| 00:00.26 | peterrooney | CoffeeIV: there shouldn't be any us.cdimage.debian.org |
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| 00:00.45 | mtn | nonconvergent: you need to tell us what the trouble is. we can't see your screen ;) |
| 00:01.09 | CoffeeIV | peterrooney: no, I'm making a CD image for someone on dialup. They have an installed 5.0.3 and a set of CDs I gave them back when that was current, they occasionally install new packages, and their CD1 has quit working, I just want to re-burn that .iso and give it to them |
| 00:02.28 | nonconvergent | mtn: Well, I have cups running and I'm on a network with a configured wireless printer all the non linux machines see and print just fine. |
| 00:02.48 | CoffeeIV | Also, the us.cdimage.debian.org didn't come from anything I typed in, jigdo figured that out on it's own; I have also pulled .iso's with the browser from that domain within the past month, so I'm pretty sure it exists. It has always been flaky about resolving it's name, though. |
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| 00:03.11 | nonconvergent | I go to Administration->Add New Printer and don't see a "Discovered Network Printer" |
| 00:03.18 | peterrooney | CoffeeIV: I see. Well, the main issue you would be having is that us.cdimage.debian.org is NX domain. |
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| 00:04.58 | CoffeeIV | Is there a better place to get that old 5.0.3 iso file ? Maybe somewhere in archive.org ? |
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| 00:06.34 | peterrooney | dpkg: listkeys archives |
| 00:06.35 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'archives' by key (4): archives ;; debian archives ;; _default archives ;; #debian archives. |
| 00:06.43 | peterrooney | dpkg: debian archives |
| 00:06.44 | dpkg | Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 00:07.05 | peterrooney | dpkg: listkeys archive |
| 00:07.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'archive' by key (15 of 23): #debian archive ;; #debian archives ;; _default archive ;; _default archives ;; apt archive ;; archive ;; archive statistics ;; archive stats ;; archives ;; cd archive ;; channel archive ;; debian archive ;; new archive key ;; theunarchiver ;; unarchiver. |
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| 00:07.30 | peterrooney | dpkg: listkeys archive |
| 00:07.31 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'archive' by key (15 of 23): #debian archive ;; _default apt archive ;; _default archive ;; _default archives ;; apt archive ;; archive stats ;; archive.debian.org ;; archivemail ;; archives ;; btsarchive ;; cd archive ;; channel archive ;; debian archive ;; unarchive ;; unarchiver. |
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| 00:10.51 | CoffeeIV | peterrooney: The only reason I am using jigdo in the first place is precisely that archive.debian.org doesn't have those .iso files: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 00:12.00 | peterrooney | CoffeeIV: The issue you're having isn't with jigdo per se, it is that you should be using cdimage.debian.org and NOT us.cdimage.debian.org |
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| 00:14.26 | CoffeeIV | peterrooney: I agree, but *I* am not typing in "us.cdimage.debian.org" anywhere, jigdo only knows that name based on the .jigdo files it gets from debian.org. I'll try editting one of those, and specify it as a local copy |
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| 00:17.44 | bl4ckdu5t | I installed and Installed some windows executables with wine and they appeared in my menu. After using the menu application to remove them from the main menu, I tried deleting them but they failed. What can I do about this. I also restarted after uninstalling those software |
| 00:18.21 | peterrooney | CoffeeIV: Ah, I see. This is my misunderstanding. I hope your approach works. |
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| 00:19.30 | grieg | hi. how do i get this output in debian? |
| 00:19.32 | grieg | http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/9875110.png |
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| 00:21.19 | bl4ckdu5t | grieg: download and install alsi |
| 00:23.41 | CoffeeIV | peterrooney: it looks like it is working -- I edited the .jigdo.unpacked file locally, and then hit <enter> where jigdo-lite was asking if it should retry, and it's pulling down stuff now . . . :) |
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| 00:24.14 | terabit | grieg: http://trizenx.blogspot.ro/2012/08/alsi.html |
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| 00:30.45 | lrussell | Hello |
| 00:30.47 | lrussell | I'm trying to setup a user with a remote home directory linked to a samba share, and I can login and everything to the user just fine. The problem starts when I try to login to XFCE with GDM or use startx after doing Ctrl+Alt+F1, I get a message stating: "xauth: timeout in locking authority file /rhome/user/.Xauthority", or GDM simply goes black and resets to the login screen. http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/d43ed31c (more info) |
| 00:31.00 | lrussell | Thanks. :) |
| 00:32.56 | grieg | thank you guys |
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| 00:40.29 | AlexLikeRock | some one repport a BUG repositories are DOWN |
| 00:40.31 | AlexLikeRock | http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pidgin-twitter/ |
| 00:40.40 | AlexLikeRock | of a méxico |
| 00:43.17 | nkuttler | AlexLikeRock: is there a contact address somewhere there: http://ftp.mx.debian.org/ ? |
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| 00:44.30 | AlexLikeRock | yes i now, but im in my work i don have time to search my personal password of my e.mail |
| 00:45.03 | nkuttler | AlexLikeRock: you can just use another mirror |
| 00:45.13 | nkuttler | AlexLikeRock: maybe try apt-spy |
| 00:45.41 | AlexLikeRock | ok, tanks nkuttler , |
| 00:46.13 | AlexLikeRock | i hope , any report this bug, to avoid this problem on more users |
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| 00:50.59 | AlexLikeRock | nkuttler, apt-spy |
| 00:50.59 | AlexLikeRock | bash: apt-spy: command not found |
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| 00:52.21 | AlexLikeRock | any one can help my friend http://i.imgur.com/m4ORp5U.jpg |
| 00:52.39 | AlexLikeRock | they upgrade from squeeze to wheezy |
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| 00:52.48 | AlexLikeRock | and then appear this error |
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| 00:55.02 | LinuxGuy2020 | I have a debian server that is running samba server and I can access the share with my android tablet so I know its working. I cant access it with my debian desktop though. "Unable to mount location." Im not sure why, Im guessing permissions or missing packages. I installed cifs-utils I read that I needed that. I dont see a smb group though. Should I see one? |
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| 00:56.59 | nonconvergent | Is there a tool for managing passwords that I have to enter on the command line? |
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| 00:57.28 | nonconvergent | Opening up lastpass to get my heroku pass is kind of a pain. |
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| 01:00.15 | Tylertwo | nonconvergent, http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Encryption |
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| 01:04.26 | _Hassen_ | how to delete all of the added packages/kernels in debian within the teminal in order to restore the OS's fresh install state |
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| 01:05.32 | _Hassen_ | given that starting the OS is impossible due to a black screen in the start-up,and that there is nothing to access execpt the recovery mode's full-screen terminal |
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| 01:08.59 | AlexLikeRock | any one can help my friend http://i.imgur.com/m4ORp5U.jpg |
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| 01:13.07 | Digit | anyone know why the --installed option on apt-cache isnt working anymore? it's still in the man page, but says it's unrecognized. i was sure apt-cache search --installed foo used to work |
| 01:13.33 | antithesis_ | Is Debian FSO (mtn FreeSmartphone.Org) 'ready'? Can I rely on it for calling and texting? |
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| 01:16.34 | Digit | or... perhaps my question should be, how do i search for installed packages? |
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| 01:25.11 | dizzylizzy | I don't like receiving large email attachments. I have a VPS running Debian wheezy. Are there any good software packages I can use to provide a sort of write-only interface for people to drop files for me? |
| 01:25.21 | bl4ckdu5t | I got a message like 'The following packages are already installed, run apt-get autoremove to remove them. Is it ok to do this. It shows all my main system packages |
| 01:25.41 | miloszg | Digit: try dpkg --get-selections to get installed packages |
| 01:26.13 | Tylertwo | bl4ckdu5t, pastebin it? |
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| 01:28.14 | Digit | thnx miloszg. ~and then use grep to find if a specific package is installed? i'm fine with that, but it just seems a bit odd that there's not a single package manager command to search for installed packages containing a specified string. |
| 01:28.27 | bl4ckdu5t | Tylertwo: I'm such an askhole. I already ran 'apt-get autoremove' and crl^C couldn't terminate it |
| 01:28.33 | bl4ckdu5t | It removed all the packages |
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| 01:29.40 | Tylertwo | bl4ckdu5t, well if you want them back, you can reinstall them. |
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| 01:30.19 | miloszg | Digit: even simpler method: dpkg -l package_name |
| 01:30.31 | bl4ckdu5t | That's a lotta work. I got tired of seeing that prompt each time I try downloading something |
| 01:31.00 | bl4ckdu5t | doesn't seem like I a choice anyway |
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| 01:31.53 | Digit | yikes. the output is rather excessive though. i liked that apt-cache search --installed used to just output package names |
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| 02:25.49 | karlpinc | deb: What happens when it fails? |
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| 02:45.09 | LinuxGuy2020 | I can not figure out why nautilus wont connect to a samba share. pyneighborhood can connect and if I go to the nautilus file menu, connect to server I can connect to it but the left window pane that says browse network says that its unable to mount location. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 02:47.42 | zophy | sometimes you need a sick amount of \\\\\\'s in the share name |
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| 02:50.03 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2020: which veresion of Debian? I vaguely recall that one of the versions had a broken nautilus+smb |
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| 02:52.23 | LinuxGuy2020 | abrotman: 3.4.2-1 |
| 02:52.35 | abrotman | Debian version ... |
| 02:52.47 | abrotman | but that's your nautlis version in Wheezy I suspect, which should be fine |
| 02:53.11 | LinuxGuy2020 | abrotman: yeah sorry |
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| 03:05.55 | DammitJim | silly question... I currently have a debian Wheezy machine that has 2 main functions |
| 03:06.02 | DammitJim | 1) mail server |
| 03:06.12 | DammitJim | 2) HTPC (with pictures and videos) |
| 03:06.36 | DammitJim | The mail server piece works great; however the HTPC part using XBMC and lirc hasn't been playing nicely |
| 03:07.12 | DammitJim | I've been looking to virtualize the mail server so that I can move it around if I need to. Do you guys have any pros or cons for that setup? |
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| 03:27.50 | linuxuz3r | the text in my chromes url bar bobs up and down |
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| 03:28.03 | linuxuz3r | does anyone know how to fix this |
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| 03:28.18 | DrakkenWarr | are you using a nonstandard font linuxuz3r? |
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| 03:28.32 | linuxuz3r | well i resized the fonts |
| 03:28.34 | linuxuz3r | to 8 |
| 03:28.43 | DrakkenWarr | that could be what is causing it |
| 03:28.48 | linuxuz3r | DrakkenWarr, i didnt change fonts |
| 03:28.53 | linuxuz3r | ok testing |
| 03:29.15 | linuxuz3r | but in ubuntu if i resize the fonts the text in the url bar stays the same |
| 03:29.37 | DrakkenWarr | are you using the same WM? |
| 03:29.51 | linuxuz3r | im on gnome session |
| 03:29.58 | linuxuz3r | not gnome shell |
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| 03:30.06 | linuxuz3r | well it was gnome shell |
| 03:30.10 | linuxuz3r | in ubuntu |
| 03:30.19 | DrakkenWarr | hmm, the only time I had that problem with gnome was when I changed to a funky font or theme |
| 03:30.29 | linuxuz3r | and i also tried it in gnome fallback and it doesnt bob |
| 03:30.48 | DrakkenWarr | huh, that is odd |
| 03:31.04 | linuxuz3r | it might be the theme |
| 03:31.19 | DrakkenWarr | I found it happened most often for me, with darker themes |
| 03:31.29 | DrakkenWarr | I really have no idea why though |
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| 03:39.32 | linuxuz3r | DrakkenWarr, i have to use gtk theme for chrome settings |
| 03:39.38 | linuxuz3r | so that it doesnt bob |
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| 03:39.51 | DrakkenWarr | ah, right on, so it was a theme thing |
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| 04:22.40 | elkingrey | Does anybody know if watching movies that are on a USB stick will slow down performance? Is it always recommended to transfer file over to hard disk before watching a movie? |
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| 04:23.41 | DrakkenWarr | Even with USB 2? I would transfer the movies to your hd, but with the thru put and what not it is really up to you |
| 04:24.41 | nonconvergent | Learning ruby on rails. What are the relevant packages? |
| 04:25.18 | nonconvergent | rails or rails3 ? |
| 04:25.42 | sadbox | I wonder how many people use the distro-provided packages |
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| 05:09.00 | superphly_ | Hey guys, I have Xvnc running as a server from xinetd as a regular user. I have it running just fine as far as connecting and authenticating. However, when I connect, all I'm getting is a blank screen with an "X" cursor. I've edited the ~/.vnc/xstartup script (644) and can't get anything to execute. |
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| 05:12.03 | nonconvergent | Anyway to see where a package came from? |
| 05:12.30 | nonconvergent | Or rather..what pulled in a required packages? |
| 05:12.54 | nonconvergent | I've got libsqlite3-0 from a backport but I don't know what pulled it in. |
| 05:16.56 | nonconvergent | The solution seems to be to downgrade but I don't know what that would break. |
| 05:18.30 | buu | nonconvergent: You can always try to uninstall it and find out! |
| 05:20.09 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:23.54 | nonconvergent | buu: libsqlite3-dev is used by a lot of things. |
| 05:26.01 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/72680/ |
| 05:26.29 | nonconvergent | And I checked. No sqlite3 backport. |
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| 05:29.18 | buu | Welp. |
| 05:29.20 | buu | Got me. |
| 05:29.50 | nonconvergent | whimpers |
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| 05:36.28 | nonconvergent | So my using a backport broke something. |
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| 05:37.29 | buu | nonconvergent: Wait, why can't you just install version 3.8? |
| 05:37.33 | buu | I'm slightly confused |
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| 05:38.37 | nonconvergent | buu: Because it's not there. |
| 05:39.08 | buu | nonconvergent: You mean its already installed? |
| 05:39.25 | buu | Why are you trying to install a backport of sqlite? |
| 05:39.35 | nonconvergent | I'm not. And there isn't one. |
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| 05:39.44 | nonconvergent | becuase it's required by something else I need. |
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| 05:40.22 | nonconvergent | Trying to install sqlite3 3.7.13-1+deb7u1 |
| 05:40.26 | nonconvergent | from wheezy |
| 05:40.29 | buu | nonconvergent: Yes, what needs that specific version? |
| 05:40.48 | nonconvergent | nothing needs that specific version, that's just the only one there. |
| 05:40.53 | nonconvergent | there is not backport for it. |
| 05:40.57 | nonconvergent | s/not/no/ |
| 05:42.04 | buu | WHAT NEEDS THE BACKPORT OF SQLITE |
| 05:42.20 | nonconvergent | \curl -L https://get.rvm.io | bash -s stable --rails |
| 05:42.38 | nonconvergent | rvm |
| 05:42.41 | rww | curl | bash is not a great idea in general |
| 05:42.59 | nonconvergent | And it doesn't need the backport, it just needs sqlite3. Somehow. |
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| 05:44.12 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/72681/ |
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| 05:44.23 | buu | Why is there a backslash there |
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| 05:45.20 | buu | nonconvergent: E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 05:45.29 | buu | Why is backports involved at all? |
| 05:45.36 | buu | Just install the latest version of sqlite3 |
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| 05:46.51 | nonconvergent | buu: because I installed iceweasel-aurora as some point and that pulled in the lib. |
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| 05:48.34 | buu | I'm starting to hate both you and rvm |
| 05:49.28 | nonconvergent | So am I. |
| 05:49.33 | nonconvergent | And I'm one of those guys. |
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| 05:50.08 | nonconvergent | Although it's not really rvm's fault. It's just trying to install sqlite3. It's not its fault I ffed it up. |
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| 05:51.52 | nonconvergent | Hmm, is there way to downgrade iceweasel without breaking all the things the depend on it? |
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| 05:55.49 | buu | nonconvergent: So what happens if you just: type: apt-get install sqlite3 |
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| 05:59.44 | Dan39 | i thought irc in emacs was just something to laugh at, not actually use... :| |
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| 06:00.56 | nonconvergent | buu: same problem. sqlite3 : Depends: libsqlite3-0 (= 3.7.13-1+deb7u1) but 3.8.1-1~bpo70+1 is to be installed |
| 06:01.33 | buu | nonconvergent: Ok, which version of debian are you on and what does your sources.list look like and what does apt-cache show sqlite3 say? |
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| 06:02.47 | buu | nonconvergent: Actually, scratch the last part, what does apt-cache show libsqlite3-0 |
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| 06:03.13 | buu | nonconvergent: and dpkg -l libsqlite3-0 |
| 06:03.15 | nonconvergent | buu: wheezy. It's the iceweasel-aurora flubbing it. |
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| 06:04.17 | nonconvergent | buu: http://paste.debian.net/72682/ |
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| 06:06.00 | buu | nonconvergent: Oh, I understand now |
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| 06:07.28 | nonconvergent | buu: good...I hope |
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| 06:09.22 | buu | nonconvergent: How much do you care about your backported iceweasel? |
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| 06:10.13 | nonconvergent | buu: Take off, nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. |
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| 06:11.25 | buu | nonconvergent: So.. comment out the backport line in your sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install libsqlite3-0; apt-get install sqlite3 |
| 06:12.17 | buu | nonconvergent: or um, apt-get -t=wheezy install libsqlite3-0 |
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| 06:12.40 | nonconvergent | buu: without removing the old source? |
| 06:12.58 | nonconvergent | er, the iceweasel-aurora line |
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| 06:13.19 | buu | nonconvergent: Well, for the moment just try the -t=wheezy line |
| 06:13.53 | buu | Or um apt-get install libsqlite3-0=3.7.13-1+deb7u1 |
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| 06:20.39 | buu | nonconvergent: What happened? |
| 06:20.43 | buu | Or is happening |
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| 06:35.35 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | how to tell what source package a certain binary package is compiled from? |
| 06:35.40 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | with a simple command line |
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| 06:36.19 | wols | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: apt-get -s source <package> |
| 06:37.01 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | thanks! |
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| 06:37.40 | nex | OK, so I force shutdown my laptop (wheezy) with power button. Now at reboot, I am in grub rescue. "ls" shows (hd0) (hd0,msdos1) (hd0,msdos5). What do I do next? |
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| 06:38.19 | wols | why are you in grub rescue all of a sudden? |
