| 00:00.00 | Jarth1 | Any news on gnome-shell crashes related to libgio and/or messages like "kernel: [ 852.778250] CE: hpet increased min_delta_ns to 20113 nsec |
| 00:00.09 | abrotman | Hello71: I meant I was reading for a different architecture |
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| 00:00.25 | Jarth1 | for some reason this is impacted by NVidia module settings paired with mtrr boot parameters |
| 00:00.42 | Jarth1 | running on Wheezy |
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| 00:00.56 | dayhaz | poop: i can't /join #debina-next :( |
| 00:01.08 | abrotman | dayhaz: irc.oftc.net |
| 00:01.10 | dayhaz | or #debian-next, even :p |
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| 00:01.17 | abrotman | Hello71: dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 00:02.13 | Hello71 | armel |
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| 00:02.33 | abrotman | Hello71: well, I |
| 00:02.39 | Hello71 | uname -m: armv5tel |
| 00:02.51 | abrotman | Hello71: well, I'm confused, seems it should work. I'll suggest you try the #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:03.02 | abrotman | Hello71: it does say it has to recognize your CPU .. perhaps it does not |
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| 00:07.11 | abrotman | Jarth1: please keep it in the channel |
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| 00:08.31 | xdfp90 | oops |
| 00:09.02 | Jarth1 | is it trivial to "upgrade" a package with source version A with source version B, recompile it into a binary-version-B.deb based on source-version-A.deb ? |
| 00:09.17 | dondelelcaro | Jarth1: often, yes |
| 00:09.28 | dondelelcaro | Jarth1: usually you can just use uscan with uupdate |
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| 00:09.36 | Jarth1 | this one's on sagan |
| 00:10.11 | dondelelcaro | Jarth1: you mean the package sagan? |
| 00:10.18 | Jarth1 | what brings me too the point of asking, what is is Debian Package maintainers do it sometimes takes looontime for packages to get updated |
| 00:10.25 | Jarth1 | dodelelcaro yes |
| 00:10.52 | Jarth1 | darned, i'm irc agnostic, pfew, this is getting used to |
| 00:10.56 | dondelelcaro | Jarth1: sometimes it means that a developer is overloaded, or hasn't had a chance to do the work, or it's a case where the upgrade is more complicated |
| 00:11.05 | koollman | Jarth1: they all go at a very high speed, as a result, from our point of view, they are very, very slow |
| 00:11.13 | Jarth1 | both i can understand |
| 00:11.24 | dondelelcaro | Jarth1: I'd file a wishlist bug asking for it to be updated |
| 00:11.30 | Jarth1 | that one i can understand too :-D |
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| 00:11.49 | dondelelcaro | Jarth1: and if you get no response, offer to help, and if you still get no response, then it's possible that the maintainer is MIA |
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| 00:11.59 | Jarth1 | :D |
| 00:12.17 | Jarth1 | I've come round to the point i feel confident enought to attempt packaging |
| 00:12.44 | Jarth1 | i'd like to put a high standard by applying stuff like hardening build flags , cppcheck etc |
| 00:12.58 | Jarth1 | but i'm not sure i'f i'm up to cppcheck just yhet |
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| 00:14.28 | Jarth1 | Thanks for the supportive replies people |
| 00:14.51 | Hello71 | +l 1448? |
| 00:15.08 | Jarth1 | dunno ? what's that ? |
| 00:15.43 | abrotman | it's a helper bot |
| 00:15.53 | Jarth1 | ah, that's the bot |
| 00:15.56 | Jarth1 | :) |
| 00:17.19 | Hello71 | oddly specific number though. |
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| 00:18.16 | qu | Does anyone know, in CLI, what makes {up-arrow} give the prior command? |
| 00:18.30 | qu | It's stopped working on x2go sessions. |
| 00:18.48 | Jarth1 | history |
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| 00:18.49 | jordanm | in most things, libreadline |
| 00:18.53 | Jarth1 | then post !### |
| 00:19.37 | Jarth1 | @qu type !! |
| 00:19.42 | Jarth1 | for the previous command |
| 00:19.54 | qu | No, in command-line interface. |
| 00:20.20 | Jarth1 | @qu sorry, don't get what you mean, you're not in a shell ? |
| 00:21.26 | Jarth1 | !! + enter |
| 00:21.27 | Jarth1 | will give you the last command in bash |
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| 00:22.07 | qu | When you hit the {up-arrow} it's supposed to recall the last command. |
| 00:22.28 | qu | ... but that's stopped working in x2go. |
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| 00:22.44 | Jarth1 | @qu that's quite likely because your terminal keyboard mapping is off |
| 00:23.00 | Jarth1 | only stopped working in new sessions ? |
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| 00:23.15 | qu | In any sessions lately. |
| 00:23.23 | qu | x2go only. |
| 00:23.42 | Jarth1 | dunno x2go , did you change anything ? |
| 00:23.55 | qu | N. Did a dist-upgrade... |
| 00:24.33 | Jarth1 | dunno but try dpkg-reconfigure -plow x2go... |
| 00:25.07 | Jarth1 | did you check the logs for anything broken ? |
| 00:25.39 | Miesco | http://imgur.com/jHycA1v This is the question |
| 00:25.48 | Miesco | I have been trying to figure this out for 2 days |
| 00:25.52 | Miesco | number 7 |
| 00:26.01 | Miesco | Its one sentence |
| 00:26.08 | qu | Jarth1: Don't know where the logs are. Not in /var/log. |
| 00:26.14 | Miesco | wait |
| 00:26.19 | Miesco | wrong channel |
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| 00:27.11 | Jarth1 | @Miesco :D |
| 00:27.17 | Jarth1 | good luck |
| 00:27.44 | Jarth1 | @qu echo $TERM |
| 00:28.16 | Jarth1 | @qu did you connect using putty or plain ssh ? |
| 00:28.26 | Jarth1 | euhm, forget that last question |
| 00:28.51 | qu | SSH. No Winduhs here. |
| 00:29.14 | Jarth1 | @qu putty does exist for linux :) |
| 00:29.21 | qu | TERM=xterm |
| 00:29.39 | Jarth1 | if you type !! what happens then ? |
| 00:30.18 | qu | echo $TERM |
| 00:30.18 | qu | xterm |
| 00:30.22 | Jarth1 | @qu echo $SHELL |
| 00:30.36 | Jarth1 | so most likely you're still in bash |
| 00:30.43 | qu | /bin/bash |
| 00:31.30 | Jarth1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.42 | qu | Toggle? |
| 00:31.47 | Jarth1 | type |
| 00:32.01 | Jarth1 | old wordings for to press a key |
| 00:32.54 | qu | Nothing happens on {up-arrow} |
| 00:33.02 | qu | Used to recall. |
| 00:33.13 | qu | ... has for 16 years. |
| 00:33.33 | Jarth1 | @qu i feel for you |
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| 00:33.36 | Jarth1 | :D |
| 00:33.53 | qu | Sure you do... but thx. |
| 00:34.19 | qu | This will spread like a virus upon all x2go users! |
| 00:34.32 | Jarth1 | most likely, and who's gonna take all them support requests ? |
| 00:34.40 | qu | Do NOT dist-upgrade, OR ELSE! |
| 00:34.41 | Jarth1 | not me, that's for sure |
| 00:34.58 | Jarth1 | i'll dist-upgrade you before you can say apt-get dude |
| 00:35.00 | Jarth1 | :D |
| 00:35.27 | qu | ... like a gray plague of locusts! |
| 00:35.40 | Jarth1 | those were the days |
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| 00:36.03 | Jarth1 | aha ! |
| 00:36.12 | Jarth1 | @qu http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/doc:faq:start |
| 00:36.22 | Jarth1 | setxkbmap uk |
| 00:36.31 | Jarth1 | worth a shot |
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| 00:37.50 | qu | Holy sh*t. |
| 00:38.02 | qu | It twerks! |
| 00:38.23 | Jarth1 | @qu Happy twerks |
| 00:38.36 | qu | So somebody left something out, so I have to put another line in everybody's .bashrc... |
| 00:38.55 | Jarth1 | or just one in /etc/bas....rc |
| 00:38.57 | qu | Ty Jarth1. |
| 00:39.09 | Jarth1 | old skool but still cool *cough* |
| 00:39.09 | qu | O yea |
| 00:39.23 | qu | Hey man, believe it or not I'm 59. |
| 00:39.35 | Jarth1 | ow damn, a green 40 over here |
| 00:39.44 | qu | Honest to Odin. |
| 00:39.58 | qu | But I feel like I'm 40. |
| 00:40.03 | Jarth1 | obviously |
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| 00:40.13 | Jarth1 | i feel like i'm 80 so i'm older |
| 00:40.18 | qu | Start now. Aminoguanidine. |
| 00:40.36 | Jarth1 | something from an iguanadon ? |
| 00:40.44 | qu | My ankles were creaking as I stood to pee, until aminoguanidine. |
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| 00:40.56 | qu | (15 years ago) |
| 00:41.08 | qu | It's an old food preservative. |
| 00:41.14 | Jarth1 | omfg, you were about my age then |
| 00:41.17 | qu | Extreme antioxydent. |
| 00:41.23 | Jarth1 | i'm cracking all over my body |
| 00:41.41 | Jarth1 | PimagedinePimagedine, also known as aminoguanidine, is an investigational drug for the treatment of diabetic nephropathy that is no longer under development as a drug. Pimagedine is a diamine oxidase and nitric oxide synthase inhibitor. Wikipedia |
| 00:41.45 | qu | 100mG every day, prefereably pure. |
| 00:42.12 | qu | It's more than they know. |
| 00:42.31 | Jarth1 | nitrix oxide, that's sold in body building shops these days, but this stuff's an inhibitor |
| 00:42.36 | Jarth1 | hmm |
| 00:42.49 | qu | There's all kinds of crap. But this one worked for me. |
| 00:43.01 | Jarth1 | Nitric oxide delivers fast muscle growth and fat burning, at a risk of course |
| 00:43.08 | qu | I tried resveratrol for a while, but my hair started falling out! |
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| 00:43.24 | Jarth1 | heheh, i didn't and it's happening |
| 00:43.28 | qu | (What little there is of it...) |
| 00:43.33 | Jarth1 | this is quite off topic |
| 00:43.45 | qu | No cops around. |
| 00:43.58 | Jarth1 | says who ? |
| 00:44.19 | Jarth1 | i saw this bot last time, where there's a bot, there's a cop |
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| 00:44.22 | qu | Or if there are, they're cool. |
| 00:44.33 | Jarth1 | ro-bot-cop remember |
| 00:44.37 | Jarth1 | :D |
| 00:45.02 | Jarth1 | unless you're a fool, cop's are cool |
| 00:45.03 | qu | So I'll put that in /etc/bash.bashrc. |
| 00:45.15 | Jarth1 | mjah, but that's gonna work for ALL users |
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| 00:45.36 | qu | I'd better be about the only user on these machines. |
| 00:45.55 | Jarth1 | thinking .... |
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| 00:53.22 | Jarth1 | @qu |
| 00:53.31 | Jarth1 | add this to /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 00:53.33 | Jarth1 | users=`cat users` |
| 00:53.33 | Jarth1 | for i in $users; do |
| 00:53.33 | Jarth1 | if [ $USER = $i ]; then |
| 00:53.33 | Jarth1 | `setkbmap uk` |
| 00:53.33 | Jarth1 | fi done |
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| 00:53.46 | aarcane | dafuq? I just installed debian 7.3 from the live USB installer... It seems to work, but when it reboots I get an error message that / needs to be fscked, but fsck.xfs is missing. It refuses to continue until fsck.xfs has been run, yet it didn't place this file into the initramfs so that it could be run. |
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| 00:57.48 | frostschutz | aarcane, wait till you find out that fsck.xfs does ... absolutely nothing |
| 00:58.17 | aarcane | Oh, and it somehow hosed my USB drive, so I can't boot from it anymore o,.,0 |
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| 01:00.23 | aarcane | okay, no it didn't. I just had to physically remove the hard-drive first. |
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| 01:10.13 | doberman | Do you have any idea why if I ping any not existing host, it always tries to ping thehostname.mk ? For example, if I ping "a.com" (it should return "unknown host") but instead: it goes to pinging "a.com.mk". Any idea ? :) |
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| 01:10.56 | aarcane | resolv.conf has either search mk or domain mk in it. |
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| 01:11.21 | doberman | aarcane: all it has is "8.8.8.8" |
| 01:12.36 | aarcane | doberman, no clue then. Sorry. |
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| 01:14.01 | rjsalts | aarcane: The search list is normally determined from the local domain name; by default, it contains only the local domain name. |
| 01:14.12 | rjsalts | doberman: ^ |
| 01:15.47 | rjsalts | doberman, aarcane: at least that's according to man resolv.conf |
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| 01:20.16 | abrotman | I wolud have answered him |
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| 01:23.25 | olskolirc | hey uh, is there a repo out there were debian can get elementary-os. it's a ppa as far as I can see. |
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| 01:23.43 | doberman | aarcane: /etc/hosts contains "1.2.3.4 something.mk" and /etc/hostname contains "something.mk". Is it possible that's why it searches anything.tld.mk ? |
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| 01:24.09 | aarcane | doberman, quite so. |
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| 01:27.17 | metalliqaz | hey would it be ill-advised to install a ubuntu 11.10 package on debian squeeze? |
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| 01:31.42 | aarcane | metalliqaz, generally, yes? I believe 11.10 is the ubuntu closest to squeeze however, and that most are expected to work... |
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| 01:31.53 | abrotman | metalliqaz: very much so |
| 01:31.58 | abrotman | metalliqaz: it's a very poor idea |
| 01:32.22 | abrotman | aarcane: That's absolutely not true, and a very simple way to break a Debian system |
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| 01:33.24 | Reflow | how do i set the timezone of my vas to be GMT -4 |
| 01:33.29 | Reflow | vps * |
| 01:33.54 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Reflow about set the time |
| 01:34.18 | Reflow | ?? abrotman |
| 01:34.21 | freebirD2 | you guys, i've installed a new box, loadkeys us use to work, not anymore, the problem is that I can't find the / or the | |
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| 01:34.29 | abrotman | Reflow: see what the bot told you |
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| 01:35.36 | olskolirc | wow abrotman im proud of you |
| 01:35.52 | olskolirc | you have been on irc longer than 10 years that ive known |
| 01:36.01 | abrotman | Yes |
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| 01:36.10 | olskolirc | i remember you from Undernet or Chat Junkies |
| 01:36.15 | abrotman | Not me |
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| 01:36.20 | redpill | I have this java app that fails as it needs a lib called smackx (it is not yet in the repo), I put smackx-3.1.0.jar in /usr/share/java and put a symlink to it called smackx.jar and it seems java still does not find it. am i doing it wrong? |
| 01:36.21 | olskolirc | just here? |
| 01:36.30 | abrotman | olskolirc: and OFTC |
| 01:36.39 | redpill | I have to say i do not know anything about java libs |
| 01:36.43 | olskolirc | ahhh oftc is "odd" |
| 01:36.51 | abrotman | Depends who you ask. |
| 01:37.12 | abrotman | redpill: you'd need to show us the full error perhaps |
| 01:37.20 | redpill | kk |
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| 01:40.24 | redpill | abrotman: the error log |
| 01:40.25 | redpill | http://pastebin.com/TXy2acmK |
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| 01:41.11 | abrotman | The XML file is missing, sounds like you need to read some documentation about this java program |
| 01:41.37 | abrotman | or something in the XML file is malfromed |
| 01:41.43 | abrotman | like that word .. |
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| 01:42.12 | themill | or the config file is referring to yet more classes in jars you do not have |
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| 01:42.53 | abrotman | icky java :) |
| 01:42.55 | redpill | ok well that is helpful thank u, it has very little documentation other then the src, and I am a C/C++ guy not a java guy |
| 01:43.50 | abrotman | redpill: there is a #java that may know more |
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| 01:44.32 | redpill | thank you again |
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| 01:49.35 | metalliqaz | frickin zlib |
| 01:49.41 | metalliqaz | why is the package called zlib1g-dev? |
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| 02:00.27 | Wug | it is actually |
| 02:00.34 | veek | hey where's the cpyfreq_ondemand module gone to? |
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| 02:01.08 | veek | also how do i set a trigger for the ondemand processor upping of frequency |
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| 02:05.42 | pikaro_ | hi! I recently reconfigured my VPS to run a sendmail server, and the tutorial I used urged me to put the line "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost <fqdn>" in /etc/hosts, saying that sendmail wouldn't work otherwise. now my cron mail is coming from cron@localhost.localdomain, going to root@localhost.localdomain, which seems logical. honstname -f still returns the fqdn. is the system set up correctly like this, or does this indicate an |
| 02:05.42 | pikaro_ | inconsistency? |
| 02:06.05 | tomman | Hello there! |
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| 02:06.17 | tomman | I'm trying to build Wine packages from source (again!) on Jessie |
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| 02:06.26 | tomman | the 32-bit packages build just fine on my i386 Jessie chroot |
| 02:06.40 | tomman | but the AMD64 packages fail to build with a "dh_install: cannot run debian/libwine-dev-unstable.install: Permission denied" |
| 02:07.04 | tomman | (I'm using the Sid source packages for 1.6.2-1) |
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| 02:11.50 | redpill | pikaro_: sendmail has always had a lot of holes, U may want to consider postfix or something else, and as for your quest idk |
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| 02:14.36 | pikaro_ | redpill, thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into it. though honestly, at the moment, I'm just really glad I finally got everything working... really was a bitch to setup everything I wanted without any previous experience. is postfix more difficult to configure? |
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| 02:15.54 | guest442 | so i installed nvidia driver yesterday. once i installed ia32libs nvidia everything broke. is there a safe way to install nvidia drivers on debian? |
| 02:15.58 | invntu | hey no cussing |
| 02:16.42 | invntu | i never had any problems instaling nvidia proper |
| 02:17.08 | guest442 | do you mind helping? i have a vanilla debian 7.0 install atm. |
| 02:17.11 | redpill | i think there is more current documentation for postfix and the postfix config is more like sendmail then most, but imo mail servers are just plain hard to set up |
| 02:17.45 | Arrowmaster | guest442: you used the nvidia packages in debian right? not the download from nvidia.com? |
| 02:17.47 | rjsalts | redpill: postfix is more unlike sendmail than anything |
| 02:17.49 | invntu | i just do init 3 and sh the installer |
| 02:18.10 | guest442 | actually the only way i got it to work initially was from the nvidia site. |
| 02:18.12 | redpill | really, ok i guess i was wrong about that |
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| 02:18.19 | pikaro_ | guest442, tbh, I always used nvidia's installer... never really got the debian packages to work quite right. |
| 02:18.35 | Arrowmaster | nvidias installer is known to sometimes break systems |
| 02:18.41 | invntu | i mean proper as the official from the site driver |
| 02:18.47 | Arrowmaster | ive always used the debian packages and never had any issues |
| 02:19.04 | guest442 | Arrowmaster: i install nvidia using this tut https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers once i reboot i get a black screen. |
| 02:19.10 | rjsalts | pikaro_: but there is really no reason to use sendmail unless it's a legacy installation. postfix or exim would probably be better choices |
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| 02:19.25 | abrotman | s/probably// |
| 02:19.37 | invntu | guest442: just install the proper drivers |
| 02:19.45 | guest442 | i was trying to get steam to work so i need the ia32 library |
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| 02:19.53 | Arrowmaster | guest442: did you create an xorg.conf file? |
| 02:19.54 | invntu | aka binary blob |
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| 02:20.09 | guest442 | i did. i must not be doing it right. |
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| 02:20.11 | guest442 | :( |
| 02:20.12 | Arrowmaster | delete it |
| 02:20.26 | rjsalts | abrotman: you might get a masochistic kick out of torturing your colleagues with sendmail.cf |
| 02:20.28 | Arrowmaster | !tell guest442 about nvidia dkms |
| 02:20.29 | guest442 | well i started over since it wiped my system. |
| 02:20.38 | rjsalts | abrotman: sadistic even |
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| 02:20.46 | guest442 | Arrowmaster: cool i will have a look tyvm. if i have questions ill ask. |
| 02:21.08 | Arrowmaster | if you copy and paste that line the dpkg bot just sent you and run it in a root shell it should work from a fresh system |
| 02:21.30 | pikaro_ | rjsalts, good to know. sendmail just came preinstalled with the vps, so I extended the existing config and never gave it much thought. well, now that saslauthd etc are working correctly (and I actually understand what I'm doing a bit), I suppose setting up something else wouldn't be as much of an issue. |
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| 02:22.10 | guest442 | Arrowmaster: awesome i am emailing myself that command now |
| 02:22.22 | guest442 | Arrowmaster: i will let you know how it turns out. |
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| 02:22.43 | Arrowmaster | ask later if you have any questions |
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| 02:23.03 | guest442 | Arrowmaster: great ty! |
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| 02:23.42 | pikaro | guest442, siduction has pretty good install scripts for nvidia drivers if those are still up to date (and the didn't rename the project again). they do everything from downloading the drivers to configuring X for you. |
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| 02:24.28 | jeuk | suggestions for recompiling vim with python? |
| 02:25.02 | guest442 | pikaro: cool i will keep that in mind. i have used smxi before but id rather keep it basic for now. ill try to command dpkg bot gave. |
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| 02:25.12 | invntu | sparky also comes with proper drivers bundle if im not mistaken |
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| 02:25.55 | pikaro | ah yeah, smxi was the name. just tried to look it up, been a while since I used it. |
| 02:26.34 | hoactzin` | since upgrading to jessie, starting X gives me a blank frozen tty |
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| 02:27.05 | hoactzin` | can't even switch vterms |
| 02:27.58 | invntu | http://sparkylinux.org/sparky-repository/ |
| 02:28.14 | invntu | use at your own risk |
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| 02:30.20 | abrotman | invntu: then please don't suggest them |
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| 02:32.31 | kunwon1 | how do i change default web browser in wheezy? |
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| 02:32.47 | hoactzin` | kunwon1: maybe xdg-mime |
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| 02:33.06 | dvs | kunwon1: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 02:33.49 | kunwon1 | dvs: thanks |
| 02:34.07 | dvs | no prob |
| 02:34.21 | themill | or possibly gnome-www-browser. Or possibly some other setting in a DE |
| 02:34.35 | hoactzin` | X log's last words were vesa: Ignoring device with bound kernel driver |
| 02:34.36 | hoactzin` | waiting for X server to begin accepting connections |
| 02:34.49 | hoactzin` | sorry about the \n |
| 02:35.31 | hoactzin` | then it just hangs |
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| 03:01.44 | kunwon1 | after running update-alternatives --config x-www-browser how do i make the changes apply to my current X session? i've tried logging out and back in |
| 03:01.59 | abrotman | What is your WM or DE? |
| 03:02.23 | kunwon1 | abrotman: i'm running gnome in wheezy with no video card, so gnome-fallback or something |
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| 03:10.58 | abrotman | no video card? |
| 03:11.11 | abrotman | kunwon1: you'll have to find the gnome-settings applet. there's a place in ther eto set it |
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| 03:12.20 | kunwon1 | abrotman: thanks! it's in the 'system details' pane, not very intuitive. but fixed it! |
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| 03:18.55 | veek | why do you need to ifconfig down everytime you iwconfig on a b43 wlan0? any idea? |
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| 03:21.19 | guest442 | Arrowmaster: so that info you gave me worked perfectly. my nvidia driver is installed. Do you have a recommendation to safely install Steam? |
| 03:21.50 | Arrowmaster | the official .deb works fine |
| 03:22.19 | guest442 | From what I was reading, you can install Steam from Jessie. I tried those instructions and thats when it broke my system. |
| 03:22.32 | guest442 | Cool ty. I will try from the website. |
| 03:22.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah i just use the official .deb |
| 03:22.47 | guest442 | cool. let me try that and get back to you. tyvm! |
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| 03:23.34 | guest442 | libc6 dependency error when i run it w gdebi. |
| 03:25.09 | guest442 | from my previous attempts of installing steam from the official website. and trying to troubleshoot this libc6 error. it seems like theres a compatiblity issue. |
| 03:25.14 | guest442 | with dependencies. |
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| 03:30.47 | guest442 | Arrowmaster: do you know a good tut on getting steam to install on wheezy? |
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| 03:31.28 | guest442 | i guess i could try jessie again but i dont want it to break again. especially now that i got my gfx card installed. |
| 03:31.28 | Arrowmaster | dont think wheezy has a new enough libc |
| 03:32.01 | guest442 | im asking the ppl in #steamos but seems like noone is awake. |
