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| 00:00.05 | nathanae5 | how about changing desktop from gnome to xfce and the other way arround? |
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| 00:03.27 | extor | dvs, using wired |
| 00:04.31 | babilen | extor: What's your GPU? |
| 00:04.43 | babilen | (and ethernet card) |
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| 00:05.05 | cusco | hi folks ... |
| 00:05.07 | extor | supported natively in old ubuntu so I'll be fine |
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| 00:05.21 | cusco | I am using testing, so I can't complain... howeve i seek guidance.. heh... |
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| 00:05.45 | cusco | I just upgraded after a few months and gnome is slightly different and all... basically alt+tab does not work |
| 00:05.56 | babilen | extor: Ubuntu comes with firmware, but pray continue ... You'll be asked for firmware if it is needed. I simply wanted to make the installation as painless for your as possible. But then: What's your GPU? |
| 00:06.01 | cusco | nor does nm-applet starts up in tray, nor the sound icone... |
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| 00:06.48 | cusco | not having alt+tab is anoying :/ |
| 00:06.48 | babilen | cusco: You want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- but then you really should upgrade *much* more frequently than that if you track a development release. |
| 00:07.13 | cusco | yes I usually do.. I have left this laptop out of sight for the last few months ... |
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| 00:07.51 | babilen | extor: Do you have a radeon card? |
| 00:07.59 | babilen | ah, meh ... /me gives up |
| 00:08.07 | extor | no I dont think so but like I said ubuntu works with it |
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| 00:08.46 | babilen | extor: Ubuntu and Debian are different and, in particular, the Ubuntu kernel still contains the non-free firmware whereas the Debian one does not. |
| 00:08.53 | Roland- | hello i have an usb stick that i fail to see |
| 00:09.01 | Roland- | loaded mass storage module and sg |
| 00:09.05 | Roland- | but still not present |
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| 00:09.43 | cusco | Roland-: storage device? |
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| 00:09.48 | Roland- | yes |
| 00:09.55 | Roland- | some cheap stick |
| 00:10.11 | cusco | Roland-: dmesg should show your device being recognised and like sdb or sdc |
| 00:11.05 | Roland- | it should let me check |
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| 00:18.53 | Roland- | is there an eol on debian 6 ? |
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| 00:19.40 | abrotman | yes-ish |
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| 00:20.42 | abrotman | Roland-: Probably May 2014 or so |
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| 00:30.33 | Solex | im having a brain fart/google failure...whats the windows package to inject drivers/firmware into a deb install iso? |
| 00:31.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell Solex -about installer firmware |
| 00:31.31 | Solex | I have an intel nic that i need firmware for and thats the only method i know of to inject drivers. if anyone knows a better way im willing to try it |
| 00:31.54 | Solex | babilen- good deal, thanks |
| 00:31.58 | Solex | ill give it a go |
| 00:32.06 | babilen | Solex: You typically just download the firmware.tar.gz file from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ and unpack it to a USB stick |
| 00:32.39 | babilen | Unpack it to the second partition on the USB stick if you install *from* USB already and you are not using the firmware netinstall image alread |
| 00:32.47 | Solex | yeah i gave that a go but failed at it. not saying i did it right though so ill give it another go after reading the docs again |
| 00:32.49 | babilen | You have to create a filesystem for that to work first |
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| 00:34.20 | Solex | thank you sir/maam! |
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| 00:34.39 | Solex | ill give it a go and come crying back like a boob if i have any further issues |
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| 00:35.50 | babilen | boob? |
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| 00:38.44 | Solex | boob = fool...though i did mean to say noob, either works )lol) |
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| 00:39.04 | Solex | sigh...new keyboard and its a slightly idfferent layout than im used to so im having typing issues |
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| 00:46.53 | Circuitsoft | Hello - I'm having an issue with sane. No network computers can see scanners on my computer, though they do seem to try. |
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| 00:47.23 | Circuitsoft | I have the local net listed in /etc/sane.d/saned.conf, I have my own IP listed in /etc/sane.d/net.conf to test, and saned is enabled in /etc/inetd.conf. |
| 00:47.39 | Circuitsoft | I enabled saned /etc/defaults/sane, and inetd is running as well. |
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| 00:48.13 | waynr | Circuitsoft: got a firewall? |
| 00:48.19 | Circuitsoft | No. |
| 00:48.30 | Circuitsoft | iptables-save prints out nothing. |
| 00:48.31 | abrotman | what? |
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| 00:48.42 | Circuitsoft | Well, I'm behind two NAT routers. |
| 00:48.53 | Circuitsoft | But, they're not between me and the network that's trying to scan. |
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| 00:49.17 | Circuitsoft | I'm running wheezy. |
| 00:49.44 | Circuitsoft | I was getting segfaults until I uninstalled colord. |
| 00:50.06 | Che-Anarc | I'm trying to do a build on a fresh sys install - I have all most dependiecies - but when I try to do ./configure - I get: "config.status: error: cannot find input file: |
| 00:50.20 | Che-Anarc | 'Makefile.in' |
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| 00:50.38 | Che-Anarc | I've had this problem before - but I cant remember how I resolved it... any help? |
| 00:51.09 | Circuitsoft | Che-Anarc: You probably need to run ./autogen.sh first. |
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| 00:52.47 | thims | Does anyone know why Debian 7.3 breaks the Fn keys in the modmap when su authentication happens through "su -"? I have tried ensuring it is not environment variables and have had no success. Specifically, su login from a normal users terminal makes all Fn keys a ~. Thoughts? |
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| 00:53.19 | Solex | well i failed...either ive got the wrong packages or im just failing at setting them up. gonna try pulling the other image from the link you sent me |
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| 00:53.54 | thims | It appears to be something with dwm or the Xsession, because if I restart dwm and login again through xdm the Fn key functionality is restored. |
| 00:54.14 | zinx | thims: sounds like your TERM is getting overwritten |
| 00:54.35 | zinx | thims: oh, it happens to /all/ X applications? |
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| 00:55.01 | thims | Not all, I still have Fn functionality in specific applications, but I lose it in the WM. |
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| 00:55.30 | thims | I then believe the ~ is then urxvt interpretting the Fn keys and just making use of it in one manner. |
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| 00:56.29 | thims | zinx: I tried exporting my TERM and ensured it was not changing in the auth process. |
| 00:58.07 | thims | zinx: Also, xev detects the Fn keys just fine both as a normal user and after a su login. The su login simply breaks the WM's grabEvent focus. |
| 00:58.19 | zinx | thims: o_O |
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| 01:00.04 | thims | No ideas as to where the culprit might lie? :/ |
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| 01:05.11 | d__D | ok so I am setting ujp an encrypted LVM over two discs. The firrst disck is a small ssd 250gb drive and the second is a terabyte disc. My goal is to have / run from the ssd with /home running from the slower terabyte drive. The wheezy installer seems to keep putting the terabyte slower drive at the begging of the LVM where root is rather than the ssd. so my root runs from slow drive. Any way to fix this? |
| 01:05.18 | MasterAccurate | gn8 all and have a good WEEKEND-END! ;) |
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| 01:08.50 | sm0gg | tomorrow off :D |
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| 01:11.47 | Che-Anarc | Circuitsoft: thanks - its seems to be doing something - trying to do build on pi - takes a while :-) |
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| 01:12.18 | Circuitsoft | Che-Anarc: You may get better answers for such questions on #workingset |
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| 01:14.40 | frostschutz | d__D, I made two separate volume groups, one for SSD, one for HDD. you can always merge volume groups later. or you could make the installer run without a home partition and add that in the installed system, while home is still empty it should be easy |
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| 01:16.17 | frostschutz | d__D, for performance, home on ssd (at least the .configs and .caches) is quite important though. |
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| 01:20.21 | d__D | <frostschutz> but not as important as having /root on ssd correct? |
| 01:21.28 | d__D | also the other problem is I really need one volume group to encrypt so I don't ahve to type my password a bunch of times on boot |
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| 01:22.16 | frostschutz | d__D, equally important, if it's about ssd performance. 250G is more than enough for both root and home, I do the same with 64GB SSD and it's still half empty. as for encryption, is it a modern system with aes-ni? otherwise the ssd will not be very useful anyhow |
| 01:22.51 | frostschutz | d__D, as long as there is free space in the volume group you can always pvmove after the install |
| 01:22.53 | d__D | its a modern system yes |
| 01:23.34 | frostschutz | d__D, but it would not change anything in regards to encryption in this case. you can't encrypt a volume group; you can only encrypt PV individually or LV individually. with two PV and two LV, nothing changes |
| 01:24.04 | d__D | pvmove will allow me to move the physical disc to the front of the logical volume group? |
| 01:24.29 | frostschutz | d__D, pvmove will allow you to move a LV from the HDD to the SSD and/or vice versa - provided sufficient free space available |
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| 01:36.17 | d__D | <frostschutz> is there a good gui tool for LVM? |
| 01:39.50 | Tramp | d__D: to my knowledge, there is only one GUI tool for LVM, which is system-config-lvm |
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| 01:57.40 | Guest97446 | hi there can sb tell me what cron services are on debian... i know crontab and ive recently edited a file which scheduled some tasks but when i run crontab -e it doesnt show my crons anymore :/ |
| 01:58.41 | Guest97446 | either ive used a different cron services .. or could it be that switching the shell has something to do with it? |
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| 02:15.44 | townai | how.to.map.another.key.for.spacebar?i.find.many.keymap.files.in.the.system..which.one.to.use? |
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| 02:18.37 | thims | townai: KP_Space? |
| 02:19.56 | Guest97446 | hi there can sb tell me what cron services are on debian... i know crontab and ive recently edited a file which scheduled some tasks but when i run crontab -e it doesnt show my crons anymore :/ |
| 02:20.00 | Tramp | Guest97446: there is a system crontab (/etc/crontab) and user crontabs. crontab -e acts on user-crontabs |
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| 02:20.35 | townai | thims:in.which.file? |
| 02:20.40 | Guest97446 | Tramp: yea i did |
| 02:20.46 | Tramp | or, in other words, crontab -e won't show you the /etc/crontab |
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| 02:20.52 | Tramp | did what? |
| 02:21.06 | Guest97446 | Tramp: mhh ok |
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| 02:21.41 | Guest97446 | Tramp: i ,3 u |
| 02:21.53 | thims | townai: ~/.xmodmaprc? What is your exact issue, the spacebar just simply does not provide a ' ' character? |
| 02:22.00 | Guest97446 | <3 |
| 02:22.09 | Tramp | Guest97446: yw |
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| 02:22.45 | townai | thims:yes,.that's.my.problem. |
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| 02:23.39 | somiaj | townai: if you run the program xev and press space in the window that is opened it should tell you info about the key that is being pressed |
| 02:24.35 | eblip | hi i am using devede to create a dvd from an mp4....problem is it says ...insufficient free space to create this disk |
| 02:24.53 | eblip | i am trying to create the image in a filespace on my home directory |
| 02:25.12 | eblip | but for some reason it seems to be looking for disk usage as a 4.7 gb dvd |
| 02:25.14 | pfdotn | eblip: You might need more space. |
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| 02:25.24 | eblip | i have a ton of space on the drive |
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| 02:25.43 | eblip | the dvd i put in first was full |
| 02:25.46 | townai | somiaj: just.tried.that..no.response.for.spacebar.its.a.hardware.problem..it.does.not.work.under.all.software.i.have.tried. |
| 02:26.00 | eblip | but i believe you dont need a dvd to use devede to create an image |
| 02:26.02 | pfdotn | eblip: Are you authoring a DVD for playback on a regular DVD player? |
| 02:26.07 | eblip | yes |
| 02:26.26 | eblip | im converting an mp4 for playback on a normal dvd |
| 02:26.28 | pfdotn | eblip: Could it be then, that the mp4, when converted at the current bitrate etc., is merely too big? |
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| 02:26.39 | pfdotn | eblip: And that you need to further compress the video source? |
| 02:26.42 | eblip | wow ....youa re good |
| 02:26.50 | pfdotn | eblip: Thanks, I try. |
| 02:26.55 | eblip | i think that may be why |
| 02:27.13 | pfdotn | eblip: So... do it. |
| 02:27.27 | eblip | but the mp4 file is 843 Mb |
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| 02:27.42 | pfdotn | eblip: You're reencoding from mp4 to mp2. |
| 02:27.47 | pfdotn | Sorry, specifically, MPEG-2. |
| 02:27.50 | eblip | do you really think that could ...once converted to dvd format be greater than 4.7 gig |
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| 02:27.59 | pfdotn | eblip: Yes. |
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| 02:28.10 | eblip | right ...then that is the problem |
| 02:28.15 | arthurfiggis | eblip: it certainly could, mp4 format files...depending on what they're encoded with, can be _much_ smaller than the uncompressed output :) |
| 02:28.38 | eblip | are there any compression tool i can use before i convert it to dvd format |
| 02:28.56 | eblip | without losing quality of image |
| 02:28.59 | pfdotn | ahahaha |
| 02:29.02 | pfdotn | ...sorry. |
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| 02:29.20 | pfdotn | You'll experience a loss, as a result of the transcode process. How significant that is depends on numerous factors. |
| 02:29.25 | arthurfiggis | eblip: the best thing to do would be to click the "adjust disk usage" button and that will set everything up to fit on a 4.7GB DVD perfectly...but no, you would be losing quality somewhere |
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| 02:30.17 | townai | thims: ~/.xmodmaprc.cannot.be.found. |
| 02:31.10 | eblip | i i have clicked adjust disk usage and it now says 99 percent of a 4.7gb dvd...but still will not create the image |
| 02:31.14 | flos | townai, http://pastebin.com/eVCYaLpV for your ref. |
| 02:31.26 | townai | thks. |
| 02:31.59 | eblip | it says 8499 mbytes are needed but only 3686MB ARE AVAILABLE |
| 02:32.33 | eblip | so it seems even after pressing adjust disk size .....although the result says 99 percent of disk will be used |
| 02:32.46 | eblip | it seems maybe it should say....image is too big for disk |
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| 02:33.42 | eblip | do you know what i can do with the original mp4 file before i run devede so that i will get it on a disk |
| 02:34.17 | eblip | because adjust disk usage doesnt seem to cover it |
| 02:34.21 | arthurfiggis | eblip: not sure, i've never seen that particular problem before...adjust disk usage has always "downmixed" the files for me |
| 02:34.34 | eblip | ah ok |
| 02:35.06 | eblip | well i learned a bit about the tool anyway....i suppose ill have to log out and into a windows drive and use convertxtodvd...... |
| 02:35.13 | eblip | windows still has some uses i suppose |
| 02:36.36 | arthurfiggis | eblip: i guess the only other thing you could do would be change the configuration option for your temporary files folder, set it to one in your home directory somewhere instead of /tmp to see if that's the problem? |
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| 02:38.56 | eblip | ok ill try that arthurfiggis thanks |
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| 02:47.12 | townai | trying.to.use.xmodmap..cannot.find.X11/keysymdef.h..which.dir.is.it.in? |
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| 02:50.50 | Zer000 | is there an official debian or maybe a respin that uses systemd out of the box? |
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| 02:51.50 | Tramp | !systemd |
| 02:51.53 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy". http://wiki.debian.org/systemd http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #debian-systemd (irc.oftc.net) and #systemd (irc.freenode.net). |
| 02:52.02 | eblip | i have found a way that seems to get it to convert to fit on the disk |
| 02:52.17 | somiaj | Zer000: You can install another init system once you isntall. My suggestion would be install a minimial base system. Then isntall systemd and go from there |
| 02:52.19 | eblip | i first change the disk size to be 1.4gb dvd |
| 02:52.30 | eblip | then i alter size on disk to 99 percent |
| 02:52.36 | somiaj | Zer000: but no you won't find a debian installer that uses systemd as the default as far as I know. |
