09 | MrCleanWithHair | eb0t: no, but why wouldn't you just mplayer? |
| 06:47.21 | pirret | do you have tp run videofiles that are on your hard drive, from command line? |
| 06:47.28 | eb0t | no |
| 06:47.29 | pirret | to* |
| 06:47.35 | pirret | so there is your answer |
| 06:47.44 | eb0t | ok thatnks then ill stick with mount and umount rather than installing a package |
| 06:47.47 | eb0t | nice |
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| 07:55.51 | well_laid_lawn | different network managers overwrite that file |
| 07:57.02 | SpinningWheels | i've got a basic inet install of debian. |
| 07:57.07 | SpinningWheels | no gui |
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| 08:29.29 | sankey | like this, but rss: http://www.debian.org/News/ |
| 08:29.48 | honestly | mailing lists is where it's at |
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| 08:30.29 | sankey | honestly: it's just awkward to subscribe to a mailing list....for an IRC bot :) |
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| 09:09.54 | kweek | Hey. |
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| 09:10.39 | kweek | Anyone knows what the difference exactly is between a standard boot and a failsafe boot? I have a machine here that refuses to boot up unless I select the "amd64 (failsafe)" option. |
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| 09:15.14 | kweek | Hey anyone? |
| 09:15.21 | kweek | Anyone knows what the difference exactly is between a standard boot and a failsafe boot? |
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| 09:16.20 | bezaban | kweek: you can check the options passed to the kernel for the two different variants? |
| 09:16.25 | bezaban | not a question :P |
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| 09:17.02 | kweek | How do I do that from a live installer? |
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| 09:17.57 | kweek | Okay I see it. it's the tab key. |
| 09:18.19 | maxyz | kweek: Oh, then failsafe is most probably disables some specific hardware features. |
| 09:18.43 | kweek | The CPU on the box is an Intel Engineering Sample... |
| 09:19.20 | kweek | Looks like the CPU isn't totally behaving like a retail CPU would... ;-) |
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| 09:23.04 | kweek | nomodeset seems to be the faulty option. |
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| 09:23.13 | kweek | I mean, the opposite. |
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| 09:28.30 | maxyz | Ok, then video support issue, not really needed as long as you don't plan to use X. |
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| 09:30.46 | git-shell | Hello, I'm using Debian 7.2, Can someone please assist me by explaining me how do I install Gnome 3.10 on it? |
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| 09:32.38 | themill | git-shell: gnome is a bit and complicated set of packages with lots of complicated interdependencies. You don't just upgrade it. |
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| 09:32.46 | CissWit | git-shell: that looks like an adventurous quest :) The support of gnome was made difficult in debian with gnome depending on systemd. gnome 3.8 works in unstable but there have been many bug reports, so it doesn't look very stable yet. |
| 09:33.37 | git-shell | Thank you both for kindly explaining this to me |
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| 09:33.55 | CissWit | i'd try to use the 3.8 package, see how it works, and then try to upgrade the source of the 3.8 packages to 3.10 and see if i can make it work |
| 09:34.10 | kweek | Alright there actually two options that are making it crash: nosmp nomodeset. |
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| 09:34.28 | kweek | nosmp might be an issue... |
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| 09:38.53 | grep0r | #debian-next is invite only now? |
| 09:40.31 | pfote | grep0r: you probably need to identify youself against nickserv |
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| 09:41.15 | grep0r | pfote, yeah i'll try it :) |
| 09:41.38 | bezaban | not sure about the one on this network, but the #debian-next I see referred on here is on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org), not freenode :) |
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| 09:42.09 | bezaban | identifying won't help :) |
| 09:42.18 | pfote | oh |
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| 09:42.54 | grep0r | bezaban, yeap i have to connect to oftc thx |
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| 09:43.43 | D-Boy | ,versions mysql-workbench |
| 09:43.44 | judd | Package: mysql-workbench on i386 -- wheezy: 5.2.40+dfsg-2; jessie: 6.0.8+dfsg-1; sid: 6.0.8+dfsg-1 |
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| 09:52.54 | Houhex | Hello is possible to change data on live dvd.... for example bookmarks in firefox?... |
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| 09:53.24 | extor | How do I add php to apache's config file so it "handles" .php files rather than telling my browser to download the .php file? |
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| 09:55.33 | bhuddah | extor: please at least try to google yourself or read the manual. please. |
| 09:55.46 | extor | sighs |
| 09:55.55 | bezaban | installng php is the first step :) |
| 09:56.35 | bezaban | it should set up server side parsing of .php out of the box when mod_php is installed |
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| 09:58.25 | extor | I want to avoid mod_php and run cgi php if that makes any sense |
| 09:58.35 | bhuddah | why? |
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| 09:59.31 | tomboy64 | scratches his head |
| 09:59.33 | bezaban | ah. I've never tried php cgi |
| 09:59.39 | extor | the app I am running demands it |
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| 10:00.02 | extor | I gotta do what I gotta do. Anyway php cgi exists so it must be configurable |
| 10:00.38 | bezaban | yap, there is a section in your config which will tell you how to handle certain extentions |
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| 10:03.56 | kweek | "maxcpus=3" gets the system to boot up and is a lot better than passing a "nosmp" |
| 10:04.10 | kweek | however maxcpus=4 is a system crash. |
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| 10:06.14 | kweek | anyone knows what does the nomodeset and modeset options stands for? |
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| 10:07.11 | Sendoushi | hey guys. the render of my windows is really slow. i have a beast as a computer and still... moving windows and scrolling is a pain. i think i may not have 3d acceleration since virtualbox also doesn't detect it |
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| 10:07.22 | Sendoushi | i installed already ati drivers but... ideas on how to solve? |
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| 10:07.45 | Sendoushi | someone told me to isntall firmware-linux-nonfree but... couldn't |
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| 10:13.54 | kchehab | i have two systems on the same network how can i make them reduentant to each other meaning if a system went down the second server will set it ip up untill it be online again |
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| 10:19.39 | kweek | looks like further I can get it to even boot is by adding i915.modeset=0 maxcpus=3 |
| 10:20.04 | kweek | at least I get it to boot and I can see 3 cpus populated in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 10:20.31 | kweek | that's what you get for buying 10$ CPUs engineering samples off eBay. ;-) |
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| 10:21.31 | musca | hi Sendoushi, did you enable the non-free component of your debian repo and afterwards execute "apt-get update"? |
| 10:21.50 | Sendoushi | what do you mean by enabling? on the sources list? |
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| 10:22.07 | Sendoushi | it finds the nonfree firmware |
| 10:22.31 | Sendoushi | it just gave me some kind of error "can't install" sorry for not having more information. i can't really install it now because i'm working and so |
| 10:22.44 | Sendoushi | i'll try to install it once again on the end of the day |
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| 10:23.36 | musca | Sendoushi: ok, you can later come back with exect output of your install command in a pastebin |
| 10:23.46 | Sendoushi | i guess that's for the best |
| 10:23.48 | musca | exact* |
| 10:23.51 | Sendoushi | sorry |
| 10:23.55 | musca | np |
| 10:24.06 | Sendoushi | but do you think that can solve my problem of slow 3d aceleration? |
| 10:24.16 | musca | !radeon firmware |
| 10:24.17 | dpkg | Binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009) and is packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver. |
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| 10:25.15 | Sendoushi | i already installed their drivers |
| 10:25.22 | Sendoushi | but yes i see... |
| 10:25.34 | Sendoushi | !non-free sources |
| 10:25.34 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 10:25.37 | Sendoushi | :) |
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| 10:26.36 | Sendoushi | should i add that to the deb-src also? i just add it to the deb lines not the deb-src |
| 10:27.12 | musca | it is rarely used. |
| 10:27.17 | Sendoushi | ok |
| 10:28.05 | musca | Sendoushi: If you want to compile some package from source you might want deb-src enabled. |
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| 10:28.22 | Sendoushi | in this case... for the firmware |
| 10:28.32 | musca | no. |
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| 10:28.46 | Sendoushi | ok :) |
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| 11:54.34 | sKeiths | how do i suppress error messages from overwriting my active shell? |
| 11:55.03 | ChrisH | sKeiths: can you show an example? |
| 11:55.20 | sKeiths | Sense Key : medium error [current] |
| 11:55.43 | ChrisH | sKeiths: hmmm, I tended to say: replace the faulty HW. |
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| 11:55.55 | ChrisH | Stopping syslogd might work. |
| 11:56.15 | sKeiths | its a cd, and i am recovering any files that are possible from it. |
| 11:56.32 | sKeiths | i'll try that ChrisH |
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| 11:56.53 | bhuddah | use a different terminal that has the messages supressed? |
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| 11:57.10 | kchehab | i am using debian and i have two servers running voip service in the same network and same voip version even hardware ,how can i set the two servers redundant for each other |
| 11:57.20 | ChrisH | bhuddah: is that a suggestion or a question? |
| 11:57.22 | sKeiths | all the terminals seem to get it :( |
| 11:57.22 | kchehab | incase of system ip unreachable the second server will set first server ip address and run take its role |
