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| 00:39.46 | Sia- | my touch work fine for selection and move as a mouse :-) but won't work with click/OK or double click. any idea? Thnx |
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| 00:47.35 | dgeary2 | getting 'no disk drive was detected' when attempting netinstall of wheezy. booted a debian live DVD and had a look at the drivers loaded. the hard disk controller driver is ata_piix. but ata_piix is nowhere to be found in the installer udebs. |
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| 00:51.17 | Urk | is mysql installed by default? |
| 00:51.40 | dvs | no |
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| 00:55.18 | dgeary2 | none of the udebs in the install dvd contain libata, ata_generic or ata_piix either, however they are present in the installer environment. i expect that they would be in the initrd as they may be required in order to access the install dvd. |
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| 01:05.04 | somiaj | Urk: depends on what you mean by default, after the install tasksel is run and there are some default tasks. I belive you can choose mysql there, though most will install it after. |
| 01:05.30 | somiaj | yea there is an SQL database task you can choose right after the install |
| 01:06.21 | SirLagz | dgeary2: still working on that p4 issue ? |
| 01:06.35 | dgeary2 | yes |
| 01:06.46 | dgeary2 | as you said, install dvd works |
| 01:07.02 | townai | Cannot remove command history with 'history -c' or 'rm ./.bash_history', not even after I restart the system. how to do it right? |
| 01:07.38 | SirLagz | dgeary2: yeah, had me stumpe for a while. |
| 01:07.41 | SirLagz | stumped* |
| 01:08.17 | dgeary2 | but the required driver is just not in any of the udebs and is also not in the netinstall initrd |
| 01:08.28 | dgeary2 | ata_piix, that is |
| 01:08.32 | SirLagz | indeed |
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| 01:08.49 | somiaj | townai: do you just want history not not be saved at all? |
| 01:09.14 | dgeary2 | i'm thinking of either rebuilding the initrd, or preseeding the download and install of the driver |
| 01:09.37 | townai | either remove what is saved or not save it while i execute the commands. |
| 01:10.18 | somiaj | townai: if you want to disable the saving of history alltogeher, just change your $HISTFILE, so put 'HISTFILE=/dev/null' in ~/.bashrc, and you will have history within a current shell session but it won't keep it |
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| 01:10.42 | Urk | somiaj> So is MySQL installed by default, or is this just a warning message from Drupal? |
| 01:10.53 | SirLagz | dgeary2: sounds like a plan or two. |
| 01:11.03 | somiaj | Urk: as I said it depends on what you mean by 'default', there are various ways and options people use when installing debian. |
| 01:11.21 | townai | thks. what about clearing the history which has now been saved? |
| 01:11.23 | somiaj | Urk: unless you tell it to install it via tasksel, or install it after, then no. |
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| 01:11.58 | somiaj | townai: change the HISTFILE, you will have to logout of all shells and log back in for it to take effect. then delete $HOME/.bash_history (you will see that file will never be created) |
| 01:12.05 | Urk | My real question is referring to the post drupal install from the command line. Drupal folks recommend not installing from the repos. Ok, you answered my question. |
| 01:12.09 | Urk | Thanks somiaj. |
| 01:12.29 | somiaj | Urk: I would try to get support from drupal then if you are not gonna use debian packages. |
| 01:12.50 | Urk | ok. Thanks. |
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| 01:13.28 | somiaj | Urk: if you use debian packages, /usr/share/package_name has useful documentation usually things about configuration, post install stuff, and the likes. |
| 01:13.50 | Urk | somiaj> Ok, thanks. |
| 01:14.16 | somiaj | Urk: sorry /usr/share/doc/package_name -- bad path |
| 01:14.23 | Urk | ok |
| 01:16.00 | somiaj | townai: http://mewbies.com/how_to_disable_bash_history_or_limit_tutorial.html |
| 01:16.40 | townai | somiaj: thks. |
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| 01:17.47 | witheld | Hellp, I'm trying to compile 32bit zlib or something, on a 64bit Debian system, here's the output http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3zLFR5Z7 |
| 01:17.54 | witheld | Googling has been no help |
| 01:18.14 | somiaj | witheld: why? What is wrong with the 32big libary provided by debian? |
| 01:18.25 | witheld | I have no idea |
| 01:18.56 | somiaj | witheld: with wheezy (onward) it uses multiarch. You cannot have both the 64bit and 32bit headers installed at the same time, so you will want to build it inside a choort (or use pbuilder) and then install the resulting package outside on your 64bit system |
| 01:19.05 | somiaj | witheld: so you have no idea why you want to compile a 32bit zlib? |
| 01:19.09 | witheld | I have a huge complex PHP installer and even weirder shell scripts and I'm not about to question it beyond the obvious |
| 01:19.14 | witheld | Alright then, thanks, back to Ubuntu |
| 01:19.44 | somiaj | ubuntu also uses multiarch afiak and you will still need to build 32bit packages inside a 32bit chroot. pbuilder automates the process |
| 01:19.47 | witheld | nope |
| 01:20.02 | witheld | Working on this Ubuntu box right here, but this isn't the server |
| 01:21.21 | witheld | Sad, I was really wanting to use Debian too |
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| 01:21.52 | somiaj | multiarch is actually quite easy and really helped fix tons of issues with running 32bit software on a 64bit system. I think it is worth learning. |
| 01:22.16 | townai | ok, i hv not stated my problem correctly. i am not able to clear the command history of being superuser. i want to clear the history of thecommands after i login in as 'su'. can it be done? |
| 01:22.23 | witheld | If I had the disk space for a chroot I'd make one |
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| 01:23.10 | somiaj | though if all you want to do is install a 32bit version of zlib, 'apt-get install zlibc:i386' |
| 01:23.31 | stew | (after dpkg --add-architecture) |
| 01:23.45 | somiaj | (and a apt-get update) |
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| 01:23.58 | somiaj | townai: if you are using a bash shell tha tlink i sent gives you various options depending on what you want to do. |
| 01:24.18 | somiaj | townai: if you are using a different shell, then look up how to do it in the shell you are using. |
| 01:25.06 | townai | ok, let me refer to the link first. |
| 01:26.14 | somiaj | townai: also note there is a differnce between running 'su' vs 'su -', and due to the differences in what it inheratis from the shell you may notice a difference it how it deals with the history env variables. |
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| 01:26.46 | somiaj | townai: after you set it up, try doing 'su -' so you get a full login(1) envoriment for root. |
| 01:27.10 | Axioplase | Hi. |
| 01:29.51 | Axioplase | I installed a SID recently, and I'm having trouble with IME's. My settings are for three languages, I can switch the input method with SUPER+SPACE, but in fact, nothing changes. It's only the English keyboard that's active. I also installed ibus, which is running, used im-switch to set it up as well, but I can't find a way to input text in any of the other languages... Do I have to modify .xinitrc and my .zshrc just like 10 years ago?? |
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| 01:30.49 | SysGhost | hey |
| 01:30.49 | townai | somiaj: 'su -' does it. when i log in, i can remove command history by removing .bash_history. |
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| 01:31.39 | somiaj | townai: yea 'su -' does a full login while su does not, so you wern't parsing the the profile/.bashrc for root and setting up a new sheel enviroment and leeching off the privious shell enviorment of your user. |
| 01:32.29 | dgeary2 | SirLagz, got it working by downloading ata-modules udeb and ata_piix module and installing them in 'd-i preseed/early_command' directive in preseed file |
| 01:32.45 | dgeary2 | got ata_piix module from cdrom initrd |
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| 01:32.54 | SirLagz | dgeary2: awesome |
| 01:32.59 | SirLagz | dgeary2: will have to note that down. |
| 01:32.59 | somiaj | dgeary2: so the modern installers don't contain the modules for older ata devices? |
| 01:33.19 | SirLagz | somiaj: just the netinstall doesn't. the full ISO installers do |
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| 01:33.30 | dgeary2 | i think it was a mistake not to package that particular driver in a udeb and put it on the netinstall cd |
| 01:33.35 | SirLagz | dgeary2: agreed. |
| 01:33.58 | townai | somiaj: thks. |
| 01:34.08 | somiaj | SirLagz: aah seems reasonable they do thry to keep that image as small as they can. |
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| 01:34.36 | dgeary2 | in saying that, the netinstall initrd is ~10MB whereas the cdrom initrd is ~6MB |
| 01:34.42 | SirLagz | somiaj: but surely adding in that single driver wouldn't make it much bigger... |
| 01:35.35 | somiaj | SirLagz: thare are some irc channels on irc.oftc.net that are deticated to the installer, and they may have more info if you care. |
| 01:35.44 | SirLagz | somiaj: thanks ,I'll look into it |
| 01:35.56 | somiaj | SirLagz: #debian-boot and #debian-installer I belive. |
| 01:36.42 | dgeary2 | note that ata_piix requires libata from ata-modules udeb (also not included on netinstall cd) |
| 01:38.37 | SirLagz | libata and ata_piix. got it. Thanks dgeary2 ! |
| 01:39.01 | SirLagz | now to modify my netinstall pxe boot image and add that in :D |
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| 01:45.52 | oxez | Hello, I'm trying to follow this guide: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation, but when I attempt to run dget -x, I get this error: http://paste.debian.net/73724/ -- Apparently I shouldn't get this since I have debian-keyring installed... any idea what else I can try? |
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| 01:47.17 | somiaj | oxez: I perosnally use the info in '/msg dpkg ssb' |
| 01:48.33 | somiaj | skip setp 2, just add a deb-src for sid, and if the package is nice it will be fairly easy. What are you trying to backport? |
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| 01:49.25 | oxez | somiaj: sonata, there is a bug open with a patch to get it to work with mpd 0.18 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=728704 |
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| 01:50.28 | somiaj | oxez: are you running sid? if so you don't want a backport, just add the deb-src line, down load the source, apply the patch, compile the package. |
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| 01:51.44 | oxez | somiaj, that works for me, thanks |
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| 02:11.45 | SerajewelKS | is there an https proxy in debian that is able to inspect the certificate exchange and only allow connection to servers that offer a specific certificate? (basically if the server offers a non-whitelisted cert, forcibly terminate both connections.) |
| 02:12.20 | SerajewelKS | in wireshark i can see the server cert so i know that an https proxy would have access to this data |
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| 02:27.14 | somiaj | SerajewelKS: have you looked at squid, it is very configurable. |
| 02:27.45 | somiaj | SerajewelKS: I would assume it can do it, but it will require you learn to configure/script it. (: |
| 02:28.11 | __FBi | *nrc.ca is down for wheezy? |
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| 02:29.27 | SerajewelKS | somiaj: hmm, i don't think it can |
| 02:30.18 | SerajewelKS | somiaj: what i'm most interested in is allowing access to only certain hosts, however the traffic is HTTPS... so presumably what i'd need is for a DNS proxy to talk to an HTTP proxy and tell it to permit access to some IPs only if they are a response to a query matching a particular pattern |
| 02:30.30 | SerajewelKS | sorry not even a proxy, but a firewall |
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| 02:31.11 | SerajewelKS | the firewall could redirect all traffic not matching the pattern to a local HTTP server that displays an unauthorized page |
| 02:32.01 | SerajewelKS | some of the hosts use RR DNS, so i can't predict the permitted IP set in advance :/ |
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| 02:38.29 | SerajewelKS | if the traffic was HTTP i could just transparently proxy it with a whitelist... but it's HTTPS |
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| 02:39.07 | SerajewelKS | i wonder if #networking would know more |
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| 02:43.37 | Arrowmaster | i dont know much about proxies but why wont a whitelist work on https? |
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| 02:46.24 | somiaj | SerajewelKS: squid can do a lot, inclidng control who cna use the proxy, who can go though. I would be suprised if you coudln't get what you want via squid |
| 02:46.45 | SerajewelKS | Arrowmaster: because transparent proxying does not work with https |
| 02:46.49 | SerajewelKS | somiaj: ^^^ |
| 02:47.07 | somiaj | and then you use the firewall to redirect all http/https to squid and it decides if or if not to allow it through |
| 02:47.22 | SerajewelKS | redirecting HTTPS to squid will result in a 400 |
| 02:47.34 | SerajewelKS | you can't just send HTTPS to a proxy. it won't know where to forward the data. |
| 02:48.03 | Arrowmaster | i swear i remember seeing https settings in proxy configs before |
| 02:48.27 | somiaj | SerajewelKS: http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/HTTPS |
| 02:48.30 | SerajewelKS | in the HTTP case, the proxy can look at the Host header to see where it should forward the request. it cannot do this with HTTPS as this data is part of the encrypted channel, and the client won't send it anyway until after the certificate exchange. |
| 02:49.07 | SerajewelKS | somiaj: this is not relevant to my setup. this does not work with transparent proxying unless squid has access to the private key. |
| 02:49.19 | SerajewelKS | somiaj: this works for standard proxying, but not transparent proxying |
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| 02:51.28 | Arrowmaster | why cant you just block all normal https traffic and force everybody to config their browser to use the proxy server then |
| 02:51.52 | SerajewelKS | Arrowmaster: because the device is an embedded device without proxy support |
| 02:52.26 | Arrowmaster | not even proxy autocconfig support |
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| 02:53.23 | SerajewelKS | the closest i can think of is to run another dnsmasq for this gateway that will forward requests for specified prefixes and return another IP (or no IP at all) for all other requests. but this leaves it open to accessing things directly by IP. (in this case DNS would be transparently redirected to dnsmasq) |
| 02:53.29 | SerajewelKS | Arrowmaster: no proxy support AT ALL |
| 02:54.17 | Arrowmaster | and im assuming you cant push your own root ssl cert out to the devices |
| 02:54.20 | SerajewelKS | the ideal would be a DNS server that will tell the firewall which IPs it has returned for whitelisted prefixes, and the firewall only allow outbound communication on those IPs |
| 02:54.34 | SerajewelKS | that's pretty unlikely yeah |
| 02:54.58 | SerajewelKS | basically a DNS server and firewall working together |
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| 02:55.49 | SerajewelKS | dnsmasq supports scripting but only for DHCP :( |
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| 02:58.41 | jusbv_ | hello |
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| 02:59.56 | jusbv_ | I serched google, anyidea for PsotgreSQL error with php Unable to connect to PostgreSQL server: could not translate host name "dbname=" to address: Name or service not known |
| 03:00.15 | jusbv_ | wheezy and jessie |
| 03:00.41 | somiaj | sounds like a nameserver problem, what does 'ping hostname' do from a terminal, there are various tools you can use |
| 03:01.18 | SerajewelKS | jusbv_: it sounds like you are supplying a connection string where postgresql accepts a hostname |
| 03:01.24 | SerajewelKS | jusbv_: "dbname=" is not a valid hostname |
| 03:01.59 | jusbv_ | my string is "host=localhost dbname=$cmbdd user=$username password=$passwd" |
| 03:03.02 | SerajewelKS | jusbv_: and where are you passing this string to postgresql |
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| 03:04.11 | jusbv_ | i start it in my constructor $this -> liendb = pg_connect("host=localhost dbname=$cmbdd user=$username password=$passwd"); |
| 03:05.22 | SerajewelKS | and does $cmbdd have a value? (echo it to verify, it may not even if you think it does) |
| 03:05.33 | SerajewelKS | hrm actually even in that case you shouldn't see this error |
| 03:06.00 | SerajewelKS | which version of PHP? |
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| 03:07.26 | jusbv_ | host=localhost dbname=andmon user=julian password=..., i ve got wich of wheezy and jessie, same error on both |
| 03:07.34 | SerajewelKS | jusbv_: also note that none of those variables can be empty, as you have written the connection string. it would be wise to echo the connection string and make sure (1) it is what you think it is and (2) none of the variables are empty. |
| 03:08.53 | SerajewelKS | jusbv_: might be better to ask in #php or #postgresql, though |
| 03:09.09 | jusbv_ | it was the echo, none have got this error? |
| 03:09.24 | jusbv_ | ok SerajewelKS i thank you very much |
| 03:09.38 | SerajewelKS | jusbv_: it seems that the connection string isn't being parsed correctly... |
| 03:09.38 | jusbv_ | i love my flashback |
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| 03:12.47 | tehrabbitt | alrighty, just reinstalled debian on my lil netbook... i boot it up, and bam... ipv6 DNS within resolv.conf... I add "nameserver 192.168.1.254" but bam, 3 seconds later, it gets orverwritten... |
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| 03:13.10 | tehrabbitt | No idea how to get the ipv4 to stay.... but it IS getting ipv4 DHCP from the dhcp server (as well as ipv6) |
| 03:14.27 | tehrabbitt | any ideas on how to make it stick? |
| 03:15.50 | SerajewelKS | tehrabbitt: use /etc/network/interfaces instead |
| 03:16.20 | somiaj | tehrabbitt: network manager manages that for you and you need to configure network manager if that is what you want to use. |
| 03:16.35 | SerajewelKS | hmm, even that might not work. if you are using ifup/ifdown then you may need to tweak your dhcp client configuration file. |
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| 03:16.58 | tehrabbitt | somiaj: network manager shows the interface as greyed out |
| 03:17.04 | SerajewelKS | tehrabbitt: there are several systems for managing resolv.conf files and they are all mostly incompatible with each other. first step is to find out which you are using. |
| 03:17.05 | tehrabbitt | SerajewelKS: I have the nameservers set there as well |
| 03:17.14 | tehrabbitt | SerajewelKS: Ah :\ |
| 03:17.47 | tehrabbitt | yeah, it's greyed out saying "Device not managed" in network manager |
| 03:18.07 | SerajewelKS | then it's probably ifup/ifdown managing it, and you'll have to tweak your dhcp client config |
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| 03:24.02 | somiaj | tehrabbitt: seems like you are conflicting using /etc/network/interfaces and network manager, choose one and use it to configure your network |
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| 03:24.14 | somiaj | disable/remove network manager if you aren't using it |
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| 03:26.03 | tehrabbitt | somiaj: neither will let me configure it. |
| 03:26.17 | tehrabbitt | even when I SET it using dhcpd. or using /etc/interfaces it gets overwritten |
| 03:27.37 | tehrabbitt | it's like it's ignoring the IPv4 and ONLY configuring IPv6 |
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| 03:30.24 | somiaj | then debug, figure out what tool is overwriting it. We can keep on guessing but you are the one behind the computer. There are also packages like openresolv or reoslvconf to manage that file |
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| 03:38.03 | Urk | Anyone know what unrar is called in the repo? |
| 03:38.14 | dvs | ,v unrar-free |
| 03:38.15 | judd | Package: unrar-free on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1; sid: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-2; wheezy: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-2 |
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| 03:47.46 | rsd | can anyone suggest a good replacement for MON (if any)? |
| 03:48.53 | DrakkenWarr | might be a dumb question. But what is MON exactly? |
| 03:49.08 | stew | i'm just hoping the answer happens to be TUE |
| 03:49.17 | DrakkenWarr | heh |
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| 03:50.48 | rsd | DrakkenWarr, system monitoring, alert, etc |
| 03:51.26 | DrakkenWarr | ah, thanks. Was not aware of that program. I'll have to take a look @ it. |
| 03:53.11 | rsd | havent used it in a long time and it seems to have no replacement AFAIK |
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| 03:56.16 | hearthstone | free hearthstone beta key. http://hearthstonegiveaway.com/?ref=VlQzGUfQc |
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| 04:12.45 | DeHalfaD | Hey, I'm using Fedora now, and I am debating on switching to debian, I understand it is more stable and useable.. at least from what I have read.. |
| 04:15.52 | ectospasm | DeHalfaD: as long as your requirements don't include having the latest upstream version of $package, Debian is a smart choice. I would highly recommend starting out with wheezy/stable. |
| 04:16.19 | DeHalfaD | idk what $package is tbh |
| 04:16.22 | mango_ | hi there, i actually just switched from OpenSUSE to debian |
| 04:16.24 | ectospasm | especially since jessie/testing is in such flux. |
| 04:16.27 | mango_ | Testing doesn't seem to bad so far |
| 04:16.36 | DeHalfaD | i'm sort noobish on the linux front |
| 04:16.41 | ectospasm | DeHalfaD: it's a variable meant to stand for any particular package |
| 04:17.16 | DeHalfaD | I mean I use a lot of different stuff, I suppose. |
| 04:17.34 | DeHalfaD | Fedora 20 isn't playing mp3's and no one wil help me. Kinda upsetting lol |
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| 04:17.57 | DeHalfaD | I also didn't like all the issues I had trying to get vbox to run on fedora. |
| 04:18.02 | ectospasm | DeHalfaD: right, as long as you don't require the latest upstream packages for everything, Debian is a great choice. |
| 04:18.10 | ectospasm | YMMV, of course. |
| 04:18.58 | DeHalfaD | I still dunno what that means mostly |
| 04:19.15 | DrakkenWarr | Agreed. Debian is really an amazing distro. I have ran it as my main for over 12 years now |
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| 04:19.43 | DrakkenWarr | I played with Fedora for a time. But it was not worth it in the end |
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| 04:20.24 | ectospasm | Fedora tries too much to be bleeding edge, and as DeHalfaD has noticed, that way is fraught with problems. |
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| 04:21.12 | DeHalfaD | Will deb play mp3's out the box? |
| 04:21.15 | DrakkenWarr | aye. DeHalfaD. You can have bleeding edge in Debian as well if you want. But I really would not recommend it |
| 04:21.16 | n2diy | A year ago I switched from Xubuntu to Squeeze, and have loved it, until now. My CRT monitor died, and the two LED monitors I've tried as replacements won't go any hire in resolution than 800x600? The CRT was running higher res. than that, so I'm frustrated trying to get get higher res. with the LEDs? |
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| 04:21.37 | n2diy | higher/hire |
| 04:21.45 | DrakkenWarr | are you using Arandr n2diy? |
| 04:21.59 | DrakkenWarr | do you have the right drivers for your vid card? |
| 04:23.00 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, haven't heard of Arandr, though I did play with Xrandr recently, with no luck. If I had the wrong driver for my video card, why did the CRT work ok? |
| 04:23.55 | DrakkenWarr | xrandr is old news and if you are going from one monitor to two, I would recommend either getting the driver suite for your card or at the very least installing arandr |
| 04:24.16 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, installing Arandr now, crossing my fingers, thanks. |
| 04:24.20 | DrakkenWarr | I would think it ran fine with one dedicated screen. But with 2 you have to split the difference and configure it correctly |
| 04:25.20 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, I'm still running a single monitor. Just can't get either of the two LEDs I tried to work. |
| 04:25.42 | DrakkenWarr | they might work with arandr. What video card do you have btw/ |
