| 00:00.58 | abrotman | Dry_Lips: aptitude -f install |
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| 00:01.55 | Dry_Lips | okay, I'll try that... I've got a couple of backports installed, would that be the reason why I initially couldn't install it? |
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| 00:23.25 | quinso | Some time ago with some updates I started getting graphical artifacts in KDE. Sometimes (rarely and randomly) when I rightclick something to bring up a context menu, it appears completely black rectangled without anything on it. Also there is this thing - if you bring a window to the edge of the screen, it will want to take up that half of the screen so there should appear a rectangle indicating how much space it'll take. For me there appears a |
| 00:24.21 | quinso | Or should I go with this to #debian-next because I am on jessie? |
| 00:24.37 | ChibaPet | quinso: Also consider #kde |
| 00:25.02 | ScottE | quinso: sounds like a video driver issue to me |
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| 00:25.41 | quinso | ScottE: and what would I do about it? |
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| 00:26.47 | ScottE | quinso: if you have the option, you could try another driver. Or try another DE/WM to factor out KDE instead |
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| 00:42.03 | mauww | f*ck can sb help me. i compiled and installed a new program but when i run build-info on the program i still get the old specs |
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| 00:43.08 | movic | hi guys |
| 00:43.09 | abrotman | !vague |
| 00:43.10 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms. |
| 00:44.26 | centrx | How did it know!? |
| 00:44.39 | M4dH4TT3r | hey dpkg |
| 00:44.49 | M4dH4TT3r | just the package i wanted to see |
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| 00:45.21 | M4dH4TT3r | question: how to install dpkg + apt on deb? |
| 00:45.47 | centrx | M4dH4TT3r, Those are essential base packages.../ |
| 00:45.53 | centrx | M4dH4TT3r, They should already be installed...? |
| 00:45.54 | movic | I have one little problem with debian. Im creating new user which is added to ssh group, but i can't login via ssh |
| 00:46.03 | M4dH4TT3r | is DSL img and is lacking them |
| 00:46.19 | M4dH4TT3r | DSL = Damn Small Linux |
| 00:46.21 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: then ask their channel, not us. We support Debian here, not DSL |
| 00:46.24 | centrx | M4dH4TT3r, Damn Small Linux is not Debian? |
| 00:46.35 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: try #damnsmalllinux please |
| 00:46.40 | M4dH4TT3r | yes DSL is debian |
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| 00:46.57 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: use #damnsmalllinux, DSL is NOT Debian, have a nice day |
| 00:47.59 | centrx | movic, Have you installed openssh-server ? |
| 00:48.37 | movic | yup, normally i'm loging in with root or admin user |
| 00:48.42 | movic | but i want to creat user only for irc |
| 00:49.35 | movic | i'm also reloading ssh service after useradd |
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| 00:50.59 | centrx | movic, What happens when you try to login with that user |
| 00:51.28 | movic | centrx: permission denied |
| 00:52.09 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 00:52.28 | ShapeShifter499 | How can I assign two different key commands to the same event? |
| 00:52.34 | ShapeShifter499 | in Gnome3? |
| 00:52.57 | movic | centrx: I thought it will be easy thing, but i'm stuck. |
| 00:53.04 | centrx | movic, Could it be an incorrect password? |
| 00:53.16 | ShapeShifter499 | I ask this because I have a bluetooth headset and I can't seem to set the media keys on my keyboard to the same action as the media keys on my bluetooth headset |
| 00:53.30 | centrx | movic, It should just work. Was it the Debian package of openssh-server that you installed? |
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| 00:55.13 | movic | centrx: yes, this is dedicated server which i use in company |
| 00:55.35 | movic | centrx: everything is working perfect, and so simple thing like adding new user making such a problem |
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| 00:56.04 | riceandbeans | in ntp.conf, is iburst necessary? |
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| 00:56.53 | centrx | movic, Check sshd_config if it is using the AllowUsers option? |
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| 00:57.26 | centrx | movic, Or AllowGroups and ssh is not a group that it allows? |
| 00:58.29 | centrx | ShapeShifter499, Try #gnome ? |
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| 00:59.46 | andrej | what's the proper way of getting GPG keys for repos onto machines hiding on a private network that fetch their packages via apt-cacher-ng? Been looking for 2 days w/o much success |
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| 01:01.10 | centrx | andrej, Private courier carrying floppy disk ? |
| 01:01.36 | andrej | heh |
| 01:02.19 | andrej | not acceptable - the 16 machines are physically spread across the country, tucked away in different data centres:) |
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| 01:03.30 | movic2 | yeah, its working |
| 01:03.55 | movic2 | centrx: you were right |
| 01:04.28 | movic2 | centrx: it was about sshd_config |
| 01:04.28 | ShapeShifter499 | centrx, oh alright, thanks |
| 01:04.41 | centrx | movic, Great! |
| 01:05.35 | movic2 | centrx: i thougth adduser command add allowuser entry in config file |
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| 01:05.44 | movic2 | cetrx: thanks for help. |
| 01:05.57 | centrx | You are welcome |
| 01:07.30 | centrx | riceandbeans, It sounds like iburst speeds up the synch |
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| 01:09.46 | donvito | anyone knows why pcscd is unstable in debian? |
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| 01:12.32 | daemonkeeper | unstable refers to the suite, not to the state of a package. |
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| 01:13.13 | donvito | well everyhour my pcsc card reader must be restarted |
| 01:13.28 | daemonkeeper | Ah, that's another problem then. |
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| 01:19.00 | mauww | f*ck can sb help me. i compiled and installed a new program but when i run build-info on the program i still get the old specs |
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| 01:20.07 | mauww | IF i ./configure,make, install a new program and i already hav this program in bin doesnt it replace the old bin? |
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| 01:22.58 | tharkun | mauww: Take a look at the makefile. It depends on what the author of it wrote. |
| 01:23.17 | tharkun | !u |
| 01:23.17 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 01:29.02 | mauww | man its ridiculous |
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| 01:31.46 | donvito | !k |
| 01:31.46 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 01:32.01 | donvito | !s |
| 01:32.01 | dpkg | well, s is a lot of things. It used to say .s is for ASM files, btw :D |
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| 01:32.07 | donvito | :) |
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| 01:42.47 | crane | can someone tell me how to disable vsync buffers with a radeon card? i want to give it a try with the opensource drivers before i start to install property drivers |
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| 01:46.49 | VIT-14 | bluegriffon someone knows how to install it |
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| 01:47.33 | abrotman | wtf .. |
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| 01:49.04 | VIT-14 | somebody knows how to install this program |
| 01:49.22 | riceandbeans | VIT-14: what program? |
| 01:50.00 | abrotman | VIT-14: please only ask one network |
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| 01:51.33 | VIT-14 | abrotman blurgriffon |
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| 01:53.25 | abrotman | VIT-14: ONE NETWORK |
| 01:54.58 | VIT-14 | debian |
| 01:55.15 | VIT-14 | sorry what are you say me |
| 01:55.29 | abrotman | !ES |
| 01:55.29 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 01:56.07 | VIT-14 | gracias |
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| 01:56.59 | DeeEff | hey #debian, does anyone in here know anything about the guile-pg package? I seem to be having troubles getting it to work in guile-2.0 |
| 01:57.18 | DeeEff | specifically, it segfaults when I try to call (use-modules (database postgres)) |
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| 02:00.19 | pipeep | So I've got one of those stupid oversold unmetered bandwidth OpenVZ VPSes. It doesn't have much of a RAM allocation, but I'm running Tor on it. My problem is that it periodically gets killed by the OOM killer (every few days). Is there a simple way to reboot on OOM? |
| 02:00.59 | pipeep | I found this: https://kura.io/2011/10/25/rebooting-on-oom/ but it requires triggering a kernel panic, so that's not going to work on OpenVZ |
| 02:01.15 | n0arch | cronjob? |
| 02:01.18 | koollman | pipeep: I guess only tor gets killed, right ? |
| 02:01.23 | nicetry | Hi there - a coworker of mine wrote a script that grabs certain data from a database and brings it over to my VM via rsync. Thats great, but it means I have to be constantly monitoring a 2 and half hour session - waiting for rsync to say "Enter passphrase for key _______" and if you miss one of those for even just a little bit - the connection will fail. I don't want to spend time figuring out this dudes script/improving it - my que |
| 02:01.25 | nicetry | Is it possible to put in the passphrase for a key ONCE and have rsync never ask me again for the length of my session? |
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| 02:01.33 | pipeep | koollman, yeah, if I could restart just that, it would work too. |
| 02:01.33 | abrotman | pipeep: use runit or monit? |
| 02:01.34 | koollman | pipeep: I would put a cron job checking tor' status, and starting it if needed |
| 02:01.40 | pipeep | Tor is pretty much all I'm running |
| 02:01.43 | abrotman | pipeep: or just a cron job that checks every minute for tor? |
| 02:01.47 | n0arch | nicetry: use SSH keys |
| 02:01.54 | pipeep | abrotman, I might do that, I just feel like there should be an easier option. |
| 02:02.09 | pipeep | Maybe cron is ideal |
| 02:02.35 | nicetry | n0arch: I am, but the key requires a passphrase |
| 02:02.36 | koollman | you need something that does not add another daemon and works without any kernel access. |
| 02:02.46 | koollman | cron is probably the easiest choice |
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| 02:03.04 | abrotman | pipeep: i suggested two others |
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| 02:03.16 | koollman | on a non-vps server I would tweak java start parameters, and the oom ones too |
| 02:03.35 | kruug | I'm trying to run `eject cdrom` but I keep getting the error: `Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 02:03.37 | kruug | ` |
| 02:03.44 | koollman | oh. I just remembered a classic way to keep a service alive, too ... put it in inittab :) |
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| 02:04.33 | abrotman | kruug: /dev/cdrom is a symlnk |
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| 02:04.39 | pipeep | koollman, nice! |
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| 02:05.16 | n0arch | nicetry: you can put the password to the server into a file and use the rsync --password-file option or the env car RSYNC_PASSWORD |
| 02:05.23 | kruug | abrotman: ok? I've run this command before and it's worked... |
| 02:05.26 | n0arch | env var* |
| 02:05.32 | abrotman | kruug: maybe it's locked |
| 02:07.08 | nicetry | n0arch: will that work for a passphrase for an ssh key? |
| 02:07.26 | n0arch | not sure about the ssh key |
| 02:07.32 | n0arch | probably not |
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| 02:07.53 | nicetry | n0arch: that's what I'm trying to figure out - I want to sign the key once, and then all future rsync calls just .... work |
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| 02:08.14 | nicetry | n0arch: like pageant for windows |
| 02:10.01 | kruug | abrotman: it appears to not be locked |
| 02:10.06 | kruug | using fuser |
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| 02:10.49 | Tramp | nicetry: sounds like you want ssh-agent |
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| 02:11.54 | pipeep | koollman, hopefully this works. |
| 02:12.01 | pipeep | feels dirty |
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| 02:12.45 | riceandbeans | would changing the driftfile location in debian break anything? |
| 02:12.51 | riceandbeans | ntp driftfile |
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| 02:14.12 | kruug | abrotman: got it...whatever `file /dev/sr0` and `sudo eject -i off` does, that fixed it! |
| 02:14.14 | nicetry | Tramp: I thought so too, its running, but when I do 'ssh-add' it says "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent." |
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| 02:15.33 | Tramp | nicetry: what gives: echo $SSH_AUTH_SOCK |
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| 02:16.26 | nicetry | Tramp: nothing |
| 02:16.49 | abrotman | I said it was a symlink .. |
| 02:16.57 | abrotman | riceandbeans: why would you want to? |
| 02:16.58 | Tramp | nicetry: then the ssh-agent you are referring to was spawned from a process which is not a parent (or grandparent etc) of your current session. |
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| 02:18.42 | nickenchuggets | Is it okay to ask lighttpd questions here? |
| 02:18.45 | nicetry | Tramp: I am in a tmux session, maybe thats the issue? |
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| 02:19.10 | nickenchuggets | I am using Debian... if that counts. |
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| 02:19.28 | Tramp | nicetry: maybe. try: eval $(ssh-agent) - then try the echo ... again, then try ssh-add again |
| 02:20.18 | nicetry | Tramp: hey I got it! |
| 02:20.19 | nicetry | thanks |
| 02:20.23 | Tramp | nicetry: if this works, fix your setup so that ssh-agent is spawned correctly. Maybe tmux cleans ("sanitzes...") the environment. Check the docs |
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| 02:20.40 | Tramp | welcome |
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| 02:21.39 | Tramp | nicetry: and now check also, that an rsync works correctly without specifiying the pw again (i.e. that the key can be retrieved from the agent) |
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| 02:22.09 | Tramp | nicetry: then check the script to make sure, it does not "sanitize" the environment itself ... |
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| 02:22.44 | pipeep | koollman, it looks like it's going to be a bit tricky to do with an inittab, because the init script sets up some control stuff that's needed to drop privs, and I don't want to run the daemon as root. |
| 02:22.52 | nicetry | Tramp: will do |
| 02:22.54 | pipeep | Imma go eat and then come back to this problem |
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| 02:23.12 | nicetry | Tramp: thanks for getting me around this headache, I just couldn't figure out the whole parent/grandparent thing |
| 02:23.12 | abrotman | i gave him two actual answers .. |
| 02:23.27 | Tramp | nicetry: np. you're welcome. |
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| 02:37.48 | riceandbeans | abrotman: laziness in tailoring configuration management |
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| 02:41.48 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 02:47.59 | anonnumberanon | What is iceape? |
| 02:48.20 | dvs | !iceape |
| 02:48.21 | dpkg | The Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded <SeaMonkey> Internet Suite suitable for free distribution. The SeaMonkey Internet Suite is a set of Internet oriented applications. It is the continuity of the Mozilla Application Suite after it has been abandoned in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird. |
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| 02:49.26 | riceandbeans | abrotman: on a different note, can you help me with one line of perl I'm stuck on at the moment |
| 02:49.29 | riceandbeans | http://pastebin.com/CGYP6JV8 |
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| 02:57.48 | jordanm | riceandbeans: why are you stuck on that? what's the problem? |
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| 03:02.06 | riceandbeans | jordanm: it gives me an error |
| 03:02.18 | riceandbeans | Cannot bind a reference |
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| 03:02.59 | [CamO] | Hi! I hve a problem with apt-get: |
| 03:03.00 | [CamO] | After this operation, 148 kB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 03:03.00 | [CamO] | dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 4274 package 'php5-gd': |
| 03:03.00 | [CamO] | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.01 | [CamO] | dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 4284 package 'php5-gd': |
| 03:03.01 | [CamO] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:03.01 | dpkg | [camo]: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 03:03.36 | carrera | greetins! :) |
| 03:03.47 | jordanm | riceandbeans: that doesn't sound like the exact error |
| 03:03.55 | centrx | Ahoy |
| 03:04.05 | riceandbeans | jordanm: that is the output |
| 03:04.30 | carrera | Debian Jessie hangs at least once or twice a day on me. Any ideas as to why? |
| 03:04.36 | centrx | [CamO], Are you using unstable? |
| 03:04.47 | centrx | carrera, Sounds like driver issues, maybe graphics drivers |
| 03:05.10 | centrx | carrera, Are you up-to-date on the testing branch? |
| 03:05.39 | carrera | centrx, could be. I'm using NVIDIA 319.76 |
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| 03:06.16 | centrx | carrera, Were these installed using the Debian package from the contrib repository? |
| 03:06.26 | [CamO] | centrx : No |
| 03:06.37 | centrx | carrera, or non-free rather |
| 03:07.37 | centrx | [CamO], Did you install a third-party package not in the Debian repository? |
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| 03:07.46 | [CamO] | no |
| 03:08.02 | [CamO] | I stand with what I can get using apt-get... |
| 03:08.14 | [CamO] | I also did not changed the sources list |
| 03:08.48 | abrotman | quebecois? |
| 03:08.55 | [CamO] | For your information I am using Wheezy |
| 03:08.59 | [CamO] | Oui |
| 03:09.03 | abrotman | did you try to use the dotdeb packages? |
| 03:09.06 | dvs | riceandbeans: ${DBI::errstr} ? Just a guess. |
| 03:09.45 | [CamO] | abrotman : Do you mean to download the package and install it manually |
| 03:09.51 | abrotman | uhm, no |
| 03:10.13 | abrotman | [CamO]: can you open that file and show us those lines, and hte lines around them ? |
| 03:10.27 | centrx | In pastebin... |
| 03:10.47 | abrotman | paste.debian.net adctually |
| 03:11.34 | carrera | centrx, I guess there are no update notifications on Debian (I just started using Debian XFCE after 8 years of Ubuntu and Xubuntu) so I ran apt-get update a few days ago. Is that the best way to update? |
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| 03:12.24 | AlexLikeRock | how to avoid "you must choose a longer password " ? |
| 03:12.31 | AlexLikeRock | passwd user |
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| 03:12.43 | centrx | carrera, There are ways to get update notifications, but for testing there are usually several updates every day, you may not want to get messages every day or upgrade every day |
| 03:13.03 | [CamO] | http://paste.debian.net/77925/ |
| 03:13.07 | centrx | carrera, apt-get update only updates the listing packages that are available, it does not upgrade any software |
| 03:13.13 | centrx | listing of packages |
| 03:13.40 | carrera | centrx, thank you sir. So should I run apt-get upgrade? |
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| 03:14.29 | centrx | carrera, aptitude is the most common front-end package manager (I use dselect). These are front-ends to apt. |
| 03:14.38 | abrotman | AlexLikeRock: probably /etc/login.defs |
| 03:14.45 | centrx | carrera, The command-line yes would be apt-get upgrade, generally: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 03:14.55 | abrotman | why is that whole file full of crappy characters? |
| 03:15.01 | AlexLikeRock | abrotman, i doit , |
| 03:15.04 | AlexLikeRock | su |
| 03:15.05 | centrx | carrera, If you have not upgraded in a long time or if there is some complicated thing happening, you may need to do: apt-get dist-upgrade instead of apt-get upgrade |
| 03:15.09 | AlexLikeRock | passwd user |
| 03:15.26 | abrotman | ... |
| 03:15.35 | centrx | carrera, But the tools like aptitude have better dependency resolution and show a listing |
| 03:15.38 | Roenie | file managers I've used on linux have always sucked compared to say total commander/windows commander and it's always a pain in the butt to get files to open in the applications I want, they usually don't automatically associate and if they do it's cumbersome to change the defaults. Is there yet a file manager that solves this? |
| 03:15.40 | AlexLikeRock | its stupid forceme to a longer |
| 03:15.43 | AlexLikeRock | pass |
| 03:16.00 | carrera | centrx, wonderful, you answered my next question too. So should I be using aptitude instead of apt-get. It makes searching easier too. As I would have to issue apt-cache search... |
| 03:16.01 | [CamO] | abrotman : No idea... It's like that :/ |
| 03:16.31 | centrx | carrera, Yes, aptitude is the "standard". |
| 03:17.25 | carrera | centrx, thanks. Then why do most web pages use apt-get install? |
| 03:17.40 | jordanm | centrx: aptitude hasn't had better dependency resolution since lenny |
| 03:17.41 | Arrowmaster | they dont know any better |
| 03:17.52 | jordanm | there ars ome cases it comes up with better solutions, but generally not these days |
| 03:17.56 | centrx | carrera, If you are installing one package, it is the straightforward way to do it and it has no downside |
| 03:18.04 | Roenie | (no is a valid answer) |
| 03:18.05 | AlexLikeRock | abrotman, cool file tanks , are interesting |
| 03:18.10 | carrera | centrx, oh, ok |
| 03:18.11 | centrx | jordanm, oh! Okay |
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| 03:18.35 | centrx | carrera, and everyone has apt-get whereas some people do not use aptitude |
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| 03:19.12 | centrx | jordanm, I am sticking with dselect :) |
| 03:19.24 | carrera | btw, is ok not Okay on this channel? How about "u"? |
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| 03:20.32 | [CamO] | abrotman : Any idea ? |
| 03:20.53 | abrotman | [CamO]: look in /var/backups/ |
| 03:21.03 | centrx | carrera, It is certainly best to be legible, and likely to get you the best help |
| 03:21.17 | carrera | centrx, so what's the equivalent of "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" using aptitude? |
| 03:21.20 | centrx | carrera, "ok" is an old abbreviation from before the Internet, not text-speak |
| 03:21.28 | centrx | So I would classify that differenlty |
| 03:21.33 | jordanm | carrera: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade |
| 03:22.03 | [CamO] | abrotman : Ok... couples of files there |
| 03:22.43 | [CamO] | apt.extended_states.0 apt.extended_states.2.gz dpkg.status.0 dpkg.status.2.gz dpkg.status.4.gz gshadow.bak shadow.bak |
| 03:22.43 | [CamO] | apt.extended_states.1.gz aptitude.pkgstates.0 dpkg.status.1.gz dpkg.status.3.gz group.bak passwd.bak |
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| 03:23.43 | centrx | Wed Sep 7449 22:23:34 EST 1993 |
| 03:23.52 | abrotman | dpkg: tell [CamO] about available |
| 03:24.18 | wed | What? |
| 03:24.19 | carrera | centrx, jordanm, thanks. Why not aptitude update && aptitude upgrade? |
| 03:25.20 | centrx | carrera, The && waits until the first command finishes successfully before running the second command |
