| 00:00.18 | jugglinmike | rayzer: http://paste.debian.net/72403/ |
| 00:00.46 | orogor | let s see |
| 00:00.51 | rayzer | i had 20rows a basic fucking perl, i had 10 rows of pissin c++, still no help =/ |
| 00:01.05 | orogor | rayzer, what did you do today ? |
| 00:01.16 | abrotman | orogor: please stop |
| 00:01.35 | reavengrey | rayzer: what language is pissin c++ |
| 00:01.43 | reavengrey | is that c++14? |
| 00:01.47 | abrotman | ... |
| 00:02.04 | reavengrey | I thought it was witty :| |
| 00:02.05 | rayzer | reavengrey: haha |
| 00:02.11 | rayzer | pissing |
| 00:02.15 | abrotman | !ot |
| 00:02.16 | dpkg_ | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 00:02.24 | donvito | whats the minimum system requirmens for debian 7.3 |
| 00:02.26 | donvito | !system |
| 00:02.27 | dpkg_ | somebody said system was the bomb |
| 00:02.31 | donvito | !system requirments |
| 00:02.43 | abrotman | donvito: see the installation guide for your architecture at debian.org |
| 00:03.10 | rayzer | jugglinmike: i need to talk direct, are you in "terminal" or other? |
| 00:03.33 | abrotman | rayzer: please keep it in the channel |
| 00:04.20 | rayzer | okey, your xserver finds all your hardware |
| 00:04.43 | rayzer | what do you have |
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| 00:04.52 | rayzer | ls /usr/X11/ |
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| 00:04.59 | abrotman | rayzer: please stop .. you're not helping |
| 00:05.47 | rayzer | abrotman: and why is that so? |
| 00:06.07 | abrotman | because |
| 00:08.27 | orogor | ok , that was fun , gn all |
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| 00:09.28 | wols_ | jugglinmike: just never let anyone from irc ssh into your system or otherwise directly access it. doubly no if they ask for it like rayzer |
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| 00:10.15 | jugglinmike | wols_: yessir |
| 00:10.42 | rayzer | abrotman: i, have read all his logs, i, know, whats hardware involved, and i know, how to fix |
| 00:10.53 | abrotman | no, you don't |
| 00:11.06 | rayzer | okey |
| 00:11.07 | abrotman | If you knew how to fix it, this wouldn't have gone on for 30 minutes |
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| 00:11.20 | rayzer | haha really= |
| 00:11.23 | rayzer | ?= |
| 00:12.01 | rayzer | so you think im a lowlife fucker, who wants to piss of people? |
| 00:12.24 | Penix | rayzer: no, we think you're just making things more confusing for the people you're trying to 'help' |
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| 00:12.48 | ScottSteiner | Is it possible to get the xbmc package to work in debian without resorting to using the deb-multimedia packages? It seems like it has a lot of broken dependencies |
| 00:12.48 | abrotman | rayzer: please take a timeout, that wasn't necessary |
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| 00:13.17 | abrotman | ScottSteiner: are you trying to compile it? |
| 00:13.25 | ScottSteiner | abrotman: install from the repos |
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| 00:13.34 | abrotman | ScottSteiner: which repos? |
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| 00:14.07 | abrotman | ScottSteiner: if oyu're installing from official Debian repos, shouldn't require other packages .. which other packages is it asking for ? |
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| 00:17.34 | ScottSteiner | http://pastebin.ca/raw/2517379 |
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| 00:19.10 | ScottSteiner | strange though, i did another update of apt (i had done one before) and now it works |
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| 00:19.36 | MutantTurkey | so i am tryng to install python-magic and get an error |
| 00:19.37 | MutantTurkey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:20.05 | MutantTurkey | this is on wheezy with some backports |
| 00:20.11 | MutantTurkey | any idea's on how to try and resolve it? |
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| 00:20.39 | MutantTurkey | ah nvm that solved it |
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| 00:25.16 | abrotman | ScottSteiner: all fixed up ? |
| 00:26.10 | ScottSteiner | yeah, somehow fixed itself. maybe just a temporary glitch with my previous apt update |
| 00:26.36 | abrotman | or you were actually out of date :) |
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| 00:28.25 | PryMar56 | looking at TMP_SIZE in /etc/default/tmpfs: is 384M understood as mega bytes? |
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| 00:29.04 | freeroute | does Debian 7 stable use initrd or initramfs? |
| 00:29.40 | abrotman | freeroute: initramfs |
| 00:29.54 | freeroute | thanks abrotman :) |
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| 00:30.56 | jugglinmike | Still struggling to get the middle trackpad button to control scrolling on this thinkpad. Neither of these guides have helped http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint#xorg.conf.d https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/Trackpoint#Trackpoint_Scrolling_on_Wheezy Anyone around have a suggestion on where to look next? |
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| 00:31.47 | abrotman | jugglinmike: I have one, but I prefer mine not do the scrolling .. |
| 00:32.10 | jugglinmike | shucks |
| 00:32.17 | jugglinmike | thanks anyway abrotman |
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| 00:32.33 | abrotman | taking a look |
| 00:33.25 | abrotman | jugglinmike: what have you done so far? |
| 00:33.43 | abrotman | on Debian, it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 00:34.10 | ScottSteiner | abrotman: yeah, now just need to figure out why i cant do opengl and my capture card isn't being seen by tvheadend |
| 00:34.30 | jugglinmike | abrotman: I've tried in both /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d and /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d |
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| 00:35.19 | jugglinmike | initially I was placing these directives alongside my trackpoint config in a file named `50-synaptics.conf` (which otherwise functions correctly) |
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| 00:35.43 | jugglinmike | abrotman: but now I'm placing them in their own file, `20-thinkpad.conf`, as recommended by those guides |
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| 00:36.16 | jugglinmike | abrotman: is it poor form to also ask in #debian on oftc? |
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| 00:36.37 | jimcooncat | /dev/sgd1 would be what to grub? (hd1,1)? how to find out? |
| 00:36.52 | abrotman | ScottSteiner: ca n't help you there |
| 00:37.06 | abrotman | jugglinmike: pastebin both those files please |
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| 00:40.23 | jugglinmike | abrotman: sure http://paste.debian.net/72410/ |
| 00:41.11 | abrotman | jugglinmike: I'm not actually sure if you can have it setup like that .. |
| 00:41.20 | jugglinmike | abrotman: the "Driver" "evdev" line is from another source, but it has no effect--broken either |
| 00:41.22 | abrotman | you have more than one definition for the same device? |
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| 00:43.13 | jugglinmike | abrotman: I still don't quite understand how this all works. Do you recommend I place the settings from those two tutorials in the same "section" block as in the `50-synaptics.conf` file? |
| 00:44.18 | abrotman | i'd try one at a time |
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| 00:46.40 | blumoon | so the topic says to msg the bot for help but i see ur typing in main chat is that ok ? |
| 00:48.01 | jugglinmike | abrotman: I'm not sure I will be able to verify that this scrolling configuration is correct without the `50-synaptics.conf` file because the latter is what enables middle click |
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| 00:48.42 | abrotman | blumoon: yes, of course |
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| 00:51.27 | jugglinmike | rebooting |
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| 00:55.14 | jugglinmike | abrotman: Apologies, I forgot to mention |
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| 00:55.28 | jugglinmike | [mike@debian ~]$ synclient EmulateWheel=true |
| 00:55.28 | jugglinmike | Unknown parameter EmulateWheel |
| 00:56.06 | abrotman | jugglinmike: synclient -l ? |
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| 00:57.22 | jugglinmike | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/72413/ |
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| 00:58.08 | abrotman | jugglinmike: do you see the one you'd wnat ? |
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| 01:00.12 | jugglinmike | abrotman: No--none of the options described in those guides are listed |
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| 01:01.21 | jugglinmike | I was starting to think that they were "synaptics" options, since they aren't recognized by `synclient` and they pertain to mouse button behavior. That's why I was experimenting with placing them in separate "Section" blocks |
| 01:01.26 | jugglinmike | abrotman: ^ |
| 01:01.40 | jugglinmike | but this is all guesswork for me |
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| 01:04.25 | abrotman | jugglinmike: you might want to ask #xorg .. it shouldn't be this hard, but I'm happy mine doesn't do that |
| 01:05.08 | jugglinmike | abrotman: Hahah yeah, this is definitely a hassle |
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| 01:05.17 | jugglinmike | thanks for sticking with me! I'll follow up there :) |
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| 01:11.23 | AzureNinja | i got a grub/debian question |
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| 01:12.12 | AzureNinja | when i install debian through a dvd, grub fails to install |
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| 01:12.50 | abrotman | but? |
| 01:13.24 | AzureNinja | well i was wondering why grub wont install |
| 01:13.45 | AzureNinja | it wants to install on my masterbootrecord |
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| 01:14.25 | davexunit | hello everyone. I'm having a hell of a time getting the nvidia proprietary drivers to work on testing with the 3.11 kernel. |
| 01:14.58 | davexunit | I have a little intel atom box with an nvidia ion chipset that I have been neglecting, so I updated it and screwed things up. |
| 01:15.22 | davexunit | When I start X, I get the error: Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 01:15.42 | davexunit | I have read the instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 01:15.53 | davexunit | and I've also blacklisted nouveau for good measure. |
| 01:15.55 | davexunit | to no avail. |
| 01:16.30 | AzureNinja | ill just try easybcd |
| 01:16.50 | davexunit | and I've run nvidia-xconfig. I'm not sure what else I can do. |
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| 01:18.46 | AzureNinja | installing linux without internet is hard |
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| 01:20.14 | abrotman | eh, no |
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| 01:24.04 | AzureNinja | do i boot from linux or swap ? |
| 01:26.39 | twobitsprite | boot from swap? |
| 01:26.53 | twobitsprite | what does that mean? |
| 01:27.05 | abrotman | nothing good |
| 01:27.52 | AzureNinja | ./ignore abrotman useless ape |
| 01:27.57 | twobitsprite | AzureNinja: oh, are you looking at the list of partitions when installing grub and one is called "swap" or something? |
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| 01:28.31 | AzureNinja | well im using easybcd to make the bootloader because it fails to make the bootloader in debian |
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| 01:28.54 | AzureNinja | it calls them drive partition linux and drive partition swap |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | this isn't going to go well |
| 01:29.46 | AzureNinja | cause right now all i have is linux installed with no way to access it |
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| 01:30.05 | abrotman | AzureNinja: use your installer CD to boot into rescue mode |
| 01:30.05 | twobitsprite | well, I don't think you're going to get much help on easybcd in here... what goes wrong when you try to do it from the debian install cd? |
| 01:30.07 | AzureNinja | so im on windows making a bootloader manually |
| 01:30.18 | AzureNinja | it just fails |
| 01:30.34 | twobitsprite | error message? |
| 01:30.36 | AzureNinja | after the grub part thats the end of installation remove disc and restarts to windows |
| 01:31.02 | abrotman | does it tell you grub fails? |
| 01:31.26 | twobitsprite | AzureNinja: did you install grub to the MBR? |
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| 01:32.00 | AzureNinja | no ... |
| 01:32.08 | AzureNinja | its on a seperate drive |
| 01:32.17 | AzureNinja | in a partition |
| 01:32.21 | twobitsprite | that's probably the problem... |
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| 01:32.45 | AzureNinja | i tried to install grub on that partition tho ? |
| 01:32.46 | twobitsprite | point your bios at the other drive as the first boot option |
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| 01:34.48 | AzureNinja | idk how to do that in my bios because i dont see that option anywhere |
| 01:35.08 | twobitsprite | well, I can't help you with your bios, but trust me, the option is there somewhere |
| 01:35.15 | AzureNinja | im just gonna add both the linux and swap and try from there |
| 01:35.22 | twobitsprite | no |
| 01:35.25 | twobitsprite | that's not going to help |
| 01:35.47 | twobitsprite | if your bios is booting the drive with Windows, and you installed Debian to a separate drive, you need to fix your bios |
| 01:35.54 | AzureNinja | easy bcd uses grub |
| 01:36.01 | twobitsprite | so? |
| 01:36.14 | AzureNinja | and im doing on windows so its going to overwrite my mbr |
| 01:36.16 | twobitsprite | the problem isn't grub, it's that your bios is booting the windows drive |
| 01:36.20 | abrotman | yeah .. i'm the useless ape ... |
| 01:36.44 | reavengrey | trash |
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| 01:46.12 | AzureNinja | well i was able to boot to grub but i didnt see any debian |
| 01:47.07 | abrotman | how did you install grub again? |
| 01:48.07 | AzureNinja | well i quit debian til i get some ethernet internet bye |
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| 01:49.05 | reavengrey | His ethernet controller really isn |
| 01:49.08 | reavengrey | isn't supported? |
| 01:49.18 | reavengrey | I find that really hard to believe |
| 01:49.27 | axelrutger | that can happen some times |
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| 01:50.53 | SrvK | Hey I can't seem to find any way to access settings or preferences on the rhythmbox GUI |
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| 01:51.50 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 01:52.47 | abrotman | SrvK: in Gnome3? |
| 01:52.58 | SrvK | yes |
| 01:53.17 | Mike9863 | I killed pulseaudio but now I'm having trouble getting it to start again. When I run pulseaudio -D it gives me an error saying the Daemon startup failed. Can anyone help me start it again? |
| 01:54.22 | abrotman | SrvK: click on the Rhythmbox in the top menu bar |
| 01:54.38 | SrvK | bingo |
| 01:54.39 | SrvK | thank you |
| 01:55.35 | abrotman | gets the Captain Obvious Award for the day :) |
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| 01:58.58 | SrvK | I can't change the order of the info clomuns, bummer. |
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| 02:05.26 | meshuggah | how can i make my webcam works? |
| 02:06.18 | Nik05 | plug it in? |
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| 02:06.45 | meshuggah | it is a laptop |
| 02:06.52 | meshuggah | it is always plugged |
| 02:08.01 | Nik05 | firmware? |
| 02:09.14 | meshuggah | how? |
| 02:09.22 | meshuggah | me == noob |
| 02:09.27 | meshuggah | i barely can turn on a computer |
