| 00:00.10 | joschi | doug_f: maybe some shell script which is invoked by the init script? |
| 00:00.25 | doug_f | joschi: not that I can tell. |
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| 00:01.16 | doug_f | joschi: It seems that -Xmx is automatically set to half memory but I don't see where it would rewrite the command to add it into the PS output. |
| 00:01.30 | V160D05D | Hi. Somebody uses Dell 3521 with dual graphic and Debian? |
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| 00:05.31 | V160D05D | Uh :( I need help. Why i can't find switcheroo dir in /sys/kernel/debug? |
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| 00:07.58 | dskfl | is using checkinstall good practice in debian? |
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| 00:08.31 | idueppe | sooo... I managed to connect via ssh to dropbear and busybox to enter passphrase for lux.. but how do I do this? |
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| 00:08.39 | abrotman | dskfl: it's better than "make install" .. Is there a chance to make a package? |
| 00:08.43 | idueppe | lux = luks |
| 00:08.47 | dskfl | in the readme it says support for debian is pretty new so handle with care |
| 00:09.03 | dskfl | agree it's better than make install |
| 00:09.57 | abrotman | dskfl: so yes, ckeckinstall/stow is a good practice. Debian package is better |
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| 00:10.43 | dskfl | awesome |
| 00:11.06 | dskfl | i never liked make install |
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| 00:19.14 | jhutchins | dskfl: No, not good practice. Good practice is build a .deb. |
| 00:19.23 | jhutchins | dskfl: There are utilities to help. |
| 00:19.49 | dskfl | checkinstall builds a .deb |
| 00:20.10 | dskfl | it's for me only , i'm not planning to distribute it |
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| 00:24.34 | jhutchins | dskfl: Oh, well, that's quite different. chkinstall has been around a long time. |
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| 00:25.02 | jhutchins | dskfl: At one point it was just a wrapper for make/install that logged info to the package database. |
| 00:25.30 | jhutchins | dskfl: Still, the internal debian utilities are probably a bit more complicated but preferred. |
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| 00:25.52 | jhutchins | dskfl: What are you installing that is not within the 30,000 package debian scope? |
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| 00:26.19 | roothorick | is there a relatively easy way to upgrade the kernel on wheezy to 3.4+? |
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| 00:26.26 | roothorick | I may need to for the fixed ath9k driver |
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| 00:27.25 | idueppe | Wonderful it works.... :-) ... I managed to debootstrap wheezy onto raid1 > luks > lvm with remote ssh unlock :-) ... After 10 days strugling with (#)ubuntu ... I was nearly to give up .... I should have tried debian early... thx for the support ... now I can go to bed finally:-) |
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| 00:31.41 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 00:31.42 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-rc6-686-pae (3.13~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); jessie: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.10-1); wheezy-backports: 3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.11.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 00:32.11 | jhutchins | roothorick: 3.4 no. 3.11 yes. |
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| 00:43.47 | rubidious | why does my machine seem to tank when I'm writing to a usb external disk |
| 00:44.03 | rubidious | cpu usage is well below 1/4 per core |
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| 00:46.08 | roger_rabbit | rubidious: sounds like a power issue |
| 00:46.13 | roger_rabbit | is it a laptop? |
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| 00:55.59 | abrotman | "tank" ? |
| 00:56.04 | str3 | are there known issues with atheros based wifi usb adapters on jessie? |
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| 00:56.24 | str3 | because i cant get this one to work, despite getting firmware-atheros and it claims to support the device |
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| 00:57.21 | abrotman | str3: any useful messages in dmesg? |
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| 00:57.58 | str3 | i'll check, brb |
| 00:59.06 | rubidious | roger_rabbit: no it happens on both a laptop and a desktop |
| 00:59.10 | rubidious | but it's the same drive |
| 00:59.18 | rubidious | one of the kind that has no external power |
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| 01:04.36 | mcr | are there some packages, e.g.: libusb-1.0-0-dev where I simply can not have both i386 and amd64 installed at the same time? |
| 01:05.05 | mcr | (this really slows my multi-arch testing of tcpdump...) |
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| 01:07.42 | jordanm | mcr: yes, some 32bit package conflict with the 64bit versions |
| 01:08.09 | ObrienDave | well, USB is usually 0.5A, the drive could tax the port fairly easily |
| 01:08.41 | str3 | abrotman: wiped and reinstalled firmware-linux-free, that did the trick, it might have been trying to load some legacy shit driver that was in the atheros package before |
| 01:08.59 | str3 | dmesg just said it couldnt find carl ;p |
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| 01:10.38 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 01:10.43 | abrotman | carl, eh? |
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| 01:15.20 | str3 | abrotman: :p carl9170 |
| 01:15.41 | abrotman | oh okay |
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| 01:28.08 | riceandbeans | who here is good with ldapsearch and wants to prove a point? |
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| 01:39.18 | riceandbeans | abrotman: nevermind |
| 01:39.35 | abrotman | thought so |
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| 02:03.29 | pedrocr | anyone know what the correct syntax is for arch specific dependencies in packages? |
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| 02:03.43 | pedrocr | something like "dmidecode[all-i386,all-ia64,all-amd64]" |
| 02:04.09 | pedrocr | so that the "Depends: " line only brings in dmidecode on those platforms |
| 02:04.27 | pedrocr | is "," the correct separator or is it "|" or something else? |
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| 02:22.18 | oblio | huzza |
| 02:24.07 | oblio | anyone here familiar with xrandr |
| 02:24.12 | oblio | living with xrandr |
| 02:24.19 | oblio | life with, subsequently leading into, before and after |
| 02:24.20 | oblio | xrandr |
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| 02:27.27 | dondelelcaro | oblio: what's your question? |
| 02:27.31 | oblio | well |
| 02:27.48 | oblio | basically, if i run xrandr, how am i supposed to move windows between screens? |
| 02:27.50 | oblio | or it simply not possible? |
| 02:27.53 | oblio | vs using xinerama |
| 02:27.59 | oblio | (i have ATI cards) |
| 02:28.01 | dondelelcaro | oblio: depends on what you're doing |
| 02:28.15 | oblio | it seems to me there are a lot of docs that says "blech xinerama, it's so slow" |
| 02:28.23 | oblio | so i switched to xrandr |
| 02:28.27 | oblio | but now i cant move windows between screens |
| 02:28.28 | dondelelcaro | oblio: if your cards support --left-of or similar, then you can just use xrandr. |
| 02:28.33 | oblio | or even open programs on both desktops |
| 02:28.37 | oblio | e.g. my terminal app |
| 02:28.39 | oblio | er both screens |
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| 02:28.40 | dondelelcaro | oblio: if they don't, then you have to use xinerama. |
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| 02:28.45 | oblio | well, it works |
| 02:28.47 | oblio | --right-of |
| 02:28.51 | oblio | my cursor moves back and forth |
| 02:28.54 | dondelelcaro | oblio: what you're doing now is running two X servers. |
| 02:28.56 | oblio | but windows cant |
| 02:28.58 | dondelelcaro | !tell oblio -about windows |
| 02:29.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell oblio -about enter |
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| 02:29.14 | dondelelcaro | needs to stop reading as he's typing |
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| 02:29.41 | oblio | heh |
| 02:29.56 | oblio | my understanding is that xinerama is just 2 x servers wrapped in a meta xserver |
| 02:30.04 | oblio | in order to allow for windows to pass back and forth across the 2 screens |
| 02:30.07 | dondelelcaro | oblio: no |
| 02:30.36 | dondelelcaro | oblio: it's totally different. It's a single X server, which talks to separate video cards. |
| 02:30.43 | oblio | and it seems that xinerama is supported by ati but not nvidia, and that twinview is supported by nvidia and not ati |
| 02:30.46 | oblio | or am i making all this stuff up |
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| 02:31.07 | dondelelcaro | oblio: xinerama is supported pretty much everywhere, but you often can't get nvidia cards with twinview to work properly with it |
| 02:31.17 | oblio | gotcha |
| 02:31.40 | nath__ | #flood |
| 02:31.48 | dondelelcaro | anyway, if you see all of your cards in a single xrandr; output, then you generally should be able to configure things just using xrandr |
| 02:31.55 | dondelelcaro | if you can't, then you won't be able to, iirc. |
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| 02:34.47 | nath__ | hey all does anyone have a link how to setup/use nigiri ? |
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| 03:09.01 | JoeCoder | so I tried using a packange from testing, and now I can't update or install anything because I get "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" with libc-dev-bin and libc-dev. How can I revert all my packages back to stable? |
| 03:09.21 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 03:09.21 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 03:10.19 | JoeCoder | what if I completely remove all the packages I installed after trying to get some from testing? |
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| 03:13.37 | JoeCoder | so I guess I'll format and reinstall from scratch? |
| 03:14.15 | JoeCoder | i only tried to install php5.5 from jessie onto wheezie. |
| 03:14.19 | dvs | And pulled in the base libraries for jessie |
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| 03:14.34 | JoeCoder | using this guide: serverfault.com/a/22421 |
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| 03:14.51 | JoeCoder | it seems so, yes. |
| 03:15.35 | AsumFace | did you already try this?: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html |
| 03:15.54 | JoeCoder | nope. I'll take a look. thanks. |
| 03:16.36 | JoeCoder | I had assumed a highly upvoted serverfault answer would be safe. |
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| 03:19.27 | nath__ | damn I was disconnected: anyone has experince with nigiri or any other terminal IRC chat Client, I did not find anything usefull in the net |
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| 03:19.53 | dvs | people generally use irssi |
| 03:20.01 | dvs | If I can spell it right |
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| 03:20.17 | nath__ | dvs: i'LL CHECK THAT ONE |
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| 03:22.36 | nath__ | dvs: sorry for the capital |
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| 03:22.59 | dvs | growls with anger! |
| 03:23.32 | nath__ | dvs: yes it has XAMPP Plugin, that was more then I was hoping to find ;-) - thanks |
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| 03:23.40 | dvs | no problem |
| 03:24.29 | abrotman | that was painful |
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| 03:26.44 | Jo-Con-El | Is alioth down for everyone? Was that a scheduled downtime? |
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| 03:29.05 | dondelelcaro | Jo-Con-El: AFAIK, it's not a scheduled downtime, but it is down |
| 03:29.31 | Jo-Con-El | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
| 03:29.36 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, other people have recently said that the DB was down) |
| 03:29.57 | Jo-Con-El | Yep |
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| 03:32.56 | johnfg | Can a printer/fax/copier/scanner be used with hylafax? |
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| 03:33.14 | johnfg | specifically the fax of a multiuse machine? |
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| 03:35.03 | abrotman | johnfg: It's been ages, but I feel like hylafax a) was buggy b) was specific about what would work |
| 03:36.04 | johnfg | abrotman: I don't use the fax too much, but have needed it lately, and would like to be able to use debian tools. |
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| 03:36.20 | johnfg | Do you prefer the other we have, mgetty? |
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| 03:38.02 | johnfg | abrotman: I mean, mgetty-fax? |
| 03:38.02 | dvs | hasn't been able to make hylafax work with a Linux client |
| 03:38.26 | johnfg | dvs: I'm not surprised. I've already uninstalled it. |
| 03:38.43 | johnfg | dvs: You tried anything else? |
| 03:38.52 | dvs | Works nicely with Windows though |
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| 03:45.55 | abrotman | johnfg: Sorry, let me put it this way .. hylafax is a nightmare .. but it's really the only thing that does what it does in Linux |
| 03:46.41 | dvs | no kidding! |
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| 04:02.53 | chrisoprase | Hi. I´m locked outside my pc. The display went dark and it froze, but after waiting some time, the keyboard is responsive again and I have sound, but the display is still dark. I´ve tried Alt+Ctrl+Fn to get a shell, but that disables the keyboard (returning with F7 reenables it again. Normally I´d just restart, but this time I have some work I don't want to loose. I writting from my nokia, so resources are limited. What s |
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| 04:03.37 | johnfg_ | a while ago I installed hplip-3.13.9-1 from sid. Current version is 3.13.11-2 on sid |
| 04:04.03 | jelly-home | chrisoprase: do you have ssh server running on the machine? |
| 04:04.11 | johnfg_ | Is there no way to have hplip upgraded? Or do I have to do the whole backport again? |
| 04:04.35 | jelly-home | johnfg_: the latter |
| 04:04.55 | johnfg_ | jelly-home: Figures; but thanks. |
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| 04:05.28 | chrisoprase | jelly-hoome: no |
| 04:05.51 | jelly-home | chrisoprase: no idea then, sorry |
| 04:05.54 | DrakkenWarr | chrisoprase, is this a desktop or a laptop? |
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| 04:07.24 | johnfg_ | judd versions hplip |
| 04:07.25 | judd | Package: hplip on i386 -- squeeze: 3.10.6-2+squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.10.6-2+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 3.10.6-2+squeeze2; wheezy: 3.12.6-3.1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u1; jessie: 3.13.11-2; sid: 3.13.11-2 |
| 04:07.37 | chrisoprase | It's a desktop,only has one open port for rtorrent afaik, which was running before it froze |
| 04:07.44 | munderwo | Hi all. Im playing around with setting up my own debian/ubuntu repository/mirror. I was wonder about how you get your own packages on a mirror? Is it enough to just add it into the filesystem? or does it depend on the mirror? |
| 04:08.13 | johnfg_ | does it matter in the backport whether it's from jessie or sid? |
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| 04:08.29 | jelly-home | chrisoprase: install openssh-server to have access for the next time this happens |
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| 04:09.36 | jelly-home | and perhaps x11vnc to connect to the X session hopefully still running |
| 04:09.43 | DrakkenWarr | are you sure the monitor hasn't failed chrisoprase? |
| 04:09.51 | DrakkenWarr | do you have a way to vnc into the machine from your phone? |
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| 04:12.52 | chrisoprase | The monitor hasn't failed: it has happened before and it's ok after reboot;and when I press a key after idling thereśś`s an increase in brightness |
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| 04:16.16 | chrisoprase | I don`t have vnc. The wierd part is that I can hear myself unlocking the screen after it autolocks due to inactivity |
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| 04:17.05 | DrakkenWarr | could be a video card on the outs. or if you are using onboard vid a mobo that is starting to go south |
| 04:17.19 | DrakkenWarr | I honestly have never had anything like that with any of my debian machines |
| 04:18.54 | chrisoprase | is there a shortcut to bring up a graphic terminal, or to restart the xserver? |
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| 04:19.40 | Hilton | Hello! Trying to install Debian on a VirtualBox image, using http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso , but it goes nowhere - I select Install or Graphical Install and it just freezes ... ? |
| 04:20.19 | viscera | is http://cut.debian.net ever going to be a first-class thing? |
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| 04:21.11 | jelly-home | viscera: it's a lot of work |
| 04:21.37 | viscera | no doubt |
| 04:21.45 | viscera | just wondering the status/momentum of it... |
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| 04:23.15 | abrotman | viscera: does the website cover that? |
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| 04:23.53 | viscera | abrotman, not explicitly. implicitly, it looks like it's dying/dead |
| 04:24.56 | munderwo | Hi all, Im interested in setting up a personal apt-get server to distribute my own .debs? how do other people do this? |
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| 04:26.13 | chrisoprase | How about a shortcut to hybernate? I could salvage my work from the swap? |
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| 04:27.31 | abrotman | viscera: I think it really needs a champion. If there isn't someone driving the cause, they end up dying. See things like Debian Jr. |
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| 04:29.07 | viscera | abrotman, it blows my mind that people are content to use testing/unstable on their desktops. but yeah, i guess you're right. |
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| 04:30.37 | jelly-home | someone's hankering for a ban |
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| 04:31.38 | Hilton | Can someone tell me why the 64-bit Netinst ISO freezes after selecting Install, running under Oracle VirtualBox? |
| 04:32.09 | abrotman | IKilledJesus: knock it off |
| 04:32.20 | abrotman | Hilton: tried the text mode? expert mode? 32bit? |
| 04:32.56 | IKilledJesus | what wrong have i done? |
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| 04:33.11 | IKilledJesus | u dislike my nick? |
| 04:33.26 | Hilton | Okay, Expert mode does something...but now I'm confused. Does VirtualBox not pass through my 64-bit CPU? I got the message "this kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU." |
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| 04:33.37 | meshuggah | calm down |
| 04:33.47 | abrotman | meshuggah: how abou tnot being a jerk? |
| 04:34.01 | meshuggah | i did not even talked here |
| 04:34.07 | abrotman | Hilton: you tell vbox if you want it to be a 64bit or 32bit VM |
| 04:34.12 | abrotman | meshuggah: not amused |
| 04:34.33 | meshuggah | peace and love bro |
