| 00:00.08 | Khelp | and if other servers do not classify your outgoing mail as spam, check your mail client settings. |
| 00:03.01 | pyrobisqit | archtimmy: my PTR is set up, what's an SPF record? |
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| 00:04.48 | archtimmy | pyrobisqit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_policy_framework |
| 00:06.25 | teraflops | spf and/or a txt record |
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| 00:06.51 | archtimmy | it's a TXT record saying who is allowed to send mail for that domain. you can put something like "v=spf1 mx ~all" |
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| 00:08.15 | pyrobisqit | I don't understand this, I'm using CloudFlare |
| 00:08.42 | pyrobisqit | I have a dropwdown to choose the record type, I choose TXT, and then simply put v=spf1 mx ~all? |
| 00:09.08 | archtimmy | yes |
| 00:09.09 | pyrobisqit | and what should the name be? @ (root domain) or mail.mydomain.com? |
| 00:09.21 | phy1729 | should be a txt and an spf record |
| 00:09.35 | phy1729 | unless we're no longer in the transition period |
| 00:09.54 | pyrobisqit | phy1729: I have no SPF record option in CloudFlare |
| 00:09.59 | phy1729 | I do |
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| 00:10.17 | pyrobisqit | OMG I'm so stupid... it was right there |
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| 00:10.25 | pyrobisqit | so what to put in SPF record value? |
| 00:10.34 | phy1729 | the same thing |
| 00:10.46 | pyrobisqit | including v=spf1? |
| 00:10.59 | phy1729 | yeah |
| 00:11.03 | archtimmy | phy1729: seems that SPF is obsolete... though it probably can't hurt |
| 00:11.06 | pyrobisqit | and for the name? |
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| 00:11.15 | pyrobisqit | @ or mail.mydomain.com? |
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| 00:11.47 | Sia- | hi |
| 00:13.26 | Sia- | if i use any kurdish keyboard layout, then all the keyboard shortcut doesn't work! but with english, danish, or latin based alphabets works!!? |
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| 00:19.34 | Dan39 | hi, looking at tcpdump logs of a DoS attack. i see tons of ip-proto-17 and long UDP packets. what is ip-proto-17? and do you guys think it is a good chance the the source ip is spoofed since it is UDP packets? |
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| 00:20.40 | Dan39 | i also get a ton of messages in dmesg about UDP: short packet: From... |
| 00:20.43 | tux311 | how put chromium shoutcut on desktop? |
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| 00:26.35 | WilliamDotSI | i just set up a new wheezy install with boot on md0 (raid1) and / on md1 (raid1) - sdb/sdc respectively |
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| 00:26.52 | WilliamDotSI | can/should i install it on sdc also? |
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| 00:31.15 | dap300 | I need help installing Debian (did so before but I cant get it now) |
| 00:34.02 | dvs | dap300: You need to be more specific than that. |
| 00:34.34 | dap300 | dvs: I am installing from linux, added fw with isomaster |
| 00:35.03 | dap300 | dvs: but I can't boot from usb, I already used cat and dd and they didn't work |
| 00:35.08 | dap300 | what I am doing wrong in adding fw? |
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| 00:35.57 | dvs | !tell dap300 about firmware iso |
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| 00:36.20 | dap300 | I did it before.. in Windows |
| 00:36.56 | dap300 | what I did in Linux was open the iso in isomaster and add the correct realtek + non-free fw |
| 00:37.18 | dvs | dap300: That was unnecssary |
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| 00:37.53 | dap300 | adding my fw is necessary as it is not bundled |
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| 00:38.06 | dap300 | and I can't get a cable to my floor |
| 00:38.09 | dvs | dap300: Read what dpkg just told you |
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| 00:38.39 | dap300 | okay |
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| 00:44.55 | dap300 | dvs |
| 00:45.18 | dap300 | from netinst can I select other window manager and leave rest to default? |
| 00:45.51 | dvs | dap300: I think the expert install allows you to select another window manager. |
| 00:46.28 | dap300 | if so, can I just select other window manager and leave rest to default or manual configuring? |
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| 00:47.21 | dvs | dap300: Not sure. I haven't used the installer for so long. |
| 00:47.36 | HicksD | there's an option at the start of the installer to select a different desktop env |
| 00:47.43 | HicksD | everything else is the same |
| 00:47.50 | dap300 | netinst is bare minimum? |
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| 00:49.49 | foolove | there are 3 dvd downloads do I need all 3 dvd downloads also 8 cd downloads would i need all 8 to install the os |
| 00:50.00 | dvs | no |
| 00:50.03 | foolove | hoping i can just download cd1 to install the os |
| 00:50.52 | qkzoo1978 | Ok, fresh Debian install. I did not set up a root account, opting for sudo instead. Using lxde, whenever I click "open current folder as root" it tells me that my password is incorrect. Any ideas? |
| 00:51.16 | qkzoo1978 | ..using pcmanfm I meant. |
| 00:52.19 | buu | Doesn't debian always set up a root account |
| 00:52.31 | buu | foolove: just netinstall |
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| 00:52.59 | dap300 | make a new user with wheel group? |
| 00:53.03 | dap300 | sudoers? |
| 00:53.06 | qkzoo1978 | No, you can specify in installer to use sudo instead just by not entering a password. |
| 00:53.44 | qkzoo1978 | New user with wheel group? |
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| 00:54.57 | qkzoo1978 | Hmm my user name is not in the sudoers |
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| 00:55.16 | dap300 | Why not add your user to wheel? |
| 00:55.30 | qkzoo1978 | I don't understand wheel? |
| 00:56.04 | dap300 | it's a user group |
| 00:56.29 | dap300 | man usermod |
| 00:56.42 | qkzoo1978 | Do you have a link with more info? |
| 00:57.04 | qkzoo1978 | Nm reading man |
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| 01:02.07 | qkzoo1978 | Ok, well wheel would be if I didn't want to use a password. I don't mindusing a password |
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| 01:03.21 | dap300 | do you have a root account |
| 01:06.05 | dap300 | What do you want to do |
| 01:06.16 | dap300 | just try wheel and sudoers |
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| 01:09.37 | qkzoo1978 | I think I found the problem, trying out a solution. Lxde set root user to launch using xdg instead of gksu/gksudo |
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| 01:11.05 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | has anyone ever successfully built xfce suite from pkg-xfce.alioth repo? |
| 01:11.17 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | my pbuilder is failing |
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| 01:11.30 | dskfl | i have installed debian wheezy but i need wine 1.5 from testing, how can i go about installing that? |
| 01:11.42 | dvs | ,v wine |
| 01:11.43 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; jessie: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; sid: 1.6.1-7 |
| 01:11.57 | dvs | 1.5 is not in testing |
| 01:12.09 | dvs | ,v wine --arch amd64 |
| 01:12.10 | judd | Package: wine on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; jessie: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; sid: 1.6.1-7 |
| 01:12.17 | ska | Are only "Live CD" suitable for USB install? |
| 01:12.26 | qkzoo1978 | Weird, when I told pcmanfm to use gksu it didn't work, but when I told it to with using gksudo it works fine ...? |
| 01:12.30 | dvs | ska: Nope |
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| 01:12.37 | dskfl | well it seems there's no 1.5 |
| 01:12.46 | dskfl | can i get 1.6 from sid? |
| 01:12.53 | ska | dvs: I can use any image? |
| 01:12.58 | dvs | ska: yes |
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| 01:13.09 | ska | dvs: just shoot it on with dd? |
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| 01:13.18 | dvs | ska: Yes |
| 01:13.37 | ska | dvs: I thought that, but I didn't see that written on the other image pages. |
| 01:13.46 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | qkzoo1978: perhaps it's bug #481689 |
| 01:15.34 | dskfl | let me rephrase, can i get the latest wine version in wheezy without messing my install ? |
| 01:15.38 | babilen | ska: Better use cp and you can use any image, for installation the "normal" images are probably better |
| 01:15.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell ska -about usb install |
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| 01:16.20 | somiaj | dskfl: yes but you will have to recompile it yourself, do you 64bit or 32bit? |
| 01:16.26 | dskfl | 32 |
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| 01:17.05 | somiaj | that makes it easier |
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| 01:18.05 | dskfl | found this http://wiki.winehq.org/Recommended_Packages should i follow this? |
| 01:18.09 | somiaj | dskfl: http://paste.debian.net/72790/ -- those are some notes for building it on debian amd64, since you are on 32bit you can skip the chroot part (unless you don't want to install compling tools on your main install) |
| 01:18.13 | qkzoo1978 | Yep its that bug |
| 01:18.32 | dskfl | somiaj, thanks |
| 01:18.58 | somiaj | dskfl: start at line 22 if you don't want to build a chroot to compile it |
| 01:19.12 | somiaj | dskfl: those instructions are for 1.6, but it should work with any of the 1.7 tar balls |
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| 01:19.40 | dskfl | somiaj, so i should go for the 1.7? |
| 01:19.49 | dskfl | somiaj, i mean i see no reason why not |
| 01:19.58 | somiaj | dskfl: that is up to you and the software you want to run, 1.6 is teh stable tree and some prefer that over the dev 1.7 tree |
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| 01:20.17 | dskfl | somiaj, than 1.6 it is :) |
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| 01:20.50 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | qkzoo1978: good. make sure to nag to the maintainer as gksu hasn't been updated in a while |
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| 01:21.16 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | perhaps gksu will get phased out sooner than this bug fixed :) |
| 01:21.43 | qkzoo1978 | I see that quite a few years it looks, seems there is a patch/hack fix |
| 01:22.09 | somiaj | dskfl: I'd get the 1.6.1 then, those notes only have you wget the 1.6 version, so adjust as needed |
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| 01:22.44 | dskfl | somiaj, hope it works |
| 01:22.55 | somiaj | dskfl: I've built many wine packages with those notes, it works. (: |
| 01:23.07 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | qkzoo1978: yes, indeed, no more interest in gksu http://www.nongnu.org/gksu/ |
| 01:23.15 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | gnome is a badass |
| 01:23.26 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | ˇ |
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| 01:24.40 | somiaj | for those who want to goto the darkside, gnome is okay. (: |
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| 01:25.03 | dskfl | openbox FTW |
| 01:25.25 | RdrOfTheSt0rm | hi guys is there a way to assign an ip address to a user at login so different users can use different ip's? |
| 01:25.31 | dskfl | can't stand gnome 3 |
| 01:26.05 | dskfl | users don't use ips |
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| 01:26.13 | dskfl | NIC's do |
| 01:26.20 | somiaj | RdrOfTheSt0rm: not sure if route is powerfull enough to do that, though seems like a strange configuration issue. I know you can configure what ip/interface servers listen/respond on. But not sure if you have a user specific route |
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| 01:26.33 | totesmuhgoats | hi folks |
| 01:26.40 | somiaj | but I would look into your default routes and see if you can configure them per user as opposed to machine. |
| 01:26.46 | somiaj | my guess is no |
| 01:26.49 | totesmuhgoats | if i have a debian system, how can i tell what the codename is for the release it is running? |
| 01:26.57 | qkzoo1978 | Hmm any idea how to apply a patch? |
| 01:27.05 | somiaj | totesmuhgoats: /etc/debain_version may tell you |
| 01:27.17 | somiaj | totesmuhgoats: lsb_release is more reliable |
| 01:27.39 | somiaj | qkzoo1978: you usually apply it to the source code and have to recompile the package/software |
| 01:27.55 | totesmuhgoats | i don't seem to have an lsb_release, /etc/debian_version says 7.3 |
| 01:28.04 | RdrOfTheSt0rm | looking to filter my kids internet usage using MAC filtering on my router trying to think of an easy way to do it... |
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| 01:28.37 | somiaj | totesmuhgoats: you have to install that package. |
| 01:28.57 | somiaj | totesmuhgoats: 7.3 is wheezy |
| 01:29.19 | qkzoo1978 | somiaj oh, well scratch that idea then. |
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| 01:29.29 | totesmuhgoats | somiaj: thanks for the info my friend |
| 01:29.58 | Hassen | what's the command that uninstalls the default vi editor that came with debian?i want to uninstall it and install the new VIM. |
| 01:29.59 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | qkzoo1978: you can just run: update-alternatives --set libgksu-gconf-defaults /usr/share/libgksu/debian/gconf-defaults.libgksu-sudo && update-gconf-defaults |
| 01:30.21 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | sudo both commands |
| 01:30.31 | somiaj | RdrOfTheSt0rm: I think iptables is what you will want, might just want to change the iptable config when you are using it then turn it back |
| 01:30.37 | qkzoo1978 | Oooo thanks! |
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| 01:31.51 | RdrOfTheSt0rm | somiaj was trying to go lan wide filtering |
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| 01:33.26 | qkzoo1978 | Great thanks iiiii |
| 01:33.31 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | np |
| 01:33.53 | qkzoo1978 | You just pull that command outta your head?? |
| 01:34.04 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | out of that patch, actually |
| 01:34.11 | qkzoo1978 | Oh haha |
| 01:34.11 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | had a similar problem myself recently |
| 01:34.22 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | similar=same |
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| 01:34.37 | qkzoo1978 | If I did a remastersys on this system, would that patch stick? |
| 01:34.39 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | don't know why the maintainer doesn't upload it |
| 01:35.11 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | no idea |
| 01:35.19 | qkzoo1978 | Well, which maintainer, I'm using a minimal Debian install |
| 01:35.23 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | if it creates a disk image, then yes |
| 01:35.26 | somiaj | RdrOfTheSt0rm: then get a router and put a firewall on it that only allows certain address. That is what I am gonna set up for my nephew |
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| 01:36.22 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | qkzoo1978: maintainer as the debian maintainer responsible for the gksu package |
| 01:36.24 | dskfl | RdrOfTheSt0rm, maybe use some firmware like openwrt |
| 01:36.39 | qkzoo1978 | Oh, ya, definitely. |
| 01:36.42 | dskfl | RdrOfTheSt0rm, a lot of routers support openwrt and it's free |
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| 01:45.36 | qkzoo1978 | Thanks for the help folks! |
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| 01:46.35 | MiW | Hi! How long does it take for a package to get from incoming to unstable? the linux-image-amd64 metapackage in sid is pointing to linux-image-3.11-2-amd64 which has been replaced by linux-3.12-1-amd64 |
| 01:47.06 | MiW | it looks like the kernel image package is in unstable, but the metapackage is old. the incoming version appears to be the correct version to match unstable |
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| 01:47.35 | MiW | its breaking debian live scripts, that use the metapackage to make the chroot. |
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| 01:52.28 | dskfl | RdrOfTheSt0rm, the simplest thing to do is to use opendns dns servers for familyshield if blocking adult sites is what you need. Read about it here https://store.opendns.com/familyshield/setup/operatingsystem/ubuntu |
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| 02:04.32 | krazyj | hey all... i have testing sources added to my sources.list and pinning setup correctly (i think) but i keep getting this: |
| 02:04.33 | krazyj | E: Release 'testing' for 'znc' was not found |
| 02:04.51 | krazyj | that's when i try to so apt-get -s install znc/testing |
| 02:05.03 | krazyj | however `apt-get -s install znc/stable` always works, as expected |
| 02:05.05 | krazyj | any thoughts? |
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| 02:08.47 | buu | krazyj: Does the package actually exist in testing? |
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| 02:09.07 | krazyj | buu: d'oh. just realized i needed to `sudo apt-get update` |
| 02:09.20 | buu | -_- |
| 02:09.30 | krazyj | buu: new problem: Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 02:09.57 | buu | Could be a problem |
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| 02:10.04 | krazyj | 'Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14) but 2.13-38 is to be installed' + 'Recommends: znc-tcl but it is not going to be installed' |
| 02:10.14 | buu | oh |
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| 02:10.25 | buu | krazyj: libc6 will reinstall like your entire system |
| 02:10.41 | krazyj | i think i have my pinning setup to prefer stable, as much as possible, but dependencies are breaking the whole install, somehow |
| 02:10.42 | krazyj | buu: wat |
| 02:11.00 | krazyj | what's libc6? (sorry, noob) |
| 02:11.18 | somiaj | DrOwl: sounds like youare mixing versions of debain, this is bad bad juju |
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| 02:11.26 | somiaj | krazyj: ^^ |
| 02:11.27 | buu | krazyj: libc6 is a very core library that a very large number of required debian packages are compiled against |
| 02:11.29 | somiaj | DrOwl: sorry |
| 02:11.40 | krazyj | somiaj: right,i want to run a mixed systm |
| 02:11.50 | krazyj | buu: gah. so no good solution here, i guess? |
| 02:11.55 | somiaj | krazyj: no you don't, do not mix versions of debian. No support. Learn about backports |
| 02:12.02 | krazyj | meh, i'm ok with that |
| 02:12.03 | buu | krazyj: I'd either upgrade entirely to testing or just compile it yourself |
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| 02:21.44 | mike_o | I just created a usb installer (using 'dd'). However, after writing the installer to the drive it has also made it write protected. How can I remove write protection so I can add the firmware tarball to the disk? |
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| 02:22.07 | Maxou56800 | Hello |
| 02:24.39 | somiaj | mike_o: the image is fairly static and has a set size, I don't think it is an easy task to do that |
| 02:24.47 | somiaj | mike_o: why not just use a firmware image to start wit |
| 02:24.50 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 02:24.50 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 02:25.54 | mike_o | Somiaj, I'll give that a try I was just trying to avoid downloading the image again. |
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| 02:45.21 | MrMonkey31 | does the stable repo contain a prior version of x11? I know I should be able to tell this, but I'm just looking for some miscellaneous tips. the problem sources from an outdated graphics card that I'm nevertheless keeping for at least 2 more months |
| 02:46.34 | somiaj | MrMonkey31: what graphics card? There are -legacy drivers for both nvidia and ati (non-free) for the eariler versions |
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| 02:46.49 | abrotman | MrMonkey31: no, you can use the snapshot archive, but why can't you use nouveau ? |
| 02:46.54 | somiaj | the free drives support prior versions just fine, so your issue must be with wanting non-free drivers? |
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| 02:47.39 | MrMonkey31 | somiaj: I'm bugging out. I thought nouveau was nvidia, and gallium's ati? I do want the non-free, to get wine stuff going |
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| 02:48.00 | abrotman | gallium? |
| 02:48.05 | pylearner | find: error while loading shared libraries: __vdso_time: invalid mode for dlopen |
| 02:48.18 | abrotman | you mean radeon ? |
| 02:48.18 | pylearner | man this is got me good from my reading im having conflicting libc |
| 02:48.29 | pylearner | and ouch anything i do i get this error |
| 02:48.31 | MrMonkey31 | and the one I tried seems to have overwritten my firmware (?). I presume uninstalling the package will undo that action, but have not gotten this far. I'm on the wall completely |
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| 02:48.52 | MrMonkey31 | abrotman: gallium for radeon, perhaps |
| 02:48.55 | somiaj | MrMonkey31: nouveau is the free version of the nvidia drivers, 'apt-cache search nvidia-kernel-dkms | grep legacy' -- grab the version that works for your card |
