| 00:00.00 | Belial` | bitwize, who knows where he'll be in 5-7 years. |
| 00:00.09 | Belial` | until then |
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| 00:03.49 | antithesis__ | I'm inside Debian Testing but I can't find all packages that are supposed to be in the repositories, according to packages.debian.org. Does anyone know what I could try? |
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| 00:04.58 | metalliqaz | okay there is some seriously strange stuff going on here with Debian's default exim config |
| 00:05.27 | metalliqaz | when i configure for "internet site" or smarthost, it always fails to connect to the smtp server |
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| 00:06.26 | Belial` | antithesis__, what exactly are you looking for? |
| 00:06.38 | antithesis__ | Belial`, notion |
| 00:07.28 | abrotman | dpkg: tell antithesis__ about non-free |
| 00:07.56 | antithesis__ | Hm |
| 00:08.01 | antithesis__ | I had no idea that was non-free? |
| 00:08.46 | dvs | antithesis__: It says that in the packages.debian.org page |
| 00:09.04 | somiaj | antithesis__: when reading the info from packages.debian.org it tells you if it comes from main, contrib or non-free |
| 00:09.23 | antithesis__ | okthx |
| 00:09.23 | dvs | well, contrib and non-free. main is assumed. |
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| 00:10.32 | themill | looks at the copyright file for notion and scratches his head |
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| 00:13.58 | abrotman | themill: do you remember all the nonsense surrunding that guy? |
| 00:14.57 | antithesis__ | Is it drama time? |
| 00:15.02 | antithesis__ | I _love_ drama time |
| 00:15.45 | antithesis__ | Tell us the story abrotman |
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| 00:20.16 | chrisoprase | Hi, is it valid to use more than one break=premount|mount|mountroot on the kernel line? |
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| 00:24.32 | easyeasy | so i figured out the minimal packages that X actually requires |
| 00:25.10 | easyeasy | the meta is a farce |
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| 00:28.33 | metalliqaz | please can anyone help me, i need my system to forward system mail to a real email address, but my ISP blocks port 25 |
| 00:28.40 | metalliqaz | i can't figure out how to do it |
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| 00:30.27 | abrotman | antithesis__: google should be able to figure it out |
| 00:31.09 | abrotman | metalliqaz: use your ISP as a smarthost |
| 00:31.19 | abrotman | metalliqaz: or use port 587 to your own server |
| 00:32.08 | metalliqaz | i don't know how to do that |
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| 00:32.21 | metalliqaz | i'm following http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en |
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| 00:32.47 | metalliqaz | and thishttp://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html |
| 00:32.51 | metalliqaz | oops |
| 00:33.30 | metalliqaz | it just keeps saying connection timed out |
| 00:33.36 | metalliqaz | my network is fine |
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| 00:34.56 | metalliqaz | i can't even find where that script is putting the final config |
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| 00:41.36 | pokeswap | how do I install a package on live build that is not in an official repo? |
| 00:44.13 | pokeswap | am I asking on the right chan? |
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| 00:52.28 | pokeswap | ??? |
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| 00:55.44 | MrFrood | pokeswap: #debian-live on the oftc server |
| 00:56.01 | pokeswap | what server is that? |
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| 00:58.06 | MrFrood | !oftc |
| 00:58.06 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
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| 01:07.08 | jaami | need to install glibc fro 32bit on 64bit debian because eclipse bundle for android does not run on 64bit. how to enable 32bit file execution in debian 64bit? |
| 01:07.44 | dvs | dpkg --add-architecture amd64, I think |
| 01:07.46 | dpkg | gets an architect to start planning a new hppa palace |
| 01:07.58 | dvs | duh |
| 01:08.03 | Delf | Trying to install fglrx-control and fglrx-driver. This is what I get http://paste.debian.net/75851/ |
| 01:08.08 | dvs | dpkg --add-architecture 386 |
| 01:08.09 | dpkg | gets an architect to start planning a new geary chipset |
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| 01:11.07 | jaami | please answer my question, what i need to do to run a 32bit executeable on debian 64bit? |
| 01:11.12 | rudi_s | jaami: dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 01:11.20 | jaami | ic , thanks |
| 01:11.26 | rudi_s | As dvs already said. Then install the libc for i386. |
| 01:11.44 | rudi_s | However, it might not work and you might have to modifiy LD_LIBRARY_PATH. |
| 01:12.02 | rudi_s | Depends how the program is built. |
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| 01:13.20 | Greeks | hello all |
| 01:13.33 | jaami | rudi_s, hmm, i think i should check again if android bundle is available for 64bit debian. to stay away from many changes |
| 01:13.55 | Greeks | Im facing a little problem my update-rc.d doesnt function anymore |
| 01:13.55 | rudi_s | jaami: Good idea ;-) |
| 01:14.01 | Greeks | is there anyway to reinstall it |
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| 01:16.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is there something wrong with iptables-{save,restore} in Jessie? I have a Jessie container and iptables-save shows no output while iptables-restore fails to parse a ruleset, which is ok on my host. |
| 01:16.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | iptables itself seems to work just fine. |
| 01:16.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | It could be container-related but I thought I should ask first. |
| 01:17.42 | smasha82 | hi all - im currenlty having an issue with debian7.3 running a bonded interface setup with mulitiple vlans - only the first configured vlan is being loaded and is responding the rest come up with "RTNETLINK answers: file exists, failed to bring up bond1.XXX" |
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| 01:20.38 | Delf | Help..? |
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| 01:22.05 | SPF | Delf: did you install build-essential ? |
| 01:22.41 | SPF | Delf: and kernel headers and kernel source ? |
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| 01:33.15 | Delf | SPF: Thank you. It was the kernel source that was missing. |
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| 01:36.15 | xhc_[slovakia] | hi I see if there is a command with need to be a root, bash sends "command not found", but if I am logged as root, same command is running.. how change "command not found" to message "need to be root" ? :-) |
| 01:36.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | Interesting... looks like the 'owner' match has trouble working in containers. |
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| 01:37.23 | dvs | xhc_[slovakia]: Use sudo? |
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| 01:37.34 | somiaj | xhc_[slovakia]: you can't really do that, the issue is your $PATH variable. /sbin and /usr/sbin are not in normal user paths, so programs inside will not be found via a $PATH |
| 01:37.54 | somiaj | xhc_[slovakia]: for example, notice the difference between 'ifconfig' and '/sbin/ifcofnig' as a normal user |
| 01:38.44 | xhc_[slovakia] | dvs: yes, command with sudo works, but I want just change the message to "need to root privilegy" or something else, not "command not found" |
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| 01:40.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | xhc_[slovakia]: if you add /usr/sbin and /sbin to path, they often bluntly fail with a "permission denied" message in case root is really neede. |
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| 01:42.05 | Delf | Managed to install fglrx but not xorg won't start. I'm getting http://paste.debian.net/75854/ |
| 01:44.44 | xhc_[slovakia] | somiaj: yes exactly ifconfig makes it .... /sbin/ifconfig runs |
| 01:45.20 | xhc_[slovakia] | Eduard_Munteanu: do you mean adding it to bashrc? |
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| 01:46.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | xhc_[slovakia]: that is one way... you probably shouldn't though. Get into the habit of using tab completion and you'll see they don't come up. :) |
| 01:47.02 | xhc_[slovakia] | Eduard_Munteanu: I have tab completion active ) |
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| 02:17.21 | jhutchins | xhc_[slovakia]: There are better things you could be doing with your time. |
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| 02:19.56 | xhc_[slovakia] | jhutchins: the reason is not say that some command not found if exists... better is saying command exists but need root acces |
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| 02:20.47 | xhc_[slovakia] | ifconfig and command lkjhgfdsfgh = same info: command not found .. I think, no good info |
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| 02:21.32 | abrotman | xhc_[slovakia]: then change your path |
| 02:22.08 | xhc_[slovakia] | abrotman: yes I am reading some web page about that |
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| 02:27.36 | Brett1999 | Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me with BSPWM? |
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| 02:30.58 | xhc_[slovakia] | ok.. added to .profile path with sbin and usr/sbin .. why is this not default in debian install? |
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| 02:31.26 | somiaj | xhc_[slovakia]: because most of the programs in /sbin and /usr/sbin are not needed to be run by normal users |
| 02:31.27 | abrotman | because it shouldn't be |
| 02:31.49 | Dewi | xhc_[slovakia]: I believe they are for root |
| 02:31.57 | Brett1999 | I have no .xinit file. Shouldn't it be there by default? |
| 02:32.28 | somiaj | Brett1999: no, debian uses .xsession but even if that is not there, there are session/inits provided with the wm/de you use |
| 02:32.45 | abrotman | Brett1999: it would be .xsession or .xinitrc, use .xsession |
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| 02:33.08 | Brett1999 | Ah, so I am reading the BSPWM wiki, and it says for me to add something to my .xinit file. What should I do then? |
| 02:33.49 | abrotman | what does it want you to add? |
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| 02:34.20 | somiaj | Brett1999: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:34.37 | Brett1999 | it wants me to add sxhkd & exec bspwm to the end of my .xinit file |
| 02:34.45 | abrotman | so use .xsession |
| 02:34.54 | Brett1999 | somiaj- I am trying to set my WM to BSPWM |
| 02:35.08 | Brett1999 | Right now I believe it is Metacity |
| 02:35.26 | abrotman | I doubt it's metacity |
| 02:35.59 | Brett1999 | Oh |
| 02:36.38 | xhc_[slovakia] | ok I will read more about that .. thnx |
| 02:36.39 | Brett1999 | Where is .xsession located? It's not in my home directory. |
| 02:36.45 | xhc_[slovakia] | bye |
| 02:36.48 | zinx | Brett1999: if it's not there, you'll have to create it |
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| 02:36.56 | somiaj | Brett1999: you can use .xsession for that. Yes, $HOME/.xsession create it and put in what it says |
| 02:37.03 | Brett1999 | Okay |
| 02:37.06 | somiaj | Brett1999: when you log in from your display manager you choose the default session I belive. |
| 02:37.15 | Brett1999 | Yes |
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| 02:38.29 | Brett1999 | Also, whenever I do startx, my display gets really tiny and I have to reboot |
| 02:38.40 | Brett1999 | Is this common? |
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| 02:40.45 | Brett1999 | somiaj- Yes, I can select the WM when I log in, but bspwm is not in the list |
| 02:41.23 | somiaj | as I said choose the default setting I belive |
| 02:41.53 | somiaj | that uses what ever you put in your .xsession file insted of one of the premade sessions. If you wanted to add to that list you would have ot modify your display manager and configure a session for it |
| 02:42.48 | xhc_[slovakia] | ahhhh the path allows me to run command, but this is not solution for my question :-) I want change message info to all command in sbin usr/sbin to permission denied and no "command not found" :-) |
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| 02:44.15 | themill | xhc_[slovakia]: you could just add /sbin and /usr/sbin to your PATH if that's what you want. |
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| 02:44.44 | somiaj | themill: he did that, but now commands run, or partialy run and he wants |
| 02:44.49 | themill | (no permission is denied here, the command is not found because your shell didn't look in the right place) |
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| 02:45.09 | somiaj | themill: he wants the error message to change so he knows 'oh this is a root command' |
| 02:45.30 | themill | the program will say that when it is run |
| 02:46.19 | xhc_[slovakia] | themill: I added path to .profile with /sbin /usr/sbin and if I run fdisk -l , command runs ...if I dont have path in .profile, it send me info command not found, but I want info "permission denied" then I know, command exists, but need root |
| 02:46.38 | themill | xhc_[slovakia]: permission denied would be incorrect |
| 02:46.49 | xhc_[slovakia] | somiaj: exactly :-)) |
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| 02:46.52 | Brett1999 | Should the .xsession file have anything in it to start with, or only what I put in it? |
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| 02:48.33 | somiaj | Brett1999: in a simple case it just needs one line to launch the wm you want, 'exec /path/to/wm/binary' |
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| 02:49.24 | Brett1999 | Ok |
| 02:49.42 | Brett1999 | Should there be a #! line at the top? |
| 02:49.46 | xhc_[slovakia] | themill: I want it like in archlinux for example: if I write fdisk -l = permission denied, lkjhgfghjk = command not found ...in debian fdisk -l + lkjhgghjk = same message, and I think thats more incorrect |
| 02:49.55 | glenrock | i'm using debian testing. my sound has stopped working for the second time. rebooting fixed the problem last time. is there a way i can fix my sound without having to reboot? |
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| 02:50.41 | somiaj | Brett1999: not needed because it isn't a script ran though the shell. |
| 02:51.18 | somiaj | glenrock: any clue why it stopped working. If it is just rebooting the sound module, modprobe -r, then modprobe the sound modules that is effectivally rebooting that part |
| 02:51.43 | glenrock | somiaj: i haven't been able to identify what's killing it. i'll try modprobe |
| 02:52.05 | Brett1999 | Wow- for some reason my screen resolution is now off when I log in with the system default WM |
| 02:52.09 | xhc_[slovakia] | themill: other thing, with message permisson denied I know command is installed, but need root password |
| 02:52.18 | Brett1999 | It is "cropped" and only showing a part of the debian wallpaper |
| 02:52.49 | themill | xhc_[slovakia]: you can like that all you want, but saying "permission denied" when it's just that the command is not found or is in sbin would be wrong. Doing whatever arch is doing there would only be about 5 lines of code in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 02:53.06 | xhc_[slovakia] | I dont want write every new command with sudo :-))) |
| 02:53.57 | xhc_[slovakia] | themill: ok going to see arch's bash.bashrc |
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| 02:55.03 | abrotman | Remember when it was easier because the commands weren't in your path ... |
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| 02:58.58 | garylabronz | http://pastebin.com/sgkSxNsq, how do i fix that? its rendering issues in xterm |
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| 02:59.34 | abrotman | garylabronz: what's your locale? |
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| 03:01.00 | garylabronz | it should either bet en_US-utf.8 |
| 03:01.02 | garylabronz | or en_AU |
| 03:01.06 | garylabronz | how do i check? |
| 03:01.17 | abrotman | type 'locale'? |
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| 03:01.25 | Gregor2 | how can i get the fucking menubar back at xchat? |
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| 03:01.43 | themill | Gregor2: swearing at it is unlikely to work. |
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| 03:02.06 | Gregor2 | what |
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| 03:02.14 | Gregor2 | annyone has xchat |
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| 03:02.20 | abrotman | they do in #xchat |
| 03:02.24 | Delf | Gregor2: /j #xchat |
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| 03:02.46 | abrotman | more than likely, it's there, just that you've moved it all the way over |
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| 03:03.16 | somiaj | Brett1999: sounds like you need to configure your new wm to set it the right size. |
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| 03:09.48 | garylabronz | http://pastebin.com/LjL3DkcM, is what ive gotten now. LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 and xterm was started with -u8 |
| 03:10.01 | garylabronz | any ideas how to get it to redner |
| 03:10.03 | garylabronz | ? |
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| 03:19.30 | garylabronz | feck $LANG wasnt getting set right |
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| 03:22.00 | ShapeShifter499 | oops |
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| 03:22.42 | ShapeShifter499 | sorry ignore, that was supposed to be a join command |
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| 03:23.33 | ShapeShifter499 | xD |
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| 03:36.39 | Se7enLC | Can anyone tell me how to upgrade python? apt-get install python tells me that it needs 2.7.5 but it's going to install 2.7.2 |
| 03:36.58 | dvs | ,v python |
| 03:36.59 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.5-5; sid: 2.7.5-5 |
| 03:37.19 | dvs | yeah, took some packages from testing/unstable |
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| 03:38.36 | Se7enLC | ok, I guess my follow-up would then be, what does this mean: " python : Depends: python2.7 (>= 2.7.5-1~) but 2.7.2-9 is to be installed" |
| 03:39.32 | themill | Se7enLC: stop mixing packages that are intended for different releases of debian |
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| 03:40.25 | Se7enLC | themill, It wasn't intentional - suggestions on undoing that? I was just trying to update chrome |
| 03:41.11 | themill | so the only package you've played with is chrome/ |
| 03:41.13 | themill | ? |
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| 03:42.03 | Se7enLC | no, this is an old machine. It was installed at 5.0 and has been upgraded only occasionally |
| 03:42.32 | Se7enLC | I believe it's at 7 now. I'm not as familiar with debian as I am with other distributions, so I'm at a loss for updates |
| 03:42.33 | themill | well umm... you might like to start by upgrading it to a supported release |
| 03:43.02 | themill | what's the output of "apt-cache policy apt dpkg perl python libc6; apt-cache policy" at the moment? |
| 03:45.12 | Se7enLC | http://paste.debian.net/75865/, http://paste.debian.net/75866/ |
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| 03:45.49 | themill | egads what a mess |
| 03:46.07 | Se7enLC | indeed |
| 03:46.16 | Se7enLC | I'm guessing I have a lot of cruft in my sources |
| 03:46.25 | themill | that's not the only problem... |
| 03:46.37 | themill | If you want to run jessie or sid you can get there from here. Otherwise, you'll be wanting to reinstall that. |
| 03:47.28 | Se7enLC | what versions are those? |
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| 03:48.43 | casaper | mangling with efi and grub in a rescue system on a macbookpro i just happend to accidently overwrite /boot/{vmlinux|initrd.img} . Now I ended up with a /boot containing only /boot/grub. How can I get my kernels back with debian. apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-amd64 does something, but there's no images showing up in /boot where does debian store them. Must be somewhere in /usr, but where in /usr? |
| 03:48.44 | Se7enLC | wait, is jessie even out? |
| 03:49.27 | Se7enLC | I'm not trying to get to cutting edge of anything, just trying to clean up what it wants to update. Maybe cleaning out my sources is the better option |
| 03:49.59 | dvs | Se7enLC: Too late for that. You are running at least testing right now. |
| 03:50.49 | Se7enLC | I see my problem, I had an unstable line in my sources |
| 03:51.01 | casaper | and linux-image ist not whichable and neither wherisable |
| 03:51.05 | Se7enLC | and here I thought my problems were because it was too OLD. |
| 03:51.57 | themill | Se7enLC: you are running a mixture of squeeze, wheezy and sid at the moment. |
| 03:52.10 | Se7enLC | yeah, that sounds about right. :-/ |
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| 03:53.02 | Se7enLC | so I guess moving to sid is better than moving back |
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| 03:57.27 | Brettl1999 | Hi, I am trying to configure my WM. I was told earlier to use .xsession instead of .xinitrc, but when the file .xsession exists, it does not let me log in. |
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| 03:58.38 | dgeary2 | how to preseed package install? |
| 03:59.42 | centrx | Brett1999, I use xinitrc myself, but I do not know much about it |
| 03:59.45 | centrx | dgeary2, What do you mean? |
| 04:00.50 | centrx | Brett1999, It is possible that the command(s) you are running in .xsession are stopping the normal process? What do you have in .xsession |
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| 04:02.18 | dgeary2 | centrx, base system is already installed. attempting to configure automated package install (using puppet). want to pre-answer the debconf questions that are ordinarily displayed when installing package via eg apt-get or aptitude. |
| 04:02.54 | centrx | dgeary2, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed ? |
| 04:05.19 | Se7enLC | wow, that was remarkably easy to fix. I guess I'm used to gentoo updates always going poorly |
| 04:06.32 | centrx | Debian packages are very stable |
| 04:07.41 | Se7enLC | despite my best efforts, it still boots! |
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| 04:11.31 | dgeary2 | centrx, i had a look at the page you mentioned, but was not able to find any information on how to use preseeding after the system is already installed |
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| 04:14.05 | centrx | dgeary2, Why..? |
| 04:14.29 | dgeary2 | http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/1/wiki/debian_preseed_patterns |
| 04:14.30 | centrx | dgeary2, How about "dpkg-preconfigure" |
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| 04:15.27 | lazers | Brettl1999: .Xsession, not .xsession -- Could it be the problem? :) |
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| 04:16.00 | zophy | dfdgfwrege |
| 04:16.02 | Brettl1999 | Thanks, I will try redoing it with a file names .Xsession |
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| 04:17.49 | Brettl1999 | no, that did not work for me |
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| 04:18.13 | Brettl1999 | whenever there is any file in my home directory names .Xsession, when I log in it looks like this |
| 04:18.35 | Brettl1999 | http://i.imgur.com/105MCIi.png |
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| 04:20.46 | dgeary2 | centrx, was not aware of dpkg-preconfigure. thanks for that. however the puppetlabs article i mentioned looks more relevant. would like to know what it is doing in the back-end for preseeding though... |
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| 04:58.27 | somiaj | lazers: rsync is a good tool for syncing things, though a backup system also allows you to recover things for certain dates (not just have a sync in case of a failure) |
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| 04:59.32 | somiaj | lazers: so I would decide if you want a full backup system, or just a system that prevents against hd failure (but won't help with user error, deleting files, etc) |
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| 05:01.08 | wedge | do both :D |
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| 05:02.27 | lazers | somiaj: I want to reduce a number of machines in the house and I sometimes have to delete files because I have it on other laptop or so. I was wondering if I should install barebone debian and use vagrant (or such) for my preferred linux/wm (and to play around ... leaving files in image).. like a server? |
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| 05:06.33 | lazers | somiaj: Can you explain (packages) for full backup system (or) just a system that prevents against hdd failtures? |
