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| 00:02.50 | HicksD | secret_: https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend have a look at the video quirks bit, that might apply to you? |
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| 00:07.37 | tomatosalad | ...is there a *nix utility that'll listen over USB (well, let you define a serial port) and then provide transparency to the computer's internal modem? |
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| 00:12.00 | abrotman | tomatosalad: to what end? |
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| 00:25.47 | asterismo | hi people, any ideas what netbooks or 11-incher laptops those that came with W8 support formatting and installing Debian? I ask because of the UEFI bullsh*t going on... maybe an online database of compatibility? Thanks |
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| 00:28.51 | tomatosalad | I really wonder if the salvation army/goodwill has a 1702 or something |
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| 00:31.33 | asterismo | anyone? |
| 00:31.45 | Kuba | asterismo: I installed debian on UEFI system with Win8 with no problems apart from disabling secure boot |
| 00:31.51 | Kuba | asterismo: today |
| 00:32.05 | Kuba | asterismo: grub recognised Win8 automatically |
| 00:32.17 | Kuba | asterismo: everything worked out of the box with 7.3 netinstaller |
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| 00:32.28 | asterismo | my ontention is to remove windows and do a new partition table on the disk |
| 00:32.31 | tomatosalad | abrotman: yeah, I did mint the other day |
| 00:32.32 | asterismo | Kuba |
| 00:32.36 | tomatosalad | abrotman: no big deal |
| 00:32.41 | Kuba | asterismo: you will have troubles booting live usb/cd though which doesn't seem to work with UEFI |
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| 00:32.45 | tomatosalad | abrotman: just turn off secure boot in the bios |
| 00:32.51 | Kuba | asterismo: it should work |
| 00:33.22 | dizzylizzy | asterismo: be sure it isn't an ARM chip in the netbook |
| 00:33.29 | dizzylizzy | the processor |
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| 00:33.57 | Kuba | dizzylizzy: wouldn't debian work with ARM? |
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| 00:34.46 | Tramp | Kuba: I actually did the same but had to use gparted on the Win8 NTFS partition to make room for the Debian install |
| 00:35.20 | Tramp | if it wouldnt have worked, I'd just have trashed the Win8 though. |
| 00:35.22 | qkzoo1978 | Maybe silly question, but how do you quit x to get back to command line (not shell)? |
| 00:36.09 | Kuba | asterismo: fair point from Tramp: you'll have to shrink ntfs partition and it's generally adevised to disable fast boot in bios |
| 00:36.09 | dizzylizzy | Kuba: it runs on ARM, but Windows 8 / ARM does not have to allow disabling the secure boot with UEFI |
| 00:36.16 | dizzylizzy | in fact, most prohibit disabling it |
| 00:36.20 | Kuba | dizzylizzy: right |
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| 00:36.46 | Kuba | Tramp: I did the same, but I'd guess debian installer is just fine with resing NTFS partitions |
| 00:36.56 | Kuba | Tramp: well, actually I resized from within Windows |
| 00:37.14 | dizzylizzy | you can resize a live NTFS partition while using it while it's mounted? wow |
| 00:37.15 | Kuba | as ntfsresize didn't mention Win8, which might use newer version of NTDS |
| 00:37.17 | dizzylizzy | that's neat I s'pose |
| 00:37.23 | Kuba | dizzylizzy: yep, you can |
| 00:37.36 | Tramp | Kuba: ah, ok. May work as well - though I'm mainly Win-ignorant |
| 00:37.39 | Kuba | since win 8 |
| 00:38.20 | shingouz | qkzoo1978: depends. if you have a display manager running you can try hitting ctrl+alt+f2 and you should end up in a terminal. you could disable the display manager or you can try ctrl+alt+backspace to kill x. with the display manager x will restart immediately, though |
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| 00:40.16 | Tramp | and grub gave me trouble (I don't remember which) so I used rEFInd |
| 00:40.30 | Kuba | Tramp: at which point? |
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| 00:40.45 | Kuba | Tramp: I couldn't boot live usb, but netinst worked pretty well |
| 00:40.52 | qkzoo1978 | Thanks :) |
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| 00:41.40 | Tramp | Kuba: It's almost two years, so I don't remember to be honest. Maybe I should just re-try with grub .... but the setup with rEFInd works for me so far |
| 00:41.53 | shingouz | ...and of course he immediately quits after getting one answer that may or may not be the one he was looking for... |
| 00:45.35 | Kuba | Tramp: do you use Windows Boot Manager? |
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| 00:46.07 | Kuba | Tramp: and EasyBCD maybe? |
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| 00:46.10 | crooksey | I have just installed mailutils. How can I make it use postfix now? |
| 00:46.14 | Tramp | Kuba: not as far as I know - I select the Win-Inst from rEFInd and then it just boots |
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| 00:46.30 | Kuba | Tramp: mhm |
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| 00:48.26 | crane_ | hey ho, i try to passthrough my vga card to one of my guests with kvm... i looked for some howtos. do i need two vga cards or can i run my host and guest on the same card? |
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| 00:55.31 | asterismo | Kuba, Tramp, so there is no more old fashion laptops in which i can install what-the-hell-operating-system i want? This is really an issue... |
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| 00:56.26 | abrotman | huh? |
| 00:56.28 | Tramp | asterismo: you sure can. Just disable secure boot and go. Afair I didn't have problem booting from CD |
| 00:56.40 | Okee | Is there a way to get opera browser installed through backports? I don't see it in the repos. |
| 00:56.53 | asterismo | Tramp, unless it has an ARM processor? |
| 00:56.59 | abrotman | Okee: Opera has an apt repository |
| 00:57.08 | Tramp | asterismo: ah. No idea. Never had an arm. |
| 00:57.27 | Okee | abrotman> OK, let me take a look at their website, and see if I can find something. |
| 00:58.41 | Okee | abrotman> Where do I find this apt repository? The only thing I see on their website is this: http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?os=linux |
| 00:59.00 | shingouz | Okee: check what dpkg told you... |
| 00:59.58 | abrotman | Okee: http://deb.opera.com/ |
| 01:00.15 | Okee | ok. Thanks. |
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| 01:18.45 | Okee | I am getting an error indicating that the system is unable to lock the administrative directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? How do I lock this directory? |
| 01:19.02 | shingouz | Okee: well, are you root? |
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| 01:19.58 | Okee | shingouz: I was only root for changing the permissions, so that a file could be accessed; other than that I was not root. For that one file I did the "sudo chmod 777 filename". |
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| 01:20.30 | shingouz | Okee: nononono! you install the thing as root, you do not change the permissions |
| 01:20.58 | Okee | shingouz> I am afraid I don't follow you. What do you mean? |
| 01:21.26 | shingouz | okee go root. change permissions on that one file back to what they were. |
| 01:21.27 | overjoyedpulp | in order to install a program through apt or dpkg you need root privileges |
| 01:21.30 | abrotman | what? |
| 01:21.43 | abrotman | Okee: who are you running the command as? |
| 01:22.31 | Okee | overjoyedpulp> What I did is add the following file to the sources.list: deb http://deb.opera.com/opera squeeze non-free |
| 01:22.58 | shingouz | Okee: correct. that what did you do? |
| 01:23.14 | Okee | Then I ran aptitude update. At that point I received an error indicating that I didn't have permission to run one of the files, so I changed this with sudo chmod 777 file name, and then ran update. |
| 01:23.18 | shingouz | that/then. typo |
| 01:23.45 | overjoyedpulp | Okee, it says on deb.opera.com that if you download and install the Opera debian package then it will just add the repo for you |
| 01:23.59 | shingouz | Okee: rrrriiight. go anc change the permissions back to what they were |
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| 01:26.05 | overjoyedpulp | also, Okee, are you running squeeze? if so, idk if that Opera package will work because it's made for wheezy and squeeze is so old |
| 01:26.41 | Okee | overjoedpulp> No, I am running wheezy, and already edited the update to file to reflect this. |
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| 01:29.43 | abrotman | Okee: use a pastebin lease |
| 01:29.45 | abrotman | please |
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| 01:34.58 | Some_Person | Is plymouth pretty much the only option nowadays for a boot splash? |
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| 01:41.17 | deepbl | how to get xchat? |
| 01:42.19 | __FBi | deepbl, apt-cache search hexchat |
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| 01:43.48 | deepbl | _FBi: no output |
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| 01:44.14 | __FBi | are your sources working? |
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| 01:44.24 | AsumFace | hexchat is not in the repos |
| 01:44.29 | deepbl | maybe no |
| 01:44.31 | AsumFace | apt-get install xchat |
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| 01:45.22 | deepbl | Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package xchat |
| 01:45.48 | shingouz | deepbl: apt-cache search xchat and see what that spits out |
| 01:45.50 | null__ | I'm trying to install haskell-platform via apt-get and I am receiving the message: "Package haskell-platform is not available, but is referred to by another package."Package haskell-platform is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 01:46.03 | null__ | (same with ghc and cabal-install) |
| 01:46.22 | __FBi | AsumFace, sorry I must be out of the loop, I thought Hex Chat took over xchat |
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| 01:47.17 | deepbl | shingouz: no output |
| 01:47.28 | kiepe | Hi |
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| 01:48.04 | kiepe | anyone here has experience setting up openvpn on debian 7? |
| 01:48.21 | __FBi | kiepe, do you have a question? |
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| 01:49.03 | shingouz | deepbl: i get several hits with that one. what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:49.12 | Okee | abrotman> Ok, here is a problem: http://pastebin.com/rc7zbpva |
| 01:49.30 | deepbl | wheezt 7.2 |
| 01:49.38 | __FBi | kiepe, there's also #openvpn |
| 01:49.39 | kiepe | yes, all the instructions i can find seem to point to a directory "/usr/share/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa" which doesnt exist after I installed openvpn through apt-get |
| 01:49.44 | deepbl | wheezy 7.2 |
| 01:49.55 | __FBi | kiepe, you missed a step |
| 01:50.37 | shingouz | deepbl: lemmesee.. sec |
| 01:51.01 | __FBi | kiepe, you should need to extract and copy some things |
| 01:51.02 | kiepe | __FBi which step is that? |
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| 01:52.09 | shingouz | deepbl: it *should* be there. apt-cache search xchat |
| 01:52.12 | kiepe | __FBi https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN - I don't see a step that actually creates that directory |
| 01:52.28 | kiepe | it appears to be created by installing the openvpn package? |
| 01:52.46 | Okee | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.53 | kiepe | also when i try joining #openvpn I am told that I am banned, not sure how that happened |
| 01:53.03 | kiepe | I don't even recal joining that chanel before |
| 01:53.09 | deepbl | so why is it not installed? |
| 01:53.14 | __FBi | cd /etc/openvpn |
| 01:53.14 | __FBi | # mkdir easy-rsa |
| 01:53.14 | __FBi | # cp -R /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa/2.0/* easy-rsa/ |
| 01:53.26 | __FBi | Doh |
| 01:54.10 | dvs | Okee: yeah, there's nothing in your pastebin! |
| 01:54.30 | shingouz | deepbl: i do not know. do an apt-get update as root for me, then try to find the xchat again |
| 01:54.49 | deepbl | ok |
| 01:55.01 | Okee | dvs> http://pastebin.com/rc7zbpva |
| 01:55.36 | Okee | dvs> Not sure what I am doing wrong. I tried changing the permissions, and the update still won't run. |
| 01:55.48 | dvs | Okee: You are running the command as asd, not root |
| 01:56.12 | Okee | dvs> The command I used is as follows: sudo chmod 777 /path |
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| 01:56.28 | dvs | Okee: I mean the apt-get command |
| 01:56.33 | shingouz | Okee: and change the permissions back to what they were! otherwise you *will* have a problem |
| 01:56.48 | Okee | dvs> you lossed me. What line(s) are you talking about? |
| 01:57.00 | deepbl | shingouz: still can't get it installed |
| 01:57.06 | Okee | shingouz> Change permissions to which file? I am not sure what anyone is talking about? |
| 01:57.10 | dvs | Okee: What command did you use before line 1? |
| 01:57.37 | Okee | dvs> aptitude install opera |
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| 01:57.50 | dvs | Okee: THAT should be run with sudo |
| 01:57.59 | shingouz | Okee: you changed permissions on some file is what you said. undo that change. |
| 01:58.15 | dvs | Okee: But listen to shingouz first. |
| 01:58.37 | Okee | ok. The lack of root with aptitude is what caused the problem. Opera is now installing. |
| 01:58.41 | shingouz | deepbl: xchat should be there for all architectures. are you sure your sources.list is as it should |
| 01:58.52 | dvs | sighs in relief |
| 01:58.54 | deepbl | maybe the sources are not working.how to get them working? |
| 01:59.04 | shingouz | Okee: i told you so. ages ago. |
| 01:59.10 | Okee | I don't recall getting a permission error when running aptitude, which is probably what got me off track. |
| 01:59.15 | dvs | !tell deepbl about wheezy sources.list |
| 01:59.35 | __FBi | kiepe, figure it out? |
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| 02:01.24 | dvs | shingouz: Everyone what saying that ages ago. |
| 02:01.58 | shingouz | Okee: you told me that you had a problem with /var/lib/dpkg when you were trying to install and that aptitude asked if you are root. at that point you did a chmod 777 for that file. you said this about 40 minutes ago |
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| 02:03.35 | Okee | shingouz> I think I received a permission error or can't lock file error, when trying to go through the instructions for installing opera. I don't think the /var/lib/dpkg I believe you. A lot going on, so it was hard to keep track of. |
| 02:03.58 | RaymondX | hi! i have arch and debian using the same home folder. How can I get them to use different gtk themes? |
| 02:04.11 | shingouz | goes and bangs his head against the wall |
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| 02:06.04 | dvs | looks at the wall |
| 02:06.26 | RaymondX | create different user? |
| 02:08.45 | shingouz | RaymondX: do some hacking on the startup and make it use a different xinit or something? purge arch? a different user might come in handy. |
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| 02:10.34 | deepbl | dvs: now how to update the system? |
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| 02:13.06 | shingouz | apt-get update. as root. |
| 02:13.52 | dvs | deepbl: aptitude update |
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| 02:14.55 | johnfg | Is there a way to get the tab navigation arrows to show in iceweasel? I'm running wheezy, all updates current. |
| 02:16.01 | deepbl | done .should i run apt-get diet-upgrade now? |
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| 02:16.12 | fatih | hi everyone |
| 02:16.13 | shingouz | johnfg: i think they come up automagically if you open enough tabs |
| 02:16.13 | dvs | hates diets! |
| 02:16.25 | dvs | deepbl: aptitude full-upgrade |
| 02:16.26 | deepbl | done .should i run 'apt-get dist-upgrade' now? |
| 02:16.30 | shingouz | deepbl: nnnooo... try dist-upgrade |
| 02:16.33 | fatih | How can I change the configure parameters in a package when I'm going to build it fakeroot? |
| 02:16.44 | fatih | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--prefix=/opt/screen" fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 02:16.49 | fatih | didn't work |
| 02:16.59 | fatih | I want basically change the prefix for a custom screen package |
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| 02:19.10 | fatih | just find a file called debian/rules |
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| 02:19.21 | fatih | changing there, let's see what happens |
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| 02:21.05 | deepbl | xchat installed successfully ,thanx |
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| 02:21.23 | dvs | yay! |
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| 02:22.42 | __FBi | Huston, we have touch down |
| 02:22.52 | shingouz | deepbl: you're welcome |
| 02:23.06 | dvs | Now use it! |
| 02:23.16 | Okee | I am receiving an error message, indicating that signatures couldn't be verified because no public key is available. This error occurred after I typed wget http://deb.opera.com/archive.key | sudo apt-key add I am following the instructions found here -->http://deb.opera.com/ |
| 02:24.03 | Okee | Not sure which key was grabbed, but it don't work. There is another key on the same URL, but I am not sure how to grab it. |
| 02:24.26 | dvs | Okee: You're missing a couple of symbols with that command |
| 02:24.56 | Okee | dvs> You referring to the -0? If so, I got an error message until I removed it. |
| 02:24.57 | dvs | Namely a "-O" and a "-" |
| 02:25.07 | dvs | It's not a zero |
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| 02:25.34 | luc_ | what is the bes: ubuntu x debian???? |
| 02:25.38 | luc_ | best* |
| 02:26.46 | Okee | dvs> Look like I misinterpreted the O for a 0. I inserted an O and that fixed it. Thanks for your help. |
| 02:27.07 | shingouz | luc_: you are asking that in #debian. take a wild guess what our answer would be :) |
| 02:27.36 | luc_ | <shingouz> lol |
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| 02:28.07 | luc_ | <shingouz> i use both, but now with steam, i migrated to ubuntu |
| 02:28.28 | luc_ | <shingouz> officialy supported |
| 02:28.37 | Thraul | i use nothing but debian. |
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| 02:29.05 | luc_ | <Thraul> good |
| 02:29.59 | luc_ | i still use windows for gaming |
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| 02:30.42 | Thraul | i am using debian as my desktop, on my severs at home. Do my gaming on Debian too. WoW and D3 run fine :P |
| 02:31.18 | luc_ | <Thraul> wow mists of pandaria???? |
| 02:31.31 | luc_ | <Thraul> D3 i know runs good |
| 02:31.36 | Thraul | yeah |
| 02:31.44 | Thraul | i am logged on now reposting all my auctions |
| 02:31.55 | luc_ | <Thraul> playonlinux? |
| 02:32.02 | Thraul | yeap |
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| 02:32.48 | luc_ | <Thraul> playonlinux supports burning crusade and lich king |
| 02:32.53 | luc_ | <Thraul> only |
| 02:33.40 | luc_ | <Thraul> what's the magic??? |
| 02:34.08 | Thraul | hehe open play on linux and look under other. Look for "World of Warcraft" |
| 02:34.26 | luc_ | <Thraul> i will |
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| 02:35.20 | luc_ | <Thraul> changing the subject |
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| 02:35.48 | luc_ | <Thraul> is that possible, to share a directory on a VM to the host?? |
| 02:36.11 | Thraul | using virtualbox? |
| 02:36.15 | luc_ | <Thraul> yes |
| 02:36.35 | Thraul | how is your network settings set? |
| 02:36.41 | luc_ | <Thraul> bridge |
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| 02:37.18 | luc_ | <Thraul> i know how to share a host directory, but not a vm directory |
| 02:37.48 | Thraul | so you want to share a folder on the host to the VM? or share a folder on the VM to the host? |
| 02:38.05 | luc_ | <Thraul>a folder on the vm to the host |
| 02:38.12 | luc_ | <Thraul> possible? |
| 02:38.15 | Thraul | what os on the VM? |
| 02:38.45 | luc_ | <Thraul> windows |
| 02:38.50 | luc_ | <Thraul> win 7 |
| 02:39.43 | Thraul | so share the folder on the VM. then just browse the network on the host to the vm |
| 02:40.08 | Thraul | the vm should just work like any other system on the network cause you are using bridge. getting its own network IP |
| 02:41.21 | luc_ | <Thraul> # mount -t cifs -o username=anakin,pass=Jedi //192.168.1.2/anakin /mnt/anakin |
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| 02:41.48 | Thraul | yeah |
| 02:41.54 | luc_ | <Thraul> for ex |
| 02:42.21 | Thraul | try using your file manager to. thunar for eg |
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| 02:42.33 | johnfg_ | shingouz: I'll open up some more &check that out. thanks |
| 02:43.11 | johnfg_ | anyone know if there's a way to change the fax speed through hplip? |
| 02:43.21 | luc_ | <Thraul> good i will try |
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| 02:44.17 | luc_ | <Thraul> linux doesnt have directx support |
| 02:44.51 | Thraul | nope i changed my config.wtf file to use opengl |
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| 02:45.14 | luc_ | <Thraul> but the vga has |
| 02:45.22 | garylabronz | Hey so i am just playing around, wanting to learn. but i am trying to limit concurrent root logins - this is via ssh (yeah i know i shouldnt let root login via ssh). |
| 02:45.30 | garylabronz | I have tried using /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 02:45.32 | garylabronz | and reboot |
| 02:45.35 | garylabronz | i had |
| 02:45.39 | garylabronz | root hard maxlogins 2 |
| 02:45.47 | garylabronz | but i can still have more than 2 sessions |
| 02:46.26 | luc_ | <Thraul> i would like to share c: on the vm |
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| 02:46.49 | luc_ | <Thraul> windows on the vm has directx |
| 02:47.11 | luc_ | <Thraul> is it possible to use directx on the vm locally? |
| 02:47.21 | Tramp | garylabronz: my manpage for limits conf says: maxlogins: maximum number of logins for this user except for this with uid=0 |
| 02:47.47 | Thraul | no i dont think so |
| 02:48.06 | garylabronz | Tramp: hot damn, alright that would explain it |
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| 02:54.23 | neo1691 | I updates some of my packages on my debian wheezy 64 bit using the command apt-get -u upgrade. Now my laptop boots and after the grup menu the start up messages appear then the screen goes blank. Going into recovery mode and running startx results the same |
| 02:54.36 | queso | I want to buy a new laser printer for home use. What's the easiest way to find which printers are compatible with Debian? |
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| 02:56.32 | binary_c | cycle |
| 02:56.58 | neo1691 | the Xorg log says that /usr/bin/X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so: undefined symbol: GlxInitVisuals2D |
| 02:57.03 | neo1691 | Any help |
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| 02:57.19 | abrotman | neo1691: which version of Linux? how di dyou install fgrlx? |
| 02:57.21 | shingouz | queso: i would hit google. it is enough if cups supports it |
| 02:58.14 | neo1691 | abrotman, uname -a gives me 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 02:58.26 | abrotman | that was one of two questions ... |
| 02:58.32 | neo1691 | and I installed the proprietary drivers for ati |
| 02:58.36 | neo1691 | Yes |
| 02:58.54 | abrotman | now? |
| 02:58.55 | abrotman | how |
| 02:59.27 | neo1691 | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/LatitudeN5010 here |
| 02:59.41 | neo1691 | This gave me the link for direct download of drivers |
| 03:00.15 | neo1691 | Now all I have is a command line with root login on debian. |
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| 03:02.18 | queso | shingouz: Okay, thank you. |
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| 03:03.35 | shingouz | queso: as an afterthought, if the thing has a scanner, check that sane supports it |
| 03:04.24 | neo1691 | abrotman, Any heads up |
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| 03:09.30 | abrotman | quite a few ... |
| 03:09.43 | abrotman | neo1691: i'm guessing instaling from the ati.com drivers is a bad thing |
| 03:10.36 | neo1691 | okay! Any open source alternative for me? |
| 03:10.40 | neo1691 | from command line |
| 03:11.19 | neo1691 | I'll download the drivers from the command line using wget and then set it up manually! But first I need to remove the installed drivers |
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| 03:15.57 | abrotman | I mea nt the fglrx are alreadyt packaged inDebian |
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| 03:16.47 | mwallacesd | Hello there. |
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| 03:19.58 | queso | shingouz: Okay, thanks again. For that I'd check the sane site? |
