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| 00:00.15 | trysten | jhutchins: i don't know who you are, but i have mad respect for you. you've been softly moderating this channel for years! thank you! |
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| 00:02.02 | usrnix | hi, trying to apt pin testing under stable so I can install some non-backported packages but testing is overriding stable, I have: Package: * Pin: release a=stable Pin-Priority: 900, release a=testing and priority 500 for testing |
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| 00:06.56 | jhutchins | usrnix: Most of the people here advise against pinning and mixing releases. |
| 00:07.12 | jhutchins | usrnix: !ssb is the preferred method. |
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| 00:08.02 | usrnix | jhutchins: ssb? |
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| 00:08.21 | jhutchins | usrnix: See pm from dpkg. |
| 00:08.30 | usrnix | Didn't get |
| 00:08.49 | usrnix | Did it myself thanks :) |
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| 00:09.57 | usrnix | Oh that's complicated, install a one-off .deb from the packages source? As to not have apt handle the multiple repos I assume? |
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| 00:11.13 | jhutchins | usrnix: As the release have progressed, mixing releases has gotten less and less successful and more likely to break the OS. |
| 00:11.24 | ojmode | if i remove a component (contrib) from sources.list, does apt not know about packages still installed from contrib? |
| 00:11.45 | bzed | usrnix: as soon as you install one package from testing (assuming its not pure python or anoy other scripting language stuff without dependencies, you'll end up with libc6 and other pretty much important libraries from testing |
| 00:12.22 | bzed | ojmode: apt-cache show will still show them as installed |
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| 00:12.55 | ojmode | bzed: ok, im worried when i run aptitude it wont show them as i want to remove all contrib packages |
| 00:13.04 | ojmode | this is on a fresh, base install |
| 00:13.15 | usrnix | Hmm ok I'll just ignore doing that then thanks, was just going to try install a later version of my DEs but those are probably too big, even though testing probably isn't much worse than ubuntus stability by now, even though that is pretty bad :P |
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| 00:13.43 | bzed | usrnix: depends on what you need :) a simple backport is usually really easy |
| 00:13.53 | bzed | usrnix: not for all packages though :) |
| 00:13.55 | usrnix | bzed: Doesn't exist unfortunately |
| 00:13.58 | bzed | ojmode: look into apt pinning |
| 00:14.12 | ojmode | ok |
| 00:14.17 | bzed | usrnix: make one then :) |
| 00:14.21 | jhutchins | ojmode: It knows about installed packages, but not about any new ones from that repo. |
| 00:14.32 | usrnix | bzed: .. instructions anywhere? xD |
| 00:14.45 | bzed | !backport |
| 00:14.45 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 00:14.54 | usrnix | packaging is scary, I wouldn't mind looking into it, would love to contribute |
| 00:14.56 | bzed | !tell usrnix about simple sid backport |
| 00:15.05 | ojmode | jhutchins: ok thanks |
| 00:15.10 | jhutchins | usrnix: Some people install testing and run with it, with a dual-boot of stable in case testing breaks. |
| 00:15.29 | bzed | other people run testing mixed with unstable on their laptop ;) |
| 00:15.59 | usrnix | bzed: thanks for the read, will bookmark it and try get through it |
| 00:16.02 | jhutchins | Yes, well, it's good that we have those people. We need someone who runs the installer on a regular basis. |
| 00:16.10 | bzed | usrnix: check what dpkg told you |
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| 00:16.14 | bzed | usrnix: in a private message |
| 00:16.38 | ojmode | i notice all my stuff comes from 'main' anyway, do any packages from contrib get used on a new install? |
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| 00:17.10 | jhutchins | Well, main IS the main repo. |
| 00:17.16 | jhutchins | !contrib |
| 00:17.16 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
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| 00:17.36 | jhutchins | !non-free |
| 00:17.36 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:17.49 | bernat | ojmode: a new install won't use contrib as it won't use non-free |
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| 00:18.08 | ojmode | it has main and contrib in the sources.list, is why i asked |
| 00:18.12 | d3lxa | hello, it's been a few days I'm trying to make stop freezing my "NAS"-server, using XFS+luks+raid5+nfs, it hangs in xfs somehow, syslog of blocked task http://sprunge.us/cUKV any idea how to fix please? |
| 00:18.13 | usrnix | Avoid contrib and non-free, they're there for weeming purposes, they're never recommended to install really |
| 00:18.35 | bernat | usrnix: that's not true |
| 00:18.35 | jhutchins | Weaning? |
| 00:18.54 | bernat | ojmode: a new install has main and contrib??? |
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| 00:19.25 | ojmode | bernat: yes but its likely a modified image because it is for a vps |
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| 00:20.17 | jarkko_ | STEAMOS IS DEBIAN BASED |
| 00:20.25 | usrnix | jhutchins: perhaps xD |
| 00:20.35 | bigdebbyos | :D |
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| 00:21.13 | usrnix | And yea that's the debian philosophy, the contrib and non-free repos exist because people still need their software, but of-course people should be encourage to not use them if it can be avoided |
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| 00:21.58 | bernat | yeah, like when you need your firmare, right? |
| 00:22.06 | bernat | firmware* |
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| 00:23.50 | unclezipper | Is anyone here familiar with RAID? I was considering making a file server in RAID5, and then taking that and putting an encrypted LVM on it but I wasn't sure about how well it would work. Assuming a disk failure, would the RAID still work? |
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| 00:25.30 | usrnix | bernat: Yea, it's unfortunate that they're needed and anything you can do without you should, even if you can replace bad hardware, so the repos are helpful even though they're sortof the dark side |
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| 00:27.33 | buu | unclezipper: Yes, that's the whole point of raid |
| 00:27.41 | buu | unclezipper: Also the new trendy thing is zfs |
| 00:28.52 | unclezipper | buu: I *thought* so, but I wasn't sure if the RAID ran on top of the encryption, or the encryption on top of the RAID. Didn't want to find out the hard way |
| 00:29.03 | Mr_Queue | unclezipper: yerrr |
| 00:29.04 | buu | unclezipper: Raid is the lowest level. |
| 00:29.12 | buu | It prestends a single 'block device' to linux |
| 00:29.13 | Mr_Queue | LVM is on top of RAID |
| 00:29.17 | buu | *presents |
| 00:29.23 | Mr_Queue | what buu said |
| 00:29.32 | unclezipper | I'll look into the zfs |
| 00:29.36 | buu | unclezipper: You might want raid6 though |
| 00:29.47 | Mr_Queue | unclezipper: Have a hand full of thumb drives? |
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| 00:30.36 | unclezipper | buu: Nah... I think RAID5 will be enough. I feel safe enough with one-drive padding |
| 00:30.37 | Mr_Queue | buu: zfs isn't really new... New to Linux maybe, but not new. |
| 00:30.48 | unclezipper | Mr_Queue: I only have two. ): |
| 00:30.53 | buu | Mr_Queue: I said *trendy*! |
| 00:31.20 | Mr_Queue | unclezipper: that's fine... Do RAID 1 on your thumbs and add that block device as the PV. |
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| 00:31.55 | Mr_Queue | unclezipper: Then build a VG with that RAID 1 PV and then some LG's.. |
| 00:32.01 | Mr_Queue | Break it, and have fun |
| 00:32.39 | Mr_Queue | yank one of those thumbs out and see what happens.. Add it back and rebuild it in, stuff like that.. |
| 00:33.04 | Mr_Queue | Then when you're ready do your RAID 5/6 or whatever.. |
| 00:33.30 | blackjack | hy |
| 00:33.36 | Mr_Queue | buu: zfs is the shit though... If I needed it, I would use FreeBSD, but that's for another chat./ |
| 00:33.42 | unclezipper | Mr_Queue: Perhaps... I might also consider just doing it in a VM. I have plenty of drive space but not alot of spare drives; I really want to test out RAID5 rather than 1 |
| 00:34.19 | Mr_Queue | unclezipper: They're all the same really.. Get your head around RAID 1 and RAID 5 is just more drives.. |
| 00:34.28 | Mr_Queue | Unless you're smoking IO or something.. |
| 00:34.33 | Mr_Queue | You'll never notice. |
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| 00:35.56 | Mr_Queue | unclezipper: And rebuilding 2G thumbs into an array is WAY faster than 3T's or whatever you have. |
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| 00:38.21 | unclezipper | I wish I had a 3TB drive to screw around with... For now, I think I might try it out on the thumbdrives, if working with 1 is about the same as 5. Thanks for the advice, you guys |
| 00:38.54 | Mr_Queue | np.. sfdisk is your friend.. Good luck. |
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| 00:39.50 | zybiski | how do i set up speed governors? My core2duo laptop just goes from 1866 to 1600mhz (thanks conky!) when i unplug it. Expected battery life : 40 minutes. |
| 00:40.37 | Mr_Queue | cpufreq or something.. it's in laptop-tools |
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| 00:40.54 | Mr_Queue | You might not be able to, look for a wiki on your hardware and Linux. |
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| 00:42.16 | dbb_ | hi all - I assume this is simple but I will ask out load for the 2013 version... |
| 00:42.37 | dbb_ | if I use Debian as a base OS on a headless server, and I want to run 2-6 VMs, each with their own web address |
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| 00:43.01 | Mr_Queue | Use KVM. |
| 00:43.07 | dbb_ | I have one static IP (likely).. so something on the base routes the requests |
| 00:43.14 | Mr_Queue | You can still do it. |
| 00:43.30 | Mr_Queue | You'll just NAT the rest. |
| 00:44.00 | dbb_ | yes NAT .. what sfwr on the debian host routes the requests? |
| 00:44.08 | Mr_Queue | Your one static will be public and you'll just need to forward traffic on ports to what you have behind NAT. |
| 00:44.23 | Mr_Queue | You'll be doing it with iptables. |
| 00:44.23 | dbb_ | I want to avoid super-arcane firewall things.. |
| 00:44.27 | Mr_Queue | Nope. |
| 00:44.28 | dbb_ | :-( |
| 00:44.31 | Mr_Queue | Not going to happen. |
| 00:44.44 | Mr_Queue | You're going to get good at iptables or buy IP's. |
| 00:44.51 | dbb_ | hm |
| 00:45.01 | Mr_Queue | OR... |
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| 00:45.24 | Mr_Queue | You can have 1 public facing machine and a bunch only on the local network.. |
| 00:45.53 | Mr_Queue | But if you want those behind your 1 IP to see the world you've some cool network work to do. |
| 00:46.13 | dbb_ | well honestly the sites are low volume.. but I think the right thing is to get used to VM's instead of hosting them all on the same OS machine |
| 00:46.20 | unclezipper | Not sure if you're trying to run this on your LAN or if this is to be public, but if it's the former then it would be easy to set your VMs ethernet adapters to bridged mode |
| 00:46.35 | dbb_ | so NOT the old apache setups.. |
| 00:46.39 | Mr_Queue | dbb_: Well if they're low volume why do you need VM's anyhow? Just vhost them |
| 00:46.57 | dbb_ | I am thinking it out.. just getting feedback |
| 00:47.07 | dbb_ | they are used.. its not NO volume :-) |
| 00:47.44 | Mr_Queue | Well, you're not going to really 'save' anything if one host is smoked on CPU/IO anyhow.. |
| 00:48.11 | Mr_Queue | You'll save nothing.. Just have different configs for different servers... One is apache, one is node.js, shit like that. |
| 00:48.45 | Mr_Queue | You probably want to do something else.. VM's are cool, but not always the solution. |
| 00:48.49 | Mr_Queue | All I'm getting at. |
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| 00:49.16 | dbb_ | I definitely have one machine where there are some .so libs that have to be the way they aer now.. so thats a VM |
| 00:49.26 | Mr_Queue | There ya go.. |
| 00:49.30 | dbb_ | yeah |
| 00:49.44 | Mr_Queue | You can do proxy stuff too.. |
| 00:49.49 | dbb_ | ? |
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| 00:51.53 | dbb_ | I have a colleague that does this quite a bit, and I believe he uses QEMU |
| 00:52.12 | Mr_Queue | Like send traffic to a non public facing server to process requests for "there are some .so libs that have to be the way they aer now" and return the results to the public facing box.. |
| 00:52.23 | Mr_Queue | Yeah QEMU would be for KVM.. |
| 00:52.23 | Bhaal666 | Whonix users, are you here? |
| 00:52.31 | Mr_Queue | Just you pal. |
| 00:52.31 | Bhaal666 | or tails users |
| 00:52.37 | Mr_Queue | Same, you again. |
| 00:52.48 | Bhaal666 | i don't uses them |
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| 01:12.52 | Coburn | Quick question: With Wheezy, is it possible to ditch out the 3.2.x kernel for a shiny new kernel? |
| 01:13.52 | Coburn | I know I can compile my own, however I don't want to run the risk of botching things up. I'd like to know if there's a later kernel available for download in the repo |
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| 01:17.16 | bernat_ | Coburn: you can install newer kernels from backports |
| 01:17.18 | dvs | !tell Coburn about bpo kernel |
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| 01:21.01 | peterrooney | Coburn: I've not had problems running later kernels. Your mileage may vary. Knowing what you are doing that needs a later kernel might help you get a better answer |
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| 01:21.19 | morsonai | what are some basic steps to take to secure a Debian server that are particular to Dian? |
| 01:21.22 | morsonai | Debian* |
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| 01:23.05 | wsky | Morrolan: turn off the internet connection |
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| 01:26.00 | zybiski | Mr_Queue, downloading laptop-tools now |
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| 01:29.55 | Coburn | [11:23:06] <wsky> Morrolan: turn off the internet connection <- ha ha |
| 01:30.34 | wsky | 4/14 |
| 01:30.36 | wsky | whoops |
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| 01:33.32 | FreeBSD-TheUser | Hi |
| 01:33.46 | wsky | hi |
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| 01:34.40 | FreeBSD-TheUser | Any benifits of kfreedebain over the linux debian ? for end user and security? |
| 01:35.59 | FreeBSD-TheUser | ? |
| 01:36.10 | jope_ | o_O!? |
| 01:36.50 | FreeBSD-TheUser | ?? |
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| 01:37.41 | zykotick9 | FreeBSD-TheUser: fyi, due to lack of interest, i believe kfreebsd isn't going to become an official release |
| 01:38.14 | FreeBSD-TheUser | Really ? |
| 01:38.30 | Bhaal666 | FreeBSD-TheUser: i think it is the same thing |
| 01:38.32 | zykotick9 | sorry, i don't remember the source/link |
| 01:38.50 | Bhaal666 | i mean for user and security |
| 01:38.57 | cthuluh | zykotick9: I believe it already is |
| 01:39.01 | zykotick9 | Bhaal666: kbsd != linux |
| 01:39.10 | zykotick9 | cthuluh: developer-preview is all right now |
| 01:39.33 | FreeBSD-TheUser | Aha, zykotick9 never mid |
| 01:39.37 | cthuluh | that's not what http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/kfreebsd-amd64/ch02s01.html.en seem to say |
| 01:39.38 | FreeBSD-TheUser | mind |
| 01:39.53 | Bhaal666 | zykotick9: i know |
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| 01:40.58 | FreeBSD-TheUser | ok were is the debian off topic channel? |
| 01:41.04 | FreeBSD-TheUser | on irc |
| 01:41.05 | FreeBSD-TheUser | ? |
| 01:41.10 | uBUXUBu | does debian do radeon 5570? |
| 01:41.37 | zykotick9 | FreeBSD-TheUser: #debian-offtopic - one here and one on OFTC |
| 01:41.49 | uBUXUBu | or will i be reduced to my basic onboard graphics |
| 01:42.32 | zybiski | 5570 should work |
| 01:42.41 | FreeBSD-TheUser | zykotick9> thnx |
| 01:42.50 | zybiski | its not a fast gaming card so might go with the opensource driver too |
| 01:43.05 | uBUXUBu | its pretty good one though |
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| 01:43.10 | zybiski | youll be able to play some games on that |
| 01:43.18 | uBUXUBu | i only play one |
| 01:43.22 | zybiski | which one? |
| 01:43.28 | uBUXUBu | 2nd life |
| 01:43.52 | dvs | uBUXUBu: It'll work: Radeon HD 5700 series ME microcode (radeon/JUNIPER_me.bin) |
| 01:44.02 | uBUXUBu | it breathed new life into my core2 duo |
| 01:44.10 | zybiski | yeah it would |
| 01:44.14 | uBUXUBu | whew |
| 01:44.23 | uBUXUBu | all for 34 bucks new |
| 01:44.31 | zybiski | its a good match for the c2d |
| 01:44.36 | uBUXUBu | yup |
| 01:44.42 | zybiski | keeps the power envelope within reason too |
| 01:44.49 | uBUXUBu | yeah 42 watts |
| 01:44.59 | zybiski | not bad |
| 01:45.12 | uBUXUBu | runs like snake bitten indian |
| 01:45.57 | uBUXUBu | i gota lil asus with an i7 and a 5870 and this old girl isnt too awful far behind |
| 01:46.53 | uBUXUBu | i saw how debian outranks ubuntu now and am tempted to try it |
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| 01:49.32 | FreeBSD-TheUser | Ok, is there any virus or malware that stuck to usb drives (flashs or hdd), like windows on debian ? |
| 01:50.38 | uBUXUBu | did u scan the drive with mbam? |
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| 01:50.58 | FreeBSD-TheUser | what is mbam? |
| 01:51.05 | uBUXUBu | malwarebytes |
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| 01:51.24 | uBUXUBu | its one of the best anti malware scanners on the planet |
| 01:51.31 | FreeBSD-TheUser | Aha, on windows ? or debian ? |
| 01:51.57 | uBUXUBu | well u could plug the usb drive into a windows computer and scan it |
| 01:52.48 | FreeBSD-TheUser | im using avast |
| 01:52.57 | FreeBSD-TheUser | avast free |
| 01:53.02 | uBUXUBu | then do the avast pre boot scan |
| 01:53.04 | FreeBSD-TheUser | it says nothing |
| 01:53.08 | uBUXUBu | its on the free version |
| 01:53.15 | uBUXUBu | use the pre boot option |
| 01:53.19 | dbb_ | is rootkithunter relevent these days? |
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| 01:53.41 | uBUXUBu | are u on the latest version avast free? |
| 01:54.00 | FreeBSD-TheUser | yes |
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| 01:54.53 | uBUXUBu | cool avast free will allow u to create a custom scan, will also let u scan that drive alone or just do the preboot scan "all drives" and it will run while the OS is sitting their dead and whack everything |
| 01:54.56 | nurupo | for some reason the latest version of avast free suddenly started barking on some of Qt libraries |
| 01:55.15 | uBUXUBu | powerhouse tool |
| 01:55.48 | FreeBSD-TheUser | Qt on windows ?? |
| 01:55.59 | nurupo | yeah |
| 01:56.17 | FreeBSD-TheUser | damn windows |
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| 01:56.35 | nurupo | previous version of avast free didn't do that |
| 01:56.49 | nurupo | it's the 2014 one that does |
| 01:57.00 | uBUXUBu | the bset rootkit killers are kapersky tdss killer and mbam antirootkit |
| 01:57.04 | nurupo | they will probably will resolve this shortly anyway |
| 01:57.44 | FreeBSD-TheUser | im not trust any antimalware or antiviruses on windows |
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| 01:58.08 | uBUXUBu | well i test them and some are good when used together |
| 01:58.08 | nurupo | anyway, can someone help me with wi-fi usb stick setup on 7.2.0? it seems i connected to the router, but it doesn't assign any ip to me |
| 01:58.10 | FreeBSD-TheUser | because all of them failed more than once |
| 01:58.17 | yeyeman | the installer freezes on language select |
| 01:58.31 | nurupo | *it seems to connect |
| 01:58.46 | Coburn | FreeBSD-TheUser: BitDefender is my partner in this digital war |
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| 02:00.00 | uBUXUBu | i just pull the hard drive out and plug it into a clean machine and scan it with everything i have over and over till they all say its clean |
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| 02:00.59 | FreeBSD-TheUser | Ok, if it is infected(usd drive), is plugging it on debian harm debian ? |
| 02:01.01 | Coburn | uBUXUBu: there's an error in your logic there, what about registry infetions? |