| 03:32.37 | guest442 | ill try jessie repo again and hope it works. ill let you all know. |
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| 03:35.35 | SirLagz | guest442: jessie should work. I'm using Steam at home on jessie |
| 03:36.00 | guest442 | hmm it looks like it will break my box again if i try it. i guess i will just have to wait for libc6 compatibility. |
| 03:36.18 | SirLagz | guest442: that will be when jessie becomes stable lol |
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| 03:38.34 | guest442 | :( i run the aptitude install steam command and get accept this solution with what looks like a lot of breakage. |
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| 03:40.34 | SirLagz | guest442: i would upgrade the whole system to jessie then add the non-free repositories and install steam from the debian repos |
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| 03:41.11 | guest442 | hmm. i am worried that it will break my nvidia driver then. |
| 03:41.22 | SirLagz | I'm using nvidia on jessie fine |
| 03:41.30 | guest442 | i ran the command that Arrowmaster suggested from the dpkg bot |
| 03:41.35 | guest442 | cool ill try it |
| 03:41.42 | guest442 | how do i upgrade to jessie? |
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| 03:41.43 | guest442 | :D |
| 03:42.05 | SirLagz | change everything in /etc/apt/sources.list from wheezy to jessie, then run apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade as root |
| 03:42.23 | guest442 | cool ill do that brb. ty! |
| 03:42.27 | SirLagz | np |
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| 03:46.42 | arthurfiggis | guest442: a belated answer but steam depends on a version of glibc later than the one that's in debian wheezy...i'm not sure how you'd solve that exactly but i might look into dual booting debian and steamos if that's at all possible...the best platforms for steam are still windows and, possibly, steamos in my experiencee :( |
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| 03:47.22 | SirLagz | arthurfiggis: I've been using Steam on my debian box for a while now. No issues here, though I'm running Jessie and not Wheezy |
| 03:47.45 | guest442 | arthurfiggis: ty id rather not use windows or steamos |
| 03:47.54 | guest442 | i know it would be easier but meh |
| 03:48.07 | arthurfiggis | SirLagz: ahh, well that's great news then...perhaps i'll have to give it a try on a different distro, kubuntu or mint :) i'd rather run stable debian if i run it at all |
| 03:48.11 | guest442 | SirLagz: i upgraded to jessie still getting the same breakage issue |
| 03:48.25 | SirLagz | guest442: what version of libc is installed now ? |
| 03:48.47 | guest442 | how to i check? |
| 03:48.51 | abrotman | did you reboot? |
| 03:48.56 | Arrowmaster | breakage in what? |
| 03:48.59 | guest442 | not yet |
| 03:49.03 | guest442 | let me rb really qick |
| 03:49.05 | guest442 | quick |
| 03:49.09 | guest442 | prolly a good idea! |
| 03:49.36 | guest442 | Arrowmaster: just getting errors of dependencies |
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| 03:49.49 | Arrowmaster | from steam? |
| 03:50.06 | abrotman | you can use paste.debian.net to show us .. |
| 03:50.07 | guest442 | from running the command aptitude install steam |
| 03:50.12 | guest442 | sure sec |
| 03:51.09 | guest442 | still rb |
| 03:51.44 | SirLagz | ah i didn't realise there were linux stats on the website |
| 03:51.56 | SirLagz | now to spam to get me to the top :D j/k |
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| 03:55.29 | arthurfiggis | guest442: i'd rather not use either myself as well actually, and if it's working well in jessie then it'll work well in debian stable eventually...for now i've been mostly sticking to consoles for games and debian for the pc, although i do miss pc gaming a bit, i don't miss windows 8 or ubuntu much ;) |
| 03:56.02 | SirLagz | arthurfiggis: plenty of games that run without steam :D |
| 03:56.03 | guest442 | http://paste.debian.net/76314/ |
| 03:56.08 | SirLagz | arthurfiggis: have you checked out the humble indie bundles ? |
| 03:56.20 | guest442 | running that command as root and in jessie upgraded |
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| 03:56.46 | arthurfiggis | SirLagz: that's certainly true :) i haven't checked those out specifically because i wasn't sure if they were only available on steam these days or not...i -think- i got amnesia from one of them, the first game i got for linux since quake 4 that just worked, everywhere i tried it |
| 03:56.59 | arthurfiggis | plus it was an excellent game, which doesn't hurt :) |
| 03:57.03 | SirLagz | hehe |
| 03:57.04 | Viking667 | 'llo. how do i install a package for a different architecture? i.e. install a 32-bit lib on a 64-bit system? |
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| 03:57.14 | SirLagz | I've been playing FTL on debian, that's pretty good |
| 03:57.20 | SirLagz | Viking667: apt-get install package:arch |
| 03:57.26 | Viking667 | ahh. Thanks. |
| 03:57.28 | SirLagz | Viking667: apt-get install nano:i386 for example |
| 03:57.43 | guest442 | arthurfiggis: good for you brother. im like you if i cant game thats okay but a good game every now and again is good for the soul. :D |
| 03:57.43 | SirLagz | Viking667: you may need to enable multiarch before you can do that |
| 03:57.49 | Viking667 | done that. |
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| 03:58.23 | SirLagz | guest442: apt-get -u dist-upgrade first |
| 03:58.37 | SirLagz | guest442: you haven't upgraded to jessie yet. |
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| 03:58.52 | arthurfiggis | guest442: oh definitely...i hope that steamos gets more titles if for no other reason than to have a platform besides windows to game on :( i was happy to dual boot windows 7 and linux, but with windows 8 and their secure boot restrictions they really shot themselves in the foot |
| 03:59.04 | abrotman | !ot |
| 03:59.04 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 03:59.16 | arthurfiggis | abrotman: whoops! sorry |
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| 03:59.31 | Viking667 | meh. Now it's complaining about this and that and the other dependency. |
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| 04:00.04 | guest442 | SirLagz: when i run that command it gives me a steam error. let me pastebin. |
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| 04:01.57 | guest442 | SirLagz: this is the error http://paste.debian.net/76315/ |
| 04:02.40 | guest442 | Sorry I forgot to mention it. I did do the dist-ugrade in that command you gave and got the error. i just ignored it. |
| 04:03.08 | SirLagz | guest442: ignoring errors is not the best thing to do lol |
| 04:03.16 | SirLagz | guest442: tried running apt-get install -f ? |
| 04:03.20 | guest442 | i could try the force install |
| 04:03.23 | guest442 | not yet |
| 04:03.27 | SirLagz | run that |
| 04:03.28 | guest442 | ill give it a go |
| 04:04.15 | guest442 | ya its not like it will miraculously fix itself ;b |
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| 04:06.11 | guest442 | SirLagz: okay got another error but then i finally was able to run apt-get -u dist-upgrade command you gave. installing 600+mb of stuff. |
| 04:06.32 | guest442 | then i may be able to finally install it. |
| 04:06.37 | SirLagz | guest442: after it installs everything then try again |
| 04:06.48 | guest442 | will do! |
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| 04:12.27 | Viking667 | sigh. now it's complaining it can't install stuff because of unresolvable dependencies. |
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| 04:16.15 | Viking667 | Ah well. I'll get back to this later then. |
| 04:16.17 | Viking667 | thanks. |
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| 04:38.46 | tuxy | shit...how do I dual stack ipv4 and ipv6 without destroying everything? |
| 04:38.56 | centrx | Use ipv10 ? |
| 04:39.31 | tuxy | I can't seem to configure /etc/network/interfaces to dual stack ipv4 and ipv6 |
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| 04:39.36 | tuxy | and having both work |
| 04:40.09 | sammy | http://pastebin.com/VeZp92bn super super simple apt-pinning. what did I goof? |
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| 04:40.50 | guest442 | tuxy: i think your fix is in the hosts file |
| 04:41.01 | tuxy | ok what am I doing in the hosts file? |
| 04:41.31 | guest442 | look up a sample ipv6 and ipv4 config and make sure you have the entries. |
| 04:41.44 | tuxy | hmm ok let me look around |
| 04:41.50 | guest442 | nano /etc/hosts |
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| 04:43.50 | tuxy | I know how to edit it, guest442 |
| 04:43.58 | tuxy | but I dont know what entries to add/modify |
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| 04:47.35 | tuxy | guest442, im not finding anything on dual stack configurations |
| 04:47.47 | guest442 | try adding this to your hosts |
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| 04:48.36 | guest442 | # IPv6 127.0.0.1 local host ::1 localhost #[IPv6] |
| 04:49.03 | guest442 | same for ipv4 just change to IPv4 instead of IPv6 |
| 04:49.28 | guest442 | of course the # is comments the command goes below it |
| 04:49.42 | guest442 | try those two entries |
| 04:50.06 | guest442 | then run sudo sysctl -p |
| 04:50.28 | guest442 | or you can rebo.ot and see if that fixes you |
| 04:50.41 | tuxy | those are already there |
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| 04:51.24 | tuxy | so |
| 04:51.29 | tuxy | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 04:51.32 | tuxy | ::1 localhost |
| 04:51.35 | tuxy | right? |
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| 04:51.43 | guest442 | let me pastebin |
| 04:52.03 | guest442 | sorry for the spam |
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| 04:53.02 | guest442 | http://paste.debian.net/76318/ |
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| 04:53.53 | tuxy | does it matter to have each set for IPv4 and IPv6? |
| 04:54.49 | guest442 | you could try just ipv6 and comment out ipv4. see if it works like that. if it does not you will need to try both then reboot. |
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| 04:55.18 | guest442 | if you dont run the sysctl -p command you will have to reboot. it may force you to rb either way for settings to take. |
| 04:55.31 | tuxy | hmm ok let me try it |
| 04:56.55 | tuxy | ok what do I do after that, guest442 |
| 04:57.12 | guest442 | try to reboot. see if that fixes your conx issue. |
| 04:57.33 | wiak | https://www.dropbox.com/s/9rvz1ikwvvmmddv/newsolderingiron_tryout1.jpg <- i think i did better with new soldering iron, than my first cmoy soldering a year ago, that did go to well https://www.dropbox.com/s/9rvz1ikwvvmmddv/newsolderingiron_tryout1.jpg |
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| 04:58.18 | nevyn | cmoy? |
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| 04:58.34 | nevyn | a decent iron makes a huge differece |
| 04:59.22 | nevyn | wiak: cmoy? |
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| 04:59.54 | tuxy | guest442, ipv4 and ipv6 bound, but not connectivity in the ipv6 |
| 05:02.51 | guest442 | tuxy: try to disable firewall then run a connectivity test |
| 05:04.16 | tuxy | guest442, there is no firewall |
| 05:04.35 | wiak | nevyn cmoy is a cheap and good portable audio ampifier that you can make your self |
| 05:05.06 | wiak | http://fredsamplifiers.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=25 |
| 05:05.07 | wiak | :) |
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| 05:06.16 | nevyn | oh right.oh. |
| 05:06.29 | wiak | nevyn antex XS25 iron is sweet, its small, and easy to handle, and there is alot of good tips for it |
| 05:07.11 | wiak | is there any iivp6 tuxy ? |
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| 05:07.44 | wiak | note to self, order moar $2 DIY soldering kits to practice on |
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| 05:14.03 | nevyn | wiak: I've got a okish hako 936 clone. it's a big square box with a nice pen |
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| 05:18.11 | wiak | nevyn cool, i have this http://www.antex.co.uk/soldering/standard-soldering-irons/xs25/ :P |
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| 05:21.59 | nevyn | wiak: if you're going to do pcb's with any sort of regularity... get a temp controled iron |
| 05:22.18 | zinx | ^ |
| 05:22.37 | nevyn | even if it's only (shudder) 40W |
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| 05:23.59 | nevyn | Don't worry about digital radout a pot is fine. |
| 05:25.10 | guest442 | Arrowmaster: SirLagz Thank you both! it was time consuming but your help got my box up and run. Video installed Steam installed. Even tested a game. Woot! |
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| 05:27.36 | jonathanpoon | hi everyone, I'm currently using Jessie. I wanted to swap out video cards going from an nvidia to an ATI card. After installing the drivers, I am no longer able to start gnome3. |
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| 05:27.58 | jonathanpoon | I just sit on a blank screen after gdm3 starts. Am I missing a step? |
| 05:28.02 | wiak | try a diffrent version of driver? |
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| 05:28.40 | wiak | did you try aticonfig --initial ? |
| 05:28.44 | jonathanpoon | wiak, to go further, I installed my previous video card |
| 05:28.55 | jonathanpoon | and its no longer able to get into gnome as well |
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| 05:29.10 | wiak | did you uninstall amd driver? |
| 05:29.17 | jonathanpoon | no |
| 05:29.44 | wiak | amd drivers installed and a nvidia card installed, hmm |
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| 05:30.20 | guest442 | is radeon blacklisted in modprobe? |
| 05:30.28 | wiak | amd drivers = ati drivers :P |
| 05:31.16 | jonathanpoon | I'll check to make sure it isn't blacklisted |
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| 05:39.20 | AllusiveGold | Resolve anyones skype name into an IP address using "http://ct.lefs.me/skype/resolve.php?id=USERNAME" free skype resolver, fast and accurate! || DivineStresser.com for 150Gbps network stress testing! |
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| 05:48.05 | Radon_3 | hi everyone, I don't know if you guys still remember me or not, but this is radon_3 from yesterday, I haven't slept for 24 hours and I have got debian installed on my system and the good news is that it now recognizes my winxp in the boot screen, but I still don't know how to install my nvidia driver |
| 05:48.38 | oli_the_obliviou | ok |
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| 05:48.47 | oli_the_obliviou | you download the nvidia driver from website |
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| 05:49.06 | Deeps | no |
| 05:49.06 | oli_the_obliviou | then sudo chmod +x nameofthedriverinstaller.sh |
| 05:49.09 | Deeps | stop right there |
| 05:49.24 | Deeps | please read https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 05:49.31 | Radon_3 | oh, hi Deeps, thank god you are here |
| 05:49.37 | oli_the_obliviou | god is dead |
| 05:49.56 | Deeps | lol |
| 05:50.20 | Radon_3 | whether he is dead or not, it is a good expression :) |
| 05:50.35 | oli_the_obliviou | yeah i prefer thank dog |
| 05:50.58 | oli_the_obliviou | because dogs saved more lifes |
| 05:51.08 | Radon_3 | so, I'm under xfce, would that be an issue? |
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| 05:52.38 | Deeps | no, it'll be fine |
| 05:53.26 | baihutech | is there anyway |
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| 05:53.53 | baihutech | to stop xbmc from using so much CPU usage |
| 05:54.06 | baihutech | making all movies run choppie |
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| 05:55.02 | Deeps | baihutech: xbmc decodes videos in cpu if your graphics card isn't capable of decoding the video codecs |
| 05:55.21 | oli_the_obliviou | vdmeow |
| 05:55.54 | oli_the_obliviou | with radeon you could use those 3.12 kernel, great drivers |
| 05:56.12 | baihutech | Deeps, so if i put in a better video card |
| 05:56.17 | baihutech | do you think this will help with issue |
| 05:56.20 | oli_the_obliviou | i use a PCI 5450 or something (just pci) for hdpc, and it works without any problem on a intel atom 1080p |
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| 05:56.57 | baihutech | right now its running with the unboard video |
| 05:57.09 | Deeps | baihutech: yup, but like oli_the_obliviou notes, if you're only interested in offloading h264 video, it doesn't need to be a high end card, just one that supports h264 offloadin |
| 05:57.33 | baihutech | got ya |
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| 05:57.43 | baihutech | thanks to both for advise |
| 05:57.52 | baihutech | will get pci express to morrow for testing |
| 05:57.58 | Deeps | make sure you consider drivers under debian / linux before purchasing |
| 05:58.19 | baihutech | ahh... your right.. |
| 05:58.20 | baihutech | thanks |
| 05:59.21 | jzk1 | When I use tab completion in bash it seems to actually output a tab character or something -- so when I hit ctrl-a to go to the beginning of the line the cursor displays somewhere in the middle |
| 05:59.31 | jzk1 | Any ideas where I should start looking to fix this? |
| 05:59.46 | Radon_3 | Deeps: What should I do exactly for the first step there: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy-173xx |
| 05:59.48 | Radon_3 | ? |
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| 06:00.36 | oli_the_obliviou | openan editor |
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| 06:00.44 | oli_the_obliviou | and edit those sources.list |
| 06:01.17 | oli_the_obliviou | then copy and paste that aptutide update to the terminal |
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| 06:01.58 | Radon_3 | I mean, in step 1, should I copy everything in that box, and paste it to the end of the file? |
| 06:02.06 | oli_the_obliviou | nah |
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| 06:02.35 | oli_the_obliviou | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 06:02.49 | Deeps | no, you just need to add 'contrib' and 'non-free' your repos in sources.list |
| 06:03.07 | Deeps | so just add it to the end of the existing deb lines you have |
| 06:03.10 | oli_the_obliviou | this holy line |
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| 06:05.15 | Radon_3 | can I paste whatever is in that file online, so you can tell me what the edited version should looklike? |
| 06:05.29 | oli_the_obliviou | like a fnord |
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| 06:06.05 | Deeps | sure, but it's really not that hard |
| 06:06.18 | oli_the_obliviou | just add this line somewhere in the file |
| 06:06.50 | oli_the_obliviou | it tells to the package manager taking a look into the main contrib and non-free packages |
| 06:08.27 | Radon_3 | http://justpaste.it/e3ky |
| 06:09.09 | Deeps | be nice if you used a pastebin that allowed for easy editing |
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| 06:09.11 | Deeps | and didnt delete linebreaks |
| 06:09.14 | Deeps | like pastebin.com |
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| 06:09.44 | Radon_3 | ok |
| 06:09.51 | Radon_3 | w8 |
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| 06:11.51 | oli_the_obliviou | you have a overdose of radon? |
| 06:12.16 | Radon_3 | sorry again: http://pastebin.com/YYZC3jZm |
| 06:12.25 | Radon_3 | is it better? |
| 06:13.36 | oli_the_obliviou | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free |
| 06:13.41 | Deeps | http://pastebin.com/cbs8g07G |
| 06:13.47 | oli_the_obliviou | add that contrib and non-free to this line |
| 06:13.58 | Deeps | although you only /need/ it in the first one, as oli_the_obliviou has pointed out |
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| 06:14.54 | oli_the_obliviou | sorry my back murts, i have to feed my ducks brb |
| 06:15.07 | oli_the_obliviou | howard is waiting |
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| 06:15.16 | Radon_3 | ok, I agree, if you sleep for less than 4 hours you become an idiot in the following day |
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| 06:17.41 | oli_the_obliviou | you need some regeneration like the borg |
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| 06:19.59 | oli_the_obliviou | i'm still looking for my brother munchy the hungry |
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| 06:22.53 | Radon_3 | do I 'su' for step 2 or just paste "# aptitude update" in a normal terminal windows and hit enter? |
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| 06:28.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps I am trying to find a mysql friendly bookmark server? for all my links, |
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| 06:28.52 | Radon_3 | would it be ok if I run 'aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms' twice? |
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| 06:30.51 | Radon_3 | Deeps? would it? |
| 06:32.52 | Radon_3 | I got this error message: http://pastebin.com/nT51gVqf what should I do? |
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| 06:33.31 | Deeps | Radon_3: read the wiki, read the error, engage brain please, it's really not that difficult |
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| 06:33.52 | Deeps | the wiki talks about that as well, and as per the message, also simpy says to reboot once the installation has finished |
| 06:34.34 | Radon_3 | well I'm just scred my man, if I get a black screen again after the installation, I have wasted about 2GB worth of bandwidth |
| 06:34.44 | Radon_3 | also 48 hours of time |
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| 06:35.31 | Deeps | if oyu get a black screen, you'll still be able to boot into windows and come in to ask for help, where someone can advise that ctrl+alt+f1 will probably dump you back to the command line |
| 06:35.50 | Deeps | X breaking is not the end of the world |
| 06:36.29 | Radon_3 | alright man, you are right :) but you are a pro and i'm not even a newbie, so I should be scared |
| 06:37.01 | Radon_3 | ok, would it be alright to run 'aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms' again? |
| 06:37.04 | Deeps | then sleep and restart when you can think properly |
| 06:37.12 | Deeps | sure |
| 06:37.36 | Radon_3 | ok |
| 06:37.47 | Radon_3 | good, nothing happened :) |
| 06:38.16 | Deeps | i'm off to work, good luck |
| 06:38.23 | aarcane | what's the generally preferred way to manage packages in debian these days? Do we prefer aptitude still, or have we gone the way of the ubuntu and migrated back to apt-get ? |
| 06:38.35 | Radon_3 | best of luck Deeps |
| 06:38.42 | Radon_3 | thanks a lot for helping me man |
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| 06:39.00 | Deeps | aarcane: i asked that a couple of weeks ago too, apparently it's still down to your own preference, as both largely still have their respective upsides and downsides |
| 06:39.26 | Deeps | aarcane: so i continue to use apt-get as that's what i learnt back in woody |
| 06:41.36 | aarcane | Deeps, I have preferred aptitude for a while, since that's what I learned back on.. somewhere between potato, woody, and sarge. Probably woody. I've always hated the ubuntu resistance to it... though it is a lot slower on low end systems with whatever it does at the end of it doing the package thing. |
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| 06:43.09 | aarcane | Deeps, I still remember downloading a WHOLE whopping 7 ISOs using JigDo over DSL to try to install debian ^,.,^ |
| 06:43.55 | Radon_3 | Deeps before you go can I ask a question about https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Performance? |
| 06:44.17 | aarcane | Deeps, oh, have fun at work. |
| 06:45.31 | Radon_3 | ok, where and how should I add those options into the config file? |
| 06:45.47 | Radon_3 | should I include the word "option"? |
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| 06:47.52 | Radon_3 | ok, i'm restarting |
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| 06:56.55 | jimbobdave | I was looking at the debian sources.list generator for each release, and I'm adding .list file for each release in a subfolder under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<directory>/new.list.file - I was just wondering I i had added i386 architecture via dpkg, are the repositories the different, or are they they same? I am just curious; becuase the list asks you to pick 32BIT or 64 BIT |
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| 06:59.48 | Radon_3 | thank you everyone, I have nvidia drive up and running and the picture is here too |
| 07:00.09 | Radon_3 | the only problem is that it is like 640x480 or maybe less |
| 07:00.23 | Radon_3 | I can't change it in dispplay settings of the system |
| 07:00.27 | Radon_3 | what to do? |
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| 07:10.20 | lemimique | debian <3 |
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| 07:11.44 | themill | jimbobdave: we'd recommend against mixing releases -- it always ends in tears. (apt automatically deals with the multiarch stuff for you, you need do nothing to your sources.list) |
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| 07:16.06 | jimbobdave | okay, I know that from experience hence why I'm starting from scratch, but just for future reference, are 32 bit repos and 64 bit repos for debian typically the same |
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| 07:17.20 | jimbobdave | I just noticed the main contrib,non-free, are usually the same address, but if you choose 32 bit vs. 64 in the list generator, you get different results for the 3rd party repos |
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| 07:27.53 | themill | jimbobdave: what list generator is that? debgen.simplylinux.ch? It's a piece of crap... don't touch it |
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| 07:30.39 | jimbobdave | #Third Parties Repos |
| 07:30.39 | jimbobdave | #Debian Multimedia |
| 07:30.39 | jimbobdave | deb http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian-multimedia/ stable main |
| 07:30.39 | jimbobdave | #webmin |
| 07:30.39 | jimbobdave | www.webmin.com |