| 03:25.32 | centrx | carrera, I would say use the && but it is possible with aptitude it does not make a difference |
| 03:25.45 | carrera | centrx, jordanm, I needed 74 MB of new stuff!!! |
| 03:25.53 | centrx | *gasp* |
| 03:26.01 | [CamO] | abrotman : If dpkg need to talk to me in private re-do it, global private was blocked |
| 03:26.12 | centrx | wed, Sorry, tough luck having your name be the abbreviation for a day of the week |
| 03:26.34 | wed | That's alright. I'm used to it |
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| 03:27.01 | abrotman | [CamO]: /msg dpkg available |
| 03:27.03 | wed | Makes me think I'm appreciated now and then |
| 03:27.11 | centrx | Perhaps someday you will be wed |
| 03:27.25 | wed | hehe |
| 03:28.00 | carrera | centrx, aptitude upgrade said "Current status: 0 updates [-83]." Is that Okay? |
| 03:28.24 | [CamO] | abrotman : Thanks! I give it a try |
| 03:29.21 | centrx | carrera, https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/02/msg00912.html |
| 03:30.56 | [CamO] | abrotman : It worked out! Thank you very much :) |
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| 03:39.06 | [CamO] | anyone might know how to correct this... Weird behavior started with the GD thing.: :~$ postfix |
| 03:39.06 | [CamO] | -bash: postfix: command not found |
| 03:39.22 | [CamO] | and also "mail" not working |
| 03:39.40 | [CamO] | I am currently in the process of reinstalling postfix |
| 03:39.52 | [CamO] | mail error : -bash: /usr/bin/mail: No such file or directory |
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| 03:43.35 | abrotman | reinstalling how ? |
| 03:45.16 | [CamO] | abrotman sudo apt-get purge postfix, then sudo apt-get install postfix... now postfix is ok... |
| 03:45.24 | [CamO] | mail command still not work however.. |
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| 03:45.55 | [CamO] | mailx return : -bash: /usr/bin/mailx: Input/output error |
| 03:47.09 | framling | .g 16 |
| 03:47.17 | framling | Whoops sorry |
| 03:48.41 | centrx | [CamO], Maybe postfix is supposed to install it too, but mailx is in the package named bsd-mailx |
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| 03:49.34 | abrotman | all this corrupted stuff makes one wonder |
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| 03:50.13 | [CamO] | centrx : usually "mail" work out of the box with default debian setup... I just replace the default MTA with postfix... |
| 03:50.29 | centrx | mail or mailx ? |
| 03:50.37 | centrx | error message is from mailx |
| 03:50.45 | [CamO] | abrotman : This is a brand new setup made yesterday... first time it goes so wrong... |
| 03:50.58 | centrx | input/output error just from accessing a file sounds like a hardware drive error |
| 03:51.07 | abrotman | brand new doesn' tmake a bit of difference |
| 03:51.09 | [CamO] | yeah this one is for mailx |
| 03:51.14 | [CamO] | mail return this : -bash: /usr/bin/mail: No such file or directory |
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| 03:52.12 | [CamO] | everything else is working right as everytime I get a new system up.. |
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| 03:52.23 | [CamO] | just this one that makes me wonder... |
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| 03:54.04 | [CamO] | Apache, MySQL and all other programs run jsut fine... GD error happend after apt-get update, then I noticed mail not working when I wnated to review cronjob logs... |
| 03:54.41 | n0arch | do you have sendmail installed? |
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| 03:56.48 | [CamO] | n0arch : no |
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| 04:06.29 | [CamO] | anyone would send me a copy of its /usr/bin/mail (preferably someone using wheezy) ??? |
| 04:06.47 | n0arch | just remove and reinstall it |
| 04:07.39 | [CamO] | n0arch : How ??? I am not a Debian expert... currently tried to remove/install postfix, did not fixed |
| 04:08.16 | [CamO] | and "mail" do not seems to be a suitable pack |
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| 04:09.20 | n0arch | does 'dkpg -l bsd-mailx' turn up result? |
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| 04:10.42 | [CamO] | command not found |
| 04:11.13 | n0arch | how did you install? |
| 04:11.27 | [CamO] | apt-get |
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| 04:12.48 | n0arch | oh it was a typo |
| 04:12.50 | n0arch | dpkg |
| 04:12.53 | n0arch | my bad |
| 04:13.07 | DeeEff | hey #debian, is it possible to get cryptsetup installed on one of the liveCD images? |
| 04:13.47 | DeeEff | rather, which liveCD do I need to use to get access to cryptsetup? |
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| 04:18.28 | [CamO] | Yes, it return: un bsd-mailx <none> (no description available) |
| 04:18.56 | n0arch | yeah try to install it with apt-get again |
| 04:19.01 | n0arch | apt-get install bsd-mailx |
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| 04:20.39 | [CamO] | n0arch : Found 2 package... install in progress |
| 04:21.08 | [CamO] | -bash: /usr/bin/mailx: Input/output error |
| 04:21.25 | n0arch | try to 'touch /test' |
| 04:21.34 | n0arch | input/output error is a mount or disk issue |
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| 04:22.28 | [CamO] | it works |
| 04:22.46 | n0arch | how is the disk partitioned? |
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| 04:22.53 | n0arch | 'df -h' |
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| 05:15.56 | mauww | can sb help me compiling a program? |
| 05:17.51 | somiaj | mauww: it is a little off topic (depending on what you are compiling and why). Maybe this is an X-Y problem too. What software are you compling and why? |
| 05:18.19 | stew | mauww: try typing "make" |
| 05:18.31 | stew | (shrug) |
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| 05:19.14 | mauww | somiaj: when i compiling the same program and make, make install .., shouldnt it overwrite the overwrite the old bin file? |
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| 05:21.19 | somiaj | mauww: depends, in most cases it shouldn't. But first I still think this is an X-Y system. so first 1) do you run debian, if so what version. 2) what software are you complining and why? |
| 05:22.27 | somiaj | well I guess it depends on what you mean by old bin, most things install in /usr/local which will not conflict with .deb packages installing in /usr |
| 05:22.30 | mauww | i dunno why are we compiling programs? anyone? |
| 05:22.59 | mauww | somiaj: ah ok |
| 05:23.04 | somiaj | if you run make/make insatll on the the same software, it should replace things (providd you have teh same settings). Note somtimes versions change things like binary names and the like, that can be an issue with doing a newer version over another |
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| 05:23.46 | mauww | somiaj: mhh yea this sounds logic |
| 05:23.48 | somiaj | mauww: I have no clue why you would want to compile a paticular piece of software. I compile backports of stuff that I want in stable. I also compile wine and some other stuff that I want upstream versions of (outside of the debian sources) |
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| 05:24.17 | Roenie | file managers I've used on linux have always sucked compared to say total commander/windows commander and it's always a pain in the butt to get files to open in the applications I want, they usually don't automatically associate and if they do it's cumbersome to change the defaults. Is there yet a file manager that solves this? |
| 05:24.37 | saustin | So, I'm trying to unzip a *.7z file and I did "7zr e file.7z" and it did something very odd, not putting the contents of subdirectories in the directory but putting all files into the current directory yet still making the (empty) subdirectories... Any clue what I was doing wrong? |
| 05:24.45 | mauww | somiaj: and how do u handle versioning? of compiled programs with git? |
| 05:24.46 | Roenie | also, I find Dolphin lacks tons of features |
| 05:25.03 | Roenie | e.g. "don't use the darn trash!" button |
| 05:25.14 | Roenie | *setting, not button |
| 05:25.22 | somiaj | mauww: I don't do much with git/cvs stuff. I just have a single version isntalled. If I can I make a .deb from the source and install it with dpkg |
| 05:25.26 | saustin | oh, nevermind, should have used x, how very strange that e is even an option then |
| 05:25.42 | somiaj | mauww: the program stow is very useful for manging software isntalled in /usr/local in which you don't want to go though the pain of making a debian package. |
| 05:26.06 | somiaj | Roenie: Ditch a file manager and learn to use your shell. (: |
| 05:26.55 | mauww | somiaj: yea its just time consuming updating all progs |
| 05:26.59 | somiaj | Roenie: I don't use them, my guess is you will have to do lots of configuring. Many things are turning to letting the system decide the default applicaiton. so you don't configure the file manager you configure your system, 'man xdg-opne' |
| 05:27.47 | somiaj | mauww: I am very picky about things I choose to manage myself and compile. I stick with what is in debian as much as I can. I don't need the newest stuff expcept in very paticular cases (wine is the major one for me) |
| 05:27.59 | Roenie | suggesting I don't know how to use the shell isn't very nice >:| |
| 05:28.05 | Roenie | but thanks |
| 05:28.34 | somiaj | Roenie: xdg-open, and the related xdg commands can be configured to use a paticular application based on its mime data |
| 05:29.31 | somiaj | Roenie: I belive most modern file managers are leaning twoards using this to determine what software to run as opposed to having to configure the filemanager. But I don't have much experience with them, I just know chromium (runs things I download) and other things I use have started using that over being configurable themselves. |
| 05:29.50 | mauww | somiaj: yea, wine is a must have.. especially if the apt repos are outdated... but i removed it first cause i could see through c_drive my whole fs what i would consider as sec-issue |
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| 05:31.50 | somiaj | mauww: I think you should look into stow, you might find that way it manages your /usr/local of things you compile making keepnig track of versions and installing/removing the stuff far easier |
| 05:32.12 | somiaj | mauww: I'm not too worried on my desktop. I run sid on it too, so who knows what its fate may be. (: |
| 05:32.22 | mauww | ^^ |
| 05:34.23 | Roenie | somiaj, how do I tell xdg-open what my defaults should be? |
| 05:34.36 | Roenie | man does not cover it |
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| 05:35.15 | somiaj | Roenie: yea you are right, surprised it didn't mention helper programs, xdg-mime I belive. |
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| 05:36.30 | Roenie | it mentions xdg-utils, which apt-cache search xdg-mime refers to |
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| 05:37.50 | Roenie | man xdg-mime i guess |
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| 05:41.18 | Terminus- | hello. question, are kernel modules built with gcc-4.6? i'm wondering why linux-headers pulls in gcc-4.6 while build-essential pulls in gcc-4.7. |
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| 05:41.56 | somiaj | Terminus-: what version of debian, I belive uname -a tells you what verions of gcc the kernel was built with |
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| 05:44.03 | Terminus- | somiaj: wheezy. let me check with uname. |
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| 05:44.51 | Terminus- | somiaj: nope. nothing in uname. all i get is "Linux dev 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux" |
| 05:45.53 | somiaj | Maybe it was in the top part of dmesg |
| 05:45.57 | Terminus- | it just seems strange, why two different versions of gcc? for the record, i didn't have time to check this out before so i just went ahead and built modules with gcc-4.7. it worked. now i'm wondering why this is the case. |
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| 05:46.21 | Terminus- | somiaj: ah... thanks! "(gcc version 4.6.3 (Debian 4.6.3-14) )" |
| 05:46.52 | Terminus- | so, the next question is, why use that version instead of the default 4.7? |
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| 05:47.00 | somiaj | looking at the deps of gcc package are strange enough, http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gcc |
| 05:47.20 | somiaj | like it either depends on gcc-4.6 or gcc-4.7 unless you have amd64, then only 4.5 |
| 05:47.24 | somiaj | 4.7 |
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| 05:48.08 | somiaj | my guess is the metapackage gets updated fairly regurally to the newer gcc, but otherthigns may take more time. |
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| 05:50.53 | dondelelcaro | Terminus-: the main reason why we have multiple versions of GCC is that sometimes it doesn't work well on other architectures |
| 05:50.56 | Terminus- | somiaj: yeah, was wondering if i was reading it right and gcc-4.6 is default on everything but amd64 and i was wondering if there's any technical reason behind it. |
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| 05:51.15 | dondelelcaro | Terminus-: and occasionally new versions of GCC have interesting new bugs on other architectures |
| 05:51.24 | dondelelcaro | (and sometimes even on more common architecture) |
| 05:51.33 | Terminus- | dondelelcaro: ah... gotcha. so i take it gcc-4.7 isn't quite ready on anything other than amd64? |
| 05:52.37 | dondelelcaro | Terminus-: it wasn't at the moment that wheezy was frozen, but I believe it is fine now |
| 05:52.41 | Terminus- | or if i'm looking at the bottom of the package page, gcc-4.7 is only good for i386 and amd64 linux and kfreebsd but nothing else? |
| 05:52.44 | dondelelcaro | Terminus-: unstable has 4.8 in most place |
| 05:53.25 | dondelelcaro | Terminus-: and it may have even been OK then, but people were being conservative |
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| 05:53.37 | Terminus- | dondelelcaro: gotcha. it just feels strange with linux headers. if i wasn't mucking about with that, i'd just build stuff with the default. |
| 05:54.34 | dondelelcaro | Terminus-: oh. If you're compiling kernel modules, there's a whole package which has all of the correct dependencies and such |
| 05:55.21 | Terminus- | dondelelcaro: which one? i just know about linux-headers-amd64. i just went ahead and installed build-essential because i needed make and i figured, why not just install build-essential? |
| 05:56.03 | Terminus- | i mean i installed both of them which resulted in both gcc-4.6 and gcc-4.7 getting installed. |
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| 06:09.04 | dizzylizzy | Mmm, this is so much nicer. I'm building backports packages for myself from my desktop by ssh-ing into the machine that's making the backports. Much more accessible and conducive to a productive workflow. |
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| 06:59.41 | John01 | what is RF-kill and why is it stopping me from using wi-fi? |
| 07:00.05 | John01 | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 07:00.06 | John01 | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill |
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| 07:01.39 | John01 | that was as root |
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| 07:08.23 | pingfloyd | John01: rfkill is to fill the niche for wifi implementations that don't have a hardware kill switch |
| 07:08.56 | pingfloyd | like a software version of the wifi switch you see on most laptops |
| 07:09.36 | pingfloyd | anyway, it sounds like it is running and has it in disabled state |
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| 07:11.36 | John01 | pingfloyd, that fixed it! it was a Fn+F2 (the wi-fi key) |
| 07:11.50 | John01 | smacks forehead! |
| 07:11.59 | John01 | thank you! |
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| 07:12.44 | John01 | bbl thank you very much |
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| 07:15.08 | |oop | anyone have any thoughts when it comes to Steam offering free games to debian developers? |
| 07:15.38 | pingfloyd | are they talking about doing that? |
| 07:15.50 | |oop | pretty sure theyve done it |
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| 07:15.56 | |oop | as of today |
| 07:16.11 | pingfloyd | I think it would be a great idea as it will probably encourage debian to support steam more |
| 07:16.15 | |oop | only the valve games but still |
| 07:16.39 | |oop | portal, cs, hl, l4d etc |
| 07:16.42 | pingfloyd | in a way, if they use it, they'll find bugs before they're bugs |
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| 07:17.22 | pingfloyd | these sorts of things will help gaming gain more momentum on linux |
| 07:17.35 | |oop | definitely |
| 07:17.56 | pingfloyd | history has told us time and again, the platform with games usually wins |
| 07:18.09 | pingfloyd | in market share |
| 07:18.38 | pingfloyd | think about what would happen if it became status quo for all game devs to have a linux port |
| 07:19.04 | pingfloyd | it would nullify the gaming advantage of Windows, and then make it games on Linux vs. Office on Windows |
| 07:19.17 | |oop | that would be bad for a lot of people currently filling that status quo |
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| 07:19.43 | pingfloyd | I think Valve is going to do well no matter what |
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| 07:20.02 | dn4 | but is Valve going with Wayland Corp |
| 07:20.13 | pingfloyd | they may even end up being a bridge for other developers |
| 07:20.36 | pingfloyd | dn4: no idea |
| 07:20.47 | pingfloyd | I don't keep up on games like I used to |
| 07:21.05 | dn4 | pingfloyd: it will be interesting to see what happens |
| 07:21.05 | |oop | theyre currently operating on top of X 1.12 |
| 07:21.19 | pingfloyd | about all I play anymore is Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead and I play that but maybe once a week |
| 07:21.26 | pingfloyd | dn4: yeah |
| 07:21.34 | pingfloyd | dn4: I'd like to see more gaming support on Linux |
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| 07:22.10 | pingfloyd | also, a lot of gamers would probably switch once the game support gets on par |
| 07:22.14 | |oop | ive tried a few of the f2p games on steam recently and its been a pretty positive experience |
| 07:22.48 | Terminus- | i'd love to see more commercial debian support in general. i feel sad when commercial stuff rely on ubuntu's lib versions. |
| 07:23.03 | |oop | plus theyve picked up 10 million new accounts in the last 3 months |
| 07:23.11 | pingfloyd | the one I play is a Zombie post-apocalyptic survival game |
| 07:23.12 | Zharf | still wouldn't :p |
| 07:23.28 | pingfloyd | now whenever I see Z I instantly think zombie |
| 07:23.37 | |oop | have you tried 'last of us' for playstaion pingfloyd? |
| 07:23.47 | pingfloyd | Z's can be kind of startling now |
| 07:23.51 | Zharf | I do play some games on linux but 100% gaming support still wouldn't be enough for me to abandon windows |
| 07:24.01 | pingfloyd | |oop: no |
| 07:24.07 | pingfloyd | |oop: I used to have a PS2 though |
| 07:24.17 | dn4 | hmmm I did not know SteamOS was based off Debian |
| 07:24.31 | pingfloyd | that was a great system for its time even though is what Phony created |
| 07:24.40 | pingfloyd | *was |
| 07:24.42 | Terminus- | i only play games on windows. as long as linux is treated as a 2nd class citizen when it comes to game support, i'll continue using windows for that. |
| 07:25.15 | pingfloyd | Terminus-: yeah, but if it wasn't treated second class, you'd probably dump Windows right |
| 07:25.28 | Terminus- | dn4: IIRC, they've been telling devs to continue building for ubuntu and provide a compatibility layer for debian to get it running for SteamOS. |
| 07:25.28 | |oop | how would you ever expect linux to improve if everyone took your attitude Terminus- |
| 07:25.57 | pingfloyd | Terminus-: what you could do is support the Linux version when available, otherwise play on Windows |
| 07:26.08 | pingfloyd | of whatever game you want |
| 07:26.10 | |oop | windows was like that at one point |
| 07:26.11 | Terminus- | pingfloyd: yep. if i could do everything on linux, i don't need windows. |
| 07:26.26 | pingfloyd | at least take a look at Linux game demos and keep and open mind |
| 07:26.28 | dn4 | Terminus-: what do you mean ? I don't understand |
| 07:26.32 | pingfloyd | sometimes you find a gem |
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| 07:27.03 | Terminus- | |oop: i'm just tired of trying to get things running on linux instead of just playing. i spent enough of that during the first half of the last decade. even got a cedega subscription. |
| 07:27.18 | pingfloyd | Terminus-: which distro are you using? |
| 07:27.27 | Terminus- | dn4: just commenting on your comment that SteamOS is based on debian. |
| 07:28.17 | pingfloyd | it's good to see they're working to make Debian compatible |
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| 07:28.26 | Terminus- | pingfloyd: right now, debian primarily. we're planning to do an ubuntu workstation at work because we need commercial software that doesn't play well with debian. for servers, i generally stick with centos. |
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| 07:28.57 | |oop | they started out endorsing ubuntu but recently changed course as announced in vegas |
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| 07:29.06 | dn4 | who is they? |
| 07:29.16 | |oop | and now today they announced theyre offering free games to debian developers |
| 07:29.18 | |oop | steam |
| 07:29.26 | Terminus- | |oop: valve you mean? maybe they don't like the direction ubuntu is going in either. |
| 07:29.30 | pingfloyd | Terminus-: I grew up on Debian, so for me, it would be debian stable for server |
| 07:29.33 | |oop | yes right |
| 07:29.38 | dn4 | what oh snap; today? |oop link to that please |
| 07:29.43 | Fuzai | Hi i'm using kfreebsd ( debian userland within a freebsd kernel ) and i'm trying to figure out where apt gets the line 'main/binary-kfreebsd-amd64/Packages' I would like to trick it back to binary-amd64 |
| 07:29.47 | |oop | its on phoronix |
| 07:29.49 | pingfloyd | Terminus-: I'd probably run centos if I started with rpms |
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| 07:30.18 | pingfloyd | Terminus-: I liked yum though |
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| 07:30.30 | Terminus- | pingfloyd: i've used debian since potato. i just use what works. since centos makes the most sense for zimbra, we just went with centos everywhere for consistency. |
| 07:30.47 | koell | Terminus-: they dont like to pay for the ubuntu trademark afaik jono bacon said |
| 07:30.48 | Terminus- | pingfloyd: i still like aptitude more than yum. yum still feels slow in comparison. |
| 07:31.05 | pingfloyd | it was a bit like using apt, so it wasn't too painful of a transition when I've used yum |
| 07:31.16 | dn4 | what has Stallman said about this new debian devs getting free games deal |
| 07:31.17 | pingfloyd | Terminus-: I used to like aptitude |
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| 07:31.29 | pingfloyd | Terminus-: I always come back to apt |
| 07:31.46 | pingfloyd | aptitude has some handy features though |
| 07:31.59 | pingfloyd | I like how it can easily clean out residual configs |
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| 07:32.17 | Terminus- | koell: i see. personally, i just don't like where ubuntu is heading. not denying the contributions they've made over the years though. |
| 07:32.21 | pingfloyd | and you can flag as manually/auto installed very easily |
| 07:32.42 | |oop | dn4: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_radeonsi_winter&num=1 |
| 07:32.52 | Terminus- | pingfloyd: yep. main reason i use aptitude. purge works better there. i heard apt-get does a lot better in that dept now but aptitude works for me so... *shrug* |
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| 07:33.07 | dn4 | ahhh i am not a debian dev; lol |
