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| 00:01.29 | free_ice | http://paste.debian.net/78230 |
| 00:01.41 | ScottE | free_ice: you may need to go into wicd settings, by default it assumes wlan0 |
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| 00:03.10 | sharky_ | haven't seen wwan device, but that should be your wireless card |
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| 00:07.52 | tuxy | !powerlevel |
| 00:08.06 | sharky_ | free_ice, you probably have to stop the network manager daemon |
| 00:08.40 | sharky_ | free_ice, # /etc/init.d/network-manager stop |
| 00:08.54 | sharky_ | free_ice, check that https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Wicd |
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| 00:15.54 | free_ice | the thing is, my wifi light is not on, and it should be on |
| 00:16.07 | free_ice | but yeah, i removed network-manager and it doesn't work |
| 00:16.10 | free_ice | i followed the directions |
| 00:17.12 | sharky_ | so when you start wicd it does not recognize it? |
| 00:17.25 | sharky_ | I mean the wwan device? |
| 00:17.29 | free_ice | it always stays off |
| 00:17.41 | free_ice | in wicd-client i put wwan0 in the preferences |
| 00:17.49 | free_ice | and i did /etc/init.d/wicd start |
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| 00:18.22 | sharky_ | ^ that as root? |
| 00:18.27 | free_ice | yes |
| 00:18.48 | sharky_ | ok and then you start the client |
| 00:18.52 | babilen | free_ice: You might require firmware or the wifi kill switch is one. Could you install pciutils and rfkill and show us the output of "rfkill list" and "lspci -nn|grep -i network" ? |
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| 00:19.14 | babilen | Oh, and I have no interest in debugging wicd, but lets start with those two. |
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| 00:19.55 | free_ice | rfkill list says dell-wifi soft blocked no, hard block no, and dell-wwan says the same thing |
| 00:20.11 | babilen | ack |
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| 00:20.50 | sharky_ | babilen, he has wwan0 device in ifconfig -a |
| 00:21.01 | free_ice | lspci -nn shows eathernet controller gigabet network connection and network controller centrino advance |
| 00:21.11 | yofun | http://pastebin.com/9dQe9sdF can anyone tell me what exactly am I doing wrong? How to ? |
| 00:21.43 | babilen | free_ice: That can't be the exact output. If it is tricky for you to paste output then please give me the pciid at the end (alphanumerical identifier that looks like [abcd:1234] |
| 00:22.00 | free_ice | http://paste.debian.net//78231 |
| 00:22.25 | free_ice | it is a laptop |
| 00:22.28 | free_ice | dell laptop |
| 00:23.20 | babilen | free_ice: That doesn't matter. Do you have firmware-iwlwifi installed? (COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi|tail -n1) |
| 00:23.23 | sharky_ | yofun, I am not sure about -follow, but for find you need a start point like find ./ -type f |
| 00:23.51 | yofun | Oh |
| 00:23.57 | free_ice | no i don't |
| 00:23.57 | yofun | Alright |
| 00:24.02 | free_ice | i mean let me check |
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| 00:24.37 | free_ice | no it isn't sitinslalled |
| 00:24.47 | babilen | free_ice: Please install that package, you need firmware for centrino wifi adaptors. For that you have to enable non-free (cf. "/msg dpkg non-free sources") -- Also see https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 00:25.33 | babilen | free_ice: You probably have to reload the module or reboot. fwiw, I personally would't necessarily recommend to use wicd, but knock yourself out |
| 00:25.39 | free_ice | thanks |
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| 00:26.13 | babilen | free_ice: You essentially want a sources.list like http://paste.debian.net/78233/ |
| 00:26.32 | free_ice | i better fix my usb persistent issue first then |
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| 00:27.16 | babilen | usb-modeswitch, yes |
| 00:27.27 | free_ice | ? |
| 00:27.29 | babilen | ah, persistent .. sorry |
| 00:27.42 | free_ice | do you have experience with that? |
| 00:28.14 | free_ice | i follow the directions and name the ext2 partition "live-rw" and it gets mounted when i add "persistent" after the boot line at startup |
| 00:28.22 | free_ice | but it doesn't work as staying persisetnt |
| 00:28.37 | free_ice | it gets mounted at /media/live-rw instead of tmpfw or whatever |
| 00:28.57 | babilen | free_ice: Not much, but #debian-live on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) should. Wrong time of day though... well, maybe not quite; most of the US should still be around. |
| 00:29.06 | free_ice | thank |
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| 00:29.30 | free_ice | thanks |
| 00:29.43 | sharky_ | free_ice, or you can directly install on usb |
| 00:29.51 | babilen | free_ice: I take it that you've read http://live.debian.net/manual/current/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#530 |
| 00:29.52 | sharky_ | then it stays persistent :D |
| 00:30.21 | babilen | And yes, a "normal" installation to USB drives is another option |
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| 00:30.48 | sharky_ | I have made installation from a live usb to another usb |
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| 00:31.57 | free_ice | i did "persistent" instead of "persistence" , let me try that |
| 00:32.01 | sharky_ | babilen, is that firmware included in the dvd? |
| 00:32.42 | armin | so i heard debian was dying because all the developers are playing valve games now |
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| 00:33.02 | sharky_ | maybe he can flash the dvd image on usb if its there and have it |
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| 00:34.08 | revolunet | io |
| 00:35.21 | babilen | sharky_: No, only the firmware netinst image (/msg dpkg firmware image) -- if you instlal from usb you can easily download the firmware.tar.gz and unpack it to a second partition on the USB stick though |
| 00:35.42 | fe0dor | hum |
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| 00:35.48 | babilen | armin: → #debian-offtopic is that way ;) |
| 00:35.49 | fe0dor | someone use psyBNC ? |
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| 00:35.59 | babilen | fe0dor: No, nobody does |
| 00:36.07 | dont-panic | anyone here use i3? |
| 00:36.16 | fe0dor | and why babilen ? :d |
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| 00:36.55 | babilen | dont-panic: No, it's a horrible piece of software. A few misguided souls can be found in #i3 -- I'd suggest a sane WM such as awesome or xmonad. |
| 00:37.25 | armin | dont-panic: yes i use i3 at work |
| 00:37.35 | free_ice | babilen, yeah, using the name "persistence" instead of "persistent" worked! you are so helpful. Instead of the link you gave me, i was using the instructions on some blog, it must have been outdated |
| 00:37.36 | armin | and it's a pretty awesome piece of software |
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| 00:37.48 | babilen | fe0dor: Well, it isn't packaged so nobody is interested in it ;) |
| 00:38.16 | fe0dor | i wanna propose some bouncers for few friends, but without a minimal privacy i cannot do that |
| 00:38.22 | fe0dor | oh, okay :/ |
| 00:38.28 | armin | dont-panic: so why you're asking? |
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| 00:39.15 | babilen | armin: No, it is not. It is inspired by an awesome piece of software (i.e. wmii) and took some good parts of it (namely the tiling approach). It did, however, threw away the best part of wmii (dynamic tiling and workspace configuration) and introduced a braindead "tree-based" method of tiling clients. |
| 00:39.20 | dont-panic | armin: can't seem to get it running properly |
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| 00:39.40 | dont-panic | I get a weird white terminal when it starts, I must be doing something wrong |
| 00:39.48 | babilen | armin: That leads to the unfortunate situation that you can never predict what a certain action does if you don't remember in which order *exactly* you created containers in the past. |
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| 00:40.27 | mosh | fe0dor, use ZNC |
| 00:40.36 | fe0dor | ZNC can do that ? |
| 00:40.47 | mosh | most public BNC providers use it. |
| 00:40.48 | fe0dor | i wanna mean, protect channels log ? |
| 00:40.53 | sharky_ | babilen, interesting, but Greg Hartman uses it and likes it [i3] |
| 00:41.10 | babilen | fe0dor: znc is packaged, but I simply run irssi in a tmux session on a VM somewhere. |
| 00:41.26 | fe0dor | yes i do that too |
| 00:41.57 | babilen | sharky_: It's my honest opinion, but I still bemoan the loss of wmii -- i3 simply isn't a replacement and its unpredictability makes it unusable for me. |
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| 00:42.50 | sharky_ | babilen, I see, here is what he is saying - http://greg.kh.usesthis.com/ |
| 00:42.57 | fe0dor | but it's for propose this service for some friends who don't use linux, mosh |
| 00:43.30 | fe0dor | and thanks, i will check that tomorow |
| 00:44.05 | babilen | mosh is wonderful |
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| 00:44.12 | fe0dor | i see that |
| 00:46.00 | zerick | Hi folks, I can't install mariadb package into my Debian Wheezy box, it shows this error -> http://paste.debian.net/78236/ |
| 00:46.05 | fe0dor | but for psyBNC, who have a multiple users management, it's a joke this absence of privacy protect option |
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| 00:46.20 | babilen | sharky_: he obviously has not a lot of experience with different tiling window managers and lacks the historical perspective ... not a problem and I agree that tiling is much better than not tiling, but then i3 simply doesn't cut it for me. It's a shame really and I am not sure *why* they decided to implement a system that is so unpredictable. I mean I want to know how the client will behave if I do something like alt-s (stack) or so and not ... |
| 00:46.26 | babilen | ... constantly think "Oh, right .. it belongs to *that* container and therefore doesn't stack like that, but differently" |
| 00:46.34 | zerick | I have run, dpkg --configure -a, apt-get install -f, apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean |
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| 00:46.47 | zerick | but nothing makes that error away |
| 00:46.52 | fe0dor | or i'm really bad with it |
| 00:46.53 | odie5533 | When I download wine in Debian, it's a very small install. But in Ubuntu it's huge. Is Debian skipping parts of Wine? I am still testing in Ubuntu, but in Debian it gave me errors regarding OpenGL. |
| 00:46.55 | babilen | zerick: We have mariadb packages in wheezy now? |
| 00:47.09 | zerick | babilen, well, from their repo |
| 00:47.37 | babilen | zerick: Well, ask them in that case. They are much more likely to know their packages and should be willing to support them too. |
| 00:47.44 | bit0 | hello. Are there any news about cups and hplip? |
| 00:47.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell zerick -about bat |
| 00:48.03 | zerick | babilen, I supposed it was matter of dpkg :) |
| 00:48.04 | babilen | zerick: Show them the information our bot just told you about. |
| 00:48.13 | fe0dor | bit0: you wanna mean cups cakes ? |
| 00:48.15 | fe0dor | :$ |
| 00:48.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell zerick -about mariadb |
| 00:49.21 | bit0 | fe0dor, xD, I mean about hp1005 issues |
| 00:49.24 | sharky_ | zerick, mariadb actually compiles perfectly fine on debian from source |
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| 00:51.34 | zerick | babilen, here http://paste.debian.net/78238/ |
| 00:51.50 | babilen | zerick: We don't support those packages, ask #maria |
| 00:52.00 | zerick | ok! thx anyway |
| 00:52.43 | fe0dor | bit0: i'm not familiar with this, its a printer ? |
| 00:52.50 | babilen | Just wanted to give you a tip to ease the debugging. Oh, and include the output of "apt-cache policy mariadb-client-5.5" -- All the best! |
| 00:53.51 | bit0 | fe0dor, yes!, a gdi printer |
| 00:54.31 | fe0dor | okay :d |
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| 01:07.59 | Miesco__ | Hi what are the linux drivers for the Haswell-ULT graphic cards? |
| 01:08.06 | Miesco__ | Like Intel 4400 |
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| 01:08.38 | cast | weird, my deb install...nothing special about it, is resolving security.debian.org to a ipv6 address, though i have an ipv4 network so things are dying a bit |
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| 01:09.31 | Dagger | cast: if you mean apt-get is reporting connection failures to v6 addresses: probably your v4 is broken |
| 01:10.11 | cast | this machines setup as a router, and for clients behind it, things are fine, |
| 01:10.25 | cast | wonder if the shorewall conf may be fubar |
| 01:10.46 | cast | i just did a getent hosts security.debian.org and only got ipv6 addresses back |
| 01:10.48 | Dagger | (try to wget the URL it's failing on, that'll report a more useful error message) |
| 01:11.07 | cast | good idea |
| 01:12.13 | cast | curious, wget fails [ipv6 addr], ping works [uses ipv4 addr] |
| 01:12.52 | Dagger | mind pastebinning the wget output? |
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| 01:15.55 | cast | ahh problem isolated to shorewall, :) |
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| 01:18.26 | dvs | !lart shorewall |
| 01:18.26 | dpkg | slaps a compatible dib on shorewall's head |
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| 01:24.48 | papi83dm | morning |
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| 01:25.26 | papi83dm | I want to install ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2-data_2.4.7-1_all.deb |
| 01:25.40 | papi83dm | but it has a lot of dependencies, how can I add it to my source list? |
| 01:25.55 | dvs | ??? it should already work |
| 01:26.20 | papi83dm | i want to install apache 2.4 |
| 01:26.27 | papi83dm | and its on the unstable packages |
| 01:26.37 | dvs | not recommended |
| 01:26.51 | papi83dm | i know, but I still want to install apache 2.4 |
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| 01:28.33 | Che-Anarc | After adding & configuring eth1 - I get really long delays with network / internet & I keep getting "Unable to resolve host" with all CLI ... |
| 01:28.36 | Che-Anarc | have I missed something |
| 01:28.37 | Che-Anarc | ? |
| 01:28.38 | cast | thanks for the help :) all is well and updated now |
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| 01:29.02 | papi83dm | che-anarc, looks like you don't have dns entry |
| 01:29.54 | papi83dm | che-anarc, what's your hostname, and is it listed on the /etc/hosts ? |
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| 01:32.02 | revolunet | hi; could someone please help me with a debian that wont boot ? i'm in rescue mode now |
| 01:32.16 | cast | sure. what part of the boot sequence was dying? |
| 01:33.05 | revolunet | thats a remote server |
| 01:33.15 | revolunet | ive exactly nothing in the logs |
| 01:33.20 | revolunet | so i guess its a grub issue |
| 01:33.38 | cast | what provider, linode? |
| 01:33.44 | revolunet | nop ovh |
| 01:34.16 | revolunet | is grub supposed to log in /var/log ? |
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| 01:34.46 | cast | not afaik |
| 01:35.20 | revolunet | i've fscked the disk and all is ok |
| 01:35.41 | cast | do you have any ideas what may have broken it? [kernel update? partitioning?] |
| 01:36.09 | revolunet | the uptime was +1000 days so i guess wrong update some time ago |
| 01:36.31 | cast | things i'd consider: reverting to an older kernel, reinstalling the bootloader [grub-install] |
| 01:36.34 | pingfloyd | Have you tried badblocks on it |
| 01:36.58 | revolunet | i guess i would have at least some line in the var log if it went after grub |
| 01:37.23 | revolunet | the last line is "kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped." from when i typed "reboot" in the console |
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| 01:39.33 | revolunet | cast: thanks; documenting on this |
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| 01:49.24 | olf-folks | i am confused with raid, all this talk about fake raid software raid hardware raid kernel raid |
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| 01:49.51 | pingfloyd | olf-folks, what's confusing? |
| 01:49.54 | papi83dm | anyone know how I can install apache2.4 from the testing repo? |
| 01:49.56 | olf-folks | it dose not need to be dualbooting |
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| 01:50.34 | olf-folks | pingfloyd: what is the real raid? |
| 01:50.58 | olf-folks | and what i want to setup will be using sata drives |
| 01:51.13 | pingfloyd | If you don't have a raid capable controller board, you don't have hardware raid |
| 01:51.14 | pingfloyd | An example if hw raid are perc and LSI |
| 01:51.44 | olf-folks | pingfloyd: will that stuff showup in lshw? |
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| 01:52.13 | pingfloyd | consumer raid on motherboard is really proprietary software raid |
| 01:52.47 | pingfloyd | Bottom line is you need some raid controller to be using hw raid |
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| 01:53.03 | pingfloyd | If it is compatible |
| 01:53.23 | pingfloyd | May even require third party drivers |
| 01:53.34 | cast | the whole hardware/software raid topic is quite interesting. the assertion that hardware raid is faster may not be true |
| 01:53.45 | olf-folks | ok, question 3 dose lvm have raid capiblitys/ something simalar |
| 01:53.58 | pingfloyd | Hw is a lot less flexible |
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| 01:54.16 | cast | also you get into extra pain, can't easily move drives between arbitrary hosts anymore, often have to upgrade firmware on raid controllers [they have bugs like everything else...] |
| 01:54.32 | pingfloyd | And you drives are initialized in a proprietary format |
| 01:54.35 | eblip | what is the difference between sudo aptitude upgrade |
| 01:54.41 | olf-folks | throws the hardware raid idea out |
| 01:54.43 | eblip | and sudo aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 01:54.48 | cast | your controller may have a li-ion battery, that doesn't last forever, needs replacement after a while |
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| 01:55.26 | pingfloyd | So you can't just put them in a different server unless it has same controller |
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| 01:55.44 | Miesco | My wifi card will fail time to time and i'll get stuff like: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Connection timed out. How do I restart the kernel driver? |
| 01:55.49 | Miesco | Its iwlwifi |
| 01:55.50 | cast | i suspect it might even be more specific in that specific firmware may, at times, need to line up as well |
| 01:55.58 | Miesco | I guess rmmod iwlwifi && modprobe iwlwifi? |
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| 01:56.21 | cast | as pingfloyd says, proprietary, depends on the manufacturer, the specific models, |
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| 01:56.27 | pingfloyd | Simply, hw raid is pain in the ass |
| 01:56.41 | olf-folks | ok i dont want hardware raid |
| 01:56.46 | pingfloyd | Most enterprise use it though |
| 01:57.00 | olf-folks | dose LVM have something like raid? |
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| 01:57.10 | cast | oh. and monitoring is a pain, you may have to write custom scripts/install 3rd party utilities for each class of raid card you have |
| 01:57.22 | pingfloyd | I wouldn't bother with hw raid on a linux server |
| 01:57.31 | cast | i vote mdadm+LVM |
| 01:57.46 | olf-folks | cast thanks ill look into that |
| 01:57.47 | cast | admittedly i haven't tried LVMs mirroring features |
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| 01:57.50 | pingfloyd | Easier and catch 22s with a software raid setup |
| 01:58.08 | pingfloyd | Less catch 22s* |
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| 01:58.51 | pingfloyd | I'm not sure how performance differs |
| 01:59.13 | pingfloyd | Theoretically hw should get better I/o performance |
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| 01:59.37 | pingfloyd | But check benchmarks if that is a concern |
| 02:00.01 | olf-folks | i dont have debian installed just yet |
| 02:00.16 | olf-folks | i would like to get what i want to do straight this time around |
| 02:01.10 | cast | why do you desire raid, anywho? |
| 02:01.23 | pingfloyd | So read some benchmarks to see how performance differs, them decide if is worth the extra hassles and possible catch 22s |
| 02:01.23 | olf-folks | i want it to be FAST |
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| 02:01.52 | cast | read or write? SSD or regular HDD? |
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| 02:02.21 | olf-folks | its not ssd but they are all new sata |
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| 02:02.34 | pingfloyd | I wouldn't bother unless it is faster enough to bother with. |
| 02:02.47 | olf-folks | all about 500-700 gb |
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| 02:03.03 | pingfloyd | One thing that might change decision is whether you want hotswapping |
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| 02:03.34 | pingfloyd | Controller has to support it, and many raid controllers do |
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| 02:04.01 | olf-folks | i dont care about hotswaping but the abbilty to power if off then add drives to the array would be good |
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| 02:04.04 | cast | that said, my last three sata desktops hotswapped fine |
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| 02:04.26 | cast | i got the impression hotswap was a common feature of motherboards with sata |
| 02:04.47 | pingfloyd | You have probably gotten lucky |
| 02:05.02 | cast | they have been flagship AMD chipsets/motherboards :) |
| 02:05.29 | josefig | how may I install the EFI stub grub ? |
| 02:05.29 | pingfloyd | High end ones might |
| 02:05.50 | pingfloyd | I wouldn't trust consumer grade |
| 02:06.39 | revolunet | do you have any advices to debug a remote server that wont boot ? from rescue mode i got strictly nothing in the logs :/ i'd like to know where it stops in the boot process |
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| 02:07.57 | cast | revolunet: i did notice ovh has some sort of serial console functionality advertised, that *might* help |
| 02:08.10 | revolunet | mm nice to know |
| 02:08.18 | revolunet | let me check in the intf |
| 02:08.21 | pingfloyd | revolunet, this is where things like idrac are helpful |
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| 02:08.48 | revolunet | i dont have any idea of what it is :) |
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| 02:09.02 | pingfloyd | Management board |
| 02:09.26 | pingfloyd | Allows you to manage at the hardware level remotely |
| 02:09.34 | cast | on the topic of IO speed, the recentish dm-cache target looks interesting |
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| 02:12.49 | olf-folks | pingfloyd: cast: this is my hardware, what do you think i should do http://paste.debian.net/78241/ |
| 02:14.26 | olf-folks | i plan to add more hdds aside from the one 500gb thats in the paste. |
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| 02:26.37 | cast | olf-folks: whats your usage case? fileserver? |
| 02:27.10 | olf-folks | fileserver/shellserver/webserver/dhcp/dns/ |
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| 02:27.25 | olf-folks | it will be used for everything |
| 02:27.43 | olf-folks | besides media |
| 02:27.54 | cast | what network connectivity? |
| 02:28.22 | olf-folks | x2 100mbs eth0 |
| 02:28.32 | cast | ahh. don't get hardware raid. waste of money. |
| 02:29.48 | olf-folks | throws the hardware raid idea out again |
| 02:29.56 | cast | zcav, part of bonnie++ pkg, is a quick easy way to get an idea of your drives sequential read speed |
| 02:30.04 | thims_ | Does anyone know what would cause the F12 key (an Fn key) to not work without the Alt key being pressed? |
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| 02:30.35 | thims_ | It shows up on xev when Alt is pressed, but not without. I tried to ensure that remapping it in xmodmap doesn't define it. It didn't work. |
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| 02:38.36 | free_ice | i installed debian live and it has only 1 processor working, but whhen i used *buntu, i had 4, i don't know how to enable the other ones |
| 02:39.02 | cast | that's interesting, can you pastebin /proc/cpuinfo? |
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| 02:40.14 | centrx | free_ice, Install the smp package of the kernel |
| 02:40.24 | free_ice | http://paste.debian.net/78242 |
| 02:40.26 | free_ice | okay |
| 02:40.45 | centrx | You want the amd64 kernel package probably |
| 02:41.02 | free_ice | i want to use as least amount of ram as i can |
| 02:41.09 | free_ice | because it is for VM hosting |
| 02:41.23 | centrx | How is that related |
