| 00:00.16 | phix | sudo grub-install /dev/sdb and let me know if any errors arise |
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| 00:00.24 | penk | hmm |
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| 00:00.42 | phix | penk: THe worst that can happen is it won't write anything to it :) |
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| 00:00.48 | penk | when i do grub-install /dev/sdb, i get 'error: unsupported raid level: 7 |
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| 00:01.11 | penk | i am using a lenny cd, and /etc/apt/sources.list says this is a lenny host |
| 00:01.13 | phix | sudo update-grub ? |
| 00:01.16 | penk | sorry |
| 00:01.20 | penk | raidlevel: 6 |
| 00:01.21 | phix | oh you are using lenny? |
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| 00:01.23 | penk | yea |
| 00:01.28 | phix | why? |
| 00:01.34 | penk | because this is an old host :( |
| 00:01.39 | penk | haven't gotten around to upgradeing it yet |
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| 00:02.19 | phix | do you have a newer version of the debian install cd? |
| 00:02.35 | penk | maybe. |
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| 00:02.42 | phix | although you will ;probably get the same error message ;) |
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| 00:03.01 | phix | sudo update-grub might do something too |
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| 00:03.01 | penk | great :) |
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| 00:03.33 | phix | You're using raid6 ? |
| 00:03.37 | penk | y |
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| 00:04.04 | phix | penk: Netsplits happen now and then |
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| 00:04.08 | penk | np |
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| 00:04.32 | penk | okay udate grub looks like it rebuilt menu.lst |
| 00:04.36 | penk | not sure if it pushed a new msb |
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| 00:04.38 | penk | mbr |
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| 00:04.46 | phix | no it wont |
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| 00:04.53 | phix | run grub-install /dev/sdb again |
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| 00:05.10 | phix | oh wait, have you taking the faulty disc out? or is it still in there? |
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| 00:05.33 | penk | its still in |
| 00:05.34 | penk | should i pull it? |
| 00:05.34 | phix | If you have taking it out sdb might now be sda |
| 00:05.38 | phix | ah ok |
| 00:05.39 | phix | nm then |
| 00:05.44 | phix | no you dont have to |
| 00:05.44 | penk | okay :) |
| 00:05.59 | phix | was just concerned the device name changed ;) |
| 00:06.09 | penk | ohhhh |
| 00:06.10 | penk | hey |
| 00:06.16 | penk | (hd) in device.map says dev/sda |
| 00:06.17 | phix | so did grun-install work? |
| 00:06.18 | penk | hd0 |
| 00:06.21 | penk | which is wrong |
| 00:06.26 | penk | i should change that to sdb, neh? |
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| 00:07.17 | phix | sure |
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| 00:07.36 | penk | rebooting |
| 00:07.36 | phix | you can just use the grub console to do that without modifying that file |
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| 00:07.44 | phix | take the CD out :P |
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| 00:07.51 | penk | did :) |
| 00:08.12 | penk | nope. os not found |
| 00:08.50 | up365 | "Lady in the Lake", this PMarlow flick is pretty damn good filmed from his pov with dangerously, beautiful dames. |
| 00:08.51 | penk | i'm bgeinnging to wonder if this is a bios problem |
| 00:09.02 | up365 | sorry wrong channel |
| 00:09.55 | penk | tryin to tell the bios that sdb is the primary boot drive |
| 00:09.57 | penk | lets see what happens. |
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| 00:10.12 | thims_ | Does anyone see why this xorg.conf would start with the the dual screens cloning one another? http://pastebin.com/SD4FQbPH |
| 00:11.01 | penk | hey phix? if i havr a boot: prompt from the cd |
| 00:11.09 | penk | can i say "boot from md1" ? |
| 00:11.10 | thims_ | I have tried and am working on changing the settings using xrandr, but get an error message about not being able to exceed the maximum resolution allowed because I try 3360x1050 which exceeds 1680x1680 maximum. |
| 00:11.21 | penk | or md0 or whatever |
| 00:11.39 | penk | i/m okay with a maual clunky startup pocess. we're decommissioning this server. |
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| 00:12.58 | nevyn | thims_: dump the whole config and start X |
| 00:13.04 | nevyn | then use xrandr |
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| 00:14.34 | thims_ | nevyn: dump as in supply or loose it, let X default to acquired values, then setup the layout with xrandr? |
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| 00:14.49 | nevyn | lose it. |
| 00:14.56 | nevyn | just move it out of the way |
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| 00:15.36 | thims_ | I can try it. I would prefer to do it through xorg.conf rather then have some init script handle the video setup upon boot. |
| 00:15.48 | nevyn | let's get it going first. |
| 00:15.55 | nevyn | then wory about codifying it in a config |
| 00:15.57 | thims_ | unless xrandr has persistance I am unaware of. |
| 00:16.18 | thims_ | oh, I see what your saying. |
| 00:16.30 | nevyn | because then you cane xamine the running config with dpyinfo etc to work out what the numbers should be. |
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| 00:17.14 | thims_ | nevyn: I will try that method and see what is found. Thank you. |
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| 00:20.13 | penk | ping phix |
| 00:20.19 | phix | pong penk |
| 00:20.34 | phix | penk: did you take out sda? |
| 00:20.38 | phix | if not, do that |
| 00:20.42 | penk | yeah? ok |
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| 00:21.54 | penk | oh crikey its booting |
| 00:22.23 | penk | i'm goig to walk away ad let this run and finish my quick diner :) |
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| 00:23.31 | Rubin | how would i go about finding out the status of a package as it makes its way from sid to testing? |
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| 00:24.12 | Rubin | I'd like to see the 3.11 kernel (or 12?) and where its at, if its being held up due to bugs etc |
| 00:24.19 | thims_ | nevyn: xrandr still only gives me a maximum size to work with of 1680x1680. For some reason it is showing both DVI-0 and VGA-0 as being on Screen0 of Xorg's default configuration. |
| 00:25.08 | thims_ | I can't find the bin dpyinfo, it is not in the suggested package X11-utils and I don't feel like compiling from source at the moment. |
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| 00:25.54 | thims_ | Being able to get Xorg to recognize that VGA-0 is different from DVI-0 would be a starting place, then shouldn't my max resolution multiply? |
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| 00:26.44 | nevyn | thims_: so are both screens on? |
| 00:27.05 | thims_ | nevyn: yes. They are cloning at the moment, but both are working with my desired resolution. |
| 00:27.09 | nevyn | xrandr VGA-0 --right-of DVI-1 |
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| 00:27.56 | nevyn | or left of whichever to taste. |
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| 00:28.27 | thims_ | nevyn: it simply shows me the help output and gives no error message as to where the issue was wrong. |
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| 00:28.56 | nevyn | oh. |
| 00:28.59 | nevyn | I suck. |
| 00:29.28 | thims_ | Issueing "--output VGA-0 --left-of DVI-0" says I cannot do it because I will exceed my maximum resolution. |
| 00:29.30 | nevyn | thims_: can you paste the output of xrandr (no arguments to paste.debia.net? |
| 00:29.51 | thims_ | So for some reason it seems that it is taking bot DVI-0 and VGA-0 as DVI-0. |
| 00:29.51 | nevyn | bleh |
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| 00:30.04 | thims_ | sure. |
| 00:30.19 | nevyn | what video hardware is this? |
| 00:30.45 | thims_ | ATI radeon (HD I believe) 5450 using the open source radeon driver. |
| 00:31.02 | thims_ | I am running Debian 7 Stable on a bare minimal install. |
| 00:31.16 | nevyn | ok. |
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| 00:32.10 | nevyn | output in pastebin? |
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| 00:33.26 | nevyn | thims_: ? |
| 00:33.34 | thims_ | nevyn: http://paste.debian.net/74687/ |
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| 00:35.03 | thims_ | My logic says I first have to declare DVI-0 and VGA-0 as separate screens, but I am not sure how to get X / Xrandr to recognize this. |
| 00:35.46 | nevyn | that's not the problem. |
| 00:36.20 | nevyn | the issue is max screensize bieing 1680x1680 |
| 00:36.55 | thims_ | Ii need 3360x1050, because I want them side by side? |
| 00:36.58 | penk | Last login: Thu Dec 19 16:37:54 2013 from boomer.homeport.org |
| 00:36.58 | penk | dbs@dock:~$ |
| 00:37.00 | penk | HUZZAH |
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| 00:39.03 | nevyn | thims_: yep |
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| 00:39.17 | nevyn | but this number looks wrong. |
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| 00:40.28 | penk | phix: we are up and running. |
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| 00:40.34 | penk | phix: thank you VERY much for your help. |
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| 00:41.28 | thims_ | Well my desired resolution is 1680x1050 on both monitors, side-by-side should give an appropriate, required resolution of 3360x1050 to allow allocation of both screens into one area. However, I am finding when I try to change this I always get a complaint about how the resolution cannot exceed the maximum resolution of 1680x1680. |
| 00:42.52 | thims_ | "xrandr --screen 0 --fb 3360x1050" still gives me the error. |
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| 00:43.31 | nevyn | thims_: can you pastebin you xorg.0 logfile please? |
| 00:43.39 | thims_ | Sure. |
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| 00:49.52 | thims_ | nevyn: http://pastebin.com/MDpnsFNy |
| 00:49.55 | buu | Hrm |
| 00:50.08 | buu | How would you rename a directory without access to the 'mv' binary? |
| 00:50.09 | nevyn | sigh.. the eye bleeding pastebin |
| 00:50.54 | thims_ | note line 19-25. The driver itself is placing the hardware to its own Screens correctly. |
| 00:51.07 | thims_ | yeah, sorry, debian.org was giving me troubles. |
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| 00:52.09 | denysonique | Hi |
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| 00:52.38 | nevyn | hrm... |
| 00:52.57 | denysonique | I want to make a deb package of ready binaries of na open source project. Should I fetch the bins manually before running debuild or should I do the fetching in debian/rules? |
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| 00:55.33 | thims_ | nevyn: agreed. |
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| 00:55.49 | thims_ | Could this be a bug with the 5450? |
| 00:55.50 | arthurfiggis | hello :) i've recently been trying to run the android sdk in wheezy (64-bit)...everything appears to run fine up until trying to start a virtual device...at that point the window appears, the android logo appears...and nothing at all happens :( has anyone else had a similar problem? |
| 00:57.14 | nevyn | thims_: the bit that bothers me is the memory manager initialisation |
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| 00:59.43 | nevyn | thims_: I just asked #radeon |
| 01:00.08 | thims_ | What line specifically? |
| 01:00.28 | thims_ | 73? |
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| 01:01.55 | thims_ | nevyn: ^ |
| 01:02.20 | nevyn | 948 |
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| 01:03.10 | thims_ | Ah, that is sort of teetering on "over my head". |
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| 01:16.57 | nevyn | mmm |
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| 01:21.25 | nevyn | thims: I did a dumb thing and scroll locked my irc client |
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| 01:26.58 | thims | nevyn: that sucks, but will happen. |
| 01:28.36 | thims | nevyn: thanks for the help man. |
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| 01:39.54 | pakaran | What's the command to have aptitude uninstall packages that were part of a dependency that's now unneeded? |
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| 01:40.49 | DammitJim | is there a recommended stream torrent for Linux? |
| 01:41.19 | wed | Linux what? |
| 01:41.23 | oxez | pakaran: I would try aptitude autoremove |
| 01:41.40 | DammitJim | debian |
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| 01:42.32 | wed | Any torrent aggregator should give you options |
| 01:42.40 | pakaran | it's autoclean, but thanks. |
| 01:42.48 | pakaran | it gave me usage when i typed that lol |
| 01:42.55 | wed | But so should the download page |
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| 01:43.09 | peterrooney | DammitJim: apt-get autoremove ; autoremove is absent from aptitutde without tweaking conffiles |
| 01:43.14 | greg` | how do i connect wifi from console? |
| 01:43.15 | DammitJim | torrent agregator? |
| 01:43.35 | DammitJim | why do you guys want me to apt-get autoremove |
| 01:43.38 | peterrooney | pakaran: autoclean removes downloaded packages for cache directory, and does not remove packages |
| 01:43.46 | DammitJim | I want a stream torrent player |
| 01:43.58 | pakaran | peterrooney, so how do I do it? |
| 01:43.58 | peterrooney | DammitJim: sorry, was intended for pakaran |
| 01:44.07 | peterrooney | pakaran: : apt-get autoremove ; autoremove is absent from aptitutde without tweaking conffiles |
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| 01:44.24 | pakaran | peterrooney, ok I'll do that after my full-upgrade thanks. |
| 01:44.47 | DammitJim | so, no recommended torrent stream players? |
| 01:46.11 | pakaran | peterrooney, it had nothing to remove, thanks |
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| 01:56.06 | arthurfiggis | DammitJim: I don't know if vuze might do what you're looking to do? :) i've never used it but the description seems to fit |
| 01:56.35 | arthurfiggis | (plus it apparently has an embedded media player, but the downside is that it's probably all Java) |
| 01:56.55 | nevyn | thims: you could probably get the bits you need from backports |
| 01:58.38 | DammitJim | let me check it |
| 01:58.39 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 02:14.55 | krababbel | Hi, I cannot get PHP5 to work properly. I tried it on two different PCs, and I used Lighttpd and Apache2 too. Code like this won't work at all, it uses a system class as far as I know. Other code works fine. <?php phpinfo(); ?> is fine. http://paste.ofcode.org/brzkHweXuiL3Fd5WnT4yew |
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| 02:15.46 | krababbel | On other webservers everything works. |
| 02:16.02 | schultza | I'm having a version control thing going on in debian. |
| 02:17.08 | krababbel | I instlled 'apt-get install lighttpd php5-fpm' btw. I tried php5-cgi too before. |
| 02:17.47 | schultza | I am having problems installing SlapOS (Cloud architecture that goes on top of linux (i belive other oses as well)) when running a python script that requires python utils or something at least 0.7 and debian stable and debian testing both have this package at 0.6. |
| 02:21.46 | schultza | Traceback. <script file here with several lines> VersionConflict: (setuptools 0.3c11), Requirement.parse(setuptools>=0.7) |
| 02:21.58 | schultza | How do I get Debian to install a later version of python setuptools? |
| 02:22.37 | schultza | s/0.3c11/0.6c11 |
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| 02:25.13 | arthurfiggis | schultza: well...if i were using python2 i'd easy_install the latest version, if python3 i'd pip3.2-install the latest version :) though i haven't used python in a while...but it's fairly easy to install things both ways to /usr/local and then that version (should) take priority...it seems to for me :) |
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| 02:26.05 | schultza | it's the basic python that gets installed with debian.. do i install another python? |
| 02:26.15 | themill | no, don't do that |
| 02:26.29 | schultza | python 2.7.6 |
| 02:26.29 | arthurfiggis | schultza: no need to install a new version of python |
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| 02:26.55 | themill | schultza: you might like to investigate using a virtualenv for this -- the virtualenv can have its own version of setuptools inside it without breaking the rest of your python packages. |
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| 02:27.28 | semente | test |
| 02:27.32 | abrotman | fail |
| 02:27.37 | schultza | this is a vm test machine to only build one applciation which i cannot build... im free to destroy packages as needed to get this one software running |
| 02:27.50 | arthurfiggis | themill: ahh yes, sorry about that...i'm not familiar with debian's packages for building things safely so i didn't think to recommend it :( |
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| 02:28.32 | schultza | well. im building a slapos instance following a guide. and it runs on python |
| 02:28.45 | alusion | for those people who use full disk encryption |
| 02:28.48 | alusion | whats the best way to do it |
| 02:28.54 | alusion | when I need to migrate data over |
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| 02:29.18 | schultza | and i changed my sources.list to testing and upgrade and dist-upgraded it... still no change to python's package |
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| 02:30.03 | arthurfiggis | schultza: what version of debian are you using? the latest version of setuptools that i see in wheezy at the moment is 0.6.24-1? |
| 02:30.11 | schultza | wheezy + testing |
| 02:30.28 | schultza | i isntalled wheezy. then changed sources to testing |
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| 02:31.12 | schultza | testing/jessie |
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| 02:31.15 | arthurfiggis | oh...yeah, that's beyond anything i'd be able to sort out then, i stick to stable :/ but someone here is probably using it |
| 02:31.41 | schultza | do you know how to sort it out with stable? |
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| 02:32.47 | arthurfiggis | schultza: well...although not recommended, i suppose if it's in a vm and -if- you can roll back easily...you could try instaling it via python's easy_install and see if you get a later version that way :) but as mentioned above it could (if you're not careful) mess up your other python packages |
| 02:33.35 | schultza | im new to python.. so any help is appreciated.. lol :) |
| 02:34.09 | arthurfiggis | so really you'd want to look at something that allows you to install everything into some sort of chroot or virtualenv as themill mentioned, i'd imagine there are tools to partition things off so that you're not going to blow away something important to your system :) i'm just a bit too new to debian to know which personally |
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| 02:35.40 | arthurfiggis | (plus i moved over from slackware and i was used to accidentally blowing things up in that :) you do learn how to troubleshoot a lot of things that way) |
| 02:36.38 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: does the bts expose a wsdl for it's soap api? I don't see anything in the docs |
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| 02:41.27 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: no |
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| 02:42.34 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: are you opposed to adding one if it was submitted? |
| 02:43.29 | themill | (I think that might be required in the future if python-debianbts is to migrate away from soappy to a supported soap module) |
| 02:43.44 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: no, but I'd prefer not to have to keep it updated |
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| 02:44.13 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: though if someone were to submit a patch which automatically generated the wsdl from the perl interface, I'd definitely accept that |
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| 02:46.36 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: I actually did a small amount of research into that, and it doesn't look like SOAP::Lite has any native support for that sort of thing |
| 02:47.01 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: It looks like most of the work is already done in an emacs soap client though: https://github.com/jwiegley/debbugs-gnu/blob/master/Debbugs.wsdl |