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| 04:35.14 | abrotman | not from oyu |
| 04:35.33 | meshuggah | :(((((((( |
| 04:35.43 | AsumFace | Hilton, What CPU do you have? if your CPU doesn't support virtualization, you might are forced to use a 32 bit image |
| 04:36.08 | Hilton | abrotman: I don't see that option anywhere. I have the option to set 1-4 CPUs, motherboard chipset, ... |
| 04:36.22 | Hilton | Core i5-2410M |
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| 04:37.47 | AsumFace | 64bit images should work |
| 04:38.01 | wols | AsumFace: laptops BIOS sometimes disable Vt-x |
| 04:38.15 | wols | so while the cpu can do it,doesn't mean the hardware actually does |
| 04:38.19 | meshuggah | what is vt-x? |
| 04:38.44 | wols | the name of a Intel virtualization technology |
| 04:38.53 | meshuggah | oh ok yhsnk |
| 04:38.58 | meshuggah | thank\ |
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| 04:39.56 | Hilton | Hmm. |
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| 04:40.07 | Hilton | Any way to tell without rebooting? |
| 04:41.38 | wols | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 04:44.37 | Hilton | wols: I can't exactly get Debian running right now ;) |
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| 04:44.49 | wols | what are you running then? |
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| 04:47.20 | Hilton | Win7 |
| 04:47.54 | Hilton | Downloading the 32-bit ISO now. It's just for a dev virtual box, I doubt I'll notice any difference. :) |
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| 04:51.13 | wols | Hilton: cpu-z (need to download it) will tell |
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| 04:51.32 | Hilton | Yeah I almost did but I figured to hell with the trouble, just go 32-bit. |
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| 04:59.14 | phix | and canadian and south africian and australian and new zealand and .... |
| 04:59.29 | phix | ok wrong channel |
| 04:59.42 | Hilton | phix: Listing all the English speaking countries that are better than America? |
| 04:59.51 | Hilton | In order of best-to-worst? |
| 05:00.14 | phix | Listing the English speaking countries that can spell |
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| 05:00.26 | Hilton | That works too, neighbour. |
| 05:00.35 | phix | <3 |
| 05:00.50 | Hilton | Just keep any colourful language to a minimum, eh? |
| 05:01.04 | phix | but yes pfftopic, touch pad fail or fat fingets |
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| 05:02.00 | phix | Hilton: dont worry, i wont start speaking polish |
| 05:02.03 | Hilton | pfftopic? fingets? I suppose that you are not from one of those English speaking countries that can spell... |
| 05:02.27 | Hilton | phix: Good, because my grandmother neglected to teach me any. Or I didn't pay attention. One of those. |
| 05:02.27 | phix | i am but tpuch pad keys are too small :( |
| 05:03.05 | phix | Hilton: there is one english profanity that is a common word in polish |
| 05:03.22 | Hilton | Yes I've heard of that. |
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| 05:04.01 | Hilton | Also, I think it is in Polish that my pseudonym "Valdus" means something impolite. |
| 05:04.02 | phix | any way, who needs debian help? i am available |
| 05:04.11 | phix | heh |
| 05:04.22 | phix | ah languages |
| 05:06.06 | Hilton | Ah I hope this HDD recovery works... I don't want to re-do all that work. 3 months of work, and I discover my auto-backups weren't working... so I plan to do one manually the next day and BOOM, laptop blows up. |
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| 05:07.06 | phix | Hilton: yeah it is a good idea to rotate and test backup media |
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| 05:07.32 | jordanm | Hilton: that's the law of computers. once you discover a threat/issue you have 24hrs before it actually happens |
| 05:07.54 | jordanm | of course not always true, but a good idea to work like it is :) |
| 05:07.59 | Hilton | 7 hours. |
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| 05:09.16 | phix | jordanm: when a drive failed in my Raid1 array it took 8months until the remaining drive blew up |
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| 05:12.54 | Hilton | Worst part is I was also one day away from uploading the new test site to a server. Everyone is waiting, and I don't even have a copy to download back! |
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| 05:14.08 | Hilton | Should I let the installer add the "Web server", "SQL database", etc or do it all myself after install? |
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| 05:14.25 | jordanm | you can do it yourself if you prefer |
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| 05:14.54 | Hilton | It's been years since I've used Linux and that was very little. I'm setting this up in a virtual box to try and replicate the server environment rather than testing on a local XAMPP install. |
| 05:15.00 | AsumFace | does the debian installer install apache as web server? |
| 05:15.02 | wols | Hilton: you can run this program again after installation "tasksel" |
| 05:15.03 | Hilton | Taking myself out of my comfort zone. |
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| 05:15.56 | Hilton | I should probably uncheck the Desktop environment too, just to make my life really difficult ;) Well, maybe not THAT difficult... |
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| 05:35.15 | Hilton | libsoup? libebook? libcanberra? wth is all this stuff being installed. |
| 05:35.37 | Hilton | It's feeling like a Debian install takes longer than installing Windows 7 on a 486... |
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| 05:36.51 | shingouz | a windows install only installs the o/s while the debian install also installs the kitchen sink |
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| 05:37.42 | laigualdad | Hilton make sure not to tell it to install any mail, print, or whatever servers, or you will be there all night |
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| 05:38.10 | laigualdad | assuming you want a desktop install |
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| 05:41.48 | Hilton | I think Desktop, Mail, and Laptop were selected. The defaults. I just left it. |
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| 05:42.47 | laigualdad | i bet it was the mail server |
| 05:43.06 | laigualdad | having installed debian a few times now |
| 05:43.24 | laigualdad | i noticed it only took about an hour if i selected desktop and laptop |
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| 05:44.16 | Hilton | My big question right now is whether I can pause DataRescue DD, which is making a disk image of a hard drive for data recovery, so I can unplug said drive's power and move downstairs... :P |
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| 05:45.39 | laigualdad | that i do not know... |
| 05:46.33 | somiaj | I woudln't chance it. (: |
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| 05:47.09 | AsumFace | no risk, no fun :> |
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| 05:48.44 | kevin__ | Hi can anyone help me join other chat rooms? |
| 05:49.10 | __FBi | /join #other_room |
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| 06:17.02 | swissmiss | hello can anyone help me with an ethernet driver issue. Debian will not identify my onboard ethernet port. I also tried downloading the firmware and doing a net install and that also failed any ideas ? |
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| 06:20.52 | buu | swissmiss: What is the name of the card? |
| 06:22.08 | swissmiss | buu: its an intel I217 |
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| 06:22.48 | swissmiss | it works fine in another os but debian won't pick it up |
| 06:23.04 | buu | Can you give me the exact stirng? |
| 06:23.07 | shingouz | !tell swissmiss about i217 |
| 06:23.12 | swissmiss | so it can't be the bios |
| 06:23.37 | swissmiss | i dont have it installed anymore : / i dont know what to do |
| 06:23.46 | shingouz | swissmiss: see if you can modprobe the module |
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| 06:24.25 | wols | you should read what dpkg messaged you. you will need a backports kernel, the debian stable kernel is 3.2.0 and doesn't support that hardware yet. 3.10 from backports does |
| 06:24.26 | shingouz | hmm... what kernel do you have there? |
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| 06:25.12 | swissmiss | ya it was 3.2.0 |
| 06:25.56 | swissmiss | 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Haswell DRAM Controller (rev 06) |
| 06:25.56 | swissmiss | 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Haswell PCI Express x16 Controller (rev 06) |
| 06:25.56 | swissmiss | 00:01.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Haswell PCI Express x8 Controller (rev 06) |
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| 06:25.56 | swissmiss | 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation Lynx Point MEI Controller #1 (rev 04) |
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| 06:27.18 | swisssmiss | hey i got booted |
| 06:27.37 | swisssmiss | i tried posting lspci output |
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| 06:27.56 | swisssmiss | any advice on the ethernet issue |
| 06:28.25 | buu | swisssmiss: Yeah don't paste into a fucking irc channel |
| 06:28.37 | buu | swisssmiss: 00:24 < wols> you should read what dpkg messaged you. you will need a backports kernel, the debian stable kernel is 3.2.0 and doesn't support that hardware yet. 3.10 from backports does |
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| 06:29.02 | swisssmiss | ok |
| 06:29.07 | swisssmiss | thank you |
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| 06:35.31 | Jo-Con-El | Anyone from the pkg-ruby-extras team around? |
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| 06:36.58 | DeepBlue | the lightdm displaymanager blocks me from logging in my account.now i want activate auto login to my account.i can log in root account via recovery mode but u don't no what changes to commit in which files? |
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| 06:39.56 | DeepBlue | the lightdm displaymanager blocks me from logging in my account.now i want to activate auto login to my account.i can log in root account via recovery mode but i don't no what changes to commit in which files? |
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| 06:41.23 | DeepBlue | i'm in Debian wheezy and the lightdm displaymanager blocks me from logging in my account.now i want to activate auto login to my account.i can log in root account via recovery mode but i don't no what changes to commit in which files? |
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| 07:17.01 | ese5 | so i'm trying to compile pennmush on a pi.... ./configure halts after complaining that I don't have openssl ... ? |
| 07:17.06 | ese5 | configure: error: The OpenSSL library must be installed to run PennMUSH. |
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| 07:30.45 | ese5 | i think i may have sussed it |
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| 07:33.56 | somiaj | ese5: so install the openssl dev package |
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| 07:34.13 | somiaj | eshlox: libssl-dev |
| 07:34.33 | ese5 | somiaj: yeah i got it now haha |
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| 07:34.47 | ese5 | thanks for you response... sorry, been away from linux for awhile |
| 07:35.22 | ese5 | suddenly dawned on me that because i have openssl doesn't mean i have the libs |
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| 07:36.50 | ese5 | getting back into unix with the pi is kind of slow going |
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| 07:39.24 | bullgard4 | "Everything in Unix/Linux is a file": 'man icedove': "Mozilla options > -P [profile]: Start {icedove} with profile. When no profile is given, displays the Profile Manager." On my Debian 7.3 '~$ icedove -P' invokes the program window »Icedove - Choose User Profile« displaying in the right-hand selection box the item »default«. What file is choosen if i select this item and press the »Start... |
| 07:39.25 | bullgard4 | ...Icedove« button? |
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| 07:42.18 | lwizardl | hello |
| 07:42.30 | SirLagz | hi |
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| 07:43.26 | lwizardl | I was wondering if there is an easy what to do this. I have Mint Linux installed. what I would like to do is reformat my partitions but keep my /home/ directly files. |
| 07:43.45 | lwizardl | and then install debian |
| 07:44.32 | bezaban | you can manually specify partitions to mount as what and if you want to format them during the install procedure |
| 07:44.56 | bezaban | you just got to make sure you know which one is the home partition when you get to that point of the installation |
| 07:45.10 | lwizardl | k I thought so, I know I did something similar in the past |
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| 07:45.46 | bezaban | assuming it is a separate partition already :) |
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| 07:49.37 | sklav | Hi guys |
| 07:49.56 | sklav | ever since the update to 7.3 i have noticed an annoying bug with urxvt |
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| 07:50.23 | sklav | it no longer display how many users are logged in when running top or w |
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| 07:50.57 | sklav | example i have 3 shells open and this is top's information |
| 07:51.01 | sklav | 07:48:35 up 13 min, 0 users, load average: 0.21, 0.11, 0.06 |
| 07:51.18 | sklav | if i open xterm or terminator etc... it works correctly |
| 07:51.42 | sklav | this worked prior to updating to 7.3 |
| 07:52.52 | sklav | btw if i run urxvt as root after an su - it works correctly |
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| 07:53.06 | sklav | im not sure what changed between 7.2 and 7.3 |
| 07:53.06 | bullgard4 | sklav: With my Debian 7.3 the command w woks normally on a Thinkpad T61 computer. |
| 07:53.30 | sklav | bullgard4, i tested this on a clean install and on crunchbang |
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| 07:53.34 | sklav | same effect |
| 07:53.51 | sklav | do you run rxvt-unicode? |
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| 07:54.26 | bullgard4 | sklav: Please crutinize your logs in /var/log/ for any anomalities. |
| 07:54.39 | bullgard4 | s/crutinize/scrutinize/ |
| 07:54.48 | sklav | as stated this is only happening with rxvt or urxvt when run as non root |
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| 07:55.07 | bullgard4 | sklav: I am using uxterm. |
| 07:55.55 | sklav | uxterm is not showing the behaviour i have described |
| 07:56.10 | sklav | rxvt is |
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| 07:57.44 | bullgard4 | May be this will give you a hint: Start your rxvt or urxvt in another terminal and look for any error messages. |
| 07:58.02 | sklav | i have already |
| 07:58.08 | bullgard4 | May be this will give you a hint: Start your rxvt or urxvt in another terminal (other than rxvt or urxvt) and look for any error messages. |
| 07:58.09 | sklav | sadly im not seeing anything |
| 07:59.22 | sklav | is there a way im not aware to make it more verbose? |
| 07:59.31 | bullgard4 | Have you googled for "Debian 7.3" AND "rxvt"? |
| 07:59.46 | sklav | for the last week |
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| 08:00.09 | bullgard4 | sklav: I don't think that you can make w more verbose. |
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| 08:00.40 | sklav | it must be a permission issue |
| 08:00.50 | sklav | as root the issue is not present |
| 08:00.57 | sklav | only as a regular user |
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| 08:01.21 | sklav | im think utmp or something along those lines got its permissions changed |
| 08:01.41 | sklav | rxvt itself was not update during the 7.3 update |
| 08:01.48 | sklav | just some xorg files and base-files |
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| 08:04.05 | sklav | the only packages that might be related to the issue is base-files xserver-xorg-core xserver-common |
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| 08:04.58 | sklav | past that apt and curl and some files along those lines got updated and i cannot see the relation |
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| 08:14.01 | bullgard4 | I cannot see there any relationship either. |
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| 08:15.43 | jelly-home | sklav: does /var/run/utmp exist? |
| 08:16.00 | sklav | let me check |
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| 08:16.16 | sklav | no it does not |
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| 08:17.19 | sklav | sorry yes it does |
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| 08:17.34 | sklav | i was looking in /var/log for some reason |
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| 08:19.02 | sklav | these are the permissions on it -rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 4992 Jan 3 07:59 utmp |
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| 08:19.21 | somiaj | sklav: can you compare the envariables of a xterm that works vs the terminal that doesn't? |
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| 08:19.34 | somiaj | sklav: the output of env, maybe paste it at paste.debian.net or look for a differnce |
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| 08:22.38 | omid8bimo | i need a little consultant. my server has been attached by botnet 2 times in that past 3 months. here is the scenario, server is debian running a web application wrriten in php served by apache. here's what i found as being infected. there was a custom php binary running pnscan to brute scan other IPs. they ware saved under /tmp and /dev/shm/tmp. so my question is how to prevent apache/php to save files under |
| 08:22.40 | omid8bimo | temp and how to prevent that from auto executing? |
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| 08:22.53 | sklav | somiaj, im not seeing a difference |
| 08:23.05 | sklav | if you like i can still paste on pastebin |
| 08:23.15 | sklav | but im not seeing anything stand out |
| 08:23.16 | somiaj | sure, I'm just trying to think of things that could be different |
| 08:23.25 | sklav | in general they look almost identical |
| 08:24.00 | somiaj | ,v xrvt |
| 08:24.01 | judd | No package named 'xrvt' was found in i386. |
| 08:24.07 | somiaj | ,v rxvt |
| 08:24.08 | judd | Package: rxvt on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.6.4-14; wheezy: 1:2.6.4-14; jessie: 1:2.7.10-5; sid: 1:2.7.10-5 |
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| 08:24.36 | sklav | somiaj, rxvt-unicode |
| 08:24.50 | somiaj | so rxvt works but not rxvt-unicode? |
| 08:25.04 | sklav | they work |
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| 08:25.19 | somiaj | I mean only the unicode one gives you the bug? |
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| 08:27.44 | somiaj | I am not able to reproduce the issue on either my wheezy or sid here |
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| 08:29.21 | sklav | but do not display login info properly |
| 08:29.23 | sklav | 08:25:34 up 50 min, 0 users, load average: 0.03, 0.07, 0.08 |
| 08:29.23 | sklav | this is with 4 terminals open |
| 08:29.23 | sklav | if i do the same with xterm |
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| 08:29.49 | sklav | i got kicked sorry |
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| 08:30.03 | somiaj | yea don't paste, and I understand the bug you see. I am just saying I cannot reproduce it |
