| 00:00.02 | rfxchlx | i need it, because there is none available |
| 00:00.08 | rfxchlx | with the modules i need |
| 00:00.16 | klys | rfxchlx: make dep; make modules; make modules_install |
| 00:00.20 | klys | rfxchlx: it should tell you that make dep is unneccessary though if it does anything like it claimed to do before it became unneccessary it is quite a good thing to do. |
| 00:00.52 | rfxchlx | The problem is that when i tell the compile to install "dm-crypt", it doesnt! |
| 00:00.58 | rfxchlx | CONFIG_DM_CRYPT=y |
| 00:01.03 | rfxchlx | make modules_install |
| 00:01.08 | rfxchlx | Not here ~>ls kernel/drivers/md/ |
| 00:01.14 | rfxchlx | modprobe -c | grep dm_crypt > Nothing here either |
| 00:01.14 | klys | you neem -m to get a module out. |
| 00:01.22 | klys | you need =m to get a module out. |
| 00:01.29 | rfxchlx | Why? can anybody help me. I would be grateful. I can only see two files: dm-crypt.c and dm-crypt-o |
| 00:01.43 | rfxchlx | make modules_install -m?? |
| 00:01.45 | klys | because =y means the code is part of bzImage . |
| 00:01.47 | dvs | rfxchlx: grep DM_CRYPT /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 00:02.28 | rfxchlx | /lib/modules/3.4.75# grep DM_CRYPT /boot/config-$(uname -r) -->CONFIG_DM_CRYPT=y |
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| 00:02.36 | abrotman | rfxchlx: none available that do what? |
| 00:02.53 | rstrt | Evening all (Here in the EST.) I have a really stupid nooby question that I can't seem to sort out myself. |
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| 00:03.17 | rfxchlx | i got it.. gonna try -m |
| 00:03.18 | klys | those are kosher. you will likely get an answer |
| 00:03.39 | rstrt | I'm trying to set this debian box up to hibernate after X amount of time, but I don't have any powerconfig utilities installed from the minimal image I used. On either root or my rstrt user account. |
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| 00:03.52 | klys | that was a typo rfxchlx you need =m in .config |
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| 00:04.23 | rfxchlx | yeh testing right now.. i post here again when it is finished |
| 00:04.30 | rstrt | Is there a debian-specific package I should have installed for power managemet? |
| 00:04.40 | klys | that depends on your laptop |
| 00:04.53 | abrotman | rstrt: there are a number of acpi related packages |
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| 00:05.01 | rstrt | It's a desktop, which is why I opted not to install the laptop selection of the net install. |
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| 00:06.15 | klys | ,versions powermgmt-base |
| 00:06.16 | judd | Package: powermgmt-base on i386 -- jessie: 1.31; sid: 1.31; squeeze: 1.31; wheezy: 1.31 |
| 00:07.09 | klys | $ apt-cache search apm; apt-cache show <package you think will work> |
| 00:07.22 | trampel | ,versions autodock |
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| 00:07.23 | judd | Package: autodock on i386 -- squeeze: 4.2.3-1; wheezy: 4.2.3-2; jessie: 4.2.5.1-3; sid: 4.2.5.1-3 |
| 00:07.29 | trampel | kewl... thankee. |
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| 00:08.52 | rstrt | powermgmt-base is installed already. I don't see any option (not that this specific package has one) for a GUI settings though, which is the optimal goal. |
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| 00:10.38 | klys | for which gui? gnome3? cinnamon? kde? xfce? |
| 00:10.51 | rstrt | Sorry, I'm running lxde. |
| 00:11.02 | rstrt | Though I have no specific attachment to it. |
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| 00:12.10 | abrotman | rstrt: you have the acpi packages installed? |
| 00:12.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell rstrt about hibernate |
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| 00:13.14 | rstrt | Let me try that, I'll report back if I'm still mentally-blocked by this. Thanks much all. |
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| 00:20.52 | koell | can someone help me to install keepassc? |
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| 00:23.26 | ZitZ | koell: is there a specific step you are stuck on? |
| 00:25.30 | koell | ZitZ: i've installed all dependencies but setup fails |
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| 00:26.09 | ZitZ | does it fail on compile? |
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| 00:26.48 | koell | ZitZ: ok i think setup worked. but i get weird output when i try to start keepassc |
| 00:26.50 | koell | ZitZ: pastebin? |
| 00:27.21 | ZitZ | sure, i'll look at it |
| 00:28.04 | koell | ZitZ: thanks http://pastebin.com/yQP76vTP |
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| 00:29.53 | ZitZ | i've never used keepassc, i do use keepassx though. It looks like it is trying to access /var/empty for whatever reason, and it doesn't exist. |
| 00:32.37 | koell | ZitZ: hmm yes. weird. |
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| 00:33.46 | ZitZ | maybe try to contact the developers |
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| 00:34.32 | koell | ZitZ: i'll try. he's german so no problem to talk to. thanks anyway :) |
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| 00:34.56 | ZitZ | no problem, sorry i couldn't be more useful |
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| 00:35.53 | babilen | owen1: You want ibus (probably ibus-pinyin) for Chinese. It is the best input method these days and well integrated into, for example, Gnome. |
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| 00:40.03 | babilen | owen1: Read /usr/share/doc/ibus*/README.* after installing it and configure it to your liking. You probably want to export GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus, XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus and QT_IM_MODULE=ibus environment variables as detailed in the README |
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| 00:45.55 | owen1 | babilen: btw, I don't use a desktop manager. what do u think of this discussion? http://chakra-project.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?id=10365 "as all above said, Fcitx is the best input method for Simplified Chinese, and I just wanna say is fcitx-sogoupinyin might be the best Chinese input method, way better than Google input , smarter and more accurate than sunpinyin, so should be installed by default." |
| 00:47.55 | ZitZ | koell: Furthermore check if the directory /var/empty exists (normally it should but it seems that is doesn't on Ubuntu). If not execute as root user 'mkdir -m 755 /var/empty'. |
| 00:48.58 | koell | ZitZ: AWESOME! THATS IT. Now it works! :) |
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| 00:49.32 | ZitZ | yeah, i was reading github, since it says it supports running as a server |
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| 00:50.26 | koell | ZitZ: thats the reason why i would like to stick with the command line version. :) |
| 00:51.26 | ZitZ | koell: you can't use keepassx as a client with this? |
| 00:52.21 | babilen | owen1: Well, looks as if fcitx is worth a try. I didn't found it adequate the last time I tried it (many years ago) and was using scim back then. As I type Japanese once in a while too I am using ibus now (which has an excellent Japanese input method too) and switch between that and Chinese (/me is primarily typing fantizi though) |
| 00:52.35 | koell | ZitZ: i dont know. Im going to use the command line version because the GUI doesnt fell really native IMHO |
| 00:52.48 | thims_ | I am running debian wheezy stable, trying to install fglrx drivers for a Radeon HD 5450. I have attempted at installing the drivers manually from the ATI site to failure. I then uninstalled said drivers and installed the binaries using the contrib and non-free repositories. This solution leads me to the same issue as the vanilla binaries. When starting X I get the error message "No matching device section for instance [BUSID <busi |
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| 00:53.01 | babilen | owen1: I'd give both a try, but back in the day I found ibus to be superior (rather in the general input method sense than necessarily the Chinese input method specifically) |
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| 00:53.30 | thims_ | Also, something noted, X freezes up and cannot be cleanly/politely killed after running. tty7 only shows a blank, black screen. |
| 00:53.33 | thims_ | Thoughts? |
| 00:53.39 | ZitZ | koell: I think they intend it to be more lightweight and cross platform rather than pretty. Hence, keepassX. Unless someone makes a keepass-qt or keepass-gtk. |
| 00:54.41 | koell | ZitZ: Of course. I just love the look 'n feel of gnome applications. For example, shotwell is my fav. :) |
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| 00:56.04 | ZitZ | i used to be the same way. Now I feel gnome is where kde was a few years ago when they came out with kde4. So, for the time being i'm a gnome refugee living in kde. |
| 00:57.03 | owen1 | babilen: thanks a lot. |
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| 00:58.14 | koell | ZitZ: I never understand how people can use KDE as their desktop. It's complicated and very heavy. They also look by default really outdated. I mean glossy buttons, with drop shadows. The most of kde applications have to much features i never need to use. xD |
| 00:58.38 | thims_ | dwm++ |
| 00:58.49 | koell | thims_: i3 :P |
| 00:59.01 | koell | lets start a flame war in here :D |
| 00:59.40 | thims_ | koell: I have never used it, but heard it is nice. I have been wanting to use Awesome but can't get past the purity and truness of dwm. |
| 01:00.00 | thims_ | Their is something intense about a WM that is founded on 2000 lines of clean code. |
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| 01:00.35 | babilen | i3 is a horrible WM that took a great WM (wmii), threw away everything that was great (dynamic tagging, predictable behaviour) and replaced it with a brain-dead "tree" model for containers that makes it impossible to predict what an action with result in as it depends on the *order* in which you created splits. </EOM> |
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| 01:00.45 | koell | thims_: i really would like to work more with the keyboard because things get much faster than with mouse. its really hard to switch |
| 01:00.48 | babilen | koell: How am I doing? |
| 01:00.48 | thims_ | Also, I am not in for a flame war. Though I would like to find a resolution to this stupid AMD driver shit. |
| 01:01.31 | koell | babilen: 2C |
| 01:01.48 | thims_ | koell: incorporate some software to all custom keyboard shortcuts to manipulate your normal interface as a migration step? |
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| 01:02.41 | thims_ | koell: once you get used to not touching a mouse, touching the mouse then becomes a sin. Outside of web browsing. But I am not sure if even hippies can swing complete mouse free browsing in this day and age. |
| 01:02.52 | koell | thims_: im currently on a TUI (ncurses) trip :D |
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| 01:03.12 | thims_ | koell: TUI? |
| 01:03.23 | koell | thims_: terminal user interfaces |
| 01:03.44 | thims_ | Ah, just wasn't familiar with the abreviation. |
| 01:04.04 | thims_ | Ncurses is a must with just about everything. |
| 01:04.11 | koell | thims_: i think the first step is to choose a tiling window manager |
| 01:04.35 | thims_ | Given said developer always incorporates hjkl alongside left,down,up,right. |
| 01:04.37 | koell | thims_: i would like to have a directory of ncurses applications. they're really hard to find on the web |
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| 01:04.53 | thims_ | koell: build them? |
| 01:04.54 | stew | thims_: try conkeror |
| 01:05.25 | thims_ | stew: is it a hybrid? |
| 01:05.54 | thims_ | I have been out of the field for some time, so I am pretty rusty on a few terms. |
| 01:05.54 | stew | http://conkeror.org/ |
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| 01:07.17 | koell | dont like to learn emacs nor vi(m) these days. |
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| 01:07.51 | thims_ | stew: w3m |
| 01:08.10 | buu | koell: DO IT ANYWAY |
| 01:08.25 | thims_ | koell: a print out cheat sheet, stuck on the wall next to your computer, is the best solution one can have. |
| 01:09.13 | koell | thims_: it needs much more time :D |
| 01:09.35 | thims_ | koell: What, w3m? |
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| 01:14.33 | koell | thims_: to learn emacs and all those tricky hard to learn keyboard shortcuts. but do u use w3m for browsing? |
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| 01:27.50 | mwallacesd | Hi there, how can I see a console result with pause/break screen? I installed Debian 7 in a virtual machine (only base system) and am I trying to configure the console resolution |
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| 01:28.42 | mwallacesd | I already install hwinfo but I can see thist command result becouse the actual resolution at the screen |
| 01:29.23 | doebi | i switched from eth0 to wlan0 and now i cant browse any websites anymore, in any browser i have installed. always get timeout. but i can ping any host i want. we dont have a firewall or any other blocking things.. whats wrong? i am confused |
| 01:30.04 | AsumFace | mwallacesd, don't know if i unterstood correctly but is 'yourcommand | less' what you need? |
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| 01:33.39 | mwallacesd | Something like that, but not by line just by block screen AsumFace. |
| 01:33.54 | abrotman | hit spacebar |
| 01:34.42 | mwallacesd | Thats right! |
| 01:34.48 | mwallacesd | Thanks a lot abrotman |
| 01:35.00 | mwallacesd | Sorry but I am so newer |
| 01:35.07 | mwallacesd | See you. |
| 01:38.55 | babilen | mwallaces_AFK: also "q" might come in handy (quit) |
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| 01:42.23 | pythonsnake | hey |
| 01:42.38 | pythonsnake | if i wanna a shortcut to a certain server/ip i add it to /etc/hosts |
| 01:42.39 | pythonsnake | right? |
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| 01:45.38 | pythonsnake | meh |
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| 01:46.15 | abrotman | pythonsnake: that's acceptable, yes |
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| 01:47.21 | koell | does someone know, where to put todotxt-cli files? |
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| 01:55.59 | owen1 | I am triyng to install fcitx-sogoupinyin_0.0.4-1_amd64.deb and it tells me I need libc6 (>= 2.14). is it safe to install from backports? 'sudo aptitude -t wheezy-backports install libc6' ? |
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| 01:57.02 | abrotman | there is no libc6 in backports |
| 01:57.06 | abrotman | nor will there be |
| 01:57.25 | owen1 | interesting. i am following http://jianghaoqian.blogspot.com/2013/11/debian-install-sogou-pinyin-on-wheezy.html |
| 01:57.25 | pythonsnake | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:57.35 | owen1 | and this guy had no issues with libc6 |
| 01:57.42 | abrotman | owen1: Can't help it if they lie .. |
| 01:57.49 | owen1 | abrotman: (: |
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| 02:00.35 | owen1 | how do i know when will wheezy get fcitx-bin >=4.2.6? |
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| 02:01.16 | abrotman | owen1: it won't |
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| 02:01.36 | abrotman | judd: versions fcitx-bin |
| 02:01.37 | judd | Package: fcitx-bin on i386 -- wheezy: 1:4.2.4.1-7; wheezy-backports: 1:4.2.8.1-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.2.8.3-2+b1; sid: 1:4.2.8.3-2+b1 |
| 02:01.51 | abrotman | wheezy-backports has it, but wheezy itself won't get it |
| 02:02.04 | EsotericForest | Those running Debian on webservers: Do you use Wheezy's version of PHP or PHP from a more recent repo? |
| 02:02.35 | abrotman | EsotericForest: what is a "more recent" repo? |
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| 02:03.03 | abrotman | problem solved .. |
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| 02:11.15 | owen1 | i just installed fcitx-googlepinyig from aptitude. i don't see any man page. how do i use it (to type in chinese)? |
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| 02:13.33 | stew | owen1: check /usr/share/doc/fcitx-googlepinyig/ for a README |
| 02:13.51 | niteye | hello, i installed xfce4 on my laptop instead fo gnome, scrolling on my touchpad no longer works, any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 02:14.04 | stew | judd: versions fcitx-googlepinyig |
| 02:14.05 | judd | No package named 'fcitx-googlepinyig' was found in i386. |
| 02:14.28 | owen1 | stew: did some googling and i think i need to type im-config |
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| 02:24.02 | dizzylizzy | awww I always forget to run dpkg-buildpackage with 'time' at the beginning |
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| 02:41.49 | stew | dizzylizzy: alias dpkg-buildpackage="time dpkg-buildpackage" |
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| 02:42.45 | dizzylizzy | :D |
| 02:42.51 | dizzylizzy | something to put in my .bash_aliases |
| 02:43.07 | dizzylizzy | stew, you are my new best friend |
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| 03:11.11 | dizzylizzy | So right now I'm building my own wheezy backport for emacs24... I probably should have pulled from testing instead of sid. |
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| 03:11.34 | dizzylizzy | I've been running 24.3 from my own compilation, but I think it'd probably be better if I built it the debian way |
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| 03:12.13 | stew | dizzylizzy: you know about http://emacs.naquadah.org/ ? |
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| 03:14.39 | alteregoa | darmok and jalad at tanagra |
| 03:16.22 | abrotman | english please |
| 03:16.52 | dizzylizzy | stew: I don't really need a snapshot... I only want the newest emacs release |
| 03:17.03 | dizzylizzy | I'd be kinda nervous running a development snapshot tbh |
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| 03:18.52 | alteregoa | abrotman shaka when the walls fell |
| 03:20.57 | CheckDavid | Hi, I just installed virtualbox through synaptic, but I don't know how to launch it now |
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| 03:22.47 | klys | checkdavid have you tried lauching it from rxvt |
| 03:23.04 | klys | it has a gui interface. |
| 03:23.08 | abrotman | CheckDavid: "virtualbox" |
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| 03:24.57 | Okee | Anyone have an idea as to the command for jedit's verification key (see jedit.org/index.php?page=download&platform=unix#option_two)? I tried using the one found on the gedit page, but get an error when updating. |
| 03:25.11 | Okee | Meant to say jedit and not gedit. |
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| 03:26.05 | CheckDavid | klys, what is rxvt? |
| 03:26.08 | Sovern | How do I fix this issue with apt-get update http://pastebin.com/X0DFvM2N |
| 03:26.21 | CheckDavid | abrotman, I get this: bash: virtualbox: command not found |
| 03:26.29 | klys | checkdavid: try with xterm it's the same kind of program |
| 03:26.40 | abrotman | Sovern: jeez, you're mixing lenny and wheezy? |
| 03:26.45 | abrotman | CheckDavid: how did yu install it ? |
| 03:26.49 | CheckDavid | klys, and what would that be? |
| 03:26.55 | CheckDavid | abrotman, synaptic |
| 03:27.07 | abrotman | CheckDavid: the binary is 'virtualbox' |
| 03:27.13 | klys | checkdavid: if it's not found then dpkg -L virtualbox | grep bin |
| 03:27.28 | abrotman | CheckDavid: it's in the virtualbox-qt package |
| 03:27.48 | CheckDavid | klys, what should I expect from that command? |
| 03:27.51 | abrotman | CheckDavid: it's in the virtualbox-qt package |
| 03:27.55 | abrotman | CheckDavid: ignore klys please .. |
| 03:27.56 | klys | instead do: dpkg -L virtualbox-qt | grep bin |
| 03:28.01 | Sovern | abrotman: abrotman i dont think so? |
| 03:28.07 | CheckDavid | abrotman, what would that mean abrotman ? |
| 03:28.33 | abrotman | Sovern: yes, you are |
| 03:28.43 | abrotman | CheckDavid: it means, install the virtualbox-qt package |
| 03:29.11 | Sovern | abrotman: which line suggests that? i dont see any wheezy stuff |
| 03:29.18 | abrotman | depending if your system is set to install recommends, it should already be there |
| 03:29.23 | abrotman | Sovern: "stable" is wheezy |
| 03:29.37 | Sovern | abrotman: so how do i remove that? |
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| 03:29.47 | abrotman | Sovern: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 03:30.41 | CheckDavid | klys, but what is to be expected from such command? |
| 03:31.16 | abrotman | .... |
| 03:31.57 | CheckDavid | abrotman, are you telling me to install virtualbox-qt? |
| 03:32.02 | abrotman | CheckDavid: multiple times |
| 03:32.18 | CheckDavid | not really |
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| 03:32.28 | abrotman | yes, I did |
| 03:32.50 | CheckDavid | You said just "it's in the virtualbox-qt package" |
| 03:33.03 | abrotman | and i told you to install it also |
| 03:33.09 | klys | checkdavid: it should tell you what to do with xterm if you get anything back. if you don't then # apt-get install virtualbox-qt |
| 03:33.16 | abrotman | you were busy letting klys give you random/useless advice |
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| 03:33.48 | CheckDavid | Not really, I didn't get multiple mssages telling me to install virtualbox-qt on my screen |
| 03:33.53 | CheckDavid | anyway, how do I do that, through synaptic? |
| 03:34.06 | abrotman | how do you install any other package via synaptic? |
| 03:34.26 | CheckDavid | My question has a comma. |
| 03:34.31 | CheckDavid | Maybe you didn't read it correctly? |
| 03:34.38 | klys | any program that will install packages for you (apt-get, aptitude, synaptic) should work for that checkdavid. |
| 03:34.45 | CheckDavid | ok |
| 03:34.46 | abrotman | No, I did. You used synaptic to install other packages. This is no different |
| 03:34.54 | jmcnaught | CheckDavid: Synaptic is just a GUI for apt-get, when you install packages in Synaptic it's basically using apt-get in the background |
| 03:34.59 | CheckDavid | Cool, I was just asking if this would be the case. |
| 03:35.20 | jmcnaught | CheckDavid: in other words it doesn't matter if you use Synaptic or apt-get |
| 03:35.27 | CheckDavid | I see, thanks. |
| 03:35.27 | jelly-home | jmcnaught: technically, no, both use libapt |
| 03:35.48 | CheckDavid | Just confused as to why I should do virtualbox-qt instead of virtualbox as suggested by synaptic |
| 03:36.09 | glenrock | CheckDavid: that caught me offguard my first time as well. virtualbox-qt is definitely the one you want |
| 03:36.31 | abrotman | CheckDavid: virtualbox-qt has the GUI manager |
| 03:36.32 | jelly-home | CheckDavid: look at their Description fields |
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| 03:36.39 | CheckDavid | ohh |
| 03:37.04 | CheckDavid | I see glenrock, so it's about having gui or not, I will read about the descriptions abrotman, jelly-home |
| 03:37.28 | klys | virtualbox - x86 virtualization solution - base binaries; virtualbox-qt - x86 virtualization solution - Qt based user interface |
| 03:37.32 | abrotman | CheckDavid: if you don't need a GUI manager, you can do it with text commands, etc that are already installed. The GUI makes it easier |
| 03:37.37 | CheckDavid | ok now I have an icon to launch virtualbox lol |
| 03:38.14 | abrotman | CheckDavid: all set now ? |
| 03:38.26 | chrisoprase | Hi guys, any idea why schreenshots aren't saved when I use printscreen? I've already defined a auto-save-directory for gnome-screenshot with dconf-editor |
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| 03:39.04 | CheckDavid | abrotman, yes, thanks |
