| 00:02.28 | lakcaj | Is there a package for the legacy rsh client? Ie, where rsh doesn't just call ssh? |
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| 00:07.10 | LoRdToLsToI | asculta Sting - Shape of My Heart |
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| 00:09.37 | themill | LoRdToLsToI: please disable that -- I don't think we want to know |
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| 00:10.12 | themill | lakcaj: there's the rsh-redone-* packages -- you need to have it installed on both client and server however |
| 00:10.39 | themill | ,alternatives rsh |
| 00:10.41 | judd | Alternative rsh in sid: heimdal-clients, krb5-clients, openssh-client, pvm, rsh-client, rsh-redone-client. |
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| 00:21.56 | lakcaj | themill, thanks |
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| 00:36.20 | jeancdub | gay |
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| 00:45.16 | ChibaPet | jeancdub: Please don't use discriminatory language. (And please don't be cute and argue semantics.) |
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| 00:45.48 | jeancdub | my answers were correct |
| 00:45.58 | jeancdub | don't argue valuable answers |
| 00:46.13 | jeancdub | and replace them with inferior answers |
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| 00:46.26 | themill | Can we not go back over the justification of giving poor advice again please? |
| 00:46.30 | jeancdub | you have an inferiority complex |
| 00:46.40 | jeancdub | why do you feel you are inferior? |
| 00:47.08 | jeancdub | maybe your advice does not work but its still valuable |
| 00:47.15 | ChibaPet | !ops jeancdub being abusive |
| 00:47.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: chibapet complains about: jeancdub being abusive |
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| 00:48.23 | themill | jeancdub: just because it's IRC doesn't mean you have to argue. Please pick fights elsewhere. /dev/null might be a good match. |
| 00:49.38 | freeroute | Q - wordpress package on Debian wheezy is 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u1 but the latest is 3.8... what version would you recommend me? |
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| 00:50.06 | wedge | I wouldnt install wordpress from deb |
| 00:50.20 | themill | sticking with the supported version of wordpress that's already in the archive is probably better than trying to go on your own |
| 00:50.22 | wedge | id install it separately through wordpress own packages and use their own maintainer to get latest patches in |
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| 00:51.31 | AlsoDirkson | Hey all. Is dash supposed to have autocompletion? |
| 00:51.36 | dondelelcaro | AlsoDirkson: no |
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| 00:52.04 | dondelelcaro | AlsoDirkson: in general, you shouldn't be using dash as a user shell |
| 00:52.24 | dondelelcaro | AlsoDirkson: you almost certainly want bash or zsh or something which actually has features; the primary point of dash is that it's small and fast |
| 00:52.37 | AlsoDirkson | dondelelcaro: Thanks. I didn't think so, but an article was talking about it as a bash alternative, so I got confused. I was under the impression it was just for background tasks to use. I assume bash is the lightest weight shell with basic autocompletion? |
| 00:52.45 | dondelelcaro | AlsoDirkson: not sure |
| 00:52.51 | AlsoDirkson | dondelelcaro: Me either ^^ |
| 00:53.01 | dondelelcaro | AlsoDirkson: there probably are lighter shells than bash with autocompletion, but I'm not sure why you'd use them |
| 00:53.14 | freeroute | wedge: you mean patching it from the WP updating tool in WP itself? |
| 00:53.17 | dondelelcaro | AlsoDirkson: zsh and bash are light-weight enough for interactive use where you spawn the shell once, and keep using it for a long time |
| 00:53.46 | themill | AlsoDirkson: dash is definitely not a good user shell -- it's a bash alternative in the sense of it being good for #!/bin/sh |
| 00:53.52 | AlsoDirkson | dondelelcaro: Don't use much local command line here, but the memory is only about 512. Normal browsing, even with a lightweight browser, eats that up in nothing flat. |
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| 00:54.56 | dondelelcaro | AlsoDirkson: even zsh will barely use a fraction of that; I wouldn't worry about it much |
| 00:55.37 | fomg | Hey. I have two harddrives and normally boot from HD1 (where debian with grub is installed). To install windows on HD2 I had to change the boot order in my bios so it would by default boot HD2. |
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| 00:55.52 | fomg | So windows hasn't written anything into the MBR of HD1 and grub doesn't know about it. |
| 00:56.10 | AlsoDirkson | dondelelcaro: I suppose. I did just reduce the number of gettys : ) |
| 00:56.10 | fomg | Should I just reinstall grub as if windows had overwritten the MBR of HD1? |
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| 00:56.40 | dondelelcaro | AlsoDirkson: well, gettys aren't terribly useful if you're running X (or even if you aren't). Two is probably enough. |
| 00:56.41 | AlsoDirkson | dondelelcaro: Still, I should probably make an attempt at zsh. It sort of sounds better than bash in almost every way. Case-insensitive tab completion? Lovely. |
| 00:56.51 | dondelelcaro | AlsoDirkson: yeah. it's definitely worth switching |
| 00:57.05 | themill | AlsoDirkson: bash can do case-insensitive tab-completion too |
| 00:57.05 | dondelelcaro | has only been using zsh for a year or so now, and it's already far superior |
| 00:57.44 | dondelelcaro | (but it's also quite a bit more complicated) |
| 00:57.45 | AlsoDirkson | themill: Can it? It's never done so for me. But I've rarely tried to locate settings for it, to be fair. |
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| 00:58.14 | themill | add "set completion-ignore-case on" "set completion-map-case on" to ~/.inputrc |
| 00:58.20 | AlsoDirkson | themill: Interesting |
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| 01:28.55 | ftc- | i'm planning on installing debian on my desktop using lvm encryption for the whole root partition (configured in the debian installer). will this be fine on a SSD? |
| 01:29.35 | frostschutz | ftc-, works fine here |
| 01:29.42 | ftc- | cool |
| 01:29.57 | frostschutz | ftc-, that is, lvm encryption and stuff. can't vouch for the debian installer itself, it's a custom setup |
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| 01:30.06 | ftc- | ah yep |
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| 01:30.52 | themill | yes, d-i can do all that for you |
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| 01:32.26 | ftc- | yeah cool. and from what i've read it's better to do fstrim from cron rather than live. is that what you guys do? |
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| 01:32.58 | frostschutz | ftc-, fstrim once a week. needs a recent enough kernel to support trim with cryptsetup/LUKS, and the LUKS container has to be opened with --allow-discards in the first place |
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| 01:36.15 | ftc- | ok cool, thanks for the tip. do you know if the default kernel in wheezy supports it? |
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| 01:47.52 | frostschutz | ftc-, dunno. |
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| 01:50.41 | tyyx | is there a way to say; /sys/devices/virtual/input/input3 = disabled ? somehow? |
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| 02:04.12 | eadthem | ok i am a suse user whos trying to use a debian server |
| 02:04.30 | eadthem | what might the yast2 equvlant be called in debian |
| 02:04.40 | eadthem | specificly services management |
| 02:04.44 | eadthem | and firewall managment |
| 02:05.13 | ectospasm | I thought yast2 was a package manager? |
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| 02:05.18 | ectospasm | eadthem: ^ |
| 02:05.48 | eadthem | well ya there is the sw_single module that handles packagmanagment and update config and repo config and ... |
| 02:06.13 | ectospasm | there isn't a single tool that does all that in debian |
| 02:06.36 | eadthem | it also has modules for samba, ftp, apache, firewalls, network, printers, users, kernal, bootloader, partitioning ... |
| 02:06.38 | ectospasm | there's apt, with various frontends, for package management (and external repository setup) |
| 02:06.42 | ectospasm | yeesh |
| 02:07.07 | eadthem | it has a module just to configure ssh |
| 02:07.14 | ectospasm | so sad |
| 02:07.30 | ectospasm | most of that is found in the requisite subdirectories of /etc |
| 02:07.34 | eadthem | yes |
| 02:07.59 | eadthem | and tbh i do my own apache config |
| 02:08.07 | eadthem | but i let yast do about everything else |
| 02:08.09 | ectospasm | for instance, to edit the configuration for SSH edit stuff in /etc/ssh/* |
| 02:08.15 | eadthem | ya i foudn that |
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| 02:08.41 | ectospasm | there isn't a tool in Debian to do it all |
| 02:08.46 | eadthem | but i cant seem to find the tool to start the sshd service and to make it avalable on runlevels 3 and 5 |
| 02:08.49 | ectospasm | not that I'm aware of |
| 02:09.15 | eadthem | and the console tools i do that with in suse are xinetd |
| 02:09.19 | ectospasm | eadthem: in modern Debian distributions you should be able to say "service ssh start" |
| 02:09.21 | eadthem | witch aparently is also suse specific :p |
| 02:09.38 | eadthem | mmm ile try that |
| 02:09.58 | ectospasm | xinetd is NOT SuSE specific, just not many distributions use that... it's more of a BSD ism as far as I know |
| 02:10.27 | ectospasm | eadthem: I'm sure you've discovered /etc/apache2? |
| 02:10.35 | eadthem | yes |
| 02:10.43 | eadthem | that im sure is not that diffrent |
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| 02:11.15 | eadthem | o |
| 02:11.21 | eadthem | ahhh |
| 02:11.29 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell eadthem -about apache2 |
| 02:11.32 | eadthem | well its still apache so :p |
| 02:11.59 | eadthem | but ya /etc/apache2 dose not match anything like what suse has by default :p |
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| 02:12.29 | ectospasm | Debian makes multiple sites on one system easy |
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| 02:13.01 | eadthem | witch isnt bad as i deleted most of it redirected it to /etc/apache2/thissystem/ in suse :p |
| 02:13.24 | eadthem | ya thats what suse dose its apache so it cant be that diffrent |
| 02:14.03 | eadthem | when dpkg says apache is realy 2.2 it means 2.2.x right |
| 02:14.09 | eadthem | not vanilla 2.2 |
| 02:14.21 | ectospasm | the apache2 configuration files aren't that different, themselves, but changing the filesystem layout may make it not work on Debian without a lot of massaging |
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| 02:14.40 | eadthem | ah ya 2.2.22-1 |
| 02:14.42 | ectospasm | eadthem: in stable, it's 2.2 |
| 02:14.55 | ectospasm | ...or whatever revision number therin |
| 02:15.14 | eadthem | dose debian use /srv/www/htdocs or /home/htdocs ? |
| 02:15.18 | eadthem | or a diffrent one |
| 02:15.53 | ectospasm | I couldn't answer that, because I don't use htdocs |
| 02:15.59 | eadthem | ya i can figure out the apache stuff |
| 02:16.05 | eadthem | i think i got ssh running |
| 02:16.45 | eadthem | dose debian not allow root for ssh login? |
| 02:17.17 | somiaj | it should be enabled by default |
| 02:17.51 | ectospasm | eadthem: check /etc/ssh/sshd_config for PermitRootLogin |
| 02:17.58 | ace-exploit | hello |
| 02:18.15 | eadthem | mmm sshd_config might help :p |
| 02:18.20 | eadthem | was doing ssh_config |
| 02:18.37 | ace-exploit | Is it possible to install and run gnome3/shell on debian unstable or experimental? I've just smoked my testing install 3 times in the past 3 months |
| 02:18.46 | ace-exploit | right after it was all configured and nice. |
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| 02:20.33 | ace-exploit | what I did was add experimental and all the other branches to sources.list and did a dist-upgrade, along with LMDE's and kali-linux's repos and I cannot fix it. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can revert back to the jessie/testing packages, like do a force reinstall on all installed packages, and if they cannot be retrieved leave alone? |
| 02:20.34 | tekzilla | just wanted to say i'm a huge ANTEGRRRRRRROOSSSS fan |
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| 02:21.03 | tekzilla | oh well wrong channel :) |
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| 02:21.34 | ace-exploit | lasdf |
| 02:22.13 | tekzilla | ls -lasdf /mnt/woot |
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| 02:23.12 | ruukasu | Is debian without nonfree or contrib packages "100% libre" like trisquel, gnewsense, etc? |
| 02:24.00 | zinx | ruukasu: debian without nonfree/contrib complies with the Debian Free Software Guidelines |
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| 02:24.09 | ace-exploit | no, just add non-free to the sources repo, it's usually there by default |
| 02:24.20 | zinx | ruukasu: whether you consider that libre or not depends on your personal view. me, i think it's pretty libre. |
| 02:24.26 | ace-exploit | has anyone here used arch linux? |
| 02:24.30 | ace-exploit | or gentoo? |
| 02:24.34 | ruukasu | Acceos, yes, arch |
| 02:24.42 | ruukasu | er |
| 02:24.44 | ruukasu | ace-exploit, |
| 02:25.29 | ace-exploit | I'm about to do a complete reinstall and I want bleeding edge and I want gnome-shell 3.10 and I want bleeding edge. I'm familiar with debian distro's the most, so I'd prefer to use debian unstable or testing, but I can't get that to boot, so do you have any suggestions? |
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| 02:25.50 | ace-exploit | sorry to repeat myself lol |
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| 02:26.16 | ruukasu | so you're on arch now but you want to switch to debian? |
| 02:26.20 | zinx | !info gnome-shell wheezy |
| 02:26.27 | dvs | !topicsmite ace-exploit |
| 02:26.28 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ace-exploit. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:26.42 | zinx | oh darn you dpkg |
| 02:26.45 | zinx | !info gnome-shell |
| 02:26.48 | dpkg | gnome-shell: (graphical shell for the GNOME desktop), section gnome, is optional. Version: 3.8.4-5 (sid), Packaged size: 304 kB, Installed size: 1025 kB |
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| 02:27.01 | bitwize | Try installing debian stable, then upgrading. |
| 02:27.04 | zinx | hmm, 3.8.x is not new enough? :/ |
| 02:27.06 | bitwize | See? Partially on topic :) |
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| 02:30.35 | eadthem | feels edified |
| 02:30.43 | ace-exploit | no, I've been using debian for years, particulary debian mint, but I'm sick of uninstalling (mate) and reinstalling the whole desktop for gnome. I was interested in using arch, because I've heard they get the latest packages. |
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| 02:30.59 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell ace-exploit -about mint |
| 02:31.08 | ace-exploit | r u kidding |
| 02:31.34 | ectospasm | Mint is Mint, not Debian Mint. |
| 02:32.15 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell ace-exploit about debian-based |
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| 02:33.49 | somiaj | ace-exploit: mint is not debian, and debian will give you gnome3 as default in wheezy for the de. During the install of debian you can choose which de/wm you want. |
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| 02:34.12 | somiaj | debian stable will of course be a bit behind on packages if that is a point for you |
| 02:34.48 | ectospasm | ...and certain package dependency trees in sid could be horribly broken at any moment in time, for various reasons. |
| 02:35.52 | centrx | But testing is juustt right |
| 02:36.18 | somiaj | centrx: I find testing have its own problems, espically on large package migrations with the de's |
| 02:36.29 | somiaj | sid at least gets faster fixes. (: |
| 02:36.32 | centrx | I don't use DEs :) |
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| 02:39.33 | ectospasm | Testing will be the last to get security fixes. |
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| 02:40.23 | roothorick | On Wheezy: ddclient can be installed by apt-get, but it requires Digest::SHA1 which can NOT be installed by apt-get. Who missed this one? |
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| 02:42.35 | fibz_ | bah! i've encrypted my torrent communications and tried jigdo and still comcast is blocking me from downloading debian >_< |
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| 02:42.58 | ace-exploit | Does anyone know how to reinstall all currently installed packages with aptitude/synaptic, and use force, so that if a package cannot be downloaded, then it's just left unresolved? |
| 02:43.36 | dgriffi | roothorick: why would Digest:SHA1 not be installed? |
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| 02:44.53 | roothorick | dgriffi: it's not installable at all. libdigest-sha1-perl is gone completely. |
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| 02:45.53 | somiaj | I think libdigest-sha-perl provides that, look at the package description |
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| 02:46.55 | dgriffi | roothorick: yeah.. try libdigest-sha-perl |
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| 02:47.55 | roothorick | dgriffi: incompatible API. Doesn't work. |
| 02:47.56 | somiaj | ace-exploit: aptitude reinstall ~i |
| 02:48.27 | roothorick | tried installing the package from squeeze. It wants perlapi which apparently doesn't exist either |
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| 02:50.51 | dgriffi | is there someplace that details how the multiarch-netinst CD image is made? I'm going to try tackling that multiarch installer on flash drive thing again |
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| 02:59.30 | ace-exploit | what's the easiest way to install and run debian unstable? |
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| 03:00.00 | ace-exploit | should I install a testing image and then change the sources then do a dist-upgrade |
| 03:00.09 | centrx | Install the stable version and then |
| 03:00.12 | centrx | Yes you can do that |
| 03:00.13 | fibz_ | any one willing to sell me debian DVD library? i can't afford $30 >_< |
| 03:00.18 | ace-exploit | is it possible to try to run experimental? |
| 03:00.27 | dgriffi | ace-exploit: install debian stable and then type cat /dev/urandom > /dev/mem |
| 03:00.33 | centrx | ace-exploit, experimental only has a few packages in it, not a complete system |
| 03:00.45 | ggoes | I have a kernel that I compiled on a server that is not running Debian. Is there a way to run make-kpkg on this directory without make-kpkg trying to recompile the kernel itself? |
| 03:00.56 | ace-exploit | I just tried updating to experimental, but did not get x to boot, nor even get dpkg to configure packages that were broken |
| 03:01.01 | ace-exploit | it broke install-info |
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| 03:01.05 | centrx | ace-exploit, You could run unstable and then always use anything available in experimental, but probably not recommended |
| 03:01.23 | centrx | ace-exploit, experimental is...very unstable |
| 03:01.29 | centrx | ace-exploit, If you want something stable, stick with "testing" |
| 03:01.30 | jarkko_ | i have a question |