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| 07:30.58 | jimbobdave | ftp://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/dists/squeeze/contrib/ |
| 07:31.00 | jimbobdave | #nginx |
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| 07:31.04 | jimbobdave | http://nginx.org/packages/debian/ squeeze nginx |
| 07:31.05 | jimbobdave | #deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free |
| 07:31.06 | jimbobdave | http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free main |
| 07:31.08 | jimbobdave | #deb-multimedia.org |
| 07:31.10 | jimbobdave | http://www.deb-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free |
| 07:31.12 | jimbobdave | #Debian Multimedia Australia |
| 07:31.14 | jimbobdave | http://mirror.optus.net/debian-multimedia/ stable main |
| 07:31.16 | jimbobdave | #Bumblebee Debian repository |
| 07:31.20 | jimbobdave | http://suwako.nomanga.net/debian stable main contrib |
| 07:31.22 | jimbobdave | |
| 07:31.30 | jimbobdave | http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 07:31.38 | jimbobdave | Is that what you are referring to? |
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| 07:32.24 | jimbobdave | Will adding third party repos unless I specifically need them a good a idea? I'd rather not go through all and add them all, and then add the ones that are extra for 32 bit |
| 07:32.41 | jimbobdave | even if i did add dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 07:34.45 | bezaban | not adding third party repos is a good idea |
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| 07:43.44 | oli_the_obliviou | velora end |
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| 07:47.14 | oli_the_obliviou | where can i get hand crafted bongs? |
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| 07:52.38 | centrx | oli_the_obliviou, packages.debian.org |
| 07:52.48 | oskie | great... yesterday a drive failed in my mdadm RAID5 array. today the second drive died. |
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| 07:53.15 | oli_the_obliviou | oskie, fascinating you should use raid6 and a hot spare |
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| 07:56.03 | oli_the_obliviou | i personally use a 16x 3tb array with 2 hot spare in raid6 |
| 07:56.51 | oli_the_obliviou | i had to replace about 10 drives within the first year |
| 07:57.03 | oli_the_obliviou | never western digicrap again! |
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| 08:10.58 | jelly | oli_the_obliviou: every single vendor has problematic series and good series, next wd might be alright |
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| 08:11.17 | jelly | oli_the_obliviou: oh: which particular 3TB model did you have issues with? |
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| 08:19.10 | PinkFoxFur | HI is there any way I can copy my itunes library to linux & use it with my ipod classic, iphone & ipad ?? |
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| 08:19.42 | PinkFoxFur | will either be using debian or crunchbang linux... |
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| 08:22.56 | archl | hi, is there bugs in wheezy mysql? |
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| 08:23.24 | SirLagz | archl: yes |
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| 08:26.02 | archl | SirLagz: so is the starting bug known, I just installed mysql-server-5.5 on my vps , and found mysql won't start |
| 08:26.15 | SirLagz | archl: what starting bug ? |
| 08:26.24 | SirLagz | archl: how do you know it's a bug ? |
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| 08:27.35 | archl | SirLagz: well, a package suppose to work out-of-box isn't it, at least not fail after installation |
| 08:27.52 | SirLagz | archl: assuming your VPS is setup correctly, yes |
| 08:28.05 | SirLagz | if your VPS isn't setup correctly, then all bets are off. |
| 08:28.44 | archl | SirLagz: how to check it, please tell me. Thanks. |
| 08:28.45 | SirLagz | archl: but i would doubt that a bug as serious as stopping mysql from starting after install wouldn't already be fixed. so it's more likely to be a VPS configuration issue. |
| 08:28.51 | SirLagz | archl: check the logs for mysql |
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| 08:32.05 | archl | SirLagz: I found no logs in /var/log/mysql and here I paste those during installation http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/582409 |
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| 08:32.37 | SirLagz | is there anything in /var/log/daemon ? |
| 08:33.25 | SirLagz | archl: is this VPS using Debian ? |
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| 08:34.31 | archl | SirLagz: I selected Debian 7 minimal from the panel - may the "minimal" means missing config? |
| 08:34.43 | SirLagz | what panel ? |
| 08:34.50 | archl | SirLagz: vps panel |
| 08:35.08 | SirLagz | I would contact your VPS and get them to help you get MySQL running. |
| 08:35.09 | archl | to specify https://panel.ssdvps.com:5656/home.php |
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| 08:37.15 | archl | SirLagz: oh, I submit a ticket, if you interested what’s happening, I will bring the link back here. |
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| 08:37.41 | SirLagz | archl: no, its ok. |
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| 08:38.20 | archl | SirLagz: thank you, I will come back anyway :) |
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| 08:46.13 | EvilDMP | how can I recursively copy all files within in a directory structure /first/directory/structure to the same position within /second/directory/structure, but only if the files have "32x32" in the filename? (I want to leave all other files in /second/directory/structure untouched) |
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| 09:20.01 | somiaj | EvilDMP: you could use the find command to get the names of all the files, then copy the list that is generated |
| 09:20.28 | EvilDMP | somiaj: yeah, its that syntax that eludes me! |
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| 09:22.07 | ui_ | installing packages on Debian chroot on my key is slow, while on Live CD is very fast. /sys/block/sdd/stat tells me it's not reading anything while writing, I have 2 free GB of RAM (4 total) and CPU is used < 10%. What can I do to speed it up? |
| 09:22.23 | somiaj | EvilDMP: you could also do something like 'cp -r /path/to/directory/*32x32* /path/to/dest', then keep padding extra direcotry * there. kinda a crappy way but it works |
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| 09:23.02 | somiaj | EvilDMP: so 'cp -r /path/to/directory/*/*32x32* /path/to/dest' -- hmm that may cause a problem if directories don't exist yet. actually I think I have an idea |
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| 09:26.47 | somiaj | EvilDMP: rsync -av --include=**32x32** /path/to/source /path/to/dest -- I think that will suit your needs, might want to put a --dry-run on there where it doesn't copy if you want to test it first |
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| 09:29.29 | EvilDMP | thanks somiaj - will have a play! |
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| 09:32.07 | bp_ | here's a question you must've been asked far too often: what's the expected EOL date for Squeeze? |
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| 09:33.45 | jelly | bp_: typically, one year from release of squeeze+1 |
| 09:33.51 | jelly | !release history |
| 09:33.52 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7.0; 2013-05-04). The next release will be Jessie. http://debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases |
| 09:33.59 | jelly | bp_: so, May 2014 |
| 09:34.35 | bp_ | :( |
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| 09:35.00 | themill | bp_: unless enough people like yourself undertake to offer security support for longer, that is. |
| 09:35.21 | bp_ | ":(" means "I wish there was less Python 2.6 in the world sooner" |
| 09:35.27 | themill | heh |
| 09:35.38 | bp_ | so by all means, bring it on :P |
| 09:35.53 | themill | so I shouldn't mention that python2.6 is also in wheezy then? (just not the default) |
| 09:36.04 | bp_ | (yes, yes, I know, Python 3 is in Squeeze too) |
| 09:36.05 | jelly | bp_: RHEL6 will be supported until... 2020ish? |
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| 09:36.45 | jelly | python-2.6.6-51.el6.x86_64 is their system python |
| 09:36.52 | bp_ | /f+/ |
| 09:37.06 | jelly | HTH :-) |
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| 09:44.54 | nashant | Hey guys. How do I disable screen blanking? |
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| 09:49.54 | adc | nashant: In X? If so, `xset s noblank` |
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| 09:59.43 | nashant | cheers adc |
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| 10:03.37 | adc | nashant: no problem |
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| 10:13.23 | biglama | hi guys |
| 10:13.35 | biglama | i considering switching from stable to testing |
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| 10:14.02 | biglama | how safe is testing and will packages be really more up-to-date ? |
| 10:14.40 | CissWit | biglama: well, first it depends on packages |
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| 10:15.00 | CissWit | you need to check first what packages is an issue for you not being more up-to-date and check if it's better in testing |
| 10:15.15 | biglama | CissWit: how can i see the version for stable vs testing ? |
| 10:15.20 | CissWit | and also, check that there isn't a backport for this package |
| 10:15.44 | CissWit | biglama: you can search on packages.debian.org http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnome&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
| 10:15.49 | ChrisH | biglama: This is a difficult question. For servers I would not use testing. for Desktops I offten choose testing to be able to provide feedback to the community. |
| 10:15.54 | CissWit | there an example for gnome |
| 10:17.28 | CissWit | biglama: two other things that you need to know about testing is that patches are first applied to unstable before being applied to testing. So, it happens that a packages is broken for a long time in testing (it shouldn't happen often, but you should still know it) |
| 10:17.43 | CissWit | and same for security updates, testing is often the last to receives the updates |
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| 10:18.23 | biglama | CissWit: i didn't know about backports ! For security updates, you mean it's first unstable, then stable *then* testing ? |
| 10:18.43 | biglama | ChrisH: so testing can be really troublesome ? |
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| 10:18.57 | CissWit | no stable gets security updates pretty fast |
| 10:19.37 | biglama | i've have been using debian stable for 2-3 years and i'm currently testing archlinux on my laptop |
| 10:19.42 | ui_ | installing packages on Debian chroot on my key is slow, while on Live CD is very fast. /sys/block/sdd/stat tells me it's not reading anything while writing, I have 2 free GB of RAM (4 total) and CPU is used < 10%. What can I do to speed it up? |
| 10:19.52 | biglama | have the latest is nice sometimes :) |
| 10:20.07 | oli_the_obliviou | darmok and jalad at tanagra |
| 10:20.45 | CissWit | biglama: no doubt about that. Still, once again, it depends on your need. For me for example, the only packages that was a real issue is iceweasel(firefox) but the mozzila team made a very good backport so its not an issue anymore |
| 10:20.51 | ChrisH | biglama: testing can be a problem |
| 10:21.03 | tparcina | How to make Pidgin notification to be wisible untill I read the message? |
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| 10:22.02 | biglama | CissWit: yeah, the few times I need the latest, I just install it from the source |
| 10:22.06 | biglama | thanks for the tips |
| 10:22.30 | CissWit | biglama: but check backports, it solves much issues |
| 10:22.44 | biglama | yup, will do |
| 10:23.26 | CissWit | and check http://mozilla.debian.net/ for last version of iceweasel (its a backport repository only for mozzila products) |
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| 10:25.44 | biglama | CissWit: i use firefox, downloaded from the mozilla website to have the latest |
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| 10:26.23 | CissWit | well, its a solution, but i think its cleaner to use the debian provided packages when possible |
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| 10:27.23 | biglama | can it impact browsing performances ? especially with flash |
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| 10:27.42 | CissWit | no |
| 10:28.54 | CissWit | they're the same program, just rebranded and packaged by debian |
| 10:29.01 | oli_the_obliviou | shaka when the walls fell |
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| 10:30.39 | biglama | frow wiki.debian.org "no inclusion of trademarked Mozilla artwork" and "backporting of security fixes" |
| 10:30.49 | biglama | so it's really the same thing |
| 10:31.19 | biglama | i thought they removed some non-free software somewhere |
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| 10:35.36 | evdo | i want to automate package update & installation, which tool would be the best choice? |
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| 10:56.52 | doublehp_ | !tell me about mplayer |
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| 10:59.32 | doublehp_ | wha is the /etc/apt/sources.list line to get mplayer ? I got it installed, but i need to update, and aptitude does not find any update |
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| 11:00.11 | Che-Anarc | Is there anyway to bind a process - run via nohup - to a specific point - where I can later resume / view it? - sort of like bg / fg? |
| 11:00.36 | bezaban | Che-Anarc: use tmux or screen |
| 11:00.50 | bezaban | and not nohup :) |
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| 11:02.13 | ChrisH | ,v mplayer |
| 11:02.14 | judd | Package: mplayer on i386 -- squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.2squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b2; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b2; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.1.1-dmo4.wheezy1; jessie-multimedia: 3:1.1.1+20131215+svn36545-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 3:1.1.1+20131215+svn36545-dmo2 |
| 11:02.32 | ChrisH | doublehp_: that are the packaged versions of mplayer. |
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| 11:04.28 | Che-Anarc | bezaban: I dont get how to resume the screen though - so I've replaced nohup - not sure how to get my process though now |
| 11:05.34 | ChrisH | Che-Anarc: start screen then inside screen start your program... now detatach fro scrren using CTRL-A D ; screen -x will attach you again |
| 11:05.40 | bezaban | Che-Anarc: it will start a new terminal in where you can run your.. |
| 11:05.45 | bezaban | what ChrisH said :P |
| 11:06.19 | contrapunctus | ChrisH: Wasn't that screen -dr <sessionid> ? O_o |
| 11:06.21 | bezaban | google 'screen guide' or something like that |
| 11:06.24 | Che-Anarc | Can I do this in /etc/rc.local ? |
| 11:06.33 | doublehp_ | ChrisH: 1.0rc3-4.4.4 ... but it has MANY bugs :/ |
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| 11:07.07 | bezaban | Che-Anarc: you can run it in rc.local with the correct flag yes |
| 11:07.42 | bezaban | or wait. might just be 'screen command' |
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| 11:08.21 | ChrisH | contrapunctus: from man screen its timtowdi |
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| 11:09.05 | bezaban | Che-Anarc: screen -r -m command |
| 11:09.10 | bezaban | -d -m * |
| 11:09.38 | bezaban | then 'screen -r' to attach to it and CTRL+A D to detach again |
| 11:09.56 | bezaban | for more refer to documentation. It is a very useful tool |
| 11:10.21 | contrapunctus | Hi, I followed the instructions here - http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ but when I run apt-get -t wheezy-backports install <package>, I get - "E: The value 'wheezy-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources" |
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| 11:10.40 | ChrisH | screen in screen is possible and usefull if the escape char is differnt for both session. |
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| 11:11.45 | bezaban | I moved to tmux a year ago or so |
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| 11:12.12 | oli_the_obliviou | fascinating |
| 11:12.17 | oli_the_obliviou | i moved to new orleans |
| 11:13.50 | petern_ | screen in screen works fine even with the escape key the same. |
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| 11:14.26 | plm | Hi all |
| 11:15.18 | ChrisH | petern_: but its easier with different escape keys :) |
| 11:15.33 | petern_ | I'd still forget which is which :) |
| 11:15.37 | doublehp_ | i can't ping ftp.fr.debian.org (2a01:e0c:1:1598::2) but i can ping many other IPs; what could be the issue ? routing ? DNS ? host down ? |
| 11:15.42 | plm | people, I have four ppp (ppp0, ppp1, ppp2 and ppp3). I would like to get the ip of each ppp and put in some place (maybe /etc/hosts) to applications know the each interface ip by hostname, not ip, how is possible? |
| 11:15.45 | doublehp_ | outdated system ? |
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| 11:16.43 | doublehp_ | plm most dhcp clients can run post-up scripts |
| 11:17.17 | petern_ | how is dhcp related to ppp? |
| 11:17.55 | doublehp_ | plm maybe you could use dynamic dns. |
| 11:18.10 | doublehp_ | plm you could also, in most case use dynamic routing feature of IPv6 |
| 11:18.14 | petern_ | There is, however, scripts in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d |
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| 11:18.45 | doublehp_ | petern_: most ppp interfaces are using dhcp |
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| 11:19.26 | doublehp_ | petern_: fixed ip does not change anything: fixed IP also can run post-up scripts; but if he is using fixed ips, I can't see wherer the problem is |
| 11:20.16 | plm | doublehp_: I'm not using dchp. And about dynamic dns I need some time to update after change ip, I need more speed.. |
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| 11:20.37 | doublehp_ | plm faster than 10s ? |
| 11:20.39 | petern_ | most ppp does not use dhcp, because ppp already has a built-ip ip allocation system |
| 11:20.47 | petern_ | er, built-in |
| 11:20.48 | plm | doublehp_: its that? |
| 11:20.58 | plm | doublehp_: like as no-ip.org? |
| 11:21.32 | doublehp_ | plm like ... the dynamic DNS protocol released around 2001 now available in most DNS services |
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| 11:22.14 | plm | doublehp_: becouse I'm using in other case the no-ip org and the time is much more than 10s |
| 11:22.18 | doublehp_ | plm nothing can be faster than post-up scripts any way. And if you are using fixed and stable IPs, /etc/hosts can do it for life time ... unless you need the name to be valid only when interface is up |
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| 11:23.00 | plm | doublehp_: is not fixed. is dongles 3g, where each reconnect get a new ip address |
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| 11:23.46 | doublehp_ | plm if it's not fixed, how can it work without dhcp ? |
| 11:23.57 | petern_ | ppp allocates ips itself, no dhcp involved |
| 11:24.09 | plm | doublehp_: petern_ answer |
| 11:24.20 | doublehp_ | still: post-up scripts |
| 11:24.34 | plm | well, port-up is fine, what file here has the ip : root@box2:/etc/ppp/ip-up.d# ls |
| 11:24.37 | plm | 0000usepeerdns 000resolvconf 0dns-up bind9 |
| 11:25.05 | petern_ | plm, you'll have to write your own script |
| 11:25.28 | petern_ | plm, the script is passed information in environment variables |
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| 11:25.47 | plm | petern_: but what variable has the IP adress from ppp? |
| 11:26.00 | doublehp_ | plm don't forget to alter the lib-resolv conf file; forgot the name |
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| 11:26.10 | petern_ | check /etc/ppp/ip-up |
| 11:26.27 | Yatmai | good morning gentlemans |
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| 11:26.32 | plm | petern_: ok |
| 11:26.40 | Yatmai | is there a way to open pgp encrypted disk in debian? |
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| 11:27.51 | doublehp_ | plm : nsswitch.conf ; if it's not set correctly, what you are gonna do won't work |
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| 11:29.31 | doublehp_ | i can't ping ftp.fr.debian.org (2a01:e0c:1:1598::2) but i can ping many other IPs; what could be the issue ? routing ? DNS ? host down ? outdated system ? |
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| 11:30.29 | ChrisH | doublehp_: I cannot ping6 ftp.fr.debian.org ping is OK |
| 11:30.45 | ompaul | if you use flash you may want to do this now update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 11:30.59 | rozie | doublehp_: you can easily check if it is routing, dns or other thing |
| 11:31.21 | rozie | but you can also use http.debian.net and don't care at all |
| 11:31.46 | doublehp_ | ChrisH: the issue is that aptitude spends lot of time waiting for timeout |
| 11:32.45 | rozie | looks like ipv6 connectivity issue for me |
| 11:33.02 | rozie | problem at their site |
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| 11:34.18 | sssilver | Gentlemen, can someone please explain the me conceptual difference between Debian unstable and latest Ubuntu? |
| 11:34.23 | sssilver | *to me |
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| 11:35.48 | oli_the_obliviou | ubuntu is unstable at all, debian is up to date but stable |
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| 11:36.27 | oli_the_obliviou | ubuntu is like unfuried horse, debian like a cold blood horse |
| 11:37.39 | biglama | oli_the_obliviou: what do you mean by "unstable" for ubuntu ? |
| 11:37.52 | oli_the_obliviou | its not a stable operating system |
| 11:37.59 | oli_the_obliviou | it could break your entire xorg |
| 11:38.13 | oli_the_obliviou | just by updating to a higher version |
| 11:38.16 | oli_the_obliviou | and other oddities |
| 11:38.36 | biglama | so not "unstable" as in "has random crashes" then ? |
| 11:38.51 | oli_the_obliviou | the codebase isn't that much different |
| 11:38.59 | oli_the_obliviou | its like a cook, he can mix the things together |
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| 11:39.17 | oli_the_obliviou | but ubuntu has to much cooks, they mix them together in a very unstable way |
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| 11:40.06 | oli_the_obliviou | i use that dist in parallel with debian and other distributions |
| 11:40.16 | biglama | do they have the same drivers ? |
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| 11:41.26 | oli_the_obliviou | its the same knerd, the same vanilla kernel with some security patches afaik |
| 11:42.18 | sssilver | OK so I'm failing to understand why Ubuntu, being essentially a fork of Debian, is more popular than Debian |
| 11:42.24 | sssilver | marketing? |
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| 11:42.55 | oli_the_obliviou | the main problem is many packages are not maintained, its a bunch of software with a list of endless bugs |
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| 11:43.23 | sssilver | ...which makes Debian better. So why on earth is Ubuntu so much more popular? |
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| 11:43.37 | sssilver | it seems like Ubuntu "is like Debian, but worse" |
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| 11:43.54 | oli_the_obliviou | because shuttlefnord (a rich south african) made a lot of advertisement in the community |
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| 11:44.08 | sssilver | so, marketing |
| 11:44.16 | sssilver | that makes sense |
| 11:44.27 | oli_the_obliviou | yeah with his weird filemanager project (that never get stable at all) |
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| 11:44.37 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 11:44.49 | oli_the_obliviou | meowtilus or something called |
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| 11:45.23 | doublehp_ | sssilver: historical reasons. Ubuntu was the first Exploitation System ever distributed for free: you could go on their website, and ask for a CD to be sent to you for free (costs were assumed by some affrican emir). And it was provided with graphical installation by default, at a time when Debian did graphical install only as beta. Ubuntu is an easy way, a real alternative for Windows users; at a time when Debian was really for "people who rea |
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| 11:46.07 | oli_the_obliviou | i installed DOS w/o having to use a GUI, so that doesn't make the things easy to use |
| 11:46.25 | abrotman | ahem ... |
| 11:46.38 | doublehp_ | sssilver: due to Ubuntu popularity, Debian teams worked harder on graphical installer, and made the installer easier to use; this is mostly cosmetic. The differences now are thinner than before. |
| 11:47.14 | themill | doublehp_: actually, the installer is barely changed. |
| 11:47.19 | oli_the_obliviou | the main problem is they change the GUI every time... |
| 11:47.38 | themill | oli_the_obliviou: perhaps you'd like to discuss that in #ubuntu. |
| 11:47.51 | oli_the_obliviou | no thats a fork |
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| 11:48.16 | sssilver | OK I think I got the point |
| 11:48.18 | doublehp_ | sssilver: Ubuntu is for people who don't want to leave the mouse away at no price. |
| 11:48.28 | sssilver | thanks much for the input |
| 11:48.29 | oli_the_obliviou | i use debian because i'm a fan of Ian curtis |
| 11:48.53 | sssilver | doublehp_, I don't understand how that is a distro thing and not a DM thing |
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| 11:48.59 | sssilver | "not leaving the mouse" concept |
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| 11:49.24 | oli_the_obliviou | any ubuntu development flow back into the debian community in the last 7 years? |
| 11:49.32 | sssilver | you don't wanna leave the mouse, OK, use Gnome or KDE. What does that have to do with the distro? |