| 02:52.45 | eblip | then i click on 4.7gb dvd and it only takes up 27 percent |
| 02:52.53 | eblip | and the conversion can be done from there |
| 02:53.13 | Zer000 | somiaj: maybe not a valid question but is that difficult to do? I don't want to spend too much time configuring my os, i just want to use it |
| 02:53.37 | eblip | if i click alter disk size again to be 99 percent the image will come up with the error ...too big for the disk |
| 02:53.43 | somiaj | Zer000: I personally dno't want anything to do with systemd, so I don't know. My guess is with a minimal system it wouldn't take much as 'apt-get isntall systemd' |
| 02:53.46 | eblip | adn will not convert |
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| 02:54.29 | Zer000 | i'll try it |
| 02:54.32 | somiaj | Zer000: you could probabaly change it on a full install just fine too. Most packages come with both sysinit and systemd info. I just think installing it at the minimial system stage would be preferable |
| 02:55.03 | abrotman | Zer000: perhaps Debian isn't for you then |
| 02:55.15 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 02:55.35 | ShapeShifter499 | what would I use to get a Arch package installing in Debian wheezy? |
| 02:55.49 | abrotman | You wouldn't, and why would you want to? |
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| 02:56.32 | somiaj | ShapeShifter499: you would grab the upstream source and compile it. What software do you want in debian? |
| 02:56.35 | ShapeShifter499 | There is a updated kernel for my arm based pogoplug computer (it's like a raspberry pi) only for arch |
| 02:57.03 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm having a hard time compiling it myself, I can't get wifi or some status leds to work |
| 02:57.29 | ShapeShifter499 | I figure the already compiled version would "just work" |
| 02:58.12 | somiaj | ShapeShifter499: you are welcome to experiment and just put the required files on your system and see if grub sees it and boot. No guarntees though |
| 02:59.02 | ShapeShifter499 | somiaj, no grub here, uboot does the booting |
| 02:59.24 | ShapeShifter499 | as long as there is a uImage and a zImage file uboot is set to boot those files |
| 02:59.37 | somiaj | you will need /lib/modules/version too |
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| 02:59.48 | somiaj | not sure what else, and again not guarntees, but it is your system feel free to experiement. (: |
| 03:00.10 | somiaj | personally I would figure out how to compile it the debian way into a .deb |
| 03:00.44 | flos | townai, try xev to get the keycode |
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| 03:01.51 | townai | flos:what's.the.keysym.for.the.spacebar? |
| 03:02.35 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: maybe just use Arch ? |
| 03:02.50 | flos | townai, the result from my laptop is: "state 0x0, keycode 65 (keysym 0x20, space), same_screen YES" |
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| 03:04.52 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, I never used it before, know how different it is from debian? |
| 03:05.21 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, I have a version of debian installed on all of my systems |
| 03:05.56 | townai | i.am.using.xmodmap.to.map.the.ALT_L.to.spacebar..Command>xmodmap -e "keysym Alt_L=space" |
| 03:05.57 | townai | xmodmap: commandline:1: bad keysym target key symbol 'Alt_L=space' |
| 03:05.59 | townai | What's.wrong? |
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| 03:07.59 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, I'll see how this goes, if all else fails I'll try Arch |
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| 03:12.42 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, I just came across "Alien", wouldn't that work for this situation? |
| 03:12.52 | ShapeShifter499 | https://wiki.debian.org/Alien |
| 03:13.09 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: we have no idea, we don't know how arch packages stuff |
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| 03:15.52 | townai | flos: Got it. There should be a ' ' separating the '=' before and after it. |
| 03:16.13 | flos | townai, :) good. |
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| 03:17.15 | townai | Now, how to make it works everytime i login? |
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| 03:18.27 | flos | townai, .bashrc? |
| 03:18.36 | sisterFister | In an install file would adding the line mylolscript.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1 work? |
| 03:19.15 | somiaj | I would put custom stuff that isn't installed from a .deb in /usr/local/share |
| 03:19.33 | somiaj | leave /usr/ for dpkg/apt and /usr/local for custom stuff. |
| 03:19.48 | sisterFister | okay. |
| 03:19.59 | townai | that wud only be for bash. I want to work for all apps. |
| 03:20.06 | somiaj | otherwise than that, all the standard places will be in the paths so stuff will work like expected |
| 03:21.36 | flos | townai, what do you mean by 'for all apps'? since it's loaded after login, subsequent apps should follow the setting, right? |
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| 03:25.16 | townai | flo:right. got to go. thks for yr help. |
| 03:25.50 | townai | flos:right. got to go. thks for yr help. |
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| 03:26.09 | flos | townai, np. |
| 03:26.20 | Tramp | now jusst the vocals and the n seems broken |
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| 03:35.07 | Sauron | Hi there. I am having trouble getting a debian box to see more than 2G RAM. I am using this kernel: 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:04:25 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:35.23 | Sauron | Bios shows correct amount (8G) at post. |
| 03:35.32 | Sauron | Any suggestions? |
| 03:36.11 | Sauron | lshw is also showing both sticks present. |
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| 03:37.23 | cast | use a pae kernel? |
| 03:37.40 | arthurfiggis | or a 64 bit one if that applies in your situation :) |
| 03:37.47 | Sauron | i686 isn't sufficient? |
| 03:38.08 | flos | Sauron, yes. |
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| 03:38.33 | arthurfiggis | Sauron: i -think- that would be limited to 4gb maximum addressable memory, but i'm not sure if that's correct |
| 03:38.50 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, somiaj I asked over on the Arch thread for help and someone there said there is a "config" for the kernel inside the package I could use. So if it doesn't compile correctly this time then I'm doing something wrong. |
| 03:39.07 | Sauron | odd...I'd think it would still report 4G. :) |
| 03:39.56 | Sauron | I'm a recent transplant from RHEL. apt-get install which kernel? |
| 03:40.34 | cast | well, depends, does your CPU support amd64? if so i'd move to that port |
| 03:40.50 | cast | failing that, search for linux-image*pae*, |
| 03:41.47 | Sauron | I hope so...it's an i7-930. :) |
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| 03:42.26 | centrx | Sauron, Personally, I would install the latest distribution and install it with all 64-bit software. |
| 03:42.29 | cast | ahh. i'd really recommend AMD64 unless there's some reason not to[?] |
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| 03:42.47 | cast | normally that reason is some proprietary 32bit piece of junk |
| 03:43.24 | arthurfiggis | Sauron: yeah, you'd be best off installing an AMD64-based image of debian then, that's what i run on a similar system...wheezy with the backported 3.12 kernel :) |
| 03:43.41 | arthurfiggis | (but more importantly installing that should give you all 8GB) |
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| 03:44.05 | cast | arthurfiggis: question...does chromium in wheezy w/ 3.12 kernel use seccomp-filter? |
| 03:44.24 | Sauron | ok...was hoping to not do major surgery. I snagged this install image earlier. |
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| 03:45.05 | arthurfiggis | cast: i'm...not sure to be honest, i use firefox :) sorry, is there a way that i could check somehow |
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| 03:45.17 | cast | nah, don't worry about :), not overly important |
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| 03:45.36 | cast | its quite a neat generic security mechanism programs can use in linux |
| 03:46.15 | arthurfiggis | cast: oh, no problem, chromium is only an install away so i can always give it a try one of these days :) i'll have to look up more on seccomp-filter though, that does sound interesting...any extra "layers" are worth looking into |
| 03:46.46 | Okee | I have a couple of problems with my download utility. I am not able to select the checkbox, that indicates "Do this automatically for files like this from now on.". I would like the file to open up in xpdf or something like that, but it isn't happening: http://imagebin.org/288773 |
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| 03:49.39 | centrx | You have a lot of unread e-mails, better get on that |
| 03:50.29 | centrx | Okee, https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/971694 |
| 03:51.05 | cast | i'm not 100% sure if its in chromium yet, i believe chrome uses it. its of little interest unless you program, then its quite interesting [your program can define a whitelist of syscalls and there-after be limited to them..so for example suppose there was a vmsplice local root...] |
| 03:51.34 | sisterFi1ter | lol |
| 03:51.51 | Okee | centrx> Are you sure this is a Mozilla issue? Am I correct that the download utility I displayed in the last message, is a package not supplied by Mozilla? |
| 03:52.27 | Okee | What is a good editor of PDF files for LInux? I would like to avoid the need to download, printout, and scan. i would like to type right into the image, and then upload it. |
| 03:53.04 | centrx | Okee, It is possible it is related to the plugin, but that is a Firefox dialog box and checkbox |
| 03:53.40 | Okee | centrx> Ok, I will pester Mozilla. I think I just found a pdf editor for Linux, but not sure how good it is: http://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor.php |
| 03:53.49 | Sauron | ok...not worth the aggravation. Going to just pave over it with 64-bit install. |
| 03:53.52 | Sauron | :) |
| 03:54.44 | centrx | Okee, LibreOffice should work as well, might need the PDF Import extension |
| 03:55.05 | centrx | Okee, That is in the Debian repository too... |
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| 03:57.09 | Okee | Centrx> Does LibreOffice allow you to edit pdf files? |
| 03:57.19 | Okee | I thought LibreOffice was only a reader? |
| 03:58.37 | eblip | the devede thing works great |
| 03:58.47 | eblip | it takes a while but still works decently |
| 03:58.50 | eblip | thanks for that guys |
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| 04:00.30 | phone | i'm getting a usb error very similar to this in dmesg: http://debian.2.n7.nabble.com/Bug-726877-linux-image-3-11-1-amd64-kernel-oops-caused-by-smsusb-td3083499.html |
| 04:01.19 | phone | tl;dr INFO: task khubd:331 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 04:01.25 | phone | leading to the USB device not being recognized or added by the system |
| 04:01.33 | phone | i'm wondering if anyone else in here has run into this and found a fix? |
| 04:02.37 | abrotman | phone: did you check the bts? |
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| 04:03.00 | Devastator | what's debian official shell? bash? sh? |
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| 04:03.35 | phone | abrotman: i don't know what that is, and i don't think google is right in suggesting "bureau of transportation statistics" |
| 04:04.13 | Devastator | phone bts stands for bugtrack system |
| 04:04.32 | abrotman | !bts |
| 04:04.37 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 04:04.50 | phone | searching 'khubd' gives me zero results :/ |
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| 04:05.47 | phone | nevermind i did a site search |
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| 04:06.36 | arthurfiggis | eblip: i find that it's great, i used to use dvdstyler in ubuntu but devede is just as reliable and (usually) just as quick :) there is an option for it to use multi-processor optimizations you can turn on if you have more than one cpu, that speeds things up considerably |
| 04:06.43 | Devastator | let me rephrase: what shell is used when a script is called by a daemon or something? |
| 04:06.52 | phone | and i'm getting a '500' error using this page: http://bugs-search.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi |
| 04:06.54 | phone | today is not my day. |
| 04:07.05 | phone | Devastator: depends on what you have your script use |
| 04:07.07 | abrotman | phone: bugs.debian.org/khubd presuming that's the package |
| 04:07.12 | phone | #!/bin/bash, or #!/bin/sh |
| 04:07.26 | Devastator | phone hum, thanks! |
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| 04:07.56 | acu | I want to use btrfs in production - it seem that kernel 3.12 is OK - however I have two choices - to use backport on wheezy and install the new kernel and btrfs tools - or install jessie - any sugestions ? Strangely enough I did not use backports at all - with the few exception few thousand years ago |
| 04:08.11 | flos | phone, try using the 'reportbug' to report bug. |
| 04:08.19 | abrotman | acu: you sohuld probably read a bit more about btrfs .. |
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| 04:09.02 | Deesl | I am trying to authenticate windows username on my Debian box. I can get a list of users using wbinfo -u but getent passwd just gets the Unix users. I have already changed nsswitch.com to look like "passwd: compat winbind" . What am I missing? |
| 04:09.12 | phone | acu: at the risk of starting a FS war, i'd suggest checking out ZFS. obviously this depends on your use case. |
| 04:09.15 | acu | abrotman: I read almost anything out there, are there any hints or experince |
| 04:09.44 | acu | phone: thanks for suggestion - this is open forum - I am pretty set on btrfs and cephfs |
| 04:09.56 | phone | any particular reason you chose that? |
| 04:10.13 | abrotman | Deesl: did you install the winbind package? |
| 04:10.28 | Deesl | abrotman: yes. It was pulled in along with samba |
| 04:10.43 | acu | yeah - cephfs is built on top of btrfs - btrfs in itself has unbeleivable features - self healing scalability timesnapshots - ton |
| 04:10.58 | acu | !btrfs |
| 04:11.00 | dpkg | Btrfs (B-tree file system) is a copy on write filesystem for Linux, aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Merged in mainline at Linux 2.6.29, utilities are packaged in btrfs-tools. http://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/ #btrfs on irc.freenode.net. See also <btrfs gotchas>. |
| 04:11.06 | phone | i wonder, |
| 04:11.08 | phone | !zfs |
| 04:11.08 | dpkg | ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (http://deb.li/7xXU). The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils in squeeze. A <FUSE> implementation for Debian GNU/Linux systems is in zfs-fuse. For ZFS on Squeeze, see http://deb.li/i4JhI . http://zfs-fuse.net/ #zfs-fuse on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:11.10 | abrotman | acu: msg the bot |
| 04:11.10 | acu | of course is copy on right |
| 04:11.10 | phone | neat |
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| 04:12.40 | acu | phone: I know that there would be two choices - ZFS or BTRFS - of course I did not mention that all heavy weights have invested significantly in btrfs and it is "ready for production" for oracle, will be for rhel7 - it is already in suse - and all other big players are backing it |
| 04:12.46 | Deesl | abrotman: any ideas? |
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| 04:13.12 | abrotman | acu: then use it, just make sure you have backups |
| 04:13.24 | abrotman | Deesl: not off the top of my head |
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| 04:13.46 | Deesl | abrotman: so look at the bottom? :P |
| 04:14.09 | arthurfiggis | formats everything ext4 or ntfs if it has to be shared with a Windows PC...not very trendy :( |
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| 04:15.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | What deb caching proxy would you recommend? |
| 04:16.05 | abrotman | Deesl: I haven't used samba in quite some time |
| 04:16.28 | Deesl | abrotman: that was a joke :) but thank you so much for trying to help |
| 04:16.44 | abrotman | Deesl: you may need to alter the groups as well |
| 04:16.54 | acu | abrotman: so it seem that you had some problems with it - would you care to share ? I know there were serious bugs in earlier kernel versions - but it is "promised' that 3.12 is production ready - and that is why I came here - again, if you have any bad experience I would love to hear it. I know because you have metadata, it takes part of the hard disk space, and that can grow, also it df does not show the right used size, there are |
| 04:16.56 | acu | some btrfs specific tools for that, but that is from "reading", and my only emotional decision is whether I should use backport or jessie |
| 04:16.56 | Deesl | abrotman: thats already done. |
| 04:16.56 | abrotman | Deesl: and 'id -a foouser' might be useful |
| 04:17.00 | somiaj | Eduard_Munteanu: have ya tried apt-cacher or apt-cacher-ng, sure both those would work. |
| 04:17.05 | Deesl | whats the -a for? |
| 04:17.11 | abrotman | acu: I'm telling you I've hread that it's not prod ready |
| 04:17.19 | abrotman | acu: it's not my data, do what you want |
| 04:17.35 | Deesl | never mind |
| 04:17.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | somiaj: alright... I was looking at squid-deb-proxy, I was wondering if there's an "official" blessed proxy. |
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| 04:18.18 | somiaj | Eduard_Munteanu: I'm sure there are various ones out there. I'd say any in the debian repo is supported. (: |
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| 04:19.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, that seems to be an Ubuntu thing, can't find it in Debian. |
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| 04:19.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | Er, it is in Wheezy. |
| 04:20.35 | arthurfiggis | Eduard_Munteanu: there are "lighter" programs that do the same thing as well, from what i can see :) aptitude show apt-cacher |
| 04:21.13 | abrotman | likes approx |
