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| 13:28.05 | osfd | so I guess it's a wired network |
| 13:28.11 | zinx | yes |
| 13:28.26 | osfd | I'm asked for a mac address |
| 13:28.32 | osfd | ifconfig ? |
| 13:28.34 | zinx | huh? |
| 13:28.39 | zinx | by what? |
| 13:28.43 | osfd | failed |
| 13:28.52 | osfd | in the network manager |
| 13:28.57 | zinx | o_O |
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| 13:29.58 | osfd | ok, let me put it this way, I don't know what to do :( |
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| 13:30.36 | nickoe | How do I install Grub when I choose use entire disk and LVM? |
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| 13:31.21 | nickoe | Installing on the startuptrack fails. |
| 13:31.21 | ghost75 | how can i remove a gpt from disk? |
| 13:31.21 | zinx | osfd: me either, i have no idea why it would ask you for a MAC address |
| 13:31.30 | wood_quinn_ | Perhaps the /topic should be changed to reflect that there is no #debian-next. |
| 13:31.30 | zinx | osfd: it should know all the MACs involved :X |
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| 13:32.23 | zinx | osfd: you can just do 'ifconfig usb0 down 169.254.255.2 netmask 255.255.255.252 up' |
| 13:32.37 | zinx | osfd: then go to http://169.254.255.1/pcmi/ |
| 13:32.47 | nickoe | ompaul: do you know? |
| 13:33.05 | nickoe | can I install it in /target/boot |
| 13:33.10 | osfd | zinx: why this address (169.254...) |
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| 13:33.26 | zinx | osfd: because that's what the internets says the device is on :P |
| 13:33.39 | wood_quinn_ | That's a IPv4LL address. |
| 13:33.56 | wood_quinn_ | i.e. we couldn't get a DHCP lease. |
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| 13:34.14 | wood_quinn_ | (Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what the address looks like to me.) |
| 13:34.29 | zinx | wood_quinn_: in this case, it's the device using the network prefix for shenannigans |
| 13:34.59 | ompaul | nickoe: grub2 works https://wiki.debian.org/BootLoader |
| 13:35.25 | nickoe | ompaul: what grub is used in wheezy? |
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| 13:35.36 | wols | ,v grub-pc |
| 13:35.38 | judd | Package: grub-pc on i386 -- squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; jessie: 1.99-27+deb7u2; wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u2; sid: 2.00-22; experimental: 2.00+20131208-1 |
| 13:35.47 | zinx | ,v grub2-pc |
| 13:35.48 | judd | No package named 'grub2-pc' was found in i386. |
| 13:35.53 | zinx | >_< |
| 13:36.02 | blubberdiblub | grub-pc is grub2 |
| 13:36.21 | osfd | zinx: http://paste.debian.net/72189/ |
| 13:36.22 | zinx | i see |
| 13:36.25 | wood_quinn_ | Do folks that run testing (or experimental) use apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 13:36.31 | wood_quinn_ | Instead of upgrade? |
| 13:36.45 | nickoe | ompaul:seems to be grub2 |
| 13:36.56 | wood_quinn_ | I'm getting a few packages that're held back, and briefly reading on it seems to me I should be using dist-upgrade. |
| 13:37.16 | zinx | osfd: ah, your device uses a different mechanism to communicate, yay :( |
| 13:37.19 | Lirion | just compare upgrade, safe-upgrade, dist-upgrade and choose what's best for you |
| 13:37.22 | abrotman | wood_quinn_: yes, that's the idea (and you can't run "experiemental" |
| 13:37.29 | ompaul | wood_quinn_: yes, it is what you should do and for testing / sid (aka unstable) and is not experimental |
| 13:37.29 | wood_quinn_ | Thanks. |
| 13:37.31 | abrotman | Lirion: no, you use dist-upgrade |
| 13:37.48 | wood_quinn_ | unstable, I meant. |
| 13:37.50 | osfd | zinx: can't see where you see that |
| 13:38.36 | osfd | zinx: but I'll trust yo u |
| 13:39.36 | zinx | osfd: it's only presenting an HID interface |
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| 13:40.03 | wood_quinn_ | Is it recommended to --download-only, then drop into a lower runlevel before installing upgrades on testing/unstable? |
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| 13:40.11 | zinx | osfd: looks like you'll have to reverse engineer how to talk to it, if you want to talk to it - i don't see any current projects for that :/ |
| 13:40.22 | osfd | zinx: so ? |
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| 13:40.40 | osfd | zinx: SH*T |
| 13:40.56 | wood_quinn_ | USB wireless interface? |
| 13:41.19 | osfd | why is that ?? I mean tomtom products are all based on linux techs |
| 13:41.24 | sysrqalt | i love you debian |
| 13:41.24 | ghost75 | problem solved by dd |
| 13:41.36 | abrotman | wood_quinn_: eh, no? |
| 13:41.52 | abrotman | wood_quinn_: i mean, you can if you want to .. but it's not required |
| 13:41.54 | wood_quinn_ | abrotman: Cool. Just wasn't sure how much it mattered. |
| 13:42.15 | zinx | osfd: because hardware manufacturers suck :P |
| 13:42.16 | sysrqalt | do you ever get the feeling where your too drunk your took too many benzos and you think... i could really use a line of coke |
| 13:43.00 | osfd | zinx: am I f*ck*d ? |
| 13:43.04 | sysrqalt | apt-get line of cocke |
| 13:43.14 | osfd | zinx: I mean no way I can reverse the thing |
| 13:43.16 | zinx | osfd: right now, yes pretty much |
| 13:43.22 | wood_quinn_ | sysrqalt: You may get unexpected results with that command. |
| 13:43.27 | zinx | osfd: just hope someone manages to RE it |
| 13:43.32 | sysrqalt | lol ima try now :) |
| 13:43.34 | wood_quinn_ | Especially if apt-get has an autocorrect option. |
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| 13:43.52 | zinx | osfd: or as wols suggested, try virtualbox with usb passthrough and pray |
| 13:44.23 | osfd | zinx: still need a windows CD |
| 13:44.32 | zinx | osfd: yup. |
| 13:44.47 | wood_quinn_ | ReactOS may work. |
| 13:44.53 | wood_quinn_ | Pretty big may though. |
| 13:45.02 | osfd | zinx: :/ |
| 13:45.15 | osfd | wood_quinn_: talking to me ? |
| 13:45.48 | wood_quinn_ | Not really. |
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| 13:46.01 | wood_quinn_ | I was, but I don't think ReactOS would really help, now that I've said it. |
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| 13:47.00 | osfd | wood_quinn_: why that, it's said to do this kind of stuff |
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| 13:48.08 | wood_quinn_ | The nice thing is that ReactOS is easier to get than Windows X. |
| 13:48.18 | nickoe | ompaul: using lilo and answering yes to everything seems to boot, good enough for now. |
| 13:48.53 | osfd | Windows X |
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| 13:49.49 | osfd | http://www.windowsxlive.net/ |
| 13:49.57 | MrMonkey31 | nickoe: someone in #grub said it does not support using entire disk under LVM, and will not any time soon |
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| 13:50.28 | MrMonkey31 | (*I might be making up the last part, but sure on the first part) |
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| 13:51.24 | petn-randall | MrMonkey31: I've had a system installed with /boot on LVM, so I'm pretty sure it works. |
| 13:51.39 | petn-randall | grub2 that is, can't talk for grub legacy. |
| 13:52.27 | ghost75 | i read that if using silimage (fakeraid) controller, not keep the last sector free because it writes there a magic block on reboot. is this really so? |
| 13:52.38 | MrMonkey31 | petn-randall: well uh... *clams up* it's just that the question came up a month ago, and the fellow that answered seemed just as sure |
| 13:52.47 | ghost75 | -not+to |
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| 13:53.12 | abrotman | ghost75: that sounds pretty odd |
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| 13:53.50 | MrMonkey31 | I wonder, if I install grub2 on my graphics card, can I get it to finally behave? :X |
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| 13:53.54 | cypherman | hey guys, is it possible to run a chroot debian in android but using the x11 app for android, not vnc? there is an x11 server application |
| 13:54.06 | nae | with a luks/lvm encrypted root setup, is it possible to have more than one debian install? I can make another lv, debootstrap debian onto it, but how do I boot into it? I can't use the existing root's /boot the /boot for my new root otherwise the kernel and initrd will get stomped |
| 13:54.18 | ghost75 | after putting an old disk (i used before but unknown state) it was reported with a broken gpt (i never used any gpt) |
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| 13:54.41 | petn-randall | nae: Either you have two separate /boot partitions, or just use one single one. |
| 13:55.03 | petn-randall | nae: If they are two different distros, chances are pretty high that they don't clash. |
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| 13:56.06 | nae | petn-randall: I was hoping not rely on chances. The seperate /boot per distro sounds like a good option. I'll give that a go |
| 13:56.54 | ghost75 | is there any way to see if last sector was changed? |
| 13:57.12 | cesco | I swapped the parameters of tar...instead of writing tar -pczvf backup.tar.gz / I did tar -pczvf / backup.tar.gz , how screwed am I ? It has occupied quite a bit of space |
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| 13:57.43 | cypherman | anyone |
| 13:57.46 | cypherman | ? |