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| 02:01.02 | FreeBSD-TheUser | debian 7.2.0 |
| 02:01.05 | FreeBSD-TheUser | ? |
| 02:01.17 | Coburn | FreeBSD-TheUser: if a USB drive has an infected file, Debian will be immune |
| 02:01.37 | Coburn | from there, you just install clamav, run a scan and let it go to town |
| 02:01.51 | zykotick9 | wonders when windows anti-virus became a topic for #d |
| 02:01.55 | FreeBSD-TheUser | Coburn> under any circumastances ? |
| 02:02.14 | uBUXUBu | yes sometimes a few shadows are left their but its only s history...i actually write down the names of the malware and go edit the registry later-manually-even though they do not run |
| 02:02.17 | wsky | zykotick9: why wouyld you talk about anything else? |
| 02:02.31 | uBUXUBu | i just like i tperfect |
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| 02:03.32 | Coburn | FreeBSD-TheUser: you're getting confused |
| 02:03.39 | Coburn | Windows uses EXE files to execute software |
| 02:03.49 | Coburn | Linux uses executables, but it's completely different format |
| 02:03.58 | FreeBSD-TheUser | Yes I do |
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| 02:04.08 | Coburn | unless you're using WINE; you cannot infect a Linux box with a Windows virus |
| 02:04.28 | Coburn | There are very rare cases that Linux can get infected, but such infections can be cleaned |
| 02:04.44 | nurupo | here is some info on wireless setup https://gist.github.com/nurupo/7bccdff3af1c708a6982 |
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| 02:04.52 | uBUXUBu | ive never had an infection in linux |
| 02:04.59 | FreeBSD-TheUser | So, if it wasn't windows virus ? |
| 02:05.00 | wsky | how do you know? |
| 02:05.03 | uBUXUBu | if i did it let the os run perfect |
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| 02:05.52 | uBUXUBu | do the linux virus allow the OS to perform flawlessly? or can an experienced user see and feel the difference? |
| 02:06.07 | nurupo | anything else i need to do for it to get an ip? |
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| 02:06.27 | wsky | uBUXUBu: computer viruses are just software, they can do anything |
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| 02:06.34 | Coburn | > anything |
| 02:06.40 | Coburn | they cannot destroy hardware. |
| 02:06.48 | wsky | uBUXUBu: the reason linux malware is not very common is that linux is not very popular |
| 02:06.57 | FreeBSD-TheUser | if !0 => 1 |
| 02:07.04 | uBUXUBu | everytime i have taken a lokk into an infected computer i could tell right away |
| 02:07.17 | wsky | Coburn: yeah try messing with cpu voltage, fan speed, cpu clocking, bios, stuff like that |
| 02:07.20 | uBUXUBu | i wonder if it is like that with linux |
| 02:07.24 | fengshaun | I'm trying to boot gparted-live (based on debian) and it freezes during the boot process because of nouveau. I tried nomodeset on the kernel line and it kicks me to commandline |
| 02:07.28 | wsky | Coburn: it gonna fry in minutes |
| 02:07.32 | fengshaun | how can I get to the desktop without nouveau? |
| 02:07.44 | Coburn | fengshaun: use xvesa |
| 02:07.47 | nurupo | you are not helping |
| 02:07.50 | fengshaun | Coburn: how? |
| 02:08.55 | nurupo | will ask ubuntu guys, maybe they know something |
| 02:10.02 | FreeBSD-TheUser | Ok, is there any or possible to have cross-platform virus ? |
| 02:10.48 | uBUXUBu | did u give your password? |
| 02:11.05 | FreeBSD-TheUser | which password ? |
| 02:11.12 | FreeBSD-TheUser | root ? |
| 02:11.36 | uBUXUBu | nothing installs w/o password |
| 02:11.42 | uBUXUBu | right guys? |
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| 02:15.39 | jarkko_ | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU0MzY |
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| 02:18.27 | ctmjr | clear |
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| 02:43.59 | Mr_Queue | nurupo> will ask ubuntu guys, maybe they know something <--- knee slapper right there. |
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| 02:44.21 | dvs | !pal nurupo |
| 02:44.22 | dpkg | points at nurupo and laughs |
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| 02:52.35 | Mr_Queue | Man I miss how this channel used to be.. |
| 02:53.21 | Mr_Queue | 1401 nicks <---- minus 1100 |
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| 02:59.21 | LtL | Mr_Queue: file a ticket :-) |
| 02:59.32 | jarkko_ | used to be what |
| 03:00.00 | nimitz | whats the core package for Xorg? |
| 03:00.21 | nimitz | xserver-xorg-core ? |
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| 03:02.21 | up365 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.30 | LtL | nimitz: i believe so yes, you can check, apt-cache search xorg |
| 03:03.40 | nimitz | hmm, so even a barebones net install comes with Xorg |
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| 03:05.20 | nimitz | and exim4?? |
| 03:05.30 | nimitz | i need something lighter |
| 03:05.48 | LtL | nimitz: it's optional, apt-cache show xserver-xorg-core |
| 03:07.45 | Mr_Queue | nimitz: I think if you skip tasksel you can do it by hand.. |
| 03:08.05 | Mr_Queue | Else just build one yourself or debootstrap or something. |
| 03:08.19 | nimitz | yeah, i didnt try "expert" mode |
| 03:08.32 | nimitz | is there a "barebones server" image? |
| 03:09.05 | Mr_Queue | Well nothing like a Gentoo stage-3, but you netinstall will get you pretty close.. |
| 03:09.53 | Mr_Queue | I'd just debootstrap and clean up as you go if you need the booted machine that small. |
| 03:11.16 | Mr_Queue | man this mail server has been whooping my ass all day...... I'm trying to do postfix+mysql+dovecot... When I get done I'm going to write a script for this... |
| 03:12.08 | Mr_Queue | I'm a bit shocked there isn't one hammered already for the basics.. Oh well... I'll get er done.. . |
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| 03:20.37 | nimitz | i wish the "expert" netinstall would like you choose core packages |
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| 03:23.59 | nurupo | fixed |
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| 03:38.54 | esaym153 | what is the website where you can just paste in numbers in a box and it will draw charts for you? |
| 03:39.14 | esaym153 | thought I saw it on planet.debian like 2 years ago or something.. |
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| 03:39.59 | Mr_Queue | Never heard of it, but sounds neat. Drop it here if you find it. |
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| 03:42.49 | linuxuz3r | hi |
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| 04:02.49 | nimitz | is iceweasel the exact same source as firefox? or is it an actual fork? |
| 04:03.12 | Arrowmaster | same source just with backported patches |
| 04:03.34 | nimitz | so same version number etc? |
| 04:03.39 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:03.45 | nimitz | great, thanks |
| 04:03.59 | wols_ | just a different name and some mozilla owned icons missing |
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| 04:20.26 | zykotick9 | nimitz: if your interested in a newer version of iceweasel you might want to check mozilla.debian.net |
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| 04:24.40 | james41382_ | Recently the touchpad on my laptop freezes when logging in under a particular account. There are two accounts on this laptop and it's fine under the second account. How do I go about trouble shooting this? |
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| 04:34.25 | mns | How do I figure out why the fan on my ThinkPad T430 is running for so lone, when the load on the system, according to htop is 0.30/0.36/0.53 ? And there isn't any activity on the system either, though some background processes probably from chromium and iceweasel for some of the pages I've got open |
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| 04:37.27 | wols_ | mns: powertop |
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| 04:43.09 | mns | wols_: says fan is doing 3418 rpm. doesn't tell me what is causing that |
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| 04:46.25 | wols_ | mns: temperature is causing it |
| 04:46.55 | wols_ | mns: use thinkfan |
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| 04:48.48 | mns | wols_: yes I know its temp causing it, but I've got very low load average. also nothing blocking the vents either. I'll try thinkfan |
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| 05:01.35 | guest43242 | so.... I have a wierd thing: |
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| 05:02.32 | guest43242 | bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: Read-only file system |
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| 05:02.46 | guest43242 | ops |
| 05:02.48 | guest43242 | sorry |
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| 05:03.13 | guest43242 | and web browser don't open |
| 05:03.17 | guest43242 | so I can't google it |
| 05:03.38 | Guest81337 | aptitude purge ~o |
| 05:03.48 | Guest81337 | ANybody know what the above command does? |
| 05:04.02 | Guest81337 | Any danger in running it? |
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| 05:04.17 | themill | dpkg: tell Guest81337 about aptitude search |
| 05:04.17 | Rusty1 | man aptitude in a terminal might tell you |
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| 05:05.12 | mns | Guest81337: aptitude -s purge ~o .... give that a try .... -s says "simulate without actually doing the action" |
| 05:05.14 | Guest81337 | Is that command safe to run. It wants to remove some images. |
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| 05:05.48 | Guest81337 | It asked to remove a bunch of packages. I said n |
| 05:06.17 | mns | well did you see what packages they were ? |
| 05:06.18 | Guest81337 | libdb4.2{p} libdb4.3{p} libdb4.4{p} libdb4.5{p} |
| 05:06.18 | Guest81337 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.18 | Guest81337 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.30 | Guest81337 | THe above are some of them. |
| 05:06.35 | nimitz | anyone has an example .Xresources with urxvt config to share? |
| 05:06.37 | mns | do you use gcj ? |
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| 05:06.58 | Guest81337 | linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64{p} linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64{p |
| 05:07.12 | themill | Guest81337: only you can know whether you need those packages or not; they're no longer available from any repository in your sources.list |
| 05:07.33 | Guest81337 | OH. TY I see |
| 05:08.03 | mns | the ~o is telling it that its obsoleted packages |
| 05:08.40 | Guest81337 | I guess I can remove all that. So those packages would just hang around if I don't delete them? |
| 05:08.57 | mns | yup |
| 05:09.48 | Guest81337 | I am about to do a dist-upgrade so now is the best time I think. |
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| 05:11.45 | mns | I think there might be some settings that tell aptitude to get rid of obsoleted packages if they are not being used. I could be wrong. |
| 05:14.37 | themill | Guest81337: yes, cleaning up packages you don't need prior to a big upgrade can make the process simpler; you probably want to repeat after the dist-upgrade |
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| 05:27.26 | jarkko | does debian use stil 2.6 series of kernels by default? |
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| 05:27.59 | wols_ | jarkko: no |
| 05:28.07 | saliak | Has anyone successfully setup Darwin Calendar Server for a group? I'm having a hell of a time finding any documentation on how to configure it, or any help getting around some basic SSL (i think) issues. |
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| 05:29.13 | jarkko | interesting updates according to distrowatch...gparted, mesa, and some others |
| 05:29.34 | jarkko | and steamos is using debian as base, not ubuntu !!! |
| 05:30.25 | wols_ | they use a different kernel however. maybe based on the 3.10 debian kernel but still extensively patched |
| 05:30.38 | wols_ | for response time instead of throughput |
| 05:31.05 | jarkko | well i dont see that as a problem if they upstream good patches |
| 05:31.22 | jarkko | but i just wonder where is css go |
| 05:31.33 | jarkko | it's not even beta yet |
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| 05:32.04 | jarkko | about gparted according to changes it should be able to resize partitions in use now |
| 05:32.22 | jarkko | apt is getting some upgrade too |
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| 05:35.05 | jarkko | speaking about kernel...it gets updated everyweek |
| 05:35.06 | jarkko | that's fast |
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| 05:39.03 | nimitz | just ran a little test, pretty interesting results: 2 vms with the same "virtual hardware" one with the most basic arch (64bit) install running dwm and the other with the most basic debian (32bit) netinstall running dwn |
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| 05:39.23 | nimitz | memory use with dwm,x,mc,htop,xbindkeys and 3 urxvt: arch 60MB ram used, debian 41mb ram used |
| 05:40.13 | jennie | I followed this guide http://goo.gl/GJGV8J t create ftp server but when from browser I am trying to access it , it is giving error 'incorrect login' please help |
| 05:42.52 | zykotick9 | nimitz: 32bit vs 64bit is a little bit apples-n-oranges (one would expect the 64 to use more) |
| 05:44.42 | nimitz | i'll try 64 vs 64 |
| 05:44.51 | nimitz | but i still find that impressive |
| 05:45.13 | nimitz | 33% less |
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| 05:50.06 | guest43242 | anyone knows how to check if the fs became read only? |
| 05:50.44 | guest43242 | anyone know how to reverse the file system being read only? |
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| 05:53.35 | rryoumaa | mount. remount. |
| 05:53.40 | rryoumaa | guest43242: ^ |
| 05:54.07 | guest43242 | ? |
| 05:54.28 | guest43242 | what? |
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| 05:55.37 | guest43242 | mount remount / |
| 05:55.41 | guest43242 | ? |
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| 05:57.38 | guest43242 | # mount -o remount / |
| 05:57.38 | guest43242 | mount: cannot remount block device /dev/sdc2 read-write, is write-protected |
| 05:58.29 | guest43242 | o crap |
| 05:58.41 | guest43242 | maybe I'll just reboot |
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| 05:59.42 | guest43242 | # mount remount |
| 05:59.42 | guest43242 | mount: can't find remount in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
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| 06:10.03 | Hippo | Hey guys, newbie here. When I go "aptitude install chromium" I get " Depends: libspeechd2 which is a virtual package." and a few more depends, any solutions? |
| 06:10.55 | Hippo | pastie.org/8551382 |
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| 06:19.06 | LtL | Hippo: try chromium-browser |
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| 06:20.10 | Hippo | LtL: "chromium-browser : Depends: chromium (>= 10) but it is not going to be installed" |
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| 06:22.12 | LtL | Hippo: you could try using aptitude, what debian version are you running |
| 06:22.52 | SpeedyG | Hi, how can I prevent a package to be installed? I've been googling it for a while and trying some stuff but it all doesnt seem to work to block packages from being installed |
| 06:22.54 | LtL | Hippo: sorry, you used aptitude. strange |
| 06:23.16 | Hippo | Just finished a fresh install, used debian-7.2.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 06:24.07 | LtL | Hippo: you may need to add contrib to sources.list i'm not sure |
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| 06:27.15 | LtL | Hippo: you did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade yes? |
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| 06:28.54 | LtL | Hippo: try aptitude why-not chromium-browser |
| 06:29.09 | Hippo | LtL, yeah I did that, but didn't have contrib. Added it now and tried again and it looks promising.. Thanks :) (deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib) |
| 06:29.25 | LtL | Hippo: good luck |
| 06:29.43 | Hippo | Thanks, time to get some sun! |
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| 06:30.23 | SpeedyG | hm, wish there'd be some sun here.. |
| 06:31.47 | Hippo | Melbourne weee :) |
| 06:32.00 | SpeedyG | Amsterdam :( :P |
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| 06:32.29 | Hippo | Shouldnt you still be asleep?' |
| 06:32.42 | SpeedyG | nah, it's like.. 730 now |
| 06:32.45 | SpeedyG | been up since 5 |
| 06:33.02 | SpeedyG | which is like... usual during the week... so hard to not get up at 5 in the weekends |
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| 06:34.45 | Hippo | Yeah, same here. Hah |
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| 06:38.05 | oren | I have 4 Hard Drives and want to dedicate 2 of them for raid 1 - http://i.imgur.com/X4qzgBa.jpg. I see 'NO ROOT FILE SYSTEM IS DEFINED'. any ideas? |
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| 06:46.22 | epitamizor | did the lvm get created? |
| 06:46.50 | epitamizor | you also need to create a 2nd volume group |
| 06:47.18 | epitamizor | inside the lvm is volumes |
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| 07:00.24 | martman | i have both deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 07:00.25 | martman | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.26 | martman | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main |
| 07:00.35 | james41382 | How can I trouble shoot my mouse freezing when I login to the gnome shell? |
| 07:00.41 | martman | in my sources file, im not sure why. is it safe to remove one? |
| 07:00.46 | martman | there both the same right? |
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| 07:03.03 | the_cyber_guy | i have installed wheezy with xfce. i want to change the control theme. how can i do so ? is there something like xfce-theme-manager in debian repos ? |
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| 07:10.27 | guest43242 | anyone know the command to remount / rw? |
| 07:11.32 | nimitz | just tried glxgears and i got GL_RENDERER = Chromium |
| 07:11.34 | nimitz | is that normal? |
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| 07:12.49 | archtimmy | guest43242: mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 07:14.00 | guest43242 | mount: cannot remount block device /dev/sdc1 read-write, is write-protected |
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| 07:14.12 | guest43242 | archtimmy, ^ I get this error |
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| 07:16.49 | archtimmy | does dmesg say anything? |
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| 07:17.34 | guest43242 | dmesg say lots of things |
| 07:17.48 | guest43242 | : ext4_remount:4746: Abort forced by user |
| 07:18.06 | guest43242 | call trace there |
| 07:18.08 | guest43242 | hmmm |
| 07:18.41 | jennie | I have setup vsftpd FTP server at my debian but it I am able to login as my account username only and it is showing home folder and its subfolders only , I want to login as root and access everything on my debian , how to do it ? |
| 07:18.54 | guest43242 | I started accidently a vmware on the same FS |
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| 07:19.27 | guest43242 | so some stuff in demsg maybe from starting that vmware |
| 07:19.36 | guest43242 | ok |
| 07:19.46 | archtimmy | did you do a fsck? |
| 07:19.47 | guest43242 | I'll just try to reboot |
| 07:19.57 | guest43242 | archtimmy, no |
| 07:20.50 | guest43242 | archtimmy, I try to install pcbsd on a partition here, and it accidently booted the debian in the vm from the same partition I am on now |
| 07:20.57 | guest43242 | that probably caused some problems |
| 07:21.06 | guest43242 | due to which it got into ro |
| 07:21.40 | archtimmy | seems most likely |
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| 07:22.32 | archtimmy | just unmount it and run fsck |
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| 07:35.48 | oren | epitamizor: i don't know if the lvm was created. how do i verify that? |
| 07:37.35 | dardevelin | i know this there is debian-next |
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| 07:37.53 | dardevelin | but since that's a little "slow/dead" mind if i pose some questions here ? |
| 07:38.04 | epitamizor | pvdisplay should wokr |
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| 07:38.24 | epitamizor | vgdisplay for volumes |