| 06:38.33 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | definitely solve the issue booting from a live usb |
| 06:39.16 | nex | it said : Welcome to grub! error: file not found |
| 06:39.49 | wols | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: your reboot doesn't delete files. |
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| 06:40.40 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | of course, must have ran update-grub or something |
| 06:40.47 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | or deleted the theme files |
| 06:40.52 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | or something |
| 06:41.05 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | but definitely a case for a live usb :D |
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| 06:52.35 | nex | which is the smallest live-iso i can download? |
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| 06:52.52 | BlackWeb | DSL |
| 06:52.58 | BlackWeb | 50 MB |
| 06:53.13 | BlackWeb | Damn Small Linux |
| 06:53.41 | nex | will that work for fixing my "grub-rescue" mode thing? wols:^ |
| 06:53.56 | BlackWeb | Should |
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| 07:53.36 | Tasab | hi , ctcp , wtz this and what is it doing ? any idea pls |
| 07:54.08 | well_laid_lawn | here's an idea, use more vowels |
| 07:54.20 | phy1729 | client to client protocol it's an IRC thing why? |
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| 07:54.50 | Tasab | phy1729:: ok , how i can use it ? |
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| 07:55.49 | phy1729 | Tasab: these are really #freenode questions |
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| 07:57.50 | Tasab | phy1729:: i found the ctcp on the xchat menu , but i dont know how 2 use , thinking covering from the hacker , only this my think , ami right ? |
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| 07:59.11 | wols | Tasab: you are not right. it's not really a #debian question either |
| 07:59.36 | tertu | Tasab: ctcp is used to get certain information from clients like the local time and version, and maybe transfer files or something |
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| 08:00.43 | Tasab | wols:: thanks anyway have to go #freenode , as phy1729 said may by catch a proprate answer |
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| 08:03.06 | Tasab | tertu:: ctcp from its name client 2 client protocol , so am looking for the method 2 use |
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| 09:12.39 | apm1 | remember me for i am the man who will backport 3.12-686-pae in a few hours to stable |
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| 09:18.17 | jelly | apm1: because 3.11 just does not cut it? |
| 09:18.25 | apm1 | nah not for me |
| 09:18.50 | apm1 | besides another useless volunteer can't hurt eh :p |
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| 09:29.48 | apm1 | looks like a chroot to the sid partition is needed |
| 09:30.03 | apm1 | btw we have a backports chan on freenode ? |
| 09:30.20 | jelly | why bother, the kernel will build with an older gcc |
| 09:30.52 | apm1 | jelly, not with the dependencies listed |
| 09:30.58 | jelly | change them! |
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| 09:31.11 | apm1 | jelly, ok |
| 09:31.14 | jelly | (assuming you mean build-deps) |
| 09:31.19 | apm1 | aye |
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| 10:34.50 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 10:34.50 | dpkg | <Unrealac> Please tell me some channel free shells? <Wyzard_> Unrealac: If you want shells, go to the beach |
| 10:34.59 | nex | ok, I am inside a live cd. I have a "error:file not found. Grub rescue>" at my boot. How do i repair it? |
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| 10:35.35 | toni___ | Hi! |
| 10:36.47 | hagbard_celine | hi there. I have a problem with my postfix and dovecot configuration. I still get postfix/pipe to=<anybody@example.com>, relay=dovecot, status=deferred (temporary failure) while postfix tries to deliver a mail to dovecot. I looking for some hours but I can't find the problem. dovecot version is 2.1 and here my config files: Postfix http://pastebin.com/KDFif0rB Dovecot http://pastebin.com/f4Up8GL2 |
| 10:37.07 | hagbard_celine | It would be nice if someone can give me a hint |
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| 10:38.18 | jelly | hagbard_celine: check your mail logs for reasons why dovecot's delivery agent might be failing |
| 10:39.13 | hagbard_celine | i have configured dovcot for debug output, but there are no errors in any logs excepted from the postfix/pipe to=<anybody@example.com>, relay=dovecot, status=deferred (temporary failure) |
| 10:39.21 | jelly | hagbard_celine: where's master.cf definition of dovecot transport? |
| 10:39.42 | hagbard_celine | one second plz |
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| 10:40.41 | hagbard_celine | my master.cf http://pastebin.com/iiGS78dY |
| 10:41.50 | hagbard_celine | the /usr/lib/dovecot/deliver exists and permissions also ok. |
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| 10:43.00 | jelly | I don't know much about dovecot's LDA anyway, best to ask in #dovecot |
| 10:43.17 | hagbard_celine | in the old version of dovcot there was the socket listen master and also client and I belive there is somewhere the reason |
| 10:43.43 | jelly | the postfix side appears to work and try to deliver to the desired transport |
| 10:43.44 | hagbard_celine | oh this is a good idea to go to dovcot channel :-) |
| 10:44.02 | hagbard_celine | yes |
| 10:44.26 | hagbard_celine | but i didn't get any output from dovecot about any failures |
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| 10:47.00 | hagbard_celine | http://pastebin.com/4ZbnTCb8 this is my logoutput |
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| 10:54.24 | nex | I am stuck at "grub rescue>". Does someone have time to help me? |
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| 10:55.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell nex -about fixmbr |
| 10:55.33 | apm1 | babilen, guess whos building 3.12 for wheezy backports today :p |
| 10:56.10 | apm1 | would you help me get it uploaded once i finish ? |
| 10:56.18 | babilen | apm1: Official backports are from testing not unstable |
| 10:56.33 | apm1 | wut.... |
| 10:56.40 | apm1 | so all my effort |
| 10:56.49 | babilen | Is for your own benefit |
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| 10:56.59 | jelly | and street cred |
| 10:57.30 | babilen | But then it'll migrate soon. You should also discuss these things with #debian-kernel as they are quite keen to provide high quality backports *once* they meet the requirements |
| 10:57.59 | ddalton | I have two annoying problems possibly related. both caused after upgrading from wheezy to testing. 1. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart doesn't not allow me to restart the gui anymore. 2. when resuming from suspend the consoles resume fine, but gnome does not resume the desktop. any ideas? |
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| 11:14.59 | glambert | Hi, does anyone know why squid would only be listening on tcp6? |
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| 11:16.23 | xand | glambert: because tcp6 sockets don't just mean ipv6, it's normal. |
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| 11:18.09 | madmac2501 | hi, how do I choose no option in a preseed multiselect? |
| 11:18.39 | glambert | xand, ok, thanks, but doing an nmap on the ip that port 8000 should be open on isn;t showing it |
| 11:19.14 | xand | what's the line that mentions it in netstat or whatever say? |
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| 11:20.32 | glambert | xand, seems the problems is that squid-deb-proxy keeps stopping actually |
| 11:20.42 | Lope | how can I make my grub pause when I boot? http://codepad.org/d2GLd4w2 |
| 11:22.22 | glambert | avahi-daemon[959]: Service group file /services/squid-deb-proxy.service vanished, removing services. |
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| 11:22.31 | glambert | in syslog |
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| 11:27.59 | glambert | xand, it seems squid-deb-proxy stops as soon as I run an apt-get update on another machine that connects to it |
| 11:28.20 | xand | doesn't know what that is... I use normal squid as an apt proxy |
| 11:28.34 | xand | works great with the cache size + file size limits increased |
| 11:29.06 | waqstar | I've just done a fresh installation of debian 7 graphical. I think it uses network manager to manage the networking. Is it possible to remove this and allow the /etc/network/interfaces file to manage the config> |
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| 11:29.51 | DelphiWorld | hi people, |
| 11:29.57 | DelphiWorld | this is mostly a bash question |
| 11:30.03 | DelphiWorld | i am doing this: |
| 11:30.13 | DelphiWorld | for a in *.ogv; do ffmpeg -i $a -ar 48000 -cutoff 15000 -c:a libfdk_aac -b:a 128k -profile:a aac_he_v2 /mnt/hdd/Videos/$a.m4v done |
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| 11:30.26 | DelphiWorld | but $a.m4v give me something.ogv.m4v |
| 11:30.29 | xand | waqstar: yes you can apt-get remove network-manager... |
| 11:30.33 | DelphiWorld | anyway to splite the .ogv extension? |
| 11:30.36 | glambert | caches deb packages, xand |
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| 11:30.54 | xand | glambert: yeah so does squid ;p |
| 11:31.12 | glambert | for multiple servers? |
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| 11:32.43 | xand | yes |
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| 11:33.15 | waqstar | xand: Eggcellent. Didn't think it would be that simple |
| 11:33.17 | xand | but the default config won't be any good - you have to make it cache bigger files and bigger total size |
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| 11:39.20 | Lope | how can I make my grub pause when I boot? this is my /etc/default/grub and it does not even show up... instant boot. http://codepad.org/d2GLd4w2 |
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| 11:41.48 | ksk | you did an update-grub Lope? |
| 11:42.27 | ksk | basicly you would have to press eg "arrow up/down" keys on bootup so grub will stop before booting the kernekl |
| 11:44.11 | Lope | ksk: yes I did |
| 11:44.26 | Lope | I saw advice online to comment out the entries about quiet etc. will try that |
| 11:44.27 | Lope | brb |
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| 11:56.25 | glambert | if I run "/usr/sbin/squid3 -N -f /etc/squid-deb-proxy/squid-deb-proxy.conf" in terminal, I get a few warnings but otherwise OK and then as soon as I run an apt-get update I get "Aborted (core dumped)" and squid-deb-proxy die |
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| 12:00.30 | ksk | glambert: what does apt do? restart squid? then do so yourself (via initscript) and see what happens |
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| 12:00.57 | glambert | I've restarted squid a few times |
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| 12:07.08 | glambert | if I run |
| 12:07.10 | glambert | tail -f $(ls /var/log | grep -Ev 'gz|lastlog|fail' | grep log | grep -v \.1 | awk '{print "/var/log/"$1}' ) | grep squid |
| 12:07.21 | glambert | and then run the apt-get update to kill squid-deb-proxy |
| 12:07.25 | glambert | I get these lines: |
| 12:07.32 | glambert | ERROR: apport (pid 22404) Fri Dec 27 12:05:21 2013: executable: /usr/sbin/squid3 (command line "/usr/sbin/squid3 -N -f /etc/squid-deb-proxy/squid-deb-proxy.conf") |
| 12:07.32 | glambert | ERROR: apport (pid 22404) Fri Dec 27 12:05:21 2013: apport: report /var/crash/_usr_sbin_squid3.13.crash already exists and unseen, doing nothing to avoid disk usage DoS |
| 12:07.32 | glambert | Dec 27 12:05:21 xenmanager avahi-daemon[21981]: Service group file /services/squid-deb-proxy.service vanished, removing services. |
| 12:07.33 | babilen | dpkg: paste |
| 12:07.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 12:07.45 | glambert | duly noted |
| 12:08.33 | babilen | thanks -- If you had pasted a bit more one of our bots would have kicked you, which is really something we should avoid :) |
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| 12:08.46 | glambert | :) |
| 12:09.17 | glambert | babilen, any idea re problem? |
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| 12:11.00 | babilen | glambert: Not really active in the channel right now .. just saw that a (potentially) massive paste was incoming. |
| 12:11.20 | glambert | ah |
| 12:11.23 | glambert | :) |
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| 12:18.41 | ompaul | glambert: what happens if you to not run the tail command? |
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| 12:19.53 | glambert | ompaul, what happens to what? |
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| 12:20.23 | ompaul | glambert: squid - if you are not running tail |
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| 12:20.52 | ompaul | glambert: to put it some other way, are you saying that it only falls over when you do apt-get update |
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| 12:24.35 | jimcooncat | I upgraded squeeze xfce to wheezy xfce, it doesn't look like my .profile gets run now. Is this a change? Where is a good place to put my $PATH additions? |
| 12:24.45 | glambert | ompaul, that appears to be the case |
| 12:24.48 | glambert | I can install packages fine |
| 12:24.54 | glambert | but when I do an update it dies |
| 12:25.21 | ompaul | glambert: when did you install apport I'm just thinking it may have something to do with it |
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| 12:27.58 | ompaul | glambert: that makes no sense unless you have something funny in your sources.list care to paste it in http://paste.debian.net please |
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| 12:43.29 | glambert | ompaul, on which? the server where squid-deb-proxy is on or a server that uses it for cache? |
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| 12:44.48 | ompaul | the server squid box that's the one with the problem |
| 12:45.09 | ompaul | the box that uses it has nothing to do with reality |
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| 12:48.24 | JyZyXEL | Pin: release a=testing |
| 12:48.30 | JyZyXEL | what is a=? |
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| 12:50.25 | JyZyXEL | couldn't i simply install a package from jessie by manually downloading the .deb package and dpkg -i it? |
| 12:50.36 | ompaul | https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 12:50.55 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: you could, and it might not agree with your existing system |
| 12:51.00 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 12:51.00 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 12:51.06 | ompaul | !bpo |
| 12:51.06 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 12:51.25 | JyZyXEL | im gonna try that first, seems like the cleanest solution |
| 12:51.49 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: if it has dependencies you are going to be the own of two or more pieces of an install |
| 12:52.01 | ompaul | if those deps break anything you have |
| 12:52.13 | JyZyXEL | i don't think it has any depends that aren't already met by wheezy |
| 12:52.27 | ompaul | well check out bpo first |
| 12:52.35 | JyZyXEL | at least when i compared them: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mdadm http://packages.debian.org/jessie/mdadm |
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| 12:53.16 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: and why do you think you need an upgrade? |
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| 12:53.27 | JyZyXEL | newer mdadm has hot-replace support that i neeed |
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| 12:54.00 | JyZyXEL | im already running backported kernel so i have the kernel support for it also |
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| 12:54.41 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: not something I'd do for a server |
| 12:54.49 | JyZyXEL | why not |
| 12:55.33 | ompaul | fear of change upstream breaking what I have -so the testing stuff goes up a notch or two for some reason we don't know about yet and woops you are not at the game any longer |
| 12:56.17 | JyZyXEL | thats why you want to do it manually |
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| 12:56.49 | JyZyXEL | for now it seems you can go from stable mdadm to testing without upgrading any additional packages |
| 12:56.54 | JyZyXEL | that might not be the case forever though |
| 12:56.59 | ompaul | exactly |
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| 12:57.19 | ompaul | and if it is not the case where are you for some kind of supported infrastructure |
| 12:57.34 | ompaul | if it is there as a bpo great |
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| 12:57.48 | JyZyXEL | i don't know why no one has made a backports yet |
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| 12:58.05 | nex | Guys, I have tried recovering my MBR via live disk using chroot and then grub-install. But grub starts in command line mode. What might be wrong? |
| 12:58.08 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: you can compile it yourself |
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| 12:58.24 | JyZyXEL | from debian sources or from offical? |
| 12:58.37 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: debian |
| 12:58.43 | ompaul | hang on I'll get some links |
| 12:58.46 | JyZyXEL | what would that help? |
| 12:59.06 | JyZyXEL | it would just end up being the same package as what i would get if i downloaded it? |
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| 12:59.11 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: so you can maintain your delta |
| 12:59.20 | ompaul | if upstream goes away |
| 12:59.57 | nex | anyone knows why GRUB has started in CLI mode after I restored it using live disk? |
| 13:00.01 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: as you are transfixed with this - I'll leave it there - I have other things to do |
| 13:00.06 | JyZyXEL | well im better off being stuck with the jessie version than with wheezy version for the next 3 years? |
| 13:00.26 | JyZyXEL | its not like mdadm would be updated before that on wheezy anyways |
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| 13:04.22 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: that is your philosophical and maybe future technical problem |
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| 13:05.12 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: when you run multiple services on multiple services the thing you value most is predictable behaviour |
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| 13:07.05 | ompaul | nex: you seem to have said two things, one of which is, your machine now has a working grub, and you are being dumped at a CLI when grub is done, but you haven't said if that CLI is a login prompt or a grub prompt |
| 13:07.36 | nex | it's a grub prompt ompaul |
| 13:07.40 | nex | say grub> |
| 13:08.05 | ompaul | so it's not done yet |
| 13:08.07 | ompaul | !grub |
| 13:08.07 | dpkg | GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub squeeze>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 #grub on irc.freenode.net. See also <grub legacy>. |
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| 13:08.21 | JyZyXEL | ompaul: what kind of problem could there be then+ |
| 13:09.17 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: do it, at your own risk. I've alluded to possible (if slightly unlikely but not unheard of) problems. |
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| 13:09.38 | JyZyXEL | i guess i could build the newest git version of mdadm and use it to do the hot-replacement because i only need to use that feature for now |
| 13:10.04 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: I can't say more than I already did. |
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| 13:12.14 | JyZyXEL | ompaul: what would you do? |
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| 13:12.53 | JyZyXEL | you would probably not be running a backported kernel anyways, so you wouldn't even have the option to use a newer feature? :p |
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| 13:14.45 | topi` | I'm running wheezy, and I wanted to install a pkg that's missing from the repo but exists in sid (pypy) ... however, after adding one source line for sid in my sources.list, apt-get installing pypy forced an upgrade on the libc |
| 13:15.11 | topi` | evidently, this is *not* good. what's the right way of cherrypicking packaged sw that doesn't exist for your installation but exists in sid? |
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| 13:15.38 | jhutchins | topi`: Don't. |
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| 13:16.01 | jhutchins | topi`: Mixing releases is like mixing distributions. You might get away with it first but it will eventually break. |
| 13:16.03 | nex | !dpkg <grub config> |
| 13:16.08 | nex | !dpkg grub config |
| 13:16.08 | dpkg | If all you want is to dual-boot Debian and Windows, just install the os-prober package and run update-grub. Otherwise, check /etc/default/grub, /etc/grub.d/* and http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub#Configuration |
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| 13:16.45 | topi` | jhutchins: ok, so my best bet is to resort to compling all sw that I need installed. |