| 11:49.47 | sssilver | and is Ubuntu's Gnome any different from Debian's Gnome? |
| 11:49.48 | themill | oli_the_obliviou: this channel is for debian user support. Please try to get back to that about 10 minutes ago. |
| 11:49.58 | doublehp_ | sssilver: read about ubuntu history on wikipedia; it's not just a distribution; it comes with sevral tipycally affrican concepts (about comunity), and ... money injected by an emir |
| 11:50.05 | oli_the_obliviou | ok i ganjapologize |
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| 11:50.52 | doublehp_ | sssilver: a guy spent money to have his own distro; that's his rights. He paid devs to do things like HE wanted. |
| 11:51.10 | abrotman | doublehp_: enough already ... |
| 11:51.24 | oli_the_obliviou | yeah and HE walked on the ISS |
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| 11:51.34 | fishsponge | in xorg, my screens are overlapping... I've gone into nvidia-settings and sorted it out, clicked "Apply" and "Save to xorg.con file", but when I then log back in, my screens are still overlapping. |
| 11:51.36 | oli_the_obliviou | becahse HE thinks HE's something special |
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| 12:02.53 | mesoderm | Hey you know what I hate about Ubuntu? |
| 12:03.11 | mesoderm | ... just kidding :) |
| 12:03.20 | SirLagz | i was about to say...lol |
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| 12:04.45 | mortal | hello |
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| 12:04.56 | mortal | got back to debian after a 6 year long break |
| 12:05.00 | mortal | been in ubuntu land for some time |
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| 12:09.17 | plm | Are there a way to inside /etc/hosts import a file of hosts, like as "include /etc/hosts.aditional"? |
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| 12:10.34 | themill | plm: that's normally called "run a dns server" :) |
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| 12:11.29 | SirLagz | or copy and paste |
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| 12:13.02 | contrapunctus | mesoderm: I just shifted to Debian too...what would those reaons be? In my case - public disregard for privacy and major decisions taken behind closed doors. |
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| 12:13.17 | SirLagz | contrapunctus: shifted from Ubuntu ? |
| 12:13.18 | contrapunctus | s/ too// |
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| 12:13.47 | contrapunctus | SirLagz: Yeah o.o |
| 12:13.53 | SirLagz | good work ! |
| 12:14.03 | contrapunctus | SirLagz: Why? :) |
| 12:14.06 | SirLagz | sorry to say I'm still using Ubuntu on my laptop :( |
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| 12:14.15 | SirLagz | contrapunctus: for doing better than me haha |
| 12:14.39 | SirLagz | one day I'll get my laptop off Ubuntu |
| 12:14.42 | SirLagz | one day... |
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| 12:16.28 | contrapunctus | SirLagz: My only computer (if you don't count a phone) is a laptop...which runs Wintendo 7 (lying unused for 3+ years), UbuntuStudio 12.04 (audio work etc) and a partition for gaming...I just moved to Debian to give it a shot on that last one. :) |
| 12:16.42 | SirLagz | contrapunctus: heh nice |
| 12:16.51 | plm | themill: yes, But I would like some simpler.. |
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| 12:17.11 | themill | plm: is this for a set of local machines on your home network or something? |
| 12:17.12 | SirLagz | plm: copy and paste ? |
| 12:17.37 | plm | themill: I have a file with "ip alias" like as /etc/hosts. I just would like to use that see? |
| 12:17.47 | plm | themill: local machine |
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| 12:18.01 | plm | SirLagz: automatically |
| 12:18.46 | contrapunctus | SirLagz: I dig how UbuntuStudio running XFCE eats up around 400 MB RAM idling...but Debian XFCE uses under 150 xD |
| 12:19.01 | themill | (still not related to debian user support...) |
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| 12:19.23 | themill | plm: if you could perhaps explain what it is you're trying to achieve, we might be able to help you do that. |
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| 12:19.30 | SirLagz | themill: sorry. I'll stop. |
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| 12:20.03 | plm | themill: I have many ppp interfaces dynamic ip, and I get all ips that and did a alias to applications use alias, not ip |
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| 12:20.34 | themill | that's sounding a lot like a dns server |
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| 12:21.33 | plm | themill: ok, I have bind running, how I use thats ips from ppp in the bind? |
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| 12:22.47 | themill | either feed them in using nsupdate or write a zone file for them |
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| 12:23.18 | petern_ | Hmm, weird, I moved my windows vm to another box and it seems to be running fine there o_O |
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| 12:39.59 | mar77i | hi #debian :) I'm looking for help about something. I wrote this init.d script http://paste.debian.net/76364/ but really... it doesn't do. |
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| 12:41.16 | mar77i | I replaced networking with $network too in Required-Start, but the more important thing seems that getty starts before it's through. any advice? |
| 12:41.45 | judymorgan | hi. a general question. i'm using debian and would like to know which i should use for mounting devices. /mnt or /media? from my limited understanding i gather /media is used primarily for removeable media. would i use /mnt for say a samba share? a little confused here as you can no doubt tell! |
| 12:42.44 | mar77i | judymorgan: I usually use ~/mnt for removeable media and ~/samba for fuse samba |
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| 12:43.10 | judymorgan | mar77i: :) now i'm even more confused! ;) |
| 12:43.38 | judymorgan | mar77i: thank you for your response though. :) |
| 12:44.12 | judymorgan | mar77i: so i suppose there is no specific "debian way"... just down to preference. |
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| 12:44.40 | mar77i | http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/apcs02.html.en << says "/mnt mount point for mounting a fs temporarily" and "/media contains mount points for replaceable media" |
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| 12:45.26 | themill | judymorgan: you're free to use whatever you like here -- /media is normally for removable media and is often managed by some daemon for you. Popping a samba share in /mnt would be entirely appropriate unless you'd rather mount it within one user's home directory because you're mounting it only for them |
| 12:45.44 | mar77i | judymorgan: thing is that some auto mounting systems create their mount points in /media dynamically, which, if you had one running, you wouldn't want to step on its toe. other than thwt, what themill said |
| 12:46.49 | judymorgan | themill: mar77i thanks to both of you. i'm off to mess with my mount points now! :) |
| 12:47.07 | mar77i | how about my script now? why doesn't it take the priority? the softlinks are created with S01/K01, which isn't right. |
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| 12:48.27 | mar77i | I'm also puzzled if this shouldn't be done with the motd infrastructure somehow? |
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| 12:54.46 | Zezinia_ | how i can monitoring the HD partition on the terminal - what is the command - thank |
| 12:54.59 | nkuttler | Zezinia_: define monitor |
| 12:55.58 | Zezinia_ | nkuttler; both words should be written on the terminal ? |
| 12:56.49 | nkuttler | Zezinia_: no, what do you mean by monitor? free space, io, etc |
| 12:57.26 | Zezinia_ | exploring the HD show partitions |
| 12:57.35 | nkuttler | Zezinia_: fdisk |
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| 12:58.01 | nkuttler | Zezinia_: fdisk, mount, df, cfdisk, ... |
| 12:58.23 | Zezinia_ | good , thanks - nkuttler |
| 12:58.35 | mar77i | Zezinia_: # parted /dev/sda list |
| 12:58.44 | mar77i | eh |
| 12:58.51 | mar77i | the command is print |
| 12:58.53 | mar77i | not list |
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| 13:02.01 | bl4ckdu5t | we're different users on a box with each user running a program with their account. When I do "ps" for processes, is there a way I can see which account has started the particular process? |
| 13:02.56 | nkuttler | bl4ckdu5t: man ps, see output format |
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| 13:04.05 | traph | bl4ckdu5t, try: ps -fa | grep -i <process-name> |
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| 13:04.29 | LordDeath | can we expect new mysql packages soon? |
| 13:04.46 | Zezinia_ | tks 4 all , bye now |
| 13:04.57 | bl4ckdu5t | Thanks traph |
| 13:04.58 | traph | BlastHardcheese: also, find more info about "|" and what it does. it's quite useful. |
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| 13:21.06 | Walex | LordDeath: define "new"... |
| 13:21.29 | Walex | bl4ckdu5t: 'u' option in particular. |
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| 13:25.25 | scottj | if I have both experimental and unstable lines in sources.list, will upgrading packages keep using unstable unless I specifically installed the package with apt-get -t experimental? |
| 13:25.33 | LordDeath | Walex: upstream had their "patch day" http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/security/cpujan2014-1972949.html |
| 13:25.34 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:26.00 | bl4ckdu5t | Thanks walex |
| 13:26.05 | scottj | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:26.08 | LordDeath | and there are issues from mysql 5.1-5.6 http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/security/cpujan2014-1972949.html#AppendixMSQL |
| 13:26.10 | bl4ckdu5t | * Walex |
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| 13:27.47 | Walex | LordDeath: the security team if they find the patches critical usually take few days to backport them. |
| 13:28.17 | themill | except they can't really backport mysql security fixes and are forced to swallow new versions whole |
| 13:28.32 | themill | (which actually means even more testing is required) |
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| 13:30.11 | bl4ckdu5t | I usually get this error after apt-get update. How can it be fixed? |
| 13:30.12 | bl4ckdu5t | W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 13:31.14 | themill | bl4ckdu5t: normally by picking a mirror other than the ftp.us.d.o round robin |
| 13:31.22 | themill | dpkg: tell bl4ckdu5t about ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 13:31.32 | themill | bl4ckdu5t: http.debian.net makes a good reliable choice |
| 13:31.52 | jelly | how come "they" don't remove the offending mirrors from the rr |
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| 13:32.23 | themill | transient problems can be difficult to spot -- mirrors are often rotated in or out |
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| 13:33.49 | doublehp_ | !tell me about no_pubkey |
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| 13:36.26 | bl4ckdu5t | themill: Thanks for the info |
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| 13:46.05 | poekie1981 | hallo is hier iemand |
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| 13:48.32 | ksk | poekie1981: this is the english support channel. for german support please go to #debian.de |
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| 13:49.30 | poekie1981 | ni im looking for help i want to install icedove but im do not now houw can you help me |
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| 13:49.45 | SirLagz | poekie1981: apt-get install icedove |
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| 13:51.36 | poekie1981 | its not working |
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| 13:52.47 | ksuhku | !not working |
| 13:52.47 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 13:59.59 | spal | Is there any difference between ~/.xsession and ~/.Xsession except that ~/.xsession is executed first? |
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| 14:01.12 | styks1987 | has anyone tried to install php 5.3 as a cgi for wheezy? I cannot find anything about it online. It seems everyone is just downgrading and the articles I have found use some special management tool or package manager. |
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| 14:01.48 | abrotman | styks1987: downgrade why? |
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| 14:02.14 | styks1987 | I don't want to downgrade, but some people need the older version of php to support their app until they can upgrade it |
| 14:02.33 | styks1987 | I want to run the older version via cgi along with the latest |
| 14:02.40 | cyclick | I moved my /tmp folder to it's own partition but I forgot to set the new /tmp permissions to 1777 and then when I tried to login into X using gdm3, I could not login because it didn't have access to /tmp. But it wasnt giving me any error, would that be considered a bug? |
| 14:03.02 | styks1987 | I have done this on my MAC but I don't think the method translates to debian |
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| 14:04.05 | jelly | styks1987: not easy if you want to keep within the confines of debian package management. Give them a squeeze chroot and configure proxy if it needs to be in the same namespace as the wheezy |
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| 14:04.18 | jelly | ... web service |
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| 14:04.48 | abrotman | cyclick: Sounds like a user problem honestly. /tmp/ is expected to have those perms |
| 14:05.04 | cyclick | abrotman: ok thanks |
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| 14:05.19 | bl4ckdu5t | themill: did you make a mistake by typing http.debian.net ? |
| 14:05.25 | themill | no |
| 14:05.29 | abrotman | cyclick: I mean, you could chmod -x /usr/bin/gdm3 .. and it wouldn't work, is that a bug? :) |
| 14:05.30 | bl4ckdu5t | or it should be http://debian.net |
| 14:05.57 | themill | dpkg: tell bl4ckdu5t about wheezy sources.list |
| 14:06.05 | cyclick | abrotman: but that would give you an error |
| 14:06.07 | bl4ckdu5t | ok I'll just replace that with ftp.us.d.o |
| 14:06.22 | abrotman | cyclick: I'm sure the tmp perms gave you an error, you just haven't found it yet |
| 14:07.00 | cyclick | abrotman: possible |
| 14:07.11 | cyclick | abrotman: do you know where I could look ? |
| 14:07.14 | styks1987 | jelly: is this like installing squeeze on the same system as wheezy, but in a different directory? |
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| 14:07.48 | abrotman | cyclick: /var/log/gdm3.log perhaps? |
| 14:07.53 | jelly | styks1987: pretty much |
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| 14:09.12 | themill | just don't ask about on-going security support for those squeeze packages |
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| 14:10.05 | styks1987 | I wouldn't dream of it :) |
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| 14:10.49 | jelly | themill: or php 5.3 |
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| 14:11.19 | cyclick | abrotman: I could not find anything in those files: http://pastie.org/8635739 ... I dont have /var/log/gdm3.log |
| 14:11.35 | abrotman | cyclick: ls /var/log/gdm* |
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| 14:12.51 | cyclick | I only have /var/log/gdm3 directory, no file named gdm* |
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| 14:13.20 | cyclick | that pastie is the content of /var/log/gdm3/ |
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| 14:20.26 | abrotman | cyclick: look in there for an error |
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| 14:28.20 | Panzerboy | hello everybody |
| 14:28.30 | SirLagz | hi |
| 14:28.38 | Panzerboy | can somebody here help me with setting up raid for an automated install? |
| 14:28.45 | SirLagz | not me. sorry |
| 14:28.54 | Panzerboy | i'm following the sample preseed file |
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| 14:28.56 | Panzerboy | for wheezy |
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| 14:29.13 | Panzerboy | and I don't understand the numbers in the example for the d-i partman-auto/expert_recipe string |
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| 14:33.17 | abrotman | Panzerboy: mdraid or hwraid? |
| 14:33.25 | Panzerboy | mdraid |
| 14:33.38 | abrotman | Sorry, important distinction :) |
| 14:33.39 | Panzerboy | i've configured partman-auto-raid/recipe string |
| 14:33.59 | Panzerboy | basically i want the following: |
| 14:34.05 | Panzerboy | i have two 1 TB drives |
| 14:34.10 | Panzerboy | I want two primary partitions |
| 14:34.17 | Panzerboy | 20 GB for swap at the end |
| 14:34.20 | Panzerboy | the rest for / |
| 14:34.23 | Panzerboy | at the beginning :) |
| 14:34.44 | Panzerboy | and for the love of god, i don't understand what numbers i have to put into partman-auto/expert_recipe to get this |
| 14:35.33 | Panzerboy | i'm reading the partman-auto-recipe.txt from the debian-installer package but I don't get it |
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| 14:37.07 | abrotman | Panzerboy: which URL are you referencing for this? |
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| 14:37.43 | Panzerboy | i've taken the sample preseed from here: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/example-preseed.txt |
| 14:37.47 | abrotman | like this : https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman ? |
| 14:37.55 | Panzerboy | and I'm modifying it as i go along |
| 14:38.22 | Panzerboy | yes that one |
| 14:38.36 | ui_ | How do I increase volume on debian LXDE live CD? |
| 14:38.37 | Panzerboy | google actually returns the one for etch :) |
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| 14:38.54 | abrotman | I think the Guide has more info than what you're using ? |
| 14:39.02 | Panzerboy | but it's fine, i got correctly to the partitioning point |
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| 14:39.27 | Panzerboy | indeed, but the guide refers to this sample file |
| 14:39.53 | Panzerboy | also the guide is kinda thin when it comes to partitioning |
| 14:40.06 | Panzerboy | it basically copies the same information that's found in the preseed sample file |
| 14:40.52 | Panzerboy | strange that in the days of TB harddrives, you still have to specify the sizes in MB |
| 14:41.09 | abrotman | I don't think you do? |
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| 14:41.45 | Panzerboy | hmm |
| 14:41.47 | Panzerboy | it's not clear |
| 14:41.51 | Panzerboy | from the examples i see |
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| 14:42.05 | Morrolan | Your boot partition will probably not be several TB in size. :P |
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| 14:43.58 | Panzerboy | Morrolan: it's 980 GB |
| 14:44.01 | Panzerboy | more or less |
| 14:44.11 | Panzerboy | well it's / |
| 14:44.14 | Panzerboy | it's all in one |
| 14:44.16 | Morrolan | .... |
| 14:44.26 | Panzerboy | i only want two partitions |
| 14:44.29 | Morrolan | Ah, if you're using one partition for everything, that makes more sense. |
| 14:44.33 | Panzerboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.40 | Morrolan | 980 GB for a boot partition would be... somewhat pointless. :) |
| 14:44.44 | Panzerboy | i know :) |
| 14:44.53 | Panzerboy | sorry should have specified better :) |
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| 14:46.15 | socram8888 | hi |
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| 14:46.43 | socram8888 | is there any developer here? i need a bit of help |
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| 14:47.09 | SirLagz | developer for what ? |
| 14:47.25 | socram8888 | well, i am attempting to add an OPL3 passthrough to Dosbox |
| 14:47.36 | socram8888 | so I can use a physical hardware rather than the emulated one |
| 14:47.52 | SirLagz | right, I have no idea what you're on about. |
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| 14:48.29 | socram8888 | right now I have a working test program which needs to run as "root" and basically it writes instructions to /dev/port addresses 0x388-0x38B |
| 14:48.32 | verodeb | hi ppl where can i copy-paste apt-get dependencies issues? i forgot |
| 14:48.37 | Panzerboy | ok, i ended up with this: http://pastebin.com/2gH46cvq |
| 14:48.42 | Panzerboy | any ideas if it would do? |
| 14:48.44 | verodeb | ty |
| 14:48.53 | socram8888 | which is basically the hardwired address of OPL3s on AdLibs and SoundBlasters |
| 14:49.17 | socram8888 | it works but isn't as portably as I would like it to be |
| 14:49.36 | socram8888 | i have seen that ALSA has detected the FM device correctly |
| 14:49.49 | socram8888 | cliente 21: 'OPL3 FM synth' [tipo=kernel] 0 'OPL3 FM Port ' |
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| 14:50.44 | socram8888 | but i can't figure out how can I directly manage the device, if possible |
| 14:51.37 | verodeb | hi, i cant install openjdk-7-jdk and openjdk-7-jre, these are the issues http://pastebin.com/s4J1m9gD |
| 14:51.41 | verodeb | please help |
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| 14:52.03 | socram8888 | verodeb: I would recommed you using Oracle's JDK rather than OpenJDK's |
| 14:52.24 | verodeb | what are those reps? |
| 14:52.29 | verodeb | socram8888: |
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| 14:53.05 | socram8888 | there are repos for ubuntu but none for debian |
| 14:53.12 | socram8888 | anyway you can use ubuntu's one |
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| 14:53.39 | verodeb | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu precise main these? |
| 14:53.47 | socram8888 | yup |
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| 14:53.52 | verodeb | ty |
| 14:53.53 | ChrisH | !frankendebian |
| 14:53.53 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 14:54.24 | verodeb | :( |
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| 14:54.53 | ChrisH | verodeb: run /msg dpkg java and check what the bot recommends |
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| 14:55.12 | socram8888 | yeah, because having unofficial repositories is bad |
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| 14:55.29 | verodeb | run /msg dpkg java |
| 14:55.38 | ChrisH | verodeb without run |
| 14:55.41 | socram8888 | is much better having to use the slow openjdk or manually running the oracle's setup |
| 14:55.42 | verodeb | yeah |
| 14:55.43 | verodeb | lol |
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| 14:57.27 | Panzerboy | dudes, any idea what do i specify to tasksel in the preseed file if i only want the ssh server? |
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| 14:59.18 | oznt | hi, can someone post how to boot debian install with a preseed ? I tried adding the following : preseed/url=http://192.168.2.111:8000/preseed.cfg , but it does not grab the file |
| 14:59.37 | Panzerboy | found it |
| 14:59.53 | Panzerboy | it was ssh-server |
| 15:00.12 | Panzerboy | oznt: don't know, i'm planning to add the preseed to the initrd |
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| 15:01.18 | meise | oznt: install url=http://192.168.2.111:8000/preseed.cfg |
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| 15:03.23 | oznt | meise, this won't work |
| 15:03.42 | oznt | i dont see any get request on my server |
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| 15:05.13 | meise | you booted a netinstall and pressed ESC and included the command into the prompt? |
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| 15:07.10 | jimmybrite | Is anyone else having issues with icons when using the menu editor in Gnome3? I'm on Jessie btw. Tried editing .desktop and "alacarte" files by hand but to no avail. |
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| 15:07.45 | mtn | jimmybrite: what kind of "issues"? |
| 15:08.08 | jimmybrite | mtn, like creating a new entry and having no icon whatsoever |
| 15:08.21 | oznt | meise, yes i did |
| 15:08.39 | mtn | jimmybrite: and can you change the icon once things are set up? going to properties of the icon. |
| 15:08.43 | nashant | Guys, I'm trying to disable or change the time on screen blanking. In brightness and lock I've set 'Turn screen off when inactive for' to 1 hour, but still the screen goes off after 10 mins. |
| 15:08.47 | jimmybrite | mtn, now that I think of it, I might have inadvertently uninstalled libpng, could that be it? |
| 15:09.02 | mtn | jimmybrite: no idea, but sounds like a clue :) |
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| 15:10.01 | jimmybrite | hmmm, I still have a few libpng's but not sure which to reinstall, it doesnt seem to say previously installed in the terminal |
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| 15:10.48 | oznt | meise, i briefly see an error can't access ... but how to I see the full error? i tried switching tty, but the less command is not available |
| 15:12.08 | jimmybrite | Nah, they're all there and I use png's for icons, it happened when I moved one of my programs to a different location then removed the menu entry and made a new one to replace it. But now icons aren;t showing up for new programs I put in there |
| 15:13.01 | meise | oznt: sounds like a network problem. please check the ip connectivity and try to fetch the file with wget. |
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| 15:14.19 | jimmybrite | There were quite a few lingering menu .desktop files that I deleted, like I had 7 entries of the same thing for some reason, deleting them in menu-editor does nothing, this is making me crazy |
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| 15:15.44 | oznt | i have no problem fetching the file the graphical installer |
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| 15:16.16 | oznt | meise, but for some reason I can't get the file with wget |
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| 15:16.43 | doublehp_ | When mplayer vlc and totem sux, what are the alternatives ? |
| 15:16.51 | jimmybrite | Could my icon problem be related to lxde's own menu implementation? I installed lxde yesterday as an alternative de |
