| 00:00.14 | Gregor2 | good idea to make a fat32 as ftp server? |
| 00:00.31 | zykotick9 | william1: you have write permission on the directory |
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| 00:00.41 | Dan39 | Gregor2: no, fat16! |
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| 00:01.00 | Dan39 | /sarcasm |
| 00:01.02 | Gregor2 | why fat 16? |
| 00:01.12 | william1 | zykotick9: Thanks. I never knew that it worked out that way. |
| 00:01.13 | nonconvergent | Gregor2: No. |
| 00:01.14 | Dan39 | why fat at all? |
| 00:01.23 | Dan39 | whats wrong with ext4? :P |
| 00:01.29 | peterrooney | william1: writing to the files is not the same as moving a file. |
| 00:01.29 | Gregor2 | nothing! |
| 00:01.41 | peterrooney | ...or unlinking. |
| 00:01.44 | nonconvergent | Gregor2: It doesn't matter...pick one whose filesystem features and stability match your needs. |
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| 00:02.04 | nonconvergent | Gregor2: clients won't care how somethng is stored, just that it is stored. |
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| 00:02.22 | william1 | peterrooney: I downloaded the files with wget as root to my user's hoome directory. Didn't move or link. |
| 00:02.23 | Gregor2 | i have some problems with the permission if i take fat32 |
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| 00:03.17 | nonconvergent | Gregor2: then don't use it. It's deprecated anyway. |
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| 00:04.26 | nonconvergent | Slow. Non-journaling. 4GB file limitations. Not that you want to put/get 4 or more GB via FTP |
| 00:04.51 | Gregor2 | but why that with the 4gb |
| 00:05.18 | nonconvergent | Gregor2: If you don't speak English I can't understand you. |
| 00:05.22 | Gregor2 | if i save something with windows to fat32 i can save more i think! |
| 00:05.30 | nonconvergent | You can't. |
| 00:05.34 | Gregor2 | no? |
| 00:05.36 | Gregor2 | ok |
| 00:05.44 | Gregor2 | maybe i was wrong! |
| 00:05.48 | nonconvergent | You are. |
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| 00:06.04 | nonconvergent | Filesystem matters to the server, not the clients. |
| 00:06.12 | Gregor2 | and what about ntfs? |
| 00:06.33 | nonconvergent | Gregor2: Same diff. It matters to the server, not the clients. |
| 00:06.47 | nonconvergent | You can run an old solaris FS for all a client will care. |
| 00:06.54 | nonconvergent | But don't. |
| 00:07.43 | nonconvergent | Get ext4, ext3, xfs, or btfs, in descending order of preference.. |
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| 00:08.39 | Gregor2 | because i want to dual boot windows and linux |
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| 00:08.50 | Gregor2 | and i want to have a filesystem for both |
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| 00:09.37 | nonconvergent | That has nothing to do with FTP. |
| 00:09.53 | Gregor2 | i know |
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| 00:10.11 | Gregor2 | but what is the best filesystem for multiplatform>?? |
| 00:10.42 | daemonkeeper | There is just one. |
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| 00:11.12 | daemonkeeper | Well. NTFS has some support on Linux. But the only really reliable choice is FAT. |
| 00:11.27 | vipintruder | vfat? |
| 00:11.46 | Hoxzer | Gregor2: this might interest you http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ext2.html |
| 00:12.23 | daemonkeeper | Well. I aggregated all FAT versions by just saying FAT, as vfat supports them all vipintruder |
| 00:13.01 | Hoxzer | I personally have had no problems using NTFS in debian. |
| 00:13.18 | nonconvergent | daemonkeeper: That's not true. NTFS support is fine right now. |
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| 00:15.06 | nonconvergent | Now that said, there are tools on each that provide perfectly adequate support for Windows reading ext4/3 ( I can't speak to others ). So it doesn't matter. |
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| 00:25.15 | Gregor2 | annyone knows how to make a virtual user on vsftpd? |
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| 00:35.27 | bezaban | Gregor2: what do you mean 'virtual user'? are you trying to make a vsftpd user? |
| 00:35.34 | Gregor2 | yes |
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| 00:38.12 | Gregor2 | i think there are the normal users, the users on the system! And virtual users are users only for the ftp server! |
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| 00:39.00 | bezaban | Gregor2: I see what you mean. I have never used vsftpd before, but from some quick googling it seems that all tutorials want you to add a unix user |
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| 00:39.26 | Gregor2 | and how do i make that? |
| 00:39.38 | bezaban | adduser 'username' |
| 00:39.47 | Gregor2 | and the password? |
| 00:40.04 | Gregor2 | and how do i add a home dir? |
| 00:40.06 | bezaban | you don't want people to have shell access though, and if you are creating a user at all you should probably use sftp |
| 00:40.15 | bezaban | adduser does that for you |
| 00:40.34 | Gregor2 | sftp is crypted ftp? |
| 00:40.47 | bezaban | it's file transfer over ssh |
| 00:40.52 | bezaban | but encrypted |
| 00:41.08 | Gregor2 | can i enter sftp with normal ftp client? |
| 00:41.13 | bezaban | ftps is ssl/ftp which is ftp over ssl |
| 00:41.40 | bezaban | not every ftp client, but you can get sftp clients that act just like normal ftp clients |
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| 00:42.36 | bezaban | some 'ftp' clients supports sftp too |
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| 00:43.28 | Gregor2 | and its saver? |
| 00:43.33 | Gregor2 | but is it slower? |
| 00:43.49 | bezaban | a lot safer, but not much slower |
| 00:44.16 | Gregor2 | and what is ssl? |
| 00:44.19 | bezaban | with ftp your password is transferred in clear text. it's a very bad idea. |
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| 00:44.54 | bezaban | ssl is secure sockets layer. It is used for web pages (to get a 'green' bar etc.) and is used to encrypt traffic from you to the server |
| 00:45.22 | bezaban | but file transfer over ssh is preferred over ftp over ssl |
| 00:45.32 | bezaban | imho |
| 00:45.37 | Gregor2 | and the files are also getting transfered over ssl? |
| 00:45.57 | bezaban | all files are transferred encrypted with both options yes |
| 00:46.12 | bezaban | well, the data stream is. |
| 00:46.29 | addaitech | how would i go about installing testing onto my new laptop without having to install gnome and install xfce instead from the install dvd's? |
| 00:46.39 | Gregor2 | and how whats the name of the sftp server? |
| 00:46.54 | Gregor2 | and what is ftps? |
| 00:47.18 | bezaban | addaitech: I guess avoid installing X at initial install and then add what you want, but I've never gone that specific route myself :) |
| 00:47.40 | addaitech | ok |
| 00:48.19 | Gregor2 | do you know what ftps is? |
| 00:48.20 | bezaban | Gregor2: sftp is provided by the package ssh. Ftps is an alternative I don't know much about, ssh will do it better. |
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| 00:49.02 | bezaban | I mean openssh-server |
| 00:49.22 | bezaban | but you need to make sure you restrict shell access |
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| 00:50.16 | bezaban | it depends a bit on the users you want |
| 00:50.31 | bezaban | is it only you? Are the others people you trust? |
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| 00:52.33 | sabotender | I guess this is the channel i should be in since I am trying to install debian. Debian is incorrectly detecting my partition table as GUID when it is MBR. it already has two partitions on it: NTFS, HFS+ |
| 00:53.00 | sabotender | I am at the partition creation (manual) screen and it shows all 250GB as 'FREE SPACE' |
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| 00:54.05 | sabotender | I have used windows repair and rewrote a new bootsector, and I have used testdisk to rewrite a partition table |
| 00:54.19 | sabotender | I guess there is no way to completely remove the remenants of a GUID partition table |
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| 00:54.44 | sabotender | either that, or whatever debian is using to detect partitions is messed up |
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| 01:03.18 | mogglebam | Hi, I have trouble using /usr/share/doc. Currently, to find docs, i pipe ls to grep and grep for a package name |
| 01:03.33 | mogglebam | Then I take the pdf and copy it into my home directory and read it |
| 01:03.52 | mogglebam | (because it is gzipped in /usr/share/docs) |
| 01:04.00 | mogglebam | is there a better way to search for and read local docs? |
| 01:04.39 | amphi | point a browser at /usr/share/doc? I use w3m for that |
| 01:05.01 | mogglebam | ok, that's slick. |
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| 01:05.17 | bezaban | mogglebam: just making sure, you know about man pages? |
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| 01:05.46 | mogglebam | bezaban: yeah |
| 01:05.54 | arthurfiggis | hello :) is there any way that i could disable usb autosuspend for peripherals in wheezy? i have a wireless mouse that doesn't behave well with it, it continually powers off every few seconds and you wind up losing input when it does :( |
| 01:06.17 | mogglebam | my use case here tends to be looking up docs for different stupid latex packages that tend to come in PDF |
| 01:06.47 | bezaban | mogglebam: not sure why you are finding pdfs |
| 01:07.10 | bezaban | you should find clear text files that you can read |
| 01:07.14 | zykotick9 | bezaban: i was surprised by the pdf docs as well, i've never seen any... |
| 01:07.47 | mogglebam | Take a look at /usr/share/doc/latex-beamer |
| 01:07.53 | mogglebam | if it is installed on your system |
| 01:07.56 | mogglebam | the manual is a pdf |
| 01:08.43 | mogglebam | although, it does look like eveince can open .pdf.gz directly (never tried that before, donno why) |
| 01:08.56 | mogglebam | so with the browser trick and sending pdf.gz to evince i should be all set |
| 01:09.01 | mogglebam | thanks |
| 01:09.11 | bezaban | ah right |
| 01:09.33 | bezaban | oh nice, I've found evince helpful myself |
| 01:09.55 | mogglebam | these things just keep cluttering up my home directory you know |
| 01:09.56 | bzed | mogglebam: okular /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy.pdf.gz - works perfectly fine without unzipping. |
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| 01:10.23 | bzed | mogglebam: most pdf readers should open .gz files just fine. and for text file, use zless to read them |
| 01:10.49 | mogglebam | bzed: don't have kde installed, so no okular, but zless looks super useful thanks |
| 01:11.23 | bzed | mogglebam: and for temporary stuff there is /tmp - which should be cleaned automatically, depending on your setting in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 01:11.36 | mogglebam | (I'm going to be spending a good deal of time offline soon, so i'm trying to suck less at reading the plethora of super-useful stuff in my local documentation) |
| 01:11.44 | bzed | mogglebam: doesn't matter which reader, okular, evince, xpdf... they should all happily handle .pdf.gz files |
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| 01:13.40 | bzed | mogglebam: your browser and all pdf views use the same library … at least I'd guess so :) |
| 01:14.16 | mogglebam | excellent |
| 01:15.10 | mogglebam | also got the debian-reference-en package |
| 01:15.57 | mogglebam | can't keep hitting google for all this simple stuff you know :-\ |
| 01:16.10 | mogglebam | is there a way to do fulltext search of local docs, even if they're gzipped? |
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| 01:16.29 | sabotender | grumbles |
| 01:17.14 | sabotender | YAY |
| 01:17.49 | mogglebam | Because I now have a good solution for "I know what package I need docs for, I'll go read that", but if I don't know what package I need to read about... |
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| 01:26.26 | sabotender | I need some partition assistance |
| 01:26.50 | bzed | mogglebam: apt-cache search might be your friend, if you are looking for packages |
| 01:27.01 | sabotender | oops wrong channel |
| 01:27.13 | bzed | mogglebam: also there are manpages for almost every command |
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| 01:29.21 | mogglebam | bzed: apt-cahce search looks good, thanks |
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| 01:29.47 | mogglebam | good way to "identify package needed" |
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| 01:31.23 | Gregor2 | how can i add a user? |
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| 01:34.28 | dvs | Gregor2: You're going to kick yourself: adduser |
| 01:34.56 | foureyes779 | lol |
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| 01:35.13 | someuser | hey guys |
| 01:35.27 | Gregor2 | and the password and home dir? |
| 01:35.28 | someuser | how do you make synaptic package manager use the USER account instead of cosntantly asking for the root password |
| 01:35.39 | someuser | i have sudo with ALL access enabled FFS |
| 01:35.49 | someuser | i need to communicate this to the GUI crap |
| 01:36.08 | Gregor2 | i think you need root permissions to install packages! |
| 01:36.16 | rudi_s | Gregor2: man adduser |
| 01:38.14 | foureyes779 | Any debianPPC users in here that can assist with a radeon video card ? |
| 01:38.37 | someuser | ffs |
| 01:38.47 | someuser | Gregor2: no i have sudo for that |
| 01:38.52 | someuser | i want a non tech user |
| 01:38.57 | someuser | to beable to install stuff |
| 01:38.58 | someuser | without me |
| 01:39.01 | someuser | i gave him sudo |
| 01:39.03 | someuser | and synaptic |
| 01:39.13 | someuser | how do u make synaptic use his account vs root |
| 01:39.17 | someuser | ubuntu does this |
| 01:39.20 | someuser | so i know it exists |
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| 01:40.45 | Penix | someuser: are they actually launching synaptic vi sudo? |
| 01:40.57 | Penix | someuser: probably want to use 'gksu synaptic' maybe |
| 01:40.58 | Gregor2 | and how can i list all users |
| 01:41.13 | Penix | s/vi/via/ |
| 01:42.17 | Penix | Gregor2: cat /etc/passwd |
| 01:43.01 | someuser | gksu ?? |
| 01:44.49 | mogglebam | gksu is a Gtk+ frontend to /bin/su. It supports login shells and preserving environment when acting as a su frontend. It is useful to menu items or other graphical programs that need to ask a user's password to run another program as another user. |
| 01:45.00 | peterrooney | foureyes779: you might want to check in with #debianppc |
| 01:45.16 | vipintruder | someuser: gkdu is like sudo but to be used with graphical software. |
| 01:45.49 | vipintruder | *gksu... sorry. |
| 01:46.30 | foureyes779 | peterrooney: lol thanks. Asked the same question in DebianPPC but no answer yet. Not a lot of activity in their. |
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| 01:46.49 | someuser | i see |