| 11:58.01 | bhuddah | ChrisH: an idea... usually you only have them on the console and not via ssh and so on. it's configurable in some way. |
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| 11:58.22 | bhuddah | kchehab: it's complicated. |
| 11:58.42 | ChrisH | Its syslogd config distributiung these messsages and some get pushed to all terminals. |
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| 11:59.31 | sKeiths | is rsyslog the syslog daemon? |
| 11:59.31 | bhuddah | ChrisH: ha!... okay. i didn't remember that this was the publisher. |
| 11:59.39 | bhuddah | yes |
| 12:00.13 | ChrisH | kchehab: check if ucarp might help you. |
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| 12:11.39 | sKeiths | stopping syslog may have helped a little, but still message scrolling on every terminal I try to use. 'attempt to acess beyond end of device' 'sr0: rw=0, want=1173656, limit 914088' over and over again at speed. |
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| 12:13.16 | StaticLNX | is there any graphical ssh clients in ubuntu that are similar to securecrt in windows? |
| 12:13.47 | themill | StaticLNX: #ubuntu is more likely to know that answer |
| 12:14.08 | CissWit | StaticLNX: securecrt websites states that its available for linux |
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| 12:14.28 | CissWit | and more generally, on linux, everyone uses openssh. |
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| 12:15.35 | xand | StaticLNX: wrong channel? |
| 12:15.44 | StaticLNX | no... |
| 12:15.49 | xand | yes |
| 12:15.56 | xand | this isn't #ubuntu |
| 12:16.12 | StaticLNX | I'm aware? |
| 12:16.20 | xand | so wrong channel |
| 12:16.43 | CissWit | you asked for a ssh client in ubuntu, so xand is right, its the wrong channel |
| 12:18.04 | StaticLNX | I've got 50 servers and am looking for a graphical solution to save ip's and organise them |
| 12:18.24 | bhuddah | still on ubuntu? ^^ |
| 12:18.41 | themill | StaticLNX: vi ~/.ssh/config; and really... how does #debian know what is in the ubuntu archive. |
| 12:18.55 | StaticLNX | I'm on wheezy but the servers are ubuntu |
| 12:19.25 | themill | so why do you want a utility for ubuntu for this? |
| 12:19.42 | xand | so umm |
| 12:20.06 | StaticLNX | I asked in the wrong channel originally |
| 12:20.53 | xand | StaticLNX: do you want something that runs on debian? |
| 12:21.07 | xand | if so ... well there is putty, but I don't see the attraction |
| 12:21.20 | StaticLNX | then I joined the right one which because I primarly run debian is this |
| 12:21.42 | StaticLNX | my work runs ubuntu servers |
| 12:22.14 | StaticLNX | xand yes |
| 12:22.34 | brontosaurusrex | StaticLNX, just make aliases |
| 12:22.45 | bhuddah | or use dns. |
| 12:22.52 | xand | StaticLNX: well then your question was wrong :P but anyway, you can install putty if you like a gui. |
| 12:23.03 | CissWit | StaticLNX: you can have a look at fanout and fanterm too, it can helps a lot managing multiple servers |
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| 12:23.34 | bhuddah | or cssh |
| 12:23.37 | CissWit | the new hype things are chef or puppet |
| 12:23.39 | StaticLNX | ty I'll check it out |
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| 12:23.57 | CissWit | and if you only need to manage multiple ip, look at ssh config and how it works, there's a lot of thing you can do there |
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| 12:27.06 | bl4ckdu5t | I've been a Ubuntu user and I'm making plans to switch to Debian. Are there possibilities that I may regret this action? |
| 12:27.31 | bhuddah | of course. |
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| 12:27.45 | bhuddah | but there are also lots of possibilities to enjoy it. |
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| 12:57.31 | Waka_Flocka | where would i ask about debian packaging |
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| 12:57.42 | Waka_Flocka | is this the correct cahnnel? |
| 12:57.46 | Waka_Flocka | *channel |
| 12:57.55 | themill | dpkg: tell Waka_Flocka about mentors |
| 12:58.50 | Waka_Flocka | themill: i just want a existing package to be updated |
| 12:59.03 | themill | ahh... which package? |
| 12:59.12 | Waka_Flocka | midori is stuck on a very old version, 0.4.3 |
| 12:59.15 | Waka_Flocka | https://launchpad.net/debian/wheezy/+source/midori |
| 12:59.21 | Waka_Flocka | sid is the same too |
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| 13:00.38 | themill | Waka_Flocka: you could "reportbug midori" to report a wishlist bug that midori be updated to the newer upstream release |
| 13:01.10 | Waka_Flocka | is there a debian bugzilla of some sort? |
| 13:01.25 | Twinkletoes | packages.debian.org for wheezy-backports, shows trac version 1.0.1.2~bpo70+1, but when I run aptitude -t wheezy-backports show trac, it lists the version currently in wheezy stable (0.12.5-3~deb7u1). What am I doing wrong? |
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| 13:02.33 | themill | dpkg: tell Waka_Flocka about bts |
| 13:02.44 | themill | ,bug 663185 |
| 13:02.45 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/663185 in midori (open): «midori 0.4.4 released (with support for webkitgtk 1.4.3)»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2012-03-09; last modified: 2013-03-07. |
| 13:02.50 | themill | Waka_Flocka: ^^ already reported |
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| 13:02.58 | Waka_Flocka | oh |
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| 13:03.37 | Waka_Flocka | thanks |
| 13:03.38 | themill | Twinkletoes: do you have backports in your sources.list? |
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| 13:03.55 | Twinkletoes | themill: deb http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 13:04.23 | themill | and have you run apt-get update since adding it? |
| 13:04.34 | Twinkletoes | themill: I use aptitude, rather than apt-get, but yes |
| 13:04.38 | Twinkletoes | themill: No errors |
| 13:05.09 | themill | can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy trac" for me? |
| 13:05.36 | Waka_Flocka | themill: in that bug report, it mentions waf, which has been replaced with cmake |
| 13:05.56 | Waka_Flocka | but that doesnt matter |
| 13:06.08 | Twinkletoes | themill: http://paste.debian.net/67654/ |
| 13:06.08 | Waka_Flocka | it seems like thats never goona happen |
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| 13:07.01 | Twinkletoes | themill: Wait.... |
| 13:07.27 | Twinkletoes | themill: Even though I ran aptitude remove trac, I jsut ran it again to make sure and it removed it again, and now when I do the previous command I do get the backports version |
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| 13:09.11 | themill | Twinkletoes: ah... I can't say I ever use aptitude show (apt-cache show is quite fine to use and faster...). Perhaps it prefers the installed version over the candidate version. |
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| 13:10.32 | themill | Waka_Flocka: there looks like there's been some recent work on packaging 0.5.2. It'll get there. |
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| 13:11.04 | Waka_Flocka | ok |
| 13:11.22 | Twinkletoes | themill: I would like to use apt-get, apt-cache etc. but everythign I read says that using aptitude is better ebcause it kees better track of dependencies |
| 13:12.23 | themill | Twinkletoes: apt-cache is only a search tool -- you don't even run it as root. aptitude and apt-get can be used interchangeably and sometimes one will behave better than the other |
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| 13:12.37 | Twinkletoes | themill: Ok - thanks for that :) |
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| 13:17.40 | monod | hello |
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| 13:17.59 | monod | how do I own an NTFS partition and set the execute flag? |
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| 13:20.25 | tarkaram | Hello all.. is there a Debian package to create your own RSS feeds ? |
| 13:20.26 | BotaniCar | monod: last time i checked, permissions were defined while mounting. IMO you can't change the attributes on a already mounted NTFS and display of flags is purely decorative. |
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| 13:20.56 | tarkaram | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.19 | StaticLNX | btw I found the graphical ssh tool I was looking for... its called pac |
| 13:21.25 | monod | BotaniCar, in fact I needed to write fstab to automount it, possibly with flags... but you say it isn't possible? Uhm.. |
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| 13:22.14 | BotaniCar | monod: defining flags through fstab is only way to do it as i recall it ,after it's mounted it's as-is |
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| 13:22.29 | ChrisH | monod: man mount search for ntfs and find all needed options |
| 13:22.52 | monod | BotaniCar, ChrisH, thanks |
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| 13:24.19 | monod | dpkg says "which I knew" when I ask about "gid" |
| 13:24.19 | dpkg | monod: no idea |
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| 13:24.41 | monod | I'd like to know my gid number, but maybe it is not needed for automounting in fstab |
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| 13:25.20 | themill | monod: the output of "id" contains all that information (and no, you probably don't really need it) |
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| 13:25.37 | monod | also: "mount: only root can mount /dev/sdaX on /dir..." |
| 13:25.45 | monod | thanks themill |
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| 13:27.00 | monod | How can I remedy the "Only root can mount ..." message? |
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| 13:30.18 | grep0r | monod, on general only root can mount that's not a problem but you can change it if you want |
| 13:30.32 | monod | grep0r I'm googling to do that |
| 13:30.35 | monod | exactly. |
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| 13:31.15 | monod | grep0r, how would you do that? |
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| 13:31.27 | themill | look at the "user" option in fstab(5) |
| 13:31.43 | monod | also, it is an NTFS |
| 13:31.48 | monod | ok, man fstab(5) then |
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| 13:32.07 | monod | how do I search when using man? |
| 13:32.10 | monod | themill ^ |
| 13:32.16 | themill | / |
| 13:32.26 | monod | thx |
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| 13:32.35 | grep0r | you can try apropos monod |
| 13:32.58 | monod | I really don't know what it is, grep0r |
| 13:34.12 | grep0r | monod, second phone |
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| 13:34.39 | monod | I understand even less O_O |