| 07:33.26 | dn4 | but it seems legit; now alls what debian needs is to drop the x; and go for wayland right ? |
| 07:33.32 | |oop | wrong link http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU3OTc |
| 07:33.34 | Terminus- | at least we don't have to deal with dselect anymore. not for a long time. =D |
| 07:33.35 | dn4 | steamOS + Wayland |
| 07:33.41 | pingfloyd | Terminus-: a big one was when they added autoremove |
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| 07:33.52 | dn4 | at least that is how i'd set up my OS |
| 07:33.54 | pingfloyd | one of my favorite is autoremove --purge |
| 07:33.59 | dn4 | for pure gaming |
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| 07:35.48 | Terminus- | pingfloyd: i've lost track really. spent too much time with ubuntu. |
| 07:36.10 | dn4 | has an old progeny debian cd |
| 07:36.39 | koell | what does autoremove do? why does it neet the purge option? |
| 07:36.45 | koell | *need |
| 07:36.46 | pingfloyd | aptitude and synaptic also make it easier to track down breakage |
| 07:37.13 | pingfloyd | figure out the key package setting it all off |
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| 07:38.06 | Terminus- | i've probably used synaptic less than 5 times in the past decade. i mostly stick with CLI. i just run a terminal in X coz it renders nicer there. |
| 07:38.27 | pingfloyd | synaptic seems to play pretty nice with apt |
| 07:38.40 | pingfloyd | but if you use aptitude, you're better off just using aptitude |
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| 07:38.54 | pingfloyd | it's got pretty much everything you're ever going to want |
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| 07:39.19 | Terminus- | yep. first thing i always do is set "Aptitude::Purge-Unused true" |
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| 07:39.42 | pingfloyd | that's a good setting |
| 07:40.00 | pingfloyd | do you usually have it do the recommends? |
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| 07:40.33 | pingfloyd | sometimes I'm on the fence about that whether to use them or not |
| 07:40.56 | Terminus- | pingfloyd: it's the only setting i add. otherwise, i just go with defaults. i tried disabling recommends before, then i realized i spent way more time tracking down and installing stuff that i need. |
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| 07:42.19 | dn4 | wasn't Stallman upset with SteamOS coming to the opensource community ? |
| 07:42.47 | pingfloyd | was he? |
| 07:42.56 | cantstanya | I like how dpkg keeps information about uninstalled packages in the db or something even though that's like pretty dumb. |
| 07:43.04 | cantstanya | :^ ] |
| 07:43.20 | dn4 | pingfloyd: I don't know; I couldn't tell |
| 07:44.39 | pingfloyd | I'm glad he made a stink about Ubuntu and Amazon spyware and got them to turn that shit off by default |
| 07:45.03 | cantstanya | nah but seriously that's terrible. |
| 07:45.54 | pingfloyd | defaults are very important with things like that because they are practically ensured normalization |
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| 08:49.28 | HellTiger | hello. is there a platform for oss where freelancers offer tasks? i mean non profit, so "projects" can easy find needed contributions. |
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| 08:53.16 | colo-work | HellTiger, any project's bugtracker :) |
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| 09:02.02 | rivarun | HellTiger: openhatch perhaps |
| 09:02.40 | HellTiger | thanks |
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| 09:18.02 | boycottg00gle | is there a tool similar to makeself that uses mime instead of tar to embed the files? |
| 09:18.55 | boycottg00gle | or in some other way produces other "plain text" output |
| 09:19.27 | boycottg00gle | ideally the embedded files are editable directly in place - maybe just using here documents |
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| 09:23.44 | mowgl3y | hello #debian |
| 09:23.44 | mowgl3y | i've accidently deleted /usr/lib/mozilla, now some sites are displaying 'install missing plugins', is there anyway to restore the /usr/lib/mozilla folder |
| 09:24.06 | mowgl3y | i tried uninstalling/ installing flashplugin-nonfree, and iceweasel |
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| 09:25.29 | boycottg00gle | mowgl3y: should be enough / didn't work? |
| 09:25.50 | mowgl3y | boycottg00gle: nah man, i still get the error |
| 09:26.38 | babilen | mowgl3y: Which plugin are the website complaining about? |
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| 09:26.57 | mowgl3y | i tried updating the flash player as suggested on the debian wiki too, and there was a problem in creating symlink so i went ahead and created the usr/lib/mozilla/plugin myself. still wont work. |
| 09:27.04 | mowgl3y | mostly flash |
| 09:27.06 | boycottg00gle | mowgl3y: but your directory is back and populated? there were no errors in that process? |
| 09:27.19 | babilen | mowgl3y: And please don't tinker with *anything* in /usr (except /usr/local) in the future ;) |
| 09:27.23 | boycottg00gle | mowgl3y: broken site failing to detect |
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| 09:27.52 | mowgl3y | no just the symlink error when updating flash player, which went away after i created the folder manually |
| 09:27.59 | babilen | mowgl3y: It should be /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and not /usr/lib/mozilla/plugin IIRC -- What does "update-flashplugin-nonfree --verbose --install" give you? |
| 09:28.01 | mowgl3y | babilen: yeah :p |
| 09:28.21 | mowgl3y | haven't tried the verbose one, 1 sec |
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| 09:28.43 | babilen | Please paste the output to http://paste.debian.net -- /me will be back in a few minutes (early morning demands more coffee) |
| 09:28.51 | mowgl3y | sure |
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| 09:32.00 | mowgl3y | paste.debian.net/77950/ |
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| 09:33.35 | Terminus- | mowgl3y: here's what i've got in my /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ directory: http://paste.ofcode.org/xWXfH26aiXqJuzzSpJRkWk |
| 09:33.48 | mowgl3y | boycottg00gle: the directory /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins is back but its empty, i think theres just a symlink from updating the flashplugin. |
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| 09:35.31 | mowgl3y | Terminus-: mine is empty, on my other machine i have flash-mozilla.so, mozplugger.so |
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| 09:36.43 | mowgl3y | but i am afraid to copy it from my other machine as the 2 debian versions are different, one i am having issue with is stable and the other is testing. |
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| 09:37.52 | boycottg00gle | mowgl3y: i have: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so -> /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
| 09:38.57 | mowgl3y | so should i just copy the flash-mozilla.so from /etc/alternatives/ to the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins? |
| 09:39.12 | boycottg00gle | mowgl3y: no |
| 09:39.16 | Terminus- | mowgl3y: it's a symlink. you can just make the symlink. |
| 09:39.33 | Terminus- | mowgl3y: cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/; ln -s /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
| 09:39.36 | boycottg00gle | mowgl3y: maybe read about the debian alternatives system first |
| 09:40.13 | Terminus- | assuming that on your system it's running off alternatives. boycottg00gle makes a good suggestion. |
| 09:40.27 | boycottg00gle | mowgl3y: man update-alternatives would be a start |
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| 09:52.58 | chamar | can anyone guide me over mythTV , i want to run it |
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| 09:57.32 | chamar | can somebody please guide me over mythTV |
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| 09:58.10 | mjt | maybe you'll have better luck in mythtv-specific channel? |
| 09:58.19 | chamar | i want to choose a TV turner card and dont know how to choose one compatible for linux |
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| 09:58.40 | chamar | mjt : can u plz name that channel |
| 09:58.50 | mjt | no |
| 09:59.13 | mjt | because i've no idea |
| 09:59.38 | chamar | ok |
| 09:59.47 | colo-work | /msg alis list *mythtv* |
| 09:59.49 | Terminus- | chamar: maybe this will help: /query alis list *mythtv* |
| 10:00.07 | Terminus- | heh. almost at the same time. |
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| 10:01.24 | Terminus- | debian's postgresql cluster management tools are nice. never had a reason to use them before. |
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| 10:03.52 | helper | hey mates, i need serious help ! i am trying to setup Chroot (Sftp) but not working always give me permission denied and on /var/log/secure i receive this: http://pastebin.com/Xb1Dwh5u sshd config for sftp: http://pastebin.com/rZjACKNn anyone can help me in this pls (stuck for 5 hours :( ) |
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| 10:05.03 | Myrtti | helper: is this Ubuntu or Debian machine? |
| 10:05.19 | helper | Myrth Ubuntu |
| 10:05.27 | Myrtti | then why are you asking here? |
| 10:06.01 | helper | Myrth well as per i know, ubuntu and Debian are similar! i am asking not on the distro level but on the Experience level (as it's related to chroot) |
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| 10:08.40 | chamar | helper : go to ubuntu channel , alas! they r strict |
| 10:09.02 | helper | chamar is chroot rely on the distro ? |
| 10:09.32 | Myrth | helper: tab one more time :) |
| 10:10.06 | helper | guess this chroot need more experience level eheh :) |
| 10:11.09 | joj | I'm sure you all have heard at this point of https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/01/msg00006.html. IMHO this should be shot down as fast as possible. |
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| 10:13.13 | joj | ^ I'm sorry, I meant to post this in the #debian-offtopic window |
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| 10:14.34 | chamar | joj : not found on this server |
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| 10:15.39 | joj | chamar: works fine for me? even when I click the URL in the IRC backlog in urxvt. Maybe your terminal emulator/IRC client does not ignore the suffix point character in the string above? |
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| 10:56.00 | entity | hello, how can i find out whether there's a backport of a specific package for wheezy? |
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| 10:56.09 | entity | i don't seem to able to search backports here http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 11:04.51 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | entity: http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ |
| 11:05.37 | entity | oh, thanks |
| 11:05.45 | entity | no wine tho :< |
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| 11:06.43 | entity | has anyone tried installing wine from jessie in wheezy? |
| 11:09.49 | nkuttler | ,v wine |
| 11:09.51 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-2; sid: 1.6.2-2+b1 |
| 11:09.59 | nkuttler | entity: no backports for you |
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| 11:10.19 | nkuttler | entity: installing the jessie deb will most likely fail |
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| 11:15.45 | entity | nkuttler: so what should i do if i want wine 1.6.2? do i have to compile myself? |
| 11:16.01 | abailarri | Hello. I'm trying to make a redirect to http to https in a vhost, but only apply on a subdomain defined in this vhost. Now works, but affects to all vhost, I need to apply onloy to subdomain. Any suggestion please? I have in a paste the vhost conf. |
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| 11:19.41 | nkuttler | entity: stop wanting it? nah, kidding, build your own backport /msg dpkg ssbp |
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| 11:21.11 | entity | i think i'm gonna try the jessie deb first :P |
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| 11:23.22 | wols | entity: then you won't get any support here anymore for it |
| 11:23.32 | wols | "it" being your debian |
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| 11:25.04 | wed | You will have to ask in #myowndebian. It may be lonely there ... |
| 11:26.30 | jelly | entity: forget it, there are too many changes for that to work (and backporting will be a pain as well) |
| 11:26.52 | entity | should i switch to testing completely then? |
| 11:27.18 | HicksD_ | jelly: What's stopping a backport? |
| 11:27.27 | HicksD_ | not looked at the package, just curious :) |
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| 11:27.36 | jelly | HicksD_: try it and see. |
| 11:28.09 | jelly | too many build deps not available |
| 11:28.52 | HicksD_ | ah. |
| 11:29.27 | HicksD_ | That's not a huge issue if entity doesn't mind backporting deps too (and any of their deps), depending on what the deps are I guess. |
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| 11:31.53 | HicksD_ | just looking through the list, there's a lot :) |
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| 11:35.17 | jelly | HicksD_: you're welcome to do try it and I bet backports people will gladly accept your patches |
| 11:35.31 | entity | i, for one, would |
| 11:35.46 | entity | but i think i'm just gonna switch to testing |
| 11:36.00 | HicksD_ | entity: that's what I did, although it was due to steam |
| 11:36.13 | HicksD_ | I backported most of the other things I needed, but steam was an issue |
| 11:36.18 | entity | steam is working for me well in stabble |
| 11:36.36 | entity | i used the steam for debian installer tho |
| 11:36.42 | HicksD_ | yeah |
| 11:36.49 | HicksD_ | I got it working, just wasn't happy with how :) |
| 11:37.03 | entity | https://github.com/GhostSquad57/Steam-Installer-for-Wheezy |
| 11:37.15 | entity | this thing works nicely |
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| 11:40.07 | hyper_ch | hmmm, reading https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/01/msg00006.html I wonder how I can become a Dev :) |
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| 11:50.07 | babilen | hyper_ch: The usual way: (less gaming, more serious work): See http://www.debian.org/intro/help and http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers for some details - http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/06/30/how-to-start-contributing-to-debian/ mentions some things too |
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| 11:50.52 | hyper_ch | babilen: but the whole point is to game more :) |
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| 11:58.50 | hyper_ch | babilen: btw, is debia now leaning towards systemd or upstart? |
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| 12:01.11 | ksk | hyper_ch: its not decided yet. |
| 12:01.40 | babilen | hyper_ch: Close call, my bet is on systemd, but nothing is certain |
| 12:01.41 | hyper_ch | ksk: but what is actually the reason to change the current system? |
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| 12:05.55 | ksk | its ooooold and not very flexible |
| 12:07.05 | ksk | (as everything you do in shell-code ;) |
| 12:07.20 | hyper_ch | I love #bash |
| 12:07.28 | ksk | guess you will find some good sysv-init vs. systemd vs. upstart topics on google / on the debian mailing list |
| 12:07.33 | hyper_ch | (just a bit more than dash) |
| 12:07.40 | ksk | bash is nice. but you have to choose your tools by the work you want to do.. |
| 12:08.18 | hyper_ch | I just wonder, since sysv-init has been in use for so long and proven itself, there must be compelling reason to alter it |
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| 12:09.53 | ksk | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/5877/what-are-the-pros-cons-of-upstart-and-systemd |
| 12:10.14 | hyper_ch | oh oh, reading time :) thx |
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| 12:13.59 | dcosnet | hi all. i got a package that didnt finish installing, nor will it remove. ive tried all common command methods. is there a location i can goto to remove it from the apt install queue? |
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| 12:24.52 | dcosnet | if anyone decides to respond just pm me the response. |
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| 12:26.47 | Iridos | hm, what happened to pdfedit... wasn't that in the repos |
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| 12:27.44 | Iridos | or is it... |
| 12:27.48 | Iridos | judd, versions pdfedit |
| 12:27.49 | judd | Package: pdfedit on i386 -- squeeze: 0.4.5-1 |
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| 12:28.43 | Iridos | also, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=pdfedit ... but that doesn't seem to explain the removal |
| 12:28.48 | Iridos | is there a substitute for |
| 12:28.54 | Iridos | dpkg, why is pdfedit not in testing |
| 12:28.55 | dpkg | pdfedit is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pdfedit |
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| 12:29.04 | Iridos | that url? |
| 12:29.26 | Iridos | oh, there's 696164 |
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| 12:31.50 | abailarri | Hello. I'm trying to make a redirect to http to https in a vhost, but only apply on a subdomain defined in this vhost. Now works, but affects to all vhost, I need to apply onloy to subdomain. Any suggestion please? I have in a paste the vhost conf. |
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| 12:32.57 | babilen | abailarri: Sounds more like a question for #httpd rather than #debian (assuming you are using Apache) to be honest |
| 12:33.29 | babilen | abailarri: In any case we would have to see your actual configuration files (paste them to, e.g. http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 12:33.52 | jelly | and an output from apache2ctl -S, and um... cake |
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| 12:34.56 | Konomi | hey does anyone know what is going on with my second mount? http://pastebin.com/ivi6zJDr |
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| 12:35.59 | Konomi | why it isn't showing as a uuid path instead it shows as /dev/sd* path? |
| 12:36.02 | abailarri | babilen, in the #httpd channel I can't write. The config is: http://pastebin.com/SYmKwiW0 |
| 12:36.10 | mjt | Konomi: why do you care? |
| 12:36.19 | mjt | Konomi: actual device is /dev/sdb1 |
| 12:36.25 | Konomi | curiousity |
| 12:36.33 | mjt | aha |
| 12:36.36 | Konomi | yes hence the star |
| 12:36.49 | mjt | the mount of root is done by a different utility in a different place |
| 12:37.02 | mjt | and it works a bit differently |
| 12:37.11 | Konomi | hmm okay |
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| 12:37.31 | Konomi | is it still safe if devices change with my current fstab for the external mount? |
| 12:37.36 | babilen | abailarri: Register your user account on freenode ; http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup |
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| 12:37.45 | mjt | i'd fix this in the initramfs mount (which is used to mount root fs), but it is of a very low priority |
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| 12:37.59 | mjt | (so both shows /dev/sdX not /dev/disk/./... ) |
| 12:38.09 | Konomi | oh okay |
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| 12:40.22 | Konomi | mjt: thanks for the info ~ |
| 12:40.28 | mjt | yw |
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| 12:50.10 | f8l | dizzylizzy: What do you want to do to resurrect jigdo? |
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| 12:50.46 | Devastator | any suggestions on how to reinstall debian on a machine that doesn't support usb boot and has no cdrom? |
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| 12:51.31 | nkuttler | Devastator: netboot |
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| 12:51.42 | nkuttler | or you know, just floppy disks :p |
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| 12:52.13 | wols | Devastator: remove the hdd, install debian, put it back in |
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| 12:52.42 | Devastator | no floppy either, I thought about plop, but doesn't seem to be available in debian repos.. |
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| 12:53.02 | wols | and that is a problem how? |
| 12:53.15 | wols | what OS is there on this hardware already? anything at all? |
| 12:54.20 | Nyoxi | debian I would say (he said reinstall) |
| 12:54.34 | Nyoxi | and you can boot debian iso from grub afaik |
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| 12:57.04 | Devastator | wols old debian :) |
| 12:57.17 | wols | how old? |
| 12:57.23 | Devastator | one sec |
| 12:57.46 | Devastator | 6.0.7 |
| 12:57.56 | wols | its grub can run ISOs |
| 12:57.57 | Nyoxi | not that old ;) |
| 12:59.08 | Devastator | I can't remember how I installed it, but probably with a spare cdrom drive |
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| 12:59.54 | nkuttler | Devastator: why don't you just dist-upgrade? |
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| 13:02.01 | Devastator | nkuttler well, it seems squeeze->wheezy is a bit problematic, and I usually reinstall to current version when possible and when the machine is not used for a long time heheh |
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| 13:03.15 | wols | use grub to boot a iso |
| 13:03.27 | nkuttler | just keeps dist-upgrading release after release.. |
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| 13:04.09 | hyper_ch | Devastator: upgraded 3 servers from squeeze to wheezy with no problems |
| 13:04.28 | hyper_ch | and one server has been dist-upgraded since sarge |
| 13:04.42 | hyper_ch | I should ditch it and get a 10x more powerful server for the same price :) |
| 13:05.24 | Devastator | hahah probably |
| 13:05.37 | hyper_ch | s/price/monthly costs/ |
| 13:05.42 | hyper_ch | s/costs/rent/ |
| 13:06.17 | Devastator | I guess it's just me, when I'm building from scratch I like to dump old stuff |
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| 13:06.43 | Devastator | in terms of software in this case, machine is pretty old, sempron 2600+ 748 :P |
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| 13:09.37 | hyper_ch | Devastator: well, moving an instalaltion with multiple websites, email accounts etc.... it all requires work :) |
| 13:09.49 | hyper_ch | so I try to avoid it while the system still works fine :) |
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| 13:14.01 | Devastator | I perfectly understand |
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| 13:15.12 | hyper_ch | but I wouldn't, should I basically be able to boot a rescue system and then just dd the whole drive from the current server to a new one.... and after DDing just fix partition sizes (or rather expand them) |
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| 13:15.25 | hyper_ch | (and correct network settings) |
| 13:15.26 | Devastator | wols so, the iso is downloaded, now I just create the menuentry? |
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| 13:20.00 | wols | Devastator: yes |
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| 13:20.57 | Devastator | wols do you have an example of it? should I create a template in /etc/grub.d? |
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| 13:23.34 | wols | Devastator: http://paste.debian.net/77973/ easily found with "debian grub2 boot iso" on google |
| 13:23.49 | bullgard4_ | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/ch-rsi.en.html is "User's Guide (Obsolete Documentation)". What is its successor? |
| 13:24.46 | babilen | bullgard4_: I'd think http://debian-handbook.info/ but I have no idea what the author of that had in mind |
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| 13:25.23 | babilen | bullgard4_: And just because something is obsolete doesn't mean that something up to date exists |
