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| 00:01.20 | GEDTMOR | i dont get why its named pastebin since you can only paste text files |
| 00:01.20 | laigualdad | sorry themill. im not sure why i cant get it on paste.debian.net, but here is http://pastebin.com/tAUV7CVe - it worked at least. |
| 00:01.56 | abrotman | GEDTMOR: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 00:02.56 | laigualdad | GEDTMOR you are going a little off topic. try #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:06.00 | GEDTMOR | how do i get temp reading from my grafics card cpu hhd and so on? |
| 00:06.11 | MrFrood | laigualdad: what is the actual graphic card on computer? |
| 00:06.12 | GEDTMOR | and fans rpms |
| 00:06.55 | petn-randall | GEDTMOR: smartmontools does it for the HDD, lm-sensors for other sensors, for the GPU it strongly depends on the make and model. |
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| 00:07.15 | GEDTMOR | amd64 |
| 00:07.15 | petn-randall | (some GPUs you can't read it out yet) |
| 00:07.24 | abrotman | amd64 is not a GPU |
| 00:07.43 | petn-randall | amd64 is a CPU architecture ... |
| 00:07.44 | GEDTMOR | ok i messed read |
| 00:07.53 | laigualdad | MrFrood according to what gnome told me (and Windows was not able to tell me, so this is just from gnome) my friend has a AMD A8-3500M APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics x 4 processor with VESA:SUMO graphics. |
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| 00:07.55 | abrotman | !pt |
| 00:07.55 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 00:08.12 | abrotman | laigualdad: I'd imagine that needs FGLRX |
| 00:08.43 | laigualdad | abrotman ah i see. yes i came across that in my googling... is that all i need to install? |
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| 00:09.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell laigualdad about fglrx |
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| 00:11.02 | laigualdad | thanks abrotman :) |
| 00:11.29 | GEDTMOR | hes the man |
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| 00:13.54 | laigualdad | abrotman - does the AMD A8-3500M part mean that i have Radeon HD 3000, and therefore need legacy version? |
| 00:13.57 | GEDTMOR | im the sole user at debian-pt |
| 00:14.04 | abrotman | GEDTMOR: irc.oftc.net |
| 00:14.13 | abrotman | laigualdad: I don't believe so. |
| 00:14.17 | UserError | nope |
| 00:14.18 | UserError | it has the um |
| 00:14.23 | UserError | 6750 or something |
| 00:14.24 | UserError | 6570 |
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| 00:14.38 | laigualdad | UserError ah ok |
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| 00:23.02 | laigualdad | library is closing. i will be back later. thanks for the help so far |
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| 00:38.11 | messa4 | how many packages are avalibl for latest stable debian? |
| 00:39.29 | themill | about 40k |
| 00:40.45 | themill | oh stable... 36k |
| 00:40.45 | messa4 | i need precise number if possible. |
| 00:41.07 | themill | well you'd have to define which architecture you were talking about |
| 00:41.08 | messa4 | and command how to obtain it. heh (no debian here to check on my ow) |
| 00:41.19 | messa4 | x86 |
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| 00:41.24 | messa4 | linux |
| 00:41.34 | themill | i386 or amd64? and are you meaning binary packages or source packages? |
| 00:42.06 | themill | including contrib and non-free? |
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| 00:43.09 | messa4 | give me numbers for both binary and source packges. all official reposiotories |
| 00:43.15 | messa4 | no third party one |
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| 00:44.21 | abrotman | you didn't answer his questions ... |
| 00:44.43 | themill | well, I don't want to know the answers.... :) |
| 00:44.46 | messa4 | i did. which one i didnt answer? |
| 00:44.48 | abrotman | stops trying to use dstats |
| 00:45.02 | abrotman | messa4: "i386 or amd64" for starters |
| 00:45.16 | themill | messa4: "wget -q http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz -O- | zgrep -c ^Package" You can adapt that to look at non-free or contrib and source/Sources.gz yourself. |
| 00:45.29 | messa4 | i cant do it |
| 00:45.33 | messa4 | dont have tools for it |
| 00:45.42 | themill | messa4: why not? |
| 00:45.49 | messa4 | i told you x86. it means x86 intel 32 bit |
| 00:46.01 | abrotman | you don't have the tools? |
| 00:46.22 | messa4 | i dont run debian. i just need number of packages for my article |
| 00:46.44 | abrotman | so themill gave you a rough guess. |
| 00:46.44 | themill | messa4: I've just given you a way of finding this out yourself |
| 00:47.04 | abrotman | isn't sure one would need Debian or even Linux to run that command. |
| 00:47.21 | themill | quite |
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| 01:01.56 | phone | hi, i'm trying to get a scanner working |
| 01:02.10 | phone | sane-find-scanner finds the scanner correctly |
| 01:02.16 | phone | scanimage -L reports a webcam |
| 01:02.22 | phone | i'm using a laptop that does have a webcam |
| 01:02.29 | phone | how do i get scanimage/sane to find the scanner? |
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| 01:03.20 | phone | if it matters a '/dev/scanner' device is not being created |
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| 01:15.32 | ChibaPet | phone: If memory serves, the scanimage interface will give you a list of found scanners to choose. |
| 01:15.57 | phone | ChibaPet: yeah, other documentation showed that as well, it only showed me the webcam though |
| 01:15.59 | ChibaPet | I'm not at the machine with the scanner attached to confirm the interface, but I remember the initial screen having such a list. |
| 01:16.04 | phone | it's moot now, i guess, i'm trying it on a different system |
| 01:16.10 | phone | thank you though |
| 01:16.44 | ChibaPet | phone: Hm, odd that it doesn't find it. |
| 01:17.27 | phone | very |
| 01:17.44 | phone | i'm going to try the scanner with another linux machine and attempt a server setup instead |
| 01:18.33 | ChibaPet | On my system it defaulted to choosing the webcam, but it certainly gave me multiple options. My only suggestion is to unplug the device, then replug it, watching dmesg, and then re-run scanimage after you see that the device has been found. |
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| 01:24.08 | phone | interesting. |
| 01:24.14 | GEDTMOR | verrry |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | GEDTMOR: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 01:24.25 | phone | on a totally different debian system, also running stable, scanimage -L simply returns 'segmentation fault' |
| 01:24.39 | phone | sane-find-scanner still works normally |
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| 01:24.49 | phone | still no /dev/scanner |
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| 01:25.19 | zinx | never seen a /dev/scanner myself, what OS creates that? |
| 01:25.29 | phone | debian? |
| 01:25.35 | phone | that's at least what some tutorials have said. |
| 01:26.37 | phone | this seems to imply there's something wrong with the canon libraries: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1887 |
| 01:26.43 | phone | which is lovely, as i'm using a canon scanner |
| 01:26.48 | gnu-man | Found out something strange: During compilation, when I drag the scroll bar of my SSH client (putty), the console output is frozen _and_ the compilation process pauses, also harddrive activity seizes, when I release it, the process continues |
| 01:26.54 | phone | i fucking hate printers. |
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| 01:27.08 | gnu-man | Just an illusion? |
| 01:27.35 | GEDTMOR | afirmative |
| 01:27.40 | Coburn | Quick question - ClamAV in Debian 7.3 is saying it's outdated. Current packaged version: 0.97.x, upstream: 0.98 |
| 01:28.06 | Coburn | Does anyone know how to update it to 0.98? |
| 01:28.14 | GEDTMOR | linux doesent need anti virus |
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| 01:28.45 | Coburn | This is a production server |
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| 01:29.13 | Coburn | It contains client data (it's a server that hosts websites of clients), and I must make sure my system is clean |
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| 01:29.21 | themill | Coburn: clamav tends to throw this sort of noise on a regular basis. The newer version isn't even packaged for debian yet. |
| 01:29.35 | abrotman | GEDTMOR: Please take a break and try to be less noisy in the future. |
| 01:29.57 | rfree | GEDTMOR did written just 3 lines above, right? |
| 01:30.04 | phone | rfree: that's what i saw too? |
| 01:30.06 | themill | Coburn: I'm not sure about this specific case, but in the past, the debian stable (or stable-updates) packages are sufficient to keep you going, along with something like freshclam to keep up to date with whatever signatures you might like |
| 01:30.25 | themill | phone, rfree: no. This is a pattern for some hours. |
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| 01:30.37 | phone | themill: ah, well, thank you for keeping the channel moderated |
| 01:30.42 | abrotman | Coburn: is it saying your clamav is out of date or your pattersn are out of date? |
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| 01:30.53 | gnu-man | test |
| 01:31.06 | rfree | prefers when people simply use /ignore if they need |
| 01:31.31 | abrotman | feel free |
| 01:31.40 | themill | rfree: 1400 people need not use ignore when one op can solve a problem. |
| 01:31.41 | abrotman | Coburn: do you have the clamav-freshclam installed? |
| 01:31.50 | Coburn | yeah |
| 01:31.58 | Coburn | hang on, I'll get the exact words |
| 01:32.00 | gnu-man | Ah, this is the reason why so few answer to me :) |
| 01:32.01 | zinx | abrotman: clamav likely |
| 01:32.02 | gnu-man | Ignored hero |
| 01:32.23 | zinx | abrotman: generally it won't complain about the patterns /and/ give a current version |
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| 01:32.49 | abrotman | zinx: Right, just trying to make sure. Wasn't sure where those version numbers came from |
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| 01:33.57 | phone | i'm still trying to figure out why scanimage is segfaulting |
| 01:34.01 | Coburn | WARNING: Your ClamAV installation is OUTDATED! WARNING: Local version: 0.97.8 Recommended version: 0.98 |
| 01:34.09 | Coburn | abrotman ^ |
| 01:34.14 | zinx | Coburn: you can ignore it tbqh |
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| 01:34.44 | Coburn | well, cron emails me about it every day |
| 01:35.00 | Coburn | by email, drops it in my mailbox (inbox when you run 'mail' |
| 01:35.09 | Coburn | so meh |
| 01:35.38 | zinx | redirect the output in the /etc/cron.daily/ file for it :P |
| 01:35.55 | excalibr | People, I just accidentally rm -r /var but luckily managed to ^C it before more damages were done. Is there way to find out all packages which files got deleted in the location? |
| 01:36.06 | zinx | unless it's in wheezy-backports or so, i don't really thing i'd switch packages :/ |
| 01:36.13 | themill | gnu-man: I don't believe that's an illusion. Once the process's output buffer is full and data can't be written to the TTY any more, the process will block on the write. (same as pressing ^S) |
| 01:36.15 | zinx | erh, think |
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| 01:37.02 | gnu-man | themill: so it is better to put those tasks into screen, then they would run independently from the terminal? |
| 01:37.12 | themill | gnu-man: that scrolling is the same as a tty STOP is a bit odd but I vaguely recall seeing that with putty before. |
| 01:37.20 | themill | gnu-man: yeah, or use a different terminal emulator |
| 01:37.29 | themill | it's not like there aren't plenty |
| 01:39.13 | phone | so i unplugged the scanner, |
| 01:39.19 | phone | and scanimage is still segmentation faulting |
| 01:39.32 | phone | i have no idea what the hell is causing this, and i guess it's a problem with the program now? |
| 01:39.34 | gnu-man | What do you say to this? I try to re-build squid3 from debian wheezy with ssl enabled and there is a compilation error. Now I find out, they simply dropped that bug because 'it will be fixed in jessie (next release)'. |
| 01:39.34 | gnu-man | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=701426 |
| 01:39.47 | gnu-man | I want to use the stable source package. Not a testing one. |
| 01:40.15 | phone | gnu-man: that's unfortunate, ssl is a pretty fundamental feature |
| 01:40.50 | gnu-man | phone: yes |
| 01:40.56 | themill | gnu-man: squid3 in wheezy builds with libc6 in wheezy. There's no bug in wheezy to fix. |
| 01:41.08 | gnu-man | themill: so my libc6 is broken? |
| 01:41.24 | themill | gnu-man: what's the output of "apt-cache policy libc6; apt-cache policy"? |
| 01:42.15 | gnu-man | libc6: |
| 01:42.16 | gnu-man | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.24 | gnu-man | there comes much more |
| 01:42.29 | themill | please use a pastebin |
| 01:42.30 | gnu-man | should I nopaste it, too? |
| 01:43.22 | gnu-man | themill: http://pastebin.com/R96tM8Hz |
| 01:44.07 | themill | gnu-man: yeah, so at some stage you had jessie or sid in your sources.list and you have some packages installed from there. That's not a great look. |
| 01:44.11 | themill | dpkg: tell gnu-man about not available |
| 01:44.24 | themill | gnu-man: perhaps you could pastebin that too |
| 01:44.37 | gnu-man | themill: oh |
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| 01:45.45 | gnu-man | themill: http://pastebin.com/naP8ijKb |
| 01:45.50 | phone | interesting, libusb-dev wasn't installed |
| 01:46.01 | phone | i'm installing it now and re-installing sane |
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| 01:46.32 | gnu-man | themill: how could that happen? And how can I avoid this for the future? Using some chroot system like cowbuilder? Is that recommended for simply rebuilding packages with some debian/rules added? |
| 01:46.49 | themill | gnu-man: so you should be able to convince apt to downgrade those packages without issues although your locally compiled packages may cause you problems there (xide1). |
| 01:47.12 | gnu-man | themill: xidel ? |
| 01:47.27 | gnu-man | themill: So I simply autoremove those packages and reinstall them normally using apt? |
| 01:47.55 | themill | gnu-man: you should never put a deb line for sid in your sources.list if you're running stable. Yes, you can rebuild packages in a chroot but the chroot still needs to be a wheezy-only chroot and not a wheezy+sid chroot or you will end up with packages that aren't isntallable |
| 01:48.32 | themill | gnu-man: no, you can't just uninstall libc6. You'll need to spent some quality time with aptitude and/or apt-cache policy to convince it to downgrade the packages. |
| 01:48.37 | themill | dpkg: tell gnu-man about partial downgrade |
| 01:48.38 | gnu-man | themill: but there could be a sid chroot on a wheezy chroot? |
| 01:49.00 | themill | ? |
| 01:49.08 | Coburn | uh |
| 01:49.13 | Coburn | chroot inside a chroot |
| 01:49.20 | Coburn | so host -> chroot -> chroot ? |
| 01:49.27 | gnu-man | themill: but there could be a sid chroot on a wheezy chroot? |
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| 01:49.37 | gnu-man | themill: (to build working debian packages) |
| 01:49.39 | themill | gnu-man: I don't know what you mean by that |
| 01:49.59 | gnu-man | themill: <cite>Yes, you can rebuild packages in a chroot but the chroot still needs to be a wheezy-only chroot and not a wheezy+sid chroot or you will end up with packages that aren't isntallable</cite> |
| 01:50.07 | themill | gnu-man: if you want to build packages that are installable on wheezy, then you build them either on a wheezy host or a wheezy chroot. |
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| 01:50.17 | gnu-man | themill: ah! |
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| 01:50.23 | themill | gnu-man: you need to not have sid in the sources.list of the chroot either |
| 01:50.25 | Coburn | crazy... |
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| 01:50.38 | gnu-man | themill: so mixing from two different releases is always a bad idea then? |
| 01:50.45 | abrotman | ... |
| 01:51.17 | themill | gnu-man: well you're going to pick up dependencies from the later release and then you hit incompatibilities precisely like the one you've got here with squid |
| 01:51.52 | gnu-man | themill: ok! |
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| 01:52.13 | gnu-man | themill: so that list I nopasted you, all entries belong to packages which are from sid instead from stable, right? |
| 01:52.21 | gnu-man | themill: or only the ones with a 'A'? |
| 01:52.41 | AlexLikeRock | <AlexLikeRock> hi, i try to intall printer by IPP / URL |
| 01:52.42 | AlexLikeRock | <AlexLikeRock> i add model, etc,etc |
| 01:52.42 | AlexLikeRock | <AlexLikeRock> on the final ask for a root pasww to add printer |
| 01:52.52 | Coburn | that is normal |
| 01:52.52 | AlexLikeRock | <AlexLikeRock> next ask for AUTENTICATION (adding printer HP-Ph...) |
| 01:52.53 | AlexLikeRock | <AlexLikeRock> USER |
| 01:52.53 | AlexLikeRock | <AlexLikeRock> PASSW |
| 01:52.53 | AlexLikeRock | <AlexLikeRock> what user for this ? |
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| 01:53.10 | Coburn | good call |
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| 01:53.27 | AlexLikeRock | talk abou my user o remmote user ? |
| 01:54.26 | gnu-man | I just see that there is plenty of unneeded stuff is installed. |
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| 01:58.50 | UserError | gnu-man, i feel your pain |
| 01:58.58 | UserError | look at the X11 meta-package and cringe |
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| 01:59.11 | phone | i installed libusb-dev and it's still bloody segfaulting |
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| 02:00.49 | gnu-man | UserError: yes |
| 02:01.02 | gnu-man | So I will now just reprovision the whole thing. |
| 02:01.09 | UserError | ? |
| 02:01.19 | gnu-man | UserError: reinstall base system + apply puppet manifest |
| 02:01.40 | gnu-man | The thing is too f up. |
| 02:01.41 | zinx | phone: installing a -dev package isn't going to fix anything. those are only for compiling things. |
| 02:01.53 | UserError | ahhhhh you're using puppet |
| 02:01.56 | UserError | gotcha |
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| 02:02.21 | UserError | you can dropdown to ruby or if puppet has a shell command like shutils but remotely |
| 02:02.25 | gnu-man | UserError: yes, maybe I learn another SCM later. But first I have to perfect puppet. |
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| 02:02.41 | gnu-man | UserError: I use puppet in masterless mode |
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| 02:02.44 | UserError | and apt-download package ; dpkg --force-all -i package.deb |
| 02:02.47 | abrotman | ... |
| 02:02.48 | UserError | heh |
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| 02:03.05 | UserError | that is how i figured out how to get it done |
| 02:03.12 | abrotman | Brilliant .. |
| 02:04.15 | UserError | i still haven't worked out a fix for updating them though so glass is half full |
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| 02:04.17 | kelsoo | window 1 |
| 02:04.32 | gnu-man | UserError: `apt-download package ; dpkg --force-all -i package.deb` in puppet? |
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| 02:04.39 | abrotman | gnu-man: do not do that .. |
| 02:04.44 | UserError | no |
| 02:04.49 | UserError | i'm ASKING you |
| 02:04.57 | abrotman | gnu-man: probably just ignore UserError |
| 02:05.05 | UserError | if you can drop down remotely and pass the shell commands |
| 02:05.14 | UserError | because i know you can drop to ruby from puppet |
| 02:05.27 | abrotman | UserError: Puppet has tons of documentation on their website, there is also #puppet |
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| 02:05.47 | UserError | i'm telling him the after part. i'm well aware. i chose ansible instead |
| 02:05.50 | gnu-man | UserError: puppet can exec directly |
| 02:05.55 | UserError | awesome |
| 02:05.57 | UserError | perfect then |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | This is the most useless conversation of the day ... |
| 02:06.09 | gnu-man | abrotman: :) |
| 02:06.11 | UserError | congrats |
| 02:06.15 | abrotman | Is it even a conversation? |
| 02:06.20 | UserError | yes |
| 02:06.22 | UserError | scroll up |
| 02:06.31 | abrotman | Neither of you understand what the other is saying ... |
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| 02:07.00 | UserError | Hey abrotman, tell me again what the actual X11 minimums are for debian |
| 02:07.22 | abrotman | UserError: Hey, they still can't help you in #elementary or #ubuntu? |
| 02:07.29 | UserError | i help them |
| 02:07.33 | UserError | i figured it out |
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| 02:07.35 | abrotman | I bet ... |
| 02:07.37 | UserError | deducing further |
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| 02:08.37 | UserError | Why do they give people +o that don't understand apt? |
| 02:08.42 | UserError | or dpkg |
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| 02:08.59 | abrotman | UserError: please go troll somewhere else, perhaps in the channel for your distro. |
| 02:09.03 | gnu-man | Good night :) |
| 02:09.06 | gnu-man | goes to bed now |
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| 02:15.41 | zh1 | is there an alarm clock on the debian? |
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| 02:23.28 | phone | great, using gdb on scanimage isn't working either |
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| 02:24.04 | phone | i get "Cannot find new threads: generic error" |
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| 02:26.14 | abrotman | phone: strace ? |
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| 02:27.31 | GEDTMOR | mr benevolent dictator |
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| 02:31.40 | rfree | well that escalated quickly |
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| 02:38.28 | Ripways | how install nano?? |
| 02:38.52 | abrotman | Ripways: aptitude install nano |
| 02:39.19 | Ripways | bash: aptitude: command not found |
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| 02:39.50 | abrotman | Ripways: so what OS are oyu using? |
| 02:39.55 | Ripways | wait |
| 02:39.56 | linux-fox | should we use aptitude or apt-get to install packages? |
| 02:40.02 | abrotman | linux-fox: whichever you prefer |
| 02:40.04 | kruug | linux-fox: apt-get |
| 02:40.16 | abrotman | dpkg: tell linux-fox about why aptitude |
| 02:40.36 | Ripways | uname -a : Linux so-net-dev 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:40.46 | abrotman | Ripways: so apt-get install nano |
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| 02:40.55 | kruug | attempting to install Debian 7.3 in VirtualBox. After I choose `Install`, the VM hangs. I've asked in #VirtualBox and they didn't know, figured you might know |
| 02:41.16 | abrotman | kruug: check the console, it sounds like it's having network problems perhaps |
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| 02:42.53 | kruug | abrotman: do you know where in the log it would be? |
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| 02:42.59 | kruug | like, what the prefix would be on the line? |
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| 02:43.13 | linux-fox | abrotman:thank you |
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| 02:44.54 | abrotman | kruug: alt-f4 IIRC |
| 02:45.11 | abrotman | Ripways: please do'nt msg me |
| 02:45.25 | Ripways | so-net-dev:/home# nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 02:45.27 | abrotman | Ripways: if you have a question, ask in the channel |
| 02:45.28 | Ripways | bash: nano: command not found |
| 02:45.34 | abrotman | Ripways: did you install nano? |
| 02:45.40 | Ripways | yes |
| 02:45.50 | abrotman | Ripways: /usr/bin/nano ? |
| 02:45.50 | kruug | sorry abrot |
| 02:46.03 | kruug | alt-F4 doesn't work in this instance |
| 02:46.31 | rfree | kruug: try some expert mode and there play with options, try some failsafe mode |
| 02:46.41 | Ripways | abrotman: nano: Segmentation fault |
| 02:47.07 | abrotman | Ripways: what distro is this? |
| 02:47.12 | abrotman | kruug: maybe alt-f3 |
| 02:47.57 | Ripways | what distro? |
| 02:48.03 | Ripways | im newbie |
| 02:48.12 | rfree | Ripways: what linux is that, is that a debian? How did you installed it |
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| 02:49.16 | centrx | His kernel is from 2009... |
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| 02:49.31 | rfree | centrx: well then it sounds like a Debian... (jk) |
| 02:49.38 | Ripways | I do not know. This got my friend. but I can not use the nano command |
| 02:49.47 | kruug | Ripways: vim? |
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| 02:49.58 | Ripways | Linux so-net-dev 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:50.09 | rfree | Ripways: it will be easiest to ask this friend to help you, you have some very strange and old system |
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| 02:51.47 | Ripways | login as: root |
| 02:51.47 | Ripways | Using keyboard-interactive authentication. |
| 02:51.49 | Ripways | whats that?? |
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| 02:52.17 | Arrowmaster | means it lets you type a password |
| 02:53.02 | stew | 2.6.26-2 is a lenny kernel, iirc |
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| 03:16.33 | minz | if i needed to use cad inside a vm with pci passthrough, what hypervisor should i be looking to setup? xen? |
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| 03:18.32 | centrx | minz, virtualbox? |
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| 03:19.38 | kieppie | howdy |
| 03:20.41 | kieppie | I downloaded the mini.iso from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-ia64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso, but the VM fails to boot, whereas it boots OK is I use the Ubuntu mini.iso. What could I be missing? |
| 03:20.52 | abrotman | kieppie: you're not using ia64 |
| 03:21.12 | kieppie | uhhh.... doh! |
| 03:21.16 | dvs | and why the mini.iso? |
| 03:21.16 | kieppie | thanks |
| 03:21.17 | abrotman | doh indeed |
| 03:21.23 | abrotman | kieppie: and you really probably want the netinst |
| 03:21.46 | kieppie | dvs: I install all my boxes/hosts from mini - using a local apt-cacher-ng caching proxy |
| 03:22.02 | dvs | ah, no internet required |
| 03:22.04 | LoneStar99 | anyone using debian on amazon aws elastic beanstalk? |
