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| 00:02.11 | skatbo | hello, I am testing a led notification script with my irc client, can someone please send a message specifically to my name? |
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| 00:02.51 | pthreat | skatbo: *blink* |
| 00:03.15 | skatbo | thank you very much! it is working. |
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| 00:07.15 | plm | here is possible to get help with a route table? |
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| 00:07.33 | dz2 | has anyone here recently upgraded to 7.3? |
| 00:08.02 | FreezingCold | What large companies offer Debian user level support? |
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| 00:10.06 | wols | FreezingCold: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ IBM surely does |
| 00:10.22 | wols | plm and dz2: ask your real questions |
| 00:10.24 | dgriffi | here's my writeup on installing several different operating systems from the same flash drive: http://661.org/articles/flashinstall.html |
| 00:10.24 | Jobbe | fyi ompaul i fixed the problem |
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| 00:10.48 | FreezingCold | wols: "IBM will provide customers with server hardware warranty support only. For operating system and software support, customers will need to contact the operating system vendor or community to obtain the operating system and OS software support directly." |
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| 00:11.09 | wols | FreezingCold: IBM has a business to support every OS under the sun |
| 00:11.28 | FreezingCold | wols: by support I mean a line where I can forward a stupid user to when they try to waste my time |
| 00:11.30 | dz2 | evolution is crashing on startup; how do I fix it? |
| 00:11.47 | FreezingCold | ie "how do i open my email attachment its broken fix it pls now i need this very much" |
| 00:11.50 | wols | FreezingCold: they will. I doubt you want to pay IBM's prices however |
| 00:12.02 | dgriffi | FreezingCold: try a speech-recognizer coupled with ELIZA |
| 00:12.11 | FreezingCold | wols: I kinda want something like Ubuntu Advantage |
| 00:12.23 | wols | dz2: try to run it with a newly made user |
| 00:12.32 | dz2 | I'm getting this error: Gdk-WARNING **: The program 'evolution' received an X Window System error. |
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| 00:12.53 | dz2 | wols, I did, same problem |
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| 00:15.22 | plm | wols: I have box1 with ip 192.168.200.50 connected directally to box2 (eth0 - 192.168.200.200). In the box2 I have more other interfaces, tun0, tun1, ppp0, ppp1, but I can't to ping to ip theses interfaces from box1, just for the 192.168.200.200. How I add a rule in the box2 to box1 possible to reach that other interfaces? Here what I have in the box2 route: http://dpaste.com/1545913/ |
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| 00:16.29 | hesco | what is the process either for building a .deb from or installing directly from a source tarball like this one: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/python-greenlet/python-greenlet_0.4.0-2.debian.tar.gz |
| 00:17.08 | hesco | plm: and by directly you mean through a cross-over cable, or through a hub, switch for router, correct? |
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| 00:17.47 | plm | hesco: is a vlan |
| 00:18.51 | hesco | plm: my copy of SDN just arrived today. Ask me again in two weeks, I guess. |
| 00:19.24 | plm | hesco: but the problem is not the vlan, I think is just a route config in the box2 |
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| 00:20.14 | plm | hesco: Is needed to add that route in the tables I think, But I'm not sure |
| 00:21.39 | hesco | but you show a successful ping from box2 to box1. what exactly is the issue? |
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| 00:23.38 | plm | hesco: box2 ping in the box1. box1 ping in the box2 (just eth0). but box1 not ping in other interfaces of box2, see? |
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| 00:30.00 | psymax | hello. is there anybody who boots debian from iscsi ? |
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| 00:33.37 | centrx | psycheye, I guess not :) |
| 00:33.40 | centrx | psymax, I guess not :) |
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| 00:33.56 | dorito_125 | Hey df is showing that I'm using a massive amount of space but I'm looking at / and I don't see where it is. Could someone help me find the phantom data? |
| 00:34.12 | psymax | i see. thanks :) |
| 00:34.48 | centrx | dorito_125, run: du |sort -g |
| 00:35.12 | dorito_125 | centrx: Okay. One sec. |
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| 00:38.26 | dorito_125 | centrx: The last line with a number of bytes and then a . is that the total amount of space used? |
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| 00:39.34 | centrx | dorito_125, Yes, and then the files/directories are listed in order of size with the largest files last |
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| 00:39.44 | centrx | dorito_125, So . is last because it is the largest (of course) |
| 00:40.25 | centrx | dorito_125, du scans from whatever is your current directory, so if you want to see the usage/file list for the entire disk, cd to / |
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| 00:42.24 | root________ | heya, I've booted into debian live, and I'm about to reboot, but the reboot is happening over SSH. |
| 00:42.44 | root________ | How can I tell it to skip the prompt to eject CDs and hit enter, so that it doesn't wait for that forever? |
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| 00:42.56 | root________ | I'm not physically near the system, and I need to reboo tit |
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| 00:43.37 | BOvern | so damn funny |
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| 00:48.11 | centrx | root________, good question, if it is a BIOS prompt you would need to change hte BIOS settings |
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| 00:48.28 | centrx | root________, If it is a prompt within Grub or Linux, you would need to be able to save something to disk beyond the live CD |
| 00:49.38 | BOvern | did valve ask debian permision to use it was a gaming respin? |
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| 00:53.10 | mrproper | Does qemu allow me to run a guest inside it which also runs qemu? |
| 00:53.48 | BOvern | do you think people have realized that the digital age is an hoax? its only porpose is to serve sysadmins ego |
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| 00:55.54 | BOvern | this channel must be on hold |
| 00:56.00 | vlsoft | mrproper, If you run qemu without KVM support inside, it's a hardware emulator, so I doubt there would be problems running it, although the performace would be poor. KVM won't work inside a VM anyway. |
| 00:56.45 | BOvern | keyboard video and mouse |
| 00:57.20 | vlsoft | Kernel-based Virtual Machine |
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| 00:57.44 | mrproper | vlsoft: It's a staging environment for openstack so it needs to boot an instance. 3 guests on the bare metal server. |
| 00:57.46 | BOvern | ´;) |
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| 00:59.11 | vlsoft | mrproper, if you have to start another instance, ssh out of the first VM and spawn another VM on the host then? |
| 00:59.53 | BOvern | you gota love gnome boxes |
| 00:59.59 | BOvern | the NSA does |
| 01:00.10 | mrproper | vlsoft: Basically. The main server will have 3 guests. Then inside of one of those guests will be another set of guests |
| 01:00.38 | BOvern | russian dolls |
| 01:00.42 | mrproper | Exactly |
| 01:01.16 | vlsoft | mrproper, as I said above, qemu would run fine, just like a C=64 emulator would inside a VM, so if performance isn't really an issue, then no problem. |
| 01:02.28 | mrproper | Yeah I don't care about performance at this time. Thanks! |
| 01:03.12 | BOvern | virtual reality |
| 01:04.06 | BOvern | if you run engough of debians inside debians you get a nice fractal |
| 01:04.34 | AsumFace | debianception? |
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| 01:06.37 | BOvern | whats happends when peeps peep them selfs? |
| 01:07.42 | vlsoft | What happens when your tg3 card decides to take a nap? No peeping... Right now I'm trying to figure out what causes this: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 (tg3): transmit queue 0 timed out |
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| 01:09.01 | vlsoft | This happened on a freshly built 3.12.7 kernel, but it happens on the stock Debian kernel too (3.2.0-4-amd64) |
| 01:10.29 | vlsoft | Btw. it's a HP Proliant ML350p gen8 server. |
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| 01:15.56 | BOvern | you gota love this thriving comunity |
| 01:17.20 | vlsoft | Everyone is asleep :) |
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| 01:18.54 | centrx | BOvern, Sorry we have not been living up to our duty to entertain you |
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| 01:21.19 | BOvern | yes im not as entertaning has hacking your girlfriend facebock |
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| 01:21.41 | centrx | shit |
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| 01:21.54 | BOvern | no cussing |
| 01:21.58 | ctmjr | BOvern: do you have a support question |
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| 01:24.48 | BOvern | why doesnt TC not choose systemd as the default |
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| 01:29.28 | BOvern | is the politicization of the init system a problem? |
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| 01:32.10 | mason- | New Deb install. Added my user to the sudo group, and have the %sudo line in sudoers, but it still says I'm not in the sudoers file. Am I missing something? |
| 01:33.32 | BOvern | ask #ubuntu they invebted sudo |
| 01:34.51 | centrx | mason-, Don't you need to be in the sudoers file, not just the sudo group? |
| 01:35.04 | BOvern | do you think systemd is trying to find a solution for a non existing problem? |
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| 01:36.39 | mason- | centrx: I have %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL in the sudoers file, which I thought would cover that. |
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| 01:37.10 | somiaj | mason-: type groups, are you in the sudo group? |
| 01:37.17 | mason- | Yes. |
| 01:37.20 | somiaj | you may need to logout/backinm |
| 01:38.10 | mason- | That worked. Thanks so much. |
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| 01:40.43 | BOvern | im in the wheel group |
| 01:41.15 | mason- | When I used crunchbang it was called wheel, but on this fresh deb installation the wheel group didn't exist, only sudo. |
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| 01:46.27 | BOvern | with so many users in here there must be lots of pvt chating going on |
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| 01:49.28 | jordanm | BOvern: most just idle |
| 01:50.31 | BOvern | damn peeps |
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| 01:56.25 | BOvern | ipv6 to rule the universe |
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| 01:57.19 | mason- | I can't find any linux-headers-3.2* in the repos. What can I do in this situation? |
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| 01:57.58 | BOvern | manson are you using kali? |
| 01:58.07 | mason- | I don't know what that is. |
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| 01:58.16 | BOvern | right ;) |
| 01:58.19 | mason- | I did a wheezy installation then upgraded to jessie then sid. |
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| 01:58.40 | dvs | ,v linux-headers-3.2.0.4-amd64 |
| 01:58.41 | centrx | mason-, They look like they are in sid? |
| 01:58.41 | judd | No package named 'linux-headers-3.2.0.4-amd64' was found in i386. |
| 01:58.55 | dvs | ,v linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 01:58.56 | judd | Package: linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 on i386 -- wheezy-security: 3.2.46-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 3.2.51-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.2.53-2 |
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| 02:00.12 | BOvern | why are amd 64 headrs doing on i386? |
| 02:00.47 | BOvern | must be something to confuse the newbies |
| 02:01.08 | mason- | It's working. |
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| 02:02.04 | BOvern | !seen thetruth* |
| 02:02.04 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'thetruth*', BOvern |
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| 02:03.10 | BOvern | this digital age as been a boom for the agencies |
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| 02:05.50 | mason- | So what do I do to get my correct headers? |
| 02:06.49 | dvs | ,v linux-headers-amd64 |
| 02:06.50 | judd | Package: linux-headers-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.11+54~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.12+55; sid: 3.12+55 |
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| 02:08.54 | WilliamDotSI | mhm my system does not boot anymore due to an "Up" entry in network/interfaces that takes foreground |
| 02:09.09 | WilliamDotSI | init=/bin/bash does not let me remount my mdadm raid1 as rw |
| 02:09.18 | WilliamDotSI | and secondary consoles do not react |
| 02:09.27 | WilliamDotSI | just flashing cursor |
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| 02:11.19 | WilliamDotSI | so, reinstall i guess? |
| 02:11.26 | WilliamDotSI | i do not have asystem where i could mount the disk |
| 02:12.05 | dvs | WilliamDotSI: The install CD is also a rescue disk |
| 02:12.19 | WilliamDotSI | image system |
| 02:12.40 | BOvern | netinst? |
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| 02:13.46 | WilliamDotSI | unless there is a bootarg to disable pcie |
| 02:14.02 | WilliamDotSI | then i could boot as the offending line does rely on a bridge/eth being available |
| 02:14.06 | somiaj | WilliamDotSI: you can disable brining the network up at boot with any rescue medium, or fix the interfaces file so it bookts. |
| 02:14.10 | BOvern | a friend of mine tells me that debian will be using 3.13 kernel in 2020 |
| 02:14.17 | WilliamDotSI | yes SoMaek |
| 02:14.20 | WilliamDotSI | eh somiaj |
| 02:14.26 | WilliamDotSI | if i would have a medium, i would not ask :( |
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| 02:34.51 | shawnbon206 | anyone here running a nas server with gnu/kfreebsd? |
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| 02:39.20 | mason- | If "gnu/kfreebsd" is one thing, not I, but I am running a FreeNAS server which runs FreeBSD. |
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| 03:09.53 | Akuw | hi |
| 03:10.00 | Akuw | someone of paris? |
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| 03:20.42 | dajkdw | Problem |
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| 03:21.02 | dajkdw | my windows computer java is 1.7 when I get default-jre with debian I get 1.6 |
| 03:21.20 | dajkdw | as a result my .jar can't execute on my debian coz of an expection for class version related problems |
| 03:21.23 | dajkdw | HOW TO SOLVE IT? |
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| 03:22.16 | PublicStaticVoid | Hello |
| 03:22.22 | dajkdw | HI |
| 03:22.24 | dajkdw | can someone help me? |
| 03:22.30 | PublicStaticVoid | Ask away |
| 03:22.34 | PublicStaticVoid | We can try. |
| 03:22.42 | dajkdw | [22:20] <dajkdw> my windows computer java is 1.7 when I get default-jre with debian I get 1.6 [22:21] <dajkdw> as a result my .jar can't execute on my debian coz of an expection for class version related problems [22:21] <dajkdw> HOW TO SOLVE IT? [ |
| 03:23.10 | dajkdw | is there a way to update java to a specific version or something |
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| 03:23.17 | PublicStaticVoid | just install the package for the java version you want |
| 03:23.37 | PublicStaticVoid | apt-cache search jre 6 |
| 03:23.51 | PublicStaticVoid | look for the package for the version you wish to install |
| 03:24.04 | PublicStaticVoid | the type sudo apt-get install <package name> |
| 03:24.16 | ||oop | 1.7 should be available |
| 03:24.22 | dajkdw | thats fucking crappy and complicated terrible user design |
| 03:24.25 | dajkdw | any easier way? |
| 03:24.31 | ||oop | shhhh |
| 03:24.37 | PublicStaticVoid | Okay leave |
| 03:24.44 | dajkdw | lol |
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| 03:24.47 | PublicStaticVoid | It is litterally two commands |
| 03:24.53 | ||oop | call larry ellison and complain to him |
| 03:24.58 | dajkdw | how am I supposed to find what version I need? |
| 03:25.01 | dajkdw | I just need to latest one |
| 03:25.13 | ||oop | im guessing its 1.7 |
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| 03:25.39 | PublicStaticVoid | How is it linux's fault it doesnt know what version of java you need? |
| 03:25.47 | PublicStaticVoid | You should probably stick to Windows. |
| 03:26.03 | ||oop | im still bitter about java. |
| 03:26.04 | dajkdw | the latest version |
| 03:26.05 | dajkdw | duh |
| 03:26.22 | PublicStaticVoid | Latest and latest stable are two different things |
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| 03:26.31 | dajkdw | well I didn't say stable |
| 03:26.33 | dajkdw | I just said latest |
| 03:26.37 | PublicStaticVoid | There is no Duh about it either, it depends what you are working on.. |
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| 03:27.13 | PublicStaticVoid | Then install the latest java package.. |
| 03:27.23 | PublicStaticVoid | !java |
| 03:27.24 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 03:28.11 | dajkdw | PublicStaticVoid this command gave me 1.6 apt-get install default-jre |
| 03:28.31 | PublicStaticVoid | Because that is the latest stable version |
| 03:28.38 | PublicStaticVoid | so use apt-cache search |
| 03:28.44 | dajkdw | Ok is there a way to do apt-get install latest-jre? |
| 03:28.56 | PublicStaticVoid | I have given you plenty of information, help yourself |
| 03:29.08 | PublicStaticVoid | if you think this is to complicated you should not use Linux. |
| 03:29.15 | PublicStaticVoid | No |
| 03:29.40 | PublicStaticVoid | because latest can mean many things.. |
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| 03:30.05 | PublicStaticVoid | Latest stable, latests supported, lastest open source, latests release canidte.. |
| 03:30.07 | dajkdw | it really just means one thing |
| 03:30.27 | PublicStaticVoid | Okay, go back to Windows.. Please. |
| 03:30.38 | dajkdw | ok bro |
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| 03:39.24 | laigualdad | PublicStaticVoid the last thing we want to do is tell people to use Windows :( |
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| 03:43.05 | mo1991 | dajkdw - debian has stable testing and unstable versions - 1.6 is the latest stable version. It is possible to install "newer" potentially less stable and certainly less well tested versions with some knowledge. But rather than saying that's crappy and shitty design, perhaps ask google and educate yourself first. I can assure you that apt-get is vastly superior to the windows way of installing things, but it does take some basic know |
| 03:43.06 | mo1991 | ledge that can be easily obtained from google. |
| 03:43.26 | mo1991 | 1.6 latest version of java - edit above |
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| 03:48.11 | laigualdad | dajkdw yeah things are different here but for good reasons. |
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| 04:05.17 | Derpman | any recommendations for a terminal-based music player? |
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| 04:07.18 | centrx | Derpman, mpg321 is the simplest one |
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| 04:10.05 | metrix | I just upgraded a kernel on a xen vm to 3.0 on stable, and I am getting the following error mounting a drive: "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'" |
| 04:11.01 | metrix | What do I need to do to mount this? googling isn't returning anything useful so far |
| 04:11.35 | metrix | The kernel is 3.2.0-4-amd64 if t helps any |
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| 04:12.08 | elvora | exit |
| 04:12.35 | metrix | I believe it's /quit ;) |
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| 04:14.01 | elvora | metrix: thx, I accidentally issued a terminal command in this buffer. Sorry about that. |
| 04:14.04 | elvora | :) |
| 04:14.38 | agike | Hi, after reinstall /dev/db1 (debian) in recovery mode recognises root & allows update of user passwd, but on reboot into non-recovery mode it recognised neither root nor usr passwd. I have a sucessful install on a dual-booted drive but the final stages of chroot elude me. Can amyone suggest a fix - or a relevant reference ? |
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| 04:18.09 | Derpman | agike: are you logging in directly to a tty or soemthing like a desktop manager after you boot? |
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| 04:19.58 | agike | The above happen in the Grub2 menu and never let me get as far as a terminal (sakura) in my usual /home dir. |