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| 02:11.53 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 02:12.22 | ShapeShifter499 | my "apt-get install virtualbox-4.3" stalled 15% into download, what should I do? |
| 02:12.24 | meshuggah | heya ShapeShifter499 |
| 02:12.49 | meshuggah | apt-get deletethnoncomlete crap virusalbox |
| 02:12.55 | meshuggah | an try again? |
| 02:13.24 | abrotman | what? |
| 02:13.31 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: hit ctrl-c, start again |
| 02:13.54 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, it keeps stalling at 15% |
| 02:14.04 | meshuggah | how much free space u got? |
| 02:14.05 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: df -h, HDD full / |
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| 02:14.07 | abrotman | ? |
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| 02:14.14 | meshuggah | and anyway, virtualbox you should delete from their website |
| 02:14.20 | meshuggah | else you get non uptodate crap |
| 02:14.27 | meshuggah | you should download* |
| 02:14.49 | abrotman | meshuggah: do you need help? |
| 02:14.53 | ScottSteiner | I have an AMD A8-3850 APU (Radeon HD 6550D) and can't get OpenGL to work in debian. I have fglrx-driver 13.8~beta1-3 installed through the debian non-free repo. Here's the output of my lspci: http://paste.debian.net/plain/72417 Any ideas on what's going wrong? |
| 02:15.01 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, I have plenty of space ---> rootfs 440G 268G 151G 65% / |
| 02:15.07 | meshuggah | abrotman, yes to make my laptopwebcam works |
| 02:15.14 | ShapeShifter499 | 151g available |
| 02:15.24 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: where's /var/ ? |
| 02:15.51 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, hang on let me paste the whole thing |
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| 02:16.45 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, doesn't matter download has picked up again |
| 02:17.02 | ShapeShifter499 | must have been the server |
| 02:18.46 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 02:19.16 | pbk829 | can anyone recommend a good graphical process/system monitor? |
| 02:19.32 | meshuggah | webcam works in Cheese but not skype, someone can help me plzz |
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| 02:26.44 | buu | pbk829: htop |
| 02:27.04 | pbk829 | I meant to ask for one with a GUI |
| 02:27.19 | laigualdad | has anyone tried integrating their pidgin with the gnome shell? i found an extension, but it´s 2 years old. https://github.com/kagesenshi/gnome-shell-extensions-pidgin |
| 02:28.16 | abrotman | laigualdad: I used pidgin, haven't had good luck with the plugins |
| 02:28.55 | laigualdad | ah oh well |
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| 02:39.04 | phy1729 | Suggestions for a simple send only MTA? |
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| 02:42.51 | keflex | i have a possible ClipIt issue. when copying selected text, either via right-click-->copy or ^C, i cannot simply right-click->paste or ^V or Shift-Insert to paste. i must first select the last-copied item from the clipit menu, then i can paste however i like. is this a known problem? |
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| 02:55.49 | keflex | nevermind, rxvt's clipboard perl extension was messing with it |
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| 03:00.22 | ShapeShifter499 | what did I do now? error while loading shared libraries: libselinux.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 03:38.59 | soyiuz | hello, quick question: i am trying to install tor-bundle on my deiban machine, using tar -xvJF as per instructions and i am gettin an error "cannot use multi-volume compressed archives"... any ideas? |
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| 03:51.11 | pl_ | Hi. I ee that the initscript for the cgroup services have been removed. Why that? |
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| 03:52.06 | abrotman | did you check the docs in /usr/share/doc/ ? |
| 03:55.23 | pl_ | abrotman, yes, but I found nothing |
| 03:56.30 | pl_ | The daemon can be used as a service with the cgred script, which is shipped |
| 03:56.32 | pl_ | as scripts/init.d/cgred |
| 03:56.39 | pl_ | but this is not true |
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| 04:01.32 | meshuggah | hey all, i got new bios update for my laptop, but it recquir winxp or vista, but i am on linux, what can i do to install th bios update? |
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| 04:03.41 | meshuggah | can i use wine\ |
| 04:04.04 | spacebison | meshuggah: Check on the vendors website. Sometimes they have a cdrom image you can boot from to update it. |
| 04:04.40 | spacebison | At the risk of bricking your motherboard, I wouldn't use wine. |
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| 04:06.14 | spacebison | If your laptop works fine otherwise, don't fix what isn't broken. |
| 04:07.27 | meshuggah | so i use freedos> |
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| 04:08.09 | ctmjr | meshuggah: there are guides google it am sure no one here is willing to help you brick your mother board |
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| 04:08.30 | meshuggah | should be ok in freedos |
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| 04:30.26 | Hassen | wine breaks the motherboard?what's that?N |
| 04:30.32 | Hassen | *? |
| 04:31.01 | ZekeS | using wine to run a proprietary bios flasher |
| 04:31.55 | Hassen | ah..a low-level thingy? |
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| 04:58.20 | Okee | I don't like gnome 3, and wondering if it is possible for me to install gnome 2 on debian stable? |
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| 04:59.18 | LtL | Okee: negative |
| 04:59.53 | DrakkenWarr | Mate would be your best choice for a "classic" gnome experience |
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| 05:00.58 | Okee | LtL> Does MATE do a better job of changing the wall paper? That is one thing that gnome 3 did do right. Gnome 3 is hard to configure, and the extensions for moving things around is deeply buried, and not readily visible. |
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| 05:01.23 | LtL | Okee: ask DrakkenWarr or someone, i couldn't say. |
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| 05:02.16 | DrakkenWarr | MATE is a bit easier to use than Gnome3, but there is still a learning curve with it. Like anything new |
| 05:02.25 | Okee | DrakkenWarr> You out there? |
| 05:02.38 | DrakkenWarr | Out where? |
| 05:03.00 | Okee | DrakkenWarr> Can MATE be run with Debian Stable? |
| 05:03.14 | Okee | I don't like gnome 3, because it is too difficult to configure. |
| 05:03.16 | DrakkenWarr | yes it can, it should be in the repos |
| 05:03.37 | DrakkenWarr | if you want something more simple, there is always XFCE, and LXDE |
| 05:03.47 | DrakkenWarr | it is up too you and what you want config wise |
| 05:03.48 | Okee | Does MATE do a better job of allowing add ons for wall paper? Wallpaper is one of the few things that gnome 3 did do correctly. |
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| 05:04.20 | DrakkenWarr | As far as I remember, it does. I run openbox. But it I did mess with MATE for a bit |
| 05:04.22 | mazzanet | hmm |
| 05:04.40 | mazzanet | i just came across a package that is in squeeze, wheezy and sid but not jessie |
| 05:04.57 | Okee | XFCE is easy to configure, and LXDE is great for older laptops because it is so quick. Cinnamon didn't do a very good job with wall paper, and the code is a bit buggy. However, it is very easy to configure. |
| 05:05.27 | Okee | OK. I am going to install MATE and see if I like it. I have never tried MATE before. I hear it is based on gnome 2. |
| 05:05.50 | DrakkenWarr | it is based on a fork of Gnome 2 |
| 05:07.23 | Okee | I definitely want to stay with Debian stable, but find a bunch of bugs that should be fixed. Debian stable is not that smart and couldn't find my new Blue Ray Drive when installing wheezy. The boot recognized the drive, but the OS didn't. Also, that IM Empathy is pathetic, and loaded with bugs. I got rid of it and installed jabber. Also, got rid of that mail/calendar program and plan on doing dual installs of Thunderbird, if I can figur |
| 05:07.23 | Okee | e out how to do it.. |
| 05:07.57 | Okee | Meant to say I installed Pidgin in place of Empathy. The jabber mentioned above is a typo. |
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| 05:08.30 | DrakkenWarr | pidgin is the right way to go, and grab icedove for email |
| 05:08.43 | DrakkenWarr | thunderbird can be done, but it is really not worth it |
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| 05:10.51 | Okee | DrakenWarr> What is mate called? I can't find it with apt-cache search |
| 05:11.47 | DrakkenWarr | apt-get install mate I would think, give me a tick if that does not work |
| 05:12.35 | DrakkenWarr | or apt-get install mate-desktop |
| 05:15.26 | DrakkenWarr | Okee : http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download#debian |
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| 05:15.44 | Okee | I got rid of Evolution. The design of Evolution is good, but the quality of the programming is real poor, and there are bugs everywhere. Evolution has been this way for a long time, and I am surprised that both Evolution and Empathy were recommended by Debian Stable. They really should be pulled. If Evolution worked correctly, it would offer a better calendar and database importer than Thunderbird. I have come to the conclusion that I |
| 05:15.45 | Okee | will need to write my own database program to properly import database entries from windows. Virtually none of the programs I have seen correctly order the data, and the csv data is all over the place after it is imported. I hear there is a decent importer in one of the database programs offered by the free software foundation. IF I can figure out where it is at, I will download it. |
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| 05:16.47 | Okee | DrakkenWarr> Thanks. I am downloading Netbeans, and will install mate as soon as it is finished. |
| 05:17.14 | DrakkenWarr | no worries. Have you looked @ open directory or Apache directory for your database issues? |
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| 05:19.52 | Okee | where is the download control for IceWeasel? In Windows it is a green arrow pointing down, and to the right of the address bar. I want to open up something I downloaded. |
| 05:20.30 | DrakkenWarr | click the three lines on the right of the browser window |
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| 05:22.06 | Okee | Drakenwarr> I don't see what you mean by three lines? |
| 05:22.37 | DrakkenWarr | are you using iceweasel atm? |
| 05:23.25 | Okee | Not sure what you mean by atm, but it is definitely ice weasel. |
| 05:24.34 | DrakkenWarr | at the moment, so if you are using icewes, if you look to the browser line where you have the back arrows, reload and what not, all the way to the right, just past the start there is a set of three lines. |
| 05:24.38 | DrakkenWarr | click on that |
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| 05:46.33 | Okee | Drakenwarr> I definitely don't have the three lines you are talking about. There should be a hot key command that will also pull up the download screen. I will need to look it up. |
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| 05:57.40 | rkhshm | i installed native debian and i had a 500G HDD that i was using as backup after the installation i located that disk using fdisk and mounted it on /mnt. |
| 05:58.02 | rkhshm | but when i try to copy anything into that disk i get error saying X11 initiazation failed |
| 05:59.53 | Okee | Drakenwarr> I attempted to install MATE, by following the instructions found here --> http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download#debian But it didn't work. I am getting an error message that "Unable to locate package mate-archive-keyring" ACcording to this website, mate is not part of the debian stable repository. It definitely is in the testing group, but not wheezy. |
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| 06:01.07 | Okee | DrakkenWarr is a deserter.......! |
| 06:02.03 | Okee | is MATE officially part of the wheezy package management? |
| 06:02.33 | rww | no, hence it having you add some third-party repository |
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| 06:08.53 | Okee | Can someone help me install MATE for debian stable? I am getting the following error message, after following the instructions found here -->http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download#debian: Unable to locate package mate-desktop-environment. |
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| 06:21.14 | Okee | Is there another name for seamonkey browser in debian? |
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| 06:31.03 | blumoon | anyone available to help? |
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| 06:44.24 | paddy | is it possible that Debian 7.2 is unable to mount the EXT4 filesystems that were created by Ubuntu 12.04 and 13.10? |
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| 06:47.02 | buu | paddy: Highly unlikely. |
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| 06:47.46 | paddy | buu: but! it says "wrong fs-type" and i used "mount -t ext4" and it _is_ an ext4 partition |
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| 06:48.44 | paddy | woah, no :( |
| 06:48.49 | paddy | i am mistaken. sorry!! |
| 06:50.33 | paddy | i let the PM overwrite the existing partitions. oh my gosh. |
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| 06:58.41 | karlpinc | What's the right way to get files on and off a google nexus? It seems the usb port does mtp and ptp.... |
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| 06:59.18 | buu | karlpinc: Electron Scanning Microscope? |
| 06:59.51 | stew | if your options are mtp and ptp, doesn't that always mean you want mtp? |
| 06:59.57 | karlpinc | The docs for mtp-tools are useless. |
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| 07:00.23 | karlpinc | stew: What does mtp? I can't find an mtpfs. |
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| 07:00.33 | karlpinc | (wheezy) |
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| 07:01.29 | jelly-home | ,v mtpfs |
| 07:01.29 | judd | Package: mtpfs on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9-3; sid: 1.1-4.1 |
| 07:01.43 | karlpinc | (Useless to the point of violating policy.) |
| 07:02.05 | stew | !info mtpfs |
| 07:02.05 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Perhaps I'll backport. ? |
| 07:02.05 | dpkg_ | mtpfs: (FUSE filesystem for Media Transfer Protocol devices), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.1-4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 31 kB |
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| 07:02.39 | buu | karlpinc: http://www.androidcentral.com/ics-feature-mtp-what-it-why-use-it-and-how-set-it |
| 07:02.46 | jelly-home | karlpinc: it's been somewhat unreliable for me. go-mtpfs, still unpackaged, is said to have lots of bugs fixed |
| 07:03.55 | karlpinc | Perhaps I'll just dump stuff on a webserver and download it onto the android. Although one at a time is bound to be annoying. |
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| 07:04.16 | buu | ftp! |
| 07:04.28 | karlpinc | buu: ftp bites. Perhaps ssh. |
| 07:04.33 | buu | scp* |
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| 07:05.00 | jelly-home | my chinese android 4.2 phone still has usb-storage in addition to mtp and ptp |
| 07:05.12 | karlpinc | (And damm if I know where to put stuff once I've got access.) |
| 07:05.35 | karlpinc | jelly-home: This is 4.4, the nexus 5. |
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| 07:05.50 | jelly-home | karlpinc: I'd say try backporting libmtp and mtpfs, see whether it works |
| 07:06.14 | karlpinc | jelly-home: libmtp is in wheezy.... |
| 07:06.40 | jelly-home | not the version matching mtpfs, I think |
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| 07:09.59 | karlpinc | jelly-home: I asked judd checkbackport and it said wheezy needed nothing... |