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| 04:50.23 | genex | zz |
| 04:50.33 | genex | its been quiet for exactly 30 min |
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| 05:08.17 | debuser3894 | hey guys i just bought a new core i5 4670k and it has some annoyingly new ethernet card i217-v rev 05 that debian installer has no clue what is |
| 05:08.23 | debuser3894 | any ideas on how to install drivers for this thing |
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| 05:09.31 | abrotman | which installer? |
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| 05:10.39 | genex | debuser3894: lol, processer has nothing to do ethernet card |
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| 05:11.37 | stew | debuser3894: do you know the pciid for that card? |
| 05:12.03 | genex | 'lspci' should do the trick |
| 05:12.08 | stew | debuser3894: pciid is in the form vendorid:deviceid, like 1234:abcd |
| 05:12.20 | stew | i think you need at least a -n |
| 05:13.03 | genex | stew: why a -n for lspci? |
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| 05:13.29 | stew | genex: to get the pciid |
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| 05:14.31 | genex | stew: ah, i see |
| 05:15.19 | stew | -kn is the fancy one that even lists modules for you when they are known |
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| 05:16.02 | stew | -knn is more descriptive |
| 05:16.09 | Posix_h-WhereFro | herllo |
| 05:17.55 | Posix_h-WhereFro | I need Posix.h for some old code from 2007 |
| 05:18.00 | Posix_h-WhereFro | where can I find this? |
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| 05:25.47 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Posix_h-WhereFro about apt-file |
| 05:28.12 | debuser3894 | hey |
| 05:28.14 | debuser3894 | the pciid is |
| 05:28.37 | debuser3894 | 00:19.0 0200: 8086:153b |
| 05:28.43 | debuser3894 | if that helps |
| 05:28.48 | debuser3894 | and yeah i meant the motherboard is new apparently |
| 05:28.52 | stew | judd: pciid 8086:153b |
| 05:28.55 | judd | [8086:153b] is 'Ethernet Connection I217-V' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:153b |
| 05:29.21 | stew | thats a ide/sata chip, not a network card |
| 05:29.32 | stew | oh wait |
| 05:29.42 | stew | "ethernet connection" "ata_generic" wtf? |
| 05:29.47 | debuser3894 | heh |
| 05:29.54 | stew | and snd? |
| 05:30.27 | debuser3894 | i plugged it into debian/hcl and got pciid: 8086153b vendor: Intel Corporation device: Ethernet Connection I217-V |
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| 05:30.35 | debuser3894 | no driver all else blank |
| 05:30.58 | debuser3894 | no idea why its called "ethernet connection" no idea why they couldn't just stick with the e1000e or something NORMAL |
| 05:31.12 | debuser3894 | now i can't even begin to rebuild my vms since i can't even get my host up |
| 05:31.26 | zh1_ | evening sirs, accidently made apt-get purge ufw* and it deleted almost all my debian, is there a way i can undo the commands? |
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| 05:31.43 | stew | judd: pciid 8086:153b --release unstable |
| 05:31.43 | judd | [8086:153b] is 'Ethernet Connection I217-V' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'e1000e', 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:153b |
| 05:31.52 | stew | so newer kernels have a e1000e driver for it |
| 05:32.14 | debuser3894 | but i've seen e1000e in the driverlist in the 7.2 install dvd |
| 05:32.20 | debuser3894 | i selected it but it didn't accept it |
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| 05:32.30 | stew | yes, but it doesn't claim to support this chip |
| 05:32.46 | stew | that driver doesn't start claiming support for that chip until a later version |
| 05:32.56 | debuser3894 | so i need a newer kernel version |
| 05:32.58 | debuser3894 | ? |
| 05:33.10 | stew | yes |
| 05:33.13 | debuser3894 | meh |
| 05:33.43 | stew | no idea if kmuto is still maintaining installers. i'm so out of it these days |
| 05:34.17 | Zer000 | I need some advice - I'm developing a website. I have this dev environment for it set up on my main computer but it's not very portable - it needs postgres to run at least and node and ruby in development (for coffeescript and sass). I'm also using the latest version of python (3.3). I want to make it easier to deploy this thing on another machine as well as make it easier to set up a dev environment. What can I do? |
| 05:34.20 | stew | kernels |
| 05:34.26 | stew | judd: kernels |
| 05:34.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.8-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.6-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 05:34.52 | stew | so that wheezy backport kernel would work |
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| 05:35.59 | Okee | Does someone know if there is a plugin that will allow me to sign my name in a pdf document? |
| 05:36.17 | cast | what does 'sign my name' mean? |
| 05:38.06 | genex | Okee: like preset text? |
| 05:38.13 | debuser3894 | so how does one get a new kernel in debian |
| 05:38.33 | genex | look on the fourms. its there |
| 05:38.57 | Okee | I am trying to sign my name on a pdf document, by merely drawing. Drawing is the easiest way to do this. Adobe as a digital signature, but that is too sophisticated for the IRS. |
| 05:39.07 | debuser3894 | but i've no internet connection |
| 05:39.16 | debuser3894 | upgrading the kernel via apt-get isn't possible for me |
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| 05:39.46 | cast | debuser3894: apt-zip may have a place in your workflow |
| 05:39.48 | genex | ah. i would separetly download (apt-get download) one of the linux-image* packages |
| 05:39.57 | debuser3894 | i see |
| 05:40.06 | debuser3894 | ill search randomly for apt-zip and how to get a new kernel |
| 05:40.15 | debuser3894 | im sure after many many hours ill find something somewhat related |
| 05:40.50 | cast | well, i'd constrain your random search for apt-zip to the top 3 google hits |
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| 05:42.36 | genex | cast: debuser3894 im not going to sympathize, but im with cast, just look for top 3 google hits |
| 05:42.52 | genex | they even have an apt-zip page on the debian wiki |
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| 05:43.52 | d__D | ok so I have configured my root home swap and extra hard drive to be fully encrypted and to chainload the encrytion keys from the key located in /root so I only have to enter password for root. I have set the /boot partition (unencrypted) to a usb stick. My question is what if I lose the usb stick? Is there a way to redo the boot partition? |
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| 05:44.26 | cast | d__D: there is, though, you could back it up easily enough |
| 05:45.05 | cast | d__D: another option may be to have a /boot on your drive, just unused and never mounted...except in the exceptional case that you lose your usb drive |
| 05:46.45 | d__D | well, I'm currently doing a re-setup. What do you recommend? There is no way to encrypt /boot correct? so the best security is to use a usb drive as a "old school key like to your door lock" to boot up correct? |
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| 05:47.21 | cast | depends on what attack you're worried about |
| 05:47.52 | cast | unless something weird is going on, you don't have to worry too much about sensitive information being in /boot |
| 05:48.00 | cast | well, by my definition of sensitive |
| 05:48.13 | debuser3894 | hey is https://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Domain_0_.28Host.29_Installation still good for setting up debian as dom0 xen or should i be looking at another article. |
| 05:48.18 | debuser3894 | it seems old referencing squeeze |
| 05:48.21 | d__D | I just figure as long as I'm encrypting the stuff I may as well be do a "paranoid" setup - aka make sure that the boot cannot have the kernel replaced with a keylogging kernel as it would travel with me (in an ideal world, althogh i'll probably just leave it plugged in) |
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| 05:49.22 | d__D | I've just always heard that you could replace the kernel on boot with a keylogging kernel, that would then keylogg your encryption password and thus be able to unlock everything |
| 05:49.29 | cast | sure. |
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| 05:49.41 | d__D | and that the removable usb is the best defense against this attack. |
| 05:50.09 | d__D | obviously this is somewhat "paranoid" setup but if i'm gonna do it may as well do it as best i can |
| 05:50.13 | cast | personally i'd patch cryptsetup to write the key out to a text file, or run dmsetup table at some point to dump the crypt key |
| 05:51.05 | cast | well, text file might be silly, somewhere near the end of the /boot device might work well, or even into the unused LUKS keyslots har har |
| 05:52.28 | d__D | cast - how would I recover a boot without losing my system if I lost the key - you seem knowledgable on the subject. This is my first time encrypting drives, as I just got an ssd drive and figured why not |
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| 05:54.33 | cast | well, /boot holds 3 important things - the kernel, a ram disk, and the grub config, none of which is the end of the world if lost [though, it'll be the end of booting until you sort it out] |
| 05:55.10 | cast | i'd keep a livecd around, keep a backup USB key |
| 05:58.38 | debuser3894 | hey why does one kernel upgrade guide say to use deb-kpkg and another says to use deb-pkg |
| 05:58.41 | debuser3894 | does it matter? |
| 05:59.34 | d__D | cast - is it something that i could recover from with the rescue disk? |
| 06:00.00 | debuser3894 | also my install doesn't have either command (of course that would be too easy) |
| 06:00.06 | d__D | I suppose I could load a live disc and at least get to all the data |
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| 06:01.17 | cast | d__D: it is. recovering stuff like that isn't at the beginner level, but its quite doable. the thing you really don't want to happen is that a LUKS keyslot gets damaged |
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| 06:02.27 | [HUN]bitvilag | hey |
| 06:02.39 | [HUN]bitvilag | anyone here with cisco experience? |
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| 06:02.48 | free_lasagna | hi |
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| 06:03.15 | danlamanna^ | can anyone assist me with this LVM setup? http://i.imgur.com/0mPInrQ.jpg - its failing on installing grub. |
| 06:03.25 | free_lasagna | i do sudo echo "deb [...] contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list and i get "permission denied" even though i use sudo |
| 06:03.33 | danlamanna^ | "an installation step failed. Installing the grub boot loader" |
| 06:04.15 | d__D | cast - ok thanks for the help. Im not a beginner when it comes to recovering things like grub - just my first encryption adventure :) |
| 06:04.40 | free_lasagna | anyone know? |
| 06:05.54 | [HUN]bitvilag | try executing it after executing sudo su |
| 06:05.57 | [HUN]bitvilag | just a guess |
| 06:06.03 | [HUN]bitvilag | and then without sudo |
| 06:06.06 | [HUN]bitvilag | or |
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| 06:06.19 | [HUN]bitvilag | nvm |
| 06:06.37 | free_lasagna | i know i can do it in root shell |
| 06:06.39 | free_lasagna | but i rather do it with just sudo |
| 06:08.22 | cast | [HUN]bitvilag: don't sudo su....use sudo -i |
| 06:09.06 | free_lasagna | still doesn't work, same error |
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| 06:11.06 | [HUN]bitvilag | sorry yeah I thought its ubuntu channel |
| 06:11.08 | [HUN]bitvilag | :D |
| 06:11.08 | [HUN]bitvilag | lol |
| 06:12.07 | free_lasagna | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.06 | free_lasagna | is there possibly a faster mirror than http.debian.net? |
| 06:15.12 | cast | free_lasagna: see netselect-apt package |
| 06:15.19 | jimmybrite | Did anyone on here manage to successfully install Unreal Tournament 99 on Debian 64-bit in the past few years? It seems almost impossible to do with the 486 installer. |
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| 06:16.33 | roue | hola |
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| 06:17.50 | free_lasagna | control + u is to copy |
| 06:17.55 | free_lasagna | i mean to cut |
| 06:17.59 | free_lasagna | what is to paste? |
| 06:18.05 | free_lasagna | control +y? |
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| 06:19.10 | roue | I'm running Wheezy and trying to get xinerama working with an intel graphics chip and the fb device. For some reason all I get are mirrored displays. Not sure what to try next. Thanks for any help. |
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| 06:20.18 | Thor446 | Hallo |
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| 06:20.57 | Thor446 | Im trying to install debian onto my E:/ drive (Ubuntu is on it now), but when I try to boot from my USB (created with LiLi) it just boots right into windows |
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| 06:21.32 | cast | after my system is booted and all is well, is there a mechanism to disable further kernel module loading? |
| 06:24.04 | free_lasagna | thanks for netselect |
| 06:24.10 | free_lasagna | much better |
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| 06:32.19 | Thor446 | Is there a program that would let me format a ext4 HDD on windows 8? |
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| 06:34.08 | cast | Thor446: not really a #debian question, though you could have a debian VM do it :) |
| 06:35.20 | Thor446 | Its slightly relevant, because Im trying to format it to remove ubuntu and install debian :3 |
| 06:35.51 | cast | ahh. why does that involve mkfs.ext4 and windows 8? |
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| 06:37.48 | waynr | Thor446: that sounds like an UEFI issue |
| 06:38.02 | waynr | you need to disable UEFI boot in BIOS to boot from your thumb drive |
| 06:38.56 | waynr | i hate windows8 so hard |
| 06:39.00 | cast | oh...nevermind. i didn't notice your earlier question. |
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| 06:39.31 | waynr | anyone know why i wouldn't be able to access vlc source using 'apt-get source vlc'? |
| 06:39.45 | waynr | i get errors very similar to what is in this post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=515985 |
| 06:39.59 | waynr | i am thinking it could be the particular repository mirror I am accessing |
| 06:40.37 | nfomon | do you have the deb-src lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 06:41.48 | waynr | nfomon: yeah, i checked and was able to apt-get source vim for example |
| 06:42.03 | waynr | i am switching to ftp.debian.org to see if that works |
| 06:42.16 | waynr | if so i'll maybe try to contact the mirror to let them know |
| 06:42.16 | nfomon | but vlc is probably in a separate thing. like at the end of the deb line is there main contrib etc |
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| 06:42.44 | waynr | i have main contrib and non-free |
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| 06:43.41 | waynr | yeah if i try 'apt-get source vlc' I see "Picking vlc-dmo as source package for 'vlc'" |
| 06:43.58 | waynr | then "E: unable to find a source package for vlc-dmo" |
| 06:44.11 | nfomon | what is vlc-dmo... |
| 06:44.22 | nfomon | do you have any nonstandard sources in your sources.list |
| 06:44.30 | nfomon | did the other mirror work? :) |
| 06:45.10 | waynr | yeah i have www.deb-multimedia.org |
| 06:45.16 | waynr | i'll try with that line removed |
| 06:45.24 | waynr | and no, ftp.debian.org did not work |
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| 06:46.23 | nfomon | reportbug asks soo many scary questions; I give up long before submitting my bug! |
| 06:47.20 | waynr | hmm not work even with deb-multimedia.org removed |
| 06:47.36 | nfomon | it wants my real name, email address to make public online, and if it can always assume to have direct internet access. it feels almost as bad as google+!! |
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| 06:48.06 | waynr | except all of that is opt-in |
| 06:48.36 | waynr | debian development depends on a web of trust |
| 06:48.49 | waynr | there is no trust with anonymous parties that no one knows |
| 06:49.17 | nfomon | why do they need my trust? I report bug, they determine for themselves if it is accurate. I do not want to give them an email address to make public... |
| 06:49.23 | waynr | not that reporting bugs necessarily makes on a debian developer, but it is a good first step in that direction |
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| 06:49.50 | cast | waynr: one can be anonymous and trusted. |
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| 06:50.21 | waynr | nfomon: bug reporting is often more than just a simple one-off task. in other words, there is usually a back-and-forth dialogue between bug reporters and package maintainers |
| 06:50.30 | waynr | at least, that has been my experience |
| 06:50.57 | ddel | am i visible? |
| 06:51.05 | nfomon | I am happy to engage in such a dialogue, but not necessarily over email if it means the email address has to be posted on a webpage. |
| 06:51.09 | waynr | you probably don't have to give your real name or a significant email address, but it helps for people to have something to call you and a way to get back in touch with you |
| 06:51.36 | nkuttler | nfomon: so create an address you can share.. |
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| 06:52.21 | waynr | debian bug reporting is, in my understanding, an inherently open process...anyone ought to be able to look through bugs and see what discussion has already occurred |
| 06:52.24 | nfomon | "(Note that this address will be visible in the bug tracking system, so you may |
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| 06:52.27 | nfomon | want to use a webmail address or another address with good spam filtering capabilities.)" |
| 06:53.06 | nfomon | It just makes me uncomfortable that debian is suggesting I set up a relationship with a third-party as a way to shield me from the bad things they admit will happen when I report a bug to them :) |
| 06:53.40 | nfomon | but I admit it's a tricky problem. |
| 06:53.44 | waynr | nfomon: debian repositories include every piece of software that you would need to run your own mail server with spam filtering |
