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| 00:09.30 | Mike9863 | GNOME terminal keeps outputting stuff about a hardware error along with a beep sound. How can I disable this? |
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| 00:15.32 | debian-davi | where can I have bash help? |
| 00:15.35 | Okee | Question: Am I allowed to have two versions of Java installed: http://pastebin.com/iCkksR0M? I am getting an error message, and can't install OxygenXML Editor. |
| 00:15.52 | Okee | In my case I don't think it is the JVM, but I am not sure. |
| 00:16.24 | debian-davi | I want to run a script when the computer boots the first time of the day |
| 00:16.45 | Okee | Is there a way to direct the download to a specific area, instead of the default download file? Also, i would like to name the download, instead of having the computer use it. I don't see any options with the default download manager. I am running Debian stable. |
| 00:18.51 | debian-davi | perhaps I can use xinitrc |
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| 00:22.34 | debian-davi | :w wm war |
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| 00:24.05 | Penix | Okee: did you say you needed java 7 earlier? read the output you posted |
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| 00:24.42 | Okee | Penix> The output that I put is what is on my computer, but I don't know whether or not the output represents a problem. Is Java 6 ok to run? |
| 00:25.02 | Penix | Okee: as I said, you mentioned requiring java 7, didn't you? |
| 00:25.38 | Penix | Okee: read that output again. it's showing you which java versions are available on your system |
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| 00:28.35 | Okee | Penix> The output indicates I have OpenJDK Version 6. Is this a problem? |
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| 00:29.54 | Okee | Is there another download manager that will allow me to set the location of where a file is saved to, and also name the file befoe it is downloaded? The current download manger called download them all seems a bit primitive. |
| 00:30.37 | Penix | Okee: again: did you, or did you not mention that you required java 7? |
| 00:30.55 | Okee | Penix> No, I did not mention anything about Java 7 |
| 00:31.19 | Okee | My question is whether or not the current version Open JDK 6 is a problem. |
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| 00:32.13 | Okee | Does anyone have a recommendation on a download manager, that allows you to set the location, and to also set the name of the file being downloaded? I looked in the repos and it looks like there is a lot of stuff to sift through. |
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| 00:33.25 | buu | Okee: wget? |
| 00:33.33 | buu | -_- |
| 00:33.40 | Okee | buu> Ok, let me try it out. Thanks. |
| 00:34.42 | Okee | buu> Hmm. Says I already have the latest version. Does wget let you name the file, and point the location? Currently the manager that I have only lets you send it to the downloads directory, and there is no option for naming the file. |
| 00:34.55 | ChibaPet | Okee: Another option - I've always had a soft spot for tnftp. |
| 00:35.55 | ChibaPet | If you install it, "man ftp" and look at the "-o" option |
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| 00:39.29 | Okee | ChiaPet> Does tnftp work from the command line? The X window manager options still don't give me the option to determine where the file will be saved to, or what the file will be called. I did download tnftp. |
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| 00:40.19 | Tom01 | Can somebody tell me, where mldonkey gets started? I can't ind anything in init.d |
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| 00:43.15 | cronic | hey, is there someone who can tell me how to install arm-elf-toolchain on wheezy? oô |
| 00:44.27 | nkuttler | Tom01: which mldonkey? |
| 00:44.41 | Tom01 | mldonkey-server |
| 00:44.52 | nkuttler | Tom01: no, type that command |
| 00:44.56 | nkuttler | without the ? |
| 00:45.19 | Tom01 | 2.9.5-2 |
| 00:45.25 | nkuttler | wtf.. |
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| 00:45.34 | nkuttler | Tom01: type "which mldonkey" in a terminal |
| 00:45.43 | Tom01 | hehe |
| 00:45.52 | Tom01 | now I got it |
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| 00:46.28 | Tom01 | /usr/bin/mlnet |
| 00:47.20 | LordBrain | On wheezy, if i want to install kde, all i need is apt-get install kde-standard, right? |
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| 00:47.30 | nkuttler | !tell LordBrain about install kde |
| 00:47.37 | LordBrain | i am getting this whole slew of unmet dependencies |
| 00:47.57 | LordBrain | i already checked with the bot thanks, but it doesnt address my problem. |
| 00:48.01 | nkuttler | !errors |
| 00:48.01 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
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| 00:48.15 | LordBrain | i dont see why i should have any problem, i am on debian stable |
| 00:48.33 | LordBrain | : Depends: phonon but it is not going to be installed |
| 00:48.34 | LordBrain | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.34 | LordBrain | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:48.42 | LordBrain | there's a whole bunch more after that |
| 00:48.45 | nkuttler | LordBrain: don't paste in the channel |
| 00:48.48 | nkuttler | !tell LordBrain about paste |
| 00:48.57 | LordBrain | sigh |
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| 00:52.02 | tomatosalad | holy crap, it's not that my grandmother can't understand how to use windows 8, it's that she can't understand how to use a computer that doesn't have AOL and all her favorites |
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| 00:53.24 | debian-davi | Is there any problem w/ RW with NTFS in Linux? |
| 00:53.39 | debian-davi | I remember writing a file to my NTFS partition back then and it didn't work |
| 00:53.49 | nkuttler | !ntfsrw |
| 00:53.49 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 00:55.24 | debian-davi | but can a RW break a NTFS partition? |
| 00:56.40 | ZitZ | ntfs-3g has been heavily tested, it is highly unlikely, the worst that can happen is it gets flagged as dirty and you have to mount it in windows and run a scandisk before you can use it in linux again |
| 00:56.57 | ZitZ | i think they fixed that too though, that hasn't happend to me in years |
| 00:57.40 | zinx | ZitZ: it used to intentionally flag it as dirty, because it did some things that chkdsk fixes, but ntfs-3g didn't know how to do right |
| 00:58.32 | tomatosalad | Honest question: is there a guide that is literally ubuntu/mint/whatever for senior citizens coming from windows xp |
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| 01:00.26 | akurczyk | hi i need to remove one channel (from stereo to mono) from a wav fifo pipe - not a file and output this to a standard output. sox cant read from pipe - it expects some header. |
| 01:00.40 | nkuttler | tomatosalad: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 01:00.50 | ZitZ | i was under the impression, that it would get flagged as dirty if you unsafely removed it, and ntfsprogs at that time did not have the capability to fix it |
| 01:01.24 | tomatosalad | nkuttler: this isn't for me, this is for my grandmother. and I just realized this is #debian, not ##linux. whoops :) |
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| 01:04.12 | slept | my bluetoothisn't working ... where do i start |
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| 01:05.08 | ZitZ | make sure it is enabled, some laptops have it tied to an rfkill switch, check that it is enabled in the bios |
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| 01:05.54 | slept | the switch is combined with wifi as far as i know, and that is enabled |
| 01:06.09 | slept | and works well |
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| 01:20.53 | slept | how does one get invited to #debian-next which is mentioned in the topic? |
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| 01:21.43 | oxez | slept: it's on irc.oftc.net, not freenode, you don't need to be invited to join |
| 01:22.46 | slept | oxez, oh thanks. |
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| 01:26.39 | feneco | hey |
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| 01:26.47 | feneco | why people say debian is so stable? |
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| 01:27.18 | feneco | i saw comments like its comparable to mac os x or something... |
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| 01:28.48 | AimHere | The Debian "stable" version tends to be tested pretty hard before release and once released, doesn't get any upgrades except for security fixes |
| 01:29.29 | feneco | and the bad side is? old software in repositories? |
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| 01:29.35 | AimHere | Exactly |
| 01:29.56 | feneco | and debian testing would be a rolling release version of debian? |
| 01:29.56 | AimHere | There are 'testing' and 'unstable' repositories for those who live life a little more dangerously |
| 01:30.08 | AimHere | 'unstable' or 'sid' is the rolling release version |
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| 01:30.24 | AimHere | "testing" is the preview of the next version of "stable" |
| 01:30.34 | feneco | would you recommend it for a daily driver computer? |
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| 01:31.28 | AimHere | I use unstable on my desktop; and there is the ever-present danger of some screwup in the package manager, but it's no worse than the hassles I had when using Windows |
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| 01:32.31 | Penix | feneco: if you're not familiar with debian; no, don't use unstable |
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| 01:34.01 | feneco | but i can manually install updated software or binary packages in debian stable? |
| 01:34.20 | Penix | feneco: yes. /msg dpkg debian-backports |
| 01:35.12 | nkuttler | feneco: if you're not familiar with debian use only stable, with backports |
| 01:35.46 | nkuttler | feneco: testing can break in worse ways than unstable, even if it's rare |
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| 01:39.33 | feneco | i think i will try debian stable then, im using ubuntu 13.10 but i feel thats slower and more unstable than windows 7 |
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| 01:46.08 | Wheelman | may i have your attention? |
| 01:46.26 | Wheelman | i have an issue with debian,i keep getting a black screen at startup,all of what i can do is just getting to the tty1 terminal in the recovery mode,any help? |
| 01:47.26 | Penix | Wheelman: you still haven't explained exactly what stage of the boot process you're getting to. you mentioned 'drivers loading'. what did that mean? does the kernel and init process finish? |
| 01:47.53 | Penix | Wheelman: it could just be your X server. we can't tell by 'getting a black screen' |
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| 01:48.32 | Wheelman | Penix, yes,instead of the usual the GUI log-in screen,a black blindy screen appears |
| 01:48.40 | dvs | Wheelman: Does "Ctrl-Alt-F1" get you to a login prompt? |
| 01:49.05 | Wheelman | dvs, no,i just can get to tty1 terminal in the recovery mode,it appears there by default |
| 01:49.42 | dvs | ...so the answer is yes. |
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| 01:50.10 | Wheelman | dvs, ctrl+alt+f1 is related to accessing the tty1 in the normal mode,which is impossible |
| 01:50.24 | dvs | Wheelman: pastebin the contents of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file |
| 01:50.29 | Wheelman | that black screen makes it blindy |
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| 01:52.30 | Wheelman | dvs, i can't connect to internet via the debian terminal,so now i have to restart the pc,copy the contents of the files to win7's partition then pastebin them from the current win7 os |
| 01:52.56 | Penix | Wheelman: press ctrl+alt+f1 while you've got the 'black screen'. what happens? does it switch to the console? |
| 01:53.14 | dvs | Penix: Yes, he called it the "recovery mode" screen.. |
| 01:53.32 | Penix | ok. assumed that was some sort of single user mode reference or something |
| 01:53.34 | Wheelman | dvs, Penix am i making myself clear? |
| 01:53.57 | Penix | Wheelman: not really. what happens when you switch to the console? do you see a login prompt? |
| 01:54.09 | Wheelman | Penix, no |
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| 01:54.26 | dvs | oh |
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| 01:55.06 | Wheelman | shiuld i now restart and gon on for the xorg file? |
| 01:55.15 | Wheelman | *should*go*on |
| 01:55.16 | Penix | Wheelman: there's nothing you or any of us can do without some sort of access to a shell or some Xorg log output |
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| 01:56.13 | Wheelman | Penix, understood |
| 01:56.16 | Wheelman | brb |
| 01:56.47 | Wheelman | oh.. |
| 01:57.17 | Wheelman | can you guide me to how to activate the wifi,so i keep in touch using irssi? |
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| 01:58.45 | Wheelman | nvm googling |
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| 02:17.46 | ToTheInternet | I want to install a complete build toolchain. What packet do i want? can i just do apt-get install gcc and rely on it to have the corect dependencies? |
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| 02:18.40 | bbtech | I have a laptop and a external monitoring. The monitors are currently mirroring. How can I break the mirror so that I can use each monitor individually? |
| 02:18.48 | bbtech | *external monitor |
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| 02:19.35 | ToTheInternet | bbtech: depends on the desktop environment, but you could always use xrandr |
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| 02:20.05 | bbtech | xfce |
| 02:20.18 | bbtech | I have arandr installed but don't see a way to break the mirror |
| 02:20.32 | bbtech | *was hoping for an easy way to swap between mirror and individual |
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| 02:21.00 | ToTheInternet | there might be an easy way, but i haven't used xfce |
| 02:21.16 | bbtech | arandr worked |
| 02:21.29 | ToTheInternet | nice |
| 02:21.36 | well_laid_lawn | I don't think xfce puts a different desktop on a different monitor |
| 02:23.12 | bbtech | well_laid_lawn, just trying to do a dual monitor setup instead of a mirrored setup. |
| 02:23.24 | bbtech | well_laid_lawn, I have it working now and arandr is what I used |
| 02:23.34 | well_laid_lawn | k |
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| 02:24.18 | ToTheInternet | bbtech: see if your settings persist after logging out or rebooting. if not, you can use xrandr in your startup scripts |
| 02:24.47 | bbtech | ToTheInternet, ok, thanks I will test that |
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| 02:27.24 | somiaj | bbtech: what do you use to configure the second monintor, xrandr (a cli program but there are gui front ends to it) has various options like --mirror, --right-of, --top-of etc |
| 02:27.49 | somiaj | oh it isn't --top-of, it is --above |
| 02:28.02 | somiaj | and --mirror is really --same-as, but read the manpage |
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| 02:31.41 | bbtech | randr settings did stick after a reboot |
| 02:32.06 | somiaj | you need to configure your xorg.conf file for startup settings |
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| 02:33.06 | Wheelman | this is the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file: http://pastebin.com/aFx9EUvZ |
| 02:33.23 | somiaj | bbtech: you have various options. You can configure your display manager to run the xrandr command on init to set the settings, you can configure it in your xorg.conf file, you can use startup scripts for xorg to change it as xorg loads |
| 02:34.17 | bbtech | I believe randr is doing the last one |
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| 02:35.22 | Penix | ToTheInternet: build-essential |
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| 02:36.55 | ToTheInternet | Penix: thats the one, thanks |
| 02:36.58 | Penix | Wheelman: when did this start happening? did you install fglrx before X broke? |
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| 02:38.30 | Wheelman | Penix, i already have installed my proprietary ATI driver that i 've got from AMD site,but it was working ok,until one day i installed a piece of software called YUMI |
| 02:38.53 | Wheelman | i strongly think that YUMI installed a kernel thingy within its installation process |
| 02:39.14 | Wheelman | i say stuff talking about kernels in the installation window |
| 02:39.24 | Wheelman | *saw* |
| 02:40.05 | somiaj | bbd: randr? do you mean xrandr? |
| 02:40.15 | somiaj | bbd: oh guess he left, sorry about that |
| 02:40.28 | Penix | Wheelman: I've never heard of or used it before, but you don't need kernel modules to do what it does |
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| 02:41.19 | somiaj | Wheelman: installing the fglrx driver from the amd website is a bad idea |
| 02:41.20 | Wheelman | Penix, it doesn't exist in the repositories,i got it from http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ |
| 02:41.31 | Penix | Wheelman: yes, I can see that |
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| 02:41.45 | Penix | Wheelman: there's nothing about it that has anything to do with Xorg though |
| 02:42.07 | Wheelman | somiaj, how so?and how would I get the full gfx performances of my ati gpu?gnome 3 can't even start with the open source driver |
| 02:42.12 | somiaj | Wheelman: it puts stuff in the same place dpkg tries to put stuff, and since dpkg has no idea that it is there it is totally possible that a file gets removed/rewritten and changes things. You should use the debian supplied fglrx packages from non-free |
| 02:42.17 | Penix | Wheelman: what else have you changed or installed recently? you've obviously broken something. X doesn't just stop working for no reason. |
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| 02:42.27 | Penix | Wheelman: is there even a display manager running at all? |
| 02:42.53 | somiaj | Wheelman: most likely you can from the opensource driver, you just need 'linux-nonfree' package isntalled. But for fglrx you ned to enable the contrib and non-free repo, then you can install the packages just from there |
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| 02:43.29 | Wheelman | Penix, that's the only thingy i've changed before the issue |
| 02:43.59 | Penix | Wheelman: speaking of the opensource driver: switch your X driver to use the 'ati' or 'radeon' driver (whichever ones compatible with your card) |
| 02:44.01 | Wheelman | Penix, no,only black display,i only can access the terminall in the recovery mode |
| 02:44.02 | somiaj | Wheelman: you will want the linux-headers-`uname -a` package for the kernel you are running, fglrx-driver, fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 02:44.16 | nonconvergent | Hmm. |
| 02:44.20 | somiaj | Wheelman: that way dpkg knows that you have installed the drivers and it won't mess with things as installing from amd.com will |
| 02:44.36 | Penix | Wheelman: forget about the 'black display'. Is there a display manager or window manager running? you've got console access |
| 02:44.57 | Wheelman | Penix, window manager?how to identify that? |
| 02:45.00 | Wheelman | i don't understand |
| 02:45.02 | Penix | Wheelman: ps |
| 02:45.17 | Wheelman | like xorg? |
| 02:45.48 | Penix | Wheelman: check your process list. is a display manager being launched? is X even starting properly at all? you've got to narrow things down |
| 02:46.03 | somiaj | Wheelman: personally I would try to clean up the fglrx install you did and install it via debian pacakges first. Lets clean that up then we can start working on what else is not working |