| 02:41.39 | somiaj | free_ice: uname -a, yea what kernel are you running? |
| 02:41.44 | free_ice | the less ram of the host, the more ram for VM |
| 02:42.19 | free_ice | Linux debian 3.2.0-4-486 #1 Debian 3.2.51-1 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:42.29 | dvs | 486!?! |
| 02:42.32 | dvs | no wonder! |
| 02:42.37 | free_ice | ? |
| 02:42.46 | free_ice | lol |
| 02:43.12 | dvs | listen to centrx |
| 02:43.12 | zinx | free_ice: you might want to install a kernel designed for your processor |
| 02:43.29 | free_ice | my iso that i used is debian-live-7.2-i386-lxde-desktop |
| 02:43.43 | dvs | wrong iso |
| 02:43.58 | centrx | Oh yeah, all your packags are i386 now aren't they |
| 02:44.06 | free_ice | what if i want to use the 32 bit of debian still instead of amd64 |
| 02:44.13 | free_ice | how come there isn't a 486 one |
| 02:44.23 | somiaj | I think you want the 686 one |
| 02:44.30 | somiaj | 486 is extremly old |
| 02:44.35 | centrx | i386 is 486 |
| 02:44.37 | cast | on a side note, how much RAM do you have? |
| 02:44.39 | free_ice | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable/ |
| 02:44.42 | free_ice | it isn't on there |
| 02:45.14 | centrx | amd64 |
| 02:45.15 | free_ice | if i install amd64, then it would be 64bit instead of 32bit, right |
| 02:45.21 | free_ice | i guess i don't have a choice? |
| 02:45.23 | zinx | free_ice: is there a particular reason you don't want to use the amd64 debian release? |
| 02:45.26 | centrx | free_ice, Yes, what is wrong with 64bit? |
| 02:45.34 | free_ice | it requires more ram |
| 02:45.35 | free_ice | that is the issue |
| 02:45.36 | zinx | free_ice: no, you can install a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit debian, and it will work.. |
| 02:45.37 | free_ice | oh well |
| 02:45.38 | somiaj | free_ice: install the -686 kernel not the -486 |
| 02:45.49 | free_ice | lol |
| 02:45.50 | free_ice | okay |
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| 02:46.17 | somiaj | free_ice: the install image you used just used teh -486 kernel to be really compadable, seems strange though |
| 02:46.19 | cast | we still don't have a scale of how desperate you are for RAM |
| 02:46.24 | zinx | free_ice: do note that ix86 can't even address more than ~3GB of ram or so without some slow extensions |
| 02:46.43 | free_ice | i have 4gb of ram |
| 02:46.54 | free_ice | so i guess i need 64 huh |
| 02:46.56 | zinx | free_ice: then you want an amd64 kernel at the very least. |
| 02:47.01 | cast | votes amd64 kernel/userland |
| 02:47.02 | free_ice | okay, thanks |
| 02:47.02 | somiaj | free_ice: no there is a pae kernel |
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| 02:47.06 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 02:47.08 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.8-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.6-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 02:47.14 | zinx | free_ice: if you're ok with applications only being able to access ~2-3GB, then you can stick with 32-bit debian |
| 02:47.24 | centrx | free_ice, Why do you say 64-bit uses more RAM? |
| 02:47.28 | zinx | free_ice: but otherwise, you'll want to switch to a 64-bit debian release too. |
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| 02:47.51 | somiaj | free_ice: you want the 3.2.0-4-686-pae kernel (apt-cache search linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae), that will use all your ram and be 32bit, 64bit is way more common now days but choice is yours there |
| 02:47.53 | phone | can anyone help me with Xen and USB? i've tried #xen, but that place has absolutely no activity |
| 02:47.56 | cast | centrx: pointers are twice the size...longs are twice the size too |
| 02:48.08 | zinx | somiaj: going to guess an amd64 kernel with 32-bit userspace is faster than a pae kernel |
| 02:48.14 | dvs | centrx: 64bit programs are generally 20% larger. |
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| 02:48.41 | somiaj | zinx: not sure there, there are pros and cons to each method. Depending on what you are doing you may or may not notice the difference |
| 02:48.44 | centrx | Seems insignificant if you have 4GB of RAM |
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| 02:49.38 | dvs | he'll gain 800MB if he uses the 64bit version anyways. |
| 02:49.57 | free_ice | i do apt-get dist-upgrade but instead of that I do apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae ? |
| 02:50.02 | cast | wonders how much space the nx bit saves in rootkits |
| 02:50.04 | somiaj | umm, the pae kernel will give him access to all the memory (just not a single application access) |
| 02:50.23 | somiaj | free_ice: correct, because you aren't upgrading your current kernel you are installing a new one |
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| 02:51.03 | free_ice | then after that i can just do regular dist-upgrade? |
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| 02:51.26 | free_ice | to update kernel |
| 02:51.58 | dvs | free_ice: You reboot after you get a new kernel |
| 02:52.10 | free_ice | i mean for next time |
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| 02:52.38 | dvs | if you want. |
| 02:52.47 | free_ice | k, thanks |
| 02:52.49 | LtL | free_ice: read what somiaj said, you aren't upgrading per se, dist-upgrade not necessary just install a newer kernel .. done |
| 02:54.08 | relipse | its hard to explain but i want the last command AND the output of the last command stored to a file every single time i press enter in bash terminal, is that possible? |
| 02:54.45 | dvs | !wayttd relipse |
| 02:54.45 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, relipse? |
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| 02:55.18 | relipse | i just want a bash terminal which saves every single command and its output to a file |
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| 02:58.25 | cast | relipse: do you know about the script command? |
| 02:59.58 | cast | neat @ script -f example, to shadow someones CLI session :) |
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| 03:07.18 | randomstranger | IN LINUX CAN I RUN A COMMAND AT A REMOTE LOCATION? |
| 03:07.19 | randomstranger | sorry caps |
| 03:07.26 | randomstranger | for example if I am in /root/ |
| 03:07.27 | codepython777 | if i install a debian, how long can i hope to run this machine? (Server) |
| 03:07.55 | jordanm | codepython777: you mean without upgrading to a new release? |
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| 03:08.13 | codepython777 | jordanm: yes, and without intervention. By just setting it to auto updates? |
| 03:08.14 | jordanm | randomstranger: be more specific |
| 03:08.36 | jordanm | codepython777: well, until the hardware dies but you will lose security support in about 2 years |
| 03:08.50 | randomstranger | jordanm nvm I figured it out |
| 03:09.07 | codepython777 | jordanm: is there a linux variant that i can hope to run for 5 years or larger? |
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| 03:09.37 | jordanm | codepython777: RHEL/CentOS or SLES |
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| 03:10.26 | josefig | is the dvd available to install grub2-efi ? |
| 03:10.33 | josefig | of wheezy ^ |
| 03:11.15 | jordanm | josefig: no idea. when I did a recent netinst I installed it via a chroot from a usb drive |
| 03:11.36 | josefig | jordanm, can you explain how ? please. |
| 03:11.38 | jordanm | josefig: if you have networking in the installer, you can manually do it from the chroot without the usb |
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| 03:12.26 | jordanm | josefig: ctrl+alt+f3; chroot /mnt/target /bin/bash # at the end of the install when you are prompted to remove the cd |
| 03:12.31 | jordanm | from there you can do what you need |
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| 03:13.02 | josefig | ok |
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| 03:13.11 | jordanm | it sucks but in my documentation searching I didn't find anything better |
| 03:13.23 | josefig | I boot from the usb and then ctrl+alt+f3 |
| 03:13.32 | jordanm | so I winged it |
| 03:13.42 | randomstranger | HOW SAFE ACCURATE IS CRON |
| 03:13.45 | randomstranger | sorry caps |
| 03:13.59 | randomstranger | How risky is it |
| 03:14.08 | jordanm | risky? |
| 03:14.23 | cast | cron is safe, you may not be |
| 03:14.32 | jordanm | the same amount of risk as if you logged in manually and ran your job at the scheduled time |
| 03:14.59 | jordanm | it's as "risky" as the buggy code you tell it to run |
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| 03:19.28 | arthurfiggis | i'm trying to think of a way cron could be risky...perhaps if you scheduled it to repetitively run something buggy as mentioned above, but apart from that? :) |
| 03:20.07 | arthurfiggis | a general rule for firearms and system administration is never to point the dangerous end at anything you don't want to die |
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| 03:27.16 | olf-folks | lul |
| 03:28.01 | cast | it can be risky in a few ways, if things run longer than you expect [say, by hitting a FS that causes processes to hang], or in years to come...when everyone has forgotten about that cronjob, its still there, doing whatever thing it does, acting as a ghost in the machine |
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| 03:28.55 | cast | [running longer than you expect may mean the next execution runs before the last has finished, or if they hang indefinitely over time RAM exhaustion] |
| 03:29.28 | randomstranger | I ask a question nobody answers |
| 03:29.34 | randomstranger | someone else asks a question everyone answers |
| 03:29.36 | randomstranger | thx a lot guys |
| 03:30.17 | jordanm | multiple people answered his question |
| 03:30.53 | jordanm | oh, I guess he was just trolling |
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| 03:33.29 | cast | on a side note, salt makes it pretty trivial to list your root crontabs on your fleet :) |
| 03:33.51 | cast | can be important if the place is poorly organised, with numerous administrators coming and going over the years |
| 03:35.53 | arthurfiggis | jordanm: rather mysterious method of trolling, just asking a dumb question and then pretending no one answered it :P better than barthalion's entering the channel and yelling obscenities in all caps i suppose |
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| 03:41.03 | phone | alright, i finally know the right question to ask |
| 03:41.19 | phone | where do i start with building a kernel module? i need to build the xen-pvusb module for debian stable |
| 03:42.32 | arthurfiggis | phone: well...on the off chance you haven't done it already, you'd want to install a minimal build environment :) apt-get install build-essential |
| 03:42.57 | phone | yep, it was already installed lol |
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| 03:43.11 | phone | i've built plenty of programs from source, but this will be my first kernel module |
| 03:43.40 | stew | you want the headers for the currently installed kernel: "apt-get install linux-header-(uname -r)" |
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| 03:44.16 | stew | uh s/header/headers/ |
| 03:45.01 | phone | is that supposed to be "apt-get install linux-headers-(`uname-r`)"? |
| 03:45.08 | arthurfiggis | stew: that's one step i wish they mentioned in the nvidia wiki page actually, if you use the backported drivers and you don't explicitly install the headers like that, the module doesn't build properly :( or at least it didn't when i tried, but then someone suggested that here |
| 03:45.38 | phone | christ, i just want to pass a usb printer from a dom0 to a domU in xen, and of course xen hasn't upstreamed the pvusb drivers |
| 03:45.43 | phone | i don't even know where to find the sources for those |
| 03:46.29 | free_ice | what is the difference between && and ; when executing a command in the cui? |
| 03:46.52 | arthurfiggis | phone: hmm...sorry, i wouldn't know much about that myself...i'm a bit lazy, if i need to virtualize something i throw it in virtualbox :P i would say there are plenty of people here with xen experience though! |
| 03:46.57 | cast | ; will ignore the return code of previous command, && will not |
| 03:47.17 | free_ice | why would you want to ignore the return code? |
| 03:47.26 | phone | i hope so, arthurfiggis, like i said earlier, the #xen channel is absolutely dead. all i've seen in there over the past few weeks are other users like me asking questions to dead silence |
| 03:47.28 | free_ice | i mean why wouldn't you |
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| 03:47.42 | rCas | Hi all |
| 03:48.04 | cast | suppose i want to delete two users, userdel fred; userdel jude, if fred fails i still want jude gone |
| 03:48.08 | stew | free_ice: you are asking if it is ever the case that someone DOESN'T want to ignore an error? |
| 03:48.25 | free_ice | oh i see |
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| 03:48.37 | free_ice | if it is an error then the right of && wont execute |
| 03:49.10 | stew | exactly |
| 03:49.58 | Che-Anarc | In order to get my network working I do > route add default gw A.B.C.D in my rc.locale - but it takes a while after I go into gdm, x, etc - like 3 minutes later it loads. |
| 03:50.04 | Che-Anarc | Is there anyway I can avoid this? |
| 03:50.48 | cast | why do you do that in rc.local? |
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| 03:50.55 | arthurfiggis | phone: some channels are definitely more active than others, a few of them i was surprised by...only three or four users for a big project :) but not all of them use irc i suppose...fortunately this is probably the most active and helpful that i've been to at least |
| 03:51.16 | Che-Anarc | cast, where should I do it? |
| 03:51.19 | cast | /etc/network/interfaces is typically used |
| 03:51.39 | phone | agreed, arthurfiggis |
| 03:51.58 | cast | phone: is their official channel on fn? |
| 03:52.05 | phone | cast: yes, #xen |
| 03:52.09 | Che-Anarc | cast, I tried that but somehow it doesnt work. |
| 03:52.17 | stew | Che-Anarc: you tried what, exactly? |
| 03:53.07 | Che-Anarc | cast, adding to /etc/network/interfaces on > auto eth0 - last line of interface > route add default gw A.B.C.D |
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| 03:53.34 | cast | ah, maybe just pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:53.37 | stew | no, there it would just be "gateway A.B.C.D", you should read man 5 interfaces |
| 03:54.37 | Che-Anarc | Also is there anyway to have another script / command I am executing in rc.locale - to kick in / start earlier? |
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| 03:55.06 | stew | Che-Anarc: how about one that kicks in as soon as networking is started? |
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| 03:55.34 | stew | Che-Anarc: so that would be /etc/network/interfaces. see man 5 interfaces ; you might want an "up" directive |
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| 03:57.03 | Che-Anarc | ifup eth0 echo "Its up" |
| 03:57.14 | Che-Anarc | stew, something like that? |
| 03:57.20 | stew | no? |
| 03:57.54 | stew | you could try an "up" directive in /etc/network/interfaces perhaps see "man 5 interfaces" |
| 03:58.05 | stew | aka post-up |
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| 04:00.58 | Che-Anarc | stew, thanks |
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| 04:01.33 | stew | Che-Anarc: but really, for setting default gateway, you want the "gateway" directive |
| 04:01.58 | Che-Anarc | If I > screen -L -d -m ./cmd as part of post-up how can I resume / tap into it after? - I'm trying to understand how to use them |
| 04:03.02 | phone | so i'm trying to use usbip instead |
| 04:03.06 | stew | i doubt it is run with an attached tty |
| 04:03.28 | Che-Anarc | stew, it runs but I cant see it after when I do screen -ls |
| 04:03.35 | Che-Anarc | stew, any idea what I am doing wrong? |
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| 04:04.03 | stew | Che-Anarc: wait, are you still talking about /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 04:04.55 | Che-Anarc | stew, well sort of yes - I just want do execute a command after network is up - but the processes remains after - so I'd like to resume / see its output / verbose at some point later - while its running./ |
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| 04:05.29 | stew | i don't believe that a tty is attached to the script starting networking |
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| 04:06.05 | stew | i could be wrong though |
| 04:06.14 | stew | Che-Anarc: what user are you running screen -ls as? |
| 04:06.15 | Che-Anarc | stew is there a way I can attach a tty to it manually & how to then resume / tap into that tty after? |
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| 04:07.32 | Che-Anarc | stew aheh you are right - it was a sudo issue |
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| 04:08.26 | Che-Anarc | Is there a way without screen to exec something on bash / cshell to a specific tty? |
| 04:09.00 | stew | Che-Anarc: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 04:10.43 | Che-Anarc | stew, well I got screens working - I was wondering how to achieve a similar effect without screen leaving ./executable with all its verbose / output to another tty and how then to resume / refocus to that tty |
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| 04:11.46 | stew | i don't folow |
| 04:11.51 | stew | Che-Anarc: what is ./executable |
| 04:11.52 | stew | ? |
| 04:12.10 | Che-Anarc | stew anything par example: watch free -m |
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| 04:12.44 | stew | Che-Anarc: you can log that to a file without using screen |
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| 04:13.31 | Che-Anarc | stew sure that I know.... thanks for all the help. |
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| 04:17.18 | phone | great, to use usbip i need to compile and install a kernel module |
| 04:17.29 | phone | to do that i need the package usbip-source, which is only in squeeze |
| 04:20.36 | phone | fuckit. if i'm going to be building kernel modules anyway i'm going to build the module for Xen rather than usbip. |
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| 04:23.50 | phone | i can't (or rather don't know how to) find the sources for xen's pvusb kernel module. i found their official tarball, but grepping through the extracted source yielded nothing of the sort. |
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| 04:25.36 | shawnbon206 | question. is efi boot possible to / partition (without seperate esp partition) ? |
| 04:25.49 | jordanm | esp? |
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| 04:25.58 | shawnbon206 | efi system partition |
| 04:26.01 | shawnbon206 | esp |
| 04:26.47 | shawnbon206 | yeah i know esp partition is redundant |
| 04:27.09 | shawnbon206 | i could have just said efi partition i suppose |
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| 04:28.22 | shawnbon206 | i want to avoid resizing if i dont have to. i know on my mac i didnt need a seperate efi i was able to put efi stub on my osx system drive |
| 04:28.50 | shawnbon206 | this new example is for a system with only one system per drive |
| 04:28.57 | shawnbon206 | each stands by itself |
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| 04:29.30 | shawnbon206 | so for linux only, can i just keep /boot/efi on root partition? |
| 04:29.41 | shawnbon206 | or does it have to be on separate |
| 04:31.07 | shawnbon206 | derp? |
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| 04:50.48 | centrx | derp |
| 04:52.54 | use_zfs_yo | derp. |
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| 04:55.06 | lightquake | I want to use the nice gnome-xmonad integration provided by the xmonad package, but I want to use my own xmonad binary instead of the one the package installs. |
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| 04:55.48 | lightquake | I could just move /usr/bin/xmonad to /usr/bin/xmonad.debian and make /usr/bin/xmonad a symlink to ~/.cabal/bin/xmonad, but is there a nicer way? |
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| 04:57.46 | Rusty1 | lightquake: anybody on #xmonad have an idea ? |
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| 04:58.16 | lightquake | dunno, haven't asked. but I figured 'how do I replace the binary package X provides with my own version' would be a fairly general question, and that #debian would be bigger. :) |
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| 04:58.55 | Rusty1 | ask there, wait here , up to you |
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| 04:59.15 | shawnbon206 | DERP |
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| 05:06.21 | eblip | im using debian wheezy and i am running commands that i need a larger output than my buffer allows....its impossible to grep the output ..so how can i increase the size of my buffer |
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| 05:07.20 | cast | eblip: as in cmd | grep something, fails? |
| 05:07.39 | eblip | no ...i cant grep because i am ssh into a device |
| 05:08.00 | cast | why does that stop grepping? |
| 05:08.01 | eblip | and when i show certain configs of the device ...it goes beyond my buffer size |
| 05:08.10 | cast | ahh |
| 05:08.20 | cast | ssh host 'cmd'|grep? |
| 05:08.26 | eblip | so when i scroll back up the buffer...the top part is missing |
| 05:08.36 | phy1729 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.39 | phy1729 | or to less |
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| 05:09.12 | FastCode | I'd grep in host, less traffic, less cpu, faster |
| 05:09.27 | eblip | yes problem is....i ssh into device....from there i enter password........then i enter whatever mode i want...and then i issue commands ...but i am on the device so grep is not understood by the device |
| 05:09.38 | cast | FastCode: depends on the device, might not have grep |
| 05:09.41 | eblip | and i need to issue lots of commands from there |
| 05:09.49 | FastCode | right |
| 05:10.14 | phone | stupid question: do i need to do anything special so a module will load at boot, or does 'modprobe MODULE' take care of that? |
| 05:11.02 | eblip | what i would really like is to be able to scroll the whole entire session i have on the device...which may run into 10 thousand lines |
| 05:11.14 | eblip | over a period of time |
| 05:11.18 | Rusty1 | phone : man modules, in a terminal might be useful |
| 05:11.19 | socomm | eblip: does the device have perl? |
| 05:11.31 | eblip | no cisco ios |
| 05:11.38 | phone | Rusty1: when you say it like that, it makes me sound like an idiot |
| 05:11.44 | socomm | eblip: wat are you trying to do? |
| 05:11.45 | phone | which... is probably not far enough from the truth. |
| 05:11.45 | phone | thanks. |
| 05:11.46 | eblip | ill look at cisco ios to see if i can manually configure buffer size |
| 05:12.35 | socomm | eblip: you can, give me a second |
| 05:12.40 | socomm | I have it on my wiki somewhere |
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| 05:13.39 | eblip | ah great |
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| 05:13.58 | socomm | eblip: http://etherealmind.com/ios-setting-terminal-window-length/ |
| 05:14.13 | Rusty1 | phone: i learned most of what i dont know typing man something in a terminal c. 1982 |
| 05:14.16 | socomm | 'term len 60' or whatever height you wanna give it |
| 05:14.58 | phone | Rusty1: yeah, it's second nature for me to do that with commands, but i'm still getting used to using it for config files and system stuff |
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| 05:15.56 | Rusty1 | phone: the idea is to put hte modprobe in /etc/modules via an editor |
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| 05:16.26 | Rusty1 | like vim, emacs (shush y'all) or similar |
| 05:16.41 | phone | yeah, i stuck it in there |
| 05:17.00 | phone | apparently i've already used that file before, given comments in my writing style. +1 for a shitty memory |
| 05:17.05 | cast | is the preference /etc/modules or /etc/modules.d/? |
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| 05:18.36 | Rusty1 | last i had to, was /etc/modules |
| 05:18.37 | eblip | thanks for that socomm ...but i think that is for how many lines are displayed before i have to step through |
| 05:18.59 | eblip | im looking at another command # logging buffered (size=no of bytes) |
| 05:19.16 | eblip | i think that will ensure the buffer holds up to thousands of lines |
| 05:19.21 | socomm | eblip: hmmm, try #cisco |
| 05:19.36 | eblip | yes i intitally thought it was a debian thing |
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| 05:19.54 | eblip | but as i ma sshd into my device it has become a cisco thing |
| 05:19.59 | eblip | logging buffered will work |
| 05:20.01 | socomm | eblip: right |
| 05:20.06 | eblip | but thanks for your help |
| 05:20.12 | socomm | np |
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| 05:26.17 | mo1991 | I have just bought a 6 gb ssd drive and am hooking it up. Do i want to use the sata 3 ports or the gsata3 ports. Not sure the difference |