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| 05:10.14 | somiaj | well rsync is a nice way to keep multiple things synced, something like rdiff-backup is nice for a full backup solution |
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| 05:11.14 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/BackupAndRecovery |
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| 05:13.44 | lazers | somiaj: I will look at it. Maybe it's what I want. I want something painless. (One for that, another for system that prevents against hdd failures). |
| 05:13.50 | Rusty1 | i suppose there's always bacula |
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| 05:16.51 | ShapeShifter499 | anyone here use hexchat? |
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| 05:18.09 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi _5moufl hi __FBi hi __jae__ hi __marix hi _br_ hi _Gotta hi _KaszpiR_ hi _KaszpiR___ hi _Lucretia_ hi _piggy_ hi |
| 05:18.12 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi _Qman hi _rsc` hi _tremo hi _val_ hi `DiM hi `MArceLL` hi `vesrah hi `Z` hi aarcane hi aba_ hi |
| 05:18.14 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi aboman hi aboudreault hi abrotman hi Acceos hi AciD` hi acrocity hi Actreka hi adam8157 hi adan0s hi adc hi |
| 05:18.17 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi addaitech hi adi_ hi adkins hi Adran hi aegis hi aem` hi ageis hi AGoodName hi AimHere hi aindilis hi |
| 05:18.19 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi AJ_Z0 hi akp__ hi Aku506 hi Alam_Lenny hi alex_mayorga hi alexandros_c hi alexbligh hi alexlist hi alextreme hi AlexWkz hi |
| 05:18.22 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi Alina-malina hi AlsoDirkson hi althalus hi ambroff_ hi amcoder hi amitabha hi amospalla hi amphi hi andatche hi AngelDeath hi |
| 05:18.25 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi anis hi ankso hi anon4657 hi antihero hi AntiSpamMeta hi antonp hi antonym hi Apeiron` hi ApEtc hi apexil hi |
| 05:18.27 | ShapeShifter499 | oh shi--- |
| 05:18.28 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi APLU hi apt hi ArchDuke hi architekt hi Arconiaprime hi Ard1t hi arnoldB hi Arrowmaster hi Arroyo1010 hi Artpicre hi |
| 05:18.33 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi AsadH hi asakura hi ashka hi aster1sk hi asterismo hi astiak hi Atlas hi atomi hi austin987 hi av0idz hi |
| 05:18.36 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi avalarion hi axisys hi azizLIGHTS hi azswa hi Azuri hi b hi b00b hi babilen hi badiane_ka hi BarthezZ hi |
| 05:18.39 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi batrick hi BaW hi bbd hi bbdud3 hi bchamberlain hi bcwork hi beardy hi beboj hi bedouin hi beet0l hi |
| 05:18.41 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi Belial` hi bemep hi benf hi ben| hi Bercik hi bezaban hi bfit_ hi bharrison hi bier hi BiGBOi hi |
| 05:18.43 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi BillyZane hi bipolar hi Bish hi bitwize hi Bl4ckH4t__ hi bla hi blackest_mamba hi blank_ hi blast_hardcheese hi BlastHardcheese hi |
| 05:18.45 | ShapeShifter499 | RichieGoldstein_, hi |
| 05:18.46 | aarcane | ShapeShifter499, yes, why? |
| 05:18.46 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi bleomycin hi blip2 hi blitzed hi blubberdiblub hi blue hi Blue1 hi blueness hi bluesceada hi BlueShark hi blueyed hi |
| 05:18.49 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi bn` hi bocaneri hi bodam hi bolt hi borosky hi BotaniCar_ hi bp_ hi bps hi bramwelt hi bramwelt_ hi |
| 05:18.51 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi brandonj hi brenden1 hi Bretos hi brguy hi BrixSat hi brolin_empey hi brong_ hi BrouetteNC hi brx_ hi Bryanstein hi |
| 05:18.54 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi bst_ hi bt6 hi budai hi bugoff hi bullgard4 hi burn hi buu hi bw_ hi bwall hi bylzz hi |
| 05:18.56 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi bzed hi c0ded hi c0rtex hi c0urier hi Caesar hi caf hi calbasi hi Calcarine hi cali hi cantoma hi |
| 05:18.58 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi capri- hi caravel hi cardiel hi Carno hi casheew hi catohornet hi catsup hi caveat- hi Cavedude hi cbdev hi |
| 05:19.03 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi ccscanf hi Celelibi hi Celphish hi CEnnis91 hi centrx hi Cerise hi chalcedony hi ChanServ hi chattr hi Chetic hi |
| 05:19.06 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi Chex hi ChibaPet hi Chosi hi choupy_ hi ChrisH hi chrisirc hi Chrisje hi chrisoprase hi chrisward hi cian1500ww hi |
| 05:19.09 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi ciph3r hi cire hi CissWit hi civillian hi cj hi ckuehl hi clopez hi cloudster hi clu5ter hi cluelessperson hi |
| 05:19.12 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi clumpy43 hi cm13g09 hi codesoup hi codex1 hi comradekingu hi CookieJar hi cooldude hi copec hi corepb hi Corey hi |
| 05:19.15 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi CosmicB hi Coweater hi Cr0iX hi crane hi crashmag hi CrazyEddy hi cripto hi crOckpOt hi cruxeternus hi cryptomnesia hi |
| 05:19.18 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi ctmjr hi Cueball hi cuppscakes hi cusco hi cwillu_at_work hi CybDev hi Cyber54170 hi CyberSix hi cyberspace- hi Cybertinus hi |
| 05:19.21 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi Cyclohexane hi Cyis|afk hi cyphase hi D-Boy hi d1b hi D30 hi d33tah hi d3sync hi D_Rez hi Daemoen hi |
| 05:19.23 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi daemonkeeper hi Dagger hi DalekSec hi damentz hi danecando hi daniel-s hi danmackay hi danrough_ hi DarkAce-Z hi DarkPlayer hi |
| 05:19.26 | ShapeShifter499 | aarcane, I'm getting this issue where all user messages are being started with either a plus or minus sign based on ops or not |
| 05:19.26 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi darkthrone hi darsie hi daswort hi davidrussell hi Daviey hi dayangkun hi dbast hi dbristow hi Dbug hi deadalnix hi |
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| 05:19.29 | brong_ | when the ops are away the F$*#wits will play |
| 05:19.32 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi deathleff hi deathspawn hi deb hi debhelper hi debsan hi deed02392 hi Deele hi Deeps hi Defaultti hi defnordic hi |
| 05:19.35 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi Delf hi DelphicOkami hi deni hi denysonique hi der0b hi Derpman hi desti_T2 hi detha hi Devastator hi devurandom hi |
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| 05:19.37 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi Dewi hi dextrey hi dflurker_ hi dgeary2 hi dgriffi hi DHD hi DHost hi Diaoul hi Dibbler hi Diehard hi |
| 05:19.39 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi digdilem hi digilink hi dijenerate hi dimer hi dimir hi disposable2 hi Disson hi dizzylizzy hi djace hi djjunde hi |
| 05:19.41 | BlastHardcheese | !ops |
| 05:19.41 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 05:19.41 | centrx | I thought there was a bot to ban spammers |
| 05:19.42 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi DLange hi doebi hi DomaMuff1n hi dondelelcaro hi dondon hi DonVitoC- hi DonVitoCorleone hi dooglus hi DOUGHTY hi Downer hi |
| 05:19.45 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi dpkg hi Dreadnaught hi dreamon hi DrOwl hi DrRen hi drybjed hi dselect hi dtcrshr hi DURgod hi Dwarf hi |
| 05:19.47 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi dz2 hi e-mc^2 hi e1z0 hi ean hi eAndrius hi ebhtura hi eccentric hi ecj hi ectospasm hi edgar-rft hi |
| 05:19.49 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi edggeek hi edin- hi edk hi edog hi edwardly hi eikenb hi eir hi Elemeno-Work hi eLenoAr hi eliad hi |
| 05:19.51 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi elik hi elkingrey hi elvora hi EmleyMoor hi emma hi Emmanuel_Chanel hi EnergyCoffee hi enkrypt hi enZer0 hi Ep5iloN_ hi |
| 05:19.52 | daniel-s | :-( |
| 05:19.53 | centrx | dpkg: !op spammer |
| 05:19.54 | dpkg | centrx: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:19.55 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi epsilon hi epsylon` hi ered hi erry hi Eryn_1983_FL hi esaym153 hi eshlox hi eshy hi EToS hi euphoria hi |
| 05:19.56 | joj | !ops Please teach RichieGoldstein_ how to behave |
| 05:19.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: joj complains about: Please teach RichieGoldstein_ how to behave |
| 05:19.58 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi evdo hi everamzah_ hi eviltoaster hi Ex-Opesa hi ex0a hi ExeciN hi exekias hi Exio4 hi Expect hi f4cl3y hi |
| 05:20.01 | viscera | #debian fails at flood protection |
| 05:20.03 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi f8l hi FailPowah hi farn hi FaV1r3s hi fedai hi feisar_ hi felco hi felipe hi ferni hi fhffhqvb hi |
| 05:20.04 | daniel-s | This makes me sad. |
| 05:20.05 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi Fill hi finchd hi fionnan hi fire hi fireba11 hi fivethreeo hi flexo hi Fli-c hi Floops hi FloTiX hi |
| 05:20.06 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi FlyingFoX hi flypp hi fnwinter_ hi folivora hi forcer hi fortress_ hi framling hi frankie hi frdmn hi fredbarns hi |
| 05:20.09 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi fredsted hi freeroute hi freestate hi FreezingCold hi frew hi frlttrwrd hi Frosh hi frostbittenking hi frusif hi fryck_ hi |
| 05:20.10 | ShapeShifter499 | aarcane, I'd like to turn it off |
| 05:20.12 | brong_ | dpkg: ops spammer |
| 05:20.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: brong_ complains about: spammer |
| 05:20.12 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi fubbi hi funtapaz hi fuqi hi Furai hi futex hi fvalente hi g_r_eek hi gabedwrds hi GabrieleV hi gardar hi |
| 05:20.15 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi GeekMan1222|Desk hi ggherdov hi ghenry hi ghost64 hi GhostInTheShell hi gigetoo hi gisli hi githogori hi gkubed hi glebihan hi |
| 05:20.16 | aarcane | I just ignored him, now I have no problem :) |
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| 05:20.19 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi gm152 hi Gm4n hi gnat_x hi gnugr hi Godsey hi GorillaPatch hi gory hi gosx hi grache28 hi gravely hi |
| 05:20.20 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi graymalkin hi graytron hi grebo hi gregc2 hi grep0r hi grepper hi greves hi grim4593 hi grimeton hi grindhold hi |
| 05:20.23 | FreezingCold | sighs |
| 05:20.25 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi grinsekatze hi grn hi Grotesque hi Growly hi guampa hi guerremdq hi Guest4110 hi Guest49365 hi Guest50605 hi Guest70361 hi |
| 05:20.26 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi Guest7381 hi Guest74848 hi Guest84154 hi Gunni hi guntha_ hi guntha__ hi Gurty hi GusBricker hi gusnan hi h34d3r hi |
| 05:20.29 | bocaneri | I don't have that luxury. |
| 05:20.31 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi haasn hi habhooB hi hairyraven hi hakr hi hark_ hi harkx hi haroldwu hi harrison hi hax404 hi hbbk hi |
| 05:20.33 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi heinrich5991 hi hello_friends_ hi HelloShitty hi hesco hi hetOrakel hi Hexeon hi HeXiLeD hi HicksD hi hid3 hi HisaoNakai hi |
| 05:20.34 | brong_ | aarcane: that doesn't scale |
| 05:20.36 | aarcane | ShapeShifter499, I don't have the same problem, so I don't know. I'm sorry. Tried #hexchat or #xchat? |
| 05:20.37 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi hizibiz hi hke hi horsik hi huayra hi hubutm20 hi Hukka hi Hydroxide hi HymyPoika hi i336_ hi ice799 hi |
| 05:20.37 | centrx | Well at least he has gotten halfway through the alphabet |
| 05:20.38 | edwardly | Hi RichieGoldstein_ |
| 05:20.39 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi iceroot hi idimmu hi ignasio hi igno hi ikanobori hi ikonia hi impulse150 hi imunsie hi infernix hi infinity0 hi |
| 05:20.39 | ered | !ops |
| 05:20.39 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 05:20.41 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi initself hi integral hi internat hi Internet13 hi intricate hi Iridos hi Irouy hi Ishaq hi iter hi ItTakesTwo hi |
| 05:20.44 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi ivan`` hi ivanshmakov hi iViLe hi ix hi j0z hi j4q8_ hi jab416171 hi jahman hi jalalsfs__ hi jamesfryman hi |
| 05:20.47 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi Janhouse hi jannic hi jareth_ hi jarkko hi Jarus hi Jarvis hi jasonwert hi jayne hi jazka hi jbonjean hi |
| 05:20.49 | daniel-s | /ignore RichieGoldstein_ |
| 05:20.50 | edwardly | !ops RichieGoldstein_ is a jerk |
| 05:20.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: edwardly complains about: RichieGoldstein_ is a jerk |
| 05:20.51 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi jbraeg hi jbroome hi JC_SoCal hi Jdbye hi Jdbye|Laptop hi jdoles hi jeekl hi jehan hi jelly hi jelly-home hi |
| 05:20.53 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi JelmerD hi JengYiC hi jesk hi jgbrown hi jgmdev hi jgraichen hi Jguy hi jholden_ hi jhulst hi jhutchins hi |
| 05:20.56 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi jiffe hi Jikan hi jimcooncat hi jiohdi hi jirka_on_d hi jmcnaught hi JmZ_ hi jn7n hi joako hi Jobbe hi |
| 05:20.58 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi JoFo hi JohnDoh hi johskar hi joj hi joltcan hi jonas_g hi JonesFK hi Jonuz hi jordanm hi joschi hi |
| 05:21.02 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi jpinx hi JPT hi jpw hi jrgill hi JStoker hi jthomas hi jtrucks hi judd hi julian_ hi Jurkki hi |
| 05:21.03 | edwardly | :> |
| 05:21.04 | centrx | where does freenode keep its IRCOPs |
| 05:21.04 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi juser hi JWF hi jwoglom hi jwww hi jxport hi JyZyXEL hi jzbl hi jzk1 hi k-t hi k1nh hi |
| 05:21.06 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi K1rk hi k4tfish hi k_sze[work] hi KaaK hi Kaboon hi kaimei_ hi kain88 hi kakolak hi kaldox hi kalz hi |
| 05:21.08 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi Kamilion hi kamori hi kamoriGoat hi kanja hi karakedi hi kbtr hi kdox hi keatont hi keith4 hi kermit hi |
| 05:21.10 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi Kernel|Panic hi kevinsky hi Kharec hi kingsley hi kInOzAwA hi Kiril hi kirkland hi KiSM hi kitai hi klaxa hi |
| 05:21.11 | edwardly | In a can |
| 05:21.13 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi kloeri hi kludge` hi klys hi Koma hi komori hi Konata hi koollman hi Krabbe hi Krenz hi Krigsforbryter hi |
| 05:21.14 | FreezingCold | Whatever, ignored |
| 05:21.16 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi kriskropd hi Kromitvs hi kro[au] hi kRush hi ksk hi ksx4system hi KT hi Kulrak hi kunwon1 hi kyle__ hi |
| 05:21.18 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi KyokoDebian hi Lady_Aleena hi lakcaj hi Lakii hi langkid1 hi lapache hi Lappro hi larks hi lattera hi lawr hi |
| 05:21.18 | ShapeShifter499 | aarcane,no one in #hexchat seems to understand what it is and they also say they don't have the problem |
| 05:21.21 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi lazers hi Lbit hi Leconite hi leifw hi Leoneof hi lexvegas_ hi likevinyl hi linduxed hi linedash hi linux4life798 hi |
| 05:21.24 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi linuxator hi LinuxGuy91 hi linuxthefish hi linuxuz3r hi LippyLee hi Lirion hi LjL hi llakey hi llimeht hi lns hi |
| 05:21.24 | joj | centrx: I called on them already |
| 05:21.25 | FreezingCold | chat looks normal now :) |
| 05:21.27 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi LoneStar99 hi LordDeath hi LordShiva hi LoRdToLsToI hi loremips1um hi lorenzosu hi LoRez hi loxley hi LRN hi lroe hi |
| 05:21.31 | eshy | hi |
| 05:21.32 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi LtL hi lubyou hi luckman212 hi luese hi luminous hi m00n hi m0nkey_ hi m0spf hi M0ulin hi M4dH4TT3r hi |
| 05:21.32 | eshy | :-) |
| 05:21.34 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi macrobat hi mactimes_ hi magenbrot hi magnet hi maik hi malik hi mallet hi mallxs hi Malmis hi mambaw hi |
| 05:21.35 | daniel-s | hi eshy |
| 05:21.37 | edwardly | freeroute, but he's so friendly! |
| 05:21.37 | FreezingCold | eshy: don't reply to it |
| 05:21.37 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi mand0 hi Mangellan2497 hi Mapley hi marienz hi markovh hi markvandenborre hi marlinc hi marshall_ hi mathisen_ hi mattcen hi |
| 05:21.40 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi matthewvz hi matuka` hi mauryaarun hi mav hi mavhc hi maxexclo- hi maxorator hi Maxou56800 hi maxyz hi McLive hi |
| 05:21.40 | edwardly | FreezingCold, rather |
| 05:21.41 | eshy | oh no |
| 05:21.43 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi mcr1 hi mdorenka hi me-koyote hi meiand hi meise hi meLon hi meshuggah hi Messenger_bird hi mete hi meti hi |
| 05:21.43 | eshy | hi daniel-s |
| 05:21.44 | FreezingCold | edwardly: tab fail |
| 05:21.44 | gnugr | !ops RichieGoldstein_ spam |
| 05:21.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnugr complains about: RichieGoldstein_ spam |
| 05:21.46 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi mg101010 hi mgodzilla hi michaelni hi mick0 hi micols hi midacts hi midnightmagic hi Mikaela hi Mikaela_ hi mikeey hi |
| 05:21.48 | eshy | sorry for replying to him FreezingCold :< |
| 05:21.49 | bocaneri | Ah, hexchat. Very unstable, developer is arrogant. |
| 05:21.49 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi milligan hi milobit hi milosn hi mimor_ hi mindstorm hi miniyo hi MissionCritical hi mist hi mjessome hi mlen hi |
| 05:21.52 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi Mmike hi mns hi mo1991 hi moetunes hi Mogget hi moncky hi Monotoko hi mordocai hi Moredrea1 hi MoreRandomThanU hi |
| 05:21.55 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi Morrolan hi mosh hi mossman_ hi MoTec hi moza hi mpkossen hi Mr_Caboose hi MrFrood hi MrGeneral hi mrtnt hi |
| 05:21.58 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi msx hi mtfk hi mtrd`w hi muh2000 hi mumixam hi murmelbahn hi musha68k hi muvbit hi mwschib hi mybit hi |
| 05:22.02 | KT | clear |
| 05:22.02 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi mypapit hi Myrtti hi mystim hi mz` hi n13z hi n2diy hi na1rb hi nae hi nafac hi nag_ hi |
| 05:22.03 | bullgard4 | !ops <RitchieGoldstein_> spamming. |
| 05:22.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: bullgard4 complains about: <RitchieGoldstein_> spamming. |
| 05:22.04 | FreezingCold | dpkg: are you another spammer? |
| 05:22.04 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi nagarkot hi Namikaze hi nanoha-sama hi Nanuq hi NaPs hi nassaba hi NaStYdoG hi Natenom hi nathanhi hi ndec hi |
| 05:22.05 | jrgill | throws some pennies at RichieGoldstein_. |
| 05:22.07 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi neal__ hi neantpastel hi necrohermit hi NeilHanlon hi NeilHanlon_ hi NeoBlaster hi neosimago hi neozonz hi netkat hi nevyn hi |
| 05:22.08 | FreezingCold | I'll take that as a yes |
| 05:22.10 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi Niamkik hi nice92 hi nick_h_ hi nickmoeck hi nickoe hi niel hi nielsle hi niftylettuce hi nigelk hi Nik05 hi |
| 05:22.13 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi niko hi nikola hi NiLon hi nirix hi nitz hi nkuttler hi noahfx hi nodiscc hi noexcept hi nomad_dw hi |
| 05:22.15 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi nonconvergent hi nopf_ hi nosklo hi Nothing4You hi Nothing4You_ hi noxs hi npope hi nprice hi nse hi NuXeLiTe hi |
| 05:22.18 | FreezingCold | wait |
| 05:22.18 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi nwe hi nyov hi oahong hi oberling hi oddie hi og01 hi olegfusion hi olek_ hi olf-folks hi Olipro hi |
| 05:22.20 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi ollo hi on1x hi Onia1 hi Onixs hi Onoz hi Ool hi optics hi Orbitrix hi Orphis hi orzo hi |
| 05:22.22 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi osamu hi oskie hi Otap hi Otyg hi owa hi oxez hi oxodesign hi ozux hi P0bailey_ hi p0g0 hi |
| 05:22.23 | daniel-s | Are these spambots usually annoying people just doing it for kicks, misconfigured bots, or something else entirely? |
| 05:22.23 | FreezingCold | [00:22:19] -NickServ- Registered : Feb 25 01:32:36 2003 (10 years, 46 weeks, 3 days, 03:49:45 ago) |
| 05:22.24 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi P1xel|NotAlive hi p8m hi p_quarles hi Pancakez hi pathy hi patsToms hi patterson hi PaulePanter hi pbn hi PcJamesy hi |
| 05:22.26 | viscera | i'm not sure i understand the motivation of such a flood attack |
| 05:22.26 | FreezingCold | the hell dpkg ? |
| 05:22.27 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi peanuter hi Pei hi penk hi Percy- hi perdido hi petemc hi petern_ hi peterrooney hi peterS hi PeterSilie hi |
| 05:22.28 | edwardly | I wonder if they loop |
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| 05:22.32 | RichieGoldstein_ | hi petn-randall hi pexio hi pfote hi ph8 hi phantomcircuit hi phantomik hi phenom hi Phil-Work hi philipballew hi phix hi |
| 05:22.33 | joj | And I have nickname colouring in the chatwindow ... rainbow üure |
| 05:22.33 | *** mode/#debian [+q-o *!*@162.216.47.192 yano] by yano |
| 05:22.41 | FreezingCold | dpkg: Why would you flood us intentionally? |
| 05:22.42 | bocaneri | yano, thank you! |
| 05:22.43 | dpkg | FreezingCold: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 05:22.43 | edwardly | yano you ruined the fun |
| 05:22.48 | viscera | RichieGoldstein_, suck it |
| 05:22.48 | noahfx | xD |
| 05:22.49 | FreezingCold | dpkg: oh you're a bot |
| 05:22.49 | dpkg | FreezingCold: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:22.50 | FreezingCold | fail |
| 05:22.57 | FreezingCold | dpkg: I'm sorry, had a retard moment there |
| 05:22.57 | dpkg | FreezingCold: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:22.59 | brong_ | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 strikes again |
| 05:23.04 | FreezingCold | thank you yan |
| 05:23.06 | FreezingCold | *yano |
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| 05:23.12 | yano | yw |
| 05:23.20 | mybit | im all like who said something to me in #debain ={ just a bot |
| 05:23.23 | FreezingCold | yano: so.... wanna get a drink after? |
| 05:23.56 | bullgard4 | yano: Thak you. |
| 05:24.25 | Lirion | that RichieGoldstein_ is still here? |
| 05:24.30 | yano | yw |
| 05:24.34 | Lirion | nice lifespan |
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| 05:24.45 | FreezingCold | yano: I sent an email to the ISP |
| 05:26.14 | mystim | lol mad |
| 05:26.15 | aarcane | ShapeShifter499, look around in settings > text events I'm not sure what the properr setting to change is, but I'm fairly certain it's in there. |
| 05:26.20 | Hexeon | did someone say something to me? |
| 05:26.31 | FreezingCold | Hexeon: no, nobody loves you |
| 05:26.34 | FreezingCold | just your mother |
| 05:26.35 | Hexeon | okay |
| 05:26.41 | FreezingCold | wait, never mind, she texted me and told me she doesn't |
| 05:26.45 | Lirion | you're like me, nobody cares about you but a bot |
| 05:26.49 | Lirion | get used to it |
| 05:26.50 | FreezingCold | :> |
| 05:27.19 | aarcane | ShapeShifter499, google tells me this link should be useful: https://toxin.jottit.com/xchat_text_events |
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| 05:28.04 | c0ded | heh peanuter is in here, wonder if its the same one |
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| 05:29.31 | FreezingCold | sighs |
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| 05:32.35 | Chriswaterguy | Hi - what's the easiest way to install testing on my laptop, with minimum hiccups? Start with Stable and move to testing, or straight to netinst? |
| 05:33.27 | Chriswaterguy | I gather the live install images are only available for Stable. |
| 05:33.38 | Coweater | testing netinst, has newer kernel with probably better hardware support |
| 05:33.52 | aarcane | Chriswaterguy, netinst. However, if you just want a new package or two, try backports first. |
| 05:34.06 | Chriswaterguy | cool, thanks. |
| 05:35.05 | Chriswaterguy | I used Crunchbang a few years back when it was based on Testing, and I was very happy with it. Still much more stable than non-Debian distros, I think? |
| 05:35.44 | Chriswaterguy | And I hear that "Stable" is stable in the sense that packages are more stable over time, not that it's *always* the most stable, least likely to have security issues. |
| 05:36.37 | Chriswaterguy | Can I install netinst via USB? |
| 05:36.53 | viscera | testing is the most likely to have security issues compared to stable/unstable |
| 05:37.28 | Chriswaterguy | viscera, in that the security issues aren't plugged as quickly as unstable? |
| 05:37.42 | viscera | Chriswaterguy, yes |
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| 05:38.18 | viscera | Chriswaterguy, only stable has a proper security response, but even then there are packages in stable that are not managed by the security team, so you still have to be careful |
| 05:38.30 | c0ded | [Chriswaterguy]: good way to get them security updates asap for any is get on the debian security mailing list |
