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| 00:00.35 | mikodo | thewanderer1, ChibaPet Thanks guys. |
| 00:00.49 | thewanderer1 | ChibaPet, re Lady_Aleena's issue, it seems that `readpst` is "Converts Outlook PST files to mbox and others"; dmesg probably won't work here :P |
| 00:01.10 | thewanderer1 | I'd recommend running the offender under `strace -e open` or so |
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| 00:01.24 | ScottE | Lady_Aleena: I'm willing to bet that readpst doesn't log to dmesg or the system logs. It's unlikely anyone here knows anything about that program, but perhaps it simply can't find the file or directory specified or expected? |
| 00:01.33 | ChibaPet | thewanderer1: Well, if there was some disk-access error there could be something. But yeah, it's a reach. |
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| 00:01.56 | Lady_Aleena | Well, the file permissions are okay. |
| 00:02.24 | phogg | Lady_Aleena: For that error make sure the file is readable by the user executing the program and that its directory is read+execute, etc. If readpst provides no more information than that you will probably have to resort to strace to find out exactly what went wrong. |
| 00:02.36 | phogg | Lady_Aleena: A more viable strategy might be searching via google for common issues. |
| 00:02.46 | ChibaPet | Oh, huh. readpst is in Debian. That might have been useful to be once. |
| 00:03.11 | phogg | Lady_Aleena: aha, readpst has a -d debug-file switch |
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| 00:03.28 | phogg | Lady_Aleena: so try supplying a log file name via -d and then read its contents after the failure for more information |
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| 00:04.12 | ScottE | Lady_Aleena: google has tons of results for: readpst "error opening file" |
| 00:04.21 | Lady_Aleena | phogg, all of the directories to the file are 'drwxr-xr-x' or 'drwxrwxrwx' and the file is '-rwxrwxrwx'. |
| 00:04.33 | Lady_Aleena | ScottE, thanks for looking. |
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| 00:04.52 | phogg | Lady_Aleena: More than sufficient. See what I was saying about the -d switch; that's your best bet. After that google, after that strace. |
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| 00:05.03 | phogg | strace output is not friendly if you don't know what you're looking at |
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| 00:05.46 | Lady_Aleena | googling. |
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| 00:08.00 | rascul | hello |
| 00:08.18 | rascul | my touchpad on may laptop has stopped working and i don't know why |
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| 00:09.01 | guest43242 | anyone know what is this: |
| 00:09.02 | guest43242 | ntop -d -L -u ntop -P /var/lib/ntop --access-log-file /var/log/ntop/access.log -i eth0 -p /etc/ntop/protocol.list -O /var/log/ntop |
| 00:09.38 | rascul | it's ntop, what do you mean what is it? |
| 00:09.50 | guest43242 | I see it in iotop all the time |
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| 00:10.04 | guest43242 | I don't know why it happens |
| 00:10.08 | guest43242 | I didn't run ntop |
| 00:10.16 | rascul | are you certain? |
| 00:10.25 | rascul | seems like it might be running |
| 00:10.32 | rascul | ps aux | grep ntop |
| 00:10.34 | guest43242 | it runs, but why |
| 00:10.38 | jelly-home | guest43242: you installed it, tho, and it runs as a service |
| 00:10.57 | rascul | you probably installed it and it probably automatically starts it up when you start it |
| 00:11.10 | Lady_Aleena | Do I have to create the bebug file or do you think readpst will create it for me? |
| 00:11.28 | guest43242 | notp? a service? hmmm |
| 00:11.51 | glow_wolf | I broke live builder it worked fine yesterday I did stop it useing "Ctrl + c" because I wanted to copy my installed system and i hadn't added the bootstrap to it now it stops "chroot: cannot change root directory to chroot: No such file or directory". Anyone got any ideas? |
| 00:11.58 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: almost all tools that actually have a debug file output create it on its own if needed |
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| 00:12.29 | guest43242 | ok stopped service and now it don't run |
| 00:12.42 | guest43242 | now i have gnome-terminal-server, what is that? |
| 00:14.02 | guest43242 | killed it and my terminals disappeared |
| 00:14.40 | ScottE | lol |
| 00:14.48 | ScottE | Now you know what that is |
| 00:14.55 | guest43242 | :/ yas |
| 00:15.19 | guest43242 | why is it doing io all the time though |
| 00:15.40 | jelly-home | because you were using terminals |
| 00:16.03 | guest43242 | but I didn't write to disk with them |
| 00:16.19 | guest43242 | does stdin out count in iotop? |
| 00:16.22 | jelly-home | how do you know "io" is to disk? |
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| 00:16.29 | gabo | hi ~ |
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| 00:16.56 | jelly-home | could be any kind of read() and/or write() call |
| 00:17.13 | gabo | i've done a dist-upgrade from stable to testing, changing the repositories and now some Gnome apps doesn't work |
| 00:17.13 | gabo | [ 326.692005] nautilus[10467]: segfault at 30 ip 00007fec8abe5230 sp 00007fff247aab20 error 4 in libgtk-3.so.0.800.6[7fec8a9d8000+4c3000] |
| 00:17.22 | guest43242 | I want to filter just to /dev/sdc |
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| 00:21.45 | ChibaPet | gabo: There's a channel called #debian-next on the OFTC IRC network that's explicitly for Testing and Unstable. That said, note that packages can change significantly between releases, including some going away to be replaced by others. You might be seeing the effects of this. |
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| 00:24.39 | gabo | thanks ChibaPet, i would answer in there |
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| 00:33.01 | glow_wolf | figured it out thanks anyway |
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| 00:36.46 | guest43242 | I get error: "the audio device is in use at this time OLE error 80040203" in wine |
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| 00:37.31 | ChibaPet | guest43242: My answer to that is using the PulseAudio shim for ALSA in libasound2-plugins. |
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| 00:38.57 | guest43242 | ChibaPet, ok, how? |
| 00:39.04 | guest43242 | ChibaPet, how is that done? |
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| 00:40.24 | ChibaPet | guest43242: Assuming you're using multi-arch on an amd64 system (which is what I remember you saying before) you'd say "apt-get install libasound2-plugins:i386" |
| 00:40.55 | guest43242 | ChibaPet, that has dependency issues |
| 00:41.07 | guest43242 | ChibaPet, I ahve the amd64 version |
| 00:41.17 | ChibaPet | guest43242: You should be able to install the dependencies. Should only be, what, libpulse0:i386? |
| 00:41.30 | ChibaPet | guest43242: The amd64 version isn't going to be what Wine links. |
| 00:41.49 | guest43242 | libavcodec54:i386 |
| 00:41.58 | guest43242 | libavcodec-extra-54:i386 |
| 00:42.24 | ChibaPet | guest43242: Ah, you're right. I was filtering what I was looking at over-aggressively. You should be able to let the system install all of them. |
| 00:42.41 | ChibaPet | guest43242: Or are you actually having it yell about a conflict? |
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| 00:42.50 | guest43242 | ChibaPet, it is impossible to install |
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| 00:43.14 | guest43242 | I'll show u |
| 00:43.30 | ChibaPet | in a pastebin please |
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| 00:43.42 | ChibaPet | paste.debian.net is ideal |
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| 00:45.00 | guest43242 | http://paste.debian.net/70454/ ChibaPet |
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| 00:45.47 | ChibaPet | guest43242: Could you share your /etc/apt/sources.list again please, same way? |
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| 00:47.27 | guest43242 | http://paste.debian.net/70455/ ChibaPet |
| 00:47.31 | themill | opus isn't multiarch installable |
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| 00:49.15 | ChibaPet | guest43242: You seem to be mixing testing and wheezy in there - I'd make sure to clean that up before doing too much more. In your paste, lines 30 and 44 show this. You also have both testing and Sid, also problematic. I'd try to get down to pulling packages from just one release before you work on making it more complex with multi-arch. |
| 00:49.21 | phox | hey what's the thing that builds a .deb from a sandboxed install of something |
| 00:49.35 | phox | I thought it was makepkg or something like that but I really can't remember |
| 00:50.37 | ChibaPet | themill: Is guest43242 going to need that for something? I might have missed some context. |
| 00:50.50 | themill | phox: pbuilder or cowbuilder or sbuild |
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| 00:51.26 | phox | themill: hm, thought it was something other than those. those don't ring a bell. but I'll check those out. |
| 00:51.54 | themill | ,why libasound2-plugins libopus0 --release jessie --arch i386 |
| 00:51.56 | judd | Packages libasound2-plugins and libopus0 in jessie/i386 are linked by 2 chains: libasound2-plugins ▶ libavcodec54 ▶ libopus0; libasound2-plugins ▶ libjack-jackd2-0 ▶ libopus0 |
| 00:51.59 | themill | ChibaPet, guest43242 ^^ |
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| 00:52.43 | ChibaPet | Oh, hm. I do all this on Wheezy, and libasound2-plugins on Wheezy evidently doesn't have that dependency. |
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| 00:53.33 | ChibaPet | ,why libasound2-plugins libopus0 --release wheezy --arch i386 |
| 00:53.35 | judd | No dependency chain found between packages libasound2-plugins and libopus0 in wheezy/i386. |
| 00:53.41 | phox | anyone else? |
| 00:54.00 | ChibaPet | guest43242: Going back to a much earlier comment I made, I think your particular situation would be much happier with Wheezy. |
| 00:54.16 | phox | themill: or do you have other suggestions for what this might be? it doesn't require a clean environment or install scripts or anything, it just pillages stuff from a dir set up typically with configure --prefix=whatever |
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| 00:54.50 | themill | phox: oh, do you mean checkinstall? |
| 00:54.54 | pero | is gnome 3.10 in experimental? |
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| 00:55.11 | guest43242 | ChibaPet, if I throw away my system, I am going to put freebsd, and then windows xp. |
| 00:55.18 | phox | themill: that sounds right |
| 00:55.21 | phox | themill: cool, thanks |
| 00:55.29 | ChibaPet | pero: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnome&searchon=names&suite=experimental§ion=all |
| 00:55.52 | themill | guest43242: you'll need to rebuild opus to be multiarch aware if you want to do this. See #674467 |
| 00:56.10 | ChibaPet | guest43242: I'm just saying that you're making a whole lot of extra work for yourself the way you're doing it now. |
| 00:57.09 | ChibaPet | guest43242: Also, you shouldn't need Windows if you use FreeBSD - they also support Wine and pretty much everything you're trying to accomplish here, albeit with a different soundsystem. Again, it'll be a bit more work than with Debian Wheezy. |
| 00:57.14 | guest43242 | ChibaPet, reinstalling is also lots of work |
| 00:57.52 | pero | ChibaPet: thanks but i'm not sure what that means - if i look at that page's equivalent for sid, there are tons more packages - is that a no? |
| 00:57.57 | guest43242 | ChibaPet, configuring everything |
| 00:58.00 | guest43242 | again |
| 00:58.07 | guest43242 | etc |
| 00:58.11 | guest43242 | I don't knwo |
| 00:58.31 | guest43242 | I am not so bad with computers |
| 00:58.33 | ChibaPet | pero: You'd asked explicitly about something in Experimental, and there it is. :) Sid is generally going to have a bunch more stuff given what it is. |
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| 00:59.14 | pero | ChibaPet: i guess what i'm asking is if i can force an install of 3.10 by using the experimental repo |
| 00:59.53 | ChibaPet | guest43242: You have at least some pain getting from where you are to where you need to be to have everything working. It's really a matter of choosing which pain... You've noted several options and themill has listed one that'll help you with opus if you want to continue on your current platform. You just have to decide how you want to attack the problem. |
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| 01:00.44 | ChibaPet | pero: Well, as much of 3.10 as is in there now, but I'd expect things in experimental to break. And certainly, what's in experimental now looks like an incomplete collection. |
| 01:00.54 | phox | we run pretty bleeding-edge kernels and we just build them from the k.o packages and make deb-pkg |
| 01:00.56 | guest43242 | and I like having the latest versions, it sucks to go the #program-name and ask oh, I have this problem, and then they say 'oh what version do you have?' and I say 'it is version x.y.z' and they reply 'oh , that is a very very old version, try a newer version, and see if it is fixed there', and then I go 'oh, but I use debian stable, and I use only 4 year old versions' and they go ' oh sorry, we can't help u, we only support from ver |
| 01:00.57 | guest43242 | sion a.b.c.d, and that is about 2 years after the version u use.' |
| 01:01.23 | ChibaPet | Oh, there's a nifty factlet one of the bots knows for this... |
| 01:01.39 | phox | is it like ,go-run-gentoo :P |
| 01:01.54 | ChibaPet | !tell guest43242 about sns |
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| 01:03.32 | guest43242 | ChibaPet, it is not sns, bugs are fixed in each program in new versions, in stable I was stuck with bugs |
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| 01:04.02 | guest43242 | ChibaPet, I think there is a serious difference between programs and OS stuff |
| 01:04.06 | pero | ChibaPet: thx |
| 01:04.29 | guest43242 | ChibaPet, in windows new versions of software are available, for old OS versions |
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| 01:04.56 | guest43242 | ChibaPet, here, I have to wait years to get the current version of any program |
| 01:05.01 | themill | guest43242: and you're also supposed to spend hours keeping it up to date yourself. |
| 01:05.27 | ChibaPet | guest43242: This edges towards philosophy, but I really just like getting stuff done. It's not too often that I find myself pining for new features of things that I can't have because I'm using older software. In those rare cases (Wine, for instance) I use a nice stable platform and just build that one bit myself. |
| 01:05.31 | themill | guest43242: but if this is a problem for you, then you've already found a way of solving it -- you're running debian's testing release. |
| 01:06.07 | guest43242 | ChibaPet, and it isn't like the old versions were a classic masterpiece of art, that are worth sticking up with forever, they had bugs, that probably were fixed |
| 01:06.12 | ChibaPet | themill: He's also got Sid in his sources.list, and Wheezy. It's a bit of a Frankendebian. |
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| 01:06.48 | ChibaPet | guest43242: Do you have specific examples? Depending on what they are, there are likely lots of solutions. |
| 01:07.47 | ChibaPet | guest43242: I say this as someone who uses this stuff daily for my work and also for fun. Serious bugs would be a real problem for me in several contexts, but I tend not to see them very often. When I do, I whine about them in bug reports, and most of the time they do tend to get fixed. |
| 01:08.05 | guest43242 | well, I wanted to use aegisub at one point, aegisub is version 2.something, and it crash all the time, they fixed it but the new version just didn't compile |
| 01:09.28 | guest43242 | they tried to help me, but there was some thing they didn't know to solve |
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| 01:09.37 | ChibaPet | guest43242: half a sec |
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| 01:11.13 | guest43242 | in the end I just ran aegisub on windows |
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| 01:11.31 | guest43242 | on some other computer |
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| 01:14.04 | ChibaPet | guest43242: I haven't finished yet, but on a Wheezy box here I'm building the wx dependencies (from the Debian source package from Jessie) for aegisub, after which I'm going to see how painful it is to get Aegisub to build. Jessie has 3.0, so I'd ought to end up with 3.0 on my nice happy stable Wheezy system if it all works. I'll tell you when it's done building. For what it's worth, this is all Debian packages, so I'm not having to go too far out |
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| 01:14.53 | guest43242 | aha |
| 01:15.14 | guest43242 | when I did it there wasn't a debian package for it, I got the source from the website |
| 01:15.17 | ChibaPet | guest43242: I've got a source.list that's just Wheezy except for sources, so I can get Jessie source packages, and everything is some variation of "apt-get build-dep somepackage" and "apt-get source somepackage" and "dpkg-buildpackage". |
| 01:16.05 | ChibaPet | guest43242: The advantage to using the Debian packages is that they do a really significant amount of work for you. But, that said, I suspect your system's going to present some difficulties, since you've got packages coming from a number of sources. |