| 03:22.26 | kieppie | abrotman: I use the netinst for PXE's, but like the mini's for getting going quick & easy |
| 03:22.41 | abrotman | okay |
| 03:22.50 | abrotman | As long as you understand the difference |
| 03:23.21 | julianoliver | LoneStar99: works great on spongy broccoli. |
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| 03:24.28 | kieppie | abrotman: was amb64, not ia64 - thanks for that... |
| 03:24.35 | abrotman | yep |
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| 03:25.59 | kieppie | cheers folks. thanks for the help |
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| 03:31.31 | Radon_3 | in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/i386/iso-cd/?C=S;O=A what is the difference between debian-7.3.0-i386-CD-8.iso, debian-7.3.0-i386-CD-5.iso, debian-7.3.0-i386-CD-2.iso ? |
| 03:31.40 | sgo11 | I got a harddisk problem. The harddisk might be broken. it's partitioned with NTFS. First time, I connected it with USB, I can mount some partitions. but when 'ls', I see input/output erros. Second time, I can only see partitions with 'fdisk -l', partitions failed to be mounted. Third time, I connected it with usb, I can not even see it in 'fdisk -l'. dmesg shows "Attached SCSI disk....USB disconnect". can |
| 03:31.40 | sgo11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.56 | centrx | Radon_3, Debian comes with a lot of software. You only need the first CD. |
| 03:32.10 | abrotman | Radon_3: the CDs each contain different packages, subets of the whole archive |
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| 03:32.37 | Radon_3 | centrx: you mean:debian-7.3.0-i386-CD-1.iso ? |
| 03:32.48 | centrx | Yes |
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| 03:33.10 | Radon_3 | abrotman: where can I read about the differences? |
| 03:33.40 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Radon_3 about cd contents |
| 03:33.40 | centrx | Radon_3, It is additional software, like word processors, different web browsers, games, server software, etc. etc |
| 03:34.29 | Radon_3 | oh, so can we say the bigger the iso file is the more softwares it has? |
| 03:34.55 | abrotman | define 'more" |
| 03:35.13 | Radon_3 | numerically |
| 03:35.47 | abrotman | so just the sheer number of packages? |
| 03:35.59 | Radon_3 | yes, basically |
| 03:36.09 | Radon_3 | (I'm new to the whole thing) |
| 03:36.25 | dvs | Radon_3: But only the first one is bootable for installation |
| 03:37.31 | Radon_3 | dvs: that is a very vital piece of info, thanks a lot for the heads up man |
| 03:37.39 | dvs | no prob |
| 03:37.58 | Radon_3 | dvs: you mean debian-7.3.0-i386-CD-1.iso, right? |
| 03:38.07 | dvs | yes |
| 03:38.28 | Radon_3 | ok, thanks again. |
| 03:38.38 | dvs | no prob |
| 03:40.37 | NMJerry | Can ne tell me exactly howto-whento use the update isos |
| 03:41.17 | dvs | NMJerry: When you download all the 7.0.0 disks and then the latest update iso |
| 03:41.48 | themill | NMJerry: if you have an internet connection on the machine you're wanting to update, you don't want them |
| 03:42.54 | NMJerry | So if i had down loaded 7.1,i had need yo get the update isos immediately? |
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| 03:44.12 | dvs | NMJerry: No immediately, never if you have an internet connection |
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| 03:47.23 | NMJerry | I i generally dont have jntermet so i use cds all the time i get it mow. The nigger the diff in version ns the more u need it? |
| 03:47.52 | Belial` | something got lost in translation there. |
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| 03:48.31 | themill | Something headed very close to +b in the translation there... |
| 03:48.48 | NMJerry | Tje bigger the diff in version nums. The more u need update? |
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| 04:04.56 | tuxy | how do I regenerate /etc/network/interfaces in debian wheezy? |
| 04:05.53 | NMJerry | Od say take the m down. Snd ghe set them ip of hand |
| 04:06.43 | NMJerry | The set them up off hand |
| 04:09.58 | NMJerry | Is sorry i thought you ment regenerate intrrfaces not regeneratimg a config file |
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| 04:11.47 | abrotman | NMJerry: Could you please try to speak in English? |
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| 04:12.36 | abrotman | Then perhaps you should stop using IRC |
| 04:12.51 | NMJerry | No u wrong |
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| 04:13.30 | abrotman | NMJerry: That's not really acceptable, No one can understand what you're saying, you're just making noise. |
| 04:13.51 | laigualdad | OMG thank you MrFrood and abrotman!!! my friend's display is working again after installing fglrx! now they get the full gnome 3 experience :) |
| 04:14.04 | laigualdad | thank you #debian |
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| 04:14.33 | tuxy | hmm so is there anyway to generate a config file? |
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| 04:14.41 | abrotman | tuxy: there's an example on your system |
| 04:15.08 | laigualdad | is away: busy |
| 04:15.10 | tuxy | I modified it |
| 04:15.13 | abrotman | dpkg: tell laigualdad about away |
| 04:15.26 | abrotman | tuxy: the example in /usr/share/doc/? |
| 04:15.26 | laigualdad | oops sorry |
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| 04:16.39 | abrotman | tuxy: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
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| 04:19.51 | tuxy | abrotman, but there is no way to regenrate the config file? |
| 04:20.47 | abrotman | tuxy: that directory has a script I believe? |
| 04:20.57 | abrotman | tuxy: or ask someone here to create one for you |
| 04:21.04 | tuxy | hold up. let me check |
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| 04:21.45 | tuxy | hmm there is no script in there abrotman :/ |
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| 04:22.39 | tuxy | abrotman, is there a way to re-discover interfaces in debian? |
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| 04:53.39 | foul_owl | Hello, I am having issues with my wireless card. I did a fresh install of jessie/sid, and my RTL8192CU is disconnecting every 30 seconds or so. Nothing in dmesg |
| 04:54.10 | centrx | Try installing firmware-realtek ? |
| 04:54.18 | foul_owl | I did do that |
| 04:54.44 | foul_owl | Double checked, apt states it's the latest version |
| 04:56.42 | jeep_ | foul_owl: do you have network-manager and wicd installed ? |
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| 04:58.48 | foul_owl | I have network-manager installed |
| 04:59.15 | foul_owl | network-manager applet 0.9.8.4 |
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| 05:00.20 | jeep_ | foul_owl: what about wicd if you have it also they constantly reset the the connection |
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| 05:01.11 | foul_owl | Try wicd instead of network-manager? |
| 05:01.20 | Rusty1 | foul_owl: not alot of ipv6 stuff in dmesg? |
| 05:02.01 | jeep_ | wicd may fix the issue but make sure to remove network-manager |
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| 05:03.56 | foul_owl | Ah, try disabling ipv6 as an option too? |
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| 05:04.25 | Rusty1 | foul_owl: try that, yes |
| 05:06.15 | foul_owl | Alright, let me try that first |
| 05:06.18 | foul_owl | Thanks folks |
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| 05:13.25 | sgo11 | hi, anyone has experience with ddrescue? I read a wiki page. it says the first round "ddrescue -f -g -n /dev/sdb /root/sdb_rescue.img" and second round "ddrescue -d -f -r3 /dev/sdb /root/sdb_rescue.img". I am wondering if I should change the second round output file path. will 2nd round override the 1st round output? thanks. |
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| 05:17.10 | bullgard4 | https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend differentiates the terms "suspend" and "software suspend". What other kinds of suspend are there beyond "software suspend"? |
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| 05:18.24 | ShapeShifter499 | PING |
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| 05:21.21 | centrx | bullgard4, hardware suspend ? |
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| 05:22.24 | themill | bullgard4: I can see no such differentiation being made |
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| 05:25.57 | bullgard4 | centrx: Yes indeed. -- Thank you very much for your help. |
| 05:26.51 | bullgard4 | themill: Neither me. Still, the authors(s) used two different terms. |
| 05:27.03 | themill | where? |
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| 05:31.29 | bullgard4 | For example, headline: "Suspend", first sentence: "This page gathers bits of information about getting software suspend to work in Debian. " |
| 05:32.03 | themill | I'm yet to see any evidence of trying to differentiate between suspend and software suspend. |
| 05:32.31 | Coburn | uh |
| 05:32.50 | Coburn | software suspend = stops the program from executing, as in a "freeze" |
| 05:32.53 | themill | "Headline: something short; Text: something longer" is standard across all documentation. |
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| 05:33.09 | Coburn | suspend = PC saves it's duties and nods off to RAM sleep |
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| 05:33.33 | themill | Coburn: I've never seen it used like that anywhere in the linux or windows world |
| 05:33.50 | Coburn | Well, i think we're mixing it up |
| 05:34.16 | Coburn | "Suspend" without any prefix means Hardware Wise - we're telling the machine to halt, but keep itself ready to go on resume |
| 05:34.18 | themill | software suspend comes from a contrast with the older APM hardware-enforced suspend. |
| 05:35.00 | b3h3m0th | Installed AMD graphics card driver in debian. Now, I am not able to start xserver. |
| 05:35.12 | Coburn | b3h3m0th: what is your /var/log/Xorg.log filee? |
| 05:35.15 | Coburn | file* |
| 05:35.30 | Coburn | sounds like you haven't configured it correctly. |
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| 05:37.14 | josefig | sometimes I get connection timeout when I try to reach the port 22 from WAN, I tried nmap -Pn -p22 <host> and it is filtered, what can I do in order to stop getting timeout? |
| 05:37.37 | Coburn | is there anything listening on port 22? |
| 05:37.56 | Coburn | also, some ISPs don't allow port 22 |
| 05:38.07 | Coburn | consider changing it to like 2222 or something |
| 05:38.37 | josefig | hum ok |
| 05:39.09 | themill | josefig: is this on your home network? |
| 05:39.25 | josefig | themill, from my home network to my site |
| 05:39.40 | b3h3m0th | Coburn: I am now on a different machine. How can I upload the Xorg.0.log file from tty ? ( I dont have display ) |
| 05:40.10 | Coburn | b3h3m0th: if you boot into rescue mode on the affected machine, it will allow you to access the terminal |
| 05:40.14 | Coburn | for example |
| 05:40.15 | themill | josefig: is the ssh server supposed to be accessible over the internet? There's not a perimeter firewall (or even a NAT) in place that would be in the way? |
| 05:40.38 | Coburn | GRUB should say : "Debian 7.x (rescue mode)" |
| 05:41.00 | josefig | themill, indeed there's a router, I added the port forward rule but I don't know sometimes I get timeout |
| 05:41.13 | Coburn | sometimes you need to restart the router |
| 05:41.16 | b3h3m0th | Coburn: I have a terminal from tty1 but I dont have GUI. I want to know how I can upload the log file to a free hosting site or something so that I can send it to you. |
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| 05:41.33 | Coburn | b3h3m0th: you know how to mount drives manually? |
| 05:41.35 | josefig | Coburn, when I add the port forward rule ? |
| 05:41.50 | themill | josefig: port forward from the router? or poke a hole in the router's firewalling? Are you sshing to the router or to the machine behind it? |
| 05:42.03 | Coburn | josefig: yeah. had a router taht needed reboots after it had ports added to it |
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| 05:42.34 | Coburn | b3h3m0th: plug in a USB stick, and you'll see "/dev/sdX: sdX1". That's what you want. Then, as root, mount /dev/sdX1 /mnt |
| 05:42.54 | Coburn | then as root again, cp /var/log/Xorg.* /mnt/ && sync && umount /mnt |
| 05:43.00 | Coburn | eject USB |
| 05:43.03 | Coburn | volia |
| 05:43.07 | josefig | themill, I'm sshing to the machine behind it and poking a hole in the router's firewalling it's a huawei HG8245 btw. |
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| 05:47.21 | b3h3m0th | Coburn: http://pastebin.com/4tm5DjYN |
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| 05:49.36 | Coburn | b3h3m0th: where did you install it from? |
| 05:49.45 | Coburn | looks like it's actually outdated |
| 05:49.49 | Coburn | > 12.1 |
| 05:49.55 | Coburn | latest driver is like 13.x |
| 05:50.06 | jordanm | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 05:50.08 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; jessie/non-free: 1:13.12-3; sid/non-free: 1:13.12-3 |
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| 05:50.26 | jordanm | 12.x would be standard for stable |
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| 05:50.48 | Coburn | what card is it? |
| 05:50.52 | b3h3m0th | Is there anything I can do now? I tried installing lightmd (It was gdm3 ). It did not help |
| 05:50.58 | jordanm | an unsupported card it looks like |
| 05:51.07 | Coburn | b3h3m0th: what is the make and model |
| 05:51.16 | Coburn | for exmaple, mine's a XFX R9 280X |
| 05:51.22 | b3h3m0th | Coburn: AMD dual grapgics card ( 7660 and 7670 ) |
| 05:51.23 | Coburn | which is a HD7970 in disguise |
| 05:51.38 | Coburn | is this a desktop or laptop? |
| 05:51.40 | b3h3m0th | Coburn: you must be a hardcore gamer :D |
| 05:51.51 | b3h3m0th | It is a laptop |
| 05:52.09 | Coburn | i got it... because it came with Battlefield 4... *shity eyes* |
| 05:52.13 | Coburn | shift* |
| 05:52.32 | Coburn | I'm not that hardcore, but I had a HD7970 in the past but it died |
| 05:52.43 | jordanm | HD7960 should be supported by the wheezy drivers, according to the wiki |
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| 05:53.29 | Coburn | went from HD4850 -> HD5450 -> HD6770 -> HD6600 -> HD7770 -> HD7850 -> R9 280X |
| 05:53.40 | Coburn | basically, cards that budget allowed |
| 05:54.03 | Coburn | b3h3m0th: uninstall the GPU drivers you installed |
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| 05:54.13 | Coburn | so that way the graphics will be functional again |
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| 05:54.19 | Coburn | then try this |
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| 05:55.14 | Coburn | http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Linux+x86 |
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| 05:55.29 | Coburn | Try the amd version; the debian version might be missing something vital |
| 05:55.42 | tuxy | how can I check if my intel e1000e driver is up to date? |
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| 05:56.59 | Coburn | tuxy: if it aint broke, don't fix it |
| 05:57.10 | b3h3m0th | I used a .run file to install the current driver. How can I uninstall it ? |
| 05:57.12 | jordanm | tuxy: it's included as a module with the kernel |
| 05:57.28 | Coburn | oh, b3h3m0th, in that case... |
| 05:57.31 | Coburn | hmm |
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| 05:58.27 | gregoryo | Hi all. On FreeBSD I can 'pkg_create -b' an old installed package (that is now unavailable from sources) into a tarball, then remove it and try out a newer version before removing it and reinstall the old (working) version with pkg_add. I'd like to do something like that on an old Ubuntu box. What are the relevant tools? |
| 05:58.46 | Coburn | b3h3m0th: look in /usr/share/ati, there should be a uninstall.sh command |
| 05:58.52 | Coburn | run that as root |
| 05:58.57 | tuxy | Coburn, jordanm, for the life of me, I can't get ipv6 up and running on debian wheezy |
| 05:58.59 | bullgard4 | tuxy: "up-to-date" refers against a certain Debian version. For Wheezy, check if it is i this directory: /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko |
| 05:59.31 | jordanm | tuxy: should work by default. what have you tried and how are you testing? |
| 05:59.38 | Coburn | 3.2 is outdated, but still functional |
| 05:59.46 | b3h3m0th | I saw that on a forum. There is no such folfer (/usr/share/ati) in my filesystem ! |
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| 06:00.06 | MrGeneral | how can I completely remove mysql-server and install it once again? |
| 06:00.09 | Coburn | b3h3m0th: what do you get from ls /usr/share/amd* |
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| 06:00.17 | jordanm | well, 3.10 is available in bpo, but it shouldn't be needed |
| 06:00.22 | Coburn | MrGeneral: sudo aptitude purge mysql-server |
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| 06:00.40 | Coburn | unless you need kernel drivers not in 3.2, jordanm |
| 06:00.40 | tuxy | jordanm, I added a static ipv6 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:00.42 | jordanm | !tell MrGeneral about confmiss |
| 06:00.48 | tuxy | the ipv6 gets assigned and shows up in ifconfig |
| 06:01.01 | tuxy | but I can't ping to anything ipv6 outside or from outside to the box |
| 06:01.40 | b3h3m0th | I have searched the complete /usr/share folder |
| 06:01.51 | Coburn | hmm |
| 06:02.05 | Coburn | maybe if you run the .run file again, it'll offer to uninstall |
| 06:02.06 | MrGeneral | ty Coburn |
| 06:02.08 | MrGeneral | ty jordanm |
| 06:02.13 | Coburn | no probs, MrGeneral |
| 06:02.23 | Coburn | computer support is my job, believe it or not ;) |
| 06:03.20 | b3h3m0th | Coburn: I am using kali linux and I am done with that distro. It IS a garbage distro as I was adviced from this channel a few days ago. I wanted to install debian 7.3 exactly. But there is no wifi drivers by default.( network card :Ralink 3290) |
| 06:04.33 | b3h3m0th | Coburn: I hope you are not a Kali developer :p |
| 06:05.58 | Coburn | b3h3m0th: I'm a pure Debian user |
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| 06:06.03 | MrGeneral | Coburn, sure:P |
| 06:06.10 | Coburn | Also infused with Mageia blood |
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| 06:06.17 | Coburn | and a little Fedora |
| 06:06.29 | Coburn | but at the end of the day, Debian is the de facto in my books |
| 06:06.32 | Coburn | it just works. |
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| 06:07.33 | b3h3m0th | so where can get the drivers for Ralink 3290 on debian 7.2 or 7.3 ? |
| 06:07.45 | Coburn | well, firstly, download the backported kernel |
| 06:07.50 | MrGeneral | cool Coburn , I love debian |
| 06:07.51 | Coburn | so you get 3.10-ish |
| 06:07.54 | somiaj | b3h3m0th: looks like you can get the drives from wheezy-backports |
| 06:07.58 | MrGeneral | been trying to fix a messy mysql isue |
| 06:08.00 | Coburn | yep, that too |
| 06:08.01 | MrGeneral | issue |
| 06:08.08 | Coburn | MrGeneral: also consider MariaDB |
| 06:08.11 | somiaj | b3h3m0th: you will need the kernel and firmware-ralink |
| 06:08.17 | MrGeneral | yeah Coburn |
| 06:08.20 | MrGeneral | I heard about it |
| 06:08.37 | Coburn | I had a server swapping due to InnoDB r**e |
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| 06:08.46 | Coburn | I deployed MariaDB and boom |
| 06:08.49 | Coburn | no more swapping |
| 06:09.02 | Coburn | SUPER EFFECTIVE, as they sa |
| 06:09.03 | Coburn | say* |
| 06:09.48 | MrGeneral | Coburn, it didnt go well |
| 06:09.51 | MrGeneral | didnt remove /var/lib/mysql |
| 06:09.54 | stew | b3h3m0th: the firmware-ralink package cannot be included in debian because it isn't free, but you can get it if you add the non-free repository: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 06:10.02 | MrGeneral | neither /etc/mysql |
| 06:10.17 | stew | b3h3m0th: the driver itself should already be in your kernel, however |
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| 06:10.37 | Coburn | b3h3m0th: check list for ya: Obtain Debian 7.3 :: Backup your data :: Install Debian 7.3 :: Install backport kernels and non-free goodies :: ??? :: Live a good linux life |
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| 06:10.58 | MrGeneral | Any advice for it, Coburn ?:P |
| 06:11.23 | Coburn | MrGeneral: here. ymmv: sudo mv /etc/mysql /etc/mysql.borked && sudo mv /var/lib/mysql /var/lib/mysql.borked |
| 06:11.36 | Coburn | that will rename the existing directories. Then reinstall mariadb/mysql |
| 06:11.40 | Coburn | presto |
| 06:12.09 | Coburn | then you can just rm the folders that are *.borked |
| 06:12.21 | MrGeneral | already did that Coburn :P and Im going for mariadb |
| 06:12.36 | Coburn | btw, I usually back up default folders to something like |
| 06:12.47 | Coburn | . /etc/mysql.ship and /var/lib/mysql.ship |
| 06:13.09 | Coburn | so if anything fails, I just delete the current ones and restore from "shipping" defaults |
| 06:13.23 | MrGeneral | yeah same Coburn |
| 06:13.27 | MrGeneral | I did that too |
| 06:13.31 | MrGeneral | and yeah I love mariadb |
| 06:13.35 | MrGeneral | so it was a good advice :) |
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| 06:14.36 | Coburn | I use it for my hosting business stack as well. Haven't seen MariaDB do any rampage on the server - everything is just quiet and it's usually all sleeping (apart from when the kernel starts checking it's software RAID, then that gets exciting) |
| 06:14.41 | stew | mariadb is not in debian yet? |
| 06:14.50 | Coburn | Not yet. |
| 06:14.58 | stew | oh its in sid. not in testing yet because it is still RC buggy |
| 06:15.38 | Coburn | https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/#mirror=aarnet_pty_ltd&distro=Debian&distro_release=wheezy&version=5.5 |
| 06:16.05 | Coburn | change the mirror to one you see fit, that's one from australia |
| 06:16.13 | Coburn | prob not the best one you'd want but meh |
| 06:16.24 | MrGeneral | I agree Coburn , I had no issues, at all. |
| 06:16.34 | MrGeneral | this was a live backup that I had to restore for a client |
| 06:16.38 | MrGeneral | I am starting to hate mysq |
| 06:16.40 | MrGeneral | mysql |
| 06:16.43 | Coburn | InnoDB is a curse really |
| 06:16.55 | Coburn | Who thought it was a good idea to make it the default engine? |
| 06:17.12 | Coburn | I've had 16G log files due to InnoDB's lack of flushing |
| 06:17.15 | jordanm | the same people that thought things like foreign key constraints were important for a relational database? |
| 06:17.30 | MrGeneral | I agree Coburn |
| 06:17.31 | MrGeneral | it sucks |
| 06:17.41 | Coburn | not to mention, memory usage |
| 06:17.52 | Coburn | 75% mysql usage... no thanks |
| 06:18.07 | Coburn | heck, let me check mariadb |
| 06:18.10 | jordanm | myisam is what really sucks. it has a couple applications where its slightly faster, but otherwise useless |
| 06:18.27 | Coburn | so what is meant to be used then? |
| 06:18.30 | Coburn | whacks top and gets a readout |
| 06:18.39 | jordanm | Coburn: innodb memory usage is adjustable, but you generally want the innodb_buffer_pool to be about 90% of your RAM |
| 06:19.14 | stew | assuming the machine is doing nothing else |
| 06:19.30 | jordanm | you want most of data in RAM at all times to avoid disk access |
| 06:19.47 | jordanm | stew: yes, it's a database :) |
| 06:19.51 | stew | yes |
| 06:20.02 | Coburn | well, this is also doing PHP and all that jazz |
| 06:20.20 | stew | do you not use transactions? |
| 06:20.24 | Coburn | nope |
| 06:20.30 | Coburn | is that a bad thing? |
| 06:20.30 | Coburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.34 | jordanm | bleh who needs data integrety? |
| 06:20.49 | Coburn | REPAIR TABLE blah; anyone ? |
| 06:20.50 | stew | php doesn't? |
| 06:20.58 | stew | no, repair table is another story |
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| 06:21.32 | Coburn | > 3692 mysql 20 0 905m 75m 4756 S 0.0 1.9 21:27.23 mysqld |
| 06:21.32 | Coburn | That's MariaDB currently on my production business server |
| 06:21.34 | jordanm | Coburn: how about don't corrupt my tables and lose my data in the first place? |
| 06:22.01 | stew | Coburn: is there ever a time when you change one row because you are changing another row? in the same table or otherwise |
| 06:22.23 | Coburn | oh gawd, now i'm getting grilled |
| 06:22.51 | MrGeneral | Coburn, |
| 06:22.56 | MrGeneral | yeah mysql is memory hog |
| 06:23.25 | jordanm | MrGeneral: it uses as much memory as you configure it use! |
| 06:23.31 | jordanm | (or as little) |
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| 06:23.47 | MrGeneral | I still don't like it much jordanm :P |
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| 06:24.18 | Coburn | | InnoDB | DEFAULT | Percona-XtraDB, Supports transactions, row-level locking, and foreign keys |
| 06:24.25 | MrGeneral | 88rootlocalhostnewforumsQuery81Repair by sorting/*!40000 ALTER TABLE `xf_search_index` ENABLE KEYS */ |
| 06:24.30 | stew | yay foreign keys |
| 06:24.32 | Coburn | Okay so mariaDB does use innodb |
| 06:24.34 | MrGeneral | jeez |
| 06:24.38 | jordanm | now don't take my arguement as pro-mysql... i just felt mysql hate shouldn't be grounded on misconceptions |
| 06:24.42 | Coburn | but it's percona's XtraDB |
| 06:24.47 | stew | i forgot myisam doesn't have foreign keys, which is crazy |
| 06:24.49 | MrGeneral | sure jordanm |
| 06:24.57 | stew | jordanm: hear hear |
| 06:25.10 | themill | stew: why would you not just reinvent that wheel in php yourself every time? |
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| 06:25.30 | stew | well actually these days we're actually not using any relational databases |
| 06:25.32 | Coburn | MrGeneral: XenForo? |
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| 06:25.37 | themill | (badly. with race conditions) |
| 06:25.44 | stew | and I have wished for foreign key constraints |
| 06:25.54 | stew | and ON DELETE CASCADE |
| 06:26.01 | stew | if you could have that why would you not have that |
| 06:26.10 | themill | (see also UDD) |
| 06:26.18 | stew | themill: I think you know damn well why I don't reinvent any wheel in php |
| 06:26.26 | themill | :) |
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| 06:26.56 | stew | google: "fractal of bad design" |
| 06:28.14 | jordanm | delete? just add active tinyint(1) to every table and implement cascading on that :P |
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| 06:29.26 | MrGeneral | Coburn, how did you guess ?:P |
| 06:29.30 | MrGeneral | ahah, the xf thing :P |
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| 06:30.31 | MrGeneral | Yes, Coburn, XenForo. I run a webhosting company, and this client bought a vps, he has been client for some years. So, he decided to upgrade xenforo, but the backup he had in case of emergency, was corrupt, so I had to get him an older backup (3 days old) but the mysql was all messed up, due to it being a live backup |