| 04:26.15 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, let me go look. |
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| 04:28.13 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, product: KM400/KN400/P4M800 [S3 UniChrome] VIA Technologies, Inc. |
| 04:28.59 | DrakkenWarr | yeah, so there are not any real specialized drivers and being that it is shared memory, that could be part of your resolution issue |
| 04:29.05 | DrakkenWarr | how much ram does the computer have? |
| 04:29.51 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, 1 gig |
| 04:30.08 | DrakkenWarr | yeah that could be a big part of your problem |
| 04:32.28 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, Ok, I'm a hardware guy, why would the old CRT work ok at higher res, and a newer LED monitor not work, or a brand new LED TV? |
| 04:33.22 | DrakkenWarr | available video mem. What is the res of the crt? |
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| 04:35.45 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, The CRT was doing 1068x760, or something like that. Why would more mem. be available for the CRT, and not the LEDs? Are there BIOS settings that could be involved? My CMOS battery is dead, so things could have changed there? |
| 04:36.35 | DrakkenWarr | 1024x768 I would think |
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| 04:37.16 | DrakkenWarr | an no. TBH, if you where only getting 1024x768 out of the CRT? I would think 800x600 at best would be all you would get out of dual screens |
| 04:37.31 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, sounds right, it would also go higher, 1200x???, but I didn't care for that res. so never used it. |
| 04:38.10 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, I am not running dual screen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 04:38.14 | DrakkenWarr | what is the spec? Age of the computer you are trying to run dual screens with? |
| 04:38.21 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, I am not running dual screen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:38.22 | DrakkenWarr | I know you are not now |
| 04:38.29 | DrakkenWarr | but you said you have two that you want to use |
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| 04:39.37 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, I want to get _one_ of them working at higher res., but neither one will. I'll use either one, but only one. |
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| 04:39.48 | DrakkenWarr | okay that clarifies it |
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| 04:41.28 | DrakkenWarr | As to why the lcd is not giving you the resolution you are looking for? It could simply be that LCD's are not as forgiving as CRT's. |
| 04:41.32 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, Sorry for the confusion. |
| 04:41.46 | DrakkenWarr | no worries |
| 04:41.59 | DrakkenWarr | I might not have the answer you are looking for anyhow, but I am willing to help if I can |
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| 04:43.03 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, Roger that, and thanks for you efforts so far. |
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| 04:44.37 | DrakkenWarr | no worries. So let's backtrack a bit. Are you running debian stable? Testing? Unstable? |
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| 04:47.05 | knightshade | hi |
| 04:47.17 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, The system here is just something I patched together from parts I scrounged. I finally ran out of CRTs for the thing, so I treated myself to a new LED TV, thinking it would work. It didn't, so I dug up an old Dell e153fpb monitor, and that isn't working any better. |
| 04:47.45 | knightshade | n2diy: when you run 'xrandr', is the native resolution of your monitor listed in the output? |
| 04:47.52 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, Ok, good idea. Debian Squeeze, 6.?. |
| 04:48.42 | DrakkenWarr | That would probably be a good option. But I was wondering what you are running on it now |
| 04:49.08 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, that is what I'm running now. |
| 04:49.22 | DrakkenWarr | okay |
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| 04:50.12 | n2diy | knightshade, no, just the lower resolutions, the specs. I've found on the Dell indicate it can do 1024 x768. |
| 04:50.38 | DrakkenWarr | And you are dealing with integrated graphics. |
| 04:50.43 | DrakkenWarr | hmm |
| 04:51.32 | n2diy | DrakkenWarr, Not that I know of, I've never attempted to set up integrated graphics. |
| 04:51.40 | knightshade | n2diy: does 'dmesg | grep EDID' give any output? |
| 04:52.28 | n2diy | knightshade, no, just returns a command prompt. |
| 04:53.59 | knightshade | n2diy: could you please pastebin the output of 'xrandr --verbose'? |
| 04:55.03 | n2diy | !pastebin |
| 04:55.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 04:55.19 | DrakkenWarr | pastbin the url n2diy |
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| 04:56.27 | n2diy | http://paste.debian.net/73733/ |
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| 04:59.12 | CosmikDaniel | You all work for Brother Miguel, so that you may keep me his. |
| 04:59.36 | CosmikDaniel | ji |
| 04:59.55 | CosmikDaniel | hi |
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| 05:01.39 | knightshade | n2diy: I think your monitor is not detected correctly, because the EDID data cannot be read or is corrupt. |
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| 05:04.12 | n2diy | knightshade, ok, I've read that will default to default monitor, and you can manually edit settings for xrandr to get higher res., but that didn't work for me a month ago with the TV, and I haven't tried it with the Dell yet. (forgot how to do it) |
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| 05:07.28 | n2diy | knightshade, playing around with Arandr, it is looking for files in ~/.screenlayout, and there are none. |
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| 05:10.36 | knightshade | n2diy: arandr is just a frontend for xrandr, so it won't work if xrandr didn't work for you |
| 05:12.42 | knightshade | n2diy: my idea was to add a modeline manually, but if you say that you have tried that already, i have no idea... |
| 05:13.06 | n2diy | knightshade, roger that, but..., now I have a clue. My ~/.screenlayout has no files in it, hopefully I can find an example file, and tweak for my needs? |
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| 05:14.24 | n2diy | knightshade, yes, I did try adding a modline entry somewhere? And it used to appear when I ran xrandr, but it is not displaying now? |
| 05:15.13 | knightshade | n2diy: add it again :) |
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| 05:15.55 | n2diy | knightshade, roger that, worth a try. I'm off to Google land. |
| 05:18.22 | knightshade | n2diy: the configurations with xrandr are temporarly, so you need to run xrandr again after a reboot |
| 05:19.07 | knightshade | n2diy: if you don't want to run xrandr every time, you could edit the configuration file of the xserver |
| 05:19.18 | dizzylizzy | I've got a question about backporting. Suppose I want to install the debian-handbook package that's version 7 (that is, for wheezy) into a wheezy install. (The debian-handbook in wheezy is for squeeze, not wheezy.) I could download the source package and build it as I would any other package, except that it requires an absurd amount of texlive dependencies to do so. Is there another way? |
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| 05:25.48 | bullgard4 | Iceweasel 17.0.9 does not respond to Ctrl+F any more. How can I fix that? |
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| 05:26.07 | dizzylizzy | do you have a plugin that might be eating it, something like vimperator? |
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| 05:29.26 | bullgard4 | '~$ find / -name 'vimperator' 2>/dev/null' does not produce any output. |
| 05:31.39 | n2diy | knightshade2, and how would I find the configuration file for the Xserver? Xorg-config is obsolete I believe? |
| 05:32.10 | knightshade2 | bullgard4: try '*vimperator*' |
| 05:32.59 | bullgard4 | '~$ find / -name '*vimperator*' 2>/dev/null' does not produce any output. |
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| 05:35.03 | Angel_of_Sorrow | hi |
| 05:35.12 | stew | n2diy: typically there isn't one |
| 05:35.56 | knightshade2 | n2diy: I'm not that familiar with debian, but it's still noted in the wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/Xorg |
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| 05:38.40 | knightshade2 | bullgard4: why are searching for vimperator stuff in the root directory? |
| 05:38.51 | knightshade2 | +you |
| 05:39.05 | dizzylizzy | it was just a categorical suggestion of plugins eating key entry |
| 05:39.21 | dizzylizzy | i've had that issue before with some keybindings |
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| 05:40.03 | knightshade2 | bullgard4: I'd use VimFx instead :) |
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| 05:40.40 | dizzylizzy | knightshade2: they are trying to find out why C-f isn't causing search to occur, that's all |
| 05:40.50 | bullgard4 | knightshade2: Because _all_ other directories are places below / . |
| 05:41.10 | Angel_of_Sorrow | You all work for Brother Miguel, so that you may keep me his. |
| 05:41.12 | bullgard4 | s/places/placed/ |
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| 05:44.36 | knightshade2 | bullgard4: does it work with a fresh profile? |
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| 05:46.52 | knightshade2 | bullgard4: or you could do a restart without loading the addons and see if it works; click "help -> restart without addons" (or something similar) in the menu |
| 05:46.58 | Angel_of_Sorrow | You all work for Brother Miguel, so that you may keep me his. |
| 05:48.23 | Urk | I can't get Firebug to work. It shows that I have version 1.12.5, which is the latest. Can someone help? I am running Debian Wheezy. |
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| 05:52.23 | Angel_of_Sorrow | You all work for Brother Miguel, so that you may keep me his. |
| 05:52.25 | bullgard4 | knightshade: Thank you for your two suggestions. It will take me a while to perform these two tests (analyses). |
| 05:52.53 | koshie | Urk: hi. What do you mean by «it's not working», what do you see and expect? |
| 05:54.00 | Urk | koshie> I spoke to soon. It looks like it is working now. I think it was just a glitch. |
| 05:56.07 | koshie | Ok |
| 05:56.10 | koshie | :) |
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| 05:58.00 | knightshade | that's a nice. a debugging addon which can debug itself :> |
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| 06:02.34 | Urk | is there a keyring for dotdeb packages? I am getting an error when updating, and it is looking for a keyring. http://www.dotdeb.org/instructions/ |
| 06:03.58 | dizzylizzy | Urk: does step #3 not solve the issue? |
| 06:05.04 | Urk | dissylizzy> oophs, sorry about that. it is ok now. |
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| 06:15.55 | tehrabbitt | I keep getting the error "asking for cache data failed" over and over every 20 seconds or so... it's referencing a drive that doesn't exist (SDB) |
| 06:16.35 | tehrabbitt | any ideas? |
| 06:16.41 | tehrabbitt | it's a brand new install |
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| 06:24.22 | tehrabbitt | anyone here? |
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| 06:47.31 | Some_Person | Can anyone suggest a lightweight email client that fully supports HTML? |
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| 06:47.52 | koshie | Some_Person: hi, claws-mail isn't too bad |
| 06:48.02 | koshie | Even if I'm using KMail since I'm on KDE. |
| 06:48.13 | Some_Person | koshie: Can't send HTML, and must manually press a button to see an email in HTML |
| 06:48.23 | BenNZ | is anyone able to tell me why the 304 legacy nvidia driver wants to use twice the ram? |
| 06:48.30 | koshie | Some_Person: you know, it's REALLy a bad idea to display automatically HTML into a mail |
| 06:48.40 | koshie | What ever the client, I'm always clicking to display it (when I do) |
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| 06:48.49 | Some_Person | koshie: Perhaps, but it's more user-friendly, and this is my dad I'm talking about |
| 06:48.53 | koshie | oh |
| 06:48.55 | koshie | ok I see. |
| 06:49.16 | koshie | I'm pretty sure most of the email client do what you want for your father. Have you tried some? |
| 06:49.26 | koshie | What's the desktop environment? |
| 06:49.29 | Some_Person | LXDE |
| 06:49.33 | koshie | I see :) |
| 06:49.56 | Some_Person | I've tried Icedove (works, but a bit slow on his old machine), and Claws Mail (would be great if HTML support was better) |
| 06:50.04 | koshie | You can, maybe, give a try with Icedove, bu I don't know if it do exactly what you need. |
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| 06:50.07 | koshie | oh |
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| 06:50.22 | koshie | You can maybe try KMail which isn't a bad one. |
| 06:50.38 | koshie | And can, at least, display automatically HTML |
| 06:50.45 | koshie | And I'm pretty sure it can send HTML too. |
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| 06:51.00 | Some_Person | that's KDE-based though; won't it look like crap in LXDE? |
| 06:51.05 | beardy | No. |
| 06:51.07 | koshie | No |
| 06:51.12 | koshie | It'll look Qt, nothing more :) |
| 06:51.17 | beardy | But it does not fall into "lightweight". |
| 06:51.34 | koshie | ... Mutt? :3 |
| 06:51.39 | koshie | (I'm joking, of course) |
| 06:51.50 | koshie | It's an old computer I guess Some_Person ? |
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| 06:52.12 | Some_Person | Yeah, it's an older machine. 2.0 GHz AMD Sempron, 1.5 GB RAM |
| 06:52.33 | koshie | I'm pretty sure KMail will correctly works on your computer's father |
| 06:52.48 | Some_Person | I know that's not terrible, but I'm still trying to get things as fast but functional as possible |
| 06:52.52 | koshie | I've already used KDE with Debian on a more or less same computer. So I guess KMail do the tricks... |
| 06:53.12 | koshie | Some_Person: My mother was using worst you know :p |
| 06:53.18 | koshie | it's not a so old computer |
| 06:53.35 | koshie | And for parents it's mostly enough! |
| 06:53.41 | beardy | Maybe you can bind a key in mutt to display your html in w3m. |
| 06:53.47 | Some_Person | The problem is he's used to his core 2 duo at work, so he thinks it's incredibly slow |
| 06:53.56 | koshie | Some_Person: buy a SSD |
| 06:53.59 | koshie | for him |
| 06:54.02 | koshie | He'll love it ;) |
| 06:54.17 | Some_Person | Would that actually be worthwhile on his machine? |
| 06:54.29 | beardy | Yes. |
| 06:54.30 | Some_Person | I'm not sure if it supports SATA |
| 06:54.31 | koshie | It'll be very faster. |
| 06:54.37 | koshie | hm |
| 06:54.45 | koshie | Just look :) |
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| 06:54.49 | beardy | Why not try something other than LXDE too. |
| 06:54.58 | koshie | beardy: LXDE is really lightweight |
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| 06:55.03 | Some_Person | beardy: Because it's lightweight |
| 06:55.05 | koshie | and at least it's usable. |
| 06:55.19 | beardy | I found it very sluggish compared to xfce. |
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| 06:55.31 | koshie | Some_Person: look for a 128Go, or less, just to install Debian and the binary on the SSD |
| 06:55.41 | koshie | beardy: Xfce is more powerfull, it's a complete DE. |
| 06:55.49 | koshie | LXDE is just an adaptation of Openbox |
| 06:56.12 | koshie | Some_Person: anyway, my recommendation: buy a SSD for your father and keep the data on the actual hard drive |
| 06:56.27 | koshie | Then the computer will be really faster, not more powerfull, just faster. |
| 06:56.40 | Some_Person | I might as well just move the whole system to the SSD if I'm going to do that. He's using an 80 GB hard drive right now |
| 06:56.48 | koshie | oh, ok |
| 06:57.08 | koshie | so buy a 32-64Gb SSD, install Debian on it and keep the data on the 80Gb hard drive |
| 06:57.25 | koshie | 32Gb is enough for Debian ;) |
| 06:57.26 | Some_Person | Why should I not just keep the data on the SSD? |
| 06:57.35 | koshie | Some_Person: it's not the point of a SSD. |
| 06:57.39 | koshie | you can do it |
| 06:57.41 | Some_Person | but there's so little of it that the HD seems pointless |
| 06:57.44 | koshie | but you'll kill it faster ;) |
| 06:57.50 | Some_Person | Oh, really? |
| 06:57.54 | koshie | 80Gb is 80Gb. |
| 06:58.01 | Penix | you won't kill it |
| 06:58.05 | koshie | Some_Person: the more you write on a SSD, the more you 'kill it' |
| 06:58.14 | koshie | Sorry, not the goods words, my english isn't great ;) |
| 06:58.24 | koshie | A SSD is dying faster than a HD |
| 06:58.30 | beardy | No, not really. A default install will kill it just fine by itself. "data" doesn't do writes. |
| 06:58.36 | koshie | fichier de |
| 06:58.38 | koshie | oups |
| 06:58.42 | koshie | https://wiki.debian.org/SSD%20Installation |
| 06:58.45 | koshie | Some_Person: read that |
| 06:58.59 | koshie | To optimize the usage of a SSD and make his life longer |
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| 06:59.21 | koshie | for example it's recommended to not use a SWAP, or you've to disable it. |
| 06:59.28 | koshie | Just usefull for hibernation |
| 06:59.36 | koshie | (the SWAP write a lot) |
| 06:59.44 | koshie | (and so, reduce the life of your SSD° |
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| 07:00.25 | Some_Person | Okay, I'll think about it and if I do decide to get an SSD, I'll follow what it says there. Thanks for the suggestion |
| 07:01.13 | koshie | no prob', for me a computer is a PITA without SSD, anyway! |
| 07:01.24 | Some_Person | I don't have a single machine with an SSD at the moment |
| 07:01.34 | koshie | just try on your father computer |
| 07:01.44 | koshie | and you'll be like: «How can I use a computer without it?!» |
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| 07:02.23 | koshie | I got to go, works... |
| 07:02.28 | koshie | Some_Person: good luck with your father ;) |
| 07:02.33 | Some_Person | Thanks koshie |
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| 07:14.06 | jrgill | test |
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| 07:14.25 | koshie | jrgill: it's not working |
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| 07:28.07 | tehrabbitt | anyone have any ideas on how to get my system to quit saying "[sdb] asking for cache data failed |
| 07:28.17 | tehrabbitt | Assuming drive cache: write through |
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| 07:30.24 | tehrabbitt | apparently it's the SD Card reader built in (with no card in it)... how do I get it to shut up |
| 07:30.27 | tehrabbitt | lol |
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| 07:43.49 | prem_ | my grub got corrupted, how to reinstall it in a lvm parition |
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| 07:59.14 | tehrabbitt | anyone on? |
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| 08:05.01 | koshie | tehrabbitt: just ask :) |
| 08:05.02 | koshie | (hi) |
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| 08:30.45 | jelly-home | tehrabbitt: does this keep repeating, or what? |
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| 08:33.00 | tehrabbitt | jelly-home: Yes, constantly. |
| 08:33.14 | tehrabbitt | jelly-home: from what I can tell, it's related to the builtin SD card reader |
| 08:33.57 | jelly-home | you'll have to figure whether something from userspace keeps polling the sdb device or whether the kernel is doing it on its own |
| 08:34.14 | jelly-home | does it happen before loggging in? |
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| 08:35.07 | tehrabbitt | jelly-home: not sure tbh |
| 08:35.31 | tehrabbitt | yes |
| 08:35.33 | tehrabbitt | it does |
| 08:35.39 | tehrabbitt | well... |
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| 08:35.45 | tehrabbitt | one sec, lemme log out completely |
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| 08:39.34 | jelly-home | could be a gnome vfs component polling the device incessantly |
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| 08:41.36 | tehrabbitt | jelly-home: hm... i'm using ldfe iirc |
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| 08:42.06 | tehrabbitt | jelly-home: lxde* |
| 08:42.33 | tehrabbitt | it's still happening when I log out completely |
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| 08:43.59 | tehrabbitt | Yep, it's def the SD card reader... I put a card in, it shows up as SDB and the messages stop |
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| 08:44.46 | nannes | hey everybody |
| 08:44.59 | nannes | There's a package that is available in Wheezy's repos, but I actually have Squeeze installed. |
| 08:45.31 | nannes | Is there a safe way to install this program in my Wheezy-box using apt-get ? |
| 08:45.39 | nannes | *squeeze-box, *sorry |
| 08:45.54 | jetscreamer | !backport |
| 08:45.54 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 08:46.14 | nannes | jetscreamer, ok, is it safe? |
| 08:46.16 | jetscreamer | wait i'm confused |
| 08:46.57 | nannes | jetscreamer: Your link points to what I need. Just let me ask, is it 100% safe? |
| 08:47.28 | jetscreamer | how about probably 95%? |
| 08:47.32 | nannes | eheh |
| 08:47.32 | ObrienDave | nannes, nothing is 100% safe |
| 08:47.36 | nannes | I'd prefer 100% |
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| 08:47.58 | jetscreamer | !tell nannes =about ssb |
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| 08:48.07 | jetscreamer | !tell nannes -about ssb |
| 08:48.11 | jetscreamer | i hate this kb |
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| 08:48.27 | jetscreamer | can't swear, make backup before you try.. 'should' be safe |
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| 08:49.15 | jetscreamer | i would count it as 100, but that's me take it with grain of salt, ymmv and all that |
| 08:49.53 | nannes | ok, so, I add the Backports repos, do an apt-get update and install the application. Just a question: Can the backports mess everything up, or I can install the app without fearing an eventual substitution of all my packages for the backported ones? |
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| 08:50.39 | nkuttler | nannes: "the app"? |
| 08:50.44 | tehrabbitt | jelly-home: any ideas on how to get it to stop probing the SD card? |
| 08:51.00 | nannes | nkuttler: the app = the package that I want to install |
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| 08:51.07 | nkuttler | nannes: yes, wand which one is it? |
| 08:51.14 | jetscreamer | think he wanted the name but i dunno i'm not him |
| 08:51.18 | nannes | Which, obviously, has its own dependencies |
| 08:51.19 | tehrabbitt | the other issue i'm having is that _something_ keeps overwriting resolv.conf with ONLY ipv6 addresses, no ipv4 addresses even though I have them set in dhclient.conf |
| 08:51.23 | nannes | !info alice wheezy |
| 08:51.26 | tehrabbitt | and /etc/interfaces |
| 08:52.09 | ar | it might be wrong, but i used to set the immutable attribute on some files that tend to get "automagically overwritten", like resolv.conf or grub.cfg |
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| 08:53.27 | jelly-home | tehrabbitt: you'll first have to figure out what "it" is |
| 08:53.38 | tehrabbitt | jelly-home: yeah, that's the tough part :( |
| 08:54.06 | jetscreamer | i unplugged mine, that worked.. |
| 08:54.15 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport alice --fromrelease wheezy --torelease squeeze |
| 08:54.18 | tehrabbitt | jelly-home: honestly don't even know where to start :( |
| 08:54.24 | judd | Backporting package alice in wheezy→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends-Indep: libanyevent-dbi-perl, libanyevent-http-perl, libirc-formatting-html-perl, libplack-middleware-session-perl, libtext-microtemplate-perl, twiggy. |
| 08:54.27 | nkuttler | nannes: i assume you implied you're talking about that package |
| 08:54.34 | nkuttler | there you go.. |
| 08:55.21 | nkuttler | nannes: of course you can also update build-deps, but you should probably just upgrade to the current stable release |
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| 08:56.14 | jetscreamer | was thinking about how to suggest that |
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| 08:56.33 | tehrabbitt | jelly-home: I've just never seen this before... _it_ only populates ipv6 nameservers into resolv.conf despite the ipv4 nameservers i've listed... upon ifdown / ifup, it DOES put the ipv4 nameservers in there, until it refreshes and loses them heh |
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| 08:58.00 | nannes | nkuttler: it's a hard matter, cause I need a special kernel to run on my machine |
| 08:58.09 | nannes | so I prefer keeping Squeeze |