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| 07:11.41 | jelly-home | well then, backport just mtpfs and see how well it works |
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| 07:13.24 | karlpinc | I think I'll try it tomorrow. I'm too stupid right now. |
| 07:13.31 | karlpinc | Thanks for the help. |
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| 07:28.12 | karlpinc | !ssb |
| 07:28.12 | dpkg_ | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 07:39.15 | karlpinc | Can't seem to build a i386 backport on an amd64 box. Oh well. |
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| 07:59.18 | qop | ok... I have a serious thing here... I ran mkfs.ntfs on a drive... that is oounted, and that is mounted to / ! |
| 07:59.31 | grubles | ya goofed |
| 08:00.04 | qop | odd is that the partition number b iitself , that mkfs didnt complain about the partition being mounted, and I am still running this damn thing |
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| 08:01.08 | qop | I'd like to know how on earth my /dev/sdb3 all the sudden changed to sda5 and why mkfs didnt complain about a mounted system... but mostly interested on how the heck to correct this :p |
| 08:01.18 | tnwnsf | i'm having an issue with debian. how do i prevent applications from controlling the master volume ? |
| 08:01.20 | tnwnsf | http://superuser.com/questions/594154/prevent-applications-to-control-master-volume-on-linux |
| 08:01.38 | tnwnsf | that page is an example |
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| 08:05.32 | nonconvergent | What's the preferred method of getting pubkeys? |
| 08:05.37 | nonconvergent | for ssh? |
| 08:05.53 | nonconvergent | ssh-copy-id? |
| 08:06.58 | ninja9k1 | creating or copying? |
| 08:07.12 | nonconvergent | copying |
| 08:07.23 | tnwnsf | umm anyone ? |
| 08:07.47 | nonconvergent | I already have a server setup, but I turned off passwords. |
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| 08:08.19 | ninja9k1 | ssh-copy-id just installs you pubkey into a remote machines authorized_keys file |
| 08:08.25 | ninja9k1 | so if that's what you're trying to do, then yes |
| 08:08.35 | nonconvergent | I have access to the account via another user with sudo. Can I just write it? |
| 08:08.39 | ninja9k1 | sure |
| 08:08.54 | nonconvergent | Every time I add the key manually it seems to complain that the authorized keyfile has changed. |
| 08:08.55 | ninja9k1 | as long as the perms on the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys perms are correct |
| 08:09.06 | ninja9k1 | and if strictperms in your sshd_config is set to yes |
| 08:09.22 | ninja9k1 | .ssh should be 700 and auth_keys should be 600 for perms |
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| 08:12.26 | jjanvier | hi there |
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| 08:12.39 | jjanvier | any recommendation for a laptop to run debian testing ? |
| 08:12.45 | jjanvier | thinkpad are still good ? |
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| 08:13.26 | nonconvergent | jjanvier: why testing? |
| 08:13.46 | nonconvergent | jjanvier: And almost anything will run it. It's a question of your needs. |
| 08:13.50 | jjanvier | nonconvergent: because I always used testing... |
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| 08:14.12 | nonconvergent | jjanvier: why do you always use testing? |
| 08:14.38 | qop | this is so odd |
| 08:14.51 | jjanvier | because it is more stable that a lot of other distros |
| 08:14.58 | jjanvier | and not as old as stable |
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| 08:15.20 | jjanvier | of course it depends for the "not as old as stable" |
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| 08:15.58 | nonconvergent | jjanvier: Eh, not really. Stuff in testing is just what survived sid's quarantine without grave bugs. |
| 08:16.12 | nonconvergent | It does break, though the breaks tend to cluster. |
| 08:16.18 | qop | ^ more stable than most distros |
| 08:16.27 | qop | still |
| 08:16.27 | jjanvier | of course it does break |
| 08:16.39 | jjanvier | still much better than ubuntu and all other stuff |
| 08:16.57 | jjanvier | when I began with debian, testing was not a choice |
| 08:17.11 | jjanvier | I had to use it |
| 08:17.17 | jjanvier | and I kept it... |
| 08:18.07 | qop | guess I'll just leave the pc up until I get a big enough drive to backup / then :\ |
| 08:18.52 | qop | remembers his very very first computer had Debian and he didnt know anyone else using linux... fun, fun times |
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| 08:19.33 | qop | omg that was potato... I'm old |
| 08:19.50 | nonconvergent | jjanvier: That's not very good reason to run testing. |
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| 08:20.20 | qop | his view, his choice nonconvergent |
| 08:20.35 | nonconvergent | In terms of balancing new and stable, treating stable like a rolling release is a recipe for trouble on a design level. |
| 08:20.55 | nonconvergent | s/treating\ stable/treating\ testing/ |
| 08:21.54 | nonconvergent | It's not designed to be that way. It's designed to percolate out of sid till it gets frozen for half a year at least every two years and becomes a new stable release. |
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| 08:23.18 | nonconvergent | qop: One may make a bad choice, just as one may be ignorant of the reasons why. I'm not making any judgements on his character. |
| 08:23.43 | nonconvergent | I'm just sharing a little wisdom I've won by doing things the hard way myself. |
| 08:24.25 | jjanvier | the thing is I'have been running on testing for 7 or 8 years now |
| 08:24.44 | jjanvier | only 1 or 2 big X crashes |
| 08:25.09 | jjanvier | 1 difficult update from kde3.5 to kde4 |
| 08:25.14 | jjanvier | that's all... |
| 08:25.39 | jjanvier | ok, it's not the best I know it |
| 08:25.56 | jjanvier | but updating to every new stable seems to be more shitty to me |
| 08:26.04 | jjanvier | but maybe I'm wrong |
| 08:26.20 | nonconvergent | Not really. |
| 08:26.30 | qop | I am partial to teh "whatever works for you" hilosophy |
| 08:26.31 | nonconvergent | A lot changes between releases. |
| 08:26.44 | qop | and to typo skills |
| 08:27.48 | jjanvier | so for the laptop |
| 08:27.59 | jjanvier | I just want to avoid shitty hardware |
| 08:28.12 | nonconvergent | We're probably looking at the entire RC system being replaced. hal used to be a big part of things and it got replaced. We might see one two or three X Server replacements creep in in the new few years. Certainly the default DE being changed will have an effect. |
| 08:28.24 | qop | so... wtf with my drive... what can turn sda3 into sda5 out of nowhere? o.O I always get crazy stuff |
| 08:28.43 | nonconvergent | qop: hot/cold plugging? |
| 08:29.03 | qop | naw, just ole laptop hd |
| 08:29.16 | nonconvergent | dunno |
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| 08:29.45 | qop | I was going to format /dev/sda5 and ooops... that is mounted to "/" and oops... mkfs.ntfs didnt complain it was mounted and did format it! |
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| 08:30.13 | qop | odd is I am still running as we speak... but blkid already shows the changes |
| 08:30.16 | nonconvergent | haha, I'm sorry to hear that, man |
| 08:30.25 | qop | :\ |
| 08:30.35 | nonconvergent | did you have a good backup? |
| 08:31.05 | qop | yeah... but hell, I hate to reistall stuff |
| 08:31.11 | olti | open a bug report |
| 08:31.24 | nonconvergent | olti: Good advice. |
| 08:31.25 | qop | against what? mkfs? |
| 08:31.35 | olti | well, yes |
| 08:32.40 | nonconvergent | jjanvier: I just absolutely do not recommend Testing for any user who is not in someway contributing. Do you at least write bug reports? |
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| 08:33.21 | nonconvergent | Me, I want things to just work. I get bogged down when I tinker. |
| 08:33.36 | qop | olti: uhm....k... |
| 08:33.46 | jjanvier | nonconvergent: sadly no |
| 08:33.54 | jjanvier | but this is funny |
| 08:34.02 | qop | I still feel like I can fix this without even rebooting :p |
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| 08:34.07 | jjanvier | I tell you I'have been using it for years |
| 08:34.19 | jjanvier | never got big problems |
| 08:34.28 | jjanvier | and still you want me to use stable ^^ |
| 08:34.45 | nonconvergent | qop: You formatted /. You can't fix it. |
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| 08:35.40 | nonconvergent | jjanvier: just because nothing bad has not happened does not mean nothing bad ever will happen. |
| 08:35.59 | nonconvergent | er...has happened. |
| 08:36.04 | nonconvergent | Forgive me, I'm tired. |
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| 08:36.09 | jjanvier | yep, understood |
| 08:36.17 | jjanvier | but I'm not crazy |
| 08:36.30 | qop | nonconvergent: but I'm running it now! |
| 08:36.32 | jjanvier | but I know big changes come, I wait |
| 08:36.54 | jjanvier | but when I know big changes come, I wait* |
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| 08:38.27 | jjanvier | nonconvergent: where can I find the list of packages that are missing maintainers ? |
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| 08:45.52 | Penix | ~tell jjanvier about wnpp |
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| 08:48.09 | jjanvier | Penix: thanks :) |
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| 09:55.44 | pupil | hello, |
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| 09:56.19 | pupil | is there anyone else beside me having problem with dual boot in kernel 3.11?? |
| 09:56.44 | babilen | dpkg_: anyone |
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| 09:57.17 | pupil | i'm sorry, i mean dual screen with kernel 3.11 |
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| 09:58.47 | babilen | dselect: anyone |
| 09:58.48 | dselect | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 09:59.36 | babilen | pupil: We really need more details. I am using that kernel version and have had no problem with dual screen whatsoever. Please accept the fact that our crystal balls are powerful but that we are still not omniscient. |
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| 10:00.21 | pupil | here is the problem: when using kernel 3.11, i can't use dual screen in my laptop |
| 10:00.23 | topi` | helo. using start-stop-daemon should daemonize your service, right? I tried copying skel and editing that to start an edge node (N2N) and it uses start-stop-daeomn of course, but somehow if I start it from command line "/etc/init.d/myn2n start" it does NOT daemonize, but blocks the shell |
| 10:00.32 | topi` | am I doing something wrong? |
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| 10:01.00 | pupil | when i plug in the second monitor, and open display, my laptop monitor suddenly turn off |
| 10:01.03 | babilen | pupil: What happens if you try? Which GPU do you have and which driver do you use? Which release of Debian are you tracking and what is the content of your Xorg log? What have you tried so far to debug the problem? |
| 10:01.10 | topi` | everything else on my system daemonizes, if I just run "/etc/init.d/openvpn start" or something else... |
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| 10:02.16 | babilen | pupil: What do you mean by "open display" ? Is the laptop monitor still shown in "xrandr -q" ? Does that only happen with 3.11 or other kernel versions too? Can you re-enable the laptop screen with xrandr? |
| 10:03.41 | pupil | babilen: i'm using debian 7.3, with laptop using amd 4400, (how to check my gpu??) |
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| 10:03.54 | pupil | i mean display from system setting |
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| 10:04.36 | pupil | after the laptop monitor turn off, it it won't turn on again |
| 10:04.53 | pupil | it does not happen with kernel 3.2 |
| 10:05.07 | babilen | pupil: 7.3 does come with the 3.2 kernel not the 3.11 one. |
| 10:05.19 | topi` | I tried grepping the expected output from the daemon at /var/log/* but nothng appears there... that's why I wonder if the daemon gets started at all. |
| 10:05.21 | pupil | babilen: i backport it |
| 10:05.36 | babilen | pupil: You created the backport or did you install the kernel from backports? |
| 10:06.11 | pupil | i install the kernel from backport |
| 10:07.00 | pupil | the debian still behave like it has 2 screen, it's just that the laptop screen is turn off |
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| 10:08.55 | babilen | pupil: Okay, can you re-enable the screen in with xrandr? Does the same happen if you don't use "display from system setting" (in Gnome?), but xrandr directly? It might also be some misguided attempt at saving energy ... Check your dpms settings and disable it (e.g. "xset -dpms" or "xset dpms force on") |
| 10:09.56 | babilen | pupil: Do you use the radeon driver or the fglrx one? If the former: Do you have firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri installed? If the latter: Does it happen if you use the radeon driver? Why do you need the 3.11 kernel? |
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| 10:12.22 | pupil | babilen: i'm using the radeon driver, those two package are installed, and i'm using the 3.11 just because it is the latest kernel |
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| 10:13.09 | babilen | pupil: In that case I would recommend to report a bug, answer the rest of my questions (in there too) and to use the (tested and working) 3.2 kernel for now. |
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| 10:13.33 | babilen | pupil: But then you have a bunch of questions in the backlog and things to try. |
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| 10:15.33 | pupil | babilen: should i use reportbug to report this?? |
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| 10:15.41 | babilen | Yes, please. |
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| 10:16.08 | pupil | ok, thanks friend |
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| 10:16.47 | babilen | pupil: I would recommend to at least try the few things that I mentioned earlier. |
| 10:18.19 | pupil | unfortunately, i'm at work now, i'll try it when i come home. :) |
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| 10:23.39 | babilen | pupil: Sure, if you figure something out let us know |
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| 10:38.05 | ScottSteiner | I have an AMD A8-3850 APU (Radeon HD 6550D) and can't get OpenGL to work in debian. I have fglrx-driver 13.8~beta1-3 installed through the debian non-free repo. Here's the output of my lspci: http://paste.debian.net/plain/72417 Any ideas on what's going wrong? |
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| 10:43.23 | boodie | Hi: Merry Xmas to all those feeling Xmasy! I have a minor problem: now, while booting, my Wheezy says it can't stat volume /dev/sda7 (press enter to continue). Then, after clicking <enter> everything goes on as normal. What could the problem be? |
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| 10:59.35 | ChrisH | boodie: sda7 still in fstab or refernced in initrd? |
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| 11:01.16 | boodie | Hmmm ... no idea |
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| 11:07.47 | boodie | It seems to be the external USB drive http://paste.debian.net/72446/ |
| 11:08.28 | boodie | Sorry, the swap area! |
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| 11:09.02 | boodie | sda7 is the swap fs ... |
| 11:09.08 | amkamk | dear all, does do we have a non-gnome based nm-applet/applet to interface with network manager? |
| 11:09.41 | pupil | amkamk: kde has it |
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| 11:10.06 | amkamk | pupil, what is the executable? I can't seem to find it, I just installed network-manager-kde |
| 11:10.30 | amkamk | pupil, it wen't okay, but can't figure out what to launch to have an applet |
| 11:10.57 | pupil | start the service: /etc.init.d/NetworkManager start |