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| 06:54.07 | nfomon | in this instance it's the hardware that I'm missing to do so ;) |
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| 06:54.44 | nkuttler | nfomon: what's your technical problem anyway |
| 06:55.05 | nfomon | dash fails POSIX-sh compliance in its handling of positional parameters after the ninth. |
| 06:55.23 | nfomon | POSIX says $10 should be interpreted as $1 followed by a 0 |
| 06:55.34 | nfomon | admittedly that suuuucks, but dash wants to be compliant. :O |
| 06:57.45 | nkuttler | nfomon: and you base that on which posix docs? |
| 06:57.54 | nfomon | dash's man page even copies a sentence out of the Single UNIX Specification document claiming this restriction, but then fails it ;) |
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| 06:58.26 | nfomon | section 2.6.2 of SUSv2 or SUSv3 which if I understand correctly are linked to specific versions of POSIX or close to it |
| 06:59.52 | nkuttler | are you vague on purpose? |
| 07:00.13 | nfomon | ....? no, just confused maybe? |
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| 07:00.21 | nkuttler | ok |
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| 07:01.07 | waynr | okay so 'dpkg -s vlc' shows 'vlc-dmo' as its source package |
| 07:01.11 | nfomon | The "Parameter Expansion" section of SUSv3 says: "The parameter name or symbol can be enclosed in braces, which are optional except for positional parameters with more than one digit or (...)" |
| 07:01.32 | nfomon | if you install susv3 package you can look at file:///usr/share/doc/susv3/susv3/utilities/xcu_chap02.html#tag_02_06_02 |
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| 07:01.43 | waynr | but I don't see 'vlc-dmo' searching with apt-cache or aptitude |
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| 07:02.08 | flos | nfomon, a mirror of source can be found here: http://free.nchc.org.tw/debian-multimedia/pool/main/v/vlc-dmo/ |
| 07:02.11 | nfomon | waynr so I guess you maybe have that package still in your local cache but it's no longer in your sources list? |
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| 07:04.43 | nkuttler | nfomon: read the next paragraph |
| 07:05.00 | waynr | nfomon: is that cache you are referring to the same thing that would be cleaned by 'aptitude autoclean'? |
| 07:06.35 | nfomon | nkuttler: ok but not quite, because from 2.5.1 "Positional Parameters" it says: "When a positional parameter with more than one digit is specified, the application shall enclose the digits in braces (see Parameter Expansion)." |
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| 07:07.22 | nfomon | And then again in the other part I quoted from 2.6.2, it says that for positional parameters the {}'s are required |
| 07:07.26 | waynr | nfomon: are you saying that in dash $10 is equivalent to ${10} ? |
| 07:07.29 | nfomon | (for ${10} and up) |
| 07:07.38 | nfomon | waynr: yes |
| 07:07.55 | waynr | yeah that does sound incompatible with posix sh |
| 07:07.58 | nkuttler | nfomon: so "you should do x" but "never mind if you don't do x" |
| 07:08.08 | waynr | not that i've read any of those documents |
| 07:08.21 | waynr | just never heard of a shell that treats $10 like that |
| 07:09.15 | nfomon | nkuttler: I think when they say "shall" it means "must". In susv2 they did use "must" for this. |
| 07:09.49 | nfomon | I mean, susv2: "When a positional parameter with more than one digit is specified, the application must enclose the digits in braces" |
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| 07:10.42 | nfomon | susv3 changed that "must" to "shall", now I'm looking to see if that's a change of meaning... |
| 07:10.54 | nfomon | I suppose I ought to be looking at susv4 regardless.. ;-) |
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| 07:12.44 | nfomon | (file:///usr/share/doc/susv3/susv3/nframe.html defines "shall" as: "For an implementation that conforms to IEEE Std 1003.1-2001, describes a feature or behavior that is mandatory. An application can rely on the existence of the feature or behavior. |
| 07:12.48 | nfomon | For an application or user, describes a behavior that is mandatory.") |
| 07:13.14 | nfomon | hum, that link failed because frames. oh well. |
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| 07:29.24 | nfomon | nkuttler: anyway thanks for talking it over. the specs do seem to leave it questionable. so idk I'll suck it up and submit my bug with some spammy email address :) |
| 07:29.59 | nfomon | and the debian dash devs can decide how to interpret whichever version of POSIX they want dash to conformto |
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| 07:30.45 | molavy | hi |
| 07:30.48 | molavy | i want bridge between guest and host on interface eth0 |
| 07:30.55 | molavy | but i can't access guest anyway |
| 07:31.05 | molavy | http://dpaste.com/1569986/ |
| 07:31.15 | molavy | here is my network config files |
| 07:31.26 | molavy | host is centos and guest is debian |
| 07:31.35 | molavy | inside guest #nmcli con up id "con1" return : state unknow , connection activation failed |
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| 07:31.59 | afsal | which voip package will you prefer for debian ? |
| 07:33.21 | molavy | what? i use libvirt for virtualization |
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| 07:39.22 | molavy | any idea? |
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| 07:41.54 | afsal | molavy: why your asking this |
| 07:43.36 | molavy | i want run http service on guest |
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| 07:43.50 | molavy | my server has 2 interface eth0 and eth1 |
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| 07:44.37 | molavy | interface eth0 has direct access to internet with static ip , but interface eth1 get local network ip |
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| 07:45.30 | molavy | i want connect guest to interface eth0 so can run web service on guest |
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| 07:45.52 | dont-panic | trying to install 7 on my laptop, says its missing iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode and iwlwifi-2030-5.ucode |
| 07:46.08 | petern_ | molavy, assuming your guest is vnet0, it is |
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| 07:47.06 | afsal | dont-panic: which laptop is yours |
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| 07:47.48 | dont-panic | asus u47a I think? |
| 07:47.57 | molavy | petern_: how can i find it> |
| 07:48.00 | molavy | ? |
| 07:48.40 | dont-panic | afsal: yeah, asus u47a |
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| 07:51.50 | afsal | dont-panic: try to download drivers directly from http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi/?n=Downloads |
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| 07:54.45 | afsal | molavy: read some about libvirt from http://libvirt.org/ |
| 07:54.56 | afsal | dpkg libvir |
| 07:54.58 | dpkg | afsal: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 07:55.52 | molavy | i change default create bridge: brctl show : return http://dpaste.com/1570010/ |
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| 07:59.09 | molavy | afsal: i read docs about 6 hours with no success |
| 07:59.27 | cesurasean2 | hey guys. im trying to rsync my system from Amazon AWS to Digital Ocean, what is the best way to go about this? I'm running Debian Jessie, and when I do what I've done, and boot, it seems networking is messed up, and it stops booting my system at Bind9. |
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| 08:04.38 | cesurasean2 | is it true that if networking is messed up, Bind9 will not boot? |
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| 08:42.31 | sweb | is it posssibe assign two ip during installation debain ? |
| 08:43.37 | ompaul | sweb: I've not seen evidence of such ability but on first reboot one could |
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| 08:43.56 | ompaul | sweb: what problem are you trying to address> |
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| 08:54.16 | dont-panic | when it asks you to put in a usb drive with missing firmware... why can't it find the firmware? |
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| 09:05.25 | sweb | ompaul: nothing i wanna just add two address in my eth0 during installation |
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| 09:06.31 | ompaul | sweb: I think you'd find you'd have problems with default routes and installing and stuff like that if you did |
| 09:06.51 | dreamss | ifconfig eth0 add newip |
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| 09:07.08 | ompaul | dreamss: did you ever do that on an installer? |
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| 09:07.49 | Mikaela | Does installer allow other TTYs? As far as I know, ATL+FXX opens busybox. |
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| 09:09.02 | reavengrey | v, wine |
| 09:09.13 | releasee | whats the procedure to enable ipv6 support in debian |
| 09:09.30 | ompaul | releasee: it is there |
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| 09:09.33 | reavengrey | ,v wine |
| 09:09.35 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-2; sid: 1.6.2-2+b1 |
| 09:09.46 | releasee | hm ok ompaul |
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| 09:09.59 | releasee | how to check if its enabled ompaul |
| 09:10.25 | releasee | ya mean its enabled by def |
| 09:10.27 | ompaul | releasee: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 09:10.33 | releasee | tnx ompaul |
| 09:10.35 | ompaul | it is enabled by default |
| 09:10.59 | releasee | hm ok |
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| 09:31.01 | Koma-AFK | ma è giù facebook? |
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| 10:03.28 | indieross | thanks debian for helping me finally ditch ubuntu |
| 10:04.15 | babilen | yw, read http://debian-handbook.info/ if you want to learn more about it |
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| 10:10.19 | Mikaela | Why nobody ever told me about that? Looks interesting. |
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| 10:14.43 | indieross | man o man i was super against gnome3 but not after using it after a day and tweaking it, i really dig it |
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| 10:15.35 | indieross | the only thing i noticed is chrom unstable loads pages slower than on ubuntu, im sure it has something to do with my flags |
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| 10:27.41 | fps | hi, i'm trying to debug the build of a program and i need to install debian in a virtualbox. the debian version is "squeeze" |
| 10:27.59 | indieross | do it |
| 10:28.35 | fps | when i start looking for an installation medium here |
| 10:28.37 | fps | http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/ |
| 10:28.50 | fps | and click through the madness i always end up with an image of debian 7.0 |
| 10:29.23 | indieross | use a net install and manually edit the repos to squeeze |
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| 10:29.39 | fps | indieross: actually maybe i was just tired last night |
| 10:29.56 | fps | i always went by the architectures on that page |
| 10:30.05 | indieross | http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ |
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| 10:30.51 | fps | indieross: yeah, this time around i found it immediately. |
| 10:31.04 | fps | ah i made the mistake on clicking on the "Installation guide" |
| 10:31.13 | fps | that one ultimately seems to skip versions somewhere |
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| 10:31.28 | fps | clicking on "installation information" leads me to the release images |
| 10:31.30 | fps | great |
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| 10:51.36 | LinuxIsTheFuture | Hello how do i upgrade from sid to wheezy? |
| 10:51.59 | tech9ne | wtf? :S |
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| 10:52.20 | xand | LinuxIsTheFuture: you don't |
| 10:52.45 | xand | reinstall |
| 10:53.03 | tech9ne | i actually 2nd that xand |
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| 10:53.06 | tech9ne | :) |
| 10:53.10 | tech9ne | lol |
| 10:53.21 | LinuxIsTheFuture | ok thank you xand |
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| 11:05.42 | xand | no. |
| 11:06.20 | pupil | why does Frutik writtings become boxes in my pidgin? |
| 11:06.38 | Frutik | problem nvidia setting controller noconnect debian 7 |
| 11:07.10 | Frutik | internet no connection PC writing mobile |
| 11:07.29 | pupil | to bad, i use AMD |
| 11:07.41 | Frutik | yes |
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| 11:08.13 | Frutik | problem MAC address? |
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| 11:47.05 | fps | hmm, is there a way to get g++ 4.8 into squeeze? |
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| 11:52.07 | Mikaela | I /i§et |
| 11:52.27 | Mikaela | Sorry, I tried to /iset |
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| 11:55.39 | ompaul | ,v g++ |
| 11:55.40 | judd | Package: g++ on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.8.2-1; sid: 4:4.8.2-2; experimental: 4:4.9-1exp1 |
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| 11:56.20 | fps | ompaul: ignore my ignorance. i'm just trying to help a user with a build on squeeze. what does that information tell me? |
| 11:56.33 | ompaul | fps: I was wondering if there was a backport |
| 11:56.41 | ompaul | there isn't |
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| 11:57.01 | fps | ompaul: ok, so i'll have to get back to him and ask him how in the world he got 4.8.x in there.. |
| 11:57.04 | fps | ompaul: thanks |
| 11:57.16 | ompaul | given squeeze is about to lose support in four or so months - it might be better to get him to move up a version |
| 11:57.59 | ompaul | and you build it yourself (messy at some level) or run jessie which isn't released but does have it |
| 11:58.05 | ompaul | at least you'd have the core |
| 11:58.27 | ompaul | when it goes stable at least you'd get more life span out of $project |
| 11:58.57 | fps | oh well, since the ultimate problem seems to be one of my cmake build not being able to differentiate between python2 and 3 versions of the python dev libraries and boost python dev libs i suppose i'd get a somewhat similar environment showing the same problem with wheezy? |
| 11:59.07 | fps | or whatever the 7.0 debian release name was |
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| 11:59.42 | ompaul | wheezy correct |
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| 12:00.00 | ompaul | well you could tell your cmake to work out what python it was looking at I imagine |
| 12:00.13 | fps | ok, i'll try upgrading my squeeze install to wheezy |
| 12:00.25 | fps | this amounts to hacking sources.lst, update and dist-upgrade? |
| 12:01.20 | ompaul | add -DPYTHON_EXECUTABLE:FILEPATH=/path/to/python2.7 might help |
| 12:01.43 | ompaul | fps: bring up to date first, however is it a vps? |
| 12:02.15 | fps | ompaul: it's an install from two hours ago in a virtual box? |
| 12:02.19 | fps | ompaul: what's a "vps"? |
| 12:02.45 | fps | ompaul: will check the cmake variable out after the upgrade. thanks for the pointer. |
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| 12:03.00 | fps | ompaul: this might use the right python2 c dev libs, but not sure about boost-python |
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| 12:03.07 | fps | ompaul: which seems to come in two flavors, too |
| 12:03.31 | fps | ompaul: actually i'll just get the wheeezy netinstall image and reinstall |
| 12:05.29 | ompaul | fps: it is a virtual machine provided by $rackspace etc |
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| 12:05.56 | fps | ompaul: ah ok, no. igot my vms locally |
| 12:06.15 | ompaul | fps: is this to face the internet or build deploy and no net access? |
| 12:07.08 | fps | ompaul: just to test the build process |
| 12:07.24 | fps | ompaul: to reproduce the user's problem to then be able to find a fix :D |
| 12:07.39 | ompaul | fps: but deployed and working where would it sit |
| 12:07.42 | fps | ompaul: no net access besides fetching stuff |
| 12:08.00 | ompaul | fps: I'm asking for a very specific reason ;-) |
| 12:08.04 | fps | ompaul: what's "deployed" in your lingo? |
| 12:08.15 | ompaul | fps: operational |
| 12:08.39 | fps | ompaul: well, i start up the vm, grab the source, the packages he has installed that are relevant and then try to build |
| 12:08.42 | fps | :D |
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| 12:08.58 | fps | once i succeed i push back my changes to the build script to the repo and will never open the vm up again ;D |
| 12:09.07 | fps | unless another problem with debian pops up ;D |
| 12:09.09 | ompaul | examples of different requirements, is it sitting in a shop providing spreadsheets, or is it on an internet facing box managing customer interaction or something else |
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| 12:09.39 | fps | ompaul: the vm is sitting on my local dev box here and has no listening ports exposed to the internet |
| 12:09.45 | ompaul | and his? |
| 12:09.50 | fps | ompaul: oh, no idea |
| 12:09.53 | ompaul | that is the deployed version |
| 12:09.57 | ompaul | ah ok |
| 12:10.02 | ompaul | well hope he keeps it up to date |
| 12:10.18 | fps | his squeeze you mean? critical security flaws? |
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| 12:10.40 | ompaul | yes, and more |
| 12:10.53 | fps | ompaul: ok, i'll drop him a note |
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| 12:39.55 | cardiel | im experincing hot cpu when running kernel above 3.8.2, my cpu is a i5-2430m.. what could be the problem? |
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| 12:42.30 | powermaniac | Hello, how do I install the OSS Radeon GPU drivers? I've tried following this: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo But it says nothing needs to be installed...But it can't find: libgl1-mesa-dri and ARandR doesn't seem to work which I believe is a sign the radeon drivers aren't installed? |
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| 12:45.20 | wols | powermaniac: you don't need to do anything. they are used by default |
| 12:45.47 | wols | powermaniac: glxconfig |grep -i render tells you if it is installed. as is your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 12:45.52 | somiaj | you may need to install firmware-linux-nonfree from non-free if you want better preformance from the card, but shoudln't need more than that |
