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| 00:05.54 | Benit | Hi, does anyone knows if the libreoffice package in sid is broken? |
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| 00:08.12 | ompaul | Benit: if you wait a few minutes I'll do a d-u and test that for you |
| 00:08.27 | Benit | ok |
| 00:08.27 | Benit | XD |
| 00:08.29 | Benit | ill be here |
| 00:09.32 | Penix | might want to pull up a chair |
| 00:09.50 | sander_m | Hi. I have a question about a live USB stick. How can I make the 'persistence' boot option permanent? I `dd`ed the live ISO to my USB stick, then created a second partition on the stick for persistence. But I don't want to manually add the 'persistence' boot option every time I use it. Help? |
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| 00:26.57 | qaz | hi |
| 00:27.04 | qaz | how I can disable the radeon kms ? radeon.modeset=0 don't give any result so far |
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| 00:27.23 | airstrike | babilen: everything worked. thanks! |
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| 00:28.56 | wsky | qaz: do you need kms for anything? |
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| 00:29.10 | babilen | airstrike: Oh yeah, enjoy! |
| 00:29.19 | babilen | airstrike: Anything else you need help with? |
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| 00:29.53 | ompaul | Benit: so the thing is - that's currently what happens a d-u will kill your libreoffice |
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| 00:30.26 | qaz | I'm trying to install fglrx...but so far I got black screen ...and the radeon kms is still active in the kernel |
| 00:30.31 | ompaul | Benit: this being the reason ibreoffice-core : Depends: libharfbuzz0a (>= 0.9.18) but it is not going to be installed |
| 00:30.50 | Cylta | Hello. could somebody help me to setup connection by ssh between two computers through the internet? ssh is installed and working on both. nmap can see 22 port open in one side(from me), but can't see on other (to me). I'm planning to be a ssh client. |
| 00:30.55 | Benit | ompaul: oks, thanyou |
| 00:31.01 | Benit | the message in my d-u |
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| 00:31.07 | Benit | was less explicit |
| 00:31.37 | wsky | qaz: you might want to blacklist the responsible module or rebuild your kernel |
| 00:32.00 | qaz | so radeonfb? |
| 00:32.04 | kieppie1 | howdy |
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| 00:32.14 | kieppie1 | anyone here (online) familiar with LXC? |
| 00:32.22 | wsky | but idk, there may be a better solution ( i stopped using radeons a while ago) |
| 00:32.46 | qaz | yae this is my last radeon card |
| 00:32.55 | qaz | next one will be nvidia |
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| 00:36.06 | airstrike | babilen: for some reason, it seems like my wireless connection is subpar now.. i'm not sure why this would happen |
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| 00:36.29 | babilen | airstrike: "subpar" how? |
| 00:36.35 | airstrike | i've added a well-seeded torrent (the ubuntu iso, don't kill me) to transmission to test.. and i'm getting 35kbps download average |
| 00:36.40 | airstrike | 15kbps atm |
| 00:36.57 | airstrike | yet i'm on a 10mbit download link |
| 00:37.13 | airstrike | the port is open (per transmission) |
| 00:37.25 | airstrike | i have no idea how to debug this |
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| 00:37.36 | airstrike | or troubleshoot, i should say |
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| 00:38.07 | babilen | airstrike: I would be surprised if the bottleneck is actually your wifi in this situation |
| 00:38.31 | wsky | airstrike: speedtest |
| 00:38.45 | ectospasm | not to mention that bittorrent is usually limited by upload bandwidth |
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| 00:38.51 | babilen | airstrike: I'd rather recommend to download something *not* from BT (e.g. wikipedia dumps), but even that is not a fool-proof metric at all. |
| 00:39.25 | airstrike | speedtest requires flash, and apparently flash isn't working ootb |
| 00:39.40 | wsky | then, idk, like, install it or smth |
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| 00:41.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell airstrike about adobe flash |
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| 00:42.13 | babilen | airstrike: I recommend installing the flashplugin-nonfree package from <contrib> for that. You need a /etc/apt/sources.list such as https://www.refheap.com/21592 for that, run "apt-get update" |
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| 00:42.29 | babilen | airstrike: While we are at it: Do you have an AMD or Intel processor? |
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| 00:42.47 | babilen | dpkg: microcode |
| 00:42.48 | dpkg | Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode |
| 00:43.06 | babilen | airstrike: ^^^ -- make sure to install the correct microcode package for your CPU |
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| 00:43.47 | airstrike | i have an intel cpu |
| 00:44.07 | babilen | airstrike: Then install the intel-microcode package |
| 00:44.30 | zykotick9 | doesn't see either of those microcode packages? on his current wheezy box? |
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| 00:45.55 | kieppie1 | howdy - anyone familiar with LXC? I'm following the official docco's, but LXC as implemented seems FUBAR - does not work "out of the box", and the docco's acknowledge this (going on close to 2 years now) with no intent for resolution in sight |
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| 00:52.44 | JC_Denton | so will fstat on kfreebsd make an appearance at some point? deeply missing a lsof/fuser equivalent. |
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| 01:12.09 | wsky | anyone knows why would my apache access.log be empty after a log rotation? |
| 01:12.39 | wsky | it does not log anything ... |
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| 01:12.58 | thowe | grml doesn't appear to be able to mount lvm partitions? |
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| 01:13.37 | Penix | thowe: maybe ask the grml people |
| 01:15.12 | thowe | lvm judt needs to start it seems. |
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| 01:16.38 | wsky | anyways |
| 01:16.40 | wsky | solved |
| 01:16.41 | wsky | i didn't know there is separate log for ssl |
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| 01:19.29 | airstrike | ok, so speedtest shows 8.5~9Mb/s download, yet bittorrent is slow |
| 01:20.03 | wsky | airstrike: do you limit your upload in transmission? |
| 01:20.55 | airstrike | everybody ignore me |
| 01:21.28 | airstrike | i limited download instead of upload :P on the previous versions of transmission, the first box was download, the second was uploadso .. they seem to be the opposite from what i had |
| 01:21.55 | wsky | it's a conspiracy! |
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| 01:26.16 | airstrike | i knew it! |
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| 01:38.47 | tomatosalad | wow, the Doom guy, hugeass suit included, can be calculated to be pretty short for a white male + suit -- 5.7 ft |
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| 01:39.44 | wsky | tomatosalad: what are you talking about? |
| 01:39.53 | tomatosalad | oh, sorry, wrong channel |
| 01:39.56 | tomatosalad | DOOM, anyway |
| 01:40.05 | wsky | DooM <3 |
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| 01:40.47 | tomatosalad | speaking of, is there something better than prboom/vavoom/chocolate doom? |
| 01:41.01 | wsky | skulltag |
| 01:41.19 | wsky | however, i never managed to run it on linux |
| 01:41.30 | tomatosalad | well, that's my point |
| 01:41.34 | wsky | it needs some propetiary library shananigans |
| 01:41.34 | tomatosalad | I'm using ZDoom on OSX |
| 01:42.01 | tomatosalad | oh, that's no big deal |
| 01:42.16 | wsky | nah, but i cba to run it |
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| 01:45.07 | wsky | tomatosalad: their machine rail gun is riduculously playable |
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| 01:46.23 | wsky | sad no one implemented it in any other game |
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| 01:48.50 | steven887 | What happened with computer terminals like VT100? As I understand, they just provided a interface to communicate with real computer over a network? And were replaced by personal computer in 90s? |
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| 01:50.14 | Bronze | steven887: IBM PC's made timesharing systems less needed |
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| 01:50.59 | ectospasm | most terminals were fairly dumb, they just displayed characters based on a set of standards... VT100 was one of those standards. |
| 01:51.06 | stunis | How do I get my xinitrc to execute in lightDM/ |
| 01:51.33 | ectospasm | I read somewhere that Debian prefers .xsession, rather than .xinitrc |
| 01:51.55 | stunis | I saw somewhere similar, but I'm not sure how to act on it |
| 01:51.58 | Bronze | ectospasm: vt100 was actually the most popular terminal DEC made. it became the standard because it was the standard. |
| 01:52.38 | ectospasm | Bronze: called a de facto standard, amirite? |
| 01:52.45 | Bronze | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.19 | wsky | o/16 |
| 01:53.25 | wsky | whoops |
| 01:53.34 | steven887 | Bronze, ectospasm: so the computer sent signals over a modem to to terminal which just decoded the signal into characters to display on the screen? |
| 01:54.06 | Bronze | steven887: usually no modem, a hardwired serial connection |
| 01:54.24 | ectospasm | yeah, usually it was serial |
| 01:54.27 | Bronze | steven887: a modem was only used to connect over phone lines. painfully slow |
| 01:54.30 | ectospasm | You can still get that effect with Linux. |
| 01:54.58 | jiohdi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.20 | ectospasm | Hyperterminal ftl! |
| 01:55.21 | steven887 | Bronze, ectospasm: ok. By serial you mean RS232? |
| 01:55.41 | Bronze | steven887: take any xterm you have, set the font to courier 12 point , and adjust the screen size to 24 rows by 80 columns, Bang - you have a dec vt100 |
| 01:55.44 | ectospasm | steven887: not limited to the RS232 standard |
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| 01:55.55 | Bronze | steven887: yup rs232 |
| 01:55.56 | stunis | I also read that lightdm prefers xprofile, but I couldn't get that to work either |
| 01:55.57 | ectospasm | there were several, many incompatible serial standards. |
| 01:56.08 | ectospasm | ...but RS232 was the most common IIRC |
| 01:56.31 | jiohdi | rs232 was heavily used by printers as well |
| 01:56.44 | jiohdi | it was the pre-usb |
| 01:56.53 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 01:56.53 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 01:58.59 | Spec | ectospasm: minicom ftw :) |
| 01:59.31 | ectospasm | Spec: yep! |
| 01:59.51 | ectospasm | I need to get a null USB cable so I can talk to my router that way |
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| 02:17.18 | steven887 | Bronze, ectospasm: thanks! And the computer, where terminals with serial connection(probably few hundred meters) or modem lines(hundreds of miles) were connected to, were called minicomputers? |
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| 02:41.31 | xaec | MTP devices are the devil |
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| 02:50.24 | ectospasm | StephenS: maybe, they could also have been mainframes |
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| 02:52.29 | iAdam1n | How do I check the version installed? Like 7.1 |
| 02:52.53 | ectospasm | iAdam1n: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:53.02 | iAdam1n | wow thanks |
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| 02:53.39 | ectospasm | hrmmmm |
| 02:53.59 | ectospasm | I don't think "cat /etc/debian_version" will tell the version of the installer used... |
| 02:54.12 | ectospasm | Or maybe I blew that info away when I switched to Sid |
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| 02:56.19 | cpg | hi, is there some sort of generator to build a skeleton of a deb for a new package i want to put together? |
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| 02:59.16 | Cyis | Ok... so I have to simply be missing it but where did the remote desktop connection settings go in Wheezy's X11 UI? |
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| 03:01.01 | xaec | Cyis: "Desktop Sharing" should be the app, fairly limited IMO |
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| 03:01.16 | airstrike | hi. what's The Right Way to install fonts in debian? I have the same fonts in both .otf and .ttf formats. |
| 03:01.38 | vilmibm | I always just put them in /usr/share/fonts |
| 03:01.47 | vilmibm | and that's all. |
| 03:02.03 | Cyis | xaec: I've got a laptop in the other room that I just want to be able to access the UI on remotely |
| 03:02.52 | ectospasm | ssh can forward X, but even over a speedy LAN it can be slow |
| 03:02.55 | ectospasm | Cyis: ^ |
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| 03:03.51 | xaec | Cyis: on the laptop, open "Desktop Sharing" - there are some settings there to allow connections. by default it operates over port 5900 IIRC and most VNC clients work with it |
| 03:04.26 | Cyis | ok... I'll go in there and look for that |
| 03:07.01 | Lady_Aleena | Where does Debian install Apache? |
| 03:07.19 | Lady_Aleena | Debian 7... |
| 03:07.45 | Lady_Aleena | I went looking for the httpd.conf file, and couldn't find it. |
| 03:08.11 | ectospasm | Lady_Aleena: try /etc/apache2/... |
| 03:08.12 | vilmibm | Lady_Aleena: should be /etc/apache2/ |
| 03:08.32 | Lady_Aleena | ectospasm and vilmibm, I looked and it wasn't there. |
| 03:08.34 | ectospasm | but it won't be called httpd.conf, Debian does it a different way |
| 03:09.25 | vilmibm | Lady_Aleena: is there a conf.d directory? |
| 03:09.26 | ectospasm | Lady_Aleena: host specific configuration goes into /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, and site-specific stuff goes into sites-available/ |
| 03:09.28 | wsky | Lady_Aleena: dpkg -L apache2.2-common |
| 03:09.51 | Lady_Aleena | Yes, there is a conf.d directory. |
| 03:10.00 | airstrike | vilmibm: do i need to put .ttf into /usr/share/fonts/truetype and .otf somewhere else? or does dumping them in /usr/share/fonts suffice? |
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| 03:10.05 | ectospasm | and then you enable the site with a2enable <fqdn> |
| 03:10.18 | vilmibm | airstrike: in my experience, dumping em in fonts/ is sufficient :) |
| 03:10.23 | airstrike | i'm seeing nothing after fc-cache -f && fc-list | grep -i helvetica |
| 03:10.28 | vilmibm | Lady_Aleena: it should be in there; just might not be called httpd.conf |
| 03:10.45 | vilmibm | airstrike: hm, I am usually using them from within libreoffice or gimp |
| 03:10.49 | vilmibm | and they always find them |
| 03:11.05 | airstrike | ok |
| 03:11.08 | airstrike | well, i'm off to sleep |
| 03:11.11 | vilmibm | ni ni |
| 03:11.12 | airstrike | i'll keep trying tomorrow |
| 03:11.14 | airstrike | thanks anyway |
| 03:11.17 | vilmibm | sure, sorry |
| 03:11.22 | airstrike | np |
| 03:11.47 | Lady_Aleena | So edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default? |
| 03:12.15 | Lady_Aleena | I need to set localhost to a specific directory. |
| 03:12.17 | ectospasm | Lady_Aleena: you probably want a domain specific configuration file. |
| 03:12.20 | wsky | Lady_Aleena: better make a virtual host based on the default config |
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| 03:13.16 | Lady_Aleena | What? |
| 03:13.42 | wsky | goes away |
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| 03:16.09 | vilmibm | Lady_Aleena: the site configs are for configuring specific domains |
| 03:16.16 | vilmibm | as opposed to the server as a whole |
| 03:16.22 | vilmibm | and they are usually want you want to edit. |
| 03:16.38 | vilmibm | so depending on what you want to do, editing the default under sites-available might be just fine |
| 03:16.44 | vilmibm | are you familiar with virtual hosts? |
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| 03:18.39 | Lady_Aleena | No, all I know is localhost has to be pointed at /home/<me>/Documents/fantasy |
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| 03:18.57 | styler | anyone know why an ISO would be bootable in virtualbox but not on my PC? it says boot medium not found etc... |
| 03:19.22 | vilmibm | Lady_Aleena: hm, let me think; the config option you want is DocumentRoot iirc |
| 03:19.40 | vilmibm | so look for that in 'default' and change it, restart apache |
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| 03:19.47 | Lady_Aleena | I have my httpd.conf from Windows XP. |
| 03:19.50 | ectospasm | styler: is your BIOS/EFI directed to boot from optical disc? |
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| 03:20.07 | styler | yeh, i went to the boot menu and selected USB drive |
| 03:20.19 | styler | (i dd'ed the iso to my flash drive) |
| 03:20.36 | styler | (when i dd a stock iso debian-netinst.iso to the flash drive, it works fine) |
| 03:20.41 | styler | i'm trying to remaster the CD |
| 03:20.43 | vilmibm | I didn't even know apache ran on XP so I donno how much similarity there'll be between the configs |
| 03:20.49 | ectospasm | styler: did you dd of=/dev/sdX or /dev/sdX{1...} |
| 03:20.55 | styler | sdX |
| 03:21.07 | styler | genisoimage -o /home/styler/test.iso -r -J -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat ./ |
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| 03:21.35 | ectospasm | um, if it's a netinst ISO you should have already been able to dd it directly |
| 03:21.42 | xaec | ugh, i give up. anyone had any success using MTP mounted android devices with wheezy? |
| 03:21.45 | ectospasm | It's already a hybrid ISO |
| 03:22.00 | styler | i'm trying to preseed the netinst install |
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| 03:22.18 | juri_ | is there something wrong with the main mirrors? |
| 03:22.30 | vilmibm | juri_: they are going a bit slow for me but working |
| 03:22.56 | vilmibm | Lady_Aleena: I've got to go to sleep, sorry :/ but good luck, try looking for the DocumentRoot setting in the default site config file |
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| 03:23.14 | Lady_Aleena | vilmibm, that's okay...sleep well. |
| 03:23.27 | juri_ | specifically, why does the sha256sum of /debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz not match the value in /debian/dists/wheezy/Release? |
| 03:23.53 | ectospasm | Lady_Aleena: https://wiki.debian.org/Apache |
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| 03:25.31 | Lady_Aleena | ectospasm, I installed Apache when I installed Debian. |
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| 03:26.22 | ectospasm | Lady_Aleena: I'm sorry, I didn't read that fully. It just tells you how to install, not configure. |
| 03:26.49 | juri_ | the sha1sum matches... |
| 03:27.04 | ectospasm | http://www.control-escape.com/web/configuring-apache2-debian.html << Lady_Aleena, not official, but may be helpful |
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| 03:28.55 | juri_ | ok, what would make the sha1sum of a file match the value in Release, but the sha256sum output doesn't match the sha256 value in the same file? |
| 03:29.58 | juri_ | Oh. interesting. |
| 03:30.34 | juri_ | Very interesting indeed. |
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| 03:34.52 | Lady_Aleena | What name does Debian give the httpd binary? |
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| 03:36.30 | ectospasm | Lady_Aleena: apache2 |
| 03:36.41 | juri_ | http://pastebin.com/jwVc7fZf |
| 03:37.04 | juri_ | this is some interesting filesystem 'corruption'. |
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| 03:37.23 | Lady_Aleena | ectospasm, then it looks like I have all of the folders, but not apache itself. apache2 -V returns command not found. |
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| 03:38.28 | ectospasm | Lady_Aleena: you might not have /usr/sbin in your $PATH |
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| 03:40.35 | Lady_Aleena | 'PATH' => '/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games', |
| 03:41.20 | Lady_Aleena | I barely got my head around setting paths in Windows, tell me there is an easy way to add a path? |
| 03:41.25 | Lady_Aleena | Globally... |
| 03:42.11 | ectospasm | I wouldn't add /usr/sbin to your normal user path... just use the absolute pathname to the binary ("/usr/sbin/apache2 -V") |
| 03:42.27 | ectospasm | If you gain a root shell, you'll have /usr/sbin in your $PATH |
| 03:43.09 | rryoumaa | what is the rationale behind not merging /lib /bin /sbin /usr/sbin into /usr/bin? for small installations where you want a separate /usr? |
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| 03:43.26 | rryoumaa | oops, i didn't mean merging lib into bin of course |
| 03:44.00 | Lady_Aleena | So next time, sudo. |
| 03:44.22 | ectospasm | /bin and /sbin tend to be OS level stuff, /usr stuff tends to be something the admin added |
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| 03:44.33 | rryoumaa | Lady_Aleena: # /etc/profile: system-wide .profile file for the Bourne shell (sh(1)) # and Bourne compatible shells (bash(1), ksh(1), ash(1), ...). |
| 03:44.36 | ectospasm | it doesn't really matter per se |
| 03:44.39 | Lady_Aleena | is setting up her home computer. |
| 03:45.25 | rryoumaa | i figure having it available for regular user is not a problem, so merging would work for me |
