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| 00:20.39 | hetOrakel | hi, i installed debian besides a windows 7. But after grub the windows splash-screen behaves strange. Most part of it is outside the viewable area. And that is when i'm lucky. |
| 00:21.03 | hetOrakel | Is there a grub option to play with? |
| 00:22.50 | pupil | hetOrakel: i don't think thats has something to do with grub, imho |
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| 00:23.58 | hetOrakel | pupil: and why is this than only after installing the debian? |
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| 00:24.41 | hetOrakel | it looks like something nasty is happening to the screen |
| 00:25.35 | hetOrakel | after windows is fully booted the driver kicks in and than the screen flips back to its normal position |
| 00:25.43 | hetOrakel | before installing debian there was no problem |
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| 00:27.49 | pupil | in my experience in multiple boot windows-linux, i neer had this kind of problem before |
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| 00:31.31 | fraq | hetOrakel: what do you mean by "and that is when I am lucky"? |
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| 00:31.49 | fraq | are you seeing different behavior across reboots? |
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| 00:34.46 | hetOrakel | yes and no. I tried to experiment with the GRUB_GFXMODE. Within 1 resolution the behaviour is consistent, but the splash screen is always off. Most often shifted upwards. Sometimes i can read "microsoft corp" somtimes "Starting windows" |
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| 00:39.33 | codygman | Is this fixed in current versions of debian: http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2014-January/002389.html I have libXfont 1.4.5-2 on debian stable which according to that list is vulnerable. |
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| 00:42.01 | alphazulu | what is the most svelte, cleanest looking theme or WM - am using firefox/icedove and am sick of the clunky look |
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| 00:42.32 | alphazulu | my understanding is they use a default gtk theme but its so clunky looking |
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| 00:42.48 | pupil | alphazulu: have you try install persona? |
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| 00:43.15 | alphazulu | pupil: no. no package with that name |
| 00:43.30 | mhjacks | Heh, that's funny I was having problems with running GTK apps under KDE today |
| 00:43.53 | pupil | i mean persona, firefox extension |
| 00:43.54 | alphazulu | also the cursors are so clunky looking. i can't seem to find any nice, svelte cursor themes either |
| 00:44.08 | fraq | hetOrakel: So the windows splash screen is messed up, too? |
| 00:44.14 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I'm having some trouble with gnome 3 and the suspend/hibernate/power off option, because it asks me for my root password, what's wrong. I'm using debian testing. |
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| 00:44.49 | pupil | mhjacks: KDE is QT-based |
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| 00:45.48 | tensorpudding | codygman: http://packages.qa.debian.org/libx/libxfont/news/20140107T171854Z.html |
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| 00:48.28 | tensorpudding | codygman: I just checked, a bump to the version in stable appeared, 1.4.5-3 probably fixes it. |
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| 00:49.19 | tensorpudding | codygman: err, nevermind, that's something else |
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| 00:53.08 | KaaK_ | Are there any good projects for generating HTML reports from deb archives? e.g. something that could scan the /pool and /dists directories and generate useful HTML summaries of their contents. |
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| 00:55.54 | somiaj | KaaK_: why not just use packages.debian.org |
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| 00:56.43 | KaaK_ | somiaj, because it is my own repository -- managed by reprepro |
| 00:57.39 | KaaK_ | googling isn't netting much much ... |
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| 01:01.33 | somiaj | KaaK_: maybe look into how packages.debian.org generates it's pages, maybe you can get the code and point it at your repo |
| 01:01.47 | somiaj | KaaK_: anyreason you want html over say the info from apt-cache or aptitude or even synamptic |
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| 01:04.48 | somiaj | http://packages.debian.org/about/ -- looks like tehre are links to the sorce code for the tools that generate the pages on packages.debian.org |
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| 01:05.49 | KaaK_ | somiaj, Mostly easy of use. Tired of limited output `reprepro list` gives me. The reason for html is due to the clients of the repository being automated, remote devices, not general use PCs with users |
| 01:06.16 | KaaK_ | somiaj, thanks for the link! |
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| 01:14.12 | Resilience | I'm having some trouble with gnome 3 and the suspend/hibernate/power off option, because it asks me for my root password, what's wrong. I'm using debian testing. |
| 01:14.54 | petn-randall | Hi Resilience, jessie is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, this channel is for stable only. |
| 01:15.28 | Resilience | petn-randall, , ah thank you, I did not know about it |
| 01:15.36 | petn-randall | Resilience: You're welcome. |
| 01:16.40 | unixpenguin | I want to (unit/integration(?)) test a shell script. It should be launched and then its output (stdout (?)) searched for a specific keyword (e.g. "Failure"). Of course one could also let it run through and use the return code - however, the script will take a long time after the error error keyword, so this wouldn't be practicable. |
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| 01:20.10 | Resilience | petn-randall, are there any channels that support testing at freenode.org? |
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| 01:21.30 | jelly-home | not really, unless you try the generic ##linux |
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| 01:26.01 | somiaj | Resilience: sounds like an issue with gdm3, policykit or something like that. I would check bugs.debian.org |
| 01:26.13 | somiaj | Resilience: #gnome might be able to tell you what you need (maybe not debian specific) to have it not ask for root password. |
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| 01:26.28 | Resilience | somiaj, I have checked google and nothing shows, seems like I'm not very fond on asking google the right question ;( |
| 01:27.09 | Resilience | somiaj, the problem is that it was working, apt-get updated and bang, stopped working |
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| 01:28.03 | somiaj | Resilience: look at what packages were upgraded (again it is probabaly policykit/gdm3), use your /var/cache/apt/archives or snapshot.debian.org to downgrade them to what they were when it worked. Isolate the bug and look for it or report it at bugs.debian.org |
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| 01:29.17 | Resilience | somiaj, that's impossible, ot as some updatings ago, is there anything I can do to check the error? some log file or dmesg or something like that? |
| 01:29.46 | somiaj | Resilience: start looking around /var/log, and figure it out. Best advice. I don't use gnome so I can't really test it |
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| 01:30.36 | Resilience | somiaj, mm /var/log but, which file? |
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| 01:32.22 | somiaj | Resilience: do you only have one user loged in when you try to do this? |
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| 01:32.51 | Resilience | somiaj, of course (I have that type of trouble years ago, seems like an old bug from debina and gnome...) |
| 01:32.58 | somiaj | though I think #gnome would be better at helping you track down logs/what is going on |
| 01:33.24 | somiaj | I just read it is a efature to not allow non root passwords reboot if someone else is loged on. |
| 01:33.40 | Resilience | somiaj, ok, thanks you for you time, you've been very polite |
| 01:33.59 | freeroute | hi, I'm a bit confused about this documentation - http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index3h2 - I take it that it's a command to be run to install (a single) package from the backports release, but do you have to add the repo first to sources.lst ? |
| 01:34.21 | Tylertwo | Hey, any ideas on how to suspend the system without root permission? |
| 01:36.00 | freeroute | because the way I read it is, you add the backports repo to sources.lst to always get stuff from the repo (if you do aptitude install <package> then it also checks in that backports repo), but the command aptitude -t wheezy-backports install <package> for example installs that package from the backports repo without having it the sources.lst |
| 01:36.06 | freeroute | (if I was reading that correctly that is) |
| 01:36.10 | somiaj | freeroute: correct, wheezy-backports (and squeeze-backports) are pinned low to ensure they are never the default packages in an upgrade |
| 01:36.40 | somiaj | freeroute: it would be dangerous and could have unexpected bugs if you upgraded to every backport package. Only use the ones you need. |
| 01:37.03 | somiaj | that is why you have to manually say '-t wheezy-backports' to let apt know you actually want to install the backports version |
| 01:37.03 | freeroute | oooh, so you do have to add them to sources.lst before you can install packages from them, but they have a low priority and hence get checked _only_ if there is no package in the high-priority repo's? |
| 01:37.26 | somiaj | they only get upgraded/installed if you actually request it |
| 01:37.38 | freeroute | ah ok |
| 01:37.55 | somiaj | (I do belive there is some work to upgrade any backport package that has been previousuaally installed for security, but it should not just upgrade/install a package from backports unless you actually request it) |
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| 01:38.12 | somiaj | this is a feature (and a very nice one) (: |
| 01:38.18 | freeroute | Tylertwo: I have eOS and I can suspend as normal user. Not sure how it helps your situation. |
| 01:38.38 | somiaj | Tylertwo: you have to at some level have root privilages, but there are various ways to give them |
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| 01:38.57 | freeroute | somiaj: for upgrading / updating I assume aptitude -t wheezy-backports upgrade <package> |
| 01:39.00 | somiaj | Tylertwo: gnome/kde use their display manager (which runs as root) to do the actually suspend/reboot as a normal user. You can use sudo or other things too. |
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| 01:39.12 | somiaj | freeroute: I'd just use install instead of upgrade there |
| 01:39.38 | somiaj | freeroute: and I belive they do get upgraded if you already have them installed. I do not know if this made it into wheezy or not as I don't use backports that often. |
| 01:39.55 | freeroute | oh so just re-install the package to get a newer version? |
| 01:40.18 | somiaj | freeroute: but install will install/upgrade the package version the repo, you can use 'apt-cache policy package_name' to see the various versions of a package available |
| 01:40.22 | somiaj | freeroute: correct |
| 01:40.51 | somiaj | freeroute: upgrade isn't a single package thing, it is a 'all packages' thing (upgrade with apt-get is any package that will not remove or add a package to be upgraded) |
| 01:40.56 | Tylertwo | somiaj, I currently use sudo, and I'm asking because I suspend the computer several times a day and I'd rather not have to type in the password each time. I typically don't use a GUI so those options wouldn't work, although maybe I could set up something similar.. |
| 01:41.11 | freeroute | I'm cool with that as long as the config files and data is kept secure |
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| 01:41.24 | somiaj | Tylertwo: you can setup sudo to not request a password for the paticular suspend command you want to run |
| 01:41.41 | somiaj | Tylertwo: you could also use a setuid script that runs suspend as root |
| 01:43.36 | somiaj | which is what I would do, run 'visudo' and then add a config line so it won't ask for a password for just the suppend command |
| 01:43.40 | somiaj | for your user |
| 01:45.21 | thims | Does it seem like a bug in multiarch if it is fighting packages across different architectures? Or might this be illegitimate use on my part? |
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| 01:46.07 | thims | EG: "apt-get install binutils:i386; apt-get install binutils:amd64" causes bintuils:i386 to be uninstalled when amd64 is installed. This seems innapropriate. |
| 01:46.18 | petn-randall | thims: Some packages only allow one or the other, but it usually has a good reason why. Which specific package is it? |
| 01:47.22 | thims | petn-randall: Well it is an issue I am running into that stemmed up recently. The specific package is rkhunter and x11-server-utils. Predominantly rkhunter, though the two of them are included. |
| 01:47.26 | Tylertwo | somiaj, ok, would that look something like 'tyler pm-suspend' ? |
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| 01:49.02 | thims | petn-randall: Rkhunter throughs up a requisite of binutils, and x11-xserver-utils throughs cpp. Could I be starting a break pf dpkg/apt? |
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| 01:52.13 | thims | Maybe I am not understanding the intricacies of multiarch, but it seems that it should run i386 and amd64 alongside one another, with duplicate libs/bins. Outside of the general packages. |
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| 01:53.12 | zinx | thims: it can also run binaries using incompatible architectures, if you mess with qemu-user stuff :) |
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| 01:54.17 | lattera | newbie question alert: are there any tunables pertaining to aslr (via sysctl or procfs)? |
| 01:54.22 | thims | zinx: I will keep that in mind. Thanks. |
| 01:54.41 | zinx | thims: generally if there is a version of an application for a particular arch, it can't be installed along side others |
| 01:55.01 | zinx | thims: but libraries, dev headers/libs, etc should allow you to install for all the architectures |
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| 01:56.01 | thims | zinx: oh, really? I was thinking multiarch allowed exactly that. |
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| 01:56.42 | thims | zinx: that explains the conflicts I am having, though raises some confusion in my "understanding" of how multiarch works and its capabilities. |
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| 01:57.03 | zinx | thims: since i386 and amd64 binaries can run each other, there's really no point in having an application installed with both, except in some special cases |
| 01:57.20 | zinx | thims: i.e., applications needing plugins that may only be available for one arch |
| 01:57.20 | donttrustem | hi, I am trying to get proxychains working but I get this ProxyChains-3.1 (http://proxychains.sf.net) |S-chain|-<>-127.0.0.1:4001-<--timeout ssh: connect to host xxx.58.101.105 port 22: Connection refused |
| 01:57.47 | donttrustem | if I use ssh without proxychains it works ok |
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| 01:58.13 | zinx | thims: the deal with multiarch is you can install things only available for one arch |
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| 01:58.32 | str3 | implying there are any reasons to use debian over windows 95 |
| 01:58.52 | jtreminio | Hi all, not related to Debian itself, but question in general. Supervisor keeps other programs running - but what keeps supervisor itself running? |
| 01:59.09 | zinx | jtreminio: ? |
| 01:59.17 | thims | zinx: Oh. Essentially default to the parent arch, with the exceptional case of being able to bring in pure i386 packages were needed? |
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| 01:59.28 | str3 | jtreminio: linus torvalds |
| 01:59.39 | zinx | thims: yeah, that's the general use |
| 02:00.20 | zinx | thims: you can also use it for development purposes - ensuring that your program works on both i386 and amd64 for example |
| 02:00.47 | thims | zinx: Alright. I will keep that in mind and watch my useage. I think I may have excluded an architecture specification while installing a bunch of i386 libs that may have caused me troubles. |
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| 02:02.25 | Tylertwo | Well now I tried "tyler ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/pm-suspend" but it's not working. |
| 02:02.29 | thims | zinx: Thank you. |
| 02:02.36 | Tylertwo | oh i see my typo |
| 02:02.49 | thims | petn-randall: Thank you. |
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| 02:03.16 | holycow_ | . |
| 02:04.16 | Tylertwo | still no luck with s/bin/sbin |
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| 02:13.49 | jhutchins | Tylertwo: The command "which <command>" will give you the correct path to a command. |
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| 02:18.00 | Tylertwo | jhutchins, thanks, pretty sure the path is correct now, but when I type sudo pm-suspend it still asks for a pass. |
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| 02:19.07 | dvs | Tylertwo: ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: <command> |
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| 02:21.46 | Tylertwo | dvs, without "tyler" in front? When I do it that way it gives a danger message when I try to save. |
| 02:22.02 | dvs | Tylertwo: with tyler in front |
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| 02:23.19 | Tylertwo | dvs, no luck |
| 02:23.37 | Tylertwo | Still asking for the sudo password. |
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| 02:35.49 | wood_quinn_ | tkgate will not save files, tkgate crashes. |
| 02:35.54 | wood_quinn_ | Maintainer: fix your damn shit. |
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| 02:36.41 | kRush | =D |
| 02:37.14 | euclidis | Greetings.. |
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| 02:38.29 | euclidis | I would like to know if Wheezy is able to receive a directly compiling install of an amd driver? |
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| 02:39.39 | Tylertwo | Aha! Looks like I needed to have that line at the end of the visudo file. |
| 02:39.55 | Tylertwo | As opposed to before some other entries. |
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| 02:43.24 | Tylertwo | Thanks for the help. |
| 02:43.44 | dvs | !beer Tylertwo |
| 02:43.44 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Black Tuesday for Tylertwo |
| 02:44.32 | dgriffi | I want to add the server key for packages.mate-desktop.org to my preseed, but they have their key file solely as a package, not an URL of some sort. Does anyone here know a workaround to this? |
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| 02:56.37 | dgriffi | is anyone here? |
| 02:57.18 | blockhead | no ;) |
| 02:59.31 | Bronze | definitely not |
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| 03:36.30 | kdawg | Back : [] Gone : [ 0secs ] Did Ya Miss ME ? If your channel wishes me not to have back message please message me and i'll add channel to the exclusion list. |
| 03:39.16 | themill | kdawg: I doubt any channel wants to see that crap. Please turn it off. |
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| 03:59.37 | kdawg | themill is that part of the rules here |
| 03:59.59 | kdawg | and are you an op or channel staff |
| 04:00.21 | themill | it's common decency. |
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| 04:01.56 | kdawg | What if the message was Hi Everyone, I am Back but instead of me going to a 100 channels and typing it in when i get back its done automatically |
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| 04:02.24 | themill | we still wouldn't care and you'd still be asked not to do that |
| 04:03.05 | kdawg | so me saying hi isn't allowed? |
| 04:03.11 | themill | dpkg: tell kdawg about away |
| 04:03.25 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | msg dpkg away |
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| 04:04.01 | themill | kdawg: the hope is to improve the signal:noise of the channel, not to argue about this. |
| 04:04.17 | Okee | Is there another open source scanning program besides Simple Scan? Simple Scan works ok, but it is a bit primitive, and doesn't allow me to open files that are on my computer. I see that as a big limitation. |
| 04:05.27 | freeroute | it seems that in wheezy-backports version of virtualbox, after the install the startup script in /etc/init.d/vboxweb-service is missing. - https://code.google.com/p/phpvirtualbox/issues/detail?id=553 and https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=46369 |
| 04:05.42 | kdawg | i dont see anyone else chatting, but i will add debian to the exclusion list. I don't mean to argue but you could next time point out that this channel has a rule against auto messages, or generally saying hi or useless information. |
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| 04:06.29 | freeroute | Okee: there was this thing I was using, I forgot its name damnit (tip of my tongue) |
| 04:06.38 | themill | kdawg: common politeness shouldn't need to be explained. |
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| 04:07.17 | Okee | freeroute> I will be on for awhile, so let me know if you think of it, or memoserv me if more than 1 hour has gone by. |
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| 04:07.54 | freeroute | Okee: I'm not sure what memoserv is but can I PM you? |
| 04:08.14 | Okee | I haven't been impressed with all of the default programs that came with debian stable, and I am inclined to get rid of their contacts and simple scan because they are too primitive. Contacts doesn't allow you to export, and simple scan doesn't allow you to open files. YES, you can PM me. |
| 04:08.24 | Okee | freeroute> YES, you can PM me. |
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| 04:08.50 | freeroute | cool, it was pretty advanced and had commandline features too |
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| 04:09.12 | Okee | I am using the addressbook in Icedove, but it is a bit buggy and ancient (version 17.0.10). Mozilla reports a version 24 is floating around the office somewhere, but I am not able to access it via backports. |
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| 04:09.52 | freeroute | Okee: I might have it in the old apt history logs of my previous system. Can I cat multiple files and then grep for the word 'scan' ? |
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| 04:09.58 | themill | btw icedove doesn't change much so 17 and 24 aren't very different |
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| 04:10.33 | Okee | freeroute> I don't see why not. |
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| 04:11.03 | Okee | themill> Version 17 is pretty buggy and locks up occasionally. Are you running Version 24? |
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| 04:11.19 | themill | I don't use it at all but mrs themill does without issues |
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| 04:12.21 | Okee | themill> Features are good in the Lightning address book. My only complaint is that it doesn't let you save an icon on your desktop, or allow you to unsync from IceDove. Allowing an unsync would add stability, and reduce the chance of crashes, when the mail program gets hammered with mail. |
| 04:13.04 | themill | I don't know what you mean by "unsync" or "an icon on your desktop" here |
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| 04:14.10 | Okee | themill> Currently Lighting is tied to IceDove. Allowing you to use the program as a standalone would add stability, and decrease the chance of crashes. And with respect to icons, I was referring to an icon that is separate than IceDove (Thunderbird). |
| 04:14.41 | Okee | themill> I am not advocate that Lightning should only be a standalone, but instead allow you an "option". |
| 04:16.07 | themill | "icedove -addressbook" btw |
