IRC log for #debian on 20140122

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15:59.38*** topic/#debian is wheezy released: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy | current point release: /msg dpkg 7.3 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net)
16:00.27damascenoI checked using hdparm and it doesn't look good. Timing cached reads:   16184 MB in  1.99 seconds = 8141.77 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 222 MB in  3.04 seconds =  72.96 MB/sec
16:00.42ChrisHdamasceno: lines which are colored.. while running eg. ls -lR
16:01.15TomyWorkis there an easy way to determine which files in a certain folder are not apt-installed?
16:01.36TomyWorkor dpkg-managed in general
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16:02.31abrotmanjudd: info cruft
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16:02.33juddPackage cruft (admin, optional) in wheezy/i386: program that finds any cruft built up on your system. Version: 0.9.16; Size: 105.6k; Installed: 1316k; Homepage: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/cruft/
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16:02.59damascenoChrisH: I'm sorry but there's no colored line, everything is black and white.
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16:04.02damascenoChrisH: but I can see the DSK.
16:04.04ChrisHdamasceno: check for lines in the upper part starting with DSK
16:04.19ChrisHand there for busy
16:04.36abrotmanTomyWork: that was for you
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16:05.14damascenoExactly. I found it. MDD (My RAID) 0%, sdb 50%, sda 48%
16:05.31ac_slaterHey guys, I want to script a manual choice for `update-alternatives`. I'm actually using ubuntu but I'm really a debian guy. Seeing how this is an apt issue, I thought asking here was fair.
16:06.15ac_slaterI usually do `update-alternatives --config gcc` and press 2 for the gcc-4.7... maybe I'm missing the option to supply my alternative
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16:06.26BurpsHi : I'm trying to use "monit" to raise an alarm if a file exists : I can't seem to find the right syntax : It seems there can be an alarm if a file "DOES NOT EXIST", but not the opposite : am I wrong ?
16:06.50damascenoChrisH:  is that terrible?
16:07.23ArchDukeI have an NTFS drive I'm trying to mount on wheezy, but I'm getting an error saying I have to use chkdisk - what is my best option to get the drive working again?
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16:07.45damascenoChrisH: Because on the other server the sdb is 2% and the sda is 1% so I seems to be bad...
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16:08.20ac_slaterArchDuke: Honestly, use a windows machine. But if you cant, there are some ntfs3g fsck utils I believe.
16:08.39ArchDukeThanks ac_slater, I'll try those out
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16:14.52ChrisHdamasceno: anything in dmesg? can you show dmesg and atop on paste.debian.net?
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16:15.15damascenoChrisH: Sure! Give me one second...
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16:15.52netstarHi all did anyone notice wiki.debian.org is down?
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16:16.23damascenoChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/77857/
16:17.39TomyWorkabrotman that sounds like it does a lot more than just checking the with the package manager
16:18.02abrotmanTomyWork: check the docs
16:18.18TomyWorki did
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16:18.38PoleschCan the Debian DVD be installed from a flash drive just fine?
16:18.41damascenoChrisH: dmesg -> http://paste.debian.net/77859/
16:18.45TomyWorkwell i'll try it on an unprivileged user and see what happens
16:18.50abrotmanTomyWork: decent plan
16:18.54abrotmanPolesch: yes
16:18.58PoleschGood
16:18.59abrotmandpkg: tell Polesch about ig
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16:19.47ac_slateralright so I have both gcc4.6 and gcc4.7 installed. I was messing with things and `update-alternatives` can no longer find my gcc alternatives. Help?
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16:20.38abrotmanac_slater: you set the CC var
16:20.55petn-randallac_slater: Can you reproduce what you did?
16:21.24ac_slaterabrotman: naw I needed it to be a system-wide update. I just figured it out. I just reinstalled the package with --reinstall and did a `dpkg-reconfigure gcc`. It seemed to work.
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16:21.55ChrisHdamasceno: looks strange... lots of writes. check cat /proc/mdstat
16:21.59ac_slaterpetn-randall: wish I could. I was frantically running `update-alternative` commands basically without looking/thinking. ;)
16:22.12PoleschSimply unpack the .ISO onto the memory stick like with other stuff?
16:22.18TomyWorkabrotman: cd: 55: can't cd to /var/spool/cruft
16:22.23TomyWorkso much for that plan :)
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16:22.53damascenoChrisH: yes exactly. Well I already checked it seems to be fine: http://paste.debian.net/77861/
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16:24.03krababbelWhen would it make sense to create different LVM volume groups? I guess there is mainly the limit of logical volumes per group?
16:24.17abrotmanTomyWork: I don't think it will do anyhting more than give you a report
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16:25.39cnzanyone know a good guide that shows how to setup samba so I can share my hard drives on my fileserver over my network and where I can just browse to them and not have to enter any user/password info
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16:26.05ChrisHdamasceno: last idea currently iostat -zNx 5
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16:29.18nonconvergentA chroot can't use a different kernel, can it?
16:29.59damascenoChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/77864/
16:30.49damascenoChrisH: I also think it's a hardware problem but the server is in our datacenter and it's a little bit far from the office so I need to be 100% sure to go there :/
16:30.51krababbelcnz: Just create a section in smb.conf, is that unclear?
16:30.57ksknonconvergent: nope
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16:32.07krababbelcnz: There has to be 'guest ok = yes' so that noone needs a password. However, Windows I believe will always ask for one at least once.
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16:32.34cnzkrababbel, like this right http://pastebin.com/i1LCw14H
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16:32.37krababbelcnz: That seems to be part of the SMB protocol and how it is handled by the client.
16:32.40cnzand do that for all the drives I want to share
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16:34.13krababbelcnz: Something like this, yes. Look in samba's manual, I am not sure, you need the create and dir modes, the seem to work confusingly for Linux clients at least. I am also not sure what the last line does.
16:34.51krababbelcnz: The clients then have to browse the share under '//ip/Share', instead of ip-address, DNS name works also.
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16:35.14dskflanyone knows why iceweasel 20 doesn't respect /etc/hosts ? i have added an entry like 127.0.0.1  testing.local to /etc/hosts and i can ping that and get a response, also i can use chromium and it works fine, just iceweasel says it's not found and only works with http://localhost
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16:35.52dskflthis never happend with older versions ..
16:35.56krababbelcnz: path and guest ok should be enough for the clients to be able to read it at least.
16:36.13cnzkrababbel, cool thanks :)
16:36.28krababbelnp cnz :)
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16:37.02ChrisHdamasceno: md0 seems fast, can you test that mirror?
16:37.20krababbelcnz: One line you might want to make sure is there, or uncommented is 'security = user'.
16:37.35cnzkrababbel,yeah did that
16:37.40cnzchanged it to security = share
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16:38.45dskfldamn firefox , only does it when i'm offline
16:38.59krababbelcnz: OK, user should be OK in your situation, the guest ok line just makes everyone a default guest user anyway. 'share' seems to be discouraged by the manual, and leaving it out altogether makes some autodetection work.
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16:39.56cnzsweet that works whatI have in the config
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16:40.06krababbelnice :)
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16:40.23damascenoChrisH: md0 is fast it's working fine. the problem is md2 (It's a RAID between sda6 and sdb6). :/
16:40.38cnzno password required either by windows
16:41.10haltHi All, is there any good and recent howto for db based debian mail server setup ?
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16:41.33damascenohalt: what mail server software do you want to use?
16:42.14krababbelcnz: Cool, sometimes it still asks because Windows always sends password and samba has to deal with it or something, might be irritating once for user-specific access.
16:42.20haltdamasceno: prefered the postfix, but exim could be also good, I'm just what something what I can use with IMAP as well,
16:42.40cnzaahh ok
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16:42.59krababbelcnz: :) I recently set one up again
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16:43.23cnzI haven't used samba in a few years so I forgot lol
16:43.37n0archthere are plenty of good postfix/dovecot guides if you want to go that route
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16:44.33damascenohalt: if you want to setup a mail server for your company take a look at Zimbra, it's really good. If you want to setup a mail server just to send the emails (Like mail marketing) use postfix. And you can also use Qmail + Postfix. Qmail will create que queue and send to postfix it's really fast but it's a pretty complicated configuration.
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16:45.15damascenoChrisH: is there any other tool to test it? So I can be sure that it's a hardware problem?
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16:46.01haltdamasceno: no company, not just outgoing, i have  a presonal domain and there i want to handle my e-mails myself, and since the servers already have debian, i whould put the mail just next to the web
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16:47.24TomyWorkis there something i can use to parse a "control" file and generate a .deb file name from?