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| 03:45.54 | rryoumaa | (but then again i have / as a partition) |
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| 03:48.17 | ectospasm | typically a normal user can call /usr/sbin programs just fine by using the absolute path |
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| 04:00.07 | smj | Can I reinstall or just check every installed package, if I'm unsure if all of them have been properly installed while I've been low on free disk space? |
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| 04:01.22 | ectospasm | smj: I don't understand what you're asking. Rephrase and try again? |
| 04:03.33 | smj | Can I reinstall every package, or just check if all of them have been properly installed? |
| 04:03.52 | ectospasm | smj: look at the output of "dpkg -l" |
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| 04:05.07 | ectospasm | smj: if you run aptitude install with no other arguments, it should report whether there were any incomplete package installations |
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| 04:10.09 | petn-randall | smj: 'debsums -c' will report anything unusual with your installation. |
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| 04:11.32 | smj | thanks, both |
| 04:13.45 | rryoumaa | is there anythiung like peerguardian? |
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| 04:15.07 | AB49K | So I only learned about "apt-get moo" today :( |
| 04:16.10 | Penix | bloatware. wasting all those precious bytes with their bonvine bafoonery |
| 04:16.23 | Penix | bovine even |
| 04:16.37 | AB49K | I found it hilarious. |
| 04:16.55 | Penix | *woosh* |
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| 04:28.03 | Jordan_U | AB49K: aptitude moo; |
| 04:28.24 | ectospasm | does your apt need super cow powers for that? |
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| 04:48.09 | dizzylizzy | is there a non-cron shell command that takes as an argument a command, which it then runs at a specified period? Say, every 2 minutes |
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| 04:49.33 | flami | rryoumaa: there is peerguardian for linux. I believe you find the binaries in a 3rd party repo. |
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| 04:52.18 | Tramp | dizzylizzy: well, there's "watch" - or write a simple shell-loop with a sleep |
| 04:52.42 | dizzylizzy | oh neat |
| 04:53.32 | Tramp | while :; do somecmd; sleep 120; done & |
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| 04:55.35 | ectospasm | if you only want it to run once, run "at" |
| 04:55.48 | ectospasm | dizzylizzy: but if you need this to survive a reboot, the proper place is cron |
| 04:56.08 | ectospasm | everything else would be a hack |
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| 04:57.48 | dizzylizzy | ectospasm, this is just while I'm working in emacs |
| 04:58.04 | dizzylizzy | thanks Tramp |
| 04:58.25 | Tramp | welcome |
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| 05:06.27 | debianmaster0 | hey room |
| 05:06.29 | debianmaster0 | :) |
| 05:07.06 | debianmaster0 | i ditched Red Hat and now am a true debian lover. :) |
| 05:07.06 | ectospasm | o7 |
| 05:07.14 | ectospasm | applause |
| 05:07.48 | AB49K | I went from Ubuntu to Debian, won't go anywhere else now :) |
| 05:08.42 | debianmaster0 | I used to be a Ubuntu fan until unity. |
| 05:09.05 | ectospasm | I had a more winding road than that... back when I was using Slackware, Debian was suggested but I hadn't gotten tired of Slack |
| 05:09.20 | debianmaster0 | Linus uses Slackware still. :) |
| 05:09.31 | AB49K | I never tried any linux until ubuntu - at which point unity was already out - I still count as a n00b xD |
| 05:09.32 | ectospasm | When I did get tired of slackware, I went to Gentoo |
| 05:09.43 | ectospasm | Gentoo taught me the beauty of package management |
| 05:10.13 | Lady_Aleena | Debian is my very first Linux, hence all the hair pulling. |
| 05:10.15 | ectospasm | ...but administration became a nightmare because I didn't want to wrestle with it constantly (Gentooers are admittedly proud of that fact, for some reason) |
| 05:10.43 | debianmaster0 | arch Linux is pretty decent package management system. But im still debian. |
| 05:10.44 | ectospasm | I ran to Ubuntu (since that what I was giving everybody else) |
| 05:10.54 | ectospasm | When I got tired of that, I settled on Debian |
| 05:11.13 | AB49K | I just like debian because I find it simple, It does what I want, It's easy (I always start with a bare bones install) and it runs well on low end hardware, which I really like |
| 05:11.14 | ectospasm | Until Debian can't service my needs, I won't be switching |
| 05:11.18 | Lady_Aleena | was told "Use Debian" so did. |
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| 05:13.52 | ectospasm | Lady_Aleena: stick with it, learning a new system's ways can be troublesome at times |
| 05:14.03 | flami | hah. way back when. debian was my 1st Linux too. got rid of windows off my laptop and went from there. with all the joys of wlan and ati graphics. |
| 05:14.13 | Lady_Aleena | KMail is good, right? |
| 05:14.27 | ectospasm | Lady_Aleena: if you like KDE, I hear it's good. |
| 05:14.27 | flami | I like kmail |
| 05:15.10 | flami | I use kontact. which has kmail in it. |
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| 05:21.23 | Lady_Aleena | ectospasm, I was told KDE was the desktop to go with. |
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| 05:26.50 | nwps | yyy/win 4 |
| 05:27.06 | nwps | oops, sorry. :) |
| 05:27.11 | flami | Lady_Aleena: While I really like KDE and think every other desktop should be wiped off the face of the earth, that is entirely subjective. you might like another desktop more. |
| 05:27.37 | AB49K | xfce xD |
| 05:28.57 | Lady_Aleena | flami, I've already begun customizing KDE, so I'm now sort of/kind of stuck with it. |
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| 05:30.07 | flami | welcome to the wonderful world of kde. where pretty much anything can be configured the way you want (tm) |
| 05:30.31 | Lady_Aleena | flami, I just wish my display resolution would stick between reboots. |
| 05:30.55 | flami | it doesn't ? what graphics card you got? |
| 05:31.00 | Lady_Aleena | ATI |
| 05:31.19 | flami | sorry its been years since |
| 05:31.26 | flami | i had an ati. |
| 05:31.38 | flami | no idea how those are managed these days |
| 05:31.49 | Lady_Aleena | I think I've been told my card isn't supported by Debian. |
| 05:32.07 | flami | which one is it? |
| 05:32.31 | Lady_Aleena | Can remember and forgot how to look it up. |
| 05:32.55 | flami | try lspci |
| 05:33.53 | Lady_Aleena | Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02) |
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| 05:37.41 | flami | oh , looks like the proprietary amd driver doesn't support it anymore. |
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| 05:38.11 | Lady_Aleena | Yeah... |
| 05:38.33 | debianmaster0 | i use mutt |
| 05:38.40 | debianmaster0 | when I don't want to read mail |
| 05:38.48 | debianmaster0 | i just delete all the messages |
| 05:38.49 | debianmaster0 | :D |
| 05:38.53 | Lady_Aleena | Can we pin this for a little bit. I want to go take a shower before I dive back into configuring my computer. |
| 05:39.04 | flami | Lady_Aleena: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 05:39.07 | flami | try that |
| 05:39.23 | debianmaster0 | anyone tried awk ? |
| 05:39.26 | Lady_Aleena | After my shower, okay? |
| 05:39.36 | flami | enjoy |
| 05:39.36 | debianmaster0 | tryed |
| 05:39.49 | debianmaster0 | Lady_Aleena: are you suggesting something ? ;) |
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| 05:49.25 | ectospasm | debianmaster0: I use awk occasionally |
| 05:49.37 | ectospasm | I tend to use it more than cut, but for the same purpose |
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| 05:56.09 | debianmaster0 | im just thinking that you might can just create a Virus out of a Unix Shell script. :) |
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| 05:57.14 | debianmaster0 | having a script run on a remote systems deleting files in a constant loop. :) |
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| 05:58.02 | debianmaster0 | use awk and sed to change files for prank. : ) |
| 05:58.18 | flami | debianmaster0: try this :(){ :|:& };: |
| 05:58.41 | debianmaster0 | what's |
| 05:58.44 | debianmaster0 | that |
| 05:58.46 | flami | I'll wait until you have rebooted your pc hehehe |
| 05:58.46 | debianmaster0 | a sad face |
| 05:58.57 | flami | no run it in bash |
| 05:59.04 | flami | in your console |
| 05:59.27 | flami | also it'll probably bring your pc to a sudden stop |
| 05:59.36 | debianmaster0 | no thanks |
| 05:59.38 | debianmaster0 | :) |
| 05:59.40 | debianmaster0 | ha hah |
| 05:59.42 | debianmaster0 | wildcards |
| 05:59.46 | flami | so I hope you didn't try it yet |
| 06:00.02 | debianmaster0 | kill -9 |
| 06:00.05 | debianmaster0 | flami |
| 06:00.21 | debianmaster0 | kill -9 flami |
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| 06:00.48 | debianmaster0 | stop the process |
| 06:01.39 | flami | you can't kill the process when it has exhausted the maximum amount of processes. |
| 06:02.18 | flami | try it if you are curious. or try to understand it and learn some shell scripting in the process |
| 06:02.42 | guest43242 | update mlocate is slowing down my compouter |
| 06:02.49 | guest43242 | anyone know how to stop it? |
| 06:02.58 | guest43242 | Ican bearly use a browser |
| 06:03.05 | LtL | flami: don't be telling people things like that man |
| 06:03.34 | LtL | guest43242: wait for it to finish |
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| 06:03.58 | rryoumaa | dizzylizzy: emacs has a cron-like thing |
| 06:04.03 | flami | Well he did want a "virus" |
| 06:04.30 | rryoumaa | flami: thanks. i am leery of non-debian repos and even non-debian apps. wish i could virtualize everything. |
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| 06:05.07 | guest43242 | no other way? |
| 06:05.12 | flami | sadly lxc is a bit in disarray in this debian release I hear |
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| 06:05.53 | rryoumaa | ideally i would be able to download any software, even untrustworthy stuff, and install it and have it all sandboxed separately for each one |
| 06:06.03 | flami | rryoumaa: you can try to create containers for everything. I use openvz for that but you need an old kernel since the patch only work for 2.6.32 |
| 06:06.38 | rryoumaa | Lady_Aleena: interestingly, i ran debian years ago as my first linux, and i had no problem with it. now my expectations must be higher. |
| 06:06.41 | flami | rryoumaa: you can also use lxc. but I was told its a bit wonky this release |
| 06:07.23 | flami | moreover peerguardian linux can be compiled from source iirc |
| 06:07.38 | rryoumaa | flami: i look forward to the time when we can do that :) |
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| 06:07.59 | flami | it already works , I have 30 containers on my toy server |
| 06:08.15 | flami | its just not automatic |
| 06:10.02 | rryoumaa | what is involved in doing that? |
| 06:10.05 | flami | its easy for cli stuff , stuff that needs X is probably a lot more fiddly. in case of peerguardian however it needs to run on the host since it needs to manipulate the hosts firewall |
| 06:10.24 | rryoumaa | ah |
| 06:10.59 | flami | http://linuxcontainers.org/ |
| 06:11.23 | flami | unless you only want pg to change one single container's firewall. |
| 06:11.58 | flami | as I said, I was told that lxc (linux containers) are a bit in disarray in this release. |
| 06:12.13 | flami | I use openvz, but getting that to run is a bit more involved |
| 06:14.58 | flami | http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=39538 . seems someone got firefox to run inside an lxc container |
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| 06:18.13 | rryoumaa | nice, thanks |
| 06:18.19 | Konata | Does linux mint have a channel here |
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| 06:19.04 | lazers | Konata: On different server iirc. |
| 06:19.21 | Konata | Yeah, just joined #linuxmint and found out |
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| 06:42.10 | qu | Does anyone have bumblebee working? |
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| 06:43.53 | vs73nx | yes i do |
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| 06:43.58 | zxd | hey |
| 06:44.29 | zxd | how do I restore the old bash colors that were in lenny in the latest debian release?? |
| 06:46.44 | wsky | zxd: what you want to be colourfull |
| 06:47.42 | zxd | files, directories |
| 06:47.57 | zxd | lenny had a lighter ver of blue for directories |
| 06:47.58 | qu | vs73nx: How did you do it? Can you pastebin your bumblebee.conf? |
| 06:48.15 | zxd | btw, where is the proper location for adding new paths to a user |
| 06:48.26 | qu | This whole thing is a trainwreck. |
| 06:48.28 | wsky | zxd: you need to add an alias for ls in your .bashrc or /etc/profile |
| 06:48.40 | Lady_Aleena | flami, glxinfo Command not found. |
| 06:48.42 | zxd | and why when I change to root there are more locations added to PATH, i don't see them in root's .profile or .bashrc |
| 06:49.01 | zxd | never mind I see the script in profile |
| 06:49.21 | flami | Lady_Aleena: apt-get install mesa-utils |
| 06:49.29 | wsky | zxd: like alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
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| 06:50.28 | Lady_Aleena | And I will want a walk through of how to never have to enter my password when using sudo. I don't want to have to type it ever again. |
| 06:50.42 | qu | Does anyone have bumblebee working at all? |
| 06:50.46 | flami | ever again? |
| 06:51.02 | Lady_Aleena | flami, never again for sudo. |
| 06:51.11 | flami | That is a big security risk , |
| 06:51.29 | flami | you can use sudo su when you want to work as root for a long time |
| 06:51.35 | zxd | wsky: I have colors |
| 06:51.35 | Lady_Aleena | I have a password which is more than 8 characters from all over my keyboard. |
| 06:51.36 | wsky | Lady_Aleena: i ahave a tutorial for you; apt-get --purge remove sudo |
| 06:51.38 | zxd | just ugly ones! |
| 06:51.47 | zxd | hahg |
| 06:52.12 | wsky | there are some variables for manipulating the ls colors if you care |
| 06:52.14 | Lady_Aleena | wsky, then I would always be working out of root. |
| 06:52.31 | wsky | zxd: i don't care even to google that for you |
| 06:52.59 | wsky | zxd: also, color vary in different terminals |
| 06:52.59 | flami | Lady_Aleena: you can run sudo su, get root in the shell and then work. also there is as no_password option for sudo iirc. |
| 06:53.02 | wsky | colors* |
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| 06:55.45 | flami | Lady_Aleena: get root, run visudo , find the line that gives your user all the rights. it might be either your username with ALL = ALL after it , or maybe something like admin ALL = ALL |
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| 06:56.15 | flami | Lady_Aleena: then change that ALL = ALL to ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL |
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| 06:58.12 | Lady_Aleena | flami, my name wasn't even in there. |
| 06:59.01 | flami | Lady_Aleena: can you find a line that says admin ALL = ALL ? or another line with ALL = ALL ? |
| 06:59.30 | Lady_Aleena | There is just root in there. |
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| 07:00.14 | flami | in that case I am wondering how you get sodu rights :P |
| 07:00.25 | Lady_Aleena | adduser .... |
| 07:00.49 | flami | ? add user doesn't grant admin rights |
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| 07:01.10 | flami | the sudoers file does. the stuff you change with visudo |
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| 07:02.00 | flami | but as I said , you can just type in sudo su when you open a new console when you plan on doing a lot of stuff as root. |
| 07:02.17 | Lady_Aleena | Oh good, I just messed up my system real good. |
| 07:02.38 | flami | how so? |
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| 07:03.25 | Lady_Aleena | I screwed up the visudo file. |
| 07:03.37 | Lady_Aleena | I can't even get into it to edit it. |
| 07:03.52 | flami | how did you do that? |
| 07:04.24 | Lady_Aleena | Probably an error in what I typed into it. |
| 07:04.27 | flami | get root with su . hope you remember your root password |
| 07:04.42 | flami | visudo should prevent that from happening |
| 07:04.53 | stooj | Hi - I'm trying to build a chroot, but seem to be getting a lot of missing packages: http://hastebin.com/heliloboxe.vhdl |
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| 07:05.38 | Lady_Aleena | flami, http://pastie.org/8536913 |
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| 07:06.10 | wols | ,v tar |
| 07:06.12 | judd | Package: tar on i386 -- squeeze: 1.23-3; wheezy: 1.26+dfsg-0.1; jessie: 1.26+dfsg-8; sid: 1.27-3 |
| 07:06.29 | wols | stooj: check your sources.list then |
| 07:06.37 | wols | stooj: /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
| 07:06.42 | flami | Lady_Aleena: open up a console and type su. |
| 07:07.09 | wols | Lady_Aleena: then check you sudoers file at line 21 |
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| 07:09.54 | Lady_Aleena | <me> ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL didn't work |
| 07:10.18 | flami | Lady_Aleena: did you change that line , or add it? |
| 07:10.29 | Lady_Aleena | add it |
| 07:10.35 | flami | then remove it |
| 07:10.54 | flami | becasuse you obviously have sudo rights already |
| 07:11.29 | flami | also that (ALL) seems to be too much. |
| 07:11.40 | Lady_Aleena | But having to type in the bloody password every time I open a new Konsole is a pain in the ass. |
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| 07:12.33 | Lady_Aleena | I am sick and tired of typing in a password. It is my computer, so I shouldn't have to type a password in for anything. |
| 07:12.48 | flami | wait. |
| 07:12.58 | flami | paste your sudoers file somewhere |
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| 07:13.17 | flami | also visudo should have bitched that you made an error |
| 07:14.17 | Lady_Aleena | flami, http://pastie.org/8536920 |
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| 07:15.32 | flami | Lady_Aleena: run id <yourname> and check if you are in the sudo group |
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| 07:17.12 | Lady_Aleena | http://pastie.org/8536926 |
| 07:18.19 | flami | Lady_Aleena: change %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL to %sudo ALL= NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 07:18.54 | flami | use visudo. if it complains about an error, don't save the file |
| 07:19.00 | flami | quit with x |
| 07:19.36 | Lady_Aleena | It did not complain. |
| 07:19.46 | flami | then try it in another window |
| 07:20.01 | Lady_Aleena | Just did. Thanks! |
| 07:20.50 | flami | now to get glxinfo |
| 07:21.04 | flami | aptitude install mesa-utils |
| 07:22.06 | flami | glxinfo needs to be run as your current user. not root |
| 07:22.55 | Lady_Aleena | flami, direct rendering: Yes |
| 07:23.15 | flami | okay so your driver works correctly it seems |
| 07:23.43 | Lady_Aleena | It seems KDE forgets what I set my resolution to between reboots. |
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| 07:24.29 | flami | yeah . which is wierd, works fine for me(tm) |
| 07:24.54 | Lady_Aleena | flami, I spent 2 days trying to get sound to work, my whole system is weird. |
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| 07:25.36 | flami | Lady_Aleena: how did you set the resolution ? did you use the kde stuff ? |
| 07:26.00 | flami | I mean systemsettings -> display |
| 07:26.07 | Lady_Aleena | flami, System Settings -> Display |
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| 07:26.36 | flami | and what does it do? start with a resolution that's too low? |
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| 07:27.14 | Lady_Aleena | Too high! 1600 x 1200. That is way too tiny for my monitor. |
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| 07:27.52 | flami | also at the bottom of that page . you can select , "save as default" that might be it. I think kde usually takes the highest resolution |
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| 07:28.30 | Lady_Aleena | I'll see if that works the next time I reboot. |
| 07:28.43 | flami | I have huge screens ^^ . I want high resolutions, never ran into that problem. but you can change kde's font size and pretty much anything |
| 07:29.08 | flami | that way you can have your screen's native res, and have readable fonts |
| 07:29.33 | Lady_Aleena | With text as tiny as 1600 x 1200 is, I'd have to set the system default font size to something like 24pt or highter. |
| 07:30.46 | flami | yes. go to system settings and then application settings . |
| 07:30.50 | Lady_Aleena | I can read tiny print, but 1600 x 1200 is like reading the fine print on a snake oil salesman's contracts. |
| 07:30.54 | flami | there you can change the font size |
| 07:31.20 | Lady_Aleena | flami, I'm set right now. |
| 07:31.29 | flami | okay. |
| 07:32.08 | flami | with lcd screens its just favorable to run them at their native res. makes the picture better |
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| 07:32.33 | flami | also I meant application appearance |
| 07:32.59 | Lady_Aleena | I know, everything is slightly fuzzy in this resolution. |
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| 07:33.36 | Lady_Aleena | It is sad my video card isn't supported. |