| 05:38.40 | c0ded | shit is handy, lets u know as soon as a update hits |
| 05:39.08 | viscera | meanwhile, you've been unpached for a month |
| 05:39.13 | c0ded | could even automate it , get it sent to the server, w/e any email from the debian security mailinglist hits, auto update, could do it with a few diff langs |
| 05:39.14 | viscera | unpatched** |
| 05:40.04 | Chriswaterguy | Hmm. I'd probably be reasonably happy enough with any of them, but would rather be more up-to-date than Stable, and not so much of the connection to "Sid" in Toy Story. |
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| 05:40.52 | Chriswaterguy | But... what you're talking about, viscera, sounds like too much fiddling for me. Which is probably an argument for Stable. |
| 05:41.00 | SirLagz | viscera: i thought testing had the same treatment as stable when it comes to security |
| 05:41.14 | hizibiz | RichiH: < RichieGoldstein_> hi hizibiz hi hke hi horsik hi huayra hi hub |
| 05:41.18 | hizibiz | was that you |
| 05:41.38 | Chriswaterguy | Sorry, not viscera - I meant what c0ded was talking about, with security patches |
| 05:42.12 | viscera | SirLagz, i wish |
| 05:42.30 | viscera | SirLagz, https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/testing |
| 05:42.52 | Chriswaterguy | I've been stuck on Windows for almost 2 years, so any of them will be better security. |
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| 05:43.02 | viscera | SirLagz, take a look at all the vulnerabilities for iceweasel in jessie |
| 05:43.18 | c0ded | oh well its just a good thing to have, i mean still get on the mailing list and dont automate shit, but ull still know the instant a security patch hits |
| 05:43.21 | viscera | ...unless i'm misunderstanding something... |
| 05:43.23 | SirLagz | checks |
| 05:43.41 | c0ded | cant hurt to know, and update ur system by hand, just a idea |
| 05:43.49 | c0ded | i find that mailing list very handy |
| 05:43.51 | viscera | Chriswaterguy, that's not necessarily true, but good luck |
| 05:44.37 | c0ded | if dont wrong(setting up the system), it could be drastically less secure the other way |
| 05:44.52 | c0ded | as in gotta make sure u secure ur distros up regaurdless |
| 05:45.04 | c0ded | *if done wrong... |
| 05:45.11 | aarcane | I know ubuntu has a daemon built in to automatically install your choice of all updates or just security updates. |
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| 05:45.22 | c0ded | @ agreeing with viscera |
| 05:45.29 | Chriswaterguy | I like automated security updates, rather than watching a list - will make sure I set that up. |
| 05:45.41 | viscera | it doesn't help if the fix isn't packaged yet |
| 05:45.43 | viscera | which is my point |
| 05:46.15 | viscera | if you want a secure system, don't use testing. |
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| 05:46.43 | SirLagz | viscera: from the Debian FAQ, they say that security for testing uses everything from unstable |
| 05:46.57 | viscera | explain all those unpatched holes, then? |
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| 05:47.33 | viscera | there's still a delay in migration |
| 05:47.40 | SirLagz | viscera: do you mean all those that say fixed in unstable ? |
| 05:47.54 | SirLagz | viscera: 2 day migration according to the FAQ, unless other things hold it up |
| 05:48.08 | viscera | pretty sure the list looked that hideous a couple of days ago, too |
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| 05:48.21 | c0ded | he means there's a delay from when their fixes are patched i believe |
| 05:48.32 | SirLagz | viscera: lol, i wouldnt know. i havent looked at that list before |
| 05:48.44 | viscera | i checked it late last week |
| 05:48.48 | c0ded | which ive seen before testing beteween stable/unstable/testing/contab/etc.. |
| 05:48.52 | viscera | i was considering running debian |
| 05:48.58 | viscera | and it really turned me off |
| 05:49.07 | c0ded | what u running instead? |
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| 05:49.16 | viscera | fedora |
| 05:49.23 | viscera | which isn't perfect, either |
| 05:49.44 | c0ded | i havent used fed in many yrs |
| 05:50.10 | c0ded | been pretty solid with deb for server/deb based for desktop |
| 05:50.16 | c0ded | like crunchbang |
| 05:50.27 | viscera | i used to adore debian but lately i've strayed |
| 05:50.32 | viscera | maybe i'll be back someday |
| 05:50.38 | SirLagz | i'ved used Sid without too many issues for my proxy/www server |
| 05:50.38 | Chriswaterguy | 2 day delay in migration to testing doesn't seem like a big problem...? |
| 05:50.47 | viscera | in that case, install testing :) |
| 05:50.55 | c0ded | idk some ppl hate on it, but i like wheezy |
| 05:50.59 | c0ded | especially 7.3 |
| 05:51.07 | viscera | that's a *minimum* 2 day delay, i believe. it can be a lot more depending on the specifics |
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| 05:51.30 | Chriswaterguy | ok... I think I saw 2 weeks somewhere |
| 05:51.31 | c0ded | the smoothness and more consistancy of updates and fixes of 7.3 compared to 7.0/7.1 was a big jump |
| 05:51.52 | SirLagz | viscera: yes that is true, it is a minimum. |
| 05:52.02 | SirLagz | i should run an unstable box and a testing box and see how long the delay is for updates |
| 05:52.06 | SirLagz | then we'll have an answer :D |
| 05:52.07 | Chriswaterguy | c0ded, I loved CrunchBang, but decided I don't need a minimalist DE any more. Going to try KDE. |
| 05:52.24 | SirLagz | eww KDE |
| 05:52.29 | SirLagz | actually I haven't used KDE in a long time |
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| 05:52.39 | viscera | it's half decent with 4.11 |
| 05:52.43 | viscera | and now 4.12 is out |
| 05:52.44 | Chriswaterguy | But might still install Openbox and the Crunchbang config files, so I've got the option |
| 05:52.45 | SirLagz | Last time i used it was KDE4.2 ? maybe ? lol |
| 05:52.57 | viscera | but there are still bugs |
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| 05:53.06 | aarcane | SirLagz, it's pretty. it's usable. it's convenient. it's a bit heavy compared to enlightenment or lxqt |
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| 05:53.07 | SirLagz | and i was running KDE in a somewhat dated laptop |
| 05:53.09 | c0ded | yea but with the extra gtk configs and the openbox style config setup, ive seen some pretty not-minimalistic desktops with crunchbang also Chriswaterguy |
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| 05:53.31 | SirLagz | I'm using XFCE on most of my boxes |
| 05:54.00 | c0ded | yea i mean i might try diff DEs/WMs with crunchbang |
| 05:54.09 | Chriswaterguy | I found Xubuntu buggy, but that was 2007.... and it's Ubuntu :-). |
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| 05:54.11 | aarcane | doesn't even use Linux on his desktops right now :( |
| 05:54.12 | c0ded | but out the box its got a nice config setup i think for desktop use |
| 05:54.19 | c0ded | id like to see what it can look like |
| 05:54.27 | aarcane | Windows 7 because I need it for gaming.. but Linux on all the servers FTW :D |
| 05:54.27 | c0ded | i still need to dual boot this pc and put it on it |
| 05:54.30 | c0ded | just built it |
| 05:54.32 | pbase | those who are using bare minimum guis, how do you work on office apps? |
| 05:54.35 | SirLagz | aarcane: I game on Linux :D |
| 05:54.39 | viscera | aarcane, it's a bit like that. everything is buggy. i tend to alternate between windows and linux every few months. not very productive. |
| 05:54.40 | c0ded | i need windows for music production |
| 05:54.44 | c0ded | or it be all linux |
| 05:54.48 | SirLagz | pbase: how bare minimum is bare minimum ? |
| 05:54.59 | pbase | crunchbang bareminimum |
| 05:55.09 | aarcane | pbase, I used to use evilwm and ratpoison for a while. |
| 05:55.10 | SirLagz | pbase: I've used Enlightenment with LibreOffice without too many issues |
| 05:55.17 | viscera | i run microsoft office in a vm |
| 05:55.19 | aarcane | pbase, libre office works fine with either. |
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| 05:56.49 | Chriswaterguy | I wouldn't expect office apps to have any probs in lightweight WMs/DEs, pbase. I know I never had a problem in Crunchbang, around ~2008-2010 |
| 05:57.11 | TheNumbers | LibreOffice and Abiword all work fine in #! |
| 05:57.52 | Chriswaterguy | How serious are the security issues that people warn about in unstable & testing? How often are there actual security breaches? |
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| 05:58.05 | asl35 | hi |
| 05:58.22 | SirLagz | Chriswaterguy: most of them you probably don't need to worry about. |
| 05:58.23 | asl35 | when you install debian, do you get a gui like ubuntu or is it all cui? |
| 05:58.30 | SirLagz | asl35: you can do either |
| 05:58.40 | SirLagz | asl35: you choose when you install Debian |
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| 06:00.02 | aarcane | asl35, cli, if you'd please. cui is 3/4 of a bad, bad word. |
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| 06:04.57 | MrGeneral | Folks I need some help. I have a corrupt .sql.gz, I can't gunzip -d file.sql.gz but I can see its data with gunzip -c option, is there any way I can get this to a file? |
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| 06:09.38 | pbase | MrGeneral: how big is the file? |
| 06:10.04 | MrGeneral | like 18mb pbase |
| 06:10.13 | MrGeneral | or if there's any way to recover a file |
| 06:10.17 | MrGeneral | I can get the one I need |
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| 06:12.11 | pbase | MrGeneral: tried this - http://www.gzip.org/recover.txt ? |
| 06:13.58 | MrGeneral | didnt work pbase |
| 06:14.03 | MrGeneral | gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 06:15.58 | pbase | MrGeneral: here - http://www.urbanophile.com/arenn/coding/gzrt/gzrt.html |
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| 06:18.43 | MrGeneral | ty pbase ! |
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| 06:33.20 | Chriswaterguy | The netinst iso's aren't suitable for installing via USB I take it? I need a CD? |
| 06:34.15 | pbase | Chriswaterguy: they re the best |
| 06:34.36 | Chriswaterguy | pbase: I don't understand |
| 06:34.45 | Chriswaterguy | you mean the do work on USB? |
| 06:34.54 | pbase | yes |
| 06:35.01 | pbase | net installer works on the usb |
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| 06:35.20 | pbase | but you need a network for it |
| 06:36.01 | pbase | if the b/w is expensive, you can choose to download the cd (only the first cd is sufficient to install a base system) |
| 06:36.01 | SirLagz | Chriswaterguy: you can dd any new debian iso to a usb and install off that |
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| 06:36.42 | pbase | or you can follow SirLagz's advice |
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| 06:37.21 | pbase | i prefer using jigdo as it is easy to keep updating the iso images |
| 06:37.29 | Chriswaterguy | cool... have never done it via USB and don't know the options.. I guess I google dd debian usb and see how I go? |
| 06:37.47 | pbase | Chriswaterguy: you can try a tool like unetbootin |
| 06:38.23 | Chriswaterguy | I'm not planning frequent downloads of iso files - and I'm on Windows right now (which I'm guessing isn't good for jigdo) |
| 06:38.44 | pbase | havent used windows for over 4-5 years now |
| 06:39.09 | SirLagz | Chriswaterguy: unetbootin can be used on Windows to do the same thing as dd-ing the iso onto a usb stick |
| 06:39.32 | Chriswaterguy | SirLagz: ahhh, thank you |
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| 06:40.57 | pbase | is anyone using encrypted partitions? |
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| 06:41.41 | pbase | i am unable to understand why extended partitions are not allowed to create encrypted partitions |
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| 06:44.41 | joj | pbase: I'm using LUKS encrypted partitions. Do you mean you can't create a cryptodisk from a logical partition within an extended partition? |
| 06:44.51 | pbase | yes |
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| 06:46.11 | pbase | joj: yes |
| 06:46.31 | joj | pbase: I never ran into that because I didn't try it ... somehow that doesn't make sense to me at all, because wouldn't it still be a block device? How does it fail, and with what message? |
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| 06:47.27 | themill | Chriswaterguy, pbase, SirLagz: unetbootin isn't a good choice -- it frequently screws up the debian install images. |
| 06:47.29 | pbase | I cant recall the exact message, but it had something to do with ms dos partitions as i recall. I am not on that machine currently. |
| 06:47.40 | pbase | joj: |
| 06:48.32 | pbase | themill: never had an issue with it or dd till date |
| 06:48.40 | joj | pbase: and somehow at https://trisquel.info/en/forum/full-disk-encryption-multiple-partitions , people did you want to do (see reply #1 in the linked thread) |
| 06:49.13 | MrGeneral | pbase, if this works, ill paypal u |
| 06:49.14 | MrGeneral | :P |
| 06:49.41 | SirLagz | themill: worked for me |
| 06:50.03 | Chriswaterguy | themill: ah... what do you recommend instead of unetbootin? |
| 06:50.15 | pbase | joj: thanks.. looks like i can follow it from there |
| 06:50.40 | joj | pbase: you're welcome |
| 06:50.41 | Chriswaterguy | themill: is that personal experience? seen it happen a lot? |
| 06:50.46 | pbase | MrGeneral: Thank you for the generous gesture :P. But no thank you |
| 06:51.07 | MrGeneral | I appreciate, let's see |
| 06:51.13 | MrGeneral | I'm getting lots of errors with cpio pbase |
| 06:51.16 | Chriswaterguy | I supposed I'm not risking a lot, so I could try unetbootin to start |
| 06:51.17 | MrGeneral | Malformed number |
| 06:51.18 | MrGeneral | everywhere |
| 06:51.26 | MrGeneral | and it creates somefiles, containing db info |
| 06:51.29 | themill | Chriswaterguy: we see it happen several times per day here |
| 06:51.35 | pbase | wait till it finishes |
| 06:51.40 | MrGeneral | ok pbase :) |
| 06:51.41 | themill | !win32diskimager |
| 06:51.43 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks. (But if you have linux already, then you don't need either; ask me about <usb install>). |
| 06:51.48 | MrGeneral | if this is supposed to work like this.. |
| 06:51.54 | SirLagz | themill: out of curiosity, how does it screw up install images ? |
| 06:52.14 | SirLagz | Chriswaterguy: you could use win32diskimage to in place of dd to copy an iso to a usb stick as well |
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| 06:53.15 | themill | SirLagz: it hasn't yet caught up with the fact that debian is distributing iso-hybrid images. It therefore tries to munge with the image to allow it to work on a usb stick. |
| 06:54.05 | SirLagz | themill: hmm it worked fine for me when i used unetbootin on one of the newer debian images |
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| 06:54.35 | themill | SirLagz: sure, it works for some people. |
| 06:54.56 | SirLagz | themill: im just wondering how it could only screw it up for some people if we're all using the same images |
| 06:55.33 | themill | I don't know and nor do the people who make the debian CD images. But none of us are that interested in finding out anyway, since alternatives that work exist |
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| 06:55.59 | SirLagz | themill: indeed. I wasn't aware that i could just dd the image onto a usb stick when i used unetbootin lol |
| 06:56.20 | pbase | it works |
| 06:56.40 | pbase | the file system is very simple |
| 06:56.43 | Chriswaterguy | aha - thanks themill! |
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| 06:57.39 | Chriswaterguy | Yeah, plenty of things work for most people, break for some. Having uniform hardware would help avoid that, but we don't have that. |
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| 07:02.57 | pbase | Chriswaterguy: we need something like this - https://phonebloks.com/en/goals |
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| 07:10.51 | joj | ydf |
| 07:11.09 | joj | ^ excude me, wrong window |
| 07:11.17 | joj | *excuse. This is horrible. |
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| 07:14.46 | tparcina | I'm trying to forward root's e-mails to external address. I have etid /etc/aliases like this "root: my@mail.com" and I have run "newaliases". But I still don't receive root e-mails. |
| 07:15.00 | tparcina | What can I do to forward root e-mails? |
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| 07:16.42 | pbase | simply add a cc? |
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| 07:18.32 | themill | tparcina: do you have a configured mail transport agent on that machine? does it know how to send emails to that address? |
| 07:19.15 | tparcina | themill: Yes, when I send e-mail form CLI, I receive it. |
| 07:20.30 | tparcina | themill: When I use "mail -s "Hello" my@address.com" I receive that mail. |
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| 07:22.45 | Chriswaterguy | pbase: agreed, phonebloks seems cool. Any idea how close it is to being sold? |
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| 07:24.07 | MrGeneral | MySQL doesnt start, issue http://pastebin.com/Mnawe8QU can anyone help? perhaps pbase :P |
| 07:25.11 | diz---232 | Is there any open source project in the works for a debian mobile phone os to run on arm processors? |
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| 07:26.49 | diz---232 | Doesn't hurt to dream =\ |
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| 07:29.48 | apm1 | diz---232,only that its not a shared dream and this is OT for this chan |
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| 07:30.21 | diz---232 | OT? |
| 07:30.33 | diz---232 | how? |
| 07:30.38 | diz---232 | the channel is #debian |
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| 07:31.32 | apm1 | diz---232, this is strictly a support chan |
| 07:31.39 | diz---232 | oh |
| 07:31.52 | pbase | MrGeneral: pls execute this as the root "service mysql status" |
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| 07:41.54 | MrGeneral | pbase, im trying to fix in #mysql hasn't been easy, |
| 07:42.02 | MrGeneral | mysqld_safe is running, still cant connect to it |
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| 07:42.26 | pbase | post the output of the above command |
| 07:42.50 | pbase | service mysql status |
| 07:43.25 | MrGeneral | MySQL is stopped.. |
| 07:43.27 | MrGeneral | but its not pbase |
| 07:43.32 | MrGeneral | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.32 | MrGeneral | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.36 | MrGeneral | different users, hm |
| 07:44.20 | pbase | your installation seems to be misconfigured |
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| 07:44.39 | MrGeneral | indeed, pbase |
| 07:44.56 | pbase | the best hasslefree way to fix that would be to "purge" the installation |
| 07:44.57 | pbase | and reinstall |
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| 07:45.07 | pbase | shouldnot take more than 3 minutes |
| 07:45.14 | MrGeneral | pbase, whats the command to? |
| 07:45.18 | MrGeneral | wont it break my .sqls etc? |
| 07:45.20 | pbase | apt--get purge mysql |
| 07:45.31 | pbase | backup them |
| 07:45.38 | pbase | to sql files |
| 07:45.45 | MrGeneral | how, if it's working really bad and I cant use mysql? |
| 07:45.53 | MrGeneral | I cant connect to mysql even |
| 07:46.20 | pbase | pls wait |
| 07:46.48 | MrGeneral | InnoDB: Failing assertion: purge_sys->purge_trx_no <= purge_sys->rseg->last_trx_no |
| 07:46.49 | MrGeneral | InnoDB: We intentionally generate a memory trap. |
| 07:46.50 | MrGeneral | sure |
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| 07:48.38 | pfote | MrGeneral: have you checked my.cnf if it binds to any ip address? |
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| 07:49.51 | MrGeneral | pfote, its a 3 day backup |
| 07:49.58 | MrGeneral | maybe the folder permissions are wrong..? |
| 07:51.01 | pfote | what exactly have you done |
| 07:51.13 | MrGeneral | fixed |
| 07:51.14 | MrGeneral | innodb_force_recovery = 4 |
| 07:51.16 | MrGeneral | this fixed |
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| 07:53.21 | MrGeneral | y pbase |
| 07:53.24 | MrGeneral | ty pbase :) |
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| 08:13.33 | new[] | Is anyone on AT&T Uverse experiencing serious network problems right now ? |
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| 08:21.31 | pbase | WHAT ARE GLX SPHERE |
| 08:21.37 | pbase | oops |
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| 08:24.24 | pbase | SirLagz: apologize for that |
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| 09:15.06 | biglama | hi guys |
| 09:15.14 | Diehard | hi |
| 09:15.25 | biglama | what would you recommand as the best backup strategy on debian for a home usage ? |
| 09:15.47 | biglama | i have 3 disks and was thinking to use RAID / RAIDZ with 2 disks, the third being a storage backups |
| 09:15.52 | Diehard | rosync? |
| 09:15.59 | Diehard | *rsync |
| 09:16.05 | Diehard | and of course raid |
| 09:16.26 | CissWit | raid is *not* for backup |
| 09:16.57 | biglama | yeah, that's why i'm wondering if it really useful for a desktop usage |
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| 09:17.34 | CissWit | well, it all depends on your usage. It can still help not loosing your data |
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| 09:18.05 | CissWit | if one disk crash and your backups sucks because you always forget to backup like i do ^^ |
| 09:18.11 | biglama | from what i understand, it's mostly for keeping a system running |
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| 09:18.32 | ChrisH | RAIDZ does need minimum 3 Disks |
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| 09:19.22 | CissWit | biglama: it helps if your disk crash. If you make a mistake and delete and important file or if you get a malware or virus or anything and you delete important datas, raid won't help |
| 09:19.33 | ChrisH | biglama: you can setup 2 Disks as raid 1 and the third disk to keep backups.. eg. amanda or any other sw package that does automated backups |
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| 09:20.34 | biglama | ChrisH: yeah, that was my first idea. The other solution would be to use one disk, the second and first being for backup and backup of the backup :) |
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| 09:25.08 | biglama | and second question : on Linux, which is better RAID or RAIDZ ? |
| 09:25.16 | biglama | ZFS seems only to work on 64-bits |
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| 09:25.35 | biglama | s/to work/to be stable/ |
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| 09:33.15 | Cork | is http://wiki.nginx.org/Install#Official_Debian.2FUbuntu_packages the best way to get an up to date version of nginx into wheezy or is there another commended way? |
| 09:33.29 | Cork | *recommended |
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| 09:35.32 | LoRdToLsToI | playz Juanes - Es Por Ti |
| 09:36.22 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell Cork about nginx |
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| 09:37.10 | Cork | ? |
| 09:37.30 | ChrisH | biglama: I know ZFS on Solaris very well, but I do not use it on Linux so far. There I use mdadm for raid 1/0/10 and LVM above. |
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| 09:38.16 | ExeciN | I wanted e17 as my wm so I removed network manager and I installed connman. However, when I try to load connman, all I am getting is something like: [1] 16324 where do I find connman's settings? |
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| 09:39.49 | Cork | i guess that's a no then |
| 09:40.58 | biglama | ChrisH: so you need to use LVM for adding/removing devices on a RAID then ? |
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| 09:42.32 | ChrisH | biglama: the idea was Disk1/Disk2 > md > LVM... You can add another md-device (Raid1 pair) to LVM as another PV. I am not sure if I got your question. |
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| 09:44.05 | biglama | biglama: what's the point of LVM on RAID exactly ? Is it for growing/shrinking the disk array ? |
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| 09:48.47 | tgs3 | biglama: yes, for changing size |
| 09:50.10 | biglama | okay, thank you very much for the info |
| 09:50.25 | biglama | (can't believ i highlighted myself :/ ) |
| 09:50.43 | ChrisH | biglama: not the disk array, but the filesystems! Growing is easy with ext |
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| 09:53.10 | biglama | ChrisH: ok. Can you grow a partition if it's mounted on RAID ? |
| 09:55.22 | ChrisH | biglama: theoretical yes. I never did it as this would mean fiddle with the partition table. LVM is less pain. |
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| 09:59.23 | footempnym | heyall, i stumbled over the term "vanilla", like vanilla kernel or vanilla package, in debian forums and wikis - what does this mean? |
| 09:59.29 | ChrisH | biglama: best praticse with LVM is, allways keep unused disk space in LVM. This will help. |