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| 08:30.48 | somiaj | sklav: does it work correctly if you type 'who /var/run/utmp' |
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| 08:31.34 | sklav | somiaj as root it works btw with the terminal in question |
| 08:31.44 | somiaj | yes you said that to, that is not the question I asked |
| 08:31.53 | sklav | the above command returns nothing for me btw |
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| 08:32.33 | sklav | but if i run xterm it returns a value |
| 08:32.46 | somiaj | well try this, as root 'cp /var/run/utmp /tmp/utmp && chmod 777 /tmp/utmp' then run 'who /tmp/utmp' |
| 08:32.50 | sklav | using the command you listed above |
| 08:32.53 | somiaj | sklav: yes I understand that, no need to repeate y ourself. (: |
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| 08:33.13 | somiaj | and run that who command in the place it doens't work. I don't care about the places it does work |
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| 08:36.34 | sklav | nada |
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| 08:39.04 | sklav | i changed the permission to /var/run/utmp to 777 and now it works the way i would have expected |
| 08:39.51 | somiaj | sklav: so there is some issues with permissions in that terminal....I'd change it back to 664 |
| 08:39.55 | somiaj | sklav: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/rxvt-unicode/9.15-1/#rxvt-unicode_9.15-1 |
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| 08:40.14 | somiaj | sklav: I think you have the version 9.15-2 installed now, downgrade it to 9.15-1 and see if it is an upgrade of that package |
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| 08:41.40 | somiaj | but I am not able to reproduce the effect and it seems strange that your urxvt shell will not read a file it has read permisions to, maybe look at 'ls -ld /run' |
| 08:42.00 | somiaj | but permisions issues shouldn't be based on shell |
| 08:42.05 | sklav | somiaj, i just found the following http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=500230 |
| 08:42.18 | sklav | which describes the problem perfectly |
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| 08:43.22 | somiaj | ahh yea, I woudln't have thought that the shell had a setgid ran with it. (: |
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| 08:43.27 | somiaj | sorry not shell, terminal |
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| 08:44.07 | sklav | last update is from sunday Dec 22 2013 with a fix that will be available hopefully soon |
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| 08:45.28 | sklav | thansk for the help i will revert my utmp change and wait for the update to trickle down |
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| 08:47.20 | omid8bimo | how can i mount /tmp with noexec when /tmp is not a partition thus not in fstab? |
| 08:48.21 | RaymondX | hi. what's the command for generating initrd and vmlinuz? |
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| 08:48.42 | sandGorgon | is anybody using debian stable with systemd ? Any idea how to set it up ? |
| 08:48.44 | sklav | im not sure downgrade is an option on wheezy |
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| 08:49.49 | RaymondX | sandGorgon: lol...it's not even in testing yet |
| 08:49.55 | hzy | test |
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| 08:50.38 | sandGorgon | RaymondX, https://wiki.debian.org/Systemd/Packaging seems like there is a way - I'm just concerned about gotchas and some important packages like mysql, etc. |
| 08:51.03 | RaymondX | what's the command for generating initrd and vmlinuz? |
| 08:51.44 | sklav | omid8bimo, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/57 |
| 08:51.57 | klaxa|work | hi, we're having some severe trouble with nfs. the nfs daemon hangs a lot, io wait is high, we can't really work on our clients. dmesg shows that the nfsd hangs for over 120 seconds numerous times, this is one of the stack traces shown in dmesg: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/968dab5b5724e407659a |
| 08:52.14 | omid8bimo | sklav: great. thanks |
| 08:52.14 | klaxa|work | this occurs with as little as one client writing data on a mounted nfs |
| 08:52.32 | hzy | why I got an errer " * #archlinux :Cannot send to channel" |
| 08:52.49 | hzy | who can help me?thanks! |
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| 08:53.41 | sklav | omid8bimo, you might want to read the whole article |
| 08:53.53 | omid8bimo | sklav: yeah for sure |
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| 08:54.01 | horsik | i have a headless machine, is it possible to switch off gpu? |
| 08:54.10 | sklav | as doing that will most likely break apt-get upgrades that require tmp script in temp |
| 08:54.41 | sklav | there is info on how to avoid it further into the document |
| 08:54.57 | RaymondX | what's the command for generating initrd and vmlinuz? |
| 08:55.33 | kdawg|afk | Back : [] Gone : [ 0secs ] Did Ya Miss ME ? |
| 08:56.51 | hzy | just a test,can anyone see it? |
| 08:57.04 | klaxa|work | we're running squeeze on the server with kernel: Linux intern 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Sep 23 22:14:43 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:57.22 | klaxa|work | hzy: please refer to #freenode if you are having irc related problems |
| 08:57.55 | hzy | I'm sorry ,thank you! |
| 08:58.00 | sklav | RaymondX, i used this last week. update-initramfs -c -k all |
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| 08:58.12 | sklav | just do not copy and paste blindly |
| 08:58.46 | RaymondX | sklav: that will generate both of them? |
| 08:59.43 | sklav | no |
| 09:00.08 | sklav | vmlinuz should be installed by kernel package |
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| 09:00.17 | sklav | initrd also |
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| 09:00.42 | sklav | but you can regenerate initrd using the command i gave you above |
| 09:01.13 | sklav | if you built a custom kernel than you might have to do a little more reading |
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| 09:02.32 | RaymondX | if i uninstall grub, do they go to /boot by default? |
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| 09:04.40 | sklav | RaymondX you planning on killing your machine? |
| 09:05.28 | RaymondX | no i'm planning to use the bootloader of another system. syslinux |
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| 09:10.43 | sklav | Yes kernel install to /boot |
| 09:10.58 | sklav | but also creates some symlinks in / |
| 09:12.19 | sklav | ok im out guys |
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| 09:12.34 | sklav | have a good night or morning ;) |
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| 09:28.56 | Alina-malina | does NTFS can be mounted to debian operating system? or FAT32 only? |
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| 09:30.15 | omid8bimo | Alina-malina: yes, ntfs is supported |
| 09:30.16 | bezaban | Alina-malina: ntfs can be mounted |
| 09:30.27 | sianios | hello everyone, i believe i have a problem, for some days now or more when i do apt-get update i don't get any updates, I run debian testing, any help? |
| 09:30.31 | Alina-malina | ok thank you, i thought ntfs only for windows |
| 09:30.40 | bezaban | sianios: what happens instead? |
| 09:30.45 | bezaban | Alina-malina: so is fat32 |
| 09:30.53 | omid8bimo | Alina-malina: https://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
| 09:31.14 | Alina-malina | thank you |
| 09:31.20 | bezaban | well. kinda become a de-facto fs standard (use grain of salt) in retrospect |
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| 09:31.55 | sianios | bezaban, when i do apt-get update it scans the repositories and says that there are not any updates |
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| 09:33.29 | bezaban | sianios: what does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
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| 09:33.47 | bezaban | (use an appropriate pasting site) |
| 09:34.10 | bezaban | does it say testing or wheezy? :) |
| 09:34.54 | bezaban | then again, I haven't had access to my machine running testing, so there might simply not have been updates to the repo over the past few days |
| 09:35.08 | bezaban | holidays and all |
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| 09:37.12 | sianios | bezaban, see here http://pastebin.com/WpHh7zmJ |
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| 09:39.51 | bezaban | sianios: did you recently change to testing? |
| 09:40.00 | bezaban | sources.list looks fine btw |
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| 09:40.59 | bezaban | you might need a dist-upgrade |
| 09:41.17 | bezaban | and other appropriate steps for changing releases |
| 09:41.34 | bezaban | lsb_release -a |
| 09:44.02 | sianios | bezaban, I was running wheezy for a month after its release then changed to testing, after lsb_release -a in codename it says sid, thats not normal :/ |
| 09:45.13 | bezaban | sounds like it might be a frankendebian then |
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| 09:45.49 | bezaban | but if sources.list said testing when wheezy hit stable it should only have taken you to jessie :/ |
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| 09:47.26 | bezaban | but.. you are doing more than update right? |
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| 09:47.41 | bezaban | cause that just synchronizes packages lists. it wont actually do anything until you upgrade |
| 09:47.54 | sianios | of corse I do and upgrade |
| 09:48.00 | sianios | not only update |
| 09:48.30 | bezaban | good, just asking cause it's not always easy to gauge someone from a few sentences on irc |
| 09:48.45 | bezaban | tried dist-upgrade? |
| 09:49.12 | bezaban | sounds like you might have missed something when moving from wheezy -> testing |
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| 09:50.25 | sianios | bezaban, yes i tried it |
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| 09:52.31 | bezaban | do you know there are updates to your installed packages in testing that you haven't got? |
| 09:53.18 | sianios | bezaban, yes there are, my brother gets them, I think i found the problem |
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| 09:54.58 | sianios | because mate environment is imported into testing but still not all of it i had to create a file to give priority to the mate repository, i removed the file and now i get the updates, thanks for your help |
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| 09:55.19 | ompaul | ,v mate |
| 09:55.20 | judd | No package named 'mate' was found in i386. |
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| 09:57.15 | sianios | judd, its in testing |
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| 10:03.14 | bezaban | sianios: oooh thanks |
| 10:03.31 | bezaban | sianios: always nice when people post the solution |
| 10:03.59 | bezaban | oooh. you have an external repo |
| 10:04.03 | bezaban | gah, missed that |
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| 10:04.53 | sianios | bezaban, yeah I totally forgot about the priority I gave to that repository anws |
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| 10:21.49 | sisyphu | hey guys, how can I delete some entities in arp tablet? arp -d x.x.x.x seem not work, should i modify /etc/ethers or /proc/net/arp ? |
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| 10:33.36 | jpw | sisyphu: do you get an error? |
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| 10:35.07 | sisyphu | jpw: Nothing output |
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| 10:37.12 | sisyphu | will too much useless arp entrys slow down the bandwidth? |
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| 10:37.58 | jpw | sisyphu: hmm i'm looking too. apparently I can't delete entrys either |
| 10:38.30 | jpw | let me fiddle. no having lots of arp entrys will not slow down the interface |
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| 10:39.30 | ChrisH | I need to remote update a squeeze box behind a slow dialup link. Is there a bot entry to run the upgrade with download-only option to get the files on the disk and do the update later in shorter time? |
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| 10:42.36 | sisyphu | jpw: i m also running arpon -d , but i think it doesn't matter, arp -f seem not work as the mannual said either |
| 10:42.41 | jpw | ChrisH: you mean like `apt-get --download-olny upgrade`? |
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| 10:43.12 | jpw | sisyphu: according to my man page the -f option doesn't exist |
| 10:43.57 | ChrisH | jpw: hmm, yes. simple approach |
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| 10:47.17 | idueppe | ups.. sorry |
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| 10:53.30 | jpw | sisyphu: im stumped |
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| 10:54.06 | jpw | sisyphu: it's going to take a bit longer to work out what's actually going on here. |
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| 10:58.56 | sisyphu | jpw: hope you will find the answer. |
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| 11:14.12 | hououina | How can I restart X without rebooting my system entirely? |
| 11:14.29 | kitai | ... /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 11:14.41 | ksk | hououina: its probably enough for you to logout |
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| 11:17.06 | luminous | hello! using multistrap to bootstrap new debian/ubuntu hosts, how would you add the ubuntu keyring packages to a debian host? |
| 11:18.01 | ksk | luminous: iirc there is a debian package |
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| 11:18.18 | ksk | luminous: "ubuntu-archive-keyring" |
| 11:18.32 | luminous | ah, cool. I had not been able to find it |
| 11:18.40 | luminous | which repo is that in ksk? |
| 11:18.53 | ksk | ,versions ubuntu-archive-keyring |
| 11:18.54 | judd | Package: ubuntu-archive-keyring on i386 -- jessie: 2012.05.19-1; sid: 2012.05.19-1 |
| 11:19.15 | ksk | so you would have to take it from sid or jessie, dunno why its not in wheezy |
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| 11:20.21 | luminous | indeed, ok.. thanks for confirming ksk |
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| 11:23.16 | ksk | yw |
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| 11:24.59 | luminous | another build question: using debootstrap to build ubuntu/debian systems, I've built minimal debian wheezy images.. how would you go about the next steps of adding back in some of what is in debian wheezy - or maybe a better question: how do I determine what is missing from the minimal? |
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| 11:26.36 | idueppe | are there any recommandation which algorithmen and key size one should use for cryptsetup? |
| 11:27.25 | _lex | hi guys, as I've been writing to #nm but got no answer, I will try here. I'm having some issues with Realtek gigabit interface, see all the conversation here: http://pastebin.com/ZPTQaND2 |
| 11:27.29 | _lex | any thoughts please? |
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| 11:29.39 | ksk | luminous: i dont really get the question. if i build an image i use --variant=minbase to get the smallest possible. then i chroot into it and install packages i want via apt |
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| 11:30.04 | ksk | idueppe: doesnt cryptsetup suggest something to choose? |
| 11:31.20 | idueppe | i guess the default is a 256 bit key |
| 11:32.09 | luminous | ksk: right, so I'm trying to come up with the list of packages to install, as you note in your example - I am automating this with build tools. I am not 100% sure the way to come up with the list of differences between minbase and release |
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| 11:33.15 | ksk | why use minbase if you want the default? |
| 11:33.22 | luminous | I don't want default |
| 11:33.26 | luminous | but there's somewhere between |
| 11:33.42 | luminous | I just found the appendix 3 which has some relevant details |
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| 11:34.37 | _lex | nobody? really? |
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| 11:35.33 | wols | luminous: why don't you install wheezy, don't choose anything with tasksel. now you have debian "minimal", no? |
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| 11:37.12 | ksk | wols: no. |
| 11:37.19 | ksk | :P |
| 11:37.26 | wols | ksk: why not? |
| 11:37.55 | luminous | wols: I'm exploring the options. so right now I can see how to build minimal system with debootstrap and then chroot to customize. I can also automate the whole install with packer to create vm images (on the other end of the spectrum). |
| 11:38.06 | petern_ | There's a still quite a bit of unnecessary stuff even then. |
| 11:38.15 | luminous | my question was not clear, but I have my answer regardless |
| 11:38.27 | luminous | petern_: with minbase? |
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| 11:39.23 | petern_ | luminous, no, with a standard base install with no tasksels chosen. |
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| 11:40.19 | petern_ | generally ends up removing things like telnet and busybox. |
| 11:40.36 | _lex | repeated: hi guys, as I've been writing to #nm but got no answer, I will try here. I'm having some issues with Realtek gigabit interface, see all the conversation here: http://pastebin.com/ZPTQaND2 |
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| 11:43.17 | petern_ | do you have firmware-realtek installed |
| 11:43.28 | _lex | yes |
| 11:43.29 | _lex | I do |
| 11:44.15 | _lex | driver loads ok: [ 5224.094211] r8168 Gigabit Ethernet driver 8.037.00-NAPI loaded |
| 11:44.31 | _lex | but the damn "link is not ready" is haunting me |
| 11:45.13 | _lex | maybe it the network card died, but I do not think so ... its new and there's no reason for it to break |
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| 11:47.16 | ChrisH | _lex: ifconfig -a does show the card? |
| 11:47.28 | _lex | yes |
| 11:47.30 | _lex | it does |
| 11:47.37 | _lex | has an interrupt assigned to it: # 40 |
| 11:47.44 | _lex | [base address 0x4000] |
| 11:47.47 | _lex | so kernel seems to read it |
| 11:47.49 | ChrisH | ethool shows data from the port? |
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| 11:48.00 | _lex | but there are no inteerrupts from cpu: 40: 0 0 0 0 PCI-MSI-edge eth0 |
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| 11:48.55 | _lex | ChrisH: it shows; but they are weird -> http://pastebin.com/YBgDKVfT |
| 11:49.03 | _lex | speed unknown and duplex half |
| 11:49.13 | _lex | though "link detected: no" |
| 11:49.20 | _lex | albeit the switch is fine, this I am sure of it |
| 11:49.26 | _lex | so the link beat should be there from the other side |
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| 11:50.18 | ChrisH | _lex: manged switch? If yes reset the link from there. Otherwise replug the cable. The card seems to be fine. All the unkowns should be related to the missing Link |
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| 11:50.40 | _lex | ChrisH: not a managed switch, I tried on two switches and with a DSL line same issue |
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| 11:51.02 | _lex | I tried also with several ethernet rj45 connectors cables |
| 11:52.25 | petern_ | A DSL line... That isn't ethernet... |
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| 11:53.00 | _lex | petern_: I tried with both a DSL line through ethernet (ppp) as well as ethernet (as I am connected to right now), I am of course via wireless in the internet through a router |
