| 00:00.13 | centrx | Isn't there a menu item for "Help -> About" or something... |
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| 00:00.53 | themill | Okee: is this embedded within icedove or a separate application? |
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| 00:01.26 | Arrowmaster | a screenshot is probably going to be the most helpful way to figure this out |
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| 00:01.59 | Okee | themill> I think it is a separate application. |
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| 00:03.36 | anonnumberanon | I don't understand this part of the topic: (/msg dpkg 7.3) and (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 00:04.04 | themill | anonnumberanon: there's a bot called dpkg, you can send it messages |
| 00:04.23 | themill | dpkg, say hello |
| 00:04.23 | dpkg | hello |
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| 00:07.12 | anonnumberanon | Okay let's try something. |
| 00:09.37 | centrx | dpkg, say I am a robot |
| 00:09.37 | dpkg | I am a robot |
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| 00:11.15 | pnbeast | dpkg, say Wait a minute! No, centrx is a robot! What was I thinking? |
| 00:11.15 | dpkg | Wait a minute! No, centrx is a robot! What was I thinking |
| 00:12.15 | abrotman | Please leave the bot alone .. |
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| 00:14.27 | anonnumberanon | Oh dpkg bot just gives you information, I was led to think it would format the paste I sent to it. |
| 00:14.43 | anonnumberanon | Okay so if I'm thinking clearly, there: http://paste.debian.net/76515/ |
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| 00:19.34 | centrx | anonnumberanon, Did you consider that the directory is empty? |
| 00:19.58 | anonnumberanon | yes centrx |
| 00:20.28 | abrotman | anonnumberanon: ls -al |
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| 00:22.16 | anonnumberanon | This brings me to a question I should have asked the first time I ever used the command line: what is /root? |
| 00:22.33 | centrx | It is the home directory of the root user |
| 00:22.47 | anonnumberanon | I see. |
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| 00:26.23 | centrx | anonnumberanon, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#ROOTHOMEDIRECTORYFORTHEROOTUSER |
| 00:27.24 | anonnumberanon | nice ty' |
| 00:27.40 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: Traditionally a seperate part of the filesystem from the regular /home so that root can operate without a fully mounted system. |
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| 00:31.31 | gacyneAFK | im still waiting for a distro were you can name root whatever you like |
| 00:32.03 | wsky | gacyneAFK: what for? |
| 00:32.43 | gacyneAFK | freedom |
| 00:32.55 | abrotman | gacyneAFK: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 00:33.16 | gacyneAFK | not right now but im glad you asked |
| 00:33.17 | jhutchins | gacyneAFK: Might want to study linux administration while you wait. |
| 00:33.25 | abrotman | gacyneAFK: then pleaes be quiet |
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| 00:33.31 | abrotman | please |
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| 00:37.21 | centrx | gacyneAFK, There is also #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:40.26 | anonnumberanon | does deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free also contain the elements of deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main ? |
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| 00:40.44 | centrx | anonnumberanon, Yes |
| 00:40.45 | anonnumberanon | Sorry for lack of quote marks. |
| 00:41.16 | themill | anonnumberanon: sources.list(5) explains the different parts of that line |
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| 00:43.39 | anonnumberanon | sources.list(5) for me, is this: "deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" |
| 00:43.55 | anonnumberanon | Is that what you meant the mill? |
| 00:44.04 | anonnumberanon | themill |
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| 00:46.02 | ChibaPet | anonnumberanon: "man sources.list" |
| 00:46.12 | ChibaPet | anonnumberanon: The (5) means it's in section five of the manual. |
| 00:46.24 | ChibaPet | anonnumberanon: It's a hint that there's documentation available. |
| 00:46.52 | anonnumberanon | T.Hanks. |
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| 00:47.41 | anonnumberanon | I'm starting to think this is the reason why I have been getting something of the sort of "duplicate sources.list entry" while using APT. |
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| 01:15.48 | gacyneAFK | its been 15m now |
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| 01:19.51 | Che-Anarch | I have multi IP's - I've set iface, address, gateway & netmask - but I cant seem to get network setup.... |
| 01:19.59 | Che-Anarch | worked in windows... do I need to do something more here? |
| 01:20.08 | abrotman | Che-Anarch: you'll have to show us your interfaces file |
| 01:21.07 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: Can you put it up via paste.debian.net please? Edit as needed for any sensitive information you don't want to be public. |
| 01:21.51 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet & abrotman: http://pastebin.com/3w0Ae1zb |
| 01:22.31 | abrotman | Che-Anarch: that's only one IP .. |
| 01:22.38 | Che-Anarch | I have 20 IP's - just want to allocate 1 |
| 01:22.46 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: With that in place, you know about ifup and ifdown, yes? |
| 01:23.05 | abrotman | Che-Anarch: what? |
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| 01:24.15 | abrotman | Che-Anarch: How many IPs do you want to assign? That interfaces file is only assigning one |
| 01:24.18 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: Also, assuming you just have the one NIC you want to host these, you want to make sure you're comfortable with interface aliases. "man interfaces" and look at "man ifconfig" for the interface alias naming rules. |
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| 01:25.00 | Che-Anarch | I have 20 coming in from unmanaged switch I just need 1 IP assigned / used by machine - its temporary till firewall is installed |
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| 01:25.23 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: Well. What's the issue you're having? |
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| 01:25.55 | ChibaPet | Do you get an error from "ifup eth0" ? |
| 01:26.18 | ChibaPet | Or you're just not passing traffic? If that's the case, can you ping your gateway? We can't see what its address is there, but it's a good direct step. |
| 01:26.22 | Che-Anarch | I've know a little with network - mostly done NAT... right now my configuration as per what I did in Windows (with mask, ip, gateway, etc) is not connecting - & there is an active link on the line |
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| 01:26.43 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet good call let me try that |
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| 01:27.56 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet what would the broadcast be in my case? I have 2 load balancers on x.x.x.98 / 99 - 100 + is whats usable |
| 01:28.55 | Che-Anarch | Somehow I now have .127 as broadcast - even though I did not set / specify this. |
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| 01:30.06 | Che-Anarch | My full range: 60.x.x.x/27 <--- I'm not sure what to do with this |
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| 01:30.15 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: What's the CIDR for the range? Broadcase is generally going to end in 255 for a /24. |
| 01:30.19 | ChibaPet | oh |
| 01:30.33 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: http://www.subnet-calculator.com/cidr.php |
| 01:30.38 | Che-Anarch | mask in my case 255.255.255.224 |
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| 01:31.29 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet do I run that on cli? |
| 01:31.35 | Che-Anarch | ip route.... |
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| 01:32.00 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: No, it's just a web tool. It's my favourite for CIDR calculations. |
| 01:32.43 | ChibaPet | So, you shouldn't have to worry about your broadcast address if you've set your address and netmask properly. ifdown eth0, make corrections, ifup eth0. Once you've done that, can you ping your gateway? |
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| 01:34.16 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet hmmm ifdown eth0 says "eth0 not configured" |
| 01:34.47 | ChibaPet | kk, then follow it with "ifup eth0" |
| 01:35.36 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet - RTNetlink answers: File Exists \n Failed to bring up eth0 |
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| 01:36.08 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: You don't have NetworkManager running, do you? |
| 01:36.30 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet I can ping the gateway yes! |
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| 01:36.47 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet I did /etc/init.d/network-manager restart |
| 01:36.53 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: We might not be out of the woods just yet. Do you have NetworkManager running? It might be that it started up........... ah. |
| 01:37.10 | ChibaPet | So, NetworkManager is a different way to manage your networks and doesn't work with /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 01:37.32 | Che-Anarch | Wont forget that now :-D |
| 01:37.40 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
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| 01:38.14 | ChibaPet | If you reboot, you'll have a bad time with NetworkManager as it will ignore interfaces directly configured in /etc/network/interfaces. You want to pick which way you're going to manage your network and stick with it probably. |
| 01:38.51 | ChibaPet | If you restarted it after making changes to /etc/network/interfaces then it likely saw eth0 being managed manually and decided to ignore it. |
| 01:38.56 | Che-Anarch | I want to manage with /etc/network/interfaces - but this machine has debian wheezy - will it conflict with anything therein? |
| 01:39.10 | ChibaPet | No, that's a perfectly good way to do it. |
| 01:39.10 | Che-Anarch | like gnome, etc |
| 01:39.23 | Che-Anarch | cool - its the old way I am use to a bit... |
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| 01:39.53 | ChibaPet | I'd suggesting perhaps getting rid of NetworkManager. At the very least, remember that it's going to have specific interactions with your system. You might at some point want to use it instead, but it's worth learning more about it. |
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| 01:40.00 | Che-Anarch | so what should I do now? - ping from gw is fine - but ping to outside is not working - wondering its my network - somehow |
| 01:40.35 | ChibaPet | If you can ping your gateway, then make sure it's set as your default route. It's likely networkmanager set an incorrect default route for you. Possible anyway. |
| 01:40.42 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet apt-get remove networkmanager? |
| 01:40.45 | ChibaPet | say: route -n |
| 01:41.37 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: There could be things that depend on it that would make that tricky. It might be possible to cleanly say "aptitude remove network-manager network-manager-gnome" but be careful. :) |
| 01:41.44 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet - has 0.0.0.0 as gw even though I specified it. |
| 01:41.56 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: I'm betting NetworkManager did that. |
| 01:42.25 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: "man route", nuke the bad default route, and ifdown/ifup again. "route -n" to check |
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| 01:45.32 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: AFK briefly, but I'll be back if you have more questions. |
| 01:46.06 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet aptitude remove - it says... Removing the following packages: 1) gnome Leave the following dependencies unresolved: 2) gnome-core recommnds netowkr-manager-gnome 3) task-gnome-desktop recommends gnome... |
| 01:46.16 | Che-Anarch | Shall I ok? |
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| 01:51.42 | asterismo | hi |
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| 01:51.59 | asterismo | does anyone managed to run Debian in Sony VAIO P series laptop? |
| 01:52.00 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: I would do that myself. You'll still see updates to installed packages. If the gnome metapackage were to require something new, you wouldn't see that, but that's fairly unlikely during a stable period. Your next cross-release upgrade might be less happy about it. Another possibility would be ensuring that network-manager doesn't start. "man update-rc.d" to look at that option. |
| 01:52.17 | asterismo | that is the one pocket size VAIO |
| 01:52.23 | ChibaPet | asterismo: It's better to ask specific questions, unless you're looking to buy one and want to know if it's viable. |
| 01:52.30 | ChibaPet | Or VAIOable in this case. |
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| 01:53.04 | asterismo | i just wanted to know if debian can be installed in this vaio pocket |
| 01:53.26 | asterismo | because i'm considering buying on... but i wont buy something in where i cannot install anything |
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| 01:55.59 | Che-Anarch | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.58 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet - ifdown eth0 - says interface eth0 not configured - why though ? |
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| 01:59.36 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet - route -n is the same - I am thinking there might be something wrong with the net configuration. |
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| 02:01.14 | ChibaPet | Hi, sorry, work thing came up. Back and reading. |
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| 02:02.26 | rjsalts | tensorpudding: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 02:02.43 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet - I can see in the boot process - probably in dmseg too - where it says: \RTNetlink ... Failed to bring up eth0 |
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| 02:02.56 | tensorpudding | rjsalts: That looks cool but it only goes up to squeeze. |
| 02:02.57 | rjsalts | tensorpudding: bugger, looks like he hasn't done anything for wheezy |
| 02:03.04 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: If it's saying it's not configured, I'd tend to trust it. As for the gateway, it looked like you had the directive right. |
| 02:04.13 | guest442 | Hi I need help with a cosmetic issue. I'm on Jessie since yesterday. I have a volume mouse wheel on my keyboard that works in Gnome Shell but does not work in Xfce. Can someone help me? |
| 02:04.32 | guest442 | volume wheel* |
| 02:05.19 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: Your "route -n" ought to show a destination of 0.0.0.0 with a gateway of what you set, going out eth0. |
| 02:05.37 | anonnumberanon | http://paste.debian.net/76526/ |
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| 02:07.54 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet - sorry my bad - i realised I hadnt remved it correctly (case sensative network-manager no Net....) - still the same though :-( |
| 02:08.20 | ChibaPet | Can you pastebin the output of your 'route -n'? |
| 02:10.19 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet Destination: 60.x.x.x Gateway: 0.0.0.0 Genmask: 255.255.255.224 Flags: U Metric: 0 Ref: 0 Use: 0 Iface: eth0 |
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| 02:11.13 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: Yeah, that's missing your default route. |
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| 02:11.35 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: The line that's there is fine. It's saying what to do with traffic for your own subnet and it seems to be set correctly from what you said. |
| 02:11.39 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet - I recon its logical / physical beyond my control. |
| 02:11.57 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: No, you're missing a route. You can try adding it in manually... |
| 02:12.23 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet - route for the IP? - what route - just trying to be clear in my understanding. |
| 02:12.30 | ChibaPet | "route add default gw 60.x.x.x" |
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| 02:13.28 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: The route you've got will send traffic out that interface for your batch of 30 addresses in your /27 block. For anything outside of it, it'll direct it to a machine that is your gateway. The default route says what that is, and can be set like the line I just typed in. |
| 02:14.14 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet restart something after? |
| 02:14.32 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: Nah, just see if it's there and try it. You want to bake it into your config if it works. |
| 02:14.32 | Che-Anarch | I added it.... route. |
| 02:14.45 | ChibaPet | Can you pastebin your output from "route -n" please? |
| 02:14.45 | Deesl | okay I am stuck with a IBM bladecenter Chassis with a storage module which I believe I have configured properly. However, there are no devices showing up in the /dev filesystem. I am assuming they should show up as sdX. I can find a few tutorials on setting up multipath storage. But that is not what I am trying to do. What should the devices show up as? |
| 02:14.46 | Che-Anarch | No change still same |
| 02:14.59 | Che-Anarch | Oh wait |
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| 02:15.24 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: Always start by pinging your gateway itself, and then pinging, say, 4.2.2.1. |
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| 02:15.54 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: Also, ping -n someaddress until you're sure your DNS is working, otherwise you can hang up on a DNS server being unavailable. |
| 02:15.59 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet its strange now I have 2 entries... eth0 the > route add - we just did has added it to Destination 0.0.0.0 |
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| 02:16.27 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: That's not strange. You should have two. One describes talking to your local neighbors, and one is how to talk to things further away. |
| 02:16.39 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet only differance from last out is that this has flag: UG and no other gemask or anything |
| 02:17.25 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet woooohoooo! it works man! |
| 02:17.30 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet I think I love you :-D |
| 02:17.40 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: Here's an example: http://paste.debian.net/76528/ |
| 02:17.40 | Deesl | should a direct attached storage configured similar to a fibre channel storage? |
| 02:17.42 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet ok how to write changes to conf? |
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| 02:18.23 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet I can ping 8.8.8.8 now - no DNS still |
| 02:18.24 | ChibaPet | Deesl: I'm unfamiliar or I'd help - I'm hoping someone else has experience. Repeat your question every once in a while until someone comes on that can help. Note that European folks are asleep at this point, so it might not generate answers until the morning. |
| 02:18.42 | Deesl | ChibaPet: thanks |
| 02:19.11 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: It looked much like your config was correct. "man interfaces" and make sure your format is right. |
| 02:20.32 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet - so do I need to note permenant change / save.... route add default gw ? |
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| 02:20.50 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: Here's a made-up example of correct syntax in an /etc/network/interfaces file: http://paste.debian.net/76530/ |
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| 02:21.26 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: Write down the syntax so you remember it, but the "gateway foo" syntax in the interfaces file ought to do that for you correctly. |
| 02:21.28 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet I also put in the /etc/network/interfaces : dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 - which does not seem to have takenb effect. |
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| 02:22.16 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: You want to edit /etc/resolv.conf to set name servers. |
| 02:22.49 | ChibaPet | Che-Anarch: dns-nameservers sounds like a corruption of dhclient config syntax. |
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| 02:23.43 | tensorpudding | Where is it that you can get the latest kernel in stable? |
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| 02:24.17 | dvs | dpkg: tell tensorpudding about bpo kernel |
| 02:24.21 | ChibaPet | tensorpudding: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy-backports&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image |
| 02:25.40 | ChibaPet | Hm, are there no amd64 kernels there? |
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| 02:26.25 | ChibaPet | Anyway, Che-Anarch, good luck. I've got to take off and go home. |
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| 02:34.22 | Che-Anarch | ChibaPet - thanks man - you take bitcoins? |
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| 02:35.50 | abrotman | Che-Anarch: he said, he went home |
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| 02:41.05 | guest442 | i fixed my volume wheel issue by adding xfce4-volumed to startup session. |
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| 02:52.39 | stokachu | im trying to convert a python 3 package using pybuild but I am unable to find any documentation on private modules with pybuild |
| 02:52.50 | stokachu | anyone have any links to an example rules file |
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| 03:00.54 | BenNZ | hi , im using debian testing , after doing an upgrade grub2 fails to install properly i get this error http://dpaste.com/1553509/ , anyone know what could be wrong or how to fix it? |
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| 03:01.54 | slidesinger-ss | The boxes I upgraded had no issues, I guess because of the lack of dependencies, but I just did a new install (laptop) and noticed that xlockmore is no longer available. I use it to lock the console and blank the screen when I leave my computer. Does anyone know of a suitable replacement? |
| 03:02.34 | slidesinger-ss | xlockmore is no longer available (in the repository) |
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| 03:10.50 | jclw | slidesinger-ss: -> xscreensaver |
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| 03:17.31 | slidesinger-ss | If xscreensaver is the best option, I guess I'll compile from source. Disk space is at a premium (20 GB HDD) so I don't want to waste it on stuff I will never use. |
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| 03:43.53 | foul_owl | I recently had wicd-gtk hang. I tried issuing a sudo kill <PID> to it, but the kill hung. I was then unable to issue any kill at all without it hanging. Is this behavior indicative of a hardware problem? |
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| 03:44.43 | centrx | foul_owl, Did you use kill -9 |
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| 03:45.05 | abrotman | It's prbably a zombie now |
| 03:45.07 | foul_owl | I tried a "kill" without -9, then I tried a "-9" after that. Same behavior each time |
| 03:45.35 | foul_owl | I was unable to issue a "sudo shutdown -r now" either |
| 03:45.43 | foul_owl | I had to reboot with the REISUB trick |
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| 03:46.10 | abrotman | So what's the problem now ? |
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| 03:46.45 | foul_owl | I am concerned that this is a hardware problem |
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| 03:46.58 | foul_owl | As I have never seen this behavior before |
| 03:47.22 | iateadonut | say i've got a fairly slow laptop and a very fast desktop. the desktop has no monitor and i want to load a GUI program on the desktop but the GUI show up on my laptop screen. |
| 03:47.41 | iateadonut | i can do that with ssh -X, but i'm wondering if there's a faster way, maybe something that doesn't encrypt the tunnel? |
| 03:47.51 | abrotman | iateadonut: remote X? |
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| 03:48.09 | abrotman | foul_owl: look in your logs for errors |
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| 03:48.34 | foul_owl | anything besides dmesg? |
| 03:48.39 | iateadonut | abrotman, apt-cache search what? |
| 03:48.45 | abrotman | foul_owl: syslog and messages |
| 03:49.06 | foul_owl | Thanks! I'll do that |
| 03:49.07 | abrotman | iateadonut: what's wrong with ssh -X ? |
| 03:49.18 | iateadonut | seems pretty slow |
| 03:49.33 | iateadonut | i just opened openscad that way and it is not very responsive |
| 03:49.39 | abrotman | iateadonut: you may be interested in -Y ? |
| 03:49.43 | iateadonut | (maybe i'm using too much of that CPU |
