| 00:00.49 | freeminds_ | I am adding additional sources via debian.saltstack.com. I want to set the priority for the libzmq3 package lower, than for the package from backports. I tried something like this, but it didn't work out: http://nopaste.info/3084e25785.html |
| 00:00.57 | freeminds_ | s/via/from |
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| 00:06.03 | freeminds_ | ok, fixed it by setting priority on backports |
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| 00:06.59 | donvito | how to stop mail from debian ? on /var/mail/username |
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| 00:07.07 | abrotman | stop it from doing what? |
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| 00:07.29 | donvito | debian is sending me mails |
| 00:07.38 | abrotman | about what? |
| 00:07.45 | donvito | system logs |
| 00:07.47 | donvito | crontab |
| 00:07.56 | donvito | Subject: Cron <root@wheezy> ps -ef | pgrep oscam || /var/etc/oscam -b |
| 00:08.06 | abrotman | fix the crontab |
| 00:08.23 | donvito | what to fix there? |
| 00:08.39 | donvito | i have setup crontab to check werever oscam is runing or not |
| 00:08.46 | abrotman | so fix the output |
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| 00:08.53 | donvito | hmm |
| 00:08.54 | donvito | how? |
| 00:08.59 | donvito | what im doing wrong here |
| 00:09.01 | abrotman | it's your script .. |
| 00:09.05 | donvito | no its not a script |
| 00:09.08 | donvito | its just a line |
| 00:09.17 | jhutchins | donvito: You are repsonsible for that information now. You are the system administrator. |
| 00:09.28 | donvito | is it something wrong or not? |
| 00:09.32 | donvito | cause i just dont want mails |
| 00:09.51 | abrotman | then fix the cron job |
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| 00:10.18 | donvito | # m h dom mon dow command |
| 00:10.18 | donvito | */1 * * * * ps -ef | pgrep CCcam.x86 || /emu/cccam/CCcam.x86 |
| 00:10.18 | donvito | */2 * * * * ps -ef | pgrep oscam || /var/etc/oscam -b |
| 00:10.22 | donvito | those are two lines i got there |
| 00:10.26 | abrotman | or paste it in here .. good plan |
| 00:10.31 | donvito | i have no idea what to fix |
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| 00:12.02 | donvito | so in crontab -e |
| 00:12.23 | donvito | i got that two lines to check wether the proces are runing if they r not the crontab should start them |
| 00:12.28 | donvito | this is the way i used in ubuntu |
| 00:12.39 | abrotman | donvito: you should probably start with bash programming tutorial |
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| 00:12.48 | abrotman | and you also should read teh cron documentation |
| 00:12.49 | abrotman | .win 1 |
| 00:12.57 | abrotman | and I should read the irssi manual |
| 00:13.39 | donvito | im just curious its something wrong or i just should ignore the mail? |
| 00:14.03 | jelly-home | donvito: pgrep does not need ps -fe piped into it |
| 00:14.49 | Riviera | Ahhhhhh, he thought he needed that because of the "grep" in its name :D |
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| 00:15.14 | donvito | so i should just reove ps -ef |
| 00:15.15 | donvito | ? |
| 00:15.37 | jelly-home | donvito: that would be a good start, but not necessarily the complete solution |
| 00:15.41 | Riviera | donvito: yes, and you might want to consider suppressing pgrep's output. |
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| 00:16.10 | donvito | */1 * * * * | pgrep CCcam.x86 || /emu/cccam/CCcam.x86 |
| 00:16.10 | donvito | */2 * * * * | pgrep oscam || /var/etc/oscam -b |
| 00:16.12 | donvito | is it ok now? |
| 00:16.26 | Riviera | donvito: no, remove the | also |
| 00:16.34 | donvito | oh ok sory |
| 00:17.01 | Riviera | donvito: Is that just about trying to keep some tool running? |
| 00:17.01 | donvito | */1 * * * * pgrep CCcam.x86 || /emu/cccam/CCcam.x86 |
| 00:17.02 | donvito | */2 * * * * pgrep oscam || /var/etc/oscam -b |
| 00:17.05 | donvito | yes |
| 00:17.14 | donvito | checking if cccam and oscam are runing |
| 00:17.17 | donvito | cause they are unstable |
| 00:17.21 | Riviera | donvito: But there are dedicated utilities helping with that. |
| 00:17.22 | donvito | and crash time to time |
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| 00:17.38 | donvito | guys realy im sorry till now for 5 years i just used ubuntu |
| 00:17.42 | donvito | im new in debian but i like it |
| 00:18.08 | donvito | so i want to stuck with debian for a long time |
| 00:18.22 | abrotman | your script should only output when there's a problem |
| 00:18.40 | Riviera | donvito: I don't know what tools are nowadays recommended for that task, but http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html and http://smarden.org/runit/ should be better options than these cronjobs. |
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| 00:19.31 | Riviera | donvito: so now, since pgrep writes the pids of the processes it found to stdout, making cron potentially report these every minute by email, you'd want to suppress that by adding > /dev/null before the || |
| 00:19.55 | Riviera | donvito: i.e. pgrep oscam > /dev/null || /path/to/oscam ... |
| 00:20.06 | donvito | let me try |
| 00:20.08 | Riviera | donvito: (same for the other job) but seriously consider the better options. |
| 00:20.17 | Riviera | (daemontools and runint) |
| 00:20.19 | donvito | this is just easy |
| 00:20.20 | Riviera | runit* |
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| 00:22.16 | donvito | yes but with this commands now after oscam is crashed it doesnt want to run again |
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| 00:24.04 | sphere | Is anyone able to run google voice? |
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| 00:24.25 | DrakkenWarr | google voice for what? |
| 00:24.33 | Riviera | donvito: Well, what happens? |
| 00:24.47 | Riviera | donvito: Does it work when you run it manually? |
| 00:24.53 | abrotman | Isn't google voice a browser thing? |
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| 00:25.47 | speckle | Hello, is Debian Testing less buggy than Ubuntu? I'm trying to decide on a user-friendly rolling distribution for my next build, that I can easily put the latest Mesa drivers on. |
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| 00:26.46 | abrotman | speckle: depends which day |
| 00:26.52 | speckle | If it's at least as stable as Ubuntu, I think that will be good enough for me. |
| 00:27.26 | Hassen | does anyone know a tool/software that emulates a joystick using the mouse Axis's and keyboard?like PPJoy for windows |
| 00:27.27 | speckle | Or is it easier to get stable and put the latest drivers on manually? |
| 00:27.42 | abrotman | speckle: that's up to you, there's a kernel in backports.org |
| 00:27.47 | abrotman | erm in backports |
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| 00:29.45 | speckle | Thanks for the info - I'm just not sure what to go with. I guess I'll just get Debian stable and end up replacing half of it with backports, in the worst case. |
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| 00:31.12 | abrotman | or try them both in a VM? |
| 00:32.52 | speckle | I'm mostly worried about random stability issues with hardware, so I'm not sure using a VM will highlight the problems I am concerned about. Thanks for the idea, though. |
| 00:33.05 | speckle | I had hoped someone could speak about the real-life stability of a Debian Testing installation. |
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| 00:37.34 | Captain_Matrix | speckle: if it's not marked stable then you can't excpect any stability from it |
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| 00:37.45 | DrakkenWarr | real life testing install? ^^ |
| 00:37.56 | speckle | well, DrakkenWarr, for personal use |
| 00:37.57 | DrakkenWarr | it will break it is not when, and it will be pretty much up to you to fix it |
| 00:38.00 | speckle | not on servers or anything, heh |
| 00:38.20 | DrakkenWarr | I am speaking for personal use. I would never put testing on any sort of production box |
| 00:39.21 | babilen | speckle: "stable" in the context of Debian simply means "not changing" and nothing else. (cf. "/msg dpkg stable") -- testing is, however, pretty usable at times, but comes with bugs and iiosyncrasies. It is certainly not possible to really run it securely at this point in the release cycle without pulling the odd package from unstable. |
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| 00:39.37 | babilen | *idiosyncrasies |
| 00:39.48 | speckle | Ah, so it's better to just use unstable? |
| 00:40.02 | DrakkenWarr | ah no, if you want stable use STABLE |
| 00:40.04 | babilen | No, I did not say that. |
| 00:40.57 | babilen | speckle: There are arguments in favour of all stable, testing and unstable and severe drawbacks to each. If you want stable (in the bug sense) then you have to use stable. It is the only release that has been tested. |
| 00:41.48 | babilen | It's a complicated discussion and there really isn't a clear cut answer as testing/unstable as development release change constantly so it is pretty hard to predict what'll happen. |
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| 00:43.01 | babilen | All I am saying is that you have to take care if you track testing to pull updated packages from unstable to make up for the missing security support. This requires paying attention and reading some (development) mailing lists too. Some other tips have been gathered at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 00:44.45 | speckle | But I can avoid most of the issues if I just use backports with stable, right? |
| 00:45.02 | babilen | What I can assure you is this: If you are not familiar with the Debian packaging system (or not willing/able to learn it pretty damn fast) then tracking either testing or unstable will not work out for you. It is not a "run dist-upgrade every week" solution and you will have to pay attention to what you are doing. Tools such as apt-listbugs prevent you from running into the worst (reported!!) bugs, but can only do so much. |
| 00:45.22 | speckle | Okay, so only stable is newbie-friendly. Got it, thanks. |
| 00:45.56 | babilen | Stable with backports is certainly a much more reliable solution, but then you cannot install everything and the kitchen sink from backports as *that* will result in a package combination that is even less tested than testing/unstable. |
| 00:46.34 | babilen | That being said: Tracking stable and installing selected packages from backports is certainly the sanest choice if all you want is a system to work with + some additional newer packages. |
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| 00:47.35 | speckle | Maybe there's a way to install newer versions of libraries only for the programs that need them |
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| 00:48.04 | speckle | For example, wxWidgets 3 is fairly new, and maybe there's a way to only use it for the programs that need it |
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| 00:48.08 | babilen | speckle: Read http://debian-handbook.info/ -- Working on Debian and system administration is fun, but there simply isn't a system that can be both bleeding edge and well tested at the same time. I would suggest to go with stable now, install software from backports, backports yourself (/msg dpkg ssb) and *maybe* consider tracking testing once it is frozen in a year. |
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| 00:48.26 | speckle | Thanks, babilen! |
| 00:48.49 | babilen | (that book is great, if a *little* dated in places (really just a little)) |
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| 00:51.32 | speckle | Hmm, seems like the way to install newer libraries without breaking your system is to avoid symlinking it to a filename without a version. I hope that's safe enough. |
| 00:54.07 | zh1 | debian-7.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent debian-live-7.2-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso.torrent, 7.3 is more updated than the live one? |
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| 00:57.01 | iceroot | zh1: yes |
| 00:57.57 | zh1 | live update coming out soon? |
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| 01:01.29 | iceroot | zh1: sorry i dont know |
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| 01:08.57 | BPony | Hi |
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| 01:09.41 | ejako | Te Secure nterest Paying Bitcoin Wallet http:://bitcoinera..ne/ http://bitcoinera.net/ http://bbitcoinerra.net/ 6% MONHLY INTERESST || SSAFE & TRUSED |
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| 01:11.59 | donvito | anyone know wich one is good torrent program for wheezy xfce ? |
| 01:14.14 | speckle | Okay, it looks like Debian stable with chroots and /usr/local/ libraries is a good option for me :) How stable is KDE 4 in Debian stable? :P |
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| 01:14.25 | speckle | I remember KDE 4 gave me trouble a few years ago |
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| 01:16.47 | jimmjen | running xrdp on my debian installation, I get a black screen with a mouse pointer after logging into it with rdp |
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| 01:17.19 | BPony | debian version? |
| 01:17.49 | one_tkbx | any idea what I can install to fix this? someone suggested libqt4-dev and it didn't help |
| 01:17.50 | one_tkbx | main.cpp:1:28: fatal error: QCoreApplication: No such file or directory |
| 01:17.50 | one_tkbx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.01 | BPony | one_tkbx: libqt4-devel |
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| 01:18.28 | one_tkbx | BPony, unable to locate |
| 01:18.30 | one_tkbx | I'm on testing |
| 01:18.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell speckle -about install kde |
| 01:18.41 | BPony | libqt4-dev should help it |
| 01:18.43 | babilen | speckle: tias |
| 01:18.51 | one_tkbx | already have it BPony |
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| 01:21.18 | jimmjen | and I can't enter anything with the keybaord on ths login screen, just mouse |
| 01:21.37 | jimmjen | plugging in the keyboard to usb, the caps lock/other lights won't light up, but plugging in a usb mouse works fine |
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| 01:29.30 | jimmjen | it's like once I get to that login window, keyboard input is no longer accepted |
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| 01:29.39 | jimmjen | but if I ctrl-alt-f1 before it restarts after killing its process I can type |
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| 02:02.36 | The_ | say |
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| 02:02.47 | The_ | Hello All! |
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| 02:06.35 | Guest75184 | Is there a way to invoke the software install utility for programs not found in the stable repository? |
| 02:07.03 | Guest75184 | This seemed to work with the google talk plugin, but the option didn't come up with Oxygen-64bit.sh |
| 02:09.27 | Tylertwo | Guest75184, where is Oxygen-* located? |
| 02:10.02 | Guest75184 | Tylertwo> Oxygen is in the downloads directory, and I am using XFCE interface with Debian stable. |
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| 02:11.12 | Guest75184 | Tylertwo> The file has an sh extension. |
| 02:11.12 | Tylertwo | Wouldn't you just run Oxygen? ./Oxygen or whatnot? |
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| 02:12.12 | Guest75184 | Tylertwo> Cant get it to install |
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| 02:13.21 | Tylertwo | Is it just that single file or is that one file of many? |
| 02:13.33 | Guest75184 | Tylertwo> I found the software installer, but it won't install. I receive an error that there is an unknown MIME type. |
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| 02:14.40 | Guest75184 | Tylertwo> I suspect there is more than one type of file, but I don't really know. This is an xml editor, so more likely than not there are many files, and the sh is compressed. |
| 02:15.25 | Tylertwo | Where did you download it from? |
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| 02:16.08 | Guest75184 | Tylertwo> http://www.oxygenxml.com/download_oxygenxml_editor.html |
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| 02:20.11 | Hassen | debian seems the most one that has derivative distros :O http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg |
| 02:20.12 | Tylertwo | Ok, so that app isn't in Debian's repos. That means you're gonna have to install it via the directions given by its website/documentation. I'm not sure about how to solve the MIME error. |
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| 02:20.55 | Guest75184 | Hassen> Doesn't surprise me. Debian has one of the largest, and perhaps the oldest repository. |
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| 02:23.44 | Guest75184 | Can someone tell me how I can run libc0.1? It is found here http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/dmidecode When I attempted to install it with apt-get, I get an error message indicating it was replaced with initscripts. I tried to install initscripts and received a message that it is already installed. How do I run this? I am trying to get some information about my motherboard. I want to find out if it can be upgraded with a new pro |
| 02:23.44 | Guest75184 | cessor, without going through the trouble of buying a new computer. i can't run virtualization on my current system. |
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| 02:24.10 | Guest75184 | meant to say upgraded to a new processor. |
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| 02:30.14 | ectospasm | Guest75184: dmidecode will tell you things about the motherboard, does it not work for you? |
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| 02:30.58 | Guest86126 | ectospasm> I get an error message indicating that it was replaced with iniscripts |
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| 02:39.34 | okee | I got bumped but back. I had a question about iniscripts |
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| 02:43.26 | okee | Is there a way to do a dual installation of icedove/thunderbird? |
| 02:43.35 | okee | I would like to run my calendar in a separate installation. |
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| 02:46.20 | sashman | is there a good leightweight secure opensource mail-handler for debian? |
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| 02:46.37 | sashman | ^^' |
| 02:46.50 | phy1729 | exim is installed by default |
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| 02:54.18 | qkzoo1978 | So, I |
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| 02:56.32 | qkzoo1978 | I'm running the netinst, get to the network portion of the debian installer, and I keep getting "Failure of key exchange and association" when trying to connect to our wifi (wpa psk) any tips what might be going on here? |
| 02:57.16 | qkzoo1978 | I have the firmware loaded on an external sd card, which is working, otherwise I wouldnt have gotten this far. |
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| 02:58.54 | z8z | Sorry to bother but can someone explain the meaning of this message when running jigdo? http://pastebin.com/Zxm2agHT |
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| 03:02.57 | qkzoo1978 | The debian installer can see my network, loaded the firmware, but cant authenticate with my network, any tips? |
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| 03:03.53 | sashman | qkzoo1978 maybe u have to conf the router to connect new devices to it |
| 03:04.16 | LtL | qkzoo1978: my guess is the lack of wpa_supplicant, i would install on a wire, wireless is a piece of cake afterards |
| 03:04.24 | qkzoo1978 | no never have before |
| 03:04.44 | qkzoo1978 | lack of wpa supplicant? |
| 03:05.13 | sashman | install per ethernet |
| 03:05.18 | LtL | qkzoo1978: its a package or packages, installing via wifi is a PITA |
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| 03:05.44 | qkzoo1978 | ok, will try by wire, thanks. |
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| 03:06.47 | qkzoo1978 | Interesting enough, it keeps referring to my wireless connection as eth1, shouldnt it be wlan0? |
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| 03:08.59 | eptin | Hi |
| 03:09.29 | eptin | guys |
| 03:09.34 | qkzoo1978 | Next question. I had done a VBox install, and chose no root password in favor of sudo. Several times, such as trying to use dd with sudo, it told me I had to be root. What could have gone wrong there? |
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| 03:10.05 | eptin | I want to install the latest cmake version and apparently there is no such version available for debian (packaged) yet |
| 03:10.24 | eptin | there is only for this sid (http://packages.debian.org/es/sid/cmake) version |
| 03:10.48 | eptin | is it recommended to install that version for the wheezy ? |
| 03:11.15 | okee | I installed radicale, but receiving an error message that it is not starting. Any idea what is wrong, and how to fix it? |
| 03:11.28 | eptin | anyone ? |
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| 03:19.27 | okee | Is the Lighting calendar in the repos? I don't see it and I am running stable.... |
| 03:19.38 | pederindi | I find a little bug (and how to fix it changing config files) on Debian Wheezy stable and I have two questions: where I can report it, and this will be considered for jessie, ... ? |
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| 03:23.21 | abrotman | okee: apt-cache search lightning |
| 03:23.28 | KaaK_ | can dpkg be told that a package is installed/auto-installed with out actually installing said package? I'm working on a python tool to download debs AND remember which have been downloaded by 'installing' them. |
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| 03:23.54 | okee | dpkg lighting |
| 03:23.55 | dpkg | okee: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 03:24.01 | abrotman | ... |
| 03:24.11 | okee | dpkg: Is the lighting calendar program in the repos? |
| 03:24.12 | dpkg | okee: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 03:24.18 | abrotman | okee: leave the bot alone |
| 03:24.25 | abrotman | i already gave you the clue you need |
| 03:24.33 | pero | is there a network manager applet for xfce or am i stuck with wicd for a gui? |
| 03:24.44 | abrotman | pero: there should be one for xfce |
| 03:24.48 | abrotman | or a generic one |
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| 03:25.06 | meshuggah | merry end of xmas to everyone |
| 03:25.47 | KaaK_ | what is the etiquette for replying to a dpkg 'wants you to know' ? |
| 03:26.02 | abrotman | KaaK_: replying for what? |