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| 11:11.47 | pupil | network manager has a daemon, it will display when the machine start up |
| 11:11.54 | amkamk | pupil, 'already started' |
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| 11:13.57 | pupil | amkamk: what is your DE right now?? |
| 11:14.13 | amkamk | xmonad |
| 11:14.35 | amkamk | but I have a tray container - trayer |
| 11:15.33 | boodie | I have a minor probIem have a minor problem: now, while booting, my Wheezy says it can't stat volume /dev/sda7 (press enter to continue). Then, after clicking <enter> everything goes on as normal. What could the problem be? sda7, according to /etc/fstab, is the swap fs ... |
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| 11:16.49 | pupil | amkamk: sorry, i don't use xmonad, so i can't help much |
| 11:16.54 | amkamk | pupil, should initializing network manager as a service also launch a tray icon? |
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| 11:17.17 | amkamk | or is there a separate executable? |
| 11:17.34 | pupil | amkamk: but i find this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=843341 |
| 11:18.18 | amkamk | pupil, thanks, but installing Network-manager-kde didn't provide me with the executable nm-applet |
| 11:18.30 | amkamk | so I'm left wondering if it's a separate package or renamed in kde |
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| 11:22.50 | pupil | amkamk: do you want to connect to wifi?? if yes, try wicd insted |
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| 11:23.23 | amkamk | pupil, wicd is failing on me when specific routers/encryptions shcemes |
| 11:24.12 | amkamk | pupil, which is according to some forums a bug in wicd |
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| 11:25.35 | pupil | btw, what was your problem? |
| 11:25.49 | pupil | no network manager in xmonad panel? |
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| 11:27.46 | amkamk | nm-applet not provided by network-manager-kde |
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| 11:30.06 | Streusel | Quick question, how do I update pcre? :/ |
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| 11:51.53 | boodie | Hi (Merry XMas); I have a little problem here (Wheezy): whenever I boot, it says it can't stat /dev/sda7. After I press <enter> it resumes the boot process. From /etc/fstab, sda7 is the swap fs. What could be the problem? |
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| 11:52.57 | ujjain_ | -rwsr-xr-x < what number is this in chmod permissions? |
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| 11:53.39 | olti | 4755 |
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| 11:55.02 | pupil | olti: what is 's'? |
| 11:55.12 | xand | setuid |
| 11:55.13 | olti | does /dev/sda7 exist boodie ? maybe you deleted it by mistake |
| 11:55.25 | olti | ^ |
| 11:55.26 | xand | it means the program will run as its owner, not as the user running it |
| 11:55.35 | pupil | thanks xand |
| 11:58.33 | petn-randall | freeroute: it's 'vgchange -ay', nothing else. I'm sorry that I'm only there sporadically, spending xmas time with my family :) |
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| 12:00.49 | mav | boodie: check your partitions on /dev/sda to see if sda7 exists and indeed contains swapspace |
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| 12:03.44 | boodie | fstab: http://pastie.org/8573388 |
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| 12:05.25 | olti | boodie: fdisk -l |
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| 12:06.48 | boodie | http://pastie.org/8573394 |
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| 12:08.32 | boodie | this is the output of "mount" http://pastie.org/8573393 |
| 12:08.35 | olti | boodie: sudo blkid |
| 12:08.40 | olti | or as root |
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| 12:09.59 | boodie | blkid : http://pastie.org/8573398 |
| 12:10.42 | xand | change your fstab to use uuids instead of device names |
| 12:10.47 | xand | because your sda/b have changed |
| 12:11.06 | xand | oh wait it does |
| 12:11.15 | olti | it's ok fstab |
| 12:11.15 | xand | hm |
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| 12:11.24 | olti | probably initramfs |
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| 12:13.20 | olti | boodie: swapon -s |
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| 12:13.45 | boodie | It started after I yesterday bound the external USB drive to act as /var/apt/archives, in order to install 50 updates (not having enough space) |
| 12:14.04 | olti | yes yes, you have inserted a new disk |
| 12:14.25 | xand | I think you need to change grub config perhaps |
| 12:14.38 | xand | can that use something other than device names? |
| 12:14.58 | boodie | shite ... things getting complicated |
| 12:15.25 | olti | does swapon -s display anything boodie? |
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| 12:16.04 | boodie | swapon : http://pastie.org/8573409 |
| 12:16.56 | olti | good |
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| 12:17.18 | olti | and your grub entry? in /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 12:18.53 | boodie | will it now remember? What do you think happened? |
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| 12:19.03 | boodie | Yesterday : http://pastie.org/8573411 |
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| 12:19.36 | boodie | Damn! /boot/grub/grub.cfg = http://pastie.org/8573411 |
| 12:19.40 | olti | something remembers your previous configuration. the system is working ok though so don't worry |
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| 12:20.12 | freeroute | petn-randall: thanks and once again I don't blame you (I would do the same). in ##linux there was a hypothesis that the kernel modules were in the encrypted part of the system. So I'm going to find out the modules which make my kb support possible in the ncurses install environment and then insert them into initramfs. |
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| 12:20.47 | boodie | Ok, many many thanks I might reboot now to see if it remembers |
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| 12:21.09 | petn-randall | freeroute: Hmm, doesn't sound too plausible to me. Even if they are on the encrypted part, I'd expect them to be in the initramfs, too. |
| 12:21.41 | petn-randall | freeroute: But if it is that case, file a bug report against initramfs-tools to add them by default. |
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| 12:22.50 | freeroute | petn-randall: during the netinst process I did specify to include only the 'needed' drivers, so that could be it. I'm going to use this resource to find out exactly which modules are needed for my kb - http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/60078/find-out-which-modules-are-asociated-with-a-usb-device |
| 12:23.08 | freeroute | and afterwards I'm going to insert them into initramfs. Seems like a good idea? |
| 12:24.23 | petn-randall | freeroute: Should be enough to list it in /etc/modules and then just re-generate your initramfs. |
| 12:24.27 | wols | freeroute: what's that supposed to do? linux decides itself what drivers to load, no use for you to choose anyting |
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| 12:25.15 | petn-randall | wols: The hypothesis is that it's not provided in the initramfs, and thus isn't available on startup to get loaded (rootfs is on an encrypted partition) |
| 12:26.13 | freeroute | wols: so basically during the netinst process my kb worked perfectly. But once I finished installing and rebooted into the cryptsetup passphrase prompt my kb stopped working (with the behavior of flashing the numlock LED for every key pressed). |
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| 12:26.48 | freeroute | Now, Grub menu works perfectly, but once I boot into the part where it asks me for the encrypted LVM passphrase I can't type anything. |
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| 12:28.09 | freeroute | Also worthy to note (why I chose to install Debian netinst) was because in the Ubuntu 13.10 netinst ncurses interface I was having the same problem. While in the Grub menu and the main Ubuntu netinst menu (where you choose to Install / Expert Install / CLI install) my kb worked fine. |
| 12:28.49 | freeroute | petn-randall: /etc/modules of what? the netinst environment? |
| 12:30.25 | petn-randall | freeroute: You need to add it to your rootfs of your installation. |
| 12:30.31 | petn-randall | freeroute: Do you know how to chroot into it? |
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| 12:31.32 | freeroute | petn-randall: ah I see. If I'm not mistaken, I should boot into a live environment, mount the encrypted rootfs partition and then regenerate the initramfs there? |
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| 12:32.40 | petn-randall | freeroute: Yes, you need to add the driver into <rootfs>/etc/modules, then run 'update-initramfs -k all -u'. But that'll only work if you chroot into it. |
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| 12:34.27 | freeroute | petn-randall: My understanding of chrooting is basically building a similar thing as BSD jails. But as you can see my knowledge if very limited. I should probably be fine if I just google "how to chroot into directory", right? |
| 12:34.31 | wer_ | Anyone know a method for making a windows 8 bootable usb from linux? |
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| 12:36.15 | babilen | wer_: Ask in ##windows -- AFAIK it is not possible, but that might have changed. Either way it doesn't really have anything to do with Debian. |
| 12:36.29 | freeroute | wer_: https://www.google.nl/search?q=making+windows+8+bootable+usb&oq=making+windows+8+bootable+usb&aqs=chrome..69i57.4545j0j1&client=ubuntu-browser&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=make+windows+8+bootable+usb+from+linux |
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| 12:36.48 | babilen | ugly URL is fugly |
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| 12:37.06 | wer_ | babilen: i only use linux / debian, but need to install windows 8 from usb :) |
| 12:37.23 | freeroute | babilen: I blame Google :p |
| 12:37.27 | babilen | wer_: I don't think you can, but please .. ask ##windows as they should know how to install Windows :) |
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| 12:38.29 | babilen | freeroute: Everything that starts with &aqs is unnecessary |
| 12:38.31 | wer_ | babilen: Do they really know how to do it from linux? :) a well thanks i will do it from a vm machine. |
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| 12:40.02 | freeroute | babilen: ah thanks, wasn't aware of that. What does &aqs actually mean? |
| 12:40.06 | babilen | wer_: Well, I doubt that it is possible *at all* (regardless of which operating system you attempt it on), but please ask about the technical details in ##windows. I'll happily support you with a Debian installation :) |
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| 12:40.18 | erore | I am curious, I install debian from debian-7.2.0-amd64-CD-1 but when I do lsb_release -a, I get Release: 7.3. Why is that? |
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| 12:41.34 | me_ | Hi. Can I use 'apt-cache' to display the distribution / repository of the package found by 'apt-cache search' if I have more then one distribution enabled in 'sources.list'? If so how? |
| 12:41.35 | olti | i don't think they are related erore |
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| 12:42.20 | babilen | freeroute: Oh, it's actually everything (and including) &oq ... Google includes client specific information and whatnot (e.g. long/latitude, user client, language preferences, click tracking, ...) in their calls and most of it is not necessary. But lets take this to #debian-offtopic if you are interested. You might also want to look into extensions like DoNotTrackMeGoogle (for chrom{ium,e}) and so on. |
| 12:42.33 | erore | olti: What do you mean? What I need is 7.2 release. But according to that info it is not (also according to parallel studio which reports unsupported os) |
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| 12:43.01 | freeroute | babilen: oh damn that's a lot of revealing information. Thanks for the heads up! |
| 12:43.10 | babilen | erore: 7.3 is the current <point release> and you have simply installed the current versions of the packages in question (presumably because you either upgraded explicitly after the installation of because you have been connected to the internet during the installation) |
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| 12:44.13 | erore | babilen: So how do I find out which release I am really using? |
| 12:44.16 | WormFood | are there any debian packages for watching 3D movies? |
| 12:44.35 | WormFood | erore, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:44.43 | freeroute | petn-randall: anyway thanks so far, I learned a lot :) |
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| 12:45.04 | erore | WormFood: it says 7.3 anyway... |
| 12:45.10 | me_ | Ok, I found that for example 'apt-get install -s package | grep -i unstable' will give some results. Any other methods ? |
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| 12:47.43 | WormFood | I'd be surprised if nothing supported 3D on Linux...there's gotta be some way to watch these movies I have...I have a 3D capable monitor, and 3D glasses, with the usb thingy to make the glasses sync with the monitor. |
| 12:48.26 | reavengrey | There's software required to make them work? |
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| 12:49.56 | abrotman | WormFood: Bino |
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| 12:50.25 | abrotman | took me 10 seconds on google |
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| 12:50.32 | teraflop | WormFood: 3d capable gpu? |
| 12:50.47 | abrotman | teraflop: would it actually matter? it's not rendered video, right? |
| 12:50.50 | WormFood | doesn't need a 3D capable GPU...but I have one anyways |
| 12:51.21 | teraflop | ok WormFood, abrotman i think afaik |
| 12:51.28 | WormFood | it seems the most common format is "side-by-side", which is double the normal width...left image for the left eye, and right image for the right eye |
| 12:51.32 | teraflop | ok WormFood, abrotman i think _so_ afaik |
| 12:51.43 | abrotman | teraflop: no, you odn't need it |
| 12:51.47 | teraflop | ah ok |
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| 12:52.20 | WormFood | what branch of debian has bino as a package? |
| 12:52.58 | klys | !svgalib |
| 12:53.03 | dpkg | SVGALib is open source, low-level graphics library. Removed from Debian post-Wheezy to resolve bug #666490. http://www.svgalib.org/ |
| 12:53.14 | abrotman | WormFood: packages.debian.org/bino |
| 12:54.28 | WormFood | heh...they have bino for arm cpus |
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| 13:15.40 | petn-randall | freeroute: You're welcome! Feel free to ask if you have more questions, I'll check the backlog every now and then. |
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| 13:19.55 | teraflop | abrotman: just curious the 3d ready is not related with viewing 3d movies? |
| 13:21.00 | abrotman | teraflop: the movies aren't rendered AIUI |
| 13:21.52 | teraflop | uhm, ok thanks for the info |
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| 13:31.40 | klys | hi, I'm using intelfb, which only supports 32bpp. fbset returns "timings 0 0 0 0 0 0 0" presumably because I have an LCD display. vga-out is disabled. svgalib doesn't work when I set modeline "1280x800" 0.0 1280 1280 1280 1280 800 800 800 800. directfb currently only supports up to 24bpp. qemu is also capable of running with SDL_VIDEODEVICE=directfb; though I am thinking it would run faster through vnc. at any rate, I am tryi |
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| 13:32.40 | francogrex | Hi, How can I change the default folder view to list in linux debian (gnome 2.30.2). It always opens as icons and I have to do the view rest for every folder it's annoying |
| 13:33.09 | abrotman | francogrex: which version fo Debian ? |
| 13:33.18 | abrotman | is this a new install? |