| 02:49.07 | abrotman | no, it's called radeon |
| 02:49.38 | MrMonkey31 | Yeah. I'm going to just put my win32 projects on hold instead. figure it's on me, for picking up a discounted board! |
| 02:49.48 | somiaj | MrMonkey31: if you want non-free ati, 'apt-cache search fglrx-legacy' |
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| 02:50.18 | somiaj | in either case, grab the dkms package and it should compile the module against your kernel (provided you have the -headers package installed) |
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| 02:50.29 | somiaj | you will also need to grab the xorg video legacy drvier for the driver you use. |
| 02:50.30 | abrotman | hugs his intel video :) |
| 02:50.54 | MrMonkey31 | somiaj: compile against the kernel eh... haven't tried that! will! |
| 02:50.56 | somiaj | or as abrotman said, the free 'radeon' will work just fine with that card, and if you install firmware-nonfree you do get decent 3d support with it |
| 02:51.10 | somiaj | MrMonkey31: the dkms pacakges to it automatically provided you have linux-headers-`uname -a` package installed |
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| 03:02.59 | hassen | I was trying to remove the default vi editor that came with debian by typing "apt-get remove vi" so i install the new VIM from Synaptic,but the command didn't work |
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| 03:03.19 | hassen | isn't the syntax right? |
| 03:03.57 | abrotman | probably not .. dpkg -l | grep vi |
| 03:04.05 | abrotman | probably vim-tiny is installed |
| 03:04.10 | abrotman | why would you want to remove it? |
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| 03:05.08 | hassen | abrotman: it's very annoying when i type my codes,the cursor is tricky and standing on the way to type correctly |
| 03:05.42 | abrotman | yes, the cursor is tricky |
| 03:05.49 | abrotman | the cursor is the work of the devil ... |
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| 03:08.20 | hassen | abrotman: it's vim-tiny indeed,thanks |
| 03:08.33 | hassen | abrotman: is that the editor's full name? |
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| 03:10.31 | rudi_s | hassen: You shoulnd't remove the package though. |
| 03:11.04 | rudi_s | Just install a "normal" vim and dpkg's alternatives will take care of symlinking vi. |
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| 03:11.22 | hassen | will it be get overwritten then? |
| 03:11.28 | hassen | *it get |
| 03:11.32 | rudi_s | hassen: Yes. |
| 03:11.45 | hassen | rudi_s: i see |
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| 03:14.43 | rudi_s | hassen: man update-alternatives |
| 03:14.52 | rudi_s | *for background information |
| 03:15.04 | hassen | rudi_s: thanks |
| 03:15.09 | rudi_s | np |
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| 03:15.12 | debian-davi | I did it |
| 03:15.34 | hassen | debian-davi: what |
| 03:15.46 | debian-davi | after some trouble w/ os-prober and having to mount /dev, /sys and / and doing update-grub |
| 03:15.52 | debian-davi | here I am, thanks for the support |
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| 03:16.27 | tnwnsf | anyone get qtwayland to install on debian testing ? |
| 03:18.02 | tnwnsf | i get this error: qwayland-wayland.h: No such file or directory |
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| 03:21.52 | debian-davi | hmm |
| 03:21.55 | debian-davi | is this supposed to happen? |
| 03:22.12 | debian-davi | netinst install gave me no make and gcc |
| 03:22.26 | buu | debian-davi: Yes, that's supposed to happen |
| 03:22.29 | abrotman | !b-e debian-davi |
| 03:22.30 | dpkg | debian-davi: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 03:23.16 | debian-davi | so I guess everything works |
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| 03:53.15 | hassen | duh...can't figure out why would I have to switch to root so i can write a .py file |
| 03:53.54 | phy1729 | what are the permissions on the file and directory? |
| 03:55.24 | hassen | phy1729: yeah 755 sorting it |
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| 04:10.31 | independent | what is the default mirror URL in linux deplor for debian Wheezy? |
| 04:11.00 | independent | deploy* |
| 04:11.28 | stew | independent: what do you mean? a url to find a list of mirrors? |
| 04:11.32 | stew | independent: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:12.00 | independent | ive been trying to change the default mirror URL with no success |
| 04:12.30 | stew | independent: what country are you in? |
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| 04:12.36 | independent | canada |
| 04:12.54 | stew | http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian |
| 04:15.20 | independent | E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/Ftp could not be found |
| 04:15.31 | independent | this gave me an error while trying to reconfigure |
| 04:15.49 | stew | independent: what did you put into sources.list exactly? |
| 04:15.53 | stew | !wheezy sources.list |
| 04:15.53 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 04:16.10 | stew | you should have put a line like |
| 04:16.23 | stew | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main" |
| 04:16.27 | stew | without a " |
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| 04:18.09 | independent | it was a site with wheezy.ru i think |
| 04:18.19 | independent | something like that |
| 04:19.32 | stew | what was? |
| 04:19.59 | independent | ive been trying to change the default mirror url because when i was downloading the additional pkgs i got connection drop everytime i was downloading translation files around 3700kb |
| 04:20.43 | stew | how exactly are you trying to change it? what commands gives you this error? |
| 04:21.10 | independent | im into linux deploy on an android LG L45C |
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| 04:21.38 | independent | changing it from the configuration page where install is |
| 04:22.06 | stew | what configuration page are you talking about? |
| 04:22.20 | independent | nvm |
| 04:22.35 | independent | got it it is mirror.yandex.ru/debian |
| 04:23.56 | independent | is that the same mirror than ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ ? |
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| 04:24.23 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | independent: nop, thats russian mirror |
| 04:24.54 | independent | i mean are the files the same? |
| 04:25.50 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | they should be |
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| 04:26.44 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | as the word "mirror" suggests |
| 04:26.46 | stew | independent: the Release signatures match, so yes |
| 04:27.16 | stew | http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg matches http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg |
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| 04:29.34 | independent | what are graphics subsystem, i mean if i remove it will i be able to view the desktop? |
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| 04:29.44 | independent | locally |
| 04:30.06 | stew | remove what how? |
| 04:30.09 | reavengrey | )not foreignly) |
| 04:30.25 | independent | because VNC one failed for me |
| 04:30.37 | independent | what should I put there? |
| 04:30.40 | stew | "VNC one"? what failed? |
| 04:30.46 | stew | this is going to be a never ending scavenger hunt |
| 04:30.54 | stew | trying to extract useful information |
| 04:31.03 | independent | sry im noob |
| 04:32.15 | independent | i try to install linux on my android, in the praphics subsystem i have choice between VNC X window System and frame buffer |
| 04:32.35 | independent | i tried VNC but it failed when i was trying to mount |
| 04:32.46 | independent | what should i try next? |
| 04:33.04 | stew | when you say "install linux" do you mean "install debian"? |
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| 04:33.20 | independent | yeah |
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| 04:33.58 | stew | and how are you trying to install debian? you are running some program? somewhere to try to push a debian install from one machine to another? |
| 04:34.19 | independent | from linux deploy |
| 04:34.24 | phunyguy | hey foilks, oddball question. I like the Ubuntu "envelope" that contains message indicators from things like pidgin, and mail clients. I found packages for it in the Debian repos, but I cannot get any apps to populate in the list... |
| 04:34.26 | stew | what is "linux deploy"? |
| 04:34.31 | phunyguy | does that make sense? |
| 04:34.52 | phunyguy | it's the indicator-plugin stuff |
| 04:35.07 | independent | linux deploy is an android program to deploy linux on android |
| 04:35.15 | independent | thought you knew that? |
| 04:35.22 | stew | never heard of it |
| 04:38.39 | independent | then I must be not so much of a noob then... |
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| 04:40.12 | independent | just having issues trying to do it |
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| 05:01.11 | dizzylizzy | I feel like I'm starting to know my way around. I was about to ask if it's possible to change the label of a filesystem, and then I squinted my eyes and ran "dpkg -L e2fsprogs |grep bin". e2label, great. |
| 05:02.12 | stew | dizzylizzy: nice one :) |
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| 05:06.01 | dizzylizzy | nnnggg my filesystem browser looks much nicer now |
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| 05:11.23 | macrobat | aptitude has been unresponsive while applying changes for 6.5 hours. the system is swapping. is it safe to kill aptitude? |
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| 05:17.03 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 05:18.51 | ShapeShifter499 | I have a bluetooth headset that was working just fine before I had a issue and needed to reinstall my entire system now the same bluetooth device is having issues. I used to be able to go into my room 30+ feet from my laptop and now if I just turn my head so the right side is facing away from the laptop the audio starts to cut out. Any ideas guys? |
| 05:19.03 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm running debian wheezy |
| 05:20.55 | ShapeShifter499 | this really bothers me |
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| 05:22.00 | bl4ckdu5t | I get this error after apt-get update 'W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org>' |
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| 05:32.04 | macrobat | !key |
| 05:32.04 | dpkg | Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest GPG key used to sign the Debian archive. |
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| 05:32.57 | LtL | bl4ckdu5t: try apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 05:33.24 | LtL | i hate cross-posting |
| 05:33.45 | LtL | dislike rather |
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| 05:35.59 | bl4ckdu5t | I am usually not on OFTC. I don't do that often |
| 05:40.10 | ShapeShifter499 | I have another question, why does the following command "sudo iptables-save -c > /etc/iptables.rules" cause "bash: /etc/iptables.rules: Permission denied"? |
| 05:40.41 | ShapeShifter499 | I set up sudo correctly it seems, I can run other commands that need root with sudo on my system |
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| 05:43.30 | phy1729 | ShapeShifter499: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/850730/how-can-i-append-text-to-etc-apt-sources-list-from-the-command-line |
| 05:43.56 | phy1729 | "iptables-save -c" is run as root the redirect is not |
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| 05:46.50 | ShapeShifter499 | phy1729: oh right >.< |
| 05:46.54 | ShapeShifter499 | :/ |
| 05:47.00 | Some_Person | I've been wondering if my dad's older PC would run any faster if I ran the x86 instead of the amd64 version of debian on it. What do y'all think? |
| 05:47.25 | ShapeShifter499 | phy1729: thanks for jogging my memory |
| 05:47.28 | Some_Person | The CPU is a 2 GHz AMD Sempron |
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| 05:51.41 | Some_Person | Would there likely be no difference, or might one of them run a bit faster? |
| 05:54.33 | Rusty1 | Some_Person: if the 64 bit is working i wouldnt mess with it |
| 05:55.00 | Some_Person | The thing is, even after doing everything I can think of to speed things up, my dad still complains that it's too slow |
| 05:56.25 | Some_Person | and he insists that Windows XP is faster and keeps wanting me to switch him back to that (XP is EOL in a few months, and I'm tired of regularly having to clear the malware he somehow regularly gets with Windows, so I'm not going to do that) |
| 05:56.27 | phy1729 | where is it too slow? |
| 05:56.33 | Rusty1 | Some_Person: what is too slow in particular, id web browsing try chromium-browser or a lighter weight desktop environment |
| 05:56.41 | Some_Person | I don't know. He's never specific when I ask him |
| 05:56.44 | Some_Person | It seems fine to me |
| 05:57.07 | Some_Person | I have him using LXDE, and Midori as his browser |
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| 05:58.01 | Some_Person | I can't think of anything else I can do |
| 05:58.01 | Rusty1 | doesnt get much lighter than that |
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| 05:58.49 | Some_Person | I'm pretty sure it's all in his head at this point. He's still not used to Linux and doesn't want to use it |
| 05:59.54 | Rusty1 | dony force the issue, Some_Person put 8.1 on it, uses less resources than xp |
| 06:00.06 | Rusty1 | *don't |
| 06:00.16 | Some_Person | Oh god. I hate Windows 8 myself and can't imagine my dad trying to use it |
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| 06:00.40 | Rusty1 | well, he'll appreciate lxde then' |
| 06:01.00 | phy1729 | just give him is options as 8.1 of what he has now :) |
| 06:01.04 | phy1729 | or* |
| 06:01.40 | wsky | windows 8 wont run on all of the older machines. |
| 06:01.56 | Some_Person | I'm sure 8 would be a lot slower anyway |
| 06:02.20 | phy1729 | exactly |
| 06:03.45 | Some_Person | I just don't know what to do. Like I said, I'm sure it's all in his head, but I don't know how to convince him |
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| 06:15.52 | hassen | The software update's window seems to be stuck for a while at the end of the task,even the bandwidth usage for the updates is mostly 0 ( http://s30.postimg.org/8clxpreap/Screenshot_from_2013_12_28_07_10_32.png ) |
| 06:16.01 | hassen | should I quit it? |
| 06:16.26 | hassen | not sure if the task is finished or not |
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| 06:27.44 | dizzylizzy | Hey Debian! when I want to restart networking services, what command should I use? "invoke-rc.d networking restart" is apparently deprecated and not ideal, but that notification doesn't provide me with any further information on how to restart networking services |
| 06:27.46 | dizzylizzy | any advice? |
| 06:28.12 | phy1729 | dizzylizzy: use reload instead of restart |
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| 06:34.15 | dizzylizzy | thanks phy1729 |
| 06:40.33 | independent | im good |
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| 07:01.01 | Tasab | pico command can be work on ubuntu ? |
| 07:01.28 | terabit | this is debian not ubuntu and use nano!!! |
| 07:01.31 | terabit | #ubuntu |
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| 07:43.05 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | because lennart |
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| 07:47.15 | ShapeShifter499 | hi again |
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| 07:49.15 | ShapeShifter499 | I know a kernel package I have installed will allways start with liquorix- but the rest changes based on current kernel sources |
| 07:50.03 | ShapeShifter499 | I like to pin it so that regardless of my other pins that any packages starting with "liquorix-" can be installed (if not already) and updated |
| 07:51.11 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm guessing the Package line would look like "Package: liquorix-*" can anyone tell me if that would work? |
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| 08:19.54 | paolob | Hi guys! When this morning I connected to my debian server I saw in the terminal (I use screen) many messages, you can see them in http://pastebin.com/uGXSXTdX . Is it anyting to worry about? |
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| 08:20.18 | oxez | Hello. I notice that the latest nvidia-drivers (331.20) are only found in experimental. I'm assuming installing stuff from experimental (I run testing) would not be very safe... Would installing nvidia drivers by hand (directly from their website) be a viable alternative or would that not work? |
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| 09:18.55 | Bretos1 | hello guys! |
| 09:19.04 | klys | whazza |
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| 09:22.51 | Bretos | I am trying to install TOR on my Debian 7.3 server, but I wanted to install version 0.2.4 from backports of jessie. So I added backports to my sources.list, did aptitude upgrade but aptitude -t wheezy-backports still shows 0.2.3 :( |
| 09:23.14 | Bretos | well I've added both wheezy-backports and jessie-backports |
| 09:23.54 | oxez | by aptitude upgrade you meant aptitude update? |
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| 09:24.02 | Bretos | oxez: sure |
| 09:24.05 | Bretos | sorry for that |
| 09:24.13 | Bretos | I did aptitude update of course |
| 09:26.35 | Bretos | any ideas? |
| 09:26.36 | oxez | Bretos: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/allpackages?format=txt.gz -- tor doesn't seem to be in wheezy-backports |
| 09:27.17 | Bretos | huh, That's a bumer :( I was suggesting by http://packages.debian.org/search?lang=pl&searchon=names&keywords=tor |
| 09:27.30 | Bretos | I thought backports had all packages of next release :) |
| 09:27.33 | Bretos | :( * |
| 09:27.42 | Bretos | axisys: is there any way, other than compiling of installing newer version? |
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| 09:28.02 | Bretos | I would like to avoid compilation on my own to be able to upgrade from aptitude in future |
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| 09:31.01 | oxez | Bretos: I am not familiart with installing packages from other branches, but you could probably add jessie/main to your sources.list, and aptitude -t jessie install tor |
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| 09:31.20 | oxez | someone might correct me since I'm not 100% sure this is how we do |
| 09:31.51 | Bretos | oxez: I guess I'm gonna add jessie resources, do apti update, install my package and remove those repos then |
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| 09:32.55 | Bretos | Hope I won't break my server setup |
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| 09:33.16 | Bretos | In such case I'd have to kill myself... and I don't want to do that ;( |
| 09:34.55 | Bretos | hm.. what if I'd remove stable repos and upgrade to testing? |
| 09:35.13 | Bretos | it shouldn't crash, should it? |
| 09:35.36 | oxez | well, it's called testing |
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| 09:36.03 | Bretos | yeah, but still, debian testing is more stable than other 'stable' distros |
| 09:36.20 | Bretos | my main concern is will that stable -> testing upgrade crash anything, not testing itself |
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| 09:39.45 | Penix | Bretos: don't add testing sources to your stable system. you will end up with a broken system |
| 09:40.11 | Bretos | Penix: so there's no safe way to upgrade stable -> testing, other than reinstalling? |
| 09:40.58 | Penix | Bretos: you can upgrade from stable to testing. that's what's expected if you want testing. |
| 09:41.18 | Penix | Bretos: you can not do what you mentioned earlier without ending up with a messy, broken hybrid |
| 09:41.48 | Bretos | ok, so adding testing repos to source.list, updating aptitude and then upgrading to testing should be OK? |
| 09:43.01 | Penix | Bretos: if you think you can deal with any issues that may arise from using testing, then, yes. |
| 09:43.12 | Penix | Bretos: people may be less willing to offer support if something breaks though |
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| 09:43.33 | Penix | Bretos: if you simply want a newer version of a particular package, use a backport |
| 09:43.55 | Bretos | I am using testing on daily basis on home server and I have no problems with it whatsoever |
| 09:45.31 | OsteHovel | Does backport get security updates like normal debian repo? |
| 09:46.23 | Penix | OsteHovel: no |
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| 09:48.59 | Wau | in debian o/s is there something like device manager(windows) to detect hardware ? thank u |
| 09:49.29 | Bretos | Wau: lspci, lsusb, or even ls /dev |
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| 09:49.48 | Bretos | dmesg for newly attached hw |
| 09:50.07 | Wau | Bretos, to be written on the terminal ? |
| 09:50.13 | Bretos | yes |
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| 09:50.33 | Wau | good , done |
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| 10:06.14 | jelly-home | !what's my hardware |
| 10:06.14 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>. |
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| 10:15.58 | dali | Why do I get a "Bad configuration option: Match" when I add it to my sshd_config, debian 7.0, openssh 6.0p1 |
