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| 00:15.00 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 00:15.15 | ShapeShifter499 | does anyone know how to get steam on debian? |
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| 00:20.26 | petn-randall | ShapeShifter499: If you're running testing, it's 'apt-get install steam'. |
| 00:22.18 | ShapeShifter499 | petn-randall, I'm not |
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| 00:22.29 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm worried about security with testing |
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| 00:24.28 | petn-randall | ShapeShifter499: steam is available from their website for linux. Should work with wheezy, now that they fixed their dependencies. |
| 00:25.08 | ShapeShifter499 | petn-randall, the deb file I got asked for jocky-common |
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| 00:27.33 | petn-randall | ShapeShifter499: Never heard of it. But it's not in Ubuntu, either, which they officially support. |
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| 00:31.59 | k-man | how can i get a newer version of nmcli into my wheezy instalation? the default wheezy version does not support adding wifi interfaces from the cli |
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| 00:34.49 | petn-randall | k-man: It doesn't? Ouch. |
| 00:35.27 | petn-randall | k-man: There aren't any backports available, so if that's the only option to fix it, you'd have to do them yourself. |
| 00:35.32 | k-man | petn-randall, no apparantly you need 0.9.16 and in wheezy there is only 0.9.12 afaict |
| 00:35.47 | k-man | ahh, ill check backports |
| 00:36.08 | petn-randall | ,v network-manager |
| 00:36.09 | judd | Package: network-manager on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.1-6+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.4.0-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.4.0-10; jessie: 0.9.8.0-5; sid: 0.9.8.0-5; experimental: 0.9.8.8-1 |
| 00:36.19 | petn-randall | ,checkbackports network-manager |
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| 00:36.50 | petn-randall | ,checkbackport network-manager |
| 00:36.51 | judd | Backporting package network-manager in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 00:37.19 | petn-randall | k-man: ^^^ |
| 00:37.53 | petn-randall | k-man: I'd verify if that's really the case and your only option. If it's your only option, do a backport yourself. |
| 00:37.54 | k-man | what sort of magic is that? |
| 00:38.33 | petn-randall | k-man: judd is a bot which you can query for stuff, like checking if the build-dependencies of backporting are satisfied. |
| 00:38.47 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell k-man -about ssb |
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| 00:39.17 | k-man | thanks |
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| 00:39.33 | k-man | pretty nifty stuff |
| 00:39.47 | petn-randall | k-man: you're welcome. Come back if you run into problems :) |
| 00:40.36 | k-man | thanks petn-randall, i will do |
| 00:41.22 | k-man | its going to be fun as its for my olimex micro pc thing. so compiling on there might be a bit much to ask of it. |
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| 00:46.26 | petn-randall | k-man: The other option would be to use ifupdown. And guessnet, if it needs to detect different APs. |
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| 00:48.20 | k-man | guessnet? ah, that sounds interesting |
| 00:48.22 | pauilkm | I'm trying to build some software and get the error "The XInput library and headers were not found" which package do I need? I have x11-dev |
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| 00:51.20 | petn-randall | pauilkm: Which software is it? Free software often comes with a list of requirements in the INSTALL or README. |
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| 00:53.52 | pauilkm | petn-randall: its glfw - turns out it was xorg-dev :) |
| 00:55.41 | petn-randall | pauilkm: Good to see it worked out :) |
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| 01:05.52 | alexlikerock | any one can tell me if "coma" ( , ) are simbol not normal ? |
| 01:06.24 | alexlikerock | for a file to download |
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| 01:06.58 | petn-randall | alexlikerock: I don't understand your question. What are you trying to do? |
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| 01:08.20 | hans_henrik | a completely clean install of Debian 7.1 with gnome-classic use about 163MB ram, just to log in and start htop. completely clean install of ubuntu 12.04LTS with unitycrap uses about 112MB ram for the same. :s |
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| 01:08.52 | petn-randall | hans_henrik: ... and your support question is? |
| 01:09.14 | hans_henrik | how to switch from gnome to lxde i guess |
| 01:09.17 | alexlikerock | petn-randall, i try to upload a file to my apache server, the file are "my moon, my sky.mp3" |
| 01:09.32 | alexlikerock | the coma are problem ??? |
| 01:10.03 | hans_henrik | just really thought that gnome-classic was lighter than unity |
| 01:10.19 | hans_henrik | unity has all that fancy animation crap |
| 01:10.38 | alexlikerock | the coma ( ,) are problem to mp3 players ? o download on webbrowser ? |
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| 01:11.04 | petn-randall | alexlikerock: It shouldn't be a problem, all current filesystems can do that. Are you passing the name on the command line? Then you will need to quote it with 'my moon, my sky.mp3' |
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| 01:11.36 | alexlikerock | hooo! greate , tanks so much petn-randall |
| 01:11.47 | petn-randall | alexlikerock: You're welcome :) |
| 01:11.52 | alexlikerock | :)) |
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| 01:12.25 | petn-randall | hans_henrik: And you care about 50 MB of RAM difference because ... ? |
| 01:12.49 | hans_henrik | because this box has 250mb ram total. |
| 01:12.56 | hans_henrik | it makes a noticable difference |
| 01:13.05 | petn-randall | Oh. Try xfce4 then. |
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| 01:14.17 | petn-randall | hans_henrik: xfce4/LXDE are one of the slimmer DEs. There are some that are even slimmer, but they're not necessarily user-friendly. |
| 01:16.59 | hans_henrik | lxde was next on my list anyway |
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| 01:23.18 | sunspotbtc | can someone explain why MD5SUMS gets truncated when I try to access it via tor to verify the sig? |
| 01:23.56 | sunspotbtc | specifically, this 5.0K file: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 01:24.33 | hans_henrik | whoa, i have no idea, but that doesnt sound good |
| 01:24.51 | hans_henrik | its like if tor is corrupting the transfer? |
| 01:25.10 | sunspotbtc | hans_henrik: yea, the file just gets truncated |
| 01:25.20 | petn-randall | sunspotbtc: How do you know it gets truncated? |
| 01:25.21 | sunspotbtc | all of the sum files do |
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| 01:26.00 | sunspotbtc | petn-randall: http://pastebin.com/1MAwgiSZ |
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| 01:26.14 | petn-randall | sunspotbtc: How are you downloading it? |
| 01:26.19 | sunspotbtc | petn-randall: only part of the file loads, I can see that it's truncated compared to my normal browser |
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| 01:26.24 | petn-randall | sunspotbtc: i.e. which tools? |
| 01:26.29 | sunspotbtc | petn-randall: just opening it with torbrowser |
| 01:26.52 | petn-randall | sunspotbtc: Is it reproduceable? |
| 01:27.10 | sunspotbtc | petn-randall: yep, i've tried several identiies and also restarting tor and vidalia |
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| 01:29.40 | petn-randall | sunspotbtc: I'd take it to #tor, maybe they can debug it with you. |
| 01:29.54 | sunspotbtc | petn-randall: will do, thanks |
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| 01:32.28 | hans_henrik | holy f |
| 01:32.29 | hans_henrik | hes right |
| 01:32.32 | hans_henrik | i can reproduce it 2 |
| 01:34.20 | sunspotbtc | hans_henrik: let's get our tin hats on, this could get ugly ;) |
| 01:34.42 | hans_henrik | i do get this warning from firefox though: 01:34:01.834] The character encoding of the plain text document was not declared. The document will render with garbled text in some browser configurations if the document contains characters from outside the US-ASCII range. The character encoding of the file needs to be declared in the transfer protocol or file needs to use a byte order mark as an encoding |
| 01:34.42 | hans_henrik | signature. @ http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 01:36.11 | sunspotbtc | it seems to consistently truncate at 1224 bytes |
| 01:37.07 | petn-randall | sunspotbtc: Try wget and curl. |
| 01:37.30 | sunspotbtc | petn-randall: I don't have usewithtor installed |
| 01:37.35 | sunspotbtc | petn-randall: so can't test it with tor |
| 01:37.41 | sunspotbtc | petn-randall: of course they work fine without tor |
| 01:38.29 | petn-randall | sunspotbtc: You can teach them to use a proxy. |
| 01:41.02 | one_tkbx | I need to install libdb4.8++-dev, but it's not in jessie repos, is there a suitable alternative? |
| 01:41.48 | ShapeShifter499 | petn-randall, still there? I missed spelled the package, it's called jockey-common |
| 01:41.51 | sunspotbtc | hans_henrik: still here |
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| 01:46.26 | phauxn | does inotify work with zfs on debian? |
| 01:48.01 | themill | one_tkbx: there are newer versions available that are most likely backwards compatible |
| 01:48.53 | petn-randall | ,v jockey-common |
| 01:48.54 | judd | No package named 'jockey-common' was found in i386. |
| 01:49.48 | one_tkbx | themill, only cache results for libdb4 are 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, all ending in "ruby1.8" |
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| 01:50.32 | themill | one_tkbx: libdb5.3++-dev is the current package |
| 01:51.00 | one_tkbx | in which release? |
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| 01:53.29 | themill | one_tkbx: you said you were using jessie |
| 01:53.58 | one_tkbx | yes, my packages were out of date, I see it now |
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| 01:54.58 | themill | libdb5.1 is also there but I don't see any reason to use it rather than 5.3 |
| 01:55.22 | ShapeShifter499 | petn-randall, it's in ubuntu not debian :/ |
| 01:56.07 | ShapeShifter499 | petn-randall, I'm not even sure what it does |
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| 02:03.05 | petn-randall | ShapeShifter499: You could try to install jessie's steam on your machine, no idea how well that works. The other alternative would be to upgrade to testing. :/ |
| 02:06.12 | ShapeShifter499 | petn-randall, I was researching things and came across pinning... I think I'll pin "steam" to jessie or sid and try it |
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| 02:16.12 | sunspotbtc | can someone please confirm the MD5SUMS for the debian-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS since I can't seem to load that page with tor? |
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| 02:17.58 | phauxn | does inotify work with zfs on debian? |
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| 02:18.24 | themill | sunspotbtc: why not just load it outside of tor. |
| 02:19.12 | sunspotbtc | themill: it's not SSL so wide open to a man in the middle attack |
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| 02:20.38 | sunspotbtc | and why isn't it ssl in the first place btw? |
| 02:20.44 | themill | so you'll ask a random person on irc instead? |
| 02:20.51 | schultza | how can i tell if my isc-dhcp-server is listening on the right port only? |
| 02:21.11 | themill | sunspotbtc: the hashes are GPG signed which is much less prone to mitm than ssl in any case. |
| 02:21.20 | sunspotbtc | themill: several random persons on different servers, etc. using an irc connection from another network, etc. s |
| 02:21.40 | sunspotbtc | themill: only if you're wihtin the web of trust which I'm not |
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| 02:22.08 | sunspotbtc | themill: but good point I should verify the gpg too |
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| 02:22.16 | themill | no, you don't need to be within the web of trust to verify the signature. |
| 02:23.06 | sunspotbtc | themill: oh, really? how would I trust a sig I download? |
| 02:23.25 | themill | sunspotbtc: do you have a debian or ubuntu box already? |
| 02:23.32 | sunspotbtc | themill: no |
| 02:23.41 | themill | sunspotbtc: the start at https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
| 02:23.42 | sunspotbtc | themill: this is my first time installing debian in like ten years lol |
| 02:24.05 | sunspotbtc | themill: security cert is not trusted |
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| 02:24.16 | erm3nda | Hi people! |
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| 02:24.32 | themill | sunspotbtc: well I can tell you to trust that and so can other people and apparently that's good enough for you... |
| 02:24.49 | themill | (that's what you'd be doing if there were an ssl cabal cert there) |
| 02:25.17 | erm3nda | Q: a quick.. i wanna to enable some Linux usablitity to a Windows system. Id try some of it... like cygwin and unxutils |
| 02:25.28 | erm3nda | I wanna know your opinion or recommend |
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| 02:25.55 | sunspotbtc | themill: ok, but just to make sure I understand properly, there could be a mitm attack with that cert and then I'd be trusting a cert that was compromized, right? |
| 02:26.02 | ShapeShifter499 | on backports repo can I put "stable" in place of "wheezy" so I would always get the latest stable backports regardless of what the code name was of the current stable release? |
| 02:26.07 | themill | sunspotbtc: ssl certs aren't worth much for verifying you are talking who you think you are talking to. Only last week fake certs for google were in circulation. |
| 02:26.42 | sunspotbtc | themill: so what's the solution to trusting a download? :) |
| 02:26.53 | sunspotbtc | themill: asking a random guy on irc? ;) |
| 02:27.01 | themill | ShapeShifter499: you should use "wheezy" not "stable" in your sources.list. You don't want a nasty surprise and a broken isntallation when jessie releases |
| 02:27.07 | themill | dpkg: tell ShapeShifter499 about stable sources.list |
| 02:27.20 | erm3nda | themill: fake ssl cert is not a toy for. Is hard even if youu see one running over internet. |
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| 02:27.39 | themill | sunspotbtc: verify the gpg signatures |
| 02:27.41 | erm3nda | anyway, pc security is a neverend upstair |
| 02:28.18 | sunspotbtc | themill: yes but to get the gpg sigs I have to download them and to download I need to accept an ssl cert |
| 02:28.26 | sunspotbtc | themill: or am I being too paranoid? |
| 02:28.37 | schultza | How do I prevent isc-dhcp-server from hosting/answering requests on an interface? |
| 02:28.54 | sunspotbtc | I thought the debian web of trust got around that by making people meet in person |
| 02:28.56 | themill | sunspotbtc: you probably are, yes. You'll find that the software you're installing is signed with those same gpg keys so at some stage, you have to trust them |
| 02:29.16 | themill | sunspotbtc: yes, all of debian's keys are well connected. |
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| 02:30.51 | erm3nda | Q: Please, i speend a lot of time researching about linux shell and programs integration over windows. Let me know your experience to do a good choice :) |
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| 02:31.51 | sunspotbtc | erm3nda: try again, that is not a question |
| 02:31.57 | sunspotbtc | erm3nda: google translate? |
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| 02:32.13 | ShapeShifter499 | themill, can I pin a wheezy repo and a stable repo seperately? |
| 02:32.21 | ShapeShifter499 | separately* |
| 02:33.06 | themill | ShapeShifter499: there's not really much point -- just have wheezy in your sources.list. One day, you'll want to upgrade to jessie and so you edit your sources.list. |
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| 02:33.36 | unkmar | themill: I'll never upgrade again. |
| 02:33.39 | vapor | my quest to go full terminal is near complete |
| 02:34.00 | ShapeShifter499 | vapor, no gui? |
| 02:34.08 | unkmar | I do fresh installs and migrate over. I'm done with so called upgrades breaking my stuff. |
| 02:35.13 | themill | unkmar: debian is very upgradable; many of us have boxes that are several releases old. |
| 02:35.16 | sunspotbtc | themill: thanks for the help, could you just do one last favor and verify the MD5 Fingerprint of the ftp-master.debian.org certificate? Then I promise to take my tin hat off :) |
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| 02:35.58 | ShapeShifter499 | themill, several releases old? do those releases still have their repos up? |
| 02:36.05 | unkmar | themill: maybe without a gui. or without contrib non-free. Definately not with. |
| 02:36.21 | themill | unkmar: eh? |
| 02:36.27 | themill | that makes no sense |
| 02:36.45 | themill | ShapeShifter499: archive.debian.org exists yes, but these are machines that have been progressively upgraded |
| 02:37.11 | unkmar | everything I have ever upgraded that had a gui broke stuff. and usually in horrible ways. Major instability. |
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| 02:37.24 | themill | *shrug* you must be unlucky |
| 02:37.31 | unkmar | updates, sure, fine. upgrades = broken. |
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| 02:38.18 | themill | there's no magical difference between an upgrade and a fresh install. |
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| 02:45.26 | erm3nda | sunspotbtc: not google translate |
| 02:45.43 | erm3nda | i can speak english too bad without help of google services :) |
| 02:46.13 | erm3nda | do you only asnwer to those who put an "?" |
| 02:46.45 | erm3nda | i ask when i come in, but no one answer me, so i put my question in other format |
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| 02:47.49 | hanasaki | what do the file perms mean when there is a "." or "+" after -rwxrwxrwx ? |
| 02:48.08 | unkmar | themill: yes, major difference in fresh and upgrade. Upgrades have never worked for me. Fresh does. Fresh also comes with the painful baggage of getting drivers and such for my multi-monitr setup. Along with the setup itself. |
| 02:48.13 | erm3nda | sunspotbtc: i wanna now wich is the better or at least a good choice to use som Linux tools over windows. |
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| 02:49.26 | unkmar | themill: I then have the pleasure of carefully dragging my data back into place and rebuilding symlinks. |
| 02:50.12 | unkmar | themill: TL;DR answer. Upgrades break. Fresh is works and is lots of work to return to normal. |
| 02:50.33 | unkmar | s/is works/works/ |
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| 02:51.58 | unkmar | Emmanuel_Chanel: to what end? depends on what you are trying to accomplish. there are things I can easily do with Windows that I can't with linux. Though, I don't use windows anymore, so I couldn't tell you what that is. |
| 02:52.07 | unkmar | erm3nda: ^^ |
| 02:52.13 | unkmar | Emmanuel_Chanel: oops! wrong person. |
| 02:52.47 | erm3nda | :( not me? XD |
| 02:52.55 | unkmar | erm3nda: The number of things I can do with Linux that I can't find any way of doing in windows is staggering. |
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| 02:56.33 | unkmar | erm3nda: many of those things can be done in Windows by shim. Installing cygwin and learning a crippled version of using the *nix environment. I only cygwin is a fantastic toolset. It is just a matter of dealing with the handful of quirky differences of the cygwin environment from a real *nix environment that I'd rather not deal. |
| 02:56.41 | erm3nda | i know, but my question is only about wich of the current Linux over Win implementacion are best. As i know, cygwin is a layer, and unxutils are native Windows tools (ports) "like" the current tool on Linux. Im sure i can choose one without ask, but i like to know other people using it. |
| 02:56.44 | unkmar | eh |
| 02:56.46 | erm3nda | reading you, srry :) |
| 02:57.42 | unkmar | There is also a Ming something another. Cygwin is much better. I simply avoid using Windows. |
| 02:58.14 | erm3nda | yow, im sure. Im a windows user, but also have a 2ºHDD with vhmdk and running over vbox |
| 02:58.31 | erm3nda | im not trying to say that windows can be Linux :( |
| 02:59.25 | erm3nda | so, cygwin is the answer |
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| 02:59.47 | hans_henrik | id like to execute a script whenever the OOM-killer has finished, id also like to know exactly what the oom-killer just did, any easy way to do that? (that doesn't include patching the kernel) |
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| 03:00.00 | unkmar | erm3nda: if your goal is to have many comforts of linux inside windows. then yes! |
| 03:00.32 | hans_henrik | cygwin is awesome on *win, i can attest to that ^^ |
| 03:00.34 | erm3nda | did you see unxtools? |
| 03:01.08 | unkmar | I've never used unxtools. I'm guessing it came out after I had abandoned Windows. |
| 03:01.12 | erm3nda | yes, i use cygwin too, but sometimes i need only a small thing (ie: zip feature) and the cygwin is so much powerfull |
| 03:01.18 | unkmar | I haven't had a windows system since XP. |
| 03:01.37 | erm3nda | Win7 is not a real shit... even if is not Linux |
| 03:01.44 | erm3nda | im not a SO fanatic |
| 03:01.53 | hans_henrik | iirc, its unxtools was some crap microsoft made and supported for a short while, and dropped both development and support pretty quickly? |
| 03:02.06 | erm3nda | for my servers, i use alwais pure Debian, because i use to start learn |
| 03:02.31 | erm3nda | hans_henrik: what? |
| 03:03.21 | hans_henrik | "Utilities and SDK for Subsystem for UNIX-Based Applications is an add-on to the Subsystem for UNIX-Based Applications (referred to as SUA, hence forth) feature that ships in Microsoft Windows 7/ Windows Server 2008 R2." |
| 03:03.23 | unkmar | erm3nda: I still know how to and use Windows. I just try to avoid using it. Family and my employer require me to remain functional in Windows. |
| 03:03.25 | hans_henrik | huh, guess i remember wrong |
| 03:03.31 | erm3nda | so, cygwin is the best for a regular Linux usage over Win, even if it has a layer and also too much unwanted features |
| 03:03.40 | unkmar | I simply avoid it until required. :) |
| 03:04.03 | erm3nda | i have some Windows tools wich i have not on Linux :( and win is not god |
| 03:04.36 | erm3nda | an winE is not good, srry |
| 03:05.16 | hans_henrik | well, there's wine ; or even VirtualBox, and if everything else fails (eg, a win program that requires directx support*), there's VMWare |
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| 03:05.37 | erm3nda | virtualbox do directx, dont? |
| 03:05.43 | erm3nda | 3d support |
| 03:05.56 | erm3nda | wine is not good with some tools i have test |
| 03:06.07 | erm3nda | tool inexistent on Linux |
| 03:06.25 | hans_henrik | (virtualbox has a really crappy experimental directx support which doesnt run most games, knightonline is the only 1 i recall now; VMWare has much better support for dx) |
| 03:06.42 | erm3nda | dont know, thx for the tip |
| 03:06.50 | erm3nda | i never use a vmachine to play ... |
| 03:08.07 | hans_henrik | i used it to avoid the "anticheat" system of knightonline while studying the protocol way back :p |
| 03:08.18 | hans_henrik | .. and other stuff |
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| 03:08.43 | unkmar | I don't avoid Microsoft because of its quality. Thought that is a reason. I avoid it because of closed source and the cost. |
| 03:10.52 | ectospasm | unkmar: I avoid it because of lock-in |
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| 03:11.13 | unkmar | ectospasm: yeah, I avoid Apple too. |
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| 03:12.06 | unkmar | I have an Googled android smartphone. It'll be my last. I'm not sure what I will do after it. :/ |
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| 03:12.10 | erm3nda | I like the windows people who say ... Linux is hard. Linux is hard if you wanna be the sysman, but is not hard when you're the sysman. Anyway, if you will use Skype, or some basic SO feature like im, write, paint... any SO is easy... |
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| 03:12.46 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 03:12.47 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 03:13.20 | erm3nda | offtopic is cool when no topic is come |
| 03:13.39 | erm3nda | !pizza |
| 03:13.40 | dpkg | somebody said pizza was the prime geek fuel supply, if it is greasy. or a functional language for the Java virtual machine or at http://www.math.luc.edu/pizza/, or at http://www.hallopizza.de |
| 03:14.04 | erm3nda | !freePizza? |
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| 03:14.09 | erm3nda | :( |
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| 03:17.16 | erm3nda | unkmar: so ,thanks. |
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| 03:19.34 | hans_henrik | Could not resolve 'security.no.debian.org' |
| 03:19.49 | dvs | ??? It's just "security.debian.org" |
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| 03:19.59 | hans_henrik | oh kk |
| 03:20.40 | hans_henrik | any script to find out what debian mirror seems to be the fastest tho? |
| 03:20.53 | dvs | hans_henrik: use http.debian.net |
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| 03:22.49 | hans_henrik | getting ~30kB/s from debian.net , getting ~200kB/s from no.debian.net , getting ~500kB/s from fr.debian.net x.x |
| 03:23.21 | hans_henrik | and its supposed to be located in "atlanta" somewhere |
| 03:23.46 | dvs | no, just http.debian.net |
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| 04:00.24 | psiklops | hi. i want to build the stable 3.11.10 kernel from kernel.org ... at the moment uname -r reads 3.11.2 version ... is the version 2.11.10 high than my installed version? |
| 04:00.35 | psiklops | 2=3 |
| 04:00.47 | psiklops | high=higher :-/ |
| 04:01.25 | erm3nda | 2+2=5 |
| 04:01.32 | psiklops | :-) |
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| 04:49.40 | Guest17583 | guys is samba4 ready for use? |
| 04:49.55 | Guest17583 | I got errors like if doesnt understand some cfg commands like guest ok |
| 04:49.57 | Guest17583 | or writable |
| 04:50.14 | Guest17583 | Isnt recommended to use it from repository? |
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| 05:03.43 | leovert | hello |
| 05:04.47 | leovert | I have a silly question: if my router has as a domain suffix "router.home", how can I ping/nmap/connect to other host on the local network BY HOSTNAME? |
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| 05:08.13 | themill | leovert: you'd have to set up a dns server on that network and tell all the machines to use that dns server; alternatively, look at mdns and give the machines names in the .local domain. |
| 05:08.37 | themill | !.local domain |
| 05:08.37 | dpkg | .local is a pseudo-top-level domain for private networks. If you want to administer this domain manually using a name server like <bind> or in your <hosts> files, you should ensure that /etc/nsswitch.conf doesn't contain "mdns" entries for the hosts line in that case. Alternatively, you can let <avahi> manage the domain for you using <mdns>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.local http://wiki.debian.org/ZeroConf |
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| 05:10.45 | leovert | themill, ah, basically the router box normally does not provide a dns server for the local machines, even if it displays the connected hostnames in the configuration page? |
| 05:11.26 | leovert | themill, I did not know, I believed one could reach the machine xx at the address xx.router.home or xx.home |
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| 05:12.51 | themill | some routers may automagically add their clients to a local dns but the details vary. Some use the .local domain for this, some accept whatever domain you tell them, some only do bare hostnames (no domain name part) |
| 05:13.13 | Lady_Aleena | I went to a page in IceWeasel to watch a video, and it says "This video can't be played with your current setup." It doesn't even tell me which plug-in I am missing. Any way for me to figure out which plug-in I need? |