| 03:01.34 | ace-exploit | so is there an image for unstable? |
| 03:01.36 | zinx | ace-exploit: experimental is for packages that are *KNOWN* to be broken |
| 03:01.50 | jarkko_ | i just installed a new kernel, i got a message that i have received sometimes before |
| 03:01.52 | zinx | ace-exploit: so you're pretty much the one at fault if you installed anything from there :) |
| 03:02.01 | ace-exploit | do you know if unstable has gnome3.10 working/booting into x? |
| 03:02.11 | jarkko_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.11 | jarkko_ | [ 854.172873] prefetch64-sse: 13292.000 MB/sec |
| 03:02.11 | jarkko_ | [ 854.212850] generic_sse: 12906.000 MB/sec |
| 03:02.12 | jarkko_ | etc |
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| 03:02.28 | fibz_ | pastebin |
| 03:02.30 | jarkko_ | what are those? |
| 03:02.35 | jarkko_ | ok i will |
| 03:02.54 | zinx | jarkko_: NSA timing calibration, so they can decrypt your messages |
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| 03:03.10 | centrx | ace-exploit, Looks like unstable has Gnome 3.8 ( http://packages.debian.org/gnome ) |
| 03:03.17 | ace-exploit | is there a way to remove by branch for instance uninstall/purge packages that were pulled and installed from experimental and then reinstall pointing to unstable? |
| 03:03.33 | jarkko_ | here http://pastebin.com/UYKdZ42c |
| 03:03.41 | zinx | ace-exploit: not generally. |
| 03:03.51 | ace-exploit | yeah, that's just the same as testing 3.8 (gnome-shell) |
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| 03:03.59 | zinx | ace-exploit: downgrades aren't supported in debian. if you get lucky, they might work. but you've probably installed way too much |
| 03:04.10 | ace-exploit | yep |
| 03:04.33 | ace-exploit | well I put too much work into it, so I'm just gonna shrink the partition and reinstall. |
| 03:04.52 | ace-exploit | then maybe in 6 months it'll boot all of a sudden :) |
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| 03:05.21 | ace-exploit | so what do you think kali-linux, gentoo, opensuse, or archlinux? |
| 03:05.47 | ace-exploit | kali- is debian testing too, so... Is arch much different |
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| 03:06.07 | centrx | ace-exploit, I've been using Debian since 2002, so that is what I would recommend |
| 03:06.46 | centrx | jarkko_, Looks like filesystem/RAID boot up procedure? |
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| 03:07.06 | jarkko_ | looks to me too, but i dont have raid |
| 03:07.11 | jarkko_ | i dont use btrfs either |
| 03:08.10 | centrx | dpkg -l |grep raid |
| 03:08.10 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep raid |
| 03:08.30 | centrx | jarkko_, You might have these packages installed which you can remove/purge |
| 03:08.54 | jarkko_ | that command shows nothing |
| 03:10.32 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 03:10.39 | ShapeShifter499 | does anyone here use pithos? |
| 03:10.48 | ShapeShifter499 | mp3-hifi doesn't work |
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| 03:12.00 | centrx | jarkko_, Odd |
| 03:12.04 | centrx | jarkko_, It shouldn't hurt anything? |
| 03:12.13 | ShapeShifter499 | reading the source issues list on github seems to suggest that this issue is fixed but running that copy leads to a segmentation fault |
| 03:12.29 | jarkko_ | well i just want to learn what my dmesg is saying to me |
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| 03:13.18 | ShapeShifter499 | I just found pithos irc chat #pithos, going to ask there |
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| 03:24.22 | centrx | jarkko_, Okay, well what it is saying is "I am loading every filesystem driver I can get my hands on" |
| 03:25.16 | centrx | jarkko_, With xor, it is testing which CPU instruction is fastest for doing the RAID5 integrity check |
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| 03:25.27 | centrx | Or RAID 6 I guess |
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| 03:27.59 | jarkko_ | but shouldnt these be disabled by default if there is no such use? |
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| 03:30.40 | centrx | I would think so |
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| 03:30.52 | centrx | It is possible your motherboard has a RAID controller on it |
| 03:31.22 | centrx | but it is loading all those filesystems too for some reason |
| 03:31.34 | centrx | does dpkg -l |grep btrfs show anything? |
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| 03:35.48 | jarkko_ | doesnt show |
| 03:36.00 | jarkko_ | i have raid possibility on motherboard |
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| 04:17.58 | theduskywizard | It disappeared from the repos. |
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| 04:25.34 | rudi_s | judd: hydra |
| 04:26.20 | rudi_s | judd: versions hydra |
| 04:26.21 | judd | Package: hydra on i386 -- jessie: 7.5-2; sid: 7.5-2 |
| 04:26.33 | rudi_s | Oh, he left .. |
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| 04:28.14 | dz2 | I upgraded to debian 7.3, now evolution won't start. |
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| 04:30.49 | somiaj | dz2: upgraded from what? |
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| 04:33.42 | dz2 | 7.2 I think |
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| 04:34.05 | Gentoon | Hello |
| 04:34.33 | Gentoon | How do I install Debian with a newer kernel, like the one testing would use? |
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| 04:35.12 | dz2 | The installer asked me something about permissions in postgresql during the upgrade process. Can I bring that part back to have anther look at. |
| 04:35.14 | centrx | Gentoon, You install it as normal then upgrade the kernel? |
| 04:35.33 | Gentoon | Oh, was hoping there was a way to do it at install time |
| 04:35.34 | centrx | Gentoon, You can also roll your own installer somehow, if you are doing a mass deploy or something |
| 04:35.47 | centrx | Gentoon, Yeah there is |
| 04:35.57 | Gentoon | Guess for a single machine it would be easier to just upgrade to testing haha |
| 04:36.02 | centrx | dz2, Yes, use dpkg-reconfigure <package name> |
| 04:36.23 | centrx | dz2, You might use dpkg-reconfigure -plow <package> or dpkg-reconfigure -phigh <package> instead |
| 04:36.25 | Gentoon | Also will the bootloader installation be all automagical with my EFI and Windows like Ubuntu's is? |
| 04:36.40 | somiaj | Gentoon: once you have the base system installed, you can upgrade to a newer kernel from wheezy-backports |
| 04:36.43 | centrx | dz2, The -p specifies what priority/difficulty level the configuration questions are. Not sure if it is used much |
| 04:36.51 | Gentoon | Thx somiaj |
| 04:37.27 | somiaj | Gentoon: there are unoffical installers made with non-free firmware but not sure if they have any with newer kernels. though I'd think the current kernel would be fine for isntalling |
| 04:37.46 | Gentoon | Yeah thats fine for installing |
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| 04:38.05 | Gentoon | Just want to be sure the bootloader will hndle EFI okay |
| 04:38.15 | Gentoon | It was a pain doing it manually with Arch |
| 04:38.32 | Gentoon | But Ubuntu did it all automatically and was awesome. |
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| 04:40.14 | mikodo | To have a running Debian Jessie, is this the procedure? Download .iso of Debian Stable, install, and then change *all* of /etc/apt/sources.list instances to jessie instead of stable. Then sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade. Is that it? |
| 04:40.43 | somiaj | mikodo: I'd only install a minimial system first so you upgrade only the base and then install the other packages after |
| 04:41.00 | centrx | mikodo, Yes, but I don't know the aptitude commands myself. With normal apt-get you do: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:41.33 | themill | mikodo: you'd do better with apt-get than aptitude for that upgrade and you'll need a dist-upgrade there too. |
| 04:42.13 | dz2 | thanks centrx |
| 04:42.18 | mikodo | Really, why the dist-upgrade |
| 04:43.27 | centrx | mikodo, "It is sometimes necessary to remove one package in order to upgrade another; this command (safe-upgrade) is not able to upgrade packages in such situations. Use the full-upgrade command to upgrade as many packages as possible." |
| 04:43.29 | themill | mikodo: because you will need to permit apt to uninstall lots of packages as part of the upgrade process |
| 04:43.41 | karmine | im having an issue with terminal |
| 04:44.17 | karmine | i typed bash into my console and tried to run something now anything i try to run shows up as "unknown" |
| 04:44.36 | mikodo | Alright, Thanks everyone. Any links, I've looked on this process to read more about it. |
| 04:44.57 | karmine | tried google etc and the chan for my distro but nothing |
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| 04:45.39 | karmine | do i have to reinstall because of a scrwed up terminal on one of my user account that works fine in root? |
| 04:46.17 | centrx | karmine, No, seems unlikely that you would have to reinstall :) |
| 04:46.25 | centrx | karmine, Is it really saying "unknown" or is it gibberish? |
| 04:46.36 | karmine | then why am i getting errors with every command? |
| 04:46.46 | karmine | im running kali |
| 04:46.51 | fibz_ | you are not in the sudo group? |
| 04:47.06 | centrx | karmine, Probably a bug in kali. Switch to Debian immediately :) |
| 04:47.12 | fibz_ | ^ |
| 04:47.22 | karmine | *gasp* why |
| 04:47.31 | centrx | jk |
| 04:47.32 | karmine | all these tools |
| 04:47.39 | themill | karmine: please ask for help in #kali-linux. Typing gibberish commands will end up with jibberish errors. |
| 04:47.45 | karmine | just wondering why im stuck in bash and unable to revert |
| 04:47.48 | fibz_ | its not a desktop OS it's a TOOL |
| 04:48.01 | karmine | i asked in #kali and they are clueless hence why im here |
| 04:48.38 | fibz_ | recommends https://www.osdisc.com/products/debian/practical-guide-to-linux-commands-editors-and-shell-programming-a-3rd-edition-paperback-013308504x.html |
| 04:49.00 | karmine | i want to read 5 hours for a simple command |
| 04:49.11 | karmine | might as well reinstall |
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| 04:49.32 | karmine | "how to exit bash" |
| 04:49.39 | themill | karmine: they don't appear particularly clueless at all. You're making up commands and they're not working. This isn't surprising. Please take it to #kali-linux and try showing them real commands and real output rather than your typo-ridden mess. |
| 04:50.00 | karmine | mess? riddles? |
| 04:50.08 | karmine | ok let me lay it out for you |
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| 04:50.26 | karmine | go in terminal type "bash" hit enter |
| 04:50.29 | themill | karmine: please take it to #kali-linux. |
| 04:50.30 | karmine | bam im stuck |
| 04:50.46 | karmine | so cold-hearted |
| 04:50.51 | centrx | karmine, Try closing the terminal and opening a new terminal |
| 04:50.59 | centrx | karmine, Or try the "reset" command |
| 04:51.04 | karmine | ive restared 3 times |
| 04:51.10 | centrx | the whole computer? |
| 04:51.22 | karmine | i dual boot man i have company over |
| 04:51.33 | centrx | okay sorry |
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| 04:51.38 | karmine | OMG |
| 04:51.42 | karmine | centrx |
| 04:51.43 | centrx | I was about to make a wise crack |
| 04:51.45 | karmine | that worked |
| 04:51.51 | karmine | maybe |
| 04:51.54 | karmine | lemme try |
| 04:52.44 | karmine | didnt work on other acct wtf? |
| 04:52.58 | karmine | only 1 account affected |
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| 04:53.17 | karmine | can do anything on this one but not the other |
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| 04:53.44 | themill | karmine: I think centrx was offering to help you in #kali-linux. |
| 04:53.50 | karmine | guess ill just have to nuke that account |
| 04:53.56 | karmine | that should work |
| 04:53.57 | centrx | themill is very wise |
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| 05:07.59 | sary | Salutations! running unstable with systemd, when installaing 'transmission-daemon' it fails to install & start http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3972178 |
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| 05:09.06 | centrx | sary, What is the result of See 'systemctl status transmission-daemon.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details. |
| 05:09.12 | sary | "systemctl status transmission-daemon.service" http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3972179 , and 'dpkg --configure --pending', 'dpkg --configure -a' 'apt-get -f install' does nothing! |
| 05:09.43 | sary | 'journalctl -xn' --> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3979173 |
| 05:10.23 | themill | sary: the bts seems to say that this is well known |
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| 05:11.32 | sary | centrx, hey, i thought someone would ask about that, so there you have it. |
| 05:11.43 | sary | themill, hey, bts! |
| 05:11.50 | centrx | Thanks :) |
| 05:12.25 | themill | "transmission-daemon.service: main process exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV" sounds like transmission itself is broken too |
| 05:14.28 | sary | you think it could be something to do with 'libc-2.17.so' ? |
| 05:15.13 | sary | #kernel: transmission-da[14925]: segfault at 4 ip 00007f9f219bbc29 sp 00007f9f1ed00c00 error 6 in libc-2.17.so[7f9f21906000+1a3000] |
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| 05:17.05 | centrx | sary, Could it be the same as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666514 ? |
| 05:17.10 | centrx | sary, Does the version in testing work? |
| 05:17.12 | sary | been scratching my head on this on the last three days! |
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| 05:18.20 | jeancdub | gey |
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| 05:18.34 | themill | predicts sary is going to spend some quality time with gdb soon |
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| 05:27.22 | sary | centrx, they look similar, i think i have seen the error on loadding: load 'No such file or directory' bit somewhere along the line. |
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| 05:28.19 | sary | When i had testing, yes it used to run fine, but i don't have testing on hand atm. |
| 05:29.30 | sary | thah! i don't mind digging with gdb! |
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| 06:49.45 | Pinchiukas | Can anyone tell me the benefits to having VMWare Tools in a Debian VM? |
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| 06:50.47 | nkuttler | Pinchiukas: ask #vmware ? |
| 06:51.15 | nkuttler | or just use something like libvirt, virtualbox, etc |
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| 06:55.55 | Pinchiukas | nkuttler: I don't think you understand what you're saying... |
| 06:57.11 | nkuttler | Pinchiukas: maybe your question was imprecise? but see |
| 06:57.14 | nkuttler | !wmware support |
| 06:57.17 | nkuttler | !vmware support |
| 06:57.18 | dpkg | Support for VMware products is not offered here; please go to http://vmware.com/support/ or join #vmware on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:57.54 | Pinchiukas | nkuttler: maybe you didn't read it closely enough? :) |
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| 06:59.11 | nkuttler | if you think so.. |
| 07:00.47 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: effortless time sync to host; ability to do host or api initiated shutdown, suspend, consistent snapshots, ... |
| 07:02.02 | jelly-home | also, the vsphere client will show the correct installed OS name and version |
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| 07:06.32 | Pinchiukas | Cause I'm considering if it's worth the hassle. It seems that there are Debian packages for it but they require headers, compilers and all that stuff... |
| 07:06.54 | Pinchiukas | The VM is not on a server, I'm using VMWare Workstation - on my laptop. |
| 07:09.18 | Pinchiukas | Would it be possible to change the resolution of the console to see more text? I'm not planning on installing X on this VM. |
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| 07:12.10 | nicenoob | can i ask here for 'general' questions or just specifics? |
| 07:12.32 | nkuttler | nicenoob: just ask |
| 07:12.54 | rozie | google first |
| 07:12.56 | rozie | (hello) |
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| 07:38.48 | Aerosonic | Hi guys! |
| 07:39.03 | Aerosonic | I'm getting this weird error when I'm doing apt-get update: |
| 07:39.05 | Aerosonic | W: Failed to fetch cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 7.0.0 _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20130505-10:47]/dists/wheezy/main/binary-amd64/Packages Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs |
| 07:39.27 | Aerosonic | It's an installed system, so I'm not sure why it's doing that. |
| 07:39.34 | [olf-folks] | cat /etc/apt/source.list |
| 07:40.28 | Aerosonic | No such file or directory...? |
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| 07:40.59 | [olf-folks] | sources.list my bad |
| 07:41.11 | [olf-folks] | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 07:41.24 | Aerosonic | Do you want me to pastie it? |
| 07:41.33 | [olf-folks] | paste.debian.net |
| 07:42.20 | Aerosonic | [olf-folks]: http://paste.debian.net/75377/ |
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| 07:43.06 | linux-fox | #flood |
| 07:43.59 | [olf-folks] | thats odd |
| 07:44.08 | [olf-folks] | but https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 07:44.09 | Aerosonic | I feared you'd say that. |
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| 07:45.06 | Aerosonic | [olf-folks]: Any clue how to fix this? |
| 07:45.10 | [olf-folks] | i dont know what it means by failed to verify so someone else is suppost to jump in |
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| 07:46.10 | [olf-folks] | # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: ?? |
| 07:46.14 | Aerosonic | Hm. Anyone have any idea? |
| 07:46.20 | [olf-folks] | nope |
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| 07:46.40 | [olf-folks] | but i did help possibly find the problem |
| 07:47.00 | Aerosonic | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=72392 |
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| 07:48.37 | [olf-folks] | Aerosonic: that is talking about upgrading |
| 07:49.23 | Aerosonic | Well, I'll try it anyway. |
| 07:49.24 | Aerosonic | brb |
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| 07:54.20 | Aerosonic | Didn't help. |
| 07:54.37 | Aerosonic | Well actually it *did* help. |
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| 07:58.00 | Aerosonic | aircrack-ng : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15) but 2.13-38 is to be installed |
| 07:58.02 | Aerosonic | Depends: libgcrypt11 (>= 1.5.1) but 1.5.0-5+deb7u1 is to be installed |
| 07:58.12 | Aerosonic | This was the original problem I've encountered. |
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| 07:58.29 | somiaj | Aerosonic: looks like you are trying to mix version of debian, this is very bad, and can cause lots of bugs |
| 07:58.30 | Aerosonic | Someone suggested to try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 07:58.37 | somiaj | ,v libc6 |
| 07:58.38 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.17-97; sid: 2.17-97; experimental: 2.18-0experimental0 |
| 07:59.05 | somiaj | looks like you are trying to install a package from jessie or sid into wheezy, you do not want to do this and need to undo all the mess you have done |