| 04:17.00 | freeroute | Okee: do the installations of regular .deb packages also get included in apt history logs? |
| 04:17.28 | freeroute | what I mean is, installations of .deb packages not using apt-get or aptitude |
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| 04:17.54 | freeroute | because I might have it installed through a .deb package from the web |
| 04:18.01 | themill | if you install a package with dpkg -i foo.deb then apt knows you have installed it, yes |
| 04:18.05 | Okee | freeroute> I am not sure. I am new to Debian stable, and new to Linux for all that matters. But that is a good question that I will ask at my next user group meeting. |
| 04:19.42 | freeroute | ok I'm going to manually go through those logs and see if I can spot something familiar |
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| 04:19.48 | Okee | So far Debian stable is quite nice, and a very solid server grade OS. There is a little extra work in getting sources into your sources.list file, but it is manageable. Prior to installing I was advised that Centos has better commercial support, but so far most of the commercial packages I have used installed without problem. I can't say the same for some of the open source or free programs. |
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| 04:24.39 | freeroute | daamn this is so weird, and I do remember installing it on this thing... |
| 04:27.07 | nevyn | Okee: "commercial support" is code for large enterprise applications you probably don't want to run (like oracle) ;) |
| 04:27.09 | Okee | mill> Do you get locks up in Lighting that comes with IceDove 24? I get a lot of lockups when typing in IceDove. I think my version is too old. |
| 04:27.16 | freeroute | Okee: ah! there we go, it was called xsane (the GUI version that is) |
| 04:27.49 | Okee | freeroute> Does xsane allow you to open files that are saved on your computer, as well as perform scanning? |
| 04:28.05 | Okee | freeroute> How good is this program? Does it run decently? Any crashes? |
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| 04:28.12 | freeroute | AFAIK xsane allows for scanning and saving those files |
| 04:28.40 | freeroute | I scanned stuff on DX3850 and it worked every time, also it has a LOT of options |
| 04:29.10 | freeroute | for opening files I'd suggest PDF / document software |
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| 04:31.24 | freeroute | does anyone know why /etc/init.d/vboxweb-service is missing from the Virtualbox install and how I can make one? |
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| 04:32.05 | nonconvergent | Anything I can run to do diagnostics on a APC UPS? |
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| 04:33.12 | Bronze | plug a lamp into it and then unplug the UPS from the wall? (What are you trying to findout?) |
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| 04:33.33 | nonconvergent | if the battery is decent shape? |
| 04:33.39 | nonconvergent | ...why is it beeping? |
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| 04:34.12 | Bronze | beeping usually means something is wrong, or that the UPs is supplying power from the battery. eg - no wall paower |
| 04:34.15 | nonconvergent | don't worry, nothing's in it. |
| 04:34.20 | nonconvergent | I just appropriated it. |
| 04:35.08 | Bronze | if its more than 3 years old, the battery may need replacing. |
| 04:35.20 | nonconvergent | It hasn't been used much. |
| 04:35.36 | nonconvergent | ...but then it was used a little more than healthy, likely. |
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| 04:35.57 | Bronze | thats the typical pattern. :-) |
| 04:35.59 | nonconvergent | but why guess when you can be certain? |
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| 04:36.30 | shingouz | usually the batteries are not too expensive and are pretty easy to replace. easiest test is really to unplug the UPS with a load on it and see what happens |
| 04:36.53 | Bronze | My suggestion isto read up on the capabilities that your model has |
| 04:36.59 | nonconvergent | it's charging up at the moment. |
| 04:37.47 | nonconvergent | it's got a USB to RJ45 cable so you can run Powerchute or apcupsd or something. |
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| 04:38.06 | Bronze | yup |
| 04:38.44 | nonconvergent | but there's a lot of documentation |
| 04:38.50 | nonconvergent | more than I can easily search. |
| 04:38.57 | nonconvergent | the manually is 115 pages long. |
| 04:39.04 | nonconvergent | s/manually/manual |
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| 04:40.39 | Okee | nevyn> Why would I not want to run large commercial applications on Debian stable? |
| 04:40.45 | Okee | I have run Oxygen XML editor on Debian stable and it works flawlessly. |
| 04:40.59 | shingouz | nonconvergent: what are you complaining about? i have somewhere an old Solaris manual... comes in two cardboard boxes about the size of a garden variety small server ;) |
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| 06:18.34 | jerichodotm2 | im working on getting watch files to keep packages updates. i am able to do simple ones such as http://sf.net/enumiax/enumiax-(.*)\.tar\.gz .. but is it possible to do if versions are stored in different directories.. such as url/v1/filev1.tar.gz and url/v2/filev2.tar.gz. i hope this is clear |
| 06:20.37 | themill | jerichodotm2: is there a central index page that lists them all? (also, you probably want #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net) |
| 06:21.04 | jerichodotm2 | themill, not for the ones im looking at. who are debian-mentors? |
| 06:21.11 | themill | dpkg: tell jerichodotm2 about mentors |
| 06:21.44 | jerichodotm2 | very nice. thank you |
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| 06:32.43 | lapache | hello, i tried to install a package; dpkg --force-architecture -i xx.deb, was ok, but now i wan't to purge it but it unfoundable. any idea ? |
| 06:34.05 | lapache | dpkg -I for its name and dpkg -P 'name' -> dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove chillispot which isn't installed |
| 06:34.05 | dpkg | package for its name and dpkg -P 'name' -> dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove chillispot which isn't installed is already installed |
| 06:35.44 | lapache | ok dpkg -I didn't tell me the right name |
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| 06:40.37 | MrRosewater | I'm seeing an IRC server on a network I am working on and tried to access it but the connection attempt times out |
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| 06:41.11 | MrRosewater | no IRC traffic is coming out of the machine as far as I can see |
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| 06:46.47 | SteamOSKDE | does anyone know what package lists I would need to install KDE in debian wheezy? |
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| 06:52.18 | wols | !install kde |
| 06:52.19 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". |
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| 06:55.22 | TeslaTony | I'm trying to set up a dual boot Win8/Debian system, and am trying to figure out how to deal with the partitioning. The way it currently is, is I have a system partition, C drive, D drive recovery partition, and another system partition. Should I leave the D and last system one in place, or should I move them so Debian is last on the drive? |
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| 06:58.39 | nevyn | SteamOSKDE: !steamos |
| 06:58.58 | nevyn | !basedondebian |
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| 07:06.02 | MrRosewater | TeslaTony: you can leave them where they are |
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| 07:08.12 | TeslaTony | MrRosewater: Oh, sweet. That saves me some headaches |
| 07:08.17 | TeslaTony | Thanks |
| 07:08.21 | MrRosewater | you're welcome |
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| 07:20.35 | SteamOSKDE | could someone send me their sources.list? |
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| 08:04.50 | Kuba | I'm tryint to set up a bridge called "lan" with ifaces lan0 and lan1; however when I define it in /etc/network/interfaces some strange things happen and ifconfig -a shows only two interfaces: lan and lan1 and `ifconfig lan0` returns the same thing as `ifconfig lan`... |
| 08:04.56 | Kuba | really confusing |
| 08:05.15 | Kuba | can I not name a bridge as a prefix of consisting interfaces? |
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| 08:17.47 | Kuba | this is really odd behaviour... |
| 08:17.56 | Kuba | ip link shows appropriate devices with correct macs |
| 08:18.04 | Kuba | whereas ifconfig is scrambled |
| 08:18.08 | Kuba | and it's wheezy |
| 08:19.50 | shingouz | Kuba: are you trying to make one physical nic to work as two? check man ifconfig for interface |
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| 08:20.21 | fibz_ | comcast is blocking me from torrenting debian >_< |
| 08:20.55 | Kuba | shingouz: no, I have 2 nics, and I join them under bridge |
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| 08:22.04 | shingouz | Kuba: in that case i have to say "no idea". sorry |
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| 08:22.55 | shingouz | fibz_: try running your torrent encrypted. my isp blocks unencrypted torrents, encrypted ones run just dandy |
| 08:23.13 | fibz_ | ill try that |
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| 08:52.20 | PublicStaticVoid | Hello, I am not sure what Windows did to my Partition table but since I Installed it no Linux installer or Gparted can read my partition table correctlt |
| 08:52.29 | PublicStaticVoid | Just shows unallocated space.. |
| 08:52.53 | fibz_ | try testdisk |
| 08:53.03 | PublicStaticVoid | Gparted says they are MPR Partitions with GPT signature and no fake msdos partition exists? |
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| 08:53.28 | fibz_ | if testdisk cant save it, photorec should be able to recover the data |
| 08:53.31 | PublicStaticVoid | I ran all sorts of diagnostics on the disk |
| 08:53.38 | PublicStaticVoid | There s no missing data |
| 08:53.48 | PublicStaticVoid | Windows stil boots fine |
| 08:54.03 | fibz_ | id still give testdisk a try. it fixes all kinds of problems |
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| 08:54.18 | PublicStaticVoid | I just can't install any Linux distros alongside it, because none of them can see the partition table correctly.. |
| 08:54.40 | fibz_ | if you arent willing to try testdisk, what are you willing to try? |
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| 08:55.05 | PublicStaticVoid | I am not sure you understand, it is not that I do not want to try it.. |
| 08:55.17 | PublicStaticVoid | It is just I know it will not help my issue |
| 08:55.26 | PublicStaticVoid | There is no problems with the disk |
| 08:55.44 | PublicStaticVoid | Windows boots fine, it some weird Partition table is all some hybrid of gpt and mbr |
| 08:56.00 | fibz_ | answer me this and i will drop it. are you familiar with the debian appliocation testdisk? |
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| 08:56.11 | PublicStaticVoid | yes |
| 08:56.17 | fibz_ | k |
| 08:56.47 | fibz_ | then use dd or photorec to recover the data and make a new partition |
| 08:56.52 | PublicStaticVoid | Fine I wil run it to make you happy, I wish you would make more effort in understanding my issue before attempting to help though |
| 08:56.56 | PublicStaticVoid | But I will run it now |
| 08:57.08 | PublicStaticVoid | RECOVER WHAT DATA? |
| 08:57.17 | PublicStaticVoid | See you do not even undertand the problem |
| 08:57.23 | PublicStaticVoid | I am not missing any data |
| 08:57.28 | fibz_ | i'd assume there was something on the partition |
| 08:57.33 | PublicStaticVoid | I a just trying to install linux on my machine |
| 08:57.44 | fibz_ | if you know testdisk will not fix it then what more do you want to do? |
| 08:57.52 | PublicStaticVoid | Yes, Windows boots fine.. |
| 08:57.59 | PublicStaticVoid | fix what? |
| 08:58.14 | fibz_ | the partition you are having difficulty with |
| 08:58.22 | PublicStaticVoid | It is not broken with |
| 08:58.45 | PublicStaticVoid | Just linux installers seem to have problms reading it |
| 08:58.59 | PublicStaticVoid | gdisk in mbr mode reads it just fine |
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| 09:00.02 | fibz_ | how many partitions should there be? |
| 09:00.09 | PublicStaticVoid | 4 |
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| 09:00.54 | klys | can gparted read the whole uefi/hybrid-mbr partition table giving you results that span your disk ? |
| 09:00.54 | PublicStaticVoid | and 3 diferent installers mint, ubuntu, debian and manually using gparted of fdisk all show one partition of unallocated space |
| 09:01.19 | PublicStaticVoid | no gparted just gives the error and asks if it is gpt |
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| 09:01.32 | PublicStaticVoid | if I say yes or no it still reads all unallcated space |
| 09:02.08 | klys | well, look up "hybrid mbr" on wikipedia. gparted is supposed to support this, and current versions of grub2 use a special new syntax |
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| 09:02.35 | pduersteler | Hi all. Quick question: I increased the size of the HDD a vm had. Doing lvextend on the vm itself tells me that is has 0 space available to extend. How do I go about this? Using a live cd? |
| 09:03.02 | PublicStaticVoid | klys: I have read about it, nothing there makes any of the installers or gparted read it? |
| 09:03.13 | PublicStaticVoid | SO how is that helpful at all in any way whatsoever? |
| 09:03.18 | klys | you may have something newer like uefi |
| 09:03.29 | ikonia | uefi is not a partition table |
| 09:03.30 | PublicStaticVoid | No I have UEFI Disabled |
| 09:03.35 | klys | Idk that current versions of gparted support your new scheme. |
| 09:03.36 | ikonia | format the disk and put a valid partition table on it |
| 09:03.43 | klys | you may just have efi. |
| 09:03.48 | ikonia | if you can't clearly state what the partition table is - put something you can clearly state what the partition table is |
| 09:04.06 | PublicStaticVoid | I am not going to lose my Windows Install because windos cant read my partition table |
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| 09:04.18 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: then find out for sure what the partition table is |
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| 09:04.23 | klys | if you really want linux to do it for you get cvs gparted or unstable versions. |
| 09:04.26 | PublicStaticVoid | ikonia: Tat sentence didnt even make sense in English |
| 09:04.28 | klys | ,versions gparted |
| 09:04.29 | judd | Package: gparted on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.0-1; wheezy: 0.12.1-2; jessie: 0.17.0-3; sid: 0.17.0-4 |
| 09:04.32 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: it makes clear sense |
| 09:04.37 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: find out the partition table type |
| 09:04.48 | PublicStaticVoid | 09:03 < ikonia> if you can't clearly state what the partition table is - put something you can clearly state what the partition table is |
| 09:04.53 | PublicStaticVoid | No, it does not. |
| 09:05.04 | PublicStaticVoid | I know the partition table type |
| 09:05.11 | PublicStaticVoid | I have already stated it. |
| 09:05.16 | klys | you may need to turn off lvm in disk management in the win64 control panel |
| 09:05.18 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: I'll try clarify "if you don't know for certain what the partition table type is, put a partition table on you do know" |
| 09:05.21 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: I've not seen you state anything other than "some sort of hybrid" |
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| 09:05.25 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: what is the partition table type please. |
| 09:05.39 | PublicStaticVoid | mbr-gpt |
| 09:05.46 | ikonia | mbr is not a partition table |
| 09:05.47 | PublicStaticVoid | As I said before |
| 09:05.49 | ikonia | it's a master boot record |
| 09:05.56 | PublicStaticVoid | I knwo wht it is |
| 09:06.05 | PublicStaticVoid | I no longer wish to recieve asistance from you |
| 09:06.12 | PublicStaticVoid | Thanks. |
| 09:06.18 | ikonia | if you know what it is why are you stating mbr as a partition table type |
| 09:06.19 | klys | it is prolly efi. if you think it is hybrid-mbr then why no mbr partition. it prolly isn't. |
| 09:06.21 | ikonia | please clarify for the channel what the partition table is |
| 09:06.27 | PublicStaticVoid | mbr-gpt is a Partition table type, go read about it |
| 09:06.50 | PublicStaticVoid | I know it is not UEFI |
| 09:06.59 | PublicStaticVoid | Because I disabled UEFI in my BIOS |
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| 09:07.17 | PublicStaticVoid | and because I have no EFI partition |
| 09:07.28 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: I don't see any documentation for an mbr-gpt partition table |
| 09:07.37 | PublicStaticVoid | gdisk reads it fine when electing MBR mode |
| 09:07.41 | ikonia | I see gpt partition tables with a master boot record, but nothing about a mbr-gpt partition table |
| 09:07.44 | PublicStaticVoid | not whn selecting GPT mode |
| 09:08.27 | PublicStaticVoid | Yes gpt partition tables with MBR partitions are known as a gpt-mbr hybrid |
| 09:08.28 | ikonia | could someone show me a document/link explaining what a gpt-mbr partition table is |
| 09:08.43 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: that's not a partition table then - the partition table is gpt |
| 09:09.00 | PublicStaticVoid | yes but it is important to note the gpt hybrid |
| 09:09.16 | ikonia | but it does not change the partition table |
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| 09:09.19 | ikonia | the partition table is gpt |
| 09:09.35 | PublicStaticVoid | Anyways, I believe I asked specifically for no further assistance from you, as I know you to troll in the past in other chnnels. |
| 09:09.45 | PublicStaticVoid | channels. So I ask politely. |
| 09:10.16 | PublicStaticVoid | See there you go, I do not care what it changes.. I am giving pertinant answers to questions asked. |
| 09:10.18 | ikonia | I don't see any documentation for a hybrid situation either |
| 09:10.38 | klys | publicstaticvoid, I am at wit's end. go to win64 control panel -> computer management -> storage management; and try to migrate your partitions to a dos mbr. |
| 09:11.00 | PublicStaticVoid | win64 control panel? |
| 09:11.10 | klys | I presume, windows 8 ? |
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| 09:11.27 | klys | also take it to #windows if you're listening to me. |
| 09:11.50 | PublicStaticVoid | Why are you at wits end? because ikonia got involved and intentionally argovated me |
| 09:11.57 | PublicStaticVoid | Sorry, I am done feeding him |
| 09:12.07 | klys | you have the tools you need. |
| 09:12.12 | PublicStaticVoid | I have already asked in windows |
| 09:12.18 | ikonia | could you show me any documentation (anything at all) explaining a gpt-mbr hybrid partition table |
| 09:12.21 | ikonia | I can't see anything on it |
| 09:12.24 | klys | gparted is likely ahead of the kernel with partition recognition. |
| 09:12.36 | PublicStaticVoid | They say it is a linux issue because linux cant read the partition table and windows can just fine |
| 09:12.47 | klys | then beat them up |
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| 09:12.54 | PublicStaticVoid | haha |
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| 09:13.04 | klys | curse you stole my data |
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| 09:13.11 | klys | stuff like that |
| 09:13.19 | PublicStaticVoid | See he is still going on about symantics when he clearly knows what I meant |
| 09:13.24 | ikonia | I don't know what you mean |
| 09:13.27 | ikonia | that's why I'm asking you |
| 09:13.33 | ikonia | for any sort of documentation that explains it |
| 09:13.38 | PublicStaticVoid | Well everyon else does, and you are not capable of helping anyways |
| 09:13.45 | klys | type the phrase "hybrid mbr" into wikipedia's search box. |
| 09:13.46 | ikonia | everyone else ? there is one other person talking to you |
| 09:13.50 | PublicStaticVoid | You just want to piss me off and see if you can get me kicked |
| 09:13.53 | klys | read the article you are redirected to. |
| 09:13.55 | PublicStaticVoid | And I am not falling for it |
| 09:14.03 | ikonia | klys: which one, I don't see the articale, |
| 09:14.39 | PublicStaticVoid | I will just ignore him |
| 09:14.51 | laigualdad | @_@ |
| 09:14.56 | klys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_MBR#HYBRIDMBR |
| 09:15.17 | PublicStaticVoid | klys: I hav already looked in Windows Disk Managment Snapin for any type merge or convert function and googled around |
| 09:15.19 | ikonia | got it thank you |
| 09:15.21 | PublicStaticVoid | I do not se anything |
| 09:15.36 | klys | #windows |
| 09:15.43 | PublicStaticVoid | But gdisk does have a curious option |
| 09:15.43 | ikonia | http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/hybrid.html - the first line in this link seems to pretty much explain the problem and reason |
| 09:15.55 | PublicStaticVoid | One sec I will install it and read it to you |
| 09:15.56 | ikonia | [quote] The intent is to keep GPT-unaware OSes and utilities from trying to modify the disk. [/quote] |
| 09:16.35 | PublicStaticVoid | yes except gparted is not gpt unaware obviously |
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| 09:16.49 | PublicStaticVoid | one sec, I will show you the gdisk option |
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| 09:17.18 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: if you read a little more down (it's a longer page than that quote) in the dangers section it explains the situation you appear to be having |
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| 09:17.55 | PublicStaticVoid | No, that is not the situation I am in, I read that hours ago when I started googling. |
| 09:18.18 | ikonia | oh, even the bit that explains gnu parted will try to convert the disk to mbr and fail ? |
| 09:18.21 | ikonia | (when it reads it) |
| 09:18.24 | ikonia | is that not what you are seeing ? |
| 09:18.25 | PublicStaticVoid | Please, I apreciate your efforts. You will be of no assitance. Please leave it to the other users here. |
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| 09:19.20 | PublicStaticVoid | klys: In gdisk |
| 09:19.27 | klys | CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y |
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| 09:19.51 | klys | that's the newest kernel stuff from 3.12.6 |
| 09:19.59 | klys | ...which kernel came out a few days ago |
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| 09:20.36 | klys | there is no GPT config option |
| 09:20.40 | klys | read Kconfig yourself |
| 09:21.26 | klys | look into cvs/git/svn gparted. mebby backport it |
| 09:21.31 | klys | that's all I got |
| 09:21.39 | milligan | I'm setting up a new virtual server and I've decided to use Encypted LVM to protect the data on there, slightly. Is it possible to remove the passphrase during boot so that the machine will boot without interaction ? |
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| 09:22.09 | PublicStaticVoid | klys: gparted has suppoerted this for a long time |
| 09:22.21 | klys | if it supports yers then I can believe it. |
| 09:22.29 | klys | just, it should work for you if it does. |
| 09:22.40 | PublicStaticVoid | Its not a matter of support but a weird confiuration |
| 09:22.53 | PublicStaticVoid | sighs |
| 09:22.59 | klys | grep CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION /boot/config-* |
| 09:23.10 | klys | of you can get your configs with /proc |
| 09:23.46 | klys | *or you can |
| 09:23.49 | klys | :) |
| 09:24.02 | chu | On a Debian wheezy XFCE install here. After I login from lightdm, I'm trying to set some environment variables from ~/.bashrc - but if I source from ~/.xsessionrc (or ~/.(x)profile) the environment variables don't seem to be exported. I'm wondering if there's something obvious I'm missing out on, since most documentation I have read would suggest this should be working. |
| 09:24.20 | PublicStaticVoid | K nevermind you are not understanding |
| 09:24.23 | PublicStaticVoid | Thank you though |