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| 07:40.17 | dardevelin | was having an issue with intel ucode, for kernels above 3.2. solution was to install iucode ( a dependency) and intel-microcode. the issue with not fully populating udevd because of it, disappeared. however there is this new problem : http://cidadecool.com/z-tunes/debian-sid|experimental/problem/Foto0817.jpg |
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| 07:41.00 | oren | epitamizor: i am still in the 'partition disk' screen of the installation process. is it possible to run those commands? |
| 07:42.23 | epitamizor | i would create it manully |
| 07:42.54 | oren | epitamizor: create what? lvm? |
| 07:42.59 | oren | or raid? |
| 07:43.34 | epitamizor | yeah create raid in the menu then setup lvm manulally |
| 07:43.51 | oren | awesome! can u guide me about doing that? |
| 07:43.56 | epitamizor | ugh my ytping sucks |
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| 07:44.43 | james41382 | Okay I've narrowed it down to the gnome settings daemon. If I disable this from starting automatically when I login then the mouse freeze does not occur. |
| 07:44.55 | epitamizor | no, but there is great guide at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LVM |
| 07:45.22 | james41382 | Any experienced users have any insight here? I'm about to read up on gnome settings daemon, but I'm at a loss. |
| 07:45.43 | james41382 | err... wait... it's something else. |
| 07:45.47 | james41382 | be back. |
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| 07:47.17 | james41382 | Nevermind... yes it is the gnome settings daemon that causes the freeze. |
| 07:48.26 | oren | epitamizor: i guess i'll give up on lvm/raid. it's a bit too complex for me. thank you for your help! |
| 07:49.03 | dardevelin | james41382, which version of gnome ? |
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| 07:49.41 | oren | hi all. i have 4 drives and i want to install debian on 1 of them. the rest of the drives can be just additional storage space. can someone guide me about doing that? |
| 07:49.53 | james41382 | I'm on wheezy... let me check. |
| 07:50.26 | dardevelin | humm, i guess you are on 3.4 or 3.8 (maybe 3.2 but unlikely)... |
| 07:50.59 | james41382 | gnome-shell --version returns 3.4.2 |
| 07:51.17 | dardevelin | alright, but that can be that single package |
| 07:51.22 | dardevelin | do you have synaptic package manager ? |
| 07:51.33 | dardevelin | you can use it to check other gnome packages |
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| 07:51.43 | james41382 | yes.. i think i've seen it graphically but i can't remember where |
| 07:51.49 | dardevelin | example i have some 3.10 mixed with 3.8 |
| 07:52.04 | dardevelin | you can type gksu synaptic-pkexec |
| 07:53.07 | james41382 | glancing through synaptic after filtering "gnome" it looks as though most version are 3.4.x |
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| 07:53.42 | james41382 | the mouse doesn't freeze under another account when logging in it's isolated to one particular account. |
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| 07:57.28 | dardevelin | james41382, hummm |
| 07:58.35 | dardevelin | i hate to do this. but try reach someone in #gnome GIMPNet while lurking here seeing if someone can help you |
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| 07:59.17 | dardevelin | userland is not often my thing. and since i run debian sid+experimental (and almost always in single user+root) |
| 07:59.23 | dardevelin | have no idea on that issue |
| 07:59.54 | james41382 | I have been running wheezy on a clean install for over 4 months then all the sudden in the middle of a session it just stopped working (just the touchpad). I thought rebooting would help, but it didn't. The usb wireless mouse works fine though. |
| 08:00.07 | dardevelin | ok |
| 08:00.10 | dardevelin | wait |
| 08:00.40 | james41382 | It has to be a setting that gnome-settings-daemon has stored and is loading. |
| 08:01.05 | james41382 | Why it occured in the middle of a session escapes me, but with my little knowledge that is what my intuition is telling me. |
| 08:02.33 | james41382 | I'm going to logout and back in real quick. brb |
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| 08:04.36 | james | That wasn't it.. heh |
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| 08:05.22 | james41382 | dardevelin: Which server / channel were you saying I should check? I will just stay in terminal for now.. |
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| 08:05.36 | dardevelin | GIMPNet #gnome channel |
| 08:05.45 | dardevelin | i am checking with a friend of mine |
| 08:05.48 | dardevelin | the touchpad |
| 08:05.55 | dardevelin | i think he had something similar |
| 08:06.01 | james41382 | I'm not very experienced with irssi.. can i do multiple servers / channel? |
| 08:06.02 | dardevelin | but he went to grab some tea |
| 08:06.04 | dardevelin | so... |
| 08:06.09 | dardevelin | james41382, are you using xchat ? |
| 08:06.13 | james41382 | Cool.. no hurry here. |
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| 08:06.43 | james41382 | dardevelin: I was.. but after this last failed attempt i am now in term on tty 2 using irssi so i don't have to keep quitting/starting... etc |
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| 08:07.06 | james41382 | can irssi do multiple servers/channels? |
| 08:07.41 | dardevelin | probably. i don't know i don't use irssi sorry |
| 08:08.00 | james41382 | no worries.. |
| 08:08.07 | dardevelin | you can probably "hack away" and just set a new tty to open a new instance of it for the sake of rapidness |
| 08:08.08 | james41382 | i'll figure it out.. =] |
| 08:08.17 | james41382 | right... or use screen |
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| 08:12.12 | robosleep | james41382: yes you definitely can |
| 08:12.45 | james41382 | robosleep: what's the quick and dirty break down... does it just focus on one server/channel at a time? |
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| 08:12.51 | robosleep | james41382: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Irssi |
| 08:12.55 | james41382 | thanks |
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| 08:12.59 | dardevelin | james41382, -> satrionics [<-] |
| 08:13.15 | james41382 | dardevelin: eh? |
| 08:13.16 | robosleep | james41382: yeah, each channel has a different window, server activity all gets reported to the main window |
| 08:14.03 | dardevelin | james41382, explain, what happens to him please :) |
| 08:14.30 | dardevelin | james41382, he is the one that might be able to help you... |
| 08:15.37 | james41382 | dardevelin: Okay thanks. |
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| 08:17.26 | james41382 | satrionics: Running wheezy fine for several months. Yesterday in the middle of a x session the touchpad freezes (cursor and buttons). I have a usb/wireless mouse hooked up and it's working fine. I disabled all startup programs trying to trouble shoot the issue. Narrowed it down to gnome settings daemon. |
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| 08:18.49 | satrionics | is it hooked up via a hub? |
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| 08:19.21 | dardevelin | satrionics, the problem is the touchpad not the external from what i understood |
| 08:19.48 | satrionics | oh |
| 08:19.57 | dardevelin | james41382, my d**k suggestion would be upgrade to the gnome settings from 3.4 to 3.8 of unstable |
| 08:20.12 | satrionics | just wondered y he was using touchpad if he has a mouse lol |
| 08:20.41 | james41382 | well when it first occured i was away from home and i didn't have the mouse with me, which is how i noticed it |
| 08:21.00 | james41382 | when i'm away from home i don't usually bring the mouse with me. |
| 08:21.13 | oren | i have 4 drives and i don't know how to create raid/lvm. i want to use 1 drive as my os and the other 3 as additional drives. how do i do that? |
| 08:21.15 | dardevelin | james41382, have you by any chance pressed fn+lock_touchpad_key |
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| 08:22.23 | james41382 | dardevelin: i don't think so i was just in the middle of loading a movie into mplayer when it occured, but i suppose anything is possible. i've been known to accidentally turn off my wifi with fn on occasion |
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| 08:23.14 | satrionics | the reason i asked if he was using a hub dardevelin is because sometimes hubs can turn themselves off |
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| 08:23.25 | satrionics | but i misread |
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| 08:23.59 | satrionics | if hubs get overloaded they stop powering keyboards, mice, etc. |
| 08:24.07 | james41382 | dardevelin: i don't see anything that seems to relate to the touchpad on the fn keys... it's video, wifi, batt, contrast, audio... |
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| 08:24.30 | satrionics | is there a small button near your touchpad james41382? |
| 08:24.32 | dardevelin | does your touchpad have a hardware button to lock it ? |
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| 08:24.44 | satrionics | which turns it on n off |
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| 08:25.06 | dardevelin | satrionics, i think is software lock because it works under other users. only a specific user has it locked |
| 08:25.08 | james41382 | no it's not hardware related i don't think because i can use it in another session with another user while it is not working with my other user |
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| 08:25.22 | satrionics | ah ok |
| 08:25.29 | dardevelin | has considered gconf and or dconf to check out the mouse settings across the users |
| 08:25.34 | satrionics | so definately software related then |
| 08:25.58 | dardevelin | for instance gnome 3.10 assumes 2 finger scroll |
| 08:26.00 | james41382 | yes it appears so.. it shows up in dmesg and there don't seem to be any errors |
| 08:26.04 | dardevelin | which kind sucks in my touchpad |
| 08:26.13 | dardevelin | so i had to manually set to edge scroll |
| 08:27.25 | james41382 | i looked through some logs trying to find something, but the fact that it works with other users led me to the conclusion it's something specific to that user it freezes for when logging in. which then led me to trouble shooting by disabling startup programs... which in turn led me to the fact that when i enable gnome-settings-daemon the problem occurs. |
| 08:28.43 | james41382 | on the plus side i'm starting to get the hang of irssi i think |
| 08:28.58 | james41382 | =] |
| 08:29.03 | dardevelin | afk breakfast |
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| 08:31.09 | phix | james41382: irssi <3 |
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| 08:31.49 | satrionics | james41382, try checking the users configuration files not sure whether the touchpad config is in there |
| 08:31.52 | phix | and if you use mIRC you shouldn't be using IRC, you should be using facebook or something |
| 08:32.27 | satrionics | but then again, it doesnt sound like a configuration problem coz it works, but just switches off randomly |
| 08:32.58 | satrionics | mIRC = mIRC is really crap |
| 08:33.00 | satrionics | :P |
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| 08:35.04 | james41382 | satrionics: okay i'll look around /home/ |
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| 08:40.31 | banjo | hi problem with slim. with this .xinitrc http://paste.debian.net/70821/ openbox starts too when i choose dwm. so i have to exit openbox and see dwm. with this http://paste.debian.net/70823/ no window manager starts and fallback to slim. whats wrong? |
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| 08:41.55 | well_laid_lawn | slim has its' own config, checked that? |
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| 08:47.35 | james41382 | there are some settings in dconf related to touchpad and mouse looks like the same settings in the application called mouse under system settings though. |
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| 08:49.37 | james41382 | oh i fixed it... |
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| 08:49.55 | james41382 | somehow it seems that within dconf it was randomly disabled so i just reenabled it. |
| 08:49.59 | banjo | well_laid_lawn: yes changed it so now i can choose with F1 the window managers. im sure its a problem with the .xinitrc |
| 08:50.07 | james41382 | very strange though... |
| 08:50.21 | well_laid_lawn | james41382: do you have something like a script that runs and disables the touchpad when typing that might be confusing things ? |
| 08:50.39 | well_laid_lawn | banjo: you can paste the .xinitrc somewhere ? |
| 08:51.02 | banjo | links are posted :) |
| 08:51.10 | james41382 | well_laid_lawn: i had the disable while typing enabled under mouse settings under system settings, but it has not disable the touchpad before. at any rate i'm switching back to xchat. brb |
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| 08:51.38 | banjo | http://paste.debian.net/70821 and http://paste.debian.net/70823/ |
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| 08:52.06 | Arafangion | If I want _easy_ access to network file shares, including sftp, what should I use? |
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| 08:52.24 | banjo | first is the one where openbox starts too, second nothing starts and go back to slim |
| 08:52.27 | d3lxa | question, it's been a few days my file server always freezes under load, using XFS+luks+raid5+nfs, it hangs in xfs somehow, syslog of blocked task http://sprunge.us/cUKV any idea how to fix please? |
| 08:52.31 | well_laid_lawn | banjo: that .xinitrc doesn't mention dwm except in commented lines |
| 08:52.42 | james41382 | After several hours of searching through log files it was as simple as enabling the touchpad in dconf... heh. |
| 08:52.49 | james41382 | puts head down on desk |
| 08:52.50 | well_laid_lawn | well done |
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| 08:53.20 | banjo | well_laid_lawn: right. i have version 1.6.2 with autodetection |
| 08:53.27 | Arafangion | I imagine I probably want to use a file browser that has some kind of good vfs. |
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| 08:53.29 | james41382 | thanks for all the help guys. in particular dardevelin and satrionics. =D |
| 08:53.41 | james41382 | goes to watch tv |
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| 08:53.49 | banjo | dwm starts but on top starts openbox so i have first exit openbox to see and use dwm |
| 08:54.25 | d3lxa | maybe should I migrate from xfs to ext4 for example, maybe ext4 is less expensive? |
| 08:54.38 | well_laid_lawn | banjo: so edit the slim conf or the .xinitrc not to run openbox |
| 08:54.43 | banjo | sorry 1.3.6 |
| 08:54.43 | satrionics | np:) |
| 08:54.46 | satrionics | glad u got it sorte |
| 08:54.54 | satrionics | d |
| 08:55.24 | banjo | well_laid_lawn: thats the problem i dont know how. i just can have both or nothing:) |
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| 08:56.47 | well_laid_lawn | banjo: I've never used slim but afaik it can read .xinitrc or not. you can change .xinitrc to not default to openbox |
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| 08:57.56 | banjo | well_laid_lawn: like in http://paste.debian.net/70823/ but then nothing starts |
| 08:58.42 | well_laid_lawn | comment line 25 and what happens ? |
| 09:00.18 | banjo | if line 25 is commented i cant choose with F1 between the different window managers |
| 09:00.26 | well_laid_lawn | ok |
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| 09:02.13 | well_laid_lawn | banjo: can ou paste the slim.conf ? |
| 09:02.22 | well_laid_lawn | s/ou/you/ |
| 09:02.33 | banjo | line 25 is for autodetection in /usr/share/xsessions/ |
| 09:03.06 | well_laid_lawn | if there is no $1 then nothing will happen was my reasoning |
| 09:03.19 | well_laid_lawn | since it matched what you said happens |
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| 09:05.18 | banjo | http://paste.debian.net/70826/ |
| 09:05.21 | well_laid_lawn | k |
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| 09:06.27 | well_laid_lawn | banjo: line 36 says you need to set the session you want in .xinitrc |
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| 09:07.38 | well_laid_lawn | I'm guessing that will be run after what you select with F1 going by what you said happens |
| 09:07.40 | banjo | hm right. this config is from an older version and i just chaned line 54 for autodetection |
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| 09:08.32 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 09:09.42 | lancelot_of | after 14 days of uptime and several hibernation/resume cycles, my system shutted down and rebooted without any command, with no advice, kernel 3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
| 09:09.50 | lancelot_of | what's going on? |
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| 09:12.05 | banjo | how i understand it in line 36 '%session' takes line 25 in .xinitrc 'exec $1' and exec 1 goes to /usr/share/sessions |
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| 09:12.44 | well_laid_lawn | doesn't seem to be the case |
| 09:12.54 | well_laid_lawn | from you said happens |
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| 09:13.49 | well_laid_lawn | what^ |
| 09:14.10 | banjo | i see the problem in line 12-17 in .xinitrc cause if its commented nothing happens. if uncommented it takes i3 when i choose i3, but if i choose dwm it takes dwm and openbox |
| 09:14.20 | banjo | if i take openbox it takes just openbox |
| 09:14.37 | well_laid_lawn | maybe twice ? |
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| 09:15.19 | banjo | hm i test it |
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| 09:20.37 | banjo | well_laid_lawn: u are right now if i choos i3 or dwm or openbox. openbox is allways starting first if i choose openbox it starts twice |
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| 09:21.17 | well_laid_lawn | what happens if you comment line 36 in slim.conf / |
| 09:21.36 | well_laid_lawn | ? |
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| 09:24.24 | banjo | nothing changes |
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| 09:25.38 | well_laid_lawn | banjo: you'll have to ask again in a bit when there might be someone around that knows slim. my suggetion from here is to not use slim |
| 09:25.51 | well_laid_lawn | seems borked |
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| 09:27.36 | banjo | well_laid_lawn: hehe ok thanks anyway |
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| 09:29.43 | just_check | hello to all debian users |
| 09:30.00 | banjo | hi:) |
| 09:30.31 | just_check | hi banjo, are you using debian wheezy |
| 09:30.54 | banjo | yes |
| 09:31.31 | just_check | am using wheezy with mate desktop |
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| 09:32.41 | banjo | how it runs with mate? |
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| 09:33.54 | just_check | it runs good |
| 09:34.33 | lancelot_of | no answers for me? |
| 09:35.17 | just_check | i liked it much because gnome needed graphics card, so i switched to xfce and than tried to install mate desktop and it was it |
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| 09:36.34 | just_check | mate desktop with wheezy is booted with just around 100 mb of ram utilized |
| 09:36.56 | banjo | i tried mate with suse and that was not a good idea:) but with fedora its very stable |
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| 09:38.01 | banjo | what 100mb ram? have u the 32bit version? and i know mate/gnome2 just with min 300-400mb ram at start |
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| 09:38.14 | just_check | i will just stick to debian wheezy for i have used it since 3 years now |
| 09:38.23 | banjo | whst have u turned off for 100mb ram? |
| 09:38.47 | well_laid_lawn | lancelot_of: I was going to suggest it was a glitch in the matrix and wait 'till it happes again before worring about it and maybe check some logs in the meantime |
| 09:39.10 | well_laid_lawn | but that might not of been too constructive |
| 09:39.12 | just_check | i have 32 bit version and have not turned off anything and its just the default |
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| 09:39.19 | AB49K2 | Question: I'm trying to install ffmpeg but I can't seem to find the package - apt-get install ffmpeg just comes up with no package |