16:48.06TomyWorknm, dpkg-deb already does that
16:48.08ChrisHdamasceno: eg dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1024k
16:48.16damascenohalt: Got it I wrote a how to but it's in portuguese so I think it shouldn't work for you but take a look at postfix + roundcube. It works pretty well and the interface is pretty simple.
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16:49.18cnzkrababbel, thanks again for the help got all drives shared and network mapped
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16:49.27krababbelcnz: np ;)
16:49.33haltdamasceno:  I may can read that, can you give a link to that ? btw the webmail not optional for me, i wnat IMAP for sure
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16:50.18damascenohalt: sure! http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/artigo/Qmail-simples-e-funcional
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16:52.58thvleHello, is possible isntall Linux without logs?
16:53.06damascenoChrisH: It's running, I do not know how long it will take because as I told you it's pretty slow. :/
16:53.09thvle(debian)
16:53.23TomyWorkthvle can you be more specific?
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16:54.32thvleTomyWork: I don't want logs in my system, I have SSD and logs is a crimen
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16:54.53abrotmana crimen?
16:55.31TomyWorkthvle whatever a "crimen" is, you're wrong
16:56.17ChrisHdamasceno: check for errors in dmesg/syslog/messages. I will leave now.
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16:57.20damascenoChrisH: ok thank you very much.
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17:00.56cnzhey krababbel, quick question, any idea why I wouldn't be able to max out my home inet downloading to my file server through the network
17:01.13krababbelcnz: over internet or lan?
17:01.17cnzI was able to before I switched it from windows 7 to debian, probably the nic driver debian is using?
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17:01.49krababbelcnz: You mean you have slower speed when downloading from the server in the LAN?
17:01.57cnzkrababbel, internet like go to the web from thispc and download something and save it to a drive on the fileserver
17:02.29TomyWorkthvle why are you wrong? because in consumer systems, ssd wear is a non-issue. if you're doing serious business, you dont want to be without logs and you would also be able to afford a secondary non-ssd drive for the logs and other things
17:02.39krababbelcnz: Well Windows might use a newer SMB Version, Samba defaults to 1.0 I think.
17:03.02TomyWorkthvle http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html
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17:03.18cnzkrababbel, hhmm
17:03.29cnznot a huge deal was just curious if I should buy a pci nic for the fileserver or not
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17:03.34krababbelcnz: I don't have any issues though, I didn't do anything other than you, so it might be the driver, yes
17:04.00cnzcool, thanks for the tips
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17:05.00boratynskikamilHello. I'm using chntpw tool and I would like to change SAM file. I got an error: "Cannot find value: \SAM\Domains\Account\Users\FFFFFFFF\V"? Suggestions how to solve it?
17:06.16thvletomywork: ok, and disable competely logs is not viable=?
17:07.04TomyWorkthvle if something goes wrong, you need to be able to figure out what and why, so you need the logs
17:07.28TomyWorkthvle what are you using debian for?
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17:09.17thvleTomyWork: today use, gaming, browser, music, etc
17:09.25krababbelthvle: current SSDs are made for gigabytes of writes per day
17:09.51TomyWorkthvle so consumer stuff
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17:10.08TomyWorkwear becomes relevant if you have things like an eve online server :)
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17:10.42jellyor too little ram and swap on ssd
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17:11.34thvlekrababbel: okay, but I usually disable always jorunaling in ext4, since I have a UPS.
17:11.52TomyWorkand crashes never happen, yes
17:12.18TomyWorkyour system is a set-up for a disaster
17:12.30krababbelthvle: I think you are looking at data roughly in Megabytes per day, not even one percent of what SSDs are made for.
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17:13.01krababbelthvle: The days of fragile SSDs (first models ever sold) should be over.
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17:13.03TomyWorkyeah, if you're worried about wear, stop streaming music
17:13.33krababbelthvle: It is really just a hassle for you.
17:13.34thvlekrababbel: I have a Crucial M4 128GB
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17:13.54kRushjust don't buy OCZ and you're golden
17:14.12thvleTomyWork: Journaling is required even with UPS?
17:14.13krababbelthvle: That's fairly new.
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17:14.24rozieTomyWork: streaming music (reads) are irrevelant for ssd life
17:14.37roziethat's writes what matters
17:15.07TomyWorkrozie  i mean from the internet
17:15.22TomyWorkassuming buffering on the disk
17:15.27eduhatI have a client that is running debian 5.0 that may have some botnet malware on his server. When I ran apt-get update it gave an error that security.debian.org for lenny is 404 (not found). Is this because it is EOL?
17:15.36abrotmaneduhat: yes
17:16.08rozieTomyWork: there are system buffers too. data may never hit disk
17:16.10abrotmaneduhat: it's all been rolled up at archive.debian.org
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17:16.35krababbelthvle: You should take into account the amount of data you write, again GBs per day is perfectly fine.
17:16.37eduhatabrotman: ok, so can I add these repos and at least get the latest updates available?
17:16.48abrotmaneduhat: "replace", not add ...
17:16.50abrotmanbut yes
17:16.55TomyWorkrozie your average music stream goes through flash player :)
17:17.06rozieTomyWork: so what?
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17:17.22eduhatabrotman: ok, thanks.
17:17.24rozieflash does not skip kernel in magic way
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17:18.27TomyWorkrozie you mean if flash tells the kernel to write to the disk, the kernel ignores that for half an hour?
17:18.31TomyWorkthat sounds scary
17:18.33TomyWorkanyway i gtg
17:18.39nonconvergentany downside to backporting a kernel?
17:18.55Nyoxiyo! I have some (philosophical) question on those using git-buildpackage. what's the benefit of having upstream files in the master (debian) branch?
17:19.00eduhatabrotman: where can I find how to do this? Or can I just replace security.debian.org with archive.debian.org?
17:19.31Nyoxiseems kind of dirty to me and you can't change the files (patch directly) anyway
17:19.35wheN1Where i can download all 10 DVD of Debian Wheezy? i found only 4: DVD1,2,3 and update.
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17:20.09rozieTomyWork: dunno. anyway I checked my systems (laptops). I have <2TB of lifetime writes reported by tune2fs
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17:20.19rozieon 2 year old systems
17:20.42abrotmaneduhat: archive.debian.org has the instructions
17:21.03eduhatabrotman: again, thanks.
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17:22.20rozienonconvergent: it may not work with old software. but this rarely happens
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17:23.05rozieand if you want to backport on your own there's one downside: it's probably already done. check wheezy-backports
17:23.31thvleTomywork: Debian is compatible with EFI boot? (I have UEFI)
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17:25.56krababbelthvle: If you are able to disable secure boot in BIOS, yes, otherwise you need to use the Ubuntu signed loader I believe.
17:26.32krababbelUnder Hyperv the display seems broken in EFI mode though, can't use the installer.
17:26.51krababbelthvle: and you need the 64bit version of debian
17:27.20thvlekrababbel: Yes, with secure boot disabled. I  view debian 7.3 ISO, and I look EFI folder and efi.img
17:27.31thvlekrababbel: of course.
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17:31.02krababbelthvle: Yes, for a couple of months the installer has supported EFI.
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17:32.08Eduard_MunteanuIs there a way to dpkg-reconfigure all packages? I debootstrap systems, possibly with additional packages, and they require configuration.
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17:32.30Eduard_MunteanuOr perhaps reconfigure all those which need it.
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17:33.38wols_-a
17:34.20Eduard_Munteanuwols_: it doesn't recognize that option
17:34.45wols_what doesn't?
17:35.01wols_dpkg-reconfigure certainly does
17:35.10Eduard_Munteanudpkg-reconfigure -a  says  "Unknown option: a" followed by the help message.
17:35.21Eduard_Munteanuwols_: this is a Jessie debootstrap, if it matters.
17:35.32somiajthat is a dpkg option I thought for unpacked but not configured packages
17:35.37somiajI do not see that option for dpkg-reconfigure
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17:36.38Eduard_MunteanuBTW, is there a more sensible way to install chroots like that? Should I just use the debian installer in a VM?
17:36.45wols_I do.
17:36.45wols_<PROTECTED>
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17:36.50wols_in my dpkg-reconfigure manpage
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17:37.34icerootwhen i have ssh with pubkey-only and i want to connect from a new pc (key is not shared at the moment) what is the option to share that key? use an existing machine with key-auth and copy that key with scp? as it seems i can not use ssh-copy-id because password auth is disabled. what is the way you are using for that "problem"?