| 02:46.12 | Wheelman | i didn't try ps though,maybe i should write down every thing i must consultate |
| 02:46.18 | Wheelman | before restarting to debian tty1 |
| 02:46.45 | Wheelman | somiaj, don't i need an internet connection? |
| 02:46.52 | Penix | Wheelman: like somiaj mentioned, your whole fglrx installation may just be screwed up |
| 02:47.02 | Penix | Wheelman: configure X to use a different driver |
| 02:47.08 | somiaj | Wheelman: you should have one, it isn't connected to xorg.conf. If you use network manager you may have to manually bring it up. |
| 02:47.12 | Penix | Wheelman: if it works with the 'radeon' or 'ati' driver, you know what's broken |
| 02:47.15 | Wheelman | the once provided by debian then? |
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| 02:47.30 | Wheelman | ok i see |
| 02:48.02 | somiaj | Wheelman: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary -- there is some instructions for isntalling the debian packages |
| 02:48.40 | Wheelman | ok,so the thing is just i have now to uninstall the proprietary driver and restore the default one |
| 02:48.44 | somiaj | Wheelman: one issue is I don't see any cleanup tool, and don't know if you can use amd's scripts to remove what it installed. It could be they leave some artifacts around. |
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| 02:49.15 | somiaj | Wheelman: you can do this all from a console, so you should a) remove the driver you isntalled from amd.com -- hopefully you can. 2) follow those instructions to install the driver, but from the debian packages. |
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| 02:49.43 | Wheelman | somiaj, understoo. |
| 02:49.45 | somiaj | so you will be using teh non-free driver, it will just be installed in debian packages making it so dpkg knows that you isntalled it |
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| 02:49.49 | Wheelman | *understood. |
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| 02:50.34 | somiaj | this may not fix your issue, but lets clean things up first and then we can help you from there try to debug any issues that arise |
| 02:50.35 | Wheelman | isn't the non-free driver the proprietary one from amd? |
| 02:51.03 | somiaj | yes, but it is installed via .deb packages so your package manager knows it is installed and won't overwrite/mess with the files |
| 02:51.05 | factor | Does anyone know if a Linux driver exist for usb audio that have the RCA connectors as output. |
| 02:51.19 | Penix | factor: the physical connection doesn't matter |
| 02:51.30 | Penix | factor: the standard usb-audio driver is fine |
| 02:51.32 | Wheelman | somazero, i see. |
| 02:51.34 | factor | Penix, nice |
| 02:51.37 | somiaj | and second it is installed in the places debian will expect stuff, so it works better with the debian system. The only issue is the driver version may be slightly older than the one that comes from amd.com |
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| 02:51.54 | somiaj | otherwise it is the same driver |
| 02:52.05 | Wheelman | somazero, ok |
| 02:52.11 | Wheelman | somiaj, * |
| 02:53.22 | Wheelman | somiaj, but i don't have an internet access via the recovery mode's terminal,don't dpkg get packages over the internet? |
| 02:53.56 | somiaj | Wheelman: what do you call the recovery mode? It sounds like you use network manager to configure the internet so it just isn't brought up if x won't run? If so we can configure it without x and get it running. |
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| 02:54.32 | somiaj | Wheelman: wireless or wired internet? |
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| 02:55.17 | Wheelman | somiaj, wireless |
| 02:55.51 | somiaj | Wheelman: do you use wep or wpa? can you run '/sbin/ifconfig -a' -- do you see your wireless device in teh list, should be 'wlan0' |
| 02:55.57 | Wheelman | my grub echoes recovery mode entries as well,like this: http://www.linuxpedia.fr/lib/exe/fetch.php/expert/grub2/grub_mint7.pn |
| 02:56.02 | Wheelman | *png |
| 02:56.32 | Wheelman | somiaj, the wifi adapter is already turned off by default |
| 02:57.12 | somiaj | Wheelman: yea I don't know about the recovery mode, how about you boot up normally (into your normal mode) then when you are sure it is done booting and you are staring at a black screen hit 'ctrl-alt-f1' you should see a text console. |
| 02:57.22 | somiaj | as in I'm usnure what the recovery mode doesn't run or does. |
| 02:57.52 | Wheelman | somiaj, that's the issue too,the black screen makes it completely blindy |
| 02:58.02 | Wheelman | ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't work |
| 02:58.05 | Wheelman | *there |
| 02:58.37 | Wheelman | somiaj, i can reinstall the whole debian as well,but i want to learn :) |
| 02:59.06 | somiaj | Wheelman: hmm, well I'm unsure what the recovery mode gives you. I personally use a chroot on a livecd to fix issues. (: |
| 02:59.41 | Wheelman | somiaj, should I run a live cd to fix the installed debian?that seems strange to me |
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| 03:01.03 | somiaj | Wheelman: that is just the method I use when I have an install that won't boot. I just have never used the recovery mode so I am unsure what is there and what is not. But sure I will try to help youin the recovery mode |
| 03:01.16 | somiaj | Wheelman: when you type /sbin/ifconfig -a you don't see any internet devices in that list? |
| 03:01.50 | nassaba | and why doesn't boot? |
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| 03:02.04 | Wheelman | somiaj, sorry,i didn't try that,is there a tool that runs a terminal within the dual-booted win7 and deal with the linux OS partition ? |
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| 03:02.34 | somiaj | Wheelman: no, you will want to be booted up off a linux kernel to do the fixes |
| 03:03.30 | somiaj | nassaba: he has some conflict with the amd drivers installed from amd.com and another unoffical software making it so his debian install won't boot. I think it is just an xorg problem but am surprised he can't get to a console via ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 03:03.43 | somiaj | Wheelman: another thing you could do is disable your display manager in the recovery mode and then reboot into normal mode and just not have xorg run at start |
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| 03:04.50 | nassaba | Wheelman: somiaj is right in the last advice. It's the best way to fix X's |
| 03:04.56 | Wheelman | somiaj, so now i just disable the display manager and reboot,otherwise i run my live cd ubuntu version and join here? |
| 03:05.11 | Wheelman | ubuntu/debian |
| 03:05.17 | somiaj | Wheelman: once you are booted up it looks like you may have to remount your root partition read/write |
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| 03:05.27 | somiaj | Wheelman: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 03:05.40 | somiaj | Wheelman: after you run that command run 'update-rc.d gdm disable' |
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| 03:06.18 | somiaj | Wheelman: arg I think it is gdm3 not gdm (I don't use gnome myself). That will disable the gnome display manager so it won't run at boot, and that way when you boot xorg will not run and it will drop you into a textmode console we can start to fix things with. |
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| 03:06.49 | Wheelman | somiaj, should i get a kde version next time? |
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| 03:07.12 | nassaba | of course Wheelman |
| 03:07.29 | nassaba | you can download debian-kde images |
| 03:07.40 | somiaj | Wheelman: this has nothignt to do with kde, gnome or what ever de/wm you use. It is a xorg issue |
| 03:07.44 | Wheelman | yeah i have gnome and kde both images |
| 03:07.51 | nassaba | or apt-get install task-kde-desktop |
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| 03:07.54 | somiaj | Wheelman: if you like gnome use gnome, if you like kde use kde. But right now lets fix xorg. |
| 03:08.06 | Wheelman | somiaj, understood |
| 03:08.11 | somiaj | I use fvwm myself, there are tons of options you can use for your wm/de |
| 03:08.20 | somiaj | and I don't use a display manager |
| 03:08.28 | nassaba | Wheelman: keep in mind you need som inet conection |
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| 03:08.39 | Wheelman | nassaba, that's the issue |
| 03:08.49 | nassaba | and without X's, so without NM ... |
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| 03:09.04 | nassaba | why its a issue? |
| 03:09.19 | somiaj | nassaba: he can only boot into recovery mode, and it could be it isn't loading all the wifi drivers and stuff. Hence I want to get him booted into a normal mode in which xorg doesn't lock his machine |
| 03:09.45 | somiaj | nassaba: so once we get that, I was gonna help him configure his internet so he can install teh fglrx drivers from debian and not from the amd.com installer (which is what caused his issues) |
| 03:10.00 | Wheelman | brb rebooting |
| 03:10.37 | nassaba | somiaj: I understant, that. So, he boot into single-mode-user, disables gdm, xdm, wtf, ... inits in runlevel 2, but then |
| 03:11.00 | nassaba | he needs to know how setup connection |
| 03:11.11 | razormonkey55 | Hey guys, it's been a long time since I compiled the latest kernel. I just installed a fresh copy of debian and setup my partitions with LVM. The install came with 3.2.0 and so I decided to upgrade the kernel. I compiled the latest stable kernel 3.12.6 (make && make install). However when I boot, even though it sees the disk, it doesn't see the volumes on it. This must be a stupid mistake by me, any thoughts? |
| 03:11.13 | somiaj | adds a few lines to /etc/network/interfaces, runs ifup wlan0 and should be running. I was hoping he was on a second machine so I could slowly talk him though this |
| 03:11.14 | nassaba | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.26 | nassaba | wired, or wireless? |
| 03:11.50 | nassaba | ok, wireless ... |
| 03:11.53 | somiaj | he said wireless, and I was to the point I was trying to get him to see if his wifi card was loaded with '/sbin/ifconfig -a' and that is where you came in |
| 03:11.59 | nonconvergent | What flags does debuild use? I tried running a script that spits out debs that relies on debuild, but it complains about flags and architectures: http://paste.debian.net/73432/ The script is over here: https://github.com/tuxpoldo/btsync-deb |
| 03:12.19 | somiaj | razormonkey55: do you really want to compile your own kernel? |
| 03:12.22 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 03:12.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-trunk-686-pae (3.12.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); jessie: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.10-1); wheezy-backports: 3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.11.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 03:12.30 | nassaba | uhm :)_ ... i feel like an intruder :)_ |
| 03:12.38 | nassaba | i like intruders |
| 03:12.44 | somiaj | razormonkey55: you can get 3.11.10 from wheezy-backports, would that kernel suit your needs? |
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| 03:13.35 | razormonkey55 | somiaj: I am building a custom system with advanced networking modules as built in. I removed module support so that it's all built in. |
| 03:14.26 | nassaba | and of course you set up a initramfs, to boot from LVM's, no? |
| 03:14.35 | somiaj | razormonkey55: I stoped compiling my own kernels a while ago, not sure what your mistake could be. |
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| 03:14.53 | razormonkey55 | nassaba: yes, initramfs is included |
| 03:15.31 | nassaba | without modules ... :/ ... |
| 03:16.38 | razormonkey55 | nassaba: yes, no module support. I selected everything I needed builtin |
| 03:16.41 | somiaj | razormonkey55: not sure if ##kernel would be of use for you or not. One thing I notice is you run 'make install' and you should run 'make deb-pkg' so you compile a package you can install/remove with dpkg. This will require a few debian packaging utilities installed, but is included in the in main linux kernel sources. |
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| 03:17.21 | somiaj | but if all you need is a newer kernel I say use wheezy-backports and not compile your own. (: |
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| 03:17.46 | nassaba | that's true somiaj, also the benefits of auto config boot kernel paramaters for your image razormonkey55. |
| 03:19.08 | razormonkey55 | nassaba: What do you mean by auto config boot kernel parameters? Do you mean the boot parameters I put in /boot/grub/grub.cfg? They are the same as for the previous kernel. |
| 03:19.45 | somiaj | it just all done via the debian packages so it will when you install the kernel, update grub and add the new entry |
| 03:19.53 | somiaj | also makes removing the kernel far cleaner and nicer |
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| 03:20.07 | nassaba | but (i guess) your prevous kernel was 3.2, and the new one it's 3.12 |
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| 03:21.52 | razormonkey55 | nassaba: yes |
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| 03:22.03 | nonconvergent | Anyone have any luck with tupoldo's deb building scripts for btsync? |
| 03:22.26 | razormonkey55 | nassaba: your point being that it would change the boot params? |
| 03:22.49 | somiaj | nonconvergent: seems a directory is missing causing that cript to fail. I don't know enough to help your issue but #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net has been a good place I have gone when I had packaging questions. |
| 03:22.51 | razormonkey55 | nassaba: I believe `make install` does that for you |
| 03:23.34 | nonconvergent | Yeah, thanks. |
| 03:23.37 | somiaj | razormonkey55: but it does it independentally of the debian package system and it is far cleaner if you build a .deb for your kernel and install/remove the package, nost just use make install. |
| 03:24.11 | razormonkey55 | somiaj: You are probably right, I will try that |
| 03:24.27 | razormonkey55 | somiaj: you can probably tell that I am pretty old school with this ;) |
| 03:24.59 | somiaj | razormonkey55: again the only thing you need to do with modern linux kernels is run 'make deb-pkg' and it will do the work for you. Configuring is exactly the same |
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| 03:25.16 | somiaj | razormonkey55: you may have to install some debian packaging utitilities if you don't have them installed. |
| 03:25.27 | razormonkey55 | somiaj: I will give that a shot |
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| 03:25.31 | razormonkey55 | thanks |
| 03:25.39 | somiaj | so just change 'make && make install' to that one 'make deb-pkg' line |
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| 03:30.49 | nassaba | well, sorry for the delay razormonkey55, looking on some old logs. I got some trouble with sid, the stable branch and kernels, some while ago, when wheezy was stabled first time. The point was about iniramfs-tools. |
| 03:31.19 | razormonkey55 | yes, I had initramfs-tools package installed |
| 03:31.39 | nassaba | I don't know in 7.3, but in 7.2 I will have to upgrade from backports initramfs-tools for play with 3.10 kernels |
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| 03:31.53 | somiaj | razormonkey55: some research says the build-essential package should isntall all the tools you need to build the .deb from that make command. |
| 03:32.15 | razormonkey55 | just looking into the initramfs source file entry in the kernel. I left that blank. It needs a CPIO type file to read the partition info. Do you guys know where I can find that file? |
| 03:33.13 | razormonkey55 | somiaj: installing build-essential package |
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| 03:33.39 | razormonkey55 | I ran updatedb and tried searching for that type of file but no luck |
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| 03:35.52 | razormonkey55 | So nice to have a fast box to compile the kernel on. I used to use distcc to spread it across multiple machines so that I didn't have to sleep on every iteration XD |
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| 03:41.49 | nassaba | razormonkey55: you must leave the initramfs source file(s) empty |
| 03:42.01 | nassaba | initramfs-tools cares about that |
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| 03:42.48 | nassaba | but, if you want to make a initramfs for a 3.12, you need an upgraded version of initramfs tools |
| 03:43.07 | nassaba | you must grabit from backports |
| 03:44.12 | nassaba | by the way, that cpio file it's in the initramfs image |
| 03:44.45 | nassaba | if you take a initramfs of a 3.12 kernel, you must see it inside |
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| 03:45.59 | nassaba | that cpio its the "rootfs" structure, files, and dirs, of the initramfs |
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| 03:47.45 | nassaba | when you invoke initramfs-tools it crates that for you, where the skel of the initramfs "rootfs" it's in /etc/initramfs-tools/, plus the hooks of /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ |
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| 03:50.11 | nassaba | so razormonkey55, why just "apt-get linux-source" which is 3.2 for stable, and make your own image with this sources, that are more on the line (dependencies) of stable ? |
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| 03:55.14 | PersonA | Hello!!!!!!! |
| 03:55.25 | PersonA | Someone alive here? lol |
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| 03:57.11 | PersonA | Guys, anyone here knows how can I install pcsx2 on Debian Wheezy? |
| 03:59.10 | nassaba | PersonA: taking the fonts and compiling? |
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| 04:00.20 | tfox | hello. I have raspbian installed on my pi, and I was trying to install plex media server. I found the ninthgate how-to, but they don't have an arm-release. Is it possible to use i386 packages, or must I use an arm-specific compiled package |
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| 04:00.34 | PersonA | I already try instal one deb package, the problem is the dependencies. The libraries that be nescessary not is available for wheezy |
| 04:01.02 | nassaba | so, take the fonts |
| 04:01.18 | nassaba | install dependencies, and "make" it |
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| 04:01.59 | PersonA | one of the dependencies is one lib that the version is older than the lib that i have instaled on the debian |
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| 04:02.25 | nassaba | which one? |
| 04:02.27 | PersonA | is possible instal two libs on debian? |
| 04:02.55 | nassaba | persona, better compile the sources |
| 04:03.20 | PersonA | ok! I will try! |
| 04:04.15 | PersonA | But compiling I don't remove de dependencies |
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| 04:05.06 | Penix | tfox: it's an arm cpu. you need arm binaries |
| 04:05.34 | kingkongmok | I'm a newbie for compiling. There's a eselect trigger in gentoo to select python 2.7/3.3 version. Is there something like it in debian? |
| 04:06.00 | Penix | kingkongmok: what does compiling have to do with python? do you want to install both ptyhon 2.7 and 3.3 at the same time? |
| 04:06.14 | Penix | kingkongmok: or do you want to build something against python? |
| 04:06.30 | kingkongmok | Penix: yes. I want both of them. |
| 04:06.37 | Penix | kingkongmok: then install both |
| 04:07.10 | Penix | kingkongmok: apt-get install python python3.3 |
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| 04:11.34 | kingkongmok | Penix: thanks, which debian version are you using? testing or sid? |
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| 04:12.53 | Penix | kingkongmok: 3.3 is in sid and testing. 3.2 is available in stable. |
| 04:13.29 | Penix | you should use stable. if you absolutely need 3.3, see if there's a backprt |