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| 05:30.28 | mo1991 | googling it seems that gsata 3 is slightly slower than standard "intel" sata 3 so I guess that's my answer. Apparently gsata uses a different chipset. btw gigabyte motherboard. Curious if anyone can explain though. |
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| 05:46.27 | mo1991 | fair enough |
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| 06:11.41 | free_lasagna | hi |
| 06:11.42 | markovirc | Hello free_lasagna |
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| 06:12.02 | free_lasagna | i try sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae , but it doesn't work. i am trying to install that kernel to replace my amd64 one |
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| 06:21.30 | RipresaTecn | you can not install a 32bit kernel on a 64bit install |
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| 06:22.18 | cast | how does one ensure they isntall the latest linux-image? [would probably be from backports |
| 06:22.45 | free_lasagna | so i have to install the 386 kernel then install the 686 one? |
| 06:23.07 | free_lasagna | because debian doesn't have a base iso of 686 |
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| 06:23.32 | free_lasagna | i just went from 386 to amd64 because someone said that was the way to install a 686 |
| 06:23.37 | free_lasagna | now you are telling me the opposite |
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| 06:26.34 | wols_ | free_lasagna: dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 06:27.36 | wols_ | cast: if you install a normal wheezy kernel, it will be 3.2. or you can explicitly (can't be done automatically) install from backports and you have 3.12 |
| 06:27.49 | cast | ahh. |
| 06:28.26 | cast | ahh. |
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| 06:56.19 | cybes | hi all |
| 06:56.43 | cast | hi |
| 06:56.43 | markovirc | Hello cast |
| 06:57.03 | cybes | i needed to install a2x command..but upon checking via apt-get its showing 860M ascii pakcage |
| 06:57.20 | cybes | any idea how i could install the a2x alone? |
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| 06:57.41 | cybes | is it possible..without downloading the whole asciipackagle |
| 06:58.03 | cast | you could make your own package |
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| 06:58.37 | cast | under normal circumstances i was under the impression a package was the smallest installable unit in the packaging system |
| 06:59.18 | cybes | oh |
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| 06:59.54 | cybes | is on a poor wireless connection with 1G plan |
| 06:59.59 | cybes | :D |
| 07:00.18 | wols_ | cybes: disable recommends |
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| 07:01.16 | wols_ | the recommends for a2x install docbook and latex. which balloons to 800MB |
| 07:01.18 | cybes | wols_: disable?sorry didn't get you |
| 07:01.24 | wols_ | !recommends |
| 07:01.52 | wols_ | !why recommends |
| 07:01.52 | dpkg | From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages you will be missing functionality. |
| 07:02.17 | wols_ | cybes: and dpkg here writes crap: you are that unusual which is why you should not use recommends |
| 07:02.17 | cybes | oh |
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| 07:03.16 | cybes | wols_: but i couldn't find using apt-get install a2x |
| 07:03.35 | cybes | its showing there isn't any package...and on googliing it showed the asciipakcage as whole |
| 07:03.58 | cybes | could you please tell how the command alone can be installed without the recommends |
| 07:04.13 | cast | aptitude -R install asciidoc # is a 1.4MB download |
| 07:04.27 | cast | [on my arch, at least, with python already installed] |
| 07:04.45 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:05.35 | cast | in stable are there much issues mixing aptitude and apt-get? |
| 07:06.00 | cybes | yep its a 1Mb package.. |
| 07:06.04 | cast | i suspect salt is calling apt-get all the time, but i'm a long term aptitude user |
| 07:06.06 | cybes | is downloading |
| 07:06.17 | somiaj | mixing them no, there are cretain things (usually dist-upgrades) where one is prefered over another |
| 07:06.44 | cast | does apt-get mark things as autoinstalled nowdays? |
| 07:06.51 | cast | [where applicable] |
| 07:07.22 | wols_ | yes |
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| 07:22.07 | cybes | soory, cast: wols_ : my connection got reset |
| 07:22.15 | cybes | first i thought i got muted :D |
| 07:22.30 | cybes | is there anyway i could get a history log here |
| 07:23.17 | cybes | i missed session after the con reset |
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| 07:24.31 | cybes | the a2x package got installed but i think it needed the recommends |
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| 07:24.32 | cybes | a2x: ERROR: xsltproc --nonet --stringparam callout.graphics 1 --stringparam navig.graphics 0 --stringparam admon.textlabel 0 --stringparam admon.graphics 1 --stringparam admon.graphics.path /etc/asciidoc/images/icons// --stringparam callout.graphics.path /etc/asciidoc/images/icons//callouts/ --stringparam navig.graphics.path /etc/asciidoc/images/icons// /etc/asciidoc/docbook-xsl/manpage.xsl /home/cybes/createvm-0.0.1/doc/cm.1.xml retur |
| 07:25.06 | cybes | may be that error is because without installing the recommends |
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| 07:25.37 | somiaj | the error didn't make it through, to long use a pastebin |
| 07:25.48 | somiaj | yes it could be that what you are doing requires some other binary to run |
| 07:26.21 | cybes | oh |
| 07:27.07 | cybes | okay |
| 07:27.28 | cybes | thanks guys |
| 07:27.35 | cybes | laterz |
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| 07:32.01 | wols_ | it at least requires xsltproc |
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| 07:43.30 | zysh | Hey all, I was wondering if I could get some advice when it comes to switching to Debian |
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| 07:46.21 | rozie | zysh: ask a real question |
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| 07:54.41 | iateadonut | that's good advice! |
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| 08:04.06 | zysh | Right, sorry, well lets see, I've been a long time user of Ubuntu but I've been trying to find a less bloated distro that suits me...My graphics card is fairly new so I've been using an Xorg edgers PPA (I'm sorry) to get better performance |
| 08:04.39 | zysh | Ubuntu seems to abstract away a lot of package management with PPAs, so I guess my question is, would it be terribly difficult to get the appropriate mesalib from xorg-edgers and use it with debian testing? |
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| 08:06.40 | zysh | Sorry, I'm pretty new really dealing with linux internals and how different distros handle package management (besides just using apt...) |
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| 08:07.28 | nkuttler | zysh: what's xorg-edgers? |
| 08:07.47 | wols_ | nkuttler: a bleeding edge xorg repo |
| 08:08.12 | wols_ | zysh: yes it would be too difficult and unsupported. besides: sooner or later, rather sooner usually, jessi gets the lib too |
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| 08:08.18 | wols_ | zysh: what videocard do you have? |
| 08:08.27 | zysh | Intel Iris Pro 5200 |
| 08:08.37 | wols_ | and which mesa version do you need? |
| 08:09.08 | wols_ | zysh: if you use debian, you cannot use any ubuntu repos basically. no PPAs, no ubuntu main, none of them |
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| 08:10.56 | zysh | I think it's upwards of 9.2? Sorry I don't remember off the top of my head :( I've been using crunchbang recently |
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| 08:11.43 | nkuttler | ,v libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 08:11.44 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-glx on i386 -- squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 9.2.2-1; sid: 9.2.2-1; experimental: 10.0.1-1 |
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| 08:13.31 | aarcane | building a package from source locally (apt-get source..) how do I tell the build process to increment the version compared to what's int he package so my local changes are seen as "higher than" those distributed in tree? |
| 08:13.43 | zysh | Either way, thanks for the feedback everyone! I'm going to try out testing and see where it goes |
| 08:13.55 | nkuttler | aarcane: i just edit the rules file.. |
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| 08:17.06 | pagios | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:20.44 | wols_ | pagios: depends on the UPS model |
| 08:20.55 | wols_ | various UPS have software for linux |
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| 08:21.13 | pagios | wols_: |
| 08:21.13 | pagios | http://www.deltapowersolutions.com/en/mcis/5kva-10kva-single-phase-ups-rt-series.php |
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| 08:24.07 | rozie | pagios: SNMP slot x 1, |
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| 08:24.51 | rozie | I'd use SNMP if possible |
| 08:27.16 | pagios | rozie: sorry? |
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| 08:28.05 | rozie | pagios: you pasted a link. about UPS. they have SNMP slot. it's the best way to get data from device |
| 08:28.21 | pagios | rozie: how can i do that |
| 08:28.44 | rozie | do what? |
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| 08:31.49 | pagios | snmp rozie |
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| 08:39.57 | jsplifer | Hey everybody. I boot usb stick with debian derivitive, works fine, after install, black scree with flashing cursor. In grub I push e, turn off quite splsh etc can get a command line.... But here is the deal, stick works fine, install goes good, after... usb stick does not go full graphic? |
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| 08:41.32 | jsplifer | What would change? A live usb stick working, to a live usb stick not working after an install? |
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| 08:44.25 | jsplifer | I pretty sure it's an nvidia driver, firmware or similar issue but... what thing? what would get in the way of a usb live stick? |
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| 08:53.41 | thims | Does anyone know what could/would cause a su login to break my Fn keys and make them a ~? I recently did an upgrade from 7.1 to 7.3 and have a list of packages changed. The weird part is, sulogin was not updated or changed in the upgrade and I am guessing this is what the culperate is. I have checked .profile and .bashrc for root, and they don't load anything. Thoughts? |
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| 09:18.42 | ShapeShifter499 | Hi |
| 09:18.42 | markovirc | Hello ShapeShifter499 |
| 09:18.58 | ShapeShifter499 | Can someone suggest a good tv tuner application? |
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| 09:19.22 | ShapeShifter499 | I tried tvtime but it doesn't get grab any channels from my tv tuner |
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| 09:20.08 | ShapeShifter499 | *get/grab |
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| 09:21.53 | rivarun | ShapeShifter499: i vaguely recall using tvtime years ago. did you make sure that it's using the tv tuner as source and not a webcam or similar? |
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| 09:23.49 | ShapeShifter499 | rivarun, yes |
| 09:24.12 | ShapeShifter499 | rivarun, my tuner shows up as /dev/video1 but nothing |
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| 09:25.30 | ShapeShifter499 | rivarun, it picks up every 10mhz as a channel but shows static |
| 09:25.53 | ShapeShifter499 | rivarun, ever 000.10mhz as a channel |
| 09:25.56 | ShapeShifter499 | *every |
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| 09:28.46 | rivarun | ShapeShifter499: perhaps try xawtv |
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| 09:34.10 | ShapeShifter499 | rivarun, it's giving me analog, what about digital? |
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| 09:34.26 | rivarun | ShapeShifter499: their website says they have experimental support in the dev tree |
| 09:36.02 | petern_ | tvtime is analogue-only |
| 09:36.06 | petern_ | me-tv will do digital |
| 09:39.07 | ShapeShifter499 | petern_, oh |
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| 09:39.33 | Dainara | hi |
| 09:39.39 | markovirc | Hello Dainara |
| 09:40.46 | Dainara | i hope someone can help me with mangoszero on debian 7 when i start the server i get many errors with DB i can connect but i can't create an char |
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| 09:41.34 | petern_ | digital also comes under /dev/dvb/* not /dev/video* |
| 09:41.50 | petern_ | misread Dainara as Dianora... |
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| 09:42.03 | petern_ | but somehow I doubt she'd used debian :) |
| 09:43.15 | Dainara | Erors like : Event 1568201 Action1 uses incorrect Target type 1 for event-type 10 (can not be used OOC) |
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| 09:44.12 | future28 | Hey, tracker-miner-f is running and chewing up all of my cpu time. What excactly does this do, why is it running? |
| 09:44.16 | markovirc | Hello future28 |
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| 09:44.40 | ShapeShifter499 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:45.20 | ShapeShifter499 | *in my area |
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| 09:46.55 | petern_ | no, me-tv is digital only |
| 09:47.01 | ShapeShifter499 | oh |
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| 09:52.28 | future28 | Hey markovirc |
| 09:52.31 | markovirc | Hello future28 |
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| 09:56.51 | ShapeShifter499 | petern_, does this also display digital cable? |
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| 09:57.44 | petern_ | not sure. i think as long as it's dvb it should do. |
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| 09:58.36 | wols_ | "Me TV works with DVB-T, DVB-S, DVB-C and ATSC devices that are supported by Linux kernel drivers" |
| 09:58.54 | wols_ | dvb-c is european cable. not sure what the US uses |
| 09:59.05 | ShapeShifter499 | wols_, I'm not sure what comcast outputs |
| 09:59.11 | wols_ | generally, nothing works there since they need a "cable card" |
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| 09:59.21 | ShapeShifter499 | wols_, I can pickup over the air just fine |
| 09:59.29 | wols_ | that would be ATSC |
| 09:59.53 | ShapeShifter499 | wols_, I should be able to connect to the "out" of my cable box to capture the signal right? |
| 10:00.16 | ShapeShifter499 | I was thinking setting a unused computer up as a server and dvr |
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| 10:01.17 | wols_ | depends on the signal the cable box provides. what connector is it? |
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| 10:01.47 | ShapeShifter499 | wols_, it does both hdmi and standard coaxial cable |
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| 10:02.22 | wols_ | I doubt you have a hdmi in connector on your PC |
| 10:02.40 | wols_ | coaxial should work |
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| 10:02.48 | ShapeShifter499 | wols_, with me-tv? |
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| 10:03.10 | bolt | my ISP responds to DHCP requests including a relay agent IP. this seems to cause dhclient to attempt to renew its IP address by sending requests to the relay agent address instead of the source address of the dhcp response. when it does this, it gets no reply. has my isp screwed up, or is dhclient weird? |
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| 10:03.45 | wols_ | ShapeShifter499: no. with your HARDWARE. connectors hare hardware |
| 10:03.46 | petern_ | the out of your cable box is already decoded, no? |
| 10:04.05 | ShapeShifter499 | petern_, I'm trying now but I get no picture |
| 10:04.27 | ShapeShifter499 | wols_, yes but does me-tv take the signal ? |
| 10:04.55 | petern_ | ShapeShifter499, me-tv only handles dvb |
| 10:04.58 | wols_ | the question is if your tv device in your computer does, not your software |
| 10:05.01 | wols_ | petern_: atsc too |
| 10:05.06 | petern_ | alright |
| 10:05.12 | petern_ | hdmi is not either |
| 10:05.20 | petern_ | coax could be but it's unlikely |
| 10:05.22 | wols_ | ShapeShifter499: I suggest google to find out what your cable box outputs |
| 10:05.23 | ShapeShifter499 | it's a WinTV 950Q tuner |
| 10:05.51 | ShapeShifter499 | wols_, ok |
| 10:05.52 | petern_ | more likely the coax is analogue, but i'm not sure if they even bother with that in the past decade |
| 10:05.57 | wols_ | ShapeShifter499: you can also check what your TV accepts as input on its coax, if you use the coax connector |
| 10:06.46 | wols_ | petern_: could be. no more analog broadcasts over cable so no more signal from the coax |
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| 10:08.07 | petern_ | well tv modulator output was pretty standard once upon a time |
| 10:08.29 | wols_ | still is. just different standards :) |
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| 10:08.33 | petern_ | for home computers and vcrs... |
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| 10:24.14 | ShapeShifter499 | petern_, wols_ I have a box with a model code prn150bnm |
| 10:24.27 | ShapeShifter499 | petern_, wols_ I can't find much info on this box |
| 10:25.28 | ShapeShifter499 | also is it normal for my tuner to run a bit warm (in comparison to my laptop)? |
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| 10:28.01 | petern_ | mine does |
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| 10:30.20 | cooldharma06 | hi all i am facaing small error in debian any suggestion |
| 10:30.28 | cooldharma06 | gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/dharmalingams/.cache/keyring-DWS6bg/pkcs11: No such file or directory |
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| 10:30.36 | cooldharma06 | any suggestions |
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| 10:43.23 | ShapeShifter499 | petern_, if the coaxial output had a signal my tuner supported, me-tv should just display it right? |
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| 10:46.34 | ShapeShifter499 | petern_, brb testing something |
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| 10:51.33 | berarma | Hi, I want to backup some directories across my servers using SSH, the main server syncing and managing backups will run Debian and can connect to the others using SSH. I also want to replicate the backups in the other servers using SSH again. I know about rsync and have googled it but which method would you recommend to make it really easy? |
| 10:51.33 | markovirc | Hello berarma |
| 10:51.56 | berarma | hi markovirc |
| 10:51.57 | markovirc | Hello berarma |
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| 10:58.54 | nabblet | hi, when i play media (music, video) it occasionally loops for less than a second. independent of player. any ideas what to look out for? |
| 10:58.55 | markovirc | Hello nabblet |
| 10:59.14 | nabblet | dmesg doesn't show anything, and my google searches are not specific enough it seems |
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| 10:59.17 | nabblet | markovirc: hi |
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| 11:02.06 | nabblet | or any ideas where to investigate? are there any sound related logs |
| 11:02.17 | nabblet | maybe it's a performance problem? |
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| 11:03.39 | berarma | nabblet: how do you play it? |
| 11:03.54 | berarma | I mean, the apps you've tried |
| 11:03.59 | abrotman | he said regardless of player? |
| 11:04.18 | berarma | yes, sry |
| 11:05.39 | nabblet | berarma: i tried vlc and mplayer mainly |
| 11:05.48 | nabblet | berarma: music and video - same problem |
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| 11:06.43 | nabblet | berarma: as far as i can tell it happens when playing from external and when playing from internal hdd |
| 11:07.37 | OsteHovel | can it be the sound system not keeping in sync or something? |
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| 11:08.15 | nabblet | OsteHovel: maybe, i have no clue where to look. as far as i can tell, i have no pulse, so either it's ALSA or the hardware or ??? |
| 11:08.58 | nabblet | if someone would give me some kind of checklist what to check next, i could go on from there - but right now i don't know what/how else to check |
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| 11:09.13 | nabblet | apart from trying different setups (different players, different media sources) |
| 11:09.22 | nabblet | and maybe different media formats |
| 11:09.52 | berarma | fast loops might be produced because buffers aren't at the needed rate, media apps usually stream from block devices |
| 11:10.02 | berarma | have you tried some game or other kind of sound app? |
| 11:10.13 | berarma | *aren't filled* |
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| 11:10.59 | nabblet | berarma: don't have games and can't download (i'm on mobile internet) |
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| 11:13.07 | nabblet | hm... a video that caused trouble seems to run fine today Oo |
| 11:13.10 | nabblet | ah |
| 11:13.11 | nabblet | nope |
| 11:13.11 | nabblet | :P |
| 11:13.14 | nabblet | stil hangs |
| 11:13.20 | nabblet | i'm 'glad' |
| 11:14.18 | berarma | doesn't the video stutter or pauses too? |
| 11:14.34 | nabblet | sorry, yes, that's waht i mean |
| 11:14.46 | nabblet | for a short moment, less than a second, i loops |
| 11:15.27 | nabblet | ok, the stuttering appears on different positions and does not repeat at the same position, so it's not a problem of the data itself |
| 11:15.30 | nabblet | *it |
| 11:16.09 | berarma | that may be a performance problem, you seemed to have narrowed to sound |
| 11:16.39 | nabblet | well, video too |
| 11:16.44 | nabblet | the video loops to |
| 11:16.51 | nabblet | so video |
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| 11:17.02 | nabblet | and sound stay in sync hile stuttering |
| 11:17.12 | nabblet | *while |
| 11:17.40 | berarma | your computer isn't fast enough, or there's too much going in the background, or there's some fault somewhere in the system |
| 11:18.06 | nabblet | berarma: well, that's what i already know and why i am here :P |
| 11:18.14 | nabblet | htop |
| 11:18.37 | nabblet | sorry, htop says both CPUs are at 75% load |
| 11:19.20 | berarma | an intel atom cpu? |
| 11:19.37 | nabblet | berarma: |
| 11:19.39 | nabblet | yes |
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| 11:20.09 | nabblet | i just stopped iceweasel and jitsi and see if it gets better. cpu load is now at 40% |
| 11:20.16 | ShapeShifter499 | back |
| 11:20.17 | berarma | not very powerful |
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| 11:20.40 | ShapeShifter499 | petern_, back |
| 11:20.41 | nabblet | berarma: it's a lenovo ideapad s12 - i usually go with a minimal install and put fluxbox on top |
| 11:20.55 | nabblet | berarma: i'm not dirving a fully blown DE XD |
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| 11:22.30 | berarma | I run gnome3 and i3 on a HP Mini 210-1010 with an Atom N450 cpu, it runs movies decently with totem but not HD |
| 11:22.32 | nabblet | berarma: i still get loops. cpu usage 40-50%, ram 300/2000 MB |
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| 11:22.56 | v6sa | Hey guys, has anyone here experience installing slapd under wheezy? |
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| 11:27.18 | abrotman | v6sa: probably many folks, why? |
| 11:27.21 | nabblet | interestingly i can't reproduce the errors ... nor predict them |
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| 11:27.51 | v6sa | I am unable to install slapd |
| 11:28.22 | v6sa | dpkg-reconfigure slapd fails |
| 11:28.22 | v6sa | The configuration you entered is invalid. Make sure that the DNS domain name is syntactically valid, the field for the organization is not left empty and the │ │ admin passwords match. If you decide not to retry the configuration the LDAP server will not be set up. Run 'dpkg-reconfigure slapd' if you want to retry later. |
| 11:28.31 | v6sa | Now I can't even install the package anymore |
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| 11:30.43 | abrotman | I can't see what configuration you've entered? |
| 11:31.02 | ShapeShifter499 | petern_, I can't get any stream from my box to me-tv |
| 11:31.10 | ShapeShifter499 | *cable box |
| 11:31.56 | v6sa | abrotman: where is it putting the configuration? |
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| 11:33.51 | abrotman | v6sa: probably in /etc/ somewhere |
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| 11:34.31 | nabblet | v6sa: maybe look in 'man slapd' in the last section called 'FILES' |
| 11:35.14 | v6sa | nabblet: There is no such section |
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| 11:35.40 | v6sa | Generally the lack of documentation and obscure error messages of slapd are driving me nuts |