| 07:59.30 | Aerosonic | somiaj: Well, that'd be easy because Debian didn't let me do anything. |
| 08:00.28 | Aerosonic | somiaj: Then what can I do? |
| 08:00.32 | somiaj | debian lets you do a lot, libc6 is a core libary that most things depend on. If you upgrade it you could break things. You do not install new software that depends on newer versions of your libaries, you compile the software against the libaries you have or see if someone has made a backport already |
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| 08:00.48 | Aerosonic | Ah. |
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| 08:01.46 | somiaj | you will want to remove the jessie/sid sources from your sources.list and make sure you only ohave wheezy sorces. After that you need to find all the packages you have that cause conflicts, and manually install them back to the wheezy version |
| 08:01.53 | somiaj | aptitude search can help you out, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.htmlhttp://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 08:01.57 | somiaj | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 08:02.54 | somiaj | Aerosonic: debian packages work really well when you only stick to a single release to grab packages from (aka only grab packages made for debian wheezy, don't grab jessie/sid packages, don't grab packages for ubuntu, etc) |
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| 08:03.18 | Aerosonic | My current source list, somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/75378/ |
| 08:03.25 | somiaj | they really are not designed to just grab any random deb and install it, compiling from source is the safest way to get stuff outside of wheezy |
| 08:03.56 | Aerosonic | somiaj: I tried to compile aircrack from source, but it didn't install properly. |
| 08:04.02 | somiaj | Aerosonic: okay run apt-get update, then run 'apt-get -f install' and see if it can fix everything for you? |
| 08:04.29 | Aerosonic | I did already before I rejoined. |
| 08:04.33 | somiaj | there is already one in wheezy backports for you |
| 08:04.38 | somiaj | ,v aircrack-ng |
| 08:04.39 | judd | Package: aircrack-ng on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1:1.1-6~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:1.1-6; sid: 1:1.1-6 |
| 08:05.06 | somiaj | add the wheezy-backports sources (/msg dpkg wheezy backports) to your list, you can install things from there with out messing with your system because those packages are compiled to run on wheezy |
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| 08:06.59 | Aerosonic | Okay, I just did that. Ran apt-get update. |
| 08:07.15 | Aerosonic | I'm still getting: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15) but 2.13-38 is to be installed |
| 08:07.16 | somiaj | so now, apt-get -t wheezy-backports install aircrack-ng |
| 08:07.29 | Aerosonic | Ahh. |
| 08:07.35 | somiaj | Aerosonic: you have some strange compiled binar package installed, I do not know where you are getting this package. |
| 08:07.50 | somiaj | you have to remove/get rid of the bad packages and revert anything that was upgraded back to wheezy versions when these errors started |
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| 08:08.14 | somiaj | Aerosonic: lok in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ do you have any strange sources in there? |
| 08:08.24 | Aerosonic | Oooh, that just worked. |
| 08:08.45 | Aerosonic | The "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install aircrack-ng" worked well. |
| 08:09.03 | Aerosonic | somiaj: I posted the sources list above here: http://paste.debian.net/75378/ |
| 08:09.14 | Aerosonic | No "strange" sources appear now. |
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| 08:09.52 | somiaj | Aerosonic: no, 'ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/' that is a directory, what are its contents? |
| 08:10.03 | somiaj | also paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
| 08:10.38 | Aerosonic | google-talkplugin.list |
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| 08:11.14 | Aerosonic | That's the only one in list.d |
| 08:11.20 | Aerosonic | policy: http://paste.debian.net/75379/ |
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| 08:12.23 | somiaj | I am unsure how good that google-talk repo is, I would remove it if you don't need it |
| 08:12.57 | somiaj | beyond that, you may have a few thigns to clean up after trying to install that strange package, hopefully you got everything and it works now |
| 08:14.17 | Aerosonic | somiaj: So one of the things that was supposed to be installed with aircrack was the airmon program. |
| 08:14.35 | Aerosonic | Oddly enough, when I type airmon into console, it's not found. |
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| 08:15.10 | Aerosonic | I thought it'd be installed into some weird directory so i did find / -name airmon-ng, and nothing came up. |
| 08:15.14 | somiaj | Aerosonic: 'dpkg -L aircrack-ng' that will list all the files it installed, look for things in /usr/bin -- see the program maybe by a different name like airmon-ng |
| 08:16.14 | Aerosonic | somiaj: Well, it didn't install airmon. |
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| 08:16.47 | somiaj | there is no program called airmon in debian that I can tell |
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| 08:17.05 | Aerosonic | somiaj: It's one of the tools in the aircrack suite. |
| 08:17.24 | somiaj | Aerosonic: ahh I see it, there is an /usr/sbin/airmon-ng |
| 08:17.41 | Aerosonic | I see it now too. |
| 08:17.48 | Aerosonic | So I guess I just ./ it? |
| 08:18.27 | somiaj | no, it most likely requires root privlages to run, so run it with sudo |
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| 08:18.58 | somiaj | as in some of the things you want to do with it cannot be done without root privalges |
| 08:19.04 | Aerosonic | That worked. |
| 08:19.07 | Aerosonic | Thank you somiaj! |
| 08:19.11 | Aerosonic | You've helped me quite a lot. |
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| 08:22.18 | tparcina | I have tried to install Nvidia legacy drivers on Jessie and now I can't start X. How to troubleshoot this? |
| 08:22.49 | somiaj | tparcina: did you modify your xorg.conf file to call 'nvidia', also check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file |
| 08:23.36 | tparcina | somiaj: No, I haven't modified my xorg.conf. I was hoping installation will modify it as needed. |
| 08:24.12 | somiaj | tparcina: nope, they need to update /usr/share/doc/nvidia-foo/ to include a simple example |
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| 08:25.04 | tparcina | somiaj: Do you have a link to some simple example? |
| 08:25.16 | somiaj | tparcina: http://paste.debian.net/75381 -- that should be enough |
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| 08:25.34 | somiaj | as in all you need in your xorg.conf file |
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| 08:28.17 | tparcina | somiaj: Thank you, I'll try it. |
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| 08:41.34 | TeslaTony | I wrote Debian DVD1 to a flash drive, and when I boot into it and try installing it keeps asking me about my cdrom drive without trying to use the files on the flash drive. Any clue what's going on? |
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| 08:43.57 | somiaj | dgriffi: think that works better than configuring grub to boot form an .iso file on the usb stick? That is the method I've seen but it seems to be a lot of distros need different options to get their iso to boot that way |
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| 08:44.51 | tahlia-devg | heya, had to replace a broken mobo; i wanted to know if it's safe to upgrade from kernel 2.6 to 3.11 by simply downloading the deb packages and running dpkg -i *.deb ? instead of a re-install or upgrade |
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| 08:45.36 | kaanklky | hey, I'm a student in a high school. I hotspot a cable network for my friends |
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| 08:45.54 | somiaj | tahlia-devg: you want to make sure you get a kernel compiled for the version of debian you are running. If you are running squeeze on an older 2.6 kernel, you'll probably only be able to get up to 3.2 from squeeze-backports |
| 08:46.22 | somiaj | tahlia-devg: if you want newer than that you'll have to compile your own. Though if that is the case might just want to upgrade to wheezy frist since squeeze will hit its EOL in a few months |
| 08:46.23 | dgriffi | somiaj: yes, I think it's better. It's quite a bit more fiddly, so simply dd-ing a CD image isn't made obsolete |
| 08:46.42 | dgriffi | somiaj: I'm preparing a writeup of the process |
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| 08:47.36 | somiaj | dgriffi: I miss the usb-hdd images they had for squeeze on live.debian.net. They were set up that you could just create a second partition from the remaning space. I wonder why they stoped providing them. |
| 08:47.48 | dgriffi | shrugs |
| 08:48.57 | ChrisH | Since I upgraded this box to wheezy I get these messages: smartd[3999]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], offline data collection was suspended by an interrupting command from host (auto:on) ; From my understanding this is nothing harmfull, but just a Disk selftest was interuppted by requested data transfer. correct? |
| 08:49.52 | tahlia-devg | somiaj: thanks for that.. I'm running 2.6.32-5 686. Would it be okay to go to squeeze-backports then to wheezy direct? |
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| 08:52.32 | somiaj | tahlia-devg: packages from squeeze-backports are not tested as much as squeeze for upgrading |
| 08:52.46 | somiaj | tahlia-devg: if you are gonna upgrade I would just upgrade to wheezy and make sure you read the release notes |
| 08:53.12 | somiaj | tahlia-devg: if you really need a newer kernel in the process I think getting the kernel packages from squeeze backports wouldn't change much |
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| 08:54.24 | tahlia-devg | somiaj: thanks for that, the issue i have after replacing the motherboard is the network card driver is not supported.. although, 3.11 kernel supports it. I just wanted the quick fire way of getting the machine back online, and upgrade would be a last resort. |
| 08:54.50 | somiaj | tahlia-devg: so you don't know if the 3.2 kernel supports it or not? |
| 08:55.29 | tahlia-devg | somiaj: it does support it, i tried Ubuntu 13.10 on a USB and it works. |
| 08:55.53 | somiaj | yea 3.2 is the best you are gonna get in squeeze backports, if you need newer you will have to compile, you can use packages.debian.org to download the packages you need for the kernel to copy over to get the nic working |
| 08:56.01 | somiaj | also make sure you don't forget the firmware package if it needs it |
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| 08:56.48 | tahlia-devg | somiaj: although, maybe upgrading would be trivial? it's an Intel machine (new motherboard) but we have AMD machines here.. could I just plug the drive in an AMD machine, update source list; the run the upgrade? |
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| 08:58.12 | tahlia-devg | somiaj: would it have a problem if I'm upgrading the drive from an Intel machine to an AMD machine |
| 08:58.30 | somiaj | tahlia-devg: shouldn't be, just do it inside a chroot that has access to the internet |
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| 08:58.55 | tahlia-devg | somiaj: thanks again.. i owe you one. I'll give that a go. |
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| 08:59.32 | somiaj | tahlia-devg: assuming you know how to set up a chroot, gonna probably need to mount /dev /proc inside so it can access the net within it |
| 08:59.54 | somiaj | but yes debian works well in chroots from other debian boxes, haven't tried it form other distros, but I don't think there would be to much problems |
| 09:00.12 | somiaj | again read the release notes, there are some catches you want to make sure you do before the upgrade |
| 09:00.15 | tahlia-devg | somiaj: thanks for that, i'll have a read about chroot before I try |
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| 09:00.34 | tahlia-devg | somiaj: finding them now :) cheers for you help.. I really appreciate it. |
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| 09:21.08 | Aerosonic | I did a "sudo iwlist scanning" |
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| 09:21.19 | Aerosonic | All wifi networks that showed up had -1dBm |
| 09:21.33 | Aerosonic | That would literally mean that I was sitting in a pile of routers. I am not. |
| 09:21.36 | Zap-W | how do I find out on which channels surrounding AP are operating at? ? |
| 09:22.10 | Aerosonic | Zap-W: sudo iwlist scanning |
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| 09:22.40 | Aerosonic | Zap-W: I'm doing exactly the same thing you are, most probably. |
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| 09:24.02 | Zap-W | Aerosonic: thanks |
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| 09:24.50 | Zap-W | Aerosonic: what are you doing? |
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| 10:10.50 | cortez | So I was looking at the security tracker page for Testing... there are a *lot* of unpatched vulnerabilities for Iceweasel. I thought that Testing had a security team now? I know it's not as resourced as Stable, but the list of CVEs scare me a bit. Do people really use Testing on their desktop and feel safe? |
| 10:10.59 | cortez | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/testing |
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| 10:14.04 | bialet | Hi. On a fresh debian (32 bit) installed, I can't make skype to work with my webcam (which works otherwise, per example with cheese). I've seen that using "LD_PRELOAD..." can help but the libraries mentionned aren't on my system. I've installed v4l and v4l-utils. What did I miss ? |
| 10:14.46 | mouz\lex | Does anyone have any ideas what is going wrong with a samba share. I can see the share fine using pcmanfm. But When prompted for the login credentials, no matter what I enter It will not accept. I have confirmed that the credentials are correct on several other machines, and have been searching forums for hours. but nothing I seem to find works, Mounting from the commandline gives a permission denied (13) error, (as root) anyone h |
| 10:16.08 | cortez | mouz\lex: maybe it's a bug in that pcmanfm instance? try another program on the same host, perhaps? |
| 10:16.37 | mouz\lex | cortez: Same thing with dolpin FM too, won't accept my creds |
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| 10:20.12 | ChrisH | mouz\lex: just to make sure I did understand correct: mount from commandline does not work as expected? does smbclient -u USER -p -L HOST show something usefull, or better trigger a usefull logfile entry on the server side? |
| 10:20.44 | iio7 | I have a 4TB disk that I had connected to USB and setup using parted. I then installed the disk inside a debian box via sata. Now, the disk is seen in BIOS, and it shows up as /dev/sdd, but NOT the sdd1 partition. Also the disk isn't listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid. If I look at /dev/sdd with fdisk, I can see sdd1. |
| 10:21.00 | iio7 | How can I get sdd1 to show up in /dev? |
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| 10:23.40 | mouz\lex | ChrisH: correct. mounting from commandline does not work. Permission denied (13) error. I will get the output of that command now, just a sec |
| 10:23.43 | tilt | iio7: http://serverfault.com/questions/36038/reread-partition-table-without-rebooting |
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| 10:25.31 | mouz\lex | ChrisH: Not enough '\' characters in service |
| 10:25.31 | mouz\lex | :E |
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| 10:27.59 | ChrisH | mouz\lex: it was smbclient -U USERNAME -L HOST |
| 10:29.01 | mouz\lex | ChrisH: I can see the shares from the output of that command |
| 10:29.10 | iio7 | The box has already been rebooted. Also fdisk -l shows /dev/sdd1, but when I look in /dev, sdd1 isn't there! |
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| 10:34.48 | ChrisH | mouz\lex: OK. that normally means all fine (user,pw,exports/share). Then next step is to mount it from commandline. with the same credential |
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| 10:35.39 | mouz\lex | ChrisH: mount -t cifs \\ip.ip.ip.ip /mnt/smb -o username=user,password=pw |
| 10:35.40 | mouz\lex | yeah? |
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| 10:36.48 | mouz\lex | ChrisH: mount error(6): No such device or address |
| 10:37.45 | ChrisH | mouz\lex: that syntax looks odd. mount -t cifs -o username=user,password=pw HOST/SHARE /mnt/smb |
| 10:38.01 | ChrisH | SHARE as seen from smbclient -L |
| 10:38.18 | jelly | ChrisH: surely //host/share or '\\host\share' ? |
| 10:38.19 | mouz\lex | ok |
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| 10:39.18 | ChrisH | jelly: //host/share looks better. I normally use NFS :) |
| 10:39.40 | mouz\lex | mount error(13): Permission denied |
| 10:40.22 | ChrisH | mouz\lex: now go to HOST and check ls -rtl /var/log/samba and expect a logfile refering to the clients IP |
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| 10:42.09 | ChrisH | mouz\lex: Is there AD involved? |
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| 10:43.05 | ChrisH | googleing suggested to try sec=ntlm as addtional option. -o sec=ntlm,username=user,password=pw |
| 10:43.06 | mouz\lex | ChrisH: unsure, I can't login to the hosrt |
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| 10:43.12 | mouz\lex | tried that too! :( |
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| 10:44.19 | ChrisH | mouz\lex: get in touch with the server admins |
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| 10:48.47 | mouz\lex | ChrisH: thanks for the help |
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| 10:57.11 | freakynl | Hi, I just installed 2 debian 7.3 servers without any of the options but ssh. Anyways, there's no less, no colors in ls, etc. Is there any way to get these quickly without the other stuff like exim, mailx, etc.? Need to install plesk on it so I like the basic CLI stuff but not the mail packages, build systems, etc. |
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| 10:58.46 | av0idz | freakynl enable colors and so on in ~/.bashrc |
| 10:59.05 | av0idz | or in /etc/bash.bashrc if you want this globalk |
| 10:59.08 | av0idz | or in /etc/bash.bashrc if you want this global |
| 11:00.16 | av0idz | and for installing software use apt-get install package-name |
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| 11:03.16 | jelly | freakynl: if you want less, install less |
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| 11:04.17 | kubaaaaaa | hey guys |
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| 11:04.36 | kaanklky | hey guys |
| 11:04.44 | kubaaaaaa | do you know how default bind9 config makes it possible for DNS to work even if resolv.conf is empty? |
| 11:04.56 | mouz\lex | freakynl: alias ls to ls --color=auto ? |
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| 11:05.42 | freakynl | av0idz: mouz\lex thanks, I know how those work, was hoping for a bit smaller meta package that install most of the common stuff without the mail and build utils :) |
| 11:06.10 | freakynl | kubaaaaaa: please clarify |
| 11:06.20 | nomad_dw | freakynl: that's what building your own local packages is for ;) |