| 02:47.12 | dondelelcaro | ah, cool |
| 02:47.26 | dondelelcaro | yeah; I'm not averse to it, I just want to avoid supporting it. ;-) |
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| 03:20.24 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: would you prefer if it was generated on the fly (cgi) or a bin script to generate one-time? |
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| 03:30.23 | oiiijj | Greetings if I use wget http://foo.bar will that only grab every page at foo.bar or will it goto other urls such as bar.foo? |
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| 03:31.08 | SirLagz | oiiijj: by default, it will only grab every page at foo.bar |
| 03:31.20 | SirLagz | you can set a recursive flag to go deeper though |
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| 03:34.09 | abrotman | jordanm: configurable? :) |
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| 03:35.46 | bbtech | I have a box that only was an intel wifi card in it. How do I install the driver for it without an internet connection? |
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| 03:35.56 | bbtech | I'm thinking I want to install this driver: firmware-iwlwifi |
| 03:36.08 | SirLagz | bbtech: with a usb stick and some patience. |
| 03:36.11 | bbtech | unless there is another driver that will get me access that is on the cd-rom |
| 03:36.22 | bbtech | SirLagz, where do I go to get the deb package? |
| 03:37.20 | SirLagz | a repo close to you ? check www.debian.org for a list of repos |
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| 03:38.07 | bbtech | packages.debian.org...sorry for asking the obvious |
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| 03:39.55 | abrotman | bbtech: packages.debian.org/firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 03:40.09 | bbtech | abrotman, thanks, I got it |
| 03:40.38 | bbtech | I had gone the wrong route and found some ucode files first that were talking about modifying the kernel...confused me for a bit |
| 03:40.44 | oiiijj | Sirlagz: thank you |
| 03:40.55 | SirLagz | oiiijj: no problems |
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| 03:46.20 | jarkko_ | what's wrong if every xstart i have to set setxkbmap fi |
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| 03:50.02 | glenrock | jarkko_: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 03:50.38 | jarkko_ | actually i have kubuntu, kde version, but i think the mechanism is the same, even debian doesnt have the bug |
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| 03:51.21 | abrotman | jarkko_: then please use #kubuntu. Thank you. |
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| 04:01.00 | dgriffi | where is it defined in a debian boot CD what packages are installed for what general software categories are installed? |
| 04:01.57 | dgriffi | I'm trying to figure out exactly what's in the "Debian Desktop Environment" that allows a Thinkpad T420 to shutdown/reboot when the shutdown or reboot command is given |
| 04:03.02 | dgriffi | I installed debian without anything graphical because I want only Mate on it, but there's this weird oversight that I intend to file as a bug once I work out what it is. |
| 04:04.02 | abrotman | Mate isn't in Debian |
| 04:04.28 | Penix | dgriffi: tasksel. /usr/share/doc/tasksel/README.gz |
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| 04:04.56 | dgriffi | abrotman: I'm aware of that, which is why my own install solution is a flash drive with preseeding |
| 04:05.20 | aFeijo | I have a new server with Software RAID 1 and it is quite slow for DISK WRITE. What can be the problem? How to investigate? |
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| 04:10.53 | aFeijo | spew show a writespeed of 159 kbps ! :( |
| 04:10.54 | aFeijo | damn |
| 04:11.03 | aFeijo | maybe the problem is how the drive is monted on fstab? |
| 04:11.25 | aFeijo | mine is: ext4 default,relatime 0 2 |
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| 04:22.01 | MouseTheLuckyDog | How can I use the apt family of programs to tell me which repository an installed package came from? |
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| 04:23.10 | SirLagz | MouseTheLuckyDog: out of curiosity, why would you want to know ? |
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| 04:24.06 | MouseTheLuckyDog | because synaptic is telling me that I have a package called firefox installed, and it seems to be installed in /opt and I want to know where the package came from. |
| 04:24.39 | SirLagz | MouseTheLuckyDog: ah i see |
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| 04:25.26 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Plus there are several other times i wanted to know where a package came from. |
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| 04:26.30 | Tasab_ | evim & mcedit , both commands not working with me on the terminal ? |
| 04:28.03 | LtL | Tasab_: they are gone, what commands |
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| 04:30.47 | LtL | Tasab_: mcedit should be in /usr/bin/ i don't know about evim |
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| 04:31.33 | LtL | Tasab_: perhaps you need to install them. apt-cache search evim and so on. |
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| 04:32.54 | Tasab_ | LtL: tks , u r right may be need installation |
| 04:33.15 | themill | MouseTheLuckyDog: try "apt-cache policy $packagename". There is no way to know where a package *did* come from, only where it could come from if you tried to install it now. |
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| 04:46.27 | dgriffi | Penix: /usr/share/doc/tasksel/README.gz |
| 04:46.45 | dgriffi | doesn't exactly help me learn what the default packages are |
| 04:47.37 | themill | dgriffi: tasksel --task-packages lists the packages a task causes to be installed. |
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| 05:10.10 | quinso | Hello. There is a program called "x360ce" which emulates xbox360 gamepad using any other gamepad instead. I wonder if there is an alternative for GNU Linux or in particular Debian? Or maybe just a way to remap buttons of a gamepad? |
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| 05:12.47 | mintgreen | the app preview button gets stuck.how to fix it? |
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| 05:22.19 | roothorick | installed wheezy on a laptop without a real sysrq key, and I'm getting a kernel panic. How do I see the oops/trace? |
| 05:24.13 | MouseTheLuckyDog | roothorick, have yolu tried attaching a usb keyboard? |
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| 05:24.20 | jerichodotm | anyone know hwo to setup watch files pointing to github if thre are no releaeses?? |
| 05:25.09 | MouseTheLuckyDog | jerichodotm, Step one, ask in a git related channel. |
| 05:25.29 | jerichodotm | MouseTheLuckyDog, thanks |
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| 05:27.49 | roothorick | MouseTheLuckyDog: I managed to get sysrq working, but it suddenly stops working when the kpanic happens |
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| 05:28.00 | themill | jerichodotm: are there no tags? |
| 05:28.04 | roothorick | appears to be disk I/O related |
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| 05:29.21 | jerichodotm | themill: im not 100% sure what a tag is to be honest. I know I can scan a package repo fine if there are files in the releases section. but if all i see is source code listed i dont know whwere to go |
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| 05:43.23 | roothorick | kpanic every time, but at a different point each time |
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| 05:44.10 | somiaj | roothorick: have you tried memtest86, maybe your memory is just gone bad |
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| 05:44.12 | roothorick | somiaj: not having any issues in Ubuntu |
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| 05:44.17 | roothorick | well, having a different and very specific issue in Ubuntu that's probably a kernel regression |
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| 05:44.20 | somiaj | hmm, well random panics could be caused by bad memeory. |
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| 05:44.21 | somiaj | but sounds like that is not the case here |
| 05:44.21 | SirLagz | or a bad disk |
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| 05:44.22 | roothorick | I had Kubuntu on this disk and wasn't having issues |
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| 06:09.20 | elimskrad | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 06:13.56 | elimskrad | Having trouble with cheese webcam app. Can anyone offer assistance. Fairly new to Irc as well. Good vening and thanks. |
| 06:14.20 | wols | elimskrad: state your actual problem. never ask if you can ask |
| 06:14.57 | elimskrad | lol. Thanks |
| 06:16.50 | elimskrad | I have some output in the terminal. It's gtk related. It launches and closes promptly. I usually google. But I realise why others get better with linux because it'a community. So IRC here I am. |
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| 06:19.21 | elimskrad | #flood |
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| 06:21.29 | dizzylizzy | elimskrad, I've been having trouble with cheese too |
| 06:21.30 | dizzylizzy | simply won't launch properly |
| 06:21.36 | dizzylizzy | ....I've since uninstalled it, along with the rest of gnome, so I'm not sure of how much help I'll be |
| 06:21.42 | dizzylizzy | are you using sid, elimskrad ? |
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| 06:21.56 | wols | elimskrad: open a xterm, run cheese there. then you see the error without closing. and use a pastebin like paste.debian.net |
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| 06:29.26 | dizzylizzy | I had kind of a dumb idea on the bus home tonight |
| 06:29.54 | dizzylizzy | I just learned the basics of git today to help with my schoolwork and managing it between computers, and I thought... I should do this with my various configuration files |
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| 06:30.39 | dizzylizzy | what if things like .tmux.conf are actually in ~/.myconfig/ and ~/.tmux.conf is just a symbolic link? |
| 06:30.50 | wols | will work fine |
| 06:31.01 | dizzylizzy | same goes for things like my newtab html page and whatnot... I'm just worried something won't be able to work with the links |
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| 06:31.19 | wols | everything will work with links |
| 06:31.25 | elimskrad | sorry was reading forums for help after I found topic here :-D. No Wheezy Stable |
| 06:31.45 | wols | elimskrad: do what I told you above |
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| 06:32.33 | elimskrad | already have error copied to clipboard. didn't know how to use flood here |
| 06:32.49 | wols | !nopaste |
| 06:32.50 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
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| 06:33.30 | dizzylizzy | i really like pastebinit |
| 06:33.37 | elimskrad | okay brb headed to pastebin |
| 06:33.40 | dizzylizzy | yaw |
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| 06:35.38 | dizzylizzy | Oh geez that's odd, running ./Whatever.exe and having it actually run. I'm learning C# for class and the .exe output can be run directly |
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| 06:38.36 | elimskrad | okay. on pastebin. need line breaks? |
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| 06:41.03 | dizzylizzy | elimskrad, I'd just paste whatever you copied and link us to it |
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| 06:42.53 | elimskrad | http://paste.debian.net/74704 |
| 06:43.25 | elimskrad | just had to break the code up. spam thing. |
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| 06:44.33 | wols | elimskrad: this is no error |
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| 06:45.13 | elimskrad | it's not. Bet it's simple. |
| 06:45.13 | wols | please paste the exact command you run and its full output |
| 06:45.45 | wols | and actually describe the error you encounter |
| 06:45.46 | HellMind | How can I send the email I got in /var/spool/mail to another email address?, with procmail only sends to local accounts |
| 06:46.21 | wols | elimskrad: also show us the output of ls -l /dev/video* |
| 06:46.26 | wols | HellMind: what MTA do you run? |
| 06:47.24 | elimskrad | http://paste.debian.net/74705/ |
| 06:47.32 | HellMind | postfix |
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| 06:48.14 | wols | HellMind: for example: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-bsd-postfix-forward-email-to-another-account/ |
| 06:48.21 | elimskrad | i type cheese & to background the program. It's starts up been then crashes |
| 06:48.40 | wols | elimskrad: and without &? |
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| 06:50.36 | HellMind | wols and how that will read the emails on /var/spool/mail ? |
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| 06:50.54 | wols | it won't. it will only work on new mails delivered to your mailspool |
| 06:50.54 | elimskrad | okay. |
| 06:51.08 | HellMind | I do that with etc aliases |
| 06:51.32 | wols | HellMind: aliases only works locally, like procmail, doesn't send mail to remote addresses |
| 06:51.33 | HellMind | I need to re send the /var/spool/mail mails |
| 06:51.49 | wols | then I suggest you use a MUA and send/forward them that way |
| 06:51.50 | HellMind | wols wrong, because its working |
| 06:52.09 | elimskrad | http://paste.debian.net/74706/ |
| 06:52.12 | HellMind | MUA? |
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| 06:53.15 | elimskrad | http://paste.debian.net/74707/ |
| 06:53.27 | elimskrad | okay. no & |
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| 06:54.28 | wols | you could strace it to see why/when it crashes |
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| 07:48.24 | bonjoyee | why is aptitude not removing dependencies on my wheezy 64 bit? |
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| 07:49.30 | bonjoyee | i installed ffmpeg which came with 8 other dependencies..now removing ffmpeg removes only one leaving 8 behind. |
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| 07:53.07 | Queitsch | did you try an apt-get autoremove? |
| 07:53.31 | bonjoyee | apt-get autoremove does not help either |
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| 07:54.10 | Queitsch | :( |
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| 07:54.26 | bonjoyee | Queitsch: yep..does not help! |
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| 07:54.56 | Queitsch | Well, try removing them one by one. You might find unexpected dependencies on other stuff. |
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| 07:55.19 | Queitsch | Did you install anything between ffmpeg and removing it? |
| 07:55.35 | tommasright | whatwhat is the wiki chanel? |
| 07:56.24 | bonjoyee | Queitsch: nope..one thing i noticed is that libav-tools is not marked as automatically installed evethough it came as a dependency of ffmpeg. |
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| 07:58.06 | Queitsch | Ah. If libav-tools is a dependency of the 7 other packages... then they can't be autoremoved. No idea why it's marked wrong tho |
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| 08:41.17 | ws2k3 | hello im having some questions regarding the ntp package on debian |
| 08:41.32 | ws2k3 | the ntp package is to sync my debian with an internet time server right ? |
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| 08:43.25 | peterrooney | ws2k3: you might be interested in the ntpdate package instead |
| 08:44.29 | ws2k3 | ah okay why ? |
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| 08:46.43 | wols | ws2k3: yes it is |
| 08:46.45 | peterrooney | ws2k3: ntpdate is client only |
| 08:47.14 | wols | !tell peterrooney about why not ntpdate |
| 08:47.36 | ws2k3 | !tell ws2k3 about why not ntpdate |
| 08:48.29 | wols | !tell ws2k3 about selftell |
| 08:49.20 | ws2k3 | didnt know that wols |
| 08:49.27 | ws2k3 | so thank you |
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| 08:50.45 | ws2k3 | wols can i configure an interfal in the ntp package ? |
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| 08:51.41 | wols | interfal? |
| 08:51.52 | ws2k3 | yeah the interval when it syncs |
| 08:52.03 | ws2k3 | it does it do that compleetly automaticly |
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| 08:55.17 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | so I installed xfce debs I compiled with apt-get source, on wheezy and sources from testing, and now synaptic shows these packages as upgradable from testing, even though I have the exact same version installed |
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| 08:56.15 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | also apt-get upgrade keeps back those packages |
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| 08:56.52 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | not sure if it has something to do with apt_preferences (testing pinned at 400, wheezy at 990) |
| 08:57.33 | nkuttler | dude with the odd nick, pick a name i can reply to |
| 08:57.59 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | but why are they even upgradable |
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| 08:58.23 | nkuttler | nameucanreply: sounds like you added a deb line with testing as well, not only a deb-src |
| 08:58.40 | nkuttler | nameucanreply: apt-cache policy xfce? |
| 08:58.51 | nkuttler | ,v xfce |
| 08:58.53 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
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| 08:58.58 | nameucanreply | indeed, I have testing for some packages not in stable and that don't break anything (like pidgin-libnotify, etc.) |
| 08:59.06 | nkuttler | ,v xfce4 |
| 08:59.09 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.10.1 |
| 08:59.32 | nkuttler | nameucanreply: oh wait, you use pinning.. good luck then, can't help with that |
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| 08:59.54 | FiLoSsOfIe | hello |
| 08:59.57 | nkuttler | !pinning |
| 08:59.57 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 09:00.08 | nameucanreply | policy xfce4-session shows: |
| 09:00.08 | nameucanreply | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.08 | nameucanreply | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.08 | nameucanreply | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:00.36 | nameucanreply | sorry :) |
| 09:00.38 | nameucanreply | apt-cache says installed packages should be preferred |
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| 09:01.06 | themill | that's not what that output says at all |
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| 09:01.35 | jelly-home | "should be preferred" is a bit different from "dependencies _will_ be pulled from testing if your installation attempt needs them" |
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| 09:02.22 | nameucanreply | I thought *** mark the preferred channel |
| 09:02.32 | nameucanreply | and I'm not installing anything, and no dependencies are unsatisfied |
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| 09:02.54 | nameucanreply | merely it shows all my custom compiled xfce4-* packages as upgradable to testing to same version |
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| 09:04.21 | nkuttler | nameucanreply: btw, your pidgin-libnotify depends on libc6, you're probably mostly running testing by now |
| 09:04.47 | nkuttler | ,v libc6 |
| 09:04.48 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.17-97; sid: 2.17-97; experimental: 2.18-0experimental0 |
| 09:04.50 | nameucanreply | libc6 (>= 2.2) |
| 09:05.02 | nameucanreply | for certain I'm not :) |
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| 09:05.21 | nkuttler | ah, right |
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| 09:06.05 | nameucanreply | apt-get -s upgrade indeed lists upgradable packages from backports, but also warns about xfce4-* packages being kept back |
| 09:06.09 | nameucanreply | I'm just wondering why |
| 09:06.23 | nameucanreply | and if there is anything I can do make it transparent |
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| 09:06.53 | nameucanreply | like, use the current version untill something newer is available |
| 09:07.15 | nameucanreply | though, will it try to upgrade these packages when a newer version is available in testing? |
| 09:07.19 | themill | nameucanreply: mixing stable and testing is the wrong thing to do here. Don't do that and your problem is solved. |
| 09:07.32 | nameucanreply | I'm NOT mixing |
| 09:07.51 | nameucanreply | I've compiled xfce4 packages with apt-get --compile source |
| 09:07.52 | themill | umm.. yes you are here |