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| 12:46.56 | powermaniac | Well the odd thing is when I'm booting up you have that screen (not sure what it is called) that ticks off if everything has loaded correctly. And it says I'm running an R600 and that I need firmware-linux-nonfree. But I'm running a HD 5870 Cypress card... |
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| 13:04.55 | vipconsult | I need some help with samba installation. I asked in the samba channel , but it seems dead. I have built samba from source Version 3.6.23 , but when I run smbd it starts and it stops imidiately. The log file is empty so not sure how to troublehsoot. Any advice how to approach the troubleshooting ? |
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| 13:05.25 | abrotman | why would you build it from source? What's wrong with the Debian packages? |
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| 13:07.09 | vipconsult | nothing , I prefer to build form source as it had an advantage of quick bug fixes using the git system |
| 13:08.12 | xand | vipconsult: if you build from source you can't expect help in here I'm afraid ;) |
| 13:08.48 | xand | plus packages tend to just-work. |
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| 13:12.28 | vipconsult | ok I will try in samba-dev again |
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| 13:13.14 | Guest71765 | ciao |
| 13:13.21 | Guest71765 | !list |
| 13:13.21 | dpkg | guest71765: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 13:24.11 | mjt | what's the good ipsec server for debian? I looked at racoon - good but runs as root and is buggy (#679482), strongswan - it has a ton of plugins doing weird things and upstream basically forbids to remove them (http://wiki.strongswan.org/projects/strongswan/wiki/PluginLoad), and openswan (which uses obsolete IKEv1 protocol). Is there anything else? |
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| 13:29.12 | michielb | Hi |
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| 13:32.06 | michielb | Hi, I use this script but the computer that is connected on eth0 can't ping to the internet. Only to my laptop with this script. What do I wrong? http://pastebin.com/6QmWJeQC ps. Sorry for my englisch ;-) |
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| 13:35.18 | powermaniac | michielb: Are you trying to bridge a network? As I've been trying to do that myself recently, a wireless to wired bridge that is. An easy way to set one up if you are on Debian LXDE (and it should work on other Desktop Environments) is to go to Network Manager click Edit Connections, go to the ethernet connection and click IPv4 Settings, go to Method and click "Shared to Other Computers" |
| 13:36.26 | powermaniac | michielb: That should be all that is needed if I've remembered correctly. |
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| 13:46.33 | raougon | after i accidentally deleted all log files, cannot hibernate. which log file is required for hibernate? |
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| 13:53.31 | wols | raougon: tried to reboot? should recreate the log files. tho I dunno why hibernate woulld need one |
| 13:53.34 | joj | raougon: none AFAIK. I suppose you deleted the contents /var/log/*? |
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| 13:54.31 | raougon | joj: exactly.hownow? |
| 13:56.49 | joj | raougon: hibernate works by writing an image to your swap area and shutting down. When the kernel boots next time, it looks in the swap for an hibernation image and if there is one, it loads it back into memory and restores the state. |
| 13:57.15 | joj | raougon: the question would be, in *what way* does hibernating fail? |
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| 13:59.47 | raougon | joj: good question. when i choose 'hibernate' from the 'Leave' options, i get pop-up screen to login to unlock. |
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| 14:01.58 | joj | raougon: you're under some desktop environment then. Let's try if it works the direct way, without relying on the DE where everything can go wrong. Try typing "sudo pm-hibernate" in a terminal; your system should hibernate immediately. |
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| 14:04.32 | raougon | joj: thks. will try it when i next power-down. |
| 14:05.27 | joj | raougon: if the command is not available, you have to install the pm-utils package first. |
| 14:05.54 | raougon | OK. |
| 14:07.41 | raougon | still curious. how any log file can affect hibernate under a DE. |
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| 14:10.58 | raougon | guys, thks. gotta go. |
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| 14:21.40 | michielb | powermaniac thanks. I will test it ;-) |
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| 14:23.57 | whirli | hey guys! Anybody have any idea why winetricks in jessie returns "wineserver not found!"? Ive tried to search from the interwebs but everything Ive found is that it has something to do with wineserver being in the wrong place. How might I try to correct that? |
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| 14:25.49 | wols | whirli: find out the old and new hostname of this wineserver, then edit the script? |
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| 14:27.38 | whirli | wols: cool. how? :D |
| 14:28.37 | wols | google? reading the script? |
| 14:28.47 | wols | a hostname is fairly easy to spot usually |
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| 14:30.52 | Sysadmin88 | i'm looking to setup a repository for some tests... but i can't find an idiot proof tutorial. anyone got a link for one. |
| 14:31.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Sysadmin88 about own repo |
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| 14:33.11 | itz_ | on sid I'm trying to remove gnome without removing libreoffice and libreoffice appears as autoremoval. How to fix? |
| 14:33.16 | michielb | powermaniac: same problem, the pc can ping to my laptop but not to the internet. |
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| 14:34.00 | centrx | "appears as autoremoval"!?!? |
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| 14:34.25 | itz_ | I mean is recommended as autoremoval |
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| 14:35.48 | powermaniac | michielb: Hmm are both laptop and desktop running Debian? |
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| 14:36.31 | michielb | laptop: linux mint (based on ubuntu) desktop: debian |
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| 14:37.25 | powermaniac | michielb: So which is running the wireless connection you are trying to bridge to the ethernet connected computer? |
| 14:37.49 | powermaniac | michielb: Laptop or desktop? |
| 14:37.53 | michielb | wireless -> laptop -> cable -> desktop |
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| 14:38.20 | powermaniac | michielb: Ahh okay, so instead of doing those steps I told you on the desktop try it on the laptop. |
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| 14:38.31 | michielb | they have both a ip and they can ping each other |
| 14:38.41 | powermaniac | michielb: And just use the automatic DHCP setting on the desktop |
| 14:39.01 | michielb | I know. that is what I did ;) |
| 14:39.10 | itz_ | I suppose I need to install the libreoffice metapackage |
| 14:39.21 | itz_ | anyone happen to know what its called? |
| 14:39.36 | abrotman | itz_: libreoffice.org maybe? aptitude search libreoffice |
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| 14:42.13 | centrx | itz_, So what if it is recommended for autoremove? |
| 14:42.16 | powermaniac | michielb: Oh I forgot a step, you might need to either unplug the ethernet cable and plug it back in, or turn off the wireless card in the laptop and turn it back on or do a reboot to get it to work. Basically the same steps I used on Debian can also be used on Ubuntu or Linux Mint as is described here: forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=157&t=119395 |
| 14:42.20 | centrx | itz_, Just don't remove it |
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| 14:44.17 | itz_ | hmm the correct answer seemed to be just "apt-get install libreoffice" since I was lacking the metapackage |
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| 14:54.03 | michielb | powermaniac: hmm when I plug in my ethernet cable into my laptop. my eth0 ip is 10.42.0.1 (that´s fine) but my wlan0 ip changed to 10.0.0.1 (my local wifi network is 192.168.1.1) and the internet connection of my laptop is gone. |
| 14:54.40 | michielb | I think that´s the problem ;./ |
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| 14:57.12 | powermaniac | michielb: Ahh okay. Can you reconnect? |
| 14:57.18 | tremon | do you have any AP software installed? The only way I can see that happening is if you configured your machine to be a wireless access point/internet sharing device |
| 14:57.36 | tremon | (though I don't know any debian software that would do that) |
| 14:57.44 | superflit | question: I do have an vm with pre-installed, what is the best way to run a menu asking for some questions at its first time boot? |
| 14:58.08 | michielb | powermaniac: yes I can reconnect the wifi and then the connection on my laptop is fine but my desktop cant acces the internet |
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| 14:59.24 | powermaniac | tremon: I think you might be right, annoyingly I had it working so easily myself today (had to do it with a Debian to Windows 7 bridge) |
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| 15:00.15 | powermaniac | michielb: Not what else to try as bridging the manual way of editing /etc/network/interfaces just didn't work for me as brctl-utils doesn't like wireless connections |
| 15:00.22 | powermaniac | Not sure* |
| 15:00.36 | michielb | I have installed firewall builder yesterday but I thought I disabled it. |
| 15:02.06 | michielb | this: http://pastebin.com/6QmWJeQC don´t change my wlan0 ip but my desktop can´t ping to the internet also |
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| 15:03.39 | FastCode | you're using gk/sudo wrong |
| 15:03.52 | powermaniac | michielb: Hopefully someone here can help, as I have to go. Sorry. |
| 15:03.54 | FastCode | put them all in a script and add it to sudoers file |
| 15:04.06 | michielb | powermaniac: okay, thanks |
| 15:04.18 | tremon | iirc bridging a wireless connection is impossible in normal mode. I think you need to enable wds on the access point and 4addr mode on your laptop, but I've never tried it |
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| 15:11.01 | tremon | michielb: http://nullroute.eu.org/~grawity/journal.html#post:20110826 |
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| 15:18.55 | apm1 | aren't there headers for the BPO kernel ? |
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| 15:19.50 | michielb | tremon: thanks but I don´t want enable things in the router. |
| 15:20.22 | tremon | ,v linux-headers-amd64 |
| 15:20.23 | judd | Package: linux-headers-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.12+55~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.12+55; sid: 3.12+55 |
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| 15:20.42 | tremon | apm1: they seem to exist |
| 15:22.01 | apm1 | tremon, hmm thanks its dang vbox acting up with the deps again , gonna have to install with -t backports i guess :) |
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| 15:22.19 | phlux | Good morning everyone. I've just got a quick question: I'm going to be moving my Gentoo laptop over to Debian today for a few reasons, and I was wondering how I would go about getting the best experience coming off of a rolling release system. I like my packages to be up-to-date, but not necessarily the day/week they come down from upstream. I was thinking the "testing" branch would be the way to go? |
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| 15:22.40 | tremon | apm1: you should always do that when using backports |
| 15:22.50 | tremon | s/using/installing from/ |
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| 15:23.36 | abrotman | phlux: you can, there may be some bumps and bruises. I'd suggest tracking 'jessie', not 'testing' |
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| 15:24.47 | phlux | abrotman: I need to learn the branch names..I'm not very familiar with what's what. I do know that the names seem to follow Toy Story characters (awesome, btw). I'm assuming "jessie" is the "nickname," so to speak for the testing release? |
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| 15:25.18 | tremon | phlux: yes, testing is probably what you want. But be aware that Debian stops "rolling" when a release freeze is in effect |
| 15:25.51 | phlux | tremon: That's fine. How long do the freezes last? |
| 15:26.56 | tremon | generally, about 8-12 months. Depends on the amount of bugfixing left to do. |
| 15:27.19 | centrx | They must be shorter than that |
| 15:27.33 | tremon | iirc wheezy was frozen in July and released in February |
| 15:27.57 | dvs | !wheezy |
| 15:27.58 | dpkg | Wheezy is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 7.0, released on 2013-05-04: http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 . Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <release notes> <squeeze->wheezy>. Currently <7.3>. |
| 15:28.06 | dvs | in May |
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| 15:28.47 | centrx | Squeeze freeze was six months |
| 15:29.10 | phlux | tremon: aye, well I don't use too much software, honestly. wpa_supplicant, dhcpcd, i3wm, a terminal emulator, chrome, keepassx, and thunderbird. If I absolutely *need* something to be updated during a freeze, I could always just grab a .deb from upstream (assuming they provide one) or just build it from source. |
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| 15:29.45 | centrx | There are updates during a freeze anyway |
| 15:29.55 | phlux | Ah |
| 15:30.01 | phlux | I see |
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| 15:31.24 | tremon | hmm, I think I'm remembering the former releases there. both lenny and squeeze were release in feb (frozen in july resp august) |
| 15:31.49 | centrx | lenny: seven month freeze |
| 15:32.18 | tremon | yeah, seems I was over-inflating the freeze duration ;) |
| 15:34.43 | abrotman | tremon: it just seems like eternity :) |
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| 15:39.25 | free_lasagna | is there a windows program for putting debian on a boot usb flash drive? |
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| 15:39.54 | free_lasagna | there is yumi and usb-install-creator, but those list only debian live and debian netinst |
| 15:39.58 | free_lasagna | i was wanting the lxde version |
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| 15:40.32 | samurailink3 | free_lasagna: I've used Unetbootin (http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/) with success. You can tell it to use an existing ISO. |
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| 15:40.44 | free_lasagna | thanks |
| 15:42.18 | dvs | bad idea |
| 15:42.27 | dvs | free_lasagna: win32diskimager |
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| 16:02.42 | tormen__ | Hi. I have a strange USB Problem: When I plug an external usb mouse, it works and if I don't move it for 5 sec. it stops working and also the red light of the mouse goes dark. The mouse is WORKING fine on another computer. Also tried another USB mouse on my notebook, same problem. |
| 16:03.34 | tormen__ | Debian 7.3 stable with backports 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 kernel. |
| 16:04.01 | tormen__ | I will try in init 1 ... ;) |
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| 16:04.42 | ELETRONICO_HW | hello |
| 16:05.02 | ELETRONICO_HW | please help me , i cant video |
| 16:05.10 | ELETRONICO_HW | only shell |
| 16:05.21 | tremon | oh well. no link to usb power management info for you then |
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| 16:07.40 | ssh-newbie | hello, I need help with my ssh known_hosts file, I need to see the most recents ip there but I do not know how to do it, and when I do ssh-keygen -h -F hostname it shows the help for ssh-keygen, somebody can helpme? |
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| 16:10.22 | tremon | ssh-newbie: known_hosts is a text file. to see the most recent entries, use tail. ssh-keygen has nothing to do with known_hosts, what are you trying to do? |
| 16:11.26 | tremon | ELETRONICO_HW: install a desktop environment, like xfce |
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| 16:15.19 | ssh-newbie | tremon: thank you, I work with ssh for remote controling one of my computers, something went wrong with ddclient in that pc and now I cant access (because ddclient is redirecting to te local IP address and not to the public ip address), so I need to see the last IP addres to manually configure the dyndns ip, with that I think that I could connect vÃa ssh and then repair the ddclient |
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| 16:16.50 | ssh-newbie | if I nano the known_hosts I cant read anything, it is crypted |
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| 16:17.38 | tremon | might be easier to just search your history then (history|grep ssh) |
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| 16:18.09 | tremon | yes, looking at my known_hosts file it seems that newer entries are completely encrypted, the hostname and/or ip address used to be stored unencrypted |
| 16:18.30 | ssh-newbie | thank you! and which is the command?? please? I do not know the file name |
| 16:20.14 | ssh-newbie | ok, I ran history|grep ssh and it shows the commands, but does not shows any ip |
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| 16:22.26 | tremon | hmm, so you connected through the hostname. that's logical, but doesn't help right now |
| 16:22.49 | tremon | afaics, there is no way to decrypt known_hosts entries (they're hashed, not encrypted) |
| 16:23.47 | tremon | even ssh-keygen doesn't help you here: ssh-keygen -F will print the matching line, but it won't decrypt it |
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| 16:24.46 | tremon | can you access any old logs from that machine (or from dyndns)? |
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| 16:25.24 | ssh-newbie | not, at dyndns I cant because I have a free account, and I do not know how to look in my local machine logs |