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| 10:20.08 | nkuttler | dali: it? |
| 10:20.29 | dali | Match user root |
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| 10:20.51 | dali | ForceCommand nc -q0 localhost 22 |
| 10:21.03 | nkuttler | dali: paste.debian.net, everything relevant |
| 10:21.29 | dali | yes, sorry, but why does it not have support for the Match directive? |
| 10:21.57 | nkuttler | certainly has |
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| 10:22.49 | dali | It should have, but still errors when using the Match directive |
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| 10:23.04 | dali | any ideas? |
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| 10:34.09 | dali | reinstalling openssh-server did the trick.. |
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| 10:58.23 | independent | i just installed open ssh on squeeze but when i try to login i cant get past the authetification ive been trying root toor , etc... the problem is I cannot use the terminal to adduser or set new password, what to do? |
| 10:59.18 | klys | check the configs in /etc/pam.d ? |
| 10:59.53 | nkuttler | independent: tail -f /var/log/auth.log, and ssh -vv |
| 11:00.04 | nkuttler | and what's with guessing usernames anyway? |
| 11:00.19 | nkuttler | independent: and why can't you use the terminal? |
| 11:01.25 | independent | because i installed squeeze with linux deploy for android and the gui wont load |
| 11:01.55 | independent | but everything else works |
| 11:02.01 | independent | xcept for the passwords |
| 11:02.21 | nkuttler | doesn't know what that even means |
| 11:02.43 | klys | ah, he must not be root. |
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| 11:02.49 | nkuttler | is that like running debian on an android phone? |
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| 11:02.55 | independent | yes |
| 11:03.00 | nkuttler | i assume you have no proper bootloader either? |
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| 11:03.18 | nkuttler | independent: usually you'd boot into single user mode and just fix things |
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| 11:03.47 | independent | the thing i could do is execute a script |
| 11:03.59 | independent | is there a script for changing passwords? |
| 11:04.06 | nkuttler | independent: you probably want to talk to the people who wrote the installer for that thing |
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| 11:06.19 | Penix | independent: so, you've got a debian chroot on android? |
| 11:06.31 | independent | yup |
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| 11:07.03 | Penix | independent: chroot in to it and reset the passwd then |
| 11:08.06 | klys | echo "if [ -x /home/u1000/root_script ]; then . /home/root_script; fi" >> /linuxrc |
| 11:08.17 | klys | how's that for a jailbreak |
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| 11:08.55 | klys | er, contains one error. /home/.../root_script |
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| 11:11.19 | independent | when i mount the phone I just have a linux.img ... no files or anything i can modify in the phone |
| 11:12.29 | oo_miguel | Something strange is happening recently. Whenever I try to shutdown my system. it halts on the message "Power down" just after something about rcpbind, and I have to turn the power off manually. It used to be turned off automatically before. Any Ideas what might be causing that? |
| 11:12.56 | independent | can i burn that img on a disk and see if it loads up in vmware? |
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| 11:14.14 | Penix | independent: if it's a debian chroot that's intended to be run within android on a phone, it will not be bootable, or even x86 |
| 11:14.34 | klys | your cpu is probably an arm chip, if it's a phone. |
| 11:14.36 | Penix | independent: you'll have to get help from whoever created the image |
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| 11:15.35 | independent | maybe if i use an android emulator for windows i could mount the image? |
| 11:15.51 | independent | and see if i can change the password there |
| 11:15.56 | Penix | independent: why? there's just a filesystem inside. mount it |
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| 11:16.45 | Penix | independent: search google for documentation on loopback mounting such an image. we can't really offer any further help, as it's not really a debian specific thing |
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| 11:18.02 | klys | iirc, rootfs is probably jffs2. |
| 11:19.24 | Penix | I don't see why a debian chroot image would use jffs2. it's not intended to be installed directly to a flash device |
| 11:19.39 | Penix | it's intended to be placed within the android host's fs |
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| 11:20.20 | klys | right, which would be rootfs |
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| 11:20.37 | Penix | what's that got to do with mounting what's inside the debian image? |
| 11:21.01 | klys | er, chroot also only works as root. |
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| 11:22.09 | Penix | I'd assume if you're dealing with installing a debian chroot, you'd have root access on the android system |
| 11:22.56 | pyrobisqit | is it possible to force both Dovecot and Postfix to ONLY listen to STARTTLS connections, and ignore any attempts to login using standard TLS/SSL and unencrypted connections? |
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| 11:24.44 | klys | It's likely possible at the source level. |
| 11:27.10 | miloszg | pyrobisqit: what about smtpd_tls_security_level configuration variable, it can be set to 'encrypt' value to enforce use of tls |
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| 11:27.39 | pyrobisqit | miloszg: I only want to allow STARTTLS, not SSL/TLS if possible |
| 11:27.53 | pyrobisqit | if not possible only allow SSL/TLS and STARTTLS, and not cleartext |
| 11:29.41 | pyrobisqit | http://paste.debian.net/72824/ would that do the trick? |
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| 11:30.09 | Bretos | how can you not enable ssl/tls and allow starttls? 0.o |
| 11:30.17 | Bretos | starttls is a service providing trusted keys and crts |
| 11:30.21 | pyrobisqit | I know |
| 11:30.33 | Bretos | Penix: upgrade succesfull |
| 11:30.43 | pyrobisqit | I wanted to know if it's possible to drop connections trying to send mail through SSL/TLS without the use of STARTTLS |
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| 11:37.53 | haash | Hey, was wondering if someone could help me with a trivial issue. Looking for the source of the 7.3 x86 iso in my local ISP's repo, could someone point me in the right direction? http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/debian/ |
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| 11:39.47 | babilen | haash: What do you mean by "the source" ? |
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| 11:40.19 | Penix | haash: I don't think internode mirrors the source images. I've never noticed them before |
| 11:40.26 | haash | Sorry babilen, looking for the full installation iso for 7.3 x86. |
| 11:40.27 | riad6 | No matter what I do I can't get my second monitor to work. I tried to install the nonfree driver, I tried doing the Xorg -configure command, but nothing worked. |
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| 11:40.53 | Penix | haash: ah, thought you meant source package iso |
| 11:40.58 | Penix | haash: it's in pub/debian-cd |
| 11:41.02 | haash | Sorry, misconstrued my words, looking for the source = looking for the source url ;) |
| 11:41.24 | klys | rlad does the kernel have a framebuffer for your video device |
| 11:41.25 | babilen | haash: Ah, are you connected to the internet during the installation? Do you want to install a desktop environment? |
| 11:41.32 | haash | Ah, shit didn't even see that. Thanks a ton Penix. |
| 11:41.39 | haash | All good, thank you babilen/Penix |
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| 11:42.27 | miloszg | riad6: I was always using xrandr to send output on secong monitor |
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| 11:43.06 | riad6 | miloszg: what should I do then? |
| 11:43.15 | babilen | haash: Well, I wanted to provide the additional service of recommending the most suitable image for you. But then, fair enough. Generally speaking you find the images on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
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| 11:43.54 | babilen | haash: I would recommend to ask the bot about <install debian> <ig> <various cd1> <firmware image> <installer firmware> and <usb install> -- /msg dpkg ig |
| 11:44.11 | haash | Ah, my apologies. Sorry, the reason why I was looking for the image on local ISP is that I'm from australia -> we have really shitty download limits and my ISP mirrors are unlimited. |
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| 11:44.16 | miloszg | execute xrandr to identify output, then something like this xrandr --output HDMI1 --right-of LVDS1 --auto |
| 11:44.35 | Penix | babilen: it was just that internode keeps the iso images in a different directory to the regular package pool |
| 11:44.37 | babilen | haash: But you are still looking for an actual image you can use to install Debian? |
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| 11:45.04 | haash | Just attempting to deduce what image would be most sutible my kind sir. |
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| 11:45.41 | riad6 | miloszg: but in Fedora it worked out of the box seamlessly |
| 11:45.42 | babilen | Penix: yeah, I understand that now, but that was nowhere near obvious from the original question. :) |
| 11:45.53 | Penix | babilen: true |
| 11:46.02 | Penix | haash: most likely amd64 or i386 in pub/debian-cd/7.3.0/ |
| 11:46.13 | haash | My situation is that I want to test around with a debian box (used Arch in the past) however don't want to commit to it without getting some idea of the route I want to go with it. I'm looking to have a server running LAMP + some other daemons running out of a VirtualBox machine. |
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| 11:46.23 | riad6 | miloszg: I did # xrandr -q and got: "No protocol specified Can't open display :0.0" |
| 11:46.45 | Penix | haash: go with the netinst image |
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| 11:46.51 | haash | Would the best idea be to download the full iso files from http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/debian-cd/7.3.0/ and install with that |
| 11:46.52 | haash | ? |
| 11:47.13 | haash | Will the netinst image give me an option to download non-existing files through the internode mirror? |
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| 11:47.24 | Penix | haash: yes |
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| 11:47.29 | babilen | haash: I would recommend to read the factoids I pointed out earlier as doing so would give you a good overview of the different install images we provide. Let me know if you have specific questions. Either way I would recommend to use the netinstall image with firmware if you can download packages from the internet during the initial installation. |
| 11:47.42 | Penix | haash: you can install a base system, select optional stuff like X and desktop environments etc. |
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| 11:47.54 | Penix | haash: and it will be automatically configured to use the internode mirror after installing |
| 11:47.56 | haash | Thank you kind sirs for the help. Much appreciated. |
| 11:48.03 | haash | Will do :) |
| 11:48.10 | Penix | haash: just manually specify the internode url during installation. make sure it's pub/debian though |
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| 11:48.48 | babilen | haash: The images primarily differ in the selection of packages they already contain (which then don't have to be downloaded again), the desktop environment they are configured to install by default and if they contain firmware or not. |
| 11:49.31 | haash | Ah, okay. Just looking for more of a barebones installation, don't need GUI or anything. |
| 11:50.11 | haash | Am I looking for one of the images from http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/webboot/ or am I in the wrong place? |
| 11:50.13 | babilen | haash: Netinstall is fine in that case. Grab the one with firmware as that will come in handy if your hardware requires it. (and no harm if it doesn't) |
| 11:50.32 | babilen | takes a look at the internode mirror |
| 11:50.40 | Penix | haash: http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 11:50.53 | haash | Thanks :) |
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| 11:53.29 | babilen | haash: It doesn't seem to have the images with firmware, so you might have to download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/firmware.tar.gz if your hardware requires it. |
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| 11:54.01 | Penix | shouldn't be a problem if it's in a vm |
| 11:54.01 | haash | Okay, thanks babilen :) |
| 11:54.12 | haash | Yeah, hopefully not. :P |
| 11:54.41 | babilen | yeah, it shouldn't if its a VM :) |
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| 12:12.48 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 12:13.16 | ShapeShifter499 | is /etc/apt/preferences used anymore? |
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| 12:17.13 | riad6 | When I do a pkill X from another console I'm thrown back to desktop log in screen, wtf?! |
| 12:17.28 | babilen | ShapeShifter499: Yes, but you can, naturally, adopt the .d scheme in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ by creating files in there. Read apt_preferences(5) to learn about it. Please be advised that it is *very* unlikely that anything healthy will come from a pinning scheme and that there are probably better ways to achieve what you are trying to achieve. |
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| 12:18.33 | ShapeShifter499 | babilen, is it safe just to dump my current preferences file to a file inside of preferences.d ? |
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| 12:18.56 | ShapeShifter499 | I don't see why I couldn't |
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| 12:20.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | Odd, any reason there are so few document management systems in Debian repos? In fact none of the popular ones. I searched the packcage db, have I missed one? |
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| 12:21.51 | no_gravity | Good Morning! Do you guys use any logfile viewers or just cat/less/grep to view apache logfiles? |
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| 12:24.15 | ompaul | Eduard_Munteanu: such as what? |
| 12:24.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | ompaul: nuxeo, alfresco, logicaldoc, openkm... |
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| 12:25.31 | ompaul | interesting - I'd wager because nobody packaged them for debia |
| 12:25.33 | ompaul | n |
| 12:26.21 | ShapeShifter499 | does my apt pin look ok? None of it seems to be taking.... http://paste.debian.net/72827/ |
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| 12:29.45 | ompaul | ShapeShifter499: we don't support liquorix so I'll just say one thing - examine the fact that kernels come from the land of security as does your kernel selection and also check your sources.list file for doing it right also - remembering that it is a sid kernel you are trying to install |
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| 12:52.44 | war9407 | generating INFORMATIONAL_V1 request 1003117556 [ HASH N(AUTH_FAILED) ] <- getting this with Debian and openSWAN, any thoughts? |
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| 12:59.55 | macrobat | tux31: maybe the desktop environment you use provides a way? |
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| 13:03.41 | pyrobisqit | so apparently dovecot isn't logging failed auth attempts in /var/log/mail.log but instead in /var/log/auth.log, because it's using PAM |
| 13:03.47 | pyrobisqit | how do I set up fail2ban for this? |
| 13:04.47 | war9407 | setup a new definition for that file and then add the rules for it |
| 13:04.50 | war9407 | anyone here use oPenswan? |
| 13:04.52 | tux31 | gnome |
| 13:05.08 | pyrobisqit | war9407: Yeah, the problem is I can't seem to be able to figure out the regex |
| 13:05.22 | pyrobisqit | war9407: I'm using the auth.log file, with the sshd filter, but fail2ban doesn't seem to care |
| 13:06.17 | war9407 | pyrobisqit: you need to change the filter, also debian I believe has dovecot filters built in |
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| 13:07.07 | pyrobisqit | war9407: The dovecot filters built in are only valid if you're not using PAM, because I tried logging in with wrong usernames and passwords, and mail.log is empty |
| 13:07.14 | pyrobisqit | while auth.log has entries for TTY=dovecot |
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| 13:08.13 | war9407 | pyrobisqit: then add new regex to deal with those entries.. if there are IPs when logging that way |
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| 13:08.50 | pyrobisqit | war9407: There's actually a regex on the sshd filter, but pointing the dovecot jail to auth.log and using sshd filter doesn't seem to work |
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| 13:09.07 | samael | hello |
| 13:10.06 | war9407 | pyrobisqit: not sure why you keep referring to sshd, you need to make a new definition + data file altogether so it can capture what is going on |
| 13:10.25 | pengunix | So a HKP server uses normal HTTP / HTTPS but on a different port (default 11371)? Because when it is HTTP / HTTPS, Squid can be used for proxying. Can I proxy it, too? |
| 13:11.26 | samael | can't remove/purge/reinstall a package. also tried with dpkg --force-all, apt-get install --reinstall, output is still the same: http://paste.debian.net/72835/ . any hint? |
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| 13:13.46 | ompaul | ,v amule |
| 13:13.46 | judd | Package: amule on i386 -- squeeze: 2.2.6+debian0-8; wheezy: 2.3.1-9; jessie: 2.3.1-9+b1; sid: 2.3.1-9+b1; experimental: 2.3.1-10+b1 |
| 13:13.53 | pyrobisqit | war9407: because auth.log has a format the sshd filter recognizes |
| 13:13.56 | pyrobisqit | let me explain again |
| 13:13.58 | tux31 | i have install debian on computer have a onboard video card how khow if have the good video driver for the the best video performance of the onboard video card |
| 13:14.28 | pyrobisqit | the sshd filter has several regex, one of which is perfectly adequate for blocking failed dovecot logins, but it doesn't seem to be matching |
| 13:14.35 | pyrobisqit | how do I check the "filtered" output of a regex? |
| 13:14.39 | ompaul | samael: paste please, /etc/apt/sources.list thank you |
| 13:14.56 | war9407 | pyrobisqit: set DEBUG to 4 |
| 13:15.05 | pyrobisqit | war9407: where? |
| 13:15.26 | pengunix | So a HKP server uses normal HTTP / HTTPS but on a different port (default 11371)? Because when it is HTTP / HTTPS, Squid can be used for proxying. Can I proxy it, too? |
| 13:15.36 | war9407 | pyrobisqit: fail2ban.conf |
| 13:16.12 | samael | pyrobisqit: here it is http://paste.debian.net/72837/ |
| 13:16.57 | pyrobisqit | samael: excuse me? |
| 13:17.04 | pyrobisqit | war9407: Ok, I'll give this a try |
| 13:17.20 | war9407 | pyrobisqit: loglevel = 4, restart daemon |
| 13:17.27 | pyrobisqit | war9407: Yeah, I restarted |
| 13:17.40 | war9407 | pyrobisqit: have you ever setup VPN before? strongswan by chance? |
| 13:17.59 | war9407 | pyrobisqit: put your jail.conf and fail2ban.conf in pastebin and the definition file too |
| 13:18.08 | samael | pyrobisqit: sorry, not meant for you, just a typo |
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| 13:18.44 | ompaul | samael: you meant me, I think, eh, you should be aware that some things in here would clash with your straight forward squeeze and in fact you should only have used it to get codecs and then put a # back in front of it http://www.deb-multimedia.org |
| 13:19.22 | boodie | Hi: seasonal greetings to everyone! I sorted out the dvd problem, thanks to your help! Good. Everything seems to work, except for a little nuisance with gdm: if I don't choose KDE, WMaker or Gnome, the predefined desktop just freezes, and I have to knock it down ... |
| 13:20.13 | samael | ompaul: yep. in fact i also checked the origin repo for that package, which seems the main squeeze one |
| 13:20.15 | ompaul | samael: the error relates to different versions of things clashing, this is most likely the cause, I don't know what that x2go does but it also has libs |
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| 13:21.27 | samael | ompaul: i can remove the packages provided by those two repos, but will that resolve the problem then? |
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| 13:21.57 | ompaul | samael: so in essence something has been imported from one or both which clash with what you want to do, this is a problem, and frankly given it is squeeze and squeeze support is gone in Feb iirc I'm going to suggest you do a clean wheezy install or try hashing out both of those repos and doing a dist-upgrade (I don't hold out hope it will work but it might), to be safe back up your data, and then for good measure make sure you have more than one |
| 13:21.58 | ompaul | install media ready |