| 11:35.46 | insayne_ | Hello, on Gnome desktop, i am trying to access my Samba shares, it just tells me they are unaccessible, but it doesnt even prompt for user/password? |
| 11:35.47 | markovirc | Hello insayne_ |
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| 11:36.02 | abrotman | Hello, foo |
| 11:36.03 | markovirc | Hello abrotman |
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| 11:36.13 | insayne_ | lol |
| 11:36.19 | abrotman | markovirc: when you disable that script, please let me know. |
| 11:36.33 | abrotman | insayne_: which version of gnome/debian? |
| 11:36.53 | insayne_ | wheezy, 7.3 |
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| 11:39.48 | insayne_ | it uses nautilus as file browser afaik |
| 11:41.36 | insayne_ | well I get "Unable to mount location" |
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| 11:41.45 | v6sa | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/ksjGiYQ4 |
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| 11:42.30 | nabblet | berarma: i'm watching a movie in vlc, CPU usage @ 22% total, ram usage 330MB/2000MB |
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| 11:42.42 | nabblet | and i am wathcing from external hdd (usb) |
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| 11:45.10 | abrotman | v6sa: what's the output of "host ldap.koodur.com" ? |
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| 11:52.58 | v6sa | abrotman: ldap.koodur.com has address 192.168.72.98 |
| 11:53.37 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 11:53.38 | v6sa | abrotman: I throught /etc/hosts had to be correct .. |
| 11:53.49 | abrotman | your Org name isn't setup it normally should be .. |
| 11:53.50 | v6sa | abrotman: I added entries to my DNS server also |
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| 11:54.05 | v6sa | abrotman: Org name? |
| 11:54.45 | abrotman | v6sa: have you ever used LDAP before? |
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| 11:55.05 | v6sa | abrotman: Not really, I am attempting to set up OwnCloud with OpenLDAP |
| 11:55.15 | abrotman | https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup |
| 11:55.20 | abrotman | Might be some help |
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| 11:55.26 | v6sa | abrotman: I've gone through all the docs online |
| 11:55.40 | abrotman | that doc also ? |
| 11:55.54 | v6sa | abrotman: yes |
| 11:56.22 | abrotman | v6sa: for the "Org" prompt, just try entering 'koodur' |
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| 11:57.34 | v6sa | abrotman: no difference.. |
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| 11:57.52 | v6sa | abrotman: in the docs it says "enter any string" for organization |
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| 11:58.57 | crashev | hello, mongodb-server fails to install under Debian 7.3 Wheeze -> http://pastebin.com/jwxSr7Ge , any idea what's wrong ? |
| 11:59.09 | v6sa | abrotman: my situation could be described as this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openldap/+bug/874339 |
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| 12:00.13 | xand | crashev: looks like it installed but won't start |
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| 12:01.16 | crashev | xand: I think it has something to do with debian init scripts changes, but can't find out what's broken |
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| 12:06.37 | nabblet | hi, i'm using debian and when playing media, the loops for less than a second every mintue or so. cpu and mem are not even close to being stressed. tried different media formats, players and media sources. all show the same sympton. any ideas? |
| 12:07.32 | abrotman | v6sa: lookinhg |
| 12:07.46 | v6sa | abrotman: thanks for help :) |
| 12:08.50 | abrotman | v6sa: can you purge the package and start again? |
| 12:09.00 | abrotman | v6sa: and then pastebin all of the output from installing it |
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| 12:10.56 | mads- | I'm trying to compile Intels Embree. However it says I'm missing _mm_pause. Does anyone know which package include the Intel SIMD Intrinsics? |
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| 12:13.08 | mads- | Not certain |
| 12:13.42 | v6sa | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/5ESXehz6 |
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| 12:15.02 | abrotman | v6sa: is there a sample in /usr/share/doc/slapd/ ? |
| 12:15.33 | v6sa | abrotman: no, because they switched from slapd.conf to the LDFI formatted configuration |
| 12:15.44 | v6sa | which has to be modified *through* LDAP queries |
| 12:15.47 | abrotman | there are still no samples? |
| 12:16.04 | v6sa | abrotman: as I said - no, there are no sample config files there |
| 12:17.04 | v6sa | it's kind of idiotic since to edit the config the LDAP server has to be running |
| 12:17.12 | v6sa | but I can't start it until I have proper config |
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| 12:18.07 | abrotman | v6sa: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=709472 |
| 12:20.06 | v6sa | abrotman: Don't know what to exactly make out of this, so it's the packagers fault? |
| 12:20.16 | v6sa | abrotman: What should/could I do? |
| 12:20.38 | abrotman | v6sa: did you check the other bugs it references? |
| 12:22.45 | v6sa | abrotman: these bugs deal with the slapd package breaking the package management.. |
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| 12:24.05 | abrotman | okay |
| 12:24.19 | v6sa | abrotman: my question is how to feed right configuration to it |
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| 12:24.43 | abrotman | v6sa: touch /etc/ldap/slapd.conf .. try again |
| 12:26.18 | v6sa | fricking hell |
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| 12:26.35 | v6sa | abrotman: why would they force people to use LDIF formatted config |
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| 12:26.43 | abrotman | v6sa: did that work? |
| 12:26.55 | v6sa | well I have to come up with content for slapd.conf |
| 12:27.01 | abrotman | v6sa: but the package configured? |
| 12:27.07 | v6sa | not with empty |
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| 12:27.44 | abrotman | v6sa: it seems like if you set that option to false, it may work |
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| 12:28.28 | v6sa | abrotman: what? :D |
| 12:28.41 | abrotman | v6sa: see the guy's comment, if that option is set to true, it fails |
| 12:29.31 | num7 | Need help, X-server doesn't start here is my xorg.0.loghttp://paste.debian.net/78277/ |
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| 12:29.44 | abrotman | v6sa: so if you need a sample /usr/share/doc/slapd/examples/slapd.conf |
| 12:29.49 | num7 | http://paste.debain.net/78277/ |
| 12:30.11 | abrotman | num7: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 12:30.37 | abrotman | num7: did you create your xorg.conf somewhere? |
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| 12:32.17 | num7 | abrotman: i used the smxi-script and something got messed up, http://paste.debian.net/78279/ |
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| 12:32.56 | abrotman | num7: are you using Debian or sometihng else? |
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| 12:33.19 | num7 | abrotman: crunchbang, i thought is based on debian. |
| 12:33.52 | abrotman | num7: please use #crunchbang, thank you |
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| 12:37.07 | wols_ | !tell num7 about based on debian |
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| 12:43.05 | shredding | Sub |
| 12:43.08 | shredding | sup' |
| 12:43.50 | shredding | Can someone give me a hint: I have two servers and can connect to both via ssh from my local machine, but i can't connect from one server to another (I want to rsync). I can't ping either. |
| 12:44.04 | shredding | And I'm not sure what could be a next step to investigate. |
| 12:44.12 | abrotman | what's the error |
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| 12:44.35 | wols_ | the error when you ping, that makes it easier |
| 12:44.57 | shredding | sek |
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| 12:46.48 | shredding | wols_, abrotman : ssh gives a connection timeout and ping just does nothing, freezed at PING xx.176.132.14 (xx.176.132.14) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 12:47.16 | abrotman | firewall? |
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| 12:47.18 | wols_ | do a traceroute |
| 12:47.59 | shredding | the server is secured via port knocking, but i knocked. |
| 12:48.07 | shredding | wols_: What's a traceroute? |
| 12:48.11 | shredding | I'll google. |
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| 12:48.55 | wols_ | shredding: "traceroute <ip of other server>" |
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| 12:49.23 | shredding | wols_: 30 hops max, 60 byte packets |
| 12:49.24 | shredding | send: Die Operation ist nicht erlaubt |
| 12:49.31 | shredding | (Operation is not permitted) |
| 12:49.39 | wols_ | sounds like a bad config. VPS? |
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| 12:49.58 | shredding | wols_: Yeah. |
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| 12:53.45 | ado | hello, can someone help me make kdeconnect work? |
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| 12:55.26 | wols_ | !tell ado about errors |
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| 12:57.22 | petemc | shredding: try disabling the firewall to test |
| 12:57.35 | ado | well. i don't really know where to look for error logs ... there are no errors popping up, it just doesn't recognize any devices |
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| 12:58.06 | shredding | petemc: I don't know really how to do that, the guys who set this up did cryptic things there. |
| 12:58.14 | shredding | I'll read into firewalls. |
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| 12:59.24 | ado | the firewall is currently disabled |
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| 13:04.55 | v6sa | abrotman: I got slapd installed with manually created config |
| 13:05.09 | v6sa | abrotman: now I have another issue, similar to one I had on another Ubuntu box |
| 13:05.26 | v6sa | abrotman: PHP5 LDAP wrappers seem to fail with invalid DN |
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| 13:06.32 | abrotman | v6sa: have you tried a simple bind with the php code? |
| 13:06.45 | v6sa | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/ZwHHEnim |
| 13:07.06 | abrotman | that's python, not php |
| 13:07.13 | v6sa | abrotman: look below |
| 13:07.14 | abrotman | oh .. /me keeps reading :) |
| 13:07.30 | v6sa | abrotman: I had similar issue on Ubuntu box |
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| 13:07.58 | abrotman | v6sa: are you sure it's even connecting? letalone binding? |
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| 13:08.33 | abrotman | figures the bad credentials mean it is |
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| 13:09.49 | v6sa | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/rYKABt7G |
| 13:10.00 | v6sa | abrotman: these are the logs, PHP code says invalid DN |
| 13:10.15 | abrotman | v6sa: are you able to connect with ldapsearch ? |
| 13:10.29 | v6sa | abrotman: correction - at some point it said invalid DN |
| 13:12.12 | v6sa | abrotman: what. the. fck |
| 13:12.25 | v6sa | abrotman: with PHP it works some other password entered earlier |
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| 13:13.00 | abrotman | heh |
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| 13:13.32 | ville_ | is there a resource on using uefi? |
| 13:13.36 | v6sa | abrotman: what the hell is going on? |
| 13:13.39 | ville_ | really difficult to find anything useful |
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| 13:13.47 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ville_ about uefi |
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| 13:13.54 | abrotman | v6sa: Eggs, lots of eggs |
| 13:14.04 | v6sa | abrotman: eggs? :D |
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| 13:14.13 | ville_ | abrotman: that's not useful. |
| 13:14.36 | ville_ | I know what UEFI is. I have trouble dual booting windows (7) and debian though. |
| 13:14.40 | abrotman | v6sa: It's just as confusing as your slapd setup ;) |
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| 13:14.44 | abrotman | ville_: then say that .. |
| 13:15.03 | ville_ | should I have a single EFI partition? I have two harddrives, linux is on one and windows on the other. |
| 13:15.18 | ville_ | sorry, Debian is on an SSD not an HDD |
| 13:15.38 | v6sa | abrotman: Binding means that the client app sends password to LDAP server and server says if it's correct or not right? |
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| 13:16.31 | abrotman | v6sa: yes |
| 13:17.24 | v6sa | abrotman: why does it work with some password entered earlier? |
| 13:17.36 | abrotman | v6sa: it may have init'ed the DB already |
| 13:18.25 | v6sa | abrotman: why does it make difference like this |
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| 13:19.37 | joj | y |
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| 13:20.29 | abrotman | v6sa: what? |
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| 13:20.51 | v6sa | abrotman: query from PHP works with other password than query from Python |
| 13:21.26 | abrotman | v6sa: so fix the password in python too ? |
| 13:21.40 | v6sa | abrotman: what? |
| 13:22.02 | v6sa | abrotman: query from ldapsearch and PHP work with one password and query from python works with ANOTHER password |
| 13:22.20 | abrotman | v6sa: that doesn't seem right :) |
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| 13:22.45 | v6sa | abrotman: heh, well it seems python code is incorrect |
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| 13:28.56 | hht | hello, i have the newest debian xfce downloaded from site, and it doesnt detect my wifi intel card, every other distro detected it without any problems, what is wrong? |
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| 13:33.06 | wols_ | hht: needs non-free firmware |
| 13:33.13 | wols_ | !tell hht about firmware images |
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| 13:34.04 | hht | i dont understand |
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| 13:35.26 | abrotman | hht: There unofficial images in that link that the bot gave you that include the firmware oyu need for your wireless |
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| 13:35.49 | hht | bot didnt give me anything |
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| 13:36.00 | hht | !tell |
| 13:36.11 | hht | oh there |
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| 13:36.31 | wols_ | hht: /msg dpkg <topic> |
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| 13:36.56 | hht | so this i need as addon to install http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
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| 13:37.25 | hht | or choose from there http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.2.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 13:37.44 | abrotman | the netinst |
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| 13:39.48 | ExeciN | my computer's accelerometer ( /dev/input/js0 ) is used as a joystick. Can I disable this? |
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| 13:40.19 | hht | thanks , i will try |
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| 13:46.36 | cypherdial | Hi all, i just set up a VPS LAMP setup on Debian. I am trying to hook the database up in PHP with mysql_connect function and it works on my home setup but not on the VPS. it just crashes with no error even tho I set up a die error - extension=mysql.so is set up too |
| 13:47.31 | cypherdial | is there a log i can check? |
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| 13:49.05 | abrotman | the apache error log perhaps |
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| 13:52.39 | cypherdial | ok i'm definitely not seeing an entry in /etc/log/apache2/error.log |
| 13:53.27 | abrotman | you mean /var/log/ ? |
| 13:53.41 | cypherdial | yes |
| 13:53.51 | abrotman | cypherdial: turn up the PHP logging |
| 13:54.31 | cypherdial | i've set it to error_reporting(E_ALL); which is what i was expecting to show an error for me |
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| 13:59.44 | cypherdial | thanks all, i didnèt have display_errors=on in php.ini |
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| 14:08.17 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello great guys, i have some pratice with debian but i try help one friend to install debian 7.0.2 , during the install process in the setup program when setup try detect hardware the computer stop to respond the interrupts appear ok bur nunlock works bute the seystem cannot continue the install process the box is one amd64 fx 8 cores with gigabit motherboad anyone have some tip for me? |
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| 14:09.59 | wols_ | SOUL_OF_R00T: ctrl+alt+f2 works? tried expert install? |
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| 14:12.04 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ok wolfs i not have tryed it thanks i try expert install |
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| 14:13.50 | cypherdial | This is what I need to do, but I have no idea how to do it: Make sure you have mysql installed and the php mysql module to go with it. If you installed from source, you will need to reconfigure and add the --with-mysql option |
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| 14:14.14 | cypherdial | i have mysql and php installed, duno how to reconfigure with --with-mysql |
| 14:14.24 | abrotman | You don't have to do that |
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| 14:14.33 | abrotman | Did you install php5-mysql ? |
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| 14:14.54 | cypherdial | yes |
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| 14:15.01 | abrotman | and restarted apache after installing? |
| 14:15.23 | cypherdial | yes.. this is the error ièm getting Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/database.php on line 11 |
| 14:15.34 | cypherdial | so i thought that was the answer |
| 14:15.34 | abrotman | cypherdial: dpkg -l php5-mysql |
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| 14:15.47 | Tenkawa | anyone know any good technique for determing why /dev/input/mice wouldnt be getting created? |
| 14:16.11 | cypherdial | abrotman: whats that forÉ |
| 14:16.15 | cypherdial | ? |
| 14:16.20 | abrotman | cypherdial: to show us ethe line for php5-mysql |
| 14:16.26 | abrotman | show us the |
| 14:16.39 | dvs | $$$? |
| 14:16.44 | abrotman | !!! |
| 14:16.45 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 14:16.58 | cypherdial | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 14:16.58 | cypherdial | | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 14:16.58 | cypherdial | |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 14:16.58 | cypherdial | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 14:16.58 | cypherdial | +++-=========================-=========================-================================================================== |
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| 14:17.11 | abrotman | the line .. not lines ... |
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| 14:17.12 | wols_ | totally blames abrotman for this. it's all YOUR fault |
| 14:17.14 | Tenkawa | fogured out my xorg video problem.. now trying to determine why no kb or mouse input |
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| 14:17.17 | Tenkawa | heheh |
| 14:17.22 | cypherdial | oh well |
| 14:17.23 | cypherdial | sorry |
| 14:17.25 | jel | Tenkawa: tail the logs, plug your mouse in/out? |
| 14:17.26 | wols_ | abrotman: you know to add a | tail -n |
| 14:17.28 | abrotman | cypherdial: we only need the last line |
| 14:17.28 | wols_ | -1 |
| 14:17.40 | abrotman | wols_: Do I have to spell everything out? |
| 14:17.50 | wols_ | abrotman: yes. or are you new here? |
| 14:18.01 | abrotman | But it's not Sunday! |
| 14:18.04 | Tenkawa | jel: no logs... internal touchpad/kb.. |
| 14:18.14 | wols_ | !permasunday |
| 14:18.15 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 14:18.16 | jel | Kernel log, or messages not sure which |
| 14:18.21 | Tenkawa | /dev/input/mice never gets created by udev |
| 14:18.30 | Tenkawa | which in and of itself seems odd |
| 14:18.35 | Tenkawa | 3.8.11 kernel |
| 14:18.44 | abrotman | eh .. where did you get that kernel? |
| 14:18.56 | abrotman | Tenkawa: Which version of Linux is this? |
| 14:19.15 | Tenkawa | abrotman: debian with the chromium kernel (arm chromebook) |
| 14:19.30 | Tenkawa | already fixed a code problem in the armsoc driver to get video running |
| 14:19.35 | wols_ | abrotman: that's easy: it's 3.8.11 of linux :P |
| 14:19.37 | jel | Tenkawa: ahh, then just the logs since boot and check your bios enables it I guess |
| 14:19.42 | wols_ | Tenkawa: why not use a backports kernel? |
| 14:19.56 | Tenkawa | wols_: cant on a arm chromebook |
| 14:20.02 | Tenkawa | missing exynos support |
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| 14:20.12 | Tenkawa | as far as I have read |
| 14:20.19 | ongolaBoy | hello. I try to launch libvirtd with '-l' parameter but it cannot read '/etc/pki/CA/cacert.pem' <-- what package should install that file ? |
| 14:20.19 | markovirc | Hello ongolaBoy |
| 14:20.21 | abrotman | cypherdial: so what's the lsat line ? |
| 14:20.24 | wols_ | Tenkawa: when you plug in the mouse, does the kernel log react? |
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| 14:20.33 | Tenkawa | wols_: plugin?? its a laptop |
| 14:20.33 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@67.43.244.27] by abrotman |
| 14:20.34 | *** kick/#debian [markovirc!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman (you should know better) |
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| 14:20.36 | abrotman | done with that |
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| 14:20.52 | nkuttler | !tell ongolaBoy about search |
| 14:21.15 | Tenkawa | goes and looks at debian's udev rules |
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| 14:23.44 | Tenkawa | oooh |
| 14:24.03 | Tenkawa | adding the rules from the chromeos backup created new udev entries |
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| 14:24.09 | Tenkawa | thats hopeful |
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| 14:24.43 | cypherdial | ii php5-mysql 5.3.3-7+squeeze18 MySQL module for php5 |
| 14:25.14 | abrotman | cypherdial: can you create a phpinfo() page and see if mysql is enabled? |
| 14:25.22 | cypherdial | done |
| 14:25.23 | Tenkawa | hmm. doesnt seem to know how to map the /dev/input/evet* entries |
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| 14:25.35 | Tenkawa | er event* |
| 14:25.57 | cypherdial | http://198.23.128.222/phpinfo.php |
| 14:26.37 | nkuttler | cypherdial: fwiw, you really don't want to share your phpinfo output with the world |
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| 14:26.53 | abrotman | I assume he'll take it down shortly |
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| 14:26.57 | cypherdial | oh ya |
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| 14:27.32 | abrotman | cypherdial: can you pastebin your /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini ? |
| 14:27.45 | cypherdial | yes |
| 14:27.59 | Tenkawa | cypherdial: so what are you trying to fix btw? (I missed the beginning) |
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| 14:29.16 | pederindi | hi, i'm searching a software to vote for proposals, in our university we are thinking what topics are important to debate. A software that permits to make a top10, ideas? Thanks |
| 14:29.21 | abrotman | Tenkawa: php+mysql isn't working on his VPS |
| 14:29.29 | Tenkawa | ahhh |
| 14:29.37 | Tenkawa | what vps type? |
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| 14:29.50 | abrotman | pederindi: openstv ? |
| 14:29.57 | Tenkawa | I've seen some of the providers really goof that part up |
| 14:30.13 | abrotman | Tenkawa: that's what we're trying to figure out |
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| 14:31.21 | Tenkawa | access_log/error_log should say "something" |
| 14:31.25 | Tenkawa | on the webserver |
| 14:31.34 | abrotman | we're working on it .. |
| 14:31.58 | pederindi | abrotman: but we want something more 2.0, as questions & answer, ... ? |
| 14:31.59 | Tenkawa | abrotman: why go back to packages if the errorlog ends up saying bad login/pw or something |
| 14:32.20 | Tenkawa | work from the closest message back |
| 14:32.24 | abrotman | pederindi: then say that when you ask .. |
| 14:32.33 | abrotman | Tenkawa: no .. it's not working at all .. |
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| 14:32.50 | abrotman | thus waiting for cypherdial to pastebin his php.ini |
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| 14:33.10 | cypherdial | tenkawa: i'm getting this error in my browser: Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/database.php on line 11 |
| 14:33.17 | abrotman | ... |