| 11:53.08 | _lex | and trying to debug this issue, but no hope |
| 11:53.22 | _lex | I really don't get a grasp why the Kernel sees it as not available yet |
| 11:53.46 | _lex | I tried also with hotplug in /etc/network/interfaces and failed |
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| 11:55.39 | ChrisH | _lex: replug the cable on both sides and afterwards pastebin dmesg output to paste.debian.net please. full dmesg |
| 11:56.22 | _lex | ChrisH: ok |
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| 11:58.09 | Kuba | anyone knows why debian live iso-hybrid doesn't work with UEFI? |
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| 11:59.35 | _lex | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/73986/ |
| 11:59.58 | ChrisH | Kuba: I am 90% sure I used the Debian Netinstaller iso with UEFI. How did you create the boot media and what kind of media do you use? |
| 12:01.12 | _lex | ChrisH: I don't think anything got logged when I tried this (I watched /var/log/messages) so pretty much what else is there are my recorded attempts |
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| 12:01.53 | ChrisH | dpkg tell _lex about r8168 |
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| 12:02.16 | ChrisH | _lex: please check that and make sure that you are using the correct module for your NIC |
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| 12:02.37 | _lex | I am pretty sure I do |
| 12:02.47 | _lex | r8169 was installed before when this issue had occured |
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| 12:03.31 | _lex | moreover I do not have r8168-dkms at all |
| 12:03.58 | wols | _lex: there is nothing to install. if you installed something then you did something wrong. the driver for your NIC is part of the mainline kernel |
| 12:04.02 | _lex | you can see I have the correct (last version) driver: 2090.132696] r8168 Gigabit Ethernet driver 8.037.00-NAPI loaded |
| 12:04.29 | wols | if you got a driver frm realtek.com then it is not the correct one |
| 12:04.31 | _lex | wols: of course, since I had it from default, but this problem occured with it, then i tried to install the latest driver from google codes and still happens |
| 12:04.46 | petern_ | My card is listed as a 8168, but the r8169 module is used for it |
| 12:04.47 | wols | then my guess is your NIC is broken |
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| 12:04.59 | _lex | mmm |
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| 12:05.03 | _lex | do cards broke over night? |
| 12:05.16 | wols | it's realtek. they break directly from the factory |
| 12:05.21 | _lex | ... |
| 12:05.35 | _lex | do cards break* |
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| 12:05.35 | _lex | oups |
| 12:05.44 | wols | realtek is commodity mass market hardware where cents count. it is not made for quality but volume |
| 12:05.55 | _lex | :-) hehe |
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| 12:06.58 | Kuba | ChrisH: netinstaller works on UEFI, but live CD doesn't |
| 12:07.05 | wols | _lex: use the install medium to check your NIC problem. there you use a standard linux driver for your NIC and you didn't botch the configuration to hell with all your meddling |
| 12:07.09 | Kuba | ChrisH: live CD doesn't have /efi folder even |
| 12:07.32 | Kuba | ChrisH: I did it either using dd, or manually copying files onto a bootable FAT partition |
| 12:07.43 | touki | Hi guys, I'm on debian Jessie. My HD is clicking. When I'm on Windows 8, it doesn't click that much. Is it possibly linked? |
| 12:07.43 | Kuba | ChrisH: none of the ways works |
| 12:07.47 | _lex | wols: I am pretty sure is not my fault.. maybe you're right that my NIC got broken, I will try to see how to test this... |
| 12:08.24 | wols | maybe use different live cds (different distros) |
| 12:08.26 | _lex | tried with a netgear switch and the port there doesn't power on |
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| 12:08.37 | _lex | so for sure there's no linkbeat coming from my side |
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| 12:08.55 | _lex | in the same time there are no interrupts made by cpu to the ethernet card |
| 12:08.57 | _lex | maybe the microcontroller? |
| 12:09.02 | wols | then it's hardware failure imho. |
| 12:09.07 | _lex | :-( |
| 12:09.11 | _lex | god damn it! |
| 12:09.15 | _lex | why now?! |
| 12:09.16 | _lex | :-\ |
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| 12:09.44 | jarkko | anyone has working bluray on linux? |
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| 12:10.45 | wols | jarkko: no one. it will never work |
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| 12:10.56 | _lex | anyways, thanks for the help :-) |
| 12:11.03 | _lex | ChrisH: wols |
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| 12:14.01 | guest43242 | I need flashplayer i386 |
| 12:14.11 | guest43242 | and amd64 |
| 12:14.14 | guest43242 | I need both |
| 12:14.34 | guest43242 | and I want to know the path to both |
| 12:14.39 | guest43242 | anyone know? |
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| 12:16.26 | touki | Hi guys, I'm on debian Jessie. My HD is clicking. When I'm on Windows 8, it doesn't click that much. Is it possibly linked? |
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| 12:17.38 | klaxa|work | <wols> jarkko: no one. it will never work |
| 12:17.43 | klaxa|work | i disagree |
| 12:17.47 | guest43242 | where are the i386 libs? |
| 12:20.03 | guest43242 | :/ |
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| 12:20.18 | klaxa|work | jarkko: http://klaxa1337.blogspot.de/2013/05/blurays-drm-and-other-unforgivable-sins.html |
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| 12:22.15 | graymalkin | http://www.techhive.com/article/156681/toshiba_sd.html |
| 12:22.20 | graymalkin | why did this never take off? :( |
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| 12:25.31 | jarkko | those vlc things need some things kubuntu doesnt have installed by default |
| 12:26.00 | jarkko | cannot compile without |
| 12:27.00 | klaxa|work | what do you mean? |
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| 12:27.24 | jarkko | go to vlc website you see a lot of bluray content |
| 12:27.41 | jarkko | which need to compile to get working, but kubuntu is missing some files needed for compile |
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| 12:28.01 | wols | jarkko: this is #debian and not #kubuntu. we cannot help you with kubuntu problems |
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| 12:28.25 | jarkko | well i assume they use pretty much the same base |
| 12:28.26 | wols | klaxa|work: and the only way to play a BD movie is to dump it, strip DRM and the play it |
| 12:28.31 | wols | !kubuntu |
| 12:28.31 | dpkg | i guess kubuntu is yet another Debian derivative. It is <Ubuntu> with KDE instead of GNOME. As such, it is not Debian and is not supported on #debian (see <based on debian caveats>). For kubuntu support, please join #kubuntu on chat.freenode.net. |
| 12:29.12 | corepb | yup, we hate it... |
| 12:29.26 | wols | jarkko: kubuntu changed debian in many many incompatible ways. we don't know enough about kubuntu to help you. please ask the relevant support channels |
| 12:29.44 | jarkko | i will |
| 12:30.07 | klaxa|work | wols: i didn't dump my disks to play them |
| 12:30.29 | klaxa|work | then again, that wasn't on debian... |
| 12:30.30 | jarkko | well i have played some bluray before |
| 12:30.32 | jarkko | with linux |
| 12:30.46 | jarkko | i know its possible |
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| 12:31.29 | klaxa|work | jarkko: feel free to query me if you want to discuss this with me |
| 12:31.30 | wols | klaxa|work: what happens in the background and what you think you did are different things. the DRM on bluray is also changing constantly. old BDs might work, new ones wont' |
| 12:31.43 | babilen | jarkko: It surely is, but this is the wrong channel as we only support pure Debian for a number of social and technical reasons. If you want Debian support then please use Debian and follow "/msg dpkg install debian" |
| 12:31.55 | klaxa|work | wols: i can see that, that makes sense |
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| 12:45.25 | Kuba | does debian-installer resize ntfs partitions? |
| 12:45.32 | Kuba | and is it safe? |
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| 12:47.20 | Kuba | safe = does it resize the filesystem before resizing the partition? |
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| 12:47.26 | wols | it is never safe. backups are always mandatory |
| 12:47.53 | Kuba | well, I have a backup |
| 12:48.02 | Kuba | but I don't want to waste my time recovering it |
| 12:48.30 | Kuba | my question is whether debian-installer resizes the fs and then partition or only the partition? |
| 12:48.42 | rozie | I'd use liveCD and parted for that |
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| 12:49.06 | rozie | gparted even |
| 12:49.08 | Kuba | liveCD doesn't work on UEFI systems |
| 12:49.26 | Kuba | but netinstaller has shell |
| 12:49.29 | Kuba | and parted |
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| 12:59.09 | wols | how do you try to start X? what are your xorg logs saying? |
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| 13:04.27 | ChrisH | jpw: worked well.. system upgraded to 7.3 |
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| 13:05.36 | neo1691 | Debian wheezy isn't booting up on kernel 3.4. The laptop starts and I can the boot messages, followed by the font and resolution adjustment, that's it. After that it's just a blank screen. I am able to login as root on recovery mode. I am using nvidia drivers |
| 13:06.52 | neo1691 | If I type startx in recovery the same thing happens |
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| 13:08.37 | wols | neo1691: why do you run kernel 3.4? is it self compiled? |
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| 13:08.56 | wols | and what does the Xorg log say when you run startx? |
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| 13:09.22 | neo1691 | wols: no no. It's just standard kernel that came with official debian |
| 13:09.38 | neo1691 | There is no log. Is it saved somewhere? |
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| 13:11.30 | wols | ,v kernels |
| 13:11.31 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in i386. |
| 13:11.35 | wols | ,kernels |
| 13:11.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-rc6-686-pae (3.13~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); jessie: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.10-1); wheezy-backports: 3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.11.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 13:12.04 | wols | neo1691: please paste the output of "uname -a" |
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| 13:12.33 | wols | and it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:15.57 | neo1691 | W |
| 13:16.13 | neo1691 | wols: anything? |
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| 13:18.12 | wols | neo1691: I asked you for information you didn't provide |
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| 13:18.34 | wols | please give us the output of "uname -a" and look into your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:19.57 | neo1691 | wols: I got disconnected. But I find the log in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:20.15 | neo1691 | It's is Xorg.1.log |
| 13:20.33 | wols | neo1691: what is the output of uname -a? |
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| 13:21.26 | neo1691 | Linux Dynamic 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 13:21.52 | neo1691 | Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 |
| 13:22.06 | neo1691 | Using irc on android wols |
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| 13:26.16 | macrobat | I'd like to shutdown/reboot from xfce4 and wheezy. it worked on squeeze. |
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| 13:26.21 | macrobat | https://wiki.debian.org/UserShutdown says: 'dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit" /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Manager org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager.Restart' |
| 13:26.36 | macrobat | but I can't do that as a user |
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| 13:26.58 | macrobat | Error org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager.NotPrivileged: Not Authorized |
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| 13:28.29 | macrobat | display manager is xdm. ~/.xsession is "exec ck-launch-session startxfce4" |
| 13:28.57 | macrobat | squeeze used polkit or something? |
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| 13:29.56 | DeepBlue | wols: i try starting X by typing startx ,here is /var/log/Xorg.2.log, http://pastebin.com/QNU2CkKA |
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| 13:32.00 | unixpenguin | I am trying to add wheezy-updates |
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| 13:33.58 | unixpenguin | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:34.09 | unixpenguin | 404 Not Found |
| 13:34.17 | unixpenguin | So why doesn't apt find it? |
| 13:34.30 | unixpenguin | Aren't there updates anymore for wheezy? |
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| 13:35.10 | Deeps | inconsistent naming, unfortunately |
| 13:35.11 | Deeps | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:35.16 | Deeps | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:35.25 | Deeps | / for security, - for general |
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| 13:35.37 | wols | DeepBlue: that paste is only part of it |
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| 13:36.38 | DeepBlue | do u need Xorg.0.log? |
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| 13:37.01 | DeepBlue | it's the whole thing |
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| 13:37.23 | DeepBlue | may be truncated by pastebin |
| 13:38.27 | macrobat | !paste |
| 13:38.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:41.18 | DeepBlue | wols , here is /var/logXorg.0.log |
| 13:41.25 | DeepBlue | http://pastebin.com/3CweH4JE |
| 13:41.58 | unixpenguin | Deeps: now it works |
| 13:42.02 | unixpenguin | just a slash then |
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| 13:46.50 | jubo2 | hiya |
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| 13:47.03 | jubo2 | I have this one Debian6 server where git is broken |
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| 13:47.11 | jubo2 | what could I do to fix it |
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| 13:47.42 | jubo2 | it'd be a nightmare to have to manually download and keep count of MediaWiki extensions instead of just using git |
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| 13:50.57 | jimcooncat | hello, where is eth0 please? I thought it would be under /dev/eth0 or /dev/net/eth0. I'm having a brain cramp. |
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| 13:51.29 | Penix | jimcooncat: it's not a file |
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| 13:51.51 | mrtnt_ | X11 in my machine is started with "-auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-FHVC1j/database" option. What utility do I need to use to allow X clients to connect to my X server? I'm trying to set up X11 forwarding over SSH. |
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| 13:52.51 | jimcooncat | Penix: thanks, I'm all set now. |
| 13:52.54 | somiaj | jimcooncat: /sbin/ifconfig -a (do you see it there) |
| 13:52.57 | Penix | mrtnt_: you want to run applications on a remote host via ssh and display them locally? |
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| 13:54.10 | mrtnt_ | Penix: yes |
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| 13:56.03 | Penix | mrtnt_: uncomment 'X11Forwarding yes' in your sshd config, restart it and use ssh -X |
| 13:56.13 | Penix | mrtnt_: there's loads of howto guides around |
| 13:56.31 | Penix | can be done on a per-user basis too, instead of system-wide config |
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| 13:58.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mrtnt_ about sshx |
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| 14:05.51 | mrtnt_ | Penix: that's exactly what I did. I added "X11Forwarding yes" to /etc/ssh/sshd_config, restarted SSH server with "/etc/init.d/ssh restart" and finally logged in to remote machine with "-X" option. While the "$DISPLAY" variable seems to be correct, applications do not start: http://perl.nopaste.dk/p71412 |
| 14:06.20 | mrtnt_ | Penix: X11 server in local machine is started like this: root 1113 0.1 4.3 101396 89992 tty7 Rs+ 2013 44:28 /usr/bin/X :0 -nr -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-FHVC1j/database -nolisten tcp vt7 |
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| 14:06.49 | Lady_Aleena | When I tried to install Net::Twitter::Lite with 'sudo cpan', I got the following: http://paste.debian.net/74004/ When I tried to install Net::Twitter::Lite::WithAPIv1_1, I got: http://paste.debian.net/74005/ Can anyone help me get these two modules installed. I am desperate. |
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| 14:08.32 | Lady_Aleena | Also neither of these modules are on my programs lists. |
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| 14:14.51 | macrobat | Lady_Aleena: (I really don't know anything about installing perl modules.) Are you running sudo cpan as root? |
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| 14:15.04 | Lady_Aleena | macrobat, no. |
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| 14:17.02 | macrobat | I thought it was odd to place things in /root/.cpan , but maybe that's the way it's done. |
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| 14:18.05 | obounaim | is it fine to mix between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 14:18.06 | obounaim | thanks |
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| 14:18.59 | Thraul | basically the same command |
| 14:19.14 | Thraul | i am stuck in the way of apt-get myself |
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| 14:21.16 | macrobat | !why not aptitude |
| 14:21.16 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 14:21.22 | macrobat | !why aptitude |
| 14:21.23 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 14:22.39 | Lady_Aleena | Also, how easy is it to uninstall programs? I may delve into text editors tomorrow or Sunday looking for one which does everything I want. I will install, test, (if fail), uninstall, install next text editor. |
| 14:23.08 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: man aptitude |
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| 14:23.58 | Thraul | Lady_Aleena: after you apt-get install <package> then test if not like then apt-get remove --purge <package> |
| 14:24.00 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: The package management system does a reasonable job of tracking why dependencies were installed and removing them if nothing remains that requires them. |
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| 14:24.16 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: It loses one once in a while, there are ways to clean that up. |
| 14:24.38 | Lady_Aleena | Like I would like to uninstall vim since I will probably never use it. |
| 14:24.51 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: I would recommend installing the next candidate before removing the prior one, this keeps you from re-installing the same libraries. |