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| 04:30.29 | ToTheInternet | i'm on stable and want to install liblightdm-qt-dev from testing or unstable, is that possible? |
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| 04:31.41 | Gentoon | Hello |
| 04:31.54 | Gentoon | I am trying to identify my wireless chip so I can find a driver |
| 04:32.23 | Gentoon | I did lspci -nm |grep 0280 |
| 04:32.39 | Gentoon | but it just retrned 05:00.0 "0280" "10ec" "8179" -r01 "10ec" "0191" |
| 04:32.53 | Gentoon | That doesnt really tell me anything |
| 04:32.54 | tfox | dmesg is probably the best way to go |
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| 04:33.37 | tfox | there's a bunch of ways to find it though. what kind of card is it |
| 04:33.49 | tfox | built in, pci, usb, something like that? |
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| 04:34.29 | glenrock | Gentoon: does this return anything: lspci | grep Network |
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| 04:37.13 | glassresistor | i have aspell-en and sgml-spell-checker |
| 04:37.42 | glassresistor | installed in iceweasel i see misspelled words underlined but no corrections in the dropdown just add dictionary... |
| 04:37.56 | glassresistor | which doesn't do anything when i click on it, any ideas? |
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| 04:44.36 | Penix | ToTheInternet: it's possible, but it's a very bad idea. also, if you want a newer version of the dev package, that means you need a newer version of the library in general. also a newer version of lightdm itself |
| 04:44.44 | Penix | ToTheInternet: /msg dpkg debian-backports |
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| 04:48.33 | SuperPhly | Debian Wheezy here, having a problem running the make-jpkg command against jdk-7u45-linux-x64.bin -- I'm getting a "No matching plugin was found." |
| 04:48.57 | SuperPhly | uname: 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 04:51.34 | Penix | SuperPhly: why aren't you using the proper debian package? apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk |
| 04:52.01 | SuperPhly | https://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun |
| 04:52.09 | SuperPhly | I visited that URL and followed instructions |
| 04:52.39 | Penix | SuperPhly: why do you need the binary Oracle release? |
| 04:52.57 | Penix | SuperPhly: debian has openjdk and sun jdk packages |
| 04:52.58 | SuperPhly | I guess i don't... i didn't realize there was an "open" java |
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| 04:55.11 | mesoderm | #security |
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| 05:04.04 | Wheelman- | ah i see now.. |
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| 05:04.25 | Wheelman- | it really seems like that proprietary ati driver caused the troubles |
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| 05:05.09 | Wheelman- | i'm now running debian ,but need to reinstall the fglrx driver from repositories :) |
| 05:08.19 | Okee | Anyone know how to install Jira on Debian Linux? |
| 05:08.28 | Wheelman- | and yes,i was reading in some more articles that the proprietary ati driver overwrites many files so it messes it there |
| 05:08.37 | Wheelman- | somiaj: thank you. |
| 05:13.39 | somiaj | Wheelman-: glad you are getting it to work, did you fix your current install or choose to reinstall to ensure no artifiacts remained? |
| 05:16.08 | Wheelman- | somiaj: somiaj i was typing these commands in the terminal console http://pastebin.com/JdFRmym3 |
| 05:16.47 | somiaj | Wheelman-: do you want to do 3d stuff (like games) or do you just need enough preformance to make gnome3 run? |
| 05:17.26 | Wheelman- | somiaj: sorry i meant http://pastebin.com/073KdJnr |
| 05:17.54 | Wheelman- | somiaj: yeah i just want to get satisfied with the gnome performances and some mini linux games |
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| 05:18.07 | Wheelman- | fancy graphics/games are run in win7 |
| 05:18.22 | somiaj | Wheelman-: just install the package 'linux-nonfree', you may need to enable the non-free repo for this |
| 05:18.40 | Wheelman- | adding it to the sources.lst? |
| 05:19.02 | somiaj | Wheelman-: even though the radeon driver is free (as in DSFG free/licenses) to get the full preformance from your card you need non-free firmware with the drivers |
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| 05:19.37 | Wheelman- | thati shouldget from the repositories rather than the amd.com site? |
| 05:19.39 | somiaj | Wheelman-: correct, you need to just append your lines, so it should look somehing like 'deb mirror wheezy main contrib non-free' |
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| 05:20.02 | Wheelman- | somiaj: clearly understood,thanks. |
| 05:20.08 | somiaj | Wheelman-: you should get everything from teh repos. Installing stuff outsdie of the debian repos can cause problems unless you know what you are doing |
| 05:20.41 | somiaj | Wheelman-: by default you sholud see lines that have only 'main' there, just append contrib non-free to the lines, 'apt-get update' and you have access to non-free software provided by the debian repos |
| 05:20.52 | Wheelman- | somiaj: i see |
| 05:21.22 | somiaj | after that apt-get install linux-nonfree, and then reboot and see if the preforamce is good enough for gnome3 for you |
| 05:21.31 | somiaj | if that works, you can avoid using the fglrx drivers all together |
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| 05:43.28 | Gentoon | Is anyone around? |
| 05:43.34 | dvs | zzzzzzzzz |
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| 05:43.46 | Gentoon | I am trying to build th drivers for my realtek wireless chip |
| 05:43.55 | Gentoon | I found I needed to patch them so I did |
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| 05:44.04 | Gentoon | But I stil gt the following make eror |
| 05:44.06 | Gentoon | error |
| 05:44.10 | Gentoon | http://pastey.org/view/7291f99e |
| 05:44.52 | dvs | Gentoon: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 05:46.52 | MisterE | hi, what's the command to list an executable's dependencies? |
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| 05:47.09 | MisterE | something like dll? |
| 05:47.28 | dvs | ldd |
| 05:47.59 | Gentoon | dvs: I applied the patch already.. |
| 05:48.19 | dvs | shrugs |
| 05:48.45 | Gentoon | Wow, thanks |
| 05:48.49 | well_laid_lawn | ‘struct ieee80211_conf’ has no member named ‘channel’ - somethings not right there |
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| 05:51.40 | Gentoon | Also my 8188ee isnt even listed on that page |
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| 05:57.59 | dvs | Gentoon: It's in the 3.10 kernel |
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| 05:59.07 | macrobat_ | How could I find out if certain hardware work with a debianized kernel? |
| 05:59.10 | dvs | !tell Gentoon about bpo kernel |
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| 06:00.57 | dvs | macrobat_: "/msg judd pciid ####:####" or "/msg judd usbid ####:####" depending if it is a USB or PCI card. |
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| 06:04.43 | macrobat | I was thinking of motherboards I do not yet own |
| 06:06.16 | dvs | Well, I wouldnt get the absolute latest motherboard for sure. |
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| 06:07.41 | Gentoon | dvs I am running that kernel |
| 06:07.47 | Gentoon | This chip is brand new |
| 06:08.01 | Gentoon | This laptop cme out about 8 days ago and its a new chip |
| 06:08.12 | dvs | With the corresponding firmware-realtek package? |
| 06:08.30 | Gentoon | yes |
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| 06:10.00 | dvs | I never compiled a kernel module from external sources so I can't help. |
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| 06:11.31 | somiaj | Gentoon: what card do you need? Many of the realtek drivers on in debian, you just need to install the non-free firmware |
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| 06:11.47 | Gentoon | somiaj: I have stated what I need |
| 06:11.58 | Gentoon | look it is here under stable |
| 06:12.00 | Gentoon | http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl819x |
| 06:12.33 | hassen | somiaj: makes sense...a 2-3 mg efficient gpu driver against a 100 mb+ one |
| 06:12.47 | hassen | *mb* |
| 06:13.01 | somiaj | Again what chipset do you have Gentoon, most likely it will work with installing teh rigth firmware and you don't need to compile one. |
| 06:13.53 | somiaj | do you have the package firmware-realtek installed? also 'dmesg | grep firmware' do you see a message about not being able to load the firmware for y our card? |
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| 06:19.41 | somiaj | ahh I missed, yea just upgrade to the 3.11 kernel from wheezy-backports and install the firmware package I mentioend from backports too |
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| 06:24.27 | decci | With the standard Linux Debian 6 server, your network isin´t optimizated. You can have a maximum of 1024 connections and a lot of more settings that are at the standard value´s. I want to upgrade my network. Making it possible to have an unlimited value of connections possible. |
| 06:24.37 | decci | Is it possible? |
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| 06:24.57 | decci | Is there any solution for this? |
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| 06:29.39 | somiaj | decci: do you know if this limitation is in debian 7 (wheezy)? As debian 6 is going to reach its end of life soon (6months) and might be worth upgrading if that fixes your issue |
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| 06:30.31 | decci | somiaj: No idea |
| 06:30.54 | somiaj | decci: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/410616/increasing-the-maximum-number-of-tcp-ip-connections-in-linux -- google gave me that link |
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| 06:33.28 | decci | somiaj: Thanks |
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| 07:34.18 | scoobertron | I have a package that I installed from source using checkinstall. A new version is available. Do I need to apt-get remove the old version first, or will checkinstall know how to treat it as an upgrade? |
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| 07:56.18 | Penix | scoobertron: checkinstall won't care. it will build whatever you tell it to build. dpkg is what installs it |
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| 08:01.27 | lwizardl | Hello |
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| 08:03.38 | lwizardl | with the current version of debian, if I have a hatred of unity (ubuntu) and prefer the old gnome2 user interface. Will I hate the default install of debian? or is there another option |
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| 08:19.12 | jmcnaught | lwizardl: as far as i know unity is not available in Debian. The default install is Gnome 3.4 which I really like. Lots of other desktop environments and window managers are available in the repositories |
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| 08:21.15 | lwizardl | jmcnaught: that still reminds me too much of a mac. Is there an option for the generic gnome 2.0 style UI |
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| 08:26.50 | jmcnaught | lwizardl: i think you can log into a "gnome classic" session, which is also the default if there is no GPU. you might also like xfce, which can be configured to be somewhat like gnome 2 |
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| 08:29.28 | dudu_ | hello everybody |
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| 08:31.38 | dudu_ | i have a question, it's possible to dualboot win8 and debian (installed in a external HD) under uefi and using the win8 menu? |
| 08:31.46 | lwizardl | jmcnaught: yeah right now I am using mint, Ihad to remove the crap caja file manager and install the nemo version (basically gave me the old naultis (sp?) file manager style from gnome 2 days. |
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| 08:33.13 | jmcnaught | lwizardl: i still use nautilus. i kind of miss the old spatial mode that nautilus had, but it's still a decent file manager |
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| 08:35.30 | lwizardl | this is what my file manager looks like, except I removed the sidepanel http://img.netupd8.com/nemo-file-manager-latest.png |
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| 08:37.46 | jmcnaught | lwizardl: heh.. nautilus doesn't really look too different from that if you ask me, but I don't have very high demands for a file manager |
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| 08:43.14 | lwizardl | I just want it to be usual style and not this lets copy mac/win8 crap. the nemo is what I have found on mint that actually gives me what I wanted. if I could got back to the gnome 2 version I would in a heartbeat, but on my current distro it was screwed up |
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| 08:50.08 | dudu_ | ok thanks for the great help, bye |
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| 08:55.33 | jebs | hi there on the 31th! |
| 08:55.40 | ChibaPet | Just so! |
| 08:56.32 | jebs | i've just finished an install of debian 7 lxde on my desktop computer, and i faced an issue as grub bootloader, nor lilo bootloader couldn't be installed |
| 08:56.49 | jebs | i've finished the installation without setting up a bootloader |
| 08:57.10 | jebs | now i get the message: /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found |
| 08:57.11 | wols | what error did/does grub-install give you? |
| 08:57.18 | guest442 | someone else in the crunchbang channel had a similar issue. maybe a corrupt ISO? |
| 08:57.20 | wols | pastebin the full output |
| 08:57.26 | wols | !tell jebs about fixboot |
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| 08:59.20 | guest442 | !fixboot |
| 08:59.21 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
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| 09:00.30 | jebs | "entering rescue mode" |
| 09:00.39 | wols | !tell guest442 about selftell |
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| 09:01.42 | guest442 | mk |
| 09:01.52 | guest442 | ty |
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| 10:18.49 | pengunix | So the folder ~/.ssh is also thought for ssh private (and public) keys, right? |
| 10:19.05 | koollman | pengunix: correct |
| 10:19.07 | pengunix | the private keys in there are used for logging in and the public keys are for letting log in, right? |
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| 10:19.39 | wols | public ones are for checking that the remote site is who it claims it is |
| 10:20.13 | koollman | pengunix: not exactly. the public key is usually stored there (for example ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub) but only the content of ~/.ssh/authorized_keys is used for letting log in (and it contains public keys) |
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| 10:23.49 | pengunix | koollman / wols: thank you |
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| 10:28.54 | pengunix | OK, another point |
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| 10:29.07 | pengunix | One can use one single private key and distribute its public key counterpart on multiple ssh servers |
| 10:29.22 | pengunix | So this is very practical but it is secure enough? |
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| 10:32.30 | ChrisH | pengunix: You can use one single private key and if you choose the passphrase well, _I_ consider this secure. |
| 10:33.14 | pengunix | ChrisH: and when there is now a ssh jump server / forwarding thing, one needs the private keys for both, the forwarding ssh and the target ssh, right? |
| 10:33.36 | koollman | pengunix: depends how the forwarding is used |
| 10:33.56 | pengunix | koollman: so there is also forwarding which requires just one single private key? |
| 10:33.57 | ChrisH | pengunix: man ssh-agent and man ssh check for -A and find the answer: not needed |
| 10:34.01 | koollman | pengunix: yes |
| 10:34.27 | pengunix | ChrisH / koollman: It is not needed, but if one wants that the connecting user requires two private keys, one can enfore this, too? |
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| 10:34.44 | pengunix | One private key for the forwarder and a right one for the target server |
| 10:34.45 | koollman | pengunix: I guess you could, but I don't see the point for it |
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| 10:35.03 | ChrisH | does not understand the question |
| 10:35.14 | pengunix | koollman: ok, can I also let the forwarder enforce that the client requires the private key of the target ssh server, not of the forwarder itself? |
| 10:35.22 | pengunix | this would be the best solution for me |
| 10:35.46 | koollman | pengunix: what are you trying to do, at the beginning ? what's the final purpose ? |
| 10:35.58 | pengunix | then, if one shouldn't access a ssh server behind the forwarder anymore, the public key of that specific machine is revoked, and the client can't access the forwarder and also not the ssh server it forwards to. |
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| 10:37.13 | Cojak | pengunix[X] hi |
| 10:37.51 | pengunix | Cojak: hi Cojak, what a joy to see you online! |
| 10:37.56 | pengunix | the [x] means on 'ignore list'? |
| 10:38.20 | Cojak | just playing |
| 10:38.25 | pengunix | ah |
| 10:38.30 | pengunix | [X] to be banned soon :) |
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| 10:39.30 | Cojak | i hv success about te disk free space , using hiren-cd , acronis HD partition , only exactly 7mins & job done properly |
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| 10:40.21 | roger_rabbit | ugh I need a BlueGene cluster |
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| 10:41.44 | pengunix | I want a NVIDIA tesla cluster, so many that I can hear them in my brain when they are on :) |
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| 10:42.15 | Cojak | pengunix: the instead of te |
| 10:42.43 | pengunix | yes |
| 10:42.56 | pengunix | Cojak: thesla? |
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| 10:44.50 | Cojak | pengunix: nope , about yesterday chating HD free space - using hiren-cd and job done perfecly ? really it was magic |
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| 10:47.38 | pengunix | Cojak: ah, now I remember |
| 10:47.42 | pengunix | Cojak: did it work? |
| 10:47.51 | pengunix | Cojak: No problems? The HD partitons are resized now? |
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| 10:55.31 | shaullx | for some reason after updating squeezy to wheezy, starting VNC starts with a blank gnome, with no menus, only the clock in the upper navbar and a circly wallpaper |
| 10:55.45 | shaullx | gnome is installed |
| 10:55.55 | shaullx | fully afaik |
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| 10:56.20 | Cojak | pengunix: just back again |
| 10:56.33 | neongas | How does i386 wheezy DVD install GRUB to a GPT HDD when installing in legacy mode? If there's Windows 8 installed on another partition, how do setup dual boot? |
| 10:57.00 | Cojak | neongas: normal |
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| 10:58.32 | neongas | Can someone point me to a nice guide explaining how to install Debian on these strange new Windows 8 laptops to setup dual boot? |
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| 10:59.05 | wols | neongas: there is no single guide since their secure bott stuff isn't really standardized :( |
| 10:59.13 | wols | you need to disable secure boot however |
| 10:59.21 | Cojak | neongas: did you know how to make a partition for the linux o/s ? |
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| 11:00.15 | neongas | Is amd64 installation really needed? Can't GRUB load i386 Debian as well as Windows 8? |
| 11:00.23 | neongas | Secure boot is switched off. |
| 11:01.14 | pengunix | Cojak: Were you able to resize the partiton? |