| 03:39.23 | CheckDavid | even though I get an error while trying to add a network through the networks options in preferences |
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| 03:41.17 | klys | Is there a way to find out what kernel version is too old to mount an ext3 fs created with e2fsprogs 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch ? |
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| 03:43.05 | jelly-home | klys: obviously the kernel from etch could deal with it, so 2.6.18-ish was good |
| 03:43.21 | abrotman | was the ext3 in etch still the experimental version ? |
| 03:43.29 | jelly-home | no |
| 03:43.36 | abrotman | that was sarge? |
| 03:43.54 | jelly-home | possibly, was sarge the 2.4/2.6 one? |
| 03:44.04 | abrotman | it's been so long! |
| 03:44.12 | jelly-home | twss |
| 03:44.15 | abrotman | I think so |
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| 03:45.42 | klys | what about for tune2fs -j from e2fsprogs version 1.41.3-1 |
| 03:45.58 | klys | ...It had lenny and then I installed wheezy |
| 03:46.53 | klys | ...wheezy upgraded a bunch of things and lenny had udev 0.125-7+lenny3 which broke some kernels (not that that would affect mounting it.) |
| 03:47.10 | mwallacesd | Problem solved, I request help a few minutes later to increase shell resolution. I have a base system only in a virtual machie en it was 640x480 on the center of my screen. Now it is 1440x900 |
| 03:47.33 | mwallacesd | I just put GRUB_GFXMODE="1440X900X32" |
| 03:47.33 | mwallacesd | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.41 | mwallacesd | at grub |
| 03:47.42 | mwallacesd | =) |
| 03:47.57 | jelly-home | grub does vesa |
| 03:48.04 | mwallacesd | *few minutes ago* |
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| 03:48.36 | klys | it looks so sourcey... maybe current versions of grub2 can handle kernel parameters like that though I wouldn't expect it to last. |
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| 03:49.53 | klys | has anyone heard of 1366x768 |
| 03:50.31 | jelly-home | klys: those are not kernel parameters, but options for grub-mkconfig to set up both grub and kernel params |
| 03:50.50 | klys | "to set up kernel params" is something I would not expect to last. |
| 03:51.01 | jelly-home | why? |
| 03:51.16 | klys | because will the next kernel be doing the same thing...etc. |
| 03:51.20 | jelly-home | so? |
| 03:51.40 | klys | the kernel trumps grub when it comes to standardization |
| 03:51.52 | jelly-home | standardization of what? |
| 03:52.05 | klys | the vga= parameter, for one |
| 03:53.06 | jelly-home | it's parameters for grub to set up its own resolution using vesa bios. GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX is probably just an instruction on which resolution to leave running before booting a linux kernel |
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| 03:54.07 | jelly-home | I haven't checked, but linux boot params are an API, and kernel developers are very, very strict about not breaking existing APIs |
| 03:54.48 | mwallacesd | =) |
| 03:54.51 | klys | if that were true, then what latitude do driver developers have in changing the resolution (not that it matters to them) |
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| 03:55.27 | Penix | -30? |
| 03:56.06 | jelly-home | obviously the answer is 42°(N) |
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| 03:56.24 | Penix | obviously |
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| 03:56.31 | mwallacesd | It will be interesting if it show installation guide in the max resolution of the system drive |
| 03:56.42 | mwallacesd | and take it after the installation |
| 03:56.54 | mwallacesd | talking about grafical installation |
| 03:57.07 | mwallacesd | But I just use TEXT MODE for everthing |
| 03:57.09 | mwallacesd | =) |
| 03:57.46 | jelly-home | not any more you don't! |
| 03:58.31 | jelly-home | runs away |
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| 03:59.06 | dizzylizzy | I can "aptitude hold supertuxkart supertuxkart-data" but those packages are still trying to upgrade at an "apt-get upgrade" -- how do I properly hold packages? |
| 04:00.40 | somiaj | dizzylizzy: you can hold them with dpkg, 'echo packagename hold' | dpkg --set-selections |
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| 04:05.28 | the__Dreamer | anyone know if there is a functional difference between lxde and running openbox with an lxpanel? |
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| 04:06.35 | dimitry7 | Hello Guys, I have mailman to get my mailing lists working. I have a lot of clients to which send the message. But some of them have been complaining about reveiving the same message so many times... do you have any idea of what could be wrong? Thank you! |
| 04:07.21 | dizzylizzy | dimitry7, in case nobody knows the answer there's also #mailman |
| 04:09.24 | dimitry7 | dizzylizzy, Thank you! Yes... although it is complicated to get an answer there too :-/ |
| 04:10.01 | dizzylizzy | I bet! I was recently simply trying to set up a mail server on debian and it gave me a headache. Good luck. |
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| 04:12.17 | dimitry7 | dizzylizzy, yes :-(. We have finally migrated postfix to Google Accounts. But We have a strange set-up. For example as the enterprise has a lot of clients, some have to be unregistered,sometimes 10 clients in one day and another 20 must be registered... so we need a script to do that. That is why we keep using mailman. I don't know if Google's API could allow us to do a similar script. Doing that manually is crazy! |
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| 04:14.30 | klys | the_dreamer: read about changes from openbox 2 to openbox 3. also try blackbox a few times. |
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| 04:15.08 | jelly-home | klys: it's one thing to preset the resolution _for_ the kernel, and another when the resolution gets set _by_ the kernel |
| 04:16.19 | klys | well, I understand, jelly-home, that the driver is an api for the newer video chips that aim to support more and more resolutions so as to work with win64. just, when it comes to new ideas though |
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| 04:17.44 | jelly-home | klys: sorry, it's late and I don't understand what you're saying |
| 04:17.55 | klys | as I understand it, there are some arm kernels which historically have relied on a display inch setting in "processor type and features." |
| 04:18.44 | jelly-home | klys: I don't know of any machines using grub and being arm architecture |
| 04:18.59 | klys | now, there is no way you're using grub2 on arm right...just, wait till it goes multi-platform. |
| 04:19.28 | abrotman | just you wait!! |
| 04:19.29 | Okee | Is anyone running Selenium IDE and Debian Stable? |
| 04:19.29 | jelly-home | does not see how embedded-hardware issues can apply to PC-s |
| 04:20.18 | klys | pc's are and were embedded technology when it comes to electronics. off-topic though. |
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| 04:22.02 | jelly-home | klys: arm is a mess. There's no BIOS to power on your screen, no VESA BIOS to provide fb layout and resolutions and depth at boot, things are done in _completely_ different ways (mostly, lots of hardcoded hw descriptions) |
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| 04:23.07 | jelly-home | IMB PC architecture, no matter how... quaint, has evolved a lot of standard interfaces that look and act the same on any PC |
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| 04:24.15 | klys | many of the boards you plug in to a computer were developed with other technologies jelly-home. it's not just what's a pc. again, #electronics. |
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| 04:25.48 | jelly-home | again, I don't see how that's relevant to people setting up resolution on an intel or amd laptop |
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| 04:26.41 | Geo | Hi, does anyone have any thoughts regarding using a Blue/Green WD HDD with mdadm in a RAID 5 configuration? I've seen arguments both for and against it, due to lacking TLER. |
| 04:26.51 | klys | no, but it has to do with what a kernel is compatible with. If you start to say "no graphics unless it's an LCD, see: pricewatch.com there are no crts anymore" then you lose the whole idea. |
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| 04:27.07 | Geo | I've determined its not an issue on RAID0/1 setups, but can't figure out for sure on RAID 5 |
| 04:27.22 | jelly-home | gives up |
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| 04:31.23 | klys | geo if it's a reasonably fast (rpm) drive then there's not likely a good reason not to |
| 04:31.48 | Geo | TLER is the reason :) |
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| 04:33.01 | Geo | definitely for hardware raids atleast, but not necessarily for software raids |
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| 04:34.04 | klys | geo if your drive starts giving you {driveready seekcomplete ...} messages then it's probably time to start thinking about replacing it. |
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| 04:34.35 | jelly-home | Geo: wouldn't ##hardware or #linux-raid be a better place to ask this question |
| 04:35.21 | Geo | maybe? |
| 04:35.52 | Geo | thousands of channels here, can't guess them all ;) |
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| 04:36.03 | jelly-home | Geo: /msg alis list *raid* |
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| 04:36.37 | Geo | thanks |
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| 04:45.41 | abrotman | dpkg: tell chewtechs about away |
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| 04:48.37 | DeepBlue | hi ,how to edit the mirror list? |
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| 04:50.45 | wols | DeepBlue: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:53.00 | DeepBlue | wols: what r the 3 lines |
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| 04:53.24 | DeepBlue | to add |
| 04:54.10 | wols | !tell DeepBlue about wheezy sources.list |
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| 04:54.57 | DeepBlue | wols: thanx |
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| 05:05.29 | lapache | hello, i want to install a server and keep the whole history of commands (shell commands, mysql shell commands and if possible vim editions (lol)). I want it to continue after ssh reconnections... do you suggest a bashrc 'script' command ? |
| 05:05.48 | wols | lapache: use screen or tmux |
| 05:06.25 | lapache | wols: how ? |
| 05:06.56 | abrotman | lapache: they're programs, install them, read the docs |
| 05:07.13 | wols | ssh into it, and run "screen". then your session stays open even when you disconnect with ssh and you can later reconnect to it |
| 05:07.34 | wols | !tell lapache about screen |
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| 05:08.22 | lapache | i know screen thank you, but this is the same of a script transcript |
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| 05:14.26 | DeepBlue | wols: what to run to install updates first time after installing Debian? |
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| 05:15.34 | DeepBlue | apt-get install xchat |
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| 05:20.31 | wols | DeepBlue: apt-get update;apt-get upgrade when you installed debian without a network connection |
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| 05:31.04 | PublicStaticVoid | Does Debian use upstart? |
| 05:31.09 | PublicStaticVoid | or Systemd? |
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| 05:32.41 | stew | PublicStaticVoid: both are available |
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| 05:33.09 | koshie | stew: I think he ask for the default one. Right PublicStaticVoid? |
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| 05:34.20 | stew | neither |
| 05:34.30 | elvora | PublicStaticVoid: sysvinit is the current default init-system in Debian and is flagged as an "Essential" package. |
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| 05:34.50 | elvora | https://wiki.debian.org/systemd |
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| 05:38.22 | chrisoprase | hi guys, my display went black again, but this time i have ssh access, how can i bring it back again? |
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| 05:40.56 | elvora | chrisoprase: Have you tried rebooting? Sorry, had to put that out there give the question. What do you mean again? |
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| 05:41.26 | elvora | s/give/given |
| 05:43.42 | elvora | chrisoprase: Your question is so ambiguous and could have so many possible causes that it's impossible to diagnose from a distance without more information. Can you be more concise in your description of the problem? |
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| 05:47.06 | chrisoprase | elvora: I whave some unsaved information i dont want to loose, so trying to avoid reboot. This has been happening almost every two days,display goes dark and doesnt come back on, keyboard sound still work |
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| 05:49.25 | chrisoprase | typing from my nokia, so it`s slow |
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| 05:51.21 | PublicStaticVoid | elvora: But your installer is setup to allow easy deployment of systemd? |
| 05:51.41 | elvora | chrisoprase: Oh, ok. Well I was looking into possible solutions for you and this page seems to have instructions on how to reboot gnome3/X without rebooting. |
| 05:51.46 | PublicStaticVoid | Also is Debian planning on moving to Wayland sometime in the future? |
| 05:51.57 | elvora | chrisoprase: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/87192/restarting-gnome-3-in-debian-wheezy |
| 05:52.12 | elvora | Looks like you need to go to a virtual terminal then restart gdm. |
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| 05:52.52 | PublicStaticVoid | I am switching distros.. I was a Debian user around Potato, then went to Gentoo, then Arch, and have been on Ubuntu for about a year.. and I do not like the direction they are going in but I love dpkg.. so I m thinking of returning home to Debian.. |
| 05:53.05 | PublicStaticVoid | So I am just curious about systemd and wayland |
| 05:53.19 | elvora | chrisoprase: I'd suggest issuing "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart" from virtual terminal 2 |
| 05:53.24 | PublicStaticVoid | I already know you guys have a great community and good documentation.. |
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| 05:55.52 | PublicStaticVoid | So is it as simple as selecting systemd during install or is it post install? |
| 05:56.35 | elvora | PublicStaticVoid: Yeah, it looks like you can get systemd to work well with debian. |
| 05:57.05 | PublicStaticVoid | And its just an option I can choose during install> |
| 05:57.07 | PublicStaticVoid | ? |
| 05:57.29 | PublicStaticVoid | And are you guys going to wayland or staying with X? |
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| 05:57.49 | PublicStaticVoid | Please dont say Mir.. |
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| 05:58.22 | elvora | chrisoprase: Did that work for you? |
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| 05:59.14 | jaccob | ftp3.nrc.ca is dead, do I have to google for an alternate source, or is the a tool that will have a list for me to choose from. Gotta google I'm guessing |
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| 06:00.19 | elvora | chrisoprase: The underlying cause needs to be diagnosed though as that problem will quickly make a system unusable. I'd recommend reinstalling debian if you haven't a clue as to what's behind the issue. |
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| 06:00.39 | glenrock | jaccob: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 06:01.35 | chrisoprase | elvora: some info about the state of gdm3 https://thunked.org/p/view/pri/5n9r62uj0 |
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| 06:04.28 | jaccob | glenrock, thx |
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| 06:06.19 | elvora | chrisoprase: Looks normal. Did the restart bring back a display on vt7? |
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| 06:13.31 | chrisoprase | elvora: did `service gdm3 restart` and gnome restarted,but the display hasn`t returned |
| 06:14.46 | nonconvergent | Is there a perldoc package? aptitude search didn't show anything. |
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| 06:16.12 | elvora | chrisoprase: did you switch back to vt7? Ctrl-Alt-F7 |
| 06:16.23 | lotion | hey, what squeeze discs do i need for base and gnome? |
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| 06:20.16 | jordanm | lotion: i think it fit on cd1 for squeeze, but in most cases you want the netinst |
| 06:20.45 | lotion | wheezy cd1 doesnt have gnome so i figured its the same for squeeze |
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| 06:24.38 | chrisoprase | ITtś´s on vt8 now, still no luck |
| 06:25.06 | yashwant | Hi am using debian wheezy today I have upgrade and after upgrade I restart my system. Now I am unable to log in . Log in screen is comming but either key board is not comming while clicking in user password option isnot comming. |
| 06:27.36 | wols | yashwant: press ctrl+alt+f2 and try to log in there |
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| 06:28.12 | chrisoprase | elvora: most apps were terminated when i restarted gnome,so i guess iĺl reboot now. this will probably happen again, so i`m still interested in figuring out why it`s happening |
| 06:28.54 | yashwant | k thanks. I am trying . |
| 06:29.12 | yashwant | wols, k thanks. I am trying . |
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| 06:36.32 | elvora | chrisoprase: Sorry to hear that. :/ My advise to you would be to back up your data and reinstall if you've exhausted your search for a cause. |
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| 06:38.22 | yashwant | I am unable to login in after pressing ctrl_alt+f2 after upgrading debian wheezy. What I can do now? |
| 06:38.40 | yashwant | ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 06:39.05 | jordanm | what happens when you try? |
| 06:41.04 | chewtechs | is now away: afk |
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| 06:46.20 | yashwant | I am unable to log in in debian after upgrading, I try with ctrl+alt+f2 , it is also not working any onw the solution how to recover system now? |
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| 06:49.21 | jean-michel | Hey guys, I can't get steam with WINE (1.4) to run in Jessie 64-bit multiarch, is it because I need a 32-bit wineprefix? It used to work on mint16 without that before I got Debian. http://pastebin.com/vNpyhiLi |
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| 06:51.50 | PrideAndSorrow | i ran'gnome-tweak-tool' and tried to commit changes via tweak tool to get ' The connection is closed' in terminal.how to solve this? |
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| 06:52.52 | apm1 | D-bus screwup or a permission issue |
| 06:53.00 | apm1 | have you tried as root PrideAndSorrow |
| 06:53.40 | PrideAndSorrow | ampl: ok,i will thanx |
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| 06:54.45 | Radon_3 | folks, I am going to install debian using net install, I have two questions though: 1- I have two drives on my PC, and I am going to install debian in the second one, but this partition contains all the boot information for my first partition and my windows OS, and I don't wanna lose them still (cause I am very new to debian), If I format this part |
| 06:54.46 | Radon_3 | ition using debian installer, will I be able to boot into my windows too, later on, If I want to? |
| 06:55.20 | PrideAndSorrow | ampl: i already have as root |
| 06:57.01 | PrideAndSorrow | here is what i get in terminal '(gnome-tweak-tool:11014): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed' |
| 06:57.15 | Radon_3 | 2- I am connected to internet using my dsl modem in bridge formation, will debian allow me to connect to internet (during the installation process) using a UN/Pass combo, or it only needs an Ethernet connection? |
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| 07:04.44 | Radon_3 | help me please? |
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| 07:13.12 | Radon_3 | I can't have access to http://www.debian.org/ anymore, what is going on? |
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| 07:32.31 | unclezipper | Hi, I have a silly question. I'm running a Zandronum server on a remote computer. It has a simple shell with commands to change the map, set gameplay options, etc. Can I use printf to write to its stdin and make it perform these commands? |
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| 07:36.00 | jmd | Morning all. I asked this question yesterday, but nobody could give me a definative answer. Which is the Wheezy installer for the mips64el archtecture? and where can I download it? |
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| 07:57.20 | mintgreen | how to install a downloaded theme in gnome? |
| 07:58.08 | segin | mintgreen: how to google |
| 07:58.36 | mintgreen | i need a quik reference |
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| 08:02.36 | lxsameer | how can i find the package which contains a certain file ? |
| 08:03.01 | jmd | how to know why no pronouns or verbs in IRC questions? |
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| 08:03.41 | jmd | lxsameer: grep <file> /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 08:03.54 | segin | jmd: Arabic lacks 'em, it seems, so those arabs treat English as badly. |
| 08:03.56 | lxsameer | jmd: thanks |
| 08:04.06 | petern_ | dpkg -S file |
| 08:04.06 | dpkg | There is no record of a file package |
| 08:04.11 | petern_ | hah |
| 08:05.04 | segin | jmd: note the space between the last work and the question mark. They treat the question mark as a word as well as a stop, as opposed to just a stop. |
| 08:06.05 | jmd | segin: I can understand it for people for whom english is a second language. But there are lots of native english people who do it too. Just laziness I think. |
| 08:07.18 | lxsameer | i'm trying to compile a software but i get bunch of errors like this one http://dpaste.com/1537321/ It seems that there is no "asm" directory in my include path or its empty, how can i fix this |
| 08:08.10 | jmd | lxsameer: Probably you need to install the kernel headers. |
| 08:08.49 | lxsameer | jmd: i did, i'm on 3.12 (which i built) and also i try to compile this with 3.7 too, but same error |
| 08:09.36 | jmd | lxsameer: Well have a look to see if the missing files do indeed exist. Are they where the compiler expects them to be? What headers are refering to them? etc. etc. |
| 08:10.27 | lxsameer | jmd: i checked them, but it seems that in 3.12 there is no "asm" directory but there is "asm-generic" |
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| 08:10.51 | jmd | 3.12 of what? Debian's current version is 7.2 |
| 08:10.57 | jmd | 3.12 is VERY old. |
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| 08:11.34 | lxsameer | jmd: ? i meant kernel version :) |
| 08:11.43 | lxsameer | jmd: also i'm in sid |
| 08:12.38 | jmd | Well of course sid is broken by definition. So look to see what is expecting the asm directory to exist, and from whence it comes. |
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| 08:13.20 | lxsameer | jmd: thanks |
| 08:13.34 | jmd | np. Good luck. |
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| 08:18.44 | PublicStaticVoid | Sorry I asked this earlier but got ditracted and reconnected. |
| 08:19.07 | PublicStaticVoid | Is debian planning on moving to Waylanf or Mir? |
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| 08:25.59 | soa2ii | Hi. Yesterday I updated my server certificates (generated stonger ones) and everything seems to run fine (dovecot, apache) except postfix. It seems I cannot send any mails any more. The mail.log stays quiet and my client (KMail) says: Error sending message: Socket operation timed out. Any ideas what maybe gone wrong? |