| 04:20.54 | agike | Recovery mode seems to work, but user mode does not. |
| 04:21.06 | agike | .. on that drive |
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| 04:23.11 | agike | The one anomaly I am aware of is that fdisk-l gives me "Warning: Partition (X) does not end on cylinder boundary" which I am not sure is relevant. |
| 04:27.14 | agike | http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-reset-debian-root-password.html |
| 04:27.16 | agike | .. may be the go. I'll try tomorrow .. right now I need some sleep. Cheers, Debianistas ! |
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| 04:33.09 | dorito_125 | centrx: Sorry I had to run earlier. I'm still having a problem. On the drive mounted as rootfs It's 263gb. I have almost nothing on the drive we're talking 2gb max. However when I use df. It says I'm using 136gb. Any ideas? |
| 04:34.08 | dorito_125 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 04:34.08 | dorito_125 | rootfs 264G 136G 115G 55% / |
| 04:34.08 | dorito_125 | udev 10M 0 10M 0% /dev |
| 04:34.10 | dorito_125 | tmpfs 598M 476K 598M 1% /run |
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| 04:34.36 | dorito_125 | Crap sorry I was trying to msg dpkg. |
| 04:37.11 | centrx | dorito_125, Are you using some kind of virtual memory/RAMdisk thing? |
| 04:37.21 | dorito_125 | centrx: Nope. |
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| 04:37.54 | dorito_125 | centrx: I'm usually pretty good with this stuff but this has got me. |
| 04:37.58 | centrx | dorito_125, The "rootfs" file system is a RAM file system supposedly? |
| 04:38.09 | centrx | It looks like you do not have any partitions on disk... |
| 04:38.36 | centrx | The Filesystem should be something like ext4 |
| 04:38.56 | centrx | Or actually it should be the device in /dev |
| 04:39.04 | centrx | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 04:39.05 | centrx | /dev/sda1 295049152 113458852 166579640 41% / |
| 04:39.05 | centrx | udev 10240 0 10240 0% /dev |
| 04:39.49 | dorito_125 | centrx: I haven't changed anything since the debian installer. I've just added lvm with other drives, those are the dev/mapper/* |
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| 04:40.37 | centrx | Based on this information, I am afraid I have to inform you: |
| 04:40.40 | centrx | Your computer does not exist |
| 04:40.54 | dorito_125 | # / was on /dev/sdh1 during installation UUID=daf1e096-80e8-45be-9797-1b5fcea576c4 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 # swap was on /dev/sdh5 during installation UUID=0686cb67-57d3-49bc-a06b-606acaf299cc none swap sw 0 0 |
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| 04:41.08 | dorito_125 | centrx: uh oh =p |
| 04:41.32 | dorito_125 | Those are the only two entries in fstab besides the volume groups which are working properly. |
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| 04:42.43 | centrx | Is that first line just one line, it is commented out? |
| 04:43.33 | dorito_125 | How much can I paste without being kicked? |
| 04:43.49 | dorito_125 | # / was on /dev/sdh1 during installation |
| 04:43.49 | dorito_125 | UUID=daf1e096-80e8-45be-9797-1b5fcea576c4 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 04:43.49 | dorito_125 | # swap was on /dev/sdh5 during installation |
| 04:43.51 | dorito_125 | UUID=0686cb67-57d3-49bc-a06b-606acaf299cc none swap sw 0 0 |
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| 04:44.09 | centrx | There is your answer |
| 04:44.17 | centrx | It could be related to LVM? |
| 04:44.20 | centrx | Do you need LVM? |
| 04:45.07 | dorito_125 | centrx: Yes. The drive debian is on is not in the lvm at all though. It's not marked as a physical drive to be used by lvm. |
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| 04:45.50 | dorito_125 | I have drives of different sizes all throw together to make the two ~3tb portions. |
| 04:46.04 | centrx | dorito_125, What does "du / |sort -g" say are the big files? |
| 04:46.57 | dorito_125 | centrx: Mostly just stuff from /storage/* which is not on that drive. |
| 04:47.01 | dorito_125 | I can unmount and rerun it. |
| 04:48.18 | metrix | What is the suggested format for an SSD on Debian stable? ext3/ext4/btrfs? |
| 04:48.50 | ectospasm | ext4 |
| 04:48.56 | ectospasm | make sure you enable trim |
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| 04:49.31 | ectospasm | ...if you're using lvm or LUKS/cryptsetup, you may have some hoops there as well |
| 04:49.42 | dorito_125 | centrx: Found the issue. |
| 04:49.48 | metrix | OK, so I have an ext4 filesystem that isn't recognized by a Debian stable partition with a 3.2... any ideas why this is the case? |
| 04:50.10 | metrix | err Debian stable xen VM server.. |
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| 04:50.31 | RandomStrayCat | Hi |
| 04:50.32 | metrix | and a 3.2 kernel |
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| 04:51.07 | RandomStrayCat | Does anyone know if CDs use MBR or GPT as well? |
| 04:51.09 | dorito_125 | centrx: One of my volume groups had a drive failure. It still showed as mounted but the data going to that directory was actually being put onto the main debian drive. Until it filled it up. |
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| 04:52.01 | dorito_125 | centrx: Which brings up another question. If you have data in /somedir/foo and then mount a drive at /somedir/foo. What happens to the original data? |
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| 04:52.52 | dorito_125 | centrx: Thank you for your help. |
| 04:55.45 | metrix | I have no idea why, but the 3.2 xen VM kernels do not understand an ext4 filesystem.. downgrading to 2.6.32-5 works just fine |
| 04:57.43 | jordanm | macrobat: grep EXT4 /boot/config-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 05:02.45 | root________ | centrx: I figured it out. |
| 05:03.03 | centrx | yay! |
| 05:03.09 | root________ | centrx: it's a prompt at shutdown from the debian live image asking me to eject the CD and hit enter. |
| 05:03.16 | root________ | I followed this guide: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/rebooting-magic-way |
| 05:03.43 | root________ | in short, echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq; echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 05:07.21 | root________ | centrx: I wouldn't reccomend it for any working install, but to make live skip the shutdown process and skip straight to BIOS post to boot normally, it's a cool tool. |
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| 05:07.50 | centrx | ah |
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| 05:27.00 | dgriffi | anyone here know how to use SYSLINUX to cause a machine to boot an ISO image? |
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| 05:30.06 | __FBi | lol, you break grub? |
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| 05:36.43 | dgriffi | __FBi: no. I'm tinkering around with having a single flash drive install many different operating systems. |
| 05:37.09 | dgriffi | __FBi: read this: http://661.org/articles/flashinstall.html |
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| 05:37.13 | __FBi | my friend made one of those years ago |
| 05:37.42 | NotJimCarrey | anyone know how to fix "The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist"? virtualbox-dkms & linux-headers-amd64 are installed |
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| 05:39.14 | dgriffi | NotJimCarrey: you need to load the virtualbox kernel module |
| 05:39.21 | NotJimCarrey | doesn't exist |
| 05:39.51 | NotJimCarrey | that's my problem |
| 05:40.11 | dgriffi | https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#The_character_device_.2Fdev.2Fvboxdrv_does_not_exist |
| 05:40.20 | bullgard4 | var/log/pm-suspend.log : "Thu Jan 9 15:26:28 CET 2014: Awake.; Thu Jan 9 15:26:28 CET 2014: Running hooks for thaw." What characteristics has the PM state »Awake«? I particular, I do not uderstand that a computer which is awake needs doing hooks for thawig yet. |
| 05:40.50 | bullgard4 | s/I/In/ |
| 05:41.12 | NotJimCarrey | dgriffi: it just says to modprobe if not/then install virtualbox-dkms, which is installed |
| 05:41.20 | NotJimCarrey | tried --reinstall |
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| 05:41.46 | dgriffi | are you a member of the vboxusers group? |
| 05:42.09 | NotJimCarrey | yes |
| 05:42.53 | dgriffi | I don't know. When I had that problem, the answer was on that page |
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| 06:03.43 | bullgard4 | var/log/pm-suspend.log : "Thu Jan 9 15:26:28 CET 2014: Awake.; Thu Jan 9 15:26:28 CET 2014: Running hooks for thaw." What characteristics has the PM state »Awake«? In particular, I do not understand that a computer which is awake needs doing hooks for thawig yet. |
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| 06:47.11 | Thraul | anyone know of a decent twitter app (gtk?) to use |
| 06:47.12 | Thraul | ? |
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| 06:52.32 | PublicStaticVoid | SO I went to get an ISO to install Debian on my new machine |
| 06:52.47 | PublicStaticVoid | But failed to find any images that support EFI booting? |
| 06:53.30 | PublicStaticVoid | Also the installers partitioning is not equipped to setup a bootloader with EFI and other operating systems? |
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| 06:54.11 | Blue1 | is efi the new partitioning schema for win 8? if so, then wheezy worked fine with it. |
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| 06:56.54 | PublicStaticVoid | No |
| 06:57.02 | PublicStaticVoid | !UEFI |
| 06:57.02 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 06:57.30 | PublicStaticVoid | Hmm, says it supports it, yet there is no EFI boot media.. |
| 06:58.56 | Blue1 | I guess I don't understand the diff. sorry |
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| 07:02.09 | PublicStaticVoid | It has nothing to do with Partitioning |
| 07:02.30 | PublicStaticVoid | It replaces the way we nterface with our motherboard firmware |
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| 07:02.38 | PublicStaticVoid | Instead of BIOS.. |
| 07:02.47 | PublicStaticVoid | Read about it, kinda important. |
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| 07:03.43 | Blue1 | Well, I encountered uefi when I nuked win 8 and tried to install win 7 -- |
| 07:04.04 | Blue1 | the partitioning scheme would NOT allow me to install win 7 |
| 07:04.34 | Blue1 | in addition, I had to reformat the drive as ms-dos, and enable legacy boot |
| 07:05.03 | Blue1 | this was ally I could find": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_System_partition#Linux YMMV applies |
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| 07:06.47 | PublicStaticVoid | Those are GPT issues |
| 07:06.53 | Blue1 | indeed |
| 07:07.04 | PublicStaticVoid | Yes, not what I am referring too. |
| 07:07.10 | PublicStaticVoid | But have encountered. |
| 07:07.10 | Blue1 | so wheezy does NOT have that, since it says it's in kernel 3.3 - |
| 07:07.35 | PublicStaticVoid | No I am reading Wheezy does fully support UEFI |
| 07:07.40 | Blue1 | I have not dealt with uefi except for downgrading from win 8 to win 7 |
| 07:07.45 | PublicStaticVoid | I just could not find any Install media th |
| 07:07.52 | PublicStaticVoid | that can boot in UEFI mode |
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| 07:08.13 | Blue1 | well I had boot issues trying to install wheezy rc 1 |
| 07:08.19 | Blue1 | on uefi |
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| 07:08.56 | Blue1 | came up with an odd div_mod 64 error |
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| 07:11.30 | PublicStaticVoid | The media wont even boot in UEFI mode |
| 07:12.36 | Blue1 | could grub be corrupted? |
| 07:12.44 | Blue1 | or whatever bootloader you are using? |
| 07:13.29 | PublicStaticVoid | No |
| 07:13.41 | PublicStaticVoid | Its not UEFI compatible |
| 07:13.50 | PublicStaticVoid | It only boots in legacy boot mode |
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| 07:14.30 | PublicStaticVoid | Meaning the UEFI doesnt know it is bootable |
| 07:15.05 | Blue1 | and you checked that the gpt was uefi right? |
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| 07:18.03 | Blue1 | the ez to check is with gparted. view the device information |
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| 07:52.45 | PublicStaticVoid | That made no sense |
| 07:53.09 | PublicStaticVoid | The media has to be created to boot in UEFI mode |
| 07:53.17 | PublicStaticVoid | Its on the Debian team |
| 07:53.38 | PublicStaticVoid | Useres riht now have to create their own install media to boot in UEFI mode |
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| 08:06.50 | dz2 | I'm having a problem with my debian system. I will send 0.018 BTC to anyone that can help me solve it. |
| 08:07.11 | somiaj | !ask |
| 08:07.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:07.22 | ompaul | dz2: not how it asks |
| 08:07.25 | ompaul | or works |
| 08:08.36 | tilt | i'll do it |
| 08:08.42 | tilt | for 18 BTC :D |
| 08:08.55 | ompaul | dpkg: ask your question |
| 08:08.56 | dpkg | ompaul: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 08:09.09 | ompaul | dz2: ask your question |
| 08:09.13 | tilt | dpkg: shush :) |
| 08:09.14 | dpkg | tilt: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 08:09.37 | dz2 | When I start evolution it crashes. |
| 08:09.48 | ompaul | !bat |
| 08:09.49 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 08:09.54 | tilt | dz2: what's the errormessage? |
| 08:10.00 | dz2 | (evolution:13775): Gdk-WARNING **: The program 'evolution' received an X Window System error. |
| 08:10.11 | dz2 | This probably reflects a bug in the program. |
| 08:10.11 | dz2 | The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'. |
| 08:10.11 | dz2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.11 | dz2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.11 | dz2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:10.30 | ompaul | yeah that was going to happen |
| 08:10.37 | tilt | he could not survive for long in the realm of the machines |
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| 08:11.05 | tilt | dz2: what jdk are you using? |
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| 08:11.32 | dz2 | tilt, I dont know. |
| 08:11.46 | tilt | dz2: try opening a terminal and type "java -version" |
| 08:12.02 | tilt | first line of output is enough |
| 08:12.11 | dz2 | java version "1.6.0_27" |
| 08:12.27 | tilt | bit old |
| 08:12.39 | ompaul | dz2: please use http://paste.debian.net and put in there the out put of the following commands uname -a ; cat /etc/debian_version ; cat /etc/apt/sources.list ; apt-cache policy evolution |
| 08:12.47 | dz2 | does evolution use java? |
| 08:12.50 | tilt | oh damn |
| 08:12.54 | tilt | sorry |
| 08:13.02 | tilt | i misread evolution for eclipse some way |
| 08:13.07 | tilt | my mistake pls ignore me |
| 08:13.23 | ompaul | tilt: you were operating in uncharted waters at full tilt? |
| 08:13.34 | tilt | ompaul: under half pressure |
| 08:13.39 | ompaul | heh |
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| 08:16.46 | dz2 | ompaul, have done that |
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| 08:17.43 | ompaul | dz2: and you have not given me the url from that page :) |
| 08:18.53 | ompaul | 21 minute(s) ago |
| 08:19.21 | ompaul | dz2: so you didn't do that because the last paste made was that amount of time ago ... according to the front page |
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| 08:20.18 | dz2 | paste.debian.net/75550 |
| 08:20.26 | dz2 | ok there was an error |
| 08:21.28 | ompaul | ,v evolution |
| 08:21.29 | judd | Package: evolution on i386 -- squeeze: 2.30.3-5; wheezy: 3.4.4-3; jessie: 3.8.5-2+b1; sid: 3.8.5-2+b1; experimental: 3.10.1-2 |
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| 08:23.57 | ompaul | dz2: so here is the problem, I see in your sources that you have mate |
| 08:24.34 | ompaul | dz2: you have wheezy's evolution - so you are trying to run a gnome 2 and have a gnome 3 application - mate - it has a price |
| 08:24.48 | ompaul | dz2: or am I wrong |
| 08:25.02 | dz2 | that line is commented out |
| 08:25.14 | ompaul | dz2: it may be, but I guess you took some mate stuff |
| 08:25.22 | dz2 | I'm using gnome |
| 08:25.30 | ompaul | dz2: gnome 3? |
| 08:25.37 | dz2 | possibly |
| 08:25.40 | ompaul | yeah |
| 08:25.49 | ompaul | you took the mate it brokend the box |
| 08:25.52 | dz2 | yes I'm using gnome 3 |
| 08:26.11 | ompaul | if you took any items at all from mate - all bets are off |
| 08:26.27 | ompaul | so, your call, did you or didn't you> |
| 08:26.37 | somiaj | dz2: the crashing could be due to some basic lib from teh mate repo that is still on your system. YOu may want to double check all your packages and make sure you have the version from wheezy. |
| 08:26.42 | dz2 | i put that in there ages ago |
| 08:26.50 | ompaul | dz2: and today you pay for it :) |
| 08:27.13 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 08:27.14 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 08:27.16 | somiaj | though the bug reporst on evolution it seems to crash/have various issues and might want another email client. (: |
| 08:27.31 | ompaul | dz2: so there are things you can do, and they will take you a little time |
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| 08:28.25 | ompaul | dz2: you can go into your log files, /var/log/apt/ and go though the history grepping for every line that has mate in it |
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| 08:28.39 | ompaul | you can remove the mate stuff and then reinstall the debian desktop |
| 08:29.24 | ompaul | dz2: frankly this should not be called mixing and matching ... it should be called mixing and mismatching :) |
| 08:30.15 | dz2 | can I just do a dpkg -l |
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| 08:31.22 | dz2 | dpkg -l | grep mate says no packages with mate installed |
| 08:31.22 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep mate says no packages with mate installed |
| 08:31.41 | ompaul | dpkg: and what does that tell you |
| 08:31.42 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, ompaul |
| 08:31.50 | ompaul | good bot :) |
| 08:32.08 | ompaul | dz2: eh there was a reason I said what I said, you don't have the repo enabled |
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| 08:32.40 | ompaul | dz2: and there I'll leave it, btw if somiaj tells you there are bugs - we don't get many complaints about it |
| 08:32.57 | ompaul | dz2: maybe just checking bugs.debian.org will help you |
| 08:33.01 | somiaj | I was just looking at the bug reports, (: |
| 08:33.23 | ompaul | however ... the fact that thing is there you don't / can't know what's where |
| 08:34.01 | somiaj | dz2: try 'aptitude search '~S ~i (!~Awheezy)' |
| 08:34.13 | somiaj | that should list all packages you have installed that are not from the wheezy repo |
| 08:36.06 | dz2 | lots of packages were output |
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| 08:37.43 | somiaj | dz2: try aptitude search '~S ~i !~Odebian' |
| 08:38.04 | somiaj | dz2: that seems to be a better one (note this will list any package that does not come from the current debian archive you have, so it will also list packages which need to be upgraded) |
| 08:38.22 | dz2 | only 1, skype |
| 08:38.52 | dz2 | I don't think this is a case of frankendebian |
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| 08:39.22 | somiaj | need to try to get better error output to see what is going on. Maybe a debuging trace would help but that is kinda out of my experience |
| 08:40.39 | dz2 | i did run i thru gdb but got the same output crashing at line 517 of main.c |
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| 08:41.12 | ompaul | dz2: so paste the whole error into the pastebin |
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| 08:42.25 | dz2 | paste.debian.net/75552 |
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| 08:44.22 | somiaj | dz2: debugging suggestion. Create a new user, and try to run evolution as this new user (so you don't have any old config files floating around). |
| 08:44.39 | ompaul | dz2: it's not an error we see here on debian and really what somiaj just pointed out is a great idea |
| 08:46.17 | dz2 | I tried that, I get the same error |
| 08:46.31 | dz2 | ok I'll try again |
| 08:46.36 | dz2 | brb |
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| 09:06.29 | linux-fox | !tell me about init |
| 09:07.44 | apm1 | dpkg !tell linux-fox about init |
| 09:07.44 | dpkg | apm1: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 09:15.24 | PublicStaticVoid | haha |
| 09:15.27 | PublicStaticVoid | !RTFM |
| 09:15.28 | dpkg | i guess rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 09:15.41 | PublicStaticVoid | Hey people are awake |
| 09:15.56 | PublicStaticVoid | Why is there no Wheezy Iso that will boot in UEFI? |
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| 09:18.21 | wols | PublicStaticVoid: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/index.en.html |
| 09:18.34 | PublicStaticVoid | I have seen it |
| 09:18.42 | PublicStaticVoid | I tried 3 of the latestes images |
| 09:18.48 | PublicStaticVoid | None bot in UEFI mode |
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| 09:18.52 | PublicStaticVoid | Latest |