| 13:22.17 | pyrobisqit | war9407: http://fpaste.org/64679/82367821/ http://fpaste.org/64680/88236826/ http://fpaste.org/64681/38823686/ |
| 13:22.28 | pyrobisqit | these are the lines I want to block http://fpaste.org/64682/38823690/ |
| 13:23.00 | ompaul | samael: it should do it the packages were written correctly, but you did install stuff that you didn't know about :) that's what the newer packages in multimedia will do automatically |
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| 13:23.29 | pyrobisqit | I followed these instructions without any help http://www.fail2ban.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:Dovecot |
| 13:24.18 | samael | ompaul: ok i see. i was thinking about a wheezy update, maybe this is the time. |
| 13:24.24 | war9407 | pyrobisqit: when I used dovecot, I used the following: "dovecot.*auth.*failure.*rhost=<HOST>" |
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| 13:24.32 | samael | ompaul: thanks a lot |
| 13:25.00 | xand | the lines aren't like that |
| 13:25.11 | pyrobisqit | failregex = "dovecot.*auth.*failure.*rhost=<HOST>" |
| 13:25.15 | pyrobisqit | or without the quotes? |
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| 13:25.17 | war9407 | without the quotes |
| 13:25.20 | pyrobisqit | ok |
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| 13:25.27 | pyrobisqit | I'll try that |
| 13:25.30 | war9407 | pyrobisqit: ok |
| 13:25.38 | pengunix | So a HKP server uses normal HTTP / HTTPS but on a different port (default 11371)? Because when it is HTTP / HTTPS, Squid can be used for proxying. Can I proxy it, too? |
| 13:25.39 | ompaul | samael: here is something you might like to think about going forward |
| 13:25.42 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 13:25.43 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 13:25.57 | war9407 | pegunix, u also have maxretry = 5 -- so make sure to do at least 6 bad connection attempts from the same ip/method |
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| 13:29.53 | vlade_imir | samael: can you paste the result of "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/amule.postrm" |
| 13:29.54 | pyrobisqit | war9407: It worked! Thank you so much!!!! <3 |
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| 13:30.07 | pyrobisqit | now I'll set up postfix the same way :D |
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| 13:30.10 | war9407 | pyrobisqit: good, np. |
| 13:30.24 | tux31 | i have install debian on computer have a onboard video card how khow if have the good video driver for the the best video performance of the onboard video card |
| 13:30.25 | pyrobisqit | probably the problem was the excaped equal character, what kind of regex is dovecot using? POSIX ERE? |
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| 13:30.39 | pyrobisqit | or PCRE perl compatible? |
| 13:31.04 | war9407 | http://www.fail2ban.org/wiki/index.php/MANUAL_0_8 |
| 13:31.06 | war9407 | looks like regex |
| 13:31.53 | pyrobisqit | war9407: but AFAIK, there are several types of regex, or am I wrong? |
| 13:32.12 | war9407 | pyrobisqit: no, you are correct, just use std. regex and you'll be fine |
| 13:32.27 | pyrobisqit | war9407: Ok, thanks! |
| 13:34.25 | pyrobisqit | tux31: Here's a start! https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard |
| 13:34.30 | pyrobisqit | tux31: identify your card first |
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| 14:19.00 | evdo | i am confused, which one is the best and newbie friendly tools to prevent ssh brute-force attack? |
| 14:21.14 | rozie | evdo: disable root logging, change ssh port from 22 to smth else, use non-obvious passwords |
| 14:21.17 | rozie | that's it |
| 14:21.18 | jelly | evdo: there is none, but there are mitigation tools: using a nonstandard, random listener port; using iptables-based blacklisting like fail2ban |
| 14:21.32 | shingouz | !tell evdo about denyhosts |
| 14:21.51 | shingouz | evdo: also, check what dpkg told you |
| 14:21.52 | rozie | IMVHO denyhosts and fail2ban are overkill |
| 14:22.13 | wols_ | for "brute force attacks", fail2ban is the easiest thing to use |
| 14:22.19 | jelly | no need to disable root login if the passphrase is complex enough, but it can be useful for other reasons if you have multiple administrative personnel |
| 14:23.35 | jelly | fail2ban fails2work with today's highly distributed bruteforcing; the only sure thing to do is use complex enough passphrases or just key-based auth and disable keyboard interactive/password completely |
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| 14:23.50 | rozie | root login is often used in BF attacks |
| 14:24.10 | rozie | one of the few obvious valid accounts |
| 14:24.11 | jelly | evdo: using the nonstandard port helps to reduce the log lines tho |
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| 14:24.49 | jelly | rozie: and that's irrelevant if the passphrase is complex enough |
| 14:24.50 | pengunix | I want that apt-key uses the global http_proxy variable as most programs instead of using an argument for each command: --keyserver-options http-proxy=http://[...] |
| 14:25.03 | pengunix | Is this possible or is the argument the only way? |
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| 14:27.13 | rozie | cat /var/log/auth.log | grep "invalid user" | sed 's/.*user\s//g' | awk '{print $1}' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n |
| 14:27.23 | rozie | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.23 | rozie | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.23 | rozie | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.24 | rozie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:27.57 | rozie | looks like they like ts and ts3 |
| 14:28.00 | pengunix | lol |
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| 14:29.34 | wols_ | rozie: oracle, admin, nagios here. no ts at all |
| 14:30.19 | wols_ | oh, a "teamspeak3" is there |
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| 14:30.58 | evdo | is there any way to check if a ip from vps/vpn/proxy ? |
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| 14:31.43 | rozie | http://pastebin.com/Mv9VRke5 - full top 10 |
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| 14:32.06 | rozie | (SSH on standard port here) |
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| 14:38.00 | jelly | evdo: check http://efnetrbl.org/ ? |
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| 14:38.43 | pengunix | Ah, just found that when using sudo, the environment variables have either been preserved completely using the -E argument or by specifying some in the sudoers configuration file. |
| 14:38.47 | jelly | wonders whether there's a tcp_wrappers capable of rbl lookups |
| 14:38.58 | pengunix | This was the reason why http_proxy wasn't use when apt-key was executed using sudo. |
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| 14:39.59 | jelly | pengunix: huh, what's your use-case for apt-key itself contacting the internets? |
| 14:41.09 | pengunix | jelly: good point, but the puppetlabs-apt module (for puppet scm) does this that way |
| 14:41.24 | pengunix | jelly: this happens when I add a new repository to sources. |
| 14:41.55 | jelly | pengunix: apt-key manual in Debian suggests it does not have this ability at all |
| 14:42.39 | pengunix | jelly: I just used the command standalone over a proxy and it worked |
| 14:43.02 | pengunix | jelly: the manual isn't from linux.die.net? because the site got a quite outdated and incomplete man mirror. |
| 14:43.05 | jelly | well. There's apt-key adv stuff, but then again, one might do key fetching via gpg and apt-key separately |
| 14:43.19 | jelly | pengunix: I just man apt-key on wheezy |
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| 14:43.53 | pengunix | jelly: I used this: sudo -E apt-key adv --keyserver 'pgp.mit.edu' --recv-keys '55BE302B' |
| 14:44.00 | pengunix | jelly: better said, the puppet module did this |
| 14:44.04 | jelly | nod |
| 14:44.21 | pengunix | jelly: and when -E is used, it also honors the http_proxy env |
| 14:44.40 | jelly | be very careful running that from some random environment |
| 14:44.41 | pengunix | jelly: I don't understand why the module does this extra step, because I never needed this when adding the backports |
| 14:44.48 | pengunix | jelly: right |
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| 14:45.36 | jelly | pengunix: you could test whether apt-key honors proxy settings in apt.conf, if it does, you might avoid sudo -E |
| 14:45.39 | WilliamDotSI | mhm my grub is on the wrong hdd |
| 14:46.03 | pengunix | jelly: oh right |
| 14:46.07 | pengunix | jelly: apt.conf is there, too |
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| 14:47.07 | jelly | however since these are supposed to be passed to gpg as command line options, it's possible that doesn't work at all (file a wishlist bug to make it consistent! :-) |
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| 14:47.19 | pengunix | jelly: apparently it does not honor the apt.conf :( |
| 14:47.36 | pengunix | jelly: it honors the env http_proxy, but not Acquire::http::Proxy "http://[...]:3128/"; in apt.conf |
| 14:47.46 | pengunix | jelly: although apt-get does |
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| 14:48.07 | jelly | what I feared |
| 14:48.13 | jelly | oh well |
| 14:48.39 | martin-_-_ | i want to remove all files which are displayed with dpkg -l | grep netgear. How can this be done? |
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| 14:49.07 | evdo | jelly: i don't get it, what does that site do? sorry for being bewbie :( |
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| 14:49.49 | pengunix | jelly: damn inconsistencies |
| 14:50.11 | tremon | martin-_-_: dpkg -l doesn't display files |
| 14:50.22 | martin-_-_ | i mean packages |
| 14:50.41 | jelly | evdo: oh, if you're a newbie, you might not know what a RBL is. It's a way to remotely look up whether an IP is present in some database. The EFNET irc network keeps a database of IP addresses with open proxies and other stuff. |
| 14:51.00 | martin-_-_ | it should execute for each dpkg -l apt-get remove i |
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| 14:51.27 | martin-_-_ | and i stands for the packagename |
| 14:51.27 | WilliamDotSI | eh just did grub-install /dev/sda, solved |
| 14:51.44 | jelly | evdo: a system programmer would have to integrate RBL lookup functionality with ssh daemon somehow |
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| 14:52.46 | jelly | there are ready-made ways to do that for smtp (mail) and http (web) services; I don't know whether there's a way to do it for ssh. |
| 14:53.02 | tremon | martin-_-_: try aptitude purge ~nnetgear |
| 14:53.07 | pbn | afternoon, I'm still getting "chroot: failed to run command '/bin/bash': No such file or directory" trying to chroot a system from a rescue cd. I've already checked that both the systema and the rescue cd are running x86 64-bit and that the filesystem is mounted ext3 read/write... this is puzzling... any idea ? :) |
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| 14:54.27 | martin-_-_ | thanks tremon I will try this |
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| 14:55.54 | evdo | jelly: can you gave me some tutorial link i want so setup ras key based authentication on my vps |
| 14:55.55 | tremon | pbn: try a different shell, e.g. /bin/sh or even /bin/busybox sh. |
| 14:56.37 | jelly | evdo: hm. Read /msg dpkg ssh without password |
| 14:56.40 | pbn | tremon: tried many shells, they all fail |
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| 14:57.07 | pengunix | jelly: so rbl uses the dns protocol for another purpose it was designed originally for? |
| 14:57.08 | jelly | evdo: and I guess that other stuff mentioned in /msg dpkg ssh |
| 14:57.26 | jelly | pengunix: indeed. It's a clever trick |
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| 14:58.24 | pengunix | jelly: yes, and email stuff (domains, etc) are still somehow related, so it is not completely a new purpose |
| 14:58.27 | jelly | pengunix: but DNS is also a way to remotely look up database entries really |
| 14:58.47 | pengunix | ah |
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| 14:58.58 | pbn | ,I get "no such file or directory" everytime I try to chroot, but the files are there and commands like "file" can read them |
| 14:58.59 | tremon | pbn: can you paste the output of readelf -l $target/bin/bash ? |
| 14:58.59 | jelly | it's mostly a key:value database containing name<->address mappings |
| 14:58.59 | judd | No package named 'get' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 14:59.52 | wols_ | pbn: you lack a library. if you try to run a program where a library is missing, you get this error too |
| 15:00.00 | pbn | tremon: uhhh yes ... but it's a virtual machine I can't find out to cut/-and-paste text |
| 15:00.11 | wols_ | pbn: start with ldd <binary> |
| 15:00.13 | pbn | tremon: I'll get back later with the output |
| 15:00.41 | tremon | pbn: that's fine, I'm really only interested in the first few lines and the path to the program interpreter |
| 15:01.00 | tremon | wols_: sadly, ldd is a bash script :) |
| 15:02.47 | wols_ | tremon: you run ldd outside the chroot and then make sure the libs are all available inside |
| 15:02.59 | tremon | pbn: if all else fails, download and unpack the sash package. it contains a statically-linked shell |
| 15:03.57 | pengunix | How can I remove the key added with apt-key adv --keyserver 'pgp.mit.edu' --recv-keys '55BE302B' |
| 15:04.00 | tremon | wols_: that would work, but I don't know how to tell ldd to ignore /lib and /usr/lib when resolving libraries |
| 15:04.01 | pengunix | I want to test something |
| 15:04.14 | pengunix | I guess the '55BE302B' can be used as an id? |
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| 15:10.54 | dutchfish | pengunix, if an apt key got invalid, just apt-key update to get the current stage and remove invalidated keys |
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| 15:11.36 | dutchfish | pengunix, also read manpage ie apt-key [--keyring filename] {add filename | del keyid | export keyid | exportall | list | finger | adv | update | net-update | {-v | --version} | {-h | --help}} |
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| 15:16.13 | pengunix | thanks |
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| 15:27.25 | pengunix | If sources are defined multiple times (e.g. multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list and/or multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/), does apt deduplicate them first? |
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| 15:31.02 | blue1_ | hi how to activate shortcut keys in terminal in debian i m new in debian short cut key to ccopy paste zoom is not working |
| 15:31.30 | blue1_ | how to activate terminal short cut keys |
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| 15:34.01 | pengunix | blue1_: you are using X Window System? What desktop manager? Gnome / KDE? |
| 15:34.16 | pengunix | blue1_: normally right click = paste, but I am not sure |
| 15:35.17 | blue1_ | i got it |
| 15:35.36 | blue1_ | we hab to disable alt f and f10 shortcut :) |
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| 16:02.52 | evdo | do we need fail2ban over keybased authentication? |
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| 16:07.17 | jelly-home | it's just there to lower the logged attempts count |
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| 16:10.55 | qkzoo1978 | FiNally got sound working on my PC, but the audio channels are all wonky. Master volume does not lower 3d channel, which causes sound to play even when master Chan is muted. Any thoughts? |
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| 16:15.41 | pbn | ok guys I'm back, I've found out why /bin/bash won't start: I forgot to do ln -s lib64 lib |
| 16:16.05 | pbn | I had transferred data with tar and didn't include it, sorry, problem solved |
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| 16:17.10 | pbn | Now I'm trying grub-install hd0 |
| 16:17.27 | pbn | grub-install fails, and it seems there's no flag to make grub-install more verbose |
| 16:19.05 | alnr | when I ssh, TMPDIR is set to /tmp/user/1000. this gave me problem in tmux, because it had its session in /tmp/tmux-1000 so, TMPDIR must have been /tmp at some point. What governs what TMPDIR is set to? i see nothing in .bashrc etc |
| 16:21.00 | pbn | ok I've transfered all files from a physical machine to a virtual machine with tar. I can mount then chroot, but in the chroot when I type mount I still see entries such as /dev/cciss/cd0d0p5 ... |
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| 16:25.40 | ska | I'm setting up a new system with 7.X. I have 4 disks that will go into Raid 6. Is there any advantage to using GPT style partitions over traditional fdisk? |
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| 16:26.52 | ska | I've used GPT in the past and the results were good. I notice that the non-graphical installer does not have any GPT/sgdisk/gdisk ability too. |
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| 16:27.57 | ska | I'd appreciate any input or anecdotes about this style of install. |
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| 16:30.32 | babilen | ska: If the disk has a GPT label and you are booting with UEFI that will also be used by the installer (both graphical and ncurses) |
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| 16:31.54 | ska | babilen: They currently have no partitions on them. That suggests that I should use a tool to install a GTP label on the disks and start an install.. |
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| 16:32.52 | ska | And that would be recognized and used.. I like the idea of GPT partitions because they have some failsafe features.. |
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| 16:37.19 | babilen | ska: Yes, that is my understanding (but then I am not too intimately familiar with the exact logic used by the installer) |
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| 16:38.01 | ska | I think my server is not yet UEFI capable, so that seems to solve my immediate problem :) |
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| 16:38.46 | jelly-home | be happy. |
| 16:39.04 | ska | I am .. but surprise the the HP MicroServers are not UEFI.. |
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| 16:39.26 | jelly-home | our windows people have a lot of trouble installing 2008 and 2013 on proliants, windows detects uefi and doesn't care about bios compatibility |
| 16:39.30 | jelly-home | 2012* |
| 16:39.48 | jelly-home | otoh, debian just works |
| 16:40.00 | ska | This is a tiny server so it matters little.. |
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| 16:40.43 | ska | jelly-home: You mean UEFI partitions with Debian work on the Proliants? I'm looking at a page that says don't do it.: |
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| 16:41.05 | teraflops | ska: link? |
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| 16:41.16 | teraflops | pls |
| 16:41.29 | jelly-home | ska: I mean bios works, so we don't have to care about uefi at all for the time being |
| 16:41.30 | ska | http://tinyurl.com/nxthzwt |
| 16:41.38 | teraflops | thx |
| 16:41.53 | ska | I was tiny-fying it :) |
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| 16:42.34 | dontknow | iceweasel sometimes doesn't close and hang in background and eats cpu. do you have the same experience? |
| 16:42.48 | dontknow | in debian |
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| 16:43.09 | ska | dontknow: if plugin-container is damaged, yes. |
| 16:43.33 | dontknow | ska, hmm. so it may be related vlc npapi thing maybe? |
| 16:43.43 | ska | dontknow: iceweasel is full of problems like that.. |
| 16:44.04 | ska | dontknow: yea. turn off all extensions you can first.. work up from that. |
| 16:44.23 | tremon | ska: that page is misinformed and/or incomplete, grub boots fine from a gpt-formatted disk in bios mode |
| 16:45.27 | tremon | however you need a (128kB) partition of type "bios boot" (ef02 in gdisk) for grub to install its stage1 files in |
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| 16:46.27 | wols_ | only 128kB? |
| 16:46.47 | tremon | as much as you want to give it. it needs to more than that |
| 16:48.08 | tremon | with mbr, grub installs its stage1 code in the 62 unusable sectors between the partition table and the start of the first partition |
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| 16:49.25 | jelly-home | or 2047 sectors recently |
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| 16:50.45 | alex_ | test |
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| 16:51.34 | ska | tremon: Cool.. Thanks.. I remember you always need a Boot Bios partition for GPT booting. |
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| 16:52.28 | ska | tremon: do you usually setup those types with GPT? |
| 16:52.37 | ska | those type of debian servers that is. |
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| 16:53.21 | tremon | I always use gpt partitioning nowadays, yes |
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| 16:54.17 | ska | tremon: Do you need to set anything in the BIOS settings for GPT ? |
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| 16:54.47 | tremon | no, I'm not sure how grub installs itself, but in the bios I just select the disk to boot from |
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| 16:56.56 | ska | I wish the non-graphical installer had sgdisk so I could clone the disks. |
| 16:57.46 | tremon | I used to have my own static copy of gdisk for exactly that purpose |
