| 00:00.03 | tp43_ | when you run a progam is root or if it is run from /etc/init.d/ it is pretty much same thing, except you don't have start/stop |
| 00:00.44 | pixi | peterrooney MrMonkey31 ? |
| 00:01.48 | MrMonkey31 | pixi: I've never done it that way, but I guess it can be done. #grub is a helpful channel to ask this; http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installation.html#Installation is a useful page to read |
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| 00:02.18 | peterrooney | pixi: how did you install debian? |
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| 00:02.28 | pixi | with usb |
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| 00:02.41 | Lady_Aleena | Can anyone get http://dl.hexchat.net/hexchat/debian/ to load? |
| 00:02.46 | pixi | so please again explain in detail what I need to do? please |
| 00:02.48 | pixi | :S |
| 00:02.48 | Lady_Aleena | All I am getting is a blank screen. |
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| 00:03.08 | pixi | this is very important for me |
| 00:03.14 | pixi | I have work to do :( |
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| 00:03.25 | pixi | thanks in advance |
| 00:03.45 | MrMonkey31 | pixi: it sounds like you better begin then... |
| 00:03.47 | peterrooney | !fixmbr |
| 00:03.47 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
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| 00:04.12 | themill | Lady_Aleena: that page is a javascript riddled mess that konqueror doesn't like. Why are you not installing xchat and iceweasel with apt-get again? |
| 00:04.28 | pixi | oh man ^^ |
| 00:04.44 | pixi | hm |
| 00:04.48 | Lady_Aleena | themill: Where is apt-get? |
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| 00:04.58 | pixi | thank you MrMonkey31 :) |
| 00:05.10 | pixi | this will work? ^^ |
| 00:05.28 | peterrooney | pixi: now you know why you always install microsoft products first, and you'll never forget to. |
| 00:05.37 | pixi | its very nice except I don't know where is my usb my eyes ate falling |
| 00:05.39 | pixi | early in the morning i will do that tanks man MrMonkey31 |
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| 00:05.54 | pixi | peterrooney yeah ok :) |
| 00:05.57 | MrMonkey31 | gives pixi thumbs up |
| 00:06.11 | pixi | thank you peterrooney MrMonkey31 a lot |
| 00:06.13 | Lady_Aleena | I don't know what apt-get is but I will keep looking. |
| 00:07.12 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: what are you using to install software now ? |
| 00:07.17 | peterrooney | pixi: typically, your root filesystem (/dev/whatever) will be /dev/sda1 - but I was not keeping notes when you did your install. Once you can mount filesystems, fdisk -l /dev/sda should give you the needed information |
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| 00:10.08 | Lady_Aleena | BRB... |
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| 00:11.11 | MrMonkey31 | could someone plz explain what it means when packages conflict with /themselves/? does someone have an active vendetta against my sanity or what? |
| 00:11.35 | abrotman | what? |
| 00:11.38 | aypea[0] | making a package here and need it to clean up after mistakes made in past packages. this includes moving some config files out of the way for symlinks to be installed. preinst.sh be a good thing to use here? |
| 00:11.56 | abrotman | aypea[0]: better than postinst, right ? |
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| 00:13.16 | aypea[0] | abrotman: it's looking that way :) just wanted to get some confirmation that it's the appropriate way to go. |
| 00:13.30 | Lady-Aleena | Looks like iceweasel is already on my computer, however not attached to the web browser button. |
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| 00:15.43 | Lady-Aleena | I'm going to kick back, relax a moment, then figure out the hexchat vs xchat thing. |
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| 00:16.29 | brontosaurusrex | what cli audio players can simply play a single file with dB=var correction? |
| 00:16.31 | abrotman | just install xchat |
| 00:17.12 | abrotman | Lady-Aleena: install xchat, try it before you spend days trying to install something you don't need .. be smart about this |
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| 00:19.46 | elkingrey | I'm interested in installing splashimage for debian, but there are two options in the repo, grub and grub2. How do I know which one to install? |
| 00:20.02 | Lady-Aleena | I was using XChat on Windows XP, and it died on me, so I switched to HexChat. I became comfy with HexChat. If I read right, XChat will NOT die on me on Debian using KDE? |
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| 00:20.17 | abrotman | Try it and see |
| 00:22.49 | Lady_Aleena | abrotman: I'm relaxing and finding my zen. I am breaking down and need to stop. |
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| 00:23.41 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:24.12 | tp43_ | Lady_Aleena, lol, yes meditation is important |
| 00:24.22 | tp43_ | abrotman, lol |
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| 00:25.34 | tp43_ | abrotman, html5 vids give me confetti on the video, I am using flash non-free |
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| 00:25.52 | tp43_ | hardware eh, need a better vid card probably |
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| 00:26.41 | abrotman | how is html5 related to flash? |
| 00:26.50 | abrotman | which DE are you using? |
| 00:26.57 | tp43_ | abrotman, yeah true, its isn't a flash problem |
| 00:27.01 | Lady_Aleena | Me? |
| 00:27.02 | tp43_ | gnome3 |
| 00:27.09 | Lady_Aleena | Oh... |
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| 00:27.39 | abrotman | tp43_: try epiphany, it won't load the flash plugin, and it does html5 |
| 00:27.58 | tp43_ | abrotman, ok, lets see, thx |
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| 00:30.05 | tp43_ | abrotman, yep, it doesn't happen in firefox, just in chromium |
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| 00:32.31 | Lady_Aleena | Should I take all of my KDE set issues to #kde since it really isn't a Debian issue? |
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| 00:35.39 | MrMonkey31 | Lady_Aleena: I'd suggest you ease into it. sometimes an "issue" transforms into a feature! :> anyway that is how I did it myself |
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| 00:37.35 | Lady_Aleena | MrMonkey31: I would like to get up and running as soon as possible. I still have to figure out how I am going to get my email, how I am going to upload files to my web server, how to set up the web server on my computer, and lots and lots more. |
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| 00:38.20 | Lady_Aleena | However, I would like to get an IRC client up and running and get out of the browser. |
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| 00:39.04 | Lady_Aleena | So if XChat is nice to people who use Linux and won't die, I will go with it instead of HexChat. |
| 00:39.39 | rryoumaa | if you already use emacs, you can do irc there too |
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| 00:40.26 | Lady_Aleena | rryoumaa: I've seen the word emacs used, I just don't know what it is. |
| 00:40.40 | dondelelcaro | !emacs |
| 00:40.40 | dpkg | Emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs http://emacswiki.org/ #emacs on irc.freenode.net. See also <emacs docs>. |
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| 00:41.19 | dondelelcaro | (in short, it's an editor.) |
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| 00:42.00 | Lady_Aleena | I've been looking around, and haven't found anything in the menus called apt-get yet. |
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| 00:43.50 | dondelelcaro | Lady_Aleena: you use apt-get from the command line in a shell. there are GUI alternatives, like synaptics or similar... but someone else here might know more about them |
| 00:44.30 | abrotman | software-center might be better suited for Lady_Aleena |
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| 00:45.46 | Lady_Aleena | I have to learn the command line sometime. So, go with XChat, hope the HexChat configuration files from Windows XP work with it, and go from there. |
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| 00:46.23 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: heh; I've never heard of that... goes to show how much I keep up with what's going on in the GUI world |
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| 00:48.08 | Lady_Aleena | I don't have a scroll back to the command to get XChat, so "apt-get XChat"? |
| 00:48.31 | rryoumaa | Lady_Aleena: aptitude install xchat might work |
| 00:48.45 | Lady_Aleena | And that will install it at the root? |
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| 00:49.52 | rryoumaa | no, it installs it to the usual places |
| 00:49.56 | rryoumaa | and you can run it with xchat |
| 00:50.00 | rryoumaa | presumably (never tried it) |
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| 00:50.23 | rryoumaa | Lady_Aleena: the root is /, and it only contains a few things |
| 00:51.25 | Lady_Aleena | "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)" "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (var/lib/dkpg), are you root?" |
| 00:51.34 | mo1991 | apt-get install xchat - while logged in as root will do it Lady_Aleena |
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| 00:51.41 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: are you root? |
| 00:51.57 | mo1991 | change to root from command prompt "su root" |
| 00:52.01 | mo1991 | enter password |
| 00:52.06 | mo1991 | then apt-get install xchat |
| 00:52.49 | mo1991 | Lady_allena - first close all other package managers - ie synaptic , software center, etc |
| 00:52.57 | mo1991 | then change to root "su root" |
| 00:53.00 | mo1991 | then apt-get install xhcat |
| 00:53.02 | mo1991 | xchat |
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| 00:53.37 | Lady_Aleena | I don't have any package managers open as far as I know. All I have open right now is iceweasel and Konsole. |
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| 00:54.13 | wols | Lady_Aleena: is your prompt a # or a $? |
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| 00:54.57 | Lady_Aleena | Right now it is #, but before it was $. |
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| 00:56.59 | Lady_Aleena | So "su <my account>" will get me out of root? |
| 00:58.11 | Lady_Aleena | starts looking for the "Application data" equivalent on Debian. |
| 00:58.15 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: all you need is: su - <enter> to become root |
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| 01:00.59 | wols | Lady_Aleena: "exit" will get you out of it |
| 01:01.08 | mo1991 | Lady - exit will also get u back to user |
| 01:01.31 | Lady_Aleena | Right now I am looking for the directory with XChat's conf files. |
| 01:01.37 | mo1991 | but yes you can su to any user - su root makes you the root user |
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| 01:02.14 | mo1991 | normally stuff install to /usr/bin - with configs going to .xchat or similar |
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| 01:02.35 | mo1991 | but you dont' need to worry about that - just run xchat from your menu |
| 01:02.42 | mo1991 | there should now be an icon |
| 01:02.48 | mo1991 | if you've installed it |
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| 01:03.22 | Lady_Aleena | I don't see a directory for it in user/bin |
| 01:03.25 | mo1991 | and when I say configs going to .xchat i mean the .xchat folder in your /home/user/ directory |
| 01:03.30 | Lady_Aleena | usr/bin sorry. |
| 01:04.21 | Lady_Aleena | mo1991, there is nothing in /home/<user>/ |
| 01:04.29 | mo1991 | the directory where debian installs most things is /usr/bin - but that is just where the executable installs - you don't really ever need to look at it |
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| 01:04.53 | mo1991 | /home/user means /home/your user name |
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| 01:05.37 | mo1991 | all config files will be there, although they are usually hidden with a period in front of them so you need to view hidden files with your file manager |
| 01:05.43 | mo1991 | aka .xchat |
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| 01:06.14 | mo1991 | no real reason to look at config files for xchat tho - you can do it with the gui in xchat to change settings |
| 01:07.21 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: don't feel bad, it's an ubuntu-ism |
| 01:08.26 | dizzylizzy | Lady_Aleena, typing "cd ~/.xchat" should get you there |
| 01:09.15 | Lady_Aleena | No such file or directory |
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| 01:10.01 | mo1991 | have you run xchat yet from command or from menu? it will only exist once you've already run xchat |
| 01:10.16 | mo1991 | type xchat at command promt as normal user or run from your menu |
| 01:10.37 | ctmjr | isn't it .xchat2 now day.s |
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| 01:11.07 | mo1991 | ctmjr your right |
| 01:11.08 | Lady_Aleena | Closing the tab in the browser. |
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| 01:11.56 | mo1991 | Lady_aleena are you running debian? |
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| 01:16.46 | mo1991 | abrotman - "software center might be better suited for ---" :) |
| 01:16.52 | Lady_Aleena | So, there is no Debian version of Windows "APPDATA"? |
| 01:17.29 | mo1991 | ??? Appdata? |
| 01:17.39 | mouz\lex | bit of a strange question here, but what would I need to install to get 'miniclip' games running for my gf? I thought maybe default-jre would do it? |
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| 01:18.15 | mo1991 | Lady_Aleena - what are you trying to do? |
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| 01:19.58 | Lady_Aleena | I'm looking for XChat's configuration files. |
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| 01:20.12 | Lady_Aleena | I want to paste mine on top of them so XChat is the way I want it. |
| 01:20.24 | mo1991 | cd /home/your user name/.xchat2 |
| 01:20.42 | mo1991 | replace "your user name" with your username? |
| 01:20.55 | mo1991 | then ls |
| 01:21.00 | mo1991 | to see the files there |
| 01:21.21 | Lady_Aleena | They are finally there. |
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| 01:22.03 | mo1991 | not sure what your doing in the .xchat2 files tho, most settings can be set within the xchat program itself in the settings dropdown. |
| 01:22.34 | Lady_Aleena | brb |
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| 01:29.03 | abrotman | should just drive to MD and get the box setup |
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| 01:37.03 | avi33t | I have Debian.iso of size 2GB on chroot in android. Is it possible to increase this image size by any means. Plz tell me how? |
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| 01:38.52 | avi33t | [07:07] (avi33t) I have Debian.iso of size 2GB on chroot in android. Is it possible to increase this image size by any means. Plz tell me how? |
| 01:39.21 | Lady_Aleena | sighs, no sound. |
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| 01:44.13 | rryoumaa | my wheezy has sound issues, and the only thing that fixes them afaik is to run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart /as the regular user/ which is weird |
| 01:44.43 | mo1991 | Lady_Aleena install pauvcontrol - lets you see the audio streams |
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| 01:45.18 | mo1991 | particularly useful if you have more than one soundcard |
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| 01:48.06 | ZIPY | is it possible to put some locations of multiple hdds into one? like a lvm of hdds but not hdds, folders |
| 01:48.23 | abrotman | what? |
| 01:48.56 | Lady_Aleena | So, I need to restart my computer to get sounds to work? |
| 01:49.00 | reisio | ZIPY: yup |
| 01:49.50 | ZIPY | reisio: how? :D |
| 01:50.11 | reisio | ZIPY: mount the FSes of the partitions of the HDDs to mount points in the same directory |
| 01:50.25 | reisio | be the most straightforward way |
| 01:51.01 | ZIPY | so i would have a folder for every FS? |
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| 01:51.19 | reisio | that'd be one simple way, yarp |
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| 01:52.01 | ectospasm | a filesystem can be mounted anywhere in the root tree, or any subdirectory thereof |
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| 01:52.15 | ZIPY | hm well that wont help me |
| 01:52.16 | Lady_Aleena | I'm stuck. The System Settings -> Hardware -> Multimedia is taking forever to load. |
| 01:52.37 | ZIPY | i want to copy my 1tb hdd but i dont have so much space on a single hdd left |
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| 01:53.15 | ZIPY | i need a solution where the copy splits the data itself when hdd 1 is full etc |
| 01:53.16 | Lady_Aleena | goes to make dinner, will see if Mulitmedia is up when she gets back. |
| 01:53.26 | ectospasm | ZIPY: you could make the remaining slices of partitions LVM physical volumes, add them to a vg, and create one monolithic lv from that |
| 01:53.29 | ZIPY | and continues in next hdd |
| 01:53.44 | reisio | ZIPY: well you didn't say that, did you :p |
| 01:53.53 | reisio | look into unionfs or any of the alternatives |
| 01:54.02 | reisio | aufs, etc. |
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| 01:54.29 | ZIPY | ectospasm: didnt know that is possible but that would be a solution if that works |
| 01:54.56 | ZIPY | a lot of work tho ^^ |
| 01:55.03 | reisio | pretty sure aufs/unionfs would be easier |
| 01:55.09 | ZIPY | ye |
| 01:55.18 | reisio | but what would be even simpler is to go buy another hard disk |
| 01:55.21 | ZIPY | ill give it a try thank you |
| 01:55.25 | reisio | you're going to need more space eventually anyways |
| 01:55.34 | ZIPY | ye :D |
| 01:55.42 | reisio | $40/TB, last I checked |
| 01:55.46 | ectospasm | I have no familiarity with aufs or unionfs, but IIRC unionfs would only have one filesystem in the union accessible at any given time, which doesn't sound like what ZIPY wants |
| 01:55.49 | ZIPY | yes i checked tod ay too |
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| 01:56.01 | reisio | at 3TB, anyways |
| 01:56.18 | ZIPY | i need a nas :D |
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| 01:56.52 | ZIPY | with full disk encryption :D |
| 01:57.29 | reisio | these days nas means proprietary awful OS you don't need... with storage, attached by network |
| 01:57.48 | reisio | wouldn't recommend it, unless somehow you get the storage for cheaper by buying the awful OS |
| 01:58.10 | ZIPY | hmm so id better set up one myself? |
| 01:58.28 | ectospasm | My QNAP runs a Linux kernel... it's WebUI sucks, and though I hate BusyBox as a general rule, it's serviceable here |
| 01:58.32 | ZIPY | the problem is it shouldnt use to much enery |
| 01:58.41 | reisio | I usually aim for more than "serviceable" :p |
| 01:58.43 | reisio | but that's just me |
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| 01:59.18 | ectospasm | I had never set up a RAID device before, so this was a gentle intro into getting it working. |
| 01:59.22 | ZIPY | well right now everything is on my pi |
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| 01:59.33 | ZIPY | but it is to slow... |
| 01:59.57 | reisio | slow? |
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| 02:00.17 | ZIPY | read/write is to slow i think |
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| 02:00.33 | ectospasm | depends on what you're using it for |
| 02:00.34 | reisio | probably the USB |
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| 02:00.51 | ectospasm | heh, and the USB powers the Fast Ethernet port on it (-; |
| 02:01.14 | ectospasm | which is why Gigabit Ethernet ports aren't on the RPi just yet |
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| 02:01.17 | reisio | https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi#Should_I_buy_a_Rasberry_Pi.3F |
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| 02:01.46 | ectospasm | that being said, I don't run Debian on my RPi (-; |
| 02:02.12 | ZIPY | what do u run on ur pi |
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| 02:02.17 | ZIPY | arch? |
| 02:02.18 | reisio | I do (well, raspbian), but only for the moment :) |
| 02:02.27 | ectospasm | OpenELEC |
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| 02:02.31 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 02:02.31 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 02:02.54 | ZIPY | raspbian does not belong to debian? :D |
| 02:03.08 | ectospasm | !based on debia |
| 02:03.12 | ectospasm | !based on debian |
| 02:03.12 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 02:03.44 | ZIPY | wait, is it based on debian, i thought it is just ported to arm |
| 02:03.54 | ZIPY | ubuntu is based on debian but raspbian? |
| 02:04.04 | Tramp | !raspbian |
| 02:04.04 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 02:04.20 | ZIPY | ok ok i belive u |
| 02:04.21 | ectospasm | Raspbian contains code which does not meet the DFSG |
| 02:04.23 | ectospasm | !dfsg |
| 02:04.24 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
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| 02:05.18 | ectospasm | or maybe it's just that the Debian dev team decided against making a kernel available for the RPi's ARM variant |
| 02:05.21 | reisio | it's Debian but not proper Debian |
| 02:05.33 | reisio | hence the different name :p |
| 02:05.54 | ZIPY | well im running to many things on it... maybe thats why its slow xd |
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| 02:06.01 | ZIPY | i might get another one :D |
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| 02:06.12 | reisio | what're you running? |
| 02:06.19 | ZIPY | raspbian |
| 02:06.20 | asterismo | hi people, any ideas on how to compile ffmpeg with x264 and libfaac in Debian 7 wheezy? i saw some posts but they need backport repos enabled. |
| 02:06.23 | reisio | heh |
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| 02:06.38 | ectospasm | asterismo: are you against backports? |
| 02:06.40 | Lady_Aleena | I'll be back later, my eyes have gone buggy on me (I have a streak of multicolored light distorting my vision which makes it hard to look at monitors.) |
| 02:06.40 | asterismo | need help on compiling ffmpeg with non free options |
| 02:06.46 | reisio | https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/UbuntuCompilationGuide |
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| 02:07.10 | asterismo | ectospasm, enabling backports broke my system today |
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| 02:07.24 | ectospasm | asterismo: did you try to install all the backports today? |
| 02:07.24 | reisio | non-DFSG free maybe |
| 02:07.46 | ZIPY | im runnin xmbc, nginx php sqlite, quasselcore, owncloud :D |
| 02:07.52 | asterismo | ectospasm, i mean, there should be a natural way to have a fully functional ffmpeg without backports... right? |
| 02:08.00 | asterismo | maybe i'm wrong |
| 02:08.00 | ectospasm | asterismo: no |
| 02:08.04 | ZIPY | little to much for the poor pi i guess |
| 02:08.10 | ectospasm | asterismo: I was doing to suggest deb-multimedia |
| 02:08.15 | ectospasm | !dmm |
| 02:08.16 | dpkg | deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 02:08.23 | ZIPY | ok btt, i try this unionfs |
| 02:08.31 | asterismo | yes, deb-multimedia |
| 02:08.36 | reisio | ZIPY: weird |
| 02:08.48 | ZIPY | what is weird? |
| 02:09.27 | asterismo | is there anyway to compile ffmpeg without special repos? just compiling it? |
| 02:09.34 | reisio | asterismo: yup |
| 02:09.38 | reisio | download the source, compile it |
| 02:10.00 | asterismo | but the posts i see they enable deb-multimedia repos and install a lot of dependencies |
| 02:10.06 | ctmjr | asterismo:ask in #ffmpeg |
| 02:10.14 | asterismo | reisio, do you know any howto on that? |
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| 02:10.19 | asterismo | oh, ok |
| 02:10.20 | asterismo | thanks |
| 02:10.23 | ZIPY | reisio: not when it is connected to ur tv |
| 02:10.28 | reisio | nope, sorry, I run emerge ffmpeg :) |
| 02:10.31 | ZIPY | *your |
| 02:10.36 | reisio | ZIPY: my tv has a usb port |
| 02:10.46 | reisio | most new tvs have |
| 02:10.50 | ZIPY | mine too |
| 02:11.05 | reisio | not that a standalone computer wouldn't be superior in some ways |
| 02:11.13 | ZIPY | but it doesnt play all mkvs.. for example |
| 02:11.26 | reisio | :) |
| 02:11.35 | ZIPY | also i have no bookmarks etc, seen notseen |
| 02:11.46 | ZIPY | and all the nice apps :D |
| 02:11.50 | ZIPY | addons |
| 02:12.12 | ZIPY | mtv addon top100 :D |
| 02:12.17 | ectospasm | OpenELEC plays every MKV I throw at it |
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| 02:12.41 | ZIPY | yes my raspbian too but not my tv(usb) |
| 02:12.50 | zykotick9 | notes MKV is a container... many codecs can be inside them... |
| 02:12.56 | ZIPY | yep |
| 02:12.58 | kieppie | hi |
| 02:13.07 | kieppie | I'm trying to get to grips with LXC: https://wiki.debian.org/LXC |
| 02:13.14 | ectospasm | I just connect my RPi via HDMI to my teevee. Done. |
| 02:13.33 | kieppie | there seems to be quite a bit fubar with that post |
| 02:13.34 | ZIPY | ectospasm: same |
| 02:13.56 | ZIPY | ectospasm: -03:09:28- [reisio] most people overlook that mounting a network share is the same as having an entire media centre like xbmc |
| 02:14.02 | ZIPY | i was just talking about that :D |
| 02:14.15 | kieppie | `apt-get install libvirt-bin` wants to install a bunch of stuff I would best avoid on a server - such as x11 |
| 02:14.32 | wols | kieppie: disable recommends |
| 02:14.46 | kieppie | wols: thank you |
| 02:15.47 | ectospasm | ZIPY: XBMC has some nice features that plain network share will not. Media (not filesystem) metadata, viewing history, etc.... |
| 02:16.15 | ectospasm | now, those are features of the frontend, which XBMC is. |
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| 02:17.05 | ZIPY | yes that is what i said ^^ |
| 02:17.46 | kieppie | wols: know much about LXC? |
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| 02:22.03 | ZIPY | "If you really need the hardware-hacking aspect" what is meant by hardware-hacking |
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| 02:35.16 | reisio | ZIPY: the rpi has ports most people won't use |
| 02:35.20 | reisio | debugging and expansion things |
| 02:35.24 | reisio | for learning about electronics |
| 02:35.27 | reisio | not for ordinary computing |
| 02:35.40 | reisio | that is after all its intended purpose |
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| 02:38.12 | heedly | hello. I just installed debian. And I can't use X-windows unless I restart my computer. |
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| 02:39.04 | zinx | heedly: why not? |
| 02:39.25 | heedly | that's what I'm wondering. |
| 02:39.52 | heedly | I just get a blank screen after selected my kernel in grub |
| 02:40.01 | heedly | and nothing until I restartt. |
| 02:40.06 | abrotman | !enter |
| 02:40.06 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 02:40.18 | reisio | heedly: what if you right click with your mouse, or press 'alt'? |
| 02:40.27 | bynw | is mesg set to n by default in debian? i cant send a new user a write message |
| 02:40.33 | reisio | heedly: what if you CTRL+ALT+F2 and sudo service gdm restart instead? |
| 02:40.38 | zinx | heedly: did you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log before restarting? you can switch to a text login with alt-f1 or ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 02:41.05 | heedly | reisio: nothing. |