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| 06:43.52 | guest442 | Hi everyone. I am trying to connect a Belkin USB adapter to my deb box. Debian is not recognizing it. Could someone help? |
| 06:44.12 | guest442 | when I run lsusb, i am able to see it. |
| 06:44.14 | Radon_3 | hi you guys, again, how can I check files integrity using their hash codes, on windows? |
| 06:45.56 | TriJetScud | Radon_3: you can install cygwin and have those hash sum tools available there |
| 06:46.22 | Radon_3 | problem solved, I am using hashtab now |
| 06:47.16 | joj | guest442: what is that USB adapter? a hub, or another device class? |
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| 06:48.12 | guest442 | just a regular belkin usb adaptor F7D1101 |
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| 06:50.06 | Radon_3 | wow, apparently debian takes security very seriously, SHA512SUMS??? for real? |
| 06:50.08 | Radon_3 | <3 |
| 06:50.50 | joj | guest442: so it's an USB wireless card. OK, looking at http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Devices/USB, it's not officially supported by the kernel (supposing the list is up-to-date), but we can try anyway |
| 06:51.14 | guest442 | that would be great. if you do not mind. |
| 06:51.19 | joj | guest442: 1) look if the kernel module is loaded: lsmod | grep rt2800usb - do you get an entry? |
| 06:52.07 | guest442 | nothing. |
| 06:52.15 | guest442 | just return prompt |
| 06:52.24 | joj | guest442: ok, then try loading the module with 'sudo modprobe rt2800usb' |
| 06:52.46 | guest442 | same thing return prompt |
| 06:52.51 | stew | guest442: if you see it in lsusb, what are the vendorid:deviceid pair? something like 1082:AA10 or something |
| 06:53.05 | guest442 | let me check |
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| 06:54.42 | guest442 | Bus 007 Device 002: ID 050d:945a Belkin Components F7D1101 v1 Basic Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188SU] |
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| 06:54.58 | stew | judd: pciid 050d:945a |
| 06:54.59 | judd | [050d:945a] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=050d:945a |
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| 06:55.23 | stew | i believe that means you are out of luck |
| 06:55.29 | joj | guest442: that's ok! now run lsmod | grep rt2800usb again, you should see an entry now. |
| 06:55.50 | guest442 | i see it now :) |
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| 06:56.00 | joj | stew: no I think we can do something, according to https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb, vendor 050d *is* BELKIN |
| 06:56.18 | guest442 | i see a bunch of stuff now |
| 06:56.20 | b3h3m0th | How to resize my linux partition without corrupting /boot ? |
| 06:56.41 | guest442 | b3h3m0th: have you tried gparted? |
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| 06:57.57 | joj | guest442: this are the dependencies of the module. Now, what is left is to install the FIRMWARE for the driver. Have you added the non-free branch of the Debian repository? If yes, sudo apt-get install firmware-ralink, if not, follow the section on adding the repo at https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb |
| 06:58.16 | linuxator | how to get archive manager for gnome? |
| 06:58.30 | joj | guest442: just try if the apt-get install firmware-ralink works |
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| 06:59.39 | WilliamDotSI | fyi, that stick works |
| 06:59.55 | WilliamDotSI | i dont know that exact model but we use some of them for Atom based Wheezys |
| 07:00.05 | WilliamDotSI | and dlink uses like 2 chipsets in total |
| 07:00.11 | WilliamDotSI | eh belkin |
| 07:00.20 | b3h3m0th | I can use gparted by booting into another partition but it is at the risk of getting my original partition corrupted. Last time, I was dropped to busybox shell with (initramfs) prompt |
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| 07:00.33 | b3h3m0th | I even had a kernel panic once |
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| 07:01.40 | Radon_3 | what is the best practical way to install debian alongside windows on the same Hard-Drive, on seperate partitions, so that I could loginto windows later on? |
| 07:01.42 | guest442 | joj: i am following you so far. the issue i am having is that i can not run apt-get install firmware-ralink if i can not get online with my desktop. i am using my laptop to chat atm. |
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| 07:02.01 | guest442 | WilliamDotSI: I am glad to hear :) I am really hoping to get online tonight. |
| 07:02.25 | joj | guest442: ah ok, but you need that firmware package. after you have installed it, remove the device and plug it in again. If the driver works, you will see a wireless interface you can configure |
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| 07:02.43 | joj | guest442: if you're lucky, that is |
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| 07:03.38 | WilliamDotSI | yea if id matches |
| 07:03.44 | WilliamDotSI | else youd possibly need to patch it in |
| 07:03.51 | guest442 | joj: so i will need to connect my desktop to the web first then run that command? couldnt i download the driver from my laptop, save the file to a usb drive and copy it over? |
| 07:04.00 | WilliamDotSI | the chipset should work with the presented instructions, iirc they use the same windows driver for both |
| 07:04.21 | WilliamDotSI | you can dl the package from archives |
| 07:04.26 | WilliamDotSI | but watch dependencas |
| 07:04.31 | WilliamDotSI | *dependences |
| 07:04.32 | WilliamDotSI | whatever |
| 07:04.46 | guest442 | cool let me try that really quick |
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| 07:05.20 | WilliamDotSI | if it does not work |
| 07:05.27 | WilliamDotSI | we buy USB N wifi sticks for like 15EUR on amazon |
| 07:05.32 | WilliamDotSI | they are good suspported |
| 07:05.42 | joj | guest442: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-ralink&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search and pick your Debian branch and architecture |
| 07:05.44 | WilliamDotSI | might be a choice for linux support |
| 07:05.59 | WilliamDotSI | yea, dont install x86 package on x64 lol |
| 07:06.02 | WilliamDotSI | not ending well |
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| 07:07.04 | guest442 | joj: so ive never installed a driver manually. i have always used terminal to automate. could you point the way? |
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| 07:07.19 | guest442 | i am here http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-ralink |
| 07:07.36 | guest442 | nm i think i see it |
| 07:07.41 | guest442 | let me try it first |
| 07:07.43 | guest442 | and get back |
| 07:08.13 | WilliamDotSI | dpkg -i $package |
| 07:08.13 | dpkg | installs $package into williamdotsi's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 07:08.23 | WilliamDotSI | lol :D |
| 07:08.58 | joj | guest442: architecture:all > select any mirror > download + save > transfer the downloaded *.deb file to the desktop > and there do what WilliamDotSI demonstrated (with sudo) |
| 07:09.26 | WilliamDotSI | yea sudo or as root |
| 07:09.36 | WilliamDotSI | dpkg doesnt auto sudo i think |
| 07:09.36 | dpkg | WilliamDotSI: I give up, what is it? |
| 07:09.37 | WilliamDotSI | never tried |
| 07:09.44 | WilliamDotSI | lol |
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| 07:10.25 | joj | guest442: unfortunately I have to leave now for a book from the library ... I believe however WilliamDotSI will assist you gladly |
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| 07:10.54 | guest442 | joj: hey thanks very much have a good day. |
| 07:11.20 | WilliamDotSI | yea il be gone when i go to work in half an hour, but im on irc always anyway |
| 07:11.54 | WilliamDotSI | one of the joys of a depressive attention span, aka nearly zero :p |
| 07:12.52 | guest442 | WilliamDotSI: i installed the firmware. unplugged the usb wlan adapter and got a kernel panick. rebooted. logging in now. |
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| 07:13.29 | guest442 | WilliamDotSI: it does not recognize my adapter :( |
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| 07:15.42 | WilliamDotSI | mhm |
| 07:15.45 | WilliamDotSI | is the module still loaded? |
| 07:15.57 | WilliamDotSI | lsmod | grep rt2800usb |
| 07:16.15 | WilliamDotSI | the panic should not happen, which could mean the ID does not match |
| 07:16.31 | WilliamDotSI | which should actually throw an error to dmesg or kill the device, but not crash |
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| 07:16.59 | guest442 | WilliamDotSI: its not loaded any more |
| 07:17.06 | WilliamDotSI | load again, plug |
| 07:17.12 | WilliamDotSI | better save open data before |
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| 07:17.36 | guest442 | if i dc and reconnect it gives me a kernel panick |
| 07:17.56 | WilliamDotSI | mhm |
| 07:17.59 | guest442 | let me do that sec |
| 07:18.08 | guest442 | yep KP |
| 07:18.10 | WilliamDotSI | cant really help much with that, thats kernel |
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| 07:18.18 | WilliamDotSI | but very unusual |
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| 07:18.30 | WilliamDotSI | i never managed to crash a squeeze/wheezy kernel, and i locked up the entire FS before for 5min |
| 07:18.40 | guest442 | :D |
| 07:18.54 | WilliamDotSI | is that some chinese product? |
| 07:18.57 | WilliamDotSI | origin verified as real? |
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| 07:19.09 | guest442 | i bought it at walmart |
| 07:19.12 | guest442 | so who knows |
| 07:19.12 | WilliamDotSI | mhm |
| 07:19.19 | WilliamDotSI | it might fake the chipid for s a windows driver |
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| 07:19.23 | WilliamDotSI | but cant work with the linux one |
| 07:19.23 | guest442 | rebooting |
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| 07:20.10 | chompsky | Hello, how do I set debian to not boot into gui envrionment? I installed from netinstall and selected desktop, and it install gnome (which is fine). is there a way to not auto start gui? |
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| 07:20.39 | WilliamDotSI | do you want to use it by vnc or alike? |
| 07:20.41 | WilliamDotSI | else id just remove it |
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| 07:21.12 | WilliamDotSI | ubuntu, but should work on debian also: |
| 07:21.13 | WilliamDotSI | update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 07:21.19 | tparcina | How to forward root e-mails (system e-mails, from example from cron) to external e-mail address? |
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| 07:21.35 | WilliamDotSI | yea ok im out, i can barely keep my own mail secure |
| 07:21.39 | WilliamDotSI | :p |
| 07:21.53 | guest442 | WilliamDotSI: thanks for your help! |
| 07:22.03 | chompsky | so if I run that command, assuming it works, how would I load gnome? |
| 07:22.19 | tparcina | I have put "root: my@address.com" in /etc/aliases and I have run newaliases, but it didn't help. |
| 07:22.20 | WilliamDotSI | /rtc/init.d/gdm start |
| 07:22.22 | WilliamDotSI | eh etc |
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| 07:22.27 | chompsky | awesome |
| 07:22.31 | chompsky | thanks alot |
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| 07:22.45 | tparcina | Then I have put my address in "/root/.forward" but that didn't help either. |
| 07:22.45 | WilliamDotSI | or service gdm start |
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| 07:23.09 | NourSs | Hello here, i have a problem with my Debian and grub-pc ( on a VPS ) : http://paste.debian.net/76090/ |
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| 07:27.56 | BotaniCar | Is anyone here using a colaboration suite hosted on debian ( in line with alfresco or egroupware) ? Can someone recommend a solution working well out of the box ? |
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| 07:31.43 | guest442 | cool i got it to work. it was not RA LINK driver it was Realtek driver. |
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| 07:34.22 | WilliamDotSI | oh yea guest442 |
| 07:34.24 | WilliamDotSI | RTL* |
| 07:34.26 | WilliamDotSI | is realtek |
| 07:34.39 | guest442 | hey man |
| 07:34.51 | WilliamDotSI | also, Realtek is known to cause issues |
| 07:34.52 | guest442 | now it is saying wireless unmanaged. |
| 07:35.05 | WilliamDotSI | yea you need to use the network manager to configure it |
| 07:35.12 | guest442 | under network name it is grayed out |
| 07:35.15 | WilliamDotSI | no idea, i always do static ip config via ifconfig |
| 07:35.22 | SirLagz | why do you need to use network manager to configure it ? |
| 07:35.41 | WilliamDotSI | because he does already SirLagz |
| 07:35.47 | WilliamDotSI | else he would not say it is greyed out |
| 07:35.53 | SirLagz | oh right. |
| 07:35.55 | guest442 | only thing option i get is to enable or disable radio and use as hotspot |
| 07:36.06 | WilliamDotSI | i guess enable, search network, connect? |
| 07:36.17 | guest442 | i know my wlan settings cant i manually add settings? |
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| 07:36.26 | guest442 | ive tried that it says 'unmanaged |
| 07:36.28 | guest442 | ' |
| 07:36.44 | guest442 | where i type network name is grayed out |
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| 07:45.28 | guest442 | set to true its working now |
| 07:45.31 | guest442 | thanks again! |
| 07:45.33 | guest442 | wooooo |
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| 09:01.00 | bullgard4 | What does in http://koala.cs.pub.ro/lxr/#linux26+v2.6.31.4/arch/sh/kernel/swsusp.c mean »SuperH«? |
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| 09:02.25 | jelly-home | bullgard4: do you know what arch/sh/ directory is for? |
| 09:02.26 | themill | bullgard4: did you ask google? |
| 09:02.43 | bullgard4 | yes |
| 09:03.13 | themill | and nothing seemed relevant? |
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| 09:03.23 | themill | like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperH as the first hit? |
| 09:03.34 | bullgard4 | I did not did anythig explaiig this term. |
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| 09:04.02 | bullgard4 | I did not find anything explainig this term. |
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| 09:04.51 | themill | bullgard4: We've explained this before: this is a user support channel to help users with Debian. If you want trademarks explained to you, ask the creative or marketing people who developed them |
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| 09:08.24 | rfree | themill: I do not think his question had anything to do with copyrights? "swsusp.c - SuperH hibernation support" it's mostly kernel question then? bullgard4 try asking #kernel or #kernelnewbies (the later on irc.oftc.net) or indeed google all the keywords, filenames |
| 09:08.34 | guest442 | im trying to install nvidia drivers. everything is fine until i reboot. then i get a black screen so x wont start. |
| 09:09.04 | guest442 | i am following this tutorial https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 09:09.28 | guest442 | can someone help me install my nvidia driver? |
| 09:09.39 | Radon_3 | can I ask a question about grub? |
| 09:09.55 | themill | rfree: no, it's the latest in a long series of questions where we deal with curiosa or predigest documentation. |
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| 09:11.48 | petern_ | dpkg, ask |
| 09:11.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 09:14.08 | Radon_3 | alright, I am installing the latest debian version, what I'm afraid about is this: I have winxp installed in one partition and I want to install debian in the second partition, if I let grub get installed automatically during the graphical or expert installation, will it mess the MBR or boot sector? Will it let me loginto windows later? |
| 09:14.45 | Radon_3 | will it automatically add windows xp to the boot screen? |
| 09:15.32 | Deeps | i believe it prompts during the install process about this |
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| 09:16.07 | Deeps | but it's probably worth having a bootable windows xp install cd/dvd/usb handy in case, as it's trivial to resolve if it doesn't go to plan |
| 09:16.28 | Deeps | and/or a linux live cd of sorts, depending on the approach you want to take |
| 09:16.30 | joj | Radon_3: grub's os_prober module will usually detect any windows installation and add it to the boot menu |
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| 09:17.03 | Radon_3 | how so? cause I have been through this one time before, and it didn't ask me anything. I had to remove the whole windows partition, and format the whole disk, you can say I am kind of back from the dead right now |
| 09:17.17 | Radon_3 | This happened a week ago |
| 09:17.32 | Radon_3 | only because I couldn't get nvidia driver to work |
| 09:17.40 | Radon_3 | and I had no display at all |
| 09:17.47 | lemaire | quit |
| 09:18.00 | Radon_3 | only a blinking cursor |
| 09:18.11 | Radon_3 | I couldn't log into windows |
| 09:18.32 | joj | Radon_3: it doesn't ask. If it didn't add the entry during installation, run grub-update oder grub-mkconfig (I have no idea what currently is in stable) manually, and it should detect it |
| 09:18.36 | Radon_3 | so, I used ubuntu live to back up the windows files I needed |
| 09:19.49 | Radon_3 | joj: you mean after the installation? After installation is complete and I have logged into debian I should run this? |
| 09:20.26 | joj | Radon_3: yes. If you didn't delete the windows partition during the partitioning step, Debian doesn't touch it. |
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| 09:20.49 | joj | Radon_3: so regardlass of whether windows is loading, the windows install itself will stay completely intact |
| 09:21.14 | Radon_3 | just out of interest I am asking the following question: Will it help if I start that exe file (debian-installer loader) from debian CD? |
| 09:21.56 | Radon_3 | joj: I know the installation will remain intact, but it is a messed up MBR that worries me a bit |
| 09:22.02 | guest442 | joj: i got my wlan to work it was realtek not ra link. |
| 09:22.06 | Deeps | Radon_3: for future reference, even though it's largely off topic in here, if you find yourself with a windows install that doesn't boot, use the winxp boot cd, get the recovery console up and in the command line run fixboot and fixmbr, and your windows install will boot again |
| 09:23.21 | Radon_3 | Deeps: I have been there a few times now in the previous 10 years, and MS's fixboot and fixmbr could sometimes apply some damage to your info |
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| 09:23.31 | Radon_3 | I lost my whole drive once |
| 09:23.39 | joj | Radon_3: Deeps: this is because GRUB gets installed into the MBR, overwriting the windows loader (which is utterly incapable and inadequate). Deeps says how to re-install the windows-loader. |
| 09:24.15 | joj | Radon_3: blame Windows ... ? it's infinitely intransparent. |
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| 09:24.40 | Radon_3 | So, can you at least promise me if I go through this process I will be able to boot into my windows too? |
| 09:24.50 | Radon_3 | not that I will blame you guys later on |
| 09:24.54 | Radon_3 | for anything |
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| 09:25.41 | joj | Radon_3: yes. that is how it works. However, depending on if a butterfly in South America causes your system to go bonkers all of sudden, I can't guarantee anything of course |
| 09:25.42 | Radon_3 | so should I use graphic installation or expert mode? which one is better? |
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| 09:26.11 | Radon_3 | joj: I don't get the butterfly part my man |
| 09:26.14 | joj | Radon_3: I believe I always use expert |
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| 09:26.20 | Radon_3 | what do you mean? |
| 09:26.37 | Deeps | Radon_3: as always, make sure you have a backup of any important data before doing anything like this |
| 09:26.52 | joj | Radon_3: https://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 09:26.56 | Radon_3 | Yeap, back up. So I am going expert right? |
| 09:26.59 | Deeps | Radon_3: as joj notes, if you happen to chance on an unfortunately timed solar flare, your computer could theoretically burst into flames |
| 09:27.19 | Radon_3 | :D funny |
| 09:27.20 | joj | holds on tight to his tea cup |
| 09:27.22 | Radon_3 | lol |
| 09:27.56 | guest442 | once i got the right driver installed everything was good. thanks again. i did have to set my network manager to unmanaged "true" |
| 09:28.21 | guest442 | i got lucky that card had a driver |
| 09:28.41 | Radon_3 | also there is this big ass problem that I have with installing nvidia drivers on linux distributions |
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| 09:29.08 | joj | guest442: cool, I saw in the backlog that the realtek driver worked in the end :-) |
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| 09:29.29 | guest442 | :) im using it now. trying to get steam to work :o |
| 09:30.27 | Radon_3 | If I don't install a driver, I get a lousy low def picture, and when I install it, the next time I boot I get only a blinking cursor on a black background, it is like debian is telling me: "look here bro, you are not for debian, neither is debian for you, so fuck off", is that true? should I listen to this voice in my head? |
| 09:30.45 | guest442 | i was able to get nvidia driver to install after blacklisting nouveau. |
| 09:31.00 | Radon_3 | guest442: how did you do that? |
| 09:31.13 | guest442 | http://www.cyberciti.biz/howto/debian-linux/install-nvidia-proprietary-unix-driver/ |
| 09:31.24 | guest442 | step # 2 |
| 09:31.27 | joj | Radon_3: I believe I have bigger problems with installing AMD drivers on my linux systems :-( not funny. e.g. at the moment, backlight isn't working. Unfortunately, with the open source driver and because this is a slow netbook, the CPU load gets too high when using firefox and video encoding is noticably slower |
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| 09:31.53 | joj | Radon_3: going to get a high-end intel one next time. |
| 09:31.56 | guest442 | nano /etc/modprobe.d/disable-nouveau.conf |
| 09:32.06 | Radon_3 | I know you said not funny, but excuse me for this: lol |
| 09:32.18 | Radon_3 | lol joj |
| 09:32.19 | guest442 | Radon_3: i would not give up bro. keep trying you will get it |
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| 09:32.36 | joj | Radon_3: UNLESS he wants to run bumblebee too |
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| 09:33.06 | Radon_3 | :) what the heck is bumblebee man? |
| 09:33.53 | joj | Radon_3: the way you utilize Nvidia optimus stuff: render on a high-powered discrete NVidia graphics card and display with the built-in intel one or so |
| 09:34.29 | joj | Radon_3: or switch between them for power-saving. |
| 09:34.55 | Radon_3 | you mean software processing of the picture right joj? |
| 09:35.06 | Radon_3 | forgetting the hardware? |
| 09:35.42 | petern_ | No, switching between two bits of hardware. |
| 09:35.59 | Radon_3 | I don't get it petern_ :( |
| 09:36.11 | joj | Radon_3: no, everything in hardware. Basically load-balancing between a discrete GPU with high-energy consumption and great performance and a GPU of lower performance and energy consumption, aiming for optimal power efficiency. |
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| 09:37.26 | Radon_3 | again I don't quite understand, cause before we can go any further, I can't make debian to use my old nvidia GPU. |
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| 09:38.22 | Radon_3 | GForce FX 5500, now please don't laught, just kidding, this is the funniest GPU in 2014, laugh your asses off |
| 09:38.53 | Radon_3 | Also, I have repaired it myself a couple of times since 2005 |
| 09:39.14 | guest442 | Radon_3: i am not trying to be funny but i would read these if you get a chance. http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/ |
| 09:39.22 | guest442 | http://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 09:39.42 | Radon_3 | the first link is new |
| 09:39.54 | joj | Radon_3: did you go through the WIKI entry: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 09:40.00 | Radon_3 | I have the handbook in epub format in my phone already |
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| 09:40.27 | Radon_3 | joj: yes that's 'exactly' what I did last time, but |
| 09:40.45 | joj | Radon_3: did you try letting smxi or sfxi do all the work for you? |
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| 09:41.11 | joj | Radon_3: I stand corrected, sgfxi |
| 09:41.24 | Radon_3 | iI don't know about sgfxi |
| 09:41.28 | Radon_3 | What is that? |
| 09:41.54 | joj | Radon_3: these are sophisticated scripts for managing a Debian installation, sgfxi in particular assists with the installation of both free and non-free graphics drivers |
| 09:42.33 | Radon_3 | you mean I have to download the DVD to have access to those? |
| 09:42.35 | joj | Radon_3: here's the home page: http://smxi.org/, here's everything about the sgfxi part http://smxi.org/site/faqs-sgfxi.htm |
| 09:42.53 | joj | Radon_3: no no, these are stand-alone, you only need internet access |
| 09:43.27 | Radon_3 | OK, I have the debian CD, will I still need internet access? |
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| 09:44.03 | Nyoxi | what's so funny about GForge FX 5500? ... as long as you don't consider it as a gaming platform |
| 09:44.25 | joj | Radon_3: yes. the scripts ensure that your system is up to date (via apt-get), and it also handles downloading the correct version of the proprietary driver. |
| 09:45.02 | Radon_3 | Nyoxi: good point. but my friends phones perform better than my PC when graphic processing is involved, but thanks for making me happy :) |
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| 09:45.15 | petern_ | joj, sounds like a bad idea to be honest. Debian already packages the binary drivers. |
| 09:45.45 | Radon_3 | so should I go for http://smxi.org/ or not ;( |
| 09:46.20 | joj | petern_: I you have looked at the fglrx ATI driver for example, the state of it in debian is horrible. It's useless and breaks often. (OK I use sid, but at least in the gfx driver case, newer versions are significantly faster). |
| 09:46.28 | petern_ | You just need nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx |
| 09:46.48 | petern_ | joj, Geforce FX 5500 is not ATI... |