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| 16:58.23 | tremon | there's always dd. You need the first 32kB iirc |
| 16:58.44 | ska | I can always boot from a gpt-enabled rescue image, which is what i usually do. |
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| 16:59.52 | ska | tremon: do you find that GPT partitions are less sensitive to partition boundary problems than MBR style? |
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| 17:00.46 | tremon | partition boundary problems? |
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| 17:01.46 | ska | tremon: fdisk and friends sometimes have problems setting up identically sized partitions using different types of disks. |
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| 17:04.00 | zinx | ska: just make sure your partitions are aligned to 1MiB boundaries :/ |
| 17:04.12 | tremon | Didn't think that would matter today. Those problems are ancient, they stem from different c/h/s disk layouts. |
| 17:04.15 | ska | I sometimes see "partition not ending on cylinder boundary" type of warnings. |
| 17:04.25 | tremon | Anyway, gpt uses lba addressing only, so no second guessing necessary |
| 17:04.26 | ska | ok.. |
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| 17:06.54 | ska | Thanks for the input. |
| 17:08.07 | tremon | yw. best of luck installing |
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| 17:21.28 | Kobaz | soooo. i'm on wheezy and i would like to update pulseaudio, the problem is there's a massive dependency problem when i try and use pulseaudio from wheezy-backports, there's no compatible versions of gnome and many other packages... what's the best way to deal with that? |
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| 17:23.26 | Kobaz | (Because pulseaudio keeps complaining: PulseAudio is streaming with an excessive latency. Sound may be lost or quality degraded. |
| 17:23.28 | Kobaz | To address that issue, upgrade the PulseAudio daemon to version 3.0, or disable the alternate sampling rate in its configuration.) |
| 17:24.56 | babilen | Kobaz: The one in wheezy-backport should™ work fine with the packages in wheezy. You might want to provide additional information (e.g. exact commands + output) on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 17:26.32 | Kobaz | sure |
| 17:27.22 | Kobaz | http://paste.debian.net/72867/ |
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| 17:29.32 | Kobaz | it wants to wipe out all kinds of fun stuff |
| 17:29.35 | tremon | is irked by software errors that say "yeah, this is a known problem. Won't be fixed in this version, upgrade plz" |
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| 17:30.40 | tremon | Kobaz: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install ... |
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| 17:30.55 | babilen | Kobaz: May I see the output of "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install pulseaudio" and the first couple of solutions of "aptitude -t wheezy-backports install pulseaudio" ? |
| 17:31.17 | tremon | yeah, what babilen says |
| 17:31.31 | Kobaz | oo |
| 17:31.40 | Kobaz | i never used -t |
| 17:31.42 | Kobaz | that makes sense |
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| 17:31.57 | babilen | Kobaz: You might want to consider running a "apt-get --purge autoremove" (or without the "--purge") soonish too. |
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| 17:35.45 | Kobaz | working on going back to where i was |
| 17:36.06 | Kobaz | i was playing with stuff and installed pulse from jessie and that works nicely |
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| 17:38.13 | Kobaz | i would like to show you the outputs but heh, i was experimenting |
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| 17:38.29 | babilen | Kobaz: Please never mix stable with anything but backports. We really neither support nor recommend that setup. |
| 17:38.48 | Kobaz | yeah, i know |
| 17:38.55 | Kobaz | i'm okay with that |
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| 17:39.20 | Kobaz | i've worked with enough mixed systems that i can fix pretty much any problem i run into |
| 17:39.24 | LordDeath | I am trying to do a dist-upgrade to wheezy and I am getting this: Conf libapt-pkg4.12:i386 broken |
| 17:39.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell LordDeath -about bat |
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| 17:40.14 | Kobaz | but i'll add those commands to my notes for running into future problems, that'll be helpful |
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| 17:45.58 | Kuba | is it possible to do an unattended reboot on luks encrypted machine? |
| 17:46.14 | Kobaz | what's a luks |
| 17:46.31 | Kuba | LUKS + dm-crypt * |
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| 17:46.52 | Kobaz | do you need physical access to boot the machine? ie: enter a passphrase or something? |
| 17:46.57 | Kuba | yes |
| 17:46.58 | tremon | only if you have an automated unlock procedure |
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| 17:47.19 | Kuba | automated unlock procedure for encrypted LVM? |
| 17:47.31 | LordDeath | this is my apt-get dist-upgrade -s: http://paste.debian.net/72869/ |
| 17:48.07 | LordDeath | apt-cache policy: http://paste.debian.net/72870/ |
| 17:48.08 | jelly-home | Kuba: that would defeat the purpose |
| 17:48.11 | Kobaz | Kuba: i've done lots of lvm, just not encrypted lvm... but it's all tool-based... you can surely script it |
| 17:48.53 | Kobaz | i would say, build a duplicate of what you have on your server in a virtual machine locally, and then write your automount script and then get it working and deploy it on your server |
| 17:49.02 | LordDeath | and apt-cache policy libapt-pkg4.12: http://paste.debian.net/72871/ |
| 17:49.02 | jelly-home | Kuba: consider this: what is the reason for you using luks in the first place? |
| 17:49.03 | Kuba | jelly-home: no if it is *reboot* |
| 17:49.05 | Kobaz | jelly-home: it's probably for a one-time thing |
| 17:49.15 | Kuba | yes, one time thing |
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| 17:49.44 | Kuba | like one-time initramfs with embedded passwor |
| 17:49.46 | Kobaz | Kuba: is it mounted from an initrd or something? |
| 17:49.55 | Kuba | sorry, gotta go |
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| 17:50.02 | tremon | Kuba: yes, you can configure your system to unlock from a file on a usb disk (debian passdev script). You could theoretically leave that key in the machine |
| 17:50.03 | Kobaz | hah, well we can't help you if you leave |
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| 17:50.46 | tremon | Kuba: there are, of course, many reasons while you shouldn't do or want something like that |
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| 17:51.12 | Kobaz | this is why all my remotely managed servers have ipmi |
| 17:51.23 | jelly-home | doing remote ssh unlock from a trusted system might be a somewhat more safe approach |
| 17:51.26 | LordDeath | it seems like there is no problem with this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=707730 |
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| 17:51.43 | Kobaz | i could imagine lots of reasons to want to be able to reboot on demand and have it auto come up |
| 17:51.48 | Kobaz | maintenance/updates being one |
| 17:51.59 | Kobaz | and then you delete the key once you've rebooted |
| 17:52.15 | sean___ | eb http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports(-sloppy) main # <-- is this the proper line to add backports to sources.list? |
| 17:52.28 | jelly-home | perhaps, but the key has to be somewhere else -- keeping it at the machine even for a short time is silly |
| 17:53.07 | jelly-home | sean___: you have to replace "YOURMIRROR.debian.org" with one of the backports mirrors |
| 17:54.02 | jelly-home | sean___: see http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ |
| 17:54.15 | sean___ | sorry I posted the wrong line |
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| 17:54.31 | sean___ | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports(-sloppy) main |
| 17:54.47 | sean___ | ^is that correct? Even when I change it to another mirror I get the same error |
| 17:54.53 | LordDeath | alright, time for mit first dist-upgrade :) |
| 17:55.00 | Kobaz | jelly-home: if having the key on the server for a few minutes posts a huge security risk, then i think you'll need to rethink the existing security on the box |
| 17:55.06 | jelly-home | sean___: is ftp.us.debian.org listed on the page linked? |
| 17:55.38 | Kobaz | if someone can get to the key while its on there, then you've royally fscked up your policy |
| 17:56.28 | jelly-home | sean___: backports' mirrors are NOT the same as normal mirrors. This is not clear enough on the web pages. |
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| 17:57.05 | sean___ | jelly-home: thanks, you're right. However, using one of those mirrors isn't working either |
| 17:57.08 | sean___ | W: Failed to fetch http://noodle.portalus.net/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports(-sloppy)/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 17:57.20 | Kobaz | why are you using (-sloppy) |
| 17:57.34 | jelly-home | because the web pages are silly |
| 17:57.53 | sean___ | I'll try deleting that |
| 17:58.21 | jelly-home | sean___: use squeeze-backports if that's what you need. use "squeeze-backports-sloppy" if you're hunting for a package in that set |
| 17:58.25 | sean___ | Thanks! That worked. Now to solve the rest of my problem |
| 17:58.40 | tremon | Kobaz: I would argue the other way around. There is no secure way to store an unlock key for disk encryption outside of the encrypted space on the same machine, it doesn't matter if you put it there for one minute or one decade. If you have a usecase that dictates doing so, you need to rethink that use case |
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| 17:59.03 | jelly-home | Kobaz: I've reported users get confused by this a week ago |
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| 18:00.18 | Kobaz | tremon: i agree that it's not best-practice whatsoever, but in terms of risk it's quite low if well planned |
| 18:00.42 | Kobaz | tremon: but if you want to be ultra-secure you wouldn't be doing it that way anyway |
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| 18:01.09 | Kobaz | so it's a calculated risk of course and it really depends on how much you trust your environment |
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| 18:01.35 | sean___ | I might be back to ask more questions later |
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| 18:05.35 | lazers | Anyvody here want to hold my hand for 5 minutes? I can't get wireless to work on this Thinkpad T60 I bought for thirty bucks. I did saw the ESSID with iwlist scan yesterday. Using wicd right now and it displayed "no wireless networks found." |
| 18:06.05 | lazers | I'm not using a full-blown desktop environment and would like to keep this light. |
| 18:06.12 | Kobaz | lazers: if you're using iw* tools manually, make sure NetworkManager is dead |
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| 18:06.25 | Kobaz | it's going to hijack your wireless and make your life miserable |
| 18:06.48 | jelly-home | lazers: does it have a hardware kill switch? |
| 18:07.24 | regreddit | apt tells me: "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" but the list is a bunch of gnome libraries and apps that I use frequently. why does apt want me to autoremove them and how can i make it stop? |
| 18:07.29 | lazers | jelly-home: Yes. It's on. I see "FBI Surveillance Van" (lolwat, not mine), "Mura" -- My wifi, 3 non-named SSID, ALTHOFF, etc. |
| 18:07.46 | lazers | Using "sudo iwlist wlan0 scan | grep -i essid" |
| 18:07.46 | jelly-home | good, good |
| 18:08.24 | jelly-home | lazers: please ignore the first one. There is absolutely no reason to worry about it. |
| 18:08.55 | xand | lazers: make sure you have the firmware you might need. |
| 18:09.10 | babilen | lazers: I wouldn't be too surprised if it is a wicd specific issue and would recommend to use network-manager with nm-applet. If you really don't want that check your wicd configuration and make sure to select the right interface (and so on) |
| 18:09.14 | xand | (look in dmesg) |
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| 18:09.21 | lazers | Debian does not have simple wireless profile/network connection in CLI (yet?). What should I do? I guess I can use wicd. Should I configure something in /etc/ to allow wicd manange wireless? |
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| 18:09.29 | jelly-home | the card would likely not work at all without firmware |
| 18:09.32 | lazers | xand: Firmware iwlifi installed. |
| 18:09.45 | sean___ | Hi, I'm trying to get wireless to work on this computer but it doesn't even recognize the wireless card I don't think. I have an atheros 9485. |
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| 18:10.31 | lazers | firmware-iwlwifi is already installed... for (from dmesg) iwl3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG Network Connection driver for Linux, in-tree:s |
| 18:10.32 | LordDeath | should I keep my old version of /etc/kernel/postrm.d/initramfs-tools ? |
| 18:10.46 | jelly-home | lazers: zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz |
| 18:10.47 | babilen | lazers: As with network-manager you also have to make sure that the interface in question is not mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces if you want wicd to manage it (IIRC, haven't used wicd ever since all upstream developers gave up on it some years ago) |
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| 18:11.46 | lazers | babilen: The guy told me there is no wireless (but it probably had WinXp on it and full of crap). I'll try network-manager. (lot of packages!) |
| 18:11.48 | jelly-home | lazers: if you want to avoid GUI tools, use the /etc/network/interfaces wifi-related syntax extensions listed there |
| 18:12.24 | jelly-home | mine was something like |
| 18:12.26 | jelly-home | #iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 18:12.26 | jelly-home | # wpa-conf /home/jelly/.wpa/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 18:12.35 | jelly-home | back when I'd used a thinkpad Z60m |
| 18:13.11 | pete88 | i cannot hear any sound in iceweasel using flashplugin-nonfree but i can use "hda ati sb, alc887-vd analog default audio device" using "alsa audio output" as the outmodule in VLC. Where should i look next to fix my iceweasel problem, im thinking there is a config for flashplugin or iceweasel where i need to define a default device? |
| 18:13.11 | lazers | jelly-home: Thanks for zless stuffs. I'm going to read it. I can do this first before network-manager. |
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| 18:18.10 | LordDeath | didn't expect that my first dist-upgrade will be so exciting :) |
| 18:19.08 | jhutchins | LordDeath: Not something hyou usually need to worry about. |
| 18:19.36 | LordDeath | sure, but this time it is on my VPS mail server |
| 18:19.41 | LordDeath | not on a local installation |
| 18:19.51 | pete88 | anyone know where to define sound settings for iceweasel? |
| 18:19.54 | sean___ | How do I find out of my system even *sees* my wireless chipset? |
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| 18:20.31 | Blue1 | pete88: I have firefox and chrome installed |
| 18:20.32 | pete88 | sean try lspci or lsusb |
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| 18:20.52 | Blue1 | sean___: lspci | grep wlan |
| 18:21.08 | sean___ | Blue1: no output |
| 18:21.10 | LordDeath | right now I am writing down all changed config files which have been updateted in the wheezy packages |
| 18:21.23 | sean___ | so how do I go about getting linux to see it? |
| 18:21.26 | LordDeath | and I will look into them later after the upgrade |
| 18:22.01 | mtn | pete88: don't think there are any. it sounds like a flash problem, not a browser problem. |
| 18:22.32 | mtn | pete88: or a general sound settings problem |
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| 18:22.57 | Blue1 | sean___: lspci | grep -i wlan |
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| 18:23.49 | sean___ | Blue1: there's no mention at all in lspci of anything about wireless. |
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| 18:24.11 | pete88 | sean what do you think your wireless card is, does it plug in with usb? |
| 18:24.14 | pete88 | is it a laptop? |
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| 18:25.25 | clod | I've just installed debian from a 7.1 image I had laying around, everything was fine in the live desktop, now that it's installed xorg fails to start (kms seems to be not there either judging by tty resolution) with a drm failed to load error |
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| 18:25.30 | sean___ | pete88: it is an atheros 9485. IT is not USB. |
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| 18:26.26 | pete88 | you will likely have to do apt-get install firmware-atheros |
| 18:26.57 | clod | I literally just installed and rebooted |
| 18:27.00 | jelly-home | sean___: what's the actual pci-id of the device? lspci -nn will tell you |
| 18:27.28 | sean___ | 07:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. Device [168c:0032] (rev 01 <-- I don't know if that's it, jelly-home |
| 18:27.30 | pete88 | lspci should display network controllers/ethernet controllers |
| 18:27.38 | pete88 | so look for those |
| 18:27.54 | pete88 | won't always say wlan |
| 18:28.03 | pete88 | could do lspci | grep atheros |
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| 18:28.08 | sean___ | Hold on, I'll pastebin my entire lspci |
| 18:28.11 | pete88 | k |
| 18:28.18 | amartin | hello. I have 2 Debian machines running in VirtualBox. I have set the IP from ifconfig command, and in VB "Internal Network" and Promiscous Mode "Allow All" but I cannot ping each other. Did anyone had similar problem and know the solution? |
| 18:28.40 | clod | how is it even possible :( |
| 18:28.49 | pete88 | amartin what are their IP addresses? |
| 18:29.16 | sean___ | http://pastebin.com/s6ZUA4R2 |
| 18:29.29 | amartin | pete88, I have set 192.168.1.1 on first and 192.168.1.2 on second |
| 18:30.22 | pete88 | sean do lspci -s 07:00.0 -vv |
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| 18:30.59 | mtn | sean___: https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 18:31.10 | Blue1 | sean___: this may help: http://pkill-9.com/stabilizing-atheros-ar9485-ath9k-connection-linux-wheezy/ |
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| 18:31.31 | sean___ | http://pastebin.com/J5aDAHW6 pete88 |
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| 18:31.48 | sean___ | mtn: I couldn't figure that page out and according to that I believe the driver is already installed? It's so ambiguous to me. |
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| 18:32.36 | sean___ | Blue1: I tried it but I'm on squeeze so I get different results and stuff |
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| 18:33.40 | mtn | sean___: I may have missed it, but did you install firmware-atheros? |
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| 18:34.03 | Blue1 | sean___: the information in my post would work on virtually any distro of linux |
| 18:34.33 | Blue1 | the wireless or wlan or whatever may change but that's it |
| 18:34.56 | Blue1 | let me see if I can find your post |
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| 18:36.19 | darklight_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.23 | jelly-home | judd: pciid 168c:0032 |
| 18:36.25 | judd | [168c:0032] is 'AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'ath9k' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0032 http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 18:36.53 | sean___ | mtn: installed it. I'm restarting now, be back soon. |
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| 18:36.55 | Blue1 | right if you follow the guide I gave, it takes you through all the debugging steps |
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| 18:37.22 | Blue1 | okay guess we are done with sean |
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| 18:39.37 | sean___ | mtn: installed it, no effect evident yet |
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| 18:41.02 | mtn | sean___: are you using network manager? |
| 18:41.02 | pete88 | try ifconfig -A |
| 18:41.12 | pete88 | try ifup wlan0 |
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| 18:41.19 | pete88 | or ifup ath0 |
| 18:41.36 | pete88 | do you have wireless tools installed? |
| 18:41.41 | pete88 | type iwconfig to see |
| 18:41.47 | sean___ | the hell is ifconfig? |
| 18:42.02 | sean___ | neither of them exist |
| 18:42.02 | ompaul | sean___: bad question, better one is how do I use ifconfig |
| 18:42.03 | pete88 | its like ipconfig in windows |
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| 18:42.18 | sean___ | ompaul: meant to ask "where" the hel is ifconfig |
| 18:42.22 | sean___ | as in what package. |
| 18:42.26 | sean___ | I'll find it |
| 18:42.27 | ompaul | sean___: the answer you want is, su - ; then after that ifconfig |
| 18:42.53 | Okee | Is anyone using a SQL based address book? Supposedly there is one by the free software foundation, but I can't find it. I don't find any of the other address books satisfactory for importing data. It seems like it is all over the place with CSV. |