| 09:39.26 | AB49K2 | How do I go about installing it? |
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| 09:40.37 | banjo | ok wait u meean just mate needs 100mb? |
| 09:41.48 | just_check | ya around 100 mb and additional when you open application |
| 09:42.20 | well_laid_lawn | it must be starting lots of services, or you're on a 64bit system |
| 09:42.32 | banjo | AB49K2: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=ffmpeg u mean this? |
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| 09:43.16 | just_check | i have wheezy with cairo dock and conky and its 32 bit |
| 09:43.17 | AB49K2 | Yes, that one, I'll just install it from the .deb, apt-get couldn't find it |
| 09:43.27 | banjo | thy apt-get update and then search it again |
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| 09:46.26 | well_laid_lawn | cairo dock can be bloat afaik |
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| 09:47.29 | banjo | when just mate is 100mb then ok. first thought everything added:) |
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| 09:48.42 | well_laid_lawn | should make your own tiler, all the cool kids do |
| 09:48.51 | well_laid_lawn | way lighter |
| 09:49.07 | AB49K2 | I just installed libav-tools instead - It will do what I want, Thanks anyway banjo! :) |
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| 09:49.17 | just_check | so which os are you using banjo |
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| 09:50.20 | banjo | near all of them:) |
| 09:51.25 | just_check | when i thought to switch to linux I tried ubuntu, opensuse, freebsd but liked debian the most and this is only os now |
| 09:52.04 | banjo | i like debian too |
| 09:52.50 | just_check | and i also tried mint debian based but it wasnt that stable |
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| 09:53.25 | just_check | ubuntu and opensuse uses a lot of ram which i dont have |
| 09:54.05 | Arafangion | just_check: How much do you have? |
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| 09:55.28 | just_check | 1.8 ghz processor and 747 mb ofram |
| 09:55.37 | just_check | 32 bit |
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| 09:56.03 | Arafangion | just_check: That's plenty. Ubuntu and Suze live CD's might well struggle, but they'll certainly work. |
| 09:56.08 | Arafangion | Debian will definitely work. |
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| 09:57.14 | just_check | i dont want to check any more os. I have known that debian is just for my need and its free |
| 09:57.24 | pacop | Debian rocks. |
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| 09:57.35 | pacop | Both for servers and workstations |
| 09:57.56 | banjo | ubuntu i dont know how it works but with suse its right default lot of ram usage but it nearly all goes on kde |
| 09:58.26 | banjo | debian+kde and suse+kde is very similar |
| 09:58.32 | pacop | ubuntu is not recommended, they send data to amazon |
| 09:58.55 | just_check | with my system i can just use xfce or mate desktop |
| 09:58.59 | pacop | also I find Debian more trustable |
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| 09:59.43 | banjo | ubuntu is not recommended because they wanna infantilize u like apple:) |
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| 10:00.35 | banjo | just_check: lxde is an option for a envoirenment or use just a window manager |
| 10:02.38 | just_check | i now love mate desktop as it looks good with conky and cairo dock and my friends using ms window just gets jealous |
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| 10:04.34 | banjo | yeah mate is a very good choise if u want and envoirenment |
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| 10:13.21 | just_check | i may not know much but all tutorials are available for every thing |
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| 10:17.15 | just_check | search for it in wiki pages |
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| 10:32.23 | dardevelin | back |
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| 10:39.39 | illissius | Hi. Is there any way to tell apt-get or aptitude to prefer upgrading a package instead of removing it to resolve conflicts? |
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| 10:47.42 | bullone | Could some one help me please |
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| 10:49.14 | bullone | when I poweron, the X didn't open , and I got (none) login:, in which situation I cannot login with the correct authentication |
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| 10:50.18 | bullone | I have tried using the liveusb and chroot ,fsck shows clean in each partitions |
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| 10:51.08 | bullone | tried to apt-get update , and apt-get install --reinstall login |
| 10:51.29 | bullone | Unpacking replacement login ... |
| 10:51.30 | bullone | Setting up login (1:4.1.5.1-1) ... |
| 10:51.30 | bullone | Setting up man-db (2.6.2-1) ... |
| 10:51.30 | bullone | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 10:51.30 | bullone | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 10:52.21 | dronx | Check the xorg log |
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| 10:53.11 | whirli | I have a weird problem with cd/dvd drive. It wont read anything. Where might I even start to solve this? VLC cant play, sound juicer fails to read the tracks and the cd or dvd I put in wont show up in the file manager |
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| 10:59.25 | guest43242 | I added a menu entery in /etc/grub.d/40_custom, and did update-grub2, yet I don't see the new optin |
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| 11:01.23 | DeepBlue | how to make a usb live disk? |
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| 11:02.02 | oish | DeepBlue: unetbootin? |
| 11:02.17 | DeepBlue | no,dd |
| 11:02.33 | DeepBlue | i'm in debian |
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| 11:03.35 | oish | DeepBlue: dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/sdY bs=8M && sync |
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| 11:04.05 | DeepBlue | oish: ok ,thanx |
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| 11:07.45 | Dudytz | hi all, it's possible to use a kernel from testing in the stable distro? |
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| 11:11.14 | zrnd | !bdo kernel |
| 11:11.14 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 11:11.23 | zrnd | Dudytz: maybe that? ^ |
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| 11:14.56 | Dudytz | great! I try .. thanks! |
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| 11:16.18 | sml | hi |
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| 11:17.09 | guest43242 | I added a menu entery in /etc/grub.d/40_custom, and did update-grub2, yet I don't see the new optin |
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| 11:20.21 | art` | could someone help me please |
| 11:21.03 | dardevelin | rebooting, trying something on cpu self sched lock |
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| 11:40.17 | martin__ | hi, my nas which has debian installed isn't booting anymore. last startup the system reported that the filesystem was corrupt and it corrected some errors. so i thought the filesystem is now ok |
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| 11:41.06 | martin__ | After that I created a script in /etc/init.d/ which starts an openvpn connection. I added it by executing update.rc myscript defaults |
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| 11:41.23 | martin__ | then i restartet the nas and now its not booting. |
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| 11:42.12 | martin__ | i dont know if the openvpnscript is the fault why the nas isn't bootin or the filesystem is again corrupt |
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| 11:44.00 | martin__ | does anybody know if an openvpn script (added by update.rc scripname defaults) is able to abort the booting sequenze on debian? |
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| 11:53.14 | guest43242 | I added a menu entery in /etc/grub.d/40_custom, and did update-grub2, yet I don't see the new option, any one know how to do it? |
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| 11:54.39 | guest43242 | do I need to do also grub-install? |
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| 11:59.32 | Nik05 | no and update should work |
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| 12:01.33 | mjt | heh. stupid question. How to reboot or shutdown a laptop with gnome? I know I can switch to tty1 (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and hit Ctrl+Alt+Del there, but i'd expect there shold be some way to do the same from gnome menu... |
| 12:01.43 | guest43242 | it didn't |
| 12:01.59 | guest43242 | Nik05, ^ and grub-install worked |
| 12:02.31 | forcer | mjt: The "log off" thingy in the menu allows you to shut down, too. There's also a gnome shell extension that puts the "shut down" option right into the menu. |
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| 12:02.48 | guest43242 | can I do something that the FS won't be mounted twice? Sometimes the virtual machine mount my running fs |
| 12:03.06 | guest43242 | and then it get corrupted |
| 12:03.07 | mjt | logoff shows a dialog "Session will be terminated in 30 seconds, hit Ok or Cancel" |
| 12:03.24 | forcer | mjt: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/5/alternative-status-menu/ |
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| 12:04.22 | mjt | nice. |
| 12:04.25 | mjt | heh |
| 12:04.30 | Nik05 | gm ok strange |
| 12:04.38 | mjt | so, it isn't possible to turn off gnome without extra hacks? |
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| 12:05.12 | forcer | mjt: I don't quite remember how it was originally, I have been using this shell extension for a long time, but IIRC, once you're logged out, there's a "shut down" option. Dunno. |
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| 12:05.46 | mjt | ah. yes, i can logoff, and in the login screen there IS "shutdown" option indeed. |
| 12:05.48 | forcer | mjt: Also, I wouldn't call shell extensions a "hack". They're pretty awesome. But up to you, really. |
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| 12:06.05 | Nik05 | mjt stop de service |
| 12:06.14 | mjt | i just expect a system to be able to perform very basic service out of the box |
| 12:06.20 | mjt | de? |
| 12:06.27 | Nik05 | the* |
| 12:06.35 | mjt | which service? |
| 12:06.42 | Nik05 | gdm3? |
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| 12:06.52 | Nik05 | what do you want to do? |
| 12:07.01 | forcer | mjt: I found the Gnome 3 defaults to be a bit ... strange. But the shell extensions are awesome. Don't want to use anything else anymore. But if you dislike it, there are plenty of other options :-) |
| 12:07.04 | mjt | i want to be able to shut down a system |
| 12:07.11 | mjt | and reboot |
| 12:07.49 | Nik05 | click on reboot? |
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| 12:08.13 | mjt | where? |
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| 12:10.18 | mjt | heh. found it. So, when hitting the gnome system menu (what's thre proper name for it?) while holding the Alt key, it changes the last item (labelled "Sleep" here) into "Shutdown...", and the latter present reboot and shutdown options. |
| 12:10.43 | forcer | mjt: Heh. |
| 12:10.51 | forcer | Nice :-D |
| 12:11.01 | mjt | but this is.. well-hidden, really |
| 12:11.08 | mjt | http://www.computerandyou.net/2011/05/how-to-shutdown-the-computer-in-gnome-3-on-ubuntu-11-04/ |
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| 12:11.38 | Nik05 | well its gnome3... :P |
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| 12:11.57 | mjt | and one more question of the same theme. Where/how to configure actions done when power and lid buttons are hit? |
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| 12:13.33 | mjt | i want it to suspend when closing the laptop, and turn off when hitting power button. Now it suspends on power button too. |
| 12:14.31 | mjt | ow. "Advanced Settings" or "Gnome Tweak Tool" is required. |
| 12:15.07 | forcer | gnome-tweak-tool is likely already installed. It's quite useful, too. |
| 12:15.32 | mjt | it isn't installed. lemme try it |
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| 12:17.41 | mjt | heck. this is just... wrong |
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| 12:20.09 | mjt | http://www.corpit.ru/mjt/tmp/adv-settings.png -- that's the "advanced settings" dialog as shown on my system.... |
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| 12:20.37 | mjt | "Laptop lid close action..." what? :) |
| 12:20.55 | mjt | Arrangement of buttons on.. what? |
| 12:21.10 | mjt | this window isn't resizable |
| 12:21.50 | forcer | "On battery" and "when on AC" |
| 12:22.06 | mjt | yeah, i can search the 'net to decode things |
| 12:22.20 | forcer | That the window is too small on your screen seems like a bug, you might want to report that. |
| 12:22.32 | mjt | but again, why not name them all just "1", "2", "3" or "a", "b", "c" and refer to internet for decoding? :) |
| 12:22.52 | mjt | human kind is good for decipher things :) |
| 12:23.01 | mjt | yeah |
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| 12:23.16 | mjt | this is an accessibility feature |
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| 12:23.56 | mjt | i had to enable "larger font" in accessibility menu, now some windows, as shown in this example, become much more accessible :) |
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| 12:25.23 | mjt | heh. it is written in python. come on, that's trivial to tweak... Oh well. |
| 12:25.26 | mjt | files a bug |
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| 12:26.27 | mjt | #670587 |
| 12:26.46 | forcer | Thank you :-) |
| 12:27.51 | mjt | it has been submitted in Apr-2012 |
| 12:28.21 | mjt | http://koti.kapsi.fi/~juhtolv/tmp/bugreports/gnome-tweak-tool/01/gnome-tweak-tool_-bug.02.png is even nicer |
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| 12:36.48 | mjt | so far the only way to configure power button i found was to use gsettings command-line tool |
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| 12:38.00 | mjt | gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power button-power shutdown |
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| 12:39.45 | mjt | tho, can't i use single-"click" vs double-"click" on a power button to run different actions? |
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| 12:42.03 | bitgeek | I am trying to torrent and seed debian-7.2.0-i386-CD-3.iso but get this error in rtorrent "Tracker: [Failure reason "torrent not found"]" from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/i386/bt-dvd/, anyone else? |
| 12:42.54 | bitgeek | this also debian-update-7.2.0-i386-DVD-1.iso failed with same error |
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| 12:46.58 | Arafangion | Hmm. Why might my bluetooth device not exist? |
| 12:47.03 | Arafangion | (It most definitely exists) |
| 12:47.17 | forcer | Apparently, dpkg --purge postgresql-8.4 does a rm -rf ~postgres/8.4* |
| 12:47.26 | mjt | "most definitely" is an interesting expression :) |
| 12:47.31 | forcer | Pity if your 8.4 sql dump is ~postgresq/8.4-backup.sql |
| 12:47.40 | forcer | ... |
| 12:47.49 | Arafangion | mjt: It exists physically but debian disagrees. |
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| 12:48.33 | Arafangion | But: hcitool dev |
| 12:48.35 | Arafangion | Devices: |
| 12:48.43 | Arafangion | Which is fairly useless to me. :( |
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| 12:49.30 | wols_ | Arafangion: check your dmesg output |
| 12:50.50 | Arafangion | wols_: I don't see anything significant? |
| 12:50.59 | Arafangion | wols_: My system's been on for a while though. |
| 12:51.24 | Arafangion | Grep'ing it for "blue" also shows nothign. |
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| 12:52.22 | Arafangion | bluetooth daemon is definitely running, though. |
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| 12:52.52 | Arafangion | Maybe gnome-bluetooth is broken outside of gnome? (tries blueman) |
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| 12:53.46 | Arafangion | Blueman shwos more diagnostic output on the command line: It says things like 'No such adapter'. |
| 12:54.16 | Arafangion | Using kernel: Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:00.47 | Arafangion | Hmm, nope, I simply can't see any evidence of bluetooth from inside debian. I can point out the actual bluetooth device and bluetooth icon on the computer hardware, though. :( |
| 13:00.50 | Arafangion | Frustrating. |
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| 13:02.24 | Arafangion | /etc/init.d/bluetooth status reports that bluetooth is running, for all it's worth. |
| 13:02.29 | mamed | hello guys . i have a debian 7.0 cd . i am running the debian nstaller for the first time and have some questions . does this installer installs the debian along my windows |
| 13:03.23 | Arafangion | I found a bluetooth adapter! Seems to be on 'Bus 003 Device 005', as reported by lspci, but how do I use it!? |
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| 13:04.20 | Arafangion | mamed: That depends on how you do it, I'd imagine. have you checked the documentation? |
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| 13:04.51 | mamed | no but i went on clicking next and according to dialog box yes it will install debian along my existing os (win) |
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| 13:05.22 | mamed | doesnot it create a virtual harddisk file |
| 13:05.40 | Arafangion | mamed: A 'virtual harddisk file'!? |
| 13:05.52 | mamed | yeah like ubuntu wuni |
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| 13:06.08 | mamed | wubi* installs the files into a virtual harddisk file |
| 13:06.12 | Arafangion | I've no idea what ubuntu wubi does. |
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| 13:06.42 | just_check | hello debian |
| 13:06.44 | mamed | i cant resize my harddisk this is too bad |
| 13:06.55 | just_check | try gparted |
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| 13:07.33 | mamed | just_check, i have wthe worst os installed on my pc(you know win**) |
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| 13:08.19 | just_check | leave window and switch to debian |
| 13:08.38 | mamed | just_check, i will |
| 13:08.46 | just_check | or you got to use live cd with gparted |
| 13:08.50 | mamed | i was using debian / ubuntu |
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| 13:08.59 | mamed | returned to windows for games |
| 13:09.28 | just_check | wine can play games on linus |
| 13:09.40 | mamed | just_check, not all of them |
| 13:09.51 | Arafangion | just_check: I doubt he would enjoy that. |
| 13:09.54 | just_check | i tested some and it was goog |
| 13:10.01 | mjt | fwiw, wine on debian is 32bits only |
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| 13:10.18 | just_check | yes i have 32 bit os with debian installed |
| 13:10.23 | mamed | yeah but this wayland project gives some hope to me |
| 13:10.44 | Arafangion | mamed: Why? |
| 13:10.51 | just_check | do you use original window |
| 13:11.05 | mamed | just_check, of course |
| 13:11.38 | mamed | Arafangion, i think X is so slow and old(well it is the well known facts) |
| 13:11.50 | Arafangion | mamed: I disagree. |
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| 13:11.56 | mamed | why |
| 13:12.02 | Arafangion | mamed: Do you have statistics to argue your point? |
| 13:12.20 | mamed | not much |
| 13:12.41 | Arafangion | mamed: Exactly. |
| 13:12.46 | mamed | Arafangion, but the point is there is something changing in linux world |
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| 13:12.54 | mamed | X is 30 years old |
| 13:12.58 | mamed | so many libs |
| 13:13.00 | mamed | patches |
| 13:13.06 | mamed | sometimes it crashes |
| 13:13.08 | Arafangion | mamed: Old is not neccessarily bad, nor are patches. |
| 13:13.16 | mamed | i am not defending this wayland but there is a new thing |
| 13:13.20 | mamed | so i liked it |
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| 13:14.13 | mamed | i am not the one coding in wayland but i belived that it will use the modern specifications of these modern cards fully |
| 13:14.13 | Arafangion | is saddened that nobody uses X11 over the network anymore. |
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| 13:14.28 | Arafangion | mamed: Hahaha. Sorry, but so does X11. |