| 01:46.54 | Penix | foureyes779: just ask your question here. somebody might be able to help |
| 01:46.57 | someuser | i just need to cofigure it to use gksu |
| 01:46.58 | someuser | thanks |
| 01:47.29 | foureyes779 | ok, having a problem with a G4 Powerbook, a Radeon video card and KMS. |
| 01:47.46 | peterrooney | foureyes779: it's not a high-traffic channel. |
| 01:49.01 | foureyes779 | lsof -i |
| 01:49.04 | foureyes779 | bah |
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| 01:51.02 | vipintruder | someuser: put in a terminal: sudo visudo, then change: "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL" to: "%admin ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL". With this you can use sudo without password. |
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| 01:52.17 | Penix | too late |
| 01:53.12 | vipintruder | ok, I don't see it. Thank's. |
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| 02:09.20 | Blazedout419 | is it possible to clone a debain install that is on a usb stick to muliple usb sticks? |
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| 02:11.38 | zykotick9 | Blazedout419: dd? |
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| 02:11.51 | Blazedout419 | forgot the bad part |
| 02:11.55 | Blazedout419 | using Windows |
| 02:11.57 | Blazedout419 | :x |
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| 02:12.21 | Blazedout419 | writing debain to usb is quick until it formats |
| 02:12.27 | Blazedout419 | need 15 of these sticks |
| 02:12.40 | Blazedout419 | ext4 takes it 20 mins |
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| 02:27.33 | utopian | Yes hehllo, my father repeatedly tries to force me to fuck him up his ass. I've tried upping my interrupt tick for more context switching and I packet schedule, but debian doesn't install a preempt kernel. |
| 02:27.39 | utopian | Is there anything further debian can do to help the situation? |
| 02:28.09 | well_laid_lawn | what was that bit about your father? |
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| 02:28.30 | utopian | sorry? |
| 02:28.38 | zykotick9 | well_laid_lawn: please don't comment on such "crap" |
| 02:28.51 | well_laid_lawn | the dude is on ignore for that |
| 02:28.58 | zykotick9 | well_laid_lawn: +1 |
| 02:29.46 | utopian | I've even tried debian on sparcv9 |
| 02:29.52 | utopian | I must say I like it but issues persist. |
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| 02:36.31 | nonconvergent | What's the diff between Install and 64 bit install on the 7.2 amd64 netinst? |
| 02:36.49 | nonconvergent | Does it have the 32 bit by default for good measure? |
| 02:37.10 | nonconvergent | Or is it just that the d-i is itself compiled 64bit? |
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| 02:37.33 | nonconvergent | ...which would be weird, but I don't know how else to explain what I'm seeing. |
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| 02:58.21 | Molt | hey everyone |
| 02:58.26 | Molt | i need help installing a package |
| 02:58.30 | Molt | http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/libgd-dev |
| 02:58.32 | buu | try apt-get |
| 02:59.34 | Molt | when i apt-get I am told 'libgd-dev' has no installation candidate |
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| 02:59.42 | Molt | i know apt-get :) |
| 03:00.38 | zykotick9 | Molt: are you using Lucid? |
| 03:01.14 | Molt | i've had this happen to me in ubuntu |
| 03:01.28 | Molt | and i am experiencing it now on my raspberry pi |
| 03:01.29 | zykotick9 | Molt: then ask in #ubuntu, not here |
| 03:01.37 | Molt | ubuntu is debian |
| 03:01.42 | Molt | jeez |
| 03:01.44 | zykotick9 | no it's NOT |
| 03:02.01 | Molt | i'm just asking how to install a package man |
| 03:02.13 | ctmjr | !based on debian |
| 03:02.14 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 03:02.17 | Molt | why is it so difficult to get anyone to explain how to do simple things in linux |
| 03:03.39 | Molt | forget the pretention about flavors. just asking from one hum to another the concept of installing packages in linux |
| 03:03.49 | Molt | human |
| 03:04.02 | zykotick9 | ctmjr: for future reference <ubuntu> is more specific for these cases ;) |
| 03:04.09 | buu | Why is it so difficult to get people to understand basic concepts like "ask in the place designed to support your product" |
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| 03:04.55 | foureyes779 | Molt: apt-get cache libgd-dev give any results at all? |
| 03:06.17 | ctmjr | zykotick9: no he said ubuntu is debian that is why i triggerd the bot |
| 03:06.37 | zykotick9 | ctmjr: did you read <ubuntu>? |
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| 03:08.08 | ctmjr | I have know idea what point you are trying to make |
| 03:08.43 | Molt | thank you foureyes for the kindness of actually caring |
| 03:08.56 | zykotick9 | ctmjr: it starts "Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian." |
| 03:09.08 | Molt | foureyes: i am told there is no candidate for the installation |
| 03:09.18 | foureyes779 | Molt: Don't know how much that helps, but maybe you can get the pkg name you need that way |
| 03:09.37 | Molt | let me try |
| 03:09.38 | Molt | thanks |
| 03:09.39 | addaitech | molt do yourself a favor and join the correct channel |
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| 03:12.18 | arthurfiggis | addaitech: i'd do yourself a favour and put him on ignore, as soon as he started spouting "pretention about flavors" that's what i did :P trying to get you to the channel that actually supports your product is "caring" in my books but if he wants to waste his time, more power to him |
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| 03:12.52 | addaitech | lol :) |
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| 03:18.03 | TeamColtra | is there a way to force a reboot without "reboot" because my system has a load of 200+ and it's just stuck at "The system is going down for reboot NOW!" I am in a second terminal window still able to run commands and stuff |
| 03:18.27 | TeamColtra | something that says 'don't worry doing whatever it is your trying to do... just shut down' |
| 03:21.26 | addaitech | TeamColtra: http://mark.koli.ch/2009/02/linux-magic-sysrq-key-r-e-i-s-u-b-reboot-even-if-system-utterly-broken.html |
| 03:21.57 | addaitech | might work for ya |
| 03:22.11 | TeamColtra | addaitech it's a remote system |
| 03:22.18 | TeamColtra | I did http://linax.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/linux-force-reboot-and-shutdown/ |
| 03:22.20 | TeamColtra | and it worked |
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| 03:22.27 | TeamColtra | well hasn't rebooted yet |
| 03:22.31 | TeamColtra | but I am hopeful it worked |
| 03:22.54 | TeamColtra | Turned off successfully (sorry for using linebreak as punctuation) |
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| 03:24.45 | dondelelcaro | TeamColtra: just a tip though; you really want a serial console or similar for remote systems, then you can use magic sysreq over them... |
| 03:25.10 | zykotick9 | addaitech: fyi, TeamColtra initially posted there question in #ubuntu. dondelelcaro |
| 03:26.24 | addaitech | fun times... |
| 03:27.56 | TeamColtra | zykotick9 yeah because I realized that I ahve been asking for help in Ubuntu this entire time |
| 03:28.07 | TeamColtra | and that this server is a deb box |
| 03:28.18 | TeamColtra | (I have been migrating things over from ubuntu to debian) |
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| 03:43.53 | MrMonkey31 | man, I just got out of a weird situation. while trying to build wine I kept getting the configure warning that said "configure: WARNING: No OpenGL library found on this system." then having reinstalled freeglut3:i386, 3 or 4x with aptitude, the warning just disappeared |
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| 03:44.43 | MrMonkey31 | there's probably a handful of things I was doing wrong, and several more that I had neglected to do for not knowing about it, but as of now the build goes well |
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| 03:45.52 | MrMonkey31 | *scratch some of that, I had installed + reinstalled freeglut3 of the appropriate architecture alternating synaptic, and aptitude. I might even have tried apt-get, but not dpkg :) |
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| 03:46.55 | MrMonkey31 | goes back to meditating |
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| 03:53.34 | yelow79 | Hi folks, I'm having a neworking issue |
| 03:53.44 | yelow79 | I have posted my question here |
| 03:54.05 | yelow79 | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=109460 |
| 03:55.02 | yelow79 | I've spent a couple days trying to figure this out |
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| 03:56.06 | Penix | MrMonkey31: they're all gonna do the same thing. you probably want the devel package anyway if you're building from source, freeglut3-dev |
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| 03:57.44 | yelow79 | grrr figures. I gotta go for a bit |
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| 03:58.29 | jean_brat | hi is there any alternative for nautlis ? i dislike the popup window which occours every time a device is connected.. its annoying when i place my laptop on a docking station where many devices connected to it |
| 03:58.40 | jean_brat | is there any way to disable it |
| 03:58.41 | jean_brat | ? |
| 03:59.51 | Penix | jean_brat: afaik that's not nautilus. it would be gnome-volume-manager |
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| 04:00.42 | Penix | jean_brat: there were options in Gnome 2 to configure those sorts of settings. I don't have a Gnome 3 box nearby atm, but if there's no config dialog, you could probably do it with gconf, dconf, whateveritscallednowconf |
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| 04:03.59 | MrMonkey31 | Penix: I've found that they do slightly different things, though that might reflect on my usage more than any concrete state of things. atm I can only presume that I've held broken packages (oh noes) |
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| 04:06.22 | Penix | MrMonkey31: in the case of the freeglut3 package they shouldn't be any different from what I can tell. there's no recommended or suggested packages |
| 04:06.39 | Penix | MrMonkey31: typically aptitude would install recommends/suggested packages by default IIRC |
| 04:06.58 | Penix | but even regular apt these days tends to do that |
| 04:07.04 | MrMonkey31 | jean_brat: see the 'notification-daemon' package |
| 04:07.31 | zykotick9 | Penix: yes, recommends/suggest ARE installed by default... |
| 04:08.07 | MrMonkey31 | Penix: it's a mystery alright. I only recently learnt about checking in /usr/lib/i386...../ so I have incomplete knowledge and won't trouble y'all further on it |
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| 04:09.59 | themill | recommends are; suggests are not |
| 04:10.23 | jean_brat | MrMonkey31, how do i invoke the configuration editor? |
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| 04:10.58 | zykotick9 | themill: thanks. Penix sorry for bad info. |
| 04:11.23 | Penix | I would've lost sleep over that one ;) |
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| 04:14.41 | themill | np -- Suggests are enough to stop packages from being autoremoved though. (I'm not sure whether I like that default or not) |
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| 04:16.30 | MrMonkey31 | jean_brat: good question. anybody wanna field that one? |
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| 04:19.12 | zykotick9 | <ot> themill - i do like, that when YOU say something. i take that as "fact". with so many others in IRC, i always have to question the source </ot> ;) |
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| 04:20.18 | themill | see Apt::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant in http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s05s05.html ;) |
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| 04:31.53 | MrMonkey31 | a quicky: if synaptic shows me a big lettered "CANNOT AUTHENTICATE" message in the summary, but the actual listing of not authenticated paks is blank, is that sure sign I've held broken packages? |
| 04:34.13 | dondelelcaro | MrMonkey31: no, that just means that you have entries in your sources.list which do are not signed |
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| 04:38.27 | zykotick9 | dondelelcaro: btw, my <ot> comment to themill above, applies to you as well |
| 04:38.27 | MrMonkey31 | dondelelcaro: thanks, and also can this be? a -dev package depending on its standard counterpart? I thought that would be against the rules. ref: libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev:i386 and libgl1-mesa-swx11:i386 |
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| 04:39.09 | dondelelcaro | zykotick9: thanks! |
| 04:39.29 | dondelelcaro | Myrtti: yeah, that's actually pretty normal. it's pretty useless to have a -dev package without the non-dev package. |
| 04:39.59 | dondelelcaro | Myrtti: since presumably if you installed the -dev package, you want to build something, and you want to link it against the library which the dev package corresponds to |
| 04:40.41 | MrMonkey31 | oh aye, but I thought... but... oh well, learned something new! |
| 04:41.27 | dondelelcaro | err, sorry; s/Myrtti/MrMonkey31/ |
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| 04:54.46 | themill | zykotick9: ;) |
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| 05:00.45 | nonconvergent | Hey, making a debian vagrant box. Just need webserver stuff. aside from not installing an Xserver, anything else I can turn off to minimize resources? |
| 05:00.50 | nonconvergent | Won't need documentation. |
| 05:01.26 | nonconvergent | Won't need audio. |
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| 05:09.33 | PryMar56 | trying to locate perl package libtext-chm-perl |
| 05:09.48 | PryMar56 | for wheezy and perl 5.14 |
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| 05:12.05 | Nidhoggr | http://search.cpan.org/~dds/Text-CHM-0.01/lib/Text/CHM.pm |
| 05:13.24 | PryMar56 | Nidhoggr, do I point dh-make-perl at the above link? |
| 05:14.10 | Nidhoggr | are you familiar with CPAN? |
| 05:14.30 | PryMar56 | Nidhoggr, yes I know it, but I want to import the module as a .deb |
| 05:15.16 | Nidhoggr | I have seen no .deb packages for it, which is why cpan should be easier. |
| 05:15.52 | PryMar56 | Nidhoggr, I may try and setup a virtual machine to use dh-make-perl |
| 05:18.47 | sabotender | moo |
| 05:18.51 | Nidhoggr | I see 3 google hits with libtext-chm-perl debian as the search that show an RPM file. you could check those out |
| 05:19.00 | sabotender | will "aptitude install kde-full" give me the full KDE package? |
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| 05:20.53 | Nidhoggr | sabotender, that's what the package description on debian.org says. |