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| 18:43.58 | ompaul | sean___: also please note that if you run ifconfig -A as root and get no wlan anything or ath anything that is obviously neither ethN or lo0 then you might have a hardware switch that is turned to off |
| 18:44.11 | ompaul | as in not a hot key but a physical switch |
| 18:45.05 | sean___ | ompaul: you sure you dont' mean ifconfig -a? |
| 18:45.21 | ompaul | sean___: maybe I do and I was watching someone else and turned off my own brain |
| 18:45.41 | sean___ | http://pastebin.com/E67tBEAT Here are the outputs. |
| 18:45.55 | ompaul | sean___: better to use paste.debian.net because no adverts |
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| 18:46.45 | sean___ | ompaul: sorry about that, just pure habit. |
| 18:47.13 | ompaul | sean___: so no wlan showing - suggest you check hardware for switch |
| 18:47.28 | sean___ | what kind of switch? |
| 18:47.50 | ska | tremon: i have /boot on a Raid1. Is there a way I can get the installer to install Grub on each disk of the R1 array? |
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| 18:48.13 | ompaul | sean___: something about 2mm square - either on the RHS of thinkpads and the front of Toshs but others I have no clue |
| 18:48.35 | ompaul | sean___: all this presupposes that you have the drivers loaded |
| 18:49.03 | ompaul | sean___: did you apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 18:49.08 | oabsix | when will the next paperback version of the Debian Administrator's Handbook release? |
| 18:49.09 | sean___ | re? RHS? Tosh? |
| 18:49.19 | ompaul | sean___: right hand side toshiba |
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| 18:49.35 | sean___ | ompaul: I think you meant to talk to someone else. |
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| 18:49.49 | ompaul | sean___: eh no, I haven't bother to scoll back |
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| 18:50.01 | arthurfiggis | sean___: when in doubt look around for the "typical" wireless logo, a circle with a bunch of waves extending out above it...if there's a wireless switch on your laptop or whatnot, it will almost certainly have that logo nearby :) |
| 18:50.07 | jelly-home | ska: the installer ought to ask you wheere you want grub to get installed, at some point -- you can choose eg. /dev/sda and /dev/sdb at that point |
| 18:50.28 | sean___ | arthurfiggis: oh you mean the button, normally one of the F keys? |
| 18:50.34 | sean___ | That's red, been red, and I can't turn it green. |
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| 18:50.36 | ompaul | sean___: no, a physical switch |
| 18:50.39 | LordDeath | instead of "/etc/init.d/apache2 reload" I now have to do "service apache2 reload"? |
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| 18:50.58 | sean___ | ompaul: doesn't exist. |
| 18:51.05 | ompaul | sean___: what model is that? |
| 18:51.09 | ompaul | and make |
| 18:51.15 | sean___ | It's an HP 2000 Notebook PC |
| 18:51.20 | jhutchins | oabsix: As soon as you print it. |
| 18:51.39 | arthurfiggis | sean___: sometimes it is on one of the special function+f(whatever) buttons, but usually it's a physical switch...i'll look that notebook up and see if i can find it |
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| 18:51.40 | sean___ | ALso, wireless-tools is installed. |
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| 18:51.59 | sean___ | arthurfiggis: Yeah, it's there. Pressing it does nothing |
| 18:52.04 | oabsix | jhutchins: I mean the official paperback versions of lulu.com |
| 18:52.07 | jhutchins | sean___: Is there anything in lspci -nn that is either unidentified or a network device? |
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| 18:52.30 | sean___ | 07:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. Device [168c:0032] (rev 01) |
| 18:52.36 | darkblue_b | hi all - what is it about `less` that knows how to list a .deb file ? |
| 18:52.46 | ompaul | sean___: check this out http://omachapuzhaonline.blogspot.ie/2012/04/wireless-switches-of-various-laptop.html |
| 18:52.53 | arthurfiggis | sean___: hmm, i see...it's possible that your wireless chipset needs non-free firmware to work and that's not usually included by default, i had to install firmware-ralink from apt to get my wireless working |
| 18:52.56 | ompaul | sean___: the photo ... anything like that on the side |
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| 18:53.21 | ompaul | arthurfiggis: it's an atk9 |
| 18:53.22 | jhutchins | ,pciid 168c:0032 |
| 18:53.23 | judd | [168c:0032] is 'AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'ath9k' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0032 http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 18:53.41 | arthurfiggis | ompaul: hmm...that's unusual then, that should work out of the box :( |
| 18:53.55 | sean___ | There is no switch! |
| 18:54.00 | LordDeath | where is my /etc/apache2/httpd.conf? |
| 18:54.02 | sean___ | Also, it works just fine on windows. |
| 18:54.17 | metaphysician | sean___: on my laptop I have a dedicated blue colored Fn key and the wifi logo is on F2 key. SO I press Fn + F2 to enable/disable wifi. |
| 18:54.17 | ompaul | sean___: one last time, have you installed wireless-tools <<<<< |
| 18:54.17 | sean___ | Yes, I've done that numerous times. |
| 18:54.21 | darkblue_b | .. are there other common ar files on the system ? |
| 18:54.23 | sean___ | ompaul: yes, I said I have. |
| 18:54.27 | jhutchins | sean___: Have you tried rfkill? |
| 18:54.39 | ompaul | sean___: and you cold restarted the box since you did all this? |
| 18:54.51 | ska | grub-install /dev/sd[a-d] |
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| 18:55.36 | sean___ | jhutchins: no, don't know what that is. ompaul: I've restarted numerous times. |
| 18:55.40 | ompaul | sean___: just my personal setup with wireless is always wicd not network manager |
| 18:55.44 | sean___ | I suppose they weren't "cold" restarts |
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| 18:56.21 | jhutchins | sean___: I'm not familiar with it, but rfkill is used to enable/disable wireless radios. |
| 18:56.22 | ompaul | sean___: and if that's not working and you did the stuff on the debian wifi page and you did at least one cold restart and there are no switches on the side of the box then I'm personally stumpped |
| 18:56.42 | mtn | sean___: you really should use rfkill at this point |
| 18:56.50 | darkblue_b | Ubuntu |
| 18:57.00 | jhutchins | mtn: Can you help him out with the syntax? |
| 18:57.03 | ompaul | darkblue_b: not here four channels over on the left |
| 18:57.18 | darkblue_b | haha - I knew someone would answer if I said that! |
| 18:57.42 | mtn | jhutchins: sorry, nerver used it, just seen others solve some problems that way. |
| 18:57.42 | sean___ | mtn: just "rfkill"? |
| 18:57.45 | ompaul | darkblue_b: nothing |
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| 18:57.57 | mtn | sean___: that is the name of the package and the program |
| 18:58.18 | ompaul | darkblue_b: dpkg -c package_file.deb | less |
| 18:58.34 | sean___ | mtn: yes, and I don't understand the man page. |
| 18:58.38 | ompaul | darkblue_b: the smarts are elsewhere it just offering scrolling |
| 18:58.46 | sean___ | What exactly do you want me to do with rfkill? |
| 18:59.00 | ompaul | sean___: the equivelent of rfkill is shut the box off completely and start again |
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| 18:59.30 | mtn | sean___: rfkill list should show you some usefull info |
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| 18:59.50 | mtn | sean___: I shoulda used quotes: "rfkill list" |
| 19:00.36 | sean___ | What exactly do you want me to do with ing |
| 19:00.41 | sean___ | uggg. Sorry. |
| 19:00.48 | sean___ | rfkill list does nothing. |
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| 19:01.22 | LordDeath | there is something wrong with debian |
| 19:01.35 | jhutchins | ompaul: Sometimes software-switched wifi will retain the off state through a reboot. Often in fact. |
| 19:01.36 | mtn | sean___: it should show your wireless status. don't know why it doesn't |
| 19:01.37 | LordDeath | I just dist-upgraded and I don't know what to do now |
| 19:01.41 | LordDeath | everything just works :D |
| 19:01.56 | ompaul | jhutchins: oh, not come across that before. |
| 19:02.02 | abrotman | LordDeath: fix bugs, have a nice day |
| 19:02.08 | sean___ | I'm rebooting. |
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| 19:02.49 | ompaul | golly gosh a lot of stuff changed in sid today |
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| 19:03.35 | hassen_ | duh |
| 19:03.39 | jhutchins | Do I hear the pings and rattles of shrapnel hitting the ground? |
| 19:03.59 | hassen_ | i hope that i won't get annother damn black screen in the next OS start-up after installing this YUMI app |
| 19:04.05 | hassen_ | *package |
| 19:04.23 | ompaul | jhutchins: you do, a few ruby gems have not arrived to make my day |
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| 19:07.06 | hassen_ | man yumi |
| 19:07.09 | hassen_ | lmao |
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| 19:07.49 | sean___ | I...I just don't know anymore. |
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| 19:08.27 | sean___ | do you suppose upgrading my version of debian would help? |
| 19:08.28 | mtn | sean___: what happened when you ran "rfkill list"? |
| 19:08.39 | sean___ | mtn: nothing. No output at all. |
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| 19:08.52 | mtn | sean___: back to a prompt? did you run it as root? |
| 19:09.01 | sean___ | as root, yes. Back to the prompt. |
| 19:09.12 | sean___ | no stdout or stderr. |
| 19:09.15 | mtn | sean___: that means it sees no wireless devices at all |
| 19:09.26 | abrotman | or not switches? |
| 19:09.27 | sean___ | That's always been the problem. |
| 19:09.28 | abrotman | no |
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| 19:10.23 | abrotman | is there a hardware switch or soft switch ? |
| 19:10.38 | jhutchins | sean___: just for fun, rfkill help |
| 19:10.45 | sean___ | there's a wifi button on F12 |
| 19:10.56 | abrotman | sean___: hit that, then run rfkill again ? |
| 19:11.00 | sean___ | I pressed it numerous times, holding Fn and not holding Fn |
| 19:11.29 | ompaul | sean___: try the following steps rfkill list |
| 19:11.33 | jhutchins | sean___: Function keys only work if there's a driver that recognizes them. Not always true. |
| 19:11.53 | ompaul | I wonder if the driver is actually installed, but that is just me |
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| 19:12.11 | abrotman | jhutchins: not always true |
| 19:12.17 | abrotman | some of them are bios triggers |
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| 19:13.32 | sean___ | ompaul: how would you test that? |
| 19:13.45 | ompaul | sean___: lsmod and paste all that |
| 19:14.52 | sean___ | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/72887/ |
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| 19:16.25 | ompaul | sean___: it is not loaded, lsmod | grep ath should give you lots of results |
| 19:16.42 | ompaul | sean___: that means it is not installed |
| 19:16.45 | sean___ | So am I supposed to load it? |
| 19:16.52 | sean___ | it's supposed to be installed by default I thought |
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| 19:18.45 | ompaul | sean___: do this please as root: apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-atheros |
| 19:20.32 | sean___ | ompaul: I already had it. |
| 19:20.49 | sean___ | Would upgrading to wheezy help? |
| 19:21.19 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:22.09 | sean___ | abrotman: why do you think that? |
| 19:23.24 | abrotman | newer kernel, newer firmware |
| 19:23.41 | abrotman | not sure how much firemware those ath9k cards need though |
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| 19:24.31 | wols_ | abrotman: normally not any, except one usb model |
| 19:25.43 | abrotman | did anyone compare the lspci and modinfo output? |
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| 19:27.42 | sean___ | can |
| 19:27.54 | sean___ | can i get a second opinion about whether upgrading is a good idea? |
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| 19:28.53 | abrotman | sean___: additionally, squeeze has no more security support 4 months form now |
| 19:29.08 | sean___ | But in terms of wifi support? |
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| 19:32.42 | tree_ | hi what is the best yoututbe and other video downloader in debian?? |
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| 19:32.55 | wols_ | sean___: there is no reason not to upgrade to wheezy right now. unless you have some shitty 3rd party software, like a php website or such |
| 19:33.04 | wols_ | tree_: use youtube-dl ? |
| 19:33.22 | tree_ | its not installing says no candidate |
| 19:33.45 | wols_ | ,v youtube-dl |
| 19:33.46 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2013.12.04-1; sid: 2013.12.04-1 |
| 19:33.50 | tree_ | wols its not installing leaves no candidate message |
| 19:33.51 | sean___ | wols_: I installed debian today. |
| 19:34.03 | wols_ | sean___: and you run which debian version? |
| 19:34.08 | sean___ | wols_: I'm asking if I should upgrade to fix the wifi. |
| 19:34.34 | abrotman | asks again if anyone has looked at modinfo to see if it supports this device at all |
| 19:34.41 | sean___ | abrotman: hwo do i? |
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| 19:35.00 | abrotman | sean___: is the device PCI ? |
| 19:35.20 | sean___ | I don't know |
| 19:35.34 | sean___ | actually i got it hold on |
| 19:35.49 | sean___ | http://pastebin.com/YKmeV83C |
| 19:36.13 | ompaul | ,v firmware-atheros |
| 19:36.14 | judd | Package: firmware-atheros on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.40~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.40; sid/non-free: 0.40 |
| 19:36.44 | grok0 | just my 2c: ath9 support was absolute shit 2 years ago. random hard system lockups etc. i had to compile the module manually and disable suspend. it improved trmendously sinc so i was brave enough to use the stock kernel (from sid). so the newer the better. just read changelogs for the kernel and look up ath9 |
| 19:37.33 | tree_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:39.06 | abrotman | sean___: we only need the one line from lspci -nn .. is it there or not ? |
| 19:39.37 | sean___ | abrotman: I've linke dit like 30 times so far. |
| 19:39.38 | sean___ | 07:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. Device [168c:0032] (rev 01) |
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| 19:40.06 | sean___ | grok0: would upgrading to wheezy help with it you think? |
| 19:40.12 | abrotman | sean___: I'm sitting in an airport tethered to 2G, cut me some slack :) |
| 19:40.37 | abrotman | sean___: your device 0032, isn't even in the modinfo list ... |
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| 19:41.09 | sean___ | abrotman: it's okay |
| 19:41.24 | sean___ | I have no idea what to do. |
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| 19:41.34 | tree_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.35 | abrotman | sean___: upgrade to wheezy |
| 19:42.01 | abrotman | sean___: the stock kernel in wheezy supports 0032 |
| 19:42.02 | grok0 | sean___, 3,2 kernel is not in shape to handle ath9. you need smth like 3.10 to use it comfortably |
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| 19:42.12 | Hassen | DUUUUUUUUH |
| 19:42.24 | abrotman | grok0: funny, lots of people use it ... |
| 19:42.39 | us_0gb | How do I get a list of packages that were explicitly installed, not just installed as dependencies? |
| 19:42.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell us_0gb -about aptitude clone |
| 19:42.57 | abrotman | dpkg: tell us_0gb about installed |
| 19:43.00 | abrotman | eh .. yes, the first one is better :) |
| 19:43.13 | Hassen | this is the god damn 4th black screen's start-up fail,i even removed the last package that i installed before that in the recovery mode's terminal,but yet can't make it |
| 19:43.13 | sean___ | grok0: so what the hell do I do? |
| 19:43.25 | abrotman | sean___: upgrade to wwheezy, don't listen to grok0 |
| 19:43.34 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sean___ about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 19:45.07 | sean___ | abrotman: why shouldn't I listen to him? |
| 19:45.36 | abrotman | because he's not currect |
| 19:45.37 | abrotman | correct |
| 19:46.07 | abrotman | how many other people told you that the kernel you're trying to use wouldn't support your card? |
| 19:46.21 | sean___ | abrotman: one person told me that, and one person told me otherwise. |
| 19:46.33 | sean___ | I don't know who to believe. |
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| 19:46.59 | abrotman | Okay, your current kerneel definitely won't support that device. So it's upgrade to wheezy, or get a new wifi card |
| 19:47.03 | grok0 | abrotman, if they backported patches to 3.2 now, it might. but back then it was a disaster. |
| 19:47.14 | abrotman | grok0: he's not even on wheezy |
| 19:47.14 | Hassen | sean___, don't believe anyone,switch to another linux distro |
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| 19:47.24 | abrotman | had enough of that crap |
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| 19:47.37 | sean___ | what linux distro would support my wireless chipset? |
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| 19:47.46 | sean___ | without any issues? |
| 19:47.51 | abrotman | sean___: wheezy supports your device |
| 19:47.57 | micah__ | Presumably he was trolling, sean___ |
| 19:48.00 | sean___ | Okay, please, second opinion from anyone? |
| 19:48.07 | abrotman | he was .. hassen has been a pain lately |
| 19:48.39 | ompaul | sean___: abrotman is someone whose advice I trust |
| 19:48.40 | abrotman | most of the time anyway :) |
| 19:48.44 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.45 | sean___ | it's nothing personal, I would just like second opinions instead of wasting my time, ya know? |
| 19:48.46 | ompaul | hides |
| 19:49.07 | ompaul | sean___: I'd go with the upgrade |
| 19:49.16 | abrotman | sean___: ask another person here running wheezy to run /sbin/modinfo ath9k .. it will show your deice |
| 19:49.19 | abrotman | device |
| 19:49.42 | sean___ | ...does everyone have ath9k? |
| 19:49.48 | ompaul | no but does anyone |
| 19:49.53 | abrotman | if they run a stock kernel,, the module exists |
| 19:49.59 | darkblue_b | dpkg -c .. thats the listing.. all you do is say `less pkg.deb` and you get that .. that wasnt my question at all.. I was asking, does anyone know where the smarts are, such that `less` can list the contents of a .deb |
| 19:49.59 | dpkg | darkblue_b: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:50.00 | grok0 | sean___, upgrade to wheezy is a must; then if you feel adventurous install the newer kernel |
| 19:50.26 | darkblue_b | dpkg FPM ? |
| 19:50.28 | dpkg | darkblue_b: wish i knew |
| 19:50.31 | darkblue_b | me too! |
| 19:50.35 | abrotman | darkblue_b: please don't torture the bot |
| 19:50.35 | ompaul | !bot |
| 19:50.35 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 19:50.43 | darkblue_b | heh |
| 19:50.53 | abrotman | grok0: and there's a 3.11 in wheez-backports if necessary |
| 19:51.17 | ompaul | sean___: bottom line either wheezy will work out of the box, or a simple backport within wheezy will |
| 19:51.23 | us_0gb | Okay, it looks like "aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v'" might be what I need. Thank you very much, babilen and abrotman! |
| 19:51.31 | ompaul | sean___: my money is on out of the box |
| 19:51.32 | sean___ | all right, will upgrade them |
| 19:51.38 | sean___ | then* |
| 19:51.39 | sean___ | thanks. |
| 19:51.48 | sean___ | (also are these logs public?) |
| 19:51.48 | grok0 | yes, 3.11 is in good shape viz ath9. |
| 19:52.02 | abrotman | grok0: it truly depends on your actual device |
| 19:52.06 | abrotman | sean___: yes |
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| 19:52.28 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sean___ about irclog |
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| 19:53.09 | sean___ | thanks. will attempt to upgrade now |
| 19:53.13 | Okee | I am having trouble getting my computer to print files from LibreOffice, or from the browser. This is the first time I have attempted to do this with Debian stable. Previously I had no trouble with linuxmint or Windows XP. |
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| 19:59.20 | ompaul | Okee: a few questions, what version of debian, what kind of printer, and how is it connected to your computer, and what have you done to try and make it work? |
| 19:59.28 | abrotman | Okee: you might want to give more details |
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| 20:01.24 | lunba | i installed Gnome 3. Why doesn't it have the 'Activities' menu? |
| 20:02.22 | amartin | does anyone knows why between 2 computers when I set IPv6 I cannot ping the IP but I can ping the link-local? |
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| 20:02.39 | Dagger2 | did you configure the v6 correctly on both sides? |
| 20:04.00 | amartin | Dagger2: just set the IPs and link-local, and I'm setting the same IP's as in one training for IPv6 |
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| 20:06.13 | amartin | Dagger2: so yes, it's good. And I can ping the link-local and I can ping IPv4 when I set it up, but not v6.. |
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| 20:07.01 | abrotman | lunba: are you in compatibilty mode? |
| 20:07.14 | Dagger2 | amartin: mind pastebinning `ifconfig` and `ip -6 r` so I can see what you did? |