| 02:41.31 | heedly | reisio, zinx: I'll try that next time I reboot. |
| 02:41.37 | zinx | (when i say or, i mean try both, since one combination won't work depending on what's running) |
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| 02:42.17 | ZIPY | hmm im trying get unionfs running, but 1 folder wont be added: mhddfs: can not stat '/media/server/complete/unionfs': Permission denied |
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| 02:42.25 | ZIPY | it is an nfs |
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| 02:51.07 | mdpatrick | Whats the best way to upgrade a lenny debian distribution to something modern? If I even run `apt-get update` right now I get a ton of 404s |
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| 02:52.29 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mdpatrick about archive |
| 02:52.42 | aypea[0] | add archive.debian.org to your sources.list, do a final upgrade. read the docs for lenny->squeeze then squeeze->wheezy docs for changes. then upgrade from lenny to squeeze to wheezy - don't skip a distro. |
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| 02:54.28 | bynw | is mesg set to n by default in debian? i cant send a new user a write message |
| 02:55.27 | abrotman | that's the sane default |
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| 02:56.17 | abrotman | bynw: what error are you getting? |
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| 02:57.27 | bynw | write: chibsten has messages disabled on tty9 |
| 02:57.32 | heedly | So I tried pressing Ctrl+Alt+F2 and it doesn't do anything. |
| 02:57.36 | abrotman | so maybe they disabled it? |
| 02:57.45 | abrotman | bynw: what is your setting ? |
| 02:57.49 | heedly | the only thing that gets me into X, is restarting |
| 02:58.06 | bynw | they dont know anything about the command line in linux, i was gonna show them write to communicate with it |
| 02:58.19 | bynw | my setting is mesg y |
| 02:58.37 | abrotman | bynw: what if you use wall? |
| 02:59.02 | abrotman | (as root I mean) |
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| 03:00.26 | kieppie | anyone familiar with XC online atm? |
| 03:00.30 | kieppie | *LXC |
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| 03:01.05 | reisio | #lxcontainers |
| 03:01.06 | Sidicas | Is there any automated way to discover the best Debian secondary mirror I should be using? Jiust moved to Kansas City. |
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| 03:01.18 | Sidicas | Finding the nearest Debian mirror? |
| 03:01.20 | reisio | Sidicas: netselect? |
| 03:01.47 | bynw | wall works fine as root, as it should even if a user has mesg set to n |
| 03:01.56 | bynw | no error messages |
| 03:02.13 | Sidicas | netselect looks like it will do the trick, thanks |
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| 03:07.58 | bynw | i think i found where it's set globably at ... in /etc/login.defs |
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| 03:08.48 | ectospasm | Sidicas: I use http.debian.net |
| 03:09.07 | ectospasm | supposedly picks a local mirror automagically |
| 03:09.10 | kieppie | I'm unamble to start an LXC instance. getting this: http://pastebin.com/u7LKACnp |
| 03:09.30 | ectospasm | I did a wheezy->sid upgrade the other day, http.debian.net went much faster than ftp.us... |
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| 03:10.38 | ectospasm | Sidicas: I always found netselect to be more trouble than it was worth, but then again I haven't used it in some time. |
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| 03:15.34 | Mobius1020 | Can someone help me? I'm mounting an ext4 data partition in /media/Data automatically at boot. Everything mounts fine, but there is no icon on my desktop. I have removable devices checked under desktop settings. I'm running wheezy with xfce and thunar. |
| 03:15.47 | Mobius1020 | I'm stumped |
| 03:16.46 | wsky | Mobius1020: just add a shortuc to the thunar side panel |
| 03:16.57 | wsky | shortcut. |
| 03:17.18 | reisio | Mobius1020: you added it to fstab, did you? |
| 03:17.27 | Mobius1020 | yeah |
| 03:17.30 | reisio | why'd you do that |
| 03:18.03 | pero | is it possible to netinst testing with nonfree wifi? |
| 03:18.29 | Mobius1020 | otherwise it asks me for my password every time I want to mount it |
| 03:18.31 | reisio | could make your own image, or debootstrap or something from another |
| 03:18.37 | ChibaPet | pero: I believe you can provide the needed firmware on a USB key or something, but I've not actually tried that ever. |
| 03:19.10 | zykotick9 | !tell pero about firmware image |
| 03:19.34 | wsky | Mobius1020: you can easly add teh mount point directory to the thunar sidepanel to speed browsing up |
| 03:19.46 | zykotick9 | pero: oh testing... just install stable then transition to testing... |
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| 03:19.55 | wsky | Mobius1020: also, you can make a shortcut to the mount point on the desktop |
| 03:20.42 | pero | zykotick9: there is a testing iso within that path, and that is what i just tried with no luck |
| 03:20.50 | wsky | but i guess it's not what you wanted |
| 03:21.37 | kieppie | anyone able to help with LXC containers, please? |
| 03:21.38 | zykotick9 | pero: testing image probably isn't what you think it is... again, install stable then transition to testing... |
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| 03:23.38 | petn-randall | pero: 'testing installer' is the test version of the installer, it just happens to also install testing (... or not). |
| 03:23.59 | pero | nice |
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| 03:24.45 | petn-randall | pero: So unless you actually want to test the installer, which makes little sense at this stage, the recommended way is to install stable, then upgrade to testing. |
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| 03:25.47 | pero | so it's not possible to load the drivers as ChibaPet mentioned? |
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| 03:27.00 | ChibaPet | pero: It might require that you do it in "expert install" mode, but I'm strongly remembering an option to supply needed firmware somewhere in there. |
| 03:27.13 | ChibaPet | pero: Try it. Boot, do an expert install, and look at the options. |
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| 03:30.09 | ChibaPet | pero: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 03:30.58 | pero | so, the netinst iso that i was using (the testing one) actually had firmware-linux-nonfree_0.40_all.deb in /firmware |
| 03:32.02 | ChibaPet | pero: Well, that works out then. Odd that it had that, of coruse. |
| 03:32.26 | pero | ChibaPet: but it didn't pick up any wifi aps |
| 03:32.34 | pero | and wouldn't connect to the one i provided |
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| 03:38.44 | ChibaPet | pero: I'd recommend trying again with a Wheezy installer. It might not be different in this regard, but it's going to be less of a random shot in the dark. An actual testing installer is quite likely to be broken at random points. |
| 03:39.12 | ChibaPet | If you then want Jessie, you can update easily from there. It's the normal way to bootstrap a new system into Testing. |
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| 03:39.27 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 03:39.58 | johnfg | I guess I may not have used mplayer on wheezy to play a dvd before, and it won't play or see my dvd. |
| 03:40.23 | johnfg | How do I find out what's missing and what I need to install? |
| 03:41.13 | ChibaPet | johnfg: You generally need libdvdcss of some variety. |
| 03:41.23 | abrotman | libdvdread usually works |
| 03:42.14 | ChibaPet | abrotman: That won't help with encrypted DVDs, will it? |
| 03:42.27 | ChibaPet | johnfg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss anyway |
| 03:42.54 | abrotman | I don't have libdvdcss on this box, I can watch DVDs |
| 03:42.55 | ChibaPet | johnfg: It's relatively quick/easy/straightforward to build. |
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| 03:43.37 | ChibaPet | Hm. The package description for libdvdread4 says: "libdvdread probes for libdvdcss at runtime and if found, will use it to decryptâ–’ |
| 03:43.40 | ChibaPet | sections of the DVD as necessary." |
| 03:43.50 | abrotman | guess they weren't needed for me? :) |
| 03:44.09 | ChibaPet | Yeah, I'm just curious what the difference is between disks that need it and those that don't. |
| 03:44.15 | abrotman | I've only tried a couple .. I have a big tv to watch movies on |
| 03:44.39 | abrotman | (bigger, not big) |
| 03:45.20 | ChibaPet | I mostly watch movies on my computer. I think it's a 24" screen or somesuch. Works reasonably well for the purpose, and we don't sit too far away. But anyway... |
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| 03:46.32 | dizzylizzy | what channel can I go to for recommendations on setting up an email server? |
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| 03:46.54 | ectospasm | dizzylizzy: depends on the email server you want to use. |
| 03:47.00 | ChibaPet | dizzylizzy: Well. You can pick one and ask about it in a channel devoted to it. Debian ships exim, which you can learn about. |
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| 03:47.34 | dizzylizzy | I've heard nasty things about exim :-/ namely that it's highly configurable but you have to learn a new programming language to use it |
| 03:48.05 | ChibaPet | dizzylizzy: I like Postfix, but I suspect you'd be well-served by either. |
| 03:48.31 | necrohermit | Hi how do I test my alsa. I just dis-upgraded to jessie now my sound stopped working after a reboot even though it was working for a bit after. /etc/init.d/alsa-uitls restarts without an issue and when I go into alsamixer nothing is muted |
| 03:49.24 | ChibaPet | necrohermit: Are you using Pulse? |
| 03:50.28 | ChibaPet | necrohermit: I just ask because Pulse has gotten itself wedged on me a couple times recently, and in response to giving up on trying to correct it I've blown away ~/.pulse* and restarted it, after which it worked. I don't know what wedges it yet. |
| 03:50.42 | necrohermit | when i stop pulse it just says [info] PulseAudio not started: Configured for per-user sessions. So I don't think so. |
| 03:51.12 | ChibaPet | necrohermit: Look for a pulse process run by your user, not the system. ps ax | grep pulse |
| 03:51.15 | zykotick9 | necrohermit: ;) you are using pulse |
| 03:52.29 | ChibaPet | Alright, driving home. Good luck, all. |
| 03:52.39 | necrohermit | ChibaPet: zykotick9 thanks >< |
| 03:52.41 | necrohermit | good to go |
| 03:53.39 | johnfg | Any idea why I would get this message, out of the blue? http://dpaste.com/1494533/ |
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| 03:55.47 | dvs | johnfg: I think line 7 explains it all. |
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| 03:56.34 | abrotman | I think he's confused about the auto-removed packages |
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| 03:56.56 | johnfg | dvs: I've had wheezy installed, done numerous additions and updates, but never had anything like this. |
| 03:57.10 | johnfg | abrotman: indeed. Please alleviate my confusion. |
| 03:57.46 | johnfg | So, is it safe just to do the apt-get autoremove and should I do it? |
| 03:57.56 | abrotman | do you use any of the things it's going to remove? |
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| 03:59.59 | johnfg | abrotman: maybe only mahjongg. Why all of a sudden did it come up with this suggestion? |
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| 04:00.42 | abrotman | because you removed some metapackage that had installed them magically |
| 04:00.52 | abrotman | waves |
| 04:01.04 | dvs | o/ |
| 04:01.50 | johnfg | abrotman: I didn't remove anything,but installed some codecs, lxdvdrip and regionset. |
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| 04:18.24 | mye | for some reason in my recently upgraded wheezy system, some -dev packages are newer than their base pkgs and can't be installed bc. they depend on newer versions of their base. |
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| 04:18.45 | mye | eg. libsasl2-dev : Depends: libsasl2-modules (= 2.1.25.dfsg1-6+deb7u1) but 2.1.25.dfsg1-17 is installed |
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| 04:20.01 | mye | debian site says that the deb7u1 is the lates version, I have wheezy in my sources.list everywhere |
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| 04:29.00 | subb1 | hi Debian |
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| 04:29.25 | reisio | hi subb |
| 04:29.41 | hitest | greetings subb1 |
| 04:29.45 | themill | mye: perhaps you could pastebin the command and full output and the output of "apt-cache policy libsasl2-modules libsasl2-dev; apt-cache policy" for us |
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| 04:30.22 | subb1 | I've set export "CLASSPATH=/path/mysql-connector-java-ver-bin.jar:$CLASSPATH" in /etc/profile.d/mysql.sh. When I relogin and do echo $CLASSPATH, i'm not seeing the value. Am I doing wrong? |
| 04:30.54 | subb1 | Ref: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/connector-j-installing-classpath.html |
| 04:31.28 | subb1 | I'm trying to make the change persistent which is why i'm adding it in /etc/profile.d on my Debian Wheezy. |
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| 04:32.21 | subb1 | reisio hitest.. hi folks. |
| 04:32.48 | wolfspy | Hi |
| 04:32.51 | Lady_Aleena | Earlier I had to leave due to my vision being distorted. I would like to fix the sound issue I am having, since sitting here in silence is crazy making. So what do I need to do first? |
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| 04:33.33 | nanicoar | I only get a _ instead of a login prompt on tty 1-6. ps -e | grep getty shows 6 instances of agetty, but in inittab I have set up 5 alernatives to getty... Help? |
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| 04:35.08 | mye | themill: http://pastebin.com/V3dsMvRD |
| 04:36.45 | mye | the *** before the version of libsasl2-modules seems to have some significance |
| 04:37.07 | themill | mye: *** marks the currently installed version. Where did libsasl2-modules version 2.1.25.dfsg1-17 come from. |
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| 04:37.22 | civillian | subb1: I've just tried what you've said and it worked for me |
| 04:37.37 | civillian | I get: "CLASSPATH=/path/mysql-connector-java-ver-bin.jar:" as the value |
| 04:37.52 | GusBricker | does anyone know of a good way to mirror "live" files in a folder that change regularly? |
| 04:37.55 | themill | subb1: how are you logging in to test this? |
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| 04:38.24 | subb1 | civillian, strange... I set that in profile.d and I logout from ssh on server, i relogin but it doesn't return the value. |
| 04:38.29 | civillian | subb1: I'm running jessie though |
| 04:38.31 | mye | themill: I don't know… but I changed the server from debian official to the ftp2.de.debian.org one, also it could still be around from squeeze maybe? |
| 04:38.34 | Lady_Aleena | I just tried switching users to root to check to see if sound works there, however, I can't switch. |
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| 04:38.56 | subb1 | themill: i'm logging off from ssh server and logging in back to test it. |
| 04:39.17 | themill | mye: no, it's a package that you have grabbed from sid, either by downloading it directly from the mirror or because you used to have sid in your sources.list. |
| 04:39.20 | civillian | subb1: I was logging in locally on tty1, not via SSH |
| 04:39.39 | subb1 | civillian, oh. this is my remote server where I need to have this set. |
| 04:40.27 | subb1 | ..hmm... not sure why it shouldn't work! |
| 04:40.31 | Tramp | subb1: what is the output of "echo $0"? |
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| 04:40.57 | subb1 | bash. |
| 04:41.04 | Tramp | then it's not a login shell |
| 04:41.13 | mye | themill: yes the system started as sid I think. Why doesn't apt-get upgrade touch them? |
| 04:41.34 | Tramp | subb1: the output should be "-bash". |
| 04:42.07 | subb1 | Tramp, oh damn.. I've been always confused with login, non-login, interactive shells variants :( ... how do I go about setting it now? |
| 04:42.14 | themill | mye: it's not an upgrade |
| 04:42.34 | ctmjr | it's a fubard |
| 04:42.56 | subb1 | Tramp, /etc/bash.bashrc is my option now? |
| 04:43.06 | ctmjr | *fubard/fubar |
| 04:43.07 | civillian | subb1: try 'su - [username] -s /bin/bash' |
| 04:43.19 | Tramp | subb1: ssh is supposed to spawn a login shell, so I don't know, what you did. If nobody here knows, maybe #openssh knows, what went wrong |
| 04:43.20 | themill | mye: "aptitude install libsasl2-modules=2.1.25.dfsg1-6+deb7u1 libsasl2-dev" might figure things out for you |
| 04:43.23 | mye | themill: Oh, I thought the deb7u1 meant security update |
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| 04:44.17 | themill | mye: "update" but not necessarily a security update; but more importantly, 2.1.25.dfsg1-17 > 2.1.25.dfsg1-6+deb7u1. |
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| 04:45.30 | mye | sid included a package that is > then a wheezy package? :-) that seems weird |
| 04:45.42 | themill | umm... of course |
| 04:46.11 | subb1 | Tramp civillian, ive found a difference... I ssh with my username 'subb', I do "echo $CLASSPATH" and it returns the expected result. Then for admin tasks, I "sudo su" and now when I try echo $CLASSPATH it returns blank! |
| 04:46.37 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | mye: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 04:47.06 | Tramp | so that's what you did - sudo su is nonsense, but sudo su - may do, what you want. |
| 04:47.16 | mye_ | grml, disconnect |
| 04:47.23 | Tramp | althought it's still nonsense |
| 04:47.32 | themill | mye: about 50% of the packages in sid are newer than the ones in wheezy. That's to be expected. |
| 04:48.09 | subb1 | Tramp, sudo su - just did it.. but why you call it nonsense? |
| 04:48.23 | themill | subb1: you might like to look at the -i option to sudo |
| 04:49.48 | Tramp | subb1: login as root with ssh or use su without sudo |
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| 04:51.26 | subb1 | hmm.. Tramp, it's actually a shared server. root login is disabled and root passwd is unknown to me. I've been give sudo only. |
| 04:51.50 | subb1 | "sudo -i su" does the trick also, as themill said. |
| 04:52.03 | mye | Is there a way to search and replace all packages that were installed from sid or which don't belong to wheezy? |
| 04:52.15 | Lady_Aleena | Please please please Debian/KDE let me listen to my music??? |
| 04:52.51 | Tramp | subb1: ok. So the admin of this server has a convoluted security model. Not your fault then. So do as themill said or as I said. |
| 04:52.53 | themill | subb1: juat sudo -i |
| 04:53.08 | themill | just* |
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| 04:56.26 | mye | themill: thank for figuring this out for me. Haven't done this for a while. Yesterday I did 'init 1' while logged in over SSH :-D |
| 04:57.35 | subb1 | ok. guys. thanks for help! just one doubt. |
| 04:58.59 | subb1 | So if I want to start applications that require the CLASSPATH variable and also require admin priv to start, I should at first login and then use 'sudo -i su' rather than 'sudo su' for things to work correctly.. right? |
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| 05:11.10 | subb1 | thanks themill and Tramp. :) |
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| 06:02.27 | RdrOfTheSt0rm | is the full android sdk available in the debian repo? |
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| 06:08.12 | themill | RdrOfTheSt0rm: android-tools-* are available from wheezy-backports onwards; androidsdk-* are in jessie and sid. |
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| 06:13.56 | RdrOfTheSt0rm | themill: so the sdk there is basicly the same as the one you download from google? |
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| 06:18.04 | vs73nx | dont you think that you can just use the bundle you can download from google... |
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| 06:19.20 | RdrOfTheSt0rm | of course i can, but i like apt to look after everything |
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| 06:21.29 | vs73nx | then i reccommend that you do what themill said it is basiclly the same as what you doenload from google |
| 06:21.58 | vs73nx | 'download' -_- |
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| 06:30.22 | mns | how can I find out the Class name for an X11 application ? |
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| 06:37.47 | Lady_Aleena | I was over in ##linux trying to see if they could help me get sound, however, I got no where. So, how do I get my Audigy sound card to be the default sound card and play my music? |
| 06:38.34 | well_laid_lawn | tried setting up a .asoundrc file ? |
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| 06:42.08 | inahd | hello |
| 06:42.27 | Lady_Aleena | well_laid_lawn, a what? |
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| 06:42.53 | inahd | trying to help my friend get his laptop brightness hotkeys working :D |
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| 06:43.17 | Lady_Aleena | I am brand spanking new to debian and linux today, so I am a near complete newbie. |
| 06:43.52 | Lady_Aleena | I am coming to you from Windows XP where everything has a GUI. |
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| 06:46.31 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: I've had good success running alsamixergui |
| 06:47.13 | Lady_Aleena | peterrooney, where is that in the list of applications? |
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| 06:48.28 | Dirkson | Hey all. ffmpeg seems to be deprecated in favor of... libav? But libav doesn't seem to provide an ffmpeg binary, which some software of mine depends on. What am I supposed to be doing? |
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| 06:49.26 | Lady_Aleena | peterrooney, I just tried it at the command line and got "command not found" |
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| 06:50.19 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: depends which desktop environment you're in. Just a moment, I've only the command line version (alsamixer) installed. While you're waiting, have you been informed about apt-file and command-not-found? |
| 06:50.56 | Lady_Aleena | I'm using KDE. |
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| 06:51.25 | Lady_Aleena | peterrooney, what about apt-file and command-not-found? |
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| 06:54.36 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: apt-file can tell you what package a file is in, even if you don't have it installed (apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search unknownprogram ) |
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| 06:55.01 | Lady_Aleena | Too much information all at once. |
| 06:55.30 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: command-not-found is an addon for bash that makes a very educated guess as to what program you meant when you type in the name of a program that's not installed (or make a typo). |
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| 06:57.27 | Lady_Aleena | peterrooney, when it comes to installing programs, I'm used to going to a website, downloading an exe, double clicking in my downloads in Firefox, and it installing with little worry. I am not used to working at a command line over much unless I am running a perl script which I just wrote which is being buggy in the browser. |
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| 06:57.44 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: and, KDE is a big install (I use enlightenment as my desktop) so I may be a moment more before I can help you on the alsamixergui |
| 06:58.20 | Lady_Aleena | peterrooney, should I just bug the #kde people? |
| 06:58.56 | Lady_Aleena | Also, is there a channel for IceWeasel, I am having problems with it too. |
| 06:58.58 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: hold on a moment, it's just finishing up the install part... |
| 06:59.15 | Lady_Aleena | You didn't have to install KDE just for me. |
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| 06:59.58 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: So? Been a while since I looked at it. |
| 07:00.23 | Lady_Aleena | KDE was supposed to be the easy way into Linux from Windows XP. |
| 07:02.19 | peterrooney | Applications -> Multimedia -> Alsamixergui |
| 07:02.43 | inahd | kde always struck me as familiar for mac users |
| 07:02.56 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: Pff. There is no easy way out of Windows. |
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| 07:03.36 | Lady_Aleena | peterrooney, it isn't there. |
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| 07:04.47 | peterrooney | You may have to install the alsamixergui package. If you have already, I don't know if KDE menus update themselves automatically. |
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| 07:05.55 | Lady_Aleena | I knew I should have done more research. |
| 07:06.18 | Lady_Aleena | How do I get that installed? |
| 07:06.40 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: at terminal, "apt-get install alsamixergui" |
| 07:06.43 | Lady_Aleena | has been trying to get sound for several hours now, and is tired. |
| 07:06.59 | inahd | ooh sound |
| 07:07.03 | inahd | i mess with that |
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| 07:07.18 | Lady_Aleena | I just want to play my music. |
| 07:07.19 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: or, run Synaptic in the GUI |
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| 07:08.25 | Lady_Aleena | peterrooney, I'll look for it. |
| 07:09.29 | peterrooney | I'm on wheezy, the KDE menu has a search box. |
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| 07:10.14 | peterrooney | And, I just discovered that theres' and equalizer plugin for ALSA now! I never would have thought. Helping you has benefitted me. |
| 07:11.22 | Lady_Aleena | My search for Synaptic has turned up nothing. |
| 07:13.49 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: Hmm. I guess it's not part of the default desktop install. |
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| 07:14.12 | inahd | sorry to try and jump in midway, do you have a fancy soundcard or something? |
| 07:14.15 | Lady_Aleena | What is PulseAudio? Where is my Audigy card? |
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| 07:16.12 | Lady_Aleena | I just got the alsamixergui, and I can't get it to switch to my Audigy card. |
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| 07:16.24 | inahd | audigy is your sound card... |
| 07:16.29 | Lady_Aleena | Yes. |
| 07:16.44 | Lady_Aleena | Soundblaster Audigy (I know it is old.) |
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| 07:17.21 | inahd | old is good |
| 07:17.47 | Lady_Aleena | (I still have my keyboard and mouse to get drivers for too since the generic drivers aren't handling everything.) |
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| 07:18.31 | Lady_Aleena | (I also have to find a way to shove an add-on down IceWeasel's throat.) |
| 07:18.48 | Lady_Aleena | (And I need to find out where to plop a whole bunch of fonts.) |
| 07:19.23 | inahd | how much have you messed with stuff? is it possible you broke something along the way? |