| 07:33.46 | flami | Lady_Aleena: it is supported. |
| 07:34.11 | flami | its just so old that ati dropped support. the open source drivers support it though |
| 07:34.26 | Lady_Aleena | I wish ATI still supported it. |
| 07:34.48 | Lady_Aleena | My hair is finally dry. |
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| 07:35.21 | flami | Lady_Aleena: at this point it doesn't really matter. the ati proprietary driver for that hardware was pretty bad. ( I know I had an r400) |
| 07:35.32 | Lady_Aleena | Now, do I want to try to set up email, file transferring, or start in on setting up my special keyboard keys? |
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| 07:36.25 | flami | Lady_Aleena: if you want to increase the fonts easily, in application appearance you can force a certain dpi for fonts, that way you can shrink or grow them all at once |
| 07:36.33 | Lady_Aleena | Special keyboard keys like setting Keycode 133 to emulate clicking the mouse to open the Application Launcher Menu. |
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| 07:37.13 | flami | what files do you want t transfer and what protocol ? widows shares, ftp ... ? |
| 07:37.45 | Lady_Aleena | Or keycode 172 to play/pause whatever is playing in VLC/JuK/DragonPlayer. |
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| 07:38.06 | flami | Lady_Aleena: for keyboard shortcuts look in the system settings |
| 07:38.14 | flami | you can set a bazillion there |
| 07:38.16 | Lady_Aleena | flami, I want to transfer files from my local website directory to my webhost. |
| 07:38.48 | flami | does your webhost support stfp? |
| 07:39.50 | flami | if not . just open dolphin, in the adress bar type ftp: or sftp://username@host/ |
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| 07:40.17 | Lady_Aleena | Yes, Xecu.net does in one place, in another it doesn't. |
| 07:40.50 | flami | if you have ssh access you can also do fish://username@host/ |
| 07:40.58 | flami | then you can bookmark the place |
| 07:41.04 | flami | and you are done |
| 07:41.05 | Lady_Aleena | Unfortunately, I need to wait until Monday to get the SFTP info again. I forgot to back up my FileZilla config file with all the login information in it. |
| 07:41.26 | flami | either way dolphin has got you covered |
| 07:42.23 | Lady_Aleena | flami, so basically ssh is sftp:<my email address>. |
| 07:43.35 | flami | well if your ftp host is the same as in your email address, yes |
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| 07:45.00 | flami | Lady_Aleena: maybe sftp://sftpusername@sftphost/path/to/your/files is clearer . |
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| 07:45.32 | Lady_Aleena | BTW, I just looked at System Settings -> Shortcuts and Gestures and can't find how to ADD stuff. |
| 07:45.39 | flami | Lady_Aleena: also pay attention ftps (ftp over ssl) is no sftp (ftp over ssh) |
| 07:46.37 | flami | Lady_Aleena: the very first tab . custom shortcuts? isn't that the place to add some? |
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| 07:46.49 | stooj | wols: Thanks for the help - sorry I was away |
| 07:46.55 | Lady_Aleena | Finally found it, however, it is not easy. |
| 07:47.14 | flami | Lady_Aleena: also look in that of pre-fab shortcuts, there might be some you want anyway |
| 07:47.52 | Lady_Aleena | I already looked for a way to open Dolphin with key# 192 |
| 07:48.17 | Lady_Aleena | Open Konsole with key# 193 |
| 07:48.53 | Lady_Aleena | key numbers are what I got from vex. |
| 07:48.56 | flami | doesn't look that hard . choose key, choose command? |
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| 07:49.34 | flami | you don't need keycodes |
| 07:49.43 | flami | why do you use keycodes? :P |
| 07:50.04 | Lady_Aleena | Someone else told me to look them up. |
| 07:50.36 | Lady_Aleena | Now I need to know where all the programs are stored so I can create the shortcuts. |
| 07:50.52 | flami | /usr/bin |
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| 07:51.15 | flami | or type which <command> in your console |
| 07:51.27 | blubberdiblub | flami, sftp is no ftp over ssh, it's ssh's own file transfer protocol |
| 07:52.11 | flami | blubberdiblub: its a protocol really similar to ftp that is part of ssh. I know .but technicalities. |
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| 07:54.07 | flami | Lady_Aleena: xev is nice to firgure out if a key is actually recognized, if it is , you should be able to just press it in the custom shortcut thing in the system settings. |
| 07:55.55 | Lady_Aleena | DARN IT! I want to assign a key press to several programs, but it won't let me. |
| 07:56.01 | flami | Lady_Aleena: also it might help when you check in Input devices to select a keyboard that is similar to yours maybe. |
| 07:56.17 | Lady_Aleena | flami, I got the closest one. |
| 07:56.43 | flami | what you mean? start several programs? |
| 07:56.47 | Lady_Aleena | I now have hotkeys for Konsole and Dolphin, so I'm sort of/kind of happy. |
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| 07:57.11 | Lady_Aleena | I want the play/pause button to play and pause in VLC, Juk, Dragon player, etc. |
| 07:57.41 | Lady_Aleena | I haven't even opened Dragon player yet. |
| 07:57.47 | zxd | forgot the command that shows the mountpoint of where a directory or file resides |
| 07:57.48 | flami | Lady_Aleena: you can write a script that does that. but don't these programs have their own hotkey management? |
| 07:58.07 | flami | zxd: mount ? |
| 07:58.08 | Lady_Aleena | flami, I am used to hitting play/pause to play and pause music. |
| 07:59.02 | Lady_Aleena | I'm actually missing Windows Media Player right now. VLC and Juk aren't cutting it. |
| 07:59.07 | flami | Lady_Aleena: can't you set these keys in ecah progam? |
| 07:59.31 | flami | what kind of media player do you want? like a full blown media center? |
| 07:59.31 | Lady_Aleena | flami, I tried to set it in a second program and got a conflict warning. |
| 07:59.56 | Lady_Aleena | I want one which when minimized gives me a little console in the task bar. |
| 08:00.23 | flami | Lady_Aleena: for music? amarok |
| 08:00.25 | Lady_Aleena | However, I must go to the kitchen for about 10 minutes. |
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| 08:02.31 | flami | Lady_Aleena: for amarok there are a lot of plasma widgets that help manage it. so you can pretty much have whatever you want popping up in the task bar |
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| 08:07.40 | flami | Lady_Aleena: for vlc you can change the hotkeys in its settings , no need to make global shortcuts . also I remebered that Kaffeine was a nice video player. |
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| 08:20.45 | Lady_Aleena | *\o/* VLC works better with the play/pause button working with it. |
| 08:21.04 | wsky | it has a play button? madness. |
| 08:22.44 | flami | Lady_Aleena: I think every media program should have their shortcuts in their preferences |
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| 08:23.34 | Lady_Aleena | wsky, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LAs_new_kb_and_mouse.JPG |
| 08:24.10 | wsky | "ergonomic" :( |
| 08:24.23 | Lady_Aleena | New 5 years ago.... |
| 08:24.39 | Lady_Aleena | wsky, I love it. Typing on any other keyboard is too cramped. |
| 08:24.53 | wsky | i play games. |
| 08:25.18 | Lady_Aleena | And you need a teeny tiny keyboard? |
| 08:25.43 | wsky | i need non-ergonomi ones |
| 08:25.46 | wsky | c |
| 08:26.13 | Lady_Aleena | Ergonomic is probably the only reason I don't have a major case of carpal tunnel yet. |
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| 08:26.25 | wsky | lol |
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| 08:27.15 | wsky | mamatour |
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| 08:27.18 | wsky | amatour |
| 08:28.18 | Lady_Aleena | amateur? |
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| 08:31.10 | Lady_Aleena | So Monday is when I'll set up file transferring and email. I just hope readpst gets EVERYTHING out of my outlook.pst file. |
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| 09:26.29 | zxd | package |
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| 09:32.33 | kyconquers | I know this isn't the place to ask but I have been getting harassing text messages and I need to lookup their name so I can pursue legal action against them to make them stop. does anyone know of a lookup tool to find who they are from a cell phone number? |
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| 09:33.27 | kyconquers | or at least a channel that I should ask this on? |
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| 09:37.33 | DelphiWorld | hey guys, |
| 09:37.48 | DelphiWorld | netinst question |
| 09:38.09 | DelphiWorld | if i download a netinst img, and remove all requiremants except of a minimal image, do i still need internet? |
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| 09:38.56 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, yes, i think so. it'll download the base packages from the net, if i remember correctly |
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| 09:39.56 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: ok,thank so much |
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| 09:40.16 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: another question, will debootstrap help me installing a clean debian (in the same machine, without CD) ? |
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| 09:41.02 | wols | yes |
| 09:41.12 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, yes, you can install debian into a directory and then chroot into it |
| 09:41.26 | wols | DelphiWorld: and no, you do not need internet with the netinst installer. it will be a very bare debian but it will be a full debian |
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| 09:41.55 | wols | blubberdiblub: only businesscard installer needed internet access, and that doesn't exist anymre |
| 09:42.01 | DelphiWorld | woll, thank dude pretty neat expression:) |
| 09:42.07 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, where "directory" may of course be an own partition |
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| 09:42.22 | blubberdiblub | wols, i see. good to know |
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| 09:43.35 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub, but can that later on become my own OS directly bootable (on boot), and get rid of the main os? |
| 09:43.43 | DelphiWorld | i think i can create an image, but i dont know how |
| 09:43.53 | DelphiWorld | i cant install debian myself, just due to sight loss |
| 09:43.54 | DelphiWorld | i am blind |
| 09:44.00 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, debootstrapping usually requires some action on your behalf like installing a kernel, initramfs, update-grub |
| 09:44.29 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: right, and i wish to debootstrap a pretty smaller (smalest ever) image, and dd it whenever i wantr |
| 09:44.32 | DelphiWorld | want* |
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| 09:44.46 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, and yes, it can become your bootable OS, but you need to install the kernel, etc. after debootstrapping by chrooting into the dir |
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| 09:45.26 | wols | DelphiWorld: the smallest debian you can use is a netinst where you don't install anything via tasksel |
| 09:45.28 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: i'lle try it just now, i'lle ping you if i need something ok? |
| 09:45.37 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, sure |
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| 09:46.00 | DelphiWorld | woll, good to know, but i want a ready to DD image, to avoid having such issue with my blindness, got me? |
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| 09:46.35 | DelphiWorld | thank blubberdiblub:) |
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| 09:47.18 | DelphiWorld | there's no way to install debian without screen reader, and the eSpeak TTS is so shitty voiced |
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| 09:49.12 | drybjed | DelphiWorld: what would you want to use after installation? |
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| 09:49.50 | DelphiWorld | hey drybjed lol, VoIp/web Server / NFS / MPD... and lot of stufs |
| 09:49.53 | wols | DelphiWorld: there are specific ressource for installing debian when blind: https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Debian_installer_accessibility |
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| 09:50.34 | yottanami | We have some Debian servers and that serves different services like web, mail and .now I need define some rules and documentation for maintainers and administrators, Is any ready docs for maintaining rules ? |
| 09:50.46 | drybjed | DelphiWorld: I mean, I could write you an ansible playbook (a provisioning system) that could install and configure Debian with whatever you want |
| 09:51.04 | drybjed | DelphiWorld: reinstall would be easy to perform with that |
| 09:51.05 | DelphiWorld | drybjed: how do that work? hmmmmmmmmm |
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| 09:51.45 | drybjed | DelphiWorld: in essence, install Debian with preseeding, then configure it using bunch of python scripts which can do whatever you want |
| 09:52.00 | drybjed | DelphiWorld: I do unattended Debian installs all the time now |
| 09:52.01 | DelphiWorld | drybjed: is that open source? how can i get it? |
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| 09:52.21 | drybjed | DelphiWorld: sure, it's open source. http://github.com/ansible/ansible would be a good starting point |
| 09:52.23 | DelphiWorld | drybjed: can i have it in a dedicated pc and let other pc's use it on netboot or something? |
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| 09:52.32 | drybjed | DelphiWorld: yes |
| 09:52.47 | DelphiWorld | drybjed: awesomeness... that's my real needs :) |
| 09:52.48 | drybjed | DelphiWorld: ansible does not require dedicated infrastructure, it uses ssh to do it's work |
| 09:53.04 | DelphiWorld | drybjed: is pm ok? |
| 09:53.09 | drybjed | sure, go for it |
| 09:53.42 | DelphiWorld | woll, and blubberdiblub, thank for the accessibility page. but, that require a sighted person to do it for me anyway, no? :-) |
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| 09:56.22 | ay_ | hi all, dealing with locale and having setup with en_US - if a package doesn't have any en_US.po, which po will be used between available; en_{AU|CA|GB} ? |
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| 09:58.47 | wols | ay_: C will |
| 09:59.31 | mowgl3y | hello #debian. i am on stable/testing. only DE on my system is gnome 3.4. I want to move to gnome 3.8 in testing. i am doing a apt-get install -t testing gnome. this the error message that i get http://paste.debian.net/69785/. how to go about it? i don't want to upgrade fully. |
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| 10:01.09 | jelly-home | mowgl3y: there's no sane way to combine stable with anything newer apart from backports... you want 3.8 gnome, use testing. |
| 10:01.40 | mowgl3y | jelly-home: so i would have to do a full system upgrade? |
| 10:01.45 | jelly-home | yes |
| 10:01.45 | wols | mowgl3y: yes |
| 10:01.58 | ay_ | wols: ty, I reconfigured in en_GB then |
| 10:02.03 | mowgl3y | ah ok cheers. |
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| 10:02.22 | jelly-home | of course, testing may be broken, etc etc |
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| 10:19.39 | war9407 | Does anyone how to make netstat permanently show IPV6 connections only? (i know you can alias netstat with netstat -A inet6 ) but aside from that, is there a configuration file (nsswitch.conf to make it ipv6 only) ? |
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| 10:22.10 | ompaul | war9407: better alias n-a |
| 10:22.50 | ompaul | war9407: also look in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 10:24.13 | war9407 | kk, thx. |
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| 10:31.07 | ooxi | hi i have a debian machine running in the local network with dhcp and dhcpv6. while ubuntu machines register their hostname<->ip in the local dns server (a fritzbox) with both ipv4 and ipv6, debian only registers the ipv4 address |
| 10:31.22 | ooxi | how can i tell debian to also register the ipv6 address? |
| 10:32.24 | ooxi | ah i'm running debian wheezy |
| 10:33.01 | bwc34 | ooxi: Hmm, using tunnel ipv4 -> ipv6? |
| 10:33.17 | wsky | ooxi: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:33.29 | wsky | ooxi: enable v6 |
| 10:33.31 | bwc34 | wsky: of course :) |
| 10:33.36 | ooxi | bwc34, no i have native ipv6 connectivity |
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| 10:33.49 | ooxi | wsky but ifconfig tells me eth0 does have an ipv6 address |
| 10:33.57 | bwc34 | ooxi: ok, sure. Show /etc/network/interfaces :) |
| 10:34.05 | wsky | ooxi: is it a fe80....? |
| 10:34.30 | ooxi | http://pastebin.com/STjV5eLR <-- /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:34.54 | ooxi | wsky it's a fe80 and a 2a02 (global) |
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| 10:36.07 | bwc34 | ooxi: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 10:36.35 | wsky | ooxi: try gimp/ |
| 10:36.40 | wsky | whoops |
| 10:36.51 | wsky | ooxi: try iface eth0 inet6 dhcp |
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| 10:39.06 | ooxi | wsky changed inet to inet6 but nothing really changed |
| 10:39.24 | ooxi | still got both ipv4 and ipv6 addresses and hostname is not in dns AAAA but only A |
| 10:40.08 | ooxi | no wait dhclient didn't do anything, it told me the file already exists |
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| 10:42.01 | ooxi | ok after a reboot the machine doesn't have an ipv4 address, only ipv6 (communicating with the internet works) but still isn't in the dns :/ |
| 10:42.39 | wsky | ooxi: i didn't tell you to replace the line |
| 10:42.53 | ooxi | no wait, only communicating with the local network works, not with the internet |
| 10:42.56 | wsky | ooxi: i think you should place one after another |
| 10:43.12 | wsky | ooxi: you do not need to reboot |
| 10:43.14 | ooxi | it seams that my machine doesn't use dhcpv6, could that be? |
| 10:43.21 | wsky | ooxi: just do service networking restart |
| 10:43.30 | wsky | ooxi: nope |
| 10:43.59 | wsky | 11:42 < wsky> ooxi: i think you should place one after another |
| 10:44.02 | wsky | whoops |
| 10:44.05 | wsky | sorry for that |
| 10:44.09 | wsky | i'm bit tired |
| 10:44.19 | ooxi | will do :) |
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| 10:45.44 | ooxi | ok now i have both ipv4 and ipv6 addresses but still, only ipv4 is registered in dns :/ |
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| 10:46.39 | ooxi | dhclient -6 -v tells me it receives an address via dhcp |
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| 10:51.17 | wsky | ooxi: look what man says |
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| 10:54.17 | wsky | ooxi: ooxi Using this method on its own doesn't mean that RDNSS options will be applied, too. To make this happen, rdnssd daemon must be installed, properly configured and running. |
| 10:55.09 | ooxi | wsky thanks for the hint! |
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| 11:05.23 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: hany simple cmdline iso recorder tool? |
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| 11:06.52 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, wodim? cdrdao? i'm not sure if they're simple, tho |
| 11:07.06 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: i'm apting wodim |
| 11:07.32 | DelphiWorld | i hate man... |
| 11:08.51 | str4 | try woman |
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| 11:09.36 | bwc34 | :D |
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| 11:11.28 | str4 | I'm serious. I find myself using M-x woman instead of M-x man all the time. |
| 11:11.47 | str4 | i think it has a nicer interface |
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| 11:14.19 | blubberdiblub | i believe DelphiWorld's problem is that *off formatting or the default pager or both don't work too well in conjunction with a screen reader |
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| 11:14.53 | jmd | Something keeps dumping files in /tmp and filling it up. How can I find out what is doing it? |
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| 11:15.32 | str4 | jmd: lsof | grep /tmp |
| 11:15.41 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: right and drybjed is giving me a neat solution |
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| 11:16.23 | DelphiWorld | lol str4 hahaha |
| 11:16.29 | str4 | jmd: I've that problem with iceweasel, and the files are hidden until I kill it |
| 11:16.38 | drybjed | it will some work but preseeding is a neat solution |
| 11:17.34 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, i was referring to "i hate man" |
| 11:17.39 | str4 | DelphiWorld: have you tried emacspeak? |
| 11:17.49 | DelphiWorld | str4: crapy tts;) |
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| 11:18.16 | jmd | str4: That's only going to work if I can catch whatever it is whilst it is doing it. |
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| 11:22.28 | str4 | jmd: if you figure out a way of monitoring and logging /tmp usage, please tell me, that would be useful to me too. |
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| 11:23.11 | jmd | ok. |
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| 11:37.24 | katana- | hello |
