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| 00:16.47 | funnyfingers | using Debian 7 plugged in a Belkin N450N DB/N600 DB wireless usb adapter. Only shows up in lsusb as 050d:110a Belkin Components. How can I use it? |
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| 00:18.12 | Freeaqingme| | Hi folks. I'm looking for a description of the groups that are installed by default. Does anybody know where to find those? |
| 00:18.28 | fcp13 | hia can't boot my debian 7 :( appears init table command not found 0xa9 |
| 00:18.29 | fcp13 | :( |
| 00:18.51 | fcp13 | i think the problem is nvidia quadro :S |
| 00:19.00 | fcp13 | anyone can help? |
| 00:19.07 | themill | dpkg: tell Freeaqingme| about groups |
| 00:19.17 | themill | Freeaqingme|: it's documented in the base-passwd package |
| 00:19.48 | Freeaqingme| | thanks themill |
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| 00:20.36 | funnyfingers | The belkin n450 may use rtl8192du, is there an easy way to install this? |
| 00:21.04 | x1 | check firmware-realtek maybe |
| 00:22.13 | funnyfingers | x1 - I replaced my old usb wifi that was dying but working, now it is dead. What can I download from the machine I am on onto my thumb drive? |
| 00:22.42 | xgb880 | do you have firmware-realtek installed? |
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| 00:23.37 | funnyfingers | xgb880 no |
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| 00:24.07 | funnyfingers | And I can't do it with apt-get since my old wifi usb just died. |
| 00:24.28 | Splashman | im having problems recognizing my texas instruments firewire pci-adapter in ubuntu was fine |
| 00:24.32 | xgb880 | download it onto your usb and move it to the other computer |
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| 00:25.00 | Splashman | im having some error mesages repeated |
| 00:25.42 | fcp13 | my god :S new lenovo w540 and i can't install my debian 7 :( |
| 00:25.44 | fcp13 | try all |
| 00:25.48 | funnyfingers | xgb880 download what? http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_0.40_all.deb ? |
| 00:26.04 | fcp13 | doesn't detect networkcard graphic card |
| 00:26.10 | fcp13 | only problems install :S |
| 00:26.12 | xgb880 | funnyfingers: yes download that and whatever dependencies it needs |
| 00:26.15 | fcp13 | bah |
| 00:26.54 | xgb880 | do ls usb and just make sure that it's a realtek and not ralink |
| 00:27.12 | xgb880 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.50 | funnyfingers | It looks like that deb is all I need: http://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-realtek correct? |
| 00:28.09 | xgb880 | yes. did you check and see if that's already installed on the other computer? |
| 00:28.24 | funnyfingers | not yet, I'll go in there in a minute. |
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| 00:32.53 | fcp13 | :S |
| 00:36.43 | xgb880 | funnyfingers: sorry i have to leave. install firmware-realtek and hopefully that will get it working |
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| 00:47.29 | funnyfingers | It looks like the firmware-realtek package doesn't have the driver for rtl8192du. I see something from github, but was hoping for something more supported. |
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| 00:52.57 | fcp13 | anyone can help? |
| 00:53.18 | fcp13 | i'm trying install debian 7 and when finish the install... |
| 00:53.20 | fcp13 | doesn't boot |
| 00:53.29 | fcp13 | drm nouveau |
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| 00:53.48 | fcp13 | i have nvidia quadro k1100 m |
| 00:53.51 | fcp13 | at lenovo w540 |
| 00:54.07 | fcp13 | i think i gona move to ubuntu : |
| 00:54.09 | fcp13 | :( |
| 00:54.36 | pederindi | fcp13: why ? |
| 00:54.57 | fcp13 | because i can't start ... anything the boot stops |
| 00:55.08 | fcp13 | first doesnt detect network card |
| 00:55.32 | pederindi | fcp13: network card is wifi ? |
| 00:55.39 | fcp13 | and can't boot because i have nvidia quadro k1100m |
| 00:55.49 | fcp13 | cable |
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| 00:55.52 | pederindi | fcp13: but is a nvidia, install de nvidia driver |
| 00:55.52 | fcp13 | and wireless |
| 00:56.10 | Freeaqingme| | being on a lenovo t530, I can tell you that Ubuntu has got its issues as well |
| 00:56.22 | Freeaqingme| | oh, and just dont count on optimus support on any distro, that's a kernel thingie |
| 00:56.38 | pederindi | fcp13: I think you can solve your problems with debian |
| 00:56.38 | fcp13 | hwo can i install that? i can't go to shell |
| 00:56.44 | fcp13 | yes |
| 00:56.56 | fcp13 | but how can i boot if they hangs on first steps? |
| 00:57.13 | pederindi | fcp13: you need to touch something in grub, because now the kernel do some preloading with graphic cards |
| 00:57.22 | fcp13 | hum |
| 00:57.28 | pederindi | fcp13: don't remembre the command |
| 00:57.32 | fcp13 | ok :S |
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| 00:58.31 | fcp13 | 4 hours arround that :S |
| 00:58.38 | fcp13 | :D |
| 00:58.56 | pederindi | fcp13: dedicate 10k hours and you will be as good as beatles :) |
| 00:58.59 | fcp13 | :D |
| 00:59.04 | fcp13 | lolllllllll |
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| 00:59.18 | fcp13 | i never had that problems |
| 00:59.24 | fcp13 | i have installed in other machines |
| 00:59.30 | fcp13 | and in lenovo w540... ufff |
| 00:59.46 | pederindi | yeees |
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| 00:59.49 | pederindi | nomodeset |
| 01:00.16 | fcp13 | gona try tomorwwo |
| 01:00.17 | fcp13 | :S |
| 01:00.28 | fcp13 | thanks for support |
| 01:00.30 | fcp13 | regards |
| 01:00.31 | pederindi | http://askubuntu.com/questions/140640/nvidia-drivers-and-kernel-update-problems-nomodeset |
| 01:00.47 | pederindi | you can go to grub menu? add this lines |
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| 01:00.58 | pederindi | here you have more info how to do that |
| 01:00.59 | pederindi | http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=122257 |
| 01:01.08 | pederindi | fcp13: understood ? |
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| 01:01.25 | fcp13 | i need to use 3 dvds? |
| 01:01.30 | fcp13 | or only the 1st» |
| 01:01.31 | pederindi | no |
| 01:01.32 | fcp13 | ? |
| 01:01.35 | pederindi | ?? |
| 01:01.40 | fcp13 | ok |
| 01:01.43 | pederindi | for install debian or what? |
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| 01:02.04 | fcp13 | because i only burn one dvd |
| 01:02.14 | pederindi | I recommend to "burn" a USB |
| 01:02.30 | fcp13 | ;) and i thinking burn more but i think that isn't the problem |
| 01:02.41 | fcp13 | :D |
| 01:02.43 | pederindi | you have a usb ? |
| 01:02.46 | pederindi | with 1GB ? |
| 01:03.01 | fcp13 | yes but a lot of problems burn i debian |
| 01:03.13 | fcp13 | i only have debian at home |
| 01:03.21 | pederindi | no problem |
| 01:03.23 | fcp13 | no windows to make a usb bootable :S |
| 01:03.47 | pederindi | you have debian to make usb live ? it's easy |
| 01:04.04 | pederindi | generally, with linux it's easy to do usb live: |
| 01:04.06 | fcp13 | ok gona check |
| 01:04.16 | pederindi | cp distro.iso /dev/sdX |
| 01:04.27 | pederindi | (as root), and later, sync command to flush |
| 01:04.40 | pederindi | # cp distro.iso /dev/sdX |
| 01:04.41 | pederindi | # sync |
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| 01:05.25 | fcp13 | i reeinstall from dvd at moment |
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| 01:05.37 | pederindi | fcp13: use this cd http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 01:05.46 | pederindi | (deduced you have 64bits) |
| 01:06.01 | fcp13 | 32bits |
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| 01:06.19 | fcp13 | because i need to install junipper vpn |
| 01:06.21 | pederindi | change appropiate path or navigate: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
| 01:06.41 | fcp13 | and that vpn only have packages of java 1.6 32 bits :D |
| 01:08.54 | fcp13 | when end the install i gona try nomodset |
| 01:09.22 | fcp13 | thaks pederindi |
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| 01:09.31 | fcp13 | regards, |
| 01:10.03 | pederindi | fcp13: good luck |
| 01:10.10 | pederindi | fcp13: and keep on rockin' debian |
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| 01:32.55 | bmomjian | I am surprised Debian Squeeze can't get CPU temperature data from a Xeon E5620; modprobe coretemp returns device not found: http://pc-freak.net/blog/installing-lm-sensors-hardware-sensors-support-on-intelr-coretm-i7-cpu-on-debian-lenny-linux-to-track-your-system-hardware-temperature/ |
| 01:33.45 | bmomjian | I assume Wheezy will fix that. |
| 01:34.03 | bmomjian | I can get chassis temperature from ipmi |
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| 01:47.49 | petn-randall | bmomjian: Yeah, try wheezy. Squeeze is oooold. And only supported another four months. |
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| 01:51.41 | bmomjian | right, I am planning an upgrade for the spring |
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| 01:53.37 | yorman | Hi, wondering which installer I need to download for a used Thinkpad T60p I just picked up |
| 01:54.23 | dvs | yorman: netinst.iso |
| 01:55.10 | yorman | thanks, no need for creating a bootable usb drive? |
| 01:55.36 | dvs | yorman: That can be made into a bootable usb drive. |
| 01:56.04 | yorman | I see, and which architecture should I be looking for? |
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| 01:56.57 | dvs | yorman: multiarch has both i386 and amd64 |
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| 01:57.36 | yorman | great, thanks for your help |
| 01:57.41 | dvs | no prob |
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| 02:05.41 | ChrizC | "/bin/bash: gm2: command not found" how to fix? |
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| 02:06.52 | SirLagz | ChrizC: install gm2 ? |
| 02:07.16 | ChrizC | SirLagz; "unable to locate package gm2" |
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| 02:08.23 | SirLagz | what is gm2 ? |
| 02:08.45 | ChrizC | no idea. all I'm doing is trying to "make" something that I need to run for my coursework |
| 02:08.51 | ChrizC | penguin tower, if anyone's that curious |
| 02:08.53 | SirLagz | ChrizC: ah i see |
| 02:09.00 | SirLagz | context helps, |
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| 02:09.09 | ChrizC | ah sorry |
| 02:09.11 | ChrizC | usually I give context |
| 02:09.17 | ChrizC | but it's like 2am |
| 02:09.22 | SirLagz | understandable |
| 02:09.33 | SirLagz | can you find out the dependences of pengiun tower ? |
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| 02:10.15 | ChrizC | unless they're published somewhere online, I doubt it. literally all my lecturer's given me is a download link to the tar.gz and told me to run the make command |
| 02:10.29 | SirLagz | useful |
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| 02:10.42 | ChrizC | indeed |
| 02:11.16 | ChrizC | okay so uh |
| 02:11.21 | ChrizC | penguin tower does not exist online anywhere |
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| 02:11.47 | SirLagz | no idea what gm2 is then. sorry |
| 02:11.49 | Bird|lappy | ick. I put an ath9k card in a box and am trying to netinst Wheezy on it, but...the card, while detected by Linux, fails at keyexchange when it goes to associate with my network. I've double-checked my ESSID and PSK, they're both correct. where should I start troubleshooting this problem? |
| 02:12.11 | ChrizC | yeah, thought as much. thanks for the attempt anyway SirLagz. I would give you much more info, if I actually had it in the first place |
| 02:12.14 | Bird|lappy | (the network is WPA2/PSK using AES/CCMP) |
| 02:12.25 | SirLagz | ChrizC: try googling GM2 |
| 02:12.27 | SirLagz | see if that helps |
| 02:12.38 | SirLagz | Bird|lappy: I'd use ethernet to do a netinst. |
| 02:12.45 | Bird|lappy | (and it's not the network's fault, as I'm IRCing on it atm) |
| 02:13.23 | Bird|lappy | SirLagz, I'd have to use this laptop as an Ethernet-to-WLAN bridge to netinst via Ethernet. the house I live in is *not* friendly to the running of network cables |
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| 02:17.49 | FuuqUmiist | how well does debian run wineHQ? |
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| 02:18.43 | FuuqUmiist | most of the wine testers seem to be using ubuntu |
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| 02:25.23 | aarcane | anyone running libvirt from backports? If so, has anyone noticed that memory usage seems to gradually leak upward on libvirt? |
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| 02:36.48 | Arafangion | Where can I find good, decent, up-to-date documetnation regarding partitioning a debian system? |
| 02:37.04 | Arafangion | I'm expecting to learn about LVM, and all that stuff, yet I want to keep it (reasonably) simple. |
| 02:37.18 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: for the most part, you can just read the installation manual |
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| 02:37.24 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: it walks you through everything |
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| 02:38.18 | Arafangion | So it does... It's been too long since I've looked at that. |
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| 02:38.20 | Arafangion | Thanks. |
| 02:40.29 | Bird|lappy | speaking of installation...anyone have suggestions as to why the WPA supplicant on the netinst image would get stuck at SCANNING when trying to access a known-good (albeit hidden) network by direct ESSID and PSK input? |
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| 02:43.01 | Arafangion | Bird|lappy: More to the point... Why hidden? |
| 02:43.12 | Arafangion | Bird|lappy: It reduces security. |
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| 02:43.59 | Bird|lappy | Arafangion, it's an old setup. I could change it now, but I'd rather not until everything's stable and happy, unless you think the hidden ESSID is what's causing netinst's supplicant to barf |
| 02:44.43 | Arafangion | Bird|lappy: It's a complication, but yeah, unlikely to be the issue. |
| 02:45.04 | Bird|lappy | so why the barfing? |
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| 02:45.41 | Arafangion | Bird|lappy: No idea, try changing the setup - making the network visible shouldn't require reconfiguring all the clients. |
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| 02:50.04 | SirLagz | Bird|lappy: I've had some clients have issues connecting to hidden networks...so i'd unhide it anyway |
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| 02:56.39 | Bird|lappy | Arafangion, SirLagz: unhid the ESSID, the netinst UI shows it, but still no dice on the key exchange |
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| 03:00.03 | SirLagz | Bird|lappy: does the netinst actually support wpa-psk ? I'm not sure, that's why I'm asking |
| 03:00.22 | Bird|lappy | SirLagz, it claims to. there's an option for WPA/WPA2 PSK in the netinst menus |
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| 03:04.45 | iateadonut | my system started crashing today. i guess X is crashing because it goes back to the login screen |
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| 03:05.22 | iateadonut | i'm not sure though, at all, how to diagnose this crash. |
| 03:05.27 | iateadonut | i installed an SSD recently. |
| 03:05.32 | iateadonut | maybe that is failing? |
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| 03:06.11 | iateadonut | while we're on the subject, would it be helpful to set up two partitions of an SSD into a RAID 1 setting for data preservation? |
| 03:06.47 | squisher | raid1 is always useful ;-) |
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| 03:07.01 | squisher | though it'd be too expensive for my taste for desktop usage |
| 03:07.02 | iateadonut | two partitions on the same SSD drive, i mean |
| 03:07.21 | BugBite | <iateadonut> When the SSD fails both partitions are gone |
| 03:07.24 | squisher | that would give you only half the read speed |
| 03:07.53 | squisher | iateadonut, plus, ssds (and hdds) remap failing sectors internally anyway, so there would be negligible benifit for sure |
| 03:07.55 | Bird|lappy | SirLagz, Arafangion: works now. told it to connect to 'any available' after it gave me a reason=3 deauthentication |
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| 03:08.49 | iateadonut | i see. what about X crashing? |
| 03:08.55 | iateadonut | or how can i be sure what is crashing? |
| 03:09.15 | navy_seal | iateadonut: you are retard. go jump off a cliff. |
| 03:09.16 | BugBite | check the syslog |
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| 03:09.30 | BugBite | /var/log/syslog |
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| 03:09.53 | iateadonut | navy_seal, no cliffs in my area |
| 03:10.11 | BugBite | only donuts ? |
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| 03:11.04 | ChibaPet | navy_seal: Don't be abusive to people in here please. |
| 03:11.07 | veek | what repo would hexchat be on.. apt-get doesn't work |
| 03:11.36 | iateadonut | ok, perfect. next time it crashes, i'll make sure to note the time and then look through the syslog for clues. thanks! |
| 03:11.39 | laigualdad | use xchat |
| 03:11.50 | veek | laigualdad, no buttons for cmds |
| 03:11.59 | veek | i'm using it right now |
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| 03:12.19 | ChibaPet | veek: It doesn't look like it's been packaged for Debian. When this is the case, I tend to build things from source and manage them with GNU Stow. |
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| 03:12.37 | laigualdad | isnt hexchat windows only |
| 03:13.01 | veek | ChibaPet, nice ty |
| 03:13.06 | laigualdad | ah nvm |
| 03:13.15 | laigualdad | it is on linux apparently |
| 03:14.04 | BugBite | veek : download the deb at http://dl.hexchat.net/hexchat/debian/ and use dpkg |
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| 03:14.41 | squisher | so what does hexchat give you that xchat doesn't? I know it's the offspring, I'm just curious |
| 03:14.45 | veek | why isn't it in the repo though..? |
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| 03:15.05 | csssuf | squisher: iirc hexchat is actively developed, xchat is not |
| 03:15.25 | squisher | csssuf, yeah, but.... so what? gtk3 or some foo? |
| 03:15.48 | csssuf | squisher: just my understanding of the difference |
| 03:15.53 | csssuf | not advocating one over the other |
| 03:16.09 | squisher | that's fine, I just wanted to find out more details than that :) |
| 03:16.33 | csssuf | also xchat requires a license past a certain trial length on windows at least |
| 03:16.45 | csssuf | think it's free on linux though |
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| 03:17.01 | squisher | yupp, so doesn't apply here |
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| 03:20.52 | iio7 | I'm trying to determine which process is making my harddrive wake up. Monitoring with "iotop" shows activity in "Actual DISK WRITE", but it doesn't show which process is causing the problem. How can I found out? |
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| 03:21.40 | BugBite | iio7 : htop |
| 03:21.59 | BugBite | or top |
| 03:22.14 | iio7 | htop or top doesn |
| 03:22.18 | iio7 | doesnt show io |
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| 03:23.17 | squisher | iio7, iotop? |
| 03:23.20 | BugBite | but shows program activity... can you open iotop and htop at the same time ? |
| 03:23.45 | BugBite | 2 shells |
| 03:24.03 | squisher | oh you were using that... my bad |
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| 03:24.04 | dondelelcaro | iio7: iotop should show the program name too |
| 03:24.08 | iio7 | squisher, I'm already using iotop, is shows an increase in "Actual DISK WRITE", but it doesn't show which process is causing it. |
| 03:24.12 | squisher | possibly flushing of buffers or something of the sorts? |
| 03:24.30 | squisher | my guess is it's a kernel process |
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| 03:28.50 | foul_owl | Hi folks, I am attempting to get my wifi card to work. I have an RTL8192CU that disconnects approx every 30 seconds. It was working fine until I did a fresh install of debian. I tried adding "blacklist ipv6" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, but it looks like I still have a link ipv6 address when I do an "ip addr show" so apparently that method of disabling ipv6 has been deprecated. I tried using wicd over nm-applet, but still having |
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| 03:29.06 | polly | i believe htop has an option to show IO read/writes |
| 03:29.56 | squisher | foul_owl, what makes you believe the disconnects are the fault of ipv6? |
| 03:30.15 | foul_owl | Someone in this channel suggested disabling it as something to try |
| 03:30.31 | foul_owl | I realize it's just a shot in the dark, but wanted to mention everything I've tried |
| 03:31.04 | foul_owl | I believe I also did an "apt-get install firmware-realtek" |
| 03:31.05 | squisher | foul_owl, afaik you can configure your nm connection to behave this way, but I thought it is not the default |
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| 03:31.49 | foul_owl | i just want to get any connection working at all without disconnecting haha |
| 03:32.06 | squisher | foul_owl, what do the logs say when it disconnects? |
| 03:32.19 | foul_owl | dmesg? |
| 03:32.39 | squisher | I'd guess syslog is more interesting |
| 03:33.16 | foul_owl | Ok let me see |
| 03:33.28 | squisher | fyi, pastebin it... |
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| 03:34.32 | foul_owl | Nothing in syslog |
| 03:34.39 | foul_owl | My connection just times out |
| 03:34.53 | foul_owl | I'm wondering if maybe there is a different version of the firmware and/or the driver that i can try |
| 03:36.09 | dvs | foul_owl: You could try the backport kernel and firmware. |
| 03:37.01 | foul_owl | I'm on jessie/sid |
| 03:37.13 | dvs | oops! |
| 03:37.15 | wols | use a different way to auth. eg not network manager |
| 03:37.19 | foul_owl | Not sure how that affects things |
| 03:37.49 | foul_owl | What other way to auth should I try? |
| 03:38.43 | wols | via /etc/network/interfaces for example |
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| 03:39.22 | wols | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK |
| 03:40.34 | foul_owl | Ok I'll give that try |
| 03:40.54 | foul_owl | I would like to try disabling ipv6 too though, what's the current way to do that? |
| 03:41.22 | squisher | foul_owl, imho that's not very future-proof |
| 03:42.03 | squisher | specially if you try it without a network manager, then it won't matter anyway |
| 03:42.23 | Okee | Anyone have experience with XSane scanner utility? I tried using it and it is only showing a small portion of the image. I don't recall this problem happening after the initial install. Is this a setting problem? i am running Debian stable. |
| 03:43.32 | wols | !tell foul_owl about nopiv6 |
| 03:44.20 | foul_owl | No, I agree. I would prefer to have ipv6 support |
| 03:45.21 | wols | does your router/dhcp server do ivp6? |
| 03:46.13 | squisher | wols, even if it doesn't, it may change in the (near?) future |
| 03:46.40 | sleonard | s |
| 03:47.05 | foul_owl | My router supports ipv6 but of course my isp doesn't haha |
| 03:47.54 | squisher | foul_owl, comcast is rolling out ipv6 support already |
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| 03:51.43 | foul_owl | I actually called them about it, they said they would send me a modem that supports ipv6, and when it arrived I looked up the model online and it doesn't support it ಠ_ಠ|
| 03:52.11 | Arafangion | It's entirely possible they have updated the firmware so it dose? |
| 03:52.39 | foul_owl | I should check, but on comcast's site it was listed as not supporting it, and nowhere in the manual was ipv6 mentioned |
| 03:52.58 | foul_owl | btw, I think things are working for me now! |
| 03:53.02 | somiaj | look at the firmware upgrades and changelog, maybe there |
| 03:53.03 | Arafangion | Ah, well, if comcast is providing it, claiming it, then they should document it. |
| 03:53.09 | ChibaPet | foul_owl: They're rolling it out in various places, but not everywhere yet. comcast6.net |
| 03:53.12 | foul_owl | Using /etc/network/interfaces did the trick |
| 03:53.41 | foul_owl | Lesson learned: don't use wicd or nm-applet |
