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| 00:05.31 | abrotman | wolfspy^: amd64 or i386? |
| 00:05.47 | wolfspy^ | Amd64 |
| 00:06.01 | abrotman | wolfspy^: you're installing from a USB drive, right ? |
| 00:06.06 | wolfspy^ | Yes |
| 00:06.10 | abrotman | wolfspy^: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 00:06.20 | abrotman | And I hope you're not using unetbootin |
| 00:06.27 | wolfspy^ | No |
| 00:06.29 | Jonuz | Any idea when wayland will be used in debian? |
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| 00:06.43 | DeepBlue | where 2 get ambiance theme? |
| 00:06.44 | wolfspy^ | abrotman: what is that I so? |
| 00:07.16 | wolfspy^ | Iso* |
| 00:07.43 | abrotman | wolfspy^: the ISO for testing |
| 00:07.46 | abrotman | Jonuz: it's available now |
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| 00:08.00 | wolfspy^ | abrotman: testing what? |
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| 00:09.33 | Penix | abbott and costello moment |
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| 00:24.15 | echofox | everytime i install tightvnc it seems i cant log into my user, and have to change the permmissions of my Xauthority... |
| 00:24.45 | GuestO5531 | what is the lightweightest desktop env |
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| 00:29.36 | mrbean | guest05531 lightweighest I'd say lxde I had it in lubuntu with 384MB ram, slow but usable... for 15 minutes. |
| 00:29.49 | mrbean | or openbox. |
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| 00:31.19 | floyin | Is there a quick way I can uninstall a bunch of packages that got pulled in with my last apt-get dist-upgrade? It seems the package desktop-base somehow got selected and it pulled in all sorts of GNOME packages. I foolishly updated quickly (didn't expect GNOME to get installed as I'm only uising a minimal install with openbox) |
| 00:31.25 | abrotman | there are much lighter |
| 00:32.43 | floyin | I know there's the /var/log/apt/history.log and that shows all of the packages that got installed in the last apt-get command. I don't know of a quick way to parse it to uninstall them. |
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| 00:32.56 | abrotman | awk? sed? |
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| 00:34.11 | floyin | abrotman: I figured I'd be pointed to something of that effect. Looks like I'm learning regular expressions tonight. |
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| 00:35.30 | mrbean | Hello, why aptitude ncurses says I have packages to remove/update but in aptitude CLI there's no mention of that? I always use CLI. |
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| 00:36.38 | zykotick9 | mrbean: are you using "aptitude update" or "aptitude dist-upgrade"? as they are different |
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| 00:37.37 | fortress_ | I'm looking for a notepad/sticky note like program to use in xfce4 that opens / closes with a hot key and has a persistent state. any suggestions? |
| 00:37.48 | mrbean | Today I used safe-upgrade |
| 00:37.51 | abrotman | mrbean: pastebin please |
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| 00:38.44 | mrbean | abrotman: sorry I'm not in the server now. It wanted to update libxml1 and remove cpp and more. |
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| 00:44.16 | sithfm | 9909/ |
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| 00:44.28 | andrej | is there a way tp trigger a rebuild of vmware tools after a kernel upgrade? As it is I'm manually logging into VM's and running /usr/local/vmware/bin/vmware-config-tools.pl -d after a reboot. Tedious, error prone |
| 00:44.38 | andrej | s/tp/to/ |
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| 00:49.49 | sithfm | someone have a suggestion other than rpm for publishing software that builds once the package is downloaded on the target system? |
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| 00:52.57 | addaitech | sithfm: personally i'd tell him ubuntu isnt debian :) |
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| 00:54.08 | sithfm | lol |
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| 00:55.15 | abrotman | sithfm: what? Scribus is not good enough? Which kind of publishing? |
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| 00:56.20 | sithfm | just a compressed source package that will easily build |
| 00:56.57 | sithfm | not publishing software as in publication |
| 00:56.58 | abrotman | sithfm: for which distro? |
| 00:57.18 | sithfm | 'general' |
| 00:57.32 | abrotman | sithfm: for which distro? |
| 00:58.25 | sithfm | for no specific distro |
| 00:58.50 | sithfm | i guess rpm is the only really widespread thing that could handle the dependencies |
| 00:58.58 | abrotman | I already gave you the answer |
| 00:59.10 | sithfm | scribus is for editing pdfs |
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| 00:59.18 | sithfm | unless my googling failed me |
| 00:59.22 | abrotman | It is |
| 00:59.37 | abrotman | if you don't like my answer, try telling us which distro you're using. Or try ##linux |
| 00:59.56 | sithfm | incredible |
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| 01:00.10 | sithfm | i'm talking about software distribution via compilable package |
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| 01:00.16 | sithfm | not page layout |
| 01:00.31 | sithfm | backs away slowly |
| 01:00.35 | abrotman | sithfm: this channel is #debian, what do you think we'll tell you here? |
| 01:00.49 | sithfm | something in the ballpark, at least |
| 01:00.57 | abrotman | if you don't know about apt/dpkg, try using the internet. Wikipedia has a page for packaging formats |
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| 01:01.49 | abrotman | Next time, ask about "software packaging" or "software deployment" |
| 01:02.03 | sithfm | kthx |
| 01:02.23 | sithfm | have a beer on me dude, you sound like maybe you could use one! |
| 01:02.31 | abrotman | have a clue on me ... |
| 01:02.44 | abrotman | sithfm: you might do better in ##linux, which doesn't focus on a particular distro |
| 01:02.57 | sithfm | i'm aware of the channels available |
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| 01:03.46 | sithfm | #linux on dalnet was the only 'linux' channel ever worth a shit though, but that was a decade or more ago |
| 01:04.12 | abrotman | sithfm: do you have a Debian related question? |
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| 01:05.36 | andrej | Ummm ... no. It can do that, too, but it's a stand-alone, fully functional DesktopPublishing program |
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| 01:46.16 | critter | Hi, how can I do a BIOS update on a debian computer? |
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| 01:53.03 | ratcheer | critter: A BIOS update would have nothing to do with Debian |
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| 01:53.52 | ratcheer | critter: You would find how to do it from the computer or motherboard maker |
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| 02:13.31 | sabotender | moo |
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| 02:57.37 | abrotman | PIGGY! |
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| 03:01.45 | reisio | is choosing KDE desktop from the debian installer options supposed to yield a desktop with no panel? :p |
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| 03:02.44 | sabotender | hugs gnome3 |
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| 03:08.07 | k-man | i find http.debian.net sometimes chooses slow mirrors |
| 03:09.06 | dvs | k-man: They all can't be jems |
| 03:09.20 | k-man | dvs, no, i guess not |
| 03:09.56 | k-man | hmm.. imagine if somehow torrents could be used for downloading packages |
| 03:10.18 | k-man | you could simultaneously download packages from all the mirrors |
| 03:10.41 | dvs | O_O |
| 03:11.05 | k-man | https://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent |
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| 03:14.00 | reisio | get to work |
| 03:14.13 | k-man | sounds like bittorrent isn't quite the right fit |
| 03:14.21 | reisio | it's fine, but |
| 03:14.23 | k-man | but the concept is good, just needs a dirrerent protocol |
| 03:14.26 | reisio | it would have to have fallback |
| 03:14.31 | reisio | lots of ISPs hate bittorrent |
| 03:14.37 | reisio | and some just suck at it |
| 03:15.06 | k-man | i think the idea is that it should be able to get from multiple sources simultaneously |
| 03:15.13 | k-man | and p2p sources included in that |
| 03:15.27 | Intensity | Hi. I'm quite confused about compiling a program that uses getopt. It must be so simple - like a missing Debian/Ubuntu package. But even if I #include <unistd.h> and <getopt.h>, I still get: error: implicit declaration of function 'getopt'. Any idea - at all - what might be going on? |
| 03:15.35 | k-man | imagine it was easy for debian users to share their cache of downloaded packages with their peers |
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| 03:15.50 | k-man | and as packages are gpg signed, security shouldn't be an issue |
| 03:17.03 | dondelelcaro | k-man: packages aren't actually signed, but yes, it is possible... but we have enough mirrors that it's really not much of an issue |
| 03:17.59 | k-man | dondelelcaro, aren't they? i thought they were? |
| 03:18.20 | k-man | whats all that gpg key stuff you have to do for packages then? |
| 03:19.15 | k-man | it would seem to me that there at least should be a way for apt-get and co to use multiple mirrors for downloading packages? |
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| 03:19.57 | k-man | i think one suggestion on the page is to use aria2 for downloading package |
| 03:20.00 | k-man | s |
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| 03:22.06 | k-man | http://xmodulo.com/2013/10/speed-slow-apt-get-install-debian-ubuntu.html |
| 03:22.08 | dondelelcaro | k-man: the packages aren't signed directly; the release files are, which indirectly means that the packages hashes are signed |
| 03:22.15 | k-man | apt-fast seems like a good compromise |
| 03:22.23 | k-man | ah i see, thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 03:22.53 | dondelelcaro | k-man: but it effectively means the same thing unless you break the hashing functions |
| 03:25.01 | Lady_Aleena | Are you always ready for newbies having nervous breakdowns when something doesn't work after the first install? |
| 03:25.49 | dondelelcaro | Lady_Aleena: no, but newbies can always ask questions here and hopefully someone will be able to help |
| 03:26.03 | Lady_Aleena | is looking at tomorrow night (if she gets home from shopping early enough) or sometime Wednesday for her first Debian install. |
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| 03:27.10 | Lady_Aleena | dondelelcaro, I break easily when something goes wrong. I would have installed it tonight, but something went wrong in Windows which made me mad. I haven't gotten to a good place for anything again yet. |
| 03:27.28 | Lady_Aleena | needs to find zen. |
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| 03:28.11 | k-man | take a deep breath Lady_Aleena |
| 03:28.27 | k-man | do you have spare hardware for installing it on or are you installing on your windows machine? |
| 03:28.31 | dvs | makes an all-day appointment tomorrow |
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| 03:28.57 | dondelelcaro | Lady_Aleena: usually the install is pretty straightforward, but it's usually best if you don't have to be under pressure to make things work |
| 03:28.58 | Lady_Aleena | k-man, I've breathed deep and made and eaten dinner. I am still looking for calm. |
| 03:29.33 | dondelelcaro | Lady_Aleena: the main question is the hardware that you're installing on; for most of it, it's pretty easy, but sometimes hardware has problems |
| 03:29.38 | Lady_Aleena | k-man, also, the machine I am on now is the one which will have its main drive wiped and Debian installed on it. |
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| 03:30.15 | k-man | Lady_Aleena, ok, if its only going to have debian on it, i think that makes installing easier, as you don't have to worry about dual booting |
| 03:30.17 | Lady_Aleena | I am nuking Microsoft from this computer, almost scorched Earth. |
| 03:30.24 | k-man | yay! |
| 03:31.21 | Lady_Aleena | I'm keeping a few games to see if they work in Wine. |
| 03:32.25 | Lady_Aleena | dvs, make it a two day event just in case I can't get to it until Wednesday. |
| 03:32.48 | dvs | books a vacation |
| 03:33.06 | reisio | Lady_Aleena: 32-bit proc, was it? |
| 03:33.16 | Lady_Aleena | reisio, yes. |
| 03:34.08 | k-man | Lady_Aleena, what installation process will you be using? |
| 03:34.12 | Lady_Aleena | All parts of this computer other than the two hard drives and memory are 10+ years old. |
| 03:34.29 | Lady_Aleena | Wheezy I think it is called. |
| 03:34.30 | reisio | k-man: debian-7.1.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 03:34.55 | dvs | reisio: Thats old |
| 03:35.00 | reisio | dvs: yup |
| 03:35.03 | reisio | but not that old |
| 03:35.24 | Lady_Aleena | It is newer than Windows XP, so an improvement I pray. |
| 03:35.27 | amdp | hello - does anyone know how to fix this: update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match teamspeak Default-Stop values (S 0 1 6) |
| 03:35.28 | reisio | heheheh |
| 03:35.29 | reisio | so true |
| 03:35.41 | k-man | Lady_Aleena, any idea if its 32 bit or 64 bit cpu? if its 10 years old, i susspect 32 bit |
| 03:35.57 | Lady_Aleena | k-man, it's 32. |
| 03:36.17 | k-man | Lady_Aleena, you might save a lot of downloading time if you pre-download the DVDs now |
| 03:36.22 | k-man | does it have a DVD drive? |
| 03:36.38 | k-man | because I'm currently waiting ~8h for my netinst to download and install |
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| 03:36.44 | Lady_Aleena | k-man, I have the disk ready to insert into the DVD-rom. |
| 03:36.46 | k-man | *sigh* |
| 03:36.49 | reisio | 8 hours? |
| 03:36.58 | reisio | you installing in the 90s? :p |
| 03:36.58 | k-man | yes - hence my comments before about slow mirrors |
| 03:37.05 | reisio | oh |
| 03:37.08 | k-man | reisio, worse, in Australia |
| 03:37.10 | reisio | you're not using ftp.us.debian.org or whatever? |
| 03:37.12 | reisio | ahhhhh |
| 03:37.18 | reisio | why didn't you choose a local mirror explicitly? |
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| 03:37.21 | k-man | oh, its back to 4h |
| 03:37.27 | reisio | she's in 'merica anyways |
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| 03:37.38 | k-man | depends on how fast each package comes down as to its time remaining estimate |
| 03:38.13 | k-man | reisio, because i thought http.debian.net was supposed to choose a good one for me |
| 03:38.20 | k-man | maybe i should abandon this install and try again |
| 03:38.37 | Lady_Aleena | k-man, disk is burned, ready to go with a few notes on a little piece of paper in the disk case. |
| 03:38.40 | reisio | k-man: not a bad idea |
| 03:39.03 | k-man | Lady_Aleena, cool |
| 03:39.11 | k-man | Lady_Aleena, good luck with it |
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| 03:39.40 | hanasaki | is there a way to list all the processes ordered by memory usage? |
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| 03:39.58 | Lady_Aleena | The only thing which gets me is I won't have music while I install Debian. I don't have an external CD player. |
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| 03:40.17 | reisio | you _could_ |
| 03:40.19 | reisio | but |
| 03:40.25 | reisio | it would complicate the whole thing |
| 03:40.50 | reisio | hanasaki: think if you hit 'h' in 'top' |
| 03:40.52 | reisio | hanasaki: or use htop |
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| 03:41.27 | Lady_Aleena | reisio, no complications please. I am anxious enough without adding complications. |
| 03:41.43 | reisio | yeah I figured |
| 03:42.21 | Lady_Aleena | I think about it, and my anxiety level increases. Change and I do not get along well. |
| 03:42.52 | reisio | nothing to it |
| 03:43.02 | reisio | if something goes wrong you just fix it |
| 03:43.36 | hanasaki | top not so readable.. will try htop.. tried atop |
| 03:43.50 | hanasaki | any reason why xorg on wheezy would be taking 2.8 gig? |
| 03:43.52 | reisio | htop is more intuitive |
| 03:43.57 | reisio | hanasaki: what makes you think it is |
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| 03:44.28 | hanasaki | reisio: taking 2.8gig? |
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| 03:44.37 | hanasaki | kde task manager |
| 03:44.46 | sithfm | ew kde |
| 03:44.57 | reisio | hanasaki: oh of ram? |
| 03:45.13 | spudwebb | help a ignant brotha out. Is mathematics closer to philosophy or science? |
| 03:45.21 | hanasaki | reisio: yes |
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| 03:45.54 | Lady_Aleena | spudwebb, watch Numb3rs. |
| 03:46.16 | reisio | hanasaki: "unused ram is wasted ram" is the saying |
| 03:46.30 | reisio | hanasaki: if you start another process, it will be re-distributed |
| 03:46.32 | spudwebb | Lady_Aleena, I tried, it was painful and boring |
| 03:46.49 | hanasaki | ah |
| 03:47.07 | reisio | irc! it's where people go when they want to chat under the radar! |
| 03:47.09 | Lady_Aleena | spudwebb, I love it, but it could be I think Rob Morrow is gorgeous. |
| 03:47.11 | spudwebb | I'm listening to lawrence krauss right now and the argument goes both ways. |
| 03:47.23 | spudwebb | I'm not gay though, not that there's anything wrong with that. |
| 03:47.44 | hanasaki | reisio: well I have 16gig ram and 16 gig swap and not much runing yet it ran into a couple hundred meg of swap |
| 03:47.54 | reisio | hanasaki: "unused ram is wasted ram" is the saying |
| 03:47.55 | spudwebb | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iM1HfAr270 |
| 03:47.56 | abrotman | !ot |
| 03:47.57 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 03:48.06 | Lady_Aleena | spudwebb, it is just so romantic in spots. |
| 03:48.09 | spudwebb | ok ok, |
| 03:48.13 | k-man | Lady_Aleena, do you have another computer you can be running use IRC from during the install? |
| 03:48.13 | spudwebb | sorry for ot |
| 03:48.14 | hanasaki | reisio: wouldn't expect any swap in use though |
| 03:48.27 | reisio | hanasaki: what about swap? |
| 03:48.28 | Lady_Aleena | k-man, already prepped. |
| 03:48.38 | sithfm | nice, gnome-panel 3.8! |
| 03:48.46 | k-man | i think you'll be fine Lady_Aleena, don't stress |
| 03:48.49 | sithfm | i love keeping a jessie system :) |
| 03:49.52 | hanasaki | reisio: I would not expect debian to use any swap space on a system that was idle all day (except screen saver) had only less than 25% ram in use this morning |
| 03:50.13 | reisio | hanasaki: well, Linux has some interesting swap defaults |
| 03:50.25 | sithfm | like vm.swappiness |
| 03:50.33 | reisio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swappiness |
| 03:50.34 | reisio | yes |
| 03:50.39 | reisio | "interesting" I should say |
| 03:50.48 | dvs | hanasaki: RAM use doesn't mean anything unless it's swapping a lot. |
| 03:50.50 | Lady_Aleena | k-man, I've been using Windows XP since 2004. I've been using Windows since 3.0 (with DOS 6.0). |
| 03:50.52 | reisio | although strange as it may be to you, I doubt the defaults will ever be a problem |
| 03:51.31 | k-man | Lady_Aleena, why do you want to change? |
| 03:51.42 | k-man | Lady_Aleena, how much ram does your computer have? |
| 03:52.41 | Lady_Aleena | k-man, I can't afford Windows anymore, financially or otherwise. Also, the perl community has been hounding me to leave Windows behind for at least 4 years. |
| 03:52.53 | k-man | ok, thats better, restarted the install but from a debian 7 DVD iso, also using my local apt-cacher-ng and now it got all the packages in minutes |