| 03:26.14 | okee | abrotman> dpkg thinks that the repository list is in the documentation. |
| 03:26.26 | abrotman | okee: leave the bot alone |
| 03:26.33 | abrotman | I already gave you the clue you need |
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| 03:27.09 | KaaK_ | abrotman: dpkg messaged me saying you wanted to let me know something. Do i reply with another /msg? or just bring the conversation in to the room-at-large? |
| 03:27.16 | okee | abrotman> I did apt-cache search lighting a couple of hours ago. My reason for posting in the channel is that I didn't find anything. |
| 03:27.18 | pero | apt says this is not found http://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/network-manager-applet |
| 03:27.18 | apt | pero: okay |
| 03:27.30 | abrotman | jesus .. |
| 03:27.40 | abrotman | okee: it helps if you spell it correctly, you did not |
| 03:28.14 | okee | lightning is the way I searched for it with apt-cache search |
| 03:28.50 | abrotman | I'd like to see that in a pastebin |
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| 03:29.00 | abrotman | KaaK_: what else do you want to know about ? |
| 03:29.21 | abrotman | pero: aptitue update;apt-cache search network-manager-applet |
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| 03:29.46 | pero | abrotman: nothing |
| 03:29.59 | pero | it also doesn't show up in this list http://packages.debian.org/jessie/allpackages |
| 03:30.52 | abrotman | pero: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=network-manager |
| 03:31.05 | z8z | why debian update dvd is always 4GB big? Is just a coincidence they always update 4gb of stuff? Or there are some extra files inside? |
| 03:31.10 | pero | abrotman: no -applet there |
| 03:31.25 | abrotman | pero: so use another one? |
| 03:31.32 | pero | which one? |
| 03:31.51 | abrotman | pick one that seems appropriate? |
| 03:32.23 | KaaK_ | abrotman: just wasn't sure of etiquette. equivs and meta-packages don't address my issue. i want a deb archive downloader that remembers what packages it has downloaded and to this end I can either hand-roll a database to persist this info, or just fib to dpkg that downloading a package IS installing a package. |
| 03:32.29 | pero | huh? out of those packages? i have network-manager installed but no systray icon in xfce |
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| 03:32.45 | abrotman | pero: so maybe try network-manager-gnome ? |
| 03:32.51 | abrotman | doesn't see why this is difficult |
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| 03:33.01 | abrotman | KaaK_: apt-zip perhaps? |
| 03:33.15 | abrotman | KaaK_: what are you actually trying to do ? |
| 03:33.31 | KaaK_ | i've got a small working directory that is a complete working environment, nessisary state files, list files, lock files, etc |
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| 03:34.16 | KaaK_ | abrotman, end goal is a partial mirror that i can "apt-partialmirror (include|exclude) <package>" |
| 03:34.32 | pero | abrotman: thanks, that did it |
| 03:34.38 | pero | just a touch counterintuitive |
| 03:35.03 | abrotman | KaaK_: so you want to setup your own repository? |
| 03:35.34 | abrotman | KaaK_: would an apt proxy work ? |
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| 03:37.23 | KaaK_ | abrotman, yeah -- a partial mirror of wheezy. i've got several debian devices on the cellular network and apt-get updating 30,000 package updates is less than ideal. |
| 03:37.39 | abrotman | KaaK_: so if you used a caching apt proxy, this would suffice? |
| 03:37.54 | abrotman | they could all update from that proxy? |
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| 03:39.40 | KaaK_ | abrotman, sounds enticing -- could it easily be setup with an include/exclude interface? i don't know much about the available apt proxies |
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| 03:40.04 | abrotman | include/exclude? |
| 03:40.30 | dvs | KaaK_: I'm guessing it will only keep what is actually downloaded. |
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| 03:41.40 | KaaK_ | abrotman, sorry, and include <package> for including that package and all its deps in the repository, and an exclude for doing the opposite. |
| 03:42.16 | abrotman | it will cache anything requested from sources it knows about |
| 03:43.17 | KaaK_ | it sounds i would be able to just point apt-ftparchive at the cache directory to generate all the packages files, and release info. but it just doesn't feel very well 'gated.' -- i'll play around with it and see how it goes |
| 03:44.23 | abrotman | there are a few apt proxy/cache programs, each a bit different |
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| 03:50.57 | KaaK_ | purely for my own satisfaction, where/how does dpkg and apt keep track of pacakge states? Dir::State::Status? default: /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
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| 03:52.38 | dekiss2 | can someone help me get my web server up? |
| 03:52.55 | dekiss2 | I am installing nginx on debain 7, it servers htm,l files but can't gert it to server php ffiles |
| 03:53.00 | dekiss2 | for some reason |
| 03:53.04 | dekiss2 | I am following this http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-nginx-with-php5-and-php-fpm-and-mysql-support-lemp-on-debian-wheezy |
| 03:53.14 | dekiss2 | I want it to use php fpm with unix coonn |
| 03:53.55 | dekiss2 | it can't find php files at all |
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| 03:59.44 | z8z | why debian update dvd is always 4GB big? Is just a coincidence they always update 4gb of stuff? Or there are some extra files inside? |
| 04:00.02 | DANtheBEASTman | so I tend to use `sudo mount` to mount usb keys and sd cards and the like, but they always get mounted as root, how do I mount with write access to non-root users? |
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| 04:00.22 | dvs | z8z: Because DVDs can only store up to 4.7GB? |
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| 04:01.03 | z8z | dvs: it doesn't answer my question |
| 04:02.19 | dvs | z8z: The 7.3.0 update disk is 4.2 GB |
| 04:02.27 | dvs | so they're not exactly 4GB |
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| 04:03.23 | z8z | dvs: yes but how always around 4gb.... that sounds strange |
| 04:03.57 | z8z | dvs: there must happen sometimes that spacious softwares like videogames are not updated |
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| 04:04.17 | dekiss2 | nginx: [emerg] bind() to 0.0.0.0:80 failed (98: Address already in use) |
| 04:04.21 | dekiss2 | what can be using this? |
| 04:04.34 | z8z | z8z: or sometimes when you need more that 4gb that just require 1 only extra big package to be added |
| 04:04.44 | dekiss2 | how to hceck what is using 0.0.0.0:80? |
| 04:04.51 | dvs | z8z: Or the same packages get updated most of the time? |
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| 04:06.14 | z8z | dvs: there are too many to have this stable size level all the time....maybe i got to discover myself analysing those |
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| 04:08.01 | dvs | z8z: The update ISOs have all the changes since 7.0.0 so the size is not going to shrink: they're only going to get bigger. |
| 04:10.02 | z8z | dvs: oh.... is update since 7.0.0? Didn't know that.... so the question changes into how it never cross the 4.7 limit? |
| 04:10.10 | dvs | z8z: It's a possibility. |
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| 04:11.00 | z8z | dvs: Uhmmmm.... ok. Thanks for the answer then! |
| 04:11.10 | dvs | no prob |
| 04:12.46 | jarkko_ | did you notice that left for dead 2 is free on steam? |
| 04:13.21 | z8z | dvs: Oh sorry i wanted to ask 1 extra thing.... basically to keep a system updated in the repos source you can have all 10 dvds of 7.0.0 + the last update dvd? |
| 04:13.36 | dvs | z8z: That's exactly it. |
| 04:13.48 | abrotman | z8z: if you have network access for those systems, you don't need the update image |
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| 04:14.07 | z8z | dvs: yeah i have a place with no network |
| 04:14.59 | z8z | dvs: so the system automatically pick the latest version of the package from best source? even there are 2 duplicate packages but different versions? |
| 04:15.26 | dvs | z8z: Yes |
| 04:15.49 | z8z | dvs: cool! i got it thanks a lot! |
| 04:16.13 | z8z | dvs: i king of knew it but i really needed a confirm. Thanks! |
| 04:16.21 | z8z | dvs: kind |
| 04:16.31 | dvs | I'm the king! |
| 04:16.43 | abrotman | yay, canadian king |
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| 04:16.52 | dvs | heh |
| 04:16.57 | z8z | dvs: lol :D ok you deserve it for the answer |
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| 04:19.44 | z8z | dvs: what happen if you have a source with a more recent version but no dependencies in it? system uses the old one or throws error? |
| 04:20.15 | wols_ | it always uses the latest |
| 04:20.18 | dvs | z8z: If the dependencies are not available, then it won't install. |
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| 04:21.03 | z8z | dvs: ok... but in any case any package is checked with checksum against debian checksum list of packages? |
| 04:22.09 | dvs | z8z: If you are using the ISO, the packages will be signed. |
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| 04:23.26 | z8z | dvs: and if using network and a third party source? it checks checksum from some list anyway? |
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| 04:24.02 | dvs | z8z: There's no guarentee with a third party source. |
| 04:25.45 | z8z | dvs: yeah but their packages could still be matched with some valid checksum list from debian i guess |
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| 04:26.14 | dvs | z8z: The checksum wouldn't be from Debian. |
| 04:27.03 | z8z | dvs: ah ok... i understand what you mean |
| 04:27.51 | z8z | dvs: well i think i understood how the whole idea is. So i can go with smile now... thanks! |
| 04:28.09 | dvs | no prob |
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| 04:28.27 | dvs | yw |
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| 05:03.59 | johntramp | hi is there an option i can put in /etc/network/interfaces to set wifi rate to 1M on boot? |
| 05:05.05 | johntramp | - or should I set it elsewhere? |
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| 05:20.02 | tensorpudding | If I force apt to install an i386 lib at a different version than the amd64 one I have, could that possibly cause problems? |
| 05:23.15 | zinx | tensorpudding: any time you force something, yes, it can cause problems. |
| 05:24.09 | tensorpudding | It seems all annoyingly complicated, this multiarch stuff |
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| 05:24.51 | tensorpudding | Installing something from one repo, I think the mozilla one, brought in a wheezy backport version of libsqlite3-0 |
| 05:25.06 | tensorpudding | Which is now blocking libsqlite3-0:i386 or something. |
| 05:25.11 | tensorpudding | Which I need to install skype. |
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| 05:28.02 | tensorpudding | Oh, I = 00:23:57 < tensorpudding> Which is now blocking libsqlite3-0:i386 or something. |
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| 05:28.08 | tensorpudding | err |
| 05:28.35 | zinx | doesn't sound like Debian to me |
| 05:28.58 | tensorpudding | I figured out how to make it downgrade it. |
| 05:29.06 | tensorpudding | So it works now. |
| 05:29.28 | tensorpudding | Not sure where the backport version of libsqlite3-0 came from though. |
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| 06:16.51 | nell | this is what happens when I try to vnc to my wheezy server running kde http://a.pomf.se/hkzsoz.png |
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| 06:18.53 | hans_henrik | nell, looks more like running plain x, or gnuscreen, or something? :p |
| 06:18.57 | hans_henrik | ummm |
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| 06:19.21 | hans_henrik | find -iname ".Xauthority" / |
| 06:20.15 | hans_henrik | wups |
| 06:20.16 | hans_henrik | i mean |
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| 06:20.29 | hans_henrik | nell, try find . -iname ".Xauthority" |
| 06:20.31 | hans_henrik | errr |
| 06:20.31 | hans_henrik | wron |
| 06:20.33 | hans_henrik | ff |
| 06:20.39 | hans_henrik | nell, try find / -iname ".Xauthority" |
| 06:20.39 | nell | o.o |
| 06:20.45 | hans_henrik | what do u get? .p |
| 06:20.46 | nell | via ssh ? |
| 06:20.49 | hans_henrik | yeah |
| 06:21.25 | nell | its running but nothing showed up so far |
| 06:21.37 | hans_henrik | well tell us when its dodne running |
| 06:21.38 | nell | oo permission denied |
| 06:21.54 | hans_henrik | aaaanyway, 07:21am, havent gone to sleep yet, |
| 06:22.09 | hans_henrik | pretty sure ill faint any minute now |
| 06:22.24 | nell | your name sounds quite aryan |
| 06:22.59 | hans_henrik | aryan? |
| 06:23.03 | hans_henrik | idk what that is |
| 06:23.14 | nell | is Xauthority a binary file |
| 06:23.25 | hans_henrik | yes |
| 06:23.34 | hans_henrik | and if its not, lets pretend it is |
| 06:23.50 | hans_henrik | and its .Xauthority, not Xauthority |
| 06:24.01 | nell | yeah the . |
| 06:24.06 | nell | I know it's importance, my b |
| 06:24.11 | nell | what do you want me do |
| 06:24.22 | hans_henrik | i want you to go sudo |
| 06:24.28 | hans_henrik | sudo find / -iname ".Xauthority" |
| 06:24.55 | nell | i did |
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| 06:25.02 | hans_henrik | oh kk |
| 06:25.07 | hans_henrik | and what did you get? |
| 06:25.16 | hans_henrik | or specifically, did you get more than 1 result? |
| 06:25.19 | nell | yes. |
| 06:25.23 | nell | I have backups |
| 06:25.24 | hans_henrik | very interesting |
| 06:25.26 | hans_henrik | oh |
| 06:25.28 | nell | one in root, one in home |
| 06:25.33 | nell | and some backups yeah |
| 06:25.41 | nell | Should I encrypt my backup ones |
| 06:26.10 | hans_henrik | umm, ignore that for now |
| 06:26.28 | hans_henrik | sounds like a totally different issue (wether or not u should encrypt ur backups) |
| 06:26.48 | hans_henrik | anyway, could u pastebin the results of the find ? |
| 06:27.01 | hans_henrik | (and run apt-get install pastebinit; :p ) |
| 06:28.03 | hans_henrik | nell, also run apt-get install x11vnc; |
| 06:29.18 | nell | dsf |
| 06:29.19 | nell | http://sprunge.us/RcCa |
| 06:30.09 | nell | does this have to do with the non-existent x server whenever it ry to vnc to my machine |
| 06:30.10 | hans_henrik | dsf? |
| 06:30.40 | nell | ? |
| 06:30.40 | hans_henrik | if you have a really fucked up vnc server, maybe, but i doubt it, idk |
| 06:31.39 | hans_henrik | nell, anyway, could u try sudo x11vnc -auth /root/.Xauthority |
| 06:31.57 | hans_henrik | then it should tell you what PORT its listening to, assuming it doesnt just throw some errors and quit |
| 06:32.00 | hans_henrik | then do like |
| 06:32.09 | hans_henrik | 8.8.8.8:PORT |
| 06:32.14 | hans_henrik | with ur vnc client |
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| 06:33.40 | Penix | you shouldn't be running an X session as root, which means you shouldn't be running x11vnc as root |
| 06:33.43 | hans_henrik | nell, and if that looks equally f*ed, quit the vnc serv nd do sudo x11vnc -auth /home/nell/.Xauthority |
| 06:34.00 | hans_henrik | Penix, i guess thats true, but this is for debugging :p |
| 06:34.30 | Penix | it's not going to 'debug' anything |
| 06:34.35 | nell | hmm |
| 06:34.50 | nell | it wont start vnc |
| 06:34.53 | nell | from ssh |
| 06:35.00 | nell | perhaps I gotta export display first |
| 06:35.31 | nell | how do I do that |
| 06:35.49 | Penix | nell: which vnc server are you running? (the one that originally caused what you see in your screenshot) |
| 06:36.02 | nell | vnc4server |
| 06:36.13 | hans_henrik | Penix, im trying to figure out if nell's vnc server is simply using the wrong xauth; so im gonna test all the xauths; if i dont run as root, id have to worry about wether or not nell has access to all the xauth's, thats why im running as root |
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| 06:36.22 | nell | connecting via xtightvncviewer |
| 06:36.36 | hans_henrik | anyway, 07:36 here, screw you guys, im going to bed |
| 06:36.44 | hans_henrik | err, i mean, good night folks, im going to bed* :p |
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| 06:36.55 | hans_henrik | (a south park joke, if u dont know it, nvm) |
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| 06:37.16 | nell | sweet dreams hans_henrik |
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| 06:37.17 | Penix | nell: are you trying to access an existing X session, or establish a new one upon connecting? |
| 06:37.27 | nell | access existing x session |
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| 06:41.31 | nell | I managed to vnc to my machine |
| 06:41.36 | nell | much lag. |
| 06:41.40 | Penix | nell: you can ssh in to the host and run 'x11vnc', which will launch a vnc server which has access to your user's current X session |
| 06:41.58 | Penix | nell: I've never used 'vnc4server', but it seems it may read ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 06:42.16 | Penix | which, I'm assuming, is similar to xinitrc or xsession |
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| 06:42.21 | nell | yes im using x11vnc but its formattd for 1080p |
| 06:42.27 | nell | while im on an itsy thinkpad |
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| 06:42.50 | Penix | nell: it will use the resolution of the remote host |
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| 06:45.17 | Penix | nell: based on your screenshot, you may be getting a 'raw' X session with no window manager. try creating ~/.vnc/xstartup. make sure the file is executable, and specify a window manager to be launched |
| 06:46.20 | Penix | the executable part may not be completely necessary |
| 06:46.24 | nell | its set to use gnome-session |
| 06:46.42 | nell | not sure what xsetroot -solid grey |
| 06:46.45 | nell | is |
| 06:47.16 | Penix | sets the wallpaper |
| 06:47.58 | Penix | nell: is gnome-session running on the host after you connect? does vnc4server have any log output? |
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| 06:51.01 | nell | dunno |
| 06:51.06 | nell | its not |
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| 06:51.23 | nell | kk yeah |
| 06:51.32 | nell | i can use vnc4server start new desktop vnc session |
| 06:52.26 | nell | i cant connect |
| 06:52.28 | nell | hm |
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| 06:58.27 | nevyn | nell: you need to run the desktop sharing stuff from the gnome session |
| 06:58.28 | nevyn | umm.. |
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| 07:04.17 | jerichowasahoax | In Gentoo, if I ran ncmpcpp in an xterm or equivalent, it would update the title bar with the artist and song name. In Debian, this behavior is absent. What do I need to do to bring this back? |
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| 07:29.25 | beast987 | Just wanted to say, I really like Debian so far :D . |
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| 07:35.24 | bytefire | hi im completely new to gnu/linux and trying to install debian. i have acer aspire v5-123 (amd processor) laptop. debian install from cd1 iso went through but there are two things missing: 1. no gui 2. no wifi. can someone help in getting the gui without wifi? thanks |
| 07:36.48 | peterrooney | !firmware images |
| 07:36.50 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 07:38.12 | peterrooney | bytefire: assuming a wired network connection, "apt-get install lxde" or "apt-get install kde-full" |
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| 07:38.55 | bytefire | thanks peterrooney. netinst asks for ethernet drivers but i have no clue which drivers to use. how can i find that out |
| 07:39.07 | peterrooney | bytefire: any familiarity with other unixen? |
| 07:39.30 | bytefire | not much. but im happy ot read up on some docs |
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| 07:41.01 | bytefire | i did run lpsci command to find all the drivers |
| 07:41.03 | peterrooney | bytefire: do you have a working wired network connection? If not, what kind of ethernet card and what kind of wireless does your laptop have? |
| 07:43.04 | bytefire | ethernet card: atheros. device 10a1 (rev01); wireless: atheros ar9565 (rev 01) |
| 07:43.52 | bytefire | dont have wired internet on the laptop yet. that's because i didnt choose any drivers for ethernet when asked during install |
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| 07:50.40 | peterrooney | bytefire: I don't know what that card might be; you may need the firmware images I had the bot mention. Or, one of the various default athXXXX drivers might be the right one. |
| 07:51.54 | peterrooney | bytefire: what does "lspci | grep Ethernet" tell us? |
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| 07:53.06 | bytefire | Ethernet controller: Atheros Communication Inc. Device 10a1 (rev01) |
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| 07:53.51 | peterrooney | bytefire: the entire line, please. |
| 07:53.57 | bytefire | i'll try those athXXXX drivers one by one. i did run amd64 netinst. it asked for ethernet drivers which i didnt know |
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| 07:54.33 | bytefire | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communication Inc. Device 10a1 (rev01) |
| 07:55.33 | bytefire | the line below it says following: |
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| 07:56.08 | bytefire | Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device 0834 |
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| 07:56.33 | peterrooney | bytefire: the next step is, "lspci -vvv -s 02:00.0" and don't paste the entire output here - if the kernel has a module for it, the last line should be "Kernel driver in use: _______" |
| 07:56.57 | bytefire | let me try |
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| 07:59.20 | bytefire | last line doesnt show Kernel driver in use. last line is Capabilities: <access denied>. |
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| 08:00.58 | bytefire | is there a way for me to try all those athXXXX drivers without going through the installation process? |
| 08:02.21 | bytefire | btw, when i tried ubuntu, i could get wifi working. does that mean drivers for wifi should be available? |
| 08:03.35 | bytefire | peterrooney i did find this link but cant understand what it means: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=107377 |
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| 08:05.23 | bytefire | i see now, first thing you need it ethernet working even before wifi or gui. |