| 08:26.18 | jean-michel | Hey guys, I can't get steam with WINE (1.4) to run in Jessie 64-bit, It used to work on mint16 before I got Debian, mind you I was running a wine ppa to get the latest version. http://pastebin.com/vNpyhiLi |
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| 08:27.10 | jmd | What actually is the "recovery mode" that the debian installer puts in the Grub menu? |
| 08:27.11 | segin | Wine 1.4 doesn't do 64-bit well, try 1.6 |
| 08:27.30 | jmd | It seems to be no different from the standard mode. |
| 08:28.00 | jean-michel | segin, I would, but it's not in the repos for some reason despite what the wine website states |
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| 08:28.46 | jean-michel | segin, yesterday I got 1.7.10 .debs and it borked my system so I had to come in here for help because apt was heavily broken, had to do a exit:0 thingy on the wine.prerem file |
| 08:29.01 | segin | Ah |
| 08:29.15 | segin | Did you try compiling from source? |
| 08:29.38 | jean-michel | segin, No, my laziness will not allow it :P, but that was the next thing I was going to try |
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| 08:32.59 | jean-michel | Hey, some guy /msg'd me on irc saying to use another pastebin style website, is that normal? I guess it's a spambot |
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| 08:34.15 | mintgreen | the evince thumbnailer heavilly burdens the cpu.how to fix this? |
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| 09:04.38 | Hilton | I have a Debian Vbox setup with two network adapters - first one Host Only Network (so I can access the box via a static IP no matter where I am), and the second a bridge to my wireless. |
| 09:04.41 | Hilton | I'm pretty sure I have Debian set up right, ifconfig shows an IP, etc...but I can't seem to get an internet connection since I added the host-only. |
| 09:04.43 | Hilton | Can anyone help? |
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| 09:06.40 | klys | apt-get install pppoeconfig |
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| 09:08.13 | epsilon | Hilton: plz be more verbose about your network setup, I have no idea if you have NAT, Bridge, IP Subnet, ppp whatever |
| 09:08.41 | Hilton | VirtualBox has two adapters set up. First is a Host Only Network, second is a Bridge to my wireless adapter. |
| 09:09.43 | Hilton | interfaces file has eth0 (the Host Only) as: iface eth0 inet static; address 192.168.5.5; netmask 255.255.255.0; iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 09:09.48 | Hilton | eth1 being the bridged adapter. |
| 09:10.05 | habs | How can I create a custom deb archive from control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz, and debian-binary? If I try to just do ar rcs, file just tells me it's an ar archive rather than a debian package. |
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| 09:13.14 | jmd | Anyone know how to set up a TFTP server? |
| 09:13.42 | Hilton | epsilon: What else do I need to put? |
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| 09:14.03 | jmd | Please don't tell me to read the web site. I have done that. What is says is: "To get the TFTP server ready to go, you should first make sure that tftpd is enabled. " Very helpful! |
| 09:14.16 | rozie | jmd: just install it |
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| 09:14.48 | jmd | rozie: What is "it" ? |
| 09:15.07 | rozie | jmd: apt-cache search tftp server |
| 09:15.19 | habs | jmd: Haha, didn't think I'd see you here :P Try "/etc/init.d/tftpd start" after installing as rozie said? |
| 09:15.27 | rozie | jmd: apt-cache search tftp is even better |
| 09:16.41 | habs | jmd: Or, for the lazy, "sudo apt-get install tftp && sudo /etc/init.d/tftpd start" |
| 09:17.05 | jmd | habs: I'm trying to set up a TFTP server so that I can install a MIPS image. Doing it via USB is painful. |
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| 09:17.31 | starbuck33 | hi, somebody here with knowledge about logcheck? |
| 09:18.03 | Penix | jmd: there are plenty of guides available. hit google |
| 09:18.06 | habs | jmd: Personally, I'd say it's not worth it. It only should take less than an hour to load from USB. |
| 09:18.37 | jmd | habs: It took me all day yesterday, and then it kept crashing. |
| 09:19.12 | habs | jmd: D: Were there any specific error messages? |
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| 09:19.18 | jmd | lots. |
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| 09:20.11 | rozie | jmd: with tftp you need special installer IIRC |
| 09:20.23 | habs | jmd: Did you record them? I'd go as far as saying that debugging those USB errors would be a better path to take than setting up a tftp server just for this. |
| 09:20.50 | jmd | habs: I went throught this yesterday. |
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| 09:21.40 | jmd | Somebody on this channel told me to do that. Which I did, (took about 3 hours) and then that individual said "Oh well it doesn't work then". |
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| 09:21.51 | jmd | Today I'm trying a different approach. |
| 09:22.04 | epsilon | Hilton: well if you bridge, any device behind eth1 should be in same subnet |
| 09:22.13 | rozie | install tftpd-hpa or atftpd |
| 09:22.29 | Release_ | hi all when doing a pgrep cron |
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| 09:22.33 | rozie | (one of them runs OOTB, but can't remember which one) |
| 09:22.44 | Hilton | epsilon: ? |
| 09:22.53 | jmd | habs: bash: /etc/init.d/tftp: No such file or directory |
| 09:22.56 | Release_ | and gettin 2240 does that mean cron is running |
| 09:23.12 | habs | jmd: I think you forgot the "d", for "daemon" :) |
| 09:23.35 | jmd | bash: /etc/init.d/tftpd: No such file or directory |
| 09:23.53 | jmd | ls: cannot access /etc/init.d/tftp*: No such file or directory |
| 09:23.53 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:24.01 | Penix | jmd: dpkg -L <package> then. look around |
| 09:24.11 | rozie | jmd: if you're unable to determine what file you have in directory, I don't believe you can install Debian |
| 09:24.16 | habs | jmd: Hm, let me do some experimentin' then |
| 09:24.32 | epsilon | Hilton: so you have: internet <-> some NAT device 192.168.5.0/24 <--(NAT)--> vbox eth0 192.168.5.5 <--(bridged)--> vbox eth1 with dhcp <-> WLAN-AP <-> Clients? |
| 09:24.46 | jmd | rozie: Then please refrain from commenting. |
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| 09:25.58 | habs | rozie: He's proving that he *can* determine; that was in response to my (faulty) suggestion to do /etc/init.d/tftpd start to prove that it was indeed faulty |
| 09:26.30 | Release_ | how to check if cron is running |
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| 09:26.46 | rozie | habs: what file != that file |
| 09:26.47 | Hilton | epsilon: Um...not sure. The OS is running within VirtualBox; VBox provides a Host Only Network, which I've set up to access the httpd on the vbox. I did this so it always has the same IP; when I had only the bridged network adapter, it would change IPs, and I can only imagine what would happen when I'm outside my home network. |
| 09:26.55 | Release_ | i added cronjobs but am not sure if cron is actually running |
| 09:27.03 | Hilton | eth0 is the Host Only and has no internet access. eth1 is bridged to my internet adapter. |
| 09:27.07 | Penix | jmd: I used 'tftpd' for installing openbsd on sparcs. you can run it via inetd. takes 2 minutes |
| 09:27.10 | jmd | Looks like tftp has to be run through inetd |
| 09:27.49 | rozie | jmd: that's configurable. at least on demons I mentioned |
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| 09:28.05 | Penix | jmd: not sure how a debian mips install works, but you may also need things like rarpd |
| 09:28.13 | rozie | Release_: check logs |
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| 09:28.52 | epsilon | Hilton: so you should have uplink/internet via eth1? where is it connected to? |
| 09:28.59 | jmd | Penix: Possibly. One step at a time though. Right now I'm trying to get a TFTP server running. |
| 09:29.19 | Release_ | where can that be checked rozie |
| 09:29.21 | Penix | jmd: you install the package along with inetd. uncomment one line. done |
| 09:29.27 | rozie | Release_: syslog |
| 09:29.33 | Release_ | tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 09:29.44 | Release_ | ok rozie |
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| 09:30.01 | Release_ | -bash: syslog: command not found |
| 09:30.11 | rozie | Release_: it's the log... |
| 09:30.21 | rozie | not a command |
| 09:30.29 | Release_ | ok |
| 09:30.32 | Hilton | epsilon: eth1 is bridged to my laptop's wireless adapter. ifconfig shows that it has an IP (currently 192.168.0.19 but can and will change). |
| 09:30.46 | habs | jmd: It looks like you'll have to install the tftpd package "sudo apt-get install tftpd" and then do something with "sudo in.tftpd" |
| 09:31.11 | Release_ | i dont see it rozie |
| 09:31.15 | Release_ | im in sys map |
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| 09:31.27 | jmd | I think it's just a case of sending SIGHUP to inetd, but I'm not sure. |
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| 09:31.41 | rozie | habs: why not use one of demons I mentioned? tftpd-hpa atftpd |
| 09:32.00 | rozie | Release_: and where are the logs kept? |
| 09:32.19 | Penix | jmd: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart |
| 09:32.25 | Release_ | i dont know rozie |
| 09:32.30 | Penix | jmd: the tftpd package should automatically add the appropriate line to inetd.conf |
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| 09:32.43 | Penix | jmd: you may want to modify the directory it services files from though |
| 09:33.00 | Penix | serves, rather |
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| 09:33.10 | jmd | OK. how do I confirm that the TFTP server is working? |
| 09:33.12 | rozie | Penix: there were some issues with inetd and tftp IIRC |
| 09:33.20 | rozie | jmd: connect to it with the client |
| 09:33.21 | Penix | rozie: like what? I used it two days ago |
| 09:33.47 | jmd | rozie: That I guessed. Can you be more specific. |
| 09:34.01 | Penix | jmd: install the tftp client package |
| 09:34.04 | mo1991 | question - firestarter often shows connections to from the source IP of my computer to a destination IP that I am not currently connected to that I know of under "active connections". Can someone help me to track what this is down? |
| 09:34.06 | habs | rozie: jmd: Pretty sure it won't if you just run "sudo in.tftpd". I just tried, and I think "tftpd-hpa" is a much easier package to use. Try installing that one. |
| 09:34.07 | jmd | and? |
| 09:34.41 | Penix | jmd: connect to the server, to test it, like you wanted to. what else? |
| 09:34.45 | rozie | Penix: one of the demons I mentioned had problems with this. but it was like 3 years ago. and I wanted to run it as a demon anyway.. |
| 09:35.15 | Release_ | log only shows i added cron job rozie |
| 09:35.29 | Release_ | i wanne verify if cron is running |
| 09:35.31 | jmd | Penix: Yes. Like I said to rozie, I had guessed that was the probable general approach. Can you be specific? |
| 09:35.34 | Release_ | in debian |
| 09:35.41 | Penix | jmd: can you read a manpage? |
| 09:35.53 | rozie | Release_: by default cron runs are logged |
| 09:35.56 | jmd | ignores Penix |
| 09:36.12 | Penix | we're not here to write out every single command for you |
| 09:36.17 | Penix | you'll have to do some of the work |
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| 09:36.45 | Release_ | so how can i know if its running rozie |
| 09:36.59 | abailarri | Hello. I created a virtualhost for my server to host a new web with this name: hello.myserver.com but when I try to enter it not work |
| 09:37.00 | rozie | Release_: by checking logs |
| 09:37.09 | abailarri | I need to config bind? |
| 09:37.13 | abailarri | or other think? |
| 09:37.21 | Release_ | i dont think you understand me rozie |
| 09:37.33 | Release_ | i wanne check if the proces is running |
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| 09:37.39 | habs | jmd: OK; I'm pretty sure this should work. 1) install tftpd-hpa. 2) Set the root directory to "/srv/tftp" when prompted 3) Edit /etc/default/tftpd-hpa with your details. 4) Restart it with "service tftpd-hpa restart". |
| 09:37.39 | Release_ | the cron it selve |
| 09:37.48 | Release_ | not to see added cron jobs |
| 09:37.48 | rozie | abailarri: does host hello.myserver.com return server's IP? |
| 09:37.56 | habs | jmd: Then just put all your boot files in /srv/tftp. |
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| 09:38.29 | Release_ | i can add zilion cron jobs but if cron isnt running its useless |
| 09:38.35 | abailarri | rozie, with a whois command no |
| 09:38.40 | Release_ | right ? |
| 09:38.59 | rozie | abailarri: how host is whois? |
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| 09:39.24 | abailarri | i do whois to this url |
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| 09:39.39 | abailarri | and ir says that this url not exists |
| 09:39.42 | rozie | abailarri: and I asked about? |
| 09:40.14 | jean-michel | Compiling WINE 1.7.10 on jessie 64-bit gives me a FreeType 32-bit development files not found error, but if I try to install it it removes a lot of 64 bit packages, any ideas? All dependencies seem to be satisfied except this one. |
| 09:40.23 | rozie | Release_: ps aux | grep cron |
| 09:40.49 | abailarri | rozie, what do you mean? |
| 09:41.07 | rozie | abailarri: I mean you ignore what I say |
| 09:41.12 | Release_ | ok |
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| 09:41.45 | Release_ | root 2240 0.0 0.0 20404 1060 ? Ss 2013 0:01 /usr/sbin/cron |
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| 09:41.53 | abailarri | oh sorry, what do you asked? |
| 09:41.55 | Release_ | does that mean its running |
| 09:42.04 | habs | Anyways, I think my old question got lost in the mix... How can I create a custom deb archive from control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz, and debian-binary? If I try to just do ar rcs, file just tells me it's an ar archive rather than a debian package. |
| 09:42.06 | rozie | abailarri: pgup |
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| 09:43.19 | abailarri | rozie, what is this |
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| 09:48.23 | Release_ | cron jobs dont seem to work |
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| 09:48.37 | Release_ | any one suggestions |
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| 09:48.46 | rozie | Release_: how do you check? |
| 09:48.59 | Release_ | by adding a cron job |
| 09:49.08 | rozie | pastebin pls |
| 09:49.18 | Release_ | pastebin of what ? |
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| 09:49.27 | rozie | of what you add |
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| 09:49.42 | rozie | and output of a command you use to check |
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| 09:50.14 | Release_ | i check by seeing if it executes |
| 09:50.18 | Release_ | wich it doesnt |
| 09:50.19 | Hilton | epsilon: Okay so, if you're still around, I removed the host-only so now I only have the bridged adapter. Internet works fine like this, but if I set up a static IP I can't access it from the host OS. |
| 09:50.21 | Release_ | * * * * * /home/justin/bopm/check.sh >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 09:50.37 | Penix | habs: 'custom' in what way? |
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| 09:50.56 | Release_ | i dont use any command rozie |
| 09:51.08 | Release_ | just add the cronjob |
| 09:51.46 | rozie | Release_: 1. use something simpler 2. don't do >/dev/null 2>&1 (do you know what it does?) |
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| 09:51.55 | Release_ | yes rozie |
| 09:51.59 | rozie | Release_: and the cronjob is run |
| 09:52.11 | Release_ | it stops the email send stuff |
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| 09:52.33 | Release_ | so what else to use then |
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| 09:52.59 | habs | Penix: Custom, as in, I'd like to zip it up myself. Are .deb files just pure ar archives, or is there something more to it? |
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| 09:53.31 | rozie | Release_: touch /home/justin/crontestfile |
| 09:53.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Release_, bit hard to tell without knowing what check.sh contains, no? do you set PATH in that script or call the commands with their full path? |
| 09:54.07 | Release_ | check.sh checks if procces is running and if not it starts it |
| 09:54.18 | Penix | habs: you don't build a deb package by just 'zipping it up'. yes, there is more to it |
| 09:54.19 | rozie | Release_: no it doesn't check |
| 09:54.27 | Release_ | yes it does rozie |
| 09:54.32 | Penix | habs: what exactly are you trying to do? modify an existing package, or create one? |
| 09:54.39 | rozie | as we see - it does not |
| 09:54.40 | Release_ | the check.sh |
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| 09:54.53 | Release_ | so what do you see rozie |
| 09:55.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | (this would be the moment to pastebin check.sh) |
| 09:55.08 | rozie | I see only what you show |
| 09:55.15 | Release_ | ok |
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| 09:55.41 | rozie | and I don't belive that cron is not running |
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| 09:55.49 | rozie | it's broken script |
| 09:55.52 | habs | Penix: Modify an existing one. I already have the three files which together make up a debfile: control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz, and debian-binary. Now I just need to combine them ("zip them up") into a debfile. |
| 09:56.07 | rozie | or, as CutMeOwnThroat said, path problem. pretty common with crontab |
| 09:56.27 | Release_ | true rozie |
| 09:56.29 | Release_ | i checked |
| 09:56.30 | Penix | habs: that's not what you do. what are you modifying? as in, what are you trying to do to the existing package? |
| 09:56.37 | Release_ | wrong path |
| 09:56.42 | Release_ | gonna try again |
| 09:57.06 | klys | $ ar rvs file.deb control.tar.gz data.tar.gz debian-binary |
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| 09:57.54 | Penix | habs: if you're wanting to add random files to an existing package, that's just going to create an annoying mess in the future |
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| 09:58.01 | aLeSD_ | hio all |
| 09:58.20 | aLeSD_ | could you suggest me an application to create a bootable usb storage ? |
| 09:58.44 | aLeSD_ | I used unetbootin but it doesn't work |
| 09:59.05 | rozie | aLeSD_: you just want to put Debian installer on usb? |
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| 09:59.42 | aLeSD_ | rozie: No I want a complete installation on usb |
| 09:59.46 | klys | alesd_ if you're trying to boot the windows 7 .iso use qemu -kb en-us -cdrom file.iso |
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| 10:00.08 | rozie | aLeSD_: so just treat usb as harddrive |
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| 10:00.34 | habs | Penix: Oh boy. I needed to make some changes to the "conffiles" file to remove all the man files for the package. And klys: That's what I had been doing (that exact command), but when I'm done "file" still just thinks its a ar archive and dpkg says "file is not a debian binary archive". |
| 10:00.37 | rozie | if computer can boot from usb hard disk, usb storage also will work |
| 10:00.42 | aLeSD_ | ah |
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| 10:00.51 | example123 | Hi! |
| 10:01.09 | rozie | just read about writes on flash drives |
| 10:01.12 | aLeSD_ | rozie : so I make an installation and I put all in the usb. |
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| 10:01.20 | klys | heh. use debhelper's dh_builddeb |
| 10:01.34 | Penix | !tell habs about package basics |
| 10:02.02 | rozie | typical USB flash drive may not last long when used with intense writes |
| 10:02.03 | Penix | habs: download the source package with apt-get source <foo> and modify the files properly, then rebuild the package |
| 10:02.19 | Penix | habs: have a look at the link dpkg msg'd you, and also /msg dpkg nmg |
| 10:02.39 | Penix | habs: it won't take long to do what you want. |
| 10:02.42 | habs | Penix: It's not a Debian package; just those three files that I found online. It's a bit of a special case. |
| 10:02.59 | example123 | Debian dhcp client listen bootpc on all interface... I'm trun off in config, no resultat |
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| 10:04.27 | rozie | habs: there's ugly short way to package binaries to a deb |
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| 10:05.44 | rozie | habs: http://rozie.jogger.pl/2009/02/11/jak-zrobic-wlasna-paczke-deb-krotkie-howto/ and google translate |
| 10:05.51 | rozie | commands should be obvious |
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| 10:09.30 | aLeSD_ | rozie: what do you suggest to have a minimal system on external device ? |
| 10:10.16 | rozie | I'd install/debootstrap minimal Debian |
| 10:10.39 | rozie | it's 200-300 MB or so. than turn off installation of recommended and suggested packages |
| 10:10.49 | rozie | and install rest of needed software |
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| 10:12.56 | rozie | aLeSD_: some time ago (Squeeze) I made liveUSB (it's slighty differenet than system on USB) with http://pastebin.com/s7sQcwYs |
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| 10:13.41 | aLeSD_ | rozie, thanks |
| 10:13.43 | rozie | it was not that minimal (as you see KDE), but had all rescue and network diagnostic stuff I needed) |
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| 10:14.30 | sisyphu | hello everybody i've got a problem with I lost my dns nameserver everytime i boot knoppix, if I don't input them again I can't surf the web but pinging LAN node is ok because that's 1 nameserver remain, the others were lost. |
| 10:15.56 | rozie | sisyphu: do you use dhcp? |
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| 10:16.20 | sisyphu | rozie: yes |
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| 10:16.55 | aemquo | Anyone know why Netbeans on Wheezy hangs at the "New Project" option? |
| 10:17.29 | rozie | sisyphu: that's strange. make sure your dhcp server announce nameservers |
| 10:17.44 | klys | there is #netbeans |
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| 10:18.07 | aemquo | klys, This is a Debian issue. |
| 10:18.11 | klys | ok |
| 10:18.17 | rozie | knoppix used to use nameservers from DHCP, but it was ages ago |
| 10:18.56 | rozie | sisyphu: you probably need to ask on Knoppix channel. it's not Debian and it has lots of modifications/customisations |
| 10:19.35 | sisyphu | rozie: could that be an spoof attack? i know some guys in LAN are evils. |
| 10:20.08 | sisyphu | I think it doesn't matter debian or knoppix. |
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| 10:21.20 | rozie | it may be just wild dhcp server |
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| 10:21.48 | rozie | nothing you can do about it, unless you have managed equipment (switches) |
| 10:23.48 | klys | aemquo mane sure that you have openjdk (or java) properly installed (not jre) |
| 10:23.53 | klys | *make sure |
| 10:23.55 | Nanuq | sisyphu: Using IPv6 by chance? |
| 10:24.37 | klys | aemquo then start it from an xterm/rxvt/etc. and see if it logs any messages when you try that |
| 10:24.40 | sisyphu | Nanuq: no ipv4 |
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| 10:24.56 | aemquo | Ok. I have both openjdk 6 and 7 |
| 10:25.07 | Hilton | When I modify the interfaces file, is there a way to reload without rebooting the vm? |