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| 09:47.15 | petern_ | err |
| 09:47.19 | petern_ | nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx |
| 09:47.20 | petern_ | not settings |
| 09:47.25 | joj | petern_: I know only how to complain about fglrx, but I assumed binary packages from nvidia are just as bad as the AMD binary drivers |
| 09:47.26 | petern_ | copy & pasted the wrong bit :) |
| 09:47.39 | petern_ | No, the Nvidia drivers work fine. |
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| 09:48.55 | Radon_3 | ok, so according to the had conversation, here I go again on my own, going down the only road I ever known, I hope I get my old ass nvidia card to work in debian. |
| 09:49.15 | Radon_3 | just one last question |
| 09:49.30 | Radon_3 | do I need net connection even when I am using the CD? |
| 09:49.37 | Radon_3 | or I can ignore that? |
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| 09:50.02 | petern_ | No, but the CD may not contain the non-free bits you need. |
| 09:50.11 | Radon_3 | like what? |
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| 09:50.19 | Nyoxi | Radon_3: well I still have a SiS graphics card stashed somewhere, ready to be used in a server. now that might be considered funny since all integrated boards probably perform better that that old piece of crap ;) |
| 09:50.38 | Nyoxi | integrated cards I mean |
| 09:51.04 | joj | Radon_3: the Debian (first) CD contains only free software, and only the parts required to get a system running. chances are it doesn't hold your driver (=non-free, non-essential) |
| 09:51.22 | Radon_3 | Nyoxi: I read somewhere that old graphic cards could probably cause security issues later on, |
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| 09:52.06 | Radon_3 | joj: Well, the last time I tried installing debian i used the net installer and it didn't download my driver either... :( |
| 09:52.28 | Radon_3 | joj: this time I am trying the CD, should I still need Internet connection? |
| 09:52.30 | petern_ | You have to add access to the non-free repositories, and then install it. |
| 09:52.59 | Radon_3 | petern_: could I do that after I have installed the whole system? |
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| 09:53.21 | petern_ | You can only do it afterwards. |
| 09:53.46 | Radon_3 | so, I don't need Internet connection then? |
| 09:53.53 | Radon_3 | to install the system? |
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| 09:53.59 | petern_ | Not to do the install from CD, no. |
| 09:54.24 | petern_ | Do you need to do an install from CD? What happened to the system last time? |
| 09:55.52 | Radon_3 | last time I installed from a neinstaller version on DVD, nothing happened the installation was perfect, and the system got booted even better than I expected, the only problems were windows not being detected and my Nvidia graohic card not working |
| 09:56.02 | Radon_3 | anything else was perfect |
| 09:56.12 | Radon_3 | each click gave me a different orgasm |
| 09:56.50 | Radon_3 | a neinstaller version on = a net-installer version on |
| 09:56.59 | Radon_3 | the 200 and so MB installer version |
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| 10:00.06 | Radon_3 | see you in a bit, I will be back from my debian |
| 10:00.13 | Radon_3 | I guess |
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| 10:02.05 | Wug | I don't suppose anyone can help me figure out what command I'd use to install libc++ on debian without upgrading to unstable |
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| 10:02.45 | Wug | the fact that the package name has +'s in it is causing me trouble and backslashes don't seem to be escaping it properly for some unknown reason |
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| 10:03.59 | Wug | apt-get install 'libc\+\+' |
| 10:03.59 | Wug | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.59 | Wug | " |
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| 10:05.03 | Wug | I'm used to ubuntu. you can probably tell. ubuntu 13.10 has this package in its normal repos as libc++-dev so nothing special needs to be done to install it |
| 10:05.26 | rivarun | Wug: single-quotes need no further escaping |
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| 10:06.14 | rivarun | but i don't know about the package itself |
| 10:06.47 | linuxator | how to get the simple scanner application? |
| 10:06.58 | cantoma | Wug, the package doesn't exist in stable but it does in unstable |
| 10:07.12 | cantoma | Wug, in unstable is libc++1 - LLVM C++ Standard library |
| 10:07.17 | bubak | hi, after latest debian-unstable kernel update (linux-image-3.12-1-amd64, 3.12.6-2, amd64, Linux 3.12 for 64-bit PCs) i have terrible iowaits -- it seems it relates to swapping somehow -- i would like to ask if you are experiencing the same problems? (laptop thinkpad t410s, 512 SSD OZC vertex) |
| 10:07.30 | Wug | cantoma: apt-get install 'libc\+\+1/unstable' does not work either |
| 10:07.47 | Wug | also apt-get interprets its argument as a regex hence the extra \s |
| 10:07.50 | AnirudhAnand | I have a problem with debian 7.2. My wifi drivers are missing. I have a ralink network card, which was combatible with previous debian editions but not 7.2 or later. Is there a fix for this ? |
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| 10:08.43 | cantoma | Wug, if you are looking for that package it means you are looking for LLVM |
| 10:08.53 | Wug | that would be correct |
| 10:09.16 | Wug | gcc's libraries do not yet support std::regex, or at least, they didnt lat I checked |
| 10:09.19 | Wug | last* |
| 10:09.20 | daswort | how do i change that one needs admin rights to add a printer? |
| 10:09.22 | cantoma | Wug, do apt-cache search LLVM and have a look at the description of the packages |
| 10:10.02 | Wug | I have and don't see any with the description I expect (for the record I'm not using unstable) |
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| 10:10.08 | Wug | (I just want the one package) |
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| 10:11.53 | cantoma | Wug, I can see llvm-3.1-dev. try that one and check if you can call LLVM libraries inside your c++ code. |
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| 10:12.23 | cantoma | Wug, also llvm-dev |
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| 10:13.12 | cantoma | Wug, I guess apt-get install clang llvm-dev llvm-3.1-dev should do wonders |
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| 10:14.09 | Wug | cantoma: I am pretty sure that doesn't do what I need it to, but I'll try it I guess |
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| 10:15.05 | cantoma | unless you are trying to install some application that is requesting for libc++1 |
| 10:15.12 | cantoma | and nothing else |
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| 10:21.45 | jago25_98 | wine-1.7.5 runs what I need safely on my fedora box. Debian has wine-1.4.1. There is no repository for the unstable version. When I try to install the .deb's manually from http://dev.carbon-project.org/ I don't have the libc6 dep... this is a total PITA... what to do? |
| 10:21.52 | Wug | cantoma: I'm trying to compile an application that I need to build using libc++1 |
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| 10:22.12 | Wug | which is the llvm standard library implementation |
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| 10:23.07 | Xat` | Anyone could help me please about [print$] section from Samba configuration ? I'm able to print out but not to automatically get driver . Thank |
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| 10:26.51 | daswort | https://dpaste.de/aK59 |
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| 10:43.37 | ChrisH | Xat`: I tried once to follow http://www.lamolabs.org/blog/2118/howto-install-windows-print-drivers-onto-a-central-samba-share/ but it stopped somewhere and forgot why. |
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| 10:46.08 | Xat` | ChrisH: each information I get about that it's we need to manually copy the "drivers files" into the print$ share |
| 10:46.38 | Xat` | I thought Windows could do it for us |
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| 10:49.12 | ChrisH | Xat`: Windows and automatically? YOu need to upload the printer driver installer onto the samba server. AFAIK this is the same way any windows admin does it. |
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| 10:50.25 | Xat` | ChrisH: Windows knows the print$ share it's common to NT system ! It should automatically try to upload its drivers files into .. |
| 10:50.31 | Xat` | this is the part I cannot understand |
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| 10:51.37 | ChrisH | Xat`: I stopped understanding Windows at WfW 3.11. but https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba_as_a_print_server#Uploading_printer_drivers_for_Point.27n.27Print_driver_installation looks somehow like uploading stuff |
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| 10:54.54 | Xat` | ChrisH: when I'm installing the printer drivers I'm not installing from disk because the printer model is shown in the list of available driver model |
| 10:55.20 | Xat` | maybe it's required to choose a driver from disk and not from available drivers |
| 10:55.30 | Xat` | (I'm not sure I'm clear here) |
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| 10:59.49 | Xat` | When I'm connecting to the printer, Windows says me it has a driver for me . So I use it, but this doesn't upload the files |
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| 11:00.09 | ChrisH | Xat`: maybe, but I am no windows user :) |
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| 11:05.12 | haykwo | Hi, I don't have internet access on a computer and I downloaded the debian tar package '[vsftpd_2.3.5-3.debian.tar.gz]' from packages.debian.org/de/wheezy/vsftpd and put it on my system. Do I now install it with dpkg or do I have to install it with make/make install? |
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| 11:06.44 | petern_ | You should download the .deb file. |
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| 11:09.28 | Xat` | haykwo: you seems downloaded vsftpd sources |
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| 11:10.18 | Xat` | you could install vsftpd from sources using compilation, or install with dpkg downloading the vsftpd deb file |
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| 11:10.53 | Xat` | ChrisH: yeah I guess :) Thank anyway |
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| 11:23.14 | hyhawand | Found it, thanks. Just had to click an arbitary mirror link on that page |
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| 11:32.48 | ripero | hi; I just got a dell laptop with some kind of uefi windows secure boot, and I want to install a debian (dual boot); do I have to do anything different than I used to without uefi? |
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| 11:33.09 | cortez | How do people who run testing/unstable for their primary desktop/laptop computer deal with the fact that security patches lag so much? |
| 11:33.26 | cortez | I really wanna run one of those releases, but this fact holds me back... |
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| 11:33.48 | somiaj | ripero: yes, uefi requires a special grub which I don't think is present on the wheezy installer. The standard way if your bios alows it is to use the fallback mode and install debian with that |
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| 11:34.12 | somiaj | ripero: once you install debian you can install the efi version of grub and configure it not not need fallback mode but I belive you need that to install boot/install wheezy |
| 11:34.33 | upp | hello, i don't have any named logs on /var/logs/syslog since 4 days?? what can be the Problem ? |
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| 11:34.46 | somiaj | cortez: they deal with it by not having security, and knowing how to fix any bugs that come with upgrades |
| 11:35.18 | cortez | somiaj: i suppose that's the obvious answer |
| 11:35.21 | somiaj | cortez: I personally like sid over testing, sid gets security updates almost as fast as stable (i.e. security upgrades are usually put on the sid version and teh stable version). But sid also is prone to random bugs in the packages you like. |
| 11:35.54 | ripero | sojiam: thank you for the advice; according to http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/ , it seems that there were some problems with the debian installer in uefi mode on amd64 systems (my case) for the 7.0 release... |
| 11:35.54 | somiaj | cortez: I use sid, for a desktop I don't worry about the security to much. I do understand things like apt-listbugs and the bug reports and how to fix my machine when sid breaks it |
| 11:36.05 | cortez | if CUT took off, debian would kill so many derivatives |
| 11:36.19 | cortez | it makes me sad |
| 11:36.43 | ChrisH | upp: a) nothing to log b) filesystem full c) syslogd died d) ? restart syslog would be my option Nr. 1 |
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| 11:36.50 | somiaj | cortez: for my work machine (laptop) I use wheezy as I don't like dealing with bugs. For a production/server stable is the only sane way to go. |
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| 11:37.25 | cortez | yeah except i end up needing so much out-of-repo stuff that it becomes too much maintenance |
| 11:37.49 | somiaj | cortez: backports fill a lot of that gap. But I'm not much of a shine new things person. I still run fvwm as my wm. (: |
| 11:38.03 | cortez | i could never be bothered with that fvwm manpage... so massive |
| 11:38.18 | somiaj | cortez: backports deal with most the hardware limitations of stable, the main thing you miss is the new shiny desktop stuff. |
| 11:38.36 | cortez | yyyeahh |
| 11:38.58 | cortez | i'm running fedora right now and it's reasonably stable, but when bugs hit it's like "aaaaaahhhh kill meeee" |
| 11:39.10 | somiaj | that will be your experience in sid |
| 11:39.10 | cortez | i suppose it's the same with any distro, really |
| 11:39.27 | somiaj | apt-listbugs actually is very good at warning you before upgrading something as it could be buggy |
| 11:39.35 | cortez | yeah but i'm a security paranoid |
| 11:39.40 | cortez | paranoiac? |
| 11:39.43 | cortez | something. |
| 11:39.45 | somiaj | but I'm not one who upgrades every day or even week, most bugs I run across have already been reported by the active upgraders |
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| 11:40.07 | somiaj | cortez: then get the most secure out of date stable system you could run to feed your paranoia. (: |
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| 11:40.41 | somiaj | when you compare debian to other frozen/sercure oses you see it really isn't that out of date (say centos, or openbsd) |
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| 11:41.10 | somiaj | its only out dated when you compare it to production/bleeding edge distros like fedora, etc |
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| 11:43.07 | cortez | somiaj: how's the whole libvirt/spice business in stable? |
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| 11:46.47 | ChrisH | Centos has much older versions in. eg. compare curl versions. curl from 2009 missing --resolve feature. Debian stable is stable and has security support for all packages not only a few selected ones. |
| 11:46.48 | Wug | cantoma: idk if you're still interested in helping but without having libc++ installed I'm seeing exactly the same errors I was on ubuntu when compiling |
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| 11:47.14 | Wug | for anyone else: I need to install one package (and maybe also dependencies) from unstable. How do I go about doing this? |
| 11:47.38 | abrotman | dpkg: tell wug about ssb |
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| 11:48.54 | cortez | reboots for some package updates |
| 11:48.55 | cantoma | Wug, you might consider installing LLVM from source if you want to keep using stable |
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| 11:49.17 | abrotman | Wug: also, which package? |
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| 11:49.32 | Wug | cantoma: that's roughly what the bot told me to do, I think. im still reading it |
| 11:49.45 | Wug | abrotman: libc++1, the LLVM standard library implementation |
| 11:49.59 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Wug about uupdate |
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| 11:50.07 | Wug | all of llvm is in stable except for that one for some reason |
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| 11:50.32 | abrotman | ah, then uupdate may not help, the ssb may be a better bet |
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| 11:54.12 | shovel_boss | how do i update debian? |
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| 11:57.24 | upp | ChrisH:i have restart syslog /etc/init.d/syslog-ng restart but still don't have any logs since 08.01 i have enough disk space also |
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| 11:58.23 | ChrisH | upp: Please check using ps if the process is really new. /etc/init.d/syslog-ng stop ; ps -ef | grep syslog ; kill if needed; /etc/init.d/syslog-ng start |
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| 12:00.06 | Anirudh_Anand | I have a small problem with debian 7.2. Wi-fi driver is missing by default. I was a debian user for past couple of months where this is the first time I am experiencing an issue. |
| 12:00.37 | Anirudh_Anand | my wifi card is ralink. It was working successully on previous debian editions. but not on 7.2 and 7.3 |
| 12:00.44 | Anirudh_Anand | is there a way to fix this ? |
| 12:01.30 | upp | ChrisH:thanks a lot for your help, i have do it the way you tell me, and after grep named /var/log/syslog the last line is about 6 days agos :( |
| 12:01.32 | ChrisH | Anirudh_Anand: missing firmware? any complaints about firmware in dmesg? |
| 12:02.25 | petn-randall | Anirudh_Anand: If you keep your system up-to-date, your 7.0, 7.1 or 7.2 will be equivalent to 7.3. It's just a point release. That being said, it's probably missing firmware. Can you paste the output of 'dmesg' after the device gets activated or plugged in? |
| 12:02.36 | tgs3 | !update |
| 12:02.36 | dpkg | [update] `aptitude update' grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an aptitude upgrade or before looking for stuff with apt-cache search. See also <updates>. |
| 12:03.02 | tgs3 | shovel_boss: aptitude update ; aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 12:05.23 | Anirudh_Anand | itsan inbuilt ralink wifi card |
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| 12:05.40 | Anirudh_Anand | here is the result of dmesg : http://pastebin.com/PCkh69k7 |
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| 12:07.35 | Wug | I give up, im just jumping to unstable |
| 12:07.46 | Wug | clang segfaults when it tries to compile libc++ |
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| 12:08.20 | Wug | surely dist-upgrading to unstable will solve all of my problems and not cause any later. |
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| 12:09.22 | Anirudh_Anand | petn-randall: any useful info's on dmesg ? |
| 12:09.56 | xreal | Is there a free SFTP v6 server for debian? |
| 12:10.03 | ChrisH | Anirudh_Anand: line 256-259 |
| 12:10.39 | Anirudh_Anand | rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw is the problem ? |
| 12:10.53 | ChrisH | Anirudh_Anand: at leasst one problem |
| 12:10.57 | petn-randall | Wug: Wear your hard hat, and you'll loose support in this channel if you do. jessie/sid is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 12:11.31 | Anirudh_Anand | I just remember , I got an error while installing sayining this file is missing and I have to load it from a removable device. |
| 12:11.37 | Wug | I should probably have had the vps configured with ubuntu, since I know how to use it properly |
| 12:11.51 | Anirudh_Anand | ChrisH: What to do now ? |
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| 12:13.03 | Anirudh_Anand | ChrisH: anyway I can install it or something ? |
| 12:13.19 | petern_ | to be fair, compiling libc++ with clang doesn't sound like something in scope of #debian's support |
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| 12:13.35 | Wug | it probably isn't because it's part of sid |
| 12:13.43 | ChrisH | Anirudh_Anand: fix it, install at least firmware-realtek and reboot. If it fails come back and run "/msg dpkg wireless" The bot will respond with some information on wireless cards like detecting and fixing it. |
| 12:13.54 | Wug | which is probably shouldn't be, since the entire rest of llvm is not |
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| 12:14.28 | Anirudh_Anand | ok. Will do it. Thanks ChrisH .. :) |
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| 12:21.21 | shovel_boss | whats the version of gnome when you go with the mouse on the top left corner it opens a window manager |
| 12:21.40 | shovel_boss | i got the latest one but when i go over applications it does nothing |
| 12:21.54 | petern_ | Gnome 3 |
| 12:22.11 | shovel_boss | how do i update gnome? |
| 12:22.12 | Anirudh_Anand | ChrisH: it didn't worked. Can you tell me that command again ? To ask the bot about common wireless problems ? |
| 12:22.36 | petern_ | But not with the mode that I've forgotten its name. |
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| 12:23.29 | ChrisH | Anirudh_Anand: run "/msg dpkg wireless" |
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| 12:25.15 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 12:30.35 | upp | how can i check if syslog work well ? |
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| 12:31.16 | ChrisH | upp: logger -p kern.crit test or logger test2 |
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| 12:32.52 | upp | ChrisH: i can log everything only named not :( |
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| 12:33.56 | oo_miguel | is there some tool that basically does the same thing as pdfunite, but can provide a consistent numbering through all pages |
| 12:34.24 | upp | ChrisH if i restart bind on a working company that can be a problem? |
| 12:35.16 | woshty | Can I have a software equalizer just with alsa? |
| 12:35.54 | ChrisH | upp: I did missunderstand "named" You are talking about the process named from bind. I now understood: syslog is working as expected for all processes but bind/named. is that correct? |
| 12:36.12 | oo_miguel | Ill have a look at pdfjam and pdftk |
| 12:36.15 | themill | oo_miguel: you want to draw page numbers on the merged document after it has been made? |
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| 12:36.32 | upp | ChrisH: yes |
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| 12:37.01 | upp | ChrisH: everythis is logged by syslog very good, bind/named is the only one whos not logged |
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| 12:38.22 | pfote | upp: sure bind is configured to log to syslog? |
| 12:38.45 | upp | pfote: syslog was loggin since 6 days ago |
| 12:39.11 | upp | i have restart syslog-ng, i have enough disk space |
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| 12:39.30 | upp | i don't know why this is happening |
| 12:39.52 | pfote | hrm |
| 12:39.54 | oo_miguel | themill: yes |
| 12:40.42 | ChrisH | upp: restarting bind should not make problems as I assume you have at least 2 nameservers running if you server a company. |
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| 12:41.26 | upp | yes of course, but is restarting is the best idea? |
| 12:41.54 | upp | because to be honest, i have never restart bind service |
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| 12:43.10 | jelly | upp: what did you do then, use rndc only? |
| 12:44.02 | upp | jelly: i don't know what do you mean with rndc |
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| 12:44.44 | jelly | upp: "rndc" is _the_ bind control tool |
| 12:44.46 | ChrisH | upp: depends on what you want. get back to "normal" as fast as possible. restart bind (stop, ps, start; as before) If you would like to understand, use strace to attach to the named and send named a sighup and check if it gets the signal. BTW, kill -HUP would be also a good test for the bind logging |
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| 12:45.13 | jelly | upp: you use it eg. every time a zone file is manually updated |
| 12:45.56 | upp | ChrisH: "kill -HUP" only? |
| 12:46.13 | themill | (the init script's reload just uses rndc anyway) |
| 12:46.28 | jelly | themill: what sanity is this |
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| 12:47.38 | ChrisH | upp: kill -HUP PID-of-named |
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| 13:10.38 | verodeb | hi ppl .. how can i get all the packages and its dependencies onto one folder? |
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| 13:11.07 | verodeb | i mean the installed package in my machine |
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| 13:12.01 | abrotman | you want to repack the package? and its dependencies? |
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| 13:13.22 | Iridos | it's already in the /-folder |
| 13:13.25 | milligan_ | verodeb, I suppose you could do "apt-cache depends {package name}", then do a "aptitude download pack1 pack2 pack3 pack4", etc. |
| 13:13.58 | verodeb | i want to dowload a specific package (postgresql) already installed in my machine and make a forlder with all the dependencies and the package itself (postgresql) |
| 13:15.05 | verodeb | i need it in .deb format |
| 13:15.08 | milligan_ | verodeb, script what I posted above :) Should be fairly easy. |
| 13:15.18 | themill | "all dependencies" actually isn't as simple as it sounds btw |
| 13:15.31 | tilt | libc6 will definately be a dependency :D |
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| 13:15.53 | tilt | and having a computer :) |
| 13:16.04 | verodeb | ok just the dependencies needed to transport it to an offline wheezy machine |
| 13:16.05 | verodeb | ? |
| 13:16.12 | verodeb | :) |
| 13:16.19 | tilt | verodeb: get the deian installtion cds |
| 13:16.54 | verodeb | that sounds a good idea |
| 13:16.59 | tilt | then you can add them as repos using apt-cdrom on the offline machine |
| 13:17.08 | tilt | should be the safest bet |
| 13:17.11 | Iridos | verodeb, do apt-get install <packagename> --uri-only > somefile on the offline-machine, then wget -f somefile on the online-machine |
| 13:17.14 | themill | verodeb: for that, you might like to look at apt-offline or similar. You need to go back and forth between the two machines a couple of times |
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| 13:17.23 | themill | dpkg: tell verodeb about apt-offline |