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| 10:00.08 | nomad_dw | biglama: Yes you can, with `mdadm --grow`, but it's worth reading the man page for the other options you may need. |
| 10:00.08 | ChrisH | footempnym: vanilla kernel means: unmodified/patched/changed kernel from kernel.org |
| 10:00.16 | biglama | ChrisH: why ? |
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| 10:00.59 | nomad_dw | biglama: ChrisH is right though -- LVM saves soooo much hassle when managing capacity. |
| 10:01.14 | epsilon | +1 |
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| 10:01.20 | footempnym | ChrisH: like a directors cut movie? |
| 10:01.57 | biglama | okay, taking note |
| 10:02.16 | ChrisH | biglama: because you will allways face the situation that filesystem usage is different from what you expected while setting up the system. Keeping disk space as spare allows you to react fast and smooth. |
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| 10:03.16 | biglama | ChrisH: okay, so what's a good rule of thumb ? Keeping 10% of disk capacity as spare ? |
| 10:03.33 | nomad_dw | biglama: simpler than that (usually) |
| 10:04.02 | nomad_dw | Work out how much you think you really need, add some more (or double it), and leave all the rest as spare. |
| 10:05.32 | biglama | ok, thanks |
| 10:05.36 | nomad_dw | np |
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| 10:09.20 | footempnym | hmm, no A, so my 2nd Q was kind of foolish ;D ok. thx anyway, i think i got the point (ChrisH) |
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| 10:14.18 | Alina-malina | hmmm, is it possible to make a private CDN on 5 virtual private hostings, and split the load balance equaly between this servers? what i need for that? |
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| 10:15.21 | ChrisH | biglama: I do the initial setup pretty small and increase the filesystems as needed. So I mainly keep 60% and more as spare, initally. |
| 10:15.51 | biglama | ChrisH: got it, thanks |
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| 10:19.52 | grep0r | Alina-malina, depends what do you mean |
| 10:20.46 | Alina-malina | grep0r, i have a website with loads of images and image views, so it is reloaded all the time:) i want to split the images to 4-5 different vps and split the load on server to that vps where will images be kept only, what server side software should i use for that? |
| 10:21.09 | Alina-malina | *on those vpservers |
| 10:21.44 | waqstar | Would anybody recommend xrdp? |
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| 10:29.37 | grep0r | Alina-malina, dont know a software do that |
| 10:30.07 | Alina-malina | grep0r, how to split the load between servers? |
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| 10:33.16 | grep0r | Alina-malina, depends probably scripts/bouncers can do that but must be other software for that |
| 10:33.32 | corepb | Alina-malina: why not just a very simple nginx nodes with cache support for all the images? then dns load balancing (static.domain.com -> pointing to multiple IP addresses of your VPSes) |
| 10:33.32 | Alina-malina | grep0r, does nginx can do that? |
| 10:33.59 | Alina-malina | corepb, yes this is exactly what i want to do, but i am not sure how to do that, need some sort of tutorials |
| 10:34.16 | Alina-malina | corepb, super solution! |
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| 10:38.24 | corepb | Alina-malina: hmmm... give me a second |
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| 10:38.57 | Alina-malina | corepb, lol ok:) |
| 10:39.21 | corepb | Alina-malina: I guess for example: http://reviewsignal.com/blog/2013/08/29/reverse-proxy-and-cache-server-with-nginx/ |
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| 10:40.13 | Alina-malina | corepb, hmmm, it caches all images links and then split power load in to other servers? |
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| 10:40.16 | corepb | Alina-malina: and just make your primary server to be slave one in nginx nodes... could be quite transparent |
| 10:40.43 | Alina-malina | corepb, hmmm, ok i will try that aproach thank you, very interesting! |
| 10:40.52 | corepb | Alina-malina: if you make DNS A record, for example static.domain.com poiting many IP4 addresses yup |
| 10:41.21 | shman | is it advisable to disable swap for better performance? |
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| 10:41.33 | Alina-malina | ok never done this before, need some time to dig there, but thanks alot corepb! i will let you know if it works for me!! |
| 10:41.36 | corepb | shman: is it not better to just make swappiness low? |
| 10:42.03 | corepb | Alina-malina: no worries, hope you will find best way for yourself :) |
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| 10:42.10 | Alina-malina | :) |
| 10:42.32 | shman | corepb: ive got no clue, but i recently had a full swap and my system needed years to start debian again |
| 10:44.13 | corepb | shman: if you are very low on ram maybe you can play with zram? :| it was helpful for me on some low ram machines |
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| 10:44.59 | corepb | shman: I mean RAM compression |
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| 10:46.32 | huayra | huayra |
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| 10:47.30 | grep0r | Alina-malina, is it for web?both can be done with apache or nginx |
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| 10:47.41 | Alina-malina | Alina-malina, yes it is a website |
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| 10:50.38 | corepb | grep0r: Apache would be good to, that is true... but performance for static files is really low if you compare with nginx or varnish afair |
| 10:51.29 | corepb | maybe mpm worker and using ramfs for cache dir would be better... |
| 10:51.35 | Nyoxi | hi! did something happen to package signing on squeeze recently? I started getting problems with verification after apt-get update |
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| 10:52.31 | shman | corepb: thx |
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| 10:55.07 | corepb | Nyoxi: It happens to me sometimes too... I guess that this is related to mirror being in the middle of update process. Changing to different mirror or waiting a while used to fix that issues for me. |
| 10:55.27 | Nyoxi | corepb: huh, ok |
| 10:55.38 | Nyoxi | thanks :) |
| 10:57.03 | corepb | Nyoxi: but it's better to wait for someone to confirm that... could be MITM attack also I guess |
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| 11:02.06 | Nyoxi | well the information I need is whether I have to do something to make it work (because something had changed) or just wait for things to fix on their own |
| 11:02.51 | Nyoxi | from what you say it seems that option 2 is the right one |
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| 11:03.51 | corepb | Nyoxi: hopefully you just need to wait, yes... |
| 11:06.03 | Nyoxi | fair enough |
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| 11:15.02 | ksk | ,versions iucode-tool |
| 11:15.04 | judd | Package: iucode-tool on i386 -- squeeze-backports/contrib: 0.8.3-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/contrib: 0.8.3-1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 1.0.1-1; sid/contrib: 1.0.1-1 |
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| 11:21.21 | Stygia | Hey. |
| 11:21.33 | Stygia | Does anyone know where I can find more information about the rationale for removing a package from debian? |
| 11:21.47 | Stygia | I'm wondering why airsnort was removed, and this doesn't tell me all that much: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/airsnort.html |
| 11:21.54 | Stygia | Any pointers where I can find more information? |
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| 11:27.00 | shman | i cant scroll up and down in irssi in terminal anymore pgup and down makes this [5~[6~ y is that? maybe cause i switched to zsh? |
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| 11:27.20 | ikanobori | What terminal emulator are you using. |
| 11:27.34 | ChrisH | shman: looks like TERM does not matches your terminal. |
| 11:27.43 | shman | ikanobori: where can i see this |
| 11:28.04 | shman | ChrisH: mhh, does not match? |
| 11:28.06 | ikanobori | Did you SSH into a machine or did you start a terminal on your own system? |
| 11:28.19 | shman | on system |
| 11:28.28 | ikanobori | And which one do you use? |
| 11:28.31 | ChrisH | shman: I run irssi inside a screen and can PgUp/PgDn with TERM=vt100 |
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| 11:28.57 | shman | in screen its the same behavior |
| 11:29.01 | ksk | Stygia: see the bug report thats given there? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=429507 |
| 11:29.08 | shman | and i think i got vt100 too |
| 11:29.19 | ChrisH | shman: run echo $TERM before you start irssi |
| 11:29.38 | ikanobori | Why do you guys have your TERM set to vt100? |
| 11:29.41 | Stygia | ksk, Ah, right. Thanks. |
| 11:29.51 | ChrisH | shman: what Desktop Environment (DE) do you use? |
| 11:30.00 | shman | xfce4 |
| 11:30.17 | ChrisH | ikanobori: answer a) why not b) because it works. c) what to use else? |
| 11:30.21 | shman | ikanobori: is there anything better? |
| 11:30.44 | ikanobori | xterm or xterm-256color |
| 11:30.57 | ikanobori | So you get your 256 color support which most terminal emulators, or at least the mainstream ones, support. |
| 11:31.06 | shman | my echo $TERM prints xterm! |
| 11:31.34 | Myrtti | but what does it say inside the screen session |
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| 11:31.43 | ChrisH | ikanobori: I would not tell xterm-256color better.... especially towards apple system it was PITA |
| 11:32.09 | ikanobori | Yes, because both Terminal.app and iTerm2 are pretty bad terminal emulators. |
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| 11:32.46 | ikanobori | shman: What Myrtti says, but generally it is xterm as well. Does pgup/pgdwn only not work in irssi itself or also in your shell (in screen). |
| 11:32.58 | shman | Myrtti: insine screen, it print screen as $TERM, but irssi |
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| 11:33.10 | Myrtti | what |
| 11:33.15 | ChrisH | ikanobori: I was talking about ssh onto apple systems using normal terminals |
| 11:33.33 | ikanobori | Fwiw, [5~ and [6~ are the ends of the escape sequences a terminal sends for those keys. |
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| 11:34.22 | ikanobori | Lunch, &. |
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| 11:36.13 | shman | in normal shell scrolling works with ctrl+shift+pgup/down |
| 11:36.24 | shman | and with mousescroll. |
| 11:36.42 | shman | but here when i mouse scrol i get this : [A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B |
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| 11:38.46 | b0ss_ | hey how to authenticate in my proxy with apt-get ? |
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| 11:39.17 | b0ss_ | I can't modify /etc/environment or either /etc/apt/apt.conf for there's not left space |
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| 11:40.40 | ChrisH | b0ss_: man apt.conf search for http_proxy and find http://[[user][:pass]@]host[:port]/. |
| 11:40.55 | ChrisH | b0ss_: Disk full? |
| 11:41.04 | b0ss_ | ChrisH: yes |
| 11:41.13 | b0ss_ | And I just installed Debian 7.3 |
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| 11:41.34 | ChrisH | then cleanup, or increase filesystems if LVM is in place. |
| 11:41.40 | shman | [A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B |
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| 11:42.30 | b0ss_ | ChrisH: not possible right now |
| 11:42.35 | b0ss_ | hey how to authenticate in my proxy with apt-get ? |
| 11:42.53 | b0ss_ | I looked at apt.conf but didn't figure out |
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| 11:43.09 | ChrisH | b0ss_: last time: man apt.conf search for http_proxy and find http://[[user][:pass]@]host[:port]/. |
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| 11:51.15 | Guest90072 | what are dvd1,dvd2 and dvd3 used for? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
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| 11:51.47 | themill | Guest90072: installing yet more packages without a working network connection |
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| 11:52.08 | petern_ | Hmm, how does cp treat sparse files? |
| 11:53.11 | themill | petern_: I assume you've looked at the man page... |
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| 11:53.43 | Guest90072 | themill:which one for gnome installation? |
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| 11:53.58 | themill | Guest90072: most of gnome is on CD1 (or DVD1) |
| 11:54.31 | petern_ | Of course not, if I had I wouldn't've asked. |
| 11:54.32 | corepb | petern_: I guess it is better to copy using rsync with dedicated switch :/ |
| 11:54.50 | petern_ | (No man installed on that machine, but I checked now anyway) |
| 11:54.57 | themill | !man cp |
| 11:54.57 | dpkg | man cp is probably at http://manpages.debian.org/cp where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
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| 11:58.34 | corepb | ahhh so cp does care about sparse files out of the box - nice :) |
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| 12:00.59 | petern_ | Yeah... needed to make sure as I don't want a sparse file :) |
| 12:01.28 | martin-_-_ | i got here an screen issue. The login screen (lightdm and gnome) uses the wrong screen resolution http://i.imgur.com/WVYZB83.jpg but the resolution should be 1920x1080 how can i fix this? |
| 12:01.34 | morgan_ | hi - aside from ossec can anyone recommend any good file integrity tools for debian ? |
| 12:02.17 | petern_ | there's tripwire |
| 12:02.29 | morgan_ | petern_: thanks |
| 12:02.43 | petern_ | and samhain |
| 12:02.53 | petern_ | i've only used ossec though |
| 12:03.43 | corepb | morgan_: you can always add some xrand commands in Xsetup file for lightdm I guess... |
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| 12:03.56 | corepb | morgan_: sorry, not to you |
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| 12:04.05 | corepb | martin-_-_: you can always add some xrand commands in Xsetup file for lightdm I guess... |
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| 12:05.01 | corepb | martin-_-_: just test what commands you need to run to have a proper resolution and then add to Xsetup |
| 12:05.06 | footempnym | heyall, there's an external USB HD with dm-crypt on /dev/sdx3; gnome-disk-tools lets me unlock/decrypt the partition but isn't capable of handling the LMV-stuff inside sdx3_crypt. system-config-lvm only provides initialization-functionality, which erases all data on that partition, which is not desired. How do i simply USE/mount the LVM-stuff? |
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| 12:06.39 | jelly | footempnym: use the normal lvm cli tools, eg. scan for volume groups with vgs, bring them up with vgchange -ay ..., then access LVs as you wish |
| 12:07.25 | jelly | footempnym: lvs to see logical volumes |
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| 12:08.28 | footempnym | jelly: sounds good, thx in advance, i'll try ;) |
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| 12:10.28 | shman | is there a way that i doesnt need to enter passwd all the time when i sudo? |
| 12:11.11 | shman | im feelin that working on debian or linux is nothing to do than enter sudoers passwd all the time -.- |
| 12:11.23 | corepb | shman: NOPASSWD instead of PASSWD in dedicated line maybe |
| 12:11.51 | shman | corepb: i mean disabling passwd in sudoers config? |
| 12:12.10 | shman | wouldnt it be a big sec issues? |
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| 12:12.27 | themill | well... you can't have it both ways |
| 12:12.31 | corepb | shman: no, I mean just one line for example: "shman ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL" |
| 12:12.58 | martin-_-_ | corepb, i run after login xrandr -s 0 and gnome-shell --replace & so that the right resolution will be loaded |
| 12:13.36 | shman | O.o and any process with malware could rape the system easily or? |
| 12:13.38 | corepb | shman: ahhh... so you want to be asked for password ONLY once per session? |
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| 12:13.48 | shman | corepb: exactly |
| 12:14.03 | shman | this would be a BIG advantage |
| 12:14.20 | themill | is the 15 minute timeout not long enough? |
| 12:14.50 | shman | themill: timeout? |
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| 12:14.55 | corepb | shman: you can set passwd_timeout=-1 in sudoers settings to make your passwords not expiring at all |
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| 12:15.15 | themill | itym timestamp_timeout? |
| 12:15.23 | shman | thu this is what i was looking for |
| 12:15.30 | shman | yea timeout :) |
| 12:15.43 | footempnym | jelly: any comments on vgs "WARNING: Duplicate VG name vg1" |
| 12:15.44 | corepb | martin-_-_: hmmm... do you really need to run gnome-shell --replace in Xsetup O.o |
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| 12:16.12 | martin-_-_ | otherwise the current gnome-shell doesnt apply the new resolution |
| 12:16.19 | corepb | martin-_-_: ahhh :| |
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| 12:16.49 | corepb | martin-_-_: |
| 12:17.02 | corepb | what if you add only "xrandr -s 0" to your Xsetup? |
| 12:17.23 | corepb | gnome-session is going to be started afterwards anyway... so should not be a problem |
| 12:17.27 | martin-_-_ | i think i'm missing somehting, i have no command xsetup |
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| 12:17.54 | corepb | martin-_-_: it's not command, it's file... well I have this file in KDM :| let me see if it's also in lightdm |
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| 12:21.14 | corepb | martin-_-_: ahhh cool, it looks like lightdm have dedicated line for this :) |
| 12:21.36 | corepb | display-setup-script=/usr/share/mycustomloginvideo.sh |
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| 12:22.39 | corepb | martin-_-_: and just +x this script |
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| 12:22.57 | martin-_-_ | thanks corepb |
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| 12:23.07 | corepb | martin-_-_: hope that helps |
| 12:23.38 | paul_grozav | Hi guys, I think I am affected by this security problem: http://www.debian.org/security/key-rollover/ Can someone help me ? |
| 12:23.59 | Deeps | paul_grozav: that was back in 2008 o_0 |
| 12:24.14 | martin-_-_ | my screen is getting 1-2 seconds blank when i move my mouse or i hit a key..... 0o |
| 12:24.15 | paul_grozav | Deeps: Yes, that's weird ... |
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| 12:24.48 | paul_grozav | Deeps: Let me show you ssh -v output ... |
| 12:25.19 | Deeps | please use pastebin, and dont paste in here |
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| 12:27.34 | paul_grozav | Deeps: http://pastebin.com/qYjjdMJD |
| 12:28.07 | Deeps | i'm not sure what that is, but i dont think it's related |
| 12:29.08 | paul_grozav | Deeps: I searched on google about that and this link came up ... it said it's affecting all debian based distros, I had the same problem with ubuntu ... |
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| 12:31.57 | ChrisH | paul_grozav: I am not sure, but this looks like you are trying to use kerberos for authentication without having a proper kerberos ticket. |
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| 12:32.33 | ChrisH | http://www.preshweb.co.uk/2011/03/slow-ssh-connections-hanging-at-gssapi-auth/comment-page-1/ fix idea: GSSAPIAuthentication no |
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| 12:48.20 | ksk | ,versions rsyslog |
| 12:48.22 | judd | Package: rsyslog on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.4-2; squeeze-backports: 5.8.11-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 5.8.11-3; wheezy-backports: 7.4.4-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 7.4.4-1; sid: 7.4.4-1 |
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| 13:02.18 | JOGATRES | Hi everybody, I am currently working on a paper about reliability of open source softwares in companies. You can help me by answering this short survey: http://opensource-survey.myesgi.org Thank you |
| 13:03.57 | abrotman | because I needed five in three minutes .. |
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| 13:04.35 | gregc2 | what a retarded survey |
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| 13:04.54 | kRush | someone should do a paper about reliability of surveys conducted via IRC =c |
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| 13:05.30 | gregc2 | lol |
| 13:05.43 | gregc2 | yes, i want a survey to determine if my software is reliable to my company |
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| 13:10.13 | linux-fox | hi,guys, how can i build a debian mirror server? |
| 13:10.31 | linux-fox | rsync? |
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| 13:10.32 | tparcina | How to show the date next to clock in Jessie? |
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| 13:10.45 | rozie | there's howto describing how to make mirror |
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| 13:11.00 | rozie | linux-fox: why do you want mirror? |
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| 13:11.26 | linux-fox | i want to build a debian mirros in o private lan |
| 13:11.28 | rozie | because if you want just download packages to many machines locally, proxy will be better |
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| 13:11.47 | rozie | linux-fox: apt-proxy(-ng) is what you want |
| 13:11.57 | mtn | tparcina: the desktop is more important info than the release, so which desktop? |
| 13:12.30 | linux-fox | rozie: many person of my company will use the debian mirror |
| 13:12.41 | tparcina | mtn: Default Jessie. I gues Gnome. |
| 13:12.58 | rozie | they can use proxy as well |
| 13:13.02 | mtn | tparcina: is gnome, then gnome-tweak-tool |
| 13:13.22 | tparcina | mtn: Thank you. |
| 13:13.52 | linux-fox | how can i build a debian mirror, rsync? |
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| 13:15.21 | rozie | linux-fox: http://bit.ly/1iH51pD |
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| 13:15.45 | atone | how would you recommend me to convert these six books into a pdf, well formatted for printing? www.sacred-texts.com/hin/vp/index.htm |
| 13:16.36 | CissWit | linux-fox: for internal usage you should really use an apt proxy. It will have the same functionality than a mirror but will only download used package (and won't download and update all the packages you will never need) |
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| 13:18.48 | linux-fox | CissWit: the mirror server will be in a private lan , not connect to internet |
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| 13:21.22 | Nyoxi | how will it update itself then? or you want just a snapshot of a particular state of the repository? |
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| 13:36.54 | paul_grozav | Thanks guys, i found the problem: http://paul.grozav.info/2014/01/13/ssh-long-delay-because-of-gssapiauthentication/ |
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| 13:40.14 | milligan | I added a custom script to runlevels using update-rc.d SCript defaults . My problem is that the service uses MySQL, and MySQL is started AFTER my service, causing the service to die upon initial run. How can I tell it to start after MySQL? |
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| 13:47.54 | abrotman | milligan: you cahange the number |
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| 13:48.00 | milligan | I tried. |
| 13:48.10 | milligan | update-rc.d MyScript defaults 80 <- no difference |
| 13:48.16 | milligan | still installing at 01 in every runlevel. |
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| 13:56.38 | Nyoxi | milligan: add a LSB section to the init script and specify the dependency there |
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| 13:57.02 | milligan | Nyoxi, will $mysql suffice? |
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| 13:57.50 | Nyoxi | milligan: just 'mysql' |
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| 13:58.33 | milligan | Nyoxi, will the values in /etc/rc* change or do I have to reboot to see if it works ? |
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| 13:59.25 | Nyoxi | milligan: update-rc.d should be all you need to run |
| 14:00.47 | milligan | Nyoxi, yes, but will the filenames in /etc/rc* change so I can see it has picked up on the changes? |
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| 14:01.52 | Nyoxi | milligan: yup |
| 14:02.18 | Nyoxi | erm, wait |
| 14:02.41 | urseus | hi there, i've created a deb package which is isntalling my simple application into "/opt/myapp" folder. I would like to give that folder to write permission for any user during installation, is it possible ? |
| 14:02.56 | Nyoxi | milligan: you have to do update-rc.d foobar remove first |