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| 08:09.42 | bytefire | i'll try going through different ethernet drivers and see if any one of them works |
| 08:09.45 | z8z | Hello guys i need to use a c++ library i found for a commercial software but is not clear to me which license should it have to use it |
| 08:10.31 | peterrooney | bytefire: looks like it; except CD 1 should have a gui available (xfce, if I recall). I see from article that a newer kernel that what they were using was needed; what kernel versions do you have available? |
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| 08:11.50 | bytefire | re gui, when i run startx command, it comes back with fatal error saying no screens found |
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| 08:12.13 | bytefire | i have tried ctr+alt+f1 to f7 |
| 08:12.37 | bytefire | let me check kernel version |
| 08:13.04 | peterrooney | bytefire: so, you should be able to run "apt-get install xfce4" to get a more traditional GUI at least. |
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| 08:13.52 | bytefire | peterrooney: i'll try that |
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| 08:14.34 | bytefire | re kernel version it says 7.3.0 on installer |
| 08:14.56 | bytefire | is that what you meant by kernel version? |
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| 08:15.22 | peterrooney | bytefire: no, that is the version of debian. |
| 08:16.22 | peterrooney | bytefire: the kernel being used is given by "uname -r" for a short version, "uname -a" for the full version. |
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| 08:17.30 | bytefire | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 08:17.46 | bytefire | sorry about my pathetic knowledge. thanks for you patience |
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| 08:19.41 | peterrooney | whoops. |
| 08:19.45 | bytefire | running apt-get install xfce4 gives permission denied. it asks if iam root which i am. sudo doesnt work |
| 08:20.06 | neo1691 | Hey guys got some good news. I managed to convince my college to dump windows and install debian instead. They have given me one lab of 20 32 bits computers to setup debian and manage it myself. Hopefully I am upto the mark :) |
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| 08:24.35 | bytefire | sorry about the permission denied thing. i was logged in as a different user |
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| 08:24.41 | bytefire | now logged in as root |
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| 08:29.35 | neo1691 | I think I can install debian on all the 20 computers from one computer? Am I right? |
| 08:29.51 | ninja9k1 | of course you can |
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| 08:30.10 | ninja9k1 | tftp/dhcp and boot them all with some nifty preseed witchcraft |
| 08:31.12 | micah__ | that's awesome, neo |
| 08:35.05 | neo1691 | Well I am doing research for installing tomorrow. I don't want them to blame debian in any way. People are waiting to criticize me. |
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| 08:35.55 | ninja9k1 | better set up a virtual lab to work the kinks out first |
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| 08:36.25 | Eryn_684 | hello |
| 08:36.31 | neo1691 | ninja9k1, any definitve guide? I am reading the debian docs |
| 08:36.36 | neo1691 | I also see that there is something called as FAI |
| 08:36.48 | neo1691 | ninja9k1, Great suggestion. :) |
| 08:36.57 | me-1 | hi...is it safe to add last line in my source list..? http://paste.debian.net/72588/ |
| 08:36.58 | neo1691 | Virtualbox should do the trick! |
| 08:37.01 | ninja9k1 | http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/PXELINUX |
| 08:39.03 | Eryn_684 | can somebody help me with docbook? |
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| 08:39.22 | Eryn_684 | docbook V5 to be exsact, |
| 08:39.39 | Eryn_684 | exact? |
| 08:39.40 | Eryn_684 | lol |
| 08:39.54 | me-1 | is that last line safe..? http://paste.debian.net/72588/ |
| 08:40.11 | neo1691 | ninja9k1, Thanks. But it can well be possible that the computers has windows installed as host OS. Will it hinder in any way? |
| 08:40.15 | ninja9k1 | me-1: did you visit http://www.deb-multimedia.org? |
| 08:40.28 | me-1 | no |
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| 08:40.45 | ninja9k1 | neo1691: if you're doing a fresh overwrite, then no, as long as you don't care if it gets wiped out |
| 08:40.55 | ninja9k1 | me-1: then you probably should verify things before adding them. |
| 08:41.20 | me-1 | ninja9k1, I thought it was there for adding media codecs |
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| 08:42.00 | ninja9k1 | me-1: seems to be the case, but you should still verify that it's a legitimate source before you start downloading unverified packages to your system |
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| 08:42.32 | peterrooney | me-1: /msg dpkg frankendebian |
| 08:42.57 | neo1691 | I don't care anything about doze, not even the data :) Thanks for the help ninja9k1 |
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| 08:43.24 | ninja9k1 | neo1691: np and good luck. it's not difficult to get everything working with some tweaking. |
| 08:43.32 | me-1 | ninja9k1, should I remove it now from my source list |
| 08:44.25 | ninja9k1 | me-1: if you can't/don't want to verify the authenticity of the packages from that repo source, then yes, you should remove it. |
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| 08:45.11 | me-1 | ninja9k1, ok . thank you for the advice. TC |
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| 09:17.05 | bytefire | peterrooney: i tried all the ethernet drivers. none of them worked. may be i'll come back to it some other time after i've done a bit more reading. thanks alot for your help. |
| 09:17.47 | no_gravity | Good Morning! Is it possible to use the commands in .screenrc interactively, so i can try out what they do? For example "focusminsize 75 25". |
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| 09:23.58 | no_gravity | Ok, its C-a : |
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| 09:41.39 | visof | hello |
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| 09:44.38 | visof | i'm trying to rotate some file which at tomcat/logs, i did this logrotate /etc/my_logrotate.conf , then make tomcat request and the file changes, and do another logrotate /etc/my_logrotate with nothing i got that's my config http://sprunge.us/VXTj |
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| 09:44.43 | visof | can anybody help in this? |
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| 10:32.27 | shafire | hi |
| 10:32.45 | shafire | When I restart my network, I get 4x following error: RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 10:32.57 | shafire | I think, it's because of my ipv6 configuration |
| 10:33.04 | shafire | does someone know, how to solve it? |
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| 10:47.06 | Agiofws | hey guys... a kind of vague question here |
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| 10:48.01 | Agiofws | notbook compaq pressario HP was bought in 2008 what version of debian should i download 32bit or 64 ? |
| 10:48.09 | Agiofws | notebook* |
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| 10:49.29 | SaberX01 | Well, depends on your CPU and RAM .. is you have more than 4GB and your CPU supports 64bit, go that route, else, 32bit. |
| 10:49.38 | Agiofws | a notebook "compaq pressario HP" was bought/purchased in 2008 what version of debian should i download 32bit or 64 ? ( idon't have the actual notebook here with me) |
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| 10:59.49 | somiaj | Agiofws: most likely amd64 will work for you. |
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| 11:00.14 | somiaj | Agiofws: if you want to use 64bit vs 32bit is a personal preference, but you can double check if you can give us the cpu in the machine |
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| 11:03.51 | mr-seif | How to turn off num lock on startup in Linux ? |
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| 11:06.51 | berarma | mr-seif: isn't it a BIOS option? |
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| 11:08.11 | Agiofws | somiaj, unfortunately i don't have the machine here... |
| 11:08.16 | Agiofws | but thank you |
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| 11:09.15 | mr-seif | berarma, thank you |
| 11:09.24 | mr-seif | :) |
| 11:09.27 | babilen | Agiofws: It is always better to have access to the systems you are trying to fix. There is very little we can typically do if the person seeking support can't even answer the most basic questions pertaining to the problem. I'd suggest to come back later and keep the advice given so far in mind. |
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| 11:10.28 | Kuba | Merry Christmas! |
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| 11:11.16 | Kuba | I'm wondering if LXC is still "unsafe" in sid? http://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_413 |
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| 11:11.37 | Kuba | and is there any bug report for this one so I can track? |
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| 11:12.06 | babilen | Kuba: You might assume that Md filed a bug report about that. |
| 11:12.42 | Kuba | Md? |
| 11:12.53 | babilen | Kuba: Marco d'Itri |
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| 11:13.06 | Kuba | babilen: rigth |
| 11:13.17 | Kuba | babilen: thx |
| 11:13.24 | babilen | Kuba: (check the link you pasted, it's Md's blog) |
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| 11:14.07 | babilen | Kuba: It also doesn't seem to be too hard to reproduce the problem, but I would be surprised if it hasn't been fixed by now. A more detailed look at the BTS would be a good idea though. |
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| 11:32.50 | sashman | is anybody familiar with zfs? |
| 11:32.58 | Penix | yes |
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| 11:36.00 | Penix | yes |
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| 11:58.44 | S1kx | I got a little problem with screen and would appreciate some help: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/56790c2fdee28fe147d7 this is my custom .screenrc for starting 4 (or well, 2) instances of a program and showing it in 4 tiles, which works just fine, but I can't figure out how to build a screenrc/shell script that could re-attach to the session and split it the same way |
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| 12:01.14 | S1kx | seems I found the 'solution': https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/screen-users/2005-03/msg00013.html :( oh well |
| 12:01.44 | babilen | S1kx: You might want to ask in #screen too -- alternatively investigate the same setup but with tmux. /me has to run, but wishes you all the best |
| 12:01.58 | S1kx | thank you |
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| 12:22.06 | jarkko | where can i find some javascript guys? |
| 12:22.37 | Woet | probably ##javascript |
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| 12:53.05 | Zvpun | I have installed kdm and kde-standard but kde does not show up as session on the kdm login screen, what package do I need to install to have a kde session on the login manager? |
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| 12:56.10 | nkuttler | Zvpun: did you restart the dm? |
| 12:56.57 | Zvpun | nkuttler: yes: /etc/init.d/kdm start, I think I just miss the relevant file, since previously it used /usr/bin/gnome-session, but I cannot find the like of /usr/bin/kde{,-session}. |
| 12:57.18 | nkuttler | Zvpun: that wouldn't restart kdm though if it's already running |
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| 12:57.32 | nkuttler | but i was just guessing anyway, i'm a happy xdm user |
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| 13:07.23 | Lope | I've created a pvolume and a vgpool, then when I tried to create a lvolume I got an error saying "Clearing start of logical volume /dev/myvg/mylv: not found: device not cleared. Aborting. failed to wipe start of new LV. |
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| 13:09.33 | inkjetunito | hello. should users really drop their configuration files under /usr/share/xorg.conf.d/ in wheezy? |
| 13:09.38 | ghost75 | idea why gparted claims that 44gb of the 50gb partition is used but the filesystem and md device has only 25gb |
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| 13:11.42 | nkuttler | inkjetunito: um, no? why do you think so? |
| 13:11.52 | nkuttler | inkjetunito: or do you mean the sysadmin? |
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| 13:12.28 | inkjetunito | nkuttler: the sysadmin, yes. i'm used to having the config files under /etc, which is why i'm asking |
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| 13:14.45 | nkuttler | inkjetunito: odd, yeah. i put my own files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, never noticed there were some in /usr/ |
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| 13:15.39 | inkjetunito | nkuttler: my wheezy system doesn't have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
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| 13:16.44 | nkuttler | inkjetunito: xserver-xorg-core: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf |
| 13:16.52 | nkuttler | ew, wait.. |
| 13:17.02 | nkuttler | yeah, i might have created that by hand.. |
| 13:17.09 | Zvpun | inkjetunito: I think there is documentation which lists the places where X is looking for configuration. I would not be surprised if you can create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and it takes precedence overthe /usr one, but I am just guessing. |
| 13:17.24 | nkuttler | files there are certainly read |
| 13:17.50 | inkjetunito | thanks |
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| 13:18.11 | nkuttler | !xorg.conf.d |
| 13:18.12 | dpkg | xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf". |
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| 13:21.25 | inkjetunito | next question is, how does one change display settings under gnome3? |
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| 13:23.58 | Lope | I've created a pvolume and a vgpool, then when I tried to create a lvolume I got an error saying "Clearing start of logical volume /dev/myvg/mylv: not found: device not cleared. Aborting. failed to wipe start of new LV. all commands and output http://codepad.org/yX0XSxZ2 |
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| 13:25.40 | erore | I have a debian 7.2 media, how do I force installing this release? Whenever I install from this media, the system is updated to 7.3 during the install. One solution is to disconnect the internet. Is there another solution without having to disconnect the internet? |
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| 13:27.58 | nkuttler | erore: 7.3 is just a point releae, 7.2 is outdated |
| 13:28.39 | anoob | my debian testing, with razorqt, doesn't have minimize, maximize and close buttons ... |
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| 13:29.07 | erore | nkuttler: I need 7.2. 7.3 will not work with my software. |
| 13:29.31 | wols_ | erore: what part "doesn't work" |
| 13:29.53 | nkuttler | yeah |
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| 13:31.03 | erore | Simply 7.3 is not supported in the installer. Second, my question is how to install 7.2 nothing else. |
| 13:31.58 | wols_ | you don't answer our questions, we don't answer yours. fair's fair imho |
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| 13:34.18 | Lope | if I pass the -Z n flag then lvcreate will complete 'successfully'. but then I can't run mkfs on it. so that is kind of useless. |
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| 13:34.59 | erore | What is fair? I asked a question. If you do not know the answer, do not answer and do not try to offer an answer to a different question. That is fair. |
| 13:35.09 | jelly-home | erore: there is no way to install an older 7.x point release, if your software requires 7.2 the vendor doesn't know how debian releases work |
| 13:35.38 | jelly-home | erore: the question has incorrect assumptions |
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| 13:37.53 | jelly-home | Lope: that's higly unusual. Which kernel are you using? Is this some sort of a virtualized environment? |
| 13:38.21 | abrotman | would fix the installer |
| 13:38.36 | jelly-home | Lope: also, why are you not using the whole disk but a partition? |
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| 13:39.38 | Lope | http://codepad.org/wxD1OVDK |
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| 13:40.28 | Lope | Not a virtualized environment. oh, holy crap my kernel is old Linux mint 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.32-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:41.01 | Lope | jelly-home: I thought LVM needs to go on a partition. I want to be able to boot on this disk? |
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| 13:42.32 | jelly-home | Lope: oh, if it's supposed to be a boot disk making a partition and leaving space for a boot loader makes sense |
| 13:42.37 | nkuttler | erore: /msg dpkg snapshot, maybe you can do it with that. whatever you're trying to do is not supported in this channel though |
| 13:43.00 | jelly-home | Lope: what does dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r) say? |
| 13:43.09 | Lope | jelly-home: I thought I was being clever by installing linux mint LMDE (rolling release) |
| 13:43.17 | abrotman | Why doesn't the installer work on 7.3? |
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| 13:43.30 | Lope | my last install was linux mint 15 mate (based on ubuntu 13.04) |
| 13:43.33 | nkuttler | erore: or if you can find an outdated dvd set you could use that.. |
| 13:44.17 | Lope | my standard choice would be to upgrade to linux mint 16 mate. |
| 13:44.25 | jelly-home | Lope: sorry, I have no idea about LMDE specifics. Try installing Debian proper, this channel doesn't know what derivatives may have messed up |
| 13:44.30 | jelly-home | !lmde |
| 13:44.31 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 13:44.33 | jelly-home | !lvm |
| 13:44.33 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:44.51 | Lope | ii linux-image-3. 3.2.32-1 amd64 Linux 3.2 for 64-bit PCs |
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| 13:45.19 | Lope | maybe I should run a straight Debian. |
| 13:45.26 | abrotman | at least it would be supported here |
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| 13:45.36 | Lope | is it possible to install Mate on debian? |
| 13:45.39 | jelly-home | that's quite outdated, I'm not even sure if that was a legit Debian 7.x kernel |
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| 13:46.11 | abrotman | Lope: not at this point, but there are many other DEs available. |
| 13:46.14 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 13:46.15 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-trunk-686-pae (3.12.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-1); jessie: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.10-1); wheezy-backports: 3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.11.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 13:46.48 | abrotman | Lope: gnome3, kde4, xfce4, lxde .. the list goes on and on |
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| 13:47.02 | Lope | okay, I guess I'll install linux mint 16 mate. because I really like mate. |
| 13:47.15 | Lope | I find LXDE a bit crap, cinnamon is too slow |
| 13:47.26 | Lope | I haven't tried gnome 3 |
| 13:47.35 | ompaul | Lope: we don't need to know, you need to be on irc.spotchat.org not here |
| 13:47.37 | abrotman | right, MATE is based on a technology abandoned upstream .. but lxde is crap :) |
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| 13:48.08 | ompaul | or install debian and play with the various and many possible DEs and WMs |
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| 13:49.49 | Lope | can gnome3 handle multiple monitors nicely? |
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| 13:50.17 | ompaul | !TIAS |
| 13:50.17 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 13:50.24 | Lope | with mate you can add extra panels for your extra monitors, so each monitor has it's own unique panel and it's own unique window list |
| 13:50.36 | Lope | its quicker to ask a simple question? |
| 13:50.50 | ompaul | I don't use gnome 2 or 3 |
| 13:50.58 | Lope | what do you use? |
| 13:51.01 | ompaul | KDE |
| 13:51.05 | mtn | Lope: the proper place to find your info is the web. use a search engine, home pages for the desktops, etc. |
| 13:51.12 | Hassen | i knew thqt |
| 13:51.13 | Lope | I heard KDE is for noobs. well thats what Linus said. |
| 13:51.13 | ompaul | it can do most things you referred to |
| 13:51.16 | Hassen | *that |
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| 13:51.38 | ompaul | finds this insistence on the environment so funny, when it is the applications you want to run |
| 13:52.07 | ompaul | Lope: go troll somewhere else please |
| 13:52.11 | mtn | oh, no, it has to be just the right kind of pretty! shiny is good, too |
| 13:52.29 | Hassen | suddenly today,debian isn't starting ,after loading its stuff in textual mode,i get only a black screen |
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| 13:52.49 | mtn | Hassen: what did you do yesterday to make it this way? |
| 13:52.52 | wols_ | Hassen: then think about what you changed since yesterday |
| 13:53.12 | Lope | thanks guys |
| 13:53.14 | Lope | bye |
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| 13:54.14 | skrull | someone could help me with prosody+spectrum ? |
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| 13:56.08 | abrotman | skrull: you can ask here, but I've had really good luck asking the prosody channel directly |
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| 13:56.50 | Hassen | mtn, wols_ i didn't change anything,i remember that the laptop battery lost energy so the laptop shutted down suddenly |
| 13:57.02 | Hassen | but that often happenes with no problem |
| 13:57.23 | mtn | Hassen: you can be pretty sure something changed, and it didn't change by itself. look at your video drivers to start. |
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| 13:58.32 | skrull | abrotman, which is the prosody channel ? |
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| 14:01.56 | abrotman | skrull: I may have found them in #xmpp |
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| 14:04.06 | Hassen | i'm sure |
| 14:04.13 | Hassen | didn't even install anything |