| 05:21.19 | Nidhoggr | gives complete end user kde install. doesn't say anything about dev though. |
| 05:21.34 | sabotender | Nidhoggr: no, it actually reads, "aptitude --without-recommends install ~t^standard$ ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$" |
| 05:22.06 | sabotender | I was wondering if I could omit some of that stuff and not mess it up |
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| 05:24.16 | Nidhoggr | I was talking about the package description on the full debian package list, which has no aptitude command lines listed :p |
| 05:25.40 | sabotender | ah |
| 05:25.41 | sabotender | well im new to linux |
| 05:26.03 | Nidhoggr | you can try without the recommends and see if it runs correctly. usually recommends are there for good reasons, so I never skip them. |
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| 05:26.30 | Nidhoggr | I would write down what the recommends are, and install them afterward if it doesn't behave properly. |
| 05:26.51 | Nidhoggr | if you are desperate for time and space, otherwise follow recommends |
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| 05:51.35 | wols_ | !tell oiujjy about anyone |
| 05:51.52 | oiujjy | :X |
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| 06:19.18 | Nidhoggr | love when you install a new box and slowly discover all the packages that you forgot to install initially. 6 month later I discover my time is half an hour off, and realize I didn't install ntpdate. :) |
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| 06:20.22 | phy1729 | Nidhoggr: that's why you (if server) do config management (if client) have a setup script |
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| 06:22.46 | Nidhoggr | The last time I had to set up a new box was about 1140 days ago, so I don't do enough installing to get to terse |
| 06:23.02 | Nidhoggr | s/to/too |
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| 06:24.24 | phy1729 | Nidhoggr: oh, I reimage one of my computers or vms nearly weekly so I've scripted my environment |
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| 06:25.11 | Nidhoggr | I only do a new install when the old one fails. I say 1140 days because that's about the uptime of my nameserver :) |
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| 06:25.54 | Nidhoggr | I used to have 4 debian boxes, now it is down to 2 and a freebsd/pfsense box and a mac mini server. |
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| 06:26.54 | phy1729 | would tell Nidhoggr to use OpenBSD not FreeBSD but this is #debian :/ |
| 06:27.26 | Nidhoggr | the install was actually a pfsense image. I like openbsd (mac os), as well. |
| 06:27.33 | Nidhoggr | pfsense runs on top of freebsd |
| 06:28.21 | phy1729 | pf is such a pleasure to write compaired to iptables there's no need to have a fancy interface imho |
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| 06:28.58 | Nidhoggr | while I agree, part of my issue is time and health. I have to go with what work and can be accomplished in the least amount of time. |
| 06:30.15 | Nidhoggr | also, pf was very new to me |
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| 06:58.59 | bl4ckdu5t | Is there a way to make nautilus have a transparent background on gnome? |
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| 07:52.05 | _moostapha | hello. |
| 07:52.21 | grep0r | ehlo :P |
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| 07:52.42 | _moostapha | what's up? |
| 07:52.56 | _moostapha | (sorry if this isn't a chat channel, just being polite) |
| 07:53.17 | grep0r | yeap , sure good thx. |
| 07:54.46 | _moostapha | so, I'm not exactly a linux n00b, but I'm switching distros soon and running into issues actually deciding. |
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| 07:55.19 | _moostapha | I think it's between Debian/Testing and Fedora, mostly just general use. |
| 07:55.28 | phy1729 | _moostapha: get virtual box and spin up a few vms |
| 07:55.36 | _moostapha | I have. |
| 07:56.02 | _moostapha | But short of actually using them for a while, I haven't noticed a huge difference apart form yum vs. apt. |
| 07:56.08 | _moostapha | from* |
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| 07:58.41 | eblip | hey is CUPS an acutal print server |
| 07:58.45 | grep0r | _moostapha, yes there are some difference fedora is nice too. |
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| 07:59.51 | jaami_ | app i downloaded has bundle extension and i dont know how to install from bundle. can someone tell,me how to use bundle file? |
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| 08:00.40 | _moostapha | grep0r: I'm sure they are. You guys are in #debian. Mind a quick version of why you chose it? |
| 08:00.56 | _moostapha | ...or just tell me to shut up if this is more of a support channel. |
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| 08:02.48 | jaami_ | plz guide me how to,use bundle file. i could not get help on search engine. |
| 08:02.54 | grep0r | _moostapha, you can try #debian-offtopic :) |
| 08:03.01 | buu | jaami_: What the hell is a bundle file? |
| 08:03.08 | phy1729 | _moostapha: All my servers are debian because it's stable; I just find it easiest to keep everything the same distro |
| 08:03.15 | jaami_ | i dont know buu |
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| 08:03.23 | buu | Well, that makes two of us then. |
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| 08:03.30 | sML | hi |
| 08:03.44 | buu | _moostapha: Basically everything without a screen is debian. Everything with a screen is ubuntu. I like apt. |
| 08:03.51 | jaami_ | i downloaded vmplayer for linux and the file i got has bundle extension |
| 08:03.53 | eblip | is CUPS an actual print server.....if so if i get it running on my machine do i need to give it an independent ip address |
| 08:04.05 | eblip | different from the ip of the NIC |
| 08:04.17 | buu | eblip: Of course not why would it need a seperate ip |
| 08:04.22 | dsockwell | eblip: No. |
| 08:04.29 | eblip | honestly buu ...i havent got a clue |
| 08:04.36 | eblip | i just read this info and it says give it an ip |
| 08:04.37 | nonconvergent | Making a debian vagrant box. Just need webserver stuff. Aside from not installing an Xserver, anything else I can turn off to minimize resources? |
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| 08:04.54 | eblip | http://www.debianadmin.com/setup-cups-common-unix-printing-system-server-and-client-in-debian.html |
| 08:04.56 | buu | nonconvergent: netinstall. install exactly what you want. |
| 08:05.17 | nonconvergent | buu: That's what I'm doing, but even then, don't need audio support or anything. |
| 08:05.18 | buu | Oh my god get a network aware printer |
| 08:05.24 | buu | nonconvergent: So.. don't install it? |
| 08:05.39 | buu | nonconvergent: Netinstall installs like, bash and the kernel by default |
| 08:05.40 | jaami_ | buu properties of the bundle file shows the type is shell script. how to install vmplayer? |
| 08:05.47 | buu | jaami_: double click on it |
| 08:05.59 | buu | jaami_: or sh file.bundle |
| 08:06.00 | jaami_ | ok |
| 08:06.02 | dsockwell | nonconvergent: don't compile a special kernel with no audio drivers for that |
| 08:06.05 | phy1729 | nonconvergent: are you disk constrained? |
| 08:06.06 | buu | or do something kind of intelligent. |
| 08:06.10 | nonconvergent | buu: That's not an option under tasksel, unless it's covered by Desktop Environment or Standard System Utilities...should I have done the expert install. |
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| 08:06.34 | buu | nonconvergent: Option? tasksel tells you what it *is* installing, don't select audio if you don't need audio |
| 08:06.42 | nonconvergent | phy1729: It's a VM for test environments, so I'm trying to make it as small as possible. |
| 08:07.11 | buu | run install. deselect everything but ssh and base system. done? |
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| 08:07.40 | phy1729 | nonconvergent: great, just use a virtual disk that isn't a static size and do what buu said. It's not worth the effore to shave megabytes |
| 08:07.41 | nonconvergent | buu: http://i.imgur.com/3vMwkKp.jpg |
| 08:07.56 | phy1729 | you'll likely want ssh |
| 08:08.02 | nonconvergent | buu: there's no audio to not select. |
| 08:08.17 | nonconvergent | phy1729: Yup, I know that. I'll add the web server stack manually later. |
| 08:08.41 | dsockwell | nonconvergent: did you do a netinstall with those options and then find audio programs? |
| 08:08.47 | dsockwell | i don't understand why we're fixated on audio |
| 08:08.57 | jaami | i downloaded vmplayer for linux which has .bundle extension and its type is shell script. how to i stall vmplayer from .bundle file? |
| 08:09.09 | nonconvergent | dsockwell: no, but I used audio as an example. |
| 08:09.09 | jaami | install? |
| 08:09.13 | phy1729 | nonconvergent: if you really want to be minimal use crunchbang or a bsd; but honestly it isn't worth your time to recompile the kernel to save space |
| 08:09.29 | dsockwell | nonconvergent: do the netinstall and see if that's good enough? |
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| 08:10.26 | nonconvergent | It's a test vm for a webserver. I don't need it to play sound, and it never has to mount a usb drive, or anything else except provide remote access, mount a shared storage from the host, serve up web pages, and maybe connect to an external database. |
| 08:11.01 | phy1729 | nonconvergent: ok but it's more effort than it's worth to remove all those things |
| 08:11.03 | nonconvergent | phy1729: crunchbang is not supported by debian. |
| 08:11.09 | dsockwell | nonconvergent: you're talking about kernel modules then? |
| 08:11.24 | phy1729 | unless you're running dozens of these it's not going to make a difference |
| 08:11.36 | nonconvergent | dsockwell: Nah, I'm not pinching bytes that much. |
| 08:11.56 | nonconvergent | dsockwell: I just wanted to minimize things on the d-i side, which I have. So thanks. |
| 08:12.44 | nonconvergent | which package does Standard system utilities pull in? |
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| 08:13.29 | buu | jaami: http://www.vmware.com/support/ws55/doc/ws_install_linux.html |
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| 08:13.51 | jaami | hey, thanks buu |
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| 08:14.21 | buu | jaami: http://pubs.vmware.com/workstation-9/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.vmware.ws.get_started.doc%2FGUID-1F5B1F14-A586-4A56-83FA-2E7D8333D5CA.html |
| 08:14.23 | grep0r | nonconvergent, you can try damn small linux https://wiki.debian.org/DamnSmallLinux |
| 08:15.19 | jaami | a general question , should i run any shell script on my debian? |
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| 08:16.16 | phy1729 | nonconvergent: see aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant -F%p c.f. https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 08:18.04 | phy1729 | jaami: I have no idea what you mean by that |
| 08:20.01 | jaami | phy1729, this is first time i downloaded app that is a .bundle file. just thinking why any app has to,be a shell script |
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| 08:22.22 | jaami | i think i should not take risk of allowing any shell script to run on my debian. just thinking that it may corrupt my debian |
| 08:23.13 | phy1729 | what did you download and from where? |
| 08:23.16 | cwillu_at_work | jaami, if you trust them enough to run code they provide, what difference does it make if that code comes in a shell script? |
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| 08:29.27 | jaami | cwillu_at_work, :) that is true. and nice question indeed. at a later time if something goes,wrong with debian i will sure think that the reason behind might be the shell script. |
| 08:30.00 | afidegnum | hi all, I am still thinking... I am trying to set up a cctv camera in my house but I want to watch the events when I am away. do I need a vps/ dedicated server for that? |
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| 08:31.13 | jaami | cwillu_at_work, because my debian is working fine so far. i dont want to take risk of installing any appp developed by crazy developer. thats right we make mistakes. but some c |
| 08:32.01 | jaami | cwillu_at_work, but some well known companies release product full of bugs. |
| 08:32.16 | cwillu_at_work | sure |
| 08:32.28 | cwillu_at_work | this has absolutely nothing to do with whether it comes as a shell script or not though |
| 08:34.44 | jaami | cwillu_at_work, right :) i would say i am afraid to,handle something new while common installation are not shell scripts. |
| 08:34.57 | grep0r | jaami, check if it is supported official from debian or find a equal or better from debian is a good strategy |
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| 08:37.36 | jaami | grep0r, thats right, the officially supported virtualbox took days and because everytime i see new error i thought why not use linux version or vmware that a friend of mine used on dell for Mac OS x and it worked fine. installed latest version. |
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| 08:44.40 | C4709 | How m I supposed to upgrade debian 7.1 to debian 7.2 in OpenVZ container which is running on linux 2.6x kernel ? |
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| 08:45.15 | jaami | phy1729, i downloaded vmplayer and vmplayer plus as one .bundle file from vmware official site. |
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| 08:48.48 | _root_ | I have to add my first IP to my VPS this way http://paste.ubuntu.com/6497998/ and because of that I cant get the eth0:0 to IP alias. could you give me a clue as to what should I do to get eth0:0 working |
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| 08:50.41 | phy1729 | _root_: why not just use gateway ? |
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| 08:51.44 | _root_ | phy1729: because if i do the eth0 won't get up and i loose eth0 too. that's the way it is ( thanks to OVH) |
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| 08:53.18 | phy1729 | are you sure about that netmask? |
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| 08:54.46 | nonconvergent | Huh, plain debian with ssh clocks in at 1022MB. |
| 08:55.47 | _root_ | phy1729: pretty sure; |
| 08:56.08 | _root_ | phy1729: why? you think it hould be 255.255.255.0 ? |
| 08:56.10 | james41382 | shouldn't it be 255.255.255.0 |
| 08:56.12 | james41382 | ? |
| 08:56.13 | phy1729 | yeah |
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| 08:56.37 | phy1729 | nonconvergent: too big? |
| 08:56.50 | _root_ | james41382: phy1729 for which one eth0 or eth0:0 |
| 08:58.03 | james41382 | the netmask for 91.121.247.155 should be 255.255.255.0 I believe. |
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| 09:00.47 | _root_ | james41382: you think the problem that eth0:0 wit these directive doesn't work is that :auto eth0:0 iface eth0:0 inet static address 91.121.247.148 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 09:02.07 | silv3r_m00n | is it ok to add jessie repo to wheezy ? |