| 08:58.36 | nannes | I've just added the backports repository (only "main") and unfortunately it doesn't seem to find that package |
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| 08:58.49 | nkuttler | ,v alice |
| 08:58.50 | judd | Package: alice on i386 -- sid: 0.19-1; wheezy: 0.19-1 |
| 08:58.55 | nkuttler | nannes: yeah, there is no backport |
| 08:58.58 | jetscreamer | why don't you compile your own kernel, lots easier than keeping up w/backports imo |
| 08:59.14 | nkuttler | nannes: what's so special about your kernel anyway? |
| 08:59.23 | nannes | it's for OVZ |
| 08:59.41 | nkuttler | i see |
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| 09:00.03 | nannes | anyway, the only option is just to compile and install it manually? |
| 09:00.16 | nkuttler | can you even do that? |
| 09:00.23 | nannes | eventually, yes |
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| 09:00.32 | nannes | But I was looking for a precompiled package |
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| 09:01.38 | nkuttler | nannes: btw, the build deps seem to be mostly perl modules, you could use cpan etc to install them i guess |
| 09:01.54 | nkuttler | i'd probably just use another irc client though tbh |
| 09:02.00 | nannes | lol |
| 09:02.03 | nannes | that's not for me |
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| 09:02.23 | nannes | Some people need it. They want it to be web-based |
| 09:02.50 | jelly-home | nannes: create a wheezy chroot, see how it works |
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| 09:06.16 | hyper_ch | question about preseeding: If I setup a preseeding file, will the package during instaltion only use the values as provided by that file as custom values and use for everything else the default one provided by the packager? |
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| 09:12.29 | neo1691 | I am going to install debian on more than 20 computers using PXE. Can I automate every installation so that I have minimal interaction with the clients? |
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| 09:13.25 | ompaul | you want to use ltps to make that as automatic as possible ime |
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| 09:13.33 | ompaul | ltsp even |
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| 09:13.50 | ompaul | or |
| 09:13.57 | ompaul | tftp sorry |
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| 09:14.36 | ompaul | neo1691: that will work, I'm not awake yet and frankly I'm not going to say more than search for debian tftp config |
| 09:15.23 | neo1691 | ompaul, thanks mate. :) |
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| 09:18.42 | nannes | So Wheezy is the current stable version. right? |
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| 09:20.28 | ompaul | nannes: so right |
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| 09:20.54 | nannes | That's a pain, but I think I will upgrade to it |
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| 09:21.18 | nannes | It's so bad to have outdated packages for no reason |
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| 09:21.46 | ompaul | !stable |
| 09:21.47 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.3); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 09:21.55 | ompaul | nannes: bad is an opinion, it wokrs |
| 09:21.59 | ompaul | and works also :) |
| 09:22.23 | ompaul | !testing |
| 09:22.23 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 09:22.48 | Deeps | nannes: it's not ideal to be using a platform that no longer receives security updates |
| 09:23.02 | Deeps | nannes: especially if that platform is on the internet |
| 09:23.15 | nannes | I know, that's why I'm gonna do it |
| 09:23.19 | nannes | (the update) |
| 09:23.23 | nannes | We are on the same side ;D |
| 09:23.34 | ompaul | nannes: wheezy is getting security updates |
| 09:23.37 | jelly-home | Deeps: but squeeze is still receiving seciruty updates |
| 09:23.53 | Deeps | jelly-home: \o/ |
| 09:23.55 | jelly-home | not for much longer, but |
| 09:24.03 | Deeps | i haven't read up much context, sorry |
| 09:24.09 | ompaul | nannes: sid and testing do not get security packages, but that is for a different reason |
| 09:24.28 | nannes | yeye I know |
| 09:24.36 | nannes | I'm going to install wheezy, that's all |
| 09:24.43 | Deeps | i thought sid did, (where do the security backports come from in the first place?) but testing didn't in a timely manner |
| 09:24.51 | ompaul | nannes: what are you running? |
| 09:25.01 | nannes | squeeze |
| 09:25.11 | ompaul | !squeeze -> wheezy |
| 09:25.20 | ompaul | oh bugger how does it go ? |
| 09:25.27 | ompaul | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 09:25.36 | ompaul | !tell nannes about squeeze->wheezy |
| 09:26.01 | ompaul | nannes: see the caveats in there - before you start apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 09:26.12 | ompaul | get your box to the latest of everything |
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| 09:26.46 | ompaul | nannes: also if you have package pinning in place remove it |
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| 09:27.00 | jelly-home | it's also possible his VM or VPS might not even be able to go to wheezy, which is another good reason to try a chroot first |
| 09:28.09 | ompaul | oh it's a vps |
| 09:28.20 | ompaul | then there is only one recourse - talk to the vendor |
| 09:28.47 | ompaul | actually jelly could we stick that into the upgrade factoid in some smart way? |
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| 09:29.13 | ompaul | tries and fails to get a reasonable wording |
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| 09:33.46 | hyper_ch | hi ompaul |
| 09:34.19 | ompaul | 'lo |
| 09:34.33 | hyper_ch | ompaul: you've worked with preseeding? |
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| 09:35.40 | ompaul | hyper_ch: you know as well as I do, that you ask the channel and whoever feels like answering will do so, yes, yes I did, but that was a long time ago. |
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| 09:36.13 | ompaul | it is over five years since I went down that route |
| 09:36.22 | hyper_ch | why not since? |
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| 09:37.05 | ompaul | better hardware default installs and a wget command for some self populating scripts |
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| 09:54.11 | jelly | ompaul: there's already too much in it, and I don't know the details |
| 09:56.02 | ompaul | ok |
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| 09:59.17 | bas | on a debian system, what is the easiest way to find all configuration files which have been added manually (e.g. not by a debian package)? |
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| 10:11.04 | no_gravity | Good Morning! |
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| 10:12.07 | no_gravity | When I do "sshfs host:/ /mountpoint; cp bigfile /mountpoint/" that bogs down all other programs that try to access the net while the file is copied. Is that normal? |
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| 10:13.02 | ChrisH | no_gravity: depending on the speed of you uplink its expected |
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| 10:14.01 | no_gravity | ChrisH: i would have thought when 2 processes try to access the net each gets 50% of the bandwidth |
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| 10:14.50 | ChrisH | no_gravity: why? |
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| 10:16.20 | ChrisH | unless you not put any restriction in place each one will try to get as much as possible. and depending on the protocolls used one will be the winner. Any since TCP session application will win over eg. http stuff with its request/response model and opening lot of short tcp sessions. |
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| 10:16.38 | no_gravity | ChrisH: interesting |
| 10:16.43 | jelly | no_gravity: are you sitting on an asymmetric link, with (lots) more download than upload bandwidth? |
| 10:17.28 | no_gravity | jelly: yes |
| 10:17.29 | jelly | no_gravity: it you are, sftp (sshfs) hogging the upload pipe will affect all other tcp connections |
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| 10:18.10 | no_gravity | jelly: ok |
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| 10:19.17 | jelly | you may try to throttle the ssh process, or use some more generic traffic shaping tool like wondershaper to avoid congestion |
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| 10:20.52 | no_gravity | jelly: well, i only do this every once in a while so no need to change it. i was just interested, why its that way. |
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| 10:21.14 | ChrisH | no_gravity,jelly asymetricall Lines are the next issue. If possible check the load on your router, Fritzbox eg show nice graphs there |
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| 10:23.00 | jelly | funny how I tend to get much better upload bw on the mobile phone than on a land line |
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| 10:28.42 | tapout | I'm trying to backup my Pictures to my debian box. I'm going to use btsync but I'd like to have encrypted files on the debian box... Can anyone think of a way to do this? Essentially what I'm trying to get is... remote backups where they are encrypted and only can be accessed by me :) |
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| 10:31.26 | farciarz84 | hi, what should I do in order to install python3.3 version on my wheezy. Currently I have 3.2 |
| 10:31.40 | farciarz84 | I've added deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian jessie main |
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| 10:41.33 | no_gravity | tapout: you can sshfs+losetup+cryptsetup |
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| 10:42.28 | babilen | farciarz84: Please *never* mix stable (wheezy) with anything but wheeze-backports as doing so *will* break your system. If you require Python3.3 I would recommend to compile it yourself and install it to /usr/local. "Manage" that installation with stow (cf. <stow usage>) and use virtualenvs and pip to install additional modules. It might also be a good idea to remove /usr/local/bin/python3 (if it is exists) to ensure that the system's 3.2 Python ... |
| 10:42.34 | babilen | ... version is not being shadowed. |
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| 10:43.00 | no_gravity | tapout: sshfs host:/ /mnt/a; losetup /dev/loop0 /mnt/a; cryptsetup b /dev/loop0; mount /dev/mapper/b /mnt/c; and then backup to c with rdiff-backup for example. |
| 10:43.02 | babilen | farciarz84: Ask our bot, dpkg, about the factoids in <…> with "/msg dpkg stow usage" |
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| 10:49.45 | farciarz84 | uff, hard... upgrade to jessie seems to be easier |
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| 10:51.03 | yalu | what's the best way to make sure mysql is not restarted when I install an update to it? |
| 10:51.11 | babilen | farciarz84: Well, that is not necessarily the case and certainly not a suitable setup in every case, but sure ... |
| 10:51.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell yalu about disable service |
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| 10:52.14 | farciarz84 | babilen: I expected ~ dpkg -i python3(...).deb |
| 10:52.25 | babilen | yalu: Unless you simply want to keep the old version running in which case it is, IIRC, not possible. The solution would be to *not* install the upgrade. |
| 10:53.27 | farciarz84 | don't want to keep old version, however no clue wheter debian is using it itself |
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| 10:54.09 | farciarz84 | i just want to upgrade from python3.2 to 3.3 and forget about 3.2 |
| 10:54.14 | babilen | farciarz84: How so? That would require a suitable Python3.3 version to be available for wheezy *and* that that version cannot be installed from official/online repositories. That would not only be slightly inconvenient, but would also hint at the introduction of unofficial third-party packages which really is something to be avoided. |
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| 10:55.42 | babilen | farciarz84: Python3.3 has not been packaged for wheezy and you will have to track jessie (current testing) if you want it as system Python. Wheezy comes with python3 version 3.2 not 3.3 and that won't change and there is no backport available too. |
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| 10:56.06 | farciarz84 | Your policy is for sure correct, don't understand me wrong - I'm just looking for shortcut, as compiling the sources + dpkg is somewhat painfull |
| 10:56.36 | babilen | farciarz84: I elaborated on your options and would strongly advice against "forgetting" 3.2 and overwriting 3.2 with 3.3 on wheezy as that might (will?) break other packages and programs that expect the system's python3 to be 3.2 |
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| 10:57.27 | ompaul | bas: you could use the search for the "find" command and how to use it to find files changed on on a date and time after the setting up of /etc a date you find by using stat /home/ |
| 10:57.45 | babilen | farciarz84: You would never use dpkg -- The way to deal with it on wheezy is to not involve the package manager at all, but to compile it locally and to install it to /usr/local (I would recommend to use stow to manage installations to /usr/local) -- module installations and the Python environment would then be manages solely with virtualenv and pip |
| 10:58.17 | babilen | farciarz84: If you want Python3.3 as system Python then you have to upgrade to testing or jessie. |
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| 10:58.58 | koshie | babilen: that's not possible to change the PYTHONPATH or something like that? |
| 10:59.14 | koshie | To tell to Debian to use Python3.3 instead of 2.* |
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| 11:00.05 | babilen | koshie: That is what virtualenvs do, but you really don't want to mess with the system's Python as every other package is build/designed with the assumption that the python version is 3.2 |
| 11:00.15 | koshie | I see |
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| 11:00.35 | koshie | There is maybe useful informations about this here: https://wiki.debian.org/Python |
| 11:00.44 | koshie | and there is #debian-python too :) |
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| 11:01.08 | babilen | koshie: No, no, no .... replacing Python 2 with Python 3 (as in "python" will get you "python3") is a very bad idea and is not what this is about at all. Either way it shouldn't be done. |
| 11:01.44 | babilen | koshie: yes, we can continue this discussion in #debian-python, but I don't see the point of doing that either ;) |
| 11:01.45 | koshie | ok |
| 11:01.55 | koshie | babilen: just telling this channel exist ;) |
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| 11:03.29 | babilen | koshie: You really want "python" and "python3" to be managed by the system and to be the default python version for your release as all other packages assume that. If you want additional Python2 or Python3 versions than the best way to achieve that is to install it manually into /usr/local and to make sure that it doesn't interfere with those that are installed by the package manager. |
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| 11:38.16 | nell | if I create a file based image then mount the image |
| 11:38.21 | nell | how do I VNC into it? |
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| 11:38.39 | nell | I mounted my usb which i installed debian to, but I am running a different instance of debian |
| 11:38.44 | nell | i want to combine the two elegantly |
| 11:38.48 | nell | and access either gui |
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| 11:40.15 | ompaul | you don't, you might consider running it in say kvm and then you could connect remotely if you have the software running on it |
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| 11:50.06 | Bardamu | Hi |
| 11:50.12 | Bardamu | my debian restart by itself |
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| 11:50.49 | iceroot | Bardamu: maybe something in /var/log/syslog ? |
| 11:51.04 | iceroot | if the question is "why did my debian restart by its own" |
| 11:51.15 | Bardamu | yes |
| 11:51.20 | Bardamu | I didn't find something in |
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| 11:51.31 | Bardamu | maybe I don't analyse well |
| 11:51.51 | iceroot | a restart should always show something like "shutting down services xy" |
| 11:52.37 | iceroot | if there is nothing inside maybe it was a lose of power and the bios is set to "restart after losing the power" |
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| 11:54.14 | aborrero | hi there |
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| 11:57.15 | Bardamu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.25 | Bardamu | maybe this ? |
| 11:57.29 | iceroot | Bardamu: ok, so its a hardware problem |
| 11:57.49 | iceroot | Bardamu: the pcs today will shutdown when the temperature is getting to hot to protect the hardware |
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| 11:59.01 | Bardamu | why it became too hot ? :D |
| 11:59.15 | iceroot | Bardamu: i like "sensorsd" a lot. its a nice program so monitor the temeprature. sudo apt-get install sensord; sudo sensor-detect after that you can always use sensors to see the current temeprature |
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| 12:00.07 | Kuba | hey |
| 12:00.15 | Kuba | is it possible to install Debian on UEFI machine? |
| 12:00.20 | iceroot | Bardamu: if it is a laptop its not a good idea to use it in the bed for example when no air can reach the fan, sometimes the kernel is not able to talk correctly with the fan to adjust the speed correctly |
| 12:00.32 | farciarz84 | babilen: thx for your help |
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| 12:01.19 | iceroot | Kuba: yes |
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| 12:01.53 | Bardamu | I have 81 celsius |
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| 12:02.26 | koko_ | hello on my wheezy i search programm for Recording, editing and mastering song |
| 12:02.39 | iceroot | Bardamu: that is high for most cpus |
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| 12:02.42 | iceroot | temp1: +57.0°C (crit = +85.0°C) |
| 12:02.49 | iceroot | this is an intel celeron |
| 12:02.51 | koko_ | like adobe audio on win |
| 12:03.00 | Kuba | iceroot: wheezy? |
| 12:03.15 | iceroot | Kuba: related to my google search, yes |
| 12:03.28 | Bardamu | maybe I have to stop it |
| 12:03.42 | Bardamu | some minutes |
| 12:03.52 | Kuba | iceroot: so you never tried? |
| 12:03.58 | marasek | hello, I want to have a user which won't have bash or another shell, but a script instead. I now how this works, but I want them to authenticate against a user database |
| 12:04.02 | iceroot | Bardamu: there should also be a line like this fan1: 1180 RPM |
| 12:04.11 | iceroot | Kuba: luckily i dont own uefi devices |
| 12:04.30 | marasek | so I'm pondering about security implications if the linux user doesn't have a password |
| 12:04.42 | marasek | even if it had, it would be widely available |
| 12:05.15 | Kuba | marasek: login is required before shell starts |
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| 12:05.22 | junka | when will debian 8 be releases? |
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| 12:05.33 | Kuba | marasek: so what is the problem? |
| 12:05.56 | iceroot | junka: when its done |
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| 12:06.07 | marasek | Kuba: just asking whether a password less user is total nogo or if there are ways to break out of my script into a shell. |
| 12:06.19 | linedash | uefi is the norm for all new gear |
| 12:06.23 | Bardamu | iceroot: where ? |
| 12:06.26 | Kuba | linedash: indeed |
| 12:06.27 | linedash | so get used to it :> |
| 12:07.57 | marasek | linedash: how did they say on 30C3? uefi is practical, because you can load modules. one module for every intelligence agency... |
| 12:08.00 | Kuba | marasek: well I don't think it would be possible to "break OUT" as there will be no shell running at the time your script runs, right? |
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| 12:08.06 | iceroot | Bardamu: in the output of sensors |
| 12:08.13 | Kuba | marasek: so it is just a matter of securing your script |
| 12:08.24 | Bardamu | iceroot: no I don't have |
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| 12:08.39 | Kuba | marasek: so that it's not possible to spawn a shell |
| 12:09.36 | folial | good morning! please, what is the quickest way to get the whole list of manually installed packages in wheezy? |
| 12:09.44 | marasek | Kuba: ok, it doesn't execute any shell commands and doesn't read any files related to user input |
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| 12:10.03 | marasek | Kuba: but I would have to secure services which use PAM for instance. |
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| 12:10.34 | marasek | Kuba: that's what I saw as risk, do you see something else? |
| 12:10.46 | Kuba | marasek: when exactly do you want to run the script? |
| 12:10.49 | Bardamu | I will shutdown some minutes my pcs |
| 12:10.53 | Bardamu | bye and thanks |
| 12:10.59 | iceroot | marasek: the script itself is using a shell so your user is allowed to execute a shell |
| 12:11.27 | marasek | Kuba: people login, and instead of getting a shell, they get the script |
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| 12:11.42 | iceroot | marasek: and what for example when you put the script in background? (ctrl +z) |
| 12:12.42 | marasek | iceroot: nothing happens. |
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| 12:14.28 | Kuba | iceroot: you won't be able to put the script into the bg as shell is not started, so no job processing |
| 12:14.46 | Kuba | iceroot: I think he means changing shell in /etc/passwd to his binary |
| 12:14.55 | Kuba | marasek: right? |
| 12:14.59 | iceroot | Kuba: ah ok |
| 12:15.00 | marasek | Kuba: right |
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| 12:15.46 | marasek | I do this, because it is much more faster to code as compared to a web application and so far I think it is much easier to secure |
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| 12:16.43 | marasek | (remove that first ,) |
| 12:17.20 | Kuba | marasek: I'm no expert, but I'd say that given you sanitize user input and make sure your script doesn't do anything nasty, you should be fine ;) |
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| 12:19.42 | marasek | well, thanks Kuba & iceroot |
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| 12:21.11 | marasek | nice day to everyone! |
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| 12:42.56 | Richlv | just in case any lintian maintainer happens to see this, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729593 ;) |
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| 12:46.39 | daemonkeeper | They will get your bug by mail. |
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| 12:52.41 | xdccMule[2441GW] | Ciao a tutti :D |
| 12:52.48 | xdccMule[2441GW] | hallo |
| 12:52.54 | xdccMule[2441GW] | !list |
| 12:52.54 | dpkg | xdccmule[2441gw]: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 12:54.06 | Penix | ... |
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| 12:57.59 | Kuba | is there any preferred fs for /boot? |
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| 12:58.06 | Kuba | ext2? |
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| 13:00.28 | ompaul | Kuba: I use ext4 on classic hard disk, what were you thinking about this for? |
| 13:01.09 | iKb | is possible to generate a d-i preseed file from an installed system |
| 13:01.20 | Kuba | ompaul: laptop, dual boot with win 8.1 uefi, sid |
| 13:01.35 | DotHack | Kuba: ext2 is probably ok. and best support for older bootloaders |
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| 13:01.46 | Kuba | ompaul: + LUKS/dm-crypt and LVM inside |
| 13:02.00 | Kuba | DotHack: mhm, okay |
| 13:02.06 | DotHack | Kuba: ext4 is also ok if using a newer grub |
| 13:02.41 | Kuba | DotHack: I'd guess sid has pretty new grub |
| 13:02.47 | Penix | might as well go with ext3. can still be mounted as ext2 if necessary |
| 13:02.49 | DotHack | Kuba: yep |
| 13:03.19 | Kuba | would Windows Bootloader recognise it though? |
| 13:03.49 | Penix | Kuba: ext2 and 3 are basically the same thing. ext3 just has a journal |
| 13:03.58 | ompaul | Kuba: ext4 with grub2 for /boot after that you are on your own, you can't actually install sid, you //have// to install stable (even a minimal one) dist-upgrade to the latest packages sec fixes etc, change the repo name to testing dist-upgrade and same again to sid (but maybe I'm too cautious and it all works via a chroot or some such) |
| 13:04.02 | Penix | Kuba: I wouldn't touch the windows bootloader with a ten foot pole though |
| 13:04.22 | Penix | Kuba: use anything else if you're multi-booting |