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| 13:35.47 | highend | Hi all, It seems I have a problem with the hdd on my VPS. |
| 13:35.47 | highend | Apparently the root filesystem was remounted read-only as dmesg says: |
| 13:35.47 | highend | [6451241.442060] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Unhandled error code |
| 13:35.47 | highend | [6451241.462533] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_TIMEOUT |
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| 13:36.00 | grep0r | open a terminal and try apropos somethingyouwant, example apropos ftp |
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| 13:36.59 | grep0r | you will have some replies then where to search on which manual and on general man command/program so you can see the whole manual |
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| 13:38.34 | monod | ok grep0r |
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| 13:39.18 | monod | do ntfs partitions have execution flags?? |
| 13:39.23 | monod | that's my first real question |
| 13:39.32 | monod | real first* |
| 13:40.15 | grep0r | monod, btw for automounting -> https://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs its a solution |
| 13:40.24 | monod | nice, I'll read it now |
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| 13:40.32 | monod | also, do NTFS partition have exec flags? |
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| 13:41.27 | monod | grep0r, the link you gave me is too much complicated!! I can only see configurations, over configurations, over the same.. |
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| 13:44.20 | BotaniCar | monod: NTFS wasn't developed by people/company with same mindset as linux FS's , so in short - no, they don't have exec flags. You can set execution permissions by defining "fmask" for specific entry in fstab. |
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| 13:44.55 | monod | BotaniCar, umask should do both fmask and dmask, correct? |
| 13:44.59 | monod | also, thanks |
| 13:46.06 | abrotman | they do have an exec flag, but it's not the same way |
| 13:46.13 | monod | alright |
| 13:46.17 | monod | hello abrotman! |
| 13:46.22 | monod | have been a while |
| 13:46.23 | abrotman | dpkg: tell monod about acl |
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| 13:46.41 | abrotman | but linux acls and ntfs acls aren't quite the same either |
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| 13:47.18 | BotaniCar | monod: fmask = file mask, umask = user mask and dmask = directory mask , you can combine to tailor the permissions to suit your need. |
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| 13:47.34 | monod | nice one BotaniCar |
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| 13:48.22 | monod | abrotman: I'd like to know this: a program (Steam) needs to set a folder inside a filesystem which has exec flags. I have the data partition on my NTFS, because it is shared with Windows. Do the NTFS's exec flag work the same in this case? |
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| 13:58.55 | monod | i got it!!! |
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| 13:59.16 | monod | I wrote a one-liner for root that mounts with the desired flags |
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| 14:04.38 | eb0t | what debian wheezy tool can i use to convert swf to mp4 or avi files |
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| 14:10.26 | ectospasm | eb0t: handbrake apparently does it, but it's in experimental right now |
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| 14:10.51 | stmiller | ffmpeg |
| 14:11.05 | themill | eb0t: by swf do you really mean flv? |
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| 14:13.13 | eb0t | no they are swf files |
| 14:13.31 | eb0t | i have mounted an iso and it lists lots of swf files |
| 14:14.02 | themill | swf isn't a movie format. There are swfs that can play movie files though |
| 14:14.06 | eb0t | i cant forward these files so i need to convert them |
| 14:14.38 | eb0t | i currently play them withgnash swf viewer |
| 14:15.36 | eb0t | so i need to convert them to something readable....with vlc |
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| 14:15.53 | eb0t | vlc currently only plays the audio of the files and fails to display |
| 14:16.46 | eb0t | ah ectospasm .....handbrake.....but im worried about mixing experimental with my stable debian |
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| 14:18.29 | stmiller | ffmpeg -i myfile.swf out.mp4 |
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| 14:19.20 | eb0t | yes i came across ffmpeg but the stuff available in apt-cache isnt that exactly |
| 14:19.33 | eb0t | ill try and get just that and see what happens |
| 14:19.49 | themill | if ffmpeg can do it then avconv can; you might be lucky for the particular swfs you have |
| 14:20.05 | eb0t | ah thanks themill |
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| 14:20.50 | eb0t | ah well ffmpeg seems to be installing |
| 14:20.58 | eb0t | cool |
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| 14:49.16 | |zzy | I'm trying to get butt (audio streamer) to stream whatever is sent to my laptop's headphone output |
| 14:49.46 | |zzy | But butt only sees my laptop's internel mic |
| 14:49.49 | |zzy | internal |
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| 15:04.05 | sco` | Hi, i would like to join a debain server (samba version 3.6.6) to a samba4 dc. from all the guides iv read they all seem to reference the "net *" command. what package provides this ? |
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| 15:07.17 | arthurfiggis | sco`: i believe it would be in samba-common-bin |
| 15:07.21 | ctmjr | there is no default password |
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| 15:08.15 | sco` | arthurfiggis: perfect, thanks |
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| 15:08.38 | arthurfiggis | sco`: no problem :) |
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| 15:10.52 | olivier_bK | i have a probleme to remove file when i do ls -l i see that |
| 15:11.13 | olivier_bK | -????????? ? ? ? ? ? Name_of_file |
| 15:11.28 | olivier_bK | do you know how i can delete it |
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| 15:13.31 | danialr | last version of debian is sid ? |
| 15:13.38 | ChrisH | olivier_bK: are you sure not having a corrupt filesystem? |
| 15:14.10 | jelly | danialr: no, sid is basically a development branch and will always stay that way, it will never be "released" |
| 15:14.11 | abrotman | danialr: no, wheezy |
| 15:14.30 | olivier_bK | do you know how i can check it it's a ntfs filesystem |
| 15:14.31 | olivier_bK | ? |
| 15:14.52 | danialr | im looking for a package dk-filter but it's only available for sid http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid&searchon=names&keywords=dk-filter |
| 15:15.23 | ChrisH | olivier_bK: check dmesg and paste the ls -li Name_of_file output here, this should only be one line. If more lines use paste.debian.net (If pasting there, please add the full dmesg output, too) |
| 15:15.32 | jelly | olivier_bK: use the output of "df ." and "mount", and fiugre out which fs type the relevant mount point is. |
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| 15:15.41 | sco` | also (im a new debian user) if i have apt installed is it safe to remove aptitude-common ? ( im working with a 128mb chip) |
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| 15:18.45 | jordanm | sco`: assuming you don't want aptitude, then sure |
| 15:19.40 | sco` | heh, right now its 3mb i could do with. |
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| 15:47.06 | danialr | i need DomainKeys for sendmail what package should i install ? i installed opendkim but i want to have domainkeys only in ubuntu there is dk-filter but in debian i don't know what should i install |
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| 15:49.48 | aivonix | Hey guys, newbie question here, but how do you stop the boot process on debian? I want to kill it before it runs after I start the PC and then just deal with the console |
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| 16:05.09 | mumpitzel | habanany: which wlan chip? "lspci -nn" |
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| 16:05.33 | mumpitzel | !tell aivonix about nodm |
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| 16:05.52 | mumpitzel | aivonix: that covers it if you don't want to boot to a GUI. stopping the boot process is nonsensical however |
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| 16:10.34 | zykotick9 | aivonix: i've never tried the "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" but another alternative (short of removing you DM), would be to disable the service (personally i like the simplicity of using rcconf for that purpose) |
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| 16:13.38 | habanany | mumpitzel I have to find out |
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| 16:30.34 | aivonix | mumpitzel: I don't want to set that in the system, I want to stop it while it's running, if possible, like e.g. Windows you can stop the boot process with F8 and then choose an option from the menu [e.g. safe mode]. I simply want to just run the console after I start the PC up |
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| 16:32.52 | ChrisH | aivonix: you can choose this from grub menu and select different options there or manually set extra options to the kernel. |
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| 16:36.34 | madmac2501 | what preseed must I use in a debian installer to not use an external network mirror? |
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| 16:54.22 | madmac2501 | how can I know what questions are asked in a debian-installer to provide a custom preseed? |
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| 16:54.47 | madmac2501 | I would like to know what question is asked when the installer stops |
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| 17:00.56 | moux | hallo |
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| 17:01.03 | moux | hello... |
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| 17:02.22 | moux | I'm trying to clone a Wheezy install with clonezilla... But the target system is EFI... How can I deal with it? |
| 17:02.56 | MrCleanWithHair | madmac2501: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en |
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| 17:03.46 | zykotick9 | moux: i'm guessing your cloned system is gonna be missing some important efi/grub packages... best of luck (i'd reinstall myself) |
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| 17:03.59 | madmac2501 | MrCleanWithHair, what exact section do you recommend me? |
| 17:04.36 | MrCleanWithHair | madmac2501: that page and about the next 4 or 5 |
| 17:05.00 | madmac2501 | MrCleanWithHair, thank you |