| 15:17.51 | doublehp_ | oznt: alternatives to less: more, cat |
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| 15:18.16 | doublehp_ | oznt: alternative to wget: curl |
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| 15:18.45 | abrotman | doublehp_: xine |
| 15:19.03 | abrotman | gstreamer |
| 15:19.05 | nonconvergent | Is there an equilizer tool for also or anything? |
| 15:19.15 | nonconvergent | s/also/alsa/ |
| 15:19.27 | nonconvergent | A casual package search didn't find one. |
| 15:20.17 | doublehp_ | oznt: between wget and firefox, many things can vary; once, I had a namme resolution issue: wget uses nsswitch.conf to know how to resolv a host name, but firefox don't. Lost hours on this that day |
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| 15:20.43 | oznt | ok, now i can get the file with wget |
| 15:20.43 | doublehp_ | nonconvergent: yes |
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| 15:21.00 | oznt | but i am still strugling with kernel boot parameter |
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| 15:21.49 | nonconvergent | doublehp_: okay? |
| 15:22.10 | doublehp_ | nonconvergent: i installed it 2y ago, i gotta search how |
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| 15:22.24 | nonconvergent | libasound2-plugin-equal? |
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| 15:22.53 | oznt | and with automatic install of grub. My preseed.cfg contains : d-i grub-installer/only_debian boolean true, but i am still being asked to which device i want to install it |
| 15:23.19 | oznt | how can I install grub completely automatic skipping this question? |
| 15:24.39 | meise | oznt: d-i grub-installer/only_debian boolean true |
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| 15:25.46 | oznt | meise, i have this line, except am i missing something? |
| 15:25.49 | doublehp1 | nonconvergent: http://www.thedigitalmachine.net/alsaequal.html https://patrick-nagel.net/blog/archives/180/comment-page-1 . I have set .asoundrc for my user, then run "alsamixer -D equal" tu tweak |
| 15:26.19 | meise | oznt: do you use wheezy? |
| 15:26.43 | oznt | i use testing (jessie) netboot image |
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| 15:29.28 | meise | okay. i'm not familiar with preseed configurations in jessie so far. |
| 15:29.37 | meise | so i'm out. |
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| 15:30.05 | oznt | meise, let's hope debian developer didnt break it :-( |
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| 15:30.38 | oznt | meise, but maybe you can still help with booting with preseed ? it still wont work |
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| 15:31.06 | oznt | i pressed escape like you said, and added install preseed/url=http://.... /preseed.cfg |
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| 15:34.29 | meise | oznt: i booted my systems with preseed like this: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/1c6915bf |
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| 15:35.51 | doublehp_ | abrotman: xine failes with some vdpau error, and gstreamer ... maybe i did not install the right package, but i can't find what to run |
| 15:36.54 | oznt | meise, thanks, i now goot it, only i used the word auto |
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| 15:37.00 | oznt | what is virt-install ? |
| 15:37.39 | meise | virt-install can be used to manage virtual machine installations for virsh. |
| 15:38.03 | oznt | meise, thank for that! i am reading the man page. it looks promising |
| 15:38.25 | oznt | now i hope that i won't be bothered again with the grub installation question |
| 15:39.04 | abrotman | doublehp_: Sounds like your nvidia driver hates you |
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| 15:41.36 | doublehp_ | abrotman: i have an ATI card |
| 15:42.14 | jimmybrite | Alright, seems like alacarte (Gnome3 menu editor) is broken, I just made my own .desktop file in /usr/share/application and it shows the icon finally |
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| 15:44.19 | oznt | meise, could it be failing because it does not know /dev/vda? |
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| 15:46.09 | meise | maybe. there should be an error message in tty 5 or something. |
| 15:46.48 | doublehp_ | abrotman: tried several different -V (for video driver), i can get rid of the nvidia message, but i always endup with a segfault |
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| 15:47.43 | bl4ckdu5t | Is this ok for a /etc/apt/sources.list file http://paste.debian.net/76407/ ? |
| 15:47.56 | tc | Anyone know which package creates the basic device nodes in /dev, e.g. /dev/console, after running debootstrap (or does debootstrap)? dpkg -S isn't helping, and it doesn't seem to be done by base-files. |
| 15:48.26 | stew | tc: /sbin/MAKEDEV |
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| 15:48.58 | tc | stew: Thanks. Does debootstrap call MAKEDEV after running, or how does that happen? |
| 15:49.23 | stew | i don't recall |
| 15:49.55 | tc | stew: Thanks. What I'm looking into is that a debootstrap of wheezy creates a symlink /dev/shm -> /run/shm, but no other Debian distro does. |
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| 15:50.43 | ui_ | MAKEDEV must be run manually |
| 15:50.59 | bl4ckdu5t | stew please can you help me see this http://paste.debian.net/76407/ . Is anything wrong about it? |
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| 15:52.58 | ui_ | bl4ckdu5t: in the security.debian.org line change wheezy/updates not 'wheezy updates' |
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| 15:53.36 | bl4ckdu5t | ok thanks ui_ |
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| 15:54.17 | tc | stew/ui_: Hmm.... that certainly sounded right to me, but it appears the makedev package is no longer marked essential, and doesn't get installed by at least debootstrap --variant=buildd. |
| 15:54.45 | bl4ckdu5t | ui_: I also get an error with this http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates |
| 15:54.59 | bl4ckdu5t | should it be wheezy/updates there too? |
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| 15:57.13 | ui_ | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates |
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| 16:00.40 | bl4ckdu5t | ui_: I only have a deb http://http.debian.net/debina/... must I also have "deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian main contrib non-free"? |
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| 16:06.06 | ui_ | !tell bl4ckdu5t sources.list |
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| 16:06.21 | ui_ | hm, does not work |
| 16:06.26 | ui_ | !sources.list |
| 16:06.26 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 16:06.33 | ui_ | !deb-src |
| 16:06.36 | dpkg | 'deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie|sid] main contrib non-free' (for example), replace with your own for a local mirror. Ask me about <source> for some information about how to build stuff, make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need to have linux-headers-$(uname -r) (if using a Debian kernel) and the libc6-dev packages installed. |
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| 16:07.20 | ui_ | bl4ckdu5t: deb-src is for compiling software |
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| 16:10.00 | mintgreen | i tried to insatll gnash and lightspark to get' 404 Not Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80]' what's wrong? |
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| 16:10.38 | oznt | meise, do you know how to disable the keyboard layout dialog? i followed the documentation, but i am still getting it ... |
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| 16:14.04 | bl4ckdu5t | ui_: I get tired of these issues with sources.list file. Can you just give me one you feel I should use |
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| 16:14.35 | stew | bl4ckdu5t: dpkg gave one |
| 16:14.58 | DennisG | hello guys - i've installed pdns-server pdns-mysql with the default configuration, but it seems like pdns doesnt bind to a port (netstat -uap shows no results) - is there anything I might forgot? |
| 16:15.03 | bl4ckdu5t | stew: That's what I used here http://paste.debian.net/76407/ and I still get errors |
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| 16:15.11 | stew | bl4ckdu5t: what errors? |
| 16:15.21 | DennisG | The deamon seems running and pdns_control status says pdns is running |
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| 16:15.47 | stew | bl4ckdu5t: your security.debian.org line doesn't match |
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| 16:17.21 | bl4ckdu5t | stew: Here's one of it -> Err http://http.debian.net wheezy/main i386 Packages |
| 16:17.22 | bl4ckdu5t | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:18.55 | stew | bl4ckdu5t: does it say what ip address it is hitting? |
| 16:18.59 | stew | bl4ckdu5t: what country are you in? |
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| 16:19.27 | bl4ckdu5t | yea am in Winsconsin, USA |
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| 16:21.27 | stew | bl4ckdu5t: then instead of http://http.debian.net/debian try http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 16:21.38 | dpkgme | how would I go about manually adding library files? |
| 16:21.54 | stew | dpkgme: adding what library files to what? |
| 16:22.10 | dpkgme | for example if googleearth-bin links to libgoogleearth_free.so.0 |
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| 16:22.32 | dpkgme | that is not something that is included in a library but it is included in the package and is in the install directory |
| 16:22.44 | dpkgme | but the program is not linking to it |
| 16:23.12 | bl4ckdu5t | stew: I was using that and it was working fine till about 2 weeks ago when I began to get one thing about wrong gpg key each time I do a apt-get update |
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| 16:25.12 | dpkgme | can I just copy the library files into /usr/lib? |
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| 16:27.31 | Pua | Hi guys! How to install firefox only extension on iceweasel. How to bypass? |
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| 16:28.24 | dpkgme | firefox extensions should be compatible to iceweasel unless I'm mistaken |
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| 16:28.50 | Mongo44 | I am trying to run sound and video in Iceweasel. |
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| 16:29.16 | mintgreen | i installed both 'browser-plugin-gnash'and 'browser-plugin-lightspark' and yet i can't get videos working in iceweasle.what's wrong? |
| 16:29.21 | Pua | dpkgme: no they aren't |
| 16:29.33 | Pua | ghostery don't run in iceweasel |
| 16:29.37 | Pua | test |
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| 16:29.52 | doublehp_ | dpkgme: *should* |
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| 16:30.22 | Pua | Hi guys how to generate nonfree iso in debian live cd build website? And add third repositories? |
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| 16:38.35 | KaaK_ | sbuild always fails to sign my .changes files after a successful source package build. Despite exporting the DEBSIGN_KEYID environment variable, passing the --keyid parameter or any other combination |
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| 16:38.49 | KaaK_ | gpg -K lists the key as part of my public keychain |
| 16:39.26 | KaaK_ | fails with: debsign: Can't find or can't read changes file <changes file> |
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| 16:39.44 | KaaK_ | and yet ... it is very clearly in the parent directory |
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| 16:44.36 | dpkgme | did anybody have an idea how to fix nonlinking libraries? |
| 16:46.02 | KaaK_ | dpkgme: you mean at compile time, your build process fails to link your code to a library? |
| 16:47.20 | buu | dpkgme: Or do you mean that at run time its failing to find the shared library? |
| 16:47.26 | dpkgme | at runtime |
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| 16:47.39 | dpkgme | the object file in question is in the working directory |
| 16:47.42 | buu | dpkgme: And you ran some kind of installer that put these shared libraries someplace? |
| 16:48.03 | dpkgme | dpkg put them there |
| 16:48.03 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, dpkgme |
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| 16:48.11 | buu | did it really |
| 16:48.22 | buu | And why did you tell it to put them there? |
| 16:48.41 | dpkgme | I didn't? |
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| 16:49.27 | buu | dpkgme: What, exactly, is the command you ran? |
| 16:50.01 | dpkgme | sudo dpkg -i google-earth-fixed.deb && sudo apt-get -f install |
| 16:50.22 | dpkgme | I fixed the dependancy on ia32-libs, no problem |
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| 16:50.54 | dpkgme | but it comes with a bunch of its own libraries which are are /opt/google/earth along with the executable |
| 16:51.09 | dpkgme | those libraries fail to link at run time |
| 16:51.11 | nvanrooyen | Hello people. I am having an issue with vsftpd and pam-script. vsftpd seems to hang when I specify a script to be executed with the pam-script module. |
| 16:52.23 | DammitJim | when creating a deb package, when do I run ./configure for my source? |
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| 16:53.25 | petn-randall | DammitJim: You don't do that directly. You define a ./debian/rules, and that may call ./configure with any options you need.. |
| 16:53.34 | DammitJim | oh, interesting |
| 16:53.34 | buu | dpkgme: Add /opt/google/earth to /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf or similar then run ldconfig |
| 16:53.48 | KaaK_ | dpkgme: run 'readelf -d <path/to/bin> | grep NEEDED' |
| 16:54.13 | KaaK_ | and make sure each of those exist and are in sane places |
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| 16:54.42 | cristiancv100 | hello |
| 16:54.42 | cristiancv100 | please somebody help me, im trying to set a mail server with postfix 2.9,dovecot 2.1.7 and slapd 2.4.31, im receiving this error: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table |
| 16:54.42 | cristiancv100 | this are my settings doveconf -n http://paste.debian.net/76409/ and postconf -n http://paste.debian.net/76411/ |
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| 16:56.10 | mintgreen | HOW RO GET UTUBE VIDEOS WORKING? |
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| 16:56.51 | dpkgme | mintgreen: are you using gnash? |
| 16:57.54 | mintgreen | dpkg, i installed both 'browser-plugin-gnash'and 'browser-plugin-lightspark' and yet i can't get videos working in iceweasle.what's wrong? |
| 16:57.56 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, mintgreen |
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| 16:58.35 | mintgreen | dpkgme, i installed both 'browser-plugin-gnash'and 'browser-plugin-lightspark' and yet i can't get videos working in iceweasle.what's wrong? |
| 16:58.50 | cockroach | hey. i have a system which seems to have a problem with one of the kernel modules that get loaded during bootup. is there a way to make module loading interactive? or at least slower/more verbose, so that i can see which module causes the issue? |
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| 17:00.06 | petn-randall | cockroach: You blacklist it, and load it after boot. |
| 17:00.10 | dpkgme | gnash stopped working with youtube a few months ago |
| 17:00.16 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell cockroach -about blacklist |
| 17:00.21 | cockroach | petn-randall: well yes, but i don't know *which* module it is. |
| 17:00.35 | dpkgme | there is a fix. you have to set the video handler for gnash to gstreamer and then it works |
| 17:00.42 | dpkgme | let me find you a link |
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| 17:01.16 | cristiancv100 | mintgreen i only install flashplayerplugin-nonfree and flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound |
| 17:01.29 | cockroach | petn-randall: the screen goes blank as udev does its magic so i don't get an error message or anything... |
| 17:01.30 | cristiancv100 | and this was all |
| 17:01.31 | petn-randall | cockroach: How do you know it's a kernel module? |
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| 17:02.05 | cockroach | petn-randall: i assume it's a kernel module because it happens just as udev processes its rules. |
| 17:02.21 | mintgreen | cockroach, no,thanx |
| 17:02.46 | petn-randall | mintgreen: ?? |
| 17:02.49 | mintgreen | cristiancv100, no,thanx |
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| 17:03.05 | dpkgme | mintgreen: youtube video the bar moves but no video or sound? |
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| 17:03.34 | petn-randall | cockroach: Have you tried booting without the 'quiet' kernel parameter? Does single mode boot fine? |
| 17:03.35 | cristiancv100 | this works, you're welcome! |
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| 17:04.03 | cockroach | petn-randall: i have tried without quiet, doesn't help my cause. i haven't tried single mode though, brb :) |
| 17:04.32 | mintgreen | dpkme:it says'an error occured,try again later" |
| 17:05.58 | cockroach | petn-randall: single user mode doesn't help either. |
| 17:06.12 | petn-randall | cockroach: Yeah, verify that first. I suspect fglrx, if you have it installed, or KMS not working on your video card. |
| 17:06.24 | petn-randall | cockroach: which card do you have? Which driver are you using? |
| 17:06.50 | cockroach | petn-randall: no fglrx and i'm not using any kind of kernel mode setting. i also disabled as my framebuffer options as i found |
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| 17:07.52 | cockroach | petn-randall: i hope i'm not using any of them, just a plain text console. the chip is an intel GMA 500 though. |
| 17:07.59 | cockroach | petn-randall: i'm currently booting with "vga=normal nomodeset nofb video=vesafb:off i915.modeset=0" :) |
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| 17:10.07 | dpkgme | mintgreen: add the line `set MediaHandler gst` to your .gnashrc file |
| 17:10.29 | dpkgme | restart fireweasel and it should work. that is the fix that I used |
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| 17:11.15 | mintgreen | ok.thanx a lot dpkgme |
| 17:11.16 | chem|st | hoi... |
| 17:11.30 | dpkgme | let me know if that works |
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| 17:12.12 | mintgreen | dpkgme, but where is it found? |
| 17:12.21 | petn-randall | cockroach: The last one doesn't even apply to your card, and you need a frame buffer to display anything. |
| 17:12.22 | dpkgme | ~/.gnashrc |
| 17:12.26 | petn-randall | !gma500 |
| 17:12.26 | dpkg | Poulsbo is the codename of Intel's first System Controller Hub, found in several <netbooks>. Its GMA 500 graphics core is not supported by the intel Xorg driver (ITP xserver-xorg-video-psb, bug #533450). A 2D <KMS> framebuffer driver (gma500_gfx, formerly psb_gfx) was introduced at Linux 2.6.39. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Controller_Hub#GMA_500_Linux_support http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#PowerVR_based_chips_on_Linux |
| 17:12.31 | mintgreen | okmthanx |
| 17:12.36 | chem|st | my gnome-shell freezes when display is turned off for a while - strace shows ioctl spamming, I first thought it is the screenshield of gnome-shell cauing it but without it it is the same |
| 17:12.38 | petn-randall | ^^^ cockroach This might help you getting started. |
| 17:12.40 | dpkgme | If I remember right you may have to create the file |
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| 17:13.29 | chem|st | I have a std debian-testing with fglrx gdm3 and gnome-shell if that helps |
| 17:13.53 | chem|st | any advice what to check? |
| 17:13.53 | cockroach | petn-randall: thanks, but why would i need a framebuffer? a normal VGA text console should be enough, shouldn't it? |
| 17:14.42 | adwadwaw | stds are bad |
| 17:14.50 | dpkgme | you need a framebuffer to have vga |
| 17:14.52 | lemimique | you know, living is bad |
| 17:14.57 | dpkgme | because it is a terminal emulator |
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| 17:16.16 | iio7 | I'm getting some "exportfs: Failed to resolve" due to some of the exports being offline. Is it possible to disable this resolve attempt? |
| 17:17.20 | cockroach | still, it would appear that until the very moment when udev loads *some* driver, my console is running just fine. while i'll certainly have a look at these links (after all, once the machine boots i should get it to work right) it would be great to know which driver is the problem |
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| 17:19.03 | petn-randall | cockroach: udev does a *lot* of other things, too, not just loading drivers. And it still could be that the thing executed *after* udev is causing this. |
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| 17:19.15 | ilius | Hi, is anybody from python package team here? python-modules-team@lists.alioth.debian.org is not respondig |
| 17:19.21 | petn-randall | cockroach: After it boots, try logging in via SSH, and check dmesg for errors. |
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| 17:20.07 | petn-randall | ilius: How long have you waited? It not unusual to wait for a day or two before getting a response. |
| 17:20.30 | ilius | petn-randall: 4 days |
| 17:20.36 | cockroach | petn-randall: wish i could. the machine has an unsupported (RTL8111) network chip too :) |
| 17:21.28 | cockroach | petn-randall: but i suppose i'll have to somehow cross-compile the driver for that and hope that it will just work - after all it's a bit hard to debug if you don't see anything |
| 17:21.29 | petn-randall | cockroach: Abandon ship! |
| 17:21.37 | cockroach | heh |
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| 17:24.50 | Wilim | Hello, when I try to do: apt-get install -y mysql-server mysql-client |
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| 17:25.23 | Wilim | all goes as expected, however it pops up with a screen asking me to set a new password for he "root" user, is there any way to suppress that box? |
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| 17:26.06 | tuxy | you need to be root user or a user with root privileges in order to use aptitude for the most part |
| 17:26.25 | mintgreen | dpkgme:well, i commited the changes .the first video i tried workd in a kindof sttisfactort fashion but but i get the error message for the next videos |
| 17:26.31 | Wilim | asking me to set a password for the "root" MySQL user * |
| 17:26.34 | petn-randall | Wilim: You need to configure a administrative user for your mysql server, it won't run otherwise. |
| 17:26.57 | petn-randall | Wilim: Well, it will run, but you won't be able to use it ... |
| 17:27.04 | jhutchins | Wilim: This is the password for the user "root" in the mysql database. This is not linked to the root account, except that if you are logged in as root mysql will assume that is your mysql username. |
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| 17:27.19 | xand | you can have a root mysql user with no password |
| 17:27.23 | xand | not that it's a good idea |
| 17:27.39 | Wilim | petn-randall is there anyway to do that via a bash script as I am trying to install it via the bash script and I think that screen is causing it to hang as I just obmit all errors / output to /dev/null |
| 17:27.58 | plm | people, I'm install libsimplelog I I have this error "make: *** [clean] Error 2" The complete error is here http://dpaste.com/1553061/ any idea? |
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| 17:28.20 | plm | I did # dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:28.32 | petn-randall | xand: Sure, you can also configure it to wave every user through, as long as they set the right username, but we don't support configuring such setups. |
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| 17:28.56 | petn-randall | "support" in the sense of debconf not having options to do so. If you want to shoot yourself in the foot, you have to do it yourself. :) |
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| 17:29.51 | petn-randall | Wilim: How would you even know if the installation worked if you through away all output? |
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| 17:30.00 | tuxy | hey guys, I'm trying to dual stack ipv4 and ipv6 on debian. however, I am unable to get any connectivity through ipv6 after it autoconfigs or if I manually configure /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:30.02 | petn-randall | s/through/throw/ |
| 17:30.56 | plm | anyone? |
| 17:31.03 | jhutchins | Wilim: You can do this with preseed: http://www.rndguy.ca/2010/02/24/fully-automated-ubuntu-server-setups-using-preseed/ |
| 17:31.06 | Wilim | when im done the script its gonna put it in a log file as opposed to throw it away |
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| 17:31.34 | jhutchins | Wilim: http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt-debian/content/debconf-preseeding.html |
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| 17:32.08 | Wilim | jhutchins: ah perfect thank you! |
| 17:32.09 | n3lthon | why /tmp does not use swap when full but /var/tmp does? |
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| 17:32.34 | jhutchins | n3lthon: 'Cause that's how it works? |
| 17:33.38 | tuxy | how can I check if the e1000e module is working properly on my debian jessie install? |
| 17:33.52 | tuxy | for the Intel i210 chipset and haswell motherboard |
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| 17:35.01 | petn-randall | tuxy: Try it and see? |
| 17:35.08 | jhutchins | tuxy: Does it have a network connection? |
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| 17:35.20 | jhutchins | !e1000e |
| 17:35.20 | n3lthon | jhutchins: I'm compiling ruby and it fails using /tmp. Is /var/tmp better to use as tmp dir for compiling or there is another alternative? |
| 17:35.20 | dpkg | e1000e is a Linux kernel driver supporting Intel PRO/1000 PCI Express Ethernet controllers, introduced at Linux 2.6.24. It does not require firmware from userspace. See also <i217>, <i218>. |
| 17:35.23 | plm | In the dpkg-buildpackage I need some special param to works? |