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| 05:14.53 | themill | leovert: personally, I find mdns to be a very convenient solution for this. Install avahi-daemon and libnss-mdns on each box (perhaps enable mdns stuff on the router; this depends) and every machine is available as hostname.local without further configuration. |
| 05:15.13 | Rusty1 | Lady_Aleena: try installing flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 05:16.40 | leovert | themill, thank you. |
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| 05:20.33 | Lady_Aleena | Oh no! I was in the middle of installing flashplugin-nonfree when I accidentally shut down Konsole. (Double clicked mouse on accident.) Did that interrupt the install, or is it still running? If it is interrupted, can I just retry or do I need to clean up after the mess I just made? |
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| 05:22.23 | Rusty1 | Lady_Aleena: try: apt-get if install, see if it completes |
| 05:22.53 | Rusty1 | Lady_Aleena: sorry, apt-get -f install |
| 05:23.02 | Lady_Aleena | Will do.. |
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| 05:23.54 | Lady_Aleena | Looks like it was done installing before my finger got twitchy. Thank you Rusty1. |
| 05:24.42 | Rusty1 | ok, Lady_Aleena now close and reopen iceweasel and see if you can watch a video |
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| 05:25.07 | Lady_Aleena | Doing it now and it plays! You saved me Rusty1... :) |
| 05:25.47 | Rusty1 | always happy to save a damsel in distress |
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| 05:26.55 | Lady_Aleena | Now to see if I set my monitor's refresh rate to 'auto', if that will make the video play better. |
| 05:26.58 | prompt32 | guys, i want to compile vlc, but says "gio.h dont exist...", but is there. Anybody knows how to solve this ? |
| 05:28.23 | ufo_ | prompr |
| 05:28.46 | Lady_Aleena | Nope, it may be my video card is on its last legs. Darn. I thought with Debian, videos would play better on a lighter OS. |
| 05:28.55 | ufo_ | prompt32: just out of curiosity, why are you compiling vlc |
| 05:29.16 | Lady_Aleena | (Everything is lighter than Windows, imo.) |
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| 05:29.57 | Lady_Aleena | Flash video playback is still jerky at best. |
| 05:30.42 | prompt32 | ufo_, to upgrade vlc-plugin, it says its buggy inside the net ... |
| 05:31.36 | Lady_Aleena | Rusty1, just for my information, -f with apt-get checks the installation status of a program? |
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| 05:34.40 | abatoo | Lady_Aleena: it's shortcut for --fix-broken |
| 05:35.10 | DasEi | Is there a reason that deb http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian-multimedia/ stable main is down ? my update hangs on that source |
| 05:35.40 | Lady_Aleena | abatoo, thank you for the information. |
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| 05:36.08 | Lady_Aleena | There is a 'man' for apt-get isn't there? |
| 05:36.58 | prompt32 | isnt flush-plugin buggy, too ? |
| 05:37.28 | abatoo | Lady_Aleena: no problem, and yes :D |
| 05:37.43 | themill | DasEi: that repo changed its URLs a year or more ago. (perhaps you should apt-get update more often?) |
| 05:38.22 | Lady_Aleena | prompt32, in my case probably not. I was having video problems using Windows XP. I have old cards and they may not be able to keep up with currently technologies. |
| 05:38.26 | themill | DasEi: also, you might like to reconsider using that repo at all. It last little offer these days other than poor quality packages. (and you shouldn't use stable in your sources.list either) |
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| 05:38.43 | DasEi | themill: I just found the change; err.. but it used to work all the time.. updated almost daily, strange fruit |
| 05:39.04 | prompt32 | https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ |
| 05:39.38 | DasEi | themill: it's like my sources.list changed |
| 05:39.50 | themill | DasEi: well, you've been updating against a 3rd party mirror that hasn't updated for 18 months. If that's what you mean by "work all the time" |
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| 05:41.27 | DasEi | themill: thanks for the info, I'm a bit away from linux this times, but then that was I did -- so '#' that line, see if I miss anything is your suggestion |
| 05:41.42 | themill | yeah |
| 05:42.05 | DasEi | will do, thanks... and back to the kitchen :) |
| 05:42.25 | Lady_Aleena | OH! What do I have to do so when I type a perl script's name at the command prompt, it runs without me having to type 'perl scriptname.pl'? |
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| 05:43.38 | zz_ | Lady_Aleena: you want to be able to run it from anywhere or just in the directory it's in? |
| 05:43.58 | Lady_Aleena | zz_, the directory it is in is fine. |
| 05:44.28 | Lady_Aleena | I have a lot of index.pl files, so I don't want them getting confused with each other. |
| 05:44.54 | zz_ | Lady_Aleena: then you can do 'chmod +x scriptname.ppl' and run it by typing './script name. ppl' I'm pretty sure |
| 05:45.08 | zz_ | .pl* autocorrect |
| 05:45.22 | Lady_Aleena | zz_, I figured as much. |
| 05:46.01 | Lady_Aleena | So, 'chmod -R +x *.pl' in the directory? |
| 05:46.47 | zz_ | yeah, i do full path to the script to be safe, not sure if it really matters though |
| 05:46.48 | Lady_Aleena | has over 150 little .pl files. |
| 05:46.56 | zz_ | damn |
| 05:47.13 | Lady_Aleena | zz_, it's my hobby. |
| 05:47.43 | zz_ | what are the all for? just for playing with/learning perl or a bigger project |
| 05:47.52 | Lady_Aleena | zz_, my website. |
| 05:48.03 | zz_ | ah I see |
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| 05:48.17 | Lady_Aleena | zz_, every 'page' is a script. |
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| 05:48.55 | Lady_Aleena | When something goes buggy, I run the script in a terminal too see what went wrong. |
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| 05:50.16 | Lady_Aleena | <whine>I'm going to have to do that for every new .pl I write, won't I?</whine> |
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| 05:53.58 | nonconvergent | I loaded my laptop to my girlfriend. I feel so lost without it. We'll see how she likes XFCE I guess. Had to take it off xmonad. |
| 05:54.09 | nonconvergent | s/loaded/loaned/g |
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| 05:54.24 | nonconvergent | s/g// |
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| 05:54.43 | nonconvergent | Huh, I've never tried chaining sed. |
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| 06:03.18 | rryoumaa | i got a bunch of input/output errors while doing rsync to usb hard drive. http://sprunge.us/VjNJ is the log output. what does it mean? here is smartctl -a output: http://sprunge.us/gjiY |
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| 06:05.29 | rryoumaa | should i return the drive? it is brand new |
| 06:05.44 | rryoumaa | (maybe i should ask ##hardware?) |
| 06:06.12 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, I just tried 'chmod -R +x *.pl' then typed the bare name of a .pl file in at the command line, and it did not run. |
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| 06:06.37 | rhizome | what's a good way to troubleshoot constant disk access? solid red light |
| 06:06.52 | rryoumaa | Lady_Aleena: the globbing will not be recursive |
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| 06:07.22 | abatoo | Lady_Aleena: find . -iname '*.pl' -exec chmod +x {} \; |
| 06:07.26 | Lady_Aleena | rryoumaa, I have to do it file by file. *gulps* |
| 06:07.28 | rryoumaa | Lady_Aleena: and you need it to be in your PATH |
| 06:07.40 | rryoumaa | Lady_Aleena: nah, use abatoo's technique |
| 06:07.50 | Lady_Aleena | Thank GUH! |
| 06:07.51 | rryoumaa | or even do + instead of ; |
| 06:08.31 | Lady_Aleena | rryoumaa, end the command with a + instead of a ;? |
| 06:08.38 | rryoumaa | Lady_Aleena: yeah, slightly faster |
| 06:09.35 | Lady_Aleena | rryoumaa, what would I search for to set the PATH permanently? |
| 06:10.30 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: also keep in mind that if the "bare name" is in your present working directory, you need to put ./ in front: ./myscript.pl |
| 06:10.31 | Lady_Aleena | can't tie her shoes yet in debian. |
| 06:10.36 | rryoumaa | it's an environment variable. you want it in your dot files for your shell, most likely. |
| 06:10.50 | Vasistha | rhizome: dunno, but ... perhaps lsof may be useful? |
| 06:11.01 | Lady_Aleena | So I still can't just type in filename.pl to run my scripts? |
| 06:11.13 | rryoumaa | Lady_Aleena: you can, but you have to specify the pathname |
| 06:11.14 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: no, you always need ./ |
| 06:11.14 | rryoumaa | ./ |
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| 06:11.38 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: ... and that is a good thing. You will eventually get used to it ... it took me a while ... but it is a very good security practice. |
| 06:11.44 | Lady_Aleena | So, no way to set it up so I don't need the ./? |
| 06:11.54 | rryoumaa | Lady_Aleena: yes, you set your path to where you put them |
| 06:12.01 | rryoumaa | do NOT add . to your path |
| 06:12.06 | rryoumaa | that's dangerou |
| 06:12.07 | rryoumaa | s |
| 06:12.10 | rhizome | Vasistha: found it via a pointer to iotop: gvfsd-metadata |
| 06:12.27 | Lady_Aleena | rryoumaa, so, where do I look to add a new PATH? |
| 06:12.31 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: if you have a bunch of scripts in one place, you can add that place to your path. it is not uncommon for people to use ~/bin |
| 06:12.39 | rhizome | apparently it goes a little nuts if disk gets full, which mine did a week or so ago |
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| 06:13.02 | Vasistha | rhizome: oooh yeah, things may have gotten fragmented |
| 06:13.09 | Lady_Aleena | Wait! I have add each sub-directory to the PATH list? |
| 06:13.11 | rryoumaa | Lady_Aleena: man bash |
| 06:13.18 | rryoumaa | Lady_Aleena: yes |
| 06:13.30 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: that is probably not the best approach; there is probably a better way to achieve what you need |
| 06:13.53 | rryoumaa | Vasistha: is right, you can move, symlink, etc. the files to a single place |
| 06:14.02 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: I would probably create a directory that goes in the path, and symlink all of those various executables in that one directory |
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| 06:14.10 | Lady_Aleena | rryoumaa, I create and delete sub directories on a whim sometimes. I create and delete .pl files on a whim sometimes. I need all of this to be automatic. |
| 06:14.14 | Vasistha | yeah, what rryoumaa said |
| 06:14.39 | Lady_Aleena | That's dozens of sub-directories. |
| 06:14.44 | rryoumaa | Lady_Aleena: why? |
| 06:14.53 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: well... on a windows system, it is not as if all of the subdirectories automatically are in your path |
| 06:15.07 | abatoo | you could also use find to create your ~/bin symlinks |
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| 06:15.41 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: when you were using windows, or whatever other system you came from, how did you make it convenient to run your executables? |
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| 06:16.06 | rryoumaa | why do you scatter your programs? |
| 06:16.12 | Lady_Aleena | rryoumaa, 'fantasy' is the main directory, then there is 'fantasy/Collections', 'fantasy/error', 'fantasy/files', 'fantasy/Miscellany', 'fantasy/Opinions', etc. And they each may or may not have sub-directories in them. |
| 06:16.23 | rryoumaa | and each has a program? |
| 06:16.24 | Lady_Aleena | rryoumaa, it is my web site. |
| 06:16.42 | Lady_Aleena | rryoumaa, each 'page' is a script. |
| 06:17.03 | Vasistha | rryoumaa: btw I don't have any experience with SMART tools, but did you try running badblocks on the device? If it's new then you can even do the destructive write-read option |
| 06:17.08 | Lady_Aleena | I have 150+ scripts throughout dozens of directories. |
| 06:17.33 | rryoumaa | Vasistha: maybe i should try that. smartctl -t long never completes :( |
| 06:18.10 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: and how do you run them? Does the web server run them, or are you running them manually? |
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| 06:18.20 | Lady_Aleena | I have 'fantasy/Writing/Fan_fiction/Necessary_Roughness.pl' |
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| 06:18.38 | rryoumaa | if you're going to return a hard drive with luks, what would you do to be safe in wiping it? |
| 06:18.40 | Lady_Aleena | Vasistha, both. |
| 06:19.08 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: so in windows, or wherever you're coming from, how would you run that manually? Can you specify that everything underneath a certain directory is considered to be in the PATH? |
| 06:19.10 | rryoumaa | Lady_Aleena: then don't use the path |
| 06:19.14 | Lady_Aleena | Vasistha, I run them in a browser. If they work, no more is needed. If there is a problem, I run them at the command line. |
| 06:19.15 | rryoumaa | variable* |
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| 06:19.28 | rryoumaa | just run them where they are |
| 06:19.31 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: so... running them in the browser should be the same, I think... |
| 06:20.11 | Lady_Aleena | Vasistha, they are already running in the browser fine. However, when I run them at the command line, I always have to prepend the word 'perl'. Trying to get rid of that. |
| 06:20.55 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: oh! well you can do that by putting #!/usr/bin/perl at the beginning of each script |
| 06:21.02 | abatoo | do your scripts start with.. |
| 06:21.06 | abatoo | yes, that. |
| 06:21.12 | Lady_Aleena | Vasistha, already done, however, I am still having to prepend perl. |
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| 06:21.37 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: did you try prepending ./ |
| 06:21.46 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: and ... is the executable bit set? |
| 06:21.59 | Lady_Aleena | I had it set up in Windows that .pl files ran with just the file name. |
| 06:22.29 | Lady_Aleena | I just did ./index.pl and it ran. |
| 06:22.39 | Vasistha | okay, that's a step in the right direction |
| 06:22.46 | abatoo | file associations would be a part of your wm, but not part of your $SHELL |
| 06:23.10 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: is that acceptable? can you find one where it doesn't work the way you want? |
| 06:23.35 | Lady_Aleena | Allow me to recap where I am? |
| 06:23.57 | Vasistha | I'm not sure how it's going to help but whatever floats your boat |
| 06:24.43 | Lady_Aleena | I have set +x to all of the current .pl files. I can now run the scripts at the command line without having to prepend 'perl', BUT I have to prepend the file name with './'. Standard? |
| 06:25.24 | Lady_Aleena | Recaps help me get my thinking straight. |
| 06:25.51 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: yes! That is a good place to be. you'll get used to prepending ./ and it will become natural |
| 06:26.24 | abatoo | ./ "run it from here because it's not in my $PATH" |
| 06:27.00 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: I totally understand how you feel, because I had the same frustration when I started with linux years ago. The ./ takes a little getting used to it but I have come to appreciate the reason it is needed, and it is actually very fast to type |
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| 06:27.03 | Lady_Aleena | So './' makes it so I don't have to add each and every directory I have into $PATH? |
| 06:27.26 | rryoumaa | correct |
| 06:27.32 | abatoo | ./ would be short hand for example /home/user/path/to/your/perl.pl |
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| 06:27.48 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: well -- assuming you are *in* the directory where the executable is that you want to run -- then yeah, ./ will help you run that one. |
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| 06:28.12 | Lady_Aleena | Vasistha, I always run my scripts from the directories they are in. |
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| 06:28.30 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: ah okay, that wasn't totally clear earlier |
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| 06:29.07 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: but that's good, and ./ should always work for you. |
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| 06:29.31 | Lady_Aleena | rryoumaa, abatoo, Vasistha: Thank you for helping me. I /REALLY/ appreciate it. |
| 06:29.37 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: if it doesn't, then probably the execute bit isn't set, and you need to chmod. Also you will notice that if the execute bit isn't set, the file will not tab-complete |
| 06:29.53 | abatoo | np, and have fun :) |
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| 06:30.13 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: and the other thing you'll notice is that executables are colored green in ls (provided you've got ls aliased to ls --color) |
| 06:30.24 | Lady_Aleena | Is there any way for me to set every new .pl to +x without having to chmod each individually? |
| 06:30.51 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: well one way is, instead of creating new files, copy an old file, and the new one will inherit the old one's modes. |
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| 06:32.07 | Lady_Aleena | Vasistha, all of my files are bold and green. |
| 06:32.24 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: are there any files there that should not be executable? |
| 06:32.38 | Lady_Aleena | I don't know. |
| 06:33.32 | Vasistha | well, they are presently all executable, and that is considered dangerous. If done in the wrong directory as root, one can mess up one's system doing stuff like that!! I've seen people have to reinstall because they messed up critical file permissions. |
| 06:34.14 | Lady_Aleena | All directories are 'drwxrwxr-x' and all files are '-rwxrwxr-x' |
| 06:34.19 | Vasistha | as long as you're within your website directory, it shouldn't harm the system at all, but you might want to unset all those executable bits. Are there any files that are not .pl files that you want to keep as executable? |
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| 06:34.54 | Vasistha | directories should be executable, otherwise you can't go inside them. but other files shouldn't be. And the directories should be shown in blue not green, right? |
| 06:34.57 | Lady_Aleena | I don't know. I am not savvy file permissions yet. |
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| 06:35.12 | Lady_Aleena | Yes, they are bold and blue. |
| 06:35.59 | Vasistha | well it's simple, really. Either you want to be able to execute a simple file (a script, a binary, etc) or you don't want to be able to execute it (a plain text file, a jpg image) |
| 06:36.12 | Lady_Aleena | I don't think the ,doc and .xls files need to be executable. |
| 06:36.37 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: no, they should not be. |
| 06:36.54 | Vasistha | do you know if there are any files OTHER THAN .pl files, which you want to be executable? |
| 06:37.08 | Lady_Aleena | Those are just files I haven't gotten out of Office formats yet. |
| 06:37.29 | Vasistha | I've been using debian for ten years now and I still have some files in MS office formats :P |
| 06:37.43 | Lady_Aleena | .pm, .txt, .css, .html, .shtml, .js, and maybe a few other file types. |
| 06:37.57 | Vasistha | those are all non-executables, right? |
| 06:38.21 | Lady_Aleena | They HAVE to be executable to run in a browser. |
| 06:39.05 | Lady_Aleena | I made my .txt just readable, and I couldn't get them to display in a browser. |
| 06:39.30 | Vasistha | that is very strange, I wonder if there was another file permission in there that was messing it up -- not the executable |
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| 06:40.01 | Lady_Aleena | The only file permission I know these days is 775. |
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| 06:40.26 | abatoo | common for directories |
| 06:40.27 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: debian supports really nice file permission symbols that make more sense for new people than the numbers |
| 06:40.34 | Lady_Aleena | 775 is the only file permission that makes everything work. |
| 06:40.59 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: 664 is good for non-executables, but again, I find the numbers difficult to remember. |
| 06:41.39 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: there are three types of people: the file owner (aka the "user" - symbol u), the group (g) and "others" (o - not to be confused with owner) |
| 06:41.42 | Lady_Aleena | Vasistha, the only reason I know 775 is when I started using .shtml files and need to set the permissions to get them to display in a browser when working at the command line of my web host. |
| 06:42.03 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: and then there are three bits to set: read, write, execute. those symbols are r, w, x. |
| 06:42.34 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: so with debian chmod you can do things like chmod ugo+r to set read permission for everyone, or ugo-x to remove executable bit for everyone |
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| 06:42.52 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: you can even use "a" for all, e.g. chmod a+r,a-x |
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| 06:42.57 | rryoumaa | Vasistha: doing badblocks -b 4096 -n /dev/sdc |
| 06:43.28 | Vasistha | rryoumaa: is there data on the drive that you need to preserve? |
| 06:43.58 | Vasistha | rryoumaa: I thought it was brand new - maybe it wouldn't be bad to just wipe it -- facilitating a faster and easier test with the -w option -- and then put your files on again? |
| 06:44.01 | rryoumaa | Vasistha: no, but it took forever to rsync over to it, and i don't want to repeat that if the drive is ok |
| 06:44.33 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a quick way to get back HOME? |
| 06:44.37 | Vasistha | rryoumaa: oh oh ... yeah ... you already did the big huge rsync. Well the thing is, -n might take an even longer time to run, ... I don't really know, I haven't used it much |
| 06:44.38 | abatoo | cd |
| 06:44.39 | Vasistha | cd |
| 06:44.41 | rryoumaa | Vasistha: destructive is faster? |
| 06:44.42 | Vasistha | with no parameters |
| 06:44.50 | Vasistha | rryoumaa: well yeah, I mean, wouldn't it be? |
| 06:45.06 | rryoumaa | Vasistha: dunno, i thought maybe -n was just read block, write block |
| 06:45.10 | Vasistha | rryoumaa: but ... since you already did the copy ... yeah, may as well use -n and not have to redo |
| 06:46.06 | Vasistha | rryoumaa: no, it has to write different random patterns to each block in order to make sure the block is working properly. So with -n it has to save what is there, do its test, and then restore what was there. So it's going to be a little more time consuming then not doing that preliminary read and then leaving whatever's left on it |
| 06:46.35 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 06:46.48 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: and you can use cd - to go to the previous directory that you just left. If you want more than one level, there is some other stuff like pushd and popd ... I never use it myself |
| 06:47.38 | Lady_Aleena | When looking at the file permissions when I do a 'ls -ahl' which look like '-rwxr-xr-x', the 1st three are user, 2nd three group, 3rd three everyone else? |
| 06:47.48 | Vasistha | yes! |
| 06:48.05 | Vasistha | I usually use -A rather than -a because it doesn't show . and .. |
| 06:49.00 | Lady_Aleena | Vasistha, I'd have to check the alias I wrote. I think I did use A instead of a. |
| 06:49.13 | Vasistha | just run type ls |
| 06:49.20 | Vasistha | that'll show you what it's aliased to |
| 06:49.45 | Lady_Aleena | 'alias lla='ls -Alh --group-directories-first' |
| 06:50.34 | nimtz | any mc users here? is there a way to restart mc using the same folders that were there on the last "session" |
| 06:51.12 | nimtz | (i guess i could screen/tmux it) |
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| 06:53.17 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: at any rate -- I would recommend that you remove the executable bit from a lot of those files; I can help you with the process if you like, and see if we can figure out how to make the shtml ones work in the browser without the executable bit ... up to you if you want to |
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| 06:57.27 | Lady_Aleena | Vasistha, is there a way to list all files recursively in a directory by file type? |
| 06:57.49 | Lady_Aleena | I could write a perl script to do it, but that would take a while. |
| 06:58.55 | Lady_Aleena | just did a quick look at the man for find, and got overwhelmed. |
| 06:58.59 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: um. Do you want to see all the files, or would it be sufficient to just see all the different extensions? Because I have a script right here that does the latter |
| 06:59.32 | Lady_Aleena | File extensions would be good, so I can see what I have. |
| 06:59.33 | Vasistha | yeah, 'find' is a bit of a bear to learn. it is definitely overwhelming at first. You'll get the hang of it eventually |
| 06:59.41 | Vasistha | { find "$@" -regextype posix-extended -type f -regex '.*/[^/]+\.[^/.]+' | while read i; do echo ${i##*.}; done; find "$@" -regextype posix-extended -type f -regex '.*/\.?[^/.]+' | while read i; do echo "{ none }"; done; } | sort | uniq -c | sort -n |
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| 06:59.53 | Vasistha | hope that pastes without errors. Maybe I should make a pastebin of it. |
| 07:00.37 | Vasistha | well, I copied and pasted from what appeared in the chat window, back into my text editor that it came from, and they're exactly the same. In my chat client, anyway. |
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| 07:02.02 | Lady_Aleena | I am looking at the files types to see which ones I want to take the executable bit off of. |
| 07:02.37 | Lady_Aleena | I just want to make sure they will still be readable and writable from whichever program I decide to edit them in. |
| 07:02.47 | Vasistha | http://paste.debian.net/70276/ |
| 07:03.12 | Lady_Aleena | Isn't that just what you gave me? |
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| 07:03.22 | Vasistha | yes, it is the same. |
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| 07:03.43 | Vasistha | did it finish running? dunno how big your directory is, find can take a while |
| 07:04.06 | Lady_Aleena | So, let's say I take the executable bits off all of my .xls files, I can still save them after editing them in Calc right? |
| 07:04.11 | Vasistha | yes |
| 07:04.20 | Vasistha | saving is what the write bit is for |
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| 07:04.54 | Vasistha | for example, if I wanted to strip only the executable bit off of those files, I would use a find statement like this... |
| 07:05.03 | Vasistha | find -name '*.xls' -exec chmod a-x {} + |
| 07:05.06 | Lady_Aleena | So my 41 doc files and my 98 xls files do not need to be executable then. |
| 07:05.16 | Vasistha | no, definitely not |
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| 07:05.29 | Vasistha | I can dissect that find statement if you want |
| 07:05.56 | Lady_Aleena | In the the above find would (xls|doc) work and is it recursive? |
| 07:06.11 | Vasistha | ah, well you need the correct syntax, and it is not a regex |
| 07:06.21 | Lady_Aleena | '*.(xls|doc)' |
| 07:06.30 | Vasistha | not gonna work |
| 07:06.40 | Lady_Aleena | That's why I'm asking. :) |
| 07:07.31 | Lady_Aleena | .rar and .zip don't need to be executable either, right? |
| 07:07.39 | Vasistha | I would probably use -name '*.xls' -o -name '*.doc' .... but if it gets to be more than two, that gets cumbersome. I've never learned find's glob patterns all that well. find does have a -regex option but it is kind of weird (you might have noticed I used it in the find-extensions script I gave you) |
| 07:08.12 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: no, probably not. What I am really wondering is if there is anything other than the .pl files that need the execute bit set |