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| 13:17.08 | topi` | jhutchins: although, this seems to be a good use case for apt-get source ... dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 13:17.49 | antithesis_ | Can I make phone calls with Debian? |
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| 13:18.11 | topi` | ok, my installation is somewhat botched now. Any ideas how to fix this? (I killed apt-get while it was installing libc) |
| 13:18.14 | topi` | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libc-dev-bin: libc-dev-bin depends on libc6 (>> 2.17); however: |
| 13:18.14 | dpkg | topi`: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
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| 13:19.32 | ompaul | jhutchins: could we coin the phrase "leeching to failure" |
| 13:19.47 | topi` | I guess libc-dev-bin isn't a completely essential pkg? |
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| 13:20.22 | jhutchins | !tell topi` about ssb |
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| 13:20.42 | topi` | damn, another stumbling block. |
| 13:20.43 | topi` | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 13:20.56 | jhutchins | topi`: See the private message from dpkg. |
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| 13:21.32 | topi` | jhutchins: thanks |
| 13:21.39 | topi` | oh, aptitude has a build-dep command... |
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| 13:22.20 | topi` | once upon a time, I created an elaborate python script to analyze and recursively build all dependencies for a given deb-src package... |
| 13:22.29 | nex | ompaul: "GRUB_TERMINAL=console " is already commented. I also did "grub-mkconfig". Still nothing. Can you elaborate a bit please? |
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| 13:23.51 | ompaul | nex: see the message from the bot |
| 13:24.18 | nex | it took me to the grub2 poge |
| 13:24.18 | nex | page* |
| 13:24.47 | ompaul | nex: I had the bot send you the fixmbr message- it works the twice I've had to use it |
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| 13:26.34 | babilen | nex: Did you run the commands the bot mentioned in the private message I had it sent you some time ago (i.e. "update-grub2" and "grub-install /dev/sdX" with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sda and the device node of the harddrive you are booting from) |
| 13:26.35 | ompaul | nex: if that is not working for you then to disentangle whatever you are in have done I'd almost suggest rebooting the live cd joining irc and doing the following /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 13:27.17 | babilen | ompaul: I asked nex to do that a couple of hours ago. I guess something went wrong during that procedure and nex might want to elaborate on what that was exactly. |
| 13:27.46 | ompaul | babilen: ah ok |
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| 13:29.46 | babilen | nex: So, what is the output of those commands? What have you tried in the interim? |
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| 13:30.48 | nex | babilen, the commands runb successfully. Grub installled no errors. But at startup after reboot, it just comes as "Welcome to grub" --> "grub>" |
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| 13:31.40 | babilen | nex: Could you show me your exact commands and their output? |
| 13:31.46 | babilen | (on http://paste.debian.net) |
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| 13:32.21 | nex | babilen, I am using rescue-live-cd of debian. Does that have an effect? |
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| 13:33.20 | babilen | nex: Also include standard troubleshooting information such as the release of Debian you are tracking and "apt-cache policy PKG" output for grub-pc (and so on) -- It shouldn't make a difference how exactly you chroot into the system as long as you perform all steps. |
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| 13:37.21 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI1 | looks like grub is installed fine but it's missing any grub.cfg menuentries because it wasn't properly grub-updated inside chroot? |
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| 13:42.36 | nex | I am mounting /dev/sda1 to /mnt and then mounting dev, proc, sys. Then I do update-grub && grub-install /dev/sda not "sda1". Is that correct? |
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| 13:44.39 | nex | The output of last command is http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7cfeb089/ |
| 13:44.40 | babilen | nex: Yes, that is correct. It is quite important to install it to /dev/sda and not to, say, /dev/sda1 (or another partition) |
| 13:44.54 | babilen | nex: Please paste *all* commands and their respective output. |
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| 13:44.56 | nex | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7cfeb089/ |
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| 13:45.54 | babilen | nex: Please also include the output ls "ls -l /boot" and "aptitude search '~i~n^linux-image'" please |
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| 13:46.35 | nex | babilen, uhh I am in terminal with no X server. rescue disk has no X. IRC on another laptop. Is there a way I can collect output? |
| 13:48.02 | babilen | nex: You can use script(1) to record your session and paste that with, say, nopaste (cf. "/msg dpkg nopaste") or pastebinit. Alternatively use a live CD with X so that we can work on this problem a bit more productively than it is possible right now. |
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| 13:48.28 | nex | Ok. |
| 13:48.29 | Penix | or bring up a network connection on the live system |
| 13:48.36 | Penix | redirect output to a file, scp |
| 13:48.47 | tilt | dpkg, gpm |
| 13:48.47 | dpkg | gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the application itself interprets the mouse clicks. http://www.nico.schottelius.org/software/gpm/ #gpm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:48.47 | Penix | or ssh in |
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| 13:49.53 | babilen | nex: What happens is, though, that the scripts that write your grub configuration can not find a kernel. The question is now why that is. The easiest explanation would be that you don't have a kernel installed so a bit of background for your system's history (in particular as it pertaines to the kernel and bootloader configuration) would come in handy. |
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| 13:50.47 | julius_ | gi |
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| 13:50.51 | julius_ | hi |
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| 13:52.50 | julius_ | the the debian manual: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd its said that you can add a boot entry for grub and copy a cd iso image on the drive to install from it |
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| 13:53.54 | julius_ | is it true that the kernel thats booted knows trough: set root='(hd0,msdos1)' to boot the image? |
| 13:54.21 | julius_ | how would i copy the image to a partition, as a file on a existing file system or like: cp image.iso /dev/sda5 |
| 13:54.23 | r00t-err0r | Onaj osecaj kad ti se spava i uporno pokusavas da otvoris port 66786 na localhostu i cudis se sto nece :) |
| 13:54.40 | julius_ | r00t-err0r, yeah, wrong channel |
| 13:54.44 | r00t-err0r | yap :D |
| 13:54.46 | r00t-err0r | sry :D |
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| 13:55.31 | BotaniCar | r00t-err0r: yes, beeing tired is directly related to closed ports :) |
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| 13:55.55 | r00t-err0r | i know man :) |
| 13:56.04 | miss0r | I am having a horrible issue getting C&C generals working on this play on linux. The game seems to work properly, except for the network part - err:winsock:interface_bind Failed to bind to interface, receiving broadcast packets will not work on socket 017c. What can I do to fix/allow wine to use winsock? (The horrible part being, I have 3 friends sitting next to me, each with a windows laptop playing the game without me right now) |
| 13:56.14 | Penix | julius_: is this method your only way to install? you don't have a small usb flash drive, or some other external media available? |
| 13:56.19 | r00t-err0r | i said , that feeling when you sleeping and you try to open port 66786 and wondering why port isnt open :D |
| 13:56.44 | julius_ | Penix, i would like to try it...dont like external media |
| 13:57.02 | Penix | it's really going to be a lot less hassle |
| 13:57.23 | julius_ | Penix, cant be that hard |
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| 13:57.29 | babilen | miss0r: #playonlinux might be a better channel for that question as it doesn't seem to really be related to Debian at all. (apart from hopefully being run on Debian, but the expert knowledge required is that of pol not Debian) |
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| 13:58.13 | miss0r | babilen, It is run on debian, yes. I will go there, thank you |
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| 13:59.44 | Penix | julius_: it can be done, but afaik you need to specify an iso file location and use the 'loopback' grub module. it really would be easier to just dd an image to a thumb drive. would take two minutes. but, hit google if you really want to do it |
| 14:00.01 | NineTails | Is debian ever coming to my phone? |
| 14:00.18 | Penix | NineTails: no |
| 14:00.30 | NineTails | Pretty please? |
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| 14:00.31 | Penix | NineTails: chroot or bust |
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| 14:01.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is some form of union-mounted squashfs root supported in Debian by boot scripts / initramfs? |
| 14:01.20 | pengunix | Where can I add a custom CA auth globally to a Debian system? |
| 14:01.25 | topi` | how does apt-get remember which packages are "to be installed"? I already removed my "sid" line from sources.list but I still get this: |
| 14:01.28 | topi` | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.13-38) but 2.17-97 is to be installed |
| 14:01.32 | pengunix | (I know, some programs use their own keystore and they have to be managed, too) |
| 14:01.38 | topi` | I did run sudo apt-get update |
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| 14:01.54 | Penix | topi`: let me guess. you're using stable, and you added sid sources? |
| 14:01.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | pengunix: /etc/ca-certificates, if that's available |
| 14:02.03 | topi` | Penix: yes, unfortunately |
| 14:02.11 | babilen | miss0r: And sorry for being the "Linux guy" at the gaming get together ... but I guess that we really can't help. :-/ -- #winehq might have some valuable insights too as (IIRC) POL uses that in the background. The channel might be more active too. |
| 14:02.16 | Penix | topi`: you're own then. don't do that |
| 14:02.29 | Penix | on your own, rather |
| 14:02.30 | topi` | Penix: right. I'm just trying to restore the state of the system... |
| 14:02.40 | Penix | topi`: the figure out what you installed to break it |
| 14:02.54 | nex | babilen, here it is http://paste.debian.net/hidden/29a973cc/ |
| 14:03.00 | topi` | Penix: just pypy, but it happened to take a new libc with it |
| 14:03.08 | Penix | topi`: there you go |
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| 14:03.55 | topi` | I already dpkg -i installed the old libc which happened to be in /var/cache/apt |
| 14:03.55 | eburitus | is there any knowledge, when jessie gets mumble server? |
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| 14:04.20 | topi` | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 14:04.39 | topi` | does this mean that some of my pkgs are in "hold" state? Like in the old world dselect sense |
| 14:04.47 | nkuttler | ,v libc6 |
| 14:04.48 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.17-97; sid: 2.17-97; experimental: 2.18-0experimental0 |
| 14:05.11 | nkuttler | topi`: welcome to testing |
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| 14:05.52 | topi` | dpkg -l | grep -v '^ii' |
| 14:05.52 | dpkg | ii | grep -v '^ii' 2.5-4.2 topi`'s private porn collection |
| 14:06.12 | topi` | evidently no packages are in HOLD state, that regexp would have found htem... |
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| 14:06.39 | nkuttler | topi`: dependencies can be broken in testing/sid |
| 14:06.39 | topi` | ok, I guess my best bet then is to reinstall everything |
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| 14:06.47 | nkuttler | sounds like a plan |
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| 14:06.58 | Penix | topi`: be sure to learn from this mistake |
| 14:06.59 | topi` | does dpkg-getselections | setselections still work as of old? |
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| 14:07.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell topi` -about aptitude clone |
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| 14:08.46 | nex | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/29a973cc/ |
| 14:08.56 | topi` | babilen: oh. definitely good to know that about preserving "automatically installed" state |
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| 14:10.10 | miss0r | babilen, Yeah, I am talking to both thoes channels now, but it doesn't seem theres even a solution out there at the moment. |
| 14:10.31 | pengunix | Eduard_Munteanu: thanks. |
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| 14:10.46 | pengunix | Eduard_Munteanu: There are 4 files: squid.crt squid.csr squid.key squid.key.org |
| 14:10.56 | pengunix | Eduard_Munteanu: what file is the ca cert? The key.org file? |
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| 14:11.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | pengunix: no, all key files are secrets |
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| 14:11.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | pengunix: use certtool to inspect squid.crt |
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| 14:12.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | pengunix: by the way, how did you generate them? |
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| 14:14.50 | pengunix | Eduard_Munteanu: some tutorial for making a squid ssl cert for transparent ssl |
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| 14:15.16 | mamed | hello guys . where can i find the apt-offline for windows ? |
| 14:15.27 | julius_ | Penix, hm....thats not in the manual |
| 14:15.34 | julius_ | Penix, i mean the loopback part |
| 14:15.49 | julius_ | Penix, will check if usb boot is supported |
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| 14:16.17 | g3ky | Anyone here with a hybrid ATI/Intel Graphic Card? |
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| 14:18.25 | Penix | g3ky: most likely |
| 14:18.39 | jhutchins | !bumblebee |
| 14:18.39 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 14:19.00 | Penix | julius_: via grub? is there a reason you're avoiding simply booting from usb via your system's firmware (bios/efi)? |
| 14:19.22 | julius_ | Penix, board is pretty old and got no cd attached |
| 14:19.24 | g3ky | Penix, Finally! =) Are you using proprietary fglrx drivers? |
| 14:19.29 | julius_ | Penix, yes grub |
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| 14:19.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | pengunix: that sounds a bit unnecessary, be sure to understand the implications |
| 14:19.43 | Penix | g3ky: no, I don't have ati video. |
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| 14:20.18 | g3ky | Penix, So I get it your using the open source drivers? |
| 14:20.24 | Penix | g3ky: no |
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| 14:21.01 | Penix | g3ky: I was answering your vague question: yes, it is likely that somebody here is using the hardware you mentioned |
| 14:21.02 | g3ky | Penix, huh, Sorry, I don't understand. |
| 14:21.16 | Penix | g3ky: is there something in particular you're having trouble with? |
| 14:21.18 | g3ky | oh, lol =) ok |
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| 14:22.36 | topi` | is there any difference (to the package db) whether stuff gets installed via apt-get or aptitude? |
| 14:22.57 | topi` | I see aptitude shows the state of the packages (as auto installed etc.) |
| 14:23.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | topi`: they should be interchangeable |
| 14:23.53 | abrotman | topi`: not really |
| 14:24.24 | g3ky | Penix, Well! I got switcharoo enabled, but when i switch to discrete graphic card, it turns off my display, yet its still working, as in I can ssh and see that it swiched. |
| 14:24.25 | topi` | aptitude does have the nice feature that it's clearly showing the steps that it suggests to fix the sitution at hand |
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| 14:25.04 | jhutchins | g3ky: bumblebee is still a rare and experimental technology. |
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| 14:25.53 | jhutchins | g3ky: One of the problems is that some manufacturers implement it in a non-standard / broken way so only their special software will control it. |
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| 14:26.40 | g3ky | jhulst, Darn. |
| 14:26.42 | abrotman | not really that rare, or experimental .. It is very broken IMO though :) |
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| 14:28.34 | jhutchins | g3ky: Still, it sometimes works, and the nice thing about Linux is that you can do a lot of tweaking. Check the forums for your specific hardware. |
| 14:28.34 | pengunix | Eduard_Munteanu: how can I remove a cert usingupdate-ca-certificates? |
| 14:28.43 | pengunix | Eduard_Munteanu: already removed the cert file from /usr/local/share/ca-certificates |
| 14:28.57 | pengunix | Eduard_Munteanu: but there was 0 to be removed, so I guess it is still there |
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| 14:30.02 | g3ky | jholden, Yes, I been googling past 2 days. Trying stuff! |
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| 14:30.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | pengunix: dunno, shouldn't you be using /etc/ca-certificates? |
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| 14:30.36 | g3ky | But it would be nice to find some one who is using hybrid graphics, and compare system setting with them. |
| 14:30.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm not running a full Debian right now, can't tell. |
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| 14:36.52 | evdo | is there any easy way to revert any debian installation to minimal? i want to remove everthing except ssh server, do i have to do it manually? |
| 14:37.45 | eburitus | i would like to make mumble work with jessie. wheres the instructions for developing debian? i would also make patch official. can i do it? |
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| 14:38.08 | eburitus | as mumble i meant mumble server |
| 14:38.10 | Worf | evdo: if the desired state is minimal + ssh, wouldn't a debootstrap + install of ssh and kernel be quicker anyway? :) |
| 14:38.45 | Sarodj | hey guys, i have a question i installed firefox but it sits in /opt. now it seems like apparmor is not working, is this correct? |
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| 14:39.32 | Penix | Sarodj: you've installed a third-party, non-debian build |
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| 14:39.50 | Penix | Sarodj: apt-get install iceweasel |
| 14:40.59 | Sarodj | is iceweasel suported in apparmor? |
| 14:41.11 | evdo | Worf: its my vps, i want to remove everything except ssh |
| 14:41.29 | Penix | Sarodj: I don't know, but the way you've installed firefox is not supported here |
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| 14:41.45 | Penix | Sarodj: google may know. check the bts |
| 14:41.49 | Sarodj | alright then |
| 14:41.51 | Sarodj | thank you |
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| 14:47.20 | Worf | evdo: there are quite some search patterns you can feed aptitude with. maybe you figure out something to create a list of packages that are not part of the base system ( priority required ), and uninstall (almost) everything else |
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| 14:49.33 | Yeretik | Can anybody invite me to #debian-next? |
| 14:49.50 | daemonkeeper | Wrong network. |
| 14:50.10 | jhutchins | Yeretik: You need to be on oftc.net |
| 14:50.21 | Yeretik | jhutchins, Oops |
| 14:50.34 | Yeretik | Fu%#$@% automated login |
| 14:50.42 | Yeretik | Thanks and sorry |
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| 14:51.28 | jelly | !penixstrike |
| 14:51.28 | dpkg | Dozens of Penices shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
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| 14:53.51 | evdo | any answer? |
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| 14:55.20 | evdo | i want to revert my vps to minimal, is there any easy way? i am new to linux :| |
| 14:56.11 | abrotman | from what? |
| 14:56.31 | abrotman | evdo: what else is installed that isn't "minimal" ? |
| 14:56.40 | jhutchins | evdo: Probably the easiest way is to reinstall. |
| 14:56.40 | jelly | the easy way probably hides somewhere in the depths of aptitude manual and its query language |
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| 14:57.12 | jelly | (and it's not easy since it requires a bit of knowledge of debian layout) |
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| 14:57.53 | jelly | evdo: additionally, your vendor may have put extra packaged or unpackaged functionality to make the VPS work at all |