| 11:06.53 | freakynl | kubaaaaaa: bind9 provides DNS (as in server), resolv.conf makes it so your host (locally) knows how to resolve DNS names |
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| 11:08.25 | tparcina | somiaj: I have created /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 11:08.45 | freakynl | nomad_dw: heh guess so, just hoping I don't overlook things, the people I have to hand the server too aren't that linux savvy :) |
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| 11:09.23 | kubaaaaaa | freakynl: how does bind know which upstream DNS server to query? |
| 11:09.40 | av0idz | kubaaaaa read the manual :) |
| 11:09.40 | tparcina | somiaj: And afther I have restarted the computer I have received "NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. ... No drivers available." message in Xorg.0.log file. |
| 11:09.42 | kubaaaaaa | freakynl: default config contains commented out forwarders section |
| 11:09.43 | freakynl | kubaaaaaa: it will contact root dns servers if you don't configure forwarders |
| 11:09.45 | kubaaaaaa | av0idz: I did |
| 11:10.12 | freakynl | it's the so called . zone |
| 11:10.24 | kubaaaaaa | freakynl: ah, okay, do you know where can I find info aobut it? |
| 11:10.55 | kubaaaaaa | freakynl: doc seems to be quiet about it |
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| 11:11.09 | freakynl | kubaaaaaa: sure, http://bit.ly/KNCV0q |
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| 11:11.59 | freakynl | sorry, I just like that site :P |
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| 11:13.45 | kubaaaaaa | freakynl: I deleted whole zone "." from config but resolving still works... |
| 11:15.39 | freakynl | reload bind |
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| 11:15.57 | kubaaaaaa | freakynl: I did service bind9 restart, then reload, then rndc reload |
| 11:16.03 | kubaaaaaa | freakynl: it still works |
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| 11:17.36 | kubaaaaaa | freakynl: any ideas? |
| 11:17.37 | kubaaaaaa | :) |
| 11:18.05 | kubaaaaaa | I'm checking it with host/nslookup |
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| 11:20.01 | jwww_ | Hello. |
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| 11:20.30 | kubaaaaaa | ok |
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| 11:20.38 | kubaaaaaa | freakynl: "If no hint zone is specified for class IN, the server uses a compiled-in default set of root servers hints" |
| 11:20.45 | kubaaaaaa | freakynl: thanks |
| 11:21.24 | jwww_ | does somebody know an open source support chat software like this one : http://www.ladesk.com/ ? where the server run on debian . |
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| 11:21.45 | cusco | morning golks |
| 11:22.30 | cusco | so, using dependency based boot sequence... can I make MySQL service a dependency, so other service will depend on it? |
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| 11:24.13 | kubaaaaaa | freakynl: btw, do you happen to know if it is possible to use ldap backend for bind9? |
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| 11:25.23 | jwww_ | cusco: yes I think you can edit some init script like the one for your nick, and add a dependency in BEGIN_INIT_INFO. |
| 11:26.32 | jwww_ | cusco: I see mysql init script provide 'mysql' |
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| 11:29.42 | cusco | jwww_: right, so on the other script (in this case mydns) I add 'mysql' at the end of line # Required-Start: |
| 11:29.57 | cusco | I'll see at the next boot... thanks |
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| 11:33.21 | ucef68 | good morning here |
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| 11:33.56 | riverside | Hi folks |
| 11:34.27 | riverside | someone can tell me a good irc client? |
| 11:34.43 | woffs | riverside: irssi. |
| 11:34.45 | nomad_dw | riverside: irssi |
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| 11:34.52 | ucef68 | who can help me with the nouveau driver please ? |
| 11:35.01 | jelly | riverside: xchat if you hate monospaced, terminal apps |
| 11:35.22 | riverside | thanks guys |
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| 11:37.20 | woffs | xfce xfdesktop4 (4.8) in wheezy has no thumbnails on the desktop. 4.10 from sid has (via dbus and tumbler). now I try backporting xfdesktop/sid to wheezy and have to backport the whole xfce4 suite. an alternative may be a patch to xfdesktop4/wheezy, but that's complicated, too. Is there already a xfce-4.10 backport for wheezy out there? Do you have any other ideas? |
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| 11:46.21 | petn-randall | woffs: IIRC it's a config option in xfce 4.8 that is just off by default. |
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| 11:56.36 | woffs | petn-randall: thumbnails in Thunar are working, just no thumbnails on the xfdesktop. they are introduced later: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=d5e4dbea733153b74caba0e7a9c2bccc2ea5bf9c |
| 11:57.12 | woffs | I am just trying to cherry-pick this into the debian xfdesktop4-4.8 source ... |
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| 12:15.08 | no_gravity | Hello! I need to backup a debian box. It has 2 partitions: / and swap. Shall I dd the whole / partition or just tar.gz the files? What do you think? |
| 12:17.39 | bialet | Hi. On a fresh debian (32 bit) installed, I can't make skype to work with my webcam (which works otherwise, per example with cheese). I've seen that using "LD_PRELOAD..." can help but the libraries mentionned aren't on my system. I've installed v4l and v4l-utils. What did I miss ? |
| 12:17.53 | jwww_ | cusco: yw |
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| 12:18.49 | jwww_ | no_gravity: if it's only one backup, tar or rsync will do the job, if you do it often , I advise you to use a backupsoftware such as bacula. |
| 12:19.20 | jwww_ | in every case be sure to exclude /sys /dev and /proc |
| 12:19.24 | no_gravity | jwww_: ok |
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| 12:30.09 | petn-randall | woffs: Other than backporting, I don't have an idea. You can always upgrade your machine to jessie and join us bugfixing the next release ... ;) |
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| 12:45.02 | DotHack | anyone using debian only for kvm hosting? what tools do you use? |
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| 12:45.22 | SirLagz | DotHack: no, but I want to. Are you doing it right now ? |
| 12:45.58 | DotHack | SirLagz: no but ploanning on experimenting with it.. maybe someone has done some expirementing already |
| 12:46.04 | SirLagz | DotHack: ah k. |
| 12:46.11 | SirLagz | Yeah I'm planning on playing with KVM soon |
| 12:46.18 | SirLagz | got an old AMD Athlon X2 box to do it on |
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| 12:53.05 | LoneStar99 | howdy folks trying to install a package using apt-ger |
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| 12:53.29 | SirLagz | LoneStar99: and ? |
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| 12:53.55 | LoneStar99 | apt-get but get the following error -> The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 12:53.55 | LoneStar99 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.11 | LoneStar99 | When trying to "apt-get install mysql-server" |
| 12:54.29 | ChrisH | !paste |
| 12:54.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 12:54.44 | LoneStar99 | ok cool |
| 12:54.50 | SirLagz | LoneStar99: have you upgraded libc6 ? |
| 12:54.58 | ChrisH | LoneStar99: paste full output of apt-get command |
| 12:55.15 | themill | LoneStar99: the output of "apt-cache policy" and your sources.list would be good to see |
| 12:55.43 | LoneStar99 | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f5bf4303/ |
| 12:56.15 | SirLagz | LoneStar99: have you run apt-get -f install |
| 12:56.15 | SirLagz | ? |
| 12:56.37 | LoneStar99 | i guess my question is why is a random error poping up about "mnogosearch" when I am trying to install mysql-server ? |
| 12:57.20 | ChrisH | LoneStar99: You did a apt-get update before you started the install? |
| 12:57.29 | LoneStar99 | SirLagz: "apt-get -f install" same result |
| 12:57.33 | themill | LoneStar99: you've pushed the package system into an inconsistent state. It's trying to get back to one every time it does something. |
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| 12:58.04 | SirLagz | LoneStar99: run apt-get update and then try to run apt-get -f install |
| 12:58.05 | themill | (you appear to have a mixture of wheezy and jessie or sid package there) |
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| 12:58.19 | LoneStar99 | SirLagz: ok let me try that |
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| 13:00.13 | LoneStar99 | thanks you all, happy friday BTW |
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| 13:02.35 | tdn | How do I make Konsole support 256 colors? I see that /lib/terminfo/x/xterm-debian is a symlink to 'xterm'. I guess this should be changed to xterm-256. Is there a debian administration tool for doing this? |
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| 13:02.46 | SirLagz | LoneStar99: did it work ? |
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| 13:03.07 | ToApolytoXaos | can someone help me find what's going on with my debian testing and for some reason it cannot start mysql during boot? i think there's something wrong with its service; when i run "service mysql start" it cannot find it for some reason, but it's in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 13:03.19 | ToApolytoXaos | can anyone please advice? cheers folks. |
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| 13:03.58 | 23LAALAWW | what do you see when you type "which mysql" |
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| 13:04.09 | ToApolytoXaos | nice question; i forgot to run this O_o |
| 13:04.19 | ToApolytoXaos | i see /usr/bin/mysql |
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| 13:05.17 | 23LAALAWW | actually disregard. can you still administer mysql directly with the init script? as in "/etc/init.d/mysql status", for example? |
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| 13:05.48 | LoneStar99 | SirLagz: ran "apt-get update" then "apt-get -f install mysql-server" and still same error.. |
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| 13:06.09 | ToApolytoXaos | 23LAALAWW: yes, i can see various info in there |
| 13:06.14 | ToApolytoXaos | what shall i look for? |
| 13:07.30 | bullgard4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.04 | themill | LoneStar99: that's because you've still got a mixed package set there. Any chance of pastebinning the information I asked for earlier? |
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| 13:08.18 | EricSpensor | Hi. I need help with contacting mafia |
| 13:08.20 | EricSpensor | does anyone know any criminal or gangster? |
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| 13:08.34 | Diehard | xD |
| 13:08.48 | Diehard | try joining #fbi and ask there |
| 13:08.49 | DotHack | EricSpensor: try any italian resaurant and ask for Tony |
| 13:09.51 | ToApolytoXaos | EricSpensor: Mafia is like Chuck Norris; you search to find them, by they find you first. You don't ask them questions; you just answer. Capish? |
| 13:10.10 | LoneStar99 | themill: i would, but must begin getting ready for work, will be back online later this evening |
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| 13:12.38 | HisaoNakai | Hey folks. Was trying to install 7.2 XFCE from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/bt-hybrid/ . For reasons not specified by the installer, the partitioning tasks never worked (I'd get a 'failed' message, with no information) and thus I can't get it to install :s Please help. |
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| 13:13.46 | bullgard4 | HisaoNakai: What was the last identifyable message that you obtaied? |
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| 13:13.58 | bullgard4 | HisaoNakai: What was the last identifyable message that you obtained? |
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| 13:14.45 | nkuttler | ,v python-pil |
| 13:14.46 | judd | Package: python-pil on i386 -- jessie: 2.2.1-3; sid: 2.2.1-3 |
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| 13:18.53 | HisaoNakai | bullgard4: Well, I hit the (iirc) 'Done partitioning' choice, it scanned the swap, then asked me for a confirmation for the format (of the root partition), and after one gave the go-ahead it said it failed :| |
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| 13:19.56 | HisaoNakai | I installed gparted in the live session (...yeah, well), successfully formatted the root partition from that, went through the same thing again and this time it tried to format the swap partition and failed. |
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| 13:21.15 | woffs | petn-randall: it's not my machine, it's the machines of 150 people working here, so I like to stay stable. :-) |
| 13:21.27 | SirLagz | woffs: what are you trying to do ? |
| 13:21.33 | paul424 | Hello how do I find ogre 1 9 0 for the ogre wheezy ? |
| 13:21.40 | paul424 | I don't use debvian that's for my friend |
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| 13:22.34 | bullgard4 | HisaoNakai: Sounds as if your source is unreliable. I have no idea how to handle that. Except try another more reliable repository. |
| 13:22.44 | woffs | SirLagz: I try to roll out wheezy with xfce on our machines, and the people are unhappy with the (compared to gnome2+metacity+nautilus in squeeze) missing file thumbnails on their desktop |
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| 13:22.57 | HisaoNakai | bullgard4: Wha. I downloaded it from the official torrents? :o |
| 13:23.16 | SirLagz | woffs: i see |
| 13:23.39 | DammitJim | can someone point me to a good tutorial on how to create debian packages? |
| 13:23.40 | bullgard4 | HisaoNakai: Sorry. |
| 13:24.09 | DammitJim | I have been working with enlightenment and every time they upgrade efl it's a pain |
| 13:24.12 | paul424 | http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/libogre-1.9.0 it's in jessie , when it would be possible to install it on wheezy ? |
| 13:24.23 | DammitJim | I have some scripts, but I don't think they compare to doing proper packages for upgrading, uninstalling, etc |
| 13:24.34 | HisaoNakai | bullgard4: It isn't an architecture issue is it? o.o |
| 13:24.40 | DammitJim | plus they tell me I should be creating packages |
| 13:24.43 | DammitJim | for my distro |
| 13:24.59 | HisaoNakai | bullgard4: (I had to use failsafe mode to get Live mode running) |
| 13:25.41 | abrotman | again ... |
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| 13:26.20 | HisaoNakai | bullgard4: Also - not sure if related - I was getting an 'sudo: unable to resolve host <username>' each time I ran sudo, but things worked nonetheless... |
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| 13:26.26 | DammitJim | btw, if jhutchins is around... I gave up on that WEP/WAP thing... that laptop is not worth my time... at least not now. Thank you for the help yesterday |
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| 13:29.43 | paul424 | http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/libogre-1.9.0 it's in jessie , when it would be possible to install it on wheezy ? |
| 13:29.53 | SirLagz | paul424: yes. though you may break things |
| 13:30.06 | paul424 | When it's moved to wheezy , than k? ??? |
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| 13:32.31 | themill | paul424: why do you want that library in wheezy? |
| 13:32.37 | pzn | is there any filesystem that compresses old untouched files? tought about compressing files that are unused for >1month and uncompress daily used files. is there any filesystem for that? |
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| 13:34.05 | honestly | I just started thinking about release cycles. wheezy is going to be EOL in 2 years. what do I do then? |
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| 13:34.34 | themill | it will be longer than 2 years; upgrade to jessie |
| 13:34.51 | petn-randall | pzn: You would need a daemon for that, to detect "old" files and compress them. If you want transparent compression (e.g. not having a gz you need to decompress), btrfs does that, but is still considered experimental. |
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| 13:35.23 | petn-randall | honestly: The old stable is usually supported for a year after the release of stable. |
| 13:35.25 | pzn | petn-randall, I'd like transparent compression. most of HD is email storage in maildir |
| 13:35.54 | petn-randall | pzn: btrfs is the only FS I'm aware of that can do that. |
| 13:36.07 | DammitJim | yup, you just upgrade to the next stable |
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| 13:36.17 | DammitJim | hey, at least you don't have to do a fresh install like Red Hat requires you to |
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| 13:36.24 | DammitJim | and there is an upgrade path |
| 13:36.36 | honestly | petn-randall: so basically I have one year to do sed -i 's/wheezey/<newrelease>/g' /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 13:36.50 | honestly | and that's all I have to do? |
| 13:36.51 | DammitJim | anyways, what is a good tutorial that you have used to do deb packaging? |
| 13:37.02 | themill | dpkg: tell DammitJim about nmg |
| 13:37.22 | DammitJim | couldn't honestly have his sources.list set up to stable instead of wheezy? |
| 13:37.30 | themill | no |
| 13:37.36 | themill | dpkg: tell DammitJim about stable sources.list |
| 13:37.43 | themill | honestly: there's normally a little more to it than that but it's well documented in the release notes |
| 13:37.52 | pzn | petn-randall, better buy HDs and extend LVM... dont like to use experimental things for important storage |
| 13:37.55 | petn-randall | honestly: Well, basically. You still have to upgrade, and sometimes you have to adapt a few config files after that. |
| 13:38.18 | DammitJim | thanks for the clarification themill ... |
| 13:38.38 | honestly | petn-randall: yes, the aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade afterwards was implicit ;-) |
| 13:38.46 | DammitJim | the important point I take out of this is that if you have to upgrade, you need to review the release notes to make sure you aren't going to bork your system |
| 13:39.27 | petn-randall | If you put 'stable in your sources.list you'll get upgraded to the new release as soon as it's out. Not recommended for production environments, and if you install packages before upgrading, you and up with a mix of oldstable and stable, which is a quite broken setup. |
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| 13:42.33 | jhutchins | I can't believe people actually span volumes across devices with LVM. |
| 13:43.28 | something | do you mean physical volumes? |
| 13:43.30 | abrotman | luddite .. |
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| 13:44.24 | ChrisH | jhutchins: you mean LVM over several PVs? Thats one thing LVM is made for and I use it that way. |
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| 13:44.44 | omarek | Hi, I need to be able to restart some services on the server I have no root access to. I hear suid is insecure and often outright disabled. Is there a secure way to let me do this ? |
| 13:44.44 | something | ChrisH: that was my point too. |
| 13:44.53 | jhutchins | ChrisH: Doesn't the corruption bother you? |
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| 13:45.01 | abrotman | omarek: sudo is probably your best bet |