| 09:24.36 | PublicStaticVoid | ikonia: That WHOLE Article is about EFI |
| 09:24.41 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: yes I know |
| 09:24.43 | PublicStaticVoid | I told you I am not using EFI |
| 09:24.47 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: yes I know that too |
| 09:24.59 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: however if you read the info on the partition table it is pretty much the issue you are having |
| 09:25.09 | PublicStaticVoid | No it is not, at all |
| 09:25.20 | ikonia | the fact that the issue is highlighted in an efi articale doesn't really matter |
| 09:25.21 | PublicStaticVoid | Because I am not using EFI |
| 09:25.22 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: it certainly appears to be |
| 09:25.30 | klys | you're not. |
| 09:25.33 | PublicStaticVoid | No its an issue only possible with EFI |
| 09:25.35 | klys | and the kernel doesn't go there. |
| 09:26.02 | PublicStaticVoid | The kernel support both EFI and non EFI wtf re you talking about now? |
| 09:26.04 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: it's not only possible with EFI, it just uses the EFI issue to hilight the risks/problems with this partition layout |
| 09:26.19 | ikonia | I'l leave you to it, as requested though |
| 09:26.22 | PublicStaticVoid | No the issue cannot happen without EFI |
| 09:26.36 | PublicStaticVoid | Because it involves prtective MBR partitions |
| 09:26.38 | klys | find GPT kernel patches with GOOG |
| 09:26.46 | klys | !gpt |
| 09:26.46 | dpkg | GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (<EFI>). util-linux's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gpt/ |
| 09:26.46 | PublicStaticVoid | Which one I do not have and 2 only happens with EFI |
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| 09:27.12 | PublicStaticVoid | You do not need patches |
| 09:27.32 | PublicStaticVoid | Every freaking partioning software supports gpt besides fdisk |
| 09:27.32 | klys | then make menuconfig and read /usr/src/linux/Documentation |
| 09:27.37 | PublicStaticVoid | parted and gdisk do |
| 09:27.48 | PublicStaticVoid | klys: You are confused |
| 09:27.59 | PublicStaticVoid | gparted supports gpt |
| 09:28.05 | klys | that's because gparted for example can read the disk itself without resorting to system calls. |
| 09:28.08 | PublicStaticVoid | and EFI even, even though I m not using it |
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| 09:28.25 | PublicStaticVoid | yes so what you are suggesting will not help; |
| 09:28.46 | PublicStaticVoid | Gparted should read my partition table just fine |
| 09:28.48 | klys | no kernel support. you may need a patch. I suggest this. |
| 09:28.53 | PublicStaticVoid | Why? |
| 09:28.58 | klys | no kernel support. |
| 09:29.13 | PublicStaticVoid | All the partitioning software I would use already supports this with no calls to the kernel.. |
| 09:29.18 | klys | that's because gparted for example can read the disk itself without resorting to system calls. |
| 09:29.26 | PublicStaticVoid | so I do not need to patch my kernel |
| 09:29.32 | PublicStaticVoid | Yes I know this |
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| 09:29.37 | PublicStaticVoid | You are maing no sense |
| 09:29.56 | klys | if the only program you want to run is gparted and you are ok booting linux only from cd or usb then yeah, knock yourself out. |
| 09:30.00 | PublicStaticVoid | I think I can fix it with gdisk somehow |
| 09:30.18 | PublicStaticVoid | klys: Okay you are trolling now |
| 09:30.20 | klys | :( |
| 09:30.24 | PublicStaticVoid | You realize gparted is what the installers use |
| 09:30.31 | PublicStaticVoid | and it is all I need to work |
| 09:30.44 | PublicStaticVoid | no one patches their damn kernel for gpt |
| 09:30.52 | PublicStaticVoid | they just use software that supports it |
| 09:31.05 | PublicStaticVoid | I need to install linux with an installer that uses gparted |
| 09:31.16 | klys | I think this is not for linux. seek help elsewhere. |
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| 09:31.17 | PublicStaticVoid | so I need gparted to read my partition table |
| 09:31.23 | PublicStaticVoid | it is linux |
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| 09:31.37 | PublicStaticVoid | I am installing linux, linux can not read my partition table |
| 09:31.45 | klys | gparted, I have said this, does not ask the kernel how to find partitions. |
| 09:31.48 | PublicStaticVoid | What you mean t say, is you have no idea and you cannot help. |
| 09:32.00 | PublicStaticVoid | klys: I know, that is a god thing |
| 09:32.05 | PublicStaticVoid | it doesnt need to |
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| 09:32.13 | PublicStaticVoid | So you make no sense |
| 09:32.29 | klys | :( |
| 09:32.34 | PublicStaticVoid | gdisk had some option earlier |
| 09:32.39 | PublicStaticVoid | I cant find it now |
| 09:33.51 | jelly | PublicStaticVoid: apparently the installer assumes GPT means UEFI support, and it's common to have that one small partition for UEFI, where grub would put its stuff. Unfortunately I have to idea how to (re)create it and make the installer happy |
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| 09:34.27 | PublicStaticVoid | Note that gptsync also starts its 0xEE partition at the beginning of the disk, so it creates a Linux-compatible hybrid MBR. If you adjust the hybrid MBR with fdisk so that the 0xEE partition covers a later area of the disk, Linux becomes unable to find any partitions on the disk. |
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| 09:35.17 | PublicStaticVoid | jelly it doesnt want an EFI partition it says it expects a fake msdos partition table.. |
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| 09:35.34 | zxd | what package aircrack-ng removed from wheezy |
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| 09:36.10 | PublicStaticVoid | Maybe I can just switch my bios back to UEFI write a new MBR and use my Windows recovery to do a startup repair? |
| 09:36.25 | PublicStaticVoid | but a startup repair would break any bootloader |
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| 09:37.08 | SteveHyuga | zxd download the source from official site |
| 09:37.17 | klys | dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr_and_cyl0_backup.bin bs=512 count=<sectors_per_track> |
| 09:37.38 | klys | from fdisk -l |
| 09:37.55 | PublicStaticVoid | the backup is not neccesary |
| 09:38.02 | klys | also backup any stuff from the end of the disk |
| 09:38.05 | PublicStaticVoid | the recovery tool will fix it |
| 09:38.13 | klys | so you can restore your partition boot sector |
| 09:38.16 | klys | to boot grub2 |
| 09:38.17 | PublicStaticVoid | th end of the disk is empty |
| 09:38.58 | PublicStaticVoid | I think I just need to repair the mbr |
| 09:39.19 | PublicStaticVoid | and the windows recovery will hopefully work to get winows booting again |
| 09:39.23 | PublicStaticVoid | then i can install Linux |
| 09:39.24 | klys | if that is familiar enough to you that you know it will restore access to grub2 then more power to you |
| 09:39.34 | PublicStaticVoid | I didnt say that |
| 09:39.39 | PublicStaticVoid | because it makes no sense |
| 09:39.48 | PublicStaticVoid | because I have no grub2 installed |
| 09:39.54 | klys | oic. |
| 09:39.58 | PublicStaticVoid | I havent installed linux yet |
| 09:40.05 | PublicStaticVoid | That is the whole issue |
| 09:40.22 | PublicStaticVoid | I just have Windows installed |
| 09:40.54 | klys | in related news: xenserver.org expects to write to an empty disk upon install, and creates efi partitions. |
| 09:41.03 | PublicStaticVoid | and I have empty space for linux |
| 09:41.03 | ikonia | I'm wondering if the bit where you said "I used fdisk to move the partition to a different part of the disk" has actually caused the problem |
| 09:41.04 | ikonia | as I'm not sure how you can "move" a partition in fdisk |
| 09:41.06 | PublicStaticVoid | I never ever said that |
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| 09:41.21 | PublicStaticVoid | I never used fdisk |
| 09:41.24 | klys | so if you were expecting to use processor virtualization extensions specific to xen, look into installing that first |
| 09:41.28 | PublicStaticVoid | nor did I say I moved a partition |
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| 09:41.46 | PublicStaticVoid | wy must you fail so hard at trlling ikonia? |
| 09:41.52 | PublicStaticVoid | Show me where I said that |
| 09:41.54 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid> Note that gptsync also starts its 0xEE partition at the beginning of the disk, so it creates a Linux-compatible hybrid MBR. If you adjust the hybrid MBR with fdisk so that the 0xEE partition covers a later area of the disk, |
| 09:42.09 | PublicStaticVoid | That was a quote from your article |
| 09:42.11 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: did you not mean you've moved the partition to a later area on the disk ? |
| 09:42.20 | ikonia | PublicStaticVoid: ahhh, I thought you where saying you'd done that |
| 09:42.21 | ikonia | sorry |
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| 09:43.04 | klys | most mbr / bootsector backups can be used from grub2 as a chainloader. so your backup is worthwhile. |
| 09:43.11 | PublicStaticVoid | I wish I could find the option in gdisk I saw earlier that seemed relevant |
| 09:43.34 | PublicStaticVoid | I dont have abackup, dont need one |
| 09:43.46 | PublicStaticVoid | I have a recovery USB |
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| 09:44.26 | PublicStaticVoid | if I tel gdisk to print protective mbr data it does print something |
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| 09:46.12 | PublicStaticVoid | There is an option to convert gpt to mbr and quit |
| 09:46.17 | PublicStaticVoid | in gdisk |
| 09:46.29 | PublicStaticVoid | I wonder if this will be helpful |
| 09:46.37 | PublicStaticVoid | I am going to take a risk and try it |
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| 09:47.03 | PublicStaticVoid | just prints : Warning: 0xEE partition doesn't start on sector 1. This can cause problems |
| 09:47.06 | PublicStaticVoid | in some OSes. |
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| 09:47.37 | PublicStaticVoid | I think I am going to have to start all over and reinstall windows |
| 09:47.48 | PublicStaticVoid | I dont know what else to do |
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| 09:47.59 | PublicStaticVoid | Or if this won't just happen again |
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| 09:49.27 | PublicStaticVoid | aha |
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| 09:49.30 | PublicStaticVoid | it worked |
| 09:49.39 | PublicStaticVoid | Well i dont know if windows will load |
| 09:49.57 | PublicStaticVoid | But gparted reads my partiton table now! |
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| 09:50.12 | PublicStaticVoid | Sorry for all the continuous lines |
| 09:50.30 | klys | if it doesn't, get the .iso out, qemu it or burn it, and go through the steps to restore windows boot to the partition. |
| 09:50.36 | PublicStaticVoid | I have a recovery USB |
| 09:50.41 | jelly | it's not like anyone else is asking for help at the momeny, anyway |
| 09:50.43 | PublicStaticVoid | should fi everything |
| 09:50.58 | PublicStaticVoid | but will also destroy Warning: 0xEE partition doesn't start on sector 1. This can cause problems |
| 09:51.03 | PublicStaticVoid | in some OSes. |
| 09:51.03 | PublicStaticVoid | grub |
| 09:51.18 | PublicStaticVoid | oops didnt mean to paste |
| 09:51.21 | PublicStaticVoid | I guess I should see if windows boots now the install linux |
| 09:51.30 | klys | you can use gparted and the .iso recovery procedure to resize and move it back to sector 1. |
| 09:51.36 | PublicStaticVoid | because if run the recovery after it will most likely break grub |
| 09:51.57 | PublicStaticVoid | .iso recovery? |
| 09:52.05 | klys | it's on the ms website |
| 09:52.11 | PublicStaticVoid | I am not sure which partition it wants at th begining |
| 09:52.23 | PublicStaticVoid | I have a recovery media already |
| 09:52.30 | PublicStaticVoid | I said that so many times lol |
| 09:52.39 | klys | hopefully when you get your wits together you can reserve the first part of the disk and have some fun with it. |
| 09:52.46 | PublicStaticVoid | Anyways I will see if it boot now |
| 09:52.56 | PublicStaticVoid | my wits? |
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| 09:53.06 | klys | ...when everything works |
| 09:53.11 | PublicStaticVoid | I am the one who fixed it and the only on who actually understof the issue |
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| 09:53.16 | PublicStaticVoid | wow |
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| 09:55.47 | ikonia | he's fixed it |
| 09:55.48 | ikonia | ? |
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| 09:59.57 | ikonia | klys: the reason he didn't ask/follow this up in ##windows as you suggested earlier 04:02 -!- mode/##windows [+q *!*@unaffiliated/publicstaticvoid] by ChanServ |
| 10:00.15 | klys | yes, I have a guess |
| 10:00.19 | ikonia | be interested to know how he fixed it |
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| 10:00.39 | klys | "I already asked there. Told me it was a linux problem." to paraphrase |
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| 10:00.58 | klys | he used gpart to fix it |
| 10:00.59 | ikonia | turns out "asked, no-one said it was a linux problem, they just didn't like his rude attitude so muted him" |
| 10:01.06 | Almtesh | Hi everyone. |
| 10:01.08 | ikonia | no-one seemed to say it was a linux problem, |
| 10:01.24 | Almtesh | I want to install an OS on a iSCSI hard drive. |
| 10:01.28 | klys | that sounds like it's mmebby just a nick |
| 10:01.41 | Almtesh | Anyone knows how to do that? |
| 10:01.48 | klys | are you running xen...? |
| 10:02.02 | klys | I know it refers to iscsi on normal systems |
| 10:02.19 | klys | I haven't seen iscsi hardware, only sas "serial attached scsi." |
| 10:02.21 | Almtesh | No, it's not about xen. |
| 10:02.35 | klys | good luck with that |
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| 10:03.47 | Penix | Almtesh: you'll need some hideous combination of pxe/tftp and custom initrd. there are guides around describing the process. hit google. have fun |
| 10:03.50 | petern_ | You probably need to jump off PXE boot first. |
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| 10:04.36 | PublicStaticVoid | So everything worked, Windows did not boot, the recovery tool Startup repaired fixed it.. I am now Installing the LEDE :) |
| 10:04.46 | PublicStaticVoid | Thanks for all your help and effort |
| 10:05.49 | PublicStaticVoid | If you ever run into anyone else with th issue just have them use gdisk to convert gpt partitions to mbr partitons and use the startup repair. After indow will boot and gparted will read your partition table fine. |
| 10:06.04 | PublicStaticVoid | ikonia: Thanks. |
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| 10:06.36 | PublicStaticVoid | And the other guy I cant remeber your name haha |
| 10:06.39 | klys | hii |
| 10:06.42 | PublicStaticVoid | You |
| 10:06.44 | klys | you're welcome |
| 10:06.46 | PublicStaticVoid | Thank you as well |
| 10:06.59 | PublicStaticVoid | Happy, have wanted to try Mint Debian |
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| 10:07.12 | PublicStaticVoid | Rolling release of Mint, should be fun. |
| 10:07.12 | klys | have wanted to use cinnamon as well |
| 10:07.20 | PublicStaticVoid | I love cinnamon |
| 10:07.21 | klys | but I think it's systemd-only |
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| 10:07.37 | PublicStaticVoid | Havent been able to get it to work with Ubuntu 14.04 or 13.10 |
| 10:07.42 | klys | I can describe the problem if you want |
| 10:07.43 | mutante | free alternative to mint.com would be nice :P |
| 10:07.43 | petern_ | Psst, this is #debian ;p |
| 10:07.45 | PublicStaticVoid | Thats why I am going with Mint |
| 10:07.56 | PublicStaticVoid | But Mint Debian sems sexiest |
| 10:07.56 | klys | also, mint is #mint |
| 10:08.12 | PublicStaticVoid | pet2001: Psst we are talking about mint-debian |
| 10:08.17 | klys | ,version cinnamon |
| 10:08.18 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 1.7.4-2.2+b1 |
| 10:08.21 | Penix | PublicStaticVoid: which isn't debian |
| 10:08.22 | PublicStaticVoid | yeah on another server |
| 10:08.32 | Thraul | debian is debian all others are just knock offs :P |
| 10:08.38 | PublicStaticVoid | Haha |
| 10:08.46 | PublicStaticVoid | Debian did spawn the demon |
| 10:08.54 | PublicStaticVoid | Think you know wht I mean ;) |
| 10:09.17 | Thraul | lol |
| 10:09.20 | PublicStaticVoid | But hey it increased linux desktop marketshare so YEY |
| 10:09.26 | klys | you can talk about cinnamon, I am having issues with it though. |
| 10:09.35 | PublicStaticVoid | Yeah I was to |
| 10:09.37 | mutante | forkbuntu - cause the desktop background matters |
| 10:09.42 | PublicStaticVoid | Nothing loaded but background |
| 10:09.50 | Thraul | i like my debian desktop i'll stick with it. :P |
| 10:10.05 | PublicStaticVoid | Debian is still using Gnome2 yes? |
| 10:10.36 | mutante | PublicStaticVoid: you can also just install e17 :) |
| 10:10.37 | Penix | PublicStaticVoid: no |
| 10:10.37 | PublicStaticVoid | eww |
| 10:10.43 | Thraul | dunno i just installed base debian then just installed everything else on top. i am using openbox |
| 10:10.48 | PublicStaticVoid | Penix: Oh what does it use now? |
| 10:10.57 | PublicStaticVoid | What does it use by default |
| 10:10.58 | Penix | PublicStaticVoid: gnome 3 by default |
| 10:11.12 | PublicStaticVoid | oh... |
| 10:11.12 | mutante | the new gnome everybody hated first, but then got used to it (tm) |
| 10:11.19 | klys | I got cinnamon to load, though clicking on the taskboar or menu button froze it. I am running it in chroot. the system mounts everything in chroot and run all the stuff in /etc/init.d before starting cinnamon. confirmed that I can use `kill' to get cinnamon back. just any clickong in the wrong place and I have to do it again. |
| 10:11.21 | petern_ | No, I still hate it. |
| 10:11.22 | PublicStaticVoid | Just plain naked Gnome 3? |
| 10:11.32 | Penix | PublicStaticVoid: no. customized slightly |
| 10:11.36 | PublicStaticVoid | Oh god |
| 10:11.44 | PublicStaticVoid | cause Gnome3 out of the box is weird |
| 10:11.59 | somiaj | gnome3 is only the default 'desktop task' you have plenty of options to choose other de/wm when installing debian. |
| 10:12.00 | mutante | it's an acquired taste |
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| 10:12.18 | PublicStaticVoid | Okay gunna boot this biatch and install the AMD Binary since the opensource driver doesnt work :( |
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| 10:12.38 | klys | decided I was happy enough with nemo as x-window-manager, don't want a menubar anyway. |
| 10:12.54 | somiaj | PublicStaticVoid: what do you mean? the 'radeon' driver isn't suting your needs? did you isntall the package linux-firmware-nonfree? |
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| 10:13.25 | petern_ | Remember when compiz was all the rage... |
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| 10:13.36 | klys | I prolly wasn't around for that |
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| 10:18.06 | doebi | how do i see the local dns cache? |
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| 10:19.36 | mutante | doebi: you may not have one, unless you run nscd or something |
| 10:20.25 | mutante | nscd -g ? |
| 10:21.45 | doebi | command not found |
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| 10:22.24 | mutante | doebi: i guess you don't have a local cache then |
| 10:22.38 | klys | make sure you sudo that to get to sbin |
| 10:22.52 | mutante | eh yea |
| 10:23.14 | doebi | yeah i did sudo |
| 10:23.17 | mutante | do you specifically want one? or is it just that you expect it from windows ipconfig /flushdns that you need to clean it |
| 10:23.19 | petern_ | Even then it's probably not installed :) |
| 10:23.19 | doebi | i didnt have int installed |
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| 10:26.03 | doebi | we had to do some exercises for university, one was to flush our local dns cache (profs assume we use windows) <.< |
| 10:26.07 | mutante | doebi: tell him "if it was Windows ipconfig /flushdns, but i dont use that, so not needed, or /etc/init.d/nscd restart or something :) |
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| 10:26.46 | doebi | yeah.. it's so frustrating that almost anything in our university is based on windows... |
| 10:27.18 | klys | does your cs department advocate the use of gcc |
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| 10:27.49 | mutante | let me guess, MS lobbied with the student editions of MS office |
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| 10:30.26 | doebi | mhm |
| 10:30.37 | klys | so, does advocate gcc. what's this |
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| 10:30.53 | M4dH4TT3r | hello trying to get tightvnc to work properly in debian |
| 10:31.11 | klys | has tightvnc running |
| 10:31.11 | doebi | klys: yeah we use gcc and also code on linux, but only during c for one semester |
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| 10:31.29 | klys | so, does the department promise you a job when you get out |
| 10:31.34 | M4dH4TT3r | I get password prompt on viewer then goes to handshakking |
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| 10:32.02 | doebi | klys: sure |
| 10:32.02 | klys | $ vncpasswd |
| 10:32.20 | klys | and before you do that, kill your server(s) |
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| 10:32.41 | klys | I think what you need is a straight answer. a job using what |
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| 10:33.25 | PublicStaticVoid | Wh wa asking me about my Radeon driver issue befoe I left? |
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| 10:34.14 | M4dH4TT3r | nope |
| 10:34.30 | M4dH4TT3r | in ssh just goes to handshaking |
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| 10:35.18 | M4dH4TT3r | and in gui:5900 just refuses connecction |
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| 10:36.37 | aborrero | hi there |
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| 10:36.45 | ChrisH | M4dH4TT3r: against what VNC server? |
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| 10:37.20 | M4dH4TT3r | tightvncserver |
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| 10:38.08 | M4dH4TT3r | putty seems to work fine though |
| 10:38.11 | ChrisH | on Debian? |
| 10:38.18 | M4dH4TT3r | yes |
| 10:38.31 | ChrisH | VNC is different from ssh |
| 10:38.35 | M4dH4TT3r | ik |
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| 10:39.22 | ChrisH | ssh to the vncserver and check vncserver using lsof -p PID if and where it listens. |
| 10:39.35 | M4dH4TT3r | but when I try ssh with tightvncviewer it goes to handshaking and never returns when i try 5900 it just refuses |
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| 10:40.25 | M4dH4TT3r | I have3 top running on screen |
| 10:40.28 | klys | publicstaticvoid: fownit |
| 10:40.30 | klys | 10:12 < somiaj> PublicStaticVoid: what do you mean? the 'radeon' driver isn't suting your needs? did you isntall the package linux-firmware-nonfree? |
| 10:40.49 | PublicStaticVoid | lol thx |
| 10:41.11 | M4dH4TT3r | lsof not found |
| 10:41.14 | PublicStaticVoid | i meant the opensource driver doesnt wor my hardware is to new |
| 10:41.26 | PublicStaticVoid | the binary does work though |
| 10:41.27 | ChrisH | M4dH4TT3r: ? ssh with tightvncviewer ? apt-get install lsof |
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| 10:41.54 | M4dH4TT3r | k and yes |
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| 10:42.16 | PublicStaticVoid | omg the linuxmint channel is so bad haha |
| 10:42.34 | M4dH4TT3r | so it matches the os? |
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| 10:42.52 | PublicStaticVoid | The OS is Linux.. |
| 10:42.56 | PublicStaticVoid | The Distro..? |
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| 10:43.01 | M4dH4TT3r | yes |
| 10:43.07 | klys | besides, sysvinit is technologically superior to systemd. someone just needs to write a gnome control center that can manage initscripts. |
| 10:43.14 | PublicStaticVoid | i dont mind it haha |