| 14:58.28 | evdo | it comes with apache and smbd etc etc.. i just want to keep ssh ... dpkg -l shows long list O.o |
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| 14:59.35 | jelly | !standard task |
| 14:59.35 | dpkg | methinks standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
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| 14:59.50 | jelly | purging everything not in that list might work |
| 15:00.09 | jelly | evdo: NO WARRANTY if your system end up unusable |
| 15:00.16 | abrotman | looks at jhutchins |
| 15:00.37 | abrotman | he could start by removing things that are optional ? |
| 15:00.39 | jelly | looks at abrotman looking at jhutchins |
| 15:00.53 | abrotman | though, that does include openssh-server, which is not good to remove |
| 15:01.08 | abrotman | feels like openssh-server should probably be important ? |
| 15:01.20 | evdo | :D |
| 15:01.57 | abrotman | evdo: start by removing the packages you know you don't want .. extra daemons, etc |
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| 15:02.29 | jelly | evdo: what does aptitude -s remove '~i~poptional' do? :-) |
| 15:02.38 | jelly | (pastebin the full output) |
| 15:03.02 | evdo | okay |
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| 15:04.48 | jelly | notes that linux-image-* packages are Priority: optional |
| 15:05.23 | abrotman | neat! |
| 15:06.03 | evdo | y/n/q? |
| 15:06.08 | dvs | heh? |
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| 15:06.39 | fotostudiojovana | where people usually upload screenshoot when they need .png to ask a question? |
| 15:06.48 | jelly | evdo: there's more of that output than just the last line |
| 15:06.52 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:06.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 15:07.28 | Hassen | I newly reinstalled debia 7 wheezy,but the list of the usual packages i try to download via the synaptic aren't visible anymore,comparing to the previous debian installation,how come?? |
| 15:07.44 | Hassen | like vlc/redshift/etc.. |
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| 15:09.58 | movedx | Hello. Ubuntu has a directory, '/etc/default/'. Is this inherited from Debian? |
| 15:10.04 | jelly | movedx: yes |
| 15:10.22 | evdo | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/72712/ |
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| 15:10.26 | movedx | Thank you. I want to update a Puppet class to include a /etc/default/puppet file. |
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| 15:10.44 | dvs | !tell Hassen about wheezy sources |
| 15:11.02 | Hassen | !sourcex |
| 15:11.03 | Hassen | !sources |
| 15:11.06 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:11.14 | fotostudiojovana | http://picpaste.com/1-Ek0SFKkI.jpg |
| 15:11.27 | dvs | !tell Hassen about wheezy sources.list |
| 15:11.34 | fotostudiojovana | is this looks normal for running processis in wheesy debian? |
| 15:11.39 | dutchfish | Hassen, https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 15:11.42 | fotostudiojovana | some of them multiply |
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| 15:11.58 | jelly | evdo: add insserv+ aptitude+ to the command line, and repeat: aptitude -s remove '~i~poptional' insserv+ aptitude+ |
| 15:12.07 | Hassen | lmao |
| 15:12.15 | abrotman | it's real funny isn't it ... |
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| 15:12.33 | Hassen | abrotman, shushhhh |
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| 15:12.35 | jelly | evdo: keep adding back "important" packages to the command line with name+ until things appeaaar to work |
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| 15:13.24 | jelly | evdo: that probably includes your openssh-server. After you figure out a working combination, remove "-s" if you feel lucky |
| 15:13.29 | jelly | punk |
| 15:14.35 | jelly | fotostudiojovana: I only have a single console-kit-daemon |
| 15:14.38 | jelly | process |
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| 15:14.50 | evdo | i have no idea how does this command work :( |
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| 15:16.32 | jelly | evdo: you have to inspect the output and accept a solution it finds. |
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| 15:16.53 | evdo | okay |
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| 15:17.19 | jelly | evdo: I would not do this on a production system. |
| 15:17.19 | bs0d | Hello. Sorry for newbie questions - what is the difference between linux-image-3.2.0.4-amd64 and linux-image-amd64? |
| 15:17.19 | fotostudiojovana | jelly what does it mean? i have also apache2 several times |
| 15:17.24 | fotostudiojovana | http://picpaste.com/2-Lv1sKCPF.jpg |
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| 15:17.26 | jelly | fotostudiojovana: that is normal |
| 15:17.50 | dvs | bs0d: linux-image-amd64 will always get the latest version |
| 15:18.01 | jelly | that's how apache2 prefork model works |
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| 15:18.27 | evdo | l |
| 15:18.33 | fotostudiojovana | ok. thanx jelly :) |
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| 15:20.28 | evdo | i have another question, if i type date it shows Fri Dec 27 20:48:31 III 2013 --- i want to see it as Fri Dec 27 08:48:31 PM III 2013, is there any way? |
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| 15:21.17 | dvs | evdo: the -d option |
| 15:21.18 | bs0d | dvs: thank you, that's what I need |
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| 15:21.46 | evdo | dvs: what -d? |
| 15:22.02 | dvs | evdo: the -d option for the date command |
| 15:22.29 | jelly | III? |
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| 15:22.50 | dvs | was wondering about that too |
| 15:22.55 | evdo | my country |
| 15:23.00 | jelly | that's one weird timezone |
| 15:23.07 | evdo | :D |
| 15:23.33 | jelly | does TZ=III date |
| 15:23.44 | evdo | that is not any timezone yet, i maked it |
| 15:23.54 | evdo | *mask |
| 15:24.33 | evdo | i want to see it as 12 hours cock its possible? |
| 15:24.49 | jelly | oh, noone cares that you're in Argentina anyway |
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| 15:25.40 | evdo | its possible? |
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| 15:26.32 | jelly | evdo: choose a custom format for date, start with date +'%r' |
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| 15:27.56 | evdo | cool, is there anyway to make it system default? |
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| 15:29.29 | val_erie | I need java 7u45 or later release to be nstalled. Is it available through debian packages? |
| 15:29.42 | jelly | evdo: no idea. Perhaps by messing with locale specifications |
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| 15:30.02 | jelly | evdo: for inteactive shell usage, jsut make a shell alias |
| 15:30.40 | jelly | val_erie: it's not, you have to download the tarball from Oracle and make packages yourself using make-jpkg tool from java-package package |
| 15:30.59 | dvs | val_erie: That's what java-package is for (but I haven't used it for a while) |
| 15:31.30 | jelly | use the latest possible java-package, btw |
| 15:31.36 | jelly | ,v java-package |
| 15:31.37 | judd | Package: java-package on i386 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.50+nmu2; wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.53~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.53; sid/contrib: 0.53 |
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| 15:32.02 | jelly | (the one from wheezy-backports, if you're running stable) |
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| 15:45.26 | Pe3k | hello, pls how can I start downloading and playing (file which is being downloaded) simultaneously using one script? |
| 15:45.51 | mjt | vlc http://.... ;) |
| 15:46.47 | Pe3k | mjt: ok, but vlc only uses some cache memory .. or not? I need to have the file stored |
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| 15:47.05 | gusto | hi |
| 15:47.30 | mjt | well, it downloads and plays at the same time. It doesn't save, but you didn't ask about that ; |
| 15:47.33 | mjt | :) |
| 15:47.34 | jordanm | maybe something like wget -O - http://... | tee file.mp3 | mplayer - |
| 15:47.36 | babilen | Pe3k: Download the file normally and simply start playing it with a media player of your choice. |
| 15:47.39 | gusto | any idea how to make debian-backports active? i already did -t debian backports update, so it not that important, however, i am interested in how to activate it by default |
| 15:48.03 | ksk | !tell gusto about bpo |
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| 15:48.17 | dvs | ksk: That won't make it default |
| 15:48.24 | ksk | gusto: you want to get selected packages from backports, you dont want to default to backports |
| 15:48.51 | ksk | whats the reason you wanted to do that? |
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| 15:50.17 | alusion | hey debian |
| 15:50.25 | alusion | Last night i was about to get my network pwned over IRC |
| 15:50.30 | dvs | !enter |
| 15:50.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 15:50.32 | alusion | I got a quick question |
| 15:50.37 | alusion | if I reset my IP through the router |
| 15:50.39 | alusion | will I be okay |
| 15:51.07 | Jazayri | Any idea about compiling numpy 1.8 for python 2.7 http://pastebin.com/rECgHDG6 thank you all |
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| 15:52.40 | babilen | Jazayri: I'd install it in a virtualenv and you have to install the build-depdencies of it. Take a look at the python-numpy package to get an idea, but keep in mind that 1.8 is in experimental. |
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| 15:55.36 | babilen | Jazayri: The build log you pasted if pretty verbose about the exact libraries that are missing. You have to install those if you want to build against them (e.g. atlas, blas, ..). As always on Debian you have to install the -dev packages (if available) of those libraries, but that should be easily solved by simply installing the build depdencies. |
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| 15:56.26 | babilen | Jazayri: And once again: Do this in a virtualenv into which you install with pip. Please do not install it in the system-wide Python site-packages. |
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| 16:00.30 | evdo | iptables totally useless against udp flood? |
| 16:00.58 | Jazayri | babilen: yeah i thought that it was the build depdencies.. thank you |
| 16:01.23 | ksk | umbrella tottaly useless against water? (no if rain, yes if tsunami) - one cannot answer that generic question evdo |
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| 16:02.20 | ksk | evdo: if the attack has a volume like your uplink-port(eg. 100mbi/s) theres nothing you can do on the server |
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| 16:02.53 | evdo | good point, my teamspeak3 server getting udp flood, someone told me i cant prevent it with iptables |
| 16:03.35 | socomm | evdo: can't you stop it at the router level? |
| 16:03.35 | Jazayri | babilen: i must install them separetly.. there is no magic command to install them all ? |
| 16:03.44 | evdo | its a vps |
| 16:04.11 | socomm | evdo: even better, call up your VPS provider and have them do the work |
| 16:04.31 | babilen | Jazayri: "apt-get build-dep PKG", but please note that the build dependencies of the package in wheezy (1.6) might differ from the one in experimental. |
| 16:04.33 | Jazayri | babilen: it's just torun a Py script who will display the weather in desktop |
| 16:04.47 | evdo | yes they suspended my 2 vps, do the work |
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| 16:05.36 | babilen | Jazayri: I would be quite surprised if it really requires numpy 1.8, but pray continue. |
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| 16:07.12 | jhutchins | evdo: With iptables the packets have to reach the kernel before anything happens to them. Unless you block them upstream you can still get a DOS. |
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| 16:08.00 | jhutchins | evdo: Despite the Windows fad, a firewall can't really protect the device it's running on. |
| 16:08.24 | evdo | where do i find real life iptables script for udp port? i dont know why people dont share these ... |
| 16:08.29 | Jazayri | babilen: this is what i get in terminal when i run the weather py script http://pastebin.com/TJpmxYG0 |
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| 16:12.00 | Jazayri | babilen: the best is just settle for checking weather via a web browser :/ |
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| 16:12.52 | Sonikk | or via window |
| 16:13.02 | socomm | evdo: you should stop it at the router level |
| 16:13.24 | abrotman | evdo: ask your provider to stop it, you can't do much to stop it |
| 16:13.28 | socomm | evdo: most VPS providers have fancy network PIX firewalls |
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| 16:14.33 | socomm | evdo: [IP Firewall]-[router]-[network hosts] |
| 16:14.38 | guardianx | What's the difference between a cow and 9/11? You stop milking a cow after a few years. |
| 16:14.51 | socomm | evdo: so the traffic gets dropped before it even reaches the router, no load whatsoever on your host |
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| 16:15.00 | abrotman | guardianx: not funny, not the right place for it |
| 16:15.13 | val_erie | !java7 |
| 16:15.22 | val_erie | !java |
| 16:15.22 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:15.30 | socomm | guardianx: debian related? |
| 16:15.36 | babilen | Jazayri: The numeric module has been deprecated for quite some time now and I doubt that you want to run that script with superuser privileges. I'd recommend to ask in #python about further problems btw (I'm there too fwiw) |
| 16:15.42 | socomm | val_erie: /msg dpkg |
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| 16:16.18 | evdo | socomm: abrotman: okay, in some tutorial it says "block incorrect length UDP packages which are never used" how do i know which is incorrect? |
| 16:16.31 | abrotman | evdo: Ask your provider. |
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| 16:16.57 | socomm | evdo: regardless if you block it on your host ... the traffic will still be hitting your machine |
| 16:17.18 | socomm | I am uncertain if you've bandwidth quota or not, but that could go against your monthly bandwidth quota |
| 16:17.23 | evdo | yes i get it, since its vps i cant do much |
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| 16:17.33 | babilen | Jazayri: In fact it's ancient ... I wouldn't run such old unmaintained code without triple checking it. In particular not for something as unimportant as weather. For future reference: If you want to install python-module in Debian you simply install the corresponding package. For numpy that would be python-numpy and you can install it with "apt-get install python-numpy" |
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| 16:18.02 | socomm | evdo: blocking your attacker would be mutually benefitial for your provider -- you know the attacker wouldn't be able to hit anyone else behind their router |
| 16:18.03 | socomm | :^/ |
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| 16:18.43 | XPSHY | español? |
| 16:18.56 | socomm | evdo: you can't do much? I mean you only pay the provider, would it be too much to ask them to add a line on their security appliance to drop traffic from your attackers IP add? |
| 16:19.05 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:19.05 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 16:19.08 | abrotman | XPSHY: ^^ |
| 16:19.10 | socomm | XPSHY: como se dice enchilada |
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| 16:19.15 | abrotman | ... |
| 16:19.26 | abrotman | socomm: you're nearing the noise/signal threshold |
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| 16:20.06 | socomm | abrotman: ? |
| 16:20.23 | XPSHY | socomm: prestame a tu hermana |
| 16:20.30 | XPSHY | ok no prestame atencion mejor |
| 16:20.37 | XPSHY | urge se me averio el sistema de |
| 16:20.43 | XPSHY | x en debian |
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| 16:20.46 | abrotman | XPSHY: #debian-es, not here |
| 16:21.05 | XPSHY | y no ptm todos duermen en debian-es |
| 16:21.18 | abrotman | XPSHY: #debian-es on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:21.22 | sam_uk | Is there a problem with debian uk mirror servers? Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libr .. |
| 16:21.30 | evdo | what can i say, small companies claim to be ddos protected vps, and they suspended my 2 vps for udp flood, sill dont know if its inside to outside or outside to inside... |
| 16:21.32 | abrotman | sam_uk: aptitude update, try again |
| 16:21.33 | socomm | XPSHY: #debian-es |
| 16:21.39 | abrotman | evdo: for the last time .. ASK YOUR PROVIDER |
| 16:21.46 | Jazayri | babilen: okay, thanks for all the informations |
| 16:21.50 | evdo | i know i know |
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| 16:21.56 | XPSHY | fu |
| 16:21.59 | abrotman | evdo: so please drop the topic |
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| 16:22.19 | socomm | I'm not sure if evdo is a troll or just very stubborn person |
| 16:22.30 | abrotman | Then please don't answer hi |
| 16:22.31 | abrotman | him |
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| 16:26.39 | pengunix | How does squid-deb-proxy work? Does it start a new, separate squid3 instance using the same squid3 binary but a different configuration file? |
| 16:26.44 | pengunix | I didn't know this is possible |
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| 16:32.13 | movedx | How often does ntpd (Debian/Ubuntu) update the time? I am unfamiliar with the protocol's specifics. |
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| 16:32.49 | Nik05 | i think it send like a few bytes every few seconds or something |
| 16:32.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | movedx: for its intents and purposes, continuously |
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| 16:33.38 | abrotman | movedx: which are you asking about? |
| 16:33.48 | abrotman | bytes? |
| 16:33.50 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 16:33.58 | Nik05 | kilobytes :P |
| 16:34.13 | abrotman | still, no |
| 16:34.38 | Nik05 | then what is it? |
| 16:34.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | If they meant network traffic then there should be little traffic given modern hardware. |
| 16:34.51 | movedx | Eduard_Munteanu: OK, so I if install NTPd and then configure it, it doesn't update the date/time straight away. However if I disable the daemon and use ntpdate directly against the same NTP server, it works and updates date/time. |
| 16:35.23 | abrotman | movedx: which OS are you asking about? |
| 16:35.31 | movedx | Debian and or Ubuntu. |
| 16:35.32 | Nik05 | the program runs all the time, and synchronises all the time |
| 16:35.34 | abrotman | no .. which |
| 16:35.36 | movedx | (I stated this) |
| 16:35.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | movedx: yes, your clock needs to be reasonably close to correct |
| 16:35.48 | abrotman | movedx: please use #ubuntu for Ubuntu questions |
| 16:36.00 | movedx | Eduard_Munteanu: Ah! So if it's out by a few hours, then I need to manually update it? |
| 16:36.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | movedx: ntpd only does small adjustments so it will take a long time or abort completely if it's way off |
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| 16:36.14 | movedx | That makes sense, aye. |
| 16:36.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | movedx: yes, either using ntpdate or ntp -q -g (IIRC) |
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| 16:36.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | movedx: er, ntpd -q -g |
| 16:36.43 | movedx | I wonder if this PUppet NTP module should be updated to do a sync then. Hmm. |
| 16:36.47 | movedx | Thanks very much Eduard_Munteanu |
| 16:36.50 | babilen | movedx: Please seek support for Ubuntu in #ubuntu as we do not support it in here. Thanks. |
| 16:37.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | movedx: how come your system is that way off from real time? |
| 16:37.21 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: please go to #ubuntu with him |
| 16:37.26 | movedx | Yeah I've already had that useless advice, babilen, but thanks. |
| 16:37.26 | Nik05 | abrotman it sends just a few bytes 48bytes to be exact, and sends them every few seconds |
| 16:37.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ok. |
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| 16:37.39 | abrotman | movedx: this channel is for Debian support, not Ubuntu support |
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| 16:38.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | movedx: I'm in #ubuntu now |
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| 16:43.31 | davide_ | hallo if I have installed Laptop-mode-tool on lenovo thinkpad t430 with debian testing, the configuration file is auto-configurated? |
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| 16:44.12 | sam_uk | abrotman, I still get 404's Err http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main |
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| 16:44.20 | socomm | davide_: install it and find out? |
| 16:44.31 | abrotman | sam_uk: pastebin the whole thing please |
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| 16:46.20 | davide_ | socomm: how can I see if the devices are to be suspended? for example wifi or usb |