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| 13:25.59 | babilen | bullgard4_: I understand that more in the sense of "well, this is obsolete and changed in the meanwhile. yes, we are aware of that, so we mention it rather than fixing the documentation" |
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| 13:26.20 | babilen | bullgard4_: But that interpretation should have been fairly obvious |
| 13:26.27 | bullgard4_ | babilen: Thank you for commenting. |
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| 13:48.07 | wallbroken | hi guys |
| 13:48.20 | wallbroken | do you know the difference between "kill" and "kill -HUP" ? |
| 13:48.55 | ChrisH | wallbroken: yes |
| 13:49.05 | nkuttler | wallbroken: see man 1 kill, man 7 signal |
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| 13:51.57 | wallbroken | kill by default which signal sends? |
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| 13:53.15 | ChrisH | wallbroken: 14:48 < nkuttler> wallbroken: see man 1 kill |
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| 13:58.55 | Devastator | wols thanks :) |
| 13:59.01 | Devastator | as always |
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| 13:59.34 | Devastator | luckly enough you are always around, if not for hardware, now for OS :P |
| 14:00.28 | wols | you know you did it all wrong by not going squeeze->wheezy, and the debian gods will smite you any second :P |
| 14:00.39 | wols | reinstaline for a new release! blasphemy! |
| 14:00.49 | wols | it's not as if we ran ubuntu here |
| 14:01.26 | hyper_ch | heard that god slays a baby seal every day for ever squeeze that's not upgraded to wheezy |
| 14:02.10 | SirLagz | hyper_ch: I think I still have a Woody box somewhere. What's god do then ? |
| 14:02.13 | ChrisH | and what does did you hear about lenny boxes? ... duch and cover |
| 14:02.22 | hyper_ch | SirLagz: slay cute kitten? |
| 14:02.33 | SirLagz | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 14:02.37 | hyper_ch | but isn't woody really old? |
| 14:02.40 | SirLagz | yep |
| 14:02.45 | SirLagz | Debian 3.0 ? i think it was :D |
| 14:02.55 | hyper_ch | that was before my debian time :) |
| 14:02.58 | hyper_ch | I started with sarge |
| 14:02.59 | SirLagz | heh |
| 14:03.00 | wols | what does this woody do? |
| 14:03.05 | hyper_ch | and that's been a long time |
| 14:03.13 | SirLagz | yeah sarge was right after woody I believe |
| 14:03.14 | hyper_ch | it pecks wood |
| 14:03.23 | hyper_ch | 3.1 |
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| 14:03.29 | hyper_ch | IIRC |
| 14:03.38 | SirLagz | yep. Woody was 3.0 Sarge was 3.1 |
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| 14:03.52 | wols | I mena the particular woody of SirLagz |
| 14:04.02 | SirLagz | wols: Oh. I don't know... |
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| 14:04.11 | hyper_ch | it gathers dust? |
| 14:04.12 | SirLagz | wols: I think it's around somewhere in my big stack of boxes |
| 14:04.16 | SirLagz | pretty much haha |
| 14:04.27 | SirLagz | I think it's on one of my pentium 3s, used to be my router IIRC |
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| 14:05.56 | SirLagz | probably still has a 10mbit NIC in it too haha |
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| 14:06.22 | wallbroken | ok, but i haven't understood what SIGHUP does |
| 14:06.48 | SirLagz | hiccup. |
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| 14:08.30 | fronix | How would I go about if I wanted to make my server a deamon that listens to commands from php? |
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| 14:09.23 | hyper_ch | fronix: ? |
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| 14:09.56 | stew | wallbroken: kill by itself sends SIGTERM, if you use -HUP it sends SIGHUP |
| 14:10.06 | wallbroken | i know |
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| 14:10.17 | wallbroken | sighup forces process to reload configuration file |
| 14:10.19 | stew | the program can interpret these signals any way they choose |
| 14:10.33 | stew | that's a common way to interpret sighup, but there is no "forcing" of this |
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| 14:10.45 | stew | the program has to be specifically authored to do this |
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| 14:10.58 | stew | some programs will quit on a SIGHUP |
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| 14:11.23 | fronix | hyper_ch: Well, I'm trying to use my server to listen for commands from a website. I'm right now using apache and just a simple $_GET method with an encrypted API key and sending it via cURL. |
| 14:12.31 | wallbroken | stew, ok, thank you |
| 14:12.35 | hyper_ch | fronix: http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.socket-create-listen.php |
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| 14:13.07 | hyper_ch | you'd sort of have to keep a php script running for continuous listening |
| 14:13.11 | hyper_ch | (or something) |
| 14:13.25 | stew | wallbroken: traditionaly SIGHUP means "hangup", like "the remote connection was severed" but its overloaded to mean other things these days |
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| 14:13.52 | stew | wallbroken: but when you disconnect from ssh, for instances, the remote processes attached to your tty get sent a HUP |
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| 14:14.29 | fronix | hyper_ch: Hmm why didn't I think of that. I also found this http://collaboradev.com/2011/03/31/php-daemons-tutorial dunno if it's the same thing |
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| 14:15.40 | Armadi | hot damn |
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| 14:15.43 | hyper_ch | but now not rung lighttpd or some other small webserver |
| 14:15.50 | hyper_ch | that's actually designed for that stuff |
| 14:16.37 | hyper_ch | I've also seen irc bots written in php |
| 14:16.45 | fronix | hyper_ch: I'm running a normal apache server atm |
| 14:16.47 | hyper_ch | good luck :) |
| 14:17.13 | fronix | Thnx, I think i can solve it :=) |
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| 14:34.57 | benedikt | hdparm reports ~65MB/sec disk reads for an ssd (and ~55 for a normal platter disk). is this normal? |
| 14:35.03 | benedikt | i'm using LVM on LUKS |
| 14:36.30 | LordDeath | is there an known alternative to owncloud which supports "delta sync"? |
| 14:36.50 | hyper_ch | benedikt: that sounds low |
| 14:36.55 | jelly | benedikt: hdparm is perhaps not the best choice of tool. how much do you get on the raw device? |
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| 14:37.25 | LordDeath | uploading the entire file every time after a small change sounds like a bad idea |
| 14:37.30 | wols | benedikt: are you limited by your encryption maybe? |
| 14:37.52 | rivarun | LordDeath: i'm not sure what owncloud offers, but look into tahoe-LAFS. they give the ability to do rsync-like operations |
| 14:37.53 | hyper_ch | benedikt: dd if=/dev/random of=sample.txt bs=1G count=1 |
| 14:38.03 | hyper_ch | how long does that take? |
| 14:38.06 | LordDeath | rivarun: thx |
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| 14:38.30 | ChrisH | MAybe tools like bonnie are the better approach. |
| 14:39.06 | dizzylizzy | f8l: fix up the codebase, implement that graphical version the source mentions a few times |
| 14:39.24 | hyper_ch | benedikt: and how fast is your cpu? I hope you use 2nd gen intel or newer |
| 14:39.55 | wols | hyper_ch: /dev/random is not such a good idea. you might measure your entropy generation instead of your hdd speed |
| 14:40.24 | hyper_ch | dev/urandom then? |
| 14:40.29 | jelly | hyper_ch: /dev/zero. |
| 14:40.37 | hyper_ch | or that :) |
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| 14:41.03 | jelly | and careful application of "sync" |
| 14:41.30 | jelly | else you get writes from a virtual device to fs cache |
| 14:41.57 | wols | he asked about reads, not writes. so a dd if=/dev/hda wouldn't be a bad idea. especially since SSD writes are tricky and don't matter as much |
| 14:42.04 | jelly | (this is why inventing ad-hoc benchmarks on irc is silly) |
| 14:42.14 | benedikt | hyper_ch: it's a intel core2duo e7500 iirc. |
| 14:42.18 | benedikt | i'll try the dd |
| 14:42.38 | hyper_ch | benedikt: check if the cpu has aes |
| 14:42.42 | benedikt | jelly: what do you mean by how much i get on the raw device? run hdparm against the /dev/sda ? |
| 14:43.05 | jelly | benedikt: yes, or rather, the partition used for luks |
| 14:43.09 | benedikt | hyper_ch: it's not lasted as a flag in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:43.13 | wols | benedikt: no, against your lvm or luks container/device |
| 14:43.30 | wols | benedikt: what cpu is it? and do you even use AES for LUKS? |
| 14:43.49 | hyper_ch | benedikt: http://paste.debian.net/77987/ |
| 14:44.08 | jelly | wols: I asked for a comparision between the cryptsetup backend device and the crypted one |
| 14:44.17 | wols | ah |
| 14:44.23 | hyper_ch | e7500 doesn't have aes-ni |
| 14:44.28 | benedikt | wols: yes, i used AES |
| 14:44.34 | hyper_ch | so it's hard on the cpu |
| 14:44.51 | jelly | e7500 sounds rather old and mobile |
| 14:45.23 | benedikt | jelly: not mobile, but rather old yes |
| 14:45.24 | f8l | dizzylizzy: IIRC the GUI has been discontinued. |
| 14:45.25 | Phenox_ | Hi all. I want to build a filer with Debian stable. The server that is going to be ordered for that purpose is an IBM x3650 M4 using a ServeRAID M5110e (OEM LSI MegaRAID PCIe 3.0) Controller. Does anybody know, if there are still issues with that controller in Debian 7.3? |
| 14:45.29 | jelly | benedikt: I could saturate a 200MB/s ssd with one core of an i3-540 cpu. used 70% of one core. |
| 14:45.56 | benedikt | jelly: 172 mb/sec for hdparm against /dev/sda1 |
| 14:46.14 | benedikt | but yes, hdparm is really old. is there a better and newer command line tool around? |
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| 14:46.30 | wols | benedikt: your encryption limits your disk throughput |
| 14:46.47 | jelly | benedikt: ok. This is a bit low, it's possible your controller only negotiates a SATA-1 (1.5Gbps = 180MB/s) link |
| 14:47.20 | benedikt | so my cpu is old and that limits the aes speed? |
| 14:47.53 | benedikt | i have an i7 at work, and that has indeed a aes flag |
| 14:47.59 | jelly | benedikt: that's likely. Can you do this: run dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/null bs=1M & in the background, and report dd CPU% usage in top while it's running |
| 14:48.02 | wols | jelly: with 170MB/s this doesn't look like SATA1 to me. and E7500 era has SATA2 |
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| 14:48.18 | jelly | wols: that's almost exactly the sata 1 limit. |
| 14:48.48 | jelly | wols: I got 180MB/s on an older laptop that did that. |
| 14:48.51 | wols | no. it's above sata1 limit. and I never saw the sata limit actually reached. it's always a few tens of MBs below that |
| 14:49.09 | wols | no SSD gets 350MB/s on a sata2 link either |
| 14:49.12 | jelly | wols: I mean, exactly 180MB/s. IT was weird. |
| 14:49.32 | jelly | wols: that SSD got 270MB/s on a sata 2 machine |
| 14:49.56 | wols | sata2 can do 300MB/s, so it's at least possible. 170 on sata1 is not |
| 14:50.04 | benedikt | jelly: about 40% |
| 14:50.08 | benedikt | so almost fully loads one core |
| 14:50.19 | jelly | benedikt: even without encryption. |
| 14:50.27 | benedikt | between 30-40% |
| 14:50.44 | benedikt | so what do? replace the cpu? |
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| 14:50.57 | jelly | benedikt: ok. fg and kill that dd, try the whole disk next: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1M |
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| 14:51.14 | jelly | benedikt: any significant difference in cpu% usage? |
| 14:51.48 | benedikt | behaves the same. starts at 40% and then drops down to just below 30% |
| 14:51.54 | jelly | (could be that in addition to the old cpu, your sda1 is also misaligned) |
| 14:52.05 | benedikt | misaligned? |
| 14:52.10 | wols | what are you trying to measure? sda and sda1 will giev the same result. only difference is the LBA starting sector |
| 14:52.23 | wols | oh, ssd. my bad |
| 14:52.34 | jelly | wols: and alignment of read requests. |
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| 14:53.55 | wols | the amount of cpu usage sounds quite high tho. |
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| 14:54.32 | jelly | benedikt: if it's the same, probably can't be helped. 30% spent on just IO and $deity knows how much is left for useful stuff |
| 14:54.47 | benedikt | lol |
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| 14:55.26 | benedikt | so I should replace the CPU? |
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| 14:55.58 | wols | benedikt: for encrypted partitions, get an cpu with AES-NI. AMD has cheaper ones than intel if you need one |
| 14:56.24 | wols | you will also need to replace the mainboard and most likely your RAM. so it's not necessarily a cheap upgrade |
| 14:56.25 | t0th_- | hi, i am tryng using apt-get update... but i have a problem |
| 14:56.28 | benedikt | Can i buy a i{3,5,7} and plug it into my motherboard or do they have other sockets? |
| 14:56.28 | t0th_- | debian 6 |
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| 14:56.35 | jelly | benedikt: I have no idea whether there's a LGA775 cpu with aes-ni |
| 14:56.46 | wols | benedikt: you need to buy a new cpu and a new mainboard at the least. probably new RAM |
| 14:56.51 | wols | there is none. |
| 14:56.53 | benedikt | i'm fairly certain i have DDR3, isn't that new enough? |
| 14:56.57 | t0th_- | https://gist.github.com/hussanhijazi/8579870 |
| 14:57.00 | t0th_- | can help me? |
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| 14:57.12 | wols | benedikt: DDR3 is fine. check lshw to see what RAM you have. |
| 14:58.10 | wols | t0th_-: looks like your DNS server is not good. change it to 8.8.8.8 at least temporarily? can you reach other hosts on the internet? |
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| 14:59.04 | jelly | benedikt: there do not seem to be any CPUs for that socket with aes-ni: http://ark.intel.com/search/advanced/?s=t&SocketsSupported=LGA775&AESTech=true |
| 15:00.04 | benedikt | great |
| 15:00.17 | wols | the first intel cpu with aes-ni was the lga1156 i5 line |
| 15:00.24 | benedikt | wols: it doesn't say DDR3, just "DIMM 400 MHz" |
| 15:00.26 | jelly | benedikt: but aes-ni is just an optimization. Many (all?) cpus branded i3, i5 or i7 will be capable of doing ~200MB/s even without aes-ni support |
| 15:00.35 | wols | benedikt: then it's not DDR3, it's DDR2 |
| 15:00.37 | jelly | benedikt: that's DDR or DDR2 |
| 15:00.55 | wols | no DDR1 for lga775 |
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| 15:01.03 | jelly | nod |
| 15:01.13 | benedikt | i swear the chips said DDR3 |
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| 15:01.23 | jelly | time for upgrade :-| |
| 15:01.46 | wols | benedikt: what mainboard does it have? lshw should tell you |
| 15:02.04 | jelly | or keep using it with 60MB/s bandwidth for the encrypted stuff, that's quite okay for normal workstation usage |
| 15:02.19 | benedikt | wols: Gigabyte EP45T-DS3R |
| 15:02.43 | wols | "Dual channel DDR2 1333+ for remarkable system performance" :) |
| 15:02.54 | benedikt | "remarkable" my ass :D |
| 15:03.13 | wols | it is still a good board. and it was "remarkable" back then |
| 15:03.14 | benedikt | i've been ogling a certain laptop recently. maybe its time.. |
| 15:03.23 | benedikt | wols: yes, its an excellent board |
| 15:03.37 | wols | benedikt: I suggest to set your FSB to 333 at least. makes your encrpytion faster :) |
| 15:04.11 | julius_ | hi |
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| 15:04.41 | julius_ | will these rules only allow openvpn traffic to be forwarded by my vps? http://pastebin.ca/2577699 |
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| 15:07.01 | me1234513413 | Hi all, new to Debian. Can someone tell me what sed and gnu are pertaining to Debian? |
| 15:07.24 | jelly | me1234513413: what do you mean? |
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| 15:08.10 | me1234513413 | Hi jelly I am being asked that question by someone doing our software... "the file is checking if you have sed and gnu patch installed" |
| 15:08.25 | julius_ | me1234513413, what is pertaining? |
| 15:08.29 | me1234513413 | I'm not sure what they means. |
| 15:08.51 | julius_ | im german, i dont know the word |
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| 15:09.30 | julius_ | jelly, youre second name is jelly-home? |
| 15:09.39 | hyper_ch | wols: it doesn't sound high... that's normal for CPUs without aes-ni.... |
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| 15:10.32 | wols | hyper_ch: his CPU runs at 266FSB, which is normal for CPUs of this age |
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| 15:10.57 | jelly | me1234513413: GNU sed is installed by default. I think GNU patch is not in the base system, but the "patch" package can be easily installed if not present. |
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| 15:11.45 | jelly | julius_: that's also me, yes |
| 15:12.01 | me1234513413 | jelly thanks for that. Do you happen to know where I can find that patch. We are running a patch on our server for magento software and getting errors, so that is what I was told to check. |
| 15:12.42 | jelly | me1234513413: install it the usual way. |
| 15:12.50 | wols | me1234513413: this "patch" is a debian package. you install it with apt-get install patch |
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| 15:12.58 | hyper_ch | wols: when I got my previous notebook it came with 2nd gen intel with aes-ni.... to compare it I did enable and disable aes-ni and tested it on luks and the difference was huge |
| 15:12.59 | jelly | me1234513413: which debian release are you using? |
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| 15:13.20 | wols | hyper_ch: don't tell me, I know. tell jelly :) |
| 15:13.27 | hyper_ch | ah ok :) |
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| 15:14.04 | jelly | wols: I already know that, swhy I have an i5 instead of i3 at home... |
| 15:15.26 | benedikt | wols: set the FSB in the BIOS? |
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| 15:16.06 | hyper_ch | FSB... always makes me think of Russia |
| 15:16.36 | me1234513413 | jelly Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.7 (squeeze) |
| 15:16.48 | wols | benedikt: yes |
| 15:17.24 | jelly | me1234513413: alright, care to pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" for sanity reasons? |
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| 15:17.44 | jelly | me1234513413: and "apt-cache policy libc6 patch", too |
| 15:17.52 | wols | benedikt: it will run your cpu 33% faster and therefore the encryption faster too |
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| 15:18.20 | me1234513413 | jelly what paste is recommended on this channel? |
| 15:18.24 | me1234513413 | pastie.org? |
| 15:18.38 | jelly | me1234513413: anything but pastebin.com is alright :-) |
| 15:18.39 | wols | paste.debian.net but anything but pastebin.com will do |
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| 15:20.04 | benedikt | wols: how could you tell what FSB i'm using now? |
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| 15:20.13 | me1234513413 | jelly here it is... http://paste.debian.net/77997/ |
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| 15:21.34 | wols | benedikt: you are using 266, cause that is what the CPU uses by default |
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| 15:21.50 | benedikt | so you are telling me to overclock? |
| 15:22.06 | wols | I suggest it, yes |
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| 15:22.21 | benedikt | i'm just baffled by the fact that because i have an older CPU, my SSD is as slow as a platter |
| 15:22.22 | jelly | me1234513413: lots of cruft there, but it looks to be mostly squeeze, ok. do an "apt-get update" and "apt-get install patch". |
| 15:22.29 | wols | the board is fine for it and so is the E7500. it should reach 4GHz even with proper RAM |
| 15:22.53 | Linnak | Hi, I'd like to know if I install XFCE, Cinnamon, LXDE and KDE on the same system and I use LXDE are the others which are not in use slows down th e computer or the same like I have just LXDE installed |
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| 15:23.00 | me1234513413 | jelly this is a production server...is this a very safe thing to be doing? |
| 15:23.13 | wols | benedikt: it is slow cause your are using encryption for it. without that you should get around 250MB/s reading with most SSDs. which SSD is it exactly? what model? |
| 15:23.26 | wols | benedikt: the SSD is still a lot faster cause 10ms vs. 0.1ms is still a big difference |
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| 15:24.11 | benedikt | wols: its an M4, i dont remember anything more specific, other than it is 128G |
| 15:24.15 | jelly | me1234513413: the safe thing to do (from a debian packaging system point of view) would be to remove those "precise" and "newrelic" and "dotdeb" repositories from the configuration first... but you probably have them for a reason. |
| 15:24.37 | jelly | me1234513413: installing patch is reasonably safe, yes |
| 15:24.40 | me1234513413 | jelly may I PM you? |
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| 15:24.55 | wols | benedikt: that's all that matters. the m4 is a good SSD but on your mainboard it can do max 250MB/s when you enable AHCI in BIOS |
| 15:25.02 | jelly | me1234513413: I don't give free help in PM. |
| 15:25.36 | jelly | me1234513413: you want a profesional consult, sure, but please keep the free stuff here on the public channel. |
| 15:25.43 | wols | benedikt: which is fine tho. even with current sata3 it's not really faster in real world tasks |
| 15:25.47 | me1234513413 | jelly okay, I just was trying to keep the conversation all together. |
| 15:25.48 | benedikt | would it be faster by disabling AHCI (this is out of my scope of knowledge) |
| 15:25.59 | benedikt | or is that the limit of SATA2? |
| 15:26.01 | wols | no. without AHCI it will be slower |
| 15:26.08 | wols | and the limit is sata2, yes |
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| 15:26.24 | wols | but the sata2 limit is not really relevant |
| 15:26.54 | benedikt | everything on this computer feels very slow.. firefox lags a lot. something is wrong. |
| 15:27.17 | hyper_ch | well, I like chromium better than firefox meanwhile |
| 15:27.41 | benedikt | (i prefer firefox) |
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| 15:28.39 | jelly | me1234513413: you can do a dry-run to make sure that nothing else will get installed along the way, pastebin the output if you want to confirm: apt-get -s install patch |
| 15:29.14 | me1234513413 | I'm just gonna do a quick backup image |
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| 16:11.41 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 16:11.41 | dpkg | <nvz> think about it ffs <tak_2> ffs? <nvz> !ffs <dpkg> rumour has it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or [...] <tak_2> I need to download fast file system? |
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| 16:18.55 | dFence | hey guys! anyone know a good tool to convert json to CSV and back? |
| 16:20.33 | jordanm | dFence: you can't put json in csv |
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| 16:20.45 | jordanm | dFence: json has nested data structures, csv does not |
| 16:20.54 | jordanm | dFence: you could go json <-> xml |
| 16:21.06 | nkuttler | or just dump the json into one field ;) |
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| 16:21.48 | dFence | jordanm: json <-> xml would be a start; I'd just need to extract the values anyways |
| 16:22.17 | jordanm | dFence: then why do any conversion at all? |
| 16:22.49 | jordanm | converting is going to be more difficult that extracting values |