| 07:08.39 | Lady_Aleena | Vasistha, I need to keep my .txt files executable so they will display in a browser with a mouse click. |
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| 07:08.47 | Vasistha | that doesn't make sense. |
| 07:08.54 | Lady_Aleena | I've tried every other file permission and no others allow it. |
| 07:09.13 | Vasistha | I can view text files in my browser with a mouse click when they are not executable ... which browser? |
| 07:09.18 | Lady_Aleena | I tried 644 and 744. |
| 07:09.20 | digdilem | agree, that doesn't make sense. there's nothing in a text file that tells the os what to load first to deal with it, unlike a script |
| 07:09.39 | Lady_Aleena | http://localhost/filename.txt will not work. |
| 07:09.40 | digdilem | that'll be a problem in your gui, i suspect |
| 07:10.25 | Vasistha | or in the web browser settings perhaps |
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| 07:10.29 | Lady_Aleena | http://fantasy.xecu.net/filename.txt will not work either. |
| 07:10.35 | Lady_Aleena | In any browser. |
| 07:10.47 | digdilem | web server mime types? |
| 07:11.09 | Lady_Aleena | digdilem, I have no control over the mime types at xecu.net |
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| 07:11.23 | digdilem | apache certainy doesn't need +x on text files to display them |
| 07:11.42 | Lady_Aleena | Every file I upload to xecu.net has to be set at 775, or things die. |
| 07:12.00 | Lady_Aleena | brb...need a refill. |
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| 07:12.27 | Vasistha | maybe xecu.net is running something stupid |
| 07:13.18 | digdilem | shrugs |
| 07:13.32 | digdilem | it's probably not the worst problem in the world, although 755 would be better |
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| 07:15.22 | mojzesz | hi all |
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| 07:15.26 | Vasistha | the group might be www-data or whatever |
| 07:15.37 | Vasistha | that group bit might be what's snagging it |
| 07:15.45 | digdilem | ah, yes |
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| 07:15.57 | digdilem | +x being a red herring |
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| 07:16.31 | Vasistha | it seems as if ... I've seen ... web hosts in the past doing idiotic things with execution bits. So ... it wouldn't be terribly surprising to learn of one more. |
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| 07:16.51 | laigualdad | hey i installed debian on an SD card, but i can't get it to boot from the SD card. any ideas of how i can do this? |
| 07:17.16 | Vasistha | laigualdad: is the sd card in your boot sequence? Can you boot something else from sd card? |
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| 07:17.45 | laigualdad | i figured it would classify as "removable media" |
| 07:18.13 | robosleep | laigualdad: what kind of machine/device are you using |
| 07:18.14 | laigualdad | i made the boot priority for removable media higher than hard drive |
| 07:18.39 | Vasistha | laigualdad: and also, *how* did you install debian on the sd card? |
| 07:19.24 | laigualdad | i used a DVD and selected the SD card as the place to install it to |
| 07:19.39 | Vasistha | well that sounds pretty good |
| 07:19.51 | Vasistha | are you sure your computer is capable of booting from the sd slot? |
| 07:19.53 | laigualdad | used the whole disc and encrypted it with lvm |
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| 07:20.00 | laigualdad | "disc" |
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| 07:20.04 | laigualdad | i mean drive |
| 07:20.27 | laigualdad | i guess it may not be |
| 07:20.35 | laigualdad | could i perhaps change the BIOS? |
| 07:20.40 | Lady_Aleena | Sorry it took me so long to get back. I shoveled snow yesterday evening and overdid it, so my muscles are screaming at me when I get up to move. I also had to stop and do a quick chore. |
| 07:20.53 | Dirkson | Hey all. Any chance any of you have a good idea on how to install netflix-desktop or pipelight without also installing the abomination known as pulseaudio. Running debian testing, I think, but I can also grab sid packages. |
| 07:20.53 | Vasistha | laigualdad: it would be good to find out the answer to that. it is probably specific to your hardware. |
| 07:21.14 | Lady_Aleena | digdilem, have you ever heard of something called cpanel? |
| 07:21.23 | Vasistha | !cpanel |
| 07:21.23 | dpkg | cPanel is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 07:21.39 | Lady_Aleena | Vasistha, I don't use, but my web host does. |
| 07:21.42 | Vasistha | it's not the worst |
| 07:21.59 | laigualdad | do you know what kind of hardware/specs in a computer i should look for to be able to boot from an SD card (what's the distinction)? |
| 07:22.03 | Vasistha | !webmin |
| 07:22.03 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 07:22.04 | Lady_Aleena | s/use/use it/; |
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| 07:22.18 | laigualdad | is it just a problem with old computers or something? |
| 07:22.41 | Vasistha | laigualdad: I'd do a google search for [my computer model number] boot sd |
| 07:22.42 | laigualdad | or might new computers also lack this feature? |
| 07:22.47 | laigualdad | ok |
| 07:23.19 | laigualdad | ty |
| 07:23.21 | Vasistha | laigualdad: booting from usb has been a criteria for me in buying computers in the past, and there are a lot that do not. So I would not be surprised to find that many do not boot from SD card either. |
| 07:23.36 | laigualdad | ah yes i see |
| 07:23.42 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: try this, find -regextype posix-extended -type f -regex '.*/[^/]+\.(doc|xls)' |
| 07:23.48 | laigualdad | thanks :D |
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| 07:24.56 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: find's regex handling is really confusing. But if you're a perl programmer I think you can at least understand the regex there. Keep in mind it has invisible ^$ anchors at the beginning and end, and I don't know if that is possible to disable |
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| 07:26.35 | Lady_Aleena | Vasistha, lemme try something. -type is the file type correct? |
| 07:26.57 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: -type f means plain file, -type d is directory, -type l is symlink |
| 07:27.39 | Lady_Aleena | How about non-text based files? (images, sound, Office, etc) |
| 07:27.51 | Vasistha | those are all plain files |
| 07:28.03 | Vasistha | they are not symlinks or directories, or block devices, or sockets |
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| 07:28.20 | Lady_Aleena | In Perl when looking for a file type, there are -t and -T files. |
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| 07:28.31 | Vasistha | I have no idea what that means |
| 07:28.40 | Lady_Aleena | -t is any ascii(?) files, -T is binary files. |
| 07:28.42 | Vasistha | is not a perl programmer |
| 07:28.58 | Vasistha | so to find that out, you actually have to look at the contents of the file, right? |
| 07:29.00 | Vasistha | find doesn't do that. |
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| 07:29.47 | Lady_Aleena | Hold please. |
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| 07:30.56 | aborrero | hi there |
| 07:31.01 | Lady_Aleena | -T File is an ASCII text file (heuristic guess). -B File is a "binary" file (opposite of -T). |
| 07:31.34 | Lady_Aleena | So 'find' can't differentiate between ASCII and non ASCII files? |
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| 07:34.04 | Lady_Aleena | reading find's types now. |
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| 07:39.15 | Lady_Aleena | ponders. |
| 07:40.01 | Lady_Aleena | Hello aborrero. I was reading 'man find'. |
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| 07:44.08 | Lady_Aleena | Vasistha, I think I will leave my permissions the way they are for now until I understand them better. It looks like when I rsynced my files from my backup drive, they were created with the -xs. |
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| 07:44.25 | Vasistha | s? |
| 07:45.07 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: find only looks at file names and types, it does not look at the contents of files. In order to determine a type such as -T and -B as you say, a program must look at the contents of the files. |
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| 07:45.55 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: also if your backup drive has a windows partition, those do not support file permissions properly, and mark everything as executable |
| 07:46.24 | Lady_Aleena | It is NTFS. |
| 07:46.28 | Vasistha | well, fat32 anyway. I'm not sure about ntfs, never used one for my own computing |
| 07:48.01 | Lady_Aleena | So, everything I have in Documents/, Pictures/, Music/, and Videos/ are executable. |
| 07:48.13 | Lady_Aleena | Maybe even Downloads/ too. |
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| 07:57.25 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: it's not advisable, but perhaps in the future you'll decide to change. I'm not gonna push it |
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| 07:58.16 | Lady_Aleena | Vasistha, I am just not sure how file permissions work, so I don't want to make something unexecutable then find something else broke. |
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| 08:00.13 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: check 'man chmod', it's explained in there. Basically you need x permission to enter a directory, or execute a program. So files should only have x permission when they're scripts or binaries. |
| 08:00.20 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: well if your files are hosted on a web server that is doing wacky things like not making text files clickable without the executable bit set, then that is a problem in itself. Other than such wackiness as that, it really should be very straightforward. I've had problems e.g. getting the right permission set by default for new files; or problems with ownership and the web server user having access; but executable should be really simple. |
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| 08:01.16 | Vasistha | petn-randall: she's got a web host that doesn't display plain text files properly in the browser unless the execute bit is set. So whatever that web host is doing is crazy and wrong, but there it is. |
| 08:01.30 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, so every file I have needs to be executable. |
| 08:02.13 | Lady_Aleena | They are scripts or text files which are data from scripts or modules which my scripts need. The binary files are my .doc, .xls, and other files. |
| 08:02.57 | Lady_Aleena | binary to me is any file which will not display in a text editor. |
| 08:03.55 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: Sorry, I didn't have coffee yet. With binaries I mean binary programs. |
| 08:04.38 | Vasistha | Lady_Aleena: well good luck to you! happy hacking |
| 08:04.57 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, you're talking to me without coffee? GUH! |
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| 08:05.37 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: As a rule of thumb, if it's a plain text file and doesn't start with '#!', it should have the x bit. |
| 08:06.33 | Lady_Aleena | So, all my files being '-rwxr-xr-x' is okay then. |
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| 08:09.15 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: I'd say no. Most of your files in your homedir should be '-rw-r-----', except for programs. |
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| 08:10.07 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, that would be a pain in the butt to change. |
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| 08:11.13 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: That would be a single command. And at the moment all your files are world-readable ... |
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| 08:11.55 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, are you telling me my computer isn't safe? |
| 08:11.57 | grep0r | Lady_Aleena, chmod -R |
| 08:12.02 | Vasistha | petn-randall: I think you missed a "not" several messages back |
| 08:12.09 | Lady_Aleena | world-readable??!! |
| 08:12.22 | Vasistha | no, no, -R means do it recursively |
| 08:12.44 | Lady_Aleena | You mean people from anywhere can get into my system? |
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| 08:13.23 | petn-randall | Vasistha: Yes, indeed. I need coffee. |
| 08:13.26 | rryoumaa | no |
| 08:13.28 | grep0r | Lady_Aleena, means if someone can have access somehow at your files can read 'em |
| 08:13.36 | rryoumaa | 01:06 <Lady_Aleena> So, all my files being '-rwxr-xr-x' is okay then. |
| 08:13.54 | Vasistha | some of that is going to depend on the web server configuration |
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| 08:14.13 | grep0r | example if you run a service |
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| 08:14.19 | Lady_Aleena | grep0r, so I don't need to start looking for firewall software? |
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| 08:14.30 | rryoumaa | you do |
| 08:15.00 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: The last three permission bits are 'other', a.k.a. 'world'. It means any running process on your machine can access them. |
| 08:15.33 | Lady_Aleena | Does Debian come with firewall software? |
| 08:15.47 | rryoumaa | yes |
| 08:15.49 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: tons :) |
| 08:16.09 | grep0r | Lady_Aleena, you have to make rules on your firewall (ip tables) |
| 08:16.11 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a command line thing where I can check my firewalls? |
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| 08:16.29 | Kavanagh | yes, it's in the kernel called iptables. |
| 08:16.36 | Lady_Aleena | is now scared out of her mind. |
| 08:16.44 | grep0r | you can install and make it easier for example with an application like apparmor |
| 08:16.57 | Kavanagh | There are lots of programs but they all play about with the iptables |
| 08:17.58 | Lady_Aleena | is searching her computer for iptables now. |
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| 08:18.42 | Kavanagh | There's only for novices, but very good, called watchdog, guardog or something - it has a gui |
| 08:18.46 | grep0r | Lady_Aleena, don't get pissed off as you probably dont run any service at your home. Plus if you have sensitive files use encryption |
| 08:19.07 | Lady_Aleena | grep0r, I'm not pissed, I am scared out of my mind. |
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| 08:19.24 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: my default nobody can log onto your system. It's just bad practice to make files world-readable or world-writeable just because you don't care about it. |
| 08:19.24 | rryoumaa | Lady_Aleena: debian is ok without a firewall, but you still need one |
| 08:19.30 | petn-randall | s/my/by/ |
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| 08:20.37 | Lady_Aleena | is reading https://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls right now. |
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| 08:20.57 | Kavanagh | Lady, if you are new to this. install something like Mint. |
| 08:21.29 | Kavanagh | there are lots of debian based distros to choose from on distrowatch |
| 08:21.31 | grep0r | As rryoumaa said it's ok without firewall but it's a good option to install one, plus your router might have a firewall already :) |
| 08:21.44 | Kavanagh | yep it's called guarddog |
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| 08:22.06 | Kavanagh | stay away from iptables until you know your stuff. |
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| 08:23.36 | petn-randall | Kavanagh: How would Mint solve any of the problems Lady_Aleena mentioned? Other than loosing the ability to get support here? |
| 08:23.37 | Lady_Aleena | grep0r, I have my router's firewall set. |
| 08:24.02 | Kavanagh | then don't worry too much about firewalls on the desktop. |
| 08:24.19 | Kavanagh | linux can be as hard or as easy as you like. |
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| 08:24.58 | Kavanagh | http://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/guarddog |
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| 08:25.29 | Lady_Aleena | Kavanagh, I was dissuaded from Mint and Ubuntu and told to go straight to the source. |
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| 08:25.48 | Kavanagh | Have you played with Linux before? |
| 08:25.50 | rryoumaa | she is a programmer, so she will pick all that stuff up |
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| 08:25.57 | Kavanagh | Ah! |
| 08:26.10 | Kavanagh | thank you rry.. |
| 08:26.23 | rryoumaa | (that is, she programs) |
| 08:26.30 | Kavanagh | OK then, Lady: |
| 08:26.38 | Lady_Aleena | rryoumaa, one can hope I will EVENTUALLY pick this stuff up. |
| 08:27.00 | Leoneof | Lady_Aleena: this one is suitable? http://www.vuurmuur.org/trac/wiki/ScreenShots#Screenshots |
| 08:27.29 | Lady_Aleena | Kavanagh, the only time prior to Thursday when I installed Debian where I played with anything *nix-like was when I worked at the command line of my web host. |
| 08:28.53 | Kavanagh | Download a copy of debian testing (it's the semi rolling release) and install it. The install program(s), one is graphical the other graphic-textual, will provide you with a list of options to install workstations etc. |
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| 08:29.07 | Kavanagh | OK Lady, I understand. |
| 08:29.24 | Lady_Aleena | Leoneof, what am I looking at? |
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| 08:30.13 | Leoneof | Lady_Aleena: you wanted to check iptables :] |
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| 08:31.39 | Lady_Aleena | Leoneof, I was looking for a file named iptables. |
| 08:31.41 | Kavanagh | Don't worry about ip tables until you've mastered the basics. |
| 08:31.51 | Leoneof | oops |
| 08:31.57 | Kavanagh | iptables are a kind of programming language |
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| 08:32.13 | Kavanagh | it's like linear algebra |
| 08:32.52 | Kavanagh | Linux isn't windows; very little operates as the superuser. |
| 08:33.03 | Kavanagh | so youare relatively safe. |
| 08:34.11 | petn-randall | Kavanagh: Why should she install testing at this point? How would that solve any of the problems? |
| 08:34.49 | Kavanagh | the basic thing to understand about linux is that most documentation is obtained via google! with the exception of Arch, Gentoo and increasingly debian's wiki |
| 08:35.03 | petn-randall | Kavanagh: Even *if*, you should upgrade from stable to testing, the testing installer is the *testing* version of the installer, not the installer of testing. |
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| 08:35.46 | petn-randall | Kavanagh: Well, first step is man pages and the shipped documentation at /usr/share/doc/ ... |
| 08:35.47 | Kavanagh | because she's going to be installing it a few times before she gets comfortable with it. |
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| 08:36.08 | Lady_Aleena | The phrase 'world-readable' scared me badly, thinking my computer wasn't secure. |
| 08:36.48 | Kavanagh | linux permissions are somewhat different to windows! |
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| 08:37.16 | petn-randall | Kavanagh: What?! No! Why would you reinstall Debian several times? |
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| 08:37.40 | Kavanagh | because one tends to make mistakes in the early days. |
| 08:37.44 | petn-randall | sighs at the bad advice being given. |
| 08:38.32 | grep0r | stable is for servers tbh, testing for home users |
| 08:38.51 | petn-randall | Kavanagh: So what? You fix it, life goes on. I've never (re)installed after the first time. This is not Windows. |
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| 08:39.35 | petn-randall | grep0r: testing is for people willing to bugfix the upcoming stable release. |
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| 08:40.20 | Kavanagh | Testing becomes the new stable every now and again. |
| 08:40.24 | grep0r | well there arent many bugs at testing it is prefered for home usage |
| 08:40.27 | Lady_Aleena | The only thing I could test is ease of use after installation. |
| 08:40.41 | Lady_Aleena | s/ease of use/ease of use for dummies/; |
| 08:40.45 | Rydekull | Lady_Aleena: regarding linux file permissions. Just learn that You have three "groups" of people that can read a file. The files Owner, the files group, and "everyone else". Keep in mind, "everyone else" means everyone else at your computer. Or, services that you install on your computer that makes it publically accessible to others. |
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| 08:41.14 | Rydekull | Lady_Aleena: Like httpd, nfs or similiar services. That is of course saying that these need to be configured to see that area of your computer |
| 08:41.49 | Lady_Aleena | Rydekull, I've already been given that information sweetie. |
| 08:42.19 | Lady_Aleena | I'm just not sure what permissions I need to get files to work with the various programs I have on my computer. |
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| 08:42.33 | Lady_Aleena | Like will a sound file not play in VLC without the -x in it? |
| 08:42.38 | Rydekull | Lady_Aleena: At any rate, if you chmod something, there is very seldom any use to set a higher permission then 775. I'd even recommend almost never go higher then 755. |
| 08:42.55 | Lady_Aleena | WIll a .xls file not save from Calc without the -x? etc. |
| 08:43.47 | brontosaurusrex | mp3 is not an executable if that's what your asking Lady_Aleena |
| 08:43.56 | Rydekull | Lady_Aleena: It most probably will. it depends on the application handling the file. Read(4), Write(2), Execute(1). (Total of 7 if you combine them) |
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| 08:44.29 | Rydekull | Lady_Aleena: But usually you just need read(4) and write(2) on a file you want to handle. Execute is however important on directories |
| 08:44.58 | Lady_Aleena | brontosaurusrex, when I rsynced from my backup drive to my main drive, all my files were give a lot of -xs. |
| 08:45.15 | grep0r | petn-randall, life circle of a package is experimental (maintainer)->unstable (test to fix common bugs)->testing->(very few and non critical bugs,usage at home)->stable->(servers for service) so "testing" is common for home usage |
| 08:45.23 | Rydekull | Lady_Aleena: In short, a dir, if you want full access 7 (read+write+execute). If you only want someone to be able to 'list/look' in a directory 5 (read+execute) |
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| 08:47.32 | Lady_Aleena | Rydekull, I will use poke and hope with file permissions until I get the right combination. |
| 08:47.57 | Lady_Aleena | I have been doing a lot of poke and hope since Thursday. |
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| 08:48.47 | brontosaurusrex | Lady_Aleena, how is your backup constructed, how is the drive formatted < are the 2 questions I would ask myself |
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| 08:49.01 | Gentoon | Hi |
| 08:49.08 | brontosaurusrex | Lady_Aleena, Then I would venture to read the boring rsync docs again ... |
| 08:49.24 | Rydekull | Just keep in mind, file accesses start at /, if you have your files in /home/myuser/mysecret.txt and your /home/myuser is set to 700, noone will be able to reach mysecret.txt without root access |
| 08:49.28 | Lady_Aleena | brontosaurusrex, NTFS formatted when I had Windows XP on my computer. |
| 08:49.46 | Rydekull | so, keep your system up to date, use a firewall. dont enable unessecary services and your most often set |
| 08:49.56 | Rydekull | hrm |
| 08:50.17 | Rydekull | unecessary* epic fail on that spelling |
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| 08:51.27 | brontosaurusrex | Lady_Aleena, something about ntfs http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1568402 |
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| 08:52.05 | Lady_Aleena | brontosaurusrex, I am not dealing with the backup drive at the moment. |
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| 08:53.20 | Rydekull | err, amending my previous statement since I reread my sentence. noone will be able to reach mysecret.txt without root access, well, or the user that owns the file |
| 08:53.27 | Rydekull | so keep a good password policy aswell :-) |
| 08:53.41 | Rydekull | but that's kinda a given no matter what OS you're running |
| 08:54.32 | Lady_Aleena | Rydekull, I have passwords I regret they are sooo bloody long! I didn't realize I would be typing them in as much as I am. |
| 08:54.35 | Rydekull | Permissions in windows even work in a similiar fashion. It's just that windows have very "open" defaults so people rarely go into that issue. Most linux distributions go with the opposite scale |
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| 08:56.11 | Rydekull | Lady_Aleena: well, I dont know why you have to type them so much etc. But investigate if you can work around it in some way. Say, maybe you can use keys instead? Maybe you can adjust your way of working so you dont have to enter it as much? |
| 08:56.22 | Lady_Aleena | Why didn't anyone tell me I would be typing in my passwords so often? |
| 08:56.25 | Rydekull | and also, keep in mind, regarding passwords: http://xkcd.com/936/ |
| 08:57.06 | Lady_Aleena | Rydekull, I read that a while back. Love xkcd. |
| 08:58.59 | jelly | Rydekull: note that all the updated bruteforcing dictionaries now contain "correct horse battery staple" |
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| 09:00.01 | Zap-W | hi, has anyone noticed how the colors for directories has changed in debian7 ? it's like in redhat |
| 09:00.10 | Zap-W | what was the color in debian lenny? |
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| 09:00.24 | Zap-W | need the profile from lenny |
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| 09:04.09 | Rydekull | jelly: haha, yeah |
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| 09:09.09 | tgs3 | what is to be used instead of: eval `ssh-agent` and ssh-add and ssh-add -l but for gnupg? |
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| 09:09.43 | tgs3 | there is gpg-agent but it seems to be implied in man to not start more then one, can't I? |
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| 09:24.30 | aleray | hi, how can I disable a service in debian squeeze (for instance nginx). SHould I use update-rc.d or insserv? what is the difference? |
| 09:24.41 | KeyboardNotFound | How to add proccess to startup on raspbian, but later to can stop that process ? |
| 09:25.52 | jelly | !tell KeyboardNotFound about init script |
| 09:25.55 | jelly | !tell KeyboardNotFound about raspbian |
| 09:26.02 | KeyboardNotFound | jelly, ty |
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| 09:39.23 | uplink | I installed a new Debian Wheezy with LUKS -> LVM -> XEN -> Debian Wheezy (Dom0) in a VirtualBox (I know that this is stupid - i just want to learn and own no hardware to test). I can create a guest DomU either on the root file system or as LVM. If I start one of the guests I get the error: "-r ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/...... does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 09:39.24 | uplink | ". Could this be caused by the LUKS encryption? Any ideas? |
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| 09:43.24 | Sendoushi | hey guys. i installed debian (the version of 200mb) installed the ati drivers and non free firmware but still haven't 3d acceleration! ideas on how to solve? |
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| 09:50.15 | lazers | wa d |
| 09:50.42 | reavengrey | Sabo is alive... |
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| 09:51.52 | grep0r | Sendoushi, try the open drivers for amd not amd's is suggested |
| 09:52.06 | Sendoushi | open drivers? |
| 09:53.47 | petern_ | Dirkson, what should PA devs stop, btw? |
| 09:53.59 | Sendoushi | grep0r, xserver-xorg-video-ati ? had that already |
| 09:54.02 | grep0r | Sendoushi, xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 09:54.06 | grep0r | yes |
| 09:54.11 | Sendoushi | i already have that installed |
| 09:54.20 | Sendoushi | i think i had it before i installed ati drivers |
| 09:54.50 | grep0r | for 3D libgl1-mesa-dri |
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| 09:55.24 | Sendoushi | grep0r, also installed |