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| 13:04.43 | Kuba | ppl seem to succed with EasyBCD setting it up |
| 13:04.55 | ompaul | no idea what EasyBCD is |
| 13:05.05 | ompaul | no windows knowledge either |
| 13:05.24 | Penix | Kuba: you won't get any support here, or many others places, if you using something besides grub |
| 13:05.24 | Kuba | ompaul: also, you can go from testing iso to sid, right? |
| 13:06.45 | Kuba | ompaul: or use netboot mini.iso, per https://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ |
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| 13:07.14 | Kuba | wouldn't that be advised? |
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| 13:07.24 | Penix | we don't really advise people to use sid |
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| 13:07.50 | Penix | infact, it's discouraged unless you're absolutely sure you're capable of troubleshooting and supporting yourself most of the time |
| 13:07.51 | ompaul | Kuba: the testing cd is not an install cd, it is for TESTING THE INSTALLER |
| 13:07.54 | Kuba | I'm succesfully running two laptops with sid |
| 13:08.06 | Absolute0 | I need to get an email server running on my debian wheezy 7.2. What is the debian way of doing this, and which email server should I go with? The results on google bring up varying solutions. |
| 13:08.12 | Penix | then you should have an idea of how to go about things |
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| 13:08.21 | Absolute0 | dovecot or postfix? |
| 13:08.29 | Kuba | Penix: well, I used to go from stable -> testing -> unstable |
| 13:08.29 | ompaul | Absolute0: they work together |
| 13:08.34 | Penix | Absolute0: they're both different things |
| 13:08.40 | Kuba | Penix: but then I can see mini.iso solution is mentioned on the wiki |
| 13:08.50 | DotHack | Absolute0: what do you consider an email server? |
| 13:08.51 | Kuba | Penix: and so I'm asking for your thought ;) |
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| 13:08.59 | Kuba | thoughts * |
| 13:09.02 | ompaul | Kuba: what did I advise? Why did I advise it? I'm not going to change my mind. |
| 13:09.05 | Absolute0 | I have a webapp, I need to send emails to users. |
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| 13:09.22 | ompaul | Absolute0: so you just need a smarthost and postfix |
| 13:09.24 | Kuba | ompaul: ok |
| 13:09.32 | Penix | Kuba: do whatever has worked for you in the past then. I've always done stable netinst, followed by dist-upgrade to sid |
| 13:09.38 | Absolute0 | ompaul: is the there a debain wiki page for that? |
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| 13:09.44 | ompaul | Absolute0: unless you need to recieve mail back and you need an MX record for that |
| 13:09.54 | Absolute0 | ompaul: that would be nice too. |
| 13:09.59 | Kuba | Penix: without upgrading to testing? interesting |
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| 13:10.07 | ompaul | Absolute0: then it is not a smart hose |
| 13:10.08 | ompaul | Absolute0: then it is not a smart host |
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| 13:10.26 | Absolute0 | ompaul: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en? |
| 13:10.27 | ompaul | Absolute0: unless you have addresses you are going to stick in the client |
| 13:10.37 | ompaul | Absolute0: for what? |
| 13:11.01 | ompaul | https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix |
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| 13:11.13 | ompaul | Absolute0: more words better query |
| 13:11.41 | Absolute0 | okay, I'll start with postfix. Let's see if it does what I need. |
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| 13:11.53 | Absolute0 | When I tried installing postfix on other distros, it turned out to be a pain. |
| 13:11.55 | ompaul | Absolute0: no, you start with DNS |
| 13:11.57 | Absolute0 | Too many steps involved |
| 13:11.58 | DotHack | Absolute0: exim4 is on it standard why not use that one |
| 13:12.15 | ompaul | Absolute0: if it is too many steps you are doing the wrong thing :) |
| 13:12.35 | ompaul | Absolute0: apt-get install, some config lines to tell it where what when etc, restart |
| 13:12.41 | Absolute0 | DotHack: what's the difference between exim4 and postfix? Is that like apache vs nginx? |
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| 13:13.03 | Godsey | exim4 is mostly end of life now right? |
| 13:13.48 | Absolute0 | "Install postfix (this will remove exim since there can't be two mail systems)." |
| 13:13.50 | DotHack | Godsey: what? debian is shipping it as default |
| 13:14.12 | Godsey | yes but the author retired |
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| 13:14.45 | DotHack | Godsey: whay? Why? when? nobody picked up development... |
| 13:14.53 | Absolute0 | https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/DefaultMTA |
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| 13:16.08 | Godsey | the author retired in 2007 and he's not really too active on the project anymore |
| 13:16.19 | Godsey | but it's not like mtas need much innovation now |
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| 13:17.13 | Absolute0 | Godsey: that's a weak argument. |
| 13:17.18 | Absolute0 | What about bug fixes? |
| 13:17.18 | hyper_ch | question about preseeding: If I setup a preseeding file, will the package during instaltion only use the values as provided by that file as custom values and use for everything else the default one provided by the packager? |
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| 13:17.39 | Godsey | there are maintainers |
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| 13:17.52 | Godsey | but he was the driving force behind exim |
| 13:18.00 | Absolute0 | so dpkg -l|grep exim brings up three packages. |
| 13:18.06 | Absolute0 | Seems like it's already installed |
| 13:18.26 | Absolute0 | ehh, choices are paralyzing |
| 13:19.14 | Kuba | Absolute0: try all of them and then make up your mind |
| 13:19.19 | pfote | lets see how it evolves .. wouldn't mind postfix becoming default |
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| 13:19.41 | Kuba | Absolute0: depends on why you need mail server |
| 13:19.56 | Absolute0 | Kuba: email users of a webapp |
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| 13:20.15 | Absolute0 | without relying on a fake gmail account |
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| 13:21.14 | pfote | just for sending you dont need a fully fledged MTA |
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| 13:21.50 | Godsey | exim has had mostly bug/security fixes since 2007 |
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| 13:22.28 | nkuttler | and smtp has changed much since 2007? |
| 13:22.53 | Godsey | 13:15:49 Godsey | but it's not like mtas need much innovation now │ _val_ |
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| 13:23.28 | Absolute0 | mta's are silly |
| 13:23.36 | Absolute0 | we should be using rest for emails these days |
| 13:23.44 | Absolute0 | REST |
| 13:23.48 | nkuttler | anyway, meta discussions should be in #debian-offtopic |
| 13:24.53 | Godsey | debian specific: exim is linked to gnutls which is discouraged because gnutls robs entropy |
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| 13:25.21 | nkuttler | Godsey: #debian is for support though, not generic debian chat |
| 13:25.34 | Godsey | ok :) |
| 13:27.44 | Absolute0 | okay, postfix seems to work... |
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| 13:28.44 | Absolute0 | Although, I don't know what exactly I did. |
| 13:29.21 | DotHack | Absolute0: be carefull before you know it you could be configuring your server as an openrelay |
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| 13:29.53 | Absolute0 | DotHack: that's not what I meant. I have a linode and not sure if my domain is set up. |
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| 13:30.01 | Absolute0 | so I sent and email with telnet and it worked |
| 13:30.06 | Absolute0 | but I couldn't receive an email |
| 13:30.12 | Absolute0 | let me try the mx record thing |
| 13:31.02 | DotHack | Absolute0: for receiving email you must have a domain setup with MX records pointing to your server.. also your server should know what domain it is receiving mail for. |
| 13:31.03 | Absolute0 | what should I enter for priority, host, points to, action? |
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| 13:31.43 | Kuba | Absolute0: pls use google |
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| 13:31.49 | ompaul | Absolute0: you are now way beyond help, you are describing your internal monologue, I suggest you do one of two things, you either (A) outsource it all (B) go read a lot more, mail servers are not trivial |
| 13:31.52 | Kuba | Absolute0: you are lacking basics of the DNS system |
| 13:31.52 | nannes | hey |
| 13:31.57 | nannes | I need ruby-bundle |
| 13:32.03 | nannes | how is that called in squeeze? |
| 13:32.11 | ompaul | !squeeze |
| 13:32.11 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <squeeze release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.8>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 13:32.21 | Absolute0 | !wheezy |
| 13:32.22 | dpkg | Wheezy is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 7.0, released on 2013-05-04: http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 . Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <release notes> <squeeze->wheezy>. Currently <7.3>. |
| 13:32.28 | Kuba | nannes: did you try apt-file? |
| 13:33.41 | nannes | Kuba: nope |
| 13:33.56 | nannes | doesn't it exist as a normal package? |
| 13:34.18 | Kuba | nannes: go and check it yourself |
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| 13:34.31 | Absolute0 | Nevermind the receiving email went through, it just had to wait. |
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| 13:34.49 | nannes | Kuba: already checked |
| 13:34.57 | nannes | not with that name, no. |
| 13:35.03 | sweb | is any configure for pureftp for limited special users to special path ? like chroot |
| 13:35.13 | sweb | or any ftp server |
| 13:35.18 | nannes | So, my question is, do you know how is it called the debian package for ruby-bundle? |
| 13:35.21 | Absolute0 | Is changing the domain of a linux box as easy as changing the hostname? |
| 13:35.26 | Kuba | nannes: also, http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 13:35.36 | Absolute0 | nannes: aptitude search ruby|grep bundle |
| 13:35.58 | nannes | nothing |
| 13:36.03 | Kuba | nannes: ask at #ruby then |
| 13:36.07 | nannes | and nothing in packages.debian.org too |
| 13:36.23 | nannes | well, this is a debian matter to make packages available, lol |
| 13:36.32 | Absolute0 | nannes: the hell is ruby-bundle? |
| 13:36.40 | nannes | -.-' |
| 13:36.47 | Absolute0 | try aptitude search ruby|less |
| 13:37.23 | Kuba | nannes: googling "ruby-bundle" returns nothing relevant |
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| 13:38.05 | nannes | ruby-bundler* |
| 13:38.11 | Absolute0 | What's the difference between NIS/YP domain name and DNS domain name? |
| 13:38.54 | Kuba | nannes: did you try "bundler"? |
| 13:39.04 | Absolute0 | nannes: what is this for? |
| 13:39.10 | nkuttler | ,v bundler |
| 13:39.11 | judd | Package: bundler on i386 -- wheezy: 1.1.4-6; jessie: 1.5.0-1; sid: 1.5.0-1 |
| 13:39.13 | Absolute0 | if you need ruby do aptitude install ruby |
| 13:39.16 | Kuba | nannes: next time you apt-cache search or aptitude |
| 13:39.45 | folial | please, what is the quickest way to get the whole list of manually installed packages in wheezy? |
| 13:41.01 | Kuba | folial: http://superuser.com/questions/43342/how-can-i-display-the-list-of-all-packages-installed-on-my-debian-system |
| 13:41.12 | Kuba | folial: first google result |
| 13:42.07 | Absolute0 | today is definetly noob day, myself included. |
| 13:42.20 | Absolute0 | what's the easiest linux mail client? |
| 13:42.24 | Absolute0 | to use |
| 13:42.25 | Kuba | ... |
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| 13:42.41 | Kuba | Absolute0: Thunderbird |
| 13:42.57 | Absolute0 | Sorry, I meant cli. |
| 13:43.01 | nannes | <Kuba> nannes: did you try "bundler"? next time you apt-cache search or aptitude |
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| 13:43.09 | iceroot | Kuba: that is not giving the manual installed packages, only a list of all packages, he wants all packages which are not from a repo |
| 13:43.14 | nannes | Kuba: I told you I already did |
| 13:43.35 | nannes | anyway, don't mind,, |
| 13:43.45 | Absolute0 | or I should just learn how to use 'mail'... |
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| 13:43.52 | Kuba | nannes: it seems like squeeze does not have bundler in the repos |
| 13:43.55 | Kuba | ,v bundler |
| 13:43.56 | judd | Package: bundler on i386 -- wheezy: 1.1.4-6; jessie: 1.5.0-1; sid: 1.5.0-1 |
| 13:44.00 | Kuba | nannes: ^ |
| 13:44.28 | Kuba | nannes: you will have to install it yourself, possibly in the home dirrectory not to pollute system wide files |
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| 13:44.58 | Kuba | Absolute0: less /var/mail/<filename> would be easiest |
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| 13:45.23 | Kuba | Absolute0: if you wan't to read |
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| 13:45.50 | Kuba | iceroot: there are appropirate commands listed out there |
| 13:46.03 | Absolute0 | sweet mutt uses vim |
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| 13:46.21 | folial | Kuba: I don't need the list of all installed packages, but those manually installed |
| 13:46.21 | folial | Kuba: the answer you point out is about aptitude, that in wheezy is no more the first suggested choice |
| 13:46.21 | folial | if i am not wrong... |
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| 13:46.39 | Kuba | mutt uses whatever you defined in $EDITOR or $VISUAL ;) |
| 13:46.47 | Kuba | Absolute0: ^ |
| 13:47.18 | Absolute0 | Kuba: heh the entire inbox is just one file. Weird. |
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| 13:48.17 | Kuba | Absolute0: this is one of the formats of storing mail; google mbox and maildir |
| 13:48.26 | ChrisH | Absolute0: regarding mails, this is the expected behavior for maildir format |
| 13:48.40 | Absolute0 | anyways, I got email working. Thanks! |
| 13:49.17 | Absolute0 | When is it better to outsource emailing and when is it better two use your own email server? |
| 13:50.01 | ChrisH | Absolute0: outsource if you find it weird that there is only one file per user below /var/mail |
| 13:50.02 | Kuba | Absolute0: if you don't know then it's better to outsource :) |
| 13:50.31 | Absolute0 | I would think that once the load gets too much for your server... |
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| 13:50.40 | Absolute0 | but other than that, why should you outsource? |
| 13:50.45 | neys | ChrisH: nice ;) |
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| 13:52.41 | xand | because you don't know what you're doing. |
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| 13:52.48 | Absolute0 | xand: good time to learn. |
| 13:53.06 | Penix | Absolute0: then go learn. asking questions that google can answer in two seconds isn't going to help |
| 13:53.06 | xand | if it's not ... real users, sure |
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| 13:53.37 | Absolute0 | Yay, I managed to piss off the entire channel. :( |
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| 13:54.29 | Penix | Absolute0: there is an entire global network of computers storing information for a reason. relying on a handful of meatbags in an irc channel to repeat that information isn't the best idea |
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| 13:54.43 | Tom01 | Gnome is closing the windows after a while. Why is it doing that. Is it a known bug? |
| 13:54.46 | Absolute0 | Penix: sorry, I was just lazy. |
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| 13:55.29 | Absolute0 | But my first question was valid. There was no clear guide for which email server to install if you want to do things "the debian way". |
| 13:56.01 | Penix | even if it was valid, a quick search engine query would've given you all the answers you need |
| 13:56.03 | daemonkeeper | There is more than one way to do it. |
| 13:56.11 | Penix | for example, that debian defaults to a particular smtp server |
| 13:56.22 | ChrisH | Absolute0: Assuming you are designing some professional, commerical used setup, I would allways run my own server. For private I would reply on mail providers and pull mails from them into my local mail server. |
| 13:56.25 | daemonkeeper | Debian by default installs exim, but there are like 5 more being packaged and working fine. |
| 13:56.25 | Absolute0 | Penix: I did a search. And came here afterwards. |
| 13:56.29 | Penix | and that others are available. not to mention the boatload of howto guides for email server configuration |
| 13:57.13 | ChrisH | Absolute0: for home mail setup the recommendation would be exim or postfix most times. _I_ personally prefer exim over postfix |
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| 13:57.28 | Absolute0 | ChrisH: why do you prefer exim? |
| 13:58.01 | jmd | I need to reclaim some disk space. Presumably it is safe to rm -rf /var/cache/* Can someone confirm that? |
| 13:58.17 | Penix | jmd: umm. no |
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| 13:58.23 | stew | jmd: it should always be safe to remove files from /var/cache, but not directories |
| 13:58.33 | stew | so no |
| 13:58.41 | DotHack | Absolute0: heh not weird.. its the mbox format |
| 13:59.02 | ChrisH | Absolute0: because I was able to migrate from sendmail+spammassian+clamav to exim+spamassain+clamav within 1h whereas I was not able to do that using postfix with 1 day. |
| 13:59.05 | jmd | Ok. So I have to do somethinig like find /var/cache -type d -exec rm {} \; |
| 13:59.24 | ChrisH | jmd: Please check for eg /var/cache/bind/ I have some valuable data in ther |
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| 13:59.51 | Absolute0 | ChrisH: yes postfix can be a bit time consuming to set up properly. |
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| 13:59.59 | jmd | ChrisH: Mine is empty. |
| 14:00.18 | stew | jmd: you don't want -type d, you want -type f |
| 14:00.19 | jmd | (and presumably it would only be cached DNS records) |
| 14:00.32 | tete_ | hi, i have a question regarding dovecot. i would like to use dovecot 2.2.x features (especially pigeonhole). i have wheezy. is there some way to install that without using the repository from dovecot itself where it installs some packages which look older than repository packages e.g. (dovecot-common < 2:2.1.alpha1-0~auto+47 but 1:2.1.7-7 is installed.) |
| 14:00.38 | jmd | stew: Yes, of course. Sorry. |
| 14:01.00 | tete_ | and i really dont want to recompile it myself (i am not familiar with that and dont want to install gcc and such stuff on my little server) |
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| 14:01.21 | stew | "/var/cache is intended for cached data from applications. Such data is locally generated as a result of |
| 14:01.24 | stew | time-consuming I/O or calculation. The application must be able to regenerate or restore the data. Unlike |
| 14:01.28 | stew | /var/spool, the cached files can be deleted without data loss" |
| 14:01.29 | stew | oops, sorry, meant to paste on one line |
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| 14:02.16 | stew | but in any case, the FHS is clear that the administrator should be able to reclaim disk space at any time by deleting FILES from there |
| 14:02.30 | jmd | stew: You must have special privileges. I invariably get kicked if I type too fast. |
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| 14:07.39 | jelly | stew never types too fast! |
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| 14:07.58 | Albymig | ciao |
| 14:08.34 | xand | bye then |
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| 14:08.45 | jelly | the wording could benefit from explicitely saying directories, or anything other than regular files should not be messed with |
| 14:09.03 | Absolute0 | Penix: according to your logic, what is the purpose of irc? |
| 14:09.23 | stew | jelly: yes, I've written the authors about this years ago and never received a reply |
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| 14:12.01 | Albymig | ciao |
| 14:12.11 | Albymig | list |
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| 14:12.46 | Ivo | does anyone else get a bad certificate for https://lists.debian.org ? |
| 14:12.55 | xand | Albymig: this is not the channel you are looking for |
| 14:13.13 | stew | I'm amazed that after all these years this still happens and still only happens from italians |
| 14:13.26 | xand | stew: yes, it's very ... weird |
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| 14:13.48 | xand | Ivo: it looks OK to me, though I see the cert is only 2 days old - what shows as wrong with it? |
| 14:13.48 | jelly | Ivo: nope, a valid Gandi certificate with expiration 2014-12-31 |
| 14:14.28 | Ivo | I'm getting certificate chain of Gandi SSL -> USERFirst Hardware, latter of which is untrusted both by my chromium and firefox |
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| 14:14.46 | jelly | oh, your browsers don't have that root? |
| 14:15.04 | jelly | Ivo: versions of chromium and firefox? |
| 14:15.18 | Ivo | no hangon firefox trusts it |
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| 14:16.17 | Ivo | they're all specifically untrusted by my chromium, 31.0.1650 |
| 14:16.48 | stew | works for me with 31.0.1650.63 |
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| 14:17.42 | jmd | 6 |
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| 14:18.41 | jelly | Ivo: do you have a lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 69 Nov 28 2011 /etc/ssl/certs/UTN_USERFirst_Hardware_Root_CA.pem -> /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/UTN_USERFirst_Hardware_Root_CA.crt |
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| 14:19.11 | jelly | doesn't even know which ssl library chromium uses |
| 14:19.53 | Ivo | maybe I blocked them myself... |
| 14:20.07 | Ivo | http://www.cyberwarzone.com/cyberwarfare_blogs/stolen-usertrust-certificates |
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| 14:22.39 | skyy111 | Any attempt to run oVirt on debian? Any doc? |
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| 14:23.13 | Ivo | jelly: yar, i think i had blocked them after http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/advisory/2524375 etc :/ |
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| 14:23.35 | Absolute0 | does mutt/mail use localhost/25 by default? |
| 14:24.28 | jelly | Absolute0: no, they use /usr/sbin/sendmail interface for sending |
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| 14:24.57 | jelly | mutt in Debian has smtp support, but it's not used by default |
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| 14:25.59 | Absolute0 | jelly: okay, sending mail with mutt/mail/swak works just fine. But when I try Flask-Mail (http://pythonhosted.org/Flask-Mail/: a python email sending library) I get a Relay access denied error. |
| 14:26.13 | Absolute0 | I am using the defaults localhost:25 |
| 14:26.22 | Absolute0 | no ssl, no tls |
| 14:27.12 | jelly | Absolute0: configure your app to use /usr/sbin/sendmail, if possible |
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| 14:27.29 | Absolute0 | jelly: does postfix talk the same language as sendmail? |
| 14:27.46 | Absolute0 | I don't have /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 14:28.31 | jelly | Absolute0: that's weird. What software listens on localhost:25 and how did you install it? |
| 14:28.51 | Absolute0 | aptitude install postfix |
| 14:29.09 | jelly | Absolute0: you should have /usr/sbin/sendmail then |
| 14:29.13 | Absolute0 | https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix> telnet localhost 25 |
| 14:29.14 | Absolute0 | nope |
| 14:29.24 | jelly | Absolute0: show the output of ls -ld /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 14:29.27 | ompaul | jelly: Absolute0 referenced earlier to not knowing if there was DNS set up for this domain |
| 14:30.16 | Absolute0 | ompaul: not dns, but an mx record. |
| 14:30.49 | jmd | Isn't a MX record just a particular case of a DNS entry? |
| 14:31.10 | Absolute0 | anyways, upon further investigation it was already set up by my domain provider... |
| 14:31.20 | Absolute0 | jelly: nevermind, I ls'ed that using a regular user... |
| 14:31.23 | Absolute0 | it exists |
| 14:32.15 | ompaul | jmd: yes |
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| 14:32.46 | Absolute0 | ompaul: I might be a bit rusty with networking, that doesn't mean I can't figure it out. |
| 14:33.12 | Kuba | lol |
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| 14:33.25 | angelsl | hi |
| 14:33.31 | ompaul | Kuba: this is still going on :) |
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| 14:33.34 | Ivo | Absolute0: you need a working and properly configured SMTP server for flask-mail to use |
| 14:33.38 | angelsl | how should i partition a dedi that has.. 4*500GB disks? :l |