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| 17:06.15 | moux | zykotick9, but the cloned system boot well... And impossible to make the target boot... Can I reinstall grub on the target in any way? |
| 17:06.55 | MrCleanWithHair | moux: yes |
| 17:07.06 | zykotick9 | moux: sorry, i would never do what you're trying. my "i'd reinstall" was my only suggestion in this. good luck though |
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| 17:08.42 | moux | MrCleanWithHair, how please? Do i have to chroot? |
| 17:08.53 | MrCleanWithHair | moux: yes |
| 17:09.15 | MrCleanWithHair | also, +1 to zykotick9 |
| 17:09.48 | moux | And then reinstall grub-efi, update-grub and so on? |
| 17:10.04 | MrCleanWithHair | moux: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en |
| 17:10.06 | MrCleanWithHair | yes |
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| 17:11.12 | MrCleanWithHair | if you can't boot into single user and fix it |
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| 17:14.12 | moux | Thanks |
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| 17:24.49 | linedash | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-25085035 |
| 17:24.53 | linedash | wrong channel |
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| 17:36.15 | linuxthefish | hello i have debian BUGGY! |
| 17:36.19 | linuxthefish | /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: |
| 17:36.19 | linuxthefish | initctl: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused |
| 17:36.35 | galex-713 | What is the Debian default POP3/IMAP/SMTPauth server? |
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| 17:42.13 | abrotman | galex-713: Those aren't all one package |
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| 17:42.50 | linux|newb | should we be worried about this GCC issue? http://www.securitycurrent.com/en/research/ac_research/mot-researchers-uncover-security-flaws-in-c |
| 17:43.46 | abrotman | the author couldn't even get MIT right in the URL, neat |
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| 17:44.33 | linux|newb | lol |
| 17:44.39 | abrotman | linux|newb: it said it found one out of 3471 .. |
| 17:45.13 | abrotman | oh, misread |
| 17:45.43 | abrotman | linux|newb: you'd have to read the whole paper to determine the risk |
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| 17:47.28 | linux|newb | takes a deep breath - prepares for a long night :) |
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| 17:48.00 | abrotman | linux|newb: feel free to find a mailing list for a spirited discussion, lists.debian.org |
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| 17:49.35 | WilliamDotSI | does the NFS server and kernel in Debian Wheezy (assume latest patched stable) have NFS 4.1? |
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| 17:49.47 | rryoumaa | sometimes a movie will have parts that are too loud and parts that are too soft. is there a sound compressor? |
| 17:49.59 | WilliamDotSI | more likely the player. |
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| 17:50.09 | WilliamDotSI | VLC can do normalization |
| 17:50.15 | WilliamDotSI | mplayer is better at it |
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| 17:51.44 | rryoumaa | thanks |
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| 17:53.30 | linux|newb | abrotman: cheers |
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| 17:57.10 | galex-713 | abrotman, ok but what single package doing SMTP authentification, POP3 and IMAP is the default on Debian? |
| 17:57.19 | galex-713 | Or at least which is the easier to install? |
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| 18:03.40 | abrotman | galex-713: there isn't one |
| 18:03.49 | galex-713 | Ok… |
| 18:04.01 | xand | galex-713: you need a combination of things e.g. exim4+dovecot |
| 18:04.13 | abrotman | galex-713: you install the one you want to use, postfix does SMTP AUTH, but not POP3/IMAP .. maybe you'd use dovecot for that, etc .. |
| 18:04.21 | abrotman | so, there is no single app |
| 18:04.25 | galex-713 | I’m only talking about SMTPauth/POP3 and IMAP, so just Dovecot for example |
| 18:04.31 | Lenn1e | did anybody know, how to measure: when i read sometginf from file - how much is taken from memory (cached), and how much is real from hdd ? |
| 18:04.33 | abrotman | dovecot doesn't do SMTP |
| 18:04.35 | Lenn1e | or if tools like iostat, iotop show just real hdd acces (i dont think...), or hdd+mem |
| 18:04.43 | abrotman | galex-713: i can keep telling you this ... |
| 18:04.53 | galex-713 | abrotman, I was talking about *authentification* |
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| 18:05.03 | galex-713 | And yes, dovecot can do auth for postfix |
| 18:05.06 | abrotman | galex-713: tfor which service? |
| 18:05.10 | xand | galex-713: it's authentication, and then you want something like a pam module? |
| 18:05.10 | galex-713 | Mail |
| 18:05.36 | galex-713 | abrotman, I’ve already a mail server which use postfix and dovecot |
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| 18:05.47 | abrotman | sounds like you're all set to go, good ulck |
| 18:05.48 | abrotman | luck |
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| 18:05.54 | galex-713 | But I want to switch to exim and a simple equivalent to dovecot |
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| 18:06.05 | abrotman | no, you can use dovecot |
| 18:06.09 | galex-713 | I want to find the simpler/easier way to set up a server mail |
| 18:06.29 | xand | galex-713: exim4-daemon-heavy has everything for authenticated smtp I believe |
| 18:06.34 | galex-713 | Ah ok |
| 18:06.37 | abrotman | dovecot+exim works just fine |
| 18:06.42 | galex-713 | Ok |
| 18:06.51 | xand | it uses a pam module |
| 18:07.05 | xand | or do you want to use some other user database |
| 18:07.09 | galex-713 | And all dovecot equivalents are equally easy to install? |
| 18:07.18 | abrotman | no, they're different |
| 18:07.25 | abrotman | some aharder, some easier |
| 18:07.35 | galex-713 | Ah ok |
| 18:07.44 | abrotman | each has its own problems. P{erhaps you shold setup a VM and try them |
| 18:07.44 | galex-713 | Which are the easier to set up? |
| 18:07.53 | abrotman | the one you can get to work, right ? |
| 18:07.59 | galex-713 | Yep… |
| 18:08.07 | abrotman | so get experimenting |
| 18:08.13 | galex-713 | But the simpler… |
| 18:08.18 | abrotman | try them and see |
| 18:08.19 | xand | found dovecot very simple to setup |
| 18:08.31 | abrotman | xand: you're also able to read documentation |
| 18:08.36 | galex-713 | It’s to then teach people to install their mail server |
| 18:08.52 | galex-713 | So I want to find the easier/simpler way to do it |
| 18:09.06 | xand | people wanting to be sysadmins should learn to do it properly |
| 18:09.18 | xand | before they go flooding the internet with open relays and other problems |
| 18:09.18 | abrotman | starting with reading docs ... |
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| 18:10.08 | galex-713 | It’s for people who don’t are very interrested in computing… |
| 18:10.32 | abrotman | what? |
| 18:10.42 | galex-713 | I thought Exim was enough simple to install on Debian since you can do that at installation with a GUI |
| 18:10.43 | xand | I doubt they'd want to setup a mail server then |
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| 18:11.09 | galex-713 | Well… to decentralize, become independant from google things, etc. |
| 18:11.15 | sianios | hello people, i need your help, i want to remove a list of packages in a file, i know there is a command that takes everything from the file and by using aptitude removes the packages but can't find the command, anyone please can help? |
| 18:11.23 | galex-713 | Would be great if everybody had its own mail server |
| 18:11.28 | abrotman | no |
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| 18:11.43 | galex-713 | Like in FreedomBox project |
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| 18:11.53 | galex-713 | No to what? |
| 18:11.55 | Suhosin | galex-713: Yes, own mail server, own DNS server |
| 18:11.57 | Suhosin | Would be ideal |
| 18:12.01 | galex-713 | Yep |
| 18:12.07 | abrotman | no |
| 18:12.19 | abrotman | because as you've so quickly demonstrated, not everyone is capable of running a server |
| 18:12.20 | galex-713 | Why? |
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| 18:12.39 | Suhosin | abrotman: Running bind and postfix/dovecot is hardly difficult :/ |
| 18:12.42 | galex-713 | Because currently there is several things to configure |
| 18:12.48 | galex-713 | Not so |
| 18:12.51 | abrotman | Suhosin: tell that to galex-713 .. he's refusing to read documentation |
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| 18:13.08 | galex-713 | I didn’t told that |
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| 18:13.35 | galex-713 | I already set a postfix/dovecot and bind on my server successfully |
| 18:13.35 | Suhosin | galex-713: postfix & dovecot is the easy way to set up a mailserver |
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| 18:13.43 | galex-713 | The easier? |
| 18:13.46 | galex-713 | Not Exim ? |
| 18:13.50 | galex-713 | *Exim? |
| 18:14.05 | abrotman | Try it and see, don't take his word for it |
| 18:14.13 | abrotman | try actually learning .. |
| 18:14.22 | Suhosin | I found postfix/dovecot easier |
| 18:14.29 | Suhosin | But yeah, try things |
| 18:14.32 | Suhosin | See what works for you |
| 18:14.40 | Suhosin | Everyone's needs and skillsets are different |
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| 18:14.43 | galex-713 | I just wanted to ask if I could get information so I don’t have to try everything |
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| 18:14.51 | abrotman | !fish |
| 18:14.51 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which documentation to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
| 18:14.53 | Suhosin | Trying everything is good. |
| 18:15.11 | oo_miguel | Is it somehow ensured, that 2 different programmms do not create a file with the same name in my home? |
| 18:15.12 | Aquaword | hi, installing 7.2 do I need all the three dvds (images) to download ? |
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| 18:15.23 | oo_miguel | I see files like ".recently-used" there |
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| 18:15.39 | Suhosin | Aquaword: You're better off using netinst unless you have metered bandwidth |
| 18:15.46 | oo_miguel | I also would love to find out which files were creeated by what programms/packages |
| 18:15.51 | Aquaword | Suhosin: ok thx |
| 18:16.05 | Aquaword | Suhosin: even for virtualbox installing? |
| 18:16.20 | galex-713 | abrotman, well, at the beginning I just wanted to know if there would a default MDA on Debian |
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| 18:16.33 | galex-713 | Since I didn’t find that anything |
| 18:16.35 | galex-713 | *found |