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| 16:26.36 | tremon | the local machine logs won't help you, you'd need the logs of the remote computer |
| 16:27.45 | ssh-newbie | tremon: I see, well, if I run ssh-keygen -r hostname it shows a hashed code for the hostname, do you know if there is a way to de-hash it? |
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| 16:28.21 | tremon | there isn't. A hash isn't reversible |
| 16:28.39 | ssh-newbie | :'( |
| 16:29.34 | tremon | is your remote machine doing serving local network services, like being router, dhcp server or dns server? |
| 16:30.57 | ssh-newbie | tremon: no, I was working and I had closed almost everything, maybe it is running firefox |
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| 16:32.55 | tremon | that won't help. you can try running network sniffers like nmap on your local network if it's still connected and listening locally. Just don't do that on the public internet, that's a felony in some countries |
| 16:34.04 | ssh-newbie | maybe, thank you for your help tremon |
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| 16:38.17 | Prostetnic | Hello, I'm looking into installing Debian at work, in the hope of a more stable experience than I am currently getting with Fedora. |
| 16:39.13 | scinawa | hi everybody, where do i can get info about package versioning of debian? in the specific i wan to know what's the p1,2,3 after OpenSSH_5.3 banner |
| 16:39.22 | scinawa | and if it's only for package like ssh or also other |
| 16:39.37 | Prostetnic | I would quite like to have the option of using cinnamon, I've followed this guide http://avedo.net/708/installing-debian-wheezy-with-cinnamon-desktop/ |
| 16:39.56 | Prostetnic | is this a mental thing to be considering? |
| 16:40.40 | scinawa | grep -P "\.(\d)+p\d" <--using this regexp for filtering package name from a large db of fingerprint, but only ssh comes up.. |
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| 16:44.00 | Prostetnic | My question isn't about getting the linked process working by the way it's about whether it is a really bad idea to be running a Wheezy system with the LMDE repo's enabled. |
| 16:44.29 | tremon | scinawa: that's upstream versioning. The pN numbering indicates portable (non-openBSD) releases |
| 16:44.48 | mtn | Prostetnic: bad idea and not supported by this channel |
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| 16:46.14 | Prostetnic | Is there anywhere you would recommend asking? |
| 16:46.27 | ghost75_ | the only proper way of going from 32 to 64bit is reinstall right? |
| 16:46.36 | abrotman | ghost75_: technically, yes |
| 16:46.40 | scinawa | yep ghost75_ |
| 16:46.45 | tremon | proper, yes. |
| 16:46.52 | abrotman | Prostetnic: If you want what LMDE offers, just use LMDE, ask them for support, we do not support it here |
| 16:46.55 | mtn | Prostetnic: I would recommend not doing it. |
| 16:47.01 | Prostetnic | I was hoping to get a sense of whether it was something that people did? |
| 16:47.04 | ghost75_ | and /etc folder is same 32<->64bit ? |
| 16:47.10 | scinawa | thank you tremon |
| 16:47.17 | abrotman | Prostetnic: Not that #debian supports |
| 16:47.45 | abrotman | Prostetnic: so if you do it, and things break, you're on your own |
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| 16:48.56 | scinawa | do you have link that talks about that? i find that only ssh have this versioning from my grepping.. |
| 16:48.57 | mtn | Prostetnic: on the bright side, if you break it, you get to keep both pieces! |
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| 16:49.42 | tremon | scinawa: http://openssh.org/portable.html |
| 16:50.27 | Prostetnic | mtn, I would have thought that if I broke it, it would be a pretty simple matter to dump all packages from the LMDE repo |
| 16:50.54 | Prostetnic | In which case I'd certainly have at least one piece |
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| 16:51.16 | mtn | Prostetnic: it might work and it might not, depending on what they installed |
| 16:51.30 | mtn | Prostetnic: off topic here, anyway |
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| 16:52.18 | Prostetnic | ok |
| 16:52.23 | abrotman | Prostetnic: no one here can answer that, we don't know how those LMDE packages have changed your system |
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| 16:52.41 | robsonpeixoto | hi all. This site are down: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=bash-completion/bash-completion.git;a=patch;h=f230cfddbd12b8c777040e33bac1174c0e2898af |
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| 16:54.01 | abrotman | robsonpeixoto: no, site works |
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| 16:54.24 | robsonpeixoto | abrotman: 404 - No such project |
| 16:54.44 | robsonpeixoto | http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/ -> 404 - No projects found |
| 16:56.02 | Roland- | EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) |
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| 16:56.08 | Roland- | hello, can I disable this info ? |
| 16:56.46 | abrotman | robsonpeixoto: https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth |
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| 16:57.05 | petn-randall | Roland-: Disable what? |
| 16:57.18 | petn-randall | Roland-: Where don't you want this info to appear? |
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| 17:00.02 | centrx | Quack quack |
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| 17:00.21 | AlexLikeRock | duck on the target ! |
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| 17:01.55 | Roland- | petn-randall in dmesg |
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| 17:03.27 | petn-randall | Roland-: No, you can't suppress it there. If it distracts you, you can grep it out though. |
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| 17:04.01 | ompaul | grep -v thing-you-don\'t-want |
| 17:04.55 | Roland- | ok thanks |
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| 17:10.03 | galex-713 | Hello, is there a way to get a package working with GnuTLS in Debian? Everything seems to be compiled to work with OpenSSL… |
| 17:10.56 | mjt | hm. Is it possible to have a program to work with SATA on windows? Everything seems to be working with USB... |
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| 17:12.32 | galex-713 | I mean, everything seem to be compiled to work with OpenSSL instead of GnuTLS |
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| 17:13.18 | jhutchin1 | galex-713: Both TLS and SSL are used for various authentication processes. |
| 17:13.43 | mjt | hopefully ssl isn't used already |
| 17:13.50 | jhutchin1 | galex-713: They are used for different things. |
| 17:14.31 | mjt | tls is a successor for sslv2 and sslv3, both ssls are found to be weak. |
| 17:14.31 | galex-713 | jhutchin1: I’m not talking about TLS/SSL but GnuTLS/OpenSSL |
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| 17:14.53 | galex-713 | TLS/SSL are standards, GnuTLS/OpenSSL are implementation of it |
| 17:14.56 | galex-713 | *them |
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| 17:15.07 | mjt | $ apt-cache rdepends libgnutls26 | wc -l |
| 17:15.07 | mjt | 737 |
| 17:15.22 | mjt | galex-713: that's 737 packages compiled against libgnutls |
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| 17:15.52 | mjt | so 'Everything is compiled against openssl' appears to be an overstatement.. |
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| 17:16.03 | galex-713 | Yes… |
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| 17:16.50 | mjt | there are 1287 packages linked with libssl1.0.0 too, but 737 is still _far_ from "nothing" :) |
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| 17:17.32 | galex-713 | Yes you’re right… |
| 17:17.39 | forcer | I guess the question is "can I make a package which currently uses openssl use gnutls", and the answer would be "likely, but you'd have to recompile" |
| 17:18.06 | galex-713 | Unfortunatly it seems all package I searched if there was GnuTLS support are compiled against OpenSSL |
| 17:18.08 | galex-713 | Ah ok |
| 17:18.20 | galex-713 | So I would have to recompile the whole package… |
| 17:18.36 | jhutchin1 | forcer: Usuall both methods will be available. These days packages tend to be compiled with most of the options enabled and confirurable. |
| 17:18.37 | mjt | the two libraries provide entirely different API |
| 17:18.44 | galex-713 | But then wouldn’t I encouter upgrade problem, especially for security upgrade? |
| 17:19.35 | forcer | jhutchin1: Both gnutls and openssl libraries provide implementations for the tls and ssl protocols. You are still confused because of the names of implementations vs. names of standards. |
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| 17:19.52 | jhutchin1 | No, I am not confused at all. |
| 17:19.59 | forcer | Ok. |
| 17:20.07 | mjt | heh |
| 17:21.09 | jhutchin1 | I will admit to confusion over CyrusSSL, but I believe that's a deliberate design feature. |
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| 17:22.01 | galex-713 | So…? |
| 17:22.10 | oiiijjoiiijjoiii | If I have the pid number how do I view a background process that's running in terminal? |
| 17:22.10 | tremon | galex-713: as an aside, there's an issue bundling newer versions of gnutls for debian (gplv3 vs v2-only packages). That's why debian is still shipping gnutls from 2010, and why most packages link against openssl |
| 17:22.22 | jelly-home | galex-713: what about NSS and PolarSSL |
| 17:22.23 | galex-713 | Ahhhhhh |
| 17:22.36 | abrotman | galex-713: which package in particular? |
| 17:22.37 | galex-713 | That’s why there are so old version |
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| 17:22.59 | galex-713 | abrotman: cyrus-.*, exim, postfix, and others |
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| 17:23.10 | mjt | galex-713: curious, but _why_ do you care which crypto library is actually used by packages you're using? |
| 17:23.11 | abrotman | thought postfix linked to gnutls ? |
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| 17:23.31 | abrotman | well, apparently not |
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| 17:23.43 | galex-713 | prosody also |
| 17:23.56 | jelly-home | postfix does not have working gnutls support, afair |
| 17:24.00 | galex-713 | Ah |
| 17:24.04 | galex-713 | And Exim? |
| 17:24.11 | jelly-home | does not care about exim |
| 17:24.45 | abrotman | galex-713: apt-cache show exim4-base |
| 17:25.14 | jelly-home | judd: depends exim4-base |
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| 17:25.16 | judd | Package exim4-base in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libdb5.1, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, cron | fcron, exim4-config (>= 4.30) | exim4-config-2, adduser, netbase, lsb-base (>= 3.0-6). |
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| 17:25.24 | galex-713 | mjt: oh, apart stupid^Wunsufficient reasons like the licence or the GNU Coding Standards, I saw GnuTLS implemented RFC6091 |
| 17:25.34 | abrotman | judd: suggests exim4-base |
| 17:25.35 | judd | Package exim4-base in wheezy/i386 -- suggests: mail-reader, eximon4, exim4-doc-html | exim4-doc-info, gnutls-bin | openssl, file, spf-tools-perl, swaks. |
| 17:25.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | oiiijjoiiijjoiii, generally, you don't... there's retty, though |
| 17:25.43 | abrotman | which is what I was talking about |
| 17:25.45 | jelly-home | wha |
| 17:25.50 | jelly-home | both? |
| 17:25.54 | abrotman | see the | |
| 17:26.00 | galex-713 | ok |
| 17:26.01 | galex-713 | cool |
| 17:26.02 | abrotman | it supports both, but you only need one |
| 17:26.03 | oiiijjoiiijjoiii | well i have wget running as a background process |
| 17:26.07 | oiiijjoiiijjoiii | i can just view a pid? |
| 17:26.09 | oiiijjoiiijjoiii | -cant |
| 17:26.10 | abrotman | (and still only suggests) |
| 17:26.17 | galex-713 | I though switch to exim one day… |
| 17:26.23 | jhutchin1 | oiiijjoiiijjoiii: Not quite. |
| 17:26.28 | abrotman | thinks that seems an overreaction .. |
| 17:26.29 | oiiijjoiiijjoiii | =\ |
| 17:26.35 | galex-713 | Postfix is simpler to configure, but exim is the default and seem to support more things |
| 17:26.37 | jelly-home | I'm not sure that suggests is for what its listener supports |
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| 17:26.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's not writing to a terminal, you can only see what it's not writing to a terminal... |
| 17:26.47 | jhutchin1 | oiiijjoiiijjoiii: You might be able to foreground it, or you could launch it in something detatchable like screen. |
| 17:26.53 | jelly-home | oiiijjoiiijjoiii: pgrep wget |
| 17:26.57 | galex-713 | Oh, and I would like to know… for what reasons Exim is the Debian default SMTP server? |
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| 17:27.13 | abrotman | galex-713: someone had to choose a default |
| 17:27.15 | mjt | jelly-home: that suggests is for making certs - it suggests the binary which can produce certs, so either gnutls or openssl |
| 17:27.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchin1, as I said, there's retty... but that doesn't help if the program's not writing anything |
| 17:27.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell galex-713 about why exim |
| 17:27.25 | jhutchin1 | galex-713: Because you have to choose something and exim is what the people willing to do the work chose. |
| 17:27.33 | oiiijjoiiijjoiii | that's weird you can't view any pids activity via command |
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| 17:27.36 | abrotman | galex-713: in 1997, there weren't many options |
| 17:27.44 | galex-713 | Ah ok |
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| 17:27.55 | jelly-home | oiiijjoiiijjoiii: wget killed with HUP signal will not die; instead, it will redirect output to a file, detach from any terminal and continue running |
| 17:27.56 | abrotman | Postfix was new, Qmail was Qmail, fuck sendmail .. get it ? |
| 17:27.57 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.05 | galex-713 | :) |
| 17:28.19 | mjt | postfix was vmailer at that timke |
| 17:28.20 | mjt | time |
| 17:28.24 | abrotman | eh, no? |
| 17:28.34 | jelly-home | qmail was non-free |
| 17:28.45 | abrotman | plus it's still qmail |
| 17:28.54 | jelly-home | that's not necessarily a bad thing |
| 17:29.10 | abrotman | mjt: vmailer wasn't ever OSS AFAIK? |
| 17:29.21 | mjt | it is a different vmailer ;) |
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| 17:29.29 | jelly-home | people still use qmail, just with the smtp listener replaced with eg. qpsmtpd |
| 17:29.37 | mjt | in early days (before 1998) postfix was named 'vmailer' |
| 17:29.52 | mjt | before the name `postfix' has been thoosen |
| 17:30.00 | ChibaPet | My last gig still uses straight qmail. Someone will pwn them someday and they'll go out of business. |
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| 17:30.15 | abrotman | mjt: Right, but I didn't think it was open source, just a research project from IBM. Regardless, postfix was still new in 1997 |
| 17:30.35 | jhutchin1 | sendmail still rules. |
| 17:30.39 | jelly-home | boo |
| 17:30.44 | jelly-home | hiss! |
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| 17:31.02 | ompaul | jelly-home: s/still rules/still has a huge rules file/g |
| 17:31.05 | ompaul | woops |
| 17:31.08 | abrotman | Another mark against him .. |
| 17:31.12 | jhutchin1 | Heh. |
| 17:31.23 | forcer | I worked at a company once that used qmail because it's pronouned "kuh-mail" in German, "kuh" means "cow", and the boss liked cows. No kidding, that was the entirety of the reason. |
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| 17:31.49 | ChibaPet | That's a better reason for using it than any other I've encountered. |
| 17:31.55 | MO_Handes | I use my debian vps to upload files to my ftp. I want a ftp client that can resume broken downloads. I'm currently using midnight commander (mc) but it uploads the whole file again if it fails. any suggestions? |
| 17:31.56 | forcer | ... point. |
| 17:31.56 | jhutchin1 | forcer: That's as good a reason for picking a particular MTA as I've evere seen. |
| 17:31.59 | centrx | Better than using a plugin for AOL Instant Messenger as the mail server |
| 17:32.05 | mjt | first postfix beta has been released in feb-1999. That's when the name "postfix" has been introduced for the first time |
| 17:32.20 | ompaul | MO_Handes: use rsync if you want to resume |
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| 17:33.04 | galex-713 | Isn’t postfix easier to configure than exim? |
| 17:33.05 | jhutchin1 | MO_Handes: ftp is not designed to be resumable. Both the server and the client have to support the required features, and since ftp is obsolete and deprecated nobody's working to add features to it. |
| 17:33.14 | jhutchin1 | MO_Handes: Filezilla might be able to do it. |
| 17:33.23 | galex-713 | What does Exim do better than Postfix? |
| 17:33.28 | jelly-home | MO_Handes: lftp (but rsync is a better idea if you can avoid ftp at all) |
| 17:33.29 | jhutchin1 | MO_Handes: rsync does it very well over ssh. |
| 17:33.49 | ompaul | galex-713: that is a matter of personal opinion, you weren't there you could file a bug if you want a change |
| 17:34.06 | jhutchin1 | galex-713: IME postfix, exim, and sendmail are all equally difficult to configure CORRECTLY if you don't know how to configure them yet. |
| 17:34.25 | forcer | galex-713: I think you misunderstand. The reason is not "exim is better than postfix", but "exim isn't too bad and switching wouldn't be worth the hassle". |
| 17:34.33 | galex-713 | Ok |
| 17:34.38 | jhutchin1 | galex-713: Being able to configure exim with dpkg makes it significantly easier. |
| 17:34.44 | galex-713 | yes |
| 17:34.44 | abrotman | galex-713: unless you really feel strongly about the openssl/gnutls thing .. |
| 17:34.45 | centrx | exim is smaller and simpler too I think |
| 17:34.46 | galex-713 | I think |
| 17:34.50 | abrotman | but IMO, postfix is easier |
| 17:34.55 | abrotman | (basic configurations anyway) |
| 17:34.59 | galex-713 | Ok |
| 17:35.24 | abrotman | and by basic, I mean, sasl and that sort of thing, maildir |
| 17:35.30 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 17:35.32 | galex-713 | Oh, and about the GnuTLS v3/v2-only, can’t Debian package two versions at same time? |
| 17:35.36 | abrotman | judd: info postfix-tls |