| 16:46.57 | sam_uk | abrotman, It's a lot of packages! http://pastebin.com/xJxb2eWw |
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| 16:47.13 | sam_uk | abrotman, doing testing > sid move |
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| 16:49.08 | KaaK | anyone ever experience 'hub 1-0:1.0: port 1 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling...' messages in syslog before? |
| 16:49.36 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:50.31 | ra5ai | hi |
| 16:50.57 | jhutchins | Eduard_Munteanu: movedx seems to be gone, but the -q option limits the immediate change and causes any remaining difference to be applied over time. The default installation sets the -q option in /etc/default/ntp, so the system should set the correct time when it boots. |
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| 16:51.22 | jhutchins | Eduard_Munteanu: Sorry, the default uses the -g "set any value" switch. |
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| 16:52.13 | ra5ai | I can test my sound card successfully in mixer options, but I can make anything else play on it. I don't get it |
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| 16:52.55 | sam_uk | abrotman, seems to be working now.. |
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| 16:55.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | jhutchins: yes... you can run the full daemon with -g but it will behave differently for ulterior adjustments I think |
| 16:56.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | It's probably best to do a quick adjust and quit, then start the real ntpd. |
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| 16:56.55 | ra5ai | I tried everything, why won't it use the soundcard and instead the onboard audio |
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| 16:57.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | ra5ai: because it's not set as default soundcard |
| 16:57.29 | WormFood | you've tried everything ,except what makes it work :P |
| 16:57.54 | ra5ai | Eduard_Munteanu: but I looked everywhere, there's nowhere to set it so |
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| 16:58.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | ra5ai: you can either declare the other one default in an ~/.asoundrc file or edit /etc/modprobe.d stuff so the relevant module is loaded as the first soundcard |
| 16:59.28 | bsdbeard | I've got a local repository in my sources.list, how do I tell apt-get to install from that repo instead of wheezy stable? Tried reading man man apt_preferences but it has no info on local repos |
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| 16:59.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | ra5ai: https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Troubleshooting |
| 17:00.35 | ra5ai | Eduard_Munteanu: why doesn't the sound mixer have that simple option? |
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| 17:01.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | ra5ai: dunno if there's some way to set it from Gnome or some other graphical way |
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| 17:06.40 | ra5ai | Eduard_Munteanu: that's far too complex... i don't have asound installed and it's not documented well |
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| 17:07.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | ra5ai: you just need a "pcm.!default CARDNAME" line in ~/.asoundrc, create it if it's not there |
| 17:09.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | ra5ai: see "Default PCM device" under http://alsa.opensrc.org/Asoundrc |
| 17:10.19 | ra5ai | I can't even find a program called aplay |
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| 17:14.27 | ra5ai | fuck that shit |
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| 17:20.54 | sam_uk | bsdbeard, just comment out the online repos? # in front of line |
| 17:21.18 | bsdbeard | sam_uk, would I need to do a apt-get update after that? |
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| 17:21.29 | sam_uk | yep |
| 17:22.08 | bsdbeard | alright :( I guess there's no other way |
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| 17:24.09 | sam_uk | bsdbeard, I'm sure there is. I can't remember what it is though.. |
| 17:24.33 | bsdbeard | sam_uk, the man pages say to edit apt_preferences file, but I don't understand how to specify a repo in that file |
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| 17:25.13 | sam_uk | bsdbeard, is the local repo at the top of your sources list? Presumably it works from the top? (random guess) |
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| 17:25.19 | jordanm | the dpkg bot says that the wheezy installer supports EUFI.. It installed debian but did not prompt to or install bootloader |
| 17:25.32 | bsdbeard | sam_uk, Yes, it's at the very top |
| 17:25.38 | jordanm | is there any official documentation on getting it to boot? I am just finding a lot of hacks on forums etc |
| 17:25.44 | sam_uk | hmm so much for that idea |
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| 17:34.02 | psycheye | hi all |
| 17:34.04 | psycheye | :-) |
| 17:34.26 | psycheye | can anyone advice me with a rsync problem? |
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| 17:35.14 | babilen | dpkg: anyone |
| 17:35.14 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 17:35.42 | psycheye | babilen, :-) |
| 17:35.57 | psycheye | I've a openvpn server (tun) with 8 clients on other sides |
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| 17:36.08 | babilen | psycheye: Please note that there is the #rsync channel |
| 17:36.09 | psycheye | 1 of this clients goes timeout after some time |
| 17:36.22 | psycheye | babilen, I'm not sure is a rsync problem |
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| 17:36.47 | psycheye | I think the problem is something like ethernet card but I'm not sure |
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| 17:37.19 | ompaul | psycheye: put your facts such as they are, and the problem with error messages into an essay if it is more than 10 lines type it up on http://paste.debian.net including as many pertinent facts as possible |
| 17:37.57 | ompaul | psycheye: please do not use enter here, instead use full stops, commas and other such items. It makes it easier to work out what you thought you were doing. |
| 17:38.51 | psycheye | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yKVauM5S |
| 17:38.56 | psycheye | that's error |
| 17:39.00 | psycheye | ompaul, thanks |
| 17:39.08 | ompaul | and the story is ... |
| 17:39.38 | ompaul | have you established that the line actually went down between them? |
| 17:39.41 | ompaul | which side? |
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| 17:40.58 | psycheye | ompaul, server 8 is at Rome, rsync transfer some files and later goes down like pastebin link |
| 17:41.35 | ompaul | psycheye: and when you log into that client what can you see? traceroutes, logging information ping times? |
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| 17:42.18 | psycheye | ompaul, ping and ttl are ok and no logs error |
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| 17:42.47 | ompaul | psycheye: and do when you check openvpn how long is the link up? |
| 17:42.47 | psycheye | with tcpdump I see some "incorrect", I already played with ethtool but nothing |
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| 17:43.28 | psycheye | ompaul, what do u mean with "how long [...] link up"? |
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| 17:45.59 | ompaul | psycheye: if you are running into problems which you are assuming is openvpn, then you have other options, one of which is to fire up a rsync session and across that run ssh and do the work, if you think it is a network card as you said already, what evidence have you got for this. Really this is about you giving as much info as you have as early as possible. It doesn't work if you (A) interrupt, (B) withhold information you already have, you mentioned |
| 17:46.00 | ompaul | ping how was that established, from the server from the client, what exactly. I don't have access to the machines you do. |
| 17:46.47 | ompaul | psycheye: what we need here is clarity. |
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| 17:47.45 | nonconvergent | grumbbles about money |
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| 17:48.26 | psycheye | ompaul, yep sorry but my english is awful :-( it's hard to me write correctly |
| 17:48.45 | ompaul | !it |
| 17:48.45 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:48.53 | ompaul | psycheye: does that help? |
| 17:49.08 | psycheye | ompaul, no answer from debian-it |
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| 17:49.45 | ompaul | psycheye: so, please write an essay in paste.debian.net with all the information you have. do it there not pastbin cos that has adverts |
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| 17:50.10 | psycheye | ompaul, ok, for now thanks |
| 17:50.12 | pengunix | Hi |
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| 17:50.16 | psycheye | :-) |
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| 17:50.34 | pengunix | How can I remove some certs from the cert-store which has been added before by copying them into /usr/local/share/ca-certificates and issuing command update-ca-certificates? |
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| 17:52.46 | pengunix | anyone? |
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| 18:02.49 | netforce_ | hi guys |
| 18:03.13 | netforce_ | i have issue with my debian box |
| 18:03.51 | netforce_ | during installation i try to crypt hard drive |
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| 18:04.28 | netforce_ | and after that when i restart my laptop |
| 18:04.52 | netforce_ | my pc freeze and cant boot |
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| 18:05.37 | stojic | pengunix: man update-ca-certificates doesn't say anything explicitly, but one gets the feeling one should just remove the certificates from /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/ and run update-ca-certificates. You could try and then check to see whether symlinks to deleted certificates are removed from /etc/ssl/certs/. |
| 18:05.40 | pengunix | netforce_: does grub2 / the bootloader appears at least? |
| 18:05.48 | pengunix | stojic: thanks |
| 18:06.37 | netforce_ | no, black screen |
| 18:06.51 | netforce_ | i can`t open bios |
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| 18:07.17 | netforce_ | can`t open boot menu |
| 18:07.22 | netforce_ | or somting like this |
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| 18:12.22 | ChrisH | pengunix: does the cert from local/share shows up in /etc/ca-certificates.conf ? |
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| 18:22.06 | jhutchins | netforce_: If you can't get BIOS or the BIOS boot menu it's a hardware problem. |
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| 18:23.13 | nonconvergent | netforce_: Pull the hdd and try to boot. |
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| 18:23.31 | nonconvergent | It won't, but you'll get to the bios. |
| 18:25.06 | Almtesh | Hi, I'm looking for help. |
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| 18:25.41 | Almtesh | But, my problem does not have any relationship with debian (except linux). |
| 18:25.59 | Almtesh | I don't know here to find a solution. |
| 18:26.28 | mtn | Almtesh: maybe the ##linux channel |
| 18:26.41 | Almtesh | mtn, I'm trying. |
| 18:27.04 | Almtesh | It's about openelec on a raspberry pi. |
| 18:27.16 | jelly-home | !openelec |
| 18:27.31 | jelly-home | apparently that thing isn't even a known derivative |
| 18:28.01 | jelly-home | Almtesh: try to see whether there's a related channel: /msg alis list *openelec* |
| 18:28.02 | Almtesh | The channel #openelec does exist, but it's dead. |
| 18:28.14 | jelly-home | be patient |
| 18:28.29 | Almtesh | I tryed #xbmc too, but it's the same people. |
| 18:28.30 | jelly-home | small channels have working hours |
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| 18:29.06 | jelly-home | hours-days can pass until someone comments |
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| 18:31.40 | Almtesh | jelly-home, actually, I can't even find something about that. |
| 18:31.59 | Almtesh | jelly-home, if you have some ideas about keyword for a search. |
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| 18:32.08 | Almtesh | Oh, the problem. |
| 18:32.47 | Almtesh | When I watch mkv files with str subtitles, the characters éèçà œ are not displayed and the problem does not come from the font. |
| 18:34.41 | stojic | Almtesh: Perhaps you mean .srt subtitles? It sounds like you should set encoding in your video player. |
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| 18:36.04 | Almtesh | stojic, no, I meant str subtitles in the mkv file. |
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| 18:43.51 | gotomante | hello!! |
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| 18:45.11 | gotomante | does anyone know how to apply a proxy setting with autentication system wide in Wheezy?? |
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| 18:46.16 | jhutchins | Almtesh: I would look at the forums and documentation for whatever player you're using and see what they say. There's usually a lot of information about subtitles. I'd try a different player, if something else has been ported. If the configuration methods for the mainstream project don't work on the port, I'd find out what team worked on the port and see what they've discussed. Only then would I bug them about it. |
| 18:48.06 | Almtesh | jhutchins, yes, of course, but I don't know how to do that. Nothing appears nowhere about accented characters. |
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| 18:49.16 | wget | Hi guys. Why do you not provide Live USB install media in their 7.3 flavors ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
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| 18:49.44 | teraflops | ^^ |
| 18:50.13 | jhutchins | Almtesh: You're not looking for accented characters, you're looking for a character set that includes them. |
| 18:51.40 | Almtesh | jhutchins, I know it, it's utf8. |
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| 18:52.58 | Triku | wget: those isos you linked to are the live usb flavors. |
| 18:53.03 | macrobat | I'm trying to add the backports repo. Error: Err http://www.backports.debian.org wheezy-backports Release.gpg Could not resolve 'www.backports.debian.org' |
| 18:53.24 | macrobat | does backports need a special gpg key? |
| 18:53.36 | wget | Triku: Yep, that's true, but whay aren't they provided in 7.3? |
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| 18:54.23 | Triku | wget: oh, indeed. |
| 18:54.32 | macrobat | is this line in sources.list ok? deb http://www.backports.debian.org/debian-backports wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 18:56.01 | jordanm | macrobat: no, b.d.o isn't used after squeeze |
| 18:56.08 | jordanm | macrobat: use one of the regular mirrors |
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| 18:57.54 | macrobat | I tried a regular mirror. Maybe the url is wrong. I can visit it in the browser, but I don't know how to combine the distribution names with the url |
| 18:58.09 | jhutchins | macrobat: I think the problem is that www.backports.debian.org does not exist. Hence the fact that your DNS can not resolve it. |
| 18:58.28 | teraflops | sure |
| 18:58.33 | jhutchins | macrobat: Are you following the instructions from the backports site? Where did you get the URL? |
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| 18:58.59 | macrobat | oh, the "www." needs to go? |
| 18:59.19 | babilen | wget: It's not necessarily a good idea to install from the live images. They are live CDs that also provide some (not nearly as well tested) installation functionality |
| 18:59.44 | wols | babilen: don't they provide the same netinst as all others? |
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| 19:00.17 | babilen | wols: IIRC you can start some installation procedure from within the live CD (i.e. by clicking on "install" or so in the booted live CD) |
| 19:00.20 | sashman | hello is the 'zsh' the 'feature-fullest' of all shells? |
| 19:00.31 | babilen | sashman: It's a good shell, yes |
| 19:00.59 | macrobat | I'm trying to follow http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 19:01.15 | jhutchins | macrobat: That's pretty cut-and-paste. |
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| 19:08.04 | macrobat | I can visit main, contrib, non-free at this url, but aptitude update gets a 404 http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/ |
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| 19:08.55 | macrobat | is the format like this? "<url> wheezy-backports main contrib non-free" |
| 19:09.26 | rryoumaa | sashman: yes, of the major shells |
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| 19:09.46 | rryoumaa | but there are others |
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| 19:10.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | macrobat: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 19:11.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | macrobat: however I'm not sure there's a backports at this moment |
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| 19:11.20 | macrobat | no? |
| 19:11.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | A few months ago there wasn't, wheezy is still young. |
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| 19:11.38 | macrobat | http://backports.debian.org/changes/wheezy-backports.html lists some pkgs |
| 19:11.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, nevermind then. |
| 19:12.04 | hoactzin | i'm trying to install emacs-snapshot-lucid, and can't see how to resolve some dependencies |
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| 19:12.46 | babilen | Eduard_Munteanu: Surely there is wheezy-backports (there are even jessie-backports) |
| 19:12.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | Cool, alright. |
| 19:13.13 | jordanm | hoactzin: if it's meant for ubuntu, it's likely that you can't |
| 19:13.16 | hoactzin | nope |
| 19:13.17 | babilen | And wheezy isn't really *that* young anymore either :) |
| 19:13.32 | hoactzin | jordanm: its from naquadah |
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| 19:13.55 | hoactzin | ok specifically, the emacs.naquadah.org repo. i'm on wheezy |
| 19:13.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | babilen: eh... testing is often young, and stable is often old, unfortunately :) |
| 19:14.09 | hoactzin | the deps are libc6, libfontconfig, libtiff, libpango |
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| 19:14.20 | babilen | hoactzin: It looks as if it is meant to be used on Ubuntu. Either way it is not a Debian package and we do not support it. |
| 19:14.44 | hoactzin | well thanks anyway. |
| 19:14.50 | macrobat | maybe I can live without backports for a while. |
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| 19:14.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell hoactzin -about bat |
| 19:15.19 | hoactzin | dpkg: bat? |
| 19:15.19 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 19:15.25 | babilen | hoactzin: But then: What are you trying to achieve ? There might be a better way to dolve your problem. |
| 19:15.32 | macrobat | hoactzin: doesn't naquadah have an emacs meant specifically for debian? |
| 19:15.40 | babilen | hoactzin: Please check your private messages (dpkg, our bot, just sent you that factoid in private) |
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| 19:15.46 | hoactzin | babilen: http://emacs.naquadah.org/ |
| 19:15.55 | hoactzin | idk why he assumed i'm using ubuntu stuff |
| 19:15.57 | babilen | hoactzin: You are trying to achieve a webpage? |
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| 19:16.03 | hoactzin | no.. |
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| 19:16.19 | babilen | (I guess you want a newer emacs version, but then ... that is still only an assumption) |
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| 19:16.32 | hoactzin | yes |
| 19:17.01 | macrobat | does the channel advice against iceweasel-esr from http://mozilla.debian.net/ ? any extra caveats aside from the usual? |
| 19:17.15 | jordanm | hoactzin: I would just compile and install in your homedir |
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| 19:17.28 | babilen | hoactzin: Those packages look rather unmaintained. Well, at least the documentation is, as they still have squeeze as stable. |
| 19:17.58 | babilen | macrobat: No, we do not. They are packages by Debian's mozilla team and they are meant to be used on Debian. |
| 19:18.07 | macrobat | hoactzin: maybe #emacs knows |
| 19:18.17 | macrobat | ok, ty |
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| 19:18.55 | hoactzin | macrobat: yeah, i'm there |
| 19:19.10 | babilen | hoactzin: Ah, well ... they don't look too bad. What is the actual problem you are running into? |
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| 19:20.36 | hoactzin | babilen: wrong versions of dependencies.. this is on another machine with no X running atm, so i'm looking for a cli paste tool |
| 19:20.44 | hoactzin | then i can get the full errors |
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| 19:22.02 | babilen | hoactzin: Well, in that case there is little you can do apart from fixing the packages yourself or getting acid to do it for you. I'd raise it with him so these packages can be fixed, but there won't be any official support. |