| 16:22.52 | dFence | jordanm: I need it for a translation-job, the translation tool can't handle JSON (don't ask...) and the client's a royal pain in the ass, constantly messing around with the files |
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| 16:23.20 | nkuttler | dFence: just write a script that imports the values with a json lib for your language, and exports them through an xml lib.. |
| 16:23.39 | djp_ | is it possible to copy from an x-window session and paste into a tty session? i can do the reverse (from tty to X) but can only think i'd need to open a terminal session in X, copy and paste to that and then switch back to the tty session and again copy and paste from their into the relevant app. this, as it reads, seems completely un-productive. any advice, appreciated. |
| 16:23.56 | jordanm | you can build a csv if you only need to extract certain values into it, and not a real conversion of json -> csv |
| 16:24.10 | nkuttler | djp_: do you mean paste to the console? |
| 16:24.11 | jordanm | but the solution in any of these cases is going to be code that you write |
| 16:24.15 | dFence | nkuttler: I wasn't planning on spending that much time on it, it's more of a curtesy.. but if there aren't any proper tools for that, I guess I don't have much of a choice |
| 16:24.20 | n0arch | djp_: what wm are you using? |
| 16:24.23 | djp_ | nkuttler: yes |
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| 16:24.48 | djp_ | n0arch: ratpoison |
| 16:25.01 | nkuttler | djp_: look into gpm |
| 16:25.49 | n0arch | djp_: I would just install parcellite, tbh |
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| 16:26.09 | djp_ | nkuttler: will do. i was hoping to avoid that particular rodent... but if needs must! ;) |
| 16:26.18 | nkuttler | djp_: even better. not really sure gpm does x <-> console |
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| 16:26.29 | nkuttler | haven't touched gpm in a decade or so |
| 16:26.31 | djp_ | n0arch: not heard of "parcellite". will check this out. thanks. |
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| 16:27.15 | nathanael | anyone here willing to help me out fixing a permission issue in debian i want to enable sim card, with card reader via usb in wammu, "output: no permission to access /dev/ttyUSB2" suggesting to add user to group dialout... |
| 16:27.31 | thvle | Hello, guys, I have a question: the source code of a one software, is compilably for all SO's? |
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| 16:28.24 | nkuttler | thvle: SO? |
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| 16:28.38 | jelly | an OS put on its head |
| 16:28.39 | thvle | nkuttler: yes, GNU/Linux, Windows, FreeBSD etc |
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| 16:28.54 | n0arch | thvle: source code has to be compiled, during compilation it will be made to suit your OS |
| 16:28.56 | nkuttler | thvle: probably not all of it, but a lot |
| 16:29.00 | jelly | thvle: only if it's written intentionally to be portable |
| 16:29.12 | nathanael | (debian itself recognises the card reader - connection via utms is working, but now I want to edit address book, access texts and so on ;-) |
| 16:29.22 | nkuttler | thvle: some stuff depends on kernel features |
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| 16:29.33 | nkuttler | thvle: and others will drag in huge dependencies on windows.. |
| 16:29.42 | nkuttler | (like, a posix environment) |
| 16:29.46 | me1234513413 | jelly here is the output of what you asked me for. http://pastebin.com/3zGgcp8i |
| 16:29.47 | churnd | is this outdated? https://wiki.debian.org/motd |
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| 16:29.59 | nkuttler | churnd: why do you ask? |
| 16:30.05 | churnd | because i notice it's /var/run/motd.dynamic now |
| 16:30.20 | jelly | me1234513413: so it is installed already. |
| 16:30.22 | churnd | which the wiki doesn't refer to |
| 16:30.24 | thvle | ahh ok, then, for instance, GNU IceCat could be compiled for Windows, no? |
| 16:30.47 | nkuttler | churnd: yeah, could be outdated. if in doubt check the man pages or docs |
| 16:30.50 | me1234513413 | hmmm, then I wonder why it is throwing an error? |
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| 16:31.03 | bar7 | hello |
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| 16:31.06 | nkuttler | thvle: you probably want ##windows |
| 16:31.09 | jelly | me1234513413: that's a good question for the authors. |
| 16:31.15 | bar7 | what is the best way to upgrade to testing version? |
| 16:31.23 | bar7 | from wheezy to testiing? |
| 16:31.52 | jelly | me1234513413: do you, in fact, have a /usr/bin/patch and a /bin/sed binary? |
| 16:31.55 | nkuttler | bar7: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 16:32.09 | me1234513413 | jelly let me check that |
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| 16:32.41 | wols | bar7: without the spaces in front |
| 16:32.43 | djp_ | n0arch: parcellite looks interesting but not sure it will work for my scenerio. i don't mean copying into console session running under X but into a seperate tty cli session. sorry, i think i didn't explain that properly. thanks for the heads up on parcellite anyway. |
| 16:33.12 | churnd | nkuttler i'm trying to find correct info about update-motd.d & there doesn't seem to be much |
| 16:33.24 | churnd | i have scripts there, but they don't work |
| 16:33.32 | Shishire | So, I'm trying to setup a bonded network interface in jessie, but I don't see the option in network-connection-editor to add a wifi network to the bond. |
| 16:33.33 | me1234513413 | jelly yes to both of those. |
| 16:33.36 | kirkland | churnd: hi, what do you need to know? (fwiw, I wrote update-motd) |
| 16:33.52 | jelly | me1234513413: and do you have both /bin and /usr/bin in PATH? |
| 16:33.54 | churnd | unless i "rm /etc/motd && ln -s /var/run/motd /etc/motd" |
| 16:34.15 | churnd | which then works, but also uses motd.dynamic |
| 16:34.26 | KaaK | Anyone have much experience cross building packages using foreign chroots with qemu-user-static? I've set it up and it appears to work just fine, but I wasn't sure if any 'gotchas' are hiding in the shadows of using qemu-user-static vs. a full blown virtual machine. |
| 16:34.37 | me1234513413 | jelly what do you mean? |
| 16:34.52 | churnd | hi kirkland basically just looking for the correct way to handle update-motd currently |
| 16:35.04 | kirkland | churnd: right, yes, update-motd's output lands in /var/run/motd, and you'd need to symlink /etc/motd to /var/run/motd (it's generally not acceptable for programs to modify files in /etc) |
| 16:35.12 | jelly | me1234513413: uh... you don't know what PATH is? what does "echo $PATH" say |
| 16:35.28 | kirkland | churnd: I'm not sure about debian, as I work on Ubuntu, but Ubuntu defaults /etc/motd to symlink to /var/run/motd |
| 16:35.35 | jelly | dpkg, tell me1234513413 about path |
| 16:35.57 | churnd | kirkland i see, so it's a bit of a mixed up state then? |
| 16:36.15 | churnd | i mean i can always disable motd.dynamic |
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| 16:36.31 | kirkland | churnd: right |
| 16:36.34 | churnd | just thought i should be using motd.dynamic instead |
| 16:36.50 | kirkland | churnd: what is motd.dynamic? |
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| 16:37.31 | churnd | kirkland there's an init script on debian stable latest that creates it |
| 16:37.52 | churnd | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.57 | me1234513413 | jelly yes they both are in PATH |
| 16:38.18 | churnd | basically just runs "uname -snrvm > /var/run/motd.dynamic" |
| 16:38.28 | kirkland | churnd: hmm.... |
| 16:38.39 | kirkland | tries to find a debian system to poke at |
| 16:38.51 | churnd | i just set this server up too, so i nkow it's default behavior |
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| 16:40.47 | jelly | me1234513413: that's it then |
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| 16:41.48 | me1234513413 | jelly this is what is going on http://pastebin.com/ACq8RW8J |
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| 16:43.21 | jelly | me1234513413: is that software certified to run on debian 6? |
| 16:43.33 | me1234513413 | jelly yes |
| 16:43.47 | jelly | me1234513413: then it's buggy. |
| 16:44.29 | me1234513413 | jelly okay thanks, I guess I will have to dig a little deeper on this one. |
| 16:44.41 | jelly | me1234513413: one really common mistake people do is assume "sh" is really bash on Linux. Try running "bash PATCH_SUPEE-2619_EE_1.13.1.0_v1.sh" instead of "sh ..." |
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| 16:45.01 | jelly | me1234513413: if that works any differently, report that as a bug. |
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| 16:46.25 | nathanael | anyone knowing a good doc. about group management in debian (eg. terminal commnads?)? |
| 16:46.53 | churnd | nathanael man groupadd |
| 16:47.07 | me1234513413 | jelly I'll try that right now and let you know. |
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| 16:47.33 | nathanael | churnd: where from? |
| 16:47.54 | churnd | nathanael the terminal? |
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| 16:49.47 | me1234513413 | So maybe the first patch did work cause this file FileParserDataSource.php is there...? http://pastebin.com/L0rb8Ttn |
| 16:50.28 | jelly | me1234513413: note that the message said (at least one) patch got successfully applied |
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| 16:51.30 | me1234513413 | jelly so by running it with the bash, maybe it completed the patch? |
| 16:51.56 | jelly | me1234513413: it did that the first time. |
| 16:52.12 | jhutchins | On wheezy, what group memebership allows a user to shut down? |
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| 16:53.38 | me1234513413 | jelly so then it is safe to assume that everything is okay with my first patch run? I needed to do this on 5 sites, however if it is okay, I won't pursue this any further. |
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| 16:55.38 | nathanael | churnd: THX! |
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| 16:58.05 | jelly | me1234513413: if it were me, I'd extract the patch and try to revert it with --dry-run manually; if that seems successful, then it's reasonable to assume it got applied successfully in the first place |
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| 17:03.29 | jelly | me1234513413: it likely applied just fine, and the checks are buggy. Your software people don't seem to even know the difference between centos and debian, so it's quite possible they can't interpret the output of their own script, either |
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| 17:03.54 | cek | how do i make packages for debian on rhel? |
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| 17:08.53 | me1234513413 | jelly you are saying to revert? like sh filename.sh -R ? The patch is a php script that magento wrote to allow their software to work with php 5.4 |
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| 17:10.48 | jhutchins | cek: Set up a debian chroot? |
| 17:10.48 | jelly | me1234513413: I'm saying I'd look at what the script does, and do patch -R --dry-run < patch-file manually |
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| 17:12.18 | me1234513413 | jelly |
| 17:12.22 | me1234513413 | thanks |
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| 17:18.16 | jelly | you're welcome |
| 17:18.19 | jelly | !next |
| 17:18.19 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
| 17:18.39 | jelly | dpkg: sometimes you just backfire |
| 17:18.39 | dpkg | jelly: I give up, what is it? |
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| 17:42.51 | Devastator | odd, there is no wheezy-backports in backports.debian.org |
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| 17:44.14 | Mikaela | I wondered about that once too. Maybe there just aren't backports for it yet. |
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| 17:44.33 | jelly | Devastator: correct, the mirrors for wheezy-backports are elsewhere. |
| 17:44.46 | jelly | Devastator: and their web site is a bit confusing |
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| 17:45.08 | Devastator | jelly still official? |
| 17:45.11 | jelly | yes. |
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| 17:45.27 | Devastator | thank god :) |
| 17:45.40 | Devastator | oopss, thank debian team hah |
| 17:45.46 | nashant | Hey guys. I'm trying to install debian along side windows on an mSATA SSD. However Debian doesn't actually see the windows partitions, just the whole mSATA as free space |
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| 17:46.29 | jelly | Devastator: see the instructions on http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/, and replace the YOURMIRROR stuff NOT with a Debian mirror, but with a site from the list on http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ page |
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| 17:48.30 | Devastator | too late :( |
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| 17:49.29 | jelly | Devastator: sorry. bdo people have been notified that the instructions are confusing multiple times already. |
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| 17:50.02 | Devastator | hehe, no problem |
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| 17:51.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | I want to make myself a partial mirror... how can I ask dpkg or some other thing to verify signatures for stuff in it? |
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| 17:52.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | For starters, is there some way to ask the package manager to verify signatures for a given package? I remember it couldn't be done some time ago. |
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| 17:53.15 | ctmjr | nashant: I believe you should partition the disk in windows and then install debian to the new empty partition |
| 17:53.24 | L337hium | i maybe messed up some permissions. can someone please tell me the correct file permission and ownership for /usr/local (whezzy). thank you! |
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| 17:54.23 | n0arch | for everything in local? |
| 17:54.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | L337hium: likely the same as for /usr, which should be root:root 0755. |
| 17:54.59 | Devastator | jelly well, it is confusing now: Debian mirror http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/dists does have a wheezy-backports folder, backport mirror http://sft.if.usp.br/debian-backports doesn't have wheezy-backports, only squeeze-backports |
| 17:55.34 | jelly | Devastator: yes, that's how they roll. |
| 17:55.34 | Devastator | I now understand why you say it is confusing |
| 17:55.39 | L337hium | Eduard_Munteanu: what about the stickbit? rwxrwsr-x ? |
| 17:55.57 | Devastator | so squeeze-backports from their mirror is in fact wheezy-backports? |
| 17:56.13 | nashant | ctmjr: I'd love to, but debian doesn't see any partitions on the mSATA! Even though there are |
| 17:56.21 | jelly | Devastator: no, squeeze-backports is squeeze-backports. wheezy-backports just shares the path structure with other wheezy stuff. |
| 17:56.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | L337hium: normally off, you don't have group/others write permissions anyway |
| 17:56.33 | nashant | I'm using the non-free firmware netinst cd, could that be the problem? |
| 17:57.18 | L337hium | Eduard_Munteanu: that was my problem! ;) thanks |
| 17:57.19 | Devastator | jelly so basically, wheezy-backports is not ready to use at this moment.. |
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| 17:57.53 | jelly | Devastator: why? Just use the correct deb line. |
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| 17:59.36 | jelly | Devastator: deb http://sft.if.usp.br/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 18:00.00 | jelly | Devastator: so yeah, the line for that backports mirror on http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ for wheezy is just wrong |
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| 18:00.18 | Devastator | jelly ok, I just got confused by exactly that |
| 18:00.18 | jelly | Devastator: did I mention their web site was confusing? |
| 18:00.31 | Devastator | yeah hahah |
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| 18:00.40 | lionrouge | hi ppl |
| 18:00.41 | jelly | it's a fucking mess |
| 18:00.58 | lionrouge | is dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb still working? |
| 18:00.59 | Devastator | I wish I could help with that.. |
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| 18:02.18 | ksk | lionrouge: yap, but debian guide says you should use cat |
| 18:02.24 | ksk | !tell lionrouge about usb_install |
| 18:02.38 | ksk | tell me about usb install |
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| 18:02.44 | lionrouge | what is the difference i wonde... |
| 18:02.45 | jelly | Devastator: #debian-backports is right over there on OFTC. But like I say, people have already told them multiple times. If I remember correctly, some even provided patches. At this point they're possibly waiting for squeeze to die to fix all the references. |
| 18:02.46 | ksk | !tell lionrouge about usb install |
| 18:02.47 | ksk | this was.. |
| 18:03.06 | lionrouge | ksk, doesn't work |
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| 18:03.12 | ksk | lionrouge: cat has a different buffersize set per default ( you can adjust dd with bs= ) |
| 18:03.22 | lionrouge | ok |
| 18:03.25 | ksk | lionrouge: see whaqt mr bot wrote you |
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| 18:03.44 | lionrouge | oh it uses PM |
| 18:03.54 | lodle | Morning, if we want to get our pacakge included in the debian repo, can we statically link against libv8? |
| 18:04.11 | lionrouge | ksk, thanks |
| 18:04.20 | Devastator | jelly this sounds like the behavior of a distro right around the corner :P |
| 18:04.24 | Devastator | not debian.. |
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| 18:05.18 | jelly | Devastator: I don't worry about it too much as long as the backported packages keep coming |
| 18:05.36 | jelly | messy? yeah. but workable |
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| 18:06.36 | Devastator | jelly as long as they keep the quality of the packages.. you sure don't want a backported package like their site :) |
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| 18:17.33 | altphi | cd d |
| 18:17.41 | altphi | oops, sorry |
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| 18:19.28 | fmedina | hello, quick question, I am trying to run untangle 10 on an IBM 3650 m4 server, but keep getting a cannot reserve video memory error at boot, I figure since it is based on Debian, someone here might help, I ahve benn through all web pages I can find |
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| 18:19.50 | fmedina | If there is an untangle specific channel I apologize |
| 18:19.57 | wols_ | !based on debian |
| 18:19.57 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 18:20.18 | wols_ | fmedina: I suggest ##linux |
| 18:20.27 | fmedina | wols_, thanks |
| 18:20.29 | fmedina | sorry all |
| 18:20.43 | phy1729 | that link should be updated to http://futurist.se/gldt/ |
| 18:21.05 | phy1729 | oh never mind my client just included the ) |
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| 18:21.52 | wheN1 | hi all. i have installed PURE debian without any printer drivers. How can i now install drivers for printer? I have 4 DVDs |
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| 18:22.22 | wols_ | wheN1: depends on the printer. install CUPS first |
| 18:22.43 | wols_ | !tell wheN1 about cups setup |
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| 18:23.18 | wheN1 | thank you |
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| 18:29.01 | Devastator | funny, linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae depends on linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae-dbg, which is 295MB :) |
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| 18:29.57 | wols_ | *shudder* |
| 18:30.09 | wols_ | not really funny. a case for equivs if I ever saw one |
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| 18:31.27 | oo_miguel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:31.43 | Devastator | wols_ equivs? |
| 18:31.49 | wols_ | !equivs |
| 18:31.49 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 18:32.09 | wols_ | Devastator: so you don't need to install 295MB of debugging junk |
| 18:32.16 | Devastator | exactly |
| 18:32.30 | wols_ | Devastator: isn't backports using a 3.12 kernel by now? |
| 18:32.48 | Devastator | not from the repos I guess |
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| 18:32.57 | wols_ | ,kernels |
| 18:32.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.8-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.6-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 18:33.07 | Devastator | meh |
| 18:33.26 | wols_ | try to install 3.12. is this still for your sempron? |
| 18:33.35 | Devastator | yup |
| 18:34.20 | Devastator | ah, much better, no dbg package.. |
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| 18:34.46 | Devastator | as jelly pointed, backport repos are messy |
| 18:34.48 | nashant | ok, anyone out there know why the debian installer wouldn't see the partitions on my mSATA SSD? |
| 18:35.08 | wols_ | nashant: usually it can't see the sata controller |
| 18:35.28 | nashant | wols_: So how do I do this then? |
| 18:35.30 | wols_ | nashant: ctrl+alt+f2 and run "cat /proc/partitions" there? |
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| 18:35.54 | wols_ | nashant: what partitions are there supposed to be on your ssd? |
| 18:37.02 | nashant | wols_: That sees the partitions fine. A 100mb windows system reserved, and a 70gb windows system |
| 18:37.15 | wols_ | then the installer should too |
| 18:37.22 | nashant | but it doesn't... |
| 18:37.32 | wols_ | it sees the ssd itself? is this a MBR or GPT partition table? |
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| 18:39.17 | Devastator | these new kernels are so damn fast |
| 18:39.32 | wols_ | huh? there is no real speed increase |
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| 18:39.41 | cek | !next |
| 18:39.42 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 18:40.12 | wols_ | probably 2.6 was the last one where you got actual speed increases due to stuff being O(n) or even O(1) compared to 2.4 |
| 18:40.14 | nashant | wols_: Dunno. How do I find out? |
| 18:40.36 | Devastator | wols_ I find them so lightweight |
| 18:40.39 | wols_ | nashant: fdisk -l I think that one doesn't show GPT tables |
| 18:40.45 | wols_ | Devastator: how so? |
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| 18:41.43 | Devastator | wols_ booted on this old sempron in 13 secs |
| 18:42.20 | wols_ | the kernel is the smallest thing when booting, BIOS and sysvinit usually take longer |
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| 18:42.58 | Devastator | nods |
| 18:43.17 | Devastator | now lets backports some packages :) |
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| 18:43.42 | ChibaPet | !sns |
| 18:43.42 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 18:44.17 | wols_ | ChibaPet: dpkg is laaaaame. we people with sns all run sid |
| 18:44.26 | cek | i dont' get it about modern debian package creation. what tool should I use? |
| 18:44.30 | wols_ | with some experimental packages of course |
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| 18:44.45 | wols_ | cek: editor of your choice |
| 18:44.52 | cek | rhel for example comes with rpmdev-* set of tools for .spec manipulation and rpmbuild for package assembly |
| 18:45.04 | cek | i'd like to create it fast and forget about it |
| 18:45.13 | wols_ | cek: dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 18:45.26 | cek | what is equivs? |
| 18:45.38 | jordanm | cek: the equivelent would be "devscripts", "debhelper" and dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 18:45.47 | jordanm | cek: pbuilder would be the equivilent of mock |