| 11:01.14 | CissWit | if it switched off it should work as usual |
| 11:01.20 | pengunix | Cojak: (yesterday) |
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| 11:01.50 | Cojak | yes by yesterday , pengunix |
| 11:02.41 | neongas | I switched to legacy mode and installed Debian on a partition using i386 DVD1. But now GRUB's Windows entry doesn't work. |
| 11:02.58 | Cojak | pengunix: am not using Gparted , Hiren-CD instead (Acronis HD prtition section) |
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| 11:04.02 | DeepBlue | i ran "$ /bin/sh version' to get 'bash: $: command not found'whereas i should have got the bash version according to 'Neil Matthew ,Richard Stones,beginning linux programming,Wiley Publishing, Inc.,3d ed.,pp20,2004'what's wrong? |
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| 11:04.51 | ar | DeepBlue: strip the "$" |
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| 11:05.16 | ar | DeepBlue: it's an indicator that you should run the command as a normal (non-privileged) user |
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| 11:06.28 | posthuman | hello, im setting up a exim4 mta . i tried mail at some adress and mail gives back mail: /home/user/Maildir/sent-mail/: Is a directory |
| 11:06.34 | posthuman | what does that mean ? |
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| 11:06.47 | neongas | And which GRUB version do I need grub-efi-ia32 or grub-efi-amd64 ? Can they both load Debian i386 installation as well as Win8? |
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| 11:07.26 | neongas | s/load/start/ |
| 11:07.49 | DeepBlue | ar : so what output do u get? |
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| 11:08.36 | ar | DeepBlue: /bin/sh: 0: Can't open —version |
| 11:08.52 | ar | DeepBlue: but that's because debian uses ash or dash as /bin/sh |
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| 11:09.25 | DeepBlue | ar: ok,thanx |
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| 11:13.51 | bugoff | 1 |
| 11:13.57 | jelly | DeepBlue: did you mean --version ? |
| 11:14.37 | DeepBlue | jelly, i just copied it |
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| 11:14.56 | jelly | DeepBlue: copied it from where? It looks incorrect. if you want to know bash version, call /bin/bash not /bin/sh |
| 11:15.46 | DeepBlue | jelly, 'Neil Matthew ,Richard Stones,beginning linux programming,Wiley Publishing, Inc.,3d ed.,pp20,2004' |
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| 11:16.47 | jelly | DeepBlue: your irc client wrote '$ /bin/sh —version' ... in addition to $ denoting the prompt, that — sign is not correct |
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| 11:20.17 | DeepBlue | jelly, ok, this is an error and i think we should report it |
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| 11:20.50 | Deeps | is there a recommended way to install a single package from debian testing in stable? |
| 11:20.59 | Deeps | there seem to be many different ways to skin this cat |
| 11:21.06 | DeepBlue | should be '/bin/sh --version' |
| 11:21.45 | daemonkeeper | DeepBlue: Yes, don't do it. |
| 11:22.03 | Deeps | daemonkeeper: assuming thats a tab-misfire and meant for me :> |
| 11:22.09 | jelly | an EDeep |
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| 11:22.19 | daemonkeeper | It was |
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| 11:22.59 | Deeps | I want to install Guacamole, but the version in stable is too old. I figured I'd be better off sticking to packages from jessie/sid rather than building from source |
| 11:23.29 | jelly | dpkg, tell Deeps about ssb |
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| 11:23.49 | Deeps | i was reading about ssb earlier, is sid preferable to testing? |
| 11:24.01 | jelly | ,checkbackport guacamole |
| 11:24.02 | judd | Backporting package guacamole in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 11:24.11 | jelly | ,v guacamole |
| 11:24.12 | judd | Package: guacamole on i386 -- sid: 0.6.0-1; wheezy: 0.6.0-1; jessie: 0.8.3-1; sid: 0.8.3-1 |
| 11:24.25 | daemonkeeper | Deeps: You can apply the same procedure for the testing package. |
| 11:24.25 | jelly | Deeps: it doesn't matter, same version in both |
| 11:24.43 | Deeps | aye, i looked that up on packages.debian.org earlier as well |
| 11:25.01 | Deeps | i'm asking about 'the debian way' at this point, heh :> |
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| 11:25.56 | jelly | ssb is the debianest you can get, given the requirements |
| 11:26.03 | daemonkeeper | A backport is that indeed. |
| 11:26.12 | Deeps | perfect, thanks |
| 11:26.26 | Deeps | backported e2fstools that way previously, good to know i'm on the right track |
| 11:26.27 | Deeps | thanks guys |
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| 11:27.18 | pengunix | Cojak: you should buy an external harddrive and backup your data on it, at least. |
| 11:28.01 | Deeps | i notice all the commands suggested in ssb involve using aptitude instead of apt-get; is apt-get (soon to be) deprecated? |
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| 11:28.18 | brontosaurusrex | any reasons why http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Release_notes/0.48.4 is not in wheezy or backports? |
| 11:28.30 | Cojak | pengunix: will do |
| 11:28.31 | jelly | heh, e2fsprogs are usually fairly fresh in debian, given that upstream and debian maintainer are the same person |
| 11:28.36 | brontosaurusrex | seems to be a security/bugfix release |
| 11:28.58 | petn-randall | Deeps: No, they are two supported tools with their own strength and weeknesses. |
| 11:29.17 | jelly | Deeps: not really; each has a different set of bugs and annoyance |
| 11:29.18 | Deeps | jelly: there was some bug in wheezy relating to resize2fs and ext4 filesystems with particular attributes set in the version on wheezy |
| 11:29.29 | Deeps | petn-randall, jelly: great, thanks |
| 11:29.39 | Deeps | i'll stick to the devil i'm already comfortable with then |
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| 11:30.19 | Cojak | pengunix: but not external (internal hd) as slave , better than external - i think good idea |
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| 11:32.30 | pengunix | Cojak: A backup should be stored physically separate from its source, if possible. |
| 11:32.36 | pengunix | Cojak: Your computer burns, your backup burns |
| 11:32.41 | pengunix | Cojak: Your computer is stolen, your back is stolen |
| 11:32.43 | pengunix | Cojak: and so on |
| 11:33.22 | Deeps | Cojak: if funds permit, do both. have an internal disk and an external disk, sync the external disk at least once a week and keep it offsite |
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| 11:34.32 | Cojak | yes , you are right , pengunix - 2 avoid any prob in the futre then i have to keep the dta on the external & internal , |
| 11:35.00 | Cojak | Deele: that is right exactly that what want to do , |
| 11:35.15 | Cojak | Deeps: |
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| 11:35.40 | Cojak | Deele: sor i mean Deeps |
| 11:36.00 | Deeps | I feel bad for all the other dee* people in here :> |
| 11:36.38 | pengunix | deeeeeR |
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| 11:36.54 | Cojak | Deeps: hope in 2014 , D letter to be Z |
| 11:37.19 | Deeps | Zeeps? |
| 11:37.42 | Cojak | may be scarely , isit ? |
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| 11:39.25 | Cojak | pengunix: any idea how i can upgrade the kernel |
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| 11:41.09 | pengunix | Cojak: first, does it run on a normal machine? Natively? Or on a VM? |
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| 11:41.26 | Deeps | ,checkbackport guacd |
| 11:41.50 | Deeps | :( |
| 11:41.53 | judd | Backporting package guacd in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual. |
| 11:42.02 | Deeps | ,checkbackport libguac5 |
| 11:42.19 | Cojak | pengunix: it is VM |
| 11:42.25 | judd | Backporting package libguac5 in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual. |
| 11:42.53 | pengunix | Cojak: KVM? VMware? XEN? |
| 11:43.06 | pengunix | Cojak: paravirtualized or full-virtualized? this is important for the kernel |
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| 11:44.05 | Cojak | pengunix: full |
| 11:44.36 | Cojak | pengunix: Vmware |
| 11:45.31 | Cojak | cya then , wana 2 take a rest |
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| 11:46.09 | pengunix | Cojak: ok |
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| 11:53.11 | pengunix | Now Cojak is gone, I wanted to tell Cojak some stuff. |
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| 11:56.26 | wols | is there a windows password reset utility in debian? can't find one with "apt-cache search windows password" so far |
| 11:58.01 | wols | ah, chntpw it is |
| 11:58.59 | pengunix | wols: does debian run on the same system as the windows you want to password-reset? |
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| 11:59.11 | wols | with a livecd it does :) |
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| 12:01.55 | pengunix | wols: hm right. The harddrive is not encrypted, right? |
| 12:02.05 | wols | right |
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| 12:02.27 | pengunix | wols: you can even read out a windows password quite easily |
| 12:02.33 | pengunix | wols: windows is not very secure |
| 12:02.45 | wols | pengunix: your point is? |
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| 12:04.28 | pengunix | wols: windows is not very secure |
| 12:04.30 | pengunix | :) |
| 12:04.44 | pengunix | (ok, when someone got access to the hardware it is really hard to protect it) |
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| 12:16.00 | LiuYan | hi, happy new year! a non-technical question: i'm currentlyl using PS1='\[\e[38;5;40m\]\u\[\e[m\] @ \[\e[38;5;161;40m\]\h\[\e[m\] \[\e[38;5;51m\]\w\[\e[m\]\n\$ ' prompt for debian, but i'm not satisified with it, i'm a terrible color mixer. do you have a better color setting for PS1 prompt? |
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| 12:16.50 | x-s4nd3r | I am on a server, and I have no sudo rights. (I am not root). That server has Python 2.7, and I am trying to run a script but it requires mechanize, is there anyway to run mechanize with the script without installing it? |
| 12:17.55 | ziyourenxiang | you can set up PYTHONPATH |
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| 12:18.35 | ziyourenxiang | i mean sys.path |
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| 12:18.45 | ziyourenxiang | been a long time since i actually used python. |
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| 12:21.43 | brontosaurusrex | LiuYan, i have "PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}┌──[\e[0;33m\u\e[0m@\e[0;32m\h\e[0m]─[\e[2;37m\w\e[0m]\n└─\$ '" |
| 12:22.09 | brontosaurusrex | its a two liner |
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| 12:27.16 | mouz\lex | any ideas why my keyboard backlight doesnt come on all of a sudden? (Dell e4300, sid) Can't turn on using FN+RIGHT either |
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| 12:30.10 | Alina-malina | anyone please suggest the optimal virtualization software for running on debian, my goal is to run website on virtual machines that hides all information about real machine and never leak things like real ip address, computer configuration, etc etc etc |
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| 12:31.28 | ziyourenxiang | for your website to be reachable, it's IP address has to be "real". |
| 12:31.36 | ziyourenxiang | s/it's/its |
| 12:32.06 | Alina-malina | hmmmm i did not think about that |
| 12:33.21 | Alina-malina | ziyourenxiang, anyway what would you suggest for the rest? vitualbox or kvm? or maybe xen? |
| 12:33.41 | ziyourenxiang | mine's a VPS, so i use LXC. |
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| 12:35.06 | Alina-malina | ziyourenxiang, and your virtual environment can see your real ip address? |
| 12:35.25 | wols | Alina-malina: there is no way not to leark "reap ip address" |
| 12:35.30 | wols | *leak |
| 12:35.47 | wols | the visitors need to visit the website. without a working IP this is not possible |
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| 12:36.01 | Alina-malina | even with routing? |
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| 12:36.07 | wols | and a VM is not a sndbox. what you want to do is pointless |
| 12:36.12 | wols | *sandbox |
| 12:36.31 | Alina-malina | i just want that the os inside the vm not access the ip address stuff |
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| 12:36.50 | LiuYan | brontosaurusrex: thanks, i've googled one like yours here: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-bash-shell-setup-prompt.html (in the first reply), looks nice in pattern, but the color ran away from the color in debian logo, the #161 indexed color of 256-color pallete is the most closest color to debian logo ~ |
| 12:37.58 | NiLon | Alina-malina for websites I would suggest vagrant but it really depends what you are doing, if you are looking for someking tight jail then vagrant might not be the best idea but for devs it's ideal |
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| 12:38.19 | wols | Alina-malina: a website needs an IP where it can be reached. no way around this |
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| 12:38.36 | Alina-malina | NiLon, yes i want to jail the website isolate from the real machine |
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| 12:39.26 | NiLon | what kind of isolation? |
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| 12:39.59 | NiLon | you know there's differences, like bullet proof and nuclear blast proof |
| 12:40.00 | Godsey | Alina-malina: you can run a virtual machine on a natted IP |
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| 12:40.11 | Alina-malina | NiLon, well here is my scheme: debian machine-> virtaulization->virtual debian -> [website] ----->proxy server --->internet |
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| 12:40.28 | NiLon | Alina-malina so basically any solution is good for that |
| 12:41.07 | Alina-malina | NiLon, so the website will be accessable only over proxy, i want to setup website at home computer but route it over proxy |
| 12:41.22 | Godsey | you can do that pretty easily |
| 12:41.24 | NiLon | vagrant is very easy to set up working and simple to use |
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| 12:41.44 | Godsey | for example if you have a vm hosted somewhere running nginx |
| 12:42.01 | Alina-malina | NiLon, is vagrant very reliable or i should find other solution as well? |
| 12:42.04 | Godsey | from your house you can have ssh setup a port forward from the vm to localhost 8080 to 80 |
| 12:42.16 | Godsey | then have nginx on the vm proxy port 8080 out |
| 12:42.16 | NiLon | Alina-malina depends what are your requirements |
| 12:42.48 | Alina-malina | NiLon, it is a website, forum with lots of images authorization,jus regular forum |
| 12:43.21 | Alina-malina | Godsey, i want to isolate it in virtual environment |
| 12:43.37 | Godsey | yep |
| 12:43.42 | NiLon | Alina-malina why it needs to be virtual machine instead of just virtual host? |
| 12:43.54 | Alina-malina | NiLon, virtual host? |
| 12:43.55 | Godsey | I isolate all my domains in a vm |
| 12:43.59 | Godsey | seperate vm |
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| 12:44.08 | NiLon | like just another instance of webserver |
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| 12:44.30 | NiLon | is there any reason to have full blown virtualized system behind it, because it's waste of resources always |
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| 12:44.41 | Godsey | I use smartos but you could also do it pretty easy w/ just debian and lxc |
| 12:44.42 | Alina-malina | NiLon, i dont know i want it to be reliable |
| 12:44.53 | Godsey | I run debian vms on top of smartos |
| 12:45.03 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.12 | ziyourenxiang | Alina-malina: you mean you have access to a proxy somewhere on the internet, which you can configure to point to your website running on your home computer? does your home network have a static IP? |
| 12:45.13 | NiLon | Alina-malina virtual machines are not any more "reliable", it can be even worse |
| 12:45.17 | wols | and putting stuff inside VMs increases complexity |
| 12:45.29 | Godsey | it increases durability and security |
| 12:45.51 | Alina-malina | ziyourenxiang, no it doesnt have static ip address |
| 12:45.57 | wols | Godsey: no |
| 12:46.04 | wols | whatever "durability" woul dbe |
| 12:46.07 | ziyourenxiang | then how does your proxy know what address to point to? |
| 12:46.11 | wols | Godsey: VMs are not sandboxes |
| 12:46.17 | Godsey | host machine dies, easy to move |
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| 12:47.13 | Godsey | easy to do resource limitation too |
| 12:47.18 | Godsey | Alina-malina: https://wiki.debian.org/LXC |
| 12:47.59 | NiLon | I'm not sure if virtualization is answer for host dying |
| 12:48.21 | Godsey | virtio makes it so |
| 12:48.28 | NiLon | if car blows it doesn't matter what kind of car you have |
| 12:48.32 | Godsey | you never have to worry about having the right kernel modules |
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| 12:49.01 | NiLon | better make sure you have multiple cars so it doesn't matter if one blows.. that much at least |
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| 12:49.09 | Godsey | Alina-malina: lxc is super lightweight sandboxed hosts (not perfect) but much more lightweight than kvm |
| 12:49.42 | Godsey | cars are a terrible analogy |
| 12:50.58 | Megaf | Hi folks, what are you talking about? |
| 12:51.18 | Megaf | I really like containers, virtualization and emulation |
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| 12:51.28 | Megaf | perhaps there is something I can help with |
| 12:51.49 | Godsey | Alina-malina: I use SmartOS as the host and run between 30 and 500 hosts per machine |
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| 12:51.58 | Deeps | NiLon: if your host machines ultimately only store stuff in active memory, writing everything else to replicated san, then virtualisation is very useful |
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| 12:52.29 | Godsey | all the virtual machines have private ips and communicate to the web behind nginx proxies |
| 12:52.48 | Godsey | Deeps: zfs pool moves are a beautiful thing |
| 12:53.38 | Megaf | Godsey, I don't know SmartOS itself, but I do know pretty well Solaris, OpenSolaris and OpenIndiana |
| 12:53.48 | Megaf | ZFS is a pretty neat thing |
| 12:53.54 | Godsey | smartos ported KVM to solaris |
| 12:54.15 | Godsey | it's a run from memory solaris that uses 100% of the host disk for vm hosting |
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| 12:54.25 | Godsey | boots from network/flash/cd etc.. no install |
| 12:54.51 | Megaf | so, your VMs are Zones based or KVM? |
| 12:55.00 | Godsey | first boot you tell it what disks to use and it's ip very basic, it creates a zpool named "zones" and stores the ip data and off you go :) |
| 12:55.08 | Godsey | I get 500 zones and 30 kvm per host |
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| 12:55.49 | Godsey | in realty the kvm hosts often have the public ip and run nginx |
| 12:55.56 | Godsey | and zones are worker containers |
| 12:56.43 | Godsey | smartos also added resource limits to zfs |
| 12:57.02 | Godsey | so you can say this zone gets x% slice of io when system is 100% busy |
| 12:57.14 | Godsey | 100% being equal share |
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| 12:57.42 | Godsey | it also runs kvm within a zone |
| 12:57.51 | Godsey | transparent tho |
| 12:58.02 | Megaf | Godsey, well, usually I use Debian GNU/Linux and OpenVZ |
| 12:58.14 | Megaf | pretty fantastic thing |
| 12:58.16 | Godsey | same thing |