| 19:22.13 | sashman | is 'SCREEN' a Shell on its own? |
| 19:22.32 | Spec | no, it's a manager/terminal emulator |
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| 19:22.34 | babilen | sashman: No |
| 19:22.50 | tree12 | hi i tried using debian alongside ubuntu and installation was successful but on restart grub is not loading rather directly windows is loading i installed grub as master boot recorder plse help me |
| 19:22.50 | hoactzin | so wheezy was unstable last time i used that machine, and i've got unstable/ listed after the emacs repo |
| 19:23.15 | macrobat | only sid is unstable, right? |
| 19:23.16 | hoactzin | babilen: ^ could be that, huh |
| 19:23.18 | babilen | hoactzin: wheezy was *never* unstable. unstable is and will always be called "sid", but wheezy was "testing" some time ago. |
| 19:23.27 | tree12 | hi i tried using debian alongside windows8 and installation was successful but on restart grub is not loading rather directly windows is loading i installed grub as master boot recorder plse help me |
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| 19:24.27 | babilen | hoactzin: You, naturally, want the packages that target the release you are running. If you track wheezy (i.e. stable) then you, naturally, want their packages for stable not unstable. |
| 19:24.37 | hoactzin | i guess i want stable, then |
| 19:24.41 | hoactzin | yeah |
| 19:25.35 | tree12 | hi i tried using debian alongside windows8 and installation was successful but on restart grub is not loading rather directly windows is loading i installed grub as master boot recorder plse help me... |
| 19:25.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell tree12 -about fixmbr |
| 19:27.02 | hoactzin | better yet, i'll switch to jessie |
| 19:27.06 | tree12 | babilen: i dint get :( |
| 19:27.16 | hoactzin | i just have to enable jessie instead in sources.list right? |
| 19:27.21 | babilen | tree12: How so? Are you not using a proper IRC client? |
| 19:27.21 | jhutchins | tree12: It's a private message. |
| 19:27.34 | jhutchins | tree12: Do you get a boot menu or does it just go straight to Windows? |
| 19:28.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell hoactzin about wheezy->jessie |
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| 19:28.11 | tree12 | jhutchins : it goes straight to windows |
| 19:28.25 | apdapreturns | How one can update Debian Etch to Wheezy without breaking everything? or should I stay in Etch? |
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| 19:28.31 | babilen | tree12: Did you find the private message our bot sent you? |
| 19:28.49 | tree12 | babilen: nope |
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| 19:29.45 | tree12 | babilen yea i got |
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| 19:30.36 | babilen | apdapreturns: You upgrade to lenny, then to squeeze and then to wheezy. You are *really* late with this and a complete new install of wheezy *might* be less work. Tracking etch is certainly not an option anymore. The upgrade procedures are detailed in <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> and <squeeze->wheezy> -- Make sure to read (and follow!) the release notes. |
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| 19:31.23 | ompaul | apdapreturns: what is the box usered for? |
| 19:31.27 | apdapreturns | babilen: I wonder if that will break anything |
| 19:31.28 | babilen | apdapreturns: Take a look at <$RELEASE release notes> for $RELEASE in {lenny, squeeze, wheezy} to get a link to them. (/msg dpkg lenny release notes) |
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| 19:32.10 | Spec | If I recall correctly, etch to lenny was not without some pain |
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| 19:32.12 | babilen | apdapreturns: It shouldn'tâ„¢ -- But then your etch box is a big huge security problem and has not been supported for three years. |
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| 19:32.44 | ompaul | apdapreturns: make sure you have backups, but the time to download and install, all the upgrades would be almost as short as each of the upgrades and you assume that you won't have a problem between upgrades |
| 19:32.59 | ompaul | apdapreturns: if it is a vps use the vps providers installs |
| 19:33.13 | apdapreturns | actually, I am going to use a distro that is based in Debian, Knoppix, etc |
| 19:33.19 | apdapreturns | discontinued and stayed w/ etch |
| 19:33.21 | apdapreturns | :| |
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| 19:33.47 | ompaul | apdapreturns: eh if you have a knoppix that old, get a new cd |
| 19:34.09 | ompaul | apdapreturns: please be aware we can't and therefore won't support knoppix here |
| 19:34.12 | babilen | apdapreturns: Fair enough, but then seek support in #knoppix please. I was also under the impression that Knoppix is more of a Live CD, but then ... *shrug* |
| 19:34.18 | apdapreturns | :| |
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| 19:34.53 | apdapreturns | so I guess I Just need to update the repositories to lenny and follow the guide I found in internet for that special distro? |
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| 19:35.27 | ompaul | apdapreturns: I don't think you can dist-upgrade between versions of knoppix, but that channel would help you more than we can |
| 19:35.55 | apdapreturns | It's based in several distros, and uses Debian Etch repos |
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| 19:35.58 | ompaul | apdapreturns: the etch version would have been sid on the border of etch not etch that's what knoppix is - so it is even older than you want |
| 19:36.06 | apdapreturns | pratically Debian Etch with some control panels and optimizations |
| 19:36.19 | ompaul | apdapreturns: it's not open to debate, it is based on reality. |
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| 19:36.59 | apdapreturns | Okay |
| 19:37.01 | babilen | apdapreturns: We do not support it. Please seek help in a different channel. |
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| 19:38.41 | tnwnsf | how long does qt take to compile ? |
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| 19:39.02 | dvs | !wayttd tnwnsf |
| 19:39.02 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, tnwnsf? |
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| 19:39.49 | tnwnsf | compiling qt for wayland atm, but i'm afarid this is gonna take a day. |
| 19:40.00 | tnwnsf | how can i pause a make ? |
| 19:40.16 | jordanm | crtl+z |
| 19:40.37 | jordanm | SIGSTOP, the same way you pause any process |
| 19:40.55 | nkuttler | tnwnsf: isn't there a qt in experimental that supports wayland? gtk does |
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| 19:41.56 | jordanm | ,versions libqt4-core |
| 19:41.57 | judd | Package: libqt4-core on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11; jessie: 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2; sid: 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2 |
| 19:42.01 | tnwnsf | didn't bother checking and wasnt sure if experimental supported a browser |
| 19:42.02 | jordanm | ,versions libqt5-core |
| 19:42.03 | judd | No package named 'libqt5-core' was found in i386. |
| 19:42.10 | nkuttler | ,v libqt5core5 |
| 19:42.11 | judd | Package: libqt5core5 on i386 -- jessie: 5.1.1+dfsg-6; sid: 5.1.1+dfsg-6 |
| 19:42.27 | jordanm | did they really need to change the naming scheme? |
| 19:43.10 | nkuttler | there's also a libqt5core5.. heh |
| 19:43.12 | jhutchins | jordanm: Is there a key combination that backgrounds something but keeps it running like &? |
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| 19:43.42 | jordanm | jhutchins: no, you have to ctrl+z and then type run "bg" |
| 19:43.51 | jordanm | not a single key combination |
| 19:43.53 | babilen | jhutchins: No, but you can achieve the same with "bg" (in bash) for example. |
| 19:44.00 | jhutchins | jordanm: Ah, that's the sequence. |
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| 19:44.19 | CamelFodder | Hey folks, having a bit of trouble with an xinitrc, can anyone tell me why it's not working? |
| 19:44.19 | CamelFodder | http://pastebin.com/BRkdLmPa |
| 19:44.30 | jhutchins | 20 minute no-feedback file transfer, 5 minute console timeout. |
| 19:44.40 | babilen | CamelFodder: First and foremost: Don't use ~/.xinitrc but ~/.xsession |
| 19:45.16 | CamelFodder | alright |
| 19:45.17 | CamelFodder | mvs |
| 19:45.19 | rryoumaa | jhutchins: look up disown in the shell and nohup |
| 19:45.25 | jordanm | CamelFodder: X exits after the last command in xinitrc stops running |
| 19:45.34 | CamelFodder | ...ah |
| 19:46.16 | babilen | CamelFodder: I guess that you want to start a window manager or desktop environment, but then we really don't know. There are also better ways to set your keymap. |
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| 19:46.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell CamelFodder -about keymap |
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| 19:46.38 | CamelFodder | I mainly use wmii, but I like the choice of others in case I ever need them |
| 19:48.00 | babilen | CamelFodder: Really? Kris hasn't maintained it in years! Either way: You have to start it in your ~/.xsessionrc. This is typically done with a command such as: "exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch FOO" (with FOO being the session start command for your WM/DE (e.g. "awesome" or "wmii" (IIRC)) |
| 19:48.46 | CamelFodder | Though, what if I'd want to use xfce or alternate wm/desktop environment from login screen? |
| 19:48.57 | babilen | CamelFodder: But then I would actually recommend to use a display manager such as gdm3 or lightdm; in particular if you like to choose between different sessions. |
| 19:49.39 | CamelFodder | htop tells me lightdm is running |
| 19:49.54 | apdapreturns | just a wild question |
| 19:49.57 | apdapreturns | what if I used debian etch |
| 19:50.16 | babilen | apdapreturns: You would use Debian etch in that case. |
| 19:50.36 | apdapreturns | I just wanted to know what I would miss at all |
| 19:50.41 | babilen | CamelFodder: Well, then *use* it. Why do you tinker with ~/.xinitc (and presumably startx) in that case? |
| 19:50.53 | ompaul | apdapreturns: the delta between debian and knoppix was always an interesting thing, and fragile at the best of times |
| 19:50.56 | babilen | apdapreturns: three years worth of security updates |
| 19:51.16 | apdapreturns | would I have outdated packages? |
| 19:51.22 | babilen | sure |
| 19:51.23 | ompaul | apdapreturns: you currently have |
| 19:51.37 | babilen | apdapreturns: etch is *ancient* |
| 19:51.41 | CamelFodder | I'm not sure; I don't actually know what lightdm is |
| 19:51.46 | CamelFodder | I'd assumed I needed X |
| 19:51.58 | babilen | CamelFodder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LightDM |
| 19:52.07 | ompaul | apdapreturns: the only way to make sense of what you have is this, get a modern release, back up the data, clean install and get on with it |
| 19:52.24 | babilen | CamelFodder: What are you trying to achieve in the long run? Do you use Debian? How did you install it? Have you installed Xorg already? |
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| 19:52.33 | apdapreturns | so can I find a way to just get the scripts from the distro and move it to wheezy? |
| 19:52.46 | apdapreturns | it's pratically debian with scripts so perhaps its possible? |
| 19:53.09 | CamelFodder | I do use Debian; I installed Siduction, which is tl;dr a rolling release debian |
| 19:53.09 | babilen | apdapreturns: Yes, I pointed you to the official documentation earlier. What is, however, not support is a cross-grade from knoppix. |
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| 19:53.12 | ompaul | apdapreturns: it depends on what it calls and uses, and if those things have the same names today as then, or are just straight replacements |
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| 19:53.25 | dvs | ... |
| 19:53.32 | apdapreturns | what about oldstable? |
| 19:53.34 | babilen | apdapreturns: And we also don't support it for technical and social reasons. |
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| 19:53.52 | apdapreturns | oldstable still has security updates? |
| 19:54.07 | babilen | apdapreturns: Yes, for a few months. |
| 19:54.12 | CamelFodder | What I want to acheive is basically making the commands activate properly when I log in, and I'd like to have the option of what wm I'd like to use as I log in |
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| 19:54.22 | jhutchins | apdapreturns: Is this something to do with the theory that old hardware runs old software better than new software? |
| 19:54.54 | apdapreturns | nope |
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| 19:55.22 | abrotman | siduction is not Debian |
| 19:55.37 | babilen | CamelFodder: Okay, have you installed Xorg? Configure your keymap as detailed in the <keymap> factoid our bot sent you earlier. Then read <install x> if you haven't installed Xorg already and top it off with "apt-get install lightdm" if you want that. Then either reboot or run "service lightdm start" and be merry. |
| 19:55.45 | ompaul | !oldstable |
| 19:55.46 | dpkg | it has been said that oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Squeeze (6.0) is oldstable. It is recommended to upgrade your system(s) to the current stable release, ask me about <oldstable->stable>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 19:55.48 | jhutchins | CamelFodder: That's usually done by the dm, but might be very different from what we know in debian stable. We don't know what some rolling release packager has decided to include or tweak. |
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| 19:55.59 | thatnigga | hi |
| 19:56.01 | CamelFodder | alrighty, thanks |
| 19:56.01 | thatnigga | !ops |
| 19:56.01 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 19:56.05 | thatnigga | !ops erwer |
| 19:56.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: thatnigga complains about: erwer |
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| 19:56.19 | jhutchins | CamelFodder: If you were to do a clean install with actual sid, #debina-next on oftc might be able to help. |
| 19:56.43 | apdapreturns | I am going to try it |
| 19:56.47 | CamelFodder | I tried installing Sid a while ago, but the install was relatively borked |
| 19:57.07 | CamelFodder | I couldn't use my mouse/keyboard in the installer, graphical or not |
| 19:57.11 | apdapreturns | there is the sourcecode of the control panel and the scripts in the image, and I guess that means it's possible :| |
| 19:57.12 | ompaul | CamelFodder: you don't just "install sid" you install stable d-u to testing and then d-u to sid |
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| 19:57.30 | CamelFodder | Well yeah, it Jessie or something |
| 19:57.39 | jhutchins | CamelFodder: The recommended method is to use the stable installer then upgrade. I don't believe sid actually has an installer. |
| 19:58.19 | ompaul | CamelFodder: it doesn't have a functioning installer. |
| 19:58.25 | jhutchins | CamelFodder: In any case, we don't know what your distro might have changed, so it's between you and them. |
| 19:58.32 | CamelFodder | Alright, makes sense |
| 19:58.56 | shingouz | apdapreturns: you are running knoppix there if i got things right. iirc, knoppix had a lot of weird and wonderful hardware recognition automation going on at boot time. those scripts are most definitely not going to work nicely with debian |
| 19:59.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell CamelFodder -about siduction |
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| 20:00.09 | babilen | CamelFodder: And please be upfront about the fact that you do not use Debian and please seek support in the appropriate channels. We quite intentionally only support Debian in here for technical and *social* reasons and I am a little miffed about the fact that I just spend the time. |
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| 20:00.34 | CamelFodder | Sorry about that, I guess |
| 20:00.44 | CamelFodder | I'd assumed it was practically Debian :$ |
| 20:00.47 | ghost75 | wow iptables will be dead soon |
| 20:00.47 | ompaul | it isn't |
| 20:01.00 | wols | ghost75: good riddance |
| 20:01.03 | abrotman | the siduction support is actually pretty good |
| 20:01.09 | abrotman | (in the correct channel) |
| 20:01.22 | ghost75 | http://git.netfilter.org/nftables/ |
| 20:01.36 | CamelFodder | Sorry about that, then |
| 20:01.38 | babilen | CamelFodder: You are more than welcome to run Debian though, but there are millions of distribution that are based on Debian and neither can't nor intend to support all of them. siduction is, however, pretty decent and they have a bunch of good guys. So please take it there :) |
| 20:01.46 | dvs | Where's the webpage on the death of iptables? |
| 20:01.51 | tnwnsf | wow, talk about eating ram, i have only 3 / 16 Gb left |
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| 20:02.12 | ghost75 | somebody tried zfs under linux? |
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| 20:02.45 | apdapreturns | wait wait |
| 20:02.56 | smj | Why does aptitude show me solutions that aren't solutions to what I asked for? |
| 20:03.16 | nkuttler | !tell tnwnsf about free ram |
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| 20:03.30 | nkuttler | smj: it thinks it's smarter than you |
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| 20:03.34 | dvs | smj: Probably because your sources.list isnt set up right. |
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| 20:04.08 | smj | what does that mean? |
| 20:04.30 | jhutchins | smj: They are solutions, just not the one you wanted. |
| 20:04.52 | ompaul | smj: in exactly http://paste.debian.net put the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list please |
| 20:04.55 | jhutchins | smj: The question you asked aptitude is not the question you thought you were asking. |
| 20:05.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell smj -about bat |
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| 20:05.40 | bartzy | Hey |
| 20:05.41 | bartzy | If I have a CPU with 4 cores + HT. top and htop report 8 cores (4 are virtual-HT cores) - What is the load value that means the CPU is 100% loaded? 4 or 8 ? |
| 20:05.58 | buu | bartzy: 8 |
| 20:06.06 | buu | Depending on the operations involved |
| 20:06.09 | bartzy | buu: But are the 4 only virtual ? |
| 20:06.17 | buu | They generally count as two |
| 20:06.19 | bartzy | buu: Mainly image processing, and IO work. |
| 20:06.30 | buu | IO will drive up your load independent of your cpu usage |
| 20:06.43 | bartzy | Why ? |
| 20:06.55 | buu | Because it counts as time spent waiting for hardware |
| 20:06.56 | smj | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/4b7c1891 |
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| 20:07.14 | bartzy | buu: but in that time (waiting for IO) - Can't the CPU run another program ? |
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| 20:07.38 | babilen | smj: Please don't use "stable" in your sources.list but the actual codenames of the release you are trying to run such as "wheezy" or "squeeze" or ... |
| 20:07.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell smj -about wheezy sources.list |
| 20:08.18 | babilen | smj: Are you trying to run wheezy? What does "cat /etc/debian_version" give you? What about "dpkg -l libc6|tail -n1" ? |
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| 20:08.45 | ompaul | smj: did you run a dist-upgrade any time recently? |
| 20:08.50 | ompaul | like in the last year |
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| 20:09.23 | bartzy | buu ? |
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| 20:10.14 | smj | 7.3 |
| 20:10.18 | BustyLoli-Chan | So I've used slackware for a while, but I'm still not too skilled of a linux user... I'm thinking of trying debian |
| 20:10.29 | BustyLoli-Chan | can anyone tell me what debian offers over other linux distros? |
| 20:10.38 | ompaul | !tell BustyLoli-Chan about install |
| 20:10.48 | BustyLoli-Chan | ? |
| 20:10.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell BustyLoli-Chan -about why debian |
| 20:10.54 | ompaul | BustyLoli-Chan: please read the message from the bot |
| 20:10.59 | tnwnsf | is everything on a script... |
| 20:11.08 | apdapreturns | debian is easy if you already installed slackware |
| 20:11.18 | babilen | BustyLoli-Chan: Please check your private messages and I would also appreciate it if you could chose a less offensive nick. Thanks. |
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| 20:11.24 | BustyLoli-Chan | I read the messages from the bot |
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| 20:11.29 | apdapreturns | graphical install.. pretty much nothing to do other than install non-free firmware and partition your disk |
| 20:11.37 | BustyLoli-Chan | this is my registered nick D: and is only mean to be a joke |
| 20:11.58 | micah__ | BustyLoli-Chan: it's a pretty creepy nick |
| 20:12.01 | BustyLoli-Chan | *meant to be |
| 20:12.03 | smj | yes, I added some repositories, installed some packages, and now I've removed the repositories and want to downgrade the packages |
| 20:12.18 | BustyLoli-Chan | what is this "non-free" firmware |
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| 20:12.42 | ompaul | smj: you added? what did you remove? |
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| 20:12.51 | DammitJim | can you guys recommend another media server besides XBMC? |
| 20:13.00 | smj | irrelevant |
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| 20:13.05 | DammitJim | Apparently XBMC's latest version can't be part of Debian |