| 07:19.37 | pixi | I had debian on my pc then on other partition I installed win 7 now when I start my pc it boots in win 7 directly, previously I had choice to make between two debians (not sure why) I think this was grub so I had it installed I believe, on my laptop I see same I have debian and win and I can choose which to boot on start, but my desktop pcv boots in win 7 directly, |
| 07:19.53 | pixi | yesterday oine guy told me to do this: To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever" |
| 07:19.54 | pixi | . See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
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| 07:20.07 | Lady_Aleena | I need a way to upload files to my web server, an email program which can read my outlook.pst file (or at least burst it), a text editor I can configure the way I want. |
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| 07:20.13 | pixi | but I had grub previously installed, this will fix my problem? |
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| 07:20.32 | Lady_Aleena | inahd, I just installed it about 9 hours ago. |
| 07:20.39 | inahd | hehe okay |
| 07:20.55 | Lady_Aleena | I'll try a reboot. |
| 07:21.35 | james41382 | Why would a package be "kept back" when trying to upgrade? |
| 07:21.51 | james41382 | I have a number of software updates to install, but it says some have been "kept back". |
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| 07:24.33 | other_other_joe | anyone have any experience with serial over lan? specifically a weird quirk that hangs my boot |
| 07:24.59 | hikenboot | anyone know what couldn't find needed C header for back end? |
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| 07:25.20 | hikenboot | s/end means/ |
| 07:25.34 | Lady_Aleena | And nothing I did to set up my desktop STUCK! |
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| 07:26.18 | Lady_Aleena | I had a new desktop background, I changed my display size, and neither of those stuck. |
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| 07:30.20 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, I need the driver for my video card too, since it appears the resolution I need for my monitor isn't on the list. |
| 07:30.28 | nexutix | Is gvfs package required by system? Can it be safely removed? I am using KDE. |
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| 07:38.20 | pixi | anyone can help? |
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| 07:43.41 | inahd | Lady_Aleena, sounds very frustrating |
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| 07:44.18 | inahd | you may have bitten off more than you can chew for an into to linux |
| 07:44.33 | inahd | itro |
| 07:44.37 | inahd | intro |
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| 07:45.34 | themexbob | hello need help find script / command running during system startup. When I run "top", I see command executed by root and process id but cannot find path for script. |
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| 07:46.16 | inahd | Lady_Aleena, have you thought about trying a more preconfigured flavor of debian? |
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| 07:46.59 | Lady_Aleena | I was told to use Debian 'cause so many other distros were built on top of it. |
| 07:47.01 | pixi | anyone can help? |
| 07:49.33 | hikenboot | I have a package (the only thing I am trying to run on this box that is looking for a -dev file, I have no idea which one...how do I do brute force approach apt-get install *-dev this errors out |
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| 07:51.07 | inahd | Lady_Aleena, yes those other distros were built on top of debian for a reason :P |
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| 07:56.38 | hikenboot | well that failed misserably just tried to xargs a list of dev packages to apt-get but the conflicts killed it |
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| 08:01.08 | Lope | qemu-guest-agent is not available on debian |
| 08:01.20 | Lope | how can I install it? |
| 08:01.37 | Lope | is it possible to have the clipboard working on a 7.1 Debian guest (13.04 Ubuntu host) |
| 08:01.53 | Lope | (I mean clipboard sharing) |
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| 08:03.57 | themexbob | hello need help find script / command running during system startup. When I run "top", I see command executed by root and process id but cannot find path for script. |
| 08:03.59 | themexbob | [11:44pm] |
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| 08:04.29 | themexbob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:11.41 | grep0r | themexbob, if i understand exactly what you mean, you can try which and whereis |
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| 08:15.29 | hikenboot | hello can anyone tell me what the stable debian release was in 2003 |
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| 08:17.07 | wsky | hikenboot: yes, wikipedia |
| 08:17.15 | hikenboot | thanks |
| 08:17.29 | Lady_Aleena | I just hope I don't have to go back to Windows XP if it appears too much of my hardware is Windows dependent. |
| 08:17.54 | Lady_Aleena | It is starting to look that way. |
| 08:18.33 | wsky | i'd love seeing a windows xp re-release, with old user experience and modern technology |
| 08:18.41 | wsky | however not gonna happen |
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| 08:23.02 | Lady_Aleena | If I don't have sound coming out of my computer after tomorrow, I won't have a choice but to reinstall Windows XP, and just deal with the fact I will be behind when it comes to new technology. |
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| 08:24.58 | inahd | Lady_Aleena, try something more like linux mint, before going to windows |
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| 08:25.46 | inahd | a lot of work goes into keeping things stable while adding hardware detection and all that |
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| 08:26.11 | Lady_Aleena | My question is, why doesn't Debian come with a hardware Q&A during installation? |
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| 08:26.53 | inahd | Lady_Aleena, this is free software |
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| 08:27.57 | inahd | some distributions try to do everything for you, some let you do everything yourself |
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| 08:29.10 | inahd | i'm sorry i can't be more helpful to you, i probably could be if i had a debian setup to reference etc. |
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| 08:29.50 | inahd | but i started out on ubuntu, and after some years of getting familiar started to play with debian and other debian based setups |
| 08:29.59 | Lady_Aleena | What I'd like is a web page with every driver known to Debian so I can download and install the right ones (with installation instructions included, hopefully). |
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| 08:31.20 | inahd | drivers, interfaces, documentation |
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| 08:31.39 | inahd | its a lot of stuff going on for a new person |
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| 08:32.08 | Lady_Aleena | BRB, got to reboot to see if my taskbar comes back. I lost it. |
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| 08:38.08 | Lady_Aleena | Looks like I will either be reinstalling Windows XP or Debian, I lost my taskbar. |
| 08:38.16 | inahd | if your goal is to patiently learn... then debian is a geat place to do that. if you want things to 'work', try something that tries to work out of the box. you will end up fixing a few things and learning as you do. |
| 08:38.29 | inahd | hehe yes its a lot of fun! |
| 08:39.29 | inahd | what you might do is set up a dual boot. debian/debian based alternative |
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| 08:39.33 | Lady_Aleena | I can't see the programs I have open down in the task bar. I don't even see a way of adding it back in. |
| 08:39.55 | tech10171968 | Considering that al updates for XP (including security updates) will be ending in 2014, I would stay well away from Windows XP |
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| 08:40.29 | inahd | Lady_Aleena, try apropos panel? |
| 08:40.34 | inahd | in the cli? |
| 08:40.35 | Lady_Aleena | I just can't get Debian to work. |
| 08:40.56 | inahd | like i said its a lot to bite off m'lady |
| 08:40.58 | tech10171968 | Lady_Allena, what problem are you having? |
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| 08:42.16 | Lady_Aleena | tech10171968, everything. |
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| 08:42.24 | inahd | tech10171968, i believe Lady_Aleena has been tearing her first install up! |
| 08:42.33 | inahd | his/her i guess |
| 08:42.37 | Lady_Aleena | her |
| 08:42.41 | inahd | :) |
| 08:42.50 | tech10171968 | okay, et's start with the biggest issue then |
| 08:42.55 | tech10171968 | *let's |
| 08:43.10 | Lady_Aleena | I now do not have buttons on my taskbar for the programs I have open. |
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| 08:43.43 | inahd | the panel is gone i believe |
| 08:44.07 | tech10171968 | okay, this sounds more like a problem with the desktop environment than with the distro |
| 08:44.10 | Lady_Aleena | If I had a way to make a screenshot I would show you, but I don't at the moment. |
| 08:44.23 | tech10171968 | which distro and DE are you using? |
| 08:44.53 | Lady_Aleena | I am using 7 and KDE. |
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| 08:45.30 | tech10171968 | okay, can you open a terminal? |
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| 08:46.14 | tech10171968 | or, better yet, can you get to the system settings? |
| 08:46.39 | inahd | tech10171968, she was considering a fresh install... i might support that route... |
| 08:46.45 | dr_jkl | I accidentally libc-bin from my sytem after a bad upgrade. How do I reinstall ldconfig? :P |
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| 08:47.20 | inahd | though i am still a novice myself |
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| 08:47.42 | Lady_Aleena | tech10171968, sure. |
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| 08:47.57 | dr_jkl | i sense a debian live cd and a chroot in my future. argh. |
| 08:48.04 | tech10171968 | inahd, she does not need a reinstall |
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| 08:48.18 | inahd | cool, i will watch and learn |
| 08:48.32 | tech10171968 | Lady_Aeena, do you know what Plasmoids are? |
| 08:48.41 | Lady_Aleena | tech10171968, nope. |
| 08:48.57 | tech10171968 | okay, in KDE a plasmoid is basically a widget |
| 08:49.23 | tech10171968 | the taskbar is a Plasmoid |
| 08:49.42 | tech10171968 | sounds like you need to add that particular widget to your desktop |
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| 08:50.17 | Lady_Aleena | tech10171968, I have the bar at the bottom of my screen, I lost the buttons to access programs which are open. |
| 08:50.37 | Lady_Aleena | To get from program to program, I have to use Alt-Tab instead of the bar. |
| 08:51.12 | tech10171968 | Lady_Aleena: right-click on your taskbar and choose "unlock widgets" if they aren't already unlocked |
| 08:51.26 | Lady_Aleena | Done |
| 08:51.46 | tech10171968 | okay, does the "Cashew" show up in the corner of your bar |
| 08:51.48 | tech10171968 | ? |
| 08:52.12 | Lady_Aleena | The thing all the way to the right? |
| 08:52.22 | tech10171968 | okay, that sounds like it |
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| 08:52.33 | Lady_Aleena | Then I have it. |
| 08:52.47 | tech10171968 | right-click on the Cashew and choose "Add Widgets" |
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| 08:53.29 | raboof_ | How do I most easily find out which exact font is used for "-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" and which Debian package contains that font? |
| 08:53.36 | tech10171968 | one of the widgets you can add is called the "Task Manager". That sounds like what you are missing |
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| 08:53.50 | Lady_Aleena | When I do that I can't see the bottom most messages in irc. |
| 08:54.22 | tech10171968 | that's okay, that obstruction is temporary |
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| 08:54.54 | tech10171968 | the problem is that you have to add the "Task Manager" widget to your task bar |
| 08:55.04 | Lady_Aleena | tech10171968, I don't know your marital status, so I won't kiss you. |
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| 08:55.30 | tech10171968 | LOL, I don't mind helping |
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| 08:57.14 | Lady_Aleena | It is now locked, so no mousing mistakes. |
| 08:57.25 | tech10171968 | Good idea |
| 08:58.23 | Lady_Aleena | Next up, keyboard and mouse drivers. |
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| 08:59.32 | tech10171968 | okay, can you get to the system settings? (the KDE equivalent to "Control Panel") |
| 08:59.55 | Lady_Aleena | I have a Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 v1.0 and a Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 5000. |
| 09:00.21 | Lady_Aleena | I can tech10171968. |
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| 09:00.39 | Lady_Aleena | tech10171968, I am there. |
| 09:00.46 | tech10171968 | okay, there shoud be entries for input devices |
| 09:00.55 | tech10171968 | *should |
| 09:01.20 | Lady_Aleena | There. |
| 09:01.51 | tech10171968 | okay, under input devices you will see sections for keyboard/mouse/etc |
| 09:02.22 | tech10171968 | a ot of those entries should be sef-explanatory |
| 09:02.28 | tech10171968 | *lot |
| 09:02.43 | tech10171968 | *self |
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| 09:04.14 | tech10171968 | Lady_Aleena, Debian Linux already provides built-in drivers for a lot of standard peripherals |
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| 09:04.42 | Lady_Aleena | Under keyboards there is a list of keyboard, however, mine is not listed. Under mouse, I can't choose one. |
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| 09:05.16 | tech10171968 | it might not mention your device by it's retail name |
| 09:06.25 | tech10171968 | but KDE does provide several drivers for standard Microsoft keyboards |
| 09:06.41 | tech10171968 | the key word here is "Standard" |
| 09:07.00 | Lady_Aleena | tech10171968, my keyboard is non-standard. |
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| 09:07.11 | tech10171968 | okay, I see |
| 09:07.31 | Lady_Aleena | My mouse is also non-standard (it has 5 buttons instead of just 3). |
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| 09:07.44 | tech10171968 | what's so unusual about your keyboard? |
| 09:08.12 | tech10171968 | BTW, My mouse is also a 5-button mouse. every button is aready detected |
| 09:08.38 | Lady_Aleena | There are several buttons which I am not sure come on standard keyboards such as the 'favorites' button and 5 buttons which I can preset to start certain programs. |
| 09:09.08 | tech10171968 | okay, I understand |
| 09:09.24 | tech10171968 | like a button for email, for example? |
| 09:09.34 | Lady_Aleena | Also, the outer buttons where no detected on my mouse. |
| 09:09.36 | tech10171968 | and another one for internet? |
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| 09:10.14 | Lady_Aleena | Web/Home, Search, and Mail I've seen on other keyboards, however not many keyboards have a Zoom control. |
| 09:10.32 | tech10171968 | yeah, that is pretty unusual |
| 09:10.36 | odla | how can i add more format in gnome 3 under the region & language setting? |
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| 09:11.14 | tech10171968 | there is a program for assigning functions to "Hotkeys", which is what you're describing |
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| 09:11.46 | tech10171968 | trying to recall the name of it... |
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| 09:12.43 | tech10171968 | Lady_Aleena:http://www.shellperson.net/keyboard-hotkeys/ |
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| 09:13.17 | Lady_Aleena | I also have 4 additional keys above the number pad, which seem to work, so no loss there. |
| 09:13.25 | tech10171968 | in fact, I thnk you can also assign hotkeys from within KDE |
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| 09:14.11 | Lady_Aleena | tech10171968, so there aren't any separate drivers available for them, I have to work within what was installed? |
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| 09:14.31 | tech10171968 | sometimes that's what you'll have to do |
| 09:15.19 | tech10171968 | I use a Compaq aptop with severa of those special function keys and that's what I did |
| 09:15.23 | odla | do i need to install a locale or something? it is only showing up with us locale |
| 09:15.43 | tech10171968 | I used KDE and another program to assign functions to them |
| 09:16.03 | tech10171968 | not as hard as it might sound |
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| 09:16.17 | jasper^off | hej guys, anybody got a clue what could be the problem |
| 09:16.23 | jasper^off | http://pastebin.com/PQHgbxGH |
| 09:17.09 | jasper^off | I'm getting a lot of random errors all of a sudden |
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| 09:18.19 | Lady_Aleena | Google is failing to find me Debian drivers too, I really need my mouse buttons to all work. |
| 09:18.20 | James0r | trying to repackage a deb file and tutorial i'm looking at is expecting a /DEBIAN directory from the file but i just see two .tar files and a text file. |
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| 09:19.20 | tech10171968 | Lady_Aleena: that's odd, my mouse buttons were recognized immediatey |
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| 09:19.25 | James0r | google-earth-stable-amd64 to be exact |
| 09:19.28 | tech10171968 | *immediately |
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| 09:19.59 | tech10171968 | jasper^off: mount issue? |
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| 09:20.21 | Lady_Aleena | tech10171968, the outer buttons work in the browser, but not in places like Dolphin. |
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| 09:20.56 | tech10171968 | Lady_Aleena: but, then again, the only time I use the two extra buttons is in a browser, not sure where else you might be using yours |
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| 09:21.36 | Lady_Aleena | tech10171968, everywhere there are tabs, such as in XChat where I would like to use the outer mouse buttons to go from tab to tab. |
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| 09:22.40 | tech10171968 | just a theory, but I think in inux the side button functions change depending on which program you're using |
| 09:22.41 | Lady_Aleena | So, in XChat I'd like to assign them as if they were ctrl-page up and ctrl-page down. |
| 09:22.49 | tech10171968 | *Linux |
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| 09:23.05 | Lady_Aleena | tech10171968, I read mistypish. |
| 09:23.17 | tech10171968 | LOL, okay |
| 09:23.51 | jasper^off | sorry guys, my internet failed |
| 09:23.59 | jasper^off | did anybody respond to my question? |
| 09:24.21 | Lady_Aleena | Now leet on the other hand annoys me. Twitter speak is barely acceptable on Twitter, not acceptable elsewhere. (To me that is) |
| 09:24.46 | tech10171968 | I concur 100% |
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| 09:25.39 | Lady_Aleena | tech10171968, two really big problems I am having are with my display and sound. I don't have the whole gamut of resolutions my video card gives me, and I don't have any sound. |
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| 09:26.07 | tech10171968 | BTW, in KDE you can assign custom keyboard shortcuts from system settings. I wonder if the same can be done with mouse gestures? |
| 09:26.39 | tech10171968 | okay, the video issue can be tricky |
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| 09:27.08 | tech10171968 | I use a xorg.conf file. Helps a ton |
| 09:27.23 | wsky | any ops around? |
| 09:27.29 | tech10171968 | and I assume your using ALSA for sound? |
| 09:27.35 | Lady_Aleena | tech10171968, I and many others have tried to get sound out of my computer for several hours this morning. |
| 09:27.45 | wsky | !ops |
| 09:27.45 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 09:27.46 | raboof | funny, nowadays I usually solve problems by removing the xorg.conf and have X autodetect stuff on itself :) |
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| 09:28.25 | wsky | !ops user rules violation |
| 09:28.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: wsky complains about: user rules violation |
| 09:28.34 | Lady_Aleena | tech10171968, we tried to get alsa to switch the sound card, but it would not STICK! |
| 09:28.53 | tech10171968 | reboof: that's another way of doing things. |
| 09:29.23 | tech10171968 | does our sound card show up in the system settings panel? |
| 09:29.28 | Lady_Aleena | yawns. It is 4:30am here. |
| 09:29.36 | tech10171968 | same here |
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| 09:30.18 | Lady_Aleena | tech10171968, if you are talking about under Multimedia, I do not know since Multimedia in System Settings will NOT open. |
| 09:30.46 | Lady_Aleena | Multimedia under System Settings just crashed. |
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| 09:30.53 | tech10171968 | I'm trying hard not to lead you astray. I do some specialized stuff on my machine plus I use Debian experimental, kernel 3.12.3 |
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| 09:31.30 | tech10171968 | let me see something for a sec... |
| 09:33.47 | tech10171968 | Lady_Aleena: have you tried using a different backend in the mutimedia section? Like, say, vlc? |
| 09:34.17 | jasper^off | http://pastebin.com/PQHgbxGH <- is there anyone who can help me with these problems |
| 09:34.20 | tech10171968 | some time ago the default backend changed from gstreamed to vlc, don't know why |
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| 09:34.59 | tech10171968 | BRB, tea kettle going off... |
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| 09:36.38 | tech10171968 | back |
| 09:37.00 | tech10171968 | jasper^off: anybody give you an answer yet? |
| 09:37.09 | jasper^off | no |
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| 09:37.17 | jasper^off | I'm lost here....getting all these random errors |
| 09:37.35 | jasper^off | when I download a new kernel extractable file for example |
| 09:37.35 | tech10171968 | okay, let see see the pastebin and I'll see if I recognize it |
| 09:37.44 | jasper^off | and I know the file is perfectly fine |
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| 09:37.49 | jasper^off | I'm getting errors extracting it |
| 09:38.06 | jasper^off | compressed data is corrupt |
| 09:38.16 | jasper^off | getting all these random errors |
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| 09:39.40 | tech10171968 | so you're getting a kernel panic while extracting a fie from the kernel? |
| 09:39.54 | tech10171968 | *file |
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| 09:41.37 | tech10171968 | jasper^off: are you having a problem with smp? |
| 09:41.57 | tech10171968 | smp= symmetric processing |
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| 09:43.32 | tech10171968 | if that is the case then you may have to add 'nosmp' to the kernel stanza in grub |
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| 09:44.24 | tech10171968 | in fact, before you do that, do you have 1 cpu, or are you running multiple cores? |
| 09:44.29 | jasper^off | tech10171968 at this point I have no idea what I'm having problems with |
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| 09:44.36 | jasper^off | 4130t intel |
| 09:44.40 | jasper^off | 1 cpu 2 cores |
| 09:45.01 | jasper^off | I'm actually leaning toward a hardware problem tech10171968 |
| 09:45.10 | tech10171968 | okay, try adding that to you grub stanza and see if that helps |
| 09:45.19 | ws2k3 | anyone some advice on cloning software that does support hardraid raid controllers? |
| 09:45.29 | jasper^off | problem is tech10171968, everything worked fine...until a few days ago... |
| 09:45.38 | jasper^off | so I don't think it's a config problem of that sort |
| 09:46.01 | tech10171968 | damn, thought that idea might work |
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| 09:46.24 | jasper^off | tech10171968 for example I download this file: wget -c https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.x/linux-3.12.3.tar.xz |
| 09:46.37 | tech10171968 | okay... |
| 09:46.50 | jasper^off | it says it downloaded fine...then try to extract it.. |
| 09:46.52 | Lady_Aleena | is going afk for a few hours to sleep. |
| 09:46.54 | jasper^off | now it extracts it fine |
| 09:47.07 | jasper^off | but when I repeat that step a few times...sometimes it works...sometimes it doesn't |
| 09:47.11 | jasper^off | which is bizar isn't it? |
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| 09:48.09 | tech10171968 | having trouble follwing you. You wget the file, it downloads and extracts fine |
| 09:48.14 | jasper^off | yes |
| 09:48.16 | jasper^off | now it does |
| 09:48.19 | jasper^off | but like 10 minutes ago |
| 09:48.28 | jasper^off | it gave me errors while extracting the exact same file |
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| 09:48.34 | jasper^off | so it's at random if it will work or not |
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| 09:49.03 | raboof | i haven't followed much of the previous discussion, but your disk isn't (almost) full is it? |
| 09:49.10 | tech10171968 | and I assume the hash checks okay on the download? |
| 09:49.17 | raboof | that has caused some unexpected messages for me in the past, not just 'disk full' :) |
| 09:49.24 | tech10171968 | reboof: you may have a point |
| 09:49.30 | jasper^off | no it isn't raboof. also solid state disk and smartctl runs fine |
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| 09:49.58 | jasper^off | ./dev/disk/by-uuid/fcd7b4fe-e8c4-4a67-a9ca-a53ce62a396c 110533456 6513996 98381624 7% / |
| 09:50.05 | jasper^off | 7% used |
| 09:50.13 | raboof | yeah that's fine :) - ok just a hunch :) |
| 09:50.18 | tech10171968 | how does the MD5 sumlook? |
| 09:50.24 | jasper^off | maybe I should elobrate on the problem |
| 09:50.38 | tech10171968 | okay... |
| 09:50.50 | jasper^off | like 3 days ago I came home...I'm running btrfs....and my data mount was suddenly read-only....so I though that's weird...gave the system a reboot |
| 09:51.13 | jasper^off | then it all seemed to work normally...for like 2 hours...then it started loosing files at random on the btrfs |
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| 09:51.25 | jasper^off | so I thought it was a btrfs problem. went into their channel asked around |
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| 09:51.50 | jasper^off | but while trying to solve the problem I'm all of a sudden getting kernel panics....shutting down systems....hanging system even when I only do an ls |
| 09:52.02 | jasper^off | I can't even compile a new kernel at the moment |
| 09:52.12 | jasper^off | it will fail with segmentation faults...in a different place everytime |
| 09:52.23 | jasper^off | so I'm doubting it's btrfs |
| 09:52.31 | jasper^off | since that's only my data dir which isn't even used |
| 09:52.42 | tech10171968 | funny... I asked if this was a mount-related issue earllier |
| 09:52.51 | tech10171968 | just stabbing in the dark |
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| 09:53.36 | jasper^off | in the beginning I thought it was tech10171968 |
| 09:53.40 | jasper^off | but I'm doubting it now.. |
| 09:53.49 | jasper^off | allready replaced the psu this morning suspecting that might be the cause |