| 12:58.20 | Megaf | almost 100% of isolation |
| 12:58.21 | Godsey | mostly :) |
| 12:58.26 | Megaf | just like Zones |
| 12:58.28 | Godsey | ya I moved to this from FreeBSD jails |
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| 12:59.32 | Megaf | I don't know what's better, Zones or OpenVZ, I think both are just brilliant. Zones has a slight advantage because of it's host OS that support ZFS |
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| 12:59.57 | Godsey | I hope oracle fixes that at some point |
| 13:00.09 | Godsey | make zfs gpl and let the magic rain |
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| 13:00.38 | Godsey | I love how resilient zfs raidz2 is |
| 13:00.52 | Godsey | you can literally have all of your disks slowly dying and not lose data (at same time) |
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| 13:02.08 | Godsey | or if for some reason you want to send a customer their backup :) |
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| 13:02.37 | fossrox | hi guys :) i've got a weird issue, executed 'apt-get purge nginx' and then 'rm -rf /etc/nginx' and now i cannot get back the default folders with 'apt-get install nginx' nor with 'aptitude install nginx' -- How can i recreate the default /etc/nginx/ content? |
| 13:02.46 | Godsey | zfs snapshot zones/d2ba0f30-bbe8-11e2-a9a2-6bc116856d85@backup |
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| 13:03.17 | Godsey | zfs send zones@d2ba0f30-bbe8-11e2-a9a2-6bc116856d85@backup | lzop -c9 > /zones/backup/d2ba0f30-bbe8-11e2-a9a2-6bc116856d85.lzop |
| 13:03.30 | x-s4nd3r | Is there a commandline to remove the first 5 lines from a .py file without using a editor? |
| 13:04.01 | Godsey | x-s4nd3r: wc -l the file to get count of lines, then tail -n that number-5 |
| 13:04.11 | jwinterm | first five lines |
| 13:04.12 | Godsey | there are better ways I'm sure |
| 13:04.14 | fossrox | x-s4nd3r: check out sed or write a simple py script :) |
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| 13:04.21 | x-s4nd3r | godsey; I am confused? |
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| 13:04.22 | daemonkeeper | What Godsey says. |
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| 13:04.34 | jwinterm | if you're using linux shell, then there's definitely a way |
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| 13:05.05 | x-s4nd3r | i wanna remove the first 15 lines. |
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| 13:08.35 | Godsey | perl -n -e 'print $_ unless $x++<5' numbers.txt > numbers_sansfirst5.txt |
| 13:09.03 | Godsey | change <5 to <15 to skip 15 lines (experiment first to make sure it's right) |
| 13:09.13 | ChrisH | Godsey: ZFS is really cool... I agree |
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| 13:11.10 | jelly | Godsey: $. or $NR (awk-like) counts the lines |
| 13:11.23 | Godsey | ya I don't know awk well |
| 13:11.25 | Godsey | sorry :) |
| 13:11.39 | Godsey | I think you can do it w/ sed replacing /^.*$/ first 5 times |
| 13:11.45 | Godsey | don't know it well either |
| 13:11.49 | jelly | no need to count them on your own |
| 13:11.50 | Godsey | perl is my goto for everything |
| 13:12.03 | Godsey | oh I see |
| 13:12.29 | jelly | ls -l |sed -n '5,15p' |
| 13:13.43 | Godsey | what is the 15p? |
| 13:14.03 | Godsey | mem hog to skip first and last 5 :) perl -e '@FILE=<>; print join("\n", map { chomp; $_ } @FILE[5..$#FILE-5]) . "\n";' numbers.txt |
| 13:14.50 | Godsey | oh skips last 15 nice |
| 13:14.50 | fossrox | Can anybody please answer to my question? running stable here |
| 13:15.16 | Godsey | oh it's a range |
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| 13:17.07 | Godsey | so to skip first 5 is simply: sed -n '6,$p' |
| 13:17.11 | Godsey | much easier thanks |
| 13:17.15 | Godsey | added to membanks :) |
| 13:17.25 | jelly | or tail -n +6 |
| 13:17.29 | jelly | or cake |
| 13:17.59 | Godsey | you.. I like you. |
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| 13:18.28 | jelly | blushes |
| 13:18.53 | Alina-malina | sorry i got keyboard problems |
| 13:19.14 | Alina-malina | NiLon, what would you recommmend instead of virtual machine? |
| 13:19.36 | Alina-malina | Godsey, what is exactly this LXC? |
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| 13:19.51 | Alina-malina | Godsey, does it have the features i need? |
| 13:20.00 | daemonkeeper | A chroot container |
| 13:20.03 | fossrox | x-s4nd3r: sed 1,15d <filename> > <filename> |
| 13:20.12 | Alina-malina | daaewell it will not hide my ip addres right? |
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| 13:20.22 | Alina-malina | i mean IP address of real machine |
| 13:20.23 | NiLon | Alina-malina it's really question if you need virtual machine or not. Simple solution would be just set it up in webserver and be done with it |
| 13:20.52 | Alina-malina | NiLon, i need it for hidiing my identity and use proxy from other country to access that website |
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| 13:21.16 | NiLon | Alina-malina then virtual server got nothing to do with your problem |
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| 13:22.12 | NiLon | webservers generally do support proxying so there's your solution regardless of your virtualization setup |
| 13:22.51 | Alina-malina | NiLon, yes but i want that virtual machine be isolated from real machine, for not being compromised or ddosed |
| 13:23.02 | NiLon | virtualization doesn't protect you from that |
| 13:23.14 | Alina-malina | i agree regarding Ddosing |
| 13:23.36 | Alina-malina | well i never done this before |
| 13:23.37 | fossrox | x-s4nd3r: actually better use <filename2> to not remove something what you need |
| 13:23.41 | Alina-malina | you are the boss:) |
| 13:24.12 | Alina-malina | i just read that for example on freebsd they jail the system, i asume that it is the same for debian lxc |
| 13:24.27 | boudiccas | how can I mount something like this 'mtp://[usb:001,022]/131074'? I can mount it in nemo and access its SD card, and its internal SD card, but it doesn't show up in 'mount' at the commandline |
| 13:25.00 | NiLon | jailing is fundamentally different from virtualization |
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| 13:25.25 | Alina-malina | NiLon, well is LXC = jailing? |
| 13:25.34 | NiLon | in virtualization you make up hardware while in jailing you basically you just prevent access to lower directory tree |
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| 13:25.41 | NiLon | no lxc is virtualization |
| 13:25.45 | Alina-malina | ok |
| 13:25.50 | Alina-malina | i need lxc then |
| 13:26.22 | NiLon | you could use both |
| 13:26.31 | NiLon | but neither solves your problem |
| 13:26.52 | petern_ | lxc is not virtualization |
| 13:26.53 | Alina-malina | NiLon, hmmm interesting |
| 13:26.54 | brontosaurusrex | and access to any binaries outside of jail |
| 13:27.12 | CissWit | Alina-malina: what is your need exactly ? |
| 13:27.36 | Alina-malina | CissWit, i have a website i want it to be installed on virtual machine and run over proxy |
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| 13:28.34 | Alina-malina | the physical machine (debian os) is located at my home |
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| 13:29.06 | NiLon | maybe you should start by telling your real problem |
| 13:29.20 | Alina-malina | ok |
| 13:29.20 | NiLon | you want to host website without showing your home ip address? |
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| 13:29.27 | Alina-malina | yes |
| 13:29.50 | NiLon | and how secure you need this to be? |
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| 13:29.50 | NiLon | NSA proof? |
| 13:29.51 | Alina-malina | NiLon, as much as possible |
| 13:29.55 | Alina-malina | wow yes:) |
| 13:29.56 | NiLon | proxy won't cut it |
| 13:30.02 | CissWit | Alina-malina: what is the purpose of the debian host today ? |
| 13:30.17 | Alina-malina | CissWit, it is just the os that i get used to it |
| 13:30.34 | Alina-malina | NiLon, what is your solution? |
| 13:30.51 | Alina-malina | NiLon, if the problem is only in proxy it is no problem |
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| 13:30.54 | NiLon | Alina-malina to buy vm from hosting company with fake id |
| 13:31.05 | Alina-malina | hmmmm no i am not doing anything illegal |
| 13:31.16 | NiLon | well I'm just going with NSA proof |
| 13:31.17 | Alina-malina | i just wan it to be "NSA proof" |
| 13:31.26 | Alina-malina | :) ok |
| 13:31.31 | CissWit | Alina-malina: do you need your website to be exposed on internet ? |
| 13:31.38 | CissWit | for anyone i mean, not just for you |
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| 13:32.20 | Alina-malina | CissWit, i want it be accessable over proxy, but secure from myside, no leaks or additional information revealed like errrors headers etc |
| 13:32.49 | CissWit | well, thats a matter of apache configuration, no vm will help |
| 13:33.00 | CissWit | where is the proxy host ? |
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| 13:33.03 | Alina-malina | CissWit, thats why i find the virtual machine the best for not revealking ip adddress |
| 13:33.25 | Alina-malina | you mean what country? |
| 13:33.44 | CissWit | virtual machine won't help there, you still need an ip for your virtual machine which will host the website, its not more secure than having an ip for your host (as long as the host is only used for this website) |
| 13:33.49 | Alina-malina | europe proxies |
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| 13:34.16 | Alina-malina | CissWit, yes the ip of my host will be localhost |
| 13:34.34 | Alina-malina | i mean guest -> localhost-> proxy server |
| 13:35.22 | Alina-malina | will this work? |
| 13:36.28 | Godsey | Alina-malina: for the reason stated this is a fools errand |
| 13:36.54 | Alina-malina | Godsey, what? |
| 13:37.01 | Godsey | Alina-malina: nsa proof? |
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| 13:37.19 | Alina-malina | Godsey, ok tell me your solution |
| 13:37.23 | Alina-malina | i just try my best |
| 13:37.28 | Alina-malina | i am not experience |
| 13:37.29 | Godsey | Alina-malina: this senario would be good for testing where you want public ip and cheap vm host |
| 13:37.39 | Godsey | but you want to run resource intensive applications locally |
| 13:37.44 | Godsey | you won't get nsa proof |
| 13:37.52 | Alina-malina | true |
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| 13:38.34 | Godsey | and I told you already |
| 13:38.44 | Godsey | run nginx on public vm, proxy port 80 -> 8080 |
| 13:38.59 | Godsey | have your local vm openssh forward public vm 8080 -> localhost 80 |
| 13:39.18 | Godsey | then on nginx have a timeout throw a error page "Backend Unreachable" or something if it times out |
| 13:39.23 | CissWit | Alina-malina: i don't understand what you want to protect, i just understand that you want to hide your ip address but it looks like you already have the proxy to do that |
| 13:39.37 | Alina-malina | Godsey, public vm? |
| 13:39.55 | Alina-malina | CissWit, ideally i would want both |
| 13:40.02 | ziyourenxiang | but he doesn't have a static IP on his home computer, so he still has to figure out how to tell his proxy that. |
| 13:40.05 | Godsey | Alina-malina: who is the audience for your project? the public internet? |
| 13:40.16 | Godsey | yes get a cheap vm on lowendbox.com or something |
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| 13:40.21 | Godsey | $5/mo vm somewhere |
| 13:40.29 | CissWit | Alina-malina: do both what ? |
| 13:40.42 | CissWit | *want both what |
| 13:40.43 | Alina-malina | CissWit, and security and hiding ip address |
| 13:40.47 | Godsey | or amazon ec2 whatever |
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| 13:40.56 | Godsey | you can't hide your ip |
| 13:41.36 | Alina-malina | Godsey, then what was the scheme you told me with nginx and port forwarding? |
| 13:41.45 | Godsey | well you can but it's beyond your ability and wouldn't be a proxy |
| 13:41.56 | CissWit | yes but security doesn't mean anything, if you need privacy for data or if you need your local network not being compromised or if you need secrecy, depending on your need the solution won't be the same |
| 13:41.59 | Alina-malina | Godsey, why it is beboyn my ability? |
| 13:42.15 | Alina-malina | *beyond |
| 13:42.17 | Godsey | because it involves travel, and open wifi |
| 13:42.36 | CissWit | for example hiding your ip adress won't add much security in protecting your data, it might help protecting your identity or your local network if done well |
| 13:42.37 | Godsey | and buying prepaid cards with cash where there is no camera |
| 13:42.39 | Alina-malina | Godsey, lol neighbourds internet?:) |
| 13:42.46 | Godsey | no, different state |
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| 13:42.58 | Godsey | if you are worried about the nsa you've already failed asking here :) |
| 13:43.06 | Alina-malina | lol |
| 13:43.15 | Alina-malina | Godsey, well i am not worried of nsa |
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| 13:43.37 | Alina-malina | but the best security tip would be awesome |
| 13:43.46 | Godsey | this isn't about security |
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| 13:43.56 | Alina-malina | data is also iimportant and runing website over proxy is also |
| 13:43.58 | grep0r | Alina-malina, thing about a VPN ? |
| 13:44.09 | grep0r | *think |
| 13:44.16 | guk | cant you simply run a website in the tor network ? |
| 13:44.17 | Alina-malina | grep0r, no VPN is not an option for me |
| 13:44.23 | Alina-malina | guk, hmmm? |
| 13:44.26 | guk | a .onion or whatever it is there is your security |
| 13:44.36 | Godsey | vpn / cheap vm accomplish same end |
| 13:44.39 | Alina-malina | guk, i dont know i never done that before nor familiar with that technologie |
| 13:44.50 | guk | yeah I just host everything on my IP loud and proud |
| 13:44.54 | Alina-malina | Godsey, you think vpn is good for my goal? |
| 13:45.01 | Godsey | I told you how I do it |
| 13:45.01 | ziyourenxiang | guk, i think this being 31 dec 2013, best to assume tor is compromised. |
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| 13:45.09 | Alina-malina | Godsey, ok |
| 13:45.10 | CissWit | Alina-malina: you didn't explained your goal exactly so its hard to tell |
| 13:45.17 | guk | basic throttle on ssh connections, keep up with your scripts/external facing stuff and ensure your passwords are tight |
| 13:45.25 | Alina-malina | CissWit, i did |
| 13:45.28 | guk | *shrug* |
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| 13:45.31 | CissWit | you said you wanted a proxy which is obviously not a goal as a proxy is only a mean to achieve something |
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| 13:45.33 | Alina-malina | guk, please tell me more details |
| 13:45.34 | Godsey | I use autossh to keep the ssh forward up |
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| 13:46.06 | Godsey | but it's for practical purposes not security related |
| 13:46.06 | Alina-malina | Godsey, you forward ssh? |
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| 13:46.25 | icesword | hello |
| 13:46.27 | grep0r | Alina-malina, you could do it with vpn or ssh tbh |
| 13:46.38 | icesword | happy new year guys |
| 13:46.42 | Alina-malina | grep0r, well my visitors need vpn? |
| 13:46.44 | CissWit | grep0r: she can't if she needs to expose her website to internet |
| 13:46.46 | guk | well, telling you details wont get you very far from the 30 seconds of dialog ive read from you ... you need to learn some TCP basics and how it all works. |
| 13:46.50 | Godsey | ssh works better for me in that it returns a not available page if my backeds are down |
| 13:46.58 | Godsey | you can also have it cache static content at edge |
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| 13:47.11 | Alina-malina | guk, i have heared about tor networking |
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| 13:47.14 | guk | we are talking firewalls, and other things that can get quite complex esp if you dont understand why its working. im not getting into that if you cant google it yeah ... its not my problem |
| 13:47.18 | guk | lol |
| 13:47.22 | icesword | why no one say happy new year in here |
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| 13:47.47 | icesword | ! happy new year |
| 13:47.47 | dpkg | happy gnu year, icesword |
| 13:47.48 | Alina-malina | icesword, happy new year :) |
| 13:47.56 | guk | 8:47AM EST Dec 31'st here son |
| 13:47.57 | Godsey | it's not the 1st for me :) |
| 13:47.58 | grep0r | icesword, happy new year! |
| 13:48.01 | guk | no new years for a bit lol |
| 13:48.03 | icesword | heh thx |
| 13:48.07 | Godsey | I live relativly close to guk it seems |
| 13:48.34 | Alina-malina | guk, come on tell me your aproach |
| 13:48.36 | Godsey | creeks on guk |
| 13:48.41 | Godsey | er creeps even :) |
| 13:48.49 | grep0r | Alina-malina, well what exactly you want to do run web at home and visitors have ip from a server? |
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| 13:48.52 | Alina-malina | Godsey, so with your mechanism it will not hide any data? |
| 13:48.58 | CissWit | Alina-malina: for example, why do you need your ip to be hidden ? that's usually not security at all to hide ip address has random bots on internet will find it anyway |
| 13:49.04 | Godsey | Alina-malina: honestly I don't think you know what you want |
| 13:49.13 | Alina-malina | Godsey, no i do want |
| 13:49.14 | Alina-malina | :) |
| 13:49.23 | Alina-malina | Godsey, i have a forum |
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| 13:49.28 | Alina-malina | i want to run it from my computer |
| 13:49.36 | Alina-malina | but with hiding my ip address |
| 13:49.38 | Alina-malina | over proxy server |
| 13:49.44 | Alina-malina | thats it |
| 13:50.00 | grep0r | why not run it under a server? (a cheap one or something) |
| 13:50.08 | guk | there is none, fire up a web server, keep your software upto date (lamp backend and website frontend) and your usually good to go |
| 13:50.08 | Godsey | so take any number of solutions you've received here and do it |
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| 13:50.39 | guk | if your keeping SSH open to the wild make sure to use something like fail2ban to kick off people trying to "bruteforce" your services |
| 13:50.40 | Godsey | I'd recomend looking into openresty as the webserver |
| 13:50.47 | Godsey | it's a packaged nginx bundle |
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| 13:50.59 | x-s4nd3r | There is a .txt file and I believe it has over 200,000 lines, but I'd like to do one thing...I want to add kakachaka@hotmail.com::(line here) to it, I want to add kakachaka@hotmail.com:: to every line, is this...possible? |
| 13:51.00 | Godsey | you can implement some interesting url security features w/ lua easily |
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| 13:51.16 | Alina-malina | Godsey, interesting |
| 13:51.34 | Godsey | x-s4nd3r: cat file | awk '{print "kakachaka@hotmail.com::"$0}' |
| 13:51.37 | cunrad44 | Good new year! But New Year's Day was 10 days ago (2013-12-21) according to my Aldatal44, a solar not-calendar.. |
| 13:51.45 | Alina-malina | Godsey, your solution you mentioned, what does it exactly? |
| 13:51.49 | Alina-malina | Godsey, i like that idea |
| 13:51.59 | Alina-malina | it is basically proxy server right? |
| 13:52.06 | CissWit | Alina-malina: all you really need to do is having a *dedicated* host for hosting your webserver (either a physical host or a virtualized host, it doesn't matter), isolate it from the rest of your internal network with good firewalling. Even with your ip address exposed you will be safe |
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| 13:52.18 | Agd_Scorp | There is a .txt file and I believe it has over 200,000 lines, but I'd like to do one thing...I want to add kakachaka@hotmail.com::(line here) to it, I want to add kakachaka@hotmail.com:: to every line, is this...possible? |