| 20:13.06 | apdapreturns | non-free wireless modules |
| 20:13.17 | babilen | BustyLoli-Chan: Seriously, please change your nick. It isn't really appropriate in a technical support channel. |
| 20:13.33 | BustyLoli-Chan | this isn't the only channel I'm in :/ |
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| 20:13.43 | dvs | smj: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 20:13.47 | BustyLoli-Chan | give me a second then |
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| 20:14.35 | babilen | smj: "some repositories" is incredibly vague -- there is very little we can do if you don't paste actual output of the command you referred to earlier and the commands we mentioned :) |
| 20:14.45 | ompaul | smj: then my advice is irrelevant - I don't know what I'm working on, so do this do it repeating it until you have no errors, or start a fresh install, but first backup your data, then log out, ctrl alt f2 ; log in as root; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade keep doing those last steps - game over |
| 20:14.45 | PettanShouta-Kun | so what do you mean by non free wireless modules |
| 20:14.49 | PettanShouta-Kun | I'm even more confused now |
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| 20:15.10 | abrotman | PettanShouta-Kun: it's not just wireless firmware, whomever told you that was mistaken |
| 20:15.11 | harovali | hi, Is it suitable to ask something about unstable ? |
| 20:15.19 | abrotman | harovali: you can, yes |
| 20:15.27 | harovali | abrotman: thanks |
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| 20:15.38 | PettanShouta-Kun | so basically a few parts of debian cost money? |
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| 20:15.56 | PettanShouta-Kun | it's not all about open source then? |
| 20:15.56 | abrotman | PettanShouta-Kun: no, they're not DFSG-free |
| 20:16.07 | ompaul | costless not free |
| 20:16.08 | abrotman | PettanShouta-Kun: they don't meet our requirements for redistrbution and freeness .. so tehy're non-free |
| 20:16.12 | ompaul | software |
| 20:16.19 | abrotman | dpkg: tell PettanShouta-Kun about non-free |
| 20:16.27 | smj | I'm only looking for information I can reuse |
| 20:16.57 | ompaul | smj: you have not given sufficient information, or feedback, we can do no more until we get answers to questions already posed. |
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| 20:17.20 | smj | and I'm okay with that |
| 20:18.07 | harovali | I've put unstable in a "mini pc" i386 , whose graphics card is detected in Xorg.0.log as RADEON. The desktop is almost usable, however, it shows really strange. The walpaper is a mix of thigs, nothing really meant to be displayed like this. The gnome windows don't "disappear" completely after closing them. |
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| 20:18.30 | PettanShouta-Kun | I think I get it.... so basically there are parts of packages and internal peices that are not necessarily redistributable/completely reusable/modularly incorporatable ? |
| 20:18.56 | harovali | apart from that, it works. |
| 20:19.02 | abrotman | PettanShouta-Kun: stuff like that .. sort of. If you read teh DFSG stuff, and then think how something might not meet those requirements, you'll have some of the things in non-free |
| 20:19.06 | abrotman | harovali: did you install teh firmware? |
| 20:19.10 | smj | thanks anyway for the effort |
| 20:19.34 | harovali | abrotman: do you mean the "firmware-linux-nonfree" package ? |
| 20:19.38 | okee | Does Debian stupport GNUStep? If so, what is the name of the program I would download? I did a search of the repository, and find innumerable plugins for GNUStep, but no executable. GNUstep is a free software implementation of Cocoa (formerly NeXT's OpenStep) Objective-C libraries (called frameworks), widget toolkit, and application development tools for Unix-like operating systems and Microsoft Windows. |
| 20:19.51 | abrotman | harovali: yes, that includes some radeon firmware |
| 20:20.01 | abrotman | okee: afterstep perhaps ? |
| 20:20.17 | PettanShouta-Kun | now this might seem dumb, but can I also make/make install provided I am unable to find a package for something already? |
| 20:20.22 | harovali | abrotman: yes, I put it there, but it was already put before too, because it fixed things |
| 20:20.30 | abrotman | PettanShouta-Kun: yes |
| 20:20.43 | abrotman | harovali: which video card do you have ? |
| 20:20.59 | abrotman | harovali: also, is your system fully up to date? |
| 20:21.04 | harovali | abrotman: like this: 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310] |
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| 20:21.16 | abrotman | would think that's an FGLRX card? |
| 20:21.21 | harovali | abrotman: yes, up to date in unstable. |
| 20:21.43 | abrotman | harovali: you've done the 'aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade" ? |
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| 20:22.08 | harovali | abrotman: nope, I did dist-upgrade, is it the same ? |
| 20:22.10 | apdapreturns | ompaul: I found a method to updating the distro to Debian Lenny repo, should it be the same process to update to Squeeze -- Wheezy? |
| 20:22.16 | abrotman | harovali: try it and see :) |
| 20:22.18 | PettanShouta-Kun | does anyone know the complete size of a debian "complete" installation image |
| 20:22.22 | harovali | abrotman: I'll do |
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| 20:22.32 | harovali | abrotman: and report back |
| 20:22.33 | abrotman | PettanShouta-Kun: you cannot, packages conflict, etc .. |
| 20:22.44 | abrotman | dpkg: dstats stable |
| 20:22.45 | PettanShouta-Kun | I see |
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| 20:22.52 | abrotman | dpkg: dstats wheezy |
| 20:22.55 | ompaul | apdapreturns: lenny -> squeeze -> wheezy but as you were warned ... |
| 20:23.15 | PettanShouta-Kun | so is my best bet to get the net install boot and install off a pen drive, and then install what I need from there? |
| 20:23.18 | abrotman | gives up using the bot |
| 20:23.23 | abrotman | PettanShouta-Kun: yes |
| 20:23.25 | okee | abrotman> I don't know. A review of the repositories indicates AFterstep is like Nextstep. Is Nextstep different than GUIstep? What Debian needs is a cheat sheet that shows the commercial equivalents, to the download equivalent, so that people know what is in the repository. That would clear up a lot of things. |
| 20:23.26 | apdapreturns | isn't it as simple as changing the sources.list |
| 20:23.32 | abrotman | PettanShouta-Kun: if you think you'll need firmware, we have special images for that |
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| 20:23.53 | babilen | apdapreturns: You have to follow the release notes I pointed out earlier, but we still don't support upgrades from knoppix. |
| 20:23.54 | ompaul | apdapreturns: read the release notes you may have to do things like oh stuff to udev along the way |
| 20:23.59 | PettanShouta-Kun | I'm not quite sure what firmware is yet... I should probably go read the install guide |
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| 20:24.13 | abrotman | PettanShouta-Kun: do you have a wireless card or nvidia/ati cards? |
| 20:24.26 | ompaul | apdapreturns: and it wasn't debian to start with, so whatever you end up with is called frankendebian you should /msg dpkg frankendebian |
| 20:24.28 | PettanShouta-Kun | yeah I have an atheros wireless card I'm pretty sure |
| 20:24.33 | PettanShouta-Kun | and ati video |
| 20:24.39 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 20:24.39 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 20:24.42 | ompaul | apdapreturns: close does not make the cigar |
| 20:24.47 | babilen | PettanShouta-Kun: If you are using the netinstall image it doesn't hurt to get the one with firmware anyway. If you don't need firmware (binary blobs required by specific hardware) then nothing is lost. See "/msg dpkg firmware image" for a link. |
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| 20:25.57 | babilen | PettanShouta-Kun: ATi video cards *do* require firmware for correct behaviour though, so just grab the netinstall with firmware. I would also recommend to install libgl1-mesa-dri after the initial installation to take advantage of 3d acceleration. (cf. <radeon> -- /msg dpkg radeon) |
| 20:25.57 | PettanShouta-Kun | so if I need both the ati firmware and the atheros wireless firmware how do I combine the images? |
| 20:26.13 | mtn | okee: http://packages.debian.org and look for gnustep. or use synaptic, etc. |
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| 20:26.20 | babilen | PettanShouta-Kun: The firmware image contains all firmware packages you might require. |
| 20:26.25 | PettanShouta-Kun | I see |
| 20:26.36 | apdapreturns | so I will end with a hybrid of Kurumin, Knoppix and Debian? |
| 20:26.41 | apdapreturns | now that seems strange |
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| 20:26.44 | apdapreturns | :P |
| 20:26.50 | babilen | PettanShouta-Kun: Are you running linux right now? |
| 20:26.51 | abrotman | apdapreturns: which no one will support, including us. Please reinstall from scratch |
| 20:27.01 | PettanShouta-Kun | I am running vector linux |
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| 20:27.13 | shingouz | apdapreturns: you will end up with a disaster |
| 20:27.18 | babilen | PettanShouta-Kun: Could you paste the output of "lspci -n" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 20:27.24 | babilen | (and give me the URL) |
| 20:27.25 | PettanShouta-Kun | which is based of slackware but more user friendly, but as of the time I'm writing this is also severely outdated |
| 20:27.25 | ompaul | apdapreturns: please leave here and stop trolling we don't support it and you keep asking questions which will break for you, and then I hope you do have backups |
| 20:28.08 | apdapreturns | my purpose is not trolling |
| 20:28.12 | PettanShouta-Kun | babilen http://paste.debian.net/72752/ |
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| 20:28.21 | ompaul | it has become that - we can't help you |
| 20:28.24 | apdapreturns | okay |
| 20:28.32 | apdapreturns | I might just install stable and make some scripts |
| 20:28.32 | apdapreturns | :| |
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| 20:28.42 | ompaul | which is supportable |
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| 20:29.09 | babilen | PettanShouta-Kun: I wanted that output for http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ btw |
| 20:29.12 | apdapreturns | is stable and the distros script + control panel also supportable? |
| 20:29.25 | abrotman | what script and control panel ? |
| 20:29.49 | babilen | PettanShouta-Kun: You should be perfectly fine with the wheezy netinstall image with firmware. |
| 20:29.53 | apdapreturns | it's a control panel to install packages |
| 20:29.58 | apdapreturns | and scripts to automate tasks |
| 20:30.00 | abrotman | that doesnt' make sense |
| 20:30.04 | abrotman | use ssh |
| 20:30.24 | okee | My reason for asking is that I find the contact mgr to be too juvenile. You can't even export entries from the addressbook, so I would like to replce it with something else. I am leaning towards using a SQL based system, since they are easier to export to customized formats. |
| 20:30.32 | PettanShouta-Kun | alright thank you guys |
| 20:30.54 | abrotman | okee: not sure what that has to do with gnustep ? |
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| 20:31.35 | abrotman | okee: btw, there's a 'gnustep' package |
| 20:31.45 | apdapreturns | so, is wheezy with the scripts and controlpanel supportable? |
| 20:31.51 | okee | GNUstep seems to have an addressbook component. When I searched the repositories for addressbook, a number of components showed up. |
| 20:32.08 | abrotman | apdapreturns: few people use control panels |
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| 20:32.34 | jordanm | I wouldn't say few people |
| 20:32.49 | jordanm | web hosting control panels are very popular, but those target end-users, not admins |
| 20:33.12 | nkuttler | let's say few competent people |
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| 20:33.29 | shingouz | apdapreturns: where do you get the control panel and scripts from? |
| 20:33.41 | abrotman | had to egg him on .. |
| 20:33.42 | apdapreturns | the distro |
| 20:33.56 | shingouz | what distro? |
| 20:34.00 | apdapreturns | kurumin |
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| 20:34.37 | shingouz | apdapreturns: the short and concise answer: no. absolutely not. |
| 20:34.45 | abrotman | apdapreturns: for the last time, install Debian. We do not support kurumin here. |
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| 20:36.47 | ompaul | !sunday |
| 20:36.48 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 20:37.20 | abrotman | dap300: fi you mix distros, your system will break. Choose one, instlal it, learn how to use it |
| 20:38.10 | harovali | abrotman: well I did. I then rebooted to be sure. I'd say the display continues somewhat corrupted in Xorg. Any other ideas, including downgrading specific packages, are more than welcome. |
| 20:38.36 | abrotman | harovali: i'm curious if fglrx might support your card |
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| 20:41.25 | ompaul | dap300: you know when you said you wanted to work with etch, that wasn't what you should have said, after that everything you said was wrong. |
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| 20:45.13 | Lady_Aleena | What terms should I Google to learn how to transition from Debian 7 to a version of Debian which will apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to the newest versions of all the software I use? I'm willing to do the reading, I just need to know what to look for. |
| 20:46.06 | Lady_Aleena | can't stand software which is outdated. |
| 20:46.06 | ChibaPet | Lady_Aleena: Anything newer than 7 (Stable/Wheezy) is explicitly not the Stable release, with all the caveats implied. |
| 20:46.11 | ChibaPet | !sns |
| 20:46.11 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 20:46.24 | wget | "(19:59:18) babilen: wget: It's not necessarily a good idea to install from the live images. They are live CDs that also provide some (not nearly as well tested) installation functionality" |
| 20:46.25 | wget | I install Debian systems most of the time via Live USB medias without any problems. |
| 20:46.33 | ChibaPet | Lady_Aleena: That factoid has all the right terms to explore different options. |
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| 20:47.23 | harovali | abrotman: which one do you like the most ? http://pastebin.com/hiYMUtja |
| 20:47.29 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena if you insist on newer stuff you need to read about debian testing and debian sid but one is testing and the other is called unstable |
| 20:47.30 | Lady_Aleena | ChibaPet, I already added the backports, however, even that didn't do the trick. |
| 20:47.54 | ChibaPet | Lady_Aleena: With backports, you want to pick and choose which non-Stable packages you want to use. |
| 20:47.55 | micah__ | Lady_Aleena, just google for debian testing. It works pretty well for my purposes and software is only rarely broken |
| 20:47.57 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena however know this, you won't be tracking exactly the latest version for very long or often |
| 20:47.58 | babilen | wget: yes, they are intended to work but the dedicated installation images are simply better if all you want is to install Debian |
| 20:48.12 | tnwnsf | ,versions qtwayland |
| 20:48.13 | judd | No package named 'qtwayland' was found in i386. |
| 20:48.14 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: How do you measure "newest"? |
| 20:48.32 | micah__ | Lady_Aleena, but even then, i'm on gnome 3.8 still on debian testing, with 3.10 still a ways out |
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| 20:48.45 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: latest output from upstream developers? Latest tested and patched and known not to break other packages? |
| 20:48.46 | Lady_Aleena | I am used to software updating itself, so having to wait and wait and wait for Debian to add it to the list is agony. |
| 20:49.09 | micah__ | Debian testing is probably a good bet for you then |
| 20:49.20 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: you might survive on SID join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:49.22 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: If you are insecure that someone else's version numbers might be bigger than your version numbers, Debian is not for you. |
| 20:49.29 | micah__ | also true! |
| 20:49.51 | stew | Lady_Aleena: is having packages quickly updated for security fixes important to you? |
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| 20:50.23 | abrotman | harovali: I don't use fglrx, you'll have to check the wiki page or ask another person here |
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| 20:50.55 | Lady_Aleena | My issue is the software is not updating itself, such as KDE is much further along than Debian 7 has installed. I don't like being told I am using ancient software. |
| 20:51.01 | wget | babilen: For sure, but with a Live USB, I can have a working system directly on my USB instead of using the old Ubuntu crap we have at school, I can recover data as rescue utilities are provided like in the rescue flavor, and even install a working Debian if needed \o/ |
| 20:51.03 | wrp6 | I've booted a machine from CD, but the CD drive is slightly faulty so I haven't been able to install yet without errors. What should I do to install from the CD's CLI ? Can i download a minimal working image from somewhere and dump it to the HDD, then boot from that and finish any extra procedures? |
| 20:51.19 | jhutchins | I suppose one could build a Debian system, then set up a dev/build environment and get the un-patched, un-tested latest code from the developers' git hubs and build that. Wouldn't be Debian, but might look like it. |
| 20:51.20 | harovali | abrotman: thanks |
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| 20:51.45 | Lady_Aleena | KDE, and all related software, should update itself independent of Debian. |
| 20:51.46 | wget | babilen: But this still doesn't answer my question, why aren't the live USB flavors in a 7.3 version yet? |
| 20:51.53 | jhutchins | That's the only way upstream devs will take bugreports anyway. |
| 20:52.03 | mtn | Lady_Aleena: debians purpose is to provide solid stable software. there are other distros that offer uptodate software instead. |
| 20:52.07 | dvs | Lady_Aleena: No, that's not the way Debian works. |
| 20:52.14 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: You'd probably want to learn about how Linux from Scratch (LFS) manages the process. |
| 20:52.25 | stew | Lady_Aleena: are you willing to give up fast patches for security problems in order to get more up to date version numbers? |
| 20:52.40 | jhutchins | wget: There are no seperate USB images. |
| 20:53.13 | Lady_Aleena | moves the discussion over to #debian-offtopic. |
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| 20:53.41 | wget | jhutchins: Yes, but I don't how how these images should be called as they can be burned into a CD, excepted for the rescue and standard versions. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
| 20:53.53 | wget | *they can't be burned |
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| 20:57.07 | hoactzin | i'm doing a dist-upgrade and getting a bunch of `A depends on B; however: Package B is not configured yet' |
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| 20:58.36 | hoactzin | it happens with a lot of packages |
| 20:58.42 | sashman | hello i have alot of entries in /etc/passwd of all kind of users from programs can i change all of the users to /bin/false ?? cause some have sh |
| 20:59.01 | stew | hoactzin: try dpkg --configure -a |
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| 20:59.38 | wrp6 | Does anyone know where I can find USB installation media for Debian? The page linked to here doesn't have any http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
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| 21:00.07 | wrp6 | Sorry, for PowerPC |
| 21:00.16 | dvs | wrp6: Most debian iso images are hybrid images. Which means that they can be put into USB drives for installs |
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| 21:00.34 | wrp6 | Ah, so I should get the CD images? |
| 21:00.46 | dodger | hi :) |
| 21:01.11 | stew | wrp6: have you read the release notes? there should be specific instructions for usb on powerpc in the release notes |
| 21:01.15 | dvs | wrp6: Yes, (at least thats how the x86 architecture works) |
| 21:01.37 | wrp6 | Ah, i see |
| 21:02.17 | wrp6 | This ? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch02s04.html.en#idp5421824 |
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| 21:03.28 | hoactzin | stew: same errors |
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| 21:11.36 | wrp6 | Ugh anyone remember how to get wget's recursive downloading to work? |
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| 21:12.12 | nkuttler | wrp6: man wget |
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| 21:12.18 | wrp6 | It's not in the manual |
| 21:12.31 | wrp6 | I went through this before, took me a few hours |
| 21:12.50 | nkuttler | it's certainly in my manual |
| 21:13.22 | wget | wrp6: --recursive |
| 21:13.23 | wget | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.23 | wrp6 | Oh, the issue was an incorrectly formatted -I |
| 21:13.31 | wrp6 | Yes, I know the option |