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| 09:55.06 | tech10171968 | crap... now it does sound like a hardware issue |
| 09:55.52 | jasper^off | I'm actually doing the compile of the kernel as we speak |
| 09:55.56 | jasper^off | see if it will succeed now |
| 09:56.09 | jasper^off | but the randomness in it is making me think -> hardware issue |
| 09:56.23 | jasper^off | question is...what part |
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| 09:56.44 | amphi | jasper^off: you tested memory already? |
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| 09:56.56 | jasper^off | not yet, was my next step |
| 09:57.10 | jasper^off | since I was thinking psu problem...it's a small setup with a 200 watt psu |
| 09:57.16 | jasper^off | so I thought it might be underpowered |
| 09:57.20 | jasper^off | so added a 700 watt psu |
| 09:57.35 | jasper^off | but that didn't yield the results I wanted :/ |
| 09:58.02 | tech10171968 | actually, I hope it is a memory issue. because if it's not your HD or your memory then the only other thing it could be is a failing CPU |
| 09:58.18 | jasper^off | or the motherboard? |
| 09:58.26 | tech10171968 | maybe |
| 09:58.34 | tech10171968 | forgot about that |
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| 09:58.40 | jasper^off | problem is, how am I gonna find out what part it is |
| 09:58.46 | jasper^off | I can test the memory..but the rest... |
| 09:58.47 | jasper^off | :/ |
| 09:59.04 | tech10171968 | about that, I am stumped |
| 09:59.17 | jasper^off | http://cwillu.com:8080/77.248.38.4/7 |
| 09:59.18 | jasper^off | http://cwillu.com:8080/77.248.38.4/8 |
| 09:59.24 | jasper^off | those are my harddisk reports |
| 09:59.54 | jasper^off | the crc error count is also worrying me |
| 10:00.09 | jasper^off | hence why I though -> power supply |
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| 10:01.05 | tech10171968 | nothing jumps out at me |
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| 10:01.49 | tech10171968 | damn I'mhoping it's memory |
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| 10:02.00 | bhuddah | if you don't know what it is, it's the mainboard. |
| 10:02.24 | tech10171968 | if memory or HD then at least that won't be catastrophic |
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| 10:02.45 | linedash | http://cwillu.com:8080/77.248.38.4/8 = dying |
| 10:02.53 | linedash | drive is on the way out |
| 10:03.02 | jasper^off | linedash it's a rather new disk |
| 10:03.05 | jasper^off | what makes you think that? |
| 10:03.17 | amphi | jasper^off: what crc error count? UDMA_CRC_Error_Count ? |
| 10:03.20 | linedash | combination of the crc error rate and command timeout |
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| 10:03.35 | jasper^off | or a faulty power supply or data cable can cause that linedash ? |
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| 10:03.36 | linedash | and seek error rate |
| 10:04.07 | linedash | checks one of his similar drives |
| 10:04.34 | jasper^off | problem is I'm having problems replicating the issues |
| 10:04.45 | tech10171968 | is grateful he does regular backups |
| 10:05.31 | jasper^off | I have nothing of vital importance on the system tech10171968 |
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| 10:05.45 | jasper^off | but I'm more concerned with the fact that this is max 2 months old hardware |
| 10:05.46 | tech10171968 | *phew* |
| 10:05.49 | linedash | unfortunately they use that really annoying raw values |
| 10:05.50 | jasper^off | not even 2 months |
| 10:06.02 | linedash | and I'd not be that concerned with the drives - I've seen new drives fail within a week |
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| 10:06.11 | linedash | I work in hosting so we go through a *lot* of drives |
| 10:06.33 | jasper^off | yeah they can fail offcourse linedash, but would that also explain kernel panic and the system shutting down cpu's? |
| 10:06.34 | tech10171968 | true...QC doesn't always catch *everything* |
| 10:06.53 | jasper^off | I even got a soft hang before of the cpu not responding for 23 seconds |
| 10:07.00 | jasper^off | the system reported that :/ |
| 10:07.05 | linedash | yeah, drive issues can cause that for sure |
| 10:07.28 | linedash | especially the cpu not responding one whilst its stuck waiting on io from a dodgy drive |
| 10:07.35 | linedash | that being said; have you run memtest? |
| 10:07.43 | jasper^off | could be, but I wasn't even using those 2 disks |
| 10:07.50 | jasper^off | since the os is running on a solid state |
| 10:07.58 | jasper^off | not yet linedash, that's the next step |
| 10:08.03 | jasper^off | it's still compiling the kernel |
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| 10:08.07 | linedash | if it was read/writing from that drive at the time it could have caused it alright |
| 10:08.08 | jasper^off | see if I can get it done this time around |
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| 10:08.21 | linedash | out of idle curiosity why are you using a custom kernel? |
| 10:08.36 | jasper^off | I was thinking it was a btrfs issue before linedash |
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| 10:08.50 | jasper^off | so wanted to upgrade to version 3.12 because of the known bug in the older version with pre-allocated files |
| 10:08.55 | linedash | possibly I suppose |
| 10:08.57 | tech10171968 | what's wrong with using a custom kernel? |
| 10:09.19 | linedash | nothing - it just adds another level of 'things that could be causing the problem' depending on how familiar you are with compiling kernels :) |
| 10:09.28 | tech10171968 | true |
| 10:09.31 | jasper^off | linedash I've just taken my 3.10 kernel |
| 10:09.35 | jasper^off | and swapped the .config file |
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| 10:09.47 | jasper^off | should be fine I suppose |
| 10:09.53 | tech10171968 | but then, that's why one should be familiar with his system before attempting |
| 10:10.05 | tech10171968 | to compile his own kernel |
| 10:10.09 | linedash | for sure |
| 10:10.17 | jasper^off | reason for the 3.10 kernel if you want to know linedash....my networking device is not supported in anything older |
| 10:10.30 | jasper^off | :/ |
| 10:10.38 | linedash | ah, cool - no was more idle curiosity like I said. You see people needing to compile their own kernels so infrequently these days |
| 10:11.00 | linedash | I've worked as a linux engineer for several years now and I've never actually needed to do it |
| 10:11.02 | tech10171968 | heh, I do it every time there's an update |
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| 10:11.13 | jasper^off | I'm running this new haswell board. maybe I should have just sticked with old hardware for my nas device |
| 10:11.18 | jasper^off | :/ |
| 10:11.23 | tech10171968 | well, usually no need to do it on production systems anyways |
| 10:11.28 | linedash | well tbh I'd deff suggest running memtest anyway |
| 10:11.39 | jasper^off | yeah for sure |
| 10:11.49 | linedash | it will usually catch problems with mem/cpu/mobo |
| 10:11.55 | jasper^off | it seems to be compiling fine now, still waiting for the crash |
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| 10:12.01 | jasper^off | I'm actually hoping it will crash |
| 10:12.02 | jasper^off | :) |
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| 10:12.26 | tech10171968 | careful what you ask for... ;) |
| 10:12.37 | jasper^off | one other issue, my internet started failing with the nas plugged in all of a sudden |
| 10:12.45 | jasper^off | when I remove the nas from the network....the internet is back again |
| 10:12.51 | jasper^off | such weird issues :/ |
| 10:12.51 | linedash | I'm trying to track down a problematic xen issue today |
| 10:13.21 | jasper^off | I was even considering a possible hack ... |
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| 10:13.41 | tech10171968 | jasper^off: I know the ohone number to a good Voodoo with doctor... :p |
| 10:13.46 | tech10171968 | *witch |
| 10:13.51 | linedash | all of a sudden some of our hypervisors start getting 25000 ms latency spikes on the VMs - the hypervisor itself is unaffected, but the networking stack for the VMs just shits itself |
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| 10:14.11 | linedash | if you migrate some VMs off then it starts working fine again |
| 10:14.35 | tech10171968 | VMWare? |
| 10:14.38 | linedash | box isn't overloaded, plenty of all resources available, pipe isn't saturated - it's a real PITA as I've no idea what's causing it |
| 10:14.39 | linedash | xen |
| 10:14.43 | tech10171968 | ok |
| 10:15.27 | jasper^off | so memtest is first thing to do |
| 10:15.34 | jasper^off | need to get one which runs from usb |
| 10:15.39 | jasper^off | since I have no optical in the system |
| 10:15.56 | jasper^off | I should actually be packing my stuff, since I'm moving houses tomorrow :P |
| 10:15.58 | bhuddah | just install it and boot into it? |
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| 10:16.20 | jasper^off | bhuddah I actually don't want to loose this install if not absolutely necessary |
| 10:16.34 | linedash | apt-get install memtest |
| 10:16.35 | linedash | :> |
| 10:16.40 | linedash | memtest86+ that is |
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| 10:16.59 | tech10171968 | thx for reminding me: I need to replace my rescue USB thumbdrive |
| 10:17.04 | linedash | it'll appear as a boot option |
| 10:17.06 | jasper^off | oh offcourse |
| 10:17.11 | jasper^off | I forgot about that |
| 10:17.30 | jasper^off | compiling the kernel takes long :/ |
| 10:17.31 | bhuddah | :) |
| 10:18.02 | tech10171968 | btw, do you compile with 'make deb-pkg'? |
| 10:18.41 | tech10171968 | that's been a real time-saver for me |
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| 10:19.46 | jasper^off | I used make-kpkg |
| 10:19.56 | tech10171968 | ah, okay |
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| 10:20.30 | jasper^off | is it faster? |
| 10:20.42 | tech10171968 | I find that deb-pkg generates the image, libc and headers for me |
| 10:21.18 | tech10171968 | make deb-pkg && dpkg -i ../*deb |
| 10:22.11 | jasper^off | sounds easier |
| 10:22.12 | jasper^off | :P |
| 10:23.06 | tech10171968 | got tired of installing a kernel then missing libc, libc-dev,headers, stuff like that. deb-pkg does all that |
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| 10:23.58 | jasper^off | hmm I'll try that |
| 10:24.27 | tech10171968 | yeah, it's friggin' great |
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| 10:26.02 | jasper^off | restarted the compile with that command |
| 10:26.12 | jasper^off | since I want to be able to save this kernel anyways when I have to reformat my system |
| 10:26.22 | jasper^off | don't want to recompile everything again |
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| 10:26.53 | tech10171968 | after it compiles, eveything will be in deb format and waiting for you |
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| 10:29.31 | Xat` | hi guys |
| 10:29.35 | tech10171968 | my eyelids are getting heavy... must sleep. I'm out. |
| 10:30.04 | Xat` | I have a script which do some stuff, and a part set a variable into /etc/environment file and an other part need this environment variable |
| 10:30.45 | Xat` | I tried something like that : /bin/echo "HTTP_PROXY=http://myproxy.com:80" >> /etc/environment && source /etc/environment |
| 10:31.08 | Xat` | but my environment variable is not loaded after that line |
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| 10:37.06 | ChrisH | Xat`: the env should be named http_proxy and how did you confirm it was not loaded? |
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| 10:37.44 | Xat` | ChrisH: cause I can't use it |
| 10:38.50 | jasper^off | linedash still here? |
| 10:38.56 | ChrisH | Xat`: "can't use it" where? once more: its http_proxy not HTTP_PROXY ; run echo $http_proxy in your shel to confirm its active. |
| 10:39.11 | jasper^off | linedash -> http://pastebin.com/sJ44tWcX |
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| 10:39.51 | linedash | hrm |
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| 10:39.57 | linedash | yeah; get memtesting that shizzle jasper |
| 10:40.51 | Xat` | ChrisH: I can't use it in my script . after the variable set, I do a wget command but its not able to wget the resource cause the proxy is not setted |
| 10:41.31 | jasper^off | linedash I got the perfect example now |
| 10:41.32 | jasper^off | http://pastebin.com/gePTNV5P |
| 10:41.52 | jasper^off | see how the exact same commands has different results ...only run like 10 seconds after eachother |
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| 10:43.19 | linedash | jasper - memtest :P |
| 10:43.32 | linedash | I'd not bother doing anything else past memtest right now |
| 10:43.47 | linedash | it sounds like a hardware fault of some sort |
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| 10:45.58 | Xat` | ChrisH: so I'll try this : echo "export http_proxy=http://machin.org >> /etc/environment && export http_proxy=http://machin.org" |
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| 10:46.57 | electr0sphere | hi, has anyone deployed some kind of "distributed cron" architecture? so that cron jobs are "load-balanced" across several servers and get restarted if the cron-server goes down etc. |
| 10:48.32 | jasper^off | linedash |
| 10:48.36 | jasper^off | interestingggggg |
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| 10:49.37 | jasper^off | memtest is kinda red... |
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| 10:52.00 | jasper^off | linedash http://picpaste.com/20131206_114918-YlFadxLv.jpg |
| 10:52.10 | forcer | electr0sphere: You might want to look at stuff like Celery. |
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| 10:53.21 | linedash | yup; that's fucked :) |
| 10:53.37 | linedash | dodgy ram by the looks of it |
| 10:53.58 | linedash | rip the sticks out and test them one at a time |
| 10:54.10 | linedash | that it found it on test 4 is helpful as it means it'll find it quickly |
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| 10:57.16 | ChrisH | Xat`: wget has some nice options to pass the proxy and you only need to set the variablkes in your script, or source /etc/environment in your script. keep in mind that http_proxy does not match for wget https://xxx |
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| 10:59.52 | ChrisH | Xat`: need to correct myself. wget has only a no-proxy option |
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| 11:01.15 | Xat` | ChrisH: in my perl script I do this : /bin/echo "export http_proxy=http://myproxy.org" >> /etc/environment && export http_proxy=http://gateway.zscaler.net:80 |
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| 11:01.23 | Xat` | and the step after is a wget |
| 11:01.26 | jasper^off | linedash I ripped 1 stick out...same problems in memtest |
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| 11:01.34 | Xat` | but the wget failed due to the proxy |
| 11:01.42 | linedash | jasper^off, test with one stick at a time |
| 11:01.45 | jasper^off | I did |
| 11:01.49 | linedash | ideally with one *known* good stick |
| 11:01.51 | jasper^off | now I don't even get any screen output anymore |
| 11:01.54 | jasper^off | ... |
| 11:02.00 | linedash | could be mobo or cpu |
| 11:02.11 | jasper^off | can't actually get the system to give me any screen output anymore |
| 11:02.17 | jasper^off | so I'm now removing the mobo from the system |
| 11:03.00 | jasper^off | this sounds fucked up doesn't it |
| 11:03.06 | jasper^off | I'm guessing mobo failure |
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| 11:04.24 | electr0sphere | forcer, thanks - will take a look. |
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| 11:05.54 | pengunix | I found something out related to the sudo problem, apparently pam wasn't configured by dpkg-(reconfigure). |
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| 11:12.43 | linuxthefish | in the crontab email, and /etc/cron.daily/logrotate is empty... |
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| 11:13.30 | pengunix | dpkg-reconfigure -a should ask me open questions. I answered them and then executed dpkg-reconfigure -a again. Now it asks me exactly the same questions again. Doesn't it save them? |
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| 11:15.18 | jasper^off | linedash, got screen back again, running memtest on 2nd stick...no faults this far...so I guess one of my memory sticks is broken |
| 11:15.35 | linedash | :D |
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| 11:15.47 | jasper^off | bought it as a set... |
| 11:15.48 | linedash | could be the slot too ; do same test with same stick on other slot |
| 11:15.49 | linedash | just to be sure |
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| 11:16.00 | jasper^off | so I'm wondering if I send it back, if I need to send them both back |
| 11:16.17 | jasper^off | linedash I think my mobo doesn't boot if there's no memory in slot 1 |
| 11:16.43 | linedash | ah |
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| 11:16.56 | jiohdi | so just swap 1 and 2 |
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| 11:18.24 | Xat` | ChrisH: here's the script part : http://pastebin.com/JNrfcGTh |
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| 11:22.01 | jasper^off | no way to make sure slot 2 isn't broken then jiohdi |
| 11:22.25 | jiohdi | if its the stick it should make a difference |
| 11:23.05 | jiohdi | the slot should produce the same result no matter which stick |
| 11:23.33 | jiohdi | the stick being bad should be different ...causing failure when in slot 1 |
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| 11:26.51 | petern_ | Ah corresponds with rhythmbox-metad crashing. |
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| 11:27.23 | ChrisH | Xat`: checkout http://pastebin.com/QriBYwqm and see line 22; I did some minor change there. I am not sure if system() is expected to run the full enviroment collecting process |
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| 11:28.23 | ChrisH | Xat`: and I asked to use paste.debian.net because of |
| 11:28.31 | ChrisH | !pastebin.com |
| 11:28.31 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 11:30.59 | jasper^off | jiohdi both slots are fine |
| 11:31.01 | jasper^off | it's one memory module |
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| 11:31.25 | jiohdi | kewl |
| 11:33.15 | Xat` | ChrisH: you missed the && between variable setting and wget right ? |
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| 11:34.10 | Xat` | I tried paste.debian.net but when error occurs it clean the paste . I had 3 times the error, so I switched to pastebin sorry |
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| 11:40.32 | Xat` | ChrisH: this doesn't resolv the problem |
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| 11:44.47 | ChrisH | Xat`: I did not miss anything... |
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| 11:49.17 | boudiccas | is there a programme in debian that strips the formatting out of pdf's such that they can be edited and saved as ?normal? documents again please? |
| 11:49.40 | jiohdi | gimp? |
| 11:49.49 | ws2k3 | is it possible to copy the disk where i'm booted from to another disk ? |
| 11:49.57 | ws2k3 | using dd or anything |
| 11:50.38 | ChrisH | boudiccas: pdftotext |
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| 11:51.18 | ChrisH | boudiccas: its in poppler-utils |
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| 11:52.28 | boudiccas | ChrisH; brilliant, thanks |
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| 11:55.07 | ChrisH | ws2k3: copy the OS which is currently active? Of course you can copy it using dd/tar/rsync/... but do not expect that the copy is bootable and working. |
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| 12:11.56 | tschundeee | Hi I'm using Debain 7.2 and I'm going to deploy an python app on it. the latest 2.7x python is 2.7.6. debian comes with 2.7.3. shall I upgrade? if so how can it be done? |
| 12:12.42 | bhuddah | !backports |
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| 12:12.42 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 12:12.49 | bhuddah | probably. |
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| 12:13.44 | bw_ | tschundeee: there should be no need to upgrade to python 2.7.6, mostly everything is 2.7.x compatible |
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| 12:19.36 | tschundeee | bw_: okay thx for info |
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| 12:25.22 | ws2k3 | hello |
| 12:25.39 | ws2k3 | my debian does not see my fakeraid how can i fix that |
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| 12:37.15 | bl4ckdu5t | I've been trying to install unrar. What mirror do I need to add to sources.list to be able to get it through apt-get ? |
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| 12:37.52 | themill | it's in non-free |
| 12:37.58 | themill | dpkg: tell bl4ckdu5t about non-free sources |
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| 12:42.14 | chrisb | it seems wicd and using ifup/ifdown interfere with each other from session to session |
| 12:42.19 | chrisb | why? |
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| 12:48.06 | DF3D2 | is zfs fully supported on debian ? |
| 12:48.27 | DF3D2 | like can I use hard drives that are raidz mirrors from freebsd on debian ? |
| 12:48.36 | DF3D2 | with zpool import |
| 12:48.55 | fken | hello. I need to prepare a standalone dvd with a preseeded debian linux. The install process is ok, the firstboot shell script run correctly however, when I launch startx, I can't make the screen run with 1366x768-24 (or 32) resolution. Moreover, I need to make the dvd compatible with a lot of 32bits architecture because there could be several different configurations. Could you help me configuring the screen or tell me whether it is r |
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| 12:49.50 | bl4ckdu5t | themill: I know about non-free resources. I have been using non free but I still can't find unrar |
| 12:49.52 | ChrisH | DF3D2: there is a debian with BSD kernel and there zpool import should work. If there is no other ZFS avalibale for Debian |
| 12:50.15 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell DF3D2 about zfs |
| 12:50.23 | DF3D2 | ChrisH: it seems there is a zfs-linux pkg for debian |
| 12:50.28 | bl4ckdu5t | I think I figured. It's known as unrar-free from the repository not unrar |
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| 12:50.39 | themill | bl4ckdu5t: no, it's called unrar and it's in non-free. |
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| 12:51.22 | ChrisH | DF3D2: short: If you have zpool commands avaliable, you should be able to import..... unless you upgraded your Pool to a version above the one on the importing hosts. But this is true for any ZFS enabled bix. |
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| 12:51.51 | DF3D2 | ChrisH: so is zfs support native on debian, or will I have to use something like FUSE |
| 12:52.36 | raboof | so we have unrar in non-free and unrar-free in main |
| 12:53.25 | bl4ckdu5t | themill, : I added this line -> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 12:53.35 | ws2k3 | when i do a copy of a 500 gb disk with only 7.2 gb on it will copy the entire 500 gb ? |
| 12:53.40 | ws2k3 | because dd uses blocks |
| 12:53.44 | DF3D2 | ChrisH: oh that dpkg bot says that since 7.2 it is included in the kernel, does this mean I can just use zpool import on a fresh debian install ? |
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| 12:55.37 | boudiccas | everytime i start MPD after rebooting it says'Cannot create RT messagebuffer thread: Operation not permitted (1) Retrying messagebuffer thread without RT scheduling Messagebuffer not realtime; consider enabling RT scheduling for user' but how do i do it please? |
| 12:55.38 | ChrisH | DF3D2: seems so. I checked on a 7.2 box, there is a zfs-fuse package |
| 12:56.12 | DF3D2 | ChrisH: but fuse indicates it is non native, and will probably have poor performance, dpkg made it sound like it is native in the kernel now |
| 12:56.44 | DF3D2 | The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils in squeeze. |
| 12:56.54 | DF3D2 | 7.2 is what release? |
| 12:57.07 | boudiccas | wheezy |
| 12:57.22 | DF3D2 | so does anyone know for sure is zfs native in wheezy or not? |
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| 12:57.46 | ChrisH | DF3D2: the bold explained its fuse |
| 12:57.52 | jelly | DF3D2: linux or kbsd? zfsonlinux is not there (yet) |
| 12:58.28 | DF3D2 | Basically i'm coming from freebsd, and just got sick of it so I want to go back to linux, but would prefer to keep using zfs, but in the past ive had nothing but issues with "fuse" |
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| 12:59.17 | jelly | DF3D2: there's a #zfsonlinux channel in freenode, at this point it's probably best to ask them about support for the kernel implementation |
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| 12:59.26 | DF3D2 | ok |
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| 13:01.28 | DF3D2 | http://zfsonlinux.org/debian.html |
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| 13:01.36 | DF3D2 | wondering if that is some native implementation or |
| 13:02.02 | timss | pengunix: Hi, I'm always online (but not always present). Did that fix it or something? |
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| 13:04.09 | chrisb | i build zfs with dkms, i think the license will prevent zfs from coming into the kernel source tree |
| 13:04.26 | chrisb | very similar to openafs/AFS situation |
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| 13:05.08 | chrisb | but i really need disk images with zfs support for rescue, and I don't know how to create them |
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| 13:06.01 | jelly | chrisb: I'd find zfs-dkms being in the distro totally acceptable |
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| 13:08.27 | gooptp | chrisb: did you try btrfs? |
| 13:08.39 | pengunix | timss: dpkg-reconfigure -a will ask all open questions, right? I did this command and I got also asked about pam default auth module (only one to pick, unix module, what I selected then). |
| 13:08.53 | pengunix | timss: when I redo dpkg-reconfigure, I get all those questions again. Doesn't it save them? |
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| 13:10.47 | chrisb | gooptp: no, i have not tried btrfs. i need a filesystem which spans gnu/linux, freebsd, win, and mac and only openafs and ZFS come close to filling that need |
| 13:10.48 | DF3D2 | well I guess ill install debian 7.2 later and see if I can get zfs working effectively |
| 13:11.10 | chrisb | DF3D2: zfsonlinux is limited to amd64 |
| 13:11.21 | DF3D2 | chrisb: thats fine, all my machines are 64bit |
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| 13:11.50 | DF3D2 | for a usb install can I just DD a cd image of 7.2 to a usb stick or do I need the live image ? |
| 13:12.31 | petern_ | Or copy or cat it. |
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| 13:12.52 | DF3D2 | so there is no specific img just for usb sticks is what i'm asking I guess. |
| 13:13.04 | themill | pengunix: the whole point of dpkg-reconfigure is to ask you the questions again |
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| 13:13.39 | themill | DF3D2: the installer images are iso-hybrid images for both optical media and usb sticks |
| 13:13.42 | pengunix | themill: ok, how can I be asked about _open_ questions actually? |
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| 13:14.25 | themill | what do you mean by "open question"? |