| 13:52.29 | CissWit | if you need to hide it, then configure your proxy server, only allow this proxy server to connect to your webserver with good firewalling, and you are good to go |
| 13:52.30 | Alina-malina | CissWit, exactly |
| 13:52.32 | Godsey | Agd_Scorp: x-s4nd3r (~VitoCorle@unaffiliated/x-s4nd3r) has quit (Quit: FUCK YOU ALL.) |
| 13:52.34 | Godsey | got it thanks |
| 13:52.53 | CissWit | but the first step is theexact same |
| 13:53.10 | CissWit | you need to expose it to internet, even if you filter it to only allow the proxy server to connect |
| 13:53.18 | Godsey | don't let anything hit your local server |
| 13:53.24 | Godsey | do it over ssh only and bam |
| 13:53.26 | CissWit | so you need to expose your ip address, at least to this proxy |
| 13:53.39 | Godsey | and only expose port 80 to the world on public vm |
| 13:53.47 | Godsey | you'll want to auto block ssh scans too |
| 13:54.08 | CissWit | she didnt' say she needs to expose ssh |
| 13:54.18 | CissWit | its a server at home, she can configure and administrate it from home |
| 13:54.30 | Alina-malina | CissWit, yes i dont need ssh |
| 13:54.37 | Godsey | if they use the public vm they'll want ssh open |
| 13:54.40 | Godsey | on public vm |
| 13:54.42 | Godsey | to setup the ssh tunnel |
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| 13:55.04 | CissWit | no, i don't understand why you need ssh to expose a webserver |
| 13:55.07 | CissWit | really |
| 13:55.07 | Alina-malina | omg so much information i need to read ait again |
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| 13:55.42 | grep0r | Alina-malina, btw does your home connection can affort the server load? |
| 13:55.46 | Alina-malina | public vm is it possible to get root access to it? or it is jus tlike shared hosting or something? |
| 13:55.54 | Godsey | Alina-malina: yes. |
| 13:55.59 | CissWit | Alina-malina: just read what i just said, you don't need much information if you planned to manage it from home and doesn't mind if you can't remotly manage your server, thats a second step in how you open your local network to allow remote configuration, but tahts a completly different problem |
| 13:56.14 | Godsey | you can get them for $5/mo or less |
| 13:56.32 | Godsey | I wouldn't open anything on local network |
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| 13:56.37 | Alina-malina | Godsey, and install any server on it without restrictions? |
| 13:56.41 | Godsey | I wouldn't allow any connections in |
| 13:56.50 | Godsey | Alina-malina: well for $5/mo they're pretty low end and shitty |
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| 13:57.00 | Godsey | but enough to transit traffic to/from your house probably |
| 13:57.05 | Alina-malina | Godsey, if i use it as additional proxy server |
| 13:57.08 | grep0r | for a low level forum would not be a problem tbh |
| 13:57.45 | Godsey | but you also have problem when you host on the $5 host if it gets cracked you will expose data |
| 13:57.47 | Alina-malina | anyway i still not get the first part like if i sould use LXC or someting? |
| 13:58.04 | Godsey | bit harder if only attach channel is via http |
| 13:58.12 | CissWit | Alina-malina: once again, you just need to isolate the host from the rest of your internal network |
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| 13:58.19 | CissWit | you can isolate a physical host |
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| 13:58.24 | Alina-malina | CissWit, yes but how? |
| 13:58.33 | Alina-malina | what is the best practical solution for that? |
| 13:58.36 | Godsey | Alina-malina: is linux your desktop os? |
| 13:58.41 | Alina-malina | yes |
| 13:58.49 | CissWit | just look at firewalling and isolating host on the internet |
| 13:58.57 | Godsey | so you can pick from lxc, kvm, or even virtualbox i think |
| 13:59.16 | CissWit | you need to firewall it so it can't access anything else that the proxy server |
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| 13:59.44 | Alina-malina | CissWit, ok need to try and hardening, lots of work to do:) but i will make it |
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| 13:59.52 | Godsey | yes allow only established connections and nothing TO your lan |
| 13:59.58 | CissWit | you can use a physical host to firewall a virtual machine, thats could be a good reason to use a virtual machine |
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| 14:00.41 | Godsey | you could limit it to only making ssh connections to the public vm |
| 14:00.50 | Godsey | but that'll make updating software a pain :) |
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| 14:01.13 | CissWit | you sure love ssh |
| 14:01.33 | Godsey | and how do you propose they have someone access their site? |
| 14:01.40 | Alina-malina | what about guks solution? is that saver? |
| 14:01.55 | Alina-malina | *safer |
| 14:02.01 | CissWit | what was it ? |
| 14:02.07 | Alina-malina | route it over tor |
| 14:02.31 | Alina-malina | like i underrstand it was virtual machine and something with tor, but i am nto sure if i uderstand exactly |
| 14:02.33 | CissWit | yeah but you need to have your visitor connect to tor |
| 14:02.48 | CissWit | so its probably not what you want |
| 14:02.53 | ziyourenxiang | Alina-malina: not to be harsh, but if you don't know what you're doing, then simpler is safer. |
| 14:03.20 | Alina-malina | ziyourenxiang, you mean tor is safer or the solution i already get from CissWit and Godsey |
| 14:03.22 | Alina-malina | ? |
| 14:03.30 | Godsey | Alina-malina: do you already have your forum running? |
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| 14:03.59 | Alina-malina | Godsey, it is localy running |
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| 14:04.12 | Alina-malina | only me have acccess to it |
| 14:04.15 | Megaf | Godsey, what forum? |
| 14:04.21 | Alina-malina | Megaf, my website |
| 14:04.25 | Megaf | I used to have a PhpBB forum |
| 14:04.45 | Godsey | on your local system right? not within another vm |
| 14:04.52 | Alina-malina | Godsey, no |
| 14:04.56 | Alina-malina | Godsey, locally |
| 14:05.20 | Godsey | so in my soltuion you'd get a $5 vm lets call it public-vm w/ ip 1.2.3.4 |
| 14:05.30 | Alina-malina | ok |
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| 14:05.41 | Godsey | on your local machine (if forum is on port 80) |
| 14:06.09 | Alina-malina | yes |
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| 14:06.34 | Godsey | ssh -R 8080:127.0.0.1:80 user@1.2.3.4 |
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| 14:06.41 | Godsey | (use auto ssh really) |
| 14:07.03 | Godsey | then on 1.2.3.4 setup varnish or nginx to proxy local port 8080 to public port 80 |
| 14:08.36 | Alina-malina | Godsey, what ip address i am going to give to 1.2.3.4 machine? mine? |
| 14:08.48 | Godsey | 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:08.57 | Godsey | if your local webserver listens on it |
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| 14:09.11 | Godsey | ssh -R 8080:0.0.0.0:80 user@1.2.3.4 would probably work too |
| 14:09.16 | CissWit | if you have root access on the proxy then Godsey solution is good indeed |
| 14:09.25 | Godsey | you don't need root to forward port 8080 |
| 14:09.55 | Godsey | and all vm hosts give you root |
| 14:10.41 | Alina-malina | hmmm not quete understand let me read it again, the part of my machine ip address how the remote 5$ knows about it |
| 14:10.45 | Godsey | more detail is you'll probably want to use fast ciphers, hashes, and compression for ssh |
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| 14:10.47 | Alina-malina | Godsey, it is dunamic |
| 14:10.54 | ziyourenxiang | gives godsey thumbs-up for his patience. |
| 14:11.00 | Godsey | the remote server doesn't need your ip |
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| 14:11.08 | Godsey | but you need to connect to it |
| 14:11.09 | Alina-malina | Godsey, oh ok |
| 14:11.12 | Alina-malina | okok |
| 14:11.15 | Alina-malina | i got it |
| 14:11.20 | Godsey | that's where the 8080 -> 80 locally comes in |
| 14:11.22 | Alina-malina | thank you for patients |
| 14:11.23 | Alina-malina | :) |
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| 14:11.27 | Godsey | 8080 doesn't listen when you're not connected |
| 14:11.28 | Alina-malina | *patience |
| 14:11.38 | Alina-malina | super |
| 14:11.42 | CissWit | id use a vpn for better performance, tcp over tcp sucks (openvpn is quite easy to configure) |
| 14:11.43 | Godsey | I started an isp in 1994.. I've mastered patience |
| 14:11.50 | Alina-malina | you are really God:) |
| 14:12.08 | Godsey | well I wouldn't use openvpn because that involves routing |
| 14:12.29 | Godsey | you could use another port forwarder that uses udp |
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| 14:12.43 | Alina-malina | Godsey, http over udp? |
| 14:12.44 | Riviera | x-s4nd3r: Please don't write email addresses into the channel. |
| 14:13.35 | ziyourenxiang | Riviera: maybe he is using that address as his "sender" address for his 200000 recipients. |
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| 14:13.39 | Godsey | Alina-malina: there are many solutions and packet loss on ssh would be a problem |
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| 14:14.07 | Godsey | Alina-malina: could be a problem, but really if you enable static cache on varnish or nginx it shouldn't be an issue |
| 14:14.09 | CissWit | Alina-malina: just begin with Godsey solution and if you have performances issue you can think about changing it latter |
| 14:14.23 | CissWit | its not a big deal and tahts probably the simplest way |
| 14:14.37 | Alina-malina | omg get so much information and learn so much:)) Godsey melt my mind:))) Thank you so much |
| 14:14.41 | Alina-malina | thanks to everyone |
| 14:14.42 | Godsey | you could use netcat but that involves opening up port forwarding on your nat to your ip |
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| 14:15.14 | CissWit | Godsey: you can just do with netcat without port forwarding |
| 14:15.20 | Alina-malina | Godsey, hmmmm netcat awesoem |
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| 14:15.40 | CissWit | Alina-malina: just remember ssh port forwarding, thats what you should use |
| 14:15.43 | Godsey | but that's even worse than just ssh :) |
| 14:15.51 | Godsey | becuse then any hiccup propigates to users |
| 14:15.55 | Godsey | ugh can't spell today |
| 14:16.18 | Alina-malina | ssh would be fine i guess:) |
| 14:16.25 | Godsey | also you could open 5 auto ssh connections |
| 14:16.34 | Godsey | and load balance over them :) |
| 14:16.57 | Alina-malina | omg you are conductor!! |
| 14:17.05 | Godsey | I do that only not to same backend host |
| 14:17.47 | Alina-malina | i can have like 5 computers at home and split the website between them right? |
| 14:17.52 | Godsey | yes |
| 14:17.56 | Alina-malina | omg |
| 14:18.05 | Godsey | you would have each use another port like 8080, 8081, 8082 |
| 14:18.19 | Godsey | and then varnish would load balance 80 -> the list of them |
| 14:18.31 | Godsey | you want soft fail over too |
| 14:18.40 | Godsey | so backend failures are transparent to the user |
| 14:18.52 | Alina-malina | ah |
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| 14:18.58 | Godsey | I use nginx for it sorry not varnish |
| 14:19.04 | Godsey | and I include a X-Health: header |
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| 14:19.32 | Alina-malina | x-health? |
| 14:19.50 | Godsey | if the load balancer fails a backend the X-Health: 1.2.3.4:8080, 1.2.3.4:8082 reports any hosts it failed to connect to for that request |
| 14:19.57 | Godsey | and my backend servers watch for it and alert |
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| 14:20.18 | Godsey | that way the load balancer is mostly hands free and I don't have to run any cron jobs or reporting on it directly |
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| 14:20.58 | Godsey | that's beyond the scope of your task tho :) |
| 14:21.01 | Alina-malina | :) |
| 14:21.04 | Godsey | I have lots of lua magic going on |
| 14:21.13 | Alina-malina | yes i already get so much magic:) |
| 14:21.21 | Alina-malina | i need to sit down and try all or your recommendations |
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| 14:22.14 | Godsey | make honeypot urls and have lua auto block |
| 14:22.33 | Alina-malina | honeypot urls? |
| 14:22.54 | Godsey | in your source put some hidden links to a dummy mysql admin |
| 14:23.13 | Godsey | basically wget -O index.html a real mysql admin page |
| 14:23.24 | Godsey | then anyone who tries to enter login info gets blocked |
| 14:23.40 | Alina-malina | oh |
| 14:23.42 | Alina-malina | get that |
| 14:25.53 | Godsey | http://www.modsecurity.org/projects/modsecurity/nginx/index.html |
| 14:25.57 | Godsey | that's pretty neat too |
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| 14:26.33 | Alina-malina | you mean instaed of ssh connection use that? |
| 14:26.43 | Godsey | no, within the nginx proxy |
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| 14:27.32 | Alina-malina | oh ok, so anyone who access the 5$ public server they will not get any ips etc etc of me :) |
| 14:27.48 | Godsey | well it catches people trying to do url manipulation |
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| 14:27.59 | Godsey | or uploading images that have shellcode in them |
| 14:28.26 | Godsey | a little padding between public and your backend |
| 14:28.39 | Godsey | it's likely your forum software is the weakest link however |
| 14:29.17 | Alina-malina | Godsey, what you mean? |
| 14:29.26 | Alina-malina | what is weakest link? |
| 14:29.44 | Godsey | it probably has security problems in it's own codebase |
| 14:29.52 | wols | the php software running on your webserver. which will be subverted at which point all this stupid, OT debian IP hiding won't help |
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| 14:30.03 | wols | Alina-malina: #networking, not #debian |
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| 14:31.01 | Alina-malina | Godsey, ok thanks for that tip as well, i will think about it as well |
| 14:31.25 | Godsey | Alina-malina: remember if it has something to do w/ computers it's probably easy and just need a plan :) |
| 14:31.51 | Alina-malina | Godsey, thank you so much, i already get so much interesting tips |
| 14:31.54 | Alina-malina | from you today |
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| 15:22.01 | val_erie | I try to connect to remote host files through ssh using nautilus, and I get this error: please verify your user details, although I can connect through ssh to the same host using terminal without problem. I can also connect to other remote servers with nautilus. |
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| 15:24.31 | Deeps | daemonkeeper, jelly, petn-randall: thanks for your assistance earlier, have guacamole working nicely now. if you're interested in seeing it in action, pm me and i'll share creds. (guacamole is a vnc/rdp/ssh <> hmtl5 gateway, allowing modern webkit browers to remote desktop without any additional plugins. works great from an ipad too!) |
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| 15:27.35 | val_erie | now I managed to connect to regular user on remote server through ssh with nautilus, but I have still the same problem connecting to root. Anything I can do to connect to root user through nautilus? |
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| 15:44.01 | tachyons | how to change pkg-config path in debian packaging |
| 15:44.15 | tachyons | ie where to add export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig |
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| 16:02.44 | hackGyver | hi everyone, i have a problem with a packet who doesnt want to install |
| 16:03.03 | hackGyver | dpkg: erreur de traitement de /var/cache/apt/archives/libnfc5_1.7.0-3kali1_amd64.deb (--unpack) : |
| 16:03.04 | hackGyver | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.04 | hackGyver | Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution : |
| 16:03.04 | hackGyver | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.04 | hackGyver | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:03.04 | dpkg | hackGyver: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 16:03.34 | hackGyver | sorry |
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| 16:03.49 | Shadow` | use a pastebin |
| 16:04.11 | hackGyver | http://pastebin.com/6Rj7SBsp |
| 16:04.13 | hackGyver | yes thx |
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| 16:07.01 | teclo- | 6 |
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| 16:07.06 | stew | hackGyver: what distro are you running? |
| 16:07.15 | hackGyver | debian |
| 16:07.26 | teclo- | Hi what are the advantages of using ext4 instead of ext3 ? |
| 16:07.29 | stew | hackGyver: where did this version of libnfc5 come from? |
| 16:07.50 | hackGyver | i dont know, it's come from an apt-get update then upgrade |
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| 16:08.07 | stew | judd: versions libnfc5 |
| 16:08.08 | judd | Package: libnfc5 on i386 -- jessie: 1.7.0-3; sid: 1.7.0-3 |
| 16:08.31 | stew | no 1.7.0-3kali1, just 1.7.0-3 |
| 16:08.39 | wols | hackGyver: aren't you running kali linux? |
| 16:08.45 | hackGyver | yes |
| 16:08.50 | wols | !kali |
| 16:08.51 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 16:08.51 | stew | hackGyver: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy" (in pastebin or similar)? |
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| 16:09.22 | hackGyver | yes i will |
| 16:10.04 | stew | seeing "kali" in the revision does make it sound likely that you are running kali and not debian |
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| 16:10.33 | hackGyver | http://pastebin.com/2yijDtVF |
| 16:10.38 | hackGyver | yes its kali |
| 16:10.48 | stew | hackGyver: right, then you should be asking in #kali-linux |
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| 16:12.12 | hackGyver | stew, ok, no way to force other packets to update ? |
| 16:12.31 | stew | um, sure, but I'd not advise that |
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| 16:12.45 | hackGyver | or force to unistall maybe libnfc3, because its write that its in conflict with libnfc5 |
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| 16:13.01 | stew | hackGyver: ask #linux-kali |
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| 16:13.09 | stew | or check their bug tracker |
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| 16:24.47 | un214 | are there debian packages for newer versions of wine? |
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| 16:25.13 | b0ss_ | hi guys! Happy new year for those already in 2014. |
| 16:25.14 | iceroot | un214: have a look at "playonlinux" |
| 16:25.27 | iceroot | un214: much easier then installing a wine version from sid or something like that |
| 16:26.02 | nkuttler | ,v wine |
| 16:26.03 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; jessie: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; sid: 1.6.1-10 |
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| 16:26.31 | jelly-home | ooh, 1.6 |
| 16:26.35 | un214 | well I want 1.7.9 anyway |
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| 16:26.45 | iceroot | un214: playonlinux |
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| 16:27.54 | nkuttler | un214: that's not even released yet. anyway |
| 16:28.10 | un214 | nkuttler: http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.7.9 |
| 16:28.19 | nkuttler | un214: yes, read it |
| 16:28.43 | nkuttler | un214: "development release" |
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| 16:28.49 | un214 | yeah I know |
| 16:29.11 | un214 | I want to try a current version before reporting a bug |
| 16:29.26 | nkuttler | un214: then you probably want to build from sources anyway |
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| 16:30.04 | Deeps | dpkg: tell un214 about uupdate |
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| 16:30.48 | iceroot | seems like noone is listening to me... http://www.playonlinux.com/w/wine-1.7.9 |