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| 13:58.01 | airstrike | hi |
| 13:58.07 | airstrike | i can't seem to mount my ipad |
| 13:58.18 | ghost75 | should be possible with dd no? |
| 13:58.55 | joj | ghost75: last sector of what and when? |
| 13:59.13 | MrMonkey31 | airstrike: have you tried buying it dinner (good morning) |
| 13:59.16 | ghost75 | of disk |
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| 14:00.40 | ghost75 | dd if=/dev/sdX of=/path bs=lastsector count=1 |
| 14:00.43 | petn-randall | cypherman: There should be an app for that. |
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| 14:01.28 | petn-randall | cypherman: Try "Lil' Debi" from the f-droid store. |
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| 14:01.31 | jdoles | Is there a replacement for Puppet and in particular its ecosystem which is 1) efficient 2) not stupid 3) used by more than 10 people? |
| 14:01.51 | petn-randall | jdoles: It's either puppet or chef that you have as an option. |
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| 14:02.21 | jdoles | petn-randall: does chef use OS threads to do deployments in parallel? |
| 14:02.23 | petn-randall | jdoles: But especially your 2) suggests that you have a specific problem that you can ask for here. |
| 14:02.28 | joj | ghost75: you mean: check if the contents of a specific sector on disk have changed? then you could make a binary diff with dd bs=512 count=1 skip=SECTOR |
| 14:02.38 | petn-randall | jdoles: No idea, I don't have it deployed. |
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| 14:02.47 | jdoles | petn-randall: do you use Puppet? |
| 14:02.58 | jdoles | petn-randall: don't you think it's very slow at what it does? |
| 14:03.00 | joj | ghost75: I mean with the data from two of these commands |
| 14:03.03 | abrotman | jdoles: have you tried asking #puppet? |
| 14:03.15 | abrotman | thinks puppet is pretty good at what it does |
| 14:03.17 | jdoles | abrotman: do you think they will ever suggest me something useful? |
| 14:03.30 | abrotman | jdoles: i don't know, you'll have to deliver your rant to them to find out |
| 14:03.36 | abrotman | I do know they're fairly helpful |
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| 14:03.57 | ghost75 | joj: bs=512 count=1 isnt the mbr? |
| 14:04.11 | abrotman | jdoles: that said, I write my own manifests, I don't leech off others |
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| 14:05.01 | joj | ghost75: bs := blocksize count := number of blocks skip := how many blocks to skip, and you want to choose a blocksize which corresponds to yout sector size |
| 14:05.10 | ghost75 | ah i was wrong |
| 14:05.14 | petn-randall | jdoles: My shop is small enough that I don't need to deploy it. If you have a specific problem, ask for it here or on #puppet, but ranting won't solve your problem. |
| 14:05.19 | ghost75 | just rtfm |
| 14:05.22 | abrotman | petn-randall: he is asking there |
| 14:06.25 | ghost75 | so blocks to skip is all sectors -1 i guess |
| 14:06.47 | abrotman | jdoles: Wikipedia has a page comparing various Configuration Management systems .. chef/puppet/cfengine/salt/ansible/etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_configuration_management_software Good luck |
| 14:07.10 | abrotman | jdoles: obviously, doesn't tell you if they suck or not .. but I'm sure you would evaluate all options |
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| 14:08.17 | jdoles | Is there also proprietary software doing this stuff (just out of interest)? |
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| 14:09.19 | airstrike | and back. i got disconnected |
| 14:09.27 | airstrike | i can't seem to mount my ipad. what should i do? |
| 14:09.32 | abrotman | jdoles: puppet has an enterprise version .. and yes, there are closed-source options. |
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| 14:10.19 | nkuttler | airstrike: what do you mean? apple doesn't let you mount idevices.. unless in hd mode |
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| 14:10.27 | airstrike | i've tried installing libimobiledevice-utils and ifuse |
| 14:10.33 | jdoles | AFAIK, the enterprise version of puppet is just the same, but has some management tools. |
| 14:10.35 | airstrike | nkuttler: by hd do you mean hard drive? |
| 14:10.47 | airstrike | i just want to transfer a file from my computer to my ipad |
| 14:10.52 | nkuttler | airstrike: you can boot them into some kind of harddisk mode, yeah. at least older models |
| 14:10.54 | abrotman | jdoles: perhaps, I don't use it, don't know |
| 14:10.59 | nickoe | What do I need to install for my filemanager to be able to mount a RAID disk? Created on another system. |
| 14:11.00 | nkuttler | airstrike: to watch them etc? not possible |
| 14:11.04 | airstrike | yeah |
| 14:11.07 | nkuttler | airstrike: maybe with something like gtkpod |
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| 14:11.11 | airstrike | it used to be possible in ubuntu... |
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| 14:11.23 | nkuttler | airstrike: how? |
| 14:11.50 | airstrike | just plug and play. ubuntu would auto mount it and then i could transfer a video file to the 'documents' folder in the ipad |
| 14:11.58 | airstrike | there's a documents folder for each app, or something like that |
| 14:12.11 | nkuttler | airstrike: interesting.. that's new then since i've looked into it |
| 14:12.22 | airstrike | so i'd transfer to the documents folder in the 'movie player' app |
| 14:12.40 | airstrike | i admit i was even surprised of how seamless everything was |
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| 14:12.59 | airstrike | granted i've upgraded to ios 7, and i'm not sure i tried that on ubuntu after upgrading |
| 14:13.04 | nkuttler | airstrike: fwiw, see the /usr/share/doc/*imobile* dirs |
| 14:13.42 | nassaba | nickoe: what do you mean with "another system"? |
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| 14:14.26 | nickoe | nassaba: was a RAID 1 from a NAS |
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| 14:14.55 | abrotman | was? |
| 14:14.58 | nickoe | nassaba: I just installed debian with xfce and the filemanager thunar or pcmanfm does not see the disk, but it did in my other archlinux system. |
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| 14:15.29 | nassaba | nickoe: you got mdadm? |
| 14:16.11 | nickoe | nassaba: no, I just installed that, then I saw it listed in the filemanager, but I could not mount it because an operation was pending, but I jsut rebooted. |
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| 14:17.29 | nickoe | nassaba: yep, mdadm was what I needed |
| 14:18.11 | nassaba | nickoe: you unplugged that drives from your NAS and puted in another machine? |
| 14:18.41 | airstrike | nkuttler: ok, thanks |
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| 14:20.24 | slept | Is there a page commenting on jessie release goals? I am trying to find out if there are larger transitions to be completed/started that are likely to break testing. |
| 14:20.41 | abrotman | relesae.debian.org |
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| 14:21.14 | nickoe | nassaba: yes |
| 14:21.38 | nickoe | nassaba: it works as expected after I installed mdadm |
| 14:23.04 | nassaba | nickoe: ok, if not, you got to reassemble the array, see man mdadm, or google for raid-howto |
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| 14:24.58 | nickoe | nassaba: it works fine, I just need to enter a password and then I can see the stuff on there, I just need to back some stuff up. The original system for the nas failed, so it was not bootable. |
| 14:26.01 | nae | petn-randall: grub doesn't seem to find the /boot for my new root lv, I'll hit up #grub and see if they can tell me why |
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| 14:27.20 | slept | abrotman: i have read that and https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/ but I can't tell which of these are the hard ones that might break things for me. But this might not be the whole story since changing a package version must not be a release goal (according to the email). Maybe I should rephrase the question. Is there something that is very likely to break testing till the freeze? |
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| 14:27.56 | abrotman | slept: we can't relaly know, we don't have your package list |
| 14:28.37 | abrotman | slept: http://release.debian.org/transitions/ |
| 14:28.37 | nassaba | slept: use stable and apt-pining |
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| 14:28.47 | nickoe | slept: systemd maybe? |
| 14:28.48 | abrotman | don't do that |
| 14:29.18 | abrotman | pinning stable with things rarely works |
| 14:29.27 | nassaba | abrotman: why? |
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| 14:29.58 | abrotman | nassaba: beacuse it doesn't, they diverge too much, things get pulled in, apt becomes unhappy |
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| 14:30.41 | cypherman | petn-randall, lil debi does not work in my galaxy tab 2, so i have to mount the chroot manually using scripts |
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| 14:31.22 | cypherman | i use vnc for viewing the desktop, but now that there is an X server app aybe someone had managed to get the debian in pure X server not vn |