| 14:33.25 | cypherdial | i cant pastebin, i'm using putty |
| 14:33.35 | ompaul | so log onto the debian box |
| 14:33.42 | ompaul | and use that to pastebininit |
| 14:33.42 | Tenkawa | cypherdial: ahhhhh |
| 14:33.47 | abrotman | cypherdial: use w3m as root |
| 14:33.53 | abrotman | can't believe he just said that |
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| 14:34.04 | ompaul | abrotman: you didn't what have you done with abrotman |
| 14:34.06 | abrotman | cypherdial: login, as your normal user, run w3m, upload the file to paste.debian.net |
| 14:34.23 | cypherdial | ok |
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| 14:35.30 | cypherdial | do you think i could have my extensions directory set wrong? that was the last thing i changed and i wasnt sure about it in php.ini |
| 14:35.44 | abrotman | I'm waiting for the pastebin, then we'll look at othe rthings |
| 14:36.20 | Tenkawa | cypherdial: does other php plugins work? |
| 14:36.31 | Tenkawa | easiest way to rule out the extensions dir |
| 14:36.47 | abrotman | can we wait for the damn php.ini to be pasted? |
| 14:37.00 | abrotman | if you keep asking him questions, he'll keep getting distracted |
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| 14:37.21 | cypherdial | i'm trying |
| 14:37.29 | cypherdial | i have no idea how to use w3m but i got it installed |
| 14:37.53 | abrotman | cypherdial: w3m http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 14:37.59 | abrotman | there's a place to upload files |
| 14:38.02 | abrotman | we'll also want /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/mysql.ini |
| 14:38.06 | cypherdial | ok |
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| 14:43.37 | cypherdial | i'm still here, i didn't know how to copy and paste properly so i am installing gedit |
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| 14:44.21 | hht | hm its strange i have netinstall distro of debian, and i can't install codeblocks (http://apt.jenslody.de/), it says that it can't find "jens-lody-debian-keyring" packet, also deb-src and deb commands dont work |
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| 14:44.29 | abrotman | wonders how gedit will fix it .. |
| 14:44.57 | cypherdial | lol i was hoping for an obvious copy command... i was using nano and ctrl-c wasnt working |
| 14:45.48 | ompaul | !tell cypherdial about pastbinit |
| 14:46.03 | nabblet | hi, i'm using debian and when playing media, the loops for less than a second every mintue or so. cpu and mem are not even close to being stressed. tried different media formats, players and media sources. all show the same sympton. any ideas? |
| 14:46.35 | ompaul | cypherdial: please see the message from the bot ( for the pedants I did fix it ;-)) |
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| 14:48.01 | nkuttler | ,v jens-lody-debian-keyring |
| 14:48.02 | judd | No package named 'jens-lody-debian-keyring' was found in i386. |
| 14:48.10 | nkuttler | hht: not surprising.. |
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| 14:48.31 | nkuttler | !tell hht about bat |
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| 14:49.11 | nkuttler | nabblet: "the loops for less than a second every mintue or so" <- does not compute |
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| 14:49.30 | Tenkawa | mouse works now.. |
| 14:49.35 | Tenkawa | just got to figure out the kb |
| 14:49.39 | Tenkawa | heheheh |
| 14:50.02 | hht | ok nvm i read bad instructions, i had to add first some lines to sources.list |
| 14:50.17 | nkuttler | hht: codeblocks is in debian, no need for third party repos. |
| 14:50.44 | nkuttler | hht: why do you think you need a different version? |
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| 14:52.45 | afsal | how to make simple .c program a .deb package |
| 14:53.26 | abrotman | dpkg: tell afsal about nmg |
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| 14:54.52 | hht | nkuttler where is it i can't find it |
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| 14:55.39 | nkuttler | ,v codeblocks |
| 14:55.40 | judd | Package: codeblocks on i386 -- wheezy: 10.05-2.1; wheezy-backports: 13.12-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 13.12-1; sid: 13.12-2 |
| 14:55.58 | nkuttler | hht: are you on wheezy? not i386? |
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| 14:56.24 | hht | i have installed this http://gemmei.acc.umu.se/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 14:56.52 | nkuttler | hht: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list, paste.debian.net |
| 14:56.56 | cypherdial | ok well apparently pastebinit is out of date and i cannot seem to get alt-6 and ctrl-u to work with w3m |
| 14:57.02 | cypherdial | am i screwed? |
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| 14:57.56 | hht | nkuttler http://paste.debian.net/78303 |
| 14:58.15 | nkuttler | hht: have you ever run apt-get update? |
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| 14:58.22 | nkuttler | (anyway, do it now) |
| 14:58.26 | hht | nkuttler yes |
| 14:58.29 | hht | i dit |
| 14:58.48 | nkuttler | hht: do it again, then apt-cache search codeblocks |
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| 14:59.41 | nkuttler | hht: and remove those apt.jenslody.de lines |
| 14:59.42 | hht | i did, it found something, what now? |
| 14:59.45 | hht | ok |
| 14:59.52 | nkuttler | then apt-get update again |
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| 15:00.05 | nkuttler | ,v codeblocks |
| 15:00.06 | judd | Package: codeblocks on i386 -- wheezy: 10.05-2.1; wheezy-backports: 13.12-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 13.12-1; sid: 13.12-2 |
| 15:00.14 | nkuttler | hht: you have the latest release in backports |
| 15:00.19 | nkuttler | no need for that repository |
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| 15:01.23 | hht | ok but where is codeblocks i can't find it |
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| 15:01.49 | hht | paste.debian.net/78305 |
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| 15:02.30 | nkuttler | hht: it's right there in the list... how can you "not find it"? |
| 15:02.52 | nkuttler | hht: are you trying to run it without having it installed? |
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| 15:04.04 | num7 | Need help my X-server don't start INFOs: /etc/X11/xorg.conf (http://paste.debian.net/78302/), xorg.0.log (http://paste.debian.net/78300/) and the output of lspci --n | grep VGA (http://paste.debian.net/78299/). |
| 15:04.33 | hht | ok sorry, im installing |
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| 15:06.01 | hht | ok it have installed and works, thanks for help :) |
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| 15:08.21 | num7 | Need help, my X-server don't start INFOs: /etc/X11/xorg.conf (http://paste.debian.net/78302/), xorg.0.log (http://paste.debian.net/78300/) and the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA (http://paste.debian.net/78299/). |
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| 15:08.42 | nkuttler | !tell num7 about repeating |
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| 15:09.34 | person_ | how do I know which dev device corresponds to which actual device? |
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| 15:10.31 | nkuttler | person_: ls /dev/disk/by-foo ? |
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| 15:11.14 | reavengrey | ,v wine |
| 15:11.16 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-2; sid: 1.6.2-2+b1 |
| 15:11.27 | person_ | I remember there was a command that displayed a lot of information about devices, like manufacturer etc |
| 15:11.38 | cypherdial | what is the extension_dir in php.ini on debian? |
| 15:12.06 | nkuttler | person_: probably some smart tool |
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| 15:12.19 | hht | hm next thing i have haswell pentium g3220 with integrated graphic, are there drivers for it on debian? |
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| 15:12.38 | nkuttler | cypherdial: check your php.ini file |
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| 15:12.48 | reavengrey | How do I check to see if a package is installed? |
| 15:12.59 | cypherdial | nkuttler i changed it and it's wrong now |
| 15:13.01 | nkuttler | reavengrey: i like apt-cache policy foo |
| 15:13.14 | reavengrey | thanks |
| 15:13.32 | nkuttler | cypherdial: seems to be undefined by default |
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| 15:13.42 | cypherdial | yes |
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| 15:13.52 | nkuttler | cypherdial: so it falls back to whatever is the default |
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| 15:14.46 | cypherdial | well i need it to point to the right location because its broken mysql |
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| 15:14.54 | afsal | !tell nmg |
| 15:15.07 | nkuttler | !tell afsal about nmg |
| 15:15.09 | nkuttler | !tell afsal about selftell |
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| 15:15.43 | afsal | dpkg nmg |
| 15:15.43 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 15:15.50 | nkuttler | cypherdial: well like i said... the fallback should be correct.. ;extension_dir = "./" is in my php.ini and is commented out |
| 15:16.28 | cypherdial | ok so i guess i'll just uncomment it then |
| 15:16.45 | nkuttler | cypherdial: i doubt that'll help. what's your error anyway |
| 15:16.49 | nkuttler | but sure, try it |
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| 15:17.36 | cypherdial | Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/database.php on line 11 |
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| 15:18.12 | afsal | dpkg help |
| 15:18.22 | nkuttler | afsal: please /msg the bot |
| 15:18.44 | num7 | How cann i get a higher resoultionn in the tty? - The font is very big. |
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| 15:18.56 | abrotman | num7: again, use #crunchbang |
| 15:19.02 | cypherdial | nkuttler commenting it out fixed it |
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| 15:19.13 | nkuttler | cypherdial: i told you so :) |
| 15:19.20 | cypherdial | thanks !!! |
| 15:19.24 | num7 | abrotman: I asked them, and noone could helped me :( |
| 15:19.45 | nkuttler | and that's our problem because... oh wait, it isn't |
| 15:19.50 | abrotman | num7: then install Debian, we do not support Crunchbang in this channel |
| 15:19.52 | abrotman | or try ##linux |
| 15:20.03 | num7 | abrotman: :D |
| 15:20.05 | wols_ | num7: then ask in ##linux. this is a debian only channel. no support for "based on debian" |
| 15:20.18 | hht | does gnome 3 supports intel graphic card(haswell) ? |
| 15:20.18 | num7 | wols_: thank you i will give it a try |
| 15:20.28 | abrotman | num7: Not amused, go to #crunchbang,##linux, or install Debian. It's pretty simple |
| 15:20.42 | abrotman | hht: with which version of Debian? |
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| 15:20.44 | afsal | nkuttler: i'm just asking about how to make a simple .deb file which contain .c program |
| 15:20.50 | abrotman | afsal: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 15:21.01 | hht | abrotman 7.3.0 wheezy |
| 15:21.03 | abrotman | that guide explains how |
| 15:21.10 | abrotman | hht: I think you need Jessie for haswell support |
| 15:21.50 | hht | so i have to make new install of debian jessie? |
| 15:22.07 | abrotman | no ... |
| 15:22.13 | abrotman | dpkg: tell hht about wheezy->jessie |
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| 15:22.38 | hht | ok thanks i will try :) |
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| 15:32.00 | hht | abrotman how to edit and save file sources.list, i chmod'ed it as 777, and i still can't edit lines and change wheezy to jessie |
| 15:32.10 | xand | lolwhat. |
| 15:32.19 | xand | hht: change the permissions back, and edit it as root. |
| 15:32.35 | stew | you certainly don't need to execute that file |
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| 15:34.13 | wols_ | hht: what program are you using for editing? |
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| 15:38.27 | nabblet | nkuttler: sorry for delay. well, every now and then (roughly in minute-intervalls) it just repeats the last moment that was played |
| 15:38.59 | nabblet | nkuttler: just like stuttering |
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| 15:47.05 | Devastator | it seems /etc/network/interfaces accepts commands using post-up, pre-up etc, is there a way to get the parameters of a interface that is configured with dhcp? |
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| 15:48.25 | hht | wols_ gedit |
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| 15:49.17 | hht | and what are default permissions for sources.list |
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| 15:51.58 | wols_ | hht: 644. and you need to run gedit as root to edit it. gksudo, etc. or you open an xterm and run "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 15:59.42 | nabblet | hi, i'm using debian and when playing media, the loops for less than a second every mintue or so. cpu and mem are not even close to being stressed. tried different media formats, players and media sources. all show the same sympton. any ideas? |
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| 16:01.25 | wols_ | nabblet: intel cpu? if so which one? |
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| 16:02.36 | hht | ok, i have changed all values from wheezy to jessie in sources.list, what now to install haswell graphic drivers ? |
| 16:02.46 | nabblet | wols_: intel atom |
| 16:02.59 | nabblet | wols_: but cpu load is at 16% |
| 16:03.17 | Linuxman255 | It could be his GPU |
| 16:03.21 | wols_ | nabblet: which atom? |
| 16:03.40 | nabblet | Linuxman255: it happens for sound only too |
| 16:03.41 | wols_ | !tell hht about wheezy->jessie |
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| 16:04.03 | nabblet | model name : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz |
| 16:04.06 | abrotman | hht: aptitude install xorg |
| 16:04.06 | nabblet | wols_: ^ |
| 16:04.25 | hht | ah right dist-ugprade |
| 16:04.39 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 16:04.50 | abrotman | I thought he'd already done the dist-upgrade |
| 16:05.54 | nabblet | wols_: i think that sould suffice to play mp3 and some videos (not HD) |
| 16:05.58 | nabblet | *should |
| 16:06.08 | wols_ | nabblet: and what videohip? cause the normal one for this isn't exactly suited for media playback :) which is the reason nvidia ION happened. |
| 16:06.22 | wols_ | nabblet: another possibility is some periodic disk access |
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| 16:06.43 | nabblet | wols_: no, checked with local hdd, external hdd and streams |
| 16:06.48 | Linuxman255 | Try VLC with filecaching set to 10000 |
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| 16:07.02 | nabblet | Linuxman255: interesting! will try. |
| 16:08.41 | JoeE | I did a dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy and when I booted into the new kernel, my filesystem is mounted read only and mount -o remount.rw / fails with a message saying it's write protected. df -h shows / twice; once with "rootfs" as the filesystem and another using the uuid |
| 16:08.54 | Linuxman255 | wols_:That'll be on the bottom of the open file dialog under advanced options |
| 16:09.55 | JoeE | fstab looks correct; any idea what else I can check/do? |
| 16:10.03 | Sylvester23 | Linuxman255: Hehe, nice nick :D Powered by linux™ |
| 16:10.28 | nabblet | Linuxman255: thanks for the hint with the menu. couldn't find anything about cache in the docs |
| 16:10.52 | Linuxman255 | You're welcome |
| 16:11.09 | Sylvester23 | Ya, welcome to linux world |
| 16:11.22 | Linuxman255 | Lol |
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| 16:11.42 | Linuxman255 | More like powered by sid lol |
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| 16:12.32 | nabblet | Linuxman255: wols_ ok i'll let it run (6 hours of vivaldi in one mp3) and see if there is stuttering |
| 16:12.55 | nabblet | Linuxman255: wols_ if there is no stuttering, i'll try video with the same option |
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| 16:12.58 | Linuxman255 | Ok |
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| 16:13.13 | Sylvester23 | Linuxman255: So, this is very funny? Really? |
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| 16:14.33 | shubbar | i am stuck connecting nexus 7 to wheezy, followed (almost) these steps nexus7tablethelp.com/2012/07/connect-nexus-7-to-linux-via-mtp-using.html |
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| 16:17.03 | abrotman | wheezy has broken mtp support |
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| 16:19.46 | nabblet | Linuxman255: wols_ still stutters with mp3 |
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| 16:21.01 | Bridge| | hey guys i'm running squeeze and no network when I installed so got stuck with the cd repo's in /etc/apt/sources.list... tried adding what I though were the main debian squeeze repos to the file but I guess i've added other things, can someone tell me which I really need? http://pastebin.com/0FunK7YT |
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| 16:22.36 | abrotman | Bridge|: you're on wheezy now |
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| 16:23.04 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Bridge| about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 16:23.09 | Bridge| | debian 6 |
| 16:23.29 | abrotman | no, you're ont |
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| 16:23.41 | abrotman | You're using "stable" in your sources, which points at Wheezy, or Debian 7 |
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| 16:24.33 | Bridge| | the install cd said Debian 6 squeeze though (that why I'm assuming that version) |
| 16:25.06 | abrotman | You're using "stable" in your sources, which points at Wheezy, or Debian 7 |
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| 16:25.32 | Bridge| | yea I put things in that as I said probally arent what I was really needing (correct) |
| 16:26.03 | abrotman | Bridge|: Why would you install squeeze, instead of wheezy? |
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| 16:26.34 | Bridge| | because 6 is the one I'll be working with in the lab so I want to get used to it |
| 16:27.52 | abrotman | Do you understand that squeeze is "oldstable" and security support ends in a few months? |
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| 16:28.51 | Bridge| | Thats okay, I just want to mimic what I'll be using in reallife on this VM |
| 16:29.07 | Bridge| | thanks oldstable is what i needed ;) |
| 16:29.10 | wols_ | Bridge|: then why did you manually edit "squeeze" to "stable"? |
| 16:29.21 | wols_ | Bridge|: no it's not. "squeeze" is |
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| 16:39.57 | wbill | Yo |
| 16:40.13 | Linuxman255 | Sup |
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| 16:42.21 | Sylvester23 | wbill: Yo, what's up! |
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| 16:43.06 | Mike9863 | I am ssh'd into a computer that has a harddrive connected to the router. Is it possible for me to access this network drive from my computer through SSH? |
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| 16:43.22 | Sylvester23 | Linuxman_: Hi agin! |
| 16:43.26 | wbill | Test |
| 16:43.42 | rozie | Mike9863: scp |
| 16:43.53 | Linuxman255 | Hi, Figured out my 255 yet? |
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| 16:44.54 | acu | OK, I want a newer kernel for debian wheezy because I want to use btrfs - however I never used backports - special for kernel - are the backports fully "integrated" with stable, I mean, updating the kernel to 3.12 is a big deal, with suposedly a bunch of important changes which might affect other applications ? so any hint - experience will be great |
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| 16:45.50 | wols_ | acu: it won't. it will just work, no worries |
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| 16:49.14 | Nik05 | hello, im not so familiar with mail system, but i got a system which only needs to be able to handle mail that is coming from apt-listchanges, cron to be stored in the root mail spool |
| 16:49.32 | Nik05 | what is a light system to do this? |
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| 16:50.26 | wbill | Test |
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| 16:53.43 | wols_ | Nik05: ssmtp maybe |
| 16:53.45 | wols_ | ,info ssmtp |
| 16:53.46 | judd | Package ssmtp (mail, extra) in wheezy/i386: extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mail hub. Version: 2.64-7; Size: 54.8k; Installed: 8k; Homepage: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/ssmtp.html |
| 16:53.56 | wols_ | sorry, not a MDA it seems |
| 16:54.10 | acu | wols_, thanks - so I just install a package |
| 16:54.15 | acu | !backports |
| 16:54.15 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 16:57.12 | wols_ | acu: normal exim or postfix are lightweight. use one of those |
| 16:57.25 | Nik05 | thats to me? |
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| 16:58.30 | wols_ | yes |
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| 16:58.49 | alexxio | hello |
| 16:59.03 | alexxio | my system has strangely and suddely become slow |
| 17:00.06 | nkuttler | alexxio: use top/htop first |
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| 17:01.19 | _alla | praise be |
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| 17:09.19 | manzdagratiano | Greetings Debian folk! I have a question about adopting an orphaned package; the package in question is blackbox, which is listed on the orphaned page |
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| 17:09.43 | manzdagratiano | But, I do see it being uploaded to launchpad quite frequently |
| 17:09.53 | manzdagratiano | So I am not sure if it really is orphaed |
| 17:09.58 | manzdagratiano | **orphaned |
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| 17:10.27 | manzdagratiano | Would someone please be able to confirm that for me? |
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| 17:10.59 | tremon | launchpad isn't debian |
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| 17:11.37 | manzdagratiano | Ah okay - I wasn't sure if we were using launchpad for some source |
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| 17:11.53 | tremon | orphaned means that no debian maintainer is currently maintaining that package |
| 17:11.57 | manzdagratiano | This is the orphan bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573407 |
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| 17:13.24 | manzdagratiano | My confusion arises because on the following page: https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/blackbox/+changelog |
| 17:13.34 | manzdagratiano | The uploaded is a Debian maintainer |
| 17:13.46 | manzdagratiano | HIGUCHI Daisuke (VDR dai) <dai@debian.org> |
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| 17:14.12 | manzdagratiano | So I was wondering if it is being actively maintained, but with a stale bug report |
| 17:14.31 | abrotman | manzdagratiano: debian.org/devel/wnpp has a list of packages that need help |
| 17:15.06 | abrotman | manzdagratiano: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573407 |
| 17:15.13 | abrotman | oh, duh |
| 17:15.29 | abrotman | manzdagratiano: So if you want to adopt it, there's a procedure for that I believe |
| 17:15.30 | manzdagratiano | @abrotman Thanks! |
| 17:16.17 | abrotman | manzdagratiano: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might be more help about the adoption process |
| 17:16.24 | manzdagratiano | Yeah - I was just wondering if dai@debian.org was maintaining it and if that is being tracked somewhere - I was confused by Launchpad, where the last upload is 2 days ago |
| 17:16.50 | manzdagratiano | I should probably shoot him an email |
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| 17:17.28 | tremon | daj is part of the debian QA group. They don't maintain packages, but perform routine maintenance if required |
| 17:17.53 | manzdagratiano | Oh thanks... That explains a lot of things |
| 17:18.41 | abrotman | manzdagratiano: launchpad has nothing to do with Debian |
| 17:18.48 | manzdagratiano | I should ask on #debian-mentors about how to go about doing this; before I try to adopt it, I would like to establish (to myself most of all) if I am competent enough in the first place |
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| 17:20.32 | manzdagratiano | I know launchpad is an Ubuntu thing, but since Debian folk do contribute to Ubuntu, and if one of them was maintaining the package there, I just thought they might be maintaining it in Debian as well. That they are QA folk explains this I guess. |
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| 17:22.12 | manzdagratiano | Shooting Daisuke San an email asking for details |
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| 17:25.45 | wols_ | manzdagratiano: launchpad is filled by normal users of ubuntu, not developers of it |
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| 17:28.11 | manzdagratiano | @wols_ Not developers? Don't the devs upload package sources there? |