| 13:14.38 | mamed | yes but Arafangion |
| 13:14.42 | mamed | ust imagine |
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| 13:14.48 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:14.54 | mamed | there is an old thing and you are adding news things to it |
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| 13:15.07 | mamed | but there is a new thing and it is written with these new thngs |
| 13:15.20 | Arafangion | mamed: Which means that the new thing has to catch up. |
| 13:15.43 | mamed | no new thing has to have so many new features |
| 13:15.44 | Arafangion | mamed: But there's... How many man-centuries of work has been put into X so far? |
| 13:16.02 | mamed | 30 years afaik |
| 13:16.08 | Arafangion | mamed: Unless I'm mistaken, Wayland still hasn't figured out remote access yet. |
| 13:16.14 | mamed | yes |
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| 13:16.39 | just_check | i like os that is free |
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| 13:16.52 | mamed | i love that you can configure everything |
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| 13:17.11 | just_check | sure i did and it rocks |
| 13:17.13 | Arafangion | mamed: We have the framebuffer, and X, both of which solve a problem. Wayland is a solution looking for a problem. |
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| 13:17.39 | DeepBlue | i ran 'fdisk -l /dev/sdc' to get 'bash: fdisk: command not found' ,what went wrong? |
| 13:17.49 | mamed | well Arafangion |
| 13:17.54 | just_check | somebody from india |
| 13:18.03 | mamed | it is better to stop here i think |
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| 13:18.28 | mamed | there are some points you and I are right |
| 13:19.00 | chattr | DeepBlue: maybe fdisk is not in your $PATH |
| 13:20.00 | DeepBlue | chattr, ok,thanx |
| 13:20.21 | chattr | yw |
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| 13:20.44 | DeepBlue | chattr, i had to replace LMDE with Debia |
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| 13:20.52 | DeepBlue | chattr, i had to replace LMDE with Debian |
| 13:21.09 | Arafangion | Hmm, so I have bluetooth physically connected. USB device reporting bluetooth, but hciconfig does not seem to work, neither does any other bluetooth application. Very sad. :( |
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| 13:21.51 | chattr | DeepBlue: you need root's $PATH or do ' sudo /sbin fdisk -l /dev/sdc ' if you're in sudoers |
| 13:22.06 | chattr | ugh, ' sudo /sbin/fdisk ' |
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| 13:22.29 | DeepBlue | done now,thanx |
| 13:22.33 | wols_ | Arafangion: is it a usb or pci BT dongle/device? |
| 13:22.41 | Arafangion | wols_: Built-into the motherboard. |
| 13:22.53 | Arafangion | wols_: But it appears to be using a USB connection internally. |
| 13:23.06 | mjt | that's typical Arafangion |
| 13:23.15 | just_check | what about BT dongle |
| 13:23.16 | mjt | the usb connection, not that it doesn't work:) |
| 13:23.20 | JyZyXEL | how do i list all installed packages that have 3 letter names? |
| 13:23.20 | chattr | yw |
| 13:23.33 | Arafangion | mjt: Thanks for the clarification. :) |
| 13:24.00 | Arafangion | mjt: I actually don't know if the /device/ doesn't work, but I do know that *nothing* that expects to find a bluetooth device, can find it. :/ |
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| 13:24.20 | Arafangion | Even though it's right there on bus 003, device 005. :( |
| 13:24.23 | mjt | i yet to try bluetooth for the first time on this new notebook |
| 13:24.26 | themill | JyZyXEL: you can do it with aptitude or by processing the output from dpkg. You'll need to decide if you really mean "letter" though |
| 13:24.52 | JyZyXEL | themill: for example "vvim" |
| 13:24.55 | JyZyXEL | "vim" |
| 13:25.06 | JyZyXEL | or "ssh" |
| 13:25.12 | themill | yes |
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| 13:26.20 | mjt | dpkg -l | awk 'length($2)==3{print}' |
| 13:26.20 | dpkg | ii | awk 'length($2)==3{print}' 1.3-3 mjt's private gamp collection |
| 13:26.27 | mjt | heh |
| 13:26.37 | themill | mjt: except you've not tested for letters |
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| 13:26.57 | mjt | as in, non-digits? |
| 13:27.10 | just_check | how do i configure firewall in debian linux |
| 13:27.16 | themill | mjt: I asked for clarification and did not receive any... |
| 13:27.29 | CissWit | JyZyXEL: aptitude search '~i~n^...$' |
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| 13:27.53 | CissWit | should do the trick |
| 13:27.59 | JyZyXEL | darn regex, so hard to learn |
| 13:28.28 | slooth | Hello. I'm using Jessie. I've got Logitech G400s mouse. Two days ago, I could change DPI settings out of the box. I updated my system yesterday and now I can't change dpi anymore. What could possibly cause this? The mouse is brand new and working on other devices. |
| 13:28.29 | themill | well, you actually asked for aptitude search '~n^[[:alpha:]]{3}$~i' |
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| 13:29.39 | slooth | (the mouse offers 2 buttons to change DPI settings - they don't work anymore, but the way I understand it - they are not even software regulated, it's all physical - hence the question) |
| 13:30.33 | mjt | speaking of the mouse buttons.. What do you guys use on a laptop with a touchpad (without middle mouse button) to paste text selected in a terminal? |
| 13:31.06 | themill | mjt: if they support multitouch, a two fingered tap can work |
| 13:31.21 | CissWit | mjt: shift insert |
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| 13:31.37 | arafangion | Curious: restarting the dbus daemon kills X11. |
| 13:31.43 | mjt | (to complicate things more, this my laptop does not have Insert button either. And Shift+Ins doesn't work for text selected in a terminal anyway) |
| 13:31.55 | CissWit | it does for me |
| 13:32.12 | CissWit | and if i have no insert button i just map a useless one (useless as in i don't use it) to insert |
| 13:32.37 | mjt | heh. maybe this is something to think about as well. How to enable Shift+Ins for an xterm selection? I can only insert text selected in an xterm using mouse (middle button), Shift+Ins never worked. |
| 13:32.46 | slooth | mjt: depending on the touchpad, I use double tap to paste. Check synclient's option |
| 13:33.09 | CissWit | mjt: shift insert works for me in xterm |
| 13:33.10 | themill | CissWit: I assume you've got something that has unified the x selection and clipboard buffers then |
| 13:33.34 | mjt | CissWit: it works in xterm for text copied to a clipboard, not for text selected in the same (or other) xterm. |
| 13:33.35 | CissWit | maybe, |
| 13:33.42 | arafangion | Bah. Now that I've restarted dbus, I no-longer have bluetooth running. :( |
| 13:34.15 | mjt | as far as i remember, X has at least two clipboards, primary and secondary, and so two ways to paste stuff from them - Shift+Ins and middle-button |
| 13:34.41 | arafangion | mjt: Three. |
| 13:34.43 | mjt | arafangion: never restart dbus on a running system... :) |
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| 13:35.02 | arafangion | mjt: I had no idea that X11 was tied so closely to it these days. |
| 13:35.19 | mjt | X isn't. gnome (or other desktop stuff) is |
| 13:35.26 | arafangion | mjt: I run windowmaker. |
| 13:35.49 | mjt | policykit to determine what session is active for one |
| 13:36.05 | arafangion | So, rfcomm *refuses* to list any devices. Really getting frustrated. Is there no documentation!? |
| 13:36.13 | arafangion | Other than https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser, of course. |
| 13:36.23 | mjt | takes notes |
| 13:36.37 | mjt | makes* |
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| 13:37.40 | jennie | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.42 | arafangion | Ok, I think I'll give up. |
| 13:38.05 | arafangion | At least it works on my other Mac OS X laptop. |
| 13:38.07 | mjt | which error jennie ? |
| 13:38.16 | jennie | please look at paste |
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| 13:38.21 | themill | arafangion: you'll find it's fairly typical to have ssh-agent run gpg-agent run dbus which runs your x-session-manager. It's a way of making sure these things that need to set up sockets and then set environment variables pointing to them actually set the environment for the session |
| 13:38.23 | mjt | jennie: again? |
| 13:38.34 | mjt | jennie: looked again, have the same question... |
| 13:38.42 | mjt | no errors |
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| 13:38.46 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 13:39.40 | arafangion | themill: That sounds convoluted. Surely GDM or teh like doesn't run a script that imports the neccessary environment variables from those agents before running the user's preferred WM/DE? |
| 13:39.45 | jennie | jt the warning at line#17 |
| 13:39.56 | CissWit | mjt: you could just map a keyboard key to the middle mouse button |
| 13:39.57 | lancelot_of | it seems that my 3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64 kernel has CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_PERFORMANCE=y so getting all 4 cores to maximum frequency and my fan at maximum speed to overcome overheating |
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| 13:40.03 | mjt | jennie: that's not error it's a warning no? |
| 13:40.15 | lancelot_of | how to change this setting without download and recompile kernel sources? |
| 13:40.23 | jennie | okay , my bad, how to resolve it ? |
| 13:40.30 | mjt | jennie: i guess it is Canon Printer Daemon package (ccpd) which needs to be updated (or removed if not needed) |
| 13:40.39 | lancelot_of | i'd like to set cpu freq scaling ondemand |
| 13:40.44 | abrotman | lancelot_of: change the setting and recompile |
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| 13:41.00 | lancelot_of | abrotman, so am i forced to download the sources and recompile^ |
| 13:41.07 | jennie | jt then why it is giving that warning while installing vsftpd ? |
| 13:41.10 | mjt | forced by abrotman :) |
| 13:41.11 | abrotman | lancelot_of: you can check the docs to see if you can alter that runtime |
| 13:41.22 | mjt | jennie: what's jt? |
| 13:41.24 | themill | arafangion: potentially. kde can certainly do that for you but then building in features like that suddenly becomes "bloat" when you can just do it the other way. Or something. |
| 13:41.53 | lancelot_of | abrotman, editing /boot/config-* ?dangerous? |
| 13:41.56 | mjt | CissWit: there aren't many buttons on this keyboard already :) |
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| 13:42.09 | mjt | lancelot_of: /boot/config-* aren't used for anything |
| 13:42.27 | abrotman | lancelot_of: won't do anything .. i meant more like /proc/ or something |
| 13:42.33 | CissWit | mjt: map a combination of button ? |
| 13:42.38 | arafangion | themill: It does, therefore, pay to keep an eye on /etc/profile or similar. |
| 13:42.45 | abrotman | lancelot_of: /boot/config* is for reference, , just a copy of the config |
| 13:43.03 | arafangion | (No, not /etc/profile, but similiar, such as xinitrc or something) |
| 13:43.25 | mjt | but really, guys, this channel isn't google... ;) http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+ondemand |
| 13:43.30 | themill | lancelot_of: that config option doesn't force that behaviour |
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| 13:44.20 | lancelot_of | so is there any workaround? i'd really be annoyed by kernel compilation....again..... |
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| 13:45.10 | themill | lancelot_of: if you want a different scheduler then just tell the kernel that at runtime. |
| 13:45.12 | mjt | btw, for ivi bridge and up, ondemand governor isn't used anymore |
| 13:45.20 | mjt | ivy* |
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| 13:45.39 | mjt | they use another, more efficient, power management control |
| 13:45.47 | mjt | (with a modern kernel ofcourse) |
| 13:45.53 | lancelot_of | mjt which one? |
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| 13:47.02 | mjt | they use pstate mechanism |
| 13:47.14 | mjt | since 3.10 kernel iirc, or maybe a bit before 3.10 |
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| 13:49.13 | lancelot_of | mmhhhh in /boot/config-* i see freq governor performance set on. But cat /sys/bus/cpu/devices/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor it answers powersave |
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| 13:54.33 | blkdg | hello, i installed debian 7.2 amd, and then i installed catalyst 13.4 using these notes: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 and now X will not start. how do i trouble shoot this? |
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| 13:57.25 | B3RN0UT | hi, i've a problem with the connection... i would like to connect via wlan, this works quiet well but i can't connect with putty or tightvnc viewer even though i've setted the same static ip adress like for eth |
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| 14:02.40 | B3RN0UT | has anyone an idea what's wrong here? |
| 14:03.13 | B3RN0UT | ifconfig has the same (ip-)output for eth0 & wlan1 |
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| 14:03.51 | abrotman | connect to what, from what? |
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| 14:05.02 | B3RN0UT | currently a netwrok cable and a wifi-dongle is plugged in |
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| 14:05.32 | B3RN0UT | if i unplug the network cable my ssh and my vnc connection will be terminated and a ping to the adress is impossible |
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| 14:05.56 | B3RN0UT | the network manager says i'm connected via wlan |
| 14:06.21 | abrotman | that didn't answer my question |
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| 14:06.58 | B3RN0UT | what would you like to hear? :D |
| 14:07.03 | abrotman | I already asked |
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| 14:07.24 | B3RN0UT | "connect to what, from what" how should i answer it? |
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| 14:08.47 | B3RN0UT | conenct to what = to the internet? from what = from the wifi-stick? |
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| 14:10.32 | mjt | synaptics touchpad TapButton1=1. Were disabled by default several years back. Can be re-enabled by modifying xorg.conf. But now it doesn't work with xorg.conf anymore -- it looks like gnome resets the settings to defaults. How to re-enable the damn taps on touchpad? |
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| 14:10.40 | pengunix | Where can I find a prstine /etc/hosts file for a normal Debian Wheezy installation? |
| 14:10.43 | pengunix | *pristine |
| 14:11.08 | mjt | pengunix: just put "127.0.0.1 localhost" into there |
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| 14:12.39 | mjt | pengunix: see /var/lib/dpkg/info/netbase.postinst for more but that's optional |
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| 14:13.35 | B3RN0UT | mjt: do u have any idea at my problem? |
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| 14:13.54 | mjt | B3RN0UT: i've enough of my own problems for now :) |
| 14:15.39 | pengunix | mtfk: on some /etc/host files on other systems there is 127.0.1.1 (with two 1 at the end), too. |
| 14:15.45 | pengunix | mjt: on some /etc/host files on other systems there is 127.0.1.1 (with two 1 at the end), too. |
| 14:15.57 | pengunix | mtfk: sorry, autocomplete |
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| 14:16.04 | B3RN0UT | mjt: anyway gl on your probs... |
| 14:16.10 | just_check | network manager problem with debian for wifi |
| 14:16.33 | pengunix | mjt: the point is that there can be 127.0.0.1 hostname and also 127.0.1.1 hostname and then both in combination, so what would be the right one? |
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| 14:17.21 | just_check | i believe both are same |
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| 14:17.40 | abrotman | pengunix: 127.0.0.1 is localhost |
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| 14:17.58 | abrotman | as is ::1 |
| 14:18.12 | pengunix | abrotman: and why are there 127.0.1.1 ? |
| 14:18.17 | pengunix | and ::1 is for ipv6, right? |
| 14:18.18 | just_check | then what is 127.0.1.1 |
| 14:18.29 | abrotman | pengunix: 127.0.1.1 is your hostname generally |
| 14:18.50 | abrotman | and yes, ::1 is IPv6 if you're blessed enough to have such a thing |
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| 14:19.10 | Dagger2 | if you don't have a ::1, you've screwed something up |
| 14:19.10 | mjt | whole 127/8 is "localhost" |
| 14:19.20 | abrotman | Dagger2: like your hosts file :) |
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| 14:19.26 | just_check | why do you to say blessed |
| 14:19.36 | abrotman | was waiting for Dagger2 to pop up |
| 14:19.47 | abrotman | just_check: it's not common |
| 14:20.00 | abrotman | "yet" |
| 14:20.10 | just_check | install apache php and check for it |
| 14:20.25 | abrotman | what? |
| 14:20.39 | abrotman | how does that make any sense? |
| 14:21.05 | just_check | why is IPv6 not common |
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| 14:21.22 | abrotman | ask your provider, you're using Ipv4 |
| 14:21.36 | just_check | i am using a dongle |
| 14:21.52 | mjt | heh |
| 14:22.06 | brguy | just_check: what is your country? |
| 14:22.11 | just_check | india |
| 14:22.25 | brguy | India and Brazil are not using IPv6 at all. |
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| 14:23.44 | pengunix | sorry, I had connection issues. |
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| 14:24.05 | abrotman | Dagger2: you may be saddened to know i've been asked to give a talk about IPv6 and how it relates to the work I do. |
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| 14:24.14 | pengunix | anyone wrote something to me in that window? :) |
| 14:24.17 | abrotman | no |
| 14:24.24 | just_check | when i start apache it says connected to 127.0.1.1 |
| 14:24.38 | abrotman | yeah, and? |
| 14:24.43 | mjt | apache connected? |
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| 14:26.25 | just_check | 127.0.1.1 is for localhost only |
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| 14:26.36 | pengunix | abrotman / mjt: ok, so 127.0.1.1 is for hostname and 127.0.0.1 is for localhost then? |
| 14:26.37 | abrotman | no ... |
| 14:26.41 | abrotman | just_check: no |
| 14:26.42 | pengunix | just_check: now I am really confused |
| 14:26.42 | abrotman | pengunix: yes |
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| 14:26.47 | abrotman | pengunix: ignore just_check |
| 14:27.00 | mjt | pengunix: just forget about 127.0.1. it is all the same thing |
| 14:27.26 | pengunix | mjt: so I got the line 127.0.0.1 localhost (which is already there) and add a line 127.0.1.1 hostname, right? |
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| 14:27.31 | mjt | pengunix: _whole_ 127.*.*.* belongs to this host, and things other than canonical 127.0.0.1 are used only rarely |
| 14:27.53 | mjt | you can add this hostname to 127.0.0.1 line, it doesn't matter |
| 14:27.57 | abrotman | pengunix: yes, that'll suffice. If it's a server, you'll want a third line with your static IP, your FQDN and your hostname |
| 14:28.01 | pengunix | mjt: can I also add it to both? |
| 14:28.04 | just_check | i got it and i will check it out |
| 14:28.07 | mjt | or you can add 127.0.1.1 line |
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| 14:28.17 | pengunix | abrotman: you mean something like?: 127.0.1.1 hostname.domain |
| 14:28.21 | mjt | or you can use 127.1.2.3 if you prefer, or anything |
| 14:28.24 | abrotman | no ... |
| 14:28.56 | pengunix | mjt: so the slickest thing would be 127.0.0.1 localhost hostname, right? |
| 14:29.09 | pengunix | mjt: any side effects? |
| 14:29.10 | m00n | bash4.2+dfsg-1? what does the dfsg-1 mean specifically |
| 14:29.11 | mjt | *sigh* |
| 14:29.20 | abrotman | pengunix: i've given you the same answer three times |
| 14:29.29 | mjt | pengunix: i'm ignoring you the same way as youre ignoring me. thanks. |
| 14:29.41 | mjt | ditto |
| 14:29.56 | pengunix | mjt / abrotman: :( |
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| 14:30.02 | abrotman | we feel the same way |
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| 14:31.41 | brguy | m00n: google "dfsg". |
| 14:31.54 | m00n | i did |
| 14:32.00 | abrotman | that's not really what he's asking |
| 14:32.08 | pengunix | abrotman / mjt: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_hostname_resolution |