| 03:53.51 | squisher | foul_owl, buying your modem is cheaper in the long run anyway |
| 03:54.16 | foul_owl | Yeah, I actually just bought an SB6141 today anyway |
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| 03:54.39 | foul_owl | Time to run some ipv6 only minecraft servers! :D |
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| 03:55.46 | pederindi | how to configure us international layout? I have this configuration setxkbmap -option grp:shift_caps_toggle "es,us" |
| 03:55.55 | Okee | Any idea when IceDove is going to be upgraded? |
| 03:56.22 | SirLagz | never ! |
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| 03:57.18 | veek | why do i get Illegal format hash table every time i start xchat (ispell bug)?? |
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| 03:59.26 | dvs | Okee: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 04:00.36 | somiaj | Okee: You will have to ask mozilla.debian.net why they don't backport icedove and only backport iceweasel |
| 04:00.49 | somiaj | dvs: they stoped providing backports of icedove, and not sure why |
| 04:00.55 | dvs | ??? |
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| 04:02.17 | Okee | dvs & somiaj>I think the link is bad at mozilla.debian.net The source for security updates is showing up for Icedove instead of the repository link for updating the program. The program is still stuck on version 17.0.10, while everyone else is up to Version 24. Previously a couple of the development staff indicated a version24.0 is available, but for some strange reasons was never added to the repository. |
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| 04:03.00 | somiaj | Okee: it is not bad, they are not backporting icedove (I do not know why they chose no to) and are just suggesting you get esr17 from security.debian.org which will be the version that comes with wheezy |
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| 04:03.30 | somiaj | Okee: 24.0 is only in sid, and has not been backported to wheezy. You may have to check the mailing lists for the reasoning or if anyone is planning on backporting icedove |
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| 04:04.02 | k67b | people use icedove? |
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| 04:04.50 | Okee | somiaj>Do you know anyone on here using esr17? I am unable to locate it in the repository, and don't see it as a default program with Wheezy. |
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| 04:05.02 | somiaj | k67b: what should it matter what email cleint one wants to use. |
| 04:05.19 | somiaj | Okee: wheezy was released with 10, and those are the offical version on the wheezy repos |
| 04:05.40 | somiaj | Okee: right after the release, esr17 was provided as a security update so the security team didn't have to backport security fixes all the way to 10 |
| 04:05.44 | Okee | somiaj> Official or not, I didn't get esr17/esr with my Wheezy download. |
| 04:05.59 | somiaj | Okee: so you can get 17 from the security updates, |
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| 04:06.08 | somiaj | Okee: do you have security.debian.org in your sources.list |
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| 04:06.26 | Okee | somiaj> I already have security.debian.org in my sources.list, and it hasn't updated anything. |
| 04:06.49 | somiaj | Okee: give me the output of 'apt-cache policy icedove' at paste.debian.net |
| 04:08.28 | foul_owl | anyway, thanks for the help folks! I really appreciate it |
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| 04:08.57 | Okee | somiaj>http://paste.debian.net/76726/ |
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| 04:09.57 | somiaj | Okee: what are you saying it hasn't udpated, version 17.0.10-1~deb7u1 is what you have insatlled, esr17 from security.debian.org |
| 04:09.57 | dvs | Okee: both ftp.de.debian.org and mirrors.kernel.org? |
| 04:09.59 | Okee | Version 17.0.10 icedove is a bit old, and locks up occasionally. |
| 04:11.04 | somiaj | Okee: version 17 is what you get for wheezy. As I said orginally why the mozilla team is not backporting icedove is something you need to go though some mailing list for |
| 04:11.05 | Okee | dvs> I will comment out one of the sources: probably the mirrors. |
| 04:11.30 | somiaj | Okee: the case is, they are not providng you backports for icedove, so if you want a backport you have to make it yourself. Or just used the static linked binaries from mozilla |
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| 04:12.19 | k67b | does anyone know of a debian package which allows configuring hot corners like in OSX, where moving the cursor to a screen corner performs an action |
| 04:12.27 | Okee | somiaj> Thanks. |
| 04:14.08 | Arrowmaster | k67b: different desktop environments do that, im using cinnamon and it does it but the package in debian is currently broken |
| 04:16.16 | k67b | Arrowmaster: i guess i'm out of luck because i use a windows manager |
| 04:16.30 | k67b | that's nice that cinnamon does it |
| 04:17.21 | Arrowmaster | its more of a DE/WM feature than any random doing it |
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| 04:19.10 | val_erie | I am trying to install debian wheezy in a Unysis Server with PERC 6/i controler (LSI corporation - during install I have the screen for disk triver and I do not know which one it is for this |
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| 04:21.51 | k67b | Arrowmaster: has cinnamon been on debian for a while now? |
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| 04:23.27 | Arrowmaster | it has but the 1.7 version has been broken for a while |
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| 04:25.51 | somiaj | Arrowmaster: http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cinnamon.html -- it has ben in unstable for about a year, but kinda stuck there. It is not on stable |
| 04:26.31 | Arrowmaster | it was in testing at one point but got removed for being broken |
| 04:26.46 | Arrowmaster | really all thats needed is a new version uploaded |
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| 04:27.31 | k67b | ah, ok. that explains why i couldn't find it with apt |
| 04:28.17 | val_erie | hello guys - I want to use btrfs and I wonder to what extent its features were backported into wheezy's kernel (as I understand the kernle 3.12 has stable btrfs - that would be Jessie) but I want to use it in few small but production servers |
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| 04:31.16 | arthurfiggis | val_erie: i was curious about that myself, i tried to install the latest kernel from wheezy-backports earlier but i couldn't install linux-headers-amd64 because of some weird dependency error and thus couldn't install the nvidia drivers :( if i could figure out how to get the kernel and the proper headers installed from backports |
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| 04:31.44 | arthurfiggis | val_erie: you might be able to find more info on the btrfs modules here though: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/allpackages |
| 04:32.02 | arthurfiggis | (or http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/btrfs-modules perhaps would be better :) ) |
| 04:33.42 | val_erie | arthurfiggis, per btrfs people they strongly recommend to use newer kernel, and if backported - should be done in a whole OS context - perhaps RHEL 7 will pull it right (the kernle for them is 3.10 but I think they make sure btrfs is OK) |
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| 04:34.15 | val_erie | I am talking about whether debian team has done that kernel work - I am not going to use something I make |
| 04:35.18 | val_erie | file systems are probably most intimately integrated in kernel - that is why perhaps is most difficult to proper backport |
| 04:35.41 | val_erie | btrfs is a special case too - if you look at its awesome features |
| 04:36.01 | arthurfiggis | val_erie: that is true...the newer kernels themselves are backported as well, though, up to 3.12 if i remember right :) |
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| 05:38.58 | paxcoder | is Debian the OpenBSD of Linux+GNU systems? Because security is the only thing its dev path (unstable->testing->stable) is remotely good for. Otherwise, it just seems like postponing work. |
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| 05:42.56 | centrx | paxcoder, Stability and Security |
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| 05:43.15 | centrx | paxcoder, Not sure what you mean about that being the only thing the dev path is good for |
| 05:43.35 | paxcoder | centrx, i mean it's otherwise a bad thing |
| 05:43.42 | centrx | paxcoder, OpenBSD is much more focused on security than Debian, but yes Debian is highly secure and stable |
| 05:43.47 | paxcoder | it makes Debian unsuitable for desktop |
| 05:43.50 | paxcoder | obsolete |
| 05:43.51 | centrx | paxcoder, What is bad about a stable and secure system? |
| 05:43.57 | centrx | paxcoder, testing works fine for the desktop |
| 05:44.03 | paxcoder | it's still old |
| 05:44.08 | centrx | paxcoder, The most popular desktop-based distribution is based on Debian |
| 05:44.22 | centrx | paxcoder, Not really |
| 05:44.23 | paxcoder | that says little nowadays |
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| 05:44.44 | paxcoder | if it weren't i wouldn't be using unstable for years |
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| 05:44.58 | paxcoder | oh and i'm writing this from testing, because finally everything broke |
| 05:45.16 | centrx | You must be very sad |
| 05:45.30 | paxcoder | what kind of comment is that? |
| 05:45.58 | centrx | I would be sad if my system broke |
| 05:46.11 | paxcoder | i'm sad i have to use testing |
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| 05:46.17 | paxcoder | i was more annoyed with the brakeage |
| 05:46.51 | centrx | What other distribution is newer than testing? |
| 05:46.55 | paxcoder | i keep my data on a separate partition, so it's otherwise non-painful |
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| 05:47.04 | darkblue_b | therapy night at #debian ? |
| 05:47.32 | paxcoder | centrx, i'm guessing all big ones (based on) ubuntu, and probably fedora |
| 05:47.35 | paxcoder | but i wouldn't know |
| 05:47.52 | paxcoder | arch probably |
| 05:47.59 | centrx | paxcoder, Ubuntu can be up to six months old or more |
| 05:48.23 | paxcoder | centrx, that sentence is ambiguous |
| 05:48.47 | centrx | Ubuntu releases are every six months. Sometimes it is older. If the release happened to occur yesterday, it would be newer |
| 05:48.52 | centrx | Same with Fedora. Releases every six months |
| 05:49.00 | centrx | Sometimes testing is newer, sometimes testing is older. |
| 05:49.31 | centrx | It is not clear what you are looking for. |
| 05:50.27 | paxcoder | centrx, you're implying they update their repos only with the new version |
| 05:50.59 | centrx | You can choose to use unstable versions of the packages for any distribution |
| 05:51.40 | paxcoder | centrx, i don't think other distros have unstable versions |
| 05:51.46 | paxcoder | testing - yes, but not unstable |
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| 05:52.05 | paxcoder | I think that ehm... peculiarity is specific to Debian |
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| 05:52.21 | centrx | There is a nightly build of Ubuntu at least |
| 05:52.59 | paxcoder | that doesn't mean the packages are allowed to just not work together for example |
| 05:53.06 | paxcoder | *broken dependencies |
| 05:53.35 | centrx | You seem to have an issue with software development, or engineering in general |
| 05:54.01 | paxcoder | anyway, i've wented, unfortunately, i hold no merit, so i don't expect my voice to be acknowledged let alone influence a change in policy |
| 05:54.15 | centrx | You can choose the older, tried and true, product. Or you can choose the latest thing that might break. |
| 05:54.23 | centrx | You have not advocated any policy |
| 05:55.31 | paxcoder | i'd integrate unstable into testing by making broken dependencies a top priority |
| 05:56.38 | paxcoder | ideally though, a different system where you can move backwards as well as forwards in "time" (versions) of software would be ideal. but i don't have an idea how that would work, or even if it's plausible |
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| 05:57.37 | paxcoder | well, perhaps if the granularity of moves would be low then it'd be likely, but that's not ideal. |
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| 05:58.10 | centrx | paxcoder, You appear to have no experience developing large systems |
| 05:58.17 | centrx | paxcoder, But there is http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
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| 05:58.46 | centrx | paxcoder, Do you know of any distribution or operating system that has the system you describe? |
| 05:59.25 | ChibaPet | Eh? Of course OSes have unstable distributions. All of them. |
| 05:59.42 | paxcoder | well Windows sort of does, but the approach is different entirely. So I don't know. |
| 05:59.49 | centrx | ChibaPet, He wants an unstable distribution without bugs |
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| 05:59.55 | paxcoder | ChibaPet, testing doesn't mean unstable |
| 06:00.14 | dongbeigou | adran hello |
| 06:00.18 | paxcoder | centrx, bugs are ok, broken dependencies aren't |
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| 06:00.30 | centrx | paxcoder, A broken dependency is a bug |
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| 06:00.37 | paxcoder | centrx, nitpicking |
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| 06:00.46 | dongbeigou | baZhang |
| 06:00.46 | mosh | <paxcoder> well Windows sort of does, but the approach is different entirely. So I don't know. <--- Windows doesn't have an Unstable version, seeing as it is Unstable by nature. |
| 06:01.14 | paxcoder | mosh, heh. no i meant easy migration between versions |
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| 06:01.34 | mosh | Oh, well, Windows doesn't have that either. |
| 06:01.52 | dongbeigou | windows rocks suck up |
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| 06:02.09 | mosh | It does? |
| 06:02.09 | paxcoder | mosh, not of applicative and system software, not the operating system itself, nitpicker |
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| 06:02.25 | paxcoder | s/, not/, / |
| 06:02.31 | paxcoder | darnit. |
| 06:02.43 | paxcoder | meh, let nitpickers nitpick |
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| 06:03.11 | mosh | I wonder why all my Debian 7 servers have higher uptime than my Windows 2012R2 server |
| 06:03.23 | paxcoder | centrx, do you know of any such an OS? |
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| 06:04.15 | centrx | paxcoder, No, because it is absurd. You want a) no broken dependencies, and also b) compatibility between all versions of software including the latest pre-release updates |
| 06:04.17 | paxcoder | there should be one. i don't see what would stop an OS from reverting to a state in which it once was. |
| 06:04.42 | paxcoder | centrx, the two issues are separate and b) is a misportrayal of what i want |
| 06:04.52 | paxcoder | or rather, what I said would be ideal |
| 06:06.17 | paxcoder | ie reality constraints apply, so there would either be whole parts of systems that will have to be reverted at once (like they are now updated), or there would have to be multiple versions running at different times or on different (virtual) machines, i reckon |
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| 06:07.17 | mosh | The problem with reverting to previous versions of software is the inherent security risks of doing so. |
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| 06:07.34 | paxcoder | mosh, what are those? |
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| 06:08.04 | mosh | Okay, lets all run Windows XP Pro, but we won't install any service packs. |
| 06:08.25 | paxcoder | mosh, alright, thanks for the chat. |
| 06:08.27 | ChibaPet | Already there. |
| 06:08.42 | mosh | Watch how fast your system is remotely exploited and turned into using a zombie. |
| 06:08.45 | SirLagz | mosh: i have an unpatched windows xp machine. |
| 06:08.52 | SirLagz | it's not a zombie still |
| 06:09.12 | mosh | IP pls, I can change that in about 15 minutes. |
| 06:09.28 | SirLagz | i'd like to see you try :P |
| 06:09.40 | SirLagz | as it's not publicly accessible :P |
| 06:09.42 | paxcoder | ChibaPet, hey who's going to wait an exponentially increasing amount of time for updates to download? |
| 06:09.54 | mosh | That's probably why it hasn't been exploited. |
| 06:10.03 | SirLagz | mosh: indeedy :D |
| 06:10.29 | mosh | Anything that is connected to the internet is possibly exploitable. |
| 06:10.59 | paxcoder | Re: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/12/16/1959259/exponential-algorithm-in-windows-update-slowing-xp-machines |
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| 06:11.26 | mosh | Why put yourself at an even greater risk then you already are by reverting previos updates to the OS and Software. |
| 06:11.39 | mosh | *previous |
| 06:11.47 | paxcoder | mosh, because. |
| 06:11.56 | paxcoder | your question deserves my answer. |
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| 06:13.32 | ChibaPet | paxcoder: FWIW, Fedora has Rawhide. Debian has Sid. The BSDs have -current. Everyone has an unstable branch. |
| 06:14.09 | paxcoder | ChibaPet, are packages allowed to be uninstallable in Rawhide? |
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| 06:14.45 | paxcoder | ehm non-installable |
| 06:14.52 | ChibaPet | paxcoder: I don't know what their policies are, but yes, in any tree where you have developers adding things, there will be little race conditions where not everything has been uploaded. This is expected. |
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| 06:15.21 | paxcoder | ChibaPet, yeah, but perhaps there are locks to prevent colisions |
| 06:15.33 | paxcoder | which do not exist in Debian |
| 06:15.44 | ChibaPet | paxcoder: Unless you're using some rolling-release model, the developer editions (of which Sid is ours) aren't meant to be run by end users. They're not meant to be stable. |
| 06:15.45 | paxcoder | ChibaPet, and by the way, it's not just while it's uploading in Debian, you know that |
| 06:15.59 | ChibaPet | Locks? No. Development branches sometimes. |
| 06:16.05 | themill | there are such locks, it's called the migration from unstable to testing |
| 06:16.08 | paxcoder | ChibaPet, yes, same effect |
| 06:16.30 | ChibaPet | The experimental tree counts as a place for things that are really for sure expected to be broken for a while. |
| 06:16.38 | paxcoder | themill, no that would be reinstalling Debian |
| 06:16.40 | themill | But we've had exactly the same discussion before and got nowhere. Perhaps we should just move on |
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| 06:16.52 | themill | no it would not |
| 06:16.56 | paxcoder | and downgrading, mind you |
| 06:17.01 | themill | no it would not |
| 06:17.04 | ChibaPet | Ah, I've missed it in the past, but I'll agree, not least because I need to go to sleep. G'noight. |
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| 06:17.41 | paxcoder | themill, well at least for me simply changing sources to testing and then "upgrading" didn't do any good |
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| 06:19.57 | paxcoder | ChibaPet, if you're still here, you were right about Rawhide's dependencies. Though maintainers are auto-emailed about them. I don't suppose that happens for Debian unstable, eh? |
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| 06:23.06 | rryoumaa | what setting would make logs show disk errors as /dev/disk/by-id or something instead of /dev/sdx? |
| 06:24.11 | paxcoder | centrx, snapshot archives are interesting but a bit unweildly it seems. But if I add them to my sources, will installing a package automatically remove the newere package and its dependencies and install the old ones? |
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| 06:27.49 | paxcoder | oh it's an unofficial project ungh |
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| 06:28.02 | goodgocart | hi |
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| 06:29.13 | halfie | hi, is debian testing suitable for day-to-day work and development? |
| 06:29.23 | SirLagz | yes |
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| 06:29.44 | SirLagz | I use it to game and as a day to day machine |
| 06:29.54 | halfie | SirLagz, cool. I do prefer to have latest versions of the softwares. I run Fedora Rawhide currently. |
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| 06:30.06 | paxcoder | halfie, testing is. unstable - not so much. if you *need* a newer package, I suggest using pinning |
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| 06:30.25 | SirLagz | unstable is still ok if you don't mind fixing things every now and then |
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| 06:30.32 | SirLagz | i have an unstable desktop machine and it works pretty well |
| 06:30.46 | joj | Does somebody know a Debian repository with a build of e18 + dependencies? It's much of an hassle to build it myself ... |
| 06:31.05 | paxcoder | well as i've said earlier, it broke hard on me, but hey, i've been using it for five years, so... it's pretty good time to incident ;-) |
| 06:31.08 | SirLagz | is enlightenment up to 18 now ? wow. been a few years since i've used that |
| 06:31.17 | halfie | SirLagz, that is the reason I run Fedora Rawhide - so that I am the first to find and fix many bugs :-). but this time, I would like to be slightly more conservative (hence "jessie" instead of "sid") |
| 06:31.27 | SirLagz | halfie: testing does well for me |
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| 06:31.36 | halfie | SirLagz, installing it now :-) |
| 06:32.12 | joj | SirLagz: yes ... I'm not and I probably won't use it daily, but hey it's the weekend and I want to have a look on the eyecandy master ^^ |
| 06:32.28 | Yoshi1 | i keep getting this error where the screen freezes for a moment but the mouse can still be moved. how do i fix this |
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| 06:33.12 | halfie | grabbing "debian-testing-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso" |
| 06:33.14 | paxcoder | Yoshi1, i'd be happy that's all the X trouble I had |
| 06:33.45 | Yoshi1 | paxcoder: it is very very annoying when it happens a few times an hgour |
| 06:33.51 | paxcoder | oh |
| 06:34.14 | paxcoder | Yoshi1, what are you doing when it happens? |
| 06:34.35 | Yoshi1 | paxcoder: watching youtube playing minecraft |
| 06:35.06 | paxcoder | halfie, consider using netinst instead. it's smaller and you'll get the newest packets |
| 06:35.08 | SirLagz | joj: haha |
| 06:35.27 | halfie | paxcoder, yes, I would have but I have sucky sucky internet. |
| 06:35.41 | halfie | ;( |
| 06:35.42 | paxcoder | k |
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| 06:36.25 | paxcoder | Yoshi1, well X is weird, sorry I can't help. There are more specific channels, but I'd suggest trying to get help from someone else in here instead. |
| 06:37.44 | paxcoder | Yoshi1, how come you're using Debian and not Ubuntu? No offense but Flash and proprietary games (instead of eg. #minetest) are their MO |
| 06:38.23 | Yoshi1 | paxcoder: ubuntu went hat unity dexkstop and it pissed me off so much i replaced ubuntu with debian |
| 06:38.29 | Yoshi1 | desktop* |
| 06:38.46 | paxcoder | heh |
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| 06:39.51 | TeslaTony | If you don't mind KDE, XFCE or LXDE you could get Kubuntu, Xubuntu, or Lubuntu |
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| 06:40.40 | paxcoder | shh, multiculturalism is useful |
| 06:41.07 | TeslaTony | ...I don't have a retort armed for that |
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| 06:54.19 | Yoshi1 | TeslaTony: yeah well i dont have to dick around with the defaults. i just use debian and kde |
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| 06:57.45 | paxcoder | 2014. Still using KDE |
| 06:57.51 | paxcoder | ducks |
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| 06:59.44 | paxcoder | I just find KDE ugly. I wonder if that's the reason it's not the nr 1 DE. Because I get the feeling it got everything else better (except the initial license). |