| 13:14.32 | DF3D2 | ftp://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/debian-cd/7.2.0-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-7.2-amd64-standard.iso.torrent |
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| 13:14.39 | DF3D2 | standard comes with no window manager I assume ? |
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| 13:14.48 | DF3D2 | I will prefer to install my own |
| 13:15.02 | themill | DF3D2: you probably want the installer not the live image. The installer installs what you ask it to. |
| 13:15.59 | DF3D2 | themill: hmm im not seeing one labeled as installer |
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| 13:16.22 | themill | DF3D2: start at www.debian.org ... |
| 13:16.23 | ChrisH | DF3D2: I did this http://zfsonlinux.org/debian.html way on a debian VM once and did import zfs files (Disk) created on Sparc-solaris (little vs. bigendian) worked very well. I did not do any performance tests |
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| 13:16.55 | timss | pengunix: -a is for all, so naturally it would ask them all again. What is the intention/problem? |
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| 13:17.10 | pengunix | themill: the debian system is bootstrapped (multistrap) and no skript config is done (yet). I want to get the questions which would normally asked during an installation. |
| 13:17.14 | timss | pengunix: there's also -u, --unseen-only, but I don't know what you're trying to do. |
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| 13:17.33 | gooptp | chrisb: is working with FUSE not a problem? I was scared of that blowing on me at one point! |
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| 13:18.07 | themill | pengunix: you're not using the installer so you're not going to get the questions that the installer asks you |
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| 13:18.45 | x-s4nd3r | guys, I got a problem startin' up Debian Wheezy XFCE. |
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| 13:18.51 | DF3D2 | themill: I did im not seeing it |
| 13:18.54 | x-s4nd3r | I just installed it yesterday, and everythin' mighty fine. |
| 13:18.57 | x-s4nd3r | now, when I am tryna boot it up. |
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| 13:19.05 | x-s4nd3r | the screen goes all fuckin' black. |
| 13:19.14 | timss | pengunix: If your system isn't a standard installation of Debian it changes quite a lot, and I think you should've said earlier if you haven't already.. |
| 13:19.15 | x-s4nd3r | I am pissed at this, can somebody help me. |
| 13:19.25 | x-s4nd3r | timss, help me you fucking 32bit bastard. |
| 13:19.33 | x-s4nd3r | I NEED MY FILES |
| 13:19.33 | timss | Can someone kick x-s4nd3r? |
| 13:19.41 | x-s4nd3r | timss, I just lost all my files you cunt. |
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| 13:19.56 | timss | (I don't know who he is) |
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| 13:20.15 | Woet | blinks |
| 13:20.25 | msafi | I'm trying to install Debian from a bootable ISO, but the installer tells me I need to install this file (iwlwifi-6000g2a-5.ucode) from removable media. How can I do that? |
| 13:20.30 | pengunix | timss: it is installed using multistrap with all required and important packages to be installed. |
| 13:20.57 | msafi | I mean my ISO is on a bootable USB... |
| 13:20.59 | themill | DF3D2: the enormous banner on the front page? Or any of the links under "Getting Debian"? |
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| 13:21.13 | DF3D2 | themill: the actual .iso or .img file dude |
| 13:21.14 | timss | pengunix: I haven't played too much around with that, but one would assume that is quite relevant. I don't have anything else to point out, sorry. Please keep me updated if you find out anything else! :) |
| 13:21.28 | DF3D2 | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
| 13:21.32 | DF3D2 | ???? |
| 13:21.39 | themill | DF3D2: no. |
| 13:21.52 | DF3D2 | no what |
| 13:22.12 | themill | Why do people insist on poking around file listings rather than reading nicely formatted pages with download links that explain what they need? |
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| 13:22.54 | DF3D2 | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
| 13:22.59 | DF3D2 | I click amd64 and it takes me here |
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| 13:23.10 | DF3D2 | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
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| 13:24.02 | themill | DF3D2: you can use those files to build your own images if you want, but I don't know why you don't just pick the premade iso images. |
| 13:24.16 | DF3D2 | themill: BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY ? |
| 13:24.53 | themill | DF3D2: really? http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd |
| 13:24.53 | pengunix | themill: well, the s/m directory is for pxe people :) |
| 13:25.20 | DF3D2 | themill: right then click amd64 under usb |
| 13:25.23 | DF3D2 | and tell me what happens |
| 13:25.26 | themill | *sigh* |
| 13:25.59 | DF3D2 | lol man i'm doing what you say and it takes me to those files |
| 13:26.02 | themill | perhaps I gave you a specific link to a specific section of that page for a reason |
| 13:26.14 | pengunix | yes |
| 13:26.15 | pengunix | !! |
| 13:26.16 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 13:26.31 | DF3D2 | themill: right so there is no premade usb version |
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| 13:27.07 | themill | DF3D2: [00:13] <themill> DF3D2: the installer images are iso-hybrid images for both optical media and usb sticks |
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| 13:27.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell DF3D2 -about firmware image |
| 13:27.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell DF3D2 -about installer firmware |
| 13:27.48 | DF3D2 | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd |
| 13:27.55 | babilen | DF3D2: yes, that link |
| 13:27.55 | DF3D2 | ON THAT PAGE IT SAYS TINY CD'S , USB STICKS |
| 13:28.03 | DF3D2 | WHEN I CLICK AMD64 IT DOESN'T TAKE ME TO SOMEWHERE I CAN DL A .ISO |
| 13:28.15 | themill | gives up |
| 13:28.23 | DF3D2 | give up then I don't really give a fuck |
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| 13:28.43 | babilen | DF3D2: Take a look at the section you've been lined to and please do not scream. It is understandable that you are under the impression that you want the "tiny" images, but it should have become apparent by now that this is not the case. |
| 13:29.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell DF3D2 -about hybrid images |
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| 13:29.25 | themill | DF3D2: feel free to let us know when you're ready to read the information provided and invest some time in this. We can't help people over IRC who aren't interested in helping themselves or aren't interested in reading things. |
| 13:29.30 | chrisb | oh my |
| 13:29.32 | timss | dpkg: -tell timss -about hybrid images |
| 13:29.33 | dpkg | no idea, timss |
| 13:29.34 | babilen | DF3D2: Please refrain from cursing and erratic comments in this channel. |
| 13:29.39 | timss | dpkg: tell timss -about hybrid images |
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| 13:29.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell timss -about selftell |
| 13:30.55 | raboof | well to be fair the wording of the headings ('Small CDs' vs 'Tiny CDs, USB sticks, etc.') does suggest you need the second for a usb stick... (and if your monitor is sufficiently large it's barely visible whether you're linking to #smallcd or #verysmall |
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| 13:31.15 | themill | there's also instructions there about how to use them if you want to do so |
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| 13:32.46 | babilen | It's also in the installation guide, but yes: The webpage could be improved. Massively. |
| 13:32.48 | pengunix | DF3D2: I think the anchor of the link he gave you http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd let you go to the end of page. You must click on the link amd64 at section 'Small CDs'. |
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| 13:33.05 | pengunix | DF3D2: you are muted on this channel obviously, you can pm me if you finally found it. |
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| 13:33.23 | pengunix | DF3D2: the anchor thing happens because there is not much to scrool. |
| 13:33.25 | pengunix | *scroll |
| 13:33.40 | mar77i | hello #debian. so... how is /etc/debian_version to be used? I just upgraded to testing and there's no more numerical result... |
| 13:33.53 | mar77i | or is there a better way to check the release? |
| 13:34.10 | timss | mar77i: /etc/os-release ? |
| 13:34.15 | mar77i | well... could be that it's testing. |
| 13:34.36 | themill | mar77i: only released versions have numbers there, yes. |
| 13:34.42 | ChrisH | mar77i: lsb_release -a |
| 13:34.43 | timss | It doesn't have a version number as far as I've understood; it has a name (jessie) |
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| 13:37.53 | raboof | anyway the netinst page sure could use some improvement - patches welcome I bet :) |
| 13:38.11 | themill | yep, everyone wants to redesign it and it never improves |
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| 13:38.29 | pengunix | yes |
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| 13:39.14 | pengunix | themill: it would be good to provide some generic / simple textfiles / link pages where also a script can easily pick the right iso up. |
| 13:39.31 | mar77i | cn=$(lsb_release -c | cut -d $'\t' -f 2) # it is, then. |
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| 13:39.37 | themill | pengunix: please do |
| 13:39.45 | themill | mar77i: what are you really trying to do here? |
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| 13:40.27 | mar77i | well, when I'm done testing this, I'll have the script ready for both version. |
| 13:40.43 | pengunix | themill: I don't know the internal process. When a new distribution is available, do they have to add its section on the page by hand? |
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| 13:40.59 | babilen | mar77i: What are you trying to do? There might be a better way to achieve whatever you are trying to achieve. |
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| 13:41.26 | themill | mar77i: testing for the version of debian is unlikely to be the correct thing to be doing -- you're probably better off testing for the actual functionality you want. (and what if lsb_release isn't installed?) |
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| 13:42.05 | mar77i | then debian isn't set up to my expectation. |
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| 13:42.31 | mar77i | in which case it's completely sane to break as w[Dell. |
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| 13:42.39 | themill | mar77i: what are you *really* trying to do here? |
| 13:42.56 | mar77i | what am I really trying to do here? bein an ass to whoever comes after me. |
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| 13:43.05 | pengunix | ?? |
| 13:43.38 | themill | *sigh* ESP over IRC seems to be mandatory tonight. |
| 13:44.15 | Penix | nothing's wrong. I *want* you to *want* to help me! |
| 13:44.31 | mar77i | Penix: does it help to help you? |
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| 13:45.12 | Kirk970 | hi |
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| 13:45.41 | Penix | mar77i: not if I can help it |
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| 13:46.39 | mar77i | so if it doesn't help to help you, why are you trying to help it not helping so helping you could be rewarding? |
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| 13:48.01 | Penix | luring me in to a maze of circular logic isn't helping |
| 13:48.10 | mar77i | qed. |
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| 13:48.12 | DF3D2 | woohoo |
| 13:48.15 | mentor | :) |
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| 13:49.33 | DF3D2 | anyway I have a laptop coming today from ups it has a ath9565 wifi chip in it, how can I find out how to make this work on debian |
| 13:49.52 | Penix | DF3D2: google. search for 'ath9565 debian' |
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| 13:50.17 | mar77i | Penix: actually, I just left out a bit there, so, if you would help it helping you helping you could be more rewarding than if you help it helping you wouldn't help. |
| 13:50.21 | Penix | DF3D2: if not Debian-specific, search for general Linux docs related to it |
| 13:50.52 | mentor | DF3D2: I believe those chips are supported natively in recent(?) Linux versions |
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| 13:51.15 | mentor | DF3D2: You may need to install firmware though |
| 13:51.19 | DF3D2 | hmm so i'll likely just be able to use infconfig to configure it ? |
| 13:51.26 | DF3D2 | ifconfig* |
| 13:51.46 | mar77i | >> last time I checked, iwconfig, if it's wifi. |
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| 13:52.36 | mentor | DF3D2: Connecting to a wireless LAN requires more steps, but it should work similarly to other distributions |
| 13:53.02 | DF3D2 | https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k#Installation |
| 13:53.06 | DF3D2 | cool ill try that |
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| 13:54.13 | babilen | DF3D2: Take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line and read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian + /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz |
| 13:54.41 | DF3D2 | I know how, but thanks |
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| 13:56.33 | DF3D2 | babilen: oh sorry wasnt paying attention , thought that was a general link to how to use the command line, thanks for that then. |
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| 13:58.37 | pengunix | oh, they all left now... |
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| 14:00.14 | DF3D2 | new laptop, first step : remove hdd with windows on it, step 2: install ssd/*nix |
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| 14:04.22 | DF3D2 | in the netinstall it has an option to install 'debian desktop environment' |
| 14:04.28 | DF3D2 | is that gnome or ? |
| 14:04.39 | abrotman | it can be anything you like, defaults to gnome |
| 14:04.47 | DF3D2 | I want i3 |
| 14:04.53 | abrotman | that's not a DE |
| 14:05.04 | DF3D2 | yeah i guess it's just a wm then |
| 14:05.08 | abrotman | so don't install a DE at all, wait til it's done, then install whatever WM you want |
| 14:05.10 | DF3D2 | so i'll just install xorg and stuff my self |
| 14:05.31 | abrotman | There is an entire installation guide that covers these things |
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| 14:08.37 | eblip | not sure but i think even the most minimum install installs the DE gnome |
| 14:08.46 | eblip | just install it and then change it after |
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| 14:09.01 | eblip | to a decent WM ...i recomend AWESOME WM |
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| 14:09.27 | DF3D2 | hrm did the install got no errors, but the machine is just stuck at "loading operating system" |
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| 14:10.13 | abrotman | eblip: no, that's not true |
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| 14:12.19 | eblip | AH ok abrotman |
| 14:12.29 | DF3D2 | so i guess ill just run the installer again |
| 14:12.33 | DF3D2 | no idea why it didn't work |
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| 14:19.54 | DF3D2 | okay so uhm yea I've done the install twice, no errors but on reboot my computer never boots anything |
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| 14:21.17 | klys | lilo or grub install, also is your partition marked active, also do you have an mbr (or grub) |
| 14:21.34 | DF3D2 | installed grub |
| 14:21.53 | DF3D2 | partioned using the graphical auto partitioner |
| 14:22.01 | klys | with lilo you need /etc/lilo.conf, with grub you have to do grub-install /dev/hda, test it with qemu |
| 14:22.21 | DF3D2 | im doing the graphical install, maybe the iso downloaded badly |
| 14:22.24 | DF3D2 | ill try remaking the stick |
| 14:22.58 | klys | back up your other os's mbr first with: dd if=/dev/sda of=part.bin bs=512 count=1 |
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| 14:23.16 | DF3D2 | klys: dont have any on this machine |
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| 14:23.24 | DF3D2 | I had alrdy whiped the disk, didn't need any files off it |
| 14:24.40 | DF3D2 | where can I find the md5 of the files |
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| 14:26.53 | klys | and after you do grub-install /dev/sda; xinit and run DISPLAY=:0 qemu-system-i386 -k en-us -boot c -drive file=/dev/sda,cache=none,index=0,media=disk; and when you get the grub menu do not select anything, just close qemu before it boots. |
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| 14:30.04 | DF3D2 | klys: the installer partitions + installs grub, shouldn't nothing else be necessary |
| 14:30.25 | klys | if qemu loads grub you can reboot. if not reconfigure grub. |
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| 14:32.27 | DF3D2 | klys: says xinit not found |
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| 14:33.23 | klys | can you start x, if not do: apt-get install xinit |
| 14:34.02 | DF3D2 | why am I telling this to install to disk /dev/sdd but it's installing grub to /dev/sda |
| 14:34.05 | DF3D2 | ........................ |
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| 14:35.35 | klys | if your disk shows up in dmesg of the kernel you installed as hdd, check if the ide-scsi module shows up in lsmod, also check if sda is the same as hdd |
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| 14:36.06 | klys | lsmod would actually show ide_scsi in that case. |
| 14:36.10 | DF3D2 | man |
| 14:36.13 | DF3D2 | this is stupid |
| 14:36.20 | DF3D2 | im using the auto partitioner man |
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| 14:37.33 | klys | if you just want to use hdd1 as the default make sure it shows up in /boot/grub/menu.lst as (hd1,0) and /dev/hdd1 in the kernel parameters in all the right places and in /etc/fstab. |
| 14:37.53 | DF3D2 | i cant boot the install to change any of that dude |
| 14:38.33 | DF3D2 | it keeps installing grub to /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdd |
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| 14:38.43 | klys | the ide_scsi module should take care of most of that |
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| 14:38.55 | DF3D2 | if i switch in the usb disk to a term and do grub-install /dev/sdd it says grub-install command not found |
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| 14:39.09 | DF3D2 | so what am I supposed to do |
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| 14:39.33 | klys | can you wget the grub package to your usb disk and unpack it with dpkg |
| 14:40.19 | klys | if you just want bootable grub there are several options, such as grub4dos. |
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| 14:41.19 | DF3D2 | klys: I just want to be able to boot the damn operating system |
| 14:41.25 | DF3D2 | i dont understand why the installer is so stupid |
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| 14:42.06 | klys | I would be giving bad advice if I said I knew whether the installer defaults to lilo or grub. |
| 14:42.06 | DF3D2 | so what do I have to do exactly please... |
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| 14:42.16 | DF3D2 | it deffaults to grub |
| 14:42.20 | DF3D2 | but it doesnt install on the right disk |
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| 14:42.50 | klys | you can only boot hda(1-4). |
| 14:43.35 | klys | so you may have to reconfigure your system. or the file /boot/grub/device.map |
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| 14:44.49 | DF3D2 | klys: that file has it listed as hd3 |
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| 14:44.54 | DF3D2 | so i dont understand the issue |
| 14:45.04 | DF3D2 | i need help installing grub to the correct disk |
| 14:45.18 | klys | getting to the mbr of (hd3) |
| 14:45.41 | klys | your system bios may not be able to reach (hd3) |
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| 14:46.01 | DF3D2 | ??? |
| 14:46.13 | klys | and the mbr (hd3)+1 will addume it is the mbr of (hd0) |
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| 14:46.25 | klys | *assume |
| 14:46.55 | DF3D2 | how do I get the grub-install command on the install disk |
| 14:46.58 | DF3D2 | so i can run it |
| 14:47.04 | klys | try alt+F2 |
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| 14:47.13 | DF3D2 | I am it says no command |
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| 14:47.27 | DF3D2 | grub-install: not found |
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| 14:47.43 | klys | if it's the debian-installer it usually has "execute a prompt" as an option. |
| 14:47.57 | klys | you may need the deb |
| 14:47.58 | DF3D2 | it's the small img |
| 14:48.12 | DF3D2 | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 14:48.18 | DF3D2 | the small amd 64 |
| 14:48.30 | DF3D2 | okay I have no idea how to get the deb man |
| 14:48.41 | klys | did it mount the install media or are you using initrd |
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| 14:49.21 | DF3D2 | klys: I have no idea im using a usb stick |
| 14:49.26 | klys | if it mounted the install media check the mount point with some tools like du, ls -R, or find |
| 14:49.39 | DF3D2 | the hdd I installed to is mounted /target |
| 14:49.44 | klys | you can see the active mount points with `mount' |
| 14:49.57 | mrmr | What's the root password for live xfce? |
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| 14:50.28 | klys | prolly something like $ sudo su |
| 14:50.44 | DF3D2 | klys: so how do I get grub-install |
| 14:50.50 | DF3D2 | so I can do it manually on the correct device |
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| 14:50.57 | klys | http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 14:51.01 | DF3D2 | that is what I need to know |
| 14:51.18 | eblip | is a tgz file the same as a tar.gz file |
| 14:51.21 | klys | search for the grub2 package |
| 14:51.33 | klys | yes, it is the same. |
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| 14:51.43 | eblip | can i just tar -xzvf file |
| 14:51.50 | mrmr | klys: thx, it workd |
| 14:52.00 | eblip | ah ok klys ill try it |
| 14:52.17 | klys | to extract, man tar, or tar zxpvf data.tar.gz |
| 14:53.00 | eblip | thanks |
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| 14:54.12 | DF3D2 | klys: dpkg not found |
| 14:54.17 | DF3D2 | man this is pointless |
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| 14:54.46 | klys | you might be looking at the initrd. |
| 14:55.09 | DF3D2 | idk what that means man |
| 14:55.15 | DF3D2 | maybe I should just go install something elsw |
| 14:55.24 | klys | it means the kernel booted, but did not mount root. |
| 14:55.44 | DF3D2 | I went through the full installer iot just installs grub to the wrong place |
| 14:55.48 | DF3D2 | and i dont have dpkg to install any d ebs |
| 14:55.52 | DF3D2 | so wtf am i supposed to do ? |
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| 14:56.24 | klys | it could also mean you are not logged in as root. to test this you can type: whoami |
| 14:56.24 | babilen | DF3D2: How did you create your usb stick? |
| 14:56.28 | eblip | ok i have unzipped the file and got another file |
| 14:56.36 | eblip | what do i do from there to install this thing |
| 14:56.37 | DF3D2 | babilen: dd from another machine |
| 14:56.43 | eblip | i tried sudo aptitude install on the file |
| 14:56.46 | eblip | and it didnt work |
| 14:56.50 | klys | actually I'm pretty sure you're stuck in the initrd. |
| 14:56.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell DF3D2 -about fixmbr |
| 14:57.23 | chrisb | is it a good time to ask why syslinux/extlinux isn't a boot manager option? |
| 14:57.50 | ctmjr | eblip: what are you trying to do |
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| 14:58.03 | klys | syslinux loads linux from a pseudo-dos disk. extlinux I have not heard of. |
| 14:58.21 | DF3D2 | babilen: thanks that worked |
| 14:58.28 | DF3D2 | why is the installer so worthless though ? |
| 14:58.55 | klys | because the default always used to be lilo. |
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| 15:00.32 | eblip | ctmjr trying to install soulseek |
| 15:00.33 | DF3D2 | klys: that makes no sense, the installer installs grub at the end |
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| 15:00.42 | DF3D2 | but not to the disk you tell it to partition in the beginning |
| 15:00.45 | DF3D2 | so it makes 0 sense |
| 15:00.51 | klys | that sounds like new stuff |
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| 15:01.12 | eblip | i think its ./configure |
| 15:01.14 | eblip | then make |
| 15:01.17 | eblip | then make install |
| 15:01.42 | mtn | DF3D2: the installer installs grub where it is told to install it, by default it goes to /dev/sda |
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| 15:01.59 | DF3D2 | mtn: it does not ask where to install it |
| 15:02.11 | mtn | DF3D2: there is an option to change it |
| 15:02.13 | DF3D2 | it simply asks whether to install it or not |
| 15:02.19 | DF3D2 | no, there isn't one |
| 15:02.21 | klys | if you install grub to /dev/sda, then /boot/grub should be within the first 504 MB of /dev/sda. |
| 15:02.24 | DF3D2 | i'm telling you |
| 15:02.27 | mtn | DF3D2: I mjust disagree |
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| 15:02.39 | DF3D2 | mtn: well I just went through the installer 4 times and I can read |
| 15:02.40 | eblip | hey i have just unzipped a gz file and it has produced another file..but the new file is not a directory |
| 15:02.41 | DF3D2 | so.... ya |
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| 15:02.49 | mtn | DF3D2: shrug |
| 15:03.13 | DF3D2 | mtn: in the beginning it asks which disk to install on, and related questions. the very last question it asks is WHETHER to install grub or not |
| 15:03.15 | DF3D2 | not where |
| 15:03.35 | klys | installing grub to a partition may have bugs. newer grub insists on installing to mbr and may or may not work otherwise. |
| 15:03.52 | Twinkletoes | using the find command and printf, is there any way to print the filename AFTER the printf stuff? |
| 15:04.03 | DF3D2 | the point is it never asks |
| 15:04.07 | DF3D2 | or i wouldn't have had this issue |
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| 15:05.01 | klys | bbl. |
| 15:05.22 | jhutchins | Twinkletoes: Installing to a partition only works with another chainloading bootloader. |
| 15:05.36 | Twinkletoes | jhutchins: wrong reply |
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| 15:06.18 | jhutchins | Twinkletoes: Sorry, my irssi colors love to put names in dark-blue-on-black. |
| 15:06.31 | Twinkletoes | jhutchins: haha :) |
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| 15:08.55 | chrisb | klys: extlinux is a derivative of syslinux which can install to ext[234] filesystems, and it works very, very, well |
| 15:09.46 | chrisb | klys: most third party rescue disks use it's iso derivative, isolinux |
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| 15:09.55 | jelly | also it's smaller and simpler than grub2, comparable to grub-legacy and lilo |
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| 15:13.06 | chrisb | jelly, i agree...but it is also much more powerful than lilo because it has modules which reside on the partition where part of the bootloader is installed |