| 03:52.56 | Lady_Aleena | k-man, 3.5GB. |
| 03:53.09 | k-man | Lady_Aleena, cool |
| 03:53.37 | k-man | i use perl too |
| 03:53.45 | k-man | although, I'm hardly an expert |
| 03:53.55 | hanasaki | resio good article |
| 03:53.58 | Lady_Aleena | k-man, me neither. |
| 03:54.32 | reisio | informative |
| 03:54.33 | reisio | yar |
| 03:54.34 | hanasaki | what runs lighter on ram.. gnome or kde? |
| 03:54.44 | reisio | hanasaki: I wouldn't want to wager |
| 03:54.46 | dvs | hanasaki: neither |
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| 03:55.04 | reisio | Xfce does :) |
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| 03:55.09 | sithfm | i like the current generation of gnome. gnome-shell/openbox/mutter is a really nice DE stack in my opinion |
| 03:55.21 | reisio | but with how much ram you have, you don't need to ask that question |
| 03:55.34 | reisio | openbox/mutter ? |
| 03:55.38 | hanasaki | does wheezy run on any tablets and with touch? |
| 03:55.45 | sithfm | i gues it's clutter not mutter |
| 03:56.11 | sithfm | reisio: libraries |
| 03:56.18 | sithfm | for wm / ui |
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| 03:56.56 | tmallen | hey, can you guys help me out? my machine can't install packages |
| 03:57.07 | sithfm | i got a bad taste in my mouth years ago with kde because of how ridiculous the inter-dependencies are |
| 03:57.20 | dvs | tmallen: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 03:57.26 | sithfm | it's gotten 'better', but, I much prefer gnome |
| 03:57.46 | tmallen | dvs: http://www.bpaste.net/show/oVbRz0izJRf42txKXRts/ |
| 03:57.50 | reisio | hanasaki: yeah |
| 03:57.52 | tmallen | dvs: oh, sorry |
| 03:57.59 | Lady_Aleena | Oh GUH! I picked KDE. *blink blink blink* |
| 03:58.05 | reisio | Lady_Aleena: hrmm? |
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| 03:58.38 | Lady_Aleena | Supposedly KDE has a lot of neat things I need/want. |
| 03:58.42 | tmallen | dvs: here's my sources.list https://dpaste.de/A6X6 |
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| 03:58.51 | tmallen | dvs: the other pastebin thought it was spam :O |
| 03:59.20 | reisio | Lady_Aleena: why else would you have chosen it |
| 03:59.22 | hanasaki | reisio: which? |
| 03:59.26 | tmallen | i get that when i do # apt-get install nginx |
| 03:59.32 | sithfm | gnome is cleaner and more modern in my opinion |
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| 03:59.49 | sithfm | although the very latest kde looks promising |
| 03:59.51 | reisio | hanasaki: probably almost any tablet you can install it on at all |
| 03:59.58 | reisio | hanasaki: most tablets have secure boot nonsense |
| 03:59.59 | dvs | tmallen: That looks OK. What's the error message? |
| 04:00.04 | reisio | hanasaki: you could put it on a surface pro easily |
| 04:00.06 | tmallen | dvs: it's in the first link i sent you |
| 04:00.11 | reisio | hanasaki: or an ideapad yoga (convertible) |
| 04:00.13 | tmallen | dvs: i get 404 on the ftp urls |
| 04:00.30 | hanasaki | reisio: with touch screen support? |
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| 04:00.36 | tmallen | i shows ipv6 urls, dunno if that's normal |
| 04:00.59 | reisio | hanasaki: touchscreens are just another mouse as far as X is concerned |
| 04:01.07 | reisio | hanasaki: has worked for ages |
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| 04:01.17 | hanasaki | nice |
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| 04:01.38 | hanasaki | reisio: does it do the 'pinch" stuff? |
| 04:01.45 | reisio | most touchscreen devices use one of a handful of the most popular implementations, too, it's kind of a small hardware world |
| 04:01.55 | reisio | hanasaki: it can, yeah |
| 04:02.06 | reisio | you can have kwin or mutter or compiz utilize a pench gesture |
| 04:02.10 | reisio | pinch* |
| 04:02.21 | dvs | tmallen: I'd use "http.debian.net" instead of "ftp.us.debian.org" |
| 04:03.07 | tmallen | dvs: i'm a n00b |
| 04:03.11 | tmallen | dvs: do yo uknow what i did |
| 04:03.12 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 04:03.18 | tmallen | dvs: i was using cdist |
| 04:03.24 | dvs | tmallen: Probably a bad mirror |
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| 04:03.43 | tmallen | dvs: but i didn't realize you need to use require='__apt_update_index' __package_apt nginx |
| 04:03.53 | tmallen | dvs: so i was running apt-get installs basically before doing an update |
| 04:04.02 | tmallen | dvs: probably trying to get versions of the software that don't exist now |
| 04:04.09 | tmallen | dvs: :p |
| 04:04.36 | dvs | tmallen: You definitely need to do an update before an install. |
| 04:04.37 | tmallen | dvs: also cdist is pretty neat :) CM with shell scripts in a nice way |
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| 04:04.51 | tmallen | dvs: if you need that sort of thing for simple personal stuff in particular |
| 04:05.50 | tmallen | dvs: thanks for the help! |
| 04:05.57 | Lady_Aleena | I wish someone had nabbed me back before I became a Windows junkie. |
| 04:06.03 | dvs | no prib |
| 04:06.12 | dvs | prob too |
| 04:06.16 | tmallen | heh |
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| 04:08.35 | Lady_Aleena | Believe it or not, my first experience with the internet was on Telnet on a Linux machine (where I worked). It wasn't until I got a computer at home that I got Windows. I went backwards. |
| 04:09.32 | reisio | like a rower! |
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| 04:12.43 | Lady_Aleena | My first time programming anything was in BASIC (in middle school). |
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| 04:14.12 | reisio | middle school, pshaw |
| 04:14.24 | reisio | how'd you find a middle school that taught something useful (or would be useful if it hadn't been basic) |
| 04:14.30 | reisio | was that when you were out of the country? |
| 04:14.57 | Lady_Aleena | No, in a tiny classroom in the then boonies of Maryland. |
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| 04:15.45 | Lady_Aleena | I've been in Maryland since I was 9. |
| 04:16.09 | reisio | weird |
| 04:16.13 | Lady_Aleena | Dad got posted to a lot of places in 9 short years. |
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| 04:16.59 | k-man | i always get confused with running debian as a guest in vmware, with respect to vmware tools. am i right in thinking there are debian packages you can install instead of vmware tools? |
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| 04:18.11 | reisio | k-man: there's an open source alternative, yeah |
| 04:18.24 | reisio | open-vm-tools, something |
| 04:19.28 | Lady_Aleena | reisio, I take it you really don't care about my geographical chronology, right? |
| 04:20.15 | reisio | Lady_Aleena: I sawd it on your website |
| 04:21.34 | Lady_Aleena | reisio, I didn't put length of stay in each place. |
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| 04:22.19 | reisio | I'm just always jealous when people say they learned something in school |
| 04:23.18 | Lady_Aleena | Learning is one thing, retaining is another. |
| 04:24.06 | Lady_Aleena | I wish I had taken more math in high school. I nearly failed Algebra 2/Trigonometry, and never got into Calculus. |
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| 04:25.18 | reisio | I wish I had joined the circus |
| 04:26.15 | Lady_Aleena | My lack of skill with math means I hadn't learned the logic needed for computer programming. |
| 04:26.48 | phenom | Does 7.2 run vmware 10 OK? |
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| 04:26.58 | reisio | phenom: hard to imagine otherwise |
| 04:27.13 | phenom | I seem to remember having issues installing it with the kernel. |
| 04:27.26 | reisio | well, it _is_ proprietary nonsense |
| 04:27.30 | reisio | try virtualbox or kvm |
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| 04:27.44 | phenom | reisio: I know heh |
| 04:28.02 | phenom | I bought in to their cyber monday discount. |
| 04:28.14 | reisio | heh |
| 04:28.15 | phenom | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.20 | reisio | rolls eyes |
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| 04:33.32 | k-man | is it just me or is apt-cacher-ng very buggy? |
| 04:33.35 | k-man | and causes constant problems |
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| 04:42.23 | ec|ipse | where do typical GNU programs get installed? I downloaded GTK+ and I don't know where to look |
| 04:43.40 | reisio | ec|ipse: GTK+ isn't really a program |
| 04:43.46 | reisio | but things get installed all over |
| 04:43.50 | reisio | dpkg -L packageName |
| 04:43.50 | dpkg | ii packageName 1.1-5.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 04:43.59 | reisio | dpkg: wow, dumb |
| 04:43.59 | dpkg | is dumb |
| 04:44.00 | rryoumaa | ec|ipse: if you are looking for a program, don't most get installed in /usr/bin? |
| 04:44.02 | reisio | dpkg: yup |
| 04:44.02 | dpkg | reisio: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 04:44.07 | reisio | dpkg: not lately |
| 04:44.07 | dpkg | reisio: are you using Windows? |
| 04:44.10 | reisio | dpkg: nope |
| 04:44.10 | dpkg | yes |
| 04:44.13 | reisio | agreed |
| 04:45.00 | reisio | GTK+ also, not really GNU's :) |
| 04:45.30 | ec|ipse | reisio: thanks! |
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| 04:46.03 | reisio | ec|ipse: more than you want to know: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/ |
| 04:46.54 | ec|ipse | reisio: not more! I plan to be familiar with all that too |
| 04:47.10 | rryoumaa | dunno, i'd like to know a little more than that document specifies :) |
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| 04:47.41 | reisio | rryoumaa: twss |
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| 05:07.10 | nonconvergent | Yallo. |
| 05:08.07 | reisio | yeller |
| 05:08.47 | ec|ipse | what topic do I need to look up if I want to understand what linking, building, static linking vs dynamic linking, modules, etc ? |
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| 05:08.52 | k-man | when i try and start squid-deb-proxy, i get the following errors: http://paste.debian.net/69022/ |
| 05:09.08 | reisio | ec|ipse: just look up static libs |
| 05:09.20 | reisio | since that's the exception, it'll have all the info |
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| 05:23.07 | jordanm | ec|ipse: C programming |
| 05:23.36 | jordanm | ec|ipse: perhaps C build system documentation such as GNU autotools and cmake |
| 05:24.39 | rryoumaa | ec|ipse: in general or debian's stuff? |
| 05:24.51 | ec|ipse | jordanm: thanks |
| 05:24.53 | rryoumaa | but yeah c |
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| 05:25.22 | rryoumaa | heheh or assembler |
| 05:25.27 | ec|ipse | rryoumaa: I'm on debian, I suppose my question is more of a C thing / linux thing as you guys are saying |
| 05:25.48 | JordanJ2 | how do I jail a user in a ssh session? |
| 05:26.01 | reisio | JordanJ2: what for |
| 05:26.10 | ec|ipse | but just in instaling packages and programs I see a lot of these things and I dont understand them all. I've read the C book (white bible) maybe I missed a chapter or something but I thought I read it all. |
| 05:26.27 | reisio | predates Debian |
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| 05:26.44 | JordanJ2 | reisio, So they cannot leave there home directory |
| 05:26.57 | reisio | JordanJ2: might look into rssh |
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| 05:29.05 | VlperX | any good debian GPS tracking software? |
| 05:29.13 | JordanJ2 | Will do |
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| 05:29.53 | reisio | VlperX: apt-cache search gps |
| 05:29.57 | reisio | VlperX: apt-cache search track |
| 05:30.31 | VlperX | When I say 'good' I mean I'm asking for opinions and experience |
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| 06:34.46 | lionrouge | hi |
| 06:34.59 | lionrouge | tell me please how to change default xsession in Debian 7? |
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| 06:37.20 | wols | how do you start X? |
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| 06:40.48 | phy1729 | startx |
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| 06:41.18 | wols | the change x-window-manager alternative. man update-alternatives |
| 06:41.25 | wols | s/the/then |
| 06:41.50 | wols | or if you want it only for your uesr, create a ~/.xinitrc |
| 06:41.55 | phy1729 | did not reas that right; you were asking lionrouge |
| 06:42.20 | lionrouge | x is started automatically |
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| 06:42.32 | lionrouge | it's almost stock debian 7 |
| 06:42.40 | wols | lionrouge: please answer the question |
| 06:42.56 | lionrouge | i tried xinitrc and it doesn't work |
| 06:43.19 | lionrouge | and i don't have awesome in alternatives list |
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| 06:44.45 | lionrouge | installed awesome with synaptics |
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| 06:48.08 | lionrouge | wols: i think editing /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager is not a good idea? |
| 06:48.37 | wols | no it's a very bad idea. I told you to read the manpage of update-alternatives |
| 06:48.53 | wols | how do you start your X? |
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| 06:54.31 | pendos | Hello everyone! |
| 06:55.24 | reisio | 'lo |
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| 07:00.52 | reisio | pretty alright |
| 07:00.54 | reisio | and you? |
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| 07:04.13 | pendos | I'm okay! I recently installed Debian on my laptop to finally get rid of awful Ubuntu. |
| 07:04.20 | pendos | I went with the xfce version! |
| 07:05.01 | pendos | The only problem is that I cannot seem to get the window snapping to work to save my life =/ |
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| 07:05.25 | lionrouge | wols: how can i find it out? (how i start X) |
| 07:05.39 | lionrouge | it's started automatically @ boot |
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| 07:06.59 | reisio | pendos: to be enabled, or to "work"? |
| 07:07.22 | pendos | reisio: to work :( |
| 07:07.34 | reisio | define 'work' |
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| 07:08.06 | pendos | reisio: I enable the window snapping, slowly drag the window to the edges of the screen, and the window won't snap :( |
| 07:08.10 | pendos | It just does nothing |
| 07:08.29 | reisio | sorry I can't read msgs with little girl frownies in them, I would /join #daycare if I wanted that |
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| 07:08.50 | pendos | Well goodnight, then |
| 07:08.54 | pendos | I'll find help somewhere else |
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| 07:09.09 | reisio | or you could just act like an adult |
| 07:09.12 | reisio | just sayin' |
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| 07:09.28 | pendos | just sayin' I'm gone. byebye \o |
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| 07:25.34 | Nexutix | how much cpu should Pulseaudio normally use when nothing is playing? |
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| 07:26.39 | reisio | :p |
| 07:28.07 | wols | Nexutix: zero? |
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| 07:34.55 | lionrouge | why the hell they need this complicated update-alternatives stuff? |
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| 07:36.28 | blackjack | so that its |
| 07:36.50 | blackjack | always complete and updated in alternative stuffs too |
| 07:37.09 | lionrouge | i installed a DE with synaptics and it's not there |
| 07:37.37 | lionrouge | either you make proper packages or make it simple to handle it |
| 07:37.43 | lionrouge | i think so |
| 07:37.52 | lionrouge | .xinitrc doesn't work |
| 07:37.55 | well_laid_lawn | what makes you think is is not there ? |
| 07:37.58 | lionrouge | why not to delete it at all? |
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| 07:38.20 | Agd_Scorp | Hi, I am using wget and I use this command to download all files from a website with this command: "wget rkpNUL5" - however, wget doesn't get files from longer directories, like it'll get files from kaka.com/xaka/xaka, but it won't get files from kaka.com/xaka/xaka/xaka, how can I make wget download everything? |
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| 07:41.12 | lionrouge | well_laid_lawn: because when i type "update-alternatives --list x-session-manager" it's not there, that's why |
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| 07:42.19 | well_laid_lawn | what does apt-cache search whatverDEitis return ? |
| 07:43.16 | wols | well_laid_lawn: that doesn't show what is installed. dpkg -l does |
| 07:43.30 | wsky | Agd_Scorp: |
| 07:43.31 | well_laid_lawn | there you go then |
| 07:43.39 | wsky | Agd_Scorp: |
| 07:43.42 | Agd_Scorp | yes. |
| 07:43.46 | Agd_Scorp | ? |
| 07:43.47 | wsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.50 | wols | lionrouge: create a ~/.xinitrc for your WM |
| 07:43.56 | wols | or use a DM |
| 07:44.04 | wsky | adam8157: use this option to set the recursivity lefel |
| 07:44.06 | Agd_Scorp | wget -rkpNUl5 --level=9 site.com |
| 07:44.06 | lionrouge | .xinitrc is just ignored |
| 07:44.08 | Agd_Scorp | like this? |
| 07:44.19 | wols | lionrouge: how do you start your X? |
| 07:44.20 | wsky | Agd_Scorp: ^, sry tabfailing, i just got up |
| 07:44.34 | wsky | Agd_Scorp: yes, like that |
| 07:44.50 | wsky | Agd_Scorp: logic says to me 0 would set it to no limit |
| 07:44.51 | lionrouge | wols: i don't start it manually |
| 07:45.12 | wols | please tell me how then |
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| 07:45.15 | Agd_Scorp | default is 5. |
| 07:45.22 | wsky | Agd_Scorp: it's all in manual pages |
| 07:45.24 | Agd_Scorp | I will try this out, wsky. thanks alot! |
| 07:45.27 | wsky | np |
| 07:45.30 | Agd_Scorp | :) |
| 07:45.36 | Agd_Scorp | I will try doing it as 0 |
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| 07:47.27 | lionrouge | wols: i don't understand what you want |
| 07:47.52 | lionrouge | it's debian7, installed as it's provided from the official site and it starts X automatically at boot |
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| 07:47.59 | lionrouge | i haven't changed it |
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| 07:48.12 | blackjack | guys had anyone tried connecting to irc with socks4/5 proxy in irssi? is that possible? |
| 07:48.28 | JyZyXEL | how do you select which dhcp client is used for /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 07:49.23 | wols | lionrouge: you have a displaymanager. dpkg -l |grep gdm |grep ^ii |
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| 07:50.19 | reisio | dpkg --get-selections has much better output |
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| 07:50.28 | lionrouge | wols: it's lightdm |
| 07:50.38 | reisio | although it's still not clean enough to not have to parse further |
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| 07:57.46 | lionrouge_ | tried to do dpkg-reconfigure lightdm but it didn't offer any options |
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| 08:00.56 | wols | lionrouge_: google "lightdm change window manager" and you find things like http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/lightdm-cannot-figure-out-how-to-change-default-xsession-debian-wheezy-943468/ |
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| 08:02.55 | leahcim | Which DE were you trying to add? |
| 08:03.56 | lionrouge_ | leahcim: awesome |
| 08:04.00 | lionrouge_ | wols: thanks a lot |
| 08:04.14 | leahcim | Ahh. Hmm. |
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| 08:07.18 | lionrouge | made it |
| 08:07.27 | lionrouge | update-alternatives doesn't work |
| 08:07.43 | lionrouge | lightdm-set-defaults doesn't work |