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| 14:04.08 | gregc2 | anyone ever run into this logcheck error mktemp: failed to create directory via template `/tmp/logcheck.XXXXXX': Permission denied |
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| 14:04.45 | Nyoxi | milligan: ok, now that I look at the man page, it's not that straightforward once you added the script links |
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| 14:05.31 | Nyoxi | milligan: add -f argument to the remove call |
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| 14:05.52 | milligan | update-rc.d -f MyScript remove <- ? |
| 14:05.57 | Nyoxi | yes |
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| 14:06.06 | Nyoxi | and then update-rc.d MyScript defaults 80 |
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| 14:06.36 | milligan | Nice. Looks like it worked just adding "mysql" to the LSB section |
| 14:07.03 | milligan | Thank you very much |
| 14:07.19 | Nyoxi | np |
| 14:07.49 | Nyoxi | I didn't realize how safe it tries to be with existing links |
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| 14:10.17 | urseus | any idea about that ^ ? |
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| 14:11.38 | TheWarden | Hi |
| 14:11.51 | TheWarden | can one set multiple hostnames for a given server? I have multiple IP addresses set and I would like to assign a hostname for each. |
| 14:12.00 | abrotman | TheWarden: sure |
| 14:12.15 | abrotman | TheWarden: in DNS I mean .. |
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| 14:12.52 | TheWarden | abrotman: mm okay. I wonder if I could use the DNS within Samba 4 since I already have that. |
| 14:13.16 | caraconan | Hi there. Which kernel module should I load to get "CONFIG_NET_9P" kernel option enabled? http://paste.debian.net/75929/ Thanks |
| 14:13.31 | abrotman | TheWarden: eh, why would Samba care? |
| 14:14.03 | TheWarden | abrotman: well not samba itself... Samba 4 comes with DNS when setup as an active directory. |
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| 14:16.07 | Nyoxi | urseus: probably depends on how you build the package |
| 14:16.25 | rfree | damn why tar, ar, do not have option to NOT write the timestamp (or write faked one)? |
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| 14:17.05 | rfree | after quite some time on making package builds identical, still some files end up with sometimes different stamps (despite faketime) and tar happily saves that |
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| 14:18.08 | rfree | throws his hat - I've had it with the motherfucking stamps on this m-f- plane |
| 14:18.16 | rfree | rewrites tar |
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| 14:19.22 | urseus | Nyoxi: i'm using debreate for creating that package |
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| 14:19.28 | Nyoxi | rfree: isn't -m what you want? (tar) |
| 14:19.44 | urseus | Nyoxi: can i do that with post-script ? |
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| 14:21.29 | rfree | Nyoxi: hm :) |
| 14:21.59 | gnu-man | hi again |
| 14:22.27 | Nyoxi | urseus: indeed you can |
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| 14:23.40 | rfree | well duh. though in this case while at all it's needed to use faketime while building identical .deb's |
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| 14:28.44 | piklu | Hi, I need to get someone interested in blogging about a debian stuff on our upcoming open source blog - You will be recompensated as a share of whatever the blog earns….or whatever u feel. If you like to blog and would like to blog about debian new stuff and a lot of things on debian please send me a msg. |
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| 14:31.48 | gnu-man | hi |
| 14:32.23 | gnu-man | So dput is used in combination with mini-dinstall. So dput adds new packages to a mini-dinstall managed directory. Or does it work differently? Goes the package to be added to incoming and mini-dinstall processes it from there? |
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| 14:36.11 | footempnym | heyall, me again, i renamed some VGs an LVs; now the system refuses to reboot using the old LVM identifiers. I re-renamed them "back to normal", boot works now, but i still want to rename them while keeping the system bootable. What have i forgotten after renaming - grub-update or something? Hints? |
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| 14:39.24 | rfree | Nyoxi: the -m option helps only when extracting, not when creating the archive it seems |
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| 14:39.51 | rfree | I've had it with the motherfucking stamps on this m-f- plane! |
| 14:39.55 | rfree | rageforks tar utils |
| 14:40.22 | bullgard4 | Description of the DEB program package »gnome-power-manager«: "GNOME Power Manager is a session daemon for the GNOME desktop that takes care of system or desktop events related to power, and triggers actions accordingly." Why does: '~$ ps aux | grep gnome-settings-manager' not produce any output although the DEB program package »gnome-power-manager« is installed?« |
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| 14:40.41 | joj | footempnym: cat /proc/cmdline: does the root= entry still point to the corect LV? |
| 14:41.03 | Nyoxi | rfree: yeah, dunno if you can force tar to specify artificial timestamp for .tar |
| 14:41.13 | joj | footempnym: also, you might need to adjust /etc/fstab |
| 14:41.29 | joj | footempnym: if you used fs labels and not UUIDs there |
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| 14:42.02 | footempnym | joj: /proc/cmdline points to the old/normal vg-lv |
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| 14:42.55 | joj | footempnym: in any case your correct rootfs? ok, with what message does it fail? |
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| 14:43.04 | footempnym | joj: ahh yeah, i think it's fstab, thank you :D |
| 14:43.20 | joj | footempnym: OK ^^ |
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| 14:44.35 | joj | footempnym: might want convert your fstab from block device paths to UUIDs. much safer should you change your device configuration. |
| 14:44.56 | drhouse123 | hi all! can anybody reproduce this with gimp 2.8 http://i.imgur.com/6j9mkHk.png ? |
| 14:44.57 | ChrisH | footempnym: What did you rename? VGs and/or LVs? And how did you do that? |
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| 14:45.37 | drhouse123 | white text have green edges |
| 14:45.55 | joj | drhouse123: I fail to understand your intention here. This is no #art channel ... |
| 14:46.26 | drhouse123 | joj: i guess it is bug |
| 14:46.31 | footempnym | joj: switching to uuids will be considered later |
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| 14:47.38 | drhouse123 | joj: white text should not have green edges |
| 14:47.45 | footempnym | ChrisH: renamed rather generic "vg1" to "s1000" for Seagate 1TB ;) vgrename/lvrename |
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| 14:49.39 | drhouse123 | joj: could you do white text on the black background for youself (in gimp) please ? |
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| 14:50.07 | drhouse123 | joj: with screnshoot |
| 14:50.26 | footempnym | ChrisH: because LVM tools (vgs) throwed some warnings on duplicate VG/LV identifiers |
| 14:50.56 | joj | drhouse123: haha nope. Sorry. |
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| 14:51.30 | ChrisH | footempnym: is the system on vg1 ? |
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| 14:51.44 | footempnym | ChrisH: yes |
| 14:51.45 | drhouse123 | joj: okay... |
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| 14:52.54 | footempnym | ChrisH: but, thanks to joj, i'll rename them, adapt fstab and try to boot |
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| 14:54.16 | ChrisH | footempnym: I never renamed a system VG. and would not do, as I name the root-vg allways vg00 (as it was standard in good-old HP/UX times :) ) but vgrename should do it. |
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| 14:56.49 | footempnym | ChrisH: aight :) |
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| 14:57.22 | footempnym | will try to reboot now |
| 14:58.32 | drhouse123 | probably it is related to infinality (patched freetype) |
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| 15:09.12 | footempnym | ChrisH: now i know. what you mean by "good old days style never changing root-VG" ;D there's more to it than just fixing fstab; initrd an stuff. (@joj) i'll leav it the way it was; too much work for just having nice identifiers ;) |
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| 15:14.12 | ChrisH | footempnym: I learned LVM on HPUX and there the root-vg was named vg00 and noone ever thought about changing the name. And I still name the root-vg vg00, just beeing sentimental. All non-root VGs was pretty simple to rename. vgexport, mknod /dev/vg/vgNEWNAME ; vgimport. This was often needed when migrating into MC/ServiceGuard Cluster. Details would be even more off-topic :) |
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| 15:16.32 | frostschutz | vgrename? |
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| 15:17.03 | footempnym | ChrisH: sounds like dealing with servers. in my case i just wanted nice ids on my home computer. but i learned something today ;) |
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| 15:17.24 | footempnym | frostschutz: LVM Vloume Group rename |
| 15:18.00 | ChrisH | frostschutz: he tried it twice using vgrename and it failed both times. its the root-vg |
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| 15:18.19 | frostschutz | yes, yes, I didn't get the export mknod import part though :). if you rename your root vg, you have to update your kernel/initrd. if the fstab uses uuid, no change there |
| 15:18.41 | frostschutz | ChrisH, oh, you mean it doesn't work while it's in use? okay... |
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| 15:20.21 | antithesis__ | Is there HVM for xen on Debian Jessie? The Wiki tells me to install xen-qemu-dm-4.0, but this is only available for oldstable |
| 15:21.29 | footempnym | frostschutz, ChrisH: hot rename works, even the old links in /dev/mapper/ where kept (if hot keep_old_links). even reboot with wrong root (/) device in fstab worked o_0 |
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| 15:21.44 | frostschutz | footempnym, nice |
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| 15:24.52 | ChrisH | footempnym: does it work or not? I am now confused |
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| 15:27.02 | footempnym | ChrisH, frostschutz: no, if it's too much work to do initrd stuff just to have nice IDs. But i've got plenty of time - you can walk me through and i'll tell you the results ;) |
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| 15:28.45 | footempnym | ChrisH, frostschutz: old setup vg1/lv-root renaming to s1000/root_lv; what's next? initrd....? |
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| 15:30.08 | frostschutz | update-initramfs? |
| 15:30.30 | ChrisH | footempnym: lv-root looks much better then root_lv |
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| 15:32.42 | frostschutz | you already know it's a lv, why put it in the lv name? ;) |
| 15:32.50 | footempnym | ChrisH: yes, but lv-root becomes lv--root during netinst/setup, no idea where the additional - came from, i'll stick to underscores _ |
| 15:33.18 | footempnym | frostschutz: nice point :) |
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| 15:34.01 | frostschutz | I have /dev/SSD/root and /dev/SSD/home for my SSD backed VG (named SSD), and /dev/HDD/steam and the like for the things I don't waste SSD space on |
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| 15:36.30 | ChrisH | that -- comes from devmapper. I just checked my current VGs and LVs. I only have one with - and that doubles. I use names like lvClamAVTmp vgStripped -wi-ao-- 500,00m |
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| 15:37.37 | nomad_dw | I always have a system VG that includes something I can relate back to the hostname (or hardware number for larger environments) |
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| 15:38.12 | nomad_dw | it really makes it simpler if you need to move disks to another host for recovery -- otherwise you get to sit and watch vg00's fit it out... |
| 15:38.54 | frostschutz | nomad_dw, kahaha, good point :) lvm should do what mdadm does there, it records the host name that was used to create it whether you like it or not ... |
| 15:39.09 | frostschutz | so if you take it elsewhere it can be named accordingly |
| 15:39.24 | nomad_dw | frostschutz: you can kludge mdadm to not do that if you talk to it right :) |
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| 15:39.30 | nomad_dw | but it is handy |
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| 15:39.41 | frostschutz | that usually leads to hostname being the one of some rescue cd though |
| 15:39.52 | frostschutz | still, it's a feature if used correctly |
| 15:40.02 | frostschutz | a nice feature |
| 15:40.10 | Monotoko | right... at the moment we have an SSL "excel" file which someone updates manually and forwards any that are expiring to me... problem with this system is mistakes are made. |
| 15:40.14 | footempnym | nomad_dw: that's why i use s1000 for seagate 1TB (i have a simple small setup here) |
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| 15:40.21 | Monotoko | does anyone know of any management tool that will work in Linux for SSL certs? |
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| 15:40.30 | Monotoko | I've found a lot for Windows... |
| 15:40.32 | Monotoko | none for Linux |
| 15:41.11 | footempnym | ok, i renamed VG and LV, fixed fstab, now "update-initramfs -u"? |
| 15:41.21 | nomad_dw | Monotoko: depends what you're using the certs for. We use nagios to do HTTPS certs. |
| 15:42.14 | Monotoko | nomad_dw: does Nagios just monitor when they are expiring? I was ideally after something which I could just give a domain to... it fills everything in from the WHOIS, tells me when it's going to expire, and drops me a CSR when the time comes to renew |
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| 15:42.20 | nomad_dw | Others are trickier (like PostgreSQL), but some protocols can be coerced to work with checks based on `curl` or `openssl s_client` piping out to a little scripting. |
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| 15:42.53 | Monotoko | we have hundreds of domains, and every few days I'm hit with an expiring one... it's driving me bonkers |
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| 15:43.02 | nomad_dw | Monotoko: the nagios checks we use tell us how many days the cert has left. |
| 15:43.24 | nomad_dw | (Usually starting at 30 as a warning level, to give us plenty of time to request new ones) |
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| 15:44.57 | nomad_dw | Monotoko: but I'd be interested in any solution that does what you describe above, as we're always trying to improve life-cycle management of things like certs/ |
| 15:45.03 | nomad_dw | s$/$.$ |
| 15:45.19 | footempnym | how do i mount /boot/inird.img-... just to look what's in there? |
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| 15:47.17 | nomad_dw | footempnym: It's probably a cpio archive that you can uncompress and unpack somewhere. |
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| 15:47.47 | frostschutz | cpio likes to overwrite stuff without asking :D |
| 15:48.20 | nomad_dw | cpio is ... odd. And should probably go away now... |
| 15:48.26 | nomad_dw | ;) |
| 15:49.16 | frostschutz | mkdir /tmp/thing, cd /tmp/thing, cpio --no-absolute-filenames -i -d -H newc < init.cpio or something like that |
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| 15:50.48 | crane | hey ho, i'm running wheezy with xfce4 but i have a terrible tearing... i troed the noveau driver and also the official nvidia driver but nothing thems to be helping. any other suggestions, tipps or tricks? |
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| 15:52.39 | Monotoko | nomad_dw: looks like I may have to create one |
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| 15:53.00 | oskie | if you choose to set up encryption during debian-installer using dm-crypt, will that be LUKS? |
| 15:53.36 | frostschutz | oskie, I sure hope so |
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| 15:57.48 | joj | oskie: yes |
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| 16:02.13 | footempnym | frostschutz, ChrisH: update-initramfs -u is not enough after renaming root VG/LV |
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| 16:05.49 | footempnym | frostschutz, ChrisH: i'll stop trying now. thank you both :) |
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| 16:09.18 | ChrisH | footempnym: I cannot tell... my testvm is still installing :) I am curious about that |
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| 16:11.05 | morgan_ | anyone here had any experience with tripwire on wheezy? |
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| 16:12.04 | morgan_ | tried to install it but getting various errors.... Filename: /var/lib/tripwire/suricata.twd 'No such file or directory' Error: File seek failed. |
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| 16:12.50 | jhutchins | morgan_: Installing from the standard wheezy repositories? |
| 16:13.20 | morgan_ | yes |
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| 16:13.32 | gnu-man | Question: does dput internally call mini-dinstall? |
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| 16:13.56 | morgan_ | I just apt-get'd it.. when I try to 'tripwire --init' I get various errors... |
| 16:14.07 | morgan_ | (I have ran through the key gen part of the deb install) |
| 16:14.31 | woffs | gnu-man: AFAIK: no |
| 16:14.32 | oskie | heh.. a USB 3.0 cable with exactly the same connector on each end (std USB male) is not correct is it? |
| 16:15.10 | absdf342 | Hi, I have a daemon that I manually start like this: service telldusd start . I would like it to start automatically on each boot - how do I achieve this? Thank you. |
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| 16:16.48 | jhutchins | morgan_: So no errors on the install, just getting it to run afterward. |
| 16:17.37 | morgan_ | jhutchins: thats right |
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| 16:19.05 | gnu-man | woffs: but why is it called when dput was invoked? |
| 16:19.07 | footempnym | ChrisH: do you install with dm-crypt around LVM? I did. |
| 16:19.30 | gnu-man | ok, the other thing is that I had to purge and reinstall the whole mini-dinstall thing, now it works. But dput insists that it aleady uploaded the given changes-file: Package has already been uploaded |
| 16:19.45 | gnu-man | how can I force or make dput forget that it already uploaded it? because it is not there anymore. |
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| 16:21.47 | ChrisH | footempnym: my test VM not. other systems md -> dm-crpyt -> LVM |
| 16:22.02 | oskie | is it possible to run the debian-installer partitioning tool AFTER installation is complete? |
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| 16:22.20 | gnu-man | oskie: depends on what tool is used? |
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| 16:22.35 | gnu-man | oskie: because some tools can modify the disk by rewriting the tables |
| 16:22.39 | gnu-man | oskie: partition manager |
| 16:22.48 | oskie | gnu-man: i have no idea... but you know the menu where you choose 'Guided Partitioning' / ... / 'Manual partitioning' |
| 16:22.51 | gnu-man | oskie: some other tools will destroy everything on the hard disk to modify its layout |
| 16:23.14 | ChrisH | oskie: What do you want to do? |
| 16:23.35 | gnu-man | oskie: you should boot from live gparted or some other partition manager |
| 16:23.38 | oskie | ChrisH: set up encrypted (dm-crypt) drives (secondary drives) |
| 16:23.42 | gnu-man | oskie: and then modify the hard drive, but don't forget to back first! |
| 16:23.46 | gnu-man | oskie: oh |
| 16:24.23 | oskie | I can do this manually, but it'd be nice to do it with the installer's help |
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| 16:25.13 | gnu-man | oskie: you mean LUKS? |
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| 16:25.20 | oskie | gnu-man: yeah... |
| 16:26.14 | jhutchins | morgan_: There are often README files in /usr/share/doc/tripwire* that tell you what steps are necessary to get a package running on Debian when manual configuration is required. |
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| 16:26.27 | gnu-man | oskie: http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/ |
| 16:26.46 | gnu-man | oskie: setting it up the semi-manual way seems to be better |
| 16:27.19 | oskie | yeah, ok |
| 16:27.29 | jhutchins | oskie: No, not without hacking the installer script. |
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| 16:27.49 | footempnym | ChrisH: good luck with your test vm, i'll go off, come back tomorrow, bye |
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| 16:29.18 | gnu-man | oskie: whatever you will do, don't forget to backup your data. |
| 16:29.32 | gnu-man | oskie: you can encrypt the backup, too. But only if you can still access it :) |
| 16:30.08 | morgan_ | jhutchins: ok cheers |
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| 16:30.37 | oskie | gnu-man: hehe, true. I'm trying to figure out how to remember the encryption password... because I don't enter the password very often, so I'm bound to forget it |
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| 16:35.49 | ChrisH | oskie: write it down and put it into the safe |
| 16:36.33 | ChrisH | oskie: or even better into your pw manager/gpg encrypted pw file/... |
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| 16:38.26 | gnu-man | oskie: there are some nice articles about the password choice, e.g.: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/choosing_secure.html |
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| 16:46.29 | cantoma | hey guys, I have re-sized my swap partition size from 1.8GB to 4.2GB but after several reboots the system only acknowledges the old size, i.e., 1.8 GB. Hence, after changing the size of the swap partition is there any command I should be aware of? |
| 16:46.44 | petn-randall | cantoma: How did you change it? |
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| 16:47.15 | cantoma | petn-randall, gparted with livecd |
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| 16:47.33 | nkuttler | cantoma: rerun mkswap? |
| 16:47.44 | petn-randall | cantoma: Did you just resize the partition? You have to do a mkswap on the newly resized partition, too. |
| 16:47.46 | ChrisH | cantoma: I would try swapoff ;mkswap ; swapon |
| 16:47.51 | cantoma | nkuttler, just type mkswap as root? |
| 16:48.05 | nkuttler | just type random commands suggested on irc as root? nope |
| 16:48.06 | petn-randall | cantoma: mkswap /dev/yourswapdevice |
| 16:48.06 | ChrisH | cantoma: please read the man pages before |
| 16:48.32 | petn-randall | nkuttler: Sounds fun! Do I need backups? |
| 16:49.04 | cantoma | ok so i am just trying to find which is my swap partition dev |
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| 16:49.57 | cantoma | petn-randall, to allow my laptop to hibernate in case the memory is full |
| 16:49.58 | nkuttler | petn-randall: not for this dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/kmem bs=1 count=1 seek=$RANDOM |
| 16:50.31 | nkuttler | though i guess it could lead to file curruption in random cases... |
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| 16:50.56 | ChrisH | cantoma: cat /proc/swaps |
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| 16:51.43 | ChrisH | nkuttler: that's an ugly command, a system can run for years and corrupt anything :) |
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| 16:53.01 | cantoma | ChrisH, thank you. My fstab was displaying an UUID. |
| 16:53.33 | gnu-man | hi |
| 16:53.57 | ChrisH | cantoma: then expect to correct that after the mkswap as the UUID is expected to change |
| 16:53.57 | gnu-man | So I want to know what the most elegant way to rebuild a debian package from source from official repository is. |
| 16:54.03 | cantoma | ChrisH, I have also checked the man of mkswap and talks about swapon as you pointed before |
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| 16:54.13 | gnu-man | Just the option --with-open-ssl should be added to debian/rules |
| 16:54.27 | gnu-man | Of course, I could simply add it by hand. But this is not very elegant. What is the standard way for doing so? |
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| 16:55.06 | cantoma | ChrisH, so for the swap I know that is /dev/sda6. Do you know how can I find the UUID for this device? |
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| 16:57.10 | plasticle | cantoma: blkid |
| 16:57.15 | cantoma | ChrisH, I got it know. It is displayed by the mkswap command |
| 16:57.17 | nkuttler | ChrisH: i found it on the internets. they called it kmem russian roulette ;) |
| 16:57.26 | ChrisH | cantoma: or swaplabel |