| 14:33.54 | angelsl | not one 2TB disk one four 500GB disks. bleh |
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| 14:33.56 | Absolute0 | switching to Flask-sendmail did the trick |
| 14:34.05 | Absolute0 | I guess flask-mail doesn't speak postfix. |
| 14:34.14 | Ivo | angelsl: merge them with BTRFS :D |
| 14:34.33 | pixelgremlins | Hey, I'm using Csync w/ Lsyncd to sync 2 web nodes, the Csync assigns root ownership to all the files, but I need www-data owner, how do I make it so all files in these directories remain chown www-data no matter who authors/modifies the file? |
| 14:34.50 | Ivo | Absolute0: I'd guess it speaks SMTP, otherwise it would be completely broken as a software package |
| 14:35.34 | jelly | Absolute0: I guess your MTA was not configured to listen on localhost |
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| 14:36.17 | ChrisH | angelsl: what does dedi means? Put the 4 500GB disks into one VG and your are done |
| 14:36.18 | Absolute0 | jelly: is that myorigin in /etc/postfix/main.cf? |
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| 14:39.35 | Ivo | Absolute0: your MTA (postfix) isn't configured properly I guess http://www.gammadyne.com/relaying_denied.htm |
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| 14:39.55 | jelly | Absolute0: no, read http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html and the bits about inet_interfaces |
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| 14:41.55 | jelly | Ivo: current best practice is to avoid any unauthorized relaying, and accept mail from your apps and users ONLY via submission service with smtp auth |
| 14:41.58 | Absolute0 | jelly: Is there a difference in effeciency if use sendmail instead of and MTA? |
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| 14:42.11 | jelly | Absolute0: don't use Sendmail. |
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| 14:42.23 | jelly | postfix is a reasonable choice |
| 14:42.25 | Absolute0 | postfix is running, but it can speak sendmail. |
| 14:42.32 | Absolute0 | or talk sendmail :) |
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| 14:42.53 | jelly | Absolute0: it has a compatible /usr/sbin/sendmail interface, if you're talking about that |
| 14:42.56 | Absolute0 | /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 14:43.21 | neys | Absolute0: your /usr/sbin/sendmail IS postfix ;) |
| 14:43.33 | Absolute0 | then why is it names sendmail? |
| 14:43.36 | Absolute0 | named |
| 14:43.45 | jelly | Absolute0: compatibility |
| 14:43.50 | Absolute0 | right. |
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| 14:44.37 | jelly | all MTAs in Debian MUST bring /usr/sbin/sendmail binary conforming to certain specs |
| 14:44.39 | Ivo | Absolute0: Flask-Mail speaks SMTP to any MTA. You need to configure your MTA to listen on the correct port, and accept mail from it |
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| 14:45.10 | Absolute0 | Ivo: well telnet localhost 25 worked |
| 14:45.23 | Absolute0 | doesn't that mean that the hostname is localhost and the port 25? |
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| 14:45.31 | neys | Absolute0: installing exim also gives u a /usr/sbin/sendmail pointing to exim. |
| 14:45.41 | Absolute0 | I probably didn't set up a username/password |
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| 14:45.48 | Absolute0 | and null fails |
| 14:45.49 | LordDeath | telnet... :-S |
| 14:46.09 | Ivo | Absolute0: it means that your MTA (postfix?) is listening on the port. But you still need to configure it to *accept* mail from places you want it to accept mail from |
| 14:46.20 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 14:46.25 | Absolute0 | let's take a look at the config |
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| 14:46.55 | Ivo | I don't know any sort of settings but surely there are quite a few quick starts around on getting it correctly configured |
| 14:47.20 | Absolute0 | https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix |
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| 14:48.01 | Ivo | and then also be the authorative MTA for your domain, if that's what you want |
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| 14:51.47 | stew | Ivo: what does it mean to be the authoritative MTA? |
| 14:52.07 | Absolute0 | stew: maybe the default one? |
| 14:52.10 | Ivo | it considers itself the official MTA for x domain |
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| 14:52.34 | stew | what does official MTA mean? |
| 14:52.42 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 14:53.04 | voxadam | I have a couple cifs shares that mount rw at boot using fstab. Root is able to write to the shares as expected but I would like specific users to alsohave write privlages. If I creat a new group and add these users to that group how do I give that group write access to those mounts? |
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| 14:54.37 | jelly | Absolute0: what's your goal, sending mail from a web app? |
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| 14:54.50 | Absolute0 | jelly: yup |
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| 14:55.06 | jelly | Absolute0: will you receive any mail from remote on this machine? |
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| 14:55.11 | Kuba | what are the alternative ways of making live usb? the default isohybrid + dd approach doesn't boot |
| 14:55.22 | Absolute0 | jelly: the postfix I |
| 14:55.46 | Absolute0 | jelly: the postfix I've set up can send and receive mail. Just this flask-mail library is breaking. So Flask-sendmail does the trick. |
| 14:55.48 | stew | Kuba: what exactly did you do with dd? |
| 14:55.58 | Absolute0 | Even though I don't have sendmail installed, it uses /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 14:56.12 | Ivo | Absolute0: there is also MSA functionality to know about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_submission_agent |
| 14:56.18 | stew | Absolute0: all MTA packages provide a /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 14:56.21 | Kuba | stew: dd if=<>.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M; sync |
| 14:56.34 | stew | Kuba: that should work |
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| 14:56.41 | Absolute0 | all these emailing protocols are silly. It's 2014, we should switch over to REST. |
| 14:56.45 | jelly | Absolute0: that's just fine. Make sure that postfix is ONLY listening on localhost ip, and you'll be reasonably safe. |
| 14:56.48 | stew | sync is not needed, btw |
| 14:56.59 | Absolute0 | Then anyone can do POST somedomain/username body |
| 14:57.10 | Kuba | stew: it is; dd finishes in a second ;p |
| 14:57.12 | jmd | Absolute0: REST ? |
| 14:57.24 | Absolute0 | jmd: what else do you have in mind? |
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| 14:57.33 | jelly | Absolute0: the problem space is much, much larger than you think |
| 14:57.45 | stew | Kuba: sync flushes filesystem buffers, your dd command shouldn't be altering any mounted filsystems |
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| 14:59.44 | jelly | Absolute0: there are mailing lists, forwards, autoresponders, offline clients, offline servers, and that's not even considering spam, sender and recipient verification, or other privacy issues |
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| 15:00.15 | Absolute0 | jelly: why can't all that be handled by a rest server? |
| 15:00.46 | Kuba | stew: bingo |
| 15:01.09 | jelly | Absolute0: changing the transport does not solve anything |
| 15:01.34 | jmd | Absolute0: WTF is a rest server ? |
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| 15:02.08 | jelly | jmd: REST is yet another RPC APIs over HTTP |
| 15:02.08 | Absolute0 | I'll be a #debian dude and do this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_state_transfer |
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| 15:02.29 | Ivo | REST is just a convention... |
| 15:02.30 | stew | Absolute0: you are saying something like "I shouldn't have to specify both a city and a postal code on my letters because they could deliver the mail with a car instead of a truck" |
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| 15:02.48 | Absolute0 | The problem is the car and the truck |
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| 15:02.58 | jelly | no, that's not a problem at all |
| 15:02.58 | Absolute0 | rest servers can be set up in a matter of seconds |
| 15:03.14 | Absolute0 | these ancient email servers are clumsy and require a lot of work to get them working |
| 15:03.30 | jelly | Absolute0: I can provision a mail server in seconds. |
| 15:03.34 | jmd | Any server can be set up in seconds. |
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| 15:03.52 | Absolute0 | I guess, if you know what you're doing and have done it a few times... |
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| 15:03.59 | stew | but then you have to build an entire new set of protocols/conventions on top of REST |
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| 15:04.26 | Absolute0 | stew: wouldn't that help improve email? |
| 15:04.33 | jelly | they require a lot of work because there are lots of features and integration methodology |
| 15:04.49 | jelly | Absolute0: not at all. You've jsut replaces the transport protocol. |
| 15:05.00 | jelly | just* replaced* |
| 15:05.08 | jmd | Email certainly does rely on a bunch of outdated protocols. Changing it however, requires that everyone must agree what to change it to... |
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| 15:05.28 | jelly | it's not SMTP that is problematic in itself, tho it certainly could be replaced with something modern |
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| 15:06.43 | jmd | Lots of people have come up with ideas for replacing it. However they all come in with the approach "Everyone must stop using SMTP and start using <my-wonderfull-system> because it is the best." |
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| 15:08.27 | jelly | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Mail_2000 is still one of my favorites |
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| 15:08.40 | jelly | not just because of the name and djb ;-) |
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| 15:09.23 | Absolute0 | hmm, a good phd thesis topic... |
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| 15:11.22 | jelly | Absolute0: indeed. http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1862272 |
| 15:12.19 | Absolute0 | how about an email protocol that's similar to bittorrent? |
| 15:12.28 | Absolute0 | I guess that would kill privacy |
| 15:12.47 | zinx | how about we replace it with $socialsite |
| 15:13.10 | jmd | Absolute0: The gnunet project has a number of PhD candidates working on such sub-projects. |
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| 15:13.31 | zinx | then all we have to do is get everyone to use the $socialsite that is /clearly/ the best (and we all know which one that is) |
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| 15:15.01 | Absolute0 | zinx: If that logic was correct, we would never have any standards. |
| 15:15.03 | jelly | perhaps unfounded speculation about protocols would be better continued in #debian-offtopic, let's keep the channel clear for actual tech support |
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| 15:16.08 | jmd | Or even ##networking |
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| 15:17.09 | jmd | jelly: Isn't "unfounded speculation" a tautology ? |
| 15:17.11 | pyrobisqit | Is it possible for mailservers to force them to connect to port 465 instead of port 25 for incoming mails? |
| 15:17.29 | pyrobisqit | Probably changing my DNS records? |
| 15:17.41 | ompaul | pyrobisqit: that is not how security works. |
| 15:17.43 | Absolute0 | pyrobisqit: you could try making an ssh tunnel |
| 15:17.51 | pyrobisqit | ompaul: How then? |
| 15:18.05 | Absolute0 | does ssh tunneling have access to the system reserved ports? |
| 15:18.08 | ompaul | pyrobisqit: my server expects to talk to yours on 25 |
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| 15:18.11 | jelly | pyrobisqit: why do you ask? |
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| 15:18.32 | ompaul | pyrobisqit: you want security use pgp to sign etc |
| 15:18.41 | wedge | TLS is where it's at |
| 15:18.43 | pyrobisqit | ompaul: So there's no way to encrypt mail in transit? |
| 15:18.48 | wedge | yes |
| 15:18.48 | ChrisH | pyrobisqit: you can have your external router/firewall translate from externalIP:25 to internalIP:465 |
| 15:18.49 | wedge | TLS |
| 15:19.03 | wedge | server to server encryption works fine if they support TLS |
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| 15:19.20 | ompaul | https://community.qualys.com/blogs/securitylabs/2013/03/19/rc4-in-tls-is-broken-now-what |
| 15:19.27 | wedge | and if you want client-to-client mail encryption without relying on whole chain of TLS, then use PGP |
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| 15:19.29 | pyrobisqit | wedge: I think my server (dovecot) supports STARTTLS for MTAs, will servers use STARTTLS when specified too? |
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| 15:19.34 | jhutchins | ChrisH: That wouldn't work. |
| 15:19.41 | Okee | Is there a way to use a Samsung Driver, instead of the generic printer driver that comes with Debian Stable? |
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| 15:19.51 | jhutchins | ChrisH: The sending system does not attempt to do an SSL handshake over 25. |
| 15:20.33 | ompaul | pyrobisqit: you can ignore everyone else on the world if you insist on some ssl / whatever protocol, you should encrypt the contents and be done with it, so your metadata can be gotten but not your content, oh wait... |
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| 15:21.09 | pyrobisqit | ompaul: So you're essentially telling me that there's no way to encrypt mail over the wire using standards? |
| 15:21.34 | ompaul | pyrobisqit: there is no way to do it from everywhere to everywhere |
| 15:21.35 | pyrobisqit | ompaul: You're telling me that I can not make pyrobisqit@myserver.com reach your server with an encrypted connection no one can sniff on? |
| 15:21.51 | jhutchins | pyrobisqit: If you have an open mailserver able to receive mail from third parties not pre-configured for your system then no, you can not enforce encryption. |
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| 15:22.16 | ompaul | pyrobisqit: email is broken haven't you been reading the papers :) |
| 15:22.27 | jelly | Okee: does this driver come in a deb package build for Debian, or as a .ppd file? |
| 15:22.29 | ompaul | pyrobisqit: I told you already, pgp / gpg the contents and get on with it |
| 15:22.40 | pyrobisqit | jhutchins: Yeah, I understand not every sysadmin wants or even cares about encryption, but will proper sysadmins let my mail reach their servers using an encrypted connection? |
| 15:22.49 | ompaul | pyrobisqit: no |
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| 15:22.58 | ompaul | pyrobisqit: the internet is not ready for that |
| 15:23.17 | Okee | jelly> I am just using the print feature in LibreOffice, and haven't printed from Debian stable before. |
| 15:23.18 | jhutchins | pyrobisqit: If you want complete answers, you need to read the related RFCs that define how mailservers are required to listen and respond. |
| 15:23.44 | jelly | Okee: how did you configure the printer initially? |
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| 15:24.01 | ChrisH | jhutchins: he only wanted to move the sendmail listener to someother port. Maybe I overlooked something. |
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| 15:24.03 | jhutchins | pyrobisqit: You can violate those standards, but if you do you will limit who your mailserver can talk to. |
| 15:24.30 | Okee | jelly> Except for selecting the print option in Libre Office, I haven't configured the printer. What should I do? |
| 15:24.30 | pyrobisqit | jhutchins: Ok, so just allow port 25 and hope people don't transfer sensitive information without using PGP? |
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| 15:24.52 | Kuba | stew: it doesn't boot anyway |
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| 15:25.13 | Kuba | stew: it's not eve recognised by my BIOS as bootable device |
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| 15:25.20 | Kuba | stew: btw UEFI |
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| 15:26.03 | jelly | Okee: Ah. You'll want to check whether Debian has any drivers for your particular model first, then. |
| 15:26.04 | zinx | pyrobisqit: considering certain governments consider all emails to be public anyway, you should be using gpg or similar for sensitive emails no matter what protocol is used :/ |
| 15:26.25 | jelly | Okee: how is the printer connected to the machine? |
| 15:26.40 | neys | Kuba: what filesystem is you iso? |
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| 15:27.15 | jelly | Okee: http://locahost:631/ is the generic CUPS (print system) interface. Visit that in your browser. |
| 15:27.20 | pyrobisqit | I didn't want to believe email is broken :( |
| 15:27.27 | jelly | Okee: sorry, http://localhost:631/ |
| 15:27.32 | pyrobisqit | Thank y'all anyways guys! :) |
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| 15:27.51 | Okee | jelly> Printer is connected with USB. |
| 15:27.52 | neys | Kuba: I think, UEFI boot devices need FAT32 |
| 15:28.04 | ompaul | Okee: you still configure cups to talk to it |
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| 15:28.34 | jhutchins | pyrobisqit: Systems from the early era of the internet tend to be optimized for maximum connectivity and the ability to work around problems. They are not intended for secure communication and never have been. |
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| 15:29.11 | jelly | Okee: good. Which model is it, have you checked it on openprinting.org? |
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| 15:29.41 | Okee | Samsun ML-2510 It is about two + years old. |
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| 15:32.01 | pyrobisqit | So what other standards are there for secure message delivery, apart from XMPP? |
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| 15:32.56 | stew | AMQP? |
| 15:33.27 | stew | Kuba: dunno, it really should work |
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| 15:35.33 | pyrobisqit | stew: AMQP also uses the user@server.tld format like e-mail does, right? |
| 15:36.35 | jelly | Okee: google for it and linux: https://www.google.com/search?q=Samsung+ML-2510+linux then pick the openprinting.org site in the results if it's there. It will show whether there are useful drivers. |
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| 15:39.44 | jelly | Okee: I have no idea whether Samsung has debian-compatible .deb packages, if they do, I guess you can try installing those instead. |
| 15:41.01 | ChrisH | jelly,Okee Samsung had in the past .deb to enable cups to access their printers. I have a CLP-510 color laser which needs a lot of assistance from the host and it works fine for me |
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| 15:41.44 | jelly | looks like those two models share the same open-source driver |
| 15:41.45 | Okee | It looks like they do have .deb drivers, but it is a bit difficult to figure out which one needs downloading from their website: http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Samsung/Samsung-ML-2510%E2%80%8E |
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| 15:42.01 | jelly | ,v printer-driver-splix |
| 15:42.03 | judd | Package: printer-driver-splix on i386 -- jessie: 2.0.0+svn306-2; sid: 2.0.0+svn306-2; wheezy: 2.0.0+svn306-2 |
| 15:42.19 | jelly | Okee: try installing that |
| 15:42.29 | ChrisH | does splix still get worked on? |
| 15:42.34 | jelly | then try adding the printer from the cups interface |
| 15:42.44 | jelly | has no clue |
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| 15:42.59 | jelly | has an Oki that talks PostScript |
| 15:43.17 | ChrisH | http://splix.ap2c.org/ Tuesday May, 15 2012: No the SpliX project isn't dead. |
| 15:43.40 | ChrisH | Okee: your ML-2510 is supported from slpix. |
| 15:43.46 | jelly | it's just resting |
| 15:43.58 | Okee | ChrisH> Where did you find that? |
| 15:44.11 | ChrisH | Okee 16:42 < ChrisH> http://splix.ap2c.org/ Tuesday May, 15 2012: No the SpliX project isn't dead. |
| 15:44.22 | jelly | on the googles, using keywords from the openprinting page for that printer |
| 15:44.55 | jelly | ChrisH: possibly on the duckduckgoes? |
| 15:45.46 | ChrisH | jelly: duckduck and me are no friends... it does not work out with us |
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| 15:53.02 | Okee | There is no public key. Does that mean the driver isn't downloaded: https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/DriverPackages ??? |
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| 16:01.51 | jelly | Okee: what did you try to download? |
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| 16:02.35 | Okee | deb http://www.openprinting.org/download/printdriver/debian/ lsb3.2 main |
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| 16:03.02 | ChrisH | Okee: you check samsung.com for a driver package? |
| 16:03.30 | Okee | ChrisH> instructions indicate they have it -->https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/DriverPackages |
| 16:03.31 | jelly | let him try splix first |
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| 16:04.02 | Kuba | neys: so if UEFI devices need FAT32, how would I go about running debian live? |
| 16:04.07 | ChrisH | jelly: My experiences with splix and samsung unified printer driver was: samsung driver prints much better |
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| 16:04.26 | jelly | ah |
| 16:04.39 | jelly | hands Okee over to ChrisH |
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| 16:04.57 | ChrisH | Okee: http://www.samsung.com/de/support/model/ML-2510/SEE-downloads Unified driver |
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| 16:05.40 | ChrisH | Okee: IIRC this hooks into CUPS and offers you to configure the printer via cups web interface |
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| 16:13.56 | ChrisH | Okee: btw did you try to setup CUPS with the Samsung without installing anything extra? |
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| 16:14.28 | neys | Kuba: so u try to create a debian live USB stick? dd'ing the debian live cd to the usb device does not work, if u want to use it with an UEFI bios. at least it didn't when I tried. |
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| 16:17.13 | Okee | current getting no system default destination |
| 16:17.43 | neys | Kuba: I think, I used http://www.linuxliveusb.com from a Windows VM to create the USB stick and had still the problem with a wrong formated partition. Moving the contents from the stick to desktop, reformating the partition with fat32 and moving the contents back solved my problem |
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| 16:17.49 | Okee | ChrisH> I need to run an errand, and will be back in an hour |
| 16:17.56 | ankov | Might find all the other time. My playtime is **always** a |
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| 16:20.43 | Kuba | neys: ok, I'll try manual way |
| 16:20.45 | Kuba | neys: thanks |
| 16:21.16 | neys | Kuba: did u find that: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=309464 |
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| 16:21.52 | neys | Kuba: it says: If the Debian 7 installer runs perfectly for you in EFI mode, you don't need this! (to test this, copy the contents of the Debian 7 amd64 ISO to a FAT32 flash drive and boot it) |
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| 16:22.28 | Kuba | neys: thanks, will try that |
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| 16:22.54 | nprice | is there any way to force debian to recreate its default config files that are bundled with packages |
| 16:23.26 | nprice | say the config files in /etc/mysql got deleted, reinstalling the packages and dpkg-reconfigure don't seem to recreate the default config files that were in the directory |
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| 16:25.03 | wols_ | !tell nprice about confmiss |
| 16:25.20 | wols_ | nprice: mysql consists of more than one package |
| 16:25.34 | nprice | i know that :) |
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| 16:25.45 | nprice | confmiss looks like what i needed |
| 16:25.47 | nprice | thanks |
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| 16:35.33 | Richlv | daemonkeeper, sure, but i'm expressing interest in fixing results of that check, maybe that can help to make this potential issue more interesting ;) |
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| 16:38.05 | Okee | Chirs> Samsung says the following file will work, but the file is corrupted. We are trying to do something different, and I am talking to them in chat. http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/ML-2510/XAA |