| 09:08.02 | bullgard4 | What installs Wheezy a UNIX group Debian-gdm for? With me, it has no operating system user attached. |
| 09:08.39 | nameucanreply | I only use testing for really odd ends, when it leaves no consequences (no other dependencies pulled) |
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| 09:09.12 | nameucanreply | as a fallback if package is not in stable (-updates/-backports) |
| 09:10.36 | jelly-home | and you always, without exception, take care no dependencies get pulled from testing? |
| 09:10.40 | jelly-home | famous last words |
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| 09:14.41 | nameucanreply | I do |
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| 09:15.08 | nameucanreply | this is what I have from testing: brainparty brainparty-data cdebootstrap fonts-lohit-taml-classical pidgin-libnotify steam xul-ext-y-u-no-validate |
| 09:15.41 | nameucanreply | plus the xfce stuff, apt-show-versions --brief says |
| 09:16.38 | nkuttler | ,v brainparty |
| 09:16.38 | judd | Package: brainparty on i386 -- jessie: 0.61+dfsg-1; sid: 0.61+dfsg-1 |
| 09:16.39 | nameucanreply | fun stuff, you should try it :) |
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| 09:16.50 | nkuttler | nameucanreply: anyway, i doubt anybody wants to help you with pinning because most people who ever tried it decided it's a huge mess. |
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| 09:17.28 | nkuttler | with stable anyway |
| 09:17.51 | themill | you'd have to pin each package separately if you didn't want to set up your repositories properly |
| 09:17.57 | nameucanreply | yeah, I agree pinning (as implemented) is a mess in general |
| 09:18.50 | nameucanreply | but why does apt consider xfce packages upgradable? they are the same version and the testing channel is pinned below 500 |
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| 09:20.34 | nameucanreply | so the real question is, how does apt know I didn't install those packages from testing? |
| 09:20.42 | nameucanreply | since they are exactly the same |
| 09:20.51 | nameucanreply | installed with dpkg -i |
| 09:21.29 | themill | they are different packages and apt can tell that |
| 09:22.14 | nameucanreply | how are they different? they are unmodified debian testing source releases |
| 09:22.30 | themill | the binary packages are different |
| 09:22.47 | nameucanreply | oh, you mean the hashes differ? |
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| 09:23.21 | themill | other metadata, actually. |
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| 09:23.55 | nameucanreply | what, for example? |
| 09:24.29 | nameucanreply | sure it doesn't have something to do with the way they were installed? |
| 09:26.00 | themill | !unique package version |
| 09:26.01 | dpkg | The version string on any package should uniquely identify that package. If you make changes to a package, increase the version number (ask me about <compare versions>). apt can sometimes distinguish between packages with the same version based on (installed-size, depends, pre-depends, conflicts, breaks, replaces) but for minor changes apt can miss this. Ask me about <package recompile> <debian/rules>. |
| 09:26.56 | nameucanreply | oh, thanks |
| 09:27.05 | nameucanreply | *sometimes* |
| 09:27.21 | nameucanreply | well, obviously dependencies differ |
| 09:27.31 | nameucanreply | so this is it, then |
| 09:27.51 | themill | fundamentally, your versions shouldn't be the same as the debian package versions and, as stated earlier, you should put the packages in a repo or pin each package separately |
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| 09:28.08 | themill | or don't mix repos. but now we're looping.... |
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| 09:30.06 | nameucanreply | ok, I see |
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| 09:31.17 | nameucanreply | but if I do a version bump to ~bpo, I will experience the same issue, so I would need a repo indeed, but this was a one off thing, I don't want/need to keep/host these debs any longer :/ |
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| 09:34.38 | nameucanreply | what if I create a directory repo with only Release/Packages files, but no debs... would that work, as a hack? :D |
| 09:34.44 | nameucanreply | I'll try it |
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| 09:35.28 | nameucanreply | thanks all |
| 09:36.35 | nameucanreply | btw, I think apt showing packages as upgradable has something to do with priority assigned 400(testing) vs 100(local), and with the rule that only priorities>500 are auto-upgraded, hence the "packages kept back" |
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| 09:36.54 | nameucanreply | something=everything :) |
| 09:37.02 | nameucanreply | well, thanks |
| 09:37.04 | nkuttler | nameucanreply: fwiw, reprepro is pretty easy to use |
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| 09:37.44 | nameucanreply | thank you, I'll look into it |
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| 09:41.15 | nameucanreply | bullgard4: https://www.google.com/search?q="debian-gdm"+group |
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| 10:08.19 | dreinull | any torrent experts here? There are weird leechers around, debian and ubuntu seem affected. |
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| 10:10.56 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | what does that mean? |
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| 10:11.19 | wols | probably someone who leeches but doesn't upload |
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| 10:11.48 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | where to/from? |
| 10:12.05 | rajrajraj | which desktop environment would be smallest in size, but that means less in graphics not in features |
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| 10:12.46 | wols | nothing has as many features/programs as kde and gnome. just can't happen |
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| 10:13.06 | wols | rajrajraj: what is your major constraint? e.g. what hardware do you run it on? |
| 10:13.44 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | rajrajraj: try xfce |
| 10:13.58 | rajrajraj | wols: the hardware i use is intel core i5 |
| 10:14.31 | rajrajraj | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: is it correct link http://archive.xfce.org/xfce/4.10/fat_tarballs/xfce-4.10.tar.bz2 |
| 10:15.00 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | ummm, the xfce part is correct, yeah |
| 10:16.06 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | perhaps you can try to compile in "debian style" from the debian's xfce team: http://pkg-xfce.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 10:16.16 | rajrajraj | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: i am ne to this, i want to download the whole desktop evironment so that i can set up it after debian installation. so the above link to xfce is correct. coz it is 12 MB that surprizes me |
| 10:16.17 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | or with apt-get --build source (see man) |
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| 10:16.43 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | yeah, for a source archive without dependencies, that's enough |
| 10:16.49 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | but it's a SOURCE archive |
| 10:16.58 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | meaning you will have to compile it yourself |
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| 10:17.07 | dreinull | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: well, there are lots of peers with the same ip/subnet who keep clogging the line |
| 10:17.14 | rajrajraj | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: i need a compiled one |
| 10:17.15 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | it may just be easier to issue: apt-get install xfce4 lightdm |
| 10:17.16 | wols | rajrajraj: for a i5 it doesn't matter which one you run. they will all run fine |
| 10:17.16 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | or something |
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| 10:18.00 | dreinull | wols: no, I don't care about just leeching, I care about abuse |
| 10:18.06 | rajrajraj | wols: i need something to be less in size but should have almost all features graphics/look doesnt matter |
| 10:18.15 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | dreinull: what line is that exactly? sorry, I'm new |
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| 10:18.33 | dreinull | which line? |
| 10:18.34 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | xfce is closest to gnome2 as it gets :) |
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| 10:18.51 | wols | dreinull: you haven't written how anything is abused yet |
| 10:18.55 | dreinull | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: oh, line = uplink |
| 10:19.00 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | dreinull: dreinull: "...clogging the line" |
| 10:19.02 | rajrajraj | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: k |
| 10:19.19 | wols | rajrajraj: you need to specifiy the features you want |
| 10:19.56 | divf | I'm trying to reset the channel of my Atheros wifi card via iwconfig but I get a 'Device or resource busy'. Here is the detailed error message -> https://paste.debian.net/74722 |
| 10:20.16 | rajrajraj | wols: i mean it should support bluetooth, wifi, etc |
| 10:20.21 | dreinull | wols: ok, I'm seeding a bunch of debian ubuntu distros and all peers I get come from the same subnet, leeching at high speeds and apparently they never finish their downloads but keep opening up new connections. |
| 10:20.27 | rajrajraj | wols: i dont know the list of features |
| 10:20.54 | wols | if you mean you need GUI frontends for configuring these things, then only gnome and kde will work |
| 10:21.07 | wols | I don't know of any for BT and WLAN for xfce or lxde |
| 10:21.15 | dreinull | wols: doing some research I figured this is happening to debian torrents as well |
| 10:21.16 | divf | Someone doing all the wifi stuff from console and could give me a hint? |
| 10:21.19 | wols | however, a GUI is not needed for either of these two things |
| 10:21.38 | rajrajraj | wols: really gui isnt required for theese thing? |
| 10:21.46 | wols | divf: are you connecting to a AP or is this a ad hoc connection? |
| 10:22.21 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | rajrajraj: wols: xfce runs network-manager-gnome and blueman just fine :) |
| 10:22.37 | rajrajraj | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: k |
| 10:22.47 | wols | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: but it's not xfce. and you then have to install gnome anyways. not what he wants |
| 10:23.07 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | absolutely no dependencies on gnome3 or its bloat! |
| 10:23.35 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | except the libg* perhaps |
| 10:23.46 | divf | wols: I'm trying to build a tool for wireless pathlost analysis via packet injection |
| 10:23.47 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | but those are standalone utilities, not gnome per se :p |
| 10:23.47 | wols | ,depends network-manager-gnome |
| 10:23.49 | judd | Package network-manager-gnome in wheezy/i386 -- depends: gconf-service, libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.4), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.88), libgconf-2-4 (>= 2.31.1), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8), libgnome-bluetooth10 (>= 2.91.2), libgnome-keyring0 (>= 3.2.2-2~), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.0.0), libnm-glib-vpn1 (>= 0.7.999), |
| 10:23.49 | judd | libnm-glib4 (>= 0.9.4.0), libnm-gtk0 (>= 0.9.1.95), libnm-util2 (>= 0.9.4.0), libnotify4 (>= 0.7.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2), network-manager (>= 0.9.4), policykit-1-gnome, gnome-icon-theme, dbus-x11,dpkg (>= 1.15.7.2). |
| 10:24.01 | wols | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: no bloat at all. none, no sir! |
| 10:24.21 | wols | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: if recommends are on as is default, you have gnome after installing this |
| 10:24.48 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | judd: what is gnome gnome exactly? gconf, gobject, libgnome-* |
| 10:24.59 | wols | judd is a bot |
| 10:25.01 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | others are required for any other sensible package anyway :p |
| 10:25.11 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | oh, sorry :D |
| 10:25.56 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | oh, recommends |
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| 10:26.21 | rajrajraj_ | wols: what would you consider as the best Desktop environment without any constraint (i mentioned above) |
| 10:26.37 | wols | !best |
| 10:26.37 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 10:26.59 | wols | rajrajraj_: it's a matter of personal preference. but you shouldn't have any problems to run any DE you want |
| 10:27.18 | rajrajraj_ | wols: what do you prefer |
| 10:27.42 | rajrajraj_ | wols: which one you find easy to operate |
| 10:28.22 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | wols: apt-rdepends -f Depends,PreDepends,Recommends -s Depends,PreDepends,Recommends network-manager-gnome | grep -P ^gnome |
| 10:28.28 | divf | wols: any idea? |
| 10:28.48 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | doesn't list anything gnome other than -icon-theme, -bluetooth, -keyring |
| 10:28.48 | wols | divf: ifconfig wlan0 down maybe before running this command |
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| 10:29.18 | daviddadon | hy |
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| 10:29.57 | divf | wols: no, still the same error message |
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| 10:31.13 | wols | why can't you choose the channel in your program? |
| 10:32.30 | divf | wols: I'm writing the program by myself (python) and I what so set that channel via iwconfig... |
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| 10:33.07 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | divf: is network manager indeed killed? https://www.google.com/search?q=iwconfig+device+busy |
| 10:33.10 | bullgard4 | What installs Wheezy a UNIX group Debian-gdm for? With me, it has no operating system user attached. |
| 10:33.20 | Guest23350 | :( again got disconnected the msg i could see was "wols: apt-rdepends -f Depends,PreDepends,Recommends -s Depends,PreDepends,Recommends network-manager-gnome | grep -P ^gnome " |
| 10:33.54 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | dreinull: what tracker is this? |
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| 10:34.20 | divf | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: I did a service network-manager stop (https://paste.debian.net/74722) |
| 10:34.25 | rajrajraj_ | wols: best in the sense "ease of access and good for a deveoper" |
| 10:34.25 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | bullgard4: https://www.google.com/search?q="debian-gdm"+group |
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| 10:34.43 | dreinull | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: torrent.ubuntu.com |
| 10:35.10 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | rajrajraj_: apt-get install xfce4 and take it for a test drive |
| 10:35.25 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | it's good enough for my mom |
| 10:35.30 | rajrajraj_ | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: cool |
| 10:35.54 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | you'll find it much less resource hungry |
| 10:36.07 | rajrajraj_ | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: ok, thanks |
| 10:36.18 | bullgard4 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: Fail. |
| 10:36.54 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | bullgard4: sorry? |
| 10:37.22 | jelly | bullgard4: was this a fresh installation of wheezy or a system installed earlier and release upgraded from squeeze to wheezy? |
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| 10:38.38 | bullgard4 | jellyA system freshly installed. |
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| 10:39.21 | jelly | bullgard4: which image did you use for installation? |
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| 10:41.22 | bullgard4 | jelly I used a DVD "7.0 wheezy multi-arch install DVD". |
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| 10:41.56 | jelly | bullgard4: okay. That name is reminiscent of gdm. Did you at any point have gdm or gdm3 package installed? |
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| 10:44.43 | bullgard4 | jelly The package »gdm3« is presently installed. I do not remember that I had installed the package »gdm« at any point. |
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| 10:46.36 | jelly | bullgard4: could it be this group is used by package gdm3? |
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| 10:50.42 | bullgard4 | jelly As far as I understand Debian's package installation process, the principal answer is: Yes. |
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| 10:52.41 | babilen | bullgard4: That group is indeed greated by gdm in its postinst script. Do you encounter problems with it? |
| 10:52.48 | jelly | bullgard4: you could try searching for Debian-gdm in the package contents, and its installation scripts |
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| 10:53.58 | bullgard4 | babilen: No, my problem is only heuristic: I'd like to learn why has it been created and what is its function. |
| 10:54.20 | themill | it would perhaps be better to focus on actual problems |
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| 10:56.56 | babilen | bullgard4: I'd recommend to familiarise yourself with the Debian policy (yes, read it in toto) and its packaging system (yes, read the new maintainer's guide) -- that will put you in a position to answer questions like this easily. It would also be much appreciated if you could focus on actual problems in here. |
| 10:57.45 | apm1 | babilen, you said "toto" instead of TOS :p |
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| 10:59.43 | jelly | apm1: I believe "in toto" is a latin/legalese term |
| 10:59.46 | babilen | apm1: I don't quite follow |
| 11:00.04 | jelly | completely, in full |
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| 11:00.21 | babilen | apm1: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/in-toto?q=in+toto |
| 11:00.35 | apm1 | well my bad i mistook it babilen |
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| 11:01.24 | babilen | np :) |
| 11:01.34 | apm1 | jelly, i was talking abt toto the band in OT chan so i thought babilen got distracted and ya know :p |
| 11:02.23 | jelly | makes apm1 listen to the complete Dune movie soundtrack for penance |
| 11:02.59 | apm1 | :) |
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| 11:11.07 | sandGorgon | anyone know what happened with the systemd decision ? the bug doesnt seem to be updated |
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| 11:17.10 | babilen | sandGorgon: Check the -ctte mailing list. Last mail was sent on Mon, 6 Jan 2014 14:58:32 +0000 |
| 11:17.33 | jelly | sandGorgon: some of it's been in the news, too http://lwn.net/Articles/578208/ |
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| 11:32.58 | sandGorgon | babilen, actually I looked directly at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 and there is no update beyond msg #3145 |
| 11:33.47 | jelly | sandGorgon: nah, go to http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.ctte or some other archive of the list |
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| 11:37.58 | JZA | hi how can I use apt-get/cache to get the package long detail? |
| 11:38.22 | JIghtuse | apt-cache show |
| 11:38.23 | JZA | apt-cache search werkzeug gives me the quick description |
| 11:38.38 | JZA | thanks |
| 11:39.03 | babilen | JZA: Read apt-cache(8) -- man 8 apt-cache |
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| 11:40.01 | JIghtuse | hehe |
| 11:40.46 | JIghtuse | who needs manual when you can connect to chat and ask for help.. |
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| 12:06.05 | bluesceada | anyone can tell me a good mindmapping/graphing tool that allows "cross references" or drawing a real graph (not just a tree...) |
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| 12:06.47 | bluesceada | i tried freemind, but I require some cross-referencing between the leafs/childs |
| 12:06.47 | bp_ | graphviz? |
| 12:06.48 | bp_ | although it's not very "agile" |
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| 12:07.13 | bluesceada | bp_: yeah it should be not for publishing but assisting the thought-process ... |
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| 12:10.49 | JIghtuse | how about |