| 18:46.33 | petn-randall | wols_: Running sid you have the "I love making Debian better which is why I'm a volunteer tester"-syndrome. :D |
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| 18:47.16 | nashant | wols_: fdisk doesn't give me the GPT error, so I can only assume it's MBR |
| 18:47.36 | jordanm | nashant: newer versions of fdisk support gpt |
| 18:47.48 | wols_ | nashant: try expert install maybe? |
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| 18:48.01 | cek | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main distro-info-data all 0.16~deb7u1 |
| 18:48.01 | cek | what the hell |
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| 18:49.01 | caraconan | Hi there. Running Jessie netinst on a RAID-1 and installing from USB stick I see "no efi partition was found", but I continued anyway. Since I'm sure I will not be able to boot the system, what should I do? Disable EFI from the "BIOS" on the machine? Thanks |
| 18:49.02 | jordanm | nashant: parted -s /dev/sdx print # will show the partition label |
| 18:49.17 | cek | that's a lot of docs to read in order to make a simple package that would shitout a couple of files into system |
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| 18:51.06 | Devastator | why motherboard manufacturers protect windows so much? that efi thing is unbelievable |
| 18:52.22 | rukzero_ | Devastator: microsoft dominates the market and manufacturers get loads of subsidations for complying with ms |
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| 18:55.04 | caraconan | Devastator: how to proceed? |
| 18:55.13 | nashant | wols_, jordanm: Expert installer is having the same problem |
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| 18:55.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | How do you check signatures for a .deb? |
| 18:55.32 | caraconan | There's anything that I can disable on the BIOS? |
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| 18:56.09 | wols_ | nashant: you could use do a debootstrap install... |
| 18:56.38 | wols_ | caraconan: is CSM used? |
| 18:56.51 | wols_ | caraconan: is uefi boot actually used? |
| 18:56.52 | caraconan | wols_: sorry, don't get that acronym |
| 18:57.15 | caraconan | I do not use uefi as far as I'm aware |
| 18:57.19 | wols_ | CSM is basically a compatibility layer so UEFI acts as the normal old BIOS |
| 18:57.30 | wols_ | caraconan: what mainboard or what hardware is it? |
| 18:57.42 | wols_ | and is there any otehr OS already installed? |
| 18:58.04 | caraconan | Motherboard I need to check it, just a home server |
| 18:58.15 | caraconan | And I'm experiencing the issue with RAID 1 + LVM |
| 18:58.21 | caraconan | Before with RAID 1 was able to boot |
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| 18:58.43 | nashant | wols_: So I could load up the live session and do a debootstrap install from there? |
| 18:58.47 | caraconan | I have the option to create a LV with an EFI boot partition, I'll do that |
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| 18:58.50 | caraconan | 200MB is fine? |
| 18:58.51 | wols_ | nashant: yes |
| 18:59.23 | wols_ | nashant: so the installer sees your msata disk but thinks it's empty? |
| 19:00.19 | nashant | wols_: It is GPT, according to parted. |
| 19:00.22 | nashant | Yeah, that's right |
| 19:01.21 | wols_ | then I guess use debootstrap. |
| 19:01.37 | wols_ | nashant: is this UEFI hardware? is the other OS windows 8? |
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| 19:02.51 | nashant | wols_: It is UEFI, but it doesn't seem to be enabled. Or so the BIOS says (Only gives me weird network boot options for UEFI). Other OS is Win 7 |
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| 19:03.36 | ompaul | dpkg: friend Iridos |
| 19:03.36 | dpkg | ompaul: no idea |
| 19:03.42 | ompaul | thougth you didn't |
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| 19:05.15 | asc232 | Eduard_Munteanu, pone /nick tu-nombre |
| 19:05.39 | asc232 | Eduard_Munteanu, try dpkg-sig in dpkg-sig package |
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| 19:07.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | asc232: thanks... I don't get the first thing you said though. |
| 19:07.56 | Devastator | how to put the output of a command into a file?! command >> file? |
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| 19:08.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | Devastator: look up bash redirection, >> appends. |
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| 19:09.05 | wols_ | Devastator: >> adds the output of the existing file. > creates the file or overwrites the old |
| 19:09.08 | jelly-home | Devastator: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/InputAndOutput#Redirection |
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| 19:09.31 | Devastator | thanks :) |
| 19:09.33 | phy1729 | do note that the redirection is done as the user and not as root if using sudo |
| 19:10.00 | Devastator | I hate sudo |
| 19:10.16 | phy1729 | I love sudo, what don't you like about it? |
| 19:10.30 | Devastator | reminds me ubuntu :( |
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| 19:11.07 | phy1729 | sudo is standard in all *nix es I've come across including bsds |
| 19:11.19 | caraconan | Devastator: I passed from this phase, now I'm sane again :) |
| 19:11.53 | nashant | wols_: I suppose the other option is to wipe the windows install, install debian, install windows, load the debian live image, chroot and reinstall grub |
| 19:12.04 | rukzero_ | phy1729: sudo is not even part of Debian's base install and many reject it for being insecure for divers reasons |
| 19:12.22 | wols_ | nashant: are you using UEFI boot in windows? secureboot? |
| 19:12.23 | phy1729 | rukzero_: it is part of base if you don't give the root user a password |
| 19:12.47 | wols_ | nashant: you can do a gpt/mbr hybrid partioning scheme. basically you have two partition tables which say the same thing |
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| 19:13.42 | cek | https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian is not written for end users |
| 19:13.59 | cek | simply put, i don't understand it |
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| 19:14.49 | dot | hello, i amnot able to connect to remote host: |
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| 19:15.01 | dot | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 19:15.10 | farciarz84 | congrats debian, you are more popular then Ubuntu |
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| 19:15.32 | farciarz84 | that's actually great |
| 19:15.46 | nashant | wols_: No, no secureboot |
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| 19:16.25 | cek | what utility would create , for example, debian/compat file? |
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| 19:17.24 | jordanm | cek: dh_make |
| 19:17.48 | jordanm | cek: but do you really need to generate something that just contains a single integer? |
| 19:18.05 | jordanm | also, it only applies to packages which use debhelper |
| 19:18.22 | diz---232 | After I close a game that runs in low resolution the monitor doesn't resize any idea why |
| 19:18.22 | cek | im a human, i don't care about abi/api/all that |
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| 19:18.39 | cek | if a tool needs something non-human, let it generate it |
| 19:18.44 | diz---232 | I only see the upper left hand corner of gnome the rest is black |
| 19:19.05 | dot | hello, i amnot able to connect to remote host: |
| 19:19.07 | dot | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 19:19.14 | dot | anyone experianced same problem ? |
| 19:19.19 | jordanm | cek: the file basically tells debhelper which features you are allowing it to have compatibility with |
| 19:19.25 | relipse | apt-get install pastebinit is not working THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. |
| 19:19.32 | relipse | how can i use debians pastebin |
| 19:19.37 | relipse | like it used to work fine |
| 19:19.38 | jordanm | cek: if it could determine that at runtime by parsing make or w/e, it wouldn't need the file |
| 19:20.09 | jordanm | relipse: pastebinit supports other pastebin sites, use another one |
| 19:20.14 | cek | I mean the whole concept seems flawed to me |
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| 19:20.22 | relipse | jordanm: i know like what? |
| 19:20.33 | jordanm | relipse: pastebinit -l |
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| 19:20.53 | jelly-home | relipse: pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net |
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| 19:20.59 | jelly-home | !pastebinit |
| 19:21.00 | jordanm | cek: file a bug, write a replacement, etc |
| 19:21.00 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 19:21.27 | jordanm | cek: debhelper is not mandatory for creating packages, but it's pretty standardized these days because it's way better than anything anyone else has came up with |
| 19:21.30 | absdf342 | Hi, I have a vfat usb stick mounted with fmask=0055 (i.e. all files get -rw--w--w- ), now I as root want to change permissions of certain file with chmod to something else... how do I achieve this - chmod seems to be ignored and the file permissions remains the same? |
| 19:21.31 | caraconan | I think I'm not able to disable (even if that's possible) UEFI on the motherboard. Any other tip to install Debian jessie 64 bits with RAID 1 + LVM ? |
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| 19:22.16 | jelly-home | caraconan: try #debian-next for help with jessie, and perhaps #debian-boot for help with the installer |
| 19:22.30 | jelly-home | caraconan: sorry, both are over on irc.oftc.net, not here on freenode |
| 19:22.38 | jordanm | caraconan: the BIOS option is usally listed as enabling legacy boot |
| 19:23.20 | caraconan | jordanm: so, I should find a setting to enable BIOS legacy compatibility on the UEFI menu? I double checked but no dice |
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| 19:23.45 | cek | jordanm, sincerely speaking, I'd love to thrash our debian systems, but we depend on them. We have beatifully automated stuff on EL and we're totally fine with it. |
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| 19:24.18 | cek | https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging says I should "Step 1: Rename the upstream tarball". dh_make manpage says "the current directory |
| 19:24.19 | cek | needs to be in the format of <package>-<version>." |
| 19:24.36 | absdf342 | is it possible at all? |
| 19:24.41 | cek | they contradict each other. And that's official documentation. |
| 19:24.55 | jordanm | cek: yes, you have been very clear that you like RPM and don't care to learn anything else. |
| 19:25.12 | cek | I don't like RPM at all. I like gentoo build files. |
| 19:26.00 | jordanm | cek: I am not sure about that guide you are looking at. it's doing a lot of stuff manually that dh_make would do for you |
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| 19:26.07 | jordanm | !tell celc about nmg |
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| 19:37.42 | cek | "dh_make must be invoked within a directory containing the source code," . okay. Hit <enter> to confirm: |
| 19:37.42 | cek | Could not find apf-9.7.1_14.orig.tar.gz |
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| 19:38.06 | cek | no, really, this is up to point now. IS there any working tool that would help me debianize the package? |
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| 19:40.18 | nonconvergent | I'm upgrading my kernel to the current bpo kernel. Do i need to pick a version by name or just go with linux-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64? |
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| 19:40.53 | GNU\colossus | nonconvergent, just `apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image-amd64` |
| 19:41.05 | GNU\colossus | that'll make sure you always get the latest kernel image from bpo |
| 19:41.09 | nonconvergent | GNU\colossus: Thanks. Do my graphics drivers need any attention to? |
| 19:41.14 | GNU\colossus | nope. |
| 19:41.15 | nonconvergent | s/to/too/ |
| 19:41.19 | GNU\colossus | it just works |
| 19:41.32 | GNU\colossus | there's no xorg stack backport to be had (yet?) |
| 19:41.55 | nonconvergent | GNU\colossus: Last time I tried propietary nvidia wasn't bpo'd and wouldn't build with the kernel at the time. |
| 19:41.58 | cek | okay, "alien" helped me! |
| 19:42.11 | GNU\colossus | ah, well - proprietary drivers are anybody's guess |
| 19:42.11 | nonconvergent | This machine uses intel so that's not an issue but it might be on the other. |
| 19:42.18 | nonconvergent | which is nvidia |
| 19:42.23 | GNU\colossus | Intel works fine, at least up to Ivy Bridge |
| 19:42.31 | nonconvergent | GNU\colossus: Thanks. Trying to setupt a local jessie chroot for Steam. |
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| 19:42.34 | GNU\colossus | (I don't have Haswell yet) |
| 19:43.07 | nonconvergent | need at least kernel 3.6 apparrently |
| 19:43.20 | jelly-home | GNU\colossus: sometimes there are matching backports for nvidia |
| 19:43.46 | jelly-home | might have imagined those |
| 19:44.16 | GNU\colossus | jelly-home, yeah, maybe - I don't know though, and I'm too lazy to go look ;) |
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| 19:44.31 | GNU\colossus | (not for prorpietary blobs tainting anyone's kernel, that is) |
| 19:45.15 | Dennix | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU3OTc !!!Now who is going to develpo debian if devs are going to waste all their time gaming????!? |
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| 19:47.37 | psychuil | hello, i would like to contribute, but have no idea how :D |
| 19:47.42 | rivarun | Dennix: i'd make such a great dev. i find games so boring |
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| 19:48.14 | jhutchins | !contribute |
| 19:48.28 | psychuil | omg, there's a bot response for it? |
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| 19:48.52 | jhutchins | psychuil: Apparently not. |
| 19:49.04 | GNU\colossus | psychuil, sure. human interaction is largely replaced by a very small Tcl script this day and age. |
| 19:49.08 | psychuil | Why'd you think there is one |
| 19:49.09 | psychuil | ? |
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| 19:49.26 | psychuil | GNU\colossus, telll me about it, irc is dying |
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| 19:50.23 | rivarun | psychuil: http://www.debian.org/intro/help |
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| 19:51.22 | jhutchins | psychuil: I think there is one, but I don't know the keyword. |
| 19:51.36 | psychuil | rivarun, which of those would entitle someone with a 'contributor' title? :) |
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| 19:51.44 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 19:52.05 | johnfg | My emailing a scanned image in xsane isn't working. |
| 19:52.20 | johnfg | I'm running wheezy and latest xsane. |
| 19:52.21 | rivarun | psychuil: you'd be a contributor to me |
| 19:52.43 | johnfg | I'm using same info in the xsane setup as in evolution, but I'm still getting a failure. |
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| 19:53.18 | oo_miguel | how can I check if my soundcard is capable of capturing the playback so I can record it |
| 19:53.20 | jhutchins | psychuil: Generally, "contributor" means you have submitted code which has been accepted. |
| 19:53.22 | oo_miguel | ? |
| 19:53.41 | oo_miguel | in alsamixer I can choose somet thing called : mix, but it seems not to work :( |
| 19:53.44 | jhutchins | johnfg: Can you send mail from the system? |
| 19:53.54 | johnfg | jhutchins: yup. |
| 19:54.11 | jhutchins | johnfg: can you send mail from the command line (mailx)? |
| 19:54.31 | jhutchins | johnfg: Did you configure the mail feature in xsane? |
| 19:54.36 | mauww | what is af_packet? |
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| 19:55.14 | johnfg | jhutchins: I'm assuming you mean off the system, right? And yes, I configured the mail feature in xsane. |
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| 19:59.02 | Linnak | I1ve just installed Teamviewer with the deb file for Wheezy, but there isn't in the startmenu |
| 19:59.06 | johnfg | jhutchins: No, I can't email off-site from the cli: mailing to remote domains not supported. |
| 19:59.19 | ksk | hey guys. how did i strace a process - and all its children automagicly again? |
| 19:59.40 | ksk | -f. nevermind |
| 20:00.11 | johnfg | jhutchins: But in the xsane email config, it asks for the SMTP server, so is this really an issue? |
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| 20:01.24 | jhutchins | johnfg: So you're just trying to email on the machine, locally? |
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| 20:02.04 | jhutchins | johnfg: I don't remember if it has a sendmail option, but the SMTP server would either be localhost or whatever server you use. |
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| 20:04.22 | Linnak | Sorry guys if it's too easy question for you and don't feel challenge but I really want to know why isn't shortcut in the menu |
| 20:04.54 | GNU\colossus | Linnak, that's probably because the teamviewer developers did not create their package correctly. |
| 20:05.10 | GNU\colossus | (did not include a proper .desktop file to be installed into the correct location, or something) |
| 20:05.40 | Linnak | Thanks. Is there a way to fix this or shpuld I remove this app |
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| 20:06.09 | GNU\colossus | Linnak, you could probably create your own user-specific .desktop file to start it from your DE's menu |
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| 20:06.57 | GNU\colossus | Linnak, http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=122418.0 |
| 20:07.20 | rivarun | psychuil: are you sure you don't want the 'developer' title? |
| 20:08.00 | Devastator | any idea why this compilation fails? I'm trying to backport iptables 1.4.21 to wheezy, judd checkbackport says wheezy has satisfies build-dependencies: http://codepad.org/dThRhlbP |
| 20:08.24 | psychuil | rivarun, that sounds like more work then i can afford at the moment |
| 20:08.30 | psychuil | i wish i could though |
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| 20:09.41 | Linnak | GNU\colossus, Thank you |
| 20:11.12 | GNU\colossus | Linnak, hope that works for you |
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| 20:12.51 | Linnak | GNU\colossus, I'm working on it. |
| 20:13.01 | johnfg | jhutchins: Right. I'm actually using smtp.gmail.com. |
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| 20:18.03 | jelly-home | Devastator: the paste got cut at line 548 and no error can be seen |
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| 20:20.31 | JoshuaP | what vga format does getty give out by default? |
| 20:20.38 | Linnak_ | GNU\colossus, Finally i did it. I created a launcher from/opt/teamviewer9/tv_bin/script/teamviewer. But while I did this Debian logged out unexpectedly. This happens on Ubuntu and Debian OS all the time. Logs out 3-4 times a day |
| 20:20.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: vga format? getty doesn't do anything like that |
| 20:20.58 | GNU\colossus | Linnak_, that hints at something crashing your X session. |
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| 20:21.57 | JoshuaP | when you do ctrl+alt+f1-f6, what format does the terminal give out? |
| 20:22.05 | Devastator | jelly-home can you recommend another paste site? paste.debian.net maybe? |
| 20:22.17 | Devastator | jelly-home or is this too big for any paste site? |
| 20:22.24 | jelly-home | Devastator: dunno, try it and see |
| 20:22.28 | JoshuaP | my monitor doesnt like the format it gives. |
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| 20:22.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: try using fbset to query it, e.g. fbset -s |
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| 20:23.19 | jelly-home | does not know about any specific pastebin site limites other than his own |
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| 20:24.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: chvt 1; sleep 1; fbset -s; chvt 7 should work even in an X terminal if you can't see and type. |
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| 20:24.58 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: kind of haveto be root for chvt |
| 20:25.04 | Devastator | jelly-home maybe this one? http://www.pastebin.ca/2579521 |
| 20:25.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | I suppose so. |
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| 20:25.44 | JoshuaP | open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 20:26.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: what video card and driver are you using? |
| 20:26.23 | JoshuaP | no idea |
| 20:26.28 | JoshuaP | how do i check |
| 20:26.36 | jelly-home | Devastator: for a one-off build I'd probably make a fake "check" target in the extensions/ subdir |
| 20:27.00 | germs | dmesg might have that info |
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| 20:27.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: try 'lspci -k' and look for VGA |
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| 20:29.29 | JoshuaP | Eduard_Munteanu: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c10364b4/ |
| 20:29.35 | cek | i'm following https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging but i don't get why debuild wants me to have original tar being present as I already unpacked the source into current dir? |
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| 20:30.43 | balleyne | I'm running squeeze. Need to update poppler-utils to the version available in wheezy. Can I do something like `apt-get install -t wheezy poppler-utils`? Or do I need to do something more complicated with pinning in my apt preferences? |
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| 20:32.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: what does 'cat /proc/cmdline' say? |
| 20:32.38 | JoshuaP | BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-23-generic root=UUID=70e153b7-3e5a-4ce8-a71e-5b9bc735c1b1 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7 |
| 20:33.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: ok, looks like you might have not installed NVIDIA proprietary drivers correctly. |
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| 20:34.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: did you blacklist nouveau and nvidiafb? |
| 20:34.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 20:42.21 | JoshuaP | Eduard_Munteanu: where would i find amd graphics drivers? |
| 20:42.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: er, AMD? You have an NVIDIA card. |
| 20:43.19 | jelly-home | 3.5.0-23-generic doesn't sound like debian |
| 20:43.20 | JoshuaP | i have another laptop that has amd and gnome seems kind of glitchy, i just thought, since i was here anyway, maybe i could be pointed in the right direction |
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| 20:44.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: normally, for both NVIDIA and AMD, you already have the open drivers installed. |
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| 20:44.45 | jelly-home | JoshuaP: is that your real debian system booted or a live cd? |
| 20:44.50 | balleyne | Can anyone help me with pinning? Trying to install a package from wheezy in squeeze (poppler-utils). Is pinning the right strategy? All the pinning instructions I see are about stable/testing/unstable, but I'm looking at oldstable/stable -- anything that I need to do differently? |
| 20:45.03 | JoshuaP | jelly-home: the laptop? |
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| 20:45.48 | jelly-home | balleyne: pinning is not the right strategy. Don't ever install binary package from something newer on oldstable or stable, use ready-made or make backports if you need. |
| 20:45.51 | jelly-home | to. |
| 20:46.01 | jelly-home | ,v poppler-utils |