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| 08:07.58 | lionrouge | what worked is adding "exec awesome" in ~/.xsession |
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| 08:08.15 | lionrouge | wols: thanks again |
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| 08:14.47 | MouseTheLuckyDog | How can you find which source library contains a certain file? |
| 08:15.04 | MouseTheLuckyDog | s/library/package/. |
| 08:15.04 | reisio | apt-file |
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| 08:15.52 | MouseTheLuckyDog | reisio, even if it is not in any of the binary packages? Only source? |
| 08:16.11 | reisio | MouseTheLuckyDog: easily tested |
| 08:16.11 | wols | what are you looking for? |
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| 08:16.25 | boudiccas | i have two folder containing similar files, how can i parse through them, removing duplicates from one folder please? |
| 08:16.59 | wols | boudiccas: midnight commander? |
| 08:17.03 | reisio | boudiccas: fdupes |
| 08:17.17 | MouseTheLuckyDog | reisio: Looks like it fails. |
| 08:17.18 | boudiccas | cheers folks |
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| 08:17.22 | reisio | MouseTheLuckyDog: downer |
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| 08:51.53 | ledestin | how come ruby wasn't updated because of latest vulnerability? |
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| 08:55.18 | pagios | hello all is there any opensource linux activie-active clustering solution available? |
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| 08:56.11 | joltcan | pagios: there a bunch of frameworks, such as heartbeat and koi, and they control services such as which system should be active etc |
| 08:56.29 | pagios | oh yea i used heartbeat like 5 years ago |
| 08:56.29 | joltcan | pagios: what is the use-case and what kind of clustering do you want to do? |
| 08:56.39 | pagios | The idea is to have distributed computing for our rendering and simulation . |
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| 08:57.47 | joltcan | pagios: So koi assiging a virtual IP between some hosts? |
| 08:58.07 | joltcan | https://github.com/krig/koi |
| 08:58.08 | pagios | never tried koi |
| 08:58.17 | pagios | better than heartbeat? |
| 08:58.51 | joltcan | Yeah, a collegue rewrote it since heartbeat had a bunch of issues. Not sure if it fits your scale though, but it is easy enough to setup to warrant a try |
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| 08:59.11 | pagios | joltcan: and it works in active active mode? |
| 08:59.15 | joltcan | it also does elections if there are more than two machines so you dont have split networks etc |
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| 08:59.47 | joltcan | pagios: so maybe you really want some load-balancing instead? |
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| 09:00.23 | pagios | yea i need to send 1 file to be rendered acroos different machines |
| 09:00.30 | pagios | and then get the output back into my machine |
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| 09:03.08 | pagios | joltcan: ao need active/active mode mainly |
| 09:03.31 | phatypus | pagios have you looked at pacemaker? |
| 09:03.39 | pagios | not really |
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| 09:06.49 | eblip | does anyone know how long a ban lasts for in irc |
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| 09:07.39 | wols | there is no fixed time. it lasts until the op unbans you |
| 09:07.52 | jelly | eblip: the length can be set arbitrarily. Ask the ops of the relevant channel |
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| 09:12.34 | reisio | where's the first run crap that spits out in a console? |
| 09:12.40 | reisio | stupid black magick |
| 09:13.02 | reisio | oh it's after login, nevermindses |
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| 09:20.00 | crane | hi, can someone explain me why my gpg key wants still support sha1 even if i tell him to not support it? http://pastebin.com/1bt1zrYp |
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| 09:28.48 | crane | and sometimes... manpages should be the first place where i look... forgett what i asked ;) |
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| 09:30.02 | bezaban | crane: what was the answer? :o |
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| 09:30.39 | crane | bezaban, i thought he would disallow the using of sha1 if i don't add it. but if you don't add it it will only be placed at the end |
| 09:30.45 | crane | to it is just a prefered order |
| 09:31.02 | bezaban | ah, right. Thanks |
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| 09:41.25 | Waqstar | whois |
| 09:41.39 | Waqstar | *sorry* |
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| 09:47.52 | Nexutix | Well, is there a way i can open "chromium <url>" in same tab instead of new one via shell? |
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| 09:49.55 | reisio | Nexutix: I'd ask #chromium about that |
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| 09:50.11 | reisio | wouldn't be surprised if the answer is, feasibly, 'no' |
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| 09:50.21 | Nexutix | hmm |
| 09:50.31 | Nexutix | i already asked, everyone is asleep i guess |
| 09:50.35 | reisio | yeah it's late |
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| 09:50.44 | reisio | you could killall chromium && chromium foo |
| 09:50.44 | skraito | http://0x71.org/2013/12/03/0x71-xc-our-and-united-nations-which-is-httpun-org-open-application-for-their-candidate-for-0x71-and-united-nations-only-the-bless-one-of-the-lord-jesus-christ-will-be-everyone-is-in/ |
| 09:50.44 | reisio | for sure |
| 09:50.55 | skraito | candidate for United Nations is open |
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| 09:51.01 | reisio | neat URI :p |
| 09:52.00 | Nexutix | reisio: that would grind the hard drive |
| 09:52.02 | Nexutix | lol |
| 09:52.31 | reisio | you could script it with something like xdotool |
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| 09:52.50 | reisio | or with JS in the webpage |
| 09:52.53 | Nexutix | aha yea, good idea |
| 09:53.03 | Nexutix | i'll try that |
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| 10:07.33 | mz` | hello |
| 10:07.40 | reisio | heya mz |
| 10:08.06 | reisio | is it just me or is this statement about tasksel not necessarily correct?: https://wiki.debian.org/KDE#line-57 |
| 10:08.23 | mz` | where may i find some information about apt-get and package{a} package{u} (letter between brackets) ? |
| 10:09.07 | reisio | mz`: pardon? |
| 10:09.38 | RichiH | did git.debian.org change its ssh key? |
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| 10:10.21 | babilen | RichiH: It did - There was a mail on infrastructure-announce or devel-announce ... one second |
| 10:10.37 | babilen | RichiH: (due to the alioth b0rkage) |
| 10:10.49 | mz` | reisio: what does the letter between brackets mean ? |
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| 10:11.04 | babilen | RichiH: <201311221656.04382.holger@layer-acht.org> |
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| 10:12.04 | reisio | mz`: you read this on some website? |
| 10:12.20 | mz` | no on packages install |
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| 10:12.48 | RichiH | babilen: thanks |
| 10:12.52 | mz` | NEW install cpp4.6{a} while remove thing{u} |
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| 10:13.00 | mz` | kind of |
| 10:13.05 | RichiH | babilen: i am horribly, horribly behind with email, but i figured this channel would know :) |
| 10:13.23 | reisio | mz`: mmm, be easier to say with context |
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| 10:15.01 | babilen | RichiH: No problem, have fun! :) |
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| 10:18.06 | mz` | reisio: related to aptitude, found it |
| 10:18.11 | mz` | thnks anyway ;) |
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| 10:19.40 | reisio | mz`: gj |
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| 10:26.37 | Gargantua | Hey, quick question, why isn't truecrypt avalible in the repos? |
| 10:26.46 | Gargantua | And is there an alternative? |
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| 10:28.33 | babilen | apt: tell Gargantua about truecrypt |
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| 10:28.45 | babilen | Gargantua: No, disregard that. |
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| 10:29.13 | reisio | Gargantua: it's proprietary mystery meat |
| 10:29.25 | reisio | Gargantua: there are many alternatives, what's your use case |
| 10:29.26 | babilen | Gargantua: AFAICT it is non-free (per DFSG) and there are alternatives such as encfs and luks |
| 10:29.31 | Gargantua | I don't want it then, reisio |
| 10:29.35 | Gargantua | I figured it was something like that. |
| 10:29.52 | reisio | :) |
| 10:29.56 | reisio | you and I shall get along just fine :p |
| 10:30.19 | Gargantua | reisio: I wanna use it to encrypt my, um, diary |
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| 10:30.33 | reisio | Gargantua: encfs |
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| 10:30.57 | Gargantua | FUSE based, awesome. |
| 10:31.01 | reisio | YES! |
| 10:31.18 | reisio | Fscking Ultimate Super awEsomeness |
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| 10:31.47 | honesty | Hi Guys a question; i have a bunch of servers i would like to use for free 'charity' hosting, does someone know nice charity projects which need hosting? |
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| 10:32.13 | Gargantua | I think I wrote a fuse based FTP client that was like 20 lines of code once. |
| 10:32.21 | reisio | :p |
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| 10:33.30 | babilen | honesty: You could host a mirror if your infrastructure is up to it. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror for details |
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| 10:37.52 | honesty | thnx i'll have a look |
| 10:39.00 | babilen | honesty: Please be aware that it is a fairly serious commitment (bandwidth, reliability, ...) |
| 10:40.08 | honesty | well i can enable (bandwidth) limits |
| 10:40.37 | babilen | honesty: That's not what I meant, I meant: Don't attempt it if you don't have the bandwidth to spare. |
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| 10:40.55 | babilen | honesty: Users wouldn't be well served by a sub-par and slow mirror |
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| 10:41.22 | honesty | babilen: Ok i guess this is mentioned in the url you provided? |
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| 10:41.42 | honesty | then i can check if my resources are sufficient |
| 10:41.53 | babilen | honesty: I haven't read it in toto, but it should. If not than you will be made aware of it pretty soon. ;) |
| 10:42.03 | honesty | haha ok, thanks |
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| 10:42.47 | babilen | honesty: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ is probably a better landing page |
| 10:43.08 | babilen | honesty: There is also #debian-mirror on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 10:43.33 | babilen | s/#debian-mirror/#debian-mirrors/ |
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| 10:52.48 | Nexutix | a simple question: i have two urxvt windows. now i want to direct stdout of script running in 1st to be visible on second. is there a way to do this? |
| 10:53.39 | reisio | Nexutix: before or after the fact? |
| 10:53.48 | vlt | Nexutix: nc, pipes, ... |
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| 10:54.19 | Gargantua | hm, encfs is complaining about the fuse kernel module not being present, any idea what that's about? |
| 10:54.31 | Gargantua | modprobe confirms that its not there |
| 10:54.33 | reisio | Gargantua: modprobe fuse |
| 10:55.05 | wols | Gargantua: and maybe put it into /etc/modules for the future |
| 10:55.07 | Nexutix | reisio: found this http://mywiki.wooledge.org/NamedPipes |
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| 10:56.01 | reisio | Nexutix: the simple way is to | tee file, and then tail -f file in the other window |
| 10:56.33 | reisio | but why can't you just watch the output in the original window? |
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| 10:57.58 | Gargantua | still getting failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 10:58.19 | Nexutix | reisio: script in first is formatting output a different way when executing commands with echo (more readable), I want to see std-garbage in another script. just toying around. |
| 10:58.30 | vlt | Gargantua: Permissions? |
| 10:58.44 | jelly | Gargantua: is that user member of group fuse, and is /dev/fuse rw for group fuse? |
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| 11:00.15 | reisio | Nexutix: righto |
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| 11:00.41 | Suhosin | wheezy -> jessie is the messiest dist-upgrade I've done so far |
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| 11:01.07 | reisio | :) |
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| 11:01.30 | Gargantua | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.33 | Suhosin | It wants to remove 60 packages just to resolve an upgrade :/ |
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| 11:02.17 | reisio | which 60 packages? |
| 11:02.21 | reisio | some packages are tiny an meaningless |
| 11:02.28 | Suhosin | Mostly xorg & related |
| 11:02.34 | Suhosin | gnome |
| 11:02.36 | Suhosin | Not meaningless ones |
| 11:02.36 | reisio | xorg packages are tiny and meaningless |
| 11:02.38 | Suhosin | fglrx driver |
| 11:03.17 | reisio | dunno how much sense you can expect from gnome anymore |
| 11:03.22 | wols | Suhosin: then you probably have nonstandard stuff in there somewhere which causes this. maybe only backports |
| 11:04.02 | jelly | Suhosin: how many of those release upgrades involved testing |
| 11:04.11 | Suhosin | jelly: All |
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| 11:04.31 | Suhosin | I haven't upgraded to stable since lenny |
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| 11:04.58 | Suhosin | wols: Could be it, I have some nonstandard multimedia repos |
| 11:05.01 | jelly | Suhosin: ah. You're very lucky. |
| 11:05.12 | Suhosin | jelly: I run sid on my laptop |
| 11:05.22 | Suhosin | I know what I'm dealing with, I'm just complaining about it. :D |
| 11:05.43 | jelly | Suhosin: complaints are taken in #debian-offtopic, not here |
| 11:05.54 | reisio | :D |
| 11:06.19 | Suhosin | jelly: Take the complaints as an offhanded "Is there a way to do this without completely reinstalling my xorg stack?" question to which I already know the answer is no. |
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| 11:06.39 | jelly | Suhosin: oh. In that case, #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:07.11 | Suhosin | is that for discussion of testing? |
| 11:07.28 | jelly | indeed, it is! |
| 11:07.31 | reisio | nicholas cage film |
| 11:07.32 | jelly | (sid, too) |
| 11:08.43 | jelly | apt: test |
| 11:08.43 | apt | test is, like, not funny |
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| 11:12.01 | Suhosin | Let's play... sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 11:12.40 | Suhosin | Whichever mirror this is, I want it again., 9,600kK/sec |
| 11:12.49 | Suhosin | s/kK/kB |
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| 11:15.38 | reisio | heh |
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| 11:15.46 | reisio | I miss my few-blocks-downtown mirror |
| 11:16.03 | Suhosin | Aww down to normal 300kB/sec |
| 11:16.24 | Suhosin | I should convince work to set up a mirror, then I can pull from local network |
| 11:16.34 | Suhosin | We have about 75Gbit of upload :P |
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| 11:17.49 | jelly | takes about 800GB with all the arch'es |
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| 11:19.08 | Suhosin | Space not an issue, I work at a datacenter |
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| 11:21.33 | pengunix | What can be the reason when openpty fails? devpts is mounted: /dev/pts and it contains ptmx file. |
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| 11:24.09 | pengunix | Slowly I begin to hate lxc... really. |
| 11:24.10 | bchamberlain | Hi All - is it possible to set a flag on a script or executable that means it would be executed by a standard user but with root permissions? |
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| 11:25.32 | babilen | bchamberlain: Look into setuid with root as owner |
| 11:25.54 | babilen | bchamberlain: I take it that you are aware of the security implications. |
| 11:26.39 | obesd | undesired privilege escalation |
| 11:27.00 | reisio | pengunix: :) |
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| 11:27.13 | pengunix | reisio: Is there a sudo related channel? |
| 11:27.22 | pengunix | reisio: I am depressed now |
| 11:27.28 | bchamberlain | babilen obesd - course one example would be ngrep - I want to allow certain people to run ngrep on a server for diagnostic purposes but don't want to give them sudo or root access |
| 11:27.41 | reisio | pengunix: kinda, but not really |
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| 11:27.46 | reisio | sudo is pretty straightforward, though |
| 11:27.52 | reisio | so you don't really need a whole channel for it |
| 11:28.19 | bchamberlain | babilen ngrep can run but you will always get no suitable device found when not running via sudo or root |
| 11:28.21 | ryao | I customized my sudo to require the root password. |
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| 11:28.55 | pengunix | reisio: ok, so the problem is that when I execute sudo (with some command, let it be apt-get update) on an user belonging to group sudo (default sudo settings), I get no login prompt but instead three times 'Sorry, try again.' |
| 11:29.13 | pengunix | reisio: So how can I diagnose the error? What does sudo try? |
| 11:29.17 | Shadur | ryao: ... Why would you do that? |
| 11:29.25 | pengunix | reisio: there is no /var/log/sudo* and no /var/log/auth.log |
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| 11:30.17 | babilen | bchamberlain: What's wrong with sudo access? |
| 11:30.36 | Shadur | pengunix: If there isn't at least a /var/log/auth.log then you've reconfigured your syslog daemon to log auth messages somewhere other than where debian sends them by default. Check what syslog software you have installed and examine its config file to see where auth messages are sent. |
| 11:30.45 | bchamberlain | babilen If I give sudo access to a user they can do other things I don't want them to do right? |
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| 11:31.00 | Shadur | bchamberlain: That depends on how you configure sudo. |
| 11:31.17 | obesd | become sudo export |
| 11:31.18 | obesd | expert |
| 11:31.21 | obesd | then you'll know |
| 11:31.36 | Shadur | If you just give them blanket sudo access, then yes. But the whole point of sudo is to allow you to explicitly restrict users and/or groups of users to specific commands. |
| 11:31.37 | reisio | pengunix: does 'groups' say you're in the group? |
| 11:31.39 | babilen | bchamberlain: That depends on how you condfigure it for them. It is possible to come up with a fairly fine-grained configuration |
| 11:31.39 | bchamberlain | I still can't get it to make me a sandwich - what am I doing wrong? |
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| 11:32.08 | reisio | I think Debian has alas adopted Ubuntu et al.'s approach of blanked sudo access, though |
| 11:32.17 | babilen | bchamberlain: Please read "man 5 sudoers" and the examples in the file you edit with "visudo" |
| 11:32.21 | Shadur | reisio: Yes and no. |