| 20:07.22 | lunba | abrotman: what's that? |
| 20:07.42 | lunba | i installed the package for the nonfree radeon driver but nothing happened |
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| 20:09.03 | amartin | Dagger2: It's in VM with no X on "internal network" with only communication between them. Hmm, where can I put screenshots? |
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| 20:09.29 | Dagger2 | imgur.com works |
| 20:09.44 | amartin | ok |
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| 20:15.13 | amartin | Dagger2: imgur.com/vqbO93B |
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| 20:20.18 | Dagger2 | amartin: that looks like it should work, assuming you're pinging between 2001:db8:6783:12::{1,2} |
| 20:20.57 | amartin | Dagger2: yes, it should, but it's not. What's more strange, I can ping the local-link :D |
| 20:21.16 | Dagger2 | checked firewalls on either side? |
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| 20:21.53 | Dagger2 | also you have a link-local added with /128... it should be /64 (or y'know, just use the automatic ones rather than adding your own), but I don't think that'll affect anything |
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| 20:23.16 | amartin | Dagger2: I have something. On the first machine, I cannot even ping myself. On the second I can.. |
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| 20:29.45 | amartin | Dagger2: I have 3 VMs in total, I can communicate 2 with 3 and back, and 1 with 3 and back. But not 1 with 2 |
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| 20:31.10 | ska | jelly-home: THanks.. I'm coming up to that part soon. |
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| 20:31.44 | Dagger2 | amartin: try tcpdumping on both ends and seeing what shows up |
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| 20:35.43 | lunba | I tried fixing things and now more things are broekn |
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| 20:36.29 | wepy | hello |
| 20:36.59 | wepy | I'm trying to get some software working on debian-6.0.8, but it requires eglibc >=2.15 |
| 20:37.24 | abrotman | what software is that ? |
| 20:37.29 | wepy | I don't think I need to install that version of libc in /lib though, it might suffice to put it right in the software's folder since it's looking locally for libraries.. |
| 20:37.38 | wepy | it's the Source Dedicated Server (srcds) |
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| 20:38.24 | wepy | is there an easy way I can just grab the .so built for debian? |
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| 20:40.03 | abrotman | wepy: do you understand what libc6 is ? |
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| 20:40.48 | wepy | somewhat.. |
| 20:40.55 | abrotman | !glibc |
| 20:40.55 | dpkg | The GNU C Library (glibc) also known as libc6 in the Linux universe. glibc is the most fundamental piece of software on your machine, basically every piece of software you have installed other than your kernel depends on it, so upgrading it is essentially upgrading your entire system/debian release/version. http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/ . See also <eglibc>. |
| 20:41.40 | wepy | does anyone have libc >= 2.15 for debian-amd64? |
| 20:42.05 | wepy | perhaps a debian-7 box.. |
| 20:42.09 | abrotman | lots of people, you're ignoring hte problem with trying to do what you're trying to do |
| 20:42.16 | wols_ | wepy: you cannot use steam on debian stable |
| 20:42.19 | wepy | i am? |
| 20:42.19 | abrotman | you can't just slam on anoother libc6 and carry on |
| 20:42.34 | wepy | it's not steam.. the dedicated server |
| 20:42.35 | wepy | abrotman: why not? |
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| 20:42.46 | jelly-home | wepy: it's a core OS component |
| 20:42.48 | abrotman | wepy: it's the most basic library on the system .. if you replace it, things will break |
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| 20:43.06 | babilen | wepy: libc6 2.17 has been packaged in Debian and is available in the testing/unstable repositories. There is, however, no way to install that on squeeze or wheezy without breaking your system. Also tracking a development release such as testing is not really recommended. |
| 20:43.11 | wepy | no no, i don't want to replace libc on the system |
| 20:43.20 | wepy | i just want to give srcds a copy of its own libc |
| 20:43.44 | wepy | would this just break stuff? |
| 20:43.44 | abrotman | is that all ? |
| 20:43.50 | wepy | yea |
| 20:44.20 | jelly-home | wepy: use debootstrap or one of the tolls wrapping it to create a debian testing chroot, and run your software in there |
| 20:44.21 | babilen | wepy: The best way would probably be to either run srcds in a chroot/vm or to actually find a version that doesn't require that libc6. |
| 20:44.21 | jelly-home | tools* |
| 20:44.21 | babilen | wepy: Can't you compile that software against your libc6? |
| 20:44.22 | wepy | no |
| 20:44.24 | jelly-home | wepy: is this srcds thing closed or is there source to compile? |
| 20:44.26 | wepy | it's closed-source crap |
| 20:44.35 | wepy | it's like steam.. |
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| 20:44.46 | jelly-home | ... built for ubuntu! |
| 20:45.01 | cyclick | is xulrunner 32bit required for using Firefox? I can't find it in the repos ( I get this error: libXrender.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ) |
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| 20:45.08 | wepy | you use a tool called steamCMD to download srcds, then you built your mod's so's, then drop it into the srcds folder and run it.. |
| 20:45.09 | babilen | Seems to be pretty closely related to steam |
| 20:45.19 | cyclick | I have debian 64bit |
| 20:45.20 | jelly-home | (might as well do an ubuntu chroot, at least you'll be able to keep that somewhat updated) |
| 20:45.22 | wepy | close, but dedicated servers don't need steam |
| 20:45.32 | babilen | cyclick: Debian ships iceweasel not firefox, you might want to ask in a mozilla channel for FF support. |
| 20:45.33 | wepy | what libc comes with debian-7? |
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| 20:45.39 | wepy | i think i had this running on 7... |
| 20:45.42 | babilen | wepy: 2.13 |
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| 20:45.53 | wepy | hrm |
| 20:45.55 | cyclick | babilen: ok, thanks |
| 20:46.38 | wepy | so do you guys think it might work if I give srcds its own copy of libc (they're changing LD_* to look for libs in srcds's own folder).. |
| 20:46.39 | babilen | cyclick: fwiw, Iceweasel *is* Firefox and you could just run that. See http://mozilla.debian.net for instructions on how to install newer version. IW has the benefit of actually being integrated into the system. All the best! |
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| 20:47.00 | wepy | i mean.. what if they link against some other system library that's linked against the system's version of libc.. would that even happen? |
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| 20:48.43 | wepy | btw, I guess when Valve says "We like Ubuntu" they mean, our software will only work on specific versions of Ubuntu :) |
| 20:48.50 | cyclick | babilen: iceweasel 17 is missing webrtc, I guess I could install the newer version found in unstable and still keep the testing version of Debian? |
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| 20:49.32 | cyclick | babilen: thanks for your help |
| 20:49.44 | babilen | cyclick: Did you take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net ? |
| 20:49.52 | cyclick | looking now |
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| 20:50.08 | wepy | can you run Chromium on Debian? |
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| 20:50.31 | jelly-home | 24esr ought to appear soonish in backports or even wheezy, now that 17esr is not getting more updates |
| 20:50.44 | zinx | wepy: only if you can do complex things like type apt-get install chromium |
| 20:50.44 | cyclick | wepy: yes |
| 20:50.45 | babilen | cyclick: Oh, you are tracking testing. In that case, sure, you can pull from unstable all you want (and deem appropriate) -- See "/msg dpkg tum" for an overview of a suitable setup. Please note that testing and unstable are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (cf. /topic) |
| 20:51.09 | wepy | the source for chromium was like 700 megs last time i looked :) |
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| 20:53.53 | pbn | hello, how to "fix" a non booting machine running Debian 6.0... it's GRUB 1.98 and it seems the only thing to do is to run "grub-install hd0" ... but it fails... |
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| 20:54.35 | babilen | pbn: Shouldn't that be "grub-install /dev/sdX" with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sda ? |
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| 20:54.44 | babilen | pbn: How exactly does it fail? |
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| 20:55.24 | pbn | babilen: well it's /dev/vda in this case |
| 20:56.05 | babilen | pbn: fair enough |
| 20:56.54 | wepy | pbn: is grub failing, or is the kernel failing, or is some userland stuff failing? |
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| 20:57.40 | babilen | was under the impression that it was "working" with /dev/vda and that we resolved the issue as pbn didn't provide any additional information about the actual problem |
| 20:57.46 | pbn | I get "/usr/sbin/grub-probe:error: cannot find a device pour /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?." |
| 20:58.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell pbn -about fixmbr |
| 20:58.14 | abrotman | is he in a chroot? |
| 20:58.26 | pbn | but I had written down I had to type a command... wait... mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/target/dev |
| 20:58.37 | edju | looking to install wheezy on a late 2008 macbook. the debian wiki says to install refit, but it's been unmaintained since 2010. I've found refind, but it's very complex. i see that debian offers grub-efi. would that be sufficient to dual boot with osx? |
| 20:58.42 | babilen | pbn: Please perform *all* steps in the factoid our bot just sent you and paste all commands and their output to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 20:59.03 | wepy | edju: grub efi sux, but it might work. |
| 20:59.32 | wepy | edju: and 2008 is old now, so it very likely will work |
| 20:59.33 | pbn | babilen: thank you, gonna read that |
| 20:59.37 | babilen | wepy: How exactly does it "sux" ? What do you mean by that technically and what could be done to alleviate those problems? |
| 21:00.03 | ompaul | ,v sux |
| 21:00.03 | judd | Package: sux on i386 -- jessie: 1.0.1-6; sid: 1.0.1-6; squeeze: 1.0.1-6; wheezy: 1.0.1-6 |
| 21:00.13 | wepy | grub's a steaming pile of shit to begin with, and when you try to build it with EFI support, it's even worse. |
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| 21:00.35 | babilen | ompaul: I don't think that wepy claim is that grub-efi is the same as sux (as in the switch user x) |
| 21:00.39 | wepy | i think it took me a few days to get grub-1.99's EFI support to work with a macbook.. |
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| 21:00.52 | wepy | but i had to compile it myself |
| 21:01.09 | wepy | maybe nowadays it's better? perhaps the debian developers went through all of that pain and sorted it out? |
| 21:01.11 | ompaul | babilen: true |
| 21:01.19 | wepy | also, you might need to recompile your kernel to support native EFI |
| 21:01.23 | babilen | wepy: Please, could we stick to actual technical details rather than broad statements such as "pile of shit" -- grub is working fine for a lot of people. |
| 21:01.24 | wepy | (including video options) |
| 21:01.57 | wepy | also--I heard that you don't need grub anymore on EFI platforms--doesn't the Linux kernel compile as a PE-32/EFI binary now? |
| 21:02.07 | wepy | there's some stub code or something.. |
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| 21:02.59 | wepy | babilen: grub is huge and "modular", something that doesn't belong in a boot loader |
| 21:03.26 | edju | ok. forget grub-efi. does refit still work? |
| 21:03.29 | wepy | where did lilo go |
| 21:03.42 | ompaul | it couldn't do GPT |
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| 21:04.09 | wepy | hehe |
| 21:04.12 | wepy | GPT's the easy part.. |
| 21:04.20 | ozcanesen | hey for example i have libtest library and i want to deny a executable to access that library, is it possible? |
| 21:04.25 | ompaul | wepy: you have the source, see you here in a year with a solution |
| 21:04.39 | abrotman | ozcanesen: remove it from the system |
| 21:04.56 | ozcanesen | abrotman, but other programs also using it |
| 21:05.02 | abrotman | ... |
| 21:05.23 | wepy | i like how with BSD distros, they can just install directly to the MBR |
| 21:05.30 | wepy | no boot-loader bloat.. |
| 21:05.34 | wepy | well, less of it |
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| 21:06.13 | wepy | btw, did you guys notice that with Debian-7 i386 and amd64, the first time you boot the machines after installing, you get a notification about Gnome failing to load properly? |
| 21:06.24 | abrotman | worked fine for me |
| 21:06.26 | wepy | This doesn't appear to have any consequences, but it doesn't happen in Debian-6 |
| 21:06.43 | abrotman | probably just you |
| 21:06.54 | wepy | i did 2 fresh installs in VM's yesterday.. |
| 21:06.58 | wepy | no customization |
| 21:07.06 | abrotman | Worked fine for me .. must bev you |
| 21:07.20 | wepy | could be some issue with VirtualBox i guess |
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| 21:07.52 | teraflops | blaming grub and using vbox... uhm |
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| 21:09.29 | wepy | ? |
| 21:09.43 | wepy | not about to drop $$ on vmware for a game server dev project.. |
| 21:10.40 | teraflops | vmware ... uhm |
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| 21:11.24 | wepy | hey how do you get apt to install stuff like vim and git in debian-6 installed from CD1-iso? do I have to modify sources.lst? |
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| 21:12.32 | dvs | !tell wepy about squeeze sources.list |
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| 21:13.29 | Jazayri | Want to capture traffics from the computer of my brother ! Wireshark ? |
| 21:13.35 | wepy | i just don't understand enough--debian 7's apt worked out of the box.. |
| 21:14.00 | dvs | wepy: probably because you used the netinstall iso |
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| 21:15.14 | wepy | thanks |
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| 21:15.41 | babilen | wepy: It is quite likely that you simply forgot to configure a mirror during the initial installation. |
| 21:15.46 | wepy | sources.list had stuff for the cdrom, but i guess those pacakges weren't on the cdrom |
| 21:15.54 | wepy | ah--mirror config did fail |
| 21:17.00 | wepy | anyone else miss ifconfig? |
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| 21:17.18 | galex-713 | Hello |
| 21:17.33 | galex-713 | Does apache2, by default, in Debian, read .htaccess? |
| 21:17.54 | dondelelcaro | galex-713: yes. |
| 21:17.54 | abrotman | to allow overrides? |
| 21:18.02 | galex-713 | Because I’m trying to install GNU Social (ie. statusnet) and the .htaccess rewrite rules aren’t applied |
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| 21:18.21 | dondelelcaro | galex-713: RewriteRules are not allowed in .htaccess files by default. |
| 21:18.21 | wepy | gnu social.. hehe what's that |
| 21:18.37 | dondelelcaro | galex-713: you'll have to enable them for specific directories in your configuration for that site. |
| 21:18.48 | galex-713 | How? |
| 21:19.23 | galex-713 | dondelelcaro: How to enable it? What directive? |
| 21:19.23 | wepy | ah neat.. like blogging software.. |
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| 21:19.58 | dondelelcaro | galex-713: by enabling AllowOverride. see http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#allowoverride for details |
| 21:19.58 | galex-713 | Oh… |
| 21:20.24 | galex-713 | Removing the “AllowOverride None” it works… |
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| 21:21.18 | abrotman | not sure you'd want to allow all overrides to anyone .. but it's your box |
| 21:21.30 | dondelelcaro | you shouldn't remove AllowOverride None, you should specifically allow overrides in that specific subdirectory. |
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| 21:22.59 | gregtom6 | hy all |
| 21:23.09 | galex-713 | Ok it works :) |
| 21:23.20 | galex-713 | Ah? |
| 21:23.25 | gregtom6 | I tried to install Debian on virtualbox, but the installer freezes after I selected graphical install. Why? |
| 21:23.46 | galex-713 | dondelelcaro: I did that only for this VirtualHost, so only for the directory social/ |
| 21:23.55 | galex-713 | (eg. Where GNU Social is installed) |
| 21:24.20 | babilen | gregtom6: Does it freeze when you use the text installer too? |
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| 21:25.32 | gregtom6 | babilen: I didn't used text installer yet |
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| 21:29.33 | LordDeath | suddenly I get this error from google: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126?p=ipv6_authentication_error&rd=1#authentication |
| 21:29.54 | LordDeath | so I need a reverse dns to my ipv6 address to send mails to gmail |
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| 21:30.13 | abrotman | yes, that's normal |
| 21:30.28 | LordDeath | is it just a coincidence that this started after upgrading to wheezy? |
| 21:30.28 | abrotman | wait .. /me reads again |
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| 21:30.45 | LordDeath | I am using postfix as mta |
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| 21:31.03 | abrotman | LordDeath: are you sending via gmail, or to gmail ? |
| 21:31.09 | LordDeath | to gmail |
| 21:31.24 | abrotman | yes, get a PTR record, not related to your upgrade |
| 21:31.29 | LordDeath | ok |
| 21:31.39 | abrotman | LordDeath: they're not hte only IPv6 place you won't be able to send |
| 21:31.55 | abrotman | waits for Dagger2 :) |
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| 21:32.12 | LordDeath | I just updated my reverse dns entry to include my ipv6 address |
| 21:32.20 | LordDeath | now I have to wait :) |
| 21:32.25 | abrotman | probably update your SPF record also |
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| 21:32.51 | Dagger2 | but I don't know anything about sending mail to Gmail :P |
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| 21:33.16 | abrotman | Dagger2: I meant the IPv6 part! |
| 21:34.09 | abrotman | LordDeath: what's the TTL on your DNS records? |
| 21:34.27 | LordDeath | no idea :) |
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| 21:34.51 | lokdwe | hello |
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| 21:36.26 | lokdwe | so i tried getting rid of gnome and it deleted network-manager with it but sadly i can not get to ethernet connection. i am currently trying to install wicd and its dependencies with dpkg but it tells me some of the files are not configured yet |
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| 21:37.07 | lokdwe | idk why i didnt choose to not have the gnome bundle package it is annoying. |
| 21:37.10 | abrotman | LordDeath: there was some notion orgininally that they wouldn't require a PTR record, but spammers killedt hat quickly |
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| 21:38.28 | abrotman | they != "google specifically" |
| 21:38.29 | lokdwe | oh and here is the kicker. i though well i could put the install disk in again and install network-manager manually buuuut i used a usb and i know i can add it as a source but the name of the usb has spaces in it and im not sure how to ignore spaces within the sources.list using nano |
| 21:38.53 | lokdwe | thought* |
| 21:39.07 | LordDeath | my stupid VPS hoster who also manages my domain only allows me to set the a-record, aaaa-record and the mx-record :( |
| 21:39.12 | LordDeath | and dns-reverse |
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| 21:40.14 | lokdwe | anyone able to help? *sits patiently* |
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| 21:40.31 | nassaba | lokdwe: configure your ethernet manually |
| 21:40.36 | abrotman | LordDeath: that sounds like enough to me |
| 21:41.08 | nassaba | lokdwe: like dhclient eth0, or edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:41.08 | lokdwe | nassaba: i cant get to a ethernet connection sadly. router is not in my room and this is a desktop using an alfa wifi card |
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| 21:41.39 | lokdwe | my lack of foresight will be my undoing |
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| 21:43.08 | trampel | lokdwe: i once fought wifi connectivity issues inside my house for a month, then got essentially a cantenna and have had rock solid connections (like now) ever-since (your-mileage-*will*-vary) |
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| 21:43.41 | nassaba | lokdwe: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 21:44.05 | nassaba | lokdwe: you can also configure your wifi manually |
| 21:45.27 | lokdwe | trampel: this alfa card is sick sadly my router is a lot less so. |
| 21:45.36 | lokdwe | nassaba: thanks will have a go at that |
| 21:46.13 | Kuba | tremon, Kobaz, jelly-home: well, I've seen something like early-ssh or dropbear starting in intramfs |