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| 13:45.18 | ChrisH | jhutchins: -v please. Never had corruption with LVM anywhere |
| 13:45.20 | abrotman | jhutchins: have you ever actually tried this? or are you just making stuff up again? |
| 13:45.57 | themill | ChrisH: don't bother... one of us is convinced that LVM wears horns, rides with the devil and inherently corrupts data all day long. |
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| 13:46.35 | ChrisH | themill: OK. I use LVM everywhere and allways. |
| 13:46.40 | themill | ditto |
| 13:46.48 | Aku506 | How much space should I reserve for / if I have /home in different partition? |
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| 13:50.27 | ChrisH | Aku506: if you use LVM and keep free space unallocated you can modify that when ever its needed. I normally use 10G for / |
| 13:50.52 | crane | can someone explain me why debian is using as a normal user loclahost.domain and as root the configured dns server in /etc/resolv.conf for dns queries? |
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| 13:51.43 | themill | crane: how are you testing this? |
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| 13:52.26 | yuremember | hello. i'm running xfce on sid, and my desktop disappeared. Instead, pictures of the minimized and closed programs remain on it. Any ideas what's going on? |
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| 13:52.49 | milestone | hi folks |
| 13:53.00 | milestone | i upgraded from squeeze to wheezy yesterday |
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| 13:53.09 | milestone | and now I have 2 interfaces with 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:53.14 | milestone | lo and venet0 |
| 13:53.19 | milestone | why is that? |
| 13:53.33 | milestone | above venet0 it says # Auto generated venet0 interfaces |
| 13:53.48 | oxodesign | hello,need some help, i did an update on php from 5.3.x to 5.4 on debian 6 and im using virtualmin on that server, and now nothing works, any suggestion? can I rollback somehow? |
| 13:54.01 | abrotman | oxodesign: how did you do that upgrade? |
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| 13:54.39 | crane | themill, i edit my /etc/resolv.conf to query one of my internalt servers. now i note that when i query with a normal user that he can't resolve my domain. but root instead is query my dns server. when i run a tcpdump to see what he is doing i see that he asks localhost.domain instead of my dns server which root is using |
| 13:54.45 | oxodesign | abrotman: using the dotdeb package, and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 13:54.57 | abrotman | dotdeb packages are notoriously broken |
| 13:55.15 | themill | crane: how do you make the query? |
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| 13:55.38 | crane | themill, host/dig $domain |
| 13:55.43 | oxodesign | abrotman: hmmm didnt know that but is it a way to fix that or rollback somehow, re install php 5.3? |
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| 13:56.05 | kubaaaaa | is it possible to have whole disk, including /boot, under LVM? does GRUB2 support it? |
| 13:56.07 | abrotman | oxodesign: remove all dotdeb packages, install php from squeeze again .. |
| 13:56.12 | themill | crane: do you have a ~/.digrc? |
| 13:56.14 | ChrisH | crane: and you show us /etc/resolv.conf and getent hosts host.domain as root and user using paste.debian.net |
| 13:56.34 | crane | themill, nope |
| 13:56.35 | bluesceada | hey what is the easiest way to find out if there are still packages from wheezy on my jessie system? |
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| 13:56.40 | crane | ChrisH, give me a sec :) |
| 13:56.42 | asterismo | hi people, is there any terminal based xmpp chat client with otr support? |
| 13:56.59 | kubaaaaa | asterismo: finch? |
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| 13:57.41 | asterismo | finch? is that the software? |
| 13:57.46 | oxodesign | do I dont need to remove current php version first abrotman? |
| 13:59.20 | abrotman | oxodesign: yes |
| 13:59.32 | abrotman | oxodesign: well, not strictly, but it will make it easier |
| 13:59.44 | kubaaaaa | asterismo: it's ncurses based libpurple client |
| 13:59.58 | crane | ChrisH, are you sure about getent hosts host.domain? it's not returning anything |
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| 14:00.02 | kubaaaaa | asterismo: libpurple ~= pidgin |
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| 14:00.14 | asterismo | great, i see it does not have OTR support out of the box |
| 14:00.35 | abrotman | asterismo: it might have a plugin, there's also centerim and bitlbee |
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| 14:01.05 | asterismo | which one is the best? |
| 14:01.08 | kubaaaaa | is it safe to have root on LVM? (wheezy) |
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| 14:01.25 | kubaaaaa | asterismo: go and compare it yourself |
| 14:01.35 | asterismo | best = more options, easy of use, out of the box OTR... |
| 14:01.40 | asterismo | ok |
| 14:01.49 | skribblezatcha | pidgin most definitely has otr support, you can get the otr plugin for it from repo. so if using synaptic..you can get it all in one swoop. |
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| 14:02.06 | skribblezatcha | it also has the XMPP protocol out of the box. i use jabber. |
| 14:02.21 | oxodesign | abrotman: how do I uninstall php (all of it)? |
| 14:02.21 | skribblezatcha | it supports video and voice as well asterismo. |
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| 14:02.30 | abrotman | how do you remove any package? |
| 14:02.31 | asterismo | i'm gonna judge them looking at the screenshots, dont have time to try all three, maybe some other time |
| 14:02.47 | skribblezatcha | pidgin for the win asterismo.;) |
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| 14:03.00 | asterismo | it has to be terminal based |
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| 14:03.33 | Aku506 | ChrisH: LVM looks bit complicated so maybe I just use bit more and hope best. |
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| 14:05.27 | crane | themill, ChrisH http://dpaste.com/1545192/ |
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| 14:07.21 | skribblezatcha | pidgin isnt terminal based. |
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| 14:07.28 | skribblezatcha | its gui. |
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| 14:09.18 | themill | crane: is network-manager involved or something? Nothing else is writing to /etc/resolv.conf? BTW I'd recommend getent hosts over host or dig to find out how programs are resolving names on your machine |
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| 14:09.45 | Myrtti | skribblezatcha: but finch, which uses libpurple just like pidgin does, is CLI. which is where the discussion started from. |
| 14:10.21 | skribblezatcha | do you think that they pidgin plugins would work with it though Myrtti? |
| 14:10.48 | Myrtti | pencilandpaper: no idea |
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| 14:11.17 | pencilandpaper | right, i feel you. |
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| 14:14.35 | kubaaaaa | anyone could tell me if it's possible to have /boot in LVM on BIOS+GPT system and also where to put bios_grub partition? |
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| 14:20.46 | Bijan-E | hid3, i was wondering if there is any already-existing tool to automate some routines works? for example, when start developing on some project, it run my favorite IDE, run some services (mysql, sendmail) and open a few terminal sessions in specific directories and do some stuff (which are predefined)?! |
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| 14:21.13 | rneese | hey guys |
| 14:21.16 | rneese | mornign |
| 14:21.20 | SirLagz | evening |
| 14:21.33 | rneese | I know pgsql 9.3 is in jessie |
| 14:21.35 | asterismo | kubaaaaa, maybe an XMPP terminal client similar to mutt or weechat? |
| 14:21.47 | rneese | but we want to try pgsql 9.3 on wheezy |
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| 14:21.54 | rneese | is there a repo |
| 14:21.58 | rneese | to use |
| 14:21.59 | pfote | rneese: apt.postgresql.org |
| 14:22.07 | ChrisH | crane: can you now say which line is unexpected? And I reallty ment eg. getent hosts www.heise.de |
| 14:22.13 | kubaaaaa | asterismo: maybe try ekg2 |
| 14:22.21 | kubaaaaa | asterismo: it's simillar to irssi |
| 14:22.27 | sgo11 | hi, can I ask what this command really does? "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1024 seek=544 count=128". thanks a lot. |
| 14:22.30 | kubaaaaa | asterismo: also, doesn't irssi support xmpp? |
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| 14:22.47 | rneese | ok |
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| 14:23.02 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 14:23.54 | Elvano | it dumps the data from the if=inputfile to the of=outputfile, sgo11 |
| 14:24.00 | lancelot_of | i've a dell bt mouse with usb receiver, it's correctly recognized both by hcitool scan and lsusb but it doesn't work on my wheezy system. Can't understand what's going wrong, can you help me? |
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| 14:24.13 | Bijan-E | sgo11, it puts zero (erase) 128Kb of your sdb hard drive starting the first 544Kb |
| 14:24.32 | rneese | is there not just a debian repo like backports |
| 14:24.38 | rneese | for 9.3 |
| 14:24.41 | abrotman | rneese: yes, backports |
| 14:25.26 | abrotman | rneese: you're also free to make your own |
| 14:25.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell rneese about ssb |
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| 14:26.10 | sgo11 | Bijan-E, thanks for the reply. a little bit unclear. what is the beginning and ending point does this command erase? thanks. |
| 14:26.27 | pfote | rneese: apt.postgresql.org is from the guys that maintain the deb packages anyway so its safe to use, and it offers more than backports. but suit yourself :-) |
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| 14:27.14 | rneese | ok |
| 14:27.41 | mrAZ | in which repo is multiarch-support for squeeze ? |
| 14:27.55 | Bijan-E | sgo11, i don't know :-/ |
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| 14:28.26 | sgo11 | Bijan-E, sorry about my English. I don't quite understand what you mean. does it erase 128Kb in total? |
| 14:28.54 | ChrisH | sgo11: from my understanding (please confirm with man dd) it sould start at 544*1024 Bytes behind the beginning of the disk and does erase 128x1024 bytes |
| 14:28.57 | jelly | mrAZ: there is no multiarch support for squeeze. |
| 14:29.18 | jelly | mrAZ: there're some ia32-libs* in the amd64 repo instead |
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| 14:29.29 | rneese | thanks |
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| 14:29.35 | rneese | off to do some testing |
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| 14:30.11 | sgo11 | ChrisH, thanks a lot. I don't really understand the manpage. that's why I am asking here. your explanation might be right. let me see... thanks. |
| 14:30.30 | mrAZ | jelly: i have that, bul libssl1 wants multiarch-support |
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| 14:31.08 | Elvano | I'm running Debian Wheezy, but I'd like to install steam which brings me to the unsatisfied dependancy of libc6 2.15 or higher. Is there any safe way I can install steam afterall? |
| 14:31.24 | jelly | mrAZ: why do you want to install libssl1.0.0? |
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| 14:31.39 | Walex | Elvano: yes. |
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| 14:31.51 | av0idz | Elvano - i dont know if its save, you need to add experimental to your apt-sources.list |
| 14:31.55 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell Elvano about steam |
| 14:32.03 | av0idz | :) |
| 14:32.07 | mrAZ | jelly: i have package requiring this |
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| 14:32.48 | jelly | mrAZ: which one? |
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| 14:33.02 | jelly | mrAZ: is it closed or open source? |
| 14:33.31 | sgo11 | ChrisH, I read the dd manpage again. I think you are right. thanks. |
| 14:33.37 | Elvano | I've been told a thousand times I'm not suposed to mix repos, ChrisH , av0idz o-o |
| 14:34.06 | afidegnum | hi, please I am trying to upload DB to a remote shared hosting server DB.... there is a limit of "mysql has gone away error" please how do I sucessfully upload a DB worth of 150M to that server without a problem? |
| 14:34.09 | av0idz | true story Elvano but if you want to get steam running, either use experimental or do it the mkixing way |
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| 14:34.46 | av0idz | afidegnum scp if you got shell access there |
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| 14:35.11 | ChrisH | Elvano: If you need that, go to testing. |
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| 14:35.18 | lancelot_of | no answers for me? |
| 14:35.41 | afidegnum | av0idz: but if I use scp it will upload the database file to their remote server, but I can't pick it up there. |
| 14:36.02 | afidegnum | it's hostgator serever which doesn'thave SSH facility or the user havn't got it |
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| 14:36.09 | ChrisH | afidegnum: rsync via ssh ? |
| 14:36.11 | afidegnum | I need to upload data to the db straight away |
| 14:36.18 | av0idz | lancelot_of plug out the stick run dmesg plug in the stick run dmesg |
| 14:36.18 | ChrisH | afidegnum: man split |
| 14:36.35 | panorain | what do you guys do about open suse? |
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| 14:36.37 | lancelot_of | av0idz, the dongle is perfectly recognized |
| 14:36.54 | av0idz | why not afidegnum there is this neaty command called sqldump |
| 14:37.22 | afidegnum | sqldump? |
| 14:37.25 | afidegnum | I am using mysqldump |
| 14:37.29 | av0idz | lancelot_of you get no errors or a failed firmware or smthn in dmesg ? |
| 14:37.43 | pfote | afidegnum: can you stop/start the mysql server? |
| 14:37.47 | av0idz | sry i meant mysqldump afidegnum |
| 14:38.15 | lancelot_of | av0idz, i don't |
| 14:38.34 | jhutchins | afidegnum: It's not clear what your problem actually is. |
| 14:38.35 | afidegnum | pfote: I can't do it at the remote hosting server, |
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| 14:38.47 | jhutchins | afidegnum: Are you unable to post the file to the server? |
| 14:39.14 | afidegnum | jhutchins: Mysql Has Gone Away error, which write only a small chunk of data... but I am looking for a progressive way to upload the datbase to mysql server straigh away |
| 14:39.15 | jhutchins | afidegnum: Are you trying to load the data to the mysql server remotely:? |
| 14:39.27 | av0idz | as its an bt mouse lancelot_of sure your paired the stick and the mouse ? |
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| 14:40.20 | pfote | afidegnum: without stop/start it gets tricky .. i would have suggeste that you upload the raw database files. |
| 14:40.24 | jhutchins | afidegnum: I'm sorry, your English is just broken enough that you are not telling us what's happening. |
| 14:40.33 | lancelot_of | av0idz, it seems to be so, but probably that's the problem, the pairing starts but the mouse doesn't work even after pairing ending |
| 14:40.43 | lancelot_of | the batteries are ok |
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| 14:41.01 | lancelot_of | it stopped working after upgrading from squeeze to wheeze |
| 14:41.06 | lancelot_of | wheezy |
| 14:41.16 | av0idz | lancelot_of have you used the mouse on another system recently and got it working ? sry need to ask |
| 14:41.22 | av0idz | ok |
| 14:41.22 | jhutchins | afidegnum: Are you transferring the dump file to the remote server then importing it, or are you trying to import it over the network directly to the mysql server? |
| 14:41.29 | jhutchins | !it |
| 14:41.29 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:41.47 | pfote | jhutchins: he has no shell on the server |
| 14:41.49 | afidegnum | jhutchins: I am transferring the dump to remote server using mysqldump |
| 14:42.03 | jhutchins | afidegnum: mysqldump does not transfer files. |
| 14:42.35 | av0idz | lancelot_of you can try to make a backup of your xorg.conf and the run a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:42.57 | jhutchins | afidegnum: What is the command or series of commands you are using? |
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| 14:43.14 | av0idz | then stop and restart the gdm3 |
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| 14:43.30 | av0idz | server |
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| 14:44.23 | afidegnum | jhutchins: mysqldump -u myuer--password=mypass--opt --compress dtc_fivd6 | mysql -h '22.24.33.103' -u sider_five -p sider_five -q max_allowed_packet=64 --skip-extended-insert |
| 14:44.49 | lancelot_of | av0idz, no xorg.conf file |
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| 14:45.44 | lancelot_of | av0idz, after dpkg restart xsession? |
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| 14:46.01 | av0idz | lancelot_of /etc/X11/xorg.conf non existent ? |
| 14:46.18 | av0idz | probably you should create one :) |
| 14:46.21 | lancelot_of | av0idz, no of course |
| 14:46.35 | av0idz | as im here on a fresh install of wheezy i do have an xorg.conf |
| 14:46.56 | francesco- | Hello you all. I am interested in installing a Debian version of Linux. I have an old PC, so I am interested in a "lightweight" version. I have installed at the moment Debian with LXDE. Any other suggestion? |
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| 14:48.43 | petn-randall | sgo11: It overwrite a portion of your second hard drive with zeroes. |
| 14:49.15 | petn-randall | woops, was reading backlog, it was already answered. Sorry. |
| 14:49.44 | rneese | for those of you writing scripts and want to check them |
| 14:49.49 | rneese | I like this tool |
| 14:49.52 | rneese | http://www.shellcheck.net/# |
| 14:50.00 | rneese | its a nice helper |
| 14:50.13 | petn-randall | francesco-: xfce is also nice. You don't like LXDE? |
| 14:50.23 | lancelot_of | av0idz, created xorg.conf, done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and also xserver-xorg-input-mouse but nothing |
| 14:50.39 | hardy_magnus | i also think xfce is gud. |
| 14:50.41 | lancelot_of | do i have to re-pair, re- scan hcitool, restart xsession?? |
| 14:50.43 | rneese | icewm is also |
| 14:50.55 | rneese | if you want the 95/98/m3/nt look |
| 14:50.58 | sgo11 | petn-randall, yeah. I would like to know how much it overwrites. I am still unsure the answer. Does it start at 544*1024 bytes and erase 128x1024 bytes OR start at 544*512 Bytes and erase 128x512 bytes? ChrisH said *1024 bytes. I think it might be *512 bytes. thanks. |
| 14:51.02 | rneese | m3/me |
| 14:51.07 | francesco- | petn-randall: it's not that I don't like LXDE. The point is that I didn't experience the same thing with an older version of Ubuntu that I have. :D I was simply looking for other solutions. :) |
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| 14:52.39 | petn-randall | sgo11: You declared the bite size as 1024, 512 is nowhere in the equation. |
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| 14:52.54 | petn-randall | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1024 seek=544 count=128 |
| 14:53.48 | sgo11 | petn-randall, in the manpage, it says "skip BLOCKS obs-sized blocks at start of output" and "obs=BYTES write BYTES bytes at a time (default: 512)". I didn't set the argument "obs". |