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| 01:16.48 | guest43242 | I removed wheezy now, and I set the preferred distribution to testing |
| 01:17.05 | guest43242 | sid is jut for some things |
| 01:17.14 | guest43242 | with apt-get -t sid |
| 01:17.55 | phox | apt-get -t sid is dangerous because you get Sid deps that didn't need to be from Sid |
| 01:17.59 | phox | I'd recommend pinning for that. |
| 01:18.37 | guest43242 | oh, i didn't know that, people told me to do it like that with -t sid |
| 01:19.52 | guest43242 | how is pinning done? phox |
| 01:20.06 | phox | in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ or whatever |
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| 01:20.14 | ChibaPet | guest43242: I'd really strongly recommend against pinning. You really want to learn how to use a normal Debian first. |
| 01:20.23 | phox | there's a whole doc on it, and it doesn't -quite- work in a way that I'd like, but it generally does what it needs to do. |
| 01:20.32 | phox | normal Debian is broken, so... *shrug* |
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| 01:21.15 | guest43242 | well it is ok, I was depressed to begin with so I dont mind |
| 01:22.04 | ChibaPet | guest43242: The proper use of Testing in my humble opinion is to find bugs in it to report. That's why I'm running it at the moment on one (non-critical) box. |
| 01:22.58 | guest43242 | ChibaPet, much of the bugs I find, I wonder why there is not a test script that find it. |
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| 01:23.47 | guest43242 | if I think of it, are there test scripts packages? |
| 01:23.59 | guest43242 | at all? |
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| 01:25.32 | guest43242 | i don't remember seeing any package and package-test-script in the packages lists |
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| 01:25.47 | ChibaPet | guest43242: I'm not sure how much rigor is imposed. I suspect that it's really up to the upstream to provide a test harness. I'm not the person to ask, as yet. |
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| 01:29.42 | ChibaPet | guest43242: Alright, so far I've got all the build dependencies for Aegisub 3 correctly installed on my Wheezy box, all build using Debian Jessie source packages. Aegisub is building now. I'll tell you how it goes. And I'd suggest that you'll have a very pleasant, happy experience if you crank back to Wheezy and use that as a base for Aegisub, Wine, and a number of other things. |
| 01:31.18 | ChibaPet | guest43242: Also, Aegisub issues a number of warnings while compiling that have nothing at all to do with Debian. Seems like careless coding. |
| 01:31.25 | phox | ChibaPet: Wheezy is the version that shipped with broken GRUB :P That's just an embarrassing scar for Debian's release dogma =/ |
| 01:31.43 | phox | wasted a bunch of my time sorting that one out |
| 01:32.03 | ChibaPet | phox: The only oddity I know of is that it wouldn't boot FreeBSD AMD64 directly. What issue did you have with it? |
| 01:32.24 | ChibaPet | (And if it's that, then chain-booting worked fine, rendering it an annoyance but not a bad one.) |
| 01:32.25 | phox | ChibaPet: I don't remember the exact symptom but it didn't work on AMD64, with Linux not FBSD |
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| 01:32.46 | phox | it shipped with 1.99, which is a prerelease version, which obviously should not be shipping in a "stable" distro :l |
| 01:33.16 | phox | unfortunately in this case the dogmatic belief that "mouldy == stable" prevailed |
| 01:33.51 | themill | phox: all versions of all packages have some bugs |
| 01:34.10 | rryoumaa | is jessie any more problematic than previous testings? |
| 01:34.13 | phox | themill: and stubbornly ignoring upstream fixes prior to a final upstream release is really dumb |
| 01:34.48 | phox | themill: upstream is _going to_ have a closer eye on sanity of various versions, to their release schedule is a better heuristic than "aged for 12 months" |
| 01:35.13 | themill | phox: that's not really what happened and that's also not true for most upstreams. But whatever. |
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| 01:35.54 | phox | an upstream fix was overlooked and excluded from being pushed into Wheezy prior to release, which is just not very smart. I twas a known issue upstream, so if anyone read the upstream changelogs before releasing Wheezy... |
| 01:36.30 | ChibaPet | guest43242: So, the Aegisub 3 package successfully built and installed on my Wheezy. Unfortunately it insists on finding a session manager to run and I don't run one, but I have no reason to believe it would have issues. |
| 01:36.50 | guest43242 | ok |
| 01:38.33 | themill | phox: so, at the last minute before release, it's a good idea to suddenly import a new bootloader which fixes some bugs and probably introduces new ones? or is it better to stick with the one that you know is already working for most people. There's no right answer to that question. |
| 01:39.01 | phox | themill: it was fixed for I think the better part of the year since version-freeze |
| 01:39.39 | wes_incredible | themill: No easy answer. Of course developers don't ONLY fix bugs or ONLY add features in a release. Every release is a mixed bag. On balance, waiting to upgrade seems to result in more stability. |
| 01:39.43 | phox | like, I think it came out upstream within a month of the version freeze. maybe even slightly before. it was around there. |
| 01:39.56 | phox | themill: but point was, this is why distros have locally patched stuff. |
| 01:39.56 | themill | wes_incredible: I don't need convincing of that. |
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| 01:40.22 | phox | so you go "hey yeah this is actually a f***up" and apply the relevant patch, instead of jumping versions and seeing what else comes along for the ride |
| 01:40.28 | phox | thus why I mentioned changelogs above :) |
| 01:40.36 | phox | anyways, time to go home |
| 01:40.50 | ChibaPet | Same here actually. I may or may not be back on from home. o/ |
| 01:40.56 | themill | phox: that assumes that the patches are simple and self-contained and not dependent on other stuff. That's often not the case. |
| 01:41.07 | phox | themill: dependent on other stuff? this is GRUB. |
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| 01:41.18 | phox | and most bugfix patches do not change deps whatsoever |
| 01:41.20 | themill | phox: other changes that have been made |
| 01:41.24 | phox | the overwhelming majority of them |
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| 01:41.55 | themill | you can't simply pull any random patch and apply it and expect it to work. Other patches start coming along for the ride, as you put it. |
| 01:44.32 | phox | I said pull a patch, not a VCS version |
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| 01:44.37 | phox | makes a face |
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| 01:45.17 | themill | It's quite common that you can't just pull a single patch like that any any non-trivial piece of software. |
| 01:45.19 | phox | scratches himself |
| 01:45.23 | phox | anyone else smell straw? :P |
| 01:45.55 | phox | when it's a simple "whoops I provided the wrong arguments here" or whatever brainfart mistake, not an architectural issue, odds are you can either pull or it make the equivalent fix |
| 01:46.07 | phox | and again, changelogs would guide whether the fix is important enough |
| 01:46.17 | themill | changelogs don't tell you whether you can backport the patch |
| 01:46.29 | phox | I didn't say that |
| 01:46.40 | phox | figuring that out given a sufficiently important fix, however, is not that difficult |
| 01:46.53 | themill | so we're in agreement that this isn't a trivial thing and we should move on then |
| 01:47.14 | phox | not so much. |
| 01:48.53 | phox | but, it's time for me to go home. suffice it to say that I don't see eye to eye with Debian's "how to make a release stable in an efficient way" ideology. |
| 01:49.02 | phox | and/or the package maintainer screwed up here. |
| 01:49.25 | themill | Thank you for your contribution to Debian. |
| 01:49.32 | phox | heh |
| 01:50.02 | phox | my contribution to Debian is bugreports, of which I don't think any have been fixed. obviously I know Debian is kinda shorthanded now that Ubuntu is doing what it's doing. |
| 01:50.32 | phox | well, and/or the geospatial package "maintainers" are just totally MIA |
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| 02:01.31 | petn-randall | phox: So you're stepping up? |
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| 02:42.55 | reavengrey | I forgot: if I want to have a particular service stop running at startup |
| 02:43.00 | reavengrey | I use update-rc.d? |
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| 02:43.16 | reavengrey | For example, update-rc.d apache2 stop ? |
| 02:43.21 | k_sze[work] | I can't break out of cron's bare environment. :/ |
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| 02:44.38 | somiaj | reavengrey: you want to use disable |
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| 02:44.45 | somiaj | disable will make it so it is not run at startup |
| 02:44.57 | somiaj | but you can still manually start/stop it iwth /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 02:45.03 | k_sze[work] | I'm trying to schedule some python commands in my user crontab, but it just won't find the modules. |
| 02:45.14 | somiaj | reavengrey: also you want invoke-rc.d (that actually runs the script) update-rc.d just manages if the script is run at certain run levels |
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| 02:46.13 | reavengrey | somiaj: To stop it from running on startup indefinitely |
| 02:46.19 | reavengrey | As in, remove it from the runlevels list |
| 02:46.27 | somiaj | reavengrey: that is what I told you to difrst |
| 02:46.34 | somiaj | reavengrey: update-rc.d apache2 disable |
| 02:46.40 | reavengrey | K, right thanks then |
| 02:46.40 | somiaj | reavengrey: then run invoke-rc.d apache2 stop |
| 02:46.52 | somiaj | (that way it stops it running right now and not at next boot) |
| 02:47.18 | reavengrey | Right, thanks a lot, my bad there |
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| 02:48.15 | k_sze[work] | I remember reading something about some configuration in Debian that prevents user crontab from running as though it is in a regular shell environment. |
| 02:48.24 | k_sze[work] | I can't remember what's the name of the configuration. |
| 02:48.29 | somiaj | k_sze[work]: sounds like a path issue, can you give the full module path ot your python script? |
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| 02:48.51 | somiaj | I don't know python well enough to say excatly what you need to set, but it is probabaly 'python module path' look that up in google |
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| 02:49.21 | k_sze[work] | somiaj: I know it has to do with path issue. |
| 02:49.36 | k_sze[work] | I've tried everything I know to try to fix the path. |
| 02:50.00 | somiaj | quick google search gave me the env variable PYTHONPATH |
| 02:50.25 | somiaj | so try to put PYTHONPATH=correct path in your script, see if that helps |
| 02:50.50 | k_sze[work] | I even tried wrapping everything in a bash script, activating the virtualenv in the script, setting and exporting the PYTHONPATH. Still doesn't solve my problem. |
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| 02:51.03 | CheckDavid | Does anyone here know how to install Django? |
| 02:51.09 | somiaj | does the script run just fine as your user? |
| 02:51.26 | somiaj | CheckDavid: are you talking about the python-django package? |
| 02:51.28 | k_sze[work] | yes it does |
| 02:51.34 | k_sze[work] | it runs just find in a login shell |
| 02:51.37 | abrotman | CheckDavid: besides with apt ? |
| 02:51.47 | somiaj | k_sze[work]: strange, yea I can't think of what the issue is then and have to leave, best of luck. |
| 02:52.19 | k_sze[work] | It seems that cron tends to cause problems with its bare environment thing. |
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| 02:55.08 | k_sze[work] | The strangest part of all is that it actually finds *some* modules, but not the rest. |
| 02:55.25 | CheckDavid | abrotman, just anyway |
| 02:55.27 | k_sze[work] | otherwise the django manage.py wouldn't even run in the first place. |
| 02:55.46 | CheckDavid | somiaj, not sure, It sounds like it, I want the framework to do a tutorial |
| 02:55.46 | k_sze[work] | so the manage.py runs, but it complains about not finding the management command. |
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| 02:56.05 | k_sze[work] | CheckDavid: pip |
| 02:56.15 | CheckDavid | oh pip |
| 02:56.28 | CheckDavid | pip is just a python thing right? |
| 02:56.32 | k_sze[work] | yes |
| 02:56.40 | CheckDavid | pip what? pip django? |
| 02:56.46 | k_sze[work] | pip install Django |
| 02:57.03 | CheckDavid | oh yes that |
| 02:57.14 | CheckDavid | woo thanks k_sze[work] |
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| 03:01.45 | abrotman | or use the dpkg .. |
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| 03:06.23 | guest43242 | btw, managed to install the i386 from sid |
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| 03:12.33 | guest43242 | ChibaPet, ^ |
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| 03:25.58 | alusion | what does this mean |
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| 03:38.45 | guest43242 | I am doing a bonnie++ benchmark on my HDD, could someone run the same for comparison? |
| 03:39.03 | guest43242 | bonnie++ -d /tmp -r 2048 -b -u myusername |
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| 03:39.31 | guest43242 | where /tmp is on the system disk |
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| 03:42.19 | zophy | how do i capture the audio being played through my speakers into a file ? |
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| 03:42.46 | guest43242 | zophy, I recorded with audacity |
| 03:42.56 | zophy | in real time, and not stop the audio from the speakers |
| 03:43.15 | ObrienDave | zophy, https://launchpad.net/audio-recorder |
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| 03:56.16 | guest43242 | is this bonnie++ result any good: http://paste.debian.net/70463/ |
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| 03:57.43 | gic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:12.02 | chrisb | what's this static lib: /lib/klibc-HbwgcZxB_GLhMVwT8H7KoY3Ybas.so |
| 04:12.44 | somiaj | chrisb: dpkg -S that, that will tell you if it came from a .deb on your system. If it didn't I would be weary of such a thing. |
| 04:13.32 | chrisb | lintian report here: http://lintian.debian.org/full/maks@debian.org.html |
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| 04:15.03 | chrisb | dpkg -S shows from package libklibc |
| 04:15.03 | dpkg | Package: shows from package libklibc: Status: install ok installed |
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| 04:15.27 | somiaj | that is the package that owns that lib, so it should help you figure out what it is. |
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| 04:23.47 | i-r-c-d | Virtual packages like 'ircd' can't be removed - How do I remove a "virtual package" like this? |
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| 04:43.10 | tertu | would modern debian be suitable for running on an obsolete late-90s office PC |
| 04:43.29 | sithfm | there wasnt a new release todya was there? on update of my jessie/sid system, i'm seeing like 283 upgradable packages, but am also getting a lot of hash sum mismatches |
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| 04:44.00 | sithfm | oh, nevermind |
| 04:44.02 | sithfm | 23 |
| 04:44.03 | sithfm | lol |
| 04:44.35 | tertu | with, say, LXDE or fvwm installed |
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| 04:45.28 | sithfm | sure tertu |
| 04:45.31 | themill | tertu: as long as you're not expecting it to break the land-speed record, sure. |
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| 04:46.10 | guest43242 | can anyone run bonnie++ for comparison: http://paste.debian.net/70463/ |
| 04:46.24 | guest43242 | ? |
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| 05:02.26 | guston | guest43242, http://paste.debian.net/70465/ |
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| 05:05.25 | linus_ | hi, can anyone paste me his mirror list plz? |
| 05:06.19 | guston | linus_, http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
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| 05:08.19 | linus_ | guston: my location (Rgypt)is not listed.what would i choose? |
| 05:08.31 | linus_ | guston: my location (Egypt)is not listed.what would i choose? |
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| 05:09.45 | LtL | linus_: mirrors list or sources.list |
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| 05:10.56 | linus_ | what 2 set country ro? |
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| 05:11.04 | linus_ | what 2 set country to? |
| 05:11.39 | guston | linus_, a country close to your country |
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| 05:13.21 | LtL | linus_: use germany, it smokes.. or use geo-ip direction. e.g. deb http://http.debian.net/debian stable main |
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| 05:13.43 | linus_ | guston: ok ,ok |