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| 16:43.24 | killerbart10 | what website do i get unetbootin.deb from |
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| 16:44.04 | killerbart10 | ? |
| 16:44.06 | ChrisH | Okee: I downloaded the file and at least the tar tvzf file.tar.gz looks OK. |
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| 16:44.52 | Okee | ChrisH> I downloaded it from here, but it looks like I need to untar it. It is in gz format: http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/ML-2510/XAA |
| 16:45.07 | wols_ | killerbart10: packages.debian.org for example. you can't use it for creating a debian installer however |
| 16:45.17 | Kuba | neys: there are some symlinks that cannot be copied |
| 16:45.24 | Kuba | neys: how should I proceed? |
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| 16:45.30 | ChrisH | Okee: tar tvzf UnifiedLinuxDriver.tar.gz should show a list of files |
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| 16:46.35 | grep0r | killerbart10, download from their website, I don't think there's a .deb file |
| 16:46.49 | ChrisH | Okee: see priv msg with paste from samsung.com |
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| 16:47.28 | killerbart10 | ? |
| 16:47.41 | killerbart10 | k |
| 16:47.43 | Okee | ChrisH> What is your method for extracting? I tried this with the dpkg -i filename, and it didn't work. |
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| 16:48.24 | Okee | The ML 2510 is a very good printer, but the cartridges are really expensive. I didn't have luck with the aftermarkets, so I am going to look for someone to refill it for me. |
| 16:48.33 | Okee | Fry's only does inkjets. |
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| 16:51.50 | imau | hi, what happend to nginx in the testing ? |
| 16:52.00 | Kuba | tell us |
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| 16:52.47 | imau | package not found |
| 16:52.48 | imau | lol |
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| 16:53.59 | mrmr | anyone knows what kernel version debian 8 will have? |
| 16:54.48 | imau | it depends of the kernel version in testing when they decide to freeze |
| 16:55.19 | Kuba | imau: rotfl, indeed |
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| 16:55.26 | Kuba | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nginx no trace here |
| 16:55.34 | Kuba | ,v nginx |
| 16:55.35 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2; wheezy-backports: 1.4.4-1~bpo70+1; sid: 1.4.4-3 |
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| 16:56.37 | imau | i can't find any information on why |
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| 16:59.19 | stew | imau: http://packages.qa.debian.org/nginx would have a link to why |
| 16:59.30 | Okee | ChrisH> Sorry I was on the phone, but I am back. Thanks for your help. |
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| 17:05.25 | neys | Kuba: how did u try to copy the contents? |
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| 17:06.10 | Okee | After untarring a printer driver, what next do I do with it to get it installed? I am trying to install a Linux driver for my Samsung ML 2510 printer. |
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| 17:09.47 | oris | hello. I have issue with logitech usb camera, my pc recognizes it but I have a black screen. any ideas? |
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| 17:10.38 | grep0r | Okee, did you tried cups might not need to install something |
| 17:10.44 | grep0r | .cups |
| 17:10.51 | grep0r | ,cups |
| 17:11.01 | Okee | I am on cups page, and can't get any of the commands to work. |
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| 17:12.44 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | Has anyone else experienced sound out of only the Right Side with a headset? When I hookup an external usb sound card both sides play audio with the same headset. |
| 17:12.45 | ompaul | Okee: choose add printer - it should ask you for a username and password, root and root's password |
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| 17:13.10 | Okee | ompaul> Are you talking about at the command line? |
| 17:13.25 | ompaul | Okee: no web http://localhost:631 |
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| 17:14.57 | ompaul | Okee: I see you are in #linux - you should only ask in one place for two reasons |
| 17:15.17 | ompaul | one you may get different approaches, the other is it is wasteful of peoples time |
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| 17:15.32 | Okee | Sorry, I posted in there because I didn't hear back from anyone, and wasn't expecting both channels to light up. |
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| 17:16.22 | Okee | I am already in CUPS, but havng trouble getting anything to work. Give me a couple of moments, and I will se if i can get the pointer to the file that I downloaded. Samsung actually gave me an older file, and it was full of errors. I spoke with them in chat this morning. |
| 17:16.53 | grep0r | Okee, can you connect on http:localhost:631 ? |
| 17:17.02 | Okee | yes |
| 17:17.03 | iKb_ | i am going to create and admin a new vps, do you suggest apache or nginx? (ask if you need more info) |
| 17:17.19 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=631989a47738e898a503c4fcc9dc2ab2f7bf7aae |
| 17:17.19 | ompaul | Okee: what model printer? |
| 17:17.27 | nkuttler | Okee: um, have you tried splix yet? |
| 17:17.28 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | Any idea why audio is playing just out of the right ear? |
| 17:17.28 | Okee | ompaul> ML 2510 |
| 17:17.52 | ompaul | Okee: ok, so there are two things you need you have many choices to get them |
| 17:17.54 | Okee | I think the driver that I have will support splix. There are not a lot of options. |
| 17:17.57 | ompaul | one is a filter file |
| 17:17.59 | ompaul | one is a ppd |
| 17:18.07 | ompaul | both come on the disk |
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| 17:18.13 | nkuttler | Okee: it's packaged, no need to download from samsung |
| 17:18.14 | ompaul | both are available in the download |
| 17:18.27 | nkuttler | ,v printer-driver-splix |
| 17:18.29 | ompaul | nkuttler: not when wheezy first came out |
| 17:18.33 | judd | Package: printer-driver-splix on i386 -- jessie: 2.0.0+svn306-2; sid: 2.0.0+svn306-2; wheezy: 2.0.0+svn306-2 |
| 17:18.34 | Okee | ompaul> You mean with the apt-get command |
| 17:18.35 | Okee | ? |
| 17:18.39 | ompaul | Okee: no |
| 17:18.47 | Okee | I am running AMD 64. |
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| 17:19.24 | ompaul | Okee: the process is like this: Cups is the place / tool that configures All printers - it has hundred in it's default setup |
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| 17:19.48 | Okee | oompaul> Do I still need the PPD and filter file if I use CUPS? |
| 17:19.51 | ompaul | Okee: it can't cover all printers, usually this involves getting only one file a "ppd" file which is a good configuration file for the system |
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| 17:20.05 | Okee | where do I get the PPD? |
| 17:20.07 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 17:20.20 | ompaul | Okee: I'll explain your particular printer if you wait a moment so you understand what you are doing |
| 17:20.26 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | My headset only has sound on the right side. The sound is balanced fine and the headset plays properly elsewhere. Logs: www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=631989a47738e898a503c4fcc9dc2ab2f7bf7aae |
| 17:20.27 | Okee | ok |
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| 17:20.53 | ajdjawdoiawdioj | Anyway to tell if the onboard device is bad? |
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| 17:21.12 | ompaul | Okee: it can't cover all printers, usually this involves getting only one file a "ppd" file which is a good configuration file for the system for the printer |
| 17:21.15 | nkuttler | Okee: what's wrong with the packaged splix anyway that supports the ML-2510 |
| 17:21.21 | ompaul | Okee: your printer actually needs two parts |
| 17:21.23 | Agiofws | i am trying to mount a sony xperia with fuse but when i mount it and try to access a folder nautilus coughs up exactly the same window ... any help please ? |
| 17:21.31 | ompaul | Okee: a filter and a ppd |
| 17:21.49 | ompaul | nkuttler: I couldn't get that to work (if you want to believe anything ;-)) |
| 17:21.51 | nkuttler | Agiofws: can you cd into the directory? |
| 17:22.01 | nkuttler | ompaul: i see. i have a different model |
| 17:22.08 | jelly | nkuttler: also [16:04] <ChrisH> jelly: My experiences with splix and samsung unified printer driver was: samsung driver prints much better |
| 17:22.15 | Agiofws | nkuttler, i can ... but i can't see any files just folders ... |
| 17:22.24 | Okee | ompaul> so where do I get this filter and PPD? |
| 17:22.26 | nkuttler | Agiofws: maybe there are no files? |
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| 17:22.44 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:/media/Xperia/Internal Storage$ pwd |
| 17:22.49 | ompaul | Okee: so all they have in the file is within your download will you give me about five minutes to do the research and get you what goes where |
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| 17:23.01 | Agiofws | nkuttler, there are ... its my smart phone many files on there |
| 17:23.07 | Okee | ompaul> ok, I am going to do some reading as well. |
| 17:23.11 | Agiofws | mtpfs on /media/Xperia type fuse.mtpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1000,group_id=1000,allow_other) |
| 17:23.33 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:24.09 | nkuttler | Agiofws: yes. i see several files and directories |
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| 17:27.31 | killerbart10 | why do i get the error message: E: The package virtualbox-4.3 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 17:27.48 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.00 | killerbart10 | ? |
| 17:28.05 | nkuttler | ,v virtualbox-4.3 |
| 17:28.09 | judd | No package named 'virtualbox-4.3' was found in i386. |
| 17:28.18 | nkuttler | killerbart10: just a wild guess, it's not from Debian? |
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| 17:30.21 | killerbart10 | i was sent here |
| 17:30.51 | nkuttler | killerbart10: by whom? |
| 17:31.06 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:33.51 | killerbart10 | by ActionParsnip |
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| 17:34.21 | jelly | killerbart10: eh, from which channel? |
| 17:34.47 | killerbart10 | ubuntu |
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| 17:36.05 | ompaul | Okee: http://paste.debian.net/73845/ I can't see the filter file atm (as I recall it needed one) but that gets you up and running if you don't need one, I'll read a little more about it for a moment in case it needs a filter. |
| 17:36.14 | stew | killerbart10: so the error message you are gettihng is pretty self-explanitory, you have a package that needs to be reinstalled, this package didn't come from debian. you don't currently have any sources configured which provide this package, you need to add one |
| 17:36.20 | jelly | killerbart10: I suspect you downloaded and installed seomthing from the vendor, https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
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| 17:36.28 | stew | killerbart10: where did you install this virtualbox package from? |
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| 17:36.56 | jelly | some of the packages there are named "virtualbox-4.3" |
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| 17:37.13 | ompaul | Okee: also this is the free software ppd file http://www.openprinting.org/ppd-o-matic.php?driver=Postscript-Samsung&printer=Samsung-ML-2150&show=0 |
| 17:37.18 | killerbart10 | i used the repository but i dont remember what it was |
| 17:37.31 | lord_rob | killerbart10: deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian wheezy contrib |
| 17:37.36 | ompaul | seriously folks if you want good treatment by a printer I suggest you get one with a networking port |
| 17:37.42 | lord_rob | to your sources.list |
| 17:37.47 | ompaul | these usb things are a joke |
| 17:38.01 | stew | weren't we supposed to all have gone paperless by now? |
| 17:38.12 | ompaul | stew: ahh it was put back |
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| 17:38.18 | jelly | .pal all |
| 17:38.18 | Okee | ompaul. I did find the following two files in the repos: openprinting-ppds-postscript-samsung, and cdroot/Linux/x86_64/at_root/usr/lib64/cups/filter/rastertosamsungspl |
| 17:38.41 | ompaul | Okee: so I gave you instruction in the paste line |
| 17:38.49 | Okee | ok, let me try out some of the commands you posted. I appreciate your help. |
| 17:39.04 | ompaul | jelly: does that work here? |
| 17:39.10 | voxadam | What is the timeline for the init system decision? |
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| 17:39.24 | ompaul | voxadam: debian has one time line, when it is ready |
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| 17:40.20 | ompaul | yearns for the days when people said when would sarge be released and the answer was pigs would fly first |
| 17:40.32 | killerbart10 | ok |
| 17:40.34 | jelly | ompaul: can't be bothered to do the corrent !pal |
| 17:40.40 | ompaul | hehe |
| 17:40.51 | mad82 | Hallo, ist das ein reiner Englsich raum? Oder ist auch Deutsch erlaubt? |
| 17:40.58 | ompaul | !de |
| 17:40.58 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 17:41.08 | ompaul | mad82: this is an english speakinc channel |
| 17:41.20 | mad82 | ok thx |
| 17:41.21 | ompaul | some of the time we even are speaking english |
| 17:41.24 | jelly | voxadam: "hopefully before the jessie freeze" |
| 17:42.10 | voxadam | ompaul: So there's no vote scheduled |
| 17:42.32 | ompaul | voxadam: there are conversations that is all, nothing else |
| 17:43.07 | killerbart10 | i have 3 broken packages |
| 17:43.14 | voxadam | :/ |
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| 17:43.28 | ompaul | voxadam: become a DD get a vote show people you care |
| 17:43.32 | Okee | ompaul> From your paste, I got as far as chown -R username:username cdroot/ and then received an error message, indicating that chown can not acces cdroot/, no such file or directory. What am I doing wrong? |
| 17:43.50 | Okee | http://paste.debian.net/73845/ |
| 17:43.59 | Okee | ompaul> http://paste.debian.net/73845/ |
| 17:44.28 | ompaul | Okee: read line 3 again slowly that is my user name |
| 17:44.29 | killerbart10 | help |
| 17:44.43 | ompaul | !bat |
| 17:44.44 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:44.46 | Okee | ompaul> I know, I changed it to my user name. |
| 17:44.56 | Okee | On my computer it is asd |
| 17:45.27 | ompaul | Okee: are you not ircing from that computer? |
| 17:45.43 | voxadam | ompaul: I may become a DD but I doubt it'll happen before the init decision is made. |
| 17:45.44 | killerbart10 | how do i find broken packages |
| 17:45.46 | Okee | ompaul> Yes, I am ircing from that computer |
| 17:46.07 | jhutchins | killerbart10: Usually aptitude -f install |
| 17:46.12 | ompaul | killerbart10: read that bat factoid from dpkg and let us know the paste thing |
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| 17:46.30 | killerbart10 | !help |
| 17:46.58 | ompaul | killerbart10: please read about 5 lines previous what dpkg said in reply to me saying !bat |
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| 17:47.30 | ompaul | Okee: you should be able to copy the contents of the terminal you are running that command in and paste it here or into paste.debian.net |
| 17:47.49 | angelsl | why doesn't make-jpkg make packages that provide default-jre |
| 17:47.50 | angelsl | :l |
| 17:48.07 | hatake | hy |
| 17:48.22 | Okee | ompaul> Ok, I am now being prompted to enter a user name and password, on the cups website. |
| 17:48.37 | killerbart10 | !bat |
| 17:48.37 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:48.40 | ompaul | Okee: so that says there root and your password |
| 17:48.47 | ompaul | raises an eyebrow |
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| 17:49.22 | Okee | ompaul> Do I just make one uP? Or does this need to be the root and password I normally use on my computer? |
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| 17:49.47 | ompaul | Okee: the one for your computer (why don't you try things and see how they go?) |
| 17:49.54 | mtn | raises both eyebrows |
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| 17:50.16 | ompaul | mtn: welcome back from that commercial break :) |
| 17:50.25 | mtn | ompaul: :) |
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| 17:50.59 | jelly | Okee: root and root's password |
| 17:51.20 | Okee | jelly> You mean sudo? |
| 17:51.27 | jelly | Okee: no, I mean root's password |
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| 17:51.42 | ompaul | Okee: did you set this computer up with sudo? |
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| 17:51.52 | ompaul | Okee: did you remove roots password? |
| 17:51.55 | Okee | ompaul> Yes, I set the computer up with sudo. |
| 17:51.58 | jelly | Okee: if you do not know what it is, use "sudo passwd root" to set it anew |
| 17:52.03 | Okee | ompaul> No I did not remove root's password. |
| 17:52.19 | Okee | ompaul> I know what it is. |
| 17:52.27 | ompaul | and you have typed it in now? |
| 17:53.22 | ompaul | Okee: it is only a computer it won't bite you take control and when it asks what printer (after you select the usb thing) then tell it you have the driver the one I pointed at |
| 17:53.41 | Okee | I am going to have to close the browser because CUPS won't allow another username and password after the rejection notice. I will save your paste and other url information in a textfile. |
| 17:53.58 | ompaul | Okee: just bookmark the link |
| 17:54.10 | ompaul | Okee: and cups is a tab it should be ok to use |
| 17:54.30 | ompaul | if you get it wrong you can reset the top of the tab again |
| 17:54.32 | jhutchins | I'm not sure how ubuntu handles this these days. Cups was broken on there for a while because they botched the admin user thingy. |
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| 17:54.52 | ompaul | well if it is ubuntu he's outa luck |
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| 17:57.09 | ompaul | goes for dinner om nom nom - Okee it should be self evident to you what the activities are and if they are not you should be able to click on something with zero problems |
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| 17:57.21 | killerbart10 | what is dmsetup used for on the eeepc |
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| 17:57.45 | Okee | ompaul> I am still getting the Forbiddne message, when trying to add the printer. |
| 17:57.53 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.05 | Okee | I clicked find printer, and it says no printers found. I selected administrator, and it says Forbidden after entering sudo and my password. I also tried this with the username set up for the computer as well as the password. |
| 18:00.07 | Okee | ompaul> So I select addding printers and classes, under the CUPS for Administration? |
| 18:01.29 | Okee | I am following the instructions here, under "where do I begin", but it isn't working: http://localhost:631/help/overview.html |
| 18:01.35 | Arrowmaster | jhutchins: it wasnt just ubuntu, i think it was gnome, i tried to setup my printer in debian under gnome and it wouldnt work unless i ran the app as root instead of letting it prompt me for root password |
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| 18:03.27 | Okee | This is really strange. I am looking at the path in the command line, and it appears to be the same as the username in cups, but it don't work: /home/username# |
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| 18:03.48 | linuxthefish | hi, can anyone say why dotdeb is bad? |
| 18:03.54 | Okee | I am goign to try another browser. |
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| 18:04.21 | killerbart10 | how do i remove a broken package from synaptic linux |
| 18:04.54 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.16 | Okee | I am stumped. Not sure what to do. I tried logging in with another browser and I still get a Forbidden error message. I need to mail something at the post office, and will return in an hour. |
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| 18:05.52 | EmleyMoor | linuxthefish: dotdeb is an unofficial repository and packages in it have proven problematic |
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| 18:06.35 | EmleyMoor | linuxthefish: /msg dpkg dotdeb (and also dotdeb alternatives) to see more about it... |
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| 18:07.02 | EmleyMoor | killerbart10: Can't you right-click and choose to remove? |
| 18:07.20 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.29 | EmleyMoor | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.35 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... |
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| 18:08.34 | killerbart10 | is says To Be Removed: dmsetup, util-linux |
| 18:08.49 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.50 | EmleyMoor | killerbart10: ...? |
| 18:09.00 | EmleyMoor | Please explain the problem... |
| 18:09.08 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:10.34 | killerbart10 | i right click virtualbox 4.3 (the broken package) and click mark for removal and says to be removed: dmsetup and util-linux |
| 18:10.54 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.04 | EmleyMoor | killerbart10: Right - that usually means it needs to remove those too... so follow through... |
| 18:11.08 | killerbart10 | ? |
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| 18:11.39 | killerbart10 | what is dmsetup and util-linux |
| 18:11.46 | stew | killerbart10: util-linux is marked essential, it must not be removed |
| 18:11.57 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.15 | stew | its stuff like "fsck" http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/util-linux/filelist |
| 18:12.29 | killerbart10 | then why does it say it needs to be removed |
| 18:12.44 | stew | what is "it" |
| 18:12.46 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:13.28 | killerbart10 | why does the computer say util-linux needs to be removed |
| 18:13.30 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.34 | EmleyMoor | killerbart10: If you don't want to lose them, go and specifically mark them for installation |
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| 18:13.45 | stew | killerbart10: what program is trying to remove them? |
| 18:13.52 | EmleyMoor | stew: synaptic |
| 18:13.59 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.10 | stew | is it just me or is killerbart10 sending tons of empty lines? |
| 18:14.23 | EmleyMoor | He is sending tons of empty lines |
| 18:14.25 | mtn | killerbart10: please paste your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link |
| 18:15.28 | killerbart10 | i need to remove virtualbox 4.3 because it is a broken package but it says dmsetup and util-linux need to be removed |
| 18:15.50 | killerbart10 | ? |
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| 18:16.00 | stew | killerbart10: have you reinstalled virtualbox-4.3 yet? |
| 18:16.02 | mtn | in case you guys missed it ,he started on the ubuntu channel |
| 18:16.11 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:16.22 | stew | killerbart10: can you please stop sending blank lines? |
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| 18:16.46 | killerbart10 | no |
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| 18:16.58 | EmleyMoor | killerbart10: Why "no"? |
| 18:16.59 | stew | why not? are you having trouble with your irc client? |
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| 18:17.15 | killerbart10 | i cant recieve messages unless i send a message |
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| 18:17.26 | EmleyMoor | Are you sure about that? |
| 18:17.34 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.49 | EmleyMoor | That does sound like client trouble if so. |
| 18:17.51 | killerbart10 | i think so |
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| 18:18.05 | stew | you are usiung what? pidgin? |
| 18:18.13 | killerbart10 | yes |
| 18:18.28 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.31 | stew | what does "apt-cache policy pidgin" say for installed? |
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| 18:19.23 | killerbart10 | Installed: 1:2.3.1-2asus10 |
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| 18:19.37 | stew | xandros... |
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| 18:20.09 | mtn | heh |
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| 18:21.04 | stew | killerbart10: you aren't running debian |
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| 18:24.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell killerbart10 -about xandros |