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| 09:55.44 | grep0r | Sendoushi, did you reboot? |
| 09:55.49 | Sendoushi | yes |
| 09:56.01 | Sendoushi | i've been using this without 3d acceleration for a while |
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| 09:56.22 | Sendoushi | i didn't have the second monitor working until i installed the proprietary ones (i think) |
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| 09:58.09 | Sendoushi | my xorg.conf doesn't have the device set with HD6800 or radeon driver... |
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| 09:58.12 | Sendoushi | may that be a problem' |
| 09:58.13 | Sendoushi | ? |
| 09:58.15 | grep0r | I think you have to purge amd's drivers and reboot, for me worked ok without drivers from amd , those two packages |
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| 09:58.32 | Sendoushi | grep0r, do you have dual monitor? |
| 09:59.43 | grep0r | Sendoushi, sorry nope you can try OFTC irc server channel #debian-next if you have problems check topic /topic |
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| 10:00.16 | Sendoushi | oftc? |
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| 10:02.17 | jelly | Sendoushi: irc.debian.org = irc.oftc.net is a different irc network |
| 10:02.41 | grep0r | Sendoushi, yes what jelly said |
| 10:03.14 | Sendoushi | oh ok |
| 10:03.23 | Sendoushi | sorry |
| 10:03.27 | jelly | Sendoushi: which debian release are you using? |
| 10:03.35 | Sendoushi | how can i check that jelly? |
| 10:03.41 | jelly | grep0r: I don't see he mentioned running testing or sid. |
| 10:03.45 | Sendoushi | i have a the recent 200mb ones |
| 10:03.48 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 10:03.48 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 10:04.07 | Sendoushi | jelly 7.2 |
| 10:04.21 | jelly | then this is the right place to ask, not debian-next |
| 10:04.50 | Sendoushi | so... should i uninstall the ati drivers? |
| 10:05.00 | Sendoushi | and just have the xserver-xorg-video-ati ones? |
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| 10:05.21 | jelly | if the free ones work, sure |
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| 10:05.35 | Sendoushi | well i don't know if the free ones work |
| 10:05.58 | Sendoushi | i have the second monitor working but kind of strange alias and no 3d acceleration |
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| 10:07.25 | grep0r | Sendoushi, try without at the begin. It works better on general but i don't have second monitor etc |
| 10:07.57 | Sendoushi | i'm kind of scared of uninstalling and screwing the system |
| 10:08.04 | Sendoushi | since it's my work computer |
| 10:08.33 | jelly | then don't touch it until you have a day or so free to fix stuff |
| 10:08.48 | Sendoushi | i kind of have it today jelly but still... |
| 10:08.51 | jelly | do you need 3d acceleration for work? |
| 10:08.59 | petn-randall | grep0r: testing is usually 2-10 days behind sid, so this is hardly a fit for someone who doesn't know the ropes with permissions yet. |
| 10:09.05 | Sendoushi | well windows are really slow when i move them and i use virtual machine |
| 10:09.24 | Sendoushi | petn-randall, yeah i'm a newbie on the linux |
| 10:10.47 | petn-randall | Sendoushi: I didn't mean you, grep0r and I had a discussion earlier I'm picking up on. |
| 10:11.06 | Sendoushi | oh |
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| 10:11.58 | Sendoushi | so... what do you think i should do? |
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| 10:14.55 | DasEi | I want to run wireshark as normal user, so I can capture/log and watch at the same time. GUI pops up now, but it says : /usr/bin dumpcap can't be run in childprocess /privilegs; how can I get this seperation working ? |
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| 10:20.37 | grep0r | DasEi, are you root? (su/sudo) |
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| 10:25.52 | Iridos | DasEi, what version of debian is that? that's not the error I get... I get "There are no interfaces on which a capture can be done". and... only root is allowed to access the raw network devices, let alone switch them to promiscuous mode |
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| 10:27.28 | Iridos | DasEi, read the docu... /usr/share/doc/wireshark-common/README.Debian |
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| 10:30.02 | Iridos | duh... linux capabilities |
| 10:30.11 | Iridos | sounds like adding the user to the wireshark group should be enough |
| 10:30.16 | Zap-W | from where does dircolors in debian read its database |
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| 10:30.32 | Zap-W | precompiled |
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| 10:34.38 | DasEi | Iridos: I did, but somehow the user-capalities aren't properly set, now exploring setcap |
| 10:35.05 | DasEi | *capabilities ^ ^ |
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| 10:36.32 | Iridos | DasEi, do it the old way and set /usr/bin/dumpcap u+s,o-rx and chgrp wireshark /usr/bin/dumpcap? |
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| 10:37.38 | Iridos | this also looks like there should be a bug report on it |
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| 10:40.01 | DasEi | Iridos: thx for the hint, I'll copy that -- now I'll finish my setcap-lesson, then I need a coffee-many thanks either way - one report ? ;)... |
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| 10:40.21 | DasEi | brb |
| 10:40.41 | Iridos | well, I don't see one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;package=wireshark |
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| 10:41.05 | Iridos | there's only one about privileges and that's from 2008 and seems unrelated |
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| 10:41.55 | Iridos | Das... |
| 10:41.56 | Iridos | ops |
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| 10:42.02 | Zap-W | can anyone running lenny here run dircolors -b for me? I need the color codes for LS_COLORS |
| 10:42.02 | Zap-W | in lenny |
| 10:42.52 | Lady_Aleena | I installed liblingua-en-inflect-perl, however the module it installled is out of date. How do I update the module? |
| 10:43.31 | james41382 | I have upgrades for gimp packages and it sayas that they cannot be authenticaed. I have not seen this before. Is it common? |
| 10:43.42 | james41382 | s/sayas/says/ |
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| 10:45.20 | Iridos | judd, versions liblingua-en-inflect-perl |
| 10:45.21 | judd | Package: liblingua-en-inflect-perl on i386 -- squeeze: 1.892-1; wheezy: 1.894-1; jessie: 1.895-1; sid: 1.895-1 |
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| 10:46.21 | Iridos | dpkg, keyring |
| 10:46.21 | dpkg | A keyring in the context of Debian are the public GPG keys used for signing the packages in the repository. Available in debian-archive-keyring or from http://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html. Also see <apt-key-auto>, <multimedia keyring> and <public key not available>. |
| 10:46.47 | Iridos | dpkg, public key not available |
| 10:46.48 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Packaged keys for Debian repositories are in debian-archive-keyring. The current key is also at http://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
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| 10:47.26 | Lady_Aleena | Iridos, is there a web page somewhere which will interpret that for me? |
| 10:48.34 | Lady_Aleena | Up until last Thursday, I was just using 'cpan' to install modules. Using libmodule-name is new to me still. |
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| 10:49.50 | Lady_Aleena | I still have to figure out how to get the ones which do NOT have a libmodule-name in Apper. |
| 10:49.52 | Iridos | james41382, look what key it is... see if it's a valid one and add it either by installing the package with keys or manually ... |
| 10:50.37 | Iridos | well, there's dh-make-perl to make packages for modules yourself |
| 10:50.42 | Iridos | dpkg, dh-make-perl |
| 10:50.44 | dpkg | i heard dh-make-perl is a packaged script that converts Perl modules snagged from <CPAN> into .deb archives. You get to use CPAN archives, Debian's dependencies stay in one piece, everybody's happy. |
| 10:51.00 | Iridos | I haven't used that, though |
| 10:51.30 | Lady_Aleena | Iridos, can I use that to make a new version of liblingua-en-inflect-perl to get the latest version? |
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| 10:52.02 | Iridos | that or you can backport the one from wheezy/sid |
| 10:52.04 | Iridos | dpkg, ssb |
| 10:52.05 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 10:52.22 | Iridos | errr |
| 10:52.26 | Iridos | jessie/sid |
| 10:52.49 | Iridos | seems I'm 2 years behind in releases, mentally |
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| 10:53.14 | Iridos | jessie/sid have version 1.895-1 |
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| 10:54.06 | Lady_Aleena | was on Windows XP until last Thursday so is still learning how to use Linux. |
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| 10:58.10 | StrangerKev | i want to make a package but the executable needs two files |
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| 11:01.12 | Xat` | I'm using lshell and get logged out with I'm connecting with ssh, not with standard su - |
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| 11:12.00 | Sendoushi | grep0r, gave me a error |
| 11:13.45 | DasEi | Iridos: I oversaw the logout for the new wireshark group (newgrp) , it now works. How will dpkg-bot display your message to me ? |
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| 11:14.34 | Walex | StrangerKev: and the problem is? |
| 11:14.36 | edddddd | Hi, which one is squeeze? I want to add sources into my sources.list http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 11:14.45 | Walex | edddddd: #6 |
| 11:14.52 | DasEi | edddddd: 6 |
| 11:15.17 | StrangerKev | Walex, i make a package with en executable, i put it in /usr/bin, but now the exe needs two files, where should i put them? |
| 11:15.39 | edddddd | yeah, but i dont see any 6 in this dist list |
| 11:15.51 | Walex | StrangerKev: you are using terminology in a way that is unfamiliar with me. |
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| 11:16.11 | Walex | StrangerKev: please explain more in detail what "make a package" means in your terminology |
| 11:16.38 | StrangerKev | i wrote a program and i want to make a .deb package |
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| 11:17.17 | StrangerKev | so the executable will be in /usr/bin but it needs two files in its same folder to work |
| 11:17.47 | Walex | StrangerKev: a '.deb' can contain many files, so what's the problem? |
| 11:17.50 | StrangerKev | i can't put them in /usr/bin |
| 11:17.56 | Walex | StrangerKev: why? |
| 11:18.07 | StrangerKev | is it possible? |
| 11:18.23 | StrangerKev | i thought /usr/bin only contains executables |
| 11:18.27 | Walex | StrangerKev: if you install as 'root' everything is possible. |
| 11:18.36 | Walex | StrangerKev: the question is whether it is sensible. |
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| 11:19.01 | Walex | StrangerKev: and that depends on the type of the files. Perhaps you should read the Linux Filesystem Hierarchy standard for suggestions. |
| 11:19.13 | StrangerKev | i thought put non exe files in /usr/bin was incorrect |
| 11:19.35 | StrangerKev | they're rtf templates |
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| 11:19.50 | StrangerKev | "rich text format" |
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| 11:20.35 | grep0r | Sendoushi, was it at boot? what? |
| 11:20.37 | Sendoushi | i have an error saying rtl8168e-2.fw not found when i reboot / boot and it doesn't boot! it gets stuck. it happened when i changed xorg.conf device driver to "radeon" |
| 11:20.43 | Sendoushi | grep0r, ^ |
| 11:21.16 | StrangerKev | Walex, i thought put rtf files in /usr/share but i don't know if it is correct |
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| 11:22.21 | Walex | StrangerKev: '/usr/share/' or a subdirectory of it named after the package seems fine. |
| 11:22.46 | StrangerKev | yes walex but how the executable will find them? |
| 11:23.01 | petn-randall | Sendoushi: The rtl8168 is firmware for your network card and thus unrelated to your X.org problem. |
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| 11:23.29 | Sendoushi | hmm so ... ok installed the firmware for realtek (people talked about that in the web) |
| 11:23.31 | Sendoushi | i'll try again |
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| 11:27.36 | Sendoushi | ok tried. no more that error |
| 11:27.38 | DasEi | Iridos: How can I read your botmail ? |
| 11:27.48 | Sendoushi | but now it doesn't get me the DE |
| 11:27.58 | Sendoushi | it gives me a _ flashing |
| 11:28.18 | Sendoushi | and i can't write anything do anything. i have to ctrl + alt F6 to undo and shutdown |
| 11:28.47 | petn-randall | Sendoushi: That's your X.org failing. You can switch to a terminal with ctrl+alt+F1 and log in. From there you can revert/fix the change. |
| 11:29.16 | Sendoushi | petn-randall, how can i make it not failing? |
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| 11:29.26 | Sendoushi | i still found on the boot some "not found" |
| 11:30.19 | StrangerKev | walex i think i'm gonna make /usr/share/myprogram with a simlink of the exe, thanks for your time |
| 11:30.21 | petn-randall | Sendoushi: Revert the xorg.conf change, but make a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log to analyze the problem. |
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| 11:30.40 | Sendoushi | reverted |
| 11:30.44 | Sendoushi | but haven't made a copy |
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| 11:31.31 | Sendoushi | i'll try it |
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| 11:32.22 | petn-randall | Sendoushi: 'cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log ~' will put a copy to your home dir. |
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| 11:32.38 | Sendoushi | i'll reboot and do that |
| 11:33.02 | petn-randall | ... would have been better the other way round ... |
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| 11:36.32 | Sendoushi | ok copied now i have to read it... |
| 11:38.52 | Sendoushi | what should i search for? |
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| 11:38.58 | Sendoushi | nothing seemes to have failed |
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| 11:39.08 | Sendoushi | why did it stick to _ flashing and didn't open X? :( |
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| 11:47.10 | k_sze | Hi guys. I'm suddenly starting to get 'sudo: unable to resolve host pi' errors |
| 11:47.10 | petn-randall | Sendoushi: Try to look at Xorg.0.log.old, the logfile gets rewritten every time X gets started. Which is why it would have been better if you had copied it before rebooting. |
| 11:47.22 | k_sze | my /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname files look OK. |
| 11:47.24 | Sendoushi | i'm looking ... |
| 11:47.37 | Sendoushi | and copied |
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| 11:47.49 | Sendoushi | i tried so i could copy it |
| 11:48.04 | k_sze | the `hostname` command also shows my machine's hostname correctly. |
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| 11:51.33 | petn-randall | k_sze: Show us the files and the output of hostname on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 11:52.46 | petn-randall | Sendoushi: You should search for 'EE', the relevant line will have this, this is how errors are marked in that logfile. |
| 11:52.52 | Zap-W | can anyone with lenny paste the output of `dircolors -b` ?? |
| 11:53.06 | Sendoushi | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. ooooohhh |
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| 11:53.21 | petn-randall | Zap-W: lenny is old and not supported anymore. |
| 11:53.33 | Zap-W | I know, but I like its LS_COLORS |
| 11:53.38 | Zap-W | better than 7.1 |
| 11:53.43 | Zap-W | than weezy |
| 11:53.48 | k_sze | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/70343/ |
| 11:53.54 | Zap-W | or even squeeze |
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| 11:54.36 | Sendoushi | ideas on how to solve this "usable configuration "? |
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| 11:54.44 | Sendoushi | i bet it's on xorg.conf but stilll... |
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| 11:56.23 | Iridos | DasEi, I guess ... /msg dpkg botmail read |
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| 11:57.39 | Iridos | DasEi, anyway, I was saying that actually... the package does it for you ... when enabled in dpkg-reconfigure wireshark-common.... which worked for me without anything else (well, adding my user to the wireshark group, which I had to create... but I guess if you do the reconfigure, the group is created) |
| 11:57.44 | petn-randall | k_sze: /etc/hostname should in fact contain a newline. |
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| 11:59.10 | Sendoushi | what can i do in my xorg.conf so that the other options run? |
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| 11:59.42 | petn-randall | Sendoushi: Can you paste your full xorg.conf to http://paste.debian.net? |
| 12:00.00 | petern_ | Zap-W, http://hastebin.com/yubiyunovo.md |
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| 12:00.43 | Sendoushi | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/70345/ i was changing the driver to "radeon" |
| 12:01.00 | Sendoushi | when i change to "radeon" it gives the error. fglrx works but no 3d acceleration |
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| 12:01.25 | DasEi | Iridos: Yes I oversaw the logout for a new group, I've been away from linux for a while, maybe it should be in the wiki -linux for runaways , now trying the bot again.. |
| 12:02.26 | DasEi | Iridos: right, by default WS has no group wireshark |
| 12:02.38 | petn-randall | Sendoushi: I don't own a radeon card, but I think you have to blacklist or uninstall the fglrx driver to use the radeon one. Maybe someone with experience in it can chime in? |
| 12:02.40 | Sendoushi | petn-randall, maybe Xorg -configure would help? |
| 12:04.02 | petn-randall | Sendoushi: Usually X should come up fine without any xorg.conf (it will then autoconfigure). What's the reason you wrote an xorg.conf? |
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| 12:04.17 | Sendoushi | petn-randall, dual monitor i think |
| 12:04.41 | k_sze | petn-randall: ok, I updated /etc/hostname, it now has an end-of-line, and rebooted |
| 12:04.49 | k_sze | still getting the same error message though |
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| 12:06.17 | DasEi | Iridos: and right, so your message could be read (bot); I still haven't all the edges of the channel bot (dpkg) , another lesson to learn here, ubottu was easier to me |
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| 12:10.05 | petn-randall | k_sze: Is this squeeze or wheezy? |
| 12:10.17 | k_sze | wheezy |
| 12:10.24 | k_sze | Raspbian, but wheezy |
| 12:10.40 | Sendoushi | being hard this... |
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| 12:10.53 | Sendoushi | i guess i'll have delete proprietary drivers and the xorg.conf and start over |
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| 12:13.25 | jgcampbell300 | can somone tell me the best desktop/windows manager to use for playing video games like eve online wow SS high graphic games |
| 12:14.21 | Sendoushi | i don't know what to do now :( delete proprietary drivers is a tough call since this is my work computer |
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| 12:15.17 | Sendoushi | ati also launched a beta driver two weeks ago... but ... it's beta |
| 12:15.21 | jgcampbell300 | hmm can anyone see what i am typing ... been haveing some odd issues lately |
| 12:15.33 | Sendoushi | jgcampbell300, yep |
| 12:15.36 | ObrienDave | jgcampbell300, yes, we see you |
| 12:15.48 | jgcampbell300 | ok thank you |
| 12:15.59 | petn-randall | jgcampbell300: It's a bit blurry, can you increase the signal? |
| 12:16.14 | jgcampbell300 | petn-randall, yes let me turn it up |
| 12:16.23 | jgcampbell300 | petn-randall, is that better |
| 12:16.27 | ObrienDave | no worries, it's his clear-type setting ;P |
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| 12:16.36 | jgcampbell300 | lol |
| 12:16.37 | petn-randall | jgcampbell300: Crank it up all to 10 ;) |
| 12:17.07 | jgcampbell300 | so any advice for a gamer trying to get away from MS Hell |
| 12:17.16 | petn-randall | jgcampbell300: Any desktop environment will work for gaming, there's nothing you could do with one, but not with the other. |
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| 12:17.55 | petn-randall | jgcampbell300: Just pick one that you're most confortable with. I'd start off with KDE, Gnome or Xfce. |
| 12:18.03 | jgcampbell300 | petn-randall, oh cool ... so i can use a very low resource desktop to run high end games ... so im assuming its all about drivers |
| 12:18.10 | AimHere | petn-randall, more or less; there are a few occasions when I solved a mouse glitch in some FPS or other by changing my desktop environment |
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| 12:18.45 | jgcampbell300 | cool |
| 12:19.02 | jgcampbell300 | i just build my first xen system .. i think it even works right lol |
| 12:19.46 | petn-randall | AimHere: I'm sure they could have been solved within the respective DE, too. |
| 12:19.49 | jgcampbell300 | is there a diffrence between a desktop and window manager |
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| 12:20.23 | petn-randall | jgcampbell300: a window manager is one component of a desktop environment. |
| 12:20.38 | AimHere | petn-randall, Probably needed compiling. I think it was likely a very minor bug in the Window manager |
| 12:21.03 | AimHere | So debugging and compiling. Not fun! |
| 12:21.05 | nkuttler | jgcampbell300: i prefer to only use a window manager, i think desktop environments are bloated |
| 12:21.26 | AimHere | Bash + openbox is all the desktop environment I need |
| 12:21.38 | bugoff | 8 |
| 12:21.51 | jgcampbell300 | petn-randall, i see ... so if im building an image that the only thing it will do is basicly start a video game ... can i use a window manager insted of desktop to save resources |
| 12:22.11 | AimHere | jgcampbell300, yes. |
| 12:22.18 | jgcampbell300 | nice ... ty |
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| 12:22.47 | jgcampbell300 | so what is the prefeared window manager for debian |
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| 12:23.55 | AimHere | That's the sort of question that would start holy wars, if it wasn't for the fact that there are hundreds of the rotten things and nobody's familiar enough with them all even for an ill-informed rant |
| 12:23.59 | Iridos | jgcampbell300, the one that you prefer |
| 12:24.01 | nkuttler | jgcampbell300: i like openbox |
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| 12:24.13 | nkuttler | !tell jgcampbell300 about popcon |
| 12:24.58 | jgcampbell300 | thank you all for your imput ... im gona get back to googleing and find one i like |
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| 12:25.55 | Iridos | but yeah... openbox has somewhat sane defaults and sane... everything. other than some WMs that I need to re-configure from start to end before I find them remotely usable |
| 12:27.12 | ksk | hey guys. is there some WM available in debian that has this win7 "bump a window to the right side of your screen and it gets resized to take the right half of it" - extra points for working in a multi-monitor setup |
| 12:27.13 | nkuttler | the config file is sucky xml though |
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| 12:28.11 | nkuttler | ksk: sounds somewhat like tiling? i hear there are wms that tile and float at the same time |
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| 12:28.44 | Iridos | everytime I see win7, I bump my head against the front side of my screen... and all I get for my trouble is a headache |
| 12:28.51 | petn-randall | ksk: Gnome's does that by default, I'm pretty sure you can configure several others to do that, too. |
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| 12:29.28 | Iridos | oh, indeed, it does... I think I only ever triggered it inadvertedly and as a nuisance |
| 12:29.47 | Iridos | ksk, and it does work in my dual-monitor setup |
| 12:30.00 | Iridos | actually works on the left-hand-side, too |
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| 12:30.48 | ksk | gnome? mhmkay. but i hate gnome :D going to take a look anyways. thanks! |
| 12:31.18 | jgcampbell300 | hmm ... do you use openbox with wine and on 1-10 how good is your experiance with it |
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| 12:31.57 | ksk | jgcampbell300: openbox is a x windows manager? whats wine got to do with it |
| 12:31.58 | ksk | ? |
| 12:32.42 | jgcampbell300 | ksk, dont know ... thats why im asking. I am still getting the hang of linux |
| 12:33.02 | ksk | wine has nothing to do with your windowmanager, so one cannot really anwer that question ;) |
| 12:33.13 | AimHere | jgcampbell300, I switched to openbox from fluxbox after some wine games exhibited weird mouse errors (I switched to fluxbox from WindowMaker for a similar reason). In theory, your window manager shouldn't matter, but there are a very few rare cases where it does |
| 12:33.38 | ksk | ah okay. interesting. |
| 12:33.48 | jgcampbell300 | i see |
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| 12:33.53 | jgcampbell300 | thank you AimHere |
| 12:33.57 | AimHere | With stuff of this nature, just try it and see |
| 12:34.24 | jgcampbell300 | think i will ... openbox it is ... time to go break something |
| 12:35.36 | jgcampbell300 | think i better go eat before beggining again ... thanks again for the info and you guys have a good day |
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| 12:37.00 | sarthe | anyone know of a fix to the cdrom audio problem yet? i.e. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=624121 |
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| 12:49.17 | YokoBR | hey guys, i'm on debian wheezy. I've installed nautilus, but when i try to open a file on a remote file server (on geany or leafpad), it opens a blank file, what can i do? |
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| 12:57.26 | ChrisH | YokoBR: what is geany or leafpad? |
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| 12:59.55 | Myrtti | ChrisH: text editors |
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| 13:01.05 | YokoBR | ChrisH, both. |
| 13:01.25 | ChrisH | I do not see the connection between nautilus, remote file servers (which protocol is used here, NFS, CIFS, ?) and a text editor |
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| 13:03.27 | yeehi | what is a good download manager? |
| 13:03.50 | yeehi | integrates with a web browser |
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| 13:10.50 | ChrisH | YokoBR: Please provide more details... I saw severaltimes that the first try to open a file via Samba did not work due to timing issues but the second try does work. |
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| 13:19.14 | YokoBR | ChrisH, when i just double-click any file to open on a remote server, it opens a blank page on the text editor, or any other software. It's like it's not copying to a "temp" local folder and opening it. |
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| 13:20.11 | ChrisH | YokoBR: does it happen the second time, too? |
| 13:20.29 | extor | I want to add extra ip addresses so would I just copy/paste the eth0 config and make an eth0:0, eth0:1 and change the IPs or do I need to do something else? Because only eth0 comes up when i reboot and I have to do an ifup eth0:0 |
| 13:20.30 | YokoBR | anytime :) |
| 13:21.36 | ChrisH | YokoBR: you still did not tell about the used protocoll against the remote file server |
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| 13:22.11 | ChrisH | extor: check the auto entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:22.22 | extor | auto hotplug |
| 13:22.45 | extor | I see an allow auto-hotplug eth0 so do I add eth0:0...etc after that? |
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| 13:23.35 | extor | wait I see an auto lo but no auto eth0 |
| 13:25.45 | extor | yes auto did it |
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| 13:27.28 | ChrisH | extor: OK... i was meanwhile comparing the settings I use on different systems |