| 09:02.15 | silv3r_m00n | i mean i need the new version of a software |
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| 09:04.22 | silv3r_m00n | is there some repo for apache 2.4.x ? |
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| 09:16.32 | AndIrc | hi |
| 09:16.32 | daniel-s_ | Hey |
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| 09:18.12 | daniel-s_ | I don't understand the systemd vs. upstart argument 100%. Is it possible that it may become similar to the GNOME vs. KDE situation. Just that I mean, there was never really a standard and they existed together rather than Linux settling on one. |
| 09:18.27 | daniel-s_ | Also, I noticed that I have it installed already. I have jesse |
| 09:18.47 | daniel-s_ | *jessie |
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| 09:21.27 | afidegnum | hi all, anyone familiar with zoneminder? I am stucked here. |
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| 09:25.26 | peterrooney | afidegnum: /msg dpkg cross post |
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| 09:26.40 | afidegnum | peterrooney: euh..erm |
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| 09:29.02 | AndIrc | hi |
| 09:29.10 | peterrooney | daniel-s_: No. The barrier to understanding is noon-trivial for beginners, and the binary format logging issue is (to my mind) an absolute show-stopper. it might be fine for userspace, but to have the OS depend on it is silly. Goodbye informational boot mode. |
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| 09:30.38 | nofxy | anyone in here successfully installed steam on 64 bit jessie? |
| 09:30.47 | peterrooney | afidegnum: you're asking the same question in at least three channels simultaneously. |
| 09:30.51 | peterrooney | !cross post |
| 09:30.52 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
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| 09:31.22 | tomboy64 | hello folks |
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| 09:31.58 | peterrooney | daniel-s_: so, no, it's not as small as the GNOME/KDE divide, which is mostly user preference. |
| 09:32.53 | tomboy64 | i'm assembling a rootfs for an embedded appliance and i get a segfault on boot. problem is, it's going on so fast i don't get what actually starts it. only at the bottom it says "Process dhclient" |
| 09:33.04 | tomboy64 | how do i disable dhclient getting triggered? |
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| 09:36.27 | AndIrc | hi |
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| 09:39.25 | wols_ | tomboy64: set a static IP in /etc/network/interfaces man interfaces |
| 09:39.50 | tomboy64 | ahh, that's a good plan |
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| 09:40.03 | tomboy64 | i wanted to resort to completely remove networking from boot |
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| 09:42.44 | tomboy64 | thanks. let's see if that works. |
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| 09:56.43 | nonconvergent | Anyway to streamline boot for a vm? I don't need it to sit and wait at grub. |
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| 10:01.06 | xmaster | Could you please advice a usb wireless adapter for use my debian pc |
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| 10:05.10 | wols_ | xmaster: anything with an atheros chipset |
| 10:05.17 | wols_ | tp-link usually makes them for example |
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| 10:05.46 | wols_ | nonconvergent: then edit the grub timeout. /etc/default/grub should be it, afterwards update-grub |
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| 10:17.55 | xmaster | can i use RTL8191_RTL8192 or RTL8188CU ? |
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| 10:26.49 | jaami | after installing win7 brub will be go e, so i need to make my usb bootable with tools to fix grub or to restore backup of existing grub. what app is good for this purpose? |
| 10:26.59 | jaami | grub*** |
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| 10:28.04 | jaami | can rescue do this ? |
| 10:29.21 | jaami | i have to dual boot with win7 and debian, need some tool to restore boot menu |
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| 10:33.18 | musca | !RTL8191 |
| 10:33.18 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n PCIe devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>, <rtl8723ae>, <rtl8188ee>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192u>, <rtl8723au>, <rtl8188eu>. See also <what's my wireless>. |
| 10:33.30 | musca | xmaster: ^ |
| 10:34.40 | xmaster | thnx :) |
| 10:34.45 | musca | ,info firmware-realtek |
| 10:34.46 | judd | Package firmware-realtek (non-free/kernel, optional) in wheezy/i386: Binary firmware for Realtek wired and wireless network adapters. Version: 0.36+wheezy.1; Size: 209.5k; Installed: 481k; Homepage: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git |
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| 10:37.31 | luminous | hello! is the kfreebsd release able to run linux binaries released without source, such as http://www.xmind.net/xmind/downloads/xmind-linux-3.4.0.201311050558_amd64.deb ? |
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| 10:39.50 | sadwolf | hi there! no ati driver yet? |
| 10:41.00 | luminous | ah, I imagine I'll find my answer in the FAQ. ignore me |
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| 10:44.54 | wols_ | !tell sadwolf about fglrx |
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| 10:45.29 | sadwolf | yep i mean the fglrx-driver deb in jessie |
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| 10:48.07 | wols_ | when you run jessie you should know how to backport yourself |
| 10:48.14 | wols_ | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 10:48.15 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; sid/non-free: 1:13.4-4; experimental/non-free: 1:13.11~betav6-1 |
| 10:48.21 | wols_ | easy to do. heck get it from wheezy |
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| 10:54.12 | _root_ | Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server is it engough to make SFTP with read and write access running? |
| 10:54.15 | _root_ | i put that in sshd_config |
| 10:54.58 | sadwolf | wols that's not a good idea because the ati old driver is not compatible with the new xorg server... that's why fglrx-driver has been removed from the jessie repository |
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| 10:55.33 | sadwolf | still waiting for the new ati release |
| 10:56.06 | sadwolf | but i was wondering if there's a ati package with the beta drivers |
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| 10:56.39 | wols_ | sadwolf: there is 13.11 |
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| 10:57.35 | sadwolf | wheezy package is 12.6 |
| 10:57.37 | sadwolf | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/fglrx-driver |
| 10:57.49 | wols_ | then backport |
| 10:58.01 | wols_ | 13.4 and 13.11 are both there |
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| 11:00.02 | sadwolf | i haven't found those packages where did you see them? |
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| 11:01.40 | wols_ | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 11:01.41 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; sid/non-free: 1:13.4-4; experimental/non-free: 1:13.11~betav6-1 |
| 11:01.58 | wols_ | you want to backport however |
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| 11:05.14 | jaami | http://paste.debian.net/68564/ plz check this output on aptitude remove vmware. look like vmware did its job. what i am supposed to do now? |
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| 11:07.02 | jaami | the above command removed unnecessary programs |
| 11:07.18 | wols_ | jaami: you did something very very wrong and didn't remove vmware at all: Couldn't find package "vmware". However, the following |
| 11:07.58 | wols_ | you removed java, libreoffice, gnome, etc |
| 11:08.05 | jaami | hmm :( |
| 11:08.13 | jaami | debain is gone? |
| 11:08.20 | wols_ | no |
| 11:08.26 | wols_ | debian is not gone obviously |
| 11:09.03 | jaami | what is next immediate action to perform to recover lost programs? |
| 11:10.02 | wols_ | reinstall them |
| 11:10.05 | jaami | what was wrong with the aptitude command? aptitude remove vmware? |
| 11:10.26 | wols_ | the aptitude command completed something from what you did before. I dunno what you did then |
| 11:10.38 | jaami | ohh |
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| 11:12.29 | qewzee | anyone care to help on that issue: http://serverfault.com/questions/558374/failing-to-route-subnet ? |
| 11:12.58 | jaami | wols_, i did this before aptitude command http://paste.debian.net/68566/ |
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| 11:14.55 | jaami | wols_, update upgrade can reinstall those programs i lost? |
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| 11:15.21 | jaami | wols_, will i do install of each and every lost program one by one? |
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| 11:16.22 | wols_ | jaami: just reinstall whatever you want back. I cannot tell you what you want, only you yourself can |
| 11:16.55 | jaami | okay, |
| 11:17.12 | jaami | i will install all of them one by one |
| 11:17.33 | wols_ | not one by one. install e.g. libreoffice, gnome, java |
| 11:18.11 | jaami | oh ok. thanks |
| 11:18.35 | jaami | plz also gude me how to get rid of damn vmplayer |
| 11:18.41 | jaami | guide** |
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| 11:19.03 | jaami | vmware player*** |
| 11:19.05 | wols_ | jaami: dpkg -l |grep vmplay |
| 11:19.12 | jaami | ahh, ic |
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| 11:23.42 | jaami | wols_, the command returned nothing. |
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| 11:24.43 | wols_ | dpkg -l |grep vmware |
| 11:24.43 | dpkg | ii |grep vmware 2.4-14 wols_'s private porn collection |
| 11:24.49 | jrock2004 | Installed Debian Wheezy on my macbook pro and having problems booting. Getting stuck at waiting for /dev.to be fully populated bcma |
| 11:24.57 | wols_ | and it only works if you installed the vmware software via apt or dpkg |
| 11:25.06 | jrock2004 | I installed the firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 11:25.57 | Foxtrot | wwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyYYY? |
| 11:26.00 | Foxtrot | lol |
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| 11:28.02 | jrock2004 | tried adding apci=off to kernel line and still nothing |
| 11:28.15 | jrock2004 | tried to boot into recovery and it gets stuck there too |
| 11:28.46 | jrock2004 | any ideas on what I could try |
| 11:29.55 | Foxtrot | Well, you bought a mac |
| 11:30.04 | Foxtrot | So, its obviously going to be difficult |
| 11:30.10 | Foxtrot | google around for a tutorial |
| 11:30.23 | Foxtrot | There is bound to be more than one in more than one type of media |
| 11:30.30 | jrock2004 | I looked and most install guide just do a basic install and it works |
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| 11:30.47 | jrock2004 | I agree Foxtrot but not being able to boot is a tuff one |
| 11:31.01 | Foxtrot | Maybe you just installed it wrong then? |
| 11:31.05 | Foxtrot | Follow a guide |
| 11:31.16 | Foxtrot | I have hardware troubles on this Aspire One D270 |
| 11:31.24 | Foxtrot | But im running leenux fine now |
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| 11:32.46 | jaami | http://paste.debian.net/68567/ thats output. but i installed vmware with ./vmware-player --console |
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| 11:33.36 | jaami | wols_, that way of installing leaves no track! |
| 11:33.49 | jaami | ? |
| 11:33.49 | Kobra | what happened to "nvidia-glx"? a dist-upgrade wants to remove it; is that correct? |
| 11:34.47 | Kobra | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 11:34.48 | Kobra | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.48 | Kobra | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 11:34.48 | Kobra | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.48 | Kobra | The following packages have been kept back: |
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| 11:34.54 | Foxtrot | lol |
| 11:34.57 | Foxtrot | nice |
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| 11:35.10 | Kobra | sigh |
| 11:35.10 | jaami | wols_, sorry the command i used to install was ./vmplayer.bundle --nocondole |
| 11:35.13 | Foxtrot | oh kate |
| 11:35.30 | Kobra | http://pastebin.com/UyambENw |
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| 11:35.37 | Kobra | does this look right? |
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| 11:36.55 | jaami | wols_, sorry for mistake again , typing error. ./vmware-player.bundle --console |
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| 11:38.16 | jaami | is there a way to uninstall vmware player |
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| 11:41.02 | wols_ | jaami: I don't know. ask vmware not #debian |
| 11:41.05 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 11:41.06 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware #vmware on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
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| 11:43.10 | jaami | wols_, thans for help, i will check vmware docs. |
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| 11:43.18 | petern_ | Kobra, i guess you are not running wheezy, right? |
| 11:43.26 | Kobra | nope, sid |
| 11:43.34 | jaami | thanks** |
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| 11:43.55 | petern_ | alright, see topic: testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 11:44.19 | Kobra | petern_: TIL |
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| 11:49.24 | g00se | Little disappointed that a 16GB stick with mbr and /dev/zeroed fat32 partition has only compressed (gz) to 2GB. Is there a better way to save *to a file*? I'm suspicious of stuff like partimage as in the past it's refused to work for me owing to incompatible versions on source and target. |
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| 11:50.37 | wols_ | g00se: lzma? and why not use clonezilla? |
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| 11:53.03 | g00se | wols_: Shall look into it. clonezilla has no compatibility probs between source and target normally? |
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| 11:53.28 | wols_ | it does use partimage... |
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| 11:56.53 | g00se | wols_: Hmm. So lzma should give smaller file size for that kind of content? |
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| 11:59.15 | wols_ | probably. it's a better algorithm than gzip usually |
| 11:59.44 | g00se | Thanks - i'll give it a go |
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| 12:03.17 | wols_ | why would you _want_ to compress a file of zeros? |
| 12:03.31 | wols_ | RLE is of course "best" there but pointless |