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| 07:02.20 | TeslaTony | I rather like KDE. I had a slight preference for Gnome 2.x over KDE, but Gnome 3.x didn't impress me when I tried testing it |
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| 07:06.41 | arthurfiggis | TeslaTony: myself as well, i've been using either debian wheezy with kde or kubuntu 13.10 lately :) |
| 07:07.06 | TeslaTony | ....i've been using windows 8... |
| 07:07.13 | TeslaTony | hangs head in shame |
| 07:07.54 | arthurfiggis | TeslaTony: when i bought my new pc i formatted it off the hard drive and installed kubuntu pretty much immediately, then wheezy later :) is it really as bad as people make it out to be? |
| 07:08.02 | skyshadow | ill stick to gtk2, every rlease of gtk3 breaks so veru much, and where do the redhat devs think they are leading us? some fantasy land? gtk2 is all we really have for the time bing. |
| 07:08.35 | skyshadow | i dont want wayland or mir or whatnot |
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| 07:09.20 | Blue1 | gnome today. gnome tomorrow. gnome forever. (as long as it's NOT gnome 3) |
| 07:09.34 | TeslaTony | Windows 8? Nah, for the most part I actually like it, and since I'm a student I occasionaly need a bit of software that doesn't have a Linux equivalent. Plus, by my last benchmark, W8 is faster than W7, which is faster than Kubuntu, which is still faster than Ubuntu |
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| 07:10.14 | Blue1 | the first thing I did with win 8, was downgrade it to win 7. |
| 07:11.02 | TeslaTony | I dislike needing to sign in to use the metro store, but I took similar issue with Ubuntu 1 when it first arrived... |
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| 07:11.21 | skyshadow | i have no problems with the new ideas in gnome 3, i can see a future in them, however for the time being its xfce and gtk2 till they stabilize |
| 07:11.39 | Blue1 | well there must be a reason for Linus to use xfce |
| 07:11.58 | DarsVaeda | can you link to an easy tutorial/way or do you know one to setup mailing? sendmail works but I do not get any mail, I at least suppose it is due to the hostname or something |
| 07:12.31 | Blue1 | the issues with gnome 3 is that there is no documentation. if there were a gnome 3 for gnome 2 folks guide - I'd consider it -- but there was too much of a learning curve to be useful. same issue with w8. |
| 07:12.53 | Blue1 | unity scared the crap out of me -- |
| 07:14.09 | skyshadow | :Dars https://workaround.org/ispmail/squeeze |
| 07:14.11 | Blue1 | I crashed natty in 3 minutes (with unity) without trying. |
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| 07:14.29 | arthurfiggis | Blue1: I don't know if it's unity that bothered me so much as shuttleworth's "if you don't like it you can bite me" attitude, which kind of flies in the face of the whole community promise bit :) i'm glad that i'm able to use debian on this system |
| 07:14.44 | DarsVaeda | skyshadow: thx |
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| 07:15.09 | skyshadow | Dards:np |
| 07:15.32 | dizzylizzy | Why did you put that in quotes, arthurfiggis, I doubt he ever said that |
| 07:15.37 | dizzylizzy | ;) |
| 07:15.38 | DarsVaeda | although 19 steps... ^^ |
| 07:16.38 | arthurfiggis | dizzylizzy: well no, what he technically said was "you already trust us with root..." to which a lot of people evidently said "i think not" as debian's getting rather popular lately :) |
| 07:18.04 | Blue1 | This was my "goodbye" to ubuntu: http://pkill-9.com/dear-mark-ubuntu-10-04-lts/ |
| 07:18.08 | TeslaTony | arthurfiggis: Yeah, want to make a wild guess why I'm here? |
| 07:18.28 | dizzylizzy | in a sense I do trust debian with my root |
| 07:18.34 | halfie | the graphical installer started within 5 seconds. wtf! nice :-) |
| 07:18.39 | dizzylizzy | but only in the sense that debian develops apt and I let apt do what it does as root |
| 07:19.07 | Blue1 | well said |
| 07:19.12 | arthurfiggis | well i certainly trust debian with administrator-level access over canonical, no one at debian is trying to capture and sell my personal information :P |
| 07:19.23 | dizzylizzy | D: POPCONNNNN |
| 07:19.28 | Blue1 | touche' |
| 07:19.28 | skyshadow | debian is good, i love it, but i wish our packages were compiled on conrolled systems instead of the the maintainers, but I love debian full hard non stop |
| 07:19.37 | dizzylizzy | Blue1: was joke |
| 07:19.41 | halfie | Blue1, removed Xubuntu 13.010 from my system today :-) Installing "jessie" now. |
| 07:19.42 | Blue1 | i know |
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| 07:20.44 | Blue1 | one of the issues I had in switching from ubuntu to debian was sudo |
| 07:21.09 | skyshadow | wut blue1? |
| 07:21.15 | Blue1 | i had to play games with /etc/group to get sudo working. I did not have to do that with ubuntu |
| 07:21.33 | arthurfiggis | Blue1: oh, well that's easy enough to fix, you can add yourself to the sudo group :) it's not done by default for security reasons i'd imagine |
| 07:22.05 | skyshadow | vi /etc/sudoers |
| 07:22.31 | skyshadow | or visudo |
| 07:22.44 | Blue1 | this was easier: http://pkill-9.com/how-to-easily-do-sudo-in-debian/ |
| 07:22.49 | arthurfiggis | though admittedly in trying kubuntu i like the fact that it does a few things on its own that in debian take some more effort :( on the other hand, kubuntu's fate kind of hangs into balance on whether or not ubuntu upstream decides to ditch wayland and go with mir |
| 07:23.05 | arthurfiggis | (rather than supporting them both somehow :) ) |
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| 07:23.58 | Blue1 | I might look at SuSE again |
| 07:24.09 | Blue1 | i cut my teeth with that. |
| 07:24.40 | skyshadow | so im lazy, really lazy, but ive been using debian or freebsd for 15 years as my desktop, can I get a JOB doing this shit??? my personal sysops is limited as i am lazy and script all that i can |
| 07:25.05 | Blue1 | I have been doing linux for 9 years |
| 07:25.11 | skyshadow | oh i know no puppet |
| 07:25.17 | DarsVaeda | how do I get the permission to use mail? I get "Program mode requires special privileges, e.g., root or TrustedUser." |
| 07:25.20 | Blue1 | if I wanted to move to austin, I could get a job.... |
| 07:25.55 | Blue1 | I am retired, and looking for something I could either volunteer, or work p/t |
| 07:25.58 | skyshadow | i just arrived back in the states and it looks like IT or the highway for me |
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| 07:26.36 | skyshadow | fuck it ill just teach english is that is my lot in life |
| 07:26.44 | skyshadow | if^ |
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| 07:27.29 | skyshadow | im not far form austin at all, lots of BIG corps there |
| 07:27.41 | dizzylizzy | skyshadow: the best sysadmins script everything they can |
| 07:27.46 | dizzylizzy | script yourself out of a job |
| 07:27.57 | Blue1 | yup gatorhost was looking for people - they had several billboard ads here in Tucson |
| 07:28.34 | skyshadow | well, as i just got here, i would be right back where i started within a week |
| 07:29.06 | skyshadow | im not bad with bash, but took only a few couses in c and c++ |
| 07:29.18 | joj | dizzylizzy: And therefore sysadmins have to make sure nobody else can do their job. You know what I mean ... |
| 07:30.38 | skyshadow | yeah dizzylizzy: obsolete the new ones, i know, much mumbo so bosses depend on you |
| 07:31.14 | skyshadow | bs is not mu style |
| 07:31.24 | Blue1 | I am so so with bash -- I took c like 30 years ago it seems |
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| 07:33.52 | skyshadow | i just wanted to analyze data for astronomy, now I love gnu/linux, little c was needed |
| 07:34.31 | skyshadow | anywan I miss adventure in the states, somethind is wrong here |
| 07:35.01 | skyshadow | boring |
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| 07:38.22 | skyshadow | ive been using debian or openbsd since 2000, just wish i could get a JOB with it perhaps, but would that ruin my love for what is ours, not some corporate profit seekers ambition, but humanity's future? |
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| 07:39.21 | damo22 | skyshadow: you could try to offer open source solutions to small companies perhaps |
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| 07:42.10 | skyshadow | i am all worlds of fucked damo; i can write and admin anything i want, blaaaa, just got to the states and it sucks here job wise, and it just sucks |
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| 07:42.25 | arthurfiggis | damo22: absolutely...my first job was writing a php/mysql based inventory system for a local university actually, they wanted an inventory system that was web based and wouldn't cost them the $15000 the commercial one was going to cost :P |
| 07:43.27 | damo22 | :) |
| 07:44.29 | skyshadow | anything web interfacing with a db and you day it is free? bs that shit is hard |
| 07:45.33 | damo22 | no one said it was free, you get paid for it |
| 07:45.41 | skyshadow | damo22:tyvm i will see what i can do the help goodwill |
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| 07:47.50 | skyshadow | i think maybe i just go walk dogs intested of IT and gnu/linux |
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| 07:48.00 | halfie | X in debian "jessie" crashes under KVM (with QXL) |
| 07:48.05 | halfie | :-( |
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| 07:50.49 | arthurfiggis | skyshadow: hey, for some people it's a hobby, not a job...nothing wrong with that as long as you can find work :) which is not easy these days i'll admit, after comcast closed the center i was working at i've been stuck for a while |
| 07:51.04 | arthurfiggis | probably time to go back to school and get certified...bills bills bills :( |
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| 07:57.09 | skyshadow | i cant find work, i just moved back to the usa 4 weeks ago and am now living in my parents fucking basement like a old slashdot troll, while before i was doing almost well in cambodia and now i see there is a mini deb con in pnh, FML |
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| 08:01.25 | babilen | dpkg: ot |
| 08:01.25 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 08:01.57 | babilen | SireWolf: Please finally figure out how to use IRC, ta |
| 08:02.01 | skyshadow | ty again dpkg ill go chill out for abit |
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| 08:04.19 | Blue1 | somedays -- I hate it |
| 08:04.44 | Blue1 | I have done my fair share of hokey pokey |
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| 08:06.37 | Blue1 | this was a nice hokey pokey: http://pkill-9.com/stabilizing-atheros-ar9485-ath9k-connection-linux-wheezy/ |
| 08:07.22 | babilen | Please, take it to -offtopic unless you require support with a specific problem. Ta! |
| 08:07.30 | skyshadow | im too add and out for the night, cya |
| 08:07.53 | Blue1 | night -- oaf to bed |
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| 08:24.29 | Juslintek | Hey guys, DNS hobbyists and professionals! I got a question, which DNS servers soft is best for hosting it on linux as dedicated dns server? :-) And approx. how much resources would this server require is there any calculator? If not are there any formulas? And finally how to automatically update dns with new ips or nameservers on client account in hosting panel if he was moved from one vps to |
| 08:24.31 | Juslintek | other, are there any premade software and scripts for that specifically on Debian or do I have to make my own. If I have to make my own, do you know any guides, or could hint me where I could start or what should I start with? |
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| 08:28.02 | phone | can you run CUPSd behind a proxy, such as nginx? |
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| 08:47.40 | shomon | hi, I just installed debian and I probably didn't install the right one as I got left in a prompt and startx doesn't seem to be there or gdm |
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| 08:54.41 | ChrisH | Juslintek: THE BEST has no answer. For me the best is the one I know best. So I use Bind9 everywhere. My preferred tool to modify the zonefiles is vi |
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| 09:00.31 | quinso | Hello. Is there a program to debug a gamepad? That means to show when and what I press on it? Preferably with gui. |
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| 09:00.43 | Juslintek | ChrisH, well by best I mean highest performance and least resource demanding ;-) |
| 09:01.42 | nomad_dw | Juslintek: You may have already answered this, but are you looking for an authoratative DNS server, or a resolver (caching or otherwise)? |
| 09:01.54 | petern_ | Hmm, thinking of setting up a wordpress for the missus... is there any particular reason to use the Debian package for it? |
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| 09:02.47 | nomad_dw | Juslintek: Bind9 can do both, and is well worth knowing as it is "the standard". Here at work though we use NSD and Unbound. |
| 09:03.04 | Juslintek | Well thats good :-) |
| 09:03.08 | nomad_dw | All I can suggest other than that is to stay away from djbdns... |
| 09:03.33 | Juslintek | So for example what are the spec of the box it is in? |
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| 09:04.43 | Juslintek | Because we are thinking of making two of them one on VPS orther on dedicated physical machine as redundant :-) Well probably not that dedicated, but alternative ;-) |
| 09:05.12 | Juslintek | they will be nameserver 1 and nameserver 2 |
| 09:05.29 | nomad_dw | Juslintek: At work we have a set of management hosts that run all our "internal" services, so not just DNS, and they're cheap 1u boxes with a few gigs |
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| 09:05.47 | nomad_dw | But at home I'm using raspberrypis, and they're happy ;) |
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| 09:06.02 | Juslintek | How much users rasberry can handle? |
| 09:06.10 | adc | shomon: You could login as root and run `tasksel` and install the desktop environment this way |
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| 09:06.34 | nomad_dw | Juslintek: if you're concerned about resource use, I'd go do NSD and Unbound, rather than BIND, which has known issues with resources. |
| 09:06.37 | Juslintek | which debian distro you are using on rasp? |
| 09:06.47 | nomad_dw | Juslintek: rasbian wheezy |
| 09:06.49 | adc | shomon: that will install a gnome desktop environment with basic applications for you |
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| 09:07.19 | shomon | okay I will try that thanks |
| 09:07.36 | adc | shomon: no problem, come back if you have more questions |
| 09:07.42 | shomon | how do I get out of startx though? when I type that the whole thing goes zombie and I get a tiny version of the terminal prompt at the top of the screen |
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| 09:07.52 | shomon | I hope I don't have to reboot all over again |
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| 09:08.18 | adc | shomon: if you logged in at the first TTY, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and hit Ctrl+c |
| 09:08.22 | Juslintek | nomad_dw, thank you a lot mate for this info, oh do you have any guides, best practices for setups, oh and as well we use da, do you know any means of updating dns with changed ips of users? |
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| 09:08.34 | adc | shomon: that will kill the X server |
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| 09:08.46 | shomon | aah thanks |
| 09:08.52 | shomon | I was used to ctrl alt backspace |
| 09:09.07 | Juslintek | nomad_dw, DA - Direct Admin as control panel, for user hosting accounts |
| 09:09.23 | adc | shomon: that should also work unless the X-server somehow hangs |
| 09:09.23 | nomad_dw | Juslintek: no worries, glad to help. I can't think of any guides OTTOMH, and never heard of DA before, so not sure I can help you there. |
| 09:10.05 | nomad_dw | We build our zonefiles from YAML data and Template files (using TT)... |
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| 09:10.37 | shomon | oh no.. now it says "/media/cdrom" please insert disk 2 and press intro |
| 09:10.40 | shomon | (summarized) |
| 09:10.47 | shomon | but I installed from usb... |
| 09:10.58 | nomad_dw | One of the really nice things about NSD is that it uses BIND style zonefiles too, so I didn't have to retool much for the migration. |
| 09:11.00 | shomon | do I have to find someone with a cd writer :S |
| 09:11.17 | adc | shomon: ok, edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the CD entries if you don't have them |
| 09:11.21 | Juslintek | nomad_dw, nice :-) |
| 09:11.34 | jelly-home | shomon: do you have internet access? |
| 09:11.36 | adc | shomon: the machine is not connected to the internet? |
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| 09:12.15 | shomon | yes jelly |
| 09:12.24 | shomon | jelly-home, I mean, sorry |
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| 09:12.40 | shomon | it is, but maybe as it's a fresh install it doesn't know how to read the eth stuff.. |
| 09:12.48 | shomon | it's installing fine from apt-get install |
| 09:12.50 | nomad_dw | shomon: You may have to edit your `/etc/apt/sources.list` as it sounds like it only has details about CD/DVDs. |
| 09:12.54 | milligan | I've just installed plymouth and downloaded+added a new theme that I want to use a my bootsplash. /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme --list displays the new theme and /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme THEME works fine. update-initramfs -u has no errors and everything seems dandy. When I boot though, the splash hasn't changed. Any idea why ? |
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| 09:13.56 | shomon | ah it's much happier now. thanks nomad_dw jelly-home and adc :) |
| 09:13.57 | adc | shomon: you can see more details about /etc/apt/sources.list at https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 09:15.17 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell shomon about install x |
| 09:15.19 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell shomon about install gnome |
| 09:15.22 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell shomon about install xfce |
| 09:15.30 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 09:16.42 | shomon | thanks! |
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| 09:26.27 | Radon_3 | I think I owe guest442 from yesterday a big apology |
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| 09:30.48 | sq9 | "#cat /etc/issue" says "Debian GNU/Linux jessie/sid \n \l" |
| 09:31.02 | sq9 | am i running Testing? or is it unstable? |
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| 09:35.49 | forcer | sq9: What does lsb_release -d say? |
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| 09:36.15 | sq9 | Debian GNU/Linux unstable (sid) |
| 09:36.25 | sq9 | thanks :) |
| 09:36.30 | forcer | :-) |
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| 09:37.10 | sq9 | forcer: any guesses why /etc/issue says what it does/ |
| 09:37.11 | sq9 | ? |
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| 09:38.23 | eeeGiuuu | Hi, I'm trying to boot a linux 3.x kernel from a root software raided partition; with initramfs I have no problems, whilst trying to boot without I encounter the following error: "VFS: unable to mount root fs [cut] unknown block (0,0)". What could be the problem? |
| 09:38.44 | forcer | sq9: Best guess would be that it's because of the way testing works - it's a file in the base-files package, and it's not (easily) possible to have one base-files package in unstable and another in testing (because the one in unstable would automatically migrate over). So they just put both in. |
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| 09:39.44 | sq9 | forcer: thanks. is it normal for unstable to freeze up occassionally? i end up having to hard reboot twice a month |
| 09:39.53 | forcer | eeeGiuuu: The kernel is lacking modules for the software raid, which are available on the initram? |
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| 09:40.44 | forcer | sq9: Well, it *is* "unstable", but that sounds either like a bug or a hardware problem. If you can somehow reproduce it or get more ideas on why it is happening, please do file a bug report. |
| 09:41.11 | eeeGiuuu | forcer: I compiled them all in the kernel, there are no modules in the initramfs |
| 09:41.27 | forcer | eeeGiuuu: Then no idea. |
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| 09:42.11 | nomad_dw | eeeGiuuu: what storage controller are you using? |
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| 09:43.54 | eeeGiuuu | nomad_dw: if you mean hardware raid controller, I don't have one |
| 09:44.03 | eeeGiuuu | (I'm using mdadm) |
| 09:44.14 | Clement_ | Does anyone know why an amd64 package has a bad dependency on amd64 and good dependency on i386? This makes no sense, package's name includes amd64 so it should be a amd64 package. http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/linux-image-amd64 |
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| 09:44.43 | nomad_dw | eeeGiuuu: There will have to be some form of hardware controller, either as a card, or on the mainboard. |
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| 09:45.01 | nomad_dw | The reason I ask is that I've had issues with some (LSI I'm looking at you) in the past. |
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| 09:45.50 | HerrApa | Howdy, apt-cacher-ng or squid-deb-proxy? Or something else? Thoughts....? |
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| 09:47.11 | eeeGiuuu | nomad_dw: uhm, I have no idea! I have a Dell poweredge R210 II (without an hw raid controller) |
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| 09:48.37 | nomad_dw | eeeGiuuu: Dell often have LSI based boards, I can't remember what's in the R210 by default. |
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| 09:49.09 | danialbehzadi | Hi. I upgraded my Debian experimental last night and now I can not run the gdm3. I think it's related somehow to systemd since the system is not booted with it |
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| 09:52.17 | nomad_dw | eeeGiuuu: it looks like for the R210 you can specify either nothing (which may allow for "onboard" SATA), a PERC S300 (which won't work at all) or a Perc H200 (which should work, but might need you to reconfigure things, pre-boot, in the bios). |
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| 09:53.17 | misseri | ciao |
| 09:53.19 | misseri | !list |
| 09:53.19 | dpkg | misseri: Ăˆ possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.3.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 09:54.39 | eeeGiuuu | nomad_hw: I think I have an onboard SATA actually (from linux I see 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family SATA AHCI Controller (rev 04) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])) |
| 09:55.41 | nomad_dw | eeeGiuuu: That looks like the on board, which should be OK. |
| 09:56.01 | nomad_dw | I was just trying to exclude things that _may_ be causing your issue. |
| 09:56.11 | nomad_dw | Have you tried booting from the live rescue image? |
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| 09:56.55 | eeeGiuuu | yes, it boots fine (and also using an initramfs); I've read something about mdadm metadata versions |
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| 09:57.11 | eeeGiuuu | I tried to change it, but it still fails :[ |
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| 09:58.59 | mbruins | hiya |
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| 10:08.22 | milligan | Anyone familiar with plymouth and bootsplashes? I have managed to make the splasher run now .. but it's not showing i.e text for the password prompt (to decrypt the drive), and once it reaches the login prompt, the splasher doesn't exit.. Any ideas? |
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| 10:09.42 | Walex | milligan: I hate it... |
| 10:10.12 | milligan | Walex, Seemingly, according to my numerous google searches, you are not alone! |
| 10:10.36 | Walex | milligan: there was a famous article by a guy who claimed that Plymouth was not primarily a splasher, even if he admitted that its own man page said it was primarily a splasher! |