| 13:27.37 | rickweaver | hi guys. is there any way to safely update libc6 to a newer version? |
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| 13:28.53 | YokoBR | ChrisH, i guess it happens with any protocol, since both windows and linux servers are being used |
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| 13:31.42 | ChrisH | YokoBR: does it happen if you use eg. "gvim /some/dir/my/file" or "leafpad /some/dir/my/file" from commandline? |
| 13:32.33 | YokoBR | yep |
| 13:32.38 | YokoBR | ChrisH, yep |
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| 13:34.35 | Zap-W | how do I tell parted to create partition Start? <from the next available free sector> |
| 13:36.06 | ChrisH | YokoBR: I understood you do mount from remote (somehow, still not explained how) and using anything from commandline does not open the expected file. Then I would like to see on paste.debian.net the following commands and their output: lsb_release -a ; df -h ; mount ; ls -l /some/dir/my/file ; cksum /some/dir/my/file |
| 13:36.52 | YokoBR | okay, just a min |
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| 13:38.40 | Iridos | rickweaver, yes... upgrade from one stable version of debian to another stable version of it |
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| 13:39.24 | rickweaver | Iridos, is that all? |
| 13:39.56 | Iridos | well, "safe" is relative... or upgrade from stable to testing |
| 13:40.24 | ChrisH | rickweaver: The more important question is: WHY do you want to upgrade? |
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| 13:41.06 | rickweaver | i would like to install the cisco packet tracer and it needs a newer version |
| 13:41.31 | rickweaver | but i just realized I asked the question at the wrong place :) |
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| 13:42.18 | xaores | where could I find debianizing example for package builded with cmake ? |
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| 13:44.33 | ChrisH | rickweaver: maybe a VM would be a good idea to such a special tool |
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| 13:46.11 | rickweaver | ChrisH well i tried the virtualbox but it has some problem with the kernel module |
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| 13:46.34 | rickweaver | ChrisH, i will have a look what I can do with chroot now |
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| 13:47.45 | sarthe | anyone know of a fix to the cdrom audio problem yet? i.e. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=624121 |
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| 13:54.22 | talin | what package should you get if you want a git client? |
| 13:54.57 | themill | talin: git |
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| 13:55.52 | talin | themill: it has git-gui, git-daemon etc |
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| 13:56.03 | talin | themill: a lot of things i proabably don't need? |
| 13:56.10 | petern_ | sarthe, what's the problem you have? |
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| 13:56.55 | themill | talin: normally people complain that debian packages split things up too much, not the other way around |
| 13:57.13 | talin | themill: :) |
| 13:57.32 | talin | themill: it's great that there's a meta-package, but it'd be great if i could just pick the client |
| 14:00.02 | themill | It's not a metapackage. I'm sure you'll cope with the extra file. |
| 14:00.03 | Iridos | talin, what meta-package are you talking about |
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| 14:00.31 | sarthe | petern_, see the bug report |
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| 14:01.08 | sarthe | i.e. inserting audio cdroms causes hang/dbus failure |
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| 14:02.59 | Iridos | sarthe, the maintainer already remarked that that bug report doesn't describe the problem enough to answer where the cause is, though |
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| 14:05.12 | sarthe | Iridos, indeed, thus i am here, asking if it HAS been solved. |
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| 14:06.09 | Iridos | by someone using the information that was not contained in the bug report? |
| 14:06.17 | sarthe | frankly, i have a freshly installed lenny disk ready to takeover at a moments notice. This kind of brushing-off of a critical bug is attrocious. |
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| 14:06.41 | sarthe | ...for debian. anyway |
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| 14:06.59 | themill | ummm.... it's not critical. It might be annoying for you, but it's not critical. |
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| 14:07.15 | petern_ | I don't really understand the report. Audio CDs are not mounted. |
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| 14:07.22 | themill | indeed |
| 14:07.28 | sarthe | they can be. |
| 14:07.40 | petern_ | By what? |
| 14:07.41 | themill | they're not audio disks then |
| 14:07.44 | sarthe | ...and this shows why the bug popped up im guessing. |
| 14:07.57 | sarthe | lenny->squeeze introduced it. |
| 14:08.02 | petern_ | Mixed audio and data CDs can be mounted. |
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| 14:08.26 | jelly | has exactly one of those |
| 14:08.29 | EugenA | installed and configured openldap on debian, now i'd like to create another ldap database or another root dse. Can someone give advice how to do it? |
| 14:08.46 | petern_ | sarthe, fresh install or upgrade? |
| 14:08.51 | sarthe | me too, and it still hangs the system, because it has an audio section on it |
| 14:09.08 | petern_ | And the last comment about fstab, anything relevant there? |
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| 14:10.12 | sarthe | petern_, of what? ive done upgrade to squeeze some years ago when i first noticed it. in the last few weeks it annoyed me so much i did a fresh bog standard upgrade on a space disk to test. |
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| 14:10.21 | sarthe | spare |
| 14:10.31 | sarthe | its related to udev |
| 14:10.43 | themill | sarthe: btw the bug as written is utterly unfixable because there isn't enough information. If you can provide more information to the bts then it might get fixed. |
| 14:10.47 | sarthe | which is why that arsehole closed it in the report. |
| 14:11.03 | sarthe | what information do you need?? |
| 14:11.28 | petern_ | Of the OS. |
| 14:11.30 | themill | any information beyond "it didn't work boohoo" |
| 14:11.52 | sarthe | lenny -> squeeze upgrade introduces this bug. i dont know what more you want? |
| 14:11.53 | petern_ | Yup, mixed audio and data CDs mount fine for me. |
| 14:12.08 | sarthe | ah, also its related to scsi systems. |
| 14:12.17 | themill | sarthe: so somewhere in 25000 packages, there's a bug. That narrowed it down. |
| 14:12.19 | sarthe | real scsi, not that fake crap |
| 14:12.19 | petern_ | It obviously didn't introduce it for everyone. |
| 14:12.32 | sarthe | and thats why, most were using IDE |
| 14:12.33 | themill | sarthe: also, the arsehole you refer to is a volunteer who is donating his time. It would be helpful if you remembered that. |
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| 14:12.58 | petern_ | So about your /etc/fstab... |
| 14:13.35 | sarthe | themill, it would be helpful if you remembered you are working to improve the system more. |
| 14:13.47 | sarthe | regardless of your motivation |
| 14:13.54 | themill | sarthe: and that can only happen if details are actually provided |
| 14:13.59 | petn-randall | sarthe: Just saying, this attitude won't get you very far here. |
| 14:14.07 | themill | or anywhere in life |
| 14:14.20 | talin | if i install a meta-package, such as xfce4. do i have to remove the packages one by one? |
| 14:14.21 | sarthe | petern_, ive removed any mention of /dev/sr0 and also had it in. made little difference |
| 14:15.09 | sarthe | its either udev or udisks-daemon that causes it, i think |
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| 14:15.45 | petern_ | So any particular CDs that cause it? |
| 14:15.56 | sarthe | the lenny->squeeze test upgrade broke exactly after i did apt-get install udev in the pre-upgrade session. but that might have also included udisks. i didnt notice |
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| 14:16.09 | sarthe | audio ones... cdrom xa? i think |
| 14:16.23 | themill | and is it fixed in wheezy? |
| 14:16.26 | petern_ | By "audio ones" do you mean ALL audio CDs, without fail? |
| 14:16.57 | sarthe | themill, no, apparently, look at the bug report. it refers to 'sid' at the time which i assume is wheezy |
| 14:17.17 | petern_ | No, Wheezy is the current stable. |
| 14:17.23 | sarthe | petern_, all the ones ive tried, including mixed mode ones. |
| 14:17.25 | petern_ | Sid is Sid. |
| 14:17.25 | themill | sarthe: the bug report doesn't have any information in it at all. I wouldn't go by anything in that |
| 14:17.54 | sarthe | at the time of the report, sid would have been what is now wheezy. sid is a name for the upcoming release. |
| 14:18.26 | petern_ | Wrong, but I won't argue. |
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| 14:18.48 | sarthe | the point is, i havent tested wheezy, but that guy has. |
| 14:18.59 | sarthe | and so, no its not fixed. |
| 14:19.06 | Iridos | anyway, he said he tried different versions of dbus and as apparently the bug is not related to dbus, it doesn't matter what versions of that he tried |
| 14:19.32 | sarthe | sarthe> its either udev or udisks-daemon that causes it, i think |
| 14:19.36 | Iridos | sarthe, so you haven't tested it on the wheezy, nor on the current testing and neither has he |
| 14:19.50 | petn-randall | sarthe: sid never gets released, btw. |
| 14:19.51 | sarthe | \o/ |
| 14:19.55 | themill | no, the reporter has not tested wheezy |
| 14:19.57 | sarthe | i know |
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| 14:21.04 | aicasn | hey all - i have a new debian7 install here that is going to a black screen on bootup. i have added "text nomodeset" as kernel params and also tried recovery mode, but it still goes to a black screen every time. this was a text-only install (no Xorg). any ideas? thanks |
| 14:21.21 | talin | ah, you can apt-egt autoremove to get rid of stuff that meta-packages install |
| 14:21.51 | DasEi | yeehi: I like down them all for mozillas browsers |
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| 14:22.01 | petn-randall | talin: Not exactly, you can remove packages that no other packages depend on with that. |
| 14:22.04 | sarthe | alright then: who has a proper scsi system? try to insert a audio cdrom on wheezy? |
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| 14:22.13 | sarthe | yeah. didnt think so. |
| 14:22.29 | talin | petn-randall: well, i installed xfce4 which installed a truckload of other stuff, and now i want to remove all of it |
| 14:22.38 | petn-randall | sarthe: Didn't think so what? |
| 14:22.51 | sarthe | no one has scsi today. |
| 14:22.56 | DasEi | yeehi: sry, I just realized that my window was scrolled up, sry for pinging your nick |
| 14:22.58 | Iridos | sarthe, time to go away from the silly automount complexity from a DE and mount it yourself... there might be useful error messages on the console and/or on dmesg. nobody cares about squeeze, as even support for security updates will end in forseeable time, so you should see what happens with wheezy or testing |
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| 14:23.28 | petn-randall | talin: You can take your favourite package manager and remove all the package you don't need. |
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| 14:23.43 | sarthe | Iridos, i am stuck at squeeze at best, thanks due to nvidia graphics |
| 14:24.03 | sarthe | more importantly, this bug will continue to exist until... forever? |
| 14:24.17 | themill | if no-one works on it, then yes |
| 14:24.36 | themill | unless it gets accidentally fixed by someone doing something else |
| 14:24.57 | sarthe | oh, i wish for the old days when bugs were taken seriously |
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| 14:25.21 | themill | sarthe: umm... please read over that report and explain how anyone could take it seriously |
| 14:25.37 | themill | sarthe: then please unarchive it and add in enough information to be able to debug it |
| 14:25.55 | themill | sarthe: then, please work with the maintainer to debug and fix it |
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| 14:26.08 | themill | having done so, you will have taken the bug seriously |
| 14:26.18 | sarthe | who is the maintainer, actually? id like to speak to him |
| 14:26.29 | DasEi | themill: ^ ^ |
| 14:26.33 | themill | sarthe: do so via the bts |
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| 14:26.40 | sarthe | themill runs udev? |
| 14:26.46 | sarthe | or udisks? |
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| 14:27.43 | themill | no, I'm just trying to give their maintainers a fighting chance of being able to solve a bug. Zero-content bugs like that don't help and ranting away on #debian doesn't help either. If you want it fixed, you need to do something positive to contribute to fixing it. |
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| 14:28.39 | sarthe | yes, and ive already given you tonnes more info. but you ignore it. |
| 14:28.39 | themill | sarthe: I am not the bug tracker |
| 14:28.40 | sarthe | again, id like to speak to the maintainer. |
| 14:28.49 | themill | do so via the bug tracker |
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| 14:29.19 | sarthe | actually, at this point and given the hopeless response, ill probably just fix it myself and never tell anyone |
| 14:29.23 | jelly | that's indeed the correct place to talk to a maintainer about a bug |
| 14:29.36 | themill | sarthe: congratulations |
| 14:29.51 | jelly | sarthe: the set of people in this channel is very different from the set of debian developers and maintainers |
| 14:30.29 | themill | irc is crap for bug reports. The bug tracking system exists for a reason. |
| 14:30.33 | sarthe | i noticed... and i really only came here because google searches on this bug werent working for me. i thought i was missing something. |
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| 14:30.53 | DasEi | sarthe: befor you two end in a dogfight, get all info you can collected and filed, go to the bug tracking system, and find the maintainer... if he isn't toobusy already he might give more hints for you to work |
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| 14:31.24 | sarthe | until i even know what package it involves, thats kind of futile. |
| 14:31.26 | themill | you'd get exactly the same response from any group of developers -- the existing bug report is sufficiently vague so as to be useless, please add information to it. |
| 14:31.51 | sarthe | as demonstrated by that original bug |
| 14:32.02 | themill | and no-one can answer that question until additional information appears. Crystal balls are rare these days. |
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| 14:32.54 | Iridos | themill, tsk, tsk... only because they've been replaced by acrylic ones: http://www.delviesplastics.com/acrylic_balls.htm |
| 14:33.02 | sarthe | like what? |
| 14:33.46 | sarthe | i also came here to provide that information, but i dont know what it is. im running the system right now, ready to crash it for your testing enjoyment. |
| 14:34.12 | petern_ | Do you have a /etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules file? |
| 14:34.13 | Iridos | I already gave you a point to start from |
| 14:34.14 | themill | sarthe: you say that this is related to scsi disks and that it is related to a udev upgrade. That's infinitely more information than is in the bts at present |
| 14:34.35 | Iridos | sarthe, I already gave you a point to start from |
| 14:34.52 | sarthe | petern_, its 70-per here, and yes ive deleted it, and let it redo it |
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| 14:35.43 | petern_ | So the correct answer is no, you don't have that file. |
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| 14:36.47 | sarthe | im up to `udisks --monitor` and `udisks --inhibit-polling /dev/sr0` and `/etc/init.d/udev stop` each of which do strange things. |
| 14:37.33 | dskfl | anyone using openbox? i have this problem where i'm trying to add a new menu item to a binary i have installed in /opt and it's saying that it can't find it. But i have exported the path in .bashrc and i can run the executable from the terminal from what ever path since it's exported |
| 14:37.45 | aicasn | i have a new debian7 install here that is going to a black screen on bootup. i have added "text nomodeset" as kernel params and also tried recovery mode, but it still goes to a black screen every time. this was a text-only install (no Xorg). any ideas? thanks |
| 14:38.11 | petn-randall | sarthe: If you have a testing system there, upgrade lenny → squeeze → wheezy, and test there. And try to narrow down the bug as far as possible. |
| 14:38.39 | talin | since there is no xorg.conf by default anymore, where do you configure things such as screen resolution? |
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| 14:39.07 | sarthe | i cant do wheezy |
| 14:39.15 | sarthe | old graphics card |
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| 14:39.41 | petern_ | udevadm info --query=all --name=/dev/cdrom |
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| 14:39.53 | petern_ | try that and pastebin it |
| 14:39.58 | themill | it would be useful to know if this is already fixed in wheezy before anyone spends any additional time on this though |
| 14:39.59 | dskfl | nevermind had to put it in /.config/openbox/environment |
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| 14:40.12 | sarthe | http://pastebin.com/mtKVC3ks <- heres my diary if anyone wants to take it seriously |
| 14:40.14 | DasEi | aicasn: no certain idea, can you boot safemode ? |
| 14:40.20 | petern_ | sarthe, how old? |
| 14:40.33 | themill | sarthe: pastebins are about as useful as irc for reporting bugs... |
| 14:40.44 | petn-randall | sarthe: E.g. try if it happens when you mount it by hand, if you have several CD-ROM drives, try if it happens with all of them, etc. |
| 14:40.58 | aicasn | DasEi: you mean recovery mode? |
| 14:41.04 | sarthe | not sure what udevadm will tell you, but looks normal. |
| 14:41.14 | DasEi | aicasn: yes |
| 14:41.36 | sarthe | petn-randall, you misunderstand, simply INSERTING the audio cdrom causes a hang. i cannot do that. |
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| 14:41.45 | aicasn | DasEi: no. recovery (with and without "text nomodeset") goes to the same black screen a few seconds after the kernel loads |
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| 14:42.27 | sarthe | it locks up the entire scsi bus, causes several bus resets, and after about 10-20mins, gives up with the dbus error reported in the original bug report. |
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| 14:42.58 | sarthe | since all my other disks are on the same bus, it means... well. you get the idea i hope! |
| 14:43.13 | petern_ | sarthe, using an ATAPI converter, so it's an IDE drive? |
| 14:43.18 | DasEi | aicasn: my next guess would then be a broken installer-medium, did you try to ssh in ? (btw did you choose ssh at installl time?) |
| 14:43.31 | sarthe | petern_, yes, but thats irrelevant. |
| 14:43.46 | petern_ | Any IDE ports to test with? |
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| 14:44.07 | sarthe | petern_, keep reading, i put it on a IDE channel once, same problem |
| 14:44.21 | petern_ | Okay, and still the SCSI bus locks up when on IDE? |
| 14:44.45 | sarthe | hmm, let ME check what that says... |
| 14:45.01 | sarthe | or just read it yourself? |
| 14:45.12 | talin | x resolution is still set in xorg.conf? |
| 14:45.13 | DasEi | aicasn: for the chance of a broken medium, did you md5sum the downloaded iso ? |
| 14:45.57 | sarthe | petern_, ah, at that point, there was alot of dust built up in the PCI bus. do not take it too seriously, but yes it did. |
| 14:46.12 | petern_ | I think you need a new PC. |
| 14:46.17 | sarthe | if you keep reading, i cleaned it out, and things get alot more sane. |
| 14:46.18 | petern_ | Sounds derelict :p |
| 14:46.34 | sarthe | no, its a brilliant system :P just dirty then. :) |
| 14:46.37 | petern_ | Your notes aren't particularly readable. |
| 14:46.53 | petern_ | I also don't see why you'd slow down your SCSI bus by hanging a CD drive off it when it can run off IDE. |
| 14:47.01 | tgs3 | anyone got damn gpg-agent to work in console? |
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| 14:47.38 | sarthe | petern_, the controller has 2 busses, 1 for fast, one for ultra, the disks are all on the ultra one. |
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| 14:48.08 | sarthe | also, back then, the didnt need that uuid crap because scsi did it automatically via IDs |
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| 14:49.44 | petern_ | LS120... crikey... |
| 14:49.49 | sarthe | hehe |
| 14:50.26 | sarthe | those also would have been brilliant... if anyone made one that worked |
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| 14:50.37 | petern_ | Totally obsoleted by USB flash |
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| 14:51.14 | sarthe | arguably... usb was a mess when 1st introduced... thus all the 'buy for not-windows' advertising |
| 14:51.31 | sarthe | at least that had a proper protocol |
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| 14:52.10 | sarthe | also, they make usb ones |
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| 14:52.27 | sarthe | make/made? |
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| 14:54.58 | petn-randall | aicasn: Try removing 'quiet' from the kernel commandline, too, if it's there. |
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| 14:55.09 | niteye | is it possible to convert an "armel" isntallation to "armhf" architecture without going through the whole reinstallation process? |
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| 14:57.06 | honestly | yes. |
| 14:57.18 | honestly | you can actually run armel and armhf at the same time. |
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| 14:57.51 | honestly | all you need to do is install armel libraries. |
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| 14:58.17 | herol3oy | I have a big problem about my mail and web server, can i ask it here? |
| 14:58.23 | niteye | i would like to get rid of armel completely, i installed armel because squeeze did not have "armhf", now with wheezy has the armhf support in stable, i want to get rid of armel and use only armhf :-) |
| 14:59.00 | honestly | then I'd recommend reinstalling. |
| 14:59.14 | niteye | nips, i was fearing that heh |
| 14:59.38 | niteye | oh well, then ill upgrade and change architecture in one go :) |
| 14:59.52 | themill | niteye: if your install is that old, are you sure your hardware supports armhf? |
| 15:01.51 | talin | hmm, i've been browing the debian reference for a while now, trying to figure out how to change my screen resolution in xorg. it doesn't seem to be in there. any tips? |
| 15:02.02 | aicasn | DasEi: yes, also used the netboot installer so all packages were checksum'd by the installer (right?) |
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| 15:02.06 | aicasn | petn-randall: done. no change |
| 15:02.43 | aicasn | also, machine does respond to CAD for reboot. i'm fairly certain is just a video issue |
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| 15:03.07 | aicasn | is there any way to get it to _not_ change the video mode at all during bootup? |
| 15:03.12 | DasEi | aicasn: usb-installer ? |
| 15:03.14 | aicasn | nomodeset text doesn't seem to do it |
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| 15:03.22 | aicasn | DasEi: netboot image onto a CD |
| 15:03.44 | DasEi | aicasn: then you might have had a bad burn |
| 15:04.05 | DasEi | aicasn: or really exotic hardware |
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| 15:04.22 | aicasn | "extoic" isn't the word i would use to describe it |
| 15:04.30 | aicasn | *exotic |
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| 15:05.42 | aicasn | i've had LFS + Xorg VESA running on this thing before. i think i also had a VESA mode for console as well. it's possible, but i'm fairly new to debian and i'm not sure what debian is doing differently |
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| 15:09.03 | petn-randall | niteye: It should be technically possible with multiarch, but I think not officially supported. |
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| 15:10.55 | DasEi | aicasn: my best guess is then a bad burn, apart from a vm my host is still running D6, so I can't say much about the changed installer, maybe re-try with an usb-stick ?? you can just dd/sync the iso over to usb |
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| 15:13.54 | mouz\lex | hey guys, due to the xmonad-contrib not being avaliable in sid, could I simply downgrade to jessie by editing my sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 15:13.57 | aicasn | DasEi: i can certainly try that |
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| 15:14.18 | aicasn | also, i went with the GTK netboot installer. is there any reason i should go back and get the text-based one? |
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| 15:14.51 | talin | any idea where the xorg resolution is configured? |
| 15:14.56 | petn-randall | mouz\lex: No, downgrading is not supported, and in fact might break a few things. |
| 15:15.16 | mouz\lex | petn-randall: bah. I really need the contrib :( |
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| 15:15.32 | petn-randall | talin: It detects the highest possible resolution and sets that. When the DE is started it might change it, too. |
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| 15:15.51 | petn-randall | talin: xorg.conf isn't normally needed nowadays. |
| 15:15.56 | talin | petn-randall: i'm using blackbox, and i get a pretty low resolution for some reason |
| 15:16.06 | DasEi | aicasn: no, maybe do an expert install and make sure you have ssh on bord, there you have finer grained options |
| 15:16.15 | petn-randall | talin: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors/warnings. |
| 15:16.55 | DasEi | aicasn: but after grub you see the boot-msg 's ? |
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| 15:19.25 | winterss | anyone drinking? |
| 15:19.33 | mouz\lex | winterss: coffee, yes |
| 15:19.34 | mouz\lex | :D |
| 15:19.41 | winterss | nice |
| 15:19.44 | fahi | winterss: soon |
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| 15:19.57 | talin | petn-randall: ah, okay. thanks. i see a lot of references to VESA and stuff there, but no errors so far.. |
| 15:20.00 | winterss | ah goo fahi |
| 15:20.39 | socomm | drinking? |
| 15:20.44 | socomm | medicine |
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| 15:20.54 | aicasn | DasEi: yes i see a few. maybe a screen-worth of messages before video goes black |
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| 15:22.12 | DasEi | aicasn: possible bad burn then try again by usb, it's a walk in the park and much faster, too ... and a new headless install.. the longer we talk here .. ;) |
| 15:22.23 | aicasn | yes already on it |
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| 15:22.25 | aicasn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.30 | DasEi | :) |
| 15:22.52 | mouz\lex | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libghc-xmonad-contrib-dev I found this, but I don't get how to install it? Could someone offer me a hand please |
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| 15:24.29 | jhutchins | !tell mouz\lex about ssb |
| 15:24.46 | jhutchins | mouz\lex: You should not install packages from releses other than the one you're running now. |
| 15:25.09 | mouz\lex | jhutchins: so I'm just stuck without that package? |
| 15:25.27 | mouz\lex | I realise the risks of running sid, but I thought there would be a way to -f it |
| 15:26.19 | jhutchins | mouz\lex: See the private message from dmesg on how to proceed. |
| 15:26.21 | aicasn | can you not grab source and build it yourself? |
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| 15:26.47 | jhutchins | aicasn: The breaks package management. |
| 15:27.19 | mouz\lex | jhutchins: you mean when it comes to update the package etc? I don't mind not updating it as long as it works. |
| 15:27.22 | aicasn | jhutchins: i'm not familiar with that package. does it have a lot of dependencies? |
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| 15:28.12 | mouz\lex | I might just have to go back to using stable. |