| 09:18.57 | wols | PublicStaticVoid: no you should not download there but read it |
| 09:19.09 | PublicStaticVoid | ? |
| 09:19.20 | wols | it has text. for people to read |
| 09:19.32 | PublicStaticVoid | Its either you have UEFI bootable media or users have to convert the ISO's manually. |
| 09:19.39 | wols | also: how did you boot? |
| 09:19.46 | wols | yes, debian has UEFI bootable media |
| 09:19.56 | PublicStaticVoid | Where? |
| 09:20.24 | wols | the normal media. please answer the question and read the linked url |
| 09:20.52 | PublicStaticVoid | You didn't ask me a question |
| 09:21.44 | wols | you need to learn about the glyph we call a question mark then... |
| 09:21.56 | wols | how did you create your boot medium then? (this is the 2nd question btw) |
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| 09:22.54 | PublicStaticVoid | My name is not Also |
| 09:23.00 | PublicStaticVoid | you used a : |
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| 09:23.08 | PublicStaticVoid | Denoting a name preceeding.. |
| 09:23.20 | PublicStaticVoid | Standard IRC notation. |
| 09:23.36 | fnoyanisi | hi all. I am following the approach given section 4.3.1 here to write iso image into usb. I have the files visible in the usb, but I cannot boot from the usb disk |
| 09:23.36 | fnoyanisi | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 09:24.02 | PublicStaticVoid | I used dd failed, I used rufus, failed, I used unetbootin failed... |
| 09:24.02 | wols | PublicStaticVoid: since you only want to rant but no help: good luck to you and have a nice day |
| 09:24.17 | PublicStaticVoid | Cause none of the media is UEFI bootable. |
| 09:24.20 | wols | fnoyanisi: what command did you use to create the usb stick |
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| 09:24.34 | PublicStaticVoid | in dd? |
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| 09:24.45 | PublicStaticVoid | cause the other two are GUI apps |
| 09:25.02 | wols | fnoyanisi: and what file(s) do you see on the usb stick? |
| 09:25.17 | fnoyanisi | wols : simply co xxx.iso /dev/sdb1 |
| 09:25.25 | PublicStaticVoid | The ones that were extracted from the ISO |
| 09:25.34 | PublicStaticVoid | look the media boots fine in Legacy Bios mode |
| 09:25.35 | wols | fnoyanisi: that was wrong. you should have used /dev/sdb |
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| 09:25.57 | PublicStaticVoid | just not bootable in UEFI mode |
| 09:26.02 | wols | PublicStaticVoid: I do not support you anymore. only fnoyanisi. as I wrote above above: have a nice day. |
| 09:26.03 | PublicStaticVoid | None of it. |
| 09:26.18 | PublicStaticVoid | Cause you have no idea what you are talking about. |
| 09:26.24 | PublicStaticVoid | And you were being pompus. |
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| 09:26.59 | PublicStaticVoid | None of your media supports UEFI booting. I have created many USB Linux installers.. I know when they are BIOS mode only. |
| 09:27.04 | wols | PublicStaticVoid: I'm not calling you a whiny brat either, even when you are, do I? but enough banter |
| 09:27.18 | PublicStaticVoid | And every SINGLE Debian Wheezy image on your site is not bootable in UEFI mode. |
| 09:27.34 | wols | PublicStaticVoid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnTj6_kDIeg this seems show otherwise |
| 09:27.36 | fnoyanisi | wols : I did so, let me try once more |
| 09:27.37 | fnoyanisi | thanks |
| 09:27.49 | PublicStaticVoid | I am not a whiny brat, you are a pompus arrogant uneducated fool. |
| 09:28.06 | wols | fridmarr: /dev/sdb, NOT sdb1. and all the data on the usb stick will be gone |
| 09:28.17 | PublicStaticVoid | You have yet to show me a single image hat is bootable in UEFI mode |
| 09:28.32 | PublicStaticVoid | or ANY documentation that even says your media supports it. |
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| 09:30.32 | PublicStaticVoid | wols: So you are just talk? |
| 09:30.44 | forcer | PublicStaticVoid: Could you please move your whining out of the channel? |
| 09:30.53 | wols | PublicStaticVoid: please stop highlighting me. thank you |
| 09:31.18 | PublicStaticVoid | wols: try !ignore |
| 09:31.28 | PublicStaticVoid | forcer: I am here for support, thanks. |
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| 09:31.38 | PublicStaticVoid | Sorry wols decided to be a prick for no reson. |
| 09:31.45 | PublicStaticVoid | reason* |
| 09:32.00 | Deeps | PublicStaticVoid: the link wols pointed you before indicated that there's a known issue with using UEFI booting with amd64, which is still being investigated. You may be hitting this |
| 09:32.17 | Deeps | PublicStaticVoid: it would also suggest that there is UEFI booting bits included in the ISO |
| 09:32.50 | Deeps | PublicStaticVoid: as for why it doesn't work for you, I'm afraid I'm not much help. I spent about an hour battling with a win7 iso trying to understand UEFI booting, and opted to just switch back to legacy mode as I haven't gotten my head around UEFI still |
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| 09:33.04 | PublicStaticVoid | So the media doesnt support UEFI booting in short, since any machine that has UEFI would be 64bit. |
| 09:33.20 | klys | mebby I'm just being a nut though I don't think debian should waste it's time supporting uefi. |
| 09:33.28 | Deeps | PublicStaticVoid: that's not at all what I said, and not what the website says either, but you're welcome to reach your own conclusions |
| 09:33.32 | wols | klys: there is no choice |
| 09:33.48 | wols | klys: sooner or later, probably sooner, BIOS legacy mode is gone |
| 09:33.57 | Deeps | indeed |
| 09:34.00 | klys | wols: "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance." |
| 09:34.06 | PublicStaticVoid | klys: That is nutty, since all machines are coming with UEFI now and will being phasing out Legacy Bios compatibility withing 5 years. |
| 09:34.37 | wols | klys: intel,phoenix,ami don't give a fuck about that. they will produce UEFI hardware only. |
| 09:34.42 | PublicStaticVoid | Guess I said what wols already said. |
| 09:35.06 | PublicStaticVoid | UEFI is good anyways |
| 09:35.09 | Deeps | klys: I agree with you, but ultimately, I'd rather still be able to use debian on commodity hardware, as per what wols is saying |
| 09:35.26 | PublicStaticVoid | If you had lots of 3TB disks like me, you would want to use it. |
| 09:35.31 | Deeps | eitherway, i think we're heading into #debian-offtopic territory |
| 09:35.36 | klys | wols: so, get involved with a bios standards group and support devices that conform to open standards. Or lose your freedom. |
| 09:35.40 | wols | klys: if you want freedom, you will need to run a x60 thinkpad. do you know how old this is? |
| 09:36.08 | PublicStaticVoid | Anyways, is there a work around. I do not want ti run Ubuntu. |
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| 09:36.15 | klys | do I know how old a thinkpad is. nice try |
| 09:36.22 | Deeps | :> |
| 09:36.28 | wols | klys: the x60 thinkpad |
| 09:36.31 | Deeps | !offtopic |
| 09:36.31 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 09:37.29 | Deeps | PublicStaticVoid: as per the link wols sent you to, the recommended workaround is to disable UEFI |
| 09:37.43 | PublicStaticVoid | That paragraph says if it doesnt work use Legacy Bios Compatibilty mode.. which isn't an option |
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| 09:37.52 | PublicStaticVoid | I have other OS's installed. |
| 09:38.00 | PublicStaticVoid | and I use 3TB drives |
| 09:38.23 | Deeps | I'm not sure what the relevance of 3TB drives is (I use 4TB drives myself), but I'm not sure what else to suggest |
| 09:38.36 | PublicStaticVoid | How is it that the 4 other grub-efi based boot mediums I have used boot fine.. if this is a grub-efi issue? |
| 09:38.53 | PublicStaticVoid | Deeps: You should read up on the main advantages of UEFI |
| 09:38.56 | Deeps | A quick look on google indicates that there may be a way to use some files from the ubuntu installer to make your own debian usb installer, but I have no idea how well this will work, or what other issues may come around from it |
| 09:39.04 | PublicStaticVoid | has a lot to do with drive larger than 2TB |
| 09:39.18 | wols | Deeps: 3TB disks mandate GPT. windows will only use GPT when using UEFI also, and only MBR if using legacy |
| 09:39.32 | PublicStaticVoid | So the devs don't see this as a major issue? |
| 09:39.59 | Deeps | PublicStaticVoid: I believe the issue is not being able to tie down where the problem is. As per the page, again, there is a request for people who are experiencing these issues to file a bug |
| 09:40.17 | PublicStaticVoid | I have filed a bug |
| 09:40.26 | Deeps | good stuff! |
| 09:40.29 | PublicStaticVoid | Although I can't using the commmand line method |
| 09:40.36 | PublicStaticVoid | I did via the web page |
| 09:40.51 | PublicStaticVoid | I really do not want to build my own installer |
| 09:40.56 | Deeps | http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=309464 was the page I found, but no idea if it'll work |
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| 09:41.06 | Deeps | Standard disclaimer, use at your own risk, etc. |
| 09:41.11 | PublicStaticVoid | But I am guessing all I need to do is use my Ubuntu USB installer and replace all the data on the drive |
| 09:42.00 | PublicStaticVoid | Then I have to hope that the installers method of installing a bootloader wont brek my windows or ESP either. |
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| 09:42.07 | PublicStaticVoid | break |
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| 09:42.27 | Deeps | wols: aah, I think the difference is I'm using 2TB disks for my OS's, and only using >2TB for storage |
| 09:42.39 | wols | Deeps: probably. data disks have no problem |
| 09:43.06 | Deeps | PublicStaticVoid: as with all things IT related, you're best served having regular reliable backups. Especially before undetaking anything risky |
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| 09:43.31 | PublicStaticVoid | Gee thanks |
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| 09:44.23 | Deeps | PublicStaticVoid: I suspect sarcasm, but you'd be surprised how many people don't even think about making a backup, and then get upset when they've taken IRC advice, done something potentially risky and then (to a certain degree, rightfully) complained |
| 09:44.27 | wols | wonders if there is any VM software with uses UEFI to boot |
| 09:44.56 | Deeps | wols: I think VMware supports UEFI VMs |
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| 09:46.07 | xingu | wols: less of an issue there, the vhd and hdd geometries are decoupled |
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| 09:46.35 | wols | xingu: the point is to try and play with UEFI, booting, dual booting, etc without any problmes Deeps mentioned above |
| 09:46.41 | xingu | aah |
| 09:46.51 | PublicStaticVoid | yup |
| 09:46.59 | person_ | (Debian unstable). If I try to remove emacs24 apt will forcefully install emacs23. If I try to remove that, apt will install emacs24 again. How do I get rid of it? |
| 09:47.05 | person_ | I want to compile it from source |
| 09:47.20 | PublicStaticVoid | Maybe Ubuntu Devs and Debian Devs should collab.. Get your media bootable on UEFI |
| 09:47.33 | xingu | wols: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/OVMF |
| 09:47.34 | wols | !tell person_ about equivs |
| 09:47.40 | PublicStaticVoid | Since Ubuntu came from Debian hehe, and stole all those good devs we had back in the day |
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| 09:48.26 | PublicStaticVoid | Not to say we don't have amazing developers now. |
| 09:48.27 | klys | is there conflict between th debian free software guidelines and supporting uefi bios ? |
| 09:48.29 | wols | xingu: thanks. look sinteresting |
| 09:48.44 | wols | klys: mainly secureboot. but that's a biggie |
| 09:48.50 | PublicStaticVoid | klys: Not that I am aware of.. |
| 09:49.05 | PublicStaticVoid | Most people just disable Secure boot |
| 09:49.14 | PublicStaticVoid | Or get certified |
| 09:49.21 | PublicStaticVoid | I think Ubuntu got certified |
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| 09:49.37 | wols | person_: you should however create a deb for emacs by getting the debian emacs source and compiling it |
| 09:49.50 | wols | person_: equivs is a quick+dirty last ditch effort |
| 09:50.30 | person_ | but why does apt force me to have emacs installed in the first place? It's not really necessary is it? |
| 09:50.44 | wols | person_: something you have installed wants it as a dependency |
| 09:50.47 | PublicStaticVoid | Its a dependency |
| 09:50.59 | person_ | can't I find out what depends on it? |
| 09:51.00 | PublicStaticVoid | You can check using |
| 09:51.03 | PublicStaticVoid | Uhmm |
| 09:51.12 | PublicStaticVoid | dependson or something |
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| 09:51.41 | dz2 | What is a good appointments calendar? |
| 09:51.44 | wols | person_: what is the output if you do a "apt-get remove" for emacs? |
| 09:51.53 | PublicStaticVoid | I can't remeber.. there is something you can do with dpkg to se what a package is a dependency for |
| 09:52.05 | Deeps | klys: I suspect UEFI is ok, but I'd be suprised if secure boot was ok |
| 09:52.07 | forcer | person_: aptitude -q -F %p search '~i ~Ddepends:emacs' |
| 09:52.22 | PublicStaticVoid | yeah that |
| 09:52.31 | PublicStaticVoid | but you can do it with dpkg as well |
| 09:52.40 | PublicStaticVoid | I just can't remeber how |
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| 09:53.53 | joj | PublicStaticVoid: apt-cache rdepends $PACKAGE |
| 09:54.12 | PublicStaticVoid | There we go |
| 09:54.23 | person_ | thanks forcer I got it now |
| 09:56.10 | PublicStaticVoid | I am curious what depended on it now.. |
| 09:56.19 | PublicStaticVoid | I am sad.. I am stuck with Ubuntu :( |
| 09:56.24 | PublicStaticVoid | I wanna be on Sid |
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| 09:57.16 | NMJerry | Hi |
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| 09:59.41 | PublicStaticVoid | I bet I can convert my Ubuntu 14.04 install to a Sid install manually.\ |
| 09:59.47 | PublicStaticVoid | Shouldnt even be that hard. |
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| 10:02.04 | klys | publicstaticvoid: do you have the cinnamon package installed |
| 10:02.09 | klys | nm. |
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| 10:03.32 | person_ | nice, now elpa.gnu.org is down >:( |
| 10:03.34 | NMJerry | Klys u addressing me? |
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| 10:06.09 | dz2 | so what are my options with this evolution crash problem? |
| 10:06.36 | NMJerry | Good question |
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| 10:07.36 | dz2 | paste.debian.net/75552 |
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| 10:08.25 | eject_ck | During install I've entered ash, how can I run installer again? |
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| 10:08.30 | klys | nmjerry do you ? |
| 10:09.22 | NMJerry | Pardon. Do iwhat? |
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| 10:10.11 | joj | eject_ck: wouldn't that have been dash rather than plain ash? |
| 10:10.21 | klys | mnjerry do you have the package cinnamon installed...? |
| 10:10.27 | klys | nmjerry |
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| 10:10.46 | NMJerry | No never tried it |
| 10:10.50 | joj | eject_ck: so the package name would be dash. the ash package exists but PreDepends: dash, so you get dash either way |
| 10:10.53 | klys | nmjerry: nm. |
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| 10:11.01 | NMJerry | Use mainly kde |
| 10:11.10 | eject_ck | during install I need to mount iso, so I've used - return to shell |
| 10:11.24 | NMJerry | I in NM |
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| 10:11.33 | eject_ck | Now I want continue install after iso is mounted |
| 10:11.36 | klys | "never mind." |
| 10:11.47 | NMJerry | Ahh ok |
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| 10:12.25 | eject_ck | how start installer again ? |
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| 10:12.46 | joj | eject_ck: the installer uses busybox, no separate shell. @install restart: sorry, I don't know |
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| 10:13.08 | NMJerry | Has any one tried putting debian on their android? |
| 10:13.12 | joj | eject_ck: you might try to `exit` from the prompt? |
| 10:13.21 | eject_ck | let me see |
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| 10:13.51 | eject_ck | :-D |
| 10:13.55 | eject_ck | works! |
| 10:14.01 | eject_ck | joj, thanks! |
| 10:14.05 | joj | eject_ck: np |
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| 10:15.22 | klys | nmjerry: I had debian on android, though not a recent device. "WonderMedia WM8650." |
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| 10:15.42 | klys | ...just I wouldn't get it again because it overheats. |
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| 10:17.14 | NMJerry | I tried complete linux install app. Free version just incomplete instructions |
| 10:17.28 | NMJerry | Also coud |
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| 10:18.37 | NMJerry | Nt get small or large image to download from sourceforge to download fully |
| 10:18.40 | klys | nmjerry: I had installed the packages individually with `dpkg -x'. I had installed dpkg with `ar xv' and `tar zxpvf'. |
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| 10:21.45 | NMJerry | I did get every thing installed for arch core. But havent rooted fone nor know the lauch command |
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| 10:24.24 | NMJerry | I will keep learnibg till i can get debian on |
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| 10:32.36 | klys | nmjerry I can't help you root your phone...my only advice though is check the permissions on your init scripts. |
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| 10:34.18 | NMJerry | Cool. Im going to takle rootn as that i think is the next hang up. |
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| 10:35.17 | NMJerry | I developing an android app but i still not completely familiar with android |
| 10:35.42 | NMJerry | Or the sdk |
| 10:36.59 | NMJerry | My primary internet conect through a wifi phone. Haaha |
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| 10:38.57 | NMJerry | I would like to get deb on my phone though so im sidetrackn |
| 10:40.07 | wols | what is the point of a debian chroot on a phone? |
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| 10:41.49 | NMJerry | Nver know when you might need low power computer. U can stick it in your pocket |
| 10:42.07 | klys | for me part of it was netbeans. that was before I read the android sdk's license agreement and backed out. gcc was another reason. |
| 10:42.07 | NMJerry | My fone has hdmi out too |
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| 10:44.00 | NMJerry | Havent tried it yet |
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| 10:44.51 | NMJerry | Wht part of licence scared u off klys? |
| 10:46.12 | NMJerry | Maybe cyanogen has diff license |
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| 10:47.36 | babilen | NMJerry: Are you maybe looking for #debian-offtopic or #cyanogen ? |
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| 10:47.54 | babilen | (or was it #cyanogenmod?) |
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| 10:49.47 | NMJerry | Been using it since v2 never been here befote. Hard up for inter.et till recently |
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| 10:58.21 | NMJerry | Until lately. My neighbor just got dsl |
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| 10:58.58 | jwww_ | got get a fix NMJerry . |
| 10:59.30 | NMJerry | I live out in sticks so i ha e had to batch my sessions |
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| 11:01.11 | NMJerry | Lol |
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| 11:19.13 | devurandom | Hello! |
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| 11:21.10 | devurandom | I would like to create specifically tailored bootable USB pen, which contains just enough to start an X server with my own program. Can someone please point me to a tutorial about this? Googling for this I got a bit lost in howtos about getting the Debian installer CD on an USB pen. |
| 11:23.28 | NMJerry | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.20 | NMJerry | U probably have to install it into an image |
| 11:25.18 | wols | devurandom: http://live.debian.net/manual/stable/html/live-manual.en.html |
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| 11:29.44 | devurandom | wols: Thanks! |
| 11:29.49 | devurandom | NMJerry: Thanks, too! |
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| 11:30.40 | NMJerry | U welcome. Wols came through |
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| 11:31.36 | kikimeter | hi |
| 11:31.47 | NMJerry | Hi kiki |
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| 11:31.54 | kikimeter | should my servers have their timezone set to UTC? |
| 11:32.17 | kikimeter | I put a web app on |
| 11:32.23 | NMJerry | Id say yes |
| 11:33.10 | kikimeter | ok |
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| 11:33.38 | kikimeter | is there a doc who explain how to set up my server timezone to UTC ? |