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| 05:20.27 | themill | guston, linus_: please don't use debgen, it's pretty crap |
| 05:20.39 | guston | oh |
| 05:20.57 | guston | is there a beter one? |
| 05:21.10 | themill | dpkg: tell guston about wheezy sources.list |
| 05:21.15 | themill | that's all that's needed |
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| 05:22.25 | guston | ty |
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| 05:24.53 | guston | dpkg: tell guston about testing sources.list |
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| 05:25.48 | themill | guston: you can just /msg dpkg keywords |
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| 05:28.15 | memstronope | Hello. I have a question regarding installing wheezy from a live usb |
| 05:29.07 | memstronope | Could I use one of the partitions on my external hard drive as a live usb? |
| 05:32.04 | socomm | memstronope: possibly |
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| 05:37.44 | memstronope | Okay, I guess I'll try it. |
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| 05:43.02 | guest43242 | thanks guston, your disk seem faster than mine. Is it a regular SATA spin disk? |
| 05:44.03 | guston | guest43242, no, its a ssd |
| 05:44.09 | guest43242 | ah |
| 05:44.55 | guest43242 | it has lower latencies |
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| 05:56.09 | Improv | What's the right way to change the default pre-login Xorg settings for how monitors are configured? Right now Debian's giving me a desktop that spans my displays and I want it to mirror by default instead. |
| 05:56.44 | Guest56788 | hi, how could i change the hostname? |
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| 05:56.57 | Improv | Guest: Edit /etc/hostname and it'll be fixed on next boot. |
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| 06:04.52 | Guest56788 | i got this message'E: Malformed line 5 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) E: The list of sources could not be read.' how to fix this? |
| 06:05.25 | bazhang | comment out that line with a # |
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| 06:08.37 | Guest56788 | i got this message'E: Malformed line 5 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) E: The list of sources could not be read.' how to fix this? |
| 06:09.10 | Guest56788 | ? |
| 06:11.57 | themill | Guest56788: by fixing the syntax. (If you want more detail than that, perhaps you should show more information in a pastebin -- we're not mind-readers) |
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| 06:15.25 | Guest56788 | themill: here , http://dpaste.com/1501194/ |
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| 06:16.44 | themill | dpkg: tell Guest56788 about wheezy sources.list |
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| 06:17.30 | themill | Guest56788: you're missing the components you want (for example, main contrib non-free) after the release name (stable) on lines 4 and 5. In addition, you should use "wheezy" in your sources.list not "stable". |
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| 06:25.45 | scottj | When I run "foo 1> out" I get more text in out than when I run "foo 1> out 2> err", what does that mean? |
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| 06:28.18 | Guest56788 | themill: will u paste me your list? |
| 06:28.28 | themill | Guest56788: dpkg just gave you it |
| 06:28.53 | k_sze[work] | Why is there no USER environment variable when a cron job runs? |
| 06:29.03 | scottj | opps, it's the opposite. if I just redirect stdout, then its fine with the extra text printed to screen. but if I redirect stderr somewhere then that extra text actually goes to stdout |
| 06:29.09 | k_sze[work] | (for a cron job in my user crontab, not the root crontab) |
| 06:29.25 | Guest56788 | u mean i could take these 3 lines unchanged? |
| 06:30.50 | Guest56788 | themill: u mean i could take these 3 lines unchanged? |
| 06:30.59 | themill | yes |
| 06:31.04 | k_sze[work] | How do I even prove that cron is running a job as me if there is no USER environment variable? |
| 06:31.06 | Guest56788 | ok ,thanx |
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| 06:32.30 | themill | k_sze[work]: cron sets LOGNAME but I'm curious why a cron job would need to know who is running it |
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| 06:37.57 | themill | scottj: don't suppose you could pastebin some further details |
| 06:38.03 | Guest56788 | themill: Current status: 35107 new [+34318]. |
| 06:39.45 | Guest56788 | themill: should i run 'apt-get dist-upgrade 'now? |
| 06:39.52 | scottj | themill: not really, but thanks for reading it |
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| 06:56.05 | k_sze[work] | themill: not that the cron job needs to know. I just need prove that a cron job is running as me. |
| 06:56.57 | k_sze[work] | themill: so yes, I got the LOGNAME output from the script of the cron job, it correctly identifies as me, but there are still things not working. |
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| 07:23.03 | Thugula | Hi. |
| 07:23.21 | Thugula | When I start my Linux distro, It doesn't boot up. It stays in black, what the fuck is going on. |
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| 07:48.20 | voxadam | <rant> I just spent the better part of an hour trying to mirror (RAID1) my primary/boot drive in Windows. There's nothing too special about the drive, 3TB, 1 EFI System Partition, 3 NTFS partitions, just a regular drive. My second drive is identical to the primary. But, it turns out that it's impossible to make Windows boot drives (or any of their other partitions) part of a mirror set. Insanity. |
| 07:48.20 | voxadam | </rant> |
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| 07:58.14 | zzing | Can I force a package of a certain name that doesn't exist to look like it is installed? |
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| 07:58.49 | themill | zzing: what are you *really* trying to do here? |
| 07:59.39 | zzing | I have a package that depends on libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8k-1) which doesn't exist or is unavailable. These are dell system packages I am installing. |
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| 08:00.25 | themill | if those packages actually link to that library, then it needs to be installed -- just substituting a newer version probably doesn't work |
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| 08:00.41 | zzing | I will try a source install from oldstable, it has that package |
| 08:01.15 | themill | zzing: you can probably just grab the binary package from squeeze and install it. My memory is that it is coinstallable with the newer package from wheezy. |
| 08:01.26 | themill | in the long term, please cluebat dell. Hard. Repeatedly. |
| 08:01.42 | zzing | I would like to |
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| 08:02.10 | zzing | I have an iDRAC (IPMI) that is corrupted, imagine my pain of trying to fix it when they only support RHEL with packages directly. |
| 08:02.35 | themill | I'm sure that's fun if you're into that sort of thing. |
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| 08:03.45 | zzing | It appears you are right - no problem so far |
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| 08:19.51 | lalala_oops | i ran sudo update-grub to get'[sudo] password for deepblue: deepblue is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.'how to fix this? |
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| 08:20.29 | lalala_oops | i ran 'sudo update-grub' to get'[sudo] password for deepblue: deepblue is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.'how to fix this? |
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| 08:25.39 | knightshade | lalala_oops: add your user to the sudo group |
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| 08:25.59 | knightshade | lalala_oops: https://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
| 08:26.03 | grep0r | lalala_oops, you are not on sudoers probably |
| 08:26.22 | lalala_oops | ok,thanx |
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| 08:30.04 | lalala_oops | ok ,now after installing Debian,there is no GRUB menuentry for FreeBSD.sudo update-grub did'nt work.what could fix this? |
| 08:30.24 | lalala_oops | ok ,now after installing Debian,there is no GRUB menuentry for FreeBSD.sudo update-grub didn't work.what could fix this? |
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| 08:57.46 | grep0r | lalala_oops, you have to edit grub2 and add entry for freebsd |
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| 08:59.00 | lalala_oops | grep0r:the FBSD partition have ni uuid |
| 08:59.08 | lalala_oops | grep0r:the FBSD partition have no uuid |
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| 09:07.53 | grep0r | lalala_oops, from what i know FBSD use labels you probably have to edit /etc/fstab . |
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| 09:14.54 | Sargun | Which group of developers is responsible for the package "ifupdown" |
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| 09:24.24 | Iridos | Sargun, apt-cache show ifupdown |grep Maint from the commandline... or http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/ifupdown look at the right. (note that scripts are in ifupdown-extra) |
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| 09:25.11 | Sargun | Iridos: Thanks |
| 09:25.59 | madmac2501 | at what point in the installation process of a package the dirs in debian/dirs are created? |
| 09:26.30 | wols | what debian/dirs ? |
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| 09:27.05 | madmac2501 | inside a debian package structure |
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| 09:29.49 | themill | Sargun: however, bug reports should go to the bug tracker -- use reportbug to report them. |
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| 09:31.06 | themill | madmac2501: they're made by dh_installdirs -- so whenever that is called. (that depends on what the packaging does) |
| 09:31.37 | Sargun | themill: Its a behaviour issue, not a "bug" perse. Additionally, I'm the horrible person using a debian derivative, and would rather not have them fix the issue (so reportbug if failing) |
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| 09:32.11 | themill | Sargun: probably best to start with your derivative then |
| 09:32.17 | madmac2501 | themill, my doubt is in the installation process |
| 09:32.34 | themill | madmac2501: installation of the .deb ? |
| 09:32.41 | madmac2501 | themill, yes |
| 09:33.10 | themill | madmac2501: the directories are shipped in the tarball so they are created when the package is unpacked |
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| 09:33.40 | bgy | hi |
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| 09:34.25 | bgy | I'm willing to create my first debian package for a tools I'm doing, I'm reading https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging, the first is "mv tar …" I'm wondering if there are any tools to automate this? or should I write a script myself? |
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| 09:35.38 | Guest15472 | grep0r, ok,it worked.thanx a lot |
| 09:35.50 | themill | bgy: you only do this once per package so it's not really worth automating. That said, if you use svn or git for your packaging, then the relevant tools to handle the packaging will also do that step for you |
| 09:36.09 | madmac2501 | themill, I have a preinst that does "/etc/snort/database.conf" and it fails |
| 09:36.10 | bgy | themill, yeah my project is on github |
| 09:36.20 | bgy | I'd like to automate the whole distribution process |
| 09:36.52 | themill | madmac2501: preinst runs before the package is unpacked. That's what the "pre" bit means there. |
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| 09:37.08 | madmac2501 | themill, thank you, then that is the reason why it fails |
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| 09:37.38 | themill | madmac2501: what are you doing in preinst? |
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| 09:38.43 | afidegnum | hello, pls how do I compress all item of 'special' directory to special.zip or special.tar ? |
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| 09:38.51 | madmac2501 | themill, /etc/snort/database.conf |
| 09:38.55 | madmac2501 | it is a old snort package |
| 09:39.07 | grep0r | lalala_oops you were as guest that thank me? |
| 09:39.44 | madmac2501 | themill, a touch of that file |
| 09:39.47 | lalala_oops | grep0r, yep,that was me |
| 09:40.46 | themill | madmac2501: any reason not to do it in postinst? Or to ship the file in /etc? |
| 09:40.48 | grep0r | lalala_oops, your welcome nice to hear it works. Debian has two kernels one is kfreeBSD |
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| 09:41.04 | lalala_oops | i can't add arabic to keyboard layout.the add button is deactivated |
| 09:41.08 | madmac2501 | themill, no, not any, I think it is a bug in that old snort package |
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| 09:41.16 | afidegnum | any anser ? |
| 09:41.22 | themill | madmac2501: oh, this is in an old debian package? which version? |
| 09:41.31 | lalala_oops | grep0r, don't forget the Hurd |
| 09:41.33 | themill | madmac2501: sorry, I though this was a package you were working on now |
| 09:42.12 | madmac2501 | themill, 2.9.3.1-4, no sorry because of the misunderstanding |
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| 09:43.38 | themill | madmac2501: that package certainly has more than its share of configuration file handling bugs |
| 09:44.07 | lalala_oops | ok,it's fixed now |
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| 09:44.28 | grep0r | awesome :) |
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| 10:32.53 | is_null | hi all, is there any way to get python3.3 in debian without compiling it myself ? |
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| 10:33.08 | is_null | i just tried wheezy-backports and it's still at 3.2 :D |
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| 10:37.21 | is_null | python 3.4 will be out in no time and we still don't have 3.3 xD |
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| 10:46.42 | is_null | man i'm on single core via nano ... this is going to take a lot of time .. |
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| 10:52.28 | drhouse123 | S0NiC: Hi |
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| 10:53.55 | Xat` | I mount a Windows share in my Linux server and reshare it through Samba. Using Samba, I'm able to create, delete, write files and directories but I can't rename them : NT_STATUS_OBJECT_NAME_NOT_FOUND renaming files \test2 -> \test |
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| 10:55.10 | forcer | ,v python3.3 |
| 10:55.12 | judd | Package: python3.3 on i386 -- jessie: 3.3.3-3; sid: 3.3.3-4 |
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| 10:56.31 | forcer | is_null: You're missing it in Wheezy? |
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| 10:59.12 | wols | python 2.7 and 3.x is a bit different. not so easy to switch everything due to all the extensions for python |
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| 11:00.45 | forcer | wols: A lot of the big packages now support both. With 2.7 and 3.3, they also introduced a lot of stuff to make porting easier. Together with the six library, things are a lot easier than they used to. :-) |
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| 11:02.55 | forcer | is_null: Doesn't look like as if 3.3 is in wheezy-backports, so compiling it yourself is likely the best option right now |
| 11:03.29 | forcer | !tell is_null about ssb |
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| 11:04.29 | babilen | I would compile it manually and install it to /usr/local (managed with stow (cf. "/msg dpkg stow usage")), remove /usr/local/bin/python and manage the environment with virtualenv and pip |
| 11:04.50 | babilen | ah, no /usr/local/bin/python in this case :) |
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| 11:04.52 | user-X | Hello. Have a Q... Can I do something like this: feh --info date ~/Obrazy/tapety/4330.jpg, on background like: feh --bg-fill ~/Obrazy/tapety/4330.jpg. I know I can just save image and later do --bg... but I searching other solution. |
| 11:04.58 | is_null | wols: i don't know how all other distros did it, but they did it well |
| 11:05.17 | babilen | is_null: Did what exactly? |
| 11:05.28 | is_null | upgrade python3 packages to python 3.3 |
| 11:05.41 | is_null | when 3.4's beta has been out for a month |
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| 11:05.51 | is_null | maybe next year debian will have 3.3 in backports |
| 11:05.54 | forcer | is_null: python3.3 is in sid and jessie |
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| 11:06.33 | babilen | is_null: wheezy is a stable release which means "not changing" in the context of Debian. There will *never* be a newer version of the python3 package in it. |
| 11:06.48 | is_null | ok, did i mention that i tried backports ? |
| 11:06.59 | babilen | yes, it has not been backported |
| 11:07.47 | is_null | ok, thanks for your answers, i've got it up and running my way |
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| 11:08.13 | is_null | it didn't take so long, python is such a great software |