| 18:16.40 | Suhosin | Aquaword: Yes |
| 18:16.56 | abrotman | galex-713: what does it matter? the deafult may not be the easiest that you seeek |
| 18:17.05 | Suhosin | galex-713: Even if there is a default, it doesn't make it best for your use. |
| 18:17.14 | galex-713 | It’s a very basic use |
| 18:17.23 | abrotman | then use what you already have |
| 18:17.33 | galex-713 | So they all cover my need |
| 18:17.56 | galex-713 | But it’s for the next time I want to install it, to a friend for example |
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| 18:18.12 | abrotman | galex-713: then you'll try them all and find the one that works best for that case, right ? |
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| 18:18.18 | galex-713 | Err… |
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| 18:18.30 | galex-713 | If that’s the only thing to do… |
| 18:18.38 | enriqueojedalara | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.40 | abrotman | it's the smart thing to do |
| 18:18.45 | abrotman | enriqueojedalara: change that password |
| 18:18.50 | galex-713 | The longer also |
| 18:18.52 | enriqueojedalara | sorry :D wrong window |
| 18:18.52 | abrotman | and pick a better one |
| 18:18.53 | enriqueojedalara | :p |
| 18:19.01 | abrotman | galex-713: then hire an admin .. stop being so lazy |
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| 18:19.16 | aguitel | i have old pc with:VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890CE/K8N890CE [Chrome 9] (rev 01) ,how install default driver ? |
| 18:19.18 | abrotman | either do it right, or let someone else do it |
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| 18:19.45 | galex-713 | abrotman, it’s because I’ve not enough time, not because I’m lazy |
| 18:19.52 | abrotman | then hire someone |
| 18:19.53 | enriqueojedalara | thanks abrotman :) |
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| 18:19.56 | Suhosin | galex-713: He could say it in a nicer way, but he's basically right. |
| 18:19.59 | abrotman | doing it wrong is how you get blacklisted and cut off from the internet |
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| 18:20.14 | abrotman | poorly configured mail servers are one of the worst things on the internet |
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| 18:20.29 | Suhosin | galex-713: Your choices are: a) hire an expert; b) be an expert; c) end up with a sub-optimal solution. This isn't just for mail, it's for most things in life. |
| 18:20.37 | galex-713 | Mine only accept authenticated or local relay |
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| 18:21.23 | galex-713 | Suhosin, currently aren’t mail servers already configured when you set up them in Debian? |
| 18:21.30 | galex-713 | normally |
| 18:21.30 | abrotman | no |
| 18:21.41 | galex-713 | Ok, so that’s just for local use |
| 18:21.51 | abrotman | if you take the default, they will only receive and send mail locally (such as exim's default in Debian) |
| 18:21.53 | napsc | without open relays, how would i know about Nigerian princes wanting to give me my money?? :O |
| 18:22.06 | abrotman | napsc: compromised accounts |
| 18:22.31 | Suhosin | napsc: Easy to macro free mail signups |
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| 18:22.56 | jelly-home | galex-713: as a lazy mail admin, keep using the solution you already have in place, until it's not good enough |
| 18:23.24 | galex-713 | Not lazy, just a lot of others things to try and set up |
| 18:23.27 | Suhosin | jelly-home: Good advice as long as you know when it's not good enough, and don't find out the hard way. |
| 18:23.28 | abrotman | it sounds ike he has a sufficient solution, not sure why he's looking to change |
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| 18:24.06 | galex-713 | To better learn Exim and potentially a easier MDA to install if there is |
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| 18:24.12 | jelly-home | galex-713: I meant, "take an advice from a lazy mail admin" |
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| 18:24.21 | galex-713 | jelly-home, ah ok ^^ |
| 18:24.22 | Suhosin | galex-713: If you want to learn exim, install exim |
| 18:24.31 | jelly-home | but your interpretation is valid as well |
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| 18:24.52 | galex-713 | Yes, but I was talking about MDA at the beginning |
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| 18:25.04 | abrotman | MTA? |
| 18:25.25 | jelly-home | Ah, the MDA. disable procmail unless you know exactly what you're doing. Debian has some silly defaults for Postfix. |
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| 18:25.46 | galex-713 | jelly-home, it already is |
| 18:25.51 | abrotman | galex-713: are you actually using a separate MDA? |
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| 18:26.02 | abrotman | or rather, doing things with it? |
| 18:26.10 | aguitel | i have old pc with:VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890CE/K8N890CE [Chrome 9] (rev 01) ,how install default driver ? |
| 18:26.21 | galex-713 | abrotman, yes of course. Why, there is a package that contain MDA+MTA? |
| 18:26.22 | madmac2501 | i don't understand why i have "d-i apt-setup/use_mirror boolean false" in a preseed file but the installer keeps asking for a mirror |
| 18:26.27 | abrotman | galex-713: postfix's MDA is pretty simple unless you're trying to manipulate things |
| 18:26.30 | madmac2501 | someone could help me¿ |
| 18:26.37 | abrotman | galex-713: do you know what MDA and MTA are? |
| 18:26.41 | galex-713 | OH, wait |
| 18:26.50 | galex-713 | Just a mistake |
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| 18:27.13 | galex-713 | How is called the package which do POP3 and IMAP? |
| 18:27.31 | jelly-home | pop3 and imap servers or services. |
| 18:27.46 | abrotman | they are separate daemons |
| 18:27.46 | galex-713 | Ah, ok, I thought there was a specific abbreviation |
| 18:27.50 | galex-713 | Yes |
| 18:28.08 | galex-713 | So, I was talking about POP3/IMAP services, not MTA |
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| 18:28.13 | abrotman | yes, they have abbriviations, IMAPD, POP3D :) |
| 18:28.17 | abrotman | i can't type ... |
| 18:28.47 | abrotman | dovecot does the imap/pop parts just fine, and is probably one of the easiest to use |
| 18:28.54 | jelly-home | +1 |
| 18:29.08 | galex-713 | Ah, that’s the answer I was asking for from the beginning =D |
| 18:29.10 | abrotman | galex-713: it depends on your specfic needs |
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| 18:29.19 | galex-713 | Just basic needs |
| 18:29.25 | abrotman | galex-713: such as Cyrus does some interesting things with Shared foldering that Dovecot does not |
| 18:29.34 | abrotman | Courier is pretty dead simple also |
| 18:29.46 | galex-713 | Ah? |
| 18:29.46 | galex-713 | Ok |
| 18:29.48 | abrotman | if you use uw-imap, baby jesus will cry |
| 18:30.04 | jelly-home | that means he's breathing? |
| 18:30.12 | abrotman | are you sure he's not? :) |
| 18:30.15 | galex-713 | So since there is so simple-to-install POP3/IMAPD, I will chose after licence ^^ |
| 18:30.26 | abrotman | is so? |
| 18:30.44 | abrotman | dovecot and courier are equally braindead I would say |
| 18:31.00 | jelly-home | will refrain from commenting further on this topic |
| 18:31.19 | jelly-home | it all sounds like "I want to do extra work for no discernible benefit" |
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| 18:32.16 | abrotman | pretty much |
| 18:32.21 | napsc | jelly-home: that's how I describe my career |
| 18:32.35 | abrotman | jelly-home: and without doing an actual research |
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| 18:33.26 | galex-713 | Oh, Courier does SMTP *and* POP3/IMAPD =D |
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| 18:33.46 | abrotman | good luck |
| 18:34.12 | galex-713 | thanks :) |
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| 18:41.28 | sk1pper | hi all, i have a log file from where I want to extract the values of some variables, a=23 ab=324 fa=0. I am really not good in using sed, any idea of how the regex should be for this script? |
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| 18:42.25 | abrotman | there is a #sed |
| 18:42.28 | nosklo | sk1pper: #regex #sed |
| 18:42.31 | nullbytez | can anyone tell me if that website works, http://corelan.es/ is from a friend i having problems with my web service. ty in advance |
| 18:42.34 | abrotman | or use awk |
| 18:42.47 | abrotman | nullbytez: there's a website for that |
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| 18:42.57 | nullbytez | ok |
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| 18:43.06 | nullbytez | sorry :S |
| 18:43.10 | sk1pper | okay thanks, i will try there |
| 18:43.25 | abrotman | nullbytez: downforeveryoneorjeustme.com |
| 18:43.28 | nosklo | nullbytez: http://isitup.org/corelan.es |
| 18:43.36 | nullbytez | ty |
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| 18:44.10 | nullbytez | ty abrotman and nosklo |
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| 18:45.20 | Benkinooby | hi, according to https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/TargetedHardware odroid is unsuitable - is that still the case? |
| 18:45.39 | meshuggah | hey, where can i find a driver for an ethernet cable? |
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| 18:46.10 | abrotman | meshuggah: cables don't have a driver, ethernet cards would |
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| 18:46.30 | meshuggah | o_O thank |
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| 18:47.40 | abrotman | meshuggah: did you need to follow up with another question ? |
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| 18:48.28 | meshuggah | abrotman, i will open my computer case first to check the model of my inthernet card |
| 18:48.32 | meshuggah | ethernet* |
| 18:48.40 | meshuggah | thank |
| 18:48.42 | abrotman | meshuggah: lspci -n |
| 18:48.46 | abrotman | erm .. -nn |
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| 18:51.01 | galex-713 | On Debian, Dovecot is configured to use GnuTLS or OpenSSL? |
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| 18:51.57 | abrotman | check the dependences and find out for yourself |
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| 18:53.07 | galex-713 | Oh, just found dovecot --build-optiions |
| 18:53.10 | galex-713 | *optinos |
| 18:53.12 | galex-713 | *options |
| 18:53.16 | galex-713 | It’s OpenSSL… |
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| 18:54.45 | galex-713 | Why on Debian all is configured to use OpenSSL instead of GnuTLS? |
| 18:55.14 | galex-713 | Is OpenSSL more secure? Does it have more interesting features than GnuTLS? |
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| 18:59.44 | wjtaylor | how do I mount with fuse? |