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| 10:11.46 | oznt | can I connect machines created by virt-install to be viewed by virt-manager? |
| 10:12.00 | Walex | milligan: his contention was related to your issue BTW. The argued that Plymouth is primary a console multipler, for boot etc. messages and prompts |
| 10:12.43 | milligan | What does multipler mean? |
| 10:13.29 | Walex | milligan: I meant multiplexer -- many programs, one console, prevent the many programs inout and output from getting mingled |
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| 10:14.05 | Walex | milligan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/556372/comments/2 |
| 10:14.49 | milligan | Well, it's pretty much doing that. I want to suppress pretty much all text.. apart from required text (i.e password to decrypt disk) and I want it to "exit" once it reaches the prompt. Exit or go to the background so the login prompt is displayed. At the moment, the console is useless, because plymouth is hogging it. |
| 10:15.17 | milligan | ah. This is definitely a headless system. |
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| 10:21.30 | DebianN00b | Hi |
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| 10:22.18 | DebianN00b | I did a mistake : a dpkg -i on a wrong package and I had this error " libexpat1:amd64 depends on libc6 (>= 2.14); however: |
| 10:22.21 | DebianN00b | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.21 | DebianN00b | " |
| 10:22.37 | DebianN00b | How can I force dpkg/apt-get to forget about this installation ? |
| 10:23.26 | milligan | Walex, looks like it was just a design flaw in the theme I was using. Using one of the default ones, it's working like a charm! |
| 10:23.30 | daemonkeeper | apt-get -f install |
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| 10:23.45 | DebianN00b | deathleff: that's for me ? |
| 10:23.54 | daemonkeeper | Yes. |
| 10:23.57 | DebianN00b | daemonkeeper: sorry ;) |
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| 10:25.30 | DebianN00b | daemonkeeper: I don't want this : http://paste.debian.net/76752/ |
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| 10:25.40 | nomad_dw | Walex: And there I thought plymouth was just to stop the screen jittering during boot and make it all shiny! |
| 10:25.50 | nomad_dw | (during mode changes etc..) |
| 10:26.28 | daemonkeeper | Then do dpkg -r on the package and the dependencies pulled manually. |
| 10:26.28 | DebianN00b | iU libexpat1:amd64 2.1.0-4 <--- I think this "iU" is wrong, I went to make this U away, how ? |
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| 10:27.30 | DebianN00b | daemonkeeper: the package is not installed : missing dependencies... |
| 10:27.30 | jelly | DebianN00b: do you want it to be installed, even if no other package depends on it? |
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| 10:27.36 | daemonkeeper | It is. |
| 10:27.44 | jaggz|3 | where is the initscript which clears var/locks? |
| 10:27.45 | DebianN00b | no, I don't want to install it |
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| 10:28.11 | jelly | DebianN00b: purge it, then. either dpkg -P packagename or aptitude purge packagename |
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| 10:28.25 | DebianN00b | I've downloaded libexpat1_2.1.0-4_amd64.deb and did a dpkg -i on it, was a BAD idea, the package is not installed, but pending, and I don't want to go futher |
| 10:28.28 | daemonkeeper | DebianN00b: It is not fully unpacked, but it is installed. Thus, remove it. |
| 10:28.47 | daemonkeeper | with dpkg -r, or jelly's way. |
| 10:28.48 | jaggz|3 | hmm.. maybe checkroot-bootclean |
| 10:29.03 | jelly | daemonkeeper: isn't it first letter "Wanted state", second letter "actual status" |
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| 10:29.35 | daemonkeeper | jelly: Yes. and U means "unpacked, but stuck int that process" |
| 10:29.41 | DebianN00b | ha ok |
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| 10:29.48 | DebianN00b | I want to rollback |
| 10:30.16 | DebianN00b | look at the output : http://paste.debian.net/76753/ |
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| 10:30.29 | daemonkeeper | _-r_ |
| 10:30.32 | daemonkeeper | not -i |
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| 10:31.10 | shomon | hi again... I need b43 firmware.. is it in an apt-package? |
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| 10:32.16 | DebianN00b | http://paste.debian.net/76756/ |
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| 10:33.04 | nevyn | !tell shomon about b43 |
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| 10:34.25 | daemonkeeper | DebianN00b: force it, then do apt-get -f install which /may/ pull the pristine version. |
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| 10:35.40 | DebianN00b | no Daemoen : http://paste.debian.net/76752/ I don't want to remove all those packages |
| 10:36.28 | daemonkeeper | that's not what I said. I said, you should _force_ removal of libexpat1, apt-get install libexpat1, then possibly apt-get -f install. |
| 10:38.14 | shomon | thanks nevyn |
| 10:38.17 | DebianN00b | daemon : But i don't want to install libexpat1 |
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| 10:38.56 | shomon | how do you get a bit better security in debian.. is there a how-to or maybe a package that tests / tells you problem areas? |
| 10:40.04 | milligan | Walex, scratch that. It was buggy as hell. Would you recommend any other application to do the job ? |
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| 10:42.03 | daemonkeeper | DebianN00b: You do need it, because all the packages you do not want to remove depend on it. |
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| 10:44.53 | DebianN00b | daemon : there is not other possibility ? :/ |
| 10:45.48 | Walex | milligan: no idea, sorry |
| 10:46.05 | Walex | milligan: but note that as the links say you can run Plymouth without themes. |
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| 10:47.04 | milligan | Yeah - that kind of defeated my purpose though. |
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| 10:49.57 | Walex | milligan: you might try the other themes.... Or develop your own. |
| 10:50.30 | koell | When I install avahi, my machines are available via HOSTNAME.local, right? But when I install samba on them, I don't need the .local suffix? |
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| 10:51.58 | koell | :) |
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| 10:52.38 | Walex | koell: it's your choice either way. |
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| 10:53.20 | koell | Walex: but I need samba if I want other hostnames reachable without suffix? |
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| 10:54.33 | koell | Walex: there is also a .lan suffix.... weird :8 |
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| 10:55.10 | daemonkeeper | DebianN00b: According to your apt, no. |
| 10:55.12 | Walex | koell: both Avahi and Samba will behave the way you configure them. If you don't like the defaults you change them... |
| 10:55.47 | Ormu | checksums don't match for the ISO downloaded from here, tested twice: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 10:55.57 | DebianN00b | daemon : Thanks |
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| 10:56.43 | Walex | DebianN00b: if you know what you are doing you can use Aptitude to customize what happens, but then your '/nick' indicates that's not the case. |
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| 11:13.49 | fcp13 | hello |
| 11:14.05 | fcp13 | i'm tryng to install e1000e network driver |
| 11:14.21 | fcp13 | and when try do make |
| 11:14.36 | fcp13 | appears kernel header files not in any of the expeted location |
| 11:14.54 | fcp13 | anyone can help |
| 11:15.04 | fcp13 | i only have dvd 1 of debian 7 |
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| 11:15.45 | Leoneof | hi, i'm using Debian jessie with xfce, it consumes ~700Mb of RAM, all of xfce parts like panel, xfdesktop, xfwm etc are between 30-45mb, i created new account but it's still with same problem, what to do? |
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| 11:16.40 | Walex | Leoneof: #Debina-next on OFTC for unreleased software |
| 11:16.51 | Leoneof | ok |
| 11:16.52 | Walex | Leoneof: #Debian-next on OFTC for unreleased software |
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| 11:17.40 | Walex | Leoneof: (my) general idea is that if you are using unreleased software you are a very advanced Debian expert and it is difficult to help you :-) |
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| 11:18.34 | Leoneof | :\ |
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| 11:18.51 | quinso | Hello. Every time I boot my computer, I have to change some values for different channels in GNOME Alsa Mixer, otherwise I hear my own microphone. How can I do that automatically each boot? I think I use pulseaudio. |
| 11:18.53 | zinx | yeah, if you use unstable/testing, you better know what you're doing already :/ |
| 11:19.01 | Ormu | checksums don't match for the ISO downloaded from here, tested twice: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 11:19.06 | Ormu | can someone check/fix? |
| 11:20.01 | Walex | fcp13: why are you trying to *compile* the driver? isn't it included with the kernel |
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| 11:20.49 | Walex | Ormu: I have downloaded it and the SHA1 checksum matches. |
| 11:21.19 | Walex | Ormu: have you burned it to a DVD and then checked the checksum on the DVD? |
| 11:22.00 | Ormu | walex: no |
| 11:22.24 | Ormu | i mount it in VBox so I don't need physical disc |
| 11:22.26 | Walex | Ormu: the other checksums match too. |
| 11:23.00 | Ormu | checksum for i386 matched for me too, but not this... could this be a mirror issue if you don't have the problem? |
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| 11:23.54 | Walex | Ormu: I downloaded from the same URL, and it could be a mirror issue if a mirror is involved and they did not use RSYNC to mirror |
| 11:24.40 | fcp13 | Walex i think not or i'm doing wrong on detect network devices |
| 11:25.41 | Walex | fcp13: if you want to build yourself you have to know how to build kernel modules using Makefiles or whatever else. |
| 11:25.44 | Ormu | walex: if you ping cdimage.debian.org what's the result? when i did that the return was from hammurabi.acc.umu.se |
| 11:25.56 | Walex | fcp13: have you tried using one of the 'wheezy-backports' kernels? |
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| 11:26.31 | fcp13 | i don't have network :S |
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| 11:27.57 | fcp13 | i do lspci -nn | grep network |
| 11:28.03 | Walex | fcp13: no other computer? No USB network dongle? |
| 11:28.19 | fcp13 | and appears network controller 0280 intel corp device 8086:08b2 |
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| 11:29.30 | yossarianuk | hi - does anyone use tripwire here /; |
| 11:29.32 | yossarianuk | ? |
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| 11:36.23 | Walex | fcp13: that looks like it is indeed unsupported in kernel 3.2 in 7/Wheezy. It is a WiFi chipset and very recent WiFi chipsets are often not supported by older kernels. |
| 11:36.55 | fcp13 | no way to resolve that? |
| 11:36.57 | fcp13 | :( |
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| 11:38.10 | fcp13 | and network card :S |
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| 11:38.58 | Walex | fcp13: use the wired connection, Transfer a newer 'linux-image' kernel via CD/USb key/... to your laptop. |
| 11:39.26 | fcp13 | i have last version |
| 11:39.29 | fcp13 | iso build |
| 11:39.45 | Walex | fcp13: backported kernel version '3.12-0.bpo.1' has support for that chipset |
| 11:40.31 | Walex | fcp13: that would be file 'linux-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64_3.12.6-2~bpo70+1_amd64.deb' for 64b systems |
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| 11:41.45 | Walex | fcp13: has your laptop got no wired interface? |
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| 11:43.05 | fcp13 | yap doesnt detected on install |
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| 11:44.43 | mojca | I have questions about and information for https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/WxWidgets/Transition2.8to3.0 (I'm unable to register though). Who can I talk to via e-mail? I'm maintaining wxwidgets for another distribution. |
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| 11:45.05 | Ormu | Walex: what was the md5 sum when you tested? |
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| 11:45.18 | ExeciN | how can I have both network manager and connman installed? I want connman to be loaded only on enlightenment and network manager on everything else. |
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| 11:47.28 | abrotman | mojca: if you click the WxWidgets at the top of the page, it takes you to the team page with contact info |
| 11:48.05 | mojca | abrotman: I get "You are not allowed to access this!" |
| 11:48.43 | abrotman | https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/WxWidgets for that? or the alioth page? |
| 11:48.53 | milligan | Where is the plymouth theme solars config script stored? I can't seem to figure out where it's loading its debian logo from. |
| 11:49.10 | mojca | yes |
| 11:49.28 | abrotman | that was an or question :) |
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| 11:49.50 | mojca | abrotman: actually, I'm not able to access wiki at all |
| 11:50.09 | abrotman | mojca: check packages.debian.org, see if you can find the maintainer there .. moment |
| 11:50.27 | mojca | I will. But is anything wrong with the wiki? |
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| 11:51.07 | abrotman | mojca: seems to work for me at the moment |
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| 11:51.52 | Ormu | hmm... someone apparently fixed the mismatching stuff because now it matched... and the download page shows last update at 11:24 UTC lol |
| 11:52.54 | abrotman | mojca: qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=freewx-maint%40lists.alioth.debian.org |
| 11:53.01 | abrotman | mojca: better? |
| 11:54.23 | mojca | abrotman: thank you; about the wiki: I tried to register and maybe the problems started after that. I need to test if I deleting a cookie would help |
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| 11:54.56 | abrotman | mojca: may have been an anti-abuse thing, thought you were a spammer |
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| 11:55.15 | abrotman | who knows :) |
| 11:55.22 | mojca | and how do I work around that? |
| 11:55.26 | abrotman | internets who gets it ... |
| 11:55.44 | abrotman | mojca: probably a time-based thing if thats what it is |
| 11:55.58 | abrotman | based on your ip |
| 11:56.04 | abrotman | is guessing |
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| 12:03.18 | Walex | fcp13: that you laptop does not detect a wired interface is rather unlikely. Does it have a physical Ethernet socket? |
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| 12:36.19 | fcp13 | Walex done my network card installed ;) |
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| 12:41.57 | sKeiths | I am mid squeeze->wheezy. updating and remove packages etc went perfect. I have just changed sources.list to the wheezy list and done and update but I have gotten errors. I wanted to be reassured before continuing. http://paste.debian.net/76801/ |
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| 12:42.48 | themill | dpkg: tell sKeiths about wheezy sources.list |
| 12:43.00 | themill | sKeiths: your entry for debian-security is wrong |
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| 12:43.39 | sKeiths | i'll fix and retry. thanks. |
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| 12:45.41 | sKeiths | themill: no errors this time. :) |
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| 12:45.54 | themill | :) |
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| 12:46.49 | tuv | j #pelican |
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| 12:47.54 | ToApolytoXaos | greetings everyone. i just ran updates and grub 2 got installed and fails to install to /dev/sda |
| 12:48.15 | ToApolytoXaos | is there any reason for such behavior? i have checked which disk partition is bootable and it's /dev/sda1 |
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| 12:49.11 | ToApolytoXaos | please advice because i don't know how to solve this issue. cheers |
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| 12:50.46 | odla_ | hi, why won't gnome 3 start for me on wheezy? |
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| 12:51.47 | odla_ | i have installed firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 12:52.09 | odla_ | i will try firmware-linux-free and reboot see if that works |
| 12:52.25 | nevyn | odla_: is x11 working? |
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| 12:52.43 | nkuttler | !tell ToApolytoXaos about errors |
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| 12:53.14 | odla | still not working |
| 12:53.15 | ToApolytoXaos | nkuttler, "grub failed to install to the following devices: /dev/sda" |
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| 12:53.35 | nkuttler | ToApolytoXaos: entire command + output please, use paste.debian.net |
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| 12:54.09 | ToApolytoXaos | what command? the command was "aptitude update", "aptitude safe-upgrade", and pressed "Y" to continue. that's all |
| 12:54.19 | ToApolytoXaos | the same procedure i run for ages now |
| 12:54.46 | nkuttler | ToApolytoXaos: sounds like a grub-install went wrong, what happens when you grub-install /dev/sda |
| 12:55.50 | ToApolytoXaos | i say "no" during procedure, because it says "Do you want to continue anyway? If you do, your computer may not start up properly." |
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| 12:57.33 | Koma | I've wrongly choosen to not use dbconfig-common how can I relaunch the wizard? |
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| 12:58.06 | ToApolytoXaos | then it gets me back to the previous window http://pbrd.co/1czJ1Yj |
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| 13:01.19 | cockroach | hey everyone. i have a small issue with an intel GMA 500 chip: as soon as I load the gma500_gfx kernel module my screen goes black and i can't seem to recover from that. I tried with kernel 3.2 from wheezy and 3.12 from unstable, same result. does anyone have any ideas on what I might be doing wrong? |
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| 13:03.26 | ToApolytoXaos | cockroach, i don't know if it helps, but i have had the same issue with my onboard graphics card and installed both intel module and vesa and worked fine afterwards |
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| 13:04.14 | cockroach | ToApolytoXaos: thanks, that sounds interesting. would that be the vesa fb module? |
| 13:04.23 | cockroach | ToApolytoXaos: or the xorg driver? |
| 13:04.28 | flos | cockroach, ToApolytoXaos, could you blacklist the module and summit a bug? |
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| 13:04.59 | ToApolytoXaos | flos: which one, intel's module or vesa's? |
| 13:05.13 | cockroach | flos: i can blacklist it but I think I need it for X (if I ever manage to get the xorg psb driver to compile) |
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| 13:06.02 | flos | ToApolytoXaos, cockroach, the intel's module. as vesa could be a basic driver which can work with most adaptors. |
| 13:06.14 | ToApolytoXaos | ok |
| 13:06.57 | cockroach | flos: sounds like a plan. i'd ilke to find out some more details before submitting a random "does not work" bug :) |
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| 13:08.01 | flos | cockroach, but if the 'xorg psb' depends on the intel's module, i would firstly make the intel's module work. |
| 13:08.08 | flos | cockroach, :) |
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| 13:09.01 | cockroach | flos: indeed :) - i was hoping for some more display options in the xorg driver though to figure out what might be the issue. could just be that it's using the wrong resolution. |
| 13:09.05 | Radon_3 | is anyone willing to help me with my display resolution? |
| 13:09.21 | cockroach | ToApolytoXaos: on that note, which X driver are you using? fbdev? |
| 13:09.59 | ToApolytoXaos | xorg |
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| 13:10.25 | flos | cockroach, maybe you could specify the resolution in /etc/xorg.conf? or create a file with proper settings in /etc/xorg.conf.d |
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| 13:11.26 | flos | Radon_3, what is the issue? |
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| 13:11.44 | cockroach | flos: i will. at the moment i'm still working on getting the stupid bsd driver to compile though... |
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| 13:12.19 | Thraul | hi all. Should I be using PulseAudio, ALSA or OSS? |
| 13:12.27 | flos | cockroach, aha, good luck! :) |
| 13:12.52 | cockroach | Thraul: depends. i'm using ALSA since I've always had issues with pulseaudio. OSS is deprecated so you probably shouldn't use it. |
| 13:12.55 | cockroach | flos: thanks :) |
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| 13:14.31 | Thraul | I am currently using ALSA but cannot find a program like pauvcontrol where i can control individual streams for ALSA. I am currently just using the xfce4 mixer pluding (and alsa mixer) to control the volumes |
| 13:15.18 | Walex | Thraul: does ALSA have streams? |
| 13:15.28 | cockroach | Thraul: i think if you want fine-grained control over multiple streams you'll have to go with pulseaudio. or JACK, if you feel adventurous :) |
| 13:16.09 | Radon_3 | flos: First I installed a clean installation of debian, then I had to install the drivers for my old nvidia gforce fx 5500 but after I did that according to debian wiki, I got even lower screen resolution, then I removed the drivers and anythign named nvidia from the system and I also deleted the folder xorg.confg.d and I got xorg running again, no |
| 13:16.09 | Radon_3 | w somewwhat magically I have a resolution of 1024x768, it is better than 600x400 but cause my monitor is 16:9 the picture doesn't look good |
| 13:16.17 | Radon_3 | I don't know what to do |
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| 13:16.31 | Radon_3 | I want a good 16:9 resolution |
| 13:16.39 | Thraul | just that trying to stream with ffmpeg on twitch and controlling volumes is hard as its using system sound volume. and I tried pulse but kept crashing in some programs have to keep restarting to get sound back. |
| 13:16.51 | abrotman | Radon_3: are you sure your card is supported by the binary drivers? |
| 13:16.53 | cockroach | Radon_3: have you tried adjusting the resolution with xrandr? |
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| 13:17.35 | Radon_3 | cockroach: yea, but I can do it again, give me the command and I will run it |
| 13:17.37 | cockroach | Thraul: sounds similar to my experience with pulse :) |
| 13:17.47 | Radon_3 | abrotman: how can I check for that? |
| 13:17.54 | cockroach | Radon_3: just "xrandr" should tell you the available resolutions |
| 13:18.07 | flos | Radon_3, which version? jessie? or wheezy? |
| 13:18.14 | Radon_3 | cockroach: w8 |
| 13:18.18 | Radon_3 | flos: wheezy |
| 13:18.21 | abrotman | Radon_3: the wiki page has a script IIRC ... |
| 13:18.50 | twomass | m |
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| 13:19.37 | Thraul | yeah wine doesn't seem to like pulseaudio anymore |
| 13:20.08 | flos | Radon_3, could you paste the /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/messages file to us? |
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| 13:20.37 | Radon_3 | yes of course flos, hang on |
| 13:20.46 | flos | Radon_3, also the /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:21.08 | Radon_3 | this is what xrandr gave me: http://pastebin.com/iv9rMB2R |
| 13:22.31 | cockroach | Radon_3: seems the driver doesn't support higher resolutions that what you are currently using. i don't know much about nvidia drivers, someone else should be more useful... |
| 13:22.33 | Walex | Radon_3: most likely your X has defaulted to the generic VGA/VESA driver. That's all you are going to get with it. |