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| 14:54.22 | omarek | Hey, how do permissions and 'kill' command interact ? A server can be restarted by sending it certain signals. Can it be configured to work even if I don't have root access ? In a Secure manner ? |
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| 14:54.44 | frostschutz | sgo11, bs= sets ibs= obs= |
| 14:55.00 | petn-randall | ^^ bs=1024 sets the ibs and obs to 1024, so at offset 544*1024 it will overwrite 128*1024 bytes with zeroes. |
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| 14:55.11 | sgo11 | frostschutz, thanks a lot. the man page does not mention that. |
| 14:55.11 | jhutchins | omarek: You can configure sudo to allow a specific user (or all users) to issue a specific command as root, that command being the one to restart the server. |
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| 14:55.15 | francesco- | P.S. What kind of lightweight torrent do you feel to suggest me? |
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| 14:55.38 | sgo11 | petn-randall, thanks a lot. :) finally, I understood fully. |
| 14:55.44 | frostschutz | sgo11, mine does (says read and write up to, whereas ibs says read, obs says write) |
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| 14:55.57 | petn-randall | francesco-: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/bt-cd/debian-7.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent |
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| 14:56.17 | crane | ChrisH, themill i found it... wrong permissions on /etc/resolv.conf thx for helping me :) |
| 14:56.46 | av0idz | hm thats weird lancelot_of i cant think of anything else what you should try as it seems there is no error |
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| 14:56.53 | av0idz | just digged that thread from ubuntu |
| 14:56.55 | av0idz | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=856797 |
| 14:56.57 | jhutchins | afidegnum: Do you have any way of transferring files to the remote server? ftp/scp/file share? |
| 14:56.58 | av0idz | maybe it fits you |
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| 14:57.11 | afidegnum | jhutchins: i am using mysql dump only |
| 14:57.26 | afidegnum | for the files, I m using ftp, sftp or scp |
| 14:57.30 | jhutchins | Yes, and that's not working, because it's loosing the connection or something. |
| 14:57.41 | waqstar | I am running a lengthy dd command, how can I monitor the progress of it? |
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| 14:57.57 | sgo11 | frostschutz, that's right. mine does too. but those words are a bit vague and my english is very bad. :) thanks. |
| 14:58.00 | jhutchins | afidegnum: I would suggest that you dump to a file, transfer the file, then load the dump locally. |
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| 14:59.10 | francesco- | q |
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| 15:00.20 | ChrisH | omarek: you (sender of the kill process) must either be root or the user the server is running as |
| 15:00.20 | Syntaxerror | Hi! I have an old webserver running "Lenny". What do I have to look out when doing dist-upgrade? How can I check for incompatibilitys beforehand? |
| 15:00.41 | omarek | Back to square one. Thanks. |
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| 15:02.14 | ChrisH | Syntaxerror: Lenny -> squeeze -> wheezy ... one Release per upgrade. You might want to check the time needed to those upgrades vs. the time needed to do a fresh installation. |
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| 15:03.17 | Syntaxerror | "Fresh install" is barely possible. I didn't install the machine and there's an ISP Hosting Panel running on the machine with different sites. The Server handles 5 websites in total |
| 15:03.34 | Syntaxerror | How can I do a rollback of something breaks? |
| 15:03.45 | ChrisH | Syntaxerror: reover from backup |
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| 15:04.30 | ChrisH | Syntaxerror: cannot be an important or public accessible server if its still running lenny |
| 15:04.33 | Syntaxerror | Server is in a serverfarm in Luxemburg while I'm in Germany... My centermanagement probably has backups |
| 15:04.54 | Syntaxerror | important for a few private people :) |
| 15:05.21 | ChrisH | Syntaxerror: if you are in Trier, then Luxemburg city is not far away... if you are eg in Hamburg its different. |
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| 15:05.44 | woffs | petn-randall, SirLagz, cherry-picking the thumbnails-relevant patches into xfdesktop 4.8 worked! apparently! maybe dirty and buggy, but thumbnails show up |
| 15:06.00 | ChrisH | Read the releasenotes! one release per step! Upgrade lenny to max before starting at all |
| 15:06.02 | honestly | Syntaxerror: if it's managed hosting why hasn't the provider kept it up to date for you? |
| 15:06.26 | Syntaxerror | they only look after the machine. Not what's running on them |
| 15:06.27 | honestly | if it's not managed hosting, why is there an isp panel? |
| 15:06.36 | hardy_magnus | friends im not able to run tor on my machine which is doped with 7.1. |
| 15:06.58 | ChrisH | Syntaxerror: ask the bost starting with /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 15:07.20 | tahlia-devg | hello, i wanted to know on a USB bootable install of Debian; where the vmlinuz,initrd.gz is stored on a FAT32 partition.. if it's possible to update that? I tried upgrading from kernel 2.6 to wheezy but i'm getting an error of initramfs failed.. do i just replace the files from the Debian ISO? |
| 15:07.44 | ChrisH | Syntaxerror: as it does not sound like you business is no longer working if the box fails. Its up to you starting the upgrade procedure. |
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| 15:08.44 | Syntaxerror | It's a private server. Non-business. But I had a leak and need to protect the system through updates |
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| 15:09.23 | mrAZ | jelly: OS - yes, private company package, but its bit complicated and i build static binary to test. Anyway - problem solved, thanks for help. |
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| 15:10.09 | ChrisH | Syntaxerror: a leak is not unexpected with a system out of securoity support for a long time. |
| 15:10.21 | jelly | mrAZ: right. You'll need to rebuild every time there's a bug in openssl, but hey, at least it work |
| 15:10.25 | jelly | s |
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| 15:12.07 | woffs | Syntaxerror: sometimes I prefer installing a new machine from scratch and migrating the services from old machine to new machine |
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| 15:13.11 | Syntaxerror | ChrisH: dpkg tells me to update from lenny to queeze not through apt-get dist-upgrade but through apt-get install linux-image-<someregexanduname>. Why? Would dist-upgrade try to switch directly to the latest dist? |
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| 15:13.51 | Syntaxerror | woffs: Don't really have enough insight for that :S neither into debian specifically or the services running on the server |
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| 15:15.38 | caraconan | Hi there. I don't understand this package conflict: http://paste.debian.net/75440/ Can somebody please seed some light? Thanks |
| 15:16.14 | caraconan | As far as I can see cgroup-bin is NOT a dependency of lxc |
| 15:16.23 | ChrisH | Syntaxerror: read more carefully! it does recommend to upgrade and then install a kernel. IIRC there is an explanation in the release notes. Release must be checked |
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| 15:18.25 | Syntaxerror | I see I have to read much more before I can attempt the upgrade.. |
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| 15:20.25 | whirli | Hey guys, is it just me or is there something from the ever evil flash plugin? Or is it something to do with my intel driver? |
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| 15:21.23 | whirli | umm shouldnt listen to anything while you write.. from = wrong with |
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| 15:21.35 | whirli | it seems to eat huge chunk of cpu |
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| 15:23.10 | Syntaxerror | What ist it executing? |
| 15:23.18 | Syntaxerror | s/ist/is |
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| 15:23.59 | whirli | you mean flash? |
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| 15:24.12 | Syntaxerror | yes |
| 15:24.18 | jhutchins | whirli: Yes, flash uses lots of CPU. |
| 15:24.44 | whirli | it might be something to do with iceweasel as well actually. I just switched to html5 player on youtube and iceweasel suddenly eats 60% of my cpu. |
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| 15:25.16 | Syntaxerror | video-rendering is hard work |
| 15:25.36 | Syntaxerror | seems like the CPU is rendering it, not the GPU |
| 15:25.53 | whirli | it didnt use to be like this |
| 15:26.23 | jhutchins | whirli: Were you watching the same video? |
| 15:26.46 | ctmjr | caraconan: since your running testing you might ask in debian-next on oftc or wait a few days and see if it gets fixed |
| 15:26.51 | whirli | yeb and it seems to be the same with every flash video on different sites |
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| 15:27.38 | caraconan | ctmjr: but with the current information it's true that is not the expected behaviour? Just asking to understand better how dependencies works |
| 15:27.44 | caraconan | Thanks btw |
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| 15:29.06 | jhutchins | caraconan: Because testing is not a completed release there are often packages that are not in sync and package groups that have not been completely updated. |
| 15:29.47 | caraconan | Ok, thanks |
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| 15:35.56 | babinlonston | Planning to Install Debian, Is it same commands what I'm using in Ubuntu ? Or will be different in Debian ? |
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| 15:36.05 | Syntaxerror | How can a machine with 2 CPUs use 9999% CPU? |
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| 15:37.02 | SPF | Syntaxerror: it's because of multiple threads per core |
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| 15:37.21 | Syntaxerror | even then... 5 threads epr core? |
| 15:37.33 | SPF | if you start top, and press 1, you can see an overview |
| 15:37.34 | Syntaxerror | CPU-view in top shows only CPU0 and CPU1 |
| 15:37.40 | SPF | but indeed 9999 is a bit overkill |
| 15:37.51 | mtn | babinlonston: most will be the same, what are you referring to exactly? |
| 15:38.11 | Syntaxerror | what could be /tmp/dev? |
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| 15:38.29 | babinlonston | Working in Ubuntu, RHEL and Centos need to learn Debain too so what asking |
| 15:38.53 | SPF | Syntaxerror: where do you see 9999% ? in top? |
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| 15:39.22 | Syntaxerror | yes, in top |
| 15:39.27 | mtn | babinlonston: main difference is that debian has a different package manager |
| 15:39.48 | mtn | babinlonston: than rhel and centos, but same as ubuntu. |
| 15:39.52 | babinlonston | mtn: oh ok |
| 15:40.33 | SPF | Syntaxerror: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/procps/+bug/531310 |
| 15:40.47 | mtn | babinlonston: all linux distros use a lot of simialr commands, with a few exceptions |
| 15:41.19 | babinlonston | ya |
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| 15:41.30 | babinlonston | mtn: thanks mate |
| 15:41.38 | mtn | babinlonston: you're welcome |
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| 15:48.38 | petn-randall | woffs: Congrats :) |
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| 15:56.59 | oxodesign | hi i have a problem, updated php to version 5.4 on debian 6 but when I try to load my page instead of executing the php the server output it as it is to the browser, I then removed php 5.4 and installed the supported one 5.3 but still same problem, any idea? Need help |
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| 15:58.07 | wols | oxodesign: let me guess, dotdeb? |
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| 16:00.24 | Walex | oxodesign: that's not a problem, that is a fact. Your problem is that you haven't configured Apache2 right to use PHP as a processor. |
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| 16:02.07 | lord_rob | Hi! Anyone knows the inaDyn dynamic DNS updating program ? I cannot start it as a daemon (disabled by default). Here's my config file and the output I get http://paste.debian.net/75453/ |
| 16:02.28 | jhutchins | a2enmod? |
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| 16:07.25 | rozie | lord_rob: why don't you use ddclient? |
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| 16:08.16 | rozie | BTW daemon is usually overkill in such task. I just run it from cron |
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| 16:08.41 | use_zfs_yo | lord_rob: try update_period instead of period |
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| 16:10.15 | rozie | lord_rob: and it seems that you entered the config in /etc/default/... file |
| 16:10.19 | rozie | not in /etc/inadyn.conf |
| 16:10.27 | lord_rob | I'm just looking for a automatic DNS updater client, no matter its name, as my router supports only DynDNS which is not free |
| 16:10.38 | rozie | lord_rob: use ddclient |
| 16:10.54 | rozie | if you use no-ip.biz provider, I can help you with exact config |
| 16:11.01 | lord_rob | rozie: I just installed the debian package |
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| 16:11.19 | oxodesign | walex |
| 16:11.27 | oxodesign | how do I do that? |
| 16:12.22 | Walex | oxodesign: with MIME types and a 'AddHandler' directive. With Debian probably there is a configuration item in the 'debconf' dialogs for the Apache2 config |
| 16:12.28 | zophy | i just executed "sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-dev:i386" and it removed a lot of 64 bit dev packcages and gcc and gcc and g++ from my system |
| 16:12.44 | zophy | why did it do that ? |
| 16:13.13 | Walex | oxodesign: look for example at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6295141/server-not-parsing-html-as-php |
| 16:13.31 | rozie | lord_rob: so which provider do you use? |
| 16:13.44 | zophy | poof, gone |
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| 16:13.56 | Walex | zophy: that is sometimes a bit of a mistery. You can ask APT to tell you why, or use Aptitude. Often useful to 'apt-get -s' before doing it for real. |
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| 16:15.24 | Walex | oxodesign: also read carefully https://wiki.debian.org/Apache/WheezyMimeTypes |
| 16:16.19 | jhutchins | zophy: Also, you might want to start using aptitude, which will give you multiple solutions to problems like that and allow you to reject them before it removes stuff. |
| 16:17.15 | zophy | jhutchins, eh, it's the first time i've attempted to use Multi Arch, thanks |
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| 16:17.43 | jhutchins | zophy: multi-arch is a work in progress. |
| 16:17.58 | lord_rob | rozie: I've just installed ddclient, I'm using no-ip.com free account (not in the list) |
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| 16:24.27 | rozie | lord_rob: right now must leave, read this |
| 16:24.28 | rozie | http://machine-cycle.blogspot.com/2010/11/update-no-ipcom-and-dyndnscom-dynamic.html |
| 16:24.32 | rozie | bbl |
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| 16:28.34 | txomon | hi, I am having tons of issues trying to create a bootable sd card image |
| 16:28.42 | txomon | I am trying with the live cd image |
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| 16:28.47 | txomon | which is supposed to be hybrid |
| 16:28.54 | txomon | but I don't get it working |
| 16:29.05 | txomon | anyone has ever achieved that? |
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| 16:29.14 | Diehard | txomon: yes |
| 16:29.20 | txomon | Diehard: how? |
| 16:29.30 | txomon | because simple dd isn't working |
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| 16:29.43 | Diehard | txomon: I can do it in windows :> :D |
| 16:30.02 | txomon | but to sd card? |
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| 16:30.07 | txomon | how do you do that? |
| 16:31.34 | Diehard | txomon: if you want to make bootable sd card put dos/win95 boot files there with hp tool |
| 16:32.00 | txomon | I am on debian ;) |
| 16:32.30 | Diehard | txomon: https://www.olimex.com/wiki/Build_Bootable_SD_Card_with_Debian |
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| 16:35.07 | txomon | Diehard: that's for a board... |
| 16:35.12 | txomon | he is creating two partitions |
| 16:35.19 | txomon | one FAT and another ext3 |
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| 16:35.51 | sKeiths | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallOnSDcardOrUsbStick |
| 16:36.28 | sKeiths | is that closer to your architecture |
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| 16:37.31 | oxodesign | Walex: I checked my configuration and everthing looks okey! |
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| 16:43.11 | txomon | sKeiths: ty! |
| 16:43.43 | txomon | sKeiths: I want to install FROM SD card! |
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| 16:44.13 | mtn | txomon: did the dd fail with an error? |
| 16:44.19 | txomon | mtn |
| 16:44.21 | txomon | nope |
| 16:44.31 | mtn | txomon: then did it just fail to boot? |
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| 16:45.23 | txomon | mtn: it failed to recognise the partition |
| 16:45.24 | txomon | I am trying once more |
| 16:45.38 | txomon | as I have done dd in another partition, and it's working OK now |
| 16:45.39 | mtn | txomon: what failed to see the partition? |
| 16:45.45 | tahlia-devg | Does anyone know where I can download the vmlinuz and initrd.gz wheezy files; i would like to put it onto a bootable usb |
| 16:45.47 | txomon | gparted |
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| 16:46.02 | txomon | was tagging the SD with an unknown partition |
| 16:46.03 | mtn | txomon: what does that do with creating a bootable sd with dd? |
| 16:46.04 | tahlia-devg | I've find a webboot.. but I'm not sure if that's the correct version |
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| 16:46.26 | txomon | mtn: that a bootable sd should be openable |
| 16:46.35 | txomon | from de filesystem, shouldn't it? |
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| 16:46.49 | mtn | txomon: dd writes the iso to the entire device, does not use any partitions |
| 16:48.05 | somiaj | tahlia-devg: you know the debian .iso images can be cp or dd onto a usbstick and boot just fine? |
| 16:48.43 | tahlia-devg | somiaj: I'm downloading that now :) I wanted to know if there is a direct download for it. My Internet is a tad slow atm. |
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| 16:48.53 | bullgard4_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.02 | txomon | mtn: does it? |
| 16:49.09 | txomon | I thought it was a partition |
| 16:49.25 | somiaj | tahlia-devg: there is, and there is also the netinstall image which are the smallest download. They contain a fully functional base system but then need the net to install additional packages |
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| 16:49.46 | mtn | txomon: yes, that is how it is supposed to be created. all the guides say to use of=/dev/sdb, for instance, if your device is sdb |