| 16:31.06 | iceroot | sudo apt-get install playonlinux and then pick up the wine version(s) you want |
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| 16:31.19 | Deeps | :> |
| 16:31.19 | jelly-home | that'd be too easy! |
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| 16:31.34 | iceroot | of course it would be to easy :) |
| 16:31.45 | jelly-home | nkuttler: all odd minor number releases are development |
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| 16:32.08 | jelly-home | waiting for 1.8 would be a long, long time |
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| 16:32.25 | un214 | hmmm: E: Build-Depends dependency for wine cannot be satisfied because candidate version of package libfreetype6-dev can't satisfy version requirements |
| 16:32.33 | un214 | what the heck did I do wrong? |
| 16:32.53 | jelly-home | ,checkport --from-release=sid wine |
| 16:32.58 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport --from-release=sid wine |
| 16:33.00 | judd | No package named '--from-release=sid' was found in sid/i386. |
| 16:33.31 | iceroot | hm, ok i give happy. happy new year :) |
| 16:33.32 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport --fromrelease sid wine |
| 16:33.33 | judd | No package named '--fromrelease' was found in sid/i386. |
| 16:33.39 | jelly-home | gives up |
| 16:33.54 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport wine --fromrelease sid |
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| 16:34.12 | judd | Backporting package wine in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libfreetype6-dev (>= 2.5.1). |
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| 16:34.48 | jelly-home | un214: you could try to ignore it and "fix" the control file, or you could try and backport libfreetype first |
| 16:34.50 | un214 | shouldn't apt-get build-dep wine get the ones used to compile the current wine? |
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| 16:35.05 | jelly-home | and it does |
| 16:35.12 | jelly-home | ... if it can |
| 16:35.15 | un214 | that's what generated that error |
| 16:35.26 | un214 | the wine installed should be from wheezy's repository |
| 16:35.40 | b0ss_ | I've got no space left under rootfs. Here are the ls commands outcome : http://pastebin.com/idGQ0r9n However I need to mount my usb stick / flash drive and I need to install Oracle's JDK 7 under /opt and the system keeps telling me "there's no space left" in no time ! |
| 16:36.01 | un214 | b0ss_: what does df say? |
| 16:36.06 | jelly-home | un214: build-dep checks the deb-src, and you have deb-src fir sid enabled. That one needs newer freetype than what's in wheezy. |
| 16:36.19 | k1lled | hey guys, my english is not good, but i have a one quiest.. i have laptop HP DV6-2010eq and i FN buttons for music player. I installed on my laptop Kwheezy 1.4... but i cant make this buttons work with Clementine? i have buttuons for global options(+/- sound, mute, Wifi[on/off]) who work. |
| 16:36.20 | b0ss_ | un214: it's on the pastebin |
| 16:36.23 | un214 | ah that's the problem I do have a deb-src for sid |
| 16:36.27 | k1lled | but this for audio players dont work.. |
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| 16:36.59 | jelly-home | un214: that's not the problem, that's the prequisite to try building something from sid sources |
| 16:37.22 | jhutchins | k1lled: Clementine doesn't know you have an HP keyboard. |
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| 16:37.51 | jhutchins | k1lled: You can use xev to find out what keycode those keys send, and you might be able to get Clementine to respond to that keycode. |
| 16:38.00 | un214 | I suspect that it's only a prerequesite because that's the version sid has |
| 16:38.07 | z8z | surfing the web i got confused about wheezy iceweasel 24 plan. Is it going to be released to debian 7 as stable or not? |
| 16:38.25 | k1lled | i have another one keyboard.. not built-in in laptop |
| 16:38.31 | un214 | b0ss_: df not du |
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| 16:38.48 | k1lled | and that keyboard have again pause/play, stop buttons who dont work |
| 16:39.17 | b0ss_ | un214: df outcome: http://pastebin.com/ujBZebTW |
| 16:39.17 | k1lled | how i can check what exacly send this buttons, and make clementine respond |
| 16:39.18 | k1lled | ? |
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| 16:40.02 | jhutchins | k1lled: Right, because those aren't standard keys, while the volume/mute keys, some "sleep" keys, and a few others have been standardized so the Desktop recognizes them. |
| 16:40.26 | un214 | yup that shut the error up |
| 16:40.51 | jelly-home | k1lled: xev |
| 16:41.01 | k1lled | xev... i must read what doing it |
| 16:41.06 | jhutchins | k1lled: This keyboard has play/pause, mute, volume, mail, home, calc, and power, but even Windows doesn't recognise them without a driver. |
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| 16:41.32 | k1lled | yeah windows wihtout driver cant, i need manualy install |
| 16:41.47 | k1lled | here .. only for music player dont works buttons, global buttons work |
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| 16:42.12 | jhutchins | k1lled: There is a "hotkeys" package that might work for you. |
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| 16:42.16 | k1lled | like lights +/-, open browser/email/ mute[on/off] .. sound +/- |
| 16:42.29 | k1lled | mhmm |
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| 16:42.52 | un214 | I'm going to try to make a wine 1.7.9 with current libfreetype |
| 16:43.00 | jhutchins | The documentation for Clementine might have some info on getting them to work. See also /usr/share/doc/clementine* |
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| 16:43.30 | k1lled | jhutchins: i think to try with "hotkeys" first, after this i will read more about clementine |
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| 16:43.42 | k1lled | if i dont fix it, i will write again here |
| 16:43.43 | k1lled | tnx |
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| 16:46.44 | k1lled | actualy now i saw, i have kwheesy keyboard selector..... but i am not sure that will help me for this buttons |
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| 16:47.49 | bl4ckdu5t | I downloaded pure-ftpd, how can I set up FTP accounts? |
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| 16:48.41 | wols | by default system accounts are ftp accounts afaik |
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| 16:52.39 | bl4ckdu5t | wols thanks! I tried 'sudo service ftp status' and it wasn't recognized. What's the name of the pure-ftpd service? |
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| 16:55.18 | a1fa | hello, are there precomiled modules for ip_set? |
| 16:55.41 | a1fa | (6.0.8) |
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| 16:56.18 | un214 | uupdate failed |
| 16:56.19 | un214 | the debian patches don't apply |
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| 16:56.55 | un214 | your root partition is almost full |
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| 16:57.19 | un214 | b0ss_: your root partition is almost full |
| 16:57.20 | un214 | that's the problem |
| 16:57.45 | bl4ckdu5t | how can I start or stop pure-ftpd service? |
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| 16:59.59 | LtL | bl4ckdu5t: try /usr/local/sbin/pure-ftpd |
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| 17:02.44 | geothom | happy new year everyone |
| 17:02.53 | bl4ckdu5t | LtL: I thought it will be something like 'sudo service pure-ftpd start/stop/status' |
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| 17:03.57 | wols | bl4ckdu5t: ls /etc/init.d/*ftp* |
| 17:04.05 | LtL | bl4ckdu5t: depends how its installed, you better read the docs |
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| 17:04.17 | bl4ckdu5t | I don't have ftpd installed yet because synaptic says it's recommended to use pure-ftpd |
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| 17:08.37 | wols | bl4ckdu5t: why would synaptic recommend packages? |
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| 17:08.42 | wols | makes no sense |
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| 17:11.55 | bl4ckdu5t | By clicking ftpd in synaptic, the description there was that 'You are recommended to use one of its alternatives, such as vsftpd, proftpd, or pure-ftpd.' |
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| 17:12.46 | Deeps | ,checkbackport duo-unix |
| 17:12.52 | judd | Backporting package duo-unix in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual. |
| 17:13.01 | Deeps | lies! |
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| 17:16.30 | dreamon_ | is there a tool for wlan configuration-too in console-mode out there? |
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| 17:20.03 | bbtech | I'm using xfce, isn't there supposed to be an app in the tray for managing wireless connections? What app is it? |
| 17:20.48 | bl4ckdu5t | bbtech: you can use wicd |
| 17:21.00 | Sevet | dreamon_: iwlist and iwconfig |
| 17:21.06 | bbtech | bl4ckdu5t, thanks! |
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| 17:24.01 | dreamon_ | thanks |
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| 17:28.10 | jhutchins | bbtech: I have an applet on my xfce, I can check in a bit. |
| 17:28.32 | jhutchins | bbtech: I believe you can use the gnome or kde applets, but I'm not sure which pulls fewer dependencies. |
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| 17:29.35 | bbtech | jhutchins, I think wicd has a UI doesn't it? |
| 17:30.33 | jhutchins | bbtech: wicd doesn't tend to see my wifi adapters. Be sure to remove network-manager if you use wicd. |
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| 17:31.07 | jhutchins | bbtech: I'm not sure where this applet came from. |
| 17:31.15 | jhutchins | bbtech: I do have kde stuff installed. |
| 17:31.49 | bbtech | hmm, I thought xfce installed a UI program by default. |
| 17:31.56 | wols | bbtech: ncurses |
| 17:32.47 | Bronze | nfoiled nagain |
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| 17:35.14 | k1lled | hey guys, i use xev and .. when i click button for play/pause from my non-built-in keyboard ... xev show this: http://www.privatepaste.com/53529292b3 |
| 17:36.06 | bbtech | ok, I'm totally confused |
| 17:36.18 | bbtech | I just want a wireless app in my task bar : / |
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| 17:37.48 | bbtech | maybe it is "network-manager" but it's not showing up in my tray. |
| 17:38.04 | wols | it's "nm-applet" iirc |
| 17:38.26 | wols | also it will not show up in tasklist but only via ps aux. network-manager or so it is there |
| 17:38.40 | wols | nm-applet is just a frontend to the backend daemon |
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| 17:40.43 | mtn | k1lled: if it helps, you are not alone. I have the same issue and do do others: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=731030 |
| 17:40.45 | bbtech | wols, I can't find "nm-applet" in aptitude |
| 17:40.49 | mtn | do/so |
| 17:41.50 | mtn | bbtech: alt+F2 and run nm-applet |
| 17:42.26 | bbtech | mtn, oh thanks! I feel stupid |
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| 17:43.31 | k1lled | mtn: i read .. but i dont saw soliution 0.o |
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| 17:44.38 | mtn | k1lled: there isn't one. they still have not fixed the bug. on my computer other music players (rhythmbox) work fine with the keys. |
| 17:47.04 | k1lled | i listen internet radio in player, and i sometimes pause/play it... but i dont know whym, when i install rhythmbox, cant start my radio.. |
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| 17:53.03 | k1lled | i click add new file, in rthythmbox, i choose my .pls file with radio.. and nothing, like i never do that |
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| 18:08.58 | WilliamDotSI | im adding 1024 IPv4 ips on a bridge on 2.6.32 |
| 18:09.01 | WilliamDotSI | any issues to be expected? |
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| 18:09.17 | WilliamDotSI | my router/switches have large enough arp for it and the network card is a intel desktop one |
| 18:09.27 | WilliamDotSI | (Squeeze) |
| 18:10.01 | b0ss_ | I need to mount my usb stick but my rootfs is full and the system keep saying "there is no space left" . Here http://pastebin.com/idGQ0r9n and here http://pastebin.com/ujBZebTW |
| 18:10.24 | mtn | b0ss_: so make some more room ;) |
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| 18:13.59 | b0ss_ | mtn: and how am I supposed to do so ? |
| 18:14.45 | b0ss_ | the /opt holds Google Chrome files while /lib holds a lot of important stuff |
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| 18:15.43 | linuxuz3r | happy new year |
| 18:16.15 | mtn | b0ss_: I think there is a apt command to empty the apt cache, but I don't remember it. man apt would be a good place to start or google. |
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| 18:17.19 | rryoumaa | b0ss_: you can compress log files or something |
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| 18:21.29 | stew | cache and log files are both in /var |
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| 18:21.51 | stew | b0ss_: do you have old kerenels installed which you no longer need (that would be taking up room in /lib/modules) |
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| 18:22.25 | b0ss_ | mtn: I already tried apt-get clean and it released only 1 MB |
| 18:22.40 | b0ss_ | rryoumma: compress log files ? |
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| 18:23.53 | b0ss_ | stew: I just installed Wheezy 7.3 yesterday |
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| 18:25.50 | stew | sounds like you want to move the stuff out of /opt |
| 18:25.55 | mtn | b0ss_: why not reinstall and give it enough space this time? |
| 18:26.01 | stew | or move /opt to a now partition |
| 18:26.09 | stew | or yeah, resize / |
| 18:26.10 | mtn | b0ss_: you are just going to keep having this problem |
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| 18:26.39 | wols | mtn: that's in /var |
| 18:26.58 | mtn | b0ss_: I know lots of folks like seperate partitions, but I always have just one, so no worries about space. |
| 18:27.06 | wols | b0ss_: reinstall and create only 2 partitions: / and /home |
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| 18:27.24 | wols | or only a single one as mtn suggests |
| 18:27.27 | mtn | wols: what's in /var? |
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| 18:27.58 | wols | mtn: the apt cache stuff |
| 18:28.20 | mtn | wols: yes, I know |
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| 18:36.59 | b0ss_ | stew wols mtn: my cache is 122 MB size |
| 18:37.11 | b0ss_ | I mean /var/cache |
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| 18:38.43 | wols | b0ss_: /var is a different partition for you anyways. either resize or reinstall. I suggest reinstall |
| 18:40.11 | b0ss_ | wols: when reinstalling what would the size ? |
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| 18:41.02 | andiolsi | hey, is there a way to output mplayer audio to xbmc running on a different system? |
| 18:41.12 | andiolsi | i was thinking netcat'ish ... |
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| 18:43.30 | b0ss_ | wols: the kernels on my system: http://pastebin.com/QPazrQRZ |
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| 18:45.35 | wols | b0ss_: make 2 partitions: one for linux, the other for swap, at most the size of your RAM |
| 18:46.06 | b0ss_ | swap holds 8.3GB |
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| 18:48.33 | wols | b0ss_: and how much RAM do you have? |
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| 18:52.44 | b0ss_ | wols: 4GB |
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| 18:53.32 | wols | b0ss_: then I wouldn't use 8GB but at most 4GB |
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| 18:55.54 | b0ss_ | wols: so do I need to resize cache? How do I do it ? |
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| 18:57.14 | pency | i like very much the debian 7 thnx for those who developed and worked with it!!! Happy new year! |
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| 18:59.21 | wols | b0ss_: reinstall |
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| 19:09.30 | b0ss_ | wols: so do you think the lack of space under rootfs is only a problem of cache super size ? |
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| 19:10.07 | hassen | wow...the genome3's file searching system rocks |
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| 19:10.35 | hassen | just Super>typing whatever of book's title i've got echoes it instantly |
| 19:11.12 | jhutchins | b0ss_: The rule used to be 2xRAM, but managing more than 4G of swap is very cumbersome, so the new rule is 2x up to 2G, then 1x to 4G, and 1x>4G only if you need suspend-to-ram. |
| 19:11.35 | jhutchins | hassen: gnome3? |
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| 19:12.42 | jhutchins | I wish the default guided partitioning would do single+swap. |
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| 19:13.10 | larks | any good howtos/tutorials for setting up a mail server? |
| 19:13.19 | jhutchins | larks: Hundreds. |
| 19:14.48 | larks | well, give me a couple of the best then... |
| 19:14.52 | jhutchins | !mta |
| 19:14.52 | dpkg | A Message/Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/sbin/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask me about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 19:15.00 | jelly-home | larks: if you don't know much about mail, and don't want to spend months learning how it works and how to set it up properly, use a service like google apps for domains |
| 19:15.27 | jhutchins | larks: I usually start with the Debian wiki, then there's http://tldp.org (tends to be old/RH oriented). |
| 19:15.42 | jelly-home | (in other words, there's quite a bit more of it than what fits in a tutorial) |
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| 19:17.33 | larks | the debian wiki has something, just looking for more than one good source |
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| 19:17.55 | larks | since I'm not over familiar with postfix and smtp in general I thought I'd ask |
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| 19:19.52 | larks | found http://blog.tomaka17.com/2012/05/how-to-set-up-an-email-server-on-linuxdebian/ , I'll just use that along with the debian one |
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| 19:30.26 | KaaK | for any sudo experts: if my user has the following sudoers stanza 'myuser ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL', why do i get promted for a password when attempting to run the following -- 'sudo -s -u some_other_user'? |
| 19:31.23 | KaaK | normal 'sudo <command>' works without promptint for a password |
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| 19:37.07 | wols | b0ss_: no. it's a problem of you partitioning badly |
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| 19:52.44 | CryptoSiD | :| |
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| 20:07.53 | Celelibi | Bug #727822 is quite blocking. |
| 20:08.13 | ectospasm | KaaK: you probably don't want to do that in the off chance that myuser gets compromised |
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| 20:11.15 | CryptoSiD | http://pastebin.com/CSnLYebU |
| 20:11.18 | CryptoSiD | i need help! |
| 20:11.31 | CryptoSiD | stupid apt tell me to move a file and after that everything is fked |
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| 20:11.36 | AlsoDirkson | My ISP has advised me to turn off ipv6 autoconf, and manually assign ipv6 addresses instead. I suspect they're misconfigured, but I'll play along anyway - Anyone happen to know the best way to disable ipv6 autoconfiguration? |