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| 03:20.00 | koyetsu | in debian if a driver is needed for a network card would it show up in a list of network connections with a "DOWN" state? i use "ip show" and get eth0 (as well as others) it looks like it should be able to work but shows: state DOWN and i am unable to get it to work. however i live booted a netboot ubuntu and the connection works there. this is a broadcom nic in an HP G5 Blade. |
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| 03:25.58 | rfree | on debian wheezy, what would be the best way to install "dpkg" package in version from sid? |
| 03:26.25 | AsumFace | download the package from eg. pkgs.org |
| 03:26.48 | somiaj | rfree: that sounds very dangerous, why do you want the dpkg package from sid? |
| 03:26.49 | rfree | AsumFace: just by hand and then deb -i it? I would rather take adventage of apt's signatures checking |
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| 03:27.11 | rfree | somiaj: it is required to produce deterministic kernel builds on debian, that I work on |
| 03:27.20 | AsumFace | should work |
| 03:27.23 | somiaj | dpkg from sid will also bring in all the core libs and stuff from sid which may not be compatabale with other packages from wheezy, you do not mix debian versions like that |
| 03:27.23 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, somiaj |
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| 03:27.47 | somiaj | rfree: would building a sid chroot and building inside the chroot for you, that will be far safer. |
| 03:28.06 | somiaj | rfree: you can and will mess your debian isntall up fairly bad by mixing packages from wheezy and sid, espically core ones like dpkg and libc6 |
| 03:28.28 | rfree | somiaj: what would be the easiest way to do that? is that something to be done in few minutes or is that longer |
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| 03:28.46 | somiaj | rfree: there is also a nice packaged called pbuilder that autmoates it, but I haven't used it. |
| 03:29.02 | rfree | somiaj: now the main command to build kernel, is faketime ... fakeroot make-kpkg .... |
| 03:29.48 | rfree | perhpas instead thoes fixes in dpkg/kpkg should be backported to wheezy |
| 03:29.55 | somiaj | rfree: use debootstrap and it will download a sid chroot (takes download time to download the base system) from there you can chroot into what you downloaded and use apt to download any packages you need to build |
| 03:30.36 | somiaj | rfree: this effect the 'make deb-pkg' option inside the modern kernel (I think that is prefered over using tools like make-kpkg anymore) |
| 03:31.12 | somiaj | rfree: also note the package you build inside the sid chroot may not be compadable with installing in wheezy. So if your goal is to compile a kernel to wheezy then yes you will want to backport the fixes or the tools from sid (not install the binary packages) |
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| 03:32.18 | rfree | somiaj: in the chroot even I would probably rather have wheezy and only dpkg from sid. or perhaps we should just backport the dpkg fix that makes it produce identical .deb's given identical files to be packed |
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| 03:33.12 | somiaj | rfree: that is what I would do. I don't know what to expect in the differences between the dpkg version in sid vs wheezy. But if you want to try a simple way, /msg dpkg ssb, that will give you basic instructions to building the sid package in wheezy |
| 03:33.14 | rfree | somiaj: could someone do that? I'm already spreaded thin with other work, and this dpkg is probably last step to accomplishing deterministic linux kernel for debian |
| 03:33.18 | somiaj | then once you build the package, dpkg -i it. |
| 03:33.48 | somiaj | rfree: there are others here that are more connected to teh project than I (I'm just an end user) and you may want to see if they respond to you. |
| 03:33.57 | somiaj | rfree: you could also file a bug at bugs.debian.org |
| 03:34.02 | rfree | somiaj: it undoes the bad idea to have timestamps/uid/etc placed in .deb which make .deb's have other checksum even when created from same input files |
| 03:34.08 | abrotman | rfree: if you pull the dpkg from sid, you'll pull a newer libc6 .. you won't have wheeezy anymore |
| 03:35.42 | rfree | if building this package in wheezy by "ssb" works, could someone then make this easy option for other people, by pushing such version of dpkg into wheezy-backports? |
| 03:35.51 | somiaj | rfree: but you could do a wishlist bug to see if the matianer thinks it is worth backporting that patch. Due to how wheezy is frozen it may not be accepted and you will be left with backporting it yourself. |
| 03:36.02 | rfree | I mean so that other people would not need to repeat this step in order to be able to build deterministic debs |
| 03:36.47 | rfree | hm.. it is kind of security related, not security bug per say, but a needed step to increase binary security of .deb validation |
| 03:37.47 | stew | this is not a bug that would warrant a fix in stable |
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| 03:38.24 | stew | sounds like a bug which would be serverity: normal or wishlist |
| 03:38.25 | rfree | stew: but wheezy-backports seems doable? |
| 03:38.26 | somiaj | I don't think you have to be a matianer to produce a backport, just need one to sponser it. I am unsure if wishlist bugs is the best place to ask for such a thing. |
| 03:39.18 | rfree | stew: my goal is that people could trivially easly build debian kernels into .deb files that are binary identical, almost all is now done, without VMs, nor speciall tools, only dpkg remains :) |
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| 03:40.21 | stew | i don't know enough about what is changed between 1.16.x and 1.17.x in dpkg |
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| 03:40.46 | Hilton | Linux has the most interesting messages sometimes. |
| 03:41.08 | Hilton | "atkbd serio0: Spurious NAK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying to access hardware directly." |
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| 03:43.29 | stew | rfree: why are you bothering to build kernels in the first place? :) |
| 03:44.25 | somiaj | I don't see what the issue with make deb-pkg is anyways, what is wrong the the .debs that builds? |
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| 03:44.56 | stew | he wants to be able to build it twice and end up with an identical .deb |
| 03:45.12 | stew | i'm not sure what the benefit of that is |
| 03:45.23 | rfree | it allows 3rd party to verify if deb really matches the sources |
| 03:46.27 | tomatosalad | haha, some guy didn't like my responses to a thread I made and downvoted every response from me |
| 03:46.30 | tomatosalad | what a sad person |
| 03:46.43 | stew | rfree: you can still verify the md5s of the files in the deb, right? |
| 03:47.36 | stew | i'll bet it has been 10 years since I've compiled a kernel :) |
| 03:47.40 | rfree | most trusted entities and people are in fact targeted, often successfully... NSA -> NIST bribed, RSA bribed, Linus approached, PRISM members and so on. |
| 03:48.01 | rfree | Linux was attacked at very least 2 times: "someone" approached Linus and asked for backdoor, |
| 03:48.21 | rfree | as well as "someone" planted a get-root-from-unprivilaged-process typo in CSV of kernel long ago |
| 03:48.42 | rfree | binary builds of .debs now are single point of failure with NO verification |
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| 03:49.01 | stew | so you don't trust the .debs you get from debian? |
| 03:49.11 | rfree | stew: overall yes, there were some problems even after unpacking the deb, we solved now all of them it seems |
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| 03:49.56 | stew | of course you don't have to fully unpack the deb to check the md5s, right, the md5sums are in the control.tar.gz |
| 03:50.00 | rfree | stew: they are easy target, so users should be able to verify it. Ideally everything, but let's start with most important components. Sadly it requires to trust SOME compilers anyway, but that is a starting point |
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| 03:52.55 | rfree | documented on https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuildsKernel - not yet written there, we solved everything besides finall .deb, which is solved by the upgraded dpkg. Will test that over weekend |
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| 03:55.58 | rfree | stew: in addition compiling kernels in this subproject have the goal to provide debian with grsecurity hardened one. That already works in "beta" version for me for a year, though I wanted people to be able to verify my builds before getting users |
| 03:56.16 | everamzah | how can i add a dns server to connman setup? i'm configuring for manual static ip on wired ethernet. |
| 03:56.39 | stew | rfree: its funny to me that you have this level of paranoia but you are looking for random dudes on irc to build dpkg for you |
| 03:56.41 | tomatosalad | when does support for squeeze die? |
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| 03:57.12 | stew | this is the primary reason that we really need to throw away the .debs which are uploaded and build them all from source on the autobuilders... |
| 03:57.26 | stew | !wheezy |
| 03:57.26 | dpkg | Wheezy is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 7.0, released on 2013-05-04: http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 . Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <release notes> <squeeze->wheezy>. Currently <7.3>. |
| 03:57.41 | stew | tomatosalad: so based on that date ^^^ 2014-05-04 or so |
| 03:57.52 | tomatosalad | aight. |
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| 03:58.29 | rfree | stew: if installing by backport or from sid, then it would be builded by debian.org approved developers, seems good (have to trust someone.) If building from source it would be good to verify checksum of sources of course |
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| 03:59.06 | somiaj | everamzah: do you use /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 04:00.01 | stew | rfree: if you want a backport of dpkg, the dpkg mailing-list is surely the place to go. noone in their right mind is going to upload something like dpkg without it being discussed there first |
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| 04:02.25 | everamzah | somiaj: no i turned that off. |
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| 04:19.22 | tehrabbitt | is the btrfs fs safe to use nowadays?. |
| 04:19.44 | tehrabbitt | i gave up on my laptop install and i'm reinstalling lol |
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| 04:29.30 | tehrabbitt | anyone on tonight? |
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| 04:32.21 | t3soro | tehrabbitt, i've been using it on an encrypted volume with no issues |
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| 04:33.07 | terabit | tehrabbitt: rip off!! |
| 04:33.09 | terabit | :P |
| 04:33.09 | somiaj | everamzah: well depending on how you manage your network is gonna depend on how you configure it. Most things are compatable with the package openresolv or resolvconf as a method to manage your resolv.conf file for name servers. |
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| 04:34.43 | MiStErI0Us | algum brasileiro?? |
| 04:35.46 | tehrabbitt | terabit: haha |
| 04:35.57 | tehrabbitt | t3soro: hm good to know |
| 04:36.02 | everamzah | somiaj: thanks, i'll try that. |
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| 04:36.18 | tehrabbitt | somiaj: you know much about resolv.conf? lol |
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| 04:37.02 | entiat_blues | so here's a weird one. i think xrandr is detecting my onboard vga as a disconnected CRT and i cant get any output on it. but the monitor definitely works; it displays the last few commands from TTY1 when rebooting |
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| 04:39.04 | wwhioaio | I have an Epson WF-2530 (http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModule) and I'm trying to install the package "iscan-network-nt_1.1.1-1_i386.deb". Package Installer is saying "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: iscan (>= 2.29.3) |
| 04:39.07 | wwhioaio | Printing works fine, but I would like to be able to scan |
| 04:39.46 | wwhioaio | WF-2530 Series |
| 04:39.46 | wwhioaio | Scanner Driver Linux |
| 04:39.46 | wwhioaio | Ver. 2.29.3/1.26.0 core package&data package All language |
| 04:39.46 | wwhioaio | 12-26-2013 |
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| 04:39.51 | wwhioaio | sorry |
| 04:40.08 | wwhioaio | http://pastebin.com/1e1dRNZL |
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| 05:00.49 | stew | judd: versions iscan |
| 05:00.50 | judd | No package named 'iscan' was found in i386. |
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| 05:11.27 | tehrabbitt | okay, so I have a fresh install of debian stable on my netbook... I have ipv4 and ipv6 on my local network... for some reason, resolv.conf is ONLY showing ipv6 and does not populate ipv4 dns info... I add it, it gets overwritten by dhcpd. i add it to dhcpd, it gets added to resolv.conf, but then gets overwritten again with just ipv5... |
| 05:11.32 | tehrabbitt | ipv6* |
| 05:12.44 | Orionid | Hey guys, hopefully quick question. Running Wheezy amd64 and been trying to find a way to get libfaac-dev/libfaac0 installed. I can't seem to locate it in the repos. Try manually downloading a the .debs from jessie, but libc version problems. Any idea if there's a place to get it? |
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| 05:15.13 | Thraul | have you tried installing the deb-multimedia sources? |
| 05:15.18 | casualuse | You know what's nice? |
| 05:15.37 | casualuse | when you learn something once, and can come back to it year after year |
| 05:15.43 | Thraul | libfaac-dev - AAC audio encoder - devel files. |
| 05:15.43 | Thraul | libfaac0 - AAC audio encoder - library files. |
| 05:15.43 | Thraul | Both library are available for me - apt-cache search faac |
| 05:15.44 | Orionid | Thraul: I'm attempting to compile MythTV from source and was trying to avoid the deb-multimedia sources. |
| 05:15.51 | Thraul | ah okies |
| 05:15.52 | casualuse | you learn something that works, and it's fine |
| 05:16.03 | casualuse | this is why System V Init is they way to go. |
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| 05:16.12 | casualuse | we do not need a new init system |
| 05:16.21 | everamzah | ---E |
| 05:16.24 | casualuse | we do not need software monoculture in linux. |
| 05:16.35 | casualuse | we do not need systemd. |
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| 05:17.03 | casualuse | nor do we need any wheel lennart decideds to reinvent |
| 05:17.10 | Orionid | Thraul: However! Perhaps I can download them directly from the repos and not have to add the repos to sources. |
| 05:17.27 | casualuse | (btw: anyone who disagrees with lennart "needs to see a psychaitrist") |
| 05:17.28 | Thraul | yeah thats one way to get around it |
| 05:17.38 | casualuse | lennart reminds me of a former friend I knew |
| 05:18.13 | casualuse | if he didn't get what he wanted, you needed to see a psychaitrist, and if he really didn't get what he wanted, he threatens to call the cops |
| 05:18.19 | casualuse | (called the cops on his dad too) |
| 05:18.31 | casualuse | he and lennart use the same style of argument. |
| 05:18.40 | casualuse | and kinda have the same build |
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| 05:18.49 | casualuse | and need to be /in control/ |
| 05:19.01 | casualuse | please say no to systemd |
| 05:19.19 | everamzah | so i just installed systemd. boots fast why is that... |
| 05:19.34 | casualuse | just because everyone else is following redhat off some cliff doesn't mean all debian users must be forced too |
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| 05:19.49 | everamzah | plus that systemadm gui is nifty |
| 05:19.50 | casualuse | everamzah: you must be a windows user if you reboot your computer much |
| 05:19.55 | casualuse | omg gui |
| 05:19.59 | Thraul | what cliff is that casualuse ? |
| 05:20.05 | everamzah | well i had to reboot it to install debian |
| 05:20.19 | casualuse | Thraul: security for one |
| 05:20.23 | casualuse | stability |
| 05:20.25 | casualuse | systemd is huge |
| 05:20.28 | everamzah | and i had to use CLI because the gui was confusing. it was still nifty though |
| 05:20.30 | casualuse | does more than one thing |
| 05:20.34 | casualuse | is worthless. |
| 05:20.48 | casualuse | and is completely anti-unix |
| 05:20.56 | Thraul | i dont have systemd install |
| 05:20.57 | everamzah | X is big |
| 05:21.13 | casualuse | it's just like windows. binary crap (logs), takes over the whole system (does everything) |
| 05:21.20 | casualuse | it's basically a kernel under the kernel |
| 05:21.36 | casualuse | because some faggot jackass needs to be a demigod (lennart) |
| 05:21.38 | Orionid | Thraul: It worked. Thanks for the chat. |
| 05:21.55 | Thraul | i built my linux desktop from the ground up. installed a system base then just apt-get the packages i wanted (xorg, openbox and the x11 apps) |
| 05:22.04 | Thraul | Orionid: nice well done |
| 05:22.30 | casualuse | hopefully sysvinit will be part of a system base in the future |
| 05:22.43 | casualuse | lennarts opinion is that we MUST use his crap |
| 05:22.44 | everamzah | perhaps debian will become so universal that it implodes |
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| 05:23.25 | casualuse | things that worked forever are now the "Wrong way, and always have been" because of the new-fangled garbage in his and his followers heads |
| 05:23.52 | casualuse | they have mailinglists in there, and we should have been reading them somehow |
| 05:23.54 | |oop | let it all out man |
| 05:24.01 | casualuse | get with the times neckbeards etc |
| 05:24.04 | casualuse | anything old is bad |
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| 05:24.13 | casualuse | don't trust anyone over 24 and a half! |
| 05:24.19 | |oop | out with the bad energy in with the good energy |
| 05:24.27 | casualuse | fuck lennart |
| 05:24.37 | casualuse | fuck his garbage |
| 05:24.54 | casualuse | lennart is about control |
| 05:25.02 | casualuse | he should have gone into politics |
| 05:25.26 | casualuse | but instead he decided to use programs to land grab and corall people |
| 05:25.43 | casualuse | he made 40 useless programs that solved allready solved problems! |
| 05:25.53 | casualuse | and we all better damn well fucking use them |
| 05:25.59 | casualuse | or else it's our carrers |
| 05:26.26 | casualuse | better be sucking lennarts dick, be on his train, or he'll make sure if you don't pay attention all your knowlege is obsolete |
| 05:26.53 | casualuse | ALL EYES ON LENNART POTTERING and whatever him and his shit eating grinning mouth is upchucking this year |
| 05:27.00 | casualuse | that's what it's about |
| 05:27.17 | zinx | must still be sunday during the holidays |
| 05:27.20 | casualuse | pulseaudio is garbage, we have alsa that does all that needs doing. |
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| 05:27.26 | |oop | must be friday. |
| 05:27.41 | |oop | similar thinking |
| 05:27.49 | casualuse | systemd is another fucking landgrab do everything look at me I'm autistic lennart! |
| 05:27.56 | Thraul | |oop no its saturady afternoon here :P |
| 05:28.13 | |oop | you could say he an autist then, yes? |
| 05:28.17 | casualuse | I hope debian doesn't mandate it. |
| 05:28.32 | casualuse | |oop: he's a jackass fuck. |
| 05:28.55 | casualuse | he's a programmer only because that's the way he can get the most attention. |
| 05:29.18 | casualuse | he wasn't able to aquire a following in any other field. |
| 05:29.27 | casualuse | but he's a supahstar here! |
| 05:29.41 | |oop | right so who is he... |
| 05:29.43 | jordanm | !ops casualuse trolling |
| 05:29.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jordanm complains about: casualuse trolling |
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| 05:30.07 | casualuse | |oop: go read how he talks to other people. |
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| 05:30.58 | jordanm | thanks |
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| 05:31.25 | |oop | i wonder what that kid is going to do once he reaches the age of 25 |
| 05:31.35 | |oop | maybe hell implode |
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| 05:32.14 | mentor | People really don't like change, do they? |
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| 05:32.38 | DrakkenWarr | not really mentor for some reason |
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| 05:33.15 | jordanm | we do spend a good deal of time learning how things work a certain way, so change does impose work on the users |
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| 05:33.21 | jordanm | change can be for the best though |
| 05:33.32 | mentor | Yes, but that is to be expected and accounted for |
| 05:33.41 | ectospasm | heh, even apt was new at some point |
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| 05:37.08 | tomatosalad | So, uh, my grandmother is using linux and loving it |
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| 05:37.36 | DrakkenWarr | nice tomatosalad |
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| 05:42.14 | Hilton | is "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.100" sufficient to set a permanent static IP on my local router, or did I miss something? |
| 05:42.56 | Hilton | Do I need to disable DHCP or anything to prevent it from changing on future "startups" (this is in a VirtualBox) ? |
| 05:43.13 | jordanm | not unless your router is running some other unix |
| 05:44.02 | jordanm | Hilton: in debian static IPs are configured (by default) in /etc/network/interfaces. see man interfaces |
| 05:44.21 | jordanm | Hilton: you will want to kill dhcp if there is a dhcp client process currently running on the box |
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| 05:44.44 | Hilton | Okay. That command DOES seem to have set my IP to that, all working, but I had no idea if it would maintain. :P |
| 05:45.12 | klaxa | won't "survive" a reboot, put that in /etc/network/interfaces like jordanm stated |
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| 05:47.12 | mentor | Hilton: ifconfig does not make the configuration persistent |
| 05:50.21 | Hilton | Actually I'm going to look into whether there's a way to set up a local loopback to the guest Vbox OS so that it will work no matter where I am ... |
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| 05:50.58 | Hilton | The routers at work or public hotspots may take less kindly to a static setup, and I'd like it to always work the same... |
| 05:51.13 | microm | I ran debuild on canon's printer driver download and I one of the errors is E: cndrvcups-common: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath usr/bin/cngplp /usr/local/lib |
| 05:51.28 | microm | how do I fix it? |
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| 05:58.24 | jordanm | microm: http://lintian.debian.org/tags/binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath.html |
| 05:59.17 | jordanm | microm: by patching the build system, but I wouldn't bother unless you are doing work with the intent of uploading to the debian archive |
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| 06:01.05 | microm | is it a real error though? |
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| 06:02.40 | microm | the reason I want an "official" build is to be able to install this newer driver in the right place instead of in /usr/local (cups cannot find it there) |
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| 06:04.20 | microm | and also this problem: gpg: skipped "Canon Inc. <sup-debian@list.canon.co.jp>": secret key not available |
| 06:04.53 | microm | I do have my own gpg keys, but how do I get the Canon Inc. one??? |
| 06:05.17 | jordanm | microm: doesn't cups let you manually specify a ppm file when setting up the printer? |
| 06:05.52 | jordanm | microm: there is no reason to use debuild or sign packages. use dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc for local package builds |
| 06:06.46 | microm | jordanm: yes, but a filter needs to be installed as well |
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| 06:09.12 | microm | This is out of date https://launchpad.net/~auanswers/+archive/canon64/ and since I know the toolchain a little bit, I figured I'd contribute something back, but usign debuild is new to me |
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| 06:19.27 | microm | The other reason I don't want to install "uncontrolled" files is that I don't want to pollute my system with rogue installations. |
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| 06:21.35 | jordanm | microm: makes sense, I fill my homedir up with rogue installations but never outside of that |
| 06:21.44 | jordanm | microm: did dpkg-buildpacke -us -uc work? |