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| 15:31.14 | ErgsVer | I threw together a system that could back up my office's NAS so I wouldn't worry so much about cryptolocker. I have 7.2 installed on a (cheap) thumb drive plugged into an internal header and I came in this morning to a system mounted read-only. |
| 15:32.33 | ErgsVer | Do I need to boot into the recovery mode and fsck / ? |
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| 15:35.20 | wols_ | ErgsVer: check the logs why it is ro now? |
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| 15:35.33 | wols_ | and if it's ro, you can already fsck it just now. but reboot when the fsck is done |
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| 15:35.55 | wols_ | since it went ro, I'd do a full read of all sectors too, just to make sure none of them has gone bad |
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| 15:36.55 | ErgsVer | wols_: I don't see anything in syslog. Is there another log I should be looking at? |
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| 15:38.49 | petn-randall | talin: Do you have a current nvidia/amd graphics card? They're know to be problematic sometimes. |
| 15:39.24 | DasEi | ErgsVer: if it's an usb, simply fsk from another host or use a live cd.. err cryptolocker<>NAS ?? |
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| 15:40.41 | ErgsVer | What the heck? The last entry in syslog is from Dec 5. |
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| 15:41.21 | ksk | ErgsVer: start syslodg? ;) |
| 15:41.23 | petn-randall | ErgsVer: No news is good news I guess? :-S |
| 15:41.41 | jhutchins | ErgsVer: That's pretty much expected. If / went ro, /var/log is probably ro as well. |
| 15:42.01 | jhutchins | ErgsVer: dmesg might show you somethiing. |
| 15:42.04 | user___ | is there a special reason aarddict is not in the repo anymore or is just nobody willing to maintain it? |
| 15:43.43 | ksk | user___: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533328 |
| 15:43.49 | ksk | seems to me it has never been in debian. |
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| 15:45.00 | ErgsVer | jhutchins: dmesg found htree_dirblock_to_tree:587: inode #143352: block #534161: comm kdm_greet: bad entry in directory: inode out of bounds, etc, etc |
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| 15:45.50 | jhutchins | ErgsVer: WEll, since it's mouted ro, you can go ahead and fsck it. |
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| 15:46.07 | ErgsVer | I thought it had to be unmounted...? |
| 15:46.16 | jhutchins | ErgsVer: Either that or you can do a shutdown -Fr now to check on reboot |
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| 15:46.28 | jhutchins | ErgsVer: As long as it's not writable it's ok to fsck. |
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| 15:47.02 | xyzwhatever | help why cant I add debian-ports?? |
| 15:47.08 | julius_ | hi |
| 15:47.19 | ErgsVer | I'll try the shutdown -Fr |
| 15:47.25 | madmac2501 | How can I know why a debian package is in broken state? |
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| 15:48.18 | xyzwhatever | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.48 | julius_ | any HFSC cracks here? looking at the realtime curve, if umax=1500, dmax=1 does rate have to be 12000 (rate = 8*1500bytes/1) or is it supposed to always bigger than whats minimal needed to statisfy the delay? |
| 15:48.50 | jhutchins | xyzwhatever: We don't know, they are not debian. |
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| 15:50.01 | ErgsVer | Oh god, fsck died and has to be run manually |
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| 15:50.06 | ErgsVer | there's page after page of errors |
| 15:50.35 | ErgsVer | will my lvm be salvageable if i have to reinstall the OS? |
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| 15:51.07 | jhutchins | xyzwhatever: That's a volunteer-run repository for ported packages that have not passed through the Debian testing and certification procdess yet. |
| 15:51.22 | jhutchins | xyzwhatever: It can be expeted to be a bit rough. |
| 15:51.50 | jhutchins | ErgsVer: Maybe. Is it encrypted? |
| 15:52.27 | xyzwhatever | yeah but jhutchins why does it say wrong sources.list entry or malformed file when I add them?? |
| 15:52.38 | aicasn | DasEi: bad news - seems that there may be a bug in the Mini.iso for deb7 i386. i booted off a USB drive, the USB drive got sda and the internal drive got sdb, i selected to install to sdb (which went fine), but it seems that "/dev/sda" is hard-coded into the grub install script |
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| 15:56.19 | ErgsVer | jhutchins: no, thank goodness. I don't need things to be any more complicated. |
| 15:57.03 | ErgsVer | It just took forever to get a full copy of the NAS and I don't want to have to start it all over. |
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| 16:03.29 | ErgsVer | It's a little early yet but...it looks like I might be ok. Thank you! |
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| 16:08.35 | Trevelyan | Hi I have a boot dependancy problem. I am try to mount a dm-crypt fs via nbd. So the boot order I need is: $network->nbd-client->cryptdisks->checkfs->mountall however $network<-networking<-$local_fs<-mountall what should I do? |
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| 16:09.37 | Trevelyan | I hope thats clear A -> B (B starts after A) and A <- B (B depends on A) |
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| 16:11.18 | Trevelyan | I am thinking to just copy checkfs and mountall to have them run again after cryptdisks |
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| 16:11.50 | Trevelyan | or maybe fsck and mount in rc.local |
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| 16:12.43 | xyzwhatever | how can I get libqt3-mt?? ;( |
| 16:13.30 | Trevelyan | its a shame that $ultimately depends on $local_fs as opposed to just checkroot |
| 16:13.50 | Trevelyan | *againL its a shame that $network ultimately depends on $local_fs as opposed to just checkroot |
| 16:14.30 | Trevelyan | or checkroot-bootclean |
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| 16:17.16 | petn-randall | madmac2501: You can run 'apt-get install -f' and see what it outputs. |
| 16:18.53 | petn-randall | xyzwhatever: use apt-get to install it. But debian-ports aren't an official part of Debian yet. |
| 16:19.46 | Dirkson | petern_: I'm not sure I've thought that one out fully. At the very least development of pulse audio. I got particularly frustrated because I made a mistake with apt-get, accidentally uninstalling a package I use... But the current version of the package has a dependency on pulseaudio, which is blacklisted from my system as less-than-useless software. (Along with dbus and gconf) In short: Bad software + |
| 16:19.49 | Dirkson | Particularly bad experience = Dirkson supplicating the sky, apparently. I emailed the yaml developer too, once, asking him to stop. Curiously, didn't get a reply... |
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| 16:22.07 | talin | petn-randall: yes, i have a somewhat recent radeon card. and now that you mention it, i just checked dmesg | grep -i radeon, and it says: error: radeon kernel modesetting for r600 and newer requires firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 16:22.36 | aicasn | reinstalled from a fresh download of the i386 netboot installer. still getting the black screen on bootup |
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| 16:25.28 | aicasn | also tried with acpi=off and got a kernel panic |
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| 16:25.35 | talin | apt-cache search firmware-linux-nonfree doesn't seem to exist. there is a firmware-linux-free however |
| 16:25.49 | ksk | !tell talin about nonfree |
| 16:26.01 | ksk | talin: you probably need to add nonfree sources to your sources.list |
| 16:26.13 | ksk | see the bots message, it will guid you |
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| 16:28.30 | talin | ksk: thank you |
| 16:28.46 | talin | i support i have to restart after adding these |
| 16:30.02 | petn-randall | talin: After installing the nonfree firmware it's easiest to reboot, yes. |
| 16:30.04 | Trevelyan | should I report a bug against one of the init scrpts, maybe? |
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| 16:30.15 | talin | alright. thanks, i'll brb |
| 16:30.36 | Trevelyan | I don't think it unreasonable to want to run dm-crypt over nbd |
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| 16:31.50 | local | hello. Anyone can explain to me, why /tmp is mounted as a normal filesystem on the disk and not with "tmpfs" (=RAM) ? what does Debian behave like that? |
| 16:32.14 | local | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmpfs#Semantics |
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| 16:32.44 | local | I do not understand why some Linux distributions use /tmp as a normal directory |
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| 16:34.13 | Trevelyan | local: http://mybravenewworld.wordpress.com/2012/09/20/im-joining-the-club-of-people-complaining-about-tmp-on-tmpfs/ |
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| 16:36.17 | Trevelyan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:37.13 | Kavanagh | Can anyone help please? I think debian may be gearing up for the /usr change for systemd but I can't find anywhere that this is discussed. I'm subscribed to debian announce email list etc have clearly missed the right place to watch/lurk! |
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| 16:37.37 | Jan0219 | hi |
| 16:37.46 | Trevelyan | Kavanagh: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/ |
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| 16:38.06 | madmac2501 | How can I know why a debian package is in broken state? |
| 16:38.24 | Jan0219 | im currently using the live version of debian and trying it. When I try to edit the souftware sources of synaptic the check boxes don't remain checked. why ? |
| 16:38.31 | petn-randall | Kavanagh: There was a discussion on the debian-devel mailing list, but the decision now lies with the ctte commitee. |
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| 16:38.38 | local | Trevelyan: But why? If /tmp would be mounted as tmpfs and is growing and going to get full, swap would be used. Please explain to me and sorry if this is a stupid question, I dont have much knowledge on this issue |
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| 16:39.09 | petn-randall | Jan0219: Probably because it's a read-only system? Not sure, I've never used the live system. |
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| 16:39.58 | Jan0219 | petn-randall: E: The value 'wheezy-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 16:40.42 | Trevelyan | local: you're making a lot of assumptions about the sort of systems debian may be installed on and what application it maybe running. google will find you many discussions on the subject and you can always mount /tmp via tmpfs on your system if you want |
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| 16:41.26 | Kavanagh | Thank you petn-randall. I didn't subscribe to that one. I saw the wiki page. |
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| 16:41.57 | local | Trevelyan: Can you tell me what is the default for Wheezy? I have found this article --> http://www.legendiary.at/2012/03/21/debian-wheezy-mounts-tmp-as-tmpfs-by-default/ and though Wheezy would use /tmp as tmpfs, but in my case it isn't. Maybe because I installed Squeeze, and upgraded (dist-upgrade) to Wheezy when Wheezy was released? |
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| 16:42.41 | local | Trevelyan: Oh yes! I just did read it on the mentioned article. That's the reason |
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| 16:43.13 | aicasn | when deb7 boots with "text nomodeset" there is still a line in /var/log/dmesg that says "Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 128x48". any way i can keep it from doing that? my guess is that is what is causing the black screen |
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| 16:44.30 | Jan0219 | how do I use the wheezy-backports with debian live ? |
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| 16:44.58 | local | Trevelyan: I am asking because of that --> I have encrypted a USB drive on my system (no full-encryption on the whole system, but only one directory /myusbdrive). But I had to create and use also an encrypted swap area. I would like to know: should I use /tmp and /var/tmp as tmpfs to be sure that no data can be compromised (because I have not fully encrypted the whole host) ? |
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| 16:45.23 | local | Or should I use /tmp and /var/tmp as normal directories and encrypt them, too (with a loop device) ? |
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| 16:48.41 | sarthe | local, i dont know why youre so obsessed with encryption, but modifying /tmp to be in ram works fine, and speeds it up a smigeon. |
| 16:48.43 | aicasn | also tried fb=false video=vga16:off and still got the black screen |
| 16:48.57 | sandman | What is the best company to register a domain name with? |
| 16:49.35 | local | sarthe: so you think it's enough to left /tmp unencrypted and instead just use tmpfs for it? |
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| 16:49.39 | sarthe | local, they probably did it this way because linux was originally created by a bunch of amateurs, and the caching system evolved to accomodate that. |
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| 16:50.13 | sarthe | local, i have no idea why youd want to encrypt /tmp, so no-answer. |
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| 16:50.30 | sarthe | local, do you work for the military or something? :) |
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| 16:51.41 | sarthe | local, in general, use tmpfs like suns,sgis, everything else did. it cant hurt. |
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| 16:52.47 | Guest42871 | Thank god debian has online man page search. I love you debian. |
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| 16:54.23 | talin | blackbox used to have a file called "menu" in /usr/share/blackbox, or something like that. any idea how that works now? has it been debianized somehow? |
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| 16:55.08 | Guest42871 | lol |
| 16:55.18 | local | sarthe: if my RAM is 512MB (Raspberry Pi) which setting is recommended for /tmp as tmpfs? Is it enough to set the line "RAMTMP=yes" in /etc/default/tmpfs and reboot? Or do I also have to append the line "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nodev,nosuid,size=20%,mode=1777 0 0 |
| 16:55.23 | local | to my /etc/fstab? |
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| 16:55.49 | Guest42871 | wish there wasn't such a thing as debianized. |
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| 16:57.20 | zykotick9 | local: you do understand that putting /tmp as tmpfs is going to use up that 512MB for storage right? this doesn't seem wise to me... |
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| 16:58.06 | local | zykotick9: I think I can restrict it to a particular size? |
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| 16:58.25 | ksk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.27 | testing_ | hello! I had a problem with the intall of woody |
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| 16:58.37 | ksk | use "size=" mountoption |
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| 16:58.54 | ksk | testing_: woody? :> |
| 16:58.56 | local | my goal just is --> to ensure that no data is left on /tmp or it is encrypted so there cannot be a leak (because I only use a partial encryption and not full-encryption of my host) |
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| 16:59.24 | local | ksk: this is what I also have in mind |
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| 17:00.13 | sarthe | local, hah, a pi? hmm, then you probably want actual space for /tmp. i just got one of those things. theyre cool. |
| 17:00.15 | testing_ | The install takes forever for make the lvm encrypted , holds on @erasing data on partition 5 ... its taking two hours for go around 1 of 4 part |
| 17:00.39 | sarthe | local, and ive never heard of the RAMTMP thing, you need the fstab entry, afaik |
| 17:00.46 | ksk | testing_: it has to take ages to initalize encrytion on a big disk (as it gets filled with random data) |
| 17:00.55 | sarthe | local, but with a pi, id recommend against it now... |
| 17:01.15 | testing_ | ngh so bad... was a 500 gb hard disk with sata conection |
| 17:01.36 | ksk | local: cant you configure tmpreaper or something to run on shutdown? this might leave data avail if you just pull the power, but.. |
| 17:01.49 | sarthe | local again, i dont understand your obsession with encryption, so... |
| 17:02.58 | testing_ | there is some form of get all the root encrypted in similar way on less space mmh+_ |
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| 17:04.26 | local | sarthe: listen, I am encrypting my usb drive which is mounted to /myusb. This directory is LUKS encrypted. But anything else on the RPi is unencrypted. This is a LEAK (!) If an application related to my USB drive is writing or reading any data from it (while it is unlocked and in use) it could reveal unencrypted data into /tmp or /var/tmp directory (because application would write in there), or even in swap (when used).This is a security leak which yo |
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| 17:05.24 | sarthe | local, sure, but do you work for the military or something? who cares. /tmp gets cleaned every reboot. |
| 17:05.46 | sarthe | even if its a real disk |
| 17:06.29 | local | sarthe: but if the system is not rebooted, data can remain in /tmp, this *IS* a leak :) |
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| 17:06.45 | sarthe | if that really matters, then ive no suggestion, except to waste the tiny amount of ram you have for /tmp |
| 17:06.53 | Walex | local: if you have such concerns, hire a security consultant that can build a threat model for you. |
| 17:06.55 | jhutchins | local: It's up to you to ensure your applications do not leave unsecure data in unsecure locations. |
| 17:07.30 | local | jhutchins: that is true, but will be difficult to manage |
| 17:07.38 | jhutchins | local: You are not supposed to run secured applications on an unsecured system anyway. |
| 17:07.49 | jhutchins | local: Difficulty is not the issue. |
| 17:07.55 | local | :) |
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| 17:10.51 | Posterdati | grrr |
| 17:10.53 | Posterdati | hi |
| 17:12.08 | Posterdati | please help, I received a lot of scsi reset error from a serial ata unit in a raid, I changed the cable and it seems fixed, but I heard the drive reset several times before I changed the cable, could the unit be damaged? |
| 17:12.27 | Posterdati | How can I test it, besides smartctl |
| 17:12.37 | babilen | Posterdati: What's wrong with smartctl? |
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| 17:12.55 | Posterdati | I used for a short test, and it reported no errors |
| 17:13.04 | babilen | Run a long one ;) |
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| 17:13.20 | babilen | Posterdati: Also take a look at the actual values in the health table |
| 17:13.22 | Posterdati | but the unit saved old logs about disconnection from ata interface |
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| 17:13.34 | petn-randall | Posterdati: You can use smartctl to check for HW errors, and you can use mdadm to check the RAID, assuming it's a mdadm software RAID. |
| 17:13.41 | Posterdati | babilen: they are like the healthy unit |
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| 17:14.07 | Posterdati | petn-randall: I have to recover the problematic unit |
| 17:14.15 | Posterdati | md kicked it off the raid |
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| 17:14.25 | Posterdati | it is now recovering |
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| 17:18.00 | Posterdati | babilen: is it possible for cabling do that? oxidation? |
| 17:18.12 | Posterdati | sata cables are bad |
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| 17:22.17 | madmac2501 | I have a package that it is first half-installed and then not-installed, how can I debut this? |
| 17:22.34 | madmac2501 | debug |
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| 17:24.17 | jhutchins | Lenny did not support ext4? |
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| 17:25.15 | sarthe | Posterdati, even IDE-sorry ATA designers arent that bad. the unit is fine. you probably just need to add it back into the raid |
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| 17:25.26 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins: I think it could with backports, but I'm not sure if ext4 was in the kernel when we released it |
| 17:25.51 | wols_ | too early. 2.6.26 while ext4 was added in 2.6.28 |
| 17:26.09 | ScottE | madmac2501: Give "apt-get -f install" a try, it will try to fix broken packages |
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| 17:26.25 | madmac2501 | ScottE, I am debugging a debian installer |
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| 17:26.31 | jhutchins | Apparently with ext4dev - not exactly what I want to trust my backups to. I may actually have to upgrade.. |
| 17:26.48 | madmac2501 | ScottE, I did that but I don't get info about what could be wrong |
| 17:27.01 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins: probably worth upgrading anyway; lenny has been EOL for a while now |
| 17:27.06 | madmac2501 | ScottE, at the end I want that the installer runs cleanly |
| 17:27.09 | ScottE | madmac2501: Oh, I see... Yes, not sure, add some debug/verbose flags perhaps |
| 17:27.40 | jhutchins | dondelelcaro: First I have to extract my kde3.5 addressbook, which caused the upgrade to kde4 to barf. |
| 17:27.49 | sarthe | jhutchins, no, it didnt. i just installed a lenny for other purposes. |
| 17:28.33 | jhutchins | Something about the 3400 blank entries broke the indexing... |
| 17:28.36 | zh1 | when is debian next release? |
| 17:28.45 | jhutchins | zh1: When it's ready. |
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| 17:30.47 | zh1 | jhutchins, offcourse :) |
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| 17:32.20 | RuRay | when a package asks for linux-headers-generic | linux-headers (>= 2.6.26), I cannot find that, and I have loaded numerous "headers" packages. much like that floating dog, I do not know what I am doing... |
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| 17:36.21 | wols_ | RuRay:" generic" is pure ubuntu and not debian. you cannot install ubuntu packages in debian |
| 17:36.55 | ectospasm | wols_: well, you *can*, but it's ill advised, since no one from either community will help you with it! |
| 17:36.59 | zh1 | sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) ? |
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| 17:39.58 | RuRay | ok - I am trying to get this "webcam" driver thing loaded - might have to compile it by hand and install it - more reading... ya! its a " ID 05ca:1870 Ricoh Co., Ltd Webcam 1000" |
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| 17:46.49 | rozie | hi. I made samba entry in fstab. |
| 17:46.58 | rozie | when I try to mount it I receive |
| 17:47.01 | rozie | mount: unknown filesystem type 'smbfs' |
| 17:47.15 | rozie | which package I need to install to have smbfs supported? |
| 17:48.03 | wols_ | ,v smbfs |
| 17:48.04 | judd | Package: smbfs on i386 -- squeeze: 2:4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2:5.2-1~bpo60+1 |
| 17:48.08 | wols_ | this one :) |
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| 17:49.29 | wols_ | rozie: try cifs-utils, it has the mount.cifs command |
| 17:49.45 | wols_ | smbfs is of course deprecated |
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| 17:50.46 | rozie | oh. I'm new to samba. found http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/configure-a-system-to-automount-a-samba-share-with-etcfstab/ |
| 17:50.46 | rozie | reading about cifs right now |
| 17:50.46 | rozie | :-) |
| 17:50.46 | rozie | thx |
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| 17:51.11 | dumby | sad |
| 17:51.27 | psycheye | rozie: mount -t cifs //ip/share /local_share -o "user=xxx,pass=xxx,gid=xxx,uid=xxx" |
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| 17:51.55 | psycheye | azz... :-((( |
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| 17:52.06 | psycheye | rozie: mount -t cifs //ip/share /local_share -o "user=xxx,pass=xxx,gid=xxx,uid=xxx" |
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| 17:52.17 | Themus | Welcome garylabronz , now, you're operator ! Good luck for survive :) |
| 17:52.29 | garylabronz | hey debian, i have a debian box im playing with. |
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| 17:52.36 | Themus | Welcome MadDog31 , now, you're operator ! Good luck for survive :) |
| 17:52.38 | garylabronz | do i need to do like /etc/init.d enable ? |
| 17:52.45 | garylabronz | to start a servic on boot |
| 17:52.55 | garylabronz | on used to centos being chkconfig, or arch using systemctl |
| 17:53.00 | garylabronz | im used* |
| 17:53.03 | psycheye | garylabronz, yep |
| 17:53.09 | dumby | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 17:53.10 | garylabronz | is that |
| 17:53.14 | psycheye | you have to create it |
| 17:53.15 | garylabronz | sysV or what ever ? |
| 17:53.18 | psycheye | and insserv too |
| 17:53.21 | garylabronz | what everyone complains/loves about ? |
| 17:53.29 | jordanm | garylabronz: you can use chkconfig in debian |
| 17:53.38 | jordanm | garylabronz: and arch as well, since it works with systemd |
| 17:53.46 | wols_ | no, they complain about systemd and upstart, not insserv |
| 17:53.48 | garylabronz | jordamn: do i need to install systemd ? |
| 17:53.48 | wols_ | !insserv |
| 17:53.49 | dpkg | insserv is a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on, to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts; ask me about <missing lsb tags>. |
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| 17:54.00 | Themus | Welcome nmistry , now, you're operator ! Good luck for survive ! :) |
| 17:54.01 | garylabronz | I'm using deb7 |
| 17:54.02 | wols_ | garylabronz: definitely not |
| 17:54.19 | jordanm | garylabronz: not unless you want to |
| 17:54.29 | jordanm | I run systemd in debian 7, but only because it's my preference |
| 17:54.41 | bazhang | !ops | Themus greeter bot |
| 17:54.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: bazhang complains about: | Themus greeter bot |
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| 17:54.50 | Themus | Welcome DelphiWorld , now, you're operator ! Good luck for survive ! :) |
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| 17:54.55 | Themus | Welcome dondelelcaro , now, you're operator ! Good luck for survive ! :) |
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| 17:55.01 | garylabronz | yeah ok, systemd i guess would be my preference. but its not needed for this machine. it think that link dumby gave me should get me through |
| 17:55.18 | DelphiWorld | lol |
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| 17:55.36 | psycheye | is Themus a bot? |
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| 17:55.45 | dumby | greeter bot, yes |
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| 17:55.47 | bazhang | was |
| 17:55.53 | psycheye | dumby, :-) |
| 17:56.08 | dumby | lovely smile |
| 17:56.10 | ErrantEgo | bazhang: i didnt get anything |
| 17:56.10 | ErrantEgo | :p |
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| 17:59.14 | rozie | mount -t cifs //192.168.1.226/kieszen /home/rozie/samba -o "user=x,pass=x" |
| 17:59.22 | rozie | mount error(115): Operation now in progress |
| 17:59.43 | psycheye | rozie: smbclient -L 192.168.1.226 |
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| 18:00.35 | rozie | OK, IP changed... |
| 18:01.55 | rozie | ...and samba daemon also had to be restarted |
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| 18:02.23 | psycheye | rozie, what's output of smbclient -L 192.168.1.226 |
| 18:02.30 | DelphiWorld | hi guys |
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| 18:02.39 | rozie | psycheye: thx. lot of time saved |
| 18:02.40 | DelphiWorld | my debian kernel messages is spamy with IPV6: |
| 18:02.41 | DelphiWorld | IPv6 addrconf: prefix with wrong length 56 |
| 18:02.48 | DelphiWorld | how to disable this:) |
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| 18:02.53 | psycheye | rozie, nope |