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| 14:32.14 | m00n | came up with the debian patch results but not good description |
| 14:32.16 | abrotman | pengunix: so why are you asking us ? |
| 14:32.22 | pengunix | abrotman / mjt: just found it :) |
| 14:32.34 | abrotman | pengunix: because you didn't try to google this before coming here? |
| 14:33.09 | abrotman | m00n: If I had to guess (haven't read the changelog), they had to alter the upstream source in some way to create a DFSG-compliant package |
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| 14:33.40 | m00n | ok |
| 14:33.44 | m00n | that makes sense |
| 14:33.54 | m00n | I was rather confused how it... but yeah |
| 14:33.56 | m00n | thanks |
| 14:33.56 | pengunix | abrotman / mjt: no, but I used the wrong keywords |
| 14:34.00 | pengunix | abrotman / mjt: thank you |
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| 14:34.21 | brguy | m00n: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#What_does_dfsg_in_the_package_name_mean.3F |
| 14:34.22 | brguy | Actually your answer is there. |
| 14:34.39 | just_check | debian free source guidline |
| 14:35.04 | mjt | heh. all the references given in _the_hostname_resolution page fail to describe WHY this 127.0.1.1 is needed |
| 14:35.08 | abrotman | See, I guessed correctly ;) |
| 14:35.14 | mjt | "to work around SOME buggy software" isn't an example |
| 14:35.34 | brguy | People trying to guess what is on first google result :-) |
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| 14:36.07 | abrotman | I didn't google, I used all the crap in my head :) |
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| 14:37.00 | brguy | abrotman: I'm talking about m00n too, he said he googled it |
| 14:37.02 | brguy | :P |
| 14:37.49 | m00n | yeah, i googled the package name, shouldve googled dsfg itself |
| 14:38.01 | m00n | didnt sleep last night, clarity of thought is lacking |
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| 14:38.05 | abrotman | m00n: you'd have googled "dfsg debian package version" |
| 14:38.10 | abrotman | or something like that |
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| 14:39.33 | just_check | what is it |
| 14:40.06 | abrotman | blinks ... |
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| 14:45.02 | just_check | can gedit be configured to be transparent just like terminal |
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| 14:49.45 | superlinux-hp | how do you change in gnome 3 the user avatar if the login manager is gdm3? |
| 14:49.56 | superlinux-hp | i am on gnome classic |
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| 14:51.18 | just_check | am on wheezy mate desktop |
| 14:51.48 | abrotman | Not helpful ... |
| 14:51.56 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: is there a user manager in the Settings ? |
| 14:52.23 | abrotman | isn't on a gnome3 box ATM, can't check |
| 14:52.33 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, in the applications=> system tools menu you mean? |
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| 14:52.38 | superlinux-hp | yes there is |
| 14:52.49 | abrotman | does that help you ? |
| 14:53.23 | superlinux-hp | no |
| 14:53.35 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, doesn't help |
| 14:53.55 | abrotman | There's no method to change your picture there? |
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| 14:54.08 | superlinux-hp | no there isn't |
| 14:54.31 | abrotman | http://askubuntu.com/questions/61637/where-is-the-users-profile-picture-stored-in-gnome-3 |
| 14:54.41 | abrotman | see if that helps |
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| 14:55.13 | superlinux-hp | there was in the past in etch or lenny a gdm3 configuration editor |
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| 14:55.24 | superlinux-hp | i don't know where that now! |
| 14:55.36 | Arrowmaster | that was gdm, not gdm3 |
| 14:56.17 | abrotman | and it would probably be easier if you were using gnome3, not gnome3-classic |
| 14:56.42 | superlinux-hp | well i hated gnome3 , it' not practical to me |
| 14:56.50 | superlinux-hp | classic is better |
| 14:56.54 | Arrowmaster | the tools will be the same |
| 14:56.56 | abrotman | I'm just telling you that it may have been easier .. |
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| 14:57.21 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: I think in gnome3, you click on your picture in the system menu on the top right, classic owuldn't have this AFAIK |
| 14:57.38 | Arrowmaster | ah |
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| 15:07.35 | Gregor2 | hi |
| 15:07.39 | Gregor2 | woo |
| 15:07.44 | Gregor2 | it worked |
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| 15:10.45 | jennie | even after removing uninstalling the vsftpd why the files are still there ? how to remove all related files to vsftpd ? how to do clean uninstall ? http://paste.debian.net/70853/ |
| 15:11.07 | wols_ | !tell jennie about purge |
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| 15:14.33 | jennie | wols_, it is still there v |
| 15:14.34 | jennie | http://paste.debian.net/70854/ |
| 15:14.37 | Nik05 | jennie locate uses a cache, so if the cache isnt updated you will still find those files in the results, even if they arent there |
| 15:14.44 | Nik05 | jennie: do `updatedb` |
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| 15:14.52 | jennie | ok Nik05 that makes sense |
| 15:15.19 | Gregor2 | I wat to make irc serber to! :) |
| 15:15.55 | jennie | http://paste.debian.net/70855/ Nik05 please look , is it fine now ? |
| 15:16.02 | Gregor2 | Anyone knows a irc deamon? |
| 15:16.20 | jennie | Gregor2, /query deamon :P |
| 15:16.34 | Nik05 | yes jennie |
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| 15:17.58 | reavengrey | i know an IRC demon |
| 15:18.16 | arafangion | wonders if his bluez tools might be too old to support his bluetooth device. |
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| 15:18.50 | Gregor2 | whats the name of it? |
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| 15:19.06 | jennie | ok :-) |
| 15:19.19 | Gregor2 | and which one is freenode using? |
| 15:20.26 | jennie | Nik05, everytime if I want to uninstall completely then I should do apt-get --purge name / |
| 15:20.28 | jennie | ?* |
| 15:20.59 | Nik05 | purge removes configuration files |
| 15:21.08 | Nik05 | Gregor2: IRCd or something |
| 15:21.12 | zykotick9 | jennie: it's "apt-get purge foo" the --purge is if you use "apt-get remove --purge foo", option 1 is shorter |
| 15:21.39 | Gregor2 | whats purge foo? |
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| 15:22.16 | reavengrey | it means |
| 15:22.17 | zykotick9 | Gregor2: foo is a variable in *nix speech, so in this case - a package name you want to remove |
| 15:22.20 | reavengrey | purge foo |
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| 15:37.29 | z3l | Hello. |
| 15:37.41 | z3l | Can anyone send me some information, regarding: http://pastebin.com/0afcwCav |
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| 15:43.35 | z3l | Nevermind. I have logged as root, that is why I can not access it from my id. |
| 15:43.41 | z3l | Such a stupid question, sorry. |
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| 15:50.04 | z3l | Anyway. If anyone is interested, then to use sshfs as a normal user, one have to add the user to fuse group. |
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| 15:54.58 | jennie | Nik05, here ? |
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| 15:56.12 | jennie | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6572996/ why even after doing apt-get purge name some file are there , how to delete everything ? |
| 15:56.12 | Nik05 | nope |
| 15:56.22 | jennie | :-) |
| 15:56.51 | Nik05 | because they below to other packages, and 2 of them are cache of apt |
| 15:57.00 | pengunix | So for adding a hostname to ipv6, too, it would have to be appended right to ::1 in /etc/hosts? |
| 15:57.56 | mjt | once again, it does not matter. not for 127.0.0.1, nor for ::1 |
| 15:58.01 | Nik05 | belong*. To remove apt cache you can do apt-get clean (or autoclean to just delete packages that arent available anymore) |
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| 15:59.18 | mjt | Nik05: there's also dpkg -P for you |
| 15:59.41 | mjt | apt-get may not purge leftovers from removed (but not purged) packages |
| 16:00.16 | mjt | if there are some files left after all that, you'll have to clean that up manually |
| 16:00.23 | Nik05 | mjt apt can do purge too |
| 16:00.38 | mjt | i know |
| 16:00.42 | Nik05 | so? |
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| 16:00.54 | mjt | repeat? |
| 16:01.04 | mjt | sighs and goes elswhere. |
| 16:01.17 | jennie | lol |
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| 16:04.06 | arafangion | Damn it's frustrating not having a working bluetooth. |
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| 16:07.49 | Myrtti | arafangion: you can imagine my frustration when after an hour fighting to get bluetooth to work I realised to check if the brand new laptop even had bluetooth in it and it didn't |
| 16:08.39 | kenifanying | hi all, i have a strange problem that i can browser the internet via google chrome but not the iceweasel and aptitude will camplain couldn't resolve the host name, any suggestion? |
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| 16:09.01 | arafangion | Myrtti: I most definetely have bluetooth physically present. |
| 16:09.34 | pengunix | mjt: ok! |
| 16:09.36 | arafangion | Myrtti: It's on USB bus 003, device 004, ID 13d3:3304 IMC Networks |
| 16:09.41 | pengunix | mjt: so I just append the hostname to the ::1 line |
| 16:09.42 | pengunix | mjt: thanks |
| 16:09.43 | arafangion | Yet *nothing* sees it. |
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| 16:11.02 | mjt | arafangion: fwiw, i just tried BT on my laptop for the first time. It worked right out of the box, was able to exchange files with my phone... (Now I can't find the file I sent to the phone, but that's a different story... ;) |
| 16:11.19 | mjt | Bus 004 Device 003: ID 0a5c:21f4 Broadcom Corp. |
| 16:11.48 | mjt | btusb driver |
| 16:11.52 | arafangion | mjt: Yeah, I'm wondering if my kernel is too old. |
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| 16:12.49 | mjt | hciconfig shows hci0 |
| 16:13.10 | mjt | gnome shows bluetooth icon on the status bar |
| 16:13.49 | arafangion | mjt: I think the problem is that my particular bluetooth device isn't recognised by the kernel, despite it appearing in lsusb. |
| 16:14.06 | mjt | most likely |
| 16:14.23 | mjt | see /sys/bus/usb/devices/{yourdevice}/driver link |
| 16:14.34 | mjt | does it exist? |
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| 16:15.31 | arafangion | mjt: That looks like what lsusb uses. |
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| 16:15.37 | arafangion | mjt: So it would exist there. |
| 16:16.25 | arafangion | Some google results are implying that maybe the ath3k module supports it, but I don't have that module, and I suspect that information (being for kernel 2.6), is outdated. |
| 16:16.52 | mjt | so does that link exist? |
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| 16:17.53 | wols_ | arafangion: what USB ID is it? |
| 16:18.05 | arafangion | mjt: I'm not sure how to make sense of the directories there. I know that it's at bus 003, device 005, but I don't know if that means I'm interested in device 2-1.3:1.0 or whatever. |
| 16:18.06 | mjt | lsusb does not touch ../driver link |
| 16:18.14 | arafangion | wols_: Bus 003 Device 005: ID 13d3:3304 IMC Networks |
| 16:18.14 | val_erie | !paste |
| 16:18.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:18.34 | mjt | judd: help |
| 16:18.34 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 16:18.37 | mjt | sigh |
| 16:18.48 | mjt | judd: usbid 13d3:3304 |
| 16:18.57 | iKb | i tried to install debian 3 times but every time it give me an error when selecting and installing software |
| 16:19.01 | mjt | i forgot how to use judd |
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| 16:20.05 | arafangion | The only website that apparently has a fix... Which is for Ubuntu... (But I'm really clutching at straws...), is down. :( |
| 16:20.15 | arafangion | Which is http://www.phlerion.com/blog/exopc/exopc-ubuntu/ |
| 16:20.30 | mjt | did you install firmware? |
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| 16:20.58 | arafangion | mjt: I haven't installed firmware for the bluetooth device that I'm aware of. |
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| 16:21.20 | arafangion | mjt: I didn't even realise that firmware might be needed. |
| 16:21.40 | mjt | dmesg | grep firmware says something? |
| 16:22.07 | arafangion | mjt: I haven't rebooted in ages, but no. |
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| 16:22.34 | arafangion | I have an uptime of about 65 days now. |
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| 16:23.07 | arafangion | aptitude search firmware doesn't seem to say anything bluetooth specific. |
| 16:23.16 | mtn | iKb: normally if people want help they explain their problem and give the error messages. if more than 2 lines, please paste the errors tohttp://paste.debian.net |
| 16:23.18 | mjt | it shouldn't |
| 16:23.40 | mtn | iKb: http://paste.debian.net is the correct link |
| 16:23.58 | iKb | mtn, i am just instaling it |
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| 16:24.44 | mtn | iKb: sorry, I don't understand. you should still be able to give us the error. don't know how anyone can help otherwise |
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| 16:25.42 | mjt | arafangion: do you have ath3k module (loaded)? |
| 16:25.49 | arafangion | iKb: Generally you should say something like: "I am trying to do X. I am doing Y. I see Z, but I expect to see <explaination>" |
| 16:26.09 | iKb | after selecting the tasks on tasksel it starts to install files and than i get a red screen that give me that error |
| 16:26.24 | mtn | iKb: yes, but WHAT error?? |
| 16:26.51 | arafangion | mjt: That appears to be loaded in usbcore. |
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| 16:27.00 | mjt | "in" ? |
| 16:27.04 | mjt | how so? |
| 16:27.05 | wols_ | mjt: tht is for wlan, bot BT at all |
| 16:27.21 | arafangion | mjt: Sorry, that was my interpretation of 'lsmod | grep ath' |
| 16:27.23 | mjt | wols_: it has nothing to do with wlan... |
| 16:27.25 | wols_ | *not |
| 16:27.35 | iKb | mtn, http://www.swagpile.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Screenshot-QEMU.png |
| 16:27.38 | wols_ | mjt: it has everything to do with it. he has a atheros combined wlan and bt device |
| 16:27.53 | wols_ | ath3k is a 802.11n driver, NOT a BT one. |
| 16:27.56 | mjt | it is about bt device of wlan |
| 16:28.31 | mjt | of wlan/bt combo that is |
| 16:28.44 | mtn | iKb: ok, so now we know some more info. you are installing in a virutal machine, yes? what is the iso you are trying to install? |
| 16:28.58 | mjt | and it needs a firmware (ath3k-1.fw) for the bt part to operate |
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| 16:30.00 | arafangion | mjt: In that case, I have two questions: 1) Where should I be finding this documentation that even mentions this, and 2) Where do I get this particular firmware? |
| 16:30.00 | mjt | in particular, about this device: { USB_DEVICE(0x13d3, 0x3304) } |
| 16:30.23 | wols_ | arafangion: you get the firmware from the firmware-atheros package |
| 16:30.41 | wols_ | and e.g. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath3k#Firmware |
| 16:30.44 | mjt | i'm looking at the source of ath3k (which is in drivers/bluetooth/ath3k.c btw) |
| 16:31.05 | wols_ | arafangion: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=ath3k&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 16:31.16 | arafangion | wols_: The trouble is I wasn't aware that I needed ath3k, and the debian wiki page didn't even mention firmware at all, or kernel modules. |
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| 16:31.35 | iKb | mtn, no i am installing on a real machine (the image is just a sample taken from google with the same problem), i am installing debian-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 16:32.05 | arafangion | Ok, well I have the firmware installed now. I assume I need to reboot, (which will have to wait until tomorrow - as I badly need sleep) |
| 16:32.08 | mjt | so, install the firmware (firmware-atheros), and reload ath3k driver, let's see where it goes. |
| 16:32.16 | arafangion | Or just reload the driver? |
| 16:32.32 | wols_ | rmmod it and modprobe it again after the firmware is installed should be enough |
| 16:32.37 | mtn | iKb: how are you trying to install it? usb? how did you make the install media? |
| 16:32.58 | arafangion | SUCCESS! |
| 16:33.06 | mjt | heh |
| 16:33.09 | arafangion | bluetoothd finally recognised the damn thing. |
| 16:33.29 | wols_ | iKb: most likely you have not internet access inside your debian installation. ctrl+alt+f2 inside the installation and run "ping 8.8.8.8" |
| 16:33.38 | mjt | i just searched this usb id in kernel sources, that's all. |
| 16:34.00 | iKb | mtn, usb made with dd and i have run the cd-rom check and it say it is ok |
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| 16:34.27 | mjt | btw, for my bluetooth (which is in a broadcom wifi dual-purpose adaptor) to work i needed a firmware too (firmware-broadcom) |
| 16:34.29 | iKb | wols_, the download step is already passed |
| 16:34.31 | arafangion | mjt: I'll do that next time, although I am annoyed that this sort of stuff isn't documented for bluetooth, although that annoyance is probably mostly because I stayed up too late (for other reasons0 |
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| 16:34.51 | arafangion | mjt, wols_: Thanks heaps for your time and help. :) |
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| 16:35.12 | mjt | arafangion: there are just too many cards and different variations to document it all. But the kernel did the right thing for you already |
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| 16:35.47 | mjt | arafangion: i mean, i loaded the right driver, which tried to load firmware - maybe you can see it in /var/log/dmesg still (dmesg from bootup time) |
| 16:35.54 | arafangion | mjt: The problem was that when it didn't work, I had *no idea* what to do next. |
| 16:35.55 | mjt | s/i loaded/it loaded/ |
| 16:36.05 | arafangion | mjt: Heck, it didn't even suggest using lsusb -v. |
| 16:36.08 | mtn | iKb: got enough room in the install partition? |
| 16:36.16 | mjt | arafangion: why should it? |
| 16:36.34 | wols_ | iKb: then just ignore the tasksel step. you can run tasksel anytime from your installed debian later |
| 16:36.39 | mjt | arafangion: it found and recognized your device correctly... |
| 16:36.40 | mtn | iKb: I must say most of this info could have included in the original question ;) |
| 16:36.59 | mtn | iKb: could have been included, that is |
| 16:37.03 | arafangion | mjt: Only after I laoded firmware. |
| 16:37.11 | mjt | before |
| 16:37.21 | mjt | it loaded ath3k for you |
| 16:37.34 | mjt | which asked for the firmware, you just didn't know |
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| 16:38.15 | mjt | the firmware thing is quite annoying indeed, especially missing firmware |
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| 16:38.57 | arafangion | mjt: I didn't actually realise that it required vendor-specific kernel modules (although it should be obvious), but that page only says to 'display your usb device, for proof that it was installed correctly...'. No mention was made of linux, kernels, modules, drivers, or firmware. |
| 16:39.13 | arafangion | It doesn't even mention dmesg. |
| 16:39.25 | mjt | arafangion: http://www.osnews.com/story/27416 fwiw :) |
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| 16:39.33 | mjt | (speaking of firmware :) |
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| 16:41.03 | mjt | how to see wireless signal level and connection speed on linux? |
| 16:41.10 | arafangion | mjt: Heh. I've done firmware dev. (Not for linux though), that doesn't surprise me although one does hope that there is some separation there. |
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| 16:41.26 | amphi | mjt: wavemon ois handy |
| 16:41.36 | amphi | er, is handy |
| 16:41.54 | mjt | yes separation, but that thing have full access to hardware ofcourse... |