| 11:09.11 | babilen | is_null: Compiling it is not too hard and that is what I would recommend to you at this point. If you are interested *why* that version hasn't been backported (yet?) then you might want to ask in #debian-python on irc.oftc.net -- Note that reasons might range from: "Nobody done the work" to "not technically feasible" |
| 11:09.23 | Xat` | I mount a Windows share in my Linux server and reshare it through Samba. Using Samba, I'm able to create, delete, write files and directories but I can't rename them : NT_STATUS_OBJECT_NAME_NOT_FOUND renaming files \test2 -> \test . Trying to rename it through shell success |
| 11:09.35 | is_null | for your defence i'll say that my debian server has the highest uptime |
| 11:09.38 | babilen | Xat`: Try #samba too |
| 11:09.38 | forcer | Yeah, I have local installs for 2.5, 2.6, 2.7, 3.3, and some recent 3.4 candidate for testing. It's quite fast to compile them all. |
| 11:09.58 | Xat` | babilen: yeah of course |
| 11:10.06 | babilen | is_null: I hope that you didn't miss any kernel updates :) |
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| 11:10.42 | is_null | when security is mission critical i don't choose debian so i don't worry about it so much |
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| 11:11.26 | babilen | interesting approach. lets move on |
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| 11:13.32 | is_null | again, thanks for your time and attention |
| 11:13.47 | is_null | forcer: true, even on that single core via nano it took like 20 minutes |
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| 11:24.52 | pengunix | Interesting question: Can I somehow get a list of all installed debian packages and their current version and then compare those version numbers with the current ones of a repository? |
| 11:25.12 | pengunix | With other words, is there a command like apt-get upgrades-available ? |
| 11:25.38 | babilen | pengunix: "aptitude search '~U'" shows available upgrades |
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| 11:32.16 | _MoneY_ | Hello, I do have a python script which should never stop. but over the night (i dont know why) the script has been stopped. Now my question: Is there any posibility to check script is running and if process is no longer running start it ? |
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| 11:36.13 | Hukka | _MoneY_: You can use ps to check for running processes |
| 11:36.26 | Hukka | And you could make a script that checks if it's running, and starts it if not, and put that to cron |
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| 11:44.14 | arun_ | hi guys !!! |
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| 11:50.33 | Jan\ | how can I set the audio input to stereo mix ? |
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| 11:55.03 | _MoneY_ | Hukka: and how to grep only the pid from my script? using "ps aux" ? |
| 11:56.03 | Hukka | You can make your script write the pid to a known location, or grep the script name |
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| 12:08.27 | jelly | _MoneY_: use pgrep |
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| 12:08.44 | debianita | hello, I had some problems for make an install withthe auto mode from LVM with crypted partitions |
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| 12:09.15 | debianita | I tried by manual and the same problem, in exchange if I not use crypted works nice, without problem |
| 12:09.16 | jelly | _MoneY_: alternatively instead of writing your own ad-hoc monitoring, configure and use monit |
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| 12:18.21 | Zambezi | Okay. I hate Gimp. Will just start as root. Any other editor recommended? I just for downsizing and cut. No fancy editing. |
| 12:19.06 | omarek | Hi, I made a user with unusual $HOME directory. However, I can't create any directories in there despite performing the 'chown -R web3.web3 web3/' command. |
| 12:19.09 | omarek | Cannot create /var/www/clients/client1/web3/.config/mc directory |
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| 12:21.58 | joltcan | omarek: does .config exist? |
| 12:22.03 | omarek | Nevermind, I confused it with another directory. |
| 12:22.31 | omarek | I'm trying to replicate the production server environment in virtualbox for development. With most of the cruft. |
| 12:22.52 | omarek | By the way, I think symlinks are operating system's GOTOs. |
| 12:23.04 | omarek | They are certainly used this way here. |
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| 12:44.15 | petn-randall | Zambezi: I recommend fixing the problem rather than avoiding it. Could you start gimp in a terminal and paste any error messages it outputs? |
| 12:44.34 | SillyTalker | i'm using debian stable and i'm trying to add an SSL cert to use with apache, but i cannot find any clear documentation about it, i tried and failed, now i started over from a clean copy of the virtual machine, does anyone know a good link about this? |
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| 12:48.21 | Adme | i love debian. |
| 12:48.26 | Adme | and, hi :p |
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| 12:49.29 | Adme | someone know how we can reset the count number of the command "at" ? |
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| 12:49.46 | Adme | i wanna mean "45,46,47,48" etc.. |
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| 12:51.51 | Bitcho | hi everybody |
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| 13:00.13 | HellMind | My deb can reach an IP, dunno why |
| 13:00.20 | HellMind | traceroute to 200.17.202.197 (200.17.202.197), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets |
| 13:00.21 | HellMind | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.24 | HellMind | routes are fine |
| 13:00.32 | HellMind | my gw is 0.1 |
| 13:00.38 | HellMind | so whats doing there? |
| 13:00.46 | HellMind | why it happen with that ip and not with 8.8.8.8? |
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| 13:02.16 | SillyTalker | can or can't ? |
| 13:02.42 | Xat` | I mount a Windows share in my Ubuntu and reshare it through Samba. I'm able to create, delete, write files and directories but I can't rename them : NT_STATUS_OBJECT_NAME_NOT_FOUND renaming files \test2 -> \test |
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| 13:04.15 | grep0r | Adme, can you be a bit more specific ? |
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| 13:04.57 | nosklo | Xat`: seems totally unrelated to debian |
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| 13:06.44 | HellMind | can not |
| 13:07.16 | HellMind | why with that ip isnt going to the gw |
| 13:07.17 | HellMind | :( |
| 13:07.17 | Adme | yes grep0r , i talk about the jobs' count id, i wanna mean past jobs who increments the numbering |
| 13:07.21 | Xat` | nosklo: I know .. I'm just looking for idea |
| 13:07.39 | nosklo | Xat`: maybe #samba |
| 13:07.46 | nosklo | or something |
| 13:07.47 | HellMind | maybe got something to do with the br0? |
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| 13:07.58 | grep0r | Adme, well after some point at command on general reset auto |
| 13:08.04 | petn-randall | HellMind: It would be great if you explain what you're trying to do, and what you're expecting. Without context we can't help you. |
| 13:08.15 | Xat` | nosklo: yeah I'm on |
| 13:08.20 | Myrtti | HellMind: atleast in UK some isp's blackhole some traffic |
| 13:08.22 | bart_b | 7/part |
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| 13:09.06 | HellMind | but Myrtti I should see at least my router 0.1 |
| 13:09.54 | Adme | grep0r: after you wanna mean after a specific time ? |
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| 13:11.06 | grep0r | Adme, it can be done manually too somehow you have to set .SEQ to 00000 but ... its better if you choose that to remove all at pending jobs |
| 13:11.20 | HellMind | damn now I got this :( -> PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 13:11.20 | HellMind | From 192.168.0.6 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
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| 13:11.36 | HellMind | root@xen:/# ip route -> default via 192.168.0.1 dev xenbr0 |
| 13:11.43 | HellMind | im missing something |
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| 13:12.12 | grep0r | at counter is HEX and 5 digits so will have a max |
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| 13:14.34 | Adme | grep0r: okay, i will look that |
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| 13:17.06 | Adme | oh nice, i've erase my hundred errors xD |
| 13:17.30 | lanove | how can I get a Debian Live device to run a script after booting? |
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| 13:18.12 | Adme | you wanna run a script with your live device ? |
| 13:18.29 | lanove | after it boots on the computer, I want it to run a script |
| 13:18.37 | Adme | hum |
| 13:18.49 | lanove | rather than just starting at a prompt |
| 13:18.53 | Adme | you must open the .iso and put the script somewhere |
| 13:18.55 | Adme | i think |
| 13:19.16 | lanove | is there a default that the shell would execute on login? |
| 13:19.42 | lanove | I'm using live-build to make the image, so I should be able to add a script in there |
| 13:19.54 | lanove | (in the file tree) |
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| 13:20.39 | Adme | wait, i check |
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| 13:20.53 | Adme | i think it's simple |
| 13:21.11 | lanove | yeah it seems like it should be pretty easy |
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| 13:21.37 | Adme | oh it's simple |
| 13:21.59 | lanove | :) |
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| 13:23.57 | lanove | the include is etc/skel for the user's home directory, as I understand. |
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| 13:26.52 | Adme | try that : after you had create your sys, open the media and put your script in /etc/init.d and add a symbolic link with the correct level |
| 13:27.00 | Adme | lanove: ^ |
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| 13:27.28 | Adme | imo it's not more complicated |
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| 13:28.01 | lanove | I'll have a look.. I wasn't able to mount the system rw (only read), before |
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| 13:28.35 | lanove | maybe I can put it in the filesystem before building the image |
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| 13:28.58 | Vasistha | in /etc/acpi/events/ I have a file with event=button/mute |
| 13:29.15 | Vasistha | this is picking up keyrelease events, how can I distinguish between key-press and key-release? |
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| 13:30.03 | Adme | lanove: i don't know, but my solution must certainly work |
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| 13:31.49 | lanove | Adme: yep.. if I can insert a file into the system .. I'll try |
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| 13:32.04 | Adme | if it's on a RW CD you can extract all the contents in a folder, do your modification(s) and put the new contents after have erase the cd |
| 13:32.15 | Adme | or just do the modification and save if you can |
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| 13:33.15 | Adme | and on a USB device, that's not a problem, just open the rights folders and do your modifications |
| 13:33.47 | lanove | it's USB but it wouldn't let me mount it with RW permissions.. only R |
| 13:34.03 | lanove | but I should be able to build the changes into the file |
| 13:34.09 | lanove | and it looks like I can use .bashrc |
| 13:34.17 | lanove | which would be perfect |
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| 13:37.35 | Voyager_MP | how do simply find the diff between to lines for example: |
| 13:37.42 | Voyager_MP | Line 1: SQL:16831 16904 16906 16968 16980 |
| 13:38.01 | Voyager_MP | Line 2: ALL:16831 16904 16906 16968 16980 25768 25828 |
| 13:38.26 | Voyager_MP | the output should be the last two pids ... |
| 13:38.51 | hans_henrik | why is paste.debian.net giving "application/octet-stream" for plaintext now? it worked like 48 hours ago |
| 13:39.14 | Adme | lanove: otherwise, extract all contents, and do your modifications, after that erase your device and put the new contents |
| 13:39.15 | hans_henrik | ( http://paste.debian.net/70500/ vs http://paste.debian.net/plain/70500 to be specific) |
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| 13:41.23 | lanove | Adme: Thanks... I should be able to get it working, now! :) |
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| 13:42.54 | rozie | Voyager_MP: probably not what you wanted, but... |
| 13:42.56 | rozie | echo "Line 1: SQL:16831 16904 16906 16968 16980 Line 2: ALL:16831 16904 16906 16968 16980 25768 25828" | sed 's/:/ /g' | sed 's/\s/\n/g' | sort | uniq -c | egrep -v "^\s+2" |
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| 13:45.35 | Voyager_MP | rozie looking good, what does \s+2 make ? |
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| 13:46.18 | rozie | ^ - begins \s - whitechar + - one or more |
| 13:46.32 | Adme | lanove: keep me informed by private if you can |
| 13:47.12 | Zambezi | petn-randall: Sorry. Saw your replay now. gimp, gimp-2.8 gives no output. gimp-console don't start anything but gives me: http://paste.debian.net/70506/ |
| 13:47.52 | Voyager_MP | thx man, thats what I was looking for, thought of using diff, but this works just fine. |
| 13:47.55 | nosklo | hans_henrik: it works here. I get 'text/plain' |
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| 13:48.24 | Zambezi | petn-randall: And gimp-console-2.8 gives me a new line like somethings is started but nothing popup. Can start gimp as root. |
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| 13:49.07 | rozie | Voyager_MP: let me know if you learn diff solution ;) |
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| 13:52.16 | hans_henrik | nosklo, on the first url? or the secoond? cause its the 2nd url that gives application/octet-stream while it should be text/plain |
| 13:52.24 | hans_henrik | (and i bet the first gives me text/html ) |
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| 13:56.48 | Thugula | I cannot enter root user when a program asks for root privilleges, for example, when I try to enter gufw, it says "go in root", and when I press "enter password", it says "wrong identification" - most programs are doing this, they won't let me identify, so I have to run them as sudo to become root, please help me. |
| 13:57.27 | Adme | you cannot do "sudo" ? |
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| 13:58.45 | Adme | Thugula: just use "sudo" before your command |
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| 13:58.51 | Adme | and use your password |
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| 13:59.27 | Thugula | I use those programs from the menu. |
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| 13:59.45 | Adme | oh |
| 13:59.47 | Adme | hum |
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| 13:59.55 | Adme | on debian ? |
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| 14:00.29 | Adme | i've just installed it on two pc with graphical interface and i've never seen this problem |
| 14:00.55 | Adme | what version do you run |
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| 14:01.16 | Adme | and what programs do you try to run with your GUI |
| 14:01.31 | Thugula | gufw |
| 14:01.34 | Thugula | debian xfce 11 |
| 14:01.46 | Adme | like mine |
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| 14:02.52 | Adme | juste use this Thugula : sudo gufw OR gksudo gufw |
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| 14:03.03 | Adme | in a command invite |
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| 14:03.48 | babilen | Thugula: Do you have gksu(do) ? Is it configured in sudo mode? If you want to enter your user's password in lieu of the root password run "gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/gksu/sudo-mode true" (or false otherwise) |
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| 14:04.31 | Thugula | What does that exactly do, babilen? |
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| 14:04.53 | Adme | run a graphical programs with root privileges |
| 14:05.07 | hke | could this be a problem with policykit? |
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| 14:07.15 | squidz | does anybody know why I don't have the option for 2.1 audio in pulseaudios pavucontrol? I am trying to get my speakers working but so far only the two normal speakers emit sound, while the subwoofer is silent. |
| 14:07.55 | squidz | I tried googling the problem but had no luck, so #debian is my last hope |
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| 14:09.51 | babilen | Thugula: It configured gksu(do) to work in either sudo_mode or not. In sudo_mode sudo will be used to gain superuser provileges and it is expected that the user configured that beforehand. You would therefore enter the password of the user running gksu(do). In non-sudo-mode you have to enter the root password. |
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| 14:10.29 | Thugula | babilen; will then gufw ask me for my password to edit some shit as usual? |
| 14:10.35 | babilen | squidz: Well, there *is* a #pulseaudio |
| 14:10.36 | Thugula | to gain some privilleges to do so. |
| 14:10.55 | babilen | Thugula: No idea, I don't edit shit often. |
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| 14:10.58 | Adme | squidz: do you have multiples sounds cards ? |