| 11:37.33 | katana- | I have to use xset -b to turn off that horrible painful bell |
| 11:37.43 | katana- | is there a way i can have it turn off automatically? |
| 11:37.53 | jmd | Lots of ways. |
| 11:38.41 | jmd | depending on exactly what you mean by "automatically" |
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| 11:39.03 | katana- | i dont want to have to type it myself every time |
| 11:39.06 | jmd | For example, do you want it turned off only for yourself or for all users? |
| 11:39.26 | katana- | just myself I guess |
| 11:39.44 | katana- | i'm the only user so it either is fine |
| 11:39.45 | jmd | Put that xset command in your .Xsession file. |
| 11:39.50 | katana- | okay thanks |
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| 11:43.26 | jmd | katana-: Incidently, the command is xset b NOT xset -b |
| 11:43.52 | katana- | i use xset -b to turn the bell off |
| 11:44.01 | katana- | because it hurts |
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| 11:45.35 | jmd | Oh. I use 'xset b off' |
| 11:45.44 | jmd | -b must be new ... |
| 11:45.49 | katana- | oh neat |
| 11:46.10 | katana- | i had tried changing the pitch and duration but really it just isnt a good sound |
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| 11:46.52 | wsky | ok one more try |
| 11:47.16 | wsky | i'll kill all the preinstalled telcom services |
| 11:49.30 | str4 | katana-: visual bell. at least kde does it right. |
| 11:49.46 | str4 | it gives options for timing / color tint |
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| 11:50.43 | katana- | yeah im just scared of some kde things |
| 11:50.48 | katana- | otherwise id use it |
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| 12:19.29 | anddam | hi, I'm seeing lot of memory used by long time running php-cgi process https://gist.github.com/anddam/7856637 |
| 12:20.06 | anddam | how can I check if those are actually still doing something or just sitting there leaking memory? |
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| 12:37.46 | dutchfish | anddam, http://www.atoptool.nl/ |
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| 12:51.02 | johndoe | how do i enable the "reisub" trick? |
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| 12:55.38 | alexturner | : Hey guys - I have a virtual ethernet device running on a debian machine and I'm trying to find out what driver it's using - how can I do this? |
| 12:56.22 | wols | johndoe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
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| 13:03.10 | johndoe | wols: thanks :) |
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| 13:23.30 | b-tag | Guys, when I try to install the php5-exactimage package, I get the notice: "Depends: phpapi-20090626+lfs" where I can't find such package... how do I solve that? |
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| 13:23.45 | DelphiWorld | 'lo |
| 13:23.52 | wols | ,v php5-exactimage |
| 13:23.53 | judd | Package: php5-exactimage on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.1-3+deb6u3; squeeze-security: 0.8.1-3+deb6u3; wheezy: 0.8.5-5+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 0.8.5-5+deb7u3; jessie: 0.8.9-2; sid: 0.8.9-2 |
| 13:24.10 | wols | b-tag: what debian branch do you run? |
| 13:24.18 | abrotman | b-tag: patsebin your sources.list please |
| 13:24.41 | b-tag | Squeeze, but I have added the dotdeb sources |
| 13:24.53 | abrotman | that woiuld be why nothing works |
| 13:24.56 | wols | !dotdeb |
| 13:24.57 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 13:25.05 | abrotman | b-tag: dotdeb is a broken pile of crap |
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| 13:25.24 | b-tag | hm :/ |
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| 13:25.53 | abrotman | why not upgrade to wheezy? |
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| 13:26.37 | b-tag | Well, the upgrade might need time I can't spare right now, so... |
| 13:27.19 | abrotman | using dotdeb is likely to cause problems that are fairly serious |
| 13:27.39 | b-tag | hm... so how could I revert to the previous version of the packages, before using dotdeb? |
| 13:28.16 | b-tag | Is there a quick/easy way for that, I mean? |
| 13:28.44 | abrotman | remove the source line, try using aptitude |
| 13:29.39 | b-tag | abrotman, thanks :) |
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| 13:35.24 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 13:36.00 | eptalon | when installing debian, with a raid5, is there an easy way to tell mdadm to create the partition as necessary? |
| 13:37.06 | eptalon | I have three disks that work that way, and want to add a fourth, with the partition set accordingly; but I cannto seem to set the start of the partition below 2048 |
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| 13:39.20 | TriRas | 3/wc |
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| 13:40.04 | tremon | eptalon: if you want to use the entire disk for that raid5 set, you don't need to create a partition at all |
| 13:40.42 | eptalon | tremon: I have a 4 (identical) disk setup; I have partitions on the other three disks, starting at sector 56, though. |
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| 13:41.36 | eptalon | fdisk does not seem to allow to set a value lower than 2048... |
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| 13:41.53 | tremon | that's a very odd place to start. I would have expected 63 or higher. but assuming you're using mbr partitioning, how about dd if=/dev/sdOLD of=/dev/sdNEW bs=512 count=1? |
| 13:42.12 | tremon | you disk, set fdisk in dos compatibility mode ('c') and ignore its warnings |
| 13:42.39 | tremon | err, you disk should have been "you can" |
| 13:43.28 | eptalon | don't ask me; had this runninf for some time. now one of the disks dropped out (with a nice xfs error), rebuilt/slavaged the xfs, but a 3.disk raid5 is the minimal config. |
| 13:44.09 | eptalon | so i wanted to readd the fourth partition; and if I again get an error the disk will be junked. |
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| 13:46.28 | eptalon | tremon: /dev/sdNew is not large enough to join array? |
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| 13:49.18 | tremon | You need to provide more info than that. what command did you run, and what's the output of dmesg|grep -w sd and cat /proc/mdstat? |
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| 13:49.26 | tremon | !paste |
| 13:49.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:53.50 | eptalon | tremon: http://pastebin.com/3r68UsVJ |
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| 13:54.56 | spm_Draget | So I did not choose 'Desktop Environment' during the advanced install of debian. Now I want to install everything needed for XFCE. The Wiki suggest 'xfce4' and 'xfce-goodies'. But this did not install for example a loginmanager. What pacakges does the installer install when I choose xfce and to install 'Desktop environment'? |
| 13:54.56 | spm_Draget | Is there some list? |
| 13:54.59 | eptalon | tremon: the disk in question reports 419 crc errors. |
| 13:55.45 | eptalon | spm_Draget: the package xfe4 is a virtual package, that has dependencies on the things it installed. |
| 13:55.55 | eptalon | spm_Draget: xfce4 |
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| 13:56.19 | spm_Draget | eptalon: I thought so - but it did not install a login-manage for example |
| 13:56.24 | tremon | spm_Draget: run tasksel again. But iirc it installs lightdm as login manager |
| 13:56.24 | eptalon | spm_Draget: try "apt-cache show xfce4" to see what is installed. |
| 13:56.58 | tremon | eptalon: crc errors are a symptom of the system failing, not necessarily the disk. It can be either the sata cable, motherboard controller or the disk controller |
| 13:57.39 | eptalon | spm_Draget: there are a few login managers. xdm and gdm come to mind, there may be others. |
| 13:57.51 | eptalon | tremon: already checked cabling, no issues there. |
| 13:58.09 | spm_Draget | tremon: Hmm, thanks for the hint. I guess 'desktop=xfce tasksel' might do the trick? |
| 13:58.20 | spm_Draget | eptalon: Yes, I know I could install lightdm for example. But I'd like to know what the installer would have installed if I used it. |
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| 13:59.07 | eptalon | spm_Draget: "apt-cache show xfce4 |grep Depends:" |
| 13:59.13 | spm_Draget | I hope selecting 'Desktop environment' when running 'desktop=xfce tasksel' will not install a gnome or something like this, now =S |
| 13:59.49 | spm_Draget | eptalon: I did installed 'xfce4'. This is *not* the only thing the installer installs for a desktop environment. |
| 14:00.04 | spm_Draget | eptalon: The 'xfce4' package only contains the xfce4 basis packages. |
| 14:00.18 | tremon | spm_Draget: I'm not familiar with how tasksel works exactly. I would hope that tasksel --list-tasks lists xfce explicitly, but I'm not sure |
| 14:01.25 | eptalon | spm_Draget: I use xfce4 with xdm, but I also have gnome installed (which I like less, though). Depends a bit on what each user wants, as experience. |
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| 14:02.23 | tremon | eptalon: which command gave you the "device is not large enough to join array" error? |
| 14:02.30 | spm_Draget | eptalon: Yes, I know the alternatives. I'd just like to know what the installed would have installed :-P tremon suggested task-sel which I am testing right now, which seems to do exactly what I want =) |
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| 14:02.46 | eptalon | tremon: mdadm /dev/md2 --add /dev/sdd1 |
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| 14:04.21 | eptalon | tremon: if the disk had crc errors it likely masked some sectors; hence its size (nbr of available sectors is different). |
| 14:04.24 | spm_Draget | eptalon: Is '/dev/sdd' already part of the mdraid? |
| 14:04.44 | eptalon | spm_Draget: sdb1,sdc1, and sde1 are. |
| 14:04.59 | eptalon | spm_Draget: sdd1 was but dropped out because of errors. |
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| 14:06.25 | tremon | eptalon: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/97041/mdadm-previously-working-after-failure-cannot-join-array-due-to-disk-size seems to suggest mdadm's defaults wrt data offset may have changed. |
| 14:06.57 | spm_Draget | There is a package task-xfce-desktop o.o |
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| 14:09.35 | hellspy | how can i install the flash plugin? |
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| 14:10.10 | eptalon | tremon: 262144 on one disk, 26096 on the other? |
| 14:10.22 | eptalon | er 260096? |
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| 14:11.40 | tremon | eptalon: bah. now to find a way to be explicit about its data-offset when re-adding a device... |
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| 14:13.32 | eptalon | tremon: if sw raid doesn't work, try hw raid, but that will be expensive, and even more locked as to drives. |
| 14:15.03 | dvs | !tell hellspy about adobe flash |
| 14:15.32 | hellspy | u know, its weekend and ive been trying to install it, a lot of trouble |
| 14:15.42 | hellspy | but i believe its worth it |
| 14:16.08 | eptalon | hellspy: there's an adobe flash package, I guess in non-free. |
| 14:16.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell hellspy about adobe flash |
| 14:17.11 | hellspy | i just did it here, no i can get back to my boring life |
| 14:17.25 | dvs | ... |
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| 14:22.16 | tremon | eptalon: you could try mdadm /dev/md2 --re-add /dev/sdd1 but I wouldn't want to risk that without a complete data backup. I can't find an easy way to force a metadata layout, you may need to ask on the ML: http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-raid |
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| 14:23.25 | eptalon | tremon: there are three disks with valid data, I guess re-adding a forth (with partition re-created, so metadata gone) won't affect it. |
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| 14:23.59 | eptalon | tremon: and yes, re-add gives the same "is not large enough" error. |
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| 14:25.39 | tremon | eptalon: btw, if you recreate a partition in exactly the same place, the old data is still there. Nothing will automatically be wiped if you edit only the partition table |
| 14:26.02 | eptalon | tremon: I know. |
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| 14:27.47 | no_gravity | Good Afternoon! |
| 14:28.03 | no_gravity | Is it easy to make my debian machine reachable via vnc when it sits behind a router? |
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| 14:28.52 | eriberto | no_gravity, you must to set a NAT in your router. |
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| 14:29.24 | eptalon | no_gravity: vnc is using a given port, so you forward that port from your router to your machine. (Called "NAT"). |
| 14:30.19 | no_gravity | ok. first step... find out the ip of the router :) |
| 14:31.01 | no_gravity | oh, goti it! |
| 14:33.37 | spm_Draget | So… (eptalon and tremon if interested…), the installer installs 'task-xfce-desktop' which will also install the loginmanager, xfce4 and such. So one can install 'task-xfce-desktop' and be done. 'tasksel' has no propper descriptions (--task-desc) and does not tell you that it does not respect the environment variable 'desktop' (as I guessed from the Wiki) and the desktop-task will install a gnome3. So… 'task-xfce-desktop' |
| 14:33.37 | spm_Draget | package was what I was looking for =) |
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| 14:35.05 | spm_Draget | no_gravity: Try punching the IP into a webbrowser. Most have a webinterface… but it depends on the vendor how it is used. Google for howto's on 'PortForwarding + <your router>'. Most likely you will configure 'external port: 5900, internal port: 5900, host: <your desktop>' |
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| 14:35.45 | w3gi | hallo i have a problem with my RPi... |
| 14:35.46 | spm_Draget | But (!!!), that means anyone from the internet can connect to that port. Make sure your VNC is password-protected and not running all the time. |
| 14:36.06 | no_gravity | spm_Draget: you are talking to me? |
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| 14:36.14 | spm_Draget | (repost) no_gravity: Try punching the IP into a webbrowser. Most have a webinterface… but it depends on the vendor how it is used. Google for howto's on 'PortForwarding + <your router>'. Most likely you will configure 'external port: 5900, internal port: 5900, host: <your desktop>' |
| 14:36.19 | w3gi | wich module i need to get a TL-WN723N running? |
| 14:36.25 | w3gi | it's a wifi-dongle |
| 14:36.26 | no_gravity | spm_Draget: yes, i found it! |
| 14:37.34 | DelphiWorld | w3gi: see what chipset, it's USB or PCI? regardless, try lsusb / lspci |
| 14:37.58 | dvs | w3gi: pastebin output of "lsusb" |
| 14:37.58 | w3gi | usb |
| 14:38.01 | spm_Draget | w3gi: You'd be better off asking this in ##linux or the raspberrypi channel. |
| 14:38.10 | spm_Draget | w3gi: It has a realtek chipset: r8712u |
| 14:38.21 | spm_Draget | (r8712u is the name of the module) |
| 14:38.23 | airstrik1 | hi. i have connected a usb stick and i'm not sure how to mount it. it wasn't mounted automatically and it's not listed in `df` |
| 14:38.34 | w3gi | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:8179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. |
| 14:38.34 | w3gi | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp. SMSC9512/9514 Fast Ethernet Adapter |
| 14:38.34 | w3gi | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9512 Standard Microsystems Corp. LAN9500 Ethernet 10/100 Adapter / SMSC9512/9514 Hub |
| 14:38.53 | w3gi | ok and what is the module that i need to install? |
| 14:38.59 | w3gi | apt-get install ??? |
| 14:39.00 | dvs | w3gi: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 14:40.42 | spm_Draget | @w3gi: By the way, I found the module/chipset on the first google hit on 'TL-WN723N linux' ;-) |
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| 14:42.46 | w3gi | i dont find it |
| 14:43.10 | w3gi | sorry, maybe the searchresults here in CZ are different |
| 14:43.15 | spm_Draget | What does 'pi' mean infront of a package in aptitude search? i is installed, p is… not installed? I am confused by the manpage |
| 14:43.17 | w3gi | or i am blind |
| 14:43.27 | spm_Draget | No worries =) |
| 14:43.58 | airstrik1 | ok, i'm trying to mount the usb on /dev/sdb1 and it's being mounted as read-only. why? |
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| 14:45.37 | DelphiWorld | airstrik1: what filesystem? |
| 14:45.54 | tremon | spm_Draget: first character is current state, second character is intended state. "pi" means currently not installed, but it will be next time you run aptitude install |
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| 14:48.04 | spm_Draget | tremon: How would I remove that package? 'apt-get purge foo' or remove or autoremove do nothing, and the package remains in this akward state. |
| 14:48.19 | spm_Draget | Erm, remove that flag. |
| 14:48.22 | eptalon | spm_Draget: --force? |
| 14:49.04 | w3gi | spm_Draget, just tell me the command please |
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| 14:49.17 | w3gi | apt-get install [?????] |
| 14:49.28 | dvs | w3gi: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 14:49.50 | spm_Draget | w3gi: dvs sent you a link. |
| 14:49.51 | w3gi | i see that webpage... |
| 14:49.55 | airstrik1 | DelphiWorld: i'm going to copy an .iso to it, so i just used the disk utility to delete the old partition and i'm now running dd. it seems to be working, thanks |
| 14:49.58 | DelphiWorld | dvs: thank you for that url:D |
| 14:50.03 | dvs | w3gi: And all the commands are there. |
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| 14:50.10 | w3gi | bu i dont hat any idea what should i see there |
| 14:50.23 | DelphiWorld | airstrik1, airstrike on who :) |
| 14:50.27 | dvs | DelphiWorld: you're welcome? |
| 14:50.31 | spm_Draget | w3gi: You can ask if something is not clear on the wiki-page. |
| 14:50.37 | abrotman | w3gi: read the page, it's pretty clear |
| 14:50.38 | DelphiWorld | dvs: cause i also have a rtl device:) |
| 14:51.00 | dvs | w3gi: DelphiWorld could follow the instructions. |
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| 14:51.07 | tremon | spm_Draget: try aptitude why $pkg and aptitude remove $pkg |
| 14:51.08 | w3gi | and wich debian is raspberian? |
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| 14:55.03 | spm_Draget | tremon: Since apt *and* aptitude still do not manage to sync their data 100% (*and* officual debian documentations recommends apt-get over aptitude in some situations for no logical reason to me), I stick to 'apt-get' and only use aptitude for search, because 'apt-cache search foo' output is really ugly. |
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| 14:56.09 | airstrike | my main hard drive is shown in disk utility as having two misaligned partitions. should i care? |
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| 14:57.03 | eptalon | airstrike: before you start caring, do a backup. |
| 14:57.18 | airstrike | this is a brand new drive |
| 14:57.32 | airstrike | all i have on it is debian on partition 2 and a bunch of warez on partition 4 |
| 14:57.40 | DelphiWorld | airstrike: see my pm |
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| 14:57.59 | spm_Draget | Aha… http://dpaste.com/1497145/ … 'aptitude why task-gnome-desktop' tells me that this package is installed because… task-xfce-desktop needs task-desktop and task-desktop needs one of the desktop environment packages. This output really makes no sense. |
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| 14:58.43 | LordThumper | Hi, I have set up Wifi in wpa-supplicant.conf |
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| 14:59.10 | LordThumper | However I still need to do sudo ifup wlan0 to make it work |
| 14:59.12 | spm_Draget | airstrike: Feel free to use any pirated software you want, but openly bragging about it, is not usually very nice on irc. |
| 14:59.15 | tremon | spm_Draget: welcome to the wondrous world of aptitude dependency non-resolution :) |
| 14:59.21 | LordThumper | Is there any way to connect automatically on boot? |
| 14:59.22 | LordThumper | http://pastebin.com/mf8MeyyF |
| 14:59.25 | dvs | spm_Draget: I think it's the other way around. task-desktop needs one of task-xfce-desktop, task-gnome-desktop, et. |
| 14:59.33 | LordThumper | That is the contents of my /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:00.24 | spm_Draget | tremon: AFAIK… aptitude uses libapt - the same exact dependency resolution code than apt-get. The only different is the way they save intentionally installed packages and pulled in dependencies, which can lead to differences. |
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| 15:00.55 | dvs | LordDeath: Why is line 7 commented out? |
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| 15:01.12 | LordThumper | dvs: Not sure what it does |
| 15:01.26 | LordThumper | dvs: Shall I uncomment it? |
| 15:01.30 | dvs | LordDeath: uh... does the ifup wlan0 automatically? |
| 15:01.35 | spm_Draget | dvs: Well yes. But then I sitll wonder why 'aptitude search task-gnome-desktop' shows 'pi task-gnome-desktop' <.< And why lightdm is showing my an option for gnome, while I am really really hard trying to get rid of gnome x.x |
| 15:01.35 | pippuccio76 | i have a problem with x server |
| 15:01.49 | eptalon | pippuccio76: tell us.. :) |
| 15:01.52 | airstrike | spm_Draget: i didn't even mention any specific software.. i have pictures and debian iso's in it |