| 17:35.36 | petn-randall | tuxy: Do you mean if it works, or if it's the right module for your hardware? |
| 17:35.43 | mintgreen | dpkgme: ok now.it's working fine after rebooting |
| 17:35.45 | cockroach | petn-randall: okay i did some more debugging and it does indeed seem to happen as a direct consequence of "udevadm trigger --action=add" |
| 17:36.04 | tuxy | petn-randall, if it works |
| 17:36.06 | jhutchins | n3lthon: There are a lot of differnet options for tempfs, and for which temp dirs behave in what way. |
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| 17:36.54 | tuxy | petn-randall, if it's working properly I should say |
| 17:36.55 | petn-randall | tuxy: Use it. If it doesn't work, tell us and we can debug it here. |
| 17:36.58 | n3lthon | jhutchins: thanks |
| 17:37.04 | tuxy | because I am having ipv6 connectivity issues |
| 17:37.14 | tuxy | aka there is no connectivity |
| 17:37.21 | jhutchins | n3lthon: Frankly I've lost track of which distros do what with it. You can try it and see, you can try cleaning up /tmp and making more space. |
| 17:37.25 | tuxy | with manual or autoconfig |
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| 17:37.47 | petn-randall | tuxy: 'mii-tool' and 'ethtool' are two ways of checking if your kernel knows of the device, and if there is ethernet connectivity. |
| 17:38.11 | jhutchins | tuxy: That doesn't have anything to do with the driver. Are you sure ipv6 is available on your router? |
| 17:38.27 | jhutchins | tuxy: If ipv4 is working, the driver is working. |
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| 17:39.04 | tuxy | jhutchins, ipv4 is working |
| 17:39.10 | tuxy | but I can't get ipv6 working no matter what |
| 17:39.23 | tuxy | an ubuntu live cd works perfectly with dual stack ipv4 and ipv6 though |
| 17:39.39 | tuxy | jhutchins, yes, ipv6 is available |
| 17:39.47 | tuxy | I have the gateway IP which is pingable |
| 17:39.58 | tuxy | my server is getting an ipv6 due to RA |
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| 17:41.10 | julius_ | hi |
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| 17:41.28 | julius_ | do the debian netinst cds come with memtest as boot option? |
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| 17:41.32 | petn-randall | tuxy: Then your ethernet device works, the problem is a layer higher. |
| 17:41.44 | tuxy | but I can't figure out what is wrong |
| 17:41.49 | jhutchins | tuxy: Not sure what to tell you except it isn't the driver. |
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| 17:42.01 | tuxy | my config is default and simple |
| 17:42.07 | jhutchins | tuxy: It's pretty unusual to have working ipv6 through a home or small business provider. |
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| 17:42.21 | tuxy | jhutchins, this is a server with choopa |
| 17:42.24 | tuxy | choopa.net |
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| 17:42.35 | tuxy | they have native ipv6 |
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| 17:43.47 | jhutchins | !ipv6 |
| 17:43.47 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 17:44.09 | jhutchins | tuxy: Failing that, you could try their tech support. |
| 17:44.41 | petn-randall | tuxy: Can you ping your ipv6 router? |
| 17:44.44 | tuxy | yes |
| 17:44.48 | jhutchins | tuxy: Frankly all I did for my system was not disable it. |
| 17:44.55 | tuxy | 2001:19f0:300:1493::1 |
| 17:45.26 | tuxy | hmm let me try #debian-ipv6 |
| 17:45.58 | petn-randall | tuxy: Can you do AAAA DNS lookups? |
| 17:46.06 | tuxy | I can't |
| 17:46.14 | tuxy | it always says unknown host |
| 17:46.16 | petn-randall | tuxy: Then you have DNS problems .... |
| 17:46.40 | tuxy | well, I can't even ping any outside IP |
| 17:46.44 | MrFrood | tuxy: does your dns provider do ipv6? |
| 17:46.49 | tuxy | MrFrood, yes, it doees |
| 17:46.53 | tuxy | native ipv6 |
| 17:46.53 | jhutchins | tuxy: You may also have the wrong address for the gateway, that's not a public address. |
| 17:46.55 | cristiancv100 | hello how can i solve this:Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table. |
| 17:47.06 | cristiancv100 | im trying to set a mail server with postfix 2.9,dovecot 2.1.7 and slapd 2.4.31, im receiving this error: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table |
| 17:47.06 | cristiancv100 | this are my settings doveconf -n http://paste.debian.net/76409/ and postconf -n http://paste.debian.net/76411/ |
| 17:47.09 | tuxy | jhutchins, I double checked everything that could be a typo |
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| 17:47.23 | petn-randall | tuxy: If you can't go further then your router, it either isn't meant to be your router, or it's a connectivity issue of your ISP. |
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| 17:48.28 | tuxy | clarly there is something wrong with the module or the config because an ubuntu live CD can pick up the addresses and has connectivity perfectly |
| 17:48.33 | tuxy | I know it's not the config |
| 17:49.51 | petn-randall | cristiancv100: Is this an error message of postfix? Who is the recipient? |
| 17:50.13 | jhutchins | tuxy: Where did you get the gateway address? |
| 17:50.14 | petn-randall | tuxy: Pick up which addresses? |
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| 17:50.42 | tuxy | jhutchins, the provder gave me the gateway IP and the ip block |
| 17:50.57 | tuxy | petn-randall, the address from the assigned /64 block of ipv6 |
| 17:51.02 | tuxy | for this particular server |
| 17:51.15 | jhutchins | tuxy: Did you configure the live session manually or via dhcp? |
| 17:52.34 | tuxy | jhutchins, right not it is auto via RA |
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| 17:54.00 | Lady_Aleena | What is the program called where I can see why my computer is running so slow? |
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| 17:55.45 | MrFrood | Lady_Aleena: top or htop ? |
| 17:56.36 | Dagger | tuxy: pastebin `ifconfig`, `ip -6 r` and /e/n/i for the situation where it works, and pastebin it again for the situation where it doesn't |
| 17:57.04 | koell1 | Lady_Aleena: Windows? |
| 17:57.05 | Lady_Aleena | MrFrood, what is the difference between them? |
| 17:57.15 | tuxy | Dagger, it works during a live CD |
| 17:57.37 | tuxy | hmm let me go ahead and try that |
| 17:57.58 | cockroach | petn-randall: btw, this is the last thing that happens before the screen goes blank: http://picpaste.com/screen-ZNlgyHj7.png |
| 17:58.28 | cockroach | (sorry for the poor quality) |
| 17:59.49 | Lady_Aleena | MrFrood, well top gave me a list in a terminal which looks familiar, where htop hijacked Amarok and started playing music I don't remember having on my computer. |
| 18:00.18 | cristiancv100 | <petn-randall> user1@tesisgad.com |
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| 18:00.49 | MrFrood | Lady_Aleena: htop should just be a slightly more user friendly version of top :-/ |
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| 18:01.53 | Lady_Aleena | MrFrood, Amarok must have made htop a "radio" station shortcut. |
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| 18:02.18 | Lady_Aleena | What is Xorg? |
| 18:02.52 | MrFrood | !xorg |
| 18:02.52 | dpkg | X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian 4.0 "Etch". To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. Backports for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" are available, ask about <bdo xorg>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://x.org/ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:04.09 | Lady_Aleena | Got the message, go to the web. |
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| 18:05.41 | MrFrood | Lady_Aleena: na, it was just less for me to type |
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| 18:06.20 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a shortcut to find out what the X Window System is? |
| 18:06.49 | MrFrood | Lady_Aleena: xorg is the base system for all the pretty gui cruft |
| 18:06.59 | scampbell | as of wheezy it appears that preseeding grub-installer/bootdev no longer works. Might anyone have a clue how to preseed where grub installs the boot loader? |
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| 18:10.23 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks MrFrood. |
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| 18:12.15 | Lady_Aleena | When selecting a DE, I should have asked about memory consumption, too. My computer is running so slow. |
| 18:12.39 | [A3G1S] | hey guys, I was playing with iptables and was able to save bandwidth/user ... also I was able to save iptables rules on system restart |
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| 18:13.00 | [A3G1S] | but saving system rules on restart doesn't save bandwidth data |
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| 18:13.10 | [A3G1S] | can any 1 help me with this ? |
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| 18:13.44 | centrx | Sure! |
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| 18:17.54 | MrFrood | [A3G1S]: if you don't get an answer, just idle here and chances are that someone will come along who will |
| 18:18.17 | [A3G1S] | ok |
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| 18:32.26 | guest442 | I wanted to ask a question about Jessie install and linux kernel headers in my grub menu. |
| 18:32.37 | DammitJim | what should I use to backup my debian machine? |
| 18:32.45 | DammitJim | I've heard some people say dd |
| 18:33.13 | DammitJim | but from the little I know, for dd, you'll need media only for the backup (you can't have any other information on it) Is that true? |
| 18:33.27 | guest442 | DammitJim: I have used remastersys. That make a bootable cloned image. or just a cloned image. depending on how you use it. |
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| 18:33.46 | DammitJim | remastersys |
| 18:34.02 | DammitJim | do you have to boot into different media to make the backup like clonezilla? |
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| 18:34.42 | guest442 | no. you can connect your USB flash drive and make a back up that way. I think it makes a clone of your install + apps. not your personal files. |
| 18:35.05 | guest442 | i havent used it in years. i recommended it recently and someone said it still works and is found in the deb repos |
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| 18:35.49 | ScottE | DammitJim: I use duplicity/duply to back up the bits I can't recreate (/home, /etc, /usr/local, /opt) |
| 18:35.55 | guest442 | as a gui backup. maybe look into deja dup |
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| 18:36.39 | ScottE | The rest I don't bother to backup at all because it can be installed easily. I do dump an occasional dpkg -l into my backup dir though |
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| 18:38.37 | cdbsad | hallo, i have a problem with squid proxy. no internet access is possible through proxy server. http://pastebin.com/cTJJqq8g this is the squid.conf can u tell me whats missing? |
| 18:38.44 | DammitJim | oh, that's a great suggestion (dump) |
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| 18:39.07 | DammitJim | hhhmmmm... I think I'm going to stick with Clonezilla for now |
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| 18:40.29 | cdbsad | i only get |
| 18:40.29 | cdbsad | ERROR |
| 18:40.29 | cdbsad | The requested URL could not be retrieved |
| 18:40.29 | cdbsad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:40.52 | cdbsad | why kick? |
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| 18:43.14 | cdbsad | can someone help me with my problem? |
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| 18:45.52 | oupfive | cdbsad: have you tried a different browser? |
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| 18:45.59 | cdbsad | no difference at all |
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| 18:46.42 | gacyne | i suppose you have told the browser to use the proxie? |
| 18:46.57 | cdbsad | yes but port 80 is transparent |
| 18:47.49 | cdbsad | so i dont need to tell my browser to use it. before the server was running using privoxy for squid. i removed privoxy but now internet access is not possible anymore |
| 18:48.02 | oupfive | cdbsad: I joined the channel a few minutes ago. Did I miss something like you are using Tor or so? |
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| 18:49.38 | cdbsad | no i have used privoxy in combination with squid proxy. but i didnt want to have privoxy installed because it cant cache anything so i did a apt-get remove privoxy and disabled this line in squid3.conf -> cache_peer localhost parent 8118 0 default no-query no-digest no-netdb-exchange |
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| 18:50.19 | cdbsad | now it says: This request could not be forwarded to the origin server or to any parent caches. |
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| 18:51.55 | oupfive | but IRC works via the proxy? |
| 18:52.27 | cdbsad | no its excluded from proxy |
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| 18:53.08 | oupfive | cdbsad: so the problem is not port-specific but the routing in general |
| 18:53.25 | cdbsad | or should i better say i disabled wccp on cisco |
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| 18:53.44 | cdbsad | so surfing the web is possible without proxy |
| 18:54.01 | cdbsad | but as soon as i want to enable it it says the error message above |
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| 18:54.14 | oupfive | !squid |
| 18:54.14 | dpkg | Squid is a caching web proxy supporting HTTP/S, FTP and others. Debian's squid packages are not built with SSL support (Debian bug #180886), ask about <package rebuild> and supply "--enable-ssl" for this. See also <squid deb caching>, <transparent proxy>. /usr/share/doc/squid{,3}/* http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq http://squid-cache.org/ #squid on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:54.18 | oupfive | !privoxy |
| 18:54.18 | dpkg | Privoxy (privacy enhancing HTTP proxy) is a sophisticated fork of <junkbuster> with many new options and aggressive defaults. After installing, configure your browser to proxy HTTP and HTTPS (SSL) on host 127.0.0.1 port 8118. http://www.privoxy.org/faq/ http://www.privoxy.org/user-manual/quickstart.html . See also <banner filtering>. |
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| 19:10.59 | Ritzton | Hello |
| 19:11.04 | centrx | Ahoy |
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| 19:14.33 | Wilim | If I have a bash script that does stuff, as it should. and it requires super user privileges, if its called using "sudo script.sh", does the script have to use sudo inside itself to do stuff like apt-get install ... etc. or does every subcall / sub-console / etc. have super user permissions too? |
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| 19:15.26 | dondelelcaro | Wilim: no, sudo will call it as root, and from them on, it will be root |
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| 19:15.45 | dondelelcaro | Wilim: if you want it to do things as your user, you might consider not using sudo to call it, but using sudo within it |
| 19:15.49 | Wilim | Thats what I thought, just wanted to check |
| 19:16.19 | Wilim | Nope, everything needs to be done via root |
| 19:16.38 | Wilim | thank you |
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| 19:18.59 | samyr | can anybody help me? My laptop with debian doesn't load the system |
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| 19:20.33 | samyr | and even when I try to put a cd with boot, the system doesn't work |
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| 19:22.19 | petn-randall | samyr: Sure, we can help. Can you provide us with details? |
| 19:22.33 | samyr | ok |
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| 19:23.02 | samyr | my notebook is K45VM |
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| 19:23.08 | samyr | Asus |
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| 19:23.37 | samyr | I tried both |
| 19:23.55 | samyr | first: to load the system normally |
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| 19:24.05 | thepieman | notebook + gnu/linux = a hell of a lot of learning curves |
| 19:24.38 | petn-randall | thepieman: Speak for yourself. Debian worked out of the box with my laptop ... |
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| 19:25.17 | thepieman | pent-randall : yeah i've been through some battles but a compaq 6910p works out the box :) |
| 19:25.22 | samyr | but computer go straight to the BIOS system |
| 19:25.27 | Olli0 | as always - it depends... |
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| 19:25.54 | samyr | and I didn't understand that |
| 19:26.08 | samyr | the second: |
| 19:26.23 | petn-randall | thepieman: You can use tab-completion to spell out my name. That way it highlights my name. |
| 19:26.27 | samyr | I tried the obvious run the boot cd |
| 19:26.46 | samyr | now what happen in sequence is |
| 19:26.55 | raboof | my /etc/resolv.conf is managed by resolvconf and contains some outdated values. These values seem to be coming from /run/resolvconf/interfaces/tun0, but that tunnel shouldn't be up anymore |
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| 19:27.01 | raboof | what's going on here? |
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| 19:27.15 | petn-randall | samyr: Which release are you running? |
| 19:27.27 | dondelelcaro | raboof: in general, when the tunnel goes down, it should be calling appropriate ifdown hooks |
| 19:27.35 | dondelelcaro | raboof: presumably that didn't happen |
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| 19:27.41 | dondelelcaro | raboof: you can force it to go away if you need to |
| 19:27.46 | samyr | boot->grub-> when I choose the option to test , nothing happen |
| 19:27.54 | raboof | dondelelcaro: how? just remove the dir and run 'resolvconf -u'? |
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| 19:28.07 | dondelelcaro | raboof: nah, just resolvconf -d tun0 |
| 19:28.25 | raboof | dondelelcaro: right that worked, thanks |
| 19:28.33 | dondelelcaro | raboof: no problem |
| 19:28.35 | halothe23 | d |
| 19:28.40 | samyr | I don't know what can I do more |
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| 19:29.02 | raboof | dondelelcaro: seems kind of nasty that such information can linger - that's simply the design of resolvconf? or can something be done about it? |
| 19:29.10 | samyr | nothing is working |
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| 19:30.29 | samyr | In truth, I lied, my system is ubuntu |
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| 19:30.43 | samyr | =/ |
| 19:30.49 | samyr | 12.04 |
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| 19:31.35 | samyr | I went to the channel of ubuntu and nobody answer me |
| 19:33.43 | petn-randall | !ubuntu |
| 19:33.44 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 19:33.55 | samyr | but I have a debian in another computer at home. |
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| 19:34.08 | jhutchins | samyr: That's very dangerous. Advice that works for Debian could badly break Ubuntu. It's a different system, not just a different name. |
| 19:34.09 | petn-randall | samyr: Thanks for lying. Not interested in supporting this anymore. |
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| 19:34.30 | samyr | I'm sorry |
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| 19:35.05 | vmiimu | I just updated my kernel - do I also have to install / update the linux-header? |
| 19:35.15 | xter1010 | i don't know if this is specific to debian but i'm trying to give a normal user access to the ifconfig command without having to enter a sudo password. i added this line in my sudoers file but it's not working: user ALL=NOPASSWD:sudo /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up |
| 19:35.33 | samyr | jhutchins I know |
| 19:35.45 | centrx | vmiimu, Only if you are compiling software |
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| 19:36.06 | centrx | vmiimu, Otherwise you don't need linux-header at all |
| 19:36.07 | vmiimu | centrx - thanks |
| 19:36.12 | samyr | but I just wanna to have any idea to fix this problem |
| 19:36.27 | samyr | I really don't know how to proceed |
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| 19:37.12 | Olli0 | xter1010: you don't need to add sudo to the command |
| 19:37.18 | samyr | can it be possible a hardware problem? |
| 19:37.33 | Olli0 | xter1010: try just "ALL=NOPASSED:/sbin/ifconfig |
| 19:37.39 | samyr | a kind of HD problem |
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| 19:38.19 | thepieman | samyr : salaam whats up |
| 19:38.44 | Olli0 | xter1010: i meant "user ALL=NOPASSED:/sbin/ifconfig" |
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| 19:39.13 | Olli0 | xter1010: should also work with parameters "user ALL=NOPASSED:/sbin/ifconfig eth0 up" |
| 19:39.28 | samyr | sallam? |
| 19:39.42 | samyr | didn't understand |
| 19:39.43 | xter1010 | Olli8: awesome, i'll try that. thank you |
| 19:39.56 | sarlalian | samyr: it means peace |
| 19:40.20 | samyr | thank you |
| 19:40.37 | xter1010 | wa alaykom asalaam |
| 19:40.44 | samyr | so I don't know what can I do |
| 19:40.57 | samyr | my notebook was working well |
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| 19:41.41 | samyr | suddenlly when stared it goes straight to the BIOS System |
| 19:41.45 | sarlalian | can you boot from a live cd? if not its probably hardware |
| 19:41.55 | samyr | not |
| 19:42.02 | samyr | ohhh |
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| 19:42.36 | samyr | can you guess a reason for this problem? |
| 19:42.53 | samyr | I can't boot from a live cd |
| 19:43.16 | sarlalian | Hm... do you ever get the boot menu with F12 or whatever the option is for your laptop? |
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| 19:43.22 | samyr | when I choose the option in the grub menu |
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| 19:43.27 | samyr | doesn't load |
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| 19:44.21 | sarlalian | Is grub getting loaded from the CD or from your hard drive? ... ie are you getting the initial boot from the cd and it just won't go into the menu option you are choosing |
| 19:44.34 | samyr | from the cd |
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| 19:44.54 | raboof | what's the easiest way to fsck the / partition on a laptop? |
| 19:45.00 | samyr | I have only two options here |
| 19:45.18 | samyr | when I don't use the boot cd |
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| 19:45.33 | samyr | it goes to the BIOS System |
| 19:45.35 | samyr | in a loop |
| 19:45.40 | samyr | forever |
| 19:45.45 | samyr | I can't get out |
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| 19:45.55 | samyr | if a use a live cd |
| 19:46.02 | samyr | what happen |
| 19:46.38 | sarlalian | I'd use a live cd if I could, and try and run a memtest, and also a live linux cd and see if the hard drive shows up in /dev... if it does then fsck it and pray |
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| 19:46.47 | samyr | boot-> "grub"-> the whatever option i choose, anything happen |
| 19:47.06 | samyr | doesn't work |
| 19:47.17 | samyr | I've already tried |
| 19:47.26 | sarlalian | if you can't boot a live cd then there really isn't much that you can do... something hardware wise is wrong and you'll have to get someone who knows hardware to look at it |
| 19:47.40 | petn-randall | raboof: as root, do 'touch /forcefsck', then reboot. |
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| 19:48.32 | samyr | can you gues the reason for this problem? |
| 19:48.42 | samyr | I have no idea |
| 19:49.06 | sarlalian | I can guess a lot of reasons, but that really won't be helpful... it could be anything from the memory to the motherboard to the cpu |
| 19:50.00 | samyr | I can see the temperature of the processor |
| 19:50.44 | samyr | but only the SO don't run, this is strange |
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| 19:51.25 | samyr | we have a boot |
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| 19:51.45 | samyr | and even the grub of the live cd run |
| 19:52.10 | samyr | only when I put any option, nothing happened |
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| 19:55.13 | raboof | petn-randall: cool trick, thanks - doesn't appear to help though, still http://paste.ubuntu.com/6758081/ |
| 19:55.16 | raboof | any further ideas? |
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| 19:56.09 | raboof | (that's 'dmesg | grep sda1 | pastebinit') |
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| 19:56.31 | petn-randall | raboof: Which release is this? |
| 19:57.02 | raboof | petn-randall: jessie |
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| 19:58.15 | raboof | (I pointed the pastebinit configuration to ubuntu because the default was giving me problems the other day) |
| 19:58.31 | petn-randall | raboof: Ah, I see. jessie and newer are usually supported on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Can you paste the output of 'cat /proc/cmdline'? |
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| 19:59.10 | petn-randall | raboof: (feel free to take it there when convenient, I'm in that channel, too) |
| 19:59.37 | raboof | BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.12-1-rt-amd64 root=UUID=7b00a8be-3c73-4152-adc6-7399792679e9 ro quiet |
| 20:00.29 | raboof | though I think it did the same with the non-rt kernel |
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| 20:01.18 | petern_ | hmm, /usepmtimer in windows' boot.ini fixed things |
| 20:01.22 | petern_ | *fingers crossed* |
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| 20:03.30 | petn-randall | raboof: Just wanted to check. If you don't have 'ro' in there, it will always fail because your rootfs is mounted rw when fsck starts. |
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| 20:09.58 | darkblue_b | is there a wiki page somewhere that explains how to put wheezy ssh on a non-standard port ? |
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| 20:11.30 | petern_ | edit the sshd_config |
| 20:11.50 | petern_ | it's not particularly cryptic |
| 20:11.52 | darkblue_b | thats it |