| 11:33.42 | kikimeter | on debian |
| 11:33.47 | NMJerry | You can make a script to convert to local if u need it |
| 11:34.01 | kikimeter | I will make a script yes |
| 11:34.17 | kikimeter | certainly put it in my fabric setup |
| 11:34.18 | frostschutz | kikimeter, I set regular timezone on my servers like on any other box, I don't see why it should be a problem. If a web app you installed can't handle it, the web app sucks. If it's PHP, you may have to set timezone in php.ini |
| 11:34.22 | NMJerry | I think the installer should ask you |
| 11:34.55 | kikimeter | I have a django app, set my timezone in UTC in my settings |
| 11:35.16 | kikimeter | all my date in my database are save in UTC |
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| 11:35.48 | kikimeter | but for the log frostschutz, i like to see all my server |
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| 11:35.59 | kikimeter | in north america and in ireland side |
| 11:36.03 | kikimeter | to have the same date |
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| 11:36.16 | kikimeter | I'm asking, is it a good idea ? |
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| 11:37.02 | NMJerry | It seem obviouus that if one time needed for 2 zones utc is choice |
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| 11:47.17 | andy1978 | I think there is a bug in libfltk1.3-dev because the constructors of Fl_Double_Window are not in libfltk.so.1.3. (nm -C -D libfltk.so.1.3 |grep Double_Window::) |
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| 11:48.42 | andy1978 | they are there is I compile 1.3.2 from upstream. I tried to figure out why and made a "apt-get source fltk1.3-dev" but all the *.symbols in /debian really confuses me |
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| 11:50.07 | NMJerry | Im surprised it the lib compiles wo constructors. |
| 11:51.09 | NMJerry | They are surely there even if empty. Perhaps u need yo overide them |
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| 11:51.33 | NMJerry | I dont know that lib though |
| 11:52.18 | andy1978 | NMJerry: if I compile 1.3.2 from upstream sources, I see them with "nm -C -D libfltk.so.1.3 |grep Double_Window::" |
| 11:52.35 | andy1978 | its libfltk1.3 |
| 11:53.33 | NMJerry | Does the bin deb for that lib work? |
| 11:54.04 | andy1978 | please explain "bin deb" |
| 11:54.16 | NMJerry | Pre compiled |
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| 11:54.56 | andy1978 | ah no, it doesn't |
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| 11:57.39 | NMJerry | Mayne you should disassemble the precompiled and see if you can see it. It sounds hairy otherwise id query the maintainer |
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| 11:58.58 | NMJerry | Is there any package u have that uses that lib to see if it works |
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| 11:59.40 | jimcooncat | On wheezy xfce: how to tell when USB drive is safe to eject? |
| 11:59.46 | andy1978 | this is the precompiled lib /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu$ nm -C -D libfltk.so.1.3 |grep Double_W http://paste.debian.net/75567/ |
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| 12:01.31 | andy1978 | NMJerry: Do you know what these *.symbols are in /debian ? |
| 12:01.55 | NMJerry | Some one said apt-cache depends. To find said package |
| 12:02.03 | andy1978 | I really don't know how the debian packaging of shared libraries work so its hard for me |
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| 12:05.23 | andy1978 | NMJerry: I think its difficult to find an app which uses a Fl_Double_Window instead of Fl_Single_Window or Fl_OVerlay_Window but I'll search with apt-rdepends |
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| 12:06.48 | wingrime | hello, can I ask something about some buggy behavior of kde in wheezy? |
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| 12:08.15 | NMJerry | U can |
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| 12:09.47 | wingrime | some time kde related apps start takes very long |
| 12:10.03 | wingrime | time |
| 12:11.02 | NMJerry | A lot of things running and a lot to do. Does it work? |
| 12:11.15 | wingrime | no,no,no |
| 12:11.25 | wingrime | I not mean thats CPU related |
| 12:11.39 | wingrime | I mean that dbus related something... |
| 12:11.52 | themill | is your loopback network interface up and configured |
| 12:12.22 | wingrime | themill: yes |
| 12:12.55 | NMJerry | Maybe. You can try tenicing your dbus dsemon or check what else you running.kde big |
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| 12:14.05 | wingrime | NMJerry: Any application , that use kdelibs before start wait aprox 60 sec, also copy/move operations using dolphin behaves so |
| 12:14.08 | themill | wingrime: does this slowness persist across reboots? |
| 12:14.14 | NMJerry | Renice that is. |
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| 12:15.02 | NMJerry | That does sou d like a long time |
| 12:15.17 | phogg | timeout waiting on name resolution? I've had things become strangely slow for that reason.... |
| 12:15.22 | jimcooncat | how can I tell if a usb drive is currently being written to? |
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| 12:16.32 | themill | jimcooncat: if you run "sync" and it doesn't come back immediately -- crude but effective. |
| 12:16.52 | wingrime | themill: thats looks strange, reboot helps, but not always, PC work normaly after some boot, or not... |
| 12:16.58 | jimcooncat | thanks themill |
| 12:17.01 | Gregor2 | hi |
| 12:17.10 | NMJerry | I think procinfo maybe |
| 12:17.12 | Gregor2 | can someone tell me how to make a own domain? |
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| 12:17.24 | themill | wingrime: might be worth asking #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net as they may have some further ideas. |
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| 12:17.55 | nevyn | Gregor2: you buy them from a registrar |
| 12:18.04 | wingrime | themill: yeax, good point thanks |
| 12:18.15 | Gregor2 | and if i have only lan |
| 12:18.30 | nevyn | use .local it's reserved. |
| 12:18.39 | Gregor2 | not connected to the internet and want to have a domain there |
| 12:18.40 | NMJerry | Your computer is your domain. Haha |
| 12:18.47 | Gregor2 | i have to make a dns server? |
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| 12:19.25 | NMJerry | You dont need a outfacing domain for that |
| 12:19.36 | Gregor2 | and if you type a domain in the browser it asks a dns server for the ip right? |
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| 12:20.14 | NMJerry | Right just install bind on your router |
| 12:20.23 | phogg | Gregor2: start small, just edit /etc/hosts |
| 12:20.29 | Gregor2 | but where gets the browser the ip of the dns server? |
| 12:20.34 | andy1978 | NMJerry: Even the double_window example which comes with the -doc doesn't link. I'll write a bug report. thank you for your help |
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| 12:20.46 | phogg | Gregor2: from /etc/resolv.conf (ultimately) |
| 12:21.00 | NMJerry | Sorry i no real help |
| 12:21.07 | edakiri | Gregor2: order of consultation for resolving names is seen in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 12:21.09 | themill | Gregor2: if this is for your own private network at home, then install avahi and use mdns for this in the .local domain. No configuration is necessary. |
| 12:21.35 | edakiri | nsswitch.conf for when to do DNS. resolv.conf for which DNS to use. |
| 12:21.38 | phogg | Gregor2: the browser just makes a library call. man nsswitch.conf, man gethostbyname |
| 12:21.43 | Gregor2 | this was only an axample! |
| 12:22.45 | Gregor2 | so the ip of the dns servers is in this file? |
| 12:22.46 | NMJerry | Just install a dns |
| 12:23.26 | NMJerry | Resolve conf |
| 12:23.37 | Gregor2 | and if i make a dns server myself noone can access it because the ip stands in noones resolf.conf? |
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| 12:24.15 | Gregor2 | and those dns servers are officially and will never change? |
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| 12:24.42 | atari314 | Does running apps under a chroot env add too much memory overhead to it? |
| 12:24.45 | NMJerry | They typically update automatically |
| 12:25.12 | Gregor2 | but what if i want to make my own dns server? |
| 12:25.16 | Gregor2 | for the internet? |
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| 12:25.28 | NMJerry | Install one |
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| 12:25.52 | phogg | Gregor2: whether someone else can access your DNS server depends on how you configure it and where it's located, not just whether someone tries to use it |
| 12:25.54 | Gregor2 | and what happens if i register a domain named www.google.com on my dns server? |
| 12:26.18 | phogg | Gregor2: anyone connecting to it will get whatever IP you tell them is related. |
| 12:26.19 | koell | Gregor2: u own google :D |
| 12:26.33 | themill | atari314: I can't imagine that it would |
| 12:26.34 | Gregor2 | i dont think that! |
| 12:26.35 | NMJerry | No will use your dns |
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| 12:26.54 | Gregor2 | That would be easy! |
| 12:27.02 | atari314 | themill, tks :) |
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| 12:28.20 | NMJerry | People do that to control where people go in their domain |
| 12:28.36 | NMJerry | It effects no else |
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| 12:29.05 | Gregor2 | so if i have a dns server and a domain running on it and someone types that domain in his browser, |
| 12:29.34 | Gregor2 | the ip of my dns server has to be written in his resolf.conf file? |
| 12:29.38 | Gregor2 | right? |
| 12:29.42 | phogg | Gregor2: domain's don;t "run on" dns servers |
| 12:29.50 | NMJerry | U got it backwards the dns runs on your domain |
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| 12:29.53 | Gregor2 | what than? |
| 12:30.07 | phogg | Gregor2: a DNS server merely reports the IP for a given name |
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| 12:30.29 | phogg | Gregor2: the host corresponding to the IP does everything else |
| 12:31.46 | phogg | Gregor2: but otherwise yes. Your DNS server's IP is written in to the client's resolv.conf. WHen the client asks to resolve a name it talks to the DNS IP and gets another IP back, which is reported to the program that asked for the resolution. |
| 12:31.57 | phogg | Gregor2: which will then connect to the IP and do whatever it wants |
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| 12:32.32 | NMJerry | Oooh |
| 12:32.34 | phogg | Gregor2: but surely there are better places on the internet to get a basic DNS tutorial |
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| 12:33.02 | Gregor2 | and i cant run my own dns server because i would have to type my ip in everyones resolv.conf? |
| 12:33.03 | koell | how to ping my brothers android hotspot dead? he's always usin it without encryption! O_o |
| 12:33.25 | brofessor | hey guys, anyone having any package conflict issues with 7.3 amd64 netinstall today? |
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| 12:33.38 | NMJerry | Ping it |
| 12:33.51 | phogg | Gregor2: you can run it, it just won't be used by anyone else |
| 12:34.08 | edakiri | Gregor2: the Linux Network Administration Guide is helpfull to understand. |
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| 12:35.11 | koell | NMJerry: thats all? |
| 12:35.17 | themill | brofessor: unlikely -- perhaps you could ask your real question and give us some more details ;) |
| 12:35.31 | NMJerry | Look at ping man page |
| 12:36.08 | Gregor2 | i wanted to make a domain for my pc because i have a dynamic ip! |
| 12:36.24 | koell | NMJerry: so thats the answer to noobs like me -.- |
| 12:36.52 | NMJerry | Theres option about repining |
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| 12:37.34 | themill | Gregor2: you probably want something like dyndns or no-ip instead |
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| 12:37.46 | brofessor | themill: installer failed to install gnome desktop, reporting conflict issues w/ java headless (i think).. i'm rerunning it using different mirror now... |
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| 12:38.56 | Gregor2 | yes i think so! |
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| 13:02.58 | bl4ckdu5t | USB devices do not appear in my virtualization software(vmware and vbox). I feel there must be some configuration that has to be done. Does anyone have an idea |
| 13:04.57 | ompaul | bl4ckdu5t: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=33944#p33944 |
| 13:05.03 | Aku506 | Is there any way to change my ext4 partition with whole Ubuntu to /home of Debian without moving files away and formating it? (If I install Debian to different partition) I think this isn't but just to be sure. |
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| 13:08.25 | ompaul | Aku506: the what now? you have currently an install of "notdebian" and you want to do what? -0 you can just copy it to some other partition within debian, but using / mixing distros that use /home - bad idea - some versions won't play well with settings from the future |
| 13:09.06 | ompaul | Aku506: so short answer no, long answer, copy the data make use of pure data but not /home settings |
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| 13:12.20 | Aku506 | I'm gonna remove my "notdebian". I just thought if I could save time If I hadn't to copy all my files back to my computer from my externall harddrive. |
| 13:13.39 | ompaul | just copy your data |
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| 13:13.58 | ompaul | Aku506: also make a /data for non system dependent files |
| 13:14.11 | bl4ckdu5t | ompaul: I think I'm on a recent version of virtualbox. It also doesn't work on my vmware and this was not the same when I was on Ubunt |
| 13:14.17 | bl4ckdu5t | *Ubuntu |
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| 13:15.36 | ompaul | bl4ckdu5t: it matters not what the $notdebian is |
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| 13:16.06 | ompaul | bl4ckdu5t: you could bring stuff so you can check it - mutt settings or something like that but generic drop offs bad idea |
| 13:17.26 | yecso | how to I check an ISO file's integrity? (of which I don't have a checksum...) |
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| 13:19.33 | ompaul | yecso: you find a checksum and compare it |
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| 13:19.56 | ompaul | you generate known good one and then you compare it with what you have |
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| 13:20.06 | freestate | hi |
| 13:20.07 | yecso | ompaul: I want to check the integrity of ISOs of which checksums are never even published |
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| 13:20.29 | themill | yecso: what does "integrity" mean in this context? |
| 13:20.40 | yecso | themill, ompaul: doesn't an ISO have in itself some metadata which could be checked against the containing files? |
| 13:21.23 | ompaul | doesn't have to afik |
| 13:21.26 | themill | no more than any other filesystem (that I'm aware of, at least) |
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| 13:22.00 | ompaul | that would be a not iso burned then ... because this metadata is not there to start with |
| 13:22.08 | ompaul | so you got more burned than you want |
| 13:22.27 | bw_ | hm, vgdisplay and pvs shows my volumegroup but i can't find an entry in /dev/ any hints? |
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| 13:23.18 | TomasCZ | Question: I know about mirror sizes for each architecture from a web, but I am not convinced this number would be same if I would want to mirror amd64 testing only. Anyone knows size? |
| 13:23.47 | yecso | ompaul, themill: makes sense |
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| 13:25.40 | TomasCZ | would it refrect for the most part same as size of debian CD's or DVD's ? |
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| 13:33.02 | ompaul | TomasCZ: perhaps you m |
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| 13:33.19 | ompaul | TomasCZ: perhaps you might ask that again |
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| 13:52.50 | TomasCZ | alright |
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| 14:05.51 | linuxthefish | why the hell does the installer disable all the sources? |
| 14:05.58 | linuxthefish | E: Package 'build-essential' has no installation candidate |
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| 14:06.35 | nkuttler | linuxthefish: you had no network connection during install? |
| 14:07.00 | linuxthefish | i did, but i had to log into some web thing first, so it thought i didn't have a connection... |
| 14:07.14 | nkuttler | linuxthefish: well, just fix it then |
| 14:07.25 | linuxthefish | i have connection now... |
| 14:07.38 | linuxthefish | but after uncommenting the sources it says 99% [Waiting for headers] |
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| 14:07.48 | nkuttler | huh? |
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| 14:09.21 | linuxthefish | on apt-get update, and even still gives an error about no installation candidate... |
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| 14:10.14 | nkuttler | linuxthefish: paste.debian.net, your sources.list, and output of apt-get upgrade |
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| 14:11.14 | nkuttler | linuxthefish: er, apt-get update |
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| 14:12.32 | linuxthefish | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/plain/75577 for the first one |
| 14:12.37 | maxorator | hmm, if I want to build sources in user A's home dir and deploy to user B's home dir so that user B doesn't have access to user A's home dir, do I have to deploy it first into B's home dir without execute privileges, then make a copy as user B into a file he owns? |
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| 14:16.02 | nkuttler | linuxthefish: you only have a security line, you need a regular repo as well |
| 14:16.05 | linuxthefish | and nkuttle http://paste.debian.net/plain/75580 |
| 14:16.06 | nkuttler | !tell linuxthefish about sources.list |
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| 14:16.46 | nkuttler | linuxthefish: the security repo only has security updates, not all packages |
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| 14:16.53 | andy1978 | linuxthefish: where are you located? Please see https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 14:17.44 | andy1978 | linuxthefish: you should also add something like "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" to your sources |
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| 14:19.07 | linuxthefish | i used a sources generator, i think this has everything? http://paste.debian.net/plain/75582 |
| 14:19.34 | andy1978 | looks good to me |
| 14:19.57 | andy1978 | i don't like the "non-free" part but.... :-D |
| 14:20.19 | dvs | why squeeze? |
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| 14:21.39 | linuxthefish | dvs: it's a remote thin client as a server, so anything that might break it is bad :p |
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| 14:22.03 | linuxthefish | and "W: Failed to fetch http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/oldstable/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 206.12.19.126 80]" :S |
| 14:22.31 | nkuttler | linuxthefish: you don't need archive anyway |
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| 14:24.05 | linuxthefish | does anyone here with debian 6 32 bit have a defualt sources.list? :( |
| 14:24.19 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell linuxthefish about squeeze sources.list |
| 14:24.33 | dvs | !squeeze sources.list |
| 14:24.34 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze/updates> <squeeze-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 14:24.39 | dvs | oops |
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| 14:26.55 | gnu-man | Hi! |
| 14:27.02 | gnu-man | What part of debian installer is responsible for locale generation? |
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| 14:27.23 | bl4ckdu5t | !tell me about gnome |
| 14:27.34 | gnu-man | It is not mentioned in the doc: https://wiki.debian.org/ConfigPackages |
| 14:27.42 | jelly-home | bl4ckdu5t: use /msg dpkg gnome instead of a !tell me |
| 14:27.45 | gnu-man | But some part of installer must generate the locales. |
| 14:28.48 | nkuttler | gnu-man: something probably calls locale-gen |
| 14:28.48 | linuxthefish | woo fixed! thanks all :) |
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| 14:29.59 | fryck_ | Hello |
| 14:30.27 | gnu-man | nkuttler: right. And what part could that be? A script? A hook script? |
| 14:31.30 | nkuttler | gnu-man: no idea, don't care :) |
| 14:31.34 | nkuttler | !tell gnu-man about debian-boot |
| 14:31.40 | nkuttler | !tell gnu-man about #debian-boot |
| 14:31.43 | nkuttler | ffs.. |
| 14:32.21 | fryck_ | I've mounted a cifs windows share (www-data:www-data 777) in /mnt/usbdrive/www (NTFS External hardrive) i've created a symlink /mnt/usbdrive/www -> /var/www/sites, apache don't follow correctly symlink (Symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible: /var/www/sites) |