| 13:33.31 | francogrex | no it's an older version 6.5.0 ? |
| 13:34.01 | abrotman | is there a reason you haven't upgraded to wheezy yet? |
| 13:34.28 | francogrex | i have 2 PCs, one updated one old with the older version |
| 13:34.42 | francogrex | so is there a way to do the default veiw |
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| 13:34.58 | klys | s/directfb only supports/directvnc only supports/ |
| 13:35.03 | jelly-home | klys: "at any rate, I am tryi [cut off]" |
| 13:35.19 | abrotman | francogrex: google "nautilus default list view" |
| 13:35.33 | klys | trying to run qemu with xtightvncviewer. qemu, while it normally displays dos booting from the virtual floppy image, now displays nothing; not even a cursor. running with directvnc, I cannot keep qemu running past the first time I use chvt. so I would like to use it with the vnc server |
| 13:35.38 | klys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:36.00 | jelly-home | klys: why are you not using X? |
| 13:36.08 | klys | I have X open |
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| 13:36.36 | klys | ...because I don't want to interfere with my browser? |
| 13:36.49 | jelly-home | klys: is that where you're running the vnc client? |
| 13:36.51 | klys | ...and X doesn't respond tgo alt+tab... |
| 13:36.56 | jelly-home | how would it interfere? |
| 13:36.57 | klys | yes |
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| 13:37.36 | klys | just, one of them would get in front and I can't alt+tab... |
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| 13:37.41 | jelly-home | klys: ok. given that your vnc client is running in X, and qemu sets up its own vnc server, what does fb have to do with anything? |
| 13:37.46 | francogrex | a lot of ubuntu bullshit... not many useful links dor debian |
| 13:38.06 | abrotman | francogrex: same nautilus |
| 13:38.13 | klys | I was running qemu with sdl pointing to directvnc on a tty. |
| 13:38.18 | jelly-home | klys: why? |
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| 13:38.24 | klys | thing is, I can't chvt back to the process. |
| 13:38.51 | jelly-home | sounds like you're trying to make things hard for yourself needlessly |
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| 13:39.17 | klys | using x-windows is not the easiest nor only way to run debian |
| 13:39.21 | klys | I use ttys a lot |
| 13:39.25 | jelly-home | pfft |
| 13:39.25 | klys | it doesn't make it hard |
| 13:39.49 | klys | and tty use should be supported behavior |
| 13:39.52 | jelly-home | it's the most common, and the best drivers and acceleration are for X |
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| 13:40.05 | klys | I have X running |
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| 13:40.19 | klys | qemu blanks out on a vnc server |
| 13:40.22 | jelly-home | I suggest giving up on fb and console usage. |
| 13:40.47 | francogrex | ok thanks |
| 13:40.54 | abrotman | francogrex: find the answer? |
| 13:40.55 | jelly-home | klys: fb is still useful on embedded systems, but for x86 it's not worth the trouble |
| 13:40.57 | klys | I'm even buying a new video card atm. because it supports dual framebuffersupport |
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| 13:42.23 | jelly-home | klys: that's all fine and dandy, but when you're intentionally using less exercised code paths, be prepared to do more bug reporting and code fixing yourself |
| 13:42.27 | klys | anyway, I think dosvnc could be recompiled to run with allegro4.2 on the framebuffer at 32bpp. could be my ast option. |
| 13:43.34 | jelly-home | running multiple X servers might be a better option |
| 13:43.42 | klys | isn't there some codebase in the works with gnome trying to replace X anyway |
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| 13:44.16 | abrotman | not with gnome, with many things |
| 13:44.18 | klys | I don't know how to start a second instance of Xorg |
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| 13:44.30 | abrotman | but still not a fb like oyu're trying to use |
| 13:44.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell klys about wayland |
| 13:44.37 | abrotman | dpkg: tell klys about berlin |
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| 13:44.56 | abrotman | pulls one from the history books! |
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| 13:45.06 | jelly-home | klys: "startx -- :1" from the console would be one way |
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| 13:45.43 | jelly-home | gdm / kdm et al. might have support for multiple users or "switching" users |
| 13:46.01 | klys | hmm I don't want to run a display manager |
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| 13:46.08 | klys | thx for the tip |
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| 13:46.53 | jelly-home | has spent a bit of time toying with fb a few years back and decided it wasn't worth the trouble |
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| 13:47.58 | klys | I'm sort of a time capsule from 2007 in a way |
| 13:48.15 | abrotman | back then, people used to figure out things on their own |
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| 13:48.54 | jelly-home | klys: yes, that's about when I realized noone cared about fb and it was always going to be unaccelerated, basic functionality only |
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| 13:49.35 | klys | I was a lot more helpful and responsive to questions on this channel years ago |
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| 13:50.10 | pulegium | hi all! anyone has any ideas why uwsgi packages are not available in testing (jessie)? stable has 1.2.3 and unstable has 1.9, but all uwsgi packages seems to have been removed from testing... |
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| 13:50.32 | dpkg | uwsgi is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=uwsgi |
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| 13:55.40 | klys | jelly-home there is fbdev and directfb. both targets are supported by sdl1.2 and mplayer. wouldn't directdb be accelerated? |
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| 13:56.13 | jelly-home | tias |
| 13:56.18 | klys | also, fbset has +accel and -accel options for modes. |
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| 13:56.53 | jelly-home | most of that is wishful thinking and very basic support for vertical scrolling of characters |
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| 13:57.51 | klys | I can see that the +accel option would be the latter, though I think with directvnc, sdl can still use libGL.so.1 |
| 13:57.59 | jelly-home | when I gave up, directfb was still very buggy and very limited in hw support |
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| 13:58.28 | jelly-home | compared to that, xorg was super-stable and things typically Just Worked |
| 13:58.50 | klys | the X consortium has been around ever since unix. |
| 13:59.21 | klys | in contrast, fbdev is kernels 2.4 and newer |
| 13:59.39 | jelly-home | that means crap all; the point is, intel people (and amd and nouveau to lesser extent) care much more about xorg ddx than about fb |
| 14:00.38 | jelly-home | I'm not going to comment on this any more, opinion stated. |
| 14:00.40 | abrotman | still arguing with him ? |
| 14:00.55 | jelly-home | there's no need to argue |
| 14:01.00 | klys | if you just mean XRANDR is only supported with X, I can see that well, when I think about running X I remember how I was doing it at the time: with a vnc server. then I would exit the vncviewer and chvt from there, without the danger of getting trapped in X again. |
| 14:03.09 | jelly-home | funny how one can't be blinded to the difference between "supported" on paper and "actually works with minimal issues" |
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| 14:04.45 | klys | thx for the tip by the way, now I have qemu running fullscreen and it can (top-left-corner) change resolutions |
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| 14:06.23 | klys | this way (directly on an Xorg server) is slower for graphics though. but it is preferable. |
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| 14:06.45 | jelly-home | also prefers "working" to "not working" |
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| 14:50.39 | pyrobisqit | hey there, how can I install fglrx-driver from sid (the up to date version) in wheezy? |
| 14:51.10 | jelly-home | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 14:51.12 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; jessie/non-free: 1:13.8~beta1-3; sid/non-free: 1:13.8~beta1-3; experimental/non-free: 1:13.11~betav9.4-1 |
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| 14:52.21 | pyrobisqit | I need at least version 13.4 for my card apparently |
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| 14:52.33 | pyrobisqit | can I install it on Wheezy? |
| 14:52.40 | pyrobisqit | without having to download it from AMD's website |
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| 15:00.48 | wols | pyrobisqit: you can backport maybe. or you run jessie |
| 15:00.52 | wols | pyrobisqit: what card is it? |
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| 15:01.01 | wols | !tell pyrobisqit about ssb |
| 15:01.07 | wols | ,depends fglrx-driver sid |
| 15:01.09 | judd | Package fglrx-driver in sid/i386 -- depends: libfglrx (= 1:13.8~beta1-3), xorg-video-abi-14 | xorg-video-abi-13 | xorg-video-abi-12 | xorg-video-abi-11 | xorg-video-abi-10 | xorg-video-abi-8 | xorg-video-abi-6.0, xserver-xorg-core, glx-alternative-fglrx (>= 0.4.1~), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libx11-6, libxext6, libxrandr2, libxrender1, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0. |
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| 15:03.26 | pyrobisqit | wols: It's an R9 270 |
| 15:03.57 | pyrobisqit | wols: wait, is Jessie already released? |
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| 15:05.47 | pyrobisqit | wols: also wtf, what version is this? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/fglrx-driver |
| 15:06.03 | pyrobisqit | 12.3.1? |
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| 15:06.24 | wols | you would need a wheezy-backport, not a squeeze one |
| 15:06.35 | wols | jessie is current debian testing. not released |
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| 15:07.09 | wols | but you have to to a simple sid backport as dpkg messaged you about |
| 15:07.37 | pyrobisqit | wheezy-backport doesn't exist apparently... |
| 15:07.40 | pyrobisqit | for the driver |
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| 15:08.17 | wols | which is why you have to do your own |
| 15:09.27 | dvs | pyrobisqit: wheezy-backports |
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| 15:09.38 | pyrobisqit | wols: I thought it would be as simple as just apt-get install fglrx-driver with some extra options, or some sources.list tweaking... do you recommend me doing my own backport or installing from AMD's website |
| 15:09.58 | pyrobisqit | ? |
| 15:10.06 | wols | I stronlgy suggest you do a backport. we do not support amd.com drivers in any way |
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| 15:10.29 | pyrobisqit | dvs: sorry, what was that? |
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| 15:11.03 | dvs | <pyrobisqit> wheezy-backport doesn't exist apparently... It's "wheezy-backports" |
| 15:11.25 | pyrobisqit | dvs: ok then, i'll check |
| 15:12.13 | pyrobisqit | nope, nothing |
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| 15:29.53 | Mitizaro | Hello. I want to create a bootable USB installation of Linux Mint 16. I have 16gb SOny USB flash, and a Debian 7.3 from which i operate. How can i do that please?? |
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| 15:30.47 | abrotman | Mitizaro: the Mint instatllion guide should cover this |
| 15:31.05 | Mitizaro | well yes but i'm usure how to find a DEBIAN usb creator program |
| 15:31.09 | abrotman | Mitizaro: the Mint instatllion guide should cover this |
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| 15:31.18 | abrotman | perhaps you sohuld ask the Mint support folks |
| 15:31.24 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Mitizaro about mint |
| 15:31.32 | Mitizaro | there are all well guides for Windows installation and if i have the mint dvd... however i have NO dvds available |
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| 15:32.03 | abrotman | Mitizaro: #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org, good luck |
| 15:32.47 | Mitizaro | thank you |
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| 15:33.07 | Mitizaro | although my question is in YOU juristiction.. i have debian 7.3 FROM WHCIH i want to create it... but anyway thanks |
| 15:33.36 | abrotman | no, actually, it's not |
| 15:33.57 | abrotman | Just like we can't tell you how to prepare a Windows installer or FreeBSD installer, we can't tell you how to prepare the Mint installation either |
| 15:33.58 | Mitizaro | and why is that? |
| 15:34.18 | mtn | Mitizaro: don't be shy, come to the mint channel and I will help you |
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| 15:34.20 | Mitizaro | but you can tell me which app i can put on DEBIAN so i can generally make usb bootable |
| 15:34.26 | Mitizaro | ok |
| 15:34.27 | Mitizaro | its just |
| 15:34.32 | Mitizaro | i alrady typed and no answers :/ |
| 15:34.33 | abrotman | Mitizaro: no, i can't, i don't know a damn thing about thier ISOs |
| 15:34.38 | jelly-home | Mitizaro: well, hopefully they will have instructions on how to do it on any Linux. It might be as easy as cp foo.iso /dev/sdk |
| 15:34.55 | pyrobisqit | how do I check for a package version before apt-get installing it? |
| 15:35.06 | abrotman | pyrobisqit: apt-cache policy |
| 15:35.08 | jelly-home | pyrobisqit: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 15:35.31 | pyrobisqit | ty both |
| 15:35.44 | mtn | Mitizaro: really? you didn't even read the link they gave you? <abrotman> Mitizaro: #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org, good luck |
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| 15:36.06 | Mitizaro | linuxmint-help has.... 3 people |
| 15:36.14 | abrotman | no, he didn't read it |
| 15:36.27 | mtn | Mitizaro: no, it has many more. go to the correct server. |
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| 15:37.19 | Mitizaro | i see |
| 15:37.21 | Mitizaro | thank you |
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| 15:37.30 | mtn | heh |
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| 15:44.14 | pyrobisqit | how can I tell what apt-get -b source fglrx-driver will install? as in what version |
| 15:44.29 | dvs | pyrobisqit: you already got that answer |
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| 15:45.46 | Vanfanel | HI, I'm trying to build a program that uses the getfd() function. However, I get: undefined reference to `getfd' |
| 15:46.09 | Vanfanel | what -l option should I pass to gcc to build this program with getfd() function call?? |
| 15:46.12 | Vanfanel | thanks |
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| 15:46.43 | dvs | Vanfanel: looks like -lfui |
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| 15:48.04 | Vanfanel | dvs: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lfui |
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| 15:48.16 | abrotman | Vanfanel: did you install the pacdkage? |
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| 15:48.33 | dvs | Vanfanel: I can't find libfui in Debian. |
| 15:48.46 | Vanfanel | abrotman: what package?? |
| 15:48.47 | dvs | I see references to Solaris though. |
| 15:49.35 | Vanfanel | If I get kbd-1.15.5 sources, it can build chvt fine, wich uses getfd() |
| 15:49.59 | Vanfanel | so, in theory, everything needed to build something with getfd() is already in my system |
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| 15:50.22 | Vanfanel | I just can't find where this getfd() function is defined |
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| 15:51.04 | antithesis_ | What's the difference between netinst and netboot installation images? |