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| 11:32.30 | bchamberlain | Shadur babilen I will do just that |
| 11:32.33 | reisio | Shadur: you'd make a great programmer :p |
| 11:32.41 | bchamberlain | babilen Shadur thanks for input |
| 11:32.46 | Shadur | reisio: You can add users to a 'sudo' group and they'll get full access to sudo anything. |
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| 11:33.32 | babilen | bchamberlain: You really don't have to grant ALL to your users. You can define commands or set of commands that can be run by users or groups of users. Knock yourself out, but I would *strongly* prefer this setup to setuid |
| 11:33.33 | Shadur | But you need to do that manually, and it's pretty explicitly meant to add sysadmin privileges to an account -- IE, someone who /should/ have full sudo access. |
| 11:34.09 | bchamberlain | babilen Agreed - thanks again... |
| 11:34.24 | babilen | bchamberlain: Knock yourself out ;) |
| 11:34.32 | wols | reisio: for the one set up at install it is ok tho. it's a root replacement and for this you need it like it is |
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| 11:34.43 | multi_io | shouldn't /etc/network/if-up.d/* be run for hotplugged network interfaces too? |
| 11:34.46 | multi_io | or is it? |
| 11:35.20 | Shadur | For instance, on the webhosting server I have a WEBADMINS set of sudo commands that allow people that I've added that command group to to restart the webserver or to run a custom script that handles all the nitty-gritty of creating a new webhosting account and /nothing else/. |
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| 11:36.20 | Shadur | I used to have something similar for the nameservers until a bunch of years ago when I figured out how to set up access for them via rndc instead and taught them how. |
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| 11:52.55 | pengunix | reisio: groups debian debian : debian sudo |
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| 11:53.07 | pengunix | Shadur: default debian base system + sudo |
| 11:53.28 | pengunix | Shadur: so sudo uses syslog for all logging by default |
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| 11:55.03 | Shadur | pengunix: In which case there should be /var/log/auth.log unless you reconfigured the default syslog daemon -- I think it's rsyslogd nowadays? |
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| 11:55.20 | pengunix | Shadur: is rsyslogd installed on Debian Wheezy by default? |
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| 11:56.10 | Shadur | pengunix: I think so. syslog-ng is one of the first things I install when setting up a new system because that's the one I'm used to. |
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| 11:57.49 | pengunix | Shadur: Note, selecting 'busybox-syslogd' instead of 'syslogd' |
| 11:57.55 | pengunix | Shadur: or was it rsyslog? |
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| 11:59.38 | Shadur | pengunix: syslogd's a virtual package nowadays. |
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| 12:00.32 | pengunix | Shadur: alright, /var/log/auth.log is there now. |
| 12:00.39 | Shadur | If you've got busybox-syslogd (and if you do and aren't on an embedded system, WHY?) you apparently need to use logread to find out what happened. Aha. |
| 12:00.44 | pengunix | Shadur: But why wasn't rsyslog installed? Isn't it a default? |
| 12:01.07 | Shadur | pengunix: I have no idea what you did or did not install. |
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| 12:01.28 | pengunix | Shadur: Was rsyslog installed on your system? Was it a base system? Minimal system? Standard system? |
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| 12:02.16 | pengunix | Shadur: I just saw that it is not tagged as important nor required package... |
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| 12:02.24 | pengunix | Shadur: so something optional (what it is, indeed). |
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| 12:03.49 | pengunix | Shadur: I found out the error in auth.log: pam_env(login:session): Unable to open env file: /etc/default/locale: No such file or directory. |
| 12:04.44 | pengunix | Shadur: ahh, the debian locales, again... |
| 12:04.47 | pengunix | somehow hacky to me |
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| 12:07.10 | pengunix | So what I don't understand is why sudo got a problem with default POSIX locale. Why does package locales have to be installed? |
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| 12:10.22 | themill | pengunix: it doesn't |
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| 12:10.56 | Suhosin | This totally isn't a 586 Pentium but the math makes me think otherwise |
| 12:11.01 | Suhosin | /dev/mapper/starsong-root 9.2G 8.4G 0 100% / |
| 12:11.09 | Suhosin | 9-2 - 8.4 = ... 0 |
| 12:11.32 | pengunix | themill: what kind of package is it? important or required? |
| 12:11.36 | pengunix | themill: I am confused now. |
| 12:11.44 | themill | pengunix: "it" being what? |
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| 12:12.16 | pengunix | themill: rsyslog and why it wasn't installed on my system (yet). |
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| 12:13.47 | babilen | pengunix: It is important |
| 12:14.04 | themill | pengunix: rsyslog would normally be installed by d-i |
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| 12:15.08 | pengunix | themill: so it is an important package then, alright |
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| 12:31.55 | mar77i | but I'd like to deploy this debian install as a virtual machine... for use with vmware/bridged mode. |
| 12:32.40 | cusco | hi |
| 12:32.59 | mar77i | now, some of my other clients show up with their hostnames listed on the network, and I thought, hey, this could be set up on that box too, right? |
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| 12:59.14 | mar77i | hmm, I can see everything but new vm box... but it does see everything else. |
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| 13:04.48 | As001 | Hello, I have problems with grub boot loader after upgrading from squeeze to wheezy. upgrade-from-grub-legacy return error and I am afraid system won't boot after restart. Here are relevant informations: http://pastebin.ca/2491050 |
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| 13:05.39 | mar77i | As001: I guess you have to run grub-mkconfig and/or grub-install although I'm not shure which of these is already done by the package manager |
| 13:06.01 | As001 | ok I will try |
| 13:07.09 | As001 | first command founded kernels second grub-install returned segmentation fault. |
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| 13:08.34 | As001 | Trouble is that it won't install on /dev/md2 which is boot partition. |
| 13:09.03 | As001 | /dev/sda and dev/sdb goes fine but I doub't it will boot after restart. |
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| 13:11.29 | Suhosin | Rebooted, appears to be running fine with jessie & experimental fglrx-driver |
| 13:11.37 | Suhosin | <3 Debian |
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| 13:11.56 | Suhosin | All I had to do was `sudo aticonfig --initial` |
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| 13:16.19 | GuestO5531 | hello i want to create a live-build but when i run lb build i always get chroot: failed to run command `/usr/bin/env': No such file or directory can sb help me? |
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| 13:23.19 | tdn | I want to set up Trac on a Debian wheezy server. Do you recommend using Trac from the deb sources via apt, or to use the current one downloaded from Trac website? |
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| 13:25.05 | babilen | tdn: Naturally we recommend the one packaged by Debian. |
| 13:25.26 | babilen | judd: v trac |
| 13:25.27 | judd | Package: trac on i386 -- squeeze: 0.11.7-4; squeeze-backports: 0.12.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.12.5-3~deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.0.1-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.0.1-2; sid: 1.0.1-2 |
| 13:25.48 | babilen | tdn: Please note that you can install 1.0.1-2~bpo70+1 from backports if that is what you want. |
| 13:28.04 | r00t-err0r | i install libc from sid to wheezy cause i need for steam, now i have problem installing apps , how to fix it? |
| 13:28.06 | tdn | babilen, ok, I thought so. I'll just use the one from packages then. |
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| 13:28.26 | jelly | r00t-err0r: the simplest thing to do is reinstall |
| 13:28.45 | babilen | tdn: Do you want version 1.0.1? And if: Do you know how to install packages from wheezy-backports? |
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| 13:30.05 | Sevet | r00t-err0r: libc is a very critical library... very easy to screw up your system if you don't upgrade it correctly |
| 13:31.55 | Sevet | r00t-err0r: you'd be better off using testing (jessie) |
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| 13:34.21 | babilen | r00t-err0r: And you might not be aware that steam has been packaged for Debian already (with a libc6 dependency of libc6 (>= 2.12)) -- It does, however, sound as if you successfully b0rked your system now. Not sure if it works but you could attempt a libc6 downgrade by manually installing the wheezy version directly with dpkg, but you will probably have to reinstall the system. |
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| 13:35.01 | babilen | r00t-err0r: Please *never* mix wheezy with anything but backports and do not tinker with libc6. |
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| 13:38.42 | Suhosin | r00t-err0r: Upgrade to jessie |
| 13:38.53 | Suhosin | That's why I did it at home, steam works fine on jessie. |
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| 13:39.03 | Suhosin | Alternatively, install jessie in a chroot and install steam there |
| 13:39.20 | Suhosin | And put wheezy's libc6 back on wheezy |
| 13:39.23 | r00t-err0r | k, tnx ;) |
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| 13:39.31 | abrotman | you shold probably tell him that jessie is 'testing', and has numerous bugs |
| 13:39.49 | Suhosin | abrotman: I'm hoping he knew that before installing libc6 from it :( |
| 13:39.51 | r00t-err0r | ahaaam |
| 13:39.52 | r00t-err0r | :D |
| 13:39.58 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 13:40.05 | r00t-err0r | i know that :) |
| 13:40.07 | abrotman | if he didn't know not to install libc6 from another version of Debian .. |
| 13:40.17 | Suhosin | r00t-err0r: jessie is testing and contains numerous bugs; sid is ... even moreso and contains lots of bugs. |
| 13:40.22 | r00t-err0r | but i want to play dota and cs and pentesting :D |
| 13:40.41 | Suhosin | I installed Steam for Football Manager :( My addiction |
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| 13:40.51 | shaun- | who needs anything more than nethack ? |
| 13:40.58 | ratcheer | I run Sid and have had almost no problems |
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| 13:41.00 | abrotman | There was steam in my kettle ... |
| 13:41.04 | Suhosin | ratcheer: Same |
| 13:41.06 | abrotman | ratcheer: you're lucky |
| 13:41.07 | r00t-err0r | <- :( |
| 13:41.16 | abrotman | or you never upgrade |
| 13:41.19 | Suhosin | ratcheer: Well, there are issues, but nothing I cant fix most of the time. |
| 13:41.27 | r00t-err0r | i can hack alltime cause laws here :D |
| 13:41.34 | ratcheer | It is a supported Sid distro, though - Siduction Linux |
| 13:41.35 | jelly | ,v steam |
| 13:41.36 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.39-2; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.39-2 |
| 13:41.46 | Suhosin | abrotman: I'm running sid on my laptop, got no major issues and run upgrade most days |
| 13:41.46 | jelly | ,depends steam --release jessie |
| 13:41.47 | judd | Package steam in jessie/i386 -- depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libc6 (>= 2.12), libstdc++6 (>= 4.3), libx11-6, libxau6, libxcb1, libxdmcp6, libgl1-mesa-dri, libgl1-mesa-glx, xterm | gnome-terminal,debconf, multiarch-support. |
| 13:42.06 | jelly | ^^ no need for newer libc6 than what's in wheezy already |
| 13:42.27 | r00t-err0r | cool :D |
| 13:42.29 | Suhosin | jelly: Steam 1.0.0.39 will ask to auto update to latest |
| 13:42.37 | abrotman | then don't use steam .. |
| 13:42.50 | Suhosin | abrotman: Not an option. :P |
| 13:42.51 | jelly | abrotman: the whole point is to use it |
| 13:42.58 | abrotman | Steam is new CS server .. all the kids want it |
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| 13:43.19 | jelly | imagine that, using an OS to install stuff on it |
| 13:43.23 | Suhosin | Steam is the best way to get most modern games o.o |
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| 13:43.56 | abrotman | besides a PS4 ? :) |
| 13:44.03 | Suhosin | I have an Xbox One |
| 13:44.04 | shaun- | I thought steam are working on their own linux-based console? |
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| 13:44.14 | Suhosin | But that doesn't have DOTA2 or Football Manager. |
| 13:44.17 | shaun- | I guess they thought win8 sucks too. |
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| 13:44.19 | Ormu | anyone here using NUT (the ups toolkit)? |
| 13:44.32 | abrotman | Ormu: lots of people |
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| 13:45.58 | ratcheer | That was weird |
| 13:46.33 | Ormu | the problem is that neither upsd nor the driver (bcmxcp_usb) works when running as the "nut" user as it does by default... when running them as root they work fine |
| 13:46.42 | tdn | babilen, I would just like one that works and is easy to set up :) |
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| 13:47.16 | babilen | jelly: Thanks for repeating the fact that the Debian package depends on "libc6 (>= 2.12)" -- it seems to have been overlooked. |
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| 13:47.50 | jelly | babilen: I installed it onto a wheezy with dpkg without issues |
| 13:47.55 | abrotman | which version of libc6? |
| 13:48.04 | jelly | (apart from the obvious apt-get -f install) |
| 13:48.25 | jelly | it could be put into w-backports as-is |
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| 13:49.01 | babilen | jelly: yeah, that is exactly why I mentioned the libc6 dependency of the *Debian* package earlier. I simply wanted to thank you for mentioning it again as that fact (and its implications) seem to have been overlooked by r00t-err0r and Suhosin |
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| 13:50.12 | babilen | tdn: I guess both would work and are reasonable easy to setup. The newer version differs from the older in that it is, well, newer which might translate into "better, more advanced software" in the best of worlds ;) |
| 13:51.15 | GuestO5531 | hello i want to create a live-build but when i run lb build i always get chroot: failed to run command `/usr/bin/env': No such file or directory can sb help me? |
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| 13:56.36 | talin | hello |
| 13:57.13 | talin | i was going to give debian a try on my laptop (currently running freebsd) |
| 13:57.46 | talin | and first of all it installs the mbr on the usb stick i'm installing from instead of my disk |
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| 13:58.22 | talin | and then it doesn't allow non-gnu wifi-drivers or something, so i need to download those separately and get those from another usb-stick |
| 13:58.46 | talin | and i thought debian was supposed to be easier than freebsd! |
| 13:58.47 | babilen | talin: How did you create the USB stick? |
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| 13:59.56 | babilen | talin: And what is the PCI ID of your wireless adaptor. What exactly do you mean by "non-gnu wifi-drivers" ? Most "drivers" aren't developed by GNU but are part of the kernel. You might, however, require firmware for some chipsets. |
| 14:00.17 | talin | babilen: i downloaded an imagefile from debian.org and then used some windows program that someone recommended to write it to the disk |
| 14:00.53 | mrmr | i always dd imagefiles |
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| 14:01.40 | babilen | talin: I would blame the "some windows program" -- We offer hybrid isos that can be written *directly* to the USB stick. One way to do this is by running "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb (*not* /dev/sdb1 or so) and the device node of your USB stick. You probably have to adapt that for FreeBSD |
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| 14:02.17 | babilen | mrmr: dd is slower by default and has awkward syntax ... also a better alternative exists in the form of dcfldd :) |
| 14:02.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell talin -about usb install |
| 14:02.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell talin -about install debian |
| 14:02.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell talin -about firmware image |
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| 14:03.56 | babilen | talin: Our bot (dpkg) sent you some factoids containing information about the Debian installation process and semi-unofficial images that contain firmware already. You can ask the bot about everyhting in <…> to get more information. I'd recommend also asking it about <installer firmware> <ig> and <handbook> |
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| 14:04.07 | Ormu | i'm having a problem with NUT (the ups toolkit)... neither upsd nor the driver (bcmxcp_usb) work when running them as the "nut" user... when running them as root they work fine |
| 14:04.22 | talin | babilen: thank you |
| 14:04.45 | talin | babilen: the debian installation is the one that wrote mbr to the usb stick instead of my disk though |
| 14:05.09 | talin | pci id is 0:12:0:0 |
| 14:05.29 | babilen | talin: The problem that grub behaves weirdly is a typical symptom of non-canonical usb stick creation. Many simply assume that tools such as unetbootin work while they simply do not and then blame Debian (rather than the tool) for their broken installation :) |
| 14:05.52 | tdn | babilen, ok. |
| 14:05.59 | babilen | talin: You can list the pciid with "lspci -nn|grep -i network" on Linux. |
| 14:06.04 | talin | babilen: ah, i see. |
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| 14:06.18 | babilen | you gave the bus address |
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| 14:06.39 | mrmr | \ |
| 14:06.41 | babilen | talin: If you know the name of the chipset we could work with that too :) |
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| 14:09.43 | talin | babilen: yes, it is an intel wifi link 5100, chip=0x42328086 |
| 14:10.49 | babilen | talin: yeah, that chipset requires firmware. Do you plan to use a netinstall image or another one? |
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| 14:11.07 | talin | babilen: a netinstall, yep |
| 14:11.22 | talin | babilen: by the way, is debian good for a desktop system? |
| 14:12.38 | babilen | talin: In that case you can download and use the netinstall image with firmware -- I've been using Debian for many years as my main operating system and am quite happy with it. It is certainly "good" -- that being said I track sid (unstable development branch) which makes things more "interesting" (all the bugs and none of the stability) |
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| 14:13.06 | wols | talin: that depends on your expectations |
| 14:13.12 | babilen | talin: But also Debian stable (currently wheezy) with <wheezy-backports> is certainly a good choice. |
| 14:13.27 | talin | what is wheezy-backports? |
| 14:13.29 | babilen | Don't expect Debian to run software written for MS Windows for example ;) |