| 15:13.44 | chrisb | those modules can do diagnostics, chainboot other partitions, etc |
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| 15:15.58 | TMonte87 | Is this the right place for support? |
| 15:16.23 | jelly | TMonte87: if you have Debian installed, yes! |
| 15:16.53 | TMonte87 | yes I am running debian on my server, I have a question in regards to FTP |
| 15:17.08 | TMonte87 | I am using vsftpd and I would like to try and set up directory access per user. |
| 15:17.21 | TMonte87 | I am having a difficult time doing this. |
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| 15:22.15 | klys | to me I think extlinux is then an indispensible artifact of the attempt to regain focus on linux given the bootloaders. |
| 15:23.00 | ChrisH | dpkg tell TMonte87 about vsftpd |
| 15:23.31 | TMonte87 | I have read the manual I am having a hard time wrapping my head around it |
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| 15:24.02 | ChrisH | TMonte87: Maybe the bot suggestion does help to get in touch with people having more experience with vsftpd |
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| 15:24.46 | TMonte87 | Their channel is lacking one on one support. I have been trying to resolve this issue for months now but, I never can receive the answer/help I am looking for. |
| 15:25.07 | linedash | hrm; found an old lenny box that needs a package update before I do the dist-upgrade next week.. Have grabbed the latest debian-archive-keyring but its moaning about an expired key |
| 15:25.15 | linedash | W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1356982504 |
| 15:25.24 | ChrisH | TMonte87: thats sad to hear. |
| 15:25.39 | TMonte87 | It is yes. |
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| 15:25.40 | linedash | google isn't being forthcoming - any suggestions for working around? |
| 15:26.04 | klys | why not proftpd |
| 15:26.33 | jhutchins | TMonte87: Unless you are thinking of one user per directory, use groups. |
| 15:26.48 | teraflops | but whats the issue? |
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| 15:27.03 | mar77i | linedash: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=95658 |
| 15:27.05 | jhutchins | linedash: Yes, that's because the key for the repository is expired. |
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| 15:27.27 | chrisb | klys: indispensible artifact? even syslinux was for helping people bootstrap linux starting with a only a windows PC and a modem |
| 15:27.32 | TMonte87 | jhutchins, here is an example. One directory User A is allowed 777 User B is allowed 775. |
| 15:27.37 | TMonte87 | Will groups allow this? |
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| 15:28.04 | klys | if linux can't learn to boot of their own disks all the bootloaders will learn to boot each other instead. |
| 15:28.10 | chrisb | klys: i am not sure what you mean by regain focus on linux given the bootloaders |
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| 15:28.47 | mar77i | and there's another google. http://www.curiousmentality.co.uk/2012/06/debian-apt-repos-not-found-switch-to-the-archive/ |
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| 15:29.11 | linedash | yeah; I'm using the archive and I've installed debian-archive-keychain |
| 15:29.27 | linedash | as jhutchins says, the key for the repo is expired |
| 15:29.47 | linedash | trying to find if there's an updated key or if there's a flag I can set to ignore that its expired |
| 15:30.03 | jhutchins | linedash: No updated key that I can find. |
| 15:30.15 | jhutchins | linedash: Should be a way to tell it not to check the key though. |
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| 15:30.52 | linedash | that's what I was hoping for, though I can't seem to find any obvious way |
| 15:31.09 | Xat` | ChrisH: thank about env variable in a perl script |
| 15:31.41 | Xat` | I learn we can do : [env] command [arg] |
| 15:32.25 | mar77i | linedash: apt-key list and apt-key del, I think |
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| 15:32.38 | mar77i | linedash: another google got me to this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=39489 |
| 15:32.49 | mar77i | SO MUCH GOOGLES! |
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| 15:34.44 | linedash | mar77i, already read most of them and they're not much help so far unfortunately |
| 15:35.45 | ChrisH | Xat`: you're welcome. |
| 15:36.06 | mar77i | linedash: did you try apt-key list and apt-key del? |
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| 15:38.05 | linedash | mar77i - deleting the keys isn't going to help matters if there is no replacement key - though I did for testing purposes |
| 15:38.20 | mar77i | what was the outcome? |
| 15:38.22 | linedash | I either need an updated key (which doesn't seem to exist) or a way of telling apt to ignore that the key is expired |
| 15:38.54 | linedash | the outcome is that apt-get update complains that you don't have the key - so you nab and install the key and it complains that its expired |
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| 15:39.05 | linedash | as one would expect |
| 15:39.13 | xreal | Why is judd-cli missing "checkbackports" ? |
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| 15:39.45 | mar77i | linedash: what does the manpage of apt-key say on such matters? |
| 15:39.58 | linedash | it doesn't :) |
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| 15:40.20 | linedash | I have at least tried the obvious steps |
| 15:40.46 | babilen | xreal: checkbackport is a pretty new feature and probably hasn't been implemented yet |
| 15:41.10 | xreal | babilen: it's the best feature (in my opinion) |
| 15:41.44 | xreal | babilen: I think, I'll spend some time on this weekend to debug the IRC code. Perhaps I can write my own code for checkbackport. |
| 15:42.50 | mar77i | linedash: so, man gpg has a few options regarding expiration of keys. I suggest you'd try ##?gpg |
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| 15:48.21 | ws2k3 | hello in my linux i have an sda2(extended partition) i wanne make software raid but thats not possible with an extended partition |
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| 15:48.57 | ws2k3 | but i have no idea why i have that partition /dev/sdb2 9655 10165 4097024 5 Extended can i just delete it ? |
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| 15:49.37 | peterS | ws2k3: most likely it contains at least one logical drive, sdb5, sdb6, ... so unless you want to delete _those_, don't delete sdb2 |
| 15:49.59 | ws2k3 | how can i find out if it does |
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| 15:50.16 | ws2k3 | because this system is just only a very basic OS nothing further |
| 15:50.18 | peterS | does sdb5 exist? if so, it is inside an extended partition. |
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| 15:50.29 | ws2k3 | yes sda5 exsists |
| 15:50.38 | peterS | eh, I asked about sdb5 |
| 15:50.56 | ws2k3 | hmm ok.. i currently only have sda |
| 15:51.08 | TMonte87 | I am getting an error when trying to install ACL, Depends: libacl1 (= 2.2.51-8) but 2.2.52-1 is to be installed. How can I fix this? |
| 15:51.09 | ws2k3 | well both disks are teh same so its not relevant |
| 15:51.19 | peterS | wait, if you you only have sda then why ask about sdb2 |
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| 15:51.36 | ws2k3 | both disks are the same |
| 15:51.38 | substr_sql | hmm |
| 15:51.44 | peterS | so you're saying you _do_ have sdb5 |
| 15:51.52 | ws2k3 | yes i do |
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| 15:52.02 | peterS | if you do, then it is inside an extended partition |
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| 15:52.05 | substr_sql | had no time to update my server.. LOL |
| 15:52.15 | ws2k3 | okay how can i find out why i have sda5 |
| 15:52.16 | ChrisH | ,v libacl1 |
| 15:52.17 | judd | Package: libacl1 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.2.49-4; wheezy: 2.2.51-8; jessie: 2.2.52-1; sid: 2.2.52-1 |
| 15:52.21 | ws2k3 | because i dont see any reason for it |
| 15:52.40 | ws2k3 | my /boot and os is on sdb1 |
| 15:52.42 | peterS | I can't answer a "why" question. Why do I have a partition? because someone or something created the partition. |
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| 15:52.45 | ws2k3 | i dont have swap |
| 15:52.48 | ChrisH | TMonte87: looks like you are trying to mix wheezy and jessie somehow |
| 15:53.09 | mtn | ws2k3: who set up your partitions? |
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| 15:53.33 | ws2k3 | former employee |
| 15:53.49 | BALTA000 | cual es el canal de debian español? |
| 15:53.52 | ws2k3 | i see that sda5 was my swap and was creating duing the installation |
| 15:54.06 | ws2k3 | i can see that in my fstab |
| 15:54.09 | ws2k3 | its commented |
| 15:54.10 | mtn | ws2k3: you don't have any techies employed now? best get some ;) |
| 15:55.01 | ws2k3 | ah okay |
| 15:55.04 | BALTA000 | !es BALTA000 |
| 15:55.05 | dpkg | BALTA000: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 15:55.13 | TMonte87 | ChrisH, fixable? |
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| 15:56.23 | DF3D2_ | I installed the alsa/pulse audio stuff but if I try to run alsamixer it just hangs at the terminal, nothing opens? |
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| 15:59.44 | substr_sql | in debian, if I want to upgrade specific package only, what command should I use? |
| 15:59.56 | substr_sql | it seems like apt-get upgrade <name> doesn't work.. |
| 15:59.59 | daemonkeeper | apt-get install |
| 16:00.06 | substr_sql | oh... |
| 16:00.31 | DF3D2_ | with pavucontrol i'm getting "can't connect to pulse audio" it is running though, but it says configured for per user sessions (warning) |
| 16:00.35 | DF3D2_ | not sure what that means |
| 16:01.50 | ws2k3 | which partition type should i use for swap? |
| 16:02.00 | ws2k3 | Linux or Linux swap |
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| 16:02.25 | raboof | 'Linux swap' :) |
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| 16:05.02 | ws2k3 | can i copy sda1 to sda3? |
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| 16:05.35 | jhutchins | substr_sql: "doesn't work" is not very helpful for troubleshooting. |
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| 16:07.44 | DF3D2_ | okay so my usb dac shows up in alsamixer but not in pavucontrol |
| 16:07.54 | DF3D2_ | what can I do about this, it doesn't show up under pacmd list-sinks either |
| 16:08.04 | ws2k3 | how big should a /boot partition be ? |
| 16:09.42 | ChrisH | TMonte87: fix your sources.list and check apt-cache policy libacl1 before |
| 16:09.45 | JRandolph | I think I have a gif for /boot |
| 16:09.47 | JRandolph | gig |
| 16:10.26 | ws2k3 | how can i set a partition bootable ? |
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| 16:11.31 | JRandolph | ws2k3: inside fdisk? |
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| 16:12.26 | ws2k3 | does /boot allways has to be the first partition? |
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| 16:13.06 | ws2k3 | and secondly when using software raid do i need a seperate partition for /boot or is it okay if that is on the / disk? |
| 16:13.08 | msafi__ | Hi. I just installed debian and now I want to install this package http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gpointing-device-settings but when I do apt-get install gpointing-device-settings it says I'm not in the sudeors file |
| 16:13.21 | msafi__ | Could someone please tell me how to install the package? |
| 16:14.08 | zykotick9 | msafi__: be sure sudo is installed, then add your user to the sudo group, log out/backin - should work |
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| 16:14.32 | _0bitcount | No need to log out. |
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| 16:16.15 | msafi__ | How can I check if sudo is installed? |
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| 16:16.19 | jhutchins | _0bitcount: Need to log out to apply new group. |
| 16:16.20 | msafi__ | Or how do I install it? |
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| 16:16.26 | ws2k3 | apt-get install sudo |
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| 16:16.35 | zykotick9 | _0bitcount: if you change group membership - it rather is... |
| 16:16.41 | jhutchins | msafi__: dpkg -l sudo |
| 16:17.07 | _0bitcount | jhutchins, oh, with new group addition. I missed that. I thought about using visudo. |
| 16:17.18 | msafi__ | Looks like I have it. |
| 16:17.32 | msafi__ | But I do "adduser mk sudo" and it doesn't work... |
| 16:17.45 | JRandolph | moduser mk -G sudo |
| 16:17.47 | jhutchins | msafi__: Did you log out & log back in? |
| 16:17.48 | zykotick9 | msafi__: are you root when you do that? |
| 16:17.49 | JRandolph | or usermod |
| 16:17.59 | Freeaqingme | If I select the 'install common system utilities' in the debian installer; what package is installed? (I assume there's 1 package that has a lot of deps) |
| 16:18.20 | msafi__ | Not yet. It says "adduser" command not found. Once I've added my self I'll relogin |
| 16:18.43 | jhutchins | msafi__: That's because you're not root. |
| 16:19.07 | msafi__ | Oh, I will open the other terminal then that says "root terminal" |
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| 16:19.39 | linedash | Freeaqingme, it'll prob be a metapackage of some kind that references a bunch of other packages - not sure which one though I'm afraid |
| 16:19.40 | JRandolph | msafi__: That will work |
| 16:19.44 | msafi__ | Through which I guess I can install my package directly. I don't have to configure sudo now... |
| 16:19.57 | JRandolph | msafi__: that's true |
| 16:20.22 | JRandolph | msafi__: but sudo is good to have if you're need root a lot |
| 16:20.32 | JRandolph | and it's easy to set up |
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| 16:22.01 | linedash | Freeaqingme, I just checked my initial apt history log for the OS install and there's no package with common in the name that looks obvious |
| 16:22.15 | DF3D2_ | okay so my usb dac shows up in alsamixer but not in pavucontrol -- pulse audio keeps crashing. I have no idea what i'm doing please help-- tried google not sure what the issue is. |
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| 16:23.40 | Freeaqingme | linedash, thanks |
| 16:23.45 | Freeaqingme | I'll make some diff for it then some itme |
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| 16:26.30 | zykotick9 | Freeaqingme: i was trying to figure it out as well, using "apt-cache search task- | grep FOO" and i'm not sure what that "common system utilties" task is either... good luck. |
| 16:26.31 | msoa | Hello |
| 16:26.31 | msoa | What reason CPanel can not install on Debian? |
| 16:26.49 | DF3D2_ | okay so my usb dac shows up in alsamixer but not in pavucontrol -- pulse audio keeps crashing. I have no idea what i'm doing please help-- tried google not sure what the issue is. |
| 16:26.51 | zykotick9 | msoa: non-free (i believe) |
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| 16:27.42 | msoa | zykotick9: Is there license conflict? |
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| 16:27.55 | zykotick9 | msoa: oh, i thought you where asking why it's not included... sorry. why it can't be installed - i have no idea. |
| 16:28.16 | msafi__ | Can I edit files from the GUI as root? |
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| 16:28.58 | zykotick9 | msafi__: "gksudo gedit foo" would be one way. |
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| 16:34.11 | TMonte87 | Ok I am going to try setfacl on my directory that I would like to moderate per users/group |
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| 16:34.48 | TMonte87 | when I do a getfacl on the directory it shows as this group:god:rwx |
| 16:35.22 | TMonte87 | user in group "god" still does not have rwx throughout the folder. |
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| 16:37.51 | TMonte87 | I did not setfacl recursively |
| 16:37.53 | TMonte87 | :) |
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| 16:43.38 | movedx | Am I right in saying that an Apt repository has a Release.gpg file which contains the public key used to verify the signature on packages? And 'apt-get ...' will check this file and use it to verify signatures? And it grabs it from the repository? |
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| 16:44.48 | jordanm | movedx: I think the Release.gpg is just used to sign to the release file |
| 16:45.03 | jordanm | movedx: signatures on the packages are checked using apt's keyring |
| 16:45.37 | movedx | jordanm: That makes sense, but it's annoying. I have systems that don't have internet access, so I can import the public keys |
| 16:46.25 | movedx | can't* |
| 16:47.20 | TMonte87 | Ok I am getting somewhere but here is my next roadblock, when user A creates a file/folder in 'shared' directory the setfacl does not get applied to said folder. is there a way to have setfacl set on every new/file folder within the directory? |
| 16:47.48 | movedx | Use -d when defining the rule |
| 16:47.56 | movedx | setfacl -dm ... |
| 16:48.05 | movedx | And set it on the root folder. |
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| 16:55.09 | TMonte87 | thank you movedx that worked! |
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| 16:56.45 | jhutchins | !apt-offline |
| 16:56.45 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html . Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>. |
| 16:58.02 | movedx | TMonte87: You're welcome |
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| 16:58.58 | movedx | jhutchins: Not sure if that was aimed at me, or? |
| 16:59.13 | movedx | jordanm: I am going to export the keys from a server that does have them, then import them to each server I work on. |
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| 17:04.21 | daswort | has LVM an integrated RAID 5 function? Or do i need to setup LVM ontop on a RAID5? (debian 7) |
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| 17:05.03 | Xat` | I don't think LVM handle RAID5 |
| 17:05.06 | Xat` | I have to go sorry |
| 17:05.08 | Xat` | by |
| 17:05.10 | Xat` | bye* |
| 17:05.19 | jhutchins | daswort: That would be an option, but I'd just avoid lvm. |
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| 17:08.09 | Cira | how exactly do I view the boot messages once the system has booted up? |
| 17:09.10 | jhutchins | Cira: You can enable the bootlog, and you can do dmesg | less, but I don't know of any way to capture the actual messages displayed at boot. |
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| 17:09.58 | Cira | they go by so fast, I have trouble seeing, let alone memorizing what Im interested in |
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| 17:11.27 | jhutchins | Cira: Yup. |
| 17:11.28 | felipebalbi | hey, anybody else having troubles installing i386 openjdk under amd64 ? (multiarch) |
| 17:11.33 | felipebalbi | oh yeah, on Sid heh |
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| 17:11.53 | jhutchins | Cira: You can try the pause key, and you can actually shift-PageUp, but you run out of buffer. |
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| 17:12.35 | jhutchins | felipebalbi: Much as I hate to encourage people to run Sid, you can probably get some help at #debian-next on oftc.net. |
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| 17:13.22 | felipebalbi | jhutchins: been using sid for the last 15 years or so ;-) let me checkout debian-next |
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| 17:19.45 | Cira | jhutchins: thanks... I guess it'll have to do |
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| 17:20.34 | DF3D2 | i'm using aplay -l to find my sound device, it appears to be 2,0 but cant seem to get any sound out of it |
| 17:21.25 | drybjed | in postgresql.conf, when a setting is commented out, it's default value is implied to be active? |
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| 17:22.45 | jordanm | drybjed: that's the way most configurations work |
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| 17:24.09 | drybjed | jordanm: that means that I could uncomment everything (setting default values) and server would still work correctly? |
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| 17:24.40 | DF3D2 | i'm using aplay -l to find my sound device, it appears to be 2,0 but cant seem to get any sound out of it |
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| 17:24.49 | jordanm | drybjed: try it and see? everything may not have a default value |
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| 17:25.43 | DF3D2 | ughhhhh I need help please :-( |
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| 17:28.19 | marcidy | DF3D2: post the output on paste.bin, someone might help. also would suggest pasting results from pacmd info if you are using pulseaudio |
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| 17:29.03 | jhutchins | drybjed: Depends on the service. |
| 17:29.17 | jhutchins | drybjed: Some can run with all default settings, others need site-specific information. |
| 17:29.43 | marcidy | DF3D2: and to state the obvious, check levels with alsamixer if you haven't already |
| 17:29.46 | jhutchins | drybjed: It has become a convention for the config file to list the options with their default settings, commented out. |
| 17:30.00 | jhutchins | drybjed: Other services have a list of default settings in a /usr/share/doc/ file. |
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| 17:30.27 | jhutchins | drybjed: mysql comes with several example settings files, but will run on defaults alone. |
| 17:30.40 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 17:30.40 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 17:32.35 | DF3D2 | marcidy: http://paste.debian.net/69701 |
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| 17:33.52 | shagelit1 | Greetings, debian. I folowed a tutorial to instal a proper wine install. It started by running this comand sudo apt-get remove --purge wine*. In return, i got (sigh ...) this http://pastebin.com/nJv4rN9Q. Does what i think actually happend ? |
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| 17:35.39 | DF3D2 | marcidy: my usb audio device shows up in aplay -L but not in pulse audio |
| 17:37.10 | marcidy | DF3D2: that's your problem then. If pulse doesn't see it, it can't route audio to it. have you tried any solution from google? |
| 17:37.25 | DF3D2 | marcidy: i'm not sure what to try |
| 17:37.29 | marcidy | DF3D2: well, it's one problem |
| 17:38.03 | marcidy | DF3D2: ok, check what jhutchins posed about alsa checklist above |
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| 17:38.46 | DF3D2 | i can't run alsamixer most of the time, says it cant connect |
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| 17:39.33 | marcidy | DF3D2: run through the checklist above. maybe you are not part of audio group. |
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| 17:40.11 | DF3D2 | marcidy: just checked, I am |
| 17:40.48 | marcidy | DF3D2: and if you can, try any native sound ports you have access to to isolate the issue to your USB speakers |
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| 17:42.38 | DF3D2 | marcidy: it's a usb audio DAC so it should be plug and play, it was on freebsd when I used it with OSS |
| 17:43.00 | guest43242 | how to delay disk writes? |
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| 17:44.01 | DF3D2 | marcidy: something is very wrong, like pulse audo keeps crashing, and this is a fresh install too |
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| 17:47.20 | DF3D2 | that wav file says it plays but I hear no sound |
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| 17:49.22 | DF3D2 | oh well guess it's not gonna happen |
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| 17:52.01 | DF3D2 | this is why i stopped using linux awhile ago, the audio stack is horrible |
| 17:52.10 | DF3D2 | on freebsd with OSS it just works, plug and play |
| 17:52.26 | DF3D2 | ill go back to that, less headaches |
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| 17:53.18 | jordanm | the sound stack is horrible. alsa has an OSS module but it's just used for compatibility |
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| 17:53.47 | jordanm | pulseaudio shouldn't crash though |
| 17:53.59 | DF3D2 | well it does, and im on a fresh install |
| 17:54.02 | jordanm | DF3D2: what version of debian? can you paste the errors from pulse? |
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| 17:54.14 | DF3D2 | jordanm: 7.2 |
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| 17:55.16 | DF3D2 | jordanm: meh forget it im just gonna reinstall freebsd 9.2 |
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| 17:55.35 | DF3D2 | i dont feel like beating my head against a wall to figure it out anymore when it will just work in freebsd |
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| 17:56.37 | jordanm | DF3D2: makes sense. use what works for you |
| 17:57.13 | jordanm | you can also try the kfreebsd port of debian, but I am not sure how "working" it is |
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| 17:58.17 | DF3D2 | jordanm: no thanks :-) |
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| 18:04.20 | corvobianco | SaLvE A TuTTi Di #debian |
| 18:04.33 | corvobianco | !list |
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| 18:06.24 | dpkg | corvobianco: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 18:07.30 | guest43242 | how to delay disk writes? |
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| 18:10.44 | tremon | guest43242: you can't. If you mean "how to decrease disk flush frequency?", search the internet for hints on tuning the linux vm subsystem |
| 18:11.28 | guest43242 | k |
| 18:11.30 | peterrooney | guest43242: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 18:11.55 | guest43242 | I try to make my HD spin down |
| 18:12.05 | guest43242 | and remain down for long time |
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| 18:12.20 | guest43242 | ideally , |
| 18:12.32 | guest43242 | I would have a button to tell it when to write |
| 18:12.46 | guest43242 | and then it will sync |
| 18:13.06 | tremon | then use an overlayfs in ram |
| 18:13.11 | guest43242 | or sync once in 10 minutes and spindown after |
| 18:13.59 | guest43242 | reading |
| 18:14.27 | tremon | linux will not spin up your disks if there's nothing to write. Best thing you can do is to kill all disk-writing applications. |
| 18:14.52 | tremon | And use laptop mode. It will trigger a writeout every time the disk spins up for a read request |
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| 18:15.25 | chrisb | what determines which repo in sources.list is preferred? |
| 18:16.31 | tremon | chrisb: its priority. See the output of apt-cache policy and read up on apt pinning |
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| 18:17.00 | SerajewelKS | why would smem output nothing at all? i am root, but for some reason smem doesn't seem to see anything. |
| 18:17.07 | SerajewelKS | it outputs the header row and then nothing |
| 18:17.18 | zykotick9 | chrisb: it's not a situtation you ideally want to be in... mixing binary repos isn't the best idea... |
| 18:17.21 | guest43242 | tremon, I see jbd2 frequently in iotop |
| 18:18.28 | guest43242 | and iceweasel |
| 18:18.38 | tremon | guest43242: jbd2 is a kernel thread, it's the journal writer for ext3 and ext4. It's probably because some other process is writing |
| 18:18.40 | guest43242 | and gnome-terminal-server |
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| 18:19.11 | guest43242 | I want the write to remain in RAM and synced later |