| 17:28.12 | casaper | hi. Im kind of stuck with luks/dm-crypt . I'm looking for something like pamusb for luks. Does anything like that exist, and if, what would that be? |
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| 17:29.53 | casaper | so Id like to publickkey identify via usbstick, but not to pam, It would be great to supply dm-cryp with its passphrase that way |
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| 17:34.20 | tonph | hi everyone, just a newbie... I want to purchase a universal dongle that can fit in my debian , I know the problem of drivers so just asked. |
| 17:34.39 | frostschutz | casaper, you could make an udev rule that runs a script when the stick is plugged in. the script could then open the luks container with a keyfile on the stick. bit of a "custom" solution, dunno about something ready-to-use, sorry |
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| 17:35.39 | Spec[x] | Hello. I'm using a thing based off debian (sorry). Is there any tcp wrapper that will allow me to force an executable to bind to localhost instead of *:####? |
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| 17:36.00 | tonph | can anyone please suggest some brands as such |
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| 17:36.09 | Mikaela | Spec[x]: You are probably on wrong channel then. See /msg alis *your_distro* |
| 17:36.17 | bt6 | I am trying to mount a network drive on my system with fstab, but I'm getting an error. Can anyone help? Here is my line and the error: http://pastebin.com/iYHq24t5 |
| 17:36.21 | Spec[x] | Mikaela: Yes, I'm in raspbian, not very active. :-/ |
| 17:36.35 | tonph | I am referring to internet dongles :) |
| 17:36.37 | Spec[x] | but a tcp wrapper is a tcp wrapper ;) |
| 17:37.07 | Mikaela | Spec[x]: This channel can't offer support for Debian based distributions, because we don't know what their developers have changed from Debian. |
| 17:37.22 | casaper | frostschutz: ok, thx for the info. But i'm kind of stuck, because a uncommon solution is not suitable. But how can this be done commonly. I can expect the user to enter a kind of hard passphrase on bootup, but I was just looking for something saver |
| 17:37.25 | casaper | safer |
| 17:37.27 | tremon | casaper: debian has a keyscript luks extension (passdev keyscript) that can unlock a luks container from a file on a random volume. I don't think there are hotplug hooks for it, you'd need to write that yourself |
| 17:37.38 | Spec[x] | I realize that, I was looking for a package name or documentation reference to look into |
| 17:37.49 | Spec[x] | Mikaela: i know if i run across a problem, i won't ask here ;) |
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| 17:38.24 | casaper | tremon: ok thx, sounds interesting. But only common, stable solutions are usable here |
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| 17:39.03 | frostschutz | casaper, well, I do the passphrase on bootup myself, but the usb stick is /boot and the passphrase is for a luks container on the usb stick which in turn contains key files for the luks containers on the SSD/HDD |
| 17:39.07 | casaper | tremon: but I haven't hit any mentions on passdev keyscript so far, so I'll have to dig the docs for this then |
| 17:39.13 | frostschutz | casaper, but that too is a custom solution |
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| 17:39.44 | krababbel | I get a unusable display using EFI-boot in a HyperV VM. Is there a workaround? |
| 17:39.50 | tremon | casaper: zless /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.initramfs.gz is the only reference I know |
| 17:41.34 | abrotman | tonph: wifi? wired? 3g? |
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| 17:42.27 | casaper | frostschutz: so that means I'd kind of set up debian to use the usbstick as /boot, ok ic |
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| 17:45.17 | frostschutz | casaper, yes. and if you keep the stick on your person at all times, someone with physical access to your machine has to do better than just install a keylogger or modify your unencrypted HDD-/boot or |
| 17:46.53 | \\Mr_C\\ | dell d630 how to enable caller id on the internal modem... what is the at command? |
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| 17:48.55 | LtL | \\Mr_C\\: AT init strings are modem specific, not a debian question afaik |
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| 17:50.50 | casaper | ok, thanks tremon and frostschutz! |
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| 18:00.33 | zophy | wowser, visual studio 2013 has GIT as a menu choice for the source control system |
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| 18:01.39 | libcracka | hello kind people of #debian, I downloaded debian-testing-amd64-DVD-2.iso, and am using linux live usb creator in windows to create a live usb, is installing it sufficient to have it up and running and doing debian things? |
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| 18:01.54 | dlind | Hi, has anyone ever encountered this? http://pastebin.com/AjF2QSds |
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| 18:04.41 | wols_ | libcracka: if it works, yes. big if. the testing installed is not suited to installing debian. and the live usb creator isn't either |
| 18:04.45 | rwp | libcracka, DVD-1 is the boot disk and the only one you need. I don't think DVD-2 is bootable. It contains additional packages. |
| 18:04.54 | abrotman | dlind: which version of apt-show-versions is that? |
| 18:05.13 | wols_ | libcracka: win32diskimager can be used under windows to create a debian install usb stick |
| 18:05.23 | libcracka | wols_ ay thank you |
| 18:05.45 | libcracka | rwp Thank you, it's half way done if it doesn't work i'll do what you suggested |
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| 18:05.50 | dlind | abrotman: 0.22.3 |
| 18:06.00 | wols_ | libcracka: and what rwp write. missed the dvd-2 part. dvd2 is not bootable |
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| 18:06.21 | rwp | libcracka, I suggest downloading only the netinst disk #1. It is small. It will do everything you need. |
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| 18:07.15 | rwp | For some reason I have seen several people confuse the additional disks with later versions and trying for later versions and not realizing that they are additional packages. |
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| 18:08.42 | abrotman | dlind: have you checked the BTS? |
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| 18:09.38 | dlind | abrotman: BTS..? :P |
| 18:10.07 | libcracka | awesome thank you all |
| 18:10.09 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 18:10.17 | dlind | abrotman: yes, seriously |
| 18:10.29 | tonph | hi just was searching for internet dongle compatible with debian. |
| 18:10.38 | tonph | usb dongle.... |
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| 18:11.12 | abrotman | dlind: When you run testing or unstable, you're expected to look in the BTS first. bugs.debian.org/apt-show-versions |
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| 18:11.39 | dlind | abrotman: oh, I wasn't aware, thanks for the info |
| 18:11.40 | Walex | tonph: what kind? |
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| 18:12.01 | gnu-man | There are some directories.d like /etc/apt/conf.d/ which contain files prefixed with a number. So this is used to enforce an order in which those files are loaded / interpreted? |
| 18:12.16 | gnu-man | Is this just for overriding files each other in a specific order? |
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| 18:12.31 | gnu-man | Does this number prefix would also make sense for directories like /etc/profile.d/ ? |
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| 18:12.56 | rwp | gnu-man, yes on apt.conf.d but profile.d is mostly a bad idea. |
| 18:13.15 | rwp | Because requiring people to log out and log back in again to get a config is a bad idea. |
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| 18:13.41 | gnu-man | rwp: you mean those people who are already logged in would have to re-login in order to get the new profile config? |
| 18:13.46 | Miesco_ | How do I stop gnome? It started automatically and I don't want it running or to start at all |
| 18:13.56 | Miesco_ | It started when I booted |
| 18:13.57 | rwp | gnu-man, Correct. |
| 18:13.59 | gnu-man | rwp: but those people who were not logged in during modification would get the new config directly after their next login, right? |
| 18:14.05 | rwp | gnu-man, Correct again. |
| 18:14.25 | gnu-man | rwp: ok, and is there another, more immediate way to make those configs (mostly environment variables) persistent and directly available? |
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| 18:14.48 | tonph | Walex: I want sim based universal dongles... where i can use 3G on that |
| 18:14.51 | rwp | gnu-man, Please describe a little bit about what you are trying to set? |
| 18:15.08 | gnu-man | rwp: yes |
| 18:15.32 | Walex | tonph: almost all use the standarrd modem AT command set. E.g. the very common Huawei ones. |
| 18:15.35 | rwp | gnu-man, Mostly anything that needs to set variables really needs to set them by some other means. Often upstreams don't understand this and so there is a need to create a wrapper for them. |
| 18:15.37 | gnu-man | rwp: globally, but especially for root user (even when invoked over sudo) I want to set several environment variables (http_proxy and https_proxy). |
| 18:16.53 | rwp | gnu-man, Ah.... http_proxy and friends. |
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| 18:17.45 | Sylvester23 | Whats up gnu-man! |
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| 18:18.37 | rwp | gnu-man, I think /etc/environment is still the recommended place to set those. Let's see if anyone suggests something different. |
| 18:18.51 | rwp | gnu-man, But again people need to log out and log back in again for those to take effect. |
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| 18:19.24 | rwp | gnu-man, Personally I have always avoided ever needing to set those by having control of the router and fixing things globally there. |
| 18:19.36 | tonph | Walex: Thanks for the Information, and is there any other brand that has compatibility ? |
| 18:19.47 | wols_ | rwp: /etc/environment is been "deprecated" since lenny or so, but still works awesomley :P |
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| 18:21.59 | phogg | wols_: really? What's the replacement? |
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| 18:22.39 | wols_ | phogg: no clue. probably none :) which is why it still works |
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| 18:23.18 | rwp | Probably this is /etc/environment in relation to setting locale's LANG variables there. Because that should now be /etc/default/locale now. |
| 18:23.50 | rwp | The locale settings always used to be in /etc/environment. But /etc/environment has a trouble history of being used or not used by various things. |
| 18:24.11 | rwp | And so the locale setting wasn't uniformly getting used. So they created /etc/default/locale for it. |
| 18:24.31 | rwp | The problem is that there is a difference between processes like users that log in and so go through PAM and so get set up there. |
| 18:24.37 | Mikaela | I think that Ubuntu uses /etc/environment for PATH. |
| 18:24.48 | rwp | And daemons that start at boot time and are launched through /etc/init.d/* and don't log in with PAM. |
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| 18:25.24 | rwp | so people keep trying to solve the problem in different ways. And along the way create different problems. And then changing things to solve that problem. |
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| 18:25.56 | rwp | As far as I can see they haven't quite completely solved the problem yet. So I expect things to continue to be in motion for a while still. |
| 18:26.52 | rwp | As far as I know /etc/environment originated on IBM AIX and so wasn't used on HP-UX for example. Not sure about Solaris. Started showing up in GNU/Linux distros later. |
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| 18:29.48 | tonph | Please suggest some of the internet usb dongle compatible with debian |
| 18:29.57 | tonph | am using wheezy > |
| 18:30.35 | Sylvester23 | tonph: hmm, show your lsusb |
| 18:31.58 | Walex | tonph: almost all, there are few exceptions. |
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| 18:33.00 | abrotman | Sylvester23: how will that help? |
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| 18:33.21 | tonph | Walex: I dont have yet bought the dongle, just wanted suggestion which one should I go like that :) |
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| 18:34.11 | Sylvester23 | tonph: usb dongle wireless or ethernet? |
| 18:34.52 | tonph | Sylvester23: its wireless SIM base |
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| 18:35.45 | abrotman | Sylvester23: he doesn't have it yet .. |
| 18:35.54 | Sylvester23 | tonph: HDSPA+ or LTE? |
| 18:36.22 | tonph | Sylvester23: LTE will do the work |
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| 18:37.36 | gnu-man | rwp: and if want to set those variables only for one user (root)? |
| 18:38.19 | Sylvester23 | tonph: Hmm... Maybe ZTE MF192? |
| 18:38.27 | sunkan | Just got myself a new A10 GPU from AMD, I think I will need the newest drivers from AMD any ideas on getting there? The .deb package system seems to be terribly outdated in the AMD installation.. |
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| 18:39.42 | tonph | Sylvester23: thanks, So I belive the drivers are inbuilt with debian or do it needs extra driver installation ? |
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| 18:42.45 | Sylvester23 | tonph: accurately |
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| 18:44.27 | tonph | Sylvester: Thanks for the info :) |
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| 18:53.02 | wepopple | hello |
| 18:53.18 | centrx | Ahoy |
| 18:53.36 | wepopple | i like the default debian console font, how do i find what it is so I can set it in xterm |
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| 18:55.29 | Sylvester23 | hi all! |
| 18:55.37 | centrx | wepopple, http://www.e-rave.nl/change-default-console-font-in-debian |
| 18:55.41 | centrx | Ahoy |
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| 19:01.51 | Roland- | Hi. can i use linux if I have two wans... to route specific traffic to an wan and so on ? with backup scenarios ... what doc shalt I look into |
| 19:01.54 | wepopple | thanks |
| 19:02.02 | GJdan | hmm mariadb is a bit of a pain to get working on debian |
| 19:02.08 | GJdan | wel fine to get working |
| 19:02.12 | GJdan | just updates are a pain :) |
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| 19:02.37 | Sylvester23 | Roland-: Hmm you can use a ip route? |
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| 19:03.17 | Roland- | that simple huh :P |
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| 19:09.33 | humbolt | I have moved /tmp and thereby deleted a socket file, which an app, which I can not restart, needs to connect to. The now deleted file is still opened by the app. Is there a way to restore it? |
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| 19:10.52 | centrx | humbolt, There might be some fancy way to do it, but why can't you restart the app? |
| 19:11.02 | wols_ | humbolt: is the app behaving wrongly with the missing file? |
| 19:11.36 | wols_ | afaik will it continue to work normally until the app stops. then the file will actually be deleted, not before |
| 19:11.47 | humbolt | wols_: not the app, but nginx, which needs to connect to the socket and which I have already restarted, so it is not hooked to the old socket still. |
| 19:12.15 | wols_ | create the file again with the proper content. whatever that content is |
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| 19:12.48 | humbolt | wols_: exactly, it is still there somehow. I thought I could maybe identify the inode and recreate the link in the filesystem (don't know if I am using the right terms here). |
| 19:13.07 | humbolt | wols_: it is a socket |
| 19:13.16 | humbolt | unicorn socket |
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| 19:15.00 | humbolt | This is what lsof tells me about this: ruby 51644 app 7u unix 0xffff880036731040 0t0 373106550 /tmp/unicorn.mlted_service.sock |
| 19:15.00 | casaper | tremon and frostschutz: I just popped into a really userstyle howto on the topic, if you're interested into the solution. It seems quite easy to set up. The interesting stuff is at the pages bottom: http://systematicrandomness.com/posts/112 |
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| 19:17.59 | casaper | tremon and frostschutz: but it would be even better if There'd be a solution to passphrase that key as well, just like ssh or gpg |
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| 19:19.51 | frostschutz | casaper, I passphrase mine with luks, that way you don't have to have yet another program that does encryption in your initramfs |
| 19:20.43 | ni571891 | hello everyone. I am installing Debian in my server right now, and for some reason, I am unable to resolve any DNS request as well as ping anything outside of my router. I can ping other computers on my local network, as well as connect to the server from them. do you know how I can connect to the internet?? I am desperate at this point... |
| 19:20.45 | frostschutz | casaper, not sure if crypttab could be coerced to do that for you. maybe have a look at that passdev script and adapt. |
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| 19:21.49 | ni571891 | it is the Debian dvd1 also. |
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| 19:24.53 | abrotman | ni571891: what's in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 19:25.59 | mjt | "can't ping anything outside lan" may indicate a problem more serious than dns misconfig... |
| 19:26.18 | ni571891 | I can't see too much, but is says "search hsd1.in.comcast.net" as well as "nameserver 75.75.75.75" with the .76 below it |
| 19:26.43 | abrotman | mjt: start with one problem .. |
| 19:27.00 | abrotman | ni571891: those are your ISP DNS given by DHCP |
| 19:27.09 | ni571891 | it is the oddest thing :P all my other devices on the LAN can access internet (as you can tell) |
| 19:27.29 | abrotman | ni571891: can you resolve hostnames? orjust not reach them? |
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| 19:28.18 | ni571891 | a abrotman it seems I cannot do either... |
| 19:28.52 | zophy | is there an Aussie debian distro ? |
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| 19:29.08 | zophy | is there an Aussie linux distro ? |
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| 19:29.26 | ni571891 | the installer gives me a "bad archive mirror" but I believe that is related to this issue. |
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| 19:30.09 | centrx | zophy, What would that be like? |
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| 19:30.50 | zophy | a southern northern candied nuts extravaganza |
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| 19:30.59 | ni571891 | abrotman I can ping my external up address though?! |
| 19:31.00 | abrotman | looks at zophy |
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| 19:31.03 | zophy | with sweet bread |
| 19:31.07 | abrotman | ni571891: can you ping 8.8.8.8 ? |
| 19:31.34 | zophy | 4.2.2.2 |
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| 19:31.52 | abrotman | zophy: Don't you have somewhere else to play? |
| 19:32.21 | zophy | is there an Aussie linux distro ? |
| 19:32.31 | zophy | that is a legit question |
| 19:32.40 | ni571891 | abrotman I have no replays from any of the DNS servers. 8.8.8.8 did not reply |
| 19:33.07 | abrotman | zophy: this is #debian, do you need help with Debian? |
| 19:33.52 | abrotman | ni571891: Could be your router blocking it though .. check your route .. route -n |
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| 19:34.40 | zophy | is there an debian based distro that comes from the Aussie land down under ? |
| 19:35.04 | abrotman | zophy: We support Debian here, not things based on Debian. One more time, do you need help with Debian? |
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| 19:36.37 | ni571891 | abrotman, I see two "rules", with the 2nd listing 0.0.0.0 as the gateway! how do I remove this evil setting? |
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| 19:36.58 | abrotman | ni571891: you're supposed to have two lines |
| 19:37.00 | ni571891 | the first rule lists 10.0.0.1 as the gateway, which is correct |
| 19:37.14 | zophy | 0.0.0.0 is the default gateway |
| 19:37.30 | abrotman | no ... |
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| 19:37.37 | zophy | i thought |
| 19:37.38 | ni571891 | damnit... I thought I figured it out. |
| 19:37.47 | levinster | Hi I had a question about reporting bugs on wheezy. Is there a place to search to see if the problem I am having has already been submitted? |
| 19:37.59 | abrotman | levinster: bugs.debian.org/<pkgname> |
| 19:38.46 | levinster | thanks abrotman, also what package would wifi problems fall under network manager? |
| 19:38.51 | zophy | bugs are mexican food and debian conclusions yet to come |
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| 19:39.12 | abrotman | zophy: I think that's enough out of you, go play somewhere else |
| 19:39.14 | levinster | im guessing zophy is a bot |
| 19:39.27 | abrotman | He's not a bot. He's being an idiot. |
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| 19:39.43 | ni571891 | hehe |
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| 19:39.45 | levinster | that much is clear |
| 19:40.00 | abrotman | levinster: It depends if it's just a problem with your device or actually network-manager |
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| 19:41.27 | hiyo | how can I make an ISO image that is preconfigured with settings I need, like say for a mass install? Also how do I setup debian so I can install it over a network for mass installs as well |
| 19:41.46 | ni571891 | an done have any other ideas??? :/ |
| 19:41.48 | abrotman | dpkg: tell hiyo about preseed |
| 19:41.51 | abrotman | dpkg: tell hiyo about fai |
| 19:41.57 | ni571891 | *anyone |
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| 19:42.11 | abrotman | ni571891: so you can or cannot resolve hostnames? |
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| 19:42.35 | ni571891 | still can't. it's quit odd |
| 19:42.54 | abrotman | ni571891: try "dig www.google.com @8.8.8.8" |
| 19:43.07 | rwp | ni571891, I think either your default route is messed up or the router you are using has a default route that is messed up. |
| 19:43.14 | hiyo | abrotman: thanks, also is there a program so that I could manage all the system I installed (like install new software to them all at once) |
| 19:43.31 | abrotman | hiyo: puppet/chef/salt/ansible .. Configuration Management Software |
| 19:43.31 | rwp | ni571891, Can you talk to your router? Is it a consumer web admin thing? Log into it and check its settings. |
| 19:44.01 | levinster | abrotman: I am not sure if it's network manager, what I do know is that whenever I use an application with many network connections (ex transmission) my wifi disconnects and only a restart restores it. |
| 19:44.13 | abrotman | levinster: which wifi device do you have? |
| 19:44.23 | abrotman | levinster: also, which kernel? (uname -a) |
| 19:44.27 | ni571891 | I still cannot access 8.8.8.8 abrotman |
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| 19:44.57 | rwp | ni571891, Can you ping 8.8.8.8? |
| 19:44.59 | abrotman | ni571891: you're ssh'ed into the box? |
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| 19:45.19 | ni571891 | rwp I can, I have one of the shitty arris routers that Comcast gives us. I cannot ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 19:45.42 | abrotman | ni571891: that's your modem, not your router |
| 19:45.59 | abrotman | ni571891: are you SSHed into the box? |
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| 19:46.54 | ni571891 | abrotman it is our router. the internet comes through the cable line. also, I am accessing it through tty2 on the server. |
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| 19:47.08 | rwp | That comcast is both his modem and his router. And if he can't ping through then DNS is not the problem. It is a routing problem. Or the modem is not associated. |
| 19:47.32 | abrotman | rwp: which would be a miracle given that he's IRCing with us |
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| 19:47.49 | abrotman | ni571891: so it's a combo device? |
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| 19:47.58 | rwp | Depends upon what he is using. |
| 19:48.00 | ni571891 | rwp but the modem was not associated, I would not have access to the internet through my otherdrvices |
| 19:48.07 | ni571891 | abrotman bingo |
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| 19:48.21 | rwp | Okay. The double negative typos are throwing me crazy loops. |