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| 18:25.34 | babilen | killerbart10: As you are not running Debian it would be appreciated if you could seek support in the appropriate channel(s) for your distribution (i.e. #eeepc) - It would furthermore be great if you could stop sending empty lines. Thank you for your understanding and may you have a good day. |
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| 18:26.45 | killerbart10 | i cant recieve messages unless i send a message |
| 18:26.49 | killerbart10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.04 | mtn | thinks it was very nice for the ubuntu guys to send him to this channel |
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| 18:27.55 | EmleyMoor | You have no need to send or receive messages here, if you follow the advice you've been given. I'd suggest #eeepc is the right channel to get your pidgin fixed too. |
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| 18:33.25 | LordDeath | isn't xandros a dead distro? |
| 18:33.40 | zinx | how should we know? this is #debian |
| 18:33.47 | EmleyMoor | Dead or alive, it's not wanted here |
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| 18:35.27 | LordDeath | well, if it's dead he should stay here and read this ;) http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/ |
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| 18:37.33 | ctmjr | thinks he needs a fix your client kick |
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| 18:37.45 | babilen | killerbart10: In case you are considering running Debian on your eeepc read this: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC -- also stop sending empty messages. Use another client if yours is broken, but please heed the advice given so far. |
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| 18:39.43 | killerbart10 | i already am running debian |
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| 18:41.04 | EmleyMoor | killerbart10: You're not, though.... you've got clear and obvious Xandros there |
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| 18:41.23 | shman | im so f frustraded... months of configurating and machine is compromised.. -.- is there a tool or sth to use to save all conf and rc files to import it on the new system again? |
| 18:41.31 | babilen | killerbart10: You are not running Debian but Xandros which is not supported here and your inability to find an IRC client that doesn't require you to send empty lines is unacceptable. All the best. |
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| 18:42.41 | Kuba | shman: if it's compromised it would be a stupid idea... |
| 18:43.01 | Kuba | shman: why don't you use ansible/puppet/chef for config management? |
| 18:43.04 | jhutchins | shman: That does not work well. |
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| 18:43.49 | nkuttler | shman: you should have used a backup tool |
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| 18:44.06 | jhutchins | For that matter, just log all your configuration changes - on paper if necessary. |
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| 18:45.55 | boblee | anyone know why in /etc/mime.type i have 'text/css css' yet using the command 'file -i file.css' shows text/x-c; charset=us-ascii |
| 18:46.06 | babilen | shman: I would definitely add salt (as in: http://www.saltstack.com/community/ ) to Kuba's list |
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| 18:46.07 | jhutchins | shman: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Security-HOWTO/after-breakin.html |
| 18:49.31 | oskie | how can Debian say that a package with version 1:2012.1.15AR.5-3 needs to be UPGRADED to 1:2012.1.15AR.5-2.1 ?! |
| 18:50.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell oskie -about bat |
| 18:50.04 | jhutchins | oskie: Which package? That doesn't look like Debian versioning? |
| 18:50.38 | Kuba | dpkg: tell me about bat |
| 18:50.42 | nkuttler | ,v ntfs-3g |
| 18:50.43 | judd | Package: ntfs-3g on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2010.3.6-1; wheezy: 1:2012.1.15AR.5-2.1; jessie: 1:2013.1.13AR.1-2; sid: 1:2013.1.13AR.1-2; experimental: 1:2013.1.13AR.3-4 |
| 18:51.11 | ankov | otherwise we're overusing "reference" |
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| 18:53.49 | jhutchins | nkuttler: Good spotting! |
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| 18:54.50 | nkuttler | i also just realized that my desktop has a random non-stable version installed.. wtf |
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| 18:55.31 | oskie | babilen, jhutchins: apparently it wanted to install a newer version from jessie for some reason. it was ntfs-3g. |
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| 18:59.09 | johnfg_ | For my laptop I'd like to get my scroll wheel working.. In order to do that, I'm gonna have to have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
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| 18:59.38 | well_laid_lawn | no, not really johnfg_ |
| 18:59.47 | well_laid_lawn | there's xorg.conf.d |
| 18:59.54 | well_laid_lawn | make a file in there |
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| 19:00.08 | johnfg_ | But when I run from /etc/X11: Xorg -configure, I get the error: message, 'Number of created screens does not match the number of detected devices'? |
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| 19:04.46 | johnfg_ | Our debian wiki page for xorg isn't real helpful concerning that error message. |
| 19:04.56 | Kuba | I'm looking for EmmanuelCharpentier |
| 19:05.00 | Kuba | anyone knows him? |
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| 19:06.08 | johnfg_ | well_laid_lawn: After creating xorg.conf.d, make a xorg.conf there? |
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| 19:07.01 | jhutchins | Kuba: That's not really what IRC is for. |
| 19:07.09 | dizzylizzy | I'm trying to diagnose a problem I've been having a boot with a lengthy hang. Originally I'd see a message complaining of missing microcode while it hung, then continued to boot after about 30 seconds. I installed the microcode, but it still hangs for about 30 seconds just now with a blank screen, then suddenly continues. I'm not sure where to start. |
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| 19:09.12 | heinzes | how do I find which package contains the debug symbols for git and git-svn? |
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| 19:10.00 | Bsims | heinzes: I would assume git-devel |
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| 19:14.34 | heinzes | I don't see a package git-devel. |
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| 19:15.53 | johnfg | Ok, 1Ok1 |
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| 19:16.57 | rubidious | Hi. I just formatted a newly bought external drive and I'm wondering if I went about it correctly. |
| 19:17.06 | rubidious | I first dd'd it out (/dev/zero) |
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| 19:17.38 | rubidious | then I fdisk'd it, creating a new primary partition with all the defaults (there didn't seem to be an option to choose 'whole drive' or last sector) |
| 19:17.49 | rubidious | finally I did mkfs.ext2 on it |
| 19:17.57 | rubidious | it mounts correctly afaik |
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| 19:18.47 | nkuttler | rubidious: sounds fine |
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| 19:18.59 | nkuttler | i wouldn't have zero'd it though |
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| 19:19.15 | rubidious | well I don't really understand what df is telling me now |
| 19:19.34 | rubidious | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.49 | rubidious | the drive is 1TB, so I sort of understand where the 917 comes from |
| 19:19.58 | rubidious | but where are the other ~50Gb? |
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| 19:20.15 | stew | rubidious: reserved for root |
| 19:20.16 | rubidious | is it all fs overhad? |
| 19:20.17 | rubidious | overhead* |
| 19:20.26 | Kuba | rubidious: yep |
| 19:20.32 | rubidious | stew: ? |
| 19:20.47 | Sh1G3rU | sold as base10 , calculated as base2 |
| 19:20.58 | rubidious | Sh1G3rU: yeah I get that |
| 19:21.09 | Kuba | ext "eats" a lot |
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| 19:21.22 | rubidious | but I thought base2 is like 931 or something |
| 19:21.33 | Sh1G3rU | fs reserves alot for itself + partitioning |
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| 19:21.40 | Sh1G3rU | its exactly |
| 19:21.52 | nkuttler | rubidious: you can tune the reserved space when you mkfs |
| 19:22.13 | nkuttler | by default it's 5% iirc, which is kinda insane for the intended purpose on modern drives |
| 19:22.28 | rubidious | nkuttler: do you have any recommended reading on this? |
| 19:22.36 | rubidious | recommended practices etc? |
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| 19:22.42 | rubidious | it's just an external usb backup drive |
| 19:22.42 | nkuttler | rubidious: man mkfs.ext2, though you should use ext3 |
| 19:22.53 | rubidious | I can't use ext3 for compatibility reasons |
| 19:23.00 | rubidious | portability* |
| 19:23.04 | nkuttler | ah |
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| 19:23.27 | nkuttler | rubidious: well, start by reading the man page, no idea about more in-depth docs tbh |
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| 19:24.08 | rubidious | yeah I had a glance at it before I started, but a deeper read never hurts heh |
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| 19:24.32 | nkuttler | rubidious: oh, you can actually use tune2fs to change it |
| 19:27.09 | rubidious | what I want to know is if this is at all safe |
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| 19:30.13 | rubidious | here is some interesting info: |
| 19:30.19 | rubidious | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/7950/reserved-space-for-root-on-a-filesystem-why |
| 19:30.41 | rubidious | apparently performance takes a large hit after 95% full |
| 19:30.44 | rubidious | in ext3 |
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| 19:33.28 | johnfg | s/to/do/ |
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| 19:37.56 | rubidious | ok so if 931 is the base2, the missing 16 gigs are fs overhead? I can live with that |
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| 19:45.41 | heinzes | how do I find the dbg package to a given debian package? (given it's not as easy as package-dbg, git-svn is my case) |
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| 19:47.58 | bullgard4 | heinzes: There is no general solution to your problem. - You can use Synaptic to help you finding the wanted associated deb package nearby in the Synaptic package list. |
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| 19:49.18 | heinzes | bullgard4: didn't know synaptic could do that (I don't have it installed). |
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| 19:49.44 | bullgard4 | Synaptic can only assist you in finding. |
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| 19:51.09 | heinzes | bullgard4: ah, ok. |
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| 20:07.23 | jelly-home | heinzes: git-svn seems to be written in Perl, what kind of debug are you looking for? |
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| 20:08.07 | jelly-home | heinzes: otherwise, "apt-cache search something dbg" would be a starting point |
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| 20:11.26 | heinzes | jelly-home: thanks so much! I should have looked at the git-svn executable and realized it's a perl script. that explains that there's not -dbg package! |
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| 20:15.50 | johnfg_ | Is the driver for a touchpad also mouse? |
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| 20:16.58 | hassen | what is 'X' in linux?I often see it in articles like X selections,X application,X11 implementation,etc |
| 20:17.09 | johnfg_ | As for a PS/2 mouse: Driver "mouse" in xorg.conf? |
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| 20:17.22 | stew | ! x window system |
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| 20:18.21 | wols_ | johnfg_: normally, your touchpad should "just work". maybe not 100%, but work it should |
| 20:18.29 | stew | hassen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_window_system |
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| 20:18.41 | hassen | stew: duh... |
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| 20:18.44 | hassen | stew: thanks anyway |
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| 20:18.59 | stew | hassen: does that not answer your question? |
| 20:19.40 | hassen | stew It does,but was laughing on myself |
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| 20:33.16 | johnfg | wols_: It does partially work; just not the scroll wheel. |
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| 20:49.12 | idueppe | hi, i'm new to debian and trying to build a script to debootstrap wheezy on my root server. I like to have an raid1 > lvm > luks configuration for root and swap partitions. Since I'm a little bit lost in all the stuff out there, can anybody give me a good doc / description how to realize this? |
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| 20:51.53 | jhutchins | idueppe: If you're new to Debian, what systems are you familiar with? |
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| 20:56.55 | idueppe | jhutchins: I'm using OS X Mavericks and as a java enterprise developer I have to install and configure java server on linux. But I never needed to install one by my self. To be honest I'm trying since 10 days to debootstrap ubuntu 12.04 lts but I always get stucked as soon I setup luks and then tried to install grub2. So after these frustating days I started today to use debian |
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| 21:04.03 | ChibaPet | idueppe: FWIW, you really don't want what you described. What you really want is raid → luks → lvm |
| 21:04.44 | ChibaPet | idueppe: You'll have one unlock at the beginning and can forget that encryption exists otherwise. |
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| 21:05.43 | ChibaPet | idueppe: Also note that you'll still need /boot on straight raid → lvm as boot-to-LUKS is bleeding-edge on GRUB and not supported (as far as I know) in what Wheezy ships. |
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| 21:07.49 | ChibaPet | idueppe: Heading off, but I'm sure folks will be happy to assist you with details if they're needed. |
| 21:08.32 | idueppe | ChibaPet: raid -> luks -> lvm was one of my first tries. Since it didn't succeed on ubuntu I switched it. But fine I will try it. I planed to use a separated boot partition just as raid1 > ext3 |
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| 21:09.16 | ChibaPet | idueppe: I promise that it works well. I use it everywhere. Also, FWIW, I still use LVM for /boot so I can do snapshot-based back-ups. Purely optional. |
| 21:09.52 | ChibaPet | But, really going now, was just following up on a work thing. Good luck and have fun. |
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| 21:11.04 | idueppe | thanks a lot for u comment |
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| 21:12.52 | debuu | whats the reason my usb modem isnt detected with debian with xfce but is with the default wm gnome? |
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| 21:15.15 | debuu | i mean the official debian-xfce discs versus the normal disc |
| 21:15.17 | debuu | install |
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| 21:18.02 | idueppe | While debootstraping, can I directly push my nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf or will this file be overwriten during booting like in ubuntu? |
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| 21:19.33 | jordanm | idueppe: if you are using dhcp, dhcp will overwrite it by default |
| 21:19.51 | idueppe | jordanm, no I will use static ip |
| 21:20.40 | jordanm | then it shouldn't unless you use network-manager to configure the static IP |
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| 21:21.29 | idueppe | fine, should I use network-manager on a remote server? |
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| 21:24.22 | dondelelcaro | idueppe: no, generally you shouldn't. |
| 21:24.42 | Guest79461 | is it me or is the internet a bit slow tonight? |
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| 21:26.31 | idueppe | I get the following error " Volume group "vg_encrypted" successfully created /dev/vg_encrypted/decrypt_swap: not found: device not cleared" while trying "lvcreate -L 2G -n decrypt_swap vg_encrypted" |
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| 21:28.38 | lunastyx1 | hello |
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| 21:29.15 | lunastyx1 | I don't really know where to ask. I am using ent to test my random number generator |
| 21:29.25 | lunastyx1 | And i get different result if I use the -b option or not |
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| 21:34.41 | gregc2_ | Has anyone played with wy60 ncurses in squeeze? For some reason my delete mapping isnt right. Would like to know what it should be.... |
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| 21:39.41 | str3 | whats a non-shit terminal that plays well with xfce apart from xterm? |
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| 21:41.08 | dondelelcaro | str3: rxvt? |
| 21:41.22 | dondelelcaro | str3: is there some reason why uxterm isn't good enough? |
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| 21:41.38 | str3 | some problems with copy/paste buffers that i cba to fix |
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| 21:41.56 | dondelelcaro | str3: what in particular? |
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| 21:42.28 | str3 | copying in iceweasel doesnt seem to copy to the buffer that xterm uses for paste, *sometimes* |
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| 21:44.41 | dondelelcaro | str3: yeah, this is because firefox is using CLIPBOARD, and middle mouse button pastes PRIMARY. |
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| 21:44.58 | str3 | yea, i dont even have middle mouse button on this box, its a thinkpad |
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| 21:45.17 | str3 | so i use shift ins |
| 21:45.20 | str3 | which works sometimes... |
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| 21:45.56 | ectospasm | getting copypasta working in X is always a chore |
| 21:46.04 | str3 | yu[ |
| 21:46.05 | str3 | yup |
| 21:46.14 | str3 | suggestions? |
| 21:46.31 | ectospasm | ...I've managed to wrangle rxvt-unicode, chromium, and XMonad to play nice for me |
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| 21:47.03 | dondelelcaro | str3: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xterm#PRIMARY_or_CLIPBOARD |
| 21:47.11 | str3 | thanks |
| 21:47.15 | ectospasm | I've given up getting the same keyboard shortcuts to work across all applications, though. |
| 21:47.39 | Guest79461 | Hi is there another ubuntu chat room other than the main one? |
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| 21:48.05 | Kuba | Guest79461: #debian is not ubuntu chat room |
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| 21:48.12 | dondelelcaro | Guest79461: there are other subsidiary ones, but you should ask in #ubuntu |
| 21:48.28 | Guest79461 | Yes I know was wondering if anyone here knew of them |
| 21:48.34 | Guest79461 | cant seem to get into the room |
| 21:48.42 | Guest79461 | so wondered if it was shut or something |
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| 21:49.31 | idueppe | I'm in the busy box now, made luksOpen and vgchange on my lvm group - how to can I proceed booting now? |
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| 21:50.37 | hashberry | hi can anyone here help me with a ethernet driver issue ? |
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| 21:52.11 | Kuba | Guest79461: maybe try registering / authenticating to NickServ |
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| 21:52.20 | Kuba | Guest79461: before entering the room |
| 21:52.37 | Guest79461 | So u cant help with directing me to another room? |
| 21:52.50 | Kuba | Guest79461: go to #ubuntu |
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| 21:52.57 | Guest79461 | Like I said I cant |
| 21:53.14 | Kuba | Guest79461: define "I cant" |
| 21:53.14 | Guest79461 | would like to go to another Ubuntu room and would like the rooms name so I can type it in |
| 21:53.18 | hashberry | anyone noww how to fix an ethernet driver issue for an intel I217-V chip ? Do i have to install an earlier version ? |
| 21:53.45 | foxx | hello. whenever i use "fakechroot fakeroot" with deboostrap, the second stage always seems to apply the wrong prefix to symlinks.. i.e. ls -lah home/foxx/wtf/etc/nologin shows "wtf/etc/nologin -> /home/foxx/wtf/var/lib/initscripts/nologin", so its applying full absolute path to symlinks in second stage rather than "/". any ideas how to stop this behavior from happening? |
| 21:53.57 | jhutchins | Guest79461: This is Debian support. I believe there is a #freenode channel where you can get help. |
| 21:54.23 | Guest79461 | Debian Room Moderator, I would like if you could provide me with some Ubuntu Room names that I can go join. Are you able to help me? |
| 21:54.29 | Kuba | ... |
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| 21:54.41 | Kuba | Guest79461: read what jhutchins said |
| 21:54.52 | phix | Guest79461: You need English first |
| 21:54.52 | Guest79461 | I take that as a no correct? |
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| 21:55.10 | Kuba | Guest79461: type in /join #freenode |
| 21:55.21 | hashberry | check the freenode directory |
| 21:55.34 | Guest79461 | How do I check the Freenode Directory? |
| 21:55.50 | ompaul | ? |
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| 21:55.57 | sideup66 | hello room |
| 21:56.33 | sideup66 | I am here to ask for some quick help regarding debian 7.0, Im trying to install malwarebytes antimalware under wine, it seems that version 1.7 will run malwarebytes no problem |
| 21:56.36 | Kuba | Guest79461: Why do you ignore all the solutions we give you? |
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| 21:56.54 | ompaul | cos trolling is more fun |
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| 21:56.58 | hashberry | anyone know how to fix an ethernet port issue debian does not recognize my onboard ethernet |
| 21:57.20 | sideup66 | reason for this is to scan and clean up some windows files from a machine im migrating for someone, I can get malwarebytes to install in its current state however, it will not run when executed |
| 21:57.24 | ompaul | hashberry: start by installing over usb "firmware-linux-nonfree" |
| 21:57.31 | sideup66 | im running on wine 1.4.1, according to the about tab in my wine installation |
| 21:57.34 | ompaul | hashberry: that and a restart might help you |
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| 21:57.54 | ompaul | hashberry: one assumes you have tried things like dhclient |
| 21:57.57 | Guest79461 | I'm not ignoring i'm asking how to do it? |
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| 21:58.00 | sideup66 | what can I do to either get the newer wine edition (so long as debian doesnt puke in my face) or get this thing working |
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| 21:58.25 | Kuba | Guest79461: go to channel #freenode and ask for help |
| 21:58.26 | ompaul | Guest79461: type >>>>> /join #freenode <<<< with no spaces in front of it in your client |
| 21:58.40 | sideup66 | also my system is fully up to date to note |
| 21:58.40 | Kuba | ompaul: ;) |
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| 21:59.19 | FancyBird | Hey. When I ran apt-get dist-upgrade upstart was installed and replaced the normal starting-thing, but upstart never installed correctly. What do I do now? |
| 21:59.40 | ompaul | FancyBird: what are you running? |
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| 22:00.27 | ompaul | redhat eh? |
| 22:00.50 | hashberry | ompaul for the dhclient method of finding the ethernet port what excatly do i need to do ? Just run that command |
| 22:00.59 | FancyBird | ompaul: debian 7.2 wheezy |
| 22:01.07 | ompaul | hashberry: as root |
| 22:01.25 | ompaul | ,v upstart |
| 22:01.26 | judd | Package: upstart on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.6-1; wheezy: 1.6.1-1; jessie: 1.10-2; sid: 1.11-1 |
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| 22:02.02 | ompaul | FancyBird: and your dist-upgrade was from squeeze? |
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| 22:02.50 | ompaul | ah there was none |
| 22:02.51 | ompaul | oh |
| 22:02.52 | FancyBird | ompaul: I don't remember, but dist-upgrade only needed to remove the old start-thing and install upstart |
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| 22:03.35 | hashberry | ompaul: I got no output with the dhclient command. Are those non-free firmware drivers on the debian site ? I presume that they are ? Should that be my next course of action |