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| 16:58.48 | ChrisH | nkuttler: thats a cool one. depending on the CPU cache it can even make nothing. I once used adb to set on HP/UX proc pointer to 0 and expected an kernel panic within seconds... took over 15min until the box paniced |
| 16:59.12 | cantoma | My swap is now 4.2GB as listed in htop. thanks :) |
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| 17:02.57 | jimmybrite | Hey, what tool do you guys recommend to demux audio from video in Debian Jessie, preferably already in the base gnome system or a small app in the repo. I'm used to doing it in windows with codec pack tools, should I try with ffmpeg/libav? |
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| 17:03.32 | ksk | jimmybrite: probably, yes. thats the two everybody knows (or i do know..) |
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| 17:03.45 | jimmybrite | Does vlc allow dumps? last time I checked it didn't. I have it installed |
| 17:04.04 | jimmybrite | ksk alright, time to do some research or get lazy and get a gui for ffmpeg/libav |
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| 17:07.40 | jimmybrite | Oh well nvm, vlc does it, I was just waiting for my video to finish downloading, I don't see why I should have a 2 gb video from a radio show (O&A yt video) |
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| 17:08.11 | jimmybrite | Convert/Save, then I chose mp3 (mp4) then "Original audio track" in the advanced profile options |
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| 17:09.38 | jimmybrite | Alright, it worked but it cut off 1hr, oh man. |
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| 17:15.03 | Blakney | There is a machine with a pre-installed 32-bit Windows and an Intel Core 2 Duo T7200. The debian amd64 dvd install disk says after boot: You have a 32-bit CPU, it's not possible to install the amd64 system. |
| 17:15.16 | gnu-man | Hi! |
| 17:15.34 | Blakney | Is there a possibility that the pre-installed 32-bit OS is limiting my way to use amd64? |
| 17:15.35 | Blakney | Hi! |
| 17:16.08 | gnu-man | When only debian/rules of a Debian Package is changed, should a patch be created for this? Or should patches only be created for source code changes? |
| 17:17.09 | jhutchins | Blakney: Shouldn't be. I downder if they did something nefarious to the CPU. Try a live CD and see what cpuinfo says. |
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| 17:17.22 | oskie | anyone know how to rename the encrypted root device? it's currently /dev/mapper/sdb3_crypt but I want it to be /dev/mapper/root_crypt or something instead |
| 17:18.20 | rfree | oskie: looked in /etc/crypttab + /etc/fstab ? I'm not 100% sure if this changes are enough so be ready to boot to repair cd if something |
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| 17:18.30 | ChrisH | Blakney: boot a 32bit LiveCD and check eg using lscpu it the expected CPU installed. |
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| 17:18.55 | oskie | rfree: yeah I did, but update-grub still gets the old name... I don't understand from where. |
| 17:18.59 | Blakney | jhutchins Ok, thx. I was wondering too, why would a 32-bit OS on a separate partition limit the install!? There must be something else. |
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| 17:19.16 | Blakney | ChrisH Thx, I'm gonna check that right now. |
| 17:19.19 | rfree | oskie: maybe also /etc/grub , /etc/default/grub and run grub-install |
| 17:19.29 | ChrisH | oskie: never done that, but check man dmsetup and search for rename |
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| 17:22.53 | oskie | ChrisH: very strange - dmsetup rename succeeded, but after reboot, the old name is back |
| 17:24.56 | oskie | ChrisH: I'm wonder if the info is in the initrd |
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| 17:25.24 | ChrisH | oskie: sorry dunno. |
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| 17:27.45 | jhutchins | oskie: Does the volume contain root? |
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| 17:28.59 | oskie | jhutchins, yeah! I solved it by updating /etc/crypttab, /etc/fstab, and /boot/grub/grub.cfg manually. THEN running update-initramfs -u! |
| 17:29.16 | jhutchins | oskie: Good work! |
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| 17:34.32 | Blakney | jhutchins ChisH There is a well known computer model with an Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 - this was sold instead of the original cpu with an Intel Core Due T2350. So that explains everything, thx... |
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| 18:05.35 | oskie | in tune2fs output, what does "group" in {Inodes,Blocks,Inode blocks,Fragments} per group refer to? |
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| 18:08.08 | Guest85307 | how to get advanced setting or tweak tool? |
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| 18:09.04 | NiLon | oskie user group? |
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| 18:09.36 | centrx | Guest84154, Settings and tweaks for what? |
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| 18:10.20 | Guest85307 | centrx: for gnome shell |
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| 18:13.20 | centrx | Guest85307, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/gnome-tweak-tool-a-tool-for-changing-specialised-or-advanced-gnome3-settings.html ? |
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| 18:14.16 | GuidovanPossum | hello, I'm trying to format an older windows laptop, completely erasing it, and install Debian on it for the first time |
| 18:14.38 | anisfarhana | in debian we trust! |
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| 18:16.49 | centrx | GuidovanPossum, Okay? |
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| 18:18.12 | Guest85307 | centrx: OK,THANX |
| 18:18.27 | GuidovanPossum | I tried it on an RPi and really liked it, I was wondering what style to format it as? |
| 18:18.39 | centrx | style? |
| 18:18.55 | GuidovanPossum | flavour? |
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| 18:19.30 | centrx | GuidovanPossum, Do you mean among Debian-based distributions, or do you mean among Debian releases? |
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| 18:20.23 | GuidovanPossum | just like NTFS or FAT32 or ReiserFS or Ext3 |
| 18:20.27 | centrx | GuidovanPossum, If the laptop is very old, you should probably use vanilla Debian because Ubuntu, Mint, etc. are more resource-heavy |
| 18:20.36 | centrx | GuidovanPossum, Oh, probably ext4 |
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| 18:20.57 | centrx | GuidovanPossum, ReiserFS is apparently done for ever since the founder was convicted of murder :) |
| 18:21.10 | centrx | GuidovanPossum, NTFS and FAT32 are Windows filesystems, not well-suited as the root filesystem for Linux |
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| 18:22.54 | centrx | GuidovanPossum, Ext4 is the current standard for Linux. |
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| 18:26.21 | lapache | hello, i need help for coova-chilli 1.3, it works but dns queries of clients aren't resolved, someone has an idea ? |
| 18:27.53 | tuxy | Is using "allow-hotplug eth0" and "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces redundant? |
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| 18:31.46 | oskie | hmm..what's wrong when fsck fails because the root file system is already mounted? |
| 18:32.31 | tehrabbitt | today must have been my lucky day :\ had to mail 4 certified letters @ the post office, and the woman 4 people in front of me has a stroke and they shut the post office down for like 20 minutes V_V |
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| 18:33.11 | abrotman | tehrabbitt: wrong channel I presume? |
| 18:33.16 | b52 | can i get the deb-src for the backports repo somehow? |
| 18:33.19 | tehrabbitt | abrotman: eh kinda, just adding to the lucky day lol |
| 18:33.27 | b52 | i want to build a package from it in a newer version |
| 18:33.41 | abrotman | tehrabbitt: not amused ... |
| 18:33.46 | centrx | oskie, Normally you fsck and unmounted filesystem, or maybe you can remount it read-only |
| 18:33.50 | tehrabbitt | abrotman: what makes it luckier, is I broke something earlier on my debian laptop, hence why I was in here to begin with -_- |
| 18:33.53 | abrotman | tehrabbitt: we have a #debian-offtopic you can play in if you prefer |
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| 18:34.09 | tehrabbitt | abrotman: it was not intentional. |
| 18:34.39 | centrx | The letters you were mailing were about Debian |
| 18:34.52 | centrx | and the woman had a stroke because her pacemaker was not running Debian |
| 18:34.56 | tehrabbitt | lol |
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| 18:35.06 | abrotman | dpkg: tell tehrabbitt about fixresolveconf |
| 18:35.29 | tehrabbitt | ? |
| 18:36.18 | abrotman | that would work better if I didn't typo it |
| 18:36.26 | abrotman | oh .. that was also form hours ago .. ignore me |
| 18:36.33 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 18:37.07 | tehrabbitt | abrotman: problem still exists though :\ never did fix it lol |
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| 18:37.40 | tehrabbitt | only hen its dhcp for eth0 anyway |
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| 18:38.11 | abrotman | dpkg: tell tehrabbitt about fixresolvconf |
| 18:38.43 | tehrabbitt | abrotman: thx :) |
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| 18:42.16 | dosfin | someone could recommend a MySQL client for gnome. I have installed Debian 7 x64 |
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| 18:44.17 | oskie | can someone with /boot partition please tell me the 'pass' number for / and /boot in their /etc/fstab? |
| 18:46.09 | mcr1 | doesn't matter. |
| 18:46.17 | mcr1 | the pass is the order in which fsck will process the disk. |
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| 18:46.40 | mcr1 | unless the partitions are on different spindles, and you can fsck them efficiently in paralell, it can be any number that is unique. |
| 18:46.44 | oskie | well I have a weird boot error: checkfs fails because the root fs is already mounted |
| 18:46.47 | cusco | dosfin: mysql-client |
| 18:46.56 | mcr1 | (if you want two done together, give them the same pass#) |
| 18:47.05 | mcr1 | root should generally be pass 0 or 1. |
| 18:47.32 | mcr1 | usually, your boot line should have "ro" to mount root read only, so that fsck can process /, and then remount it. |
| 18:47.51 | mcr1 | (sometimes that then requires a reboot, I've never been clear when/why/if) |
| 18:47.53 | oskie | mcr1: yeah, it does |
| 18:48.18 | mcr1 | I suggest you boot single user, make sure / is mounted ro, and fsck it. |
| 18:48.22 | mcr1 | mount -o remount,ro / |
| 18:48.30 | mcr1 | fsck / |
| 18:48.33 | oskie | mcr1: i think the problem is that fsck -R (which should skip the root filesystem) still checks the root filesystems |
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| 18:48.55 | mcr1 | maybe fsck -R checks by pass number, but that would surprise me. Or maybe it sees root mounted in another place as well. |
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| 18:49.05 | mcr1 | could your initrd have left it on /pivot or something? |
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| 18:49.38 | oskie | mcr1: hehe I think I found the issue |
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| 18:50.19 | oskie | mcr1: I had managed to put the wrong UUID for another filesystem - instead of the correct UUID I had put the root fs' UUID :) |
| 18:50.48 | mcr1 | that would definitely do it. |
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| 18:51.15 | dosfin | is it best to mysql-client, but I'm looking for an application with the GNOME environment |
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| 18:51.52 | cusco | dosfin: there used to be mysql browser |
| 18:51.56 | cusco | now there is mysql workbench |
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| 18:53.06 | plasticle | dosfin: torah might be a possibility as well |
| 18:53.48 | dosfin | thanks cusco! |
| 18:53.54 | cusco | np |
| 18:53.55 | plasticle | dosfin: correction TOra |
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| 18:54.32 | catsup | anyone know how to disable alt-left/right from switching console in gnome? |
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| 18:56.23 | dosfin | I'm installing, it seems appropriate cusco |
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| 19:04.07 | lawr | How do I manage files on Debian on my Windows phone? |
| 19:04.18 | lawr | plugged in the USB, nothing happens |
| 19:04.23 | lawr | lsusb lists the device |
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| 19:05.13 | jhutchins | oskie: shutdown -Fr now will reboot and check the filesystem. |
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| 19:05.59 | jhutchins | catsup: Why? |
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| 19:06.53 | cdv1234 | hallo, i have a problem with squid proxy and Cisco wccp. how can i make squid transparent proxy working with wccp? I cant find any useful tutorial in the net. i have tried 5 of them but debian server wont register with cisco wccp |
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| 19:09.52 | verodeb | hi |
| 19:10.02 | verodeb | how can i install a 32bit version of a package |
| 19:10.10 | verodeb | on a wheezy amd64 machine? |
| 19:10.15 | catsup | jhutchins: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-cyrillic/+bug/520546 |
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| 19:11.34 | b0ss_ | I have a flash drive of 16GB size. Is it recommended to leave my "/" partition at least 16GB in order for the system to be able to mount it on /dev/sdaX ? |
| 19:11.47 | hesco | building a new server with a hardware RAID controller, we used the RAID controller to build a RAID-1 array, but now when building the base debian operating system we see both physical drives in the partitioning tool. Am I reading this right? Does it fail to see our RAID array? What might I do to fix this? |
| 19:12.04 | catsup | i had been blaming gnome for the problem, turns out it wasn't gnome at all |
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| 19:14.56 | b0ss_ | I have a flash drive of 16GB size. Is it recommended to leave my "/" partition at least 16GB in order for the system to be able to mount it on /dev/sdaX ? |
| 19:15.09 | plasticle | verodeb: you need to enable multilib |
| 19:15.31 | plasticle | then you can do a apt-get install [package]:i386 |
| 19:15.43 | verodeb | how can i enable multilib? |
| 19:15.54 | verodeb | plasticle: |
| 19:15.58 | petern_ | multi-arch is the correct term |
| 19:15.59 | plasticle | multiarch sorry |
| 19:16.40 | verodeb | plasticle petern_ how can i enable multilib? |
| 19:16.50 | verodeb | *arch |
| 19:17.02 | plasticle | dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 19:17.02 | dpkg | gets an architect to start planning a new classical processor |
| 19:17.06 | plasticle | apt-get update |
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| 19:17.16 | plasticle | sorry bot |
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| 19:17.39 | verodeb | ty |
| 19:17.39 | plasticle | verodeb: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 19:19.17 | verodeb | ty |
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| 19:19.52 | wuffi600 | hi. |
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| 19:21.16 | petn-randall | hesco: You most likely have a 'fake' HW RAID Controller, which does the RAID secretly in the software driver. |
| 19:21.35 | cdv1234 | can someone help me please. i cant find working tutorial cisco wccp and squid proxy |
| 19:21.37 | wuffi600 | I have done "aptitude safe-upgrade what has done: "[UPGRADE] libssl1.0.0:amd64 1.0.1e-2 -> 1.0.1e-2+deb7u1 [UPGRADE] libssl1.0.0:i386 1.0.1e-2 -> 1.0.1e-2+deb7u1 [UPGRADE] openssl:amd64 1.0.1e-2 -> 1.0.1e-2+deb7u1 [UPGRADE] libssl1.0.0:amd64 1.0.1e-2+deb7u1 -> 1.0.1e-2+deb7u3 [UPGRADE] libssl1.0.0:i386 1.0.1e-2+deb7u1 -> 1.0.1e-2+deb7u3 [UPGRADE] libxfont1:amd64 1:1.4.5-2 -> 1:1.4.5-3 [UPGRADE] openssl:amd64 1.0.1e-2+deb7u1 -> 1.0. |
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| 19:22.00 | Ziberius | hello |
| 19:22.12 | wuffi600 | is there a way to easily rollback to the situation before "aptitude safe-upgrade" |
| 19:22.13 | wuffi600 | ? |
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| 19:23.01 | petn-randall | wuffi600: Why do you want to do that? Downgrading is not supported, but technically possible. |
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| 19:23.35 | hesco | petn-randall: its a MegaRAID_SAS_8888ELP. Spent $150 on it, hoping it might be a real hardware controller. wondering how I should proceed. Our intent is RAID-1 mirror. ANy ideas? |
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| 19:24.20 | wuffi600 | connecting with ssl to mysqld does not work anymore |
| 19:24.40 | wuffi600 | petn-randall: connecting with ssl to lampp's mysqld does not work anymore. |
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| 19:25.03 | petn-randall | hesco: I would set up a software RAID with mdadm. That way you can stick your HDDs into a new system and simply boot from that if the HW RAID Controller ever goes up in flames. |
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| 19:25.18 | luk931d | hallo can someone help me with wheezy squid proxy and cisco 1921 router |
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| 19:25.24 | petn-randall | hesco: The only advantage of a RAID controller is the writeback-cache if it has any. |
| 19:25.31 | luk931d | squid wont register at cisco router |
| 19:25.43 | petn-randall | luk931d: Don't ask to ask, explain your problem. :) |
| 19:25.44 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 19:25.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:25.48 | UserError | why are the stock compile targets for higher end gnome metas still targeting i686? How is it possible for an EDO ram PPro to even run that? |
| 19:26.09 | petn-randall | UserError: Yes. |
| 19:26.12 | hesco | petn-randall: had been advised to stick with HW controller as it would make things easier than mdadm make it |
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| 19:26.26 | luk931d | ok, sa i said i cant find a working tutorial for debian wheezy and squid proxy to work with my cisco router |
| 19:26.26 | hesco | disappointing, ok, trying that I guess. |
| 19:26.30 | verodeb | plasticle: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:26.31 | verodeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.31 | verodeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.31 | verodeb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:26.34 | hesco | thanks for guidance |
| 19:26.44 | hesco | petn-randall: ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 19:27.04 | UserError | It seems illogical for anything beyond what is possible to run, though I do understand for CLI |
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| 19:27.17 | petn-randall | hesco: Believe me, HW RAID is a pain in the ass. You can easily loose your data due to a firmware upgrade changing the data layout. |
| 19:27.24 | plasticle | verodeb: are you trying to install postgresql? |
| 19:27.38 | plasticle | i assume so |
| 19:27.55 | luk931d | my current config: client pc should surf the web and needs a programm that wont work with proxys. If i enter proxy in browser the user can surf the web and can use the specific programm. but as soon user starts to download content from the application it says not possible because of proxy |
| 19:28.17 | luk931d | so i need working configuration that port 80 is redirected from cisco router to my local squid proxy |
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| 19:29.06 | petn-randall | wuffi600: Have you restarted mysql after the upgrade? |
| 19:29.16 | plasticle | nm |
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| 19:30.09 | wuffi600 | petn-randall: yes also rebooted |
| 19:30.12 | luk931d | i can only find cisco asa tutorials but the cisco commands are not the same as in Cisco IOS router |
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| 19:30.45 | UserError | what is that one channel, vsdio? |
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| 19:32.36 | petn-randall | UserError: Making some thing able to run on certain hardware, but not on other, but still be the same architecture ... that would be a nightmare. |
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| 19:33.23 | UserError | why? gnome doesn't run on that hardware |
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| 19:33.42 | UserError | march flag |
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| 19:34.06 | UserError | there are spins that may, which have their own targets |
| 19:34.07 | UserError | but KDE does not run on a pentiumpro |
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| 19:34.23 | UserError | it will still run btw |
| 19:34.52 | UserError | I can run 64bit compile targets for i7-avx on a via 64bit |
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| 19:35.55 | UserError | like i said, for CLI stuff I guess I agree, but at some point you're running into RAM limitations based on the chipsets alone |
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| 19:36.41 | GEDTMOR | my mobo only supports up to 16 Gb :( |
| 19:36.43 | UserError | the embedded boys at sony and samsung (tizen) are already starting to figure this out |
| 19:37.03 | UserError | Right, but look at what the actual i686 target actually supports |
| 19:37.18 | UserError | not enough to run the packages compiled for that march |
| 19:37.47 | UserError | in 2012 intel found huge increases with arch targets and link time optimization even back then, up to 43% on an intel atom |
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| 19:39.44 | petn-randall | UserError: Read again what I said. And a few percent speed increase doesn't warrant the support nightmare. |
| 19:39.54 | petn-randall | UserError: And gnome3 does indeed still run on those machines. |
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| 19:40.25 | UserError | I would love to see gnome3 meta on a pentium non-mmx with EDO ram |
| 19:40.38 | UserError | and the bloated x11 stack meta |
| 19:40.58 | UserError | in debian, specifically |
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| 19:42.46 | GEDTMOR | can one install steamOS kernel on debian? |
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| 19:43.52 | plasticle | GEDTMOR: I've heard that you can add the steam repo and go ahead |
| 19:44.00 | plasticle | havent tried it myself |
| 19:44.13 | donvito | i dont have any sources here on fresh installed debian 7.0.3 /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:44.19 | donvito | how to add them |
| 19:44.48 | GEDTMOR | what do you mean by sources? |
| 19:45.01 | donvito | i cant install nothing, |
| 19:45.17 | GEDTMOR | thats ood |
| 19:45.33 | donvito | sources.list is empty with cdrom enabled |
| 19:45.50 | fryck | I have EXACTLY the same problem : http://askubuntu.com/questions/266800/configure-apache-to-access-a-symbolic-link-to-samba-mounted-folder-symbolic-lin |
| 19:46.04 | fryck | but no answer to this question ! :/ |
| 19:46.18 | plasticle | donvito: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList?action=show&redirect=sources.list |
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| 19:46.39 | plasticle | you'll probably want to disable the cdrom in sources.list then too |
| 19:46.49 | plasticle | unless you use it |
| 19:46.51 | plasticle | then not |
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| 19:46.53 | joltcan | fryck: A strange solution is to proxy it from apache to something else that can read the symlink/folder |
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| 19:47.21 | GEDTMOR | real men install debian using netisnt iso |
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| 19:47.51 | fryck | joltcan, sorry i sucks in english, can you more explain please ? |
| 19:47.57 | UserError | real men launch multiple wget PIDs to do it in 1/4 the time |
| 19:48.12 | fryck | joltcan, i have nginx as reverse proxy to serv nodejs webapp and apache (on port 8080) |
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| 19:48.25 | donvito | openssh-server is installed by default or i must install? |
| 19:48.27 | plasticle | real men debootstrap their debian |
| 19:48.29 | fryck | but i think that is not the problem |
| 19:48.34 | joltcan | fryck: ok, can nginx read the files? |
| 19:49.02 | joltcan | donvito: depends on what you select when you install your system |
| 19:49.04 | fryck | joltcan, good question, i don't know :) |
| 19:49.16 | joltcan | fryck: try that, and just let nginx serv those files then. |
| 19:49.39 | fryck | joltcan, but i want to use apache :p |
| 19:49.46 | joltcan | fryck: Ok, GLHF |
| 19:49.52 | donvito | i chose to install later |
| 19:50.11 | fryck | joltcan, euh... ok lol |
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| 19:52.29 | GEDTMOR | nginx is the defacto web server |
| 19:53.05 | donvito | apache is better or nginx? |
| 19:53.22 | GEDTMOR | depends on who you ask |
| 19:53.27 | UserError | and what you're going |
| 19:53.28 | UserError | doing* |