| 15:51.25 | abrotman | antithesis_: netboot *requires* the internet, netinst doe snot |
| 15:51.40 | abrotman | or requires a working network anyway |
| 15:52.10 | antithesis_ | abrotman what does the netinst one include, then? What can you do with it if you don't have an internet connection? |
| 15:52.43 | antithesis_ | Also, why is the Testing LXDE iso bigger than the KDE one? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:52.59 | abrotman | antithesis_: if you use the netinst and don't have access to a mirror, you get a base CLI system |
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| 15:53.57 | abrotman | antithesis_: I'd guess LXDE has some Gnome bits as well |
| 15:53.59 | xand | antithesis_: netboot you would boot the pc from the network, netinst you boot from cd/dvd/usb |
| 15:54.31 | abrotman | did they stop making the bizcard? |
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| 16:02.36 | Okee | how do I change the scrollback buffer for the command line, so that it will scrollback a lot further? |
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| 16:03.42 | jelly-home | Okee: the buffer is a property of the terminal emulator you're using (or linux console or screen or tmux) |
| 16:05.15 | Okee | jelly-Home>is the terminal emulator adjustable? And if so, where is the control? |
| 16:05.36 | jelly-home | Okee: which one are you using? |
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| 16:06.10 | Okee | jelly-home> I am not sure. It is the default one that came with debian stable. |
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| 16:06.38 | jelly-home | gnome terminal, probably. It ought to be in its configuration settings. |
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| 16:07.22 | Okee | Since aptana studio and oxygen are not in the repository, I thought I would go ahead and download some xml utilities. Oxygen is one of those programs that I will miss with debbie stable, but I guess I could run it in emulation mode with linuxmint. |
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| 16:35.29 | Okee | Is there a way to install more than one utility, with just one apt-get command, at the command line? Just curious if there are short cuts. I tried using commas, and it couldn't find the software, so I assume my syntax is wrong. |
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| 16:36.52 | nse | Okee: separate different utilities with a blank space |
| 16:37.15 | Okee | nse> Thanks. |
| 16:37.43 | Okee | nse> Thanks for everyone's patience. Windows stole my childhood, so I didn't get a proper computing education. |
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| 16:38.14 | nse | Okee: well, feel free to ask anything |
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| 16:40.00 | anoob | how do i request a package (and add it here: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested) ? |
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| 16:45.48 | Okee | Hmmm. I tried placing a space between the different packages, and it was read in, but nothing installed. I only received an error message for two packages that were mistyped. So I am wondering if an error on one typo causes the entire installation to be aborted? If so, then the installer isn't smart enough. |
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| 16:46.07 | wols | apt-get install package1 package2 |
| 16:46.24 | wols | no one typo only affecta that package, nothing else |
| 16:46.40 | wols | !tell Okee about errors |
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| 16:46.59 | Okee | wols> strange. nothing installed in sequence. |
| 16:47.45 | wols | Okee: if you want help you need to give us the command you used and its full output |
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| 16:49.03 | Okee | wols> sudo apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 pk3 pk4 pk5 pk6 Unable to locate package pk5 pk6 This is only an example, since the total number of packages is at least twice as long as this, and it is a lot of typing. |
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| 16:50.08 | wols | Okee: exact command you actually used and its full output. otherwise: no help possible |
| 16:50.53 | Vanfanel | Hi there, I can stop text console cursor blinking by doing: echo -e '\033[?17;0;0c'. So, how can I do the same thing from a program? For example, sending a command to a tty. |
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| 16:52.36 | ksuhku | https://stallman.org/grav-mass.html |
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| 16:57.02 | Elirips | Hello. During boot I see that (very early) it fails to load some firmware that is atheros related. But where can I see that message in full? Do I need to take a picture using a digital camera during boot? |
| 16:57.17 | Elirips | (and I have troubles with my wifi, so maybe that firmware would help) |
| 16:57.20 | petn-randall | Elirips: It should be in /var/log/boot.log |
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| 16:57.30 | Elirips | petn-randall: thank you |
| 16:57.51 | petn-randall | Elirips: If not, install bootlogd. But I guess you're just missing the firmware, which you can install. It's one of the firmware-* packages. |
| 16:57.58 | Okee | wols> This is the results of my attempt at installing multiple packages with just one command at the command line: http://pastebin.com/KiD120d9 |
| 16:58.07 | Elirips | yes, I'm missing bootlogd |
| 16:58.09 | Elirips | I'll install that anyway |
| 16:58.28 | Elirips | I had the firmware installed long time ago using aptitude and some non-free sources.. |
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| 16:59.59 | petn-randall | Elirips: the debian non-free repository should be enough. |
| 16:59.59 | Elirips | A question about firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-linux-free: Do they not include all the firmware-* packages? |
| 17:00.26 | petn-randall | Elirips: you can check that with 'apt-cache show firmware-linux-nonfree' |
| 17:00.28 | Elirips | I really dont have firmware-atheros, I thoug that firmware-non-free would include those |
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| 17:02.15 | Elirips | Hm, I have a 'AR9462' which should not need any aditional firmware. |
| 17:02.22 | Elirips | okay, lets reboot and examine that message |
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| 17:03.16 | wols | Okee: so the stuff that doesn't exist errors, and all the rest just installes |
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| 17:05.06 | Okee | wols> No nothing installed. I did figure out what the correct spellings are of the two error packages -- in one case it was one letter mistyped. In the other case it was two packages run together with no spaces. I will report back after I install the whole line without these errors. I was looking for xml utilities, that would replace Oxygen, a proprietary program. |
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| 17:07.04 | HellMind | dpkg tell HellMind about aptitude clone |
| 17:08.32 | ksuhku | HellMind, you can also /m dpkg whatever |
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| 17:10.58 | Okee | dpkg & wols> Exact error message was located in the following patebin: http://pastebin.com/KiD120d9 What I discovered was that if one package is misspelled, then none of the other packages would install. There may be a bash command for ignoring this, but I am not sufficiently experienced to know what that is without doing some additional research. I was able to get apt-get to install the whole series of packages after the two misspelle |
| 17:10.58 | dpkg | that's too long, Okee |
| 17:10.58 | Okee | d packages were corrected. |
| 17:11.08 | Okee | dpkg> What is too long |
| 17:11.09 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Okee |
| 17:11.31 | LtL | Okee: dpkg is a bot |
| 17:12.25 | Okee | dpkg> You need to take some vitamins. You are suffering from malnutrition |
| 17:12.26 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 17:24.41 | Okee | how do I remove gedit icon from the desktop? The program is uninstalled, but continues to show up in the top taskbar? |
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| 17:27.15 | mtn | Okee: paste a screenprint to imgur.com and give us the link |
| 17:27.29 | mtn | hates guessing |
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| 17:32.32 | pyrobisqit | when trying to install latest AMD drivers (backporting), it complains about dependencies, why? |
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| 17:35.57 | Okee | mtn> The screenshot is located here: http://imgur.com/nKZGfA7 The icon link for gedit is in the upper left hand corner, directly adjacent and left of the XChat icon. Although gedit is not installed, the icon continues to persist, and doesn't respond to mouse commands for removal. Also, I would like Leafpad to be the default notepad instead of gedit. |
| 17:37.39 | mtn | Okee: is this mate? don't think debian supports that and I don't know it at all. |
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| 17:38.30 | Okee | mtn> No this is gnome3. I wish I could install MATE, but don't think it is in the repository. |
| 17:38.49 | Okee | mtn> I am using regular gnome, and not gnome legacy. |
| 17:39.09 | mtn | Okee: must be in fallback mode or something, sure doesn't look like gnome3. have you tried logging out and back? |
| 17:39.24 | Okee | mtn> Hold on, and I will try. |
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| 17:43.16 | ZenWalke1 | hi |
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| 18:21.49 | tnwnsf | i'm having an issue with debian. how do i prevent applications from controlling the master volume ? for example, http://superuser.com/questions/594154/prevent-applications-to-control-master-volume-on-linux. VLC consistently controls the master volume how do i fix it ? |
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| 18:22.40 | webuser78 | Hello, does any-one encounter this error? It happens only when 'Automatically connect to VPN...' option is enabled. Other than that I have no problems manually connecting my VPN. |
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| 19:08.15 | Walex | dpalacio: I think that GLX acceleration is only supported on one "screen" in most X server versions. |
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| 19:08.46 | Walex | dpalacio: but I am very surprised that the Intel X driver supports operation with two cards. |
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| 19:43.50 | dpalacio | Walex: Surprisingly it works very well. kms switching from/to console and running intel driver on X. But GLX is not available for the Intel screen. I would like there to be a way to enable GLX on both. |
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| 19:45.51 | Okee | Is it safe to run mate in debian stable? |
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| 20:05.22 | Bahman_Dool | I want to download a file with my browser from my debian vps. how can I do it? do I have to manage a web server? how? |
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| 20:07.24 | Walex | dpalacio: the surprise is that the Intel drivers only support RANDR, and RANDR does not usually support multiple cards. But perhaps your case is that you have two cards with two different drivers. |
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| 20:07.49 | Walex | Bahman_Dool: why with your web browser? |
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| 20:09.11 | recan | hi every one |
| 20:10.34 | Bahman_Dool | Walex, what else? |
| 20:10.43 | recan | howto add linuxmint repos to Debian |
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| 20:11.16 | dpalacio | I know what you mean. RandR does not work properly, for me, without a xorg.conf ServerLayout |
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| 20:11.42 | Walex | Bahman_Dool: you can use the file browser of your desktop environment to access those files over SSH, using the 'fish' protocol. Or use various GUI frontends to RSYNC, also over SSH. |
| 20:11.49 | ctmjr | recan: you don't |
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| 20:13.14 | recan | I meant linux mint debian edition |
| 20:14.01 | Bahman_Dool | I want to download a file with my browser from my debian vps. how can I do it? do I have to manage a web server? how? |
| 20:15.07 | ctmjr | recan: what you ask is not supported here |
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| 20:15.19 | recan | sorry |
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| 20:17.55 | balleyne | Bahman_Dool: if you want to use your web browser to download a file from your server, you'll need to run a web server |
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| 20:18.51 | linuxuz3r | can he use wget6 |
| 20:18.54 | linuxuz3r | can he use wget |
| 20:19.09 | ghost75 | i was doing an upgrade now grub is complaining it cannot write to md0, it asks me to continue - what should i do? |
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| 20:20.04 | Bahman_Dool | balleyne, where is apache www directory located by default? |
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| 20:20.28 | balleyne | Bahman_Dool: /var/www/ |
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| 20:22.12 | balleyne | Bahman_Dool, you can see /usr/share/doc/apache2 for more information on the apache2 package, e.g. /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
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| 20:28.20 | ghost75 | grub has to be on md0 (root) or is it ok when its on sda sdb .. ? |
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| 20:29.06 | mtn | ghost75: if you want the computer to boot after install the grub should be written to sda, most likely |
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| 20:29.26 | ghost75 | why the upgrade tried to install grub on md0 ? |
| 20:29.35 | mtn | ghost75: what is md0? |
| 20:29.52 | ghost75 | root partition with boot folder on it |
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| 20:30.17 | mtn | ghost75: what partitioning scheme are you using? do you have uefi, either? |
| 20:30.21 | Okee | Does someone know of an image mapper for debian? |
| 20:30.35 | ghost75 | no uefi |
| 20:30.47 | ghost75 | standard partitons with ext3 |
| 20:31.22 | mtn | ghost75: then I don't know why you have anything like md0. never have seen that. I always install to the mbr of my first drive. |
| 20:33.30 | ghost75 | of course i a raid |
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| 20:33.43 | ghost75 | +have |
| 20:33.57 | mtn | ghost75: ah, well I don't know raid. someone else will have to help if sda won't work for you. |
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| 20:36.17 | ScottSteiner | I have an AMD A8-3850 APU (Radeon HD 6550D) and can't get OpenGL to work in debian. I have fglrx-driver 13.8~beta1-3 installed through the debian non-free repo. Here's the output of my lspci: http://paste.debian.net/plain/72417 Any ideas on what's going wrong? |
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| 20:43.33 | donvito | will anyone tell me please whats the minimum system requirments for debian 7.3 ? |
| 20:44.21 | donvito | i have 1gb ram 3.0 ghz intel penitum processor and 160 gb harddrive |
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| 20:48.29 | Yabei | donvito: it should run fine. |
| 20:48.57 | donvito | !download |
| 20:48.58 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 20:52.08 | donvito | wich image should i use ? |
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| 20:53.07 | reavengrey | whichever flatters you the most |
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| 20:54.41 | vol4ko | donvito: better go with 32bit package |
| 20:55.22 | donvito | i386 right? |
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| 21:14.43 | SMB294 | would someone please explain what security updates are in debian, their importance, what what not getting them if i used testing as opposed to stable would mean? what kind of security exactly? |