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| 19:48.28 | levinster | abrotman: wifi card is intel 4965agn, not sure on the kernel im running, I will check when I get back home |
| 19:48.41 | rwp | The modem was associated. You can ping the outside world. |
| 19:48.44 | ni571891 | rwp, sorry, I meant "but if the modem..." |
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| 19:48.56 | abrotman | levinster: I'm guessing you just need a newer kernel, which are easy to obtain from wheezy-backports |
| 19:49.13 | ni571891 | I am also connecting to this irc through the same router as this sever is on |
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| 19:49.44 | rwp | And also with cell phone modems everywhere I have repeated found people using the cell modem while debugging their landline. |
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| 19:50.18 | rwp | So from my perspective it wasn't unreasonable to ask. |
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| 19:50.57 | ni571891 | rwp, my apologies if I sounded rude. that was a resonance question to ask. |
| 19:51.25 | abrotman | ni571891: the system uses DHCP ? |
| 19:51.34 | levinster | abrotman: thanks again for the help, i'll be checking my kernel version later tonight |
| 19:53.15 | ni571891 | abrotman, yes. the installer returned that I was connected successfully with dhcp |
| 19:53.31 | ni571891 | is there a command that I can use to check this?? |
| 19:53.43 | ni571891 | ifconfig does not work. |
| 19:54.17 | wols_ | what ifconfig command is not working? |
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| 19:55.03 | ni571891 | wols_ it is from the Debian installer tty2. very minimalist if |
| 19:55.19 | rwp | What does not work about it? |
| 19:55.27 | wols_ | the installer has busybox and therefore ifconfig imho |
| 19:56.08 | ni571891 | it says ifconfig not found. |
| 19:56.09 | abrotman | levinster: sounds good |
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| 19:56.54 | rwp | If it is not found then that is very different from not working. |
| 19:57.32 | rwp | ni571891, It sounds to me so far that your machine is not dhcp'ing onto the local network. |
| 19:57.48 | rwp | ni571891, Wh? Could be a thousand reasons specific to your network. |
| 19:57.49 | ni571891 | I am using the sh shell and ifconfig is not found. |
| 19:58.25 | ni571891 | rwp it seems so... how do I check? ip link? |
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| 19:58.49 | rwp | ni571891, If you have "ip" in busybox at tty2 then yes, "ip addr show" |
| 19:59.04 | rwp | But I didn't think that was in busybox at that point. And I am not in a position to be able to check. |
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| 20:00.57 | rwp | I once chatted with someone who couldn't dhcp and they eventually revealed that they had restricted their dhcp server to only give out exactly one free pool address ever. Ugh! That isn't enough. |
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| 20:01.11 | Roland- | question: cfq noop or deadline for a hardware raid10 setup ? |
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| 20:02.17 | ni571891 | haha, it is. ip addr show returns 10.0.0.101/24, so my ip is 10.0.0.101. I have that set to give it to my Mac when shop is requested from it |
| 20:02.27 | cbt998 | anyone here that can advise on what video card to buy that works with debian7 ? |
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| 20:02.56 | wols_ | cbt998: for what purpose? |
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| 20:02.57 | Roland- | use some nvidia cbt998 |
| 20:03.01 | ni571891 | my gtx 550 ti works on my upstairs Debian install |
| 20:03.01 | rwp | ni571891, And what does the route show for "ip route show"? |
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| 20:03.03 | Roland- | ati have issues with drivers |
| 20:03.07 | tassit | cbt998: what are you planning on doing with it? |
| 20:03.26 | tassit | cbt998: There are a lot of video cards that work on Debian, do you want 3d acceleration? |
| 20:03.49 | ni571891 | rwp it says 10.0.0.0/24 ... src 10.0.0.101 |
| 20:03.54 | frostschutz | Roland-, for my software raid 5, I'm happy with noop and disabled ncq, but you must find your own preference |
| 20:04.02 | cbt998 | simple work, but getting into some litecoins gpu mining would be nice as well but main priority is as little hassle with getting it to work |
| 20:04.14 | cbt998 | so something in de price range of 450$ |
| 20:04.31 | rwp | ni571891, Does it have a line like "default via 10.0.0.1 dev eth0" or other? |
| 20:04.33 | ni571891 | amd r9 290x is AWESOME |
| 20:04.35 | wols_ | cbt998: for mining, you can only use AMD. and despite the misinformation by Roland-, amd videocards will work as well |
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| 20:05.03 | rwp | ni571891, The "src" line is simply your local lan. Not a default route. |
| 20:05.11 | ni571891 | rwp, I don't see a line like that... |
| 20:05.18 | rwp | Then you have no default route. |
| 20:05.21 | rwp | That is a problem. |
| 20:05.30 | ni571891 | :D |
| 20:05.34 | rwp | You will be able to get to other IP addresses on your local subnet. |
| 20:05.49 | rwp | But you will have no way of talking to addresses upstream on the global Internet. |
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| 20:06.03 | ni571891 | shit. I do see that line right above it... |
| 20:06.07 | cbt998 | thx, i'll have look at R9 290X then |
| 20:06.16 | cbt998 | no big driver drama i hope? |
| 20:06.17 | rwp | So you do have a default route? |
| 20:06.34 | ni571891 | default via 10.0.0.1 dev eth0 is present |
| 20:06.43 | abrotman | ni571891: if you look at "route -n", do you have a UG line ? |
| 20:06.43 | rwp | Okay good. Then you were able to dhcp okay. |
| 20:07.03 | ni571891 | rwp but still no internet access...:( |
| 20:07.13 | rwp | Too bad ping isn't included in the busybox. I just booted a VM to try it and it isn't there. |
| 20:07.30 | ni571891 | cbt998 no prob:) |
| 20:08.01 | frostschutz | busybox has ping, you just need a full version of it and not something castrated to a specific small minded purpose |
| 20:08.16 | tassit | ni571891: Qucik question, what have you heard about the open source radeon drivers for 3D on Linux? |
| 20:08.38 | ni571891 | rwp when I type ping, it does not give me any requests, and when I ping n ip, it says "PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8): 56... |
| 20:08.43 | tassit | I have an older Radeon HD 4670 on my linux box and had the thought of toying around with steam. |
| 20:08.44 | eblip | im trying to kill a process but it wont die |
| 20:08.47 | eblip | what can i do |
| 20:08.58 | eblip | i have issued kill 25070 |
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| 20:09.02 | wols_ | ni571891: ping your router instead |
| 20:09.03 | phogg | eblip: kill -QUIT 25070 |
| 20:09.10 | eblip | thanks phogg |
| 20:09.12 | abrotman | ni571891: if you look at "route -n", do you have a UG line ? |
| 20:09.23 | phogg | eblip: you could also try and find out why it's not responding to TERM |
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| 20:09.33 | ni571891 | tassit no idea:P I don't have an amd card. I've only got a gtx 550 |
| 20:09.41 | frostschutz | tassit, I played HL2 with the open drivers on a HD 5850. it was eugh-kay. I'm on Haswell with Intel HD 4600 now, it's just slightly worse |
| 20:09.48 | phogg | eblip: if QUIT doesn't work, try INT. As a last resort you can try KILL (aka -9), but only if absolutely necessary. That always works. |
| 20:10.08 | MasterAccurate | hi debian users! I hope you like the new SEConnector firewalling/routing gateway SECurity-System Version 1.2 Beta is published now on www.SEConnector.eu & http://seconnector.sf.net/ - Have a lot of SECurity with that! :D OpenSource! :) |
| 20:10.16 | phogg | kill should really have been called signal |
| 20:10.34 | ni571891 | abrotman I do see a UG flag on the Gateway 10.0.0.1 line |
| 20:10.46 | tassit | frostschutz: cool I'm going to have to give a try. I have Arch on my Macbook Pro, once I can get all of the bugs worked out of the system, I was thinking of giving the Nvidia 650M a spin on Linux |
| 20:10.47 | rwp | abrotman, I think ni571891 has a route okay. |
| 20:10.54 | tassit | give that* |
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| 20:11.39 | rwp | eblip, Are you sure the process is really alive? Many people try to kill dead zombie processes. Which are already dead but still in the process table because their (bad) parent has not waited for them yet. |
| 20:12.20 | Devastator | how can I get the dhcp info of a interface? |
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| 20:13.05 | abrotman | Devastator: what sort of info ? |
| 20:13.07 | rwp | Devastator, I like "ip addr show eth0" and "ip route show" |
| 20:13.24 | rwp | Devastator, As those give all of the interesting information. |
| 20:13.30 | Devastator | abrotman the gateway dhcp set for the interface for example |
| 20:14.06 | rwp | Devastator, "ip route show" (aka "ip ro") Or "route -n". Or "netstat -nr". |
| 20:14.52 | ni571891 | rwp abrotman Do you have any other ideas what the problem might be? |
| 20:14.54 | Devastator | rwp the problem is I have two interfaces, so it's not the default gateway I'm trying to find out, but the gateway dhcp set for the other interface |
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| 20:15.55 | rwp | ni571891, Sorry but out of ideas. It still feels to me like a problem on the router you are connecting to. |
| 20:16.10 | rwp | Devastator, Are both interfaces using dhcp? Or just one? Or is one static? |
| 20:16.19 | Devastator | rwp both uses dhcp, yes |
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| 20:16.44 | rwp | Devastator, Then both by default will set up a gateway since that is the default behavior for dhcp. Last one set up wins. |
| 20:16.49 | abrotman | ni571891: you're still in the installer? |
| 20:17.14 | Devastator | rwp you mean a route, right? |
| 20:17.17 | ni571891 | rwp alrighty, I'll look into that. the installer gets to "configuring apt" and stops at 37% |
| 20:17.18 | phogg | eblip: rwp makes a good point. Try ps -o stat 25070; if it reports STAT as Z then the pid isn't really running. |
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| 20:17.35 | ni571891 | abrotman xD yup |
| 20:17.37 | miseria | "dicen, que el ser humano es un programa del universo; ¿sera que la muerte es solo un cambio de actividades?" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival* |
| 20:17.45 | rwp | Devastator, Yes, a route. Routes add to the routing table. Last one added has highest priority. |
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| 20:18.49 | abrotman | ni571891: wqhy not finish the installer and then see if you can debug it |
| 20:18.50 | Devastator | rwp what I'm trying to find out is something similar to what Windows ipconfig gives, which is ip address, netmask, broadcast and gateway, no matter how the routing table is set |
| 20:18.50 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:18.57 | eblip | hey thanks guys that quit command worked a treat |
| 20:19.04 | ni571891 | abrotman no matter which mirror I choose it gives me a bad mirror error |
| 20:19.07 | rwp | Devastator, Linux confuses things because older kernels list the order in top down order. Newer Linux lists the route table in bottom to top order. Reversed from each other. So the order depends upon kernel version. I hate that. |
| 20:19.49 | rwp | Devastator, "ip addr show ; ip route show" will give you exactly all of that information, along with other information too. |
| 20:19.53 | ni571891 | abrotman ill do that. i have to go, but I'll be back on later |
| 20:20.32 | abrotman | ni571891: so skip that part |
| 20:20.38 | ni571891 | rwp abrotman thank you both very much for the help! it will get figured out at some point |
| 20:20.50 | rwp | ni571891, Good luck! |
| 20:21.02 | Devastator | rwp can you tell me the gateway from eth0? http://codepad.org/RLTGvPoe |
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| 20:21.15 | rwp | looking |
| 20:21.33 | ni571891 | rwp thanks! I'll be logged in later as genex. |
| 20:21.50 | rwp | Devastator, It says "default via 10.0.3.2 dev eth1" and therefore 10.0.3.2 dev eth1 is your default route. |
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| 20:22.42 | Devastator | rwp yes, that's the gateway of eth1 AND my default route, what I want is eth0 gateway |
| 20:22.43 | rwp | Devastator, And you only have that one default route set. The other two lines are one for each of the local lan interfaces. |
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| 20:23.24 | rwp | Devastator, Shows no routing (default or otherwise) for eth1 other than the local subnet 10.0.3.0/24 there. |
| 20:23.42 | Devastator | I was told that there is a difference between routing and dhcp information |
| 20:23.54 | Devastator | what I want is the dhcp information eth0 received |
| 20:24.07 | rwp | Devastator, 10.0.3.15 is on eth1 so there is a 10.0.3.0/24 route for that interface. |
| 20:24.24 | Devastator | ok, what about eth0? |
| 20:24.35 | rwp | Devastator, That information has blown by in the wind. Your dhclient noted it and set up the above. |
| 20:24.48 | rwp | Devastator, Look in /var/log/syslog for DHCP lines for a log of the activity. |
| 20:25.15 | Devastator | there must be a way to get that info through a command |
| 20:25.29 | rwp | Devastator, Probably everything you need is in the /var/log/syslog but for more detail the 'dhcpdump' program can listen to an exchange and dump detailed information about the exchange. |
| 20:25.53 | rwp | Devastator, What is recorded by dhclient is logged to /var/log/syslog. If it isn't logged there then it isn't logged anywhere. |
| 20:26.25 | rwp | Devastator, But you can sniff with dhcpdump and record all of the details live, such as vendor tags and other additional flags, that are not normally logged. |
| 20:26.47 | abrotman | Devastator: what are you looking for? |
| 20:27.08 | Devastator | rwp yeah, but that is not optimal when you want to use that info on a script |
| 20:27.12 | rwp | Devastator, "grep dhclient /var/log/syslog" for just the dhcp information logged there. |
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| 20:27.33 | Devastator | abrotman a command that would give gateway that dhcp server set to a interface |
| 20:27.34 | rwp | Devastator, Script? Sounds like a classic XY problem happening here. |
| 20:28.03 | nashant | Hey everyone. Is it possible to set up grub so that if I hold, for instance, the ctrl key it will boot a certain option? |
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| 20:28.13 | Devastator | abrotman in my case I have two interfaces, so route -n only shows the gateway of the last one |
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| 20:28.32 | Devastator | rwp XY problem? |
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| 20:29.02 | rwp | Devastator, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem and http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=542341 |
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| 20:29.21 | rwp | Devastator, Read those and then come back and tell us what you are actually trying to do. :-) |
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| 20:30.03 | Devastator | rwp I need the gateway info for my script that will set two routing tables, for dual wan setup :) |
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| 20:31.11 | phogg | The internet is a wasteland of bad advice )-: |
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| 20:32.28 | rwp | Devastator, It sounds like you are wanting some type of network fallback? With the hope that it will automatically work across both networks? |
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| 20:32.54 | Devastator | rwp a failover actually |
| 20:33.23 | Devastator | if one link is down, it switches to the other |
| 20:34.00 | abrotman | Devastator: uhm, this already exists, you don't have to code this |
| 20:34.29 | rwp | Devastator, http://www.shorewall.net/MultiISP.html |
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| 20:34.42 | nashant | Anyone got an idea about my grub question? Can I hold a key to boot an option? |
| 20:34.46 | abrotman | Devastator: also, are they different ISPs? or the same? |
| 20:35.06 | phogg | also read about linux-ha, which has tools that help |
| 20:35.15 | Devastator | abrotman after extensive research and talk, not for my case: I have one link that is manually static and the other is pppoe dhcp |
| 20:35.26 | rwp | Devastator, And make no mistake. Multiple upstream ISP connections is a tricky problem filled with subtle issues that snag people. |
| 20:35.27 | Devastator | abrotman different ISPs |
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| 20:35.50 | abrotman | Devastator: I don't see how tha tmatters .. Look at the current HA stuff |
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| 20:36.07 | Devastator | abrotman HA is for ipv6 right? |
| 20:36.19 | rwp | HA is high-availability |
| 20:36.25 | Devastator | ah |
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| 20:36.51 | phogg | Devastator: even though ha tools are built with clustering in mind you can use them for simpler things |
| 20:37.08 | rwp | nashant, Control keys are simply modifier keys at that point. So no. You can only adjust the default boot option. |
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| 20:37.35 | rwp | nashant, If you need more then #grub would probably have it. |
| 20:37.50 | Devastator | abrotman, phogg, do you have any paper/article about this? |
| 20:38.06 | nashant | rwp: So it would be a case of sudo grub-reboot 2 then? |
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| 20:38.10 | phogg | Devastator: sorry, no. Probably there are some, ask Mr. Google. |
| 20:38.14 | nashant | and change grub defaults |
| 20:38.55 | abrotman | Devastator: tons of docs out there, this is a common thing people do |
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| 20:39.59 | phogg | Devastator: I've never been in your exact scenario, but I've implemented simple failover before. It's really not complicated. |
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| 20:40.11 | phogg | or rather, it's only as complicated as you want or need |
| 20:40.12 | n-st | is there any way to make rsync output only the files it copied and any errors that occured, so it won't print anything if nothing was copied? |
| 20:40.28 | rwp | nashant, yes, that should do it. |
| 20:40.33 | phogg | n-st: -q? |
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| 20:42.12 | Devastator | phogg it is not indeed, biggest problem is to verify if a link is up or not, that is why I'm going this approach |
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| 20:43.22 | rwp | Devastator, hint: for just link info look at "ethtool eth0" information. |
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| 20:44.09 | Devastator | rwp by link I mean connectivity |
| 20:44.10 | abrotman | Devastator: the programs do this for you, why are you trying to reinvent the wheel? |
| 20:44.16 | n-st | phogg: with -q, it doesn't print anything even when it has copied a file |
| 20:44.37 | rwp | Devastator, By link I mean link connectivity too. At the ethernet level. |
| 20:44.55 | rwp | Devastator, But you may want to ping through for end-to-end connectivity past the local link. But you did say "link". :-) |
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| 20:45.15 | n-st | i want to set up a cronjob to copy emails from a backup server and only want to be notified when something has been copied or if the has been an error |
| 20:45.28 | Devastator | abrotman because one said that as I have one manual static and the other is dhcp, there is not "ready to use" solution for this kind of failover |
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| 20:45.54 | Devastator | abrotman so I have a script that pings a HA address like 8.8.8.8 and switch ISPs if needed |
| 20:45.57 | abrotman | I don't see why not ... |
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| 20:46.58 | Devastator | but to make the script work as it should I need to create a route for each ISPs gateway, and to create that, I need to discover the gateway of each interface |
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| 20:47.30 | Devastator | then I came here and asked which command would give me the gateway information no matter my routing table |
| 20:47.44 | Devastator | I mean, the gateway of the other interface |
| 20:47.45 | rwp | Devastator, That is the misconception. Routes are not per interface. Routes exist above all interfaces. |
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| 20:48.17 | Devastator | that's why I'm not talking about routes, I'm talking about interface information |
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| 20:48.29 | rwp | A "host" is a system. A host has network interfaces. Network interfaces have IP addresses. A host has routing tables to route among them. |
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| 20:48.38 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys. I'm trying to phoneticize japanese phrases, for example こんにちは -> konnichiwa |
| 20:48.40 | Devastator | rwp and I'm sorry about the link thing, as you noted, english is not my native language hehe |
| 20:48.52 | vampi-the-frog | can iconv do this? what can? |
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| 20:49.20 | rwp | Devastator, I added a smiley to say that it was okay. But with text it is hard not to read what you say. :-) |
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| 20:49.54 | val_erie | I want to install debian wheezy or jessie in a Unysis - / Dell with Perc6 i - and during install it tells me it cannot find the disk and give me a bunch of drivers lists - and I do not know which one I should choose - I suppose that all perc6/i are the same |
| 20:49.59 | Devastator | rwp I understand that concept a few minutes ago, hence me asking the interface information aside from the routing table |
| 20:50.03 | speechless | how do i check current network usage? |
| 20:50.14 | rwp | Devastator, You might be able to hack /sbin/dhclient-script to log the route that it negotiated. |
| 20:50.24 | Devastator | rwp like: some command | grep Gateway |
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| 20:51.04 | rwp | Devastator, Normally that information is not logged. It isn't normally needed. But you aren't doing "normal" things. So you have to work through the problems. |
| 20:52.21 | rwp | Devastator, I would read through and play with /sbin/dhclient-script and see if you can create what you want. |
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| 20:53.46 | Devastator | I wonder why ip and ifconfig omit these kind of info |
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| 20:55.22 | rwp | Devastator, They omit the info because it isn't a property of the interface. Really you should ask why dhclient doesn't log it to /var/log/syslog. |
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| 20:56.55 | rwp | Think of it this way... You move houses. You file a change of address with the post office. Asking your mailbox at the old location for forwarding information doesn't work because forwarding information is on file at the post office and not the mailbox. |
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| 20:57.47 | Devastator | rwp I understand, but if a gateway is setup, it is not the same as being default gateway, do you agree? |
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| 20:59.10 | Devastator | you can omit default gateway, ok, that should be in ip route or route, but it should show what gateway was set manually or by dhcp server |
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| 21:01.30 | rwp | Devastator, You are differentiating between a default route set by different methods? There isn't any data field for that information to be stored. |
| 21:02.09 | Devastator | rwp I'm differentiating between routing and interface information |
| 21:02.28 | rwp | Devastator, Full cicle. Routing is NOT a property of an interface. |
| 21:02.33 | rwp | s/cicle/circle/ |
| 21:02.48 | Devastator | rwp gateway is |
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| 21:02.55 | Devastator | heh |
| 21:02.58 | rwp | No the gateway is not a property of an interface. |
| 21:02.59 | Devastator | nevermind |
| 21:03.04 | rwp | It is not. Wanting it to be does not make it be. |
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| 21:03.18 | rwp | Routing is a function of the layer above the interfaces. |
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| 21:04.19 | rwp | That is why there are separate commands for dumping interface data (ifconfig/ip) and routing (netstat -rn/route -n) |
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| 21:05.06 | rwp | er... Make that ifconfig / ip addr show and netstat -rn/ route -n/ip route show |
| 21:05.22 | Devastator | rwp so tell me this: I can setup a gateway for how many interfaces I have manually, if I set into the interface block, how is it not a interface property? |
| 21:06.12 | rwp | Devastator, You asking about /etc/network/interfaces? That information is read by ifupdown and then stuffed into different ip/ifconfig/route commands when it runs. |