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| 14:04.54 | Hassen | i was just watching videos in youtube,but yeah it happened before after uninstalling the flgx driver |
| 14:05.02 | wols_ | Hassen: so lets start fixing it. what videochip, what driver, when does the screen go black exactly,etc |
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| 14:05.22 | wols_ | "before after uninstalling " you need to make up your mind... |
| 14:05.39 | Hassen | wols_, after loading the startup drivers like wifi/BT/audio driver |
| 14:05.40 | mtn | heh |
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| 14:05.53 | Hassen | my gpu is ATI Mobility 3470 HD |
| 14:06.07 | Hassen | but then it gets stuck at a black screen |
| 14:06.23 | Hassen | can't even use the virtual terminal with ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 14:07.12 | wols_ | Hassen: so you did something after all: removing fglrx? |
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| 14:07.45 | maxiaojun | does debian provides cd images for sid? |
| 14:07.51 | wols_ | no |
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| 14:08.55 | Hassen | wols_, the fglrx isse is related to an old startup problem when i accidentally removed the fglrx driver,but this time is another issue |
| 14:09.01 | Hassen | *issue |
| 14:09.02 | maxiaojun | ok, the newest downloadable is testing? |
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| 14:09.45 | mtn | maxiaojun: you always want to start with stable and then upgrade. to run sid, you should be ready and able to find these things for yourself. |
| 14:10.39 | mtn | maxiaojun: if you don't want to dig in and figure things out by yourself, you don't want to run sid |
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| 14:11.03 | maxiaojun | if packages are going to be updated anyway, why start with older release |
| 14:11.04 | wols_ | Hassen: so which chip is used right now for video? |
| 14:11.24 | wols_ | maxiaojun: when you have to ask things like this you are not supposed to run sid |
| 14:11.44 | Hassen | wols_, excuse me , brb |
| 14:12.14 | touki | Hi, my computer is definitely hoter when I am running on debian, than on Windows 8. |
| 14:12.20 | touki | Any ideas how to deal with that ? |
| 14:12.57 | maxiaojun | wols_: i know sources.list(5) dude |
| 14:13.02 | abrotman | that's it? |
| 14:13.12 | mtn | touki: possible ideas: different video driver or different desktop |
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| 14:13.38 | touki | desktop: you mean gnome? |
| 14:13.59 | mtn | touki: that is a desktop, yes |
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| 14:14.51 | nkuttler | maxiaojun: things can be uninstallable in sid. hence install stable, all tools you need, then try to upgrade |
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| 14:16.12 | maxiaojun | the reason i want to run sid is that debian development mostly happens in sid, iiuc |
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| 14:17.00 | mtn | maxiaojun: info on running sid is available online and you should read and understand before doing anything else. |
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| 14:18.11 | abrotman | maxiaojun: are you looking to contribute, or just think you want to be on the bleeding edge? |
| 14:18.43 | maxiaojun | contribute |
| 14:18.49 | maxiaojun | is reading https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 14:19.16 | abrotman | maxiaojun: It should be noted, you can contibute from Jessie/Testing |
| 14:19.58 | abrotman | file bugs, test patches, validate current filed bugs still exist |
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| 14:21.03 | maxiaojun | i'm more interested in getting a few packages included though |
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| 14:21.25 | abrotman | walk before you run |
| 14:21.35 | abrotman | you can also develop in Unstable in a chroot, you don't need to run it as your desktop |
| 14:21.53 | maxiaojun | that makes sense |
| 14:22.42 | maxiaojun | is chroot suitable for desktop stuff, though? |
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| 14:31.47 | qkzoo1978 | can dpkg install zip packages? |
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| 14:34.54 | petn-randall | qkzoo1978: No. What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 14:35.36 | Hassen | anyway |
| 14:36.00 | Hassen | the thing is i get that black screen without any kind of text or a text cursor |
| 14:36.14 | Hassen | it appears after the boot screen |
| 14:36.26 | qkzoo1978 | theres a github project called mintinput I want to install, you can download the sources as a zip. |
| 14:36.52 | Tylertwo | qkzoo1978, 'unzip filename.zip' |
| 14:37.00 | Hassen | precisely after loading the drivers |
| 14:37.39 | qkzoo1978 | that will just unzip it right? |
| 14:37.48 | petn-randall | qkzoo1978: You have to unzip it, then compile the sources. But from the main page it looks like a configuration tool for Peppermint OS. |
| 14:38.17 | Tylertwo | yeah, and you'll want to make a dir for it first |
| 14:38.17 | qkzoo1978 | for peppermint, aka lubuntu |
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| 14:38.57 | petn-randall | qkzoo1978: I don't think it will be of much use if you're running Debian, it'll probably be missing a few other things. |
| 14:39.27 | qkzoo1978 | Pretty sure its just a wrapper for lxinput. |
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| 14:40.19 | qkzoo1978 | Guess I'll have to play with it and experiment ;) |
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| 14:59.26 | maxiaojun | typo |
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| 15:00.39 | DammitJim | do I need to restart something if I edit my logrotate.d/rsyslog ? |
| 15:00.42 | ghost75 | is the blocksize of md device exactly the same as partition size? |
| 15:01.49 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Depends on what you changed. |
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| 15:02.07 | jhutchins | DammitJim: If you just changed logrotate, it only runs once per day, so no. |
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| 15:02.38 | petn-randall | ghost75: Not necessarily. |
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| 15:03.16 | ghost75 | i dont know the value to enter in gparted in order to match the raid :> |
| 15:04.12 | petn-randall | ghost75: I'm not sure what you mean. What is your setup, and what would you like to do? |
| 15:04.39 | ghost75 | i shrinked md device and ext3 fs now i want to make partition smaller |
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| 15:06.48 | S0NiC_ | Hi |
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| 15:07.25 | DammitJim | jhutchins, thanks! Yeah, logrotate |
| 15:07.43 | DammitJim | I cannot say in logrotate /var/mail/local*.log { } |
| 15:07.44 | ghost75 | petn-randall: i create now test raid to see what is partition size and md size |
| 15:08.09 | DammitJim | right? I have to do /var/mail/local0.log, then /var/mail/local1.log, etc? |
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| 15:08.16 | DammitJim | sorry, not /var/mail but /var/log LOL |
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| 15:09.43 | thaicares | I have a thinkpad X201 Tablet that I'm trying to insall Debian on to, It isn't that I'm not able to finish installation but I finish with no wifi capabilities and NO boot loader... any help? |
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| 15:13.19 | ghost75 | petn-randall: partition is 96 blocks larger than mddevice |
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| 15:22.46 | thaicares | I have a password that has me logged out on a live usb... |
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| 15:22.59 | petn-randall | thaicares: Try 'debian'. |
| 15:23.01 | thaicares | what is debian's live password?? |
| 15:23.38 | thaicares | petn-randall "incorrect password" |
| 15:24.34 | thaicares | the namne of the default user is "Debian Live user" |
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| 15:25.16 | petn-randall | thaicares: google says it's 'live'. |
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| 15:25.43 | thaicares | yep, just found it on Google myself the first time I googled found nothing... |
| 15:25.47 | thaicares | live worked :D |
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| 15:31.38 | Hassen | :o |
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| 15:40.52 | pederindi | xfce4-power-manager generates white spaces on Debian 7.3 for notification area of lxpanel, i3bar, ... Anyone with this problem? |
| 15:41.02 | rvankleeck | I'm looking for an update server solution for debian (kinda like spacewalk or katello for rpm based distros). Any ideas? |
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| 15:41.17 | abrotman | rvankleeck: what do those programs do ? |
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| 15:41.46 | rvankleeck | abrotman: you register your server with katello or spacewalk and then have a central location from which to push out updates/packages |
| 15:41.58 | abrotman | sort of like puppet? |
| 15:42.10 | abrotman | judd: info apt-transport-spacewalk |
| 15:42.11 | judd | Package apt-transport-spacewalk (admin, extra) in wheezy/i386: APT transport for communicating with Spacewalk servers. Version: 1.0.6-2.1; Size: 8.3k; Installed: 90k; Homepage: https://fedorahosted.org/spacewalk |
| 15:42.11 | rvankleeck | kinda (i think katello uses puppet) |
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| 15:43.09 | rvankleeck | abrotman, I saw that spacewalk "supports" debian but that it wasn't really official and wasn't suggested for production environments. Do you have any experience with it? |
| 15:43.29 | abrotman | not a bit, I had to ask you what it was :) |
| 15:43.50 | rvankleeck | hoping for a mechanism that can show which servers need which updates, etc. |
| 15:44.04 | abrotman | apticron or cron-apt ? |
| 15:44.11 | abrotman | not quite the same thing |
| 15:46.44 | rvankleeck | I think we use something like apticron here (just started, so not completely sure). But then we have to go out and tell it to update. |
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| 15:47.38 | julius_ | hi |
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| 15:48.41 | petn-randall | rvankleeck: There is a check-apt for icinga/nagios that will do that job. |
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| 15:48.51 | julius_ | is there a way to copy a debian install image to a partition on drive and load it via grub? |
| 15:49.06 | rvankleeck | petn-randall, i'll look into that as well |
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| 15:51.25 | dvs | julius_: Why don't you boot from a live image ISO? |
| 15:51.37 | julius_ | no cd drive |
| 15:51.42 | julius_ | to lazy to attach one |
| 15:51.50 | julius_ | and i guess the board is to old to boot from usb |
| 15:52.48 | abrotman | dpkg: tell julius_ abouth hd-media |
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| 15:54.45 | Lope | I've just installed debian 7.1. there are hardly any packages available with it. |
| 15:55.15 | abrotman | Lope: your sources.list do not include an http source |
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| 15:56.41 | Lope | I tried to change my apt sources to deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free but it gave me this error : W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/Release Unable to find expected entry 'testing/source/Sources' |
| 15:57.24 | abrotman | Lope: pastebin your sources.list as they are currently, paste.debian.net please |
| 15:57.27 | Lope | sorry I meant I tried to change the sources to deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates testing contrib non-free |
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| 15:57.40 | DHX | Hello |
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| 15:57.42 | abrotman | that's definitely not right |
| 15:57.48 | abrotman | DHX: hello |
| 15:57.48 | Lope | main contrib non-free works. but testing contrib non-free does not work. |
| 15:57.56 | abrotman | Lope: which version of Debian are you trying to run ? |
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| 15:58.14 | Hassen | back |
| 15:58.18 | Hassen | hello's |
| 15:58.35 | Lope | I've just installex debian 7.1 x64 and done apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. I'm running SMP Debian 3.2.46-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:59.02 | spacebison | You'd need more than just the security repo. |
| 15:59.02 | abrotman | Lope: which version of Debian are you *trying* to run? |
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| 15:59.12 | Lope | abrotman: something modern |
| 15:59.13 | julius_ | abrotman, thx |
| 15:59.15 | DHX | I'm trying to upgrade my server from squeeze to wheezy but get this error: http://pastebin.com/UmskGc8q . I'm really not sure why I should re-add Lenny's sources while I already have squeeze. Any idea of why I get that ? |
| 15:59.16 | spacebison | Lope: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 15:59.17 | Lope | I want to run at least kernel 3.9 |
| 15:59.18 | Hassen | i was talking about the issue i've got here before,where i got a black screen after the boot & drivers charging phase |
| 15:59.19 | abrotman | Lope: that does not answer my question |
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| 15:59.24 | abrotman | spacebison: do NOT give out that uRL, it's not for people to sue |
| 15:59.35 | abrotman | Lope: ignore the URL that spacebison gave you |
| 15:59.36 | Hassen | now i use the recovery mode @ the terminal |
| 15:59.37 | abrotman | use |
| 15:59.55 | Hassen | in my main pc,and i connect here via another one |
| 15:59.59 | abrotman | Lope: that URL will likely break your system |
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| 16:00.02 | Hassen | so what to do ? |
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| 16:00.03 | Lope | abrotman: I want to run the latest version of debian that can provide me with a good desktop experience. I was under the impression that Debian 7.1 x64 would do that |
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| 16:00.12 | abrotman | Lope: so you want to run Stable? |
| 16:00.28 | Lope | no, I'd prefer to run testing |
| 16:00.34 | Lope | stable on debian is too old |
| 16:00.44 | abrotman | Lope: Testing is not a "stable" system, and may not be a good experience |
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| 16:01.27 | Lope | well, I'm used to running linux mint-mate which I believe runs on ubuntu's repos, which are derived from debian testing? (not entirely sure) that was a good experience. |
| 16:01.38 | abrotman | that's not quite true .. but it's your system |
| 16:01.43 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Lope about jessie sources.list |
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| 16:02.14 | Lope | its just that I broke my system, was running out of space and needed to repartition and I was running version 15 and 16 came out and I thought its time for a change. |
| 16:02.21 | abrotman | Lope: there is *zero* security support for Jessie/Testing currently. You'll get security fixes as they maintainer uploads new packages |
| 16:02.36 | abrotman | which may be timely, or not at all |
| 16:02.49 | DHX | Actually I still use the kernel 2.6.24.2-amd, which seems pretty old. That might explain a few things .. |
| 16:03.16 | Lope | alrighty. I don't mind running debian stable. but then I've got this problem of missing packages. |
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| 16:04.02 | Hassen | anyway to diagnose the startup issues in debian via the recovery mode's terminal? |
| 16:04.05 | Lope | now my sources list is main contrib non-free |
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| 16:05.20 | Lope | and for example krusader, thunderbird, xchat are missing from apt, (and probably many other programs I use) |
| 16:05.27 | Tylertwo | Lope, pastebin your sources.list? |
| 16:05.35 | abrotman | Lope: i asked you give minutes ago to paste your sources.list ,, which you still haven't done |
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| 16:05.54 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Lope about wheezy sources.list |
| 16:05.55 | Lope | okay I did paste the important line above, but I'll paste the whole thing, 1 sec. |
| 16:06.03 | abrotman | no, you didn't paste anyhting but a broken line |
| 16:06.09 | abrotman | that's not the whole file |
| 16:06.41 | Lope | http://codepad.org/ahxJGOzr |
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| 16:07.33 | abrotman | Lope: see what the bot gave you, it will give you the only two lines you need, you can remove everything else from the file |
| 16:07.48 | abrotman | sorty, three lines |
| 16:08.39 | Lope | the bot didn't include the lines for contrib and non-free though? |
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| 16:09.05 | ghost75 | eh the gparted removed on mdraid, cannot find any more md device |
| 16:09.15 | abrotman | Lope: you can add those if youw ant them, not everyone wants those .. you append them to each line |
| 16:09.36 | Lope | okay |
| 16:10.11 | Lope | I'm trying to open sources list with gedit but I get some error "could not connect to the session bus" |
| 16:10.17 | Lope | nano isn't pasting nicely. |
| 16:10.35 | abrotman | so don't paste, type it out |
| 16:10.41 | abrotman | it's only three lines |
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| 16:11.00 | Lope | hah, but I'd like to be able to gedit lines as root, I'm asking how to do it? |
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| 16:11.19 | abrotman | probably use sux or gksudo |
| 16:11.46 | Lope | how can I add myself to the sudoers file? |
| 16:12.50 | abrotman | notes this would be done already just typing it out .. |
| 16:12.59 | Lope | it's done |
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| 16:13.23 | Lope | turns out that when I pasted into nano it showed some variable with a dollar sign, and upon the next keystroke the whole string appeared. |
| 16:13.37 | Lope | okay now apt-get update is adding a LOT more sources. |
| 16:13.49 | Lope | so why does debian come with so many sources missing? |
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| 16:14.40 | Lope | what is the latest kernel for wheezy? I'd like to be able to run 3.9 or later. |
| 16:14.43 | abrotman | it doesn't,y our network didn't work at install time |
| 16:14.56 | abrotman | when your network functions, you get all the sources you need |
| 16:15.04 | abrotman | Lope: why do you need a newer kernel? |
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| 16:15.12 | Lope | displaylink devices |
| 16:15.26 | Lope | need kernel 3.9 to run nicely |
| 16:15.34 | jelly-home | there's 3.10 in wheezy-backports |
| 16:15.41 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 16:15.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-trunk-686-pae (3.12.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-1); jessie: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.10-1); wheezy-backports: 3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.11.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 16:15.57 | jelly-home | pardon, 3.11 |
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| 16:16.15 | abrotman | Lope: we'll show you how to setup backports later |
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| 16:16.25 | Lope | thanks guys |
| 16:16.29 | Lope | my apt-get update finished |
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| 16:17.14 | abrotman | and you did the safe-upgrade? |
| 16:17.15 | Lope | okay 69mb of upgrades to do |
| 16:17.22 | Lope | no I just started apt-get upgrade |
| 16:17.27 | Lope | it's busy running |
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| 16:17.52 | Lope | so I'm on kernel 3.2. how do I upgrade to 3.11? |
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| 16:18.07 | Lope | dist upgrade? |
| 16:19.40 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Lope about backports |
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| 16:22.30 | ghost75 | when i do dd if=/dev/sda of=/file bs=512 skip=1000 dont i restore it with dd if=/file of=/dev/sda bs=512 skip=1000 ??? |
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| 16:24.01 | pengunix | Hi |
| 16:24.27 | somiaj | ghost75: only issue I could see is could / be on sda as well so you are writting to the device you are copping |
| 16:24.59 | pengunix | The following: An interface is defined in /etc/network/interfaces. The device is made up then (ifup device). Alright, now some changes are made to /etc/network/interface to the device. The question is now: How to find out if the device has to be reloaded because the config is not in sync with device state anymore? |
| 16:25.05 | ghost75 | uhm no file is somewhere in /media |
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| 16:25.38 | abrotman | pengunix: look at the live configuration, compare, restart if necessary |
| 16:26.01 | Lope | I'm not finding thunderbird in the apt repos, is it not included? |
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| 16:26.05 | ghost75 | its saying: cannot skip to specified offset |
| 16:26.05 | somiaj | ghost75: also since /dev/sda might be your root filesystem, I'd remount it read-only or boot up off a livecd to ensure there is no writting to the device while you are doing teh backup |
| 16:26.08 | abrotman | Lope: icedove |
| 16:26.17 | abrotman | Lope: apt-cache search thunderbird |
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| 16:26.28 | ghost75 | somiaj: its already live |
| 16:26.38 | somiaj | ghost75: then you should be fine. (: |
| 16:26.53 | ghost75 | i want to restore zero superblock :< |
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| 16:27.07 | Lope | abrotman: could not find firefox either. okay I saw icedove. |
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| 16:27.46 | mtn | Lope: iceweasel is firefox |
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| 16:27.53 | abrotman | Lope: apt-cache search firefox |
| 16:27.55 | Lope | what's up with the names? |
| 16:27.57 | ghost75 | or is the offset already included in the dd file? |
| 16:28.01 | abrotman | Ask Mozilla |
| 16:28.14 | unick | ghost75: I joined very lately. From what I read, you might want to try using 'seek' while restoring onto its original position. Please make sure what I suggest is what you need to achieve. |
| 16:28.27 | tassmjau | hey, I'm having troubles loading xbm fontsets for icons in debian unstable... they're in my local font-dir but I cant use them, does anyone know what I need to get them to work? |
| 16:29.05 | Lope | abrotman: but thunderbird and firefox are available for linux? they're bundled with some other distros |
| 16:29.28 | abrotman | Lope: I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you to ask Mozilla why Debian uses different names |