| 14:31.29 | cypherman | not vnc |
| 14:35.45 | petn-randall | cypherman: The Xserver isn't ported to android yet, AFAIK, so what you're looking for isn't possible. |
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| 14:41.47 | slept | thanks. so Ihave to look at all the transitions and doublecheck if I have any of these installed |
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| 14:49.23 | sysrqalt | hi |
| 14:49.53 | sysrqalt | sorry wrong chat |
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| 15:04.55 | petn-randall | sysrqalt: Nobody will curse at you for saying hi. We don't eat that many babies here. ;) |
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| 15:11.43 | MrMonkey31 | hey I'm lost! which log file should contain like, messages that I see just before my gui desktop kicks in? :} |
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| 15:12.27 | Kingsy | guys, I have just installed the ATI Proprietary drivers, does it have a frontend GUI which allows you to tweak the settings? arrange multiple monitors etc? |
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| 15:12.49 | Akuw | hi, any application to comunicate with chinesse phones? |
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| 15:13.18 | nassaba | Kingsy: amdcccle |
| 15:13.28 | townai | cannot up machine to hibernate after i clear all files in /var/log. how to correct it? |
| 15:13.59 | Kingsy | nassaba: amdcccle does not exist in the repos |
| 15:14.08 | nassaba | :/ |
| 15:14.38 | townai | cannot put machine to hibernate |
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| 15:14.51 | nassaba | Kingsy: apt-cache search fglrx |
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| 15:15.20 | nassaba | Kingsy: it's in fglrx-control, i guess |
| 15:15.28 | townai | wheezy is released? what is 'testing' call now? |
| 15:15.45 | nassaba | jessie? |
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| 15:16.09 | townai | OK |
| 15:16.45 | nassaba | townai: you manually deleted /var/log/* ? |
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| 15:16.51 | townai | yes |
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| 15:17.13 | townai | because it has too many private info. security reason. |
| 15:17.14 | nassaba | o_O |
| 15:17.14 | nassaba | why? |
| 15:17.14 | ompaul | townai: have you rebooted since? |
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| 15:17.19 | ompaul | townai: have you rebooted since? |
| 15:17.22 | Kingsy | nassaba: ah yes very cool! |
| 15:17.51 | zophy | once my wheezy got flakey, it took forever for totem to start up and play an audio file, and the system wouldn't hibernate, after one or more reboots it is now ok |
| 15:17.55 | townai | several times. when i try to put machine to hibernate, window pop up telling me to unlock. |
| 15:17.59 | zophy | i hate it when that happens |
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| 15:18.55 | Kingsy | brb gonna restart this |
| 15:18.57 | Kingsy | exit |
| 15:19.10 | nassaba | townai: logrotate, and then del all the olds, or just set up logrotate to your needs |
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| 15:19.30 | petn-randall | MrMonkey31: /var/log/boot.log is the usual place. You have to have bootlogd installed for that, though. |
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| 15:19.57 | townai | logrotate a package to be installed first, or is it a shell command? |
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| 15:20.18 | MrMonkey31 | petn-randall: got it, thx |
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| 15:20.35 | wols | townai: it's a package but should be there by default. and it's also a command |
| 15:20.40 | petn-randall | townai: Installed for that? |
| 15:21.01 | petn-randall | townai: It's not wise to wipe /var/log/* "for security reasons", since there is little security gain by this. |
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| 15:21.51 | petn-randall | townai: You still need root access to the machine to read them, and even if you delete it they can be restored by reading data from the block device. |
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| 15:22.28 | petn-randall | townai: So the security gain is close to zero, but you've broke a few programs by this and lost your ability to debug problems. |
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| 15:23.45 | townai | please clarify "by reading data from the block device" |
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| 15:24.33 | nassaba | "hard undelete" the files, reading from inodes |
| 15:24.43 | ompaul | townai: a little clarification, but a search would help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_file |
| 15:24.53 | ompaul | also journals are fun |
| 15:24.59 | petn-randall | townai: If a file gets deleted, it's entry in the directory only gets removed and the space marked as free. You can still read the data from the block device (e.g. /dev/sda) if the data didn't get overwritten in the mean time. |
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| 15:26.10 | townai | once i reboot and start logging again, old data would be overwritten? |
| 15:26.24 | wols | townai: no. only when you save new files it gets overwritten |
| 15:27.15 | townai | when i shutdown, new files will overwrite old files, right? |
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| 15:28.36 | petn-randall | townai: No, why should it? |
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| 15:29.19 | townai | otherwise there will be many copies of old files, and the storage will keep increasing |
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| 15:29.32 | petn-randall | townai: *deleted* files only may get overwritten when you save new data on that filesystem. But you can't control if the deleted data gets overwritten or not. |
| 15:30.11 | townai | i am referring to those files in /var/log. |
| 15:30.58 | petn-randall | townai: My statement also applies to files in /var/log, they are no exception. |
| 15:31.26 | petn-randall | townai: But what security gain are you hoping to get from deleting those files? What is your threat model? |
| 15:31.37 | disparrot | can anyone help please with a technical issue? my friend was using synaptic package manager to install a bunch of packages. but they did it all over an insecure public network. then it threw a bunch of erros saying the packages (10 packages) could not be authenticated. could this be a man-in-the-middle attack? or something less scary? |
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| 15:32.25 | townai | i am concerned about the info on my communication, when do i link up to the internet, for instance/ |
| 15:32.26 | wols | disparrot: no. he just used random crappy repos. the biggest problem is probably that he now has very shitty quality packages installed which will cause all kinds of problems |
| 15:32.46 | wols | townai: how do deleted files change your internet communications? |
| 15:33.04 | wols | !tell disparrot about secure apt |
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| 15:33.18 | disparrot | wols: apparently it came from the official debian repo |
| 15:33.24 | townai | it won't. it tells other people. |
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| 15:34.03 | mtn | townai: if someone can read your logs, they can read everything else, too |
| 15:34.05 | wols | disparrot: I doubt that |
| 15:34.16 | wols | townai: who or what tells other people what? |
| 15:34.30 | townai | some authority may want me to show them the logfiles. |
| 15:35.10 | disparrot | wols: they apparently haven't added any unofficial repos |
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| 15:35.32 | disparrot | wols: as for secureapt, is that a different package from apt? |
| 15:36.02 | townai | isn't that something to be afraid of? someone of authority wants you to show your logfiles to him. |
| 15:36.11 | frostschutz | townai, if you don't want logfiles, disable logging, then you don't have to worry about how to get rid of them |
| 15:36.34 | townai | yeah, disable logging. how? |
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| 15:37.17 | abrotman | configure you rlogging daemon |
| 15:37.24 | kleanchap | How do I remove "This Connection is Untrusted" page for everytime I go to my work website. Even after authenticating, Firefox prompts me to "Add Exception..." |
| 15:37.30 | townai | more detail please. |
| 15:38.03 | petn-randall | townai: Government agencies will easily be able to recovery logfiles from you machine when they seize it. Only way to avoid that is to use encryption, like LUKS. |
| 15:38.47 | townai | disable logging, use encryption, will try them. thks |
| 15:39.13 | wols | disparrot: please read the factoid again |
| 15:39.38 | townai | got to go. bye. |
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| 15:42.03 | disparrot | wols: ok sorry. passed the exact message on to my friend |
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| 15:42.15 | disparrot | i'm actually a total linux noob |
| 15:43.16 | wols | tell your friend to come here instead. much better to help him this way |
| 15:43.35 | wols | he also should tell us what packages he installed, what his sources.list is, etc |
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| 15:44.29 | disparrot | wols: i've let 'em know they need to come here. thanks |