| 16:49.59 | mtn | txomon: not /dev/sdb1 |
| 16:50.31 | txomon | mtn: yeah, but /dev/mmcblk0 wasn't (And isn't working for me) |
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| 16:50.52 | tahlia-devg | somiaj: I see, thanks again. |
| 16:51.09 | mtn | txomon: please explain "isn't working". you have yet to explain your actual problem ;) |
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| 16:51.28 | txomon | I am unable to mount the partition |
| 16:51.30 | txomon | the sd |
| 16:51.52 | mtn | txomon: why do you need to mount it? usually you create it and then boot from it. what are you really trying to do? |
| 16:54.11 | txomon | mtn: I had the idea that the SD could be booted once flashed |
| 16:54.15 | txomon | but seems not |
| 16:54.18 | txomon | and it's working now |
| 16:54.43 | txomon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:54.59 | mtn | txomon: working now? very good |
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| 16:57.17 | txomon | mtn: yeah |
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| 16:57.26 | txomon | I think that should be addressed somewhere |
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| 17:05.35 | ggoes | I have a kernel that I have compiled on a server not running Debian. Is there a way to run make-kpkg on this directory without it trying to recompile it locally? |
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| 17:06.07 | txomon | ggoes: don't use make-kpkg |
| 17:06.11 | txomon | use make deb instead |
| 17:06.24 | petn-randall | ggoes: If it's already been compiled, make will notice and not do it again. |
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| 17:06.52 | petn-randall | ggoes: Ah yeah, use 'make debpkg' |
| 17:07.06 | skiddex | has anyone here successfully run glastopf in debian? - having lots errors trying to install on rasbian wheezy |
| 17:07.07 | txomon | true xD |
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| 17:07.26 | petn-randall | !raspbian |
| 17:07.26 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 17:07.33 | petn-randall | skiddex: ^^^ |
| 17:07.37 | skiddex | raspbian, sri |
| 17:08.10 | skiddex | yep i have but just wanted to ask about glastopf mainly |
| 17:09.02 | ggoes | petn-randall: Is "make debpkg" a make option in the vanilla Linux source? It doesn't seem to be. |
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| 17:11.00 | ggoes | petn-randall: Nevermind. It turns out the option is "make deb-pkg" |
| 17:11.24 | ggoes | Thanks for your help. |
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| 17:18.49 | txomon | I forgot to select Graphical install |
| 17:19.11 | txomon | because that menu entry sound like "Install with GUI" to me |
| 17:19.11 | txomon | TT |
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| 17:19.27 | txomon | gnome-desktop was the main packet for gnome? |
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| 17:19.52 | txomon | or task-gnome-desktop? |
| 17:20.27 | txomon | yeah |
| 17:20.32 | txomon | seems to be task-gnome-desktop |
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| 17:22.09 | txomon | can anyone confirm that? |
| 17:22.17 | txomon | just to be sure |
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| 17:36.33 | V160D05D | Hi all. Does anyone have any experience of working with svgalib on debian 7? I compiled simple c++ programm to draw pixel (vga_draw_pixel(10,10);), and there are no errors at compile time or runtime, but it isnt work - i can't see my pbxel ^( |
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| 17:38.31 | gnat_x | hi folks, trying to get gstreamer and xpra playing together. there is a test utility in python that is choking on "ImportError: No module named pygst". i'm having trouble figuring out what package contains that python lib. |
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| 17:39.14 | gnat_x | ahh. nm. |
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| 17:39.46 | gnat_x | one of those formulating the question seems to kicked my brain into searching properly. |
| 17:40.49 | petn-randall | gnat_x: Glad we could help ;D |
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| 18:13.25 | av0idz | can someone tell me where i can modify the gnome terminals default "open link" behavior |
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| 18:20.59 | _habnabit | i'm trying to run apt-get upgrade from a vagrant provision script, which is run not in a pty. the upgrade tries to pop up a dialog box to ask where to install grub bootloaders.. is there a way to configure this if there's no pty, or just ignore the package update? |
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| 18:24.29 | DelphiWorld | hi guys |
| 18:25.42 | DelphiWorld | i'm setting up wheezy |
| 18:25.45 | DelphiWorld | on a MSI main board |
| 18:26.01 | DelphiWorld | but is complaining about a rtl firmware missing |
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| 18:26.11 | DelphiWorld | what package i should download to my flash? |
| 18:26.23 | DelphiWorld | i downloaded one but still not accepted |
| 18:26.31 | DelphiWorld | the nic is rtl8168 |
| 18:26.35 | DelphiWorld | E |
| 18:26.46 | zinx | it doesn't tell you when it complains? |
| 18:27.09 | zinx | apt-cache search seems to think you want firmware-realtek |
| 18:27.13 | DelphiWorld | zinx: no |
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| 18:27.30 | DelphiWorld | zinx: but i'm setting it up no aptcach |
| 18:28.08 | DelphiWorld | filename: firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all |
| 18:28.11 | jordanm | !tell DelphiWorld about rtl8168 |
| 18:28.20 | jordanm | !tell DelphiWorld about installer firmware |
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| 18:29.43 | DelphiWorld | jordanm: i did add the file but its not accepted |
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| 18:30.31 | gnat_x | i am working on something that interacts with network manager. i know that adding things to /etc/network/interfaces will override network manager control. am i correct in assuming that that i can pop a file into /etc/networks/interfaces.d/ and take control of an interface away from network-manager (possibly after restarting the service) ? |
| 18:30.48 | libpenguin | how to save packages recursively locally when they are being downloaded for installation. for example - sudo apt-get install package | command or script to save packages locally |
| 18:31.02 | DelphiWorld | jordanm: should i suply the fw file or the deb package? |
| 18:31.47 | woffs | libpenguin: look into /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 18:31.55 | gnat_x | my goal is to move away from nm dependence, and also provide a way to work around it without making permanent and hard to reverse changes. temprorarily adding/ removing the interface from nm's control seems like it might work. |
| 18:32.18 | libpenguin | woffs: yeah but I want to create a local mirror of the packages I install |
| 18:32.31 | woffs | libpenguin: apt-cacher |
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| 18:33.04 | libpenguin | woffs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Apt-Cacher-Server it looks very complex, any other way like a command or script ? |
| 18:33.19 | woffs | libpenguin: apt-cacher is VERY easy. |
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| 18:33.27 | libpenguin | woffs: guide plz |
| 18:33.42 | woffs | libpenguin: apt-get install apt-cacher |
| 18:33.46 | libpenguin | ok |
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| 18:34.09 | woffs | libpenguin: echo 'Acquire::http::Proxy "http://localhost:3142/";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 18:34.35 | libpenguin | why this 3142 port ? |
| 18:35.04 | woffs | libpenguin: it is where apt-cacher listens |
| 18:35.09 | libpenguin | ok |
| 18:35.15 | jelly-home | because it's 14 above 3128! |
| 18:35.42 | libpenguin | then woffs |
| 18:36.07 | libpenguin | after echo ? |
| 18:36.19 | woffs | libpenguin: be happy :-) |
| 18:36.26 | DammitJim | is there another tool besides screen to select, copy and paste text? |
| 18:36.29 | DammitJim | on a terminal? |
| 18:36.32 | DammitJim | w/o a mouse? |
| 18:36.51 | buu | tmux |
| 18:36.57 | woffs | :-) |
| 18:37.03 | DammitJim | ty |
| 18:37.14 | libpenguin | woffs: if I'm on a new machine or reinstalling then also it will work or not ? |
| 18:38.18 | woffs | libpenguin: what is your goal? |
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| 18:40.43 | woffs | libpenguin: what du you want to do with the mirrored package files? |
| 18:40.44 | libpenguin | woffs: to create a local mirror like for now I wanna install apt-cacher and it says 27 newly installed for 4,298 kB so it should be such that it is installed but at the same time it is also saved like a local mirror just like on the parent server |
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| 18:41.26 | libpenguin | so it will be a local limited backup mirror for me |
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| 18:42.15 | woffs | libpenguin: to speed up things? |
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| 18:42.44 | libpenguin | yes and also to create a local mirror and hence save bandwidth |
| 18:43.11 | woffs | libpenguin: bandwidth when doing what? |
| 18:43.25 | libpenguin | installation of apps |
| 18:43.41 | libpenguin | I have a slow connection with limited bandwidth |
| 18:43.46 | woffs | libpenguin: on the same machine or on a bunch of machines? |
| 18:44.01 | libpenguin | 2mbps connection with 2.5gb monthly bandwidth package |
| 18:44.11 | libpenguin | bunch of machines |
| 18:44.50 | woffs | libpenguin: well, you should have a apt-cacher running somewhere in your net and point all debian machines to that apt-cacher machine via "'Acquire::http::Proxy" |
| 18:45.23 | libpenguin | I'm afraid if the apt-cacher machine crashes then it will be lot of works |
| 18:45.37 | libpenguin | a simple mirror looks very promising |
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| 18:46.54 | woffs | libpenguin: apt-cacher is just the most simple approach. |
| 18:47.02 | libpenguin | woffs: ok |
| 18:47.33 | woffs | libpenguin: you could also sync /var/cache/apt/archives/ by hand between the machines, i have not tried that |
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| 18:48.01 | libpenguin | woffs: but again for my own peace, sudo apt-get install package | command or script to save it at the same time, is it possible or not ? |
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| 18:50.08 | woffs | libpenguin: I don't understand your question, for the package is just saved in /var/cache/apt/archives/ by apt-get |
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| 18:51.46 | libpenguin | woffs: I mean for example if I'm installing flashplugin-installer package then it will be good if it also saved locally while installation like /local/canonical/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/ |
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| 18:52.38 | libpenguin | it will be a local mirror and only one line to be added in sources.list is needed, thats all |
| 18:52.52 | woffs | if you want to build a own repository, try reprepro |
| 18:53.14 | libpenguin | !repreprp |
| 18:53.18 | libpenguin | !reprepro |
| 18:53.19 | dpkg | reprepro (formerly mirrorer) is a tool to produce, manage and sync a local repository of Debian packages. See /usr/share/doc/reprepro/short-howto.gz after package installation to set up a repository. Alternatively, ask me about <dpkg-scanpackages>. |
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| 18:54.00 | woffs | (but, for your setting, with apt-cacher, you do not even have to add a line in sources.list) |
| 18:54.04 | libpenguin | !dpkg-scanpackages |
| 18:54.04 | dpkg | well, dpkg-scanpackages is a tool to make your own repository for apt: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] Add a deb line to your /etc/apt/sources.list: "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./" or "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./". Alternatively, ask me about <reprepro>. |
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| 18:55.37 | b3h3m0th | aptitude package installer purged my display manager while installing some package ( I did now notice that the solution to the dependancy clash was to purge gdm3). Now, on a live debian wheezy pendrive. Need help |
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| 18:56.21 | woffs | heading home now |
| 18:56.22 | libpenguin | woffs: I dont know but I'll try all, thnx for your time |
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| 18:56.29 | woffs | libpenguin: welcome |
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| 18:56.44 | libpenguin | woffs: are you leaving now ? |
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| 18:58.40 | b3h3m0th | can I get some help here ? |
| 18:58.45 | b3h3m0th | aptitude package installer purged my display manager while installing some package ( I did now notice that the solution to the dependancy clash was to purge gdm3). Now, on a live debian wheezy pendrive. Need help |
| 18:59.28 | woffs | b3h3m0th: what about apt-get install gdm3? or lightdm? or slim? or xdm? sorry, have to leave now |
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| 19:00.00 | b3h3m0th | I can't just do apt-get install gdm3 due to dependancy problem :( |
| 19:00.28 | b3h3m0th | gdm3 : Depends: accountsservice (>= 0.6.12) but it is not going to be installed Depends: dconf-tools (>= 0.12.1-2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:00.33 | woffs | b3h3m0th: try aptitude instead of apt-get, it sometimes finds other solutions |
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| 19:01.00 | woffs | b3h3m0th: also try to clean up your sources.list ;-) |
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| 19:01.38 | petn-randall | b3h3m0th: This doesn't happen on stable, are you running testing? |
| 19:02.07 | b3h3m0th | petn-randall: |
| 19:02.08 | b3h3m0th | root@debian:/# uname -a Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux root@debian:/# |
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| 19:02.59 | b3h3m0th | I have tried installing wine, ia32-libs and wine-libs:i386 using aptitude and that caused the trouble |
| 19:05.05 | b3h3m0th | I chrooted to the the folder where I mounted my linux installation and after that I am not getting internet connectivity on that chrooted terminal session. I'm afraid network manager got purged too !!! |
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| 19:05.39 | b3h3m0th | root@debian:/# ifconfig Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output. root@debian:/# |
| 19:05.45 | b3h3m0th | petn-randall: any solution / |
| 19:05.46 | b3h3m0th | ? |
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| 19:07.19 | geturafr1nordr | Database connection lost! 5 retries until I give up entirely! |
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| 19:09.04 | b3h3m0th | Is there any way to roll back the changes I made in the last one day ? Is there any auto restore point or anything for debian ? |
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| 19:12.00 | wsky | b3h3m0th: no |
| 19:12.33 | wsky | not by default |
| 19:12.40 | wsky | oh well, he left |
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| 19:19.37 | txomon | ok I now found that GTX650 graphic is not working correctly here... |
| 19:19.50 | txomon | how can I know which kernel version it needs? |
| 19:19.55 | txomon | well, nouveau version* |
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| 19:22.15 | Lady_Aleena | How do I get FileZilla to update itself? |
| 19:22.31 | jhutchins | !nvidia |
| 19:22.31 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:23.49 | txomon | jhutchins: but I prefer nouveau... |
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| 19:24.09 | txomon | that's why I asked for the nouveau version required |
| 19:24.12 | DelphiWorld | ok done debianising |
| 19:24.13 | DelphiWorld | :P |
| 19:25.51 | Lady_Aleena | The Debian 7 version of FileZilla won't let me connect to my web server with SFTP only FTP and it is missing the server drop down menu from the toolbar. |
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| 19:28.04 | jhutchins | ,v nouveau |
| 19:28.05 | judd | No package named 'nouveau' was found in i386. |
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| 19:28.45 | jhutchins | ,v xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 19:28.46 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5; squeeze-backports: 1:0.0.16+git20110411+8378443-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.0.1-5; jessie: 1:1.0.10-1; sid: 1:1.0.10-1 |
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| 19:29.29 | jhutchins | txomon: Nvidias have two different drivers I believe, one kernel module and one xorg driver. |
| 19:29.49 | jhutchins | !nouveau |
| 19:29.49 | dpkg | The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for Nvidia GPUs (Riva, TNT, GeForce, Quadro). Nouveau <DRM> is part of the Linux kernel, the display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read its README.Debian file for important notes). 3D acceleration is available as of Debian 7 "Wheezy", install the libgl1-mesa-dri package. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:29.54 | txomon | yeah but the problem comes with the opensource one, that doesn't get too updated |
| 19:30.01 | txomon | (nouveau) |
| 19:30.13 | txomon | going #nouveau to ask |
| 19:30.32 | jhutchins | txomon: GOod luck, sorry I don't have an answer for you. |
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| 19:30.42 | txomon | nah no problem |
| 19:30.43 | txomon | debian is working |
| 19:30.52 | txomon | but wrong for gimp usage and so xD |
| 19:31.11 | somiaj | I thought the nouveau version is linked more to the kernel version for card support |
| 19:31.22 | somiaj | also do you have linux-firmware-nonfree (I think that is where they put the firmware blob for it) |
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| 19:33.21 | txomon | somiaj: yeah, I instaled from non-free image and added it |
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| 19:35.25 | txomon | well, I must say that the debian wiki has been improved a lot in last 2 years |
| 19:35.37 | txomon | it was good and now is nearly arch's level |
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| 19:40.59 | somiaj | yea some pages are really good, some pages are terribaly outdated (such as the nivida ones) |
| 19:41.06 | somiaj | though maybe they got fixed |
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| 19:44.05 | alkisg | Hi, on jessie, why would `apt-get install mate-desktop` report that it cannot find that package? http://packages.debian.org/sid/mate-desktop |
| 19:44.14 | alkisg | Ah, maybe the mirror... |
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| 19:44.41 | dondelelcaro | alkisg: it's not in jessie, it's only in unstable |
| 19:44.50 | hesco | I'm wondering if I can somehow install a single package from sid on my otherwise wheezy 7.1 installation and avoid the whole dist-upgrade risks. |
| 19:45.03 | dondelelcaro | hesco: generally, no. |
| 19:45.09 | dondelelcaro | hesco: best to use the backports |
| 19:45.14 | alkisg | Thank you dondelelcaro |
| 19:45.41 | hesco | Thanks, dondelelcaro: looking for a backport then. |
| 19:45.50 | dondelelcaro | alkisg: no problem; if you have rmadison installed, you can find that out for yourself (rmadison mate-desktop), or the packages.debian.org page has that information too |
| 19:46.08 | dondelelcaro | hesco: right; if you tell me what package, I can probably help you |