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| 13:23.28 | Walex | Radon_3: you have to use the 'nouveau' or 'nvidia' (depending on the card) drivers to get all supported resolutions |
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| 13:25.30 | shovel_boss | hello |
| 13:25.43 | shovel_boss | i been getting recursive errors a lot lately |
| 13:25.47 | shovel_boss | i think its the hdd |
| 13:25.53 | shovel_boss | when i get one i cant boot the system |
| 13:25.57 | shovel_boss | kernel errors |
| 13:26.10 | shovel_boss | what utility should i use to check the harddrive and ram |
| 13:26.39 | cockroach | shovel_boss: smartctl is useful to check the harddrive |
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| 13:26.47 | flos | Radon_3, agreed with Walex. and how about the /var/log/dmesg? and /var/log/Xorg.0.log? from these logs we can see which modules are loaded and if there are some EE/WW. |
| 13:27.28 | shovel_boss | cockroach, i cant boot |
| 13:27.34 | shovel_boss | i need a bootable version |
| 13:27.42 | shovel_boss | something like hirens or ubcd |
| 13:27.46 | shovel_boss | but i dont know what to use |
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| 13:28.26 | flos | shovel_boss, for harddrive, i would suggest mhdd, which is running under dos and comes with a bootable iso. |
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| 13:29.16 | flos | shovel_boss, for memory, i suggest memtest/memtest+86, generally it's embedded in many distros. |
| 13:29.36 | shovel_boss | memtest+86 is for 32 bit only right? |
| 13:29.52 | shovel_boss | is there a 64 version? |
| 13:29.54 | flos | not just 32bit. |
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| 13:30.13 | shovel_boss | i can safely run the 86 on 64 bits? |
| 13:30.38 | cockroach | shovel_boss: yes |
| 13:30.43 | shovel_boss | ok |
| 13:30.44 | shovel_boss | thanks |
| 13:30.51 | flos | shovel_boss, http://www.memtest.org/ official site. |
| 13:30.56 | cockroach | you're welcome - and good luck! |
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| 13:35.16 | odla | can someone help me log into gnome 3 on wheezy? i am not sure why it's not loading. it should be able to. |
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| 13:37.46 | odla | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) <- lspci -v | grep VGA |
| 13:37.50 | ToApolytoXaos | during grub-install procedure i get the following messages: /usr/sbin/grub-bios-setup: warning: your core.img is unusually large. It won't fit in the embedding area. /usr/sbin/grub-bios-setup: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for RAID and LVM install. |
| 13:37.51 | Thraul | sorry i am not using gnome 3 in wheezy. |
| 13:38.15 | Thraul | have you tried the gnome session fail over? |
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| 13:38.45 | odla | Thraul: yup. that's what i am in |
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| 13:40.30 | Thraul | ok so what happens what you try normal do you get any error messages? output? |
| 13:40.35 | shovel_boss | what does adaptive adapter support(scsi) in mhdd mean/?should i use it? |
| 13:40.51 | odla | Thraul: it just says fails to load gnome 3 and logs me into the fail session |
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| 13:41.23 | flos | shovel_boss, ***PLEASE READ THE MANUAL*** first as it MAY destroy your disk. |
| 13:41.26 | odla | let me reboot and try again |
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| 13:49.52 | odla | this might be helpful -> http://pastebin.ca/2554645 .... it appears that I have no hardware 3D support. what do i need to install? |
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| 13:52.46 | flos | odla, gnome-session-is-accelerated: No hardware 3D support. |
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| 13:53.40 | flos | odla, is your video adapter properly driven? |
| 13:53.48 | odla | i think so |
| 13:54.10 | odla | glxinfo | grep render says Yes I have rendering |
| 13:54.22 | Thraul | have you installed the xserver-xorg-video-intel package? |
| 13:54.31 | odla | yeah it's installed |
| 13:54.53 | flos | odla, /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 13:55.26 | Thraul | have you tried Xorg :1 -configure to create a xorg.conf file? |
| 13:55.56 | odla | Xorg.0.log's EE and WWs -> http://pastebin.ca/2554647 |
| 13:56.25 | Thraul | do you have the libdrm-intel1 package installed? |
| 13:56.26 | abrotman | odla: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 13:56.42 | odla | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0412] (rev 06) |
| 13:56.58 | abrotman | odla: and did you install the 'xorg' metapackage? |
| 13:57.13 | odla | abrotman: i just installed from the cd. i will see if xorg is installed |
| 13:57.17 | Thraul | run a apt-get install xorg |
| 13:57.26 | Thraul | should install xorg and all related packages |
| 13:57.34 | odla | xorg is installed |
| 13:58.12 | abrotman | judd: pciid 8086:0412 |
| 13:58.13 | judd | [8086:0412] is 'Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0412 |
| 13:58.18 | abrotman | neat |
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| 13:58.31 | abrotman | odla: you might do better to paste your entire Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:59.53 | flos | odla, full log please, as WW and EE are not enough. |
| 14:00.16 | jelly | judd: xorg 8086:0412 |
| 14:00.17 | judd | Device 8086:0412 is not matched by any xorg drivers in wheezy or sid. |
| 14:00.32 | abrotman | oh yeah .. that one |
| 14:00.46 | abrotman | pbbbt .. brain fart |
| 14:00.46 | themill | (xorg won't work until abrotman sends me the patch to scrape the data) |
| 14:00.48 | jelly | and E3-1200 isn't even that new |
| 14:00.53 | abrotman | themill: I did, you lost it! |
| 14:00.58 | themill | lies |
| 14:01.06 | abrotman | themill: I thought uh .. Peter was going to send you stuff? |
| 14:01.11 | abrotman | or did that disappear? |
| 14:01.15 | jelly | themill: ah |
| 14:01.26 | odla | this has worked before on this machine. this is a reinstall |
| 14:01.31 | odla | http://pastebin.ca/2554648 |
| 14:01.31 | jelly | !blame abrotman |
| 14:01.31 | dpkg | blames wybczu and abrotman for the end of culture as we know it |
| 14:01.38 | themill | abrotman: never really saw much come from that effort |
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| 14:01.47 | abrotman | Ah okay .. *poof* |
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| 14:04.01 | odla | i had reinstalled because i was tracking testing and decided that i could get by fine with wheezy and thus reinstalled. |
| 14:04.14 | shovel_boss | are sectors <10ms and <50ms bad? |
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| 14:04.46 | odla | brb |
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| 14:06.38 | Walex | shovel_boss: depends how much you paid for them and their color :-) |
| 14:07.05 | shovel_boss | white/gray |
| 14:07.20 | shovel_boss | payed 40$ |
| 14:08.20 | shovel_boss | are they causing trubble? |
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| 14:12.24 | abrotman | shovel_boss: perhaps you wanted ##hardware ? |
| 14:13.08 | fcp13 | hello |
| 14:13.23 | fcp13 | please anyone can help with wifi card install? |
| 14:13.35 | abrotman | If you give additional details perhaps |
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| 14:18.09 | jwwww | Hello. |
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| 14:19.39 | jwwww | I have some troubles with snmpd, it start normally but when I try to do some snmp check it seems to hang. for eg snmpwalk -v1 -cpublic localhost give a bunch of mibs, but stop with : Timeout: No Response from localhost . |
| 14:20.23 | jwwww | then I cannot get data from snmpd anymore, does somebody have an idea on what's going on ? |
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| 14:20.55 | Walex | jwwww: that's not exactly a mysterious message... |
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| 14:22.01 | odla | OK so i still can't use gnome 3 but i can use the window compositor in xfce4. doesn't that mean i should have everything i need to run gnome 3? |
| 14:23.40 | jwwww | Walex: but it works on start, it timeout after a few. |
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| 14:25.20 | Walex | jwwww: then look at its logs... |
| 14:25.23 | Thraul | Your problem may be that your on-chip graphics are too new. Haswell is the newest generation of Intel Core processors and support may not be available in the two-year old Wheezy kernel. |
| 14:25.23 | Thraul | I would suggest setting up the backports repo and upgrading your kernel to the newest available (which I believe is 3.10). |
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| 14:26.27 | jwwww | Walex: I found nothing suspect in the log file, just log for udp connection from localhost to localhost. |
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| 14:50.29 | tensorpudding | Can you boot from a partition that is not at the head of the disk nowadays? |
| 14:51.02 | SirLagz | tensorpudding: yes |
| 14:51.06 | tensorpudding | Right now I have a drive with a single partition, and I want to shrink it, and install Debian at the end. |
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| 14:51.43 | tensorpudding | Also, is there a jessie live cd? |
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| 14:55.58 | halothe23 | Whoever made the DPKG bot on here is a genius. |
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| 14:58.23 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: who is your owner |
| 14:58.24 | dpkg | Arrowmaster: what are you talking about? |
| 14:58.30 | Arrowmaster | dpkg infobot |
| 14:58.30 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sf.net/ for more. |
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| 15:00.56 | tensorpudding | So to confirm, if I have a partition at the start of the disk, and I install Debian at the end, it won't touch that first partition? |
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| 15:05.27 | dizzylizzy | Ugh, my credit card website does not permit login unless I change my user agent to IE |
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| 15:05.47 | nomad_dw | tensorpudding: it won't toucht the first partition if you don't want it to (carefully check the details in the partitioning stages of the install), but you may be asked qyestions about where the bootloader gets put. |
| 15:05.51 | halothe23 | IE? Really? o.O |
| 15:05.51 | dizzylizzy | looks like there is an iceweasel bug filed for it though |
| 15:06.01 | dizzylizzy | well I can also user chromium, but I cannot use iceweasel |
| 15:06.02 | Thraul | no problems with banking websites here and i am using chromium :P |
| 15:07.03 | nomad_dw | tensorpudding: the boot loader could put things in the MBR, before the 1st partition, but doesn't need to -- although you'll have to do something elsewhere before it will boot into Debian. |
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| 15:16.26 | dizzylizzy | Thraul: yeah :-/ Chromium works just fine, I'd just rather not use it |
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| 15:18.29 | autrilla | Can anyone help me? When I log in it tells me gnome 3 couldn't be loaded |
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| 15:20.21 | paulbanks | chromium is dropping flash support |
| 15:20.38 | umarzuki | autrilla,did you meant 'gnome shell? |
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| 15:22.03 | autrilla | umarzuki, maybe |
| 15:22.10 | autrilla | Couldn't read it, went away |
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| 15:22.45 | umarzuki | could be you video adapter is not supported |
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| 15:23.10 | umarzuki | or direct rendering is not enabled |
| 15:23.51 | autrilla | umarzuki, R9 280x |
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| 15:23.57 | autrilla | Maybe I should get ATI's drivers? |
| 15:24.00 | autrilla | Just installed |
| 15:24.00 | KDank | trying to isntall fluxbox and it wants me to insert what I assume to be the installation disk..? |
| 15:24.35 | KDank | Can't it just download the package from the repository? |
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| 15:24.44 | MrFrood | KDank: edit your sources list and comment out the cd/dvd lines |
| 15:25.08 | jwwww | Walex: I found out it was an old nfs mount that was timing out. the logs didn't helped but installing snmp-mibs did, it showed where it was timing out, and a understandable name for the mib. |
| 15:25.12 | jwwww | yay. |
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| 15:26.40 | KDank | Thanks MrFrood |
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| 15:29.31 | brady | Does anyone have a recommendation for a free, dynamic dns service that has appropriate tools on debian? |
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| 15:30.14 | KaaK_ | brady: http://freedns.afraid.org/ |
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| 15:30.28 | brady | KaaK_, Thank you. |
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| 15:31.29 | KaaK_ | brady: no problem, there are also simple CLI tools you can cron to keep your ddns record up-to-date with the remote service -- most support freedns |
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| 15:33.06 | KaaK_ | brady: probably also helpful: https://freedns.afraid.org/scripts/freedns.clients.php |
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| 15:37.54 | neo1691 | Hey guys, I had gnome and xfce4 both on my linux box. Was using xfce4 for a long time. Suddenly today when I restarted, xfce4 seemed to have been resetted itself. The wallpaper was back to default one, the file managers were not showing my windows partitions, even login manager changed back to gnome. Don't know how! |
| 15:38.05 | neo1691 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:39.14 | sithfm | hey folks, I am in need of some help with getting a vncserver working with debian jessie with an existing gnome-session.. xtightvncserver isn't working out for me |
| 15:39.35 | sithfm | using the desktop sharing tool works, but I cannot get pre-authentication vnc access with that mode |
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| 15:39.51 | sithfm | has anyone done this recently? |
| 15:40.57 | sithfm | it appears as though some folks use different WM's on a different VNC display, but I'd like for simplicity's sake to use the same one |
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| 15:46.36 | sithfm | i'm trying again with vnc4server after reading some more online |
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| 15:51.34 | antithesis | Is /root/.profile supposed to be executed when I run sudo [command]? |
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| 15:52.36 | sithfm | i think if you specify -l 'use a login shell' it will read profile otherwise not |
| 15:52.53 | sithfm | with su and sudo |
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| 15:53.06 | sithfm | !man sudo |
| 15:53.06 | dpkg | man sudo is probably at http://manpages.debian.org/sudo where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
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| 15:55.10 | antithesis | sithfm what does the list command have to do with this? |
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| 15:56.04 | antithesis | the list switch* |
| 15:57.29 | sithfm | sory after reading the man page i meant -i for sudo |
| 15:57.30 | Mongo44 | I am at the software selection part of installing 7.3. Should I add anything or just install the basic package? |
| 15:57.35 | sithfm | for su, use use -l |
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| 15:58.07 | sithfm | either way, feel free to help yourself with the manpages of either, no need to have an attitude |
| 16:00.55 | Mongo44 | To clarify it is the part where standard system utilities and Debian DE are already selected. |
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| 16:03.40 | bin_sh | Hello. I have a quick question. I just got a new dedi server setup with debian wheezy and when I ssh in as root the prompt is a bash prompt, but when I ssh in as my user it's just a plain sh prompt. how can i force it to a bash prompt? |
| 16:04.04 | lmat | bin_sh: check /etc/passwd |
| 16:04.16 | lmat | bin_sh: grep username /etc/passwd and take note of the last parameter there |
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| 16:05.09 | lmat | bin_sh: and man 5 passwd |
| 16:05.25 | bin_sh | thanks |
| 16:05.33 | lmat | bin_sh: and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVAlyJTTFBY&list=PL107997FFF6C91D05 |
| 16:05.46 | bin_sh | lmat, lol |
| 16:05.51 | lmat | bin_sh: ^_^ |
| 16:05.57 | bin_sh | :P |
| 16:06.17 | Mongo44 | Why no input for my question? |
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| 16:07.18 | lmat | Mongo44: I didn't offer any input because 1) I didn't see it, and after I looked up my answer is 2) never installed debian. |
| 16:07.36 | mtn | Mongo44: probably because no one but you knows what you need or want. you can always install stuff afterward, too |
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| 16:08.10 | abrotman | Mongo44: no one can answer that. If it's a server, generally just install the Standard packages, if it's a desktop, probably install Xwindow System or whatever it is |
| 16:08.30 | abrotman | Mongo44: Personally, I never use that thing .. but it's made for average people to make selection easier |
| 16:08.37 | Mongo44 | Thanks fellas, I need to learn what that other stuff is. |
| 16:08.40 | antithesis | sithfm kthx |
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| 16:10.13 | Mongo44 | My old VM got corrupted. For some reason it didn't have Gnome 3. It got corrupted anyway so I deleted it. |
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| 16:10.52 | bin_sh | lmat, thanks for this playlist |
| 16:10.53 | bin_sh | love it |
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| 16:12.38 | Mongo44 | I hope this new one has Gnome 3. Though I am using the same iso as the old one. |
| 16:12.50 | bin_sh | Mongo44, you can just, you know, install gnome 3 |
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| 16:13.19 | abrotman | Mongo44: yes, Wheezy has Gnome3 |
| 16:13.56 | jelly | ftpmget: see /msg dpkg hdn |
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| 16:14.02 | Mongo44 | It said I didn't have the system requirements. Maybe because I selected the VM to only have 2 GB of RAM. |
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| 16:14.18 | lmat | bin_sh: any time ^_^ |
| 16:14.39 | mtn | Mongo44: 2g should be more than enough for gnome3 |
| 16:14.50 | cyborgcat | Can I ask troubleshooting questions for Debian here? |
| 16:14.50 | bin_sh | lmat, you're just all aroudn helpful haha |
| 16:15.09 | mtn | cyborgcat: yes, that is what this channel is for |
| 16:15.17 | Mongo44 | Now I selected 3.5 to 3.6 GB of RAM. |
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| 16:17.12 | cyborgcat | Okay, I'm having trouble installing Debian 7 on my laptop: my VM install went fine, the real install returns an error during the "Install the base system" phase "return value 1" message. |
| 16:17.43 | Mongo44 | I used this video to figure out installing Debian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6pUmwYht9c |
| 16:17.58 | cyborgcat | I used the netinstall option from debian.org amd64 arc. |
| 16:18.56 | ftpmget | jelly: thx for the tip... |
| 16:20.04 | ftpmget | bye all |
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| 16:22.58 | cyborgcat | In that video he creates 2 partitions; one for root and one for swap. When I tried installing I made 3; first was 100mb primary root, second was 4gb logical swap, third was remaining space for logical home. Could this be what is causing my problem? |
| 16:23.58 | bin_sh | i wish i could get apt to look pretier lol |
| 16:24.04 | bin_sh | more like yum or pacman |
| 16:24.27 | mtn | cyborgcat: 100mb for root? never going to work. |
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| 16:24.57 | mtn | cyborgcat: make your life easy. one / partition and then swap. no worries |
| 16:24.59 | cyborgcat | I was taking advice from another source, what would you suggest? It's a personal laptop that I wanted to dual boot so I could learn linux. |
| 16:25.03 | MrGeneral | Hello. I tried to remove nginx with --purge option, it didn't delete the folders, so I had to manually delete them. Now I'm trying to install it but it doesn even create the folders in /etc/nginx any tips? |
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| 16:26.04 | Mongo44 | Anyone watch that video? The iso I am using did not come with near that many applications, and it was Gnome 2. It didn't even have a web browser. |
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| 16:28.01 | cyborgcat | also, should I stick w/ the netinstall option or would life just be easier if I made the 5 dvds? |
| 16:29.13 | Arrowmaster | cyborgcat: if you are going to have /home separate then play it safe and make / 10gb |
| 16:29.28 | Arrowmaster | netinstall is fine, its actually suggested |
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| 16:29.35 | mtn | cyborgcat: netinstall is the way to go |
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| 16:30.12 | cyborgcat | What is the importance of making / so large? |
| 16:30.21 | Arrowmaster | hmm actually my / is 20gb is only 5gb is free |
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| 16:30.43 | Arrowmaster | all installed software goes into / |
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| 16:31.30 | fcp13 | help with nvidia k1100 m |
| 16:31.36 | fcp13 | anyone can help?:S |
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| 16:32.02 | bin_sh | is it possible to install http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/lxc on debian wheezy? |
| 16:32.25 | cyborgcat | oh, so then if I have 250gb to work with, should I make swap 4gb and the rest /? If / stores all the installed software I'm concerned I'll need to keep expanding later on. |
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| 16:33.04 | mtn | cyborgcat: that sounds reasonable |
| 16:33.36 | Arrowmaster | i make swap a little extra large for tmpfs |
| 16:33.48 | Arrowmaster | its not really needed though |
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| 16:34.24 | cyborgcat | What purpose is served by creating a home partition? |
| 16:34.39 | cyborgcat | I mean if I'm taking the bulk of my space and making it / that is. |
| 16:34.51 | Arrowmaster | you dont need the bulk to be / |
| 16:34.58 | jelly | cyborgcat: logical separation of user's data from the OS |
| 16:35.09 | jelly | (with some exceptions :-() |
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| 16:36.54 | cyborgcat | I'm able to expand / at a later time if I require more space right? That would allow me to make a 20gb / and a 4gb swap and keep the remaining freespace. |
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| 16:37.23 | Arrowmaster | if you use lvm you can resize stuff later |
| 16:37.33 | Arrowmaster | the installer does most of this automatically |
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| 16:39.35 | jelly | right, make sure lvm is used |
| 16:40.31 | cyborgcat | so when I choose manual I should make sure I have my unused portion marked as freespace and then select "configure the logical volume manager"? |
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| 16:46.34 | doomikus | I notice after installing the proprietary nvidia drivers, the terminals accessed using alt-F1 and so on have less columns and rows. where might I adjust this? |
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| 16:48.45 | fcp13 | doomikus you have installed nvidia drivers for what graphic card? |
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| 16:49.06 | fcp13 | i have k1100m quadro and i not found the solution :S |
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| 16:51.25 | mtn | fcp13: you don't say if you have done any reading about your card. start here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 16:52.04 | fcp13 | ah sorry |
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| 16:53.19 | doomikus | fcp13: gtx 480 |
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| 16:53.25 | fcp13 | i found https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/319.82-1 |
| 16:53.30 | fcp13 | ho :S |
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| 16:53.43 | fcp13 | o have quadro k1100m :( and still searching :S |