| 06:21.51 | microm | jordanm: yes it did |
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| 06:21.56 | jordanm | awesome |
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| 06:26.25 | microm | I'll come back tomorrow, it's getting late, I think I am very close, and that it may help others if I do it right. |
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| 06:34.30 | veek | how do i install debian-full.iso from a USB - i've tried YUMI and i get it's syslinux prompt and then can move to the debian install screen but when i select install.. it just does nothing |
| 06:34.53 | Thraul | are you makeing the USB from windows or linux? |
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| 06:35.42 | veek | windows |
| 06:35.54 | Thraul | use unetbooin? |
| 06:36.21 | veek | that is the YUMI app runs in windows and takes my iso and processes it and creates a bootable USB |
| 06:37.03 | veek | it uses syslinux on the MBR of the USB and then chainloads in some fashion the debian GRUB install screen thingy |
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| 06:39.19 | guest442 | format your USB to fat32 and use unetbootin to make your debian installer |
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| 06:39.50 | DrakkenWarr | agreed with guest442 |
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| 06:41.54 | veek | okay let me try |
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| 06:43.23 | veek | what should i set since this isn't a netinstall - "Stable_HdMedia"? |
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| 06:43.43 | guest442 | veek: do you have the ISO already? |
| 06:43.58 | veek | yes.. i fed that to YUMI etc |
| 06:44.00 | guest442 | if so select the ISO from your hard drive. |
| 06:44.42 | veek | done that but under "Distribution" what do i set |
| 06:44.44 | guest442 | select diskimage and browse your hard drive for the ISO. |
| 06:45.18 | guest442 | if you are using the ISO 'diskimage' you do not 'distribution' |
| 06:45.22 | guest442 | its one or the other. |
| 06:45.40 | veek | ah! thanks |
| 06:46.00 | guest442 | just select diskimage and leave distribution alone. you are telling unetbootn that you have the ISO. just go look for it once that option is selected |
| 06:46.10 | guest442 | you are welcome. |
| 06:46.23 | stew | wait, why would anyone use unetbootin? |
| 06:46.40 | guest442 | make a USB debian installer. |
| 06:46.42 | stew | is there a reason to use that now that we have hybrid isos? |
| 06:47.08 | veek | the hybrid iso only works with netinst i think |
| 06:47.11 | stew | guest442: that's not needed since squeeze, right? |
| 06:47.20 | stew | veek: no |
| 06:47.39 | veek | is there a doc that explains this stuff? what's going on inside it |
| 06:47.41 | stew | veek: all the debian iso are hybrid isos |
| 06:47.42 | guest442 | veek: was asking about debian usb install. |
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| 06:48.01 | veek | if it's a hybrid i think you can just dd |
| 06:48.06 | stew | guest442: what do you mean by debian usb install |
| 06:48.06 | veek | to the USB.. |
| 06:48.21 | stew | or just cp, or cat, no reason to use dd |
| 06:48.34 | veek | the hybrid has an MBR which won't be on the normal ISO?? |
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| 06:48.56 | guest442 | stew: scroll up and read veek's msg. |
| 06:49.04 | veek | stew but if you cp/cat then what about the MBR? |
| 06:49.06 | stew | guest442: which msg? |
| 06:49.20 | stew | veek: cp/cat will include the MBR |
| 06:49.31 | veek | ah /dev/sda.. okay |
| 06:50.15 | stew | there is no reason to use dd instead of cp or cat unless you are using one of the dd options to limit which bytes you copy like seek,skip,limit or if you use one of the dd options to mangle the bytes |
| 06:51.10 | veek | okay any way to get MULTIBOOT working? debian.iso fedora.iso etc all from one USB |
| 06:51.37 | guest442 | i hear yumi is one way i have not tried it. |
| 06:51.58 | veek | also is there a way to determine if an iso has the MBR by looking inside it |
| 06:52.08 | veek | ah i'm trying YUMI borked |
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| 06:54.51 | stew | veek: you can look at older versions of the install guide that walk you through how to setup a usb drive with partitions which described this as "the flexible way" or so |
| 06:55.21 | stew | veek: this won't tell you how to setup other installers specifically, but tells you how to have partitions on a usb disk which syslinux boots |
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| 06:57.12 | veek | in unetbootin why does the USB have to be formatted FAT? after all linux.iso uses grub and not FAT .. |
| 06:57.41 | veek | won't the grub loader have a problem |
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| 06:58.42 | stew | i don't think there is any good reason to use unetbootin |
| 06:59.27 | stew | grub is a bootloader and FAT is a filessytem. i'm not sure how "grub and not FAT" makes sense |
| 07:00.12 | veek | well grub loads the kernel and that exists on a fs.. so grub has to be able to read the kernel from the fs |
| 07:00.33 | veek | are there any docs on this stff |
| 07:00.34 | stew | i believe that the hybrid isos use both grub and fat |
| 07:01.07 | stew | grub would be loading the kernel from an iso9660 i assume |
| 07:01.21 | tomatosalad | why does knoppix insist on compiz and crap? I'm trying to recover files from this crap machine! |
| 07:01.38 | stew | tomatosalad: ask #knoppix |
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| 07:03.27 | tomatosalad | stew: oh, sorry, wrong channel |
| 07:03.33 | tomatosalad | stew: thought I was in ##linux :P |
| 07:05.27 | stew | heh, last "stable" release of compiz was in 2011 |
| 07:06.04 | stew | i think one can assume that their subsequent "development" release in 2012 is also stable |
| 07:06.11 | stew | fsvo "stable" |
| 07:06.18 | jordanm | kwin, metacity, xfwm4, etc all support compisiting so the need for it died off |
| 07:07.06 | stew | DO THEY HAVE A CUBE? |
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| 07:07.21 | stew | i can't help but read compositing as composting |
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| 07:32.54 | devios | when i installed debian, i chose the encrpyted disk option - im prompted for a password at boot. i have a 2nd drive in this laptop. how do i make that /storage or similar, and also encrypt that and have it mounted at boot like the primary drive |
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| 07:42.20 | tomatosalad | ...is there a way to use ndiswrapper during a debian install? |
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| 07:43.16 | pero | anyone have an idea why my laptop's fans run a lot lounder on xubuntu than debian xfce with just chromium open? |
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| 07:48.16 | boudiccas | does reportbug store copies of emails that it sent anywhere please? i reported a bug with emacs-snapshot recently but havent heard back that its been recieved |
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| 07:55.34 | tehrabbitt | hm, any reason I can't get the USB boot image to read the ISO file i put on it? |
| 07:55.48 | tehrabbitt | it scans the hard drives for the ISO image, but it can't find the ISO |
| 07:56.45 | tehrabbitt | lol |
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| 07:57.56 | ^^^^^^^^^ | maybe it uses squash fs |
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| 08:05.24 | tomatosalad | Hey, I'm getting the "An attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from the CD failed message," but on a CD, not USB. what's going on? Also, this is my second attempt, the first attempt I tried to go on and grub wouldn't install |
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| 08:07.12 | bullgard4 | Where is the function (role) of the Iceweasel thumbnails in ~/.mozilla/firefox /<foo>.default/thumbnails/ explained? |
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| 08:08.17 | Deeps | tomatosalad: sounds like it may be a faulty CD / burn. might be worth burning it again. checksum the ISO (md5/sha1) before you do it again as well to ensure that the iso itself wasn't corrupted at download time |
| 08:08.23 | tomatosalad | hm, ok |
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| 08:10.50 | tonph | hey guys need a help, I recently have encrypted a usb drive using truecrypt but after the encryption, I m not able to mount it...:( |
| 08:11.09 | tonph | any one knows how to mount that please do share that... thanks |
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| 08:17.19 | Gromgull | am I crazy, shouldn't there be something here: http://packages.debian.org/jessie/nginx-full ? |
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| 08:22.19 | anton02 | i booted a linux live disk then ran zpool create, copied 3TB of data to the drive then shutdown the live OS. |
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| 08:22.47 | bullgard4 | pero: If you are using a Thinkpad computer or similar from IBM or lenovo, please read the contents /of proc/acpi/ibm/fan of both operating systems (distributions) and compare. YMMV if your computer maker is another one. |
| 08:23.13 | bullgard4 | s//of/of/ |
| 08:23.23 | pero | bullgard4: dell xps |
| 08:23.33 | anton02 | so how screwed am i? |
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| 08:24.49 | bullgard4 | pero: I don't know much about Dell hardware drivers. |
| 08:25.03 | tonph | :) |
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| 08:25.14 | pero | np; thx anyway |
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| 08:47.28 | tomatosalad | hey, is it possible to install wireless usb drivers at install and use it to download packages? |
| 08:49.07 | tonph | mounting truecrypt encrypted usb drive is a menace :( |
| 08:49.13 | tonph | inwheezy |
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| 08:50.25 | phix | tonph: dm / cryptsetup doesn't have support yet? or does it need to be the other way around? |
| 08:50.39 | phix | (truecrypt havingsupport for dm / cryptsetup) |
| 08:50.59 | Penix | tomatosalad: yes |
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| 08:51.08 | tomatosalad | Penix: ...how? |
| 08:51.21 | tonph | phix: am still wondering how to mount tou i have created the usb drive with truecrypt :( |
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| 08:51.59 | phix | tonph: I see, the mount command doesn't work? |
| 08:52.28 | ompaul | !firmware |
| 08:52.29 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 08:52.31 | tonph | yeah ... the usb is not visible when i insert it... |
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| 08:53.24 | phix | DFSG is a bit anal though, but I understand where Debian is coming from |
| 08:54.01 | tonph | any help in order to mount this ? |
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| 08:55.25 | ompaul | tonph: nothing a little google couldn't help with ;-) http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/mount-truecrypt-partition-under-linux-931953/ |
| 08:55.38 | ompaul | tonph: I presume you have truecrypt installed on the box |
| 08:55.55 | tonph | ompaul: yeah i have |
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| 09:36.09 | tomatosalad | is there a way to download a deb package and its dependencies all together, but not install them/not with apt? I need to put them on a usb drive |
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| 09:37.27 | Penix | tomatosalad: --download-only |
| 09:37.38 | tomatosalad | I don't have apt on the box I have to download them on |
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| 09:38.12 | Penix | tomatosalad: have fun then |
| 09:38.17 | tomatosalad | gah. |
| 09:38.23 | tomatosalad | ok, then other question |
| 09:38.27 | tomatosalad | ...any idea why the networkmanager applet would disconnect immediately after clicking a network? |
| 09:38.33 | tomatosalad | in xfce |
| 09:38.35 | Penix | nope |
| 09:39.00 | Penix | tomatosalad: find out where networkmanager logs its error output |
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| 10:08.03 | maxiaojun | i wonder why "apt-get update" estimate total percentage so badly |
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| 10:16.31 | mentor | maxiaojun: Because it doesn't know until it starts downloading each file? |
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| 10:18.15 | maxiaojun | so what is the estimation really doing? it always looks almost finished and then next file takes forever |
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| 10:19.30 | mentor | maxiaojun: Well, obviously it's always almost finished until the next file |
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| 10:19.54 | mentor | It does |
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| 11:03.44 | jmd | Hello. I've just got a new computer with debian installed. How do I set up the wifi? |
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| 11:06.42 | nannes | I had the bad idea of installing perl from repositories |
| 11:07.17 | nannes | I've got a Wheezy minimal installation |
| 11:07.39 | nannes | and now some packages try installing themselves into /var/lib/gems/ |
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| 11:07.47 | nannes | thing that shouldn't happen |
| 11:08.09 | nannes | they should install themselves in a local issue, a per-user basis |
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| 11:32.44 | pkug | Hi there, can somebody remind how to modify LSB initscript to automatically start after Xorg ? |
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| 11:35.49 | jerng_ | hi all! I need an smtp server software. The only functionality which i need is to be able to receive mail and pass this mail to either msmtp or procmail. Is exim the tool I need? or is there a less bloated alternative? Thanks! |
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| 11:36.16 | cem363 | i have 3 server 1 is LB and 2 clusters, i want to use same mysql db, but i didnt find any document related with it, can you pls help me about where i should look, what words i need to search? (i install mysqlserver and i can connect via shell but i want to connect with nginx/php) |
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| 11:48.21 | derknecht | I need a software for inventory management for my company. Best would be a solution that is meant for computer as well as other non technical stuff. Any recommendations? Thx |
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| 11:49.53 | derknecht | jmd, https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 12:02.11 | mhall | derknecht: ecommerce kind of inventory or accounting type of thing |
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| 12:13.03 | jmd | How do I make apt aware of the necessary package keys? |
| 12:13.56 | graymalkin | apt-key ? |
| 12:14.27 | babilen | jmd: What are you referring to? You shouldn't have to deal with repository signing keys at all if you stick to official repositories. Using unofficial third-party repos is neither recommended nor supported, but we would still require a lot more information than you provided. |
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| 12:15.17 | jmd | babilen: It would seem you are mistaken. |
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| 12:15.47 | jmd | apt-get update (from the official repository) wants to verify a signature. |
| 12:15.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell jmd -about bat |
| 12:15.59 | jmd | For that, of course, it requires the key. |
| 12:16.32 | babilen | jmd: Throw in "apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring" too |
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| 12:21.43 | LeShadow | so I have a question, I want to install debian from an USB stick (as my desktop lacks a CD/DVD-player), what image should I use for this? the netinst.iso or another one? |
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| 12:27.07 | xand | LeShadow: yes you can use that one |
| 12:27.38 | LeShadow | now here's the thing, if I "burn" that iso to an USB stick and I boot from it, my comp says No operation system found. |
| 12:27.45 | LeShadow | xand is there anything I'm doing wrong? |
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| 12:28.03 | LeShadow | (I formatted the USB to fat32 an used isotousb as a tool to burn that iso) |
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| 12:30.24 | xand | LeShadow: yes |
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| 12:30.42 | xand | LeShadow: what OS are you using to make the USB stick? |
| 12:30.47 | jmd` | When doing apt-get dist-upgrade I get lots of dependency errors, such as: |
| 12:30.58 | LeShadow | xand, i'm using Windows atm |
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| 12:31.09 | xand | LeShadow: oh, I'm not sure how you'd do it on that |
| 12:31.40 | jmd` | aptitude-common: Breaks: aptitude (< 0.6.8-1) but 0.4.10-1+b1 is to be installed |
| 12:32.06 | jmd` | How do I resolve these? |
| 12:32.08 | LeShadow | xand what would be the correct things to do if I were to do it from a linux laptop? |
| 12:32.14 | jelly-home | jmd`: use a pastebin site, like http://paste.debian.net/ to show the output of your commands, include the whole command and the full output, and follow all the other stuff dpkg bot told you in private |
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| 12:32.25 | Mikaela | LeShadow: Have you tried unetbootin? http://unetbootin.sf.net/ |
| 12:32.29 | xand | LeShadow: cat netinst.iso > /dev/sdx |
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| 12:32.45 | Mikaela | Windows has cat? |
| 12:32.51 | xand | unetbootin is not recommended |
| 12:32.58 | jmd` | jelly-home: It's rather difficult to do that until I have the problem fixed, isn't it? |
| 12:33.03 | LeShadow | Mikaela I'll try again but for all I know that failed multiple times here already in the past :/ |
| 12:33.05 | xand | !win32diskimager |
| 12:33.06 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks. (But if you have linux already, then you don't need either; ask me about <usb install>). |
| 12:33.09 | Mikaela | Win32 Iso tools then. |
| 12:33.12 | xand | LeShadow: use that |
| 12:33.13 | Mikaela | I mean that. |
| 12:33.24 | jelly-home | jmd`: oh, you don't have a wired network instead? |
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| 12:34.18 | jelly-home | jmd`: I guess you'll have to use usb sticks to carry the output over to a connected machine then, yes |
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| 12:34.48 | LeShadow | Mikaela thanks, I'll try |
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| 12:37.11 | tremon | jmd`: aptitude 0.4.10 is not from any debian release. Etch shipped with 0.4.4, lenny with 0.4.11 |
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| 12:38.27 | jelly-home | jmd`: how did you install debian? |
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| 12:40.10 | psycheye | hi all |
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| 12:41.17 | psycheye | I've a strange problem (MTU problem?) |
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| 12:41.37 | psycheye | debian 7 as gateway, eth0 --> router --> internet, eth1 lan |
| 12:42.06 | psycheye | clients connected has these problems: loading of web page, sometimes goes ok, sometimes is slow |
| 12:42.19 | LeShadow | it actually worked with unetbootin this time xand and Mikaela |
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| 12:42.28 | psycheye | I've checked dns, routing and iptables too |
| 12:42.35 | Mikaela | You're welcome :) |
| 12:42.53 | psycheye | any idea? |
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| 12:49.09 | LeShadow | Thanks Mikaela <3 |
| 12:49.11 | LeShadow | and xand |
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| 12:57.02 | jmd | Here is my paste: http://paste.lisp.org/display/140781 |
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| 12:57.19 | jmd | Can someone tell me how to resolve this issue? |
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| 12:59.03 | ompaul | jmd: care to restate the question, I wasn't here for it. Not saying I can answer but maybe. |
| 12:59.07 | tremon | jmd: didn't dpkg ask you for the output of apt-cache policy as well? |
| 12:59.12 | ompaul | ahh]# |
| 12:59.14 | tremon | if not, I'd like to see it |
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| 12:59.18 | ompaul | !bat |
| 12:59.19 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 12:59.58 | dontknow | does debian come with libre kernel by default? |
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| 13:00.09 | tremon | no, it uses the linux kernel |
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| 13:00.39 | dontknow | :( |
| 13:00.47 | ompaul | dontknow: it doesn't have the direct non free firmware included - your call |
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| 13:01.11 | v4nelle | guys on debian can i have 2 screens with different resolution,which will show the same things? |
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| 13:01.21 | dontknow | ompaul, so it doesn't have blobs, right? |
| 13:01.58 | tremon | v4nelle: I don't think so, that would require output scaling on mirrored screens. I don't think anything can do that |
| 13:02.16 | ompaul | dontknow: they all have blobs, it has available to it firmware-linux which is free (according to the dfsg) |
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| 13:02.51 | ompaul | dontknow: but blobs with no source are not there by default, if you want to compare the two it would be nice of you to document it somewhere easy to read. |
| 13:02.53 | jmd | tremon: Ok I pasted apt-cache policy too. |
| 13:03.06 | ompaul | jmd: what is the url? |
| 13:03.39 | jmd | <jmd> Here is my paste: http://paste.lisp.org/display/140781 [20:57] |
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| 13:04.40 | ompaul | jmd: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list please |
| 13:04.48 | tremon | jmd: your system is seriously broken. You're running packages that are older than the latest lenny, but those packages are not in any apt source. In order for you to upgrade that system, you'd have to: |
| 13:04.58 | tremon | a) add the etch sources, run a full dist-upgrade to make sure you're not running anything prehistoric |
| 13:05.09 | tremon | b) changes sources to lenny, run a full dist-upgrade |
| 13:05.09 | ompaul | ,v aptitude-common |
| 13:05.10 | judd | Package: aptitude-common on i386 -- wheezy: 0.6.8.2-1; jessie: 0.6.8.2-1.2; sid: 0.6.8.2-1.2 |
| 13:05.23 | tremon | c) changes sources to squeeze, run a full dist-upgrade |
| 13:05.30 | tremon | d) change sources to wheezy, run a full dist-upgrade again |
| 13:05.42 | tremon | not to mention read all release notes in between |
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| 13:06.02 | ompaul | jmd: the only sensible (unless it is a vps) way out of where you are given how crazy that result is, back up your data, fresh install, rebuild |
| 13:06.55 | ompaul | the time to download the various versions, and hope that nothing breaks along the way vs a clean install - quite a lot tbh |
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| 13:07.29 | ompaul | based on the assumption that is a straight forward desktop / laptop not some funky nas or some such |
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| 13:08.04 | ompaul | it also can be a straight forward server |
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| 13:09.18 | rutger | Hi, does anyone know how to debug the boot process of debian? It hangs at "Setting kernel variables" as lxc guest at the moment. I know it is due to the network settings, as I do not set lxc.network.* params. Squeeze and ubuntu works fine. |
| 13:10.25 | ompaul | squeeze is debian so what is it you are saying - wheezy or something else? |
| 13:10.48 | ompaul | and what install media are you using? |
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| 13:10.50 | rutger | Oh sorry, yes Wheezy has some troubles. I know the network initializes after setting the kernel vars. |
| 13:10.55 | rutger | debootstrap |
| 13:11.20 | rutger | Just the standard lxc-debian template with SUITE=wheezy which ships with ubuntu's lxc package. |
| 13:11.57 | jmd | rutger: The only way I know of is to put diagnostics in the /etc/init.d/* scripts |
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| 13:12.01 | tremon | rutger: I'm not sure how lxc boots, does it boot its own kernel or is it only a userland container? |
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| 13:13.28 | rutger | I think they share the kernel. I had put some echo "..." in /etc/init.d/networking, but it does not run I think. |
| 13:13.31 | ompaul | jmd: please read - not good news https://wiki.debian.org/LXC |
| 13:13.45 | ompaul | The Debian 7 template is broken (see RootFS creation below) |
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| 13:15.47 | tremon | rutger: the "normal" way to debug the boot process is to boot with init=/bin/sh, then run the scripts in rcS.d and rc2.d manually. Maybe you can tell lxc to run /bin/sh instead of init too |