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| 12:08.57 | g00se | wols_: Well there is of course no theoretical need to do so but a 'home-brewed' approach of partition backup i think should avoid just truncation, just in case there are inaccuracies |
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| 12:20.58 | luichi | Hello |
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| 12:22.22 | luichi | Can lm-senaors removed or is needed for something? ( i know you can read temperatures etc) |
| 12:22.43 | luichi | *lm-sensors |
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| 12:23.59 | dutchfish | luichi, `aptitude why lm-sensors` would tell. basically, yes. |
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| 12:24.47 | luichi | dutchfish: i dont have aptitude |
| 12:25.41 | dutchfish | luichi, what debian version are you running? |
| 12:25.59 | aguitel | scanner is not working ,anyone trying to install epson multifunction cx 5600 ? |
| 12:26.04 | luichi | The last one but i removed it |
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| 12:27.07 | halt | Hi all, on every startup, i got the "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent." error when i try to run ssh-add, i know a way around it, to run eval $(ssh-agent) but I'm sure something is wrong with my setup because this should not happen, any guees ? |
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| 12:32.37 | wols_ | aguitel: sane-project.org doesn't list this epson |
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| 12:37.36 | aguitel | wols_, ok |
| 12:37.55 | wols_ | aguitel: there are commercial drivers too. maybe they work |
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| 12:38.36 | wols_ | aguitel: http://www.hamrick.com/ |
| 12:39.04 | aguitel | wols_, thanks |
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| 12:46.08 | nosklo | dpkg: <3 |
| 12:46.09 | dpkg | nosklo: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 13:08.31 | pagios | hi all, can someone give me the source.list to include in my source.list file |
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| 13:10.26 | dutchfish | pagios, http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
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| 13:14.54 | pagios | thanks |
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| 13:18.04 | dutchfish | yw |
| 13:19.00 | g00se | wols_: I tried xz. It produced a file of c. 800Mb as opposed to 2Gb, taking 42 minutes as opposed to 8. What surprises me is that a supposedly zeroed partition is taking up so much space in either ... |
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| 13:24.42 | oskie | zeroed partition? |
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| 13:26.03 | tremon | g00se: dd if=/dev/zero count=2M bs=1k | xz produces only a 250kB file here |
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| 13:31.28 | g00se | tremon: i think perhaps cat /dev/zero >/dev/sdb1 hasn't done the trick in some way... I would normally have done dd but i just had some old cat commands in the terminal |
| 13:33.01 | wols_ | g00se: it has |
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| 13:33.24 | g00se | wols_: You mean it couldn't *not* do? |
| 13:33.40 | wols_ | dd can do it but your cat command did too |
| 13:33.42 | tremon | it should have. But if xz'ing produces that large a file, it's not zeroed |
| 13:34.19 | g00se | I'm going to xxd at a high offset and take a look |
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| 13:38.45 | bgy | Hi |
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| 13:40.09 | aguitel | wols_, vuescan need serial number ,jeje |
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| 13:45.04 | g00se | wols_: Looks like it didn't work: http://paste.debian.net/68581/ Title of that was meant to be 'bs10Mskip100.txt' but it seems not to have come out (perhaps i got my pastebinit wrong) |
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| 13:48.48 | habanany | Gm all, guys, for the first time I'm going to install debian, I have been using mint and ubuntu for quit sometime, never had to install driver and I depend on wifi, this is my question, do I need to download the intel pro wireless 3945 or ... is included on debian dvd iso ? |
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| 13:49.19 | wols_ | !tell habanany about firmware image |
| 13:49.36 | wols_ | you will need (non-free) firmware for the 3945abg |
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| 13:51.19 | nosklo | how do I make ntfs usb sticks work out of the box? |
| 13:51.45 | nosklo | tried setuid on ntfs binary, adding the user to the "disk" and "fuse" groups, to no avail |
| 13:51.59 | nosklo | er, ntfs-3g binary |
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| 13:52.59 | thnee | where did the package python-gnomeapplet go in wheezy? it's available in squeeze and sid, but not wheezy, how does that make sense? |
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| 13:54.31 | nosklo | oh, the installer added garbage to /etc/fstab regarding my usb stick installer! |
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| 13:55.05 | habanany | wols I appreciate your quick reply, but , I have that non free located alredy, my question is , do I need to go through the download process , I thought the dvd image included a workaround |
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| 13:56.14 | nosklo | manually removing the garbage the installer added to /etc/fstab makes ntfs usb stick work again. Thanks! |
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| 13:57.21 | nosklo | habanany: the dvd doesn't contain non-free software. It is completely free |
| 13:58.45 | Woet | is there an easy way to turn a standard debian installation into a minimal one? |
| 13:59.32 | habanany | nosklo question answered, thanks to you too wols |
| 13:59.35 | arafangion | Woet: I don't understand your question. |
| 13:59.49 | arafangion | Woet: You can uninstall packages. |
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| 13:59.52 | Woet | arafangion: a standard debian installation has more packages installed than a minimal one |
| 13:59.53 | Woet | indeed |
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| 14:00.07 | arafangion | Woet: You could use the dpkg selections list? |
| 14:00.08 | Woet | is there an easy one to uninstall all the additional packages that standard has over minimal? |
| 14:00.12 | tremon | aptitude purge '~i!~E' removes everything that isn't marked as essential. That's more minimal than the debian installer gives you |
| 14:00.24 | afidegnum | hello, I am using debian squeeze, please what's the package to install bitcoind and bitcoin-qt ? |
| 14:00.30 | afidegnum | I can't seems to install it |
| 14:00.37 | Woet | tremon: thanks! |
| 14:00.45 | tremon | be careful with that, it looks like it will also remove the kernel image |
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| 14:01.04 | Woet | okay :) |
| 14:03.16 | abrotman | afidegnum: why? use wheezy |
| 14:03.47 | afidegnum | the system I am uisng is not ready fo rwheezy, so I am using squeeze for the moment |
| 14:03.51 | abrotman | why not? |
| 14:03.58 | tremon | hmm, that can't be right. aptitude search ~E doesn't list libc6 as essential |
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| 14:04.42 | abrotman | tremon: it's required |
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| 14:10.59 | habanany | Guys I want to install debian side by side with ubuntu,( usb install) lets say that I download the non free wifi debian driver and so on, is it possible to access ubuntu from the live debian, I have tried before and I get a non privilege prompt , im very new guys , bear with me |
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| 14:11.13 | tremon | Woet: a better search query would be '?installed?not(?or(?essential, ?reverse-depends(?essential)))'. Apparently, not all dependencies of essential:yes packages are marked essential themselves, this query specifically excludes those too |
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| 14:13.26 | wols_ | habanany: yes you can mount ubuntu but will have to deal with permissions of course |
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| 14:13.45 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 14:14.07 | habanany | wols thanks |
| 14:14.29 | cousin_luigi | would like to try building the latest stable release of a package, but he's not quite sure how do do that. |
| 14:15.07 | wols_ | cousin_luigi: get the source and run dpkg-buildpackage on that. but the debian binary repos already have that, so why bother? |
| 14:15.09 | tremon | would advise cousin_luigi to talk to dpkg about ssb |
| 14:15.44 | Woet | tremon: awesome, thanks! |
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| 14:17.22 | cousin_luigi | wols_: does dpkg-buildpackage require rules for that? |
| 14:18.14 | wols_ | yes |
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| 14:18.46 | cousin_luigi | wols_: where are they to be found? An older version of the package is available from the repository. |
| 14:19.08 | wols_ | what exactly are you tring to compile? |
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| 14:19.28 | habanany | wols one more question, the debian site recommends to download the firmware from aptitude or synaptic, is it ok to add that wifi specific firmware into ubuntu for later on to retrieve it from debian ? |
| 14:19.36 | cousin_luigi | wols_: liferea 1.11 |
| 14:19.44 | wols_ | habanany: sure you can |
| 14:19.47 | cousin_luigi | wols_: or whatever the latest upstream stable is |
| 14:19.50 | wols_ | ,v liferea |
| 14:19.51 | judd | Package: liferea on i386 -- squeeze: 1.6.4-1; wheezy: 1.8.6-1.1; wheezy-backports: 1.8.15-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.10.3-1; sid: 1.10.3-1 |
| 14:19.55 | tremon | !uupdate |
| 14:19.55 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
| 14:20.01 | wols_ | !tell cousin_luigi about ssb |
| 14:20.23 | wols_ | cousin_luigi: use the source package from jessie to get the /debian/ subdir |
| 14:21.29 | cousin_luigi | wols_: let's assume I'm using a tarball: how can I manually recover the rules for dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 14:21.35 | cousin_luigi | ah ok |
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| 14:25.43 | habanany | wols out of curiosity, when you download a firmware on a os wich is not the one intended to work with , what happen next, does that specific file just resides inside the os as useless file ? Could that file cause interference or something like that ? |
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| 14:26.15 | wols_ | it won't interfere |
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| 14:27.18 | habanany | wols thanks |
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| 14:34.06 | bgy | Hi |
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| 14:37.14 | roger21 | hey, is there cli-tool to know the battery charge level or a proc/sys/dev file to read ? |
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| 14:38.18 | abrotman | roger21: yes, though the name eludes me .. |
| 14:38.43 | abrotman | roger21: try "acpi" at the terminal |
| 14:38.53 | habanany | wols I added the wifi line to my ubuntu, just restarted pc ... im on usb debian install process ... missing firmware if you have such media avaliable now , insert and continue ... could you help ? |
| 14:39.16 | abrotman | habanany: I think you want #ubuntu ? |
| 14:39.23 | cousin_luigi | wols_: I ended up using the jessie build:) |
| 14:39.27 | cousin_luigi | thanks, bbl |
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| 14:40.48 | habanany | abrotman I want both |
| 14:40.59 | wols_ | habanany: added what "ubuntu line"? |
| 14:41.01 | habanany | Never tried dehian |
| 14:41.18 | wols_ | habanany: you should read the install guide /msg dpkg ig instead of asking many many questions in here |
| 14:41.40 | wols_ | habanany: I gave you an easy way you didn't want, so now you better read the ig instead |
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| 14:43.28 | abrotman | habanany: if you need help with Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu. We don't support it here |
| 14:43.35 | habanany | wols I added the debian firmware into ubuntu , I thought once installed on ubuntu I could retrieve it from debian, thats what I asked you before |
| 14:44.05 | wols_ | abrotman: he has ubuntu installed and wants to install debian on a 2nd partition |
| 14:44.21 | abrotman | just use the firmware installer? |
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| 14:44.33 | wols_ | abrotman: given the link long ago. didn't want |
| 14:45.17 | abrotman | so, self inflicted? |
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| 14:46.22 | wols_ | habanany: debian is not magical and isn't looking all over your harddisk for the off chance a firmware might be there. please read chapter 6.4 of the install manual |
| 14:46.54 | habanany | Didnt see the link , sorry about that , I will scroll and check , thanks to u all |
| 14:47.04 | wols_ | !tell habanany about ig |
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| 14:53.37 | habanany | wols about ig ??? |
| 14:53.46 | habanany | Me lost |
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| 14:54.24 | wols_ | dpkg sent you a message. with a link |
| 14:54.25 | dpkg | wols_: i haven't a clue |
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| 15:12.27 | johndoe | ive screwed up my grub install. reinstalling it with "grub-install /dev/sda" gives me this error: |
| 15:12.31 | johndoe | cp: cannot create regular file ‘/boot/grub/i386-pc/part_sunpc.mod’: Invalid argument |
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| 15:12.47 | johndoe | what should i do about it? |
| 15:13.01 | ompaul | !grub |
| 15:13.02 | dpkg | GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub squeeze>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 #grub on irc.freenode.net. See also <grub legacy>. |
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| 15:22.01 | habanany | Is it possible to use the same swap in two diferent distro installed side by side ? |
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| 15:22.29 | zykotick9 | habanany: possible yes, BUT if you use hibernate = BAD idea |
| 15:22.35 | anigma | So, I managed to upgrade my server from squeeze to wheezy, when doing so I f'ed up postfix and dovecot. I selected to keep the current config files for them both (which might have been stupid?!). Now however, I get tons of errors. What would be the best way to debug this? If I'd start from scratch (reinstall both postfix and dovecot), I wouldn't lose the emails stored in my mailbox base? |
| 15:22.40 | habanany | Ok ok |
| 15:22.52 | habanany | Thanks a lot |
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| 15:23.08 | abrotman | anigma: sharing the errors is a good start |
| 15:24.15 | anigma | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/K7NJ46Wr <- they are mostly config warnings |