17:38.26somiajwols_: hmm what version of dpkg-reconfigure, it is not in my man page and I ahve the sid version
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17:40.37Eduard_Munteanuiceroot: what do you mean "share"?
17:40.40somiajhmm, seems to be in the 2011-06-22 man page I found online, but the 2013-09-03 man page I have doens't have it, let me check the change logs
17:41.12icerootEduard_Munteanu: upload my pub-key to that system which i want to use in the future
17:41.15Ross-Just discovered Tmux and irssi. This.Just.Changed.Everything.
17:41.30Ross-My RPi terminal just became much more homely
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17:41.36biglamaRoss-: where were you all this time ? :)
17:41.49Ross-..On my windows or my mac :(
17:41.52somiajwols_: ahh, looks like that option was removed, from the changelog for debconf. "* Remove dpkg-reconfigure -a, which existed only to accumulate bug reports about bugs in other packages. Closes: #721329, #664825, #558262, #617618, #707987"
17:42.04biglamaadd the solarized scheme and you're golden
17:42.05Ross-biglama: Dont judge me, i didn't know better
17:42.06somiajin the most recentn update, 1.5.52
17:43.16Eduard_Munteanuiceroot: you could   ssh-copy-id -i new-key.pub user@machine   from a machine which already has public key access.
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17:43.56Ross-biglama: Ive actually looked at color schemes for my terminal but wasn't sure how
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17:44.17Ross-biglama: I need to look into it, im not sure whats possible with just a terminal
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17:45.08biglamaRoss-: http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized it can be troublesome to set it up in tmux but worth it IMO
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17:46.09Myrthhi, both curl and libcurl3 files are missing from apt?
17:46.25wols_somiaj: 1.5.50 of debconf
17:46.35icerootEduard_Munteanu: ok, thank you, that is what i thought
17:46.36ClearleapMatt@myrth which repos? have you run an apt-get update recently?
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17:47.43MyrthClearleapMatt: hmm.. my bad, not used to need to do apt-get update before.. thanks
17:48.19Eduard_MunteanuHm, if I go the debian installer way, can it be completely automated when preseeding?
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17:49.18Eduard_Munteanualso wonders if it's possible to bootstrap a custom debian-installer easily
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17:49.45ClearleapMattIt's not bad
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17:49.56ClearleapMatt@Eduard_Munteanu you can even include a post-install script to set up users and install packages
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17:51.17Eduard_MunteanuClearleapMatt: is the Debian installer also available as a standalone package / thing?
17:51.31ClearleapMattHave you played around with pxe booting?
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17:51.52Eduard_MunteanuClearleapMatt: not in conjunction with Debian CDs, no.
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17:52.04N4Y_webchathi, do you have an idea why command-not-found can't tell me which package contains a specific binary?
17:52.19N4Y_webchati'm looking for `aclocal`
17:52.21ClearleapMatt@Eduard_Munteanu Hmm, let me see what I can dig up
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17:52.30N4Y_webchati'm quite sure it should be in the repos
17:52.51Eduard_MunteanuN4Y_webchat: autoconf, likely
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17:53.51N4Y_webchatEduard_Munteanu: do you have an idea though why command-not-found can't find that?
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17:54.05Eduard_MunteanuN4Y_webchat: no, not really.
17:54.26Eduard_MunteanuN4Y_webchat: you probably want to install build-essentials, I think
17:54.32N4Y_webchatthose are already installed
17:54.41ArrowmasterN4Y_webchat: packages.debian.org shows the only file with that in debian is a bash completion file.... i think its gone
17:54.41ClearleapMatt@Eduard_Munteanu check otu https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso
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17:54.56Eduard_MunteanuN4Y_webchat: can you check if tab-completion after 'aclocal' shows anything?
17:55.09smwHi all, is there any backport repo with a newer kernel?
17:55.12N4Y_webchatEduard_Munteanu: i installed autoconf and it fixed it
17:55.39Eduard_MunteanuClearleapMatt: thanks, I found something similar as well
17:55.52smwI am hoping it will fix my graphics card problems. The refresh rate is horrible on external monitors.
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17:56.22MaliceI have a problem... Every time I connect my SD card, it's read-only. I can't save anything in there, but there's clearly space available.
17:56.29MaliceSD adapter isn't locked.
17:56.34MaliceAnd it mounts automatically.
17:56.51N4Y_webchatArrowmaster: /usr/bin/aclocal: symbolic link to `/etc/alternatives/aclocal': symbolic link to `/usr/bin/aclocal-1.11': Perl script, ASCII text executable
17:57.17Arrowmasterah that would confuse it
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17:57.40wols_Malice: unmount and fsck
17:57.46N4Y_webchatyeah, appearently
17:57.53Arrowmasternow they show http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=aclocal&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any
17:57.56Malicewols_ what does fsck mean?
17:58.04n0archfile system check
17:58.05Eduard_MunteanuN4Y_webchat: likely that's because there are multiple versions of the toolchain and packages usually depend on a specific one
17:58.11mintgreenwhich is the best DE to run in debian?
17:58.14wols_smw: backports has a 3.12 kernel. the kernel doesn't matter in refresh rates at all
17:58.18wols_Malice: man fsck
17:58.27wols_!tell mintgreen about best
17:58.28Eduard_Munteanumintgreen: likely the default one
17:58.35wols_!tell smw about bpo
17:58.39smwwols_, it isn't that the refresh rate isn't set correctly
17:58.54MaliceBut where should I use it? On SD card? If yes, then will this script not break my card? I am using it for my smartphone.
17:58.56smwwols_, it is that it is redrawing slow
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17:59.07smwwols_, anyways, thanks for the link
17:59.08MaliceSorry if I'm asking stupid questions, but I'm not familiar with topic...
17:59.11wols_smw: then that's the wrong driver. what videochip is it?
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17:59.40smwwols_, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
17:59.43wols_Malice: what does "mount" say when the card is mounted?
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18:00.12wols_smw: HD2500/4000 should be supported by wheezy out of the box. what does Xorg.0.log say?
18:00.13smwwols_, it isn't like things move slow on the external monitor. It just doesn't draw the whole screen fast enough
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18:00.33wols_smw: laptop? optimus?
18:00.34tharkunI've got a busy mta server which is still running on squeeze, what would be a nice acurate lapse of time to upgrade it ot wheezy. What caveats should I be aware besides the usual backup everything you might need?
18:00.47smwwols_, hp envy dv6
18:00.50Malicewols_ quite much: http://pastebin.com/216wmr3h
18:00.59smwwols_, (laptop)
18:01.00wols_!tell tharkun about squeeze->wheezy
18:01.11tharkunwols_: read that allready thanks.
18:01.19wols_tharkun: the biggest part is the mail system. everything else is just a single reboot
18:01.19Eduard_Munteanutharkun: it's probably best to install and test in isolation first
18:01.29smwwols_, don't know what to look for in xorg log
18:01.37wols_smw: paste.debian.net it
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18:02.02tharkunwols_: Thanks I guessed the same.
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18:02.58smwwols_, http://fpaste.org/70747/04137691/
18:03.02tharkunEduard_Munteanu: I really am quite comfortable breaking the mail system and fixing it again. I just need to break it fast enough and fix it also fast enough :D
18:03.05neglesaksanyone know if it is possible to get SMART data using disk tool (palimpsest) for USB 3.0 drives somewhow?
18:03.46tharkunWhat bothers me most is  squeeze->wheezy failures
18:04.57Eduard_Munteanutharkun: you want to upgrade? I'd suggest taking a snapshot and running the upgrade in a VM.
18:05.35tharkunEduard_Munteanu: What would be your choice fo VM?
18:05.59ClearleapMattFor personal or enterprise?
18:06.06ClearleapMattI use virtualbox at home, but at work we use Proxmox
18:06.35Eduard_Munteanutharkun: I tend to use kvm for full virtualization
18:06.54smwwols_, are you looking at the link? Do you mind if I install 3.12 and restart?
18:07.49tharkunClearleapMatt: Thanks I'll look into both of them.
18:07.58Eduard_Munteanutharkun: you can also consider libvirt, but it tends to need more boilerplate than just setting up kvm or some other thing in particular
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18:09.26tharkunEduard_Munteanu: Thanks I'll schedule some time to set the VM and try to clone the server. I'm just preparing in case the install breaks badly to install fresh and set up everything as fast as possible. The mailqueue will defenetly grow on all sides for a few hours.
18:09.27Eduard_MunteanuIf you plan things ahead you can just shutdown your host's services and have the guest replace them for a test.