| 13:15.59 | ompaul | tremon: the wiki says - can't work |
| 13:16.05 | ompaul | not saying you can't debug it |
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| 13:16.55 | dutchfish | rutger, i do not know the exact couse, with dhcp i have seen the same problem on one of my own expiriments, i solved it with a fixed address configuration, but you can delve into it while enabling kernel logging, see the kernel docs. |
| 13:16.58 | rutger | So the only workaround is to use squeeze? Wheezy works with setting up a bridge and using network.link param. |
| 13:17.08 | tremon | I'm browsing the page, but from "some problems with the template" I can't deduce what will and will not work. So I'm just fielding some pointers |
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| 13:17.24 | tensorpudding | Is there a way to get a supported video driver for Radeon HD 8xxx video in Debian? |
| 13:17.25 | derknecht | mhall, accounting type of thing |
| 13:17.38 | ompaul | rutger: I'd install squeeze - back it up then try to do a dist-upgrade (but that is me) |
| 13:18.12 | tensorpudding | The radeon driver doesn't list support for it, and the Catalyst driver in wheezy is too old, while it's been removed in later releases due to an xserver incompatibility. |
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| 13:18.30 | rutger | ompaul: that breaks things again. Maybe I can create a bug with the zfs diff? |
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| 13:19.10 | ompaul | rutger: you can certainly find and add to the bug report, other than that a working choice would be to use kvm |
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| 13:22.14 | tremon | tensorpudding: I don't think we have a solution for you -- no newer driver exists in backports either. You could try installing linux-image and firmware-linux-nonfree from backports, but if the radeon video driver doesn't recognize it, that probably won't be enough |
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| 13:22.38 | hkr | hi |
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| 13:22.56 | hkr | i get grub error unknow filesystem when I try to install debian |
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| 13:23.06 | hkr | (dual boot w/ windows) |
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| 13:25.06 | tensorpudding | Meh, this is really unfortunate. Higher-end AMD APU support seems really lacking in Linux right now. |
| 13:25.19 | rutger | ompaul: do you know the EOL of squeeze? |
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| 13:25.44 | tensorpudding | Trying to opt for an Intel system instead of AMD is going to really increase the cost of the build. |
| 13:26.03 | ompaul | rutger: very soon, May iirc so it would be worth trying the Dist-upgrade but you seem to ting that is going to fail, but kvm will be around long enough for you to get it up and runing |
| 13:26.09 | ompaul | running even |
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| 13:27.08 | tensorpudding | Does Haswell's integrated GPU have good support in Debian? |
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| 13:27.37 | hkr | tensorpudding: I wouldn't call it good |
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| 13:28.01 | hkr | nvidia is pretty much the only one you can get good support for deb/ubuntu |
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| 13:28.38 | tensorpudding | I'm not going to buy a discrete video card just for that... |
| 13:28.52 | hkr | well, it is usable i guess |
| 13:29.01 | hkr | wont get much problems |
| 13:29.06 | tensorpudding | Can you watch 1080p video on it? |
| 13:29.09 | tremon | debian wheezy probably has the same issue with intel, not supporting the newest devices. But that's just my expectation, I don't have one |
| 13:29.12 | tensorpudding | I'm not looking for gaming here. |
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| 13:29.20 | hkr | I take it you're not into gaming or rendering |
| 13:29.40 | hkr | yes, it should support 1080p. |
| 13:30.09 | Akanone | Greetings yall; is there anyone with unix skills to enlight me on something? |
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| 13:30.33 | hkr | Akanone, ask and ye shall be answered |
| 13:30.43 | hkr | (not by me ... ) |
| 13:31.27 | tremon | Akanone: killall on solaris boxen does not what you want it to do |
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| 13:35.06 | Akanone | iI've runned into an issue on my dedicated server, all libraries got messed up and when chroot from recovery mode i get an error related with " __vdso_time". Got tired of hammering, made a backup of all the virtualbox's on /dev/sdb, and now i want to reinstall the whole debian system on /dev/sda4, is there an easy way to rebuild the system and/or l |
| 13:35.06 | Akanone | ibrary? |
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| 13:37.42 | hkr | Is there any way to get an rpm from a deb file ? |
| 13:38.13 | Mikaela | hkr: There is alien, but it's usually not recommended. |
| 13:38.24 | tremon | Akanone: that sounds like you're mixing multiple libc versions. Reinstall is probably easier |
| 13:38.37 | hkr | I need pppoeconf in rpm |
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| 13:39.01 | xand | debian doesn't use rpms so |
| 13:39.10 | tremon | hkr: alien can convert rpm to deb, maybe it does the other way too |
| 13:39.13 | xand | go ask in the right channel for your distro :) |
| 13:39.20 | hkr | sorry... i'll ask :\ |
| 13:39.27 | daemonkeeper | alien |
| 13:39.39 | tremon | !tell Akanone about debian clone |
| 13:39.41 | ompaul | daemonkeeper: wrong way? |
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| 13:39.56 | tremon | !tell Akanone about aptitude clone |
| 13:40.17 | daemonkeeper | ompaul: Well. Details. If it works in one direction it can't be that hard in the other :> |
| 13:40.40 | ompaul | ;-) |
| 13:40.44 | Akanone | tremon: thank you for the feedback; and indeed it is libc the library dat i messed; |
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| 13:40.58 | Akanone | thank you going to dig into this |
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| 13:42.45 | rutger | ompaul: I disabled networking on boot, it now hangs at /sbin/initctl not found |
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| 13:43.34 | tremon | Akanone: see the private messages from dpkg. If you have backups, a restore is always an option |
| 13:44.08 | hkr | Anyways, Why isn't alien recommended ? |
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| 13:44.59 | tremon | because while it does convert the files in the package, it can not translate packaging conventions or dependency names |
| 13:45.18 | hkr | English please ? |
| 13:45.36 | tremon | so you end up with an rpm package that installs files in debian locations, and depends on packages as how they are named in debian |
| 13:45.51 | hkr | oh... |
| 13:46.03 | hkr | Okay... |
| 13:46.38 | hkr | Then can anyone help me fix the "Grub error: unknow filesystem" I get everytime I install debian |
| 13:46.42 | tremon | if a depended-on package has a different name in Fedora, the converted package will still fail to install |
| 13:46.56 | Akanone | tremon yup thank you im digging |
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| 13:48.00 | rutger | ompaul tremon dutchfish: got it working, just chroot into rootfs and run update-rc.d networking remove. Unfortunately jessie hangs at /sbin/sysctl not found, but that is another problem :). Thanks all. |
| 13:48.36 | tremon | rutger: apt-get install procps |
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| 14:20.00 | Akanone | !tell Akanone about reinstall |
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| 14:22.05 | Akanone | tremon: how can i remotly use aptitude or dpkg or the /mnt (mounted drive to fix)? im not even able to chroot it |
| 14:22.14 | Akanone | *on the |
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| 14:24.20 | tremon | Akanone: dpkg has --admindir and --instdir options. However, I'm afraid some of them require chroot. You'll have to see how far you can get, it's not something I do regularly |
| 14:25.20 | Akanone | i see, thank you for your enlightment |
| 14:25.20 | tremon | your other option is to manually remove and reinstall the glibc files from the broken install (use dpkg -x to extract, or dpkg -c to list a .deb) |
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| 14:26.08 | jubo2 | Hi.. it's me with the borked package management system |
| 14:26.25 | jubo2 | dut to squeeze-wheezy |
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| 14:26.39 | jubo2 | I slept on the disaster and found some USB sticks today |
| 14:26.55 | jubo2 | Not good sleep, no sir-ee |
| 14:27.16 | abrotman | borked why? |
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| 14:28.45 | jubo2 | abrotman: squeeze -> wheezy upgrade attempt |
| 14:29.04 | jubo2 | I'm just wondering what to do with the disk partitions |
| 14:29.28 | jubo2 | I've a legal Win7 on the machine with broken Linux |
| 14:29.43 | jubo2 | then again I never use it |
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| 14:29.49 | jubo2 | and Ubuntu 13 and Debian6 |
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| 14:30.07 | jubo2 | some of these obviously gotta go so I can has clean 7.2 install |
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| 14:30.33 | petergunn | back it all up then go wild: http://redobackup.org |
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| 14:30.56 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 14:31.02 | abrotman | jubo2: which one is broken ? |
| 14:31.10 | jubo2 | the Debian6 |
| 14:31.17 | jubo2 | the disk is not broken |
| 14:31.21 | jubo2 | or the disk image |
| 14:31.26 | jubo2 | it's just pa |
| 14:31.31 | abrotman | jubo2: use a pastebin, show us how i'ts broken |
| 14:31.31 | jubo2 | * aptitude et al |
| 14:31.44 | abrotman | and please stop hitting enter every third word |
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| 14:32.07 | jubo2 | abrotman: what was the command line pastebin tool ? |
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| 14:32.13 | abrotman | paste.debian.net? |
| 14:32.15 | abrotman | or pastebinit? |
| 14:32.23 | jubo2 | pastebininit |
| 14:32.38 | abrotman | no .. pastebinit |
| 14:32.50 | Pex- | What is the command to call if I want to pull a cirtain window to the forground based on its process ID? |
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| 14:33.11 | jubo2 | abrotman: I actually want the fresh debian |
| 14:33.17 | jubo2 | the Debian6 was buggy |
| 14:33.36 | jubo2 | not as buggy or differently buggy then Xubuntu and Kubuntu |
| 14:34.04 | jubo2 | I've no need for the windows so could use that |
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| 14:34.22 | abrotman | jubo2: I don't give a shit about Ubuntu .. I want to know how your current Debian is broken |
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| 14:34.46 | Akanone | is there any guide to manually remove and reinstall the glibc files available? |
| 14:34.58 | jubo2 | this way only one legal Win7 is lost and if I have troubles setting my backup checking setup ( needs to see that they load, not only that they dump |
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| 14:35.33 | abrotman | Akanone: why would you want to? |
| 14:35.49 | abrotman | jubo2: if you're not going to show us what's wrong with Debian, not sure we can help |
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| 14:36.10 | sgo11 | hi, I am trying to run chrome browser only without any desktop environment. it's working fine by creating .desktop under /usr/share/xsessions. But I just have one problem. I can not maximize anymore. by clicking maximize, it does nothing. I can resize the window with mouse. how can I re-enable the "maximize" feature somehow? thanks. |
| 14:36.24 | Akanone | abrotman: because of this \/ |
| 14:36.25 | Akanone | chroot /mnt |
| 14:36.51 | jubo2 | abrotman: any attempt to run 'aptitude dist-upgrade' or anything similar gives a few page list of broken deps |
| 14:36.52 | Akanone | *ERROR* /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: __vdso_time: invalid mode for dlopen(): Invalid argument |
| 14:37.10 | abrotman | jubo2: PASTE IT |
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| 14:37.36 | abrotman | Akanone: you can manaully unpack a package and put the files in place |
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| 14:38.36 | Akanone | humm yea exactly seems easy |
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| 14:39.00 | jubo2 | abrotman: I can't install pastebininit |
| 14:39.05 | abrotman | Akanone: ar x foo,deb |
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| 14:39.17 | abrotman | jubo2: because it's called pastebinit |
| 14:39.24 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jubo2 about pastewithoutx |
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| 14:42.03 | jubo2 | abrotman: This machine ( the borked Debian6 ) does nothing else besides runs Konversation, has my ~/Documents and has LAMP to verity backups from the production server |
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| 14:42.35 | jubo2 | I don't want to fight with the old.. it was buggy as it was |
| 14:42.54 | abrotman | so why are you still complaining? |
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| 14:43.15 | jubo2 | Like sometimes not able to click one's way into any shell .... |
| 14:43.34 | jubo2 | and the little icon for controlling connectivity has dissapeared |
| 14:44.35 | abrotman | jubo2: I have no idea whihc problem you're trying to solve |
| 14:45.00 | ompaul | jubo2: back up your data to somewhere else, do a fresh install and stop complaining! |
| 14:45.25 | jubo2 | ompaul: abrotman tnx I think I install fresh |
| 14:45.38 | jubo2 | maybe it has les bugs then Debian6 |
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| 14:46.12 | jubo2 | And I nuke the Windows partition since I've already got another machine for running Windows for school compatibility |
| 14:46.26 | abrotman | is pretty sure Debian isn't hte problem .. |
| 14:46.34 | jubo2 | or maybe I nuke the Ubuntu |
| 14:46.46 | jubo2 | abrotman: yes I hear you |
| 14:46.51 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 14:46.57 | jubo2 | lot of the bugs are with outside party components |
| 14:47.26 | abrotman | PEBKAC for sure .. |
| 14:48.00 | jubo2 | I'm going to watch the last 20 minutes of this TV series on the interwebz |
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| 14:48.16 | jubo2 | then I boot this irccin' machine to Debian7 |
| 14:48.31 | shingouz | nice. |
| 14:49.03 | jubo2 | and start downloading the fresh-fresh debian-debian |
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| 14:49.18 | abrotman | jubo2: we don't need a play by play .. |
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| 14:51.32 | vuxor | hello, does anyone use cinnamon DE here? |
| 14:51.49 | abrotman | vuxor: Cinnamon is only in Unstable |
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| 14:53.28 | vuxor | abrotman: yeah, I needed to change my source.list so I can try it now |
| 14:54.03 | abrotman | vuxor: do you understand what Unstable is? |
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| 14:54.46 | vuxor | abrotman: you mean on sid, right? |
| 14:54.47 | ompaul | there is no going back if you don't like it |
| 14:55.00 | ompaul | or it breaks something else you rely on |
| 14:55.33 | abrotman | vuxor: yes, do you understand the implications of what you're doing? |
| 14:55.39 | abrotman | vuxor: why do you feel you need Cinnamon? |
| 14:56.22 | |oop | love |
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| 14:56.58 | wsky | http://cetra-wintersky.pl/content/luna-and-idylla-cloth-store |
| 14:57.15 | vuxor | abrotman: I switch from Mint to Debian, and I kinda used cinnamon DE there |
| 14:57.46 | wsky | hoops, wrong channel |
| 14:58.29 | abrotman | vuxor: sure, but Cinnamon is only in Unstable with Debian currently. Is there no other DE or WM you can use? |
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| 14:59.47 | unixpenguin | What does /etc/init.d/sudo restart do? |
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| 14:59.59 | unixpenguin | Why is there a service for sudo? It isn't a daemon, right? |
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| 15:01.10 | ompaul | unixpenguin: read the script to understand why it exists ;-) interesting comments |
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| 15:02.27 | unixpenguin | ompaul: alright |
| 15:02.38 | vuxor | abrotman: I used default DE when i installed Debian. But I could not get used to it, so because I came from Cinnamon, it looked like a logical choice to me |
| 15:03.09 | abrotman | vuxor: there are dozens of other choices in Debian though .. |
| 15:03.39 | unixpenguin | hyperfork of a fork |
| 15:03.55 | abrotman | vuxor: if you do not like Gnome3, try something like XFCE or LXDE, or even KDE |
| 15:04.07 | abrotman | vuxor: Personally, I rather like Gnome3 and find it very easy to use |
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| 15:04.25 | unixpenguin | ompaul: On Debian Wheezy there are no funny comments :( |
| 15:04.32 | unixpenguin | ompaul: just one for start: # make sure privileges don't persist across reboots |
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| 15:04.44 | unixpenguin | ompaul: all other service commands are simply ignored. |
| 15:06.03 | ompaul | unixpenguin: so it has exactly one job :) |
| 15:06.08 | ompaul | unixpenguin: a very useful one |
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| 15:06.16 | vuxor | abrotman: well for me it just did not worked. I liked the extensions for Gnome 3, but they could not fulfill my experience |
| 15:06.45 | abrotman | vuxor: You can do anything you want, but I'll caution about about using Unstable, it's moniker is deserved. |
| 15:07.04 | unixpenguin | ompaul: so it automatically logs one out in case of reboot |
| 15:07.07 | jubo2 | ait.. back when booted to Debian7 |
| 15:07.17 | unixpenguin | ompaul: when shell is forcefully closed, too? |
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| 15:07.52 | ompaul | unixpenguin: it was a nasty bug a few year ago - not when the shell is closed you can open the same shell and sudo -i no password for X minutes which you can set usually defaults to 10 iirc |
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| 15:08.22 | vuxor | abrotman: yeah, so far so good. That's why I asked at the first place to see if anyone had any trouble with it so far |
| 15:09.13 | abrotman | vuxor: I don't think Cinnamon is very popular in Unstable .. We don't get many questions about. I think most folks have adapted to Gnome3 or use another distro. Check the BTS for Cinnamon |
| 15:09.18 | unixpenguin | ompaul: and although this bug isn't there anymore in Debian Wheezy, they decided to leave it as an assurance, right? |
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| 15:09.36 | ompaul | unixpenguin: I think this is the fix for the bug from several generations ago |
| 15:09.57 | abrotman | vuxor: oh, there's a Grave bug on Cinnamon, seems to make it unustable |
| 15:09.57 | unixpenguin | ompaul: so they could also simply remove it? |
| 15:09.57 | ompaul | vuxor: backwards looking statements are not a prediction of forwards performance |
| 15:09.59 | abrotman | unusable |
| 15:10.00 | unixpenguin | ompaul: legacy stuff? |
| 15:10.12 | abrotman | vuxor: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=cinnamon;dist=unstable |
| 15:10.20 | ompaul | unixpenguin: at your own perl :) |
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| 15:10.37 | ompaul | unixpenguin: test case and see how it works / fails for you |
| 15:11.12 | microm | when I run debuild, the last step fails with the digital gpg signature "gpg: skipped "Canon Inc. <sup-debian@list.canon.co.jp>": secret key not available", how do I fix that? |
| 15:11.46 | vuxor | abrotman: I will check that now. Thanks |
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| 15:12.33 | jubo2 | ait |
| 15:12.42 | jubo2 | where to for the latest stable? |
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| 15:12.51 | jubo2 | got a 8GB USB stick |
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| 15:13.06 | abrotman | jubo2: debian.org |
| 15:13.12 | jubo2 | supris! |
| 15:13.45 | jubo2 | do I want live or normal ? |
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| 15:14.31 | ompaul | jubo2: that is your question depending on what you want to do, netinstall to install live if you want to live on a slow usb stick |
| 15:14.33 | abrotman | jubo2: perhaps you should start with the installation guide, it seems you have many basic questions |
| 15:14.45 | jubo2 | and I want AMD64 don't I... Got an intel atom 2 core CPU on the netbook with problems |
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| 15:14.58 | MO_Handes | is testing the same as jessie at the time? |
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| 15:15.10 | abrotman | MO_Handes: currently, yes |
| 15:15.12 | unixpenguin | Interesting question by me: Are somehow - the used switches / parameters / configuration options for build - included in a deb package normally? |
| 15:15.13 | Thraul | jubo2: installing your first debian (linux) desktop? |
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| 15:15.28 | tremon | MO_Handes: right now, yes |
| 15:15.31 | MO_Handes | is it recommended to install wheezy then upgrade to jessie or download and install jessie? |
| 15:15.39 | abrotman | Thraul: sadly, no |
| 15:15.46 | abrotman | MO_Handes: the former |
| 15:15.46 | Thraul | haha |
| 15:15.54 | ompaul | MO_Handes: wheezy and upgrade |
| 15:16.02 | MO_Handes | abrotman, ompaul, why? |
| 15:16.19 | ompaul | MO_Handes: because the installer you see is for testing the installer only and a lot of time it is broken |
| 15:16.30 | ompaul | MO_Handes: so now you know :) |
| 15:16.49 | Thraul | i am using wheezy as my desktop was thinking of upgrading to jessie but not sure. Have jessie running on my server it seems stable but still not sure. |
| 15:17.18 | abrotman | you have jessie on a server? an internet-facing server? |
| 15:17.41 | jubo2 | downloading cd image |
| 15:17.49 | Thraul | just a home server/nas box. |
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| 15:18.19 | MO_Handes | is there anyway to install GLIBC_2.14 without having to upgrade to jessie? |
| 15:19.30 | jubo2 | then I 'dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/media/usb0' or how was it ... I mean when the image has downloaded |
| 15:19.40 | unixpenguin | There was a nice command which triggers that debhelper chat bot to give instructions for an own repository. |
| 15:19.42 | unixpenguin | What was it? |
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| 15:20.10 | Okee | Can Aptana Studio run on Linux Debian? |
| 15:20.21 | Okee | http://download.cnet.com/Aptana-Studio-for-Linux-64-bit/3000-2212_4-75628484.html |
| 15:20.33 | tremon | jubo2: of=/dev/sdX, you can't dd to a mountpoint (or a mounted device for that matter) |
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| 15:21.07 | Thraul | use unetbootin to create the USB |
| 15:21.11 | ompaul | No |
| 15:21.20 | ompaul | never use unetbootin with Debian it fails |
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| 15:21.26 | jubo2 | and /dev/sda are HDD and /dev/sdb are USB right ? |
| 15:21.27 | Thraul | ok |
| 15:21.46 | ompaul | jubo2: cat debian-...iso > /dev/sdb will work |
| 15:21.47 | jubo2 | all disks seem to be seen as SCSI these days.. |
| 15:21.59 | tremon | ompaul: that only works if you're root |
| 15:22.04 | ompaul | tremon: and he should be |
| 15:22.12 | abrotman | do not use unetbootin |
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| 15:22.26 | tremon | well, I tend to prefer sudo. In which case shell redirection fails |
| 15:22.30 | abrotman | jubo2: have you read the install guide yeT? |
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| 15:22.35 | MO_Handes | is there anyway to install libc6=2.14 in wheezy without having to upgrade to jessie? |
| 15:22.39 | abrotman | tremon: you have to quote it corredtly |
| 15:22.41 | tremon | MO_Handes: no |
| 15:22.44 | abrotman | MO_Handes: not really, that's a core library |
| 15:23.02 | stew | tremon: cat foo.iso | sudo dd of=/dev/sdb |
| 15:23.22 | abrotman | MO_Handes: this is for Steam? |
| 15:23.28 | MO_Handes | Viber |
| 15:23.33 | ompaul | ooch |
| 15:23.34 | tremon | that's not redirection, that's a pipe ;) |
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| 15:24.20 | ompaul | jubo2: please read the install guide you got the reference you should read it and understand what you are doing, it has the details and the background and will make your life easier |
| 15:24.20 | tremon | jubo2: we can't tell you which device is named sda or sdb. Check dmesg or kern.log |
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| 15:24.55 | MO_Handes | how much unstable is jessie? is it recommended to use for a semi-pro linux user who hates ubuntu, has been 4 years a debian user, and just wants to use debian? I once upgraded wheezy to jessie and the gnome thing messed up. |