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| 15:27.44 | bugzc | hello. so i have a debian 6 box with 3 nics. 1xrealtek onboard, 2x intel desktop cards. the 2 intels are in a bond0/mode6. system also running a web server on port 80 (openmediavault). when i boot it up i cant ssh into it from either IP address (eth0 or bond0 targets). I can access the web server on port 80. once ive accessed the webpage once, i can then ssh into the box. i am left confused. |
| 15:27.45 | bugzc | any ideas? |
| 15:28.18 | johndoe | ompaul: thanks, fixed :) |
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| 15:28.47 | abrotman | anigma: did you look in /etc/dovecot/ for a new config file ? |
| 15:29.03 | abrotman | it also tells you how to fix them ? |
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| 15:32.10 | anigma | abrotman: there's a dovecot.conf.ucf-dist in there. However it lacks a great deal of what I have in dovecot.conf |
| 15:32.23 | anigma | I'm not sure if dovecot.conf.ucf-dist is the "new" config file? |
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| 15:52.10 | habanany | Guys debian default user name and password please |
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| 15:52.30 | abrotman | the one you provided during installation |
| 15:52.31 | xand | habanany: there isn't one. |
| 15:53.14 | habanany | xand I got prompted to enter both |
| 15:53.25 | ompaul | and you did |
| 15:53.29 | ompaul | so you know them we don't |
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| 15:54.04 | sadwolf | one ati driver to rule them all! |
| 15:54.12 | ompaul | is confused why people don't use a pen and paper when they use computers to write down "interesting things" as they install computers |
| 15:54.15 | habanany | I tried enter twice in blank and nothing |
| 15:54.26 | habanany | I tried also debian debian nothing |
| 15:54.26 | ompaul | you decide what you want |
| 15:54.35 | xand | habanany: you choose the username and password... |
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| 15:54.41 | sadwolf | one driver dies a million cries |
| 15:55.13 | sadwolf | habanany switch the distro to single user run level and reset the password |
| 15:55.30 | ompaul | sadwolf: do you think the install was completed? |
| 15:55.32 | habanany | Will try that |
| 15:56.33 | sadwolf | i've got the same problem |
| 15:56.44 | sadwolf | some month ago |
| 15:56.54 | habanany | How do I switch distro ? |
| 15:57.08 | sadwolf | but in my case I had a corrupted package in my downloaded iso |
| 15:57.24 | habanany | I cant get out of ms dos |
| 15:57.54 | habanany | Or black screen |
| 15:57.54 | sadwolf | on the grub |
| 15:58.06 | habanany | Yep grub |
| 15:58.10 | habanany | Thanks |
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| 15:58.48 | sadwolf | you have to edit the grub line so you enter the run level of the system, altenatively you can try to reinstall debian |
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| 15:59.49 | sadwolf | if you want to try the grub way |
| 15:59.54 | habanany | Will reinstall |
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| 16:00.03 | sadwolf | reset the root password http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-reset-debian-root-password.html |
| 16:00.20 | sadwolf | then enter as root and then add a user |
| 16:00.24 | habanany | Thanks for the link |
| 16:00.25 | xand | or you can reboot from a live cd and edit /etc/shadow |
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| 16:01.33 | sadwolf | but if the problem is that debian didn't ask you anything, maybe there where an error during the installation |
| 16:01.46 | sadwolf | *there were |
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| 16:04.12 | boratynskikamil | ello. I have a problem. My security = user, I created some share with valid user = kowalski, then I created kowalki user at UNIX machine, but when I try to login from Windows machine to this share using kowalski credentials, I'm not able to do it. Any suggestion? |
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| 16:16.40 | jhutchins | boratynskikamil: Did you set the smbpasswd? |
| 16:17.10 | boratynskikamil | jhutchins: Nope, is it nescessary? |
| 16:17.24 | boratynskikamil | I mean. Shouldn't it use UNIX-account password? |
| 16:17.38 | ompaul | it has it's own auth |
| 16:17.43 | jhutchins | boratynskikamil: Not unless you tell it to. |
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| 16:18.07 | boratynskikamil | o.O |
| 16:18.16 | boratynskikamil | Nice. |
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| 16:19.14 | boratynskikamil | So how should I do it? I mean, tell SAMBA to use UNIX credentials? |
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| 16:21.38 | jhutchins | boratynskikamil: You'd have to read the samba docs, nobody remembers that stuff once they've finished setting up. |
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| 16:21.55 | jhutchins | boratynskikamil: It's much easier to just set the passwords. |
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| 16:23.45 | Dirkos | how can i check if my console output is utf8? |
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| 16:25.22 | Kobaz | display something that's utf8 |
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| 16:26.13 | riskinho | hi people,do you wanna earn some money?this is the best way www.libertagia.com/riskinho,create your Network and get some money folks! |
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| 16:31.53 | hoyang | :) |
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| 16:35.16 | Luichi | hello |
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| 16:35.44 | Luichi | how can i change usb hdd pid and vid? |
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| 16:42.47 | habanany | Guys I login in to debian but I cant go beyond bash |
| 16:42.49 | wols_ | Luichi: what are pid and vid? process id and voltage? |
| 16:43.01 | wols_ | habanany: have you installed xorg and a desktop environment? |
| 16:43.36 | habanany | I have no idea , my first devian installation |
| 16:43.44 | wols_ | habanany: what videocard do you have? |
| 16:43.51 | habanany | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.54 | wols_ | and what desktop environment do you want? |
| 16:44.00 | Luichi | wols_, vendor id and product id |
| 16:44.10 | Kobaz | habanany: startx ? |
| 16:44.14 | Kobaz | did you install x? |
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| 16:44.30 | wols_ | Luichi: you cannot change the USB id |
| 16:44.31 | boratynskikamil | jhutchins: Ok. I added password for kowalski as: smbpasswd -a kowalski, still doesn't work, suggestions? |
| 16:44.34 | habanany | I installed pae |
| 16:44.49 | wols_ | habanany: install xorg |
| 16:45.04 | ompaul | wols_: tasksel? |
| 16:45.12 | wols_ | ompaul: that too |
| 16:45.25 | habanany | What s the command |
| 16:45.34 | Luichi | wols_, in windows theres usb viewer |
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| 16:45.36 | wols_ | habanany: run tasksel as root, choose desktop environment |
| 16:45.46 | wols_ | Luichi: so you want to see USB ids? lsusb |
| 16:46.04 | Kobaz | ~pae |
| 16:46.31 | wols_ | !tell Kobaz about pae |
| 16:46.43 | Luichi | wols_, i want to change |
| 16:46.48 | Kobaz | i'm thinking physical address extension |
| 16:46.51 | wols_ | Luichi: you cannot change usb ids |
| 16:46.55 | Kobaz | but that doesnt make sense to 'install' it |
| 16:47.10 | wols_ | Kobaz: cause habanany doesn't know what he's writing about |
| 16:47.15 | Luichi | is to be able to play with and usb hdd ntfs |
| 16:47.28 | Luichi | in a ps3 |
| 16:47.33 | Kobaz | it appears so |
| 16:47.43 | Luichi | there are tutroials but are for windows |
| 16:48.00 | wols_ | Luichi: show me such a tutorial |
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| 16:54.28 | Luichi | wols_, psx-scene.com/forums/f222/multiman-ntfs-support-tutorial-91390/ |
| 16:54.47 | habanany | If I just knew the right commands |
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| 16:55.59 | habanany | I tried sudo apt-get install tasksel and I got command not found |
| 16:57.17 | jhutchins | boratynskikamil: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/samba.htm http://debian-handbook.info/browse/squeeze/sect.windows-file-server-with-samba.html |
| 16:57.54 | habanany | I give up |
| 16:58.14 | habanany | Thanks guys |
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| 17:01.21 | Luichi | wols_, i think i only have to create and cfg file with vendor id and product id |
| 17:01.41 | Luichi | habanany, what command it says not found? |
| 17:02.08 | Luichi | habanany, sudo or apt or tasksel? |
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| 17:02.29 | habanany | Apt-get install tasksel |
| 17:02.53 | habanany | Sudo apt-get |
| 17:02.58 | Luichi | habanany, yes but the complete error? |
| 17:04.11 | Mysterytrain | is sudo installed |
| 17:04.30 | Mysterytrain | if you're already running as root don't do sudo |
| 17:05.35 | habanany | Ok |
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| 17:06.06 | habanany | Ill do later |
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| 17:07.14 | Mysterytrain | wow hard to believe i was once that lost once upon a time |
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| 17:16.11 | sajjadg | hey guys. I downloaded netinst iso twice today and both time the md5sum don't match. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 17:16.27 | sajjadg | mine is 47947beec244962ed58a3493ac64441d debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:17.05 | wols_ | sajjadg: why do you download the testing installer? |
| 17:17.11 | wols_ | it's NOT there for installing debian |
| 17:17.13 | sajjadg | is there a chance that md5sum of the site is wrong?! |
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| 17:17.53 | sajjadg | wols_, so what's that for? I want to install debian jessie |
| 17:18.02 | mtn | sajjadg: you are going to get the same answer you got on the other debian channel |
| 17:18.11 | wols_ | it's for testing the testing installer. install debian wheezy aka stable |
| 17:18.27 | wols_ | !ops tuwenty spams |
| 17:18.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: wols_ complains about: tuwenty spams |
| 17:18.35 | wols_ | and gogogo spams too |
| 17:18.47 | sajjadg | mtn, 1436-628=808 |
| 17:19.09 | mtn | sajjadg: the proper way to install testing is to use the stable installer and upgrade. |
| 17:19.11 | wols_ | sajjadg: the chance is very high that the testing installer will break |
| 17:19.21 | mtn | sajjadg: or upgrade your stable install |
| 17:20.12 | sajjadg | OK |
| 17:21.06 | sajjadg | no matter if I use DVD, CD or netinst if I want to install just the basic system and then upgrade to jessie right? |
| 17:21.09 | wols_ | !ops orioca and gogogo are spammers too. same spam as tuwenty was |
| 17:21.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: wols_ complains about: orioca and gogogo are spammers too. same spam as tuwenty was |
| 17:21.21 | wols_ | sajjadg: yes. always the same installer |
| 17:21.26 | mtn | sajjadg: that would be the quickest |
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| 17:22.18 | suser1 | !ati |
| 17:22.19 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:23.09 | jgmdev | can you guys recommend a rolling release approach on debian? |
| 17:23.31 | jgmdev | a way to make debian behave as rolling release |
| 17:23.55 | jgmdev | I guess that by changing apt list to testing |
| 17:24.10 | jgmdev | not sure if sid |
| 17:24.39 | jgmdev | !rolling |
| 17:24.39 | dpkg | Testing is not a rolling release in the strict sense of the word. It is a test platform, currently codenamed <jessie>. It is part of the Debian development process and is gradually being built into the next <stable>. Please go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org for support. See <moving target>. |
| 17:24.47 | mtn | jgmdev: they can both be used that way, but they are not meant to be used as a rolling distro |
| 17:26.05 | jgmdev | mtn: I would like to have up to date kernel and open source video drivers on debian, as some software packages |
| 17:26.44 | mtn | jgmdev: you should check out backports and see if it meets your needs |
| 17:26.53 | wols_ | mtn: no xorg backport |
| 17:27.03 | wols_ | jgmdev: for what videocard? |
| 17:27.38 | jgmdev | radeon hd 6670 |
| 17:28.56 | wols_ | and why would you need totally bleeding edge drivers for a several years old videocard? |
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| 17:29.31 | jgmdev | you should visit the phoronix site which have a lot of video benchmarks |
| 17:29.40 | abrotman | jgmdev: no such thing in Debian |
| 17:29.42 | jgmdev | you will notice the difference in performance |
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| 17:30.44 | sajjadg | mtn, how this backport work? they let you install testing packages on stable? what if you have testing? does it let you install package from unstable? |
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| 17:31.02 | jgmdev | !backport |
| 17:31.02 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 17:31.07 | abrotman | jgmdev: msg the bot |
| 17:31.25 | abrotman | and there's no such thing as a truly rolling release in Debian |
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| 17:32.42 | sajjadg | abrotman, wikipedia defines debian testing and unstable to be some type of rolling! |
| 17:32.57 | abrotman | sajjadg: that's nice, they're lying or stupid |
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| 17:33.04 | sajjadg | albeit not a full rolling |
| 17:33.50 | sajjadg | rolling has a large definition in wiki and they defines it very confusingly! |
| 17:34.04 | abrotman | see my statement |
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| 17:36.45 | well_laid_lawn | how could a bunch of random people editing a wiki be wrong ? |
| 17:37.33 | mtn | it's a matter of opinion anyway |
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| 17:39.36 | g00se | sajjadg: Please give url you are citing |
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| 17:41.03 | abrotman | g00se: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release |
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| 17:46.12 | DeepBlue | is Mare and ubuntu desktop supported? |
| 17:46.22 | DeepBlue | is Mate and ubuntu desktop supported? |
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| 17:47.05 | wols_ | DeepBlue: neither. debian ONLY is supported |
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| 17:48.09 | nkuttler | mate is currently being packaged though |
| 17:48.23 | abrotman | Boo |
| 17:48.28 | nkuttler | !mate |
| 17:48.28 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2 to keep its development active. MATE is not supported in #debian, see <why not mate>. http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. Possibly soon in Debian, see http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-mate-team@lists.alioth.debian.org |
| 17:48.40 | abrotman | still in NEW last I looked |
| 17:48.56 | wols_ | DEs always take years to get into even sid |