| 21:15.40 | rww | security updates are updates to packages that fix security vulnerabilities. they are important to stop your computer from being compromised by bad people. if you don't get them, then those security vulnerabilities are not fixed. details on recent fixes are available for your purview at http://www.debian.org/security/#DSAS if you'd like examples |
| 21:15.42 | dvs | SMB294: Security updates are made against vulerabilities against software packages. |
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| 21:16.34 | SMB294 | thanks for the info a link |
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| 21:17.37 | SMB294 | so if i use the stable line but use pinning to get a newer thunar, would that only mean the thunar package would not get security updates if there are any, or would it compromise my entire system? |
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| 21:18.01 | dvs | ,v thunar |
| 21:18.02 | judd | Package: thunar on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.2-1+b2; wheezy: 1.2.3-4+b1; jessie: 1.6.3-1; sid: 1.6.3-1 |
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| 21:18.57 | ghost75 | somebody has an idea how to make a usb disk with ntfs faster than 2,5mb/s ? |
| 21:19.01 | SMB294 | i have the wheezy-backports in my sources.list but its version of thunar is the same as in stable |
| 21:19.23 | dvs | !tell SMB294 about ssb |
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| 21:19.42 | ghost75 | i tried mount options async,big_write |
| 21:20.13 | ghost75 | the problem is that usb is only using write through caching |
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| 21:21.11 | SMB294 | so the answer to my question above was only thunar would be vulnerable, right? |
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| 21:22.11 | mtn | SMB294: that is too simplistic. software runs on your computer, so may open a window to the computer if insecure. |
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| 21:22.19 | dvs | SMB294: If you try to install thunar from sid, you'll probably end up getting libraries from sid |
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| 21:23.33 | SMB294 | the version i want is in testing but not wheezy-backports unfortunately |
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| 21:23.43 | SMB294 | it just seems like thunar 1.23 is old at this point. but it does the job i guess |
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| 21:27.27 | bytefire | im a complete newbie to debian. the cd download section shows many iso files. do i need to download all of them in order to install it? |
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| 21:27.41 | peterrooney | bytefire: No. |
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| 21:28.25 | peterrooney | bytefire: If you have a solid internet connectiion, the netinstall is preferred - small, and only downloads packages you install |
| 21:29.07 | peterrooney | bytefire: if not, DVD 1 contains about 95% of what 95% of users want. |
| 21:29.33 | SMB294 | and 5% of what 5% of users want |
| 21:29.50 | bytefire | peterrooney: thanks. can i use cd1? i want it on usb |
| 21:29.57 | peterrooney | Please someone tell me why a machine with load 0.12, 0.39, 0.20 , zero swap space used, cannot play mp3 files in xine without skipping, and what I can do to stop it. |
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| 21:30.07 | wols | bytefire: yes, CD1 is fine |
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| 21:30.28 | bytefire | thanks! this room is fantastic |
| 21:30.31 | SMB294 | what the difference between cd1 and dvd1, more stuff? |
| 21:30.32 | wols | peterrooney: get a faster cpu. that i80386 isn't state of the art anymore :P |
| 21:30.39 | wols | SMB294: yes |
| 21:30.51 | dvs | bytefire: but the netinstall iso is still preferred |
| 21:30.52 | wols | SMB294: 16 CDs for debian vs. 4 dvds or such |
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| 21:31.14 | peterrooney | wols: Hush. 3.3 GHz i3 quadcore. |
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| 21:31.30 | wols | there are no i3 quady. liar :P |
| 21:31.33 | wols | *quads |
| 21:31.45 | buu | I was going to say |
| 21:31.52 | wols | peterrooney: other mp3 players are fine? |
| 21:31.56 | buu | peterrooney: Presumably its something to do with your audio subsystem |
| 21:32.03 | bytefire | dvs: let me read up on net install. but wondering... how do you net install on a brand new laptop |
| 21:32.04 | peterrooney | whatever, gnome-system-monitor shows 4 CPUS, am I misunderstanding? |
| 21:32.12 | rww | yes, it's dual core with hyperthreading |
| 21:32.14 | peterrooney | wols: vlc, mpg123 same results |
| 21:32.36 | wols | then I'd say the same as buu |
| 21:32.38 | dvs | bytefire: By using the network connection, preferably ethernet. |
| 21:32.39 | buu | bytefire: The usual way? insert install media, run installer, press enter a bunch |
| 21:33.11 | buu | Its so weird not saying "install cd" any more |
| 21:33.19 | mtn | bytefire: you might need firmware to do a wireless install. if so type this here in the chat: /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 21:33.48 | jerichowasahoax | What's the name of the default console font Debian uses? |
| 21:34.08 | bytefire | mtn: firmware and all is a bit too much for me atm... a lot of learning to do |
| 21:34.10 | dvs | dahs? |
| 21:34.18 | dvs | dash too! |
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| 21:34.48 | dvs | bytefire: you may need it if you want to use wireless networking. |
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| 21:37.35 | kikimeter | hi |
| 21:37.51 | nonconvergent | yo |
| 21:37.52 | SMB294 | anyone know a good GUI system/process monitor? |
| 21:38.00 | kikimeter | i'm new on debian, and i don't understand why there is no python install on my server |
| 21:38.11 | bytefire | dvs: i have ubuntu installed on that machine. guess i can use that for net install |
| 21:38.19 | nonconvergent | SMB294: GUI ones are #$%@ |
| 21:38.22 | kikimeter | python |
| 21:38.22 | kikimeter | -bash: python: command not found |
| 21:39.02 | jerichowasahoax | kikimeter: does "aptitude show python" say it's installed |
| 21:39.17 | dvs | bytefire: You don't need another OS for a netinstall (well, except to create the USB image) |
| 21:39.49 | mtn | SMB294: most desktops come with them already. normally called something like system monitor |
| 21:39.58 | nonconvergent | SMB294: check out htop |
| 21:40.14 | peterrooney | buu: but _what_ with my sound subsystem? |
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| 21:40.20 | nonconvergent | SMB294: ncurses based interactive top |
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| 21:41.12 | bytefire | dvs: i already have ubuntu on that machine. so might as well use it to do a net install. would that be a problem? |
| 21:41.17 | buu | kikimeter: Why would you think it has python? |
| 21:41.21 | kikimeter | jerichowasahoax I don't think so |
| 21:41.25 | buu | bytefire: Yes? ubuntu doesn't install operating systems |
| 21:41.41 | kikimeter | buy I think debian came with python 2.7 and 3.2 |
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| 21:41.52 | buu | kikimeter: debian "comes" with very, very little. |
| 21:41.55 | buu | kikimeter: That's the point. |
| 21:42.04 | buu | peterrooney: What sound server are you using? |
| 21:42.19 | bytefire | buu: lol, perhaps a stupid question. thanks |
| 21:42.19 | kikimeter | so debian can work without any python in it ? |
| 21:42.29 | buu | of course |
| 21:42.35 | dpalacio | kikimeter: try on shell ptyhon2.7 |
| 21:43.06 | dpalacio | python2.7 |
| 21:43.11 | peterrooney | buu: ALSA |
| 21:43.12 | bytefire | is there a guide to perform net install using the firmware |
| 21:43.39 | Hassen | feels happy with debian. |
| 21:43.42 | dvs | bytefire: There is a special image with firmware on it. dpkg should have sent you a messages |
| 21:43.42 | kikimeter | root@sven:/usr/bin# python2.7 |
| 21:43.43 | kikimeter | -bash: python2.7: command not found |
| 21:43.45 | buu | bytefire: Do you have an ethernet port? |
| 21:43.47 | kikimeter | root@sven:/usr/bin# python27 |
| 21:43.48 | kikimeter | -bash: python27: command not found |
| 21:43.48 | kikimeter | root@sven:/usr/bin# python |
| 21:43.49 | kikimeter | -bash: python: command not found |
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| 21:44.09 | bytefire | buu: yes |
| 21:44.10 | kikimeter | buu is right |
| 21:44.13 | buu | kikimeter: Christ, jsut install python already and leave us alone |
| 21:44.22 | kikimeter | I dont know debian well |
| 21:44.31 | kikimeter | yes I will |
| 21:44.35 | buu | bytefire: Download netinstall iso. Install to usb. Plug in usb. Plug in ethernet cord. Reboot. |
| 21:44.37 | kikimeter | it was just for my comprehension |
| 21:44.46 | kikimeter | thank you buu |
| 21:45.15 | bytefire | buu: nice one! |
| 21:45.39 | bytefire | this room is great. im humbled |
| 21:45.41 | dvs | bytefire: even better: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
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| 21:46.30 | bytefire | cheers dvs... |
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| 21:47.59 | donvito | whats the default desktop when i install fresh debian 7.3? |
| 21:48.12 | SMB294 | i have htop. i was wondering if there's a good GUI one but i guess not. i use openbox so it doesn't come with one by default |
| 21:48.15 | dvs | donvito: GNOME 3 |
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| 21:48.52 | Hassen | doh..i'm getting troubles writing my codes in vi |
| 21:48.55 | mtn | donvito: you can choose others during install, though |
| 21:48.59 | Hassen | the cursor is annoying |
| 21:49.09 | donvito | i dont have very good graphic card, its old what to chose? |
| 21:49.20 | donvito | i need some classic one |
| 21:49.34 | dvs | donvito: xfce is good and it's recent. |
| 21:49.35 | SMB294 | you could try a windows manager, donvito |
| 21:49.41 | mtn | donvito: xfce might work well for you |
| 21:49.46 | buu | donvito: ratpoison |
| 21:49.56 | Hassen | once i write "vi file.py" : i type i at the beginning,but yet the cursor is annoyingly acting weird |
| 21:49.57 | mtn | snort |
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| 21:50.15 | nonconvergent | Who's recommending ratpoison for what? |
| 21:50.17 | Hassen | isn't 'i' supposed to turn the editor to insert mode? |
| 21:50.29 | peterrooney | buu: this is happening even when I apply "nice -20 $(pidof xine); ionice -c 1 -p $(pidof xine)" just to be sure. |
| 21:50.32 | SMB294 | i could never get into CLI text editing and programing. i use geany |
| 21:50.49 | buu | peterrooney: Yes, I don't think its a cpu issue |
| 21:51.06 | buu | nonconvergent: I recommend ratpoison for everything. |
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| 21:51.20 | buu | Hassen: Yes, that's what i does, assuming you're in execute mode. |
| 21:51.24 | buu | er, command |
| 21:51.31 | donvito | so i can chose xfce when im installing debian ? |
| 21:51.36 | Hassen | i prefer to stay in-touch with the terminal to keep learning fast :) |
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| 21:51.45 | nonconvergent | SMB294: It gets pretty fast eventually, but it's one of those things that takes some time to get used to. |
| 21:51.50 | mtn | donvito: in first menu choose advanced install, I think it is called |
| 21:51.58 | dvs | donvito: You can or you can choose an XFCE CD 1 |
| 21:52.26 | nonconvergent | donvito: Which iso did you get? |
| 21:52.48 | nonconvergent | donvito: do what mtn said for most of them. |
| 21:52.56 | Hassen | buu, but when i press backspace to delete the non-desired letters the cursor just moves back,like an arrow key-presses |
| 21:53.00 | SMB294 | nonconvergent: a mouse just seems to make text editing so much easier, though |
| 21:53.05 | buu | Hassen: try using vim instead |
| 21:53.08 | donvito | i got i386 dvd1 |
| 21:53.20 | nonconvergent | Hassen: What are you using? |
| 21:53.25 | buu | nonconvergent: vi |
| 21:53.48 | Hassen | nonconvergent, vi at debian wheezy |
| 21:54.10 | Hassen | buu, bash: vim: command not found, should i get an update for that? |
| 21:54.11 | nonconvergent | Hassen: It's vim. It's just aliased to vim. |
| 21:54.24 | nonconvergent | Hassen: wait, what? |
| 21:54.34 | buu | Hassen: I'd suggest installing it, yes. |
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| 21:54.59 | nonconvergent | Hassen: apt-get remove vi and/or vim-tiny |
| 21:55.31 | Hassen | so it doesn't come by default with debian |
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| 21:55.41 | nonconvergent | Hassen: vim-tiny does |
| 21:56.07 | nonconvergent | It'sa smaller package without bells and whistles, but if you have a machine built in the last decade and a half you can probably push it |
| 21:56.17 | nonconvergent | I'd wager a lot of embedded systems could still handle full vim. |
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| 21:57.44 | nonconvergent | but you'll need the vim package, not vim-tiny. After that, you need to do one more thing to make backspace work right. ":set nocp" from command mode |
| 21:57.45 | Hassen | ah..i got nano already, thanks anyway |
| 21:57.59 | Hassen | nonconvergent, apt-get remove vi isn't working |
| 21:58.03 | Hassen | coldn't locate package |
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| 21:58.11 | Hassen | couldn't* |
| 21:58.20 | nonconvergent | Hassen: because there isn't a vi package. I bet it's just vim-tiny |
| 21:58.24 | nonconvergent | vim-tiny is the default |
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| 21:59.15 | nonconvergent | You can also put the line "set nocompatible" into a file ~/.vimrc |
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| 22:00.10 | Hassen | after removing vim-tiny,what should I do?get an update where a newer vi editor comes up? |
| 22:00.26 | Hassen | nonconvergent, sorry i'f i'm getting you slowly |
| 22:00.28 | nonconvergent | Hassen: apt-get install vim |
| 22:00.37 | nonconvergent | It's cool. |
| 22:00.44 | Hassen | my concentration is awful currently |
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| 22:01.27 | donvito | is it possible to have debian server with xfce x? |
| 22:01.28 | Hassen | 24.7 MB for the vi editor ? :o |
| 22:01.36 | Hassen | it's not even graphical,how come? |
| 22:01.39 | nonconvergent | donvito: yes |
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| 22:01.53 | nonconvergent | Hassen: libs. ANd it's vim, not vi |
| 22:02.02 | nonconvergent | There's a lot of power there. |
| 22:02.31 | nonconvergent | I'm probably 180% faster in vim than I am in a regular editor and I'm terrible at it. |
| 22:02.37 | Hassen | that seems interesting,it should get the syntax of all prog languages then |
| 22:02.40 | donvito | nonconvergent can i use my wifi network card too ? |
| 22:02.58 | nonconvergent | donvito: use what? |
| 22:03.06 | donvito | i have wifi network card |
| 22:03.10 | donvito | instead of lan card |
| 22:03.38 | donvito | so can i use debianserver+xfce+wifi network card to connect to internet |
| 22:03.42 | buu | donvito: Yes? These are unrelated concepts |
| 22:03.48 | nonconvergent | donvito: with debian? sure. You might get into an issue with non-free firmware during the install, but if that happens, can you hook up to a ethernet. |
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| 22:04.28 | nonconvergent | Hassen: I get the ones I use, but others I grab from their gits via a plugin called Vundle. |
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| 22:05.31 | nonconvergent | https://github.com/nonconvergent/dotfiles This is how I manage my vim setup across machines. It's a little out of date at the moment. |
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| 22:06.42 | donvito | !download |
| 22:06.43 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 22:06.52 | nonconvergent | Hassen: I'd also get a gvim, but you'll need to pick vim-gtk, vim-gnome, or vim-athena (no one uses athena, so pick gnome if you use gnome otherwise gtk) |
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| 22:07.44 | donvito | were can i get cd1 of 7.3 with xfce only ? |
| 22:07.44 | nonconvergent | donvito: You can msg dpkg directly to ask questions without spamming the channel. |