| 15:24.59 | unixpenguin | There was a nice command which triggers that debhelper chat bot to give instructions for an own repository. |
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| 15:25.02 | unixpenguin | What was it? |
| 15:25.23 | abrotman | dpkg: tell unixpenguin about own repository |
| 15:25.39 | unixpenguin | thank you, abrotman |
| 15:25.51 | abrotman | MO_Handes: I've been using it for a few weeks, seems stable enough (I have mostly intel hardware I feel I should note) |
| 15:26.14 | abrotman | gdm3 is some sort of broken, but using slim works just fine |
| 15:26.19 | ompaul | MO_Handes: the semi pro user better be able to put the parts together when / if they fall apart without crying over the spilt milk |
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| 15:27.11 | |oop | MO_Handes: youve been using debian 4 years, have achieved self proclaimed semi-pro status, and youve never taken the time to figure that out for yourself? |
| 15:28.14 | stew | MO_Handes: jessie changes every day |
| 15:28.40 | |oop | any plans to put xix media player into jessie anytime in the near future? |
| 15:28.46 | ompaul | |oop: in fairness, one persons beginner is another persons pro, so pro is not a useful term, pro with desktop, lamp, X, console programming script making, playing games :) |
| 15:28.48 | phix | MO_Handes: What's wrong with Ubuntu (excluding 13.10)? |
| 15:28.56 | ompaul | phix: offtopic for here |
| 15:29.00 | |oop | yeah im just going by their own words |
| 15:29.02 | phix | ompaul: ok |
| 15:29.15 | abrotman | |oop: is xix in Unstable yet? |
| 15:29.24 | |oop | not that im seeing |
| 15:29.35 | jubo2 | is the stick ready with the 'dd' or is there some command I should run before trying to boot from the stick ? |
| 15:29.55 | MO_Handes | phix, bugs and crashes are on my nerves all the time |
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| 15:30.18 | ompaul | MO_Handes: then jessie is not for you, because it will happen. You get to keep the pieces. |
| 15:30.22 | tremon | jubo2: sync |
| 15:30.37 | |oop | just toss it on a workstation MO_Handes |
| 15:30.58 | abrotman | |oop: it's a front end for mplayer? |
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| 15:31.10 | |oop | and fly it full speed until it crashes into the ground |
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| 15:31.19 | |oop | then do it again |
| 15:31.24 | jubo2 | tremon: tnx got it |
| 15:31.36 | |oop | then give it another 4 years and youll be a pro |
| 15:31.45 | phix | MO_Handes: The only thing that crashes on me is the background indexer, which I can live without |
| 15:31.45 | jubo2 | I am seeing a Debian GNU/Linux installer boot menu #mmm |
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| 15:32.02 | jubo2 | is the graphical instrall more hazard then the textual ? |
| 15:32.09 | abrotman | jubo2: try it and see |
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| 15:33.08 | MO_Handes | I think I gonna have jessie, I've used Wheezy a year before it's release, of course I don't have an idea I'm going to use jessie how many years before it's release! |
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| 15:36.06 | jubo2 | now it ( the installer ) wants some broadcom non-free thingy on stick.. better give it what it wants.. |
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| 15:36.49 | jubo2 | I don't where to download this file from 'brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw' ..? |
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| 15:37.10 | jubo2 | I google "download and the filename" |
| 15:37.15 | abrotman | jubo2: have you read the installatoin guide yet? |
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| 15:41.16 | jubo2 | now I have downloaded the file "firmware-brmc80211_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb |
| 15:41.43 | jubo2 | how do I extract the .fw file the installation process is asking |
| 15:42.11 | jubo2 | maybe I double click it |
| 15:43.09 | jubo2 | nope.. opens it in ark.. but no .fw file |
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| 15:43.49 | microm | I ran debuild on the canon printer drivers to get a deb package, everything went find, but there is no .deb file...? how do I get one? |
| 15:44.06 | MO_Handes | !debian jessie freeze time |
| 15:44.18 | microm | I ran debuild -S -rfakeroot -k<GPGKEY> |
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| 15:46.31 | abrotman | MO_Handes: you can msg the bot, and it is thought that jessie will freeze in November of 2014 from what I recall |
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| 15:47.33 | jubo2 | can I get the farmware later on downloaded with apt-get by adding non-free to /etc/apt/sources.lst ? |
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| 15:48.12 | abrotman | jubo2: have you read the installation guide yet? |
| 15:48.22 | jubo2 | abrotman: I've browsed |
| 15:48.24 | jubo2 | it |
| 15:48.29 | abrotman | READ IT |
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| 15:48.56 | jubo2 | it's too long |
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| 15:49.04 | jubo2 | I can't be bothered |
| 15:49.06 | ompaul | jubo2: then live forever in ignorance |
| 15:49.25 | ompaul | irc is not a substitute for you doing some work |
| 15:49.27 | sweb1 | is there any configure to add delay to run cron on time for example random -5 to +5 seconds on cron time |
| 15:49.31 | jubo2 | It's in Finnish ! |
| 15:49.42 | ompaul | jubo2: so find an english language one |
| 15:49.44 | jubo2 | 'k 'k .. I could prlly get it in English too |
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| 15:49.59 | ompaul | jubo2: you have to be trolling, nobody is that without clue |
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| 15:50.14 | abrotman | jubo2: You have an hour to go read the installation guide, please use that time wisely. |
| 15:50.50 | iceroot | sweb1: put a function in your script which is generating a number between 0-9 and put that in a sleep call |
| 15:50.55 | abrotman | sweb1: yes, have it call a script that does that for you :) |
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| 15:51.25 | abrotman | sweb1: I've done such a thing in the past, it's not hard. Just have it get a random number ($RANDOM IIRC) and then use that as your sleep value. |
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| 15:55.36 | Plasmastar | How come I received an invite only message? |
| 15:55.50 | abrotman | Plasmastar: eh, for what? |
| 15:56.07 | Plasmastar | [04:56:27] #debian unable to join channel (invite only) |
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| 15:56.15 | abrotman | Plasmastar: you're here now ? |
| 15:56.37 | Plasmastar | Well that's good news, good news indeed, lets just ignore that fact that something DID go wrong. |
| 15:56.58 | abrotman | We would need more information. |
| 15:57.23 | abrotman | looks at debhelper |
| 15:57.28 | WilliamDotSI | the userlimit. |
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| 15:57.42 | abrotman | hrm .. |
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| 15:58.03 | abrotman | yeah, looks like debhelper is taking hte day off |
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| 15:58.45 | Plasmastar | WilliamDotSI: The user limit mode causes that error? O_o |
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| 15:58.58 | abrotman | Plasmastar: yes, because the channel limit is reached |
| 15:59.16 | WilliamDotSI | yes |
| 15:59.17 | WilliamDotSI | exactly |
| 15:59.21 | unixpenguin | abrotman: you have devoiced jubo2, right? How can you prevent that you forget to voice him after 1 hour passed? |
| 15:59.23 | WilliamDotSI | once full only invite works |
| 15:59.28 | WilliamDotSI | invite overrides userlimiut |
| 15:59.30 | abrotman | unixpenguin: we have ways |
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| 15:59.44 | unixpenguin | is curious about this |
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| 16:00.24 | Plasmastar | User limit causes this error. [11:00:29] * Unable to join channel (channel is full) |
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| 16:01.12 | ompaul | Plasmastar: not any longer |
| 16:01.26 | Plasmastar | ompaul: Yes, right now it does. |
| 16:01.41 | Plasmastar | Unless it changed within that 1 minute. |
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| 16:02.04 | CissWit | [10:55:05]* -- │ Mode #debian [+mi] par debhelper <- earlier today the channel was in invite mode, which is the mode that actually causes this error |
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| 16:02.33 | Plasmastar | CissWit: THANK YOU |
| 16:02.48 | abrotman | CissWit: which timezone is that timestamp from ? |
| 16:02.58 | CissWit | [10:56:35] -- │ Mode #debian [-i] par debhelper |
| 16:03.01 | abrotman | ah . 5am my time |
| 16:03.04 | Plasmastar | CissWit: Is that when it looks like a netsplit happened? |
| 16:03.24 | Plasmastar | About 4:55 AM EST |
| 16:03.35 | abrotman | still debhelper should be adjusting hte limit and up and down, and hasn't been that I can see |
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| 16:04.19 | CissWit | it reminds me i need to fix ntp on this host |
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| 16:06.23 | qh | Im getting "unable to enumerate USB device on port 1" I dont know what to do about it :( any ideas? |
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| 16:10.15 | Outlaw_Star | anybody play around with SteamOS yet? |
| 16:11.15 | abrotman | many people |
| 16:12.09 | tremon | qh: it's a hardware error, most likely an underpowered bus. for some reason, linux is more sensitive to these issues than windows |
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| 16:12.14 | Outlaw_Star | abrotman: i'll rephrase that for you. |
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| 16:12.27 | Outlaw_Star | Has ANYONE HERE played around with SteamOS yet? |
| 16:12.33 | abrotman | tremon: doesn't that sometimes happen for mass storage that isn't recognized? |
| 16:12.44 | abrotman | Outlaw_Star: yes, many people. Please stop taking polls and ask your real question |
| 16:12.47 | tremon | !poll |
| 16:12.47 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 16:15.14 | Outlaw_Star | I just wanted to hear the opinions of people who have used it on their main systems. How they are getting along with it, bugs encountered, that kind of stuff. |
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| 16:15.37 | Outlaw_Star | just kinda an open inquiry. |
| 16:15.46 | abrotman | oh, there's a #steamlug for general steam help/questions |
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| 16:16.09 | Outlaw_Star | thanks, didnt know that. |
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| 16:22.32 | idueppe | Hi, short question - how do I calculate the best sector to start with a partition. Sector Size is 512B. I heard something that is better to align the partition to some factor, but I do not know which and how? |
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| 16:24.44 | idueppe | And for what is the space between the partitions used? |
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| 16:24.54 | Okee | Is there a way to get different emblems for launchers than the default options? They are pretty limited. |
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| 16:25.26 | frostschutz | idueppe, 2048 512b sectors = 1MiB. or just use parted with unit mib. space between partitions isn't used, except maybe for the very start of the disk for the mbr/bootloader |
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| 16:26.38 | Okee | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.39 | Okee | denied) |
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| 16:27.40 | jmd | It seems that the most recent Yeelong netboot is broken. Is there a stable one somewhere? |
| 16:27.41 | tremon | idueppe: for traditional harddisks, align a 4kB i.e. 8 sectors. For ssd's, it depends on the block erasure size which no manufacturer publishes for some reason |
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| 16:27.51 | Okee | This error message showed up after I created a launcher. |
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| 16:28.22 | idueppe | frostschutz: thx and where to start with the second partitions. For instance, the first is the boot partition from 2048 to 1050624. |
| 16:29.04 | idueppe | So the second partition should start at 1050624 + 2048 + X % 8 == 0 |
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| 16:29.28 | idueppe | and x I must figure out |
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| 16:33.04 | microm | dpkg-shlibdeps gives me an error: no dependency information found on a lib which is a symbolic link to a file |
| 16:33.30 | microm | and that file, the real one, was installed by the package manager |
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| 16:35.38 | frostschutz | idueppe, you don't have to leave any room between partitions. that's something you can do if you like, there is no requirement for it |
| 16:35.57 | frostschutz | idueppe, if you use start sector % 2048 = 0 it's mib aligned |
| 16:36.04 | qh | tremon: thanks, i keep a usb midi keyboard pluged in, when i unpluged it and rebooted the enumerate usb thing went away |
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| 16:42.44 | idueppe | thx. How do I stop a volumen group before if I cannot stop a mdadm? |
| 16:43.08 | frostschutz | vgchange -a n? |
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| 16:44.09 | filo3sofie | unlike RMGC |
| 16:44.19 | idueppe | thx |
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| 16:44.31 | jelly-home | and the volume group name |
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| 16:45.03 | frostschutz | idueppe, not sure if this is what you meant earlier http://bpaste.net/show/164616/ |
| 16:45.11 | frostschutz | free space serves no real purpose... |
| 16:46.29 | jmd | frostschutz: It serves a lot of purpose |
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| 16:47.41 | idueppe | ? |
| 16:48.23 | WilliamDotSI | i have a stale NFS handle, can that be resolved without reboot? |
| 16:48.26 | WilliamDotSI | Wheezy |
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| 16:48.37 | WilliamDotSI | i dont need the mnt but the warning is annoying |
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| 16:49.51 | ompaul | WilliamDotSI: you can try running the mount -a or whatever you do to mount it (assuming you mount it on boot) and see if that fixes it, if it doesn't then I guess you need to either restart nfs on the client and see if it picks it up again or doesn't |
| 16:50.01 | WilliamDotSI | yea that doesnt work |
| 16:50.32 | ompaul | WilliamDotSI: welcome to reboot the nfs server - you could try restarting nfs on the server side and then on the client but that depends on how many actually mount and read it |
| 16:50.43 | jelly-home | WilliamDotSI: if you're certain the server won't come back, then no. umount -l will keep further userspace from being able to access it |
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| 16:50.57 | WilliamDotSI | it is actually online |
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| 16:51.11 | jelly-home | then just wait |
| 16:51.15 | WilliamDotSI | well |
| 16:51.17 | WilliamDotSI | this is now since weeks |
| 16:51.27 | idueppe | frostschutz, such a pattern I had in mind. My experience of the last days of trying to install grub2 while bootstraping ubuntu was, that it start working after I leave some space between the partitions. But I didn't (and still do) know what I was really doing. So might be something totally different. |
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| 16:51.54 | jelly-home | WilliamDotSI: so, you had weeks to do a scheduled reboot, why didn't you! |
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| 16:52.09 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 16:52.21 | WilliamDotSI | yea... sure... because my KVM ISO dir doesnt work anymore |
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| 16:52.30 | WilliamDotSI | i rather just mount it somwhere else :p |
| 16:52.37 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a way to get a list of ALL keyboard shortcuts and what they are assigned to do? |
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| 16:53.48 | klys | lady_aleena: if you find out a way, make sure to include the ctrlaltdel entry in /etc/inittab and the "magic sysrq key" in the kernel. |
| 16:54.24 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: in KDE Settings -> System Settings -> Shortcuts and Gestures |
| 16:54.56 | Lady_Aleena | ompaul, that isn't ALL of them, I'm talking even program specific keyboard shortcuts. |
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| 16:55.23 | Lady_Aleena | However, if this is a KDE thing, I will take it there. |
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| 16:55.34 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: each program that contains its own, does that, and needs to be interrogated independently |
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| 16:57.30 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: and that includes bash which contains quite a lot of interesting possible regex like things, so no there isn't a single place, it depends on what your actual objective is |
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| 17:00.16 | Lady_Aleena | ompaul, I've taken it to #kde to clear this channel. |
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| 17:00.43 | ompaul | it is distribution dependent but hey as you like |
| 17:01.18 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: #kde tends to be upstream development and can be hostile to end-users. |
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| 17:01.33 | klys | !matrox |
| 17:01.34 | dpkg | Matrox is a video card component and equipment producer. The Matrox open source display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-mga. Support of the G400's second head requires the <mga_hal> module, it may also be necessary for DVI output in other cards. Since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", Matrox G200 and G400/G550 WARP engine microcode (g200_warp.fw, g400_warp.fw) is packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree; ask me about <non-free sources>. |
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| 17:02.25 | Lady_Aleena | ompaul and jhutchins, if I get no where on #kde, I will come back. ;) |
| 17:03.00 | klys | !matrox g450 |
| 17:03.05 | klys | !g450 |
| 17:03.05 | dpkg | Matrox is a video card component and equipment producer. The Matrox open source display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-mga. Support of the G400's second head requires the <mga_hal> module, it may also be necessary for DVI output in other cards. Since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", Matrox G200 and G400/G550 WARP engine microcode (g200_warp.fw, g400_warp.fw) is packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree; ask me about <non-free sources>. |
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| 17:03.17 | abrotman | klys: msg the bot |
| 17:03.30 | idueppe | how do I tell that lvcreate should take all the available space "lvcreate -Z n -L 100%FREE -n root vg1", doesn't seem to work in rescue system at hetzner |
| 17:03.31 | klys | is there a g450-specific factoid |
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| 17:03.44 | abrotman | klys: /msg dpkg listvals g450 |
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| 17:03.56 | jhutchins | klys: That's it. |
| 17:04.10 | abrotman | jhutchins: no, it's the same as the matrox factoid |
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| 17:09.41 | klys | the mga_hal factoid is not useful for the G450. |
| 17:09.58 | klys | I had a G450 that worked great before. |
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| 17:10.19 | abrotman | We'd need more details |
| 17:10.38 | klys | I am running linux-3.12.3 |
| 17:10.55 | klys | I have compiled linux-3.12.6 with the same configs |
| 17:11.08 | abrotman | klys: a) reproduce with a Debian kernel b) show us logs |
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| 17:13.21 | klys | I have ok I am booting a debian kernel. root (hd1,5) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.6-rc1 root=/dev/hdd6 vga=1 ro |
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| 17:13.45 | jean-mi | I'm trying to remove wine32-unstable:i386 & It won't let me uninstall it, it tells me to perform apt-get install -f but it returns with a "dpkg: error processing package wine32-unstable (--remove): |
| 17:13.47 | jean-mi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.07 | abrotman | jean-mi: use a pastebin to show us please |
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| 17:15.22 | jean-mi | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/8VMPknZh |
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| 17:16.37 | abrotman | jean-mi: put an exit 0; at the top of the wine-unstable prerm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 17:16.42 | abrotman | after the shebang |
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| 17:17.33 | klys | the modules this kernel has for the G450 are: mga.ko g450_pll.ko i2c-matroxfb.ko matroxfb_DAC1064.ko matroxfb_Ti3026.ko matroxfb_accel.ko matroxfb_base.ko matroxfb_crtc2.ko matroxfb_g450.ko matroxfb_misc.ko |
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| 17:18.52 | jean-mi | abrotman: Cool, it worked thanks, that issue was a little over my head. |
| 17:19.28 | klys | lsmod shows all of those modules. |
| 17:19.47 | klys | do I need anything alse... |
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| 17:21.10 | klaxa | ZekeS, you really are at the weirdest places |
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| 17:21.49 | ZekeS | klaxa: ... this isn't that weird, is it? :| |
| 17:21.53 | klys | ,versions mga-vid-source |
| 17:21.54 | judd | Package: mga-vid-source on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32-1; wheezy: 2.6.32-1 |
| 17:22.13 | klys | also, do I need a 2.6.32 kernel... |
| 17:23.01 | dizzylizzy | I'm trying to figure out how to disable my computer's internal SD card reader in the BIOS, since Debian hangs for 30 seconds at boot because of it. I don't use the card reader. |
| 17:23.21 | dizzylizzy | Or perhaps is there a way to disable that hardware by blacklisting it or something so it's just ignored at boot by debian? |
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| 17:24.14 | klys | dizzylizzy is the mmc device listed in /etc/fstab (perhaps as /dev/sdb1) ? |
| 17:24.19 | jelly-home | dizzylizzy: perhaps it'd boot faster if there was a card present? |
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| 17:25.05 | dizzylizzy | klys, the kernel reports that it's sdb at boot but since there's nothing in the drive it's simply ignored and does not appear in fstab or lsblk or anything |
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| 17:25.37 | dizzylizzy | jelly-home, I doubt it; in the past, it's barely functioned even when it has, often stalling for about 30 seconds just to read the device. I think there's something faulty with the hardware |
| 17:25.43 | klys | dizzylizzy so is it modprobe that is hanging |
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| 17:26.57 | klys | you can check with rmmod; modprobe <driver> |
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| 17:27.35 | timss | Hi. After an update I'm experiencing multiple problems with GTK and the .png filetype. Icons not loaded, lots of errors and background borked in Chromium (prob .png). Works just fine in KDE. How can I fix this? http://bpaste.net/show/tNY0JG5hay13MDDoc1ax/ |
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| 17:29.04 | dizzylizzy | I'm not really sure what the driver would be. Here's the segment of kern.log that shows the huge delay http://sprunge.us/GadK |
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| 17:29.41 | idueppe | I'm confused, do I need to remove some key files from the server after I setup a luks drive and dropbear to unlock the luks via ssh. |
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| 17:32.22 | klys | dizzylizzy if lsmod contains usb_storage try rmmod usb_storage; modprobe usb_storage |
| 17:32.42 | dizzylizzy | klys, I do use kind of a lot of usb storage though, and this device is connected via scsi |
| 17:32.50 | klys | oic |
| 17:33.05 | dizzylizzy | i think I should turn off my computer, crack open the case, and unplug it |
| 17:33.17 | klys | or look for mmc; lsmod | grep mmc |
| 17:33.28 | dizzylizzy | no results |
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| 17:33.33 | klys | just do lsmod | less and see if you can identify it |
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| 17:35.07 | abrotman | klys: you did see the bit about the firmware? did that relate to your card? |
| 17:35.13 | dizzylizzy | I see `sg`, though it's listed as sg2, hmm |
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| 17:37.30 | klys | apt-cache show firmware-linux-nonfree: * Matrox G200 WARP engine microcode (matrox/g200_warp.fw) * Matrox G400/G550 WARP engine microcode (matrox/g400_warp.fw) |