| 17:49.06 | abrotman | and somehow, they repackaged something dead upstream for a few years, and it has RC bugs :) |
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| 17:49.18 | nkuttler | i already see mate stuff in sid |
| 17:49.25 | nkuttler | abrotman: yeah.. |
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| 17:50.17 | abrotman | yeah, the actual desktop is still in NEW |
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| 18:04.34 | aemquo | Anyone having issues with Virtualbox not running ISO files ? |
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| 18:04.40 | aemquo | For some reason mine doesn't |
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| 18:08.03 | wols_ | what happens when you mount them? |
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| 18:09.25 | aemquo | You mean with "mount"? They work just fine |
| 18:09.47 | aemquo | Virtualbox loads the iso to the point where you can select "boot ...", but after that it just has a black screen |
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| 18:13.43 | phy1729 | aemquo: you have a 64 bit install disk and a 32 bit vm |
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| 18:15.22 | aemquo | I'm running 64 bit Debian, I tried booting arch with both 64bit and 32bit, neither works |
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| 18:15.41 | aemquo | My XP ISO works though, not sure why |
| 18:15.53 | abrotman | sounds like a problem wit h the arch iso ? |
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| 18:16.02 | aemquo | I've also tried gparted i486, that doesn't work either |
| 18:16.45 | abrotman | aemquo: how did you install virtual box? |
| 18:16.57 | aemquo | apt-get |
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| 18:17.40 | abrotman | maybe your ISO is corrupted? |
| 18:17.58 | aemquo | I've checked the sha sums |
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| 18:18.31 | LinuxGuy2020 | Im about to upgrade both my desktp and laptop to SSD drives. Both run Wheezy. Will there be any issues with trim support being automatically enabled or does that have to be done manually? |
| 18:18.36 | phy1729 | aemquo: is the OS type Debian_64 ? |
| 18:18.48 | aemquo | My OS is 64 bit |
| 18:18.54 | wols_ | LinuxGuy2020: manually via "discard" option in fstab |
| 18:19.03 | phy1729 | is the virtual machine 64 bit? |
| 18:19.18 | aemquo | Yes |
| 18:19.36 | LinuxGuy2020 | wols_: Ok thanks. Thats easy enough. |
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| 18:22.07 | aemquo | At the end of the log file after it crashes, I have "00:00:23.245 ERROR [COM]: aRC=E_ACCESSDENIED (0x80070005) aIID={1968b7d3-e3bf-4ceb-99e0-cb7c913317bb} aComponent={Console} aText={The virtual machine is not powered up}, preserve=false" |
| 18:22.26 | abrotman | aemquo: what are the perms on the ISO file ? |
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| 18:22.48 | aemquo | I put 0777 |
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| 18:31.41 | blast_hardcheese | What's the deal with aptitude's markauto? I ran markauto '?installed !?essential', which marked every single non-essential package as automatic |
| 18:31.45 | aemquo | Could it be an issue with the kernel? I remember doing a kernel update some time ago and vbox has worked just fine before that |
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| 18:32.01 | blast_hardcheese | which should have uninstalled everything non-essential, I would have assumed |
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| 18:32.42 | Walex2 | blast_hardcheese: hang on for link on how to deal with those things... |
| 18:32.53 | blast_hardcheese | Walex2: Thanks |
| 18:33.15 | Walex2 | blast_hardcheese: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html#130414 |
| 18:33.53 | Walex2 | blast_hardcheese: towards the middle there are quite a few sample filters that I use to deal with marking packages manual or auto etc. |
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| 18:38.02 | blast_hardcheese | Walex2: Great! |
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| 18:55.37 | crowdCtrl | hello! newb here. question: i have debian with python 2.7 installed. what i need to do if i want to upgrade it to newer version? adding some repository and running update&&upgrade will be enough? |
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| 19:06.52 | abrotman | crowdCtrl: chroot is the easiest, messing with the system python generally breaks things |
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| 19:23.22 | jrock20041 | Installed Debian 7.2 Wheezy on macbook pro. Did basic install and installed firmware-linux-nonfree and everything was fine. Using tasksel I installed desktop environment and when I reboot I am stuck |
| 19:23.36 | jrock20041 | bcma: PMU resource config unknown |
| 19:24.00 | jrock20041 | I tried bootin to rescue mode and it will not boot either |
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| 19:24.23 | jrock20041 | is there a way to boot net install disk mount partitions and try to fix? |
| 19:24.51 | dondelelcaro | jrock20041: you can just boot off of the install media, and use that rescue mode |
| 19:25.11 | dondelelcaro | jrock20041: you could also try booting using the older kernel |
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| 19:26.05 | jrock20041 | the kernel was not updated |
| 19:26.28 | jrock20041 | So booting usb do I select advance options? |
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| 19:26.57 | dondelelcaro | jrock20041: if the kernel wasn't updated, then it should still boot... try booting without the quiet option so you can see what exactly is happening |
| 19:27.43 | jrock20041 | ok, I also already had to put in nomodeset to get it to originally boot |
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| 19:28.14 | aemquo | how does one disable a service from running? |
| 19:28.22 | aemquo | Completely, not just stop one time |
| 19:29.04 | jhutchins | aemquo: update-rc.d or one of the other tools. |
| 19:29.06 | jrock20041 | ok, so the message is conflicting fb hw usage radeonfb vs efi vga - removing generic driver. dondelelcaro any thoughts? |
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| 19:30.15 | jrock20041 | on the grub line can I specify a fb to use |
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| 19:33.19 | jrock20041 | dondelelcaro: so it looks like I need to go install the nvidia-lernel-dkms, is there a way to get to a command prompt using rescue mode so I can install it? |
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| 19:36.06 | dondelelcaro | jrock20041: you should actually be able to boot it into single user mode, and then just install it |
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| 19:36.54 | dondelelcaro | jrock20041: if you edit the kernel command line and add single to the end of it, you should be good |
| 19:37.02 | dondelelcaro | jrock20041: you can then bring up the network and install that package |
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| 19:38.39 | jrock20041 | dondelelcaro: adding single did not get me to boot |
| 19:38.48 | jrock20041 | should I try the rescue stuff? |
| 19:39.34 | mogglemab | Hi, so, I have an intel Intel 320 Series SSDs |
| 19:39.50 | mogglemab | And I'd like to use over-provisioning on it to improve performance and durability |
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| 19:41.16 | mogglemab | How do I do that? It looks like, from some googling, that I just shrink my used partition and leave like 20% of the space on the drive "free"? |
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| 19:43.17 | dondelelcaro | jrock20041: sure, you can try the rescue stuff. you'll just boot, it'll walk you through mounting your drives, and from the command line you can install those packages |
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| 19:45.07 | dondelelcaro | mogglemab: presumably, you also have to mark the free bits using hdparm as well. |
| 19:45.17 | dondelelcaro | mogglemab: but I've never bothered with that myself |
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| 19:45.31 | mogglemab | dondelelcaro: ah, thank you. |
| 19:45.32 | dondelelcaro | mogglemab: http://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/SSD_Over-provisioning_using_hdparm has some information on it |
| 19:45.43 | mogglemab | dondelelcaro: sweet |
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| 19:47.36 | dondelelcaro | mogglemab: no problem; good luck with that |
| 19:47.43 | dondelelcaro | mogglemab: I'd strongly suggest having a backup before you do that, too |
| 19:48.00 | mogglemab | dondelelcaro: yep got on-site and off-site backups |
| 19:48.15 | mogglemab | screwing around with my disk is not something to be taken lightly |
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| 19:48.44 | dondelelcaro | yeah |
| 19:48.47 | mogglemab | esp if I'm trying to increase dirability of my ssd by over-provisioning... the *irony* |
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| 19:49.12 | dondelelcaro | it's mainly just because it's really easy to enter the wrong numbers into hdparm and shrink your device more than you wanted to |
| 19:50.10 | mogglemab | Hah! This thing requires a " --yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing" flag |
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| 19:56.21 | operhiem1 | mogglemab: Figuratively or literally? |
| 19:56.28 | mogglemab | operhiem1: literally |
| 19:56.36 | operhiem1 | I like that software then. |
| 19:56.53 | operhiem1 | Reminds me of cmake . -DI_HAVE_READ_THE_README=ON |
| 19:57.23 | jrock20041 | dondelelcaro: so I can now boot debian with no extra grub line parameters |
| 19:57.36 | mogglemab | operhiem1: I quoted the flag directly :-). good software. |
| 19:58.09 | mogglemab | well I'm going to run backups again and then take stuff offline and resize my disk... cheers all |
| 19:58.12 | mogglemab | thanks |
| 19:59.00 | jrock20041 | dondelelcaro: now I need to get X working but that should not be too dificult |
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| 20:15.25 | jrock20041 | If having issues getting X to work, is it best to ask the xorg channgel? |
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| 20:16.33 | hallah | I'd like to inteject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. |
| 20:16.33 | hallah | Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. |
| 20:16.33 | hallah | There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in |
| 20:16.33 | hallah | combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux. |
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| 20:17.16 | jrock20041 | Cannot get X to start, here is my log file http://paste.debian.net/68621 thoughts? |
| 20:18.22 | jrock20041 | Here is my lspci http://paste.debian.net/68623 |
| 20:18.35 | jrock20041 | Here is my xorg http://paste.debian.net/68620 |
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| 20:21.07 | teraflops | jrock20041: do you have the option for deactivating the ati discrete card on bios/uefi? |
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| 20:21.34 | jrock20041 | teraflops: no, its a macbook pro |
| 20:21.45 | teraflops | simply blacklist then |
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| 20:23.07 | jrock20041 | teraflops: how would I black list it? would I put blacklist fglrx in the blacklist.conf |
| 20:24.06 | teraflops | if you are using fglrx yes |
| 20:24.34 | jrock20041 | teraflops: added, rebooting now |
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| 20:24.43 | teraflops | good luck |
| 20:25.20 | teraflops | jrock20041: btw do you have a custom xorg config file? |
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| 20:26.09 | jrock20041 | teraflops: yes, should I delete it? |
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| 20:26.20 | jrock20041 | I did the aticonfig --initial |
| 20:26.41 | teraflops | or move out |
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| 20:27.01 | teraflops | yeah move this file out |
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| 20:28.05 | jrock20041 | did that and it failed |
| 20:28.11 | jrock20041 | let me repaste the new log |
| 20:28.43 | jrock20041 | http://paste.debian.net/68626 |
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| 20:29.54 | teraflops | jrock20041: are you runing deboan in efi mode? |
| 20:29.56 | teraflops | debian |
| 20:30.19 | jrock20041 | Not sure, how would I check that? |
| 20:30.35 | teraflops | by many methods |
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| 20:31.16 | teraflops | look at fstab |
| 20:31.40 | teraflops | do you have an efi partition mounted at boot? |
| 20:32.11 | jrock20041 | I do see a line that says /boot/efi |
| 20:32.13 | jrock20041 | so I would guess yes |
| 20:32.22 | teraflops | yep |
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| 20:33.02 | teraflops | well i have tested only intel hd3000's macbook on debian uin efi |
| 20:33.15 | teraflops | s/uin/on |
| 20:33.28 | teraflops | nor sure the support on toyr MBP |
| 20:33.33 | teraflops | lol your |
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| 20:34.02 | jrock20041 | so you are saying that deabian might not support my macbook |
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| 20:34.21 | teraflops | may be reverting and bñacklisting intel instead fglrx but its only a guess |
| 20:34.43 | louisdk | How do I list package installed from release eg. sid? |
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| 20:35.01 | jrock20041 | rebooting now |
| 20:35.06 | teraflops | not sure jrock20041 did you read the wiki? |
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| 20:36.12 | jrock20041 | I have. Not see many discussions on the macbook pro 8,3 |
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| 20:36.30 | teraflops | mmm, 8,1 tested here but using archlinux |
| 20:36.46 | malimbar | does someone have a good resource to making .deb packages? aparently the one I used a long time ago isn't there anymore |
| 20:36.57 | malimbar | something nice and simple |
| 20:38.12 | jrock20041 | teraflops: got it to work |
| 20:38.29 | teraflops | jrock20041: may be reading macbook archwiki may help you, its not debian but you re saying theres not much info |
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| 20:38.35 | teraflops | it worked? |
| 20:38.48 | jrock20041 | well just blacklisting intel did not do the trick |
| 20:39.03 | teraflops | yeah you are a lucky man |
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| 20:39.31 | jrock20041 | I did Xorg -configure |
| 20:39.41 | teraflops | oh sure |
| 20:39.46 | jrock20041 | moved the tmp file to /etc/X11/ and it worked |
| 20:39.51 | teraflops | i forgot that |
| 20:39.57 | teraflops | yi reverted to fglrx |
| 20:40.02 | teraflops | you |
| 20:40.06 | teraflops | blame on me |
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| 20:40.08 | teraflops | lol |
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| 20:41.02 | jrock20041 | it created an ugly looking xorg file though |