| 18:19.13 | chrisb | i have a local network repo on AFS which i want to prefer for "main" and then have another distant repo with "main contrib non-free" |
| 18:19.56 | tremon | guest43242: make a wrapper script for iceweasel that copies your profile folder to a tmpfs, then syncs it back after iceweasel closes |
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| 18:20.24 | guest43242 | I think that there is a more general solution |
| 18:20.35 | kunwon1 | hello i'm installing debian using a usb stick made with unetbootin, and the instructions here https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid - at Step 8, it says to go to 'advanced options' but i don't have that menu entry, only 'default' which starts the installation over again - any suggestions? |
| 18:20.41 | guest43242 | like a cache for the HD |
| 18:20.57 | tremon | chrisb: all other things being equal apt will always prefer the first url listed |
| 18:21.39 | chrisb | tremon: i am *not* seeing that behavior |
| 18:22.12 | tremon | guest43242: there isn't. Disk write persistence is a very useful feature, you won't find many tools that subvert that behaviour |
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| 18:22.40 | SerajewelKS | guest43242: the journal write can't really be delayed without the possibility of filesystem corruption |
| 18:22.43 | guest43242 | I found now dm-cache, reading to see if it is usufull for me |
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| 18:22.58 | tremon | chrisb: ok, let me rephrase: all other things being equal, apt should always prefer the first url listed |
| 18:23.10 | SerajewelKS | guest43242: using a tmpfs is probably the right solution |
| 18:23.11 | guest43242 | SerajewelKS, yes it can, if the write to HD are also delayed |
| 18:23.35 | guest43242 | SerajewelKS, although the order of writes should be preserved |
| 18:23.54 | SerajewelKS | guest43242: it can, but telling the filesystem driver to delay writes to some files but others is not likely to be a good idea... unless i misunderstand what you want to do |
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| 18:24.38 | chrisb | uses unburden-home-dir to steer cache writes to /tmp on tmpfs in RAM |
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| 18:25.12 | guest43242 | SerajewelKS, I just want these noisy drives to quiet down. I am willing to pay loosing 5 minutes work in case of power failure |
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| 18:25.42 | SerajewelKS | guest43242: you'd be better off finding the source of the disk writes and tweaking the behavior there |
| 18:25.48 | chrisb | so unburden-home-dir may help |
| 18:25.50 | SerajewelKS | guest43242: for example, disabling the on-disk cache in your web browser |
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| 18:26.28 | guest43242 | but there are many programs, I don't want to work for each program seperatly if I can solve the problem at its source |
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| 18:27.05 | SerajewelKS | the source is all of the programs that are accessing the disk |
| 18:27.18 | chrisb | guest43242: unburden-home-dir has one config file which sets all of it up for you |
| 18:27.29 | guest43242 | no, the source is the fs that sync to often |
| 18:28.00 | guest43242 | chrisb I'll check it out |
| 18:28.08 | SerajewelKS | i think you have a different definition of "sync" |
| 18:28.13 | SerajewelKS | even a buffered write can cause disk activity |
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| 18:28.35 | guest43242 | I dont mind the activity, just the write to the disk I mind SerajewelKS |
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| 18:28.56 | guest43242 | the disk being the noisy thingy that spin up |
| 18:29.11 | guest43242 | and not some ram buffer |
| 18:29.19 | guest43242 | I want it to be in ram buffer |
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| 18:29.34 | SerajewelKS | right but ultimately you only have so much control over that. even if a program doesn't force a sync, the OS will force a sync after a few seconds. |
| 18:29.49 | SerajewelKS | and you still have disk *reads* to worry about too |
| 18:30.05 | guest43242 | reads are cached |
| 18:30.14 | SerajewelKS | sure |
| 18:30.29 | SerajewelKS | until the memory is reclaimed for something else, or you go to read an uncached block, etc. |
| 18:30.31 | guest43242 | so the disk might not need to activate |
| 18:30.43 | guest43242 | sure |
| 18:30.50 | guest43242 | I understand that |
| 18:30.53 | SerajewelKS | but there is only so much you can do about writes |
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| 18:31.09 | SerajewelKS | better to deal with them at the source of the write instead of trying to put a blanket "cache all writes for 5 minutes" policy in place |
| 18:31.09 | guest43242 | I think I had one setup like that before |
| 18:31.16 | guest43242 | I just can't remember what I did |
| 18:31.29 | guest43242 | It synced only every few minutes |
| 18:31.54 | guest43242 | better is a subjective term |
| 18:32.01 | guest43242 | I prefer a balnket |
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| 18:32.56 | SerajewelKS | i'm not aware of any mechanism to do what you are asking |
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| 18:33.21 | guest43242 | I am sure there is one, as I have used it before, I just can't remember |
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| 18:35.42 | chrisb | tune2fs -E mmp_update_interval=300 /dev/<your partition> |
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| 18:38.11 | chrisb | no, mmp isn't a factor |
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| 18:44.07 | guest43242 | chrisb I think it works, but need more time to be sure |
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| 18:47.16 | kunwon1 | i guess unetbootin isn't a good way to create usb install media, just copying the netinst iso directly onto the usb stick solved my problem |
| 18:47.25 | kunwon1 | unetbootin seems to oversimplify things, gets rid of the advanced options |
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| 18:48.33 | guest43242 | I can say it doesn't spin back up after 5 seconds as it was before |
| 18:48.33 | rryoumaa | how do you change the font in boswars?" |
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| 18:52.12 | Freeaqingme | zykotick9, tnx #slow |
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| 18:52.47 | Freeaqingme | eblip, tango echo sierra tango received, over. |
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| 18:53.02 | eblip | over and out |
| 18:53.16 | eblip | just port forwarding and it messed a few things up |
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| 18:56.51 | rryoumaa | how do you change the font in triplea (or boswars)? |
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| 19:00.37 | rryoumaa | how do you change the font in freeciv (or tripleaor boswars)? |
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| 19:14.18 | lfs_ | How do I find out that which was upgraded in my latest upgrade? |
| 19:14.37 | lfs_ | THe upgrade broke one of my programs. |
| 19:15.21 | lfs_ | Or how do I find my Java version that is running? |
| 19:15.53 | mtn | lfs_: your logs are in /var/log |
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| 19:16.55 | tremon | lfs_: try java -version |
| 19:17.42 | lfs_ | It says I have 64 bit version. |
| 19:17.58 | lfs_ | IS there some way to find out if that was recently replaced. |
| 19:18.16 | mtn | lfs_: your logs are in /var/log/apt to be precise |
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| 19:18.41 | tremon | and also in /var/log/dpkg, to be complete ;) |
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| 19:19.27 | lfs_ | lfs@Delfs@Debian:/var/log$ cat /var/log/dpkg |
| 19:19.27 | lfs_ | cat: /var/log/dpkg: No such file or directory |
| 19:19.27 | lfs_ | bian:/var/log$ cat /var/log/dpkg |
| 19:19.27 | lfs_ | cat: /var/log/dpkg: No such file or directory |
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| 19:20.07 | lfs_ | cat: /var/log/dpkg: No such file or directory |
| 19:20.42 | tremon | lfs_: try tab completion |
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| 19:22.02 | ftpmget | . |
| 19:22.29 | lfs_ | I got history.log |
| 19:22.47 | lfs_ | Not so simple figuring out my previous version of Java |
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| 19:26.17 | tremon | that's why I prefer to grep through dpkg.log instead |
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| 19:26.45 | lfs_ | Where is dpkg.log |
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| 19:27.14 | Nik05 | lfs_ /var/log somewhere |
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| 19:29.34 | lfs_ | I ran cat dpkg.log but |
| 19:29.48 | lfs_ | it doesn't go back far enough to show what was replaced. |
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| 19:30.39 | babilen | lfs_: You should have multiple log files (rotated by logrotate) |
| 19:31.17 | rryoumaa | lfs_: etckeeper for the future |
| 19:31.36 | rryoumaa | a little different though |
| 19:32.26 | hikenboot | I am trying to find a working link for downloading debian-5 anyone able to help? |
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| 19:33.53 | ftpmget | @hikenboot: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ |
| 19:34.07 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell hikenboot about lenny iso |
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| 19:34.42 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell hikenboot about lenny sources.list |
| 19:34.45 | hikenboot | I click on those links ftpmget to actually download and it says not found |
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| 19:35.06 | jelly-home | hikenboot: read what dpkg, the bot, told you in private messages |
| 19:35.59 | ftpmget | @hikenboot: i just clicked for debian-5010-i386-CD-1.iso and it is working... |
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| 19:36.03 | hikenboot | ok thanks |
| 19:36.06 | jelly-home | hikenboot: I just clicked on the i386 netinst image and it worked |
| 19:36.18 | ftpmget | hahah |
| 19:36.30 | jelly-home | netinst > ftpmget (except in size!) |
| 19:36.36 | lfs_ | gzip: dpkg.log.12.gz: Permission denied |
| 19:36.43 | lfs_ | Why is that? |
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| 19:37.00 | jelly-home | lfs_: what was the exact command you ran? |
| 19:37.02 | lfs_ | I can look at dpkg.log as user? |
| 19:37.16 | lfs_ | zcat dpkg.log.12 |
| 19:37.21 | jelly-home | lfs_: zless /var/log/dpkg.log.12.gz |
| 19:37.29 | lfs_ | ty |
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| 19:38.32 | lfs_ | same problem. |
| 19:38.57 | lfs_ | So I need to be root? |
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| 19:39.23 | jelly-home | lfs_: what does ls -ld /var/log/dpkg.log.12.gz say? |
| 19:40.01 | lfs_ | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 4782 May 9 2010 /var/log/dpkg.log.12.gz |
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| 19:41.08 | jelly-home | lfs_: the user will have to be a member of group adm |
| 19:41.24 | jelly-home | or root, yes |
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| 19:42.15 | lfs_ | dpkg.log is also owned by root. but I can look at it. |
| 19:42.51 | lfs_ | zcat is safe as root? |
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| 19:43.14 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 19:43.20 | jelly-home | zless, too |
| 19:43.53 | lfs_ | I wonder why it is designed this way. |
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| 19:45.19 | narhen | lfs_, what do you mean "zcat is safe as root"? |
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| 19:45.31 | jelly-home | lfs_: some of the information in the logs might be sensitive in a multi-user environment |
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| 19:46.10 | lfs_ | safe to read log files |
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| 19:46.44 | lfs_ | I understand that but a user is allowed to run cat on the files |
| 19:46.55 | hikenboot | jelly-home, thanks but I wanted the full dvd or the cd's as a second choice |
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| 19:47.05 | jelly-home | lfs_: if they can't zcat, they can't cat either |
| 19:47.20 | lfs_ | I can cat dpkg.log |
| 19:47.27 | narhen | than you have read permissions to it |
| 19:47.39 | jelly-home | lfs_: that means its |
| 19:47.53 | jelly-home | permissions are different, and not consistent with the rotated files |
| 19:48.22 | lfs_ | I cant cat the gz files so perhaps you are right. |
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| 19:48.35 | jelly-home | use ls -l for great justice |
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| 19:49.07 | hikenboot | jelly-home you might not be able to give me the same luck with debian 2? |
| 19:49.37 | jelly-home | hikenboot: there were no iso images at that time. |
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| 19:50.07 | jelly-home | hikenboot: why do you need Debian 2.0? |
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| 19:54.08 | hikenboot | jelly-home, I have a small program that used to run on debian 2 its got some packages that dont seem to exist on the newer distributions |
| 19:54.22 | hikenboot | I just have to run this application once |
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| 19:54.30 | h2mster | hi |
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| 19:59.26 | wols_ | hikenboot: debian 2? hamm from 15 years ago? |
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| 20:00.00 | hikenboot | yes its a mneumonics encoding program |
| 20:00.52 | wols_ | and how is it not working exactly? what command do you run and what is its output? |
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| 20:01.32 | hikenboot | it takes a dictionary as input and outputs a numerical code that stands for each word |
| 20:01.53 | wols_ | we don't care what it does. we care about you answering the questions |
| 20:02.16 | hikenboot | its a python program |
| 20:02.37 | hikenboot | but it wont compile on a newer version of debian |
| 20:02.51 | wols_ | if you can't answer simple questions I can't help you |
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| 20:03.30 | hikenboot | its looking for streambuf.h |
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| 20:04.08 | wols_ | python doesn't look for streambuf.h |
| 20:04.17 | wols_ | not possible |
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| 20:04.35 | wols_ | last chance: either answer the question or ask someone else for help |
| 20:04.38 | hikenboot | well it contains python scripts..not sure what else it contains |
| 20:05.06 | hikenboot | oh how is it NOT working..sorry miss read question |
| 20:05.09 | wols_ | have a nice day. google for "smart questions" |
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| 20:22.48 | dekiss | how can I make bootable usb with debian? |
| 20:23.37 | RdrOfTheSt0rm | dd |
| 20:24.10 | dekiss | I am on windows |
| 20:24.20 | tempspace | My locale is different than the other users on my servers. I've deleted my user and added it back and it's still set to UTF-8. Where can I look to figure out why I'm inheriting this locale? |
| 20:25.20 | dekiss | hmm |
| 20:25.36 | dekiss | I am on windows can I install debian on this pc? it has free partition |
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| 20:26.15 | RdrOfTheSt0rm | yes dekiss its easy |
| 20:26.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell dekiss -about usb install |
| 20:26.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell dekiss -about install debian |
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| 20:26.50 | dekiss | I am on x64 system |
| 20:26.57 | babilen | dekiss: I would recommend to use the netinstall with firmware (ask the bot about <firmware image> with "/msg dpkg firmware image") |
| 20:27.29 | babilen | dekiss: Do you already know if you want a desktop environment and if so: Which? (Gnome, KDE, XFCE, LXDE) |
| 20:27.43 | dekiss | ok babilen thanks |
| 20:27.58 | dekiss | well |
| 20:28.07 | dekiss | sec |
| 20:28.26 | dekiss | sorry |
| 20:28.32 | dekiss | yes I want but can I choose? |
| 20:28.40 | dekiss | doesn't Debian come with Gnome only? |
| 20:29.19 | Nik05 | no ofcourse not :S |
| 20:29.24 | babilen | No, all of thoe aforementioned desktop environments are offered and there is a large number of window managers to choose from. |
| 20:29.35 | dekiss | what are those "nonfree" firmware |
| 20:29.41 | dekiss | can I use them for free? :D |
| 20:29.41 | jhutchins | jelly-home: http://mirror.debianforum.de/debian-iso-archive/hamm/i386/debian-2.0r0-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 20:29.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell dekiss -about firmware |
| 20:29.50 | Nik05 | dekiss they are gratis but not free |
| 20:30.01 | dekiss | babilen gnome is best? so far I have only worked onGnome |
| 20:30.15 | dekiss | ok |
| 20:30.24 | babilen | dekiss: A bunch of hardware requires firmware (binary blobs) to work correctly .. The non-free firmware has been removed from the Debian kernel to make it free and libre. |
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| 20:30.44 | babilen | dekiss: Gnome is perfectky fine if you want it and would be installed by default. |
| 20:30.51 | dekiss | bot knows install guide? |
| 20:30.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell dekiss -about install gnome |
| 20:31.04 | Nik05 | dekiss free doesnt mean gratis ;) |
| 20:31.06 | dekiss | nice thank you guys |
| 20:31.17 | Nik05 | freedomfighter dont fight to make things gratis... |
| 20:31.19 | babilen | dekiss: The bot can tell you about the install guide. Ask it about <ig> -- "/msg dpkg ig" |
| 20:31.21 | dekiss | is there 5 words explanation how to make bootable usb from debian iso? :D |
| 20:31.27 | dekiss | some tool for windows? |
| 20:31.28 | dekiss | :D |
| 20:31.53 | babilen | dekiss: The bot told you about that already -- It's the first factoid it sent you and it contains a link to an image writer for Windows. |
| 20:31.57 | Nik05 | just copy the iso on the usb, thats should work on most systems |
| 20:32.04 | dekiss | ok thank you all |
| 20:32.14 | babilen | dekiss: Did you see the link? |
| 20:32.19 | dekiss | Nik05 and restart pc it will boot from usb? |
| 20:32.29 | dekiss | babilen no honestly there are lot of links im checking now |
| 20:32.41 | Nik05 | yes but you need to copy the iso to the usb, and you probably dont know how |
| 20:32.50 | Nik05 | but babilen says he gave you a link, so read that |
| 20:32.57 | jelly-home | jhutchins: I stand corrected, but the user is gone |
| 20:33.14 | dekiss | Nik05 copy with copy or what |
| 20:33.15 | dekiss | :D |
| 20:33.20 | babilen | dekiss: It's the first factoid the bot sent you -- https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer it is -- you should have a bunch of private messages from our bot, dpkg, in a tab or window somewhere. |
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| 20:33.27 | jhutchins | jelly-home: For amusement only. I can't find 1.0, and 0.95 as a repo only. |
| 20:33.28 | dekiss | Nik05 you mean copy contents of the iso on the usb? |
| 20:33.39 | dekiss | babilen thanks |
| 20:33.46 | babilen | dekiss: Use the iamge writer linked above and please try to find those private messages. :) |
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| 20:33.58 | Nik05 | dekiss the iso itself should be copied bit for bit to the usb |
| 20:33.58 | dekiss | babilen that was what I needed thank you a lot :) |
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| 20:34.14 | dekiss | Nik05 I don't understand :S |
| 20:34.15 | jhutchins | jelly-home: I remember there was a linux book that came with a ribbon case with all of the current distros on CD. Colorful. |
| 20:34.22 | Nik05 | dekiss do what the link says |
| 20:34.27 | dekiss | I hate when I don't understand something please explain I am very curious |
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| 20:34.32 | dekiss | how to "cy" ? |
| 20:34.37 | dekiss | how to "copy" ? |
| 20:34.42 | dekiss | :S |
| 20:34.53 | dekiss | ok the link will do but how to copy the iso on usb? |
| 20:35.04 | babilen | You use the tool? |
| 20:35.05 | dekiss | contents of the iso |
| 20:35.08 | jhutchins | dekiss: Please READ the install guide. It will answer all of the questions that come after the ones you're asking. |
| 20:35.23 | Nik05 | the program is pretty straight forward |
| 20:35.30 | dekiss | should I open the iso with something like poweriso and copy extracted contents of the iso on the usb ? |
| 20:35.35 | Nik05 | you select the image, you select the usb and press write |
| 20:35.43 | dekiss | ok |
| 20:35.47 | dekiss | thank yop uall |
| 20:35.50 | dekiss | bye |
| 20:35.54 | dekiss | :) |
| 20:35.56 | babilen | hang on |
| 20:35.59 | Nik05 | ;p |
| 20:36.09 | babilen | wtf, did (s)he really not see the link? |
| 20:36.13 | Nik05 | babilen: It currently does not* support writing an ISO image to usb. |
| 20:36.21 | babilen | *shrug* |
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| 20:36.53 | babilen | Nik05: The image writer doesn't work anymore? |
| 20:36.59 | lfs_ | I just ran an upgrade and I need to know the version of Java which was installed previously. |
| 20:37.08 | Nik05 | i dont know babilen but the wiki says it cant work with iso |
| 20:37.18 | babilen | Nik05: Link? |
| 20:37.31 | Nik05 | http://sourceforge.net/p/win32diskimager/wiki/Home/ |
| 20:38.04 | babilen | Nik05: IIRC you might have to rename the .iso to .img on Windows as MS Windows is a bit anal about file extensions, but then ... |
| 20:38.16 | Nik05 | ;p |
| 20:38.21 | babilen | Nik05: Oh, that clarifies: "Writing standard ISO images is not supported, however hybrid images created with Syslinux's isohybrid does work" |
| 20:38.28 | Nik05 | didnt MS bought the ISO standard? |
| 20:38.40 | babilen | Our images are hybrid images |
| 20:38.55 | Nik05 | ah ko |
| 20:39.13 | jhutchins | Nik05: It's originally a music recording standard. |
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| 20:39.23 | Nik05 | why not use this? http://www.chrysocome.net/dd |
| 20:39.41 | dekiss | before I copy debian iso on the usb in which system should I format the usb fat32 ntfs or..? |
| 20:39.50 | dekiss | it is unformated new |
| 20:39.50 | jhutchins | Nik05: Everyything there is to know about CDs: http://www.cdrfaq.org/ |
| 20:40.03 | teraflops | Nik05: win32diskimager for sourceforge rocks |
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| 20:40.09 | Nik05 | dekiss you dont have to format, its going to be overwritten |
| 20:40.11 | teraflops | s/from |
| 20:40.31 | Nik05 | dekiss everything is formatted in the iso |
| 20:40.41 | dekiss | Nik05 the bootable usb maker tool will format the usb before copying the iso on it? |
| 20:40.50 | Nik05 | no |
| 20:40.51 | dekiss | in which system it will be formated? |
| 20:40.52 | jhutchins | dekiss: It is probably formatted FAT32 or something, but the image replaces the filesystem, so there's no reason to mess with it. |
| 20:41.10 | Nik05 | dekiss the filesystem is inside the iso |
| 20:41.23 | dekiss | ok |
| 20:41.25 | Nik05 | dont need to format it, its going to be copied to it |
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| 20:41.26 | dekiss | which one it is? |
| 20:41.29 | dekiss | ntfs fat 32 or? |
| 20:41.31 | Nik05 | fat32 probably |
| 20:41.33 | jhutchins | dekiss: There are even ways to mount the filesystem in the iso. |
| 20:41.47 | jhutchins | Some of them have been FAT12. |
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| 20:42.07 | dekiss | so in which filesysytem will be debian be installed |
| 20:42.13 | dekiss | oh I will choose |
| 20:42.14 | dekiss | when I format the partition |
| 20:42.21 | Nik05 | you can choose that in the installer |
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| 20:42.22 | jhutchins | dekiss: Right. I would recommend ext4. |
| 20:42.25 | Nik05 | probably ext4 |
| 20:42.31 | jhutchins | dekiss: Which is probably the default. |
| 20:42.37 | dekiss | I had good working debian install on my partition then I instaleld win 7 and this made the pc to boot directly in win 7 |
| 20:42.45 | dekiss | can I somehow boot in debian now? |
| 20:42.52 | jhutchins | suspects that dekiss STILL hasn't READ the install guide. |
| 20:42.53 | dekiss | or I must reformat my partition :S |
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| 20:42.58 | Nik05 | yes dekiss you can |
| 20:43.17 | Nik05 | use the recovery usb of grub or something |
| 20:43.17 | dekiss | yesterday one guy told me but I didn't had usb :S |
| 20:43.27 | dekiss | Nik05 whats that |
| 20:43.36 | jhutchins | There are hybrid live/installer images available. |
| 20:43.44 | dekiss | I think he told me to boot in recovery mode and reinstal grub |
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| 20:43.49 | dekiss | but I have no idea how |
| 20:44.04 | Nik05 | dekiss the grub recovery usb, boots and then repairs the grub install so you can boot windows and debian |
| 20:44.18 | dekiss | nicee |
| 20:44.19 | Nik05 | well thats what it can do |
| 20:44.27 | dekiss | Nik05 where can I find that lket me search |
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| 20:44.42 | dekiss | why win 7 deletes grun omg |
| 20:44.43 | jhutchins | dekiss: To quote the martian muppets: "Book. Book, book, book, book. Ooooh - RRRRReeeaaadd BOOK!: |
| 20:45.10 | Nik05 | it writes its own mbr to boot windows, but doesnt care about other operating systems |
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| 20:45.19 | jhutchins | dekiss: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual |
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| 20:45.33 | dekiss | grub is same for ubuntu debian and others? |
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| 20:46.09 | Nik05 | you can also use other boot managers |
| 20:46.12 | dekiss | http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ |
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| 20:46.20 | dekiss | Super Grub2 Disk |
| 20:46.24 | dekiss | is this it? |
| 20:46.29 | Nik05 | but what do you want to do? |
| 20:46.33 | Nik05 | dont want to install debian anymore? |
| 20:46.37 | dekiss | to boot in Debian |
| 20:46.41 | dekiss | it is on my other partition |
| 20:46.44 | dekiss | just can't boot in it |
| 20:46.48 | dekiss | no :) |
| 20:46.53 | babilen | dpkg: enter |
| 20:46.53 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 20:46.59 | dekiss | if I can boot in my old debian it will be nice |
| 20:47.13 | Nik05 | thank you babilen :D |
| 20:47.17 | dekiss | Super Grub2 Disk is this it? grub recovery usb? |
| 20:47.39 | dekiss | this will repair the grub so I can boot in my old Debian? |
| 20:47.47 | Nik05 | No idea dekiss. Debian has a package which contains the recovery image, let me find it. |
| 20:47.54 | dekiss | thank you |
| 20:47.57 | dekiss | :) |
| 20:48.04 | dekiss | but |
| 20:48.12 | dekiss | I am on windows I can't use debian packages :S |
| 20:48.28 | Nik05 | but you can download them from windows |
| 20:48.33 | dekiss | ah let me try with this Super Grub2 Disk or other things like this first then if I can't repair grub and boot in edbian I will reinstall it -__ |
| 20:48.36 | dekiss | -_- |
| 20:48.46 | dekiss | I had some files I need to backup them |
| 20:48.59 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 20:49.00 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
| 20:49.08 | dekiss | Nik05 hm and put on usb and restart pc? |
| 20:49.35 | dekiss | jhutchins this one guy told me yesterday wil lthis work? |
| 20:49.40 | Nik05 | !supergrub |
| 20:49.41 | dpkg | Super Grub Disk and Super Grub2 Disk are forks of <GRUB Legacy> and <GRUB2> respectively, which can be used to repair existing GNU GRUB installations. http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ See also <fixmbr>. |