| 14:13.39 | babilen | talin: Ask the bot "/msg dpkg wheezy-backports" ;) |
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| 14:14.01 | wols | talin: newer software, like libreoffice4 for wheezy which ships with libreoffice3.6 or so |
| 14:14.07 | talin | i've used freebsd since 1997, so i expect that it'll be stable, but more convenient in terms of managing packages and desktop stuff |
| 14:14.20 | babilen | talin: I'd recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html in due course (the whole book is great, but might be *slightly* outdated in places as it was written for the last stable release) |
| 14:14.28 | wols | talin: that's a good expectation to have. then I'd say it's "good" for you |
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| 14:14.55 | babilen | talin: "stable" in Debian simply means "not changing", but I can assure you that it is also reasonable "bug free" and "not crashing" (and so on) |
| 14:15.16 | talin | babilen: excellent |
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| 14:16.08 | babilen | Give it a try and see what you think. Come here if you have problems of which you aren't sure how to tackle them. For now I would recommend to download the image with firmware and to create the USB in a supported manner. Do you know which (if any) Desktop Environment you would like to use? |
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| 14:32.10 | Ormu | should I adjust USB device permissions or what? |
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| 14:37.32 | imdea | Hi one question, I have a debian server and I'm trying to setup puppet on it, but when trying to install puppetmaster-passenger on it, it complains because it doesn't have 'headers module' (for apache). I've searched and it seems that it's not into the debian repositories, any ideas? |
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| 14:38.30 | babilen | imdea: As always: Provide additional information, commands + output on http://paste.debian.net please |
| 14:39.15 | imdea | babilen: I just want to know if apache2 mod "headers" is called other way in debian because I can't find it as libapache2-mod-headers for some reason |
| 14:39.15 | babilen | imdea: Or switch to ansible or salt and don't think about *that* problem again ;) |
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| 14:39.53 | babilen | imdea: "a2enmod headers" ? |
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| 14:40.21 | imdea | babilen: no, because there isn't suck "headers" module under /etc/apache2/mods-available |
| 14:40.26 | imdea | such* |
| 14:40.37 | Sevet | /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_headers.so is in apache2.2-bin |
| 14:41.05 | Sevet | and by default there's a headers.load in mods-available |
| 14:41.17 | imdea | Sevet: not by default. |
| 14:41.39 | Sevet | yes by default, it's in apache2.2-common |
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| 14:42.19 | imdea | Sevet: I have it installed it, and it's not there by default, and have installed apache2, apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-utils, apache2.2-bin and apache2.2-common |
| 14:42.30 | Iridos | imdea, if you had not installed that package, you could have found it yourself with apt file... e.g. apt-file search headers |grep apache |
| 14:42.34 | babilen | imdea: Mind actually providing some commands and their output? |
| 14:42.35 | Iridos | dpkg, tell imdea about apt-file |
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| 14:42.59 | Iridos | perhaps he's not on wheezy, though |
| 14:43.02 | babilen | judd: file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_headers.so |
| 14:43.06 | judd | Search for /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_headers.so in wheezy/i386: apache2.2-bin: usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_headers.so |
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| 14:43.19 | imdea | Iridos, I am in wheezy. |
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| 14:44.35 | Warp4_Away | ok here is my question. how do i prevent aptitude from NOT removing KDE when I use it (even though it says that the files that make up KDE are no longer in use)? |
| 14:44.37 | babilen | imdea: So, please provide the output of: "dpkg -l apache2.2-bin|tail -n1", "ls -l /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_headers.so", "a2enmod headers" and "ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-available/*headers*" |
| 14:44.53 | GeekGirlGabriell | hello can anyine tell me the purpose of nogroup? |
| 14:45.54 | babilen | Warp4_Away: You want to mark the packages you want to keep as manually installed. See "/msg dpkg install kde" for an overview of suitable metapackages. |
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| 14:46.37 | Warp4_Away | babilen, I installed using the kde-full metapackage |
| 14:46.47 | Warp4_Away | but its wanting to remove a lot of KDE stuff because of failed dependencies |
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| 14:46.52 | Warp4_Away | even though everything works |
| 14:47.04 | Sevet | GeekGirlGabriell: all users require at least one group, it's for the daemons that run as an unprivileged user |
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| 14:47.32 | babilen | Warp4_Away: Show us -- Sounds as if you removed one of kde-full's dependencies. (paste it to http://paste.debian.net) -- Please also include /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 14:47.39 | GeekGirlGabriell | Thank you Sevet |
| 14:47.41 | Sevet | the group equivalent of the nobody user |
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| 14:48.24 | imdea | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/69100/ |
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| 14:51.37 | babilen | imdea: What does "dpkg -l apache2.2-common|tail -n1" give you? |
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| 14:52.34 | imdea | babilen: same than apache2.2-bin, that it is installed. |
| 14:53.03 | Sevet | copy and paste, we want to see the version number |
| 14:53.11 | wes_incredible | I could use some help. Last night, when running apt-get autoremove, I managed to break my b43 Wifi. I have ruled out it being a UI issue. The laptop's Wifi light does not come on in Debian anymore, but does in Windows. This has always worked flawlessly for me by installing "firmware-b43-lpphy-installer", the very first time. It's there (and I reinstalled it), but now it refuses to come up. |
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| 14:54.03 | babilen | imdea: Did you tinker with the files? What does "debsums apache2.2-common" give you? (you might have to install debsums first) |
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| 14:54.18 | Sevet | imdea: was this a system upgraded from something before wheezy, or that had apache installed in the past? wondering if your old config files were preserved from an older version |
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| 14:54.34 | imdea | Sevet: yes, it was squeeze before. |
| 14:54.46 | babilen | wes_incredible: Could you install rfkill and run "rfkill list" please? |
| 14:54.59 | wes_incredible | Will do, give me one sec. |
| 14:55.06 | Warp4_Away | babilen: i can paste the section of history.log that shows i installed the kde-full package |
| 14:55.15 | imdea | babilen: command not found. |
| 14:55.35 | imdea | installing it right now |
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| 14:55.44 | wes_incredible | babilen: rfkill produces this: 0: dell-wifi: Wireless LAN |
| 14:55.46 | wes_incredible | Soft blocked: no |
| 14:55.46 | wes_incredible | Hard blocked: no |
| 14:55.46 | wes_incredible | 2: phy1: Wireless LAN |
| 14:55.46 | wes_incredible | Soft blocked: no |
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| 14:56.12 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 14:56.35 | imdea | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/69102/ |
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| 14:57.19 | wes_incredible | babilen: rfkill produces 0: dell-wifi: Wireless LAN, Soft blocked: no, Hard blocked: no. 2: phy1: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no, Hard blocked: no |
| 14:58.04 | Sevet | imdea: try 'debsums -e apache2.2-common' |
| 14:59.38 | imdea | Sevet, http://paste.debian.net/69103/ |
| 14:59.54 | babilen | wes_incredible: Please paste to http://paste.debian.net in the future. That looks fine, what does "modprobe -r b43 ; modprobe b43 ; dmesg|tail -n42" give you? |
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| 15:00.40 | Sevet | imdea: personally i'd move /etc/apache2 to /etc/apache2.old, uninstall (purge) apache2 and install it again to get the shipped config files, then merge anything i want back in from /etc/apache2.old |
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| 15:01.06 | babilen | imdea: There you go, you must have removed those in the past. I concur with Sevet's suggestion. Alternatively see "/msg dpkg confnew" |
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| 15:01.07 | imdea | Sevet: weird thing is that I didn't get any kind of error during upgrade to wheezy |
| 15:01.18 | imdea | babilen: removed what? |
| 15:01.25 | wes_incredible | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/69104/ |
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| 15:01.36 | Sevet | surprised that 2.2.16 -> 2.2.22 would be such a big config change though |
| 15:01.41 | babilen | imdea: You mentinoed that you upgrade(d) to wheezy for the first time. Was apache installed on squeeze? |
| 15:01.44 | Sevet | that it'd break it that much |
| 15:01.49 | imdea | babilen: yes |
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| 15:03.05 | babilen | imdea: It is a bit hard now to investigate what you've done as this system obviously has some history. Any indication of you changing the configuration files? But then: You should get the default configuration files with the confnew trick .. Make sure to have backups of configuration files you *do* want to keep. |
| 15:03.22 | waqstar | hi, run into a bit of a problem. can someone help. I have a puppet master installed and it stores files in /var/lib/puppet/reports I have to manually delete these reports as the directory gets too big. Can someone steer me in the right direction as to how I would automatically delete these as they get older than a month for example |
| 15:04.08 | imdea | babilen: I've just purged everything from apache |
| 15:04.11 | imdea | and going to install it again |
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| 15:05.08 | babilen | wes_incredible: That looks about alright .. What about "iwconfig" and "ifconfig -a" ? If it is wlan0 please also include "ifconfig wlan0 up" followed by "iwlist wlan0 scan" and "ifconfig wlan0 down" |
| 15:05.39 | babilen | (please redact any personal information in those pastes such as the name of networks) |
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| 15:08.30 | babilen | sincerely dislikes that wifi chipset |
| 15:08.43 | wes_incredible | me too, still pasting command output |
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| 15:09.57 | Suhosin | babilen: Nice to know the debian version is working with wheezy libc6 but afaik it's not the latest Steam so *will not work* on the live Steam server. |
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| 15:12.01 | babilen | Suhosin: okay - I really don't care about steam and am not paying attention to it. I was simply pointing out that the Debian package should work on wheezy without problems. |
| 15:12.20 | Suhosin | ,apt steam |
| 15:12.26 | Suhosin | ,v steam |
| 15:12.27 | babilen | Suhosin: fwiw, there is a #steamlug channel full of people who have enough time to play computer games on linux ;) |
| 15:12.28 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.39-2; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.39-2 |
| 15:12.35 | Suhosin | ty :3 |
| 15:12.38 | wes_incredible | babilen: At some point in the command sequence you gave me, the light came back on. Although it is off now. It could have been the final wlan0 down that killed it. http://paste.debian.net/69105/ |
| 15:13.01 | Suhosin | babilen: I always have time for games, that's what 3rd monitors are for :D |
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| 15:13.15 | babilen | wes_incredible: It looks as if it works perfectly. |
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| 15:14.09 | wes_incredible | Almost, except it's off now. I can bring it up again. I just need to figure out why Xfce isn't showing any networks in Wicd. |
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| 15:15.02 | babilen | wes_incredible: Oh, wicd. I've stopped using (and supporting) that ever since it was abandoned by upstream a couple of years back. Prefer network-manager now. You *might* have to check your wicd configuration as it is almost certainly a wicd issue. |
| 15:15.05 | wes_incredible | babilen: Light is back on, but No wireless networks found, in Xfcd, Wicd. |
| 15:15.13 | babilen | *shrug* |
| 15:15.30 | wes_incredible | Alright, I assume I can just apt-get remove wicd, then apt-get install network-manager? |
| 15:15.33 | acu | my question is whether fedora19 is going to be exactly as RHEL7 will be |
| 15:15.35 | babilen | IIRC you can/have to configure wicd for your adaptor. |
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| 15:16.01 | babilen | wes_incredible: I would purge rather than remove it. And then make sure to start nm-applet ... |
| 15:16.27 | babilen | wes_incredible: You probably want to install network-manager-gnome |
| 15:16.28 | wes_incredible | babilen: Should I start nm-applet prior to attempting to install network-manager? |
| 15:16.55 | babilen | no, that wouldn't be possible. nm-applet is the network-manager applet that comes with network-manager-gnome and is used to configure network-manager. |
| 15:17.05 | wes_incredible | babilen: I bet that's what got removed during the auto remove (network-manager-gnome). |
| 15:17.25 | wes_incredible | babilen: Understood. Let me purge wicd, and get network-manager-gnome back on here. |
| 15:17.46 | babilen | wes_incredible: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager has the bits and pieces. You could paste your /var/log/apt/history.log if you want me to take a look at what you've done in the past. |
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| 15:18.44 | omarek | Hi, I can't get SSH_ASKPASS to work in Debian. I tried using both "git gui" and "git-cola", and whenever I do something that requires using my SSH key (with password), I get a prompt in terminal. |
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| 15:19.36 | babilen | simply uses ssh-agent and ssh-add |
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| 15:20.20 | omarek | It should display a window. git-cola comes with a fallback GUI in any case. And I also manually installed ksshaskpass. When I run it via /usr/bin/ksshaskpass or /usr/share/git-cola/bin/ssh-askpass , both work. |
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| 15:21.18 | omarek | But when I try to perform a 'pull' using 'git-cola', these dialog boxes don't get displayed. The application hangs, and I get a prompt in terminal: "Enter passphrase for"... |
| 15:21.26 | wes_incredible | babilen: I think I have followed your steps properly, but when trying to execute nm-applet, I get this output, and nothing appears in Xfce. http://paste.debian.net/69109/ |
| 15:21.45 | omarek | I've tried setting SSH_ASKPASS and GIT_ASKPASS env variables manually, but it seems to have no effect. |
| 15:21.51 | wes_incredible | babilen: I'm also still reading the NetworkManager link you pasted to see if I missed anything. |
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| 15:23.29 | babilen | wes_incredible: Oh, that is interesting and your system seems to be broken in more than one way. You said that you use XFCE4: How did you install it? How do you start it? Could you paste your /var/log/apt/history.log to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 15:23.44 | wes_incredible | babilen: Here's my apt history. I think if you look at the very first entry, you can see what was removed in auto remove. I'm sure one of these packages is responsible. http://paste.debian.net/69111/ |
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| 15:26.31 | babilen | wes_incredible: Okay, could you run a "aptitude purge ~c" and then "aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies" -- you really removed everything and the kitchen sink there, but meh. After you've executed those commands it would be great if you could reboot and then come back and report your status. |
| 15:26.51 | babilen | wes_incredible: Oh, make that "aptitude -r install xfce4 xfce4-goodies" btw. |
| 15:27.26 | wes_incredible | babilen: Will do. If I disappear, I'm trying to reboot. :) |
| 15:28.00 | wes_incredible | babilen: It wants to remove 185 packages with "aptitude purge ~c", is that OK? |
| 15:28.05 | babilen | wes_incredible: Please also make sure that you have the following installed: dbus-x11 and xfce4-power-manager |
| 15:29.10 | babilen | wes_incredible: that simply removes configuration files of packages you removed but haven't purged yet. They are configuration files that might or might not influence your system that belong to software you no longer use. Make sure that this doesn't remove configuration of software that you *do* want to keep. (but I am sure you have great backups anyway) |
| 15:29.52 | wes_incredible | babilen: Running now. I can see it's not really removing all those packages. |
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| 15:30.13 | babilen | wes_incredible: I typically use "apt-get purge FOO" or "apt-get --purge autoremove" so that I don't end up with lots of old configuration files. |
| 15:30.26 | imdea | babilen: it worked thanks |
| 15:30.31 | babilen | imdea: yay! :) |
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| 15:31.05 | babilen | imdea: I really wonder what went wrong in your case. Can you be sure that you (somebody else) has touched those files before? |
| 15:31.07 | wes_incredible | babilen: That's a good idea. I struggle a lot with autoremove in general, I just hate those apt messages. But I think I've only run autoremove without breaking things maybe twice in my life. |
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| 15:31.55 | babilen | wes_incredible: It makes sense to pay attention to the things that *will* be done. If autoremove breaks things for you it means that your package selection was broken before. |
| 15:32.39 | wes_incredible | babilen: Alright, I executed your commands. Those last two packages you mentioned were already installed. |
| 15:32.55 | wes_incredible | babilen: I'll reboot now. |
| 15:32.55 | babilen | wes_incredible: autoremove only removes packages that have been automatically installed in the past to satisfy a dependency but on which no package depends on right now. If you actually want to keep some of those packages you should have installed them (or another package that depends on them) explicitly. |
| 15:33.06 | babilen | wes_incredible: See you soon! :) |
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| 15:33.44 | imdea | babilen: it's very unlikely |
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| 15:34.53 | babilen | imdea: *shrug* -- good you got it working though. :-/ |
| 15:35.16 | imdea | babilen: yes!.. thank you! |
| 15:35.33 | wes_incredible | babilen: I'm back. However, no Wifi light. It would appear that Xfce's network control has been switched to network-manager, as there is no trace of Wicd in my system tray. |
| 15:35.52 | babilen | wes_incredible: Yes, but do you have network-manager now? |
| 15:36.09 | babilen | (the applet that is) |
| 15:36.16 | wes_incredible | It would appear so. Different icon up there, never seen it before, only referencing my wired network currently, of course. |