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| 10:43.36 | PublicStaticVoid | eh i prefer systemd |
| 10:43.45 | klys | then you don't prefer debian. |
| 10:43.48 | klys | =) |
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| 10:43.57 | PublicStaticVoid | I used Debian for 3 years lol |
| 10:44.09 | PublicStaticVoid | I just enjoyed systemd when i was on Arch |
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| 10:44.19 | klys | I've used it since the turn of the century. |
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| 10:44.43 | PublicStaticVoid | seems more user friendly from cli |
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| 10:45.16 | PublicStaticVoid | its all better than upstart haha |
| 10:45.21 | M4dH4TT3r | port 5902? |
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| 10:45.59 | klys | when I was reading the systemd startup howto, I saw some stuff that is no longer in Kconfig. the latest kernel may or may not support systemd out of the box. |
| 10:46.10 | M4dH4TT3r | thanks that was prob |
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| 10:46.32 | PublicStaticVoid | It does |
| 10:46.39 | M4dH4TT3r | lmao desktop is weird as hell with lightdm gone lmfao |
| 10:46.41 | PublicStaticVoid | I have 2 Arch LAMP Servers |
| 10:46.46 | PublicStaticVoid | Using latest Kernel |
| 10:46.50 | ChrisH | !offtopic |
| 10:46.51 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 10:47.01 | klys | if you really want to support systemd, try to fix docs errors such as those. |
| 10:47.24 | PublicStaticVoid | ChrisH: You see ANYONE asking for help right now? |
| 10:47.50 | ChrisH | M4dH4TT3r: tightvncviewer should have shown you the port used while starting up. |
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| 10:55.26 | gisli | I'm looking for a way to automatically install Debian and it would be great if IP's, hostnames and such could be set in a similar way that the cobbler webui does it. Any ideas? |
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| 10:56.19 | PublicStaticVoid | oem image |
| 10:56.23 | klys | man interfaces; hostname > /etc/hostname; etc... |
| 10:56.32 | mutante | gisli: when you say Debian and automatic install the first thing that comes to mind is FAI http://fai-project.org/ but no idea about the webui |
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| 10:57.32 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell gisli about preseed |
| 10:57.42 | ChrisH | gisli: maybe thats the answer |
| 10:57.43 | M4dH4TT3r | quick question: where do you change resolution? in tightvncviewer or deb serv (screen is way to big |
| 10:57.45 | M4dH4TT3r | ) |
| 10:58.32 | spacepluk | hi, I'd like to install intel's xorg driver from source because the packages available on debian are too old. Is it enough if I just uninstall the debian package and then install my compiled version? |
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| 10:58.57 | yago | Hi all, trying to DNAT upd port 29333 to some internal IP, but shorewall keeps dropping the packages. Already followed instructions on the FAQ but it doesn't work |
| 10:59.04 | yago | Here is my rules config: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=BCgDQy2V |
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| 10:59.09 | yago | And the syslog: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ec2yVdjH |
| 11:00.19 | gisli | ChrisH: yeah that's what I'm looking at but the problem is that a not so computer-smart person needs to be able to make those installs and when it's used to a UI it's hard to let it have a cli kind-of-thing... |
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| 11:00.58 | ChrisH | spacepluk: "too old" means: missing card support or the version number is not shiny high enough? Did you check backports if there a newer version is avalibale? |
| 11:01.21 | M4dH4TT3r | gui is hard, cli is easy |
| 11:02.18 | ChrisH | gisli: Might sound hard. But if you are not a "so computer-smart person" why do you need to autoinstall systems? This is normally a job for admins. |
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| 11:03.46 | spacepluk | ChrisH: I'm on a testing/sid/experimental system, all of them are old compared to the latest version from intel. I'm experiencing a bug in text rendering on SNA mode, that seems related to the driver, so I'd like to try the new one. |
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| 11:04.11 | mutante | gisli: make a usb flash drive for them once with an image ? |
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| 11:06.26 | M4dH4TT3r | hey not sure if anyone knows this but saw a deb package before on another sys that put time ip cpu info etc on the desktop bg anyone know what package that might be? |
| 11:06.36 | gisli | ChrisH: We have a datacenter, we have clients that buy machines, we install the OS and then we setup networking and hand the machine over to the client. For centos we use cobbler and a non-admin (guy that's main job is to rack the machines) opens the cobbler webui, adds the new system, provides a mac-address and network information. Then he fires up the machine and centos is ready in 4 minutes. We don't need an admin for these setups. |
| 11:06.55 | somiaj | M4dH4TT3r: are you talking about conky or various other applications like that? |
| 11:06.59 | gisli | M4dH4TT3r:conky |
| 11:07.07 | M4dH4TT3r | ok thanks |
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| 11:08.05 | mutante | gisli: how about setting up TFTP/PXE server, managing the images there and letting the tech guy just boot from PXE |
| 11:08.41 | mutante | you would add the MAC in the install server config once |
| 11:08.52 | mutante | and he would get the rest via DHCP |
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| 11:09.42 | ChrisH | gisli: thats a valid request :) I never did use d-i preseed myself. But my suggestion wuld be similar to mutante. Create a simple webapp to take these values and setup TFTP,PXE,preseed, DHCP via script. |
| 11:09.48 | milligan | I'm making a Virtualbox image that's going to run a server with some software I have written. What would be the best way to encrypt the content on the image, so no one could i.e mount it and get my source code? I still want someone that has the image to be able to boot it up and get to the login prompt (where as my software will have been started and runs as a service). |
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| 11:12.54 | gisli | mutante, ChrisH: We use dhcp and pxe-boot, the network switches are configured so that when a new machine is connected it automatically is put on a dhcp-vlan which is connected to cobbler. But it seems I have to either make a webapp or just have him answer some questions in the "preseed-install". |
| 11:13.23 | gisli | was just hoping Debian had some elegant tool for this. But thanks anyways ;) |
| 11:14.00 | mutante | gisli: yea, i think what you want then is writing an answer file for that |
| 11:14.09 | mutante | so that it becomes unattended install |
| 11:14.36 | mutante | make it read the answers from a pre-generated config |
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| 11:16.06 | M4dH4TT3r | how do you configure conky so it looks different? tried installing lm-sensors but detect command bringing back mathkernel error |
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| 11:19.24 | TomyWork | hi |
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| 11:20.16 | M4dH4TT3r | hello |
| 11:20.29 | TomyWork | i have a bunch of packaged that should mutually conflict. can i just enter all of them under "Conflicts", including the package itself? will debuild filter that out? |
| 11:20.41 | TomyWork | (or dpkg) |
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| 11:20.54 | TomyWork | or will the package not be installable at all in that case? |
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| 11:21.55 | jimcooncat | I have a working installation on a flash drive (installed like a hard drive) with / on sdb2 and /home on sdb1. I want to copy the files to a fresh hard drive, / on sda1, /home on sda3. I realize I'll have to fix fstab and grub to boot from the hard drive after. What commands to properly copy the files? |
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| 11:25.34 | somiaj | jimcooncat: you will want to boot up off a live system to do this (not the flashdrive) |
| 11:25.39 | somiaj | jimcooncat: then cp -a or rsync -a will work |
| 11:25.49 | jimcooncat | somaij, yes I have it booted on a live cd away from these drives |
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| 11:26.41 | jimcooncat | cp -a to preserve links, permissions, etc? thanks |
| 11:27.10 | ChrisH | jimcooncat: tar / rsync might be the better approach. |
| 11:27.11 | somiaj | correct |
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| 11:27.55 | Pinchiukas | Why doesn't the kernel update if I do a dist-upgrade 6->7? |
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| 11:28.51 | Walex | Pinchiukas: the running kernel? |
| 11:29.11 | Pinchiukas | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 11:30.30 | somiaj | Pinchiukas: most likely don't have the kernel meta package installed |
| 11:31.02 | Pinchiukas | What is it called? |
| 11:31.18 | Pinchiukas | I think I installed the kernel by installing "linux-image". |
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| 11:32.29 | somiaj | there is no package by that name, but there are lots of packages called linux-image-foo, one of them is the meta package, the rest are packages for a very paticular kernel, look at 'dpkg -l | grep linux' |
| 11:32.32 | epsilon | is there any vnc viewer starting from shell and supports scaling to fullscreen? |
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| 11:33.14 | pzn | for testing purposes (2x smtp-servers), how can I force the instalation of 2 conflicting packages? later I'll change the port of one of them |
| 11:33.50 | Pinchiukas | I guess that would be linux-image-2.6-686. |
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| 11:34.13 | Pinchiukas | Is there a more generic package name? |
| 11:34.44 | somiaj | Pinchiukas: the meta package name might have changed in wheezy to just linux-image-686 |
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| 11:35.36 | somiaj | ,v linux-image-686 |
| 11:35.41 | judd | Package: linux-image-686 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46 |
| 11:36.19 | Pinchiukas | It seems you're right. |
| 11:37.13 | gisli | mutante: yeah, that's what I had in mind. Cheers. |
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| 11:46.43 | Kuba | hey |
| 11:46.44 | Kuba | is it safe to use dot in the interface name? |
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| 11:46.59 | babilen | Kuba: Are you sure you meant to ask #debian ? |
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| 11:47.44 | Kuba | babilen: yep, because debian has some specific network init scripts, I've read somethin about turning interface into VLAN when there is a dot |
| 11:48.02 | petn-randall | thims: Picking up an yesterday's discussion, I don't see why you couldn't have the 32 and 64 bit version installed. But if you can't, there's a reason. But I don't see the benefit of having them both installed, either. |
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| 11:48.09 | babilen | Kuba: Ah! Network interfaces! |
| 11:49.05 | Kuba | babilen: oh, forgot to mention :( |
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| 11:49.29 | Kuba | then anyone knows if it's safe to use dot (".") in the network interface name? |
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| 11:50.42 | mutante | hmm, would look like a sub-interface? |
| 11:50.43 | babilen | Kuba: You are right in that it is a convention to use it for VLANs, I am not 100% sure if it has any ramifications in other contexts, but I would refrain from using it if you don't find information to assure you otherwise. |
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| 11:51.28 | Kuba | mutante: nope I want to use domain as interface name |
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| 11:51.52 | sandGorgon | does anyone know which ppa to use for gnome 3.10 ? |
| 11:52.12 | wols | sandGorgon: there are no PPAs |
| 11:52.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell sandGorgon -about ppa |
| 11:52.29 | petn-randall | sandGorgon: If you're running Ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu. |
| 11:52.33 | MO_Handes | apt-get install libqt5core5 wants to download libqt5core5_5.1.1+dfsg-6_amd64.deb which is not in jessie repositories at http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qtbase-opensource-src/ ! how to fix this? |
| 11:52.44 | petn-randall | !jessie |
| 11:52.44 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie freeze>. |
| 11:53.06 | petn-randall | MO_Handes: You can better get support there ^^^ |
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| 11:53.51 | babilen | MO_Handes: First and foremost: Don't use ftp.debian.org as mirror but a local one (e.g. ftp.uk.debian.org) or one of our metamirrors like http.debian.net -- Secondly read "/msg dpkg bat" and thirdly ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net where we support jessie/testing and unstable. |
| 11:54.25 | MO_Handes | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.32 | sandGorgon | babilen, wols well I'm a recent convert ;) just got an image of debian jessie (testing) and I think I can install software from all these sources right ? |
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| 11:54.44 | petn-randall | MO_Handes: Not on freenode, on OFTC, as the message says. |
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| 11:56.50 | sandGorgon | babilen, wols I think you will see a lot of converts over the next couple of months from people sick of unity, mir , etc. |
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| 11:57.23 | sKeiths | I am currently on squeeze / gnome2. I wan't to upgrade to wheezy, but am afraid of gnome3 an useability. Can you recomend a package that can do a snapshot of my system so that I can revert if all goes wrong. |
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| 11:58.02 | MO_Handes | http://paste.debian.net/75200/ |
| 11:58.24 | rozie | sKeiths: just make full backup of system |
| 11:58.30 | dobohes | can i use debian repos with setamOS? |
| 11:58.35 | babilen | sandGorgon: Please don't use the jessie/testing installer as it is likely *not* usable and really not meant to install testing at this point in the release cycle but rather for testing the new version of the installer. |
| 11:58.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell sandGorgon -about install debian |
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| 11:59.53 | MO_Handes | babilen, jessie installer worked well for me |
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| 12:00.58 | babilen | sandGorgon: If you plan to track testing then I would recommend to install a minimal wheezy system (i.e. only standard task) during the initial installation and to upgrade that to jessie immediately. (cf. <wheezy->jessie>) I would recommend to use the <firmware image> for that if you have a halfway decent internet connection and I would also recommend to read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable (e.g. make sure you have apt-listbugs installed ... |
| 12:00.58 | babilen | ... and so on) |
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| 12:01.26 | sandGorgon | babilen, I'm on a virtualbox VM - so am pretty comfortable (and safe) using the jessie installer. |
| 12:01.42 | babilen | MO_Handes: Lucky you. Yes, the installer is not intentionally broken and might work at one point with a specific set of options on particular hardware, but it is really not meant to be used right now. Please note that you can also install testing with the stable installer, but we don't recommend that either. |
| 12:02.24 | babilen | sandGorgon: Well, it is not really supported and you might encounter all kind of problems. If you really insist on installing testing right away then at least use the wheezy installer to do so. |
| 12:02.32 | babilen | But then I wouldn't support that either. |
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| 12:09.57 | lynks | I am finding that mutt+gnutls is still broken on wheezy. Is there a guide somehwere on how to compile it with openssl rather than gnutls? |
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| 12:10.48 | petn-randall | lynks: How is it broken? Is there a bug report yet? |
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| 12:11.11 | lynks | petn-randall: the bug reports are all from aroun 2009 |
| 12:11.21 | lynks | petn-randall: mostly people arguing over whether the bug is in mutt or gnutls. people report that compiling with openssl works perfectly |
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| 12:11.41 | lynks | https://savannah.gnu.org/support/index.php?106987 |
| 12:11.49 | lynks | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533647 |
| 12:11.55 | lynks | petn-randall: ^^ examples |
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| 12:31.19 | unixpenguin | hi |
| 12:31.20 | unixpenguin | Can the tee command also used for piping into another program / command / invocation instead into a file? |
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| 12:33.49 | nkuttler | unixpenguin: check the info page |
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| 12:36.01 | unixpenguin | nkuttler: I did that, apparently it does only support files. |
| 12:36.18 | nkuttler | unixpenguin: there are examples that stream to proceses.. |
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| 12:41.48 | unixpenguin | nkuttler: on the man page for tee? |
| 12:41.58 | fourty2 | can anyone perhaps tell me why startx works perfectly and why slim that uses the login_cmd 'exec /bin/bash -login /etc/X11/Xsession default' is waiting for xserver to accept connections? This is on a freshly installed debian 7.3 |
| 12:42.05 | pikaro | I use apt-get from the command line a lot, and I like to play around with compiling things myself, so when I install -dev packets, I always end up with a huge "manually installed" list. same with installing dependency libraries for python code etc. I find that annoying, so is there a way to make apt-get install not mark the packages as "manually installed", but "automatically installed" by default? I'd rather make an equivs or checkinstall p |
| 12:42.05 | pikaro | ackage for experimental stuff I'd like to keep and have all the unused libraries uninstalled with autoremove again. |
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| 12:42.48 | nkuttler | unixpenguin: blame the GNU people for not writing proper manpages.. |
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| 12:44.35 | Kuba | erm |
| 12:44.51 | Kuba | why is it possible to `ifconfig lo` and `ifconfig *lo0*`? |
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| 12:45.04 | Kuba | whereas only one device is available: lo |
| 12:45.04 | Kuba | ? |
| 12:45.10 | Kuba | looks like a bug to me |
| 12:45.25 | pikaro | themill, that sounds interesting. but does that work for things that were never intended to be a debian packet, for instance by interpreting configure's output? or would I have to make a control file? |
| 12:47.03 | themill | pikaro: mk-build-deps wants a control file; you could generically use equivs to make a similar thing for your other building though (mk-build-deps is just using equivs for you) |
| 12:47.20 | nkuttler | Kuba: hm? pastebin command + output please |
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| 12:48.07 | Kuba | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/1ce15f81 |
| 12:48.08 | nkuttler | Kuba: while you're at it, also paste ls *lo0* |
| 12:48.12 | pikaro | alright, then I guess writing a script to make an equivs package myself is easier. so there's no option like "install as automatically installed" in apt-get? |
| 12:48.36 | nkuttler | Kuba: oh, i see.. |
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| 12:48.47 | themill | pikaro: you could re-run the same command with apt-mark straight away. |
| 12:48.54 | Kuba | nkuttler: this really drives me nuts |
| 12:48.55 | nkuttler | Kuba: please don't emphasize things in commands you type.. |
| 12:49.03 | Kuba | ah, okay |
| 12:49.14 | Kuba | anyway, I think this is a bug |
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| 12:49.46 | Kuba | nkuttler: it's not documented anywhere and stops me from defining following interfaces: lan (bridge), lan0, lan1 |
| 12:49.50 | pikaro | themill, I did not know about apt-mark... now I feel like an idiot. that will certainly do. thanks! |
| 12:50.08 | nkuttler | Kuba: looks to me like ifconfig just defaults to 0 for the number |
| 12:50.35 | Kuba | nkuttler: yeah, but if there are two interfaces, one without and one with ifconfig treats them as the same device |
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| 12:50.58 | nkuttler | Kuba: you mean ifconfig eth lists eth0 and eth1? |
| 12:51.09 | Kuba | no |
| 12:51.22 | Kuba | nkuttler: ifconfig eth applies to both eth and eth0 |
| 12:52.01 | nkuttler | Kuba: well, considering that ifconfig is depreacted anyway.. |
| 12:52.27 | apm1 | whats the GNU equivalent for the BSD dhclient <interface> ? |
| 12:52.30 | Kuba | nkuttler: moreover, it's not possible to set anything using `ifconfig eth0`, only `ifoncfig eth` "works" by setting both eth and eth0 |
| 12:52.38 | Kuba | nkuttler: is it deprecated? |
| 12:52.41 | nkuttler | apm1: the same |
| 12:52.44 | Kuba | nkuttler: whole system relies o it ;p |
| 12:52.50 | nkuttler | Kuba: yeah, ip is the new thing |
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| 12:53.18 | Kuba | well, packages in wheezy seem not to obide the rules then, nkuttler ;) |
| 12:53.25 | Kuba | nkuttler: like bridge-utils |
| 12:53.39 | nkuttler | Kuba: well, feel free to file a bug.. |
| 12:53.50 | Kuba | nkuttler: to bridge-utils? |
| 12:53.57 | Kuba | nkuttler: or ifconfig? |
| 12:53.58 | Kuba | :) |
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| 12:56.26 | larsss | all hail debian! |
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| 12:57.25 | nkuttler | Kuba: no, yes. btw, what do you mean with ifconfig eth0 doesn't work? |
| 12:57.42 | nkuttler | Kuba: certainly works for me. you might also want to read man 5 interfaces |
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| 12:58.39 | themill | there's probably a reason why <driver><number> is the convention here... |
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| 13:00.25 | Kuba | nkuttler: okay, hold on with me: I have three NICs: eth0, eth1, eth2; Now I setup a bridge "eth" with only eth1 and eth2; `ifconfig eth0` fails to set anything and displays the same thing as for `ifconfig eth` (apart from RX/TX stats) and also `ifconfig eth address` is only possible way to change the address, etc. |
| 13:00.51 | themill | so just call it something other than eth; problem solved. |
| 13:00.54 | nkuttler | indeed |
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| 13:01.01 | nkuttler | br0 or such |
| 13:01.02 | Kuba | hahaha |
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| 13:01.12 | Kuba | this is not solving the problem |
| 13:01.15 | Kuba | but hacking it |
| 13:01.21 | themill | *shrug* |
| 13:01.23 | Kuba | imho ifconfig misbehaves |
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| 13:01.45 | themill | so send a patch -- #debian isn't going to magically fix this |
| 13:01.51 | nkuttler | Kuba: i would bet a beer this behavior is documented somewhere |
| 13:02.13 | mutante | use ip instead of ifconfig |
| 13:02.26 | Kuba | bridge-utils uses ifconfig |
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| 13:02.31 | mutante | ah,ok |
| 13:02.39 | mutante | it's kind of deprecated |
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| 13:02.48 | Kuba | "kind of" :> |
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| 13:03.01 | mutante | as in "everybody uses it anyways" |
| 13:03.28 | Kuba | it's stange though that RX/TX stats are different |
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| 13:04.39 | themill | (bridge-utils doesn't depend on net-tools -- sure it uses ifconfig?) |
| 13:04.41 | Kuba | anyways, `ip a` reports correct values |
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| 13:06.07 | gregc2 | Hey all, I have removed tty2 - tty6 yet the user can still hit alt f2 and obviously not get a shell. how can i remove the alt f2 (i am building a kiosk) |