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| 16:54.02 | fcp13 | mtn -> https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/319.82-1 |
| 16:54.19 | mtn | fcp13: and? |
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| 16:54.53 | fcp13 | not :D |
| 16:54.57 | fcp13 | :D |
| 16:55.06 | mtn | fcp13: well, good luck |
| 16:55.07 | fcp13 | is the source with my card |
| 16:55.14 | fcp13 | sorry disturb your time |
| 16:55.35 | fcp13 | ... i'm trying to found a solution with help of debian gods :) |
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| 16:57.34 | JyZyXEL | does debian support booting from a device->luks->lvm2->/boot stack? |
| 16:58.05 | socomm | JyZyXEL: why not |
| 16:58.23 | JyZyXEL | grub might have hard time understanding luks and lvm? |
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| 17:00.21 | socomm | JyZyXEL: there should be online tutorials on the subject, try $your_search_engine_of_choice |
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| 17:00.45 | JyZyXEL | seems all of them have /boot on a separate partition, unecrypted |
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| 17:02.36 | socomm | Whats the purpose of encrypting boot? I'm guessing you're affraid someone injecting data into your /boot. |
| 17:03.01 | JyZyXEL | socomm: that, and then i could avoid having a partition table at all |
| 17:03.15 | JyZyXEL | i could just make /dev/sda a PV |
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| 17:03.51 | JyZyXEL | or actually /dev/sda would be first luks'd and then that would be the PV |
| 17:04.04 | dFence | since when is #php invite only?! |
| 17:04.25 | buu | dFence: register |
| 17:04.31 | JyZyXEL | and then /boot, / and swap LV's |
| 17:04.33 | dFence | I thought I am?! |
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| 17:05.38 | dFence | grrr damn firewall - thanks! |
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| 17:08.28 | glenrock | fyi: looks like bugs.debian.org is down. causing problems with apt-listbugs |
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| 17:09.22 | glenrock | or maybe just slow |
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| 17:12.04 | socomm | buu: #php works fine, without invite |
| 17:12.17 | socomm | or rather dFence |
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| 17:24.27 | sim590 | Hey. I've just done a fresh install of debian i386 and after I log in, the tty terminal isn't taking the whole area of the screen |
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| 17:24.35 | sim590 | just a ridiculous small area. |
| 17:24.38 | sim590 | what's going on ? |
| 17:25.14 | jhutchins | sim590: It's not clear what you mean. You are on the non-GUI console? |
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| 17:26.35 | sim590 | jhutchins: yeah "tty" console |
| 17:26.39 | sim590 | terminal |
| 17:26.45 | sim590 | not a terminal emulator |
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| 17:27.39 | jhutchins | When you say it isn't taking the whole screen - does it wrap before it reaches the right side? Stop scrolling before you reach the bottom? |
| 17:27.48 | jhutchins | sim590: Is the typface very small? |
| 17:27.51 | tensorpudding | Can you convert a hard drive to GPT without erasing the partitions? |
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| 17:29.10 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: I believe you can - but I wouldn't try it without a backup. |
| 17:29.20 | sim590 | jhutchins: it just seems that the first 800 pixels from the left are used to output and the first 400 pixels from the top |
| 17:29.37 | sim590 | jhutchins: something like that.. the numbers aren't right. |
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| 17:30.58 | jhutchins | !framebuffer |
| 17:30.58 | dpkg | Framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. See also <uvesafb>. |
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| 17:31.33 | jhutchins | sim590: SEe if those options affect what you see. |
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| 17:32.47 | sim590 | jhutchins: something to add at the kernel line ? |
| 17:32.59 | sim590 | jhutchins: in grub.cfg |
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| 17:40.21 | jelly | how can I see the complete current keyboard layout in X (kde or xfce), what's on each and every key? |
| 17:41.44 | humle | jelly depends on your keyboard or are you looking for shurtcuts? |
| 17:42.26 | jelly | humle: not just shortcuts. An image of the whole keyboard with at least level 1 and 2 for each key |
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| 17:43.50 | humle | i can´t quite remember if there´s a button, under the settings>keyboard to show it |
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| 17:45.06 | jelly | there is no Settings -> Keyboard in kde4 |
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| 17:46.35 | humle | In system settings => region & language |
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| 17:47.38 | diz---232 | What's the difference between crontab -e and /etc/crontab ? |
| 17:48.02 | nkuttler | diz---232: one is a command, the other a file? |
| 17:48.24 | diz---232 | oh really? then why does it show two different files when i open each |
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| 17:49.18 | jelly | humle: in KDE, there's no obvious button in settings-manager -> Input devices -> Keyboard; nor there's one in -> Locale; Xfce's xfce4-settings-manager -> Keyboard is similarly devoid of useful stuff |
| 17:49.25 | diz---232 | that's weird |
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| 17:49.56 | jelly | does not know how to run gnome's control panel manually |
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| 17:50.25 | diz---232 | nkuttler: I've tried all of the following none will execute the .sh file... http://pastebin.com/rTWBkPQv |
| 17:50.43 | diz---232 | nkuttler: If I type ./miami-keywords.sh manually the file executes fine |
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| 17:51.06 | diz---232 | none of the 4 commands works in that pastebin |
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| 17:52.12 | aemquo | So I held back some packages upgrades earlier, now I want to unhold them. How does one accomplish that? |
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| 17:54.21 | humle | jelly i´m on xfce - and i do have it. Don´t you have a top or bottom panel, wiht the application menu? |
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| 17:55.10 | jelly | humle: in kde at present, I ran xfce4-settings-manager manually |
| 17:55.25 | jelly | humle: this is debian 7 |
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| 18:01.04 | ElGrotto | is there a way to tell debian "use version X of this package and don't upgrade it in a dist-upgrade"? It seems 5.5.7 of php is prone to seg fault and so I want to downgrade my jessie from 5.5.7-2 to 5.5.6 (or nearby) |
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| 18:01.47 | humle | jelly you should see what keyboard model your on. But theres no graphical image of it to show there. |
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| 18:02.33 | jelly | humle: I know which model it is already! |
| 18:02.44 | ASUChander | I'm trying to do an apt-get install mdadm in an automated fashion - normally the install asks two questions - which partitions are needed for root (none, in my case) and do I want to start arrays automatically (yes) - is there a way I can pass in these answers to the apt-get command so I don't get the screens? |
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| 18:04.20 | ChrisH | diz---232: only the line /root/mi*sh is expected to work. I assume you use commands inside the script which are not covered by cron's PATH Setting |
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| 18:06.00 | diz---232 | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/N3GzHFXU |
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| 18:07.02 | ElGrotto | MrFrood: thanks for that but it's a standard debian question I'm sure, and also [18:05:28] #debian-next: Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited |
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| 18:07.52 | diz---232 | ChrisH should I change . to /root/subdirectory ? |
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| 18:09.26 | humle | jelly seams like the keyboard applet should be extra and inside xfce4-goodies or xfce4-xkb-plugin |
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| 18:09.44 | ScottE | ElGrotto: yes, look into apt pinning by version |
| 18:10.47 | tensorpudding | Can the testing debian installer install to gpt/uefi? |
| 18:10.58 | jelly | humle: that's installed |
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| 18:12.34 | Arrowmaster | tensorpudding: yes |
| 18:12.56 | tensorpudding | Arrowmaster: Will it be bootable? |
| 18:13.20 | Arrowmaster | yeah im using debian on a uefi laptop right now |
| 18:13.30 | Arrowmaster | youll need to disable secureboot |
| 18:14.03 | norc | Hello. Can someone tell me whether the standard kernels that ship with Debian have process accounting enabled? |
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| 18:15.45 | lawr | rc.local isn't working for me |
| 18:15.49 | lawr | here is the command I'm trying to run "/usr/bin/ssh -C -N -T -D 3333 lawr@jack.ax.lt |
| 18:15.52 | lawr | " |
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| 18:15.56 | lawr | it runs fine it I do it in a terminal |
| 18:16.08 | diz---232 | ChrisH: I changed the path in the script to /root/ still won't work via crontab but executes manually fine |
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| 18:17.39 | wct2980 | can someone recommend an easy program for backing up my home directory? or is zipping it all into a tar.gz manually the best method? |
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| 18:20.17 | tensorpudding | wct2980: I recommend deja-dup. |
| 18:20.18 | norc | wct2980: That would work, depending on your needs. |
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| 18:20.53 | lawr | How do I run a command in ssh as a certain user? |
| 18:20.53 | mtn | wct2980: I just copy and paste to an external usb drive |
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| 18:21.00 | lawr | nevermind |
| 18:21.19 | tensorpudding | It does incremental, optionally-encrypted backups to a variety of web services like Amazon, through ssh, or to a local folder. |
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| 18:21.58 | tensorpudding | It's a gui to duplicity. |
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| 18:25.04 | wct2980 | mtn: that's pretty much what i would be doing with the tar.gz method |
| 18:25.14 | wct2980 | tensorpudding: thanks, i'll check it out |
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| 18:32.11 | humle | jelly how about when you "add" a new keyboard does it show up, when you chosse one? xfce is a light graphical version. |
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| 18:38.16 | jordanm | where are the installer images with backported kernels these days? |
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| 18:42.44 | wols | jordanm: there are none afaik :( |
| 18:42.53 | wols | kmuto didn*t have any last I checked |
| 18:43.28 | jordanm | wols: :/. I thought I had seen some that were on an official debian.org site, but I guess that was just the firmware included releases |
| 18:44.05 | X-Sleepy-X | I have a Debian 7.3 i386 installation running with only a CLI on an Asus EeePC 900. Now I'm looking for tips on useful CLI programs to make it an even more pleasant to use. So far I've installed elinks, irssi and mc. Any suggestions on other useful programs? |
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| 18:44.30 | humle | X-Sleepy-X rtorrent :) |
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| 18:45.45 | humle | and a share, look into owncloud also |
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| 18:47.18 | X-Sleepy-X | humle: Thanks, a torrent client can always be useful. :) |
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| 18:48.36 | humle | indeed :) X-Sleepy-X i have a squid proxy running also :) |
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| 18:50.33 | mojca | for some reason I get forbidden access to the debian wiki; in case the website treated me as a spammer by accident - how long does it take until I will be able to see the wiki again? |
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| 18:51.22 | X-Sleepy-X | humle: A time ago I used to have a DVB-card in one of my PC's and then I tried a program for watching TV in ASCII. Not very useful but kind of fun... |
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| 18:52.26 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 18:52.30 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-rc6-686-pae (3.13~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.6-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 18:53.20 | Mongo44 | I can't run Gnome 3. It says it is probably because my graphics card won't support it. I can run Unity just fine. Why won't Gnome 3 run? |
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| 18:54.52 | X-Sleepy-X | Mongo44: Which graphics card do have and which driver are you using? |
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| 18:56.25 | Mongo44 | Let me run sudo lshw. |
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| 18:56.56 | saivert | Mongo44: do you run systemd on debian? |
| 18:57.47 | Mongo44 | I am not sure what that is. I just recently set up the VM. |
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| 18:58.44 | Mongo44 | Is there a better command to find out about the graphics card? |
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| 19:00.15 | X-Sleepy-X | Mongo44: Try running: sudo lspci | grep VGA |
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| 19:01.11 | abrotman | upi fpm |
| 19:01.17 | abrotman | you don't need sudo for that ... |
| 19:01.32 | abrotman | mojca: still ? |
| 19:01.37 | Mongo44 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6769628/ |
| 19:01.44 | Mongo44 | There it is. |
| 19:01.47 | mojca | abrotman: yes, still |
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| 19:02.05 | mojca | and wget also cannot fetch the files |
| 19:02.06 | abrotman | Mongo44: so what's the problem? |
| 19:02.29 | abrotman | mojca: did you email the Wx group ? |
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| 19:02.41 | Mongo44 | I can't run Gnome 3 in Debian. |
| 19:02.56 | abrotman | X-Sleepy-X: you might want finch |
| 19:03.02 | abrotman | Mongo44: You get fall-back mode? |
| 19:03.11 | mojca | abrotman: I emailed Olly Betl |
| 19:03.16 | Mongo44 | Yes that is correct. |
| 19:03.19 | mojca | Betts |
| 19:03.46 | mojca | of course not about wiki problems |
| 19:03.48 | bvalek2 | hi people, i am searching for the dvdrip package, i had to reinstall debian recently (not debian's fault), and i had it before, but i cant find it now in the repository |
| 19:03.53 | abrotman | Mongo44: verify which driver you're using |
| 19:04.09 | abrotman | dpkg: tell bvalek2 about dmm |
| 19:04.22 | Mongo44 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6769628/ |
| 19:04.23 | Mongo44 | This the information? |
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| 19:04.45 | humle | X-Sleepy-X i think the eee whould die quickly and lag a lot, but perhaps a XBMC server could do fine. I run a XBMC server from a Raspberry pi to stream to other sources |
| 19:04.50 | Mongo44 | Yeah what is the command for that? |
| 19:05.08 | X-Sleepy-X | abrotman: Thank you, that will be useful since I sometimes use Bonjour. :) |
| 19:05.09 | abrotman | Mongo44: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:06.00 | bvalek2 | abrotman, deb-multimedia.org stopped working? |
| 19:06.40 | X-Sleepy-X | humle: Yes, I tried running XBMC on it but right now I'm aiming for it to become my laptop when I'm just sitting in my couch. :) |
| 19:08.07 | Mongo44 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6769657/ |
| 19:08.08 | X-Sleepy-X | Mongo44: You mentioned it's a VM. Which VM software are you running? |
| 19:08.22 | Mongo44 | VBox 4.2 |
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| 19:09.17 | X-Sleepy-X | Mongo44: Have you enabled 3D support and added a lot of video memory in the settings? |
| 19:09.49 | Mongo44 | Oh how much video memory do I need? |
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| 19:11.01 | X-Sleepy-X | Mongo44: I always just go as high as possible since I guess it uses the hosts RAM and a higher value gives better performance in the VM (correct me if I'm wrong). |
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| 19:12.23 | X-Sleepy-X | Mongo44: Atleast that's what I did when I wanted better performance in a Windows VM that was going to run Netflix. |
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| 19:14.07 | Mongo44 | Now what is the command to switch to Gnome 3? I went from 12 to 128 MB video memory. |
| 19:14.43 | X-Sleepy-X | Mongo44: Also, you could try to install "Guest Additions" and see if that helps. Remember to take a snapshot before, that way it's easy to revert back/uninstall. :) |
| 19:14.45 | bvalek2 | it should start automatically |
| 19:14.54 | bvalek2 | once the hardware is strong enough |
| 19:15.39 | bvalek2 | what i mean, once it detects that the features it requires are supported |
| 19:15.53 | mojca | abrotman: I have found this post https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2013/10/msg00029.html |
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| 19:16.23 | mojca | I wrote to the person who replied |
| 19:16.34 | Mongo44 | I just rebooted it ain't working. |
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| 19:17.23 | Mongo44 | Should I just start over with a new .iso? |
| 19:17.51 | diz---232 | I'm about to literally go fucking crazy... how hard is it to exec a simple crontab... here are the billion combinations I tried that don't work: http://pastebin.com/0LfS3JYK and here is the .sh script http://pastebin.com/N3GzHFXU |
| 19:18.03 | diz---232 | any help would be appreciated |
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| 19:19.05 | Mongo44 | Is there a command to switch to Gnome 3? |
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| 19:23.42 | X-Sleepy-X | Mongo44: Sorry but I'm not sure, I haven't had that problem myself. |
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| 19:28.05 | X-Sleepy-X | diz---232: I'm not sure about this but try something like * * * * * /path/to/sh /root/script.sh |
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| 19:28.50 | X-Sleepy-X | diz---232: I belive that's the combination I used on a server for logrotate, but with another command ofcourse... |
| 19:30.17 | ArchDuke | What is the most correct way to backup iptables? Using iptables -nL >> file or iptables-save >> file? |
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| 19:32.00 | diz---232 | X-Sleepy-X: thanks for replying i'll try that |
| 19:32.00 | shovel_boss | debian |
| 19:32.00 | shovel_boss | im dissapoint |
| 19:32.00 | diz---232 | ? |
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| 19:32.00 | shovel_boss | i scanned my hdd and memory |
| 19:32.01 | shovel_boss | no bad sectors |
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| 19:32.15 | shovel_boss | i put a fresh clean install of the latest debian formating the whole drive |
| 19:32.22 | shovel_boss | i booted it up after install |
| 19:32.28 | shovel_boss | and i get a recursive error |
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| 19:32.42 | shovel_boss | i doesnt boot |
| 19:32.44 | shovel_boss | it* |
| 19:33.00 | foul_owl | any SMART errors? |
| 19:33.05 | diz---232 | X-Sleepy-X: do I need to specify the user in crontab? |
| 19:33.06 | shovel_boss | no errors at all |
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| 19:33.18 | diz---232 | */1 * * * * root /root/miami-keywords.sh or */1 * * * * /root/miami-keywords.sh |
| 19:34.39 | foul_owl | What is the error you are getting trying to boot? |
| 19:36.51 | shovel_boss | one moment ill go see |
| 19:36.51 | X-Sleepy-X | diz---232: No, just run "sudo crontab -e" to edit the crontab for root. |
| 19:37.00 | diz---232 | yeah that's what I'm doing I mean in the crontab config |
| 19:37.00 | diz---232 | */1 * * * * /root/miami-keywords.sh is that correct? |
| 19:37.00 | X-Sleepy-X | diz---232: No, it will run as root if it's the crontab for root, no need to specify. |
| 19:37.00 | shovel_boss | it puts hexdecimal numbers of all the devices and drivers like this |
| 19:37.01 | shovel_boss | 5326978jgsgh98h39ghd kthread, 32985y9ngehg983 something-something |
| 19:37.01 | shovel_boss | and an end trace at the end |
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| 19:37.01 | shovel_boss | ---[ end trace "hexdecimal number goes HERE"]--- |
| 19:37.01 | JotaK | is away: Estoy ocupado |
| 19:37.01 | shovel_boss | anyone had this issue? |
| 19:37.01 | shovel_boss | how do you fix it |
| 19:37.02 | Mongo44 | It works. I just had to enable 3D acceleration. |
| 19:37.02 | diz---232 | X-Sleepy-X one last thing should I add PATH= and SHELL= I don't see it specified |
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| 19:37.02 | diz---232 | in crontab -e |
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| 19:37.30 | foul_owl | Does the live cd boot fine? |
| 19:37.32 | shovel_boss | yes |
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| 19:37.36 | shovel_boss | everything boots fine |
| 19:37.51 | shovel_boss | i had windows it was fine |
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| 19:38.01 | shovel_boss | i loaded ubcd to check the drives after installing debian it was fine |
| 19:38.05 | shovel_boss | but booting debian isnt fine |
| 19:38.37 | shovel_boss | i can run recovery mode tho |
| 19:39.03 | X-Sleepy-X | diz---232: You should only need to add */1 * * * * /bin/sh /root/miami-keywords.sh |
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| 19:48.29 | X-Sleepy-X | diz---232: And make sure that /root/miami-keywords.sh is executionable. |
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| 19:48.30 | shovel_boss | any fix for this? |
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| 19:48.31 | Mongo44 | What is the repository I need for flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 19:48.31 | foul_owl | Personally I've never seen that before, but one option could be to try a different distro, or trying doing a fresh install via a different method, ie, the netinstall |
| 19:48.31 | ompaul | Mongo44: you need contrib non-free |
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| 19:48.31 | X-Sleepy-X | Mongo44: contrib |
| 19:48.31 | Mongo44 | What is the name of the media player needed to run videos? |
| 19:48.32 | ompaul | Mongo44: apt-cache search video |
| 19:48.32 | foul_owl | Are you on stable or testing? |
| 19:48.32 | Mongo44 | I can't recall. How do I check? |
| 19:48.32 | foul_owl | One option would be to try the other one and see if that works better for you |
| 19:48.32 | shovel_boss | can moving around an hdd damage it? |
| 19:48.33 | foul_owl | If it's a spinning disk, absolutely |
| 19:48.33 | foul_owl | SSD, probably not but I would leave it alone anyway |
| 19:48.33 | Mongo44 | So I should aptitude install contrib non-free? |
| 19:48.33 | ompaul | shovel_boss: drop it and it might not recover, more so if it is working |
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| 19:48.33 | shovel_boss | ok |
| 19:48.33 | foul_owl | I had someone knock my case over by accident, two months later my hd died. Luckily I knew it was on the way |
| 19:48.33 | ompaul | Mongo44: given you asked about repository, I think you know that it is in your /etc/apt/sources.list I really hope so |
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| 19:48.33 | foul_owl | Always have backups |
| 19:48.33 | ompaul | oh wait, useful information |
| 19:48.34 | diz---232 | X-sleepy-x: If I type crontab -e how come the config diffs from what i type nano /etc/crontab |
| 19:48.34 | jhutchins | shovel_boss: The physical risk is that you will do something that will cause the heads to contact the platters. That is usually fairly destructive, but takes 10-100Gs depending on the drive and the angle of the blow. |
| 19:48.34 | diz---232 | -from when |