| 16:29.53 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Lope about why iceweasel |
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| 16:31.12 | Lope | thanks guys |
| 16:31.56 | Lope | is it appropriate to ask gnome questions here, or rather #gnome? |
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| 16:32.45 | jelly-home | my observation is there are not too many gnome users willing to answer questions in here |
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| 16:35.26 | pengunix | abrotman: so there is no script / switch / whatever which can be directly/natively used in debian to sync the config with device state if necessary |
| 16:35.38 | pengunix | abrotman: how can I find out the live configuration of a given device? |
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| 16:38.16 | ghost75 | unick: seek seems to work but my raid is gone |
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| 16:41.10 | unick | ghost75: I don't want to assume it happened after my pointing out to that option. I did not even know your setup is raid or not; just wanted to point that option to your attention :/ |
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| 16:41.54 | ghost75 | unick: no it happened after i used gparted, it removed the superblock or something else |
| 16:42.16 | unick | ghost75: I hope you did not lose any critical data. Oh.. |
| 16:42.20 | ghost75 | i wanted to restore superblock with dd but did not work either |
| 16:42.31 | ghost75 | i still have the volume but with no raid |
| 16:43.03 | ghost75 | so maybe i create the raid now manually and copy data altough its root and for boot |
| 16:44.00 | ghost75 | with superblock version 1.2 the grub is installed on /dev/mdX instead /dev/sdX ? |
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| 16:44.24 | pengunix | anyone? |
| 16:44.58 | jelly-home | bueller? |
| 16:45.26 | pengunix | bueller? |
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| 16:45.41 | user777 | hello |
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| 16:46.12 | user777 | i'm stuck at a black screen after startup phase in debian |
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| 16:46.36 | user777 | in recovery mode,i couldn't figure out what to do in the terminal |
| 16:47.04 | jelly-home | pengunix: no, there's no ready tool to say "current configuration differs from /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 16:47.17 | unick | Honestly I don't use raid and could not readily figure out any raid issues. But what you think shouldn't need that much info, once you are sure your partitions are intact and you know their offset. |
| 16:47.36 | pengunix | jelly-home: ok, how can I get the complete live configuration for a device? or is this also only possible by complicated scripting? |
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| 16:48.23 | jelly-home | pengunix: not easily, but "ip a" and "ip r" ought to catch the basics |
| 16:49.15 | jelly-home | the output format is quite different from what you'd put in interfaces(5) |
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| 16:50.59 | pengunix | jelly-home: and it can't be simply harmonized, alright, thank you |
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| 16:51.36 | user777 | doh...is debinan an unstable OS or i'm imagining that? |
| 16:51.59 | Lope | Not enjoying gnome3 one bit. just gonna move back to mate. |
| 16:52.14 | mtn | user777: no, it isn't, but all distros can have problems. what video card are you using? |
| 16:52.49 | user777 | mtn:ati mobility radeaon hd 3470 |
| 16:53.07 | user777 | *radeon* |
| 16:53.12 | pengunix | always those graphic card drivers, last time there was an user enjoying his nvidia |
| 16:53.29 | mtn | user777: start here: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 16:55.15 | abrotman | Lope: you evaluated it for 10 minutes? |
| 16:55.20 | user777 | mtn:the thing is that i have already the ati non-free driver |
| 16:55.35 | user777 | but today i accidentally get a black screen at startup |
| 16:55.44 | mtn | user777: yes and maybe you need something else. read the link and see it it helps. |
| 16:56.02 | mtn | user777: oh, it worked ok yesterday? what did you change? |
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| 16:57.20 | Lope | the iceweasel in firefox seems a little outdated. only version 17 whereas the current version of firefox is 24 |
| 16:57.27 | Lope | is there any way to run a newer version? |
| 16:57.33 | user777 | i didn't install any package,i left the laptop on till getting shutted down from empty battery energy |
| 16:57.34 | abrotman | mozilla.debian.net |
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| 16:57.56 | user777 | but this morning,the issue started appearing |
| 16:58.00 | abrotman | Lope: there is no MATE for Wheezy that is supported. If you really want MATE, you'll have to use another distro |
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| 16:58.33 | abrotman | (or at least, not that we'd support) |
| 16:58.39 | Lope | yeah, there is this :) http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download |
| 16:58.52 | ghost75 | is a boot partition recommended? |
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| 16:59.15 | starfscker | Howdy |
| 16:59.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | ghost75: depends on your setup, but generally yeah |
| 16:59.19 | abrotman | Lope: that is NOT supported here, and mixing that into Wheezy will result in a system we don't support here |
| 16:59.26 | mtn | user777: I am guessing something changed with your vidoe drivers. follow the link and see if it fixes it. |
| 16:59.29 | ghost75 | depends on? |
| 16:59.32 | Lope | I was agreeing with you :) |
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| 16:59.46 | user777 | mtn:understood. |
| 16:59.48 | Okee | I recently installed DEbian, and now no one can hear me on voice over IP. What type of controls should I be checking so that this can be corrected? |
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| 17:00.34 | amartin | Okee, open the terminal, type alsamixer and put everything up |
| 17:00.43 | starfscker | okee, max everything out |
| 17:00.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | ghost75: whether you need GPT or if you're using certain filesystems and so on. It's rather easy to make one and you don't need to reserve a lot of space, why bother? |
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| 17:00.54 | starfscker | make sure they're all switched on, too. |
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| 17:01.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | ghost75: the upside is you have a bit of space you can cram a rescue system onto, if you need it |
| 17:01.26 | user777 | duh....i'll fix it later,i got an annoying ache in my eyes |
| 17:01.35 | mtn | Okee: alsamixer and/or pavucontrol and th sound settings for you app you are trying to use |
| 17:01.38 | starfscker | Does anyone here know more about how this nVidia driver works? |
| 17:01.38 | user777 | screw my eyes,they are not supporting me enough |
| 17:01.43 | darklight_ | Would you reccomend testing or sid for an everyday desktop from you personal experience? |
| 17:01.45 | abrotman | starfscker: taht's very vague |
| 17:01.45 | starfscker | It's not loading |
| 17:01.57 | ghost75 | rescue i load normaly from live cd |
| 17:01.59 | abrotman | darklight_: depends how familiar you are with fixing problems, but if you have to ask, definitely not sid |
| 17:02.01 | jimcooncat | I'm running squeeze and getting ready to upgrade a couple of computers. I want to prepare a multiboot USB, but the software requires gambas3 runtime. How can I resolve, please? |
| 17:02.10 | abrotman | darklight_: if you're new to Debian, possibly Stable |
| 17:02.13 | starfscker | I installed it as per the wiki, using the repositories as the source, and it isn't loading it. |
| 17:02.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | How hard can it be not to make dumb stuff like this on the latest debootstrap? W: Cannot check Release signature; keyring file not available /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg |
| 17:02.31 | starfscker | I think it's because it's trying to use nvidia_current instead of just nvidia, but I could be wrong abou that... |
| 17:02.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | highlights the W |
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| 17:03.11 | darklight_ | abrotman: I'm no deb master, but I'm not scared of using any nix system, fixing issues patching compiling or whatever, but I'd like to use something that doesn't require me to do it (or at least not that often) while still offering relatively new packages |
| 17:03.28 | abrotman | I think I've already answered your question |
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| 17:04.00 | starfscker | darklight_: don't worry about him, he's always like that. |
| 17:04.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | This makes me want to throw debootstrap away and move to something else that cares about security. |
| 17:04.23 | abrotman | worry about what? I answered his question. I don't need you to validate it |
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| 17:04.28 | starfscker | darklight_: I use it on my everyday desktop, have for about a year. |
| 17:04.44 | starfscker | Very few issues, until I decided to jump to amd64 |
| 17:05.08 | Okee | mtn> Everything is maxed out, but callers still can't hear me on Google Voice. Looks like there is another setting that I need to piddle with. Any idea what I should change? |
| 17:05.10 | starfscker | I think all the "oooh, it breaks stuff! It'll never be stable enough to use! everything will break all the time!" is just hype, but that's just me... |
| 17:06.04 | abrotman | starfscker: that's not for you to decide, and unless you're willing to support darklight_ every day, drop it |
| 17:06.17 | starfscker | abrotman, that's actually for *him* to decide. |
| 17:06.18 | amartin | Okee: be sure to switch to press F5 while in the alsamixer, and then see |
| 17:06.30 | starfscker | seeing as it's his machine |
| 17:06.32 | abrotman | starfscker: he's asking for advice. Sid *does* break. |
| 17:06.51 | abrotman | sometimes very badly |
| 17:06.52 | starfscker | i never said it didn't break. I'm saying it's not nearly as unstable as people like to put on |
| 17:06.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | Did debootstrap run any foreign code until I interrupted it on "I: Retrieving Packages"? |
| 17:07.11 | abrotman | starfscker: that's fine, it still fuicking breaks. Stop acting like it's all peaches and roses |
| 17:07.14 | starfscker | I know you live to tell people to never use sid, but he asked for personal experience in the matter, and my personal experience says that it's not that bad |
| 17:07.14 | Okee | amartin> I pressed F5 and it shows the master at 95 and the Capture at 100. |
| 17:07.37 | amartin | Okee: concentrate on "mic" stuff |
| 17:07.47 | abrotman | starfscker: again, unless you're willing to be here every day, stop advocating it. End of discussion. |
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| 17:09.29 | starfscker | are you okay? |
| 17:09.41 | ChibaPet | starfscker: Not to keep the conversation going, as it's largely pointless, but very specifically we recommend that folks who aren't familiar with Debian use Stable. It's not a question of whether Sid's usable or not at all, it's a question of whether the person wanting to run it has the right tools in their skillset. |
| 17:10.15 | Okee | amartin> Where is the "Mic" stuff? I don't see it. AlsaMixer says that I have a PulseAudio sound card, and the master is at 95 and the Capture is at 100. |
| 17:10.23 | Lope | how do you find the kernel backport for debian wheezy? http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy-backports&arch=amd64&searchon=names&keywords=kernel |
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| 17:10.31 | Lope | looking to run kernel 3.11 |
| 17:10.38 | abrotman | Lope: did you read the backports wiki the bot linked you to ? |
| 17:10.48 | ChibaPet | starfscker: The intent of this recommendation is to save pain both for the people running Debian and for the people volunteering to support it in here. |
| 17:10.56 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 17:10.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-trunk-686-pae (3.12.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-1); jessie: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.10-1); wheezy-backports: 3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.11.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 17:11.50 | amartin | Okee: what is your WM? |
| 17:11.52 | abrotman | Lope: backports.debian.org has instructions |
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| 17:12.40 | pbr500 | does kernel 3.10 come after 3.2? if not why's there such a big gap between wheezy and testing? |
| 17:12.51 | Okee | amartin> wm? What do you mean? |
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| 17:12.59 | abrotman | pbr500: they are largely different versions of Debian |
| 17:13.05 | amartin | Okee: what is your desktop? |
| 17:13.17 | amartin | Okee: gnome, kde, xfce.. |
| 17:13.42 | Okee | amartin> Desktop is XFCE. I got rid of gnome3 (default). It was terrible. |
| 17:13.45 | pbr500 | abrotman: probably to someone who knows more than i do. i have 3.2 and 3.10 from wheezy backports and when i log into 3.10 i can't tell the difference. |
| 17:13.56 | Lope | abrotman: thanks, I missed something, think I'll get it working. |
| 17:14.05 | abrotman | pbr500: that's the idea, things aren't supposed to break. They should get better as releases progress |
| 17:15.15 | pbr500 | abrotman: so i noticed you don't advocate testing or unstable, but would you advocate kernel 3.10 from backports to people using wheezy? |
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| 17:15.40 | ChibaPet | pbr500: If you have a reason to use it, then use it. If not, then don't. :) |
| 17:15.41 | jimcooncat | So I have gambas3-3.5.1.tar.bz2, how do I go about installing it? Or should I get a wheezy .deb? |
| 17:15.46 | amartin | Okee: try to install: pavucontrol |
| 17:15.59 | amartin | Okee: and turn everythink on |
| 17:16.02 | abrotman | pbr500: some people need it, but if you don't, there's no reason |
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| 17:16.43 | pbr500 | abrotman: makes sense |
| 17:16.48 | abrotman | pbr500: I'm okay with some people using unstable, and a more experienced user using testing. But if you're new, Stable will be enough work as it is. Debian is less auto-magic than other, more newb-friendly distros |
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| 17:17.09 | abrotman | jimcooncat: i thought gambas was packaged? |
| 17:17.42 | abrotman | it is |
| 17:18.13 | Okee | amartin> Ok, I installed it, and adjusted the microphone. I am going to do a test with another call. Back in a few minutes. |
| 17:18.22 | amartin | Okee: oki |
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| 17:19.15 | pbr500 | abrotman: ya, i have a coworker who is wanting to switch to linux and i considered giving him pure debian with xfce but the more i think about it maybe i should give him linux mint debian edition. it's still debian under the hood but newbie friendly |
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| 17:19.55 | abrotman | pbr500: depends how well they do with learning and self research |
| 17:19.58 | jimcooncat | abrotman: squeeze has gambas2, I need a gambas3 runtime, hence my problem. |
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| 17:20.02 | abrotman | pbr500: Debian was my first distro |
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| 17:20.09 | abrotman | jimcooncat: wheezy has gambas3 :) |
| 17:20.34 | jimcooncat | abrotman: yes, but I'm on squeeze. can I install a wheezy package? |
| 17:20.43 | abrotman | not likely |
| 17:21.02 | abrotman | jimcooncat: why haven't you upgraded to wheezy yet? |
| 17:21.12 | amartin | pbr500: it depends if he wants to learn linux deeply or just in general. If in general, then Mint might be a better solution |
| 17:21.24 | pbr500 | abrotman: i started out with linux mint ubuntu and switched to debian after 6 months. i love it |
| 17:21.44 | Okee | amartin> No one can hear me. So there must be another control that needs to be configured. I recall going through this once before, and had to adjust the protocol for the card, but I don't know where to find that in XFCE. In Cinnamon it wasn't so hidden. |
| 17:21.53 | pbr500 | amartin: he's a curious guy. i think he'd eventually be comfortable with debian |
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| 17:22.08 | jimcooncat | abrotman: I had an x windows error on my last attempt. I'm getting ready to try again, but thought I'd make a multi-distro USB before I started. |
| 17:22.24 | abrotman | uh ok |
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| 17:22.47 | amartin | pbr500: if yes, the by own means, give him the Debian ;) Especially if he can count on you if there is a problem :) |
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| 17:23.45 | amartin | pbr500: but please, don't make decisions like this for your buddy. Just ask him if he wants to learn a lot or just use it for web browsing, email, etc.. |
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| 17:23.53 | pbr500 | amartin: i'll point him to this channel if he has problems lol |
| 17:24.19 | amartin | pbr500: yeap, this might work :) |
| 17:25.14 | ghost75 | on which location do you have swap, on beginning? |
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| 17:27.12 | amartin | Okee: I'm not using xfce, but when I used to have a problem with it, alsaconfig usually helps. Pavucontrol is great if you're using pulseaudio. But please remember, that sometimes, like skype, will start to work after you restart it (when changes made) |
| 17:27.31 | Okee | amartin> I found the configuration control for the card, but not sure which one I should be using. It is currently set tot CMI8738/CMI8768 PCI Audio "Analog Stero Duplex". |
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| 17:28.00 | Okee | There is a long list in a drop down menu. I recall having to do this once before when I installed another distro of linux. |
| 17:28.48 | amartin | Okee: you can swap audio cards in alsaconfig. And then turn on all the settings |
| 17:28.53 | amartin | Okee: play with it |
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| 17:30.45 | amartin | ghost75: you can put it wherever you want |
| 17:30.59 | ghost75 | yeah sure |
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| 17:32.12 | homecable | whats a good useable light desktop for a netbook |
| 17:32.19 | ghost75 | boot partiton 250mb enough? |
| 17:32.22 | koollman | ghost75: yes |
| 17:32.40 | abrotman | homecable: lxde works well for me |
| 17:33.02 | ghost75 | should i use superblock version 0.9 or 1.2 on boot ? |
| 17:33.18 | jhutchins | ghost75: Choose the default. |
| 17:33.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, looks like dpkg might be at fault here. Great. :( |
| 17:33.28 | ghost75 | default is 1.2 |
| 17:33.40 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: for the GPG signatures? |
| 17:33.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: yeah |
| 17:34.22 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: is there a method to have debootstrap ignore the gpg warnnings? I know there is with apt, not sure if deboostrap has that ability |
| 17:34.32 | homecable | abrotman what speed netbook |
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| 17:34.48 | abrotman | homecable: like four years old. 1GB RAM, Atom N270 maybe? |
| 17:34.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: no, there should be an option, not an insane default :) |
| 17:35.12 | homecable | ah |
| 17:35.22 | abrotman | homecable: should note it has a SSD in side |
| 17:35.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: oh, sorry, there is: --no-check-gpg |
| 17:35.24 | abrotman | inside |
| 17:35.24 | homecable | did u do the core install |
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| 17:35.30 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: might that work for you ? |
| 17:35.39 | abrotman | homecable: yes, simple Xorg and LXDE install |
| 17:35.44 | amartin | homecable: lxde is usually a good option, it's light |
| 17:35.47 | homecable | what u use for the wifi |
| 17:35.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: that only works if you have a key and it fails to check the retrieved release |
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| 17:36.24 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: are you sure? |
| 17:36.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: work how? I was complaining debootstrap almost ran arbitrary code it downloaded after printing a mere warning :) |
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| 17:36.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | hello everyone |
| 17:37.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: yes, I remember it does error out, just not if you don't have the keyring in place |
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| 17:38.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | Eryn_1983_FL: hi |
| 17:38.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | I am looking for help with docbook 5 |
| 17:38.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | I am trying to create a manual for my collection of software and tools I use on my network. |
| 17:39.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there specific software or editors i should use in debian? |
| 17:39.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | I am so confused on the style sheets and what to put at the top of my document |
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| 17:40.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | Also what renderer should i use in debian ? |
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| 17:41.18 | abrotman | renderer of what? |
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| 17:42.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | like saxon or what ever it is |
| 17:42.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | thats the name of the app |
| 17:42.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: ah, my bad... it looks like debootstrap does the check, calling gpg, indeed. |
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| 17:42.58 | socomm | lol that screen name |
| 17:43.11 | socomm | Eryn_1983_FL: you should include your social security # in your screen name as well |
| 17:43.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | socomm: if you ask me we should have UUIDs :P |