18:09.37wols_smw: go ahead if you want 3.12
18:10.30Eduard_Munteanutharkun: if you test it a bit in advance, it should be nearly seamless.
18:10.41tharkunEduard_Munteanu: I like the aproach but DNS propagation is the isue.
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18:10.59acuOK, so wheezy backports brings a new kernel ?  I need badly to start using btrfs - and it was said that from 3.12 onward should be preety stable - I know RHEL 7 will have 3.10 (but beefed up),  but if I want to use wheezy I am a bit in dilema - since the kernel is so old (from btrfs stability viewpoint)
18:11.07Eduard_Munteanutharkun: how so? Do you intend to change any DNS recordS?
18:11.09tharkunmx records and spf ones have to be altered ... I guess I will go with the hi adreanline one :D
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18:11.23g00seThis is driving me nuts. I've spent hours trying to remap keys so that i can compensate for a broken Return key on Wheezy xfce. Is there anyone who can tell me how to do this so it works already at the login screen? I seem to have read acres of docs to no avail
18:11.24acuSo I wonder if anyone can advise - if one want to run Debian with btrfs - what would be the best route
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18:11.30tharkunI can't move the ip from one server to another.
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18:11.51EvidloWhy is it that apache can't access any files that didn't originate from that machine?  Even if I chown, it still has permissions issues.
18:11.54Eduard_Munteanutharkun: if it wasn't clear I was suggesting you bring up the guest on the current server
18:12.03phoxacu: "don't run bitterfs"
18:12.05jelly-homeg00se: give up and use Ctrl-J ?
18:12.14Eduard_MunteanuAt least when it's all done and tested.
18:12.16phoxit'll make you bitter.
18:12.18tharkunEduard_Munteanu: The hardware doesn't support virtualization.
18:12.35g00sejelly-home: Never heard of that one!
18:12.55acuphox: any concrete experience with btrfs ? what kernel and debian version did you use, what where the issues ?
18:12.56jelly-homeg00se: oh, what _have_ you been using instead then
18:13.03Eduard_Munteanutharkun: hm. Consider Xen then, it can run paravirtualized guests without any specific hw virt support.
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18:13.19g00sejelly-home: ;) What about BackSpace? That's also dead
18:13.37jelly-homeg00se: ctrl h may or may not be the same thing
18:13.39tharkunEduard_Munteanu: Allready did, the overhead would kill the performance on the VM. That was my first option.
18:14.14Eduard_Munteanutharkun: Xen PV guests have little overhead. Anyway, it should be enough for testing.
18:14.25g00sejelly-home: This is a crash course in the upper echelons of Ctrl
18:14.59jelly-homeg00se: these are standard terminal (DEC VT100) emulator settings, btw
18:15.02tharkunEduard_Munteanu: Thanks, you are right. I kind of lost focus.
18:15.12tharkungoes testing
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18:16.23g00seAh ok
18:16.25mauwwdoes sb know how i can check md5 checksums
18:16.33mauwwof downloads..
18:16.46Eduard_Munteanutharkun: there's a slight problem though: you'll likely have to build the VM on a virt-enabled machine if you intend to boot the Debian CD.
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18:17.14Eduard_MunteanuBut it should be easy to transform it into a Xen guest when doing the final test.
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18:18.17Eduard_Munteanutharkun: or you could just set up DNAT or some other way to redirect traffic to a machine which can run kvm/vbox
18:18.40g00sethinks he's broken the login manager now by trying to insert xmodmap calls into various X files
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18:19.13smwwols_, you were right, didn't help :-\
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18:22.56EvidloDoes ls -l show all file permission stats?
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18:23.49jordanmEvidlo: it does not show ACLs, but does show a "+" if there are ACLs
18:24.45Evidlojordanm: So these have identical permissions, correct? http://www.rafb.me/results/GkxJWd12.html
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18:25.12wols_smw: it's a laptop with optimus, right?
18:25.32jordanmEvidlo: unix permissions, yes
18:25.38smwwols_, what is optimus?
18:25.41jordanmEvidlo: are you using SELinux?
18:25.51wols_smw: nvidia and intel graphics in the same laptop
18:26.05Evidlojordanm: Yes, it's enabled.
18:26.15jordanmEvidlo: ls -Z shows the SELinux lables
18:26.34smwwols_, how would I know this?
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18:26.50jordanmEvidlo: also look at the permissions on the parent directories
18:26.51smwwols_, lspci | grep -i nvidia is blank
18:27.06Evidlojordanm: I can access index.php, but not Terminus.tff
18:27.07Evidlohttp://paste.fedoraproject.org/70755/15209139
18:27.09smwwols_, lspci | grep -i vga returns an intel integrated chip
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18:27.42Evidlosmw: Also grep is case sensitive
18:27.55smwEvidlo, grep -i isn't :-)
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18:28.11jordanmEvidlo: the selinux labels are obviously different
18:28.13sbsI need to install an app requiring ruby2. apt-get says it's unknown what should I parameter to have apt find the package?
18:28.17wols_smw: normally you know it cause "optimus" is featured prominently for the notebook
18:28.28wols_smw: I doubt you can do anything then if it has intel only
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18:28.39smwwols_, ok, thanks for the help
18:28.40Evidlojordanm: I've never had to deal with SELinux permissions before.
18:28.48smwwols_, I can live with it
18:28.56EvidloAre the regular permissions not enough for a secure system?
18:29.06smwwols_, the flicker and whatnot is annoying when I move windows, but it isn't too horrible
18:29.10jordanmEvidlo: what version of debian is this?
18:29.18EvidloWheezy
18:29.26jordanmEvidlo: who setup selinux?
18:29.33EvidloIt was the default.
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18:29.39jordanmno, it's not the default
18:29.59dizzylizzyis there a way to only list symbolic links with 'ls'?
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18:30.07EvidloMaybe another user was messing with it.
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18:30.19dizzylizzyI guess that this works: ls -l |grep "^l"
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18:30.31jordanmEvidlo: only root can mess with that
18:30.32dizzylizzybut that seems really roundabout
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18:31.20Evidlojordanm: restorecon -Rv /var/www   seems to have fixed it
18:31.37jordanmdizzylizzy: find . -type l -ls
18:31.41AmmoniacalI'm all new to Debian, it just installed. I'm trying to do a sudo command, but says I'm not in the sudoers file. How do I fix this?
18:32.03jordanmAmmoniacal: add youself to the sudoers file
18:32.10AmmoniacalWell, how?
18:32.12ClearleapMattbecome root
18:32.14ClearleapMatt(su)
18:32.17jordanmAmmoniacal: visudo as root
18:32.18ClearleapMattand then type visudo
18:32.20dizzylizzyjordanm: :D thx!
18:32.23sbsAmmoniacal : su as root then visudo duplicate root line and replace root with your own user name
18:32.29ClearleapMattyou can add yourself by typing
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18:32.36ClearleapMattusername ALL=(ALL) ALL
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18:33.16AmmoniacalNone of this seems to work, I just get authentication failed
18:33.21saiverthttps://github.com/fre5h/DoctrineEnumBundle/pull/12#issuecomment-33023169
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18:34.12AmmoniacalNow I got it
18:34.16jordanm!tell Ammoniacal about forgot root password
18:34.32AmmoniacalI haven't forgotten anything!
18:34.40AmmoniacalI'm in visudo now
18:34.55AmmoniacalHow do I add myself here?
18:34.58g00sejelly-home: Those are good in terminals, but not in guis. Fortunately at the login screen i can use the touchpad the .xsessionrc can do my xmodmap stuff. btw does .xsessionrc have to be executable?
18:35.06jordanmAmmoniacal: it's a text editor...
18:35.26AmmoniacalDuh
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18:36.39phoxacu: not debian.  I've have a few friends lose stuff on btrfs.  if you want something more concrete, go lose your own data, then.
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18:36.50AmmoniacalThis sucks
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18:37.16ctmjrAmmoniacal: you need to log out and back in
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18:38.22jordanmctmjr: no, not for sudoers changes
18:38.32AmmoniacalI'll use the terminal some other day maybe
18:38.36AmmoniacalI won't be bothered with this
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18:39.39AmmoniacalAny particular reason why debian want admin password or sudo everywhere?
18:39.57wheN1security
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18:40.29jordanmif you are using a DE like gnome or KDE, you can have it cache your credentials for the session
18:40.41unclezipperAmmoniacal, it's to protect your computer. A way of making sure that you know you're about to perform an action that will affect the system, and thatit may have adverse effects
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18:41.31unclezipperI remember it being a pain when I first switched over several years ago, but I've come to appreciate it since.