| 17:37.35 | klys | so, nothing for the g450 |
| 17:37.37 | dizzylizzy | it looks like sg is just generic scsi, so I'd lose all other scsi support if I disable it |
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| 17:38.11 | klys | dizzylizzy /dev/sg0 is probably your cd-writer |
| 17:38.44 | dizzylizzy | inhales sharply through teeth |
| 17:38.51 | dizzylizzy | and scsi != sata, right? |
| 17:38.54 | klys | yes |
| 17:39.06 | dizzylizzy | then the device simply isn't listed in my bios at all. Time to crack open the case... |
| 17:39.06 | klys | but you might be using ide_scsi |
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| 17:39.24 | abrotman | eh, no |
| 17:39.41 | klys | so for example, if you do fdisk -l /dev/sda it will show you your harddisk partitions |
| 17:39.45 | sweb1 | i have larg list of crontabs |
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| 17:39.53 | sweb1 | it's simple php cli application |
| 17:39.56 | klys | it seems like all the debian kernels now use ide_scsi by default. |
| 17:40.11 | sweb1 | but when run all together debian crash |
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| 17:40.27 | sweb1 | how can i solve this issue |
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| 17:41.51 | dizzylizzy | thank you immensely klys, I learned something useful about kernel module discovery |
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| 17:42.58 | klys | dizzylizzy if you have found the offending module ask about renaming it or removing it from your initrd image. |
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| 17:43.13 | jhutchins | sweb1: Figure out what's causing the crash. |
| 17:43.26 | jhutchins | sweb1: Where did you get this software? |
| 17:43.26 | dizzylizzy | kk |
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| 17:43.34 | sweb1 | jhutchins: i write by own |
| 17:43.42 | sweb1 | it's simple cakephp cli app |
| 17:43.52 | sweb1 | but i have many project |
| 17:43.55 | xand | php crashes your OS? |
| 17:43.59 | xand | err.... |
| 17:44.07 | sweb1 | so each project have own cronjob |
| 17:44.52 | klys | sweb1 is it too much for your computer to handle or are you suspecting a bug in package cron ? http://bugs.debian.org/ |
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| 17:45.53 | jhutchins | sweb1: This is really not a forum for PHP coding. |
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| 17:46.22 | sweb1 | jhutchins: i know my cli application run well but many of them is run in same time by cron |
| 17:46.23 | jhutchins | sweb1: You could be failing to check for locked files, opening too many file descriptors, overwriting memory. |
| 17:46.39 | jhutchins | sweb1: So you need to figure out how to use cron more effectively. |
| 17:46.40 | klys | the advice I have if it is too much for your computer to handle is mebby to add more swap. |
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| 17:47.12 | jhutchins | klys: It would make more sense to find out if the problem was RAM use or some other issue. |
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| 17:47.43 | klys | also, if you are running them simultaneously and this does not make sense, try spacing them apart in time somehow. |
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| 17:49.28 | evdo | i have a question on iptables i can ask here? |
| 17:49.36 | klys | yes... |
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| 17:50.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | evdo: you should just ask directly, at least on distro channels... you'll get redirected if needed. |
| 17:50.51 | klys | my iptables script does something like: iptables -P forward DENY; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 17:51.24 | klys | so if you do this, and set up eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces), it should work, evdo. |
| 17:51.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | "forward" and "DENY" seem wrong |
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| 17:51.42 | klys | that is a policy setting to prevent attacks. |
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| 17:52.17 | evdo | which iptables -m option can be used for UDP protocol? |
| 17:52.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | I mean "forward" should be all-capitals and "DENY" should likely be "DROP". :) |
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| 17:52.33 | klys | k |
| 17:52.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | evdo: just to match udp as a protocol? Just use '-p udp' |
| 17:53.07 | evdo | no |
| 17:53.16 | abrotman | evdo: have you asked #netfilter? |
| 17:53.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | evdo: for tcp/udp the -m options are implicit anyway |
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| 17:55.02 | klys | abrotman: I have the `matroxset' package installed. |
| 17:55.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | Does the stock initramfs support booting from unionfs/aufs-ed roots? Say, a "rw" fs overlayed on a "ro" one. |
| 17:55.13 | klys | do you think it will work ? |
| 17:55.23 | jhutchins | Actually, the only place where case matters is in matching rule names, but have fun. |
| 17:55.47 | evdo | i am so confused right now! ;( |
| 17:55.50 | evdo | ptables -I INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 8778 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 2 -j REJECT |
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| 17:55.59 | evdo | is this right or wrong? |
| 17:56.07 | abrotman | evdo: have you asked #netfilter |
| 17:56.17 | evdo | okay sorry |
| 17:56.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | evdo: yes, you can omit '-m udp' though. |
| 17:56.51 | jhutchins | evdo: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 17:56.53 | idueppe | hey guys, a huge "thank you very much" for your support - my remote root server is now up and running fully encrypted by my own debootstraping script - 10 days from newbie to someone knows a little bit more :-) |
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| 17:57.23 | glenrock | i found a font in my ~/.fonts folder that works fine in wheezy but causes a segfault and crashiness in jessie. at some point along the way i copied the font over from windows (along with all the rest of those fonts). is that worth reporting? |
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| 17:58.05 | jhutchins | glenrock: fonts don't cause segfaults. |
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| 17:58.23 | glenrock | jhutchins: this one does, specifically when you run fc-cache -fv |
| 17:58.34 | glenrock | it then makes the XFCE panels wig out |
| 17:58.42 | glenrock | want steps to see it? |
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| 17:59.43 | jhutchins | glenrock: So fc-fcache segfaults. Diagnose that. |
| 18:00.25 | glenrock | right, fc-cache segfaults, meaning it crashes when rebuilding the font cache. this in turn causes breakage in xfce's panel. |
| 18:00.47 | klys | abrotman: the `man matroxset' manpage has led me to http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:O_1KhvdJ2PAJ:http://www.bglug.ca/matrox_tvout/g450_tvout_howto.html&ct=clnk |
| 18:00.48 | glenrock | this behavior doesn't occur in wheezy, but when i went through a dist-upgrade to jessie, i then broke because of my existing .fonts folder |
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| 18:07.48 | klys | this document contains: Some information about DirectFB. - The latest version (0.9.16)...; my directfb (libdirectfb-1.2-9) version is 1.2.10.0-5 and I have libdirectfb-bin, libdirectfb-dev, libdirectfb-extra of the same version installed. |
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| 18:10.42 | shingouz | glenrock: if nothing else helps, move the offending font and do fc-fcache again. should get you up and running, however i personally suspect something else than a font. fc-fcache springs into my mind |
| 18:11.48 | glenrock | shingouz: moving the font fixed my problem. i found that it's a hebrew font that i've never actually used. it's one of the default fonts that comes with a windows installation, so people might run into the issue if they've ever copied their fonts folder from a windows machine |
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| 18:12.24 | shingouz | glenrock: you may want to report that to the maintainer |
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| 18:12.31 | glenrock | will do. thanks |
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| 18:14.58 | klys | I just found the link http://www.dafyddcrosby.com/src/con2fb.c from the defunct / down link http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/linux/matrox-latest/con2fb.c.gz |
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| 18:15.27 | klys | ...it compiles without any new libs... |
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| 18:28.40 | klys | so, the framebuffer resolution on my G450 is 640x480. both outputs are connected to a VGA interface. # ./con2fb /dev/fb1 /dev/tty9; (please note that I have a getty on /dev/tty9 in /etc/inittab.) alt+F9 displays the previous tty (not tty9) on both monitors. it makes the cursor disappear. alt+[1-24] goes back to the tty I was on, and the cursor reappears. |
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| 18:29.56 | niteye | does anybody know an application or package for xfce which has the same functionality as the windows vista/7 start menu? (a search bar with all the window applications) |
| 18:30.08 | klys | no log output is emitted by con2fb except if I give it no parameters, in which case it says `usage: con2fb fbdev console' |
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| 18:32.59 | klys | niteye: don't you get that with the right-click menu ? |
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| 18:33.08 | klys | ,versions xfdesktop4 |
| 18:33.09 | judd | Package: xfdesktop4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.2-1+b1; wheezy: 4.8.3-2; jessie: 4.10.2-3; sid: 4.10.2-3 |
| 18:34.17 | niteye | nope, there is no search, the menu requires me to navigate the cursor through the tree to find what i want, its not like i can just type "virtua" and press enter and virtualbox is executed (this is how it works in windows since vista, KDE and gnome and i find it extremely useful) |
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| 18:34.54 | jubo2 | can I talk ? |
| 18:35.00 | klys | yes |
| 18:35.04 | niteye | yes, just ask your question :) |
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| 18:35.23 | jubo2 | yes.. the other machine ( which I was not working on ) currently says "Invalid or damaged Bootable partition" |
| 18:36.06 | shingouz | niteye: i think you need to install some utility that would do that. what the name of a tool like that would be is completley beyond me, though |
| 18:36.13 | jubo2 | The GRUB was just fine the last time before this time that I booted |
| 18:36.53 | shingouz | jubo2: so what did you do to have that happen? did you install something, remove somehting, reconfigure something? |
| 18:36.58 | klys | xfce4-linelight-plugin - Search plugin for Xfce panel |
| 18:37.10 | niteye | thanks klys! |
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| 18:37.52 | abrotman | jubo2: you've been able to speak for well over an hour .. |
| 18:38.33 | jubo2 | shingouz: nothing. the last time it worked I booted to Linux from GRUB, viewed some web pages and opened some ssh shells. Then I try to reboot the machine to Win7 and I get "Invalid or damaged Bootable partition" |
| 18:39.04 | shingouz | jubo2: so when you try to boot windows, you get that barf? |
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| 18:39.16 | niteye | do you get that when you choose "windows 7" from grub , or grub no longer appears at all? |
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| 18:39.24 | jubo2 | shingouz: when the machine boots instead of GRUB I get that error |
| 18:39.28 | klys | sync; matroxset /dev/fb1 -m 2 |
| 18:39.45 | klys | sync; matroxset /dev/fb1 -m o 1 2; ioctl failed: invalid argument |
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| 18:40.19 | klys | sync; matroxset /dev/fb1 -o 1 2; ioctl failed: invalid argument |
| 18:40.44 | klys | I did "-o 1 2" not "-m o 1 2" |
| 18:40.46 | shingouz | jubo2: and you have booted that computer earlier and it worked as planned? |
| 18:40.52 | jubo2 | shingouz: yes |
| 18:41.39 | klys | is there a channel which would support the matroxset utility |
| 18:41.52 | abrotman | klys: this one, but few people have a card from 15 years ago |
| 18:41.56 | abrotman | 10 years ago |
| 18:41.59 | shingouz | jubo2: looks like you get to play with the debian rescue mode from the installer. for some reason your boot record is screwed up |
| 18:42.23 | shingouz | abrotman: that is still practically new :p |
| 18:42.32 | klys | like I was saying, when I had a card like this before (same card) it worked well. |
| 18:42.42 | jaeckel | lo |
| 18:42.53 | jaeckel | someone knows the irc nick of michael stapelberg? |
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| 18:43.10 | jubo2 | shingouz: booting to rescue mode |
| 18:43.24 | shingouz | jubo2: from the installer? |
| 18:43.35 | jubo2 | shingouz: yes |
| 18:44.03 | klys | jubo2: you will need to boot the windows .iso from qemu. |
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| 18:44.36 | Jeeves_Moss | what repo do I need to install likewise-open? |
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| 18:44.43 | jubo2 | klys: I don't have a windows .iso and do not know what is qemu |
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| 18:45.31 | klys | jubo2: remember to use the -k en-us option with qemu-system-i386 or qemu-system-x86_64 |
| 18:46.13 | klys | jubo2: you can get the windows 7 .iso file from sitE:microsoft.com |
| 18:46.25 | klys | use that with google. |
| 18:46.57 | jubo2 | reinstalling grub from rescue mode installer was successfull |
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| 18:47.08 | jubo2 | big thanks for support |
| 18:47.26 | shingouz | !tell jubo2 about fixmbr |
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| 18:48.01 | anuse | Hello, what it's the most STABLE and SECURE way to mount a folder like a filesystem (like sshfs or nfs) toward WAN in a dedicated server? |
| 18:48.05 | anuse | thanks |
| 18:48.44 | abrotman | anuse: sshfs |
| 18:49.11 | anuse | abrotman, I experience failures when I want to cancel a copy of a file |
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| 18:50.42 | abrotman | anuse: do you really need to mount it ? you can't just use scp ? |
| 18:50.46 | Otaku_ | When i have a ntfs system with hardlinks, and copy a whole folder where severel hardlinks are stored to a ext4 system will it have hardlinks on the ext4 system or a lot of seperate files? |
| 18:50.55 | anuse | abrotman, yes |
| 18:51.09 | abrotman | anuse: nfs over vpn / |
| 18:51.12 | abrotman | ? |
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| 18:51.41 | anuse | abrotman, well... And what happens if the vpn server is compromised? |
| 18:51.59 | jelly-home | anuse: don't let it be compromised |
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| 18:52.04 | jordanm | anuse: what happens if the NFS server is compromised? |
| 18:52.11 | jelly-home | anuse: what happens if your endpoint is compromised? |
| 18:52.28 | wols_ | it's much easier to compromise NFS than a VPN |
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| 18:53.03 | jelly-home | uses sshfs over vpn, for casual use sshfs -o reconnect is good enough |
| 18:53.12 | anuse | jordanm, NFS had not encryption; jelly-home, more servers, more maintenance, more care, more possibles ways that it could be wrong |
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| 18:53.17 | jordanm | NFSv4 should be suitable over the internet, but I have never tried it |
| 18:53.19 | klys | otaku_ from `man cp' I can see that it will not preserve hard links. only symlinks that you can see with ls -l will be preserved. |
| 18:53.31 | jordanm | anuse: NFSv4 has encryption IIRC |
| 18:53.33 | anuse | jelly-home, I need the filesystem mounted for days, and it need to be stable |
| 18:53.47 | jordanm | jelly-home: I have found sshfs, even on a LAN, painfully slow |
| 18:54.06 | jelly-home | anuse: use a dedicated line then, not the internets |
| 18:54.35 | anuse | jelly-home, that's what I use |
| 18:54.50 | jelly-home | jordanm: it easily saturates my 20/2 Mbps DSL, good enough for me |
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| 18:55.07 | anuse | jelly-home, I mean, a vpn :P. My server has 1gb/s symetric |
| 18:55.15 | jordanm | jelly-home: it wasn't bandwidth, it was latency. have you tried using git on that sshfs mount? |
| 18:55.39 | Otaku_ | klys, so when i create a symlink with windows/linux on a ntfs drive and copy it they will continue working? |
| 18:55.53 | anuse | So... Basically you can only use sshfs or nfs, right? |
| 18:55.56 | jelly-home | jordanm: no, git already has decent support for working over ssh |
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| 18:55.58 | Otaku_ | on other file systems? |
| 18:55.59 | anuse | there isn't another one out there? |
| 18:56.30 | ompaul | anuse: we got a lot more stability going from random dsl lines to 10/10 synchronous and 20/20 synchronous same isp where both offices now have a ping time of 6ms between them |
| 18:56.40 | jelly-home | jordanm: I tried accessing a Maildir with 50k messages, that was painful, does that count? |
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| 18:56.54 | jordanm | jelly-home: only if you commit and push |
| 18:57.02 | ompaul | jelly-home: even 3k is painful across dsl |
| 18:57.11 | ompaul | with a few decent sized attachments |
| 18:57.29 | anuse | ompaul, I mean stability in the protocol. In my Lan, when I cancel a "cp something". Sshfs enters in a infinite loop of ""shit"" |
| 18:57.37 | jelly-home | ompaul: yes, that's why I don't do that. imap is good. |
| 18:57.44 | ompaul | jelly-home: :-) |
| 18:57.47 | anuse | sorry for the word, but it's the case. One time I get a kernel panic |
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| 18:58.03 | anuse | I got* |
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| 18:58.13 | klys | otaku_: links greated with cygwin coreutils will not be usable. msys/mingw32 coreutils should create usable symlinks for you. |
| 18:58.21 | ompaul | anuse: so I use ssh to allow people to ssh to their directories across a vpn, it's not the worlds fastest way of moving data but it works |
| 18:58.37 | ompaul | anuse: so they basically use konqueror and fish:// in there |
| 18:59.06 | anuse | ompaul, But... What version of sshfs do you use? |
| 18:59.06 | ompaul | anuse: kernel panics are not caused by things "going into a loop" |
| 18:59.11 | jelly-home | fish:// is just another sftp client, like sshfs |
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| 18:59.56 | ompaul | anuse: it works nicely and as it sftp so there is no fs except where the files live until someone wants to use one, then the company rule is very simple, copy to where you work, file where you are based |
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| 19:00.14 | ompaul | anuse: stuff open over ssh - na forget it - waste of space |
| 19:00.31 | ompaul | anuse: unless you are paying for gig end to end |
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| 19:00.46 | anuse | ompaul, basically I need sshfs for copy files all the time |
| 19:00.47 | ompaul | and even then use advisedly |
| 19:01.17 | ompaul | anuse: yes, and I'm suggesting using fish:// with konqueror and ssh keys in place - it has not let me down once in 5 years |
| 19:01.24 | ompaul | except when the lines when down :-/ |
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| 19:01.43 | ompaul | nickspam yuk |
| 19:01.47 | anuse | Hmmm... I will try it, thanks ompaul |
| 19:01.48 | jelly-home | anuse: rsync might be an option, depending on what exactly you're doing |
| 19:01.49 | jubo2 | 'k .. I've downloaded the firmware.tar.gz .. but the manual speaks nothing of how to _outside_ of installation to install the firmware to get the wlan to work |
| 19:02.14 | jelly-home | anuse: and its child lsyncd |
| 19:02.37 | anuse | jelly-home, Well, here is the thing. I need to get the data intact, and when I mean intact, I mean preserve the user and group to another machine with another linux distro. |
| 19:02.40 | shingouz | jubo2: what are you trying to do there? make your computer go into low earth orbit? |
| 19:02.54 | klys | abrotman so do you not think it will work without firmware |
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| 19:03.11 | jubo2 | shingouz: the Broadcom wlan chip needs something ( it's light grey in the networking selection ) |
| 19:03.13 | abrotman | klys: try it and let us know, easy enough to remove |
| 19:03.25 | klys | abrotman there is not g450 firmware |
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| 19:04.01 | abrotman | klys: okay |
| 19:04.10 | klys | abrotman and there are a lot of things that say the g450 does not work like a g400 or a g550. the chip is different. |
| 19:04.36 | klys | abrotman also I don't recall ever using firmware with my g450 efore. |
| 19:04.44 | abrotman | yes, they are different |
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| 19:06.20 | shingouz | jubo2: read what dpkg told you |
| 19:06.22 | jelly-home | anuse: so you have to be root at the destination |
| 19:06.35 | anuse | jelly-home, and thats all? |
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| 19:07.11 | klys | starts over |
| 19:07.30 | jelly-home | anuse: of course the chosen method of copying has to support unix ownerships and permissions. sftp and rsync can do that. |
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| 19:08.15 | klys | root (hd1,5) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.6-rc1 root=/dev/hdd6 vga=1 ro |
| 19:08.17 | shingouz | jubo2: i am suspecting you might want to install firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree while you are at it. doing those tarball installs is not really going to fly at this point |
| 19:08.33 | anuse | jelly-home, but you need to have the same group-user structure in the destination? |
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| 19:08.50 | jelly-home | anuse: structure? |
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| 19:09.38 | anuse | jelly-home, yes, I mean if I transfer a file with user:group that it isn't in the destination, what happends? |
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| 19:09.54 | jelly-home | anuse: most tools give you an option to preserve user names and groups, or to preserve numerical uids and gids |
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| 19:10.45 | jelly-home | and most, like tar when run as root, preserve numerical uid and gid if the username or group do not exist |
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| 19:11.04 | jubo2 | shingouz: ok |
| 19:11.04 | klys | matroxset -f /dev/fb0 -m 5; the secondary monitor is still displaying the same thing I see on the primary monitor...? |
| 19:11.25 | ompaul | anuse: if john is in both buildings then john will ssh to john's account but what if john on one box is part of staff on one box and part of the group john on the other - then you need to consider something like ldap to sync the users across both boxes but we don't know your organisation platform or anything else for that matter, for this reason it is useful to have the same file serving boxes on all sites and manage the users on a consistant platform, |
| 19:11.26 | ompaul | and firewall on a consistent level this is about planning not firefighting and reinventing or patching a wonky wheel |
| 19:11.28 | klys | If I do this with my newer kernel everything goes blank. |
| 19:11.52 | ompaul | anuse: it is more about user management than it is about anything else |
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| 19:12.48 | ompaul | anuse: sort out your use case requirements, then review the most sensible way rather than hacking a solution :) |
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| 19:13.04 | ompaul | i.e. plan don't react |
| 19:13.17 | anuse | ompaul, thanks, I will think about it. Thanks, really. |
| 19:13.20 | luminous | question: say I have some systems on an internal network that is unable to reach some apt repos. I want to setup some services, which need pkg from apt, is it easier to automate the setup/update for a mirror of select pkg (using existing apt as the source for the pkg), or just automate the package build process to setup a custom mirror? |
| 19:13.21 | anuse | you make yourself clear |
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| 19:15.50 | ompaul | luminous: lets say you stick a proxy server on the edge of your network for some value of edge, and then you tell all boxes on the network to grab from that, does that help or maybe what you are asking is to get this message for the bot /msg dpkg own repository |
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| 19:16.17 | luminous | ompaul: own repo sounds grfeat |