| 12:10.49 | JIghtuse | vym - mindmapping tool |
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| 12:11.42 | JIghtuse | just searched for 'mindmap' on apt-cache |
| 12:11.52 | bluesceada | JIghtuse: it is a classical mind map, doesnt allow cross references :S |
| 12:11.58 | bluesceada | that looks good https://people.gnome.org/~dscorgie/screenshots.html |
| 12:12.03 | bluesceada | but seems quite abandoned ... |
| 12:12.13 | bluesceada | https://people.gnome.org/~dscorgie/s/Lab-Extended.png |
| 12:12.13 | JIghtuse | oh, I see |
| 12:13.37 | berarma | you can use dia or the like |
| 12:14.06 | bluesceada | it doesnt even auto-size the elements to their text :S |
| 12:14.10 | JIghtuse | that looks proprietary, but has 'free' version http://www.xmind.net/ |
| 12:14.14 | bluesceada | i dont want to fiddle with such things |
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| 12:14.26 | bluesceada | ok xmind .. let's see... |
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| 12:24.34 | JIghtuse | oh, xmind is not longer commercial |
| 12:24.48 | JIghtuse | since 2008 in fact |
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| 12:25.51 | JIghtuse | bluesceada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mind_mapping_software |
| 12:25.52 | misternanyte | why does debian suck so hard? |
| 12:26.35 | av0idz | debian is great :) |
| 12:26.54 | misternanyte | no it isn't it's bloated |
| 12:27.15 | JIghtuse | what |
| 12:27.15 | wols | misternanyte: cause you use the wrong packages |
| 12:27.15 | av0idz | :o |
| 12:27.15 | wols | there also is emdebian |
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| 12:27.25 | berarma | please ignore him |
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| 12:27.34 | av0idz | and you dont need window managers :) which are mostly bloated |
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| 12:28.09 | misternanyte | berarma is obviously the type of person who in the day of white supremacist rule, would kill any black she was told to kill. |
| 12:28.34 | misternanyte | because she does what everyone else is doing, and thinks basically chastising everyone she doesn't agree with is going to make her a good person. |
| 12:28.54 | misternanyte | avoidz, you do realize debian isn't the shareholder of window managers... |
| 12:29.14 | misternanyte | wols, i uset he right packages, and that's the problem. They suck. |
| 12:29.23 | misternanyte | debian is full of fucking backdoors because they use non-free software |
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| 12:29.46 | av0idz | sorry misternanyte im not out for an talk like that, bye |
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| 12:29.56 | misternanyte | fuck you nigger. |
| 12:29.58 | berarma | JIghtuse: the pro version is commercial |
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| 12:30.51 | JIghtuse | berarma: yes, I see. As I understand, basic version is free and open-source |
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| 12:31.47 | Guest830 | I'm on Debian Live CD, I want "sudo su" to ask for password. I've followed a guide and added PASSWD to /etc/sudoers via visudo. But that does not work. Any help? |
| 12:32.46 | Thraul | run bash at the terminal for the sudo updates to take effect in a new terminal. cause you are using live cd it takes the settings loaded |
| 12:33.15 | av0idz | service sudo restart ? |
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| 12:34.23 | Guest830 | Thraul: av0idz: same result |
| 12:34.54 | ChrisH | Guest830: for curisosity why do you want to do that? |
| 12:35.05 | berarma | Guest830: what happens now when you run "sudo su"? |
| 12:35.46 | av0idz | than you edited the sudoers file in a wrong way... anywhere in there find NOPASSWD and rename this to ALL |
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| 12:36.08 | av0idz | that should do the trick, though its not clear why you want to do that anyway on live version |
| 12:36.26 | Guest830 | sudo su gives me root shell |
| 12:36.38 | av0idz | thats ok Guest830 |
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| 12:43.18 | yang | will keyboard/mouse still work without "console-kit-daemon" that one is taking up RAM when being started... |
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| 12:49.16 | Akano | Greetings, i have a VM being reached externally via SSH, pop, smtp. Im able to nmap it and find all the ports opened. My problem here is that its missing port 80 and 443, what are the rules to open this ports? this is my iptables file on host side, http://pastie.org/8609790 |
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| 12:50.49 | koollman | Akano: this does not seem to be the rules restricting access. there is something else filtering or limiting you |
| 12:51.02 | av0idz | Akano the entry "-A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT" is two times in there but that shouldnt cause the problem though |
| 12:51.49 | Akano | koollman, thats gives me a relief since i've been diggin iptables all this time, what else could be related to this? |
| 12:51.56 | Deeps | you'er permitting port 445 instead of port 443, mind |
| 12:51.57 | Akano | av0idz, thanks going to check that out |
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| 12:52.16 | Akano | Deeps, oh didnt noticed also, thanks! |
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| 12:52.25 | koollman | Akano: are there rules inside the vm ? (I assume this is 'outside', since there's vboxnet0) |
| 12:52.38 | av0idz | np Akano though first rule match base so should be not a problem to have a rule twice |
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| 12:53.21 | berarma | Akano: have you checked the obvious? is there something listening on those ports? Can you connect locally? |
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| 12:53.52 | Akano | koollman, thats exactly it, on the VM it is everything fine, since it was working properly before i migrated this *.vdi |
| 12:54.26 | Akano | berarma, listening outside or inside the VM? |
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| 12:54.36 | kukac | Hi, why iceweasel javascript is terribly slow compared to chrome on the same system? |
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| 12:57.37 | kukac | And firefox on windows is also snappy. Is there a special debian extension in it? |
| 12:57.53 | kukac | I mean in iceweasel. |
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| 13:01.13 | aguitel | i installed firefox (tar.bz2) from mozilla site, is more stable than iceweasel package? |
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| 13:01.49 | aguitel | i asked this coz iceweasel close many times and not the other |
| 13:01.50 | utente | kukac, maybe because the java interpreter of chrome is better than the iceweasel one. |
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| 13:03.06 | mrtnt | Am I correct that IPMI support on server needs a physical chip on server motherboard? |
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| 13:03.47 | Tharns | good afternoon. I have a partition problem and would like to change my root password. I can boot from a rescue disk, but I don't know how to reset my root password. Is it possible ? |
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| 13:05.10 | Absolute0 | Is it possible for me to quickly find the last modified file to edit without creating a complicated pipe chain of ls and grep commands? |
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| 13:05.51 | stew | mrtnt: yes, and a dedicated ethernet port |
| 13:06.17 | Absolute0 | vim `ls -t|head -n 1` is the best I can do? |
| 13:06.29 | stew | mrtnt: since it lets you do things like power the computer on when its off, or check the temperature when the computer is off, it clearly can't just be a software solution |
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| 13:06.47 | Absolute0 | not so complicated :) |
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| 13:07.18 | berarma | Absolute0: is that a complicated pipe chain? |
| 13:07.31 | Absolute0 | berarma: i spoke before I thought. |
| 13:07.36 | Akano | berarma, there are no listening ports on 80, but i've found the following issue, when i nmap VM internal IP it shows all the ports opened related to that VM, but if i nmap the external IP of this VM, it shows the opened ports of the host itself and not the VM |
| 13:07.42 | berarma | ok :-) |
| 13:07.52 | kukac | utente: if iceweasel is a repackaged version of firefox, why firefox is snappy and iceweasel slow for some kind of javascript? I don't think that the javascript engines were different... |
| 13:10.06 | utente | kukac, i have ho answer for that |
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| 13:13.05 | wols | !tell Tharns about i forgot root's password |
| 13:13.15 | Guest830 | Absolute0: http://askubuntu.com/a/61180 |
| 13:13.36 | wols | Akano: VMs play stupid games with network interfaces. |
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| 13:13.55 | Absolute0 | Guest830: I prefer my solution. |
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| 13:15.29 | Tharns | thank you wols. I tried to boot in single mode, but it still tried to mount partitions and asked my root password for maintenance. I'll try the "init=/bin/sh' |
| 13:15.36 | kukac | Is there somebody who could help me to check if only my iceweasel is slow with some kind of javascript or it is a common problem? I constated that firefox on windows with the aformentioned script is 500x times faster than on debian with iceweasel. |
| 13:15.45 | mrtnt | stew: ok, I see. Thanks! One more thing- I saw a following crontab command "ipmitool mc watchdog reset". As I understand, it starts the watchdog timer and once it will reach 0, the system will reboot. However, what parameters does this watchdog check? |
| 13:15.54 | kukac | So to check if it is my system or a general problem.... |
| 13:16.07 | Akano | wols, oh yea they do, worst is when you have clients pressuring you while VM remembers to troll you! |
| 13:16.19 | Akano | im not able to telnet port 80 or 443 of this VM |
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| 13:17.39 | zathras | kubac: wild guess: the page you encounter problems with has flash on it |
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| 13:18.31 | zathras | *kukac |
| 13:19.06 | kukac | zathras: no, it has no flash. It is a little simulation program I wrote. Would you like to check it to see if you encounter the same problem than me? |
| 13:19.44 | zathras | I rather not as I am already stretching this machine atm and hate to admit I am running Windows now |
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| 13:20.38 | kukac | zathras: thanks for your reply |
| 13:21.04 | zathras | kukac, it is hard to compare things. For instance not only the webbrowser is different. There is also another OS, network driver, maybe a different network config, etc etc etc |
| 13:21.20 | zathras | although 500 times sounds as a lot |
| 13:21.46 | zathras | have you tried an alternative browser on Debian? Does it perform as bad as Iceweasel? |
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| 13:23.05 | kukac | zathras: I tried with chromium and worked like charm. The performance was similar under firefox on windows, but not the ice*** family on debian. |
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| 13:24.50 | zathras | so it is not your system or something general, but more likely ice*** related. So: run iceweasel from commandline and see it's output. Maybe that will be informative |
| 13:24.54 | kukac | zathras: I'd report a bug if it is a debian problem, but I would like to get a confirmation first. |
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| 13:25.46 | kukac | zathras: btw, I tested on windows under virtualbox, but it performed quite well. |
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| 13:26.47 | kukac | zathras: I have to leave now, but if somebody has the willingness to test it, here is the link: http://tinstall.hu/szimulacio/simulation.html |
| 13:27.09 | kukac | zathras: at the bottom of the page, the generation time is reported. |
| 13:27.35 | Trewas666 | kukac: is the iceweasel version you tested old compared to firefox? |
| 13:27.44 | kukac | zathras: mine is about 100000 on iceweasel and 300 on the other systems and browsers |
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| 13:28.16 | kukac | zathras: the same: 26 |
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| 13:36.23 | zathras | kukac, had to do something else. Now checking the site. But like I said on an overstretched system |
| 13:36.33 | zathras | site seems to take for ages |
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| 13:39.11 | Enissay | What is the exact name of the python3.3 package please... I'm trying to install it on my 7.1 server |
| 13:39.43 | iceroot | Enissay: maybe apt-cache search python 3.3 helps? |
| 13:39.46 | ksk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.47 | AimHere | Enissay, using synaptic or apt-cache search |
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| 13:39.53 | ksk | err, sorry |
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| 13:40.43 | sveajobb | Hi, I just upgraded some packets (wheezy) and now the flash plugin seems to "crash" in chromium. Meaning the flash application goes blank after awhile and stops responding. Everything works fine in iceweasel though. Any pointers? |
| 13:40.57 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | Enissay: python3.3, but it's only in testing+ |
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| 13:41.52 | iceroot | sveajobb: chromium is not using the flashplugin, it has its own flash implementation |
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| 13:42.24 | sveajobb | iceroot, hmmm. interesting.. anyone else using chromium and getting similar results then? :) |
| 13:42.57 | sveajobb | this is the only line I get that remotely looks like an error (from chromium) "Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 13:45.12 | zathras | flash comes from the dungons of Mordor. There is also no such thing as Flash on Debian. Various implementations/configurations exist |
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| 13:46.12 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | sveajobb: apt-file find libvdpau_nvidia.so |
| 13:46.24 | hassen | using irssi over ssh in my other win7 PC has a special taste :)using irssi over ssh in my other win7 PC has a special taste :) |
| 13:46.29 | rajrajraj | i have installed debian wheezy base system, but couldnot configure wlan, so i am unable to connect to internet in it, i want to install a gui on it. is there a way to do that in offline mode? |
| 13:46.31 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | apt-file update before that :) |
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| 13:47.53 | sveajobb | zathras, so what do you suggest then :) |
| 13:47.56 | gaffa | rajrajraj; don't have cable? you could try apt-offline. |
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| 13:48.13 | iceroot | the world would be a better place without flash |
| 13:48.23 | sveajobb | sure would... |
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| 13:49.52 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | kukac: for me, the script takes about the same (several "script takes a long time" warnings before killed) on both, iceweasel17 and firefox26 with a clean profile |
| 13:50.36 | rajrajraj | gaffa: i need a desktop environment link to download which can be in a usb , and then a step by step procees to install it in the debian wheezt 7 |
| 13:50.57 | sveajobb | Aaaaaah! I don't want to use iceweasel! |
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| 13:51.41 | JuanDaugherty | anybody encountered problem with xalan/xerces on multiarch? |
| 13:52.05 | ChrisH | Is there any chance to get from an installed system where grub2 did install itself? 3 disks with partions to choose from |
| 13:52.12 | zathras | kukac: Generation time: 231603 |
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| 13:52.34 | JuanDaugherty | ChrisH, get from? |
| 13:52.34 | gaffa | rajrajraj; apt-offline scans your offline system and then you use apt-offline on an online system to fetch the packages you need to a USB stick. |
| 13:52.34 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | kukac: but it may have something to do with about:buildconfig different in both releases |
| 13:53.10 | zathras | kukac is probably offline |
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| 13:53.58 | rajrajraj | gaffa: gaffa i dont have an online debian system around, so i just need the package in usb stick |
| 13:54.42 | ChrisH | JuanDaugherty: yes. check a logfile, configfile or execute some medium-magic command to get the place where the bootloader is placed. |
| 13:54.57 | gaffa | No online Linux system at all? |
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| 13:55.52 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | ChrishH, if you want to choose to boot from another disk, add https://paste.debian.net/74744/ as /etc/grub.d/90_boot_next_drive and sudo update-grub (on each disk that has grub2 bootloader) |
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| 13:57.09 | ChrisH | my system is running and I want to know which disk currently contains the boot loader as I want to reuse one of the disk |
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| 13:58.02 | gaffa | rajrajraj; I can do it if I get paid, otherwise you could put the appropriate Debian iso's on a USB stick and mount them and add them to sources on the offline machine |
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| 13:58.50 | JuanDaugherty | ChrisH, the bootloader is in as special location on whatever media |
| 13:58.58 | JuanDaugherty | normally the first sector |
| 13:59.23 | JuanDaugherty | the one that is an interface between the os and bios |
| 13:59.36 | JuanDaugherty | the OS loader in debian is normally in /boot |
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| 13:59.58 | JuanDaugherty | which can be whereever it was set to mount but normally in the root fs |
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| 14:01.28 | ChrisH | JuanDaugherty: I know how grub works and my question is: How do I determine from which disk/partition was the initial boot loader loaded? In lilo days this was simple a lookup in a config file. |
| 14:02.18 | abrotman | ChrisH: Does it matter? Doesn't grub read its actual config from the filesystem? |
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| 14:02.29 | wols | ChrisH: this info is afaik not available |
| 14:02.36 | JuanDaugherty | use fdisk figure it out |
| 14:02.57 | wols | grub uses a command line parameter to decide where to install itself, lilo used a config file which why you could look it up |
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| 14:03.07 | wols | JuanDaugherty: fdisk will not help |
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| 14:03.55 | wols | you can read in the first sector of all disks and partitions: if you find the string grub (or maybe GRUB) in there, you know it's a grub bootsector. but any of these can contain this and then you don't know which one is used to start |
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| 14:09.07 | sveajobb | is it possible to install an old version of a package (from the online repository). I want to revert to a previous state, which worked.... |
| 14:09.43 | iceroot | sveajobb: in the repos there is always only one version of a package |
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| 14:09.59 | sveajobb | iceroot, just what I thought :\ thanks |
| 14:10.07 | wols | sveajobb: dpkg -i package.deb |
| 14:10.38 | wols | sveajobb: you can for example put squeeze repos in your sources.list even when you run wheezy and install it |
| 14:10.54 | sveajobb | wols, yeah, but I have to get the package from somewhere. |
| 14:10.57 | wols | or just use dpjg -i and then set the package on hold so it doesn't get overwritten |
| 14:11.05 | wols | sveajobb: what package and version do you need? |
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| 14:11.26 | sveajobb | wols, the chromium browser, and I guess the one previous to the current one |
| 14:11.45 | wols | packages.debian.org and snapshot.debian.net both hold package files you can download |
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| 14:11.55 | wols | sveajobb: which debian are you running? |
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| 14:12.18 | sveajobb | wols, wheezy |
| 14:12.56 | ChrisH | abrotman: it does, but you need the inital bootloader at least one disk. |
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| 14:13.28 | ChrisH | wols: I assumed its not possible. I will try to read the first 512byes and use strings to check the content. |
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| 14:15.24 | ChrisH | wols: dd if=/dev/sdX of=/tmp/sdX.boot bs=512 count=1 ; file /tmp/sdX.boot ; shows its on sda |