| 15:01.56 | LordThumper | dvs: no I want it automatic |
| 15:02.02 | pippuccio76 | i have installed a new driver but dont go , |
| 15:02.11 | tremon | aptitude why (and why-not) do not use full dependency resolution, they simply try to find any dependency path between packages. That's why I said non-resolution. And iirc apt and aptitude do share their notions of automatically installed packages these days |
| 15:02.14 | dvs | LordThumper: And that's what line 7 does |
| 15:02.31 | LordThumper | dvs: Oh... |
| 15:02.40 | LordThumper | dvs: Ok awesome |
| 15:02.41 | LordThumper | thanks |
| 15:02.53 | pippuccio76 | i remove xfce and installed gnome but i cannot open the sistem in graphic mode only textuak |
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| 15:03.44 | dvs | spm_Draget: So purge taak-gnome-desktop and task-desktop and install task-xfce-desktop |
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| 15:04.13 | pippuccio76 | when i do startx |
| 15:04.29 | pippuccio76 | i have fatal server error no screens found |
| 15:04.30 | eblip | i just love this debian |
| 15:04.53 | eblip | i had to run an application in windwos and someone said the app is windows only so run it on wine |
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| 15:05.14 | eblip | then several guys said they had tried running it on wine and that it crashes all the itme |
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| 15:05.27 | eblip | but debian .....ive run this thing hard and its solid as a rock |
| 15:05.42 | pippuccio76 | how i can remove xorg configuration and reconfigure it automatically? |
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| 15:06.43 | friduxxx | rm /etc/xorg.conf |
| 15:06.58 | friduxxx | or rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 15:07.06 | friduxxx | and X -configure |
| 15:07.43 | friduxxx | and cp -v /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/xorg.conf |
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| 15:08.14 | spm_Draget | Argh fuck it… the default desktop now is a broken gnome3. ARGH… I'll just reinstall it… probablly quicker than trying to figure out what the hell went wrong here |
| 15:08.38 | friduxxx | :) |
| 15:08.53 | dvs | !remove gnome |
| 15:08.53 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
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| 15:09.06 | dvs | heh. Still on Gnome 2. |
| 15:09.19 | musca | !tell spm_Draget about various cd1 |
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| 15:10.48 | spm_Draget | musca: Using the expert netinstall. And choosing xfce during install was not the issue… trying to install it after the system was installed is the issue. |
| 15:11.15 | musca | i see. |
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| 15:11.45 | spm_Draget | The wiki https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce is not telling the whole truth… the package 'xfce4' does only install xfce4 (well duh), while if you want all the desktop packages for/with xfce, you need 'task-xfce-desktop' |
| 15:11.58 | w3gi | how to find out wich debian i have? |
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| 15:12.15 | dvs | w3gi: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:12.39 | spm_Draget | And then apt-get purge|remove|autoremove [gnome|task-gnome-desktop] unable to cleanly remove gnome |
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| 15:13.09 | dvs | spm_Draget: pastebin the error messages |
| 15:13.59 | w3gi | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free - deb command not found |
| 15:14.21 | dvs | .... |
| 15:14.22 | musca | well, removing metapackages usually doesn't remove its dependencies. |
| 15:14.24 | eptalon | w3gi: thats for the config file. |
| 15:14.29 | abrotman | !fish |
| 15:14.29 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which documentation to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
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| 15:18.46 | airstrike | i thought it was 'Teach a man to fish, and you'll feed him for a lifetime' |
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| 15:18.57 | airstrike | as per leonard nimroy in civilization 4 |
| 15:19.10 | airstrike | so, how do i fix the misaligned partitions issue? |
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| 15:19.33 | dvs | airstrike: I don't think that's a problem. |
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| 15:19.55 | spm_Draget | dvs: No errors, it just did nothing. As talked about earlier… but anyways… am already reinstall. Fresh laptop anyways |
| 15:20.04 | airstrike | it says it 'may result in *very poor* performance' |
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| 15:20.22 | airstrike | i'm okay with poor, but very poor is where i draw the line |
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| 15:21.19 | airstrike | i'm just going to leave it be... |
| 15:21.29 | airstrike | too much work for little gain |
| 15:21.31 | airstrike | thanks |
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| 15:22.21 | martin-_-_ | how can i reinitialize usb devices? |
| 15:22.35 | eptalon | martin-_-_: as in new filesystem? |
| 15:23.00 | martin-_-_ | no, my girlfriend disconnected my usb printer |
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| 15:23.07 | eptalon | martin-_-_: mkfs -t my_preferred_system /dev/devicename. |
| 15:23.11 | martin-_-_ | and now when i click on print nothing happens |
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| 15:23.32 | martin-_-_ | I repluged the usb device but nothing happens |
| 15:23.50 | acemi | martin-_-_: try to restart udev and cups |
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| 15:24.04 | eptalon | martin-_-_: when you re-üöug /var/log/syslog should oupt some smessages. |
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| 15:40.26 | airstrike | ok. i want to format my usb drive to ntfs in a single partition, make it bootable and mount it so i can copy files to it. how do i do that? |
| 15:40.34 | airstrike | i've tried the disk utility and gparted to no avail |
| 15:41.14 | tremon | I don't think you can create a bootable ntfs disk in linux |
| 15:41.34 | jrock20041 | Have you tried cfdisk? |
| 15:41.37 | airstrike | i can flag it as bootable, but in any case, i can't mount it |
| 15:41.43 | airstrike | i have not, jrock20041 |
| 15:41.57 | eptalon | airstrike: you format it to ntfs, add the bootable flag, and copy the files over. Whether it noots in windows is different. |
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| 15:42.49 | jrock20041 | What is the output of which mkfs.ntfs |
| 15:43.38 | eriberto | airstrike, apt-get install ntfsprogs to use gparted |
| 15:43.38 | jrock20041 | If you have that then which mkfs.ntfs /dev/sdb1 of whatever your usb device is |
| 15:44.07 | airstrike | the output is the usage guide |
| 15:44.22 | w3gi | firmware-realtek ist schon die neueste Version. |
| 15:44.23 | w3gi | 0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 0 nicht aktualisiert. |
| 15:44.39 | w3gi | but i have no wifi0 or wlan0 in ifconfig |
| 15:45.03 | eriberto | airstrike: ntfs is a journaled filesystem and will reduce the usb flash drive live. |
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| 15:46.40 | airstrike | it's a one-off thing |
| 15:46.42 | abrotman | w3gi: did you reboot? |
| 15:46.52 | airstrike | eriberto: what fs should i choose after i'm done? fat32? |
| 15:46.59 | w3gi | no, i dont need i install nothing |
| 15:47.17 | airstrike | installing ntfsprogs works. i wonder why gparted didn't complain before. |
| 15:47.30 | eptalon | airstrike: fat32 seems to be pretty std on those drives; however it limits file size to 4G. |
| 15:47.44 | airstrike | it's a 16gb drive |
| 15:47.44 | w3gi | in the souces list was all like in the tutorial |
| 15:47.55 | eriberto | airstrike: fat32 or exfat is fine to flash |
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| 15:48.10 | airstrike | i need something that both windows and linux will like |
| 15:48.13 | eptalon | eriberto: exfat is not supported by linux. |
| 15:48.24 | w3gi | and when i run the install command i get the info firmware-realtek is installed and in the newes version |
| 15:48.39 | eptalon | airstrike: fat32... |
| 15:48.55 | eriberto | # apt-cache search exfat |
| 15:48.58 | HelloShitty | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.59 | HelloShitty | Need some help |
| 15:48.59 | HelloShitty | I'm trying to configure pdfedit from sources but the ./configure is complaining about qt path |
| 15:48.59 | HelloShitty | I have installed libqt4 |
| 15:48.59 | HelloShitty | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.59 | HelloShitty | can anyone help me? |
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| 15:49.02 | eriberto | exfat-fuse - read and write exFAT driver for FUSE |
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| 15:49.07 | HelloShitty | sorry |
| 15:49.44 | mtn | HelloShitty: change your nick and don't spam the channel. you can paste at dpast.com |
| 15:49.50 | mtn | dpaste.com that is |
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| 15:50.17 | HelloShitty | ok |
| 15:50.24 | mrmr | is it possible to run teamviewer without installing it? |
| 15:50.34 | HelloShitty | i have pasted the lines i had already wrote here a few minutes ago |
| 15:53.02 | airstrike | you still haven't changed your nickname, though |
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| 15:53.44 | w3gi | abrotman, any other idea? |
| 15:53.59 | abrotman | I told you? |
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| 15:55.21 | w3gi | abrotman, i dont reboot because i dont install nothing and dont change nothing |
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| 15:57.55 | w3gi | slowly i have no more idea |
| 15:58.20 | w3gi | i read in the internet that this stick work with raspberian |
| 15:58.48 | w3gi | now i do all what is in that howto and i see all is installed an that crab dont work |
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| 16:09.04 | w3gi | noone her who know hot to install that driver?! |
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| 16:09.25 | w3gi | i cant belive that it is impossible to get wifi running in debian |
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| 16:11.10 | abrotman | It's not impossible, you've been provided the instructions multiple times |
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| 16:12.32 | w3gi | and i do that and i get the info that is installed |
| 16:12.44 | w3gi | and i have no wifi card |
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| 16:13.47 | w3gi | firmware-realtek is installed in the latest version |
| 16:13.51 | abrotman | Not sure why you're trying to install a wifi driver if you have no wifi card |
| 16:14.01 | musca | Is it sure, that we are talking about the right wireless chip? lspci -nn | grep -i wireless |
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| 16:14.52 | w3gi | it's a usb dongle |
| 16:15.09 | musca | so lsusb would help ... |
| 16:15.36 | w3gi | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:8179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. |
| 16:15.48 | w3gi | lsusb dont know the -nn option |
| 16:15.55 | KingOscar | chat |
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| 16:18.50 | w3gi | http://fpaste.org/59972/19516138/ |
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| 16:20.29 | musca | w3gi: please also give us some lines from your dmesg | tail -n 40 |
| 16:20.53 | Worf | out of curiosity i did search for that usb id ... seems to be ... a bit special ... |
| 16:21.09 | w3gi | http://fpaste.org/59973/13865196/ |
| 16:21.10 | musca | especially after inserting that usb device |
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| 16:21.44 | abrotman | w3gi: and which version of linux are you using? |
| 16:21.59 | w3gi | raspian |
| 16:22.02 | w3gi | 7.1 |
| 16:22.17 | abrotman | w3gi: you know that rasbpian is not Debian and they have their own support channel, right ? |
| 16:22.34 | abrotman | w3gi: please use #raspbian |
| 16:23.16 | w3gi | there is noone |
| 16:23.22 | abrotman | then install Debian |
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| 16:23.32 | abrotman | w3gi: we don't support raspbian here, use #raspbian |
| 16:23.50 | w3gi | i just slowly get crazy - since 8:00 monring (now we have 17:23) i cant get that fu** working |
| 16:24.02 | abrotman | so ask the people that made your linux, that's not us |
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| 16:28.16 | xeon123 | my sound comes from the speakers and phones at the same time. How I fix this? |
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| 16:36.54 | po10 | this may sound like a stupid question but i cant figure it out. I created an extra user on raspbian via ssh.. "sudo useradd -g dialout -d /home/username username" now i tried to change to the new user but it asks for a password and I never got o define one so Im not sure how to login to that account? ive created users before following tutorials and im trying to learn but I cant figure out why this doesnt work |
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| 16:37.18 | po10 | btw I know this is the debian channel but I figured I'd get better answers here for some reason :) |
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| 16:39.23 | KingOscar | po10: try sudo su; su newuser; passwd |
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| 16:44.40 | bernat_ | !raspbian |
| 16:44.40 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 16:44.44 | bernat_ | po10: ^^^ |
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| 16:56.38 | nimbiotics | hello evry1. Can someone please help me install handbrake on my debian machine? I added the PPA but when I try to apt-install handbrake-gtk it fails to locate the package. am I using the wrong package name or what?? TIA! |
| 16:56.48 | abrotman | PPAs are not for Debian |
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| 16:59.54 | Corsaro | ciao |
| 16:59.57 | nimbiotics | abrotman: I see, OK, Thanks a lot! |
| 16:59.57 | Corsaro | !list |
| 16:59.57 | dpkg | corsaro: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 17:06.16 | SOUL_OF_R00T | what i have to do to reinstall gstreamer on wheezy my totem not works and say it "reinstall gstreamer"? |
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| 17:07.04 | abrotman | is there more to the error ? |
| 17:07.57 | SOUL_OF_R00T | is other box i not remember exactly words |
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| 17:08.16 | abrotman | might be important if you can get it |
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| 17:08.37 | abrotman | SOUL_OF_R00T: otherwise, reinstlal the gstreamer packages already on your system |
| 17:08.54 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ok |
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| 17:09.31 | antithesis_ | I'm installing a list of packages but apt-get complains about packages it's "unable to locate," or that "have no installation candidate." I'm using the -m as well as the -f options. What else can I do? |
| 17:09.52 | abrotman | antithesis_: telling us your version of linux might help |
| 17:10.07 | abrotman | (and the list of packages it is complaining about) |
| 17:10.29 | xlq | I'm on Debian testing, using linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-amd64. I installed the package "virtualbox", but I can't load the kernel module: "no suitable module for running kernel found". How can I compile the module for my kernel? |
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| 17:11.44 | StephenS | I am debian! |
| 17:11.52 | antithesis_ | abrotman, $ uname -r |
| 17:11.52 | antithesis_ | 3.10-3-amd64 |
| 17:12.06 | antithesis_ | And it's a long list. It doesn't really matter which ones, because I don't need them |
| 17:12.06 | StephenS | abrotman: $ uname -r |
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| 17:12.17 | StephenS | lol |
| 17:12.20 | antithesis_ | I just want it to install the ones that it does find |
| 17:12.28 | StephenS | I am generic. |
| 17:12.35 | abrotman | StephenS: do you need help with Debian ? |
| 17:12.40 | StephenS | yes |
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| 17:12.48 | antithesis_ | He needs help with himself |
| 17:12.57 | abrotman | antithesis_: use /ignore for StephenS please |
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| 17:13.04 | StephenS | yes |
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| 17:13.10 | antithesis_ | ok |
| 17:13.12 | StephenS | antithesis_ hates me. |
| 17:13.19 | antithesis_ | Anyway, do you know of a way to do that abrotman ? |
| 17:13.23 | StephenS | and I hate him, which is fine by so far. |
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| 17:13.35 | antithesis_ | To install the ones that it does find, whilst ignoring the others |
| 17:13.36 | kyle__ | any mdadm gurus around? |
| 17:13.38 | abrotman | StephenS: please go play elsewhere, thank you |
| 17:13.41 | qu | Does anyone have bumblebee working on Debian? |
| 17:13.50 | jelly-home | kyle__: there's #linux-raid channel for those |
| 17:13.51 | abrotman | antithesis_: tried with aptitude? |
| 17:14.03 | abrotman | antithesis_: where did you get this list of packages? |
| 17:14.03 | kyle__ | jelly-home: thanks. |
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| 17:15.30 | antithesis_ | abrotman, I was using Ubuntu before. I want to use Debian now but I want the packages back so I've exported the list from there. It's missing things like xubuntu-desktop but I obviously don't care about those |
| 17:15.48 | abrotman | antithesis_: what are you actually trying to install? |
| 17:15.57 | abrotman | (and "list of packages" is not the answer) |
| 17:16.59 | antithesis_ | Why does it matter? |
| 17:17.08 | abrotman | because there may be an easier way |
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| 17:17.51 | antithesis_ | It's the output of dpkg-query -l on the Ubuntu system, exported to a text file |
| 17:17.58 | abrotman | that's not what I'm asking ... |
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| 17:18.37 | abrotman | antithesis_: are you trying to install a certain set of packages, or just a general XFCE desktop ? |
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| 17:19.43 | abrotman | antithesis_: do you still have that xubuntu system ? |
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| 17:19.46 | abrotman | er m.. ubuntu ? |
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| 17:20.23 | antithesis_ | Everything I used to have on the Ubuntu system |
| 17:20.24 | antithesis_ | Yes, I still have it |
| 17:20.30 | antithesis_ | I know how to install XFCE, that's not the problem |
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| 17:23.13 | xlq | Ah nvm, found out: install virtualbox-source, manually fix the broken makefile in the Linux headers package, m-a build virtualbox; m-a install virtualbox. I love user-friendly software. |
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| 17:24.45 | abrotman | antithesis_: So, back to my question, what are you actually trying to do ? |
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| 17:44.44 | po10 | KingOscar I can change to the new user account with su.. and it doesnt requite any pass to do so, but when I try to change the password with passwd I have to type the current password and I get authentication token manipulation error |
| 17:45.26 | Miesco | If Freud didn't use empirical evidence why do we reference and learn about his theories still? |
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| 17:46.57 | mtn | Miesco: wrong channel, eh? |
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| 17:47.24 | Miesco | mtn: thanks |
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| 17:48.24 | po10 | ill try deleting the user and adding it again hopefully ill get it right, thanks for your time earlier on though:) |
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| 17:49.01 | zykotick9 | po10: fyi, from root you can change users passwords without the current one |
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| 17:51.34 | mocx | hello! I've been trying to find a reason for this but I can't seem to. Does anyone know why the encrypted passwords functionality was left out of libsasl2-modules-sql package? |
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| 17:52.39 | abrotman | left out, or requires config? |
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| 17:53.38 | jordilopezamat | dear #debian community |
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| 17:55.29 | jordilopezamat | (eternal) newbie here... 'top' command is not showing me what i'm looking for : how can i (orderly) list the processes with the highest RAM consumption ? thaks for your attention |
| 17:55.36 | antithesis_ | abrotman, it has been solved, thanks |
| 17:56.13 | antithesis_ | jordilopezamat, lxtask can do that |
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| 17:58.04 | brontosaurusrex | jordilopezamat, there is friendlier htop, its clickable |
| 17:58.14 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: top can do that |
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| 17:58.28 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: you just have to read the docs on how to sort the output |
| 17:58.33 | Gregor2 | hi |
| 17:58.47 | Gregor2 | anyone knows a noise reduction for the microphone? |
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| 17:59.09 | abrotman | Gregor2: again .. turn it down |
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| 17:59.29 | Gregor2 | but than im quiet to! |
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| 17:59.46 | abrotman | guess you have to choose |