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| 16:43.08 | arafangion | mjt: Depends on hardware configuration, although the cynic in my says that they probably just went for the cheapest. |
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| 16:45.10 | arafangion | G'night! (And thanks for that, again, mjt) |
| 16:45.41 | mjt | yw ;) |
| 16:46.19 | mjt | amphi: thank you for the wavemon hint. good thing |
| 16:46.30 | amphi | yw |
| 16:48.59 | mjt | hm. it appears to just display stuff from /proc/net/dev |
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| 16:50.38 | mjt | iwconfig displays the required info |
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| 17:05.17 | pyrobisqit | I have a problem with running a custom script in rc.d at shutdown |
| 17:05.36 | mjt | rc.d? it is rcN.d |
| 17:05.40 | pyrobisqit | this specific script needs full network access and it's currently being run the last |
| 17:05.47 | pyrobisqit | I use rc.d update stuff for that |
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| 17:06.13 | pyrobisqit | update-rc.d (service) defaults |
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| 17:06.51 | mjt | pyrobisqit: see /etc/init.d/README for that. You probably need Require-Stop: $network |
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| 17:06.59 | pyrobisqit | so how do I specify that this script is ran in the first place, before anything else? |
| 17:07.02 | mjt | pyrobisqit: and /etc/insserv.conf for more $foo stuff |
| 17:07.13 | mjt | you don't |
| 17:07.22 | pyrobisqit | mjt: I have an openvpn tunnel, and I added $openvpn but it doesn't seem to take effect |
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| 17:07.35 | pyrobisqit | the system brings openvpn down before running the script |
| 17:07.41 | mjt | $openvpn is probably not defied |
| 17:07.44 | mjt | defined |
| 17:07.47 | mjt | but openvpn is |
| 17:07.55 | mjt | see /etc/init.d/openvpn - what it provides |
| 17:08.00 | mjt | and depend on that |
| 17:08.36 | pyrobisqit | # Provides: openvpn |
| 17:08.55 | pyrobisqit | so Require-Stop: openvpn should do the trick? |
| 17:09.00 | pyrobisqit | without dollar sign |
| 17:09.02 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 17:09.03 | mjt | i didn;t ask you to show what it provides, i said do use tha |
| 17:09.04 | mjt | t |
| 17:09.15 | pyrobisqit | I'll try that way |
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| 17:09.35 | mjt | and see where your script sorts in appropriate /etc/rc?.d/ |
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| 17:09.52 | pyrobisqit | that's the weird part |
| 17:09.54 | pyrobisqit | it's K01 |
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| 17:10.02 | mjt | so it goes first |
| 17:10.05 | pyrobisqit | /etc/rc6.d/K01 |
| 17:10.12 | pyrobisqit | apparently it does, but in fact it doesn't |
| 17:10.18 | mjt | heh |
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| 17:10.36 | mjt | so you found a bug where 1 ls larger than other larger numbers :) |
| 17:10.39 | mjt | s/ls/is/ |
| 17:10.49 | pyrobisqit | is that possible? |
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| 17:12.01 | pyrobisqit | BTW, what does exactly Require-stop do? |
| 17:12.10 | mjt | scripts in /etc/rc?.d/ are runing in order listed. |
| 17:12.16 | pyrobisqit | does it run the script BEFORE the specified services go down? |
| 17:12.23 | mjt | if yours run last but numbered first, you found a bug which i described |
| 17:12.26 | mjt | man insserv |
| 17:12.29 | pyrobisqit | k |
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| 17:12.53 | mjt | (scripts numbered the same are run in parallel) |
| 17:13.09 | pyrobisqit | yes but network is K09 or something |
| 17:13.21 | mjt | network != openvpn |
| 17:13.24 | pyrobisqit | I don't really care if openvpn goes down before the script, the IP will simply change |
| 17:13.35 | pyrobisqit | I'd prefer if it didn't, but I don't care much |
| 17:13.58 | mjt | so specify what you prefer. there's no magic |
| 17:14.01 | pyrobisqit | I'll try # Required-Stop: openvpn $network |
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| 17:14.55 | pyrobisqit | BTW, the # is required for init info? |
| 17:15.01 | pyrobisqit | or should I drop it? |
| 17:15.17 | wols_ | it obviously is, or it would be interpreted by bin/sh |
| 17:15.29 | mjt | insserv is a low level tool used by update-rc.d which enables an installed system init script (`boot script') by reading the _comment_ header of the... |
| 17:15.33 | pyrobisqit | aha |
| 17:16.01 | pyrobisqit | it would complaint about Required-start not being found, I understand |
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| 17:18.19 | Fractal618 | hello, I have a dual-boot system (win & linuxmint) i want to replace linuxmint with knoppix. Should i be worried about messing up the grub and bootloader? |
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| 17:19.19 | wols_ | Fractal618: you are in the wrong channel. try ##linux |
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| 17:19.41 | Fractal618 | oops! sorry, thanks :) |
| 17:19.43 | pyrobisqit | yep apparently it worked no problems |
| 17:20.09 | pyrobisqit | is it possible to cancel boot if certain conditions are met? can a service force a shut down on a booting system? |
| 17:20.18 | pyrobisqit | like if no network found, cancel boot |
| 17:21.33 | wols_ | no. only hardware failure can |
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| 17:21.45 | wols_ | but you need to define what "cancel boot" actually means |
| 17:22.01 | pyrobisqit | well, ideally my script would ping a server, say myhost.com |
| 17:22.21 | pyrobisqit | if myhost.com is not responding in a period of time, the script would revert booting, and force the system to shut down |
| 17:22.32 | pyrobisqit | even in the middle of booting process |
| 17:22.51 | pyrobisqit | (so change init to 0 or so) |
| 17:22.58 | wols_ | if (pingdoesn'twork()) { shutdownnow()} in pseudocode. every script can do this |
| 17:23.41 | wols_ | I wouldn't do such a thing, I think it's shortsighted but it's your PC I guess |
| 17:23.50 | pyrobisqit | wols_: Sorry, I only understand bash code, can't i simply issue "init 0" or "shutdown -h now"? |
| 17:24.04 | wols_ | yes you can. if you want to selfDOS |
| 17:24.29 | pyrobisqit | wols_: That's exactly my objective, issue an if statement |
| 17:24.59 | pyrobisqit | so the binary "init" is available for sh to call it at boot time? |
| 17:25.26 | wols_ | if init doesn't run how would you boot? |
| 17:25.39 | nkuttler | i don't think init is called by sh |
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| 17:25.52 | pyrobisqit | wols_: No no, I was wondering if init makes all /bin/ commands available before TTY is spawned |
| 17:25.59 | pyrobisqit | or /usr/local/bin, whatever |
| 17:26.02 | wols_ | it's called by the kernel. but it has to exist for you to be able to boot. if init can't be called you cannot boot |
| 17:26.10 | wols_ | pyrobisqit: /sbin and /bin |
| 17:26.18 | wols_ | that's the point of having them |
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| 17:26.31 | pyrobisqit | not /usr/local/bin then? when is /usr/local/bin available? |
| 17:26.37 | wols_ | note that the shutdown binary is in /sbin |
| 17:26.50 | wols_ | when /usr/local/bin has been mounted |
| 17:26.54 | pyrobisqit | aha |
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| 17:27.27 | pyrobisqit | very helpful! thanks! |
| 17:27.50 | jordanm | wols_: IIRC, modern fedora doesn't have anything in /bin and /sbin |
| 17:28.17 | jordanm | so it's not required to have those dirs if you shove the needed binaries in the initramfs |
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| 17:29.27 | wols_ | jordanm: when is /usr mounted? does systemd do everything on its own without any external programs? |
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| 17:29.35 | pyrobisqit | jordanm: I'm certainly aware that you can embed a mini ssh server in the initramfs to be able to unlock LUKS disks remotely |
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| 17:31.44 | jordanm | wols_: not really sure, didn't mess with it for long enough |
| 17:32.15 | jordanm | wols_: there was talk of the /usr merge happening in debian but that was about a 1 year ago and I don't know what came out of the discussion |
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| 17:36.35 | rryoumaa | looks like apt is available to upgrade from ftp.debian? is this a non-security thing? |
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| 17:37.48 | potus | wow huge debian channel here |
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| 17:40.57 | mjt | are there any downsides in stopping avahi-daemon? |
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| 17:41.26 | wols_ | no more bonjour/zeroconf. rarely needed. I think DLNA or so would |
| 17:41.44 | wols_ | so it very much depends on what software you use. |
| 17:42.09 | mjt | removing it removes some stuff from gnome |
| 17:42.20 | mjt | namely gnome-user-share |
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| 17:43.46 | mjt | removing it |
| 17:43.49 | wols_ | "Description: User level public file sharing via WebDAV or ObexFTP" do you need that? |
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| 17:52.29 | Pluggi | I've got a problem with openvpn. I installed the package, but when I try to execute openvpn, zsh says the command can't be found. Any idea ? |
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| 17:53.26 | xreal | judd |
| 17:53.58 | jordanm | Pluggi: you need to be root |
| 17:54.09 | Pluggi | Mmmh ok... |
| 17:54.13 | xreal | I want to run a local "judd", since the cli-version is outdated. Does anyone know a "how to" ? |
| 17:54.21 | Pluggi | But why, jordanm ?? |
| 17:54.50 | jordanm | Pluggi: because non-root users can't change networking configurations |
| 17:54.56 | Pluggi | ok |
| 17:55.00 | jordanm | atleast not without the help of something like network-manager |
| 17:55.26 | Pluggi | It would have been better to say "Need privileges" or something... |
| 17:55.46 | Pluggi | when trying to use it as a normal user |
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| 17:58.05 | mjt | s/I/It/ |
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| 17:59.36 | mjt | on a GigE network it fells like i run it on a 9600kbps modem |
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| 18:04.03 | msx | Hi, anyone knows how's going the ongoing debate for bringing sysmted to Debian? |
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| 18:13.23 | jennie | umm where is trash in debian wheezy ? |
| 18:13.32 | jennie | I wonder where are the deleted files goin ? |
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| 18:14.21 | jennie | ok found it just now , how to move it to launcher ? |
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| 18:28.02 | Ted | I have a 256gb SSD, and a 1TB hard-drive. How can I use 256gb SSD just for my Linux distro and the 1TB for my data files? |
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| 18:29.55 | digdilem | Ted, simply install debian on the ssd. then once all is setup and running, mount the 1tb somewhere handy |
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| 18:30.11 | Ted | I don't understand? |
| 18:30.17 | Ted | use /home/ for hard-drive? |
| 18:30.25 | digdilem | that depends what you mean by "data files" |
| 18:30.42 | digdilem | you can specify in debian's installer to use a separate partition for /home if that's what you mean |
| 18:31.07 | digdilem | or install all to ssd and afterwards, boot single-user and move /home to the tb |
| 18:31.32 | digdilem | but that'sa big ssd, should be enough for /home on most installs, I imagine |
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| 18:37.12 | blkdg | is it possible to install AMD Catalyst 13.11 Beta V9.4 in debian 7.2? |
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| 18:37.32 | mjt | !ati |
| 18:37.33 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:38.10 | blkdg | thank you |
| 18:38.47 | well_laid_lawn | ati doesn't keep up with xorg server releases so be careful |
| 18:39.12 | mjt | wheezy is not the bleeding edge so there's some hope |
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| 18:39.33 | teraflop | neither sid |
| 18:39.59 | mjt | the OP asked about debian 7.2 |
| 18:41.08 | blkdg | i have blindly followed the wiki, and then cchtml.com and nomater what, I get a black screen, and then i loose an hour reinstalling debian. |
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| 18:59.47 | jhutchins | blkdg: Maybe the hardware you have doesn't match the drivers you're trying to use. |
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| 19:32.54 | jelly-home | ,v fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 19:32.55 | judd | Package: fglrx-modules-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; jessie/non-free: 1:13.8~beta1-3; sid/non-free: 1:13.8~beta1-3; experimental/non-free: 1:13.11~betav9.4-1 |
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| 19:33.10 | jelly-home | not backporteded, eh |
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| 19:34.07 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport --fromrelease experimental fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 19:34.08 | judd | No package named '--fromrelease' was found in sid/i386. |
| 19:34.32 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport fglrx-modules-dkms --fromrelease experimental |
| 19:34.33 | judd | Backporting package fglrx-modules-dkms in experimental→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
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| 19:45.01 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 19:45.01 | dpkg | <purplepenguins> I can't get double buffering to work <Flashylight> just add some ketchup |
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| 19:49.35 | cripto | never mind |
| 19:49.37 | cripto | dont know you |
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| 20:00.24 | cyberdo | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ to usb memory stick for a hp microserver... boots to grub, I can navigate and press enter on an item, things load but keyboard/mouse does not work anymore |
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| 20:00.51 | cyberdo | is this a known issue? |
| 20:01.26 | wols_ | not really. how did you create the usb stick? |
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| 20:02.49 | xreal | Is there an easy way to download all the DSC files? |
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| 20:07.24 | jelly-home | cyberdo: are your keyboard and moust usb connected instead of ps/2? |
| 20:07.38 | jelly-home | moust? |
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| 20:09.09 | alusion | ~hey I want to backup my debian system to a laptop and boot it from there. I just want to keep all the packages |
| 20:09.10 | apt | You want to backup my debian system to a laptop and boot it from there. I just want to keep all the packages? |
| 20:09.40 | alusion | ~hey yeah |
| 20:09.40 | apt | http://churchturing.org/x/yeah.mp3 |
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| 20:10.20 | babilen | alusion: Please don't play with the bot. (or if you really have to do it in private) |
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| 20:10.50 | alusion | why is VNC like that? |
| 20:10.52 | alusion | oops |
| 20:10.56 | alusion | will synaptic do all that? |
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| 20:11.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell alusion -about aptitude clone |
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| 20:15.22 | mjt | who/what sets sticky bit on device nodes? |
| 20:15.42 | mjt | brw-rw---T 1 root disk 8, 0 Dec 2 19:27 /dev/sda |
| 20:15.49 | mjt | why the "T" ? |
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| 20:16.56 | mjt | udev sets them to correct 0660, not to 01660 |
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| 20:19.42 | mjt | oh. while udev rules don't use the sticky bit, udev itself does, internally. |
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| 20:20.45 | babilen | mjt: I guess the idea is that they won't be removed -- cf. http://sources.debian.net/src/udev/175-7.2/udev/udev-node.c?hl=427#L427 |
| 20:20.58 | mjt | yeah, found exactly that place :) |
| 20:21.07 | babilen | yay! :) |
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| 20:21.21 | babilen | pats codesearch.debian.net |
| 20:21.59 | mjt | so i don't understand why #196857 has been closed |
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| 20:22.45 | babilen | judd: bug #196857 |
| 20:22.46 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/196857 in mount (closed): «mount: warns about *default* swapfile permissions»; severity: normal; opened: 2003-06-10; last modified: 2013-12-02. |
| 20:23.54 | babilen | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=196857#47 is probably it (haven't read the entire bug yet, but there seems to be an inconsistency) |
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| 20:24.41 | mjt | current version in wheezy (2.20.1-5.3) still produces a warning, while the bug is said to be fixed in 2.19.1 |
| 20:24.48 | babilen | mjt: You might want to raise an issue in the bug if you believe that this has been done in error |
| 20:24.58 | mjt | yeah, doing it now :) |
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| 20:26.04 | babilen | mjt: Unfortunately the bug has been archived already |
| 20:26.12 | babilen | mjt: thanks though (brb) |
| 20:26.13 | mjt | sure |
| 20:26.26 | mjt | unarchived and reopened |
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| 20:30.36 | phogg | SteamOS comes out, turns out it's based on Debian... I feel like Christmas has come early. |
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| 20:39.00 | jelly-home | phogg: based directly off Debian? |
| 20:39.29 | phy1729 | jelly-home: 7.1 |
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| 20:43.20 | cyberdo | jelly-home: yes... there's no ps/2 on the motherboard (new stuff sucks ;o) |
| 20:43.57 | cyberdo | I was suspecting usb3, but internet says there's only usb2 |
| 20:44.25 | jelly-home | cyberdo: do you lose keyboard right at grub? If so, they enabling legacy or compatibility HID (human input devices) USB support in BIOS |
| 20:44.46 | jelly-home | s/they/then/ |
| 20:45.17 | cyberdo | after hrub |
| 20:45.24 | cyberdo | grub |
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| 20:45.32 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 20:45.37 | cyberdo | so somewhere during kernel loading |
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| 20:45.54 | jelly-home | cyberdo: does the situation persist after unplugging and plugging back the keyboard? |
| 20:46.15 | jelly-home | (does the kernel even see the second plug) |
| 20:46.21 | cyberdo | We're using the tv to see a movie now... I'm gonna investigate further afterwards.... se if RIP boots and so on |
| 20:46.36 | cyberdo | jelly-home: it does |
| 20:46.44 | cyberdo | I don't know... can't check ;o) |
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| 20:47.12 | jelly-home | ssh access ftw |
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| 20:47.30 | cyberdo | uhm.. I could do a init=/bin/bash... that should show the dmesg output on screen |
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| 20:47.44 | cyberdo | jelly-home: can I set that up without keyboard? |
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| 20:49.37 | cyberdo | jelly-home: found https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
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| 20:50.13 | jelly-home | cyberdo: just remove the "quiet" option from the linux line in grub |
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| 20:53.24 | cyberdo | jelly-home: will try |
| 20:53.55 | cyberdo | but I do get the curses-TUI |
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| 20:54.20 | cyberdo | ah.. it'll spam anyway... I think I remember that from other times |
| 20:54.22 | jelly-home | (I mean in the current installation) |
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| 20:56.10 | cyberdo | yeah |
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| 20:56.26 | cyberdo | I'll get back to you with a progress report post-movie |
| 20:56.33 | cyberdo | thanks for the input so far |
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| 20:58.59 | Otto___ | hi. I might be very dumb, but I simply can't find where to download jessie with KDE (HTTP/torrent). Can anyone give a link to it? |