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| 15:46.38 | ronny | hi |
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| 15:46.59 | ronny | whats the correct way to run a recent version of wine on debian stable? |
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| 15:47.28 | ronny | i found some repos, but it seems those are outdated |
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| 15:49.08 | disparrot | wols: ok they can't come for some reason. but they just want to know if this is something that they should be worried about? like, how likely is thie due to a man-in-the-middle attack. they're debating between reinstalling the OS or not basically and just need to know whether or not that's completely unnecessary |
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| 15:50.24 | zophy | ronny, can you get the source from git and compile it yourself ? |
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| 15:51.27 | ronny | zophy: i suppose so, but i'd prefer to have it in a way where i dont have to maintain own compiled installs of things |
| 15:51.39 | zophy | i just use the stable wine debian packages, i don't know how old they are |
| 15:53.02 | zophy | ronny, there is this site --> http://www.winehq.org/site/download |
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| 15:55.10 | zophy | ronny, there is this site --> http://www.winehq.org/download/debian |
| 15:56.13 | wols | disparrot: can't tell unless the questions above are answered |
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| 15:57.36 | disparrot | wols: i've told them they need to come here. could be a few hours. thanks for your help so far! |
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| 16:05.15 | zophy | i ate some worms one time |
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| 16:12.23 | LinoSP | Hi... I'm installing debian-7.3.0-i386-lxde-CD-1.iso in an old laptop and the installer doen't recognize the cd-rom device |
| 16:12.43 | LinoSP | What should I do? |
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| 16:13.59 | anand | hi |
| 16:14.09 | LinoSP | it boots and displays the installer but fails detecting and mounting cd-rom |
| 16:14.56 | wols | LinoSP: you use unetbootin? |
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| 16:15.49 | LinoSP | no, I'm using a CD-RW (this laptop doen't boot from USB |
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| 16:22.07 | shellfu | Hey all. I cannot find the source code to redhat's bigmem package. Im curious if there is something similar in debian? Bigmem by design leaks memory and is useful for demonstrating how to detect memory leaks with valgrind. |
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| 16:25.56 | abrotman | shellfu: it's a kernel config option |
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| 16:27.30 | shellfu | not in this case. bigmem is a program that makes calls to malloc and doesnt release it. You use this to learn cgroups and to learn the use of valgrind or similar. |
| 16:27.46 | shellfu | emulates a long running process |
| 16:28.11 | shellfu | suppose I could make my own, but was just curious if something was already put together for debian. |
| 16:28.20 | abrotman | ah, so not the same as Debian's linux-image-686-bigmem |
| 16:28.25 | ar | bigmem? linux kernel images with support for PAE used to be named bigmem |
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| 16:28.46 | shellfu | yeah thats why there is a problem in finding the source :) |
| 16:28.47 | abrotman | ar: that's not what he's asking about |
| 16:29.06 | abrotman | shellfu: it doesn't have a copyright notice in the doc directory? |
| 16:29.34 | shellfu | I havent installed bigmem in about 6 months. I dont have access to the RHN crap anymore. |
| 16:29.55 | shellfu | well time to dust off the ole c compiler I suppose lol shit |
| 16:30.00 | abrotman | shellfu: centos doesn't have it? |
| 16:30.23 | abrotman | or fedora |
| 16:30.26 | shellfu | not in 5-6 which makes me think its a redhat proprietary bs |
| 16:30.35 | abrotman | shellfu: perhaps ask #rhel ? |
| 16:30.53 | shellfu | only reason I remember it was from my performance tuning exam and I felt like playing wiht it again |
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| 16:31.02 | shellfu | yeah perhaps I will ask there. |
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| 16:33.08 | ronny | zophy: which is outdated |
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| 16:33.58 | bbtech | I want to the amd catalyst 13 driver but currently have fglrx installed. Do I first need to purge fglrx? |
| 16:34.14 | bbtech | *I want to install the amd.. |
| 16:34.27 | jimcooncat | I'm running oldstable right now, can I install testing to another partition while I'm logged into the oldstable? Like a live cd install? |
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| 16:35.14 | abrotman | jimcooncat: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 16:35.28 | abrotman | bbtech: we do not recommend or support using the drivers directly from amd.com |
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| 16:37.15 | bbtech | abrotman, I believe that is the only way to get the APP SDK installed. I believe it requires catalyst version 13 which isn't in a repo. |
| 16:37.26 | jimcooncat | thanks abrotman |
| 16:37.57 | abrotman | bbtech: that's great, I'm just telling you that we don't support it or recommend it |
| 16:38.43 | bbtech | abrotman, yeah, I was hoping you would have an alternative solution. |
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| 16:43.25 | bbtech | Is there a "AMD APP SDK" that can be used with the fglrx driver? |
| 16:43.40 | zophy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:44.05 | shellfu | Well thats uncalled for |
| 16:45.02 | shellfu | ][xxxx][:::::::::::cuts::text::wall::::::::::::::> |
| 16:45.24 | abrotman | bbtech: I don't know wha tthat SDK is |
| 16:46.39 | bbtech | abrotman, looks like it is amd-libopencl1 |
| 16:46.41 | bbtech | https://wiki.debian.org/ATIStream |
| 16:47.10 | abrotman | bbtech: so you're all good ? |
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| 16:47.27 | bbtech | abrotman, yeah, thanks for slowing me down on installing from amd.com |
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| 16:47.54 | bbtech | abrotman, it got me asking the right question |
| 16:47.57 | niteye | when installing an irc server, how am i supposed to know which one is best? so many different ones in the debian repository |
| 16:48.34 | jimcooncat | Hm, I guess deboostrap might not have been what I was looking for -- it's currently doing a silent install into a directory. I was hoping more for the installer package the live cd runs. |
| 16:50.03 | uiopoiu | I installed debian 7.3 i386 on a pentium m laptop with ati 9600 (r300 i think) and just after boot I see error no firmware, disable gpu acceleration, the audio is muted too and it won't unmute, and the "mouse" tap (left click) doesn't work, |
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| 16:52.46 | zophy | /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// |
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| 16:52.52 | zophy | /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // |
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| 16:54.38 | ompaul | !ops please visit zophy with some common sense |
| 16:54.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: please visit zophy with some common sense |
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| 16:56.29 | abrotman | that'll work |
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| 16:58.34 | jimcooncat | I guess what I mean is like, "Install Linux Without Burning An ISO To CD/DVD - Use The ISO Downloaded To Your Hard Drive" |
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| 16:59.33 | abrotman | jimcooncat: wait what? |
| 16:59.40 | abrotman | jimcooncat: debootstrap doesn't work for you >/ |
| 16:59.41 | abrotman | ? |
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| 17:00.58 | jimcooncat | abrotman: I'm just not understanding it. The wiki page said to "debootstrap wheezy /tmp/blah/", and I'm not sure that's what I want -- I want to install it to another partition. |
| 17:01.41 | jimcooncat | I'd have no problem getting what I need once I boot into a command line of a fresh install. |
| 17:02.04 | wols | jimcooncat: you need to mount this new partition somwhere and then debootstrap it |
| 17:02.13 | wols | in this case it's mounted to /tmp/blah |
| 17:02.47 | jimcooncat | thanks wols. Then I have to tell grub about it, correct? |
| 17:03.05 | wols | yes |
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| 17:03.54 | abrotman | the debootstrap wiki page covers this .. I thought ? |
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| 17:15.04 | jimcooncat | thanks redhat for providing the excellent "Disk Utility" program. |
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| 17:22.45 | Guest38387 | I have send a bug report couple of days ago via E-Mail. Does anyone know whether I can see the status on the bug? |
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| 17:37.54 | stew | Guest38387: http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber |
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| 17:57.27 | meshuggah | hello, with conky at top-right, how do i add measure for CPU and GPU temperature? in the conkyrc ? |
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| 18:02.22 | Some_Person | What would be the best way to replace MATE with LXDE? Or should I just reinstall? |
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| 18:04.35 | abrotman | Some_Person: Debian doesn't have MATE .. which distro are you using ? |
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| 18:04.58 | Some_Person | abrotman: I'm using Debian. MATE is installed from the upstream repo |
| 18:05.47 | joj | meshuggah: conky is configured exclusively by editing conkyrc. starting from http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/conky, you can discover lots of resources, example configurations and ideas on how to make conky do what you want |
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| 18:06.27 | meshuggah | thank |
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| 18:06.47 | abrotman | Some_Person: then ask them how to remove it, not us |
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| 18:12.11 | Some_Person | Well, how do you remove a DE in general? |
| 18:12.58 | abrotman | Some_Person: we don't know, there's no MATE in Debian .. ask them |
| 18:13.04 | abrotman | they have a whole channel for supporting that stuff |
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| 18:13.18 | abrotman | Some_Person: #mate, irc.freenode.net, good luck |
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| 18:13.44 | Some_Person | Yeah, I know |
| 18:13.47 | Some_Person | Thanks, I guess |
| 18:14.07 | oo_miguel | Do i need any extra packages to enable openGL for my wine. I run multiarch and I suppose wine will need some i386 packages, for that, right? |
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| 18:14.25 | Some_Person | I've just never removed a DE before without just reinstalling the whole system |
| 18:15.15 | abrotman | install the new one first, then ask them how to remove the crap you don't want |
| 18:15.59 | Some_Person | I imagine there will be a lot of crap I don't want |
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| 19:15.58 | meshuggah | does someone know how to make conky tell the temperature of ,my cpu amd cpu, on the background, bottom of te other information? (btw i am a noobie but eager to leanr( |
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| 19:22.26 | beepie | hi |
| 19:22.40 | beepie | where's the installer/beta channel? |
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| 19:24.38 | DexterF | hi |
| 19:24.47 | rryoumaa | meshuggah: dunno, i found conky to be troublesome to configure, so i use gkrellm, which has a gui for that |
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| 19:25.28 | DexterF | generic question on naming: apt-cache show libglib2.0-dev says libglib2.0-0 (= 2.33.12+really2.32.4-5). why is tha package's name 2.0 when the version is really 2.32? |
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| 19:25.40 | meshuggah | merci |
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| 19:27.03 | Ast001 | hello I somehow managed to solve upgrade problem. It was ldconfig problem I commented one line in configuration and everything goes fine with dist-upgrade to Wheezy but now I can't do upgrade-from-grup-legacy because grub2 does not like 1.2 superblock on my md0 raid 1 device. I get error segmentation failed when I try to install it on /dev/md0 where it should be instelled. |
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| 19:32.19 | Ast001 | in dmesg I get grub-setup[23929]: segfault at 400682318 ip 0000000000436b14 sp 00007fff474be190 error 4 in grub-setup[400000+55000]. I solve similar problem where boot was separate device by coping in tmp then umount and zero md device and create it again and copy back /boot there, but now I cant copy because everything is on that one partition. Is there some solution for this problem ? |
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| 19:46.14 | devcoin_ | Hello |
| 19:46.27 | hoxu | hi |
| 19:46.36 | devcoin_ | Are there any debian developers on at the moment? |
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| 19:47.10 | devcoin_ | I have some questions |
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| 19:47.46 | hoxu | !ask-to-ask |
| 19:47.46 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
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| 19:48.33 | devcoin_ | Ok. May I speak with some active debian developers? |
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| 19:49.04 | devcoin_ | I am a representative for devcoin and we support open-source works |
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| 19:49.25 | devcoin_ | Devcoin allows developers who can only develop in their free time to earn money for what they do |
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| 19:50.19 | devcoin_ | Most developers can only develop in their free time if they contribute to open source projects |
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| 19:50.57 | devcoin_ | Devcoin's goal is to encourage more development my giving devcoins, which can be converted to USD or bitcoins, for programming accomplishments |
| 19:51.11 | tremon | this is a user support channel, not a developer channel |
| 19:51.19 | devcoin_ | What is the developer channel? |
| 19:51.26 | devcoin_ | Thank you for informing me |
| 19:51.53 | devcoin_ | I was told to go to IRC channels of open source projects and introduce them to devcoin |
| 19:52.21 | tremon | try debian-devel@lists.debian.org, I know of no generic irc channel for debian developers. Although #debian-mentors on oftc might be worth asking |
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| 19:52.48 | devcoin_ | ok, thank you |
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| 19:52.52 | abrotman | tremon: don't redirect a spammer .. wtf |
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| 19:53.00 | abrotman | now i have to ban him all over |
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| 20:01.18 | dragonfly | ok, just did a fresh install in a virtualbox on a Windows host using the 7.3 netinst CD. the ONLY thing I selected in the installer package selector was "Standard System Utilities" and after the installation completed I installed slim, openbox, xorg, xserver-xorg, virtualbox-guest-dkms, and a few other packages that I like to have. 2 Questions though and I think they are related: I am on a laptop with a maximum resolution of 1366x768 but |
| 20:01.18 | dragonfly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:02.26 | rryoumaa | dragonfly: i have never understood why those are not always available, but some are in the logs and dmesg can get some |
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| 20:04.02 | dragonfly | yeah, I've looked in the logs and tried to get as much as I can with dmesg, but still not finding the errors :S |
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| 20:05.54 | rryoumaa | dunno, i hate low level stuff for that reason: you never have enough debugging information |
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| 20:06.19 | dragonfly | hmmm, just dropped to tty1, killed slim and did startx, now i see an error about the vboxvideo module missing.....finally, a clue! |
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| 20:07.04 | knoppix | hi guys. I got two new drives and both are acting up. |
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| 20:07.12 | knoppix | this is what I see: |
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| 20:07.48 | knoppix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:08.15 | knoppix | the size is way too small and parted is not able to make a disk label. |
| 20:08.23 | knoppix | are these defective drives? |
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| 20:08.45 | jhutchins | knoppix: WHat kind of drives are they? |
| 20:08.46 | knoppix | One is in the machine and the other is in a USB cradle. neither one works. |
| 20:08.53 | knoppix | barracuda |
| 20:08.59 | regorianer | hey, a question about ttyUSBx: is it possible to configure a usbHUB, so that i can define, which device can be connected to which port and only this port? better i explain using a simple example: lets assume there a 5 different usb device with different functionalities but equal meta information, so that the kernel cannot determine which type of usb device was connected. so what happens if i plug in a usb device, it gets mounted as ttyUSB0 |
| 20:08.59 | knoppix | I got them yesterday |
| 20:08.59 | regorianer | the next as ttyUSB1 an so on. that make it impossible to determine which device is the device to use within a program if the order of plug-ins is changed. what i need is a port (lets say ttyUSB1) that only handles usb device of type X. in simple words i need to secure, that the HUB mounts as the ports are located (e.g. always port0 as ttyUSB0, port1 as ttyUSB1 and so on). |
| 20:09.12 | jhutchins | knoppix: So conventional hard drives. USB or IDE? |
| 20:09.19 | jhutchins | er, SATA or IDE? |
| 20:09.28 | knoppix | SATA |
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| 20:10.22 | jhutchins | knoppix: You can try testing it with smartmontools. |