| 13:06.30 | Kuba | themill: ifupdown is in the suggested because of /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/bridge |
| 13:06.38 | Kuba | themill: that script uses ifconfig internally |
| 13:06.48 | wols | gregc2: how did you remove them? |
| 13:06.58 | gregc2 | from /etc/inittab |
| 13:07.04 | gregc2 | commented out |
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| 13:07.31 | mutante | gregc2: usually on kiosks you can still use the browser to download something, open with .. , and select bash to start it :) |
| 13:07.32 | Kuba | themill: so, it seems like it lacks suggest for net-tools? |
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| 13:07.46 | themill | Kuba: you could change that script to use ip. |
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| 13:08.27 | gregc2 | this kiosk wont have a browser |
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| 13:08.37 | gregc2 | and its not really what im asling ;-) |
| 13:08.40 | gregc2 | asking8 |
| 13:09.52 | Kuba | themill: interestingly ifconfig dep has been removed in sid |
| 13:09.55 | mutante | gregc2: https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard#How_to_set_keyboard_layout_in_initramfs ? |
| 13:10.15 | mutante | like , change the keymap and load it |
| 13:10.18 | Kuba | themill: ah, and my bad: bridge-tuls does suggest net-tools |
| 13:10.53 | Kuba | only not in sid |
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| 13:11.53 | mutante | seems it's not worth fixing anymore when you know an easy workaround and the tool that replaces it works too |
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| 13:13.28 | gregc2 | hmm |
| 13:13.36 | gregc2 | that isnt helpful |
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| 13:13.57 | Kuba | yep, http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs//main/b/bridge-utils/bridge-utils_1.5-7_changelog |
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| 13:15.50 | themill | gregc2: I think you'll find that the number of VTs is a compile time (and rarely changed) constant |
| 13:16.10 | gregc2 | hmmm |
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| 13:19.38 | themill | gregc2: you can prevent VT switching from X but I'm not sure about console |
| 13:19.47 | gregc2 | deallocvt |
| 13:19.54 | gregc2 | is what im looking for |
| 13:20.03 | gregc2 | i believe |
| 13:21.04 | themill | it would be reallocated as soon as the user tries to switch to it |
| 13:21.36 | gregc2 | will try it out |
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| 13:26.47 | iceyweasel | I'm trying to update Iceweasel as per http://mozilla.debian.net , and nothing works. Aurora / Beta aren't being upgraded to, and I just get a 10.4MB download to the Wheezy version of Iceweasel |
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| 13:30.14 | amielee | Hi all, unfortunately I am a lx noob. Try to use a live-cd based on sqeeze. Built my own deb package, can install it using dpkg -i x.deb. How do i add it to the package list so that it is installable using 'apt-get install x.deb'? |
| 13:31.18 | klys | amielee you need to find the same file on a debian mirror. use /etc/apt/sources.list (man sources.lst; at the prompt.) to configure apt-get. |
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| 13:32.09 | amielee | cannot, it is custom made using 'dpkg -b <dir> x.deb' |
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| 13:32.50 | klys | amielee there is really no reason to use apt-get then; if you must, see #debian-mentors for help on becoming a package maintainer. |
| 13:33.17 | amielee | it is, bc. only apt-get is carried out automatically at startup |
| 13:34.21 | amielee | I have a file live-additional-software.conf wher I can put package names in which are automatically installed when starting the lice-cd |
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| 13:35.09 | amielee | when putting in 'x' I get the message 'E: Unable to locate package x' in /var/log/messages |
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| 13:36.17 | Xaneo | I have an .flv file, and I want to use it's audio, but I have a picture, and in a video. I want that .flv's files audio and the picture for the video. Is it possible? Which software for Linux should I use? |
| 13:36.53 | amielee | as there are the same errors I get when using 'apt-get install' I just guess the package needs to be added to the packages list to be automatically installed at startup |
| 13:37.22 | mutante | Xaneo: possibly vlc http://www.michael-noll.com/blog/2010/01/20/how-to-extract-audio-from-flv-files-using-vlc/ |
| 13:37.34 | klys | take a look at the structure of the repository of your choice. also look into creating a local Packages.gz file. your local repository should have versions which prevent use of a debian package until the version in which you feel the bug is fixed. if you want to run an apt repository on 127.0.0.1 (for example) take a look at the apache2 packages. your repository will be jailed in /var/www. if your package is not in debian it w |
| 13:38.23 | klys | also please file the bug at http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 13:38.41 | amielee | it's not a bug, it's a feature of that live-cd |
| 13:38.50 | klys | if your package is not in debian it |
| 13:38.56 | klys | will not be supported here. |
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| 13:39.07 | amielee | OK, thank you! |
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| 13:40.37 | iceyweasel | I'm trying to update Iceweasel as per http://mozilla.debian.net , and nothing works. Aurora / Beta aren't being upgraded to, and I just get a 10.4MB download to the Wheezy version of Iceweasel. I've selected stable (Wheezy), I want to install Iceweasel, beta, and have added deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-beta to my /etc/apt/sources.list and then sudo apt-get remove iceweasel && sudo apt-get upate && sudo |
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| 13:43.28 | pmurias | is upgrading wheezy to jessie safe? |
| 13:43.45 | klys | do you want the gnome updates ? |
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| 13:45.03 | pmurias | klys: I don't use gnome at all |
| 13:45.26 | pmurias | I'm upgrading to get a higher version of glibc |
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| 13:47.11 | klys | I have a jessie glibc / libc6 package from jessie that seems to run. it's for amd64 architecture. it's not at my current location and may be outdated. also I was running it under chroot. kernel was a 2.6.x |
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| 13:48.42 | joj | iceyweasel: please tell me what apt-cache policy iceweasel says |
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| 13:49.16 | iceyweasel | I'm not even sure how to check that joj |
| 13:49.17 | pmurias | klys: so is upgrading the whole system risky enough to work around it with chroot's and stuff? |
| 13:49.27 | klys | if you want stable support look at backports instead. |
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| 13:50.25 | joj | iceyweasel: run: "apt-cache policy iceweasel" in a terminal and copy-paste the output to http://paste.debian.net, then post the link back here so I can read through it :-) |
| 13:51.16 | klys | there was plenty of room on this hdd when I got it. / is squeeze. I have two chroots for etch, one each for lenny, wheezy, and sid. the only instability that has me wondering about chroot is in the `cinnamon' package under sid. |
| 13:52.30 | klys | there is also a complication with bash becoming noninteractive when certain variables aren't set on chroot invocation |
| 13:52.38 | iceyweasel | joj: May I PM you? |
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| 13:53.01 | joj | iceyweasel: yes, you may /query me |
| 13:55.11 | pmurias | if I upgrade the distro will the kernel version change? (is there a possibility of wifi drivers breaking?) |
| 13:55.51 | klys | that is a distinct possibility. look at changelogs in wpasupplicant. |
| 13:56.00 | klys | ,versions wpasupplicant |
| 13:56.01 | judd | Package: wpasupplicant on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.10-2.1; jessie: 1.0-3+b1; wheezy: 1.0-3+b1; sid: 1.0-3.1 |
| 13:57.20 | M4dH4TT3r | is xserver necessary? |
| 13:57.25 | M4dH4TT3r | what is it? |
| 13:58.05 | klys | that is neccessary to play videos/games/browse flash/shockwave on a graphical display. |
| 13:58.34 | klys | the alternative is mir, though this is under development. and probably only usable in unstable. |
| 13:59.29 | M4dH4TT3r | so I can get rid of it and just have term? |
| 14:00.00 | klys | if you are comfortable with your text-mode utilities (irssi?) then you can go without X, sure. |
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| 14:01.37 | klys | some utilities which make use of graphical displays on a tty (sdl?) are not in full repair so there are bugs eg. in qemu you can't switch your tty away and then switch it back and still see anything. |
| 14:01.43 | M4dH4TT3r | I have a better question than: can I get rid of this? can I get rid of this? what packages to I need to keep? |
| 14:02.19 | klys | use synaptic or dselect utilities to negotiate with debian. |
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| 14:02.39 | _abc_ | Please, what is the codename of Debian 6.0? |
| 14:02.45 | _abc_ | Am trying to locate a package. |
| 14:02.52 | joj | _abc_: wheezy |
| 14:02.52 | Deeps | squeeze |
| 14:02.54 | Deeps | oh |
| 14:03.02 | joj | Deeps: lol . see /topic |
| 14:03.19 | Deeps | hmm? |
| 14:03.28 | joj | it's written right there in the topic |
| 14:03.40 | M4dH4TT3r | all i want is ssh terminal apt and base commands |
| 14:03.42 | pmurias | klys: re changes but the old kernel+kernel modules stays? |
| 14:03.50 | Deeps | that wheezy (7) has been released, and that the previous version is squeeze (6)? |
| 14:04.01 | Deeps | :> |
| 14:04.15 | M4dH4TT3r | ohh lmao sorry wrong chan |
| 14:04.18 | klys | Debian6.0.8/ 19-Oct-2013 13:54 - squeeze/ 19-Oct-2013 13:54 - (same) |
| 14:04.45 | M4dH4TT3r | but thanks |
| 14:05.24 | joj | Deeps: oh my god are we at Debian 7 already !? sorry my mistake then. Then again I only see Debian GNU/Linux unstable (sid) when running lsb_release -a :-) |
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| 14:06.00 | klys | pmurias udev is compatible with kernels released since lenny. there is not a new glibc vs. kernel incompatibility (yet.) |
| 14:07.56 | _abc_ | Thanks for the tip. |
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| 14:09.50 | Almtesh | Can anybody help me? |
| 14:10.03 | Almtesh | I want to install Windows on a iSCSI drive. |
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| 14:10.43 | klys | iscsi is not local storage |
| 14:11.39 | wols | and why would someone ask about windows installation in #debian in the first place? |
| 14:12.05 | klys | go to #windows for more information plz. |
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| 14:13.13 | Almtesh | wols, because the iSCSI target and the dhcp and tftp servers are on a debian server. |
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| 14:14.02 | Almtesh | klys, allready done. |
| 14:14.09 | klys | if you need raw access to an iscsi device, e.g. to install a third-party os on, then ask if dd supports the device in the way you intend to use it. |
| 14:14.13 | Almtesh | klys, that's why I ask here. |
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| 14:16.32 | freeroute | hi, I've noticed that in this documentation - https://wiki.debian.org/Backports , the Debian sections link is pointing to German version - http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch-system.de.html#s-stable |
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| 14:41.08 | grim76 | Question on SNMP monitoring - I have snmpd installed and working. I have the extra mibs downloaded. However, I can't get snmpd to respond back with data that those mibs are supposed to contain. Example is that I have a SuSe system that I can query for HrSoftwareInstalled and it comes back with a list of software. I can't do that on a Debian system. Any thoughts/help? |
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| 14:54.27 | ChrisH | grim76: from my understanding, the MIBS belong to the snmpd. so you need to download the mib from the SNMPD running system to the calling/monitoring system |
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| 15:01.35 | Walex | grim76: to add to ChrisH reply, the MIBs are just dictionaries of names and OIDs. to get the right values you have to send in the SNMP query the right OID. So if you want to use the name for that OID, like 'HrSoftwareInstalled', you need a MIB on the *client* as he was saying. |
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| 15:06.56 | grim76 | ChrisH and Walex ok... The client can query the machines no problem. We have other servers that we can query and they come back fine. Just the Debian machines don't do this. Apparently, from one thing that I am finding we may have to recompile snmpd with perl enabled since |
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| 15:10.30 | freeroute | when on tmux and I use up arrow to view previous commands, a beginning of one command gets 'stuck' on the screen. I have to then press Enter (when the prompt is clear other than that stuck string) and then it gives me a fresh prompt. However when I use the up arrows again I get to see the 'stuck' string again. |
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| 15:10.48 | freeroute | I'm using wheezy and the version is also from wheezy |
| 15:11.28 | freeroute | oh right, forgot my question, how do I fix it? |
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| 15:14.31 | linedash | http://openntpproject.org/ + http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/01/dos-attacks-that-took-down-big-game-sites-abused-webs-time-synch-protocol/ |
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| 15:14.40 | linedash | anyone running an ntp server needs to read ^^ |
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| 15:14.58 | UserError | Is there a way to skip the config part of localepurge so I can just cat the config file later? |
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| 15:15.18 | UserError | I noticed it requires user input and want to do it programmatically |
| 15:15.35 | freeroute | if I have the following line in my sources.list - deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian wheezy contrib - does this mean that when I update & upgrade the virtualbox package gets upgraded from this repo? |
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| 15:16.02 | freeroute | linedash: even if you're running ntpd? |
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| 15:18.27 | petn-randall | linedash: Anyone running an open ntp server is as mad as running an open mail relay. |
| 15:18.38 | linedash | freeroute, if you're using ntpd and it's listening on anything other than just localhost then yes |
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| 15:19.40 | freeroute | damn but how do I sync time then? |
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| 15:20.14 | linedash | read the link I provided |
| 15:20.15 | Kiril | could you tell me what's the name of the package --> Native Language Support ? |
| 15:20.35 | petn-randall | freeroute: Your ntp server doesn't need to be queried from the outside to sync time. |
| 15:20.56 | kRush | but you need a server to sync from... |
| 15:20.59 | linedash | read http://openntpproject.org/ |
| 15:21.04 | linedash | srsly |
| 15:21.18 | linedash | not only does it include how to tell if you're vulnerable - but how to fix it |
| 15:21.57 | JoeE | For those that remember, I was here yesterday with a performance issue regarding a smart array controller with two arrays: one raid 10, the other a raid 5. The solution was to enable the nobatterywritecache using the hpacucli configuration utility. That coupled with the normal /sys/block/ performance enhancements got me to around 120mb/sec read and write |
| 15:22.34 | JoeE | thought I would share that here in case anyone else ran into a similar issue |
| 15:22.41 | petn-randall | kRush: Those running public servers should be rate limited to some extent. No need to query the time 100+ times a second. |
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| 15:23.19 | petn-randall | JoeE: So you don't have a battery, but enabled write cache? |
| 15:23.32 | JoeE | yes, that is correct |
| 15:23.33 | freeroute | linedash: ah cool, yeah I was reading that ars article, I'll read that one next |
| 15:23.52 | JoeE | but - I have the cache settings set to 100% read, 0% write |
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| 15:26.48 | petn-randall | JoeE: If that works, it's fine. But make 100% sure that you never run writecache without a battery ... write holes are *very* bad for your data. |
| 15:27.20 | gregc2 | yay figured out how to remove extra virtual terms |
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| 15:28.55 | nonconvergent | Is there some power setting somewhere that puts USB mice to sleep on a laptop? |
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| 15:29.22 | wols | why not just unplug it? |
| 15:29.47 | freeroute | linedash: root@HTPC:~# ntpdc -n -c monlist |
| 15:29.47 | freeroute | -bash: ntpdc: command not found |
| 15:29.52 | freeroute | I'm in luck :p |
| 15:29.57 | linedash | :D |
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| 15:30.09 | nonconvergent | My mouse keeps going to sleep. Like after 5 seconds of not using it. I have to click to bring it back on, with a second of lag. |
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| 15:31.35 | woshty | http://askubuntu.com/questions/141832/usb-mouse-sleeping-after-5-seconds-when-on-battery |
| 15:32.29 | freeroute | linedash: netstat -tua |grep LISTEN tells me that I only have SSH and HTTP listening |
| 15:33.24 | nonconvergent | ah, I'm right. |
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| 15:33.31 | lroe | I am trying to get incrontab working. It seems to only execute one time after I edit the tab: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d4b84de9/ |
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| 15:33.56 | nonconvergent | It's like laptop mode or something. It's turning off USB devices after a few seconds of nonuse. |
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| 15:35.02 | jhutchins | nonconvergent: That sounds like something at hte BIOS level. |
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| 15:36.09 | enZer0 | is there any reason .... /usr/local/sbin belongs to root default PATH? |
| 15:36.17 | enZer0 | isnt that a big security issue |
| 15:36.27 | enZer0 | since /usr/local/sbin is writable by anybody |
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| 15:36.49 | woshty | enZer0: It is? |
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| 15:37.03 | enZer0 | the only thing i had to do as an attacker is to cp a binary "ls" to usr/local/sbin |
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| 15:37.21 | ChrisH | lroe: what not use logroates mechanism? |
| 15:37.29 | enZer0 | /usr/local/sbin is executed before /sbin or /usr/sbin |
| 15:37.34 | lroe | ChrisH, huh? |
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| 15:37.44 | woshty | enZer0: It is root:staff on my setup |
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| 15:37.51 | lroe | I am using logrotate's mechanism |
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| 15:38.02 | wols | enZer0: /usr/local is writable by root and group "staff", no one else. if it is on your system, your misconfigured something |
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| 15:38.48 | ChrisH | lroe: you are calling scripts from cron. From my understanding logrotate handles that on its own |
| 15:38.49 | tosse | hi, do anyone here know why the netboot files for jessie is gone from ftp and mirrors? |
| 15:38.55 | JoeE | petn-randall: of course. I also have redundant power supplies and a ups |
| 15:39.02 | enZer0 | hmmm right...so its only a security issue if attacker belongs to group staff |
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| 15:40.08 | wols | tosse: you should not use jessie installers. they are not for installing but for troubleshooting the installer itself |
| 15:40.42 | lroe | ChrisH, I am calling logrotate from incron, logrotate doesn't have a facility to trigger on a file change |
| 15:41.09 | tosse | wols: so why is there files for sid then? |
| 15:42.38 | babilen | tosse: We don't recommend using that either |
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| 15:43.42 | tosse | still, doesnt help me |
| 15:43.51 | tosse | why were the files pulled from the ftp? |
| 15:44.45 | ChrisH | lroe: what is this incrond? aptitude does not find it. |
| 15:44.49 | wols | tosse: probably cause they are broken. and you can still install jessie |
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| 15:44.58 | lroe | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=incron |
| 15:45.02 | wols | tosse: you install wheezy and upgrade |
| 15:45.30 | lroe | incron uses inotify to control the execution of scripts |
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| 15:45.56 | tosse | wols: not really that easy if my option is to use pxe and hardware is not supported in wheezy (but its supported in jessie) |
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| 15:46.08 | babilen | tosse: But to answer your question: I do not really know why some images have been pulled. Which do you refer to exactly? |
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| 15:46.50 | tosse | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/linux and initrd.gz |
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| 15:47.19 | babilen | ftp? wow :) |
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| 15:47.40 | ChrisH | lroe: I see. Then I am of no further help |
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| 15:49.03 | babilen | tosse: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ is the seminal website for the development version of the installer |
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| 15:50.37 | ozux | Any one have experience with jabber under debian? |
| 15:51.28 | tosse | babilen: mmm, yeah, but can i choose which version i want to install from that one? |
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| 15:53.55 | ChrisH | ozux: I use pidgin as jabber client |
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| 15:57.46 | ozux | ChrisH, Actually I may asked the question in wrong way, I need some help about Jabber Server |
| 15:58.42 | DammitJim | I'm installing debian 7.3 on an older toshiba protege laptop |
| 15:59.00 | DammitJim | should I be installing the linux-image-686-pae or linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae? |
| 15:59.39 | wols | DammitJim: the first one is a virtual package that installs the 2nd. use the first one |
| 15:59.46 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 16:00.04 | DammitJim | that was the default |
| 16:00.09 | DammitJim | why is the option given, though? |
| 16:00.30 | DammitJim | I guess I shouldn't have picked expert install, but I did that only because I want the ssh install option |
| 16:00.58 | kRush | ozux, I heard good things about Prosody as a jabber server |
| 16:01.20 | wols | !tell ozux about anyone |
| 16:01.57 | ChrisH | ozux: ask the bot about jabber /msg dpg jabber |
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| 16:06.48 | ozux | kRush,And any idea about Conference aka chatrooms? |
| 16:06.57 | ozux | krbut any way thanks, checking it |
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| 16:21.27 | mouz\lex | does anyone have any ideas why I cannot login to a samba share within PCMANFM ? (100% sure I am using the correct credentials) |
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| 16:21.56 | babilen | tosse: Every installer should support that, but I would recommend to install wheezy and take it from there. (IIRC you need expert mode, but I haven't used anything but in ages, so ...) |
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| 16:22.16 | xreal | I want to have better right control over directories. Therefor I want to use ACL, but I'm inside a OpenVZ container. Will it work? My fstab is empty :/ |
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| 16:31.16 | jhutchins | mouz\lex: Can you log in with smbclient? |