| 14:11.22 | squidz | Adme I have my sound card, and then my graphics card has sound via hdmi, but i'm not using that |
| 14:11.40 | Adme | oh i see, wait |
| 14:12.23 | Adme | squidz: you must blasklist this fucking hdmi |
| 14:12.28 | Adme | :p |
| 14:12.54 | Adme | so i explain : |
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| 14:13.41 | squidz | Adme, but are you sure that could be causing the subwoofer to stop working? the other speakers work fine. Will disabling it let me choose a 2.1 option in pavucontrol? |
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| 14:14.18 | petn-randall | Zambezi: Does 'gimp' return with output, or does it hang until you cancel it? What release are you running? |
| 14:14.36 | petn-randall | s/with/without/ |
| 14:14.40 | Adme | i don't know, but i've had a real problem with HDMI when i've install debian there is few time |
| 14:15.14 | squidz | Adme okay then i will try blacklisting the modules and see if that helps |
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| 14:16.01 | Adme | squidz: sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf *or* alsa-base-blacklist.conf squidz |
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| 14:17.00 | Adme | and put at the end : blacklist yourmodule |
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| 14:17.15 | Adme | but maybe you know |
| 14:17.38 | squidz | yes I know where I should put them, but i'm not sure how to find out what the names of the modules are |
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| 14:17.48 | Adme | in my case that was a intel module |
| 14:17.51 | Adme | hum |
| 14:18.31 | squidz | cat /proc/asound/modules prints out these two modules |
| 14:18.37 | squidz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.37 | squidz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:18.56 | squidz | i'm guessing it is the hda_intel one |
| 14:19.02 | Adme | yes, like me |
| 14:19.30 | Adme | i've spend so many time in one days for this shit |
| 14:19.36 | Adme | day * |
| 14:19.41 | squidz | lol well hopefully I can benefit from your pain |
| 14:19.48 | Adme | maybe :d |
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| 14:28.32 | DoctorWedgeworth | there any way, using PAM or su or something else, to limit who can su *to* a user or prevent a user from being su'd to? |
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| 14:29.36 | petn-randall | DoctorWedgeworth: Of course. You should only allow what you need, anyway. |
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| 14:31.49 | DoctorWedgeworth | petn-randall, how do you do it? I know how to prevent a user from running su, but I don't know how to prevent a user from being su'd *to* (I want to still allow console login, if that makes a difference) |
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| 14:32.47 | Adme | squidz: what's up ? |
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| 14:33.08 | Zambezi | petn-randall: Gimp returns with no output. Just like I press return for new line. gimp & returns: [1] 11165 |
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| 14:33.20 | squidz | Adme: hm seems as though it still isn't working although the hdmi is now disabled |
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| 14:33.53 | Adme | squidz: do you have try to set it with alsamixer in a shell ? |
| 14:34.06 | petn-randall | DoctorWedgeworth: It's the wrong end you're taking this from. You can't 'defend' a user from being su'd to. You simply shouldn't allow others to su to him in the first place. |
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| 14:34.29 | petn-randall | DoctorWedgeworth: But maybe you should back up a little and describe what your actual problem is, and what you're trying to do. |
| 14:34.29 | squidz | Adme, yeah i'm trying that again now |
| 14:34.35 | Adme | squidz: M for mute / unmute |
| 14:34.37 | Adme | okay |
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| 14:35.02 | petn-randall | Zambezi: What release is this? |
| 14:35.10 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell Zambezi -about bat |
| 14:35.15 | lalala_oops | hi,i installed wheezy on my machine and since then i noticed that the machine turns off by its self so often |
| 14:35.22 | petn-randall | Zambezi: Can you provide the details to what the bot sent you? |
| 14:35.24 | Adme | squidz: is it connected electrically ? x) |
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| 14:35.58 | petn-randall | lalala_oops: Sounds like a hardware problem to me. |
| 14:35.58 | Adme | or on the right port squidz ? |
| 14:36.18 | squidz | Adme: no, it is connected via a single green cable, which is plugged into the only green output in my sound card. |
| 14:36.40 | Adme | haha okay, so that's correct Ãi think |
| 14:36.44 | lalala_oops | petn-randall, absolutely not |
| 14:36.47 | Adme | :p |
| 14:36.51 | DoctorWedgeworth | sure petn-randall. I've got a user with ssh password login disabled (ssh key only). The user has two hosts they can login to with the same password, and the two hosts are independent. So it's possible that host A might become malicious, log the password if used, and try to login to host B. They wouldn't be able to SSH in |
| 14:37.11 | DoctorWedgeworth | (hit enter too soon), but they might be able to, for example, compromise www-data and then su to that user |
| 14:37.36 | DoctorWedgeworth | the password needs to still exist in case the user needs to console in (in an emergency) |
| 14:38.01 | DoctorWedgeworth | I could limit su to root only, but it's possibly users on host B might use su for some other legitimate reason |
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| 14:39.04 | petn-randall | DoctorWedgeworth: So you're using passwordless SSH, but want to keep that as a fallback for emergencies? |
| 14:39.27 | DoctorWedgeworth | almost petn-randall. I want to keep it as a fallback for console login only, not SSH |
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| 14:40.33 | DoctorWedgeworth | basically I want to completely disable password login for this user *except* from a console |
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| 14:41.01 | DoctorWedgeworth | I can't restrict what root does, but at that point the box is compromised anyway |
| 14:41.39 | petn-randall | DoctorWedgeworth: Then just disable password login in sshd. |
| 14:42.37 | hke | yup |
| 14:42.48 | DoctorWedgeworth | that's done petn-randall, but what if a website is compromised, gives arbitrary commands via www-data, and they run su someuser - |
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| 14:45.14 | petn-randall | DoctorWedgeworth: They'd have to need a valid password for that. I can see your point, but I think it's a little far stretched. |
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| 14:46.18 | Zambezi | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/70514/ |
| 14:46.31 | DoctorWedgeworth | petn-randall, for 2 hosts maybe, but as it scales up to a few thousand hosts isn't the chance of someone using this as a targeted attack more likely? Given that the same password is on all the hosts (but supposedly unusable) |
| 14:46.40 | petn-randall | DoctorWedgeworth: You could set ACLs to disable access to su, but the attacker could always just upload his own version and execute that. |
| 14:47.04 | petn-randall | DoctorWedgeworth: If the passwords are brute-forceable, this might be a problem, yes. |
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| 14:47.27 | afidegnum | hi all |
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| 14:47.48 | DoctorWedgeworth | hmm. True. I was thinking keylogger, but if the password is never used that can't happen, and if the password is only used occasionally via console shells it's very unlikely |
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| 14:51.09 | ksk | ,versions git |
| 14:51.10 | judd | Package: git on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy1; wheezy-backports: 1:1.8.4~rc3-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:1.8.5.1-1; sid: 1:1.8.5.1-1 |
| 14:51.28 | DoctorWedgeworth | thanks for the brainstorm petn-randall :) |
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| 14:52.57 | petn-randall | Zambezi: Hmm, everything looks fine there. Can you run 'apt-get install -f'? Maybe some packages are not properly installed. |
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| 14:53.44 | sscasy | hi, I know this isn't a debian question but out of interest, does anyone know if you can over provision resources on a Xen host? |
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| 14:55.01 | Zambezi | petn-randall: All clear. No errors. Really weird Gimp starts as root. Installed from aptitude. Even tried to purge it and installed it again. |
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| 14:56.23 | petn-randall | Zambezi: Can you run 'strace -ff gimp' as your normal user and paste the full output to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 14:57.38 | petn-randall | Zambezi: In general, it's better to create a second, "test" user and try it with that instead of root. It's not recommended to run such applications as root. |
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| 14:58.05 | petn-randall | Zambezi: Oh, what does the output of 'which gimp' give you? Maybe you have an alias or a local install overriding the system gimp. |
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| 14:58.23 | CosmicB | sscasy since 3.3 I think http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2008/08/27/xen-33-feature-memory-overcommit/ |
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| 14:59.09 | petn-randall | DoctorWedgeworth: You're welcome. If you're really paranoid you can always stuff your webserver into a chroot, or even a separate virtual guest. |
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| 15:02.08 | Awxsome | greetings |
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| 15:02.22 | pengunix | hi |
| 15:02.29 | Zambezi | petn-randall: So first off all. I did a new purge of gimp and installed packages. No luck. Though of course it can start as root. strace -ff gimp gives me one heck of an output. Need to put it directly into pastebin from console. Know there's a solution for that. |
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| 15:03.08 | Awxsome | <- Debian noob |
| 15:03.16 | Awxsome | about to make the swtich from an nvidia card to radeon |
| 15:03.35 | Zambezi | Awxsome: Really don't. |
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| 15:03.59 | Awxsome | any particular reason why? |
| 15:04.03 | propus | Awxsome: i have a radeon 6870 works fine for me. |
| 15:04.03 | Awxsome | i'm totally open to nvidia |
| 15:04.32 | Awxsome | well my concern comes when change drivers to radeon |
| 15:05.42 | lalala_oops | what's agood video driver for intel compact ? |
| 15:05.45 | Awxsome | i want to use an r7 26x |
| 15:05.48 | Awxsome | 260x* |
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| 15:07.55 | pengunix | What exactly is responsible during debian installation for /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname? preseed? |
| 15:07.57 | Awxsome | propus what driver are you using |
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| 15:08.01 | propus | Awxsome: it's easy to install the radeon driver... download it.. make sure you have linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64, gcc and make installed.. the just ./amd-radeon.blah.blah.run driver |
| 15:08.20 | propus | amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13-4-x86.x86_64 |
| 15:08.20 | Awxsome | propus i was recently attempting this and apt kept wanting to remove gnome |
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| 15:08.26 | Awxsome | eventually i ran out of time and gave up on the switch |
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| 15:08.35 | jhutchins | lalala_oops: You don't just randomly pick video drivers. The Intel driver from the distribution is what's available. |
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| 15:09.20 | jhutchins | lalala_oops: The driver has to match your chipset; some of the newest Intel chipsets are not in the older xorg packages. |
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| 15:09.48 | jhutchins | pengunix: Essentially, it's the installer. |
| 15:10.31 | lalala_oops | jhutchins, i used to choose between mdm,gdm and lightdm |
| 15:10.45 | pengunix | jhutchins: what part of it? can I do this also on a bootstrapped system without the installer or manual? |
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| 15:12.42 | Zambezi | petn-randall: strace -ff gimp|pastebinit says empty doc even though I get hundreds of lines. Command which gimp returns /usr/bin/gimp |
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| 15:16.48 | sscasy | CosmicB: Thanks. From my experience its not too practical |
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| 15:17.21 | sscasy | CosmicB: It does not allow you to start a new VM if your memory allocation has exceeded, not memory used. |
| 15:17.32 | CosmicB | sscasy ah, ok |
| 15:17.34 | propus | Awxsome: why should apt try to remove gnome ?.. you must have done something wrong. |
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| 15:17.47 | Awxsome | that's what i couldn't figure out |
| 15:18.08 | Awxsome | it's been a good 3 months since tho, im going to try again tonight with a new card and different install. |
| 15:18.21 | CosmicB | sscasey I haven't used xen since lenny actually, and I don't think I ever used it back then deither. Not a big fan of overcommitting in general either :p |
| 15:18.25 | Awxsome | just wanted to consult you guru's before i messed up my installation |
| 15:18.46 | sscasy | CosmicB: So say you have 10gb on the host. and allocate all 10. You cant then allocate more. So basically its just a BIG FAT LIE |
| 15:19.14 | CosmicB | sscasy ah, ok |
| 15:19.43 | sscasy | CosmicB: lol |
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| 15:20.09 | Awxsome | propus | it came when trying to install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 |
| 15:20.24 | propus | just do this: apt-get install gcc make then apt-get install linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64.. if you use the 3.2.0-4 kernel.. otherwise install the correct headers får your kernel |
| 15:20.26 | Awxsome | apt was wanting to remove gnome while installing that package |
| 15:20.41 | propus | hmm.. |
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| 15:21.51 | Awxsome | propus | sorry that was the package for nvidia. It happened when installing libgl1-fglrx-glx:i386 |
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| 15:22.53 | Awxsome | i'll let you know if i have problems again |
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| 15:23.14 | propus | Awxsome: okey.. well i can't know that causing that.. |
| 15:23.35 | Awxsome | I understand. I'll be able to provide more info later if necessary. I just hope it goes flawlessly |
| 15:23.38 | Awxsome | thanks for your time! |
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| 15:23.48 | propus | Awxsome: sure download the driver from amd.com. |
| 15:23.57 | Awxsome | will do |
| 15:24.00 | propus | np. |
| 15:24.46 | pengunix | I want to set Paris / Europe as timezone. However, when dpkg-reconfigure tzdata --frontend noninteractive is executed I get Current default time zone: 'Etc/UTC'. |
| 15:24.50 | Awxsome | propus do you have any opinion of the radeon r series? Im looking at the r7 260x |
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| 15:25.24 | ksk | pengunix: why that --frontend foo? |
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| 15:26.17 | petn-randall | Zambezi: The output goes to STDERR. To fix that you can use 'strace -ff gimp 2>&1 | less'. '2>&1' redirects output to STDERR to STDOUT. |
| 15:26.23 | pengunix | This is the debconf: http://pastebin.com/Lvygq7jv |
| 15:26.32 | pengunix | ksk: because the thing should be done automatically |
| 15:26.43 | ksk | ah okay. dunno then, sry |
| 15:26.49 | katana- | i have this problem with debian on my dell inspiron N5010 |
| 15:26.50 | propus | Awxsome: i don't think you will have any problem with that card. |
| 15:27.06 | katana- | when you change the screen brightness it can often freeze completely, so that you have to do a hard reboot |
| 15:27.13 | Awxsome | i hope it's better than this gtx 550 ti |
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| 15:27.42 | katana- | is there a version of debian which fixes this? |
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| 15:28.53 | Anarch | I just booted the 7.2 livecd, and the console font is unreadably small (filling about half the available screen width, and having way too many lines as well). How can I select a different console font size? Remember I need to be able to do this initially while being almost completely unable to read what's already displayed. |
| 15:29.09 | katana- | i have this problem with debian on my dell inspiron N5010 |
| 15:29.19 | katana- | when you change the screen brightness it can often freeze completely, so that you have to do a hard reboot |
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| 15:29.47 | katana- | is there a version of debian which fixes this? |
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| 15:30.26 | propus | katana-: sounds like your vga driver is the problem. |
| 15:30.32 | katana- | i see |
| 15:30.37 | jhutchins | katana-: At least wait until your original question scolls off-screen. |
| 15:30.43 | pengunix | hm |