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| 14:16.18 | wols | ChrisH: are you sure? a similar sector could be on sda1, sda2, sdb, etc. only if you checked all of them and only found it on sda only you can be sure |
| 14:16.24 | wols | of course sda is the most logical and default one |
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| 14:18.09 | ChrisH | wols: I normally do not install grub into partitions... but as a coding excerise I will check that |
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| 14:22.02 | linuxator | utube videos don't work and i get ' an error occurred 'instead.how to fix this? |
| 14:22.09 | ChrisH | wols: still only sda reports x86 boot sector; GRand Unified Bootloader... |
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| 14:23.11 | veek | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=175018 how do i get the patches to this bug on my wheezy |
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| 14:23.33 | veek | can i apply then via apt-get |
| 14:24.01 | zathras | veek: debian is not redhat |
| 14:24.31 | veek | can you do that using yum?? |
| 14:24.41 | Enissay_ | iceroot, IlIlIlIlIlIlI, ow, I just meant 3.x... So python3.2 does the job... Thanks guyz <3 |
| 14:24.43 | veek | i thought yum was horrid |
| 14:24.50 | zathras | the bug is from 2005/2007 so it should be no longer relevant |
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| 14:25.35 | veek | ah hmm.. then why is my xfontsel broken and xman says "No App-Defaults file" |
| 14:25.49 | zathras | yum/rpm is for redhat. apt is for debian. Do not try to fix things veem |
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| 14:26.24 | zathras | stares into his kristal ball |
| 14:27.08 | veek | how does one go about fixing this problem on debian? |
| 14:27.54 | veek | Oo server fault |
| 14:27.59 | zathras | like on any other distro: check logs, check error reports in bugbase of the distro used and google a bit. If questions remain: ask here with plenty of detail |
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| 14:28.21 | veek | zathras stick with your kristal ball sweetie |
| 14:28.30 | zathras | *ask here: only applies when using Debian :P |
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| 14:29.24 | mns | veek: in what was is xfontsel broken ? |
| 14:31.31 | jelly | way* |
| 14:32.16 | jelly | veek: which debian release did you install? Does the file /etc/X11/app-defaults/XFontSel exist? |
| 14:32.17 | veek | mns the entire xorg-x11-utils seems to be broken - in xfontsel i get 'field1' 'field2' 'dash' etc and it's a 204x252 window |
| 14:32.37 | wols | ChrisH: if only one sector has it, then you now know it's where grub is installed |
| 14:32.37 | jelly | veek: consider the possibility that the error message is correct, and not a bug per se |
| 14:32.43 | veek | when i run xman i get "Warning: app-defaults file not properly installed." |
| 14:32.46 | veek | i'm on wheezy |
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| 14:33.21 | mns | veek: do you see anything in /etc/X11/app-defaults ? |
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| 14:34.10 | mns | veek: do you have x11-utils installed ? |
| 14:34.13 | veek | mns yep and Xman has some text in it |
| 14:34.58 | veek | ii x11-utils 7.7~1 amd64 X11 utilities -- so yes |
| 14:35.23 | jelly | veek: pastebin the output of "env" and "strace -eopen xfontsel", please |
| 14:35.27 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:35.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 14:36.35 | jelly | veek: did you mess with your environment variables in any way? XAPPLRESDIR in particular |
| 14:38.40 | veek | http://paste.debian.net/74759/ |
| 14:38.53 | mns | veek: try re-installing x11-utils and x11-apps, maybe there was something wrong during the install ? does /etc/X11/app-defaults/Xman exist ? what is the size of the file ? |
| 14:39.00 | veek | jelly, nope but i'm using 64 bit for the first time |
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| 14:39.28 | veek | so maybe my cfg files are br0ken |
| 14:39.31 | jelly | veek: you have XAPPLRESDIR=/root/app-defaults set |
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| 14:39.47 | jelly | veek: congrats, the foot is successfully shot |
| 14:39.48 | hellofriend | hi |
| 14:40.03 | hellofriend | Anyone here coul answer me a few Debian installation questions? |
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| 14:40.36 | babilen | hellofriend: Only those that are being asked ;) |
| 14:40.49 | babilen | (our crystal balls are good, but not quite that good) |
| 14:41.04 | veek | ugh .profile:export XAPPLRESDIR=~/app-defaults |
| 14:41.36 | hellofriend | Sorry. I wanted to download Debian today, and I go here for the torrent http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/bt-cd/ do I have to download all 8 ISO files? |
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| 14:42.05 | wols | hellofriend: no, only the first |
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| 14:42.09 | zathras | hellofriend, no, just the first one if you have internet access |
| 14:42.13 | wols | !tell hellofriend about ig |
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| 14:42.18 | wols | zathras: even without |
| 14:42.39 | zathras | wols, true, but that would limit the package selection |
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| 14:43.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell hellofriend -about install debian |
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| 14:44.08 | bilegt | I wanted to run a shell script at startup and it's working well when I start it like "sudo /etc/init.d/myscript start", but when I do "sudo service myscript start" it won't work |
| 14:44.40 | babilen | hellofriend: If you have a working internet connection you typically need only the netinstall image and I would recommend to the one with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware image) -- Do you know if you want to install a desktop environment and if so which? (Gnome, KDE, XFCE, LXDE are on offer) |
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| 14:45.38 | hellofriend | I have not decded between gnome or kde |
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| 14:45.54 | wols | hellofriend: you can install both. or neither :) |
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| 14:47.16 | hellofriend | I think i should, I can't use pure command line very well. |
| 14:47.17 | zathras | or download a live CD/DVD and see what you like best |
| 14:47.18 | babilen | hellofriend: Well, you have to make a choice at one point, but you can easily have both installed at the same time. You cannot, however, install them both during the initial installation. Gnome will be installed by default. |
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| 14:48.13 | hellofriend | Oh ok, I can use debian with gnome then, and try KDE later. is it possible to install it with a usb pendrive? |
| 14:48.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell hellofriend -about usb install |
| 14:49.12 | hellofriend | ooh thanks for that i didnt notice dpkg messages |
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| 14:49.31 | babilen | hellofriend: Sure! Do you have a decent internet connection? On what kind of hardware are you planning to install Debian? Which OS are you using right now? (e.g. Windows, different Linux distribution, OSX, OS/2, ...) |
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| 14:49.49 | babilen | hellofriend: But you did see the messages our bot sent you now? |
| 14:49.55 | FiLoSsOfIe | ce fac puturosiiiiii ? |
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| 14:50.21 | afidegnum | any open source conference tool for Debian Squeeze? |
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| 14:50.32 | SirLagz | afidegnum: conference as in ? |
| 14:50.36 | SirLagz | video conference ? |
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| 14:50.44 | afidegnum | yes, video conference |
| 14:50.55 | babilen | was about to provide information about penta :) |
| 14:50.57 | hellofriend | I have a 3mbps connection, windows 8 :( I have a AMD FX-6100 cpu, 8GB ram, and 2 HD Radeon 7850 |
| 14:51.25 | hellofriend | yes babilon i saw the messages |
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| 14:52.16 | babilen | hellofriend: Okay, in that case I would recommend to download the amd64 (64bit Intel/AMD processors) image *with* firmware from the link dpkg will tell you about in a minute and write it to your USB stick with the win32imagewriter linked earlier. It will download everything it needs during the installation. |
| 14:52.17 | afidegnum | SirLagz: any idea? |
| 14:52.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell hellofriend -about firmware image |
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| 14:52.48 | hellofriend | thanks |
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| 14:53.43 | Tom01 | opened windows are suddenly automatically closing |
| 14:53.49 | Tom01 | what couls be the reason? |
| 14:53.57 | Tom01 | using Gnome |
| 14:54.32 | edheldil_ | Hi all, any idea why is dpkg-source ignoring an *existing* orig.tar.xz (or .gz)? It says dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no upstream tarball found at ../python-requests-oauthlib_0.3.3.orig.tar.{bz2,gz,lzma,xz} ; but: ls ../python-requests-oauthlib_0.3.3.orig.tar.{bz2,gz,lzma,xz} show that it exists (and is readable, ...) |
| 14:54.40 | babilen | hellofriend: Anything else we can help you with? You might be interested in <install gnome> and <install kde> too and I would strongly recommend to read the excellent (and free!) Debian Handbook in due course -- http://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 14:54.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell edheldil_ -about mentors |
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| 14:55.56 | edheldil_ | thank you |
| 14:56.41 | bilegt | I wanted to run a shell script at startup and it's working well when I start it like "sudo /etc/init.d/myscript start", but when I do "sudo service myscript start" it won't work? anyone? |
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| 15:01.07 | zathras | afidegnum, try Apache's OpenMeetings |
| 15:01.10 | zathras | but there is no Debian package for it :-( |
| 15:01.27 | afidegnum | zathras: is it part of apache web server? |
| 15:01.50 | zathras | afidegnum, no it is not |
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| 15:02.31 | afidegnum | but part of apache fondation right ? |
| 15:02.31 | zathras | Apache as in Apache Foundation. Apache HTTPd is their best known project but there are many more |
| 15:02.31 | laigualdad | afidegnum |
| 15:02.37 | laigualdad | i have the best luck with WebRTC |
| 15:02.38 | afidegnum | laigualdad: yes |
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| 15:02.38 | laigualdad | no install needed |
| 15:02.38 | laigualdad | for example talky.io and vline.com |
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| 15:04.23 | laigualdad | afidegum Maybe https://chatb.org/ as well but i prefer vline |
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| 15:04.46 | laigualdad | it uses HTML5 |
| 15:04.47 | afidegnum | I just need something open source |
| 15:04.53 | afidegnum | No payment needed :) |
| 15:04.58 | laigualdad | it is open source, and BSD license |
| 15:05.01 | laigualdad | also no payment |
| 15:05.08 | afidegnum | I will install it on my server and run it :) |
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| 15:05.17 | afidegnum | how many users maximum ? |
| 15:05.37 | laigualdad | oh oh ok, yeah google webrtc you can probably implement it yourself |
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| 15:06.37 | laigualdad | im not sure |
| 15:06.39 | laigualdad | as far as how many |
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| 15:08.21 | laigualdad | afidegum - re: max number of users https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20243233/maximum-number-of-users-in-room |
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| 15:09.51 | afidegnum | laigualdad: euh,I need a ready to deploy app :) |
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| 15:10.42 | afidegnum | meawhile webRTC does'nt have the central server to create sub channels like we do see in other video conference apps? |
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| 15:11.01 | laigualdad | oh, if you want something ready to use, i just use the vline website, i dont know anything else soz |
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| 15:12.45 | laigualdad | webrtc is just a videoconferencing technology, afaik |
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| 15:19.23 | afidegnum | laigualdad: thanks let me read more about it, is it installable via apt-get ? |
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| 15:22.52 | laigualdad | as far as how to implement webrtc on your own server, ummm.. i do see a couple libraries for webrtc - libwebrtc-audio-processing-0 and libwebrtc-audio-processing-dev but thats all i see there -- mind you, am running debian stable, so i might be behind times |
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| 15:23.48 | laigualdad | remember though it is all in HTML5 |
| 15:24.19 | laigualdad | but yeah i would def read more about it :) |
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| 15:24.34 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 15:24.51 | laigualdad | hope that helps x) |
| 15:24.54 | afidegnum | it seems there is no widely used video conference app for debian! |
| 15:25.05 | afidegnum | I will try reading to see what can be done |
| 15:26.25 | laigualdad | for debian, jitsi is an up and coming VOIP/SIP client that will probably do quite well, has video, but it is not stable yet in my experience |
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| 15:26.31 | laigualdad | i think it has potential to replace skype |
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| 15:29.07 | iceroot | laigualdad: i dont think so, you can not remove the evil things that easy (whatsapp, facebook, skype, flash, windows) |
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| 15:29.43 | iceroot | most of the people will still use skype so it does not matter if he have the coolest GNU/voip-video if all the others are using skype |
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| 15:30.34 | laigualdad | iceroot if we have a working alternative then with time and efforts to convert, people will use it |
| 15:30.41 | laigualdad | imo |
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| 15:30.59 | iceroot | like libreoffice vs ms office? |
| 15:31.28 | laigualdad | i think people use MS Office because it is in businesses and govt institutions |
| 15:31.52 | iceroot | laigualdad: i hope you are right but i dont see how skype and other evil non-free-nsa stuff will be replaced |
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| 15:32.56 | Togusa | the average person doesn't even care about his online privacy and rights (sadly) |
| 15:33.14 | laigualdad | i would just say it needs time and persuasion - but in the case of Libre Office, we need people installing that on office workers computers by default instead of ms office |
| 15:33.34 | laigualdad | there would probably be an issue with the file formats |
| 15:33.38 | Togusa | libre office is at least compatible |
| 15:33.42 | Togusa | there's nothing compatible with skype |
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| 15:33.56 | av0idz | well this is not an debian related question, but does anyone know what syntax ist used for autosendcmds when using special chars like $ ? |
| 15:34.34 | laigualdad | togusa - i guess a lot of people just see the internet as an imaginary place |
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| 15:35.07 | laigualdad | in my experience at least, and maybe that is why they dont care so much |
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| 15:36.43 | hassen | whats the keystroke that changes the current keyboard layout according to the next language in the user list? |
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| 15:37.34 | sweb | i'm install debian fresh 7.3 |
| 15:37.44 | iceroot | laigualdad: Togusa imo it is first more important to show people that GNU/Linux is the best choice because it is free (as in free speech) and not free (as in free beer). A lot of people choose GNU/Linux because it does not cost money |
| 15:37.46 | sweb | but postsysadmin on datacenter give me this email |
| 15:37.56 | sweb | our monitoring system show that there is a network flood from one of your instances. |
| 15:38.02 | sweb | OUTDOS ALERT! SOURCE IP: 188.164.131.111 - TARGET IP: 14.17.71.19, Packets per seconds: 113661.58 - Duration 154 |
| 15:38.07 | sweb | what's the problem ? |
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| 15:38.42 | jelly | sweb: your machine is being used to generate probably malicious traffic |
| 15:38.46 | Togusa | iceroot: it is not wrong to use something just because it is free of charge |
| 15:38.52 | tgs3_ | sweb: it looks like if your computer is sending lots of packages to that other IP and some software thinks it looks like spam |
| 15:39.06 | jelly | 100kpps is a bit excessive |
| 15:39.06 | iceroot | Togusa: of course not |
| 15:39.07 | sweb | i'm not install anything !!! fresh server 1!1 |
| 15:39.09 | sweb | !!! |
| 15:39.09 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 15:39.12 | Togusa | a computer is just a tool for many people, and you can't pretend to change it |
| 15:39.15 | tgs3_ | sweb: you get taht from alone linux computer, or is that some nat |
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| 15:39.16 | Togusa | you dont' have to |
| 15:39.22 | jelly | sweb: how did you install it? |
| 15:39.35 | sweb | netinstall from iso using cloudstack |
| 15:39.42 | sweb | debian iso on datascenter |
| 15:39.44 | jelly | sweb: which iso? |
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| 15:39.59 | sweb | netinst 7.3 x64 |
| 15:41.06 | jelly | sweb: the official one? Did you set up a sufficiently secure user and root password? |
| 15:41.16 | sweb | yep ... i'm using generated password for root |
| 15:41.19 | sweb | i'm on nethogs |
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| 15:41.21 | sweb | i cat see anything but ssh !!! |
| 15:41.38 | sweb | it seems everything okey |
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| 15:44.21 | jelly | sweb: I do not know what nethogs is. What about tcpdump? Depending on the network setup, the source might be some other machine in the same segment, faking your ip address. |
| 15:44.43 | pbn | Hello, in Debian 7.x, to change a server's IP address, do I just edit /etc/network/interfaces, or is it something with NetworkManager ? |
| 15:46.05 | JohnA | I am running in to an odd problem when trying to setup a server using jessie. my intent is to create a headless system, in operation the hardware has no dvd/cd drive, no KB or monitor. During install a portable USB CD drive is attached and a net install cd is used. after install is complete the CD drive is removed. |
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| 15:47.17 | ChrisH | pbn: depends on how you did the inital config. can be both. check /etc/network/interfaces and if the IP is static in there change it there |
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| 15:47.42 | iceroot | so mayne ssl bugs in the past :( |
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| 15:48.22 | JohnA | wiith the cd drive in place the system bots no problem, without the cd drive I get "mdadm: no devices listed in conf file were found", "Volume group "vg0" not found", unable to find LVM volume vg0/root" |
| 15:48.52 | pbn | ChrisH: it is in /etc/network/interfaces, and it is not commented, so I suppose NetworkManager isn't installed |
| 15:48.57 | JohnA | what have I done wrong here? previous installs on similar system - no problem. |
| 15:49.15 | ChrisH | JohnA: sounds like the initrd is not OK |
| 15:49.47 | jhutchins | JohnA: Your LVM setup assumed that the drive it was booted from was root. |
| 15:49.59 | jhutchins | JohnA: I would recommend reinstalling WITHOUT LVM. |
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| 15:51.08 | JohnA | ChrisH: that was my first though, but why does the system start noramlly with the usb cd drive connected, nad crash when it removed? |
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| 15:51.12 | jelly | lvm rules! |
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| 15:52.23 | jelly | JohnA: the installer has generated an incorrect mdadm.conf, so the md array does not get started at boot |
| 15:52.37 | ChrisH | JohnA: dunno what is in your initrd. some reference to the external disk. |
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| 15:53.02 | JohnA | jhutchins: I would prefer to keep LVM, it makes managing the storage easier |