| 21:46.32 | lokdwe | do i need wpasupplicant for this nassaba ? |
| 21:46.46 | nassaba | lokdwe: yes |
| 21:46.54 | lokdwe | i have the wpa package but not wpasupplicant |
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| 21:47.00 | Silmarilion | I am trying to install debian to an existing luks partition, the problem is that cryptsetup command is not found. What to do? |
| 21:47.00 | nassaba | tell me, you also removed it :) |
| 21:47.42 | nassaba | Silmarilion: apt-get install cryptsetup |
| 21:47.50 | lokdwe | i only typed apt-get remove gnome. why did it have to remove all that other stuff. oh well. |
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| 21:51.06 | Silmarilion | hmm how can I do that if the distro is not installed and its not live disk? |
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| 21:51.31 | Kuba | what is it then? |
| 21:51.33 | Kuba | :) |
| 21:51.59 | nassaba | Silmarilion: sorry? whats the point? |
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| 21:53.27 | lokdwe | any ideas? |
| 21:53.45 | abrotman | lokdwe: about which thing ? |
| 21:53.54 | Silmarilion | so I have 7.0.1 dvd and trying to install it on my laptop which has luks partitions already set, I just want to open the luks partition and point mount points to already existiing partitions |
| 21:54.03 | trampel | lokdwe: the stupid-fun bit was: "oh i don't want gnome, i want xfce" [purges gnome] gnome takes its Networkmanager and goes home. so... there's no network, except by manually bringing it up, to get the xfce. |
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| 21:54.21 | nassaba | lokdwe: have you tried to edit your network interfaces? |
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| 21:54.48 | nassaba | Silmarilion: you have to mount it on the terminal |
| 21:55.01 | Kuba | Silmarilion: instller has option to load cryptsetup udeb |
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| 21:55.27 | lokdwe | nassaba: what do you mean? |
| 21:55.28 | Kuba | you have to select it |
| 21:55.41 | xh | what do you guys use as partition table on disk, msdos or gpt to install debian? |
| 21:56.16 | Silmarilion | Il try again but Im sure I checked cryptsetup in the expert install |
| 21:56.36 | nassaba | lokdwe: have you read, and tried, https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse? |
| 21:57.02 | LordDeath | reverse dns upgrade is now working and google is receiving my mails :) |
| 21:57.11 | Kuba | Silmarilion: if you did select I'm pretty sure cryptsetup would be avaialble in the console; moreover I'd guess installer would automatically recognise LUKS |
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| 21:57.56 | abrotman | LordDeath: that was easy ... |
| 21:58.22 | Kuba | xh: I'd go for GPT, but personally my BIOS did not like it ;p |
| 21:58.27 | LordDeath | abrotman: and still better than this workaround: http://blog.hqcodeshop.fi/archives/122-Fixing-Googles-new-IPv6-mail-policy-with-Postfix.html |
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| 22:00.47 | abrotman | LordDeath: that's idiotic :) |
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| 22:03.07 | Corin | Ok, so, I just updated from Wheezy to Jessie and amazingly, almost nothing broke. However, neither mplayer2 or mpv will play certain videos. |
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| 22:04.59 | mns | Corin: probably some drivers are now missing because they are in different packages then before ? |
| 22:05.11 | mns | just a guess. |
| 22:05.15 | Corin | I have no clue. |
| 22:05.38 | Corin | It's just some videos. Others work fine. |
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| 22:06.26 | Corin | Most are H.264/AAC mkvs, so it's not a condec thing I don't think. |
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| 22:07.38 | mns | no clue in that case. dont use mplayer or mpv |
| 22:07.59 | Corin | Uh... Those are the best options, typically. |
| 22:08.07 | topi` | just did an upgrade on apache2, and now for some rason my virtualhosts have disappeared except the 000-default one |
| 22:08.20 | Corin | Nothing else renders ASS subtitles correctly. |
| 22:08.36 | topi` | I did a apache2ctl -S to see the definitions, and yes they're missing .. I wonder what's going on. |
| 22:08.50 | mns | I dont watch much movies on my system so no need for them :) |
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| 22:09.07 | topi` | did they drop the debian standard scheme of putting virtualhost definitions into sites-available and then symlinks to sites-enabled? |
| 22:09.55 | mns | topi`: check in /usr/share/doc/apache2 and see what the README or changelog says. |
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| 22:11.20 | topi` | maybe it doesn't like the fact that the conf files are root-owned... dunno |
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| 22:11.47 | Kuba | check the codecs on broken videos? |
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| 22:12.34 | Corin | Kuba: Read up. I said the ones that do and don't work are both H.264/AAC. |
| 22:13.00 | Corin | Except for a couple, which are H.264/WavPack. |
| 22:13.06 | Kuba | Corin: sry, I did not scroll down |
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| 22:27.53 | Danic | Hi there. Can I force `ps` to show the username instead of the UID if the username has > 8 chars? |
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| 22:29.39 | ironm | !backports |
| 22:29.40 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 22:32.24 | pero | i muted my sound in a manner that i can't recall and am having a hard time getting it back since it shows as not muted in audio mixer. testing/xfce. any ideas? |
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| 22:33.31 | wepy | hey |
| 22:33.42 | wepy | is it possible to use debootstrap to setup an ubuntu chroot on my debian box? |
| 22:34.00 | babilen | pero: Try to unmute it with "m" in "alsamixer" |
| 22:34.06 | dondelelcaro | wepy: yes. |
| 22:34.18 | pero | babilen: it's not muted in alsamixer... |
| 22:35.05 | pero | any ideas where else it could be? |
| 22:35.11 | babilen | pero: Okay, check levels in "pavucontrol" |
| 22:35.17 | dondelelcaro | wepy: you can see the suites and variants that it supports by using dpkg -L debootstrap; |
| 22:35.22 | mtn | pero: did you blacklilst a module? |
| 22:35.37 | wepy | ok cool |
| 22:35.42 | wepy | this might solve some problems :) |
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| 22:35.52 | pero | nah, i just wanted to mute it temprarily but somehow forgot how i did it and its now driving me nuts |
| 22:37.01 | pero | i use vlc...but nothing in there i see as muted/disabled |
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| 22:37.40 | pero | babilen: it hangs - im using alsa |
| 22:38.16 | wepy | dondelelcaro: that's neat... what if it doesn't have a script for the version i want? |
| 22:38.20 | wepy | like 12.04 precise |
| 22:38.49 | dondelelcaro | wepy: precise was released after the debootstrap in stable was released |
| 22:39.04 | dondelelcaro | wepy: get the one in backports if you want to use precise. |
| 22:39.11 | wepy | what? |
| 22:39.17 | wepy | backport of what |
| 22:39.29 | dondelelcaro | wepy: backport of debootstrap 1.0.55. |
| 22:39.37 | dondelelcaro | ,versions debootstrap |
| 22:39.38 | judd | Package: debootstrap on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.26+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.0.42~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.0.48+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.0.55~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.0.55; sid: 1.0.55 |
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| 22:40.00 | wepy | oic |
| 22:40.11 | wepy | so people make updated packages for older debians.. backports |
| 22:40.16 | topi` | am I the only one whose sites were all broken by an upgrade to new apache2? |
| 22:40.18 | wepy | where do i get those backports? |
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| 22:40.52 | topi` | first, 001-mysite needs to be renamed to 001-mysite.conf, ok, I got that one, but now I get 403 forbidden from every site |
| 22:41.12 | LtL | dpkg: tell wepy about bpo |
| 22:41.26 | LtL | wepy: read the message from dpkg |
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| 22:43.13 | topi` | I guess my apache2 was running like 3 years without an upgrade, so several versions have come in between... |
| 22:43.13 | wepy | which mirrors have backports? i tried http.debian.net, and it appeared to fail |
| 22:44.14 | jelly-home | wepy: the ones listed on the backports site under "Mirrors" |
| 22:44.28 | LtL | wepy: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ it doesn't get any clearer than that. |
| 22:44.38 | jelly-home | LtL: oh it could get clearer |
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| 22:45.07 | LtL | jelly-home: probably but it'll do |
| 22:45.33 | jelly-home | LtL: I've seen three users already get confused by the wording and think debian mirrors and backports mirrors are the same |
| 22:45.52 | wepy | hm, those don't seem to work either |
| 22:46.19 | jelly-home | LtL: also, that "squeeze-backports(-sloppy)" thing is weird, too |
| 22:46.27 | tremon | http.debian.net is a valid backports mirror |
| 22:46.29 | LtL | wepy: what exactly doesn't work |
| 22:46.34 | LtL | jelly-home: thats true |
| 22:46.58 | jelly-home | tremon: only if it has code specifically for backports, does it? |
| 22:47.20 | tremon | the site says it has... |
| 22:47.26 | wepy | when i add a mirror from the bckports site to sources.list, then do apt-get update, i get a message like "failed to getch"... from the backport mirror |
| 22:47.51 | tremon | !tell wepy about errors |
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| 22:49.40 | wepy | Failed to fetch ftp://debian.gtisc.gatech.edu/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports(-sloppy)/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz |
| 22:50.01 | tremon | wepy: remove the (-sloppy) |
| 22:50.25 | wepy | oh |
| 22:50.36 | wepy | just navigated to that folder and noticed |
| 22:50.44 | wepy | so do i want -sloppy, the regular one? |
| 22:51.06 | tremon | you want regular, unless you know otherwise :) |
| 22:51.11 | wepy | ok :) |
| 22:52.11 | tremon | it's explained on the bpo instructions page, basically, -sloppy might give you newer packages but might also blow up the next you try to dist-upgrade |
| 22:52.19 | tremon | next /time/, that is |
| 22:52.28 | wepy | cool |
| 22:52.32 | wepy | the backport has precise :D |
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| 22:55.15 | darkblue_b | does someone know.. how to "pin" with apt.. in the case of a repo called ppa:johanvdw/osgeolive |
| 22:55.31 | darkblue_b | the variations I just tried did not work |
| 22:56.18 | mtn | darkblue_b: debian doesn't use ppas |
| 22:56.27 | darkblue_b | oh ugh - sorry |
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| 22:56.33 | darkblue_b | my aplogies |
| 22:56.54 | darkblue_b | it *was* an apt question ! |
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| 22:57.42 | jelly-home | darkblue_b: try ##linux or your distribution's channel; this is not the right place to ask about apt (or dpkg) features that Debian does not use |
| 22:57.57 | tremon | darkblue_b: the output of apt-cache policy will give you pinning hints (second line of each repo). But as said, mixing ppa's with debian is the wrong thing to do |
| 22:57.59 | darkblue_b | I am making a distribution |
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| 22:58.21 | darkblue_b | .. trying to crash-learn something about .debs |
| 22:58.31 | darkblue_b | thx though - sorry for the noise |
| 22:58.36 | wepy | if i want to debootstrap ubuntu, do I just change the mirror argument to be an ubuntu mirror? |
| 22:58.42 | smj | I've reinstalled libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 several times, but I still don't have /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 |
| 22:58.43 | wepy | the wiki's not so clear on this.. |
| 22:58.54 | wepy | all of the examples are for installing different debian versions with debootstrap |
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| 23:00.15 | gregtom6 | hy all |
| 23:00.16 | tremon | smj: leftover packages from proprietary drivers might have set up diversions. make sure you have completely purged nvidia or fglrx |
| 23:00.24 | smj | okay |
| 23:01.09 | smj | ah, I have NVIDIA driver installed |
| 23:01.14 | gregtom6 | will the Debian installer give error if the hard disk is not enough for that? or it will start the installing without saying anything? |
| 23:01.27 | oskie | hello, does anyone know if swap on SSD is a bad or good idea? |
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| 23:02.36 | jelly-home | oskie: it's typically cheaper to buy more RAM, than to extensively swap to SSD and kill it before its time |
| 23:03.03 | tremon | wepy: the internet is quite helpful to me if I ask search for "debootstrap ubuntu". Maybe your search bubble is too small? |
| 23:03.11 | jelly-home | oskie: so it you know your system is swapping, buy more RAM |
| 23:03.15 | oskie | jelly-home: yes, but they say that you should have swap, or there will be weird performance issues in linux |
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| 23:03.52 | wepy | tremon: i copied something from the ubuntu site... i think it's working |
| 23:03.55 | jelly-home | oskie: oh, you can enable a small amount, like 1-2GB, just be careful not to use it :-) |
| 23:04.02 | jelly-home | (too muhc) |
| 23:04.03 | wepy | debootstrap is a neat tool |
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| 23:04.24 | tremon | I've read that too about swap, I'm still not sure if it's an urban legend and/or if that still applies in 2013 |
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| 23:05.10 | jelly-home | oskie: there used to be memory allocator fragmentation issues that got cleared around 2.6.2x-3x; not sure how bad things are these days |
| 23:05.21 | mtn | tremon: linux runs fine without swap, at least if you have enough ram and don't hibernate |
| 23:05.44 | mtn | oskie: linux runs fine without swap, at least if you have enough ram and don't hibernate |
| 23:06.09 | tremon | mtn: thanks |
| 23:06.51 | smj | gregtom6: okay, works now |
| 23:07.15 | MrMonkey31 | makes note to self, to buy more ram after buying that powerboat, and before the medieval castle |
| 23:07.19 | gregtom6 | smj: the installer works, but I needed to restart the installer |
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| 23:07.36 | gregtom6 | it seemed to be 2 Gb is not enough for installing Debian |
| 23:07.51 | smj | oh I meant tremon, works now |
| 23:07.53 | t3soro | does anyone know of any bitcoin exchange API simulators? |
| 23:08.21 | t3soro | woops wrong chan |
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| 23:10.23 | MrMonkey31 | but seriously, I thought swap files got the 'treatment', whatever that may be, if put in ssd partition with a lotta free space. the ssd's self-maintainenance treatment, if you know what I mean |
| 23:10.49 | eneasvva | somebody knows a channel of assembler ? |
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| 23:12.00 | MrMonkey31 | and you use mkswap and swapon (system commands) to set that up, right? :> |
| 23:12.12 | tremon | MrMonkey31: I don't think the ssd can distinguish between swap files and regular files |
| 23:12.16 | Silmarilion | eneasvva, #asm |
| 23:12.47 | babilen | eneasvva: "/msg alis list *asm*" + "/msg alis list *assem*" |
| 23:13.24 | babilen | eneasvva: And asking for IRC help is rather on topic in #freenode |
| 23:13.47 | eneasvva | thank you |
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| 23:26.21 | wepy | is there any way to use chroot as non-root? |
| 23:26.37 | LordDeath | is it normal that the open-vm-tools won't enable the "3d" gnome shell within a VMware VM? |
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| 23:27.44 | MrMonkey31 | tremon: that would imply that they indeed ... what I'd said! I'm moving forward on that presumption! |
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| 23:31.15 | ska | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G15S6098 doesn't want to boot to my plain old disks |
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| 23:31.52 | ska | Keeps trying to boot to "intelligent bla bla".. Or the B120i arrray.. |
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| 23:32.22 | ska | I installed it as software raid, and don't want to use its built in array |
| 23:33.39 | jelly-home | ska: is it an intel-based mother board raid, or a smartarray controller that your disks are connected to? |
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| 23:36.19 | ska | HP Dynamic Smart Array B120i I think... |
| 23:36.51 | babilen | wedge: No, not really. (cf. chroot(2)) |
| 23:37.04 | babilen | wedge: ENICK, sorry |
| 23:37.09 | babilen | wepy: ^^^^ |
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| 23:37.52 | ska | jelly-home: I didn't have any options that I could see and their SmartArray configureation seems to see my drives. |
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| 23:38.04 | ska | Of course I din't change the config at all. |
| 23:38.49 | jelly-home | ska: that kind of sounds like a smartarray. You cannot use disks directly there, but you can format a number of arrays, each with a single disk in "raid 0" |
| 23:39.02 | ska | jelly-home: I wonder if I need to turn off PXE. |
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| 23:39.18 | jelly-home | pxe is not related to raid setup |
| 23:39.37 | ska | jelly-home: is that the way I need to go then? Will my previous install be destroyed? |
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| 23:40.14 | ska | THe Debian installer seems to have found the disks ok, and I installed all without problems.. |
| 23:40.15 | jelly-home | if it's really a smartarray controller in there, I'd keep using it -- it's good enough |
| 23:40.38 | ska | jelly-home: Should I abandon soft-raid? |
| 23:41.04 | ska | from a practical matter, maybe using their raid is best. |
| 23:41.59 | jelly-home | ska: if it's a smartarray comparable to those in proliants, then yes. Just install hpacucli or hpssacli or whatever the controller tools are called |
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| 23:42.41 | ska | It says B120i drive must be installed for the OS installation to recognize the optical device.. but that doesn't seem related.. I'll try to scan this info sheet and post it. |
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| 23:43.00 | Sia- | hi, where kernel option saved? |
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| 23:43.27 | darkblue_b | oh - I htink I have a RAID controller on one of my debain machines.. I wonder if there are tools for it |
| 23:43.56 | Sia- | i have new notebook from HP, it |
| 23:44.34 | Sia- | it's Ubuntu preinstalled, but i've tried to install debian i got just blackscreen after boot! |
| 23:44.40 | darkblue_b | lspci ... RAID bus controller: Dell PowerEdge Expandable RAID controller 4 (rev 06) |
| 23:44.59 | darkblue_b | how would I find CLI tools for that, if any ? |
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| 23:45.59 | ska | jelly-home: Will my USB boot loader see that smart array controoler? |
| 23:46.15 | jelly-home | ska: usb boot loader? |
| 23:46.42 | jelly-home | ska: a boot loader sees whatever the bios gives it. Not sure about UEFI machines. |
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| 23:48.27 | ska | I mean the installer (on usb).. Prior, it saw the raw disks. |
| 23:48.46 | Sia- | jelly-home, mine it's with UEFI and edit by the HP self. |
| 23:48.54 | jelly-home | ska: oh. that's weird for a smartarray (shouldn't happen) |
| 23:49.29 | jelly-home | Sia-: I have no idea about laptops, sorry |
| 23:49.31 | darkblue_b | hehe - The 'afacli' app that seems to be officially recommended by Dell does not work worth a poop. |
| 23:49.31 | Sia- | ok thnx anyway :-) |
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| 23:50.46 | jelly-home | ska: apparently this "HP Dynamic Smart Array B120i" is a fakeraid http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantstorage/arraycontrollers/dynamicsmartarray/ |
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| 23:52.02 | darkblue_b | https://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins |
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| 23:52.43 | jelly-home | ska: with closed-source drivers, too https://access.redhat.com/site/articles/118133 |
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| 23:53.47 | jelly-home | ska: that redhat page shows how to disable the raid mode and put the controllers into AHCI... you might have to reinstall after that |
| 23:53.49 | ska | jelly-home: Oh boy.. I can't use that then.. can i? |
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| 23:54.34 | ska | thanks |
| 23:54.36 | jelly-home | once in ahci mode, Linux ought to work (better) |
| 23:54.54 | veryhappy | hey guys, i have a question about /sys, when i want to use it in /etc/fstab with specialized commands for my system the boot process looks like "according to mtba, sysfs is already mounted on /sys failed." somebody please help me to get this mount right, thank you in advance :) |
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| 23:56.28 | ska | jelly-home: thanks thanks.. I hope that works. |
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| 23:56.44 | ska | I usually have to install at least twice on new hardware anyway.. |
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