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| 16:35.04 | aixsyd | hey guys - anyone here able to help with an Infiniband problem? |
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| 16:36.14 | nonconvergent | How do I connect to an existing samba server? |
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| 16:37.24 | ChrisH | nonconvergent: man smbclient |
| 16:37.29 | nonconvergent | do I need some kind of cifs package? |
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| 16:38.47 | ChrisH | nonconvergent: apt-get install smbclient will install the dependencies |
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| 16:40.01 | wols | nonconvergent: cifs-utils provides the mount.cifs binary |
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| 16:40.35 | wols | ChrisH: no. only it only suggests it, it's not a dependency |
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| 16:44.56 | nonconvergent | wols: I guess whoever admins the samba server needs to add me some credentials. |
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| 16:45.44 | wols | nonconvergent: what is your mount commandline? |
| 16:45.45 | mouz\lex | jhutchins: no. The only way I can get to the shares is with dolphin or pcmanfm... Just tried on another computer in the office and the same credentials work just fine |
| 16:46.28 | mouz\lex | smbtree shows correct shares etc |
| 16:46.44 | ChrisH | nonconvergent: sure. unless there is some AD in place where you have credentials |
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| 16:48.34 | mouz\lex | babilen to the rescue? |
| 16:48.37 | mouz\lex | ;-) |
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| 16:49.48 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I have a bunch of *.wav files which are 96KHz/24 bits. Is there any tool to convert them to 44KHz/16 bits in order to save disk space and CPu power when playing those files? |
| 16:49.57 | mouz\lex | ffmpeg? |
| 16:50.13 | hid3 | possibly, never heard of that before, though |
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| 16:50.37 | jhutchins | hid3: keyword "transcodeing". |
| 16:50.50 | frostschutz | hid3, flac? |
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| 16:51.37 | hid3 | Thanks |
| 16:51.43 | hid3 | I have `flac` in my system |
| 16:51.58 | brontosaurusrex | ffmpeg should have flac encoder, alos there is flac encoder in repos |
| 16:52.03 | brontosaurusrex | also* |
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| 16:53.40 | brontosaurusrex | hid3, sox is another tool that may help with hi-q resampling |
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| 16:55.59 | hid3 | OK, I see `flac` has got a compression options -0 to -8 with -5 being default. Let's say I want to to `flac -d --channels=2 --bps=16 --sample-rate=44100 <filename>`. Will specifying 'fastest' compression save a few cycles of CPU when playing the file opposed to slightly increased file size? |
| 16:56.34 | brontosaurusrex | i think decompression speed should be the same up to -5 |
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| 16:56.56 | hid3 | I don't care about the speed, I care about CPU cycles |
| 16:57.00 | brontosaurusrex | generally speaking the flac decoder is very fast anyway |
| 16:57.26 | brontosaurusrex | decompression speed = cpu cycles |
| 16:57.28 | frostschutz | hid3, then stick with wav, any other format has to be decoded to wav first and then played, so you're not saving any cpu. are you sure the problem is the cpu and not i/o though? |
| 16:57.40 | Deeps | i'd stick to wave if you really care about cpu cycles - i believe wave is less cpu intensive than flac, but will cost you more disk |
| 16:57.53 | mouz\lex | So. I can login on any machine in this office APART from anything running *nix. Anyone have any ideas? I have tried every possible thing I can think of but it just _will not_ accept my login. (SAMBA.) |
| 16:57.59 | hid3 | problem is the CPU and IO, both |
| 16:58.16 | hid3 | Deeps: indeed it is |
| 16:58.36 | frostschutz | hid3, you'll just have to give it a try yourself, then, and use whatever works best in the end |
| 16:58.52 | Deeps | ffmpeg will almost certainly do the original transcode you were asking about for wave audio |
| 16:58.54 | hid3 | OK, I'll try a few different scenarios now |
| 16:58.58 | frostschutz | you could even go for mp3/oggvorbis if you don't mind lossy |
| 16:59.02 | brontosaurusrex | hid3, there are algos for lossy way (which can again be used with flac) |
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| 17:00.01 | brontosaurusrex | also good old musepack (mpc) lossy codec is/was known for speedy decoding (should be twice as fast as vorbis for example) |
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| 17:02.52 | Sepultura | hallo |
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| 17:03.15 | Sepultura | is there a possibility to run Android apps on Linux? |
| 17:03.52 | NiLon | well android is using java isn't it, so with proper libs it should be doable |
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| 17:04.21 | NiLon | I would assume that there are already sdk for that that allows you to emulate phone |
| 17:04.45 | NiLon | http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html |
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| 17:06.11 | Sepultura | NiLon: since there is no Flash for ARM (Linux) and there is only a x86 Windows Programm or Android App for the service i want to use |
| 17:06.36 | Sepultura | so if there is a possibility to run Android Apps on Debian for ARM it would be great |
| 17:07.51 | brontosaurusrex | typos* lossy wav (which can again be used with flac) |
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| 17:17.09 | Euclidis | Greetings. I would like to compile an amd driver manually but I got some errors. Where can Download all tools for compile? |
| 17:18.25 | wols | !tell Euclidis about errors |
| 17:18.54 | wols | Euclidis: tell us the actual first error. you need to install "build-essential" |
| 17:19.08 | wols | Euclidis: compiling the fglrx driver manually is not a good idea bit |
| 17:19.10 | wols | *btw |
| 17:20.30 | Euclidis | wols: Is 'build-essentials' available on repositories? I downloaded the driver from amd website. Isn't a good idea, why? |
| 17:20.42 | wols | no. build-essential is |
| 17:21.06 | wols | Euclidis: cause it will break your debian, you will also get no support here for it |
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| 17:21.13 | wols | Euclidis: what videocard do you have? |
| 17:21.38 | Euclidis | wols: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6721867/ |
| 17:22.05 | Euclidis | wols: A3500 APU Radeon 6620G |
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| 17:22.54 | wols | as I said, we do not support fglrx from amd.com. and you are fine with the fglrx driver from the debian repos |
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| 17:24.20 | Euclidis | wols: My system is absurdely hot. I cannot install the drivers from repositories. I ain't found the amdcccle |
| 17:24.47 | Euclidis | wols: The assistant doesnt works as well. |
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| 17:26.45 | wols | !tell Euclidis about fglrx dkms |
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| 17:27.32 | DammitJim | very silly question |
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| 17:27.55 | DammitJim | why can't I select the wireless network from the dropdown on the Gnome3 UI on Debian 7.3 |
| 17:28.07 | DammitJim | I never use that window manager and this is an older laptop |
| 17:28.15 | DammitJim | you can see the wireless network listed, but it cannot be selected |
| 17:28.28 | Euclidis | !tell Euclidis abour radeon backlist |
| 17:28.37 | Euclidis | !tell Euclidis about radeon backlist |
| 17:28.40 | DammitJim | I also tried configuring it from the network option and it wouldn't connect |
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| 17:29.02 | DammitJim | (when I supplied the password for 2 different WPA2 networks) |
| 17:29.07 | wols | DammitJim: possibly cause it's configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:29.14 | Euclidis | wols: How can i enabe the radeon backlist? |
| 17:29.26 | DammitJim | what's configured? |
| 17:29.36 | wols | !tell Euclidis about blacklist |
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| 17:29.59 | DammitJim | all I got in /etc/network/interfaces is the loopback |
| 17:30.06 | DammitJim | however, the ethernet connection works |
| 17:30.12 | DammitJim | eth0 |
| 17:30.19 | DammitJim | I think the wireless adapter is using eth1 |
| 17:30.22 | mtn | DammitJim: missing firmware perhaps? |
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| 17:31.09 | mtn | DammitJim: have you read this?: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 17:31.19 | DammitJim | looking into firmware |
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| 17:31.26 | DammitJim | I thought the firmware nonfree would take care of that |
| 17:31.32 | DammitJim | need to possibly dig deeper |
| 17:31.38 | wols | DammitJim: what wlan chip? |
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| 17:32.10 | DammitJim | I know it's a Lucent something... is that something I look up with dmesg or lsusb? |
| 17:32.13 | DammitJim | lspci |
| 17:32.44 | wols | lspci -nn. we need the PCI id. and it is not lucent. lucent doesn't make wlan chips |
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| 17:33.47 | DammitJim | orinoco |
| 17:33.48 | DammitJim | hold on |
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| 17:34.55 | DammitJim | wols, weird... nothing from lspci that says wireless or anything I would normally pick up as wireless |
| 17:34.59 | DammitJim | let me try to pastie it |
| 17:36.01 | DammitJim | http://pastie.org/8617944 |
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| 17:36.29 | wols | DammitJim: then lsusb |
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| 17:37.09 | DammitJim | http://pastie.org/8617947 |
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| 17:37.14 | DammitJim | dmesg prints some of that |
| 17:37.39 | DammitJim | lsusb doesn't say anything, but Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub |
| 17:37.49 | wols | orinoco doesn't need firmware IIRC. that thing is _ancient_ :) |
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| 17:38.26 | nkuttler | !orinoco |
| 17:38.26 | dpkg | orinoco is a Linux kernel driver supporting 802.11b wireless LAN devices based on Hermes I and Spectrum24 Trilogy chipsets. WPA1 support for Hermes devices is available and requires firmware v9.42 or later, see http://wiki.debian.org/orinoco for more details. For Prism 2/2.5/3 support, ask me about <hostap>. For ORiNOCO USB device support, ask me about <orinoco usb>. |
| 17:38.32 | wols | DammitJim: iwconfig recognizes it? |
| 17:38.35 | nkuttler | prism needs firmware iirc |
| 17:39.07 | DammitJim | yeah |
| 17:39.20 | DammitJim | maybe the problem is that those networks don't take 802.11b? |
| 17:39.22 | nkuttler | still, the card should show up in lspci even without firmware, shouldn't it? |
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| 17:40.26 | DammitJim | eth1: Lucent/Agere firmware doesn't support manual roaming |
| 17:40.29 | DammitJim | googling that now |
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| 17:42.17 | jhutchins | nkuttler: Yes, devices should show up. If they're unidentified they should at least show the id with -n. |
| 17:42.46 | jhutchins | DammitJim: So your wired connection is managed by wicd or network-manager? |
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| 17:43.09 | DammitJim | I'm assuming network-manager |
| 17:43.18 | DammitJim | this is a new install |
| 17:43.32 | DammitJim | with whatever packages laptop and window manager installs |
| 17:44.57 | DammitJim | sudo lshw -c network (just installed lshw) prints this http://pastie.org/8617968 |
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| 17:46.18 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Does ifconfig -a show it? |
| 17:47.12 | DammitJim | yes, as eth1 |
| 17:47.23 | jhutchins | DammitJim: BTW please use past.debian.net, pastie.org and pastibin.com are filtered/flagged. |
| 17:47.36 | DammitJim | yes, sir |
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| 17:49.06 | jhutchins | DammitJim: DOes it show up in network-manager? |
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| 17:52.24 | DammitJim | is network manager the UI tool in the task bar? |
| 17:52.39 | DammitJim | sorry, not sure what network-manager is (eve though you asked me earlier) |
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| 17:55.02 | wols | DammitJim: that's the userinterface for network-manager, yes |
| 17:55.12 | wols | I suggest you configure it, at least for now via /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:55.23 | wols | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 17:55.32 | DammitJim | can I supply the WPA passphrase in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:55.37 | DammitJim | I've done it for open networks, but not secured |
| 17:55.38 | wols | and I suggest you run iwlist eth1 scanning |
| 17:55.48 | wols | yes you can provide it there. read the wiki link |
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| 17:59.12 | DammitJim | wols, why do you want me to run iwlist eth1 scanning? |
| 17:59.15 | DammitJim | I can see the networks |
| 17:59.22 | DammitJim | from network manager |
| 18:00.28 | wols | DammitJim: didn't know that. maybe network manager is confused since it's named eth1 instead of wlanX |
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| 18:02.24 | DammitJim | wols, I got this when I tried to run sudo ifup eth1 |
| 18:02.26 | DammitJim | http://paste.debian.net/75258/ |
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| 18:05.37 | jhutchins | DammitJim: What happens when you try to enable a network in the NM applet? |
| 18:06.43 | DammitJim | by enable, you mean selecting a network from the list of wireless networks? |
| 18:06.56 | DammitJim | btw, I appreciate the help and patience |
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| 18:07.13 | DammitJim | let me see if I can paste a screenshot |
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| 18:09.42 | wols | DammitJim: and what is in your network interfaces? |
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| 18:13.49 | DammitJim | http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2rpe4u8&s=5#.Us7mmm1fKlE |
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| 18:14.49 | DammitJim | I tell you, the things we do to get others to switch from windows to linux :D |
| 18:15.20 | DammitJim | so, if I click on NSGuest2_4, it asks me for a password |
| 18:15.25 | DammitJim | I enter it and it never connects |
| 18:15.38 | DammitJim | the system says in dmesg that it can't roam |
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| 18:23.40 | Mikaela | Are Debian DVD images non-hybrid or has my dd just failed to copy them to device? "isolimux.bin missing or corrupt." |
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| 18:29.47 | blumoon | using webmin to manage my iptable but after allow https/http ports i still cannot use anything that requires such as apt-get or wget anyone available to help ? |
| 18:31.25 | nafac | /j #defocus |
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| 18:32.13 | nkuttler | !tell blumoon about webmin |
| 18:32.44 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: is dpkg's host so slow or is it the network? |
| 18:32.53 | somiaj | Mikaela: they should be hybrid, where did you get the image? did you copy it to the actual device (and not a partition on it)? |
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| 18:33.15 | somiaj | Mikaela: maybe your image is corrupt, there are md5sums you can use to check the image. |
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| 18:33.59 | Mikaela | somiaj: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ and http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/i386/bt-dvd/ . Yes, of=/dev/sdb |
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| 18:35.51 | DammitJim | how do I disable network-manager? |
| 18:35.55 | DammitJim | I just installed wicd |
| 18:36.01 | DammitJim | (wicd is what I use on another machine) |
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| 18:36.08 | nkuttler | DammitJim: there's an init script |
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| 18:37.10 | blumoon | nkuttler: since you dislike webmin what would you suggest as alternative ? |
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| 18:39.38 | Spec | blumoon: i would use 'iptables' :( |
| 18:40.10 | somiaj | Mikaela: did you run the md5sum on the image you downloaded? |
| 18:40.13 | stmiller | Try ufw. It's a simple command line app for managing firewall rules. sudo apt-get install ufw |
| 18:40.25 | Mikaela | somiaj: No, I didn't. I'll do that now. |
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| 18:40.42 | somiaj | DammitJim: you can remove it with apt-get remove, or you can 'update-rc.d networkmanager disable' I'm gussing on the service name, correct it to match the script in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 18:42.06 | Mikaela | somiaj: amd64 3af6a27d08d89fc0d1d074a61acbd174 and i386 af39eb128ea40563e568305d6ede57e1 |
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| 18:42.36 | somiaj | Mikaela: compare them with the sums you can get on the download page |
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| 18:43.01 | somiaj | Mikaela: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/bt-dvd/MD5SUMS |
| 18:43.25 | somiaj | sum looks right, could your usb drive have an error on it? |
| 18:43.35 | jeancdub | yo |
| 18:43.50 | jeancdub | Emeric |
| 18:44.02 | Mikaela | 32-bit looks right. So does amd64. |
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| 18:44.37 | Mikaela | I am trying isohybriding images manually and then putting on USB. If that doesn't work, I believe that USB sticks have errors. |
| 18:44.54 | DammitJim | this is what I got when I disabled it: http://paste.debian.net/75270 |
| 18:45.01 | DammitJim | is that normal to have those warnings? |
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| 18:45.20 | jeancdub | Emeric |
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| 18:45.37 | Ritzton | hello |
| 18:45.41 | jeancdub | emeric |
| 18:45.42 | somiaj | DammitJim: correct, it is just saying you are using different options than the defaults in the LSBHeaders |
| 18:45.51 | somiaj | DammitJim: i.e. it is saying you have disabled it (: |
| 18:46.14 | DammitJim | ok, great |
| 18:46.17 | jeancdub | bonjour |
| 18:46.17 | Ritzton | Jon :-p |
| 18:46.20 | jeancdub | ahhh |
| 18:46.25 | jeancdub | i thought that was you |
| 18:46.30 | jeancdub | ;-) |
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| 18:48.05 | DammitJim | ugh, wicd cannot connect either |
| 18:48.13 | DammitJim | it gets stuck in the validating authentication |
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| 18:48.28 | jeancdub | remove it install something else |
| 18:48.28 | somiaj | DammitJim: is it wpa or wep? |
| 18:48.34 | DammitJim | wpa |
| 18:48.42 | jeancdub | sometimes you need a seperate for wpa |
| 18:48.43 | DammitJim | that's why I can't do the config in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:48.49 | DammitJim | a separate what? |
| 18:48.54 | jeancdub | i forgot |
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| 18:49.03 | jeancdub | its a separate something |
| 18:49.05 | jeancdub | for wpa |
| 18:49.06 | DammitJim | I can connect to this network on another debian machine using wicd |
| 18:49.15 | DammitJim | you mean wpasupplicant? |
| 18:49.15 | jeancdub | using wpa? |
| 18:49.18 | jeancdub | yes |
| 18:49.20 | jeancdub | thats it |
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| 18:50.08 | Mikaela | They seem to be USB sticks. "Operating system load error" this time. |
| 18:50.12 | somiaj | DammitJim: what network card? |
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| 18:50.31 | jeancdub | network drivers may need full support |
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| 18:50.33 | jeancdub | for wpa |
| 18:51.04 | somiaj | some wifi cards just have crappy drivers in linux, my realtek wifi drivers just suck |
| 18:51.16 | somiaj | I can work in some places but not others and drop connenction all the time |
| 18:51.18 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: status |
| 18:51.20 | dpkg | Since Thu Jan 9 12:05:03 2014, there have been 0 modifications, 20 questions, 2 dunnos, 0 morons and 9 commands. I have been awake for 6h 46m 15s this session, and currently reference 39903 factoids. I'm using about 30364 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 32.16/1.54 child 0/0.01 |
| 18:51.33 | DammitJim | somiaj: Lucent/Agere Hermes and Intersil Prism 2/2.5/3 chipsets |
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| 18:51.46 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: it's almost certainly the network; the box is basically unloaded |
| 18:51.48 | DammitJim | orinoco |
| 18:51.56 | somiaj | DammitJim: you can use wpa codes in /etc/network/interfaces, I do on my connenctions |
| 18:51.57 | dondelelcaro | (and not the network dpkg is on either) |
| 18:52.08 | jeancdub | sometimes you can get better drivers update and some people fixed them |
| 18:52.11 | DammitJim | what do you mean wpa codes? |
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| 18:52.31 | DammitJim | this won't go well... I should give up on this machine |
| 18:52.38 | somiaj | DammitJim: sorry key, but anways, look at dmesg, do you see anything about your card, missing firmware or any errors when you try to connenct |
| 18:52.45 | jeancdub | wpa is bad sometimes there may even be some kind of emulator for the windows drivers Jim |
| 18:52.46 | DammitJim | I'm trying to get my boss to start using Linux and this machine has too many issues with Linux support |
| 18:52.54 | somiaj | DammitJim: also wicd has ery detailed logs you can read though |
| 18:53.08 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: ok.. |
| 18:53.16 | DammitJim | good point about the logs, somiaj |
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| 18:53.53 | jeancdub | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhire.chrisjlee.net%2Fnode%2F144&ei=L_DOUs_fOrjLsATKv4CYAg&usg=AFQjCNGunTclUjzpM4H3vu7Og6Nequr4hA&sig2=X-Kv-vyJWfa6JeNz2HgtxA&bvm=bv.59026428,d.cWc |
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| 18:54.29 | jeancdub | here it is: |
| 18:54.31 | jeancdub | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper |
| 18:54.59 | DammitJim | http://paste.debian.net/75275/ |
| 18:55.14 | alexis | Hi debian folks! |
| 18:55.45 | DammitJim | yeah, ndiswrapper doesn't sound like a bad option... |
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| 18:56.07 | alexis | I have a problem when running apt-get update, it tells me that I have a GPG error on the repository (no pubkey is avail there). |
| 18:56.14 | alexis | I have this error: http://paste.lolnet.org/paste/fcIioUDY#WVOwKEif |
| 18:56.16 | jeancdub | DammitJim, sometimes its best |
| 18:56.25 | alexis | that's in French but I don't know how to have it in english |
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| 19:02.58 | alexis | "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring" solved the problem. |
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| 19:05.55 | phox | I built usb_hid into my kernel. Pbbbbbbbbt. |
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| 19:10.36 | wsky | [A |
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| 19:12.09 | jhutchins | !localized errors |
| 19:12.10 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
| 19:12.31 | jhutchins | alexis: For future reference. |
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| 19:12.57 | alexis | jhutchins: thanks |
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| 19:14.30 | jhutchins | jeancdub: ndiswrapper has been deprecated for quite a while now. There is usually a way to get a proper native driver for anything but the latest bleeding-edge hardware. |
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| 19:15.07 | jeancdub | thats the first thing i said |
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| 19:15.23 | jeancdub | sometimes though wpa will not work |
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| 19:15.49 | DammitJim | jhutchins, what do you suggest, master? |