| 17:35.37 | judd | No package named 'postfix-tls' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 17:35.39 | abrotman | hrm |
| 17:35.56 | abrotman | oh, it used to exist, long disappeared |
| 17:36.09 | mjt | it is integrated into main postfix long ago |
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| 17:36.29 | abrotman | mjt: it doesn't depend on gnutls, just openssl |
| 17:36.38 | abrotman | judd: depends postfix |
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| 17:36.39 | judd | Package postfix in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.11), libdb5.1, libsasl2-2 (>= 2.1.24), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.5.9), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, netbase, adduser (>= 3.48), dpkg (>= 1.8.3), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), ssl-cert, cpio. |
| 17:36.46 | mjt | libssl1.0.0 |
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| 17:37.12 | jeeves_moss | is there a way to specify the AD server with Likewise-open? |
| 17:37.32 | abrotman | mjt: he was looking for gnutls .. i thought postfix-tls might have bveen a gnutls variant instead of using hte openssl tls |
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| 17:37.55 | mjt | han, postfix doesn't support gnutls |
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| 17:38.23 | abrotman | mjt: we've covered that :) |
| 17:38.30 | abrotman | I thought it might have in the past |
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| 17:40.37 | sarkis_ | is reprepro still the favorite out there for running your own repos |
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| 17:42.48 | abrotman | sarkis_: yes |
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| 17:51.07 | sarkis_ | is it still somewhat difficult to have multiple versions of a package available in the repos of reperepro? |
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| 17:59.22 | TuomasT | How do I enable a service? |
| 17:59.52 | jordanm | TuomasT: what service? |
| 17:59.58 | TuomasT | dnsmasq |
| 18:00.37 | jordanm | TuomasT: packages are enabled on boot by default, with some exception. Some come disabled via a config file in /etc/default |
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| 18:01.19 | jordanm | chkconfig dnsmasq on # would enable the init script on boot if it wasn't already |
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| 18:01.42 | jhutchin1 | TuomasT: Specific details on setting things up in Debian are usually in /usr/share/doc/<package/README.Debian(.gz) |
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| 18:02.00 | _FBi | can I get some help with IPv6 ? |
| 18:02.14 | abrotman | just ask |
| 18:02.21 | jhutchin1 | _FBi: Need a bigger hammer? |
| 18:02.24 | petn-randall | _FBi: Usually it's best if you just shoot with your question. As long it's Debian-related ... |
| 18:02.46 | ChibaPet | _FBi: Can we help you with IPv6? |
| 18:03.01 | petn-randall | thinks _FBi got the hint. |
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| 18:03.17 | _FBi | I'll take the hammer, at the moment |
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| 18:04.04 | abrotman | is still waiting for an actual question |
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| 18:06.08 | _FBi | one sec, sorry. have my son for a few |
| 18:06.43 | _FBi | debian not have a wgetpaste ? |
| 18:07.38 | abrotman | pastebinit |
| 18:07.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell _FBi about pastewithoutx |
| 18:08.48 | ghost75_ | how many partitions should be created for uefi ? |
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| 18:13.31 | jordanm | ghost75_: the same you would normally have +1 efi boot partition (if you don't already have one) |
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| 18:15.19 | ghost75_ | efi includes /boot right? |
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| 18:18.26 | _FBi | http://paste.debian.net/78476/ |
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| 18:18.58 | jhutchin1 | !efi |
| 18:18.58 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 18:23.24 | abrotman | _FBi: and what about it ? |
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| 18:23.50 | _FBi | abrotman, where did I go wrong? |
| 18:23.59 | abrotman | what doesn't work? |
| 18:24.33 | _FBi | ping6 ipv6.google.com no workie |
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| 18:25.26 | _FBi | network unreachable |
| 18:28.01 | abrotman | _FBi: did you look at the output if /sbin/ifconfig -a ? |
| 18:28.47 | _FBi | I have not -- one sec |
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| 18:29.38 | debuser3894 | anyone famliar with using debian as dom0 in a xen setup |
| 18:29.51 | _FBi | yea, there's an inet6 there, but still no getting out |
| 18:30.07 | abrotman | are you going to share it with us? :) |
| 18:30.19 | abrotman | can you ping your gateway? |
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| 18:30.30 | _FBi | good idea I'll try it |
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| 18:31.24 | dcslv | airport captive portals are such a joke |
| 18:31.47 | abrotman | dcslv: Wrong channel ? |
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| 18:32.24 | dcslv | no, not looking for anything. Just here to hang out |
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| 18:32.50 | dcslv | killing time |
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| 18:33.28 | dcslv | i just pwoned a captive portal running coovachilli |
| 18:34.06 | abrotman | dcslv: do you need help with Debian? |
| 18:34.29 | _FBi | http://paste.debian.net/78479/ |
| 18:35.12 | abrotman | _FBi: those addresses don't sseem to match ? |
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| 18:35.31 | _FBi | nor can I ping the gateway |
| 18:35.52 | dcslv | what does arp -a say? |
| 18:36.01 | dcslv | do you have an incomplete entry for .1? |
| 18:36.09 | abrotman | dcslv: Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 18:36.33 | abrotman | dcslv: _FBi is having a problem with IPv6, so askin ghim about ".1" (whatever that's supposed to be), won't help |
| 18:36.39 | dcslv | dude, chill out. I'm here to help |
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| 18:36.45 | mtn | heh |
| 18:36.47 | dcslv | im killing time in this channel |
| 18:36.52 | jvelasquez_ | I did a dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie, and I've messed up my task-gnome-desktop somehow. my X client's won't startup, just one big error in the middle of screen. How could I Reinstall debian jessie, and all related packages, forcing a default package set, without touching /home, /opt, or /var ? |
| 18:36.53 | abrotman | dcslv: you don't even know what you're helping .. |
| 18:36.54 | centrx | Killing is wrong |
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| 18:37.14 | dcslv | abrotman don't worry about me |
| 18:37.16 | dcslv | d00d |
| 18:37.16 | centrx | jvelasquez_, I doubt you need to reinstall... |
| 18:37.35 | abrotman | _FBi: ip -6 addr 2a00:d880:3:1::8d54:8cb5/64 dev eth0 |
| 18:37.40 | jelly-home | dcslv: #defocus is a better place to kill time; this channel is 100% tech support, 100% of the time |
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| 18:37.49 | reavengrey | Hey, what's the thing you use to create a container in debian? I'd like to create one so I can build WINE from source |
| 18:37.54 | abrotman | _FBi: does it show up in /sbin/ifconfig -a after that ? |
| 18:37.59 | reavengrey | Something related to chroot |
| 18:38.05 | abrotman | reavengrey: schroot? cowbuilder? |
| 18:38.17 | reavengrey | Kk, thanks, I'll look into those |
| 18:38.21 | abrotman | reavengrey: oh, debootstreap |
| 18:38.22 | jvelasquez_ | centrx, I just spent 3 hours reinstalling all the X11, Xsession, gnome, kde, xclient, packages I could think of, but it still just crashes. :| what can I do? |
| 18:38.25 | abrotman | debootstrap |
| 18:38.28 | reavengrey | R |
| 18:38.33 | reavengrey | Right, that's the name |
| 18:38.33 | centrx | jvelasquez_, What is the error message? |
| 18:39.08 | mtn | jvelasquez_: try it with a new user and see if it is just a config problem. |
| 18:39.13 | _FBi | abortman, "IP ADDRESS" is unknown command (ip addres is ipv6 address) |
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| 18:39.28 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:39.33 | Dagger | _FBi: he meant `ip addr add 2a00:d880:3:1::8d54:8cb5/64 dev eth0` |
| 18:39.36 | abrotman | _FBi: ip -6 addr add 2a00:d880:3:1::8d54:8cb5/64 dev eth0 |
| 18:39.37 | abrotman | sorry |
| 18:39.44 | jvelasquez_ | centrx, crap. I can't remember. it was usless though. something like "desktop could not start, please logout." |
| 18:39.45 | Dagger | no need for the -6 |
| 18:39.47 | _FBi | my bad |
| 18:39.53 | abrotman | Dagger: won't hurt? |
| 18:40.00 | centrx | jvelasquez_, Look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, also try what mtn said |
| 18:40.07 | Dagger | it'll hurt your keyboard :p |
| 18:40.16 | _FBi | abrotman, yes, it added it |
| 18:40.22 | abrotman | _FBi: gateway pingable now ? |
| 18:40.35 | _FBi | yup... |
| 18:40.49 | steve356 | Hello everyone. I am on Sid and I have about 50+ lines looking like this in dmesg. [54654.077214] type=1400 audit(1390749953.292:313): apparmor="ALLOWED" operation="open" parent=1647 profile="/usr/sbin/smbd" name="/usr/share/p11-kit/modules/p11-kit-trust.module" pid=10539 comm="smbd" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=0 |
| 18:41.14 | steve356 | I was wondering if that is normal |
| 18:41.22 | abrotman | _FBi: AFAIK, you sohuld able to add the IPv6 from the interfaces file. |
| 18:41.24 | mtn | steve356: /topic |
| 18:41.28 | _FBi | google isnt', but it's a step in the right direction |
| 18:41.35 | jvelasquez_ | centrx, I've been looking in .Xsession-errors and Xorg.0.log, I've got errors about no accel, missing GLX module and some deep gnome library looking errors. |
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| 18:42.03 | steve356 | mtn, thanks |
| 18:42.08 | mtn | steve356: yw |
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| 18:42.33 | jvelasquez_ | centrx, mtn, ok. new user didn't work either. Error is "Ohh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurrec and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again." |
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| 18:42.50 | mtn | jvelasquez_: then looks like video drivers |
| 18:43.13 | _FBi | abrotman, thanks for your help. I'll continue this later. family life... |
| 18:43.31 | abrotman | _FBi: Be easier if you'd just teach the kid how to configure this ;) |
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| 18:44.39 | jvelasquez_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.41 | Dagger | _FBi: your /e/n/i looked fine to me... just the config hadn't been loaded for whatever reason |
| 18:44.42 | _FBi | abrotman, he's zero -- I'm sure he's already ahead of me |
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| 18:45.15 | Dagger | (`ifdown eth0; ifup eth0` might work, or rebooting. unless there's an error in the config that I haven't noticed) |
| 18:45.25 | reavengrey | It seems like debootstrap is going to download all the packages it needs manually -- isn't there a way to make it use the packages it has cached on my system? |
| 18:45.32 | reavengrey | https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap <-- following this |
| 18:45.45 | _FBi | Dagger, I was trying with /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:45.54 | abrotman | Dagger: I didn't see one ither, but I had assumed he'd done that already |
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| 18:46.03 | abrotman | _FBi: that's not sufficient AFAIR |
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| 18:46.52 | abrotman | In fact, I think it now tells you it's deprecated |
| 18:46.55 | foo | I am having e-mail marked as spam by gmail. I have spf records set up, not blacklisted anywhere, not sure what else to do/test. Any tips? Nothing in mail logs. |
| 18:47.59 | abrotman | foo: It's likely your content then. Do you have a signature in your messages? |
| 18:48.23 | abrotman | (or ask Gmail) |
| 18:48.51 | foo | abrotman: Define "signature" - I may be missing something here. (I'm imaging it's more than "- My name" :)) |
| 18:49.30 | abrotman | foo: which it could be .. |
| 18:50.20 | foo | abrotman: Oh, it just says :: Sent from Appname |
| 18:50.48 | abrotman | doesn't see how this is related to Debian anyway .. |
| 18:50.53 | socomm | foo: contact google support |
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| 18:51.29 | socomm | foo: also try emailing a hotmail/yahoo account, see if you get similar classification |
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| 18:51.52 | foo | socomm: good idea on e-mailing hotmail/yahoo. Is google responsive with this sort of thing? Interesting |
| 18:52.01 | socomm | foo: might be worth creating a secondary gmail account to see if its not just your user filter that sends your email to spam. |
| 18:52.02 | debuser3894 | how do i use debian backports to use 3.13 kernel support for my hardware in 3.2? |
| 18:52.02 | jvelasquez_ | do i have to do anything special to get support for Intel Q965 itegrated display controller ? |
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| 18:52.24 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 18:52.25 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.8-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.6-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 18:52.25 | socomm | foo: I'm not sure, I've never used their support, but it'd be worth a try. |
| 18:52.35 | abrotman | debuser3894: backports has a .12 |
| 18:52.56 | abrotman | dpkg: tell debuser3894 about backports |
| 18:53.27 | abrotman | dpkg: tell debuser3894 about wheezy-backports |
| 18:53.51 | foo | socomm: Yeah, I have tried from 2 other gmail accounts. Will try another since things have been changing since testing these, thank you! |
| 18:54.02 | nabblet | hi, when playing media (any music/video format, any player) i get short (less than one second) loops now and then. it is very disturbing. my system does not show any sign of stress (have intel atom cpu @ 2x1.6GHz and 2 GB RAM) and i can't find any error messages. i increades VLCs caching but the problem persits. what should i check next. |
| 18:54.31 | abrotman | still? |
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| 18:58.11 | debuser3894 | abrotman: oh so i can run 3.12 ? |
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| 18:58.21 | debuser3894 | i just spent time building 3.12 manually and dpkg-ing it |
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| 18:58.54 | debuser3894 | i see |
| 18:59.00 | debuser3894 | so my MAIN reason for needing newer kernel support |
| 18:59.00 | debuser3894 | is |
| 18:59.05 | debuser3894 | xen in debian is 3.2 |
| 18:59.10 | debuser3894 | i need 3.12 to support my hardware |
| 18:59.11 | berarma | I want to create an rsync action with ninjahelper but there's no option, it's Wheezy, i thought it would be possible. Maybe my fault? |
| 18:59.12 | debuser3894 | what do i do |
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| 18:59.38 | abrotman | !enter |
| 18:59.38 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:59.47 | debuser3894 | noted |
| 19:00.01 | socomm | abrotman: you beat me to the punch |
| 19:00.03 | debuser3894 | again. xen in debian is 3.2 i need 3.12 for my hardware. what can i do |
| 19:00.17 | socomm | debuser3894: migrate to KVM |
| 19:01.32 | debuser3894 | socomm: ie use KVM instead of xen? |
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| 19:02.54 | jvelasquez_ | I've got debian running without X on my machine. any way I can reinstall Debian jessie, without having to burn a CD? |
| 19:03.38 | jvelasquez_ | can I point grub right to the .iso image in /home ? |
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| 19:04.37 | debuser3894 | socomm: ill take that as a debian cannot do what i need to do |
| 19:04.38 | debuser3894 | thanks |
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| 19:05.51 | abrotman | tahnk goodness |
| 19:05.58 | mjt | judd: versions xen-tools |
| 19:06.00 | judd | Package: xen-tools on i386 -- squeeze: 4.2-1; wheezy: 4.3.1-1; jessie: 4.4-1; sid: 4.4-1 |
| 19:06.13 | mjt | 3.2? |
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| 19:08.01 | mjt | ahh. 3.2 is the kernel version. |
| 19:08.07 | mjt | judd: versions xen-linux-system-amd64 |
| 19:08.08 | judd | Package: xen-linux-system-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46 |
| 19:08.42 | mjt | why doesn't judd show wheezy-backports? 3.12+55~bpo70+1 |
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| 19:11.34 | mjt | ..because it looks at i386 not amd64 |
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| 19:15.23 | nabblet | hi, when playing media (any music/video format, any player) i get short (less than one second) loops now and then. it is very disturbing. my system does not show any sign of stress (have intel atom cpu @ 2x1.6GHz and 2 GB RAM) and i can't find any error messages. i increades VLCs caching but the problem persits. what should i check next? |
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| 19:15.57 | centrx | nabblet, you mean freezes instead of loops? |
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| 19:17.01 | nabblet | centrx: no, loops |
| 19:17.23 | abrotman | nabblet: what is uname -a ? |
| 19:17.40 | nabblet | Linux box 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:17.55 | abrotman | nabblet: probably should try installing the kernel from backports |
| 19:18.03 | nabblet | centrx: when playing a video, soudn and inmages loop |
| 19:18.19 | nabblet | abrotman: i was thinking about changing over to testing anyway |
| 19:18.25 | abrotman | that's not what I said |
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| 19:19.42 | nabblet | abrotman: i understood. but see, i was thinking about backporting icedove, iceweasle, now the kernel, etc. etc. - why not go to testing straight away? (serious question) |
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| 19:22.25 | nabblet | abrotman: what will be (in practice) the difference between using testing and using stable with lots of backports? |
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| 19:24.57 | centrx | nabblet, Testing might be less stable and is not watched by the security team (not sure if backports are either though) |
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| 19:25.31 | centrx | nabblet, I have not a problem with testing in many years though |