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18:42.37wheN1what if your root password over 60 symbols?
18:42.45unclezipperSo, does anyone here use JBOD? I was hoping to get some pointers about hardware
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18:43.20unclezipperwheN1, if your root password is over 60 characters you probably know enough to automate the process of filling it in
18:43.37unclezipperOr install sudo
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18:43.50SwedeMikeunclezipper: what do you want to know?
18:43.52wheN1automate? but it is vulnerability
18:43.58wheN1i think
18:44.09wheN1if you do not use some Token
18:44.15unclezipperwheN1, not if it's hashed with a smaller passphrase
18:44.27wheN1hmmm, cool
18:44.27cranehey ho, i pretty much broke my x-server configuration. and i have no clue how to solve this... :/ what i have done i have replaced my primary vga card from nvidia with an old radeon. i put the nvidia into my second vga slot. i boot up the system and uninstalled the official nvidia driver. now my x11 is messed up and i dont really now how to create a new one with my radeon insert
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18:44.42AmmoniacalCan you get WINE on debian?
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18:45.02wols_,v wine
18:45.03juddPackage: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-2; sid: 1.6.2-2+b1
18:45.03dizzylizzyAmmoniacal: if you're using an x86 or x86_64 version
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18:45.20smallfoot-Please package openjdk-8
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18:45.44Ross-exit
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18:46.01smallfoot-Please package HexChat
18:46.02wols_crane: what radeon card? delete all xorg.conf and xorg.conf.d/ files. check for nvidia remnants with dpkg -l |grep nvidia
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18:46.13wols_!tell smallfoot- about ftp
18:46.16wols_!tell smallfoot- about rfp
18:46.24unclezipperSwedeMike, I was looking into getting a 16 disk JBOD enclosure for a project I'm doing. I want to use it as an SQL server and a NFS server. I'm not sure if I was wanting to use RAID or ZFS yet; I'm still studying about it. I was just wondering if anybody knows what kind of processing power I'd need for ZFS.
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18:46.36cranewols_, ati raden hd 3850
18:46.44wols_unclezipper: how is this a debian support question?
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18:47.09saivertunclezipper: for ZFS you need RAM mostly
18:47.09wols_crane: do what I wrote above
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18:47.17unclezipperwols_, your question isn't a debian support question either. Get out of here :P
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18:47.23toraxqqqqqqqqqqaaaa
18:47.36wols_unclezipper: please stay on topic. and take hardware question to where they belong. thank you
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18:47.48toraxoh sorry
18:47.57cranewols_, done
18:47.58saivertwrite /topic
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18:48.40AmmoniacalHow do I delete files?
18:48.51AmmoniacalA, wastebasket
18:48.52AmmoniacalHaha
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18:49.30unclezipperAmmoniacal, in the terminal you can use the rm command... Otherwise, most DEs will allow you to right click and select "Delete" or "Remove" in the file manager
18:50.16smallfoot-Most desktop environments let you just press the "Del" or "Delete" button on the keyboard too
18:50.23saivertwhoaw
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18:51.04SwedeMikeunclezipper: for SQL server you want raid1 anyway. I have no idea about ZFS requirements.
18:51.10AmmoniacalThe delete button didn't work, and I saw no bin or delete on right click
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18:51.48saivertExplain what item you are trying to delete and where it is located on the screen. You might be trying to remove something which should not be removed.
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18:52.14AmmoniacalI found the wastebasket and put it there, no worries
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18:52.36phoxthe whole hard drive?
18:52.48AmmoniacalJust a .deb file
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18:53.57unclezipperSwedeMike, Thanks. I was thinking either RAID 1 or 6 for the SQL server
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18:55.24AmmoniacalCan't get WINE to work though
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18:55.38Ammoniacal(Can't even find it)
18:56.01AmmoniacalThis linnix world really is way different
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18:56.47jhutchins,versions wine
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18:56.48juddPackage: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-2; sid: 1.6.2-2+b1
18:56.51wheN1apt-get install wine?
18:57.06AmmoniacalCan't do any commands in wine
18:57.10Ammoniacalin the terminal*
18:57.14MikaelaI am also having issuese with WINE on Sid, but I don't need it se much.
18:57.19jhutchins!!wine
18:57.23jhutchins!wine
18:57.24dpkgWine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems.  Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ .  http://wiki.winehq.org/HowTo  http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ  #winehq on irc.freenode.net.  See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries.  See also <newer wine>.
18:57.31wols_wine program.exe  should just work
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18:57.49wheN1Ammoniacal: type "su"
18:57.57wheN1and enter your root password
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18:58.10AmmoniacalDone
18:58.17wheN1nad then apt-get install wine
18:58.31wheN1su
18:58.36wheN1[enter]
18:58.40jhutchinsAmmoniacal: You should probably also read the HowTo and FAQ links above.
18:58.41AmmoniacalSays wine already is the newest version, huh
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18:58.45wheN1your password
18:58.56wheN1type wine
18:59.21AmmoniacalThe wine window popped up
18:59.56MikaelawheN1: Usually it's recommended to use "su -" so your environment doesn't follow you to root.
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19:00.19AmmoniacalSeems like I got wine installed, but how do I use it, why can't I find it anywhere
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19:00.56wheN1su -?
19:01.00wheN1thanks
19:01.04wheN1i am newbie
19:01.16wheN1why "sudo" does not work?
19:01.34wheN1in my terminal it does not work
19:01.37donvitoapt-get install sudo
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19:01.51donvitotry to install it first
19:02.16wols_wheN1: when you installed debian, have you set a root password? if you did, sudo doesn't work and has to be configured by you
19:02.31wols_simply installing the sudo package won't help either
19:02.34AmmoniacalI'm too stupid for linux distros
19:02.56donvitoinstall sudo, after that add username to sudoers
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19:03.01donvitoall do this by root
19:03.14mauwwcan sb tell what services on debian is all with cron? crontab and so on. ive had any cronservice running but i cant remember -.-
19:04.08wols_mauww: totally depends on the packages you run. on the top if my head, I only remember logrotate
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19:04.28MikaelaAmmoniacal: We all were when we started using it. You will get better :)
19:04.32AmmoniacalActually, sudo don't work. That's all.
19:05.06mauwwwols_: logrotate ?
19:05.49wols_mauww: yes
19:06.09mauwwi meant ive edited any cron file which is working but now crontab -e is empty ... idk what cron service it ws
19:06.12AmmoniacalThat's interesting, my machine just froze and turned off
19:06.24mauwwAmmoniacal: thats not interesting
19:06.27AmmoniacalHuh
19:06.30mauwwAmmoniacal: thats malware
19:06.47mauwwAmmoniacal: imo
19:06.57AmmoniacalBut it's a fresh debian install
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19:07.01wols_mauww: you don't have enough information to make this statement
19:07.04wols_Ammoniacal: ignore him
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19:07.21AmmoniacalMaybe it just got too hot
19:07.26mauwwwols_: lol oh im sory
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19:07.38wheN1Ammoniacal, all you must do - use google
19:07.46wheN1and Documentation
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19:09.10Plinker_Ammoniacal: Did you error check the ISO?
19:09.23AmmoniacalNetinstall
19:09.34Plinker_Hmm!
19:10.10Plinker_Does that error check?
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19:10.28AmmoniacalNo idea, doubt it
19:10.41jhutchinsAmmoniacal: You can check /var/log/syslog when you restart it, it may show what triggered the shutdown.
19:10.45AmmoniacalQuick way to get CPU temp readings on this?
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19:11.04jhutchinsAmmoniacal: Other than that, you may want to install lm_sensors and watch the system temperatures.
19:11.17Plinker_jhutchins: Good idea
19:11.29AmmoniacalI've had temp problems with ubuntu before
19:11.36MikaelaI was just going to suggest lm_sensors.
19:11.49jhutchinsAmmoniacal: Laptop or desktop?
19:11.56MikaelaAfter it's installed, run sensors-detect as root to check for all sensors you have installed.
19:11.58wols_,info lm-sensors
19:11.59juddPackage lm-sensors (utils, extra) in wheezy/i386: utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors. Version: 1:3.3.2-2+deb7u1; Size: 125.4k; Installed: 412k; Homepage: http://www.lm-sensors.org; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/lm-sensors
19:12.32Plinker_Ammoniacal: Are you in a warm country?