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| 15:31.10 | jhutchins | katana-: You do not tell us which version you are running, which kernel, what chipset, which drivers... |
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| 15:37.47 | TH3-G0D5 | hello folks, I'm trying to access the image feed from a usb camera. I'm not sure if the camera is functioning but I can see it when I lsusb. has anyone any experience with this? |
| 15:38.05 | Zambezi | petn-randall: 3848 line. Copy pasting here in channel any second. ;-) Took a while to find a site accepting the size: http://dug.im/2b8dc |
| 15:38.09 | assistente | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2193298 solutions? ubuntu people can't help me... unknown problem i think.. |
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| 15:39.22 | Saberu | hey guys. does debian take WAY longer to install if you tick the `added system tools` tick box on the list? |
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| 15:39.47 | Saberu | im just saying that after sitting here 3 hours waiting for it to install from the net installation |
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| 15:41.51 | mtn | Saberu: no, it looks like you have a problem |
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| 15:43.00 | mtn | assistente: if you don't already know,this channel does not support ubuntu |
| 15:43.21 | jhutchins | assistente: Install Debian, see if it has the same problem. If so, someone here might be able to help. |
| 15:43.25 | bolcselo | anyone know why i might get kp with kallsyms? |
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| 15:43.44 | assistente | jhutchins, ok.. but i think that also debian people can help me to solve... |
| 15:43.51 | jhutchins | Saberu: Typical install with current hardware and a decent connection is ~30 minutes. |
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| 15:44.06 | jhutchins | assistente: NO. |
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| 15:44.54 | assistente | jhutchins, shit! so i'm locked... |
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| 15:45.26 | jhutchins | assistente: Install Debian. If the problem persists, we have knowledge of the Debian system and can help. If it doesn't, problem solved. |
| 15:45.35 | mtn | assistente: we feel sorry for you, but you are on the wrong channel |
| 15:45.54 | assistente | no i can't i must continue with ubuntu, sorry |
| 15:45.59 | psycheye | gusto: if you advice me don't follow that howto |
| 15:46.07 | psycheye | how create raid1 with gmirror? |
| 15:46.58 | jhutchins | !it |
| 15:46.59 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 15:55.43 | zophy | yes audacity is very nice, thank you |
| 15:56.28 | pengunix | OK, so what part of the debian installer creates / fills the files /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname ?!! |
| 15:56.38 | dizzylizzy | I'm running sid. At startup, I'm running into an issue with significant delays. I get to a point where it complains about missing non-free microcode firmware, then it hangs for about 30 seconds, then it continues as if nothing happened. http://sprunge.us/DdfM |
| 15:56.58 | dizzylizzy | This is a new issue with a recent kernel. Any ideas of what I can try to do to suppress this notification/delay without installing the non-free microcode? |
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| 15:58.17 | pengunix | OK, so what part of the debian installer creates / fills the files /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname ?!! |
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| 15:59.49 | mtn | pengunix: the part where it asks for hostname? |
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| 16:02.52 | pengunix | mtn: where it writes those files. |
| 16:03.06 | ctmjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.13 | pengunix | mtn: but basically, yes - the part which prompts for it (or not, if unattended, how is t done then?!) |
| 16:03.20 | dizzylizzy | ctmjr, I am now |
| 16:03.39 | mtn | pengunix: I don't know anything about unattended installation |
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| 16:05.20 | jhutchins | pengunix: You haven't said why you're looking for this information, but your most likely source of answers is to read the installer code. |
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| 16:06.41 | pengunix | mtn / jhutchins: this is the last thing I would like to do, but apparently it is necessary... Where can I find it for Debian Wheezy (netboot)? |
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| 16:11.48 | Bronze | NOTICE: a few days ago some folks tried to help me debug a "esc key no longer works issue" "WE" had nominally assigned blame to synergy as the cause. KNOW THIS: it was not synergy. The presence of synergy may hasten the arrival of the symptom, but the issue arises even when synergy has never been run in that boot session. End Notice. |
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| 16:12.10 | Bronze | (for anyone who cares. :-) ) |
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| 16:13.55 | Saberu | cant find dh-modaliases |
| 16:14.00 | Saberu | do i need to add a new repo? |
| 16:14.08 | Saberu | it managed to find everything else |
| 16:15.03 | Rope | cool i have the same issue but with a broken keyboard and a broken connector to the main motherboard, so am in usb keyboard right now and to enable the wifi i need to press left alt + f10 which i can not found any solution to that, maybe fakekey or fakeacpi will do but dont know the codes for that |
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| 16:15.20 | petn-randall | Zambezi: I can't see the paste :( |
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| 16:16.15 | petn-randall | assistente: We can't help you with Ubuntu, because we have no knowledge of it. And you asked on the forums only 6 hours ago, which isn't that long anyway. |
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| 16:18.26 | mtn | Saberu: see if it is in the repoes: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 16:21.14 | Saberu | nope not there |
| 16:21.22 | Saberu | im trying to install this amd driver |
| 16:21.26 | Saberu | and its saying it needs this package |
| 16:21.45 | Saberu | is there a list of repos somewhere? |
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| 16:22.46 | mtn | Saberu: that was it. otherwise you are installing from outside the repoes |
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| 16:23.31 | Saberu | but this should be in the repo |
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| 16:23.36 | Saberu | it is for ubuntu |
| 16:23.40 | Saberu | and its required for amd drivers |
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| 16:34.00 | lawr | Hello, whenever my VPS restarts, apache2 automatically runs but "apache2" isn't even installed? |
| 16:34.13 | lawr | I am using lighttpd for the real web server |
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| 16:35.15 | jordanm | lawr: apache2 is a meta package, you could have apache2-bin etc or it's not installed using the debian package |
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| 16:36.06 | lawr | apache2-bin isn't installed |
| 16:36.19 | SolarAquarion | I am having issues with internet |
| 16:36.25 | lawr | jordanm: I think it is likely to have been installed from source |
| 16:36.33 | lawr | How do I remove it? |
| 16:36.43 | SolarAquarion | wifi is connected but internet isn't working |
| 16:37.03 | jordanm | lawr: by rming the relevant files |
| 16:37.04 | SolarAquarion | debian sid/jessie |
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| 16:38.23 | ctmjr | SolarAquarion:ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net that is the testing/sid channel |
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| 16:39.49 | WilliamDotSI | gnah |
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| 16:39.53 | WilliamDotSI | my OS lost /bin |
| 16:40.01 | WilliamDotSI | can i just copy it from another suqeeze with a live system? |
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| 16:40.10 | DelphiWorld | hi guys |
| 16:40.12 | DelphiWorld | stupid question |
| 16:40.21 | DelphiWorld | how to make the volume up using amixer? |
| 16:40.24 | DelphiWorld | without ncurses |
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| 16:40.40 | systemclient | I downloaded a package with `apt-get source` and tried to build it, but dpkg-source complains that there are new files there, they are build files. Upstream did not provide a `make clean`. So how do I get those files out there without going through the error diff? |
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| 16:41.38 | jordanm | systemclient: if "fakeroot debian/rules clean" doesn't fix it, file a bug against the package |
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| 16:42.58 | systemclient | jordanm: no, that does not fix it. This is getting worse every minute ... |
| 16:43.13 | systemclient | jordanm: I deleted the files manually ... |
| 16:43.15 | jerichowasahoax | Something on this computer's end of things is preventing the default DHCP client from getting an IP address. Where should I start? |
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| 16:44.16 | lalala_oops | jhutchins, i' used to choose between mdm,gdm and lightdm |
| 16:44.27 | jordanm | systemclient: file a bug report |
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| 16:44.42 | systemclient | jordanm: on the debian bts? |
| 16:44.50 | jerichowasahoax | Also, it seems to take forever to go from "starting OpenSSH" to a login prompt, and I'm not running any sort of GUI yet. Though I suspect that's related to problem #1. |
| 16:45.09 | jordanm | systemclient: yes |
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| 16:46.19 | DelphiWorld | anyone know how to maximise volume using amixer? |
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| 16:46.55 | DelphiWorld | message to op's: |
| 16:47.15 | ctmjr | DelphiWorld: man amixer there are examples in there |
| 16:47.27 | DelphiWorld | golongrina is spaming people here using private messages. |
| 16:47.30 | mtn | DelphiWorld: have you looked at "man amixer"? |
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| 16:48.08 | DelphiWorld | mtn, ctmjr, i try man all the time, the pagination suck for blind people using tts |
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| 16:55.03 | jhutchins | jerichowasahoax: Is this a desktop with Debian stable installed? |
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| 16:55.37 | jerichowasahoax | jhutchins: Brand spanking new install of wheezy, and it's a netbook. wpa_supplicant is connecting to my wireless just fine, so I know that's not the problem. |
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| 16:56.19 | jhutchins | jerichowasahoax: Can you assign an address manually and ping the DHCP server? What do the dhcpd logs say? |
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| 16:57.29 | jerichowasahoax | jhutchins: I don't know how to do manual assignment, as I've never needed to before. |
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| 16:58.16 | petn-randall | jerichowasahoax: Check the logs in /var/log/syslog if anything fishy happened (timeout or other errors). |
| 16:58.18 | ctmjr | DelphiWorld: amixer -c 0 -- sset Master playback 100% the 0 is the first sound card adjust to your system Master can also be PCM if I read it right |
| 16:59.24 | systemclient | jordanm: I guess I will do that eventually |
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| 16:59.58 | DelphiWorld | perfect:P |
| 17:00.00 | DelphiWorld | thank |
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| 17:01.34 | kie27 | greetings all, I see that xpdf has now been removed from testing. What should I use instead of xpdf <some_pdf_file>? |
| 17:01.45 | DelphiWorld | ctmjr: the issue was i have several mixer like master / headset / pcm... now i understand it |
| 17:01.53 | jerichowasahoax | petn-randall: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval (seemingly-random integer between 4 and 18) |
| 17:02.30 | jerichowasahoax | petn-randall: a few of those then "No DHCPOFFERS received.", then I think dhclient exits. |
| 17:02.38 | lalala_oops | the machine turns off so ofren since installing Debian .how to fix this? |
| 17:03.19 | jerichowasahoax | petn-randall: oh no, it's still running, my bad |
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| 17:05.56 | jerichowasahoax | lalala_oops: Sounds like a temperature problem to me |
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| 17:06.30 | lalala_oops | jerichowasahoax, i think u r right |
| 17:06.42 | lalala_oops | so how to stop it? |
| 17:07.10 | luky123 | hello can someone tell me if this email adress is possible because i dont think that . before @ will work right? person.123.@aon.at |
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| 17:08.23 | luky123 | .@ wont work right? |
| 17:08.27 | jerichowasahoax | lalala_oops: Stop putting so much load on your hardware, clean the dust, install some sort of CPU frequency scaling program, there's a few possibilities |
| 17:08.31 | jhutchins | luky123: I don't know of any rfc that would prohibit that. "." is a valid character. |
| 17:08.36 | jerichowasahoax | luky123: i think it's technically valid |
| 17:08.56 | luky123 | iam asking because hotmail wont let me send an email like that |
| 17:09.11 | jerichowasahoax | >hotmail |
| 17:09.17 | jhutchins | luky123: Well, Hotmail is allowed to make their own rules. |
| 17:09.55 | lalala_oops | jerichowasahoax:there must be some sensor to deactivate,right? |
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| 17:10.28 | jerichowasahoax | lalala_oops: Chances are if the sensor's getting tripped in the first place, deactivating it is a really bad mode. |
| 17:10.33 | jerichowasahoax | s/mode/move/ |
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| 17:11.12 | lalala_oops | ok ,thanx |
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| 17:19.51 | AlexLikeRock | how to now my "driver video" |
| 17:20.14 | Adme | good question |
| 17:20.21 | Nik05 | just do it |
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| 17:22.56 | trysten_ | hi #debian! long time no chat! i've got a doozie for you. what i'm trying to do is replace Ubuntu with Debian inside the Wubi disk image (named root.disk) |
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| 17:23.37 | trysten_ | i've got debian installed on virtual box and the disk image mounted inside the VM. now i just need to do some debootstrap magic and i think i'll get it! |
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| 17:24.24 | trysten_ | i came to see if anyone had some tips or pointers or knew where i could learn more about Wubi (ubuntu's NTFS disk image installer technology) |
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| 17:25.06 | systemclient | trysten_: why the heck would you do that? Why not install Debian from sracth? |
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| 17:26.11 | jerichowasahoax | trysten_: Isn't Wubi terrible to begin with |
| 17:26.13 | trysten_ | systemclient: well, the main reason is to preserve the partitioning of the HardDrive. are you familiar with wubi? it creates a disk image on windows then mounts it as a loop device for the rootFS |
| 17:26.16 | trysten_ | jerichowasahoax: yes. |
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| 17:26.54 | trysten_ | you guys gave me another idea. i could just try to install debian right to a folder inside NTFS. i just have to be careful not to mess up any bootcode which is why i'd prefer Wubi |
| 17:27.17 | trysten_ | (especially the "press F11 for system recovery" |
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| 17:28.36 | barhom | Just tell me if Im out in the blind here. If I want to "complete" diskless system that is even blind to the OS itself. Im not talking about NFS root. I'd like to be able to run the debian installer and install on a remote hard disk. Is this possible, and if so can somebody direct me on what to google? |
| 17:28.41 | petn-randall | jerichowasahoax: Then don't configure wlan0 in /etc/network/interface to go up automatically. Wifi is best configured with network-manager. |
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| 17:29.46 | jerichowasahoax | petn-randall: Doesn't that require a GUI though |
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| 17:30.15 | jerichowasahoax | petn-randall: in any case though, an "auto up" being the problem makes a whole lot of sense, thank you |
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| 17:32.03 | systemclient | trysten_: I think understanding how GRUB works and how to install it is easier than your plan |
| 17:32.32 | jerichowasahoax | petn-randall: right this second i'm cheating and plugged an ethernet cable in (seems to work fine), but i'll see if wlan works soonish |
| 17:33.13 | trysten_ | systemclient: you're probably right :) |
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| 17:33.30 | petn-randall | jerichowasahoax: There is a CLI frontend to it, too. Either way it's more flexible than a static 'auto wlan0'. |
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| 17:35.34 | nbl_ | Hi all :) |
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| 17:35.44 | trysten_ | hi nbl_ |
| 17:35.48 | nbl_ | Y a t-il des français ici ? |
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| 17:35.54 | petn-randall | !fr |
| 17:35.54 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 17:36.41 | petn-randall | nbl_: All people can speak english in here (mostly as a second language), but not everyone speaks french. |