| 14:25.05 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: Sorry, vim minimal is a system requirement. |
| 14:25.20 | Lady_Aleena | So, in can't uninstall the vim I installed? |
| 14:25.35 | eliasdiem | Lady_Aleena: Learn vim and you will enjoy it! |
| 14:25.36 | Lady_Aleena | s/in can't/I can't/; |
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| 14:26.16 | Lady_Aleena | eliasdiem, I want a GUI text editor with syntax highlighting, tabbed open, and a lot of other things. |
| 14:26.25 | Thraul | vim is my prefered and default console/terminal text editor (some time nano but thats rare). |
| 14:26.31 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: You probably installed one of the more featured versions. Yes, you can remove the extra features, but you will retain a minimal vim. |
| 14:26.31 | eliasdiem | Lady_Aleena: Gvim then. |
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| 14:26.41 | Thraul | Lady_Aleena: gedit will give you all of that |
| 14:26.58 | Lady_Aleena | brb...getting a refill. |
| 14:27.04 | jhutchins | emacs! |
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| 14:28.55 | pfote | emacs +1 |
| 14:28.57 | pfote | :-) |
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| 14:29.31 | Lady_Aleena | I tried to set up Kate's syntax highlighting, but it doesn't differentiate between variable types ($scalar, @array, %hash, *glob) for syntax highlighting. |
| 14:29.47 | pfote | perl coder? |
| 14:29.52 | Lady_Aleena | Yes. |
| 14:30.09 | Floris497 | i have a question after my program finished my terminal goes crazy not showing input and no newlines, what to do? |
| 14:30.14 | Lady_Aleena | I write perl to mark up my text. |
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| 14:30.34 | jhutchins | Floris497: reset |
| 14:30.38 | Floris497 | how? |
| 14:30.41 | jhutchins | Floris497: reset |
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| 14:30.52 | Floris497 | jhutchins: how do i reset? |
| 14:31.04 | jhutchins | Floris497: r-e-s-e-t<cr> |
| 14:31.24 | pfote | no idea how emacs sees this, havent coded in perl since decades |
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| 14:31.53 | Floris497 | jhutchins: oh thanks, but do you know how it starts? |
| 14:32.41 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: http://perl-begin.org/IDEs-and-tools/ |
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| 14:33.27 | jhutchins | Floris497: If you're asking what causes it, it's probable that your program had some binary output which the terminal interpreted as formatting commands. |
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| 14:34.28 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, those might work (except for maybe Padre), but I also edit HTML and CSS too. |
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| 14:35.17 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: Ok, here's a bigger selection: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=531175 |
| 14:35.23 | Floris497 | jhutchins: my program output is also taking a few extra tabs per line, how can that be? i open a serial port in my program |
| 14:35.53 | macrobat | policykit isn't used in wheezy, right? I think it was used in squeeze to let users shutdown. How do I easily shutdown wheezy? |
| 14:35.57 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, it seems Floris497 needs more attention. My text editor search can wait. |
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| 14:37.03 | Floris497 | macrobat: 'sudo halt' |
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| 14:38.08 | jhutchins | Floris497: Knowing nothing about your program, including what language its in makes it pretty hard for me to answer that, especially as I am not a programmer. |
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| 14:38.24 | gregc2 | Has anyone played with wy60 ncurses in squeeze? For some reason my delete mapping isnt right. Would like to know what it should be.... |
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| 14:38.59 | Floris497 | jhutchins: it is in c, and it uses the basic termios to connect to a serial port, and i'm on a raspberry pi |
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| 14:39.56 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: What you edit and develop in is entirely up to you. I used Quanta in KDE until they killed it, but I mostly use vi because no matter where I go it's there and it works the same way. |
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| 14:40.19 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: I do like some of the enhancements, but I stick to the enhanced console version (vim-nox). |
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| 14:41.03 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, I was using Notepad++ in Windows, so hopefully, I will find a Linux test editor which does everything it did. |
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| 14:41.12 | Lady_Aleena | s/test/text/; |
| 14:41.43 | pfote | Lady_Aleena: did you checkout sublime text? |
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| 14:42.07 | Lady_Aleena | pfote, I am going to be trying a lot of text editors. |
| 14:42.10 | macrobat | I'm upgrading a debian for people that aren't comfortable with using a shell. The shutdown/reboot buttons for xfce4 are greyed out. What is missing? |
| 14:42.38 | Thraul | is the user a member of the correct groups? |
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| 14:43.54 | Lady_Aleena | I will be trying every text editor on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_text_editors for which Debian 7 has a package. |
| 14:43.56 | macrobat | sudo, plugdev, powerdev, something else? |
| 14:44.33 | jhutchins | ,versions scite |
| 14:44.34 | judd | Package: scite on i386 -- squeeze: 2.03-1; wheezy: 3.0.2-3; jessie: 3.3.5-1; sid: 3.3.5-1 |
| 14:44.52 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: I see several recommendations for scite as a notepad++ replacement. |
| 14:46.40 | Thraul | macrobat: try this - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=46058 |
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| 14:48.58 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, I will give it a try when I go to test text editors. |
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| 14:51.36 | macrobat | Thraul: there is no xfsm-shutdown-helper in wheezy |
| 14:53.33 | Thraul | macrobat: is xfce4-power-manager installed? |
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| 14:55.22 | macrobat | xfce4-power-manager is just for hibernating and battery, right? |
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| 14:55.53 | Thraul | might have something to do with policy? found this - http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce/2012-December/031845.html |
| 14:56.21 | macrobat | it is installed, anyway |
| 14:56.34 | foxx | hello. whenever i use "fakechroot fakeroot" with deboostrap, the second stage always seems to apply the wrong prefix to symlinks.. i.e. ls -lah home/foxx/wtf/etc/nologin shows "wtf/etc/nologin -> /home/foxx/wtf/var/lib/initscripts/nologin", so its applying full absolute path to symlinks in second stage rather than "/". any ideas how to stop this behavior from happening? |
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| 14:57.13 | guest43242 | something got messed up with my graphics drivers |
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| 15:05.16 | Worf | Question about .desktop files: does it make sense to add a app to multiple Categories? I start to wonder, because some apps show up in 3-4 different places in the menu ... |
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| 15:06.25 | gregc2 | Has anyone played with wy60 ncurses in squeeze? For some reason my delete mapping isnt right. Would like to know what it should be.... |
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| 15:14.15 | ompaul | Worf: for instance, and which DE or WM, in which submenus are these dupes? |
| 15:14.35 | ompaul | Worf: btw think of them less as .desktop files and entries on menus. |
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| 15:17.02 | Worf | ompaul: in kde and math and science apps like R, octave, qtoctave, maxima ... |
| 15:17.11 | jhutchins | Worf: The standard is very loose, different desktops manage them differently. |
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| 15:18.02 | ompaul | Worf: and what sub menus do they reappear in? |
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| 15:19.57 | Thraul | nite all catch ya in the morning |
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| 15:20.04 | ompaul | Worf: it might be useful to file a bug that all R based applications should have a simple way of being allotted to similar menus, so R under Science, (both soft science and hard) but statistically it should also be under maths |
| 15:20.26 | Worf | ompaul: hang on, restarting the VM ( did edit around a bit ) |
| 15:20.47 | jubo2 | I am grabbing my /home/username/Documents and /etc |
| 15:20.56 | jubo2 | !tell jubo2 about upgrade |
| 15:21.09 | Worf | ompaul: R addionally comes up in Graphics ... |
| 15:21.22 | ompaul | Worf: but until you actually solve, or at least write a way to help define what menus they should / could appear on, so a tool to assist at a global and local level how menus might think of programs. |
| 15:21.55 | ompaul | Worf: well so the question is, are graphs images, they may be considered as such in some representations. |
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| 15:22.06 | ompaul | Worf: primary and secondary entries? |
| 15:22.33 | Worf | and ... octave and qtoctave comes up in education->science and education->math ... as well as in development ... |
| 15:22.39 | ompaul | Worf: this is something interesting enough to be a general question, but not specific to be a help matter, if you wish we could try to tease it out a little more in #debian-offtopic |
| 15:22.47 | Worf | :) |
| 15:22.57 | ompaul | Worf: and I'm well up for it :-) |
| 15:25.28 | Lady_Aleena | Asking again: When I tried to install Net::Twitter::Lite with 'sudo cpan', I got the following: http://paste.debian.net/74004/ When I tried to install Net::Twitter::Lite::WithAPIv1_1, I got: http://paste.debian.net/74005/ Can anyone help me get these two modules installed? I am still desperate. |
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| 15:26.42 | jubo2 | 'tar czvf file.tar.gz /etc' fails on /etc/alias, what's going on ? |
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| 15:27.16 | jubo2 | Is my filesystem corrupt or what's going on ? |
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| 15:28.16 | ChrisH | jubo2: check dmesg, if the filesystem is corrput you should see stuff in dmesg |
| 15:28.27 | gregc2 | Has anyone played with wy60 ncurses in squeeze? For some reason my delete mapping isnt right. Would like to know what it should be.... |
| 15:29.54 | jubo2 | /etc/aliases |
| 15:29.56 | jubo2 | tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors |
| 15:30.53 | jubo2 | I don't know what aliases is.. |
| 15:31.15 | ChrisH | jubo2: failure status due to previous errors <-- its not aliases causing the problem |
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| 15:31.55 | jubo2 | ChrisH: no messages in dmesg about disk corruption |
| 15:32.14 | jubo2 | I can install the LAMP again if it breaks and I have my /home/username/Document so I don't need to back /etc up or do I ? |
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| 15:32.40 | jubo2 | the LAMP will probably work better with Upgrade |
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| 15:33.26 | ChrisH | jubo2: I dont know what bulb you are refering to. but can you show us the full! output from your tar command please on paste.debian.net ? |
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| 15:38.27 | Lady_Aleena | If I can't get Debian 7's perl to install those two modules, I may have to crawl back to Windows where they will install. |
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| 15:40.24 | Quibus | hi |
| 15:41.27 | Quibus | on my wife's laptop, which has been running wheezy since day 1, there are suddenly popups appearing which say "Could not get updates", "Failed to process request." and details say "Operation aborted." |
| 15:41.40 | petern_ | Lady_Aleena, apt-get install libcrypt-ssleay-perl |
| 15:41.55 | Quibus | Does anyone have an idea what's going on? |
| 15:42.25 | jubo2 | !tell jubo2 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:42.35 | Quibus | It looks like bug #711500 |
| 15:42.49 | Quibus | but that bug seems to be stuck, as in: no one is having an idea what's going on |
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| 15:47.41 | Kuba | ChrisH: did you install that debian along UEFI GPT windows? |
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| 15:49.57 | tensorpudding | What's debian's support for USB touchpads like? |
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| 15:51.31 | jubo2 | The manual on upgrading recommends running from textual state |
| 15:51.47 | jubo2 | how do I get to shell ( out of runlevel 6 ) ? |
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| 15:52.46 | Mikaela | Usually CTRL + ALT + F<number>. 8 returns to GUI. |
| 15:53.05 | Lady_Aleena | petern_, Thank you! |
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| 15:54.08 | tensorpudding | Are there drivers in Linux for supporting multitouch gesture devices, and would they be in wheezy? |
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| 15:56.56 | jubo2 | So I quit now and hit ctrl + alt + F2 and then 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade' |
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| 16:07.30 | jubo2 | running the 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade' now |
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| 16:09.29 | jubo2 | now I'm in some sort of list with semi-colon and blinking cursor on the lowest line |
| 16:09.42 | jubo2 | I 'q' or what ? |
| 16:09.59 | wols | jubo2: show us the full output |
| 16:10.33 | jubo2 | it's on the other machine |
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| 16:10.45 | jubo2 | I 'q' |
| 16:11.03 | jubo2 | the upgrade continues |
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| 16:21.30 | evdo | -m connlimit --connlimit-above // this works on udp too ? |
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| 16:22.59 | gregc2 | Has anyone played with wy60 ncurses in squeeze? For some reason my delete mapping isnt right. Would like to know what it should be.... |
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| 16:39.31 | ChrisH | Kuba: if along means dual-boot, then: yes |
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| 16:40.45 | Kuba | ChrisH: do you use Windows Boot Manager? |
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| 16:44.28 | Kuba | ChrisH: and also, did you normally allow grub to install itself? |
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| 16:45.13 | Kuba | ChrisH: I'm currently installing in simmilar setup and I don't want to experiment too much and waste my time by recovering backup in few minutes so I'd really appreciate your input :) |
| 16:46.22 | jubo2 | now the process exited with 'E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error (1)' |
| 16:46.44 | jubo2 | Something problems with MySQL server 5.1 |
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| 16:47.59 | jubo2 | do I run the 'apt-get. upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade' ( the update phase finished successfully so no need to run that |
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| 16:50.51 | jubo2 | trying to run it again it says there is a gigaton of unmet dependencies and recommends running with -f |
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| 16:55.14 | jhutchins | jubo2: Run it with -f |
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| 16:55.28 | jubo2 | jhutchins: ok |
| 16:56.05 | jhutchins | Mikaela: TTYs are 1-6, 7 is usually the first GUI (there can be more than one). |
| 16:56.54 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: I haven't seen multitouch support in Linux yet, but I haven't really looked. |
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| 16:57.14 | Mikaela | Oh, thanks for correcting me :) |
| 16:57.25 | jubo2 | jhutchins: something in Finnish that translates like "E: Error. pkgProblemResolver:Resolve made breaks, the reason may be stopped packets E: Fixing dependencies failed |
| 16:57.35 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: Internal touchpads are extremely well supported (as in they just work), I would think external ones are pretty good. Most have standardized on synaptics protocols. |
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| 16:58.10 | jubo2 | Am I left with a crippled system ? |
| 16:58.12 | ChrisH | Kuba: currently I need to do something special to get the debian booted. Yes I allowed grub to install itself. I did it on my wifes Win8 laptop |
| 16:58.12 | tensorpudding | I think my current laptop touchpad is supported through synaptics. |
| 16:58.19 | jhutchins | jubo2: Try it with aptitude - aptitude -f install. It's better at resolving things. Does the system still have working network connectivity? |
| 16:58.36 | jubo2 | jhutchins: yes. network is working |
| 16:58.57 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: I used to work with a lot of touchscreens and I think we eventually got all of them working. |
| 16:59.11 | tensorpudding | The problem is, will a Logitech touchpad designed for Windows 8 at least be supported well enough in Linux to get two-finger scrolling and clicking. |
| 16:59.25 | jean_brat | Hi.. I am planning to switch from debian (Linux) to Debian freebsd, am i be able to install most of the common tools like vlc etc.. on this as well through apt-get? |
| 16:59.45 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: You can be pretty sure of one-finger. |
| 16:59.58 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: You can tell us if two works. |
| 16:59.59 | harrison | is it safe to install packages from a ubuntu apt repo to a deb unstable system? |
| 17:00.16 | jubo2 | jhutchins: aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg.so.4.12: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory." |
| 17:00.48 | Kuba | ChrisH: what is that "special" thing? |
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| 17:01.03 | tensorpudding | This setup just would not work well with a mouse, I really would like a touchpad instead. |
| 17:01.10 | Kuba | ChrisH: also, when grub installed it self did you loose Windows Boot Manager? |
| 17:01.25 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: Ok, multitouch does exist in linux: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/input/multi-touch-protocol.txt |
| 17:02.37 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/technology/touchpad-linux |
| 17:03.02 | ChrisH | Kuba: I need to press some key to boot grub and then I can select win or debian. I forgot what to press and did not try to make grub the standard. |
| 17:03.38 | tensorpudding | I was expecting I'd probably have to use testing, or something, to get a gnome reasonable recent enough to work with it. |
| 17:04.30 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 17:04.31 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-rc6-686-pae (3.13~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); jessie: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.10-1); wheezy-backports: 3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.11.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 17:04.57 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: Kernel support is in 3.8-9, but xorg has supported it for a while. |