| 20:41.08 | teraflops | jrock20041: sure theres a way to tick grub to make your intel car working |
| 20:41.16 | teraflops | s/trick |
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| 20:41.33 | teraflops | eho cares the file lookin' |
| 20:41.36 | teraflops | who |
| 20:42.01 | jrock20041 | well I have X but it is in fallback mode |
| 20:42.21 | jrock20041 | so the cool features are missing |
| 20:42.26 | teraflops | may be aticonfig --initial work at this time |
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| 20:43.09 | teraflops | sorry but my english is pure rubbish |
| 20:43.32 | jrock20041 | could part of my problem be that I am booting with nomodeset on the grub line? |
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| 20:44.10 | teraflops | nomodeset is the recomended way for fglrx as far as i know |
| 20:44.27 | teraflops | but give a try to aticonfig --initial |
| 20:44.38 | teraflops | now you have blacklisted the intel |
| 20:45.58 | teraflops | the more new is the macbook the more tricky becomes instlling linux |
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| 20:46.42 | jrock20041 | teraflops: did not work |
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| 20:47.22 | teraflops | may be editing the generated aticonfig xorg jrock20041 |
| 20:47.37 | teraflops | and fixind the pci and the ores stuff |
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| 20:48.07 | teraflops | s/fixing |
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| 20:48.31 | jrock20041 | http://blog.tkassembled.com/364/intel-graphics-on-a-2011-macbook-pro-in-linux/ |
| 20:48.45 | jrock20041 | I have never compiled a kernel in debian before |
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| 20:49.05 | teraflops | compare the 2 xorgs and see of the pci numbers of the ati are the same jrock20041 |
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| 20:49.45 | jrock20041 | you mean the BusID |
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| 20:54.11 | teraflops | yes jrock20041 |
| 20:54.23 | teraflops | sorry i didnt realized |
| 20:54.24 | jrock20041 | no go still same error |
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| 20:54.47 | teraflops | jrock20041: may be reading macbook archwiki may help you, its not debian but you re saying theres not much info |
| 20:54.49 | jrock20041 | so it looks like my last option is to recompile the kernel |
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| 20:55.13 | jrock20041 | change the intel driver from being a module to built-in |
| 20:55.22 | jrock20041 | Was able to compile kernels in gentoo |
| 20:55.29 | teraflops | MBP 8.1 early 2001 wark fine for me using archlinux |
| 20:55.47 | teraflops | jrock20041: quite easy compiling a kernel by the debian way |
| 20:56.11 | teraflops | s/2011 |
| 20:56.46 | jrock20041 | can I apt-get the kernl sources? |
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| 20:57.07 | teraflops | sure |
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| 20:57.27 | teraflops | or download directly from kernel.org |
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| 20:58.59 | teraflops | jrock20041: you cant apt-get only the stock kernel sources I guess |
| 20:59.03 | teraflops | s/can |
| 20:59.11 | teraflops | so whats the difference? |
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| 21:01.11 | jrock20041 | I need to set the intel video driver from module to builtin |
| 21:01.14 | jrock20041 | then it will work |
| 21:01.44 | teraflops | ok good |
| 21:02.00 | teraflops | stock kernel sources will be fine then |
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| 21:14.46 | bcnjr5 | Anybody knowledgeable on the topic of booting? |
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| 21:16.41 | wols_ | !tell bcnjr5 about anyone |
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| 21:17.38 | bcnjr5 | I bricked my firmware installing debian. Now I cannot even boot from a flash drive. |
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| 21:18.33 | teraflops | blame on you not on debian |
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| 21:19.30 | bcnjr5 | It says "Missing Operating System" when I try to boot anything. |
| 21:21.29 | well_laid_lawn | probably didn't install a bootloader |
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| 21:29.24 | bcnjr5 | I am using the actual firmware. |
| 21:30.02 | wols_ | bcnjr5: uefi or what? |
| 21:30.33 | bcnjr5 | UEFI, although I also tried compatibility mode. |
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| 21:32.27 | bcnjr5 | The installer worked before, but now I can not boot anything. Internal, or external. Debian or Ubuntu installer. Nothing will boot. |
| 21:33.43 | Tjati | Hi there. Is it possible to configure postfix that any mail to a special address (internal@example.com) can only be sent from authenticated users from my organization (john.doe@example.com) but not someone from outside (john.doe@example.net) NOR someone who faked his To:-Field? |
| 21:35.10 | wols_ | Tjati: #postfix (imho) |
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| 21:41.09 | Tjati | wols_: nobody's there :( |
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| 21:51.08 | spudwebb | Hey is this the correct channel to ask about a bug |
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| 21:57.06 | abrotman | spudwebb: could be |
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| 22:03.54 | spudwebb | abrotman, there's a kde bug on sid, I've checked bugs.debian.org and I cannot find it listed. I was thinking I should file a bug report. |
| 22:04.14 | spudwebb | libtaskmanager4abi3 : Depends: libprocesscore4abi1 (= 4:4.10.5-3) but 4:4.11.3-2 is to be installed. |
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| 22:08.32 | spudwebb | in the past when I mention hey there's a bug in sid, people just tell me I should uninstall and never run sid again, what do I expect from unstable.. |
| 22:09.04 | spudwebb | Maybe i'm a non-conformist, but I think in order to solve bugs they need to be reported. |
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| 22:13.02 | eblip | i have just tar..ed a .tar.gz file |
| 22:13.10 | eblip | and im wondering where all the files are |
| 22:13.14 | eblip | how can i locate them, |
| 22:13.37 | eblip | they dont appear to be in the directory from which i executed the tar command |
| 22:15.32 | eblip | cracked it |
| 22:15.47 | eblip | they are in a file that hasnt got the tar .gz extension |
| 22:15.51 | eblip | thanks guys |
| 22:16.57 | jhutchins | eblip: You got it from here? |
| 22:19.06 | jhutchins | spudwebb: The reason you get that reaction is because if you don't understand bug reporting, you shouldn't be running sid. |
| 22:19.27 | jhutchins | spudwebb: I'd go for it. |
| 22:19.54 | jhutchins | spudwebb: There's also #debian-next on oftc.net |
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| 22:20.29 | jhutchins | spudwebb: From our point of view, sid is not intended as a working release, it's a staging repository for software migrating into testing. |
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| 22:26.29 | abrotman | spudwebb: yes, file the bug |
| 22:26.42 | abrotman | spudwebb: that's exactly what you're supposed to do |
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| 22:49.22 | spudwebb | abrotman, jhutchins ok thanks |
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| 22:56.22 | Waxhead | After 14 years running Windoze I just 30 minuttes ago ditched it in favor of Debian (who I have been using every now and then for a few years). So my greatest thanks to all the people involved for making it possible to be free!!!! THANK YOU ALL! |
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| 23:00.00 | vs73nx | yes hurray for Linux and hurray for choice and hurray for open source |
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| 23:01.31 | reavengrey | hooray for richard godman |
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| 23:03.36 | teraflops | yes but dont you use non-free repos ... |
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| 23:05.57 | nonconvergent | Trying to make a debian vm boot faster...it's just a web server test environment. |
| 23:07.40 | nonconvergent | tips? |
| 23:08.04 | forcer | nonconvergent: GRUB by default waits a few seconds before booting the default image, that's usually a good chunk of the startup time |
| 23:08.08 | abrotman | uninstall things you don't need that start at boot time? |
| 23:08.22 | nonconvergent | abrotman: I wouldn't know where to start. |
| 23:09.26 | nonconvergent | I didn't install anything but System Utilities at tasksel, then openssh, apache, puppet, chef, ruby, php, and tomcat. |
| 23:09.28 | Waxhead | noconvergent: Boot faster or REBOOT faster?! ksplice makes your "reboots" superfast. |
| 23:09.47 | abrotman | and how often are you booting this thing ? |
| 23:10.08 | nonconvergent | I'm boxing it up for vagrant. I was unsatisfied with the existing boxes. |
| 23:10.21 | vs73nx | although this tutorial is for arch linux it would be a good place to start 'https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Improve_Boot_Performance' |
| 23:10.22 | nonconvergent | Fairly frequent. It's a test environment web server. |
| 23:10.42 | nonconvergent | tomcat has to be kicked over every time you change your JSPs. |
| 23:10.56 | nonconvergent | And I know how terrible it is...but I don't have a choice. |
| 23:10.57 | abrotman | that doesn't reaquire a reboot ... |
| 23:11.23 | forcer | Doing function tests using a fresh VM every time is quite nice |
| 23:11.37 | nonconvergent | forcer: That's what I like about vagrant. |
| 23:12.02 | nonconvergent | I'm still gonna set it up to connect to external db...or maybe even make the database its own seperate vm instance. |
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| 23:12.18 | nonconvergent | and run off of snapshots during the test. |
| 23:12.27 | forcer | nonconvergent: Last time I optimized VM image boot time, I just started it with a "normal" interface so I could watch the boot process and checked what took what amount of time. As I said, the longest I found was the GRUB delay. |
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| 23:13.26 | forcer | Other than that, look at /etc/rc2.d/S* and see if there's stuff there you don't need. Though most of those are usually pretty fast. |
| 23:14.05 | gnubie2 | and how can you circumvent the GRUB delay? |
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| 23:18.09 | nonconvergent | gnubie2: set the timeout to 0. |
| 23:18.18 | nonconvergent | or 1 |
| 23:18.24 | nonconvergent | Haven't tested 0 yet. |
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| 23:19.44 | forcer | Yeah, change GRUB_TIMEOUT in /etc/default/grub |
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| 23:20.19 | gnubie2 | thanks! |
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| 23:20.24 | nonconvergent | How about freeing up space? I'm sitting on 1.3G right now, and that's with apt-get clean already run |
| 23:20.54 | forcer | 874M debian-7.2.0-i386-wheezy.qcow2 |
| 23:21.10 | forcer | That's with a pretty minimal system |
| 23:21.34 | nonconvergent | openjdk-6-jre and openjdk-7-jre are pretty beefy, I think. |
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| 23:21.42 | nonconvergent | ...just the headless stuff |
| 23:21.47 | nonconvergent | for tomcat |
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| 23:22.35 | nonconvergent | ruby and rubygems eat up a lot too... |
| 23:22.57 | nonconvergent | and even though I don't know what to use chef for (following a guide) its service always fails to start |
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| 23:23.49 | forcer | nonconvergent: Try aptitude -F '%I %p' search '~i'|egrep '^[0-9]+[\.,]?[0-9]* [MG]B'|sort -n |
| 23:24.28 | abrotman | nonconvergent: doubt you want chef and puppet |
| 23:24.54 | forcer | If you don't know what to use chef for, you don't need it :-) |
| 23:25.54 | themill | !dpigs |
| 23:25.54 | dpkg | dpigs is a utility showing which installed packages occupy the most space. Available in the debian-goodies package. |
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| 23:28.10 | forcer | Generally, https://wiki.debian.org/FreeSpace has a whole list of ideas :-) |
| 23:28.36 | nonconvergent | abrotman: vagrant uses it for things. |
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| 23:29.34 | forcer | nonconvergent: Not unless you tell it to |
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| 23:30.40 | Almtesh | Hi everyone. |
| 23:30.46 | Almtesh | I wanted some help. |
| 23:30.59 | Almtesh | I have two servers synced by BTSync. |
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| 23:31.02 | nonconvergent | forcer: tried that...don't see anything I can loose in that output...except maybe openjdk-6 |
| 23:31.16 | abrotman | except you use Tomcat? |
| 23:31.23 | forcer | nonconvergent: Might be problematic with Tomcat, no? :-) |
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| 23:31.55 | Almtesh | The first is on my internal network, connected to the Internet, the other is on the Internet. |
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| 23:32.24 | Almtesh | And I have some mobile devices that sync to these servers. |
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| 23:32.41 | lapache_ | Hello, is this possible to associate packets and pid of source processs ? |
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| 23:35.47 | nonconvergent | what's icedtea-7-jre-cacao for? |
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| 23:36.49 | forcer | lapache_: Hm. I don't think so (and I'm not sure it's a good idea, pids change and can be recycled). If you need some kind of accounting, it might be useful to create separate users for that and use the iptables owner module? |
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| 23:39.18 | phy1729 | you can do pid stuff with iptables iirc |
| 23:39.19 | lapache_ | forcer: like it is possible to '--log-uids' of the source process's owner i thought that i can also log the exec name :/ |
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| 23:41.16 | Almtesh | Actually, I want that when the devices are inside my internal network, they connect to local btsync peer only, and when they are elsewhere, they connect to my Internet server. |
| 23:41.26 | nonconvergent | hmm, if I don't have an Xserver, how do I control the resolution of the console? |
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| 23:44.01 | forcer | nonconvergent: GRUB_GFXMODE, for example. Though I wouldn't bother, you won't use that interface much at all anyhow |
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| 23:53.26 | phy1729 | Is there an article on the differences between apt and aptitude and the pros and cons of each? |
| 23:53.28 | fergal32 | waves hello |
| 23:54.35 | zykotick9 | phy1729: you might want to check with dpkg <why aptitude> and <why not aptitude> for a start |
| 23:54.43 | phy1729 | thanks |
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