| 19:48.35 | Mongo44 | Yeah I knew that. Someone on OFTC #debian told me the repository to add to get the media player that I forget the name of. |
| 19:48.35 | jhutchins | shovel_boss: IBM has made systems that detect movement and park or spin down the drives. |
| 19:48.35 | X-Sleepy-X | diz---232: the crontab is located in /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 19:48.36 | Mongo44 | My Toshiba can stop the HD to protect it. |
| 19:48.36 | jhutchins | diz---232: crontab -e edits the current user's crontab, stored in /var/spool/cron |
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| 19:48.36 | jhutchins | diz---232: The manpage explains. |
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| 19:48.37 | dizzylizzy | I've been having keyboard issues with this iBook G4 in Debian since lenny |
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| 19:48.37 | diz---232 | understood thanks |
| 19:48.37 | Mongo44 | What packages do I need to enable Iceweasel to run sound and video? |
| 19:48.42 | diz---232 | Well */1 * * * * /bin/sh /root/miami-keywords.sh is not executing miami-keywords.sh for me in crontab -e |
| 19:49.00 | diz---232 | it has the proper permission to execute |
| 19:49.01 | MrFrood | Mongo44: did we not go through all this the other day? |
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| 19:49.09 | dizzylizzy | Now capslock is behaving as backspace, even though I have *NEVER* managed to get capslock to change to any other key behavior (like Control) in the past because of some apparent hardware issue involving the iBook keyboard and capslock and how it is sent to the system |
| 19:49.09 | diz---232 | if I manually type ./scriptname.sh then it executes |
| 19:50.41 | diz---232 | http://pastebin.com/N3GzHFXU is the script i also tried changing it to find /root/ . |
| 19:50.45 | Mongo44 | MrFrood, hey you are not supposed to be on Freenode. My old VM got corrupted and I deleted it. |
| 19:50.48 | ompaul | Mongo44: so let us review this, you asked about a repo, then you didn't know about how to install the repo, then you took the tools for installing a package, and mixed them up with a package, and then you refer to another network, and then you talk about a hard drive, and you refer to a package you couldn't know the name of that would use flash and then play video and you really think anyone could interact with that list of things each of which is |
| 19:50.50 | ompaul | almost a none sequitur to the others, how much overhead do think that is? |
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| 19:51.27 | ompaul | oh and it's a vm |
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| 19:51.36 | MrFrood | ompaul: he needs to add contrib to install flash-nonfree |
| 19:51.49 | ompaul | MrFrood: it was told that |
| 19:51.52 | MrFrood | Mongo44: paste bin your sources list |
| 19:51.58 | ompaul | it was told to stick out more |
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| 19:52.04 | ompaul | s/out/in/ |
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| 19:53.23 | ScottE | diz---232: Try adding something like ">>/tmp/miami.log 2>&1", then see what's appended to that file when the cron entry runs |
| 19:53.38 | Mongo44 | Damn, what is the path to sources again? |
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| 19:54.05 | ompaul | Mongo44: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:55.03 | diz---232 | ScottE: Yeah it's script related for sure I tried another sh file it works |
| 19:55.26 | diz---232 | ScottE: http://pastebin.com/N3GzHFXU any idea whats wrong? |
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| 19:55.38 | diz---232 | if I manually execute it then it works |
| 19:55.41 | diz---232 | it must be PATH related |
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| 19:56.33 | diz---232 | ScottE: it created a miami.log file but its empty |
| 19:56.33 | daswort | hi when i start iftop via sudo it uses the config from /root instead of the config in /home/user, is that an env problem |
| 19:56.34 | Mongo44 | Alright I need to run pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:57.29 | centrx | daswort, sudo runs as root, isn't that to be expected? |
| 19:58.07 | ScottE | If it's empty that suggests the stdout/stderr redirection are not in the right place |
| 19:58.22 | X-Sleepy-X | diz---232: Just curious, how did you execute the other script with crontab? |
| 19:58.37 | daswort | It wasn't the case in Ubuntu. I think the configuration regarding $HOME might be different. But i am not sure. Just guessing. centrx |
| 19:59.05 | diz---232 | Simply would type ./filename.sh in the /root/ directory |
| 19:59.10 | Mongo44 | That is not the right command. How do I pastebin my sources again? |
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| 19:59.23 | diz---232 | but this same .sh script will not execute via crontab |
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| 20:00.14 | MrFrood | !tell Mongo44 about pastebinit |
| 20:00.22 | diz---232 | maybe its a permission issue? |
| 20:01.11 | X-Sleepy-X | Mongo44: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:03.39 | thingy | diz---232: Greetings. Cron scripts not executing correctly can happen for numerous reasons. Have a look at this page to see if any of the reasons/solutions assist you: http://askubuntu.com/questions/23009/reasons-why-crontab-does-not-work |
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| 20:03.57 | Mongo44 | http://paste.debian.net/76941/ |
| 20:04.14 | Mongo44 | That is my sources list. |
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| 20:05.04 | MrFrood | Mongo44: add contrib at the end of line 7 |
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| 20:06.11 | Mongo44 | MrFrood, you sure that came default with the VM? |
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| 20:06.44 | diz---232 | thingy: thanks |
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| 20:07.15 | MrFrood | ompaul: am I sure? |
| 20:07.50 | ompaul | Mongo44: please use this link as your template http://paste.debian.net/76946/ |
| 20:08.00 | ompaul | MrFrood: it does more -- but you can work out why |
| 20:08.07 | ompaul | MrFrood: it does more than you asked for |
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| 20:08.12 | ompaul | drat |
| 20:08.17 | ompaul | Mongo44: it does more than you asked for |
| 20:08.22 | MrFrood | :) |
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| 20:10.44 | diz---232 | thingy: I added SHELL=/bin/sh PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin but I doubt that'll fix the issue |
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| 20:13.37 | ompaul | Mongo44: this list of things may help you http://paste.debian.net/76949/ |
| 20:13.57 | ompaul | Mongo44: ask MrFrood if it will be useful if you don't trust it |
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| 20:14.30 | MrFrood | ompaul: good list |
| 20:15.08 | Mongo44 | I suspect the both of yous have OSes that function well with the repositories. |
| 20:15.08 | ompaul | MrFrood: perhaps tell the OP |
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| 20:16.50 | MrFrood | Mongo44: contrib & non-free reposiories include packages with restrictive licences so are not included in the default sources list |
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| 20:17.18 | MrFrood | Mongo44: so you need to add them mannually |
| 20:17.47 | dizzylizzy | So I kind of just ran "chmod -R o+w *" in /etc as root, on accident I SWEAR |
| 20:17.48 | MrFrood | Mongo44: use the examples ompaul posted |
| 20:18.03 | dizzylizzy | i thought I wasn't root and I thought I was in /home/samba |
| 20:18.37 | centrx | You must have been dizzy at the time |
| 20:18.38 | Mongo44 | Pretty much I just add contrib non-free to the end of every sourse? |
| 20:18.45 | dizzylizzy | centrx: no s***! |
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| 20:19.57 | Mongo44 | Or repository. |
| 20:19.58 | ompaul | Mongo44: that was what you were told to do. |
| 20:19.59 | Mongo44 | Alright in process now. Just checking. |
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| 20:20.25 | dizzylizzy | will a simple "chmod -R o-w /etc" fix it? I'm really worried that there were things in /etc that had that permission, though i doubt it |
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| 20:24.25 | saivert | damn Linux for allowing you to complish one thing in so many different ways |
| 20:24.25 | saivert | *accomplish |
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| 20:24.53 | ompaul | saivert: the o/s of the Machiavellian |
| 20:25.23 | saivert | hoping using apt-get source nginx and building from that will be the canonical way |
| 20:26.13 | Juslintek | How is that package called, where you can | code you want to upload to webpage? Something like paste it |
| 20:26.16 | saivert | pastebincl ? |
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| 20:26.49 | Juslintek | no |
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| 20:26.54 | saivert | There is also this pastebin site which only requires one-liner (sh) to make pastes |
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| 20:27.08 | MrFrood | !tell Juslintek about pastebinit |
| 20:27.22 | Juslintek | yeh that one :-D |
| 20:27.25 | Juslintek | pastebinit :-) |
| 20:27.44 | Juslintek | awesome feature :-) |
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| 20:29.22 | Mongo44 | Oh I still need the media player plugin. |
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| 20:30.21 | thingy | diz---232: priv messages ok? |
| 20:30.21 | diz---232 | ok |
| 20:30.44 | Mongo44 | What is the command to install the media player? |
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| 20:36.10 | Mongo44 | The one that would allow me to run video content in the browser. |
| 20:36.11 | MrFrood | Mongo44: aptitude update |
| 20:36.11 | MrFrood | Mongo44: and then |
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| 20:36.12 | Mongo44 | MrFrood, the suspense is killing me. |
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| 20:36.13 | MrFrood | Mongo44: aptitude install gecko-mediaplayer flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 20:36.13 | MrFrood | Mongo44: and then look at ompaul's 2nd paste from earlier |
| 20:36.13 | Mongo44 | Yep, I already done all that. |
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| 20:41.07 | hesco | lsusb shows me: 'Bus 002 Device 002: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port", which is attached to the serial port of a switch I need to configure. I'm trying to sort out how it is I can telnet into the switch across a usb connection. Is that crazy? |
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| 20:41.50 | bugoff | hesco: you need to use console software |
| 20:42.07 | bugoff | hesco: do you know on what tty the usb is connected? |
| 20:42.08 | Mongo44 | Thanks ompaul. Thanks MrFrood you guys are life savers. I still don't have the codecs required to enable vlc player to work, but I will work on that later. |
| 20:42.25 | hesco | bugoff: have no idea |
| 20:42.30 | bugoff | hesco: try ls /dev/TTYU* |
| 20:42.36 | bugoff | how many devices do you have? |
| 20:42.36 | hesco | how would I determine that? |
| 20:42.44 | bugoff | or take a look using dmesg |
| 20:42.54 | hesco | ah, thanks, will do |
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| 20:43.10 | bugoff | hesco: and then you can "connect" to it using minicom or screen |
| 20:43.28 | hesco | and there you have it: pl2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0 |
| 20:43.41 | bugoff | hesco: do you have screen installed? |
| 20:43.49 | bugoff | otherwise just type screen /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 20:43.56 | bugoff | and hit enter a couple of times |
| 20:44.03 | hesco | I use tmux, let me see if screen is handy |
| 20:44.04 | bugoff | should give you your switch prompt :) |
| 20:44.13 | bugoff | tmux should do to i think :) |
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| 20:45.35 | jhutchins | bugoff: Hey, cool, I didn't know that worked. I thought you had to use minicom or something. |
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| 20:45.56 | hesco | ok, how would I use tmux then to connect to the device? |
| 20:46.12 | bugoff | hesco: looks like tmux doesn't support it. |
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| 20:46.45 | hesco | screen is not there, but was just added to my utilities manifest and will be installed on the next puppet run unless tmux will work for us |
| 20:47.05 | hesco | ok, will run the puppet agent and be ready in a moment to do it with screen. |
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| 20:48.47 | hesco | ok, /usr/bin/screen; what next |
| 20:48.57 | urn | anyone know of any good fonts that come with debian? I usually use pragmata pro but I'd like to have a decent font for a fallback? Any tips? |
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| 20:50.24 | hesco | bugoff: ok, see you directions, tried them and got back: [screen is terminating] |
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| 20:53.54 | hesco | ok, installing minicom next. |
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| 20:59.14 | hesco | have not seen minicom in ten years, when I connect I get Port /dev/tty8, ignoring the /dev/ttyUSB0 from the cli |
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| 21:01.29 | saivert | what do you need that for? a serial terminal? |
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| 21:02.24 | jhutchins | hesco: screen may need a speed setting, ie screen /dev/ttyUSB0 9600 |
| 21:02.50 | jhutchins | hesco: You can determine the port speed with setserial -g /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 21:03.04 | jhutchins | hesco: I think it sets to whatever you use though. |
| 21:03.05 | hesco | thanks jhutchins, will try that. I am a step closer with minicom, now addressing correct device |
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| 21:03.31 | saivert | I can't seem to install a newer kernel from wheezy-backports |
| 21:03.41 | saivert | The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-headers-amd64 : Depends: linux-headers-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64 but it is not going to be installed |
| 21:04.01 | saivert | guess the repo is bugged |
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| 21:04.23 | jhutchins | hesco: http://bryan-murdock.blogspot.com/2008/02/screen-as-serial-terminal.html |
| 21:04.27 | saivert | 3.11 isn't even the latest version that is available in the repos |
| 21:04.31 | saivert | 3.12 is |
| 21:04.41 | jhutchins | Now I wish I had a serial device to connect to. |
| 21:04.54 | hesco | thanks jhutchins, will take a look |
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| 21:05.04 | saivert | for fun you can set up a PPP connection between two linux machines with a null-modem cable |
| 21:05.26 | phox | jhutchins: hard drive? :P |
| 21:05.34 | phox | I think those are 3.3V serial FWIW |
| 21:06.14 | wols | ,kernels |
| 21:06.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-rc6-686-pae (3.13~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.6-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 21:06.44 | phox | lololol. it defaults to listing IA32 kernels? that's kind of a dumb default these days, no? |
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| 21:07.52 | jelly-home | phox: have you checked how many 32bit and 64bit installation there are in popcon? |
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| 21:10.36 | wjtaylor | should I be able to launch gparted from root in wheezy? |
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| 21:11.20 | saivert | guess meta packages are confused. manually picked 3.12 and installed the headers first, then the linux-image package |
| 21:11.23 | saivert | works now |
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| 21:12.28 | saivert | basically my only reason for staying on recent kernels is because I'm using btrfs |
| 21:12.40 | saivert | lots of bugs fixed in 3.12 |
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| 21:24.46 | xhc_[slovakia] | is it possible to use apt-listbugs without aptitude installing process? |
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| 21:25.22 | Evidlo | Whenever I installed ldap, a graphical tool popped up to configure it. Is there any way to run this tool again? |
| 21:25.42 | centrx | xhc_[slovakia], you mean without extra dependencies? |
| 21:25.42 | phox | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:25.48 | phox | Evidlo: ^^ |
| 21:26.04 | phox | of course it -might- want to blow out some of your existing settings |
| 21:26.20 | centrx | xhc_[slovakia], You can download the software and put it in its own directory, though it might have dependencies |
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| 21:27.22 | xhc_[slovakia] | centrx: no, I mean I want to see some app only with this command if there is some bugs, so no before aptitude install process |
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| 21:27.58 | xhc_[slovakia] | centrx: for example, I want to see kde-full ....... |
| 21:27.58 | Evidlo | phox: thanks |
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| 21:29.31 | phox | np |
| 21:29.32 | centrx | xhc_[slovakia], apt-listbugs kde-full ? |
| 21:29.52 | quotemstr | Is it possible to set up the 32-bit compiler packages as real cross-compiler (complete with i386-linux-gnu prefix) instead of using biarch? |
| 21:30.33 | xhc_[slovakia] | centrx: I tried it :-) but I dont have kde-full installed ...it shows: unknown command 'kde-full' |
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| 21:30.59 | centrx | oh sorry, I mean: apt-listbugs list kde-full |
| 21:31.25 | centrx | apt-listbugs -s all list kde-full |
| 21:31.37 | centrx | I am figuring this out right now myself |
| 21:31.55 | centrx | xhc_[slovakia], Look at apt-listbugs --help |
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| 21:32.08 | centrx | xhc_[slovakia], But in general, it looks like apt-listbugs without needing to install the package |
| 21:32.12 | xhc_[slovakia] | centrx: same way, but without errors, but I know, other pc has installed kde-full and there was by apt-listbugs some bugs written .. but in my pc, I dont have installed kde, and this command shows retrieving parsing done and thats it |
| 21:32.27 | centrx | xhc_[slovakia], Try the command with the -s all I just posted above |
| 21:32.32 | centrx | xhc_[slovakia], That will show all the bugs |
| 21:32.43 | Belial` | does apt-listbugs need to be invoked manually or will it be automatic if there's issues during an upgrade? |
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| 21:33.26 | centrx | "In particular, it is intended to be invoked before each upgrade |
| 21:33.27 | centrx | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.44 | xhc_[slovakia] | centrx: excelent,, I read -help, but argument 'all' was misiing in my write .. thnx |
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| 21:35.22 | glenrock | Belial`: it should warn you whenever you do an apt upgrade or install something via apt. check out this video to see an example of what happens if apt-listbugs finds a bug: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwAaELRQxeI |
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| 21:37.16 | Belial` | glenrock, thank you |
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| 21:43.24 | xhc_[slovakia] | centrx: one mor question :-) I have backports repository ...I think, apt-listbugs dont write situation in this repo, am I right? |
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| 21:45.05 | centrx | xhc_[slovakia], Probably not |
| 21:45.20 | xhc_[slovakia] | centrx: ok ) |
| 21:45.22 | centrx | xhc_[slovakia], backports bugs are reported to a mailing list, not the Bug Tracking System that apt-listbugs reads from |
| 21:45.46 | centrx | apparently |
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| 21:46.50 | xhc_[slovakia] | centrx: in generally kde-full has really nice summary of bugs... I have stable distro, why is there so many bugs? |
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| 21:49.37 | xhc_[slovakia] | centrx: and xfce4 more than kde4 |
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| 21:50.32 | centrx | xhc_[slovakia], I think apt-listbugs is listing all bugs reported, including bugs in the unstable/testing packages |
| 21:51.48 | centrx | xhc_[slovakia], If you add the argument: -T wheezy |
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| 21:52.17 | centrx | xhc_[slovakia], It should show only bugs "tagged" as applying to wheezy, which is the code name of the current stable release |
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| 21:52.55 | centrx | xhc_[slovakia], I believe apt-listbugs is most commonly used by people using the unstable distribution, which can have bugs that break the software, so you would want to know about them before intsalling |
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| 21:53.40 | xhc_[slovakia] | centrx: with -T wheezy, there is no bugs (kde-full, xfce4, amarok) |
| 21:53.46 | centrx | xhc_[slovakia], Also, note that the bug list includes "wishlist" and "minor" bugs, which can be feature requests or simply spelling errors in the documentation |
| 21:54.41 | bin_sh | is debian a good host OS for VPS containers |
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| 21:54.54 | xhc_[slovakia] | centrx: ahh u right |
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| 21:58.11 | centrx | xhc_[slovakia], You can also see the same info at http://bugs.debian.org/kde-full |
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| 22:04.19 | serverhorror | bin_sh: probably only as good as the admin maintaining it (then again that is true for almost any OS) |
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| 22:05.17 | bin_sh | serverhorror, heh. I'm trying to decide if I want to stick with debian or just buckle and install arch |
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| 22:05.39 | arthurfiggis | hello :) has anyone had much success with mounting a ntfs-formatted usb hard drive in wheezy? i have ntfs-3g installed, fuse, my account is added to the fuse and plugdev groups, but it still says that i don't have permission to mount the drive and suggests adding myself to the group when i try it :( |
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| 22:07.17 | shovel_boss | DEBIAN |
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| 22:07.20 | shovel_boss | im dissapoint |
| 22:07.28 | serverhorror | bin_sh: If you now your way around linux it shouldn't really matter that much. |
| 22:07.33 | shovel_boss | i tried with another hdd |
| 22:07.38 | shovel_boss | it still gives the same error |
| 22:07.51 | shovel_boss | i have pics |
| 22:08.05 | shovel_boss | someone have a look at them |
| 22:08.06 | shovel_boss | http://i.imgur.com/ESsa2jR.jpg |
| 22:08.37 | serverhorror | .oO('i have pics' somehow changes the context...) :) |
| 22:09.08 | shovel_boss | serverhorror, plz |
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| 22:10.51 | shovel_boss | help |
| 22:10.54 | shovel_boss | anyone |
| 22:11.13 | bin_sh | shovel_boss, have you tried turning it off and then on again |
| 22:11.27 | shovel_boss | im serious |
| 22:11.28 | shovel_boss | dont troll me |
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| 22:11.49 | shovel_boss | it happens almost all the time |
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| 22:11.56 | shovel_boss | 1/20 chance that it will boot |
| 22:12.05 | shovel_boss | i almost never get it to boot |
| 22:12.06 | bin_sh | might be somethign with the mobo |
| 22:12.16 | shovel_boss | are you sure? |
| 22:12.22 | shovel_boss | i also have a sempron processor |
| 22:12.25 | shovel_boss | 145 |
| 22:12.43 | bin_sh | no that's why i said "might be" |
| 22:12.49 | bin_sh | have you chjedked the ram |
| 22:13.29 | shovel_boss | yes |
| 22:13.31 | shovel_boss | ram and hdds |
| 22:13.37 | shovel_boss | they have 0 bad sectors |
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| 22:16.43 | Mr_Queue | guess I need to check scrollback.. |
| 22:16.46 | bin_sh | shovel_boss, might be the mobo then |
| 22:16.56 | Mr_Queue | But I like boxes that won't boot.. |
| 22:16.57 | bin_sh | is it possible to use ubuntu repos in debian/ |
| 22:16.59 | shovel_boss | the mobo is brand new |
| 22:17.07 | bin_sh | hm odd |
| 22:17.24 | Mr_Queue | bin_sh: why the fuck would you want to? Just use dipbuntu |