19:12.50wols_Plinker_: only matters if he is south of the equator
19:13.12AmmoniacalNo, Norway
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19:14.14AmmoniacalHow do I run lm-sensors after install?
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19:15.32Plinker_You don't by any chance have a live disk of Debian Ammoniacal?
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19:15.59somiajAmmoniacal: the binary is called 'sensors', and there are some binaries to configure/detect what sensors you have
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19:16.13somiajAmmoniacal: dpkg -L lm-sensors will list all files installed from that package if you need to look up binary names
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19:29.59jhutchinsAmmoniacal: there is a script called sensors-detect that configures the program for your hardware.  It may or may not be run by dpkg.  If "sensors" does not return good data, run the detect script.
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19:30.42Eduard_MunteanuArguably detection isn't safe for some buses, like ISA.
19:30.43AmmoniacalI'm sorry, I can't do this, just not for me
19:30.46jhutchinsAmmoniacal: THere are some on-screen displays that can use the information from the sensors package, but the most useful feature may be the logging.  If the system locks up, have a look at the most recent entries from the sensors daemon in the syslog.
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19:32.05jhutchinsAmmoniacal: Remember, whenever you changing the system, for instance installing or configuring software, you need to do it as root.
19:32.20PhifeJudd, user HoMM_ said he wants to speak to you in #dogecoin-trade
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19:34.13AmmoniacalI appreciate the help guys
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19:36.09Eduard_MunteanuHow do you ask Debian to regenerate the system SSH identity?
19:36.48jelly-homeEduard_Munteanu: wipe or move away the host key files and dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server
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19:37.31Eduard_Munteanujelly-home: hm, so I have to remove /etc/ssh/ manually?
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19:37.52jelly-homeEduard_Munteanu: just the host keys.
19:37.57jelly-homenot the whole directory.
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19:38.40Eduard_MunteanuI see, thanks. Actually I was interested in generating them in a chroot, before an actual boot, I guess dpkg-reconfigure will do that.
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19:40.35saivertacu: you need recent kernel so get them via backports. then grab latest btrfs-tools from sid
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19:41.06crane*meh* i don't get a login screen with ctrl + alt f1-6... why?
19:41.17saivertI really don't get why debian even has btrfs stuff in the repos when they are so out of date and btrfs really needs recent versions to be useful
19:41.19cranei just see the last boot msgs
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19:42.00jhutchinscrane: Which release?
19:42.03jelly-homesaivert: probably because noone's filed a bug saying the versions in debian are actively harmful.
19:42.28cranejhutchins, wheezy
19:43.14jhutchinscrane: Are the gettys running?
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19:43.56jhutchinscrane: ps ax | grep tty in a terminal window.
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19:44.25cranejhutchins, aye, shows me from 1 till 6
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19:45.36jhutchinscrane: WHat if you press enter on the screen with the messages?
19:45.52cranejhutchins, nothing happens :D
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19:46.09craneif i resatrt gdm3 for example i cant get back into anything. i have to reboot
19:46.47cranejhutchins, can this happen by a messed up xorg.conf?
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19:49.38JanniHello.
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19:51.36JanniI have a question: I have defined a number of encrypted disks in /etc/crypttab some of which depend on each other, in the sense that a keyfile for say disk A is stored on the encrypted disk B. I'd like to be able to automatically start and mount disk A during booting.
19:52.11JanniThat would mean that some of crypttab's contents would need to be interpreted after interpreting parts of fstab.
19:52.27JanniDoes anyone know whether such an option exists?
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19:52.41eduhatis the /usr/sbin/adduser script a perl script?
19:52.54phoxeduhat: it shouldn't be.  ask `file`
19:53.08phoxah, so it is
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19:53.25eduhatphox: i'm running rkhunter and it showed it as a warning saying that it has been replaced with a perl script
19:53.42phoxeduhat: useradd is the thing you ought to be using, anyways
19:53.57phoxeduhat: mine's a perl script, too.  adduser is kind of new-school and I would expect it to be a script
19:54.29eduhatphox: correct, I was just wondering if it is "debian-wide" :)
19:54.42phoxapparently so, at least on wheezy
19:55.09phoxalso yeah that should have been a bourne shell script, but someone's lazy/incompetent/something
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19:55.31eduhatthis guy is runny lenny :(
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19:55.45phoxyeah
19:55.51eduhatphox: think it's a possibility of proof of compromise?
19:55.58phoxI wouldn't expect that utility to change very often
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19:56.00phoxeduhat: no
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19:56.14phoxas I said, mine is a perl script, too
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19:57.47eduhatok, just double checking.
19:57.47oo_miguelIs it somehow possible to alliow a normal user to run a specific command as root (in particular ejabberdctl) so he can create new jabber user
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19:58.08oo_miguelI do not want to give him any other rights however
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19:58.59Jannioo_miguel: man sudo; man sudoers
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19:59.23sbschmod u+s used to allow this kind of trick
19:59.36cnzwhat's the name of the package that needs to be installed to be able to remote desktop into debian
19:59.49oo_miguelthank you
20:00.05dondelelcarocnz: you can do remote desktop (well, remote X) with just ssh and xauth.
20:00.05Jannicnz: shell or X?
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20:00.17cnzJanni, X
20:00.27cnzso I can pull up the desktop and view it via remotedesktop
20:00.30dondelelcarocnz: just ssh -X foohost; and it should work.
20:00.42cnzdondelelcaro, I don't want to use ssh
20:00.48cnzI want to use windows remote desktop client
20:01.19dondelelcarocnz: then install xrdp
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20:01.37neglesaksanyone know if it is possible to get SMART data using disk tool (palimpsest) for USB 3.0 drives somewhow?
20:01.38cnzthanks
20:01.52dondelelcaroneglesaks: you can often just get it using smartctl
20:01.53cranejhutchins, still there?
20:02.10neglesaksdondelelcaro, thanks for the suggestion
20:02.20dondelelcaro(in general, if smartctl can't see it, nothing can)
20:02.26jhutchinscrane: Maybe.
20:02.55cranejhutchins, maybe there or maybe this will cause my problem? :D
20:03.47jhutchinscrane: Since the TTYs are runing, the problem appears to be switching between them.  How are you restarting gdm?
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20:04.19cranejhutchins, service gdm3 restart
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20:05.17jhutchinscrane: In a terminal?
20:05.34jhutchinscrane: What if you stop gdm and try to switch screens?
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20:05.42JanniIf I wanted to add a custom init-script (to tackle the cryptdisk problem from above) to be executed at boot-time, where would be an appropriate place to put it? I don't want to throw it into /etc/init.d with the system scripts...
20:06.12jhutchinsJanni: Simplest answer is rc.local
20:06.22cranejhutchins, atm i can swtich between them. but if gdm is one time stoped i can't go back
20:06.43cranejhutchins, but even if i can switch between them it doesn't mean that i have a login promt :/
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20:07.31Jannijhutchins: I seem to vaguely remember that the system scripts looked into user-directories, but I might be wrong.
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20:10.57InSighter<<<< www.TheShowBay.tv - Watch all shows for free! >>>>
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20:13.53cnzhttp://i.imgur.com/4CbQ4Uo.jpg LOL
20:14.03jhutchinscrane: Have you change anything with regard to the boot system, inittab, etc?
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20:14.30cranejhutchins, actually yes... i removed the property nvidia driver
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20:36.05cnzlooks like that guy knk didn't stay long
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20:40.08jhutchinscrane: It doesn't seem to me like a video driver should be causing this behavior, but I suppose it's possible something got missed in the clean-up.  I would suggest going through the wiki about how to remove the proprietary drivers again and look for anything you missed.
20:40.19jhutchinscrane: If you boot to rescue mode, do you get consoles then?
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20:40.51cranejhutchins, let me try this
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20:44.06Sylvester23Hi! How to downgrade kernel and kernel headers to 3.11?
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20:57.34Eduard_MunteanuHow does Debian build install cds? Can I do it myself from scratch?
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20:59.13Eduard_MunteanuNevermind, I found something.
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21:06.41malin__Hi, i have a question. How "out-dated" is debian stable? I stand in a crossroad of installing new distro and standing between Arch and Debian
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21:06.46malin__Can someone help me decide?
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21:07.40phoggmalin__: a better question is: how much out-of-dateness can you cope with and in which packages?
21:07.48centrxmalin__, The current version of stable was released in May, 2013
21:07.58mtnmalin__: http://packages.debian.org and the arch packages search engine should help you
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21:08.15phoggmalin__: if you intend to upgrade when the next stable is released then you'll never be very far behind arch; perhaps a year for some things, more for a few.