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| 20:10.45 | jhutchins | knoppix: Also see what fdisk/cfdisk thinks about them. |
| 20:11.03 | knoppix | cfdisk barfs. I didn't even try fdisk. |
| 20:11.09 | jhutchins | knoppix: Also check syslog and dmesg for how the system detects them. |
| 20:11.22 | knoppix | ok. just a sec. |
| 20:11.25 | jhutchins | knoppix: I think your conclusion is probably correct. |
| 20:11.26 | rryoumaa | is gpt better than mbr if you have a choice? |
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| 20:11.42 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: What do you mean by "better"? |
| 20:12.01 | knoppix | that they are defective? |
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| 20:12.48 | jhutchins | knoppix: Yep. |
| 20:13.18 | rryoumaa | jhutchins: if you have a 2tb drive, does it matter for reliability, security, performance, fun, social responsibility, or much else to use gpt vs. mbr? |
| 20:13.31 | knoppix | this is three in a row. I don't belive it. |
| 20:13.41 | knoppix | something must be wrong with the moherboard. |
| 20:13.52 | tremon | regorianer: you can write a udev hook that assigns a kernel name based on the device path. Start by examining output of udevadm info for the devices |
| 20:13.53 | rryoumaa | jhutchins: i guess i mean better in a broad, normal sense of the word |
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| 20:13.59 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: I suggest you read up on why GPT is being adopted. Start at wikipedia. |
| 20:14.24 | knoppix | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.25 | rryoumaa | jhutchins: i did, except i don't like wikipedia, so i used the arch wiki. i just wanted an overall, personal opinion. never mind. |
| 20:14.49 | jhutchins | knoppix: I wouldn't put anything I cared about on that. |
| 20:15.11 | knoppix | I got these drives because they have a five year warenty. |
| 20:15.35 | regorianer | tremon: yes that i can do, but if the meta information is equal, this is just impossible. an example is a 868mhz rx/tx module, which i need to connect two of them with different configuration. and with lowRF and one with highRF. my program needs to know which port is handling which device |
| 20:15.35 | aghinugrohod | http://www.pornhub.com/ |
| 20:15.41 | aghinugrohod | http://www.pornhub.com/ |
| 20:15.47 | aghinugrohod | http://www.pornhub.com/ |
| 20:15.50 | aghinugrohod | http://www.pornhub.com/ |
| 20:15.57 | aghinugrohod | http://www.pornhub.com/ |
| 20:16.02 | tremon | !ops aghinugrohod |
| 20:16.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: tremon complains about: aghinugrohod |
| 20:16.02 | hoxu | !ops |
| 20:16.02 | aghinugrohod | http://www.pornhub.com/ |
| 20:16.12 | aghinugrohod | http://www.pornhub.com/ |
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| 20:17.30 | Some_Person | Can anyone suggest a decent lightweight web browser? |
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| 20:18.07 | torax | Some_Person: midori, uzbl, luakit |
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| 20:18.20 | tremon | regorianer: so, parse the DEVPATH or ID_PATH variables and hope that they're consistent between reboots. I don't think the usb standard guarantees consistent naming between ports, so you may be asking for an impossibility |
| 20:18.25 | Some_Person | torax: Thanks, I'll look into those |
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| 20:19.34 | regorianer | tremon: just to make it more simple. if i connect two equal usb devices i want my program to control each device in a different predefined way. so that a user can decide, which type of device control he want just by connecting to the right port. if a user has both usb devices, yeah its simple... |
| 20:19.44 | knoppix | has anybody else seen this issue? I have bought three drives in the last two weeks and returned one and am about to reyurn two more. What is going on? Is it my contoller? |
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| 20:21.51 | abrotman | knoppix: maybe ask ##hardware for a better test |
| 20:22.14 | knoppix | ok |
| 20:23.07 | Some_Person | What the hell? The debian installer isn't detecting the cdrom drive? |
| 20:23.11 | jhutchins | knoppix: When you connect the drive via USB it bypasses the SATA controller, otherwise it might be suspect. |
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| 20:23.33 | abrotman | Some_Person: why are you reinstalling? |
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| 20:24.02 | Some_Person | abrotman: Because I figured it would just be easier this way |
| 20:24.22 | abrotman | no |
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| 20:24.31 | LinuxGuy2020 | Do I need samba installed on a client machine on the local network in order to see shares that are stored on my debian server? |
| 20:24.34 | knoppix | yeah. |
| 20:24.40 | Some_Person | abrotman: Why should I not do that? |
| 20:24.45 | LinuxGuy2020 | I cant connect to them for some reason. |
| 20:25.20 | tremon | regorianer: you're not making it more simple by re-asking. You're asking for a program to distinguish between different connected devices, while the devices identify identically to the program. |
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| 20:25.45 | Some_Person | I basically have two options: 1. Attempt to remove MATE, and manually go through things and remove all the stuff I no longer need. 2. Start over, install a few extra things, and we're done |
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| 20:26.47 | jhutchins | regorianer: If they're physically different devices their USB ID should be different. If they're storage devices you can use the UUID to determine how they're handled. |
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| 20:27.59 | regorianer | jhutchins: if they are physically different, there wouldn't be any problem |
| 20:28.19 | tremon | jhutchins: he was asking about different ttyusb (serial) connectors |
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| 20:28.50 | regorianer | tremon: actually not, just want to be sure a device connects to port x is always mounted as ttyUSBx |
| 20:29.01 | jhutchins | regorianer: What do we mean by "different" - maybe just connected to different things? |
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| 20:29.30 | tremon | ttyusb devices are not "mounted" in any way... |
| 20:29.51 | regorianer | jhutchins: the devices are equal and not storage devices, just home automation control devices, like an enocean USB300 or others |
| 20:30.15 | jhutchins | regorianer: Ok, so multiple instances of the same device. |
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| 20:30.24 | regorianer | yeah |
| 20:30.29 | jhutchins | regorianer: I do not think the OS is going to be able to distinguish them then. |
| 20:30.45 | regorianer | well, thats would i thought, damn |
| 20:31.48 | jhutchins | regorianer: I would guess that it would always initialize them in the same order at boot, but if they were connected in a random order I don't think the OS would be able to tell the difference between them. |
| 20:32.33 | jhutchins | regorianer: You can look at the information dmesg displays after you connect them; if there's any difference like a serial or model number, udev could possibly use that. |
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| 20:33.13 | regorianer | jhutchins: well, it should be done at real time. no, the devices are equal so i cannot use udev rules |
| 20:34.22 | tremon | regorianer: as I said before, udev also provides access to DEVPATH which is unique for every connected device. I just don't know if the DEVPATH is consistent across reboots |
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| 20:34.49 | regorianer | jhutchins: two instances of the same device, which are handled different, but letting the user the option to decide on connection time which handling method is used. |
| 20:35.01 | regorianer | tremon: i will read about it and give it a try, thx |
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| 20:38.33 | LinoSP | has successfully installed Debian Wheezy 7.3.0 i386 LXDE on a 13yo laptop Toshiba 1555CDS AMD-K6 380Mhz 160MB RAM Awesome!!!! |
| 20:39.09 | abrotman | Some_Person: what are you learning if you just reinstall ? |
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| 20:42.06 | phogg | Cowardice, that's what. |
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| 20:44.05 | ghost75 | if disk has 488397168 sectors and i want to dd the last one, is this skip=488397167 ? |
| 20:45.13 | abrotman | ghost75: is that how the man page says to do it? |
| 20:45.41 | abrotman | ghost75: please re-read the skip part of the man page |
| 20:46.10 | ghost75 | its skip amount of blocks |
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| 20:47.05 | ghost75 | or is it seek? |
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| 20:49.06 | ghost75 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.16 | ghost75 | please confirm |
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| 20:51.46 | tremon | ghost75: remove the count= and see how much data it copies |
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| 20:52.26 | ghost75 | the same |
| 20:52.40 | tremon | then you have the correct skip count |