| 03:49.49 | iateadonut | ok. i'll check it out, thanks. |
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| 03:57.10 | iateadonut | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/speeding-up-ssh-x11-forwarding-with-unix-osx-linux-bsd/ |
| 03:57.12 | iateadonut | that did it for me |
| 03:57.15 | iateadonut | changing the cypher |
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| 03:58.43 | iateadonut | i was trying to do it without encryption at all since i'm on a local network |
| 03:58.50 | iateadonut | but that seems to be really fast. |
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| 04:00.26 | iateadonut | neat |
| 04:01.13 | iateadonut | another question, my /etc/hosts has two different names for the same server; when i'm on my LAN, then i ping 'iatemyserver', when i am outside my LAN/home, then i ping 'home' |
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| 04:01.15 | abrotman | iateadonut: I thought -Y removed all encryption? |
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| 04:01.33 | iateadonut | abrotman, i'll have to check it out. it seemed slow still. |
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| 04:02.18 | iateadonut | for my hosts, thing, if i want to rsync certain directories on a cron that runs every hour, how can i direct it to 'iatemyserver' when i am within the LAN and 'home' when i am outside my home? |
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| 04:03.13 | iateadonut | abrotman, just checked again - changing the cipher is much faster than using -Y; maybe there is a problem with my configuration |
| 04:03.45 | tensorpudding | I installed a .11 kernel using wheezy-backports, but I can't install the linux-headers package that corresponds to it... |
| 04:03.57 | tensorpudding | This is a right mess. |
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| 04:05.13 | dvs | Why can't you install the headers? |
| 04:05.29 | tensorpudding | It claims that linux-kbuild-.11 has no installation candidate. |
| 04:05.51 | tensorpudding | Please excuse the fact that the three key doesn't work on the keyboard I'm typing on, by the way. |
| 04:06.17 | abrotman | iateadonut: okay, as long as it works |
| 04:06.51 | iateadonut | indeed, especially since i think this may speed up my connections to work servers using this cipher; that will be really useful. |
| 04:07.24 | iateadonut | i actually can't wait to check the responsiveness of some X programs while i'm outside my home; that'll be interesting |
| 04:08.01 | iateadonut | neat! i wish someone else was as thrilled as i am about this. |
| 04:08.13 | iateadonut | i'll wake my wife up and see what she thinks ;) |
| 04:09.41 | tensorpudding | I think I'm also going to need to find a way to get a version of catalyst from unstable as well. |
| 04:11.28 | tensorpudding | The version in wheezy-backports is too old. |
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| 04:12.36 | tensorpudding | What the hell is linux-kbuild anyway? |
| 04:12.56 | abrotman | it has a package description |
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| 04:13.14 | iateadonut | -Y Enables trusted X11 forwarding. Trusted X11 forwardings are not subjected to the X11 SECURITY extension controls. - not really sure what that means. |
| 04:13.57 | tensorpudding | Oh, annoying, there's only a linux-kbuild for .12 |
| 04:15.07 | abrotman | that's the veresion in testing and unsatble .. |
| 04:15.48 | iateadonut | does sshfs check my ssh config file - will this cipher that way speed up sshfs? |
| 04:16.24 | tensorpudding | I don't know why installing linux-image from wheezy-backports picked one with no linux-headers package installable, instead of that one then. |
| 04:17.22 | tensorpudding | Is there an outside repo that backports new versions of fglrx-driver to wheezy? |
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| 04:18.54 | iateadonut | i guess it must since it looks there to find keys. |
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| 04:28.19 | AlexLikeRock | i need remove "mini browser" ? from KDE gadget |
| 04:28.37 | AlexLikeRock | J/ #kde |
| 04:30.03 | AlexLikeRock | fail : Cashew > Add Widget > Get new Widgets > Sort by: Installed > (EMPY-ERROR - ) > Uninstall |
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| 04:42.06 | anonnumberanon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:43.24 | AimHere | Most of these gui admin tools just run the command line anyways, so the main difference is that you feel more l33t if you go with the CLI version ;) |
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| 04:44.39 | anonnumberanon | wpa_supplicant is gui then? |
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| 04:46.40 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 04:46.52 | ShapeShifter499 | how do I copy and paste in an out of nano? |
| 04:47.16 | anonnumberanon | wpa_supplicant has both gui and non-gui, I will not use it. |
| 04:47.23 | Sparkie | I didn't install drivers for network when i was installing debian. any way to do this after install as i cant connect to the internet now? |
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| 04:47.45 | anonnumberanon | I will use command line but I am not finding a way to find out whether or not my security is wpa-psk |
| 04:48.18 | guest442 | ShapeShifter499: you have to highlight the text right click on mouse then select copy. then to paste into nano select text same way go down to your line where you want to paste, right click mouse again and select paste. |
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| 04:48.54 | ShapeShifter499 | guest442, what about off screen lines? |
| 04:48.58 | PryMar56 | ShapeShifter499, `paste in` is <shift>-<insert> |
| 04:49.12 | anonnumberanon | Sparkie I think you would have to add your usb storage to the sources.list that way when you use apt to install the driver, it would find it but this is just my imagination don't follow my advice. |
| 04:49.12 | themill | anonnumberanon: "iwlist scan" will tell you. |
| 04:49.30 | guest442 | ShapeShifter499: same way. |
| 04:49.31 | ShapeShifter499 | PryMar56, I'm trying to copy out |
| 04:49.48 | anonnumberanon | themill the output is very large I guess I'll just learn to put it in a file I can open witn nano. |
| 04:50.00 | themill | anonnumberanon: iwlist scan | less |
| 04:50.38 | Sparkie | anonnumberanon i installed from cd. Is this what you are getting at? |
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| 04:51.13 | anonnumberanon | No I mean go to another computer and download the driver, put it on a storage and connect that storage to the target computer. |
| 04:51.18 | Sparkie | oh ok |
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| 04:51.44 | Sparkie | how can i find driver name and the linux driver anonnumberanon? |
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| 04:53.23 | ShapeShifter499 | guest442, PryMar56 when I try to copy text that is longer than the terminal window I get a $ marking where the visible text ends |
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| 04:53.51 | anonnumberanon | Sparkie I guess find your wireless card manufacturer from this list: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver |
| 04:54.32 | anonnumberanon | To find the name of your wireless card use the command 'lspci' |
| 04:54.48 | guest442 | ShapeShifter499: maximize your terminal window and go back into script you are trying to edit w nano. then try again. |
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| 04:55.15 | Sparkie | ok thank you very much |
| 04:55.16 | ShapeShifter499 | guest442, I cannot make the terminal window big enough |
| 04:55.38 | guest442 | type clear and start over |
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| 05:26.07 | Radon_3 | hi everyone, is someone willing to help me wiht my screen resolution? |
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| 05:27.23 | Radon_3 | Deeps? |
| 05:31.07 | Radon_3 | can someone help me please? |
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| 05:31.24 | Radon_3 | i'm frustrated :( |
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| 05:37.05 | Radon_3 | yesterday, with the help of this channel, I successfully installed my nvidia driver, I also set the extra options mentioned in the documentation on the debian wiki site, the problem is that I can't get a screen resolution higher than |
| 05:37.11 | Radon_3 | 480x600 |
| 05:37.19 | Radon_3 | what should I do? |
| 05:37.26 | Radon_3 | any suggestions would do |
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| 05:38.34 | Radon_3 | * 640x480 |
| 05:38.53 | jarkko_ | dont know about debian |
| 05:38.57 | jarkko_ | but |
| 05:39.04 | jarkko_ | xrandr -s 1920x1080 worsk on ati kubuntu |
| 05:39.09 | jarkko_ | works |
| 05:39.18 | jarkko_ | on console |
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| 05:40.05 | Radon_3 | it says : Size 1920x1080 not found in available modes in debian |
| 05:40.22 | Radon_3 | :( |
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| 05:40.52 | Radon_3 | xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1024x768 -> this one says: |
| 05:41.00 | Radon_3 | xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
| 05:41.01 | Radon_3 | warning: output LVDS not found; ignoring |
| 05:41.10 | Radon_3 | ;( |
| 05:42.15 | jarkko_ | have you used that xrandr before? |
| 05:42.30 | Radon_3 | how do you mean jarkko_? |
| 05:43.32 | guest442 | Radon_3: what happens when you run nvidia-settings as root? |
| 05:43.55 | Radon_3 | how can I do that guest442? |
| 05:44.42 | guest442 | open terminal and type su |
| 05:44.50 | guest442 | then type the root password. |
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| 05:45.07 | guest442 | once you have this prompt # then you are using root. |
| 05:45.09 | Radon_3 | ok, did that |
| 05:45.15 | guest442 | type nvidia-settings |
| 05:45.20 | guest442 | then hit enter. |
| 05:45.20 | Radon_3 | right now, and nothing special |
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| 05:45.29 | guest442 | do you get the nvidia settings gui? |
| 05:45.31 | Lady_Aleena | I am losing it. There are times when my computer goes bonkers. A few moments ago, My keyboard quit functioning and when I clicked my mouse in a window (KDE) the window would shrink. How in the world do I figure out what is going on when this is happening if I can't get my keyboard or mouse to work properly? |
| 05:45.47 | Radon_3 | yes I do guest442 |
| 05:45.59 | guest442 | cool. change your resolution here. |
| 05:46.46 | Lady_Aleena | I am running Debian 7, KDE 4.8.4, IceWeasel, XChat, Amarok, and Notepad++ (in Wine). |
| 05:47.03 | Radon_3 | there is nothing higher than 640x480 guest442 |
| 05:47.43 | guest442 | i would uninstall and do try a new driver. |
| 05:47.46 | guest442 | are you on wheezy? |
| 05:47.55 | guest442 | im using jessie and everything is working perfect. |
| 05:47.56 | Radon_3 | yes I am |
| 05:48.10 | guest442 | some very minor stuff. but have all been fixed. |
| 05:48.32 | guest442 | you could do a dist-upgrade to jessie and see if t fixes your issue. |
| 05:48.34 | Radon_3 | also I have nvidia gforce fx 5500 and trying a different driver seems to be not an option |
| 05:48.45 | Lady_Aleena | Could it be something is gobbling my memory up making my computer slow as dirt where it has to buffer? |
| 05:49.29 | guest442 | hmm its an older card. |
| 05:49.33 | guest442 | or low-end card* |
| 05:49.47 | Radon_3 | yeap :( |
| 05:49.55 | Radon_3 | could this be fixed at all? |
| 05:50.23 | guest442 | it looks like its supported |
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| 05:50.42 | guest442 | if you have tried everything else and are willing to do the jessie upgrade ill help you. |
| 05:50.49 | guest442 | do you have your system backed up? |
| 05:50.51 | Lady_Aleena | If this is Debian stable, it needs a lot of work. |
| 05:51.05 | guest442 | well files et cetera backed up |
| 05:51.35 | Radon_3 | well, I kind of like to have stable releases on the system guest442 |
| 05:51.50 | guest442 | well good luck. |
| 05:51.57 | Radon_3 | ok |
| 05:52.24 | Radon_3 | thank you though |
| 05:52.28 | guest442 | Radon_3: i will try a couple things with you if you want. |
| 05:52.34 | guest442 | first you have to purge nvidia driver |
| 05:53.03 | Radon_3 | guest442: how can I purge it? |
| 05:53.08 | Radon_3 | you mean remove it? |
| 05:53.13 | guest442 | run something like this in terminal |
| 05:53.14 | guest442 | sudo ~/installation_file.run -uninstall |
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| 05:53.54 | guest442 | installation_file.run being the actual nvidia card. or you can run sudo apt-get purge nvidia* |
| 05:54.10 | guest442 | the first command is safer to run. |
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| 05:54.20 | guest442 | the second command may break something. |
| 05:54.52 | Radon_3 | well considering that I have blacklisted the nuevua (something) driver, I am afraid if I purge the nvidia driver I mioight lose all the picture that I have got |
| 05:54.56 | guest442 | example: sudo NVIDIA-Linux-x86-310.19.run --uninstall |
| 05:54.58 | Radon_3 | *might |
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| 05:55.12 | guest442 | pictures? |
| 05:55.30 | guest442 | as in a data file .jpg, png et cetera? |
| 05:55.40 | Radon_3 | no, I mean my display |
| 05:55.51 | guest442 | or picture as in resolution? |
| 05:55.54 | Radon_3 | I would lose my display output |
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| 05:55.56 | guest442 | i see. |
| 05:56.14 | guest442 | if it uninstalls properly it will revert back to X |
| 05:56.30 | guest442 | X should call a generic driver for your display |
| 05:56.58 | Radon_3 | and what would I be doing after uninstalling the driver? |
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| 05:57.42 | guest442 | ill have to see your repos |
| 05:57.50 | guest442 | so pastebin your sources.list |
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| 05:58.05 | Radon_3 | ok |
| 05:58.06 | Radon_3 | w8 |
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| 05:58.18 | guest442 | if your sources look good then we can try to install nvidia with a command that dpkg bot gives here in #debian |
| 05:59.08 | Radon_3 | well I installed my driver using https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure |
| 05:59.22 | Radon_3 | sorry, this : https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 06:00.28 | guest442 | did you use this command? |
| 06:00.31 | guest442 | aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms |
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| 06:01.51 | Radon_3 | no, I used this: 'aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms' |
| 06:02.03 | guest442 | looks like the wrong driver. |
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| 06:02.27 | guest442 | first. are on a separate system? |
| 06:02.58 | Radon_3 | how do you mean on separate systems? |
| 06:03.31 | guest442 | well if we uninstall your video driver you may not be able to see this chat. so im asking if you are using a laptop to troubleshoot from or a separate pc. |
| 06:04.51 | guest442 | hopefully you can see IRC from a separate computer is all im saying. |
| 06:05.17 | Radon_3 | oh, no, that is not possible |
| 06:05.33 | Radon_3 | i am only on my pc, and my phone doesn't have internet |
| 06:05.46 | guest442 | well try this then. |
| 06:05.46 | Radon_3 | (i'm in Iran) |
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| 06:06.40 | Radon_3 | try what guest442? |
| 06:06.41 | guest442 | aptitude -r purge linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 06:06.51 | guest442 | but wait |
| 06:06.56 | guest442 | before you run this command |
| 06:07.07 | guest442 | you will need to copy this one too coz you need to run it next. |
| 06:07.24 | guest442 | aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 06:07.30 | Radon_3 | also here is the content of my sources.list http://pastebin.com/mtaBWRGg |
| 06:07.35 | guest442 | here is what i would do |
| 06:07.59 | guest442 | first i would copy both commands to a text file somewhere in your documents folder |
| 06:08.19 | guest442 | make sure you comment that the first command uninstalls current nvidia driver. |
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| 06:08.49 | guest442 | the second comment should say installs new nvidia driver. |
| 06:08.57 | guest442 | reboot after each command. |
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| 06:09.31 | guest442 | you can access this txt file you will be saving from recovery mode using nano |
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| 06:09.54 | guest442 | something like nano /home/Radon/nvidiaUninstall.txt |
| 06:10.02 | guest442 | you can name that txt file whatever you want |
| 06:10.30 | guest442 | do that run those two commands reboot after each command and see if that fixes you. |
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| 06:11.00 | guest442 | im suggesting this txt file so you can put those commands in case you have no video. |
| 06:11.26 | guest442 | remember that aptitude has to be ran as root |
| 06:11.39 | guest442 | su for root # |
| 06:12.11 | Radon_3 | guest442: ok, but that requires Internet connection, right? |
| 06:12.18 | guest442 | yep |
| 06:12.49 | guest442 | if you cant get online in recovery mode |
| 06:12.59 | Radon_3 | cause I have made a dsl connection on a modem which is acting as a bridge |
| 06:13.31 | Radon_3 | so, I am guessing that I might not be able to get an internet connection in recovery mode |
| 06:13.35 | guest442 | try to get to your desktop if you cant even see desktop try ctrl+alt+f4 and that should get you to a shell. then you can start w the first command. |
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| 06:13.50 | Radon_3 | then how would I be able to get the packages? |
| 06:13.51 | guest442 | ya dont worry about recovery mode |
| 06:14.17 | guest442 | try to boot to your desktop w the regular kernel in grup |
| 06:14.21 | guest442 | grub* |
| 06:14.38 | Radon_3 | ok, what next? |
| 06:14.42 | guest442 | just coz X doesnt load doesnt mean that your network wont |
| 06:14.52 | guest442 | the kernel calls up the network stack |
| 06:15.09 | Radon_3 | but I don't know how to make a dsl connection in consol |
| 06:15.23 | Radon_3 | I know how to do it in windows |
| 06:15.24 | guest442 | it should already be configured |
| 06:15.29 | Radon_3 | but not in debian |
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| 06:15.58 | guest442 | try apt-get update |
| 06:16.07 | guest442 | sudo* |
| 06:17.34 | Radon_3 | ok done that |
| 06:17.46 | guest442 | did debian update? |
| 06:18.11 | Radon_3 | yeap, a lil bit |
| 06:18.26 | guest442 | well try the first command and do NOT reboot. |
| 06:18.36 | Radon_3 | cause the system is pretty new guest442 I installed it like 20 hours ago |
| 06:18.42 | guest442 | aptitude -r purge linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 06:18.47 | guest442 | run this command ^ |
| 06:18.54 | Radon_3 | ok, here we go |
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| 06:19.22 | guest442 | done? |
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| 06:20.08 | guest442 | let me know when your done. also did you get any errors? |
| 06:20.23 | Radon_3 | done, no errors |
| 06:20.27 | guest442 | cool |
| 06:20.35 | guest442 | now the second command |
| 06:20.41 | guest442 | run this entire command. |
| 06:20.49 | guest442 | aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 06:21.01 | guest442 | the whole thing not just parts. |
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| 06:21.28 | Radon_3 | got it |
| 06:21.31 | guest442 | [01:20] <guest442> let me know when your done. also did you get any errors? |
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| 06:25.26 | afidegnum | hello, pls I can't access my web hosting account after i chaged my nameserver to a custom one related to my domain name. can anyone please help? |
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| 06:26.54 | Radon_3 | guest442: done, all was good, unless this last message which scares me a bit: mkdir: cannot create directory `/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d': File exists |
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| 06:27.19 | guest442 | hmm okay lets delete that directory |
| 06:27.33 | Radon_3 | ok |
| 06:27.35 | guest442 | then we will have to run that command again. just wait for me step by step. |
| 06:27.43 | Radon_3 | alright |
| 06:27.52 | guest442 | sudo rm -r /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 06:27.59 | guest442 | this this command first ^ |
| 06:28.18 | Radon_3 | done |
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| 06:28.29 | guest442 | now try that long command once more |
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| 06:28.40 | guest442 | you should be able to press up twice on your keyboard. |
| 06:28.41 | Radon_3 | ok |
| 06:28.45 | guest442 | it will be in memory. |
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| 06:29.45 | guest442 | done, any errors? |
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| 06:30.18 | Radon_3 | done, no errors |
| 06:31.03 | Radon_3 | reboot? |
| 06:31.09 | guest442 | okay good. now for the moment of truth, as the expression goes. reboot and see if youre fixed. |
| 06:31.13 | guest442 | yep. |
| 06:32.00 | Radon_3 | ok |
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| 06:32.21 | Radon_3 | I'm a bit scared, but I know I have got you guys |
| 06:32.30 | Radon_3 | see you in a bit guest442 |
| 06:32.48 | guest442 | ^ |
| 06:33.40 | Juslintek | how to reset all network settings on debian? |
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| 06:35.48 | k_sze[work] | I want to set shmmax to 1 GiB, but then how do I determine a reasonable number for shmall? |
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| 06:36.13 | k_sze[work] | (I'm trying to tune the server for postgresql |
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| 06:36.36 | Jarosch | good morning |
| 06:36.57 | k_sze[work] | actually it's quite complicated because Python, PostgreSQL, MySQL, and MongoDB run side-by-side on this system with 4 GiB RAM. |
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| 06:37.16 | Jarosch | where i can look up the compile flags for an intel atom cedarview architecture? |
| 06:37.41 | BenNZ | anyone know why i keep getting this http://paste.debian.net/76540/ after an update in jessie |
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| 06:40.53 | guest442 | BenNZ: i found this. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=104229 look towards the bottom for your fix. |
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| 06:41.19 | BenNZ | guest442: thank you for replying |
| 06:41.30 | guest442 | BenNZ: np |
| 06:41.43 | guest442 | BenNZ: the commands i would run start below this snippet Which is the reason why I use stable. If it's a bug then, as mentioned above, it may be broken for up to a few weeks for all I know; however, it may be interesting to see the results of a few commands. Best to simulate them before running them for real. For example: |
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| 06:44.28 | BenNZ | guest442: ok i had this bug in sid about 6 months ago , guess it still hasnt been fixed |
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| 06:46.35 | Radon_3 | guest442: I'm not fixed my man |
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| 06:46.56 | mo1991 | question - is there a good way to backup to an external hard drive - and then reinstall from that hard drive, and entire debian installation? I am currently running wheezy with a fair amount of configurations for web server firewalls etc, and really would like to encrypt the disks I have and then move the OS back? Is this doable? Or do I have to start fresh with a new wheezy install? |
| 06:47.20 | Radon_3 | guest442: you here? |
| 06:47.57 | guest442 | Radon_3: same resolution? |
| 06:48.08 | guest442 | are you at least getting video? |
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| 06:48.31 | Radon_3 | no man, I am back to 1950, I only get a black background with a gray blinking cursor |
| 06:48.49 | Radon_3 | that's all I get from debian ;( |
| 06:49.30 | afidegnum | pls, what supposed to be the name of my domain zone file? |
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| 06:51.01 | Radon_3 | guest442: what to do now? |
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| 06:51.33 | guest442 | no so now you are not getting video at all? |
| 06:51.46 | Radon_3 | yes ;( |
| 06:51.48 | guest442 | uninstall and try to download the driver from nvidia. else go jessie right. |
| 06:51.51 | guest442 | route* |
| 06:52.00 | Radon_3 | that's perfect |
| 06:52.04 | Radon_3 | just perfect |
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| 06:52.25 | Radon_3 | I told you I am not good around not-still-stable codes |
| 06:52.40 | guest442 | jessie is working fine. it does not hurt to try. |
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| 06:53.02 | Radon_3 | no thank you |
| 06:53.20 | Radon_3 | you wanted to do this to me, you could have |
| 06:53.22 | Radon_3 | .. |
| 06:54.03 | Radon_3 | no I'm f-ed, by debian, his girlfriend, debian channel, and guest442, this is what I call a day |
| 06:54.09 | Radon_3 | and a perfect morning |
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| 06:54.58 | guest442 | you can uninstall the commands simply by replacing install with purge. |
| 06:55.15 | Radon_3 | how can I do that now guest 442? |
| 06:55.41 | guest442 | aptitude -r purge linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
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| 06:56.02 | Radon_3 | and that would turn the blinking cursor 'red' right? |
| 06:56.37 | guest442 | then run your command that you said worked. minus the proper resolution. which is this: aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 06:56.50 | Radon_3 | on a military-blue background? |