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| 18:00.24 | Gregor2 | but at windows there is a noice reduction if i download the realtek driver |
| 18:00.31 | Gregor2 | isnt there something like this for linux? |
| 18:00.41 | abrotman | ask google |
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| 18:02.44 | jordilopezamat | thanks anthitesis_ brontosaurusrex abrotman |
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| 18:03.15 | wols | afaik realtek has some really shitty proprietary linux drivers. good luck with those |
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| 18:12.07 | jhutchins | The problem with realtek is generally that their cars sell for less than ten dollars. |
| 18:12.34 | jhutchins | s/cars/cards/ |
| 18:12.44 | wols | realtek doesn't do cards. most of their stuff is chips integrated on the mobo. they'd _dream_ to get 10 dollars |
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| 18:13.45 | jhutchins | I've seen cards that use the chipsets too. Point is: Cheap, crummy hardware. |
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| 18:26.35 | dizzy_duck | anyone's got idea where to put exact solution for running wheezy on specific laptop? |
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| 18:27.21 | dizzy_duck | It would save me 2 months of research so I think saving this for others would be nice |
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| 18:28.47 | abrotman | dizzy_duck: huh? to put? |
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| 18:29.14 | dizzy_duck | I mean put = write |
| 18:29.23 | abrotman | dizzy_duck: email it to the debian-user mailing list would be a good place IMO |
| 18:30.29 | dizzy_duck | that's good idea, thanks |
| 18:33.07 | JC_Denton | so will fstat on kfreebsd make an appearance at some point? deeply missing a lsof/fuser equivalent. |
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| 18:34.01 | abrotman | JC_Denton: they have a channel on OFTC |
| 18:34.07 | babilen | dizzy_duck: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/ |
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| 18:34.25 | JC_Denton | abrotman: thanks |
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| 18:34.52 | dizzy_duck | hooah, that's what I was talking about! thanks babilen ! |
| 18:35.09 | dizzy_duck | btw thats funny I couldn't find this page ever before |
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| 18:41.21 | xmj | Hi, I've heard before that some guys from the kFreeBSD team looked into making upstard work on it |
| 18:41.28 | xmj | Are there any news to it? |
| 18:42.24 | zykotick9 | xmj: try #debian-kbsd on oftc |
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| 18:43.14 | babilen | xmj: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/upstart should have the current state of the init system discussion regarding upstart |
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| 18:44.58 | xmj | zykotick9: babilen: thanks |
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| 18:45.40 | xmj | babilen: do you know how recent that info is (re: upstart looking into freebsd port) ? |
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| 18:46.06 | blonkel | hi, if im installing a package from source (lighttpd) how im getting the used configure options? |
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| 18:46.34 | babilen | xmj: That information has just been approved by upstart upstream and is being used in Debian's "which init system to choose" discussion. It should be fairly up-to-date |
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| 18:46.57 | xmj | babilen: good, thanks |
| 18:46.57 | blonkel | im currently on wheezy and would like to update my lighttpd on 1.4.33 whats the best option to that, except from compiling from source? |
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| 18:47.09 | abrotman | dpkg: tell blonkel about ssb |
| 18:47.20 | abrotman | blonkel: but note, you'll be on your own for security issues |
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| 18:47.51 | babilen | xmj: There are similar pages for the other init systems under consideration. The bug in question is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 |
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| 18:49.18 | xmj | babilen: ha, thanks |
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| 18:50.04 | xmj | babilen: I've heard that non-portability of upstart/systemd was a show-stopper with migrating to them. Now I have a source. Woo-hoo! |
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| 18:58.48 | blonkel | abrotman: thanks for this info but i dont get it currently |
| 18:59.11 | blonkel | i added a deb-src list of backports to my sources.list |
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| 18:59.17 | blonkel | how can i search now on the backports list? |
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| 19:00.37 | abrotman | blonkel: show us your sources.list |
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| 19:01.10 | blonkel | http://pastebin.com/bPkab9s8 |
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| 19:01.45 | nimbiotics | can someone please recommend a good software to rip a DVD?? TIA! |
| 19:02.06 | abrotman | blonkel: eh, not quite .. |
| 19:02.17 | abrotman | blonkel: you need a deb-src line for unstable |
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| 19:03.51 | blonkel | additonaly? |
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| 19:05.24 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:05.31 | abrotman | judd: versions lighttpd |
| 19:05.32 | judd | Package: lighttpd on i386 -- squeeze: 1.4.28-2+squeeze1.3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.4.28-2+squeeze1.5; squeeze-security: 1.4.28-2+squeeze1.5; wheezy: 1.4.31-4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.4.31-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.4.31-4+deb7u2; jessie: 1.4.33-1+nmu2; sid: 1.4.33-1+nmu2 |
| 19:05.47 | abrotman | the backport you want is in jessie or sid, not wheezy or wheezy-backports |
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| 19:06.00 | abrotman | judd: checkbackport lighttpd |
| 19:06.01 | judd | Backporting package lighttpd in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy. |
| 19:06.54 | blonkel | is there any tutorial how all this interacts together? :) |
| 19:07.13 | blonkel | im pretty lost to this and would get a bit smarter with this |
| 19:08.03 | abrotman | blonkel: just what the bot gave you |
| 19:08.07 | abrotman | (that i'm aware of) |
| 19:08.14 | nimbiotics | I have been trying to install acidrip on my debian machine using either apt-get or aptitude but I keep getting that the package could not be found ... Can someone please tell me which repository do I have to add? I cannot not find that information anywhere. TIA! |
| 19:08.47 | abrotman | nimbiotics: it's not in Debian |
| 19:09.08 | nimbiotics | abrotman: does it mean I cannot install it? |
| 19:09.09 | jhutchins | ,versions acidrip |
| 19:09.10 | judd | Package: acidrip on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 0.14-0.3 |
| 19:09.23 | abrotman | nimbiotics: it means you have to install it from source |
| 19:09.26 | jhutchins | !tell nimbiotics about dmm |
| 19:09.33 | abrotman | jhutchins: that's for squeeze, not going to help |
| 19:09.43 | abrotman | it's not in DMM for anything else |
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| 19:10.46 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a text file somewhere with the file associations? Using the GUI is taking too long. |
| 19:11.06 | abrotman | taking too long to do what? |
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| 19:11.30 | ChALkeR | Hi all. |
| 19:11.42 | jelly-home | has no idea, and watches meakly as opening a folder via firefox download history starts a PDF viewer |
| 19:11.47 | nimbiotics | abrotman, jhutchins: Is therte any other DVD ripping software I can install on debian without all that hassle? I really need to rip this ASAP. Thanks in advanced! |
| 19:11.58 | Lady_Aleena | abrotman, to change all of the file associations to what I want them to be, such as preferring Kate over KWrite. |
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| 19:12.14 | ChALkeR | Does qt5 (as it is present in jessie) work? |
| 19:12.53 | Lady_Aleena | So, if the file has a lot of lines with something like "KWrite, Kate, notepad" a quick find and replace would be "Kate, KWrite, notepad". |
| 19:12.54 | mtn_ | nimbiotics: google this and then look in synaptic to install: linux rip dvd |
| 19:13.00 | abrotman | nimbiotics: apt-cache search dvd rip |
| 19:13.06 | ChALkeR | I want to run a simple qml application, and qmlscene is broken. |
| 19:13.21 | Lady_Aleena | Then I need to find out why I can't change a file permission. |
| 19:13.22 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: I couldn't answer that for KDE, sorry |
| 19:13.42 | ChALkeR | Also, trying to compile something gives an error «Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: quick qml» |
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| 19:13.52 | Lady_Aleena | abrotman, a possible file name would be great. |
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| 19:14.25 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: can't help you |
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| 19:14.43 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: seems like google might know? |
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| 19:15.03 | nimbiotics | I did search and found many packages that I have previously used in ubuntu, but I havent been able to install it ohn debia, acidrip is not my first try. I complied/installed handbrake and it works but its not allowing me to rip my dvd |
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| 19:16.34 | rascul | having an issue with apt-get, not sure what's going on here http://sprunge.us/SJDf |
| 19:16.52 | rascul | can't seem to find db_get or db_version anywhere |
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| 19:19.57 | abrotman | rascul: does /usr/share/debconf/confmodule exist ? |
| 19:20.27 | rascul | yes |
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| 19:20.34 | abrotman | that's where db_get is defined |
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| 19:20.43 | rascul | but it seems to have a size of 0 |
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| 19:20.52 | abrotman | that's not good |
| 19:21.11 | rascul | that's probably why it's messing up huh? |
| 19:21.15 | abrotman | rascul: reinstall the debconf package |
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| 19:21.28 | blonkel | abrotman is it possible to install the created debs as an additional (prefered) version of lighttpd? |
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| 19:22.11 | blonkel | so if this is going to fail, that its fast possible to switch back to the old version? ;) |
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| 19:26.23 | rascul | abrotman that was it, thanks |
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| 19:27.07 | abrotman | blonkel: you're testing this on the prod system? |
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| 19:28.25 | dvs | abrotman: where else would you test it? ;-) |
| 19:28.39 | abrotman | I would never! |
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| 19:29.25 | eagle1 | ^3pWood, a monkey behind you! |
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| 19:30.54 | ^3pWood | yikes!! |
| 19:31.09 | eagle1 | exactly :D |
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| 19:32.40 | blonkel | abrotman yes i do |
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| 19:34.37 | abrotman | blonkel: good luck! |
| 19:35.08 | hollto | can I reload "/etc/default/keboard" without rebooting? |
| 19:35.36 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 19:35.59 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm trying to run iptables-save but I'm getting this error "bash: /etc/iptables.rules: Permission denied" |
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| 19:36.12 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm running it as root with "sudo" |
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| 19:36.31 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: you're doing it wrong, the sudo isn't applying to the redirection |
| 19:36.38 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: Hm. Sounds like the file is either opened for writing by another process or is somehow corrupt. |
| 19:36.45 | eagle1 | ShapeShifter499, lsattr /etc/iptables.rules |
| 19:36.53 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 19:36.59 | eagle1 | btw you don't need sudo |
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| 19:37.08 | abrotman | you do need root access of some sort |
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| 19:37.17 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, huh? |
| 19:37.20 | eagle1 | you have to BE root |
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| 19:37.28 | nonconvergent | Yo. |
| 19:37.31 | eagle1 | sudo su - |
| 19:37.36 | ShapeShifter499 | I thought sudo did the job |
| 19:37.47 | abrotman | it depends how yu run it |
| 19:37.50 | eagle1 | ShapeShifter499, it works for one command not for the redirection of the output |
| 19:37.52 | spm-Draget | Running debian wheezy with xfce now. It has thunar-1.2.x for the file management. Jessie has 1.6.3. Was wondering if it can also run under wheezy… added 'deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main' to my sources.list, did 'apt-get update' and yet apt-cache show thunar shows version 1.2, 'apt-get -t wheezy-backports install thunar' says the most recent version is installed. |
| 19:37.52 | spm-Draget | What am I missing? |
| 19:37.55 | ShapeShifter499 | sorry just came from ubuntu and when I set up debian I set up sudo for my user |
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| 19:38.23 | zykotick9 | eagle1: don't suggest "sudo su -" that sillyness... |
| 19:38.47 | ShapeShifter499 | eagle1, there is no "/etc/iptables.rules" file yet |
| 19:39.04 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: you're using sudo badly .. the sudo isn't applying to the redirection .. |
| 19:39.08 | abrotman | i already said this .. |
| 19:39.20 | nonconvergent | sudo su will use a sudoer's permissions to elevate to root. It's as bad as su to root (a little worse since you only need the user's pass and not the root's) |
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| 19:39.44 | abrotman | nonconvergent: nothing wrong with su or sudo su - .. you just have to understand what you're doing .. |
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| 19:39.56 | nonconvergent | abrotman: Agreed. |
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| 19:41.25 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, does sudo work differently in debian? I remember doing the same thing in ubuntu without any issues |
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| 19:41.41 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: no, again, you're using it badly .. |
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| 19:42.07 | azswa | hi, how can I select a locale when doing dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:42.28 | dvs | ?? |
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| 19:42.53 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, ok so I guess I'll elevate to root with sudo su? or just su? |
| 19:42.58 | eriberto | azswa what is the problem? |
| 19:43.10 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: perhaps you should start with teh sudo man page .. i've given you the answer .. four times now ? |
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| 19:43.23 | azswa | I can't tick any locale in the screen I am getting |
| 19:43.37 | abrotman | with the spacebar ? |
| 19:43.48 | dvs | feels a pal coming on |
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| 19:44.05 | azswa | abrotman> sorry for being so stupid |
| 19:44.16 | azswa | abrotman> thanks |
| 19:44.24 | abrotman | wonders if azswa was clicking .. |
| 19:44.28 | eriberto | azswa you can navigate using TAB ans select using arrows. |
| 19:45.24 | azswa | abrotman> no I promise I wasn't clicking! |
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| 19:49.32 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, I'm sorry, sudo -c? |
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| 19:50.36 | ShapeShifter499 | sudo -c "iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules" |
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| 19:54.04 | spm-Draget | Running wheezy with xfce. It has thunar-1.2 for filemanagement. Jessie has 1.6. Was wondering if it can also run 1.6 under wheezy… added 'deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main' to my sources.list, did 'apt-get update' and yet 'apt-cache show thunar' shows version 1.2, 'apt-get -t wheezy-backports install thunar' says the most recent version is installed. What am I missing? |
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| 19:55.01 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: and? |
| 19:55.02 | zykotick9 | spm-Draget: wheezy-backports != jessie |
| 19:55.25 | ShapeShifter499 | ok I suck at sudo |
| 19:55.32 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, not working |
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| 19:56.31 | spm-Draget | zykotick9: Yup. But I thought http://backports.debian.org/wheezy-backports/overview/ shows the differences. |
| 19:56.33 | spm-Draget | zykotick9: And it says nothing about thunar. |
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| 19:57.37 | ShapeShifter499 | aboman, ok I had to specify the shell... sudo bash -c "iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules" worked |
| 19:57.51 | nbl_ | hi all I can't install artwiz fonts on debian wheezy if someone can help me please I followed this tutorial http://www.warpwood.com/wiki/artwiz-fonts/ but nothing works ! |
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| 19:58.14 | ctmjr | spm-Draget: it is not in backports |
| 19:58.42 | spm-Draget | Oh. =/ |
| 19:59.03 | spm-Draget | Any recommended way of installing thunar-1.6 on wheezy appart from compiling from git? |
| 19:59.32 | wols_ | ,v thunar |
| 19:59.33 | judd | Package: thunar on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.2-1+b2; wheezy: 1.2.3-4+b1; jessie: 1.6.3-1; sid: 1.6.3-1 |
| 19:59.39 | wols_ | !tell spm-Draget about ssb |
| 19:59.52 | abrotman | doubt that'll work, but it's a good lesson :) |
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| 20:00.35 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, anything wrong with my command? |
| 20:01.28 | nonconvergent | Hmm, trying to use the script here https://github.com/tuxpoldo/btsync-deb to build btsync |
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| 20:01.54 | abrotman | nonconvergent: and? |
| 20:01.58 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: did it work ? |
| 20:02.11 | nonconvergent | the make-all-debs.sh complains about a directory not existing when I run it. |
| 20:02.31 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, from what I can see yes... nano /etc/iptables.rules shows the file full of rules I have just set |
| 20:03.13 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: so, all done ? |
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| 20:03.36 | nonconvergent | this is the output from make-all-debs.sh http://paste.debian.net/69864/ |
| 20:04.20 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, I suppose, though I still can mess up and miss something |
| 20:04.25 | abrotman | nonconvergent: so make that dir |
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| 20:05.10 | ShapeShifter499 | everything seems ok though, the drop rules in iptables appears to be working, I can't ssh in from a client on my iphone like I expect |
| 20:05.45 | spm-Draget | There is some talk on upgrading xfce-4.8 to 4.10 on wheezy. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=104089 Has anyone does it / experience with? |
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| 20:07.39 | nbl_ | nobody for me ? :( |
| 20:08.49 | nonconvergent | abrotman: tried that. Made it in the same directory I'm trying to build from. |
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| 20:08.55 | ompaul | !fonts |
| 20:08.56 | dpkg | Fonts available as Debian packages are automatically configured for use via <defoma>. To add user-supplied fonts to a Debian system, ask me about <install font> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts . For general font information, see http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ . See also <mscorefonts>, <ttf>. |
| 20:09.04 | ompaul | that has to be out of date |
| 20:09.04 | nonconvergent | i386/btsync |
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| 20:09.59 | ompaul | nbl_: check out the wiki link there - afik defoma is not as important as it used to be |
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| 20:10.30 | Ester_ | hola |
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| 20:11.23 | ompaul | !es |
| 20:11.23 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 20:11.47 | nbl_ | ompaul: ok thank you I check out the wiki now :) |
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| 20:13.45 | hikenboot | how do i find out what package installs build-deb for apt-get? |
| 20:13.59 | Scar3cr0w | build-essentials |
| 20:14.11 | dvs | no, build-essential |
| 20:14.21 | Scar3cr0w | er yea |
| 20:14.40 | nonconvergent | abrotman: ideas? |
| 20:15.30 | hikenboot | thanks I just had the command wrong I thought it was apt-get install build-dep <packagename> |