| 18:02.54 | psycheye | :-) |
| 18:02.58 | Dagger2 | don't advertise a prefix with length /56 |
| 18:02.59 | rozie | psycheye: it works (mounts OK) now |
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| 18:03.08 | psycheye | ok check local permissions too |
| 18:03.20 | rozie | it's OK. up and running |
| 18:03.23 | rozie | :-) |
| 18:03.26 | psycheye | :-) |
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| 18:04.16 | rozie | 1. I used smbfs |
| 18:04.36 | tharkun | Gentlemen good day, I need to connect to a Windows Server what is the weapon of choice on Debian? |
| 18:04.41 | rozie | 2. I made static entry for NAS box like 15 minutes ago. lease time was 6h on router |
| 18:04.52 | rozie | 3. IP changed |
| 18:05.04 | rozie | 4. samba wasn't listning on new IP |
| 18:05.14 | rozie | that's all ;) |
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| 18:05.34 | rozie | tharkun: connect how? |
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| 18:05.50 | rozie | rdesktop? VNC? disc share? |
| 18:07.38 | DelphiWorld | IPv6 addrconf: prefix with wrong length 56 |
| 18:07.42 | DelphiWorld | how to disable that;) |
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| 18:09.18 | aicasn | http://pastie.org/private/qwnnwblnalulabmifilda why am i still seeing fb0 when i explicitly disabled it on the kernel command line? i suspect that the framebuffer device is what is killing my video on bootup |
| 18:09.39 | aicasn | (deb7 i386) |
| 18:10.30 | dumby | DelphiWorld, do you need ipv6 auto configure? |
| 18:10.51 | DelphiWorld | dumby: sometime, but now i'm not sure if i'lle activate it soon |
| 18:11.27 | dumby | you can try deactivating it |
| 18:11.27 | dumby | IPv6 addrconf: prefix with wrong length 56 |
| 18:11.31 | dumby | http://visei.com/2011/10/solving-ipv6-addrconf-prefix-with-wrong-length-48-permanently/ |
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| 18:11.40 | Dagger2 | DelphiWorld: but seriously though, if you have a non-/64 subnet on-link you need to fix that |
| 18:11.58 | DelphiWorld | Dagger2: how? i didnt touch my router config at all;) |
| 18:12.04 | DelphiWorld | and yeah, i remember who's Dagger2 :) |
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| 18:15.49 | Dagger2 | you may need to touch it then, if it does something dumb out of the box |
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| 18:18.01 | AJ_Z0 | Trying to install Wheezy (debian-7.2.0-amd64-CD1-.iso) on a VirtualBox VM on a host with Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU Q 820 @ 1.73GHz (fam: 06, model: 1e, stepping: 05), but installer hangs on selecting any install option and trying an expert install reports, "This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU". I am missing something obvious? |
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| 18:18.49 | cusco | AJ_Z0: you're using image amd64 |
| 18:19.00 | cusco | use i386 or 686 |
| 18:19.05 | cusco | or x86 |
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| 18:21.52 | webdawg_ | Hey, |
| 18:21.55 | AJ_Z0 | cusco: I was under the impression that amd64 was for all modern AMD and Intel 64 bit processors (excluding Itanium) and I've installed from the same on another Intel CPU. |
| 18:22.18 | webdawg_ | If I am trying to use wicd to connect to a WPA2 network should I also have wpa supplicant installed? |
| 18:22.23 | jelly-home | AJ_Z0: vbox on this particular host OS might not support 64bit guests |
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| 18:23.24 | jelly-home | AJ_Z0: 64bit vbox or 64bit linux host does. Hell, once upon a time, 32bit vbox on 32bit linux host used to support 64bit guests |
| 18:23.58 | jelly-home | ask the #vbox channel or google about details for your host os + vbox combo |
| 18:25.16 | AJ_Z0 | jelly-home: It's running 64 bit CentOS, OEL, Ubuntu and FreeBSD guests fine |
| 18:26.06 | AJ_Z0 | I've already done my homework and found nothing but the suggestion made here to ask in #vbox, which I shall |
| 18:26.22 | jelly-home | huh |
| 18:26.46 | jelly-home | if other 64bit linux guests work, I have no idea |
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| 18:27.10 | aicasn | http://pastie.org/private/qwnnwblnalulabmifilda why am i still seeing fb0 when i explicitly disabled it on the kernel command line? i suspect that the framebuffer device is what is killing my video on bootup (deb7 i386) |
| 18:27.17 | arulfi | hello |
| 18:27.54 | arulfi | i wanna write bash shell code for logging out on all ttys |
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| 18:29.41 | arulfi | huhu |
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| 18:33.12 | AJ_Z0 | arulfi: The foot-shooting opportunities are endless, but look at sending HUP signals to (-)bash processes from your ~/.bash_logout |
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| 18:34.12 | dontknow | why does iceweasel release takes almost a week after official firefox release? |
| 18:34.22 | jelly-home | !nofb |
| 18:34.33 | dpkg | To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition (search linux16) |
| 18:34.49 | webdawg_ | wl driver or brcm driver better for brcm 4313? |
| 18:34.54 | jelly-home | aicasn: where did you find that "nofb" boot parameter in the documentation? |
| 18:35.04 | wes_incredible | webdawg_: I vote wl |
| 18:35.09 | winterss | hi all |
| 18:35.09 | aicasn | jelly-home: not sure. google |
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| 18:35.43 | jelly-home | aicasn: please report back if dpkg's video=vga16:off suggestion fails |
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| 18:36.50 | aicasn | jelly-home: which of the fb= or video= is supposed to work for appending to kernel params post-install? (installation works fine; it's normal system bootup that giving me the black screen) |
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| 18:37.49 | jelly-home | aicasn: video=vga16:off |
| 18:38.08 | aicasn | alright. i threw them both in for completeness sake |
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| 18:38.22 | jelly-home | (d-i means a parameter for the debian-installer image) |
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| 18:38.45 | jelly-home | there's no sense in using it after installation from the grub menu |
| 18:38.50 | aicasn | jelly-home: negative. i loose video 3 or 4 lines after the lines start to include color (green text for time codes, i think) |
| 18:39.02 | aicasn | it goes by so fast that i can't tell what it's doing at the time |
| 18:39.48 | jelly-home | something probably loads up intelfb (or whatever fb driver) |
| 18:39.59 | aicasn | jelly-home: and it's still loading drm and fb0 |
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| 18:40.42 | aicasn | suspect the module is "gma500_gfx" |
| 18:41.18 | tharkun | rozie: rdesktop whas the right answer. Sorry the win admin is at home with a terrible flu and one of her servers had a huge hiccup. Even rdp is down. So a trip to the server room was imperative. |
| 18:42.31 | jelly-home | aicasn: I only know Poulsbo ("gma500") is a pain via hearsay |
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| 18:43.23 | aicasn | jelly-home: this system has very basic needs - it doesn't need hw accel or any 3d fancy-ness. just console-mode video and maybe Xorg via VESA driver |
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| 18:43.57 | aicasn | if i go delete the modules that i don't want from the kernel module dir, is that going to screw me? |
| 18:44.25 | jelly-home | it's possible. |
| 18:44.44 | jelly-home | perhaps do |
| 18:44.47 | jelly-home | !blacklist |
| 18:44.48 | dpkg | To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 18:44.52 | jelly-home | instead |
| 18:44.59 | jelly-home | also: |
| 18:45.04 | jelly-home | !initramfs blacklist |
| 18:45.21 | jelly-home | !blacklist initramfs |
| 18:45.21 | dpkg | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (e.g. Debian stock kernel images), you need to run «update-initramfs -u» in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
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| 18:46.10 | webdawg_ | heh. |
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| 18:46.18 | local | hello all. I have a question: if I encrypt on a Linux system /tmp, and the system is writing/reading data from or to /tmp, will that decrease system performance because encryption is active on this directory? Or does it not affect the system speed, but only results in longer boot time at the time when /tmp is mounted with encryption? |
| 18:46.18 | webdawg_ | wicd does not work with wpa2!!! |
| 18:46.32 | sarthe | aicasn, or you know, just remove all those garbage fancy console options from /etc/default/grub? |
| 18:46.37 | webdawg_ | system performance local |
| 18:46.55 | sarthe | ive always hated that crap myself |
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| 18:47.21 | webdawg_ | local, some people put there tmp dir in memory. |
| 18:47.29 | aicasn | jelly-home: blacklisting did it |
| 18:47.30 | aicasn | thanks :) |
| 18:47.38 | webdawg_ | local, but it may fill and that is not reccomended. |
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| 18:47.44 | jelly-home | !next |
| 18:47.45 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
| 18:47.50 | jelly-home | dpkg: rude |
| 18:47.50 | dpkg | rude is, like, making me tell people things that they dont want to be told |
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| 18:48.01 | sarthe | local, encryption ALWAYS results in slower speed. |
| 18:48.18 | local | webdawg_: yes I know. |
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| 18:48.32 | local | sarthe: So it always slows down at every access to this directory? |
| 18:48.58 | aicasn | jelly-home: btw, there is a file in the modprobe dir that blacklists a dozen or so modules for being incompatible with fbdev. perhaps gma500_gfx should be added? |
| 18:49.08 | sarthe | local, end of story. decide if you want to sacrifice memory for your apparently highly secure system, at the expense of performance now. |
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| 18:49.12 | local | I remember to have red somewhere, that only the process when mounting the directory with encryption takes longer time as usual, but while working with it does not affect it. But I was not sure, that's why I am asking |
| 18:49.22 | sarthe | local, duh. |
| 18:49.47 | jelly-home | aicasn: I have no idea about gma500, sorry. It might make sense or not |
| 18:50.05 | sarthe | local, that is the most ridiculous bullshit ive ever heard. |
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| 18:50.12 | jelly-home | tries to buy hardware with free and working drivers, or at least with working drivers |
| 18:50.42 | local | sarthe: ok, thank you. |
| 18:50.44 | sarthe | local, not only that, but your CF disks lifetime will be at least 1/2ed |
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| 18:51.12 | local | sarthe: that's true, yeah |
| 18:51.19 | local | thanks for clarifying that |
| 18:51.35 | sarthe | local, word of advice: if you dont have a good reason for cryptography, ignore everything you hear about it. |
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| 18:51.49 | aicasn | jelly-home: same here man. i had this piece of crap forced upon me. "this is what we're buying" and we VAR it |
| 18:51.56 | webdawg_ | local, just encrypt it, lvm is nice. |
| 18:52.01 | local | sarthe: please, this is NOT the topic. I am looking at it as experimental project |
| 18:52.04 | webdawg_ | lvm, then luks, etc. |
| 18:52.14 | local | webdawg_: already done :) |
| 18:52.26 | sarthe | local, so 'experimenting' is your reason. fair enough. |
| 18:52.54 | sarthe | local, why are you asking here, go experiment! |
| 18:54.11 | local | sarthe: I did already, both options (with tmpfs and with encryption) |
| 18:54.29 | local | but I would like to know how it behaves with encryption, that's why I asked |
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| 18:54.35 | local | thanks a lot for assistance |
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| 18:57.33 | sarthe | local, you wont see the CF card dying with encryption probably for several years, but ok |
| 18:58.16 | sarthe | its really the kind of thing you cant test, and thus should forget about, you crazy freak! |
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| 18:58.37 | sarthe | what are you hiding?? |
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| 18:59.23 | local | sarthe: even if the CF card, it's not a problem. The whole thing works in a huge cluster over geographically different locations. So I don't care about the dying CF card. But thanks for the hint. I already knew that (lifetime of flash ...) |
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| 18:59.48 | local | sarthe: I am hiding the truth about life and our earth |
| 19:00.00 | local | sarthe: just kidding *lol* |
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| 19:00.06 | sarthe | so youve stored '42' on /tmp... |
| 19:00.30 | local | sarthe: not really, it was tau (6,282) |
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| 19:01.27 | lszyba1 | Hello, my server seemed to be abused by spammers. I see in syslog that "uid" 34" aka www-data is sending email, and submitting it to postfix....How can I figure out which site is doing that? Its either wordpress, or moinmoin, or hacked apache server?Any suggestions where to start |
| 19:01.31 | sarthe | local, seriously, your obsession with cryptography is fucking you in the arse. unless you have a reason, forget it and look at the real picture. the pi has 512Mb ram, thats not much. |
| 19:01.52 | sarthe | you can stick over 50Gb CF card in though |
| 19:02.10 | lszyba1 | I would expect some errors in "syslog or apache, but none "?If I wanted to get more info is there a syslog error level I can increase, and which program? Apache? |
| 19:02.45 | local | sarthe: everything is fine, don't worry about me pal |
| 19:02.53 | sarthe | roger |
| 19:03.12 | local | it's no real project with sensitive data, just experimental thing |
| 19:03.15 | lszyba1 | postsuper: Deleted: 9513 messages |
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| 19:03.32 | local | lszyba1: postque -p |
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| 19:03.42 | local | s/postque/postqueue |
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| 19:06.14 | lszyba1 | local: postque just tells me there are emails..Since I typed in the above there is new 62 emails submitted to postfix for delviery |
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| 19:06.49 | lszyba1 | How can I tell which program is calling sendmail, is it PHP, is it Python, |
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| 19:07.24 | local | lszyba1: netstat -atnpu ? |
| 19:07.33 | jelly-home | lszyba1: you can't really, but postfix logs will tell you which uid (user) did it |
| 19:07.45 | local | lszyba1: the -p switch shows you which application is listening on a port (if it helps you) |
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| 19:07.51 | local | oh sorry, thats not what you asked for |
| 19:08.08 | jelly-home | lszyba1: /var/log/mail.log on Debian |
| 19:08.10 | local | lszyba1: check the logs, raise the level? |
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| 19:08.21 | jelly-home | there's no need to raise levels. |
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| 19:16.43 | lszyba1 | local: I do have postfix installed so the email server is legit, its just uid www-data is sending mail, and I fore sure didn't write any applications that would need emails being sent out. |
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| 19:20.50 | robosleep | just started up my laptop for the first time today, touchpad no longer works. was working last night. any ideas? (wheezy stable) |
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| 19:21.42 | lszyba1 | jelly-home: One other issue was that mail.log does not show any info. It wasn't until I checked in syslog where I saw the uid# |
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| 19:30.28 | jelly-home | lszyba1: that's unusual, does "postconf syslog_facility" say mail |
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| 19:30.41 | julius_ | any HFSC cracks here? looking at the realtime curve, if umax=1500, dmax=1 does rate have to be 12000 (rate = 8*1500bytes/1) or is it supposed to always bigger than whats minimal needed to statisfy the delay? |
| 19:30.46 | julius_ | hi jelly-home |
| 19:30.59 | val_erie | I am trying to install edx in debian 7.2 and I get a failed to look up user syslog - I wonder what do I need to do - if I try to install syslogd - it will uninstall rsyslog - is that OK ? |
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| 19:31.08 | jelly-home | hello there |
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| 19:31.27 | jelly-home | val_erie: no, keep rsyslog. |
| 19:31.53 | jelly-home | val_erie: which facility is this "edx" things supposed to log to? |
| 19:33.18 | val_erie | jelly-home, ASK: [common | Create common log directory] ---- failed: [localhost] => {"failed": true, "gid": 0, "group": "root", "item": "", "mode": "0755", "owner": "root", "path": "/edx/var/log", "size": 6, "state": "directory", "uid": 0} msg: chown failed: failed to look up user syslog FATAL: all hosts have already failed -- aborting |
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| 19:33.56 | val_erie | ASk = TASK |
| 19:34.10 | tharkun | thinks that Debian's logs are stored on /var/log/* |
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| 19:34.45 | jelly-home | val_erie: why would it a) try to create /edx/var/log instead of something like /var/log/edx, b) want to have a _user_ named syslog? Consult the documentation for that service. |
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| 19:35.06 | jelly-home | val_erie: what's the package name, is it in Debian or did you get it somewhere else? |
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| 19:36.07 | val_erie | jelly-home - I am following this tutorial - https://github.com/edx/configuration/wiki/edX-Ubuntu-12.04-Installation |
| 19:36.31 | val_erie | I am installing in a clean Wheezy 7.2 -- installed nginx and added a user and sudo |
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| 19:37.36 | Jan\ | hi, how do I fix a broken shortcut in the applications menu of gnome3 ? |
| 19:37.36 | val_erie | it seem that either I need to manually create a folder ---or is some dependency - syslogd or something --- or simple rights to certain folders - this is a test - so I could give 777 to everything - bu |
| 19:38.05 | jelly-home | val_erie: you'll have to figure out what it really wants to do, and help it do that or configure it differently |
| 19:38.29 | mtn | Jan\: you can edit your menu with alacarte |
| 19:38.47 | jelly-home | val_erie: services using syslog usually do NOT have a separate folder to store logs |
| 19:38.55 | Jan\ | mtn: how ? |
| 19:39.21 | mtn | Jan\: install alacarte, start alacarte, edit whatever you need to edit. |
| 19:39.55 | Jan\ | mtn: how do I find the correct path I mena. to vlc on live debian ? |
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| 19:40.56 | mtn | Jan\: you are trying to fix the menu on a live cd? I think you can still use alacarte. |
| 19:41.00 | Jan\ | mtn: if I use the cli and type vlc it works. if I click on vlc in the apps menu nothing happens |
| 19:41.17 | Jan\ | mtn: so how do I find the correct path ? |
| 19:41.20 | sarthe | are people that terrified of typing 'vlc' into a terminal these days? |
| 19:41.32 | sarthe | this society is fucked |
| 19:41.51 | tharkun | val_erie: hmm that tutorial recomends a VPS which I believe is not a bad Idea at all. Start with Ubuntu on a VPS and then debianize it AFTER you understand what is going on. |
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| 19:42.02 | mtn | Jan\: open synaptic and look at the files for vlc. right click and choose properties |
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| 19:43.26 | peterrooney | sarthe: are menu designers so terrified of building things that work? |
| 19:43.44 | sarthe | who cares? |
| 19:43.53 | tharkun | peterrooney: You are free to join :) |
| 19:43.54 | sarthe | its 3 characters |
| 19:44.02 | sarthe | V. L. C. |
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| 19:44.58 | ScottE | V. L. C. is 8 characters :-) |
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| 19:46.01 | sarthe | additionally it would give appropriate error messages if its not working, instead of making them ask for the contents or ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 19:46.23 | sarthe | which they havent figured out yet... |
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| 19:47.39 | sarthe | it really disturbs me how little is known about X11 these days |
| 19:48.11 | peterrooney | sarthe: You have missed the point. Your workaround, while temporarily helpful, is not a fix. A dismissive attitude towards someone who sees a workaround as, well, a workaround, is counterproductive. |
| 19:48.43 | sarthe | i did not suggest a workaround... what are you rambling about? |
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| 19:49.23 | sarthe | i said, basically, if you cant type `vlc` into a terminal, look at ~/.xsession-errors for reasons why it doesnt work |
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| 19:50.46 | awaahh | I have multiple Debian servers and manually updating them daily is a hassle. What's the best way to get them to automatically update/upgrade? |
| 19:50.54 | sarthe | this is standard X11 stuff, since the 1990s |
| 19:51.16 | sarthe | 80s even, perhaps? |
| 19:51.28 | lszyba1 | jelly-home:it does, and it does save to mail.log ..I just meant it didn't save the UID, so I was thinking it was mail comming in..aka open relay, just to accidentally find out its www-data sending mail....How do I increase the log level? debug_peer_list and level? or |
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| 19:52.10 | peterrooney | sarthe: *I* can figure out that process. A newcomer (such as Jan\) might have a very hard time figuring that out. |
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| 19:53.19 | peterrooney | Jan\: after you select vlc from the menu, does tail ~/.xsession-errors" show anything vlc related?? |
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| 19:58.35 | sarthe | awaahh, a cron job? |
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| 19:58.46 | unkmar | Help: r8169 0000:01:00.0: firmware: agent aborted loading rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw (not found?) |
| 19:59.01 | awaahh | sarthe: Just set up a cron? I didn't know if there was some fancy software that is better suited for the job. |
| 19:59.10 | unkmar | I'm pretty sure that repeated error is causing my network to flake out. |
| 19:59.12 | peterrooney | Jan\: I apologize for the typo, I meant "tail ~/.xsession-errors" |
| 19:59.33 | sarthe | awaahh, if you read apt-get manual, youll find the -y option among others, that ensure it doesnt hang. |
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| 20:00.24 | sarthe | awaahh, i ran apt-get update for years on a production server. i was not insane enough to do a upgrade, but its possible i suppose. |
| 20:00.27 | Jan\ | ok guys mtn peterrooney, I tried a fix for vlc but it only works temporarily http://blog.sleeplessbeastie.eu/2012/05/19/how-to-use-videolan-in-live-mode/ |
| 20:00.33 | Jan\ | fix 2 works |
| 20:00.37 | awaahh | sarthe: I'm aware of '-y', but I didn't know if there was something that would, for example, avoid updating GRUB/Samba/etc. in case a dialog box is needed. |
| 20:00.39 | Jan\ | temporarily |
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| 20:00.43 | unkmar | installing firemware-realtek |
| 20:00.44 | Jan\ | from terminal |
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| 20:01.04 | Jan\ | if I close terminal and try to run vlc it doesnt work |
| 20:01.32 | unkmar | Just great. I'm set up, ready to work and I've got to reboot now. >:( |
| 20:01.32 | sarthe | awaahh, update-grub needs no user input... again, really UPGRADE is idiotic, frankly, UPDATE is perfectly fine. |
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| 20:02.28 | sarthe | awaahh, if youre a sysadmin that just lets 'random' upgrades happen, youre not doing your job right. |
| 20:02.46 | awaahh | Not really a sysadmin, just a beginner. I'll stick to automatic update and do the upgrades manually, then. |
| 20:02.56 | awaahh | Might look into a solution to e-mail me when updates are available |
| 20:03.11 | sarthe | awaahh, then you are fine, put update in cron |
| 20:03.21 | awaahh | Thanks :3 |
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| 20:03.35 | sarthe | or you can make it stupidly complicated too. *shrug* |
| 20:04.10 | awaahh | I'm just experimenting with things, as a beginner. |
| 20:04.20 | jhutchins | Jan\: So clearly there is a path problem with your vlc client. You could create a shortcut that passed the ENV var, or figure out why vlc is broken. |
| 20:04.40 | sarthe | once a week: apt-get -y update in cron works fine |
| 20:04.43 | jhutchins | Jan\: Is this a standard Debian/Gnome installation on i386? |
| 20:04.48 | Jan\ | jhutchins: its because its a live debian |
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| 20:05.03 | Jan\ | jhutchins: debian live |
| 20:05.16 | Jan\ | jhutchins: i686 pae |
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| 20:05.51 | jhutchins | Jan\: Odd, it should just work, but you can't saven anything, so... |
| 20:06.14 | Jan\ | jhutchins: yeah just checking out debian. I think ill be installing mint |
| 20:06.17 | jhutchins | Jan\: I'd forrage through the menus on VLC for the path to the plugins, but it won't save. |
| 20:06.27 | Jan\ | using debian live untill new hardware comes in |
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| 20:08.41 | lszyba1 | local: I increased the messaging in mail.log but it still says: postfix/pickup[31772]: 6E03DAE019: uid=33 from=<mari_richards@mysite.com> which doesn't tell me which program submitted it... |
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| 20:09.21 | winterss | hi all |
| 20:09.29 | sarthe | hi! |
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| 20:10.18 | wols_ | lszyba1: the program pickup from postfix did |
| 20:10.53 | wols_ | or do you mean what sent the mail? check who is uid 33 on your system |
| 20:11.48 | jhutchins | bets on apache. |
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| 20:15.28 | mikodo | With Debian Stable and Testing installed on different partitions on same drive, which of these is the recommended OS to take command of the boot process? |
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| 20:16.19 | wols_ | mikodo: I'd say testing since testing knows about stable, stable doesn't know about testing |
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| 20:16.49 | mikodo | wols_, That makes sense. Thanks! |
| 20:16.56 | jhutchins | On the other hand, stable will be stable, while testing might not. |
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| 20:17.14 | mikodo | jhutchins, hmm |
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| 20:17.49 | jhutchins | One of the nice things about grub is it doesn't have to know much about the actual OS that's loading, just where to point the bootloader next. |
| 20:18.28 | mikodo | jhutchins, like which mbr? |
| 20:18.33 | wols_ | jhutchins: he already runs testing. that is moot :) |
| 20:18.39 | mikodo | drive with mbr |
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| 20:18.53 | wols_ | jhutchins: it has to unless you want to do a 2 stage grub |
| 20:19.00 | dskfl | anyone using Acme editor ? (from plan9 from userspace) |
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| 20:20.09 | robosleep | dskfl: i've bookmarked it to try when I get some free time, how is it? |
| 20:20.38 | dskfl | it's .. interesting not like any other text editor |
| 20:21.00 | dskfl | i was asking because i'm interested in some wiki page or something |
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| 20:22.27 | mikodo | wols, jhutchins So agreed with Testing? |
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| 20:22.53 | ghost75 | i am trying to compile http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/scanbuttond/scanbuttond_0.2.3.cvs20090713.orig.tar.gz but there is no configure.ac to run ./configure, what i need to do? |
| 20:23.08 | dskfl | not many docs about it |
| 20:23.12 | robosleep | dskfl: what distro are you using? what source did you get acme from? |
| 20:23.23 | wols_ | ghost75: get it with apt-get build and produce a .deb with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:23.47 | dskfl | robosleep, wheezy http://swtch.com/plan9port/ |