| 14:32.22 | nkuttler | gnu-man: there should be a #debian-boot channel @ oftc, they should know |
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| 14:34.09 | dvs | linuxthefish: You should look into upgrading because support will run out in May |
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| 14:38.03 | fryck_ | Any idea ? |
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| 14:44.08 | fryck_ | I've mounted a cifs windows share (www-data:www-data 777) in /mnt/usbdrive/www (NTFS External hardrive) i've created a symlink /mnt/usbdrive/www -> /var/www/sites, apache don't follow correctly symlink (Symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible: /var/www/sites) |
| 14:45.53 | dvheumen | fryck_: just a guess, but how are permission bits set on /mnt and /mnt/usbdrive. You need at least execution access on both, I think |
| 14:46.21 | jelly-home | fryck_: provide access to <Directory /mnt/usbdrive/www> and make sure FollowSymlinks is allowed |
| 14:46.21 | dutchfish | fryck_, its outside of apache's root directory, have a peak at /etc/apache2/sites/available in your declarative statements |
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| 14:55.22 | fryck_ | jelly-home, dvheumen, dutchfish: //winip/www /mnt/usbdrive/www cifs dir_mode=0777,file_mode=0777,rw,username=xxxx,password=xxxxx,uid=www-data,gid=www-data |
| 14:55.47 | fryck_ | Options All |
| 14:55.47 | fryck_ | AllowOverride All |
| 14:55.47 | fryck_ | allow from all |
| 14:55.49 | fryck_ | for my vhost |
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| 14:56.40 | fryck_ | Symlink doesn't seem to work with cifs share |
| 14:56.43 | fryck_ | ... |
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| 15:00.52 | dutchfish | fryck_, as jelly-home told you you need at least Options FollowSymLinks Indexes inside your <Directory> statement inside your vhosts apache2 config |
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| 15:05.18 | fryck_ | dutchfish, Options All is not good ? |
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| 15:06.23 | Zap-W | hi |
| 15:06.24 | fryck_ | dutchfish, i added Options FollowSymLinks Indexes, same result |
| 15:06.29 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:07.27 | dutchfish | fryck_, and you reloaded the config into apache2 or restarted it? |
| 15:07.35 | fryck_ | dutchfish, yes, of course |
| 15:08.07 | dutchfish | fryck_, what does the apache2 error log tells you? |
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| 15:08.36 | fryck_ | Symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible: /var/www/sites |
| 15:09.34 | fryck_ | directory /var/www is www-data:www-data 0777 |
| 15:09.50 | dutchfish | fryck_, then your error is most likely into your /etc/apache2/sites/available/somevhost file | probably not correctly done inside the <Directory></Directory> structure |
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| 15:12.05 | dutchfish | fryck_, you need something like this http://paste.debian.net/75594/ |
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| 15:15.15 | fryck_ | dutchfish, i try, same result |
| 15:15.18 | dutchfish | fryck_, double check you syntax ;) |
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| 15:16.34 | fryck_ | dutchfish, i did it :( |
| 15:16.39 | fryck_ | i'll become crazy |
| 15:16.39 | fryck_ | lol |
| 15:17.00 | dutchfish | fryck_, ?, i lost you .... |
| 15:17.34 | amospalla | how can I get, the list of packages which are the base of the system, and should not be marked as dependencies ? |
| 15:17.36 | fryck_ | dutchfish, all my config seem ok, i really think there is a bug with cifs mount on NTFS external drive |
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| 15:17.46 | fryck_ | and apache symlink |
| 15:17.47 | dutchfish | fryck_, debian wheezy? |
| 15:17.59 | fryck_ | dutchfish, raspbian |
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| 15:18.33 | dutchfish | fryck_, cant help you with that, ask #raspbian | fyi it works fine on my Debian wheezy |
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| 15:18.44 | fryck_ | I googled for this problem, some people notice SELinux security problem, i've disabled it |
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| 15:19.58 | dutchfish | fryck_, maybe, just ask them |
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| 15:21.19 | dutchfish | fryck_, also rem you need Directory statements for each and every dir if it is outisde your root path |
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| 15:23.08 | dutchfish | hands ompaul some freshly baked sodabread and a pint of guiness |
| 15:23.12 | dutchfish | oops |
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| 15:33.30 | blumoon | any1 up ? |
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| 15:37.07 | andy1978 | blumoon: sure, just ask |
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| 15:37.48 | jaalkab | Hello guys, any e18 unofficial package around ready to install? |
| 15:37.49 | ph88 | why does debian have 3 dvd's to install ?? |
| 15:38.55 | blumoon | so basically i wanted to know if anyone could review my iptables and i need help implementing ipset dynamic blacklists or should i just use shorewall ? |
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| 15:39.31 | blumoon | ph88: i think its for corporate enviroments where you dont want to connect ur machine to the interwebz before its setup correctly |
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| 15:39.53 | ph88 | my usb key is only 8 GB how do i install debian from there onto my laptop ? |
| 15:40.08 | SirLagz | ph88: dd a DVD iso onto the USB stick ? |
| 15:40.15 | andy1978 | ph88: you don't need all packages |
| 15:40.18 | blumoon | you can use the net distro and install only what you need as well |
| 15:40.24 | jaalkab | Well maybe so many packages in the distro |
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| 15:40.33 | ph88 | ok so what do i do ?? |
| 15:40.36 | andy1978 | ph88: they are arranged so that the most used are on the first cd/dvd |
| 15:40.53 | jaalkab | Well maybe so many packages in the distro |
| 15:40.54 | ph88 | is gnome 3 the standard desktop ? |
| 15:40.56 | andy1978 | ph88: just grab the first DVD/CD or a netinstall image |
| 15:41.29 | jaalkab | And you can choose your favorites |
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| 15:42.02 | ph88 | oki |
| 15:42.09 | ph88 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/bt-dvd/debian-7.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
| 15:42.13 | ph88 | so this one has gnome 3 ? |
| 15:42.23 | ph88 | and latest version |
| 15:42.58 | Belial` | that's the latest dvd iso of wheezy (stable.) |
| 15:43.15 | Belial` | and it will have gnome on it, yes. |
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| 15:46.55 | blumoon | any ideas ? |
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| 15:50.36 | BazGee | http://www.genuitec.me/raffle/?XrExcl |
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| 15:52.43 | fryck | dutchfish, it seem that ".htaccess" file in my document root is not read by apache |
| 15:52.48 | fryck | :s |
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| 15:53.39 | Dudytz | Hi all! I have been download a package source (official gnucash debian package), I have made some changes in the source and successfully build the package ... one question: how to put a prefix to the package version to build with an identifier? like gnucash-2.6.0-1~myname1 ... (where myname1 is my identifer) |
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| 15:57.47 | spudwebb | help with a small problem. I have a usb keyboard and crypto disks. On boot, it seems i can't use my usb keyboard to type in my crypto password because until the disk is unlocked the module is not available. |
| 15:58.44 | spudwebb | do I have to put this module into the kernel? What's the 'debian' way of doing this? I forget though I have done it before. |
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| 16:01.38 | andy1978 | spudwebb: when I had this problem I edabled USB legacy support in the BIOS.. (the quick and lazy way) :-D |
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| 16:03.06 | Dudytz | no responses? |
| 16:03.08 | Dudytz | ok thanks all |
| 16:04.22 | andy1978 | spudwebb: do you have grub installed? does the keyboard works there? |
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| 16:08.48 | FailPowah | Is there some "better then" vnc for debian (as in more secure to view desktop/cli?) |
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| 16:09.44 | NiLon | run it thru ssh tunnel and I don't know if there can be any more secure option |
| 16:09.53 | FailPowah | vnc? |
| 16:10.14 | ompaul | FailPowah: depends on the threat, and the bandwidth available on upload from the server etc. A VPN using OpenVPN is reasonable then you can use an insecure protocol inside the vpn like xdmcp. |
| 16:10.31 | ompaul | or vnc or whatever you want |
| 16:11.05 | FailPowah | ompaul: afaik vnc isnt secure at all. Im planning to install debian as a server, with gnome or kde |
| 16:11.33 | ompaul | FailPowah: so run it inside, but the question is what is the threat |
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| 16:12.49 | FailPowah | ompaul: life? well, im currently run vmware esxi on that computer, but uit keeps hanging and crashing (guessing not to well supported hw), im running some heavy i/o server and iscsi setup for planned backups and being accessible outside over internet (openvpn) |
| 16:13.01 | bl4ckdu5t | Does anyone here play world-of-warcraft on their debian? How can I go about it? |
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| 16:13.45 | skysploit | I'm sure this gets asked a lot... Is there a guide to getting ati drivers up and running properly on the 3.12 kernel? |
| 16:15.18 | ompaul | FailPowah: so really cli and ssh |
| 16:16.36 | ompaul | !ati |
| 16:16.36 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:18.19 | josefig | is there any reason why debian doesnt detect all my server RAM ? should I install a package or something? because my bios does. |
| 16:18.33 | FailPowah | ompaul: i guess |
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| 16:21.14 | HisaoNakai | Hey folks. I was trying to install Debian on a notebook which had three primary partitions - one with Wintendo, one blank, and one with the user's data. For 'an unknown reason' the installer said it couldn't resize the partition (is it because it was NTFS?), so I used the Wintendo built-in partition manager to resize it and make a swap partition. |
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| 16:22.17 | HisaoNakai | Oh, my bad, four primary partitions - the aforementioned three and a wintendo 'system reserved' |
| 16:22.40 | skysploit | !fglrx |
| 16:22.41 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphic processing units. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; ask me about <fglrx legacy> or use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. |
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| 16:23.12 | HisaoNakai | So, no errors there, so I tried the Debian liveboot again, but now the installer refuses to see the new (intended for swap) partition (it comes up and mounts fine in the liveboot otherwise), and the user data partition shows up...empty?! :o Please help :s |
| 16:23.33 | HisaoNakai | (Oh, and it also refuses to boot into Wintendo now...) |
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| 16:30.11 | ompaul | HisaoNakai: what version of the windows world was the box aimed at |
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| 16:30.38 | HisaoNakai | ompaul: box? O_o It was Windows 7 if that's what you mean... |
| 16:30.54 | ompaul | HisaoNakai: it was, that was all I wanted to know. |
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| 16:32.13 | ompaul | HisaoNakai: do with the live cd su - in a terminal and do this "fdisk -l" and pastebin in http://paste.debian.net the output thanks |
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| 16:33.12 | HisaoNakai | ompaul: On it |
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| 16:35.37 | gnu-man | hi |
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| 16:36.00 | gnu-man | So with env -i one can start an application in a pristine environment. However, I only want to null two or three exports, not all of them. |
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| 16:36.07 | gnu-man | Can this be done, using env, too? |
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| 16:37.12 | forcer | gnu-man: --unset=FOO |
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| 16:38.59 | andy1978 | spudwebb: have you found a solution? |
| 16:39.02 | HisaoNakai | ompaul: paste.debian.net/75625/ |
| 16:39.05 | gnu-man | thx |
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| 16:42.33 | ompaul | HisaoNakai: sfs - so what are your plans? |
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| 16:44.33 | bob135 | So I dual-boot windows and debian. Debian will only see the wifi if I boot into Windows first. |
| 16:45.01 | andy1978 | bob135: missing firmware? |
| 16:45.03 | HisaoNakai | ompaul: sfs? |
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| 16:45.29 | bob135 | unsure. it works. it is wokring now. |
| 16:45.30 | ompaul | HisaoNakai: yeah, you have four sfs partitions for some reason, fine, I was expecting ntfs |
| 16:45.45 | bob135 | but on next cold boot, I know it won't work |
| 16:45.52 | HisaoNakai | ompaul: ...but...it was all...ntfs :o What do I do now? :s |
| 16:45.56 | andy1978 | bob135: "dmesg |grep -i firmware" shows something interesting? |
| 16:46.02 | ompaul | HisaoNakai: whatever you want |
| 16:46.24 | yottanami | I want to apt-get update but I have error I tried "dpkg --configure -a" and I have parsing error http://dpaste.com/1546856/ how can I fix it ? |
| 16:46.26 | ompaul | HisaoNakai: if it was me I'd nuke windows, and just run debian on it. |
| 16:46.34 | bob135 | too much to paste into here |
| 16:46.47 | HisaoNakai | ompaul: Heh, that's what I'd love to do but the user here may need to dualboot for a while. |
| 16:47.08 | andy1978 | bob135: sure, use pastebin or pastebinit (cmdline tools) |
| 16:47.16 | ompaul | may need to for what reason - be unreasonable and give them the best :) |
| 16:47.34 | ompaul | HisaoNakai: I'd just do an install, but I'm surprised it doesn't say ntfs |
| 16:47.35 | HisaoNakai | lol |
| 16:48.00 | bob135 | command not found |
| 16:48.05 | bob135 | this may take a while |
| 16:48.33 | ompaul | bob135: do you boot into debian after you boot into windows or do you boot debian from some crazy vm setup |
| 16:48.52 | ompaul | bob135: and it is cold boots that don't do it right? |
| 16:49.00 | ompaul | Strictly Cold that is |
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| 16:49.06 | bob135 | MBR partition sceheme. grub. pick os, boot it. standard |
| 16:49.26 | bob135 | right: cold boot is when wifi fails |
| 16:49.29 | ompaul | bob135: ok, on a warm reboot you pick up your wireless? |
| 16:49.34 | bob135 | yes |
| 16:49.35 | andy1978 | ompaul: missing firmware doesn't sound reasonal to you? |
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| 16:50.04 | bob135 | well, i am speaking to you all right now over wifi, so firmware should not be missing right? |
| 16:50.05 | ompaul | andy1978: then it shouldn't work at all but no harm in firmware-linux-nonfree first |
| 16:50.05 | andy1978 | reasonably... |
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| 16:50.09 | bob135 | just configured oddly? |
| 16:50.27 | ompaul | bob135: add that package I just suggested |
| 16:50.41 | bob135 | "firmware-linux-nonfree" ? |
| 16:50.47 | ompaul | bob135: yes |
| 16:51.20 | andy1978 | ompaul: I tried to convince him pasting "dmesg |grep -i firmware" on pastebin |
| 16:51.25 | bob135 | fascinating. it's not installed. how the hell am i even onling at all? :o |
| 16:51.36 | andy1978 | bob135: windows loaded it? |
| 16:51.47 | bob135 | i'm trying to figure pastebin out as I do this |
| 16:51.53 | ompaul | andy1978: no I've other ideas but that firmware may help :) |
| 16:51.56 | andy1978 | bob135: and it's not guaranteed that your firmware is in this package, just a try |
| 16:51.57 | ompaul | andy1978: no, I've other ideas but that firmware may help :) |
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| 16:52.24 | ompaul | thinks some initialisation of the hardware takes place under windows |
| 16:52.33 | ompaul | the warm reboot doesn't turn it off |
| 16:52.52 | bob135 | just installed it |
| 16:52.56 | ompaul | bob135: reboot |
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| 16:53.15 | ompaul | try the cold if it fails I have other ideas - like check your bios to make sure it defaults to "on" |
| 16:53.19 | andy1978 | not a warm reboot... |
| 16:53.32 | ompaul | must be cold |
| 16:53.38 | bob135 | sorry about the pastebin |
| 16:53.42 | bob135 | i've never used that |
| 16:53.44 | ompaul | obviously if that fails come back on a warm one |
| 16:54.03 | ompaul | bob135: you have tasks see you in 10 mins :) |
| 16:54.08 | bob135 | will try cold boot now. thank you for advice |
| 16:54.10 | andy1978 | bob135: if you have time, please post the output |
| 16:54.12 | bob135 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.29 | andy1978 | bob135: this you could save you some time... |
| 16:54.59 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:55.16 | andy1978 | ompaul: I told him about pastebinit, see above |
| 16:55.27 | ompaul | andy1978: sorry, missed it :) |
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| 16:57.06 | andy1978 | ompaul: there is so many wifi hardware which isn't in firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 16:57.26 | andy1978 | ompaul: firmware-ipw2x00 is common for intel, ralink, broadcom |
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| 16:58.26 | ompaul | andy1978: he had working wireless, seems driver is there, so the question is why not initialise |
| 16:58.35 | ompaul | andy1978: rfkill |
| 16:58.41 | ompaul | andy1978: lots of other ideas :) |
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| 17:00.38 | andy1978 | ompaul: sure. |
| 17:01.01 | andy1978 | ompaul: I typically try to have a look on the logfiles if they tell something useful |
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| 17:02.18 | ompaul | andy1978: he wasn't going to get himself pastebinned :) and I doubt he will, booting box will boot :) so there is this assertion that debian can't in cold boot start the wireless, but windows can |
| 17:02.50 | ompaul | andy1978: questions arising from that point us in the direction that the box itself has done something which "remains during warm reboot" |
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| 17:03.23 | ompaul | andy1978: this kind of indicates some cpu trigger (which f-l-n may help) or some stranger thing |
| 17:03.23 | bob135 | holy crap: hat workedd |
| 17:03.29 | bob135 | it worked |
| 17:03.33 | ompaul | bob135: :-) |
| 17:03.39 | bob135 | and I did not have to configure anything! |
| 17:03.54 | bob135 | which is good, as I had no idea, anyway :D |
| 17:04.02 | bob135 | thank you :) |
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| 17:04.42 | bob135 | fifth element |
| 17:04.47 | ompaul | andy1978: the idea occured to me because I have about 40 new PCs which run debian but they won't turn off / halt without f-l-n being installed other than by pressing the power button or pulling the plug! |
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| 17:05.03 | ompaul | bob135: no, straight foward, your machine needed some firmware. |
| 17:05.45 | ompaul | bob135: the accertion that there might be magic involved contradicts everything we know about the world! |
| 17:05.53 | ompaul | assertion might be better |
| 17:05.58 | bob135 | ? |
| 17:06.00 | ompaul | looks at the hand of typo |
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| 17:06.25 | ompaul | bob135: you needed firmware-linux-nonfree - it had something for the cpu that let it trigger the wirelss |
| 17:06.29 | ompaul | and wake it up |
| 17:06.44 | bob135 | what had confused me was that it worked at all |
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| 17:07.12 | bob135 | without the firmware |
| 17:07.33 | ompaul | bob135: the wireless needed to wake up after a cold start |
| 17:07.44 | bob135 | similar to me in the mornings :D |
| 17:08.10 | ompaul | bob135: the windows stuff woke it up by being a warm reboot it didn't go asleep again, so it was available after the warm restart |
| 17:08.22 | bob135 | ok. that makes sense |
| 17:08.38 | ompaul | bob135: so again, there is no magic, just first or fourth principles :) |
| 17:08.45 | yottanami | How can I regenerate /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
| 17:09.06 | wols | yottanami: there is a backup file of it |
| 17:09.12 | bob135 | hardware works by FM, though ;) |
| 17:09.14 | wols | you cannot regenerate per se |
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| 17:09.31 | bob135 | F***ing Magic ;) |
| 17:09.43 | bob135 | jk |
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| 17:10.16 | yottanami | wols: Do you mean status-old ? |
| 17:10.21 | yottanami | Is it same ? |
| 17:10.43 | wols | sort of. it's an older version of it. easier than editing it all by hand |
| 17:10.44 | ompaul | wols: see pm :) |