| 15:36.45 | wes_incredible | babilen: Sorry, forgot to prefix you on my last reply. |
| 15:36.48 | babilen | Okay, do you have your wireless configured in /etc/network/interfaces ? Are wireless networks listed if you click on the icon? |
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| 15:37.50 | wes_incredible | babilen: No wireless listed in network-manager's applet, only the wired network. I've traditionally been able to avoid messing with /etc/network/interfaces, but I'll check. |
| 15:38.14 | babilen | wes_incredible: Okay, if you right click on the applet: Is wireless enabled? |
| 15:38.21 | wes_incredible | babilen: No, wlan isn't in there, just auto lo. |
| 15:38.29 | babilen | okay, perfect |
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| 15:39.42 | wes_incredible | babilen: To be honest, I'm not sure. If I right click on it, and then click Edit Connections, I do get a Wireless tab, and I see connections I've made in the past. Does that answer the question? |
| 15:39.47 | mar77i | so, is there something which happens in /etc/rc.local or is that just for decoration nowadays (wheezy)? |
| 15:40.45 | babilen | wes_incredible: No, it doesn't. You should have "Enable Networking" and "Enable Wi-Fi" at the top with checkmarks next to it. The question is: Does "Enable Wi-Fi" have a checkmark next to it? |
| 15:41.21 | babilen | mar77i: It's not used for anything by default |
| 15:41.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell mar77i about rc.local |
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| 15:41.40 | wes_incredible | babilen: Then the answer is no, because it doesn't exist to be checked. Only Enable Networking, and Enable Notifications exist. |
| 15:41.47 | mar77i | dpkg: yeah, tell me a story babe :) |
| 15:41.48 | dpkg | mar77i: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 15:42.02 | babilen | wes_incredible: Hmm :-/ |
| 15:42.05 | mar77i | :O |
| 15:42.18 | babilen | mar77i: Please check your private messages |
| 15:42.38 | babilen | wes_incredible: Does "Enable Networking" have a checkmark next to it? |
| 15:42.42 | mar77i | I'd rather read ancient egyptian scriptures that are less ancient. |
| 15:42.49 | wes_incredible | babilen: Yes, they both do. |
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| 15:43.06 | babilen | mar77i: Please, read the message our bot sent you and stay focused in this support channel. |
| 15:43.46 | mar77i | babilen: I am focused. and my issue updating script is fully functional already thanks to wiki.debian.org. :) |
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| 15:44.02 | babilen | wes_incredible: I take it that "ifconfig wlan0 up" enables your interface again? |
| 15:44.14 | wes_incredible | babilen: I was just going to try that. |
| 15:44.59 | wes_incredible | babilen: Evidently, I made it worse somehow. Now getting wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device. |
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| 15:47.16 | babilen | wes_incredible: May I see the output of "ifconfig -a", "iwconfig", "lspci -nn|grep -i network", "modprobe -r b43 ; modprobe b43 ; dmesg|tail -n42" and "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l firmware-*" on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 15:47.41 | wes_incredible | babilen: Give me a few minutes to prepare that. |
| 15:47.44 | babilen | sure |
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| 15:49.00 | babilen | wes_incredible: Oh, and also include the output of "rfkill list" (you might have to install rfkill first) |
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| 15:50.24 | wes_incredible | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/69116/ - however, one of those steps you had me run has brought the light back up (my guess it modprobe based on when I noticed it). |
| 15:50.29 | babilen | wes_incredible: For extra points run "find /lib/firmware/" -- I'll be back in a few minutes. If I am not: Please ensure that you do have the firmware correctly installed that that the b43 module loads correctly. *If* it doesn't load automagically during the boot sequence you might have to add it to /etc/modules |
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| 15:50.53 | wes_incredible | babilen: I have reason to believe it is working right now. I'm going to disconnect from wired. |
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| 15:51.08 | babilen | wes_incredible: Okay, do you *now* have "Enable Wi-Fi" and a network list in the applet? |
| 15:51.13 | wes_incredible | babilen: Mostly because now I have Enable Wireless in Network Manager since executing your latest commands. |
| 15:51.19 | babilen | ah, great |
| 15:52.24 | babilen | wes_incredible: Okay, my working hypothesis is that the b43 module is not loaded automagically during boot. Please verify that assumption (run "lsmod | grep b43" after boot) and add "b43" to /etc/modules if it is indeed not loaded. |
| 15:52.45 | JyZyXEL | there is something wrong with the wheezy ifup script, i keep getting a link-local route for my interface that gets its ip-address just fine with dhcp |
| 15:52.50 | babilen | Not sure why that would be the case though (slightly buggy) |
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| 15:53.28 | dtcrshr | hello everyone! Im tryint to install xmlint here. apt-get install xmlint points there no package, and suggests the libxml2-utils, which is already installed. Is there any other debian alternatives to a xml parser? |
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| 15:53.53 | wes_ | babilen: I can use the connection now. It's fixed. Thank you so much for all your help. |
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| 15:54.23 | babilen | wes_: Did you see my comments about the loading of the b43 module? |
| 15:54.41 | wes_ | babilen: No because IRC did not like me dropping my connection without restarting. |
| 15:54.51 | babilen | wes_incredible: Okay, my working hypothesis is that the b43 module is not loaded automagically during boot. Please verify that assumption (run "lsmod | grep b43" after boot) and add "b43" to /etc/modules if it is indeed not loaded. |
| 15:54.56 | babilen | wes_: ^^^ |
| 15:55.20 | wes_ | babilen: Will do, I'm going to try it right now. |
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| 15:59.05 | wes_incredible | babilen: It would appear your hypothesis was right. b43 was missing from lsmod after I rebooted, however, I added b43 to /etc/modules and rebooted again, and it came up perfectly. |
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| 16:02.07 | babilen | wes_incredible: yay! enjoy your system! fwiw, I would consider that a bug and you might want to report it (or check if it has been reported already) |
| 16:02.41 | wes_incredible | babilen: I wonder who's bug though? Some package removal stripped b43 from /etc/modules, but I would have no idea whose. |
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| 16:04.01 | babilen | wes_incredible: You mean you had edited that file before? |
| 16:04.24 | lroe | I'm on wheezy, and when I try to install nvidia-glx I start in on dependency hell |
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| 16:04.57 | wes_incredible | babilen: No, I haven't. I'm just assuming if by me addinng b43 to it that the issue got resolved, then it used to be there and some package removed it on removal, right? |
| 16:05.07 | babilen | lroe: Please follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and provide your commands and their output if you want our help |
| 16:05.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell lroe -about bat |
| 16:05.59 | babilen | wes_incredible: No, the module should have been loaded automatically during the boot without you adding it manually to the list of "modules to load" -- It should have been included simply by the fact that you have hardware that needs it. |
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| 16:07.30 | wes_incredible | babilen: I see. So the bug is with the b43-lpphy package? |
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| 16:09.07 | lroe | I think this is everything you need: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/67cb59e4/ |
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| 16:14.03 | babilen | lroe: You have packages installed from backports already and therefore have to install nvidia-kernel-dkms from backports too. Do you have a backported kernel installed too? |
| 16:14.40 | lroe | is 3.2.0-4 backported? |
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| 16:16.48 | babilen | lroe: No |
| 16:17.24 | babilen | lroe: Okay, please try "apt-get install linux-headers-amd64 ; aptitude -r -t wheezy-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
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| 16:21.43 | lroe | babilen, thanks |
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| 16:26.28 | dimitry7 | Hi Guys! I am reading crontab doc. Here there is something I don't understand: the docs say this: ( 0 4 8-14 * * ) runs on every second saturday of each month. What I see is that it runs at 04:00 from day 8,9,10,11,12,13 and 14 of each month. Isn't it?? |
| 16:26.35 | dimitry7 | are the docs wrong? |
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| 16:34.15 | stew | dimitry7: i agree with your interpretation |
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| 16:35.30 | stew | in fact I don't think it is possible to specify something which means "second saturday of each month" |
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| 16:36.10 | stew | "0 4 8-14 * 1" would mean dates 8 - 14 and ADDITIONALLY every saturday |
| 16:36.18 | Iridos | dimitry7, the actually command contains test $(date +\%u) -eq 6 && echo "2nd Saturday" |
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| 16:36.54 | Iridos | so 8-14 is only meant to provide a set of days that *contains* the 2nd Saturday ... then there's a test for "is it saturday" i the command |
| 16:37.36 | Iridos | s/ i the/ in the/ |
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| 16:38.38 | Iridos | or, to actually show the full line, it's: 0 4 8-14 * * test $(date +\%u) -eq 6 && echo "2nd Saturday" # Run on every second Saturday of the month |
| 16:39.02 | dutchfish | hi, is there any efford going on the get kernel 3.2.53/52 upgraded into wheezy? if so, how can i find out? |
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| 16:40.23 | dutchfish | as far as i know 3.2.51-1 is current wheezy, right? |
| 16:41.33 | zykotick9 | ,kernels |
| 16:41.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-trunk-686-pae (3.12-1~exp1); sid: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.8-1); jessie: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.8-1); wheezy-backports: 3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.11.8-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 16:45.15 | dutchfish | jelly, yeh, ben hutchins |
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| 16:49.35 | brahman | Hi, the Debian way for managing Apache2 is great, baring that in mind what would be the best practice way of setting global apache environment vars. ie where should I stick my setenv declarations? |
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| 16:51.16 | dimitry7 | stew, I agree with you Stew. Sorry for late response. There is no way possible in cron, though I spent some tome guessing if I could make it lol... |
| 16:51.32 | dimitry7 | Iridos, so do you think the command is doing the trick? |
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| 16:51.53 | larico | brahman> /etc/apache2/envvars ? |
| 16:52.04 | Iridos | dimitry7, what do you mean "think"? It does test if it's a Saturday |
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| 16:53.04 | brahman | larico: that was my initial thought but was wondering if there was a nice way to use an include dir in a similar way that vhosts are enabled/disabled by using symlinks. |
| 16:53.13 | Iridos | and as the first Saturday can at the latest happen at the 7th of a month... |
| 16:53.21 | brahman | just phishing for ideas really... |
| 16:53.40 | brahman | s/phishing/fishing/ |
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| 16:53.45 | Iridos | and the 2nd Saturday of the month can at the soonest happen at the 8th... |
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| 16:55.08 | dimitry7 | Iridos, Do you think? = It's a common expresion. |
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| 16:55.57 | larico | brahman> you can set your env anywhere in your vhosts config file. Not sure what you mean ? |
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| 16:57.24 | brahman | don't worry... I was just curious if anyone used a includes mechanism for including env variables. |
| 16:57.32 | dimitry7 | Iridos, I didn't suppose a common expresion would make you feel I was belittling your statement. |
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| 16:58.08 | brahman | ex: /etc/apache2/env.d/COMPANY.conf |
| 16:58.29 | brahman | this file then contains various setenv statements relating to that company... |
| 16:58.38 | brahman | the dir is included in apache2.conf |
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| 17:00.15 | brahman | my aim is to ease deployment of the env vars for different clients using configuration management software. Perhaps am making the problem more complex than it is... |
| 17:01.18 | jelly | brahman: you can't trust clients to set environment for the whole service. |
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| 17:02.05 | jelly | if you do, just give them access to change that one file, or assemble the file using custom scripts |
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| 17:02.24 | brahman | jelly: these are internal clients which we set ourselves so am not worried about var name vconflicts |
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| 17:03.29 | brahman | my aim is to deploy a recursive dir using puppet ie /etc/apache2/env.d/ and then allow my team to deploy division specific conf files with there own vars. |
| 17:03.49 | brahman | in your opinion is that a clean way to achieve this? |
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| 17:04.24 | jelly | brahman: since there's no infrastructure in place, you'll have to invent your own, yes |
| 17:05.08 | brahman | jelly: ok, thanks. will go down that route... |
| 17:05.16 | brahman | thanks to both of you. |
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| 17:06.16 | fruitFly_ | where's the dpkg package manager in kde? |
| 17:06.25 | seanz | Good morning. Anyone here familiar with the debarchiver tool? |
| 17:06.26 | fruitFly_ | is it "run dpkg"? |
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| 17:07.00 | mtn | fruitFly_: synaptic? |
| 17:07.24 | mtn | fruitFly_: same in kde as in anything else |
| 17:07.29 | RafaelJoseY | hello, i come here for help |
| 17:07.29 | fruitFly_ | mtn: i think so? the one that manages debian packages, i believe .deb |
| 17:07.48 | mtn | fruitFly_: apt, aptitude, synaptic |
| 17:07.57 | fruitFly_ | mtn: i'm looking for the gui app, i think i might want to put xfce on, not feeling this kde |
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| 17:08.17 | RafaelJoseY | !es RafaelJoseY |
| 17:08.18 | dpkg | RafaelJoseY: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 17:08.18 | mtn | fruitFly_: synaptic it is |
| 17:08.30 | brahman | fruitFly_: go with KDE. it rules! |
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| 17:08.41 | brahman | puts on his flame retardant gear... |
| 17:09.05 | nmschulte | How can I setup my networking so that all traffic routes through my VPN? I'm using XFCE, but am familiar with CLI (ip route, etc.). |
| 17:09.19 | nmschulte | s/XFCE/XFCE with NetworkManager/ |
| 17:09.28 | fruitFly_ | brahman: ok i will try it, what is the activity manger thing though? any pragmatic examppples? |
| 17:10.35 | seanz | So nobody has used debarchiver before? Is there a Debian developers IRC channel perchance? |
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| 17:10.53 | fruitFly_ | mtn: brahman how do i check for updates? like os updates or software updates? |
| 17:10.54 | Samul | hi all |
| 17:11.03 | mtn | fruitFly_: synaptic it is |
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| 17:11.27 | mtn | fruitFly_: kde does come with an update manager, too |
| 17:11.37 | larico | brahman> this might help you : http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/mass.html |
| 17:11.39 | fruitFly_ | mtn: brahman when i search synaptic nothing pops up, but i found an app called apper which seems to be debians package manager |
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| 17:11.57 | Samul | I was modifying my keyboard layout with xmodmap, when I tried to add some characters but I didn’t find their xmodmap name |
| 17:12.03 | ikevin | nmschulte, route add default gw <ip of vpn server> |
| 17:12.07 | Samul | so is there a complete list of all xmodmap names? |
| 17:12.27 | fruitFly_ | mtn: brahman where's the update manager? when i type update in the app search nothing pops up |
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| 17:12.50 | mtn | fruitFly_: apper or something like that |
| 17:13.17 | fruitFly_ | ok got it :) |
| 17:14.21 | fruitFly_ | when i plug in my headphones they dnt work, but they do on windows? |
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| 17:24.28 | Samul | is it possible to add a minus (intended as mathematic sign, − not -) by xmodmap? if so, what is its keysym name? |
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| 17:27.09 | brahman | fruitFly_: software management is the gui app. |
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| 17:28.09 | fruitFly_ | brahman: right thanks :) |
| 17:28.19 | brahman | there is also a widget that takes care of showing you updates and a short summary of the changelog in the panels |
| 17:28.42 | brahman | fruitFly_: np. sorry my Son came back from school so was distracted... |
| 17:28.47 | Walex | Samul: it might be already there, look at alternate group/shift level 3, or compose |
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| 17:29.02 | fruitFly_ | brahman: no worries, i figured it out ;) |
| 17:29.23 | Walex | Samul: anyhow it is possible, but you may need to deal with XKB rather than 'xmodmap' |
| 17:29.40 | fruitFly_ | brahman: mtths just now my headphones dnt work, but they work in windows? they're alsa |
| 17:29.41 | brahman | cool. If you have not used KDE before, it's worth sticking with for a bit. It's a nice desktop environment. |
| 17:30.07 | fruitFly_ | brahman: mtn my headphone interface is also i believe |
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| 17:30.57 | brahman | fruitFly_: System Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon |
| 17:31.18 | brahman | perhaps you can configure the device kde uses there. |
| 17:31.42 | brahman | also look at alsaplay from the CLI to test sound works... |
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| 17:42.29 | fruitFly_ | brahman: how do i configure my headphone jack? and WHY do you prefer kde to xfce? |
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| 17:42.46 | fruitFly_ | brahman: i'm in the phonon menu right now |
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| 17:47.54 | Samul | Walex: yeah it is possible by using ctrl + shift + u + some numbers but I’d prefer to be able to type it by a combination similar to the one for character like æ |
| 17:48.09 | Samul | e.g. alt gr + some other character |
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| 17:49.28 | Samul | anyway I’d like to know how to use XKB, is there any guide about it’ |
| 17:49.30 | Samul | *? |
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| 17:54.19 | Samul | so Walex are you still here? |