| 22:17.26 | shovel_boss | Mr_Queue, if there only was a button |
| 22:17.31 | shovel_boss | a magical button to scroll upwards |
| 22:17.38 | shovel_boss | i woudent be dissapoint |
| 22:18.17 | Mr_Queue | shovel_boss: reseat the ram |
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| 22:18.24 | shovel_boss | how do i do it |
| 22:18.41 | Mr_Queue | open the box |
| 22:18.47 | Mr_Queue | yank the ram out |
| 22:18.51 | Mr_Queue | put it back |
| 22:18.59 | Mr_Queue | if you have open slots, move the ram |
| 22:19.13 | shovel_boss | does it make a differance if i put it in a blue slot |
| 22:19.16 | shovel_boss | instead of white one |
| 22:19.23 | Mr_Queue | only if you took the red pill |
| 22:19.29 | Mr_Queue | I don't know your mobo |
| 22:19.38 | shovel_boss | ok |
| 22:19.45 | shovel_boss | ill make it happen |
| 22:19.47 | shovel_boss | hope it works |
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| 22:20.22 | bin_sh | Mr_Queue, because I want to install like 1 thing (and the deps) from the ubuntu repo |
| 22:21.21 | Mr_Queue | Why not just grab this one special thing from source and build/install it on your nice un dipbunted infected box and profit? |
| 22:21.37 | bin_sh | because fucking libraries |
| 22:21.42 | bin_sh | tl;dr i want to install lxc 1.0 |
| 22:21.44 | Mr_Queue | drum roll |
| 22:21.58 | bin_sh | ubuntu has it but debian doesnt |
| 22:22.01 | bin_sh | not even sid or jessie |
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| 22:22.15 | Mr_Queue | If you can't pull this off, then Ubuntu might be for you. |
| 22:22.35 | bin_sh | it's not that i can't |
| 22:22.40 | bin_sh | it's that i'm /lazy/ |
| 22:22.40 | Mr_Queue | ....... |
| 22:22.57 | Mr_Queue | Then Ubuntu _is_ for you. |
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| 22:23.01 | bin_sh | so i thought "well instead of compiling all of it, maybe i can just grab it directly from the ubuntu repo" |
| 22:24.20 | Mr_Queue | Try Apple products, then. Or roll the sleeves up and do it the Debian way and make yourself a .deb |
| 22:24.42 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 22:24.43 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 22:25.30 | Spec | bin_sh: apt-get builddep will grab the build dependencies required .... eh? |
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| 22:26.21 | Mike__ | hi. on debian 7, at compiling transmission 2.82, how I can add at ".configure" to build gtk+ client too? |
| 22:26.23 | bin_sh | Spec, orly? |
| 22:27.18 | Mr_Queue | He's serious... |
| 22:27.34 | Mr_Queue | Learn the Debian way or get out of the way... ;) |
| 22:28.02 | bin_sh | Mr_Queue, you sound like steve blowjobs |
| 22:28.08 | bin_sh | "do it the apple way or fuck off and die" |
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| 22:28.16 | Mr_Queue | bin_sh: So you get it? |
| 22:28.36 | bin_sh | lol |
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| 22:29.03 | ompaul | !mentors |
| 22:29.03 | dpkg | methinks mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 22:29.11 | ompaul | looks at the bot |
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| 22:30.19 | babilen | bin_sh: Please keep it civil in here, ta! |
| 22:30.29 | bin_sh | babilen, what? I am... |
| 22:30.33 | centrx | dpkg: do looks at ompaul |
| 22:30.34 | dpkg | wonders why those smelly goats should do looks at ompaul |
| 22:30.51 | ompaul | raises an eyebrow |
| 22:31.04 | Mr_Queue | bin_sh: Thing is, I don't give two shits about the guy who just found out that dipbuntu is based on Debian, and those guys climb our tree fort and then try to use Debian with the dipbuntu mentality.. |
| 22:31.10 | babilen | And that is when we all moved on and concentrated on support again |
| 22:31.53 | Mr_Queue | It's Debian, not dipbuntu.. Do what you need to do, be it from source, write it yourself, make it happen.. |
| 22:32.02 | bin_sh | Mr_Queue, holy shit I just asked a question. You don't have to be so hostile. For the record, I knew about Debian before Ubuntu and was simply curious if it was possible |
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| 22:32.28 | centrx | Calm down everyone! |
| 22:32.31 | Mr_Queue | This is me having a party for you. |
| 22:32.42 | ompaul | bin_sh: advice, take it or leave, it, shhhhhh you didn't have to reply |
| 22:33.10 | centrx | bin_sh, I think it all went wrong when you said you were lazy |
| 22:33.11 | ompaul | Mr_Queue: can you tell me how to invoke squid ident logging with squid 3 on wheezy? |
| 22:33.29 | ompaul | randomly has a real question and picks on someone (bad idea) |
| 22:33.31 | Mr_Queue | I was at a linux conference once..... Kid asked me what I run, I said Debian.. He then asked, "Based on what?" |
| 22:33.42 | bin_sh | centrx, maybe but everyone is lazy sometimes. |
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| 22:34.09 | shovel_boss | bin_sh, ITS HAPPENING ITS HAPPENING |
| 22:34.11 | shovel_boss | it works |
| 22:34.14 | shovel_boss | thank you so much |
| 22:34.24 | shovel_boss | i been trying to fix this for 3days |
| 22:34.26 | shovel_boss | finaly it worked |
| 22:34.28 | shovel_boss | thanks again |
| 22:34.29 | bin_sh | shovel_boss, yay :D |
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| 22:35.57 | ChibaPet | bin_sh: So, no version of LXC will save you from evasion via sysfs, or has something new happened? |
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| 22:37.23 | dutchfish | ompaul, maybe time for a break? (don't be offended) |
| 22:37.41 | ompaul | grabs a kitkat |
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| 22:38.21 | bin_sh | ChibaPet, wat |
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| 22:39.15 | ChibaPet | bin_sh: http://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_413 |
| 22:39.16 | topi` | I upgraded my apache2 and as a result, all the public_htmls in users' homes are no longer reachable, it's all 403 Forbidden. Where should I look for the relevant config file that disallows these? |
| 22:40.02 | topi` | evidently the newer versions of Apache2 have changed the syntax of permissions configuring, Order allow,deny no longer seems to work |
| 22:40.21 | bin_sh | ChibaPet, that's from 2011 I think it's been fixed in 1.0 |
| 22:40.24 | bin_sh | not sure though |
| 22:40.28 | jhutchins | topi`: Upgraded. From what, to what, using what. How. |
| 22:40.28 | dutchfish | topi`, https://wiki.debian.org/LaMp (about half down the page) |
| 22:40.32 | ChibaPet | bin_sh: No, it'll have to be fixed in the kernel. |
| 22:40.42 | bin_sh | ChibaPet, ahh |
| 22:40.57 | bin_sh | ChibaPet, tbh i just wanted to learn lxc |
| 22:40.58 | ChibaPet | bin_sh: People kind of dance around it with SELinux and capabilities, but it's dodgy. |
| 22:41.08 | bin_sh | maybe i'll try something else instead |
| 22:41.16 | bin_sh | ChibaPet, what do you recommend? |
| 22:41.26 | ChibaPet | bin_sh: IMHO you're better off spending the time on v-server or openvz until things change. |
| 22:41.44 | bin_sh | what about openstack? coworker of mine was telling me about it |
| 22:41.54 | Mr_Queue | topi`: Climb the tree... |
| 22:42.00 | Mr_Queue | 403 is perms.. |
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| 22:42.14 | Mr_Queue | I don't know how you are doing it.. |
| 22:42.19 | topi` | dutchfish: ok, the userdir module, thanks a bunch! |
| 22:42.21 | Mr_Queue | if they are all in /home start there. |
| 22:42.27 | dutchfish | topi`, yes, also check drwxr-xr-x |
| 22:42.31 | Mr_Queue | ^^ |
| 22:42.34 | Mr_Queue | 755 |
| 22:42.45 | topi` | dutchfish: the unix permissions aren't the problem. |
| 22:42.50 | Mr_Queue | run a find across them with 755 and 644 |
| 22:42.51 | dutchfish | topi`, okidoki |
| 22:42.55 | Mr_Queue | for files and dris |
| 22:42.57 | huglester | greetings everyone! anyone using backuppc, as a backup solution? I have troubles starting it |
| 22:42.57 | Mr_Queue | dirs |
| 22:42.59 | ChibaPet | bin_sh: I'm not wildly familiar with it - others might have a more useful opinion. I'm just comparing the Linux-based containers with my recommendation. |
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| 22:43.02 | jhutchins | Onewould suspect that, given that he implies he upgraded a working system. |
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| 22:43.36 | bin_sh | ChibaPet, i appreciate it :) openvz is a posibility |
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| 22:43.40 | bin_sh | or maybe xen |
| 22:43.50 | jhutchins | topi`: Returning to my previous question, I suspect I might know what it is. |
| 22:43.51 | bin_sh | havent looked much. just got the server today |
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| 22:44.55 | ChibaPet | bin_sh: OpenStack appears to encompass various virtualization technologies. However, Xen and OpenVZ are different varieties of virtualization. If you want a hypervisor, that's Xen or LVM or Bhyve, lately, for free software. Container-based would be LXC, OpenVZ, Linux v-server, or Jails. |
| 22:45.07 | ChibaPet | s/LVM/KVM/ |
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| 22:46.43 | bin_sh | ChibaPet, thanks for that info. I'm not sure what I want to do yet. the host machine is this: http://imgur.com/WotFETj |
| 22:46.59 | agentcasey | what unix command is a relative substitution for ls? |
| 22:47.30 | jhutchins | agentcasey: Huh? |
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| 22:47.42 | bin_sh | agentcasey, what |
| 22:47.43 | dutchfish | agentcasey, if it got linked 'dir' ;) |
| 22:47.45 | topi` | jhutchins: I already had to modify my 001-foo.conf config files to get my virtualhosts accepting connections again, after the upgrade. Now I realized that user public_htmls were affected as well. |
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| 22:48.07 | jhutchins | topi`: You don't have to answer my question. |
| 22:48.43 | agentcasey | some embedded systems are so tiny they leave out some commands like ls and less so how can you see the files in a directory without these tools? |
| 22:48.52 | topi` | jhutchins: sorry. I don't know how to find out what was the previous version of apache2. |
| 22:49.04 | centrx | agentcasey, echo * |
| 22:49.04 | ChibaPet | bin_sh: Decide what workload you want, and that will determine which virtualization technology you want. Different OSes/kernels? Xen or KVM. Separated services all running, say, Debian? OpenVZ or V-Server. Or, you can mix the two, which is what I do. |
| 22:49.06 | topi` | now I'm at apache2 2.4.6-3 |
| 22:49.12 | centrx | agentcasey, ca |
| 22:49.13 | centrx | cat |
| 22:49.39 | agentcasey | centrx Thanks I thought echo * would do it too. |
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| 22:50.36 | agentcasey | cat will substitute for less or more while echo * will substitute for ls |
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| 22:50.47 | bin_sh | ChibaPet, I thought that openvz allowed other linux operating systems under the host OS? my VPS' that run debian/centOS are openvz and there's an option to install another OS |
| 22:51.01 | jhutchins | topi`: Where did you get the current version from and how did you install it? (Where did you get the previous version, ditto?) |
| 22:51.05 | ChibaPet | bin_sh: Shared kernel, but otherwise, yes. |
| 22:51.11 | jhutchins | ,versions apache2 |
| 22:51.12 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; wheezy: 2.2.22-13; jessie: 2.4.6-3; sid: 2.4.7-1 |
| 22:51.28 | bin_sh | ChibaPet, so would it be possible to have a CentOS openvz container on my debian server? |
| 22:51.38 | ChibaPet | bin_sh: Yes. |
| 22:51.44 | topi` | jhutchins: regular repositories for debian sid. |
| 22:51.44 | bin_sh | okay that's what I thouyght] |
| 22:51.44 | jhutchins | topi`: What user is the current apache running as? |
| 22:51.59 | topi` | www-data it seems |
| 22:52.27 | ChibaPet | bin_sh: But you couldn't have, say, a FreeBSD or Windows OpenVZ container. For that kind of thing you need one of the hypervisor-based virtual machines. |
| 22:52.48 | jhutchins | topi`: Not that 2.4.6-3 is not current sid, but is current jessie. |
| 22:52.52 | bin_sh | ChibaPet, yeah that makes sense. |
| 22:53.17 | topi` | right. |
| 22:53.18 | prpl | I am installing wheezy 7.1 to usb using linux live usb creator. Because there are no updates"allowed", should I download v.7.2 to have a more recent installation ?...ty |
| 22:53.19 | jhutchins | topi`: 403 is most likely because the user or group permissions changed, but check the logs to see what the server is complaining aobut. That's often more useful than the error code. |
| 22:53.42 | bin_sh | ChibaPet, that makes sense |
| 22:53.48 | prpl | just for fun and education... |
| 22:53.55 | topi` | it says AH01630: client denied by server configuration |
| 22:54.12 | topi` | so it's my config all right, as I suspected |
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| 22:54.39 | topi` | after running the upgrade, apache2 got updated, but my configs are still untouched from the apache2.0 times |
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| 22:56.34 | matachi | In the aptitude terminal GUI, is it possible to select multiple packages |
| 22:56.35 | matachi | ? |
| 22:56.51 | jhutchins | topi`: That would imply an allow/deny statement has gone wrong. |
| 22:56.56 | bin_sh | ChibaPet, i'm heading out but i'll bbl |
| 22:57.01 | dutchfish | matachi, yes, man aptitude or select/deselect with +/- |
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| 22:57.18 | topi` | jhutchins: indeed, and those were the statements that I had to fix when I needed to get my virtualhosts back online... |
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| 22:57.28 | topi` | i'll just recheck those |
| 22:58.03 | topi` | there seems to be a new line which says "Require all granted |
| 22:58.15 | topi` | I'll try that (blindly) |
| 22:59.21 | matachi | dutchfish: I mean, can I select multiple packages and then mark them all at once for removal? |
| 22:59.49 | topi` | ok, that solved it! in case anyone else encounters this issue |
| 23:00.04 | dutchfish | matachi, yes, but it will prompt you for dependecies after you did 'go' |
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| 23:00.37 | dutchfish | matachi, make sure you satify them carefully |
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| 23:01.25 | Tubby | !ops |
| 23:01.25 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
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| 23:02.24 | matachi | dutchfish: ummm |
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| 23:03.02 | matachi | dutchfish: I mean, can highlight multiple rows in the package list at the same time, then press - to mark all highligted packages at once for removal? |
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| 23:03.18 | dutchfish | matachi, yes |
| 23:03.28 | matachi | dutchfish: with which key? |
| 23:03.41 | dutchfish | matachi, + to select - to deselect |
| 23:03.52 | matachi | so it's not possible then? |
| 23:04.19 | dutchfish | matachi, i am sorry, either i misunderstand your question, or th elanguage barrier is in between us |
| 23:05.04 | matachi | when I press j and k I move the highlighted row up and down, right? |
| 23:05.34 | matachi | Is it possible to expand the number of highlighted rows, like the visual mode in vim? |
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| 23:07.04 | dutchfish | matachi, not that i am aware of, because interactive apatitude has now select/deselect filter other then manually |
| 23:07.12 | dutchfish | s/now/no |
| 23:08.59 | matachi | huh? |
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| 23:10.27 | dutchfish | matachi, in other words i am not aware that there is a dragging select |
| 23:10.36 | matachi | ok |
| 23:10.42 | matachi | nvm, thanks anyways |
| 23:10.46 | dutchfish | yw |
| 23:11.44 | matachi | it's just that there is a slight delay after clicking - , which makes it a bit tedious to select multiple packages one after another |
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| 23:12.06 | dutchfish | matachi, yes, it checks dependecies in the background |
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| 23:12.16 | matachi | okey |
| 23:12.30 | dutchfish | matachi, i think you should try a filter in console mode |
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| 23:12.57 | dutchfish | matachi, if that is possible |
| 23:13.08 | matachi | I just thought it would be fun to learn the GUI :D |
| 23:13.49 | matachi | btw, I uninstalled some preinstalled gnome games, and it said that gnome was removed. Is that OK? I guess it means that the complete meta package isn't installed anymore? |
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| 23:15.32 | ScottE | matachi: that is probably all it means.. |
| 23:15.43 | matachi | ScottE: ok, good |
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| 23:17.23 | dutchfish | matachi, you can also delve into package apt-rdepends |
| 23:17.57 | dutchfish | matachi, and aptitude -r option |
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| 23:18.35 | dutchfish | matachi, and -s to simulate if you are uncertain and want a dry run |
| 23:19.02 | TREST | Do you think it would be possible to compile emdebian for microblaze? |
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| 23:20.22 | matachi | dutchfish: will check that out |
| 23:20.48 | dutchfish | TREST, its possible but ask #emdebian for th enitty gritty |
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| 23:21.52 | TREST | dutchfish: that is an empty channel? |
| 23:22.24 | dutchfish | TREST, irc.debian.org #emdebian |
| 23:22.34 | TREST | Oops |
| 23:22.35 | TREST | Thank you |
| 23:22.38 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 23:24.43 | micw | hi |
| 23:25.55 | micw | is there a way to set a kind of automount that uses my login credentials (or my keystore) to mount a smb share on login (or better to enable a automount smb share on login)? |
| 23:29.08 | dutchfish | micw, there are several ways to do that, a quick and dirty and a thorough way |
| 23:29.46 | dutchfish | micw, by means of a window manager script or a full blown smaba domain setup with ldap |
| 23:30.11 | dutchfish | micw, the docs https://wiki.debian.org/SambaDomainController |
| 23:30.32 | dutchfish | s/smaba/samba |
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| 23:31.48 | dutchfish | micw, if its only a bunch of users you also just could smb mount it in fstab and define credentials on the file level |
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| 23:32.25 | dutchfish | micw, like its done in a $home dir |
| 23:32.59 | dutchfish | micw, ~/.bashrc is another aproach |
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| 23:34.05 | dutchfish | micw, it all depends on your mileage |
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| 23:34.41 | jhutchins | We share ~home over nfs and mount it with autofs. Works great. |
| 23:34.57 | dutchfish | jhutchins, yup, i would prefer that as well |
| 23:35.26 | dutchfish | (smb is a chatty proto) |
| 23:35.27 | micw | i have my office's smb which is reachable via openvpn (but no nfs) |
| 23:35.36 | micw | so i could add it to autofs |
| 23:35.58 | micw | but i'd prefer somethinge like an autofs that uses my keystore after login ^^ |
| 23:36.08 | jhutchins | micw: Put the credentials in a consistently named ~/credentials file. |
| 23:36.41 | micw | jhutchins, that's the usual autofs way, yes |
| 23:36.49 | jhutchins | micw: keystore != cifs |
| 23:37.13 | micw | i know. i'm looking for a way to do such. |
| 23:37.20 | dutchfish | micw, http://anothersysadmin.wordpress.com/2007/12/17/howto-mount-samba-shares-in-fstab-using-a-credential-file/ |
| 23:37.30 | dutchfish | micw, thats the closest thing |
| 23:37.39 | micw | e.g. when i log into x11, i can use smb:// virtual filesystem in almost all desktop environments |
| 23:37.54 | guest442 | SirLagz: have you gotten google hangouts to work on jessie by chance? i was reading that a depency needs to downgrade. |
| 23:38.03 | micw | (most using gnome-vfs + gnome keystore) |
| 23:38.14 | micw | but this restricts access to gnome apps |
| 23:38.22 | guest442 | SirLagz: so far everything works great minus Google Hangouts on Jessie. I would rather not break anything :D |
| 23:38.31 | dutchfish | micw, you will get a hard time to maintain it on a changing userbase |
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| 23:39.55 | micw | thats my homeoffice. only one user |
| 23:40.07 | dutchfish | micw, fstab then |
| 23:40.10 | micw | probably using autofs is the best here ^^ |
| 23:40.25 | micw | oh, autofs is always better than fstab for remote fs |
| 23:40.38 | dutchfish | wrong |
| 23:41.32 | dutchfish | unless the user(s) know(s) how to handle things when it goes wrong |
| 23:42.51 | micw | i see ^^ |
| 23:42.53 | dutchfish | i prefer personally fstab automount, only root can alter that |
| 23:43.06 | dutchfish | but thats just me |
| 23:44.31 | dutchfish | and i works even i do a plain console logon |
| 23:45.08 | TREST | Is there a way to use NFS securely? I have a farm of machines external users use (and normally get root on), they boot over the network |
| 23:45.23 | TREST | But in theory they can simply mount the root directory of another machine by changing the ip |
| 23:45.24 | jhutchins | dutchfish: autofs is an advantage in that it drops the mounts if they're not in use and therefore is less likely to have a mount hang. |
| 23:45.49 | jhutchins | TREST: Only if it's shared. |
| 23:46.01 | TREST | Yes, but it is shared |
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| 23:46.18 | TREST | for example node 1 has ip 192.168.80.1 and mounts /root1 on 192.168.80.254 |
| 23:46.23 | TREST | node 2 mounts /root2 etc |
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| 23:46.30 | dutchfish | jhutchins, noted, thank you |
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| 23:47.05 | TREST | I think I should get a managed switch and configure it so it will not pass traffic anymore if someone changes the ip |
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| 23:47.21 | TREST | then he cannot mount the other rootfs, but I was wondering if I can get this security some other way |
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| 23:48.59 | dutchfish | TREST, vlan it, or make a backend over a seculated subnet, or (not so good in performance) tunnel it |
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| 23:49.35 | justaguy | why is Xorg so bloated |
| 23:49.44 | TREST | is there an advantage to VLANs? If i just set switchport 1 to only pass 192.168.80.1 etc |
| 23:49.52 | dutchfish | justaguy, good question :) |
| 23:49.54 | TREST | Otherwise I have 188 vlan interfaces on the server |
| 23:50.03 | TREST | The switch can do layer 3 filtering |
| 23:51.12 | TREST | tunneling is not an option I think, since the kernel has to mount rootfs over NFS (the machines only have a 256KB flash storing a bootloader) |
| 23:51.16 | TREST | (it are embedded boards) |
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| 23:51.35 | TREST | so kerberos also did not work |
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| 23:52.31 | spearhead | how do you install packages directly from apt without dpkg --force-all for no deps? |
| 23:55.10 | azizLIGHTS | what package to get to fix problem: Can't locate DBI.pm in @INC |
| 23:55.24 | azizLIGHTS | perl |
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| 23:55.43 | dutchfish | TREST, for that amount i would choose nfs vlan groups with authentication over radius, it depends on the clients uniqueness, if all ar drones like a cluster, one big vlan |
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| 23:56.15 | nkuttler | !tell azizLIGHTS about apt-file |
| 23:56.45 | jhutchins | TREST: You are making your life more difficult than it needs to be. |
| 23:57.13 | TREST | jhutchins: what do you recommend? |
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| 23:57.24 | TREST | I cannot trust the client at all, the users supply their own rootfs, and sometimes even kernel |
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| 23:57.40 | Juslintek | Hey anyone know any guides for optimising Debian? :-) |
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| 23:58.51 | dutchfish | TREST, are those clients iron or virtual machines? |
| 23:58.56 | TREST | Real iron |
| 23:59.02 | TREST | embedded boards connected to some hardware |
| 23:59.05 | TREST | used for scientific testing |
| 23:59.06 | dutchfish | ok |
| 23:59.20 | dutchfish | cluster it |
| 23:59.45 | dutchfish | separation comes for free on remote boot |