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| 17:10.56 | ompaul | runs away |
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| 17:12.32 | nashant | Hey. From everything I'm reading it seems like connecting an MTP android device is a right pain. Is this really the case? It seems like a massive oversight |
| 17:12.49 | bob135 | it's a total pain |
| 17:12.53 | bob135 | so much I gave up |
| 17:13.09 | wols | go-mtp, fuse mtp |
| 17:13.16 | forcer | go-mtpfs is workable |
| 17:13.17 | wols | those are the choices afaik |
| 17:13.21 | forcer | Still annoying |
| 17:13.36 | wols | jessie really needs a working solution, yes |
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| 17:14.06 | nashant | Seems a bit silly, really |
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| 17:14.41 | ompaul | nashant: you have source code, you have problem, you have interest, you have the ability to scratch that itch now :) |
| 17:16.51 | gnu-man | I try to invoke some command in a pristine environment. |
| 17:16.56 | gnu-man | test="test" |
| 17:16.59 | gnu-man | env --ignore-environment echo $test |
| 17:17.01 | gnu-man | I get test as output |
| 17:17.08 | gnu-man | So the environment is not ignored. |
| 17:17.16 | nashant | ompaul: You have a point! |
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| 17:18.07 | ompaul | nashant: :-) |
| 17:18.37 | ompaul | gnu-man: perhaps you'd like to confine your questions to one channel the other one perhaps? |
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| 17:18.48 | ompaul | gnu-man: asking in many channels is bad manners |
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| 17:21.46 | gnu-man | ompaul: only two :) |
| 17:21.51 | gnu-man | ompaul: I find it too related, sorry |
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| 17:22.44 | blumoon | do i have this cron setup correctly to run every 10 days ? "* * 10 * * root /usr/local/sbin/block " |
| 17:22.55 | bob135 | azizLIGHTS must be a Fifth Element fan ;) |
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| 17:25.29 | blumoon | did anyone answer my question ? |
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| 17:26.11 | bob135 | never used cron, so can't answer. sorry |
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| 17:26.30 | forcer | blumoon: That cron entry will run once a minute, every hour, on the 10th day of every month. I guess that's not what you want. |
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| 17:26.42 | blumoon | no |
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| 17:27.29 | blumoon | ty for letting me kno its broken thou |
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| 17:28.41 | atari314 | guys, I want to make some mods on a given package. Can I do something like: apt-get build-dep package, apt-get source package, edit what I want and then apt-get -b package ? |
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| 17:30.57 | blumoon | ok will this cron run every day @ 5 pm ? "00 17 * * * root /usr/local/sbin/block " |
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| 17:31.18 | forcer | blumoon: Yes |
| 17:31.32 | blumoon | k ty |
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| 17:35.37 | skyshadow | anyone know if iceweasel will move to the australis look or will it keep its same unique style whenever the firefox esr includes australis? |
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| 17:36.10 | agike_ | Have you a link to australis ? |
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| 17:36.39 | skyshadow | https://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2013/11/australis-is-landing-in-firefox-nightly/ |
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| 17:40.17 | skyshadow | i think ill switch to midori or seamonkey as iceape doesnt seem to get updates and firefox changes are troubling to me |
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| 17:42.36 | nashant | Another thing I was wondering. Is there a shell extension to put the window title in the top panel and remove the top bar from the window? |
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| 17:42.58 | spudwebb | I did find a solution, thanks |
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| 17:46.43 | Lennox84 | Hi all :-) |
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| 17:48.59 | yottanami | When I want to install a software with apt-get update I have this error http://dpaste.com/1546895/ and after apt-get -f install I have this error http://dpaste.com/1546894/ |
| 17:48.59 | yottanami | How can I fix this ? |
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| 17:49.32 | wols | yottanami: this looks like raspbian? |
| 17:49.33 | ompaul | !tell yottanami about bat |
| 17:50.07 | yottanami | wols: Yes It is |
| 17:50.14 | wols | !raspbian |
| 17:50.14 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 17:51.39 | pokeswap | is there a channel for live-build help? |
| 17:51.55 | Latrina | hello peps.. I need a little help with iptables, anyone? |
| 17:52.00 | Lennox84 | I've setup up remote access on 1 of my wheezy boxes, both have xfce. I can access my remote box with vncviwer but I'm only getting a terminal with, but I'm more wanting desktop sharing or at least to be able to load the xfce GUI...?? |
| 17:52.20 | Latrina | I am trying to set up a tor middle box following this guide here http://12160.info/forum/topics/how-to-guide-anonymizing-middlebox-tor-proxy-aka-transparently |
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| 17:53.08 | FailPowah | why the h*** cant debian install grub on MBR (new solo install on 2xraided setups) |
| 17:53.17 | Latrina | my eth0 is 192.168.1.8 and eth1 is 192.168.2.1 which is the interface I will be using to divert the tor traffic |
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| 17:54.02 | wols | Latrina: what do you need iptables for? |
| 17:54.03 | Latrina | according to that iptables script 192.168.1.0/24 and 192.168.0.0/24 should not be routed through tor |
| 17:54.35 | Latrina | but fact is once that script is executed I cannot longer surf the web with eth0 which again is set on 192.168.1.8 |
| 17:54.58 | Latrina | wols: to route the tor traffic to a network adapter |
| 17:55.11 | nashant | Is there any way to get a more unity like effect with maximized windows? So app menus in the top panel, and no window decoration? |
| 17:55.22 | Latrina | so that I can have a banch of computers using the tor network rather than my connection |
| 17:56.01 | Latrina | and to be isolated from my local network |
| 17:56.48 | wols | Latrina: I don't see why you need iptables for this, unless you want to force these PCs to use tor |
| 17:56.48 | Latrina | but I do suck with iptables and there's something on that script that is preventing my internal network eth0 to surf the web |
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| 17:56.56 | Latrina | wols: correct |
| 17:57.00 | Latrina | that's what I want to do |
| 17:57.12 | wols | then google "transparent proxy" |
| 17:57.38 | Latrina | yes I did some researches and I ended up to that article I have linked above |
| 17:57.53 | Latrina | which matches my scenario and what I need to do .. |
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| 17:58.11 | Latrina | but like I said I am having this issue with iptables I cant seem to figure out |
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| 18:08.18 | Lennox84 | Latrina: just checking, you've disabled dhcp on your router, you've checked the permissions of running the script as an anonuser, you've attempted to run for then run the script?? |
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| 18:09.02 | Latrina | dhcp is enabled and permission are set correctly |
| 18:09.50 | Lennox84 | the script looks fine, the only possible issues I can see is your router config and script permissions, its a pretty good write up. |
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| 18:11.00 | Lennox84 | have you disabled the router firewall?? also if dhcp is enabled have you at least reserved the 192.168.1.8 address for you box?? |
| 18:11.24 | Latrina | yes it is reserved and I can ping the gw just fine |
| 18:11.34 | Latrina | I can also ping any machines on the net |
| 18:11.47 | Latrina | I just cant reach the internet |
| 18:11.49 | Latrina | for some reason |
| 18:12.12 | fryck | How can i disabled selinux please ? |
| 18:12.19 | Latrina | also iptables -L does not even list half of what contained on that script |
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| 18:12.45 | Latrina | I wish I had written that script.. :( |
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| 18:15.44 | aemquo | Any reason why iceweasel is amazingly slow on wheezy? |
| 18:15.55 | aemquo | s/amazingly/shockingly |
| 18:16.14 | bob135 | aemquo: no idea: runs good for me |
| 18:16.21 | aemquo | hmm. |
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| 18:16.57 | shawnbon206 | anyone here an experienced xen user? |
| 18:17.16 | wols | !tell shawnbon206 about anyone |
| 18:17.39 | wols | aemquo: install a current iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net |
| 18:18.09 | bob135 | !tell me about anyone |
| 18:18.12 | shawnbon206 | i am about to partition a drive to install debian which later will have xen added xen and windows 7 added to it. any special considerations? i am doing a seperate / and /home topography for debian |
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| 18:18.16 | wols | !tell bob135 about selftell |
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| 18:18.35 | bob135 | had no idea :o |
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| 18:18.55 | Lennox84 | ??hmm have u tried running tor first and applying the script like suggested? |
| 18:19.28 | wols | aemquo: the iceweasel shipping with wheezy is old and therefore has very slow javascript |
| 18:19.51 | aemquo | I see. You think the NoScript add-on could be causing some issues? |
| 18:19.55 | aemquo | Or some other add-on |
| 18:20.12 | wols | adblock is a cpu hog basically. all those regexes |
| 18:20.16 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 18:20.27 | aemquo | Hmm |
| 18:20.29 | wols | so yes, addons make firefox slow unfortunately. or can make it slow |
| 18:20.40 | wols | aemquo: what hardware? (cpu and RAM) |
| 18:20.41 | Azrael_- | what control panel can you suggest for a lamp-server with pop/imap? |
| 18:20.52 | aemquo | i3, 4G |
| 18:21.00 | aemquo | Also have an SSD |
| 18:21.03 | wols | aemquo: then you should be fine. get a current one from mdn |
| 18:21.05 | aemquo | I think it is the add-ons |
| 18:21.17 | wols | Azrael_-: we usually don't. why do you think you need one? |
| 18:21.27 | aemquo | It worked very well with a fresh install |
| 18:21.50 | wols | !tell Azrael_- about free whcp |
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| 18:22.36 | Azrael_- | wols: because i have a lot of pages and want to dedicate some basic tasks to the endusers and not be bothered with all the small stuff |
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| 18:27.15 | Azrael_- | thanks for the link |
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| 18:28.28 | nashant | Just come from ubuntu. Gotta say, this feels SO much faster!! |
| 18:28.42 | ompaul | nashant: it is irc ... |
| 18:29.25 | nashant | ompaul: smartass. |
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| 18:29.34 | ompaul | I am ! |
| 18:29.43 | nashant | My Win7 VM just killed ubuntu. Barely makes an impact here |
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| 18:31.02 | nashant | Just one thing. I've got a network set up with 2 APs, same ssid. How can I get proper roaming to work? |
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| 18:33.24 | nashant | I was thinking that I could set a cron script that scans for my APs, checks the strength of each and then connects to the strongest. Not sure how I go about this, but as was said earlier....investigation! Just wondering if there's an easier way? |
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| 18:34.50 | Neon | So I need another version of libstdc++ than provided by the repo, downloaded it and put it in /home/foo/libs. I made sure that path is at the front of LD_LIBRARY_PATH. When I ldd the app that needs the other lib version it tells me libstdc++ is still in /usr/lib, so I assume it's still using the old/default version. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 18:39.59 | n-st | is it possible that a network interface isn't immediately available for bridging after executing "ip link set tap2 up"? executing ssh $server "ip addr add 10.13.5.5/24 dev tap2 && ip link set tap2 up && brctl addif br0 tap2 && brctl show" freezes and kills all network connectivity, but the very same command with a sleep 10 before brctl addif works... |
| 18:40.01 | somiaj | Neon: what version of libstdc++ do y ou need? |
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| 18:41.10 | Neon | somiaj: I actually don't know. I'm helping a friend. He got the lib version somewhere. It's for a Starbound server, I assume it's from some of the forums or was included in the game. The ldd complains about things like: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.14' not found |
| 18:42.09 | Neon | diff -q tells me the so files differ, although they've the same name (libstdc++.so.6). |
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| 18:42.32 | somiaj | figure out what version, there are lots of libctdc++ packages for various versions |
| 18:42.57 | somiaj | is this for wheezy? |
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| 18:43.25 | Neon | squeeze |
| 18:43.33 | bas_ | hi, I can't use scp anymore as user. only root works. (in wheezy) Adding user to group ssh doesnt solve the problem. |
| 18:43.56 | n-st | bas_: any error messages? if not, scp -v? |
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| 18:44.12 | bas_ | I'll try scp -v |
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| 18:45.36 | somiaj | Neon: you can get version 3.3.6 (stdc++5), 4.3.5 (stdc++6), if he needs a newer version than either of those, he should really consider upgrading to wheezy |
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| 18:45.57 | bas_ | n-st, funny thing: -v says "Bytes per second: sent 47472.5, received 48882.6" but nothing was actually copied |
| 18:46.21 | n-st | do you have write permission for the destination? |
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| 18:47.04 | frostschutz | bas_, what if you add more -v |
| 18:47.05 | bas_ | -a |
| 18:47.40 | frostschutz | funny things in the ~/.profile? |
| 18:47.50 | bas_ | frostschutz, "Transferred: sent 2440, received 2496 bytes, in 0.1 seconds, debug1: Exit status -1" |
| 18:48.10 | frostschutz | or .bashrc or whatever |
| 18:48.26 | Neon | somiaj: Thanks so far, but my problem was more that it seems to not take the custom lib, although it's in the LD_LIBRARY_PATH. |
| 18:48.36 | Neon | And I don't know why. |
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| 18:53.12 | gnu-man | So the locale POSIX is the same as en_US locale? Can one use POSIX and still being able to see all warnings/errors? |
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| 19:00.26 | freeroute | hi all, IIRC CentOS has SELinux by default but Debian (minimal netinstall) not, so is there a way of easily installing SELinux and getting a standard web server template for it without it causing too much headaches in configuration? |
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| 19:01.32 | naphex | I am trying to play sound on an airport extreme device via pulseaudio (on wheezy). Sound comes out but it skips so much that it is unusable. Running pulseaudio with --realtime does not change anything. A macbook can play music without problem on the same network. What can I try to improve pulseaudio's behavior? |
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| 19:10.50 | gnu-man | :( |
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| 19:17.12 | acu | I forgot a root password - I want to reset it in wheezy - I know I need to do something in grub while / after it booted - can anyone tell me how ? |
| 19:17.56 | rozie | acu: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-reset-forgotten-root-password/ |
| 19:18.17 | rozie | is really entering how to reset root password linux that hard? |
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| 19:21.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | we have a factoid for that... |
| 19:21.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, ifrp |
| 19:21.28 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 19:22.48 | linuxator | why do i get caffeine and win thumbnails extensions switched off? |
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| 19:24.56 | freeroute | when installing I always choose "allow login as root" because that creates the root user and gives it its shell. Without it, I assume that an attacker who has the password for the sudo user will just use that password to perform tasks with elevated privileges. With the root user enabled however, there's a second password (the root password) that the attacker must know after gaining access to the normal user's password. |
| 19:25.06 | freeroute | does my line of thinking make any sense? |
| 19:25.09 | nosklo | I've seen a link to download at main debian page, debian 7.3 installer for 32 and 64 bits. How does it work? Do I get to choose which version I want to install? |
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| 19:25.41 | jhutchins | mosh: Do you know what processor you have? |
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| 19:27.21 | bolt | scp's default error message when transferring something to the wrong directory name is so useless. "scp foo.tgz bolt@bar:/home/bolt/mystuff/" and it goes "scp: /home/bolt/mystuff/: Is a directory". well, of course it is! but what it really means to say is that /home/bolt/mystuff/ is a directory which doesn't exist! |
| 19:27.24 | bolt | whines |
| 19:28.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolts |
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| 19:29.57 | Mikaela | What if you add -r ? Does it invent something to copy? :D |
| 19:30.01 | freeroute | indeed, that message is far from intuitive, but it's technically right :p |
| 19:31.03 | jhutchins | bolt: You might look more closely at the manpage. |
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| 19:36.26 | arunkumars | Debian Linux Yahoooooo |
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| 19:38.57 | theseb | I have an old Dell PC..should I install 32 bit or 64 bit? Can I assume MOST PCs that aren't from the dinosaur era nowadays are 64bit? |
| 19:39.48 | the__Dreamer | is it more than 4G ram? |
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| 19:40.18 | the__Dreamer | anything 4G and less is better off using 32bit |
| 19:40.31 | the__Dreamer | less dependency issues |
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| 19:48.49 | somiaj | depends on ussage and preference. 32bit has advantages and 64bit has advantages. the 4G ram limit can be overcome on 32bit with a -pae kernel |
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| 19:49.44 | jiohdi | from what I have read without greater than 4G the 64bits do not do very much better than 32 |
| 19:50.44 | FalscherHase | Hi all. I have just tried the video editor Kdenlive. I'm missing some effects that are mentioned in the documentation, e.g. denoise. Do I need to install some additional package? I have installed all "suggests" of the "kdenlive" package. |
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| 19:53.35 | wols | jiohdi: for almost all things: correct |
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| 19:53.46 | wols | jiohdi: some workloads do profit from 64bit however |
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| 19:53.57 | jiohdi | anything important? |
| 19:54.11 | wols | video encoding, en/decrypting |
| 19:54.21 | wols | jiohdi: how much RAM do you have? |
| 19:54.23 | jiohdi | debian is moving to multi-arch so it may be a worry of the past |
| 19:54.29 | jiohdi | 4G |
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| 19:54.38 | wols | jiohdi: then you must run amd64 anyways |
| 19:54.46 | jiohdi | I could |
| 19:54.52 | jiohdi | but I installed 32 |
| 19:55.01 | jiohdi | I find less dependency issues |
| 19:55.08 | basic6_ | i'm running apt-get upgrade and for some reason the terminal crashed, but apt-get is still running. how can i attach a new terminal to this process? |
| 19:55.13 | wols | what dependency issues are there with 64bit? |
| 19:55.43 | jiohdi | basic6_, first kill the old one, with either pkill or us top |
| 19:55.45 | Leoneof | is it possible to scan the partition /dev/sda1? that partition is running Debian |
| 19:55.46 | wols | basic6_: can not happen. if the terminal is crashed the child processes are terminated too. it is still running. use pstree |
| 19:56.00 | wols | Leoneof: boot in single user mode and check then |
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| 19:57.19 | Leoneof | wols: how to boot in single user mode? recovery mode? |
| 19:57.38 | wols | Leoneof: that's not single user mode, but it should work too |
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| 19:57.47 | basic6_ | wols: the parent of apt-get is bash, its parent is sudo. the sudo process has no parent (1) |
| 19:57.54 | wols | Leoneof: you will need to remount sda1 as read-only, then run fsck and then reboot normally |