| 10:25.14 | sisyphu | Nanuq: sorry i mean ipv4 not ipv6 |
| 10:25.43 | rozie | aemquo: check which one you use by default. /etc/alternatives/ probably |
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| 10:26.09 | tremon | Hilton: the correct way is to ifdown $interface, then modify interfaces, then ifup $interface |
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| 10:26.28 | sisyphu | Nanuq: I used to surf without configing nameservers with knoppix but recently i have to enter them every time boot up |
| 10:26.47 | Hilton | tremon: I've done that, but it doesn't seem to work.. |
| 10:26.49 | Nanuq | sisyphu: Right. Just mentioning in case, since I was having issue with RDNSS and it clobbering my resolv.conf |
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| 10:28.04 | Nanuq | sisyphu: Something probably is though. If you check the logs it should show if you're getting DNS servers via DHCP, which you almost certainly are. |
| 10:28.11 | aemquo | rozie, link currently points to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java |
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| 10:28.26 | rozie | aemquo: so it's 6 |
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| 10:29.30 | Nanuq | sisyphu: It could also be some other network manager (wicd, say) that's futzing with your resolv.conf. |
| 10:29.55 | tremon | Hilton: it should, that's all I can say. You'll have to provide more information than "doesn't work" to get a more useful response |
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| 10:30.43 | rozie | Nanuq: it's Knoppix. it's liveCD (fix me if it is installed) |
| 10:31.04 | sisyphu | Nanuq: mine is NetworkManager |
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| 10:32.00 | Nanuq | rozie: Still applicable. It could be a bug with Knoppix, or with the network configuration. |
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| 10:32.34 | rozie | sisyphu: do you boot it from original live image? |
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| 10:33.06 | rozie | Nanuq: live should work. if persistent in some way, it may have dhcpclient config modified and so on |
| 10:33.07 | sisyphu | sorry what "it" refered to? |
| 10:33.14 | sisyphu | rozie: sorry what "it" refered to? |
| 10:33.34 | rozie | knoppix |
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| 10:35.45 | sisyphu | rozie: i just copy the files to hd and creat a 1GB data image to store personal files |
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| 10:37.02 | sisyphu | rozie: so it's the original live image |
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| 10:37.47 | zxd | does vim in debian have ruby syntax on by default? |
| 10:40.31 | nkuttler | zxd: i don't think highlighting is enabled by default, but rb should be included |
| 10:40.41 | rozie | sisyphu: try booting from livecd/DVD |
| 10:41.11 | nkuttler | zxd: yeah, vim-runtime: /usr/share/vim/vim73/syntax/ruby.vim |
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| 10:43.25 | sisyphu | rozie: that does the same if i use the same knoppix-data.img |
| 10:43.40 | Release_ | back |
| 10:43.46 | Release_ | sorry for the delay |
| 10:43.55 | Release_ | but crom still doesnt seem to be working |
| 10:44.09 | Release_ | i have this in the bash check file |
| 10:44.11 | Release_ | https://dpaste.de/wKNf |
| 10:44.27 | Release_ | * * * * * /home/justin/bopm/check.sh >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 10:44.35 | Release_ | and this crontab |
| 10:46.56 | Release_ | i dont know how to get cron started |
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| 10:47.22 | sisyphu | rozie: any way to lock /etc/resolv.conf ? chmod? |
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| 10:49.03 | Walex | Release_: the CRON daemon starts by default. Check with 'service cron status' |
| 10:49.16 | Release_ | ok |
| 10:50.01 | Deeps | Release_: also, you should probably use pgrep instead of grepping ps |
| 10:50.06 | Release_ | -bash: service: command not found |
| 10:50.55 | Release_ | if ps -u justin | pgrep $SERVICE > /dev/null |
| 10:51.03 | Release_ | like this Deeps ? |
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| 10:51.10 | Deeps | no, use pgrep, dont use ps |
| 10:51.15 | Deeps | man pgrep |
| 10:51.21 | Release_ | pgrep $SERVICE > /dev/null |
| 10:51.24 | Release_ | just this |
| 10:51.27 | Release_ | ? |
| 10:51.42 | Deeps | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/033 |
| 10:51.47 | Release_ | ok |
| 10:51.55 | sisyphu | rozie: nameserver is static in my network |
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| 10:53.04 | Release_ | how would that look like deeps |
| 10:53.15 | Release_ | i checked the link but its not clear to me |
| 10:53.18 | Hilton | ARGH |
| 10:53.43 | Deeps | i can't help you then, carry on as you were |
| 10:53.50 | Release_ | ok |
| 10:55.23 | Hilton | HOW can I set up Debian with two connected network adapters - one bridged to the lan/wan, one a host-only network provided by VBox (so I can have a static local IP no matter where I am) ... if eth1 (host only) is up, I lose all internet connectivity. |
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| 10:57.12 | Hilton | I just can't get anything to work. |
| 10:57.22 | Release_ | you dont have any example of what you talk about deeps |
| 10:57.33 | Release_ | examples would help a lot |
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| 10:57.55 | Hilton | interfaces currently has: allow-hotplug eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp; gateway 192.168.0.1 ... allow-hotplug eth1; iface eth1 inet static; address 192.168.55.55; netmask 255.255.255.0; gateway 192.168.55.1 |
| 10:58.39 | Mac89 | hello guys, I do not speak English and this is an automated translation, I wanted to find out whether exits already a sure way to install xfce4.10 on debian wheezy? |
| 10:58.52 | tremon | Hilton: remove the gateway line from the host-only interface |
| 10:59.18 | Hilton | Either by themselves work as expected, but with both together .. either the internet is lost, or if I ifdown both and ifup both, eth1 won't connect (gives an error). |
| 10:59.59 | Hilton | Also, an odd effect right now. ifconfig shows eth1, but ifdown eth1 says interface not configured. |
| 11:01.34 | Hilton | Alright I'll try that and reboot it to get rid of the ghost eth1... |
| 11:02.54 | babilen | dpkg: it |
| 11:02.54 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:03.04 | babilen | Mac89: ^^^ |
| 11:03.22 | babilen | judd: v xfce4 |
| 11:03.24 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.10.1 |
| 11:03.59 | Mac89 | babilen: ok |
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| 11:04.13 | babilen | Mac89: You cannot install it in wheezy (stable), but it is already available in jessie and sid which are both development releases. Wouldn't necessarily recommend to run either of them if you aren't familiar with Debian as you will run into problems. |
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| 11:04.34 | Hilton | tremon: How about that. You fixed it. Hooray! |
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| 11:19.59 | aemquo | Will the next Debian release use systemd? |
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| 11:21.10 | Mikaela | I hope that it does. but you can manually install it from repositories in testing and unstable. |
| 11:22.08 | xand | systemd is available to install in stable too |
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| 11:25.31 | aemquo | Right, I meant by default |
| 11:26.11 | xand | I think there's an arguing argument/discussion about that |
| 11:26.13 | xand | er |
| 11:26.16 | xand | *ongoing |
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| 11:26.52 | fenixsan | hi guys, how can I load an .iso file as a virtual machine on a debian system? |
| 11:27.39 | klys | I hope sysvinit stays. |
| 11:27.43 | aemquo | fenixsan, mount? |
| 11:28.04 | klys | someone earlier said it is definite that sysvinit will stay. |
| 11:28.49 | aemquo | Why do you want sysvinit to stay? |
| 11:28.57 | klys | sysvinit is more capable of configuration |
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| 11:29.29 | aemquo | sysvinit is a dinosaur. |
| 11:29.35 | klys | ...which is something you want if you are using debian and want to make a custom server. |
| 11:29.59 | Penix | aemquo: so is 'ls' and 'cd'. are you going to stop using those? |
| 11:30.34 | iKb | he is using ls++ and cd++ |
| 11:30.45 | klys | already has plans to stop using `cd.' |
| 11:31.18 | xand | it's called cd not cd. |
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| 11:31.24 | fenixsan | aemquo I want something like VMPlayer on windows, so that I can run windows 7 in a virtual machine on my linux desktop for testing purposes |
| 11:31.37 | klys | in english the period goes before the unquote. |
| 11:31.38 | aemquo | fenixsan, Virtualbox? |
| 11:31.53 | xand | klys: nope |
| 11:32.07 | klys | look it up "the elements of style" |
| 11:32.09 | aemquo | Why did you use ` ? |
| 11:32.17 | xand | klys: and it's called a full-stop |
| 11:32.22 | klys | `quotes' |
| 11:32.37 | aemquo | But why ` rather than ' ? |
| 11:32.58 | klys | because I am not quoting a single character for a C program. |
| 11:33.05 | aemquo | xand, It's actually called a period. |
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| 11:33.18 | xand | aemquo: it's actually called a full-stop. |
| 11:33.37 | aemquo | ... No. It is officially called a period, though many people use 'full-stop.' |
| 11:33.50 | xand | that's a stupid americanism |
| 11:33.51 | iKb | lol i love this REALLY TECH discussion |
| 11:33.56 | aemquo | xand, no. |
| 11:33.59 | xand | yes. |
| 11:34.05 | klys | C style is a technical discussion. |
| 11:34.05 | aemquo | ... no. |
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| 11:34.26 | xand | yes, and it goes after the ', moron. |
| 11:34.32 | aemquo | ... no. |
| 11:34.37 | klys | no |
| 11:34.42 | klys | you're out-voted. |
| 11:34.50 | Penix | full stop is british english, period is american english. neither is correct |
| 11:34.52 | xand | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-stop |
| 11:34.53 | Penix | !ot |
| 11:34.53 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 11:36.14 | tremon | fenixsan: iso filesystems are read-only. No OS is going to be happy when it can't write anywhere, unless it was specifically designed that way (like livecd's -- which use a ramdisk) |
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| 11:37.50 | mo1991 | firestarter is showing me as having an active connection to 5.10.83.26. Even after reboot I see this connection - upon googling the IP it said something about this ip "web scraping" can someone help me determine this connection? |
| 11:38.14 | mo1991 | 5.10.83.26 being the destination... |
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| 11:39.34 | xand | mo1991: run "netstat -pan | grep 5.10.83.26" to see what program is connecting to it (you might need to run it as root) |
| 11:39.38 | wols | mo1991: as root, netstat -anp|grep 5.10.83.26 then you know which process has this connection open |
| 11:39.40 | SNow | hi there guys, for specific reason (conntrack dropping packets) i don't want to use 'state' for established and related connections. But without that I have problems even doing apt-get update. What is solution to avoid this? It would be insane for me to manually add all the addresses that the servers communicates with from inside. |
| 11:40.08 | aemquo | Will debian support nftables in the next release? |
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| 11:41.42 | xinming | anyone here met the problem of enter gnome 3.10 after upgrading ? |
| 11:41.55 | aemquo | People still use gnome? |
| 11:42.36 | ompaul | aemquo: question nftables - if the kernel number increases to 3.13 before release |
| 11:42.42 | nkuttler | ,v gnome |
| 11:42.43 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.8+4; sid: 1:3.8+4 |
| 11:42.46 | xinming | Now, when I start gdm3, The background seems to be dead, and when I press C-A-F1 to switch to tty and use top to see wether they are loading in background. |
| 11:42.54 | nkuttler | xinming: where did you find 3.10 ? |
| 11:42.59 | xinming | actually, they are not loading |
| 11:43.37 | xinming | and when I try to switch to tty7 again, they doesn't seem to respond, and the backgorund is the same as the tty, with texts, but I do see cursor moving around |
| 11:43.43 | ompaul | ,v kernels |
| 11:43.43 | xinming | nkuttler: sorry, mistake, It's 3.8 |
| 11:43.44 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in i386. |
| 11:43.45 | xinming | not 3.10 |
| 11:43.55 | ompaul | ,v kernel |
| 11:43.56 | judd | No package named 'kernel' was found in i386. |
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| 11:43.58 | xinming | I think it's a gdm issue |
| 11:44.07 | xinming | Or maybe gnome issue |
| 11:44.13 | xinming | because the kernel is 3.11.2 |
| 11:44.16 | nkuttler | !tell xinming about debian-next |
| 11:44.58 | xinming | ok, got it |
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| 11:45.20 | klys | ...but please report your bugs |
| 11:46.25 | mo1991 | xand and wols - the command shows no connection. Firestarter seems funny sometimes when showing "active connections" I did notice that this particular IP was shown as an active connection after reboot - after a few minutes. I do run an apache server and read that this ip does web scraping? Can you guys fill me in on what this might be? |
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| 11:47.00 | mrmr | ,v xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
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| 11:47.01 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5; squeeze-backports: 1:0.0.16+git20110411+8378443-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.0.1-5; jessie: 1:1.0.10-1; sid: 1:1.0.10-1 |
| 11:47.02 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 11:47.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-rc6-686-pae (3.13~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.11.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 11:48.00 | mo1991 | I did shut down my apache server for a minute to try to see if the connection stopped - I don't think firestarter "active connections" is always correct about them being "active' |
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| 11:48.49 | anthonym | hey trend setters, I have a bunch of debian back-end servers, all running memcached, mysql replication and data transfer between them all.. I want to network the servers together in a VPN configuration for security.. what'd be the best solution to look at? |
| 11:49.03 | klys | ompaul I was asking about the lenny kernel version ? |
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| 11:49.51 | ompaul | klys: was I talking to you? |
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| 11:50.21 | klys | nm. ompaul if you don't want to help |
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| 11:53.47 | ompaul | klys: I misread your question, and the last line of text before your question was, .., please report your bugs so I presumed you were talking to someone else, it won't tell you about lenny but a dist-upgrade on will get you there, it was a http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-kbuild-2.6/ |
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| 11:53.54 | jelly-home | mo1991: are you running hamachi/LogMeIn? |
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| 11:54.09 | anthonym | hey trend setters, I have a bunch of debian back-end servers, all running memcached, mysql replication and data transfer between them all.. I want to network the servers together in a VPN configuration for security.. what'd be the best solution to look at? (sorry I got disconnected before anyone replied) |
| 11:54.16 | mo1991 | jelly-home - no |
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| 11:54.50 | jelly-home | mo1991: alright then; it has a nasty habit of using 5.0.0.0/8 network for vpn |
| 11:55.16 | idueppe | hi, if I call "sudo bash" or "su" I like to have the same bash configuration as my user has in .profile. Modifing the /root/.profile doesn't seem to work. How should I do this? |
| 11:55.51 | anthonym | what about .bash_profile ? |
| 11:56.19 | klys | ompaul should kernel 2.6.21 be compatible with e2fsprogs tune2fs -j from lenny seeing as it used kernels as old as 2.6.18 ? |
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| 11:56.45 | mo1991 | jelly-home ya for some reason firestarter shows active connections to that ip on ports 36377 33684 and 52056. Does this make any sense to you? Shows program as unknown |
| 11:57.07 | jelly-home | klys: lenny had 2.6.26; etch was 2.6.18 |
| 11:57.08 | ompaul | klys: you shouldn't even be looking at lenny, get off that onto squeeze minimum and up to something like wheezy before jessie gets released ... |
| 11:57.32 | klys | I think the filesystem was built with lenny before I upgraded to wheezy. |
| 11:57.44 | jelly-home | klys: what's the actual problem? |
| 11:57.47 | mo1991 | jelly-home yet netstat shows nothing |
| 11:58.00 | nkuttler | idueppe: i'd recommend against doing that.. you want the root shell to be restricted.. but you could alias su to source your config i guess.. |
| 11:58.01 | klys | brb. |
| 11:58.35 | ompaul | klys: file systems are backward compatible ... what you are talking about, that makes no sense |
| 11:59.30 | idueppe | nkuttler: I just want to change to prompt coloring and add some alias configuration |
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| 12:00.14 | nkuttler | idueppe: also keep in mind that simple +rw access to your bash config files could give a potential attacker an easy way to run commands as root |
| 12:00.22 | jelly-home | mo1991: I have no idea what firestarter is, an iptables script/wrapper? |
| 12:00.28 | nkuttler | idueppe: i'd just copy that file over to root then |
| 12:00.47 | mo1991 | jelly-home - ya it's a gui firewall so yes |
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| 12:01.16 | nkuttler | idueppe: but like i said, alias su if you must. for sudo you can do the same |
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| 12:03.02 | klys | ompaul, jelly-home: ok I got one out of two ext2/ext3 partitions mounted. I will describe what is happening with /dev/sdc6 |
| 12:03.36 | wsky | i know it's not the right place to ask but do any of you is familiar with mikrotik routers? |
| 12:03.37 | idueppe | nkuttler: I don't understand you. I see no reason why I should alias su or sudo. I just want if I like to switch over to "su" oder using "sudo bash" to have a proper prompt. Or do you mean that switching to "sudo bash" is a security issue, but how? |
| 12:03.47 | ompaul | klys: they mount or they do not, if not you use fsck -y if that fails you get your backups, you do have backups? |
| 12:04.19 | nkuttler | idueppe: yes, so make su/sudo do what you want. an alias is for convenience if you don't want to type longer commands.. |
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| 12:04.24 | jelly-home | mo1991: could be a half-open connection, what does ss -tupan say? |
| 12:04.30 | klys | I have newer kernels...not backups I don't think |
| 12:04.34 | xand | wsky: yes but maybe ##networking for that |
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| 12:04.45 | nkuttler | idueppe: specify the command su/sudo run, and tell your shell which rc files to use |
| 12:04.46 | wsky | j ##networking |
| 12:04.58 | xand | there's also a #routerboard on another network |
| 12:05.13 | wsky | xand: can you join there? |
| 12:05.27 | xand | I am in those channels |
| 12:05.29 | idueppe | nkuttler: how do I do this to tell the shell which rc files to use? |
| 12:05.42 | nkuttler | idueppe: man <yourshell> |
| 12:05.44 | mo1991 | jelly-home it does not show the IP in question |
| 12:05.49 | idueppe | ;-) |
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| 12:06.09 | jelly-home | mo1991: running as root? Alright, what about the contents of /proc/net/ip_conntrack |
| 12:06.16 | mo1991 | seems like firestarters "active connections" may leave old connections or something. This is not the first time i've seen this |
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| 12:06.22 | klys | # mount -t ext3 /dev/sdc6 /mnb; EXT3-fs: sdc5: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (40).; mount: wrong fs type, bad option, etc... |
| 12:06.54 | jelly-home | klys: pastebin the output of "blkid" and "dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdc6" |
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| 12:06.56 | klys | # mount --version; mount: mount-2.9g |
| 12:07.27 | klys | er, I don't think busybox has those diags. I will chroot to /mnt and try it that way |
| 12:07.48 | klys | ...or not. no busybox chroot |
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| 12:08.20 | jelly-home | klys: which debian release is this supposed to be? Can you boot a livecd/liveusb instead? |
| 12:08.35 | idueppe | nkuttler: no I understand. You mean if I ran "su" and there I say use my .profile that a potential attacker could have changed it and I run some new code with root permissions. Ok that I don't want to do. I thought that I just can change the "/root/.profile" configuration for root and it will similar work like it does for my user. |
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| 12:08.49 | klys | I don't have an .iso handy right now jelly-home. lemme try LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 12:09.26 | mo1991 | jelly-home /proc/net/ip_conntrack does show the IP |
| 12:09.33 | mo1991 | and the ports |
| 12:09.41 | jelly-home | mo1991: pastebin the output? |
| 12:09.52 | nkuttler | idueppe: yeah, that's why i said i'd rather just copy the file |
| 12:10.12 | idueppe | nkuttler: yes I did that ... with no effect |
| 12:10.22 | ompaul | klys: do this as root, fdisk -l and read back the file system type to yourself |
| 12:10.31 | nkuttler | idueppe: well you still need to source it. and, actually, not even sure su/sudo give you login shells |
| 12:11.10 | jelly-home | ompaul: fdisk doesn't show filesystem types |
| 12:11.23 | idueppe | nkutter: what do you mean with "need to source it?" |
| 12:12.29 | mo1991 | jelly-home http://paste.debian.net/74361/ |
| 12:12.33 | klys | ...83 Linux native |
| 12:12.39 | MO_Handes | what is the best way for making bootable flash from debian iso image? |
| 12:12.59 | MO_Handes | unetbootin does not do it well, during installation it says it can't read from cd |
| 12:13.06 | MO_Handes | I'm using dd now |
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| 12:13.35 | ompaul | jelly-home: it will tell him if he is looking at something other than ext3 / 2 which is what I suspect |
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| 12:14.00 | ompaul | jelly-home: I could have phrased it better I guess |
| 12:14.02 | jelly-home | ompaul: no, it won't |
| 12:14.35 | jelly-home | fdisk does not go examining the contents of a partition |
| 12:14.38 | ompaul | yeah |
| 12:14.56 | ompaul | it looks at the table and spouts that back but has no bearing on etc ... |
| 12:15.08 | ompaul | woops I'll go get that coffee |
| 12:15.22 | klys | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/mnt/lib:/mnt/lib/i386-linux-gnu:/mnt/usr/lib:/mnt/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu /mnt/usr/sbin/chroot /mnt; BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 53: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `! "bad dynamic tag"' failed! |
| 12:15.54 | klys | ...not that you all are informed about the ELF spec and know libbfd errors |
| 12:16.33 | klys | ...hmm, would be interesting to see if a newer mount program can handle the partition |
| 12:16.39 | jelly-home | klys: just boot something normal when you can |
| 12:17.00 | ompaul | klys: you are wasting your time and energy, for two minutes of doing it right when you can |
| 12:17.01 | klys | jelly-home I'm supposed to be diagnosing a bug with matroxfb |