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21:08.47centrxmalin__, You can also use Debian testing, which might be as or more stable than Arch
21:08.59phoggmalin__: it only matters if you really need the newer versions more quickly and if you can't get them via backports.
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21:10.35malin__Hmm
21:11.08malin__Thanks for your input, what is "debian.standard.iso" compared to the other flavours?
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21:13.36Sylvester23Yea! ladies and gentlemens...
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21:14.29Sylvester23My wifi is works... Why? I enable bluetooh in UEFI ;) (this is dualband card bluetooh support and wifi)
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21:15.57centrxmalin__, What is "debian.standard.iso" ?
21:16.08centrxSylvester23, Good to know :)
21:16.20malin__centrx: yea, when i chose which flavour to download there is like kde,gnome,xfce etc
21:16.23malin__and "standard"
21:16.32centrxLink?
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21:17.26jhutchinsmalin__: We usually recommend the netinstall iso, that way you only download what you choose to install.
21:18.01jhutchinsmalin__: I believe standard defaults to a gnome3 desktop.   Othere desktops can be installed simultaneously.
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21:18.28str3is codeblocks testing bricked?
21:18.48Plinker_that could be kde, gnome or xfce
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21:19.44malin__jhutchins: ah ok thanks
21:20.16malin__jhutchins: will "stable" release be a rolling one? im sick of reinstalling when i new version comes out of *buntus
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21:21.41centrxmalin__, stable is not a rolling release, but you do not need to re-install either (I doubt you do on Ubuntu either so not sure what you mean by that..."
21:22.38malin__On ubuntu it is not recommended to update distro, ie when nr 14 comes out now
21:22.55str3Plinker_: xfce
21:23.05malin__w
21:23.31str3since it updated to 13.12 it crashes all the time
21:23.43str3i checked and couldnt find a bug report
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21:26.16Plinker_str3: thanks
21:26.32centrxmalin__, That is surprising
21:26.57centrxmalin__, In any event, upgrades are straightforward in Debian
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21:28.27str3Plinker_: np. i think someone else has similar issues, filed a couple hours ago http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736368
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21:34.24dizzylizzyI wish jigdo were more widely used
21:34.31dizzylizzyi should try to resurrect the project
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21:40.47visceraAm I outta luck if I want a newer X.Org in Wheezy and I don't wanna build/package it all myself?
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21:41.37Jipis there any timeframe planed when mesa 10.0.1 come into sid?
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21:42.29centrxviscera, There could be an unsupported backport package somewhere
21:42.40centrxviscera, What is in the newer X that you want?
21:43.38centrxJip, It looks like it was added to experimental in December: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mesa.html
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21:56.12N4Y_webchathi, i just noticed something odd on my system
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21:57.32N4Y_webchatsuggestions about how to fix?
21:57.49N4Y_webchatjust `rm /var/spool/mail&&mkdir /var/spool/mail`?
21:58.36Jipcentrx: yes I have seen that. But do you know when it gets added to sid? Seems like it is stuck because of the auto-libunwind transition
21:59.01centrxN4Y_webchat, Sounds reasonable. FYI on my system, it is /var/mail that is the "real" directory
21:59.18petemcN4Y_webchat: who says its broken?
21:59.33N4Y_webchatpetemc: e.g. postfix
21:59.38N4Y_webchatand other stuff
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21:59.44centrxI assume you mean they each link to the other, and there is no real directory among them
21:59.48N4Y_webchatit can't be normal that they are symlinks to eachother
21:59.49N4Y_webchatyes
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22:00.56centrxand they are both listed in red if you use ls --color=auto
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22:01.24centrxgotta go!
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22:06.23jhutchinsN4Y_webchat: What specific errors do you get?
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22:07.31N4Y_webchatJan 22 22:38:08 pollux postfix/local[25227]: 4A4FA1281C7A: to=<mail@w.tf-w.tf>, relay=local, delay=2.6, delays=2.6/0/0/0.03, dsn=5.2.0, status=bounced (cannot update mailbox /var/mail/mail for user mail. unable to create lock file /var/mail/mail.lock: Too many levels of symbolic links)
22:07.41N4Y_webchatjhutchins: ^
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22:08.15jhutchinsN4Y_webchat: How did you get here?  Which release are you running?  Did you have a different MTA installed prior to postfix?
22:08.15agentbobhas anyone here ever run into an issue with java that.. after updating a server from debian6 -> 7(or kernel 2.6 -> 3.12), load jumps up by 40x even when cpu idle, iterrupts, iowait/etc stay the same?
22:08.17N4Y_webchatpostconf tells me "mail_spool_directory = /var/mail"
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22:08.45N4Y_webchatjhutchins: i'm not actually using /var/mail for anything, i'm using /var/vmail for my mails
22:08.57N4Y_webchati probably had a different MTA for a short time
22:09.11N4Y_webchatthe default thingy
22:09.13N4Y_webchatexim i think
22:09.18N4Y_webchatand i'm on wheezy
22:10.36ws2k3Hello
22:10.39jhutchinsN4Y_webchat: On a lenny system with postfix, /var/mail is drwxrwsr-x  2 root     mail, and /var/spool/mail is a link to ../mail
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22:10.57jhutchinsN4Y_webchat: If you were to recreate that, postfix would probably accept it.
22:11.04N4Y_webchatjhutchins: never had a lenny
22:11.05ws2k3My debian server just went offline, so i rebooted and checked the syslog i have some odd raid errors http://pastebin.com/e1kzJwj7 Anyone know what this could mean ?
22:11.10N4Y_webchatit was a fresh wheezy install
22:11.24N4Y_webchatjust the config was copied from an old server which was upgraded from squeeze to wheezy before
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22:11.49N4Y_webchati'll try recreating that though
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22:11.57nkuttlerws2k3: "kernel: md2: unknown partition table" looks kinda catastrophic
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22:13.40ws2k3nkuttler lucky it was my os disk and not my data disk but i rebooted and i'm the server just fine now
22:13.56nkuttlerws2k3: but it looks like the drive was mounted in the end?
22:13.57ws2k3only md2 is the raid of my OS doesnt seem to be working
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22:14.06nkuttleryeah, was just going to say, looks fine othewise
22:14.08ws2k3well...... not sure about that
22:14.43ws2k3http://pastebin.com/ZMyHZeNH
22:14.48ws2k3that looks a little bit odd
22:14.58nkuttlerbut it looks very strange to me. partition table not recognized, but happily fscks the device..
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22:15.25ws2k3also md2 is not mounted at this moment
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22:16.15jhutchinsws2k3: please use paste.debian.net - pastebin.com is blocked by webfilters becaus it's full of malware.
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22:16.52ws2k3http://paste.debian.net/77912/
22:17.00ws2k3ofcrouse np jholden_
22:17.09ws2k3ofcrouse np jhutchins
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22:19.01ws2k3so it lookt like i'm not booted from md2
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22:25.10wols_ws2k3: just cause it's /dev/root doesn't mean it's not /dev/md2
22:25.12visceracentrx, adobe flash seems to run smoother on newer xorgs
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22:25.59ws2k3wols_ i tryed fsck /dev/md2 and it says device is mounted
22:26.07viscerathat was like my only showstopper issue with wheezy but it's pretty important to me as i'm a flash video junkie
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22:26.14wols_ws2k3: exactly
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22:26.24ws2k3so it all looks good now
22:26.31ws2k3i still dont understand what exacly happened
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22:29.36marioxcc__hello
22:29.46marioxcc__how can I tunnel a 6in4 tunnel itself through a OpenVPN tunnel?
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22:34.46marioxcc__Is there a way to route a 6in4 tunnel itself through a OpenVPN tunnel?
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22:38.23centrxmarienz, There must be
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22:43.18marioxcc__how can I tunnel a 6in4 tunnel throug a OpenVPN tunnelP
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22:44.56mtnmarioxcc__: didn't you try google first?
22:45.10marioxcc__mtn: I don't use google, but I searched for it already
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22:45.31mtnmarioxcc__: too bad you didn't use google, looks like lots of hits that would answer your question
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22:46.22marioxcc__mtn: startpage returns things about ipv6 and VPN, but not what I want
22:46.28marioxcc__you're not being helpful either
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22:53.27AnimalFarmPigHi, I'm working on a kiosk type machine, and I want to start X under a limited user account at boot time. I have the following line in rc.local--
22:53.34AnimalFarmPigsu user -l -s /bin/bash -c startx
22:53.42AnimalFarmPigworks if I invoke that line from shell as root
22:53.49AnimalFarmPigdoesn't work on boot-up
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22:54.35AnimalFarmPigerr... works if I invoke it like this-- "root@Lunokhod:~# /etc/rc.local"
22:55.17AnimalFarmPigI know I've managed to make something similar work while at a previous employer, and I'm probably just missing something simple, but I don't remember what...