| 20:15.30 | apt | hikenboot: de rien |
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| 20:22.14 | Denver | Hi. I've broke Debian. When it boots up and is *supposed* to go to GDM, instead this application (I've no idea what it is) loads up that asks for a host to connect to. I've no idea what to do since google was absolutely no help |
| 20:22.46 | dvs | screenshot? |
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| 20:23.44 | Denver | dvs, I can't get that far. I can't even log in |
| 20:24.03 | wols_ | Denver: ctrl+alt+f2 login and then run "ps aux" and pastebin the output |
| 20:24.13 | abrotman | nonconvergent: look at the output in the log |
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| 20:36.48 | pengunix | So debian-live config is the configuration part during debian installatin? |
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| 20:39.56 | RuRay | generic question: on a laptop with 4 Gigs Ram, any advantage to running 64bit vs. 32bit? |
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| 20:40.33 | dvs | RuRay: You will be able to use all 4GB when runnig 64bits |
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| 20:41.31 | ompaul | RuRay: generic laptop ... but what is it used for |
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| 20:41.36 | hollto | RuRay: yep, go 64! |
| 20:41.43 | Arrowmaster | 32bit has PAE enabled, you can use the full 4gb there too |
| 20:41.54 | dvs | but PAE is slower |
| 20:42.10 | ompaul | or what is the plan for your use cases of it |
| 20:42.11 | RuRay | I think vid is stealing some of it.. so a few wont be available anyhow... I have 686 pae kernel running, ust playing - |
| 20:42.32 | ompaul | ust = ? |
| 20:42.32 | Arrowmaster | there you have it, use 64bit and then if you ever upgrade the ram you dont have to worry about anything either |
| 20:42.32 | RuRay | nothing special - not even games - more for utility and browsing, some flash stuff, youtube |
| 20:42.42 | ompaul | 64bit and get on with it |
| 20:42.44 | dvs | RuRay: Nope, 64bit will let you see all 4GB, dispite the video memory |
| 20:42.47 | RuRay | just - the j key is stuck |
| 20:42.56 | hollto | RuRay: unless you run 32 prog. :-) |
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| 20:43.46 | ompaul | !multiarch |
| 20:43.46 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 20:43.47 | RuRay | ok - thanks.... 64 it is.... byebye vista (bleh!) |
| 20:43.55 | dvs | Vista?!? |
| 20:44.55 | hollto | visWhat... |
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| 20:45.06 | RuRay | dvs: free laptop - what can i say |
| 20:45.21 | dvs | ...but at what cost? :-P |
| 20:45.24 | hollto | not yet free! |
| 20:45.53 | RuRay | thanks all! |
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| 20:47.19 | Dan39 | hello, does anyone know of quick way to get vnstat to show stats for more than just the default, like -m for months only shows 3 months of stats... i would like to see 6 months of stats at least |
| 20:47.53 | pengunix | So debian-live config is the configuration part during debian installatin? |
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| 20:54.14 | krz | does debian come with a default dm/wm? |
| 20:54.23 | krz | can i install my own? |
| 20:55.02 | abrotman | you can install anything you like |
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| 20:55.50 | krz | i had issues with arch and hibernation. linked to the intel vid drivers. am wondering if debian might solve this issue another way |
| 20:55.55 | krz | didnt have this issue with ubuntu though |
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| 20:59.57 | voyo | hello, can someone point me to some infos, why the hell debian wheezy (or probably other new versions too) is ignoring good old runlevels settings, and is starting GDM at runlevel 2 ?? |
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| 21:01.29 | ompaul | !tell krz about TIAS |
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| 21:02.12 | hollto | voyo: https://wiki.debian.org/RunLevel |
| 21:02.29 | krz | ompaul im using terminal based irc client |
| 21:02.38 | krz | was there a dm? |
| 21:02.45 | abrotman | install the one you want |
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| 21:03.24 | jhutchins | krz: Debian uses different versions of the same xorg video system. It might have different versions of the drivers which might work better or worse with your system. |
| 21:03.28 | ompaul | krz: I was reacting to hibernation question - the stuff before it - use netinstall and enjoy it |
| 21:03.52 | jhutchins | krz: On most linux distributions there is a wide range of desktop environments that can be installed, see http://freedesktop.org |
| 21:04.04 | krz | i personallly like i3 |
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| 21:04.15 | krz | i just need systemctl hibernate to work correctly |
| 21:04.25 | hollto | krz: so try DWM |
| 21:04.29 | jhutchins | krz: The default on debian is Gnome. |
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| 21:04.36 | krz | ubuntu has no issues with this. but unity is bloated |
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| 21:05.14 | ompaul | krz: pick one find out how you get on |
| 21:05.37 | pengunix | unity got some gnome legacy |
| 21:05.44 | voyo | hollto : I know exatcly what runlevels are. I was administering linux servers when Linus was yet living in Europe. Im asking who and why has changed the old good runlevels settings. Runlevel 2 was always pure TEXT mode in debian. |
| 21:05.50 | krz | this is the install guide right: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index |
| 21:06.20 | krz | that is one hell of a long guide! |
| 21:06.20 | ompaul | voyo: debian doesn't think you need more (and it has been like that for a lonnnnnng time) |
| 21:06.28 | jhutchins | voyo: You are perhaps confused. 2 is the default runlevel, Debian has never made use of different runlevels for different modes by default. |
| 21:06.31 | krz | thats like a whole load of chapters! |
| 21:06.58 | krz | someone needs to organize the doc |
| 21:06.59 | jhutchins | voyo: Unlike RedHat and it's derivatives, which tend to use 1,2,4 and 5 as different environments. |
| 21:07.00 | ompaul | voyo: a bit like this: if you install it debian things you want it running |
| 21:07.03 | krz | seriously |
| 21:07.15 | pengunix | unity got some gnome legacy |
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| 21:07.18 | krz | who writes documentation like this, these days |
| 21:07.20 | pengunix | So debian-live config is the configuration part during debian installatin? |
| 21:07.23 | jhutchins | krz: There are a lot of possible questions, combinations, and options. |
| 21:07.27 | ompaul | krz: debian |
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| 21:07.55 | krz | so expect a week to install this distro? |
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| 21:08.18 | jhutchins | krz: Only if you're a very slow reader. |
| 21:09.03 | jhutchins | krz: Actual install time is ~30 minutes, varies a lot. |
| 21:09.08 | voyo | to be honest, its my 1st time today when I installed wheezy from the scratch (I always has upgrade my servers, debian since the patato yet). Im Im realy pissed of after I saw gdm login on my console.. ofc I know what to do with this. but man.... its server! not desktop distro. and I didnt ask to install antything about X during installation |
| 21:09.27 | abrotman | dpkg: tell voyo about nodb |
| 21:09.29 | abrotman | dpkg: tell voyo about nodm |
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| 21:09.41 | jhutchins | krz: On the other hand, if you just forge ahead WITHOUT reading the guide, you can expect to spend many hours fixing things unless you get lucky. |
| 21:10.01 | ompaul | voyo: so you should have used the netinstall and done a minimal |
| 21:10.03 | pengunix | So debian-live config is the configuration part during debian installatin? |
| 21:10.05 | hollto | voyo: so how did you get X? |
| 21:10.05 | pengunix | So debian-live config is the configuration part during debian installatin? |
| 21:10.09 | ompaul | voyo: you can still do that |
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| 21:10.12 | jhutchins | voyo: There are options to install without a DE. |
| 21:10.32 | ompaul | voyo: and now you know that - minutes from now you'll be where you want to be |
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| 21:10.33 | jhutchins | voyo: See above about the guide. The default is a gnome desktop, but you have to choose to install that. |
| 21:10.37 | Dan39 | anyone know of quick way to get vnstat to show stats for more than just the default 3, like -m for months only shows 3 months of stats... what if i want to see 6 months |
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| 21:11.33 | voyo | to be precise - I know how to disable, or just uninstall everything I dont want to , Im just confused that all this crap is currentlt installed by default... world is changing.. unfortunatelly for the worse :( |
| 21:11.34 | krz | its like a whole book of history |
| 21:11.38 | gamer789 | hello i tried to run this command in my debian distro "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.2.0/24 -d 0.0.0.0/0 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" and i believe i am missing the table or the MASQUERADE target because it gives me "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name" |
| 21:11.47 | krz | chapter 8 still doesnt talk about installation |
| 21:12.03 | jhutchins | voyo: Old farts have been complaining about that since at least 3500 BC. |
| 21:12.09 | voyo | hollto : : by just DEFAULT installation from DVD image |
| 21:12.10 | rickweaver | hi guys.. can someone tell me how I can find out the version of libc6 installed on my system? |
| 21:12.28 | krz | possibly the same old farts who wrote the documentation |
| 21:12.42 | voyo | jhutchins : young preaks should use their ubuntus |
| 21:12.51 | mtn | rickweaver: use synaptic or dpkg |
| 21:12.57 | ompaul | krz: well done, you got fans now |
| 21:13.06 | krz | lol im half kidding |
| 21:13.15 | hollto | voyo: next time do a netinstall like you should for a server |
| 21:13.23 | krz | but seriously. i think people these days just want to get down to installing |
| 21:13.27 | ompaul | looks for the closing cynical comment tag he dropped on the floor |
| 21:13.37 | ompaul | krz: so do it and don't read it |
| 21:13.41 | krz | theres a lot of irrelevant information on that guide |
| 21:13.46 | ompaul | file a bug or fix it |
| 21:14.05 | rickweaver | mtn: with the -s switch? |
| 21:14.08 | voyo | hollto : yeah. my mistake. I should, like I always did before. but again - Im just surprised about the way Debian is following :/ |
| 21:14.12 | gamer789 | hello i tried to run this command in my debian distro "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.2.0/24 -d 0.0.0.0/0 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" and i believe i am missing the table or the MASQUERADE target because it gives me "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name" |
| 21:14.13 | hollto | krz: you can start with cronchbang will get you running fast. |
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| 21:14.45 | rickweaver | mtn: thx |
| 21:14.53 | mtn | rickweaver: welcome |
| 21:15.00 | hollto | voyo: no no, do not say that! |
| 21:15.03 | ompaul | hollto: you can now provide support for every jockey who turns up here with crunchbang 24/7 forever ... |
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| 21:15.28 | ompaul | hollto: cos nobody else here would be able to stand over that |
| 21:15.32 | voyo | hollto : why ? |
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| 21:15.58 | abrotman | voyo: ignore hollto please |
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| 21:16.09 | gamer789 | hello i tried to run this command in my debian distro "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.2.0/24 -d 0.0.0.0/0 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" and i believe i am missing the table or the MASQUERADE target because it gives me "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name" |
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| 21:16.48 | abrotman | gamer789: #netfilter is probably a better channel |
| 21:16.51 | ompaul | gamer789: do a paste of the contents of the file iptables-save > /etc/iptables/my.saved file |
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| 21:17.24 | ompaul | gamer789: basic problem you have stuff in the wrong order in your iptables |
| 21:17.27 | voyo | is confused. |
| 21:17.44 | gamer789 | here is my rc.local - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=RrRCX4hP |
| 21:18.09 | ompaul | voyo: just install debian again and get on with it, faster than purging parts of X and finding stuff you didn't want and having to research it |
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| 21:18.33 | abrotman | gamer789: you should really ask #netfilter, and read the docs at netfilter.org |
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| 21:18.35 | gamer789 | ompaul i have tried reinstall debian multi times.. |
| 21:18.56 | gamer789 | im not using netfilter tho.. |
| 21:19.01 | abrotman | yes, you are |
| 21:19.15 | gamer789 | im using iptables?? |
| 21:19.22 | abrotman | you're using netfilter |
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| 21:19.36 | hollto | netfilter ~=iptables |
| 21:20.26 | ompaul | gamer789: #netfilter I can tell you that you need to purge and start again that's just junk in there you have no tables and I never asked about rc.local so I guess I can't help there |
| 21:21.09 | gamer789 | ompaul i have redid it multi times.. |
| 21:21.20 | ompaul | gamer789: and there are ways to avoid your cruddy > /proc line there are right ways to do that - and that is not it ... syscontrol is the home for that |
| 21:21.50 | ompaul | gamer789: go read some docs you have a set of nasty hacks there |
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| 21:21.53 | voyo | ompaul : yeah, process has already started.. but Im wondering what else default settings has been changed trough the last time. :/ |
| 21:21.55 | ompaul | gamer789: and most important I asked for something you didn't publish |
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| 21:22.05 | ompaul | gamer789: therefore I can't do anything for you |
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| 21:22.34 | ompaul | voyo: ... and you used it since potato ... and upgraded along the way ... right |
| 21:22.57 | ompaul | voyo: you should have some idea of what you want - and rather than worry about deltas check you are where you think you should be |
| 21:23.12 | gamer789 | ompaul: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=j6dg2WnZ |
| 21:23.19 | abrotman | gamer789: ask #netfilter |
| 21:23.51 | voyo | ompaul : yes. Im talking about default "normal" installation. Fortunatelly most of settings are keept during upgrades, right ? |
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| 21:24.33 | ompaul | voyo: you are standing in the wrong place if you are doing an install, what does this box do, and lets see what special requirements you want, the rest we can safely ignore eh? |
| 21:24.45 | ompaul | gamer789: too late |
| 21:25.06 | hollto | ompaul: krz: I think that if you are in a rush it's a good fast start, then later you can fallback to a clean debian setup, that I think is better in the long run. |
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| 21:25.56 | ompaul | hollto: it's not supported here, please don't suggest it here, people get disappointed when we don't support their $derivative |
| 21:26.00 | ompaul | !based on debian |
| 21:26.00 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 21:28.12 | voyo | ompaul : yes you are right, I should choose netinst for server installation. not full DVD image.its just my 'general' moaning ;) |
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| 21:28.37 | ompaul | voyo: so totally unproductive, let us move on |
| 21:29.01 | porton | I've did dist-upgrade and tray icons disappeared in Gnome. Help! |
| 21:29.14 | abrotman | it doesn't matter which you choose .. it's still the optoins you use during install |
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| 21:29.21 | abrotman | porton: to jessie ? |
| 21:29.30 | ompaul | porton: from what to what? |
| 21:29.44 | porton | abrotman: jessie |
| 21:29.59 | porton | ompaul: from recent jessie to latest jessie |
| 21:30.09 | abrotman | right, so you upgraded your gnome shell. |
| 21:30.11 | local | hey all. It's the first time I will use LUKS. I want to encrypt my USB drive. I am not sure: do I have to create Linux partition (if so, which ID?) on my USB drive first, and then encrypt it with the LUKS command? |
| 21:30.30 | porton | abrotman: I realize it. But how to get tray back? |
| 21:30.32 | abrotman | porton: hold your mouse at the bottom |
| 21:30.32 | voyo | ompaul : or maybe , (if I care that much) I just should suggest propiate changes to debian developers. ( follow standard runlevels like other linux distros, or add possibility to choose if Xsystem should be installed during normal setup ). anwyay. who cares.. cheers ;) |
| 21:30.45 | ompaul | voyo: hehe |
| 21:30.53 | abrotman | voyo: it does give you the option .. you ignored it |
| 21:31.08 | abrotman | porton: or win+m |
| 21:31.08 | porton | abrotman: Earlier it was that placing mouse to right-bottom I get the icons, now nothing happens on this mouse move |
| 21:31.57 | porton | abrotman: win+m works! I didn't know this key. Can this nevertheless be done without this shortcut? |
| 21:32.11 | abrotman | porton: my mouse does it .. not sure why yours doesn't |
| 21:32.17 | voyo | abrotman : : you mean during the installation ? to skip Xwindows ? rly ? Im blind then maybe.. but also too lazy to start it one more time and argue ;) |
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| 21:37.13 | hollto | ompaul: dpkg: FYI, I did not support & || entended to support any other distro but debian & I fully respect the honor code of the IRC & pointing someone to a solution, even a non debian one is A ok with the IRC honor code! |
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| 21:38.57 | airstrike | hi. this question is probably more suited to something like #windows, but maybe you can help and i trust you guys way more. i've installed windows on partition 1 and wheezy on partition 2. the thing is that i installed debian before installing windows, so i need to add the debian boot entry to the windows boot loader. how do i do that? |
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| 21:39.44 | ectospasm | hmmm... I specifically installed Windows *before* debian precisely to avoid situations like that. |
| 21:39.51 | mtn | airstrike: I would suggest reinstalling grub: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Reinstalling_GRUB_2 |
| 21:40.09 | ectospasm | mtn: why not give a Debian related page? |
| 21:40.11 | ectospasm | !grub |
| 21:40.11 | dpkg | GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub squeeze>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 #grub on irc.freenode.net. See also <grub legacy>. |
| 21:40.25 | mtn | ectospasm: I had that one to hand. shrug. |
| 21:41.17 | airstrike | i've restored grub in the past, but i was under the impression i could also configure the windows' boot loader |
| 21:41.21 | airstrike | i think i might have done both |
| 21:41.33 | airstrike | i just don't remember exactly how... |
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| 21:41.42 | mtn | airstrike: sure you can, but this is debian support |
| 21:41.58 | ectospasm | airstrike: configuring the Windows bootloader is outside our Debian scope. Your best bet for that is #windows. |
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| 21:42.12 | ompaul | hollto: and dpkg is a bot ... |
| 21:42.13 | veikko | :D |
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| 21:43.28 | hollto | behind a bot there is a sailor ;-) |
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| 21:48.42 | local | before I encrypt a partition with LUKS, do I need to create a certain partition type ? I want to encrypt my USB drive, and created a partition which is called /dev/sdg1. By default it became type id 83 (=Linux). Do this partition need a special type id ? |
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| 21:54.09 | Tramp | local: no. "cryptsetup luksFormat" on this partition should work fine now |
| 21:55.04 | local | Tramp: so theoretically I could create the new partition /dev/sdg1 as DOS partition and continue my work with encrypting this partition? It does not affect LUKS which partition type it was BEFORE Luks did write anything to it? |
| 21:55.38 | hollto | local: you can encrypt a partition you have or crecate a new one. |
| 21:55.42 | Tramp | local: to my knowledge, it doesn't matter |
| 21:56.22 | woshty | Btw. does cryptsetup still use sha1 by default? |
| 21:56.50 | tremon | local: it doesn't matter. But don't use a microsoft partition type identifier, or microsoft will helpfully format the disk for you if it can't read it |
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| 21:57.59 | tremon | local: I tend to use the partition type of the data inside it, so 83 if I want a normal linux filesystem, and 8e if I want lvm on luks |
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| 21:58.26 | voyo | abrotman : : I admin I was wrong, indeed there is option during setup to install (or not to) 'basic graphic system' |
| 21:59.07 | hollto | voyo: yep, moving-on |
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| 21:59.34 | abrotman | like i'm a liar .. |