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| 15:53.32 | jelly | JohnA: boot from a liveusb/livecd, mount and chroot into your system, remove device= references in ARRAY definitions in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, regenerate the initramfs image and hope for the best |
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| 15:54.08 | JohnA | jelly: agreed it certainly looks that way but why does the presence or absence of the damn USB cd rive make any diffeernce |
| 15:54.33 | jelly | JohnA: order of /dev/sd* probably changes |
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| 15:55.05 | jelly | and mdadm.conf errorneously contains references to /dev/sd* devices |
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| 16:00.21 | jelly | JohnA: weird. care to pastebin it? |
| 16:01.10 | JohnA | does debian treat a usb flash drive differently to a USB CD drive |
| 16:01.15 | JohnA | jelly: it? |
| 16:01.18 | jelly | JohnA: hopefully yes |
| 16:01.22 | jelly | JohnA: mdadm.conf |
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| 16:42.48 | pjz | is it valid to try and upgrade a debian-live system via apt-get ? |
| 16:43.07 | pjz | I just moved mine from squeeze to wheezy and now the live-snapshot script is... missing. |
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| 16:43.13 | pjz | where'd it go? |
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| 16:43.55 | powpow56 | Hi. I'm having problems using my wifi... My dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/74783/ |
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| 16:55.53 | samul | hi all |
| 16:55.54 | laigualdad | hi |
| 16:55.57 | samul | I was trying to update my GPU drivers to use webgl on iceweasel |
| 16:56.18 | samul | however, I don’t know how to do it. I don’t know where to find drivers |
| 16:56.20 | samul | could anyone help me please? |
| 16:56.25 | niiiii | I'm trying to create a sitemap in a txt file... any suggestions? Maybe there's a wget command I can use to simply crawl? |
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| 16:56.34 | laigualdad | samul hmm probably from the manufacturers website |
| 16:56.48 | samul | yes, I’ve run a intel-tool to find for any updates |
| 16:56.51 | samul | but it does not work |
| 16:56.56 | samul | (it is a java applet) |
| 16:57.03 | laigualdad | so it couldnt find any new updates? |
| 16:57.06 | samul | it loads, loads, loads... but does not do anything |
| 16:57.10 | laigualdad | oh i see |
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| 16:57.30 | laigualdad | perhaps you should try downloading it directly from the site, instead of using an applet |
| 16:57.32 | samul | yes, I cannot find any update |
| 16:57.54 | samul | the last time I tried to change something in gpu drivers it was a mess |
| 16:58.12 | samul | is there a tool to find it automatically? |
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| 16:58.39 | laigualdad | i personally do not know if there is such a tool for that, but perhaps someone else knows |
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| 16:58.57 | samul | if it can help, my pc has also a nvidia gpu |
| 16:59.10 | samul | maybe it is more simple to find any updates for it |
| 16:59.20 | laigualdad | ok my opinion is to go to the nvidia website |
| 16:59.24 | pjz | oh, hunh, looks like debian-live just plain dropped snapshot support |
| 16:59.26 | pjz | how... nice. |
| 17:00.02 | laigualdad | search for your GPU on nvidias website and the drivers should be there |
| 17:00.04 | jhutchins | samul: If you have an nvidia GPU, why are you using an Intel tool? |
| 17:00.17 | samul | I have two GPUs |
| 17:00.33 | samul | and usually I use the intel one to run iceweasel |
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| 17:00.44 | samul | (to run nvidia drivers I use optirun) |
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| 17:01.21 | samul | no advices? |
| 17:02.05 | jhutchins | samul: We only support the debian packaged stuff here, we don't have any way of knowing what the manufacturers are up to. |
| 17:02.33 | samul | oh, OK |
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| 17:02.35 | samul | thanks anyway |
| 17:02.37 | jhutchins | samul: Maybe there aren't any updates. |
| 17:02.58 | jhutchins | samul: The manufacturers might have mailing lists that announce new releases. |
| 17:03.44 | hassen | what do command1 && command2 do? |
| 17:04.30 | jhutchins | hassen: tias |
| 17:05.18 | petn-randall | hassen: In bash, and many other shells, it will run command2 only if command1 exited successfully. |
| 17:06.12 | hassen | petn-randall: so assuming that i misspelled ps: "ps && who" will fail? |
| 17:06.20 | jelly | hassen: read http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/TestsAndConditionals |
| 17:06.52 | hassen | jelly petn-randall thanks |
| 17:07.26 | jelly | in fact, read all of that bash guide ;-) |
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| 17:13.40 | Akano | Hey, can anyone tell me if this iptables ( http://pastie.org/8610519 ) could be my problem reaching ports 80 and 443? I am able to access most of the web services from external, but port 80 seems blocked. |
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| 17:25.27 | jhutchins | Akano: Your provider could be blocking it. |
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| 17:27.44 | Akano | jhutchins, you mean it could be blocked on dedicated side? im my own provider |
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| 17:28.13 | Akano | jhutchins, this is the iptables from the host side http://pastie.org/8609790 (not the VM) |
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| 17:35.32 | roothorick | I really don't get this laptop sometimes. Updated to 3.10 by chrooting in from Ubuntu via USB enclosure, turned nouveau BACK ON, and suddenly it's not kpanicking anymore |
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| 17:45.36 | Akano | Hey, can anyone tell me if any of this iptables (VM-> http://pastie.org/8610519 , Host-> http://pastie.org/8609790) could be my problem reaching ports 80 and 443? I am able to access most of the web services from external, but port 80 seems blocked. |
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| 17:49.32 | roothorick | Akano: change the order on the VM side, so -j cP-Firewall-1-INPUT is at the very end |
| 17:49.39 | roothorick | on the INPUT table |
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| 17:57.39 | Akano | roothorick, done but still not working, not able to reach port 80 nor 443 |
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| 17:58.11 | phy1729 | roothorick: https://www.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial/iptables-tutorial.html#USERTABLES |
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| 18:05.24 | Akano | Hey, can anyone tell me if any of this iptables (VM-> http://pastie.org/8610519 , Host-> http://pastie.org/8609790) could be my problem reaching ports 80 and 443? I am able to access most of the web services from external, but port 80 seems blocked. |
| 18:05.32 | hassen | how to check the last OS logs?my debian wheezy has just stuck,even ctrl+alt+F1 didn't work,so i had to restart from the laptop button |
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| 18:05.48 | neglesaks | ?question: any suggestions for what i've done wrong after just installing Debian 7 to a SSD, upon next boot i find that the system cannot find the SSD unit even in the bios? Other than the unit has somehow become physically disconnected between successful isntall and reboot.. |
| 18:06.19 | roothorick | my goodness, make dpkg-deb takes FOREVER |
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| 18:07.28 | frostschutz | neglesaks, the ssd was probably made by humans, which means it's low quality inferior technology and might die any time |
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| 18:08.05 | roothorick | I wouldn't even say that's an inherently human thing |
| 18:08.10 | roothorick | even stars have expiration dates |
| 18:08.11 | neglesaks | that is of course a possibility, but being that it is a datacenter-quality Intel, i would consider it highly unlikely. |
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| 18:08.38 | roothorick | most likely case is the controller it's connected to didn't get initialized for some reason |
| 18:09.03 | maroloccio | hi guys. upgraded eclipse w/ google pluging and it wants java 7. best way to move the whole system to jre7? |
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| 18:09.14 | neglesaks | right. ill depower the system and try to boot it again |
| 18:09.20 | babilen | maroloccio: Just install it? |
| 18:09.25 | frostschutz | neglesaks, Intel is the one that produced 8MB SSDs, right? :) Intel doesn't automatically stand for quality, unfortunately |
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| 18:11.05 | frostschutz | neglesaks, as for datacenter-professional-grade storage: it breaks too, regardless of the price tag |
| 18:11.05 | hassen | lmao |
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| 18:11.11 | babilen | judd: v openjdk-7-jre |
| 18:11.11 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.7-1; jessie: 7u21-2.3.9-5; wheezy-security: 7u25-2.3.10-1~deb7u1; sid: 7u45-2.4.3-4 |
| 18:11.15 | babilen | maroloccio: ^^^ |
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| 18:11.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell maroloccio -about install java |
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| 18:12.04 | maroloccio | babilen, judd: thanks guys. that package is already installed.. hmm.. full sequence of commands to do the switch system-wide? |
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| 18:13.22 | hassen | how to check the last OS logs?my debian wheezy has just stuck,even ctrl+alt+F1 didn't work,so i had to restart from the laptop button |
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| 18:13.47 | maroloccio | hassen: check our /var/log |
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| 18:16.01 | babilen | maroloccio: Look into update-java-alternatives |
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| 18:18.35 | maroloccio | babilen: i did, and that worked perfectly. thank you very much. lovely |
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| 18:22.03 | neglesaks | and booting from a ubuntu livecd shows that the system can see the SSD just fine. |
| 18:22.13 | neglesaks | which leaves me scratching my head. |
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| 18:28.24 | dumby | Is there a recommendation someone can give me on what to check for an extremely slow KDE load? I've been using it fine for weeks, and all of a sudden it's about a 5 minute boot from login |
| 18:28.55 | dumby | Google search is only churning up results for new installs. Mine has been working great until just recently, without any major changes |
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| 18:32.11 | cyclick | If I want to create a keyboard shortcut for the home/end keys, what would be the command that I need to enter when I create a custom shortcut? |
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| 18:36.06 | ChibaPet | cyclick: Depends on the context. |
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| 18:36.08 | tremon | cyclick: man xmodmap |
| 18:36.47 | ChibaPet | tremon: That won't help him on a console, and it's not the right answer for new GTK apps, etc. |
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| 18:37.22 | ChibaPet | cyclick: That said, it'll probably work if you're trying to do this in X. |
| 18:37.29 | tremon | meh. you'll have to forgive for not caring about gtk |
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| 18:39.40 | cyclick | it was for X, I will give it a try, thanks |
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| 19:13.48 | yang | will keyboard/mouse still work without "console-kit-daemon" that one is taking up RAM when being started... |
| 19:13.54 | glenrock | is there a terminal command i can run to check for updates without requiring root? apt-get -s upgrade seems to do it, but i think you have to apt-get update before that to get changes and that requires root |
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| 19:17.11 | berarma | ,v console-kit-daemon |
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| 19:18.41 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | ,d consolekit |
| 19:18.59 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | oh, doesn't work that way :) |
| 19:19.21 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | yang: yes, they should still work |
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| 19:20.38 | koell | glenrock: idk, but u may find an online status anywhere about an update hm? |
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| 19:21.55 | glenrock | koell: my goal is to get some sort of update notification in XFCE. i'm considering writing a custom script. i think the update-notifier package is supposed to do it, but i don't know how to make it run in XFCE, as it doesn't seem to notify me in my notification area |
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| 19:21.57 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | glenrock: http://www.admin-magazine.com/Articles/Assigning-Privileges-with-sudo-and-PolicyKit |
| 19:22.07 | glenrock | thank IlIlIlIlIlIlI |
| 19:22.54 | koell | glenrock: really good idea! u may choose libnotify-send to show info messages |
| 19:23.15 | koell | glenrock: do u mean updates of the system itself or of packages u installed? |
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| 19:23.24 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | glenrock: update-manager-gnome should provide a tray applet |
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| 19:24.06 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | but it's deprecated in favor of gnome-packagekit (incoming in jessie), which atm doesn't provide a tray applet, at least not in wheezy |
| 19:24.09 | glenrock | thanks. i'll check out update-manager-gnome. koell - i was using the generic monitor that comes with XFCE. it will run a script automatically every so many seconds, and you can display icons via your script based on the output |
| 19:25.39 | koell | glenrock: interesting. where do u show the icons? in the top panel? |
| 19:25.40 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | glenrock: update-notifier installs /etc/cron.daily/apt, which updates the package list as per your preference |
| 19:25.47 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | so apt-get -s should in fact work for you :) |
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| 19:25.51 | glenrock | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: looks like the update-notifier i'm using comes in via gnome-packagekit. no tray icon in jessie (at least that i have found so far) |
| 19:25.54 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | check out /etc/cron.daily/apt |
| 19:26.21 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | yeah, gnome sucks like that |
| 19:26.24 | glenrock | that's interesting. if cron does apt-get update daily, that could work |
| 19:26.37 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | I heard something about not showing an applet by design decision |
| 19:26.41 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | although it is documented |
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| 19:26.53 | glenrock | and that's no big deal for me, since i can use the generic monitor |
| 19:27.20 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | see the apt cron script for config options |
| 19:27.37 | glenrock | here's the script i'm using with XFCE's generic monitor: http://paste.debian.net/74814/ |
| 19:27.42 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | set in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
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| 19:27.51 | glenrock | i stole it from a post about one of the RPM based distros |
| 19:28.28 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | sure, been reading the same post couple of weeks ago :) |
| 19:28.36 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | fedora forum, I believe |
| 19:28.40 | glenrock | i think so |
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| 19:28.53 | glenrock | yum has the benefit of displaying number of upgrades available without root |
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| 19:29.10 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | yum does not benefit |
| 19:29.22 | glenrock | lol |
| 19:29.37 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | you have several options to even upgrade all packages, but only that, without root |
| 19:29.54 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | options like sudo, policykit, suid executable, ... |
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| 19:38.24 | pupil | hello, good morning |
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| 19:38.43 | pupil | i have a problem with usb 3.0 in debian wheezy |
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| 19:40.27 | pupil | when i plug in an external 3.0 hardisk, few minutes later, the hardisk is automatically plug off, and plug in again repeatedly |
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| 19:41.13 | zinx | pupil: bad cable, bad drive, bad hub, or bad controller. very much doubt it's a software issue. |
| 19:42.30 | neglesaks | pupil, sounds like a loose cable o plug to me. else see what zinx said |
| 19:42.36 | jelly-home | glenrock: apt-get and aptitude have a dry-run option that can do the same thing |
| 19:43.14 | pupil | but when my external hardisk plug in to USB 2.0, it behaves normally so i am sure it is not cable error |
| 19:43.15 | glenrock | jelly-home: correct. the problem is that apt-get update needs to be run first, and apt-get update requires root |
| 19:43.29 | jelly-home | glenrock: why is that a problem? |
| 19:43.33 | neglesaks | then it is a plug error or a bad controller or controller expansion card |
| 19:44.15 | glenrock | jelly-home: well, it's a problem in that i have to figure out a way to run 'apt-get update' as part of my script with elevated privileges |
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| 19:44.29 | glenrock | without being prompted every time |
| 19:44.54 | glenrock | i'm not experienced enough to know the best option to do that :) |
| 19:44.54 | jelly-home | glenrock: passwordless sudo for that one command. Or run it once a day from the crons |
| 19:45.05 | glenrock | is that gksu? |
| 19:45.34 | jelly-home | no, it's sudo |
| 19:45.41 | pupil | i heard that it require spesific driver to use USB 3.0. Does debian wheezy already cover that? |
| 19:45.43 | jelly-home | sudo is sudo |
| 19:45.54 | ompaul | pupil: where did you hear that? |
| 19:46.04 | glenrock | jelly-home: disregard, i found the config option to do that |
| 19:46.21 | pupil | in windows |
| 19:46.55 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 19:46.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-rc6-686-pae (3.13~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.11.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 19:47.37 | ompaul | pupil: well how about this, in 2009 in kernel version 2.6.31 linux has supported USB |
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| 19:47.59 | pupil | ompaul: USB 2.0 or 3.0 ?? |
| 19:48.21 | ompaul | pupil: I've been using usb on linux since time forgot |
| 19:48.56 | ompaul | sorry usb3 |
| 19:49.03 | ompaul | usb2 since a long time before that |
| 19:49.25 | pupil | well, i also do not have problem with USB 2.0 |
| 19:49.25 | ompaul | must read my own answers better |
| 19:49.51 | pupil | here's something weird: |
| 19:49.57 | ompaul | !paste |
| 19:49.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 19:50.51 | pupil | when i half-plug my external hardisk to usb 3.0 port, the hardisk behave like 2.0, and no previous error happen |
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| 19:53.43 | ompaul | pupil: with it plugged in and paste.debian.net please give us the output of lsusb -v |
| 19:53.55 | DammitJim | I was reading a forum where they were bashing samba as a proper means to transfer files from a linux server to windows |
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| 19:54.16 | ompaul | DammitJim: and your real question? |
| 19:54.17 | DammitJim | is there a lot of overhead for using scp? |
| 19:54.31 | DammitJim | or are there other better recommendations instead of samba? |
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| 19:54.47 | ompaul | DammitJim: depends on file size, pipe size, and criticality of all of the above |
| 19:54.48 | DammitJim | I also ask because there are always samba problems here (probably because we don't know how to use it) |
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| 19:55.19 | DammitJim | file sizes average 100K, pipe is 1Gbps and they are very critical |