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| 12:18.26 | jelly-home | klys: and you can't do that with a wheezy liveusb, or what? |
| 12:20.01 | klys | I have wheezy, just the debian kernel 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae encounters a problem with the first matroxset line |
| 12:20.14 | jelly-home | 3.3 is not from wheezy. klys |
| 12:20.23 | klys | in my newer kernels there is also a problem with that line, but it's different. |
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| 12:20.30 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 12:20.31 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-rc6-686-pae (3.13~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.11.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 12:20.37 | wols | klys: use a kernel from either wheezy or backports |
| 12:20.49 | jelly-home | klys: the release is at 3.2, roughly 3.2.51 |
| 12:20.51 | klys | yes, I saw that. want to try lenny kernel...? |
| 12:20.57 | wols | klys: no you don't |
| 12:21.08 | anthonym | hey trend setters, I have a bunch of debian back-end servers, all running memcached, mysql replication and data transfer between them all.. I want to network the servers together in a VPN configuration for security.. what'd be the best solution to look at? (sorry I got disconnected before anyone replied) |
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| 12:21.18 | jelly-home | klys: what do you need matroxfb for? |
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| 12:21.33 | klys | It makes tv-out easy I had one before with debian |
| 12:21.47 | jelly-home | perhaps whatever it is you need can be done some other way |
| 12:21.49 | wols | anthonym: openvpn probably |
| 12:22.03 | jelly-home | like with X and their drivers |
| 12:22.11 | idueppe | Irtfm - su -l and sudo bash -l do what I want |
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| 12:22.18 | klys | it also supports simultaneous composite and s-video. man mplayer contains a lot of matroxfb-specific stuff. |
| 12:22.40 | jelly-home | klys: much of that code is likely abandoned or untested in a long time |
| 12:22.45 | ompaul | anthonym |
| 12:22.48 | ompaul | woops |
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| 12:23.08 | ompaul | anthonym: same answer anyway as wols |
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| 12:23.41 | jelly-home | klys: which explains the regressions |
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| 12:24.31 | mo1991 | jelly-home - where you able to see my pastebin? |
| 12:24.46 | jelly-home | must have missed it, sorry |
| 12:24.49 | anthonym | thanks wols and thanks ompaul |
| 12:25.02 | anthonym | I shall invest 2 and a half months in implementing openvpn :) |
| 12:25.09 | mo1991 | jelly-home http://paste.debian.net/74361/ |
| 12:25.35 | ompaul | anthonym: 1.6 hours for the starting point and 5 mins per machine after that |
| 12:25.37 | klys | can you ask the maintainers of matroxset about their manpage and the www.bglug.ca link (I just did man matroxset in sid) |
| 12:25.51 | anthonym | awesome thanks mate :) |
| 12:25.58 | jelly-home | mo1991: oh, I'm not good at interpreting these, but it looks like a half-open connection to your web server, probably a result of some scanning tool |
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| 12:26.54 | ompaul | anthonym: and less if you are on only one or two sites - best advice I can give you is one server as master and the others as slaves - then if you want to do a second master roll that out afterwards using the new infrastructure you made |
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| 12:28.06 | klys | I can verify that there is a functional second head on the graphics board's framebuffer with the ./con2fb utility from mirrors of that link. |
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| 12:28.59 | mo1991 | jelly-home - ok - are you saying web server because of the dport 80? |
| 12:29.10 | anthonym | thank you ompaul :) |
| 12:29.21 | jelly-home | mo1991: yes, do you have a listener service on port 80? |
| 12:29.47 | klys | mebby we should just file a bug against matroxset that says the link is down but there are other mirrors such as googleusercontent. |
| 12:29.58 | mo1991 | ya I run apache - when i saw this I shut it down to see if it would close the connection but it didnt't - but yes normally I have apache running |
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| 12:31.32 | mo1991 | jelly-home so basically you are reading the log as my server was trying to send to this ip and the ip was unresponsive / unreplied? |
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| 12:31.38 | ompaul | anthonym: the thing with openvpn is the server, the config files are easy to read and work with, suggest you spend sometime reading the howto on the Openvpn site, don't worry about the tun and tap stuff just do tun regardless of hardware that hasn't mattered in years |
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| 12:33.49 | jelly-home | mo1991: I think it was the other way around -- the other end sent an initial packet, your server made an initial response, and the other end never finished the tcp handshake (which is done with a second packet from their end) |
| 12:34.18 | jelly-home | mo1991: so your SYN-ACK went unreplied |
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| 12:34.53 | jelly-home | I'm guessing, I don't know exactly what ip_conntrack stuff means |
| 12:35.22 | anthonym | thanks ompaul :)) |
| 12:35.45 | mo1991 | jelly-home - but basically its only showing up because its a connection that never finished? and is not currently connected? I'm googling contrack as well |
| 12:36.28 | jelly-home | mo1991: right. The kernel keeps half-open connections for a while, hoping they get established properly |
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| 12:38.42 | mo1991 | jelly-home - I appreciate your help. Learned something new :) Any idea how to drop these half connections? |
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| 12:45.03 | jelly-home | mo1991: they'll go away on their own; the kernel has a lot of timeout tunables but I don't know which ones are useful here |
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| 12:46.23 | mo1991 | ok thx |
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| 12:50.26 | klys | that's it. I'll use both lenny and wheezy kernels. I just won't report lenny results unless asked. |
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| 13:12.22 | sgo11 | hi, I am just wondering how to check/test if 2D and 3D acceleration enabled or not in the system? thanks. |
| 13:12.39 | abrotman | glxinfo |
| 13:12.59 | abrotman | sgo11: check to see if Direct Rendering is enabled |
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| 13:13.58 | sgo11 | abrotman, thanks a lot. what is "Direct Rendering" for? 2D acceleration or 3D acceleration? thanks. |
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| 13:14.24 | limikael | hi, i have two debians running in 2 virtual box instances. when I do "uname -a" one says "Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 i686 GNU/Linux" the other says "Linux debian 3.2.0-4-486 #1 Debian 3.2.51-1 i686 GNU/Linux". I have a software that works in the first config, but not second. Don't remember how I managed to get the first one, because win I download I get the second. So what did I do? |
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| 13:15.43 | abrotman | sgo11: what's your video card? |
| 13:15.48 | wols | limikael: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 13:16.02 | abrotman | limikael: aptitude install linux-image-686-pae |
| 13:16.40 | zxd | how do I remove with wildcard |
| 13:16.44 | zxd | aptitude foo-* |
| 13:17.47 | sgo11 | abrotman, Is there a general way? The reason why I want to know this is because I will have an ARM board soon. just want to know how to check this beforehand. installation in an arm board may not enable 2D acceleration. thanks. |
| 13:17.49 | limikael | abrotman: ok will try that, but the strange thing is, I never did that the first time. I got it because of something I chose in the install process, or because I downloaded a different image. but don't remember which. |
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| 13:18.26 | abrotman | sgo11: what do you need this acceleration for? |
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| 13:19.32 | iKb | i own blablabla.com, is possible to redirect lan.blablabla.com to my home server that has a dynamic ip but a ddns that always point to updated ip |
| 13:19.45 | iKb | on my ow server i have a dns server also |
| 13:19.57 | sgo11 | abrotman, ... how to answer this... this should be obvious. otherwise, browser, video play and many other apps will not function well. |
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| 13:20.36 | Guest5886 | i'm trying to test something on 2.4.x kernel etc. install sarge. how do I tell installer to look for sarge name instead for oldstable/stable/testing |
| 13:20.46 | limikael | abrotman: do you know? |
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| 13:21.12 | aemquo | How does one make apt ignore updates to certain packages? |
| 13:21.19 | wols | Guest5886: install without network access, edit sources.list later |
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| 13:21.46 | wols | !tell aemquo about hold |
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| 13:22.16 | Guest5886 | wols so no way to hack/set installer somehow |
| 13:22.42 | sgo11 | iKb, I think that should be easy. just redirect lan.blablabla.com to your home server host.domain. what's the problem? |
| 13:22.59 | tremon | Guest5886: use archive.debian.org as your installation mirror |
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| 13:23.41 | tremon | and obviously, also use the sarge installer |
| 13:24.35 | Guest5886 | tremon installer looks for srable/testing names. there not these on archive.debian |
| 13:25.01 | Guest5886 | only distro names |
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| 13:25.11 | iKb | sgo11, i am a bind/dns newbie...when you write redirect what you really mean? |
| 13:25.13 | tremon | ah. odd. I remember doing that in the past, at least I think I did |
| 13:25.41 | iKb | wiche record i have to add to my blablabla.com bind table |
| 13:26.16 | Guest5886 | obvious easy way is to download bigger CD |
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| 13:26.24 | abrotman | sgo11: for an ARM ? |
| 13:26.39 | abrotman | limikael: know what? I gave you the answer? |
| 13:27.34 | forcer | iKb: A CNAME record, like "lan IN CNAME host.domain." |
| 13:28.00 | sgo11 | iKb, I may misunderstood your question. is this question for web traffic redirect? |
| 13:28.16 | sgo11 | abrotman, yeah, for an ARM. what's wrong? thanks. |
| 13:28.50 | abrotman | sgo11: nothing |
| 13:29.57 | limikael | abrotman: but it was some default image i downloaded that resulted in that. but don't know which one it was, do you know which one it could have been? |
| 13:30.20 | abrotman | limikael: nope |
| 13:30.32 | iKb | forcer, host.domain will be the ddns for my home server? |
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| 13:31.14 | sgo11 | ARM board is easier to carry than a laptop. I just bought one to replace my laptop. |
| 13:31.20 | forcer | iKb: Yes |
| 13:31.25 | limikael | abrotman: ok… after installing that package I still have the same mysterious crash in the program i'm running (freeswitch) :( |
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| 13:32.00 | abrotman | limikael: might be a different problem then .. perhaps use strace or ltrace to debug |
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| 13:33.40 | limikael | abrotman: hm but freeswitch is kind of big so i'm not sure i would get any clues from those traces… well… but ok i will try actually... |
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| 13:34.02 | iKb | forcer, ok going to try |
| 13:34.03 | iKb | thanks |
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| 13:34.10 | abrotman | limikael: you could compare package lists |
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| 13:35.32 | limikael | abrotman: i did, by doing "dpkg-query -l" didn't see anything at first glance, but didn't actually run "diff" on them, will do that |
| 13:35.34 | koell | Is ther a nano like editor with support for tabs, e. g to have different files open at the same time? |
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| 13:40.21 | oskie | i'm going to set up LUKS encryption on two mirrored drives. What's a good way to do this, cryptsetup(md-raid1(hdd1,hdd2)) ? or should I use LVM? |
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| 13:41.17 | tremon | I tend to prefer lvm-over-luks-over-md. If you you cryptsetup as the lowest layer, you need to unlock every leg of the array separately |
| 13:41.28 | tremon | s/you you/you use/ |
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| 13:42.53 | aemquo | oskie, LUKS on one large partition, LVM on said LUKS partition |
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| 13:44.12 | niteye | when i change the volume in VLC the volume mixer goes berserk, for example i want to lower it in VLC, but it maxes out the XFCE or gnome volume mixer instead and blasts my ears |
| 13:45.34 | klys | koell: I have done apt-cache search nano; on squeeze and sid; nothing comes up except this: diakonos - Customizable, usable console-based text editor |
| 13:45.39 | niteye | and closing VLC also changes the volume mixer volume to some arbitrary level (perhaps what it was at before starting vlc? who knows) |
| 13:45.47 | niteye | in any case, its quite confusing and annoying |
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| 13:46.12 | koell | klys: i just want to make sure, it doesnt depend on vim nor emacs knowledge. :) |
| 13:46.44 | klys | no, I don't have it installed (but am an emacs user incidentally) koell |
| 13:46.45 | elfranne | niteye, did you try to switch the sound mixer in vlc ? |
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| 13:47.28 | koell | klys: thanks, looks nice! |
| 13:47.30 | niteye | i get the choice of some output methods such as "default, alsa, dummy" etc but im not quite sure which one is best or should be |
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| 13:48.15 | elfranne | niteye, try them and see if still goes "berserk" |
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| 13:50.27 | niteye | im half understanding what's happening. when i change the audio level in VLC, it changes the desktop volume mixer level. but when i change it with volume mixer, the volume bar in VLC stays the same, so for example its set at 70% in VLC (and also gnome), then i lower it with buttons on my keyboard which changes gnome volume to 20% |
| 13:50.35 | limikael | abrotman: made a diff of the packages, but that didn't give any clues either… ok trying strace |
| 13:50.59 | koell | klys: so u r one of those fast guys on keyboards? |
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| 13:51.07 | niteye | but then when i want to slightly lower the VLC audio level to lets say 60%, it actually increases the volume from 20% to 60% (instead of a 10% diminution that i expected) |
| 13:51.24 | klys | you're welcome, koell |
| 13:52.28 | elfranne | i just bought a vps and wanted to disable root login from ssh, i edited the /etc/ssh/ssh_config and after restart of the ssh service i can still login with root |
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| 13:53.04 | limikael | abrotman: it actually core dumps, so that's progress! :) but what do I actually do with the core file to get more info? |
| 13:53.19 | klys | koell the last time someone told me I was a hacker was when I posted some sample contents of /etc/network/interfaces which uses wpasupplicant. |
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| 13:54.10 | abrotman | limikael: you can to learn about gdb |
| 13:54.16 | koell | klys: hahaa, i think about if i should get into vim/emacs or still stick with the eclipse java junkies out there :) |
| 13:54.25 | niteye | so basically i think my problems would be solved if vlc would keep its hands off the system master volume when i change the volume inside VLC |
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| 13:55.54 | limikael | abrotman: yep! i think i will do that actually, maybe that way i can actually be of use to the community… (because it is a beta version freeswitch i'm using, so maybe i can actually help finding the bug) |
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| 13:59.36 | klys | koell here is an example ~/.emacs: (custom-set-variables; '(c-backspace-function (quote backward-delete-char)); '(c-basic-offset 3); '(c-label-minimum-indentation 3); '(c-syntactic-indentation nil); '(initial-major-mode (quote text-mode)); '(initial-scratch-message nil); '(standard-indent 3); '(tab-always-indent nil)); (custom-set-faces) |
| 13:59.52 | Kuba | does anyone know why munin-async init script allows to start multiple instances? |
| 14:00.14 | koell | klys: whats that? shortcuts mapping? |
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| 14:01.00 | klys | it's for editing c/c++ and text with emacs |
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| 14:04.45 | forcer | Weird world. #emacs has someone asking about Debian, and #debian has someone talking about Emacs. You're doing it wrong! |
| 14:05.34 | koell | forcer: im just here for the cookies :) |
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| 14:05.50 | Perdu_ | Are they asking how to install debian in emacs? |
| 14:05.51 | forcer | Yummy. Cookies. |
| 14:06.01 | koell | :-D |
| 14:06.10 | koell | what is debian? |
| 14:06.16 | forcer | Perdu_: Nah, some weird problem with emacs24 on jessie. |
| 14:06.31 | ftpmget | hi to all |
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| 14:07.54 | ftpmget | question: i am travelling around...and want to have the fastest possible mirrors in sources.list...i am trying to use "apt-spy -a" but without sucess...any ideas? |
| 14:08.59 | ftpmget | tried iso country codes..not working...when used with -h as help switch, it gives "Europe" as an example..but that also fails |
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| 14:09.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ftpmget about cdn.debian.net |
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| 14:09.42 | ftpmget | if i just put "-d stable" it is working, but it will take an eternity to scan all mirrors |
| 14:09.51 | ftpmget | any ideas? |
| 14:10.55 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ftpmget about cdn.debian.net |
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| 14:12.24 | klys | ...don't waste your time. http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 14:13.02 | abrotman | don't waste time with what? |
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| 14:13.41 | klys | abrotman "to scan all mirrors" |
| 14:13.59 | abrotman | I already gave him the answer .. stop feeding people your useless answers |
| 14:14.14 | klys | didn't see your factoid |
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| 14:14.24 | abrotman | I gave it to him *twice* |
| 14:14.47 | klys | oic |
| 14:15.00 | abrotman | you don't, that's part of the problem. |
| 14:15.07 | klys | no, I see now. |
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| 14:17.14 | asterismo | hi |
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| 14:17.50 | klys | hil asterismo |
| 14:17.57 | klys | ask away |
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| 14:20.57 | ftpmget | abortman, kyls: thank you both...i already went to web page indicated by kyls...and tried what abortman sugested...all ok now...thanks again |
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| 14:22.18 | abrotman | ftpmget: cdn.debian.net will choose the closest mirror as you move |
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| 14:28.35 | ftpmget | gtg...by all |
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| 14:36.13 | DeepBlue | hi,i 'm logged in xfce .there is no sound though there is a mixer icon.how to fix this? |
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| 14:37.11 | Belial` | DeepBlue, right click, run audio mixer |
| 14:37.14 | jmd | How do I find out which Xserver is appropriate for my hardware? |
| 14:37.16 | Belial` | so if anything is muted |
| 14:37.28 | abrotman | jmd: you mean which Xorg video driver? |
| 14:37.37 | jmd | abrotman: Yes |
| 14:38.22 | DeepBlue | it says 'no controls are marked as visible' |
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| 14:38.52 | abrotman | jmd: lspci -nn, the PCIID might help |
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| 14:39.15 | DeepBlue | when i press the select controls button.i can find none |
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| 14:39.39 | Belial` | DeepBlue, there's no controls under "select controls" that have check boxes next to them? |
| 14:39.51 | DeepBlue | nope |
| 14:39.57 | jmd | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 14:40.29 | Belial` | DeepBlue, https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
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| 14:41.53 | DeepBlue | Belial`, i also feel that many xfce libraries are minning.how to download all of it not only the base DE ? |
| 14:42.08 | DeepBlue | missing* |
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| 14:46.30 | Walex | DeepBlue: APT takes case of "missing" packages... |
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| 14:49.59 | DeepBlue | Walex, u mean synaptic? |
| 14:50.27 | Belial` | DeepBlue, https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
| 14:50.53 | electron_ | do those debian DVD;s contain the entire repostory ! ?? |
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| 14:51.30 | Walex | DeepBlue: Synaptic or Aptitude or 'apt-get' or other APT front-ends |
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| 14:51.56 | nkuttler | electron_: if you download the entire dvd set, yes |
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| 14:52.13 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a way to make my perl scripts executable, meaning all I have to do is type the name of the script at the command line instead of having to preface it with 'perl'? Also, is there a way to turn off line wrapping when I run my perl scripts without having to use 'less'? |
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| 14:52.27 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: chmod +x and put them on your PATH |
| 14:52.37 | electron_ | nkuttler: thanks ... im planning to and put them on my HDD .. then i dont need to depend on the internet for packages |
| 14:52.57 | ZaGa | cusco: boas ;-) happy new year ;-) |
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| 14:53.20 | nkuttler | electron_: i have never done this, but it should work. but you'd need to import them somehow if you want to use a hd |
| 14:53.22 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, all my perl scripts are executable, however, I am not sure how to permanently modify the PATH. |
| 14:53.31 | nkuttler | !tell Lady_Aleena about path |
| 14:53.50 | electron_ | nkuttler: i could install them with dpkg right ? |
| 14:54.05 | nkuttler | electron_: hm, that gets tricky with dependencies |
| 14:54.28 | electron_ | oh okay ... |
| 14:54.47 | electron_ | aptget should be able to add a disk as a repo right ? |
| 14:54.50 | electron_ | ill look it up |
| 14:54.51 | nkuttler | electron_: yeah |
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| 14:55.00 | nkuttler | you'd just have to shuffle dvds around.. |
| 14:55.13 | nkuttler | electron_: i'm sure they can be imported though, just don't know how |
| 14:55.21 | electron_ | cool |
| 14:55.28 | nkuttler | i'm actually pretty sure i've done it myself years ago.. |
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| 14:57.21 | nkuttler | electron_: probably doable with apt-cacher |