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| 20:11.54 | babilen | darkblue_b: Simply edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config to your liking |
| 20:12.05 | sarlalian | /etc/ssh/sshd_config: Port 9999 |
| 20:12.28 | sankey | i don't understand why i have ruby1.9.1 installed but --version says i have 1.9.3 |
| 20:12.30 | sankey | https://linux.ucla.edu/paste/59uEh?raw |
| 20:13.08 | darkblue_b | hmm then I add a vbox VM, NAT that, and send port 22 to the VM with a firewall rule.. thats the goal |
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| 20:13.28 | babilen | judd: v ruby1.9.1 |
| 20:13.29 | judd | Package: ruby1.9.1 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.9.2.0-2; squeeze-security: 1.9.2.0-2+deb6u2; wheezy: 1.9.3.194-8.1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.9.3.194-8.1+deb7u2; jessie: 1.9.3.484-1; sid: 1.9.3.484-1 |
| 20:13.35 | babilen | sankey: ^^ |
| 20:14.15 | babilen | sankey: Also read the package description of ruby1.9.1 for further information. In short: There is no 1.9.1 |
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| 20:15.19 | petn-randall | darkblue_b: Why do you change the port number for that? NAT should work fine without the port number change. |
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| 20:15.46 | dariopnc | can someone explain me why gnome 3.10 status in debian is so stagnant? |
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| 20:16.10 | petn-randall | darkblue_b: stable doesn't get any updates beyond security updates. |
| 20:16.33 | oupfive | ^^ excepting backports |
| 20:16.45 | darkblue_b | petn-randall: how do I ssh in to a VM that has been NAT IP'd ? |
| 20:16.58 | darkblue_b | ssh out works of course |
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| 20:17.44 | petn-randall | darkblue_b: You just need to port forward SSH to the VM. |
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| 20:18.04 | darkblue_b | petn-randall: oh, and then how do I ssh to the host machine ? |
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| 20:18.48 | petn-randall | darkblue_b: Oh, know I get your setup. Then you need to port forwarding e.g. port 2222 from the host to port 22 of the VM. |
| 20:19.02 | petn-randall | darkblue_b: But the easier way would be not to use NAT at all if possible. |
| 20:19.11 | darkblue_b | I think we are starting to see the situation more completely |
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| 20:21.07 | petn-randall | darkblue_b: NAT is a pain in the butt on so many levels. If you can do it, just use the "bridge mode" of your virtualization platform. |
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| 20:21.40 | babilen | darkblue_b: I'd simply do multi-hop ssh -- Look into something along the lines of "ProxyCommand ssh -W%h:%p GATEWAY_HOST" in ~/.ssh/config as option for the internal host. |
| 20:22.51 | Lady_Aleena | Something is hijacking my keyboard when I switch from XChat to Notepad++. |
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| 20:23.22 | frostschutz | too much wine |
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| 20:23.36 | darkblue_b | babilen: can you point to more info on that ? |
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| 20:23.58 | Lady_Aleena | frostschutz, you think it is because it is run in wine I am losing control of my keyboard? |
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| 20:26.24 | dariopnc | does someone know why gnome 3.10 hasn't made it into debian testing yet? |
| 20:26.30 | Greeks | how to kill a proc like this /usr/sbin/apache2 |
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| 20:26.36 | Greeks | killall -9 apache2 |
| 20:26.40 | Greeks | not function |
| 20:26.48 | petn-randall | darkblue_b: Check out the man page of 'ssh', and search for 'ProxyCommand', it's documented pretty well there. |
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| 20:27.14 | petn-randall | Greeks: Can you paste the output of 'ps auxw | grep apache2' to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 20:28.11 | Greeks | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/76485/ |
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| 20:28.47 | petn-randall | Greeks: Are you root when you run killall? |
| 20:28.51 | Greeks | yes |
| 20:29.22 | Greeks | id |
| 20:29.22 | Greeks | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
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| 20:29.50 | babilen | darkblue_b: One sec |
| 20:30.05 | Greeks | killall -9 apache2 |
| 20:30.06 | Greeks | apache2: no process found |
| 20:30.26 | Olli0 | Greeks: can you try "killall -v ..." for verbose output? |
| 20:30.49 | Greeks | killall -v apache2 |
| 20:30.49 | Greeks | apache2: no process found |
| 20:31.09 | pnbeast | Greeks, for many systems, there is a script which you can use to start and stop things like "apache2", which I'm guessing means their httpd. But if you won't or can't use that, plain "kill" and the PID might be best. |
| 20:31.35 | babilen | darkblue_b: Simply google for "ssh multi-hop" (and sprinke proxycommand in there) - But don't use nc, but the natively supported ProxyCommand I've given you. It does more or less the same, but reading the articles you'll find will give you the right idea. |
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| 20:31.40 | Greeks | 21411 pts/0 S 1:13 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 20:31.40 | Greeks | 21418 pts/0 R 9:54 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 20:31.56 | pnbeast | Greeks: BTW, if I couldn't use a start-up script, I'd use "kill -TERM", first, not "kill -9". |
| 20:31.58 | Greeks | killall -9 21411 |
| 20:31.58 | Greeks | 21411: no process found |
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| 20:32.18 | sarlalian | kill -9 `pgrep apache2` |
| 20:32.19 | Woet | Greeks: killall takes a process name, not a pid |
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| 20:32.27 | Olli0 | Greeks: only "kill -9 PID" |
| 20:32.29 | Woet | wat sarlalian |
| 20:32.33 | Woet | Greeks: killall -9 apache2 |
| 20:32.38 | Woet | if you want all of them gone |
| 20:32.43 | Woet | or kill -9 21411 |
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| 20:33.28 | sarlalian | Well if the killall -9 apache2 isn't working he can get similar functionality out of kill -9 and pgrep |
| 20:33.45 | Greeks | thanks 0llio thats work |
| 20:33.50 | Woet | sarlalian: why would it not work |
| 20:33.59 | sarlalian | Not sure, he said it didn't |
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| 20:34.19 | Woet | riiight |
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| 20:34.30 | Woet | looks like a fake command line then, some kind of backdoor |
| 20:34.30 | Woet | oh wel |
| 20:34.31 | Woet | l |
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| 20:38.34 | Greeks | Woet, is perl bot |
| 20:38.41 | Greeks | BasicBot::Irc |
| 20:38.57 | tcope | need a consistent way to bring net interfaces up/down ... not fully seeing the new way of doing things .. can edit interfaces file and using ifconfig up/down but old address remains .. services networking restart fails .. and NetworkManager not install for will it .. what am I missing ? |
| 20:39.13 | ChibaPet | tcope: ifup/ifdown |
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| 20:39.38 | ChibaPet | tcope: Also, if you're using NetworkManager, you don't want to manage interfaces alongside it. |
| 20:39.51 | ChibaPet | tcope: Either manage them yourself, or have it do it and use NM tools. |
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| 20:40.04 | tcope | NM will not be installed |
| 20:40.09 | psycheye | hi all |
| 20:40.17 | tcope | thats what i needed TY |
| 20:40.33 | ChibaPet | yw, enjoy |
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| 20:41.22 | samyr | I was talking to myself... |
| 20:41.38 | ChibaPet | samyr: I don't see a question. Restate? |
| 20:42.00 | ChibaPet | Oh, seeing it now. Reading. |
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| 20:43.46 | ChibaPet | samyr: I don't know this for sure, but it seems from a quick read as though your hardware might qualify as exotic and unsupported, if the kernel blows up on you right away such that you see nothing after launching it from the GRUB menu. What kind of hardware is it? |
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| 20:44.58 | samyr | I think the problem might was related to the uefi |
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| 20:45.07 | samyr | the notebook has |
| 20:45.18 | samyr | the secure boot is disabled |
| 20:45.31 | samyr | and I was able to install the linux |
| 20:45.38 | ChibaPet | Ah, good. |
| 20:45.57 | uw | stupid secure boot |
| 20:46.10 | samyr | I was using my notebook |
| 20:46.19 | samyr | frequently |
| 20:46.39 | samyr | then suddenly when I stared my notebook |
| 20:46.56 | samyr | I can't run the OS |
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| 20:47.25 | samyr | it is going straight to the UEFI/BIOS |
| 20:47.48 | samyr | I don't how have to call this system |
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| 20:48.05 | samyr | UEFI or BIOS |
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| 20:48.34 | samyr | when I try to use a live cd |
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| 20:49.12 | samyr | it doesn't pass that track: "choose your option" something like a grub |
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| 20:49.17 | samyr | I think is grub |
| 20:49.49 | samyr | any option when i choose take me to the same point |
| 20:49.59 | quinso | Hello. When doing upgrade/dist-upgrade, is there a way to upgrade only those packages for which apt-listbugs doesn't list any serious bugs? |
| 20:50.03 | samyr | the processor stop |
| 20:50.19 | samyr | and nothing happen |
| 20:50.46 | samyr | even when I choose the testmemory |
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| 20:51.28 | oupfive | quinso: when apt-listbugs is installed, it normally always interferes when upgrading and tell of serious bugs of packages |
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| 20:52.09 | quinso | oupfive: yes, and I want to install only those packages which don't have those serious bugs and which don't depend on them. |
| 20:52.15 | ChibaPet | samyr: Oh, I misunderstood then. (Also, more per line can't hurt. People try to avoid newlines as punctuation.) So, am I correct in assuming that Debian was working fine, and then perhaps after an upgrade it stopped working? |
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| 20:52.22 | quinso | oupfive: that means I want to upgrade but I don't want to install broken packages |
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| 20:53.05 | samyr | ChibaPet my OS isn't Debian |
| 20:53.12 | samyr | is ubuntu |
| 20:53.20 | oupfive | !ubuntu |
| 20:53.22 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 20:53.28 | abrotman | samyr: please use #ubuntu or ##linux, thank you |
| 20:53.30 | ChibaPet | samyr: Ah. There's your problem. Definitely install Debian instead. |
| 20:53.44 | samyr | i really tried |
| 20:53.59 | abrotman | samyr: This channel supports Debian, if you're using Ubuntu, please go to #ubuntu |
| 20:54.04 | ByteMe1 | Hi, I'm having a serious pain in the butt with my switchable graphics. Ever since I installed fglrx, I haven't been able to get my intel igpu working. I've been googling my ass off and found a buttload of solutions for other distro's or just dead topics... Any one any experience? |
| 20:54.16 | samyr | nobody was able aswering my question |
| 20:54.26 | samyr | even in #hardware |
| 20:54.43 | ChibaPet | ByteMe1: fglrx was nightmarish when I tried it, so I gave up and went back to the default radeon driver. |
| 20:55.00 | ChibaPet | ByteMe1: It was not at all the experience I've had with, say, the nVidia proprietary drivers. |
| 20:55.20 | samyr | bye, thank you for your try |
| 20:55.25 | ChibaPet | samyr: Serious advice, install Debian. |
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| 20:55.31 | ompaul | ChibaPet: +1 |
| 20:55.38 | ByteMe1 | Yeah, I never got it back to what it was before |
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| 20:56.29 | ChibaPet | ompaul: I don't say it to be snide, either. Between my use and other folks needing help in workplaces, I've yet to see a problem that wasn't solved by ripping up Ubuntu and installing Debian instead. Oh well. |
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| 20:57.01 | ByteMe1 | And I don't really feel like doing a reinstall |
| 20:57.13 | ompaul | ChibaPet: not even suggesting that you are |
| 20:57.14 | ChibaPet | ByteMe1: Did you use Debian packages instead of the really manual/native stuff? |
| 20:57.22 | ByteMe1 | packages |
| 20:57.34 | ompaul | apt-get remove --purge packagename |
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| 20:57.43 | ChibaPet | ompaul: I know. I'm just noting that for anyone who might think I'm being OS-jingoist. :P |
| 20:57.50 | ompaul | ByteMe1: do it from a terminal |
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| 20:58.03 | ompaul | ChibaPet: ah, not for me then. :) |
| 20:58.50 | jimmybrite | Anyone know how to fix applications changing main volume, they're all getting out of sync and I have to open up pavucontrol, I tried the /etc/pulse/daemon.conf " flat-volume = no" fix but that didn't do anything. |
| 20:59.00 | ByteMe1 | I did do it from a terminal(via aptitude), but the problem is: I somehow lost my initial xorg.conf file... |
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| 21:00.17 | ByteMe1 | jimmybrite: is it an intermittent problem or systematically? |
| 21:00.31 | jimmybrite | ByteMe1, When sound is playing |
| 21:00.37 | DammitJim | if I want to install an older version of a .deb package, do I need to uninstall the newest one first? |
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| 21:00.58 | jimmybrite | ByteMe1, Example, it's impossible for me to have 100% volume in totem and 25% in main volume, it;s like they're linked |
| 21:01.03 | jordanm | DammitJim: no, but packages technically don't support downgrading |
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| 21:01.19 | jordanm | DammitJim: but downgrading should have the same result as uninstall/reinstall |
| 21:01.28 | DammitJim | jordanm, I'm asking because I'm testing creating deb packages |
| 21:01.33 | DammitJim | :D |
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| 21:02.23 | ByteMe1 | jimmybrite : why would you set up the main volume to be lower than a specific volume? that's contradictory |
| 21:03.09 | jimmybrite | ByteMe1, I think we have a misunderstanding, all my apps control my global volume, that;s annoying |
| 21:03.35 | jimmybrite | ByteMe1, this is the first time it;s done that, I was with Mint before and it didn't act like that |
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| 21:04.34 | jimmybrite | It seems Debian specific |
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| 21:05.28 | ByteMe1 | jimmybrite: i'm afraid I can't help you... I've had some intermittent problems, but restarting the sound always did the trick for me. I believe flash is the culprit somehow:-/ |
| 21:06.51 | jimmybrite | I tend to use my keyboard's volume control, and seeing it drop the app volume and the main volume at the same time is not what I want. like I'll have 50% volume in an app and 25% global then I use they kb vol + and all of a sudden it's 75% and 50% respectively, I just don't get why they thought this was a good idea |
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| 21:07.16 | ByteMe1 | ompaul: what do you mean by do it from terminal? I did do it from terminal with aptitude |
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| 21:08.11 | jimmybrite | It's like they're all linked, chrome, totem, rythmbox, vlc, when all I wanna do is lower global volume |
| 21:08.37 | jimmybrite | they they all get out of sync after a while and I need to readjust the volume in pavucontrol for each app |
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| 21:09.12 | ompaul | ByteMe1: now I would do: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:09.20 | ompaul | ByteMe1: restart and see how you go |
| 21:09.31 | ByteMe1 | did it, no advance |
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| 21:11.04 | babilen | ByteMe1: What actually happens if you start Xorg? Could you paste your Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net ? Did you make sure to remove the configuration file you created for fglrx? Please note that you do *not* need a xorg.conf for the radeon module. |
| 21:11.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell ByteMe1 -about empty xorg.conf |
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| 21:12.30 | ByteMe1 | I've got 6 Xorg.*insert 0 to 5 here*.log from all my attempts |
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| 21:13.47 | wols_ | ByteMe1: there is a reason babilen included a number in his request |
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| 21:14.46 | babilen | indeed :) - but then it looks as if ByteMe1 either started multiple instances or manually specified different displays. |
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| 21:15.11 | babilen | ByteMe1: How do you actually start Xorg? Did you reboot after removing fglrx? |
| 21:15.27 | ompaul | wagers not |
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| 21:16.04 | ByteMe1 | I tried hacking for hours on end :p |
| 21:16.21 | ByteMe1 | (pasted it!) |
| 21:16.30 | ByteMe1 | http://paste.debian.net/76496/ |
| 21:16.52 | centrx | ByteMe1, Wow did you write all that yourself? |
| 21:17.10 | ByteMe1 | Xorg -configure says Number of created screens does not match the number of detected devices |
| 21:17.30 | babilen | ByteMe1: It looks as if you still have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf or this isn't the most recent log. Either way, continue by answering my questions :) |
| 21:18.03 | ByteMe1 | I rebooted after removing fglrx |
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| 21:18.28 | babilen | ByteMe1: I wouldn't recommend to use a xorg.conf file *at all* if you plan to use radeon and I also wouldn't use X -configure or aticonfig for that. |
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| 21:18.57 | ByteMe1 | but ever since I installed fglrx, I haven't been able to set things back up for intel |
| 21:19.27 | ompaul | ByteMe1: mv xorg.conf NotNeeded-xorg.conf |
| 21:19.29 | ByteMe1 | than what can I do to get the internal gpu back up and running? |
| 21:19.30 | babilen | ByteMe1: So, please remove *any* configuration file you might have. Run "apt-get --reinstall install libgl1-mesa-dri" (show me the output) and then reboot. After you've done that start Xorg (how do you do that?) and paste the log to http://paste.debian.net |
| 21:19.41 | babilen | err, intel |
| 21:19.44 | babilen | argh |
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| 21:20.17 | ByteMe1 | yeah, I wasn't as informed as you'd like to be when I bought this laptop... |
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| 21:20.58 | babilen | No, intel is great, but switched graphics are (still) a pain. |
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| 21:21.39 | babilen | Sorry, I just was in "radeon" mode due to the frequent mentions of fglrx. I forgot that you are using switched graphics. The procedure should still be the same though. |
| 21:21.44 | babilen | brb |
| 21:22.25 | ByteMe1 | so I just need to move the xorg.conf files to a backup location? |
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| 21:22.55 | wols_ | ByteMe1: possibly xorg.conf/d ones too. I suggest you check which one exactly tries to load radeon |
| 21:22.59 | wols_ | or fglrx |
| 21:23.18 | ByteMe1 | in the folder /etc/X11 |
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| 21:24.47 | ByteMe1 | wols_: xorg.conf/d ? don't have anything like that |
| 21:25.13 | wols_ | sorry. /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 21:25.44 | ByteMe1 | no such folder |
| 21:25.59 | ByteMe1 | I'm on Wheezy (don't know if that matters) |
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| 21:27.14 | Rootza | Does anybody know of a way to share the internet connection from my device incoming at wlan0 to my pc at eth0? |
| 21:27.17 | aaa801 | How can i add a apt mirror for xapt |
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| 21:31.24 | ByteMe1 | babilen: reinstalling mesa at the moment, what output do you need? |
| 21:31.45 | babilen | all? |
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| 21:32.11 | ghostlines_ | Rootza: Interesting, it's possible check this link https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/howto-bridge-wireless-and-wired-network-interfaces-369455/ |
| 21:32.39 | ByteMe1 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/76498/ |
| 21:33.24 | ByteMe1 | if I'm going to reboot I'm quite certain everything is going to go quite badly... |
| 21:33.44 | ByteMe1 | anything I need to know before I go down the rabbithole? |
| 21:34.00 | ByteMe1 | do I need to remove fglrx? |
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| 21:36.17 | ByteMe1 | babilen? |
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| 21:39.07 | wols_ | aaa801: what "mirror" do you need for it? |
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| 21:39.35 | aaa801 | wols_: im cross compiling a package for raspbian (debian for the raspberry pi), and i need some distro specific packages |
| 21:39.42 | aaa801 | like the videocore libs etc |
| 21:40.18 | ByteMe1 | babilen: I'm back and it's not completely ruined... but gnome went from 3 to something a bit older... |
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| 21:41.29 | gacyne | i have a discreet grafics card and one on my mboard will they both work on debian? |
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| 21:42.11 | dudester | gacyne: usually they will |
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| 21:42.12 | aaa801 | gacyne: not exactly mind readers here, thats like asking will this new engine work in my car , without specifing model numbers.. |
| 21:42.13 | gacyne | will there be conficts? |
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| 21:42.38 | wols_ | aaa801: then ask said distro which provides them, we cannot help you with other distros |
| 21:42.51 | aaa801 | wols_: i don't need help with the otehr distro |
| 21:42.53 | ByteMe1 | @gacyne: I'll tell you one thing: it will be a pain |
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| 21:42.58 | aaa801 | i need to know how to add the mirror to xapt |
| 21:42.59 | wols_ | gacyne: depends. you will need to configure it manually. |
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| 21:43.23 | gacyne | ho ok nevermind then |
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| 21:43.53 | wols_ | gacyne: it's for source repos. you add them like any other |
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| 21:44.53 | gacyne | the mboard one is hd400 and the discret one is hd5760 |
| 21:45.22 | wols_ | aaa801: ^ |
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| 21:45.38 | aaa801 | ok |
| 21:46.10 | gacyne | i get 2 driver installs on joley in ubuntu |
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| 21:46.14 | gacyne | jokey |
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| 21:46.39 | gacyne | i think its going to be a haufull mess |
| 21:47.04 | wols_ | gacyne: there is no extra driver to download for your hardware |
| 21:47.21 | gacyne | what? |
| 21:47.36 | ByteMe1 | could someone tell me why the hell my gnome went back a version just by removing the xorg.conf files and reinstalling libgl1-mesa-dri? |
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| 21:48.03 | wols_ | ByteMe1: you are imagining things |
| 21:48.04 | gacyne | on jokey i get 2 entries with a green dot |
| 21:48.31 | mtn | ByteMe1: I think you may be in fallback mode |
| 21:48.34 | dudester | gacyne: it should work fine... you can download proprietary drivers for your hd5760 but in most cases it should just work |
| 21:48.34 | wols_ | gacyne: debian supports your hardware out of the box |
| 21:49.14 | ByteMe1 | mtn : I think so too... |
| 21:49.17 | babilen | ByteMe1: That would be the fallback mode as you seem to have lost acceleration. Regarding your earlier question: I assumed that you completely *purged* fglrx from your system in its entirety. If not please do so and then reboot again. Another look at your Xorg.0.log might also be interesting. |
| 21:49.33 | gacyne | wols_: it supports it very badlly |
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| 21:50.05 | gacyne | because ive run live distros and the cards fans seem to be spining at full |
| 21:50.07 | ByteMe1 | babilen: I'll purge fglrx now, just a minute, have to look up the commands |
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| 21:50.45 | gacyne | it makes too much noise |
| 21:50.58 | gacyne | that doesnt seem to be working properlly |
| 21:50.58 | babilen | ByteMe1: Okay, you really should have done that ages ago :) |
| 21:51.06 | grepwood | hi everyone, I have a problem with my shells on Debian |
| 21:51.11 | babilen | gacyne: Are you using Ubuntu? |
| 21:51.14 | ByteMe1 | @gacyne: don't know if it's a laptop with you, but I've got a bunch of thermal issues due to graphics |
| 21:51.23 | gacyne | not right now |
| 21:51.32 | babilen | gacyne: good :) |
| 21:51.42 | grepwood | I installed xterm and I can't seem to get anything more than the $ sign in my PS1 |
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| 21:51.48 | gacyne | i tryed it with trusty live |
| 21:51.57 | grepwood | and my users start from /root rather than their ~ |
| 21:52.08 | gacyne | its not has bad as it was with other olders distros |
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| 21:52.31 | gacyne | but still its not as quite as with windows |
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| 21:52.57 | gacyne | maybe installing the binary drivers will fix that |
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| 21:53.35 | PryMar56 | grepwood, more verbose: useradd -m -s /bin/bash <UN> |
| 21:53.48 | jhutchins | grepwood: THere's a reason why things are done the way they are. If you break standards you can't expect them too work normally. |
| 21:53.53 | gacyne | maybe all try sparky linux since its got the binary driver installed wile running live to test it |