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| 17:36.59 | nbl_ | ok thank petn-randall |
| 17:37.11 | nbl_ | :) |
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| 17:37.17 | nbl_ | I check it out debian-fr |
| 17:37.20 | nbl_ | ++ ;) |
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| 17:37.38 | bsdbeard | nbl_, omelette du fromage! |
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| 17:38.03 | val_erie | !edx |
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| 17:38.49 | Zambezi | petn-randall: I give you the first 168 lines. It look all the same. Sorry for late replay: http://paste.debian.net/70533/ |
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| 17:42.54 | petn-randall | Zambezi: The last ~100 lines would be more interesting. The first ~200 lines of every C program are usually just loading default libraries. |
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| 17:45.48 | jedrek_ | Hi, I have a problem: screen brightness is not working in my Debian. What should I do? |
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| 17:47.49 | jedrek_ | *screen brightness control |
| 17:47.53 | trysten_ | jedrek_: do a google search for "screen brightness not working in debian" maybe with some hints as to your computer type |
| 17:47.53 | Zambezi | petn-randall: Last 300: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d6e34f1a/ |
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| 17:48.34 | dizzy_duck | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=104571 ? |
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| 17:48.57 | val_erie | how can I make packages from one repository overide the default debian one ? |
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| 17:51.01 | petn-randall | val_erie: With pinning. Check 'man apt_preferences' for that. Note however that by adding other repos you'll likely loose support from this channel. |
| 17:51.13 | petn-randall | other = 3rd party |
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| 17:58.17 | jedrek_ | I've found bug report like this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=719536 It may be connected with my computer - I have AMD GPU. At the end it says to upgrade the kernel but my is the newest one. I also tried to fix it in other ways, as Google says, but none of them works. Nearly every solution is connected with specific computer type. I couldn't find anything about my machine. |
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| 18:00.22 | jedrek_ | I've also found information that brightness control for AMD cards is broken in 3.4.4 kernel |
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| 18:03.02 | queso | I have installed the nvidia driver following the instructions on the Debian wiki. I've rebooted. When I look at /var/log/messages, there is a message saying that my video card version is not compatible with the driver, even though on the Nvidia website it says this particular model *is* indeed supported by this driver version. Any ideas? |
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| 18:04.41 | dizzy_duck | queso: computer model? card? |
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| 18:05.53 | jedrek_ | any hints? |
| 18:05.58 | queso | dizzy_duck: Custom built. Motherboard: SuperMicro X8SIL-F. Video card: ASUS GeForce GT 630. |
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| 18:08.47 | dizzy_duck | Sorry man. I had harsh times installing drivers for optimus laptop card, but have no experience with PCs in this topic |
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| 18:11.47 | queso | dizzy_duck: Okay, thank you. |
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| 18:13.43 | jelly-home | queso: which nvidia driver version have you installed? dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-dkms|tail -1 |
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| 18:14.16 | Jan\ | iceweasel just closed on me, why? |
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| 18:19.17 | phox | so what's the proper way to work around non-Debian-aware packages that are innocently trying to do _normal_ things to install Apache modules and thus don't install .load scripts and all of that fun stuff? |
| 18:19.50 | Spr1ng | Anybody run ZFS on Proxmox, I'm interesting to hear your thoughts. |
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| 18:20.32 | renovaatio | hi, I would like to know the state of the debate around systemd? |
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| 18:21.08 | phox | Proxmox? |
| 18:21.13 | renovaatio | will we be sticking to system V or will we go with openrc ? |
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| 18:22.01 | queso | jelly-home: I'll be back, sorry. I just installed the latest nvidia driver to see if that will fix my problem. |
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| 18:23.03 | dizzy_duck | anyone knows how to permanently set position and dimensions of terminal window? |
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| 18:25.33 | renovaatio | dizzy_duck: what do you mean "permanently" ? |
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| 18:27.20 | dizzy_duck | renovaatio: I want to click on 'terminal' icon and have it opened in the left upper corner with different width and length |
| 18:27.27 | malik_ | 1 |
| 18:27.40 | renovaatio | dizzy_duck: what desktop environment do you use? |
| 18:27.48 | dizzy_duck | I'd shoot dconf editor but where? |
| 18:27.50 | dizzy_duck | gnome 3 |
| 18:27.52 | grep0r | dizzy_duck, gnome-terminal --geometry (if it is gnome) |
| 18:28.16 | renovaatio | dizzy_duck: sorry, I don't know shit about gnome |
| 18:28.17 | grep0r | and you have to set something like 73x31+100+300 |
| 18:28.45 | dizzy_duck | ^_^ Thanks guys! |
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| 18:29.14 | grep0r | or you can use xterm -geometry :) |
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| 18:29.48 | renovaatio | this might help: http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#NORESIZE |
| 18:30.07 | renovaatio | but you would have to find how to apply those settings to your gnome windows |
| 18:30.12 | renovaatio | dizzy_duck: ^ |
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| 18:31.00 | dizzy_duck | I applied --geometry 180x20+100+0, that's exactly what I've been looking for |
| 18:31.10 | grep0r | kewl :P |
| 18:31.13 | renovaatio | oh nice |
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| 18:31.24 | renovaatio | this shit is the shit tho: http://tomas.styblo.name/wmctrl/ |
| 18:31.34 | renovaatio | when it comes to fiddling with your windows |
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| 18:32.42 | amphi | or use xmonad, and have no need to ;) |
| 18:33.57 | grep0r | btw what color is your favorite on a terminal font? I think white background makes my eyes fucked up thinking to move into grey |
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| 18:36.48 | nbl | Bonsoir tout le monde |
| 18:36.50 | renovaatio | grep0r: you might wanna look into colorschemes like zenburn |
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| 18:37.02 | nbl | Sorry Hi all :) |
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| 18:37.26 | jerichowasahoax | What package is startkde in? Because it doesn't appear to be in kde-baseapps, and "aptitude search startkde" comes up empty. |
| 18:38.31 | grep0r | I'll check it renovaatio thx |
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| 18:46.57 | cobalt238 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.52 | cobalt238 | Is there a good debian distro like Ubuntu that provides really good wireless networking out of the box? |
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| 18:49.16 | naryfa | hi everyone |
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| 18:49.32 | cobalt238 | I've been using Ubuntu and like having wifi just work even when I have X problems and am not configuring it with the applet |
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| 18:50.59 | ScottE | cobalt238: you should probably change that nickserv password if you haven't already :-/ |
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| 18:53.27 | cobalt238 | @ScottE Yeah, I had a space prefixed to the command :( |
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| 19:07.07 | jhutchins | Strange, after Thunar crashes, I can browse to /media/usb0 and the filesystem is mounted and accessible. |
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| 19:17.26 | Absolute0 | I was given instructions for writing an Upstart script(http://pastie.org/8548070). It seems like Debian 7.2 uses a different service system. What would be the equivalent version for Debian 7.2 which I can start with service uwsgi start? |
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| 19:18.50 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Absolute0 about init script |
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| 19:23.42 | Absolute0 | jelly-home: what is the official name for the debian 7.2 startup script system? |
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| 19:24.29 | jordanm | Absolute0: SysVinit + insserv |
| 19:24.52 | jordanm | you can run systemd or upstart on 7.2, but sysvinit is the default |
| 19:25.03 | Absolute0 | can I run both? |
| 19:25.04 | jordanm | upstart requires a bit more hacking to get to work |
| 19:25.06 | jordanm | no |
| 19:25.15 | Absolute0 | okay |
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| 19:25.25 | jordanm | upstart and systemd are both compatible with sysvinit scripts though |
| 19:25.41 | Absolute0 | I just need a basic example, the skeleton provided in /etc/init.d is huge and overwhelming |
| 19:26.00 | Absolute0 | All I need to do is run script_x |
| 19:26.03 | Absolute0 | and kill it on stop |
| 19:26.16 | jordanm | Absolute0: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 19:26.20 | Nik05 | the skeleton is huge? |
| 19:26.22 | Absolute0 | ^^ |
| 19:26.34 | Absolute0 | 159 lines... |
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| 19:26.43 | jordanm | Absolute0: yep, that's sysvinit and why it sucks |
| 19:27.30 | Absolute0 | Can someone provide me with the most basic sysvinit file that will start/stop /usr/bin/my_script? |
| 19:27.58 | jordanm | Absolute0: the skeleton script already does that |
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| 19:28.27 | Absolute0 | do I simply change SCRIPTNAME? |
| 19:28.52 | stoffell | Absolute0, some have had some luck with supervisord (.org) , depending on what you need.. |
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| 19:40.25 | jerichowasahoax | Iceweasel is just a rebadged Firefox, right? |
| 19:40.58 | phogg | jerichowasahoax: more or less |
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| 19:45.28 | esaym153 | how do I add a local user to an ldap group with usermod? |
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| 19:49.14 | Adme | esaym153: usermod -g *group* *login* |
| 19:49.36 | esaym153 | Adme: returns nothing/doesn't work |
| 19:49.40 | esaym153 | like this: http://serverfault.com/questions/351794/cannot-add-ldap-group-to-system-local-user |
| 19:49.42 | Adme | you can also try man usermod |
| 19:49.45 | Adme | oh really ? |
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| 19:49.56 | esaym153 | Adme: been working on this for an hour... |
| 19:50.02 | esaym153 | I don't think it is possible... |
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| 19:50.23 | Adme | i will check your link |
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| 19:57.57 | GNU\colossus | I'm looking to replace my RPi (running raspbian) with another low-power device to function as a headless ssh/shell only server. what's better suited fro running wheezy or jessie - the MakePlayLive improv, or a BeagleBone Black? |
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| 19:59.31 | jhutchins | I believe there is support for the Beaglebone Black running Debian Stable. Don't know about the MakePlayLive. |
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| 20:08.03 | JordiGH | This? http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gcc-4.8 |
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| 20:23.11 | luky90 | hi i have a big problem: A customer of mine cannot send emails with outlook 2010 to 123people.@aon.at |
| 20:23.21 | luky90 | with outlook 2003 it was working flawlessly |
| 20:24.10 | luky90 | the mail is sent then error from "Systemadministrator" the mail is not going to SMTP Server. This message comes from outlook 2010 itself |
| 20:24.51 | luky90 | with mozilla thunderbird he can send to the same mail adress |
| 20:24.57 | JordiGH | luky90: Uhm, why is this a Debian problem? |
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| 20:25.15 | gregc2 | Anyone ever played with the raspberry pi's with debian and wyse 60 emulation? |
| 20:25.17 | luky90 | iam just asking if someone could help me out |
| 20:25.21 | JordiGH | luky90: Is the SMTP server Debian? |
| 20:25.26 | luky90 | yep |
| 20:25.35 | luky90 | my dedicated mailserver |
| 20:25.42 | luky90 | running debian 7 |
| 20:25.53 | JordiGH | luky90: Can you see what Outlook is sending to the smtp server? |
| 20:25.57 | JordiGH | What are you running on it, exim? |
| 20:26.10 | zerick | and what log says? |
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| 20:26.22 | luky90 | nothing because the mail wont reach my smtp server |
| 20:26.33 | luky90 | outlook 2010 itself sends me an mail back |
| 20:26.49 | psycheye | luky90, logs? |
| 20:26.57 | JordiGH | luky90: Do you not see an incoming connection on the SMTP port to begin with? Nothing in the logs? |
| 20:27.09 | luky90 | no no logs at all |
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| 20:36.33 | hemlockii | How exactly can I fix the repeating "Something has gone wrong. Please log out & try again" screen right after login? |
| 20:36.53 | teraflop | luky90: for example using dovecot i have to add some "tricky" lines for some email clietns to work |
| 20:37.15 | luky90 | i also have dovecot |
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| 20:37.47 | luky90 | but its not the problem of my smtp at all |
| 20:37.53 | teraflop | ok |
| 20:38.02 | luky90 | a customer tries to send it to someone else to a big service provider |
| 20:38.15 | luky90 | and exactly the same error |
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| 20:39.05 | teraflop | and have you seen the headres of the returned mail on the client side luky90 ? |
| 20:39.12 | teraflop | s/headers |
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| 20:39.23 | luky90 | let me try that |
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| 20:40.40 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I'm trying to add the correct dependency information to a package I converted from RPM with alien but can't get it to work. |
| 20:40.43 | Pegasus_RPG | I'm on an amd64 system but the package is i386, so I want to specify that the i386 versions of the dependencies get installed if installing on amd64. |
| 20:41.13 | luky90 | teraflop: lol no header at all |
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| 20:41.28 | luky90 | header field in outlook 2010 is blank |
| 20:41.35 | teraflop | the returned mail allwais have all the info luky90 |
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| 20:42.11 | martin-_-_ | how can i tell lightdm to start xfce instead of gnome? |
| 20:42.21 | Pegasus_RPG | Here's what I have currently in the control file: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/11cb2dbb/ |
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| 20:43.33 | luky90 | here is the header: http://www.imagebanana.com/view/95pvahe7/header.jpg |
| 20:43.34 | val_erie | I am trying to install edx by folloing a tutorial made for ubuntu, since this is the only tested OS for the program. I am getting this error: msg: Invalid repository string: ppa:git-core/ppa. Can ppa be installed in Debian? |
| 20:43.34 | luky90 | blank |
| 20:43.36 | Pegasus_RPG | I've had to add the 'amd64' arch to get it to build at all. But when I install the package, it doesn't complain about the missing i386 dependencies no matter which version of the Depends line I try (with or without the [i386] on each) |
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| 20:46.03 | teraflop | sotty luky90 my german is inexistent |
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| 20:46.47 | teraflop | if itself in the returned mail sure it is in the server logs of the sender |
| 20:47.14 | teraflop | s/if not itself |
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| 20:49.05 | luky90 | here is the header from lukas.@exiled.me to xxx@tele2.at -> http://www.imagebanana.com/view/9b9fe5gm/header2.jpg |
| 20:49.19 | luky90 | outlook can at least receive messages |
| 20:49.42 | propus | outlock? |
| 20:49.44 | d33tah | ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/apt_pkg.so: undefined symbol: _Z10ListUpdateR16pkgAcquire_tatusR13pkgSourceListi |
| 20:49.51 | d33tah | whyyyyyy :< |
| 20:49.52 | propus | do you use windows? |
| 20:50.11 | ScottE | martin-_-_: change session type on the lightdm login screen - one of the buttons on the top right (at least for my version) |
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| 20:50.14 | teraflop | let me see |
| 20:50.17 | luky90 | one of my customers is using windoof yeah |
| 20:50.20 | JordiGH | Eigenschaften? |
| 20:50.34 | JordiGH | I hope that means "your own shafting" |
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| 20:50.47 | luky90 | it means settings |