| 20:46.02 | judd | Package: poppler-utils on i386 -- squeeze: 0.12.4-1.2+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.12.4-1.2+squeeze3; wheezy: 0.18.4-6; jessie: 0.18.4-10; sid: 0.22.5-4; experimental: 0.24.5-1 |
| 20:46.09 | JoshuaP | Eduard_Munteanu: is it possible for me to be able to do a text-based (not graphical) installation without running into this issue? |
| 20:46.22 | JoshuaP | ot should i go searching for new monitors? |
| 20:46.28 | jelly-home | JoshuaP: the one that /proc/cmdline is from |
| 20:46.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: both text and graphical installation should work out of the box |
| 20:47.29 | jelly-home | judd: checkbackport poppler-utils |
| 20:47.37 | jelly-home | oops. |
| 20:47.48 | JoshuaP | monitor says "Input Signal Out of Range. Change Settings to 1280x1024 - 60Hz" |
| 20:47.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: you should also stick with the open drivers by default, especially for AMD cards |
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| 20:47.59 | judd | Backporting package poppler-utils in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual. |
| 20:48.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: what sort of display is that? |
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| 20:48.31 | JoshuaP | HP L1750 |
| 20:48.32 | Tenkawa | greetings all |
| 20:48.34 | jelly-home | judd: checkbackport poppler-utils --fromrelease wheezy --torelease squeeze |
| 20:48.39 | judd | Backporting package poppler-utils in wheezy→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.16.1), libgirepository1.0-dev (>= 1.31.0-2~), gobject-introspection (>= 1.31.0-2~). |
| 20:48.42 | Tenkawa | any of you running debian on a arm chromebook by chance? |
| 20:49.00 | jelly-home | balleyne: and backporting looks like a lost cause |
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| 20:49.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: is it connected on VGA? If yes, can you connect it on DVI/HDMI/DP? |
| 20:49.52 | JoshuaP | vga seems to be the only port on the box |
| 20:50.01 | JoshuaP | and it is running on vga, yes |
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| 20:50.44 | Tenkawa | trying to isolate an x11 startup problem |
| 20:51.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: try booting with the vga=none kernel parameter (not entirely sure Debian obeys that) |
| 20:52.05 | jelly-home | JoshuaP: is this actually a debian system at all? |
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| 20:53.07 | jelly-home | or are you only just installing |
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| 20:53.30 | balleyne | jelly-home, thanks so much for your help. So, I suppose my remaining options are compiling from source (though, may still have problems with the build dependencies there?), otherwise just waiting until I can upgrade the whole system from squeeze to wheezy? |
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| 20:54.07 | JoshuaP | jelly-home: it's admittedly ubuntu, yet i want to switch the system over to debian. Also i hate asking #ubuntu for help. i just need to get this console issue out of the way so i can proceed |
| 20:54.08 | jelly-home | balleyne: what do you need it for? You might set up a separate wheezy chroot |
| 20:54.57 | jelly-home | JoshuaP: I hate giving inappropriate advice to ubuntu users. |
| 20:54.58 | JoshuaP | Eduard_Munteanu: how do i set those parameters? it does that monitor error from startup |
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| 20:55.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm. |
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| 20:56.41 | JoshuaP | jelly-home: ubuntu is debian-based and a lot of debian fixes seem to work on ubuntu. i barely see how it is inappropriate |
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| 20:56.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: you could try installing in a VM using the live HDD, if you install to a different disk or partition. |
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| 20:57.50 | JoshuaP | Eduard_Munteanu: well, do you know of any monitors i should target, if all else fails? |
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| 20:57.53 | jelly-home | !ubuntu |
| 20:57.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 20:58.37 | JoshuaP | throws arms up and flails around at jelly-home saying "nyaaahhhhhh" and turns away |
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| 20:59.07 | cek | how do i tell debian/rules to install files into some directories? i don't use Makefiles or autoconf tools. |
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| 20:59.18 | balleyne | jelly-home: some devs are reporting that the behaviour in the squeeze poppler-utils is causing problems with a process, but the wheezy version works fine. Never heard of using chroot like that. I can set up a wheezy chroot on a squeeze server? Is https://wiki.debian.org/chroot where I should be looking for more on that? thanks! |
| 20:59.19 | Tenkawa | runs startx on his chromebook and it blanks the screen then locks up the whole machine |
| 20:59.27 | jelly-home | JoshuaP: however, if you have issues with debian-installer going to weird graphic mode, you could try the fb=false boot parameter |
| 20:59.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: it shouldn't do that over a digital link like DVI-D / HDMI / DP... either your monitor provides wrong timings on VGA or the syslinux on the install CD is messed up, or something along those lines. |
| 20:59.49 | JoshuaP | jelly-home: where do i enter it when it doesnt let me see anything |
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| 21:00.16 | jelly-home | JoshuaP: oh, type it in blindly and press enter |
| 21:00.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | JoshuaP: that's why I'm suggesting a VM |
| 21:00.54 | local | hey all. I would like to check if the public IP accepts a connection on port 25. As I see it doesn't reply to a ICMP request (no pong), and if I use 'telnet 1.1.1.1 25' it also times out. However I suspect that a TCP connection takes place (3-way-handshake). I tried to tcpdump but I don't know how to interprete the results. Anyone can help and provide me the necessary answer to that? |
| 21:01.00 | jelly-home | (untested, I can't confirm that's supposed to work at this time) |
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| 21:01.48 | JoshuaP | :/ |
| 21:02.05 | JoshuaP | Eduard_Munteanu: well thanks anyway, if i have more questions, i will drop back in |
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| 21:02.54 | jelly-home | local: telnet indeed tries to establish a tcp connection. |
| 21:03.18 | local | jelly-home: so what is going on there? |
| 21:03.31 | Devastator | jelly-home thanks, but it is strange that it doesn't show any errors to the other dirs |
| 21:03.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | local: you can use an online port scanning service. If you configured iptables to block that port, it shows you how many packets that rule fired on |
| 21:03.33 | Tenkawa | local: what makes you think its connecting? |
| 21:03.41 | jelly-home | local: do you have a working shell on the machine that's supposed to be running a service on tcp/25? |
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| 21:04.47 | Tenkawa | tries to not crash his box again |
| 21:05.02 | balleyne | local, have you tried using netcat? I'm not sure if it's the best tool for the job, but I find it easiest to use, e.g. if an SMTP server is listening on port 25, `netcat 1.1.1.1 25` should return something like "220 domain.tld ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)" |
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| 21:05.05 | jelly-home | local: if you don't have control of the smtp server, there's nothing much to learn |
| 21:05.09 | local | Tenkawa: the circumstance, that Qmail (=MTA) is trying to connect to this fake MX record and it doesn't continue to delay-connect to the next MX for that particular domain. I have googled and found that Qmail does not strictly use RFC and Qmail is outputting the message, that it could reach 1.1.1.1:25 but then it timed out. That's really weird |
| 21:05.40 | local | jelly-home: No, 1.1.1.1 is not my own IP. This IP was used as a fake MX record |
| 21:05.48 | Tenkawa | local: if telnet 1.1.1.1 25 times out its blocked/unreachable |
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| 21:05.56 | Tenkawa | if it was reachable you would get connection refused |
| 21:06.24 | local | and we got the issue, that one MTA which uses Qmail show exact that behaviour, that it says it can connect to this address+port but then times out. I do not understand that |
| 21:06.25 | jelly-home | local: having a fake mx record with lowest priority indicates your recipient domain really doesn't want mail delivered |
| 21:06.29 | Tenkawa | if not really running |
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| 21:07.08 | jelly-home | local: are you sure your telnet is replicating the qmail-send connection correctly (using the same source ip if you have multiple IPs)?: |
| 21:07.11 | Tenkawa | the most annoying thing about this x11 problem is that it locks up solid with no debugging |
| 21:07.20 | Tenkawa | jelly-home: good point |
| 21:07.21 | jelly-home | erm. qmail-remote, sorry |
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| 21:08.02 | jelly-home | local: what's the recipient domain in question? |
| 21:08.09 | Tenkawa | ok.. time to try this again.. brb if I crash |
| 21:08.31 | local | jelly-home: that's not the problem, it's me using 1.1.1.1 as fake IP for the lowest priority MX. I just would like to answer: how can I tcpdump and interprete, if a connection to 1.1.1.1:25 is accepting a 3way-handshake ? It isn't important for me to know, if further data is able to be exchanged. I just want to know if a connection can be established (syn, syn+ack, ...) and if the further stream somehow is blocked or dr |
| 21:09.24 | jelly-home | local: tcpdump on the smtp client machine won't tell you much more than a successful or failed telnet connection will. |
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| 21:10.01 | jelly-home | (or a nc -z, which has a nice exit code) |
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| 21:10.18 | mooperd1 | Where should I be putting scripts and bits and bobs of functional things in the filesystem? |
| 21:10.27 | local | nc -z 1.1.1.1 25 doesn't give me any output either |
| 21:10.54 | Devastator | jelly-home I don't mean to discard your suggestion, but do you know where I can get more information about this build problem? |
| 21:10.55 | jelly-home | local: sure it does -- it gives a successful (zero) exit code, or an unsuccessful (nonzero) one |
| 21:10.57 | Tenkawa | whoah |
| 21:11.00 | Tenkawa | no crash |
| 21:11.24 | Tenkawa | doesnt seem to be doing anything either though |
| 21:11.36 | jelly-home | local: if nc -w5 -z localhost 25; then echo yay; else echo boo; fi |
| 21:11.37 | Devastator | and I actually don't know how to create a fake check for extensions dir heh |
| 21:12.25 | jelly-home | Devastator: it's the right time to learn about MAKEFILES, then! |
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| 21:12.38 | local | jelly-home: ok, I understand the nc -z command now. |
| 21:13.24 | jelly-home | local: you didn't want tcpdump. You wanted a tcp service scanner. |
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| 21:14.36 | cek | what's the equirewalent of rpm -ql -p .rpm ? |
| 21:15.09 | local | jelly-home, Tenkawa, balleyne: so, how is that possible --> http://abload.de/img/clipboard01jvd61.jpg ? |
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| 21:16.20 | local | syn ,syn-ack, ack, fin, ack, rst |
| 21:16.26 | jelly-home | local: wherever you're routing 1.1.1.1 to seems to have a listening service on tcp/25 |
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| 21:16.45 | local | jelly-home: ? |
| 21:17.14 | jelly-home | local: telnet -b 10.41.0.90 1.1.1.1 25 ought to have connected as well |
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| 21:18.14 | local | jelly-home: I am sorry, I don't understand. Can u explain more specific please? |
| 21:18.28 | jelly-home | local: which OS are you running that telnet command on? |
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| 21:18.33 | DammitJim | oh my jelly-home teach me something, what is this -b business on telnet? |
| 21:18.42 | jelly-home | DammitJim: yeah, pretty much |
| 21:18.48 | local | in that case it was Windows, and putty was used to telnet to 1.1.1.1 port 25 |
| 21:18.51 | DammitJim | we bind it to what? |
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| 21:19.13 | DammitJim | is that like doing a -D on ssh ? |
| 21:19.20 | jelly-home | local: and putty connected somewhere. What does this have to do with Debian? |
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| 21:20.27 | michaelmath | I just updated my packages and ip forwarding is always disabled on boot? regardless of sysctl.conf |
| 21:20.59 | local | jelly-home: I am sorried, it was pretty the wrong channel for that question. Just saw it, that I am on the #debian channel. Dooh?! :( sorry |
| 21:21.14 | jelly-home | it happens, no prob |
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| 21:21.51 | Tenkawa | well that didnt go so well |
| 21:22.06 | local | jelly-home: but could you still please explain to me? What did you mean with "putty connected somewhere" ? In the screenshot you see that putty tries to connect to IP 1.1.1.1 and in putty there was the checkmark in "telnet" and port 25 was used. |
| 21:22.40 | jelly-home | DammitJim: oh, you're not being sarcastic? On a machine with multiple IP addresses configured, you can choose which one to use as the source ip to establish a connection from, "to go out as" |
| 21:22.53 | DammitJim | oh cool! |
| 21:23.02 | DammitJim | simple things I learn every day@! |
| 21:23.13 | jelly-home | local: it means a tcp connection was established. Apparently, someone also typed in "QUIT" as well |
| 21:23.37 | Tenkawa | just needs to figure out why X wont startup without crashing the whole machine heheheheh |
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| 21:24.21 | local | jelly-home: hmm...this screenshot is not made from me, so I cannot understand what the hell "he" did. Me myself, I tried from several hosts around the world to connect to 1.1.1.1:25 and I get no connection established. So how the hell did "he" succeed in connecting to this IP 1.1.1.1 ? |
| 21:24.25 | jaggz | darn, my laptop's wifi won't connect when I upgraded to squeeze |
| 21:24.26 | local | hmmmmmm |
| 21:24.29 | local | wondering |
| 21:24.33 | jaggz | iwlist scanning shows my router |
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| 21:24.51 | jaggz | etc/network/interfaces has it listed .. I was using wpa_supplicant too.. |
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| 21:25.18 | jaggz | it's an old ibm t40 thinkpad |
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| 21:27.04 | nathanael | I'm using debian on a very old machine, was working very well, though after last "testing" updates the Gnome desktop started working, since then the machine is almost not able to do anymore |
| 21:27.23 | nathanael | *3 D Desktop |
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| 21:27.48 | local | jelly-home: are you able to do a quick sniff and try to connect to 1.1.1.1:25 and see if you can get a connection or not? |
| 21:28.00 | Tenkawa | uggh |
| 21:28.09 | jelly-home | local: 1.1.1.1 does not seem like a valid public address! |
| 21:28.42 | jelly-home | remarks: + Address blocks listed with this contact |
| 21:28.42 | jelly-home | remarks: + are withheld from general use and are |
| 21:28.42 | jelly-home | remarks: + only routed briefly for passive testing. |
| 21:28.43 | nathanael | is it possible to disable the 3D of the Gnome Desktop and get it running simple again or do I have to change to another desktop? |
| 21:28.48 | stnblck | jaggz: my t42 has intermittent issues with that as well, it's these intel chipset wifi cards |
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| 21:29.06 | cek | any debian packagers out there? |
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| 21:30.31 | local | jelly-home: how is it possible that me cannot connect to this ip+port (tested from several hosts, three different countries, sniffed and no connection was possible). And how is it possible that the guy ("he") was able to connect to this IP (same date/time) ? |
| 21:30.36 | local | any suggestions? |
| 21:31.04 | jelly-home | local: I can't guess what your network looks and feels like. |
| 21:31.48 | michaelmath | cek: yes |
| 21:32.15 | michaelmath | lots of packagers in here.. I gtg |
| 21:32.20 | cek | michaelmath, i've got a so-called native package, with a lot of files. Now I want to install those files over filesystem. I don't use autoconf tools. |
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| 21:32.51 | local | jelly-home: that's why I asked you (or anyone else) if he could try and tell me what the result on your side is. Is it possible for you to connect to this IP and port or not? And the major question is: How was "he" able to connect... *headshaking* do not understand that, really weird |
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| 21:33.59 | cek | I'm just trying to mimick what I'm seeing in %install section of this rpmspec: %{__install} -m 0750 %{buildroot}%{apf_dir}/apf %{buildroot}%{_sbindir}/apf |
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| 21:34.31 | cek | %{_sbindir} being system's default /usr/sbin dir -- I guess I can't use variables in debian/package.* files... |
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| 21:34.40 | jelly-home | local: it doesn't work. whois information for that block, pasted above, explains why it doesn't work. |
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| 21:35.28 | jaggz | stnblck: well, since wifi is working, I think it might be an issue with wpa_supplicant right? |
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| 21:35.43 | jaggz | are you familiar with the needs here? also.. are your intermittent problems things that arise from upgrades? |
| 21:35.58 | local | jelly-home: I would assume so, yes. I still cannot understand why the one guy I told you before is telling me, that his host (10.41.0.90) can connect to 1.1.1.1:25 . I really cannot understand that |
| 21:36.19 | jaggz | who's 1.1.1.1? |
| 21:37.01 | jelly-home | local: because there's something weird on his windows machine or his network that makes it possible. |
| 21:37.28 | Tenkawa | are you sure its going to "your" 1.1.1.1? |
| 21:37.46 | jelly-home | local: eg. antivirus and/or software intercepting all tcp traffic |
| 21:37.55 | jelly-home | erm, all smtp traffic |
| 21:38.05 | jelly-home | local: this is just a wild-ass guess. |
| 21:38.16 | cek | another problem I'm facing... I'm trying to list files installed by debian package. how do I do that? |
| 21:38.23 | cek | rpm -ql -p essentially |
| 21:38.41 | Devastator | local as Gregory House, from House M.D. TV series once said, everybody lies |
| 21:38.49 | jhutchins | cek: dpkg -L <package> |
| 21:39.06 | cek | not in dpkg database, for *.deb file. |
| 21:39.15 | jhutchins | cek: Is the file installed? |
| 21:39.22 | cek | of course not and won't be |
| 21:39.34 | jhutchins | cek: Well duh. WOn't work with RPM either. |
| 21:39.47 | cek | it will. see above. "-p" will make it work. |
| 21:39.50 | jhutchins | cek: I'm not sure if apt-file or apt-cache could do what you're after. |
| 21:40.23 | local | jelly-home: that would be possible, that he is running a software tool which intercepts somehow the traffic. Who knows... however, in fact I can be sure that 1.1.1.1 is not connectable on port 25. Thanks a lot to all |
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| 21:40.48 | Tramp | local: look at the timestamps in the screenshot. The syn-ack from "1.1.1.1" comes just 3ms after the syn was sent. So it is something pretty local which is answering |
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| 21:41.30 | jhutchins | cek: rpm -ql -p totem |
| 21:41.30 | jhutchins | error: open of totem failed: No such file or directory |
| 21:41.41 | cek | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.49 | Tramp | local: this may be some sort of proxy or the like, which intercepts everything, as jelly-home already said |
| 21:41.54 | jhutchins | cek: If the file is local. |
| 21:42.02 | cek | jhutchins, reread my question please |
| 21:42.34 | jhutchins | cek: I read it accurately the first time, you did not specify that the package was a local file. |
| 21:44.01 | cek | apt-file is trying to download filelist from remote server. This ISNT what I want. I want to list file contents of locally lying deb package. |
| 21:44.03 | cek | rpm -ql -p |
| 21:44.17 | jordanm | cek: dpkg -L |
| 21:44.19 | cek | shit, why is it everything so hard in debian. Guys, do you even use the system? |
| 21:44.29 | cek | jordanm, for local, not installed file |
| 21:44.31 | jordanm | cek: dpkg --contents file.dpkg |
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| 21:44.50 | cek | jordanm, finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:45.02 | jordanm | cek: how is that more difficult than rpm -qa -p? |
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| 21:45.19 | jhutchins | cek: You're asking about an unsual outlying case. We're just fellow users trying to help. |
| 21:45.34 | jhutchins | jordanm: We didn't tell him instantly. |
| 21:45.40 | cek | jordanm, it's not harder, it's just me who's not accustomed to 1000 of tools in debian |
| 21:45.45 | jordanm | cek: you seem to be spiteful that you have to learn something new |
| 21:45.55 | jordanm | we are not forcing you to do so |
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| 21:46.05 | cek | i'm struggling with a simple task for 5 hours already |
| 21:46.17 | cek | the same task was ready with RPM in an hour or so |
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| 21:46.27 | cek | thanks to MAX RPM guidebook (2000) |
| 21:46.28 | DelphiWorld | hi guys |
| 21:46.35 | DelphiWorld | i have a server using bnx2 nick |
| 21:46.45 | DelphiWorld | install suck so much there :) |
| 21:47.15 | jordanm | !tell DelphiWorld about bnx2 |
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| 21:47.39 | DelphiWorld | jordanm: lol allready runing... touk a day to get it up |
| 21:47.58 | cek | I think all that debian package maint tools were written by topdevs for topdevs. And they don't like simple users sticking their nose into pkgdev. |
| 21:48.00 | jordanm | DelphiWorld: should have just been as easy as using the firmware-included installer |
| 21:48.07 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: the official unofficial firmware images can be of help there |
| 21:48.21 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell DelphiWorld about firmware images |
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| 21:48.43 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home & jordanm thx :P |
| 21:48.58 | local | Tramp: you're right, didn't see that before. So this guy is running somehow a proxy or any other tool on his net or (vLAN) or whatever. Who knows |
| 21:49.03 | local | thanks for this hint |
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| 21:49.25 | Tramp | local: From the MAC info, it's a Fortigate |
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| 21:51.03 | ToApolytoXaos | question: are lighttpd mods permitted for editing, or should i create my own .conf file to add my virtual host in it? cheers |
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| 21:51.51 | jhutchins | cek: As a Red Hat user for more than ten years and a Debian user for about ten, I have to say that both of the systems work pretty well and have about the same degree of accessibility. It's just a matter of learning them, and they are very seperate systems. |
| 21:52.14 | jelly-home | jhutchins: one is clearly better, though! |
| 21:52.26 | jelly-home | hides |
| 21:52.27 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Well, we certainly LIKE one better. |