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| 14:58.25 | nkuttler | electron_: yeah, it's documented in the README of apt-cacher-ng |
| 14:58.53 | electron_ | nkuttler thanks :) |
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| 15:00.16 | Lady_Aleena | I am now more confused. So many ways to set PATH, I don't know which is correct for my system. |
| 15:00.28 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: well which shell do you use? |
| 15:01.08 | Lady_Aleena | bash(?) |
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| 15:01.49 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: ls ~/.bash* |
| 15:01.54 | Lady_Aleena | echo $SHELL returns /bin/bash |
| 15:02.07 | nkuttler | yeah, it's the default user shell |
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| 15:02.52 | buser | Debian is GNOME-deafult right? |
| 15:03.00 | Lady_Aleena | I have .bash_aliases, .bash_history, .bash_logout, and .bashrc. |
| 15:03.24 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: so edit the bashrc and export the PATH var like in http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_07_02.html |
| 15:03.28 | buser | Lady_Aleena: I don't really know your problem, but creating a file that doens't exist usually works. |
| 15:03.35 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: add the path you install your perl scripts to |
| 15:04.07 | nkuttler | buser: that doesn't really help.. yes, if you install a gui that's gnome by default |
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| 15:05.00 | buser | nkuttler: I just joined the channel, and though bash_profile was missing, so I just said that. How's the options related to the install? GUI by default? |
| 15:05.22 | nkuttler | buser: in tasksel, i think it's the desktop task |
| 15:05.53 | nkuttler | buser: i think it's also selected by default, not sure about that though |
| 15:05.58 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, where "install" my perl scripts? I just write them. |
| 15:05.59 | dvs | buser: I think there's an option like "desktop=kde" for example |
| 15:06.15 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: ~/usr/local/ is a good place |
| 15:06.20 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: err... |
| 15:06.28 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: ~/local/bin |
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| 15:07.26 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: assuming it's for your user only, else /usr/local/bin/, /msg dpkg fhs for details |
| 15:07.38 | buser | dvs: I've never tried Debian, that's why I came here. I'm only familiar with Arch and Ubuntu. |
| 15:08.02 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, so add "PATH = /home/me/Documents/fantasy" |
| 15:08.13 | buser | dvs: It's hardly a more advanced setup than Arch right? |
| 15:08.33 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: sure, you can use any path you like |
| 15:08.44 | dvs | buser: I've never used Arch |
| 15:08.47 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: but that's not the right syntax, no |
| 15:09.29 | nkuttler | buser: arch is a royal pita to install |
| 15:09.59 | nkuttler | buser: debian is much easier, the installer asks you questions instead of assuming that you read the wiki and edit a dozen files by hand.. |
| 15:10.02 | buser | nkuttler: Ok, Debian is much easier? I'm thinking about a Debian-switch. Been using Arch for a year now |
| 15:10.05 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, I give up. I'll just have to write all my scripts for browsers. |
| 15:10.21 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: what's the problem? scripts for browsers? |
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| 15:10.58 | nkuttler | buser: well what can i say, i used arch for a few days and wasn't happy at all |
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| 15:11.32 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, I want ALL .pl files to be executable without having to preface them with 'perl'. And yes, I write scripts which run in browsers. |
| 15:11.43 | Lady_Aleena | My website is all perl scripts. |
| 15:11.45 | buser | nkuttler: Why? May I ask? |
| 15:11.56 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: 1. put all those files into one directory. chmod +x them. add that directory to your PATH, see http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_07_02.html |
| 15:12.44 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, there's no *.pl? |
| 15:12.58 | nkuttler | buser: packages i need don't exist, have to be installed from some non-core repository, are built with wrong options, etc. not to mention the painful install |
| 15:13.03 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: what do you mean? |
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| 15:13.13 | Lady_Aleena | PATH = *.pl |
| 15:13.22 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: no, PATH is for locations, not filenames |
| 15:13.27 | Lady_Aleena | And .pl file anywhere. |
| 15:13.37 | Lady_Aleena | s/And/Any/; |
| 15:13.39 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: your shell indedex the directories in your PATH and searches them when you enter commands |
| 15:13.48 | nkuttler | indexes |
| 15:14.26 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: i guess you could add cwd to the PATH but that's a terrible idea |
| 15:14.33 | buser | nkuttler: I'm really interested in a Debianers (or whatever you guys call yourself) take, would you tell me what kind of packages? |
| 15:14.36 | Lady_Aleena | I have .pl files I've written in /home/me/Documents/fantasy/* |
| 15:14.37 | nkuttler | and not help anyway.. |
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| 15:14.49 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: 1. put all those files into one directory. chmod +x them. add that directory to your PATH, see http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_07_02.html |
| 15:15.00 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, as I said, I give up since that link is written OVER my head. |
| 15:15.08 | jelly-home | nkuttler: you're repeating yourself! |
| 15:15.10 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: which part don't you understand? |
| 15:15.18 | nkuttler | jelly-home: fighting fire with fire |
| 15:15.23 | jelly-home | \o/ |
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| 15:15.47 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, how to make ALL .pl files executable no matter where they are in my file system. |
| 15:16.08 | nkuttler | ok |
| 15:16.39 | wols | Lady_Aleena: not possible |
| 15:16.53 | wols | oh, a find command. |
| 15:16.56 | nkuttler | hush |
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| 15:17.23 | Lady_Aleena | So, if I have a .pl file in /home/me/Documents/fantasy/ it will run without prefacing it with 'perl', if I have a .pl file in /home/me/Documents/home it will run without prefacing it with 'perl'. |
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| 15:17.47 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: yes, you can add more than one directory to your PATH |
| 15:18.04 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, that means adding dozens of directories! |
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| 15:18.17 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: well if that's how you organize your scripts.. |
| 15:18.27 | dvs | Lady_Aleena: So you want to add "#!/bin/perl" at the beginning of your perl files? |
| 15:18.35 | Lady_Aleena | dvs, done. |
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| 15:19.48 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: and like wols suggested you can also use a find command to add dirs.. but you should figure out the easy way first |
| 15:19.55 | Lady_Aleena | Hopefully, it is "#!/usr/bin/perl" |
| 15:20.00 | sephii | hey there, I'm having trouble with my debian testing install: I'm using KDE as a DE and when I'm mounting a USB stick from the device manager, I can't write to it. Looking at the mount options, there's no user=xxx nor group=xxx, although on another computer (where it works), these options are set. Any hint? |
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| 15:20.41 | DeepBlue | i got this"Media change: please insert the disc labeled |
| 15:20.41 | DeepBlue | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.41 | DeepBlue | in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter'how 2o solve this? |
| 15:21.09 | nkuttler | DeepBlue: insert the cd and press enter? or remove the cdrom from your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:21.17 | dvs | DeepBlue: Comment out the cdrom lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 15:21.27 | DeepBlue | ok,thanx |
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| 15:27.26 | jdoles | Why does Debian package projects which refer to some website for documentation? |
| 15:27.27 | MO_Handes | after upgrading to jessie, power button does not suspend my laptop, it just blanks screen, it has been set to suspend in tweak-tool but does not work, any solution? |
| 15:27.50 | MO_Handes | seems to be discussed here but there's no answer http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/bug-720704-gnome-settings-daemon-does-not-suspend-when-power-button-pressed-help-212244132.html |
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| 15:28.52 | abrotman | jdoles: need more info .. |
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| 15:29.05 | jdoles | abrotman: xmlstarlet |
| 15:29.09 | jdoles | abrotman: man xmlstarlet |
| 15:29.21 | jdoles | abrotman: try to figure out what the -N option does without a webbrower. |
| 15:29.26 | jdoles | abrotman: webbrowser* |
| 15:29.32 | abrotman | jdoles: use w3m or links? |
| 15:29.52 | jdoles | abrotman: I would have said to whoever wanted the package in Debian to first write documentation and to go **** *******. |
| 15:29.59 | jdoles | abrotman: those are also webbrowsers. |
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| 15:30.26 | abrotman | jdoles: you're welcome to submit a patch to resolve your issue |
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| 15:30.49 | tremon | MO_Handes: please don't link to generation-nt.com. It's nothing but a leech. The real url is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=720704 which does give some pointers |
| 15:31.00 | koell | how to get this terminal? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9POlABMMQF8 |
| 15:31.13 | jdoles | abrotman: I think for a developer having a package packaged means visibility (and is therefor valuable) at this time. So, there is leverage to make quality demands. |
| 15:31.30 | abrotman | jdoles: or it's the upstream man page |
| 15:31.37 | jdoles | abrotman: it is the upstream man page. |
| 15:31.58 | jdoles | abrotman: there should just be a policy: "if you don't have a manpage, you don't get in". |
| 15:33.09 | abrotman | it does have a man page |
| 15:33.28 | MO_Handes | how to set a package to automatically installed using apt-get? |
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| 15:34.28 | abrotman | MO_Handes: markauto |
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| 15:36.08 | abrotman | jdoles: btw, did you look in /usr/share/doc/xmlstarlet/ for additional docs? |
| 15:36.36 | touil76 | Hello everyone. I have a problem on my debian 7. When I start the computer, I get a message saying "Could not update ICEauthority file /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority" |
| 15:36.40 | touil76 | Anyone can help ? |
| 15:37.03 | abrotman | touil76: remove the file, try again ? |
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| 15:38.55 | jdoles | abrotman: I did now and indeed there is some useful stuff there. That being said, I still consider not having a fully documented manpage to be a bug. |
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| 15:40.33 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, I went and did some searching on a Windows computer, and I am looking for something like PATHEXT which is a list of file extensions which are executable. |
| 15:41.13 | touil76 | abrotman: I just tried that and rebooted, still got the same problem. |
| 15:41.17 | touil76 | Any other idea ? |
| 15:41.57 | wols | Lady_Aleena: linux doesn't work this way |
| 15:42.25 | tremon | jdoles: "fully documented" is up for discussion. However, see policy 12.1: "If no manual page is available, this is considered as a bug and should be reported" |
| 15:43.15 | Lady_Aleena | PATHEXT looks something like: PATHEXT=.exe;.bat;.cmd;.pl |
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| 15:44.51 | dvs | Lady_Aleena: There are two things that need to be done to a script file to make it executable: 1) put #!/usr/bin/xxxx as the first line of the script file and 2) make sure the executable bit is set (e.g. chmod +x file) |
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| 15:45.29 | Lady_Aleena | dvs, all my scripts are 755. |
| 15:45.55 | abrotman | jdoles: file a minor bug then. They may resolve it |
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| 15:46.24 | dvs | jdoles: And state the policy mentioned above |
| 15:46.30 | slopjong | what module must i load to access the cpu temperature? => /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp: No such file or directory |
| 15:46.30 | Lady_Aleena | And I normally put "#!/usr/bin/perl" at the top of my scripts. |
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| 15:47.15 | slopjong | i'm using debian 7.3 |
| 15:47.31 | apm1 | is setting up a repo of upstream vanila kernels built against stable |
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| 15:48.29 | abrotman | apm1: you're aware of backports, right? |
| 15:49.02 | apm1 | abrotman, yes and i believe its too slow for my use case |
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| 15:49.27 | abrotman | apm1: you're aware of the kernel repository? |
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| 15:50.03 | apm1 | abrotman, ummmm there is one ? |
| 15:50.26 | abrotman | apm1: they have a repo somewhere if I can remeber the factoid |
| 15:50.52 | apm1 | all i read abt was apt-pinning the kernel packages from sid abrotman |
| 15:51.33 | apm1 | from what the wiki discribes that is how you get the latest kernel on stable |
| 15:51.57 | dvs | what wiki? |
| 15:52.03 | apm1 | debian wiki |
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| 15:52.19 | abrotman | ew, no |
| 15:52.29 | dvs | what link? |
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| 15:53.28 | apm1 | and why doesn't the kernel handbook mention it then ? |
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| 15:53.55 | dvs | apm1: Because it's NOT the recommended way to get a new kernel |
| 15:54.26 | apm1 | dvs, the apt-pinning or this kernel-repo abrotman mentions ? |
| 15:54.41 | apm1 | the apt-pinning solution is a clusterfuck i understand |
| 15:54.44 | wols | apm1: I doubt the debian wiki tells you to apt-pin the kernel from sid |
| 15:54.55 | dvs | apm1: What kernel repo? |
| 15:54.56 | apm1 | it does |
| 15:55.04 | wols | apm1: link? |
| 15:55.10 | apm1 | dvs, abrotman says there is one |
| 15:55.23 | apm1 | wols, let me find the page |
| 15:55.32 | wols | ,depends initramfs-tools |
| 15:55.33 | judd | Package initramfs-tools in wheezy/i386 -- depends: klibc-utils (>= 2.0-1~), cpio, kmod | module-init-tools, udev. |
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| 15:57.23 | apm1 | wols, https://wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel |
| 15:57.39 | sweb | how can i have variable in bash unixtime - 84600 ? |
| 15:57.48 | sweb | $((date +%s)-1000) give me error |
| 15:57.59 | sweb | $((date +%s)-84600) * |
| 15:58.20 | apm1 | wols, and that describes apt-pining from experimental even :p much worse mate , look at the example :p |
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| 16:00.50 | wols | apm1: you fail the reading test |
| 16:01.18 | wols | "for DebianStable, use StableProposedUpdates or Backports;" "for DebianUnstable and DebianExperimental, use something like: " |
| 16:01.29 | wols | so if you run stable, use backports, if you run sid, use experimental |
| 16:01.35 | wols | which is perfectly fine |
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| 16:02.17 | apm1 | wols, yes it is , except when you need the newest/latest one on stable |
| 16:02.34 | wols | which this article doesn't tell you one way or the other |
| 16:02.45 | apm1 | that is my problem |
| 16:02.54 | apm1 | and hence i'll be the solution |
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| 16:03.12 | apm1 | nobody builds for stable even nobody 3rd party |
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| 16:06.04 | Waxhead | as far as I know the technical committee will have a vote for what init system will be used in debian. When can one expect an announced result e.g. is there a deadline for this decision!? |
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| 16:06.45 | wols | apm1: debian backports does, and there is a newer kernel there too |
| 16:07.03 | apm1 | wols, umm not the latest |
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| 16:07.07 | ompaul | Waxhead: the correct answer is, when they are ready and maybe before the freeze for Jessie, but that remains to be seen. |
| 16:07.09 | apm1 | i checked bro |
| 16:07.17 | apm1 | its a patch behind |
| 16:07.20 | wols | apm1: what do you NEED the latest for? |
| 16:07.35 | apm1 | wols, for the itch |
| 16:07.49 | apm1 | grins at wols |
| 16:07.51 | wols | and, you have SNS |
| 16:08.32 | Waxhead | ompaul: Ah ok , I heard rumors that the vote would be this month but it seems that those rumors was wrong :) |
| 16:08.32 | apm1 | wols, i don't |
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| 16:08.55 | trewas | Waxhead: there is no deadline, but they will announce some kind of decision soon (probably this month) |
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| 16:09.03 | wols | < wols> apm1: what do you NEED the latest for? < apm1> wols, for the itch * apm1 grins at wols <- this is a textbook case of it |
| 16:09.17 | Waxhead | trewas: ok thanks! |
| 16:09.29 | ompaul | Waxhead: maybe they do, maybe they don't but fact is as above :) |
| 16:09.30 | apm1 | shrugs |
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| 16:10.37 | Waxhead | ompaul: I guess. Let's just hope they pick the best thing. |
| 16:10.51 | ompaul | Waxhead: for debian :) |
| 16:11.13 | trewas | I think the current problem in ctte is that everybody realises that systemd is the answer but majority has already voiced their support for upstart |
| 16:11.17 | Waxhead | ompaul: for debain for sure.... ps! any idea what is likely to "win" ? |
| 16:11.33 | ompaul | the one they choose |
| 16:11.37 | geggam | sysvinit or death ! |
| 16:11.39 | Waxhead | trewas: thanks for answering.... |
| 16:12.12 | ompaul | I do not think that random chatter on an irc tech support channel will influence this decision in any way. |
| 16:12.13 | Waxhead | I also noticed on a update today that there was a dependency for sysv-init | upstart on a package upgrade.... *shrug* |
| 16:12.35 | Waxhead | I personally dislike upstart, however I am not too keep on systemd either but it seems like the right(est) one. |
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| 16:12.39 | geggam | im not worried about it... i plan to end my 14 year debian admin career very soon anyway... going back to slack |
| 16:12.47 | geggam | too much ubuntu |
| 16:12.55 | Lady_Aleena | I got it almost, I added PATH=$PATH:." to get almost what I want. |
| 16:12.56 | apm1 | geggam, heh :p |
| 16:13.32 | Waxhead | geggam: that is my fear as well... debian != ubuntu and ubuntu is based off debian. However it seems like if upstarts get some ground then debian will be based off ubuntu. that is not good! |
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| 16:13.53 | geggam | all init sucks... so the simplest suck is the best IMHO |
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| 16:14.10 | apm1 | well upstart or sytemd whatever the DDs agree on , i am staying |
| 16:14.10 | geggam | but like was mentioned.. IRC likely wont decide this |
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| 16:14.23 | apm1 | never has |
| 16:14.33 | geggam | it used to |
| 16:14.33 | Waxhead | Why are even ubuntu people allowed to VOTE on such a thing? it is just plain stupid. |
| 16:14.53 | ompaul | Waxhead: because these people have two communities they dev within |
| 16:15.02 | apm1 | maybe cause a few DDs are ubuntu people too ? |
| 16:15.07 | apm1 | what ompaul said |
| 16:15.09 | geggam | yep... debian and ubuntu are getting closer together |
| 16:15.19 | ompaul | Waxhead: if you care become a DD and use your vote can we now leave the whole thing aside please |
| 16:15.57 | Waxhead | hehe perhaps |
| 16:16.06 | Deeps | Lady_Aleena: http://www.seas.upenn.edu/cets/answers/dot-path.html |
| 16:16.37 | Deeps | Lady_Aleena: http://superuser.com/questions/350844/how-to-permanently-add-current-directory-to-path-in-linux |
| 16:16.45 | trewas | ompaul: DDs have no say in the current init discussion either, it's just select few in ctte :) |
| 16:17.09 | ompaul | trewas: well if they care they can care more would be my version of how to put it |
| 16:17.15 | Deeps | does this mean we'll get enough disillusioned debianers to fork and create a new pure debian? |
| 16:17.28 | geggam | it really makes me sad to see this happen to debian |
| 16:17.33 | abrotman | apm1: there is, though I can't recall where |
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| 16:17.43 | ompaul | Deeps: go ahead, please file your request with freenode to set up your channel the command you want now is /part |
| 16:17.52 | Deeps | ompaul: im not one of them |
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| 16:18.18 | ompaul | it is offtopic I really can't stress that any more :) |
| 16:18.19 | Deeps | i have no issue with upstart / systemd / the rest of this, it does feel like i see this same discussion happening every other day in here now though |
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| 16:18.50 | geggam | discussing debian is offtopic in debian ompaul ? or the discussion about debian is maknig you uncomfortable ? |
| 16:19.09 | apm1 | there is a debian policy chan on oftc ? |
| 16:19.11 | Lady_Aleena | Deeps, I understand the risks, but I am trying to cut down on what I have to type at the command line when I want to run my scripts in a terminal. |
| 16:19.46 | apm1 | geggam, easy there pal them ops are not that tolerant here |
| 16:19.53 | geggam | so > |
| 16:19.54 | geggam | ? |
| 16:20.17 | apm1 | so its a cue to stop |
| 16:20.25 | geggam | meh... when i want to |
| 16:20.36 | geggam | its irc... not a gun to my head |
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| 16:21.05 | apm1 | just saying .....there could be a ban to your host though XD |
| 16:21.21 | geggam | heh... yeah... all of EC2 would be involved in that ban ;) |
| 16:21.24 | geggam | and rackspace |
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| 16:21.39 | geggam | maybe tor |
| 16:22.04 | Deeps | and just like that we've gone from tears to threats of ban evasion |
| 16:22.20 | stew | can we all just please drop it |
| 16:22.29 | d3rp | Drop what? |
| 16:22.34 | geggam | debian brings passion :) |
| 16:22.45 | stew | all the off topic discussions and stick with end-user support |
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| 16:24.01 | geggam | how is discussing the future of debian offtopic ? |
| 16:24.02 | koell | hot to get tmux dropdown terminal? |
| 16:24.03 | stew | Lady_Aleena: the risks there are pretty great, realize |
| 16:24.16 | abrotman | geggam: this is a support channel |
| 16:24.23 | stew | koell: its not, talking about who might or not get banned and what that mean is rather silly though |
| 16:24.36 | Lady_Aleena | stew, I'm trying to get back to what I am used to in Windows. |