| 19:55.20 | ompaul | DammitJim: if you can use windows to windows sharing you can use samba, it is the same idea / principle |
| 19:55.25 | DammitJim | not sure if that answers the requirements |
| 19:55.49 | ompaul | DammitJim: I had a critical file once, I told it to shut up and transfer. |
| 19:55.49 | DammitJim | no, the server where the files are stored is debian |
| 19:56.07 | ompaul | DammitJim: so a standard way to work out if it is ok is to use a samba client to connect |
| 19:56.28 | ompaul | windows 7 and above has a nice thing (omg did I really say that) called synctoy |
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| 19:57.03 | ompaul | DammitJim: ^^ and there I'll leave the rest to your imagination, samba works very well if configured correctly. |
| 19:57.15 | pupil | ompaul: here is lsusb -v with the hardisk half plug http://paste.debian.net/74820/ |
| 19:57.16 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: usually samba should be reasonably fast; NFS can often be faster if it's configured properly, but that is often difficult |
| 19:57.23 | ompaul | DammitJim: I use it to act as a shock absorber for backing up |
| 19:57.26 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: but I'd benchmark everything to make sure that it's working how you're doing |
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| 19:58.43 | ompaul | pupil: what happens if you plug it in all the way |
| 19:58.47 | DammitJim | ok, thanks |
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| 19:59.53 | ompaul | pupil: right now that thinks is empty Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub |
| 20:00.59 | pupil | ompaul: here it is, http://paste.debian.net/74821/ |
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| 20:01.04 | pupil | the previous is not complete, my scroll set to 512. but now it's unlimited scroll |
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| 20:02.15 | pupil | it it full plug, and behave like USB 3.0 |
| 20:04.29 | ompaul | pupil: according to your machine it is not plugged into the right port, it is not actually plugged in, so something isn't right. |
| 20:04.47 | ompaul | pupil: according to your machine nothing is plugged into the 3.0 port |
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| 20:05.26 | GeekMan1222|Desk | How can i quickly check how much free space i got on my hdd with debian (linux in general) commands are ok I used to know a command to check but i forgot |
| 20:05.37 | GeekMan1222|Desk | The root drive |
| 20:05.46 | pupil | would you tell me which line that told you that? |
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| 20:06.43 | GeekMan1222|Desk | nvm i remebered XD |
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| 20:07.59 | pupil | ompaul: would you tell me which line that told you that? |
| 20:08.02 | n-st | is it insane to want to run a dns, smtp and single-page webserver on a kvm server with 128MB of ram, no swap and 1GB of disk space? or do i actually have a chance to get that to run? |
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| 20:09.38 | ompaul | pupil: read the Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub section, bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused |
| 20:10.37 | phy1729 | n-st: barely and I hope it has almost no load the disk space will be tight but I think you could so it |
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| 20:10.47 | phy1729 | do* |
| 20:12.02 | pupil | ompaul: it seems my hardisk is detected in Bus 002 Device 009: ID 0480:a006 Toshiba America Info. Systems, Inc. |
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| 20:12.35 | sideup66 | hello room, i have a bit of a simple question for configuring a gnome-3 startup in debian with limited access to the machine currently |
| 20:13.02 | sideup66 | only through ssh can i access, i would like to be able to configure the desktop startup applications, in short what file would I need to edit to add an entry to that list without going through the desktop |
| 20:13.28 | phy1729 | n-st: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s04.html.en |
| 20:13.42 | JohnA1 | is there a "repository" for sbackup in debian, or what is debians alternative to sbackup? |
| 20:14.06 | ompaul | pupil: so you need to use some other port :) |
| 20:14.22 | n-st | phy1729: ok, sound's good. it's only meant as a backup anyway. the server needs to serve two dns records, accept all emails if the main smtp server goes down and bring up a webserver with a static apology page when the main webserver goes down. until now, that happened about 1% of the time, so performance isn't much of an issue. |
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| 20:14.35 | sideup66 | better yet, does anyone know an easy thing i can configure in the shell through ssh that I can use to get to the graphical desktop |
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| 20:14.56 | ompaul | ,sbackup |
| 20:15.02 | phy1729 | n-st: but you don't want your backup to fail either; if it's accepting mail you'll likely need a bigger disk |
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| 20:15.30 | n-st | phy1729: i found that link yesterday, but installing 7.0 on 128MB/1GB was terrible slow and failed halfway through installing the additional packages because of a lack of disk space |
| 20:15.35 | pupil | sideup66: do you mean like this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
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| 20:16.08 | dondelelcaro | sideup66: you can also use ssh -X foohost; and then run gnome-session-properties or similar |
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| 20:16.16 | n-st | phy1729: depending on how much space i have left i might just use the backup server as a relay |
| 20:16.20 | dondelelcaro | (apparently; I don't use gnome) |
| 20:16.45 | sideup66 | ah ok, that will by default give me graphical |
| 20:16.57 | sideup66 | i know, the system at the end will predominantly be controlled through only its simple shell |
| 20:16.58 | sideup66 | :) |
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| 20:17.10 | sideup66 | im just using the gui to get things setup at the moment |
| 20:17.15 | JohnA1 | jelly: thanks for you help earlier. After some messing about I came to the conclusion that my bios had been fried. reflashing seems to have "cured the problem, time will tell if I am right. |
| 20:17.36 | GeekMan1222|Desk | Hey guys how do I set up a nice light logging system for my vsftpd server :/ ? |
| 20:17.37 | n-st | phy1729: another thing... how much load/memory usage does a socks-via-ssh proxy cause on the endpoint? |
| 20:17.47 | ompaul | ,v sbackup |
| 20:17.48 | judd | Package: sbackup on i386 -- sid: 0.10.5+nmu1 |
| 20:18.05 | ompaul | sideup66: not in stable yet |
| 20:18.31 | ompaul | sideup66: not even in testing so it won't be backported yet |
| 20:18.52 | sideup66 | what isnt in stable? |
| 20:19.01 | sideup66 | and ssh-X, no .xauthority |
| 20:19.11 | ompaul | sideup66: sorry - I read it wrong |
| 20:19.17 | sideup66 | its ok |
| 20:19.20 | sideup66 | no big deal :) |
| 20:19.26 | phy1729 | n-st: no idea |
| 20:19.28 | sideup66 | im thinking maybe vnc time? |
| 20:19.44 | ompaul | JohnA1: no, it is not in stable, it is only in sid, if you need something today use rdiff-backup it works very well |
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| 20:21.14 | sideup66 | thing is i need to get teamviewer to run at startup |
| 20:21.19 | JohnA1 | ompaul: my problem is that I am trying to recover a existing install. The existing BU was created by sbackup. |
| 20:21.24 | sideup66 | maybe if i get roots cron to do it... hmmmmmmm |
| 20:21.28 | sideup66 | not root im sorry |
| 20:21.32 | sideup66 | the user's crontab |
| 20:21.37 | sideup66 | since it does have an autologin |
| 20:21.46 | ompaul | JohnA1: ah, wonderful, well it wasn't done with debian stable, what was it on? |
| 20:21.46 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport sbackup --fromrelease sid |
| 20:21.47 | judd | Backporting package sbackup in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 20:21.57 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell JohnA1 about ssb |
| 20:22.02 | ompaul | there is that |
| 20:22.08 | ompaul | needs a new brain |
| 20:22.11 | misterli | What is the best way to synchronise data from one to another server (and sync them like every hour). Its about 1,5TB data. about ~ 300mb changes daily. |
| 20:22.23 | jelly-home | misterli: how many files? |
| 20:22.31 | misterli | i guess about 5mio |
| 20:22.34 | sideup66 | its a crippled machine that will mine coin, so i need to get things to start so i can get in, configure, then set things to run automagically |
| 20:22.35 | sideup66 | :) |
| 20:22.39 | misterli | RSync was always out of memory when starting sync |
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| 20:23.02 | ompaul | misterli: so you want to make rsyncs job easier, divide by directory and so on |
| 20:23.04 | jhutchins | misterli: rsync |
| 20:23.06 | jelly-home | misterli: yeah, you'll have to either rsync smaller subtrees, or thinkof something else |
| 20:23.25 | misterli | well. Its in seperate folders. Just one folder with thumbnails contains a few mio files |
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| 20:23.41 | ompaul | misterli: so rsync on a folder by folder basis |
| 20:23.42 | jelly-home | is it porn?!!?!?! |
| 20:23.48 | misterli | Haha, no |
| 20:24.01 | jelly-home | suddenly uninterested in helping |
| 20:24.09 | ompaul | hehe |
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| 20:24.23 | JohnA1 | ompaul: wheezy I think, we want to move on to jessie - we like to live dangerously! |
| 20:24.29 | jelly-home | misterli: how much RAM do you have on the source, anyway |
| 20:24.37 | misterli | 16gb on source, 32gb on destination |
| 20:24.44 | ompaul | jelly-home: see the ssb comment from the bot - you can make it yourself |
| 20:24.45 | jelly-home | 8GB ought to be more than enough for 10-20Mfiles |
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| 20:25.00 | ompaul | misterli: why 32 on destination? |
| 20:25.34 | ompaul | sprru |
| 20:25.35 | ompaul | sorry |
| 20:25.35 | misterli | because the server is not fast enough anymore. So i purchased a new one |
| 20:25.35 | jelly-home | because it's a newer machine, duh |
| 20:25.35 | sideup66 | ok simple question again |
| 20:25.40 | ompaul | stops - I'm broken |
| 20:25.40 | misterli | haha |
| 20:25.40 | misterli | :P |
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| 20:25.41 | sideup66 | how would I go about running a cron job at logon of the user |
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| 20:25.41 | sideup66 | i find plenty of syntax for reboot |
| 20:25.42 | sideup66 | but i just want to execute it once the user is logged on |
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| 20:25.50 | no_gravity | Good Evening! Anybody familiar with rdiff-backup? |
| 20:26.13 | jhutchins | sideup66: Use something other than cron. |
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| 20:26.57 | ompaul | sideup66: you wouldn't, you might stick something into either a bashrc login script with maybe a forced AT command, cron can be set up so once the box is on that users job takes place |
| 20:27.18 | ompaul | no_gravity: the docs are straight forward on it's site, it backs up incrementals and allows you to restore |
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| 20:28.00 | ompaul | no_gravity: just adjust to meet your use case :) |
| 20:28.19 | sideup66 | hmm |
| 20:28.19 | sideup66 | ok |
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| 20:29.08 | jelly-home | misterli: can you make a saner directory structure with a bit of depth and hashed directories for those thumbnails? |
| 20:29.29 | jelly-home | 2-3 levels of directories ought to cut it |
| 20:29.43 | misterli | nope. It's too late. Because the server need to access them at anytime |
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| 20:29.48 | misterli | (Webserver) |
| 20:30.00 | jelly-home | RewriteRules ftw |
| 20:30.01 | misterli | Well. I may copy them to another folder, sync it, merge it. This may a solution yea |
| 20:30.04 | misterli | haha |
| 20:30.06 | misterli | You are right |
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| 20:30.52 | misterli | but it's absolut path because of imagick /var/www/folder/thumbs/ .. |
| 20:30.53 | misterli | but i may recode the php script to look if the file is in there and if not choose subfolder2 or 3 or ... |
| 20:30.57 | jelly-home | nod |
| 20:32.01 | sideup66 | came up with a slightly different idea :) |
| 20:32.20 | misterli | is rsync the best solution for this job? |
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| 20:32.23 | jelly-home | misterli: I have not tried lsyncd in real life, rsync was good enough for most things |
| 20:32.37 | aguitel | i installed firefox from mozilla site (tar.bz2) how install flash for it ? |
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| 20:33.26 | ompaul | misterli: have a script iterate across the directory structure, assuming /place/directories1 and /place/directories2..N, have each directoriesN read and backed up, then move onto the next one is the least overhead |
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| 20:34.04 | ompaul | aguitel: why didn't you use iceweasel? |
| 20:34.51 | jelly-home | ompaul: it has an ugly name! |
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| 20:35.36 | ompaul | jelly-home: the truth will always out |
| 20:35.38 | aguitel | ompaul, coz iceweasel close inexpected |
| 20:36.30 | ompaul | aguitel: then you perhaps need to work out why, to help with this, it is most likely a previous site you were on, try rsync -av .mozilla .original-mozilla |
| 20:36.51 | ompaul | aguitel: only then rm -rf .mozilla and try it again :) |
| 20:37.07 | ompaul | I'd nearly bet that isn;t the problem |
| 20:37.08 | aguitel | ompaul, i did |
| 20:37.11 | sideup66 | aguitel: all truths show their ugly heads |
| 20:38.28 | sideup66 | little saying of mine |
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| 20:39.15 | raw | http://funkyimg.com/i/EEDS.jpg |
| 20:40.36 | ompaul | raw: ? |
| 20:42.17 | phy1729 | what is /etc/apt/sources.list~ there for? |
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| 20:42.52 | user | hi all, i am creating a live boot USB that boots debian with XFCE (thats done) but uses a different theme, font, and icons than the default. been referencing the live build guide, but haven't seen this exact thing on google. anyone have any links/suggestions? thanks! |
| 20:43.04 | centrx | phy1729, A backup when sources.list is changes |
| 20:43.06 | centrx | changed |
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| 20:43.18 | sideup66 | woo |
| 20:43.22 | sideup66 | my plan worked :D |
| 20:43.25 | ElDiabolo | aguitel, With building your own firefox you are no longer in debian country, follow the flash instructions on how to install this. With iceweasel it is as simple as iadding non-free and doing an aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:43.25 | phy1729 | centrx: ah, thanks |
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| 20:46.28 | ElDiabolo | aguitel, Installing flash to firefox shouldn't be hard, too. |
| 20:47.02 | sideup66 | got the machine running more today and got out of jury duty too, today was a good day |
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| 20:55.52 | elkingrey | Does anybody else using debian have the problem that when trying to view youtube videos it only allows the 240p option? For me videos always start at 360p and I have to switch to 240p before they will play. And sometimes the video only shows the 240p option, but won't play at all. |
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| 20:56.30 | sideup66 | can someone help me with my wireless driver? |
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| 20:56.52 | sideup66 | it is not detecting any wifi on my pc |
| 20:57.01 | sideup66 | the wired lan is working just fine however |
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| 20:58.00 | mtn | sideup66: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi‎ |
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| 20:58.41 | gosx | quick question: I did a dpkg -i kernel-headers-... after building a kernel with make deb-pkg, but the directory created (/usr/src/linux-headers-3.13.0-rc7+) has 750 permissions. Is it normal for this directory to not be world readable/executable? |
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| 20:58.49 | sideup66 | mtn: page didnt exist? |
| 20:59.15 | sideup66 | got ot |
| 20:59.16 | sideup66 | it |
| 20:59.18 | sideup66 | searched |
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| 20:59.39 | mtn | sideup66: sorry, bad copy |
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| 21:01.58 | sideup66 | no problem |
| 21:02.05 | sideup66 | seems like the card i have isnt listed as anything |
| 21:02.16 | sideup66 | maybe time to try the madwifi driver...usually when wifi works in linux it just works |
| 21:02.22 | sideup66 | when it doesnt...things change lol |
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| 21:04.54 | sideup66 | it lists it but shows nothing for it under the list |
| 21:04.55 | sideup66 | odd |
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| 21:05.14 | tga | greetings |
| 21:05.40 | tga | are there any smaller/simpler/better mail servers than postfix out there? |
| 21:05.54 | tga | somewhat like nginx is to apache |
| 21:06.05 | mtn | sideup66: what does "lspci -nn" say the card is? |
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| 21:07.13 | centrx | tga exim :) |
| 21:07.15 | sideup66 | mtn: realtek rtl8187se |
| 21:07.34 | sideup66 | would guess no documentation would mean it would just work |
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| 21:08.05 | mtn | sideup66: did you see this?: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 21:08.12 | mtn | sideup66: quick google :) |
| 21:08.13 | tga | is exim really preferable to postfix? |
| 21:08.36 | Nanuq | tga: I moved from exim to postfix, but both are capable IME. |
| 21:09.12 | tga | I'm sure they're capable, I'm going for simplicity to operate here |
| 21:09.19 | mtn | sideup66: looks like it should work with no extra work. |
| 21:09.20 | sideup66 | ok but then why dont i get anything in terms of my wifi |
| 21:09.24 | sideup66 | hmm |
| 21:09.34 | sideup66 | how would i tell it then manually to load said module |
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| 21:09.42 | Nanuq | tga: Simple enough with decent documentation. Certainly compared to a beast like sendmail. |
| 21:09.54 | mtn | sideup66: no need. how are you trying to access your wireless? what tool are you using? |
| 21:09.56 | niiiii | lynx -dump -listonly "http://test.com" | grep -E -o "http://test.com.*|http://www.test.com.*" | sort | uniq > links.txt |
| 21:10.00 | tga | Nanuq: exactly |
| 21:10.00 | niiiii | any idea how to make it crawl other pages? |
| 21:10.05 | sideup66 | the gnome 3 network manager |
| 21:10.07 | Nanuq | tga: There's smail, but I haven't used it. |
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| 21:10.08 | sideup66 | it doesnt even see it there |
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| 21:11.04 | mtn | sideup66: install rfkill and run "rfkill list" and paste the results to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link. |
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| 21:12.58 | sideup66 | i actually already installed ndis |
| 21:13.00 | sideup66 | guess removethat |
| 21:13.05 | sideup66 | reboot and do this then? |
| 21:13.31 | mtn | sideup66: no need to reboot, just run that command |
| 21:13.41 | centrx | niiiii, I would use wget for crawling myself |
| 21:14.03 | sideup66 | command not found? |
| 21:14.07 | mtn | sideup66: please put my nick in your response, I am not always here watching. |
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| 21:14.09 | sideup66 | ai |
| 21:14.11 | sideup66 | lol |
| 21:14.14 | sideup66 | wow |
| 21:14.15 | mtn | sideup66: you needc to install it |
| 21:14.15 | sideup66 | sorry |
| 21:14.15 | centrx | niiiii, Then you can crawl each of the links recursively however many follows you want |
| 21:15.59 | sideup66 | rfkill list returns nothing |
| 21:16.51 | mtn | sideup66: my bad: rfkill list wlan0 |
| 21:17.13 | sideup66 | ok hold on |
| 21:17.18 | sideup66 | its rebooting thinking i di somthing |
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| 21:18.41 | sideup66 | bogus list argument |
| 21:19.24 | mtn | sideup66: I was right the first time. if nothing shows up with rfkill list, then it does not see any wireless |
| 21:19.52 | sideup66 | i see |
| 21:19.59 | sideup66 | what can i do about that to make it see the card then |
| 21:20.01 | sideup66 | because it is enabled |
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| 21:21.41 | mtn | sideup66: I am not great at this, but try: iw dev |