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| 18:00.32 | GuestO5531 | could sb explain me how i can i modify a debian live system? |
| 18:00.51 | Samul | as far as I know, you can’t |
| 18:01.10 | cupantae | Samul: for me, using the irish layout, Alt Gr+ - gives me – |
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| 18:01.26 | cupantae | and then adding in a Shift gives me — |
| 18:01.34 | Samul | I’ve an italian layout |
| 18:01.40 | Samul | alt gr + - gives me macron |
| 18:01.42 | Samul | ¯ |
| 18:01.52 | Samul | with shift it types ÷ |
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| 18:02.10 | reisio | guest... O? |
| 18:02.17 | reisio | GuestO5531: /nick deblive |
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| 18:02.54 | Samul | anyway cupantae, it seems an em dash the character you’ve typed |
| 18:03.02 | Samul | and that is different than minus math sign |
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| 18:03.12 | reisio | and also different from - |
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| 18:03.16 | cupantae | ah, ok. i've changed keymaps with xmodmap before and it's not too bad. am i right in saying you've already done this, but would like to do it with XKB? |
| 18:03.39 | Samul | yeah |
| 18:03.49 | Samul | but first I’d have to learn how to use XKB |
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| 18:04.30 | Samul | anyway I was lookin’ for another character, called bullet hyphen. it is ⁃ |
| 18:04.42 | Samul | no ideas of its keysym name? |
| 18:05.23 | Samul | anyway cupantae, please could you link me a good XKB guide. |
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| 18:06.37 | cupantae | i'm somewhat biased in saying this, but the arch linux wiki pages are good: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/X_KeyBoard_extension |
| 18:06.58 | Samul | are you sure? arch linux is so different than debian |
| 18:07.02 | rsch | heresy |
| 18:07.16 | Samul | mine or his? |
| 18:07.24 | rsch | yes |
| 18:07.34 | cupantae | yeah, but the packages they use strive for as little modification from the base source |
| 18:07.44 | Samul | rsch: what yes? |
| 18:07.57 | cupantae | so what you learn ends up being fairly widely applicable |
| 18:08.06 | Samul | got it |
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| 18:08.13 | rsch | Samul: it's only a joke |
| 18:08.20 | Samul | so I’m going to read it in a few minutes. |
| 18:08.23 | Samul | OK rsch ^^ |
| 18:08.52 | reisio | xkb is xkb |
| 18:09.18 | cupantae | rsch: obviously, the debian way is the _right_ way, though :) |
| 18:09.38 | reisio | same way on either distro :p |
| 18:09.46 | rsch | cupantae: MY way is the right way |
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| 18:10.38 | rsch | The ___right___ way |
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| 18:11.25 | Samul | OK thanks all. I’ll try it ASAP |
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| 18:42.21 | slaeshjag | So, uh... I got myself into a pickle. I got a package installed with unmet deps. I don't want to remove the package. Installing the deps will break my system completely. Is there any way I can force dpkg to accept I don't have the packages installed, and make it move on with its life? |
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| 18:43.36 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag: yes, but that's not what you want to do |
| 18:43.47 | slaeshjag | dondelelcaro: What do I want to do? |
| 18:43.49 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag: in general, you want to fix the package so that it has the right dependencies, and then install it |
| 18:43.51 | fruitFly | my headphone is not working in kde but it does in windows? it's an alsa interface |
| 18:44.28 | slaeshjag | dondelelcaro: tbh, I spent 7 hours getting it to work again after removing it once, I'm a tad wary of uninstalling it. |
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| 18:44.43 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag: what package are we talking about here? |
| 18:45.34 | slaeshjag | dondelelcaro: Some special steam-installer different from the package in testing. The one in testing, I can't get to work due to 32-bit libc6 incompatibilities |
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| 18:46.12 | slaeshjag | Its deps are about to cause havoc in my drivers |
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| 18:46.46 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag: hrm... and you're running testing? |
| 18:46.46 | slaeshjag | I just want it to forget about mesa :| |
| 18:46.51 | slaeshjag | dondelelcaro: No, stable |
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| 18:47.09 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag: OK; is there some reason why you can't backport the steam installer from testing? |
| 18:47.33 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag: alternatively, if it's just a single package, you can use equivs to make dpkg think that the appropriate package is installed, assuming the package actually works |
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| 18:47.48 | slaeshjag | dondelelcaro: Testing has the same old versions of libc. I tried upgrading them with an ubuntu package, but that just broke the 32-bit enviroment completely |
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| 18:48.15 | wols | slaeshjag: what libc6 version do you need? |
| 18:48.16 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag: huh? testing has 2.17... |
| 18:48.28 | slaeshjag | dondelelcaro: Hm. I'm pretty sure I saw 2.17 o_O |
| 18:48.31 | slaeshjag | 2.13* |
| 18:48.39 | dondelelcaro | stable has 2.13. |
| 18:48.54 | wols | slaeshjag: you sure you run testing? |
| 18:49.00 | slaeshjag | wols: no, I run stable. |
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| 18:49.05 | dondelelcaro | installing totally different libc6 versions ontop of a stable distribution is going to cause you rpboelms |
| 18:49.07 | wols | that explains it |
| 18:49.17 | slaeshjag | dondelelcaro: I noticed that ;) |
| 18:49.41 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag: anyway, why can't you just install the steam installer package from testing? |
| 18:49.49 | wols | slaeshjag: remove all the foreign packages from ubuntu and testing. then use LD_PRELOAD to run your steam stuff |
| 18:49.56 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag: it appears to depend on everything it actually needs |
| 18:50.01 | wols | dondelelcaro: it depends on a libc 2.17 |
| 18:50.08 | dondelelcaro | wols: oh, really? |
| 18:50.16 | dondelelcaro | heh; then, yes, use LD_PRELOAD for it |
| 18:50.23 | wols | afaik yes. also testing steam might not be the current version for steampowered.com |
| 18:50.28 | slaeshjag | dondelelcaro: Because steam requires libc6 version >= 2.15, the deps did not tell me about this |
| 18:50.36 | slaeshjag | wols: I purged libc6:i386 and reinstalled it, that made stuff work again. |
| 18:50.38 | dondelelcaro | (the dependencies claim that libc >= 2.12 is good enough) |
| 18:50.49 | slaeshjag | dondelelcaro: That's a lie |
| 18:50.53 | wols | slaeshjag: which libc6 do you have right now? |
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| 18:51.08 | slaeshjag | wols: 2.13. I found an installer that LD_PRELOAD's all the right versions. |
| 18:51.11 | wols | you should go back to a proper debian stable |
| 18:51.33 | wols | so which package exactly gives you grief right now? apt is the output of apt-get -f install? |
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| 18:52.24 | slaeshjag | wols: It wants libgl1-mesa-dri:i386, libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 |
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| 18:54.06 | slaeshjag | wols: And those will pull in 30 odd new packages, and ruin my SDL development setup |
| 18:54.41 | Samul | A dopo |
| 18:55.26 | fruitFly | my headphone is not working in kde but it does in windows? it's an alsa interface |
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| 18:57.18 | ovidiu_calbajos | hello all, I just installed conntrack and is not working properly. When I execute conntrack -L the output is 0 flow entries .. and it doesn't look he's working. the lsmod | grep "conntrack" finds the module loaded. I'm running 7.2 32b and conntrack version is 1.2.1 |
| 18:57.36 | ompaul | fruitFly: run alsamixer and check the settings for muted etc - also does it work for speakers either internal or external? |
| 18:58.03 | fruitFly | ompaul: it's not muted, and yes my internal speakers work |
| 18:58.22 | ompaul | fruitFly: physical switches? |
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| 18:58.33 | fruitFly | ompaul: ? |
| 18:58.52 | ompaul | is it physically switched on if it has such a switch |
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| 18:59.16 | fruitFly | ompaul: dsnt have a switch so I'm assuming it's on |
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| 19:00.33 | ompaul | fruitFly: one presumes that you checked that the right card is being used by alsamixer, note it is on the screen when you first start alsamixer |
| 19:00.35 | ovidiu_calbajos | nobody? |
| 19:00.46 | ompaul | fruitFly: and sadly I have to adjourn for food |
| 19:01.01 | koshie | hi |
| 19:01.15 | fruitFly | ompaul: right card? |
| 19:01.39 | fruitFly | ompaul: my comp IS sensing when the headphones r plugged in |
| 19:02.02 | fruitFly | ompaul: so it's software error. my gui audio manager doesn't show the headphone jack, but in alsamixer it does |
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| 19:02.54 | koshie | Using Testing 64 bits I have a new problem: after an update/upgrade/dist-upgrade my system is unable to run Steam anymore. I miss libGL.so.1. And so I've used the command dpkg --add-architecture i386 plus apt-get update to enable the multiarch but it doesn't works. |
| 19:03.30 | koshie | Oh and yeah: I'm using an Intel HD graphics cards. |
| 19:03.51 | koshie | So I'm looking for which packages to install to solve that. |
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| 19:11.27 | RafaJYepez | !es |
| 19:11.27 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 19:11.52 | RafaJYepez | !es RafaJYepez |
| 19:11.52 | dpkg | RafaJYepez: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
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| 19:21.47 | RafaJYepez | what is the best distro for noob's, I'm new, I don't know much about linux, I have a AMD FX600 16gb RAM, HDD 1tb, Video Card Gforce 1gb |
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| 19:24.44 | jhutchins | RafaJYepez: We could pretend that because this is a Debian channel, Debian is the only thing we know about, and we don't know how it compares to other distributions. |
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| 19:25.34 | fruitFly | RafaJYepez: i like debian because it's linux and stable, but are u looking for anything in particulaR? |
| 19:25.43 | jhutchins | RafaJYepez: It depends on the user. What do you need out of the system? Is it a hobby system you want to mess with a log? Do you want to learn about how computers and Operating Systems work? Is the computer a tool to get a job done? |
| 19:25.56 | jhutchins | s/log/lot |
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| 19:27.02 | gede | RafaJYepez ubuntu.. |
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| 19:28.06 | Samul\AWAY | cya all |
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| 19:29.19 | jhutchins | gede: Superficially, but when things go wrong on Ubuntu they can be a lot harder to fix, because nobody knows how it acually works. |
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| 19:29.30 | wsky | gede: ubuntu is not a bad distro for pros as well |
| 19:29.46 | wsky | gede: i hate labeling ubuntu as "a distro for noobs" |
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| 19:30.26 | frajive | whats pro about ubuntu ? |
| 19:30.51 | wsky | i mean that it does well in proffesionall/production roles as well |
| 19:31.01 | wsky | as well as learning linux |
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| 19:31.20 | wsky | however i had some hard time with their grub scripts lately |
| 19:31.23 | CissWit | frajive: the 5 years LTS support for one |
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| 19:31.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it it morally wrong to ask #debian about what's so great in ubuntu... but from experience you will have no problems hearing in #ubuntu what's so great about ubuntu |
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| 19:32.08 | ompaul | fruitFly: http://linuxconfig.org/how-to-test-microphone-with-audio-linux-sound-architecture-alsa |
| 19:32.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | it also doesn't work well... ubuntu is just a cheap copy of debian, use the original |
| 19:32.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | :D |
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| 19:33.35 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: I'd have said it was an expensive copy |
| 19:34.50 | fruitFly | ompaul: it's my headphones not working, there is a seperate mic jack |
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| 19:35.41 | ompaul | fruitFly: and does the audio still come out though your speakers when the headphones are plugged in |
| 19:36.16 | fruitFly | ompaul: no |
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| 19:36.25 | fruitFly | ompaul: actually yes |
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| 19:37.23 | ompaul | fruitFly: what exact laptop is that? |
| 19:37.30 | fruitFly | ompaul: but in alsa mixer when when I mute and unmute nothing happens, but when i plug in my headphones it plays, but mutes when I mute, so my mobo knows it's plugged in |
| 19:37.36 | fruitFly | ompaul: asus q400a |
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| 19:38.41 | ompaul | fruitFly: that I can't parse |
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| 19:38.52 | ompaul | what plays when |
| 19:38.54 | ompaul | hu? |
| 19:39.43 | ompaul | fruitFly: what version of debian are you using? |
| 19:39.52 | fruitFly | sound always comes out my speaker (headphons plugged in or not), EXCEPT when I enable mute in alsa mixer |
| 19:39.59 | fruitFly | ompaul: 7.2 stable |
| 19:40.04 | fruitFly | ompaul: net install KDE |
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| 19:41.10 | ompaul | fruitFly: do me a favour and test your mic |
| 19:41.26 | fruitFly | ompaul: ok |
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| 19:41.56 | fruitFly | ompaul: i don't have an external mic, just the one on the computer... go ahead? |
| 19:42.17 | ompaul | fruitFly: no |
| 19:42.24 | ompaul | fruitFly: actually yes |
| 19:42.38 | fruitFly | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.51 | fruitFly | picks up 2 interfacs |
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| 19:45.16 | fruitFly | ompaul: "device or resource busy" when I try to replay it |
| 19:45.59 | ompaul | fruitFly: restart your session if you don't know how to kill pulseaudio with kill -9 |
| 19:46.10 | ompaul | fruitFly: how old is that? |
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| 19:46.41 | ompaul | fruitFly: I can't find it on the asus web site to get a tech spec |
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| 19:47.10 | fruitFly | ompaul: yeah asus sucks with documenting the interfaces |
| 19:47.26 | fruitFly | ompaul: restart session? in konsole? how? |
| 19:47.37 | fruitFly | wut command? |
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| 19:48.24 | ompaul | fruitFly: log out and in again and start with a clean session no browsers nothing just try it then |
| 19:48.36 | fruitFly | ompaul: ok |
| 19:48.39 | fruitFly | brb |
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| 19:49.10 | veggiebecan_free | hi |
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| 19:56.00 | fruitFly | ompaul: it appeared as if it recorded successfully, but i dnt hear anything played back throgh neither my speakers or headphoens |
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| 19:56.43 | ompaul | fruitFly: do you have a head set only from an mp3 player or some such ? |
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| 19:57.25 | fruitFly | ompaul: why? the headphones work, they work on this same computer on my windows partition |
| 19:57.48 | ompaul | fruitFly: I forgot that, in that case I have nothing further to add. |
| 19:59.15 | fruitFly | ompaul: also sometimes in my gui sounds manager i see an alsa mixer volume adjuster, like when i just created a new session, but it disappeared? i think there must be some software/driver glitch |
| 19:59.31 | ompaul | suspects plugged into reversed positions but if they work in winderz then that's not the problemm, and as I said I've really nothing to add., |
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| 20:02.23 | fruitFly | ompaul: it's playing back through vlc now |
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| 20:03.01 | ompaul | fruitFly: what is it's |
| 20:03.14 | fruitFly | ompaul: what is what? |
| 20:03.17 | fruitFly | my mic works |
| 20:03.30 | r00t-err0r | How to make bootable live iso from my current disto? (Easy way :)) |
| 20:03.38 | fruitFly | ompaul: but something seems glitchy, maybe it didn't play back because i wasn't root before? idk |
| 20:04.19 | ompaul | fruitFly: if you are using root for various none root tasks such as running a gui, such as moving / creating files belonging to a user all bets are off |
| 20:04.32 | ompaul | fruitFly: too easy to break the box |
| 20:04.41 | fruitFly | ompaul: i'm not |
| 20:05.07 | fruitFly | ompaul: i only use su when i install something |
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| 20:05.41 | fruitFly | how do i know if i'm even root while navigating the gui? i'm not logged in as root but I see a red root folder in dolphin file manager |
| 20:06.12 | fruitFly | ompaul: and I am VERY meticulous not to change settings so I think i'm good |
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| 20:06.37 | ompaul | fruitFly: read this ... you have managed to confuse me, mixing these two lines, I have nothing further to offer,[20:02:23] <fruitFly> ompaul: it's playing back through vlc now [20:03:38] <fruitFly> ompaul: but something seems glitchy, maybe it didn't play back because i wasn't root before? idk |
| 20:07.52 | fruitFly | ompaul: when i tried to play it back using "aplay" command, i didn't hear anything, but when I used dolphin file manager and navigated to the file I got one of them to play with vlc through my speakers but not my headphones, so my mic does work |
| 20:09.35 | fruitFly | ompaul: i only heard audio from my first recording, I don't hear anything from the other two (after i restarted my seesion) |
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| 20:10.16 | ompaul | fruitFly: I have run out of ideas. |
| 20:10.28 | fruitFly | ompaul: ok, thanks :) |
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| 20:10.40 | fruitFly | ompaul: appreciate it :) |
| 20:10.51 | dashs | Trying to configure NIS and the master server cannot bind to itself - wassup with that? |
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| 20:11.13 | mikejw | how can i activate a secondary monitor within openbox? |
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| 20:13.46 | teraflops | mikejw: xrandr? |
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| 20:16.06 | Kitty | I have a problem with fontconfig in testing |
| 20:16.09 | Kitty | and debendency issues |
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| 20:19.46 | zophy | debian is good for me |
| 20:20.07 | zophy | is Ian still around ? |
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| 20:20.18 | zophy | he is soooo cool |