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| 16:24.47 | geggam | so lets talk about what init system we are supporting ? |
| 16:24.51 | stew | Lady_Aleena: like if you ever cd to /tmp, then you give anyone else on the machine your account |
| 16:25.06 | abrotman | geggam: Do you need help with your current Debian installation? |
| 16:25.18 | geggam | do you need help with that cob in your ass ? |
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| 16:25.55 | Lady_Aleena | stew, I told hubby my password, and he said he'd never remember it. So, he'll never be using my computer. |
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| 16:26.52 | tremon | Lady_Aleena: the only way to get back to what you're used to in windows is to use windows. Sure, you can modify debian to look like windows, but long-term you won't be happy |
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| 16:28.34 | Lady_Aleena | tremon, I was told Debian was highly configurable so I can do what I want the way I want. |
| 16:28.57 | tremon | I wrote nothing at odd with that |
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| 16:29.17 | geggam | sup abrotman |
| 16:29.19 | geggam | dick |
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| 16:29.43 | Lady_Aleena | tremon, I prefer to just type "filename.pl" at the command line. |
| 16:30.20 | tremon | so, add ~/bin to your path and put filename.pl inside ~/bin |
| 16:31.08 | Lady_Aleena | tremon, I need to keep my current file structure as it is. |
| 16:31.31 | tremon | btw, have you tried typing "filename.pl" at a windows command prompt and seeing what result you get? |
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| 16:31.49 | Lady_Aleena | I have /fantasy/index.pl, /fantasy/People/index.pl, /fantasy/Opinions/index.pl, etc. |
| 16:32.23 | tremon | what's wrong with adding $path_to_filename to your $PATH? |
| 16:32.37 | Lady_Aleena | tremon, I have dozens of paths. |
| 16:33.07 | Lady_Aleena | My /fantasy/ directory and all of its subdirectories would have to be added. |
| 16:33.15 | tremon | hmm. how does windows handle that case? |
| 16:33.23 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: l |
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| 16:33.35 | Lady_Aleena | tremon, fine, since PATHEXT just does file extensions, not paths. |
| 16:33.41 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: What about creating aliases for the paths? |
| 16:33.52 | frostschutz | if you put fantasy in your path you're gonna have a bad time |
| 16:33.54 | Lady_Aleena | Huh? |
| 16:34.10 | Lady_Aleena | frostschutz, I was truncating. |
| 16:34.37 | tremon | Lady_Aleena: I don't get it. what are you now typing at the windows command prompt, and which of it doesn't work in debian? |
| 16:34.48 | frostschutz | I still don't understand what's wrong with cd fantasy ; ./something. Windows is no different |
| 16:35.03 | tremon | the / is in the wrong direction, I guess |
| 16:35.34 | Deeps | frostschutz: windows doesn't require the "./" prefix, which is arguably a usability feature / security flaw |
| 16:35.58 | Lady_Aleena | tremon, I am used to typing "filename.pl" bare at the command prompt in Windows, since .pl files are all executable in Windows after I added the .pl extension to the PATHEXT list. |
| 16:36.02 | frostschutz | Deeps, you still have to cd to the path first, and if you wanted that behaviour, you could probably put . in the path |
| 16:36.08 | tremon | Lady_Aleena: if you mean you want to be able to type "filename" instead of "filename.pl", you tried simply mv filename.pl filename? |
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| 16:36.39 | Lady_Aleena | I'm fine with PATH=PATH:." |
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| 16:37.03 | tremon | ok, then use that. You have been told about the security risks that involves |
| 16:37.13 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: What about creating aliases for the scripts? |
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| 16:39.46 | jhutchins | dondelelcaro: dpkg seems to have fallen asleep. |
| 16:40.04 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, 100s of scripts? |
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| 16:40.17 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: Sure, no reason not to. |
| 16:40.22 | Lady_Aleena | ACK! |
| 16:40.25 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: You have to keep track of htem somehow. |
| 16:40.39 | Lady_Aleena | Yes, with sitemap.pl |
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| 16:40.55 | Lady_Aleena | Which I run in my browser |
| 16:42.04 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: Can you run them from the browser? |
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| 16:42.50 | Lady_Aleena | Most of them after built specifically to be run in a browser, but when something goes wrong, I need to be able to quickly run them at the command line to find out what went wrong. |
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| 16:48.31 | krababbel | I have a problem with lighttpd and php5. phpinfo() works for example, but I cannot use the DateTime system class. I cannot see any errors, even though error_reporting = E_ALL is in /etc/php5/conf.d/90-my.ini. |
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| 16:50.57 | fergal32 | waves hello |
| 16:51.24 | fergal32 | i installed debian wheezy on a new sony vaio pro laptop |
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| 16:51.56 | fergal32 | everything works but i can´t get my intel video card working with x and hardware accelleration |
| 16:52.14 | apm1 | fergal32, need newer kernel pal |
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| 16:52.30 | dbast | fergal32, try a kernel from backports |
| 16:52.31 | apm1 | fergal32, check backports repo |
| 16:52.37 | apm1 | ^^ |
| 16:52.44 | fergal32 | DHD: i did compile 3.12.6 myself to get wireless etc. working |
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| 16:58.50 | jhutchins | fergal32: Determine your chipset, including the eight character PCIID, and search X.org to find out what the status of the driver is. |
| 16:59.29 | jhutchins | fergal32: While people tend to think of kernel drivers first, these days, Kernel Mode Switching uses a kernel driver but the xorg driver is not part of the kernel. |
| 17:00.13 | wols | jhutchins: new vaio = haswell most probably |
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| 17:05.58 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, here is a list of all my scripts: http://paste.debian.net/74413/ which you suggested aliasing. It would be a monumental task, and more could be added as soon as I find a text editor I like. |
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| 17:06.50 | fergal32 | jhutchins: thx trying it out |
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| 17:07.06 | fergal32 | wols: yes, haswell |
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| 17:08.16 | no_gravity | Good Evening! |
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| 17:08.35 | no_gravity | Im looking into my apache logs at /var/log/apache2/ ... it looks like all the logfiles get renamed all the time? because access.log is the youngest, access.log.1 the second youngest, access.log.3 the third youngest etc. can that be true? do they all get renamed all the time?? |
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| 17:09.51 | fergal32 | jhutchins: any good info on dkms? i looked for it already |
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| 17:10.03 | dbast | no_gravity, man logrotate |
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| 17:11.16 | no_gravity | dbast: maybe the answer is somewhere in there.. but i didnt find it yet. |
| 17:11.36 | abrotman | fergal32: /msg dpkg dkms |
| 17:11.46 | no_gravity | dbast: i wonder why apache is using logrotate and not simply writes to /var/log/access_<date>.log |
| 17:11.54 | no_gravity | dbast: that would be much easier to understand. |
| 17:11.57 | abrotman | no_gravity: yes, they do |
| 17:12.08 | abrotman | no_gravity: you can change that filename format |
| 17:12.22 | pjotter | Hi everybody. I have been using Ubuntu/Xubuntu for a couple of years now and was thinking of using Debian xfce instead. I have installed Debian 7.2 XFCE in Virtualbox to see it in action. But I have a few questions about it. |
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| 17:12.38 | no_gravity | abrotman: what does "yes, they do" refer to? to the question if they get renamed all the time? |
| 17:12.56 | abrotman | yes |
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| 17:13.06 | abrotman | pjotter: ask away |
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| 17:13.30 | pjotter | When I install Debian, I see there is no software-center installed. Is this correct? |
| 17:13.45 | abrotman | pjotter: it's available, but yes, probably nto there |
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| 17:14.38 | pjotter | I managed to install it manually via the terminal and I noticed that I firts had to switch to root user to do this. This is one diffeence with Ubuntu. |
| 17:14.59 | abrotman | pjotter: it sohuld ask you for the root password when it needs to do an operation |
| 17:15.08 | jhutchins | !dkms |
| 17:15.08 | dpkg | Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux kernel headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file is at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log |
| 17:15.18 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jhutchins about bottell |
| 17:15.28 | abrotman | even though I already told the guy to msg the bot to get the same info ... |
| 17:15.35 | pjotter | I couldn't perform the action because my normal user wasn't in the sudoers file. |
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| 17:15.54 | abrotman | pjotter: that's easy enough to configure |
| 17:16.01 | pjotter | But I guess in Debian, one would have to simply perform "su -" to do this? |
| 17:16.07 | phogg | abrotman: /msg spamming again? |
| 17:16.12 | stew | pjotter: setting up sudo like ubuntu is an option during the install, you can always configure this after the fact of course |
| 17:16.17 | abrotman | phogg: yes |
| 17:16.37 | phogg | he was at it yesterday as well, hope it's a long ban |
| 17:16.56 | pjotter | stew: I don't remeber seeing this option. Maybe I missed it? Maybe I should try again. |
| 17:16.57 | abrotman | phogg: he'll change IPs and be back in an hour |
| 17:17.38 | stew | pjotter: probably not worth repeating the install, just configure /etc/sudoers now |
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| 17:18.17 | pjotter | Anther thing I wanted to ask is this: as root I don't seem to have bash-completion for apt-get. Is this correct and how can I get bash completion for apt-get for the root user? |
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| 17:19.20 | abrotman | pjotter: is it enabled for a normal user? |
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| 17:19.46 | stew | is the bash-completion package installed? |
| 17:20.24 | pjotter | Yes, but the normal user doesn't have rights to install/uninstall software. At teh moent, only root can do that. But root doesn't have this bash completion for apt-get |
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| 17:20.38 | pjotter | stew: yes. I even tried reinstalling it. |
| 17:20.53 | abrotman | thought for some reason, root didn't source the bash_completion things |
| 17:22.14 | ompaul | apt-cache does not attract tabbing but apt-get install does |
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| 17:26.54 | pjotter | For instance: As root, when I type: "apt-get install a<tab>" nothing happens. |
| 17:27.29 | apm1 | is building the package now against stable |
| 17:28.02 | apm1 | just ran "make deb-pkg" |
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| 17:28.59 | no_gravity | ok, so it looks like apache is always writing to access.log and logrotate is some demon doing crazy stuff with it. |
| 17:29.05 | mojzesz | hi all |
| 17:29.24 | abrotman | no_gravity: I told you, you can change the log file format |
| 17:29.27 | pjotter | For some reason it works now (just restarted) |
| 17:29.29 | abrotman | erm.. log filename format |
| 17:29.49 | no_gravity | abrotman: you mean in apache or in logrotate? |
| 17:29.56 | mojzesz | i have question about debian 7 with kde and autologin for root with system startup |
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| 17:30.05 | mojzesz | how i can make it |
| 17:31.14 | abrotman | no_gravity: in apache |
| 17:31.23 | abrotman | mojzesz: you don't want to do that |
| 17:32.05 | mojzesz | abrotman it's temporary later i will change it to previous settimgs |
| 17:32.17 | no_gravity | abrotman: apache can write to access_<date>.log on its own? |
| 17:32.55 | abrotman | no_gravity: 94.6267% sure |
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| 17:34.41 | no_gravity | abrotman: i do not see that option here: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/logs.html |
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| 17:35.43 | abrotman | no_gravity: looking, moment |
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| 17:36.37 | no_gravity | abrotman: it could work by using a pipe instead of a file |
| 17:36.48 | no_gravity | abrotman: CustomLog "|bin/rotatelogs -l /var/logs/logfile.%Y.%m.%d 86400" common |
| 17:37.06 | no_gravity | abrotman: but the docs sound like thats rather experimental. |
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| 17:38.20 | abrotman | no_gravity: well, up to you if you wan tto try it |
| 17:39.21 | no_gravity | abrotman: will probably try it. because the debian default setup is a big clusterfuck. |
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| 17:40.16 | abrotman | it's not really .. it's pretty normal |
| 17:41.09 | no_gravity | abrotman: might be normal. still crazy to rename all the logfiles all the time. |
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| 17:41.42 | abrotman | no_gravity: only takes a moment |
| 17:41.49 | abrotman | literally |
| 17:41.59 | no_gravity | abrotman: the problem is not performance. |
| 17:42.14 | no_gravity | abrotman: the problem is that you cannot copy them to another machine. |
| 17:42.30 | no_gravity | abrotman: what is access.log.1 today is access.log.2 next week. |
| 17:42.56 | no_gravity | abrotman: so simply copying them would overwrite some old files. |
| 17:43.05 | tremon | !enter |
| 17:43.05 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 17:43.07 | abrotman | no_gravity: would using rsyslog be a better idea? |
| 17:43.22 | no_gravity | abrotman: i dont know rsyslog. |
| 17:44.02 | no_gravity | abrotman: its probably possible to configure logrotate to give the logs reasonable names. im just not sure yet if thats the way to go or to go the pipe to rotatelogs way. |
| 17:44.04 | abrotman | no_gravity: think of it as a central log repository for many systems, it names file uniquely so you don't have to manage that stuff |
| 17:44.06 | xand | don't forget the horrible timestamp format in the logs |
| 17:44.29 | abrotman | xand: I never understood why apache logs don't use the epoch time .. |
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| 17:44.43 | jordanm | no_gravity: you can configure logrotate to use a date for the filename instead of an incrementing number |
| 17:44.49 | no_gravity | i would prefer YYYY-MM-DD |
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| 17:45.00 | jordanm | no_gravity: see datext and dateformat in the manpage |
| 17:45.00 | xand | abrotman: at least apache logs have the year! |
| 17:45.02 | no_gravity | jordanm: yeah. that would make it a tad better. |
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| 17:45.15 | abrotman | no_gravity: you'd also have to change logrotate to rotate at 0000 instead of 0500 or whatever it is currently |
| 17:45.30 | xand | mine are like this |
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| 17:45.31 | xand | 2014-01-05T17:45:13.610510+00:00 kronos sshd[5619]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user xand by (uid=0) |
| 17:45.34 | xand | (syslog ones) |
| 17:45.38 | no_gravity | abrotman: yeah, true. |
| 17:45.48 | xand | not the most readable but it's sortable |
| 17:45.55 | no_gravity | abrotman: plus logrotate RESTARTS apache when it rotates... how crazy is that... |
| 17:46.16 | jordanm | no_gravity: no, it doesn't |
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| 17:46.33 | jordanm | no_gravity: it "reloads" via sighup |
| 17:46.46 | no_gravity | jordanm: whats that? |
| 17:47.01 | xand | no_gravity: it has to do that to release the file handle, but it's not a full restart |
| 17:47.03 | jordanm | no_gravity: it's a signal that tells apache to reload configs and reopen log files |
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| 17:47.34 | no_gravity | jordanm: oh, that sounds better. |
| 17:47.35 | jordanm | you can use copytruncate instead, which doesn't require a restart but there is risk of losing a line |
| 17:47.43 | jordanm | s/restart/reload/ |
| 17:47.53 | abrotman | man 7 signal |
| 17:48.15 | no_gravity | jordanm: is that this part of the logrotate config? postrotate if [ -f "`. /etc/apache2/envvars ; echo ${APACHE_PID_FILE:-/var/run/apache2.pid}`" ]; then /etc/init.d/apache2 reload > /dev/null; fi endscript |
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| 17:49.00 | no_gravity | since i have been running it like this for months now and no problems, i tend to reconfigure logrotate instead of switching to rotatelogs. |
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| 17:50.31 | jordanm | no_gravity: sorry, looks like I was mistaken, SIGHUP is a restart, SIGUSR1 is a graceful reload. reload sends SIGUSR1 |
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| 17:51.54 | mojzesz | ok problem with permissions solved but i don't know how i can install unreal tournament on debian |
| 17:52.10 | mojzesz | knows anyone how i can do it? |
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| 17:54.56 | jordanm | !tell mojzesz about wine |
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| 17:56.36 | mojzesz | i don't want wine but native version for linuks |
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| 17:58.29 | mtn | mojzesz: is there a version for linux? |
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| 17:59.23 | jordanm | looks like there is an open source remake, but I don't think the original has a linux port |
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| 17:59.33 | blawiz | why isnt apt-cache search X sorted alphabeticaly? :S |
| 17:59.56 | petern_ | because piping through sort is easy enough |
| 18:00.24 | blawiz | not its not |
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| 18:00.32 | mojzesz | i'm not sure that is linux version |
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| 18:03.24 | iceroot | what is the salt used for user-passwords? i have two different users with the same password but different hashes in /etc/shadow |
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| 18:05.09 | jordanm | iceroot: the hashes will never be the same because they are salted |
| 18:05.22 | iceroot | jordanm: yes |
| 18:05.27 | iceroot | jordanm: read my question :) |
| 18:06.18 | jordanm | iceroot: the salt is in the shadow line |
| 18:06.48 | spearhead | iceroot: the salt is part of the encryption process, I am not sure exactly how debian does it but a pretty simple way is to encrypt the password then re-encrypt the encrypted password with the salt appended then compare to the stored hash |
| 18:07.07 | jordanm | iceroot: $id$salt$hashed |
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| 18:07.21 | spearhead | iceroot: it just adds a layer of complexity so it is harder to hack. |
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| 18:07.33 | iceroot | jordanm: spearhead thank you |
| 18:07.50 | iceroot | i was not awar of that the salt is stored in the line itself |
| 18:09.09 | iceroot | but that means if someone has access to my /etc/shadow he sees the hash itself and the salt (and then only need some 100(00) years to calculate all passwords and see if my hash is in his new rainbow table |
| 18:09.23 | iceroot | and if he has write access... its much easier for him :) |
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| 18:10.28 | rozie | iceroot: if some has write access to your shadow... well. |
| 18:10.41 | spearhead | that is pretty much correct. if he has access to the system it is pretty easy to crack the passwords but if he doesn't then it is pretty much impossible |
| 18:11.42 | jordanm | iceroot: salt values are never secret |
| 18:12.04 | iceroot | jordanm: i just thought they will be stored somewhere else |
| 18:12.17 | iceroot | jordanm: so if someone has my shadow, he does not have my sault |
| 18:12.38 | iceroot | i think on databases that is used, the password and salt are not stored in the same field/table |
| 18:13.00 | iceroot | but ok, no problem, i have encrpyted / so i should be safe against live-cds |
| 18:13.04 | spearhead | in windows they are... in a separate file in the same folder so it doesn't make much difference |
| 18:13.30 | spearhead | in the databases I have seen they are... |
| 18:13.41 | spearhead | separate fields in the same table |
| 18:13.44 | jordanm | http://xkcd.com/538/ |
| 18:14.15 | jordanm | spearhead: that's the typical way, but there is no real standard. it's however the programming feels like implementing it |
| 18:14.19 | iceroot | jordanm: nice one :) |
| 18:14.27 | spearhead | that made me lol |
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| 18:30.12 | KM0201 | is there a way to install w/ the mini iso on a headless system |
| 18:30.13 | KM0201 | ? |
| 18:30.31 | KM0201 | i've found instructions for the netinst ISO.. (haven't tried them yet).. but i don't need a GUI on the system.. |
| 18:31.08 | KM0201 | unless there's a way to install no GUI on the netinstall cd.. (but it seems to always install a GUi when I've tried it before) |
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| 18:31.53 | mtn | KM0201: yes, easy to not have a gui with the netinstall |
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| 18:31.56 | CissWit | i ve always installed without any gui |
| 18:32.08 | KM0201 | hmm, i wonder what i'm doing wrong then.. it always installs gnome |
| 18:32.29 | mtn | KM0201: uncheck the box for it when the options box comes up. |
| 18:32.40 | KM0201 | hmm, i thought i did. |
| 18:32.47 | KM0201 | lemme take a look at it again... |
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| 18:33.19 | mtn | KM0201: I have been told that works, I always use a gui :) |
| 18:33.25 | KM0201 | .. |
| 18:33.31 | KM0201 | pretty sure it doesn't. |
| 18:33.43 | KM0201 | but i'll see if i somehow missed it |
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| 18:35.19 | dvs | KM0201: Uncheck the "Desktop Environment" option when it comes up. |
| 18:35.25 | KM0201 | ok. |
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| 18:35.59 | KM0201 | assuming that works, i've read some folks having luck using the netinst for a headless install. |
| 18:36.08 | KM0201 | so that will be the next task to tackle |
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| 18:36.35 | KM0201 | anyone ever done that? |
| 18:37.21 | dvs | !fai |
| 18:37.21 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Oracle Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:39.18 | KM0201 | well, if i understand FAI correctly.. you can use FAI to install Centos.. but i've not saw where it works to install Debian |
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| 18:40.23 | forcer | KM0201: The frontpage of that website, under "Features", says "Installs and updates Debian, Ubuntu, CentOS, RHEL, SUSE, ..." |
| 18:40.57 | KM0201 | ok, i'm looking and i only see centos and Scientific homepage |
| 18:41.04 | KM0201 | oh wait, now i see it |
| 18:41.05 | KM0201 | sorry |
| 18:41.14 | forcer | ;-) |