| 19:16.22 | klys | root (hd0,1) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.0-trunk-686-pae root=/dev/sda6 ro vga=1; initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.3.0-trunk-686-pae <-- debian kernel (starting over) |
| 19:16.52 | ompaul | luminous: there is also apt-cache go have look think about the ups and downs and then get on with it when you have made your choice |
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| 19:18.49 | ivanshmakov | When there’s at least a single host in an internal network that /can/ reach the repositories of interest, it’s possible to # apt-get install -d -- package there (note the ‘-d’ option), and then rsync(1) /var/cache/apt/archives/package*.deb from that host to the one where the package is needed. |
| 19:18.57 | luminous | ompaul: ultimately, the end result I am looking for is to specify a list of packages and to have something http/rsync setup for other debian/ubuntu systems to use for apt. I will need to build the glue between that list and the end result and so trying to find my ay through the darkness. |
| 19:19.06 | klys | ata2: SRST failed (errno=-16) <-- it seems it is having trouble with my IDE HDD. will try root=/dev/sda2 |
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| 19:19.31 | ivanshmakov | (Oh, well, that doesn’t take /var/lib/apt/lists/ into account…) |
| 19:19.35 | luminous | ompaul: to answer your question though.. it would need to be scalable RE the number of packages.. so the oslution should not care how many are in the list, provided I have time, bw, and storage spae |
| 19:19.41 | pie_ | I removed network-manager-gnome, and now autoremove wants to remove iw and wpasupplicant, which i need |
| 19:19.54 | pie_ | i did aptitude hold on both, but i read that that wont allow the packages to update |
| 19:19.57 | pie_ | what can i do? |
| 19:19.59 | ompaul | luminous: seems to me you might like to use a correctly set up cache your server, and to set up your own mini repo, that way you get the best of all worlds. |
| 19:20.14 | luminous | nods |
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| 19:21.38 | ompaul | luminous: if you use a sufficiently large proxy and have an almost infinite amount of days before you delete from the cache, and increase the size of packages allowed live on the device then apt-get updating and upgrading brings in big files and makes the load on the front end of your network a lot lighter |
| 19:22.02 | ompaul | luminous: the long life is to allow you install during the scope of the life of a release |
| 19:22.21 | luminous | right |
| 19:22.24 | ompaul | luminous: so starting from scratch your only limit is local network speed |
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| 19:22.59 | jubo2 | shingouz: no package by the name firmware-linux-nonfree ( and yes I did add contrib and non-free to the /etc/apt/sources.lst ) |
| 19:23.40 | ompaul | jubo2: and did you bother to apt-get update after you added those repos, I'll wager you read nothing |
| 19:23.53 | jubo2 | ompaul: no, I did not. Thank you for the tip |
| 19:24.02 | ompaul | jubo2: you are wasting everyones time by not doing the basics |
| 19:25.49 | niteye | in wheezy i have an application called "squeeze" heh, turns out its an archiver for xfce |
| 19:26.14 | luminous | is there a way to list all of (or search?) dpkg's full messasges? |
| 19:27.35 | abrotman | luminous: the bot? |
| 19:27.39 | luminous | yes |
| 19:27.45 | abrotman | eh, there are thousands |
| 19:27.48 | jubo2 | now firmware-linux-nonfree is installed though it did complain about "missing firmware" 8 times |
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| 19:28.23 | Dimtree | Is there a such thing as a debian netboot bundle that includes the nonfree drivers? |
| 19:29.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Dimtree about firmware installer |
| 19:29.21 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:29.26 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Dimtree about firmware images |
| 19:29.33 | abrotman | Dimtree: second time is the correct link |
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| 19:33.35 | _Dimtree | I'm not looking for an iso bundle with firmware, I'm looking for something suitable to boot over PXE |
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| 19:34.26 | evdo | why automake too old ? |
| 19:34.43 | anddam | what's the correct way to allow an user to edit configuration of a service? |
| 19:34.48 | anddam | tomcat in this case |
| 19:36.10 | abrotman | _Dimtree: ah, misunderstood. |
| 19:36.21 | anddam | assign the /etc/tomcat dir to a "tomcat" group and add the user to this group? |
| 19:36.36 | pie_ | any ideas about my package problem |
| 19:37.00 | peterrooney | luminous: /msg dpkg listkeys thing |
| 19:37.18 | abrotman | _Dimtree: in that case, I'm not sure |
| 19:38.00 | jubo2 | So.. any idea what would be step #2 after installing firmware-linux-nonfree .... the wlan in network seletion thingy is still greyed out |
| 19:38.13 | _Dimtree | found something: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
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| 19:39.15 | shingouz | jubo2: does ifconfig -a show anything resembling the correct interface? |
| 19:39.32 | luminous | peterrooney: thanks! |
| 19:39.50 | jubo2 | shingouz: only lo and eth0 |
| 19:40.05 | shingouz | jubo2: dmesg? |
| 19:40.09 | jubo2 | iwconfig |
| 19:40.17 | jubo2 | whoops.. wrong window |
| 19:40.27 | _Dimtree | jubo2: what about /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 19:40.47 | _Dimtree | jubo2: anything weird? |
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| 19:41.39 | Guest42178 | anyone help with the name of an Arch Linux room? |
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| 19:42.06 | jubo2 | _Dimtree: I don't know what am I supposed to be looking for in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:43.26 | jubo2 | shingouz: dmesg reports on some missing files at boottime 23 seconds.. maybe I should reboot and see if it starts working |
| 19:43.32 | shingouz | jubo2: see if dmesg shows anything. try modprobing the correct module. after that, ifconfig -a and see what it spits out. with the information you deign to dish out, we can only vaguely guess what is happening there |
| 19:43.40 | ompaul | jubo2: did you restart since that was installed - did you check out the factoid from the bot for your broadcom chip, if not shame on you |
| 19:43.46 | abrotman | Guest42178: /msg alis list *arch* |
| 19:44.06 | jubo2 | ompaul: I restart now |
| 19:44.19 | ompaul | yeah but did you read ... no I guess |
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| 19:45.00 | Guest42178 | thank you |
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| 19:45.47 | shingouz | ompaul: read? why read? it can make people sweat :p |
| 19:46.23 | ompaul | shingouz: I am not trying to curry favour with him, he needs to fix that damn thing, and stop leeching :) |
| 19:47.07 | shingouz | he needs to learn how to walk before trying to run. tarballs... sheesh.. |
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| 19:47.25 | jubo2 | saw something about "missing firmware" during the startup |
| 19:47.38 | ompaul | jubo2: you were told to /msg dpkg broadcom do it |
| 19:47.48 | jubo2 | ompaul: 'k 'k will do |
| 19:47.52 | ompaul | and read the web page stop asking people to hold your hand and think for you |
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| 19:48.24 | pie_ | i remember when i didnt know how to unpack tarballs.... |
| 19:48.30 | pie_ | it wasnt so long ago :D |
| 19:48.32 | pie_ | :P |
| 19:48.36 | ompaul | two minutes ago? |
| 19:49.20 | pie_ | you're off by five qualitative orders of magnitude but yeah |
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| 19:49.36 | pie_ | s/qualitative// |
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| 19:50.57 | pie_ | and i dont mean 200000 minutes |
| 19:51.14 | ompaul | pie_: well done :) |
| 19:51.20 | _Dimtree | .000002 minutes? |
| 19:51.48 | pie_ | _Dimtree: and no that either xD |
| 19:51.51 | pie_ | \o/ |
| 19:52.00 | pie_ | ompaul: i feel so accomplished |
| 19:52.12 | ompaul | !friend pie_ |
| 19:52.24 | pie_ | completely relevant: https://xkcd.com/1168/ |
| 19:52.24 | shingouz | nitpikrz-r-us :) |
| 19:52.38 | ompaul | shingouz: are you being pedantic>? |
| 19:52.40 | jmd | Is there an archive of stable installer images? The daily-images (at least today's one is totally broken). |
| 19:53.02 | _Dimtree | tar xzvf something.tar.gz |
| 19:53.04 | _Dimtree | I tin |
| 19:53.08 | _Dimtree | I win |
| 19:53.13 | ompaul | an internet |
| 19:53.34 | shingouz | ompaul: nope, i am just being nasty old me |
| 19:53.35 | ompaul | jmd: the suggested method is used stable and then dist upgrade |
| 19:53.37 | abrotman | jmd: that doesn't make sense .. the stable installer hasn't changed in 9 months |
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| 19:53.42 | pie_ | _Dimtree: error, file does not exist |
| 19:53.54 | jmd | So where do I get the installer? |
| 19:53.57 | pie_ | id just do tar |
| 19:54.01 | abrotman | jmd: for stable ? |
| 19:54.06 | ompaul | jmd: get a stable install image |
| 19:54.14 | pie_ | no nvm that sets $? to 2 |
| 19:54.22 | _Dimtree | tar --help |
| 19:54.25 | _Dimtree | also works |
| 19:54.26 | pie_ | tar --helrp |
| 19:54.29 | pie_ | ARGH |
| 19:54.29 | jmd | Yes. Althout the website says the image is for wheezy it actually refers to testing. |
| 19:54.36 | abrotman | which website? |
| 19:54.46 | jmd | The debian wiki |
| 19:54.49 | abrotman | ... |
| 19:54.56 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jmd about firmware images |
| 19:55.01 | pie_ | abrotman: bist du ein Brot? |
| 19:55.07 | pie_ | gets back to work |
| 19:55.09 | ompaul | pie_: offtopic and no |
| 19:55.13 | abrotman | pie_: perhaps you want #debian-offtopic ... |
| 19:55.13 | jmd | Hmm. Are there no official ones? |
| 19:55.17 | abrotman | jmd: sure |
| 19:55.22 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jmd about netinst |
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| 19:55.55 | jubo2 | tnx piippöls. the wlan works now :D |
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| 19:56.00 | jmd | abrotman: Yes. I've been there too. |
| 19:56.10 | jmd | The netinst image is not bootable. |
| 19:56.11 | abrotman | jmd: I don't understand how you screwed that up |
| 19:56.19 | abrotman | jmd: which image did you choose? what hardware do you have? |
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| 19:56.38 | jmd | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/mipsel/iso-cd/debian-7.3.0-mipsel-netinst.iso |
| 19:56.48 | ompaul | and what are you installing that on? |
| 19:56.51 | jmd | I have a mips64el |
| 19:57.03 | abrotman | jmd: it doesn't boot at all? |
| 19:57.04 | ompaul | and what are you installing that on? |
| 19:57.10 | ompaul | jmd: exactly what model |
| 19:57.28 | abrotman | why make the conversation difficult .. |
| 19:57.54 | jmd | on a lemote-yeeloong-2f-8.9-inches if that means anything to you. |
| 19:58.00 | ompaul | it dos |
| 19:58.03 | ompaul | does |
| 19:58.10 | ompaul | I have one about 2m from my head |
| 19:58.17 | _Dimtree | hehe |
| 19:58.18 | jmd | abrotman: Yes. perhaps you could talk to me rather than through dpkg? |
| 19:58.46 | shingouz | jubo2: see? reading the instructions first tends to make things a lot easier on everyone |
| 19:59.07 | jmd | ompaul: How did you install it? |
| 19:59.39 | ompaul | jmd: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianYeeloong/HowTo/Install |
| 19:59.48 | jmd | It really is about time dpkg was banned from this channel. |
| 19:59.49 | jubo2 | shingouz: the dpkg messages are handy indeed |
| 19:59.51 | ompaul | jmd: I haven't turnoe one in a year |
| 19:59.53 | ompaul | or more |
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| 20:00.10 | ompaul | I have two - one of those and one of the little 120g models |
| 20:00.23 | jmd | ompaul: I have been following that page all day. It is outdated/incorrect. |
| 20:00.36 | ompaul | ah lovely its been a while just a sec |
| 20:01.11 | shingouz | jubo2: you can access them by /msg dpkg <keyword> |
| 20:01.24 | dondelelcaro | jmd: can you give us details on how it's failing to boot? does it do anything at all? |
| 20:01.40 | jubo2 | shingouz: I've noticed that |
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| 20:01.44 | shingouz | ...and read them *before* you start randomly installing tarballs left and right.. |
| 20:01.56 | ompaul | jmd: have a look at that link I pmmed it may be useful |
| 20:02.01 | _Dimtree | ./msg dpkg fish |
| 20:02.08 | jmd | dondelelcaro: Well the first issue is that the kernel on the netinst image crashes when trying to set up the wifi. |
| 20:02.10 | ompaul | jmd: it was something I used to be involved with |
| 20:02.13 | shingouz | goes aay for a bit to kick the neighbor |
| 20:02.20 | jubo2 | the tarball woulda worked just fine if I had found it at installation time and extracted the right firmware |
| 20:02.30 | jmd | I can work around that by using the wired ethernet. |
| 20:02.54 | jmd | The next issue is that one of the scripts refers to zpool which does not exist on the image. |
| 20:03.05 | jmd | Consequently the base system cannot be installed. |
| 20:03.06 | dondelelcaro | jmd: so it's actually booting, but you're running into errors |
| 20:03.30 | jmd | dondelelcaro: The busybox installer is booting, yes. |
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| 20:03.37 | dondelelcaro | jmd: anyway, you can find older images here: http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/mipsel/ |
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| 20:03.53 | dondelelcaro | jmd: and if you give us the precise zpool error that you're getting, we can probably help you work around that too |
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| 20:04.50 | dondelelcaro | (or you can use an older install image, which may just work) |
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| 20:05.20 | jmd | Well obviously it is in ram, so I don't have it around. But it was something like "/usr/share/debboot/script/base: 49 zpool Command not found" |
| 20:06.00 | dondelelcaro | jmd: it'll be on the console, which you should be able to scroll back to, or in the installer log, iirc, which you can view with more |
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| 20:06.17 | jmd | Yes. I know that. |
| 20:06.38 | jmd | But the installer log is in RAM so disappears when I reboot. |
| 20:07.21 | dondelelcaro | jmd: sure, but you can recreate it, and save it, or copy it to some other system, or something else. |
| 20:07.37 | jmd | dondelelcaro: If I spend the effort to reproduce the problem, will you try to help me? or will you just paste some URL or a /dpkg spam? |
| 20:08.14 | dondelelcaro | jmd: if you give the precise error, someone here will probably help you, or at least, you will have generated enough information to file a proper bug |
| 20:08.21 | abrotman | jmd: have you ever successfully installed this system, or is this the first time? |
| 20:08.23 | dondelelcaro | if I'm here, I'll help |
| 20:08.39 | jmd | abrotman: This is the first time. |
| 20:08.59 | dondelelcaro | jmd: and if you were trying to install on ZFS, that might be part of your problem. |
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| 20:09.27 | jmd | dondelelcaro: I think the installer took it upon itself to install on ZFS. I didn't choose to do so. |
| 20:09.37 | dondelelcaro | it's possible that the ZFS udeb wasn't actually installed when that particular base script ran, and manually causing it to install that udeb will probably work |
| 20:09.48 | jmd | I'll start the process over again.... |
| 20:09.53 | dondelelcaro | (or alternativley, someone is working on integrating zfs, and submitted a patch that made it into that installer, and hasn't finished yet) |
| 20:10.40 | jmd | It's a shame there isn't a stable installer. |
| 20:10.51 | jmd | ok. Booting... |
| 20:11.44 | jmd | BTW. Please don't ask for EXACT error messages. Obviously I can only transcribe what I see on the screen. I can't paste. |
| 20:11.58 | dondelelcaro | jmd: take a picture |
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| 20:12.12 | Guest42178 | Although there are various Linux Kernels they all pretty much try to do the same job. I was wondering, is it worth writing your own or better to just pick one and add to it or modify it. Would that still count as you engineering a Kernel? |
| 20:12.23 | jmd | Dunno if my camera can go in that close! |
| 20:12.45 | shingouz | jmd: and do not use flash! |
| 20:13.05 | dondelelcaro | most decent phone cameras can do it, but whatever works |
| 20:13.24 | dondelelcaro | if you have network working, you can probably also get a paste site to work |
| 20:14.05 | jmd | dondelelcaro: If I could install a browser... |
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| 20:14.17 | abrotman | on your phone? |
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| 20:14.34 | jmd | I don't own a mobile phone. |
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| 20:15.04 | dondelelcaro | !tell jmd -about wgetpaste |
| 20:15.19 | dondelelcaro | assuming you have bash, wget, and tar, that will work. |
| 20:15.24 | Guest42178 | I mean can you lay claim to it being your own work, your own engineering? Even if you honestly coded it from scratch and happen to model similar kernels that are available already |
| 20:15.49 | dondelelcaro | Guest42178: this is #debian; that doesn't have anything to do with us. try ##linux or #debian-offtopic or similar. |
| 20:16.10 | jmd | Ok. booted. Now I have to go to the basement where the network rack is ... |
| 20:17.25 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 20:18.24 | wedge | Guest42178: why write your own kernel? it's years and years of work to start from scratch :P |
| 20:19.03 | Guest42178 | It is thats true |
| 20:19.23 | Guest42178 | Years i've got lol |
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| 20:20.06 | abrotman | Guest42178: ##kernel, ##linux, or #debian-offtopic please |
| 20:20.58 | Guest42178 | How long did it take to develop the debian Kernel - is that a safe question to ask in here? lol |
| 20:21.15 | tremon | 20 years and counting |
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| 20:21.36 | Guest42178 | 20 years to develop the Debian Kernel wow thats along time. |
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| 20:22.00 | Guest42178 | a lot of people working on the Debian Kernel also |
| 20:22.15 | abrotman | Guest42178: Do you have a Debian support question? |
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| 20:22.40 | Guest42178 | Is this only a Debian Support room? |
| 20:22.53 | jmd | OK. So here we are again at "Base system installation error". |
| 20:22.55 | abrotman | Yes, which is why you've been directed to numerous other channels. |
| 20:22.56 | Guest42178 | cause it only says Debian on the room title and nothing else |
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| 20:23.16 | abrotman | jmd: did we get a photo this time? |
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| 20:23.47 | Guest42178 | Yes this is just Debian ok - saw this just now 20:23 -!- BuFF [~3p0@94.244.83.182] has joined #debian |
| 20:23.48 | jmd | in syslogd the error message is: "(process:3819) zpool: not found" |
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| 20:24.05 | abrotman | Guest42178: do you need help with Debian support? |
| 20:24.22 | abrotman | jmd: have you done anything in the installer, or this is just booting? |
| 20:24.40 | Guest42178 | Yes I need verification that i'm in the correct debian room can you provide that please abrotman? |
| 20:24.49 | abrotman | Guest42178: I already have, you missed it |
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| 20:25.16 | Guest42178 | can you send it again thanks and how to go there thanks |
| 20:25.29 | abrotman | Guest42178: ##kernel, ##linux, or #debian-offtopic |
| 20:25.30 | jmd | I've entered the meta information, set up the network and partitioned the disk and formatted the partitions. The next stage is installing the base system. That is where it fails. |
| 20:25.39 | hyper_ch | hi there, for some reason when I run apt in the terminal it uses a different language than what I setup as default on the system. Everything else in the terminal seems to use the system language. Is there a fix for that? |
| 20:25.47 | abrotman | jmd: what partition types did you choose, etc? |
| 20:25.54 | Guest42178 | So if I go to ##kernel I can talk about any Kernel I want to? |
| 20:25.57 | abrotman | yes |
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| 20:26.03 | jmd | abrotman: Is that relevant? |
| 20:26.08 | Guest42178 | ok thanks |
| 20:26.11 | Guest42178 | i'll try that |
| 20:26.31 | jmd | I chose LVM with separate /home if it is relevant. |
| 20:26.33 | abrotman | jmd: potentially, yes. zpool seems to be related to zfs, so if you're not choosing zfs partitions |
| 20:26.47 | jmd | No. I did not choose zfs |
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| 20:27.57 | jmd | In fact, I don't recall an option for ZFS. |
| 20:28.55 | jmd | However, the first error in /var/log/syslogd is "/lib/partman/init.d/26zfs-devices: line 42: zpool: not found" |
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| 20:33.06 | abrotman | jmd: and this is the Wheezy netinst? |
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| 20:34.03 | jmd | abrotman: It is the netinst which the website says is for Wheezy. |
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| 20:34.14 | jmd | However it seems to point to testing. |
| 20:34.32 | jmd | (Didn't I mention that earlier) |
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| 20:34.55 | babilen | jmd: You mentioned http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/mipsel/iso-cd/debian-7.3.0-mipsel-netinst.iso earlier which shouldn't point to testing at all |
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| 20:35.41 | jmd | babilen: That was another approach I was trying. |
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| 20:36.04 | jmd | What I'm using now is http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/mipsel/daily/loongson-2f/netboot/ |
| 20:36.54 | babilen | jmd: Well, if you are using the testing installer then it is no wonder that something isn't working as it should. Yeah, I wouldn't expect that image to work. (well, it might .. but then it's a gamble if either the installer is working or testing is installable or ...) |
| 20:37.20 | jmd | babilen: Wheezy is stable isn't it? |
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| 20:37.56 | babilen | jmd: Yes it is. But the wheezy (stable) installer isn't a daily image. |
| 20:38.48 | jmd | But (as I have explained only a few minutes ago) this is the one which the instructions tell us to use for wheezy. If those instructions are wrong, could somebody please put me right. |
| 20:43.00 | tremon | those instructions are wrong. Where did you find them? |
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| 20:43.34 | jmd | tremon: At the URL people keep telling me to read. |
| 20:43.41 | tremon | which is... |
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| 20:44.58 | jmd | tremon: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianYeeloong/HowTo/Install |
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| 20:45.11 | tremon | yeah, I found it in the scrollback .thx |
| 20:45.53 | tremon | ok, "the wheezy cdimage [.. is] not bootable". So I'm wrong here :) |
| 20:45.56 | OldParr | synaptic is looking for http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/c/chromium-browser/chromium_29.0.1547.57-1~deb7u1_amd64.deb to install chromiun but that file is not there (i searched for it manually there are other similars instead), how do i make synaptic look for the wright file ? |
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| 20:46.59 | jmd | tremon: And even if it was, one would need to get it onto a medium from which it could be booted... |
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| 20:47.52 | jubo2 | whoa.. had a scary moment there.. keymaps somehow changed so that letter 'o' gives '6' and 'p' gives '*' .. noticed this as casually opening top |
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| 20:48.05 | jubo2 | reboot. keymaps in order |
| 20:48.21 | tremon | or switch off numlock perhaps? |
| 20:48.34 | jubo2 | tremon: embarracing |
| 20:48.36 | jubo2 | you are right |
| 20:48.47 | jubo2 | I musta had numlock on |
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| 20:49.23 | abrotman | OldParr: aptitude update? |
| 20:49.24 | jubo2 | 'k 'k so scary moment turns into stupid moment in a spin of a few electrons, way to go jubo-jubo |
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| 20:49.50 | jmd | dondelelcaro: So. Have you any ideas? |
| 20:50.14 | tremon | jmd: looks like you have quite a challenge there. If the most recent doesn't work, try an older one from http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/mipsel/ |
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| 20:50.54 | jmd | tremon: I was afraid the answer might be something like that ... |