| 17:43.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | how about the exchange as well |
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| 17:44.03 | socomm | Eryn_1983_FL: what are you asking? |
| 17:44.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | if i only knew what to ask sometimes |
| 17:44.25 | socomm | docbook5 nevermind |
| 17:44.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | I am trying to learn docbook v5 and its slow going. |
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| 17:44.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | that bad eh? should i just shoot my self? |
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| 17:45.05 | socomm | Eryn_1983_FL: there is a #docbook channel on this network, you could always start there |
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| 17:45.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | Eryn_1983_FL: docbook itself would render to PDF or whatever else, and you can read that |
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| 17:45.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | oh and I was told its NOT CODE! ... I think they lie personally |
| 17:45.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | socomm: they ignore more. |
| 17:46.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | its the xslt processor that was throwing me really Eduard_Munteanu |
| 17:46.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | socomm: the ignore me .. |
| 17:46.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | Eryn_1983_FL: you can use an XML editor or some docbook-oriented editor |
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| 17:47.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | any suggestiongs Eduard_Munteanu ? |
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| 17:48.33 | socomm | Eryn_1983_FL: there is a docbook 5 book, by orielly |
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| 17:48.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | Eryn_1983_FL: vim or emacs should have some XML plugin, in the latter case it can even use DTDs to allow completion and checking of what you type. |
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| 17:49.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | Eryn_1983_FL: if you want a WYSIWYG editor, then I don't know :/ |
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| 17:50.00 | thaicares | I was here earlier with out a boot loader - that problem was solved but I still have no wireless connection! I followed some instructions for obtaining the package from here http://blog.josefsson.org/2010/10/25/debian-on-lenovo-x201/ |
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| 17:50.28 | thaicares | It didn't work so I tried other trouble shooting things I could from different places and I don't know what to do... |
| 17:50.47 | mtn | thaicares: did you use the debian wireless wiki to find your card and driver? |
| 17:50.50 | thaicares | after the package is placed in /lib/firmware what do I do? |
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| 17:51.33 | thaicares | mtn... yes |
| 17:51.37 | wols_ | thaicares: you reload your wlan module. or you just reboot |
| 17:51.51 | thaicares | how would I do a reload? |
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| 17:52.04 | wols_ | thaicares: you should have ignored this howto since it's for an old debian version and should just installed the firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free |
| 17:52.07 | wols_ | !iwlwifi |
| 17:52.08 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>. |
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| 18:02.13 | pupil | hello, guys |
| 18:02.34 | pupil | wich oon is better, fglrx or radeon? |
| 18:02.57 | bazhang | for what |
| 18:03.00 | pupil | Which one is better, using fglrx or using radeon as display driver? |
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| 18:03.14 | thaicares | awesome! |
| 18:03.27 | thaicares | I'm coming to you all NOW wireless :D |
| 18:04.02 | pupil | good for you thaicares |
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| 18:04.21 | thaicares | thank you all |
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| 18:05.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | pupil: what are you using your computer for? |
| 18:06.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | pupil: and what GPU do you have? |
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| 18:07.24 | pupil | Eduard_Munteanu: mainly for programming and virtualization |
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| 18:07.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | pupil: unless you want full, fast support for 3D stuff, radeon is preferable |
| 18:07.57 | pupil | i'm using AMD A4400, VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Trinity [Radeon HD 7520G] [1002:9990] |
| 18:07.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | pupil: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
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| 18:09.12 | pupil | what about for general purposes linux laptop?? |
| 18:09.24 | pupil | i'm reading few articles from phoronix now |
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| 18:09.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | pupil: that too... radeon is quite decent nowadays |
| 18:10.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | Even for games, even if generally slower than fglrx. |
| 18:11.19 | pupil | i'm using radeon now, |
| 18:11.36 | pupil | is there a tools like amdccle for radeon?? |
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| 18:12.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | pupil: not quite... there's 'driconf' though |
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| 18:13.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | pupil: anything in particular you want to adjust / configure? |
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| 18:14.34 | pupil | actually just simple color, brightnest, gamma, etc and screen management |
| 18:14.54 | pupil | the screen maangement is taken care by display though |
| 18:17.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | pupil: if you need to set color profiles there's argyllcms and perhaps a few more. As for brightness/contrast I'm not sure, but in many cases it makes sense to set them on your display directly. |
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| 18:18.53 | sarkis | any major advantage to partitioning out a home server? i was thinking just throw everything on one partition and be done ;) |
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| 18:19.13 | sarkis | at least for the OS HD, i will have other RAID HDs for data |
| 18:19.20 | abrotman | sarkis: same as any other reason to partition. |
| 18:19.32 | abrotman | If you'll have the important bits elsewhere, you should be good |
| 18:19.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | It depends on the filesystem, I'd say. |
| 18:19.43 | v4nelle | guys where can i find minidlna for debian testing?there is only on stable and sid |
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| 18:20.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | sarkis: you're going to have a separate HD for the OS? That sounds wasteful. |
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| 18:20.57 | Leif_ | Hello, mysql database will not start: [FAIL] Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
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| 18:22.11 | abrotman | Leif_: what did you change? |
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| 18:26.34 | Leif_ | abrotman: Nothing.. I'm running a wordpress site on this VPS and it was running fine the other day. I didn't make any changes. Now it's coming up with "Error establishing a database connection" ..I didn't make any changes between then, just viewing the site |
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| 18:27.47 | abrotman | Leif_: did you check the MySQL logs? |
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| 18:29.58 | socomm | Leif_: check your database users, and make sure your wordpress database is still present |
| 18:30.25 | socomm | check that your mysql wordpress user still exists, and that your wordpress database is present and not corrupt |
| 18:30.34 | sadbox | Leif_: Maybe unlikely, but I couldn't connect to mysql when I ran out of room on the volume |
| 18:30.45 | sadbox | Because I was silly and left the qwery log enabled for a week |
| 18:30.51 | sadbox | query** |
| 18:31.10 | Leif_ | okay, let me check |
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| 18:32.24 | Leif_ | abrotman: yes, they are empty |
| 18:32.38 | socomm | Leif_: logs shouldn't be empty :^/ |
| 18:32.42 | teraflop | Leif_: on vps? try that: stop mysqld service; mv /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock (or where the sock is ) /wathever/mysql.sock.bak and start mysqld |
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| 18:32.47 | abrotman | Leif_: and if you try to start mysqld manually ? |
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| 18:33.52 | socomm | why would you need to backup mysql.sock :^/ |
| 18:34.23 | teraflop | omit if you want |
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| 18:38.20 | Leif_ | socomm: Well I can't check the users because: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
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| 18:39.52 | Leif_ | Because the point is I can't connect to the database.. everything else.. all the files and configurations are correct and I didn't change anything |
| 18:39.53 | teraflop | Leif_: try stopping mysqld moving out mysql.sock an start mysqld again |
| 18:40.04 | Leif_ | teraflop: okay hold oin |
| 18:40.16 | Leif_ | Err it is stopped already |
| 18:40.23 | teraflop | stop anyway |
| 18:40.26 | Leif_ | okay |
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| 18:44.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | Should I include patches inline or attached, in bug reports? |
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| 18:45.00 | Gilbert_ | Hi, just did a dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy - what are the risks of rebooting? I'm remote 1 1/2 hours away from my servers - is there anyway to check things before so not have any access to the server remotely |
| 18:45.06 | Gilbert_ | we don't have a console access |
| 18:45.46 | abrotman | did the new kernel and udev and friends get installed? |
| 18:46.02 | wols_ | and did grub show anything it didn't like? |
| 18:46.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | Gilbert_: you could try booting the machine in a VM as readonly / snapshot storage. |
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| 18:46.57 | iceroot | Gilbert_: check /etc/fstab, check if grub-install was successful, check dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii | grep -v ^rc |
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| 18:47.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | (On the same machine, that is. Should be safe if you never commit the changes to the underlying storage.) |
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| 18:48.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i am back peeps |
| 18:48.36 | dvs | hides |
| 18:48.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | I am trying to do links in my docbook 5 stuff, |
| 18:48.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | <link:href="https://www.thrace.lan"> </link> is that valid? |
| 18:49.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | also do i need to use inline elements? its very annoying if i have to |
| 18:49.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | and yes i asked in #docbook |
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| 18:50.31 | Leif_ | teraflop: mysqld.sock doesn't exist |
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| 18:51.28 | Leif_ | I think that's the whole problem |
| 18:51.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i removed the : crap and made link href |
| 18:51.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | ignore me till next time then lol |
| 18:52.24 | pkkm | hi. is the debate over using upstart vs systemd in the next debian release settled? if so, what's the result? |
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| 18:53.30 | abrotman | pkkm: see the debian-ctte mailing list |
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| 18:54.20 | KaaK | Had a very interesting crash on an embedded arm box running debian. Anyone ever experience binary garbage in /var/log/syslog at the time of a reboot? |
| 18:54.21 | mjt | there hasn't been a "upstart vs systemd" debate afiacs, but more general "init system" debate. fwiw |
| 18:54.41 | mjt | KaaK: that's rather typical depending on the filesystem |
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| 18:56.53 | KaaK | mjt: ext3. Any good ways for tracking down a root-cause? Or is it something of a rabbit hole? |
| 18:56.59 | mjt | ghrm. so, native mtp client has been integrated in gvfs 1.15. jessie has gvfs 1.16, which should have it. Wheezy has 1.12 which doesn't. Trying to rebuild/backport gvfs to wheezy - it wants lots of other deps from jessie too... |
| 18:57.06 | teraflop | Leif_: still the same error? |
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| 18:57.32 | mjt | KaaK: the root cause is lack of barriers usually |
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| 18:57.54 | mjt | KaaK: plus lack of data=ordered|journal |
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| 18:58.08 | mjt | KaaK: it isn't arm-specific, it is filesystem specific |
| 18:58.50 | mjt | judd has a way to quick-verify backporting possibility for a package, anyone remember how to use it? |
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| 18:59.44 | P4 | Hello |
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| 18:59.54 | P4 | anybody successfuly built ZThreads on debian? |
| 18:59.58 | KaaK | mjt: yep, barriers=0. Are there any good arm linux tools for working through kernel/system crashes? Most of my searching seems to be x86/amd64 specific. |
| 19:00.04 | P4 | seems it does not provide required files |
| 19:00.13 | mjt | KaaK: no idea sorry |
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| 19:00.34 | KaaK | mjt: no worries, thanks for the input |
| 19:00.49 | Leif_ | teraflop: yes |
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| 19:01.40 | teraflop | try to erase the .pid file too Leif_, ensure mysqld is stoped before moving sock & pid files out |
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| 19:01.58 | socomm | Leif_: if the .sock file doesn't exist, there is chance mysql isn't running |
| 19:02.11 | socomm | Leif_: try starting the service |
| 19:02.38 | Leif_ | mysql isn't running |
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| 19:03.44 | socomm | Leif_: ok, so it seems someone or something stopped the service using the init.d script |
| 19:03.53 | socomm | Leif_: run 'service mysql start' |
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| 19:05.24 | malinus | Hello. I don't even know where to start. But in short I can't install many things from .deb because I get dependencies problems - lib6 seems to be the biggest problem |
| 19:05.25 | Leif_ | No, I did.. that was my original complaint |
| 19:05.30 | Leif_ | socomm: [FAIL] Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
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| 19:06.17 | socomm | Leif_: check your logs, it'll tell youw hy mysql couldn't start |
| 19:06.25 | Leif_ | the logs are empty |
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| 19:06.28 | malinus | I'm assuming the packages debian is using are just very very old? |
| 19:06.34 | socomm | Leif_: they should not be empty |
| 19:06.37 | malinus | Not sure where to start to solve this |
| 19:06.40 | Leif_ | I know |
| 19:06.49 | Leif_ | They shouldn't |
| 19:07.37 | teraflop | Leif_: ps shows mysql processes? |
| 19:07.39 | socomm | malinus: stick to installing with apt-get. you should only use dpkg if you know what you're donig |
| 19:08.04 | socomm | s/donig/doing/ |
| 19:08.06 | Leif_ | teraflop: no |
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| 19:08.10 | Leif_ | Cause it's not running |
| 19:08.16 | socomm | Leif_: 'ps auxf | grep mysql' |
| 19:08.25 | teraflop | did you checked tah? |
| 19:08.33 | malinus | socomm, well I want newest wine and to use steam. Is that something beyond normal usage on debian? |
| 19:08.43 | socomm | Leif_: run 'mysqld' directly, that should give you program output directly on your console |
| 19:09.04 | socomm | malinus: normal is relative |
| 19:09.16 | Leif_ | I'll pastebin that, because apparently it looks like it's having difficulties writing files |
| 19:09.37 | socomm | Leif_: what does 'df -h' give you? |
| 19:09.49 | teraflop | uhm |
| 19:09.59 | malinus | socomm, so yeah - that's obviously not possible with apt-get. Since steam is obviously not there, and the wine from 4 versions ago, isn't something I can use I'm afraid. |
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| 19:10.26 | socomm | malinus: AFAIK steam is fully supported on Ubuntu, you could always try that |
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| 19:10.56 | malinus | socomm, are you seriously saying that you would recommend switching distribution. Well thank you #debian :| |
| 19:11.00 | socomm | Leif_: you are doing all this a super user, right? |
| 19:11.14 | malinus | wow |
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| 19:11.40 | socomm | malinus: if you wanna use bleeding edge software and use steam, Ubuntu would be better suited for you |
| 19:11.49 | socomm | right tool for the job |
| 19:11.50 | sadbox | iirc steam is in the repos for jessie+sid |
| 19:12.29 | malinus | haha |
| 19:12.58 | abrotman | you can use steam on Wheezy also |
| 19:13.06 | Gilbert_ | abrotman: how can I tell ? |
| 19:13.11 | abrotman | tell what? |
| 19:13.18 | Leif_ | socomm: yes, that's the weird thing. Look: http://pastebin.com/tpJRY34E |
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| 19:13.28 | Leif_ | Also, teraflop: http://pastebin.com/tpJRY34E |
| 19:13.32 | Gilbert_ | wols_: not that I can see where should I check? |
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| 19:14.15 | malinus | abrotman, I just stick to using debian for server only. Even the community seems to admit that's what it's only suitable for |
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| 19:14.24 | sadbox | malinus: I wouldn't really say that |
| 19:14.26 | Gilbert_ | Eduard_Munteanu: how to convert the machine to a VM - we have vmware on another machine |
| 19:14.35 | teraflop | ok Leif_ |
| 19:14.46 | abrotman | malinus: I'm part of that community, and strongly disagree |
| 19:14.47 | sadbox | Jessie (imho) is more along the lines of what I expect from something like ubuntu |
| 19:14.59 | abrotman | malinus: I'd never use Ubuntu, there's no reason |
| 19:15.08 | mtn | malinus: I have used debian on the desktop for over 15 years, so... |
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| 19:16.04 | socomm | malinus: for your skill set I think Ubuntu would be a better fit |
| 19:16.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | Gilbert_: don't, I was suggesting running the existing system in a VM on the same machine, e.g. KVM |
| 19:16.31 | Gilbert_ | oh is it easy? fast ? |
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| 19:17.10 | socomm | Leif_: can you touch a regular file in /var/lib/mysql? By touch I mean create a regular file. |
| 19:17.17 | teraflop | Leif_: seems to be a permissions issue |
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| 19:17.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | Gilbert_: yep, should be as easy as kvm -drive /dev/sda1 -snapshot -m 256 -curses |
| 19:17.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | Do not forget -snapshot |
| 19:18.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | Gilbert_: er, replace -drive with -hda |
| 19:18.48 | Gilbert_ | Eduard_Munteanu: how do you access the virutal macine - it will have the same IP |
| 19:19.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | Gilbert_: you just want to see it boots and ssh is running |
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| 19:19.51 | malinus | socomm, how in the world, would you know anything about my skill set. also what makes you think ubuntu requires a lower skill set? The current DE they use? You also sound like the cancer of the whole linux community with your patronizing and elitelistic point of views. Maybe you should switch to arch? |
| 19:19.55 | Gilbert_ | but it will it use the same ip and cause a problem |
| 19:20.05 | malinus | you would be a great fit to arch |
| 19:20.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | Gilbert_: no, by default kvm creates a virtual network totally separate from your real eth devices |
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| 19:20.39 | Gilbert_ | cool |
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| 19:20.52 | socomm | malinus: uh, you can't even figure out how to install a .deb package ... |
| 19:20.54 | Leif_ | socomm: no, somehow it's read only |
| 19:20.59 | Leif_ | I didn't do that |
| 19:21.05 | teraflop | ehm, malinus install whtever you want, but dont blame a distro for not doing what you want |
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| 19:21.39 | socomm | Leif_: strange, you could always chmod the directory |
| 19:21.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | "Gilbert_: -snapshot Write to temporary files instead of disk image files. In this case, the raw disk image you use is not written back. You can however force the write back by pressing C-a s." |
| 19:21.39 | teraflop | Leif_: thats weird |
| 19:21.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | Er, Gilbert_ |
| 19:21.48 | Leif_ | that is weird |
| 19:21.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | Avoid hitting that C-a s combo though. :) |
| 19:21.56 | Leif_ | Do you think wordpress would have done it on its own? |
| 19:22.05 | Leif_ | Let me try to chmod and see the results |
| 19:22.08 | socomm | Leif_: who owns the directory? |
| 19:22.10 | malinus | teraflop, I was asking how to solve some dependencies problems. It doesn't have that much to do with the distro, other then the ancient packages it uses, obviously. sorry, I mean stable |
| 19:22.41 | Gilbert_ | Eduard_Munteanu: kvm: -drive /dev/sda1: Invalid parameter '/dev/sda1' |
| 19:22.54 | socomm | malinus: you seem not to understand what Debian Stable is |
| 19:22.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok peeps i am having issues again :( |
| 19:22.57 | sadbox | malinus: lol calm down |