| 06:57.05 | guest442 | that should get you back to where you were before i tried to help. |
| 06:57.32 | Radon_3 | I don't have access to anything right now, how can I run those commands? |
| 06:58.12 | JudgeDreddlock | Magic. |
| 06:58.32 | guest442 | the same way i already explained. ctrl+alt+f4 |
| 06:58.46 | guest442 | you will need to save those commands to a text file. |
| 07:00.43 | Radon_3 | oh man... |
| 07:00.47 | Radon_3 | forget it for now |
| 07:00.48 | nonconvergent | He means a tty console |
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| 07:01.09 | Radon_3 | maybe after a few month I will do that |
| 07:01.21 | nonconvergent | Radon_3: Eh? What's the problem. |
| 07:01.44 | Radon_3 | nonconvergent: the long version or the short version? |
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| 07:02.18 | Radon_3 | nonconvergent: you there? |
| 07:02.38 | nonconvergent | Radon_3: I'm here. |
| 07:02.48 | nonconvergent | But I might drop. |
| 07:02.54 | Radon_3 | nonconvergent: :) |
| 07:02.56 | guest442 | nonconvergent: hes trying to get nvidia driver installed. geforce fx 5500 |
| 07:02.58 | nonconvergent | Comcast has been dodgey. |
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| 07:03.09 | nonconvergent | Radon_3: Which debian release? |
| 07:03.13 | guest442 | wheezy |
| 07:03.16 | nonconvergent | Please say Wheezy. |
| 07:03.16 | Radon_3 | nonconvergent: wheezy |
| 07:03.25 | afidegnum | hello, pls I can't access my webpage after i changed my nameserver related to my domain ns1.alexprohost.com and ns2.alexprohost.com |
| 07:03.26 | Radon_3 | ok, Wheezy |
| 07:03.34 | afidegnum | can anyone please help? |
| 07:03.50 | nonconvergent | Okay. lspci -nn | grep [Nnvidia] |
| 07:03.52 | nonconvergent | er |
| 07:03.53 | nonconvergent | ... |
| 07:04.00 | nonconvergent | Okay. lspci -nn | grep [Nn]vidia |
| 07:04.25 | k_sze[work] | erm |
| 07:04.31 | Radon_3 | nonconvergent: I am on windows right now, and thanks to guest442 I can't be on debian and chat with you at the same time |
| 07:04.55 | k_sze[work] | kernel parameters that I set with `sysctl -w` take effect immediately but are not persisted, right? |
| 07:04.56 | Radon_3 | so, for each command I have to go back and forth between the oses |
| 07:04.58 | SirLagz | what did guest442 do now ? |
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| 07:05.21 | kyan | How can I share files over the network efficiently? The delay in sshfs/curlftpfs is so great that it slows my system to a crawl, and Debian only seems to have NFS4 (I need to access it from a computer with only NFS3). |
| 07:05.23 | guest442 | SirLagz: I tried to help. |
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| 07:05.47 | Radon_3 | SirLagz: he/she gave a very pretty blinking cursor on a black background, ask him, he might do the same to you |
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| 07:06.01 | SirLagz | Radon_3: after you tried to install the nvidia drivers ? |
| 07:06.13 | Radon_3 | SirLagz: yes, |
| 07:06.26 | guest442 | SirLagz: he was not getting the right resolution so i had him uninstall nvidia drivers and reinstall with this command.: aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 07:06.27 | SirLagz | Radon_3: ctrl-alt-F1 to get you to a terminal |
| 07:06.50 | Radon_3 | oooooh, I love the blinking cursor guest442, I might go there and watch it if I want to remember you my man |
| 07:06.56 | guest442 | Radon_3: if it makes you feel better i will never offer to help you again. |
| 07:07.05 | Radon_3 | something to remember you by, a blinking cursor |
| 07:07.15 | nonconvergent | Yuck. |
| 07:07.30 | nonconvergent | Radon_3: How married are you to your current installation of debian? |
| 07:07.35 | SirLagz | Radon_3: if i were you, I'd get the official nvidia drivers |
| 07:07.38 | guest442 | SirLagz: i have tried to tell him how to get to a terminal but it doesnt help that hes is does not know his way around deb. |
| 07:08.01 | guest442 | nonconvergent: hes very married. the first thing i suggested was jessie. he refused. |
| 07:08.07 | Radon_3 | nonconvergent: we are newly weds my man |
| 07:08.07 | anonnumberanon | Can I get an example of the configuration for a wpa2 psk password-protected wifi interface? |
| 07:08.15 | nonconvergent | There's better ways, but the easiest might be a reinstall if this is only say an hour old. |
| 07:08.21 | Radon_3 | nonconvergent: I don't even know how to make a baby with her |
| 07:08.23 | anonnumberanon | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:09.04 | dizzylizzy | Is there a documentation package that can help me learn how to write manual pages? |
| 07:09.16 | guest442 | SirLagz: jessie has been working great. very minor things but all fixed now that im on xfce. gnome shell seems to lag a bit. |
| 07:09.23 | SirLagz | guest442: awesome to hear |
| 07:09.27 | nonconvergent | From there, just get up and running with the wrong resolution and all the internet, and come back in here and I'll show you how to switch from nouveau to nvidia the easy way (well, I won't. I'm going to bed. But it's pretty effing easy.) |
| 07:09.44 | SirLagz | Radon_3: how well do you know linux ? |
| 07:09.46 | guest442 | SirLagz: i am glad you recommended it. :) |
| 07:09.46 | nonconvergent | No need to build |
| 07:09.55 | anonnumberanon | This pages leads me to believe I absolutely need to download wpa_supplicant in order to work with wpa and wpa 2 networks, is this accurate? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_basics_of_wireless_lan_interface |
| 07:09.56 | SirLagz | guest442: no probs :) |
| 07:10.03 | SirLagz | anonnumberanon: yes |
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| 07:10.10 | Radon_3 | SirLagz: to be sxact I only know that it is an OS |
| 07:10.17 | Radon_3 | *exact |
| 07:10.31 | SirLagz | Radon_3: right. in that case. i'd go with what nonconvergent said |
| 07:10.40 | Radon_3 | what was that? |
| 07:10.49 | SirLagz | reinstall |
| 07:10.57 | Radon_3 | the whole system???? |
| 07:11.05 | Radon_3 | the whole debian????? |
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| 07:11.24 | SirLagz | Radon_3: sure why not. how much effort have you invested into it so far ? |
| 07:11.36 | Radon_3 | like 15$ |
| 07:11.47 | Radon_3 | cause I had to buy some bandwidth |
| 07:11.50 | guest442 | SirLagz: i think this is his 3rd night trying to fix the same issue. |
| 07:11.52 | Radon_3 | to download debian |
| 07:12.08 | Radon_3 | guest442: yes, how did you know that? |
| 07:12.17 | SirLagz | Radon_3: do you have the CDs ? |
| 07:12.20 | Radon_3 | that it was my 3rd night? |
| 07:12.29 | nonconvergent | Radon_3: There are better ways, yes, but if its only an hour old this is faster than me convincing you to wait around for someone who knows what they're doing enough to reverse what guest442 got you to do, all without you being online to ask us. |
| 07:12.44 | Radon_3 | SirLagz: there is only one CD, and it is about 648MB |
| 07:12.45 | guest442 | Radon_3: i have been here in this room obviously. 3rd night was a guess. |
| 07:12.51 | SirLagz | Radon_3: that's fine |
| 07:12.53 | nonconvergent | You should still have your installation cd then. |
| 07:13.04 | SirLagz | Radon_3: you can either reinstall off that, to make it easier |
| 07:13.25 | SirLagz | Radon_3: or you can try and write down some things to do so that when you reboot into linux, you can run the commands to get you running again |
| 07:13.47 | nonconvergent | Radon_3: BTW, next time, if you have internet, just grab the netinst image. It's smaller, and grabs things as you need them during installation. |
| 07:13.47 | Radon_3 | If I install off that CD, it is still going to need Internet connection ;( |
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| 07:14.08 | SirLagz | Radon_3: not too much. |
| 07:14.16 | SirLagz | Radon_3: or you could do the second option |
| 07:14.17 | Radon_3 | SirLagz: I like that writing down part my man, tell me what to write down? |
| 07:14.36 | nonconvergent | Radon_3: Sadly, a lot of what debian does requires an internet connection. Particularly during the installation. |
| 07:14.48 | SirLagz | Radon_3: ok. I'll pm you the list |
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| 07:14.55 | Radon_3 | nonconvergent: just so you know, the first night I downloaded the netinstall, the same issue happened again |
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| 07:15.35 | nonconvergent | Radon_3: Yeah, netinstall only has what it needs to get the installer running and get online. It downloads the base system and whatever you select in tasksel from there. |
| 07:15.44 | wols_ | nonconvergent: no it does not |
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| 07:16.23 | nonconvergent | wols_: by all means weigh in. He could do with more informed guidance. |
| 07:16.39 | nonconvergent | yawns |
| 07:17.09 | anonnumberanon | sticks it in |
| 07:18.44 | wols_ | I don't know enough about his problem. if it's a system that doesn't come to X login, either he learns how to get to a console login and how to get on irc on a console (irssi) or he reinstalls as the faster option. hist choice |
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| 07:19.29 | nonconvergent | wols_: Which is exactly what I told him. |
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| 07:23.53 | nonconvergent | Radon_3: I can't do much about your bandwith concerns, unfortunately. But a reinstall from what you have is your best bet/fastest resolution. From there, you'll get installed with nouveau as your graphics driver. If you still have a bad resolution but don't need any 3D acceleration, you can stick with nouveau and set your resolution through xrandr (read the man page, it's easy to do). |
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| 07:26.31 | nonconvergent | If you do need 3D, you'll want the proprietary Nvidia driver. https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 should get you going. You have to set up a decent xorg.conf for the proprietary driver, but the nvidia-settings application you help you figure that out (run it with gksudo or kdesu if you're in kde to save your xorg.conf) |
| 07:27.53 | guest442 | nonconvergent: from what i gathered hes done all that. once he installed nvidia his next problem was the resolution. it was something like 800x640 i forgot. this is what i tried to help him with. |
| 07:28.10 | nonconvergent | If you come in here with the output of "lspci -nn | grep [Nn]vidia" and /msg judd with the phrase 'pciid ' followed by the bracketed sequence that's outputed, he'll tell you anything the bot knows about your particular one. |
| 07:28.36 | guest442 | first i had him run nvidia-settings as root. he said that nvidia-settings only showed 800x600 resolution. this is why i had him reinstall nvidia drivers. |
| 07:29.02 | nonconvergent | sighs |
| 07:29.17 | nonconvergent | Sorry then. Wish I had more to say on the subject. |
| 07:29.18 | guest442 | nonconvergent: i was trying to get nvidia-settings to change the resolution for him. |
| 07:30.09 | nonconvergent | Well, thats about as far as I could get you too. You could always delete the xorg.conf and switch back to nouveau for the time being. |
| 07:30.55 | nonconvergent | I'm going to sleep. Night guys. |
| 07:30.58 | guest442 | gn |
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| 07:32.50 | Radon_3 | nonconvergent: keep thinking of a blinking cursor, you will get to sleep easier |
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| 07:51.29 | pav5088 | Hi... I'm having an issue with a Windows machine not reading files I copied from a Debian machine... Windows complains, and wants to format the drive. |
| 07:51.42 | pav5088 | Are there any tricks/pitfalls I should know? |
| 07:51.46 | SirLagz | pav5088: does it still work if you plug it into the linux box ? |
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| 07:52.03 | pav5088 | SirLagz, yup |
| 07:52.23 | SirLagz | pav5088: what filesystem is on the drive ? |
| 07:52.45 | pav5088 | SirLagz, it wasn't formatted on the Linux box... |
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| 07:53.06 | pav5088 | I believe it's ntfs |
| 07:53.30 | pav5088 | /dev/sdc1 on /media/markp/Fresh type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096) |
| 07:53.37 | SirLagz | run fdisk -l /dev/sdc |
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| 07:54.08 | pav5088 | /dev/sdc1 2048 976707583 488352768 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
| 07:54.13 | SirLagz | ok |
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| 07:54.26 | SirLagz | if you plug it into the windows box, what does disk management say the filesystem is ? |
| 07:55.17 | anonnumberanon | T.Hanks SirLagz I am setup with wifi on the server! |
| 07:55.20 | pav5088 | SirLagz, unfortunately I don't have a windows machine... a flatmate has a windows box... I'll need to wait for him to get back. |
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| 07:55.31 | SirLagz | anonnumberanon: no problems. |
| 07:55.44 | SirLagz | anonnumberanon: did i help you ? lol...i don't remember |
| 07:55.49 | z8z | Any of you knows which is the status of exFAT fs support? i installed it but still have some strange behaviour.... is it stable at the moment or still experimental? |
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| 07:57.53 | anonnumberanon | iwconfig gives me Tx-Power=200 dBm |
| 07:57.58 | anonnumberanon | should I be worried? |
| 07:58.10 | SirLagz | anonnumberanon: i never am |
| 07:58.48 | anonnumberanon | SirLagz, yeah you helped lol when I ask "do I need wpa_supplicant absolutely for wpa networks" |
| 07:58.56 | SirLagz | anonnumberanon: oh right haha |
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| 08:01.55 | koell | what does "lo" mean in /etc/network/interfaces? auto lo |
| 08:02.07 | somiaj | koell: loop back interface |
| 08:02.12 | somiaj | koell: 127.0.0.1 or localhost |
| 08:02.21 | somiaj | the auto brings it up at boot |
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| 08:02.45 | dont-panic | its for sending yourself mail and such |
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| 08:03.00 | koell | somiaj: so when i remove this line, i'll not be able to access localhost or 127.0.0.1? |
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| 08:03.09 | dont-panic | or when you took a left and the internets to the right |
| 08:03.14 | wols_ | koell: wehn you remove it, tons of programs will fail |
| 08:03.18 | somiaj | koell: correct |
| 08:03.38 | dont-panic | Your computer will turn into a firey ball of confused |
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| 08:04.03 | koell | why do some people set broadcast and network in /etc/network/interfaces? any advantages? |
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| 08:06.09 | somiaj | if you don't mention it it uses a default value, maybe you want to use a custom value. Can't think of a reason why though, but I'm not much of a network guy |
| 08:06.13 | dont-panic | koell: man 5 interfaces |
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| 08:08.59 | koell | somiaj: wols_ dont-panic thanks for your help! |
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| 08:09.22 | anonnumberanon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:11.51 | guest442 | one must be server other client. |
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| 08:12.42 | Radon_3 | guest442: busy giving people blinking cursors huh? |
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| 08:13.25 | Panzerboy | morning all |
| 08:13.32 | Panzerboy | sup? |
| 08:13.47 | VaneHay | morning |
| 08:14.09 | Panzerboy | any ideas what do i need to set in the preseed.cfg file so that the installation starts directly in auto mode? |
| 08:14.15 | Panzerboy | or is it not done in preseed.cfg? |
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| 08:15.04 | Pinchiukas | How can I reinstall libc6? |
| 08:15.07 | anonnumberanon | guest this is when I get info on the filezilla package it says it has a gui, I don't see how I'd be able to use it as a cli tool, is there a client/server package that is more appropriate for ftp transfers? |
| 08:15.48 | Panzerboy | anonnumberanon: umm ... ftp? |
| 08:16.22 | Panzerboy | anonnumberanon: man ftp |
| 08:16.43 | anonnumberanon | ow |
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| 08:17.28 | Pinchiukas | Or is there a way to replace libc6 with something else? |
| 08:19.13 | nkuttler | Pinchiukas: sure, why would you want to do that though? |
| 08:20.14 | Pinchiukas | It's kind of a weird situation... I upgraded from Debian 6 in a Virtuozzo VM. |
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| 08:20.56 | Pinchiukas | And something got broken. I guess because of Virtuozzo. But I found that I can fix packages by reinstalling them. |
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| 08:21.25 | nkuttler | !tell Pinchiukas about errors |
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| 08:22.29 | Pinchiukas | dpkg: warning: files list file for package 'libc6:amd64' missing; assuming package has no files currently installed |
| 08:22.29 | dpkg | pinchiukas: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 08:22.33 | Pinchiukas | This is the error I get. |
| 08:22.45 | Pinchiukas | While doing various actions with apt-get, aptitude. |
| 08:23.00 | nkuttler | Pinchiukas: read what the bot told you |
| 08:23.08 | nkuttler | in pm |
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| 08:23.58 | Pinchiukas | I don't have the first error anymore. Anyway, it happens every time I do something with aptitude. |
| 08:24.20 | dont-panic | feels like one of those times where you can toss a symlink at it to make it less grumpy |
| 08:24.38 | dont-panic | then do something with aptitude |
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| 08:25.14 | anonnumberanon | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.21 | dont-panic | dear aptitude, have you seen java? |
| 08:25.31 | Pinchiukas | Afaik Virtuozzo uses symlinks underneath. And I believe that to be the source of the problem. |
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| 08:26.07 | dont-panic | get it to tell you what its expecting and where and then toss that where it wants it lol |
| 08:26.42 | wols_ | Pinchiukas: it clearly tells you what it is missing. and it's very easy to fix: reinstall the package |
| 08:27.17 | Pinchiukas | wols_: that's what I'm trying to do. |
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| 08:27.19 | wols_ | anonnumberanon: for CLI ftp programs: lftp and ncftp |
| 08:27.26 | wols_ | Pinchiukas: then reinstall it with dpkg |
| 08:27.48 | Pinchiukas | This is what happens: http://pastebin.com/yed0m27T |
| 08:27.49 | wols_ | anonnumberanon: for ftpd: vsftpd and pure-ftpd. |
| 08:28.08 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 08:28.10 | Pinchiukas | dpkg doesn't work as well it seems. |
| 08:28.11 | dpkg | i don't know, Pinchiukas |
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| 08:28.27 | wols_ | Pinchiukas: then check what package put that file there |
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| 08:28.43 | Pinchiukas | So I thought I could up/down-grade the package and then get back. Or replace it with something else if possible. |
| 08:28.45 | Azrael_- | just found out a mail-account was used for spam. how can i best scan+delete for this specific account in the mails and delete all mails from the user? |
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| 08:29.18 | Pinchiukas | wols_: what file? |
| 08:29.30 | wols_ | the file your paste so loudly complains about |
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| 08:29.36 | wols_ | line 12 |
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| 08:30.43 | Pinchiukas | wols_: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so |
| 08:31.06 | wols_ | Pinchiukas: dpkg -S |
| 08:31.17 | Pinchiukas | That's what I did. |
| 08:31.21 | wols_ | and if there is none, delete it |
| 08:31.38 | Pinchiukas | Won't my system break if I delete it? |
| 08:31.43 | wols_ | tho, you probably have some sort of frankendebian which means you should just reinstall |
| 08:31.51 | Pinchiukas | It's kind of a fundamental thing afaik. |
| 08:31.51 | wols_ | your system is already broken |
| 08:32.13 | Pinchiukas | That's not really a solution. |
| 08:32.13 | dont-panic | Pinchiukas: if you think it'll break, just move it to whatever_the_file_name_is.bak |
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| 08:32.22 | wols_ | dont-panic: that dosn't help |
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| 08:33.03 | dont-panic | remove your libc-2.13.so file and try again |
| 08:33.25 | Pinchiukas | Great, that broke my whole system. |
| 08:33.29 | Pinchiukas | Thank you very much. |
| 08:33.51 | Pinchiukas | # ls -l /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so.bak |
| 08:33.53 | Pinchiukas | ls: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 08:33.56 | dont-panic | The whole system, or just the part that requires libc? |
| 08:34.07 | Pinchiukas | Everything relies on libc. |
| 08:34.11 | wols_ | as I wrote above: your system is already broken. you cannot upgrade debian until this file isn't there anymore |
| 08:34.40 | Pinchiukas | wols_: what are you talking about? This file is no longer there now. Now even 'ls' doesn't work. |
| 08:34.50 | Pinchiukas | Thanks for actually helping me break my system. |
| 08:34.55 | wols_ | yes cause your debian was broken before. you just didn't see/experience it. |
| 08:35.17 | Pinchiukas | Do you have any evidence? Or do you just spot random "facts"? |
| 08:35.21 | wols_ | apt/dpkg would never ever work until the problem with this file is fixed. so you haven't lost anything |
| 08:35.31 | wols_ | the fact is your dpkg output |
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| 08:35.57 | Pinchiukas | Which line? |
| 08:35.59 | wols_ | you used files/packages from outside debian. these broke your system. |
| 08:36.06 | Pinchiukas | No I did not. |
| 08:36.08 | wols_ | the line where dpkg errors |
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| 08:36.17 | Pinchiukas | You're talking crap. |
| 08:36.18 | dont-panic | its like if you have a bag stuck in your gas tank and you can't fill it with gas... you wont notice until you run out of gas |
| 08:36.41 | floop_ | how can I dd multiple input files onto a single output device? |
| 08:36.42 | Pinchiukas | I didn't use any non-debian packages. |
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| 08:36.44 | wols_ | Pinchiukas: if you don't want help, suit yourself |
| 08:36.46 | dont-panic | /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.13-38_amd64.deb <-- that line |
| 08:36.53 | Pinchiukas | wols_: I do. You're not helping. |
| 08:37.09 | wols_ | Pinchiukas: then I guess we best ignore each other. good luck |
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| 08:37.28 | Pinchiukas | Except that now I have to pay to have my system restored. |
| 08:37.51 | dont-panic | Pinchiukas: Paying to fix a linux system? |
| 08:38.04 | wols_ | that's what backups are for. if you can't restore from backup without paying money, it's the wrong hoster |
| 08:38.12 | wols_ | dont-panic: it's a hosted VPS |
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| 08:38.33 | dont-panic | ahhhhh, yes, those... Those are fun |
| 08:38.56 | Pinchiukas | Well I blame you for telling me to move the file. That broke the system. |
| 08:39.10 | wols_ | and when one plays manual buggers with libc, I usually have a mc instance running under screen: helps to avoid problems |
| 08:39.18 | dont-panic | I'd go through a different host if they charge you for reimaging or whatever your going to do |
| 08:39.25 | wols_ | I blame you for not having backups |
| 08:39.37 | Pinchiukas | You basically told me to break it. |
| 08:39.42 | floop_ | how can I dd multiple input files onto a single output device? |
| 08:40.05 | wols_ | floop_: state your actual problem |
| 08:40.05 | dont-panic | floop_: what kind of files? |
| 08:40.09 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: does "LD_PRELOAD=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so.bak /bin/ls" work? |
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| 08:40.36 | floop_ | .fw files for install ... i need to dd two files onto a usb stick so that I can install onto a specific device |
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| 08:41.06 | Panzerboy | man this installer thing drives me nuts |
| 08:41.13 | wols_ | floop_: why dd? dd a .fw file means there is no filesystem. are you sure it's dd? what device is this? |
| 08:41.36 | Panzerboy | how the hell do i tell the installer to not bother with the menu and choose automatic install ... well ... automatically? |
| 08:41.46 | Panzerboy | any ideas? |
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| 08:42.20 | floop_ | macbook air. has no firmware for network cards. in the middle of the process i need to load a usb stick with two .fw files. just writing the files to a FAT32 usb stick didnt work |
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| 08:42.48 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: you saved my day. :) That worked. And I've moved it back. |
| 08:43.10 | jelly-home | good |
| 08:44.26 | floop_ | https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookAir4,2Testimonial |
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| 08:46.43 | dont-panic | floop_: says he copied the fw in place manually |
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| 08:47.34 | floop_ | dont-panic: I tried this too... mounted the stick and everything, but during installation there is no "/lib/firmware" |
| 08:47.39 | guest442 | no need for flame wars we are all i here for free. you are welcome. |
| 08:47.47 | guest442 | in* |
| 08:47.55 | floop_ | theres no place to copy it to |
| 08:48.19 | somiaj | floop_: it is something like /target/lib/firmware (copy it onto the device you are installing to) |
| 08:48.33 | somiaj | after that when you reboot teh firmware will be read and you can have the internet to finish the install |