| 20:50.51 | teraflop | luky90: a photo ? |
| 20:50.58 | JordiGH | Aw, what a shame. |
| 20:51.07 | teraflop | it cuts when becoming exciting :) |
| 20:51.54 | luky90 | the first header image is the mail which i get when i try to send to lukas.@exiled.me the 2nd is a comparision how it should look like |
| 20:51.59 | forcer | ("Properties", to be exact) |
| 20:52.20 | teraflop | read carefully the full header and surely youll have te point luky90 |
| 20:52.37 | teraflop | i cant its a photo |
| 20:53.21 | honestly | ಠ_ಠ |
| 20:53.34 | honestly | are you sure have a period at the end of the local part is legal |
| 20:53.47 | honestly | having* |
| 20:54.07 | honestly | you can tell I know things about email because I call it local part |
| 20:54.18 | marshall_ | when search pkg desc with aptitude search ~d can i add a space? |
| 20:54.49 | luky90 | ok here is the full header: http://pastebin.com/789dKkEQ |
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| 20:55.14 | martin-_-_ | ScottE, I can't the resolution is wrong and the display is shifted. I dont see any options at the top of the login screen |
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| 20:57.36 | luky90 | when i send in outlook 2010 from xxx@tele2.at to lukas.@exiled.me it shows a blank header here from the Error Mail. It only shows this text: http://www.imagebanana.com/view/rkk7uqgz/error_info.jpg |
| 20:58.33 | teraflop | luky90: i wish i speak german :) |
| 20:58.56 | teraflop | what the hell it is said there? |
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| 20:59.30 | luky90 | it means not valid receiver |
| 20:59.34 | teraflop | mmm |
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| 21:01.00 | luky90 | as i said i double checked no connection is seen by dovecot |
| 21:01.11 | luky90 | grep "xxx@tele2.at" /var/log/* |
| 21:01.20 | luky90 | only matches on the valid adress luky@exiled.me |
| 21:01.39 | luky90 | but not on lukas.@exiled.me |
| 21:02.24 | luky90 | the email wont leave outlook 2010 :( |
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| 21:07.33 | petn-randall | Pegasus_RPG: You *might* ask on #debian-mentors, not sure if that's on topic there, but it's all about packaging. They might even tell you how to package it natively. |
| 21:08.39 | teraflop | luky90: thats weird, fails with all the addreses you send mails? try to clean and recreate de cache of the outlook client |
| 21:08.56 | luky90 | cache mode is disabled |
| 21:09.36 | petn-randall | luky90: How is this in any way related to Debian when Outlook 2010 doesn't send off the mail? |
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| 21:10.23 | luky90 | no to luky@exiled.me i can send mails perfectly |
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| 21:10.32 | luky90 | also to all other adresses i know |
| 21:10.41 | luky90 | except *.@server.at |
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| 21:12.16 | petn-randall | luky90: If Outlook doesn't even connect to your mail server before erroring out, it strongly looks like a problem with outlook to me. |
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| 21:12.33 | teraflop | you mean all the adreeses end with"."@ blah blah luky90 |
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| 21:12.53 | luky90 | yep |
| 21:13.03 | teraflop | well |
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| 21:13.38 | teraflop | no clue looks an outlook 2010 isssue |
| 21:13.47 | teraflop | I also meant that http://bit.ly/1bZKxIn luky90 |
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| 21:16.16 | luky90 | ok ill try this tomorrow. thank you anyways |
| 21:16.19 | teraflop | yw |
| 21:16.24 | luky90 | have a good night or day :) |
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| 21:16.35 | luky90 | dont know how late it is at your location |
| 21:16.40 | luky90 | bye bye |
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| 21:16.53 | teraflop | bye man and good luck |
| 21:16.57 | luky90 | thx |
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| 21:38.11 | jhutchins | I was wrong earlier, it's not valid at the end of the local portion of the address. |
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| 21:39.04 | teraflop | does honestly said something about that jhutchins ? |
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| 21:39.39 | honestly | (: |
| 21:39.41 | teraflop | my english is so rude |
| 21:39.44 | teraflop | sorry |
| 21:39.46 | jhutchins | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#section-3.4.1 |
| 21:39.58 | teraflop | i didnt understood |
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| 21:41.01 | jhutchins | luky90 was asking about an address with a period/dot right before the @ sign (lukas.@exiled.me) |
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| 21:41.50 | sweb | is it possible to save header to another file using wget ? |
| 21:41.51 | sweb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.06 | sweb | headers also will be saved in `/tmp/tmp.html` |
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| 21:51.38 | dokma | any text util that can remove text duplicates longer than a given limit? |
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| 21:51.48 | dokma | irrespective of newlines |
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| 21:59.33 | Absolute0 | !rc.local |
| 21:59.33 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
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| 22:02.14 | Absolute0 | # service rc.local start |
| 22:02.14 | Absolute0 | /etc/rc.local: 14: exec: uwsgi: not found |
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| 22:02.21 | Absolute0 | # /etc/rc.local |
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| 22:02.44 | Absolute0 | uwsgi is in the path |
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| 22:05.29 | themill | Absolute0: what is the path to it? |
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| 22:05.29 | BeWilled | Hello, I have about 20 tb of data installed in my dedicated server but I have ubuntu... is there a way to do a fresh install of debian on that web server without loosing my data? |
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| 22:05.29 | Absolute0 | /usr/local/bin/uwsgi |
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| 22:05.29 | Absolute0 | should I make a symlink in /usr/bin? |
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| 22:05.41 | themill | Absolute0: or just run /usr/local/bin/uwsgi; btw I don't think you want the "exec" there anyway |
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| 22:06.12 | Absolute0 | What does exec do? |
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| 22:06.58 | themill | Absolute0: replaces the currently running sh with the command you give (help exec) |
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| 22:07.07 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 22:07.49 | notloser | #Indonesia |
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| 22:08.56 | themill | notloser: can we help? |
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| 22:21.12 | jhutchins | ,versions supercollider |
| 22:21.13 | judd | Package: supercollider on i386 -- wheezy: 1:3.4.5-1wheezy1; jessie: 1:3.6.3~repack-4; sid: 1:3.6.3~repack-4 |
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| 22:28.36 | rryoumaa | what does it mean that lsblk hangs? |
| 22:29.07 | val_erie | howcan I list a virtualbox ? I installed virtual box in a kvm VM - and I want to know the name and the IP of virtual box |
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| 22:33.00 | themill | val_erie: I have in my notes that «vboxmanage guestproperty get $vm_name /VirtualBox/GuestInfo/Net/0/V4/IP» works |
| 22:33.17 | themill | (these notes look like they are a few years old though... might still work) |
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| 22:38.20 | val_erie | themill - something is not working - syntax error - if I just want to list the virtualbox vms - what is the command ? |
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| 22:39.41 | dokma | any text util that can remove text duplicates longer than a given limit? |
| 22:39.44 | dokma | irrespective of newlines |
| 22:41.00 | grep0r | val_erie, su , then virsh list --all |
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| 22:41.41 | val_erie | grep0r, I thought that is for kvm only - I will try it |
| 22:42.17 | reavengrey | kvm is a program, though |
| 22:42.35 | themill | val_erie: "vboxmanage list vms". If you just run "vboxmanage" it gives quite a lot of help. |
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| 22:44.25 | jhutchins | dokma: I don't think anybody understands what you want to do. Try describing it in a different way. |
| 22:45.23 | dokma | jhutchins, in a large file there might be blocks of identical text |
| 22:45.45 | dokma | I want to remove all such occurences except one |
| 22:45.55 | dokma | and it's not based on line |
| 22:46.01 | dokma | lines* |
| 22:46.21 | dokma | just a long string of text with possible duplicate strings |
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| 22:49.54 | jhutchins | dokma: Can you specify the text, or does it need to be automatically detected? |
| 22:50.14 | val_erie | howcan I find all the IPs of the computers in a LAN |
| 22:50.35 | cz3141 | need some help with chroot of squeeze... |
| 22:50.47 | dokma | jhutchins, automatically |
| 22:50.57 | grep0r | val_erie, public or private ips? |
| 22:51.06 | val_erie | LAN private |
| 22:51.15 | val_erie | in a subnet the machine is in |
| 22:51.23 | val_erie | grep0r, ^^^^ |
| 22:52.09 | miwa | val_erie: well, you could sniff the traffic on the LAN and just make a list? That'd be only the hosts that are actually communicating though |
| 22:52.17 | jhutchins | dokma: I do not believe that any software exists to do this within a single text file. Text deduplication is usually applied to collections of documents, not internally. |
| 22:52.36 | jhutchins | dokma: What you're looking for is called a "copy editor" <grin>. |
| 22:52.51 | dokma | jhutchins, hmmm... let me search for that |
| 22:52.53 | miwa | val_erie: or you could do a portscan, or even an arpscan.. that will only get you the hosts that are responding to those packets though |
| 22:53.12 | grep0r | val_erie, one way is ping 'em |
| 22:53.25 | grep0r | for ip in $(seq 1 254); do ping -c 1 192.168.1.$ip>/dev/null; [ $? -eq 0 ] && echo "192.168.1.$ip UP" || : ; done |
| 22:53.34 | dokma | hmmmm.... I'll have to implement that myself than |
| 22:53.40 | miwa | val_erie: so in short, there's no way for you to get all the IPs of all the computers in a LAN, unless you can manually go around and check them all. But you can get some of the IPs of some of the computers in the lab using the above methods |
| 22:53.46 | dokma | maybe using Rabin Karp or a modification of that algo |
| 22:53.51 | rryoumaa | dokma: an experimental thing might be able to do it. mdiff(1). |
| 22:53.53 | edju | Wheezy here. hplip in the repos, 3.12.6-3.1, did not work. hp-check itself states that 7.2 is not supported, and runs into "hpmudext not found". (python problem? looking for 2.5? I don't know.) various solutions found on the web proved not to work. the hplip site offers a version 3.13.11 .run file which does work, but then trying to install hplip-gui leads to apt-get dependency hell. is there a way to install that lates |
| 22:53.54 | edju | t version so that the package manager recognizes it? |
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| 22:54.12 | val_erie | miva I will try arp scan - grep0r I want to find their IPs :) so if I knew I would ping |
| 22:54.43 | rryoumaa | dokma: but you might need to tweak it |
| 22:55.07 | dokma | rryoumaa, let me dig into that |
| 22:55.39 | grep0r | val_erie, that's why you ping whole range and if get echo |
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| 22:57.35 | jhutchins | edju: cups and a ppd. |
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| 22:58.29 | edju | jhutchins, cups is already installed, and the .run program provides the ppd. |
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| 23:02.18 | dokma | rryoumaa, unfortunately this compares two files |
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| 23:02.25 | dokma | I need internal analysis of the file |
| 23:02.37 | dokma | to find redundancy in the file itself |
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| 23:08.24 | rryoumaa | dokma: i know |
| 23:08.35 | rryoumaa | but you can maybe use it. i do not think that the algorithm will be trivial. |
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| 23:09.57 | themill | cz3141: please just ask your question |
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| 23:11.38 | cz3141 | themill: thanks. cant seem to get graphics app to fully display from chroot install |
| 23:12.06 | cz3141 | all deps installed for app in question but segfaults when i attempt to open a file |
| 23:12.22 | cz3141 | may not be a dislpay issue per se... |
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| 23:13.22 | cz3141 | the msg i get: segfault at 58 ip 00007f89234be00c sp 00007fff1e671fd0 error 4 in libosg.so.2.8.3[7f89232f0000+263000] |
| 23:13.48 | cz3141 | running current stable, amd64 |
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| 23:15.15 | cz3141 | followed directions on https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebootstrapChroot and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot |
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| 23:15.33 | cz3141 | mostly tho the ubuntu info is dated |
| 23:15.43 | grep0r | val_erie, tbh you might need a few more details. Probably at scan a firewall gonna stop you. |
| 23:16.19 | themill | cz3141: do other programs work fine inside that chroot? |
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| 23:23.44 | alesan | hi, where is the recommended place to put system wide aliases in Debian? |
| 23:23.50 | alesan | bash aliases I would say |
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| 23:26.46 | cz3141 | themill: yes. |
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| 23:27.15 | cz3141 | i installed the squeeze chroot to install older version of openscenegraph (osg) |
| 23:27.30 | cz3141 | which in turn is a dependency for the app i want to run |
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| 23:27.40 | themill | does anything else that wants to use that library work? |
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| 23:28.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi. Anyone running bridged VMs? I'm getting "bad udp checksum" from dhclient on a debootstrapped Jessie. |
| 23:28.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | Any idea why it isn't fixed yet? |
| 23:29.21 | cz3141 | themill: checking |
| 23:30.50 | grep0r | alesan, on debian it is /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 23:31.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=717217 |
| 23:32.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is there another DHCP client in a normal debootstrap? |
| 23:32.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | I guess I could re-debootstrap. |
| 23:33.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | (or set it up manually) |
| 23:33.29 | alesan | thanks! |
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| 23:33.58 | grep0r | alesan, you are welcome |
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| 23:45.18 | ShapeShifter499 | does anyone know how to mount a usb stick that has been "dd" burned with a install iso? |
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| 23:46.04 | bernat | ShapeShifter499: like any other? |
| 23:46.10 | bernat | ShapeShifter499: like any other one? |
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| 23:48.04 | __FBi | ShapeShifter499: where are you having difficulty? |
| 23:48.05 | ShapeShifter499 | I dd the iso debian wheezy installer over to my usb drive and installed the bare bones of a debian system for a NAS setup on my older netbook. I can access the terminal but I don't know how to mount that partition that I just used to install |
| 23:48.26 | __FBi | mount |
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| 23:49.17 | ShapeShifter499 | __FBi, I get that but what arguments do I use? |
| 23:49.17 | pagios | hello anyone familiar with sakis 3g? |
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| 23:50.49 | nimtz | not sure where to ask, but is there a way to make htop only show paretn processes |
| 23:51.15 | __FBi | ShapeShifter499: I don't remember off hand. Primarily a windows user. I recall creating a directory on the hdd, then mounting what I wanted there. ie: mkdir /tmp/usb mount <dev> /tmp/usb |
| 23:51.30 | __FBi | I might have the mount <dev> <dir> in reverse order |
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| 23:52.47 | bernat | nimtz: I don't know, "man htop" could tell you. I know F5 shows processes as a tree |
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| 23:53.08 | zykotick9 | nimtz: do you want to supress threads? check the htop options (i believe there are two such options for supressing threads) |
| 23:53.16 | nimtz | thanks |
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| 23:55.33 | ShapeShifter499 | hmm |
| 23:55.48 | __FBi | follow? |
| 23:56.00 | nimtz | 'H' does it |
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| 23:57.38 | bernat | docs are great |
| 23:57.42 | bernat | :-) |
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