| 19:23.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | Gilbert_: -hda, not -drive, I corrected myself earlier |
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| 19:23.39 | Gilbert_ | so just put hda? |
| 19:23.42 | teraflop | malinus: ok there are other branches, whats your point? |
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| 19:23.47 | sadbox | malinus: It's like complaining that RHEL doesn't have the latest $YOUR_CHOICE_HERE package. |
| 19:23.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | Gilbert_: kvm -hda /dev/sda1 ... |
| 19:23.57 | Gilbert_ | oh |
| 19:24.21 | sadbox | malinus: If you want newer stuff (including steam in the offical repos) use Debian Testing (Jessie) or Ubuntu or something |
| 19:24.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | -drive requires a few more properties and -hda is just a shortcut for it |
| 19:24.36 | socomm | Leif_: You know I've had things go read-only on me, but that usually has happened when I have a bad hard drive |
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| 19:25.03 | sadbox | er |
| 19:25.20 | Gilbert_ | Eduard_Munteanu: no bootable device |
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| 19:26.16 | Leif_ | socomm: mysql does |
| 19:26.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | Gilbert_: er, you need to give it an actual disk, not a partition, so more like -hda /dev/sda |
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| 19:26.50 | Leif_ | socomm: I'm on a VPS so maybe my host is to blame? |
| 19:27.13 | socomm | Leif_: could be, I don't know |
| 19:27.25 | Leif_ | Yeah, me neither |
| 19:27.31 | socomm | Leif_: generally if you can chmod, it should be ok |
| 19:28.20 | Gilbert_ | Eduard_Munteanu: if I have md installed what do I do sda or md0 ? I get no bootable device when I tried /dev/md0 |
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| 19:28.29 | Leif_ | socomm: Access: (0700/drwx------) Uid: ( 104/ mysql) Gid: ( 106/ mysql) |
| 19:28.43 | Leif_ | It's not read only to mysql |
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| 19:32.54 | harovali | how do I start a NetworkManager connection without entering gui? just from command line console |
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| 19:36.03 | babilen | harovali: system connections (those "usable by all users") will be connected to automatically, but you can use nmcli in lieu. It is, as noted in the manpage, not a complete alternative to nm-applet. |
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| 19:42.49 | Gilbert_ | Eduard_Munteanu: seriously that's the coolest thing I've done in 2013 - silly but true - thanks so much |
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| 19:43.11 | Leif_ | socomm: No.. I mean mysql has rwx access to it, but it still can't create a file http://pastebin.com/wgKPaf2m |
| 19:43.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | Gilbert_: heh, I supposed it booted fine then? |
| 19:43.35 | rvankleeck | What does everyone use in order to keep large numbers of servers up to date? |
| 19:43.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | *suppose |
| 19:43.49 | SweetMuffin | rvankleeck: minions |
| 19:44.00 | rvankleeck | SweetMuffin, lol |
| 19:44.05 | Gilbert_ | Eduard_Munteanu: I booted from sda and now I'm trying sdb - is there a way to boot from md0 |
| 19:44.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | It works It works |
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| 19:44.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | does an evil cackel |
| 19:44.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | MUHAHAHAHA |
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| 19:46.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | Gilbert_: you just configure it as if it was a real machine... if you're using soft RAID you probably need to give it both sda and sdb to assemble the array, e.g. -hda /dev/sda -hdb /dev/sdb -boot order=c |
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| 19:46.43 | Gilbert_ | Eduard_Munteanu: oh cool - thanks |
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| 19:47.39 | abrotman | rvankleeck: up to date in what sense? |
| 19:48.04 | teraflop | Leif_: for things like that im openning tickets to my vps provider :) |
| 19:48.14 | abrotman | rvankleeck: you can use cron-apt/apticron for packages, puppet for OS configuration |
| 19:48.16 | rvankleeck | abrotman, same thing I was asking earlier :) Just looking for more input. Package management and the like |
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| 19:48.43 | abrotman | rvankleeck: same answer I gave earlier then? :) |
| 19:48.59 | rvankleeck | abrotman, pretty much :) just looking for other feedback. |
| 19:49.19 | abrotman | okay |
| 19:49.53 | SweetMuffin | rvankleeck: for large multiplatform deployments look up puppet or something similar. |
| 19:50.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | Alright, I submitted a bug report, patch and rant on the debootstrap GPG issue. |
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| 19:53.53 | ghost75 | i booted to live cd and wanted to install grub, so i mounted boot and root, i did chroot and when i want to grub-install /dev/sda it tells me it cannot find md0 device - what is this? |
| 19:55.18 | dvs | ghost75: That's a RAID setup |
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| 19:56.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | Eww, Gmail for some reason insisted on submitting it plain plus HTML. |
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| 19:57.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | #733179 |
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| 19:59.07 | mjt | ,checkbackport gvfs |
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| 19:59.31 | judd | Backporting package gvfs in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.35.0), libgoa-1.0-dev (>= 3.7.1), libsecret-1-dev, libudisks2-dev (>= 1.97) [linux-any]. |
| 19:59.42 | mjt | um |
| 19:59.59 | applefanboy001 | w apple |
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| 20:00.27 | ghost75 | dvs: you dont say :> |
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| 20:02.04 | mjt | ,checkbackport libglib2.0-dev |
| 20:02.05 | judd | Backporting package libglib2.0-dev in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libpcre3-dev (>= 1:8.31). |
| 20:02.15 | mjt | ,checkbackport libgoa-1.0-dev |
| 20:02.18 | judd | Backporting package libgoa-1.0-dev in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.35.0), libgtk-3-dev (>= 3.5.1), libsecret-1-dev, libsoup2.4-dev (>= 2.41). |
| 20:02.20 | mjt | damn |
| 20:02.21 | abrotman | jeez ... |
| 20:02.44 | mjt | that's all of gnome low-level stuff |
| 20:03.16 | abrotman | mjt: backport to where? |
| 20:03.29 | mjt | to wheezy? :) |
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| 20:04.28 | abrotman | just wondering .. it'd be easier to Jessie, hence asking |
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| 20:05.13 | mjt | just wanted a particular feature of gvfs on a wheezy machine... |
| 20:05.41 | ghost75 | to reinstall grub2 on a md device i have to mount md0 and chroot it or mount sdX ? |
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| 20:09.48 | inkjetunito | is the german translation of gnome3 incomplete in wheezy, or is my system missing some packages? |
| 20:10.13 | abrotman | inkjetunito: how did you install Gnome3? |
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| 20:11.47 | inkjetunito | abrotman: ahh. looks like i've only LANG environment variable set. i installed task-desktop and task-german-desktop |
| 20:12.07 | abrotman | inkjetunito: so you have it fixed now ? |
| 20:12.15 | ghost75 | please help me :< |
| 20:12.30 | inkjetunito | abrotman: no, i haven't fixed anything |
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| 20:12.47 | abrotman | inkjetunito: aptitude install gnome;dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:13.44 | inkjetunito | abrotman: ahh. reconfiguring the locales sounds meaningful. thanks |
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| 20:14.13 | ChibaPet | Hassen: Do you run nVidia drivers or something equivalent? I tend to see a black screen when my video drivers don't match my kernel. Can you restate your initial question please? |
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| 20:14.34 | desmond | noob question here: if i install a program using a package manager,are the compoled *.so files that come with the library also on my system? |
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| 20:15.02 | abrotman | desmond: if they're required |
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| 20:16.02 | Hassen | ChibaPet, i have an ATI HD 3470 gpu in the laptop, but i already have the proprietary installed before the black-screen issue,so i can't tell what exactly went wrong before it |
| 20:17.31 | Hassen | *proprietary driver* |
| 20:17.43 | mjt | btw, what's wrong with radeon driver nowadays? |
| 20:17.47 | ChibaPet | Hassen: Did the black-screen issue arise with a software upgrade? A kernel update, in particular? I'd recommend removing your proprietary driver for starters and getting a display up with the free drivers before you go back into running the proprietary drivers. |
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| 20:18.27 | ChibaPet | Hassen: FWIW, all the proprietary drivers have various issues, but I've had the least luck with the ATI/AMD stuff. I have to do some really Mickey Mouse things to get sanity on my work desktop. |
| 20:18.51 | abrotman | anyone ask him how he installed fglrx ? |
| 20:19.18 | Hassen | ChibaPet, i barely remember it,but i strongly doubt that i installed akernel called webcamstudio's kerne,it's required to get that software |
| 20:19.26 | Hassen | *kernel* |
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| 20:20.18 | ChibaPet | Hassen: Ugh. Alright. That brings us into the realm of Franendebian, which makes it incredibly difficult to diagnose. |
| 20:20.21 | Hassen | ChibaPet, that's the only new thng i have added to the system,other stuff were nothing but reading pdf's ad browsing the net |
| 20:20.56 | ompaul | so when you reboot it choose an earlier kernel and start from there |
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| 20:21.06 | ompaul | maybe you didn't kill it completely |
| 20:21.10 | ChibaPet | Hassen: If this were me, I'd bring the system back to stock Debian and then work towards having the stuff you want step by step. |
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| 20:21.56 | Hassen | ChibaPet, should i now restart my win7 system ad relogin to the debian recovery mode to get to the terminal,and communicate in the irc channel through another pc? |
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| 20:22.58 | Hassen | ompaul, hpow to choose an earlier kernel? |
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| 20:23.05 | Hassen | how* |
| 20:23.37 | ChibaPet | Hassen: Are you saying your system dual-boots, and you're not in the Debian side of it now? If so... Doesn't matter what you're running at the moment. Just plan it out. Go back to a stock kernel and a stock driver and make things work before you add more. You probably don't need recovery mode if you can get to a console with control-alt-F1 or similar. |
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| 20:24.03 | ompaul | Hassen: as you start to boot your debian you should see a grub screen and it should have other kernels sitting behind the first menu read the screen and maybe you can grab the sane side |
| 20:24.03 | ChibaPet | Anyway, going afk a bit. |
| 20:24.30 | Hassen | ompaul, i tried them all,i didn't make it |
| 20:24.47 | Hassen | so those entries are 'kernels' in the grub menu? |
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| 20:25.20 | ompaul | Hassen: not all of them but that is where you find them |
| 20:25.43 | Hassen | ChibaPet, i can get to console in the recovery mode only |
| 20:26.56 | ghost75 | i have same error as here: http://idolinux.blogspot.de/2009/07/reinstall-grub-bootloader-on-md0.html |
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| 20:28.14 | ZitZ | hi, i'm setting up lxc, which i've done before. It depends on cgroups, which I'm trying to setup in fstab but mount error with "special device cgroup does not exist". Is there a dependency I'm missing? |
| 20:29.06 | tharkun | Does debian has a package to handle OTP (One Time Passwords) ? |
| 20:29.29 | abrotman | tharkun: which type? like RSA things, or something else? |
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| 20:29.39 | abrotman | (I bleieve it's yes in both cases, but just asking) |
| 20:30.18 | abrotman | judd: info otpw-bin --release wheezy |
| 20:30.19 | judd | Package otpw-bin (admin, optional) in wheezy/i386: OTPW programs for generating OTPW lists. Version: 1.3-2; Size: 32.7k; Installed: 80k |
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| 20:30.36 | tharkun | abrotman: I really have no idea. I thought of installing one and start playing with it. Googling something when you don't know even what term you need is helpless. |
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| 20:31.18 | abrotman | tharkun: see the package above, and the associated libpam-otpw |
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| 20:32.59 | tharkun | abrotman: Thanks. I hope you had a great Christmas :D |
| 20:33.06 | aixsyd | how the heck is udev seeing 4 different nics, but the rules file is showing two sets of two identical NICs? Heres the output: http://fpaste.org/64451/88089824/ |
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| 20:34.17 | miramor | Hi folks... I have a Debian Wheezy 32-bit chroot that I am trying to get sound working on. GIDs are mismatched between the host and the chroot, so I used MAKEDEV instead of bind-mounting the host /dev. All the audio device nodes are there, and with /proc mounted the sound card shows up. However, programs that use ALSA still cannot find the mixer. |
| 20:34.25 | miramor | What am I doing wrong? |
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| 20:34.33 | abrotman | tharkun: Santa got caught in the chimney. It was not pretty. |
| 20:34.50 | tharkun | lol |
| 20:35.24 | abrotman | miramor: what's the error it gives? |
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| 20:35.50 | miramor | abrotman: "cannot open mixer: no such file or directory." |
| 20:35.57 | miramor | Even as root. |
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| 20:36.08 | abrotman | miramor: but the host OS has no problem ? |
| 20:36.14 | miramor | Nope, no problem on the host. |
| 20:36.37 | abrotman | and the snd-oss-mixer or whatever module it is is loaded ? |
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| 20:38.30 | miramor | snd_mixer_oss? Yes, that's loaded. |
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| 20:38.48 | abrotman | can you strace it and see where the call goes wrong? |
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| 20:40.03 | miramor | Yep, got it. Thanks, I hadn't thought of that! |
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| 20:40.15 | miramor | The /dev/snd/* files are missing. I hadn't noticed. :( |
| 20:40.24 | miramor | Thank you! |
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| 20:41.37 | inkjetunito | abrotman: seems to work fine after updating locale settings. danke |
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| 20:44.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps can you help me get docbook 5 to make the code example on this page ? http://www.badgers-in-foil.co.uk/projects/docbook-css/LDP-Author-Guide/ldp-author-guide-concat.xml |
| 20:45.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | its the <programlisting> tags its got a background and looks different on what i am using pastie in a sec |
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| 20:47.20 | miramor | Yes, i just had to symlink /dev/controlC0 into /dev/snd/. Thanks. |
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| 20:47.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://paste.debian.net/72647/ |
| 20:48.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | it would be nice to have the majority of that functionality out of the box in docbook 5, |
| 20:48.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | er style? |
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| 20:49.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | .... |
| 20:50.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i am dumb i am going to the new version of that file and finding their css file.. |
| 20:50.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | muahaha |
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| 20:50.49 | sarkis | hey all, whats the downside of just throwing my debian install on one partition |
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| 20:51.13 | sarkis | i am going to have a hd for my os then have RAID drives for my data.. this is for a home fileserver |
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| 20:53.12 | sarkis | sorry got disconnected, was anyone able to answer the question i had? |
| 20:53.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope dang that stuff is too old |
| 20:56.45 | here4thegear | Yesterday, I downloaded debian (32 bit) live (LXDE) just to see if I liked and I do. So I used the graphical install. After, I noticed that network manager had vpn grayed out. I ran the following then rebooted. Still grayed out. How can I fix? |
| 20:56.46 | here4thegear | aptitude install network-manager-openvpn network-manager-pptp network-manager-vpnc |
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| 20:57.16 | sarkis | hmmm maybe raid is just stupid anyway |
| 20:57.21 | sarkis | i should be backing my stuff up somewhere else |
| 20:57.39 | sarkis | i should use lvm |
| 20:57.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | RAID is not BACLUP |
| 20:58.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | BASCKUP |
| 20:58.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | BACKUP |
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| 21:02.35 | harovali | I can now work with debian unstable in a remote location. Only that Xorg is not behaving perfectly. I wonder how can I downgrade Xorg a little bit. Any hint welcome. |
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| 21:05.50 | tfox | I have an NFS question - how do I specify (in exports) that a /24 network should be ro, but a specific IP in that range should have rw |
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| 21:06.32 | ghost75 | HUA |
| 21:06.36 | ghost75 | my raid is booting again |
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| 21:15.13 | gnubie2 | Well Hello There, Mr. UPS Man. |
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| 21:15.27 | dvs | heh |
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| 21:16.38 | gnubie2 | seems a bit quiet for a room with 1359 people. |
| 21:17.21 | here4thegear | It is... IRC rooms in general have been pretty quiet for a while. Loaded with lurkers I assume. |
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| 21:19.01 | gnubie2 | lurking is my favorite pastime activity.:) |
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| 21:21.18 | here4thegear | meh |
| 21:21.28 | Pierre-Yves | hello |
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| 21:23.18 | Pierre-Yves | I'm trying to prevent ehci_hcd to get loaded on a fresh wheezy install. I did this: echo blacklist ehci_hcd > /etc/modprobe.d/ehci_hcd.conf; depmod -a; update-initramfs -u; reboot. However ehci_hcd still gets loaded. So how can I actually achieve this? |
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| 21:23.45 | Leif_ | Now I'm getting frustrated |
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| 21:23.57 | Leif_ | I still can't get mysql database to start |
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| 21:24.12 | teraflop | Leif_: still the mysqld issue? |
| 21:24.16 | Leif_ | yes |
| 21:24.18 | Leif_ | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20790846/error-establishing-a-database-connection |
| 21:24.27 | Leif_ | Nobody responded to that one |
| 21:25.05 | teraflop | what type of vps do you have? Leif_ |
| 21:25.19 | here4thegear | Pierre-Yves: check this solution here and see if it helps http://embedded-design-vic.blogspot.com/2013/06/disable-ehcihcd-in-linux.html |
| 21:25.19 | teraflop | opnvz xen pphisical machine ... |
| 21:25.21 | Leif_ | What do you mean by type? |
| 21:25.24 | Leif_ | teraflop: |
| 21:25.41 | teraflop | virtualized? |
| 21:25.59 | Pierre-Yves | here4thegear, it works, but |
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| 21:26.29 | Leif_ | Yeah, it's VMware I believe |
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| 21:27.17 | Pierre-Yves | here4thegear, sorry, wait a second please |
| 21:27.42 | teraflop | uhm, idk perhaps its time to request info on your vps provider |
| 21:27.44 | greatmenjmt | Leif_ it may sound lame, but did you check available space on the disk? |
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| 21:28.02 | nae | I've got a soekris net4801, it was running squeeze. I upgraded to wheezy and I got a grub error "invalid arch independent ELF magic". Resinstalled wheezy using pxe and d-i, same error. Some reports online indicate the error happens on UEFI machines - net4801 is not uefi. Any suggestions? |
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| 21:28.27 | here4thegear | Leif_: check the permissions on /tmp (long shot) |
| 21:28.31 | Leif_ | greatmenjmt: that's not lame and I thought about that, as well as memory as well |
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| 21:28.43 | Leif_ | okay hold on |
| 21:28.51 | greatmenjmt | Leif_ ic |
| 21:28.54 | nae | others have fixed the error by installing grub-efi |
| 21:29.47 | Leif_ | here4thegear: It's 777 and I'm logged in as root and root is the owner.. So.. |
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| 21:30.45 | 64MAA7D5K | . |
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| 21:31.45 | zcd | does anyone know where to begin to get sound to play |
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| 21:32.41 | Pierre-Yves | here4thegear, ok, so it kind of works (I put this in rc.local), but kicks in too late: I have a usb wifi dongle plugged in, and as the init ramfs load ehci_hcd, it fails to actually comes up, so network stays down |
| 21:32.57 | Leif_ | greatmenjmt: I checked, plenty of disk space and memory |
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| 21:34.18 | here4thegear | Leif_: this part of your error string seems interesting |
| 21:34.21 | here4thegear | 131226 15:36:15 [ERROR] Unknown/unsupported storage engine: InnoDB |
| 21:34.22 | greatmenjmt | Leif_ cool, let me take a second look and if i have another suggestion ill let u know. good luck |