| 08:48.34 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: now that you're done with gratuitous breakage via bad advice, can you pastebin the output of "uname -a", "dpkg --print-architecture", "dpkg -S /lib/*/libc-*.so", "ls -la /var/lib/dpkg/libc6*" and "apt-cache policy" |
| 08:48.56 | somiaj | floop_: the net isntall has a fully functional base system, you can install that without installing the internet, copy over the firmware .deb, dpkg -i it, reboot, rerun tasksel and finish the install |
| 08:49.16 | dont-panic | ^ that |
| 08:49.29 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: sorry, make that third one ls -la /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6* |
| 08:49.39 | floop_ | ok somiaj. i'll try that |
| 08:49.41 | floop_ | thanks |
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| 08:49.50 | dont-panic | somiaj: you must not be at work, you were way quicker on that |
| 08:50.07 | dont-panic | its like when you install arch, except its not arch |
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| 08:50.23 | somiaj | floop_: /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 08:50.29 | somiaj | floop_: installers with firmware included |
| 08:50.42 | wols_ | somiaj: you sure they include the "special" broadcom firmware? |
| 08:50.57 | somiaj | wols_: oh is that the one that has be created from the firmwarecutter? |
| 08:51.09 | wols_ | I dunno. I steer clear of broadcom |
| 08:51.33 | somiaj | yea I had a system that required those, I had to read the manpage after isntalling the firmware cutter and manually cut the firmware from my device, was annoying |
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| 08:51.48 | jelly-home | dpkg, flw69 is <dont-panic> remove your libc-2.13.so file and try again |
| 08:51.49 | dpkg | jelly-home: okay |
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| 08:52.15 | dont-panic | jelly-home: huh? |
| 08:52.29 | AlexLikeRock | what mpe player search for a IDE info online? |
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| 08:52.44 | AlexLikeRock | (ide tag ) |
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| 08:53.10 | jelly-home | dont-panic: I've added your quote to the list of horribly bad ideas in the "famous last words" database |
| 08:53.24 | dont-panic | You like that? lol |
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| 08:53.48 | guest442 | dont-panic: youre famous :D |
| 08:54.02 | dont-panic | "must have skipped liba and libb and went straight to libc, remove that junk" |
| 08:54.06 | guest442 | jelly-home: hopefully i am not already in there :o |
| 08:54.20 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: just a minute. :) |
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| 08:57.22 | anonnumberanon | T.Hanks wols_ for ftp recommendations. |
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| 08:59.54 | CommaCrazy | hi all |
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| 09:00.36 | Muslim | Selamun Aleikum |
| 09:00.37 | Muslim | Support the movement of having Muslim holidays recognized in the school year, throughout the United States of America. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/ (Surely join this important survey) CLiK: Email this link to your friends and family: http://wh.gov/l8f51 Elhamdullillah |
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| 09:01.00 | Muslim | Selamun Aleikum |
| 09:01.00 | Muslim | Support the movement of having Muslim holidays recognized in the school year, throughout the United States of America. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/ (Surely join this important survey) CLiK: Email this link to your friends and family: http://wh.gov/l8f51 Elhamdullillah |
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| 09:02.21 | jelly-home | Muslim: use #politics, this is a tech support channel |
| 09:02.21 | CommaCrazy | question, I'm trying to grab a mpts from one of my mikroticks using vlc (for instance), I tried on windows and it works just fine, I put the cable (same network cable) and give the machine same IP address as the other had and it does not work |
| 09:02.29 | CommaCrazy | it tells me that it is unreachable |
| 09:03.04 | CommaCrazy | Muslim, take your propaganda to the appropriate place. this is not one of them |
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| 09:03.46 | floop_ | thanks again somiaj ... will test it out soon |
| 09:03.54 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: here: http://pastebin.com/3ZxWwsti |
| 09:03.59 | Muslim | Selamun Aleikum |
| 09:03.59 | Muslim | Support the movement of having Muslim holidays recognized in the school year, throughout the United States of America. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/ (Surely join this important survey) CLiK: Email this link to your friends and family: http://wh.gov/l8f51 Elhamdullillah |
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| 09:05.17 | koell | does a reboot reset uptime? |
| 09:05.25 | jelly-home | koell: yes |
| 09:05.27 | waqstar | yes |
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| 09:06.44 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: please amend the third command to ls -la /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6* |
| 09:06.47 | koell | jelly-home: waqstar is it possible to prevent a reset? |
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| 09:07.27 | jelly-home | koell: of the uptime value? No |
| 09:07.35 | jelly-home | koell: why do you ask? |
| 09:07.58 | waqstar | koell, It is not possible. Why would you like to do that? |
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| 09:08.13 | koell | jelly-home: i would like to do a daily reboot on a local machine 24/7 |
| 09:08.29 | koell | but keep uptime stats |
| 09:08.45 | jelly-home | koell: why? |
| 09:09.12 | koell | jelly-home: just to make sure there is no crap running :D |
| 09:09.23 | Deeps | o_0 |
| 09:09.30 | omarek | user@debian-amd64-700:~$ cat /etc/sudoers.d/README |
| 09:09.35 | jelly-home | koell: how is "crap running" related to uptime? |
| 09:09.39 | waqstar | koell, Doesn't make sense to do that! You could fake it I guess? Create an alias for ÂŁuptime" |
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| 09:09.48 | omarek | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.50 | omarek | cat: /etc/sudoers.d/README: Permission |
| 09:10.15 | omarek | WTF ? Whose idea it was to to make a README file root-only ? |
| 09:10.20 | jelly-home | koell: what's the goal you want to achieve by faking uptime values? |
| 09:10.35 | omarek | This is on two separate Debian installations. |
| 09:10.40 | koell | waqstar: i just thought it would be a good idea to do at least one reboot on my pi. |
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| 09:11.15 | koell | jelly-home: to keep the stats and know how long a pi can run in 24/7 mode |
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| 09:12.03 | waqstar | koell, The point of uptime is to show how long the machine has been up. Maybe create a short script to record uptime if you like. Or try http://www.etheus.net/UptimeFaker, haven't tried this myself |
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| 09:13.06 | Deeps | alias uptime=echo "1 billion years" |
| 09:13.09 | Deeps | job done |
| 09:13.11 | koell | waqstar: so the max uptime stored in "uptime" is 497 days? |
| 09:14.26 | Deeps | no |
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| 09:15.10 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: here: http://pastebin.com/8hg42h6T |
| 09:15.25 | waqstar | koell, nope... |
| 09:15.58 | waqstar | koell, Write a short script to echo /proc/uptime out then reboot then when machine is back up echo value back? Not great with scripting |
| 09:16.44 | koell | waqstar: thats a good solution. |
| 09:17.01 | petern_ | why reboot it? |
| 09:17.32 | waqstar | koell, If your're gona fake it. Then I dont see a solution as the uptime stat is worthless, a reboot means the machine has not been up. Do you understand the logic? |
| 09:17.54 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: are you sure you had debian 6 previously? dpkg -l base-files dpkg libc6|tail -n 3 |
| 09:18.16 | waqstar | petern_, A requirement is to reboot every day but not ruin the uptime stat. UPTIME WHORE |
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| 09:18.20 | bewees | Hi, how can I make all users belonging to group XYZ to have the same home directory? |
| 09:18.28 | waqstar | koell, joking 0.o |
| 09:18.33 | koell | waqstar: yes its not about faking. i would like to keep the uptime. I've heard some run their pi's in 24/7 |
| 09:19.06 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: yep, Debian 6. http://pastebin.com/bgXa1BrE |
| 09:19.08 | petern_ | running a pi 24/7 means not rebooting it |
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| 09:19.16 | petern_ | so ... why do you need to reboot it? |
| 09:19.43 | waqstar | koell, Most things will run 24/7. But imagine if everyone started faking uptime :( please bro dont do it |
| 09:19.58 | wols_ | bewees: home directory is set in /etc/passwd for every user individually. also it's probably a bad idea to do this |
| 09:20.05 | koell | petern_: do u like to wear the same shorts 24/7? :) |
| 09:20.12 | petern_ | aw shit, my pi's uptime is only 47 days due to a powercut. that powercut wasn't my fault, can i fake it? |
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| 09:20.42 | petern_ | koell, doesn't seem relevant |
| 09:20.45 | Deeps | koell: if you're sweating on your pi, you're doing it wrong |
| 09:20.49 | bewees | wols_, Hm good to know, thanks. So I look for another way for my issue |
| 09:21.00 | Deeps | koell: best place for a pi is in a cool dry place, not pressed up against your nutsack |
| 09:21.14 | koell | petern its not about faking it or to compare with others. just an info for myself |
| 09:21.24 | Deeps | koell: (i can only assume thats why you're comparing it to shorts) |
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| 09:21.43 | waqstar | petern_, He wants to reboot it. You suggest not to reboot it. We will get no where with that lol |
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| 09:22.35 | koell | i think a reboot will prevent me from performance issues, thats it. |
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| 09:22.59 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: weird. did you enable multiarch at some point? |
| 09:23.16 | Pinchiukas | I have no idea. This is a preinstalled Virtuozzo VM. |
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| 09:23.25 | waqstar | koell, A common misunderstanding. A reboot will not automatically increase performance. kill some shit. This isnt Windoze |
| 09:24.13 | waqstar | koell, But if you would like to fake it. I say write a script or try that hack from that link... |
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| 09:27.20 | koell | waqstar: i didnt say it will increase performance :) |
| 09:28.22 | waqstar | koell, Wait, so why do you wana reboot again? |
| 09:28.23 | koell | waqstar: so u say a long uptime will not affect the performance? ram usage? |
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| 09:30.56 | waqstar | If you reboot. You're just hiding the issue, it will come back to bite sooner rather than later. Elaborate on RAM usage? |
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| 09:32.03 | waqstar | Do you mean cached RAM?? |
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| 09:32.59 | koell | waqstar: idk, i think more in windows than in bytes :) |
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| 09:33.16 | petern_ | Hmm, 70MB used after 47 days. Doesn't seem like it's getting worse. |
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| 09:36.02 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: do I have multiarch enabled? |
| 09:37.07 | waqstar | koell, lol. It wont help to reboot it in any way. As far as I know. |
| 09:38.16 | waqstar | koell, RAM is cached, that is a good thing not bad? A reboot should be done when you cannot fix an issue in a timely manner |
| 09:38.39 | wols_ | !reboot |
| 09:38.39 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 09:38.51 | waqstar | koell, I had a quick google of this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/410413/benefits-and-hindrances-of-regular-server-reboots |
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| 09:39.50 | waqstar | haha - exactly! A reboot is to load new changes. Or to bring a system service up in quick time |
| 09:40.24 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: only if dpkg --print-foreign-architectures output is nonempty |
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| 09:41.29 | TomyWork | i gave a script 4755 permissions (-rwsr-xr-x, same as sudo). i run apt-get in that and it complains about not having root rights. the file is owned by root. |
| 09:42.35 | freaky[t] | hi all. can anyone help me with duply? i want to setup backups so they run daily. there should always only be 1 full backup set and incremental backups should only be kept for 1 week. if i set MAX_AGE in the config to 1W it never can delete old backup sets cuz newer ones depend on them. if i do a full backup every 2 weeks and do purge, only the last full backup is kept (i also only want 1 full |
| 09:42.37 | freaky[t] | backup kept) and i couldnt restore stuff from before that day the full backup set is made cuz the old sets get deleted. so say if i run full backup every 2 weeks and do purge i have before that a backup set of the last 14 days and then suddenly after only from the full backup just made. is there a possibility i can always have last 7 days and always only 1 full backup set? |
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| 09:44.45 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: do you have any ideas for me? :) |
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| 09:47.13 | shal3r | I have Debian7 server with software raid (2x1TB RAID1) and very light usage but average load stays around 2-3, CPU usage is near to 0 and `iotop` shows 95-99.99% IO by [jbd2/md0-8]. /proc/mdstat reports that everything is fine and no sync or check is in progress |
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| 09:48.01 | shal3r | and `iotop` shows DISK-READ 0, DISK-WRITE 500-700KB/s all the time |
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| 09:50.17 | ticapix | hi |
| 09:50.47 | iix | TomyWork: You cannot do that for scripts |
| 09:51.25 | TomyWork | iix, oh, why not? |
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| 09:51.50 | iix | TomyWork: Security issues |
| 09:52.02 | TomyWork | but there are none |
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| 09:52.36 | iix | Yeah, but you cannot do that with scripts, it works that way by design |
| 09:52.48 | ticapix | I'm trying to apply a patch on the debian rt kernel. Is this tuto https://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage valid for -rt version of the kernels ? |
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| 09:53.31 | iix | If you really really want to, you can compile a C program which executes the script and set it on the binary |
| 09:53.31 | TomyWork | this is a vagrant box, meaning that there is a well-known user with a well-known password and a well-known key, which has to have passwordless sudo access anyway, since vagrant requires that |
| 09:54.09 | TomyWork | i might do that |
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| 09:55.16 | iix | TomyWork: If you don't know C, you can copy from this page: http://www.tuxation.com/setuid-on-shell-scripts.html |
| 09:56.22 | TomyWork | i know C, but C is bad, so i'm thankful for a way of avoiding it :) |
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| 09:56.47 | umje | I did a gem install passenger however I cannot find where it is installed... it is not inside /var/lib/gems/*/passenger-... can anyone assist me? |
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| 09:57.31 | umje | I get Successfully installed passenger-4.0.35 but I cannot find where it is installed |
| 09:58.26 | jelly | Pinchiukas: not really, reinstall libc6 with dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6...deb and see what else is broken or confused |
| 09:58.37 | Okee | Is there a pdf creator bundled with debian stable? The on line converter messes up my formatting. |
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| 10:03.00 | jelly | Pinchiukas: libc6 files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ look as if the package only got halfway installed (see all that 2012 stuff that ought to have been updated), but the packaging system thinks it got installed properly |
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| 10:03.27 | jelly | Pinchiukas: I don't really have an idea how that can happen without a filesystem corruption |
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| 10:05.43 | jelly | Pinchiukas: I also do not know why http://pastebin.com/yed0m27T happened |
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| 10:13.45 | jelly | Pinchiukas: can you show the output of lsattr /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6* ? |
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| 10:20.36 | KDr2 | anyone knows how to resolve this? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=731763 |
| 10:22.38 | nkuttler | KDr2: welcome to testing where things break |
| 10:22.45 | jelly | judd: bug 731763 |
| 10:22.46 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/731763 in libclang-common-3.3-dev (open): «libclang-common-3.3-dev: failed to update since it contains same file with libclang-common-dev»; severity: important; opened: 2013-12-09; last modified: 2013-12-14. |
| 10:23.04 | jelly | ,v libclang-common-3.3-dev |
| 10:23.05 | judd | Package: libclang-common-3.3-dev on i386 -- jessie: 1:3.3-16; sid: 1:3.3-16 |
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| 10:23.30 | jelly | righto, the bug is filed so wait for it to be fixed |
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| 10:23.59 | jelly | dpkg, tell KDr2 about force-overwrite |
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| 10:24.58 | pedro_ | Hi. Is there a way to install a package (which is a daemon) without aptitude to restart/touch the daemon ? |
| 10:24.59 | jelly | KDr2: got the private message from the bot? That's the workaround. |
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| 10:25.15 | jelly | dpkg, tell pedro_ about policy-rc.d |
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| 10:28.51 | pedro_ | jelly, thanks. out of curiosity, why isn't there a builtin way to do it ? |
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| 10:33.02 | jelly | pedro_: built in which component? |
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| 10:33.57 | pedro_ | dpkg or aptitude. To me, it doesn't seem that managing daemons is really the job of a package manager |
| 10:33.58 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, pedro_ |
| 10:34.13 | jelly | invoke-rc.d is the tool used to start and stop services at installation time, and that's the way to manage it |
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| 10:35.26 | jelly | dpkg indeed does not know a lot about daemons, all that stuff is stored within each package installation scripts |
| 10:35.27 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, jelly |
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| 10:35.33 | jelly | dpkg: hush now |
| 10:35.33 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jelly |
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| 10:39.24 | pedro_ | ah, that's more logical… |
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| 10:47.47 | Kingsy | guys. I am connecting my tablet to my pc here, the kernel sees it.. dmesg says --> http://pastie.org/8638568 <-- how can I mount it as a drive? or pass files to it? |
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| 10:48.14 | Kingsy | the tablet is configured to use MPT |
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| 10:51.59 | trewas | Kingsy: mtpfs for example, or something else using libmtp |
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| 10:53.18 | Kingsy | trewas: mtpfs doesnt exist in apt-get |
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| 10:53.47 | Kingsy | neither does libmtp |
| 10:53.59 | Kingsy | I installed gMTP but it just crashes |
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| 10:55.47 | KDr2 | jelly: got it, thanks |
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| 10:55.55 | trewas | apparently not in stable, anyway mtp support in linux is a bit work-in-progress (nicely said) so using it from wheezy might not work |
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| 10:56.16 | Kingsy | yep it doesnt :( |
| 10:56.56 | jelly | ,v mtpfs |
| 10:56.57 | judd | Package: mtpfs on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9-3; sid: 1.1-4.1 |
| 10:57.21 | Kingsy | apt-cache search mtpfs returns nothing |
| 10:57.35 | jelly | Kingsy: the one from sid can be backported easily but may not work too well |
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| 10:58.12 | Kingsy | how can I backport that? |
| 10:58.22 | jelly | dpkg, tell Kingsy about ssb |
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| 10:58.59 | Kingsy | thansk |
| 10:59.17 | jelly | Kingsy: you'll want to backport libmtp9 first, then install all the packages, then mtpfs |
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| 11:00.34 | Kingsy | hmm I don't really have time to do this, I am at work so I was hoping it was going nto take 1 minute, I don't have time to read through all this stuff.. nevermind, its not that important. I will habe a read and do it properly when I have more time |
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| 11:00.39 | Kingsy | thanks for the information |
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| 11:17.22 | cooldharma06 | hi |
| 11:17.33 | cooldharma06 | tgt what are kernel modules we have to load |
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| 11:27.25 | enyc | Hrrm -- weird packaing question -- why do I see only a single binary and no source for ''tspc'' ? http://packages.debian.org/sid/tspc |
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| 11:30.51 | av0idz | im right now concerned... my rkhunter just told me that one of my vps machines got several files in /bin that changed to permissions +w for all users ? |
| 11:31.09 | av0idz | this is suspicious ... any advice what could cause such an behaviour |
| 11:31.13 | av0idz | ?? |
| 11:31.21 | themill | enyc: the package isn't actually in debian at all |
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| 11:37.30 | enyc | themill: so why is it listed on the page above at all? |
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| 11:39.40 | themill | enyc: it's in the m68k arch which is not in debian but would love to be. Including archs like m68k makes packages.d.o much more confusing than it needs to be |
| 11:40.08 | Peter234 | I have Ubuntu, Windows7 on my computer, but I would like to start using Debian. Is there safe way to install Debian as third OS? |
| 11:40.59 | petn-randall | av0idz: Can you paste the output of rkhunter to http://paste.debian.net? |
| 11:42.20 | themill | Peter234: do you already have unpartitioned space or a spare partition? |
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| 11:52.22 | av0idz | thanks petn-randall maybe you can see something here |
| 11:52.24 | av0idz | http://pastebin.com/S5qDeYxn |
| 11:52.39 | av0idz | pasted text is too long vor paste.debian.org |
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| 11:54.49 | petn-randall | av0idz: How are the permissions for basename? |
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| 11:55.14 | petn-randall | av0idz: if you do 'ls -a /usr/bin/basename'? |
| 11:55.21 | petn-randall | av0idz: if you do 'ls -l /usr/bin/basename'? |
| 11:55.56 | av0idz | petn-randall not that wonderfull... -rwxrwxrwx 3 root root 31136 Nov 26 10:08 basename |
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| 11:56.21 | av0idz | read write exec for everyone |
| 11:56.55 | bw_ | thats not good;) |
| 11:57.07 | cooldharma06 | "tgt what are kernel modules we have to load" |
| 11:57.51 | Peter234 | themill, I opened Disk Management in Windows 7. It seems, that I don't have unused partition or unpartitioned space |
| 11:58.06 | av0idz | petn-randall i just checked md5sum and shasum for this file on 2 different machines ... same sum |
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| 11:58.27 | av0idz | so probably there was no changing ongoing on that file ... but how come these strange file permissions ? |
| 12:00.05 | bw_ | av0idz: did you the systems md5sum? imho that can't be trusted |
| 12:00.19 | themill | Peter234: so you're going to need to shrink other partitions to be able to do this. I think the windows file manager can do that for you (and getting it to do so for the windows partitions would be best, I guess). The debian installer can also help you with this |
| 12:00.43 | av0idz | yes i did bw_ but i used it on 2 completely different systems |
| 12:01.10 | av0idz | on 2 different files... once the file on the remote machine second on an local machine here with an fresh debian install.. |
| 12:01.34 | av0idz | though on the fresh install i dont have that weird file permissions... |
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| 12:02.29 | bw_ | maybe someone misstyped chmod as root and didn't realized it |
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| 12:03.38 | av0idz | heh i hope so i did not ! im the only root on that machine... and well its somehow strange it seems all those packages belong to coreutils somehow |
| 12:03.39 | Peter234 | themill: Ok, I will try |
| 12:03.43 | av0idz | that got changed permissions |
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| 12:09.09 | cooldharma06 | how to solve this error.. |