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| 13:18.03 | Iridos | verodeb, sorry, --print-uris instead of "--uri-only" it was from memory :) |
| 13:18.19 | abrotman | verodeb: apt-zip |
| 13:18.27 | tilt | apt-fnord :D |
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| 13:19.04 | verodeb | i should do add deb cdrom:[WHOLE NAME OF THE CDROM]/ wheezy contrib main |
| 13:19.24 | verodeb | is this a correct format, because i already have the cd |
| 13:19.44 | tilt | verodeb: use apt-drom, it's easiest |
| 13:20.22 | tilt | verodeb: it does exactly that, just without the typing errors ;) |
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| 13:20.43 | verodeb | is this the format? deb cdrom:[WHOLE NAME OF THE CDROM]/ wheezy contrib main |
| 13:21.10 | tilt | i only know cdrom entries from deleting them :> |
| 13:21.20 | verodeb | :( |
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| 13:21.50 | tilt | verodeb: make sure the cd is in the drive, do apt-cdrom add |
| 13:21.59 | tilt | verodeb: enjoy the magic ;) |
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| 13:23.33 | Iridos | (hmp. what I suggested albeit needs the machine to have been online before to get the package lists from the servers) |
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| 13:23.52 | verodeb | yep Iridos :) |
| 13:23.58 | verodeb | ty |
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| 13:24.20 | Iridos | (so I guess apt-zip the other solutions are indeed more viable) |
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| 13:48.17 | skyroveRR | Hello, I am trying to run an automated chat script http://sprunge.us/CWOQ?bash in cron, however the script always returns an exit status 2 when I tail /var/log/cron, any guesses? |
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| 13:48.22 | skyroveRR | Jan 14 19:14:32 wdn1 crond[1397]: exit status 2 from user rico /home/rico/documents/ |
| 13:48.24 | skyroveRR | scripts/active/cron/nokia |
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| 13:48.42 | skyroveRR | And I do have the chat command in cron's PATH. |
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| 13:55.31 | guest43242 | hi |
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| 13:57.28 | guest43242 | something doesn't make sense. I made a ramfs which have 1200,000,000 bytes, and did swapoff -a, so I have no swap now, and yet my memory usage applet shows only 1200MB used |
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| 13:58.09 | jelly | guest43242: now go and fill that ramfs with stuff |
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| 13:59.06 | petn-randall | :> |
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| 14:00.26 | guest43242 | jelly, i filled ramfs with about 1.2GB |
| 14:01.11 | jelly | guest43242: of zeros, or something else? |
| 14:02.04 | guest43242 | jelly, files |
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| 14:03.27 | jelly | guest43242: ok, and what does free -m say? |
| 14:03.34 | petn-randall | guest43242: I don't know if ramfs uses compression by default, but the numbers look plausible to me. |
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| 14:06.01 | guest43242 | http://paste.debian.net/76154/ |
| 14:06.09 | guest43242 | it changed now |
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| 14:07.34 | jelly | guest43242: that seems reasonable |
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| 14:09.19 | brontosaurusrex | any known issues if compiling stuff inside "screen" ? |
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| 14:10.22 | jelly | brontosaurusrex: no, why do you ask? |
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| 14:11.14 | brontosaurusrex | jelly, just wondering, it will be a long compile ... |
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| 14:14.32 | jelly | brontosaurusrex: well, running under screen is recommended if you're connected remotely and need to disconnect or expect a disconnect |
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| 14:14.59 | brontosaurusrex | thats what I have |
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| 14:25.34 | benallard | Hi, I'm looking for a guide on how to setup a local package archive for sbuild. |
| 14:26.08 | benallard | I'm investigating it as an alternative for pbuilder, and I'm missing this part ... |
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| 14:31.54 | benallard | To be clear, I ned some local dependencies to be present to build some packages of mine, so I ned to instruct my sbuild environment to mount a directory from my local fs, and add it to its apt.source list. |
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| 14:32.45 | palli | Is there a problem with http.debian.net ? I get 404 on http://http.debian.net/debian |
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| 14:34.16 | CissWit | try http://http.debian.net/debian/ |
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| 14:36.12 | palli | Ah took me a while to see the difference :) |
| 14:36.18 | palli | Ouch official docker images for jessie use debian without the trailing slash |
| 14:37.21 | ksk | lol, seems they have a strange setup over there. imho debian standard apache config rewrites the request to one that ends with trailing slash |
| 14:37.31 | jelly | palli: give the authors a virtual spanking |
| 14:38.05 | palli | jelly, which reminds me, i haven't seen anyone use that large trout for years. |
| 14:38.41 | jelly | palli: large trouts usage for slapping is reason for ban on sight |
| 14:39.40 | palli | Which seems to have caused a huge increase in the trout stock for the past years. |
| 14:40.24 | BotaniCar|2 | superpenguins can substitute trouts, slap-wise |
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| 14:42.36 | jelly | fuck no |
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| 14:43.47 | tilt | slaps tilt around a bit with a large superpenguin. |
| 14:43.55 | tilt | :> |
| 14:44.03 | tilt | hmm, not quite the same |
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| 14:46.49 | benallard | Is #debian-devel a better place for my question about sbuild ? |
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| 14:48.55 | somiaj | benallard: you can ask it here and see if you get a response. Depending on your actual question #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net can be a good place to ask about building packages |
| 14:49.04 | jelly | benallard: you could try that, and while you're on OFTC you might try #debian there as well |
| 14:51.32 | benallard | somiaj: look above, I'm trying to setup a local package archive for my sbuild environment. |
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| 14:55.04 | somiaj | benallard: so the question is more, 'how do I set up a local debian archive?' |
| 14:55.36 | somiaj | benallard: once you have the chroot setup, you may have to manually chroot and add it to your sources.list (not sure how scriptable sbuild is as I haven't used it). But I think that is your best bet |
| 14:56.17 | somiaj | benallard: you might even be able to set up a local caching archive along with adding your custom packages to it, that way you can actually download/build the whole chroot from the local archive and it will cache the packages you actually use. |
| 14:56.37 | Xat` | Please guys I need some help about setting drivers on Samba/Cups : http://pastebin.com/bSUMq7tC |
| 14:57.45 | somiaj | benallard: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository -- would something like that point you into the right direction? |
| 14:57.58 | benallard | somiaj: I already have a working environment for pbuilder, I'm just investigating sbuild as an alternative. So I've already got my local archive, I just want to instruct my sbuild environment to use it. |
| 14:58.27 | benallard | somiaj: No, that part is working fine. |
| 14:59.29 | bubak | cz.dain.common.spring.TransactionSupport#commitAndBegin |
| 14:59.44 | benallard | The point is, pbuilder make this specific operation very easy: 2 config line in my .pbuilderrc |
| 15:00.13 | benallard | (OTHERMIRROR and BINDMOUNTS) |
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| 15:01.12 | somiaj | ahh, yea not sure where the best place to get advice on sbuild may be, the man page or additional docs in /usr/share/doc/sbuild don't have any info on what to do for a local mirror? |
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| 15:05.34 | benallard | somiaj: I did not found much .... Will look further, thanks for the pointers ! |
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| 15:13.24 | somiaj | benallard: the wiki page seems to suggest you manually edit it. The two things I found was '--archive=' for the sbuild command, and you can configure a an $externam_commands = { 'chroot-setup-commands' => ['some script'] } |
| 15:14.01 | somiaj | benallard: so maybe you'll have to set up a custom script to add your local repo to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/foo and update it before the build process begings. |
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| 15:20.51 | Zoohouse | Hello everyone |
| 15:21.12 | Zoohouse | What's the channel for the debian mentor channel? |
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| 15:22.25 | nkuttler | !mentors |
| 15:22.25 | dpkg | from memory, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 15:24.08 | Zoohouse | nkuttler, ah, there it is, #debian-mentors. I was puting the 'mentor' prefix before debian. Thanks. |
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| 15:24.26 | nkuttler | Zoohouse: nah, they're all #debian-foo ;) |
| 15:24.50 | Zoohouse | I've been hanging out with Ubuntu folks too long |
| 15:24.52 | Zoohouse | haha |
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| 15:32.02 | caraconan | Hi there. Can somebody please explain me the '+' symbol in this output? http://paste.debian.net/76174/ Thanks |
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| 15:33.43 | petern_ | Presumably means it's cropped. On my system it shows the uid instead of name if it's too long. |
| 15:33.56 | caraconan | Thanks |
| 15:35.04 | xednix | caraconan: + - is in the foreground process group. from "man ps" |
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| 15:35.37 | caraconan | xednix: thanks, but then is a little bit confusing since the user is somehow cropped |
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| 15:36.04 | xhc_[slovakia] | hi .. is there some options for colorizing aptitude prompts? :-) |
| 15:36.27 | xednix | caraconan: oh, indeed. my bad, didn't notice |
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| 15:55.40 | veek | hey, how do i turn off a core in wheezy cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/online doesn't exist |
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| 15:56.32 | nplus | not a strictly debian question.. but I wasn't sure what channel to ask in (feel free to redirect me). I've got 1 IP, multiple domains.. setting up apache on 1 server is simple enough.. but what if I want multiple servers (1 server per domain) anyone got a clue how to set that up? |
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| 15:57.30 | mamtina | lo |
| 15:57.43 | Deeps | nplus: the way you've phrased that makes it difficult to be sure what exactly you're asking, but I suspect you're wanting to have multiple domains served off the same box, each with their own set of files? |
| 15:57.45 | ksk | nplus: something like google: "apache multi domain hosting" |
| 15:57.56 | Deeps | nplus: if so, apache virtualhosts are what you're after |
| 15:58.33 | nplus | Deeps: I'd like to have multiple VMs 1 per domain |
| 15:59.08 | nplus | 1 VM and multiple domains is pretty straight forward |
| 15:59.27 | ksk | whats a vm in apache context? |
| 16:00.03 | nplus | virtual machine running debian |
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| 16:00.10 | ksk | if you are asking "how can i setup virtualisation to have a virtual env for every apache-domain combo i run" please rephrase your question |
| 16:00.13 | Deeps | nplus: so you have a server which has a single internet routable IP, and you want to host multiple virtual machine environents on this box, each with their own apache instance, and have domains seamlessly connect to the appropriate VM? |
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| 16:00.41 | nplus | Deeps: correct |
| 16:01.08 | xtudiyv | jelly: https://plus.google.com/106906536527614271778/about |
| 16:01.11 | Deeps | nplus: if so, short version, no. longer version, only if you specify a different destination port as well; longer version still, unless you can find a web browser that supports SRV records |
| 16:01.29 | nplus | The issue is all the traffic is coming in on 1 IP and 1 port, then it needs to route the traffic based on the domain to the appropriate server. (note I don't know how feasible this is) |
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| 16:01.40 | nplus | Deeps: OK thanks |
| 16:01.55 | Deeps | nplus: well, actually, you can run a proxy on the vm host, which then proxies traffic to the correct internal IP |
| 16:02.08 | nplus | hmm ok |
| 16:02.24 | nplus | thanks again, i'll look into that |
| 16:02.29 | Deeps | squid could be useful |
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| 16:02.45 | Deeps | alternatively, reverse proxy in apache may also do what you want |
| 16:02.58 | Deeps | in both cases, running on the vm host machine, |
| 16:03.07 | Deeps | (as well as another apache instance in the vm itself) |
| 16:03.15 | nplus | gotcha |
| 16:03.28 | Deeps | good luck, have fun |
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| 16:05.37 | kaie | On bootup, if there isn't a X display manager, the system will stop at a text-mode login. Immediately prior to showing it, the screen is erased, and all bootup messages are no longer shown. How can I prevent that text mode screen from being erased? |
| 16:05.38 | kaie | background: I'm using a derivate of debian. I have a question related to startup scripts. After an upgrade, my display manager is no longer starting automatically. I want to see the error messages that is briefly visible during execution of the system startup scripts, which is shown very briefly, so I cannot read it. |
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| 16:06.24 | Deeps | kaie: have you looked at /var/log/syslog? |
| 16:06.32 | Deeps | or other files in /var/log? |
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| 16:06.40 | eblip | hi i have just tared a tar.gz file |
| 16:06.47 | eblip | i dont know how to complete the build |
| 16:06.50 | kaie | Deeps, yes it's not there. It's a message like like "since something got converted in S20gdm bla bla" |
| 16:07.10 | eblip | there is a README FILE THERe but it is empty |
| 16:07.11 | mtn | kaie: it is best to go to the proper channel for your os, we don't know what they have changed. |
| 16:07.30 | kaie | mtn, I believe my core question is very generic. |
| 16:07.37 | kaie | I just found http://serverfault.com/questions/255969/prevent-the-console-from-clearing-the-screen which I'll try |
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| 16:07.52 | mtn | kaie: yes, it may be, but it is off topic for this channel. only debian is supported here. |
| 16:08.14 | kaie | mtn, suppose I had a debian 6 system. How would I solve my problem on that system? |
| 16:08.24 | kaie | that's the only thing I'm asking for |
| 16:08.37 | eblip | does anyone know how to build a tar.gz file |
| 16:08.38 | kaie | the problem that the screen gets cleared |
| 16:08.39 | eblip | on debian |
| 16:08.41 | mtn | kaie: I suppose that you should stop evading the point, which is your distro is not supported here |
| 16:09.05 | jelly | xtudiyv: could have asked me, then it would not have taken you 20 minutes to find my g+ page |
| 16:09.16 | Deeps | eblip: are you trying to create a tarball from a number of files, or are you trying to untar an exsting tar.gz? |
| 16:09.40 | eblip | Deeps: |
| 16:09.45 | eblip | i have the tar ball |
| 16:09.49 | eblip | i have extracted it |
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| 16:10.00 | eblip | and am left with a lot of files and a couple of directories |
| 16:10.08 | eblip | dont know where to go from here |
| 16:10.18 | Deeps | if it's some software, you'll need to contact the author |
| 16:10.20 | eblip | i have read some stuff about make or ./config |
| 16:10.31 | eblip | not sure which to use |
| 16:10.41 | eblip | the readme file with the software is empty |
| 16:10.41 | Deeps | best to see if it's already bundled in debian, raher than compiling from source though |
| 16:10.50 | eblip | no it isnt bundled already |
| 16:11.01 | Deeps | then you'll need to contact the application developer |
| 16:11.06 | benallard | somiaj: I got it to work, by manually editing my chroot, and binding my local path inside the chroot. |
| 16:11.11 | eblip | ah ok |
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| 16:11.14 | Deeps | I can offer some generic advice that may work, but beyond that, you'll really need to contact the app developer |
| 16:11.26 | eblip | yes that is what i wanted ...generic advice |
| 16:11.38 | Deeps | if it's an application that needs to be compiled from source, you could run |
| 16:11.40 | Deeps | ./configure |
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| 16:11.45 | Deeps | followed by: make |
| 16:11.51 | Deeps | followed by (as root): make install |
| 16:12.18 | Deeps | if you don't want to install it across the whole system, run ./configure --prefix=/home/eblip/appname |
| 16:12.24 | ripero | the last point release of debian is 7.3, but the last live cd's are 7.2 and 3 months old... when should we expect 7.3 live cd's? |
| 16:12.33 | Deeps | and then when you make install, it will install to /home/eblip/appname/ |
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| 16:12.46 | eblip | ah great stuff |
| 16:12.58 | eblip | i couldnt find this on the debian wiki |
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| 16:13.19 | styks1987 | I am trying to run php 5.3 and 5.4 on our debian squeeze box. I have set this up on my mac but I cannot get the vhost to load the correct version per site on our server. It forces php 5.4 which is installed as the apache module. I want to run 5.3 via cgi. |
| 16:13.19 | styks1987 | This is my php default version |
| 16:13.19 | styks1987 | PHP Version 5.4.23-1~dotdeb.0 |
| 16:13.29 | styks1987 | I am following this: http://www.gingerleprechaun.com/php/multiple_versions_php_with_apache_on_osx |
| 16:13.51 | eblip | thanks Deeps |
| 16:14.10 | jhutchins | styks1987: WHat does this have to do with Debian? |
| 16:14.29 | jhutchins | styks1987: Nevermind, I though you were running on osx. |
| 16:14.33 | petn-randall | styks1987: I'd upgrade to wheezy before you do anything. Support for squeeze runs out in May. |
| 16:15.05 | styks1987 | will I be able to install php 5.3 on that? I assume |
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| 16:15.51 | xtudiyv | make sure its a transparent proxie |
| 16:16.13 | styks1987 | xtudiyv: what does that mean |
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| 16:17.04 | xtudiyv | i was tallking to nplus |
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| 16:17.59 | xtudiyv | jelly: more like 5 seconds |
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| 16:18.29 | styks1987 | petn-randall: will upgrading overwrite my configurations for php currently? |
| 16:18.45 | xtudiyv | i must say your are good at faking profiles |
| 16:18.56 | jelly | !ops xtudiyv, ignorefail troll, spillover from #d-o |
| 16:18.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: xtudiyv, ignorefail troll, spillover from #d-o |
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| 16:19.19 | arthurfiggis | hello :) are there any other groups besides "fuse" that you have to be in to be able to mount an ntfs-formatted drive? i've added myself to that group but i'm still getting an error message whenever i try to mount a usb trive |
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| 16:21.02 | xtudiyv | usb drives are usually fat32 formated |
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| 16:22.27 | Mikaela | They are often formatted to NTFS if you need bigger files than 4gb with them. At least with USB HDDs. |
| 16:22.37 | xtudiyv | you probablly need ntfs-3g |
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| 16:23.39 | kaie | I hope not many like "mtn" act on that point of view. I work on the NSS security library, which is used in many distributions, including debian. If someone approaches me with a general question, I try to help them. I don't tell them to go away because I'm not working on the particular distribution they use. |
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| 16:23.59 | kaie | I solved my problem by using a camera and making a photograph of the screen. |
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| 16:25.10 | xtudiyv | kaie: point noted im using win8 and still help out people with debian |
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| 16:27.25 | fishsponge | is there a simple command to do this: http://paste.debian.net/76184/ i.e. split each line to maximum of 50 chars long, but not splitting the words, and then if there's spaces at the start of each line, put the same spaces at the start of the new lines it's generating |
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| 16:28.10 | arthurfiggis | Mikaela: that's the reason i'm trying to get it working with ntfs, yes :) ntfs-3g is already installed as well...hmm |
| 16:28.39 | mutante | known bug that ssh-add (agent) doesn't get ecdsa keys (created with ssh-keygen -t ecdsa) (Error reading response length from authentication socket) ? it works just fine to use them with ssh -i, just the agent doesnt seem to get them |
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| 16:34.58 | anonnumberanon | While transfering large files in home network ssh is a little slow, how else can I transfer? |
| 16:35.08 | babilen | abk xtudiyv |
| 16:35.12 | anonnumberanon | I only know scp |
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| 16:39.30 | niko | babilen: with gateway/web/freenode/ you can use ip, it will works for both gateway and direct connect |
| 16:41.20 | gnu-man | Does the ipxe package also integrate ipxe into the system? |
| 16:41.35 | gnu-man | Because some initrd / boot stuff happened during package config. |
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| 16:45.20 | gnu-man | anyone? :) |
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| 16:45.55 | jelly | niko: this one was connected on freenode and kiwiirc separately |
| 16:46.19 | bars0 | Hi all! I havd Nvidia GTX560 Ti card and I am thinking of installing Nvidia latest binary driver. I am using Debian 7 64bits. What do you think people about. Does anoybody installed this driver already? Is it working well with debian 7? |
| 16:46.51 | bars0 | Nvidia driver version is 331.38 |
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| 16:47.54 | ctmjr | !tell bars0 about nvidia |
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| 16:48.43 | arthurfiggis | bars0: I have...roughly the same card, the backported nvidia drivers for wheezy are at 319.x (i'd have to check for the specific version number), but a lot of patches from later versions are ported back as well..so you might want to look at that first :) |
| 16:48.49 | arthurfiggis | (just to save yourself some trouble) |
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| 16:49.49 | Aku506b | I updated to Debian testing but after that GUI will no longer start. What can I do to fix this? |
| 16:49.51 | petn-randall | anonnumberanon: NFS, Samba, pick a network filesystem of your choice :) |
| 16:50.14 | petn-randall | Aku506b: jessie/sid are supported on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, head over there for support. |
| 16:50.33 | Aku506b | Okey |
| 16:51.31 | bars0 | arthurfiggis: ok, thanks. I'll try driver from backports first. |
| 16:51.38 | brontosaurusrex | anonnumberanon, ftp even, how fast is the server? (ssh my actually saturate the cpu in some cases) |
| 16:52.45 | arthurfiggis | bars0: i haven't actually tried the official nvidia driver installer in a long time so i have no idea how well it works...or how easy it is to reverse the changes if it doesn't work :( there might be an #nvidia or something similar that would know more about installing it in debian |
| 16:52.49 | anonnumberanon | petn-randall, how fast? It's a tiny notebook. Connected via ethernet. |
| 16:52.55 | anonnumberanon | brontosaurusrex, |
| 16:53.11 | Xat` | I have a samba with ldap backend, please explain me what's the pdbedit command in my use case ! thank you |
| 16:53.30 | petn-randall | anonnumberanon: <---------------------------------------------> in a second. |
| 16:53.34 | petn-randall | anonnumberanon: (not for scale) |
| 16:54.16 | anonnumberanon | hehe I was answering brontosaurusrex who asked : "how fast is the server?" |
| 16:54.44 | anonnumberanon | (also I wish your diagram was to scale, what are you doing?) |
| 16:55.04 | brontosaurusrex | well, my old server will get 100% cpu usage with only about 3 scp transfers at the same time |
| 16:56.01 | mutante | use bogomips?:) |
| 16:56.10 | petn-randall | anonnumberanon: Ok, serious now: Check if it's CPU bound. With wireless you can easily hit the network maximum, then changing the protocol won't help with performance. |
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| 16:56.27 | gnu-man | Does the ipxe package also integrate ipxe into the system? |
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| 16:56.29 | gnu-man | Because some initrd / boot stuff happened during package config. |
| 16:56.44 | quique | babilen: I have two hds and managed to install wheezy on /dev/sdb in scm, however it now doesn't appear as an boot option, any ideas of what I need to do now? |
| 16:56.56 | gnu-man | I just want to use the ipxe.pxe. |
| 16:57.07 | brontosaurusrex | anonnumberanon, wireless? |
| 16:57.53 | quique | babilen: you know what I installed it on a gpt partition table, maybe I need to put the proper files in the EFI partition |
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| 17:01.02 | arthurfiggis | ahh..looks like i'm being bitten by this bug :( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631504 commenting out the line in /etc/fstab for the drive got it working with ntfs-3g properly again |
| 17:01.07 | arthurfiggis | (that was suggested somewhere else) |
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| 17:02.52 | gnu-man | abrotman: hi |
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| 17:07.41 | anonnumberanon | can anyone vouch for gFTP ? |
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| 17:13.27 | arthurfiggis | anonnumberanon: well, i can't say i've used gftp since the early 2000's, although i remember it being good at the time? :) if you were looking for an ftp/sftp/etc client that's fairly recent, filezilla looks goood |