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| 20:59.11 | ghost75 | "reboot" does only os reboot or full bios reboot? |
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| 21:00.31 | ar | ghost75: "only os" reboot would be kexec |
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| 21:01.42 | abrotman | and that doesn't even reboot the OS |
| 21:01.48 | Some_Person | abrotman: I know how to do it; I'm just trying to get it done before my dad gets home |
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| 21:02.23 | Some_Person | I'm also a bit lazy |
| 21:02.24 | ghost75 | i just verified the controller does not modify the last sector (didnt believe it i saw it) |
| 21:02.30 | abrotman | or so I thought |
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| 21:02.48 | abrotman | Some_Person: you're doing way more work than you would have originally |
| 21:03.18 | Some_Person | abrotman: Not really. |
| 21:03.53 | Some_Person | abrotman: There is very little that needs to be on this system that a clean install of debian with LXDE doesn't contain |
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| 21:04.17 | abrotman | Some_Person: it should have taken you five minutes instead of five hours |
| 21:05.02 | Some_Person | It won't take 5 hours |
| 21:05.40 | boodie | Hi (stable); I have 50 something updates pending in aptitude , but not enough space on the HD. Having an external USB HD mounted, how can I redirect /var/cache/apt/whatsoever to temporarily cache the downloaded stuff into a directory on the external drive & once finished reset it as it was before? Thanx && Seasonal Greetings to everyone ... |
| 21:05.48 | abrotman | Some_Person: you started asking hours ago |
| 21:05.58 | Some_Person | I was doing other things |
| 21:06.10 | abrotman | sure, still should have taken five minutes |
| 21:06.18 | abrotman | whatever excuse makes you feel better |
| 21:06.19 | Some_Person | namely helping my mom wrap presents |
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| 21:08.46 | buu | boodie: symlink the drive to wherever you want? |
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| 21:09.50 | buu | s/drive/folder/ |
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| 21:10.31 | abrotman | boodie: you did run apt-get clean before starting ? |
| 21:10.37 | boodie | buu: Yeah, it seems simple ... |
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| 21:10.47 | boodie | abrotman: Yes, still tight |
| 21:11.06 | abrotman | boodie: cleaned up logs in /var/log/. ? |
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| 21:11.28 | boodie | abrotman: No, how can I safely do this? |
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| 21:12.43 | boodie | I think that when I configured the system initially I miscalculated the size of the various disks (directories) |
| 21:13.53 | abrotman | boodie: removing the .gz files is a good start |
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| 21:14.27 | buu | boodie: I did that once or twice, now I've given up on directory per partitioning schemes |
| 21:14.42 | buu | It never seems to work out in your favour. |
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| 21:16.11 | boodie | buu: yes, the best thing is to have infinite space ... in fact I thought that having separate partitions would have been a good idea |
| 21:16.33 | LtL | boodie: chapter 4.4.3 has tips for what you want. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-process |
| 21:16.41 | boodie | abrotman: which .gz files in particular? |
| 21:17.59 | LtL | boodie: all the *.gz logs in /var/log/ are expendable. if i've followed this conversation correctly |
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| 21:18.52 | abrotman | boodie: du -sh /var/* ; please pastebin this |
| 21:20.07 | jhutchins | I have a job in cron.daily that's not running for some reason. |
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| 21:20.58 | abrotman | jhutchins: does teh file name have a . in it? |
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| 21:21.50 | boodie | http://pastie.org/8570085 |
| 21:22.15 | buu | Thats a lot of log file and tmp files! |
| 21:22.52 | abrotman | boodie: start in /var/log/ ... find /var/log/ -name *.gz -exec rm {} \; |
| 21:23.13 | abrotman | and then find out what the hell is in /var/tmp/ |
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| 21:23.46 | buu | My /var/tmp is 4.0k, heh. |
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| 21:26.55 | boodie | new output of du -sh /var/* http://pastie.org/8570088 |
| 21:27.30 | boodie | pastebin.debian.net seems not to function; |
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| 21:28.36 | buu | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 21:29.12 | buu | boodie: can you run ls -lR /var/tmp; and paste that if it isn't more than a page or two? |
| 21:29.47 | abrotman | that's all it removed? |
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| 21:30.51 | boodie | apparently; |
| 21:31.29 | boodie | buu: bash: -R: invalid option |
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| 21:33.53 | abrotman | boodie: just pastebin 'ls -l /var/tmp/' for starters |
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| 21:35.56 | boodie | Sorry , I mismanaged the command before - http://pastie.org/8570104 |
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| 21:37.00 | boodie | There are some temporary monsters there ... |
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| 21:39.28 | boodie | buu: the output of "ls -lR /var/tmp" is rather enormous ... |
| 21:39.44 | abrotman | boodie: wtf are those sort files ? |
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| 21:40.31 | kittonian | hi all |
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| 21:41.25 | boodie | God knows ... |
| 21:41.36 | kittonian | i've got a few 4U rack servers that are pretty old (and very heavy) that I would like to replace with much smaller systems. I was thinking of buying a few Mac Minis and installing Debian on them but I'm wondering if anyone knows of anything even less expensive, silent, and that has dual NICs |
| 21:42.08 | kittonian | two of the systems are primary and secondary DNS servers and the other runs iptables and acts as a router/firewall |
| 21:42.35 | kittonian | not doing anything intense of these systems, in fact X-windows isn't even installed. these are stripped down command line only boxes |
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| 21:46.54 | boodie | abrotman: do you think that those temp stuff could be eliminated? |
| 21:47.12 | abrotman | boodie: you can use fuser to see if they're still in use (or lsof) |
| 21:47.30 | abrotman | kittonian: plenty of ARM boxes |
| 21:48.22 | abrotman | kittonian: also, see something like logicsupply.com, look at the smaller boxes |
| 21:49.49 | abrotman | kittonian: probably a better topic for #debian-offtopic |
| 21:50.17 | kittonian | abrotman: thanks. this is the same kind of stuff i've already been finding. the price is the same or higher than a mac mini and it's very difficult to find dual nics |
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| 21:51.47 | jhutchins | kittonian: Minis basically use notebook hardware. If you were to get a couple of refurbed desktops that would probably be just as good. |
| 21:52.06 | jhutchins | kittonian: Rack shelves to mount 'em on would probably cost as much |
| 21:52.31 | jhutchins | kittonian: BTW, Primary & Secondary DNS on the same machine? Hopefully for different domains. |
| 21:52.58 | boodie | the output of su -c "fuser /var/tmp/sort5eMgjv" is nothing ... |
| 21:53.20 | jhutchins | Microsoft found out first hand back in the '90s why you don't run Primary & Secondary DNS on the same physical network. |
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| 21:54.43 | kittonian | jhutchins: never said primary and secondary on the same machine. i am trying to replace 3 servers with small quiet machines |
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| 21:55.11 | naptastic | Did gnome-do get removed? I just installed Wheezy on a new machine, dist-upgraded to Jessie, and gnome-do can't be found |
| 21:55.16 | kittonian | these are all 12+ years old with the iptables machine running a celeron processor and the dns machines running dual PIIIs |
| 21:55.18 | boodie | Ok: how can I mock "apt-get update" in order to see if I have enough disk space ... I'm sure it's possible |
| 21:55.38 | kittonian | i'm sure anything made today will be more than adequate power-wise |
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| 21:57.24 | jhutchins | kittonian: Yeah, use less electricity too. |
| 21:57.45 | jhutchins | kittonian: I would recommend supermicro if you really want rack mount. |
| 21:58.03 | buu | kittonian: Why don't you use virtual machines? |
| 21:58.11 | jhutchins | kittonian: Otherwise MicroCenter has good deals on refurbed Dells. (Hey, cheap & functional.) |
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| 21:58.32 | abrotman | naptastic: it has a new name IIRC |
| 21:58.46 | abrotman | naptastic: try alt-f2 |
| 21:59.05 | buu | kittonian: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101332 |
| 21:59.24 | abrotman | !ot |