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| 19:55.05 | drasko | Hi all, I have problem of missing alx ethernet driver in Debian stable I just installed |
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| 19:55.18 | Arrowmaster | upgrade to backports kernel |
| 19:55.32 | drasko | Arrowmaster, how to do that without networking? |
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| 19:56.31 | GEDTMOR | download the file and use dpkg? |
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| 19:56.37 | Arrowmaster | download it and put it on a usb drive |
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| 19:57.02 | GEDTMOR | or compile from source |
| 19:57.18 | drasko | where I can download it from? |
| 19:57.23 | Arrowmaster | packages.debian.org |
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| 19:57.35 | drasko | GEDTMOR, I can not compile it, I have no build essential... |
| 19:57.37 | drasko | etc |
| 19:57.59 | UserError | sudo apt-get install apt-build |
| 19:58.01 | drasko | Arrowmaster, is this the alx.ko that came with stable CD? |
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| 19:58.12 | drasko | Because I have this one in my system and it does not work |
| 19:58.14 | UserError | or apt-source |
| 19:58.31 | drasko | UserError, khm... I have no networking |
| 19:58.46 | Arrowmaster | no clue but i know my laptop has a card that uses alx and it didnt work for the longest time, so you need a newer kernel |
| 19:58.55 | UserError | do you have internet but no networking? |
| 19:59.05 | UserError | or no internet to connect to on that machine |
| 19:59.08 | drasko | UserError, this is other machine |
| 19:59.19 | UserError | because you could just download the kernel and or driver debs |
| 19:59.23 | UserError | on usb |
| 19:59.26 | drasko | UserError, noe ETH support |
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| 19:59.32 | UserError | what chipset |
| 19:59.38 | drasko | OK, this seems to be solution |
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| 19:59.53 | GEDTMOR | semells a troll |
| 20:00.10 | drasko | Arrowmaster, so I need new kernel package then? |
| 20:00.16 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 20:00.29 | UserError | apt-get download whatever |
| 20:00.38 | UserError | dpkg -i whatever |
| 20:00.38 | dpkg | package whatever is already installed |
| 20:00.41 | drasko | Arrowmaster, since I just installed the system.. I can reinstall all, using testing distro |
| 20:00.49 | drasko | is the installer in testing working? |
| 20:00.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah it works |
| 20:01.03 | drasko | OK, that will be easier |
| 20:01.03 | UserError | wait, the jessie installer works? |
| 20:01.05 | drasko | thanks |
| 20:01.23 | petern_ | normal method seems to be install stable then upgrade to testing |
| 20:01.28 | UserError | ^^^ |
| 20:01.33 | UserError | that's what i did |
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| 20:02.02 | drasko | petern_, yes, but you see that kernel has to be changed |
| 20:02.07 | drasko | in stable |
| 20:02.13 | GEDTMOR | haha fedora has heisenbug but debian has jessie :) |
| 20:02.14 | gnu-man_ | Hi! |
| 20:02.16 | drasko | so it becomes whole headache |
| 20:02.25 | gnu-man_ | Does wajig tool use apt-pinning for holding packages? |
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| 20:02.51 | plasticle | drasko: upgrading debian kernel is not a big deal with apt |
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| 20:03.02 | drasko | plasticle, I do not have networking |
| 20:03.07 | plasticle | oh |
| 20:03.20 | drasko | that's why I am changing the kernel |
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| 20:03.37 | GEDTMOR | i guess hes using telepathy foe ircing |
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| 20:03.57 | babilen | gnu-man_: I would think that it uses one of the mechanisms detailed in <hold>, but I don't use wajig and am not entirely sure. (/msg dpkg hold) |
| 20:04.13 | drasko | with all the fuzz of downloading kernel deb and other dependencies, putting it on USB key, redirecting apt, installing... I thing it is easier to try with jessie installer right away |
| 20:04.20 | drasko | Would this be OK? |
| 20:04.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell drasko about testing installer |
| 20:04.46 | UserError | i would do USB first, personally |
| 20:04.57 | drasko | babilen, Arrowmaster just told that it works |
| 20:05.00 | UserError | i had horrible experiences with the jessie installer a week ago |
| 20:05.04 | babilen | drasko: That being said: Give it a try, we are still working on stable installers with a newer kernel, but AFAIK they are not yet done. |
| 20:05.05 | UserError | but that's just me it could be better now |
| 20:05.54 | drasko | OK, then let me try USB key first. How to fetch kernel package and all dependencies in one go? |
| 20:06.11 | babilen | drasko: It really isn't that easy to say "it works" or "it doesn't work" as it is pretty much a work in progress and success also crucially depends on your particular hardware and setup. I would give it a try if downloading the backports kernel + dependencies is too much work for *and* if you want to track testing anyway though. |
| 20:06.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell drasko -about apt-zip |
| 20:06.45 | petern_ | drasko, is it not something supported by firmware-atheros? |
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| 20:07.50 | quique | i have a broadcom nic that requires the kernel module to be built I have successfully done it on the live cd. when I try to install it doesn't find a driver and ask to load it from removable media, and always fails to find it |
| 20:07.59 | drasko | petern_, no, it is alx driver |
| 20:08.11 | drasko | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/alx |
| 20:08.13 | quique | i have the wl.ko module on my usb drive |
| 20:08.14 | drasko | it is supported |
| 20:08.15 | oskie | how do you get the version of an installed debian packages in a shell script? |
| 20:08.17 | babilen | drasko: But then you probably only need the backports kernel (i.e. http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/linux-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64) + linux-base and initramfs-tools from the same place |
| 20:08.33 | petern_ | there is an alx driver in wheezy |
| 20:08.36 | quique | i can read it from within the live cd |
| 20:08.55 | quique | why would the wheezy installer not be able to find it? |
| 20:08.56 | babilen | drasko: But to start from the beginning. Could you run "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" and tell me the PCIID (alphanumerical identifier at the end, looks like [abcd:1234 |
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| 20:09.00 | drasko | petern_, yes there is - and it does not work |
| 20:09.21 | petern_ | ok |
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| 20:09.37 | drasko | babilen, it is 1969:10A1 - QCA8171 Gigabit Ethernet |
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| 20:09.47 | drasko | Number is 10a1 |
| 20:09.57 | drasko | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/alx |
| 20:10.02 | babilen | quique: "it doesn't find a driver" ? What is "it" in this case? You have to explicitly install the wl driver on Debian as detailed on https://wiki.debian.org/wl#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 -- Are you having problems with that? |
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| 20:10.12 | babilen | judd: pciid 1969:10A1 |
| 20:10.13 | judd | [1969:10a1] is 'QCA8171 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in wheezy but has kernel module 'alx' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:10a1 |
| 20:10.23 | Guest58267 | why my printer is not detected? |
| 20:10.33 | quique | babilen: i'm trying to install debian |
| 20:10.47 | syndrum | Guest58267, Plug it in USB/power? |
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| 20:10.49 | quique | and install the driver during the install |
| 20:10.53 | babilen | quique: Over wireless and using the netinstall image? |
| 20:11.05 | gnu-man_ | babilen: so apt-pinning is again something different? |
| 20:11.25 | babilen | quique: I would be surprised if you can install the wl driver during the install without some magic. Why do you have to do that? |
| 20:11.29 | Guest58267 | syndrum, i already have |
| 20:11.34 | quique | babilen: no i've tried using the normal dvd 1install |
| 20:11.40 | quique | and the live install |
| 20:11.56 | quique | babilen: the install doesn't recognize either of my nics |
| 20:11.57 | syndrum | Guest58267, cups. |
| 20:12.06 | babilen | gnu-man_: Yes, apt-pinning changes the priorities of packages so that, for example, a newer version is *not* considered even though it's version number if greater than the currently installed one. |
| 20:12.13 | drasko | babilen, wat? alx is present on the wheezy CD |
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| 20:12.20 | quique | babilen: i have a newer atheros and a broadcom |
| 20:12.23 | Guest58267 | what cups? |
| 20:12.30 | babilen | quique: What are you NICs? |
| 20:12.34 | syndrum | http://cups.org |
| 20:12.40 | drasko | just that it does not work |
| 20:13.09 | quique | 1969:10a1 and 14e4:43b1 |
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| 20:13.22 | quique | babilen:^ |
| 20:13.28 | babilen | ta |
| 20:13.53 | quique | babilen: also grub is failing to install lol |
| 20:14.01 | babilen | quique: Lovely |
| 20:14.11 | gnu-man_ | babilen: but this sounds like holding a package. |
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| 20:14.44 | gnu-man_ | babilen: I hold a package at a specific version or I set priority of the package so high that package with higher version is used for upgrade |
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| 20:16.23 | babilen | gnu-man_: Yes, the effect might be the same. I *very* rarely have to use pinning and would consider it a red flag normally unless it is done automatically from apt-listbugs |
| 20:16.35 | babilen | quique: One moment please |
| 20:17.30 | fryck | joltcan, i use nginx now, it works fine |
| 20:17.31 | fryck | :) |
| 20:17.32 | babilen | drasko: I'd try the testing installer or downloading the backported kernel image + initramfs-tools and linux-base manually and install that with "dpkg -i /path/to/linux-image*.deb ..." |
| 20:17.36 | rfxchlx | Hallo guys, i would appreciate some help. I can't figure out this by myself. I'm trying to filter out some log files. The problem is that i don't know how to use properly the SetEnvIf (Apache) with two conditions. I've searched in google a lot, but nothing.. |
| 20:17.51 | rfxchlx | Ex1.: calendar.log:1.2.3.4 - me [13/Jan/2014:20:51:26 +0100] "PROPFIND /caldav/ HTTP/1.1" 207 |
| 20:18.02 | rfxchlx | ex2.: 1.2.3.4 - me [12/Jan/2014:22:32:55 +0100] "PUT /caldav/me.ics HTTP/1.1" 201 |
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| 20:18.24 | rfxchlx | my tries: SetEnvIf Request_URI "^/caldav" calendar |
| 20:18.30 | rfxchlx | and: SetEnvIf Request_Method "(OPTIONS|PROPFIND)" dontlog |
| 20:18.47 | drasko | babilen, I want to try downloading backported kernel image. Do you thing that I need only these 3 packages? How can I check dependencies for the package? |
| 20:18.55 | gnu-man_ | babilen: What cases would justify the use of apt pinning? |
| 20:18.56 | drasko | *think |
| 20:18.58 | gnu-man_ | babilen: (being curious) |
| 20:20.05 | babilen | drasko: You'll get dependency problems when you install them - just keep on installing packages and (maybe?) run "dpkg --configure -a" afterwards. (it won't hurt to do so anyway) |
| 20:20.59 | drasko | babilen, do I really need initramfs-tools? Do not I have them already installed with stable system? |
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| 20:22.23 | babilen | gnu-man_: Well, apt-listbugs uses it to hold packages (prevent them from upgrading) until the bugs that caused you to pin it have been resolved. Another legitimate usecase was the setup of backports in such a way that packages are *not* installed from there by default, but updates are. This is no longer necessary as we have NotAutomatic and ButAutomaticUpgrades (cf. apt_preferences(5)) these days. |
| 20:22.35 | babilen | drasko: Let me check the version, one sec |
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| 20:22.55 | drasko | babilen, I checked version, it is old |
| 20:22.58 | drasko | will need new one |
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| 20:23.27 | pseubodot | is there a channel for debian-installer? |
| 20:23.41 | drasko | babilen, but linux-base seems to be present... |
| 20:23.50 | babilen | drasko: Indeed - I would also download the firmware-linux, firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree packages while you are at it. |
| 20:24.20 | drasko | babilen, why - this can be upgraded later when eth is ON, right? |
| 20:24.38 | pseubodot | I'm trying to pxe boot the netboot image (from netboot/netboot.tar.gz) but attempts using either the i386 and amd64 images panic (one can't find init) |
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| 20:24.54 | babilen | drasko: Ah, yeah. linux-base should be fine - it used to be a package that has to be upgraded for kernels from squeeze-backports. Haven't checked the exact dependencies in a while, but those were simply the ones that popped into my mind. |
| 20:25.06 | verodeb | hi ppl i did dpkg --add-architecture i386 and an apt-get update, then did apt-get install postgreql-9.1:i386 and i get the following: postgresql-9.1:i386 : Depends: postgresql-client-9.1:i386 but it is not going to be installed Depends: postgresql-common:i386 (>= 115~) but it is not installable Depends: ssl-cert:i386 but it is not installable |
| 20:25.13 | verodeb | did i miss something? |
| 20:25.17 | babilen | drasko: Yeah, install additional packages as soon as you need them. |
| 20:25.22 | verodeb | im running on wheezy amd64 |
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| 20:26.07 | drasko | babilen, I planned anyway to upgrade to testing as soon as I have ETH |
| 20:26.19 | drasko | which will probably upgrade kernel and all other stuff |
| 20:26.31 | drasko | I am doing this bacport replacement just to enable eth |
| 20:26.43 | drasko | otherwise I'd prefer directly jessie installer |
| 20:26.50 | drasko | but I have bad filling about it ;) |
| 20:26.54 | drasko | *feeling |
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| 20:27.42 | babilen | drasko: Yes, I understood that. And you can *try* the testing installer, it is that nobody is really making sure that it works at this point in the release cycle. That doesn't mean that people break it intentionally, but I guess you get what I mean :) |
| 20:27.46 | Arrowmaster | jessie installer should work fine |
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| 20:28.38 | babilen | drasko: Using a daily or so might even be much easier than the whole manual upgrade+reboot malarky, but I simply cannot promise you that. |
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| 20:29.33 | JasonArgonaut | is there an easy way to use gnome2 with a support release? |
| 20:29.35 | JasonArgonaut | *supported |
| 20:29.51 | babilen | quique, drasko: Okay, I've just checked with some of the kernel maintainers and there is unfortunately no official stable installer with a backported kernel yet. They work on it, but it hasn't been finished and might take a little (1-2 months maybe) |
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| 20:30.12 | babilen | JasonArgonaut: Squeeze is still supported until May, but I wouldn't really recommend installing that. |
| 20:31.30 | somiaj | JasonArgonaut: I'd suggest looking at other laternatives to gnome. mate may make it into jessie, but at this point if you don't like gnome3, debian provides other de/wms that may suit your needs |
| 20:31.31 | quique | babilen: what does that have to do with my issue? are you saying the driver for the broadcom requires an updated kernel? |
| 20:31.36 | babilen | quique: You would essentially have to do what drasko is doing right now (installing a backported kernel), but that also requires you to actually *finish* the installation. My understanding is that the grub installation fails when you try to complete the offline installation from DVD1, is that correct? Are you planning to track wheezy (stable) or another release (e.g. jessie/sid) ? |
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| 20:32.05 | JasonArgonaut | somiaj: ive been using the tails disc solely because its debian with gnome2 and it works better than the official dvd bizarrely |
| 20:32.11 | babilen | quique: The driver for your Ethernet card requires a newer kernel (alx) and there is *no* driver yet for your wireless AFAICT |
| 20:32.47 | quique | babilen: hmmm i can successfully build it on the live cd |
| 20:32.53 | _lex | hi guys, I am trying to crash my Debian 6 box by trying to write an LKM to produce an Oops so I can practice on and learn them to debug, unfortunately I am new to C (K&R -> pointers chapter yet) and altogether in the making of LKM and Makefile, can somebody point me to some good tutorials that work today (tldp ones do not compile as well as other on the net) |
| 20:33.06 | quique | babilen: and connect to my wireless network |
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| 20:33.22 | babilen | quique: You can check it yourself with "/msg judd pciid PCIID" (e.g. "/msg judd pciid 1969:10a1") -- Build what exactly? |
| 20:33.29 | babilen | wl? |
| 20:33.34 | quique | yes |
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| 20:34.27 | stew | _lex: you should probably ask ##kernel instead |
| 20:34.31 | JasonArgonaut | the tails live dvd is based on 6.0.8, when i use the official live 6.0.7 mousekeys does not work, i cant see anything in 6.0.8 changelog about mousekeys so i dont know whats up |
| 20:34.36 | _lex | stew: thanks |
| 20:34.42 | babilen | quique: Oh, in that case our bot is missing information (bad bot!) -- Okay, that leaves you with https://wiki.debian.org/wl#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 once you are done with the initial installation, but that doesn't help much if you cannot complete it. |
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| 20:35.17 | quique | babilen: yeah, well the most import piece is grub at this point, any ideas how what my problem might be? |
| 20:35.32 | babilen | What goes wrong when you try to install it? |
| 20:36.10 | verodeb | hi ppl i did dpkg --add-architecture i386 and an apt-get update, then did apt-get install postgreql-9.1:i386 and i get the following: postgresql-9.1:i386 : Depends: postgresql-client-9.1:i386 but it is not going to be installed Depends: postgresql-common:i386 (>= 115~) but it is not installable Depends: ssl-cert:i386 but it is not installable, did |
| 20:36.11 | verodeb | i miss something? |
| 20:36.13 | quique | babilen: there are two hds in this laptop one is ssd /dev/sdb and one is normal sata /dev/sda, i have tried formating both as mbr and GPT |
| 20:36.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell verodeb -about bat |
| 20:36.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell verodeb -about paste |
| 20:36.46 | quique | babilen: i do the whole install then it says: failed to install grub-pc on target |
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| 20:37.51 | babilen | quique: Could you switch to tty4 (with alt-4) and check for more verbose error messages. You can also try the procedure detailed in "/msg dpkg fixmbr" -- Are you EFI booting it when using GPT? |
| 20:38.34 | babilen | quique: Unfortunately I will have to take a break now :-/ -- All the best, will let you know when I'm back at a reasonable time. |
| 20:38.58 | quique | babilen: does gpt need efi? |
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| 20:39.17 | quique | babilen: have a good one |
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| 20:40.13 | verodeb | http://paste.debian.net/76022/ there is the problem on the package i cant install |
| 20:40.16 | verodeb | please help |
| 20:41.04 | ompaul | ,v postgresql-9.1:i386 |
| 20:41.06 | judd | No package named 'postgresql-9.1:i386' was found in i386. |
| 20:41.09 | ompaul | ,v postgresql |
| 20:41.09 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- squeeze: 8.4.17-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.17-0squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8.4.19-0squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 9.1+134wheezy4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; jessie: 9.3+151; sid: 9.3+152 |
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| 20:42.18 | ompaul | verodeb: cat /etc/apt/sources.list and put that in exactly http://paste.debian.net |
| 20:42.44 | verodeb | http://paste.debian.net/76022/ here at the end i pasted the sources.lit |
| 20:42.46 | verodeb | .list |
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| 20:43.50 | verodeb | ompaul: did u see it? |
| 20:44.03 | verodeb | ompaul: im runnin wheezy amd64 |
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| 20:44.39 | ompaul | verodeb: but it is not what I asked |
| 20:45.05 | verodeb | ok u want a cat /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 20:45.32 | ompaul | verodeb: yes, and if you have any files in sources.list.d they'd be good also (named of course) |
| 20:45.57 | verodeb | ok |
| 20:46.01 | ompaul | !tell verodeb -about bat |
| 20:46.08 | ompaul | that's almost what you asked |
| 20:46.10 | ompaul | sorry |
| 20:46.17 | ompaul | that's almost what you provided but it is more useful |
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| 20:47.16 | UserError | just write your sources.list ahead of time with cat and EOF |
| 20:47.39 | verodeb | http://paste.debian.net/76025/ ok this is my sources.list |
| 20:47.48 | UserError | it also saves your reads by loading a smaller file |
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| 20:50.16 | verodeb | and my apt-cache policy http://paste.debian.net/76026/ |
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| 20:53.05 | ompaul | verodeb: it that was my box I'd start with this, http://paste.debian.net/76028/ apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and see where I was left at that point |
| 20:54.03 | verodeb | ok let me check |
| 20:54.23 | ompaul | verodeb: if you had installed postgresql from it's own apt repo I'd say that is the cause of the specific issue, so I'd be all for backing up data from it and then apt-get remove --purge postgresl from that repo with it enabled, then # it out and go and do that install again from debian repos |
| 20:54.35 | verodeb | ompaul: i just want to install postgresql-9.1:i386 on a wheezy amd64 machine is that so difficult? |
| 20:54.43 | ompaul | its kind of pointless |
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| 20:55.35 | verodeb | i know it seems pointless |
| 20:55.38 | verodeb | but i need it |
| 20:55.49 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.00 | UserError | apt-get download whatever ; dpkg --force-all -i whatever |
| 20:56.08 | ompaul | don't know if that applies to you |
| 20:56.27 | ompaul | but you might prefer to install a i386 virtual machine and then move on from there |
| 20:56.38 | stew | UserError: what? what do you need to force? |
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| 20:56.52 | UserError | for verodeb not me |
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| 20:57.02 | UserError | last time i brought up what i needed to force i was muted |
| 20:57.02 | UserError | so |
| 20:57.10 | UserError | i will refrain from even mentioning it |
| 20:57.18 | tnks | is this channel unified with the one on OFTC? |
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| 20:57.48 | ompaul | verodeb: making this happen might break your box in new and interesting ways, which is never a good thing, unless that is your objective :) |
| 20:58.06 | ompaul | tnks: it's not unified - but a good few people are in both |
| 20:58.10 | stew | verodeb: if he can't tell you why you need to use --force-anything, don't use them |
| 20:58.16 | tnks | ompaul: good to know. |
| 20:58.24 | stew | verodeb: even the documentation for --force says not to use them unless you know exactly what you are doing |
| 20:58.33 | verodeb | i see |
| 20:58.46 | ompaul | verodeb: the db will work with either engine as far as I know |
| 20:58.47 | verodeb | ompaul: suggested to remove and purge |
| 20:58.48 | stew | --force-all seems extreme |
| 20:58.51 | verodeb | i already did that |
| 20:59.01 | verodeb | and still cant install i386 version |
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| 20:59.47 | ompaul | verodeb: there is a bug against that, so frankly unless you are going to fix all the libs yourself in and test them ... it is unlikely anyone here will be able to help you multiarch it |
| 20:59.47 | verodeb | what if i install from squeeze packages? |
| 21:00.10 | ompaul | verodeb: what are you really trying to do / work with? |
| 21:00.31 | tnks | my coworker was curious if there was a recommendation for managing Debian repositories amongst the assortment available. He was thinking of starting with mini-dinstall. |
| 21:00.43 | tnks | and for context, this is a team-internal repository. |