| 12:09.11 | cooldharma06 | http://pastebin.com/vcNmnDnT |
| 12:09.15 | cooldharma06 | any suggestion |
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| 12:11.20 | rfree | cooldharma06: hm |
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| 12:11.59 | rfree | cooldharma06: I dunno but try goolging this errors, and reinstalling the program to be sure |
| 12:12.29 | cooldharma06 | i tried those things then only i am asking here |
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| 12:12.39 | Myrtti | is this Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 12:12.44 | Myrtti | cooldharma06: ? |
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| 12:13.54 | cooldharma06 | similar to ubuntu only |
| 12:14.05 | khurram | hi guys what command to issue in debian wheezy to check the cpu load average other than 'uptime' |
| 12:14.14 | koshie | khurram: try top |
| 12:14.16 | koshie | no? |
| 12:14.21 | koshie | there is also htop |
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| 12:14.37 | khurram | koshie: htop is not a command |
| 12:14.43 | khurram | koshie: thanks for top command |
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| 12:15.08 | koshie | if htop isn't a command, what is it? |
| 12:15.19 | cooldharma06 | Myrtti debian one flavor |
| 12:15.19 | koshie | you mean a "complete" software? |
| 12:15.42 | Myrtti | khurram: htop isn't probably installed by default |
| 12:15.54 | koshie | Myrtti: yeah, you've too. |
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| 12:16.05 | koshie | But I prefer the presentation of Htop than top |
| 12:16.12 | koshie | even if mostly top do the job |
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| 12:24.05 | osfd | what should I do to get the sound when connecting my computer to my tv with HDMI ? |
| 12:24.17 | osfd | I run stable with 3.9 kernel |
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| 12:58.22 | Aprendiz1234 | hi all |
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| 13:01.31 | petn-randall | av0idz: Rainbow permissions are always a bad thing. No files in /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin or /usr/sbin need write permissions (except for root). |
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| 13:02.18 | petn-randall | osfd: It should work out of the box. You just need to change the audio output of your application to HDMI. Which application are you running? |
| 13:03.10 | av0idz | well yes thanks petn-randall well im going to re install that system ... and then carefully watch out for permission changes |
| 13:03.30 | av0idz | #i really like to know how this was done... |
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| 13:03.58 | av0idz | though its not an dedicated machine its an vps... and always stragne things can happen on a vps :) |
| 13:04.16 | Aprendiz1234 | I have a problem in samba over debian 7.3. I want to authenticate samba as member domain against a PDC with winbind and when I use wbinfo -a is working fine but when I try from a client I can't get logging. If in the client use username winbind tell me password wrong and the PDC the same, but if I use domain\username the PDC return NT_STATUS_OK but the log in samba tell me FAILED with error NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_USER |
| 13:04.24 | Aprendiz1234 | any idea? |
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| 13:04.51 | petn-randall | av0idz: You don't need to reinstall the system for that. And even though it's a VPS this should not happen. |
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| 13:05.43 | osfd | smplayer |
| 13:05.57 | osfd | or whatever may read videos |
| 13:06.27 | av0idz | hmm petn-randall any advice on how i should deal with that cause happened to my vps ? |
| 13:06.47 | av0idz | cause just changing permissions back to original ... i dont know who did this or how that happened |
| 13:06.58 | av0idz | as long as im the only root there im very concerned.. |
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| 13:08.00 | petn-randall | av0idz: 'chmod go-w /pathtobindir/*' should fix it, though check the man page of chmod. You can use debsums to verify if any of the binaries got modified. |
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| 13:08.16 | osfd | petn-randall: isn't it the mixer job ? |
| 13:08.19 | petn-randall | av0idz: It could always have been a misuse of chmod that caused this. |
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| 13:09.23 | av0idz | i would think of that cause too if and only if every file in /bin or /usr/bin would be affected... though there are only files from package coreutils affected. |
| 13:09.31 | av0idz | i will investigate this a little further |
| 13:09.51 | petn-randall | osfd: If you have pulseaudio installed, and you're using it as output, you can of course use that to decide where the output goes. |
| 13:10.09 | petn-randall | osfd: But with plain ALSA it's the job of the application to know decide where the output goes to. |
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| 13:11.06 | osfd | petn-randall: ok, good to know |
| 13:11.13 | osfd | petn-randall: thank you :) |
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| 13:16.35 | doublehp_ | how do i manually force cpu freq to highest possible ? |
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| 13:26.23 | petn-randall | doublehp_: Why would you want to do that? |
| 13:26.53 | suy | Is there any alternative to openssh for an scp program? I'm trying to upload a file to a remote host, and it only works with one client in windows. With scp the program hangs doing nothing, while ssh works. |
| 13:27.12 | doublehp_ | petn-randall: because when freq stays lown , it limits my network bandwidth, and slows down movies reading |
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| 13:27.43 | ksk | suy: openssh is not the problem. |
| 13:27.59 | petn-randall | doublehp_: I highly doubt that. What lead your to this conclusion? |
| 13:28.00 | ksk | " it does not work" is not a problem description, whats the trigger for that again? |
| 13:28.16 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 13:28.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:28.22 | petn-randall | ksk: ^^^ this one? |
| 13:28.35 | ksk | no, but this is useful here, too. thanks ;) |
| 13:28.47 | wols_ | suy: tried scp -v yet? |
| 13:28.47 | doublehp_ | petn-randall: because when i can force the freq to max, my bandwidth doubles, and my movie stops lagging; but it holds only for a few seconds |
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| 13:29.59 | petn-randall | doublehp_: If at best, that would only be a crude workaround. Which kernel are you running, on which release? What kind of HW is this? |
| 13:30.51 | doublehp_ | petn-randall: 2.6.32-5-686 squeeze , Dell latitude D610 |
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| 13:31.38 | abrotman | Why are you still on squeeze? |
| 13:31.41 | suy | Mmm, the host is down now :-( I can't try scp -v. I remember I tried that too, but I could not get anything from the message. I just see the file created at the other side, with 0 bytes. And nothing printed or happening on the client. |
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| 13:33.49 | doublehp_ | abrotman: because it was what was available when i installed the box |
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| 13:34.01 | abrotman | so upgrade to wheezy already |
| 13:34.02 | petn-randall | doublehp_: I would first upgrade to wheezy, since the support for squeeze will run out in May, and then test it again. How are you measuring the bandwidth? |
| 13:34.15 | str3 | >2010+4 >not using jessie |
| 13:34.43 | petn-randall | str3: come again? |
| 13:34.57 | str3 | >2008+6 >not knowing what i said |
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| 13:35.36 | shovel_boss | ok |
| 13:35.42 | str3 | :-) |
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| 13:35.45 | shovel_boss | i have an recursive error fault at booting |
| 13:35.51 | shovel_boss | and it isnt booting |
| 13:35.52 | doublehp_ | petn-randall: that's really funny: when a new realese is out, every one forget how to use an older version, even when things are ... exactly identical as before. I use cpufreq since 2002, and syntax never changed in 12y |
| 13:35.57 | shovel_boss | it just stays like that |
| 13:36.07 | shovel_boss | i can load recovery mode and get root console |
| 13:36.09 | doublehp_ | petn-randall: ls, pwd, uname, make, mkfs ... didn't change either in 14y |
| 13:36.15 | shovel_boss | keep in mind im a total noob |
| 13:36.20 | petn-randall | doublehp_: No, but the bugs change ... |
| 13:36.21 | shovel_boss | can someone guide me to fix this? |
| 13:37.18 | abrotman | shovel_boss: we don't see an error ? |
| 13:37.28 | petn-randall | shovel_boss: Can you paste the exact error message you get on normal boot? A screenshot with your mobile also works for us. |
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| 13:37.57 | doublehp_ | petn-randall: you did not even try to start helping me; you just assume that, squeeze has bugs, what means that ... squeeze never works. Using this way of thinking, I can assume that, in 2020, you will say that wheeze was also bugged; so why would i update to wheeze since i know that one day you will say it has bugs ? |
| 13:38.09 | shovel_boss | i cant send the screenshot |
| 13:38.11 | shovel_boss | old mobile |
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| 13:38.19 | abrotman | shovel_boss: picpaste.com |
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| 13:38.26 | doublehp_ | petn-randall: you did not try to determine is the bug in in the distro, the conf, or the user |
| 13:38.28 | abrotman | shovel_boss: if you can't show us an error, we can't tell you much |
| 13:38.32 | shovel_boss | but it outputs hexdecimal numbers and the last line is a end trace |
| 13:39.05 | shovel_boss | also next to the hexdecimals there is "kernel-worker""kthread" and other kernel related things |
| 13:39.33 | shovel_boss | ok then i will send you a pic after about 1 hour |
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| 13:39.57 | petn-randall | doublehp_: There's IMHO no point in debugging the problem before we verify it exists in the stable release. |
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| 13:40.38 | petn-randall | doublehp_: We could spend hours looking for the bug and pinpoint it, only to find the corresponding bug report that says it's fixed in wheezy. |
| 13:40.47 | abrotman | shovel_boss: which version of Linux is this? |
| 13:41.05 | doublehp_ | petn-randall: so, you assume the bug is in the package before trying to see if it's a missconf ? |
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| 13:41.24 | shovel_boss | debian7u2 |
| 13:41.29 | shovel_boss | this time it booted |
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| 13:41.33 | shovel_boss | like 1/20 times |
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| 13:41.43 | petn-randall | doublehp_: Feel free to do it differently, I'm not stopping you. |
| 13:41.58 | shovel_boss | ill reboot again to check if it still does that |
| 13:42.33 | doublehp_ | petn-randall: I susually try to understand how things work, before assuming that 100% packages are written by stupidly dumb coders |
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| 13:43.10 | doublehp_ | petn-randall: if you always asume that packages are broken, you don't need to install any package, cause ... time will proove that all packages you are currently using are ... bugged |
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| 13:44.22 | shovel_boss | Nope |
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| 13:44.27 | shovel_boss | its still happening |
| 13:44.39 | shovel_boss | but there is 1/20 chance that it will boot |
| 13:45.53 | pav5088 | shovel_boss, I had an issue yesterday with faulty hardware... have you eg. downloaded Ultimate Boot CD and checked RAM and hard disk for faults? |
| 13:46.20 | shovel_boss | nope |
| 13:46.30 | shovel_boss | the hdd is old 7 years |
| 13:46.35 | shovel_boss | and i havent used it for 5 years |
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| 13:48.08 | pav5088 | shovel_boss, checking the hard disk might be good then... use the hard disk checking utility from the correct manufacturer, and perhaps any defects can be "repaired"... the HDD firmware can remap a small amount of physical damage and still work fine. |
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| 13:48.41 | shovel_boss | ok |
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| 13:49.58 | pav5088 | Ultimate Boot CD contains checking utilities for all the major manufacturers (Western Digital, Seagate etc...) |
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| 13:51.20 | pav5088 | shovel_boss, you might want to check your RAM first though... no use attempting anything if your RAM is corrupted. UBCD contains utilities to do that also. |
| 13:51.44 | shovel_boss | my ram is brand new |
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| 13:51.52 | shovel_boss | it got shipped 5 days ago |
| 13:52.03 | abrotman | That doesn't mean a damn thing |
| 13:52.09 | shovel_boss | ok |
| 13:53.05 | pav5088 | shovel_boss, well... it's probably not faulty... but still, there's no guarantees. Most decent whitebox manufacturers do an overnight hardware burnin test to check no hardware is DOA |
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| 14:15.19 | petn-randall | doublehp_: That's not what I said. You have to upgrade to wheezy in the next 4 months anyway, and I don't see any point in debugging a problem that might not exist in our current stable release. All the other things you just made up and decided to attribute them to me. |
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| 14:18.12 | petn-randall | shovel_boss: I already had a few RAM chips that where broken on arrival. It's fairly easy to check. |
| 14:18.34 | shovel_boss | k |
| 14:18.39 | shovel_boss | im downloading ubcd |
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| 14:25.21 | suy | Ok, this is the problem I had: http://paste.debian.net/76588/ That's scp -v. I'm also attempting to use pscp, and the behaviour is the same. The file is created on the other side, but with 0 bytes. And the transfer is stalled. |
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| 14:28.34 | doublehp_ | petn-randall: http://askubuntu.com/questions/303882/maximum-cpu-frequency-stuck-at-low-value => /sys/module/processor/parameters/ignore_ppc |
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| 14:28.50 | doublehp_ | petn-randall: so ... absolutely nothing to do with bugged or outdated packages |
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| 14:40.08 | maroloccio | tab completion has stopped working on my debian machine.. |
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| 14:41.56 | DammitJim | ugh, this is driving me crazy! What the heck is sftp vs ftp vs scp? |
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| 14:42.04 | DammitJim | I thought scp was the same as sftp |
| 14:42.41 | DammitJim | FileZilla (whatever it is that the previous IT guys used) says Protocol: SFTP - SSH File Transfer Protocol |
| 14:42.45 | maroloccio | i haven't changed bashrc profile bash_profile or anything apart from updating the system.. if i remove the bash-completion package, everythings works again |
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| 14:43.07 | DammitJim | funny |
| 14:44.06 | pfote | DammitJim: ftps and sftp are completely different things, one is ssh file copy, other is ftp over a ssl/tls tunnel |
| 14:44.36 | DammitJim | OMG... what is ftps (that wasn't on my list of 3)! LOL |
| 14:44.49 | pfote | (but dont ask me which is what, i always mix them) |
| 14:44.52 | DammitJim | ok, it seems that this SFTP - SSH File Transfer Protocol is basically SCP over port 22 |
| 14:44.59 | DammitJim | LOL, thanks pfote |
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| 14:45.43 | pfote | then ftps must be the tunneled ftp version :-) |
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| 15:04.13 | queso | I'm using x2go via the x2go debian repositories. I keep getting GPG errors in apt. How can I fix this? |
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| 15:13.33 | petn-randall | queso: http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/wiki:repositories:debian <-- you probably missed the step of adding the key? |
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| 15:14.11 | petn-randall | queso: You'll have to provide us with the exact error message before we can say for sure. Can you paste the full output to http://paste.debian.net? |
| 15:15.09 | petn-randall | queso: Then again x2go is already in Debian, so you don't really need their repositories. |
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| 15:30.21 | tensorpudding | The guide in mozilla.debian.org told me to add some unstable repositories for iceweasel. |
| 15:30.48 | tensorpudding | I didn't notice, and now I think I have a lot of unstable packages. |
| 15:31.26 | tensorpudding | How can I tell it to stop doing that, without having to remove that repository? |
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| 15:32.35 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: emove the repository. |
| 15:32.51 | tensorpudding | jhutchins: But then I can't get updates for iceweasel. |
| 15:33.12 | tensorpudding | I feel like pinning should be able to do what I want, but I don't know how. |
| 15:33.38 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: I don't see anywhere that it says to add an unstable repository. |
| 15:34.12 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: It says to add the mdn repository, that's all. |
| 15:34.24 | tensorpudding | That's for wheezy, I'm running jessie. |
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| 15:35.12 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: From what I can tell, pinning is a deprecated system that hasn't really been useful since late Etch. Mixing releases has been a bad idea as long as I've been working with Debian (which is since etech). |
| 15:35.34 | tensorpudding | I didn't want to have to run jessie, but it was the less evil choice. |
| 15:35.45 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: unstable and experimental. Man, that'll make a mess. |
| 15:36.35 | jhutchins | Oh well, it was only testing anyway. |
| 15:36.43 | tensorpudding | This hardware is just so unsuited to wheezy. |
| 15:37.08 | simon_q | guys I have just upgraded to wheezy on a software raid1 the partitions are all there but I cant get it to reboot I have booted off a live image but cant get it working any good tips of where to look please ? |
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| 15:37.35 | tensorpudding | But anyway, can pinning make it so that it won't install experimental/unstable packages unless I explicitly tell it to? |
| 15:37.59 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: I'm not sure what to do in your case. They way they have it set up, if you run an update all your main packages will be sid or experimental. |
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| 15:38.30 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: At least as I understand the system. It's not like backports, which automatically de-prioritize their packages. |
| 15:39.11 | arthurfiggis | hello :) this is probably a silly question, but i installed the kde "spin" of debian and i've been thinking of trying gnome for its screen reader support...the speech-synthesized install was great and i've heard that gnome has much better screen reading than kde...how could i go about installing the entire debian gnome "desktop?" |
| 15:39.22 | arthurfiggis | (ideally without blowing everything else up :P) |
| 15:39.55 | tensorpudding | Nothings broken so I think if I just disable it things will be fine. jessie packages will eventually replace the unstable/experimental packages, I figure, since jessie won't be frozen for a good time yet. |
| 15:39.55 | jhutchins | !install gnome |
| 15:39.55 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 15:40.51 | arthurfiggis | jhutchins: ahh ok, great...i saw a bunch of meta-packages and i wasn't sure which one to start with, thanks :) |
| 15:41.49 | arthurfiggis | although i installed libreoffice from their own official .deb's and i remember gnome in debian pulls in libreoffice as a dependency...not sure how i'd get around that :( |
| 15:42.15 | jhutchins | arthurfiggis: I think the system will handle it ok. |
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| 15:42.46 | jhutchins | arthurfiggis: The only time there's really a problem handling third-party packages properly is if their versioning doesn't sync with the official versions. |
| 15:43.07 | arthurfiggis | jhutchins: aptitude seems like it provides sensible choices when a conflict comes up, plus it actually describes visually what it's going to do very well...i'll probably give it a try anyway and see what happens, at worst it'll suggest something awful and i'll press Q :) |
| 15:43.14 | jhutchins | ie upgrading if you have a lot of deb.multimedia.org |
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| 15:44.11 | arthurfiggis | jhutchins: ahh, gotcha...yes, i tend to use debian's own repositories exclusively...at one point some of the essentials i needed (i.e. nvidia drivers) were just too old, but the backports people have done a great job of making debian work on "bleeding edge" hardware :) |
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| 15:44.29 | arthurfiggis | so might not be much of a problem at all! |
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| 15:45.22 | ksalman | why do i need to sometimes need to do a 'apt-get install debian-archive-keyring'? |
| 15:45.37 | ksalman | have the keys expired or something? |
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| 15:46.16 | arthurfiggis | ksalman: hm...i run debian wheezy (or i have for a few months, so i'm not an expert :) )...i haven't come across a situation where i had to explicitly install that package though? |
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| 15:46.34 | arthurfiggis | i suppose if you're using testing or unstable there could be something going on there :) |
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| 15:47.06 | Mikaela | I haven't ever encountered that issue and I have used Sid probably almost year. |
| 15:47.15 | ksalman | hm |
| 15:48.29 | ksalman | This is on squeeze specifically though I think i have noticed on wheezy if i am not mistaken. Sometimes when I do a 'apt-get update' i get this GPG error The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 |
| 15:48.41 | ksalman | which is fixed by 'apt-get install debian-archive-keyring' |
| 15:49.09 | arthurfiggis | ksalman: perhaps (this would be a pain but it's all i can think of :P), you could go through your dpkg logs in /var/log and see if debian-archive-keyring is being removed by something? |
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| 15:50.03 | arthurfiggis | ksalman: hmm...i've seen errors like that before with external repositories that were a bit out of sync occasionally, i'm not sure what could be causing it in that case though :( |
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| 15:50.19 | mwallacesd | Hi there. |
| 15:50.58 | ksalman | I checked the apt log and debian-archive-keyring wasn't removed |
| 15:51.22 | ksalman | I suspect the gpg keys are updated or something but it's all speculation :P |
| 15:52.41 | arthurfiggis | ksalman: unfortunately speculating is all i could do in this case as well :( but someone here might have a better idea of how the keyrings work and why it might be popping up errors, i'm sure...so stick around at least! :) |
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| 15:52.59 | ksalman | arthurfiggis: thanks =) |
| 15:53.52 | queso | petn-randall: Ah, thanks! |
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| 15:54.03 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: I think this is something we should bring up with some of the more experienced guys on here if we can catch them. |
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| 15:54.30 | abrotman | blinks |
| 15:54.44 | Phoebus | Debian was from my first loved distros, due to the simplicity and openness. Whatever I do, somehow I end up back into it. Hello again Deb-ers :) |
| 15:54.57 | abrotman | jhutchins: regarding the pinning? |
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| 15:56.56 | tensorpudding | jhutchins: Eh, I guess it's no big deal to just disable the iceweasel repo |
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| 15:57.54 | abrotman | or not ... |
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| 16:00.19 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: Disable the unstable and experimental ones, leave the iceweasel one in place. |
| 16:00.27 | jhutchins | !partial downgrade |
| 16:00.27 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
| 16:00.46 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: That would be the procedure for removing the things installed from the other repos. |
| 16:00.58 | freetz | we're pxebooting debian initrds on a diskless cluster, and having trouble getting reliable ethernet device enumeration. I thought it was a udev issue, since no rules exist in the image |
| 16:01.09 | freetz | i added the persistent-net-generator empty rule |
| 16:01.13 | freetz | still having the problem |
| 16:01.21 | freetz | i'm wondering if it's even a udev issue |
| 16:01.27 | freetz | any thoughts? |
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| 16:03.58 | ruukasu | is there any way to set up a truecrypt-esque hidden volume in the debian installer, so that one password leads to one operating system and another password leads to a second operating system, with plausible deniability of the existence of the inner volume? |