| 21:52.41 | jordanm | I would agree that red hat's documentation is better though |
| 21:53.29 | cek | jhutchins, I'm not theoretizing. I'm asking specific questions about specific problem. I know how to accomplish it in RPM. I don't know how in debian. I'm reading guides but they are either 1) badly written, very light 2) very hardly written, for those who wrote the tools -- not for end users |
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| 21:54.00 | cek | Specific task now is: How do I make a symlink in debian package in %install section? |
| 21:54.01 | jhutchins | I dunno, I have to suffer RH every day, and you can often not tell if the doc you're looking at is current. I suppose that's true of Debian as well. |
| 21:54.37 | cek | I tried editing debian/package.links , but I don't see any results. |
| 21:54.41 | jhutchins | Should we send him to #debian-mentors? |
| 21:55.00 | jhutchins | cek: You ought to try getting help with packing in Centos. |
| 21:55.02 | jordanm | jhutchins: no, not unless he plans on uploading his package |
| 21:55.14 | cek | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.23 | jhutchins | cek: I guess you'll just have to suffer with us. |
| 21:55.28 | cek | that's how it's accomiplshed in rpm spec. How is it done in debian? |
| 21:55.41 | jhutchins | cek: Yeah, maximum rpm is great. |
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| 21:56.04 | jordanm | cek: rules is a makefile. you can write anything that is valid make |
| 21:56.09 | cek | actually, the book is WAY outdated -- its from 2000, but even with that book I'm able to achieve my goals. |
| 21:56.15 | jelly-home | !nmg |
| 21:56.15 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 21:56.21 | jordanm | I already linked that |
| 21:56.24 | cek | jordanm, i have no idea about Makefile rules. |
| 21:56.38 | cek | im not a developer, i don't codde C or autotools |
| 21:56.38 | jelly-home | is a bear |
| 21:57.02 | cek | i'm into ruby. I'll write a manifest in ruby if you'd like that will accomplish the goal |
| 21:57.08 | jhutchins | cek: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ http://www.debian.org/devel/ http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 21:57.14 | cek | but in ruby, not in debian/rules Makefile like file :) |
| 21:57.22 | jelly-home | jhutchins: are you a bear too? |
| 21:57.24 | cek | jhutchins, that guide tells: |
| 21:57.35 | jhutchins | cek: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics |
| 21:57.36 | jordanm | cek: ok, well, in make you would use... the ln command |
| 21:57.36 | cek | 5.13. package.links If you need to create additional symlinks in package build directories as package maintainer, you should install them using dh_link(1) by listing their full paths of source and destination files in a package.links file. |
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| 21:58.04 | jhutchins | Apparently I am. |
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| 21:58.14 | jordanm | or there you go, dh_link |
| 21:58.38 | cek | What's more funny is that they write " their full paths" and at the same time dh_link(1) shows "dh_link usr/share/man/man1/foo.1 usr/share/man/man1/bar.1" -- relative paths. |
| 21:58.50 | cek | official documentation contradicting utility manuals |
| 21:59.20 | jordanm | cek: full != absolute |
| 21:59.22 | jhutchins | cek: Perhaps when you get this all figured out you could document it, date the document, and share? |
| 21:59.43 | cek | jhutchins, guy, i'm working per hour. Who's gonna compensate that? |
| 21:59.47 | jordanm | although that is ambiguous |
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| 22:00.12 | jhutchins | cek: The same people you are paying for the software and documentation you're using. |
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| 22:00.38 | cek | maybe in usa, you can warfare when writing debian, but in my reality our people have to work hard in order to live |
| 22:00.42 | cek | welfare |
| 22:00.45 | cek | lol |
| 22:00.57 | jelly-home | jhutchins: how much do you get per hour of doing help in #debian, ehhh |
| 22:01.06 | jhutchins | cek: Documentation of the process should be part of the project spec. |
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| 22:01.24 | cek | jhutchins, fuck yeah, man. Tell that debian devs please. |
| 22:01.33 | jhutchins | cek: It remains that you owe a debt to those who provided those tools to you. Whether you pay that debt is your own choice. |
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| 22:02.56 | cek | It's complicated question. You know, I'd better pay someone who makes my life troublesome and lets me concentrate on doing *real* tasks and not on patching stuff and looking for workarounds. |
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| 22:03.15 | cek | troubleless in this case lol |
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| 22:03.48 | jordanm | cek: I'm available for consulting |
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| 22:06.28 | cek | well, obviously, I was using package.links instead of apf.links |
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| 22:07.16 | jordanm | cek: you probably could have also just used a file called "links" if your source package only builds a single binary package |
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| 22:14.35 | Fuzai | links cek to jordanm |
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| 22:15.21 | verodeb | hi ppl |
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| 22:17.17 | verodeb | is it possible to establish ssh public key between two machines BUT at the same only letting login one way like from a to b BUT NOT the reverse from b to a |
| 22:17.18 | verodeb | ?? |
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| 22:17.51 | jelly-home | verodeb: that's the way it works by default. |
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| 22:18.18 | vjt | verodeb: yes, you can define a forced command alongside with the SSH key |
| 22:18.43 | vjt | verodeb: then, when the ssh server authenticates on that key, it'll ignore whatever command the client sends to it, and execute the forced command instead |
| 22:18.57 | verodeb | well normally i send public key for each other, so a=>b and b=>a is allowed |
| 22:19.05 | vjt | verodeb: that's how, for example, github and other git providers grant you git access via SSH without granting you a shell |
| 22:19.05 | verodeb | i just want a=>b |
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| 22:19.08 | jelly-home | verodeb: so don't do that. |
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| 22:19.40 | vjt | you can have the public key on A that says forced_command="/bin/echo not allowed" |
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| 22:21.18 | vjt | example: http://larstobi.blogspot.de/2011/01/restrict-ssh-access-to-one-command-but.html |
| 22:21.34 | vjt | and it's command=, not forced_command= as I stated before, sorry |
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| 22:21.40 | verodeb | that sounds good, is that done in /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
| 22:21.55 | cek | okay, thanks. everything seems to be okay now ;) |
| 22:22.08 | vjt | verodeb: nope, it's done in ~user/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 22:22.15 | vjt | as it's a per-key setting |
| 22:22.43 | verodeb | ho ok, and is this strong against hackers? |
| 22:22.54 | vjt | in sshd_config you can define other matches, e.g. by group, login, etc |
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| 22:23.20 | jhutchins | verodeb: All you need to do is not put the public key for b in a's authorized keys file. |
| 22:23.27 | vjt | verodeb: I'd say "attackers", not "hackers" :-) anyway the strenght of a cryptographic exchange relies on the key |
| 22:23.32 | jhutchins | verodeb: No config required. |
| 22:24.59 | ChibaPet | cek: So, for packaging stuff, there's a #debian-mentors channel on OFTC. Don't know if anyone pointed you at it. Might be useful for you. |
| 22:25.03 | verodeb | ty i will try |
| 22:25.12 | vjt | jhutchins: thanks - I misread the original question :) |
| 22:25.29 | verodeb | ty both |
| 22:25.36 | jhutchins | verodeb: You can also simply comment out the key if it's already there. |
| 22:25.58 | cek | ChibaPet, with 4 people.. no thanks :) |
| 22:26.07 | jhutchins | vjt: I have a small farm where I need to implement that limit instead of using the scponly pseudoshell. |
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| 22:26.35 | vjt | jhutchins: I've used that in the past to allow rsyncs instead :) |
| 22:26.44 | jhutchins | ChibaPet: He isn't publishing, so technically that's not a resource for him. |
| 22:28.53 | jhutchins | cek: So if I were you I'd at least document it for my own future reference, and then you might as well post that somewhere. |
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| 22:31.26 | echo083 | after watching numerous videos my screen freezes i can move the mouse but I can't click on anything i'm sure the pc is working as i can ping it so it is my graphic card which fails ? |
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| 22:34.34 | donvito | how i can make system send me mail in /var/mail/username about pcscd service restarting every hour |
| 22:34.35 | donvito | ? |
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| 22:35.19 | jhutchins | echo083: can you switch to a console? |
| 22:35.29 | nkuttler | donvito: cron? |
| 22:35.34 | donvito | yes |
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| 22:35.45 | nkuttler | donvito: which part of that do you need help with? |
| 22:35.53 | echo083 | jhulst, no i can't ctrl+alt+Fx but i can ssh my pc |
| 22:36.03 | echo083 | jhutchins, no i can't ctrl+alt+Fx but i can ssh my pc |
| 22:36.13 | donvito | well i have setup a line in cron to restart my pcscd service everyhour, and now debian send me mail about that restart process |
| 22:36.26 | nkuttler | donvito: oh, you *don't* want the mail? |
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| 22:36.32 | donvito | yes |
| 22:36.41 | donvito | cause it gets to big the logmail |
| 22:36.44 | nkuttler | donvito: redirect output to /dev/null |
| 22:36.57 | nkuttler | donvito: or use chronic |
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| 22:37.08 | donvito | how to do that? |
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| 22:37.21 | donvito | how to redirect to /dev/null |
| 22:37.23 | donvito | im newbie on this |
| 22:37.31 | nkuttler | donvito: man bash, see redirection |
| 22:37.49 | nkuttler | donvito: but look as well into chronic, in moreutils |
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| 22:44.49 | mo1991 | is there a way to move a wheezy system to a backup drive - the entire system - and then move it back after wiping the drive? Im looking to encrypt the drive |
| 22:45.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: yes, quite a few ways |
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| 22:45.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: if you don't encrypt the backup drive prior to moving it, don't forget to wipe after restoring the backup. |
| 22:46.04 | mo1991 | Eduard_Munteanu - can i just copy / over to backup drive and then copy it back after a fresh install of debian from a live boot cd or something? I've been trying to reasearch this but havent found a good methid |
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| 22:46.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: depends how you copy /, you likely want to preserve fs attributes |
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| 22:47.33 | mo1991 | true - if I backup to an ext3 drive it should preserve the fs attributes, correct? |
| 22:47.34 | ChibaPet | mo1991: I prefer dump/restore for this kind of thing, assuming you're using ext. |
| 22:47.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: I'd do a squashfs backup |
| 22:48.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: not always, depends if the backup tool does |
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| 22:48.35 | mo1991 | when I restore do I need to first do a fresh install of debian and then copy over the backup / info |
| 22:48.38 | mo1991 | ? |
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| 22:48.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: no, not really |
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| 22:49.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: but you might want to do it to set up encryption and perhaps get a slimmer and uptodate system. |
| 22:49.45 | mo1991 | Eduard_Munteanu - how do i get the grub, etc setup then? |
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| 22:49.54 | ChibaPet | mo1991: Note, however, that if you're changing your system dramatically, bits of it will have to change. For instance, your system needs to know how to boot from the new layout. |
| 22:50.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: you can run grub-install from a rescue cd / usb key, after chrooting |
| 22:50.36 | ChibaPet | mo1991: Might be worth seeing if you can just back up /home and whatever configs and logs you want to preserve, and then selectively copying those back to the new system. |
| 22:50.39 | mo1991 | right - but if I copy the backuped up / to a fresh debian install it will then reinstate all of my programs, configs, etc correct? |
| 22:52.10 | mo1991 | ChibaPet - this is what I've done in the past, just backup /home and then reinstall debian and move /home back, but I now have a more complicated setup, with apache, drupal, custom ssh configs, custom firewalls, tor, etc. Reinstalling all the packages is a pain, and moving all the configs back is a pain too. Much easier if I could just backup / and then copy it back - not sure if this works tho |
| 22:52.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: that doesn't seem right... either back up all of it, or backup only your data and reinstall |
| 22:52.53 | ChibaPet | mo1991: If you do a complete back-up, just be ready to adjust your GRUB and initramfs, etc. |
| 22:52.54 | donvito | nkuttler |
| 22:53.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: btw, you might want to look into configuration management systems |
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| 22:53.10 | mo1991 | I would back up all of / - then wipe drive - then encrypt drive - and then copy it back. Just wondering if I need to do a fresh install for grub etc before copying it back |
| 22:53.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: no, surely not |
| 22:53.26 | donvito | i added this echo '0 * * * * root service pcscd restart' | sudo tee -a /etc/crontab |
| 22:53.41 | donvito | and now i got mail every hour, how can i stop mails how to redirect do devnull |
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| 22:54.06 | ChibaPet | 0 * * * * root service pcscd restart > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 22:54.42 | mo1991 | Eduard_Munteanu - ok if I don't need a fresh debian install, what do I do, just create a blank / and home partition and then copy the data back and run a grub update to get booting to work? |
| 22:54.44 | ChibaPet | That's kind of a big hammer to have to use for something though, restarting it every hour. |
| 22:55.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: no, you'd need to set up encryption yourself |
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| 22:56.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: you could boot the debian installer and stop it just after it partitions stuff, or just install a minimal system |
| 22:56.49 | mo1991 | sorry I forgot that step. i know how to encrypt the drive. What I'm really asking is that once I have a full backup of /, I can just copy it back to the wiped/encrypted blank / partition and run grub-update and be good to go? |
| 22:56.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: however mounting said system would be more complex |
| 22:57.11 | cusco | hi |
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| 22:57.21 | cusco | I connect a usb device, and then I get on dmesg: device descriptor read/64, error -71 |
| 22:57.29 | donvito | ChibaPet i need to edit the line i told you or add this too |
| 22:57.34 | cusco | this means that probably the device is broken, right? |
| 22:57.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: yes, but grub-install I think |
| 22:57.58 | ChibaPet | donvito: If you just add that as well, it'll restart twice and generally be subject to race conditions and badness. |
| 22:58.06 | mo1991 | ok, I just have never been sure if I could just copy / back to blank or minimum install to bring back all programs, configs etc. |
| 22:58.09 | ChibaPet | donvito: You want to edit the crontab. |
| 22:58.14 | donvito | okk |
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| 22:59.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: I wouldn't copy on top of a new install, rather just preserve the essential files like fstab and clean up the rest |
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| 23:07.45 | mo1991 | Eduard_Munteanu - why not copy onto fresh install ? As long as I used a live disk to do the copy so I'm not overwriting files in use? It's the only way to simply restore all of the programs and configs that I know of? Is there any reason it wouldn't work? |
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| 23:08.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: because you could end up with extra files |
| 23:08.59 | BullSherd | Wow, what a things of google. http://goo.gl/pF3kWN |
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| 23:09.15 | ruif13 | :P |
| 23:09.17 | ruif13 | hia |
| 23:09.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | Which may or may not have an effect. |
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| 23:09.46 | ruif13 | greatttttttttt |
| 23:09.48 | mo1991 | Eduard_Munteanu, why would there be extra files? |
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| 23:11.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: who knows, maybe packages you don't have installed or config files you deleted on purpose. |
| 23:11.31 | mo1991 | ok, that makes sense |
| 23:11.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | Versus a fresh install. |
| 23:12.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: you have to sort out which files from the fresh install you want to keep, anyway. |
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| 23:12.41 | mo1991 | so your saying to restore to a blank / drive instead, thus ensuring everything is identical |
| 23:13.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: no... if you're ok with configuring encryption manually, just do that instead and update your configuration. |
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| 23:14.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: e.g. configure encrypted block devices, restore backup, configure bootloader+fstab+etc |
| 23:14.18 | mo1991 | Well, I do want to do a backup and copy back to drive once it is encrypted |
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| 23:15.26 | mo1991 | if I restore the backed up / directory, wouldn't fstab and etc be restored as well? |
| 23:15.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: yes, but you can edit them manually afterwards to suit your new setup |
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| 23:15.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | That is, if you don't reinstall Debian at all. |
| 23:17.00 | mo1991 | ok, makes sense. I will give it a try in a couple of days - this would be a whole lot easier than restarting from fresh install - typically it takes me like a month to remember all the packages to apt-get and configure all of the servers. Thanks for your help |
| 23:17.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: as I said, consider using configuration management in the future |
| 23:18.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: in case that doesn't ring a bell, it's a way to describe how to configure a system such that you can replicate a complex configuration from scratch automatically |
| 23:19.19 | mo1991 | not sure I get what you mean - meaning setup a kind of automatic install? Or are you saying just to record the steps I take in a file for myself? |
| 23:19.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: neither really... see Puppet, Chef etc. |
| 23:20.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | They automate applying configuration starting with a freshly installed system. |
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| 23:21.47 | asdasdasd | hello |
| 23:21.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi, asdasdasd |
| 23:22.31 | asdasdasd | if I add a non-free package to my "wheezy" line, do I need to add the non-free to my security and "wheezy-updates" line? |
| 23:22.32 | mo1991 | Eduard_Munteanu - hmm - nice. I'll have to check that out - I'm guessing this would help immensely in duplicating a setup to a different machine or series of machines |
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| 23:23.43 | asdasdasd | This is what I have in my apt sources.list: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free |
| 23:23.43 | mo1991 | asdasdasd - yes you should. I just add contrib and non-free to all of the wheezy lines after "main" |
| 23:23.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: yes, exactly. They also let you instantiate a configuration template on different machines which need different parameters |
| 23:23.54 | asdasdasd | oh ok |
| 23:24.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | Also, often in a distro agnostic way. |
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| 23:24.59 | asdasdasd | is there anyway to find out which packages were installed from which source: main, contrib, or non-free |
| 23:25.20 | asdasdasd | basically, i'm not sure why I added the contrib source....would like to know which package I added it for |
| 23:25.29 | mo1991 | Eduard_Munteanu - so if I choose to rebuild the system after encrypting, I should use either chef or Puppet to automate my installs and configs from the getgo, saving the progress as I go - so that this can easily be replicated the next time correct? |
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| 23:27.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | mo1991: yes, that should help if you ever want to replicate it... now sure, depends if you want to spend time learning to use that tool itself |
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| 23:30.39 | pythonsnake | hey |
| 23:30.47 | pythonsnake | what's the lighest torrent client you've used? |
| 23:30.51 | pythonsnake | lightest* |
| 23:30.53 | Devastator | where is themill when I need him? :( |
| 23:31.30 | nkuttler | pythonsnake: rtorrent |
| 23:32.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | pythonsnake: the original bittorrent client, I think |
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| 23:33.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | rtorrent has an UI, probably not the lightest. :) |
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| 23:33.26 | pythonsnake | does that even still exist Eduard_Munteanu |
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| 23:33.38 | pythonsnake | and is rtorrent lighter than tramission-DAEMON? |
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| 23:33.43 | pythonsnake | transmission* |
| 23:33.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | If you're looking for a more popular light one, there's 'transmission' which has a daemon IIRC. |
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| 23:34.55 | skatbo | a |
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| 23:58.14 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 23:59.08 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm trying to update my old squeeze linux box to wheezy and when I run "sudo apt-get update" I get the error "Sudo: unable to resolve host debian" any ideas why this happens and how to fix it? |
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