| 21:00.44 | ompaul | verodeb: there is a sign up on the wall, it says "you can't get there from here" - then again if you told us what you actually want we might be able to point you at something |
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| 21:01.10 | tnks | that our continuous integration server would upload packages to. |
| 21:01.20 | ompaul | verodeb: you don't want to "just install pgsql i386" on amd64 you want to do something - |
| 21:01.46 | ompaul | tnks: this sounds like it's not going to end up as the best love affair ever :) |
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| 21:02.16 | tnks | ompaul: I'm all for love affairs. . . what's the problem I'm going to run into? |
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| 21:03.03 | ompaul | tnks: how about one that feeds testing first ... |
| 21:03.13 | Spec | tnks: we use dpkg to build packages, dpkg-sig to sign them, and reprepro with jenkins |
| 21:04.01 | ompaul | tnks: a hard line between testing and production is all I'm appealing for |
| 21:04.19 | tnks | ompaul: we'll definitely have that in the repository structure. |
| 21:04.33 | ompaul | tnks: knock yourself out :) |
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| 21:04.53 | tnks | Spec: okay, thanks for the recommendation for reprepro. . . I'll put it into the mix of tools to evaluate. |
| 21:05.02 | Spec | and yeah, we go automatic builds to a testing type repository, and manual intervention required (to sign) packages destined for production |
| 21:05.13 | tnks | Spec: makes sense. |
| 21:05.17 | Spec | arguably your gpg keys for signing prod packages shouldn't be online |
| 21:05.30 | ompaul | or the other way around :) |
| 21:05.44 | Spec | your prod packages shouldn't be online? :p |
| 21:05.46 | ph88_ | how can i search for packages by name ? |
| 21:05.52 | Spec | ph88_: apt-cache search <package> ? |
| 21:05.56 | syndrum | Guest58267, Did you get it to work? |
| 21:05.56 | ompaul | Spec: not if they are for internal :) |
| 21:06.01 | Spec | ompaul: oh, righ t:p |
| 21:06.12 | ompaul | puts down his pedants hat |
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| 21:06.19 | stew | ph88_: if you want to limit matches to name only: aptitude search '~n<searchterm>' |
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| 21:06.23 | Spec | ompaul: well, still, 'internal packages' are used for 'online servers' :p |
| 21:06.32 | Spec | ompaul: whereas your gpg keys should be on something not-attached-to-a-network |
| 21:06.37 | stew | ph88_: if matches by description are also ok, you can use apt-cache search or packages.debian.org |
| 21:07.11 | syndrum | Guest58267, Calibrate first before you actually print. |
| 21:07.13 | ph88_ | thx guys |
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| 21:08.00 | ph88_ | Spec: search is invalid |
| 21:08.16 | ph88_ | oh sorry i tried apt-get :/ |
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| 21:14.52 | jpiasetzki | Is there any way to diff locally installed files with the ones that would be installed from a .deb |
| 21:16.02 | stew | jpiasetzki: do you need an actual diff or just a yes/no if they are different at all? |
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| 21:16.11 | jpiasetzki | stew: a yes no would be okay |
| 21:16.19 | stew | jpiasetzki: see the debsums package |
| 21:16.44 | stew | jpiasetzki: if they are config files, it might be easier to get an actual diff, but only maybe and with no standardized way |
| 21:17.48 | jpiasetzki | stew: I get "debsums: no md5sums for PACKAGENAME" |
| 21:18.24 | stew | jpiasetzki: what is the package name? is it a package from debian? |
| 21:18.56 | jpiasetzki | stew: no, it's a random internal package |
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| 21:22.21 | ph88_ | how can i get a newer version of this package? http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libc6 |
| 21:22.34 | ph88_ | 2.14 |
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| 21:27.00 | centrx | ph88_, You need 2.14? |
| 21:27.05 | centrx | For something |
| 21:27.09 | ph88_ | yes |
| 21:27.18 | ph88_ | Error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by /var/node/blog/ghost/node_modules/sqlite3/lib/binding/Release/node-v11-linux-x64/node_sqlite3.node) |
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| 21:28.54 | jordanm | ph88_: you are probably better off trying to recompile that sqlite3 binding |
| 21:29.21 | ph88_ | i'm not the upstream developer .. |
| 21:29.27 | ph88_ | all i did was npm install :/ |
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| 21:29.47 | buu | ph88_: And it didn't compile its sqlite3 bindings?! |
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| 21:29.58 | ph88_ | no |
| 21:30.00 | buu | Oh node. |
| 21:30.04 | ph88_ | needs newer version ... dont know why |
| 21:30.21 | buu | ph88_: In short, you can't. You need to fix that node thing. |
| 21:30.43 | ph88_ | well i found this now ... http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/85505/need-to-install-glibc-2-14-on-wheezy but dont know if that's a good idea |
| 21:30.48 | buu | Its not |
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| 21:33.32 | centrx | ph88_, You could use the version of nodejs in wheezy-backports |
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| 21:34.02 | ph88_ | centrx: you think it's due to nodejs itself ? i though it was the sqlite3 package causing it |
| 21:34.18 | centrx | Oh I see |
| 21:34.28 | ph88_ | i think i build node.js from source |
| 21:34.56 | ph88_ | wget -N http://nodejs.org/dist/node-latest.tar.gz |
| 21:34.59 | jhutchins | !glibc |
| 21:35.00 | dpkg | The GNU C Library (glibc) also known as libc6 in the Linux universe. glibc is the most fundamental piece of software on your machine, basically every piece of software you have installed other than your kernel depends on it, so upgrading it is essentially upgrading your entire system/debian release/version. http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/ . See also <eglibc>. |
| 21:35.00 | centrx | Can you build node-sqlite3 with npm building it from source? |
| 21:35.00 | ph88_ | tar xzvf node-latest.tar.gz && cd node-v* |
| 21:35.04 | ph88_ | ./configure |
| 21:35.14 | ph88_ | checkinstall |
| 21:35.14 | ph88_ | dpkg -i node_* |
| 21:35.14 | dpkg | package node_* is already installed |
| 21:35.16 | centrx | Yes, we figure that is how you built it |
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| 21:35.27 | ph88_ | ok just making sure ^^ |
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| 21:36.11 | centrx | ph88_, It looks like npm has a "build" command. Does this build from source? If you build node-sqlite3 from source, it should compile for the version of libc6 on your machine |
| 21:36.14 | ph88_ | maybe i can make an issue here https://github.com/mapbox/node-sqlite3 |
| 21:36.29 | ph88_ | but i cloned the source ... and i can not find a specific dependecy to the 2.14 version |
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| 21:36.54 | julianoliver | for dwso many years installing xserver-xorg-core and xorg have pulled in a long list of legacy hardware, or just hardware not related to the graphics on the host, like support for s3, mga, cirrus, mach64. any way to avoid this when installing an X server? |
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| 21:37.22 | centrx | What's dwso? |
| 21:37.47 | julianoliver | centrx: it's 'so' with two preceding letters that weren't supposed to be there. |
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| 21:38.04 | julianoliver | (vim, dw == delete word. bad habit) |
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| 21:38.15 | centrx | Okay |
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| 21:38.32 | centrx | julianoliver, You don't need to install the metapackage xorg. You can install xserver-xorg-core itself |
| 21:38.49 | centrx | julianoliver, You might need to install some other things too, but that is the gist of it |
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| 21:39.52 | julianoliver | yes, i realise. it'd be great if there was a manual selection (--configure) option, using ncurses or similar. |
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| 21:47.13 | julianoliver | centrx: for example, i need 'xinit' (fairly core) which provides 'startx'. this pulls in about 35 packages that bear no relation to my hardware. |
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| 21:49.16 | centrx | julianoliver, What package manager are you using? |
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| 21:49.34 | centrx | julianoliver, You may want to set it to not automatically install Recommended packages |
| 21:49.40 | centrx | julianoliver, Only install Depends packages |
| 21:50.52 | centrx | julianoliver, Another possibility is that a package is by default installing xserver-xorg-video-all, which is the metapackage that installs all video driver packages |
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| 21:51.28 | centrx | julianoliver, Yet the dependency itself only requires one of them to be installed, but the package manager does not know which one, so it installs the metapackage for all of them |
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| 21:51.58 | julianoliver | centrx: yes, this is the offending meta-package. my only real point is that it'd be nice during 'expert' installation to be able to manually pull in only the x components desired, akin to choosing locales. |
| 21:52.11 | centrx | julianoliver, So you can either uninstall the ones you do not need afterwards, or finagle it so that the one you do need is already installed |
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| 21:52.51 | centrx | julianoliver, http://bugs.debian.org/debian-installer wishlist :) |
| 21:53.00 | julianoliver | centrx: i've already removed the undesired packages, no problem. |
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| 21:53.26 | julianoliver | yes, i think this is one for the wishlist, now that i've ascertained this feature doesn't exist already. |
| 21:54.26 | julianoliver | centrx: my 13th year on Debian. just checking in if there was something akin to localepurge or deborphan for X components ;) |
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| 21:54.39 | UserError | AHAHHAAH julian |
| 21:54.44 | UserError | i'm attempting just that |
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| 21:54.55 | UserError | don't ask here though, you'll be muted or banned |
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| 21:55.12 | julianoliver | i see. |
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| 21:55.30 | centrx | -an flags on deborphan might be useful |
| 21:55.32 | UserError | So far I figured out you have to apt-get download xserver-xorg for the usr bin X and then install the rest as normal per package (drivers, evdev, mouse, kb, etc) |
| 21:55.45 | julianoliver | centrx: yes, good point. |
| 21:56.00 | centrx | but I guess you already knew that :) |
| 21:56.15 | julianoliver | indeedy ;) |
| 21:56.41 | centrx | It is hard to get banned in here. It took a long time for a spammer to be banned in here last night... |
| 21:57.19 | julianoliver | well, indeed one for the wishlist: ascertain/fingerprint hardware (lspci, lsusb) during 'expert' install and present user with lovely ncurses interface (dselect style) to proof, edit and hit 'go'. |
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| 21:57.45 | somiaj | centrx: depends on if the ops see it or not, they are usually very good at dealing with that and noise. !ops <reason> is a bot message to aleart them. |
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| 21:58.08 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 21:58.15 | Azrael_- | how can i secure a nagios-nrpe-server? where can i define the machines being allowed to connect to it? |
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| 22:00.20 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I specify what zone files to transfer for what view to subs? When I try to do a transfer to a sub, I get the zone files for the internal view, and not the the external view populated for BOTH view files. |
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| 22:01.16 | Chex | Azrael_-: you could use IP-Tables as one way to lock down access to it. |
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| 22:03.22 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: It depends on how you've structured your config files. Read the nagios documentation, it's in the same section where you tell it what address/port to listen on. |
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| 22:03.25 | Azrael_- | Chex: just found hosts.allow. also ok? |
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| 22:03.50 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: I'd use the nagios files rather than the system-wide files. Not all sybsystems look at them. |
| 22:04.06 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: Technically /etc/hosts.allow is for rsh. |
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| 22:04.52 | bezoka | hello, how can I change my default manager window? when I write "startx" gnome running, but I want dwm |
| 22:04.53 | bezoka | :D |
| 22:05.13 | medes | why do i randoly get "You have mail" when i close a program such as vim.. and why is it that even though i read it, it keeps sending that? is that normal |
| 22:05.18 | medes | and i don't seem to get any *new* mail |
| 22:05.26 | medes | all the mail in my spool/user etc is from last year |
| 22:05.27 | jordanm | bezoka: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager to change for all users |
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| 22:05.57 | Azrael_- | jhulst: thanks. i'm using the standard config-files provided by the debian-package. can't find an according documentation on how to further secure it on application level without using iptables. any hints? |
| 22:06.34 | bezoka | jordanm: but there isnt dwm :D |
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| 22:07.07 | jordanm | bezoka: then use .xinitrc |
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| 22:07.34 | bezoka | bash: .xinitrc: command not found: jordanm |
| 22:08.01 | julianoliver | bezoka: apt-get install xinit and edit ~/.xinitrc to look something like http://pastebin.com/daY87PDk |
| 22:08.16 | jordanm | bezoka: see: man xinit |
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| 22:11.36 | bezoka | okay, thanks, reboot ;) |
| 22:12.30 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: I am very suspicious that you have NOT read the docs, it's pretty clear EXACTLY what to set. |
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| 22:13.18 | a | thanks jordanm it works ;) |
| 22:13.18 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: Also explicitly documented in the config file comments. |
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| 22:13.56 | jordanm | bezoka: np |
| 22:14.21 | bezoka | jordanm: and btw I have clock in dwm, dont know how and from :D |
| 22:14.30 | Azrael_- | jhutchins: sorry, overlooked the line allowed_hosts |
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| 22:15.21 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: Bingo. Thanks for making the effort. |
| 22:15.31 | Azrael_- | thanks for the hints |
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| 22:15.48 | Azrael_- | it's been quite some time since the last server i set up |
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| 22:16.19 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: I know how that goes. Got a couple of old boxes that are still running Lenny that I'm dreading upgrading. |
| 22:16.44 | Azrael_- | if it was just lenny, i upgraded the box from suse 10 to debian 7 :) |
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| 22:20.16 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: Fun! |
| 22:20.26 | Azrael_- | oh yeah |
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| 22:44.52 | Mohsen_Hassani | Hello guys. I've been given two wav files to combine them. I want to know what package/software I have to use. By combining, I mean to play the two songs together, I think it's called overlap!? |
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| 22:45.46 | Mohsen_Hassani | I want the two audio files to play at same time, two different sounds at same time. |
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| 22:47.32 | DLange | Mohsen_Hassani: it's probably called mixing. Look at audacity for anything you can do with audio files. |
| 22:47.55 | wols_ | !dmix |
| 22:47.55 | dpkg | dmix is an <ALSA> subsystem allowing an audio device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously, without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix for more information. A sample asound.conf is at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
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| 22:48.45 | UserError | is dmix more efficient than pulseaudio? |
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| 22:49.13 | wols_ | different layer |
| 22:49.41 | UserError | ah |
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| 22:52.14 | UserError | wols_ , do they make a pulseaudio compatible dmix wrapper for resource savings and feature duplication? |
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| 22:52.41 | UserError | like busybox to gnu tools if you will |
| 22:52.44 | jhutchins | mosh: avidemux |
| 22:52.46 | wols_ | I have no clue. dmix is something that can either use hardware mixing or software mixing depending on hardware and is part of the alsa drivers |
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| 22:53.03 | jhutchins | mosh: Or, yeah, audacity, avidemux is video. |
| 22:53.21 | jhutchins | mosh: Bad nic, sorry, |
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| 23:14.14 | hrexen | Hello, I have debian 7.2 with gnome shell 3.4.2. How can I upgrade to gnome 3.10. I haven't found anything instructive in the internet. Thanks in advance. |
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| 23:18.41 | Chriswaterguy | Is there good speech recognition software for Debian, or any other distro? |
| 23:19.01 | wols_ | IBM ViaVoice... |
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| 23:19.34 | Beluki | ¿Does that still exist? |
| 23:19.51 | laigualdad | i was installing debian on a friends laptop and the install went smoothly, though it went into gnome fallback mode. so i used synaptic to install firmware. then i rebooted and all i see is a black screen. |
| 23:20.06 | laigualdad | i am a little freaked out... |
| 23:20.34 | laigualdad | there is no terminal, because i typed into it and it pretty much spits out text - nothing happens if i type a command. |
| 23:20.45 | laigualdad | if that makes any sense. |
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| 23:22.55 | Chriswaterguy | wols_: Do you use Viavoice? |
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| 23:23.21 | Chriswaterguy | "IBM sold ViaVoice in 2003 and all distribution functions passed to ScanSoft." If it hasn't been updated since 2003 it won't be good. |
| 23:23.42 | UserError | rofl |
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| 23:23.46 | GEDTMOR | chrome |
| 23:24.32 | GEDTMOR | if you dont mind sharing your voice with them and god nows who else |
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| 23:25.14 | Chriswaterguy | chrome, sure, but that's not great speech recognition |
| 23:25.26 | GEDTMOR | i recon we are back to the dark days of the mainframes |
| 23:25.39 | Chriswaterguy | Ah well, thanks anyhow. |
| 23:25.47 | MrFrood | laigualdad: can do ctrl+alt+F1 to get console up? |
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| 23:26.09 | GEDTMOR | not great speech recognition? |
| 23:26.47 | GEDTMOR | i dont know what you maen |
| 23:26.48 | Chriswaterguy | not when I tried |
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| 23:27.37 | Chriswaterguy | anyhow, not what I need. thanks - time for breakfast here |
| 23:27.39 | GEDTMOR | ask siri about google voice. |
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| 23:29.00 | GEDTMOR | im still looking for a irc plugin that uses speach recognition |
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| 23:29.31 | laigualdad | MrFrood - will try that but i just now shut it down, then booted again to see what would happen - now i got Grub bootloader going, init did its magic... now im in a black screen and i have an error message that says: 23.916786 phy0 -> rt2800pci_mcu_status. Error - MCU request failed. no response from hardware. ... I know I think the problem is that I picked the wrong firmware. It came from the Debian repos so the question would be just purg |
| 23:29.32 | laigualdad | ing it i suppose. i should have written down which packages i installed. :( |
| 23:29.44 | GEDTMOR | thats why the nsa guys never misspell anything on irc |
| 23:30.22 | GEDTMOR | hey just let speatch recongnition write it for them |
| 23:31.10 | laigualdad | MrFrood - yay, got to the console with your shortcut, thanks |
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| 23:32.57 | MrFrood | laigualdad: same but with F7 to get back to the GUI - I actually thought that xorg might of been guessing too high a resolution for your screen |
| 23:32.59 | laigualdad | now it is just a matter of getting rid of what i installed... |
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| 23:33.38 | GEDTMOR | wellcome to the darkages |
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| 23:34.25 | laigualdad | MrFrood I guess we could try that, but I was a little unwise, probably shouldnt have installed everything with "Radeon" in the description. :S |
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| 23:35.43 | MrFrood | eek! |
| 23:35.57 | laigualdad | @.@ |
| 23:36.30 | GEDTMOR | im using win8.1 prev so after the 15 i cant logout ever again |
| 23:36.42 | vitta | Hmm |
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| 23:37.14 | laigualdad | is there any way i can look back and see the package names - actually i know. perhaps i can search for the packages with the same keywords and just uninstall whatever search results i get. o.o |
| 23:37.43 | laigualdad | i dont know of a smarter way |
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| 23:38.00 | MrFrood | laigualdad: take a lookxorg's log file before you do anything else |
| 23:38.09 | GEDTMOR | just install the proper driver |
| 23:38.21 | laigualdad | MrFrood ok. |
| 23:38.43 | GEDTMOR | i mean the official |
| 23:40.47 | GEDTMOR | here at my school i always threten the kids that miss behave that i will take away their win os and put linux instead it works better that any other form of punishment |
| 23:40.48 | laigualdad | GEDTMOR - do i not need to uninstall the others? so just get the official driver.. should i use wget? i could look for the url on this computer and then type it into the other one... MrFrood just finding out the pathname to look for the log file now. |
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| 23:41.12 | laigualdad | o.O |
| 23:42.14 | laigualdad | ok found it |
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| 23:43.25 | laigualdad | there is a lot in the log. what should i share? |
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| 23:43.51 | GEDTMOR | use pastbin |
| 23:44.35 | laigualdad | GEDTMOR i dont think i can use pastebin from that computer. unless you know of a super cool way to do it through the console. |
| 23:45.20 | GEDTMOR | i know a super coll way but im not telling you |
| 23:45.29 | laigualdad | GEDTMOR :< |
| 23:45.33 | laigualdad | foine |
| 23:45.44 | MrFrood | !pastebinit |
| 23:45.44 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 23:45.56 | Spec | alterantively, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4013947/how-to-use-pastebin-from-shell-script |
| 23:46.08 | laigualdad | neat! |
| 23:46.42 | GEDTMOR | besides super cool kids only use the tty |
| 23:47.12 | laigualdad | xD |
| 23:47.20 | MrFrood | s/cool/kewl/ :P |
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| 23:47.22 | laigualdad | one min im gonna get pastebinit |
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| 23:51.26 | abrotman | GEDTMOR: do you need help? |
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| 23:53.03 | GEDTMOR | I have installed netinst Debian 7.3 amd64. I need a way to check if my LAN card on my motherboard is detected or not. That is basically is Debian recognizing my network hardware ? |
| 23:53.13 | abrotman | dmesg | grep eth |
| 23:53.23 | abrotman | or lspci -k |
| 23:53.34 | GEDTMOR | lspci | grep Ethernet? |
| 23:54.31 | GEDTMOR | thank a bunch |
| 23:54.44 | GEDTMOR | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:57.58 | laigualdad | bah the output is paste.debian.net.. but that is the main site i assume. i guess i have to specify a the url. try this: http://paste.debian.net/l714ki22118 |
| 23:58.46 | themill | laigualdad: there are no recent public pastes on paste.d.n |
| 23:58.51 | laigualdad | not found. |
| 23:59.02 | laigualdad | ok i will just try the regular pastebin |
| 23:59.18 | GEDTMOR | The requested URL /l714ki22118 was not found on this server. |
| 23:59.43 | themill | laigualdad: "regular pastebin"? If you mean pastebin.com, then please don't. Please use paste.debian.net |