| 19:16.07 | DammitJim | and I'm not joking about the master piece.. I appreciate your knowledge on the matter |
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| 19:17.01 | jeancdub | if its a module you can update the module but sometimes you will need to kernel recompile |
| 19:17.09 | jeancdub | especially for kernel module |
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| 19:18.41 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Sorrry, lost the VPN for a sec there. Let me look atht scrollback for what you've done so far. |
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| 19:18.49 | jeancdub | if its a module you can update the module but sometimes you will need to kernel recompile |
| 19:18.50 | jeancdub | especially for kernel module |
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| 19:19.13 | jeancdub | ndiswrapper may be your solution |
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| 19:19.33 | jhutchins | DammitJim: iirc you were able to see networks/APs in the NM Applet, right? |
| 19:19.47 | raboof | when upstream uses git, can I pull a new upstream version from upstream's tag into the 'upstream' branch of collab-maint instead of doing git-import-orig? |
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| 19:22.12 | verodeb | hi if i send every once in a while new .rar files to a server, what's the faster apprach rsync over ssh or scp? |
| 19:23.10 | verodeb | ?? |
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| 19:25.56 | DammitJim | yes, sir |
| 19:26.25 | DammitJim | verodeb, that depends on the quantity of files and size |
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| 19:26.47 | verodeb | 16MB every 5min average |
| 19:26.52 | DammitJim | 1 file? |
| 19:26.56 | jhutchins | verodeb: speed should be the same. |
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| 19:27.24 | DammitJim | oh yeah, nevermind... the speed should be about the same because they are always new files |
| 19:27.34 | DammitJim | rsync and scp would be almost doing the same thing |
| 19:27.37 | jhutchins | verodeb: I presume you're scripting it. You should just test each method. rsync allows you to enable compression, but that won't help on a rar and might even slow it down. |
| 19:27.38 | woshty | that mainly depends on what is the bottleneck .. |
| 19:28.07 | DammitJim | I don't know if the amount of files to "compare" would make rsync slower? |
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| 19:28.40 | verodeb | its postgresq WAL log files |
| 19:28.44 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Ok, if you can see that then the drivers are working. Nothing more needs to be done on the driver/firmware level, it's just a matter of getting the encryption to agree. |
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| 19:29.09 | jhutchins | DammitJim: One thing to try would be to see if WEP works, then try different options for WPA. |
| 19:29.10 | verodeb | and i compress it before sending it |
| 19:30.04 | jhutchins | verodeb: I generally use scp for single files and rsync for more complex transfers, or transfers where I need to be able to resume. |
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| 19:30.36 | DammitJim | good point, let me try that |
| 19:30.55 | DammitJim | wep, that is |
| 19:30.57 | jhutchins | verodeb: A big factor in that is that scp is three characters and rsync -a is seven. |
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| 19:31.34 | DammitJim | I'd like to know what that means: 3 vs 7 characters |
| 19:31.35 | jeancdub | but wep will work and wpa wont |
| 19:31.36 | verodeb | it should be the almost the same but, a little bit faster rsync right? |
| 19:31.38 | jeancdub | happens often |
| 19:31.51 | verodeb | i guess it is a joke |
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| 19:31.57 | verodeb | DammitJim: |
| 19:31.58 | jeancdub | the native drivers will work |
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| 19:33.24 | jhutchins | I mean for what it's worth I only have to type s c p |
| 19:34.05 | verodeb | on a LAN, 16MB file transfered, rsync would win by a little bit right? |
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| 19:34.28 | jhutchins | verodeb: Very unlikely. |
| 19:34.44 | jhutchins | verodeb: I'm pretty sure the actual transport mechanism is the same. |
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| 19:35.19 | ompaul | jhutchins: wep has been characterised as follows on one famous free software project, we don't support it because it is so trivial to attack it is not even worth implementing and it gives nothing in terms of protection |
| 19:35.34 | ompaul | woops |
| 19:35.52 | ompaul | jeancdub: wep has been characterised as follows on one famous free software project, we don't support it because it is so trivial to attack it is not even worth implementing and it gives nothing in terms of protection |
| 19:36.29 | verodeb | yeah ive seen on forums that rsync mechanisms has less overhead than scp |
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| 19:36.41 | verodeb | wep is easy to hack |
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| 19:37.02 | DammitJim | yeah, that's why I don't have any wep networks |
| 19:37.11 | DammitJim | but for testing purposes to see that the card works |
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| 19:37.13 | DammitJim | I need to do this test |
| 19:37.16 | verodeb | backtrack does it in less than 20min |
| 19:37.17 | ompaul | verodeb: if you have to worry about the bandwidth of using scp vs rsync, you should do real metrics and actually stick in some wire. |
| 19:37.33 | ompaul | !backtrack |
| 19:37.34 | dpkg | BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. |
| 19:38.08 | jhutchins | ompaul: The idea is to incrementally work up to good security/encryption but first verify connection management at a low security/high reliability level. |
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| 19:39.00 | wildkilla | hey |
| 19:39.03 | ompaul | jhutchins: turn it off first in that case :) |
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| 19:39.07 | verodeb | X) |
| 19:39.15 | jhutchins | ompaul: Yep, didn't think of that. |
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| 19:39.39 | wildkilla | does anyone know how to configure 'dante' properly with multiple ip's and no auth |
| 19:39.52 | wildkilla | the dante sock proxy server |
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| 19:40.02 | jhutchins | In my personal case, if someone can access my network it's because they're a guest in my house, but I secure and encrypt anyway. |
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| 19:41.29 | wildkilla | i added all my internal and external ip's with ports |
| 19:41.34 | wildkilla | but am not sure whats wrong |
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| 19:43.03 | jeancdub | i said, with some drivers, wep will work and wpa wont |
| 19:43.12 | jeancdub | i know any wep can be hacked |
| 19:43.16 | jeancdub | i hacked plenty weps |
| 19:43.34 | biglama | hi, i'm trying to restore grub on my debian install but i'm unable to mount partitions from a debian live usb |
| 19:43.39 | ompaul | wildkilla: I have to figure you are talking about a technology that is not often used. With that in mind: http://www.inet.no/dante/doc/faq.html might help :) |
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| 19:43.58 | ompaul | jeancdub: that is generally down to crappy chip sets. |
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| 19:44.26 | jeancdub | did you password protect or encrypt the partitions Biglama? |
| 19:44.28 | ompaul | biglama: on your live usb (su - in terminal) and do fdisk -l and see if you can see partitions |
| 19:44.36 | jeancdub | are you using the correct drivers |
| 19:44.40 | jeancdub | the mount it |
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| 19:44.48 | jeancdub | i mean filesystems |
| 19:44.48 | biglama | jeancdub: i'm not sure :/ |
| 19:45.06 | biglama | ompaul: i can see the partitions but parted does not show the filesystem type |
| 19:45.25 | jeancdub | try fdisks |
| 19:45.30 | biglama | ompaul: also, i've tried to mount them as ext2,ext3 and ext4 but to no avail |
| 19:45.36 | jeancdub | type also mount to see mounted pats |
| 19:45.47 | ompaul | biglama: pastebin in http://paste.debian.net the output from fdisk -l |
| 19:45.52 | jeancdub | what was the error message |
| 19:45.54 | gregc2 | does anyone know how to print out a screen cap of a console to lpr? |
| 19:46.20 | wildkilla | i've been googling for help for the past 6 hours and cant find anything |
| 19:46.56 | ompaul | gregc2: where ls > foo ; lp -d someprinter foo or just ls | lp -d someprinter |
| 19:47.02 | biglama | jeancdub: "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1" |
| 19:47.14 | jeancdub | it might be corrupt |
| 19:47.17 | ompaul | wildkilla: and id you read the FAQ? |
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| 19:47.22 | jeancdub | fdisk /dev/sda |
| 19:47.26 | jeancdub | find out the type |
| 19:47.28 | biglama | jeancdub: for ext2 and ext4 i also have "can't find an ext2/ext4 filesystem" |
| 19:47.30 | gregc2 | thats not really what im asking.... |
| 19:47.30 | jeancdub | run fsck on it |
| 19:47.39 | jeancdub | fsck /dev/sda |
| 19:47.41 | ompaul | gregc2: what are yiou really asking |
| 19:48.05 | gregc2 | if i have a console. I would like a screen scrape/capture of the current text on the screen |
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| 19:48.06 | jeancdub | is it ext3? |
| 19:48.11 | gregc2 | and i would link to send it to a printer |
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| 19:48.23 | biglama | jeancdub: it's "Linux" in fdisk, id=83 |
| 19:48.30 | jeancdub | ext 3 |
| 19:48.33 | biglama | jeancdub: i think it's ext3, not sure |
| 19:48.56 | jeancdub | try ext3 |
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| 19:49.16 | biglama | jeancdub: thanks, but it does not mount |
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| 19:49.42 | jeancdub | fsck /dev/sda |
| 19:49.52 | jeancdub | fsck.ext3 /dev/sda |
| 19:49.58 | jeancdub | what does it say? |
| 19:49.59 | verodeb | on wheezy, the bug for ext4 and fsync is now fixed?? |
| 19:50.12 | biglama | jeancdub: fsck reports : "bad magic nubmber", "superblock invalid" "he superblock could not be read or does no describe a correct ex2" |
| 19:50.20 | wols | jeancdub: that's a very bad idea since sda is almost never a ext3 filesystem |
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| 19:50.29 | wols | biglama: ignore jeancdub |
| 19:50.29 | ompaul | gregc2: http://scrapy.org/ but not used it myself, haven't done anything with that in many years |
| 19:50.43 | jeancdub | it won't let you run it if theres a problem |
| 19:50.46 | jeancdub | wols |
| 19:50.51 | ompaul | biglama: on your live usb (su - in terminal) and do fdisk -l and see if you can see partitions |
| 19:50.53 | gregc2 | yeah thats not really anything of what im asking either... |
| 19:50.54 | jeancdub | i have 10 years linux experience |
| 19:50.56 | ompaul | biglama: pastebin in http://paste.debian.net the output from fdisk -l |
| 19:51.06 | ompaul | gregc2: fine, I'll leave it so :) |
| 19:51.08 | wols | jeancdub: and not learned a whole lot in that time it seems |
| 19:51.10 | Tylertwo | gregc2, do you have 'screen' installed? |
| 19:51.12 | gregc2 | sounds good |
| 19:51.14 | jeancdub | right |
| 19:51.16 | gregc2 | not yet |
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| 19:51.29 | Rapp_ | hi everybody! |
| 19:51.35 | gregc2 | is there a specific screen command |
| 19:51.37 | gregc2 | for that |
| 19:51.38 | jeancdub | your petty insults are nothing like what most people probably think of you |
| 19:51.57 | biglama | ompaul: i can see partitions but i don't have internet on the other computer, so i can't give you a paste bin sorry :/ |
| 19:52.04 | Tylertwo | gregc2, you could install it then start it by typing 'screen' then Control-A followed by h will get a screenshot |
| 19:52.10 | wols | jeancdub: advising ndiswrapper, wep and telling people to fsck /dev/sda are all utterly bad advice. so best stop |
| 19:52.12 | gregc2 | hmmm |
| 19:52.14 | ompaul | biglama: stick a wire in it to take it further |
| 19:52.28 | jeancdub | wol, you make petty insults here because you are nobody anywhere else |
| 19:52.34 | Rapp_ | is it possible to configure the roundcube webmailer so that it uses the apache http hostname as the default for the domain part of a new identity for a webmail user? (minus the www.( |
| 19:52.35 | biglama | ompaul: how do you upload a pastebin from command line ? |
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| 19:52.51 | wols | !nopaste |
| 19:52.52 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 19:52.58 | jeancdub | fsck gave me important information |
| 19:53.10 | biglama | fsck.ext3 reports the same btw |
| 19:53.17 | jeancdub | he'll probably end up using ndiswrapper if he doesnt recompile |
| 19:53.29 | jeancdub | or find an update module |
| 19:53.34 | biglama | can you do an aptitude install from liveusb ? |
| 19:53.36 | jeancdub | but wols you know everything |
| 19:53.40 | wildkilla | yeah i have |
| 19:53.48 | wildkilla | im not really sure what the problem is |
| 19:53.54 | ompaul | biglama: you can if you do apt-get update first |
| 19:53.59 | petn-randall | jeancdub: Please keep calm. He didn't insult you, he simply stated that you gave bad advice, which IMO is true. But don't take that personally. :) |
| 19:54.00 | jeancdub | you should be able to reinstall |
| 19:54.12 | jeancdub | maybe your encrypted the drive biglama |
| 19:54.21 | jeancdub | when you originally installed |
| 19:54.30 | ompaul | jeancdub: kindly quite down |
| 19:54.48 | biglama | jeancdub: how can i check that ? |
| 19:54.50 | ompaul | !ops jeancdub is cheapening the names of a lot of well known trolls :-/ |
| 19:54.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: jeancdub is cheapening the names of a lot of well known trolls :-/ |
| 19:54.53 | jeancdub | what's your advice, compile another module or recompile the kernal? |
| 19:54.58 | gregc2 | didnt insult you... lol |
| 19:55.05 | wols | jeancdub: advice for what? |
| 19:55.08 | jeancdub | you gave no advice |
| 19:55.10 | ompaul | biglama: he's not given you a good piece of a advice |
| 19:55.19 | jeancdub | the guy who couldn't get wep to work |
| 19:55.29 | jeancdub | i found every piece of information i need |
| 19:55.53 | jeancdub | i don't need to be here... let you kids keep your channel... half of you know so little |
| 19:56.18 | jhutchins | jeancdub: You have very clearly demonstrated the quality of your own knowledge. |
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| 19:56.44 | jeancdub | you are probably pimple faced 17 year old boys who know nothing and insult everyone else who comes along with any intellect |
| 19:56.51 | ompaul | jhutchins: correction, s/quality/lack/g |
| 19:56.52 | wildkilla | im looking for anyone that's used 'dante' proxy server before |
| 19:56.52 | biglama | ompaul: ok. maybe i can write the fdisk output by hand if you need something specific ? instead of a pastebin |
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| 19:56.55 | jeancdub | go take a shower |
| 19:57.02 | wildkilla | i've configered it but it doesnt seem to be working |
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| 19:57.05 | wols | wildkilla: I did. but used it with passwords |
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| 19:57.17 | wols | dondelelcaro: thank you. about time |
| 19:57.22 | jhutchins | ompaul: quality need not be a positive value. |
| 19:57.25 | ompaul | wols: less of the about time :) |
| 19:57.28 | wildkilla | i got it working on 1 ip with the root details |
| 19:57.29 | ompaul | jhutchins: point |
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| 19:57.36 | dondelelcaro | it would be helpfull if y'all would not feed the trolls either. |
| 19:58.00 | wols | wildkilla: state the actual problem you want to solve |
| 19:58.28 | ompaul | biglama: basically I want to know what the partitions are saying they are so I want /dev/sd?? and what type it says it is |
| 19:58.29 | wols | dondelelcaro: we're just happy you answered ompaul summons :) |
| 19:58.29 | wildkilla | im trying to use it with no auth |
| 19:58.56 | ompaul | wols: I invoke, not summons, I then fear the repercussions :P |
| 19:59.12 | wols | bad wording on my part. I'm a foruhner |
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| 19:59.38 | ompaul | dondelelcaro: anyway thanks |
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| 20:00.33 | biglama | http://pastebin.com/X9EigR4L |
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| 20:00.40 | biglama | ompaul: is that enough for you ? |
| 20:00.51 | gregc2 | does anyone know how to print out a screen cap of a console tty to lpr? |
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| 20:01.16 | ompaul | biglama: are there more? |
| 20:01.19 | wols | biglama: as root, "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 20:01.31 | wols | biglama: if it doesn't work "file -s /dev/sda1" |
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| 20:01.48 | Tylertwo | greves, what's lpr? |
| 20:01.52 | Tylertwo | gregc2, |
| 20:01.53 | Tylertwo | sorry |
| 20:02.00 | gregc2 | .... |
| 20:02.01 | wols | Tylertwo: a program to for printing. |
| 20:02.05 | ompaul | Tylertwo: line printing tool |
| 20:02.29 | biglama | ompaul: no, this is the one where debian is installed (the other one is for storage) |
| 20:02.45 | ompaul | biglama: no swap? |
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| 20:03.15 | biglama | wols: "can't find an ext2 filesystem on sda1" "can find ext4 filesystem" |
| 20:03.26 | biglama | wols: "you must specifyy the filesystem type" |
| 20:03.36 | biglama | worstadmin: file -s returrns "sticky data" |
| 20:03.44 | Okee | Are there any keyboard commands I may use for taking a snapshot of a browser window? I am using xfce, and not able to take a snapshot at the command line or short cut programs. It looses focus of a drop down menu in windows. |
| 20:03.47 | biglama | ompaul: hmm, no that's weird |
| 20:04.18 | wols | biglama: something bad happened to your filesystem imho |
| 20:04.32 | biglama | wols: damn it, it was fine until yesterday |
| 20:04.46 | ompaul | biglama: stick with one or two, I'd say leave it to wols who has lots of hours with not such fun disks :-/ with it umounted you might consider fsck -y and see if it actually becomes mountalbe |
| 20:04.46 | wols | biglama: should be something like this in return "/dev/sdb1: sticky Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=f06c4d22-538a-4f2e-86aa-d75e031ffdcc, volume name "root" (needs journal recovery) (extents) (large files) (huge files)" |
| 20:04.54 | ompaul | biglama: stick with one or two, I'd say leave it to wols who has lots of hours with not such fun disks :-/ with it umounted you might consider fsck -y and see if it actually becomes mountable |
| 20:05.03 | wols | ompaul: no! I have no clue how to recover a bad ext fs |
| 20:05.22 | ompaul | wols: what I just said fsck -y and pray |
| 20:05.25 | wols | you'd have to recover the superblock first, since it's obviously corrupted |
| 20:05.42 | biglama | okay, that's for the help, trying fsck -y |
| 20:05.50 | wildkilla | @wols have you got a sample config with a couple of ips? |
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| 20:06.01 | julius_ | hi |
| 20:06.23 | wols | wildkilla: what do you mean couple of IPs? what for? |
| 20:06.25 | biglama | prays as he sees lots of "relocate" |
| 20:06.26 | julius_ | do you need "domain" and "search" in /etc/resolv.conf or just one? from the description they both do the same to me |
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| 20:06.35 | ompaul | biglama: I'll send you a link |
| 20:06.45 | wols | biglama: pray your backup has been done well instead :) |
| 20:07.01 | biglama | no backup ! |
| 20:07.07 | wildkilla | asin multiple internal / external ip's in the config |
| 20:07.11 | ompaul | biglama: the cost of which goes up after the event! |
| 20:07.20 | wols | wildkilla: client pass { from: 0.0.0.0/0 to: 0.0.0.0/0 #internal network |
| 20:07.24 | biglama | i did fsck -y /dev/sda1 already ! |
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| 20:07.29 | wols | wildkilla: is what I used |
| 20:07.52 | debianuser | is there a secure location for cd image checksums, all SHA512SUM files seem to come over http |
| 20:07.53 | wols | wildkilla: what is your danted.conf? |
| 20:07.57 | ompaul | biglama: read the other comments and have a look |
| 20:08.02 | ddeeff | I'm trying to find a direct download link for a certain file in a package. How would I go about it? |
| 20:08.11 | ompaul | debianuser: try 10 different mirrors |
| 20:08.22 | ddeeff | I've found a filelist of the package: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/libc6/filelist |
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| 20:09.05 | debianuser | ompaul: no really |
| 20:09.14 | irated | Volume Group not active on boot any one have any ideas? if i issue lvm vgchange -ay from initramfs the system will boot |
| 20:09.41 | biglama | so it's a fail of the hard drive then ? |
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| 20:10.12 | ompaul | debianuser: that's my way of being somewhat happy - if you think it is a bug, file such a thing you have an md5sum and sha1sum so think about the odds that both could be clashed and fixed across all that space |
| 20:11.38 | debianuser | ompaul: but i got the image over http also |
| 20:12.05 | ompaul | debianuser: do the maths, and file a bug if you feel it is the thing to do. |
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| 20:13.06 | luky | hallo can someone help me with webserver php config? how can i prevent that .php.txt files are parsed in php |
| 20:13.21 | wildkilla | @wols is that all you had in config? |
| 20:14.08 | debianuser | ompaul: if the image was over https i would agree but it would be easily to serve an altered image with checksums of said image |
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| 20:14.45 | ompaul | debianuser: so given what I said, perhaps you will now file a bug? |
| 20:15.23 | ompaul | debianuser: you can't argue with the reality, you can only file a bug against it. |
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| 20:16.15 | debianuser | ompaul: i want to verify my image downloaded from here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.8/i386/iso-cd/ with checksums from a secure location i can verify against |
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| 20:16.32 | ompaul | debianuser: then please alter reality. |
| 20:16.40 | gregc2 | does anyone know how to print out a screen cap of a console tty to lpr? |
| 20:17.05 | ompaul | run program output | tee > my-capturefile and then you can go to your lpr |
| 20:17.14 | ompaul | you can also tee to the lpr |
| 20:17.35 | gregc2 | yeah that wont work |
| 20:17.44 | gregc2 | hmmm |
| 20:17.44 | debianuser | ompaul: you'd think a distro such as debian would be more security conscious and not serve checksums over http, in the same location as the images |
| 20:18.13 | ompaul | debianuser: I have passed as many comments as I am willing to on that matter, I can't help you further. |
| 20:18.42 | jhutchins | biglama: If this just happened, then yes, probably a drive going bad. |
| 20:18.43 | debianuser | you went above the call of duty |
| 20:19.02 | jhutchins | biglama: If something happened that could have scrambled the disk, it might be physically ok. |
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| 20:19.33 | jhutchins | DammitJim: You ever get that wifi working? |
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| 20:19.55 | biglama | jhutchins: ok. it's 5 years old so it could be it's too old now :) |
| 20:20.12 | DammitJim | I"m trying to get this wep thing to work |
| 20:20.27 | DammitJim | first I'm testing with my phone and now I can't get my phone to associate to the new network |
| 20:20.34 | DammitJim | if it's not one thing, it's another ugh |
| 20:20.38 | jhutchins | biglama: What you need to look for is for things getting worse. Run smartmontools and if you see errors in the logs you know it's time. |
| 20:20.39 | biglama | fortunately, i managed to get a new laptop so i'm not computer-less |
| 20:20.42 | DammitJim | but I have to have a solid test platform |
| 20:21.02 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Yep, some days. |