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| 19:46.25 | hesco | http://packages.debian.org/sid/websockify |
| 19:46.39 | hesco | dondelelcaro: ^^^^ |
| 19:46.49 | dondelelcaro | hesco: that package hasn't been backported, but you can do it yourself |
| 19:46.55 | hesco | thanks for your help and time |
| 19:47.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell hesco -about ssb |
| 19:47.09 | hesco | you have a recipe for such a task? |
| 19:47.18 | dondelelcaro | hesco: the instructions dpkg gave you explain how to do it |
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| 19:47.37 | hesco | I got no such instructions |
| 19:47.39 | dondelelcaro | (that's a "simple sid backport" is what ssb stands for in this case; if that doesn't work, someone here can probably help you fix it up) |
| 19:47.52 | dondelelcaro | hesco: it'll be in your message window or something similar |
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| 19:48.08 | dondelelcaro | hesco: or you can /msg dpkg ssb; if you can't find it |
| 19:48.22 | hesco | thanks, will do |
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| 19:49.35 | Okee | Would anyone know if there is a free online training course for Oracle Financials, that covers the following: Processing pcards, travel cards, IOU reimbursements, iJournals, etc. |
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| 19:50.54 | Lady_Aleena | Can anyone here help me get FileZilla for Debian working properly or am I on my own? |
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| 19:53.05 | hesco | dondelelcaro: this looks like work I want to spin up a vagrant vm for. |
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| 19:53.31 | dondelelcaro | hesco: yeah, I personally do that sort of stuff using sbuild, but then again, I do lots of this kind of thing |
| 19:53.38 | dondelelcaro | (just a VM will be good enough) |
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| 19:54.10 | hesco | is it usually this straight-forward? I'd guess it depends on what package one is backporting |
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| 19:54.45 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: i have't used it for years but this page should help. https://wiki.filezilla-project.org/Using |
| 19:55.21 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, Debian's version of FileZilla is missing the server drop down menu on the toolbar. |
| 19:55.24 | hesco | telling me to start by reading yet another chapter is slighltly off-putting. but guess I had to learn how to do this sooner or later. though wondering if learning fpm might be easier. |
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| 19:56.28 | Lady_Aleena | I may have to unistall Debian's version and install the Windows version under Wine. I can't get Debian's version to connect to my web server with SFTP only FTP. |
| 19:57.23 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: use the site-manager, under the 'file' menu or press ctrl+s |
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| 19:57.46 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, I did, but it won't connect with SFTP. |
| 19:58.32 | hesco | so, dondelelcaro: if I built this, would backports be interested in publishing it? |
| 19:58.33 | dondelelcaro | hesco: it's usually pretty straightforward, but sometimes you have to also modify the package in question |
| 19:58.50 | dondelelcaro | hesco: a DD would actually have to upload it to backports |
| 19:59.42 | dondelelcaro | hesco: but if you find it generally useful, you might send an e-mail to openstack-devel@lists.alitoh.debian.org to ask them to backport it |
| 19:59.46 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: doesn't your web server have ssh/scp available? |
| 19:59.57 | dondelelcaro | hesco: or you can e-mail Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> who is the person who last uploaded it |
| 20:00.35 | dondelelcaro | someone should probably make a sloppy backports section, but that hasn't been done |
| 20:00.52 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, it does, but Debian's FileZilla won't let me connect with it. |
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| 20:10.01 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: |
| 20:10.11 | jelly-home | which version of the package do you have installed? |
| 20:10.33 | Lady_Aleena | 3.5.3 |
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| 20:11.30 | Lady_Aleena | I put fantasy.xecu.net in as Host and use port 21, but it won't let me connect with SFTP. |
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| 20:12.13 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: use port 22. |
| 20:12.36 | jelly-home | 21 is for ftp. 22 is ssh and its sftp subsystem. |
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| 20:13.25 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: 3.5.3-2 works for me here. |
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| 20:14.13 | jelly-home | I just put in host, username, password, port 22 and quickconnect and it worked |
| 20:14.31 | jelly-home | asked for host key confirmed, just like ssh does the first time you connect to a host |
| 20:15.32 | Lady_Aleena | So tech support was wong... |
| 20:15.38 | Lady_Aleena | s/wong/wrong/; |
| 20:15.42 | Lady_Aleena | fumes. |
| 20:15.44 | jelly-home | WONG |
| 20:15.54 | Elemeno-Work | Tech Support is never wrong |
| 20:16.09 | Elemeno-Work | Source: Tech Support |
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| 20:16.37 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: please report if it still fails |
| 20:16.40 | Lady_Aleena | Now, how do I get the server drop down menu on the toolbar? |
| 20:17.01 | Lady_Aleena | jelly-home, you were right, 22 instead of 21. |
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| 20:17.52 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: That's the kind of silly question they'll ask you in the job interview. |
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| 20:18.32 | jelly-home | no server drop down menu in sight |
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| 20:18.49 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: what is this site manager thing? |
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| 20:19.35 | Lady_Aleena | jelly-home, do you have FileZilla open? |
| 20:19.38 | jelly-home | yes |
| 20:20.33 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: Who exactly was "tech support"? |
| 20:20.34 | Lady_Aleena | Now look at the first icon on the toolbar, it should have a down arrow by it. |
| 20:20.40 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: site manager works here |
| 20:21.26 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, I don't want to have to open the site manager every time I open FileZilla. There should be a down arrow by the first icon on the toolbar so I can connect with the server I want. |
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| 20:21.41 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: what's the mouseover text for it? the first icon here says "open the site manager" |
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| 20:22.12 | Lady_Aleena | jelly-home, you are looking at the correct icon, but there is NO down arrow by it as there is in the Windows version. |
| 20:22.34 | jelly-home | perhaps the windows version is newer |
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| 20:22.49 | Lady_Aleena | I can't even figure out how to edit that toolbar to see if it is just hudden. |
| 20:22.59 | Lady_Aleena | s/hudden/hidden/; |
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| 20:23.23 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: the site manager makes choosing servers quickly, one click on the first icon, add site |
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| 20:23.40 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: well, if that one extra click is a required feature for you, I guess you'll have to use the windows version or try backporting the newer one from testing. |
| 20:23.51 | Lady_Aleena | Also, I can't get the newer version because I am using Debian 7 and haven't wrapped my head around how to get the newest versions of my software yet. |
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| 20:24.42 | jelly-home | saved, quit, started anew, opened the site manager, and double clicked on the saved site icon |
| 20:25.21 | jelly-home | technically that's three clicks, vs. two if the pulldown list existed |
| 20:25.23 | Lady_Aleena | I would like FileZilla to look like: https://filezilla-project.org/images/screenshots/fz3_win_main.png |
| 20:25.47 | jelly-home | apparently you're not going to get that with the verison in wheezy |
| 20:26.15 | Lady_Aleena | Can I get away with calling Debian 7 (wheezy), D7 for short? |
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| 20:27.19 | jelly-home | dunno, but everyone seems to love using codenames or versions |
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| 20:28.33 | phogg | Lady_Aleena: what's wrong with "wheezy"? |
| 20:29.05 | Lady_Aleena | phogg, d7 is 2 chars. |
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| 20:29.19 | Lady_Aleena | ;) |
| 20:29.30 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: y u so lazy |
| 20:29.49 | Lady_Aleena | jelly-home, 'cause. |
| 20:29.54 | jelly-home | awy;c u l8r |
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| 20:30.27 | Lady_Aleena | Also, I kept forgetting if it were wheezy or wheazy. |
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| 20:30.56 | jelly-home | squeezy! |
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| 20:50.02 | hesco | dondelelcaro: sorry about that, interrupted by a phone call from a work mate of mine. Thanks for the inspiration and the pointers. Hoping this does not distract for long, I have just launched a vagrant vm to build this backport in. We'll see how it goes. |
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| 20:55.07 | dondelelcaro | hesco: no owrries; I'm busy myself. |
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| 21:17.29 | shovel_boss | selling bf4 http://prntscr.com/2i6oye http://prntscr.com/2i6op7 http://prntscr.com/2i6nun pm me we can make a deal |
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| 21:17.40 | alterkimone | bonjour |
| 21:17.50 | alterkimone | xfce thunar sous debian 7 |
| 21:17.53 | phogg | !ops shovel_boss spam |
| 21:17.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: phogg complains about: shovel_boss spam |
| 21:18.13 | alterkimone | montage des périphériques en read only |
| 21:18.18 | alterkimone | je dois chercher ou? |
| 21:18.34 | wsky | alterkimone: english please |
| 21:18.41 | alterkimone | sorry |
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| 21:28.18 | hesco | dondelelcaro: When I went to read your msg to me about backports, I saw in that window advice from a previous conversation concerning an `apt-get dist-upgrade`, which led me to build this in a vm. that may have been extra-ordinarily cautious I guess for building a backport, I guess, now that I read this more carefully. |
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| 21:33.03 | dondelelcaro | hesco: right, but it's always ok, because that way you won't have the build dependencies hanging about |
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| 21:43.45 | somiaj | hesco: you could also build in a chroot and don't need a full vm |
| 21:44.07 | somiaj | I think the package pbuilder automates that too |
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| 21:44.29 | hesco | thanks somiaj, will try that next time perhaps. |
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| 23:11.43 | nertil | im going to run debian from virtual machine, is that ok? |
| 23:12.44 | klys | you shouldn't mount your disk more than once. make sure you specify ro on the kernel commandline and that none of your scripts remount it rw. |
| 23:13.12 | ompaul | nertil: your internal dialog is showing, would it be able to work, of course it would, would I suggest something, perhaps the KVM version if it works with your processor |
| 23:13.53 | nertil | what is kvm ? |
| 23:13.57 | ompaul | !kvm |
| 23:13.57 | dpkg | Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged as qemu-kvm since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". See http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions, also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/FAQ http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:14.37 | ompaul | klys: eh, the what now? ENOPARSE |
| 23:15.02 | nertil | im on windows right no |
| 23:15.06 | nertil | now i dont understand |
| 23:15.24 | ompaul | nertil: and you will when you install debian? do it with virtualbox or some such then |
| 23:15.59 | nertil | yes, virtualbox is freeware? |
| 23:16.09 | centrx | free and open-source |
| 23:16.11 | ompaul | nertil: I never think of people running windows - because I don't do it for myself, and have not done so for more than one month total on a personal machine since 1993 |
| 23:16.26 | centrx | They still make Windows? |
| 23:16.41 | ompaul | centrx: I heard they ate their versions :) |
| 23:16.47 | ompaul | or was that 8 |
| 23:17.25 | klys | ompaul I'm just afraid he's going to boot with "qemu -k en-us -boot c -hda /dev/sda" as root, without specifying ro |
| 23:17.57 | klys | ...just you wouldn't be able to do that with windows 7 |
| 23:17.59 | ompaul | klys: eh, that takes effort to be that stupid |
| 23:18.21 | ompaul | raises an eyebrow |
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| 23:20.20 | Jobbe | Hmm, i just compiled abook with a minor bugfix i made to the souce, however now i'm unable to use æøå |
| 23:20.36 | Jobbe | Just did a dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 23:20.41 | Jobbe | and set locale to en_DK.UTF8 |
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| 23:20.54 | Jobbe | however now æøå shows up right in abook, but i cannot input it |
| 23:20.56 | Jobbe | any suggestions ? |
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| 23:21.37 | ompaul | well you assume firstly that the bugfix worked |
| 23:21.49 | Jobbe | it did |
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| 23:22.08 | ompaul | so I guess it borken something else :) |
| 23:22.18 | Jobbe | abook did not output a required field to the vcf file so that i could import it correct |
| 23:22.25 | Jobbe | abook exports in version 2.1 |
| 23:22.33 | Jobbe | but there is also version 3 and 4 :) |
| 23:22.40 | Jobbe | could not import right on my phone |
| 23:22.49 | Jobbe | but now locales broke |
| 23:22.57 | Jobbe | the default abook from the repo works |
| 23:23.10 | ompaul | are you running debian on your phone? if so which phone |
| 23:23.13 | Jobbe | no |
| 23:23.15 | Jobbe | Android phone |
| 23:23.21 | ompaul | so what's that to do with debian |
| 23:23.34 | Jobbe | Well i had to fix the output file from abook |
| 23:23.44 | Jobbe | i upload my contacts file from abook once a day |
| 23:23.52 | Jobbe | and uplaods that to a webserver |
| 23:23.59 | Jobbe | then my phone fetches that and imports via an app |
| 23:24.06 | ompaul | and so what is the debian part of this |
| 23:24.09 | ompaul | or is any of it |
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| 23:24.18 | Jobbe | but exported file was not correct so phone did not import right |
| 23:24.25 | Jobbe | well that part works |
| 23:24.34 | hassen | anyone tried pcsx2 in debian?is it fully working with it? |
| 23:24.37 | ompaul | ok, don't answer the direct question |
| 23:24.43 | Jobbe | but the problem on debian, is that i cannot input the letters: æøå |
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| 23:25.13 | Jobbe | in abook, inputting æ ø å into abook's field stopped working |
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| 23:25.35 | themill | crane: hah! well done |
| 23:26.02 | ompaul | Jobbe: which you can obviously do at the keyboard, so you can put those keys into irc from debian? |
| 23:26.42 | Jobbe | ompaul: well i can input that |
| 23:26.49 | Jobbe | but abook does not "accept" the key |
| 23:26.53 | Jobbe | not sure how to explain |
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| 23:27.18 | Jobbe | When i open abook, and wants to add a contact, lets say name is "Børge" .. The "ø" is not entered in the field |
| 23:27.40 | ompaul | Jobbe: and abook is part of thunderbird in this case? |
| 23:27.41 | Jobbe | before i set the locale with dpkg-reconfigure it just showed up as a ? sign |
| 23:27.51 | Jobbe | no abook is an ncurses application |
| 23:27.54 | Jobbe | run from terminal |
| 23:28.08 | ompaul | Jobbe: well there is an abook file in tbird which is why I asked |
| 23:28.16 | Jobbe | :) |
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| 23:28.18 | ompaul | Jobbe: trying to understand what you are actually saying |
| 23:28.38 | Jobbe | http://sourceforge.net/projects/abook/ |
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| 23:31.55 | ompaul | Jobbe: yeah reading it's man page as I don't use it, this is roughly what I want you to do, abook --outformat csv --outfile MYCSV.csv and see what comes of it you may need to work more on it |
| 23:32.13 | ompaul | Jobbe: does that work / not work in dumping the files to text correctly |
| 23:32.23 | Jobbe | thats not the problem :) |
| 23:32.40 | ompaul | ok, that's not the thing I wanted to know |
| 23:32.41 | Jobbe | Problem is me inputting in the interactive part of the program |
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| 23:32.55 | Jobbe | the export part works well |
| 23:33.00 | ompaul | that's not the question |
| 23:33.12 | ompaul | what I wanted to know is this |
| 23:33.33 | ompaul | - if your program outputted the into the csv file - the keys you want |
| 23:33.39 | ompaul | if it does the problem is not with abook |
| 23:34.07 | Jobbe | the output is correct regarding æ ø å |
| 23:34.11 | ompaul | so |
| 23:34.11 | Jobbe | also in the exported file |
| 23:34.20 | Jobbe | also in abook, the output on the screen is correct |
| 23:34.23 | ompaul | the problem does not exist in debian or in the file on the web server |
| 23:34.24 | Jobbe | just the input it wont take |
| 23:34.37 | ompaul | you have the right input in it |
| 23:34.39 | tech9ne | gday everyone |
| 23:34.39 | Jobbe | now that i think about it, same problem in calcurse |
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| 23:34.59 | tech9ne | m/36 australia debian sid user nice to be here |
| 23:35.38 | ompaul | tmi |
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| 23:37.33 | ompaul | Jobbe: so the problem is not where you pointed, you might need to think more about what you are actually pointing at. |
| 23:37.50 | ompaul | Jobbe: so next to impossible for anyone to assist you given that output. |
| 23:38.06 | Jobbe | I'm not exactly sure where the problem is then |
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| 23:38.41 | Jobbe | Problem started (with abook) after i compiled the problem myself and installed - so i just assumed it was abook that had a problem |
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| 23:38.55 | ompaul | you compiled it when apt- had it |
| 23:38.57 | ompaul | brillian |
| 23:39.03 | ompaul | abandons you to your thoughts |
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| 23:39.38 | Jobbe | yes |
| 23:39.44 | Jobbe | but apt-get did not have my fix |
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| 23:56.34 | pthreat | Im looking for a cloud storage solution that can be mounted like any other regular filesystem |
| 23:56.39 | pthreat | for debian of course |
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