| 20:24.18 | ghost75 | i want to modify the source |
| 20:24.38 | wols_ | you can still do that |
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| 20:24.42 | robosleep | dskfl: thanks, i'm on wheezy too and havent seen it anywhere outside cat-v.org |
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| 20:24.54 | sarthe | ghost75, try `autoconf` and also install that package. |
| 20:25.16 | ghost75 | but apt-get will just download binaries no? |
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| 20:25.36 | sarthe | ghost75, also, last i tried that, there are 50 million versions of autoconf, so you have to select the right one |
| 20:25.47 | dskfl | robosleep, what i meant to say about not having docs it's not too accurate, i mean it does tell you how to use it and such and it's pretty simple, but searching for it online you won't find much blogging about it i mean none |
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| 20:26.22 | dskfl | robosleep, anyway, it's the anti-emacs .. it's all mouse |
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| 20:26.53 | jarekp_ | ?help |
| 20:27.09 | sarthe | ghost75, you want the 'autoconf' BINARY that converts your configure.ac into an configure shell script, yes |
| 20:27.17 | robosleep | dskfl: eh. I'm a vim guy; don't like the key combos of emacs but i'll admit i haven't really given it a chance. also don't like the mouse. |
| 20:27.36 | ghost75 | aha :> |
| 20:27.40 | lszyba1 | wols_: uid33 is www-data ...let me check into pickup and who can call it |
| 20:27.45 | robosleep | still I have an affinity toward the suckless/cat-v scene so I'll probably mess with 8it |
| 20:27.50 | robosleep | it* |
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| 20:29.00 | glow_wolf | I need help with "live builder" I installed it yesterday and was going to try it but decided to stop because it was downloading and i didnt have time it was going fine now today it stops it self "chroot: cannot change root directory to chroot: No such file or directory" |
| 20:29.05 | sarthe | ghost75, honestly though if you are getting this deep into compiling stuff, youre probably waaaay outside of 'the standard debian method'. are you cool with that? |
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| 20:29.33 | ghost75 | i just want to compile source and install |
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| 20:29.58 | sarthe | ghost75, if its not related to debian, rock your socks off! |
| 20:30.09 | sarthe | 3 thumbs up! |
| 20:30.51 | ghost75 | what needs to be done with: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/scanbuttond/scanbuttond_0.2.3.cvs20090713-8.debian.tar.gz |
| 20:30.55 | sarthe | also: http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf.html |
| 20:31.12 | ghost75 | there are patches inside and a rule file |
| 20:31.18 | sarthe | ah, see you are involving debian... |
| 20:31.42 | sarthe | dpkg -i <that file>? |
| 20:31.43 | dpkg | package <that file> is already installed |
| 20:31.53 | sarthe | no idea what its about |
| 20:32.12 | sarthe | wait, tar.gz |
| 20:32.44 | sarthe | tar xzf <file>; less README? |
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| 20:33.38 | jhutchins | ghost75: Is there a README file? |
| 20:33.50 | ghost75 | in the debian file, no |
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| 20:34.22 | sarthe | ghost75, you have a configure.ac right? |
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| 20:34.38 | dskfl | robosleep, yeah and the harmful stuff is funny too |
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| 20:34.41 | ghost75 | but in the other package is readme i missed :> |
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| 20:35.22 | sarthe | kthen |
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| 20:35.55 | ghost75 | aclocal; autoconf; autoheader; automake -a; libtoolize |
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| 20:37.28 | sarthe | you might need some switches on some of those, and DAMMIT, its autogen.sh... which is a rare script, if you install anjuta, you get it, and it does all that. |
| 20:38.19 | sarthe | the desync between linux OSs and GNU stuff is pretty bad these days |
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| 20:38.36 | ghost75 | hm still no makefile.in |
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| 20:39.00 | sarthe | eh? if you dont have a makefile.in, youve no hope. |
| 20:39.10 | ghost75 | only makefile.am |
| 20:39.21 | sarthe | oh wait, yeah, try automake? |
| 20:39.23 | robosleep | dskfl: yeah that site is fun |
| 20:40.11 | ghost75 | libtool is undefined |
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| 20:40.26 | ghost75 | usual way is to add LT_INIT |
| 20:40.50 | wols_ | ghost75: make your changes and run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:40.52 | sarthe | you did autoconf, autoheader, AND THEN run ./configure <blabla> right? <- that developts the Makefile.in's usually? |
| 20:40.53 | ghost75 | something about aclocal search path |
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| 20:41.33 | sarthe | try autoconf -I /usr/share/aclocal ? |
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| 20:42.04 | ghost75 | i try dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:42.10 | sarthe | automake? maybe its been a while since i did this. rtfm |
| 20:42.21 | sarthe | or that. ok |
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| 20:42.41 | sarthe | that would be the 'debian way' |
| 20:43.17 | ghost75 | i copied the debian folder into sources |
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| 20:43.34 | sarthe | folder?? |
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| 20:43.57 | ghost75 | from http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/scanbuttond/scanbuttond_0.2.3.cvs20090713-8.debian.tar.gz |
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| 20:46.13 | ghost75 | YEAH |
| 20:47.10 | ghost75 | didnt know its that easy |
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| 21:00.46 | ghost75 | wow this creates even a new patch out of my changes |
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| 21:02.40 | sarthe | ghost75, i tried that with nvidia drivers recently, it was a spectacular failure. |
| 21:02.58 | sarthe | you are lucky |
| 21:03.05 | ghost75 | no |
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| 21:03.14 | ghost75 | i deleted my patch and now it cannot find it |
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| 21:09.46 | lszyba1 | So one way to stop www-data from sending emails is using "authorized_submit_users = !www-data, static:all", but how do I find a leak in the system? Its has to be either wordpress or moinmoin. How can I trace exactly which PID sends the file? |
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| 21:10.24 | lszyba1 | PID calls email command from apache I mean... |
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| 21:10.49 | jhutchins | lszyba1: No, that doesn't stop it from sending the messages, just stops them from being delivered. |
| 21:10.58 | jhutchins | lszyba1: What do the messages say? |
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| 21:11.40 | igel123 | hi |
| 21:11.40 | lszyba1 | jhutchins: 100 emails a minute sent to yahoo aol hotmail...etc |
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| 21:11.54 | jhutchins | Sargun: nvidia drivers are not debian sourcecode, that's one of the big difference. |
| 21:12.10 | jhutchins | lszyba1: Sounds like you've been hacked. What do the emails contain? |
| 21:12.35 | jhutchins | lszyba1: You need to figure out what is causing them to be sent. |
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| 21:14.13 | igel123 | somehow rsyslogd is not running at boot for me. When asking /etc/init.drysyslogd status it just gives me: [FAIL] rsyslogd is not running ... failed! |
| 21:14.34 | igel123 | even thought i update-rc'ed it with defaults |
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| 21:14.52 | jelly-home | lszyba1: inspect the processes running as user www-data for suspicious activity; inspect web server logs. |
| 21:15.05 | igel123 | and I can see that it's linked in /etc/rc2.d/S16rsyslog and other run levels |
| 21:15.29 | igel123 | what am i missing |
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| 21:17.28 | jhutchins | igel123: start it manually. Do you get feedback? Does it stay running? |
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| 21:18.26 | igel123 | jhutchins: yes, it starts ok and stays with "/usr/sbin/rsyslogd -c5" in ps |
| 21:18.57 | igel123 | jhutchins: it looks like my system is not starting the /etc/rc2 scripts |
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| 21:21.54 | jhutchins | igel123: Which release? |
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| 21:23.42 | igel123 | jhutchins: 7.2, it's raspbmc |
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| 21:27.05 | val_erie | I am running debian wheezy 7.2 and I have a webserver with multiple websites - site1.com site2.com and I want to be able to send email from their contact forms webmaster@site1.com anothermaster@site2.com --- obviously the mail servers corresponding for each website are on different servers - can anyone tell me what to do ? |
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| 21:33.40 | unkmar | Now my internet is not stable. I'm getting random network drops. |
| 21:33.43 | igel123 | btw, is it ok that runlevel return unknown? |
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| 21:34.44 | unkmar | I'm on a LAN and appear to be the only one experiencing the problem. I installed wheezy about 3 days ago. |
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| 21:36.19 | unkmar | I'm not seeing any additional messages in dmesg |
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| 21:41.43 | jhutchins | unkmar: How exactly is it dropping? Wired? Wifi? |
| 21:42.59 | unkmar | jhutchins: wired. |
| 21:43.10 | jhutchins | igel123: You're asking in the wrong place. rasbian may not even use runlevels. You can verify that the link in rc2.d is valid and executable, but I think you need to ask in #raspian how they do init. |
| 21:43.28 | unkmar | jhutchins: my ssh, drops along with my IM connection. |
| 21:43.45 | igel123 | jhutchins: yeah..maybe you're right |
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| 21:45.09 | jhutchins | unkmar: Is the interface still shown as up? Check your cable. What chipset is the NIC? Can you ping named external hosts after it drops? If you run an ongoing ping, does it help keep the connection up? Does it show dropped packets? What about installing & running MTR - are you having a problem upstream, or is it strictly your local connection? What about connections to hosts within the LAN? Do they drop as well? |
| 21:45.31 | jhutchins | unkmar: Try a different port on the switch. |
| 21:45.56 | Vasistha | when scripting, is there a standard way to test and see if a valid xsession is running (which the script has authentication for)? |
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| 21:47.40 | jhutchins | unkmar: Is the ssh session idle when it drops, or is there active traffic? Have you set tcp_keepalive in your ssh config? |
| 21:48.27 | unkmar | jhutchins: it resets or something. RTL8111/8168B (rev 03) |
| 21:49.04 | unkmar | By the time I see it is down. it has reconnected dropping all the persistant connections. Such as this one. |
| 21:50.00 | unkmar | As far as on going ping. This connection shows the time at every second. |
| 21:50.03 | grep0r | val_erie, mailforward maybe? |
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| 21:53.35 | jhutchins | Well, realtek chipsets are cheap, and sometimes implemented badly, but then again this connection is rock solid and it's on an RTL8111. |
| 21:54.02 | unkmar | jhutchins: as I stated. the connections is active because of the time update via screen and irssi. Both show the time HH:MM:SS |
| 21:54.13 | jhutchins | So that leaves bad cable, bad switchport, noise on the lan, and probably a dozen other things. |
| 21:54.17 | unkmar | jhutchins: this problem didn't exist with squeeze. |
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| 21:54.39 | jhutchins | unkmar: Doesn't rule out hardware - time is different. |
| 21:54.58 | jhutchins | unkmar: You could also set up a dual boot with squeeze or jessie and compare. |
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| 21:55.11 | jhutchins | unkmar: You could also try a different kernel (from backports). |
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| 21:56.20 | jhutchins | unkmar: If I toggle from IRC to a console window in screen, and that console window is idle, I will most likely loose my connection. I believe this is a function of the networking configuration between here (work PC) and home. |
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| 21:57.19 | unkmar | jhutchins: yeah that happened to me all the time. that was why I put time update in screen to every second. That prevent ssh drops where they use to occur. |
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| 21:59.28 | talin | hello. why does debian not have firefox, but this iceweasel instead? |
| 21:59.31 | talin | is it a debian-only thing? |
| 21:59.45 | aicasn | iceweasel is firefox |
| 21:59.50 | aicasn | politics |
| 21:59.59 | unkmar | jhutchins: I was running 2.6.32-5-amd64 with squeeze. Now running 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 22:00.03 | talin | what sort of politics? i mean, what's wrong with firefox? |
| 22:00.45 | jordanm | !tell talin about why iceweasel |
| 22:00.47 | wes_incredible | iceweasel IS firefox, just without the branding. The code is identical. The politics are related to copyright over the name and graphics. |
| 22:01.07 | aicasn | we took out all the Mozilla crap |
| 22:01.08 | jordanm | wes_incredible: no, it wasn't over copyright, it was over trademark |
| 22:01.24 | wes_incredible | jordanm: My bad. You're right. |
| 22:01.34 | talin | ah, okay |
| 22:01.48 | unkmar | its over branding? the firefox branding? You gotta be joking? literally over the branding? |
| 22:02.04 | wes_incredible | unkmar: literally, yes. |
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| 22:06.04 | jhutchins | !why iceweasel |
| 22:06.04 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
| 22:06.14 | jhutchins | Oops. |
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| 22:06.51 | jhutchins | unkmar: You might look at the tcp_keepalive settings for ssh. They're a little complex but well documented. |
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| 22:07.20 | unkmar | My problems are just ssh. pidgin drops. Hence the reason I said network drop. Not just my ssh connections. |
| 22:07.25 | unkmar | *aren't |
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| 22:07.43 | jhutchins | unkmar: Still a lot of variables on the list. |
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| 22:08.17 | unkmar | jhutchins: irssi was dropping. Which is why I'm now connected via irssi in screen through ssh on a remote machine. |
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| 22:34.56 | erm3nda | Hi world |
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| 22:38.45 | unkmar | welcome back. |
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| 22:39.59 | erm3nda | :) |
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| 22:40.35 | hypfer | hi. :) I made something. How can I get it into the official debian repos? |
| 22:41.38 | hypfer | something: https://github.com/Hypfer/hostapd-statistics |
| 22:42.00 | erm3nda | searching official debian repos on the web or asking them to the irc bot at this channel |
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| 22:42.11 | erm3nda | then add it to the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:42.34 | erm3nda | but i dont know how to ask the bot :S because never use it... |
| 22:42.36 | erm3nda | !r |
| 22:42.36 | dpkg | R is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. To install: "aptitude -r install r-base". http://wiki.debian.org/R http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience/R http://www.r-project.org/ #r on irc.freenode.net. And it's "are", not "r". See also <plotting>. |
| 22:42.40 | wes_incredible | erm3nda: I think hypfer would like to get his project included in the repo |
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| 22:42.50 | hypfer | wes_incredible: exactly :) |
| 22:42.54 | petern_ | That's a pretty non-standard way of building a deb... |
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| 22:43.13 | hypfer | petern_: i know.. i know |
| 22:43.30 | erm3nda | i dont understand at all... |
| 22:43.42 | erm3nda | i miss something is guess. |
| 22:44.05 | wes_incredible | erm3nda: He isn't an end user wanting some package he can't find in Debian, he would like to *contribute* to Debian's repo. |
| 22:44.23 | erm3nda | aha, that's cool |
| 22:44.48 | erm3nda | how powerfull can be a contributor who cannot locate the right site to do it? |
| 22:44.59 | hypfer | the probability that my coding is too horrible for the official repos is pretty high. :) |
| 22:45.05 | jhutchins | erm3nda: There is a debian maintainers' guide, but I don't know the factoid or URL for it. There is #debian-mentors on oftc.net. |
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| 22:45.26 | jhutchins | erm3nda: I'm answering the wrong nick, aren't I? |
| 22:45.37 | hypfer | jhutchins: yes you do |
| 22:45.42 | themill | dpkg: tell hypfer about nmg |
| 22:45.53 | jhutchins | themill: ty. |
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| 22:46.18 | hypfer | thanks themill |
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| 22:46.53 | themill | hypfer: looking at that code, I'd also say that shell was probably the wrong language to write it in. Perl or python, perhaps? |
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| 22:49.29 | erm3nda | :) |
| 22:49.43 | erm3nda | hypfer, sorry about my comment, just a flash! |
| 22:50.05 | erm3nda | do it, learn a lot and you will got the power! :) |
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| 22:58.07 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 22:58.27 | Posterdati | please I need to salvage an usb disk, that I partially dd (5%) |
| 22:58.31 | wes_incredible | Read up a little bit, I don't envy maintainers or contributors. It looks like very hard work. |
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| 22:59.56 | erm3nda | debian a hard work? seriusly? heheh ehe h |
| 23:00.19 | erm3nda | don't know the mean of envy |
| 23:00.22 | bernat | Posterdati: you can try testdisk and photorec |
| 23:00.29 | Posterdati | tx |
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| 23:02.21 | erm3nda | test disk is the power |
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| 23:02.37 | unkmar | jhutchins: Appears to not affect local. I lost connection with my remote again. |
| 23:02.37 | erm3nda | i use it right today to recover usb damage partition files |
| 23:02.46 | Posterdati | ok |
| 23:03.17 | erm3nda | free, lightweight, and also has a extra program specially to regular files recovery |
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| 23:03.32 | erm3nda | photorec is a part of testdisk |
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| 23:06.55 | DeepBlue | i need the torrent link of 64amd xfce 4 GB DVD Debian |
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| 23:07.27 | erm3nda | RayBlue is better, 8GB XD |
| 23:07.40 | thewanderer1 | hi. I'm on Sid and running GNOME. the laptop won't automatically suspend when I close the lid, even though acpi_listen clearly shows the relevant events. where would I start looking? |
| 23:08.56 | erm3nda | DeepBlue: how bad is the ftp download? |
| 23:09.02 | DeepBlue | i need the torrent link of 64amd xfce 4 GB DVD Debian wheezy |
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| 23:09.38 | xand | thewanderer1: don't use sid. |
| 23:10.29 | erm3nda | deepblue: that? http://kickass.to/debian-7-0-wheezy-32-bit-xfce-t7389217.html |
| 23:10.39 | erm3nda | even if you see 32bit, go in |
| 23:10.46 | erm3nda | and see related at bottom |
| 23:11.43 | DeepBlue | erm3nda: i don't have a working connection |
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| 23:11.43 | thewanderer1 | xand, well, I had to, really - there were no drivers for half of all devices this T440p has - now, I've worked out most quirks, with this GNOME issue being the last one |
| 23:11.43 | thewanderer1 | (Haswell graphics / new Synaptics / Intel 7260AC firmware support in Wheezy is mostly nonexistent, it seems) |
| 23:12.07 | erm3nda | and how you do you download the torrent? |
| 23:12.11 | xand | thewanderer1: what about jessie? |
| 23:12.16 | erm3nda | mistery... |
| 23:12.42 | erm3nda | the good http downloads supports resume |
| 23:12.51 | DeepBlue | erm3nda: nope,64 -bit |
| 23:12.56 | erm3nda | is you got offline, you can continue it |
| 23:12.57 | thewanderer1 | xand, is it much better than sid at the moment? I guess I haven't really checked on it since the freeze "thawed" and they equated for the most part |
| 23:13.04 | erm3nda | deepblue, please |
| 23:13.06 | erm3nda | read me |
| 23:13.13 | erm3nda | i saw about 64bit |
| 23:13.15 | erm3nda | under the link |
| 23:13.30 | erm3nda | http://kickass.to/debian-wheezy-7-0-rc1-cd1-amd64-iso-t7112809.html |
| 23:13.31 | erm3nda | damn... |
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| 23:14.13 | erm3nda | i can download and send you a free dvd to your home if is too heavy to you push a link :( |
| 23:14.13 | thewanderer1 | I guess I should ask in #debian-next, there's likely someone with the newest GNOME from sid and a laptop there |
| 23:14.38 | erm3nda | #debian-alternate-reality |
| 23:14.39 | erm3nda | :) |
| 23:14.54 | reavengrey | ,v qt |
| 23:14.55 | judd | No package named 'qt' was found in i386. |
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| 23:15.49 | reavengrey | ,v qt-sdk |
| 23:15.51 | judd | Package: qt-sdk on i386 -- jessie: 2; sid: 2; squeeze: 2; wheezy: 2; experimental: 3 |
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| 23:16.01 | DeepBlue | erm3nda: i can download torrents if a web browser within reach |
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| 23:16.10 | erm3nda | cool :) |
| 23:16.14 | erm3nda | do you see the link? |
| 23:16.19 | xand | thewanderer1: don't know :( |
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| 23:17.09 | erm3nda | the link i gave is wrong, only 600mb |
| 23:17.15 | erm3nda | you are looking for the 4gb |
| 23:17.16 | erm3nda | http://kickass.to/debian-wheezy-7-0-rc1-dvd1-amd64-iso-t7112814.html |
| 23:17.50 | themill | erm3nda: please stop handing out random links to old installers |
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| 23:18.07 | erm3nda | srry, it ask about this install ... |
| 23:18.12 | erm3nda | if is old or not is not my challenge |
| 23:18.18 | DeepBlue | erm3nda: because a password should b fed in browser first 2 activate connection |
| 23:18.23 | themill | erm3nda: if you're not sure, please don't say anything |
| 23:18.33 | erm3nda | sure about what? |
| 23:18.39 | themill | DeepBlue: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
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| 23:19.14 | erm3nda | it ask to dvd 4gb iso... |
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| 23:19.21 | erm3nda | i dont see any DVD here |
| 23:19.27 | erm3nda | only a collection of new cd |
| 23:19.36 | erm3nda | dont post if youre not sure... |
| 23:19.40 | themill | dvds are at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
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| 23:20.22 | thewanderer1 | uh-oh, it seems that GNOME suspend on lid close / power button press now requires systemd (?!) |
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| 23:21.52 | themill | thewanderer1: no, it requires logind (aka consolekit) |
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| 23:22.30 | thewanderer1 | themill, according to bug #726763, systemd is assumed to be PID 1 |
| 23:23.07 | themill | that's not supposed to be the case until systemd > 205 |
| 23:23.35 | themill | but the maintainer there knows what he's talking about |
| 23:23.45 | thewanderer1 | also, has there been a consensus on systemd being the default init system when I wasn't looking? if there hasn't, this could be a problem for GNOME in Debian... |
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| 23:24.38 | DeepBlue | themill: this one is fine ,thanx |
| 23:25.15 | themill | thewanderer1: there is no consensus -- there seems to be a strong desire to demand that other people do work to support random esoteric configurations, however. |
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| 23:26.06 | ScottE | thewanderer1: I noticed that the other day when I was installing something that needed additional gnome libs and had systemd as a dependency. I'm not running gnome DE, but do use a few gnome apps. |
| 23:26.25 | ScottE | This was on debian jessie |
| 23:26.33 | thewanderer1 | systemd as a dependency... it's getting better and better |
| 23:27.02 | ScottE | I promptly apt-get removed it! |
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| 23:27.09 | thewanderer1 | well, for now, assuming I were to migrate to systemd 204-5 from sysvinit (inherited from wheezy) - how smooth of a ride should it be? |
| 23:27.19 | DeepBlue | erm3nda: thanx a lot |
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| 23:32.33 | thewanderer1 | never mind - apparently, scientes in #debian-next hasn't had much luck with getting GDM to run at all on systemd... |
| 23:32.53 | thewanderer1 | menu->suspend it is, then |
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| 23:54.37 | Lady_Aleena | Are there general error logs somewhere? I just tried to run readpst, and it returned 'Error opening File'. I would like to know exactly what the error was, if possible. |
| 23:54.59 | bobjones | Is there any good way to corrupt a filesystem? (I want to test some file system recovery tools) |
| 23:55.17 | ChibaPet | thewanderer1: You shouldn't strictly need this, but what about using the hooks and scripts from acpi-support-base and friends? I get arbitrary behaviour on lid close, etc., on my netbook running Jessie. |
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| 23:55.55 | ChibaPet | bobjones: You could always use dd to overwrite your partition tables, etc. I wouldn't do this on a system you care about, of course. |
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| 23:56.16 | bobjones | ChibaPet: hmm, well i don't want to damage my other partitions =/ |
| 23:56.34 | ChibaPet | Lady_Aleena: depends on the program. Logging to, say, /var/log/messages is up to the developer to implement. Sometimes there are local logs. Sometimes you have to ask for more explicit output. |
| 23:56.40 | thewanderer1 | ChibaPet, yeah well, I have a listener for tablet events running too (migrated from X220 Tablet), might as well use that |
| 23:57.09 | ChibaPet | bobjones: I wouldn't try this on a system you use. If you can, I'd set up a crash-and-burn system for it. You're explicitly talking about doing bad, unwanted things to a disk. |
| 23:57.17 | ChibaPet | bobjones: Make sure you have back-ups in any event. |
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| 23:57.28 | hengha | I kept getting mising -lresolv on ubuntu 13.10, I got build-essential installed already, which package may I missed already ? |
| 23:57.29 | bobjones | ChibaPet: yeah totally agree, it's a test machine |
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| 23:57.45 | thewanderer1 | ACPI hooks didn't really cut it (could never guess the DISPLAY 100% correctly), but I wrote a quick-and-dirty grep script which runs under user session |
| 23:57.57 | ChibaPet | hengha: The folks over at #ubuntu can help you. |
| 23:58.03 | hengha | ha, got it, thans |
| 23:58.05 | hengha | thanks |
| 23:58.30 | Lady_Aleena | ChibaPet, so no general error logs? guh... |
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| 23:58.56 | mikodo | Do the linux kernels on unstable ever crash the system and if so, is it often? |
| 23:59.02 | ChibaPet | Lady_Aleena: Another possibility is seeing something in dmesg. |
| 23:59.20 | thewanderer1 | mikodo, I'd be more worried about the userspace crashing than the kernel - for me, 3.11-2 is just fine |
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| 23:59.26 | ChibaPet | mikodo: They're explicitly less-tested than Stable, but for vanilla configurations, you're often pretty safe. |
| 23:59.31 | Lady_Aleena | ChibaPet, just type that into the terminal? |
| 23:59.37 | ChibaPet | Lady_Aleena: dmesg | less |
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| 23:59.54 | ChibaPet | or dmesg | tail or dmesg | grep something-I-want |