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| 16:14.07 | hassen | is Synaptic the same main package manager for Debian-based distros? |
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| 16:15.25 | nkuttler | hassen: aptitude is the official one in Debian afaik.. |
| 16:15.43 | hassen | nkuttler: ah..i meant the GUI one |
| 16:16.23 | nkuttler | hassen: i wouldn't know |
| 16:16.50 | keith4 | how do I change init scripts to make networking stop *after* unmounting filesystems? I have a box that mounts librbd (ceph) filesystems, and when I reboot it... networking stops before the filesystems are unmounted, which is a problem |
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| 16:18.32 | mtn | hassen: yes, synaptic is used in most debian-based distros and even at least one non-debian distro |
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| 16:19.37 | hassen | mtn: i see |
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| 16:19.48 | Balthazar74 | Hi! |
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| 16:21.06 | Balthazar74 | How to change time at 12 hour in date? |
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| 16:21.17 | Natio | Hello all :) |
| 16:21.39 | hassen | Balthazar74: gnome? |
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| 16:23.15 | mtn | hassen: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html |
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| 16:23.40 | hassen | mtn: understood,thanks |
| 16:24.00 | mtn | hassen: probably more info than you want, but pretty informative |
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| 16:25.24 | Balthazar74 | hassen: No, fluxbox ;) In the Fluxbox's displays correct 12 hour time. |
| 16:25.45 | hassen | Balthazar74: ok |
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| 16:26.47 | Balthazar74 | hassen: date (in console) display 24 hour time. How to change it? |
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| 16:27.18 | lawr | Is it worth upgrading to jessie from wheezy? |
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| 16:28.54 | Balthazar74 | lawr: What you want to achieve? |
| 16:28.59 | hassen | Balthazar74: you want to change the time format fro 24 format to 12 AM/PM one? |
| 16:29.26 | Balthazar74 | hassen: Yes |
| 16:29.27 | lawr | Balthazar74: a more up to date system, as obviously package updates aren't avaliable in wheezy |
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| 16:29.31 | lawr | this is for a desktop |
| 16:29.41 | lawr | stability isn't really important |
| 16:29.45 | maxorator | why does debian 7.3 throw "gnome 3 failed to load" when installed on virtualbox or vmware? |
| 16:29.45 | jhutchins | Balthazar74: you're talking about the output of the command "date"? |
| 16:30.05 | jhutchins | Balthazar74: sorry |
| 16:30.11 | jhutchins | hassen: you're talking about the output of the command "date"? |
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| 16:30.45 | mtn | maxorator: acceleration isn't turned on? |
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| 16:31.32 | lawr | Is jessie stable enough to use? |
| 16:31.53 | maxorator | mtn, currently testing on virtualbox, disabled, gonna try enabling it |
| 16:32.59 | Balthazar74 | date command with "switch" +"%r" correct display 12 hours time. |
| 16:33.13 | petern_ | lawr, what do you think stable means? |
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| 16:34.08 | lawr | it isn't a hard question |
| 16:34.24 | Balthazar74 | lawr: Hah :D |
| 16:34.26 | lawr | I'm asking if it will work with few errors on desktop, if it is safe to use without many problems |
| 16:34.55 | ctmjr | if your asking then no |
| 16:35.00 | mtn | lawr: maybe |
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| 16:35.07 | rozie | lawr: why not unstable? |
| 16:35.23 | lawr | jessie is unstable.. |
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| 16:35.24 | lawr | ? |
| 16:35.31 | darsie | sid is unstable. |
| 16:35.32 | Balthazar74 | lawr: Whats? |
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| 16:35.43 | lawr | oh shit |
| 16:35.47 | lawr | I mean testing xD |
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| 16:36.39 | rozie | so once again. why not unstable? |
| 16:37.10 | rozie | OTOH why not stable + backports? |
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| 16:37.57 | lawr | rozie: because unstable is.. unstabel |
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| 16:38.31 | wsky | i never had any issues with sid |
| 16:38.36 | rozie | lawr: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/20/5-reasons-why-debian-unstable-does-not-deserve-its-name/ |
| 16:38.51 | rozie | and: testing is probably the worst choice |
| 16:39.01 | ksalman | 404 |
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| 16:39.32 | ksalman | nvm |
| 16:39.33 | rozie | ksalman: works fine here |
| 16:39.43 | ksalman | yea, sorry |
| 16:39.45 | Balthazar74 | rozie: Debian unstable maybe include errors... |
| 16:40.00 | rozie | so does testing... |
| 16:40.21 | rozie | and you do not have latest security fixes in testing for sure |
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| 16:41.20 | wsky | so |
| 16:41.30 | wsky | i got debian stable on openvz vps |
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| 16:41.37 | wsky | what's when it goes EOL |
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| 16:42.14 | Balthazar74 | rozie: Or you add debian security repos |
| 16:42.24 | wsky | i know it's gonna be oldstable for a couple of years |
| 16:42.30 | wsky | but what then |
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| 16:42.56 | wsky | will i be able to ugrade an openvz vm via apt? |
| 16:43.12 | wsky | i mean dist-upgrade |
| 16:43.23 | rozie | wsky: to what? |
| 16:43.31 | ChibaPet | wsky: Yes, you will, as long as you remember that you're using the host kernel. |
| 16:43.35 | wsky | to future stable |
| 16:43.51 | wsky | ChibaPet: yeah, gotcha |
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| 16:44.44 | rozie | and only if new Debian will work with older kernel (it should) |
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| 16:44.59 | wsky | i'm worried about udev |
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| 16:45.10 | wsky | but yeah it's stimm 3+ years |
| 16:45.14 | wsky | still* |
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| 16:46.34 | Phoebus | wsky, yeah done distro update on openvz, worked fine. |
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| 16:46.47 | wsky | Phoebus: ok, cool |
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| 17:01.20 | arthurfiggis | if one were to install a kernel from backports, would you aptitude -t wheezy-backports install the relevant meta-package, or do you have to explicitly state which version and so on? |
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| 17:03.05 | antithesis | Hello |
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| 17:07.02 | poekie1981 | hello can some one me tell about security about debian 7 is it save without a firewall |
| 17:07.02 | petn-randall | arthurfiggis: Either way works. Installing the meta-package will make sure you always have the most current backports package installed, while picking the version will give you just that. |
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| 17:08.03 | petn-randall | poekie1981: By default it doesn't install any network service, so it should be pretty safe in that regard. You can try 'ufw' if you want something that looks like personal firewall. |
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| 17:09.16 | arthurfiggis | petn-randall: ahh, ok...i probably want to track the most recent version in backports like everything else :) hopefully i won't have any trouble with the nvidia drivers...the wiki on installing them in wheezy leaves out a couple of steps :( |
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| 17:10.30 | poekie1981 | thank you a shall look at that |
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| 17:11.06 | poekie1981 | its does not work task not fount says the teminal |
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| 17:12.10 | mtn | poekie1981: if you are using a router it usually has a firewall running in it, so no need for one on your computer |
| 17:12.51 | antithesis | When I try to install something with apt, I get the following error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6763020/ . This is seemingly caused by the fact that I ran a script that goes through a list of packages and installs them, but the exact cause is not quit clear. When I tried to remove all those packages, apt told me that none of them were installed, so it failed installing even one of the packages. |
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| 17:12.56 | poekie1981 | yes a have a router in my modem is that save for me |
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| 17:13.16 | antithesis | As for the script, it is trivial and I don't see what's wrong with it. Here are the script and package list, just in case. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6763040/ |
| 17:13.22 | guest442 | i thought that debian came with a default iptables configuration. is this not enough for a baseline firewall? |
| 17:13.35 | daemonkeeper | It does not. |
| 17:14.15 | guest442 | good to know ty. |
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| 17:15.41 | poekie1981 | mtn are you there |
| 17:15.54 | mtn | poekie1981: yes |
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| 17:16.11 | poekie1981 | have you see my qaston |
| 17:16.49 | mtn | poekie1981: what? are you safe? well, does the router have a firewall? if so, you don't need a firewall on your computer |
| 17:16.50 | poekie1981 | is my system save |
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| 17:17.33 | mtn | poekie1981: more security info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware |
| 17:17.36 | berarma | antithesis: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 17:18.11 | guest442 | poekie1981: this is a good tutorial on UFW. https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-setup-a-firewall-with-ufw-on-an-ubuntu-and-debian-cloud-server |
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| 17:18.21 | antithesis | berarma http://paste.ubuntu.com/6763092/ |
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| 17:21.50 | poekie1981 | thanks it works now |
| 17:22.38 | Balthazar74 | Console command "date" time show 24 hour format. How do I change it to 12 hours format? |
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| 17:24.08 | ScottE | Balthazar74: man date and look at the FORMAT section. Everything you need to know is well documented there |
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| 17:24.59 | poekie1981 | Creating config file /etc/ufw/after6.rules with new version whats dis |
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| 17:26.14 | berarma | antithesis: my guess is you're running a mix of testing/unstable, that may lead to problems |
| 17:26.17 | poekie1981 | is the uwv now instald |
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| 17:26.51 | guest442 | you need to run: sudo ufw enable |
| 17:26.52 | CorySimmons | Is it possible to apt-get build-dep a local source? The package version is pretty old but it should have a dependency list somewhere in it shouldn't it? |
| 17:27.06 | guest442 | that will enable UFW |
| 17:27.08 | poekie1981 | mtn have you seen |
| 17:27.38 | poekie1981 | is it not instald |
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| 17:29.00 | guest442 | if you installed it with that command its installed. |
| 17:29.02 | Balthazar74 | ScottE: I read man... :/ So... From root account: date +%r (%r locale's 12-hour clock time (e.g., 11:11:04 PM) |
| 17:29.07 | guest442 | you have to enable UFW |
| 17:29.18 | guest442 | follow the tutorial i gave. its just a bit of reading. |
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| 17:29.53 | poekie1981 | thnks the tetminal says firewall is actif |
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| 17:30.13 | guest442 | to get you up and going just run three commands. enable, deny incoming, allow outgoing. |
| 17:30.29 | guest442 | you can tweak it more but for basic install thats all you need. |
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| 17:30.48 | guest442 | poekie1981: you are welcome. |
| 17:31.00 | poekie1981 | is it so alright |
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| 17:32.35 | Balthazar74 | Why date +%r no shows dates in 12 hour format? |
| 17:33.28 | Balthazar74 | Zero reaction, null :/ |
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| 17:33.58 | poekie1981 | guest442 is it so good |
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| 17:35.56 | Balthazar74 | ScottE: Have you some ideas? |
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| 17:37.09 | guest442 | poekie1981: what commands did you run after installing ufw? |
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| 17:37.40 | ScottE | Balthazar74: works fine for me. Try "+%I", if that works just build up your own format string I guess. |
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| 17:38.01 | poekie1981 | i dont no enymore |
| 17:38.02 | jelly | Balthazar74: perhaps your chosen locale does not have a 12hour format at all? dunno |
| 17:38.19 | poekie1981 | but that system says firewall is actif |
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| 17:39.50 | jelly | Balthazar74: did you mean "time" when you wrote "dates"? |
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| 17:40.12 | Balthazar74 | jelly: of course time |
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| 17:41.16 | jelly | Balthazar74: you have have any of these locale environment variables set: LC_ALL, LANG, LC_TIME? |
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| 17:42.14 | jelly | Balthazar74: if you do, does running "LC_ALL= LC_TIME=C date +%r" differ from just "date +%r"? |
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| 17:44.45 | bakteria_ | Hi, need some help with network for a lenovo t440s. lspci says its intel 155a |
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| 17:46.59 | antithesis | berarma the only package not in the distribution I've installed, is a newer version of notion |
| 17:47.21 | guest442 | poekie1981: run these two commands: first command: sudo ufw default deny incoming second command: sudo ufw default allow outgoing |
| 17:47.39 | antithesis | I'm pretty sure it's related to the script or package list, though, since the same problem happened to me last time I tried to install a list of packages with that script |
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| 17:49.18 | Okee | I having problems reading pdf documents from the /tmp buffer. At first I thought this was a problem with the encoding, but now I am nto sure. I only see a bunch of computer code. The pdf in the tmp folder was the result of a download from a url. I tried using one of those online .doc to .pdf converters, but didn't have a satisfactory result. I found the code had jumped from its original place. I ended up going into windows, and usin |
| 17:49.21 | Okee | g Foxit reader/printer, to print the .doc file as a pdf. It would be nice if I could do this in linux as well. |
| 17:49.28 | ScottE | antithesis: The weird thing is that error about -r doing being a valid option to mv - might want to check that you don't have some weird alias or script in your path for 'mv'? |
| 17:49.40 | Balthazar74 | jelly: I haven't got this variables... |
| 17:49.41 | Okee | One thing I forgot to mention is that the file in the /tmp folder is being opened with gedit instead of a pdf file. |
| 17:49.44 | ScottE | antithesis: ack, sorry - about -r not being a valid option... |
| 17:49.46 | mtn | bakteria_: what kind of network help? |
| 17:50.00 | antithesis | ScottE Eh, it's true, no? |
| 17:50.03 | bakteria_ | mtn: ethernet to begin with |
| 17:50.03 | antithesis | Lemme check |
| 17:50.15 | bakteria_ | I've tried the e100 and e1000 modules |
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| 17:51.27 | mtn | bakteria_: https://wiki.debian.org/Network and https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 17:52.01 | jelly | Balthazar74: care to pastebin the output of "echo env; env; echo locale; locale; echo C locale; LC_ALL= LC_TIME=C date +%r; echo normal locale; date +%r' |
| 17:52.14 | ScottE | antithesis: Well my mv certainly doesn't have that option (testing/Jessie, mv 8.21) |
| 17:52.14 | jelly | nope |
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| 17:53.33 | bakteria_ | mtn: yeah I already checked |
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| 17:54.35 | mtn | bakteria_: type lspci -nn in terminal and paste it to http://paste.debian.net and give me the link |
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| 17:55.05 | bakteria_ | mtn: will be hard to do since I dont have any network on the thing |
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| 17:55.26 | bakteria_ | but I can type it the relevant stuff |
| 17:55.34 | bakteria_ | standby |
| 17:55.39 | mtn | bakteria_: that will do. the network card lines |
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| 17:57.38 | russoisraeli | hello, I am running Debian Squeeze. Worked fine with the default Intel video card. I put in an Nvidia card. Installed nvidia-gfx. Now, I can't even boot to single user mode. After the kernel finishes booting, and it enters runlevel 2, the screen goes blank. Any idea what I can do? |
| 17:58.27 | nkuttler | russoisraeli: boot into single user mode and remove the nvidia driver? |
| 17:58.43 | wsky | any ops around? |
| 17:58.46 | str3 | yes |
| 17:58.48 | nkuttler | wsky: why do you ask? |
| 17:58.54 | russoisraeli | nkuttler - yeah, but I can't.... added "single" to the kernel boot line in grub, but nothing :) |
| 17:59.22 | russoisraeli | it still tries to do something graphics related |
| 17:59.25 | wsky | nkuttler: i got insulted without a reason by a regional debian community channel operator again |
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| 17:59.40 | nkuttler | russoisraeli: init=/bin/sh |
| 17:59.46 | russoisraeli | ok, let me try |
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| 18:00.21 | nkuttler | wsky: you should try to talk to him first, and then see who is the channel founder |
| 18:00.38 | wsky | nkuttler: i've set ignore on him |
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| 18:00.55 | russoisraeli | nkuttler - thanks! much better! |
| 18:00.55 | wsky | nkuttler: i wont talk to a sociall margin |
| 18:00.56 | nkuttler | wsky: ignoring ops won't get you anywhere |
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| 18:01.06 | wsky | nkuttler: well he insulted me when i said hi |
| 18:01.14 | wsky | nkuttler: how would you react |
| 18:01.31 | nkuttler | wsky: i neither know the entire story nor do i care about it.. |
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| 18:01.49 | wsky | nkuttler: this attitude wont get you anywhere |
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| 18:02.05 | antithesis | ScottE it's not due to an alias. I've created a new account and exactly the same thing happens |
| 18:02.17 | antithesis | I've also checked /root/.bashrc . Nothing special there. |
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| 18:03.03 | nkuttler | wsky: i don't need to know about your personal drama to be able to help you, but you don't want my input. that's fine |
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| 18:04.29 | wsky | nkuttler: well i'm complaining about people in the community that are lower in ranks and use their op privilages to horrass users |
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| 18:04.44 | wsky | nkuttler: does this sound right to you? |
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| 18:06.32 | kRush | what did he call you? |
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| 18:06.44 | str3 | a wsky maybe |
| 18:06.57 | wsky | kRush: this does not translate well to english |
| 18:07.07 | str3 | what language did he use? |
| 18:07.13 | wsky | polish. |
| 18:07.53 | str3 | dzien dobry |
| 18:08.05 | ChibaPet | wsky: Sounds more like something to take up with the folks running Freenode, rather than in here, but I really don't know that you'll have a lot of luck either way, unfortunately. |
| 18:08.19 | wsky | tehy don't care as well |
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| 18:08.53 | str3 | wsky: /ignore is your best option |
| 18:09.08 | wsky | i just don't visit polsih channel much anymore |
| 18:09.12 | wsky | channels |
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| 18:09.18 | wsky | waste of good mood |
| 18:09.23 | str3 | ok |
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| 18:09.46 | ChibaPet | wsky: It's IRC. Better to use /ignore or avoid the channels/people however it works out best. Remember that it's a mostly anonymous network and people will feel emboldened to say things they'd never dare say in person. You have to expect this to be an unfortunate part of the ecosystem here and either learn to deal with it or work to avoid it. |
| 18:10.24 | str3 | pushes ChibaPet into a furnace |
| 18:10.29 | kRush | and don't ever play dota2 :< |
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| 18:10.34 | xter1010 | if i'm going to learn one or the other should i go with iptables or pf? |
| 18:10.35 | bakteria_ | mtn: http://paste.debian.net/76620/ |
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| 18:10.39 | bakteria_ | mtn: sorry for delay |
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| 18:12.06 | nkuttler | xter1010: kfreebsd? |
| 18:13.50 | mtn | bakteria_: so, if you click on the network manger icon, no cards or networks are seen? |
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| 18:15.16 | xter1010 | nkuttler: cool i didn't know about kfreebsd. isn't that an entire OS though? i just need to firewall software like ufw but you don' tlearn anything just using ufw |
| 18:16.24 | nkuttler | xter1010: ah, well, you asked about pf, so i assumed.. |
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| 18:16.32 | nkuttler | xter1010: i just use iptables |
| 18:16.52 | bakteria_ | mtn: in network connctions there is a wired connection but its on no network connection |
| 18:17.44 | xter1010 | nkuttler: do you do it by hand or use something like fwbuilder? |
| 18:18.08 | nkuttler | xter1010: iptables-permanent, and i edit the rules file |
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| 18:18.38 | Greek | hello everyone |
| 18:18.41 | mtn | bakteria_: cable connections or use a different cable? |
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| 18:19.04 | Greek | im facing error with update-rc.d |
| 18:19.05 | Greek | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 18:19.06 | Greek | update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match ssh Default-Stop values (none) |
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| 18:19.51 | nkuttler | Greek: warnings aren't errors |
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| 18:20.20 | Greek | nkuttler, whatever is that i need to fix it :( |
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| 18:20.27 | ompaul | you don't |
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| 18:20.32 | ompaul | it works |
| 18:20.36 | ompaul | it works well |
| 18:20.43 | Greek | how come |
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| 18:20.55 | Greek | what was these warnings for ? |
| 18:21.06 | Myrtti | warnings aren't errors |
| 18:21.09 | ompaul | because those levels are for single user mode no networks |
| 18:21.19 | ompaul | and off and reboot |
| 18:21.26 | ompaul | Myrtti: hiiiiaya |
| 18:21.30 | bakteria_ | mtn: the cable works the installer wont detect network module |
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| 18:21.45 | Myrtti | _o> |
| 18:22.07 | ompaul | that looks like a duck sailing to the right :) |
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| 18:22.28 | ompaul | must get the old mans guide to smilies |
| 18:22.28 | mtn | bakteria_: so the installer can't see any network? or do you already have debian installed? |
| 18:22.49 | bakteria_ | mtn: its not installed |
| 18:22.51 | ompaul | Greek: so, sshd doesn't run on init 1 - or - 0 or 6 |
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| 18:23.32 | ompaul | Greek: I could set your box up to give warnings about phases of the moon on runlevel 0 again not great, but you know, no real consequence |
| 18:23.37 | mtn | bakteria_: so what is it you are referring to that shows the network, but won't connect? |
| 18:23.57 | Greek | ssh |
| 18:24.01 | koell1 | can someone recommend me a good umts-usb-modem which also works in debian/ubuntu? i've tried the huawei e220 as well as the e182 but on both devices i got lot of disconnects. |
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| 18:24.23 | bakteria_ | its a live disc |
| 18:24.43 | Greek | ompaul, is that warnings normal |
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| 18:25.09 | ompaul | Greek: yes, it would be better if it wasn't here, but it has no impact on the operation of your box. |
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| 18:25.28 | ompaul | Greek: yes, so expending energy on it when there are other things to do is a waste of time. |
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| 18:25.40 | Greek | Thanks ompaul |
| 18:25.43 | mtn | bakteria_: maybe you should try this installer: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 18:29.03 | bakteria_ | mtn: will do, thx for the help |
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| 18:30.32 | russoisraeli | I followed these precise instructions for my Geforce 6200.... https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy ... however I still get a blank screen after " |
| 18:31.07 | russoisraeli | entering runlevel 2.... |
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| 18:31.07 | russoisraeli | :( |