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22:59.06rwpAnimalFarmPig, I have had better luck setting up kiosk mode using lightdm. Want to try it?
22:59.19AnimalFarmPigrwp, sure
22:59.25rgrdid you add the user to Xwrapper.config?
22:59.31AnimalFarmPigoh
22:59.33AnimalFarmPigno
22:59.39rgr/etc/X11
22:59.42rgrmight help.
22:59.43rwpAnimalFarmPig, In lightdm set [SeatDefaults] autologin-user=rwp with your user and it will automatically log in with kiosk mode.
22:59.53rwpAnimalFarmPig, In /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf file.
23:00.06rgrAlso look at the start up . if you have an .xsession file that can be used to hiccup the resp.
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23:00.23AnimalFarmPigworks fine if I login as that user and and startx
23:00.29AnimalFarmPigor invoke the pasted line as root
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23:00.37rgre.g I use a "default" login from gdm3 which results in xsession benig execd and I just run an xterm in tmux.
23:00.40AnimalFarmPigI'll check out lightdm, seems like an easy way to do it
23:00.44rwpSure because then PAM and everything has been run.
23:01.03rwpBut at /etc/rc.login time I believe more needs to be done to set things up than just su -l username.
23:01.39rwpIIRC that one config entry is the only thing I needed to set it up.
23:02.12rwpI had previously used gdm and gdm3 but then GNOME dropped support for my hardware and abandoned me and I had to find an alternative.
23:02.14AnimalFarmPigthis is a pretty minimal install. Pretty much I'm just running chromium in kiosk mode. Hate to install more than is needed
23:02.49rwpI think lightdm should work out for you.  It is light after all. <chuckle/>
23:02.54AnimalFarmPig:D
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23:03.50rwpAnd when I say the config above, it is in ini file format.  So to be clear place autologin-user=rwp (with your username not mine) in the [SeatDefaults] section.
23:04.30AnimalFarmPigI'm trying a quick update of Xwrapper.config first. If that doesn't work, looks like it's lightdm
23:05.36rwpIt looks like it would need "anybody" there.  Probably "console" is what is killing you now.
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23:05.41AnimalFarmPigHey! Updating Xwrapper.config to anybody worked!
23:05.43AnimalFarmPigyeah
23:05.53rwpThere you go then.
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23:06.00AnimalFarmPigthanks much for the help
23:06.05rwpHave fun!
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23:08.36rgrblush... thanks for the thanks...
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23:09.53Dry_LipsHi... I'm trying to install Spotify on Wheezy... I followed this tutorial, http://wiki.debianforum.de/Spotify#64_Bit   but I'm still having an unmet dependency: libnspr4-0d   Any ideas?
23:12.58rgris it in wheezy?
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23:13.07rgrits in testing.
23:13.24rgrand there appears to be a backport
23:13.29wols_rgr: it's closed source afaik. it can't be in anything, can it?
23:13.57rgrhttp://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
23:14.16rgrwell its in my jessie.
23:14.29rgrhttp://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/libnspr4-0d
23:14.30wols_rgr: non-free?
23:14.40rgrno idea and dont personally care .
23:15.10rgrin fact I have the 64 bit and :386 installed I see.
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23:15.53abrotmanjudd: versions libnspr4-0d
23:15.54juddPackage: libnspr4-0d on i386 -- squeeze: 4.8.6-1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 4.8.6-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 4.8.6-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2:4.9.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:4.9.2-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2:4.9.2-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2:4.9.2-1+deb7u1; jessie: 2:4.10.2-1; sid: 2:4.10.2-1
23:15.58abrotmanit's clearly in wheezy
23:16.12abrotmanjudd: info libnspr4-0d
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23:17.10hfpHi, I would like to install the ZNC package. The one from the repo is version 0.2 and the testing version is 1.2. I'm confused how to tell aptitude I want to install from the testing branch for this package only. I tried aptitude install znc -t testing and aptitude install znc/testing to no avail. Any pointers?
23:18.11hfpj/msg judd versions znc
23:18.22juddAn error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:18.24hfpcrap
23:18.31hfpjudd: versions znc
23:18.33juddPackage: znc on i386 -- squeeze: 0.092-3; wheezy: 0.206-2; jessie: 1.2-3; sid: 1.2-3
23:18.47wols_hfp: you cannot. you either create your own backport /msg dpkg ssb or you go without
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23:19.16wols_hfp: if you install packages from testing to your stable debian you get a frankendebian. and we will not help you with the problems you will get for certain if you go that route
23:19.41hfpwols_: I see. So my only option would be to get the source and compile it?
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23:19.53wols_hfp: /msg dpkg ssb
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23:23.40hfpwols_: I did msg dpkg. It says to check if there is a backport, which there is under sid (unstable). dpkg doesn't say what to do if a backport exists.
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23:24.07mdimhow do I push changes in /etc/default/locale to GNOME?
23:24.29mdime.g. I've changed the first day of week seting in the file, but GNOME hasn't picked it up
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23:27.47wols_hfp: if it's in sid, it' snot a backport obviously
23:27.54wols_backports are in the backports repo
23:28.10wols_,kernels
23:28.11juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.8-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.6-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4)
23:28.18Dry_Lipsjudd & abrotman: regarding libnspr4-0d http://pastebin.com/6Gq9Z0F4
23:28.30wols_see how there is a wheezy kernel backport from sid?
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23:29.41hfpwols_: I see, thanks. So no backports for znc
23:29.46abrotmanfrom jessie technically ..
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23:30.14abrotmanDry_Lips: use aptitude
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23:35.04Dry_Lipshfp: regarding znc... I used this tutorial with success: https://shellfish.io/tutorial/1/how-to-install-znc-on-debian-7/
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23:35.52hfpDry_Lips: Thanks
23:36.01Dry_Lipsnp
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23:49.54freebirD2you guys, I've an Intel  core, I3, 3240, and I've installed debian-7.3.0-ia64-CD.iso and I've got a Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 kernel, is that ok ????
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23:50.13freebirD2shouldn't be an Intel kernel ?
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23:50.59mdimhow do I change the first day of the week for my locale? There are instructions on what files need to be changed at https://wiki.debian.org/Locale , but I don't see how to make GNOME aware of the changes
23:51.29quinsoHello. Is there a more handy way to merge config files when upgrading packages than the default apt-get way? In gentoo there are cfg-update, conf-dispath and etc-update. Is there something like that in debian?
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23:52.30abrotmanfreebirD2: ia64 isn't for you
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23:52.55freebirD2which one is the correct one for me man ?? abrotman
23:52.59abrotmanquinso: we do'nt know what those tools do, you may want to tell us more
23:53.08abrotmanfreebirD2: the amd64 ISO, ia64 is for Itanium
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23:54.16freebirD2abrotman, tks a lot, take a look to this link http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64
23:54.28freebirD2The Linux kernel 3.2 and modules for use on PCs with AMD64, Intel 64 or VIA Nano processors.
23:54.29abrotmanand what?
23:54.39freebirD2isn't mine intel 64 ?
23:54.41abrotmanfreebirD2: none of those say IA64, thank you
23:54.54abrotmanfreebirD2: if you want to keep arguing, that's fine .. I'm sure someone else can help you
23:55.03freebirD2abrotman, no man, just wondering
23:55.12freebirD2I believe you, already downloading
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23:55.17abrotmanI've corrected you already, ia64 is not for you
23:55.20quinsoabrotman: in gentoo when upgrading packages the package manager doesn't instantly prompt you to diff and merge configs. Instead it leaves a message and a list of files you need to merge. So here come a few tools to do that - for example cfg-update. For each config file which doesn't differ from what was installed with the package it is updated automatically, for each modified you do it manually, you can set up diff tool and other stuff.
23:55.21centrxfreebirD2, It is a misleading name
23:55.32freebirD2tks a lot
23:55.37quinsoabrotman: and also cfg-update creates backups of previous configs
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23:56.18abrotmanquinso: you might be able to changed the question priority
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23:56.41quinsoabrotman: what?
23:58.02Dry_Lipsabrotman: once more regarding libnspr4-0d http://pastebin.com/U3DQSuHx
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