| 19:58.25 | Leoneof | wols: aha, thanks |
| 19:58.45 | wols | basic6_: kill the sudo process then |
| 19:59.01 | basic6_ | jiohdi: kill the old what? the old terminal is already gone. however in /proc/PID/fd (PID of apt-get) stdout 1 is poitning to /dev/pts/1 which does not exist (anymore) |
| 19:59.16 | basic6_ | wols: wouldnt that also kill the apt-get process? |
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| 19:59.26 | wols | basic6_: yes. and that is fine. don't worry |
| 19:59.30 | FalscherHase | basic6_: if you kill apt-get you can try to fix half-installed stuff with 'dpkg --configure -a' and 'apt-get -f install' |
| 19:59.46 | basic6_ | wols: no it is NOT fine! this is a system upgrade which is running! |
| 20:00.26 | wols | basic6_: no it is fine. totally fine. you just restart apt again. it will just do what it couldn't do the last run |
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| 20:00.38 | basic6_ | i am most certainly not interrupting an upgrade, not knowing what will break. if that was the only solution, i could just revert to the full backup i made eralier and restart the upgrade |
| 20:00.41 | wols | basic6_: there is no way to attach to this apt process again. none |
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| 20:01.02 | basic6_ | i would like to know how to connect the stdout of the apt-get process to a new terminal |
| 20:01.03 | wols | basic6_: apt is designed for this |
| 20:01.10 | theseb | To boot iso from usb stick to i just COPY iso to usb stick or must i do something special to make usb stick bootable? |
| 20:01.32 | wols | theseb: under what OS do you create the usb stick? under Linux/BSD you just use cp |
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| 20:01.36 | bob135 | basic6_: type "jobs" |
| 20:01.46 | bob135 | tell me what you see |
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| 20:01.56 | theseb | wols: what about dd? |
| 20:02.04 | basic6_ | wols: in what way is apt designed for this? if apt is currently installing something, apt cannot fix things that break if the subinstaller is interrupted is my thinking |
| 20:02.21 | RandomStrayCat | What is the easiest way to pull an entire port tree from a FTP site with bash? Should I use 'wget -r' |
| 20:02.47 | wols | theseb: works too |
| 20:02.55 | bob135 | if you see something like this you may be in luck: "[1]+ Stopped apt-get" |
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| 20:03.07 | bob135 | that number might not be a one |
| 20:03.07 | wols | basic6_: your thinking is wrong. I told you what to do, either follow my advice or ignore it. good luck |
| 20:03.18 | basic6_ | bob135: jobs gives me no output. new terminal. |
| 20:03.32 | bob135 | ok. then my idea is no help. sorry. |
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| 20:04.59 | basic6_ | couldn't i somehow do something like ln -sf /proc/APTPID/fd/1 /proc/PIDOFNEWTERMINAL/fd/0 |
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| 20:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | basic6_, just kill it and start over. it's most likely sitting there asking you something... and as wols said, it will be able to deal with a half-installed package |
| 20:09.06 | basic6_ | wols: unfortunately you have not explained me how exactly apt is designed for that (or i missed it) because i'd really like to know. also, your advice was to kill the apt process instead of doing what i want to do (reattach). |
| 20:09.42 | wols | basic6_: please stop highlighting me. I told you what to do, either you follow my advice or ignore it. your choice but please don't bother me again: I cannot give a different advice |
| 20:09.52 | wols | basic6_: you cannot do what you want |
| 20:10.18 | basic6_ | CutMeOwnThroat: do you happen to have a reference (website, manual) where i can read more as to how exactly apt deals with aborted installs? |
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| 20:11.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | basic6_, no, but you'll see for yourself... and then you can still go back to your backup and start over from scratch if it's not to your liking... so I actually don't see why we're still discussing this |
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| 20:12.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, also... not a 100% correct, apt-cache show retty ... exists for 10ish years now... |
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| 20:13.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I must have tried it out back then, but cannot remember how well it worked |
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| 20:14.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | basic6_, you might be able to attach with retty... but I also don't think you have to go to all the bother with it *shrug* |
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| 20:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | basic6_, also... run the upgrade in screen next time if you want to avoid this :) |
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| 20:16.12 | basic6_ | CutMeOwnThroat: i dont know retty but it souns like just the right tool for me. good tip! and yes, i should definitely use screen for apt-get |
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| 20:18.14 | basic6_ | unfortunately i dont have retty installed and cant install it because that other apt-get process is still running... |
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| 20:21.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed... that's what I said... no need to go to all the bother |
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| 20:23.07 | basic6_ | well thanks for your help - i will install retty on all my systems from now on. and i will read a bit about apt's handling of aborted installs. |
| 20:23.51 | wols | you can still install it. just harder to do |
| 20:23.56 | wols | dpkg -x retty.deb |
| 20:23.57 | dpkg | wols: are you using Windows? |
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| 20:25.59 | Mjbmr | is there any update from grive git master branch to debian reposes? |
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| 20:28.09 | basic6_ | wols: are you referring to a classic install (make / make test / make install) ? |
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| 20:33.22 | miseria2 | "que veloz y en contravia se evapora nuestra vida, al mirar pasar la corriente desde la cima de un puente" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival* |
| 20:33.49 | petn-randall | Mjbmr: No, but you can file a wishlist bug if there isn't already one. |
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| 20:34.14 | wols | basic6_: no I don't. read "man dpkg" |
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| 20:35.23 | Mjbmr | petn-randall: it's not a wish, it would be good, but never mind, anyone can compile it from the source. |
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| 20:37.13 | petn-randall | Mjbmr: There's already such a bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=716664 |
| 20:39.36 | Mjbmr | crap, what ever it's not finalized, but it's working much much better than current version in debian reposes. |
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| 20:41.21 | circuit | hey guys im having a hard time getting my USB headset to work |
| 20:41.26 | circuit | any suggestions? |
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| 20:46.26 | wols | circuit: google the USB ID |
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| 21:06.06 | Linan | Hi, Is here someone who knows remastersys well? |
| 21:06.35 | ompaul | ,remastersys |
| 21:06.44 | ompaul | ,v remastersys |
| 21:06.45 | judd | No package named 'remastersys' was found in i386. |
| 21:06.51 | ompaul | glares at himself on irc |
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| 21:07.18 | ompaul | Linan: I guess it's not a debian package, I just checked the channel name, it appears to be #debian |
| 21:08.10 | Linan | ompaul: It doesn't mean that nobody knows it |
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| 21:09.23 | Linan | It works only Debian based distros so I opened some chat window which are based on Debian |
| 21:11.04 | ompaul | I think you will find that we don't do distros based on debian. |
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| 21:13.27 | Linan | What's wrong with you? If you can't help just say that. Thats it. |
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| 21:15.17 | aarcane | How do I request a package be added to backports? I don't see it in the faq |
| 21:16.21 | Nik05 | bug report wishlist |
| 21:16.52 | ompaul | aarcane: perhaps this might help http://backports.debian.org/Contribute/ |
| 21:16.59 | ompaul | aarcane: also what Nik05 said |
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| 21:20.20 | aarcane | ompaul, Interesting. I don't have the wherewithall to maintain the backport, so producing it myself is ootq.. So I guess I'll have to subscribe to that list and submit a request there. Unless someone wants to expand on this "bug report wishlist" that Nik05 mentions. Please bear with me. I haven't touched pure debian in ages, and I'm coming "back" from ubuntu |
| 21:20.50 | ompaul | !bdo |
| 21:20.51 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 21:20.57 | ompaul | drat |
| 21:21.05 | ompaul | !bugs |
| 21:21.07 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 21:21.16 | ompaul | !bug |
| 21:21.17 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 21:24.43 | Gyurika | Can you help me creating an installable live media from a running system with all my settings? |
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| 21:25.25 | aarcane | thanks ompaul. |
| 21:25.34 | ompaul | aarcane: np |
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| 21:28.47 | ompaul | !tell Gyurika -about live |
| 21:28.52 | kaka | hello, can anyone help me fix the alias command in bash |
| 21:29.40 | ompaul | kaka: we don't know what your actual question is, that has many possible meanings. |
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| 21:30.20 | ompaul | Gyurika: read the web page the bot sent you and note their channel |
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| 21:30.34 | Gyurika | I mean it would be on a DVD or on an USB stick, and it can be run without installation from the USB but if I want I can install it as well. |
| 21:30.59 | ompaul | Gyurika: the bot sent you info, there is a live cd irc channel please check that |
| 21:31.01 | kaka | ompaul i type alias c=clear and also alias c='clear' and both of them make the alias work, but the alias is gone when i open a new terminal tab. A different alias worked across terminal tabs in such a manner (alias l=ls). |
| 21:31.20 | Gyurika | okay thanks |
| 21:31.21 | ompaul | kaka: so you want it to persist |
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| 21:31.47 | kaka | ompaul, yes. |
| 21:31.50 | aarcane | kaka, you need to add the alias to your profile or bashrc |
| 21:32.40 | ompaul | kaka: you have choices, after you put it in your .profile for the shell you are in you should type "source .profile" |
| 21:32.59 | ompaul | kaka: if you stick it in /etc/profile all users on the box get the alias |
| 21:33.07 | kaka | ompaul aarcane ok i dont know how to command this 'profile' |
| 21:33.08 | ompaul | kaka: after the next login :) |
| 21:33.34 | kaka | ompaul so placing "alias c=clear" in /etc/profile is what i should ddo |
| 21:33.35 | ompaul | kaka: it is a file you may have in your home directory, you add it to the end of that file .profile is the file |
| 21:33.54 | ompaul | kaka: that depends on exactly what you want - all users certainly |
| 21:34.05 | aarcane | kaka, also, I just inspected the debian settings, by default if you place your aliases in ~/.bash_aliases and you're using bash, they'll work for you automatically. |
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| 21:34.32 | ompaul | aarcane: assumption of bash is getting dangerous :-( lots of people using dash and others |
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| 21:34.51 | ompaul | but fair point none the less |
| 21:35.15 | ompaul | wonderful, one wonders sometimes |
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| 21:35.49 | aarcane | ompaul, I try not to assume too much about anyone, except that they're moderately competent and not a complete idiot :) |
| 21:36.42 | ompaul | aarcane: that is usually not far too generous |
| 21:38.05 | aarcane | ompaul, meh. I figure if anyone really is a complete idiot, it'll become quickly apparent, and I can change tactics :) |
| 21:38.33 | ompaul | again, a fair point |
| 21:38.53 | ompaul | and a reasonably reasoned tactic |
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| 21:42.05 | RickyB98 | Going to bed.. cya guys :D |
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| 21:47.51 | hassen | anyone who knows a multiplayer/online terminal-based game? |
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| 21:51.27 | nkuttler | hassen: any MUD |
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| 21:52.22 | nkuttler | nethack if you consider hearse multiplayer |
| 21:52.31 | petn-randall | hassen: I would count IRC as one ... ;) |
| 21:53.07 | freeroute | BOOM HEADSHOT |
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| 21:54.00 | freeroute | with the knife of course, because you always run faster with the knife |
| 21:54.05 | petn-randall | falls over, disappears, then respawns. |
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| 21:54.44 | ompaul | we could have role playing games in #debian-offtopic --- maybe we do already |
| 21:54.59 | ompaul | looks at petn-randall |
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| 21:57.19 | freeroute | I always wanted to have Linux-like terminals in-game instead of boring 'hacking' minigames |
| 21:57.29 | freeroute | would make so much stuff fun but I would probably suck very hard |
| 21:57.43 | freeroute | would that actually be possible with things like Wayland / Mir? |
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| 21:58.12 | freeroute | real actual linux terminal emulators in game? |
| 21:58.19 | nkuttler | oh there's a channel where they play this werewolf game |
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| 21:59.07 | nkuttler | freeroute: you'd need a "real" linux terminal in the first place.. not sure the current weston one qualifies |
| 21:59.16 | nkuttler | or just terminal, fwiw |
| 22:01.46 | freeroute | right, hence you'd be playing on a Linux or other UNIX(-like) system |
| 22:02.02 | freeroute | or... it could be connected remotely? |
| 22:02.12 | freeroute | wow, so much possibilities |
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| 22:03.46 | vormeph | Hi all, am trying to install Debian on a separate machine but I can't get wireless up and running through the installer despite entering the correct wireless info; it says the exchange of keys and association with access point failed. I can connect wirelessly through a LIVE version of debian. |
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| 22:04.29 | petn-randall | vormeph: It may be due to missing firmware. |
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| 22:04.54 | vormeph | That's what I thought cause the installer said non-free firmware had to be installed but it doens't install them! |
| 22:04.59 | petn-randall | vormeph: Either just connect a cable, and install it after the installation, or you can grab one of the installers with firmware provided. |
| 22:05.20 | vormeph | How can I grab installer with firmware provided? |
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| 22:06.00 | nkuttler | !firmware installer |
| 22:06.00 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 22:06.22 | nkuttler | vormeph: ah.. /msg dpkg firmware images |
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| 22:06.46 | vormeph | I'm not installing debian on this current machine; it's another one |
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| 22:09.33 | nashant | I'm having real issues with the install. I'm being told that I need to load extra firmware from a removable medium. I've put the firmware in the root of a FAT32 formatted USB stick but it's not finding it. Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 22:10.20 | somiaj | nashant: what hardware do you need teh firmware for? In some cases the install (including netinstall) have a fully base system you can install and get the firmware after that is done |
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| 22:11.02 | nashant | it's rtl8168e-3.fw |
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| 22:11.44 | somiaj | ahh so for your network card. I personally would either use the firmware installer or grab the firmware .deb packages from packages.debian.org and install them after you do the min base install. |
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| 22:13.18 | nashant | the firmware installer? |
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| 22:16.18 | nashant | so just sticking the required firmware on the USB and telling it to 'Load missing firmware from removable media |
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| 22:18.58 | ubd | hello i just installed debian. while installing it whined me about not having rtl_nic/rtl811.....fw . atm most urls do not resolve is this because of that |
| 22:19.30 | centrx | ubd, "most" ? |
| 22:19.33 | centrx | why not all |
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| 22:20.05 | ubd | i dont know im using cached pages though google |
| 22:20.10 | nashant | i'm not the only one then |
| 22:20.54 | centrx | ubd, It may that you need to install the binary non-free firmware for rtl_nic/rtl811 |
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| 22:21.20 | centrx | ubd, By default, the installer probably does not have/install non-free firmware |
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| 22:21.24 | centrx | ubd, Do you remember what the whine message was? |
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| 22:22.20 | ubd | the file it asked was rtlnic/rtl81168e-e.fw exactly |
| 22:22.37 | ubd | e-3 |
| 22:23.36 | centrx | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.16 | centrx | This is available in the package called "firmware-realtek" |
| 22:24.23 | ubd | i installed it now i guess it iwll be avtive after restart? |
| 22:24.55 | centrx | Yes |
| 22:25.02 | centrx | You probably do not need to restart |
| 22:25.11 | centrx | But that may be the easiest way to activate it |
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| 22:25.38 | ubd | btw the debian install consumes less watts than windows 30w vs 40w |
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| 22:26.27 | centrx | ubd, Good to know |
| 22:26.43 | centrx | You can run the Debian install off of two floppy disks also |
| 22:27.05 | vormeph | guys, how do I load firmware for debian installer? rtl_nic/rt18105e-1.fw |
| 22:27.05 | theseb | can debian be installed from a cd? |
| 22:27.12 | theseb | please say yes |
| 22:27.12 | ubd | yes the seb |
| 22:27.25 | theseb | ubd: will it need network? i don't have network atm |
| 22:27.36 | theseb | ubd: i just need some basics like openoffice and Xwindows |
| 22:27.53 | ubd | you will need to have a complete disk i mean 600 mb or so i presume but i dont know specific im a noob myself |
| 22:28.14 | ubd | the 1st install disk should have those |
| 22:28.14 | NMJerry | I isually |
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| 22:28.54 | kRush | http://blog.dk.sg/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Windows8disk.jpg |
| 22:29.50 | ubd | theseb if your drive reads dvds there are dvds as well they contain more packages so... they may have what you dont need as well |
| 22:29.56 | Belial` | kRush, seems logical. |
| 22:30.04 | NMJerry | Install from cd i cirrently burn fitdt four fisk imsges yo grt synsptic up and oyher images i mlint off s flßh drive |
| 22:30.22 | centrx | NMJerry, That is a very interesting alphabet you have there |
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| 22:31.11 | theseb | ubd: my DVD drive won't open..on this used pc i got for $20 :) |
| 22:31.37 | NMJerry | Sorry it pretty bad..burn fitst 4 disk images rrrst on rolling flash drive |
| 22:32.08 | NMJerry | Man my typing bad |
| 22:32.13 | ubd | damn how we paste text? |
| 22:32.22 | LtL | theseb: stick a paper clip in the hole on the face of the drive |
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| 22:33.22 | ubd | really ? |
| 22:33.29 | LtL | ubd: how to paste or where to paste? |
| 22:33.36 | ubd | to terminal window |
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| 22:33.58 | ubd | copy from browser to terminal (here) |
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| 22:34.08 | centrx | NMJerry, :) |
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| 22:34.24 | dvs | ubd: You use a pastebin like paste.debian.net |
| 22:34.26 | NMJerry | Hi centrx |
| 22:34.28 | centrx | ubd, Yes pastebin or pastie |
| 22:34.37 | ubd | not like that man ctrl+v equivalent? |
| 22:34.42 | LtL | ubd: paste to http://paste.debian.net and give us the URL |
| 22:35.12 | ubd | how do you paste a link? |
| 22:35.16 | ubd | omg |
| 22:35.37 | koshie | When you put your content on the website, you send it and you've an URL with it. |