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| 18:31.08 | ompaul | Greek: np |
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| 18:36.59 | ctmjr | russoisraeli: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:38.49 | russoisraeli | ctmjr ... this would be difficult, as I cannot enter networking mode... let me try |
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| 18:40.35 | wols_ | russoisraeli: which driver package did you install? |
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| 18:42.09 | relipse | How do I find an ssh key for www-data user? I'm trying to authorize www-data to do "git pull" |
| 18:42.42 | rudi_s | relipse: You generate it. |
| 18:42.56 | relipse | I think another admin may of already generated it |
| 18:43.41 | rudi_s | relipse: Then look in www-data's home directory. |
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| 18:43.54 | relipse | there is no home directory for www-data |
| 18:43.55 | ompaul | in .ssh if it exists but most likely they didn't |
| 18:43.55 | ompaul | cos that would be a bad idea |
| 18:43.55 | wols_ | there is /var/www but putting .ssh there is not such a good idea imho |
| 18:43.55 | relipse | i know thats what i'm saying |
| 18:43.55 | ompaul | you don't want your web with a shell |
| 18:43.55 | relipse | is there a way to force a user to have a ssh key |
| 18:43.55 | rudi_s | relipse: grep www-data /etc/passwd disagrees |
| 18:43.55 | ompaul | relipse: so you got other users on the box |
| 18:44.07 | ompaul | rudi_s: and noshell ? |
| 18:44.10 | ompaul | or false |
| 18:44.15 | rudi_s | relipse: Then ask the admin who generated it. |
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| 18:44.19 | rudi_s | Still, it has a home directory. |
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| 18:44.30 | rudi_s | It just can't use a shell. |
| 18:44.36 | rudi_s | s/use/login with/ |
| 18:46.22 | russoisraeli | wols_, ctmjr - exactly the version as described in the wiki..... well, I might have solved the problem....turned off acpi on boot.....but why......???? |
| 18:46.35 | ompaul | www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/usr/sbin/nologin |
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| 18:47.12 | ompaul | relipse: you get some other user to do the grab of files and then have them moved locally by a cron job do some magic with users but I'd be less inclined to do that |
| 18:47.47 | russoisraeli | wols_, ctmjr - this is a Dell OptiPlex GX270.... |
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| 18:55.19 | iio7 | I have debian testing installed on cubox (arm). I have a seagate usb hd attached and I boot from that. The seagate disk has internal spin down on idle, but something keeps the disk running. How do I go about figuring out what's spinning up the drive? |
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| 18:58.18 | jhutchins | iio7: It's probably something that's writing log entries. |
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| 18:58.47 | jhutchins | iio7: You might look at some of the optimizations that are done for SSDs or USB drives. |
| 18:59.07 | iio7 | I tried using iotop to monitor disk activity, but the only thing that keeps popping up is "jbd2". |
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| 19:00.48 | atrapado | iio7 may be useful adding commit=60 to the mount options to only commit changes to disk every 60 seconds or so... |
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| 19:03.23 | ac_slater | hey guys, when creating a package, I have two bins that I want to rename on install. As in I have `bin/pkg-arm` and `bin/pkg-x86`. I wish I could make a src-dest mapping in the install to rename the files, but you cant. Any ideas? I might have to do some fancy stuff in the `rules` file... |
| 19:03.44 | ac_slater | (the names don't imply multiarch, they are examples) |
| 19:03.57 | rudi_s | ac_slater: Just list them in debian/install |
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| 19:05.09 | ac_slater | rudi_s: I want them to go to different places though. ie - `bin/pkg-arm /opt/arm/pkg` and `bin/pkg-x86 /opt/x86/pkg` |
| 19:05.26 | ac_slater | doing this creates directories |
| 19:05.26 | rudi_s | ac_slater: So? |
| 19:05.34 | rudi_s | bin/pkg-arm opt/arm/pkg |
| 19:05.42 | rudi_s | bin/pkg-x86 opt/x86/pkg |
| 19:05.45 | rudi_s | man dh_install |
| 19:05.48 | ac_slater | rudi_s: yea it creates the dir `opt/arm/pkg` |
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| 19:06.38 | ac_slater | rudi_s: ah right, I forgot there is a man page for each step, thanks! Your advice is much appreciated |
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| 19:10.36 | xhc_[slovakia] | reading #debian |
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| 19:14.39 | doomikus | I have plugged in my smartphone and am using KDE as the window manager, I don't see an icon on the desktop. Where is it located in the filesystem? |
| 19:14.53 | ac_slater | rudi_s: "dh_install cannot rename files or directories, it can only install them with the name they already have..." |
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| 19:15.11 | guest442 | doomikus: maybe under /media |
| 19:15.16 | rudi_s | ac_slater: In that case, rename them. |
| 19:15.40 | ac_slater | rudi_s: yea simple fix: dont put both in bin/ ;) |
| 19:16.00 | rudi_s | ac_slater: If you use dh7 short rules, which you should, it's something like override_dh_install: \n mv foo bar \n mv bla baz \n dh_install |
| 19:16.06 | rudi_s | *in debian/rules |
| 19:17.10 | ac_slater | right, I do use those rules. Thanks mate |
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| 19:18.53 | doomikus | guest442: I see usb and usb0, but no contents |
| 19:20.22 | jhutchins | doomikus: run dmesg and see if it detected it. |
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| 19:23.07 | rudi_s | ac_slater: np |
| 19:23.17 | doomikus | jhutchins: I see it detected |
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| 19:26.02 | jhutchins | doomikus: As what? |
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| 19:27.12 | relipse | I'm logged in under www-data, but it wont let me cd to a directory with these permissions: drwxrw-r-x gropu www-data why not? |
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| 19:27.54 | abrotman | doomikus: what kind of phone? |
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| 19:28.30 | relipse | ls: cannot open directory .: Permission denied |
| 19:28.34 | relipse | oh |
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| 19:38.38 | ac_slater | rudi_s: I must be dense mate. `rules` file includes override_dh_install rule to move the files, it cannot find the files. I'm curious where this rule executes from and which paths it has access to |
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| 19:43.26 | doomikus | abrotman: not sure it's worth the time investment to get mtp running at the moment |
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| 19:46.32 | doomikus | people also seem to be irritated with kde and mtp in general. really, I just wanted to see how far kde came to being "not kde" and more like blackbox |
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| 19:46.37 | rudi_s | ac_slater: export DH_VERBOSE = 1 on the top and run dpkg-buildpackage and you'll see what happens. You should also have a look at the documentation. |
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| 19:47.01 | HideMe | Does debian 7 work with UIEF BIOS? |
| 19:47.39 | doomikus | HideMe: UEFI, so far as I know it does but let's see what the others say |
| 19:47.45 | wols_ | yes, but not so good with secureboot |
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| 19:48.02 | ompaul | HideMe: it does, but why would you put yourself under obligation to some binary blob signed by MS? turn the it off btw it won't work on MS arm boxes they don't deflunk back to bios |
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| 19:48.29 | ac_slater | rudi_s: I usually RTFM, but with the dh_* tools, I've been having a hard time finding a collective document (or logical flow). Sorry mate. |
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| 19:49.06 | HideMe | ompaul, just seems most new motherboards use it... |
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| 19:49.19 | ompaul | HideMe: and I turn off I did three times today :) |
| 19:49.41 | unholycrab | i want to make multiple versions of packages available in my custom apt repository. i used the -m option with dpkg-scanpackages, and it doesn't complain about having multiple versions... but when i do apt-get install package=oldversion on the client side, it says that it cannot locate that version of the package |
| 19:49.47 | unholycrab | it can ony locate the latest version that i have in my apt repository |
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| 19:50.40 | HideMe | ompaul, You then loose the point click crap and default back to regular BIOS, correct? |
| 19:50.41 | rudi_s | ac_slater: The debug flag should help, then you can see what's exactly happening. |
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| 19:50.41 | unholycrab | how do i make multiple package versions available via my apt repository? |
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| 19:50.41 | ompaul | HideMe: found this funky bios to be too hard to work with so I do this, I turn off windows 8 as o/s, restart it, turn it off in bios for disks one and two and then turn off atapi and fix the bios to talk to USB first (which is plugged in) and install from usb |
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| 19:50.43 | fcp13 | hia please |
| 19:50.54 | ompaul | HideMe: that's the whole idea :) |
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| 19:51.11 | fcp13 | anyone can help i trying to install in my lenovo w540 debian 7 and doesn't detect network card |
| 19:51.36 | fcp13 | the lenovo have intel pro/1000 i select that in setup and doesn't continue |
| 19:51.40 | HideMe | ompaul, So what is the downside to using it? |
| 19:51.48 | fcp13 | anyone can help? |
| 19:51.57 | ompaul | HideMe: it gets in the way |
| 19:52.13 | ompaul | HideMe: why would you use something that requires you to hack some shim crack |
| 19:52.26 | ompaul | HideMe: it's not trivial but meh I've not bothered |
| 19:52.29 | ompaul | I know someone who did |
| 19:52.36 | ompaul | he said what I said there |
| 19:52.49 | ompaul | it's not worth it |
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| 19:53.55 | unholycrab | is a multi-version apt repository even possible? so that i can specify package=version accross my environment |
| 19:54.33 | unholycrab | oh, do i need to split it into distributions? :C |
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| 19:55.40 | jordanm | unholycrab: probably |
| 19:55.58 | jordanm | unholycrab: I have never seen an apt repository with multiple versions of the same package |
| 19:56.01 | unholycrab | jordanm: are you answering yes to my latest question, or the question before it |
| 19:56.05 | jordanm | RPM repos work that way, but apt is different |
| 19:56.06 | unholycrab | ah okay |
| 19:56.29 | ompaul | unholycrab: how about http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/ look in there |
| 19:56.45 | ompaul | unholycrab: then go back to pool |
| 19:56.52 | unholycrab | then whats the point of the -m option |
| 19:57.03 | ompaul | and have lots of groovy fun wandering around grocking the non mystery that is debian ;-) |
| 19:57.19 | unholycrab | ompaul: i don't know what this is that you linked me to |
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| 19:57.41 | jordanm | ompaul: those are using different "dists" |
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| 19:58.01 | ompaul | unholycrab: that is how debian is laied out |
| 19:58.03 | jordanm | ompaul: so apt actually sees 3 repos there |
| 19:58.08 | unholycrab | actually, the setup i tried is exactly like this solution here http://askubuntu.com/a/383718 |
| 19:58.14 | halothe23 | . |
| 19:58.29 | ompaul | jordanm: ya, but I thought it was obvious when you looked in there |
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| 19:58.41 | unholycrab | however apt-get install doesn't find anything other than the latest version |
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| 19:58.54 | unholycrab | even though this lets me have multiple versions in the Packages.gz |
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| 20:00.12 | ompaul | unholycrab: perhaps setting in the apt file the version you want is how that works :) |
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| 20:01.10 | HideMe | ompaul, Anything special I need to do during the installation of Deb 7 from CD if I wanted to try UEFI? |
| 20:01.57 | segin | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539704/The-worlds-ineligible-bachelor-Iranian-wash-60-years-smokes-animal-faeces-whip-mean-decomposed-porcupine.html |
| 20:02.31 | ompaul | HideMe: sorry I didn't note the 7 (I'm getting old) you can't with 7, but here is your future worth doing to file the bug you don't see yet http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata |
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| 20:03.58 | day0 | i overfilled a mounted partition and got an overflow mounted on /tmp. now no matter how many files i remove the df reports 0 bytes available??? |
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| 20:04.34 | HideMe | ompaul, Ah okay, possible, but may fail with ver 7. |
| 20:04.57 | ompaul | HideMe: so and may fail with 8 |
| 20:05.01 | ompaul | have fun with that |
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| 20:05.16 | ompaul | HideMe: not that 8 exists as a real thing |
| 20:05.51 | ompaul | day0: you have to keep going maybe it works and maybe it doesnt |
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| 20:06.12 | ompaul | day0: you can break things that way - with your day0 crazhy crazhin |
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| 20:06.58 | day0 | it does seem odd |
| 20:07.14 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:07.54 | day0 | yes, since there is only one partition plus swap |
| 20:08.37 | day0 | i unmounted /tmp/ yet still 0 bytes |
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| 20:08.48 | ompaul | day0: cos / is still full? |
| 20:09.00 | day0 | yes |
| 20:09.08 | ompaul | day0: you got to remove the files you put there that caused the menace |
| 20:09.39 | day0 | kk ty |
| 20:09.46 | day0 | ill try that |
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| 20:11.01 | day0 | yay it worked!! |
| 20:11.51 | jhutchins | ompaul: Somebody noted earlier that the mozilla.debian.net instructions for Jessie have you add unstable and experimental repositories for main. Is there something that de-prioritizes those like backports, or is that going to mess up people's systems. |
| 20:12.18 | ompaul | experimental won't work unless you -t it for an application |
| 20:12.44 | unholycrab | ompaul: the apt-file? |
| 20:12.45 | ompaul | the unstable ... that's interesting unless they are saying that what they made works on sid testing stable |
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| 20:12.52 | unholycrab | you mean in the apt-get install package=version line? |
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| 20:13.12 | ompaul | unholycrab: well in your sources.list file you tend to stipulate where you want to go |
| 20:13.22 | ompaul | (and you try not to mix stuff that will kill your box |
| 20:13.29 | ompaul | ) |
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| 20:13.38 | ompaul | jhutchins: it shouldn't be there |
| 20:13.39 | ompaul | ime |
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| 20:13.52 | unholycrab | im not sure what you mean ompaul |
| 20:13.52 | ompaul | but I'd defer to babilen or abrotman or one of those |
| 20:14.12 | ompaul | unholycrab: when you have your /etc/apt/sources.list in there |
| 20:14.21 | ompaul | unholycrab: it tells a story |
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| 20:14.25 | unholycrab | oh really? |
| 20:14.31 | abrotman | ompaul: for ? |
| 20:14.35 | unholycrab | sorry ompaul youre going to have to be more specific |
| 20:14.47 | ompaul | unholycrab: read that https://wiki.debian.org/apt-get |
| 20:15.05 | unholycrab | wow, thanks ompaul |
| 20:15.30 | ompaul | abrotman: what jhutchins was saying about mozilla.d.n and the sources they say to add |
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| 20:15.47 | abrotman | Do I have to read the backscroll, or is a summary forthcoming? :) |
| 20:15.57 | ompaul | unholycrab: I really don't know what you are after but you can also /msg dpkg apt-get and get more info |
| 20:16.41 | abrotman | ah, yes, says to add unstable currently. options are a) do it b) do it with pinning c) backport it d) be patient |
| 20:16.45 | ompaul | abrotman: I deferred to you or ... this specifically: 20:11:51] <jhutchins> ompaul: Somebody noted earlier that the mozilla.debian.net instructions for Jessie have you add unstable and experimental repositories for main. Is there something that de-prioritizes those like backports, or is that going to mess up people's systems. |
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| 20:17.24 | abrotman | it just has you add unstable currently |
| 20:17.32 | ompaul | abrotman: so I think the answer is "meh should work" |
| 20:17.42 | ompaul | for values of meh :) |
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| 20:17.53 | abrotman | and backports pulls packages from testing AFAIK, so whatever version is in unstable that isn't in jessie wouldn't be in backports |
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| 20:18.28 | abrotman | oh, e) Manually get packages and install them |
| 20:19.30 | ompaul | abrotman: ;-) |
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| 20:20.39 | SmashingX | hi, I need to mount a drive in write mode, somebody could help me to do that please? |
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| 20:20.56 | ompaul | jhutchins: so there you go, it's in the just do it class of 95 :) |
| 20:21.02 | abrotman | SmashingX: man mount |
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| 20:22.27 | SmashingX | abrotman, I have tried to do it but everything I do fails |
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| 20:22.34 | SmashingX | so that's why I came here for help |
| 20:22.37 | ac_slater | rudi_s: overriding dh_install is not going to be as simple as I'd have hoped. |
| 20:22.41 | ompaul | unholycrab: actually was thinking about this one https://wiki.debian.org/Apt |
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| 20:23.06 | unholycrab | ompaul: we are not on the same page |
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| 20:23.15 | ompaul | unholycrab: ok |
| 20:23.22 | abrotman | SmashingX: so show us what you're trying and the error you're getting |
| 20:23.31 | abrotman | SmashingX: "HALP!" doesn't give us much to go on |
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| 20:23.48 | SmashingX | sudo mount -o rw /dev/sdb |
| 20:23.49 | SmashingX | mount: can't find /dev/sdb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 20:24.08 | ompaul | SmashingX: and where do you want to mount that ... |
| 20:24.21 | ompaul | SmashingX: that is the block device name |
| 20:24.28 | ompaul | SmashingX: it needs a destination |
| 20:24.56 | ompaul | SmashingX: mkdir /myBigMount ; mount -o rw /dev/sdb /myBigMount |
| 20:25.03 | ompaul | SmashingX: and no I didn't include sudo |
| 20:25.32 | SmashingX | sudo mount -o rw,remount /dev/sdb /media/ |
| 20:25.42 | ompaul | SmashingX: no |
| 20:25.44 | ompaul | really |
| 20:25.54 | ompaul | mount /dev/sdb /media and start there |
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| 20:26.10 | ompaul | if you need a type you can add in after that |
| 20:26.15 | unholycrab | thats what he did |
| 20:26.22 | ompaul | na |
| 20:26.23 | abrotman | you probably should have just told him that /dev/sdb wasn't the right device ... |
| 20:26.24 | ompaul | it was different |
| 20:26.27 | unholycrab | o rly |
| 20:26.40 | ompaul | ya rly :) |
| 20:26.51 | SmashingX | ? |
| 20:26.58 | SmashingX | sdb is the right devide |
| 20:27.00 | SmashingX | device |
| 20:27.03 | ompaul | SmashingX: mount /dev/sdb /media <<< and start there |
| 20:27.10 | ompaul | any error there? |
| 20:27.15 | unholycrab | loll |
| 20:27.36 | SmashingX | it says only root can do that |
| 20:27.46 | ompaul | SmashingX: so become x |
| 20:27.48 | ompaul | or use sudo |
| 20:27.54 | ompaul | where x is root |
| 20:28.08 | unholycrab | should it be /dev/sdb1 or something like that |
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| 20:28.28 | ompaul | we'll get there |
| 20:28.31 | ompaul | this is always fun |
| 20:28.39 | unholycrab | wtf |
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| 20:29.23 | ctmjr | baby steps |
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| 20:29.32 | ompaul | ya |
| 20:29.46 | ompaul | SmashingX: and then what error did you get? |
| 20:30.07 | ompaul | takes that as none |
| 20:30.18 | unholycrab | SmashingX: sudo fdisk -l |
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| 20:30.31 | ompaul | all yours :) |
| 20:30.38 | ompaul | grabs the popcorn |
| 20:30.41 | unholycrab | mkdir /somedestination |
| 20:30.55 | SmashingX | oh I know is sdb2 |
| 20:30.55 | unholycrab | sudo mount /dev/sdbX /somedestination |
| 20:30.57 | SmashingX | ok |
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| 20:31.08 | SmashingX | but it says it's mounted already |
| 20:31.09 | SmashingX | dang |
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| 20:31.37 | unholycrab | cat /etc/mtab i think |
| 20:31.39 | SmashingX | mount: warning: /media seems to be mounted read-only. |
| 20:31.48 | ompaul | mount |
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| 20:32.19 | unholycrab | you can umount /dev/sdb2 and then remount with your rw option |
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| 20:32.37 | ompaul | depends it might be a CD ... you'd never know |
| 20:32.46 | unholycrab | ompaul: how much popcorn did you make |
| 20:33.04 | ompaul | hands unholycrab a 40 gallon drum |
| 20:33.12 | SmashingX | oh man, why!? |
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| 20:33.14 | SmashingX | sudo mount -o rw /dev/sdb2 /media |
| 20:33.14 | SmashingX | mount: warning: /media seems to be mounted read-only. |
| 20:33.25 | SmashingX | read-only rly? |
| 20:33.55 | ompaul | SmashingX: paste in http://paste.debian.net the output of the following two commands mount and fdisk -l run both as root |
| 20:33.58 | unholycrab | yea don't use /media |
| 20:34.15 | unholycrab | thats probably where your cdrom mounts or something |
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| 20:38.10 | Lynysys | Hi folks I use a debian based distro - I wish to use eth0 purely for a local network and wlan0 for internet. I can use eth0 without wlan0 working, or wlan0 without eth0 plugged. But never at the same time. My routing table is here if relevant: http://pastebin.com/xEa8zBZb |
| 20:39.02 | SmashingX | http://paste.debian.net/76658/ |
| 20:39.06 | dondelelcaro | Lynysys: it's not really on topic for #debian since you're not running Debian, but generally, you cannot have two cards working at the same time |
| 20:39.29 | dondelelcaro | Lynysys: the way to get it working is to use bonding; /msg dpkg lartc; for details |
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| 20:40.46 | unholycrab | SmashingX: do you see this line; /dev/sdb2 on /home/victor/harddrive type hfsplus (ro,relatime,umask=22,uid=0,gid=0,nls=utf8) |
| 20:41.06 | Lynysys | Thank you dondelelcaro - this looks more complex that I'd imagined but I will look into it |
| 20:41.10 | unholycrab | it looks like your drive is mounted there as read-only |
| 20:41.11 | ompaul | SmashingX: it appears to be a home directory for a user called victor - so you mounted it read only - how / why if it is from boot |
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| 20:41.56 | SmashingX | I know That unholycrab |
| 20:41.58 | ompaul | SmashingX: or to put it another way, is that drive from a different system |
| 20:42.03 | unholycrab | i bet its mounted readonly because its an hfsplus volume |
| 20:42.04 | SmashingX | that's what I said earlier didn't I? |
| 20:42.25 | SmashingX | I took it from my broken macbook |
| 20:42.25 | ompaul | SmashingX: I am concerned by the fact it was mounted read only, I want to know if that was something you did, or the system did |
| 20:42.39 | ompaul | SmashingX: ok |
| 20:43.40 | ompaul | SmashingX: as root umount /home/victor/harddrive |
| 20:43.41 | SmashingX | so how can I unmounted it and then mount it as in write mode? |
| 20:43.41 | SmashingX | ok |
| 20:43.41 | gluco | ompaul: its an hfs+ volume, it mounts ro by default |
| 20:43.41 | squisher | mount -o remount, rw /MOUNT-POINT |
| 20:43.46 | SmashingX | ok now ompaul? |
| 20:44.01 | squisher | should read: mount -o remount,rw /MP # no space after the comma |
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| 20:44.19 | SmashingX | ok |
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| 20:44.24 | SmashingX | I already did that with no luck |
| 20:44.34 | SmashingX | so what should I do that ompaul? |
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| 20:45.12 | unholycrab | sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdb2 /home/victor/harddrive |
| 20:45.39 | SmashingX | udo mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdb1 /home/victor/harddrive/ |
| 20:45.39 | SmashingX | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 20:46.03 | SmashingX | sorry I changed it to sdb2 |
| 20:46.15 | SmashingX | but same error |
| 20:46.29 | ompaul | SmashingX: you should apt-get install hf-sprogs and then perhaps mount -o force /dev/sdb2 /mnt/whatever note that you need to have tools installed to support it (you may do |
| 20:46.47 | ompaul | writing and hfplus is not a great game for linux |