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| 20:22.42 | Kitty | who do I need to talk to re problems with xpdf following a dist-upgrade ? |
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| 20:23.34 | mikejw | teraflops: thanks |
| 20:24.29 | teraflops | yw mikejw |
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| 20:31.00 | kingsley | Is my understanding correct that Exim4 is commonly used on Debian systems? |
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| 20:32.25 | tremon | if a server is running exim4, I'd say it's highly likely that server is running debian |
| 20:33.11 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: it's just the default MTA |
| 20:33.24 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: but there are probably more Debian machines not running exim... |
| 20:34.46 | kingsley | I'll check popcorn's ratings. |
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| 20:36.23 | pengunix | what means +nmu(1) on a debian package name? |
| 20:37.04 | jordanm | pengunix: non-maintainer upload |
| 20:37.14 | kingsley | pengunix: I'm not certain, but I think it is an abbreviation for Non Maintainer Update (1). |
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| 20:40.50 | kingsley | Popcorn says the installation rates of mail transfer agents are exim4: 74%, Postfix: 17% and sendmail 1%. |
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| 20:43.36 | teraflops | i dont think so kingsley |
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| 20:44.26 | kingsley | teraflops: Please elaborate. |
| 20:44.56 | teraflops | kingsley: avery machine with debian installed has exim4 |
| 20:45.07 | teraflops | as so yours |
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| 20:45.35 | teraflops | but not implementing an mta |
| 20:45.43 | teraflops | I think so |
| 20:46.06 | tremon | teraflops: none of my machines have exim4, and I'm running quite a few debian machines |
| 20:46.08 | teraflops | so this survey is a fake if im right |
| 20:46.52 | teraflops | tremon: when you instaled debian was exim installed on all of toyr machines? |
| 20:46.56 | pengunix | What debian package provides PAM (base / modules)? |
| 20:47.02 | teraflops | s/your |
| 20:47.11 | tremon | no, it wasn't |
| 20:47.21 | teraflops | sure you are the exception |
| 20:47.30 | teraflops | not the rest of the wotrld |
| 20:47.35 | teraflops | s/world |
| 20:47.55 | kingsley | For what it is worth, Exim4's Popcorn report is at http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=exim4 |
| 20:48.07 | tremon | judging from the above popcon results, I would be the exception if I were running sendmail. I'm not |
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| 20:48.27 | pengunix | What debian package provides PAM (base / modules)? |
| 20:48.31 | pengunix | sorry, double |
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| 20:48.40 | dondelelcaro | pengunix: libpam-modules |
| 20:48.48 | teraflops | tremon: are you sure just after the fresh installation uour machines were without exim? |
| 20:48.50 | dondelelcaro | pengunix: apt-cache search libpam; will give you the set of them |
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| 20:49.08 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: that lib-thing infront of pam made it... lib lib lib hm |
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| 20:49.54 | dondelelcaro | pam is pretty much entirely a library, so that's not that unusual |
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| 20:50.04 | tremon | teraflops: yes. I have a preseed file that installs ssmtp :) |
| 20:50.15 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 20:50.24 | teraflops | ok |
| 20:50.40 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: I mean more that there are probably lots of installs without an MTA entirely |
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| 20:55.27 | alami | hello, i have debian 7 and skype 4.2 and my skype got all the off |
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| 20:55.32 | alami | any one can help |
| 20:55.57 | babilen | alami: "all the off" ? |
| 20:56.06 | pengunix | all the off is a very accurate description... |
| 20:57.05 | babilen | alami: Did you follow https://wiki.debian.org/skype for the installation? What do you mean by "all the off" ? |
| 20:57.06 | alami | babilen: just like you have make a quit for skype |
| 20:57.10 | alami | yes yes |
| 20:57.14 | alami | for installation |
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| 20:58.51 | alami | i have never see that befor |
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| 21:00.00 | alexbariv | Grettings my friends! I have a little problem trying to implement a traffic analizer in a debian box. Finally, its working the bridge between my lan and the internet using BRCTL but now i need to analize all the traffic with some kind of GUI interface... In that box its working perfect a BRO implementation, and Suricata (off) too for testing. |
| 21:00.22 | alexbariv | What do you recommend so I can see for example, how many hits its recieving some domain from the network ? |
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| 21:03.22 | deepfreez | Hi, i have a PC with 8 GB ram , i want to install debian server |
| 21:03.27 | deepfreez | what is the good version? |
| 21:03.33 | daemonkeeper | There is just one? |
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| 21:03.59 | JordiGH | When building a package, how do I tell dpkg-buildpackage to skip tests? |
| 21:04.22 | daemonkeeper | You can't unless there is explicit support in the rules file. |
| 21:04.45 | JordiGH | Great, modify debian/rules it is. |
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| 21:05.00 | daemonkeeper | override dh_auto_test then, replace it by a no-op |
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| 21:05.43 | JordiGH | Done. |
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| 21:07.14 | JordiGH | Oh, wait, debian/rules is checking DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS for dh_auto_tests. |
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| 21:08.17 | JordiGH | `DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck dpkg-buildpackage` seems to do it. |
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| 21:08.34 | daemonkeeper | Yes, when the package supports that as said ;) |
| 21:09.00 | deepfreez | what distribution verison need to download / install for a intel with 8gb ram |
| 21:09.07 | daemonkeeper | AMD64 |
| 21:09.15 | daemonkeeper | Stable |
| 21:09.15 | daemonkeeper | i.e. Wheezy. |
| 21:09.16 | deepfreez | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 21:09.22 | daemonkeeper | yes |
| 21:09.45 | daemonkeeper | By chance you need firmware images if you have enterprise NICs |
| 21:09.48 | deepfreez | have pppoe installed? |
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| 21:12.07 | sabotender | I installed the app in windows first and it runs normally in wine |
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| 21:15.51 | blkdg | hello. i am using debian 7.2, amd64. why does synaptic package manager not allow me to add different repository? I know I can edit the file, but why does synaptic not allow me to make changes? |
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| 21:18.18 | jordanm | blkdg: which part of adding it fails? |
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| 21:18.52 | blkdg | jordanm, when I click in the checkbox, it unselects |
| 21:19.49 | jordanm | blkdg: works for me, might be a bug |
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| 21:25.33 | MikeMike_ | hi there, I'm trying to use a usb-card on my laptop, but its way to loud. When I open alsamixer I have a pcm bar, which I can set to 0 (very quiet, but not muted) and 1 (much to loud, like someone yelling at you), > 2 (get's even louder). Is there a way to finetune alsamixer? |
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| 21:38.25 | Wubix | hi guys. what is the minimum requirement for RAM on Debian 7.2 and above, please? |
| 21:38.45 | daemonkeeper | That really depends what you try to do. |
| 21:38.55 | tremon | the installer requires 128MB, debian itself can run with less |
| 21:39.25 | Wubix | ah, hmmm. 128MB is more than i expected |
| 21:39.39 | Wubix | but i could debootstrap maybe |
| 21:39.54 | daemonkeeper | What's your constraint? |
| 21:40.25 | Wubix | i want to test a few things with various irc bots and wanted to dedicate a virtual machine to each of those |
| 21:40.57 | tremon | so, install once vm with 128MB, reduce its memory footprint and clone the vm? |
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| 21:41.15 | Wubix | cool, thats an idea. thanks |
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| 21:41.35 | tremon | running separate VMs for irc bots seems a tad overkill to me though |
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| 21:42.22 | hyppias | what is a good mini-itx board to use debian on, that is to say: have HW driver software for it for Linux, instead of Win? |
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| 21:42.57 | hyppias | have a ASUS e35M1-i deluxe.... |
| 21:43.16 | jhutchins | hyppias: Does that work well? |
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| 21:43.31 | jhutchins | hyppias: I have used Asus and Megabyte and been happy with them. |
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| 21:43.53 | hyppias | well.... the BT keyboard (MS 6000) has hickups....repeating keystrokes ad lib |
| 21:44.19 | jhutchins | hyppias: Ontel as well. |
| 21:44.26 | jhutchins | Intel. |
| 21:44.40 | hyppias | INtel boars do that as well? |
| 21:44.43 | jhutchins | hyppias: That's probably the keyboard. |
| 21:44.44 | hyppias | d |
| 21:44.49 | tremon | that's not a driver issue per se. bluetooth is very flaky on linux, ime |
| 21:45.27 | hyppias | Keyboards works on Win7... |
| 21:45.29 | tremon | then again, I don't have ms windows to compare it with here. Could be equally flaky there |
| 21:45.31 | jhutchins | I had a wireless with it's own receiver module, the mouse ate batteries and the kyboard output was flakey. I swapped it for a Logitech that works fine. |
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| 21:46.12 | jhutchins | I think the flakey one was an Inland. |
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| 21:47.22 | hyppias | i'm totally in love with the MS BT mobile 6000 keyboard. Hate to leave it behind when switching to Linux |
| 21:50.06 | hyppias | just thinking: would there be a small USB device that I can plug into the PC that receives the BT keyboard signals, instead of the PC itself? SO as to fool the ASUS keyboard into thinking there is a wired keyboard connected ? |
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| 21:52.22 | dragonfly | hyppias, try a usb bluetooth adapter (never tried it, just a thought) |
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| 21:55.38 | dragonfly | hyppias: something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833139027 or this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320057 |
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| 21:57.08 | hyppias | what is a well-supported BT adapter for Wheezy ? |
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| 22:04.54 | nmpro | I am trying to delete a folder that contains hundreds of thousands of files and subfolders.. is there any way quicker to do so other than rm * -Rf ? So far I've been waiting 15 minutes for the rm command to complete.. any suggestions? |
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| 22:07.34 | joe4 | hi |
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| 22:11.04 | nmpro | I am trying to delete a folder that contains hundreds of thousands of files and subfolders.. is there any way quicker to do so other than rm * -Rf ? So far I've been waiting 15 minutes for the rm command to complete.. any suggestions? |
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| 22:12.02 | wsky | nmpro: not really, i'd say, no |
| 22:12.40 | nmpro | :( |
| 22:12.42 | nmpro | thanks |
| 22:12.47 | wsky | yw |
| 22:13.35 | tremon | nmpro: the only faster way is mkfs. Hard to limit that to just one directory though |
| 22:14.45 | phy1729 | I just installed wakeonlan but am getting the error send : Operation not permitted at /usr/bin/wakeonlan line 126. whenever I try to use the command wakeonlan. Same error with sudo. Any ideas what's wrong? |
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| 22:15.22 | tremon | are you trying to use wakeonlan over a wlan link? |
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| 22:15.31 | phy1729 | no |
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| 22:17.11 | tremon | hmm, then I'm out. Only thing I could think of was that you were using a link type that didn't allow crafted packets |
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| 22:18.31 | tremon | are you specifying an ethernet link to send on? I haven't used it in years, but I remember the script I used then did weird things like defaulting to loopback |
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| 22:19.41 | phy1729 | no and I don't see how to specify an if in the man page |
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| 22:23.36 | joe4 | how system detects and put up interfaces without entry in the interfaces(file) |
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| 22:24.53 | jhutchins | joe4: Network Manager. |
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| 22:26.50 | joe4 | jhutchins:thx |
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| 22:29.48 | phy1729 | tremon: :/ I forgot to add a firewall rule to allow the packet |
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| 22:33.14 | tremon | ah, that would do it. Not many people have something else than -P ACCEPT on the output chain though, didn't think of that |
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| 22:35.22 | phy1729 | tremon: yeah I'm one of those default deny in and out nuts |
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| 22:49.04 | joe4 | s.i.n |
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| 22:54.01 | wolfspy | n.i.s |
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| 22:55.55 | william1 | Is there a native bitcoin package? |
| 22:56.08 | william1 | headless |
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| 23:02.02 | wolfspy | https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin |
| 23:02.17 | wolfspy | william1, ./bitcoind |
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| 23:04.09 | william1 | wolfspy: had to download it from their github working on it now. Was hoping Debian had a package. |
| 23:04.43 | wolfspy | oh, I dont actually use bitcoin so I woulden't know |
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| 23:04.46 | wolfspy | but that should fork |
| 23:04.48 | wolfspy | work |
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| 23:07.26 | william1 | Thought I'd try it out with some spare computing power:) |
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| 23:08.06 | william1 | wolfspy: I checked a few months ago and bitcoins were $175 now they are $1100... |
| 23:08.49 | Dagger2 | don't expect to get anything useful with a CPU miner |
| 23:09.24 | wolfspy | william1, I wish I invested in them, I heard about them when they were less then a buck... |
| 23:09.28 | william1 | As I understand it I can join a pool and even if I make $10 a month, I don't pay extra electricity... |
| 23:09.34 | Dagger2 | or anything at all, really; the last time I looked at mining pool protocols, a CPU miner was plain too slow to ever return any results |
| 23:09.38 | wolfspy | william1, I would try litecoin with cpu mining |
| 23:09.55 | Dagger2 | and that was a year or two ago, the difficulty is /significantly/ higher now |
| 23:10.01 | william1 | I have an 8 core opteron server that I put in a datacenter and pay a flat $79 / month for. |
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| 23:10.15 | wolfspy | william1, #litecoin |
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| 23:10.24 | wolfspy | william1, its designed to be mined by cpu |
| 23:10.33 | wsky | btw |
| 23:10.47 | wsky | i still do not know what coin mining is about |
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| 23:10.55 | wsky | what the hell does it compute |
| 23:11.04 | william1 | an 8 GB file |
| 23:11.18 | wsky | but where is a point in it |
| 23:11.19 | abrotman | how about doing something useful .. SETI@Home? |
| 23:11.19 | william1 | It downloads this file and starts doing hashes against it. |
| 23:11.33 | william1 | wsky I don't know exactly it is all timey wimey:) |
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| 23:12.28 | wsky | is it the secret of life encrypted in the file |
| 23:12.29 | wsky | ? |
| 23:12.36 | Dagger2 | wsky: you take a list of transactions and a bit of random data, and try to fiddle the random data until you get a hash that begins with a big enough run of 0s, and that (roughly) is a generated block |
| 23:12.58 | wsky | but |
| 23:13.02 | wsky | what's the point of that |
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| 23:13.39 | dragonfly | wsky: for most people, ultimately the goal is to make money :) |
| 23:13.55 | wsky | yes but what's the point of the computations |
| 23:14.03 | Dagger2 | wsky: the point of bitcoin is a payment network. the block chain contains the list of transactions that have occured on the network |
| 23:14.29 | william1 | also there is real value in it. You do work to make money. The mining costs you money in electricity... |
| 23:14.57 | Dagger2 | wsky: it's deliberately hard to calculate to prevent any one person from just inventing arbitrary blocks |
| 23:15.00 | wsky | save a tree, burn a book |
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| 23:15.33 | wsky | anyways, i always thought it's more about a distributed bruteforcing network |
| 23:15.36 | dondelelcaro | bitcoin et al. isn't on topic here |
| 23:15.44 | Dagger2 | dragonfly: eh... the point of bitcoin is to *transfer* money, not to *earn* it |
| 23:15.59 | wsky | it would make much more sense then |
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| 23:17.13 | william1 | I wouldn't trust buying and selling them. Too volatile. Mining seems safe... |
| 23:18.10 | wsky | no one cares what is it for as long as it's profitable |
| 23:18.34 | william1 | wsky: why do people buy gold? |
| 23:18.41 | dondelelcaro | wsky, william1, Dagger2: please take this conversation elsewhere. |
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| 23:18.55 | dondelelcaro | (#debian-offtopic for example, is a perfectly good place for it) |
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| 23:36.11 | bbtech | So, I'm changing my default editor with: export EDITOR='subl -w'. This works great until I ssh into the box in which case I get "cannot open display". How can I check if there is a display available? |
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| 23:44.03 | dondelelcaro | bbtech: the general thing I do is I have a custom shell script to call my editor |
| 23:44.12 | dondelelcaro | bbtech: then you can just test to see if DISPLAY is set |
| 23:44.37 | dondelelcaro | bbtech: http://git.donarmstrong.com/?p=bin.git;a=blob_plain;f=sane_editor;hb=HEAD for example. |
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| 23:50.14 | bbtech | dondelelcaro, thanks I didn' |
| 23:50.29 | bbtech | t realize it was as easy as checking $DISPLAY |
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| 23:55.44 | vuohi15v | BURN ALL JEWS IN OVEN |
| 23:55.46 | dondelelcaro | bbtech: pretty much; you can do more complicated things if you absolutely have to, but generally speaking, DISPLAY shouldn't be set if you can't talk to an X server |
| 23:55.47 | vuohi15v | SIEG HEIL |
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