| 22:35.42 | theseb | LtL: thanks...i did see the hole and tried it...it's a lost cause |
| 22:35.45 | koshie | ubd: |
| 22:35.46 | koshie | (hi) |
| 22:36.13 | ubd | ctrl+v equivalent?!?!?! |
| 22:36.17 | LtL | ubd: copy the link to the channel, highlight it, right click, copy then paste. |
| 22:36.17 | centrx | ubd, Oh paste a link you can you use Ctrl-V |
| 22:36.27 | ubd | it doesnt work |
| 22:36.29 | centrx | ubd, Or you ar ein terminal window |
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| 22:36.44 | ubd | yeah in terminal |
| 22:36.45 | centrx | ubd, You can use select then middle click |
| 22:37.13 | centrx | ubd, There are actually two clipboards in Linux/X. If you select text, it is copied to the select clipboard, which you can paste with middle click |
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| 22:37.36 | centrx | ubd, You should be able to paste if you right click on the terminal window and go to "Paste", but maybe you need to use a different terminal emulator |
| 22:37.43 | ubd | mid btn isnt working for me as well |
| 22:37.55 | ubd | no right clik in this terminal |
| 22:38.13 | koshie | Control+Maj+C to copy, Control+Maj+V to paste |
| 22:38.20 | ubd | maj? |
| 22:38.21 | koshie | instead of Control+C/V |
| 22:38.31 | koshie | sorry, not english :) |
| 22:38.39 | koshie | The button to Upper your letter when you type. |
| 22:38.43 | koshie | If it's correct. |
| 22:38.49 | centrx | I think he means Shift |
| 22:38.53 | koshie | oh yeah |
| 22:38.55 | koshie | sorry, tired... |
| 22:39.28 | ubd | nah its weird maybe its the x or the terminal idk |
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| 22:40.47 | ubd | i had used debian in the past a few months but i dont rememebr much now :( |
| 22:41.09 | centrx | Install X-Chat |
| 22:41.20 | ubd | it was too big |
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| 22:51.16 | agike | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.20 | agike | Booting into /dev/hdb, I followed the ArchWiki Change root documentation which failed at ‘chroot /mnt/debian /usr/bin/bash’. |
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| 22:51.23 | agike | I followed advice at http://oio11.livejournal.com/1209298.html |
| 22:51.26 | agike | to copy the bash binary and shared library dependencies to the new chroot directory, attempted chroot again, and received |
| 22:51.29 | agike | “bash: passwd: command not found.” |
| 22:51.31 | agike | I executed the script at the above url and found myself in chroot jail. |
| 22:51.34 | agike | Rebooting, I tried pressing ‘e’ at Grub2 boot, added ‘init=/bin/bash’ and on first attempt received |
| 22:51.37 | agike | “bash: passwd: command not found.” |
| 22:51.39 | agike | but on second attempt received |
| 22:51.42 | agike | “bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): |
| 22:51.44 | agike | Inappropriate ioctl for device. |
| 22:51.47 | agike | bash:no job control in this shell.” |
| 22:51.49 | agike | I tried |
| 22:51.52 | agike | debootstrap --arch i686 sid /mnt/debian http:/http.debian.net/debian |
| 22:51.54 | agike | but received |
| 22:51.57 | agike | #uname -m i686 |
| 22:51.59 | agike | E: Invalid release file, no entry for main binary-i686/Packages |
| 22:52.02 | agike | I can still boot into /dev/hdb and access material from /dev/hda. |
| 22:52.04 | agike | What am I missing here ? It should be trivial to chroot into and fix problems on a mounted drive. |
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| 22:55.37 | NMJerry | U might need yo update grub or lilo |
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| 22:58.00 | Danielc1234 | Hi all, just tried to install java and got this error. Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 22:58.01 | Danielc1234 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.11 | Danielc1234 | Can someone tell me what I need to do to correct this? |
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| 22:59.28 | JoeE | I created two partitions on /dev/cciss/c0d1 and ran "mke2fs -j /dev/cciss/c0d1p2", but am receiving the following error: "inode_size (128) * inodes_count (0) too big for a filesystem with 0 blocks, specify higher inode_ratio". Am I doing something wrong? |
| 23:00.13 | JoeE | note that I ran the same mke2fs command for c0d1p1 without any issues |
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| 23:01.42 | JoeE | does the second partition need to be an extended partition, or a primary? |
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| 23:02.47 | jhutchins | JoeE: extend partitions are only necessary if you will have more than four. |
| 23:02.55 | centrx | Danielc1234, Does it say anything about the error? |
| 23:03.04 | centrx | Danielc1234, What happens if you run: apt-get install tzdata |
| 23:03.15 | jhutchins | JoeE: Use fdisk -l to check your partition table. The error appears to claim one partition is zero blocks. |
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| 23:03.41 | Danielc1234 | Hi centrx this was also part of the error E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 23:04.01 | JoeE | jhutchins: fdisk -l looks fine to me: "/dev/cciss/c0d1p1 1 9960 80003668+ 83 Linux" and "/dev/cciss/c0d1p2 9961 26564 133371630 83 Linux" |
| 23:04.36 | JoeE | I'm not sure what the + means at the end, though |
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| 23:05.10 | zinx | what was hal replaced with, as far as configuring hotplug devices like keyboards? |
| 23:05.12 | Danielc1234 | centrx this was the whole process http://pastie.org/private/q0krsfpekrhqxkj7sdwn1w |
| 23:06.07 | zinx | hmm, xinput2 it seems |
| 23:06.11 | JoeE | fyi, I used cfdisk to create the partitions. Is that still the preferred method? There isn't any data on either partition yet, so I can start over if needed |
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| 23:07.41 | NMJerry | Did yoykfs jope |
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| 23:08.13 | NMJerry | Joee did u mk.a filesystem |
| 23:08.21 | branbran | how do i get the key to verify debian? |
| 23:08.33 | JoeE | I did on the first partition, but receive that error on the second one |
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| 23:09.35 | NMJerry | Id say redo 2nd 1 |
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| 23:10.22 | JoeE | i'm gonna redo them both to be safe |
| 23:10.25 | centrx | Danielc1234, Okay so the triggering error is debconf: DbDriver "config": could not open /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 23:10.54 | centrx | Danielc1234, Solutions appear to be at http://askubuntu.com/questions/136881/unable-to-install-due-to-debconf-problem |
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| 23:11.46 | centrx | Danielc1234, Namely 1) Possibly there is a debconf process running that needs to finish. 2) Possibly that directory does not exist and needs to be created. 3) Possibly the *.dat files in that directory should be deleted, resetting the cache |
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| 23:12.16 | jhutchins | JoeE: Partition 1 begins at 9960. Partition 2 begins at 9661. Not gonna work. |
| 23:12.33 | Danielc1234 | centrx I see there seems to be several solutions as well, which one should I try? |
| 23:12.40 | axel_foley | how to boot rootfs from initramfs????? rootfs is on /dev/sda2 |
| 23:12.51 | JoeE | yeah, I just saw that. looks like cfdisk blew chunks all over the partition table |
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| 23:13.03 | jhutchins | Ah well. Simple to fix. |
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| 23:14.40 | Danielc1234 | I see on the server I have a /var/cache/ (but no debconf but I also have a /var/cache2/deconf/config.dat |
| 23:15.12 | centrx | daniel-s_, odd |
| 23:15.25 | centrx | Try creating the directory as root, sudo mkdir /var/cache/debconf |
| 23:15.30 | centrx | Danielc1234, |
| 23:16.12 | JoeE | how would I ensure that the partitions end on a cylinder boundary in fdisk? |
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| 23:17.25 | JoeE | according to fdisk, the drive has 52299 cylinders |
| 23:17.25 | NMJerry | Jhurchins hw many sectors apart dhould partitions be anyway? |
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| 23:20.05 | JoeE | never mind; doesn't seem to be an issue |
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| 23:21.01 | Danielc1234 | centrx I created that folder, but do I need to create the file as well? And more importantly will this hurt anything if there is that cache2 folder with it in there? |
| 23:21.19 | centrx | Danielc1234, No it shouldn't |
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| 23:21.30 | JoeE | thanks for the help everyone. I think I'll toss cfdisk and go back to fdisk |
| 23:21.38 | centrx | Danielc1234, Creating the directory may be enough, see if installing tzdata works now :) |
| 23:21.47 | frostschutz | JoeE, cylinders isn't an issue, 4k sectors or such may be - if in doubt, align to MiB |
| 23:21.58 | Danielc1234 | would it hurt if I just try to re-install the whole thing? |
| 23:22.04 | NMJerry | Cffdisk is gpod |
| 23:22.13 | frostschutz | JoeE, parted is nice |
| 23:22.14 | JoeE | frostschutz: I forgot to pass the flags -cu to fdisk |
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| 23:24.08 | ubd | i found out cause of the url resolve problem for me, but i dont know how to fix it, i want to disable ipv6? |
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| 23:24.51 | centrx | Danielc1234, nope |
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| 23:25.05 | centrx | Danielc1234, should be fine, apt is very tolerant |
| 23:25.43 | josefig | someone has tried huge memory and xen kernel ? on debian wheezy |
| 23:27.17 | ubd | on the web it says i should "echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf" but that conf file does not seem to exist should i create one or is it somewhere else? |
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| 23:28.38 | centrx | ubd, That will create the file. Probably any file created under /etc/sysctl.d gets added to the sysctl startup process or something |
| 23:28.47 | JoeE | jhutchins: what should my start value be for partition 2? |
| 23:29.25 | ubd | well perm denied.. im using sudo though? |
| 23:29.26 | Danielc1234 | centrx debconf: DbDriver "config": could not open /var/cache/debconf/config.dat DO I need to create the file as well or just the folder it resides in? |
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| 23:31.45 | branbran | I have everything setup to verify signatures. Where do i get the public keys of the project. |
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| 23:31.52 | branbran | the directions are not clear |
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| 23:32.51 | themill | branbran: what does "everything" mean here? What keys are you looking for? |
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| 23:33.14 | branbran | to veryify the cd image |
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| 23:34.32 | lamarus | in debian 7... if i run "sudo apt-get install php5" which version of php am i going to get? 5.5? |
| 23:34.35 | centrx | Danielc1234, What are the permissions on /var/cache/debconf ? |
| 23:34.55 | centrx | lamarus, http://packages.debian.org/php5 |
| 23:35.01 | centrx | lamarus, Or apt-cache show php5 |
| 23:35.07 | lamarus | thankyou centrx |
| 23:35.14 | Danielc1234 | centrx I think I got it. seems to have installed this time okay. |
| 23:35.22 | centrx | Great! What happened? |
| 23:35.34 | Danielc1234 | Will this automatically add this to init.d so if the server restarts it will load? |
| 23:35.58 | Danielc1234 | centrx I went ahead and created the file as well, not just the folder |
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| 23:37.46 | centrx | interesting |
| 23:37.48 | themill | branbran: the keys that sign that package are listed at http://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
| 23:37.52 | centrx | Danielc1234, Add what to init.d? the JRE? |
| 23:38.24 | Danielc1234 | centrx not sure if that is the right terminology. Will java restart automatically if the server reboots? |
| 23:38.28 | branbran | Ive been there |
| 23:38.32 | themill | branbran: they are also in the debian-keyring package that is available to existing debian installations and in most derivatives |
| 23:38.33 | Danielc1234 | as a service |
| 23:38.48 | branbran | I dont have debian |
| 23:39.01 | centrx | Danielc1234, If you install a service, it will be added to init.d automatically when you install it with apt-get |
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| 23:39.11 | centrx | Danielc1234, But I do not think the JRE has a service in it |
| 23:39.18 | NMJerry | U run java apps like java app |
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| 23:40.25 | branbran | i was wondering which user signature was used |
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| 23:41.09 | d33tah | how to upgrade only packages that provide security updates? |
| 23:41.49 | centrx | d33tah, Are you using the stable release? |
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| 23:42.10 | d33tah | centrx: 7.1 |
| 23:42.20 | Danielc1234 | so java is not a service at all? I do not see it in init.d folder. So the extension will know to run it? |
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| 23:42.29 | Danielc1234 | I've not used it before on a server |
| 23:42.46 | NMJerry | Java is a commnd |
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| 23:43.06 | themill | branbran: what do you mean "which user signature"? |
| 23:43.25 | ompaul | Danielc1234: linux is not limited by an extension type to indicate if it is executable, that's kind of limiting |
| 23:43.35 | centrx | d33tah, Okay, so as long as your package sources are pointing to the wheezy release and wheezy/updates, you will only get the important security and data integrity updates for the stable release |
| 23:44.00 | centrx | d33tah, Debian is very strict about what is updated on the stable release. |
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| 23:44.01 | Danielc1234 | ompaul yeah I understand now. I was just thinking in the way of a service that is constantly available. |
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| 23:44.25 | ompaul | Danielc1234: research "how to run a daemon" |
| 23:44.31 | centrx | d33tah, You will not be getting feature updates or anything, it is only security updates and critical bug updates |
| 23:44.46 | centrx | d33tah, As long as it points at the release name "wheezy" and "wheezy/updates" |
| 23:44.49 | d33tah | centrx: is that a bad idea to grep for security in sources.list and keep only these? |
| 23:44.51 | Danielc1234 | I see different folders that the java created, but which one am I going to want to point the extension? |
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| 23:45.12 | Chrys0pras3 | Hey guys, i'm having trouble upgrading to the 3.11 kernel. If I select the new image on grub, it finds the lvm partition, but it doesn't prompt for a password to unlock the luks device. If I choose the older image (3.7) everything works fine. I think cryptsetup was also update at the same time, don't know if it's related? |
| 23:45.14 | centrx | d33tah, It is certainly abnormal. I do not know that it will break anything |
| 23:45.32 | centrx | d33tah, Only the super-user root can install software to the system |
| 23:45.47 | d33tah | centrx: okay. so, another idea. is it safe to cron apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade? |
| 23:45.53 | centrx | d33tah, And you might want to install software. If you do install additional software, it will be from the stable release |
| 23:46.00 | branbran | I see debian does it differntly than fedora |
| 23:46.11 | d33tah | centrx: that's not what i mean. i mean only keeping the repository of security.debian.org |
| 23:46.14 | branbran | it does it more simplistically |
| 23:46.30 | ompaul | Danielc1234: doesn't work like that,you write your code, at the top of this text file you will call your java - so assuming you call your program RightSaidFred you could just call it as java ./RightSaidFred (from within the same directory) |
| 23:46.37 | ompaul | Danielc1234: as the script |
| 23:47.01 | Danielc1234 | In the parameters of the admin of the extension that is requesting java. It is asking for the directory of where it is installed. |
| 23:47.03 | centrx | d33tah, Right, but the main repository is usually still kept in there. If you remove it, you would not be able to install any other software from apt unless there happens to have been a security update for it. |
| 23:47.11 | Danielc1234 | I think the extension does that part already |
| 23:47.15 | centrx | d33tah, And if you remove it, there might be unexpected effects |
| 23:47.28 | d33tah | centrx: good point. |
| 23:47.36 | ompaul | Danielc1234: so do this type which java that will return what I think you want |
| 23:47.42 | d33tah | centrx: 00:45:47 d33tah $ centrx: okay. so, another idea. is it safe to cron apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade? |
| 23:47.46 | ompaul | Danielc1234: you say extension, for a browser? |
| 23:47.50 | centrx | d33tah, It should be safe to cron apt-get update and apt-get -y upgrade. I like to know what is going on, so I would not do it myself |
| 23:48.15 | themill | branbran: looks the same to me -- both distributions use an sha256sum that is signed. |
| 23:48.26 | centrx | d33tah, Apparently there is a package called "cron-apt" that might be relevant |
| 23:48.46 | Danielc1234 | ompaul no this is a magento extension. |
| 23:48.57 | d33tah | centrx: thanks, i'll check it out. |
| 23:49.01 | centrx | d33tah, You do want to make sure that sources.list is pointed to "wheezy" and not to "stable". If it is pointed to "stable", then on the next stable release, the upgrade will do a massive upgrade to the next stable release |
| 23:49.22 | polly | is there a way to auto-rename files when moving (if the filename already exists) |
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| 23:50.13 | Danielc1234 | ompaul this is what it is asking for... The location of java. Usually "java" or "/usr/bin/java" or "/usr/java/bin/java" |
| 23:50.43 | themill | polly: mv --backup … might be what you are looking for |
| 23:50.47 | NMJerry | Danial u 1st compile the jaba app lile javac app.java. then i run like java app. But extensions generally no impoortant in linux |
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| 23:50.48 | ompaul | Danielc1234: and I told you type which java |
| 23:50.56 | polly | thanks themill, il look into it |
| 23:51.01 | ompaul | Danielc1234: that is actually a command |
| 23:51.20 | NMJerry | Right |
| 23:51.23 | Danielc1234 | ompaul LOLOLOL |
| 23:51.36 | d33tah | centrx: will keep that in mind. atm it's configured ok. |
| 23:51.49 | Danielc1234 | ompaul and there IT IS! /usr/bin/java |
| 23:52.19 | Danielc1234 | okay, so that is where I am going to point it. |
| 23:52.37 | ompaul | ,v magneto |
| 23:52.38 | judd | No package named 'magneto' was found in i386. |
| 23:52.42 | ompaul | thought as much |
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| 23:53.23 | Danielc1234 | apparently this uses java to JS minify by using YUI compressor |
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| 23:53.30 | pbk239 | when you don't use X server and want to switch from one wifi network to another is ifconfig the way to do it? |
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| 23:53.55 | Danielc1234 | also it has JSmin (php) so not sure which one will be better. |
| 23:54.03 | NMJerry | Danial bin directory sjould be in parh allready. Just yype java |
| 23:54.42 | ompaul | Danielc1234: frankly anything specific to magneto you are in the wrong place, this is a debian channel; it is I'd figure somewhat safe to assume I'd guess nobody apart from you is using that in here. |
| 23:54.45 | nkuttler | pbk239: more like iwconfig.. ecrypted? |
| 23:54.49 | NMJerry | Browsers will know where to find it |
| 23:55.29 | nkuttler | pbk239: actually, i think nm might have a cli interface |
| 23:55.39 | Danielc1234 | ompaul well our server is debian and no one in magento knows that either. |
| 23:55.42 | pbk239 | nkuttler: one is wpa and that other is open, but has a gateway that asks for a password once the browser opens |
| 23:56.00 | Danielc1234 | this was more of a debian issue though. |
| 23:56.09 | ompaul | Danielc1234: that is your call, I note they expected it to be a cloud based solution given their web site |
| 23:56.34 | NMJerry | Guis kust call java like a cpmmand |
| 23:56.46 | Danielc1234 | we are using amazon |
| 23:57.40 | Danielc1234 | and built this server we are using....debain is very good. With nginx as webserver...screams. |
| 23:58.21 | Danielc1234 | we are on debian 6...is it a very big deal to get up to the 7? |
| 23:58.54 | nkuttler | Danielc1234: yes. not urgent yet, but only a few months left |
| 23:58.55 | ompaul | that depends - if you are setting this up I'd say back off and do it on 7 from scratch |
| 23:58.57 | themill | Danielc1234: it's easy enough but non-trivial. You should follow the instructions in the release notes for wheezy |
| 23:59.04 | themill | dpkg: tell Danielc1234 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 23:59.57 | Danielc1234 | okay, well thanks for all your help! I'm gonna go do some reading now... |