| 19:00.07 | petern_ | galex-713, primarily their APIs are not compatible, so switching isn't just linking to the other library. |
| 19:00.07 | phy1729 | Where do I add the url boot parameter for preseeding? |
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| 19:00.36 | galex-713 | petern_, but a lot of packages already support it |
| 19:01.09 | galex-713 | But the Debian precompiled version is built with “--with-ssl=openssl” instead of “--with-ssl=gnutls” |
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| 19:03.38 | galex-713 | That’s the case for Apache, Dovecot, Exim, Courier… |
| 19:03.44 | galex-713 | All default to OpenSSL |
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| 19:05.16 | petern_ | galex-713, http://markmail.org/message/weur6nl3ibjm2xcw |
| 19:05.32 | petern_ | That's one reason why Dovecot doesn't use gnutls in Debian... |
| 19:05.55 | galex-713 | Oh… |
| 19:06.00 | galex-713 | Ok |
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| 19:07.00 | jelly-home | why gnutls? Why not polarssl? Or nss? Or cake? |
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| 19:07.22 | galex-713 | Err, minor differences |
| 19:07.37 | jhutchins_wk | !enter |
| 19:07.38 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 19:07.43 | jelly-home | likes cake |
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| 19:12.08 | galex-713 | First the two most used SSL/TLS lib I know are OpenSSL and GnuTLS, then because of the licence (GNU GPLv3 better protect against freedom issues), there’s also some features of GnuTLS I think OpenSSL don’t support (using a PGP key instead of a X.509 cert, using a Web of Trust instead of authorities), and finally GnuTLS is (was, but still has the most of advantages of it) a GNU Project, so it follows the GNU Coding Standards, is juridical |
| 19:12.08 | galex-713 | ly more protected, and get all the coherence that GNU packages have between them. |
| 19:12.33 | galex-713 | jelly-home, ^ |
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| 19:13.34 | galex-713 | Also the importance I give to all these things is completly subjective and I think my support to GNU projects and its ideas also count |
| 19:13.35 | petern_ | It's also had a pretty unstable API making adoption poor. |
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| 19:14.36 | galex-713 | It seems so, unfortunatly |
| 19:14.46 | galex-713 | There is probably reasons for that… |
| 19:14.51 | galex-713 | *are |
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| 19:15.19 | rryoumaa | is there a command to get the list of pathnames in a package that is not installed? i am trying to find out whether the binary for 0ad requires the 0ad package, which is uninstallable in wheezy if you install wheezy backports versions of 0ad-data* |
| 19:15.29 | abrotman | rryoumaa: apt-file |
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| 19:16.26 | rryoumaa | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:16.50 | rryoumaa | it does seem as if 0ad in backports is broken |
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| 19:17.15 | rryoumaa | (and 0ad in wheezy is broken also, which is why i tried to install the backports version) |
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| 19:18.56 | wjtaylor | I have a deb 6 install that needs the gpg sig to update the apt sources. How can I do this? |
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| 19:21.13 | pbodymind | yay |
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| 19:21.57 | pbodymind | still using bumblebee? what are the solutions? |
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| 19:37.46 | phy1729 | When installing in virtual box, I add the boot flag url=10.0.2.2/preseed.cfg then hit enter a few (3?) times for the defaults but when loading the packages the screen goes black and says Killed at the bottom; the fourth screen is filled with "retrieving <foo pkg>" and "corrupted status flag!!" Ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 19:39.15 | niteye | in wheezy, i can no longer play files from a samba share for some reason |
| 19:39.22 | niteye | VLC just says "cannot open file:///blabla" |
| 19:39.33 | niteye | adn the gnome player hangs a lot |
| 19:39.53 | buu | niteye: Where is the share mounted? |
| 19:40.38 | niteye | on my NAS, it works in windows, on linux i do "nautilus smb://IP", and for browsing files and looking at pictures it works |
| 19:40.58 | niteye | but VLC doesnt like it it seems |
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| 19:50.17 | phy1729 | Is there a hash for debian-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso I think my copy is corrupt. |
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| 19:52.13 | abrotman | phy1729: md5sums in the directory you got it |
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| 19:53.42 | phy1729 | hrm that checks out; I keep getting kernel panics when installing though |
| 19:54.05 | bp_ | Hello. I have a little bit of a quandary. I'm writing a software feature that relies on other features added in other software - specifically, QEMU 1.3. My testing environment is Debian Wheezy. Is there any ever-so-slightly sane way to make this happen? |
| 19:54.24 | xand | hmm, using "inet6" in /etc/network/interfaces on kfreebsd version of debian leads to angry error messages |
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| 19:57.05 | bp_ | right now I'm looking at either "manually download and recompile a large fraction of packages manually" or "add sid to my sources.list then selectively upgrade a few packages... such as libc6" |
| 19:57.16 | bp_ | -packages +the system |
| 19:57.42 | bp_ | Either way I don't think I end up with a working system. |
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| 20:05.53 | Klaus_Dieter | bp_: you could do this in a chroot that will give you at least a chance of re-try without setting up your whole system |
| 20:06.22 | Klaus_Dieter | bp_: you could even set up a new plain "sid" in there. |
| 20:06.23 | mumpitzel | ,v qemu |
| 20:06.24 | judd | Package: qemu on i386 -- squeeze: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 1.1.2+dfsg-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a; wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a; sid: 1.6.0+dfsg-2 |
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| 20:07.19 | Klaus_Dieter | bp_: I use this approach to run x86 software on my arm host. |
| 20:07.47 | abrotman | wouldn't qemu1.3 possibly require different kernel functionality ? |
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| 20:08.02 | Klaus_Dieter | bp_: using a custom-built qemu of course ;) it is extremely slow but I do not care since atd is managing all teh batch jobs and each job is done when it is done. |
| 20:08.05 | mumpitzel | abrotman: with a backports kernel this should be the easiest part, no? |
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| 20:08.25 | Klaus_Dieter | abrotman: it really does depend on the use case. |
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| 20:08.40 | abrotman | FIIK, just a comment |
| 20:09.04 | Klaus_Dieter | fiik? |
| 20:09.09 | bp_ | abrotman: I figured that qemu is purely userspace, with the kernel modules being in KVM |
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| 20:09.44 | abrotman | bp_: doesn't mean that userspace doesn't depend on a kernel fn ction |
| 20:09.48 | abrotman | jeez i can't type |
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| 20:12.29 | jhutchins_wk | xand: Yeah, ipv6 pisses everybody off. Supposed to save the world and it's just another fiddly bit. |
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| 20:13.28 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions qemu |
| 20:13.29 | bp_ | Klaus_Dieter: yeah, this is going to be kind of ugly because I'll have to modify the program just to make sure it runs, but it beats releasing something never tested before. |
| 20:13.29 | judd | Package: qemu on i386 -- squeeze: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 1.1.2+dfsg-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a; wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a; sid: 1.6.0+dfsg-2 |
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| 20:14.18 | xand | jhutchins_wk: it doesn't piss me off, rather the lack of support for it does :p |
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| 20:28.22 | littlebit | hi people I'am trying configure samba with a tdbsam backend and this is my configuration: http://pastebin.com/BJifX4ts |
| 20:28.22 | littlebit | The problem is that I have no problem in accessing the public folder and writing and deleting files. but i cannot access the home folder of my registered user, or any user that I create. |
| 20:28.22 | littlebit | I got the instructions from here: http://www.howtoforge.com/debian-wheezy-standalone-server-with-tdbsam-backend |
| 20:28.22 | littlebit | Can someone help? |
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| 20:28.45 | bool | I have never understood why distros choose to patch software and kernels while others run vanilla. What is wrong with vanilla? What do patches add that vanilla don't have? |
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| 20:33.58 | Guest58285 | can i have help with my tablet |
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| 20:34.49 | ompaul | bool: think of it this way, you have a system that works, you have a bug that is found, you backport the fix to keep your running system running because you can't test your full package set against the new kernel - that's one reason there are others but frankly the idea of a stable system is that you fix brokenness not install new stuff |
| 20:34.53 | Guest58285 | \give |
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| 20:35.24 | ompaul | Guest58285: can you tell people what you have, what chipset it is, and what it is you think you want to do, what you have done to achieve this, and what happened |
| 20:35.29 | Guest58285 | sorry im playing minecraft |
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| 20:36.04 | bool | but when new versions of vanilla software is released, it is mostly because they fix bugs? why do they fix the bugs independently of each other? |
| 20:36.27 | Guest58285 | a raspberry pi is not terning on help |
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| 20:36.45 | ompaul | !rasberian |
| 20:36.50 | ompaul | !raspberian |
| 20:37.00 | ompaul | looks at the bot |
| 20:37.09 | bool | why not get the vanilla software that has bugfixes instead of using an old version of the program and then try to pach it separatly if the newer vanilla version has fixed the bug? |
| 20:37.50 | tremon | !raspbian |
| 20:37.51 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 20:38.09 | Guest58285 | it sayed debian |
| 20:38.12 | ompaul | bool: because you don't do that in a debian distro - run something else if that is what you want to do, look at http://www.debian.org/releases/ and be happier |