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| 20:51.29 | tremon | I'm afraid it's not hardware everyone has lying around to try. Maybe there's a specific channel for the yeeloong hardware you can ask/ |
| 20:51.30 | tremon | ? |
| 20:51.58 | ompaul | jmd: I did send you a message about some stuff you might read about one of the projects I know uses it |
| 20:52.28 | ompaul | jmd: I don't know how up to date that is, but the debian link describes it inaccurate it uses a 3.something kernel |
| 20:52.34 | abrotman | he might even do better with a testing installer image |
| 20:52.37 | jubo2 | ompaul: abrotman: sry guys for assuming someone would want to hold my hand.. I'm used to places like ##French, ##economics and #Diaspora who've all given me hand-holding |
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| 20:53.03 | jmd | ompaul: The Gnewsense one. I'll will read that to see if it has any ideas. |
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| 20:53.43 | ompaul | jmd: I have contacts on the project let me know if you want to talk to one of the guys who deved on it |
| 20:53.56 | jmd | ompaul: Which project? |
| 20:54.02 | ompaul | jmd: gNS |
| 20:54.39 | jmd | Odd. I thought gNS was Ubuntu based. |
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| 20:55.42 | ompaul | jmd: not for the lemote stuff - couldn't be |
| 20:55.46 | ompaul | so it was moved to debian |
| 20:55.57 | zinx | good move methinks |
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| 20:56.14 | ompaul | jmd: anything further is offtopic I'll gladly have a chat in #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:01.50 | babilen | jmd: You might want to install wheezy with the daily rather than testing (might be worth a try) |
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| 21:09.15 | OldParr | abrotman: it is fixed, thanks |
| 21:10.00 | jmd | babilen: Didn't I just say that was exactly what I was doing? |
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| 21:10.47 | babilen | jmd: You said "However it seems to point to testing" :) |
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| 21:11.35 | jmd | So what are you suggesting I try? Which "daily" ? and from where ? |
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| 21:13.01 | babilen | jmd: I was suggesting to use whatever installer you can boot (as the wheezy one doesn't seem to work) and use that to install wheezy (not jessie or testing or ..) |
| 21:13.43 | jmd | How do I do that? It doesn't give me choice. It just has a menu from which I can "install the base system" |
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| 21:16.20 | hassen | i don't understand why a .pdf file might be risky and requires that the chrome browser echoes a warning |
| 21:16.45 | nkuttler | hassen: exploits in acrobat reader |
| 21:17.03 | jmd | hassen: Some pds contain commands to execute arbitrary commands. |
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| 21:17.16 | abrotman | via the auto-enabled JS engine in Adobe Reader |
| 21:17.30 | nkuttler | ew, even without exploits then.. |
| 21:17.35 | babilen | jmd: Use the expert installer |
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| 21:17.43 | nkuttler | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.45 | jmd | babilen: URL? |
| 21:17.57 | babilen | jmd: Boot the installer with "expert" rather than hitting enter |
| 21:18.09 | babilen | (it offers that in the installer boot menu) |
| 21:18.29 | jmd | I don't think remember such an offering, but I will look. |
| 21:18.35 | hassen | so no worries since i'm using the debian's built-in pdf reader? |
| 21:20.14 | jmd | No. There is no "expert" mode. |
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| 21:22.49 | jhutchins | hassen: Probably not. It's still possible, be sensitive about what you're getting and where it's from. |
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| 21:24.43 | jmd | gadago: Enter password: |
| 21:25.00 | gadago | jmd, yeah, sorry type |
| 21:25.52 | gadago | could anyone help me with a sound card issue? specifically with a ALC887-VD |
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| 21:26.07 | gadago | I get no sound at all and have trawled google for answers |
| 21:28.12 | jhutchins | !tell gadago about alsa checklist |
| 21:28.19 | jhutchins | gadago: Start with the PM from dpkg. |
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| 21:28.41 | gadago | it seems most people are able to fix by adding options snd_hda_intel model=generic to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
| 21:31.33 | gadago | thanks jhutchins |
| 21:31.42 | gadago | I think I have pretty much exhausted all of those though |
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| 21:40.50 | owen1 | I would like to type in Chinese. I don't have Desktop Manager. right now I switch between US and dvorak with 'setxkbmap dvorak'. is that how I should switch to Chinese? |
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| 21:50.17 | owen1 | frostschutz: thank you. i'll start on google foo! |
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| 21:50.34 | iKb | i have a sh.x file |
| 21:50.49 | iKb | a install file |
| 21:50.54 | iKb | how can i read the content? |
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| 21:51.31 | jaami-win | file manager shows size od database greater than 0 while pull copies the db file with 0 size. what could be wrong with pull? |
| 21:51.41 | abrotman | iKb: less sh.x |
| 21:52.05 | jaami-win | sorry wrong channel |
| 21:52.49 | frostschutz | iKb, or strings sh.x | less if it's one of those binary blob things |
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| 21:53.52 | iKb | frostschutz, abrotman it is a binary file |
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| 21:54.12 | iKb | i was searching a method to "descript it" |
| 21:54.19 | iKb | decript* |
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| 21:55.18 | abrotman | iKb: uhm, then you can't read it .. try 'file sh.x' .. what does it say ? |
| 21:56.03 | iKb | abrotman, ELF 64-bit LSB executable |
| 21:56.12 | frostschutz | iKb, there's no generic answer to it... you can read the first few lines (if that part is a shell script that kick starts the installation process) everything else depends on the file, it could be anything |
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| 22:06.45 | hassen | lmao... |
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| 22:06.59 | hassen | the caps lock functionality is reversed |
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| 22:07.22 | hassen | caps on=lowercase/caps off=uppercase |
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| 22:08.04 | klys | press and release both shift keys...? |
| 22:08.31 | hassen | klys: no use |
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| 22:09.56 | klys | sudo chvt 1; press and release, tap caps twice; ctrl+alt+f7 (or f8, etc.); press and release, tap caps twice; try again... |
| 22:10.27 | hassen | su |
| 22:10.31 | hassen | duh |
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| 22:18.40 | nonconvergent | So I want to make a copy or link of a directory, recursively, but I want to do it selectively, linking/copying only certain filetypes. |
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| 22:20.11 | hassen | hehe...strange |
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| 22:22.03 | pluto | When will a 7.3 live iso be made? |
| 22:22.08 | abrotman | nonconvergent: script |
| 22:22.13 | abrotman | pluto: ask #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:22.18 | pluto | tba ms |
| 22:22.20 | klys | copy the meat of it first, then hit the linked file types. start with find | egrep -v "\.file" | egrep -v "\.file" ...; and then do echo `find | grep file` `find | grep file` ... |
| 22:22.21 | pluto | thanks |
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| 22:23.03 | abrotman | nonconvergent: also, rsync can do filters |
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| 22:25.07 | crane | hey ho, i'm running xfce4.8 on wheezy with the nvidia driver. now i have the tearing problem. even if i adjust my nvidia card to use the max power any suggestions? |
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| 22:25.40 | ghostlines | is there a way to setup ksplice manually, without having oracle deliver the updates? |
| 22:26.03 | dubwoc | if you rely that much on uptime you might want to reconsider your setup |
| 22:27.22 | mrmr | crane: just curious, what video card you have? |
| 22:27.24 | ghostlines | I want to test it before throwing money at oracle |
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| 22:28.09 | abrotman | crane: it might be overheating |
| 22:29.32 | Radon_3 | ok, due to some reasons (personal ones) I am moving on from my relationship with window$, and I think debian is the right linux distribution for me. but I need a lil help here |
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| 22:30.09 | Radon_3 | which version should I be installing? 32bit or 64bit? |
| 22:30.13 | crane | abrotman, i dont think it's overheating ^^ |
| 22:30.19 | abrotman | Radon_3: how much RAM in your system ? |
| 22:30.22 | abrotman | crane: okay |
| 22:30.28 | dubwoc | ghostlines: I thin kit is pretty safe to say that ksplice works.. |
| 22:30.29 | Radon_3 | about 1FB |
| 22:30.32 | Radon_3 | GB |
| 22:30.37 | abrotman | Radon_3: probably 32bit |
| 22:30.42 | Radon_3 | ok |
| 22:30.44 | dubwoc | ghostlines: however, from a sysadmin perspective I think it is a crutch.. |
| 22:30.50 | crane | mrmr, nvidia 570gtx |
| 22:31.05 | Radon_3 | a complete installation or a small installation image? |
| 22:31.53 | abrotman | Radon_3: if you have broadband, use the netinst, if you have wifi, use the firmware images that have firmware (ask us for the link) |
| 22:32.27 | mrmr | crane: you can try nouveau and see how it goes? |
| 22:32.29 | Radon_3 | isn't http://www.debian.org/distrib/ the correct link? |
| 22:32.29 | ghostlines | dubwoc: why would you say so, think it would be handy not having to reboot |
| 22:32.42 | otatoP | I almost always go with the "netinst" image, should be about 200 mb. It will download the rest during installation. |
| 22:33.00 | crane | mrmr, that was the reason i tried the official nvidia driver... got there also that tearing |
| 22:33.14 | crane | i may be wrong but in gnome3 it is running nce and fluid |
| 22:33.21 | crane | so i think its xfce |
| 22:33.22 | Radon_3 | how big is the complete image? |
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| 22:34.31 | abrotman | Radon_3: if you have broadband, use the netinst |
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| 22:35.24 | Okee | who manages lists.debian.org? |
| 22:35.41 | Okee | who manages lists.debian.org? |
| 22:35.46 | ghostlines | dubwoc: ahh I see it's possible to build your own kernels and just use ksplice to update it live without using oracle's paid service |
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| 22:36.19 | Radon_3 | well I do, but there is a huge possibility that I might lose my connection during the installation, cause my DSL line is not that stable and I am not living in the US or Japan or Europe or even some African countries |
| 22:36.34 | ompaul | oh if only there was a web page http://lists.debian.org |
| 22:36.46 | dubwoc | ghostlines: what is your usecase ? |
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| 22:37.03 | phill_ | hello |
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| 22:37.27 | abrotman | Radon_3: it's probably still better than trying to download an ISO where you might lose your connectoin ? |
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| 22:38.16 | Radon_3 | abrotman: I think you are on the ground that I might not need a few packages, right? |
| 22:38.29 | Radon_3 | so I don't have to download the whole thing |
| 22:38.34 | otatoP | Exactly. |
| 22:39.12 | abrotman | Radon_3: good thinking |
| 22:39.22 | otatoP | If you want a fast install, you could even use netinst and skip the desktop/gui, installing that manually when you're done. |
| 22:39.46 | ompaul | Okee: I presume you saw the link |
| 22:39.47 | Radon_3 | ok |
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| 22:40.13 | phill_ | can someone tell me how to install aweso,e wm 3.5 in wheezy? |
| 22:40.17 | Radon_3 | I am probably going with the net thingy then, thank you all <3 |
| 22:40.21 | Okee | ompaul> Not sure what link you are referring to> |
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| 22:40.31 | phill_ | awesome* |
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| 22:40.43 | ompaul | Okee: oh if only there was a web page http://lists.debian.org |
| 22:40.49 | ompaul | Okee: the info you want is on there |
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| 22:42.23 | Okee | ompaul> I sent a message to the listarchives@debian.org, but haven't heard back from anyone. |
| 22:42.26 | klys | phill_ apt-get install awesome; emacs ~/.xinitrc (or you can use ~/.xsession); make it say `awesome' and comment everything else out with #; $ startx |
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| 22:42.57 | abrotman | klys: that doesn't answer his question |
| 22:43.16 | klys | or you can ask him |
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| 22:43.22 | ompaul | Okee: it's not a full time job, they get a lot of mail. |
| 22:43.23 | phill_ | this installs awesome 3.4... but i need awesome 3.5 installed |
| 22:43.27 | abrotman | klys: IT DOES NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTION |
| 22:43.34 | ompaul | !volunteers |
| 22:43.34 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
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| 22:44.16 | Okee | ompaul> Ok, thanks. |
| 22:44.29 | abrotman | phill_: You can see what dpkg told you in privmsg, that's the only method I'm aware of. The only 3.5.x packages I see are for experimental, so you can try to backport those if you want |
| 22:44.32 | klys | you're right. from wheezy package awesome: Version: 3.4.13-1 |
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| 22:45.00 | abrotman | looks at the package deps |
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| 22:45.54 | abrotman | phill_: actually, dependoing on your architecture, you might bea ble to just install the awesomewm package from experimetnal |
| 22:47.03 | phill_ | abrotman: the msg dpkg sent me |
| 22:47.31 | phill_ | if i understand it correctly it means that i should install awesome with apt-get |
| 22:47.41 | phill_ | and update it through the source file? |
| 22:47.49 | abrotman | phill_: no, it says you should install the source package, then use uupdate |
| 22:48.17 | phill_ | aaah |
| 22:48.43 | phill_ | how could i install it from the experimental repos? |
| 22:50.11 | abrotman | phill_: you can try to wget the package, then install it directly, but it may not work |
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| 22:51.09 | klys | directly == # dpkg -iGREB package_version_arch.deb |
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| 22:54.30 | abrotman | klys: eh .. no? |
| 22:54.45 | abrotman | klys: do you even know what those options do? |
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| 22:57.53 | klys | yes, it will prevent you from doing something undesirable. the debootstrap utility used to used -iGROEB |
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| 22:58.59 | abrotman | klys: do you actually know what those options do? |
| 22:59.11 | abrotman | (and you gave different options each time) |
| 22:59.13 | klys | E == don't install equal version |
| 22:59.25 | klys | yes, you can't specify -O |
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| 23:05.43 | axa | hello |
| 23:06.17 | axa | if I have a file compiled for x86 Linux you can run it on arm linux? by some software? |
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| 23:07.08 | abrotman | qemu perhaps |
| 23:07.12 | klys | qemu-system-arm from package: qemu |
| 23:07.41 | axa | but I reinstallar all the x86 system? |
| 23:07.41 | klys | qemu-system-x86_64 or qemu-system-i386 from package: qemu |
| 23:07.45 | klys | ..I mean |
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| 23:08.20 | klys | you have to get the arm / armel / armhf version of qemu though |
| 23:08.45 | axa | ok |
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| 23:09.42 | axa | This is the official channel of debian ^? |
| 23:10.30 | abrotman | one of the Debian channels |
| 23:10.52 | hassen | axa: you may find other debian channels in other networks for sure,but this one is the most populated |
| 23:12.43 | klys | so, wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/I think it is linked to irc server irc.debian.org, so yes |
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| 23:16.26 | trampel | any wagers on how long until a dist-upgrade dumps systemd on us?: (a) 1 month (b) 6 month (c) 1 year (d) infinity (e) who_cares? |
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| 23:16.52 | nkuttler | trampel: d |
| 23:17.01 | abrotman | trampel: who cares? |
| 23:17.10 | Deeps | e |
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| 23:17.30 | abrotman | trampel: you're free to use any other distro that uses the init system you prefer |
| 23:17.36 | klys | anyway, mkdir x; cd x; wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6_2.13-38_armel.deb; ar xv libc6_2.13-38_armel.deb; tar zxpvf data.tar.gz; lib/ld-linux.so.2 --help |
| 23:17.42 | klys | axa: you |
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| 23:18.05 | klys | if it won't run, try the armhf package |
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| 23:18.23 | abrotman | how will tha thelp? |
| 23:18.34 | klys | if it does run, you can chroot to debian and run qemu that way |
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| 23:29.23 | klys | nkuttler: should package: cinnamon work without systemd ? |
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| 23:30.42 | abrotman | klys: look at the dependencies |
| 23:30.47 | klys | I have it installed |
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| 23:31.14 | abrotman | so look |
| 23:31.14 | nkuttler | klys: i don't really care, but yeah, gnome might require it. that being said, i don't think gnome will be the default for much longer |
| 23:31.28 | klys | ...what will be then |
| 23:31.35 | abrotman | does it matter? do you use the default? |
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| 23:32.04 | dondelelcaro | 9~/sb end |
| 23:32.07 | klys | I want a supported experience with a good file manager (not that fond of the menu button.) |
| 23:32.09 | nkuttler | klys: the last i've seen there was talk about using xfce instead |
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| 23:33.01 | abrotman | klys: You can still use whatever you would like. You should work with your choice during the tesitng cycle to ensure it works well at release time |
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| 23:35.33 | klys | do you know how you can, with some file managers, have a pane listing files and directories, and if you scroll over a directory, it opens a new pane to the right, and if you push right, you can open further panes to the right; and the pane is of the same height and latitude of the leftmost pane...? |
| 23:35.51 | klys | that's what I want. |
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| 23:37.04 | dondelelcaro | klys: there's mc, which I think does that |
| 23:37.13 | klys | oh, ...if it scrolls too far right it shifts all panes left one...still dreaming... |
| 23:37.23 | dondelelcaro | honestly just uses the shell, so doesn't track file managers that much |
| 23:37.27 | klys | the thing with mc, dondelelcaro, is that there are only two panes |
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| 23:38.02 | dondelelcaro | klys: dired does that, but that requires you use emacs... and it doesn't automatically remove the panes iirc. |
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| 23:38.29 | klys | can direc use mime-support to open the correct app with X |
| 23:38.35 | klys | *dired |
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| 23:39.11 | klys | I think it's just for opening things within emacs dondelelcaro |
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| 23:40.03 | dondelelcaro | klys: it's emacs. it opens everything. ;) |
| 23:40.18 | dondelelcaro | (and if it doesn't, you don't actually need to open it) |
| 23:40.26 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:40.27 | klys | well, I haven't seen emacs ever launch an xterm |
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| 23:40.50 | dondelelcaro | klys: doesn't really need to; it's got its own shell. |
| 23:41.14 | abrotman | klys: it sounds like you want the OSX file manager? |
| 23:41.25 | klys | so is there a look-alike |
| 23:41.43 | abrotman | is that what you want? |
| 23:41.54 | klys | I don't think so I only want Free software |
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| 23:42.33 | dondelelcaro | klys: but anyway, if you were a devoted emacs user, you could use icicles, which apparently does that for dired... but beyond that, I don't really have any great ideas |
| 23:42.50 | abrotman | maybe you sohuld figure out what you want. I"m fairly certain you're asking about the OSX file manager. Use google, look at some screenshots. |
| 23:43.07 | klys | why? it will never be Free software. |
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| 23:43.20 | qman | to paraphrase someone much funnier than I, emacs is a great operating system, but the text editor sucks |
| 23:43.30 | abrotman | klys: because there might be a clone |
| 23:43.30 | klys | I use emacs -nw a lot |
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| 23:43.49 | klys | abrotman: I need help finding it if there is one |
| 23:43.57 | dondelelcaro | klys: if you use X, you might find emacs; and then emacsclient -nw foo; useful if you didn't already know about it.. |
| 23:44.01 | dondelelcaro | but I'm getting way OT. |
| 23:44.14 | abrotman | klys: I"m asking you to verify you want something that works like the OSX file manager, which you keep refusing to do |
| 23:44.45 | klys | well, I described something a lot like that, which is verifiable if you know what I said. |
| 23:45.12 | trampel | klys: a little dated but http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1398384 ...eventually concludes with either Dolphin or Konqueror |
| 23:45.15 | abrotman | So why can't you just say you want a GUI file manager that works like the OSX file manager? |
| 23:45.40 | klys | I wouldn't mind it if it was a gui I would just put it in ~/.xinitrc |
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| 23:47.02 | qman | I don't really use file managers all that much, but when I do, pcmanfm is my choice. I don't know if it can behave the way you're looking for, though. |
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| 23:51.04 | klys | I think I tried pcmanfm recently. I'm trying to startx chrooted atm. |
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| 23:51.16 | rfxchlx | hi guys, i need a little help for compiling a kernel. There is one thing i don't understand really well. |
| 23:51.16 | rfxchlx | What is the meaning of the ending *.o *.c *.h and *.ko? |
| 23:51.16 | rfxchlx | The problem is that when i tell the compile to install "dm-crypt", it doesnt! |
| 23:51.16 | rfxchlx | CONFIG_DM_CRYPT=y |
| 23:51.16 | rfxchlx | make modules_install |
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| 23:51.57 | Jeeves_Moss | is there a way to use a USB gps as a stratium 1 NTP server? |
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| 23:53.00 | klys | rfxchlx: make dep; make modules; make modules_install |
| 23:53.28 | dondelelcaro | Jeeves_Moss: yes, but in general, it's not really necesary |
| 23:53.43 | klys | rfxchlx: it should tell you that make dep is unneccessary though if it does anything like it claimed to do before it became unneccessary it is quite a good thing to do. |
| 23:53.52 | abrotman | klys: he's not even in the channel .. |
| 23:54.03 | klys | k |
| 23:54.07 | Jeeves_Moss | dondelelcaro, I know it's not, but that's not the point. LOL |
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| 23:54.40 | Jeeves_Moss | dondelelcaro, I just want to know how to do it |
| 23:55.00 | dondelelcaro | Jeeves_Moss: http://www.rjsystems.nl/en/2100-ntpd-garmin-gps-18-lvc-gpsd.php |
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| 23:55.25 | Jeeves_Moss | dondelelcaro, thanks. |
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| 23:57.28 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: gps as ntpd source is <reply>To use a gps as a time source for ntpd, see http://www.rjsystems.nl/en/2100-ntpd-garmin-gps-18-lvc-gpsd.php |
| 23:57.28 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 23:59.01 | rfxchlx | #flood |
| 23:59.14 | rfxchlx | hi guys, i need a little help for compiling a kernel. There is one thing i don't understand really well. |
| 23:59.27 | rfxchlx | What is the meaning of the ending *.o *.c *.h and *.ko? |
| 23:59.31 | trampel | (whoa deja-vu) |
| 23:59.39 | abrotman | rfxchlx: why are you compiling a kernel? |