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| 21:06.48 | rwp | Pull the source code and look and you will see that it is taking that information and producing the low level commands one at a time for each of the various things that it is setting. |
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| 21:07.44 | Devastator | rwp I have looked hehe, all I'm saying is: they show ip address of the interface, netmask, broadcast, but not the gateway? |
| 21:08.33 | rwp | That is right. Sorry but routing is not an interface property. |
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| 21:10.09 | rwp | Devastator, And BTW but in /etc/network/interfaces with static config would normally only have one gateway. With dhcp would normally not have any. |
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| 21:10.50 | Devastator | different isps, different gateways |
| 21:10.53 | rwp | Devastator, Have often seen people have multiple gateways listed. Because they think every section must have one. But normally only one would have it. The result is sometimes okay and sometimes not what they want. |
| 21:11.41 | rwp | Because the last route set has the highest priority. The table is consulted in priority order. First match wins. |
| 21:12.30 | Devastator | rwp I'm sorry to disagree with you, but I think the *information* shouldn't be omitted, but if we were speaking about routing I would agree with you |
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| 21:13.18 | rwp | Devastator, It is okay to disagree. But if you can find me a reference that describes it the way you want please send it to me. :-) |
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| 21:13.44 | rwp | Anway... dhclient dhcp's an interface address, route info, dns info, possibly other info. |
| 21:13.53 | rwp | It logs the transaction in /var/log/syslog. |
| 21:14.08 | rwp | It executes the ifconfig/route/ip commands to set up the interface. |
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| 21:14.29 | rwp | The action is then done. Trying to determine what it did later means looking in syslog. |
| 21:14.39 | rwp | Or you can modify /sbin/dhclient-script to do something different. |
| 21:15.08 | rwp | I think it is perfectly okay to modify /sbin/dhclient-script for your purposes. Program it to do what you want. That is why it is there. |
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| 21:22.38 | mekeor | where can i read the messages which are printed out on booting? (/var/log/boot does not exist.) |
| 21:23.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mekeor about bootlog |
| 21:23.58 | mekeor | oh, i see. i just have to install it. okay, fine. thanks :) (i thought it is not only enabled by default but also installed by default (since wheezy).) :) |
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| 21:25.01 | rwp | mekeor, It was part of the previous syslog in Lenny but was split into two for Squeeze. Think it was Squeeze. It definitely changed recently. |
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| 21:37.53 | aguitel | how upgrade wheezy to jessie |
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| 21:41.15 | babilen | aguitel: Maybe you shouldn't if you don't know or can't figure it out. It is a development release after all ... but see <wheezy->jessie> |
| 21:41.41 | Sylvester23 | aguitel: hi! You can edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:42.26 | aguitel | babilen, thanks |
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| 21:46.57 | eblip | which is best converter to dvd on debian |
| 21:47.10 | eblip | to convert any film format to dvd |
| 21:47.25 | eblip | that i can burn |
| 21:48.48 | arthurfiggis | eblip: i've been using devede, that's in the repositories and seems to work quite nicely :) |
| 21:49.39 | eblip | thanks arthurfiggis ill try it |
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| 21:51.02 | arthurfiggis | no problem :) it has all the options to take pretty much any video format that it can handle and make a properly-formatted iso for a dvd...then you click burn and that's about it! (unless you have more fussy things like subtitles) |
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| 21:52.45 | Sylvester23 | Hi! How install vi (no vim) in debian? |
| 21:52.52 | jhutchins | There is a collection of scripts with a GUI interface called tovid that works pretty nicely. |
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| 21:53.04 | jhutchins | Been a while since I used it. |
| 21:53.14 | jhutchins | Sylvester23: Should already be installed - vim-minimal. |
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| 21:55.09 | Sylvester23 | jhutchins: ya, vim.tiny ;) |
| 21:56.05 | jhutchins | Yeah, must be thinking of a different distro. |
| 21:56.24 | Sylvester23 | jhutchins: no pro |
| 21:56.32 | Sylvester23 | jhutchins: no problem ;) |
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| 22:30.32 | Ketamine_ | Hello |
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| 22:31.25 | extor | If I want to install the latest debian off a usb stick, then I need to get a debian iso CD and what else to boot the usb properly? |
| 22:32.11 | abrotman | dpkg: tell extor about usb install |
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| 22:34.17 | extor | and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images <--- I asked it, and it didn't know what I was talking about |
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| 22:35.50 | abrotman | I don't think you need that anymore .. just grab the netinst and read the short blurb in the installation guide about how to prepare the usb stick |
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| 22:36.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell extor about install debian |
| 22:36.14 | petn-randall | extor: Worked for me. Check if you mistyped it ... |
| 22:36.15 | extor | Can I start with anything larger than the netinst |
| 22:36.19 | abrotman | extor: you don't ask with the <>, you /msg dpkg foo .. not /msg dpkg <foo> |
| 22:36.40 | abrotman | extor: sure you can use CD1 or DVD1 if you prefer, but if you have broadband, the netinst is the clear way to go IMO |
| 22:37.09 | extor | my broadband is only 768kbps I'd rather download as much as I can over the next couple of hours and save it to usb |
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| 22:38.26 | abrotman | extor: but you'll be downlloading things you won't use .. |
| 22:38.59 | extor | I don't mind that. |
| 22:39.16 | abrotman | Didn't you just complain about the speed of your DSL ? |
| 22:39.58 | extor | Yes I did which is why I dont want to sit on the edge of my seat for 2 hours watching it download packages |
| 22:40.38 | Sylvester23 | How hide all headers in icedove? |
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| 22:41.19 | abrotman | extor: I would hope not two hours .. |
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| 22:42.03 | petn-randall | Hi Sylvester23, you can install the "CompactHeaders" extension that does that. |
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| 22:43.43 | extor | why does debian choose gnome over kde as the default manager |
| 22:44.01 | abrotman | extor: use whicever you like .. |
| 22:44.08 | abrotman | can't make everyone happy. a default was chosen |
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| 22:45.15 | extor | I'm only surprised because KDE seems to be the cadillac of managers and even seems to have more apps although gnome isn't far behind |
| 22:46.14 | trampel | if the goal is to not make everyone happy, then gnome was a good choice ;) |
| 22:46.19 | jordanm | extor: I would venture a guess that it goes way back to the days when qt wasn't completely free |
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| 22:46.54 | Tenkawa | Now my chromebook is working 100% as desired |
| 22:47.09 | Tenkawa | had a backup shared library getting loaded that I couldnt see until I straced it |
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| 22:47.41 | Sylvester23 | petn-randall: Hi men! Thx for suggestion ;) |
| 22:47.42 | extor | Oh is qt part of KDE in some way |
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| 22:48.02 | abrotman | extor: it's all opinion, I disagree with yours very much |
| 22:48.08 | FreezingCold | So I'm trying to use the Debian LiveCD to backup some stuff |
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| 22:48.20 | FreezingCold | it shows up as sr0, but no programs seem to see it? |
| 22:48.48 | FreezingCold | wait |
| 22:49.05 | jordanm | abrotman: it's ok for some opinions to be wrong :) |
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| 22:50.24 | Tenkawa | jordanm: indeed |
| 22:50.43 | abrotman | jordanm: I know, right? |
| 22:51.06 | abrotman | trampel: Personally, I'm quite happy with the default. To each their own. |
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| 22:51.34 | jordanm | isn't the default xfce now? I remember when jhess comitted that change to tasksel |
| 22:51.41 | jordanm | never heard if it got reversed or not |
| 22:51.45 | jordanm | atleast in testing/sid |
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| 22:51.55 | abrotman | jordanm: not yet, perhaps with Jessie it will be. |
| 22:51.58 | Tenkawa | time to work on opengl now... bbl |
| 22:52.01 | abrotman | Not sure that's 100% yet |
| 22:52.02 | jordanm | actually, i think his nick is joeyh |
| 22:52.10 | abrotman | yes, it is |
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| 22:52.46 | FreezingCold | I get multsession is not supported yet in xfburn |
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| 22:55.42 | gedO | Hello, how I could create tap interface for vpn? |
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| 22:56.38 | jordanm | gedO: I would let your vpn software do it for you |
| 22:57.00 | jordanm | something like this to do it manually: ip tuntap add dev tap0 mode tap |
| 22:57.01 | gedO | jordanm: openvpn don't does that |
| 22:57.08 | jordanm | gedO: the client does |
| 22:57.13 | gedO | jordanm: or my settings are incorrect |
| 22:57.47 | jordanm | gedO: I use "dev tun" in my client config and it create a tun device |
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| 22:59.32 | gedO | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/5wsDHij2 |
| 22:59.44 | gedO | this is my some configuration |
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| 23:02.05 | jordanm | gedO: so what's the problem? |
| 23:02.39 | jordanm | gedO: btw, proto tcp is not recommended |
| 23:02.46 | jordanm | and probably shouldn't even exist as an option |
| 23:02.53 | Tenkawa | nice to be back on a hard float setup again |
| 23:02.58 | gedO | jordanm: why TCP is not recomended? |
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| 23:03.21 | gedO | jordanm: if I write ip addr no tun device apears |
| 23:03.22 | jordanm | gedO: because then you end up tunneling tcp inside of tcp |
| 23:03.36 | jordanm | gedO: and when you are using an application which is udp, it will end up encapsulated in tcp |
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| 23:03.47 | programmingnoob | hello guys I would need help with guest additions in debian |
| 23:03.58 | programmingnoob | how I can install it without errors |
| 23:04.13 | abrotman | what are the errors? |
| 23:04.21 | jordanm | programmingnoob: apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions |
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| 23:04.56 | jordanm | actually, you probably want virtualbox-guest-dkms inside the guest |
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| 23:05.39 | gedO | jordanm: how I could check if tun device is added? |
| 23:05.47 | jordanm | gedO: ip addr |
| 23:06.01 | gedO | jordanm: thear is no tun device :( |
| 23:06.18 | jordanm | gedO: are there errors in the openvpn startup? |
| 23:06.26 | programmingnoob | yep think so I try it |
| 23:06.36 | mdim | hi all. Can someone help me with an upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? I have a dependency hell because I would use 'deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all' and now I can't move on with mysql |
| 23:06.36 | gedO | jordanm: I can't find any entry in syslog |
| 23:06.51 | jordanm | gedO: openvpn <yourconfig.conf> |
| 23:06.57 | jordanm | gedO: the messages should be on the console |
| 23:07.04 | gedO | jordanm: Okey, one sec |
| 23:07.24 | jordanm | mdim: I would remove all dotdeb packages before attempting to upgrade |
| 23:07.32 | babilen | mdim: We neither recommended nor supported dotdeb packages. I'd purge them all and then follow the wheezy release notes. The dotdeb people might be able to help with *their* packages. |
| 23:08.00 | mdim | jordanm: well, I've already attempted dist-upgrade. What should I do? Can I still somehow remove those dotdeb packages? |
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| 23:08.20 | jordanm | mdim: depends on your current state |
| 23:08.25 | jordanm | !tell mdim about bat |
| 23:08.29 | gedO | jordanm: command output http://pastebin.com/3Pq1U6Ve |
| 23:08.57 | jordanm | gedO: kill the existing openvpn process first |
| 23:09.15 | mdim | jordanm: ok, let me do all of that... |
| 23:09.24 | programmingnoob | thanks for help |
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| 23:11.59 | gedO | jordanm: I just restarted machine and killed all openvpn rpocesses and output is save |
| 23:12.06 | gedO | jordanm: same* |
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| 23:12.27 | gedO | jordanm: If I write ip addr no tun device is listed |
| 23:12.59 | jordanm | gedO: are you root? |
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| 23:13.09 | gedO | jordanm: yes |
| 23:13.33 | gedO | jordanm: strange situation |
| 23:13.48 | jordanm | gedO: try #openvpn, I have no idea why it's hanging there |
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| 23:14.04 | jordanm | gedO: the tun creation would happen after the step it's currently hung on |
| 23:14.10 | gedO | jordanm: thank you for help |
| 23:14.21 | jordanm | gedO: np |
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| 23:15.42 | Leoneof | debian jessie is missing mencoder package, how come? |
| 23:15.58 | abrotman | judd: versions mencoder |
| 23:16.00 | judd | Package: mencoder on i386 -- squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.2squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b2; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b2; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.1.1-dmo4.wheezy1; jessie-multimedia: 3:1.1.1+20131215+svn36545-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 3:1.1.1+20131215+svn36545-dmo2 |
| 23:16.19 | abrotman | Leoneof: removed for a transition perhaps |
| 23:16.44 | abrotman | Leoneof: have a feeling it may have been moved to a new package |
| 23:16.48 | mdim | here's the requested output for my issues with mysql: http://paste.debian.net/78372/ |
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| 23:17.22 | Leoneof | abrotman: ok, thanks :) |
| 23:18.04 | trampel | judd: versions xpdf |
| 23:18.05 | judd | Package: xpdf on i386 -- squeeze: 3.02-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.03-10; sid: 3.03-16 |
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| 23:18.52 | abrotman | Leoneof: so "apt-cache search mencoder" might help |
| 23:19.11 | jordanm | mdim: does apt-get install -f fix it? |
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| 23:19.35 | mdim | jordanm: no |
| 23:19.40 | rwp | I remember reading in debian-devel that mplayer had some library issues. And mencoder is tangled up in it. |
| 23:19.56 | rwp | Some discussion in December I think. |
| 23:19.58 | jordanm | mdim: pastebin the output of that and apt-cache polcy mysql-client-5.5 |
| 23:20.13 | jordanm | ,v mysql-client-5.5 |
| 23:20.14 | judd | Package: mysql-client-5.5 on i386 -- wheezy: 5.5.31+dfsg-0+wheezy1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.5.33+dfsg-0+wheezy1; jessie: 5.5.33+dfsg-1; wheezy-security: 5.5.35+dfsg-0+wheezy1; sid: 5.5.35+dfsg-1 |
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| 23:20.27 | squisher | what is {release}-multimedia? |
| 23:20.38 | abrotman | squisher: it isn't |
| 23:20.41 | abrotman | erm |
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| 23:20.52 | abrotman | squisher: misread, it's the DMM repos, unofficial and such |
| 23:20.57 | abrotman | dpkg: tell squisher about dmm |
| 23:21.24 | squisher | abrotman, ah, I know about dmm, I guess I didn't know judd knew ;-) |
| 23:21.27 | abrotman | squisher: a more bleeding edge for packages that move slowly in Debian or can't be packaged at all in Debian for legal reasons |
| 23:21.34 | mdim | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/78375/ |
| 23:21.41 | squisher | abrotman, thanks |
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| 23:22.06 | squisher | btw, I think it's nice that judd lists it alongside the regular repos; despite the clinches that dmm has had with debian over the years |
| 23:22.14 | jordanm | mdim: dpkg -r mysql-client-core-5.5, then try again |
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| 23:24.16 | mdim | jordanm: that worked. Thank you so much! |
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| 23:24.33 | [Neil] | hi |
| 23:24.48 | mdim | jordanm: should I continue the distro upgrade process with 'apt-get upgrade' or 'apt-get dist-upgrade'? |
| 23:25.06 | mdim | jordanm: when the issue happened, I was at 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 23:25.10 | jordanm | mdim: dist-upgrade should be fine |
| 23:25.38 | jordanm | mdim: the problem wasn't the dist-upgrade, it was that the dotdeb package conflicted with debian's but not declare the conflict |
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| 23:26.16 | mdim | jordanm: I understand. I wasn't saying the problem was in dist-upgrade |
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| 23:31.51 | bl4ckdu5t | How can I open multiple terminal windows in my terminal like this http://imgur.com/REQOKDe |
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| 23:33.11 | jordanm | bl4ckdu5t: that's probably tmux |
| 23:33.21 | babilen | running in awesome |
| 23:33.23 | jordanm | but I am just guessing |
| 23:33.47 | babilen | either way, the combination of those two is what you are looking for ;) |
| 23:34.06 | bl4ckdu5t | jordanm: I thought tmux worked like screen |
| 23:34.25 | bl4ckdu5t | That you can only have one window opened at a time |
| 23:35.27 | babilen | no, not at all |
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| 23:35.46 | extor | What's the difference between the debian CD and the debian update CD in the iso directory? |
| 23:35.47 | babilen | bl4ckdu5t: Have a look http://tmux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:36.03 | babilen | one is for upgrading the other for new installations |
| 23:36.19 | dvs | extor: update iso are the updates since 7.0.0 |
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| 23:36.58 | extor | Should I download the updated CD in order to avoid redownloading the most current .deb packages during install, dvs? |
| 23:37.12 | socomm | extor: I don't think the update cd has the latest updates |
| 23:37.32 | extor | what is the point of the updated CD then if it doesnt have the latest |
| 23:37.38 | socomm | extor: you can try caching the updates locally on your lan |
| 23:37.39 | dvs | extor: No, i'd get the latest version (eg 7.3.0) |
| 23:37.41 | extor | could it have laTER updates at least? |
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| 23:38.05 | extor | ok so for a fresh install which CD should I download and why? |
| 23:38.12 | dvs | extor: No, i'd get the latest version (eg 7.3.0) |
| 23:38.17 | babilen | extor: You simply want to download the current point release (7.3) |
| 23:38.18 | socomm | extor: I use net install |
| 23:38.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell extor -about install debian |
| 23:38.47 | babilen | extor: If you have a reasonably good internet connection I would recommend the netinstall image with firmware. |
| 23:40.25 | extor | I dont want to use netinstall |
| 23:40.35 | babilen | Why not? |
| 23:40.39 | socomm | extor: then don't |
| 23:40.42 | extor | speed reasons |
| 23:41.06 | cast | i suggest the netinst cd. |
| 23:41.06 | dvs | extor: A netinstall will only download what you want. an iso will download more. |
| 23:41.20 | extor | Ok which one of the two CD images should I get for a fresh install, the regular one or the one that has update in the filename and why? |
| 23:41.49 | socomm | dvs: its download once (iso) or downlaod many times (netinst->repo) |
| 23:42.02 | extor | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 23:42.08 | socomm | extor: you were PMed the install options |
| 23:42.16 | babilen | extor: Fair enough, then grab the image you deem most suitable for your package/DE selection. I would, in that case, recommend to download the firmware.tar.gz file and to keep that ready. If you plan to install from a USB stick unpack the firmware file to the second partition of the stick (create a filesyste (vfat for example) first) |
| 23:42.33 | extor | <dpkg> babilen wants you to know: There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. <--- Yeah I was PMed that twice |
| 23:42.36 | nathanae5 | evening @ all; just installing debian x86 on pentium II Pc, giving me different options of kernel to choose: "linux-immage-686pae" "linux-image-486" "linux-image-3.2.0.4-686-pae" "linux-image-3.2.0.4-486" what's that choice about? |
| 23:43.20 | socomm | nathanae5: does your mother board support more than 4 G of ram? |
| 23:43.21 | babilen | extor: What do you want to install/run eventually? Do you know if you want to use a desktop environment and if so which? (Gnome, KDE, XFCE, LXDE) |
| 23:43.59 | babilen | extor: You should ask the bot about the linked factoids or ask me to provide additional information/guidance if the provided information does not suffice. |
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| 23:44.39 | extor | I am going to go with gnome |
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| 23:45.05 | nathanae5 | socomm: that is actually a damn good question, this old machine I do not even know what kinda board it has, due to the fact it is only havin' 2 slots I would presume no, but honestly I can't say that I know |
| 23:45.31 | gedO | guis, how to check fernel fongis? where I can find them? |
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| 23:45.56 | nathanae5 | socomm: the settup suggests: "linux-immage-686pae" |
| 23:46.09 | babilen | extor: Okay, in that case you can either use the netinstall image and download the packages you need during the installation, CD1 or DVD1. The latter two do not come in a flavour that contains firmware already so I would recommend to keep firmware.tar.gz (from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/) ready |
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| 23:46.36 | babilen | extor: Do you plan to install from USB or CD/DVD ? |
| 23:46.57 | nabblet | hi, i'm using debian and when playing media, the loops for less than a second every mintue or so. cpu and mem are not even close to being stressed. tried different media formats, players and media sources. all show the same sympton. any ideas? |
| 23:47.17 | socomm | nathanae5: linux-image-686pae should work fine |
| 23:48.23 | nathanae5 | socomm: though I should be able to change that later anyway? |
| 23:48.45 | socomm | nathanae5: yes |
| 23:48.52 | nathanae5 | socomm: thanks |
| 23:48.58 | babilen | nathanae5: The linux-image-686-pae packages are metapackages that depend on the latest available kernel package ... this is particularly important when you upgrade as you will get the new kernel. If you select linux-image-3.2.0.4-686-pae you will only ever use that kernel. |
| 23:49.20 | babilen | nathanae5: I would recommend the metapackage (which will pull in the latter anyway right now) |
| 23:49.30 | babilen | judd: depends linux-image-686-pae |
| 23:49.31 | judd | Package linux-image-686-pae in wheezy/i386 -- depends: linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae. |
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| 23:50.03 | nathanae5 | @ all: INformation overflow :-() |
| 23:50.04 | babilen | nathanae5: That ^^^ dependency will change eventually (e.g. during the upgrade to the next stable release) |
| 23:50.08 | nathanae5 | ;-) |
| 23:50.21 | babilen | nathanae5: Install linux-image-686-pae and you are good. |
| 23:51.03 | babilen | extor: ping? |
| 23:51.21 | extor | babilen, USB sorry |
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| 23:51.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell extor -about usb install |
| 23:51.31 | nathanae5 | I think I basicly understood all you guys sayn' - briliant support! <3 |
| 23:52.00 | babilen | extor: Create a filesystem on the second partition on that stick once you've written it and unpack the firmware.tar.gz there. Then unmount it and reboot. |
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| 23:58.51 | extor | I doubt I'd need that |
| 23:59.12 | extor | I did grab a boot.tar.gz file which was 38Mb and expands to 1GB however |
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| 23:59.47 | dvs | extor: you don't have wireless networking? |