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| 18:51.04 | KM0201 | hmm, fai looksl ike it might have potential for what i'm trying to do. |
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| 18:51.22 | KM0201 | but it looks like a gigantic pain in the ass |
| 18:51.49 | KM0201 | it might be worth going to a pawn shop and getting a cheap LCD for 20-25 bucks. |
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| 18:52.37 | zinx | you can get a CRT for $5 or less |
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| 18:52.45 | KM0201 | yeah, but they are humongous. |
| 18:52.45 | zinx | no one will take them |
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| 18:54.31 | KM0201 | hmm |
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| 19:05.19 | nacer | hi |
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| 19:06.58 | nacer | plz how to configure apt-fast to use axel instead aria2 ? |
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| 19:09.02 | abrotman | nacer: what is apt-fast ? |
| 19:09.32 | nacer | a script to speed up the download speed |
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| 19:10.35 | nacer | abatoo, https://github.com/ilikenwf/apt-fast |
| 19:10.44 | nacer | abrotman, https://github.com/ilikenwf/apt-fast |
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| 19:13.19 | abrotman | nacer: ask them, not us, it'snot part of Debian |
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| 19:13.42 | nacer | abrotman, thank you |
| 19:13.53 | dvs | removes the snot from Debian |
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| 19:14.14 | abrotman | heh |
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| 19:26.31 | Lady_Aleena | My Start key was assigned as Meta+ when I installed Debian + KDE. I have looked and looked and have not found a way to get my Start key back so I can assign it, by itself, to open my application launcher menu. (My keyboard being not on the list also doesn't help.) |
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| 19:27.36 | mtn | Lady_Aleena: I have kde and have never found a way to do that. I just use the meta and and another one to open the menu. |
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| 19:28.10 | Lady_Aleena | Any way to get the correct "driver" for my keyboard? |
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| 19:30.17 | dvs | Lady_Aleena: Computer > System Settings > Shortcuts and Gestures ? |
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| 19:30.31 | Lady_Aleena | dvs, looked all over those. |
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| 20:05.25 | V160D05D1 | Hi (: Is it possible to set different wallpaper for virtual desktops? Xfce. Without compiz |
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| 20:14.59 | Absolute0 | Where does crontab -e store its changes? I looked at /etc/cronttab and it had something else. |
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| 20:16.10 | jmcnaught | Absolute0: according to "man crontab" they're stored in /var/spool/cron/crontabs but should probably still edit the file using crontab -e |
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| 20:16.49 | Absolute0 | I added it to both /etc/crontab and crontab -e |
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| 20:25.30 | Absolute0 | is that 6:25 am? |
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| 21:35.48 | adkins | hello, i have an issue with my debian wheezy 7.1 machine. Occasionally i`m getting a bus error. And Whenever i get that, i get it on any command in my console and after a while my screen goes blank and i can only reset my system. Does this mean my harddisk is damaged? |
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| 21:36.15 | abrotman | we would need to see the actual error, please use paste.debian.net |
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| 21:37.15 | adkins | abrotman: the error is just saying "bus-error" nothing else. i can give you my logs of today though... |
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| 21:39.21 | adkins | var/log/messages: http://pastebin.com/w6hCsVvj |
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| 21:39.44 | adkins | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:39.56 | adkins | var/log/kern.log: http://pastebin.com/bcr9Ntz6 |
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| 21:47.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's 5h of logs... |
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| 21:50.49 | abrotman | adkins: which one shuld i be looking at? |
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| 21:52.47 | dakota | Hey, so I used Unetbootin to put Debian on a USB drive. During the install, the USB drive came loose. Now, when I get to the part where I need to install GRUB, it prompts me to insert the disc into /media/cdrom/. What can I do |
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| 21:54.19 | abrotman | dakota: don't use unetbootin, it's a broken pile of crap |
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| 21:54.35 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dakota about win32diskimager |
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| 21:56.03 | dakota | abrotman: Too late for now... I'm already done with the install essentially, all I have to do is install GRUB. Is there no way to recover it with a Unetbootin-created drive? |
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| 21:56.42 | abrotman | dakota: let me repeat .. unetbootin is a broken pile of shit for exactly the reason you're seeing |
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| 21:57.15 | ompaul | unetbootin bug - fails to work with debian, I've not seen someone get from where you are to working with it EVER, clean and install and proper tools is the way forward |
| 21:57.20 | Sia- | dakota, use dd via comandline |
| 21:57.38 | dakota | abrotman: Well, you weren't quite specific enough... You didn't say "It's a broken pile of shit AND you're gonna have to install it through other means" :P |
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| 21:57.41 | abrotman | Sia-: one would presume that since he used unetbootin to begin with, he doesn't have another Linux handy |
| 21:57.46 | dakota | I guess I'll dd the iso |
| 21:57.49 | abrotman | dakota: broke is broke :) |
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| 21:58.12 | abrotman | dakota: If you have another linux, use cp or dd as the manual tells you to |
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| 21:58.27 | dakota | Not exactly... there's different levels of broke. I use zip ties to secure busted PCI cards in a case sometimes |
| 21:58.39 | Sia- | ok, |
| 21:58.41 | ompaul | dakota: su - ; cat debian.insertwhatereisright.iso > /dev/sdX where the letter X is not a partition but the actual disk letter for your usbkey ; after it type sync sit back until sync stops, oh after that reboot :) |
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| 22:02.04 | jraynes89 | Anyone using the official simplesamlphp package? I just installed it with apt-get but can't seem to find where it put everything |
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| 22:02.24 | dvs | jraynes89: dpkg -L simplesamlphp |
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| 22:03.37 | jraynes89 | That helps. Thanks dvs |
| 22:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, apt-file show <package> for packages you haven't installed |
| 22:04.20 | Sia- | bought an HP 250 with Ubuntu preinstalled, with all respekt to the ubuntu developer, i feel 2 weeks in Windows with Ubuntu theme :-) |
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| 22:07.35 | Hilton | Not sure if that made it before I got disconned, so forgive me if this is a repeat: |
| 22:07.38 | Hilton | Last night someone helped me fix my 'interfaces' file in a Debian Vbox (for dev server). The goal was to have a static IP for the box which would exist no matter where I am with my laptop. So I have eth0 bridged to my wireless adapter, eth1 as a Vbox host-only network with a static IP. It was all working properly, so I went to bed... started the box this morning and local access isn't... |
| 22:07.40 | Hilton | ...working again. |
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| 22:07.54 | Hilton | Can anyone help me set up this system so I have static local access but also internet access? |
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| 22:30.00 | F8sS | how to play mp3 file in terminal ? |
| 22:30.35 | AsumFace | if you have sox installed: play [mp3 file] |
| 22:30.54 | everamzah_ | F8sS: get gst123 if you can, it's nifty. |
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| 22:31.51 | adkins | abrotman: sorry i had to bring a kid to bed.....which logfile would u think is more appropriate? /var/log/messages VS /var/log/debug VS /var/log/kern.log |
| 22:32.06 | abrotman | adkins: you're the one that said you were showing the problem .. find hte log file that has the error lines |
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| 22:33.25 | adkins | abrotman: If i would know the error line...... ;( |
| 22:33.47 | tomodachi | hi i just did an dist-upgrade do debian 7, and now the $PATH variable seems incomplete, where is the global PATH set? |
| 22:33.50 | tomodachi | so i can append it |
| 22:34.06 | F8sS | everamzah_, gst123 - GStreamer based command line media player |
| 22:34.08 | F8sS | this one ? |
| 22:34.24 | abrotman | adkins: you told it to us earlier ? |
| 22:34.30 | abrotman | tomodachi: what makes you say that ? |
| 22:34.37 | XposWinU | how can I read/edit a link in gedit? (the link file itself, not the destination of the link.) |
| 22:34.39 | XposWinU | I have a link file pointing to /a/b/c.txt, I want to edit the link file, not c.txt |
| 22:35.34 | abrotman | what is a link file ? |
| 22:35.35 | adkins | abrotman: I only told you about the error "bus error" in console |
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| 22:35.43 | abrotman | adkins: it should appear in another log |
| 22:36.33 | adkins | abrotman: in which log? |
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| 22:36.45 | abrotman | adkins: grep your logs .. look for the bus error |
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| 22:37.32 | adkins | abrotman: i seee......unfortunately i`m not at my machine right now. Guess i have to do it tomorrow |
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| 22:38.34 | XposWinU | its a symlink |
| 22:38.41 | PaulePanter | Hi. Any ideas why for formatting an SSD with Ext4 the stripe and stride size are the erase block size divided by 4? |
| 22:38.45 | PaulePanter | http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/SSD#With_knowing_the_erase_block_size |
| 22:39.27 | adkins | abrotman: thx |
| 22:39.39 | tomodachi | abrotman: well i noticed when i tryed to reboot the machine, and it said command not found, whereis was still pathed, so i could reboot by using an absolute path |
| 22:39.56 | abrotman | adkins: that'd be better, yes |
| 22:39.59 | tomodachi | echo $PATH shows a incomplete pathing compared to my other comp. So do you know perhaps? |
| 22:40.34 | abrotman | tomodachi: what is the $PATH ? |
| 22:41.37 | tomodachi | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games;/usr/games |
| 22:41.41 | tomodachi | abrotman: |
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| 22:42.50 | jordanm | tomodachi: looks normal. /sbin/ and /usr/sbin are not in PATH for regular users by default |
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| 22:44.31 | tomodachi | jordanm: hmm but sudo reboot gives me command not found |
| 22:45.17 | tomodachi | then the path for root must be wrong |
| 22:45.19 | tomodachi | or something |
| 22:45.25 | abrotman | tomodachi: so use the full path like you should |
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| 22:45.35 | chattr | tomodachi: sudo doesn't give you root's PATH |
| 22:46.14 | tomodachi | sudo reboot works on my other systems, if its not related to the PATH, what is your suggestion? |
| 22:46.23 | abrotman | tomodachi: on what other systems? |
| 22:46.27 | abrotman | which OSes? |
| 22:46.34 | tomodachi | debian 7 |
| 22:46.37 | tomodachi | ubuntu |
| 22:46.41 | wols | chattr: it does here. "sudo ifconfig" works fine |
| 22:46.55 | tomodachi | come one , im sure all of you can run sudo reboot with any linux distro that has sudo installed |
| 22:46.58 | abrotman | tomodachi: Ubuntu is made for newbies, so it doesn't always do things the correct way |
| 22:47.06 | tomodachi | im refering to debian here |
| 22:47.07 | abrotman | tomodachi: sudo /sbin/reboot .. problem solved |
| 22:47.13 | tomodachi | no its not solved |
| 22:47.19 | abrotman | yes, it is |
| 22:47.26 | tomodachi | because there is an obvious problem here |
| 22:47.28 | tomodachi | :) |
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| 22:47.37 | chattr | woon this debian testing system, I get ' sudo: ifconfig: command not found ' |
| 22:47.53 | abrotman | tomodachi: it is correct, that's how it's supposed to be. Ubuntu dumbs things down. |
| 22:47.57 | chattr | wols: on this debian testing system, I get ' sudo: ifconfig: command not found ' |
| 22:48.20 | tomodachi | abrotman: no you are wrong |
| 22:48.24 | tomodachi | and im not talking about ubuntu |
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| 22:48.34 | tomodachi | im using debian what has ubuntu got to do with anything here? |
| 22:48.49 | abrotman | tomodachi: right, exactly my point. Debian is doing it correctly. |
| 22:49.15 | tomodachi | since my other debian system can run sudo reboot |
| 22:49.16 | abrotman | tomodachi: normal users are not meant to have /sbin/ and /usr/sbin/ in their path. |
| 22:49.24 | tomodachi | you mean that it is wrong |
| 22:49.39 | tomodachi | but when you sudo a command you are no longer an ordinary user |
| 22:49.45 | abrotman | yes, you are |
| 22:49.55 | abrotman | you're not replacing your environment. |
| 22:50.23 | wols | abrotman: does "sudo ifconfig" work for you? cause for me it does, and I don't have /sbin in my user path, but it runs fine when run via sudo |
| 22:50.51 | abrotman | wols: I'm not even in the sudoers file, I'm a poor example :) |
| 22:50.54 | abrotman | (on this box) |
| 22:51.04 | abrotman | wols: sudo echo $PATH |
| 22:51.07 | overjoyedpulp | i noticed the other day when i was setting my new install up that plymouth-set-default-theme is in /usr/sbin and i could autocomplete it in bash if i used sudo but not if i was a normal user |
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| 22:51.16 | jordanm | tomodachi: Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:" |
| 22:51.24 | jordanm | tomodachi: adding that to sudoers should do what you want |
| 22:51.35 | jordanm | wols: it does not for me |
| 22:51.52 | wols | abrotman: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin while my user doesn't have any sbin directory in his PATH |
| 22:51.55 | jordanm | wols: but I have had this sudoers since lenny so defaults to the config may have changed |
| 22:52.11 | abrotman | tomodachi: pastebin the contents of /etc/sudoers |
| 22:52.19 | abrotman | tomodachi: from both systems |
| 22:52.29 | wols | jordanm: my sudoers has "Defaults env_reset" in it. but I didn't put it there afaik |
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| 22:53.25 | abrotman | tomodachi: use paste.debian.net please |
| 22:54.17 | jordanm | wols: mine does not have it, but according to the manpage that should be used by default anyways |
| 22:54.25 | tomodachi | jordanm: thanks, that was exactly what I needed, adding that do my sudoers file fixed my issue |
| 22:54.32 | abrotman | tomodachi: their point is that if you have that secure_path set in the sudoers file, it should allow sudo to access binaries in those paths |
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| 22:54.38 | tomodachi | so basically there is a specific env path added through sudo |
| 22:54.39 | jordanm | wols: i just added and got the same results |
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| 22:54.42 | abrotman | tomodachi: were both systems installed as Wheezy? |
| 22:54.49 | abrotman | or was one dist-upgraded? |
| 22:54.50 | tomodachi | no |
| 22:55.12 | tomodachi | one was installed through debootstrap directly into wheezy the other upgraded, but i already told you it was dist upgraded |
| 22:55.15 | tomodachi | either way |
| 22:55.33 | tomodachi | sudo reboot should work , and using your recomendation of sudo /sbin/reboot was wrong, |
| 22:55.42 | tomodachi | i appreciate the help, but dont be so sure, unless you are :) |
| 22:55.48 | abrotman | No, it shouldn't but you have what you're after |
| 22:56.17 | wols | abrotman: what if there is a LD_PRELOAD in my env when I run sudo? |
| 22:56.28 | tomodachi | another user just gave you an example of the fact that it works for him |
| 22:56.30 | abrotman | wols: to do what? |
| 22:56.36 | wols | to do evil |
| 22:56.42 | tomodachi | perhaps you would like to verify on your own system since you dont believe us |
| 22:56.58 | abrotman | tomodachi: I"m not in the sudoers file intentionally |
| 22:57.04 | wols | abrotman: could be a priviledge escalation maybe? |
| 22:57.12 | abrotman | wols: in what sense? |
| 22:57.21 | jordanm | wols: env_reset works with LDCONFIG, it appears to keep PATH on purpose |
| 22:57.23 | abrotman | wols: because of the path, or something else? |
| 22:57.36 | abrotman | jordanm: see -E, I think ? |
| 22:57.42 | tomodachi | so you dont want to test your own theory? Thats fine with me , but im sure you have some linux machine someplace where you actually have root privileges |
| 22:57.55 | abrotman | tomodachi: I have hundreds |
| 22:58.16 | wols | I am a user who is allowed to only run certain apps via sudo. now I have a LD_PRELOAD to a libc I crafted myself and run run sudo.... voila: my lib that spawns shells is executed |
| 22:58.23 | jordanm | abrotman: got to test sudo reboot on all of them, just to be sure |
| 22:58.34 | abrotman | jordanm: yeah, good plan :) |
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| 22:59.22 | tomodachi | abrotman: and still you cant verify your own theory? |
| 22:59.26 | tomodachi | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/TsPHxSrS |
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| 22:59.37 | tomodachi | perhaps you can compare to the sudoers file of one of your hundred machines |
| 22:59.38 | abrotman | tomodachi: A normal user does not have /sbin in their path. |
| 22:59.41 | abrotman | or /usr/sbin/ |
| 22:59.50 | tomodachi | as mentioned above |
| 22:59.58 | tomodachi | obviouesly you "Get it" when you run sudo |
| 23:00.13 | tomodachi | throu the Defaults secure_path.... |
| 23:00.21 | tomodachi | but nevermind |
| 23:00.25 | tomodachi | thanks for the help guys! |
| 23:00.31 | abrotman | tomodachi: by ussing the secure_path, you can alter that .. That does not really change your user's path |
| 23:00.32 | jordanm | tomodachi: that's not really what secure_path is designed for.. but it works |
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| 23:01.32 | tomodachi | jordanm: abrotman i have never appended that path before having this issue |
| 23:01.42 | tomodachi | so im fairly sure its the "default" when you install debian |
| 23:01.48 | tomodachi | or perhaps the sudo package |
| 23:02.01 | abrotman | tomodachi: you just said it was not set, so it was apparently not the default at one point |
| 23:02.12 | tomodachi | the pastebin above was from my untouched machine that works |
| 23:04.13 | abrotman | Have a good day! |
| 23:04.28 | tomatosalad | is there a reason my ebtables bridge just flat-out doesn't work? I followed the instructions precisely |
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| 23:11.12 | abrotman | amphi: LTNS? |
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| 23:12.27 | amphi | abrotman: guten abend |
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| 23:13.04 | anton02 | what causes apt-get update to stall? |
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| 23:16.11 | F8sS | anton02, |
| 23:16.20 | F8sS | check your net |
| 23:16.45 | nkuttler | anton02: could also be an unresponsive mirror |
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| 23:26.11 | PinkFreud | waves |
| 23:26.41 | PinkFreud | Heya folks. Looking for some help convincing my Radeon hw that I really, *really* want to output audio over hdmi. |
| 23:27.09 | PinkFreud | So far, all I've had is complete, deafening... silence. :) |
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| 23:29.44 | PinkFreud | I'm running testing (latest as of last night) on hw that identifies itself as Trinity (Radeon HD 7660D) |
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| 23:30.03 | abrotman | is this part of alsactl ? |
| 23:30.34 | abrotman | isn't sure if hdmi sound shows up in /proc/asound/ards |
| 23:30.42 | abrotman | uh ... /proc/asound/cards |
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| 23:31.42 | PinkFreud | it does. |
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| 23:32.07 | PinkFreud | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.17 | PinkFreud | I can also switch to it in alsamixer |
| 23:32.25 | PinkFreud | I just never hear anything. :( |
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| 23:34.08 | PinkFreud | I also had the same issue on wheezy. I eventually upgraded to jessie to resolve some lingering graphics issues with mesa 8 (mesa 9.2.2 on jessie definitely resolved those, but sadly, the hdmi audio issue still exists) |
| 23:34.40 | everamzah | pavucontrol installed if you're on pulseaudio? maybe you can adjust it in that utility. |
| 23:35.33 | dubwoc | PinkFreud: aplay -l and try using speaker test on the different cards there.. |
| 23:35.37 | dubwoc | PinkFreud: speaker-test that is.. |
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| 23:36.17 | dubwoc | PinkFreud: this has beter instructions than my one off http://alsa.opensrc.org/Speaker-test |
| 23:36.22 | dubwoc | it is aplay -L also.. |
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| 23:36.46 | dubwoc | that will let you go through all the different possible "cards" I only have one audio card but I have 9 different "cards" |
| 23:37.22 | PinkFreud | dubwoc: I've tried selecting HDMI audio in gnome's audio config and doing a speaker test. |
| 23:37.42 | PinkFreud | oddly, speaker test never brings up the dialog while HDMI audio is selected (in wheezy, it did, but again - silence) |
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| 23:38.10 | dubwoc | PinkFreud: I would first try to just get sound to come out of the proper output then I would worry about configuring gnome or whatever else to use it.. |
| 23:38.30 | dubwoc | aplay -L shows more than the initial card you listed above right? |
| 23:38.49 | everamzah | fuser -v /dev/snd/* is helpful to see what's using your audio device(s) |
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| 23:41.30 | PinkFreud | dubwoc: yep |
| 23:41.48 | PinkFreud | first device is 'hdmi', followed by multiple outputs for the generic card |
| 23:42.14 | PinkFreud | dubwoc: speaker-test is running. no audio. |
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| 23:57.38 | juanmabcirc | hi |
| 23:57.40 | juanmabcirc | dpkg-source: warning: can't parse dependency debhelper autoconf aspell fortune-mod figlet cowsay boxes festival espeak graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat vorbis-tools curl wget libxml2-utils xmlstarlet lynx-cur pkg-config libhunspell-dev libmythes-dev |
| 23:57.53 | juanmabcirc | can't this be caused for a missing package? |
| 23:57.59 | juanmabcirc | or i just screwed the format |
| 23:58.41 | juanmabcirc | like: figlet is not in the repositories |
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| 23:59.03 | juanmabcirc | debian rules! ;-) |
| 23:59.33 | abrotman | judd: versions figlet |
| 23:59.34 | judd | Package: figlet on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 2.2.2-1; jessie: 2.2.5-2; sid: 2.2.5-2; wheezy: 2.2.5-2 |
| 23:59.43 | abrotman | juanmabcirc: pastebin your sources.list |