| 17:05.00 | tensorpudding | You can get newer kernels which support gestures but it's not meaningful if you can't have those gestures do anything. |
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| 17:05.40 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxmulti-touc/ |
| 17:05.52 | tensorpudding | I can't find anything to suggest that gnome-shell meaningfully supports gestures. |
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| 17:06.27 | Kuba | ChrisH: so Windows Boot Manager recognized debian? |
| 17:07.03 | ChrisH | Kuba: the other way round. IIRC. I did it begining of december |
| 17:07.17 | tensorpudding | This thing says that it's only been reported to work on Macbooks... |
| 17:07.28 | Kuba | ChrisH: so how do you boot into win/deb now? |
| 17:07.57 | tensorpudding | Unity says that it works with the device I was looking at though. |
| 17:08.02 | tensorpudding | Can you get Unity in Debian? |
| 17:09.05 | jubo2 | jhutchins: 'aptitude -f install' also does not work ( error messge this time in English, see above ) |
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| 17:10.32 | jhutchins | jubo2: I saw that, the apt system appears broken. |
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| 17:10.48 | jhutchins | jubo2: Haven't come up with any answers yet. |
| 17:11.20 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: You could but it would be difficult and messy. |
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| 17:12.03 | tensorpudding | Debian tends to work best with hardware that is slightly obsolete, to match the slight obsolescence of the software... |
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| 17:12.09 | jhutchins | !fixgrub | ChrisH |
| 17:12.23 | jhutchins | .. so many bots, so many standards.... |
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| 17:12.45 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 17:12.46 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
| 17:14.03 | jhutchins | Kuba: The Windows bootloader supports chainloading and *theoretically* supports booting to Linux. I don't know of anybody who's bothered though, since all the linux bootloaders support Windows automatically. |
| 17:14.27 | tensorpudding | Does Linux have an open-source accelerated driver for AMD graphics nowadays? |
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| 17:16.49 | jubo2 | currently wishes he'd never undertaken upgrading the Debian6 to Debian7 with all 6's retro semi-brokehness |
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| 17:17.26 | ChrisH | jubo2: I did such an upgrade today, remote, smoothless. |
| 17:17.35 | jhutchins | !amd |
| 17:17.36 | dpkg | Advanced Micro Devices is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of ATI/AMD graphics hardware, ask me about <ati>. See also <amd64>, <coolnquiet>, <k7>. |
| 17:17.40 | jubo2 | *smoothness |
| 17:17.50 | Kuba | ChrisH, jhutchins: wow, I'm really *IMPRESSED*, debian did install itself and grub discovered Windows; Windows Bootloader did not recognise Debian though |
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| 17:18.01 | jhutchins | jubo2: I can't tell you what went wrong, but did you do a full upgrade of 6 before you started? |
| 17:18.13 | ChrisH | jubo2: but i need to leave now |
| 17:18.18 | jubo2 | jhutchins: yes |
| 17:18.20 | jhutchins | Kuba: Yeah, you really have to twist it's arm. |
| 17:18.28 | jubo2 | jhutchins: that finished successfully |
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| 17:18.50 | tensorpudding | Ah, this graphics is proprietary-only. |
| 17:19.04 | Kuba | jhutchins: the only things that doesn't work is the secure boot; does debian support this? should I report the bug? like ubuntu users report bug to the shim package? |
| 17:19.07 | tensorpudding | Being open-source is expensive. |
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| 17:20.52 | jhutchins | Kuba: No, secure boot was designed to prevent people from running linux. |
| 17:21.25 | jhutchins | Kuba: You want to make sure you disable fast boot in the BIOS as well, especially if you plan to access the NTFS from Linux. |
| 17:22.09 | Kuba | jhutchins: I'm currently runing on fast boot and it did boot but am having problem with X and GUI - it dit not load? due to the fast boot? |
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| 17:24.34 | Kuba | pff 16.079530] [drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: No valid VBIOS image found |
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| 17:29.51 | jhutchins | Kuba: The problem causd by fast boot is corruption of the Windows filesystem. |
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| 17:30.32 | Kuba | jhutchins: ah, I don't need NTFS access other than read-only |
| 17:30.54 | Kuba | jhutchins: so I'm fine with fastboot |
| 17:31.33 | jhutchins | Kuba: It is strongly recommended that you disable it anyway. You have been warned. Make backups. |
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| 17:32.39 | Kuba | jhutchins: okay |
| 17:32.49 | Kuba | jhutchins: I'm rather worried with the NVIDIA problem ;> |
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| 17:33.49 | jubo2 | jhutchins: what do I do next ? I've currently a system of which I don't know will it boot |
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| 17:35.26 | jhutchins | jubo2: I think it'll probably boot ok, but won't manage packages any more. |
| 17:35.34 | jhutchins | jubo2: Try dumping the error message into google. |
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| 17:37.13 | jubo2 | jhutchins: what do you suggest I do ? |
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| 17:38.02 | jubo2 | right now it's looking like I need to wipe and clean install the Debian7 |
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| 17:41.55 | jubo2 | This is nasty... |
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| 17:42.18 | jubo2 | The upgrade process seems to have removed mysqld .. |
| 17:42.22 | Lady_Aleena | I lost ctrl+f for find, it brings up xterm instead. I can't find why it is doing it. |
| 17:43.20 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: sounds like you have some application that you configured a keybinding. What wm/de do you use, and look into its keybindings, or any application you have installed that could be giving you keybindings |
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| 17:44.33 | Lady_Aleena | I'm using KDE, and I've searched all the Keyboard shortcuts, and even KDE shows ctrl+f should be Search. |
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| 17:46.01 | jubo2 | jhutchins: no graphical log in |
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| 17:46.09 | jubo2 | jhutchins: is there way to help this ? |
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| 17:46.25 | jhutchins | jubo2: Log in on a console. |
| 17:46.39 | jhutchins | jubo2: Oh, you mean you don't have access to a browser? |
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| 17:47.07 | jubo2 | jhutchins: X doesn't boot, KDE is nowhere around |
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| 17:47.36 | jubo2 | I hit 'startx' |
| 17:47.40 | Lady_Aleena | Maybe if I uninstall the program, I will get ctrl+f back as find? |
| 17:48.04 | jubo2 | now I'm seeing something that says "Welcome to the Debian KDE Settings Migration Wizard" |
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| 17:50.17 | jubo2 | jhutchins: 'k thanks for your help |
| 17:50.35 | jubo2 | I've now a system with no graphical UI but it does boot |
| 17:51.04 | jubo2 | I think I install from scratch some day now.. |
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| 17:53.10 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a program which came with Debian which could tell me what assigned ctrl+f to Xterm? |
| 17:53.34 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: did you change the wm? |
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| 17:54.19 | Lady_Aleena | googles wm. |
| 17:54.31 | nkuttler | ok, probably not then. window manager |
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| 17:55.02 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: btw, try /msg dpkg foo first, usually the bot knows what we're talking about |
| 17:55.08 | nkuttler | !wm |
| 17:55.08 | dpkg | A window manager is a special application class which decorates and manages windows for the X server. To list available window managers in your system, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. To set your system-wide default window manager, use «update-alternatives --config x-window-manager». For a guide to available window managers, see http://xwinman.org/ |
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| 17:55.34 | gregc2 | Has anyone played with wy60 ncurses in squeeze or ubuntu? For some reason my delete mapping isnt right. Would like to know what it should be.... as its not sending the right codes.... and it appears I cannot map the codes correctly either. None of my manual mappings work |
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| 17:58.14 | Lady_Aleena | Um, accidentally switched to speaking of myself in the third person. |
| 17:59.07 | fico-ke | hi guys, I am running debian wheezy and I dont know, where to download these applications: expect, send, spawn. Can someone help me? I only can download expect command |
| 18:00.14 | jelly-home | fico-ke: use apt-file, or http://packages.debian.org to search for specific commands |
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| 18:01.14 | jubo2 | I seem to have no network.. |
| 18:01.35 | jubo2 | and all my USB sticks be where-ever they be |
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| 18:01.55 | fico-ke | jelly-home: thanks, but I dont know, what package I have to download |
| 18:02.04 | glenrock | are updates dumped to testing on a specific scheduled basis? |
| 18:02.12 | glenrock | for example, once per week? |
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| 18:03.03 | fico-ke | jelly-home: if I just write "send" to the packages.debian.org page, I get too many packages with that word, but I dont know, which one is correct |
| 18:03.32 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: it is either your wm/de (kde in your case) that has a key binding set or you installed some other keybinding program. |
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| 18:04.59 | Arrowmaster | fico-ke: i dont see anything with a file named just send that looks right, what is it supposed to be |
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| 18:05.44 | nkuttler | fico-ke: what are those apps supposed to do? |
| 18:05.51 | fico-ke | Arrowmaster: I am looking for commands, like you can see on this page: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/expect-examples/ |
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| 18:06.22 | peterrooney | glenrock: as I understand it, updates to testing are frequent and when available. Any debian developer/maintainer can update at will. |
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| 18:06.26 | fico-ke | nkuttler: I want to run one script without entering sudo password |
| 18:06.46 | glenrock | thanks peterrooney |
| 18:06.59 | nkuttler | fico-ke: you can do that by configuring sudo properly, see man 5 sudoers |
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| 18:07.02 | metaphysician | fico-ke: send and spawn are part of the expect scripting language. They are not shell commands. |
| 18:07.11 | nkuttler | ah |
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| 18:07.58 | fico-ke | metaphysician: well, then I only neeed to download expect package ? |
| 18:07.59 | Lady_Aleena | I think I found it, but have to reboot to check since I can't remember how to restart the program which nabbed it in the first place. |
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| 18:08.54 | fico-ke | nkuttler: I tried to add NOPASSWD to visudo, but it still requires a password from me |
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| 18:09.32 | Arrowmaster | then you didnt do it right |
| 18:09.35 | nkuttler | fico-ke: well, you probably did something wrong. |
| 18:09.38 | nkuttler | !tell fico-ke about paste |
| 18:09.43 | nkuttler | fico-ke: show what you did |
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| 18:10.11 | fico-ke | nkuttler: OK, wait a moment please |
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| 18:12.30 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, thanks! |
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| 18:14.17 | fico-ke | nkuttler: http://ideone.com/I4MeXy |
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| 18:14.40 | fico-ke | nkuttler: haltPC.sh has only one line: sudo halt |
| 18:15.05 | Arrowmaster | thats not how it works |
| 18:15.46 | boblee | how can I purge myself of python2.7.5 in wheezy? |
| 18:16.00 | Arrowmaster | fico-ke: make it fico ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: halt |
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| 18:16.05 | boblee | update-alternatives comes up with nothin |
| 18:16.18 | somiaj | boblee: why do you want to do that, you would also purge yoruself of any programs you have installed which use python scripts. |
| 18:16.22 | fico-ke | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 18:16.32 | fico-ke | Arrowmaster: thats true, I am really dumb |
| 18:16.35 | fico-ke | :D |
| 18:16.44 | boblee | somiaj: don't care I want to put wheezy version of pythin back which is 2.7.3 |
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| 18:16.55 | fico-ke | Arrowmaster, nkuttler : thanks a lot guys |
| 18:16.56 | somiaj | boblee: how did you install 2.7.5 then? |
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| 18:17.13 | boblee | wishes she remembered |
| 18:17.33 | nkuttler | ,v python |
| 18:17.35 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.5-5; sid: 2.7.5-5 |
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| 18:17.51 | nkuttler | looks like testing |
| 18:18.01 | somiaj | if you installed it from jessie or sid, you may have more issues than just that python package. |
| 18:18.13 | fico-ke | Arrowmaster: yet one question. If I call: system( "halt" ); from a C program as a normal user, will it work too ? |
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| 18:18.18 | boblee | i already did apt-get remove python |
| 18:18.25 | boblee | still exists |
| 18:18.40 | nkuttler | boblee: dpkg -S `which python` |
| 18:18.46 | somiaj | well python is just a meta package, again you most likely don't want to remove python from your system |
| 18:19.01 | somiaj | boblee: can you look at your sources.list, do you have both wheezy and jessie (or even sid) sources in it? |
| 18:19.09 | boblee | just wheezy |
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| 18:19.33 | nkuttler | boblee: apt-cache policy python libc6 |
| 18:19.42 | boblee | dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/local/bin/python |
| 18:19.48 | nkuttler | heh.. |
| 18:19.59 | nkuttler | boblee: so you built python yourself? can you remember that? |
| 18:20.14 | jubo2 | This is a bummer.. |
| 18:20.20 | somiaj | oh so you installed it from source, you may want to use the source to see if there is a remove script in the make file, if not you will have to manually go though and rmove it |
| 18:20.20 | boblee | vaguely :p |
| 18:20.31 | jubo2 | I had somewhat functioning Linux and now I've one with no GUI |
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| 18:20.40 | nkuttler | boblee: yeah, see if there's a make uninstall or somesuch |
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| 18:20.54 | boblee | goes to download source |
| 18:20.55 | nkuttler | jubo2: that's still pretty functional |
| 18:21.09 | nkuttler | jubo2: didn't you say earlier that you could run startx? |
| 18:21.10 | jubo2 | no wlan |
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| 18:21.30 | boblee | :O finds it |
| 18:21.33 | jubo2 | nkuttler: yes once.. now if I run it it says.. hold on, I see what it sez |
| 18:22.07 | boblee | f*** |
| 18:22.08 | boblee | make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop. |
| 18:22.24 | jubo2 | kstartupconfig4 does not exist or fails. The error code is 127. Chech your installation. |
| 18:22.42 | nkuttler | jubo2: that's on wheezy? |
| 18:22.45 | fico-ke | bye |
| 18:23.15 | jubo2 | nkuttler: I don't know.. I think this is somewhere half-way from Squeeze and half-way to Wheezy |
| 18:23.22 | nkuttler | oh well then.. |
| 18:23.27 | nkuttler | jubo2: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 18:23.30 | nkuttler | jubo2: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 18:23.40 | nkuttler | jubo2: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:23.46 | somiaj | boblee: you can look at the make file install script and see where it put files, most likely they are all in /usr/local somewhere. |
| 18:23.49 | nkuttler | jubo2: 1. finish upgrade 2. see what happens |
| 18:24.09 | boblee | goes to check |
| 18:24.20 | nkuttler | jubo2: if you get an error upgrading packages *that* is your real question |
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| 18:26.47 | jubo2 | nkuttler: cannot finish upgrade... says "E: fixing the dependencies didn't work" or something similar in Finnish |
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| 18:26.59 | nkuttler | !tell about localized errors |
| 18:27.03 | nkuttler | meh |
| 18:27.32 | jubo2 | what crazyness is this to translate messages that would be much more helpful if always in English |
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| 18:27.46 | nkuttler | jubo2: try LANG=C command |
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| 18:28.22 | nkuttler | jubo2: and paste command + output in the pastebin |
| 18:28.29 | jubo2 | nkuttler: that changed the message to English |
| 18:28.34 | jubo2 | nkuttler: no X |
| 18:28.44 | nkuttler | !tell jubo2 about pastebinit |
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| 18:31.01 | jubo2 | nkuttler: 'aptitude install pastebinit' leads to 'aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg.so.4.12: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory' |
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| 18:31.30 | nkuttler | jubo2: apt-get install libapt-pkg4.12 ? |
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| 18:32.49 | jubo2 | nkuttler: doesn't work |
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| 18:33.08 | nkuttler | jubo2: well, you'll have to show us the output of those commands if you want us to help you |
| 18:33.16 | nkuttler | jubo2: don't you have another box on the network you can copy logs to? |
| 18:33.38 | jubo2 | nkuttler: network is not up |
| 18:34.04 | nkuttler | usb stick? |
| 18:34.18 | jubo2 | I have one.. |
| 18:34.40 | nkuttler | jubo2: ok, /etc/apt/sources.list, output of your dist-upgrade run, apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 18:34.51 | boblee | interesting, after removing everything now doing a apt-get install python |
| 18:34.54 | boblee | shows now errors |
| 18:35.00 | boblee | however no python to be had? |
| 18:35.04 | nkuttler | boblee: that's how it's supposed to be |
| 18:35.15 | nkuttler | boblee: /usr/bin/python ? |
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| 18:35.49 | nkuttler | boblee: or hash -r |
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| 18:36.09 | boblee | interesting. it's there |
| 18:36.20 | boblee | check export |
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| 18:37.20 | nkuttler | jubo2: btw... how do you perform system upgrades if you have no networking?! |
| 18:37.39 | jubo2 | I had a wlan |
| 18:37.45 | jubo2 | I thought that was enough |
| 18:37.51 | nkuttler | wlan sucks |