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| 21:14.16 | wget | wrp6: If the website you are downloading from has a robots.txt file, wget respects it. If you don't want to take that file into account, use a patched wget versiokn. |
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| 21:15.02 | wrp6 | It's not robots.txt in this case |
| 21:15.11 | wrp6 | It's that -I is difficult to use |
| 21:15.33 | ProfessorBacon | poll: duplicity or backupninja? |
| 21:15.38 | wrp6 | (Trying to only follow links which target files within the current directory or lower) |
| 21:15.53 | babilen | ProfessorBacon: dirvish |
| 21:16.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell ProfessorBacon about polls |
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| 21:17.06 | ProfessorBacon | babilen: looks good, thanks |
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| 21:17.46 | nkuttler | i like backuppc |
| 21:19.06 | babilen | nkuttler: yeah, backuppc is great - if only it would handle removable drives better |
| 21:19.45 | nkuttler | babilen: hm, never thought about backing them up |
| 21:19.57 | babilen | nkuttler: I use the former on my personal laptop/workstation and the latter on my (constantly connected) workstation @work |
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| 21:20.26 | bakslash_ | Hey guys, can anyone tell me if marvell sata controllers works well with linux in the meantime? :) |
| 21:21.02 | babilen | nkuttler: No, I mean using them as backup location. dirvish deals quite nicely with intermittently connected external harddrives (one way I backup my laptop) while doing that with backuppc is really quite a pain |
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| 21:21.32 | babilen | bakslash_: they work marvellous! (sorry, no idea but couldn't resist) |
| 21:21.36 | nkuttler | babilen: ah, true. my backups are all disk-based |
| 21:21.49 | sashman | where do i set that my second monitor is always '--right-of ...' i dun want to always xrandr -q when i plugin a monitor |
| 21:22.10 | bakslash_ | babilen; haha ;D |
| 21:22.36 | babilen | nkuttler: I backup to remove and to intermittently connected USB drives. dirvish handles that quite nice, but I prefer backuppc when I backup hosts which have constant access to the backup location. |
| 21:23.28 | babilen | s/remove/remote hosts/ |
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| 21:59.06 | pbn | Hello, trying to fix grub on a debian 64-bit machine, I'm booting a rescue cd with a 64 bit kernel, I've mounted / and home and all other partitions, but when I try chroot /mnt/target /bin/bash, all I always get is: chroot: failed to run command '/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 21:59.33 | pbn | but the file is there, it really is and it's a 64-bit binary, and my kernel is 64-bit |
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| 22:00.08 | jordanm | pbn: userspace also 64bit? |
| 22:00.22 | pbn | jordanm: it's likely, but how do I check ? |
| 22:00.50 | jordanm | pbn: file /bin/bash |
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| 22:02.30 | babilen | Rocco1: Welcome, can we help you with a Debian problem? |
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| 22:03.00 | Rocco1 | well, debian just works so..xD thanks |
| 22:03.15 | pbn | jordanm: ah there's something weird: on the machine /mnt/target/bin/bash is 64-bit but on my rescuecd /bin/bash is 32-bit, however arch returns x86_64... so it appears my rescuecd has a 64-bit kernel but 32-bit binaries ?! |
| 22:03.28 | Rocco1 | first time in this channel |
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| 22:04.11 | jordanm | pbn: yep, that's possible |
| 22:05.21 | pbn | jordanm: but I think I already have solved this issue... I first booted with the default kernel on the rescue cd (32-bit) and when I was trying to run 64-bit binaries it failes with things like "Incompatible binary" |
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| 22:06.34 | zerick | Anybody here using corosync/pacemaker ? |
| 22:09.23 | pbn | it's puzzling, I can do file, ls, of any 64-bit binary, but when I try to execute it, it says "No such file or directory" |
| 22:09.47 | pbn | if it was a 32/64 problem it would give another message |
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| 22:18.01 | hassen | decides to be cautious and severe about any package he might download since he has done the 3 re-installation of debian in 1 week because of a black screen errors at start-up |
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| 22:20.46 | jhutchins | pbn: Very interesting. ext4 |
| 22:20.49 | jhutchins | ? |
| 22:21.21 | pbn | jhutchins: ah no, all filesystems are ext3... except the filesystem on the rescue CD |
| 22:21.36 | nkuttler | hassen: you should try to fix things when they break |
| 22:21.47 | rww | I've had 32/64 problems cause "No such file or directory" before. It depends on where exactly it's failing in the process. |
| 22:21.57 | hassen | nkuttler, haven't enough patience for that |
| 22:21.59 | pbn | jhutchins: but if it was ext4 not supported by the rescue CD, well, it would have failed when I did mount /mnt/target |
| 22:22.09 | pengunix | The following command generates a PEM including the key: openssl req -new -newkey rsa:1024 -nodes -x509 -keyout proxyCA.pem -out proxyCA.pem |
| 22:22.13 | pengunix | Is this still a PEM? Because it contains the private key, too. |
| 22:22.15 | hassen | hadn't* |
| 22:22.16 | pengunix | I have to use it that way, but can this be still considered as a PEM? Or rather a PFX? |
| 22:22.21 | nkuttler | hassen: sounds rather like a hardware problem anyway, with your method you'll never know |
| 22:22.35 | jhutchins | I think an fsck might be in order. Could be a matter of missing libraries. |
| 22:22.35 | hassen | nkuttler, i know,you're right |
| 22:23.51 | pbn | hmmm... ah wait |
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| 22:24.50 | pbn | the /bin/bash on the machine is built for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, but the kernel I'm running from the Rescue CD is 3.4.66-std381-amd64 ... |
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| 22:25.08 | pbn | perhaps 2.6.x binaries cannot run on a 3.4.x kernel? |
| 22:25.20 | Tasab | hi , what is the apt-get(8) |
| 22:25.49 | dvs | Tasab: man 8 apt-get |
| 22:26.19 | Tasab | dvs:: so , then |
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| 22:26.35 | dvs | Tasab: type that at the command line |
| 22:26.50 | Tasab | done , tks |
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| 22:31.49 | jhutchins | pbn: I wouldn't spend a lot of time on speculation and superstition. Check the filesystems, fix grub, see if it boots. |
| 22:32.22 | PettanShouta-Kun | I need to fix grub lol |
| 22:32.31 | PettanShouta-Kun | I have like 3 chainloads going before I can boot an OS |
| 22:32.36 | jhutchins | pbn: Executing an incompatible binary returns a different error than "file not found". |
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| 22:33.58 | ChibaPet | ,versions ktrace |
| 22:34.00 | judd | No package named 'ktrace' was found in i386. |
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| 22:37.29 | Tasab | dvs :: aptitude & apt-get , is there big different in using ? |
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| 22:38.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | Tasab: not really, aptitude is supposed to be more friendly and complete, while apt handles upgrades somewhat better, AFAIK. |
| 22:38.53 | Khelp | Is there a boot option I can use to disable looking for a LVM module? |
| 22:39.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | Khelp: you mean a kernel module pertaining to LVM? |
| 22:39.34 | pbn | jhutchins: yes but in order to fix grub I must first do chroot /mnt/target <some shell> |
| 22:39.46 | Khelp | Eduard_Munteanu, yes. |
| 22:39.53 | mtn | Khelp: are you running debian or mint? I see you asked the same question in the mint channel |
| 22:40.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | Khelp: dunno any way to do that... what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 22:40.59 | Khelp | mtn, I'm running LMDE 201303. |
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| 22:41.21 | mtn | Khelp: it best to keep the question in the proper channel then, this channel does not support lmde |
| 22:41.42 | jhutchins | pbn: Yes, and before you do that, you should check and if necessary repair the filesystem. |
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| 22:42.15 | Khelp | mtn, all right. Thanks. |
| 22:42.25 | jhutchins | pbn: I have done this. It does not take as long as you have been barging around to no purpose. |
| 22:42.26 | mtn | Khelp: np |
| 22:43.09 | jhutchins | I mean, obviously, a 2TB system will take a while to check, go get some fresh air or something. |
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| 22:43.45 | macrobat | the interactive aptitude is non-responsive and has been using most cpu cycles for a few minutes. is it safe to kill it? does it accept signals? |
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| 22:44.04 | Tasab | cee ya then all , wana 2 have a break . tks |
| 22:44.16 | jhutchins | macrobat: Give it some time to resolve whatever it's doing. |
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| 22:44.27 | Hassen1 | oleeey...#debian looks bautiful in Pidgin |
| 22:45.28 | Khelp | mtn, Oh, I never received your response in #mint. |
| 22:46.19 | PettanShouta-Kun | so if I'm on vector linux and my home directory is currently on a separate partition can I preserve this or is it not recommended? |
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| 22:46.47 | PettanShouta-Kun | like... I'm going to install debian, but can I keep the same home folder/files |
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| 22:47.15 | dvs | PettanShouta-Kun: If it's in it's own partition |
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| 22:48.11 | PettanShouta-Kun | should I wipe like xwindow settings and stuff? this one might be outdated |
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| 22:48.55 | dvs | PettanShouta-Kun: Nope, you can just install over what's already there. |
| 22:49.02 | nkuttler | PettanShouta-Kun: i prefer to start with a clean home dir and restore what i really want |
| 22:49.16 | PettanShouta-Kun | I don't really have a place to shove all this stuff honestly |
| 22:49.18 | PettanShouta-Kun | otherwise I would |
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| 22:49.44 | macrobat | settings don't take much space |
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| 22:51.44 | PettanShouta-Kun | I'm not backing up settings lol |
| 22:51.54 | PettanShouta-Kun | the settings are what I care less about it's the files that matter lol |
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| 22:55.07 | PettanShouta-Kun | can anyone tell me how to put the netinst iso on a flash drive and make it bootable? |
| 22:55.11 | macrobat | only the old settings would affect your new system, right? |
| 22:55.20 | jhutchins | PettanShouta-Kun: Yes, you can do that, but if you care about the files you should have a backup. Things happen. Hardware failes. Wrong buttons get pushed. |
| 22:55.48 | jhutchins | PettanShouta-Kun: If you're only going to format the existing partitions and not repartition, there's still a chance you'll accidentally format the wrong one. |
| 22:56.03 | PettanShouta-Kun | maybe... |
| 22:56.21 | jhutchins | PettanShouta-Kun: That said, lots of people do it without a safety net. It's up to you what's more important. |
| 22:56.26 | dvs | PettanShouta-Kun: It depends what OS you have now. |
| 22:56.31 | PettanShouta-Kun | the files aren't irreplaceable just something I don't want to download for 8 more hours lol |
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| 22:56.54 | PettanShouta-Kun | I'm on a linux os |
| 22:57.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell PettanShouta-Kun -about usb install |
| 22:57.14 | dvs | PettanShouta-Kun: cat filename.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync |
| 22:57.16 | jhutchins | PettanShouta-Kun: Hard drives are cheap these days. You can get a usb-to-sata adapter for ~$10 and there you are, basic redundancy. |
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| 22:58.07 | PettanShouta-Kun | should this usb be fat ntfs or will it not matter? |
| 22:58.41 | dvs | PettanShouta-Kun: Doesn't matter. I will wipe everything out on it. |
| 22:58.49 | dvs | s/I/It |
| 22:59.14 | PettanShouta-Kun | ok |
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| 23:01.15 | pbn | jhutchins: yeah sorry. I didn't do fsck, well sorry but I have got to be going, but I'll try fsck tomorrow |
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| 23:01.30 | pbn | Thanks to jhutchins and all others who gave me help :) |
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| 23:03.17 | PettanShouta-Kun | ho my god that cat command |
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| 23:03.27 | PettanShouta-Kun | the terminal is flipping out lol |
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| 23:03.38 | dvs | PettanShouta-Kun: you typed it wrong. |
| 23:03.57 | PettanShouta-Kun | I think it's just attempting to textually output binary data |
| 23:04.13 | PettanShouta-Kun | at one point there was a text file in there and everything looked legible |
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| 23:04.39 | dvs | PettanShouta-Kun: you forgot the part after the ">" |
| 23:04.45 | PettanShouta-Kun | :| |
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| 23:04.55 | dvs | and that depends on the device name of the USB drive. |
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| 23:06.22 | PettanShouta-Kun | I see |
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| 23:08.22 | jhutchins | PettanShouta-Kun: You can also cat a binary file to /dev/dsp and it will be played as audio. |
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| 23:09.02 | dvs | heh |
| 23:09.02 | PettanShouta-Kun | oh my god that sounds amazing |
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| 23:09.17 | abrotman | if not twitch-inducing :) |
| 23:09.25 | PettanShouta-Kun | so everytime I plug the drive in it mounts twice... :| |
| 23:09.33 | PettanShouta-Kun | once with a folder that just says efi |
| 23:09.39 | PettanShouta-Kun | and the other is a folder that has some files |
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| 23:10.06 | PettanShouta-Kun | I can't help but feel like I wasn't supposed to have the drive mounted when I ran the cat command |
| 23:10.16 | dvs | PettanShouta-Kun: nope |
| 23:10.25 | PettanShouta-Kun | yeah |
| 23:10.25 | PettanShouta-Kun | :| |
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| 23:10.59 | jhutchins | PettanShouta-Kun: Linx caches drive content. It'll try to write anyting left in the buffers back to the drive when you unmount, so you usually get a mix of old and new datablocks. basically a mess. |
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| 23:11.30 | PettanShouta-Kun | well I unmounted it I'll give this a shot |
| 23:11.45 | dvs | PettanShouta-Kun: Which was command EXACTLY? |
| 23:12.16 | PettanShouta-Kun | root:# cat /home/d41337/Downloads/firmware-7.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso > /dev/sdb ; sync |
| 23:12.29 | dvs | good! |
| 23:13.08 | PettanShouta-Kun | the device still mounts twice :| |
| 23:13.19 | PettanShouta-Kun | I'm guessing there's two partitions or something |
| 23:13.23 | dvs | PettanShouta-Kun: shut down the GUI |
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| 23:13.48 | dvs | PettanShouta-Kun: Oh? Youre suppose to boot from it now. |
| 23:14.20 | PettanShouta-Kun | gparted tells me that /dev/sdb contains gpt signatures |
| 23:14.29 | jhutchins | I believe you only need the trailing sync if you have mounted it. Raw devices aren't buffered. |
| 23:14.30 | PettanShouta-Kun | but doesn't have a valid fake msdos partition table |
| 23:14.32 | PettanShouta-Kun | so I'm scared lol |
| 23:15.12 | PettanShouta-Kun | and in gparted the drive shows up as 7.45 gb of unpartitioned space |
| 23:15.21 | PettanShouta-Kun | whatever |
| 23:15.23 | PettanShouta-Kun | I guess I'll give it a shot |
| 23:15.43 | jhutchins | PettanShouta-Kun: Worst case it boots and freezes. best case it runs. |
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| 23:19.59 | boodie | Hi there; how's everybody? |
| 23:20.12 | abrotman | he came back?! |
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| 23:20.26 | dvs | scare him some more! |
| 23:20.35 | macrobat | with aptitude, can I have more control of handling pkg conflicts than just accepting/refusing resolver suggestions? |
| 23:20.39 | terabit | boodie: Impossible to answer question,how can I know how everyone is doing ? :P |
| 23:20.47 | boodie | Indeed |
| 23:21.13 | dvs | macrobat: aptitude suggests serveral things and you can say "y" or "n" when then come up. |
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| 23:21.25 | macrobat | maybe apt-get is less magic and does what it's told? |
| 23:22.02 | boodie | Anyways: I can't watch dvd's with my wheezy ... I suspect there is a missing library, or something? |
| 23:22.48 | dvs | !tell boodie about dmm |
| 23:24.15 | boodie | !tell boodie about dmm squeeze |
| 23:24.39 | macrobat | if there are pkg conflicts, can't I solve some of them by removing pkgs? |
| 23:24.39 | dvs | squeeze? |
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| 23:25.04 | jhutchins | macrobat: aptitude gives you yes/no/quit. If you say no, it will try to find a different solution. |
| 23:25.35 | jhutchins | !why aptitude |
| 23:25.36 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 23:30.49 | PettanShota-Kun | So I'm in the debian installer and it can't connect to my wifi... |
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| 23:31.14 | PettanShota-Kun | It has a hidden ssid and I'm assuming this is the problem |
| 23:31.32 | PettanShota-Kun | I enter the name and give it the key but it fails |
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| 23:32.46 | PettanShota-Kun | I know that when using wpa_supplicant you have to set search essid or something like to 1 instead of 0 but idk how to even start this from the installer |
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| 23:34.12 | PettanShota-Kun | But really I know nothing about debian so idk where to start |
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| 23:39.15 | PettanShota-Kun | Anyone have any ideas ;-; |
| 23:39.55 | LtL | PettanShota-Kun: install on an ethernet cable then setup wireless later. save yourself pain. |
| 23:40.20 | PettanShota-Kun | I don't have access to the back of the AP |
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| 23:40.37 | abrotman | drill a hole in the front, use a soldering iron |
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| 23:41.07 | PettanShota-Kun | If I stick an interfaces file in etc/network/ with the loaded essid infe |
| 23:41.35 | PettanShota-Kun | And wpa-scan-ssid 1 |
| 23:41.43 | PettanShota-Kun | Do you think that would work |
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| 23:44.20 | PettanShota-Kun | With the net installer can I install a bare bones system and the update / install more later? |
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| 23:45.19 | babilen | PettanShota-Kun: Yes, but CD1 would be preferable as it really is pretty bare bone. |
| 23:45.25 | babilen | good night all |
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| 23:45.40 | jhutchins | !tell PettanShota-Kun about ig |
| 23:49.40 | wrp6 | Anyone know how to use wget? |
| 23:50.01 | wrp6 | "wget -r -l 10 --progress=bar -S --limit-rate=100k -w 5 --no-parent --random-wait --page-requisites mysite.com/dir" |
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| 23:50.12 | wrp6 | Only works if i remove --no-parent |
| 23:50.42 | wget | wrp6: Use the --mirror option |
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| 23:51.03 | wget | infinite recusrion, etc. |
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| 23:52.12 | wrp6 | wget: That mirrors the whole site |
| 23:52.19 | wrp6 | Oh, wait |
| 23:52.26 | wrp6 | Let me retry |
| 23:52.44 | boodie | Hi; I installed debian-multimedia + the libdvdcss2 library ... now it all works: thanks a lot. |
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| 23:53.06 | wrp6 | No, does not work |
| 23:53.08 | wrp6 | :/ |
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| 23:53.42 | wget | wrp6: What are you trying to do btw? |
| 23:54.11 | wrp6 | Just trying to follow all links given in /dir (/dir/index.html), as long as they don't ascend |
| 23:55.13 | wget | hum. maybe me it would be fine/easier to combine it with a bash script, and not use wget alone. |
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| 23:56.10 | pyrobisqit | Just configured my first mail server, and my mail goes to spam folder |
| 23:56.17 | pyrobisqit | is that because I haven't set up MX records? |
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| 23:56.51 | wrp6 | wget: Yeah, I will probably just end up writing a perl script and keeping it, since they have some good modules. Still, i thought i might try to get it working in case I need to do it without my own script |
| 23:57.01 | wrp6 | Fundamental issue with scripting it is you need an XML parser |
| 23:58.21 | archtimmy | pyrobisqit: if you haven't set up a MX record, you won't be able to receive mail |
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| 23:59.28 | archtimmy | if other servers classify your outgoing mail as spam, check if you have PTR and SPF records set up |