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| 21:02.05 | Harm133 | Hey guys, I got the message "Dec 14 06:25:03 Server rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="5.8.11" x-pid="1933" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] rsyslogd was HUPed" |
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| 21:02.52 | Harm133 | in my /var/log/messages, any idea where it is from ? And also, where can I check online if there are updates for debian ? Not via the packages installed in the OS. |
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| 21:03.53 | Otto___ | jhutchins: isn't that a installation guide for wheezy? I'd like jessie KDE download (no guide) |
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| 21:04.29 | jhutchins | Harm133: THat is most likely logrotate restarting the syslog. |
| 21:04.37 | jelly-home | Harm133: daily rotation of rsyslog logs is done by logrotate sending the rsyslog service process a HUP signal. |
| 21:04.54 | jhutchins | Otto___: Oh, testing. There probably isn't one for an unreleased version. |
| 21:04.55 | jelly-home | (no restart takes place, just reopening of log files) |
| 21:05.07 | Otto___ | jhutchins: one what? Download link? |
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| 21:05.14 | jhutchins | Otto___: iso |
| 21:05.26 | Harm133 | Okay thx :)! Also, I got about 15 updates on my system, where can I read the changenotes of those online ? Or isn't there any source for that |
| 21:05.30 | Otto___ | jhutchins: how do people test it? |
| 21:05.38 | jhutchins | Harm133: jelly-home is more precise about what's happening. |
| 21:06.06 | jhutchins | Otto___: Usually by upgrading a stable install. |
| 21:06.18 | jhutchins | Otto___: Unless it's the installer you want to test. |
| 21:06.18 | jelly-home | Harm133: install apt-listchanges and you'll be able to read them before accepting the changes |
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| 21:06.42 | jelly-home | !apt-listchanges |
| 21:06.42 | dpkg | apt-listchanges is a tool that displays NEWS.Debian file contents (default) and/or the changelogs of Debian packages before upgrading them (dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges). It is recommended for users of stable to install the apt-listchanges package, to see what is happening to their systems as security fixes are applied; it should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listbugs>. |
| 21:06.58 | Otto___ | jhutchins: so I could get wheezy KDE and upgrade. Is that dist-upgrade? |
| 21:07.28 | Harm133 | :o Cool thx :D! |
| 21:07.34 | jhutchins | Otto___: Yes. |
| 21:07.42 | Otto___ | jhutchins: ok, thank you |
| 21:07.51 | jhutchins | Otto___: Or just use the test installer, and if it works add kde to the installation. |
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| 21:19.13 | xreal | What does version "1:4.4.1" mean? I mean, the doublepoint ? |
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| 21:20.26 | jelly-home | xreal: read /msg dpkg version epoch |
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| 21:22.09 | xomrk | hi , could you tell me if host 176.221.120.34 is ping? run nmap 176.221.120.34 and tell me services are up |
| 21:22.23 | xomrk | i testing my port forwarding |
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| 21:23.17 | xreal | jelly-home: thanks. I'm currently writing a script, which does equal things like "checkbackport" of judd, but without the need of UDD, a database and much traffic on the IRC. |
| 21:23.44 | jelly-home | xreal: my condolences |
| 21:24.05 | xreal | jelly-home: but it's hard to compare version numbers like 0.11.dfsg1-7 :) |
| 21:24.31 | jelly-home | xreal: that's why we use dpkg --compare-versions |
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| 21:25.37 | xomrk | \ |
| 21:25.55 | xreal | jelly-home: I'm currently building a database from the release list of stabile, sid and unstable. Then I'm reading the build-deps from DSCs and compair them. |
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| 21:26.30 | jelly-home | not even going to ask why |
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| 21:26.48 | xreal | jelly-home: because I often need to backport packages from unstable. |
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| 21:27.52 | xreal | jelly-home: it often takes ages for me to find all the dependencies and versions. |
| 21:28.11 | xreal | jelly-home: some are in stable, some are in sid, some are in unstable. |
| 21:28.16 | xreal | (testing?) |
| 21:28.52 | jelly-home | given sid == unstable, yes |
| 21:28.56 | jelly-home | probably. |
| 21:29.02 | xreal | and after hours of backporting I find out that ONE package isn't supported... |
| 21:29.15 | xreal | judd helps me on that, but I don't have IRC all the time. |
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| 21:29.37 | xreal | And since the CLI-interface of judd is broken... and it depends on a big database... |
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| 21:30.00 | jelly-home | did not know there was a CLI interface |
| 21:30.17 | xreal | jelly-home: can DPKG check build-dependencies from unstable/testing? |
| 21:30.23 | xreal | I mean, when running stable. |
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| 21:31.09 | jelly-home | xreal: dpkg does not check build-deps at all, I'm afraid |
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| 21:31.26 | mjt | . o O { Could not find GStreamer caps mapping for FFmpeg codec 'h264', and you are using an external libavcodec. This is most likely due to a packaging problem and/or libavcodec having been upgraded to a version that is not compatible with this version of gstreamer-ffmpeg. Make sure your gstreamer-ffmpeg and libavcodec packages come from the same source/repository. } |
| 21:31.27 | xreal | jelly-home: so my tool *could* actually be useful ? |
| 21:31.37 | mjt | ..when playing with totem. What does it mean? :) |
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| 21:32.45 | mjt | this is a wheezy system, no other/external repositories or software installed. What's missing? |
| 21:32.53 | mjt | vlc plays this file just fine |
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| 21:42.44 | phogg | jelly-home: it's unclear whether it's properly a superset (debian repos+valve repos) or a copy; they describe it as a fork and I have not yet booted it up. Either way it beats Ubuntu. |
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| 21:43.51 | amphi | ISTR reading that it has a patched RT kernel & an upgraded libc |
| 21:44.19 | phogg | amphi: yes, their FAQ briefly documents these and a few other changes |
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| 21:47.20 | michaelis | Hi. Does anybody have the problem with pidgin internet messenger showing up even though pidgin is completely purged? |
| 21:47.38 | buu | michaelis: did you kill the running process? |
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| 21:49.16 | kingsley | Is the output of compiling packages published online, especially with code offsets that can be compared to back traces? |
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| 21:50.10 | jelly-home | xreal: if it's useful for you... |
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| 21:50.43 | michaelis | buu, Why do you ask? |
| 21:51.04 | buu | Why do you ask why do I ask? |
| 21:51.07 | xreal | jelly-home: isn't this a normal backporter problem? |
| 21:51.16 | buu | Is this some kind of horribly recursive questioning process |
| 21:52.10 | michaelis | buu, If I purge a application, can it still reside in the system? |
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| 21:52.28 | jelly-home | xreal: well, backporting is not normal! |
| 21:52.30 | buu | It could possibly still be running yes? |
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| 21:54.32 | cyberdo | jelly-home: no reaction to anything... removing the memory stick I' |
| 21:55.02 | cyberdo | jelly-home: no reaction to anything... removing the memory stick I'm booting from shows that it disconnects, but no connection when I plug things in |
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| 21:55.17 | jelly-home | that's not good |
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| 21:55.55 | jelly-home | cyberdo: does the server have latest firmware updates? |
| 21:56.12 | cyberdo | jelly-home: uhm... fair enough... need to double check that |
| 21:56.14 | jelly-home | hp usually makes their server hw work with Debian |
| 21:56.39 | jelly-home | but I only deal with Proliants, not these "microservers" |
| 21:56.42 | michaelis | buu, Ok. Thank you. |
| 21:56.47 | sankey | in debian, where is the correct place to put the configuration file for my daemon? /etc/mydaemon.conf? |
| 21:57.27 | jelly-home | sankey: yeah. If there are multiple files, put them in /etc/mydaemon instead |
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| 21:58.00 | sankey | jelly-home: okay great. just making sure things haven't changed |
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| 22:06.02 | xreal | Sorry, Debian version is crazy. |
| 22:06.07 | xreal | 0~r11863-2 ... wtf ? |
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| 22:06.45 | dondelelcaro | xreal: that usually means that the upstream version is currently unreleased, and is using a subversion or similar repository |
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| 22:07.25 | xreal | dondelelcaro: 0:r11863-2 would be nicer... |
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| 22:16.26 | jelly-home | xreal: below zero tempe^H^H^H^H^Hversions, very cold |
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| 22:35.12 | xreal | nice... dpkg in cygwin in windows :) |
| 22:35.42 | dvs | blasphemy! |
| 22:36.56 | xreal | grrr |
| 22:36.57 | xreal | dpkg --compare-versions 2.6.0pre3-1 lt 2.6.0-1 |
| 22:36.57 | dpkg | xreal: wish i knew |
| 22:37.00 | xreal | no output. |
| 22:37.15 | xreal | dpkg --compare-versions 3 lt 4 |
| 22:37.16 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, xreal |
| 22:37.19 | xreal | dpkg --compare-versions 4 lt 3 |
| 22:37.20 | dpkg | xreal: I give up, what is it? |
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| 22:39.32 | xreal | dpkg --compare-versions 0.14.0 ge 0:0.14.0 |
| 22:39.33 | dpkg | no idea, xreal |
| 22:39.35 | xreal | bug! |
| 22:39.39 | xreal | it returns "0". |
| 22:39.58 | mjt | please stop buggering dpkg the bot |
| 22:40.06 | mjt | dpkg: peace |
| 22:40.06 | dpkg | mjt: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:40.09 | mjt | heh |
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| 22:40.54 | xreal | mjt: no, the *real* dpkg returns 0 |
| 22:41.26 | mjt | i understand, but this has nothing to do with dpkg the bot |
| 22:41.42 | mjt | still, no-epoch is less than any-epoch |
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| 22:42.06 | xreal | crazy |
| 22:42.21 | mjt | consider no-epoch to be negative epoch number. |
| 22:43.05 | xreal | can I force dpkg to output the result of the comparism without using $? |
| 22:43.48 | mjt | no, it returns the exit code |
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| 22:44.10 | mjt | use dpkg --compare-versions && echo yes || echo no |
| 22:44.23 | mjt | or dpkg --compare-versions ; echo $? |
| 22:45.22 | xreal | mjt: what about -1 ? |
| 22:45.34 | mjt | what about -1? |
| 22:45.40 | xreal | mjt: $? doesn't work in cygwin when not using bash, but I'll use this one: bash -c "dpkg --compare-versions 0.15.0 ge 0.13.0; echo $?" |
| 22:45.57 | mjt | win cmd.exe has %errorlevel |
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| 22:47.44 | cantoma | hey guys, I have been trying to write a 3.7GB img file to a 32GB micro SD card using dd. The command is dd if=olinuxino_xfce-r18.img of=/dev/sdc1. When writing ends (approximately after 30 min) I get the following message in dmesg ==> http://pastebin.com/DLa4KKv6. Also, I have realised that the filesystem gets corrupted, that is, when I try to mount /dev/sdc1 it displays the message "you must specify the filesystem type". Any |
| 22:47.44 | cantoma | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:49.48 | mjt | the blkid issue isn't very interesting |
| 22:50.17 | mjt | speaking of filesystem, can you mount your image to start with? |
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| 22:50.43 | cantoma | mjt, that is a good observation |
| 22:50.45 | DDAZZA | Hi, How can I do a search to find the first occurrence of 'foo' and 'bar' per line? |
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| 22:51.03 | mjt | egrep '^(foo|bar)' * |
| 22:51.09 | mjt | oh |
| 22:51.13 | mjt | _first_ ? ;) |
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| 22:51.58 | mjt | grep --color=always 'foo|bar' ;) |
| 22:52.13 | cantoma | mjt, hmmm, it seems to say the same. I have tried with mount -o loop olinuxino_xfce-r18.img test/ |
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| 22:52.42 | honestly | popen cat |
| 22:52.45 | honestly | whoops |
| 22:52.47 | mjt | cantoma: when copying stuff like this to a raw storage, do direct copy without buffer cache, something like, dd if=file bs=1M oflag=direct of=/dev/sdc1 |
| 22:53.04 | mjt | (ditto for reading of raw storage) |
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| 22:54.17 | cantoma | mjt, but is important to specify the buffer cache |
| 22:54.34 | cantoma | mjt, or shouldn't I simply let the SO decide |
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| 22:55.14 | mjt | the point was that it is important to tell it to _omit_ buffer cache |
| 22:55.42 | cantoma | mjt, so that is what oflag=direct is doing? |
| 22:56.27 | iger123 | I am running raspbmc but - since The problems is more general to debian - I hope I am getting support here too: my pi is never entering a runlevel after booting, Although it is running xbmc successfully. But still "runlevel" gives me unknown and all the services in runlevels like 2 or so do not start. What can i do? |
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| 22:56.36 | iger123 | when i do "init 2" it works perfect and the services start |
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| 22:57.11 | mjt | change initdefault in /etc/inittab |
| 22:57.45 | iger123 | id:2:initdefault: |
| 22:57.54 | iger123 | mjt: that's what it is set to |
| 22:57.58 | mjt | or if it is already there, see which initscript does not complete in previous level |
| 22:58.02 | jelly-home | iger123: sorry dude, you're not getting support here unless you're able to reproduce the issue on a debian system installed from the debian-installer. Custom images have... well, customizations |
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| 22:58.42 | iger123 | jelly-home: yeah, I know but maybe people are still able to help, that would be great :9 |
| 22:58.50 | mjt | and that's indeed customization, i'd say quite gross one - since they start xbmc on runlevel 1... |
| 22:59.16 | iger123 | jelly-home: yeah I was wondering about that too. what is a good way to find out if script in other runelevs fail? |
| 22:59.43 | iger123 | maybe I should remove xbmc from runlevel 1 and see if it works then |
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| 23:00.24 | cantoma | mjt, however, for the moment it seems that the main problem is the fact that I am unable to mount the img file. Which seems to be causing all this |
| 23:00.39 | mjt | sure |
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| 23:00.47 | cantoma | i am downloading another one now |
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| 23:01.20 | jelly-home | iger123: it would be interesting to figure out exactly how this image boots itself up |
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| 23:04.44 | themill | mjt: raspbmc uses upstart btw |
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| 23:05.27 | mjt | heh. even "better" reason to ask in #debian |
| 23:05.52 | themill | :) |
| 23:06.47 | iger123 | well, I asked in raspbmc and raspbian already but they do not know...or do not answer |
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| 23:07.53 | themill | iger123: it sounds like you need people who know about the particularly old and crufty version of upstart that raspbmc uses |
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| 23:08.49 | iger123 | themill: well, I am not sure, i really wonder why this is so hard to solve :/ |
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| 23:09.12 | themill | iger123: #upstart might be able to help |
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| 23:09.40 | iger123 | themill: ah, ok, thanks, I'll try there |
| 23:10.32 | xreal | yipeee! it works. |
| 23:10.45 | themill | iger123: it's not necessarily hard to solve, but it is definitely in the "#debian has no idea" basket. We don't know what derivatives do in their configurations or their packages and we have no experience of upstart either. |
| 23:10.47 | xreal | It tells me, which packages needs to be backported. |
| 23:10.56 | xreal | and where I'll get them from :) |
| 23:11.11 | iger123 | themill: yeah, ok |
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| 23:12.28 | aguitel | how to play .flac audio files? |
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| 23:13.09 | themill | dpkg: tell aguitel about cross-post |
| 23:13.11 | zykotick9 | aguitel: don't crosspost, it's rude |
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| 23:17.56 | addaitech | hrm i've got an older win7 desktop im looking to make into a debian box |
| 23:18.03 | addaitech | is there an easy way to do that |
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| 23:18.03 | augustl | hey folks. Trying to figure out how to view logs that aren't in /var/log anymore, thanks to rsyslog, but failing.. Any suggestions on where to start? |
| 23:18.14 | augustl | note: my actual problem is that ssh fails to start for some reason, and I want to see why by looking at logs :) |
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| 23:18.20 | addaitech | while keeping most of my video files? |
| 23:18.52 | Penix | addaitech: back them up first |
| 23:19.07 | addaitech | i have them backed up on another harddrive |
| 23:19.21 | Penix | problem solved |
| 23:19.30 | addaitech | k |
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| 23:20.31 | addaitech | just wanted to be sure, was on a torrent site that i wanted to keep at first but apparently they are dicks in the first place |
| 23:20.34 | addaitech | so screw em |
| 23:20.38 | addaitech | lol |
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| 23:23.02 | augustl | hmm, not much on Google on how to view logs with rsyslog |
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| 23:28.20 | Penix | augustl: because they're just normal log files. they're sent from one host to another and stored according to your configuration |
| 23:28.35 | Penix | well, the output is sent anyway. not 'files' |
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| 23:29.40 | themill | augustl: what do you mean by logs "aren't in /var/log anymore thanks to rsyslog"? |
| 23:30.37 | augustl | themill: not sure.. They aren't in /var/log, that's for sure. But I'm not sure if this is caused by rsyslog now being used by default. |
| 23:31.20 | themill | augustl: what do you mean by "They aren't in /var/log |
| 23:31.27 | themill | "? which specific log file isn't there? |
| 23:31.42 | Penix | augustl: there's no ssh-specific log, if that's what you mean |
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| 23:33.14 | augustl | themill: I expected to find /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog, etc |
| 23:34.06 | jelly-home | augustl: is rsyslog package installed and the rsyslogd process running? |
| 23:34.56 | augustl | jelly-home: ah, rsyslogd reports that it starts, but /etc/init.d/rsyslogd status says it's not running (and it's not in 'ps' either) |
| 23:35.07 | augustl | so since neither rsyslogd nor sshd is able to start, I guess something is fatally wrong? |
| 23:35.56 | jelly-home | it's a definite possibility |
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| 23:36.22 | augustl | and I can't check the logs to figure out what's wrong |
| 23:36.42 | jelly-home | are all the usual resources available, disk space, inode space, free memory? |
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| 23:37.31 | jelly-home | is there anything immediately suspicious in dmesg output? |
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| 23:37.52 | Penix | augustl: run either manually with debug options set if you have to |
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| 23:58.44 | xiong | How can I find the package that installs (Apache) mod_rewrite? |