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| 17:15.30 | JuanDaugherty | http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/xalan has a diff to apply anybod know of a pointer page on that |
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| 17:15.36 | JuanDaugherty | have used patch |
| 17:15.50 | str3 | hey |
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| 17:15.51 | str3 | HEY |
| 17:15.52 | str3 | hey! |
| 17:15.54 | str3 | listen! |
| 17:15.56 | JuanDaugherty | unclear what assumptions in debian are |
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| 17:16.00 | petn-randall | JuanDaugherty: What are you trying to do? |
| 17:16.14 | JuanDaugherty | apply that patch to the source in the tarball |
| 17:16.16 | str3 | you can use the Z trigger to lock on to an enemy! |
| 17:16.19 | petn-randall | str3: Please be kind and don't spam the channel. If you have a support question, go ahead. |
| 17:16.48 | str3 | whats the difference between the weekly and daily builds of testing? |
| 17:17.05 | JuanDaugherty | petn-randall, (the diff that's in anothe tarball to the .orig file) |
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| 17:17.27 | JuanDaugherty | the signature diff and orig are the only things on the page |
| 17:18.08 | JuanDaugherty | im sure it's just like patch -p1 something but the something, the deb assumptions that's why I'm here |
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| 17:20.08 | JuanDaugherty | the patch file seems to want a debian directory |
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| 17:24.17 | JuanDaugherty | oh great found an already patched in ubuntu as a regular tarbal |
| 17:24.24 | JuanDaugherty | l |
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| 17:25.01 | D4v33 | does any one know about embedian here, I need some help! |
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| 17:26.16 | JuanDaugherty | fuck another goddamn patch |
| 17:26.21 | ASUChander | Hi, I'm trying to find an HVM Xen image for squeeze to use within EC2 - any ideas as to where one might be? |
| 17:26.36 | ASUChander | I saw that in 2012 there was some work in that direction, but it looks like there was no progress after that? |
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| 17:28.24 | JuanDaugherty | knows it's a whack ass name. |
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| 17:30.16 | laigualdad | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.42 | zinx | laigualdad: don't know that many are non-free at this point |
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| 17:30.59 | laigualdad | ah :( |
| 17:31.26 | zinx | looks like BCM203x is nonfree |
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| 17:32.35 | zinx | laigualdad: i would just find one you like, and check to see which driver it needs |
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| 17:32.51 | ASUChander | Is it possible to get an HVM kernel for/with squeeze? |
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| 17:33.22 | laigualdad | zinx, someone in fsf directed me to this :) http://h-node.org/bluetooth/catalogue/en/1/1/undef/undef/yes/undef/undef/undef |
| 17:33.29 | Yoshi1 | do the gregtech item pipes pull from chests? |
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| 17:34.29 | zinx | laigualdad: i'd guess it's out of date / incomplete though, googling the adapter's model number + linux or debian will generally tell you if it has free or nonfree drivers/firmware |
| 17:34.51 | zinx | laigualdad: and afaik most adapters these days do have free drivers/firmware, maybe wrong though |
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| 17:38.07 | n2diy | Ctrl+Alt+Del does not shutdown my box. I checked /etc/inittab, and the command is there, and uncommented? |
| 17:38.41 | abrotman | gnu-man: hi? |
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| 17:44.26 | JuanDaugherty | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1277148 had it |
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| 17:45.12 | gnu-man | Does the ipxe package also integrate ipxe into the system? |
| 17:45.14 | gnu-man | Because some initrd / boot stuff happened during package config. |
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| 17:45.17 | gnu-man | (Debian package ipxe) |
| 17:45.23 | gnu-man | I just want to use the ipxe.pxe. |
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| 17:46.24 | sweb | is there any solution for autoconfig in debian |
| 17:46.36 | JuanDaugherty | stuff will happen gnu-man |
| 17:47.01 | JuanDaugherty | maybe a lil more detail sweb? |
| 17:47.03 | sweb | installing packages ,, configure apt sources , configure packages |
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| 17:47.37 | sweb | for example configure nginx, php, mysql, postix and etc for web app soultion for example |
| 17:47.54 | JuanDaugherty | thank heaven for lil debs, they grow up in the most delite ful waz |
| 17:49.13 | gnu-man | JuanDaugherty from which I don't know if he is a troll, left already... |
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| 17:50.14 | abrotman | gnu-man: did you need something, or just being friendly? |
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| 17:56.37 | atrapado | I think apt-get install <package> should ask for confirmation [Y/n]? in all cases (even when no additional packages are to be installed). |
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| 17:57.18 | petern_ | Just in case you type it accidentally? |
| 17:57.58 | atrapado | maybe, but also to check whether there are dependencies to be installed or not. |
| 17:58.09 | abrotman | what ? |
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| 17:58.22 | abrotman | you just said, there are no other packages .. dependences satisfied |
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| 17:58.48 | atrapado | yes, but i do not know in advance whether there are dependences or not |
| 17:59.02 | atrapado | should give a chance to check |
| 17:59.09 | ScottE | atrapado: Try -s |
| 17:59.28 | abrotman | atrapado: apt-cache show foo, look for yourself |
| 17:59.45 | atrapado | i know -s |
| 17:59.54 | ScottE | atrapado: so use it :-) |
| 18:00.25 | atrapado | ok, but it would be more uniform if asked always |
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| 18:02.23 | atrapado | you could say: try -s or apt-cache even when there are more packages to install (never ask) |
| 18:03.04 | abrotman | atrapado: file a wishlist bug against the package |
| 18:03.34 | atrapado | ok abrotman, i will think about it |
| 18:03.41 | ScottE | atrapado: aptitude has a -P that might cover your case |
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| 18:04.16 | abrotman | atrapado: if you don't, no one will fulfill your dream |
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| 18:04.18 | atrapado | ok ScottE |
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| 18:05.26 | atrapado | i think so, abrotman |
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| 18:05.55 | atrapado | just thinking whether apt-get remove behaves the same way |
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| 18:06.34 | atrapado | *checking |
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| 18:08.23 | DarkEnergy | What I'm doing wrong? I cant set apt-preferences pin. My setup Debian sid only listens to APT::Default-Release "sid"; and pin every archive which have sid as the argument on 990 everything else stay on 500 even if I have pinned testing sid experiment and some regular expressions on different values |
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| 18:12.03 | gnu-man | So I ran `cowbuilder --create` and in the console output I can see something about distribution 'sid'. |
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| 18:12.08 | gnu-man | But I want to use it for stable. |
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| 18:14.57 | abrotman | DarkEnergy: you'd have to show us the file |
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| 18:19.33 | n2diy | Ctrl+Alt+Del does not shutdown my box. I checked /etc/inittab, and the command is there, and uncommented? |
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| 18:20.54 | DarkEnergy | Of course abrotman here it is my /etc/apt/preferences I tried to change it with adding other options but pins stay on 500 http://pastebin.com/LW2yzGX0 |
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| 18:24.29 | abrotman | DarkEnergy: and what is wrong there? |
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| 18:30.14 | DarkEnergy | This is problem http://pastebin.com/DhpF3Gdx |
| 18:30.30 | DarkEnergy | All pins are on 500 |
| 18:32.53 | DarkEnergy | abrotman, Also is there a need to put file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ or it is needed to be in /etc/apt/ folder I have tried it with putting it and on one and on other location |
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| 18:34.57 | DarkEnergy | I have big sources.list but everything but pinning works. Ican trim it maybe a bit but debian doesnt have AUR so we need to install sometimes from various PPA or to build packages ourselves |
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| 18:35.46 | n2diy | Ah ha! I don't have an /etc/shutdown.allow file. |
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| 18:37.47 | koell | hi is there a good way to convert docx (and the excel ms office format) to pdf via terminal? |
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| 18:39.58 | arthurfiggis | koell: well...cups has a pdf backend, i guess you could print the docx in whatever you're reading it in and configure cups to put the pdf file in an appropriate place :) never used it though |
| 18:40.59 | koell | arthurfiggis: so cups can handle/convert docx files? i tend to use a CLI version, because im on lubuntu and dont want to use those big libreoffice applications. |
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| 18:45.32 | arthurfiggis | koell: oh, well the "workaround" that i suggested there assumed that you had something to open/work with the docx file already, sorry :( haven't seen anything yet that could convert them on the command line |
| 18:46.14 | arthurfiggis | koell: however, if libreoffice is too large, you might want to consider abiword :) i've heard a lot of good things about it and in comparison to libreoffice it's relatively light...it's the most likely thing i can think of that would work in your situation anyway |
| 18:46.24 | brontosaurusrex | koell, maybe abiword --to=PDF -o some.pdf some.docx |
| 18:47.15 | koell | arthurfiggis: i already use abiword and gnumeric here in lubuntu. its the best application for me to work with. |
| 18:47.28 | koell | brontosaurusrex: oh does abiword also work on the cli with parameters? O_o |
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| 18:48.03 | brontosaurusrex | "abiword --to=PDF -o some.pdf some.docx" < should be an example, but not tested by /me |
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| 18:49.28 | koell | brontosaurusrex: i'll try that, would be cool! |
| 18:49.38 | brontosaurusrex | or "libreoffice --headless -convert-to pdf fileToConvert.docx -outdir output/path/for/pdf" |
| 18:49.49 | brontosaurusrex | (again not tested by /me) |
| 18:50.00 | koell | arthurfiggis: does libreoffice has the "best" support for docx files? |
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| 18:51.22 | arthurfiggis | koell: well...out of the ones that i've tried, openoffice and libreoffice have the best support for docx files out of the box, as good as you can expect anyway...they were about equal :) if you use libreoffice though, i'd recommend installing the latest version from the website...i found the one included with wheezy (on my system anyway) would occasionally freeze up when moving cells around... |
| 18:51.24 | arthurfiggis | ...in spreadsheets |
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| 18:51.51 | arthurfiggis | libreoffice 4.1.4.2 seemed to fx that problem for me, but that might not even happen in your case :) |
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| 18:52.45 | koell | arthurfiggis: thanks too! docx on linux just sucks, sadly. |
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| 18:53.27 | brontosaurusrex | ok, tested both, libreoffice works way better |
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| 18:54.20 | arthurfiggis | brontosaurusrex: yeah, i find the compatibility in general for docx in particular with libreoffice was very good...like i said, as good as you can expect :) especially as of versions 4.1 and so on, but the version in backports for wheezy is good too |
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| 18:55.02 | brontosaurusrex | I seem to LibreOffice 4.1.4.2 410m0(Build:2) < thats probably backports |
| 18:55.46 | koell | sad :( |
| 18:55.56 | arthurfiggis | i think libreoffice generally incorporates patches and new features much quicker, which (i think) is part of the reason why they forked from libreoffice in the first place..the last version of openoffice i used was just decent |
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| 18:56.06 | koell | all teachers at our school work with ms office 2013 :( |
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| 18:56.46 | brontosaurusrex | koell, the true is that most people should work with notepad or nano |
| 18:56.54 | arthurfiggis | koell: well, you could potentially arrange to connect to a machine there via remote desktop and work with office 2013 that way :) for that matter i don't know if playonlinux/wine might support it now |
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| 18:57.50 | koell | brontosaurusrex: im also for a better world with only plain txt files :) |
| 18:58.14 | koell | arthurfiggis: i would like to be independent of m$ shit :) |
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| 18:59.53 | arthurfiggis | koell: for most of the people that i've tried it out on, once i installed libreoffice for them a lot of them didn't really notice the difference between the two...granted they're not computer experts, more like my relatives :) but they're functional enough that people are willing to download them and try them out, so the more people who do... |
| 19:00.40 | brontosaurusrex | pro writers will spot the differences, but not most casual typers |
| 19:01.12 | arthurfiggis | i find the best way to promote that kind of thing is to talk to someone who's thinking of buying office and telling them they can get everything they need (i.e. the basics like brontosaurusrex is saying) for nothing online from a quick download...sold :) |
| 19:01.13 | brontosaurusrex | but even pro writers are mostly happy with libre |
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| 19:01.37 | koell | this isn't true. the most people just stick on the ribbon UI, while linux applications still use old-style dropdowns :( |
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| 19:02.02 | koell | i would like to see more applications like kingsoft office |
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| 19:04.25 | dbb | hi all - silly question .. new machine, debian 7, remote server.. adduser dbb; adduser dbb sudo; su dbb; sudo ls => sudo: command not found ?? |
| 19:05.07 | dbb | I would like to get that straight before cutting off root login ;-) |
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| 19:05.40 | Mikaela | Is sudo installed? |
| 19:05.50 | dbb | oh ? it has to be installed ? |
| 19:05.58 | dbb | weird - ok |
| 19:06.24 | jordanm | all software has to be installed before use |
| 19:06.26 | Mikaela | Yes, if it's not already installed. The package is "sudo". I think that setup asks you if you want to instal it and installing it is optionbal. |
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| 19:07.04 | dbb | its a custom setup by a service provider... bare debian 7 comes out |
| 19:07.26 | dbb | yes, it seems it was not yet installed.. thx! "new server" moment |
| 19:07.53 | koell | jordanm: what if apt-get isn't installed? xD |
| 19:07.56 | mcfrisk | q: how to get chromium play youtube videos, most/all of them say install flash player, vimeo works with html5 though |
| 19:08.14 | dbb | I checked if the group sudo existed before I added, and it did, so I was fooled.. |
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| 19:10.10 | jordanm | koell: then install apt with dpkg. in that particular case though, it's installed by the debian-installer |
| 19:11.03 | jordanm | mcfrisk: not all support html5. i believe all the videos which have annotations require flash |
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| 19:11.07 | jordanm | !tell mcfrisk about flash |
| 19:11.26 | jordanm | mcfrisk: also, proprietary google-chrome comes with flash baked in |
| 19:11.30 | dbb | koell dpkg is the bottom, apt is a "higher level" service I think |
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| 19:11.46 | dunkel2 | hello |
| 19:12.55 | verodeb | hi ppl how can i redirect twice the output of a program: for example mysqldump -u root -p > output.txt but still shows message and i want to redirect those message to a log.txt?? |
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| 19:13.16 | dbb | tee |
| 19:13.53 | dunkel2 | how do i create an upstart task? i tried just adding a file.conf on /etc/init but it says unrecognized service |
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| 19:15.02 | k5673 | verodeb: mysqldump -u roo -p | tee -a output.txt log.txt |
| 19:15.33 | verodeb | ty |
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| 19:18.25 | zybiski | hello debian. Could anyone tell me how i put a kernel patch into a debian live usb disk? Patch is here, but tbh i dont know how to implement it. http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-input/msg09832.html |
| 19:18.50 | verodeb | k5673 itis showin message on the screen |
| 19:18.54 | verodeb | is it normal? |
| 19:19.23 | mcfrisk | thanks jordanm |
| 19:19.23 | dbb | Do people use webmin? |
| 19:19.29 | MrFrood | zybiski: #debian-live on the oftc irc server |
| 19:19.54 | dbb | has no idea about the firewall situation at this new service provider... |
| 19:20.12 | petn-randall | dbb: No surveys please. If you have a specific question, feel free to ask! :) |
| 19:20.14 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 19:20.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:20.19 | dbb | ugh |
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| 19:22.28 | jordanm | !webmin |
| 19:22.30 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 19:22.55 | k5673 | verodeb: Yes! I understood you needed the normal standard output... |
| 19:23.19 | jhutchins | zybiski: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 19:23.39 | petern_ | Bah, got a box running kvm but its sucking :( |
| 19:23.58 | dunkel2 | hello |
| 19:24.00 | petn-randall | verodeb: There is STDOUT (standard output) and STDERR (standard error) where message can come out. When you do 'command > file', you only redirect STDOUT, the "error messages" will still appear in your shell. |
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| 19:24.47 | arthurfiggis | petern_: i actually installed wheezy in the backports version of virtualbox, so i could play around with running a server without blowing up my desktop :) it runs surprisingly quick |
| 19:24.52 | verodeb | petn-randall: so i want to redirect stdout and stderr |
| 19:24.57 | verodeb | right? |
| 19:25.07 | petn-randall | verodeb: To also redirect STDERR, you can append '2> file2' to write it to a separate file, or '2>&1' to redirect STDERR to STDOUT, which you then can pipe into a single file. |
| 19:25.13 | arthurfiggis | (although i'm not doing anything that you'd consider "high-end" with it now, just php development :) ) |
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| 19:25.30 | ChibaPet | petern_: More detail please...? |
| 19:25.51 | petern_ | arthurfiggis, wheezy server, running libvirt, kvm with windows 2003 in it with virtio drivers installed. networking/disk io very slow |
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| 19:26.18 | petn-randall | petern_: Isn't that part of the win2003 sales pitch? ;) |
| 19:26.31 | JuanDaugherty | hey you know after all that it turns out xalan/xerces appear to be broken on Wheezy (but not 6) |
| 19:26.45 | verodeb | petn-randall: u mean like this command 1> output 2> log? |
| 19:26.53 | petern_ | yeah, that's the problem, figuring out which bit is at fault |
| 19:26.54 | arthurfiggis | petern_: oh, sorry...the only times i've ever ran windows 2003 it was in vmware or on an actual server :/ |
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| 19:27.23 | petern_ | i had kvm running windows 2003 previously, ran really slowly until the virtio drivers were used. |
| 19:27.29 | petern_ | this one... broken |
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| 19:27.39 | JuanDaugherty | that or the c. 2007 app that requires them is |
| 19:27.49 | petern_ | which is annoying as i'm trying to use it to run dedicated game server through steam |
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| 19:28.04 | petern_ | took steam about 4 days to download the game as it kept disconnecting :S |
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| 19:29.39 | arthurfiggis | petern_: unfortunately the best platform for steam is still a recent version of windows, but i gave up on windows 8 myself...maybe the consoles they're putting out now might have some good games though, it all depends on how many companies they can convince :) |
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| 19:32.21 | kvc29 | so if i'm editing /etc/sudoers to give 'user' the privilege to run a sudo command without entering sudo password, would the entry look like "user sudo /sbin/ifconfig eth0 down" |
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| 19:32.37 | kvc29 | hopefully this is the correct channel |
| 19:33.30 | zybiski | jhutchins, installing mint debian on my gfs computer. USB mouse and keyboard both apparantly need a kernel patch to function . Never done a kernel patch before |
| 19:33.35 | arthurfiggis | kvc29: i don't think you'd need to edit it at all, if you add your current user to the sudo group you should be able to use it anyway? |
| 19:33.53 | petn-randall | kvc29: If you're running Debian stable, it is :). I remember that the sudoers man page is very verbose and difficult to parse. |
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| 19:34.11 | petn-randall | arthurfiggis: It will still ask for a password. |
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| 19:34.39 | arthurfiggis | petn-randall: oh yes, i missed the no-password requirement...which would be...a dangerous one, but i'm sure you could do it :) |
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| 19:34.46 | kvc29 | it's debian stable. i want a user to be able to run the ifconfig command without entering the sudo password, but i don't neccessarily want them to be able to run other sudo commands. just that one |
| 19:34.47 | zybiski | ah, jhutchins , turns out fix for mouse and keyboard are.. very similar. The instructions for the mouse ones are quite detailed. I'll be able to figure this out |
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| 19:35.10 | petn-randall | kvc29: The preferred way for configuring network interfaces is ifup/ifdown, though. Or network-manager, if you like it. |
| 19:35.32 | zybiski | but if i was able to do it while running live and installing , that would be amazing |
| 19:36.21 | kvc29 | petn-randall: you mean ifconfig interface up/down? i have use ifup/ifdown but those are aliases for ifconfig |
| 19:37.19 | petn-randall | kvc29: They're not aliases. ifconfig is a lowlevel, deprecated configuration tool. ifupdown is a configuration framework for network interfaces. |
| 19:38.18 | kvc29 | oh, i didn't know about it. i have an alias ifup='sudo ifconfig eth0 up' just because it's easier to type than all that |
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| 19:38.29 | petn-randall | oh ... |
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| 19:39.16 | kvc29 | i didn't know there was an actual ifup and ifdown. maybe those were bad alias names to create |
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| 19:39.50 | CissWit | still a fun collision |
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| 19:40.53 | drasko | hi all. I can not make middle button work on my touchpad. Where to look? |
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| 19:41.30 | Zoohouse | Question regarding packaging debs: Any one know if I have to be on a Debian based distro to use dh tools and build a .deb successfully? I'm currently on Manjaro (Arch based) distro. |
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| 19:43.27 | petn-randall | kvc29: That being said, I think the right line would be (I think): '<user> ALL=NOPASSWD: <fullpathtocommand>' |
| 19:43.42 | jwww | Zoohouse: no I don't think you need to. but still you could use a debian chroot. |
| 19:43.49 | drasko | hi all. I can not make middle button work on my touchpad. Where to look? |
| 19:44.07 | petn-randall | !synaptics |
| 19:44.08 | dpkg | Synaptics is an X.org driver for laptop touchpads/trackpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>. |
| 19:44.10 | kvc29 | petn-randall: awesome, thanks. i'm going to try that |
| 19:44.22 | Zoohouse | jwww, thanks |
| 19:45.01 | petn-randall | drasko: So you can't paste any copied text with it, or how did you verify that? |
| 19:45.20 | drasko | petn-randall, exactly - can not paste |
| 19:45.38 | drasko | I do not see /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d in my system... |
| 19:46.23 | petern_ | hmm, i suppose i can test a large download in a debian vm |
| 19:46.33 | Lady_Aleena | gives up looking for wherever the dircolors is stored. |
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| 19:49.32 | drasko | petn-randall, I have this: root@Lenin:/home/drasko# grep "TouchPad: buttons:" /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:49.32 | drasko | [ 17.820] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: buttons: left double triple |
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| 19:51.34 | kvc29 | is it best to use ifup/down instead of ifconfig when you just want to take an interface down or put it up? |
| 19:51.34 | petn-randall | drasko: Which desktop environment are you running? You should be able to configure it there. Might also be that your laptop has buggy driver support. Which make and model do you have? |
| 19:52.10 | petn-randall | kvc29: With ifupdown you can configure profiles for each interface, and bring them up or down with it, and even more. |