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| 22:03.54 | ompaul | FancyBird: ENOPARSE - first you need to be on 7.3 - so you may be on that now, and then if that is the case you can upstart a go follow the online docs |
| 22:04.13 | ompaul | hashberry: it would be mine, what version of debian did you install? |
| 22:04.26 | ompaul | (please don't say testing) |
| 22:04.40 | ompaul | oh did I say that out loud |
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| 22:05.06 | hashberry | 3.2.0 i think |
| 22:05.41 | ompaul | hashberry: I meant, 7.3 or some such, ok that is what you did |
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| 22:06.21 | jhutchins | hashberry: cat /etc/debian_version or lsb_release -a |
| 22:06.27 | ompaul | hashberry: I'm surprised it isn't working does it appear in ifconfig -a |
| 22:06.39 | FancyBird | ompaul: I might have read the wrong number, I am on 7.3 |
| 22:06.40 | hashberry | ompaul: i am not sure umm Debian 4.6.3-14 ? |
| 22:06.53 | idueppe | ls the keyboard layout setting inportant for an remote server in some way? |
| 22:07.00 | ompaul | hashberry: please do what jhutchins said |
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| 22:07.21 | hashberry | ok |
| 22:07.27 | ompaul | idueppe: both locales should be the same |
| 22:07.34 | ompaul | idueppe: or you need to think |
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| 22:07.55 | jhutchins | hashberry: If you want to check your kernel version it's uname -r |
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| 22:08.21 | phix | so, what's new with Debian these days? |
| 22:08.36 | ompaul | !TIAS |
| 22:08.36 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 22:08.39 | hashberry | jutchins: ok it is 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 22:09.06 | hashberry | And the ifconfig command out: broadcast multicast mtu |
| 22:09.07 | phix | ompaul: I see |
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| 22:09.22 | ompaul | phix: its great you just need to install it |
| 22:09.28 | phix | ompaul: I have it installed |
| 22:09.35 | ompaul | hashberry: ifconfig | grep eth |
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| 22:09.46 | ompaul | hashberry: any lines show up after that? |
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| 22:09.49 | FancyBird | Okay, I might be mixing things up here. |
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| 22:10.02 | hashberry | ompaul: no lines nothing |
| 22:10.02 | phix | ompaul: thnx for your response but not exactly what I was looking for, I was attempting to start a discussion |
| 22:10.04 | FancyBird | What is the executable for upstart, in ubuntu it is "service". |
| 22:10.16 | hashberry | as root |
| 22:10.16 | ompaul | phix: if you join #debian-offtopic you can have one of those |
| 22:10.33 | ompaul | FancyBird: service here also |
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| 22:10.48 | FancyBird | ompaul: yeah, noticed that now, just forgot I was not root |
| 22:10.53 | ompaul | hashberry: ok you are missing firmware for your ethernet |
| 22:10.56 | FancyBird | ompaul: thanks anyway |
| 22:10.58 | hashberry | ok |
| 22:11.11 | ompaul | hashberry: the other thing to check is your bios in case it is turned off for some reason |
| 22:11.16 | phix | ompaul: woooo! ok |
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| 22:11.20 | hashberry | ok |
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| 22:12.33 | hashberry | I assume i should check my bios before trying to instal the firmware ? Is there a specific section in the bios to look ? The onboard pherperials perhaps ? |
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| 22:12.55 | ompaul | hashberry: generally yea |
| 22:12.59 | buckfast | Can I get hpfall (hp hdd shock protection) for debian stable? It's not in the debian repos |
| 22:13.03 | hashberry | ok |
| 22:13.15 | ompaul | hashberry: it's just very unusual for anything like that to be the case these days that you can't get to your network card |
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| 22:13.46 | Kuba | does debian live iso support EFI? |
| 22:13.55 | hashberry | ya it is quite annoying |
| 22:14.10 | ompaul | Kuba: as in on apple, yes |
| 22:14.10 | hashberry | its a new build, a custom build |
| 22:14.17 | FancyBird | Ok, so it turns out that sysvinit is semi-removed and upstart is semi-installed. apt-get says upstart is not installed, but it kinda is. |
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| 22:14.37 | Kuba | ompaul: well, I'm having problems booting it on the UEFI laptop |
| 22:14.40 | ompaul | hashberry: just use minimal debian and build on that, the other path leads to the crazy |
| 22:14.41 | FancyBird | and when running sudo apt-get install upstart, it asks me "bro, are you really sure you want to do this?!?" |
| 22:14.45 | ompaul | Kuba: that's different not apple |
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| 22:14.56 | ompaul | FancyBird: I wouldn't say yes |
| 22:14.59 | hashberry | ompaul: ok so intel lan controller is enabled but intel pxe oprom is disabled |
| 22:15.01 | Kuba | ompaul: yeah, so I meant EFI 2.0 |
| 22:15.06 | ompaul | FancyBird: it's not mature :) |
| 22:15.23 | FancyBird | then why did dist-upgrade half-install it in the first place? |
| 22:15.28 | ompaul | hashberry: stick all of them on you can turn off stuff later |
| 22:15.41 | hashberry | ok |
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| 22:15.47 | FancyBird | and how can I get back to using sysvinit when apt-get says it is installed but many files for it are removed? |
| 22:15.48 | ompaul | FancyBird: it didn't - or shouldn't |
| 22:16.14 | ompaul | FancyBird: seriously, dist-upgrade from what to what is essential info for what you are talking about |
| 22:16.25 | ompaul | FancyBird: upstart is not default on debian |
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| 22:16.45 | ompaul | FancyBird: so it doesn't just go trying to push that stuff in without some user cooperation |
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| 22:17.46 | ompaul | FancyBird: unless your personal machine suddenly became sentient |
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| 22:17.54 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 22:17.54 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 22:18.07 | FancyBird | I'll just reinstall it, see if that fixes it. |
| 22:18.14 | FancyBird | *the whole server |
| 22:18.22 | ompaul | FancyBird: is this a vps? |
| 22:18.27 | FancyBird | yes |
| 22:18.39 | ompaul | don't try upgrading without talking to the people who sold it |
| 22:18.46 | ompaul | upgrades may just die badly |
| 22:18.46 | hashberry | ompaul: ok so i enabled eveything. Ran ifconfig again as got > arrow with no text |
| 22:18.57 | hashberry | Is the firmware i need on the dian.org site |
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| 22:19.15 | ompaul | hashberry: strange and yes it is, but go to a mirror into pool and pick the one for you |
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| 22:19.24 | ompaul | ,v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 22:19.25 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.40~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.40; sid/non-free: 0.40 |
| 22:19.28 | ompaul | ,v firmware-linux |
| 22:19.29 | judd | Package: firmware-linux on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.40~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.40; sid/non-free: 0.40 |
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| 22:19.53 | FancyBird | ompaul: oh. I had no idea, been reading a great deal of "install guides for vps" and they all tell me to run dist-upgrade. |
| 22:19.53 | ompaul | hashberry: get both of them, install copy them somewhere dpkg -i packagename |
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| 22:20.14 | ompaul | FancyBird: most times your supplier stops you from doing things |
| 22:20.37 | ompaul | FancyBird: unless they say otherwise always assume you stick with their repos |
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| 22:21.13 | hashberry | Ompaul: ok can i find these firmware dirvers in the package support section of debian ? Srry you have to explain everything : ( Last time I installed debian I did not have this issue at all. |
| 22:21.14 | ompaul | dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 22:21.15 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <squeeze release notes>. |
| 22:21.53 | ompaul | it needs to say, Please note that with a VPS you may find that you can't upgrade without talking to the provider. |
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| 22:22.20 | ompaul | hashberry: you should have found them by now |
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| 22:22.50 | ompaul | hashberry: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/ |
| 22:23.20 | ompaul | hashberry: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/ |
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| 22:23.31 | ompaul | for the firmware and nonfree firmware |
| 22:23.37 | TTT | FancyBird, I agree with ompaul, careful with VPS providers. Check with them before doing the upgrade. If you mess up the network settings, or get a wrong kernel installed, the image will break and become unreachable |
| 22:23.41 | ompaul | hashberry: was this an install today>? |
| 22:24.08 | hashberry | thanks no yesterday |
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| 22:24.23 | ompaul | hashberry: had you networking befgore it? |
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| 22:24.39 | ompaul | hashberry: did you dist-upgrade to get to this state? |
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| 22:25.12 | hashberry | yes in debian but not on this setup. No i didnot upgrade anything. I downloaded the amd64 iso image and installed it |
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| 22:25.32 | idueppe | WAU... after 10 frustating days of trying to debootstrap ubuntu onto raid1 -> lvm -> luks ... I just needed 4h with wheezy ;-) |
| 22:25.33 | ompaul | hashberry: you have two machines I take it |
| 22:25.39 | hashberry | ompaul:yes |
| 22:25.48 | ompaul | hashberry: check md5sum of installer |
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| 22:26.06 | ompaul | hashberry: this is a wheezy install yes? |
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| 22:26.10 | hashberry | yes |
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| 22:26.31 | ompaul | ok I'd almost say, get cable plug it in try the install again |
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| 22:27.05 | ompaul | hashberry: given it worked previously I have to suspect a faulty image |
| 22:27.13 | hashberry | hmm |
| 22:27.14 | hashberry | ok |
| 22:27.14 | ompaul | hashberry: I'd almost say start again |
| 22:27.31 | ompaul | hashberry: or to put it another way, that is what I would do |
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| 22:27.37 | hashberry | where is the most minimal iso image on the site |
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| 22:27.45 | ompaul | hashberry: no, get the netinstall |
| 22:27.47 | jhutchins | !netinstall |
| 22:27.48 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 22:27.57 | hashberry | oho k |
| 22:28.25 | ompaul | hashberry: good luck with that check your image md5sum when it comes down, if it is wrong get it from a torrent, or something else |
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| 22:28.52 | hashberry | ok thank you ompaul |
| 22:28.56 | ompaul | hashberry: cheers |
| 22:29.02 | rubidious | Hi, is the fglrx-legacy-driver currently supported in testing or unstable? |
| 22:29.09 | rubidious | I can't seem to get out of dependency hell |
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| 22:29.11 | hashberry | ya i didn't think of doing the netinstall good idea |
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| 22:29.54 | rubidious | apparently fglrx-driver doesn't support my card anymore so I'm stuck with the legacy driver |
| 22:30.06 | rubidious | which doesn't seem to want to install :x |
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| 22:30.29 | hashberry | If i have a raid 0 setup how do i tell debian to install the /home directory to that raid ? anyonek now |
| 22:31.50 | rubidious | it seems X 1.13 is not supported, but what about 1.14? |
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| 22:31.58 | jhutchins | ,versions fglrx-legacy-driver |
| 22:31.59 | judd | Package: fglrx-legacy-driver on i386 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 8.97.100.7-3~bpo70+1; sid/non-free: 8.97.100.7-4 |
| 22:33.06 | jhutchins | hashberry: I believe one generally splits the raid and instlals grub to the root of each volume. |
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| 22:34.02 | hashberry | jutchins: hmm okay |
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| 22:34.21 | rubidious | jhutchins: I'm current with unstable (sid), have non-free enabled and just finished a clean dist-upgrade |
| 22:34.47 | rubidious | however I get unmet dependencies such as: xorg-video-abi-12 which is a virtual package. or |
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| 22:37.03 | grieg | hello. what is the default firewall in wheezy? |
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| 22:39.46 | jhutchins | rubidious: If you're running sid, you should be used to "unmet dependencies" by now. |
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| 22:40.22 | rubidious | jhutchins: I was running testing, but updgraded just now to see if I could get the legacy driver |
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| 22:40.40 | rubidious | because fglrx-legacy-driver isn't supported at all from what I can see below unstable |
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| 22:41.36 | Kuba | okay, anyone any advice on installing debian on UEFI system? |
| 22:42.00 | Kuba | I cannot boot from usb prepared with dd and iso-hybrid image |
| 22:42.05 | grieg | #debian |
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| 22:42.36 | grieg | sry |
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| 22:48.22 | hashberry | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:50.05 | Kuba | hashberry: on packages.debian.org |
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| 22:50.54 | FancyBird | Ah, turns out my vpn provider has upstart installed as default and a dist-upgrade REMOVES it. and that's why it breaks :) |
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| 22:53.28 | hashberry | kuba: the firmware i need is rt2870.bin but i do not see it. Am i missing something ? |
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| 22:54.10 | Kuba | ❯❯❯ apt-file search rt2870.bin |
| 22:54.11 | Kuba | firmware-ralink: /lib/firmware/rt2870.bin |
| 22:54.18 | Kuba | hashberry: ^^ |
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| 22:54.52 | Kuba | hashberry: just download the deb and put it on the pendrive |
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| 22:55.42 | hashberry | you lost me there |
| 22:56.15 | idueppe | While setting up my system via debootstraping I call "apt-get -y install linux-image-amd64" for the chrooted system which leads to linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64, shouldn't I use a newer one? |
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| 22:56.49 | Kuba | idueppe: 3.2 is the latest on wheezy afair |
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| 22:58.18 | Kuba | haasn: why is that? |
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| 22:59.16 | idueppe | how can I install or find the firmware-realtek |
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| 23:01.00 | jhutchins | idueppe: WHich chipset? |
| 23:01.10 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 23:01.11 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-rc6-686-pae (3.13~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); jessie: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.10-1); wheezy-backports: 3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.11.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 23:01.43 | jhutchins | idueppe: Remember, the debian kernel is patched and is not the same as the same version number from kernel.org. |
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| 23:02.19 | idueppe | my root server will have intel core i7-4770 quad-core haswell |
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| 23:08.21 | Kuba | I need grub-efi but it conflicts with grub; how would you go about temporary installing efi version? |
| 23:09.34 | nkuttler | Kuba: just install it? or won't grub be removed? |
| 23:09.57 | johnfg_ | do we have sendfax? |
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| 23:10.16 | Kuba | nkuttler: grub-pc will be removed |
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| 23:10.48 | nkuttler | Kuba: and that's a problem? anyway, if you play with the bootloader always have a backup boot method |
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| 23:11.01 | johnfg_ | I was going to use the fax from xsane, but it's looking for sendfax which isn't installed, and it doesn't show up in synaptics. |
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| 23:11.08 | nkuttler | Kuba: just wondering though, why do you want -efi if you can boot? |
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| 23:12.53 | peterrooney | johnfg_: there's two sendfaxes - one in package mgetty-fax and another in package hylafax-client |
| 23:13.26 | johnfg_ | peterrooney: Ok. Would you recommend one of the programs over another? |
| 23:13.33 | nkuttler | johnfg_: if that solves your problem you should probably also report a bug for missing deps |
| 23:13.41 | nkuttler | or suggests, fwiw |
| 23:13.46 | Kuba | nkuttler: I want to install grub efi on a usb stick |
| 23:13.48 | peterrooney | johnfg_: also, "/msg dpkg apt-file" for how to answer questions like yours much much faster, and locally. |
| 23:13.50 | johnfg_ | nkuttler: good idea. |
| 23:13.58 | Kuba | nkuttler: as I cannot boot debian on UEFI machine |
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| 23:14.05 | johnfg_ | peterrooney: Thanks! |
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| 23:14.23 | nkuttler | Kuba: hm, i see. i'd just install grub-efi then i guess, install grub on the stick, and reinstall grub-pc |
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| 23:18.59 | Kuba | nkuttler: wouldn't update-grub be called as post-inst? |
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| 23:19.28 | Kuba | nkuttler: and therefore potentially destroying my current setup? |
| 23:19.54 | nkuttler | Kuba: that's why i said you need a backup boot method to be safe |
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| 23:20.06 | nkuttler | like a grub cd, or another usb device, etc |
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| 23:20.51 | nkuttler | Kuba: or you could use a chroot i guess |
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| 23:21.18 | nkuttler | but don't you need efi-capable hardware anyway to use it? |
| 23:22.03 | Kuba | I'm preparing a usb stick for UEFI capable hw, yes |
| 23:22.14 | Kuba | but am currently on BIOS |
| 23:22.17 | Kuba | ;) |
| 23:22.28 | nkuttler | yeah, just wondering if your machine can install an efi bootloader |
| 23:22.39 | Kuba | hmm |
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| 23:23.09 | nkuttler | Kuba: there's also a #grub fwiw |
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| 23:23.24 | Kuba | nkuttler: ok |
| 23:23.58 | Kuba | but why the hell default debian ISO is not UEFI compatible?! |
| 23:24.02 | Kuba | ;/ |
| 23:24.09 | dskfl | i'm running wheezy, anyone knows of any issues with qemu 1.1.2 when emulating ARM versatile ? I'm trying to boot this raspbian image and it dies with "Abort operation started" then some timeouts and finally SCSI BUS has been reset. And repeat.. |
| 23:24.10 | Kuba | maybe I'm doing it wrong? |
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| 23:32.40 | idueppe | mmh. no sudo command on my debootstraped system... what did I forgot? |
| 23:33.08 | nprice | nothing |
| 23:33.12 | nprice | it doesn't come as default |
| 23:33.14 | nprice | :) |
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| 23:33.42 | idueppe | :-) ... and what should I do to have one |
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| 23:34.44 | Kuba | idueppe: apt-get install |
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| 23:35.22 | abrotman | idueppe: use 'su' |
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| 23:35.41 | idueppe | aahh... ok |
| 23:35.42 | riceandbeans | any python guys here? |
| 23:35.49 | idueppe | got i |
| 23:35.51 | idueppe | got it |
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| 23:36.59 | idueppe | is there any tasksel or apt-get that I should install to get a default server system with common packages ? |
| 23:37.00 | Kuba | riceandbeans: yes? |
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| 23:37.49 | Belial` | fresh install of debian, updated to debian testing. running xfce4. for some reason when i apt-get upgrade i see an ass load of programs that it says i can autoremove. some of those programs i need and am using currently. how do i get that to go away? |
| 23:37.51 | idueppe | somethin similar like ubuntu-standard |
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| 23:38.12 | Belial` | ah my bad |
| 23:38.15 | Belial` | going to debian-next |
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| 23:38.58 | Kuba | omfg, I spent half a day on working out why live usb doesn't work on UEFI |
| 23:39.07 | Kuba | netinst 7.3 is just fine |
| 23:39.21 | Kuba | my question is then: why live iso is not UEFI compatible? |
| 23:39.39 | abrotman | when? it doesn't boot? |
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| 23:39.56 | Kuba | abrotman: indeed |
| 23:40.17 | abrotman | at all? or just doesn't install ? |
| 23:40.26 | Kuba | doesn't boot |
| 23:40.40 | Kuba | live iso doesn't have /efi |
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| 23:42.45 | Kuba | abrotman: any thoughts? :) |
| 23:43.22 | riceandbeans | Kuba: what's the debian recommended way to get flake8? |
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| 23:44.04 | Absolute0 | Has anyone managed to fix flash screen tearing in full screen mode? |
| 23:44.05 | Kuba | riceandbeans: stable? |
| 23:44.12 | riceandbeans | yeah |
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| 23:44.51 | Kuba | riceandbeans: I'd personally go for virtualenv + pip |
| 23:45.03 | riceandbeans | I was afraid you'd say pip |
| 23:45.18 | Kuba | well, it's not in the repo |
| 23:45.23 | riceandbeans | I know |
| 23:45.23 | Kuba | not in stable at least |
| 23:45.33 | riceandbeans | I just don't like pip |
| 23:45.51 | riceandbeans | I do perl and ruby too, and I like CPAN and gem a LOT better than pip |
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| 23:46.31 | Kuba | riceandbeans: what's wrong with pip install flake8? easy and simple |
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| 23:47.01 | riceandbeans | in theory nothing |
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| 23:47.24 | riceandbeans | also I have a suggestion for the systemd debate |
| 23:47.28 | Kuba | just do not mix pip with system-wide packages |
| 23:47.29 | idueppe | how can I get a list of all installed packages? |
| 23:47.36 | riceandbeans | dpkg -l |
| 23:47.37 | dpkg | Files in package riceandbeans-pr0n: /srv/riceandbeans-pr0n/riceandbeans.jpg |
| 23:47.42 | riceandbeans | dpkg -l | grep -v ^rc |
| 23:47.42 | dpkg | ii | grep -v ^rc 1.1-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 23:48.02 | riceandbeans | rc are removed but config still there |
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| 23:48.33 | riceandbeans | Kuba: instead of sysvinit, systemd, or upstart or launchd, let's replace them all in debian with emacs |
| 23:49.05 | idueppe | thx |
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| 23:49.24 | abrotman | Kuba: figure it out ? |
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| 23:50.02 | abrotman | dpkg: tell idueppe about installed |
| 23:50.02 | Kuba | abrotman: I haven't done it, but I'd guess one has to install grub-efi and install grub to the pendrive |
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| 23:50.19 | Kuba | abrotman: it's a shame though |
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| 23:56.46 | doug_f | Does start-stop-daemon do anything with Java apps like throw in a -Xmx java option? |
| 23:57.34 | joschi | doug_f: no, not automatically |
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| 23:57.53 | joschi | doug_f: you can, however, add any JVM option you'd like manually |
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| 23:58.36 | joschi | doug_f: that said, you might want to take a look at jsvc if you have to handle Java programs/services |
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| 23:59.37 | doug_f | joschi: It is really odd I see -Xmx being set for two separate java apps via ps but not in either init script. |
| 23:59.58 | joschi | doug_f: well, it's not start-stop-daemon by itself ;) |