| 18:37.53 | jubo2 | maybe a little stupidly thought.. |
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| 18:38.25 | nkuttler | anyway, just work on those logs :) |
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| 18:39.52 | hassen | given that there are 6 tty's where ttyi comes with pressing ctrl+alt+Fi |
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| 18:40.07 | hassen | does every tty do a specific thing? |
| 18:40.18 | hassen | otherwise what's the point of having 6 tty's? |
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| 18:41.22 | jelly-home | hassen: you're able to log in 6 different users or 6 times the same user, and do different things if need be |
| 18:42.14 | nkuttler | hassen: see also man 5 inittab |
| 18:42.55 | hassen | jelly-home: liking needing to do multiples tasks when using the console |
| 18:43.04 | hassen | like* |
| 18:43.10 | jelly-home | hassen: sorry? |
| 18:43.29 | hassen | jelly-home: what is unclear? |
| 18:43.39 | jelly-home | hassen: I can't parse that line at all. |
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| 18:43.57 | hassen | ummm...never mind. |
| 18:44.01 | jelly-home | was that a statement? subject, predicate, object? |
| 18:44.14 | hassen | jelly-home: you guess what it was. |
| 18:44.32 | jelly-home | English is not my first language, I prefer not to guess in a tech support channel |
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| 18:47.48 | luminous | hello! if using debootstrap to create a new system, could you then somehow use a preseed.cfg as with an unattended install, to control what happens to that base install? |
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| 18:51.18 | osfd_ | is there any chance will get a gcc C++11 compliant in wheezy ? |
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| 18:53.16 | abrotman | osfd_: not likely at all, it would appear in wheezy-backports if it did |
| 18:53.34 | osfd_ | abrotman: :/ |
| 18:53.36 | luminous | in other words, can you use a preseed.cfg outside the context of using the netinstaller or some other livecd? |
| 18:54.01 | luminous | osfd_: you can always install it yourself |
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| 18:54.17 | osfd_ | because I'll take a mooc in february and it is a "requirement" |
| 18:54.36 | luminous | osfd_: run a VM? |
| 18:54.42 | jubo2 | nkuttler: how do I eject /media/sub0 ? |
| 18:54.47 | jubo2 | *usb0 |
| 18:55.00 | luminous | jubo2: do you have an 'eject' command? |
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| 18:55.12 | jubo2 | luminous: yes |
| 18:55.15 | osfd_ | I could do that |
| 18:55.22 | jubo2 | 'eject /media/usb0' ? |
| 18:55.44 | sjamaan | Hi. I'm wondering what could be setting less(1) output to chopping (scrolling) rather than folding of long lines |
| 18:56.03 | sjamaan | The manual states that folding is the default behaviour, but that's not what I'm seeing |
| 18:56.12 | luminous | jubo2: man eject |
| 18:56.24 | luminous | I am not familiar with it, but that'll tell you what to do |
| 18:56.45 | abrotman | osfd_: put itin a chroot, much easier to maintain IMO |
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| 18:58.36 | MO_Handes | how can I install node.js on debian 6? |
| 18:58.48 | osfd_ | abrotman: ok, my wife tells me to come right away, I'll come back later |
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| 18:59.32 | nkuttler | !nodejs |
| 18:59.32 | dpkg | Node.js is an event-based server-side <JavaScript> engine packaged for Debian as 'nodejs'; Debian 7 "Wheezy" users can find this in <wheezy-backports>. Further help can be found in #node.js on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:00.49 | jubo2 | nkuttler: I give up for today.. the USB stick looks different in Linux and in Windows ( the same dirs and files are not shown ) |
| 19:00.58 | nkuttler | jubo2: :\ |
| 19:01.11 | jubo2 | I guess this means my system is way weird |
| 19:01.13 | nkuttler | jubo2: anyway, can't you just connect a cable? |
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| 19:01.38 | nkuttler | jubo2: or look for the *first* error in your dist-upgrade run and type that out |
| 19:01.47 | tremon | jubo2: windows can only access the first partition of removable drives |
| 19:02.12 | nkuttler | (or format the drive from windows as fat i guess) |
| 19:02.39 | abrotman | osfd_: uh, okay :) |
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| 19:03.05 | jhutchins | Some USB drives install a driver on windows that creates a virtual filesystem. |
| 19:03.12 | nkuttler | ew |
| 19:04.24 | jhutchins | You'll often see those as multiple devices from Linux, and the windows drive won't be accessible. |
| 19:04.31 | jubo2 | "The following packages have unmet dependencies" |
| 19:04.44 | jubo2 | then a few pages of unsatisfied dependencies |
| 19:05.34 | jubo2 | ok.. I have hardline networking now |
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| 19:05.44 | jhutchins | jubo2: That means the manager can't see the dependencies in the data files from the "update" command, so you might have messed up your sources.list |
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| 19:06.39 | jubo2 | jhutchins: 'deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org wheezy main contrib non-free' |
| 19:07.09 | jhutchins | jubo2: Run the update command. |
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| 19:07.33 | jubo2 | jhutchins: all ok |
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| 19:11.45 | nkuttler | jubo2: and your dist-upgrade? |
| 19:11.54 | boudiccas | using this line 'echo 'Home' - `(du -hs '/home/boudiccas/.local/share/Trash')`' how do i stop it showing the pathway of the trash please? |
| 19:12.28 | nkuttler | boudiccas: if du can't do that, sed? |
| 19:13.05 | boudiccas | nkuttler; du does it okay, but it just show the pathway which i dont want |
| 19:13.36 | tremon | boudiccas: `cd ~/.local/share ; du -sh Trash` |
| 19:13.44 | nkuttler | or that ;) |
| 19:15.12 | boudiccas | thats getting it except it shows Trash at the end, but I dont want anything of that |
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| 19:15.57 | tremon | use sed, awk or cut then |
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| 19:21.02 | Kuba | so what is the status of uefi secure boot in debian? |
| 19:21.51 | tiredofthis | Hellllo... I have a problem with installing Debian 7.3.0 x64 in VirtualBox 4.3.6. While trying to install GRUB or LILO, error pops up. How to troubleshoot this issue? |
| 19:22.15 | Kuba | tiredofthis: start with googling for exact error code message |
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| 19:22.39 | Kuba | tiredofthis: also, we will not be able to help you if you do not provide more details |
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| 19:23.13 | tiredofthis | Hehehehe. I don't think "Executing 'grub-install' /dev/sda failed" is an exact error message. |
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| 19:23.43 | tiredofthis | And under this: "This is a fatal error." |
| 19:23.59 | Kuba | tiredofthis: installer is capable of saving install logs that should provide more info |
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| 19:25.10 | Kuba | tiredofthis: also, as per http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s01.html.en: " Error messages and logs are redirected to the fourth console. You can access this console by pressing Left Alt+F4 (hold the left Alt key while pressing the F4 function key); get back to the main installer process with Left Alt+F1. " |
| 19:26.07 | tiredofthis | It shows an error: "No such disk" |
| 19:26.32 | Kuba | are you *sure* this is entire error? |
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| 19:27.18 | tiredofthis | http://oi41.tinypic.com/e0n9mc.jpg |
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| 19:30.06 | Kuba | tiredofthis: what is the version you're trying to install? |
| 19:30.34 | tiredofthis | I am installing it from file: debian-7.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 19:31.03 | Kuba | tiredofthis: did you choose manual partitioning? |
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| 19:31.28 | tiredofthis | I did. |
| 19:31.32 | silent_tr | Hello all :) |
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| 19:31.44 | tiredofthis | Hello, silent_tr |
| 19:32.09 | silent_tr | anyone know of any good file retrieval programs, my D:/ has told me i have to format it on windows partition and here its not even listing it. |
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| 19:32.31 | silent_tr | Won't need everything off it, just want to see if i can retrieve my Uni work |
| 19:32.50 | tiredofthis | I selected an encrypted volume. |
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| 19:33.36 | tiredofthis | And included root in that encrypted volume... I guess that's the problem. |
| 19:33.57 | Kuba | tiredofthis: /boot has to be unencrypted |
| 19:34.11 | sjamaan | Hi. I'm wondering what could be causing less(1) to chop (scroll) rather than folding of long lines in its output? |
| 19:34.15 | sjamaan | The manual states that folding is the default behaviour, but that's not what I'm seeing |
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| 19:34.17 | tiredofthis | That makes sense. How to decipher it? |
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| 19:35.00 | Kuba | tiredofthis: it'd be easier (if not only possible way) to start over |
| 19:35.25 | tiredofthis | Thanks, Kuba. |
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| 19:35.53 | Kuba | tiredofthis: just make sure to have a partition for /boot |
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| 19:36.00 | Kuba | and then another partition for encrypted volume |
| 19:36.10 | Kuba | and inside it you could have LVM |
| 19:36.16 | Kuba | or any other partitions |
| 19:36.51 | boudiccas | this is the answer to my trash sizes question - http://paste.debian.net/74075/ |
| 19:36.55 | jhutchins | sjamaan: What release? What desktop? Xterm or console? Try it as a different user? |
| 19:37.02 | luminous | hello! how could I use dpkg-reconfigure tzdata in a non-interactive script if I know what I want the setting to be? |
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| 19:37.59 | jhutchins | luminous: What are you trying to do? |
| 19:38.14 | sjamaan | jhutchins: Wheezy, under plain xterm in zsh (but also over ssh on an old Debian (5.0.6, not sure what its codename is) |
| 19:38.32 | peterrooney | silent_tr: mount read-only, and look into the scalpel package (a file carving utility) |
| 19:38.40 | sjamaan | On the other box it's from a more standard bash shell |
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| 19:39.17 | silent_tr | peterrooney: thankyou, will look into that package, is it easy to mount as read-only, is this done via terminal? |
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| 19:39.41 | luminous | jhutchins: I've got a script to update a super minimal system (created with debootstrap), so I'd like to update the tzdata to be correct. I don't care how I do that as long as it is not interactive. some docs I have point at dpkg-reconfigure, but it's interactive |
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| 19:40.13 | peterrooney | silent_tr: i just re-read your question. If you cannot mount it, you may have to carve the raw device (eg, external USB -> /dev/sdd) |
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| 19:40.39 | jhutchins | sjamaan: What character set? |
| 19:40.49 | sjamaan | UTF-8. Does that matter? |
| 19:40.53 | silent_tr | d:/ is an internal 2tb drive which i used as storage, will that be a problem? |
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| 19:41.16 | sjamaan | jhutchins: Actually, UTF-8 on one box and "en_CA" on another, whatever that means |
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| 19:41.26 | jhutchins | silent_tr: There is a program called photorec that might help. |
| 19:41.33 | jhutchins | sjamaan: Hm. |
| 19:41.43 | jhutchins | sjamaan: Does the man page say how to toggle this behavior? |
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| 19:41.47 | sjamaan | yeah, with -S |
| 19:41.57 | jhutchins | sjamaan: No effect? |
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| 19:42.00 | jhutchins | !undelete |
| 19:42.00 | dpkg | Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the filesystem, and select "Undelete files" from menu. For ext3fs, ask me about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. See also <photorec>, <fatback>. |
| 19:42.15 | peterrooney | silent_tr: you might want to do some dry runs, in case scalpel or photorec (thank you jhutchins for reminding me!) finds everything. |
| 19:42.27 | sjamaan | It works, but I am used to the default behaviour from BSD, which the manual page on Debian also states is the default behaviour |
| 19:42.43 | sjamaan | Of course I could alias ls or some such, but I was wondering why the defaults aren't doing the right thing |
| 19:42.55 | sjamaan | I mean alias *less* |
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| 19:42.59 | jhutchins | sjamaan: Well, it's always worked as expected for me. |
| 19:42.59 | kaste | how is the debian default kenrel config chosen? |
| 19:42.59 | silent_tr | jhutchins: thankyou :) |
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| 19:43.23 | silent_tr | peterrooney: Shall i try your method first then and then try photorec? |
| 19:43.34 | sjamaan | jhutchins: You mean it's folding lines on your machine? |
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| 19:43.38 | jhutchins | kaste: I believe the process is called "rough concensus". |
| 19:43.57 | jhutchins | sjamaan: Yeah, usually. Sometimes a weird file format will mess it up. |
| 19:44.15 | sjamaan | Interesting |
| 19:44.26 | sjamaan | Thanks for checking |
| 19:44.34 | sjamaan | I'll have to investigate some more then |
| 19:44.36 | kaste | jhutchins: I was thinking you mainly build everything that doesn't pose a problem, for conflicts choose the more common hardware and build everything as a module if possible? |
| 19:44.39 | kaste | is that roughly it? |
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| 19:45.10 | caraconan | Hi there. How difficult is to install a Debian (jessie if possible) on a Mac Pro? Thanks |
| 19:45.55 | sjamaan | caraconan: I'm running it on an iBook G4 as we speak. I'd think an Intel Mac might be even easier |
| 19:46.08 | peterrooney | silent_tr: I recommend installing both packages, read both man pages. |
| 19:46.10 | jhutchins | kaste: You'd have to ask the kernel maintainers for a definitive answer. |
| 19:46.23 | jhutchins | ,maint linux-image |
| 19:46.24 | judd | Sorry, there is no record of 'linux-image'. |
| 19:46.28 | sjamaan | An old colleague of mine runs some flavor of Debian (could be Ubuntu, not sure) on a x86 Macbook |
| 19:46.31 | jhutchins | !maint linux-image |
| 19:46.33 | teraflops | depends on the MBPS year/version caraconan |
| 19:46.35 | caraconan | sjamaan: it's a Mac Pro, not a laptop |
| 19:46.47 | sjamaan | Ah, one of those! |
| 19:46.55 | caraconan | teraflops: I don't have the server close to me now, not a Mac expert |
| 19:47.10 | sjamaan | I'd just try it out |
| 19:47.24 | caraconan | Any tip, suggestion? |
| 19:47.31 | jhutchins | sjamaan: The PPC version might have different defaults. |
| 19:47.37 | caraconan | sjamaan: a regular installation media? |
| 19:48.01 | Kuba | http://paste.debian.net/plain/74077 :( |
| 19:48.23 | jhutchins | caraconan: Is it an x86 or a ppc? |
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| 19:48.33 | sjamaan | jhutchins: Good call! The ssh server I tested on is an x86, but it could be because I'm logging in from the xterm on the iBook. I'll check my other x86_64 laptop when it's repaired |
| 19:48.55 | jhutchins | sjamaan: It could be affected by the termcap system too. |
| 19:49.01 | caraconan | jhutchins: sorry, I don't have the server close to me now. I just want to have an idea about how hard will be to get it installed |
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| 19:49.25 | jhutchins | caraconan: I suggest you gather some more information before you decide to go forward with this. |
| 19:49.45 | caraconan | jhutchins: so looks like is not a trivial thing, right? |
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| 19:49.47 | gnugr | caraconan:you'll need rEFIt for your mac and also grub-efi-amd64 for Debian to work with rEFIt |
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| 19:50.02 | jhutchins | caraconan: How familiar are you with Debian on conventional Wintel hardware? |
| 19:50.07 | _lex | wols: :-) I have found what the problem was with my realtek :-) actually I have pressed by mistake the ECO button (FN key + F11) and this is what triggered my laptop to hardware disable the eth interface, I've tried this combination this night with the hope this may be the problem and it "fixed" it... |
| 19:50.08 | caraconan | Thanks, I'll take note of all those terms |
| 19:50.19 | _lex | so lesson learned: never press combinations when you're tired that you can't see the keyboard |
| 19:50.26 | _lex | all in all, realtek is still up and running :-] |
| 19:50.35 | jhutchins | gnugr: Grub has been able to handle efi for nearly ten years now. |
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| 19:50.39 | caraconan | jhutchins: I've got experience as sysadmin, but never have to worry too much about disks, processors, etc.. |
| 19:50.47 | _lex | is just a function like power saving and stuff... most probably |
| 19:51.50 | jhutchins | caraconan: You might want some more familiarity with the Apple hardware and the differences among models. You're probably going to have to mess with some drivers and configuration to get it to work. THere are wiki pages for both kinds of mac at debian and other places. |
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| 19:52.29 | caraconan | jhutchins: thanks. As soon as I will get the hardware details I will do a deep search |
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| 19:56.07 | peterrooney | linux on apple hardware has been described as a continuous IQ test |
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| 20:01.59 | CookieJar | Either I'm worse than what stupid weasel ' s name implies or squid is difficult to set up |
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| 20:03.07 | CookieJar | Just trying to set it up so it caches windows updates so they don't have to be downloaded from Microsoft all the time |
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| 20:10.01 | jhutchins | CookieJar: squid is a whole topic of it's own right. |
| 20:10.05 | jhutchins | !squid |
| 20:10.05 | dpkg | Squid is a caching web proxy supporting HTTP/S, FTP and others. Debian's squid packages are not built with SSL support (Debian bug #180886), ask about <package rebuild> and supply "--enable-ssl" for this. See also <squid deb caching>, <transparent proxy>. /usr/share/doc/squid{,3}/* http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq http://squid-cache.org/ #squid on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:10.32 | silent_tr | Damn, you can't recover files to the same drive via photorec - thats annoying :/ |
| 20:10.39 | CookieJar | Ah, they have their own channel, thanks |
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| 20:12.05 | jhutchins | silent_tr: Given that the usual reason for recovering fils is because the drive is b0rked that makes sense. Also, the mode that photorec uses is not an interactive mount of the drive. |
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| 20:12.14 | jhutchins | silent_tr: Where are your backups? |
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| 20:13.17 | silent_tr | jhutchins: It's mainly .mkv's and .avi's in there, cant find an option to not recover those type of files, so maybe i will be alright to try and recover the 2tb drive into my SSD which is only 40gb remaining. |