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| 19:53.00 | kvc29 | that's really cool |
| 19:54.16 | petn-randall | kvc29: It's my preferred tool for servers, but on laptops where the interface config changes often (think wireless connections) it's easier to use network-manager. |
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| 19:56.11 | kvc29 | petn-randall: so if i was going to disconnect from one wireless network and switch to another without network manager, which tool would i use. ifconfig? because i would need to supply the ssid and password. |
| 19:56.49 | drasko | petn-randall, I did changes in xorg.conf.d. How to restart xorg now? |
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| 19:57.17 | petn-randall | kvc29: If you want to do it by hand, you'd use iwconfig, then ip (which replaces ifconfig). But you can also configure it all in /etc/network/interfaces, then just do 'ifup wlan0'. |
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| 19:58.30 | petn-randall | drasko: It depends on which login manager you have installed. Switch to a terminal with ctrl+alt+F1, log in as root, then run '/etc/init.d/gdm restart' if you have gdm installed. |
| 19:59.37 | kvc29 | petn-randall: thanks. i like graphical environments but want to know how to do things under the hood in case i need to |
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| 20:01.15 | sarkis | hey all, packaging question... is there a way to define different deps if i am say on wheezy vs squeeze? problem is with the libopenssl-ruby package is now provided by libruby in debian wheezy > |
| 20:02.01 | sarkis | i was looking in debian/control possibly some way to provide a more specific block that debian wheezy will use? where i can hcange the dep to be libruby instead.. is that possible? |
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| 20:03.38 | tilt | sarkis: maybe like this: Depends: libopenssl-ruby | libruby (>=whatever) |
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| 20:04.13 | sarkis | ah! good point thanks tilt |
| 20:04.20 | tilt | sarkis: yw |
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| 20:06.10 | laigualdad | i went with zinx's advice to choose a usb adapter and then install the drivers for it on debian. i found drivers here, but i have not done this sort of thing before so i am wondering if anyone knows a good reference/guide to follow. http://www.cirago.com/bta8000.php#panel4 |
| 20:06.46 | rgr | Can someone explain to me why .bash_profile isnt read when I login to gnome? It does pick up .profile however. According to all the documentation I can find since bash IS my default login shell then .bash_prfile should be sourced as a "one time" script to set environmentals etc. |
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| 20:08.32 | kvc29 | this is strange. i try to open sudoers with visudo and it opens it in nano |
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| 20:08.39 | tilt | rgr: according to the bash(1) manpage, ~/.bash_profile is "The personal initialization file, executed for login shells" while ~/.bashrc is "The individual per-interactive-shell startup file" |
| 20:08.54 | rgr | yes I know. |
| 20:08.55 | forcer | rgr: Should only happen when bash is called as a login shell. Maybe that doesn't happen. Though then .profile shouldn't be read, either. |
| 20:09.03 | tilt | rgr: when you hit the xterm icon in gnome, that does start a non-login shell |
| 20:09.20 | rgr | yes, Im not talking about non login interactive shells. |
| 20:09.34 | rgr | Im specifically talking about logging into gnome. |
| 20:10.05 | tilt | "logging in" to your desktop environment does not imply that any shell you execute will be a login-shell |
| 20:10.13 | Dnumgis | kvc29: visudo runs whatever is set in $EDITOR afaik |
| 20:10.17 | tilt | "login mode" is a specific mode of operation of the shell |
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| 20:11.41 | gnu-man | abrotman: So I build squid-ssl on a clean wheezy and now it works. Thank you for your help (yesterday). |
| 20:12.02 | rgr | Are you wuoting or have specific experience of debian gdm login? As I said, .profile IS sourced. |
| 20:12.04 | rgr | quoting |
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| 20:12.17 | sarkis | tilt: i still get this dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libopenssl-ruby | libruby |
| 20:12.25 | abrotman | gnu-man: I think that was themill |
| 20:12.49 | tilt | sarkis: well, are the build dependencies installed? ;) |
| 20:13.08 | abrotman | rgr: do you believe your WM should execute a shell script for a shell? |
| 20:13.11 | sarkis | hmm does that not grab it? |
| 20:13.17 | forcer | rgr: /etc/gdm3/Xsession sources $HOME/.profile, which would explain why that is loaded but not .bash_profile |
| 20:13.31 | tilt | sarkis: no |
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| 20:13.35 | sarkis | ah |
| 20:13.38 | abrotman | lastlog abrot 5 |
| 20:14.03 | gnu-man | themill: So I build squid-ssl on a clean wheezy and now it works. Thank you for your help (yesterday). |
| 20:14.03 | rgr | according to all the documentation absolutely yes if your your default login is bash : its how you do one off initialisations. |
| 20:14.10 | gnu-man | abrotman: still thank you, you helped me so oft :) |
| 20:14.12 | gnu-man | *often |
| 20:14.14 | rgr | anyways thanks aynway. |
| 20:14.18 | rgr | forcer : cheers |
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| 20:15.12 | tilt | forcer: yo. |
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| 20:15.33 | forcer | tilt: Moin. |
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| 20:17.20 | tilt | sarkis: oh and i gave you the wrong directive, for _building_ it's not Depends: but Build-Depends: |
| 20:17.26 | sarkis | ah |
| 20:17.29 | sarkis | thanks :) |
| 20:17.29 | tilt | sarkis: sorry about that |
| 20:17.35 | sarkis | np thanks for the help! |
| 20:19.55 | petern_ | sighs |
| 20:20.08 | sarkis | tilt: hmm actually i do have it specified in Build-Depends-Indep: |
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| 20:22.20 | sarkis | fails on this dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -D -us -uc failed |
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| 20:22.49 | sarkis | and the only error i see before that is this: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libopenssl-ruby | libruby |
| 20:22.50 | sarkis | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting |
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| 20:28.19 | laigualdad | i have a bluetooth driver that was made for windows. i want to know, can i use the driver on debian? if so, how do i install it? |
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| 20:30.28 | laigualdad | more broadly, i realize my laptop has bluetooth capabilities built in, but it was made for windows only. am curious if i can get it working, and how. |
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| 20:35.28 | gnu-man | Can cowbuilder be forced to use an http/https proxy for downloading? |
| 20:35.43 | gnu-man | It accepts a mirror, but I cannot use squid address+port as mirror. |
| 20:35.58 | MrFrood | laigualdad: have you checked to see if there is a native driver available? |
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| 20:37.12 | laigualdad | MrFrood, by native driver, do you mean the one that is provided by the manufacturer? |
| 20:37.13 | abrotman | gnu-man: did you try the shell variable? |
| 20:37.23 | laigualdad | if so, that is the one i have with me. |
| 20:37.29 | MrFrood | laigualdad: Imean a linux one |
| 20:37.37 | gnu-man | abrotman: you mean http_proxy / https_proxy? Or do you mean the mirror argument? |
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| 20:38.05 | laigualdad | MrFrood ah yes. well, at least there does not seem to be one from the manufacturer's website. |
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| 20:38.17 | jhutchins | ,versions kvirc |
| 20:38.19 | judd | Package: kvirc on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.0.2-1; wheezy: 4:4.1.3+20111124.svn5988-2; jessie: 4:4.2.0-2+b1; sid: 4:4.2.0-2+b1 |
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| 20:38.44 | MrFrood | laigualdad: do you know the chipset, failing that the manufacturer |
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| 20:39.31 | alexa_ | Someone tetll kmuto to stop pushing CUPS updates to sit EVERY DAY |
| 20:39.32 | laigualdad | manufacturer is ASUS |
| 20:39.39 | laigualdad | i need to double check the chipset |
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| 20:39.55 | alexa_ | sid* |
| 20:40.22 | gnu-man | ah, sudo env_keep again |
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| 20:41.12 | MrFrood | laigualdad: https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser & https://wiki.debian.org/Bluetooth/Alsa |
| 20:41.38 | laigualdad | MrFrood thanks |
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| 20:42.44 | laigualdad | MrFrood I will walk through these and see if my headset works after this. |
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| 20:43.17 | abrotman | alexa_: then don't use sid |
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| 20:45.00 | alexa_ | abrotman, I j-just w-wanted to make a joke and feel cool :( |
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| 21:02.11 | gargaml | hi |
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| 21:02.56 | gargaml | I'm trying to modify my current layout because I'd like to swap 3 keys |
| 21:03.36 | gargaml | I've seen that loadkeys is the right approach to perform this |
| 21:04.27 | gargaml | but when I try to assign a key directly on stdin with something like "keycode 127 = space" |
| 21:04.49 | gargaml | nothing happens, the behavior is still the same |
| 21:05.08 | gargaml | is there a specific way to update a layout ? |
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| 21:07.37 | fivefrop | why does owncloud depend on php-dropbox? Is this library needed when one doesn't connect one's cloud to dropbox storage? |
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| 21:08.01 | sarkis | wrong channel |
| 21:09.01 | pexio | hehe |
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| 21:09.33 | fivefrop | sarkis: it's about things are in the official Debian archive |
| 21:09.47 | sarkis | oh woops |
| 21:10.06 | sarkis | i didn't see it was abut owncloud package, thought it was specific to owncloud |
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| 21:10.33 | oblio | hola |
| 21:10.34 | sarkis | you prob would have better luck emailing the maintainer though as he would know why he included that |
| 21:11.03 | pinky_ | how is owncloud in wheezy? works fine out of the box? |
| 21:11.13 | oblio | i'm running wheezy and installed fresh ejabberd, but it crashes during the config phase and wont' start |
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| 21:12.14 | fivefrop | pinky_: have not yet tried it. A few weeks ago using it within jessie said it worked fine and now it is backported to wheezy-backports |
| 21:12.36 | fivefrop | *people using it said it |
| 21:12.56 | pinky_ | nice! |
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| 21:13.48 | Linnak | Hi, How can add keys for ubuntu repos? |
| 21:14.04 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 21:14.04 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 21:14.24 | ompaul | Linnak: I think that's known as heading that one off at the pass. |
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| 21:14.48 | luc__ | about unity for debian???? |
| 21:14.54 | luc__ | any notice? |
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| 21:15.07 | Linnak | Then there is no way to install applicacions simly from synaptic? |
| 21:15.27 | ompaul | Linnak: you can and it will kill your debian. So I'll not show you. |
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| 21:15.50 | sarkis | Linnak: if u want ubuntu, run ubuntu |
| 21:15.59 | ompaul | shudders |
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| 21:16.36 | luc__ | debian + unity, when will be possible? |
| 21:16.38 | Pua | HI debian users. I have a question. Does debian's 686 kernel support old instructions yet? |
| 21:16.46 | Linnak | But ubuntu is based on testing and I want stable |
| 21:16.48 | ompaul | luc__: when you personally do the porting. |
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| 21:17.00 | sarkis | Linnak: it is just fine... |
| 21:17.12 | luc__ | <ompaul> unity is bad??? |
| 21:17.16 | Linnak | I don't want ubuntu. I just want my preferred apps. |
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| 21:17.17 | Pua | Linnak: Only LTS is testing based. The normal editions is Sid Based |
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| 21:17.22 | sarkis | Linnak: good luckk |
| 21:17.30 | luc__ | <ompaul> i liked unity |
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| 21:17.41 | ompaul | luc__: if you want it run a distro with it |
| 21:17.52 | ompaul | not here today, and not likely any time soon |
| 21:17.53 | luc__ | <ompaul> i am running ubuntu |
| 21:17.59 | luc__ | <ompaul> any other distro run it? |
| 21:18.00 | ompaul | !ubuntuirc |
| 21:18.00 | dpkg | This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
| 21:18.30 | luc__ | <ompaul> but my favorite linux distro is debian |
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| 21:18.50 | Linnak | Sid is even worse. Come on. Help me or not? |
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| 21:19.38 | abrotman | help you what? |
| 21:19.40 | laigualdad | i am going through this guide https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser to set up bluetooth, and i get stuck at pairing. neither my computer nor my devices can recognize each other. interestingly, "sudo hcitool scan" results in "Device is not available: No such device." |
| 21:19.52 | pinky_ | Pua: use the i486 kernel for old instructions |
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| 21:20.18 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 21:20.29 | freebirD2 | you guys, I've created a rsa key, sent to the server, looks ok, but do I have to paste the rsa key of each user ? if I connect from root to usera, or from root to userb ? and one to root-> root ?? because now the rsa key file is inside /user/.ssh, please |
| 21:20.32 | freebirD2 | ssh |
| 21:20.35 | pinky_ | Linnak: don' |
| 21:20.42 | Azrael_- | how can i change the default editor for crontab from nano to vim? |
| 21:20.43 | Linnak | I'm running paralell chats on debian and ubuntu IRC. Where should I go now. Fedora???? I added repos to sources.list but synaptic needs keys. That was my only question |
| 21:20.45 | pinky_ | Linnak: don't add ubuntu repos to debian... |
| 21:21.03 | pinky_ | Linnak: you can just compile the software you need in debian if its that important |
| 21:21.22 | centrx | Linnak, What is the up |
| 21:21.23 | Linnak | Right. |
| 21:21.29 | abrotman | Linnak: what do you need help with? |
| 21:21.45 | NMJerry | / |
| 21:21.53 | ompaul | that's been said already |
| 21:21.56 | Linnak | I don't want all the 100 apps compile just select in synaptic |
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| 21:22.13 | pinky_ | if you want 100 apps from Ubuntu, why not install ubuntu? |
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| 21:22.19 | ompaul | Linnak: because you took ford parts does not mean they will run in your toyota |
| 21:22.22 | quique | anyone know what I need to put on my efi partition? |
| 21:22.22 | Linnak | Posted above |
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| 21:22.42 | ompaul | Linnak: so, please stop asking for something that will kill your computer. |
| 21:22.50 | NMJerry | Mayne u should rrpile ur paclage for that |
| 21:22.54 | laigualdad | Linnak, you do not really need all those ubuntu apps - i can assure you that the default debian repos are fine. try going without the ubuntu apps. |
| 21:22.55 | Linnak | Apps killing OS? |
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| 21:23.08 | pinky_ | Linnak: actually debian has most packages, i really wonder if you are serious or just trolling |
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| 21:23.22 | Linnak | Okay thanks |
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| 21:23.58 | Pua | The last Ubuntu with old instructions is 10.04. The 12.04 isn't good. pinky_ my processor is atom. does 486 kernel support dual core? |
| 21:24.04 | centrx | abrotman, He just has a typing problem |
| 21:24.16 | ompaul | Pua: we don't do ubuntu support here, please cease. |
| 21:24.22 | ompaul | !based on debian |
| 21:24.23 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 21:24.39 | pinky_ | Pua: atom is not so old |
| 21:24.49 | pinky_ | Pua: you can just use the normal kernel |
| 21:24.52 | Pua | ompaul: read again my question pinky_ thanks pinky_ |
| 21:25.05 | abrotman | centrx: Okay |
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| 21:25.52 | pinky_ | iirc atom is amd64, right? |
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| 21:25.56 | Pua | pinky_: Why debian don't use Mate desktop by default? Mate is porting to gkt3 and debian is for old computers |
| 21:26.05 | thewanderer1 | Pua, what particular processor is this? some Atoms are amd64, others are just i686. |
| 21:26.07 | Pua | pinky_: atom is intel |
| 21:26.21 | pinky_ | Pua: you really have no clue, mate is gnome2 , cinnamon is gnome3 |
| 21:26.56 | Pua | pinky_: yes man |
| 21:27.01 | pinky_ | Pua: but you are right, debian is for old computers |
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| 21:27.21 | pinky_ | (and new ones, too)^^ |
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| 21:27.57 | JLambrecht | omfg, has it come this far stable means old :-D |
| 21:28.01 | Pua | pinky_: I had some old processors here. How to buy new mother board for these processor. Does opensource mother board supports old processors to run debian here? |
| 21:28.09 | pinky_ | try installing latest fedora on an old pc... good luck... |
| 21:28.22 | styks1987 | I just upgraded to wheezy and I am trying to remove a dotdeb install of php and replace it with the official one. Does anyone know of a guide I could follow? |
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| 21:28.33 | JLambrecht | try installing almost any distro on a system where LVM is used for partitioning |
| 21:28.37 | GuidovanPossum | I'm trying to wipe off Windows7 completely on a laptop and install Debian via a usb installed with debian-7.3.0-i386-netinst.iso transferred with unetbootin |
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| 21:28.40 | Pua | pinky_: no man I prefer Mint because is DEbian and ubuntu based |
| 21:28.55 | pinky_ | Pua: yeah mint is very nice, i like it too |
| 21:28.57 | ompaul | GuidovanPossum: unetbootin does not work with debian |
| 21:28.58 | thewanderer1 | Pua, ok, so if you give us the exact processor model of your Atom (or check yourself on ark.intel.com), it should be possible to establish whether the "amd64" or "i686" variant is right for you. |
| 21:29.00 | JLambrecht | hi |
| 21:29.27 | pinky_ | Pua: do you use mint debian edition or normal mint ? |
| 21:30.07 | ompaul | GuidovanPossum: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-windows |
| 21:30.09 | laigualdad | pinky_ and Pua i feel like this is getting off topic |
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| 21:30.18 | freebirD2 | you guys, making a secure ssh connection, requires a rsa key to each user please ??? |
| 21:30.25 | pinky_ | thewanderer1: i'd really wonder if a dual core is i686.. but why not... |
| 21:30.42 | Pua | The big problem in debian is: Debian don't has ppa repositories like ubuntu lts or mint lit. thewanderer1 Processor: 2x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 230 @ 1.60GHz |
| 21:31.03 | thewanderer1 | pinky_, IIRC, there were some *really weird* Atom models on the market in that regard |
| 21:31.06 | pinky_ | laigualdad: is normal conversation allowed here or is it strictly a support channel? |
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| 21:31.17 | ompaul | freebirD2: no, would you like to ask about your actual set up. Your question seems a little vague. |
| 21:31.18 | pinky_ | thewanderer1: nice to know, i never looked into it much |
| 21:31.30 | laigualdad | pinky_ pretty sure only support. you can take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 21:31.40 | thewanderer1 | Pua, OK, Atom 230 is amd64, there you go |
| 21:31.56 | freebirD2 | ompaul, I've a server in my cliente |
| 21:32.04 | Pua | Why debian isn't has ppa repositories like official repositories of libreoffice, pidgin thewanderer1 thanks dude |
| 21:32.10 | pinky_ | laigualdad: ah ic i think ill go there^^ |
| 21:32.11 | freebirD2 | client, ompaul and I want to remotely access that server, |
| 21:32.22 | freebirD2 | the problem is that I can connect as a normal user or root |
| 21:32.50 | freebirD2 | should I insert the rsa key in ~/user or only in /root ??or both ?? |
| 21:32.57 | Pua | debian must be more easien than linux mint |
| 21:33.15 | ompaul | freebirD2: that is a problem, you can disable root by vi /etc/sshd/sshd.conf and not permitting root logins |
| 21:33.16 | pinky_ | freebirD2: just accept the keys, what's the problem with that? |
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| 21:33.56 | JLambrecht | Try http://www.apt-get.org/ |
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| 21:34.04 | ompaul | freebirD2: that way only your "average" username is crackable and as long as it is not guest your attackers have to guess that, and they can't get in as root (all things being equal) |
| 21:34.10 | laigualdad | Pua are there specific apps you need help installing? |
| 21:34.17 | freebirD2 | ompaul, I know that, but sometimes I'll have to log in as root, the question is, should I have a rsa key file for root and one for the normal user ??? |
| 21:34.26 | Pua | laigualdad: some latest |
| 21:34.28 | freebirD2 | or same in root for both ? |
| 21:34.29 | ompaul | freebirD2: no you don't have to, you log in and then su - |
| 21:34.35 | freebirD2 | ohhh |
| 21:34.36 | freebirD2 | okkk |
| 21:34.38 | freebirD2 | nicee |
| 21:34.45 | freebirD2 | didn't think about htat |
| 21:34.47 | freebirD2 | lool |
| 21:34.49 | Pua | like libre office, pidgin, MATE desktop and other |
| 21:35.01 | pinky_ | Pua: i invited you to #debian-offtopic /join #debian-offtopic |
| 21:35.04 | ompaul | freebirD2: and use one key for the ordinary user |
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| 21:35.13 | Wilkim | hello |
| 21:35.16 | Lady_Aleena | Any suggestions of config files I should back up elsewhere? |
| 21:35.16 | freebirD2 | if I decide to connect from another host, should I take the rsa file key ? |
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| 21:35.28 | pinky_ | freebirD2: yes of course |
| 21:35.28 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: all of them |
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| 21:35.45 | freebirD2 | tksss |
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| 21:35.57 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: tar cvf /var/myetc.tar /etc/* and move that file elsewhere |
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| 21:36.05 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, how do I know where to look for 'all of them'? They could be scattered everywhere. |
| 21:36.06 | Wilkim | I was just wondering, cause im a n00b, how I could use: "dpkg --get-selections" and just get the package(s) without the part: install |
| 21:36.07 | pinky_ | freebirD2: you always accept the keys and connect, once you have the key in keystore you won't have to accept it anymore |
| 21:36.14 | Wilkim | this way its just a list of packages |
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| 21:36.18 | laigualdad | Pua okay so you want the latest updates to some apps. in debian stable, this is not how we do things. If you want the latest, try debian testing, or if you are feeling lucky, debian sid. |
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| 21:36.18 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: that's why i simply back up / ad exclude stuff |
| 21:36.27 | nkuttler | s/ad /and / |
| 21:36.46 | laigualdad | Pua another thing you can do however is use backports for stable, which provide certain updates. |
| 21:36.47 | freebirD2 | ompaul, pinky_ what If my server in here connects to more than 1 remote server ? should I use the same key to all of the servers ?? |
| 21:36.57 | Pua | laigualdad: thanks |
| 21:36.59 | ompaul | nkuttler: just grab /etc /var and /home you have the records of what you want then |
| 21:37.18 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, what about all the directories in my directory which start with dots. |
| 21:37.31 | laigualdad | Pua would you like to try a compromise by getting some backports? |
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| 21:37.57 | Lady_Aleena | ompaul, that sounds larger than 16GB. |
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| 21:38.06 | nkuttler | ompaul: oh no! where did my /srv go? or /var/lib/apt /var/lib/dpkg |
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| 21:38.27 | ompaul | freebirD2: depends on the threat model, in the worst case you boot different vms to log into the different destinations, but then there is the other model where you run different versions of different machines and they all have subsets of your credentials |
| 21:38.31 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: 16G should be enough for / without /home on most systems |
| 21:38.47 | ompaul | nkuttler: /var :) I don't use /srv ;-) |
| 21:38.57 | ompaul | nkuttler: call me lazy |
| 21:39.14 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: it is as big as you use .. |
| 21:39.25 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: as a programmer you should know that ;-) |
| 21:40.10 | Wilkim | I been trying to figure out how I could use: "dpkg --get-selections" and omit the "install" part along with whitespace, anyone know how? ty so much |
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| 21:41.23 | freebirD2 | I see, for now, do you think it would be too stupid to use the same for all of the 6 servers ?? |
| 21:41.27 | freebirD2 | ompaul, |
| 21:41.32 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, I want to store everything important somewhere, I just don't know what is most important of my config files. |
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| 21:42.05 | laigualdad | i am going through this guide https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser to set up bluetooth, and i get stuck at pairing. neither my computer nor my devices can recognize each other. interestingly, "sudo hcitool scan" results in "Device is not available: No such device." |