| 21:59.24 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 22:00.16 | kittonian | jhutchins: don't want rack mount. that's why i was looking for a similar form factor to a mac mini. what i want to do is get rid of the huge industrial rack in the machine room since the only reason it exists is to hold these old servers. i would like to have something nice and small (and quiet) that can sit on a desk |
| 22:00.27 | evaryont | so I feel kinda dumb, but I've forgotten how to list the enabled boot time services in wheezy. Keep looking for chkconfig, which is in redhat based distros... |
| 22:00.28 | abrotman | please move this to #debian-offtopic |
| 22:00.41 | abrotman | evaryont: ls /etc/rc2.d/ generally |
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| 22:01.07 | evaryont | abrotman: no convienent tool that spans run levels? In a nicer "This is on, this is off" UI? :) |
| 22:01.28 | kittonian | buu: great suggestion, but by the time you put in the memory and the hard drive you have surpassed the price of a mac mini |
| 22:01.29 | abrotman | evaryont: rcconf perhaps |
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| 22:01.36 | abrotman | kittonian: again, #debian-offtopic, last warning |
| 22:02.10 | kittonian | abrotman: i'm responding to others talking to me. no need to "warn" me |
| 22:02.23 | abrotman | kittonian: you're continuing, ask them to join you in #debian-offtopic |
| 22:02.24 | evaryont | abrotman: oh, neat, `rcconf --list`. Thanks! |
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| 22:02.46 | boodie | Hi: If I ran "apt-get -s install" would I be able to see whether I have enough disk space? |
| 22:02.59 | abrotman | boodie: did you run apt-get clean yet? |
| 22:03.04 | abrotman | did you get rid of those sort files ? |
| 22:03.18 | boodie | Yes ... it freed some space in fact ... |
| 22:03.29 | abrotman | should have been quite a bit of space |
| 22:03.49 | boodie | Do you think that these stupid sort file can be removed safely? |
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| 22:04.18 | abrotman | boodie: I said you should use lsof or fuser to see if they're still in use |
| 22:04.50 | boodie | I haven't touched them yet. fuser doesn't indicate any user |
| 22:05.29 | boodie | the output of fuser filename is nothing |
| 22:05.37 | buu | That was weird. |
| 22:05.47 | abrotman | I presume someone took it to msg |
| 22:05.51 | klys | if that doesn't work look for files you have mounted loopback or subordinate mount points such as /proc in chroot |
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| 22:06.18 | klys | er, if it doesn't work on a directory |
| 22:06.25 | abrotman | they're files .. |
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| 22:07.32 | boodie | Anyway, thanks for now ... I must go : see you (Merry Xmas) |
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| 22:22.48 | poorrick | So I just upgraded to Jessie. I guess I have to compile xpdf from source? |
| 22:22.58 | abrotman | why? |
| 22:23.02 | abrotman | judd: versions xpdf |
| 22:23.03 | judd | Package: xpdf on i386 -- squeeze: 3.02-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.03-10; sid: 3.03-11 |
| 22:23.07 | abrotman | oh, neat |
| 22:23.13 | abrotman | poorrick: or use evince? |
| 22:23.41 | poorrick | abrotman: Yeah, but meeeeeeehhhhhh |
| 22:24.14 | abrotman | your call |
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| 22:25.19 | phy1729 | Is mentor a new bot? |
| 22:25.28 | dvs | heh |
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| 22:26.25 | abrotman | phy1729: no |
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| 22:29.48 | wols | poorrick: just install the wheezy version? not is if it wouldn't work |
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| 22:30.55 | babilen | poorrick: You should be able to pull it from unstable easily. |
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| 22:32.20 | poorrick | I don't have much good experience pulling from outside the release I'm running. Is that a backports thing or could I add the entire wheezy repo to my source list |
| 22:32.36 | poorrick | At least temporarily |
| 22:33.37 | babilen | poorrick: Well, you are running testing already and it is, at this point in the release cycle, hardly possible to track it without pulling packages from sid when needed. (Either to fix (grave?) security bugs or because of package removals or ...) |
| 22:34.31 | babilen | poorrick: I would consider mixing testing with unstable a much saner setup than installing it from wheezy and pinning it (and all its transitive dependencies) |
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| 22:34.57 | abrotman | judd: depends xpdf --release unstable |
| 22:34.58 | judd | Package xpdf in sid/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libpoppler19 (>= 0.18.4), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6, libxm4 (>= 2.3.4), libxt6. |
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| 22:35.12 | poorrick | babilen: Alright, thanks for the advice. I'll get outta you guys's hair about it. |
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| 22:36.19 | babilen | poorrick: If you don't feel comfortable any of this you might want to reconsider your choice to track testing in the first place. The setup I am referring to is <tum> (/msg dpkg tum) and I would also recommend to read <sid faq> |
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| 22:38.48 | poorrick | babilen: It was really an aesthetic choice because steam was in Jessie. And really this is my only issue so far (besides remembering to install and junk :/). I cut my teeth on the mess that calls itself archlinux, so this is all practically a cakewalk to me. |
| 22:39.07 | poorrick | install 3rd party stuff and junk* |
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| 22:39.28 | poorrick | I mean in terms of dealing with unstable packages, that is |
| 22:40.34 | babilen | poorrick: Okay, please keep in mind that testing is a development release with no^Walmost none security support and quite a number of idiosyncrasies. It is, however, certainly usable, but read the wiki page for some "best practices" when tracking development release. |
| 22:40.44 | verdeb | hi how can one interpret shmmax.. as like the maximum limit one can create a buffer in the RAM? |
| 22:41.40 | babilen | poorrick: I guess the best advice I can give you: Read what the package managers are about to do, check apt-listbugs output, try different tools (apt-get, apt-get with apt-cudf, aptitude) if you are not happy and don't do things you don't actually want to do. |
| 22:42.18 | petn-randall | verdeb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_memory |
| 22:42.43 | poorrick | babilen: Alrighty, will do, thanks. |
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| 23:03.54 | ^qop^ | anyone can help to connect host-to-host troughh eth? I guess it is just a matter of getting a mutually recognized ip |
| 23:04.06 | abrotman | with a crossover cable? |
| 23:04.18 | ^qop^ | but dunno how exactly, aside from changing /etc/hosts on both machines.. what else? |
| 23:04.34 | abrotman | address them by IP ? |
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| 23:04.54 | ^qop^ | abrotman: well, I don't have a plug to make one, but I was told gigabit wouldn't need to |
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| 23:05.06 | ^qop^ | but If I have no choice... |
| 23:05.53 | ^qop^ | right, I set 10.1.1.10 to one, and 10.1.1.100 to the other, ping say network is unreachable |
| 23:05.58 | Penix | lots have support for auto sensing a direct connection, but I don't know if every nic does |
| 23:06.15 | ^qop^ | oh |
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| 23:06.36 | Penix | so, yeah, you might want to try a crossover cable to rule out that possibility |
| 23:06.56 | ^qop^ | ugh, drive an hr just to get a plug :p |
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| 23:07.18 | ^qop^ | unlesss... |
| 23:07.21 | Penix | or hack up your own, if you're in a macguyver mood |
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| 23:07.41 | ncp | why use debian? because it's damn awesome, THAT's why! 8) |
| 23:08.03 | ^qop^ | well anyway... is it ok the way I'm doing it ? |
| 23:09.20 | Penix | ^qop^: yes |
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| 23:09.42 | ^qop^ | cool :) |
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| 23:42.48 | IrcDroidClient | need help at grub rescue |
| 23:43.32 | grep0r | IrcDroidClient, like? |
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| 23:44.41 | IrcDroidClient | i think image on (hd0,msdos1) |
| 23:45.24 | IrcDroidClient | on phone typing hard |
| 23:46.02 | IrcDroidClient | command to boot? |
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| 23:49.06 | dvs | IrcDroidClient: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
| 23:49.57 | ^qop^ | IrcDroidClient: boo |
| 23:50.00 | ^qop^ | boot * |
| 23:50.38 | IrcDroidClient | thanks dvs |
| 23:50.57 | dvs | no prob |
| 23:51.27 | IrcDroidClient | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:54.05 | grep0r | IrcDroidClient, you can use a livecd to boot on general and fix if that helps you so you can have GUI, plus it can be done with a rescue cd or "autorepair: it with cd from here http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ |
| 23:55.23 | grep0r | otherwise you have to do it manual as link that dvs gave you |
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