| 20:21.35 | jhutchins | DammitJim: One thing I've run into a lot is that two devices are capable of the same protocols, but you can't specify the keys the same way or something like that. |
| 20:22.24 | biglama | jhutchins: thanks for the tip |
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| 20:33.13 | afidegnum | hi, I installed mysqlserver, how do I enable remote database connectivity to it ?\ |
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| 20:35.16 | wols | afidegnum: edit my.cnf to make it listen on all interfaces. that is dangerous |
| 20:36.50 | afidegnum | wols: thanks but I don't have a choice. |
| 20:38.42 | afidegnum | i wanted to upload datbase manually to a remote hosting account but I am still flagged with access denied from root |
| 20:38.42 | afidegnum | I am not using root. but it seems the remote db server is seeing my account as root |
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| 20:39.26 | wols | afidegnum: you are wrong. you upload your database dump to the remote host and then feed it to mysql |
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| 20:40.25 | afidegnum | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:41.06 | afidegnum | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) mysqldump: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'user_fiver'@'static.250.25.41.28.clients.your-server.de' (using password: NO) when trying to connect |
| 20:41.47 | n-st | i'm probably just terrible at searching, but how can i set up my own 6in4 tunnel (for a single v6 IP) and use it on a system behind a NAT router? |
| 20:41.48 | afidegnum | this is what's happening to me |
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| 20:42.37 | wols | afidegnum: making mysql listening on all interfaces won't change this error |
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| 20:44.58 | n-st | i've found this set of commands (to be run on the server, then on the client with remote and local IPs swapped): http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9c3278b0/ -- but i can't even ping the server from the client |
| 20:45.34 | n-st | according to ifconfig on the server, it receives data when i'm pinging it, but doesn't answer or forward it anywhere |
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| 20:50.54 | jhutchins | !ipv6 |
| 20:50.55 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
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| 20:52.09 | n-st | jhutchins: thanks |
| 20:53.11 | Dagger | n-st: do you have 1.2.3.4 assigned on the machine you're setting it up on? |
| 20:53.13 | Dagger | (also you probably want "remote <the remote ip>" for a 6in4 tunnel) |
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| 20:53.53 | Lennox84 | Hi all... |
| 20:54.20 | n-st | Dagger: 1.2.3.4 is the public ip of the server (which i can ping), so that should work, right? |
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| 20:54.52 | n-st | and i know i shouldn't set remote any, but that makes testing easier ;) |
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| 20:55.49 | Dagger | if the IP is on the server you're configuring the tunnel on, then fine |
| 20:55.49 | Dagger | if not, then it'll receive the packet and go "that's not me" and toss it away |
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| 20:56.10 | Dagger | or uh, no, it'll go "that's me but I don't have a tunnel for that IP" and toss it |
| 20:56.24 | Lennox84 | Q: how have some people setup remote login (more specifically desktop sharing), but with xfce on remote computer rather than gnome?? I can remote in but only get a terminal window? Want to control the gui... Cheers |
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| 20:57.31 | jhutchins | !xdmcp |
| 20:57.32 | dpkg | The X Display Manager Control Protocol (XDMCP) provides a uniform mechanism for an autonomous display (e.g. X terminal) to request login service from a remote host. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_display_manager_(program_type)#X_Display_Manager_Control_Protocol |
| 20:57.41 | jhutchins | Lennox84: See also http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ |
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| 20:58.28 | jhutchins | Lennox84: You can also use RDP or VNC or FreeNX and set up the server to provide a new session to remote logins rather than sharing an existing session. |
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| 21:00.56 | snowdust | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 21:02.38 | biglama | ompaul: okay, fsck -y aborted with an "error storing directory block information, memory allocation filed" |
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| 21:02.47 | biglama | ompaul: trying your link now |
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| 21:03.14 | afidegnum | what's the correct command to use again? what I am doing here is not successful. I am tryigng to copy local database to the remote database. |
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| 21:04.49 | Carnage84 | Wow cheers guys, will check out those link thanks. Jhutchin- already successfully setup vnc, but unable to load gui through it, only terminal, and if I try and load gui I have no window borders or menu. (I'm actually lennox84, got d/c) |
| 21:05.11 | Carnage84 | Thanks for the suggestions :-) |
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| 21:06.33 | afidegnum | any answer pls? |
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| 21:07.05 | Carnage84 | Can anyone suggest a good irc app for android?? I get d/c a fair bit with my current and its a little clunky |
| 21:07.26 | verodeb | https://kiwiirc.com/client |
| 21:07.27 | Spec | use an ssh app |
| 21:07.41 | Spec | so when you're constantly disconnected/reconnected it doesn't spam everywhere |
| 21:09.02 | leonlemouton | Carnage84 : yaaic |
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| 21:12.41 | biglama | ompaul: okay, i've tried to restore from the last 2 superblocks backup but each time fsck failed with "memory allocation failed" |
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| 21:13.43 | ompaul | biglama: restart it and take out a stick of ram? |
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| 21:16.58 | afidegnum | I was disc, any answer left ofr me ? |
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| 21:17.23 | philipp^ | 7LIST |
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| 21:19.51 | biglama | ompaul: not available :/ |
| 21:20.02 | biglama | ompaul: take ... out ? |
| 21:20.05 | LoRdToLsToI | YouTube - Sting - Desert Rose original song |
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| 21:21.11 | biglama | oh you mean "take out and put it in the computer" |
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| 21:22.33 | LoRdToLsToI | playz Sting - Shape of My Heart |
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| 21:22.51 | niko | LordDeath: you should avoid amsg |
| 21:23.07 | niko | oups, LoRdToLsToI |
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| 21:23.13 | LordDeath | :) |
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| 21:23.30 | biglama | so i'm screwed, and should reinstall right ? |
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| 21:23.41 | jhutchins | afidegnum: You are not providing mysqldump with the proper login. |
| 21:24.05 | afidegnum | hmm. I don't know what's really happening |
| 21:24.05 | jhutchins | afidegnum: You need an account within mysql that has access to the database you want to dump. |
| 21:24.07 | luky | hello can someone tell me how I can safe the content from this website to an php file and only echo steamid? http://api.steampowered.com/ISteamUser/GetPlayerSummaries/v0002/?key=B4719CC1933FBEAFA9E4AB3C9D38C637&steamids=76561197960435530 |
| 21:24.51 | jordanm | http://steamcommunity.com/dev |
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| 21:26.03 | ompaul | biglama: try it in other box |
| 21:26.25 | ompaul | biglama: and run memtest your machine |
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| 21:26.34 | jhutchins | !fr |
| 21:26.35 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 21:27.41 | Kuba | anyone knows what happens to openldap package? |
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| 21:27.54 | Kuba | it hasen't been updated since April |
| 21:27.56 | ompaul | biglama: hope is never lost, it just gets abandoned :) |
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| 21:29.07 | ompaul | biglama: in summary two things, do a memtest on the box given the error you got, and if that fails your ram, remove some / all / replace as needed and try again, then if that fails move disk to some other machine for attempted repair |
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| 21:30.49 | biglama | ompaul: okay, thanks *a lot*. Can you do a memtest from the liveusb ? |
| 21:30.55 | biglama | i only see a "failsafe" mode |
| 21:31.07 | biglama | okay, found it |
| 21:31.14 | ompaul | biglama: that's that answered :) |
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| 21:32.10 | biglama | ompaul: it's going to take some time. What's exactly an attempted repair ? |
| 21:32.18 | biglama | fsck again ? |
| 21:32.34 | ompaul | fsck -y |
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| 21:34.11 | abrotman | ompaul: resolved? |
| 21:35.07 | ompaul | abrotman: yes |
| 21:35.12 | ompaul | thanks for asaking |
| 21:35.19 | ompaul | *asking |
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| 21:37.19 | jhutchins | If it's bad ram, it should fail on POST. If it's an intermittent problem memtest _might_ catch it. |
| 21:37.48 | jhutchins | biglama: In any case, reseating RAM and checking drive cables would probably be a good idea. |
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| 21:45.50 | biglama | jhutchins: there was an issue with the first RAM, checking the second now |
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| 21:51.38 | jhutchins | biglama: reseat |
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| 21:51.57 | squisher | hi, I was trying to reopen a bug, but apparently it has been archived. Does that have any real significance? Like, would it be rude or otherwise unwise to just unarchive the bug? |
| 21:52.00 | jhutchins | biglama: On one system I took a pencil eraser and cleaned the contacts on the DIMMs and that helped. |
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| 21:52.41 | biglama | jhutchins: you mean taking it out, cleaning it and putting it back ? |
| 21:52.46 | GNURocco | hello |
| 21:53.03 | GNURocco | how do install kde system settings? thanks |
| 21:53.14 | jhutchins | biglama: by reseat, I mean just remove and reinstall, but cleaning might help too. |
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| 21:53.29 | jhutchins | biglama: One thing to test is if you move the module, does the problem move too? |
| 21:53.39 | jhutchins | !kde |
| 21:53.39 | dpkg | KDE software is based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde>. You can also get KDE-specific help in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net) or in other KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels . Also check out http://wiki.debian.org/KDE . |
| 21:54.48 | leonlemouton | GNURocco : https://wiki.debian.org/KDE |
| 21:55.06 | GNURocco | oh, thanks leonlemouton |
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| 22:00.55 | biglama | ompaul: okay, one of the two ram failed the memtest. keeping the one which works, i tried an fsck again, but ended with "memory allocation failed" again |
| 22:01.16 | ompaul | biglama: try disk in other machine |
| 22:01.30 | ompaul | biglama: if it has any value to you, else abandon |
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| 22:01.49 | biglama | ompaul: i will but not tonight (don't have another box) |
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| 22:02.30 | biglama | thanks ompaul and jhutchins, you helped avoided a massacre tonight |
| 22:03.38 | ompaul | biglama: no worries |
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| 22:04.25 | setuid | I've got a Squeeze server running production workloads, apache, mysql, sendmail, etc. What's the best way to migrate and keep that machine current and updated, across releases? |
| 22:04.42 | setuid | apt-get upgrade isn't going to work, and if I change sources.list to the latest version of stable or test, it's going to break hundreds of packageds. |
| 22:04.50 | setuid | Is there a "gentle migration" doc or HOWTO out there? |
| 22:05.13 | ompaul | setuid: you have a couple of months to read it all |
| 22:05.26 | setuid | Sure do |
| 22:05.38 | ompaul | setuid: do the thing in the topic /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 22:06.09 | ompaul | setuid: choices are many, but the thing is this build a backup plan, in case it all goes bad and you need to get back to your place you are at today, and try it again next week |
| 22:06.21 | jhutchins | setuid: Why do you expect it to "break hundreds of packages"? |
| 22:06.30 | ompaul | setuid: and testing a machine is a useful thing |
| 22:07.02 | setuid | ompaul, It's a VM, so I can clone it and test the upgrades there |
| 22:07.16 | setuid | jhutchins, Been running Debian for 12+ years, things break. I'm somewhat used to it. |
| 22:07.24 | ompaul | setuid: happiness go for it and have fun |
| 22:07.28 | setuid | I just can't be down for a week fixing them all |
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| 22:09.30 | nkuttler | the only serious breakage i've ever seen was with sendmail, and i'm happy to say i was not the mail admin |
| 22:09.34 | setuid | Ultimately, I want to break apart some of the apps into their own VMs, so I can upgrade them independently... separate DB server, separate mail server, separate RCS, etc. |
| 22:09.41 | setuid | right now, they're all on the same box |
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| 22:15.50 | kamintears | yea, we have windows boxes at work, and the domain controller is also sql server for example |
| 22:16.11 | kamintears | so sql server setup adds all kinds of horrible users that should be machine local right into active directory |
| 22:16.23 | kamintears | if it was up to me we'd split stuff too |
| 22:16.49 | phogg | kamintears: actually they mostly should be domain users |
| 22:17.02 | phogg | kamintears: all except IIRC one, which has to be local under some circumstances |
| 22:17.33 | kamintears | IIRC? |
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| 22:17.37 | phogg | Throw in one local group per service to bind permissions to the domain users |
| 22:17.42 | phogg | kamintears: if I recall correctly |
| 22:17.48 | phogg | but anyway, it's more than a bit OT here |
| 22:17.57 | kamintears | that's true :) |
| 22:18.14 | kamintears | its work. al work and no play makes kamin a dull boy |
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| 22:18.23 | phogg | kamintears: I am in the sad position of knowing more than I ever wanted to about installing, configuring and securing MSSQL |
| 22:18.44 | stephan48 | i got a problem where Xorg -configure makes the screen go black, i know i need to edit the driver for X11 to use, is there another way to get a minimal xorg.conf to work from? |
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| 22:19.24 | phogg | stephan48: they say these days that you can go without one entirely |
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| 22:19.39 | jhutchins | stephan48: What are you really trying to do? What chipset? |
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| 22:20.49 | stephan48 | old fujitsu stylistic st 4121 with debian wheezy, i read only that X required the i810 driver |
| 22:21.23 | stephan48 | without config X just fades the screen to black with some lines looking like something is broken across the screen |
| 22:21.25 | jhutchins | stephan48: Crud, that problem again. |
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| 22:21.42 | stephan48 | mh? |
| 22:22.06 | jhutchins | stephan48: It _should_ work without a config. Try disabling kms in the kernel boot params. |
| 22:22.09 | jhutchins | !kms |
| 22:22.09 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 22:22.47 | jhutchins | stephan48: I _think the i810 got rolled into the i915, not sure. |
| 22:23.41 | jhutchins | stephan48: The deal is that that chipset was low-end and got implemented in a broad variety of configurations by laptop makers. When they started consolidating the older intel drivers, the oddballs started to fail. |
| 22:23.57 | stephan48 | cool |
| 22:24.05 | jhutchins | stephan48: They did have it fixed by the release of squeeze for most of them. |
| 22:24.39 | jhutchins | stephan48: Mandriva, meanwhile, rolled out three releases that were unusable with people who had i810 chipsets. |
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| 22:26.38 | stephan48 | jhutchins: seems to work |
| 22:26.42 | stephan48 | even the pen works |
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| 22:28.34 | jhutchins | xlnt |
| 22:29.26 | stephan48 | just a strange behaviour: when touching the key down it draws a border for selection, but this is a minor inconvinience : |
| 22:29.32 | stephan48 | thanks |
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| 22:30.31 | dgriffi | just had an irritating discovery... I used the multiarch netinst CD image in a bootable flash drive and it installed an i686 OS on an amd64 machine without prompting me or anything. |
| 22:30.55 | themill | which arch is the very first thing it asks |
| 22:31.41 | dgriffi | themill: it must have gotten confused by the preseed file because I was asked no such thing. |
| 22:31.43 | stephan48 | is there btw a nice keyboard for lxde? |
| 22:31.55 | stephan48 | nice onscreen keyboard* |
| 22:32.04 | themill | dgriffi: it asks that before preseeding starts |
| 22:32.10 | dgriffi | I followed this: http://hyper.to/blog/link/debian-installer-on-a-usb-key/ |
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| 22:38.02 | anix1 | hey guys, is there a known bug why mousekeys arent working with 6.0.8? |
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| 22:45.08 | wildkilla | hey everyone |
| 22:45.19 | wildkilla | i give up on trying to get dante to work for me |
| 22:45.36 | wildkilla | is there a easier socks proxy server to install / config |
| 22:45.42 | wildkilla | i have a vps with 5 ip's |
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| 22:47.52 | jhutchins | wildkilla: What about squid? |
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| 22:52.37 | wildkilla | squid is a http proxy? |
| 22:52.42 | wildkilla | i need a socks proxy |
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| 22:53.43 | petn-randall | wildkilla: What is dante? |
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| 22:54.16 | wildkilla | http://www.inet.no/dante/ - socks proxy server |
| 22:54.42 | petn-randall | wildkilla: Ah, missed one of your lines, sorry. Have you tried searching with debtags yet? |
| 22:55.17 | wildkilla | ive been trying to get dante working for the past 10 hours |
| 22:55.31 | wildkilla | with no auth / all the ip's |
| 22:56.14 | petn-randall | wildkilla: You know, this *is* a support channel, so .... |
| 22:56.16 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 22:56.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 22:56.24 | shamann | pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene pene |
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| 22:56.24 | shamann | pene pene |
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| 22:56.51 | Tom01 | what you say? |
| 22:56.52 | wildkilla | yeah |
| 22:57.05 | wildkilla | does anyone have any experience with dante |
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| 22:58.05 | wildkilla | or sock proxy servers |
| 22:58.34 | nonconvergent | I need something that reads markdown. |
| 22:58.44 | nonconvergent | er views them |
| 23:00.19 | petn-randall | wildkilla: Read what dpkg wrote. It'll be more likely that you get answers if you frame your support request right. |
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| 23:04.32 | dgriffi | I just tried again and the installer automatically installed i686. |
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| 23:05.28 | themill | dgriffi: the installer installs whatever architecture you choose at the bootloader stage |
| 23:05.53 | dgriffi | themill: I'm thinking the decision might have been made automatically when the flash drive itself booted |
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| 23:06.32 | themill | "flash drive booted"? |
| 23:07.33 | dgriffi | I'm booting from a flash drive as described here: http://hyper.to/blog/link/debian-installer-on-a-usb-key/ |
| 23:08.20 | themill | booting from a flash drive. that makes more sense. |
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| 23:08.54 | somiaj | you shouldn't need to follow those instructions with a debian iso image, what image are you using dgriffi? |
| 23:09.08 | themill | but that link is about building your own installer image not using the debian multiarch iso image |
| 23:09.10 | themill | what somiaj said |
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| 23:11.33 | dgriffi | the drive debian-7.3.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:11.43 | dgriffi | s/the drive// |
| 23:11.50 | themill | dgriffi: so you only need to cp or cat or dd that image to the usb stick |
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| 23:12.07 | dgriffi | themill: I know, but that results in a flash drive that cannot be written to |
| 23:12.46 | themill | is that a problem? |
| 23:12.48 | petn-randall | dgriffi: Isn't that the point of an installer? |
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| 23:13.46 | dgriffi | themill: 1) I want to use a preseed.cfg file. 2) I want to put extra stuff on the drive like non-free wifi firmware images, some benchmarks, and assorted other odds and ends |
| 23:13.53 | somiaj | dgriffi: did you copy over the 32bit or 64bit vmlinuz when creating your drive then? |
| 23:13.56 | themill | dgriffi: if you want to do it the hard/flexible way, then you're going to need to make sure that the bootloader you are writing is picking up all the right options which it apparently isn't (either that or you're not looking at the bootloader and just pressing enter straight away) |
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| 23:14.37 | themill | (I wonder whether using the multiarch netinst in this case is the right thing to be doing in any case) |
| 23:14.52 | dgriffi | oh, I was watching the boot process intently. the first thing I was asked was the keyboard layout, then it said it was looking for a CD image |
| 23:15.21 | dgriffi | somiaj: I think I used the 32-bit vmlinuz |
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| 23:15.42 | themill | dgriffi: that's a long way after you've selected what to boot at the syslinux stage |
| 23:15.53 | dgriffi | I was fiddling with two flash drives, one for 32-bit and the other for 64-bit |
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| 23:16.14 | dgriffi | so I thought I'd be clever and turn the 32-bit one into a multiarch flash drive installer |
| 23:16.20 | themill | .o0( just don't bother with i386... it is 2014 now ) |
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| 23:16.47 | dgriffi | themill: I know. I still have i386 machines around, so that's why |
| 23:16.57 | themill | and you reinstall them? |
| 23:17.07 | dgriffi | ya |
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| 23:17.41 | dgriffi | okay, okay... I'll go back to two flash drives and forget about trying to be excessively clever |
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| 23:23.06 | themill | dgriffi: you should be able to get it to work of one but you'd need to spend the time configuring syslinux to have the necessary boot options |
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| 23:23.15 | petn-randall | dgriffi: You can do multiboot flash drives with grub, though you'll loose some flexibility with it. |
| 23:23.53 | petn-randall | dgriffi: I did it once, so it's possible, though IMO it doesn't warrant the work. |
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| 23:57.46 | Sia- | it's nice if somebody have any fix or try to fix for this issue http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=110548&sid=98b8ae0cf72e11c99e2a296e0a17d522 |
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