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| 20:12.24 | KaaK | ectospasm: agreed. that user is currently setup to only allow access via a passphrase protected ssh key |
| 20:12.53 | CryptoSiD | can anyone help me fixing this? |
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| 20:13.49 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell CryptoSiD -about ask |
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| 20:14.58 | CryptoSiD | http://pastebin.com/CSnLYebU well there is my problem. apt tell me to move file libc-2.13.so out of /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ |
| 20:15.01 | CryptoSiD | so i do it |
| 20:15.05 | CryptoSiD | and now everything is broken |
| 20:15.08 | CryptoSiD | i cant do anything |
| 20:16.05 | CryptoSiD | i cant ssh the box, if i reboot it wont come back, so i cant leave ssh before its fixed |
| 20:18.36 | ectospasm | well, yeah, you moved the standard C library from its normal position... practically *evertything* depends on libc |
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| 20:18.49 | ectospasm | CryptoSiD: you still didn't state which version of Debian you're using |
| 20:18.51 | CryptoSiD | cant i recreate a link with ldconfig |
| 20:18.58 | CryptoSiD | im using wheezy, sorry |
| 20:19.16 | CryptoSiD | the only command i found working is ldconfig |
| 20:19.33 | ectospasm | You could move the libc-2.13.so back into position. |
| 20:19.41 | CryptoSiD | i cant, mv dont work |
| 20:19.42 | ectospasm | what were you trying to do when apt told you to move it? |
| 20:19.57 | CryptoSiD | reinstall libc6 since it was doing and error everytime apt-get run |
| 20:20.14 | ectospasm | CryptoSiD: you probably need to run a rescue image on it and do it that way. |
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| 20:20.29 | ectospasm | ...how to do that remotely is beyond me at the moment. |
| 20:20.43 | CryptoSiD | i got this command working but dont fix anything |
| 20:20.44 | CryptoSiD | dconfig -l -v /root/libc-2.13.so |
| 20:20.56 | CryptoSiD | still nothing work |
| 20:21.01 | CryptoSiD | ldconfig i meant |
| 20:21.24 | CryptoSiD | its a vps im not sure we can do this |
| 20:21.44 | ectospasm | CryptoSiD: maybe if you got a statically linked binary onto the system, but future SSH/SFTP sessions don't seem possible... |
| 20:21.58 | CryptoSiD | ssh/ftp dont work anymore |
| 20:22.09 | CryptoSiD | my only chance is with ldconfig i think |
| 20:25.37 | k1lled | i have a problem when i have 10 min inactivy(include watch movie with VLC) my ekran truns off. i stop this option from settings, but it still work.. i have no idea why. |
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| 20:29.48 | CryptoSiD | fkkkkkkkkk |
| 20:29.52 | CryptoSiD | i used clear |
| 20:29.55 | CryptoSiD | pop me out of ssh |
| 20:29.56 | CryptoSiD | lol |
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| 20:43.41 | Okee | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.41 | Okee | ent. |
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| 20:46.24 | SrvK | I'm on debian testing and my rear right speaker and subwoofer are mute on my 5.1 system. My soundcard is a creative audigy SE. Sound worked fine on debian stable 7.2 |
| 20:46.38 | SrvK | And it works fine on windows too |
| 20:48.29 | jhutchins | SrvK: Just to verify, if you switch back to stable or windows it still works, consistently works/fails and can toggle back and forth? |
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| 20:49.10 | jhutchins | SrvK: This isn't "When I rebooted to testing I accidentally kicked the cable". |
| 20:49.32 | SrvK | No |
| 20:49.38 | AlsoDirkson | Hey all! Anyone happen to know the best way to disable ipv6 autoconfiguration? |
| 20:49.54 | SrvK | I had to reinstall debian testing for a different reason and the problem was present back then and persists now |
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| 20:50.08 | SrvK | I don't have debian stable installed though |
| 20:50.13 | jhutchins | SrvK: This is where it REALLY helps if you keep stable around as a dual-boot so you can check various components. |
| 20:50.22 | SrvK | it doesn't pick up my graphics card correctly cause it's too new or something |
| 20:50.40 | SrvK | I have an empty partition where I might install it later |
| 20:50.54 | jhutchins | SrvK: Interesting. Too bad we can't revert to an earlier kernel. |
| 20:50.57 | SrvK | I'm wondering if anyone else has the same problem as me on debian testing though |
| 20:50.59 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 20:51.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-trunk-686-pae (3.12.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); jessie: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.10-1); wheezy-backports: 3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.11.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 20:51.00 | SrvK | maybe it's a bug |
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| 20:52.01 | jhutchins | SrvK: I would do a search of your chipset + the kernel version + sound/audio/alsa |
| 20:52.35 | SrvK | can you explain to me what alsa and pulseaudio are? |
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| 20:53.54 | jhutchins | SrvK: alsa's the basic sound system for most of Linux. |
| 20:53.54 | CEnnis91 | anyone have experience with upstart |
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| 20:55.30 | jhutchins | SrvK: pulseaudio is an attempt to solve a problem most people don't have that causes a lot of other problems. It also attempts to add a massive number of new features, with multiple consequent failures, but it's been adopted and there's probably no going back. It allows things like multiple programs accessing audio at once, different programs having different volume/mixer settings, and forwarding sound to a different device. |
| 20:56.10 | SrvK | What's the problem that it attempts to solve? |
| 20:56.17 | SrvK | capturing audio, etc? |
| 20:56.38 | jhutchins | CEnnis91: People over on #ubuntu might. What are you running? |
| 20:57.14 | jhutchins | SrvK: No, alsa can actually do most of that. I think it might have been the forwarding. |
| 20:57.49 | SrvK | forwarding is a very attractive feature if you are recording audio from multiple sources |
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| 20:58.36 | CEnnis91 | jhutchins: it's debian based (raspbmc if you're familiar with the rpi) |
| 20:58.37 | SrvK | So, is pulseaudio an alternative to alsa or does it work on top of alsa? |
| 20:59.09 | CEnnis91 | jhutchins: seems like upstart isn't properly falling back to calling sysv's init which it's supposed to do |
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| 20:59.15 | CEnnis91 | so basic services are not starting like they should =/ |
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| 21:07.09 | ZekeS | SrvK: works on top of alsa |
| 21:09.26 | SrvK | thanks |
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| 21:18.41 | pixelgremlins | on debian + nginx does anyone know how to keep my storage files/directories @ chmod 777? They keep breaking |
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| 21:20.21 | torax | why would you want to have them 777? |
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| 21:24.23 | torax | pixelgremlins: |
| 21:29.23 | LiuYan | live usb install question: i've manually extract livecd-7.0.2.iso to /LiveOS/Debian7/ directory of USB stick, and created a syslinux.cfg for it (added 'live-media-path=/LiveOS/Debian7' parameter in kernel line), it can booted succesfully, but when launch 'Install debian...', the installer does not launched |
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| 21:32.30 | wols | LiuYan: under what OS do you create this usb stick? |
| 21:32.37 | LiuYan | and i also add a 'Text mode install' menu item in syslinux.cfg, when boot from menu, debian installer try to detect a CDROM (which i haven't) |
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| 21:33.13 | LiuYan | wols: USB stick created in Fedora |
| 21:35.13 | LiuYan | wols: I've installed multiple live OSes in the USB stick, so the 'dd if=ISO-file of=/dev/sdX1' method from debian document is not suitable in such situation |
| 21:36.18 | wols | LiuYan: then run YUMI on Windows and learn how YUMI does it |
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| 21:42.16 | LiuYan | wols: i prefer manually edit the syslinux.cfg file, YUMI or other tools may add many menu items i don't want. The live boot menu item of debian-live-cd can take 'live-media-path' parameter, i don't know what is the similar parameter for netinstall (or live install) |
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| 21:55.27 | Okee | I am trying to use the bug reporter, and wondering what package I would identify for debian not updating icedove? I am basing that on the sources.list file |
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| 21:56.13 | Okee | what package is the sources.list file? |
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| 22:02.54 | somiaj | Okee: what do you mean by not updating icedove? |
| 22:03.00 | somiaj | ,v icedove |
| 22:03.01 | judd | Package: icedove on i386 -- squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12-1; jessie: 17.0.9-2; wheezy-security: 17.0.10-1~deb7u1; sid: 17.0.10-1; experimental: 24.1.1-1 |
| 22:03.39 | Okee | smoiaj> Doesn't update. Nothing happens. |
| 22:04.02 | somiaj | Okee: stable never gets updates for packages. m.d.n just chooses not to provide backports for icedove (ask them why). Seems there is a newer version in experimental, something must be keeping it from being put into sid |
| 22:04.22 | somiaj | Okee: what version of debian do you run, what version of icedove do you have installed? |
| 22:05.08 | Okee | somiaj> My question is why it hasn't gone into backports. The version of Icedove is 17.0.10, and it is too old. The Lightning Calendar program won't work. The version of Debian is the latest AMD64. |
| 22:05.45 | somiaj | Okee: the version you will get for the life cycle of wheezy is 17, and that is it |
| 22:06.09 | somiaj | Okee: that is how debian stable works. As to why m.d.n. backports iceweasle but not icedove, I do not know, but that is not offically debian and a bug report will not change the way things are handeled |
| 22:06.53 | Okee | somiaj> That might be the version for the life cycle, but it is too old and doesn't work. Who is in charge of the backports? Is that Debian? Or Mozilla? I am new to Debian stable, so I am asking a lot of questions. |
| 22:08.07 | somiaj | Okee: as I have said twice now, why mozilla.debian.net is not providing backports for icedove I do not know. They are not offically debian, but are providing some backports for users. |
| 22:08.21 | somiaj | there is nothing stoping you from creating your own backport, or even using thunderbird static binaries from mozilla |
| 22:08.52 | Okee | somiaj> Ok, thatnks for responding, and that answers my question. I did post in the mozilla network earlier, and they seemed to indicate it was a Debian issue. Thanks. |
| 22:09.16 | somiaj | backports are kinda hit and miss. Depends on the ease of creating the backport and the man power to do so. |
| 22:09.36 | somiaj | but there is no reason you cannot make your own (/msg dpkg ssbp -- might be able tyo backport from expiermntal fairly easy) |
| 22:10.11 | somiaj | but the static linked firefox from mozilla runs just fine form your $HOME and I would imanage thunderbird would too |
| 22:12.32 | ws2k3 | hello when i try to do a ps -aux on my box i get an error |
| 22:12.41 | somiaj | what error? |
| 22:12.53 | ws2k3 | Signal 11 (SEGV) caught by ps |
| 22:13.11 | ws2k3 | and i have like 3 processes ps running on my machine with 100 % cpu |
| 22:14.00 | ws2k3 | realy odd i never seen anything like this before |
| 22:14.24 | ws2k3 | i also cannot grep the ps proces because when i try to grep is the proces is already gone it looks like its constandly spawning ps processes |
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| 22:15.29 | somiaj | what version of debian? |
| 22:15.48 | ws2k3 | 6.06 |
| 22:15.54 | ws2k3 | 6.0.6 |
| 22:16.00 | dvs | old! |
| 22:16.25 | somiaj | have you done anything to the procps package or anything to the system that caused this to happen. |
| 22:16.36 | somiaj | i.e. I don't see why it would start happening with out some sort of upgrade/update |
| 22:16.58 | ws2k3 | nope i didnt changed anything |
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| 22:18.02 | ws2k3 | and when i do ps -aux|grep something it says Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-' |
| 22:18.44 | LtL | ws2k3: lose the hyphen .. not needed |
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| 22:19.42 | ws2k3 | LtL what you mean |
| 22:19.56 | somiaj | it shouldn't matter if you do ps aux vs ps -aux |
| 22:20.25 | ws2k3 | yeah i know my other debian servers are doing fine |
| 22:20.30 | LtL | ws2k3: ps aux is all you need , ps requires no '-' with it's flags, hence 'ps aux' |
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| 22:21.43 | ws2k3 | well it still gives me Signal 11(SEGV) |
| 22:21.55 | ws2k3 | Signal 11 (SEGV) caught by ps |
| 22:22.06 | zinx | your system is broken. |
| 22:22.54 | ws2k3 | well i'm going to get rid of this machine anyway today so its not a big issueits just odd |
| 22:23.03 | ws2k3 | zinx can you be more spesific ? |
| 22:24.11 | somiaj | http://debian.2.n7.nabble.com/Bug-702965-procps-ps-dies-with-SIGSEGV-on-kernels-gt-3-2-29-and-lots-of-supplementary-groups-td2890061.html |
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| 22:27.37 | ws2k3 | hmm okay |
| 22:27.40 | ws2k3 | well tahnks so far |
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| 22:28.05 | somiaj | that link seems to have the problem and patches that could fix it |
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| 22:29.03 | AlsoDirkson | Hey all! Anyone happen to know the best way to disable ipv6 autoconfiguration? |
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| 22:29.39 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6 |
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| 22:30.05 | Dagger | somiaj: that'll turn v6 off completely, which is generally not what you want |
| 22:30.09 | AlsoDirkson | somiaj: Nonono. Want to keep ipv6, just want to disable autoconf, because my ISP has set up ipv6 wrong-ish. |
| 22:30.23 | xand | turning off ipv6? disgusting! |
| 22:30.47 | xand | AlsoDirkson: there's a sysctl setting for that |
| 22:31.20 | xand | e.g.: net.ipv6.conf.eth0.accept_ra = 0 |
| 22:31.20 | Dagger | there is, but I can't remember if it's accept_ra or autoconf |
| 22:31.34 | Dagger | but you should really get your ISP to fix their shit, because otherwise it'll be broken for everyone |
| 22:31.37 | AlsoDirkson | xand: Dagger: I've never fuddled with sysctl. |
| 22:31.52 | AlsoDirkson | Dagger: Already done. *shrug* They just told me to manually collect my IP range. |
| 22:32.22 | xand | there is autoconf too |
| 22:32.32 | xand | I don't know what the difference is. |
| 22:32.37 | AlsoDirkson | xand: Me either! ^.^ |
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| 22:44.05 | Mike9863 | I keep getting a hardware error showing up in terminal along with an annoying system beep. Is there any way I can disable this type of notification? |
| 22:45.34 | somiaj | Mike9863: fix your hardware? You could blacklist and remove the module pcspkr, will make it so your system won't beep. Unless its your mobo beeping and not the os from the hardware error |
| 22:46.36 | somiaj | but not sure if you can control what errors the kernel reports as I assume that is what is doing it |
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| 22:48.11 | Mike9863 | somiaj: I believe it's my PC speaker. I'm not really sure what the hardware issue is but I think it's related to my fan. I'm just looking for a way to disable the notification in the meantime. |
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| 22:49.32 | jhutchins | Mike9863: Don't worry, it'll reach critical temperature soon enough and then it will stop making annoying noises. |
| 22:50.59 | glenrock | Mike9863: here's instructions for blacklisting pcspkr: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=50584#p290805 |
| 22:51.21 | Mike9863 | Thanks glenrock |
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| 22:52.20 | somiaj | yea I don't think you will be able to get rid of the error from the console unless you modify the kernel source code and remake it. The beeping you may be able to deal with |
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| 22:53.42 | Mike9863 | Where can I go to figure out what the hardware error means? |
| 22:54.27 | somiaj | paste it into google |
| 22:54.48 | somiaj | sometimes you ahve to remove part of it to get a nice hit |
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| 23:03.34 | dgeary2 | where can one get the netboot kernel and ramdisk images for wheezy kernel 3.2.46-1? |
| 23:04.41 | dgeary2 | kernel 3.2.46-1 is in debian 7.1.0 |
| 23:04.45 | bbtech | Is there a way to minimize an application to the tray? |
| 23:06.02 | dgeary2 | the two images at http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/ each contain kernels other than 3.2.46-1 |
| 23:06.18 | dgeary2 | bbtech, which desktop environment? |
| 23:06.34 | bbtech | dgeary2, xfce |
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| 23:07.14 | jelly-home | dgeary2: that's an outdated version, why do you think you need exactly that one? |
| 23:07.18 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 23:07.19 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-trunk-686-pae (3.12.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); jessie: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.10-1); wheezy-backports: 3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.11.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 23:08.24 | dgeary2 | jelly-home, i intend to netinstall from a set of 7.1.0 DVD images |
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| 23:09.56 | jelly-home | dgeary2: I do not know what to get old netboot stuff, but you should be able to update the dvd images using jigdo |
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| 23:10.09 | jelly-home | where* to get |
| 23:10.52 | dgeary2 | that would be my next option |
| 23:11.35 | dgeary2 | however i was trying to avoid having to update the dvd images because of my limited internet quota |
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| 23:12.40 | dgeary2 | i understand that jigdo can use the packages from the old images where they haven't changed |
| 23:13.26 | dvs | dgeary2: If you have a limited internet quota, you should use the netinstall iso |
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| 23:14.49 | dgeary2 | dvs, as in download the netinstall iso for 7.1.0? |
| 23:15.05 | dvs | dgeary2: Why 7.1.0? |
| 23:15.29 | dgeary2 | good point |
| 23:16.30 | dgeary2 | the original reasoning was for the driver udebs, but the netinstall would already have those for its own kernel |
| 23:16.58 | dgeary2 | * netinstall iso |
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| 23:17.48 | somiaj | dgeary2: do you know what your network card is? You may want the unoffical netinstall with the non-free firmware, else it may be some work after you install the base system to get on the net |
| 23:18.11 | dvs | if it's a wireless card |
| 23:18.58 | dgeary2 | network card works fine with current image. that implies that it does not require non-free firmware. |
| 23:19.36 | dgeary2 | it's a wired network card |
| 23:19.47 | dvs | cool |
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| 23:24.16 | dgeary2 | thanks for pointing out the options |
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| 23:30.18 | AssGoblin | my butt hurts |
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| 23:31.11 | dvs | goes to the doctor to make sure nothing hurts |
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| 23:41.16 | jelly-home | @#% spam |
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