| 22:07.44 | donvito | sorry |
| 22:07.44 | nonconvergent | donvito: Get netinst and just look through the advanced menu |
| 22:07.52 | donvito | cant do with netinstall cause i use wifi connection |
| 22:08.16 | dvs | donvito: ...which leads to the firmware iso |
| 22:08.33 | dvs | donvito: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
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| 22:08.39 | Tasab | merry xmas 2 all , while am updating the s/ware the following msge appear on the terminal , any help pls , |
| 22:08.40 | Tasab | W: Failed to fetch cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 7.2.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20131012-14:05]/dists/wheezy/contrib/binary-i386/Packages Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs |
| 22:08.41 | Tasab | <Tasab> W: Failed to fetch cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 7.2.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20131012-14:05]/dists/wheezy/main/binary-i386/Packages Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs |
| 22:08.43 | nonconvergent | dvs: Good man! |
| 22:08.57 | nonconvergent | Tasab: paste.debian.net |
| 22:09.23 | donvito | dvs i cant use netinstall cause i dont use ethernet i use wifi, |
| 22:09.39 | Tasab | nonconvergent:: ?? |
| 22:09.47 | dvs | donvito: Again, the firmware ISO has the firmware for wifi chips |
| 22:09.49 | nonconvergent | Tasab: also, they're looking for cds that aren't in the drive. Comment them out of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:09.57 | donvito | oh ok |
| 22:09.57 | donvito | sorry |
| 22:10.18 | donvito | i found this debian-7.3.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 22:10.20 | nonconvergent | Tasab: Don't paste large blocks of text. |
| 22:10.22 | donvito | do i need more cds? |
| 22:10.36 | nonconvergent | donvito: No...but are you sure that's he right arch for you? |
| 22:10.48 | ghost75 | which filesystems are u using? |
| 22:10.48 | dvs | donvito: Well, that probably wont let you install over wifi. |
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| 22:11.32 | dvs | donvito: If you want to install via CDs, then you'll need to get more CD iso images |
| 22:11.47 | Tasab | nonconvergent:: the cd available external usb dvd & my source debian inserted on already |
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| 22:12.07 | nonconvergent | Tasab: then they're not mounted where it's looking for it. |
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| 22:12.24 | donvito | sorry im really new in debian |
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| 22:12.51 | nonconvergent | it's okay. |
| 22:13.05 | nonconvergent | I'm patient, and we were all new once. |
| 22:13.59 | donvito | i found cd1 for xfce install its just easyer for me, till now i had ubuntu 12.04 but ubuntu is too heavy for my pc i had linux mint 15 wich was unstable as hell and now i will try debian, cause is similar to ubuntu |
| 22:14.02 | nonconvergent | donvito: dvs gave you some really good advice. Similarly, you can just connect to the ethernet during the install and grab the firmware later. |
| 22:14.20 | dvs | agrees |
| 22:14.35 | donvito | thanks! :) |
| 22:14.56 | nonconvergent | lscpi -nn | grep [nN]etwork should give you a line of text that if you bring it in here we can tell you which firmware you need IF it doesn't work. |
| 22:15.07 | nonconvergent | Some cards have free firmware that works out of the box. |
| 22:15.13 | nonconvergent | Some don't. |
| 22:15.17 | dvs | most dont |
| 22:15.22 | nonconvergent | Most don't, yes. |
| 22:15.52 | donvito | dvs nonconvergent lxde is more heavy than xfce ? |
| 22:16.01 | nonconvergent | It'll look something like "02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002b] (rev 01)" |
| 22:16.15 | dvs | donvito: I've never used lxde |
| 22:16.26 | Tasab | nonconvergent:: which is better , arch linux or debian |
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| 22:16.55 | nonconvergent | Tasab: This is #debian. What do you think? Troll on down the road. |
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| 22:17.37 | nonconvergent | donvito: LXDE and XFCE are both fairly light. I like XFCE a little better for new users and people who just want to get work done. |
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| 22:17.57 | Tasab | |o| really am like debian & ubuntu , but would like to try arch |
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| 22:19.37 | nonconvergent | donvito: They're both "Desktop Environments" but that's just a managed project of applications and configurations to provide a common experience. XFCE, LXDE, Gnome, and KDE are the big names in that game. Also Ubuntu's Unity which was built on some Gnome work. |
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| 22:20.16 | nonconvergent | Tasab: That's up to you, but this is a #debian channel and a discussion of arch would be off topic. You might try a more general channel for that. |
| 22:20.49 | donvito | thanks |
| 22:20.51 | donvito | ill use xfce |
| 22:21.05 | mastershake | hey guys, what's the difference between compiling a tarball from source and using apt-get install? or do "all roads lead to rome" so-to-speak? |
| 22:21.14 | nonconvergent | donvito: There's also the choice of not running a DE and running just a WM or window manager |
| 22:21.44 | Tasab | nonconvergent:: agreed with u 100% , tks anyway |
| 22:21.45 | dvs | !start a de war |
| 22:21.45 | dpkg | Emacs bites! |
| 22:22.54 | stojic | What is the update policy for kernels in wheezy-backports? I'm using linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64 on my machines and was wondering if I'll need to check for updates manually in the future (ie, will updated 3.10 kernel have a different package name). |
| 22:23.29 | nonconvergent | mastershake: compiling takes time, requires space, leaves leftovers, and bugs tend to crop up when using various libraries together in concert on a new system. That's what the Debian maintainers spend the majority of their time doing. |
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| 22:24.04 | dvs | stojic: apt-get -t wheez-backports install linux-imge-amd64 |
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| 22:24.18 | dvs | stojic: apt-get -t wheez-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 22:24.55 | nonconvergent | mastershake: By using Debian stable, you're using packages that someone else has already gone through the trouble of working through those bugs, or at least making sure that we use the least buggy version available even if its older. |
| 22:25.01 | stojic | dvs: but I'd like to track kernel 3.10, won't this give me the latest kernel (3.11)? |
| 22:25.29 | dvs | stojic: Oh, if you want to stick to 3.10 then you'll have to check manually |
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| 22:25.46 | stojic | dvs: I see, thanks. |
| 22:25.57 | dvs | (but they'll probably won't update 3.10 since they've moved to 3.11) |
| 22:26.01 | SMB294 | donvito: lxde is lighter than xfce |
| 22:26.27 | SMB294 | donvito: but it's uglier out of the box |
| 22:26.33 | mastershake | nonconvergent, thank you for clearing that up for me. |
| 22:27.15 | stojic | dvs: Hmm, 3.10 is a kernel LTS release, so it would make sense to keep it updated imo. |
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| 22:29.08 | nonconvergent | mastershake: My rule of thumb: Run stable when you need anything by default. IF you need a new feature not available, check for a backport. If there is no backport but the package is in testing or sid, try an ssb or simple sid backport. It's simple if you are able to easily build it otherwise abort. At this point maybe build from source yourself, but apt and dpkg provide means of making sure everything works together nicely an |
| 22:29.38 | nonconvergent | Some languages have their own "repositories" too. |
| 22:29.49 | nonconvergent | ruby has gems, haskell has cabal |
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| 22:31.36 | dvs | stojic: Debian will backport any fixes to their kernel |
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| 22:32.14 | SMB294 | i didn't know there were LTS kernels |
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| 22:34.18 | SMB294 | i came across a forum yesterday where people where talking about a backdoor in the linux random number generator which they claim was fixed in kernel 3.14 or 13 |
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| 22:35.43 | Okee | what is the sea monkey brower called in debian? |
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| 22:36.03 | dvs | Okee: iceweasel? |
| 22:36.18 | dvs | ,v seamonkey |
| 22:36.21 | stojic | iceape, I think |
| 22:36.23 | judd | No package named 'seamonkey' was found in i386. |
| 22:36.36 | Okee | dvs> I thought that was Firefox? Sea Moneky is a different browser, but also managed by Mozilla. |
| 22:36.48 | Okee | ok. I will install iceape |
| 22:36.54 | dvs | Okee: iceweasel is rebranded Firefox |
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| 22:37.21 | Okee | dvs> Yes, I know. I have it installed and Chromium. Looks like Opera won't install on wheezy. |
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| 22:38.23 | SMB294 | i wish mozilla had a debian repo where we could get firefox and install it properly |
| 22:39.27 | babilen | SMB294: Icweasel *is* Firefox. |
| 22:39.29 | dvs | SMB294: Why? iceweasel is different only in name. |
| 22:39.38 | SMB294 | and an older version |
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| 22:39.52 | dvs | !mdn |
| 22:39.52 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel (also Icedove and Iceape) are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze and wheezy or in <experimental> for jessie and sid. |
| 22:39.53 | SMB294 | seems like a security vulnerability |
| 22:39.59 | babilen | SMB294: You can get all release channels from http://mozilla.debian.net (release, different esrs, aurora and beta) |
| 22:40.15 | babilen | SMB294: What seems like a security vulnerability? |
| 22:40.18 | SMB294 | also for extension support. some don't work for iceweasel |
| 22:40.29 | babilen | Please be specific |
| 22:41.15 | SMB294 | certain extensions work in firefox that don't work in iceweasel. it's a pretty common complaint |
| 22:41.25 | babilen | SMB294: Every single extension that I've seen so far simply required a specific version of IW/FF, but then I don't use FF that frequently these days and might have missed some. Would be a bug though. |
| 22:41.30 | SMB294 | also the user agent issue but that is easy to fix |
| 22:41.50 | babilen | SMB294: Please be specific, which extension does not work with which version of IW? |
| 22:42.11 | SMB294 | i'm not trying to get help with an issue, babilen |
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| 22:42.31 | SMB294 | just making a comment |
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| 22:42.38 | babilen | SMB294: Then please stop whining and take it elsewhere. |
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| 22:42.46 | galex-713 | How to downgrade a package? |
| 22:42.48 | SMB294 | whining? calm down |
| 22:43.05 | babilen | galex-713: downgrading is not *really* supported. What are you trying to do exactly? |
| 22:43.32 | galex-713 | I had YaCy installed and working |
| 22:43.40 | galex-713 | I did “apt-get upgrade” |
| 22:43.44 | SMB294 | put down your pitchform, babilen. you don't have to be debian's hero here. it's a matter of preference. |
| 22:43.44 | SMB294 | pitchfork* |
| 22:44.09 | galex-713 | Now “service yacy start” say “failed” and it recall it to me each time I call apt-get |
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| 22:45.22 | SMB294 | maybe you should try re-installing? |
| 22:45.23 | babilen | SMB294: Well, we provide and support Iceweasel which *is* Firefox. If you have problems with those packages then lets work on then and if you don't then lets stop. There is no point in general statements such as "it's a pretty common complaint" -- Most of those "common complaints" simply arise because people are not aware of http://mozilla.debian.net and the version in *stable* is simply too old for the (sometimes badly implemented) versoin check. |
| 22:46.00 | SMB294 | take a chill pill, babilen |
| 22:46.07 | SMB294 | nobody cares about this as much as you seem to |
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| 22:46.51 | babilen | galex-713: What is yacy exactly? I can't seem to find that in the archive. Could you paste the exact error message to http://paste.debian.net? Which packages were upgraded during the upgrade? Can you provide the appropriate section of /var/log/apt/history.log ? |
| 22:47.20 | jhutchins | SMB294: Loose the attitude please. |
| 22:48.04 | babilen | galex-713: Generally speaking: Downgrading is not supported and our maintainer scripts do not support it either in the sense that they make forward changes, but can't reverse them. One approach would be to purge the service and then reinstall it manually from the actual .deb package with dpkg. |
| 22:48.15 | SMB294 | relax hutchins, you don't need to join in. i'm willing to let it go |
| 22:48.45 | babilen | SMB294: Then please do so and be so kind to ask questions in here if you require support. Merci! |
| 22:49.15 | SMB294 | anything for you |
| 22:49.16 | galex-713 | Well, in French you have a fine unbreakable space before the exclamation mark… |
| 22:49.30 | galex-713 | Like that “Merci !” |
| 22:49.46 | babilen | galex-713: You can, naturally, simply install the older version of the package (with "dpkg -i the.deb") without purging it first, but that might cause problems due to aforementioned inability of the maintainer scripts to handle this. |
| 22:49.51 | galex-713 | Or just unbreakable not fine, not so bad: “Merci !” |
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| 23:00.14 | babilen | galex-713: Thanks. Did you manage to sort out your problem in the meanwhile with the scarce and fairly unspecific information I provided so far? I was kinda waiting for answers to my question, but ... it's getting rather late. |
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| 23:04.26 | galex-713 | babilen: I’m continuing writing ;) |
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| 23:05.09 | babilen | galex-713: I am heading off now, but was a bit surprised and somehow assumed that it sorted itself out in the meanwhile. :) |
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| 23:05.24 | babilen | galex-713: Good night and enjoy the holidays |
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| 23:10.18 | galex-713 | <the message I was writing just after you said “What is YaCy?”:> babilen: oh sorry, I forgot that :/ So YaCy is a P2P 100% decentralized search engine, not a meta-engine, it has its own crawler (so bad it’s so huge and slow… unfortunatly this project is in Java…). There is no YaCy package in Debian but they give a specific repository (see <http://www.yacy-websuche.de/wiki/index.php/Fr:DebianInstall>), and I installed the yacy package |
| 23:10.19 | galex-713 | from here. Then sure, now it’s here: <https://paste.debian.net/hidden/dc0fa1a3/>; as you can see the error give pretty no information, so it’s really difficult to guess what caused the problem (especially with a init.d script which is really complicated and difficult to understand, I pasted it here: <https://paste.galex-713.eu/?91ebd67b3b6fb3c0#rir5I0fHIf8jpBnim3ois/7KxPOG/Fij6jBXjetyAuU=>), so I can’t figure how to do without |
| 23:10.19 | galex-713 | downgrading it. While the upgrade, a loooot of package were upgraded (more than 1 screen), it’s pasted here: <https://paste.galex-713.eu/?b5b041207b629ae5#9g1WvLq9fL9UKFCkqnjoNv+IkC5vh77yuBGqpf1wTEk=>. |
| 23:10.33 | galex-713 | Oh! |
| 23:11.06 | galex-713 | I should have sent a part before… |
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| 23:12.00 | CyberAssassin | Anybody tried running a debian server on a Beagle Bone Black |
| 23:12.01 | CyberAssassin | ?* |
| 23:12.04 | galex-713 | babilen: You’re already gone…? |
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| 23:13.45 | galex-713 | :/ |
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