| 21:34.27 | Pierre-Yves | here4thegear, basically ehci_hcd still is in the way when netwok starts up, and gets disabled afterwards... too late. |
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| 21:34.57 | Leif_ | teraflop: yes, it's VMware |
| 21:35.21 | Leif_ | I just checked cause I knew it was but never actually checked to make sure |
| 21:35.43 | Pierre-Yves | So, what I'm looking for is a way to actually blacklist this module. I can't figure out why what I do doesn't work. Or do I have to compile my own kernel without this module to get around this problem? |
| 21:35.43 | teraflop | i have no clue Leif_ |
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| 21:37.23 | here4thegear | Leif_: look in /var/lib/mysql and see if you see files named ib_logfile0 and ib_logfile1... if so... remove both files completely and then start mysql |
| 21:37.44 | Leif_ | okay, brb |
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| 21:38.13 | here4thegear | Pierre-Yves: is it possible to completely remove the module? aptitude uninstall |
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| 21:39.58 | Leif_ | this keeps coming up with everything I'm doing |
| 21:40.23 | Leif_ | It's starting to make me think my VPS host is having issues, but they'd've posted it by now if they were |
| 21:40.26 | Pierre-Yves | here4thegear: I don't think so, it is a kernel module, installed with the kernel itself. Let's have a look anyway |
| 21:40.26 | Leif_ | rm: cannot remove `ib_logfile0': Read-only file system |
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| 21:40.55 | Leif_ | For all these things I'm doing, "Read-only file system" keeps coming up |
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| 21:41.37 | teraflop | Leif_: they usually post the issues after fixing it, almost mine does |
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| 21:42.12 | Leif_ | The files themselves are not read-only.. so what does that mean? The entire file system is read-only? |
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| 21:42.57 | greatmenjmt | Leif_ look like, try to create a file on another folder of the file system |
| 21:43.33 | here4thegear | Leif_: I get those errors on my vps (linode) whenever there's an issue with the image itself. sometimes it can be fixed, other times not. I highly suggest grabbing a copy of everything in your /var/www and in /var/lib/mysql This way, if they do need to re-image your machine, you can have a backup of your data. |
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| 21:44.23 | Leif_ | greatmenjmt: I thouhgt I did that already. I guess not, cause now I'm seeing I can't touch anything.. it's all read-only no matter what |
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| 21:45.46 | Leif_ | Thank you.. I think I found the solution. My VPS host doesn't know what they're doing |
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| 21:47.34 | here4thegear | Leif_: yeah, that can be a bummer sometimes... who are you using? |
| 21:48.07 | here4thegear | Meanwhile, anyone know how to get network manager under lxde to manage vpn connections? |
| 21:49.40 | babilen | here4thegear: Make sure to install network-manager-{openvpn,vpnc}, then left-click on nm-applet and configure the VPN in "VPN Connections → Configure VPN" |
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| 21:51.31 | Leif_ | here4thegear: cloudatcost |
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| 21:52.08 | teraflop | cost you a headache |
| 21:52.35 | here4thegear | babilen: thanks... I've installed those, the problem is that... under lxde they aren't showing up in the network manager under vpn (vpn add is grayed out)... |
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| 21:53.21 | Djinnei | hey, is there a way to search for a file when I don't know the complete name? |
| 21:53.32 | here4thegear | Leif_: yeah, cloudatcost is too new, they are still learning. I recommend getting one (they are inexpensive) but waiting a bit before you do anything important with it because they are still setting some things up. |
| 21:53.45 | Djinnei | I'm trying to find where the google authenticator firefox plugin installed so I can execute it |
| 21:53.51 | dvs | Djinnei: locate is the usual suspect |
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| 21:54.07 | Djinnei | dvs I tried locate, but I thought it needed the full name? |
| 21:54.35 | dvs | Djinnei: No, I've used it with partial names. |
| 21:54.39 | Djinnei | ok thanks dvs |
| 21:54.42 | Leif_ | here4thegear: exactly.. luckily I'm not doing anything important with it |
| 21:54.59 | dvs | no prob |
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| 21:55.55 | Leif_ | here4thegear: Just using it for various backend projects and as a frontend for my blog (which isn't super important either) |
| 21:56.57 | here4thegear | b |
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| 21:57.21 | here4thegear | babilen: I got it figured out... I needed to also run this install aptitude install network-manager-openvpn-gnome network-manager-pptp-gnome network-manager-vpnc-gnome |
| 21:57.37 | here4thegear | it was that I only installed the cli components but not the gnome components. |
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| 21:58.36 | magnulu | I have installed a new 2tb disk to replace my 1tb disk in my home server - and I am looking for advice on how to best copy the data from the old to the new one - would rather not use a boot cd as this is a headless server |
| 21:59.10 | magnulu | I am only replacing a storage disk, not anything system crucial |
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| 22:00.16 | here4thegear | good old fassion cp command or dd would work. Alternatively gparted can do some copy functions. |
| 22:00.32 | dvs | magnulu: clonezila |
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| 22:01.28 | magnulu | (tar cp --xattrs /tmp/driveold/path) | (tar x /tmp/drivenew/path) ? |
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| 22:01.58 | magnulu | dvs: is it advisable to run it on a running system? |
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| 22:03.30 | greatmenjmt | hola, tengo un problema con una distro derivada de debian (la cual quiero convertir en debian, de ser posible sin reinstalar, cambiando los sources y paquetes), hice un dist upgrade y no inicia, sino que me muestra la siguiente pesta;a de error http://i.imgur.com/m4ORp5U.jpg y luego el login. No me muestra en el burg el nuevo kernel que se supone viene en la nueva versi'on y |
| 22:03.40 | greatmenjmt | al parecer al configurar los identificadores de los discos algo salió mal, y también hubo un conflicto con los drivers de video. |
| 22:04.01 | greatmenjmt | sorry, wrong channel |
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| 22:04.18 | dvs | magnulu: Ah, if you don't want to reboot then clonezilla is probably out of the question. Copying an active partition sounds risky to me. |
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| 22:05.57 | magnulu | dvs: it is not so much active, I can suspend all processess that uses the partition - and my thought was to unmount it, remount it read-only, copy everything to the new (bigger) partition, switch mountpoints and be up and running again |
| 22:06.16 | Celphish | <3 Debian |
| 22:06.23 | jhutchins | magnulu: Move both disks to a system that has a monitor and make the copy there. |
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| 22:07.21 | magnulu | jhutchins: ok, I get it :) |
| 22:07.47 | jhutchins | magnulu: Actually, your plan isn't that bad. |
| 22:07.55 | magnulu | nice to hear |
| 22:08.30 | jhutchins | magnulu: clonezilla has a number of tools including partclone that can be installed on a regular system, but rsync might be a good way to go, especially if you're going to a bigger partition. |
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| 22:09.05 | jhutchins | magnulu: No good reason to go through tar if you're on the same system. |
| 22:10.01 | jhutchins | magnulu: rsync -av /source /target |
| 22:10.17 | magnulu | easy as that.. |
| 22:10.24 | magnulu | I guess I just give it a shot |
| 22:10.28 | jhutchins | magnulu: add --progress if you have large files and you want to watch the meter, leave the v off if you just want to start it and walk away. |
| 22:10.49 | r00t-err0r | how to enable boot log ? |
| 22:10.56 | jhutchins | magnulu: Nice thing about rsync is you can abort and restart. |
| 22:11.05 | jhutchins | !bootlog |
| 22:11.06 | dpkg | bootlogd is used to record boot messages to /var/log/boot. For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases, install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", bootlogd is provided by the sysvinit-utils package; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd to enable. |
| 22:11.20 | r00t-err0r | tnx |
| 22:11.41 | magnulu | jhutchins: well, thanks for the wonderful help, again.. :) |
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| 22:11.57 | jhutchins | We aim to please. Pay it forward! |
| 22:12.15 | magnulu | I'll do my best |
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| 22:20.08 | bs0d | Hello. I try to download the 7.3 stable but I cannot find iso images in the iso image .. I see Contents-i386.gz. Is this the thing I need for installation? |
| 22:20.35 | Tasab | what is the standard IP address in linux for wire + w/less network , in windows 192.168.01 & 192.168.1.1 |
| 22:21.33 | dvs | bs0d: No, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/ |
| 22:21.49 | dvs | bs0d: In one of those directories (if you have a 64-bit CPU) |
| 22:22.02 | bs0d | dvs: thank you |
| 22:22.32 | pyrobisqit | so... is dovecot the best IMAP server? |
| 22:23.33 | Tasab | any1 can send me the link of debian live cd , wheezy not live cd |
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| 22:29.42 | jhutchins | pyrobisqit: It's a bit newer than the u-of-whatsit one, has a lot more options. Consequently, it usually fails the first three times you start it up, especially if you change the configuration. After that it just works. |
| 22:29.46 | SaberX01 | pyrobisqit, devecot/postfix is a hard combination to be if it's administrated correctly. |
| 22:30.06 | SaberX01 | hard to *beat |
| 22:30.30 | jhutchins | Then again there's nothing wrong with sendmail + imapd. |
| 22:31.14 | pyrobisqit | All tutorials for Email servers suggest dovecot |
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| 22:31.27 | pyrobisqit | does imapd have any advantage at a practical level? (I don't care if it's easier to set up) |
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| 22:32.12 | jhutchins | pyrobisqit: No. |
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| 22:33.21 | pyrobisqit | i'll go for postfix + dovecot then |
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| 22:35.07 | dekiss | I am tryig to install postfix on debain, but I use putty because server is remote |
| 22:35.14 | dekiss | I get window where I need to click on ok |
| 22:35.17 | dekiss | but i dont have mouse |
| 22:35.19 | dekiss | what I can do now? |
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| 22:35.35 | Hukka | Err... you mean you are using curses? |
| 22:35.40 | Hukka | Use the arrows and enter |
| 22:35.51 | dvs | dekiss: cursor keys? tab? space bar? |
| 22:35.53 | peterrooney | dekiss: use tab key to move betweeen elements in ncurses interface |
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| 22:40.48 | magnulu | as an addition to the earlier discussion, found out it is probably a good idea to add -H to the rsync command as I have a lot of hardlinks on the partition I am migrating |
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| 22:46.19 | antithesis_ | Is FSO 'ready'? Can I rely on it for calling and texting? |
| 22:47.38 | Be|gar | does debian have any kind of pre-setup firewall on a fresh install? |
| 22:48.03 | Be|gar | i setup apache to listen on port 8080 because my isp blocks 80. i have it properly forwarded and everything |
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| 22:48.15 | Be|gar | but i can only access the server locally |
| 22:48.51 | teraflop | my be block 8080 too |
| 22:49.02 | Be|gar | i checked and they don't |
| 22:49.50 | xand | Be|gar: no, but you can run "iptables -S" to see any active rules |
| 22:49.58 | dekiss | http://pastebin.com/kawE0ewe |
| 22:49.58 | teraflop | the policy on a freash install is accept all, so ... |
| 22:50.10 | dekiss | I am trying to configure postfix mai lserver here is pastebin of what I have written |
| 22:50.11 | dekiss | ^ |
| 22:51.07 | Be|gar | yeah iptables shows everything ACCEPT |
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| 22:51.07 | phy1729 | Be|gar: do you see the packets come in with tcpdump? |
| 22:51.13 | teraflop | how do you access from outside? Be|gar |
| 22:52.14 | Be|gar | i either have someone in irc try it or use an anonymous browsing site |
| 22:52.22 | ghost75 | chmod others means all loged in users on host or even unauthorized users? |
| 22:52.30 | Be|gar | how do i check that phy1729? |
| 22:52.58 | phy1729 | Be|gar: tcpdump -ni <interface> port 8080 |
| 22:53.03 | jhutchins | Be|gar: What's the external address or url? |
| 22:53.10 | jhutchins | I'll nmap it for you. |
| 22:53.26 | Be|gar | http://209.124.221.49:8080/ |
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| 22:54.31 | Be|gar | oh i didn't have tcpdump installed. one sec. |
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| 22:55.00 | jhutchins | Shows 554 and 7070. |
| 22:55.09 | jhutchins | Does not ping. |
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| 22:55.42 | Be|gar | yeah but it's accessible locally. the port is forwarded properly |
| 22:55.47 | Be|gar | i'm at a a loss |
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| 22:56.37 | jhutchins | Be|gar: If the port is forwarded, it should show as open. |
| 22:57.18 | Be|gar | yeah... |
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| 22:57.54 | Be|gar | http://i40.tinypic.com/1zx2ihu.jpg |
| 22:58.01 | Be|gar | correctly forwarded, no? |
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| 22:58.15 | dekiss | can someone please tell me |
| 22:58.23 | dekiss | how to configure postfix? |
| 22:58.26 | dekiss | http://pastebin.com/0zds1dt9 |
| 22:58.31 | dekiss | this is complete conf log |
| 22:58.33 | dekiss | file |
| 22:58.42 | jhutchins | Be|gar: You may have the wrong address, but its definitely not open. |
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| 22:59.42 | jhutchins | http://tarcanfel.org - lower left shoudl have your external IP. |
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| 22:59.53 | Be|gar | any chance the router sees 10.0.0.10 as 10.0.0.1 ? |
| 23:00.02 | jhutchins | !postfix |
| 23:00.02 | dpkg | Postfix is a <MTA> originally created as an alternative to <sendmail>. It aims to be fast, secure, easy to administer and (relatively) sendmail compatible. Receiving "no mechanism available" with SASL when used as a SMTP client? Install the suggested libsasl2-modules package. Kyle Dent's Postfix FAQ: http://www.seaglass.com/postfix/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix http://www.postfix.org/ #postfix on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:01.23 | dekiss | http://pastebin.com/s0U3Z0jb this is master.cf file |
| 23:01.39 | dekiss | https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix#Installing_and_Configuring_Postfix_on_Debian |
| 23:01.43 | dekiss | I am following this guide |
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| 23:02.30 | abrotman | dekiss: and what doesn't work ? |
| 23:02.39 | dekiss | when I try to send email it says it cant send email to gmail |
| 23:02.53 | dekiss | I am sure I aam doing something wrong folowing the guide |
| 23:02.57 | dekiss | about the domains |
| 23:03.02 | abrotman | I'm sure it says something more than that |
| 23:03.08 | abrotman | and please stop hitting enter every fourth word |
| 23:03.17 | dekiss | ok :) |
| 23:03.47 | abrotman | I doubt your master.cf is the problem, probably more likely your main.cf |
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| 23:03.56 | dekiss | postconf -e "myorigin = example.com" here I wrote postconf -e "myorigin = btcmore.net" btcmore.net is domain that its dns nameservers are pointing to this server ip |
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| 23:04.22 | abrotman | We would need your main.cf and log line that shows the error |
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| 23:04.24 | dekiss | postconf -e "myhostname=server1.example.com" here I wrote postconf -e "myhostname=btcmore.btcmore.com" |
| 23:04.45 | dekiss | everything is ok but when I write this rcpt to:<user@example.com> it says cant send email to gmail |
| 23:04.53 | dekiss | my main cf is here |
| 23:04.56 | dekiss | here is master.cf |
| 23:05.04 | dekiss | http://pastebin.com/s0U3Z0jb |
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| 23:05.29 | dekiss | http://pastebin.com/0zds1dt9 this is main.cf |
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| 23:06.03 | dekiss | abrotman ^ |
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| 23:07.20 | dekiss | abrotman have you seend main.cf file? |
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| 23:08.07 | abrotman | dekiss: your postfix doesn't seem like you've configured anything at all |
| 23:08.18 | abrotman | dekiss: perhaps you should start over and read teh documentation at all |
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| 23:08.53 | dekiss | I did what it asked |
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| 23:08.57 | dekiss | al lcommands |
| 23:09.05 | dekiss | all commands but I am not sure if I understand some of them |
| 23:09.09 | dekiss | just 2 I don;'t understand |
| 23:09.15 | dekiss | postconf -e "myorigin = example.com" |
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| 23:09.40 | dekiss | what should I write here? I wrote postconf -e "myorigin = btcmore.net" as it is the domain that is pointing to this server's ip |
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| 23:10.59 | antithesis_ | Is Debian FSO 'ready'? Can I rely on it for calling and texting? |
| 23:11.17 | KaaK | anyone familiar with any software projects offering schroot's sessions, and lxc's isolation? |
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| 23:12.47 | mtn | antithesis_: free space optics? |
| 23:12.56 | antithesis_ | mtn FreeSmartphone.Org |
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| 23:14.04 | dekiss | abrotman rcpt to:<dekispi@gmail.com> |
| 23:14.04 | dekiss | 550 5.1.1 <dekispi@gmail.com>: Recipient address rejected: gmail.com |
| 23:14.14 | dekiss | no help here :S |
| 23:15.10 | mtn | antithesis_: the web site says it runs on kernel 2.6 and up, so it looks like debian should be "ready". |
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| 23:15.48 | teraflop | dekiss: may be smtp_*_restrictions who knows |
| 23:15.56 | xsi | Who is familiar with Openbox? How to make one-layer menu.xml? |
| 23:16.12 | Hexeon | what's openbox? |
| 23:16.18 | xsi | a WM |
| 23:16.26 | Hexeon | what's a WM? |
| 23:16.31 | xsi | win mgr |
| 23:16.38 | Hexeon | oh okay |
| 23:16.40 | xsi | obmenu returns err |
| 23:16.59 | Hexeon | oh I remember now, think I've heard of it before |
| 23:17.00 | xsi | So.. manually |
| 23:17.29 | xsi | I've inserted <item> without <menu> only 1st appears - lxterminal |
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| 23:19.34 | xsi | Hexeon It's nice and so nice a wm |
| 23:19.53 | abrotman | dekiss: it was suggested you try #postfix |
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| 23:20.42 | abrotman | dekiss: sorry, mum has a windows box that refuses to start, was working on that |
| 23:20.56 | dekiss | abrotman I tried |
| 23:20.59 | dekiss | but failed :) |
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| 23:21.07 | dekiss | so if you can help it will be nice |
| 23:21.08 | dekiss | if not ok |
| 23:21.25 | abrotman | dekiss: it might have to wait, but #postix a better place anyway |
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| 23:26.42 | dekiss | abrotman no |
| 23:26.51 | dekiss | I argued with one guy |
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| 23:30.26 | Belgar | anyone test this for me? :) http://209.124.221.49:8080 |
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| 23:30.43 | Belgar | i think i just had to hard restart my router after port forwarding |
| 23:30.50 | mtn | Belgar: it works! |
| 23:30.54 | Belgar | yeah! |
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| 23:31.15 | Belgar | now where can i get a cool and free domain? :D |
| 23:31.34 | Belgar | a snazzy domain is much more important than actual website content |
| 23:31.59 | abrotman | dekiss: argued? |
| 23:32.19 | abrotman | Belgar: do you need help with Debian ? |
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| 23:33.18 | Belgar | i thought i did |
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| 23:35.55 | sadbox | Belgar: Assuming that's a residential (or any other non-static IP) |
| 23:36.09 | sadbox | You can sign up for free with a pile of dyndns providers |
| 23:36.28 | sadbox | Might be worth checking to see if your router has baked-in support for one of them |
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| 23:38.51 | Nik05 | and domains are pretty cheap (ok depending on location, .nl is like 1 to 4 euro/year) |
| 23:39.40 | Nik05 | but pretty oftopic :D |
| 23:39.56 | Belgar | sadbox actually it does |
| 23:40.11 | Belgar | i was just curious if any of the gurus here had any secrets to share |
| 23:41.03 | sadbox | Belgar: For free you're more-or-less limited to somename.dyndns.org |
| 23:41.08 | sadbox | or something alone those lines |
| 23:41.23 | xslr20 | is avahi-daemon neccessary? i can't figure out why i need it |
| 23:41.24 | sadbox | Either way, good luck, have fun, I'm out <3 |
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| 23:57.03 | CoffeeIV | I'm trying to get an install CD image via the jigdo method (it's a 5.0.3 cd so the .iso files are not there for direct download any more) and I keep getting errors not being able to resolve us.cdimage.debian.org. I often get this problem, even when not downloading images normally. Does someone have an IP for that so I can temporarily get around this by putting an entry in my hosts file ? |
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| 23:58.17 | nonconvergent | Hey. |
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| 23:59.10 | nonconvergent | Having trouble trying to add a wireless network printer via cups. Added my user to lpadmin group and loged out and back in again. |
| 23:59.15 | peterrooney | CoffeeIV: is the netinstall insufficient? http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/5.0.3/i386/ |