| 21:59.42 | netsecparano | Hi, does someone knows how to force tls 1.2 with iceweasel? It seems that the firefox setting doesn't exist in about:config... |
| 21:59.46 | voyo | did I say anything like that ? |
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| 22:01.24 | voyo | man.. even after I apologise you are still acting like a child... I still maintains that wordl is changing to the worse... :/ |
| 22:01.36 | hollto | woshty: http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions |
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| 22:03.00 | Abigobaldo | brazil cup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu-Xp7IyUWw |
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| 22:04.23 | guest43242 | I think that something is wrong with my hard disk, or the motherboard, any idea how to check that? |
| 22:04.38 | Vasistha | I am finally installing wheezy on my (new) primary computer; is alsa still recommended for sound, or have we moved to another sound system? |
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| 22:05.27 | abrotman | guest43242: that's really vague |
| 22:05.28 | Vasistha | guest43242: you can check the hard disk with badblocks, and the memory with memtest86+ |
| 22:06.13 | guest43242 | badblocks,, didn't think of that, hmm |
| 22:06.43 | guest43242 | but I think the performance is not as bad as with bad blocks |
| 22:06.56 | guest43242 | it is about 5MiB/s |
| 22:06.57 | hollto | guest43242: disconnect drive check M.B. without it bootCD |
| 22:07.21 | abrotman | guest43242: is this a hardware problem or OS problem? |
| 22:07.39 | guest43242 | hollto, but what if the problem is only in the sata controller of something like that? |
| 22:08.01 | guest43242 | abrotman, idk, |
| 22:08.13 | abrotman | guest43242: What OSes do you have on the system ? |
| 22:08.15 | tremon | Vasistha: none of the audio systems are perfect, which is why we have so many of them. Pick your poison. |
| 22:08.27 | guest43242 | abrotman, only debian |
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| 22:08.50 | abrotman | guest43242: are you losing data? you just think it's slow and that's the issue? |
| 22:09.02 | guest43242 | abrotman, just slow |
| 22:09.07 | voyo | guest43242 : btw, dont even think about running badblocks on mounted disk |
| 22:09.47 | hollto | guest43242: if M.B ok chech the H.disk with http://www.ultimatebootcd.com |
| 22:09.49 | Vasistha | tremon: I've been using alsa for years; not sure what advantage I (considering my use habits) would gain from switching. Any rundown/advice on the web to help decision making? |
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| 22:09.52 | voyo | guest43242 : 1st step - check your logs, and 'dmesg' output, for all intersting logs. then pick your target for further investigation |
| 22:10.36 | local | tremon: thanks for the hint not to use a Microsoft partition type identifier. So please tell me: if I want to have the option to extend my available USB drive space (by adding a second USB drive to the host), I should format my USB sticks first partition with 8e (=LVM), right? Then I encrypt it with LUKS, correct? |
| 22:11.03 | guest43242 | is there some benchmarking tool for HDs? maybe I could run that, and see if performance is normal for the benchmark? |
| 22:11.28 | abrotman | bonnie++ |
| 22:11.29 | hollto | guston: you can use SMART tools from you os but it is better to use a clean setup + on that CD UBCD you get tools from all major HD manufactors |
| 22:11.30 | local | and then after I encrypted this USB stick and formated the encrypted /dev/mapper/myencusb with ext4, I can add it to LVM ? |
| 22:11.31 | voyo | hdparm -t |
| 22:11.43 | abrotman | hdparm is not a benchmark |
| 22:12.17 | tremon | Vasistha: I know of no objective comparison page. If alsa works for you, then stick with it. |
| 22:12.17 | hollto | guest43242: (sorry guston:) you can use SMART tools from you os but it is better to use a clean setup + on that CD UBCD you get tools from all major HD manufactors |
| 22:12.18 | voyo | abrotman : bonnie is not benchmark for HD , but for filesystem rather |
| 22:12.19 | voyo | hdparm with "-t" option |
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| 22:12.38 | abrotman | voyo: sure, which is on the HDD |
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| 22:13.10 | Vasistha | tremon: thanks, I'll do that! |
| 22:13.18 | abrotman | hdparm is still not a benchmark |
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| 22:13.20 | guest43242 | is bonnie ran on mounted disk? |
| 22:13.26 | Tramp | local: no. You don't add a formatted partition to LVM. You add block devices to LVM |
| 22:13.29 | voyo | abrotman : does not need to be on hdd. he asked for benchamark for HD, what implies some kind of raw mode. |
| 22:13.33 | abrotman | guest43242: read the documentation |
| 22:13.35 | tremon | local: use luks as the lowest layer, so lvm on luks, not luks on lvm. But I would not use lvm on external disks at all |
| 22:13.37 | guest43242 | or should I try also when it is not the OS? |
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| 22:13.48 | guest43242 | ok abrotman thanks |
| 22:13.51 | guest43242 | I will |
| 22:16.00 | local | tremon: Why not using LVM for my USB drive? I thought I will use LVM for my USB drive, too, so in case I need to extend my USB drive space I can just attach a second USB stick and add it to my LVM volume group |
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| 22:18.36 | voyo | local : usb drive is too volatile for LVM, you can easily damage your setup. USB is not "stable" enough to use as permament device. I would not use usb drive as lvm member... |
| 22:19.28 | tremon | local: yes, you can, and it would work. But I would never do that because external disks are meant to travel between hosts. If you create an lvm spanning two external disks, you lose the ability to ever use only one of them on another system |
| 22:19.53 | hollto | guest43242: if you think your HD is bad you better check it first with the HD manufacturers software, even better ddrescue/backup it to an iso file first. as you play/stress it, it can crash! |
| 22:19.53 | tremon | whether that's an issue for you or not, is up to you |
| 22:19.56 | Tramp | I have LVM withouth problems on 2 external drives. However, I have no LVM *spanning* drives. I have also no LVM spanning *internal* drives. |
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| 22:21.04 | StyXman | I have an Intel GM965/GL960 and debian testing with some things from unstable. vainfo is failing with the following text: http://paste.debian.net/69885/ any ideas? |
| 22:21.07 | Tramp | There is IMHO no point, only risks, in having PVs for the same VG on different drives. Rather think twice about how to organize the mountpoints. |
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| 22:21.08 | guest43242 | hollto, I don't know it could be the MB, the HD or the OS software |
| 22:21.24 | abrotman | or notihng at all |
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| 22:21.47 | voyo | guest43242 : check 'dmesg' as first |
| 22:22.17 | local | voyo + tremon: I intend to use a USB drive on my Raspberry Pi and a second one in case I need to extend the space. If I would setup LUKS+LVM with 2 USB drives, cannot I just unplug them from my RPi (1) and plug them into RPi (2) and mount them on the second RPi ? |
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| 22:22.30 | local | why is that not possible, I don't understand |
| 22:22.34 | guest43242 | right abrotman |
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| 22:23.24 | tremon | local: that is possible, as long as you move both disks. You cannot have one disk attached to Pi1 and one attached to Pi2 and expect lvm to be happy about it |
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| 22:23.53 | netsecparano | Hello, does someone knows how to force tls 1.2 with iceweasel? It seems that the firefox setting doesn't exist in about:config... |
| 22:24.00 | hollto | guest43242: that is Y it is importent to follow the why I showed you, long byt safe! |
| 22:24.05 | voyo | local you are not supposed to move disk from *one* LVM setup to another with other disks. its quite "permament" ssetup. |
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| 22:24.33 | styler | anyone have any experience preseeding wireless network parameters? it keeps showing the select wireless network dialog |
| 22:24.39 | styler | PM me, id appreciate it greatly |
| 22:24.50 | local | tremon: of course I would take *both* USB drives to switch to another host. That's my thought. Voyo: I am talkin about moving BOTH USB drives to another host and reestablish them each other with LUKS+LVM |
| 22:24.53 | MisterE | hey, I have a huge wordlist and I need to pare it down to words 8 characters to above so someone suggested this: sed -rn '/.{8,}/p' ./hugh-wordlist.txt > ./small-wordlist.txt |
| 22:24.54 | abrotman | keep it in the channel please |
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| 22:24.57 | MisterE | will that work? |
| 22:25.27 | MisterE | 8 characters+ |
| 22:25.28 | styler | oh ok sorry |
| 22:25.29 | local | MisterE: try #sed |
| 22:25.31 | MisterE | oh ok |
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| 22:27.55 | voyo | local : moving BOTH disk - *should* be safe, BUT - there is a risk, that you will connect them in different way (1st will be detected as 2nd , in other system). I would not trust any "automatic" setup of this. checkout something called "uuid" , alter required scripts for your needs. |
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| 22:30.00 | tremon | lvm always uses uuids to detect partitions, so that's not really an issue. What IS an issue is using a non-unique volume group name, and then attaching disks from different VGs (but same VG name) to the same computer |
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| 22:30.51 | tremon | I had that once, recovering data from a VG named data when I already had a VG named data in my own machine. That was much fun |
| 22:31.21 | voyo | tremon sure 100% its using uuid , not just device name ? |
| 22:31.57 | local | by the way, I also use UUID for mounts, so I dont think that should be an issue |
| 22:32.03 | tremon | it's using uuids to detect and reassemble its volume groups. But udev uses the VG names to create /dev entries |
| 22:32.18 | voyo | ok, I wasnt sure.. |
| 22:32.53 | local | tremon: I see the problem, nice that you mentioned that. But I don't think that will occur in my case. |
| 22:33.54 | local | I am still not sure if "LVM on LUKS" or "LUKS or LVM" is preferrable. I also have found this article here, which describes in details those scenarios: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt_with_LUKS |
| 22:34.39 | local | and as I intend to use DRBD as clustering, that would mean I have to choose the right layer, so in summary I will have DRBD+LUKS+LVM. But on which order shold I use them? |
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| 22:37.33 | tremon | both can work, with luks on lvm you only need one passphrase while with lvm on luks you need to unlock both lvm members separately |
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| 22:38.39 | tremon | however, with luks on lvm you might lose the ability to unlock all data if the wrong disk fails |
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| 22:38.43 | local | tremon: can you tell me where on Debian the order of these hooks is handled (like on ArchLinux it is configured through /etc/mkinitcpio.conf) |
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| 22:39.51 | tremon | not sure what you mean with order. The debian equivalent of mkinitcpio is initramfs-tools |
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| 22:40.47 | tremon | however non-root lvm volumes are unlocked by /etc/init.d/lvm2 and its init dependencies |
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| 22:45.55 | local | tremon: I am asking because: I want to be safe and encrypt the swap and the temporary area also with LUKS, because some temporary data maybe written unencrypted to swap or temp directories. But I am not sure how to do that on a Raspberry Pi, because my RPi does not use a partition for swap, but a file (/var/swap) which is initialised by 'dphys-swapfile' |
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| 22:49.15 | tremon | debian has special provisions for encrypted swap, normally you add "cryptswap /dev/$path /dev/urandom swap" to /etc/crypttab and debian will generate a new encryption key for swap at each boot. Not sure how that extends to either raspbian or swap files |
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| 22:52.19 | tremon | possibly the easiest solution is to make /tmp a (small) tmpfs and run without swap |
| 22:52.36 | tremon | but with that combination it's easy to run out of memory and trigger the oom killer |
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| 22:58.49 | SlaSerX | hi |
| 22:59.22 | SlaSerX | how i can restrict the user can look ps -aux process only run the current user |
| 22:59.27 | SlaSerX | without grsec patch |
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| 23:03.17 | Tramp | SlaSerX: proc /proc proc defaults,hidepid=2 0 0 <-- modify this entry in your fstab |
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| 23:03.50 | Tramp | SlaSerX: please keep it in the channel |
| 23:04.11 | SlaSerX | ok but what i change |
| 23:04.22 | Tramp | you modify the "proc" entry in your /etc/fstab to contain "hidepid=2", as in the example I gave |
| 23:04.34 | SlaSerX | ok but i dont have /proc |
| 23:04.37 | SlaSerX | on my fstab |
| 23:04.53 | SlaSerX | http://pastebin.com/SdE3GaCj |
| 23:04.54 | SlaSerX | look |
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| 23:06.29 | Tramp | SlaSerX: hmm. run: mount -o remount,hidepid=2 /proc |
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| 23:07.03 | tremon | SlaSerX: add the line tramp gave you then |
| 23:07.12 | SlaSerX | i try mount -o remount,hidepid=2 /proc |
| 23:07.13 | SlaSerX | but nothing |
| 23:07.15 | SlaSerX | i add line now |
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| 23:07.22 | SlaSerX | proc /proc proc defaults,hidepid=2 0 0 |
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| 23:07.24 | SlaSerX | this line ? |
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| 23:07.41 | Tramp | SlaSerX: yes. But after the cmd I gave you, it should already be working |
| 23:07.49 | SlaSerX | i try now |
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| 23:08.13 | Tramp | SlaSerX: the line only takes effect after reboot. The command takes effect immediately |
| 23:08.20 | SlaSerX | ok i try now |
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| 23:10.11 | JohnnyL | Can someone please tell me of a good ext4 driver for windows 8? |
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| 23:10.52 | Lady_Aleena | I am setting up Apache where to DocumentRoot is another directory on my drive. If I am reading apache2.conf correctly, I have to edit etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default. There is another directory called /sites-available/ however I don't see it mentioned in the apache2.conf, so I can leave those two files alone, correct? |
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| 23:11.15 | Tramp | JohnnyL: the guys and girls in ##windows? |
| 23:11.21 | Lady_Aleena | s/where to/where/; |
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| 23:11.50 | SlaSerX | Tramp |
| 23:11.50 | SlaSerX | work thx |
| 23:11.54 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: man a2ensite |
| 23:12.02 | Tramp | SlaSerX: welcome |
| 23:12.23 | Lady_Aleena | I am asking here because it looks like Debian uses a non-standard install of Apache. |
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| 23:12.37 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: i told you what to read |
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| 23:14.02 | tremon | Lady_Aleena: the general approach is to add a new file (config fragment) in sites-available, then run a2ensite to enable that site |
| 23:14.11 | abrotman | or read the man page ... |
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| 23:14.45 | Lady_Aleena | abrotman, went to read. Give me a moment to understand, please. |
| 23:14.51 | themill | and /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
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| 23:20.45 | Dan39 | is it normal for a VPS not to have logs from kernel(dmesg returns nothing)? |
| 23:21.07 | forcer | Dan39: Yes |
| 23:21.15 | Dan39 | bummer |
| 23:21.47 | Dan39 | is there some way to get certain logs, or is that stuff handled by the host node, so not visible to me? :( |
| 23:22.07 | abrotman | Ask your provider? |
| 23:22.29 | Dan39 | i doubt asking the provider will help, its huge provider lol they dont really give much support like that |
| 23:22.30 | forcer | Dan39: Depending on the VPS, the kernel isn't really "your" kernel. What kind of logs do you need? |
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| 23:23.45 | Edowardo | What is the command to show the errors of a prorgam attempting to launch from terminal |
| 23:23.46 | Dan39 | well before on my dedi when i was being DoSed i could see messages like UDP: short packet: From 185.21... to my.ip.... |
| 23:24.07 | Dan39 | so i could see the ip of person attacking |
| 23:24.18 | Dan39 | this is debian 7 vps on OVH btw |
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| 23:25.22 | Dan39 | hmm, will tcpdump work on a VPS? |
| 23:25.30 | forcer | Dan39: It's quite likely that those packets never actually reach your VPS |
| 23:25.31 | forcer | Yes |
| 23:25.38 | Dan39 | o |
| 23:26.00 | forcer | Dan39: You can set up some smarter DoS (or other attack) detection rules with iptables if you really care |
| 23:26.09 | smj | Was there some way to save the list of installed packages so that I can restore my system to that state later on? |
| 23:26.23 | Dan39 | forcer: thanks, have any links you prefer for iptables rules? |
| 23:26.28 | Dan39 | else i can just google it myself |
| 23:26.40 | abrotman | netfilter.org |
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| 23:26.50 | abrotman | but if you're really getting DDoSed, talk to your provider |
| 23:26.59 | Dan39 | when that last one happened i had just made my own rules to block the specific ip and block udp on the ports that were being attacked |
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| 23:27.17 | Dan39 | abrotman: providers dont seem to help much |
| 23:27.17 | abrotman | DoS or DDoS? |
| 23:27.20 | Dan39 | just null my IP |
| 23:27.21 | Dan39 | :| |
| 23:27.24 | forcer | Dan39: Nope, sorry. Haven't really set up anything for DoS detection. |
| 23:27.33 | Dan39 | ive been told DDoS, tho when they did it against my dedi it was just a single ip |
| 23:27.52 | Dan39 | i have ircds from a provider so i couldnt tell anything besides when they go down lol |
| 23:28.07 | Dan39 | they did nothing but null our server's ip |
| 23:28.19 | Tramp | smj: last time I checked it was dpkg --get-selections |
| 23:28.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell smj about aptitude clone |
| 23:28.45 | Dan39 | and thats at a staminus DC which advertises as "the leader in DDoS protection".... my ass |
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| 23:28.52 | forcer | smj: dpkg --get-selections (and dpkg --clear-selections ; dpkg --set-selections to restore) if you don't care about versions |
| 23:29.21 | Dan39 | it was large DoS, from a gigabit server to my dedi |
| 23:29.30 | Dan39 | but only 1 ip lol. youd think DC could block that easy |
| 23:30.04 | abrotman | smj: see what the bot told you |
| 23:30.28 | forcer | Nice. Wish I'd have known about that aptitude clone thing when I got my new VPS :-D |
| 23:31.13 | Dan39 | dpkg: tell me about aptitude clone |
| 23:31.22 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Dan39 about selftell |
| 23:31.45 | Dan39 | hehe |
| 23:31.54 | Dan39 | i have done that many times before actually, PMing the bot :P |
| 23:32.05 | Dan39 | but figured it was active topic in the channel, so not as much spammy |
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| 23:34.47 | reavengrey | h[a]kr: if you don't put l337 in front of your name |
| 23:35.00 | reavengrey | then you're just a normal, average hacker |
| 23:35.12 | reavengrey | i'm not impressed :| |
| 23:35.27 | abrotman | reavengrey: perhaps you want #debian-offtopic ? |
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| 23:46.07 | xperement_ | hi there |
| 23:46.32 | xperement_ | how to install properly amd e1-2100 apu drivers to increase performance? |
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| 23:52.58 | airstrike | hi. how do i 'rebuild ntfs-3g with integrated FUSE support'? i can't mount my external ntfs drive |
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| 23:55.03 | JohnnyL | hi, how can I install a minimal LAMP and a simple Opera browser desktop using Debian? |
| 23:55.13 | CrunchGNU | None of the CDs I insert are showing up on the system. Can anyone help me? |
| 23:55.31 | JohnnyL | i can do the LAMP by source. I just want an aboslute minimum GUI desktop. |
| 23:55.41 | dvs | CrunchGNU: Which ISO image? |
| 23:55.54 | CrunchGNU | dvs, I cannot mount any CD's inserted |
| 23:55.59 | CrunchGNU | data, music, or otherwise |
| 23:56.06 | airstrike | i found an ubuntu guide for it. let's see if it'll work. |
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| 23:56.15 | xperement_ | which driver should i use with amd e1-2100 apu? |
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| 23:58.28 | themill | airstrike: I don't know of any way of using ntfs-3g that doesn't use fuse. |
| 23:59.09 | teraflop | airstrike: just apt-get install --reinstall ntfs3-g should work |