| 20:49.41 | dekiss | I will try this |
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| 20:49.55 | abrotman | Feel free to msg the bot... |
| 20:49.56 | Nik05 | Yep try that dekiss, and read the documentation |
| 20:50.01 | dekiss | nice I will use supergrub first then other method thank you all |
| 20:50.07 | abrotman | or use the tell feature |
| 20:50.09 | dekiss | ok let me try |
| 20:51.00 | babilen | dekiss: And *please* use punctuation and do not hit enter every time you finish a thought. Thank you. |
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| 20:53.33 | lfs_ | Is there any way to find out the version of Java running previously? |
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| 20:54.36 | jhutchins | Sadly, we lack a Macedonian channel. |
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| 20:54.51 | jhutchins | lfs_: Restore the backup you made and see? |
| 20:55.29 | dekiss | hey |
| 20:55.32 | jhutchins | lfs_: grep jre /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 20:55.39 | dekiss | should I copy supergrub iso on usb with that tool |
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| 20:55.46 | dekiss | or just normal copy? |
| 20:55.48 | ziftex | Hello. |
| 20:57.18 | ziftex | Playing arround with Apache2. Trying to configure open SSL for it. |
| 20:57.40 | ziftex | iptables allow https, and netstat -anp | grep 443 gives tcp6 0 0 :::443 :::* LISTEN 3616/apache2 |
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| 20:57.41 | Nik05 | dekiss with that tool, if possible |
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| 20:57.47 | lfs_ | Does java runtime need to have Jre in it? |
| 20:58.01 | Nik05 | Oh and dekiss that removes everything from the usb, so you are warned ;) |
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| 20:58.23 | dekiss | thanks |
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| 20:58.31 | ziftex | but only http connectios are sucessfull. it's like that even apache2 do bind too port 443, it don't serves the requests. |
| 20:58.51 | ziftex | /var/log/apache2/fail.log and such gives absolute no clues. |
| 20:58.52 | jhutchins | ziftex: What about localhost? |
| 20:59.02 | ziftex | same for localhost. |
| 20:59.18 | ziftex | http works, https does not. |
| 21:00.06 | ziftex | /etc/apache2/sites-available/ is configured with <VirtualHost 208.117.43.192:443> |
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| 21:00.36 | ziftex | ports.conf also configured with ssl. |
| 21:01.07 | tremon | ziftex: that machine doesn't offer an ssl certificate on port 443 |
| 21:01.56 | ziftex | but in virtualhost I have configured SSLCertificateFile |
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| 21:02.35 | ziftex | both .pem and .key |
| 21:02.43 | tremon | does this help? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/apache/users/325108 |
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| 21:03.09 | tremon | if you have a virtualhost declaration without port number before the :443, the prior one gets used |
| 21:03.59 | ziftex | I don't |
| 21:04.33 | ziftex | both virtual hosts are configured with same IP but :80 and :443 |
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| 21:10.06 | tremon | ziftex: I can telnet to your port 443 and see the default apache It Works! page. Whatever your configuration, apache is not running https on your port 443 |
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| 21:11.38 | dekiss | mission was successfull :) thank you all |
| 21:11.40 | dekiss | ! |
| 21:11.52 | tremon | funny thing though, GET / HTTP/1.1 gets me a 400 bad request reply, but GET / HTTP/1.0 gets me a reply that starts with HTTP/1.1 200 OK |
| 21:11.54 | dekiss | I copied supergrun on usb and booted in grub and in debian ^^ |
| 21:12.15 | kieppie | howdy |
| 21:12.26 | kieppie | I'm struggling with LXC on wheezy |
| 21:13.01 | Nik05 | dekiss to make sure you can boot into debian and windows after a reboot. I would run update-grub |
| 21:13.47 | kieppie | there is a documented issue with the container data for LXC on wheezy, with a bunch of DIY hack found via an online search, but little in the way of "official" solutions |
| 21:14.32 | dekiss | Nik05 ok thanks you soi sudo apt-get update grub? |
| 21:14.50 | Nik05 | no just update-grub (or sudo update-grub) |
| 21:15.18 | kieppie | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=662913#15 |
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| 21:16.04 | rabbitear_sdf | http://xkcd.com/456/ |
| 21:16.06 | kieppie | dated 2012 (more than a year ago) & still no solution: https://wiki.debian.org/LXC#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
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| 21:28.14 | scottj | I'm using ecryptfs for my home directory, when I log in it's mounted automatically, but I don't remember how I set it up, how can I recover my passphrase/key? |
| 21:29.06 | kieppie | looks like LXC on Debian is totally FUBAR |
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| 21:30.51 | tremon | scottj: if you're using the ecryptfs pam module, your private key is a derivation of your password. There's no separate key afaik |
| 21:31.13 | scottj | tremon: how do I check if I'm using pam? |
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| 21:33.42 | tremon | not sure, check the man pages. Also see man ecryptfs-recover-private |
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| 21:36.59 | mick_lap1op | hi everyone, I'm looking to forward a udp port (all incoming on 6000) to 1.2.3.4 on that same port. I have been doing: iptables -t -nat -A PREROUTING -p udp -i eth0 -d 192.x.x.x --dport 6000 -j DNAT --to x.x.x.x:6000; iptables -A FORWARD -p udp -i eth0 -d x.x.x.x --dport 6000 -j ACCEPT |
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| 21:38.08 | mick_lap1op | I see that packets come to 6000 (on the first 192.x.x.x box) - I check that with tcpdump. It doesn't appear to be forwarding the traffic though |
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| 21:38.18 | mick_lap1op | any ideas? |
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| 21:39.56 | jhutchins | nick_h: Did you enable forwarding? |
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| 21:39.58 | mick_laptop | I don't see anything when I use `conntrack -E` related to that traffic |
| 21:40.02 | mick_laptop | jhutchins: yup |
| 21:40.16 | mick_laptop | echo "1" > /proc/...... |
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| 21:41.32 | jhutchins | nick_h: My Linux firewalls are long gone these days. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 21:42.05 | mick_laptop | that is ancient |
| 21:43.02 | rabbitear_sdf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Naf5uJYGoiU |
| 21:43.46 | tremon | mick_laptop: does iptables -I FORWARD -p udp --dport 6000 -j LOG show any packets passing through the forward table? |
| 21:44.01 | mick_laptop | thanks, I will check that |
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| 21:45.41 | tremon | also, iirc nat never sends packets out the same interface that they came in. You do have 2 interfaces in the forwarding machine? |
| 21:45.56 | mick_laptop | yes |
| 21:46.11 | mick_laptop | the box has 2 ips |
| 21:46.28 | tremon | just checking ;) |
| 21:46.30 | peterS | tremon: well I wouldn't say "never". I have 3 systems where exactly that happens |
| 21:46.41 | peterS | tremon: (NAT sending packets out the same interface they come in, that is) |
| 21:47.02 | tremon | oh cool. Didn't know that worked. I expected the packets to just get dropped |
| 21:47.08 | peterS | it is not a common configuration, perhaps, and not really recommended, but I do have my reasons (: |
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| 21:47.54 | mick_laptop | since eth0 has 2 ips, I guess I'll add the other (just in case) |
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| 21:48.51 | ziftex | tremon, hmm. I get telnet answer on ip, but not dns name. |
| 21:49.16 | peterS | tremon: one gotcha with forwarding packets in and out the same physical interface is that you may need to disable ICMP redirects. you don't want your gateway to "helpfully" tell the source side that it should really be using some other gateway instead. In a file under /etc/sysctl.d I have net.ipv4.conf.eth0.send_redirects = 0 |
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| 21:49.49 | mick_laptop | oh |
| 21:50.00 | tremon | peterS: ah. that would be a major gotcha, yes |
| 21:50.15 | peterS | tremon: yeah, took me awhile to figure out what was going wrong, there |
| 21:50.31 | mick_laptop | you mean that if I stick a machine online and have it fwd packets, it can screw up another box on the other end? |
| 21:50.38 | mick_laptop | how is that even.... |
| 21:50.52 | peterS | tremon: what's worse: I got it working at one site, then when setting up another site with the same configuration I forgot to disable redirects _again_ |
| 21:50.55 | mick_laptop | I'll disable that |
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| 21:51.37 | tremon | mick_laptop: that only bites you if you want one machine to forward packets to a machine on the same subnet (iiuc) |
| 21:51.48 | tremon | the same ingress subnet, that is |
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| 21:52.10 | alexlikerock | hi i need help to install "apt-get install deb-keyring" |
| 21:52.13 | mick_laptop | oh ok |
| 21:52.36 | peterS | mick_laptop: no here's the deal. say you want to NAT traffic from inside out to the internet but you don't have 2 physical interfaces so you use eth0 for both sides. If the kernel gets a packet from "inside" that it then forwards to "outside", it will helpfully tell the "inside" host that it could just as well route directly. that's an ICMP redirect. the inside host will then update its own routing table, incorrectly |
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| 21:52.36 | tremon | ziftex: hmm, don't really have an answer for that one. Although it makes some sense that ssl binds can only happen on named virtualhosts, not on ip addresses |
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| 21:53.27 | tremon | peterS: ooh. ugly |
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| 21:54.29 | mick_laptop | I just checked "ip route show" to see if anything changed, so far it looks ok |
| 21:54.36 | ziftex | tremon, I think another service is bound on 443. even tho apache2 don't logs errors for it. |
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| 21:54.41 | peterS | tremon: when you're playing with this stuff you also need to know about 'ip route flush table cache'. that is to say, the 'cache' routing table that the kernel updates all the time at runtime, and which will cause the changes you make to seem to not work right away |
| 21:54.57 | tremon | I would classify it as a bug though, that the kernel sends icmp redirects to traffic that trancends the local subnet |
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| 21:55.59 | peterS | tremon: well, it figures if I have connectivity to the outside gateway on eth0, then anyone else on eth0 should also have connectivity to the outside gateway. which is _technically_ true. |
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| 21:56.11 | tremon | ziftex: if that were the case, that would show in netstat -lnp |
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| 21:57.11 | mick_laptop | tremon: when I run the command, then it just exits - shouldn't conntrack -E show the packets? |
| 21:57.44 | tremon | mick_laptop: what command? the iptables -I command only inserts a log rule, check dmesg |
| 21:57.50 | mick_laptop | iptables -I FORWARD .... |
| 21:58.00 | mick_laptop | oh, dow |
| 21:58.26 | ziftex | UFW makes iptables alot more easy :) |
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| 21:59.20 | peterS | my pet peeve with iptables is that everyone has odd ways to manage it. What strikes me as the most obvious is the method I rarely see anyone else use |
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| 22:00.26 | peterS | that is: my master rules are stored in a file (I call it /etc/network/iptables.rules) and I change rules by editing that file and then applying it with 'iptables-restore'. which I also run from /etc/network/interfaces at ifup time |
| 22:00.56 | tremon | peterS: ever seen the package iptables-persistent? :) |
| 22:01.00 | peterS | most other people seem to either maintain shell scripts full of iptables commands, to run at boot time (yuk), or some sort of iptables-save / iptables-restore thing that happens at shutdown and boot |
| 22:01.18 | peterS | those approaches seem so backwards to me, compared to being able to edit my rules in a text editor |
| 22:01.19 | yottanami | I ordered a Debian VPS and I have console access from VPS panel but my VPS have not Internet access yet, What should I do ? |
| 22:01.42 | peterS | tremon: I think iptables-persistent is the second approach I was just mentioning, isn't it? |
| 22:01.49 | tremon | yottanami: ask your vps provider for internet connection details |
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| 22:03.09 | tremon | peterS: no, it's your first approach. although the default filename is /etc/iptables/rules.v4 instead of a file in /etc/network |
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| 22:03.37 | tremon | which is why I have a symlink there :) |
| 22:03.52 | peterS | tremon: ahh. well, a single 'pre-up iptables-restore /etc/network/iptables.rules' in my interfaces file seems like a simple enough alternative to installing a whole package that does this for me (: |
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| 22:04.32 | tremon | yes, wouldn't want to waste 10k of disk space on that |
| 22:04.39 | peterS | tremon: ...or is there more to the package than a one-line script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ ? |
| 22:05.34 | tremon | there isn't. The difference is that the package uses an init script instead of a ifup hook |
| 22:06.06 | peterS | tremon: yeah I guess you could go either way on that. for me the interfaces line is easier as I don't have to write a whole init script (: |
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| 22:08.31 | ziftex | tremon, netstat -alntp | grep 443 |
| 22:08.31 | ziftex | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.09 | peterS | ziftex: well... depends on the value of /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only |
| 22:09.26 | ziftex | it's 0 |
| 22:09.38 | Dagger2 | v6 sockets can accept v4 connections if net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0 |
| 22:09.38 | peterS | ziftex: the default has long been that if you bind to :: (the ipv6 'any' address) you get 0.0.0.0 (the ipv4 'any' address) for free |
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| 22:09.54 | Dagger2 | (what peterS said) |
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| 22:10.20 | peterS | there's been talk of changing to bindv6only = 1 for awhile now. I wonder if / when it will happen |
| 22:10.46 | ziftex | Hmm. I give up for today. |
| 22:10.49 | peterS | I mean as a debian install time default |
| 22:11.26 | tremon | ziftex: there's also #apache btw, this sounds like a generic apache problem so you could try that as well |
| 22:11.34 | ziftex | spend more time on configuring SSL then setting up apache/postfix/dovecover |
| 22:11.41 | Dagger2 | peterS: eh... and break all software that doesn't have the ability to listen on multiple ports? |
| 22:11.55 | peterS | Dagger2: that's why it hasn't happened yet, I'm sure |
| 22:12.00 | ziftex | but thanks for your time |
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| 22:22.59 | jhutchins | ziftex: I should note that there are multiple guides for how to enable SSL on Apache, including from Debian. |
| 22:23.25 | jhutchins | ziftex: I think following one of those would be better than this piecemeal approach. |
| 22:23.47 | jhutchins | ziftex: Also, your firewall should be on the device connected to the internet, which should be a router between the 'net and your sever. |
| 22:24.00 | jhutchins | ziftex: A firewall really can't protect the device that it's on. |
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| 22:42.51 | tharkun | Why do I get from openssl s_client -starttls smtp -showcerts -connect smtp01.example.com:587 |-> Verify return code: 21 (unable to verify the first certificate) |
| 22:42.56 | tharkun | openssl verify -CApath /usr/lib/ssl/certs smtp01.cert |-> smtp01.cert: OK |
| 22:43.00 | tharkun | openssl verify -CAfile root.pem smtp01.cert |-> smtp01.cert: OK |
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| 22:43.52 | tharkun | openssl version -d |->OPENSSLDIR: "/usr/lib/ssl" |
| 22:44.07 | tharkun | This is a Debian wheezy install. |
| 22:44.10 | tremon | s_client doesn't have a default capath |
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| 22:44.40 | tremon | use explicit -CApath when verifying certificates with s_client |
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| 22:45.00 | tharkun | tremon: thanks |
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| 22:45.26 | tharkun | Can I quote you? |
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| 22:46.05 | tremon | lol. I'm just a user, my words have no authority |
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| 22:46.46 | tremon | but if you must, you may |
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| 22:54.53 | linuxthefish | hi, what PHP version is in Debian 6? |
| 22:55.36 | tremon | ,v php5 |
| 22:55.37 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u4; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u5; sid: 5.5.4+dfsg-1; jessie: 5.5.6+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.6+dfsg-1 |
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| 23:00.44 | Lady_Aleena | When I run alsamixer as me, the only option I have is something called PulseAudio. When I run alsamixer as root, the options are SB Audigy 2ZS and Intel ICH5. Why is it if root has SB Audigy selected, it doesn't trickle down to my account? (I asked in ##linux, and they are stumped.) |
| 23:02.04 | Lady_Aleena | Also, why aren't my display settings sticking when I set them in System Tools? Every time I restart my computer I have to resize my display (to bigger), I've set and lost my background image several times, and I can't get the Mulitmedia option to open in System Tools either. (I asked in #kde, and no one has answered.) |
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| 23:02.26 | tremon | does either your user or root have a ~/.asoundrc that overrides the global /etc/asound.conf? |
| 23:02.36 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: I don't use pulseaudio myself, but that's probably how it's meant to be. Everything goes through pulseaudio, and it takes care of all the audio outputs. |
| 23:03.01 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: This is with which release? |
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| 23:03.35 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, I have NO SOUND coming out of my computer. Not a peep, whistle, anything. |
| 23:03.46 | Lady_Aleena | Debian 7 with KDE. |
| 23:04.17 | tremon | that sounds like heaven. Mine makes a constant whizzing sound |
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| 23:05.32 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: Have you used the pulseaudio mixer to configure the output? |
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| 23:05.47 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, I've tried alsamixer. |
| 23:06.21 | Lady_Aleena | Where is pulseaudio mixer. |
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| 23:06.37 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: pavucontrol is a common one. |
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| 23:07.05 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, command line or GUI? |
| 23:07.32 | Lady_Aleena | pavucontrol - Command not found |
| 23:08.05 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: It's in the package of the same name. |
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| 23:09.23 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, what package where? |
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| 23:11.11 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, I just installed Debian 7 with KDE yesterday. |
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| 23:12.03 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: 'pavucontrol' is shipped in the package named 'pavucontrol'. |
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| 23:12.53 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, I don't know what a package is. |
| 23:12.57 | marshall_ | when playing music thru a samba mount the sound stops after 1 or 2 seconds with all music players (rhythmbox/totem/banshee) any ideas why? |
| 23:13.15 | petn-randall | marshall_: Does copying those files work? |
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| 23:14.23 | marshall_ | petn-randall, yeah just copied one to desktop |
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| 23:15.16 | marshall_ | they all play, i can hear for 1 second, sound dies but it still ticks on |
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| 23:16.23 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: a package is a program and its associated libraries, or a documentation set, or a set of libraries used by many programs. you install (and sometimes remove) packages using apt-get or aptitude on the command line, or the synaptic GUI (other GUIs may be available, but I'm not familiar with that). |
| 23:17.27 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: so, you'd run "apt-get install pavucontrol" in your terminal, or search for it in synaptic and install. |
| 23:17.29 | Lady_Aleena | peterrooney, so where do I find the pavucontrol program to run? |
| 23:17.45 | scottj | if I have /home/foo/.Private mounted as /home/foo, is there any way to access the original /home/foo without unmounting the .Private? |
| 23:18.05 | peterrooney | After it's installed, you can hunt for it in the KDE menu, or type "pavucontrol" in your xterm. |
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| 23:18.53 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: I cannot help but wonder how things would have gone if you had installed GNOME instead of KDE. |
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| 23:19.15 | Lady_Aleena | peterrooney, I was told KDE was supposed to have EVERYTHING I wanted. |
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| 23:20.56 | tremon | scottj: bind-mount your /home to a different location |
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| 23:21.28 | Lady_Aleena | So, Debian installed PulseAudio but NOT its controller? |
| 23:22.03 | peterrooney | Lady_Aleena: That seems like just the kind of thing KDE would do. |
| 23:22.08 | Lady_Aleena | Why can't I just have my SB Audigy? |
| 23:22.24 | Lady_Aleena | So PulseAudio is KDE's fault? |
| 23:22.58 | tremon | Lady_Aleena: are you here to argue or to solve your issues? |
| 23:23.27 | scottj | tremon: cool, thanks |
| 23:23.30 | Lady_Aleena | tremon, I am asking questions to understand, sorry if it sound arugmentative. |
| 23:23.44 | Lady_Aleena | s/sound/sounds/ |
| 23:24.48 | tremon | Lady_Aleena: kde should have its own mixer panel that should be able to control pulseaudio. Note, that's two "should"s that I can't answer because I don't use kde |
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| 23:25.44 | Lady_Aleena | Was KDE a bad choice for a GUI for someone coming from Windows XP? |
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| 23:27.31 | Lady_Aleena | If necessary I will reinstall Debian with another desktop if KDE is that problematical. |
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| 23:27.47 | Lady_Aleena | I will start from scratch. |
| 23:27.53 | feudin | can somebody help me, i simply want to download the latest debian with xfce, i am finding all sorts of options, some with multiple cd's etc |
| 23:27.56 | vs73nx | not really it depends on you'r preferences, after all linux is about choice so you can experiment with desktop environments as much as you want. |
| 23:28.06 | tremon | I'd say no, it's probably the most familiar for someone coming from XP and it's full-featured. But it's not the default on debian, and most people I've spoken here do not use a full-featured DE anyway |
| 23:29.25 | feudin | i have downloaded a debian-live-xfce, and and simply debian-xfce |
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| 23:30.24 | vs73nx | hmm full desktop environments are more beginner friendly while window managers are faster but a bit more hardcore... cough awesome-wm cough. |
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| 23:32.11 | tremon | feudin: the debian xfce installer should do, but I prefer to use the netinst installer. You can choose which desktop to install in the desktop environments advanced selection iirc |
| 23:33.41 | Lady_Aleena | If PulseAudio is something KDE did, I will take this problem to #kde and let you rest. |
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| 23:34.55 | mtn | Lady_Aleena: just so you know, gnome will install pulse, too |
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| 23:40.20 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: No need to re-install, you can just install another DE *if* you feel like it. |
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| 23:40.50 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: I don't know KDE, they probably have their own GUI for pulseaudio. As I said, there are several of them. |
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| 23:41.49 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: If you like to be able to switch audio output from e.g. your loudspeakers to earphones on the fly, pulseaudio is for you. |
| 23:42.23 | Lady_Aleena | I don't have a headphone jack, just 5.1 surround sound speakers. |
| 23:42.24 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: If you don't care about such things (some people don't), you can simply uninstall pulseaudio. |
| 23:44.48 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, I have tried so many little things a clean sweep may be the only thing to fix anything, if it can be fixed. |
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| 23:45.08 | reavengrey | Ayo guys |
| 23:45.12 | reavengrey | why is GIMP so much shit? |
| 23:45.19 | szaus18 | building libvirt on debian, keep getting "configure: error: libnl-devel >= 1.1 is required for macvtap support" even after i installed libnl-devel which is 1.1-7 |
| 23:45.23 | Nahra | Hello. I am not able to make systemd start stunnel only once network has been started/loaded. In stunnel.service, I am using "After=network.target syslog.target wicd.service" but it does not change anything. What did I miss? |
| 23:45.24 | Lady_Aleena | I just installed pavucontrol and it didn't help. |
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| 23:46.52 | edju | Trying to install Wheezy (which I've done many times). Downloaded the netinst file three times and dd'd to two different usb sticks. Each of those install attempts aborted at "coreutils is corrupt". I don't get it. Any advice greatly appreciated. |
| 23:47.02 | petn-randall | reavengrey: Do you have a support question? |
| 23:47.21 | reavengrey | I already moved to #gimp lol |
| 23:47.30 | reavengrey | no worries, I'm shit talking in there instead |
| 23:47.53 | petn-randall | reavengrey: They'll really love to hear you rant, I bet. </sarcasm> |
| 23:47.57 | Lady_Aleena | goes to #kde to give you a break. |
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