| 21:21.51 | Akano | Hey, can anyone tell me if any of this iptables (VM-> http://pastie.org/8610519 , Host-> http://pastie.org/8609790) could be my problem reaching ports 80 and 443? I am able to access most of the web services from external, but port 80 seems blocked. |
| 21:22.03 | ElDiabolo | tga, IMHO the "simple alternative" is rather a software user generation change. People are unwilling to understand the fully grown software and use the "simple alternative". Then features are added to the simple alternative, making it bit by bit rather fully grown ... |
| 21:22.04 | mtn | sideup66: remember to paste it to a paste site |
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| 21:22.59 | sideup66 | nl 80211 not found :/ |
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| 21:23.07 | sideup66 | coud ndiswrapper be interfering |
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| 21:23.18 | mtn | sideup66: no idea |
| 21:23.27 | sideup66 | ok ill poke around |
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| 21:23.34 | sideup66 | i would like this machine to use wifi... |
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| 21:24.55 | qpls_ | hey guys |
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| 21:25.37 | qpls_ | I have a system set up and I am trying to configure initramfs to activate a volume group (lvm) during boot |
| 21:25.39 | qpls_ | since mt root partition is stored on this |
| 21:25.39 | sideup66 | i guess i could leave it on lan |
| 21:25.43 | qpls_ | but I can't get it to work |
| 21:25.44 | sideup66 | the beauty of that is that i never hear about problems over lan |
| 21:25.58 | qpls_ | the system is already set up and I am not using the installer |
| 21:26.22 | qpls_ | how can I regenerate initramfs to load the volume group before attempting to mount the root partition? |
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| 21:26.59 | dizzylizzy | qpls_, I'd like to know the answer to this too :-/ |
| 21:27.56 | dizzylizzy | it probably involves update-initramfs though |
| 21:28.07 | dizzylizzy | LVM is both wonderful and frustrating |
| 21:29.14 | dizzylizzy | duckduckgo'd to find this: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/initramfs-cannot-find-lvm-root-partition-699478/ |
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| 21:30.44 | misterli | okay splitting thumbs in different folder works |
| 21:31.16 | misterli | with rsync -avz -e "ssh -i /root/.ssh/id_dsa" ... but what happen when it disconnect/does not finish? will it continue at the last file? What happen when new file ...? |
| 21:31.32 | babilen | qpls_: It's typically done by lvm2 (i.e. /etc/init.d/lvm2) which is run before checkfs and mountall -- the setup of LVM during the boot that is |
| 21:32.04 | phy1729 | I've read the man page but I'm still not clear on the difference between auto and allow-hotplug |
| 21:32.05 | jordanm | misterli: it has to rebuild the file list and determine what to send all over again. unchanged files should not be resent |
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| 21:32.59 | Variuss | how add folder to java classpath?? |
| 21:33.02 | sideup66 | is there any way to actually tell udev to rescan the hardware while the system is running |
| 21:33.07 | sideup66 | and add hotplug hardware |
| 21:33.12 | sideup66 | maybe it is hotpluggable? |
| 21:33.31 | misterli | okay. so it does not check the lastmodified date, it will always verify the whole filelist (in its own db) |
| 21:34.47 | jordanm | misterli: it doesn't have a db |
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| 21:35.09 | r3m | ,v znc |
| 21:35.10 | judd | Package: znc on i386 -- squeeze: 0.092-3; wheezy: 0.206-2; jessie: 1.2-3; sid: 1.2-3 |
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| 21:38.39 | Akano | Hey, can anyone tell me if any of this iptables (VM-> http://pastie.org/8610519 , Host-> http://pastie.org/8609790) could be my problem reaching ports 80 and 443? I am able to access most of the web services from external, but port 80 seems blocked. |
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| 21:42.51 | Tramp | Akano: open firewall, re-check. If it works then, rules are the problem. |
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| 21:43.18 | Akano | Tramp, good point --' thank you |
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| 21:44.56 | dondelelcaro | Akano: and those rules are pretty incomprehensible, too; you've got two chains which interact in odd ways. |
| 21:45.14 | dondelelcaro | Akano: you're probably better off using ferm or similar |
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| 21:48.00 | sideup66 | ok well if anyone is here |
| 21:48.05 | sideup66 | can they help me with an issue |
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| 21:49.46 | koell | Is it possible to copy a blu ray movie / series to my hard drive? I've bought lots of em, now I would like to backup them and watch it within my local home network. I don't want to buy another blu ray player for my "smart tv". So r there any suggestions? |
| 21:50.24 | sideup66 | the device im trying to load (wireless card) is detected by lspci |
| 21:50.42 | sideup66 | but when i attempt to load the module with modprobe -a it returns that the module is not found? |
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| 21:51.05 | stmiller | koell there is an app here that does that http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=224 |
| 21:51.27 | stmiller | beta for linux. It is primarily a windows app ( http://www.makemkv.com/ ) |
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| 21:51.50 | koell | stmiller: does it also ripp copy-save mediums? |
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| 21:54.49 | centrx | sideup66, Might just be the name you are using to load the module, leave out the file extension? |
| 21:54.57 | stmiller | Reads protected blu ray |
| 21:54.59 | centrx | sideup66, Or perhaps the module is not found? |
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| 21:55.43 | sideup66 | i typed in the name of the hardware and it comes up module not found |
| 21:55.54 | sideup66 | the catch is udev is disabled, machine hangs with it on |
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| 21:56.07 | sideup66 | its only purpose build so I only need the basic setup of hardware to function |
| 21:56.29 | sideup66 | it displays device node not found when i type in |
| 21:57.17 | sideup66 | how would i point to the device node however |
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| 22:03.37 | Some_Person | Has anyone here ever used efax-gtk? I'm having trouble getting it to receive faxes (sending works fine) |
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| 22:07.43 | x_ | Does anybody have a printer that does duplexing and can send me their ppd file to look at? |
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| 22:08.24 | centrx | Tough questions |
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| 22:10.40 | Some_Person | It seems to work if I put it in standby mode, but then it answers all calls automatically which is no good |
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| 22:10.57 | Some_Person | Manually answering doesn't seem to work |
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| 22:16.34 | qpls_ | dizzylizzy: thanks |
| 22:16.42 | Some_Person | anyone? |
| 22:16.42 | dizzylizzy | shrugs |
| 22:16.45 | dizzylizzy | I hope you have better luck than I did |
| 22:17.08 | qpls_ | so do I |
| 22:17.24 | qpls_ | babilen: how can I check the order of the initialization scripts? |
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| 22:17.43 | qpls_ | either the lvm script isn't run before mount or it's not initializing the logical volumes properly |
| 22:17.46 | qpls_ | in my case |
| 22:18.44 | drasko | hi all. I wrote debian-7.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso to USB key as explained here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en. I set USB boot first in BIOS. However, PC keeps restarting - obviausly it does not suceed to read the image from USB. How to debug this problem? |
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| 22:21.25 | mtn | drasko: soes your bios give you a boot order menu on boot? |
| 22:21.32 | abrotman | drasko: your system is actually amd64, right? (you're following i386 instructions, which are the same, just want to make sure the hardware is capable) |
| 22:21.57 | drasko | abrotman, yes |
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| 22:22.13 | drasko | mtn, yes, bios menu. USB is set on top |
| 22:22.26 | drasko | PC tries to boot from USB but restarts all the time |
| 22:22.30 | mtn | drasko: no boot order menu on boot, not a settingin the bios |
| 22:22.45 | drasko | mnt no, I do not get this far |
| 22:22.53 | mtn | drasko: ok, didn't understand you meant that about rebooting |
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| 22:23.08 | drasko | can it be secure boot option in BIOS? |
| 22:23.15 | drasko | should I disable this? |
| 22:23.23 | mtn | drasko: yes |
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| 22:25.12 | drasko | no sucess, my Toshiba Satellite still keeps restarting |
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| 22:25.59 | drasko | When I put USB key in an other PC I can see it mounted as a type iso9660 |
| 22:26.11 | drasko | With setup.exe present |
| 22:26.36 | drasko | as well as boot and efi dirs |
| 22:26.48 | drasko | so, I'd say that image was well written... |
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| 22:27.51 | mtn | drasko: how did you make the usb stick? |
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| 22:29.06 | drasko | cp debian-7.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sd |
| 22:29.08 | drasko | cp debian-7.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb |
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| 22:29.44 | drasko | mtn, like explained here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 22:30.49 | mtn | drasko: did you run the sync command, too? |
| 22:30.49 | olf-folks | may be a longshot but can anyone help me link my kernel so i dont get this error when compiling my module for my wifi http://fpaste.org/66538/91327921/ |
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| 22:31.30 | drasko | mtn, yeap |
| 22:31.42 | mtn | drasko: no idea then, sorry |
| 22:33.43 | abrotman | olf-folks: you're in the wrong channel, we don't support Kali here |
| 22:33.59 | abrotman | olf-folks: use #kali-linux or ##linux for support, thank you. |
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| 22:34.47 | olf-folks | abrotman: kk thanks man |
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| 22:37.21 | drasko | should I maybe dump the image with `dd` rather than copying it? |
| 22:37.43 | drasko | I have no idea why it is not bootable... |
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| 22:37.52 | mtn | drasko: won't hurt to try it that way |
| 22:37.52 | Some_Person | Okay, this whole damn thing is weird. If I set the modem to use only Class 1, sending works but receiving does not. If I set it to only use 2.0, receiving works but sending does not |
| 22:37.57 | Some_Person | What the hell can I do? |
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| 22:46.00 | dumby | My KDE is having major problems... What's the best way to get a clean install of it going? |
| 22:46.19 | abrotman | what kind of problems? which version of Linux? |
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| 22:46.40 | trinode | hey, I've just moved my hard drive from one laptop to another thinking it'd be fine, but just as the laptop would set the video mode it freezes (no disk activity after that) on a black screen |
| 22:46.47 | trinode | any ideas what it could be? |
| 22:47.01 | dumby | Wheezy, and boot issues post login |
| 22:47.18 | wsky | what issues |
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| 22:47.37 | dumby | Hangs on the splash for ~5 minutes, then everything else slowly loads |
| 22:47.55 | wsky | apt-get autoremove kde && apt-get install dwm |
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| 22:48.02 | wsky | solved, next! |
| 22:48.19 | abrotman | .. |
| 22:48.26 | abrotman | dumby: which splash? when you login? |
| 22:48.48 | dumby | after giving login info, yes |
| 22:49.22 | jhutchins | dumby: edit /etc/default/grub and remove the "quiet" option, run update-grub, and look through dmesg | less for errors, then try again. |
| 22:49.43 | jhutchins | dumby: Ah, nevermind that. |
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| 22:50.43 | abrotman | dumby: have you tried as a new user? |
| 22:51.12 | centrx | trinode, Probably an unhappy graphics driver |
| 22:51.19 | dumby | abrotman, I will give it a shot now |
| 22:51.25 | centrx | trinode, Try to boot up in runlevel 1, without graphics |
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| 22:52.09 | trinode | centrx: how do I do that? add something to the grub options? |
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| 22:52.30 | BHSPiMonkey | I was midway through an `apt-get upgrade` when I lost my ssh connection, and I wasn't using screen. It appears the dpkg process is still alive, and I get the feeling it got stopped while awaiting user input during a postinst configure. What should I do? |
| 22:52.51 | trinode | centrx: recovery mode worked :/ |
| 22:52.59 | centrx | trinode, Yes, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/grub-boot-into-single-user-mode/ |
| 22:53.04 | centrx | trinode, What is "recovery mode" ? |
| 22:53.15 | centrx | trinode, That might be the same thing, single user mode |
| 22:53.17 | trinode | single user it seems |
| 22:53.27 | trinode | got the old ctrl-d prompt |
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| 22:53.36 | centrx | trinode, Okay, yeah |
| 22:53.40 | trinode | the resolution is pretty high |
| 22:53.48 | trinode | it changed that during boot |
| 22:53.58 | BHSPiMonkey | Looks like the grub-pc postinst, to be specific. Should I just try to sigterm it? |
| 22:54.32 | centrx | trinode, I bet X is trying to load the graphics drivers for your old laptop |
| 22:54.56 | trysten_ | hey everybody! recently installed debian on a HP Craptop (Pailion G7, pain in the butt) and i installed linux-firmware-nonfree just so i could view the bootup screen without appending VGA=773 to my kernel options. well after i installed it, X no longer works. it gives me weird messages about a driver monopolizing resources. how can i see the driver X is trying to use? how can i change it? i just need to override it termporarily so |
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| 22:54.59 | trysten_ | the old driver. |
| 22:55.06 | trinode | centrx: it's well before X, just after decompressing the kernel |
| 22:55.38 | dumby | abrotman: new user still hangs on kdeinit |
| 22:55.46 | centrx | hmm okay |
| 22:56.24 | centrx | trinode, And yet it works in single user mode? What is the difference between the kernel loading commands used by grub for your system, between single user mode and normal |
| 22:56.24 | trinode | centrx: hmm, it seems to be working after removing quiet and acpi-backlight=vendor |
| 22:56.32 | centrx | trinode, that might be it then! |
| 22:56.56 | trinode | odd, but I'm not complaining :) |
| 22:57.13 | abrotman | dumby: is the flul kde pakcage installed? any errors in your .xsessio-errors? |
| 22:57.37 | centrx | trinode, That light uses extra power anyway |
| 22:57.49 | centrx | trysten, You can look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 22:58.27 | trinode | yeah, I should be able to read the screen by feeling the electromagnetic field anyway :) |
| 22:58.57 | trysten_ | centrx: that's what i used to do... there is no Xorg.conf file! |
| 22:59.01 | Hassen | is it possible to have gain the required skills to be a linux administrator by just sticking to a linux OS in parallel of reading linux books? |
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| 22:59.21 | centrx | trysten, I guess that is what happens if you install non-free software! It immediately deletes important files |
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| 23:00.08 | centrx | Oh maybe Xorg.conf is not present anymore unless necessary |
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| 23:01.00 | jhutchins | trysten_: Most systems do not use xorg.conf files any more, they auto-detect at startup. |
| 23:01.09 | centrx | trysten, How about /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:01.14 | trysten_ | centrx: yeah that's the impression i got. but.. to add to the confusion, X -configure fails miserably. something like the number of screens does not match detected hardware. |
| 23:01.39 | beardy | Hassen: No, not if you need to ask about it. |
| 23:02.00 | trysten_ | centrx: that would have revealed the driver in use. thank you. now i just need to over ride that so i can start X and talk to you guys on the system i'm trying to fix (i'm on a dual-booting laptop) |
| 23:02.01 | jhutchins | trysten_: Find your chipset - lspci -nn | grep -i vga - then look that up to see what components you need in debian. |
| 23:02.02 | dumby | abrotman, I'm checking now. FYI it has been working without issue for a couple weeks until just suddenly |
| 23:02.26 | jhutchins | trysten_: Obviously there some sort of framebuffer layer that's not working correctly. |
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| 23:02.57 | jhutchins | trysten_: You could always just remove the firmware and make the VGA option permanent in /etc/default/grub |
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| 23:03.38 | trysten_ | jhutchins: that's a good idea. thank you. i will do that if you don't know a way to manually override the driver X tries to use |
| 23:04.44 | jhutchins | trysten_: It depends on the chipset & driver. It might involve creating an xorg.conf. |
| 23:05.29 | trysten_ | jhutchins: X -configure fails. i'm searching now. |
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| 23:06.49 | dumby | abrotman: Anything in particular I should look for? Never had to look through this file. I see that creating Pixmap window failed |
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| 23:08.33 | trysten_ | jhutchins: decided to remove the firmware and try for a specific graphics driver package. thank you very much! |
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| 23:09.11 | abrotman | dumby: you can pastebin it if you want us to look at is |
| 23:09.13 | abrotman | at it |
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| 23:11.09 | Hassen | is there an app or a driver for my synapcis touch-mouse that makes me able to scroll in long pages by just moving my finger in the mouse in a circular way? |
| 23:11.26 | Hassen | like the win7 driver |
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| 23:17.57 | dumby | abrotman, I'm just using XFCE now and it doesn't seem to have any issues so I'll just ditch KDE |
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| 23:19.03 | dumby | Thanks for the help though |
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| 23:25.14 | abrotman | dumby: okay, that's one solution |
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| 23:32.10 | civillian | what is the reason behind using #!/usr/bin/env perl -w instead of #!/usr/bin/perl? |
| 23:32.18 | civillian | for shell scripts |
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| 23:34.25 | centrx | civillian, Not much |
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| 23:34.41 | centrx | civillian, env can be used to set environment variables |
| 23:35.02 | zinx | civillian: it executes perl from the path |
| 23:35.05 | centrx | civillian, In this case, probably the only effect is it will look for the command "perl" in all the PATH using the normal logic |
| 23:35.10 | zinx | civillian: instead of a specific location |
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| 23:40.11 | trinode | oooh, the backlight works perfectly on the 7.3 live gnome dvd |
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| 23:43.52 | civillian | zinx, centrx: thanks |
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| 23:46.12 | wm4 | can I just change the gcc symlink /usr/bin/gcc to an older version? |
| 23:46.22 | wm4 | I want "gcc" to invoke gcc-4.7 not gcc-4.8 |
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| 23:48.26 | abrotman | wm4: it's better to use the full path with the CC variable if you can |
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| 23:48.53 | wm4 | abrotman: lots of software is stupid and doesn't respect CC |
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| 23:49.51 | abrotman | wonders which software this might be |
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| 23:50.23 | wm4 | ffmpeg, mplayer, AFAIK |
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| 23:50.41 | abrotman | They use the CC variable |
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