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| 20:38.36 | ompaul | Guest58285: not enough debian something changed between that box and debian and we don't know what |
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| 20:39.00 | bool | it looks like reinventing the wheel is what debian does then |
| 20:39.04 | Guest58285 | how do login as root user |
| 20:39.41 | tremon | bool: then don't use debian. No one is making you |
| 20:39.51 | ompaul | bool: in your estimation, but not in mine. |
| 20:40.04 | ompaul | bool: and nobody here will defend it any more than that to you |
| 20:40.15 | Guest58285 | i like it |
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| 20:40.38 | ompaul | Guest58285: please join the channel referred to in the factoid from dpkg |
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| 20:40.59 | Guest58285 | ? |
| 20:41.04 | bp_ | ...aaaaand easy_install is broken in the chroot. Yay for not breaking my entire system |
| 20:41.15 | ompaul | Guest58285: please type /join #raspbian |
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| 20:42.56 | ompaul | bp_: https://workaround.org/easy-install-debian |
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| 20:45.17 | Klaus_Dieter | bp_: :) |
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| 20:51.06 | ment0s | Hello |
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| 20:51.50 | jelly-home | bool: to have a chance of not introducing new bugs, a distro like debian has to keep stable APIs and ABIs |
| 20:52.39 | jelly-home | bool: new upstream versions of software are often subtly incompatible and very likely to break either source or binary compatibility |
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| 20:54.09 | local | If I put a file in /etc/cron.d which looks like an usual crontab entry, will that be automatically loaded/run although it is within /etc/cron.d ? Or maybe I have first to enable this directory somehow?? I have written a file there, which should be executed every 5minutes and so it starts with */5 blablabla ... but it's never executed |
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| 20:55.11 | Guest58285 | lol i can troll my frend with that |
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| 20:57.31 | jelly-home | local: what _exactly_ does your job line look like? Read the comments in EXAMPLE SYSTEM CRON FILE in man 5 crontab. In short, don't forget the username column. |
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| 21:04.01 | Leoneof | 'thunar' does not mount internal partitions properly, For example, it mounts /dev/sdax to /media/<user>/Partition instead of /media/Partition , how to fix this? |
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| 21:08.54 | n3glv | Hi guys, I have an app (flashplugin-installer) that pesters me to update and can't, can someone tell me where the list is for the updater? |
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| 21:09.00 | n3glv | can I hand edit it? |
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| 21:10.32 | bool | jelly-home: thanks for a more informative answer :) |
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| 21:15.57 | bp_ | ompaul: I'm painfully aware and I wouldn't have used if it was packaged in the repos :) |
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| 21:24.22 | ompaul | bp_: it is not there for a reason perhaps? |
| 21:24.42 | ompaul | bp_: I left out the word good :) |
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| 21:25.57 | bp_ | ompaul: no idea! All I know is that https://pypi.python.org/pypi/affinity is a dependency of some sort. |
| 21:26.07 | NetEcho | I'm having some trouble with openssh not allowing outside connections - I have verified that the ports are open and working can anyone help with this? |
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| 21:26.39 | ompaul | NetEcho: can you nmap from outside and see if it is there first? |
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| 21:27.19 | NetEcho | ompaul: no other linux system handy atm but I can connect internally and I have also tried running other daemons on that port without issue (have switched them back to their normal ports and restarted) |
| 21:28.34 | ompaul | NetEcho: so then perhaps IF your isp allows external port 22 connections you have a firewall issue else I think we would see a lot of this, when you are next remote from location do this ssh -vvv whatever.the.ip.is |
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| 21:28.54 | local | jelly-home: that was exactly what I missed --> the username :) THANK YOU so much |
| 21:29.21 | NetEcho | ompaul: on the same system I can shut sshd down and start up apache on port 22 no problem |
| 21:29.57 | phy1729 | The sample preseed.cfg linked to in Appendix B.2 of the manual has "d-i mirror/http/hostname string http.us.debian.org" should that be "choose-mirror-bin mirror/http/hostname string foo" ? |
| 21:29.58 | ompaul | NetEcho: and how do you see the port 22 connection, is it from outside? |
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| 21:30.56 | NetEcho | ompaul: to test I shut down sshd and start apache on port 22 and then connect using my external ip on that port |
| 21:31.29 | ompaul | NetEcho: from where, from the local box, that is nothing more than a localhost connection |
| 21:31.48 | ompaul | NetEcho: remote is the only way to actually test |
| 21:31.56 | NetEcho | ompaul: no from this machine |
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| 21:32.18 | ompaul | NetEcho: so as I said no more useful than a localhost connection |
| 21:32.35 | NetEcho | ompaul: this machine isn't the machine running it |
| 21:32.39 | ompaul | if you can't get in from outside I suggest you can't do so for good reason, a firewall |
| 21:33.00 | ompaul | NetEcho: all the more reason to think you have a firewall issue in that case |
| 21:33.02 | NetEcho | ompaul: outside connections on that port aren't being firewalled only sshd is acting up |
| 21:33.19 | ompaul | NetEcho: yet you can connect locally |
| 21:33.57 | jhutchins_wk | NetEcho: Did you paste sshd_config |
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| 21:34.33 | ompaul | NetEcho: I have trouble working though the logic of how such a setup, as the classic phrase from some fictional computer in the 1970s went "does not compute" ;-) |
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| 21:34.42 | jhutchins_wk | !paste |
| 21:34.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 21:34.55 | guest43242 | whre is xfce4-xfapplet-plugin ? |
| 21:34.59 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: local connections no problem remote problems ... |
| 21:35.16 | jhutchins_wk | ompaul: Listen, allow-from... |
| 21:35.16 | NetEcho | ompaul: if I run apache on that port and connect from an external source it works. if I then shut down apache and fire up sshd on that port I can no longer connect |
| 21:35.50 | jhutchins_wk | NetEcho: Got that. sshd_conf |
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| 21:36.01 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: point, but if you are claiming such a problem you don't use this stuff no claims to a special setup were made (but as you said, point! :)) |
| 21:36.32 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: obviously (almost) not you :) |
| 21:36.32 | NetEcho | jhutchins_wk: http://pastebin.com/R4nHVi7Y |
| 21:36.49 | WormFood | I'm trying to get screen to run at startup, as the root user, with all of the normal root env set. I can't seem to figure it out. if I just run screen, it starts in / if I start it with "su - ", it doesn't start at all. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 21:37.11 | jhutchins_wk | Sigh. Flag the ipcop one more time... |
| 21:37.27 | WormFood | I can't think of anything else sane to try |
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| 21:40.36 | jhutchins_wk | NetEcho: On a squeeze system, I don't have lines 87-92. Humor me: Comment them out, restart, see what happens. |
| 21:40.57 | jhutchins_wk | NetEcho: Also, use -vvv on the client. |
| 21:41.05 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: not on sid either and it's ok NetEcho is looking for help on #linux at this time |
| 21:41.53 | jhutchins_wk | WormFood: How are you trying to get it to run at startup? |
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| 21:42.11 | WormFood | in /etc/rc.local |
| 21:42.21 | jhutchins_wk | WormFood: Are you backgrounding it? |
| 21:42.25 | WormFood | yeah |
| 21:42.30 | WormFood | I think I got it working now |
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| 21:42.43 | jhutchins_wk | WormFood: So the idea is to have a running session you can attach to, right? |
| 21:42.43 | WormFood | I didn't add the right option to su |
| 21:42.44 | NetEcho | jhutchins_wk: 1 min just running another test |
| 21:42.48 | WormFood | correct |
| 21:42.53 | jhutchins_wk | NetEcho: np. |
| 21:43.05 | WormFood | but my ~/.screenrc has my commands to run |
| 21:43.11 | eduhat | im thinking of moving from Arch to Debian, only thing that sort of worries me is the frozen releases. Any reason not to be worried about it? |
| 21:43.23 | jhutchins_wk | WormFood: rc.local should be running as root, but not in a shell. |
| 21:43.49 | NetEcho | jhutchins_wk: nada |
| 21:44.07 | WormFood | correct. It runs in / |
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| 21:44.22 | WormFood | with no environment set...which I want set for my screen command |
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| 21:45.03 | WormFood | is there something like a per-user rc.local file, that runs at system startup? Best I can figure is a cron entry, as that user |
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| 21:45.36 | jhutchins_wk | NetEcho: No clues in /var/log/auth.log? |
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| 21:45.49 | WormFood | now this is really weird....I reboot, and my screen session runs...my program runs as expected....I connect with screen, and it kills my program....I don't get it. |
| 21:46.01 | NetEcho | jhutchins_wk: no clues anywhere it's almost like the router dislikes ssh only lol |
| 21:46.21 | WormFood | and it seemed to work perfectly this time....really weird |
| 21:46.21 | jhutchins_wk | NetEcho: Reset the router. |
| 21:46.43 | NetEcho | jhutchins_wk: I'm testin DMZ then I will try that |
| 21:46.53 | jhutchins_wk | NetEcho: with the -vvv option, how does it fail? |
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| 21:47.22 | NetEcho | jhutchins_wk: I'm using putty from an outside system connection timed out |
| 21:48.04 | NetEcho | restarting |
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| 21:57.24 | gregor3005 | hi, i need some help with a encrypted root partition with a keyfile. i get "cryptsetup: warning: target system uses a key fil, skipped" when i run "update-initramfs -u -k all" |