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| 21:54.29 | grepwood | jhutchins, I don't understand though, I installed debian like I did 3 years ago and this isn't what I usually get out of it |
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| 21:54.49 | gacyne | why arent linux live iso already shiping with the binary drivers? |
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| 21:54.58 | grepwood | because muh freedoms |
| 21:55.02 | jhutchins | grepwood: What you describe isn't a standard Debian install. |
| 21:55.29 | vmiimu | Is there a way to access the "SEE ALSO" items listed at the bottom of some man pages without "q"uitting and then searching "man xyz" again? |
| 21:55.34 | grepwood | jhutchins, is tasksel install standard __not__ standard? |
| 21:55.54 | wols_ | grepwood: getent passwd `whoami` |
| 21:56.22 | wols_ | gacyne: cause it would be a gpl violation to ship non free software |
| 21:56.35 | grepwood | wols_, it says "/bin/sh" in my username, this isn't standard |
| 21:56.41 | jhutchins | grepwood: You said a) Your users "start from /root instead of ~" and b) the standard prompt isn't working. |
| 21:56.44 | grepwood | root has /bin/bash |
| 21:56.57 | wols_ | grepwood: I want its full output |
| 21:57.00 | jhutchins | grepwood: Did you change it? |
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| 21:58.36 | grepwood | wols_, root has ~ in /root and /bin/bash |
| 21:58.45 | grepwood | grepwood has ~ in /home/grepwood and /bin/sh |
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| 21:59.02 | wols_ | grepwood: full output of the command and output of "uname -a" and "dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1" |
| 21:59.04 | grepwood | new user called tycho has ~ in /home/tycho and /bin/bash |
| 21:59.18 | ByteMe1 | @babilen : I've purged fglrx off and reinstalled mesa, still in fallback mode... |
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| 21:59.31 | gacyne | gpl violation? but you can ship gpl code inbebed in non free software |
| 22:00.20 | grepwood | no gacyne you can't have gpl code inside of proprietary software |
| 22:00.33 | ByteMe1 | I don't know which gpu I'm using now, how can I find that out? |
| 22:00.39 | gacyne | how would you know? |
| 22:00.43 | grepwood | because I read the gpl |
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| 22:01.00 | wols_ | gacyne: just cause people who do it aren't sued, doesn't mean you can. and it would also totally violate the DFSG and the debian social contract. but this is all OT here |
| 22:01.14 | grepwood | also wols_ it's a 2.6.39 custom kernel for powerpc |
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| 22:01.21 | gacyne | i mean you would have to reverse engeneer the binary code to know that |
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| 22:01.41 | gacyne | hence breaking a hole set of licenses |
| 22:01.41 | grepwood | gacyne, and if you do that you're picking up the soap |
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| 22:02.21 | grepwood | wols_, because I can't compile 3.4 or 3.2 whatever I do, the machine I work with is a ps3 and it really needs a custom kernel in order to work properly |
| 22:02.30 | grepwood | that the usual powerpc release doesn't have |
| 22:02.32 | gacyne | if i did what? |
| 22:02.33 | wols_ | grepwood: please paste the stuff I asked in a pastebin or I cannot help you |
| 22:03.13 | grepwood | wols_, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=kgACCSsK |
| 22:03.49 | gacyne | isnt steamOS breaking the gpl then? |
| 22:03.50 | wols_ | grepwood: I do not think you run debian at all |
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| 22:04.05 | grepwood | was that supposed to be a joke? |
| 22:04.12 | wols_ | gacyne: this is a debian technical support channel. not a -legal channel. please stop |
| 22:04.49 | wols_ | grepwood: do you see me laughing? |
| 22:04.58 | grepwood | no because I don't see your face |
| 22:05.07 | grepwood | and neither am I so I assumed this could a joke on my expense |
| 22:05.14 | grepwood | give me a sec |
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| 22:05.19 | grepwood | if you don't believe me |
| 22:05.19 | gacyne | i was just trying to figure out why most distros dont work the best out of the box |
| 22:05.38 | grepwood | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=nBaxvYgF |
| 22:06.26 | grepwood | gacyne, because you need to pay some fees to be an authorized redistributor of proprietary software even if it's free of financial charge |
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| 22:06.52 | grepwood | and most people do not feel obliged to put up being challenged by burreaucracy in order to receive such lucrative status |
| 22:07.01 | wols_ | grepwood: my guess is you didn't install from an official debian ISO/image. which leads to your problems like bad /etc/passwd entries |
| 22:07.16 | Greeks | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKkLjJHwRec |
| 22:07.39 | grepwood | wols_, I installed it this way http://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/OtherOS%2B%2B#Debian |
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| 22:08.09 | grepwood | the official installer included on the debian ISO would not detect /dev/ps3dd which is a region within /dev/ps3da |
| 22:08.13 | gacyne | i think the graphic card manufacturers should be the 1st to want the hardware working perfectly out of the box |
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| 22:09.06 | MilitaryMuffin | gacyne: that's in conflict with wanting to ship out more/faster |
| 22:09.15 | grepwood | you can't install on /dev/ps3da because then you will wipe GameOS, and then your ps3 is good for nothing if you boot back to GameOS by accident |
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| 22:09.36 | ByteMe1 | gacyne : it just comes down to the point that the free software community wants to incentivize users to use free drivers, even when they have less performance. If all distros are packed with binary blob drivers out of the box, there won't come a day when hardware manufacturers will deem it necessary to provide FOSS drivers |
| 22:10.02 | grepwood | what ByteMe1 said |
| 22:10.13 | grepwood | it's similar with bundling Wine into Steam |
| 22:10.19 | grepwood | if you do that, nobody will bother porting for Linux |
| 22:10.27 | grepwood | everyone will just be lazy and bundle Wine |
| 22:10.47 | grepwood | there were actually people wanting to do that |
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| 22:11.10 | ByteMe1 | having stuff work out of the box is a convenience(to quote RMS), having freedom means having control over your software and your hardware |
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| 22:11.28 | gacyne | i only see the need for that if the performance isnt on par |
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| 22:11.51 | gacyne | why reinvent the wheel |
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| 22:12.06 | grepwood | because the iwheel has a nasty eula |
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| 22:12.58 | ByteMe1 | If you don't see the need for freedom as long as the performance isn't on par, then you'd be better of with iCrap |
| 22:12.59 | grepwood | and it might have backdoors, proprietary licensing is a huge enabler of those |
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| 22:13.28 | grepwood | because if you find out the backdoor, you had to decompile the proprietary software aka break the law |
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| 22:13.45 | grepwood | so you're getting sued |
| 22:13.51 | grepwood | average joe dun care |
| 22:13.58 | grepwood | your efforts were in vain |
| 22:14.06 | petn-randall | Hi grepwood and ByteMe1, feel free to take this over to #debian-offtopic, to keep this channel clear for tech support. Thanks. |
| 22:14.25 | grepwood | ok thanks |
| 22:14.31 | ByteMe1 | petn-randall : noted |
| 22:15.03 | ByteMe1 | I'm actually still waiting here for some tech support on the graphics :P |
| 22:15.12 | gacyne | you might have a point when it comes to security but then again if you open the source wont that make the code easily exploitable since any hacker can look for vulnerabilities |
| 22:15.14 | petn-randall | checks the backlog. |
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| 22:15.46 | petn-randall | gacyne: Black hats have illegal methods to get to the source, if they want. |
| 22:16.12 | petn-randall | gacyne: But people with good intentions can search for bugs in open source software, too, and usually make sure the bugs get fixed. |
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| 22:17.51 | gacyne | you just have to relay on the white hats to be more skilled that black hats |
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| 22:18.49 | litb | hello all |
| 22:18.53 | gacyne | but i assume black hats have a higher pay grade |
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| 22:18.57 | litb | does debian natively support ARM? |
| 22:19.02 | grepwood | yes |
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| 22:19.33 | petn-randall | gacyne: As I said, if you're a black hat and don't abide the law, you have an edge over white hats in finding vulnerabilities. |
| 22:20.03 | gacyne | i was talking about already open source code |
| 22:20.05 | petn-randall | litb: Depending on which, but yeah. |
| 22:20.30 | litb | petn-randall, what about raspberry pi? |
| 22:20.46 | gacyne | so they would be on the same starting positions |
| 22:21.05 | petn-randall | litb: Unfortunately not, but there's raspbian, which is close to Debian, but not supported here. |
| 22:21.29 | ByteMe1 | gacyne: might I suggest you look up eben moglen on youtube? He's with the free software foundation and he has a couple of presentations on the need for software freedom, on free software vs gratis software vs open source. And Richard stallman is also important to know, although he might be considered an idealist/extremist. It's just interesting to know when you get into linux what all the fuss is about and you can find where you stand on the matter. |
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| 22:23.03 | gacyne | from a gammers prespective opening up the code might enable hacker to make better cheats and distring the fun of "honest" players |
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| 22:23.49 | jhutchins | gacyne: This is really a Software Philosophy issue, not a Debian Support question. This isn't an appropriate place to discuss it. |
| 22:23.55 | gacyne | i mean on online games |
| 22:24.15 | jhutchins | gacyne: I will say that there's plenty of materiel explaining the idea avaiable on the web. gnu.org, etc. |
| 22:24.28 | halothe23 | Test |
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| 22:25.02 | gacyne | they can just code a client side ai bot that wins every mach |
| 22:25.05 | halothe23 | System Information: Model: MacBook Pro (13-inch Mid-2012) |
| 22:25.12 | jhutchins | !ot |
| 22:25.13 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 22:25.28 | grepwood | I have another problem with Debian. Bash-completion doesn't work |
| 22:25.38 | mtn | one is bad enough :p |
| 22:25.43 | gacyne | ok i thru with the subject |
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| 22:27.06 | jhutchins | grepwood: Which release are you running? Which version of bash is installed? |
| 22:28.05 | grepwood | jhutchins, Debian 7.3.0, bash 4.2.37 |
| 22:28.07 | halothe23 | Good tutorials for learning all the tricks abour /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 22:28.09 | jhutchins | grepwood: What method did you use to install it? |
| 22:28.16 | grepwood | also I already told you what method |
| 22:28.24 | grepwood | http://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/OtherOS%2B%2B#Debian |
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| 22:30.15 | koell | halothe23: interesting |
| 22:30.22 | grepwood | tumbleweed |
| 22:30.47 | halothe23 | koell ? |
| 22:30.55 | grepwood | this is insane |
| 22:30.59 | grepwood | I have 2 xterms open |
| 22:31.05 | grepwood | and tab only switches between them |
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| 22:31.29 | grepwood | I need to ssh when I already have vnc? |
| 22:31.47 | jhutchins | grepwood: Yes. |
| 22:31.51 | grepwood | this is crazy |
| 22:32.00 | jhutchins | grepwood: which kernel did you get with that method? |
| 22:32.15 | grepwood | no kernel at all, gitbrew.org is down and dead |
| 22:32.25 | grepwood | I had to cannibalize a kernel from a very old isntallation of Fedora 12 |
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| 22:32.35 | mtn | heh |
| 22:32.41 | grepwood | which, if you would have read my pastebins, you would know |
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| 22:33.24 | jhutchins | grepwood: The problem is that what you're running deviates pretty significantly from the standard Debian installation we're used to. We can't tell what's normal and what's the reult of something going wrong. |
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| 22:33.47 | jhutchins | grepwood: I have not read your pastebins. I have a real job that I'm doing. |
| 22:33.58 | grepwood | then why did you request pastebins from me? |
| 22:34.05 | jhutchins | grepwood: You might find that the people in #debianppc know mor eabout what you have. |
| 22:34.05 | grepwood | if you didn't even read them |
| 22:34.07 | jhutchins | grepwood: I didn't. |
| 22:34.11 | ByteMe1 | babilen: what did you want me to pastebin to you again? |
| 22:34.18 | grepwood | oh wait, wols_ did |
| 22:34.19 | grepwood | sorry |
| 22:35.00 | jhutchins | grepwood: We're all just fellow users here, and most of us have something else going on, like real life or a job, so we can't necessarily follow all of your details over an extended period. |
| 22:35.47 | jhutchins | grepwood: I think there is a bash-completion package that you may need to install, but again, ppc packag structure may be different. |
| 22:35.47 | grepwood | yeah I know, I just thought the problems I have aren't too big for #debian veterans, like not working bash completion |
| 22:35.59 | grepwood | also bash-completion is installed |
| 22:36.09 | jhutchins | I really do need to do a debian install on my old powerbook. |
| 22:36.20 | jhutchins | OSX is no good on it any more. |
| 22:36.28 | grepwood | you bet |
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| 22:38.44 | grepwood | I'm just real confused because I installed Debian 6 the very same method 3 years ago |
| 22:38.49 | jhutchins | grepwood: Also, if you're using non-debian repos, we're really clueless about what you have on your machine. |
| 22:38.59 | grepwood | and it worked just fine |
| 22:39.00 | jhutchins | grepwood: Well, how long has it been since they made the ppc? |
| 22:39.20 | grepwood | jhutchins, I'm not using non-debian repos at all |
| 22:39.22 | jhutchins | grepwood: Maintainers are getting fewer and further between. |
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| 22:39.46 | grepwood | and it's been aeons since ppc was made and actually innovated |
| 22:39.51 | jhutchins | grepwood: See, and I don't even know why you wouldn't have a kernel from a debian repo. |
| 22:40.04 | grepwood | because it won't detect my hdd |
| 22:40.21 | jhutchins | grepwood: I think #debianppc is your best bet, or the mailing lists/forums. |
| 22:40.37 | grepwood | jhutchins, the ps3's hdd has to be divided into regions when you first install a sony firmware |
| 22:40.44 | grepwood | so that you have spare space for linux/bsd |
| 22:40.45 | raboof | kind of funny to receive a hardware device and find a copy of the GPL enclosed |
| 22:40.51 | grepwood | and then you don't wipe gameos |
| 22:40.53 | jhutchins | !ps3 |
| 22:40.54 | dpkg | The PlayStation 3 is a video game console, featuring a Blu-ray drive and storage capacities of up to 250GB. It utilizes the cell processor, based on ppc64 with eight vector processing units. You may easily try and/or install Debian with <debootstrap>, installing Linux is disabled on the PS3 slim (PS3 CECH-2000). http://wiki.debian.org/PS3 #debian-ps3 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:41.03 | raboof | including the complete 'how to apply these terms to your new programs' section :) |
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| 22:41.23 | jhutchins | grepwood: Better yet, debian-ps3 on oftc. |
| 22:41.33 | BenNZ | hi after doing an update in debian testing grub2 fails to install i get http://dpaste.com/1553509/ does anyone know what could be wrong or how to fix it? |
| 22:41.34 | grepwood | alright, thank you |
| 22:41.40 | jhutchins | grepwood: Good luck! |
| 22:41.48 | grepwood | and you too, with whatever you are doing |
| 22:42.59 | grepwood | jhutchins, #debian-ps3 on OFTC is empty |
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| 22:43.11 | grepwood | it gave me opers there when I joined so it must've been dead for a while |
| 22:43.45 | koell | Im looking for a note taking application like xpad but in terminal. |
| 22:44.05 | raboof | koell: vim? :) |
| 22:44.15 | jhutchins | grepwood: On oftc.net? |
| 22:44.34 | koell | raboof: im already into vim. but i thought more of an ncurses based app :) |
| 22:44.36 | grepwood | yes, on oftc.net |
| 22:46.24 | jhutchins | koell: there's gvim |
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| 22:47.31 | koell | jhutchins: raboof so u guys compare a lighweigt app like xpad with vim? :) |
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| 22:48.46 | DeepBlue | ظىهؤن مهىعءشفخق |
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| 22:57.16 | anonnumberanon | trying to install my wireless adapter in HP mini 1000 Debian 7 no X. |
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| 22:59.25 | centrx | anonnumberanon, And then? |
| 22:59.34 | anonnumberanon | nothing |
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| 22:59.38 | anonnumberanon | :) |
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| 23:01.31 | ByteMe1 | how stable is jessie? |
| 23:02.29 | jhutchins | ByteMe1: Not. |
| 23:02.39 | jhutchins | ByteMe1: Stable is wheezy. |
| 23:02.39 | dudester | ByteMe1: what's jessie? testing or unstable? |
| 23:02.51 | ByteMe1 | testing |
| 23:02.56 | dudester | ah alright |
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| 23:03.10 | dudester | ByteMe1: usually you can use testing if you are careful about what you update and when you update |
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| 23:03.26 | ByteMe1 | it's just that I heard debian is quite cautious with releases |
| 23:03.37 | dudester | ByteMe1: you only heard? |
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| 23:03.49 | dudester | ByteMe1: it's the very truth :) |
| 23:04.08 | dudester | ByteMe1: it's the secret of debian's success |
| 23:04.40 | ByteMe1 | I'm just wondering what the actual danger would be and if it would help me with my anal pains due to switchable graphics |
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| 23:08.12 | gacyne | thats just intel playing hardball with AMD |
| 23:08.18 | gacyne | IMO |
| 23:08.54 | jhutchins | ByteMe1: I don't think jessie is any better with bumblebee. THe upstream hasn't got it solved yet. |
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| 23:09.20 | jhutchins | gacyne: No, they work together on it, but they haven't beeen very supportive of linux for it. |
| 23:09.44 | gacyne | that stuff dosent even work right on windows |
| 23:09.45 | abrotman | ByteMe1: Have you just installed Debian? |
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| 23:10.21 | gacyne | lots of people had hardresets using that type of stuff |
| 23:11.10 | gacyne | the cpu and the gfx cards working at full speed can even boil egs |
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| 23:18.32 | abrotman | judd: info wine32 --arch amd64 |
| 23:18.33 | judd | No package named 'wine32' was found in wheezy/amd64. |
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| 23:18.49 | abrotman | ruukasu: only in unstable currently |
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| 23:19.04 | ruukasu | abrotman, I'm on unstable |
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| 23:19.28 | ruukasu | (some testing packages for some reason, but I only have sid in /etc/apt/sources.list) |
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| 23:20.20 | abrotman | ruukasu: jessie/sid aren't the same thing .. |
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| 23:20.43 | abrotman | ruukasu: dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 23:20.52 | ruukasu | aboman, I've amd64 |
| 23:20.57 | ruukasu | er |
| 23:21.01 | abrotman | ruukasu: aptitude install wine |
| 23:21.01 | ruukasu | yes amd64 |
| 23:21.17 | ruukasu | it's installed, tells me to install wine32 when I run |
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| 23:21.29 | ruukasu | since upgrading to unstable I keep getting this, could it be related? |
| 23:21.29 | ruukasu | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/sid/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 128.101.240.212 80] |
| 23:21.35 | abrotman | ruukasu: did you setup multiarch ? |
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| 23:21.46 | abrotman | there are no security updates for sid .. wtf |
| 23:21.47 | ruukasu | no, just --add-architecture i386? |
| 23:21.53 | ruukasu | ah |
| 23:21.57 | ruukasu | makes sense |
| 23:21.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ruukasu about multiarch |
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| 23:25.20 | nonconvergent | having trouble with my microphone |
| 23:25.37 | ruukasu | is there an option to force installs to override this "Depends: x but it is not going to be installed" nonsense? |
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| 23:26.06 | centrx | ruukasu, How is that nonsense? |
| 23:26.11 | nonconvergent | It keeps increasing Mic Boost. I'll push it down but then it auto increases. |
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| 23:26.28 | centrx | ruukasu, I get the impression you are going to break your system somehow |
| 23:26.51 | ruukasu | centrx, because if a depends b but won't be installed, b depends c, etc, all the way down to g, I can install g, then f, then e, then d, etc, all the way back to a, but I have to do it manually |
| 23:27.18 | centrx | You can install them all on the same command-line right?" |
| 23:27.30 | centrx | Usually that message means something is or would be broken |
| 23:27.49 | centrx | Which you might expect in unstable |
| 23:27.56 | ruukasu | I get it whenever I do multiarch, even in stable |
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| 23:28.42 | mtn | ruukasu: did you read what dpkg gave you about multiarch? |
| 23:28.50 | abrotman | ruukasu: yes, there is, but don't do it |
| 23:28.58 | abrotman | ruukasu: please use a pastebin, or use aptitude |
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| 23:29.48 | ruukasu | mtn, it never said anything but I've done multiarch lots of times |
| 23:29.53 | ruukasu | abrotman, pastebin for what? |
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| 23:30.38 | abrotman | whatever problem you're trying to solve |
| 23:31.59 | ruukasu | I forgot I needed to multiarch for wine, now it's just an inconvenience having to install dependencies manually, but I'm currently installing libwine:i386 which I believe is the last dependency for wine32 |
| 23:32.22 | ruukasu | yep, wine32 installed |
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| 23:36.25 | gacyne | success |
| 23:36.57 | gacyne | so now you can run mirk |
| 23:38.01 | abrotman | I can? |
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| 23:38.52 | reavengrey | thanks man |
| 23:40.51 | _marshall | is cuda toolkit5.5 all i need to use the GPU? |
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| 23:41.16 | gacyne | heretic |
| 23:41.24 | abrotman | gacyne: do you need help? |
| 23:41.40 | gacyne | nop i was just on the way out |
| 23:42.20 | abrotman | gacyne: thanks, bye |
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| 23:42.53 | gacyne | you are wellcome |
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| 23:46.36 | str3 | is there a way to set an upper limit for cpu frequency scaling? |
| 23:46.47 | str3 | ie max 50% on battery |
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| 23:50.14 | anonnumberanon | I'm at root and ls is not working so I can't explore the file system. |
| 23:50.48 | abrotman | anonnumberanon: echo * |
| 23:50.49 | anonnumberanon | ls works only when you have X? |
| 23:51.20 | abrotman | no |
| 23:51.23 | abrotman | I didn't say that |
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| 23:52.28 | anonnumberanon | This was not in response to you saying "anonnumberanon: echo *" |
| 23:52.31 | anonnumberanon | . |
| 23:52.38 | abrotman | that's in response to 'ls is not working' |
| 23:52.58 | anonnumberanon | I figured. |
| 23:53.10 | mojzesz | hi all i have problem with debian with gnome when i type "startx" i have only "out of frequency" message can anybody help me with this? |
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| 23:54.02 | anonnumberanon | I have to echo ls to a new file, open that file and read it then? |
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| 23:54.30 | abrotman | uhm .. that's not what I said ... |
| 23:54.53 | anonnumberanon | What language are you using? |
| 23:55.50 | Okee | I am encountering problems reading attached pdfs in the icedove mail program. The pdf is nothing more than a bunch of computer code; supposedly it is stored in a temporary file when read. Also, files not stored in a temporary file have large random black squares, that are obstructing the viewing document. The same document has no problem when read in a a windows pdf reader. Is this a new bug? Are there alternative pdf readers I may use? |
| 23:56.26 | themill | Okee: there are lots of PDF readers you can use -- what one are you currently using? |
| 23:56.45 | themill | (perhaps you can show us a screenshot -- picpaste.com) |
| 23:56.50 | Okee | I am not sure. How do I find out? |
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| 23:57.59 | centrx | Okee, What is the title of the window? |
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| 23:59.21 | Okee | centrx> Not sure what you mean by title. The file name, which is displayed at the top of the PDF is October 11, 2013.pdf |
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