| 20:13.58 | silent_tr | I am not bothered about those video files, was just my other bits, probably totalling 5gb max...And yes, my backups are non existent :/ |
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| 20:19.18 | herpy | is steam down or something? |
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| 20:24.17 | mtn | oh noes, no steam! |
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| 20:24.57 | jhutchins | silent_tr: Methinks you need to reconsider your storage strategy. |
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| 20:26.13 | silent_tr | jhutchins: I agree. |
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| 20:26.39 | jubo2 | thanks for asking nkuttler |
| 20:26.57 | jubo2 | the dist-upgrade didn't work out |
| 20:27.09 | jubo2 | I need to install clean Debian7 |
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| 20:30.06 | noLUKs | hi |
| 20:31.32 | noLUKs | is there a way to access an encrypted volume (the default type when choosing "encrypt" in the debian installation) from the command line? ( it's *not* a LUKS ) |
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| 20:33.12 | tremon | noLUKs: I'm not sure what it is you're asking, but have you tried cryptsetup? |
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| 20:34.15 | oskie | lll |
| 20:34.16 | jhutchins | jubo2: Yeah, I think you could probably have done that by now. Sorry we couldn't fix it. |
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| 20:34.54 | jubo2 | jhutchins: need to find the USB stick I use to hold the installation image 1st |
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| 20:36.34 | lroe | Is there a filesystem that supports user-editable notes as metadata for a file? |
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| 20:37.44 | noLUKs | tremon: i know cryptsetup and i usually use it with LUKS partitions/files with "cryptsetup luksOpen $device $new-name-for-the-mapper" but this one has been created by debian during the installation and i dont know what type it is. it's a volume (via LVM, i think) and it's not luks. Now i'm running a liveCD with the disk attached externally via USB cable. I can see that via the GUI (LXDE) i can click on it an then it ask me |
| 20:37.52 | tremon | reiserfs, xfs, extN with user_xattr... |
| 20:37.53 | dondelelcaro | lroe: sounds fragile; why not juse use foofile.note.txt or something like that? |
| 20:38.26 | lroe | dondelelcaro, that's an idea, or .file.something I guess |
| 20:38.30 | tremon | noLUKs: are you sure it's encrypted? what does file -s say about it? |
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| 20:39.23 | tremon | noLUKs: btw read man cryptsetup, it has a different command set for non-luks encrypted volumes. Obviously, luksOpen isn't going to work for a non-luks encrypted device |
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| 20:39.34 | reepeecheep | Hi |
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| 20:40.12 | reepeecheep | I can't run apps as Root |
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| 20:40.32 | abrotman | reepeecheep: you'll have to give us more detail |
| 20:40.32 | tremon | nor should you |
| 20:40.36 | reepeecheep | sudo kwrite |
| 20:40.37 | reepeecheep | No protocol specified |
| 20:40.37 | reepeecheep | kwrite: cannot connect to X server :0 |
| 20:40.47 | abrotman | reepeecheep: don't dot hat .. what are you really trying to do ? |
| 20:41.46 | reepeecheep | I try to open a GUI appliaction as Root |
| 20:41.55 | tremon | !tell reepeecheep about root x |
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| 20:42.00 | abrotman | yes .. why? |
| 20:42.05 | abrotman | reepeecheep: what are you really trying to do ? |
| 20:42.09 | abrotman | what file are you trying to edit? |
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| 20:45.39 | noLUKs | tremon: i'll try file -s in 10 minutes 'cause the (usb) adapter doesnt work on this pc. btw it *IS* encrypted. I did this some months ago: 1) I installed debian and i choosed to encrypt the root in the installation menu. I used the default choices for encryption. 2) It has 2 partition: sda1 is /boot and sda2 is an LVM encrypted that contains the / and the /home partitions |
| 20:46.21 | noLUKs | *s |
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| 20:46.56 | effenberg | ello |
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| 20:48.02 | tremon | I've never let d-i do my partition setup, but the normal install should put lvm on luks. If it's not that, it's hopefully lvm on loop-aes (but you should have explicitly chosen that) or you have created a luks-on-lvm setup |
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| 20:50.17 | tremon | the other possibility is that the luks header is damaged, in which case you're better off starting over |
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| 20:54.14 | noLUKs | tremon: ok, it's LUKS ( :) ) : file -s /dev/sda5 says: "LUKS encrypted file, ver 1 [aes, xts-plain64, sha1] UUID: ...... " |
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| 20:55.29 | tremon | ok, then cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 cryptpv1 should be the correct command (modulo mapped device name) |
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| 20:57.00 | noLUKs | once (if) i recover it with "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 $volume-name " how can i specify what sub-partition ( / or /home ) i want to access? |
| 20:57.44 | tremon | you don't, at least not directly. After unlocking, you still need to initialize the volume group with vgchange -ay $vgname |
| 20:58.10 | tremon | then you can mount whatever partition you need from /dev/mapper/$vgname-$lvname |
| 20:58.34 | noLUKs | ok, thanks! |
| 20:58.45 | tremon | you can scan for available lvm components with pvs, vgs and lvs |
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| 21:00.53 | ph | hello |
| 21:01.01 | ph | i want to install debian stable |
| 21:01.10 | ph | but use kvm/libvirt from backports |
| 21:01.24 | ph | when i search in http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ |
| 21:01.46 | ph | i get libvirt-bin 0.9.12-11~bpo60+1 |
| 21:02.25 | ph | but in testing i find it has version 1.2.0-1 |
| 21:02.26 | tremon | backports is no longer separate, it's in the main archive: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/qemu-kvm |
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| 21:03.11 | ph | tremon: ah i see |
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| 21:03.24 | tremon | gah. and wheezy has been released almost a year ago. Try http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/qemu-kvm instead |
| 21:04.06 | ph | tremon: so http://backports.debian.org/ is outdated ? |
| 21:04.18 | noLUKs | tremon: and are there some specific programs to recover the partition (like bruteforcing) since i know the passphrase but i dont remember if it contains some special chars at the end (like "-" of "!" ) and the spacing? I mean: a program to vary my passphrase building all the combination (ex: 2 spaces than $passphrase than 2 spaces. and then: 1 space then $passphrase than 3 spaces ) ? |
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| 21:05.01 | tremon | ph: somewhat. The instruction page (http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/) is still up-to-date, but the package list isn't |
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| 21:05.57 | ph | tremon: ok.. nice to know |
| 21:06.17 | ph | tremon: is anyone in here in touch with the one who could update the info ? :) |
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| 21:07.18 | idueppe | Hi, I guess I broke may network configuration. I can reach my local network but not the inet maybe the gateway or the nameserver is broken. How can I validate which namesever and gateway address is really used? |
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| 21:08.09 | tremon | noLUKs: I don't think so. Maybe you can use shell piping (for pass in some known passwords{w,i,t,h}{c,o,m,b,o} ; do echo $pass | cryptsetup ... ) |
| 21:08.47 | buu | idueppe: ifconfig and route |
| 21:08.57 | noLUKs | or "echo -n $password" .. |
| 21:09.00 | tremon | idueppe: ask your network admin, there is no way to guess that. It's why most people use dhcp and/or RA |
| 21:09.11 | buu | idueppe: Can you confirm the inet is reachable from another computer? |
| 21:09.53 | tremon | idueppe: that said, the gateway is /usually/ located at the top or bottom of a subnet, so .1 or .254 |
| 21:10.04 | idueppe | As far you can read me, yes :-) ... It is a virtual maschine on my workstation |
| 21:10.26 | buu | Heh, good point |
| 21:10.35 | buu | idueppe: So you can ping the gateway from the vm? |
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| 21:10.55 | buu | What OS is the vm running? |
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| 21:11.07 | noLUKs | ok thanks again. (i'll be a looong night :) |
| 21:11.16 | noLUKs | *it |
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| 21:11.24 | idueppe | Well the addresses of nameserver and gateway are correct. Yes I can ping everything in my network |
| 21:11.24 | tremon | ph: what needs updating? afaict, If I go to backports.debian.org and click on Packages, the search directs me to p.d.o automatically |
| 21:11.39 | idueppe | The OS is Debian Wheezy or what you mean? |
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| 21:12.39 | idueppe | if I type "ping www.google.de" I got "connect: Network is unreachable" |
| 21:12.52 | wols | idueppe: "ping 8.8.8.8" if that works, then it's the nameserver. run "route" and you know what the set gateway is |
| 21:12.53 | buu | idueppe: Is your host machine set up to packet forward? |
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| 21:13.02 | buu | idueppe: and nat |
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| 21:13.41 | ph | tremon: hmm.. your right.. wonder what I did before to get the wrong search.. |
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| 21:14.12 | idueppe | Route says: 192.168.123.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 21:14.24 | idueppe | my gateway is 192.168.123.1 |
| 21:14.36 | magyar | hi, trying to install grub on a md device (ext4) jessie, but getting this error: Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/md4 failed. The command I'm running is grub-install /dev/sdd |
| 21:14.37 | idueppe | ping of any Ip outside is not reachable |
| 21:14.41 | wols | I don't see a default gateway in your paste there |
| 21:14.47 | buu | idueppe: Thats the only route? |
| 21:14.56 | idueppe | yes |
| 21:15.11 | wols | idueppe: how are you configuring your network? |
| 21:15.16 | buu | idueppe: Then add a gateway route! |
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| 21:17.02 | idueppe | the network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/y8Pt22SV |
| 21:17.05 | ph | tremon: i see what i got confused about. on http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ it defaults to squeeze-backports |
| 21:17.12 | ph | and wheezy is not selectable |
| 21:17.34 | ph | tremon: but when searching i can then select "limut to suite" |
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| 21:17.42 | ph | wheezy |
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| 21:18.01 | tremon | I see |
| 21:19.33 | magyar | --recheck seem to work |
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| 21:20.31 | idueppe | how do I add a gateway route |
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| 21:21.12 | tremon | ip route add default via $gw |
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| 21:22.20 | dondelelcaro | err, s/e/E/ |
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| 21:25.02 | ph | im using md to create a raid1 array. On top of that I have LVM and on that /. Is that too much for grub2 ? .. do i need a /boot on raw partition ? |
| 21:27.40 | tremon | grub2 should be able to handle that, but nevertheless I prefer to keep /boot single in all cases |
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| 21:28.53 | AsumFace | never try to plug your usb stick into your power button :/ |
| 21:30.12 | tremon | it's yet another failure mode for virtually no gain |
| 21:30.15 | idueppe | thx, add the gateway route fix it. But why was this route missing after booting? |
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| 21:49.24 | SuperCatFrog | hi, can anybody tell me how to change what is ran on boot without the system being booted? I've got an image on a flash drive but ssh isn't starting ( oops ) |
| 21:50.08 | SuperCatFrog | ( I don't know how update-rc.d actually works, which is my problem ) |
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| 21:50.22 | tremon | SuperCatFrog: if it's the same architecture, chroot into it and read man update-rc.d :) |
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| 21:52.16 | SuperCatFrog | I'm on a mac, so I'm limited to mounting the FS |
| 21:53.55 | SuperCatFrog | tremon: ^ ( incase you missed that ) |
| 21:54.13 | tremon | the most low-level way is to remote S* start links from /etc/rc2.d. But I'm not sure how insserv will respond to dependencies that can't be resolved because they've been pulled without from under it |
| 21:54.24 | tremon | err, s/remote/remove/ |
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| 21:54.56 | Deeps | the easy hack would be to just add: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 21:54.59 | Deeps | to /etc/rc.local |
| 21:55.08 | Deeps | and then use update-rc.d once you're in |
| 21:55.09 | SuperCatFrog | tremon: so just symlink /etc/init.d/ssh to /etc/rc2.d/ssh and make +x |
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| 21:55.30 | SuperCatFrog | Deeps: I forgot about rc.local, ta |
| 21:56.06 | tremon | if you're adding new links, not removing them, create that symlink as /etc/rc2.d/S99ssh |
| 21:56.19 | tremon | and /etc/init.d/ssh should already be +x |
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| 21:58.13 | SuperCatFrog | tremon, Deeps: thanks |
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| 21:59.50 | tremon | I'm not sure simply adding that symlink is enough, though: normally you'd re-run insserv after changing init symlinks |
| 22:00.19 | tremon | only one way to find out... |
| 22:00.51 | SuperCatFrog | ah right, I'll hack it with rc.local then |
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| 22:10.35 | passporr | zsnes: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory but i have libgl installed with libgl1-fglrx-glx what should i do next? |
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| 22:12.17 | Boohbah_ | systemd wants to eat your babies |
| 22:12.49 | koollman | systemd will starve, then ... |
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| 22:14.53 | phogg | koollman: Are you sure? Baby eating is becoming an essential part of normal Linux userland and anyone who is against it is just standing in the way of progress. |
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| 22:15.27 | koollman | phogg: it implies that my babies exist |
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| 22:16.27 | KaaK | I'm automating a job using faric, where I log into a remote box as one user, then su to a system user to perform a few chores as that user. The problem is that these chores require the ownership of a tty (gpg-agent + pinentry-curses) |
| 22:16.43 | KaaK | Do i have any alternative than just chown'ing the tty before su'ing to that user? |
| 22:17.56 | jelly-home | KaaK: no, as you've excluded logging in properly as the latter user |
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| 22:19.30 | jiffe98 | I'm going to download the debian iso, why are there 3 dvds? |
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| 22:20.38 | jarkko___ | those contain all the softaware |
| 22:20.40 | jarkko___ | i think |
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| 22:20.47 | jarkko___ | you just need to download the 1st |
| 22:20.56 | KaaK | jelly-home: i'm torn on which is worse -- the chown'ing of the tty, or setting up full blown users for each roll that i want on this server... |
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| 22:21.04 | ZitZ | right, you only need the first dvd or cd to install |
| 22:21.11 | KaaK | .... role |
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| 22:21.18 | jiffe98 | gotcha |
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| 22:30.37 | jhutchins | jiffe98: In fact, there's a "netinstall" image that's even better, it only downloads what you actually use. |
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| 22:32.23 | Kuba | do you know why virtualbox has been moved to contrib in jessie? |
| 22:33.10 | Kuba | I tried finding info on http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/virtualbox-ose.html with no luck |
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| 22:34.02 | Kuba | i.e. http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/virtualbox.html |
| 22:34.23 | Kuba | ah, okay, got it |
| 22:34.25 | Kuba | in the changelog |
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| 22:36.14 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I have occasion to install Squeeze on a machine remotely via the network. Can I install that version using the latest stable Debian-Installer? If so, how? |
| 22:36.36 | Pegasus_RPG | IIRC it only lets you choose between Stable (Wheezy), Testing and Unstable |
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| 22:38.57 | Kuba | Pegasus_RPG: you could always download oldstable iso... |
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| 22:41.58 | Pegasus_RPG | Kuba: I'm remote though and have to install over the network. Maybe I can find a way to boot an ISO via PXE |
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| 22:46.20 | jhutchins | !contrib |
| 22:46.21 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 22:46.56 | Kuba | jhutchins: yes, I know that; but wondered what happened in the pkg |
| 22:47.02 | jhutchins | Kuba: IIRC it's the pseudo-bios files for creating boot images that aren't free. |
| 22:47.08 | Kuba | yeah, changelog ftw |
| 22:49.29 | Pegasus_RPG | downloads the Squeeze netboot.tar.gz and deploys it to his TFTP server |
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| 22:50.02 | Pegasus_RPG | I just hope it doesn't use "stable" everywhere instead of "squeeze" |
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| 22:52.56 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Well, if it does, you need to do one search/replace on one file. If you already know how to do that with vi you should teach yourself to do it in sed. |
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| 23:01.08 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: yes, but i meant during the install process |
| 23:01.27 | Pegasus_RPG | though it offered me "squeeze - oldstable" so I should be fine |
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| 23:41.43 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Why on earth would it matter? |
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| 23:54.26 | secret_ | Hi, I'm running Debian on my laptop, but I can't get suspend-to-RAM to work. When I request it to suspend, the screen turns black, but that's it. The fan keeps on spinning, the power LED stays on. How could I try to fix this? I'm currently running Debian 6.0.8 with Linux 3.2 from backports, but I also tried suspend-to-RAM on Debian testing installed on another partition, and the same problem |
| 23:54.26 | secret_ | occurred. Any ideas? |
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