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| 22:16.20 | eduhat | im thinking of moving from Arch to Debian, only thing that sort of worries me is the frozen releases. Any reason not to be worried about it? |
| 22:17.54 | jhutchins_wk | eduhat: If it bothers you that somebody else might have a bigger version number for their package, that could be a problem. |
| 22:18.03 | jhutchins_wk | eduhat: If you just want a system that works, it's great. |
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| 22:26.42 | eduhat | jhutchins_wk: the install just finished. I think I will like it even though I was absolutely hooked to Arch |
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| 22:29.28 | jhutchins_wk | eduhat: Good luck with it then! |
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| 22:32.46 | eduhat | jhutchins_wk: thanks! |
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| 22:33.14 | grammoboy | installing debian testing from netinstall cd |
| 22:33.26 | grammoboy | grub couldn't be installed on /dev/sda |
| 22:33.39 | grammoboy | now it boots with a grub prompt |
| 22:33.45 | eb0t | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.59 | grammoboy | what should I do? |
| 22:34.01 | babilen | grammoboy: Don't use the testing installer and install wheezy first. Take it from there. |
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| 22:34.34 | grammoboy | hm so do it all over again? |
| 22:35.15 | guest43242 | where is xfce4-xfapplet-plugin ? |
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| 22:35.20 | babilen | grammoboy: Well, you could try fixing it, but we have no idea what else is broken. Really, nobody should expect the testing installer to work at this point in the release cycle. |
| 22:35.39 | babilen | guest43242: Removed post-squeeze |
| 22:35.51 | eduhat | in debian is there a way to remove a package and all its dependencies that are not needing by any other packages? |
| 22:36.07 | eduhat | s/needing/needed |
| 22:36.39 | babilen | eduhat: "aptitude purge PKG" or "apt-get --purge autoremove PKG" or "apt-get purge PKG ; apt-get --purge autoremove" |
| 22:36.55 | eduhat | babilen: ok, thanks. |
| 22:36.56 | zykotick9 | eduhat: aptitude does this by default when removing packages, with apt-get run "apt-get autoremove" after |
| 22:37.19 | zykotick9 | babilen: apt-get accepts purge these days "apt-get purge foo" type thing |
| 22:37.33 | babilen | eduhat: Remove the "--purge" or s/purge/remove if you don't want to purge |
| 22:37.48 | babilen | zykotick9: Not for autoremove |
| 22:37.58 | babilen | (or is there a autopurge?) |
| 22:38.08 | zykotick9 | babilen: oh sorry, I need to read better! |
| 22:38.38 | eduhat | ok so what is the difference between purge and autoremove? |
| 22:38.41 | babilen | zykotick9: the second and third command are equivalent btw, found that out by mistake and like it since then |
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| 22:39.36 | babilen | eduhat: "remove" and "purge" remove or purges a single package. "autoremove" removes all unneeded packages and an additional "--purge" causes them to be purged instead of removed |
| 22:39.58 | babilen | eduhat: "man apt-get" ;) |
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| 22:41.49 | eduhat | babilen: will do :) |
| 22:41.58 | eduhat | babilen: currently working on getting my mouse working... |
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| 22:42.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell grammoboy -about fixmbr |
| 22:42.55 | babilen | grammoboy: But then I would recommend to actually reinstall ; who knows what else is lurking? |
| 22:43.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell grammoboy -about wheezy->jessie |
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| 22:48.38 | Greek-Boy | My hosting provider setup a new Debian 7.2 installation for me but during the install they selected all the services (Web server, print server, database server, DNS server, etc). This result in a lot of packages that I do not want, I prefer to have a clean base install. Is there some way to unintall "services" by using dpkg-reconfigure or do I have to dpkg -l and manually uninstall the unwanted |
| 22:48.38 | Greek-Boy | packages? I'm hoping that there is a way for the first one... |
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| 22:50.17 | phy1729 | Greek-Boy: if memory serves you can run tasksel as root and uncheck the stuff you don't want |
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| 22:51.23 | Greek-Boy | phy1729: You are so right... It worked. Thank you very much. :-) |
| 22:51.31 | Greek-Boy | I feel luck such a newb right now. lol |
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| 23:11.20 | blackjack | guys |
| 23:11.28 | blackjack | what are good UI for debian |
| 23:12.29 | dark_node | Like WM/DE? |
| 23:13.25 | dark_node | If that is what you mean blackjack, then I would recommend openbox or i3. |
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| 23:13.58 | themill | blackjack: there are many -- you should try some until you find one you like |
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| 23:22.08 | blackjack | themill, are you aware of what dark_node suggested, openbox or i3? |
| 23:22.16 | blackjack | how does it compare to linux mint? |
| 23:23.19 | themill | "linux mint" is not a GUI. |
| 23:23.59 | blackjack | oops sorry. i thought it was also a debian GUI |
| 23:24.01 | blackjack | lol |
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| 23:25.08 | zykotick9 | blackjack: DE/WM selection, is a VERY persoanl choice. try some, find one you like... i think someone already suggsted this ;) |
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| 23:25.27 | Dan39 | no it is what i like |
| 23:25.52 | Dan39 | why they make others is beyond me |
| 23:25.55 | Dan39 | D:< |
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| 23:26.58 | Dan39 | blackjack: gnome and kde are the 2 big popular ones. lighter ones are gaining more hold tho like xfce4 i quite like, or openbox, and then for certain things tiling is awesome |
| 23:27.46 | Maspry_ | hey all |
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| 23:32.44 | blackjack | openbox sounds cool |
| 23:32.47 | blackjack | maybe ill try that |
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| 23:33.05 | blackjack | by the way, linux mint is debian too? or ubuntu? |
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| 23:33.33 | nonconvergent | blackjack: No. |
| 23:33.53 | blackjack | i heard it is based on debian/ubuntu |
| 23:34.04 | nonconvergent | Based on is not the same thing as "is" |
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| 23:34.28 | mtn | blackjack: debian->ubunut->mint |
| 23:34.31 | blackjack | so what is it really? |
| 23:34.36 | blackjack | i read wikipedia |
| 23:34.40 | blackjack | it says its based |
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| 23:35.18 | mtn | blackjack: if you read wikipedia, then you know the answers already ;) |
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| 23:35.23 | nonconvergent | blackjack: If I take a ford, and replace the engine with a toyota, is it still a ford? |
| 23:35.28 | blackjack | you mean from debian it evolve into ubuntu and mint is the 3rd evolution? |
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| 23:35.39 | themill | mtn: actually, I don't think it's that clear any more -- they keep changing the details... but we're getting a long way from debian user support here |
| 23:36.01 | themill | blackjack: "evolution" or "random fiddling around and changing some wallpapers". Your call. |
| 23:36.09 | mtn | themill: I agree, but that was the "simple" answer for someone who doesn't want to read :P |
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| 23:36.36 | blackjack | themill: what im talking too ofcourse is the kernel |
| 23:36.43 | blackjack | if it has difference |
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| 23:36.57 | nonconvergent | The reality is it is a seperate product, altered from the original specifications. It may not mean much to an end user, but from the point of view of being able to offer support, it means everything. So no, Ubuntu is not Debian, nor is Mint, nor is Crunchbang, nor is Triskel, nor is... |
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| 23:37.32 | themill | blackjack: they're all just using the linux kernel with almost the same compilation options |
| 23:38.21 | blackjack | oh okay |
| 23:38.26 | blackjack | ill stick only to debian then |
| 23:38.33 | nonconvergent | blackjack: And Debian doesn't produce the kernel either. that's produced by the kernel team, headed up by torvalds |
| 23:38.42 | blackjack | i thought those others are debian derivative |
| 23:38.48 | nonconvergent | They are. |
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| 23:39.02 | nonconvergent | but a derivative is not the same as its antiderivative. |
| 23:39.09 | nonconvergent | Unless it's e^x |
| 23:39.10 | nonconvergent | :P |
| 23:39.27 | Dan39 | blackjack: openbox takes some setting up and whatnot to get it how you want |
| 23:39.29 | Dan39 | but not much |
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| 23:39.46 | Dan39 | i used it for over a year, was one of my favorite setups |
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| 23:40.01 | blackjack | Dan39 |
| 23:40.06 | blackjack | which is your favorite setup then? |
| 23:40.07 | echo083 | if i have no network card in my computer or network controler on my motherboard is it possible to create the localhost address 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 23:40.18 | Dan39 | blackjack: hmm hard to say |
| 23:40.26 | blackjack | i like good graphics and sound |
| 23:40.28 | blackjack | hehehe |
| 23:40.32 | Dan39 | im almost tempted to say kde 6 years ago |
| 23:40.36 | Dan39 | now its eh tho |
| 23:40.54 | Dan39 | i ran it kde with i think beryl or compiz-fusion |
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| 23:41.09 | Dan39 | on a p4 with 512mb ram it actually ran ok |
| 23:41.59 | Dan39 | havnt used either of the big DEs in many years ago. mostly i use xmonad now since ive been using a netbook and like to get the most use out of the tiny monitor :P |
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| 23:42.25 | Dan39 | and i got use to keyboard shortcuts, so now going to mouse for basic things gets annoying |
| 23:42.46 | Dan39 | this is kind of going offtopic tbh |
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| 23:47.43 | moondog | can I install wheezy on a Windows 8 UEFI system and expect to be able to dual boot? I get the impression from what I've read that UEFI support is rather iffy. |
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| 23:48.00 | abrotman | dpkg: tell moondog about uefi |
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| 23:49.31 | moondog | thanks abrotman |
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