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| 20:47.07 | squisher | SmashingX: the correct line, if the drive is mounted already as ro, is: mount -o remount,rw /home/victor/harddrive/ |
| 20:47.13 | squisher | but that's probably not your issue |
| 20:47.17 | ompaul | SmashingX: or you oculd run hf-sprogs against the disk to make sure it is "fscked" |
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| 20:47.39 | ompaul | not something I deal with |
| 20:48.11 | Lynysys | dondelelcaro:I think I found the solution http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1531569 |
| 20:48.13 | ompaul | that partition type is not in my base of used tools |
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| 20:48.22 | SmashingX | squisher: sudo mount -o remount,rw /home/victor/harddrive/ |
| 20:48.23 | SmashingX | mount: can't find /home/victor/harddrive/ in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 20:48.51 | ompaul | SmashingX: because you umounted it I have told you some other things you need - that tool kit for a start |
| 20:49.03 | ompaul | SmashingX: and you left out the block device you wanted to mount |
| 20:49.16 | SmashingX | ok Im going to get that |
| 20:49.22 | ompaul | good luck with that |
| 20:49.24 | SmashingX | I just did what squisher was suggesting |
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| 20:49.41 | ompaul | SmashingX: that was for a mounted ro partition but you umounted it |
| 20:49.52 | ompaul | so it was not mounted any more |
| 20:50.36 | SmashingX | ok theres no package called hf-sprogs |
| 20:51.11 | wdouglass | hi all -- i have an xmodmap question. i switch from an apple-style keyboard at home to a microsoft-style keyboard at work. the primary difference in these keyboards is that the super key and the alt key are transposed. i've used xmodmap to fix this; emacs recognizes the change using X11, but not under xterm or urxvt! is there a way to make urxvt or xterm recognize the xmodmap change? |
| 20:51.36 | ompaul | ,v hf-sprogs |
| 20:51.37 | judd | No package named 'hf-sprogs' was found in i386. |
| 20:51.42 | ompaul | oh what is it |
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| 20:51.53 | ompaul | ,v hfsprogs |
| 20:51.54 | judd | Package: hfsprogs on i386 -- squeeze: 332.25-8; wheezy: 332.25-10; jessie: 332.25-11; sid: 332.25-11 |
| 20:52.04 | ompaul | SmashingX: sorry that's it ^^ |
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| 20:54.27 | jtreminio | Hi all! Not specifically a Debian question, hoping someone's run into this before. I am using Supervisord to keep some processes up. However, I'm noticing when I want to keep two services, from the same file, up and running it's only keeping one up - even when the flags passed to it are different |
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| 20:55.12 | Ormu | hey, can someone explain what's the reason for giving PAE kernel by default on x86 system...? most x86-## computers with lots of memory are x86-64 anyway... |
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| 20:56.28 | rudi_s | ac_slater: Then you're doing something wrong. It's just the command I pasted above if you want to only rename the files. |
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| 20:56.36 | unholycrab | SmashingX: youre going to need to do some research about using hfs+ on linux |
| 20:57.14 | unholycrab | or, do some research about how to format a drive and put an ext filesystem on it |
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| 20:57.24 | unholycrab | the ladder of which will wipe the data on the drive |
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| 21:00.03 | ac_slater | rudi_s: the issue was dh_install should have been called first to create the structure to move it into. And it was more like `cp bin/pkg-x86 debian/<package>/opt/pkg` |
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| 21:02.23 | rudi_s | ac_slater: Well, yeah. I'd just rename the binary and install it as usual with dh_install, which was in the example I gave you. And better replace cp with mv. |
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| 21:03.10 | ac_slater | rudi_s: when you say `with dh_install`, do you mean manually invoking it with args in my override rule? I've seen some people do that via google |
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| 21:05.41 | rudi_s | ac_slater: Yes. |
| 21:06.06 | rudi_s | Though you shouldn't need any arguments in this case. |
| 21:06.21 | ac_slater | rudi_s: ah ok. Awesome. I should learn more about it. For some reason, I'm very confused by it |
| 21:07.33 | rudi_s | ac_slater: Somehing like override_dh_install: \n debian/package/path/to/bin debian/package/path/to/new-name-of-bin \n .. \n dh_install |
| 21:07.37 | rudi_s | \n is newline |
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| 21:08.08 | fcp13 | anyone can help please |
| 21:08.20 | fcp13 | i trying to install debian 7 on my lenovo w540 |
| 21:08.21 | ac_slater | ah right I did that, except dh_install needed to be called first it seemed |
| 21:08.30 | fcp13 | and doesn't detect ethernet card |
| 21:08.34 | rudi_s | ac_slater: No. |
| 21:08.42 | rudi_s | Shouldn't be necessary. |
| 21:09.08 | fcp13 | i have iso 3,4 gb and i try to select intel pro/1000 and dons't select |
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| 21:09.11 | ac_slater | rudi_s: what if the path isnt yet created in the debian/package dir? |
| 21:09.24 | ac_slater | fcp13: you prob dont have the firmware available? |
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| 21:09.41 | rudi_s | ac_slater: Then it won't work. But I tought you just wanted to renam the binaries. |
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| 21:09.56 | fcp13 | i have from lenovo site and from intel |
| 21:09.58 | rudi_s | Use debian/install to move the binaries to different files. Or use mkdir -p first. |
| 21:10.16 | fcp13 | and i put that in a external hard drive |
| 21:10.17 | ac_slater | rudi_s: yea that would be the correct way. |
| 21:10.25 | fcp13 | and they doesn't detect :S |
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| 21:11.17 | yahbah | ive been doxed |
| 21:11.36 | fcp13 | ac_slater: :S |
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| 21:12.52 | rudi_s | ac_slater: ;-) |
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| 21:13.01 | ac_slater | fcp13: sorry mate, I'm no expert the installer |
| 21:15.41 | ac_slater | fcp13: I've never had an issue selecting the firmware via the installer. Im sure there is someone here who can help |
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| 21:16.36 | ArchDuke | Is there a way to make a 'mega history' that stores/shows the history of every user on a machine while preserving each individual history? |
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| 21:16.42 | SireWolf | hi hi |
| 21:16.42 | SireWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.42 | SireWolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:16.42 | SireWolf | damn it |
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| 21:16.42 | SireWolf | why doesnt it work? |
| 21:16.42 | kyan | SireWolf, the space before the /join |
| 21:16.47 | SireWolf | ah ty |
| 21:16.49 | kyan | np |
| 21:17.21 | SireWolf | how hard is debian to install now? |
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| 21:17.46 | mtn | fcp13: there are installers with firmware: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 21:17.48 | doomikus | SireWolf: I found it relatively easy even using the text based installer - I suppose it's subjective |
| 21:18.08 | doomikus | SireWolf: you could always give it a go in a VM first |
| 21:18.26 | mtn | SireWolf: if you have supported hardware it is extremely simple to install debian |
| 21:18.57 | fcp13 | mtn but in iso dont have all firmwares? |
| 21:19.28 | SireWolf | I got a macbook pro 2.1 I'd like to dual boot |
| 21:19.32 | SireWolf | is that supported? |
| 21:19.37 | mtn | fcp13: not sure what you mean. the normal installer does not have some firmware, but the ones I gave you a link for do. |
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| 21:20.19 | fcp13 | ok |
| 21:20.19 | mtn | SireWolf: check out the video chip and network chips by google: debian mychipname |
| 21:20.52 | mtn | SireWolf: the debian wiki may help you, too. |
| 21:21.01 | SireWolf | how do I check what the chips are? |
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| 21:22.01 | ac_slater | SireWolf: check this funky HCL http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx |
| 21:22.02 | mtn | SireWolf: depends on the computer. google probably knows |
| 21:22.36 | mtn | SireWolf: running linux this command is very useful: lspci -nn |
| 21:23.08 | ac_slater | mtn: the link I pasted compared the lspci ids against the pci map |
| 21:23.10 | ac_slater | kinda cool |
| 21:23.17 | mtn | ac_slater: nice |
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| 21:25.02 | mtn | SireWolf: you know about using linux live disks, don't you? |
| 21:25.10 | ac_slater | SireWolf: I dual boot a MBP with debian, the only issues are the manual config for the trackpad and the command key. Everything else works for me. GPU switching is kinda weird sometimes |
| 21:25.47 | SireWolf | ty slater! |
| 21:25.59 | SireWolf | Can I hook you up for some tips later? |
| 21:26.12 | ac_slater | SireWolf: I'm always on freenode but rarely in #debian |
| 21:26.21 | SireWolf | where you hang out? |
| 21:26.33 | ac_slater | SireWolf: You can directly pm me if you want |
| 21:26.43 | ac_slater | ie `/msg ac_slater` |
| 21:27.08 | ac_slater | SireWolf: you might some issues configuring your partitions for the installation though, there are wikis all over for this |
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| 21:27.52 | fcp13 | mtn i boot with that iso? |
| 21:28.17 | Wilkim | I am sorry to be such a n00b, I was just wondering if somone could help me with a small script, how can I in bash take a multi-level subdomain such as sub3.sub2.sub1.domain.com and store it in an array where 0 = domain.com 1 = sub1, 2 = sub2, 3 = sub3? tried googleing some stuff and couldnt find any results |
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| 21:28.26 | Wilkim | but it go on to for every sub-subdomain |
| 21:28.27 | mtn | fcp13: what, the firmware ones? sure, and you can install from them, too. |
| 21:28.56 | fcp13 | ok thnks;) |
| 21:30.56 | jordanm | # foo="sub3.sub2.sub1.domain.com"; IFS=. bar=($foo); printf '<%s>' "${bar[@]}" |
| 21:31.13 | jordanm | oh, this isn't the bash channel |
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| 21:32.47 | fcp13 | mtn :( |
| 21:32.50 | fcp13 | doesn't detect |
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| 21:33.14 | mtn | fcp13: doesn't see your network hardware? it isn't listed? |
| 21:33.22 | fcp13 | yes |
| 21:33.33 | fcp13 | is listed but don't detect |
| 21:33.34 | fcp13 | :S |
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| 21:38.59 | mtn | fcp13: sounds like network/cable issues. if it is recognized by the installer, it should work if nothing is wrong with cables, etc. |
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| 21:39.06 | Wilkim | jordanm thank you, joining bash too |
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| 21:57.54 | ArchDuke | What is the recommened process auditor for debian? I'm finding acct hard to use |
| 21:59.32 | centrx | ps :) |
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| 22:06.55 | DammitJim | can I build a deb package that has build-depends for libraries I didn't install via package but rather through make install? |
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| 22:08.45 | jordanm | !tell DammitJim about equivs |
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| 22:09.09 | DammitJim | thanks jordanm |
| 22:09.18 | DammitJim | I think I started trying to build a deb with the wrong piece |
| 22:09.40 | DammitJim | gosh, there is a lot I need to look at |
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| 22:09.54 | tremon | DammitJim: you're better off using uupdate or at least checkinstall when installing from source |
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| 22:10.39 | tremon | (that applies to the previous libraries you installed, not the .deb) |
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| 22:12.17 | DammitJim | thanks tremon |
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| 22:12.41 | DammitJim | I have looked at a couple of tutorials to build deb packages |
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| 22:17.12 | kyan | Hi. I've been trying to make it so that I can attach my Debian computer at a mountpoint on another computer, over the network. I tried: sshfs (slow), curlftpfs (no symlinks), davfs (listing a directory locks up Dolphin), SMB (couldn't figure out how to set it up), NFS (Debian uses NFS4, my other computer uses NFS3). I haven't tried AFP. What is the best option to pursue? Thanks. |
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| 22:19.14 | nevyn | what's the other system? |
| 22:19.27 | nevyn | debian supports nfsv3 |
| 22:19.36 | nevyn | as a client or server. |
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| 22:24.57 | kyan | nevyn, it's Ubuntu 10.10 with a bunch of customizations |
| 22:25.20 | kyan | I didn't realize Debian could be a NFS3 server |
| 22:25.22 | nevyn | so nfs3 |
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| 22:26.35 | nkuttler | kyan: fwiw, i just use samba, works fine.. and guests with some weird os can actually access stuff |
| 22:26.52 | nkuttler | (that's at home) |
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| 22:27.58 | kyan | nkuttler, Huh, ok. I wound up in way over my head with samba configuration (first thing in two different tutorials was to type in the workgroup name; I have no idea what a workgroup is) |
| 22:28.20 | kyan | (and couldn't find an actual definition with a web search, either) |
| 22:28.31 | tremon | kyan: it's what is identified with the workgroup= line in smb.conf ;) |
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| 22:29.08 | nkuttler | kyan: i think all you have to do is to set up the directories you want to share.. if you want auth it's a little more work |
| 22:29.23 | tremon | as for technical explanation, it's a "namespace" identifier for identifying broadcast traffic |
| 22:30.18 | kyan | tremon, Huh, is it a UUID or something to avoid collisions when a computer is online? |
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| 22:31.04 | kyan | nkuttler, Huh, ok, I'll try it againÂ… |
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| 22:31.42 | tremon | kyan: not exactly, but windows networking used to work a lot with broadcast traffic. the "workgroup" was just a way to let clients know which traffic they should listen to, and what to ignore. It's an arbitrary text string |
| 22:31.57 | kyan | Ok, huh. |
| 22:32.02 | kyan | Thanks. |
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| 22:34.17 | nkuttler | kyan: this looks ok to me, but i'm not really a samba expert http://www.debuntu.org/samba-how-to-share-files-for-your-lan-without-userpassword/ . if you want auth etc check the howtos at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/ |
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| 22:41.29 | kyan | nkuttler, I think I've got it set up, but it's not letting me sign in :( |
| 22:42.01 | kyan | I type smb://ww2.domain.com/ in the Dolphin address bar, and it does nothing |
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| 22:43.18 | tremon | iirc, you need to add your user to the smbpasswd database (smbpasswd -a, then smbpasswd -e) regardless of which auth model you use |
| 22:43.35 | phox | =/ so 7.3's installer is having grub-install failed, apparently. any suggestions on working around this so I have my server back up? |
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| 22:43.46 | tremon | but haven't setup smb in a long time |
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| 22:45.24 | phox | *fail |
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| 22:45.29 | phox | wow that's bad grammar right there :) |
| 22:45.57 | phox | brb |
| 22:45.59 | tremon | phox: re-run installer, select rescue mode. manually install grub (with grub-setup iirc). Make sure /boot is mounted if it's a separate partition |
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| 22:46.29 | phox | right, so 7.3 netinst is having grub-install fail. workaround? |
| 22:47.09 | phox | "cannot read /grub/core.img correctly" |
| 22:48.06 | SireWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.17 | tremon | phox: if you're still in the installer, alt-f2 and in-target bash will give you a shell in the installed system |
| 22:48.49 | phox | tremon: yeah I've had the vc's up; how do I do this again? |
| 22:48.53 | phox | not sure what "in-target" is |
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| 22:49.39 | phox | tremon: chroot into /target or something? |
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| 22:51.15 | phox | tremon: ok, got that... gonna see if there's a newer version or wtf |
| 22:51.30 | tremon | in-target is a helper command, you should just be able to type "in-target bash" and get a shell inside the target env |
| 22:52.34 | tremon | otherwise, chroot /target /bin/bash should do the same, but I'm not sure of the exact path of the target install |
| 22:52.46 | phox | yeah it's /target from what I saw from mount |
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| 22:54.38 | phox | says some crap about "this GPT partition label has no BIOS boot partition" but parted is quite confident that my boot partition has its boot flag set |
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| 22:55.09 | tremon | ah. In that case, you need a separate bios boot partition |
| 22:55.18 | phox | eh? |
| 22:55.22 | phox | this is not an EFI system |
| 22:55.34 | tremon | that's different than just marking your /boot partition bootable, ah the boot flag has no effect on gpt |
| 22:55.36 | Letho | Hi all, quick question, what can developers do to impress the bossesn on software development? I know of Gource, is there more visualising possibilities? |
| 22:55.53 | tremon | that's right, if you had an efi system you would need an efi boot partition, not a bios boot partition |
| 22:55.55 | phox | tremon: I should be able to use grub-mbr on GPT just fine though AFAIK. done it before... |
| 22:55.55 | tremon | ;) |
| 22:56.07 | phox | I see. Never run into this before... |
| 22:56.16 | phox | so what do I do about this |
| 22:56.18 | phox | =/ |
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| 22:56.33 | phox | (obviously it would be good if the installer complained about this early on) |
| 22:56.54 | tremon | if you mean grub-pc, then yes. But grub needs somewhere to store its stage2 files. In MBR, there were always 62 unused sectors before the first partition start |
| 22:56.58 | phox | er yeah that |
| 22:57.11 | phox | stage2 lives in /boot no? |
| 22:57.25 | phox | unless it just copies it from there |
| 22:57.39 | phox | anyways, there should be lots of space there for me to shove in some arbitrary fat32 partition or whatever |
| 22:57.45 | tremon | oh, could be, I'm not sure about the terminology. If that's true, then I'm obviously talking about the stage1.5 files ;) |
| 22:57.55 | phox | so what do I do about coercing this into having whatever it needs :) |
| 22:57.59 | phox | might be stage1 |
| 22:58.06 | phox | which I think is larger than the bootsector |
| 22:58.12 | tremon | you need a partition of type bios boot partition, of at least 32kB |
| 22:58.14 | phox | because it supports quite a number of filesystem etc now |
| 22:58.24 | phox | ok |
| 22:58.29 | phox | type = GPT flags basically here? |
| 22:58.38 | tremon | that partition should not be formatted, grub uses it as a raw device |
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| 22:58.54 | tremon | I'm not sure how parted calls the partition, in gdisk it's partition type ef02 |
| 23:00.04 | tremon | see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1&chap=4#doc_chap2_sect4 |
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| 23:00.46 | tremon | ah, probably you need the bios_grub flag for it |
| 23:00.55 | phox | hm |
| 23:01.09 | phox | there's some weirdness about that, specifically that the GPT boot partition flag says "grub" in it somewhere |
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| 23:01.14 | phox | arrogance :) |
| 23:02.01 | tremon | somewhat. but in their defense, other loaders (lilo, refind) do not need such a partition |
| 23:02.45 | tremon | err, refind is an efi bootloader, doesn't apply here |
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| 23:04.58 | phox | blah |
| 23:05.12 | phox | I'm just going to start from and empty disk and see what Debian wants to do |
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| 23:05.24 | phox | unfortunately it doesn't really have a middleground between manual and automatic |
| 23:05.27 | tremon | btw if you used debian's parted, all partitions are 1MB aligned. That means you have about 960kB at the start of the disk you can use for bios_grub |
| 23:05.42 | Mattx | is there a sane (as in easy and not painful way) to create a wifi hotspot? |
| 23:05.51 | Mattx | all guides I found are like 10 pages long -.- |
| 23:05.56 | tremon | just make sure you set parted to sector alignment (unit s) |
| 23:06.15 | phox | yeah I'm doing that |
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| 23:06.30 | phox | trying to make one starting at 2048s and it's whining about "unable to satisfy all constraints on the partition" |
| 23:06.33 | phox | useful |
| 23:06.34 | teraflops | hah Mattx hostapd |
| 23:06.42 | phox | not. very. useful. |
| 23:06.43 | phox | =/ |
| 23:07.25 | tremon | starting at 2048 is probably your first partition. Try starting it at 512s up to 2047s |
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| 23:08.03 | phox | I deleted my /boot partition deliberately to shove it in there |
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| 23:08.10 | phox | I didn't use automagic partitioning |
| 23:08.22 | tremon | oh well nevermind then. carry on |
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| 23:08.47 | phox | just re-used the schema that was already on that disk (with Debian on it) because the installer wouldn't let me do anything other than choose from 3 totally automatic options, which is kind of a fail |
| 23:08.51 | phox | anyways, bbl |
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| 23:10.00 | Mattx | teraflops, it's still incredible painful :| |
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| 23:10.24 | teraflops | hehe |
| 23:10.39 | teraflops | Mattx: dealing with nocat chillispot? |
| 23:10.43 | Mattx | it took me 30 sec to find 10 different methods that requires installing 3 other depdencies and editing 8 config files |
| 23:10.44 | Mattx | wtf? |
| 23:11.15 | phox | gonna get back at this tomorrow probably just on a blank disk |
| 23:11.41 | Mattx | oh, and one required a raspberry pi too |
| 23:12.24 | salah | hey |
| 23:12.29 | teraflops | you can use stuff like chillispot or you can use stuff like hostapd and set up by yourself Mattx |
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| 23:25.16 | eblip | this may be a silly question but it says nautilus-dropbox is non free |
| 23:25.23 | eblip | yet on the website it says its free |
| 23:25.42 | eblip | which is it or can you recommend a better dropbox for screen shots |
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| 23:28.30 | oxez | eblip: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/nautilus-dropbox -- I see non-free. Maybe you are confusing the word free, see: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html (section 2.2.3) |
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| 23:29.40 | eblip | https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx |
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| 23:29.49 | phox | it's not FOSS |
| 23:29.53 | eblip | sorry i meant its free on the dropbox site |
| 23:29.54 | phox | it's just a free closed-source binary |
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| 23:30.00 | phox | that's not what you meant |
| 23:30.05 | phox | read what oxez bothered linking you to |
| 23:30.17 | eblip | yes i am reading it ..thanks oxez |
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| 23:30.37 | phox | "not charging you money for the program" is not what Debian means by "free |
| 23:30.47 | phox | they're talking about the license, not the cost |
| 23:30.53 | phox | bbl |
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| 23:31.28 | koell | Do I need to be logged in on a remote machine, if I would like to ssh into it? |
| 23:31.31 | themill | eblip: http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/non-free/n/nautilus-dropbox/unstable_copyright explains it more |
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| 23:33.33 | phox | koell: no |
| 23:33.36 | eblip | right ...i originally assumed that free was regard to money |
| 23:33.40 | phox | it needs to be on with sshd running |
| 23:33.40 | eblip | good info guys |
| 23:33.42 | eblip | thanks |
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| 23:34.07 | themill | dpkg: tell eblip about dfsg |
| 23:34.27 | koell | phox: when i try to log in to my pi i get "connection closed by 192..." |
| 23:34.46 | phox | dunno |
| 23:35.07 | phox | not an issue with you being logged in there, though. unless something really special is set up, but I doubt that's going on. |
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| 23:41.57 | eblip | just love this debian |
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| 23:46.37 | humbolt1 | how is that now with partition alignment?! |
| 23:46.53 | humbolt1 | parted tells me, my partitions are not optimally aligned |
| 23:47.35 | humbolt1 | but blockdev --getalignoff says it is |
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