| 21:42.42 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: well, that's why i said /, and exclude stuff you know you don't need |
| 21:42.44 | ompaul | freebirD2: I'd be inclined to have a single machine behind a firewall that I didn't get into directly and it has the ability to get to those users, I certainly wouldn't put it on laptop. |
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| 21:42.58 | ompaul | freebirD2: then I'd do it that way. |
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| 21:43.23 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, The problem is I don't know what I do and don't need. |
| 21:43.25 | ompaul | freebirD2: 1 --> 6 |
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| 21:43.38 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: then how should we know? :) |
| 21:44.11 | freebirD2 | I see, I create a host, behind a firewall, withh ssh, and from another machine, I connect to that host, so I can connect to my clients from the same ? is that it ? |
| 21:44.13 | Lady_Aleena | nkuttler, you might know some of the general configs I should keep backed up. |
| 21:44.16 | ompaul | the thing is you make choice |
| 21:44.33 | ompaul | you can do anything, you can't do every one of the options you have |
| 21:44.41 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: i don't believe in "should" wrt to backups |
| 21:44.44 | ompaul | you have to choose - times up make your choice |
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| 21:45.11 | freebirD2 | ompaul, I want to do the safest |
| 21:45.18 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: you have install material, you have your data, you have your records from /var/ and more from /etc you have enough |
| 21:45.35 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: more on this is really you putting off making a decision |
| 21:46.09 | nkuttler | Lady_Aleena: if you want to know what you need, recreate your system from backups on a spare box (or just format your drive) |
| 21:46.19 | styks1987 | how do you remove a dotdeb package? |
| 21:46.37 | ompaul | styks1987: apt-get remove --purge whatever |
| 21:46.46 | ompaul | styks1987: assumping you ahve the same repo as it came from |
| 21:46.51 | ompaul | styks1987: and good luck with that |
| 21:46.59 | Lady_Aleena | .oO(Dammit computer, stop freezing up on me.) |
| 21:47.05 | ompaul | freebirD2: that is not practical on a cost basis, but here is a sample idea: six persistent live cds - one per desitnation |
| 21:47.12 | DammitJim | Lady_Aleena, why are you calling me? |
| 21:47.21 | styks1987 | ompaul: I tried that but it does not get removed |
| 21:47.45 | ompaul | freebirD2: it is reasonable to have a |secured host | --- | bastion host | ---->>> other boxes you log on to that secured host and it is the one with all the keys |
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| 21:48.04 | freebirD2 | ompaul, I see |
| 21:48.15 | ompaul | freebirD2: and lock and log the bastion host, read your logs, at least learn how to work out what is normal and what is abormal and do the same with your clients |
| 21:48.17 | Lady_Aleena | breaks. |
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| 21:48.49 | ompaul | styks1987: install clean cos we can't support borken software that doesn't comply with normal methods of control |
| 21:49.20 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: if a dodgy computer breaks you then you have the wrong hobby / job :) |
| 21:49.26 | freebirD2 | I see, but right now, I can't do that, I only have my pc in here, yes, I do have a firewall, should I create on key to each client ???? would you in my situation ? |
| 21:49.29 | freebirD2 | ompaul, |
| 21:49.43 | freebirD2 | one key to each client |
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| 21:50.01 | freebirD2 | or should I just use the same ? |
| 21:50.04 | ompaul | freebirD2: I'd do it and keep the keys backed up on cds off the box and don't leave them on the machine when you shut it down |
| 21:50.17 | freebirD2 | I see |
| 21:50.17 | ompaul | freebirD2: and a couple of usb stick |
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| 21:50.29 | freebirD2 | I see, nice |
| 21:50.39 | freebirD2 | ompaul, tks a lot |
| 21:50.43 | ompaul | freebirD2: failure to be to get in can be ... embarrassing |
| 21:50.46 | Deeps | Lady_Aleena: if your data is more valuable than the cost of storing it, back up everything. if the value of your data is lower than the cost of storing it, why do you have it in the first place? |
| 21:51.19 | Lady_Aleena | Well, it looks like Debian/KDE can't handle IceWeasel, XChat, Terminator, Notepad++, and Amarok being open at the same time. |
| 21:51.29 | freebirD2 | ompaul, sorry, did not understand |
| 21:51.41 | freebirD2 | failure to be to get in ? |
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| 21:55.12 | Lady_Aleena | Deeps, data I have covered, it is choosing the configs I think I need to keep which I am trying to figure out now. |
| 21:55.34 | styks1987 | if I run dpkg-query -l 'php*' and it shows a value in the version column, does that mean it is installed? |
| 21:55.59 | ompaul | freebirD2: so you got to work out how bad it would be if you couldn't log in (get in) |
| 21:56.16 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: I told you already, /etc/ /var/ |
| 21:56.30 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: you could work out why by going over them |
| 21:56.54 | Lady_Aleena | ompaul, I will look. |
| 21:56.58 | freebirD2 | ompaul, I see, if I get confused with many keys you mean ? |
| 21:57.06 | freebirD2 | many pen drives ? |
| 21:57.14 | freebirD2 | that's easy to organize |
| 21:57.17 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: or you could keep saying ... oh what do I back up - me I don't care about home configs, in work every /etc/ /var/ and install media and that's enough with data |
| 21:57.18 | zophy_ | delta9 |
| 21:57.28 | zophy_ | activation |
| 21:57.55 | ompaul | freebirD2: no. I mean your machine goes away. Dies. Gets robbed. Whatever. and you don't have keys to get onto the other persons machine |
| 21:58.25 | freebirD2 | ohhhh, ok, I get |
| 21:58.26 | freebirD2 | it |
| 21:58.38 | freebirD2 | so it's a good idea to have the rsa keys in cd's pendrives, get it |
| 21:58.54 | ompaul | freebirD2: you never run a business without backups |
| 21:59.04 | freebirD2 | ompaul, you're right |
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| 22:00.16 | freebirD2 | tks a lot |
| 22:00.23 | freebirD2 | very good information, tks al ot |
| 22:01.49 | ompaul | freebirD2: enjoy |
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| 22:03.10 | Lady_Aleena | ompaul, just looked over /etc/ and /var/, and I don't think I changed anything in there. So I think I am set. :) |
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| 22:03.26 | ompaul | what |
| 22:03.34 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: you "looked over" |
| 22:03.37 | ompaul | hehe |
| 22:03.44 | ompaul | the what now |
| 22:03.59 | Lady_Aleena | ompaul, I looked at the directory names to see if I remembered changing anything in them. I don't think I did. |
| 22:04.00 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: let me introduce you to a nice word: "Wrong!" |
| 22:04.14 | ompaul | those differ box to box |
| 22:04.33 | ompaul | they are /var logs /etc/ unique files for the installed apps |
| 22:04.41 | ompaul | along with lots of therr stuff |
| 22:04.54 | ompaul | wonders if Lady_Aleena is running debian at all |
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| 22:06.09 | Lady_Aleena | Those can be recreated upon reinstallation of Debian by the installation software, as far as I know. |
| 22:07.01 | ompaul | s/can/will/ but will they be the same - how do you know - do you want to know what you installed - answers in /var |
| 22:07.21 | ompaul | oh dear me, it really is a mystery really |
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| 22:12.56 | laigualdad | i am going through this guide https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser to set up bluetooth, and i get stuck at pairing. neither my computer nor my devices can recognize each other. interestingly, "sudo hcitool scan" results in "Device is not available: No such device." |
| 22:13.23 | nevyn | do you have an adapter? |
| 22:13.25 | DammitJim | laigualdad, I don't know how helpful this is going to be for you |
| 22:14.13 | laigualdad | nevyn i have built in bluetooth. the light is on and my terminal confirms the service is running. |
| 22:14.31 | DammitJim | but read this: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/dammitjim/weblog/2 |
| 22:14.38 | LordDeath | will installing znc from testing mess up my wheezy with tons of dependencies? http://packages.debian.org/de/jessie/znc |
| 22:14.46 | laigualdad | DammitJim i will try it thanks! :) |
| 22:14.47 | DammitJim | laigualdad, I did that doc a long time ago |
| 22:14.54 | DammitJim | and it still works on Debian 7.3 |
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| 22:15.08 | DammitJim | I don't know if it is the proper way of doing it, but it works |
| 22:15.19 | DammitJim | I'm now waiting for my bluetooth speakers and see if I can add them |
| 22:15.31 | laigualdad | cool :) |
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| 22:16.51 | nkuttler | bluetooth on linux? that works now? |
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| 22:18.32 | Lady_Aleena | ompaul, I am running Debian as far as I know, at least that is what was on the splash screens when I installed it. |
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| 22:21.14 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: hehe |
| 22:21.47 | elvora | Lady_Aleena: uname -a |
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| 22:22.33 | Lady_Aleena | Linux office 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:23.47 | xhc_[slovakia] | hi.. is possible to make some script to colorizing some strings in bash output? for example if I write "echo hello" output of a word 'hello' will already in color |
| 22:23.50 | epsilon | nkuttler: sometimes perfectly |
| 22:24.53 | somiaj | xhc_[slovakia]: you would have to use escape characters, one second |
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| 22:25.49 | xhc_[slovakia] | somiaj: yes, I have found it on web, but I cant to write it to bashrc in right way :-) |
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| 22:27.09 | somiaj | xhc_[slovakia]: echo -e "\E[1;33mHello" |
| 22:27.22 | somiaj | xhc_[slovakia]: what is it you are really trying to do, you want a colorized prompt? |
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| 22:28.27 | somiaj | note escape characters can mess with things and so be careful where you want to put the color output. |
| 22:28.29 | xhc_[slovakia] | somiaj: this is right, but I want some few strings to be colored automaticly if the bash output will have these strings |
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| 22:29.50 | somiaj | you are being to vague, are you wanting some parser on the output of any script and to colorize certina words? Or you just have certain words in your script you want to colorize? |
| 22:30.11 | xhc_[slovakia] | somiaj: my command must be "echo hello" ...no more .. u wrote echo -e .... and thats another situation |
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| 22:31.05 | somiaj | doesn't work that way, there are just hidden characters that tell your terminal to change the color of the text |
| 22:31.25 | somiaj | you have to actually put those characters there, or write some complicated parser to do it for you. Either way I don't think you can get what you want |
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| 22:32.46 | xhc_[slovakia] | somiaj: I write real example, what I want ... aptitude in command line sometimes write foo package will REMOVED in output... and I want to have colored this word REMOVED |
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| 22:33.47 | somiaj | xhc_[slovakia]: you will have to write some complicated wrapper that you pipe all your output of all programs to, and then have that wrapper put the color chacters where you want them to. Over all this wrapper may not only gcause problems it won't be a simple thing |
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| 22:34.55 | xhc_[slovakia] | somiaj: something in bashrc with if text | sed -e .. is this good way? |
| 22:34.57 | somiaj | In general color will not be added to the output, because even though your terminal may make colors for those special characters, they do appear in text files and other rhings and make parsing much more difficult. So you won't be able to get that effect. Learn to read it without color. |
| 22:35.08 | somiaj | it is not bash, it is your terminal |
| 22:35.26 | somiaj | which is the stdout, you will need to somehow redirect that which is something I wouldn't even want to mess with |
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| 22:39.01 | Tramp | xhc_[slovakia]: tricky. As a starting point: c_red=$(tput setaf 1); c_green=$(tput setaf 2); c_clr=$(tput sgr0); { ls . nosuchfile | sed "s/.*/$c_green&$c_clr/"; } 2>&1 | sed "s/.*/$c_red&$c_norm/" |
| 22:39.11 | petern_ | hmm, so my problem kvm... timing seems to be wrong, wonder if that can upset networking |
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| 22:42.46 | somiaj | xhc_[slovakia]: I guess you could redirect your output though a parsing script fairly easy, 'command | parser script', but this will only get stdout, stderr may not be sent though that |
| 22:43.00 | somiaj | xhc_[slovakia]: it is just somethign I would not suggest and just learn to parse without color. (: |
| 22:43.01 | ChibaPet | petern_: For kicks, there's always Xen. It's a bit more mature. |
| 22:43.18 | ChibaPet | petern_: And Debian support for it is Fair Good. |
| 22:43.23 | ChibaPet | Fairly* |
| 22:43.59 | petern_ | Not an option, this is already installed and there are production VMs |
| 22:44.12 | petern_ | Linux as a guest is working fine. |
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| 22:45.13 | xhc_[slovakia] | somiaj: ok no problem to have "clear" output .. it is just some idea to think how to make it :-) |
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| 22:46.26 | xhc_[slovakia] | Tramp: thnx but I really dont understand it ... I have little experience with code programming :-)) |
| 22:46.43 | somiaj | xhc_[slovakia]: it could be done, I don't think you'd get much out of learning how to do it. (: |
| 22:46.46 | Tramp | welcome |
| 22:47.19 | somiaj | xhc_[slovakia]: and it would be something you would not want to make default, as in there are plenty of things behind the sceen you may not want your output going through a praser to add color first |
| 22:48.41 | xhc_[slovakia] | somiaj: thats true, but I like to play) |
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| 22:49.51 | pUa | I want generate my updated debian iso with codecs and plugin for my personal use. How I do it? |
| 22:50.05 | pUa | Like linux mint live cd with codecs |
| 22:50.27 | pUa | like remastersys software |
| 22:50.36 | freebirD2 | ompaul, hey man, one more question, in my localhost, I want to be able to only connect, I |
| 22:50.51 | freebirD2 | don't want my 22 port open, which app should I uninstall ?? |
| 22:50.58 | somiaj | pUa: live.debian.net has instructions on how to make a custom live image? Is that what you are wanting? |
| 22:51.00 | freebirD2 | or should I just choose a port like 0 ? |
| 22:51.11 | JLambrecht | Any people experiencing slow-down while doing flash-playback with Iceweasel, Chromium |
| 22:51.15 | JLambrecht | ? |
| 22:51.34 | somiaj | freebirD2: are you just wanting to disable the ssh server so it is not listening on port 22? Or are you wanting to do something else? |
| 22:51.46 | freebirD2 | yeahhh somiaj |
| 22:51.49 | pUa | somiaj: I want a snapshot of my desktop to live cd? is this solve? |
| 22:51.58 | freebirD2 | exactly, I only want to connect to hosts |
| 22:52.09 | freebirD2 | don't want anybody to connect in here |
| 22:52.14 | somiaj | pUa: it will take some work, but it is doable, check out live.debian.net |
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| 22:52.24 | somiaj | pUa: you wont' take a snapshot, but you can take your current package list and add some stuff to it |
| 22:52.34 | pUa | somiaj: ok dude. thanks |
| 22:52.36 | somiaj | freebirD2: two ways 1) uninstall ssh-server -- that way you have the client but not the server |
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| 22:53.06 | somiaj | freebirD2: 2) disable the starting of the ssh server at boot, 'update-rc.d ssh disable' |
| 22:53.11 | ompaul | freebirD2: so you don't want openssh-server which has me question your earlier questions - and if you are behind a firewall you will find that ssh server handy some day if you wander around maybe not so much |
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| 22:53.31 | freebirD2 | I see, I know how to do the second option, but if want to remove package, |
| 22:53.42 | freebirD2 | how doi I find the exactly name so I can remove it ? please ? |
| 22:53.45 | somiaj | freebirD2: I guess there is a tird point, put a firewall up and just block port 22, and then open it up to only clients you want to use it. |
| 22:53.58 | somiaj | freebirD2: I told you how to do the second option, type in the exact command I gave you as root |
| 22:54.00 | ompaul | freebirD2: this has been answered |
| 22:54.18 | somiaj | freebirD2: then type '/etc/init.d/ssh stop' -- the server will be installed but not run automatically so it is like it is not there |
| 22:54.35 | freebirD2 | uninstall ssh-server ??? |
| 22:54.39 | freebirD2 | this is not a command man |
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| 22:55.29 | somiaj | freebirD2: no for option number 2, 'dpkg -l | grep ssh' and then use apt-get to remove the package you don't want |
| 22:55.33 | ompaul | freebirD2: so if you have clients you installed this six times - and now you need us to tell you how to uninstall it ... how strange apt-get remove --purge openssh-server |
| 22:55.40 | freebirD2 | great |
| 22:55.42 | somiaj | I gave you the command for the second option, 'update-rc.d ssh disable' |
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| 22:56.38 | xkpe | hi |
| 22:57.22 | freebirD2 | great |
| 22:57.34 | freebirD2 | tks al ot you guys, worked now, removed the package, and stopped the service |
| 22:57.35 | freebirD2 | tks a lot |
| 22:58.02 | xkpe | I was upgrading my machine to wheezy but when the system was trying to install the new version of the kernet it's complaining that I don't have enough space in the /boot partition |
| 22:59.17 | xkpe | I already purged an old kernel the only ones not are the one that apt is trying to install and the current one |
| 22:59.41 | Walex | xkpe: thanks for letting us know! |
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| 23:00.20 | xkpe | but the partition is quite small.. 50MB and it's full, I can only access the server remotely so I can't use a live CD to repartition the disk |
| 23:00.34 | xkpe | can anyone think of another alternative? |
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| 23:01.15 | Walex | xkpe: yes. |
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| 23:01.46 | Walex | xkpe: why do you need to use a boot partition? |
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| 23:04.39 | xkpe | Walex: that's how the system was set up, are you suggesting I should remount boot in a different path I should just create a boot folder on the main partition and copy the contents over? |
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| 23:05.12 | Pua | I liked debian live cd build website. But how to add other desktops with external repositories like MATE by italian debian developer? |
| 23:05.17 | Walex | yes, just don't mount the partition and let /boot be a directory in the '/' partition |
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| 23:05.46 | Walex | xkpe: unless there is a specific reason to have a boot partition, justr ignore those 50mb |
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| 23:07.55 | Pua | how add nonfree things in debian iso build website |
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| 23:07.57 | Pua | ? |
| 23:08.15 | xkpe | Walex: it's a dedicated rack server, do you know of any reason that might could be related with that? |
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| 23:09.11 | somiaj | Pua: does the documentation at live.debian.net tell you want to do? One way I can think of is create a local cache repo that has all the packages you want in it (just copy the packages from the other trusted repos) and build from that. |
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| 23:10.06 | somiaj | xkpe: could be just an old admin who is use to the days you had to have a boot partition, or you have an encyrptied filesystem, sometimes in an lvm setup a small boot partition seperate of the lvm makes things easier. |
| 23:10.35 | footempnym | ChrisH: hi, in the mood of sharing your VM LVM test results with me? :) |
| 23:10.38 | xkpe | somiaj: ok thanks |
| 23:10.39 | somiaj | xkpe: might have to talk to the actual admin of the server. Also note due to how grub looks for things, you may have to reinstall grub into the mbr after you remove the boot partition so it can find stuff. |
| 23:11.30 | xkpe | somiaj: ok, I'll do that |
| 23:11.33 | petern_ | Heh, upgrading old systems with a separate /boot is always fun... |
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| 23:11.53 | petern_ | Old enough that the original kernel was much much smaller than current kernels. |
| 23:12.10 | somiaj | is the space issues most likey /boot/grub now? |
| 23:12.18 | somiaj | though I guess with initrd images kernels are quite large |
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| 23:12.48 | somiaj | seems /boot/grub is only about 10M, so I guess it is just kernel sizes |
| 23:13.20 | somiaj | seems like a kernel is about 15M now with the vmlinuz, initrd and system.map |
| 23:14.36 | somiaj | well 3.2 is like 15M here and 3.11 is up to 17M |
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| 23:25.48 | quique | how to you install debian in uefi mode? |
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| 23:31.36 | MrFrood | !uefi |
| 23:31.36 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 23:36.38 | rjsalts | would shim help with secure boot? |
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| 23:37.22 | rjsalts | i.e. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20303.html |
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| 23:39.37 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if there is even any need for a GPT partition table, couldn't you just put your LVM2 PV's straight on the boot device and grub-efi boot from that |
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| 23:46.15 | Hello71 | gcc (Debian 4.6.3-1) 4.6.3 |
| 23:46.37 | Hello71 | arm |
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| 23:47.08 | abrotman | Perhaps pastebin the full output |
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| 23:48.11 | Hello71 | $ gcc -march=native -x c /dev/null |
| 23:48.11 | Hello71 | cc1: error: bad value (native) for -march switch |
| 23:49.01 | abrotman | so it doesn't support that .. |
| 23:49.07 | abrotman | did you look at the man page? |
| 23:49.15 | JLambrecht | is there any concise guide on download a debian-source package, compiling it with ./configure --flags , repackaging it an the installing it as an upgrade ? |
| 23:49.23 | abrotman | dpkg: tell JLambrecht about source |
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| 23:49.55 | abrotman | Hello71: also, "dpkg -l gcc-4.3" .. what is the full line? |
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| 23:50.27 | Hello71 | man pages are not installed locally, apparently. |
| 23:50.29 | Hello71 | http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=gcc: |
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| 23:50.42 | Hello71 | *states that gcc supports -march=native for the version installed. |
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| 23:50.56 | Hello71 | wait, that's not the version installed. |
| 23:51.02 | Hello71 | I checked on manpages.ubuntu |
| 23:51.07 | abrotman | hence my asking for your dpkg -l line |
| 23:51.19 | Hello71 | un gcc-4.3 <none> (no description available) |
| 23:51.47 | abrotman | Hello71: use paste.debian.net, show us "dpkg -l | grep gcc" |
| 23:52.28 | Hello71 | http://paste.debian.net/76295/ |
| 23:52.32 | Hello71 | er. |
| 23:52.42 | abrotman | not quite :) |
| 23:52.53 | Hello71 | http://paste.debian.net/76296/ |
| 23:52.56 | abrotman | thought it was 4.3, it's 4.6 .. but the grep command will show them all |
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| 23:53.39 | JLambrecht | abrotman that you was a damn bot |
| 23:53.53 | abrotman | blinks .. |
| 23:54.06 | JLambrecht | :-D |
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| 23:55.07 | JLambrecht | helpful suggestion, do you have any quick help on debianising source form a 3rd party ? Basically want to use sagan 0.3.0 instead of 0.2.1 |
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| 23:55.56 | centrx | JLambrecht, https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 23:56.03 | Hello71 | abrotman: so have we established that I was telling the truth? |
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| 23:56.15 | abrotman | Hello71: The man page I'm looking at for Jessie doesn't show that as valid .. |
| 23:56.19 | JLambrecht | thanks, centrx, getting old |
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| 23:57.32 | Hello71 | Odd. maybe it's different over on ubuntu? |
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| 23:57.40 | xdfp90 | i want to buy a laptop to install debian onto. this one has good linux reviews. this is sort of unrelated but how much would you say this computer is worth paying for: http://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-102526U-13-3-Inch-Laptop-Black/dp/B0051OJUOC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1389743785&sr=1-1&keywords=lenovo+ideapad+z370 |
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| 23:57.59 | abrotman | whatever the listed price is .. |
| 23:58.02 | abrotman | or ask ##hardware |
| 23:58.28 | Hello71 | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man1/gcc.1.html includes the bit under arm options about -m*=native |
| 23:58.47 | abrotman | Hello71: sorry, was reading a different sectin, yes |
| 23:58.52 | Hello71 | http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=gcc-4.6&manpath=Debian+7.0+wheezy doesn't |
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| 23:59.17 | Hello71 | afaict, they are the same version |
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