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| 19:26.07 | abrotman | nabblet: many many things .. try the kernel from backports first |
| 19:26.22 | arthurfiggis | centrx: i -think- backports are watched for security...at least when you go to the main page (http://backports.debian.org/), one of the first things they list is security advisories :) |
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| 19:27.16 | arthurfiggis | nabblet: i would strongly recommend trying the backports kernel as well, it's not very hard to install...aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64 in my case :) |
| 19:28.13 | arthurfiggis | nabblet: although...is the choppy audio/video only in vlc, or in pretty much everything you use? if it's the former you might want to go into the audio backend settings and try changing it from default |
| 19:28.13 | nabblet | abrotman: ok, i will go for the backports kernel (not now, i'm on 64kbps UMTS internet) |
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| 19:28.33 | nabblet | arthurfiggis: i experience it with mplayer too |
| 19:28.38 | arthurfiggis | i had to change mine from the default to alsa, because using anything else i get static on my speakers...who knows why :P |
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| 19:29.32 | arthurfiggis | nabblet: ahh, ok...well, depending on what you're trying to play it could be a hardware limitation, i had a similarly equipped netbook and hd video was just plain choppy on it...but failing that the backports kernel might have better hardware support for your particular system! |
| 19:29.49 | galex-713 | Is there a way to find a song title by analysing acousting fingerprint of an internet radio stream? |
| 19:30.01 | nabblet | arthurfiggis: no it even happens with mp3 |
| 19:30.09 | galex-713 | I mean, an actual software/oneliner-command to do it |
| 19:30.18 | arthurfiggis | nabblet: hmm, that is odd...what desktop are you using, gnome or kde? or something else? |
| 19:30.31 | nabblet | arthurfiggis: also it worked fine before with other linux version. |
| 19:30.35 | nabblet | arthurfiggis: now i use fluxbox |
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| 19:30.51 | nabblet | arthurfiggis: no the DE taking too much resource can't be it ;) |
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| 19:31.21 | abrotman | can we try the new kernel, then resume guessing? :) |
| 19:31.37 | arthurfiggis | nabblet: ahh, ok...i only ever used fluxbox once or twice so i don't know much about it, but it can't be that by the sounds of it :) hmm...yeah, guessing is all i could do at this point |
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| 19:32.19 | asturel | hi, is the rt kernel supports 1000hz by default? |
| 19:32.24 | nabblet | arthurfiggis: it's appreciated. i am trying your suggestion about changin vlc's backends. audio will be set for ALSA, what sould i pick for vide? |
| 19:33.01 | arthurfiggis | nabblet: the video i tend to leave at the default and not mess around with, personally...alsa -seems- to work the best in my case, i'm using the backported 3.12 kernel in wheezy myself |
| 19:33.03 | asturel | i want CONFIG_HZ_1000 which isnt in the default kernel |
| 19:33.33 | nabblet | abrotman: thank you for your backport kernel hint - i will try it asap. if the problem still persists, what would you recommend next? (I'm asking because i want to have some kind of plan when i have "normal" internet again, and i'm already out of ideas) |
| 19:33.44 | nabblet | arthurfiggis: ok |
| 19:33.46 | abrotman | nabblet: we'll worry about it then .. |
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| 19:34.17 | abrotman | nabblet: given the age of your hardware, and ythe problem you're describing, the newer kernel has a decent chance of resolving this |
| 19:35.12 | nabblet | abrotman: ok, accepted. also, other OSes (Ubuntu) worked without those hickups... |
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| 19:35.32 | asturel | or could i easily someshow recompile the debian kernel with changed config setting? |
| 19:35.41 | nabblet | abrotman: that reminds me i have a debian based mint somewhere on a usb-stick... I could try that! |
| 19:35.59 | asturel | https://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage ? |
| 19:36.01 | nabblet | just to see what kernel version it has and if the error persists with it |
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| 19:37.13 | berarma | nabblet: since it worked in Ubuntu, have you installed Nvidia propietary drivers? |
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| 19:38.18 | nabblet | berarma: i don't have an nvidia cards - it's a intel card and i there is nothing to complain about so far |
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| 19:38.46 | arthurfiggis | nabblet: well, one major difference between ubuntu, mint and debian is that the current, stable release of ubuntu is using something like a 3.11 kernel...wheezy uses 3.2.x by default, but again you can install 3.12 from backports :) |
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| 19:39.01 | berarma | I remember seeing your model having an Nvidia card, sorry |
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| 19:39.22 | nabblet | abrotman: arthurfiggis centrx berarma thank you for your concern and advice. i'll read about and try the backports asap |
| 19:39.31 | nabblet | berarma: no problem :) |
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| 19:40.32 | arthurfiggis | nabblet: no problem! hopefully that will work, i switched to 3.12 just to test it out and apart from the staticky sound in vlc thing (which was easily fixed), it runs very smoothly...lower latency too, which is nice now that i have a midi keyboard :) |
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| 19:42.31 | nabblet | arthurfiggis: i tried setting the audio output to ALSA - problem persists. seems like the easiest and most promising think to do is the kernel backport |
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| 19:43.14 | arthurfiggis | nabblet: oh yeah, the alsa setting for vlc was more to solve the particular issue i had with static on the speakers...in your case it could be any number of things, but i think your idea would be the best thing to try first :) |
| 19:43.40 | arthurfiggis | at worst you can still boot the old kernel and get back to figure out a new idea! |
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| 19:45.47 | nabblet | arthurfiggis: if i had one :P |
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| 19:46.39 | abrotman | nabblet: upgrade the kernel please .. |
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| 19:53.42 | arthurfiggis | nabblet: as others have mentioned the first thing to try would be the kernel change...i know in my case, from looking at dmesg recently, 3.12 is (automatically) correcting an IRQ issue with my own sound chip that was causing stuttering :) hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj. |
| 19:54.50 | arthurfiggis | it it still happens with the wheezy-backports kernel, then you'll at least have crossed the "is it the kernel difference between x and debian" off the list |
| 19:55.00 | arthurfiggis | (sort of :) ) |
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| 19:56.12 | nabblet | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.21 | nabblet | [59985.305979] hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj. |
| 19:56.24 | nabblet | arthurfiggis: ^ |
| 19:57.49 | nabblet | arthurfiggis: i'll see if i can manually set it to test your hint |
| 19:58.37 | arthurfiggis | nabblet: oh i didn't have to set anything there, i was just using it as an example that the sound support for my chip had to have changed between 3.2 and 3.12 :) as i didn't get that message in 3.2 |
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| 19:59.18 | arthurfiggis | (so it may have changed for yours too, but...only one way to find out :) ) |
| 20:00.49 | abrotman | Please try the new kernel ... |
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| 20:01.58 | nabblet | abrotman: yes :) i was just looking a bit left and right and see if i could learn something, while i'm at it. |
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| 20:02.28 | indes | my TV overscans like mad! :( |
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| 20:03.25 | nabblet | abrotman: don't think i'm ignoring your advice or ranking it last in my attempts. i's #1 thing to do as soon as i have normal internet again |
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| 20:04.20 | nabblet | arthurfiggis: abrotman have to go. thank you two for your time and effort! |
| 20:05.47 | arthurfiggis | nabblet: oh no problem, hopefully it will be working okay :) |
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| 20:07.07 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | hello |
| 20:07.34 | pi2 | Hi, my netbook is suddenly not booting; it tries to go into grub, then 'file not found' flashes and the nothing. It's a five year old installation of debian, currently jessie. I've checked boot order in the bios. I wonder if I will have to reinstall debian |
| 20:07.40 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | does anyone have issues with grub loading? |
| 20:07.46 | abrotman | vague ... |
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| 20:08.41 | wols | pi2: probably have to reinstall grub |
| 20:09.18 | pi2 | wols: how, with a live image perhaps? |
| 20:09.36 | wols | yes |
| 20:09.39 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | i just started the computer after 3 months with no updates to grub or smth and i started getting "alloc magic is broken at 0x3ff31d10 |
| 20:09.59 | wols | basically either grub or a missing kernel file. both fixed with a livecd or bootable debian install medium, etc |
| 20:10.21 | wols | !tell pi2 about fixgrub |
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| 20:12.08 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | !tell AlBaTrOs-N00B about fixgrub |
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| 20:14.20 | pi2 | wols: thanks for the info, can I do that with a live ubuntu image for the purpose of repairing my debian system? ( I just happen to already have an ubuntu image, and it would save me using some precious bandwidth at the moment) thanks again, I will follow the instructions |
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| 20:17.12 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | ok but when i get the alloc magic error i tryied to boot from a usb stick |
| 20:17.24 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | but it keeps booting for a cd |
| 20:17.29 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | i have no cd drive :D |
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| 20:18.04 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | can i get to some kind of console from there? |
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| 20:25.57 | petn-randall | Hi AlBaTrOs-N00B, can you post us the actual full, unabridged error you get? |
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| 20:26.46 | abrotman | run away! |
| 20:27.20 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | that's all i get "alloc magic is broken at 0xXXXXXX press any key to reboot something like that |
| 20:27.22 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | nothing more |
| 20:27.32 | abrotman | CMOS battery? |
| 20:28.00 | val_erie_2 | I need to uninstall older version of oracle java jdk-7u45 (downloaded as tar.gz) and install a new one jdk-7u45. With this command: find / -name java I find many locations for java. Two of them are : /usr/lib/jvm/j2sdk1.7-oracle/jre/bin/java and /usr/lib/jvm/j2sdk1.7-oracle/bin/java. Do I just delete the java folders with rm command, rm -r j2sdk1.7-oracle? |
| 20:28.02 | petn-randall | AlBaTrOs-N00B: And this is not a BIOS error you get? |
| 20:28.19 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | if that's usefull, yes, the cmos got discharged while it wasn |
| 20:28.23 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | sn;t used |
| 20:28.37 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | and i got a message to restore default bios settings |
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| 20:29.02 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | i can't categorize the issue |
| 20:29.07 | petn-randall | val_erie_2: If you installed from the tar.gz you'll have to check the install script from your current installation. I personally don't use those because they spread their stuff all over the place. |
| 20:29.32 | abrotman | AlBaTrOs-N00B: and hwich version of Linux is this? |
| 20:29.44 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | after bios at the bottom of the screen welcome to grub and loading grup shows |
| 20:29.45 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | then this |
| 20:29.50 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | debian |
| 20:29.57 | abrotman | yes .. which one? |
| 20:30.14 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | can't remember if it is 7.1 /2/3 |
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| 20:30.41 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | certainly not 7.3 i see that's a recent release |
| 20:30.44 | abrotman | perhaps you sohuld use your phone, and take a picture and use picpaste.com |
| 20:30.45 | petn-randall | AlBaTrOs-N00B: Please don't use the enter key for punctuation, it makes it more difficult to follow you. |
| 20:32.11 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | let me check for the debian version from the iso i downloaded before, i still have it in the main computer |
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| 20:33.48 | asturel | is there diff between `apt-get install linux-source` apt-get source linux ? |
| 20:33.51 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | it's 7.2 i386 |
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| 20:34.10 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | i used dvd 1 to install the system |
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| 20:34.56 | petn-randall | asturel: 'apt-get install' will track actual updates to that. |
| 20:35.16 | val_erie_2 | petn-randall, I installed java-package, compiled it with fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-7u45-linux-x64.tar.gz and installed with dpkg -i oracle-j2sdk1.7_1.7.0+update45_amd64.deb. How do I check the install script from current installation? |
| 20:35.20 | asturel | but it gets the same kernel with debian patches? |
| 20:35.48 | asturel | so i could just apt-get source linux; cd linux*; make menuconfig; make deb-pkg ? then dpkg-i ? |
| 20:35.50 | petn-randall | asturel: Not sure, what does the description say? |
| 20:35.59 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | don't know if this might be usefull (maybe i didn't put the iso good on the stick) but when i boot from the stick either option i go (default/install/graphical install and so on) the cursor starts blinking and the system reboots |
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| 20:36.29 | asturel | well in http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html it mentions apt-get source linux, somewhere apt-get install |
| 20:36.46 | petn-randall | val_erie_2: Oh, you can natively make .deb out of it? Nice. Then it should be enough just to install the new .deb, and remove the old one if it doesn't get updated. |
| 20:37.04 | asturel | i just want preempt+1000hz kernel |
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| 20:38.08 | val_erie_2 | petn-randall, so how do I remove the old one? |
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| 20:39.34 | petn-randall | val_erie_2: 'dpkg -l oracle*' will list all packages that start with 'oracle'. You can then remove it with 'dpkg -P <packagename>'. |
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| 20:40.24 | petn-randall | asturel: The stock one comes with preempt and 250Hz, that's IMO good enough. |
| 20:40.51 | asturel | well mine isnt preempt.. |
| 20:41.06 | asturel | and i run hlds with 1000 tick |
| 20:41.20 | petn-randall | asturel: If you need real-time responses from the kernel, just install the linux-image-rt package. |
| 20:41.20 | asturel | Linux hlds 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:41.30 | val_erie_2 | petn-randall, dpkg -l oracle gives me dpkg -l oracle. Maybe package does not start with oracle |
| 20:41.31 | petn-randall | asturel: hlds? What is that? |
| 20:41.33 | asturel | but i checked the rt's config, its still 250hz |
| 20:41.41 | asturel | half life dedicated server |
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| 20:42.34 | bl4ckdu5t | What ps argument will show me the user that opened a process? |
| 20:42.38 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | any ideea how to restore my grub so i can retreive my old files at least? |
| 20:42.53 | babilen | bl4ckdu5t: man ps |
| 20:42.57 | asturel | but when started debian's def kernel being preempt? |
| 20:43.06 | asturel | or u talkin about rt ? |
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| 20:43.24 | petn-randall | asturel: Grab the source from kernel.org, and just do 'make deb-pkg' when you're finished configuring it. |
| 20:43.38 | asturel | it does the initrd and everything? |
| 20:43.47 | asturel | when i install it |
| 20:43.55 | asturel | like from apt-get install ? |
| 20:44.16 | asturel | i did make oldconfig from the current kernel and changed that 2 option |
| 20:44.43 | petn-randall | asturel: I highly doubt that it's worth the trouble. You'll have to maintain security updates manually, and it won't give you any noticeable speed improvement, if that's what you're after. |
| 20:45.08 | bl4ckdu5t | babilen: YOu know how boring man pages are |
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| 20:45.46 | asturel | petn-randall the problem is that the gameserver's fps is rly fluctoacting |
| 20:45.50 | petn-randall | bl4ckdu5t: We won't read it out for you. |
| 20:46.02 | bl4ckdu5t | I guess ps -Ao user|grep -i psname |
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| 20:46.28 | val_erie_2 | petn-randall, dpkg -l oracle gives me dpkg-query: no packages found matching oracle. So, I just rm -r j2sdk1.7-oracle. Hope it is enough to remove it? |
| 20:46.36 | petn-randall | asturel: more ticks won't help you with that issue. If it's due to CPU limit, it will only make it worse. |
| 20:46.47 | asturel | its not cpu limit imho |
| 20:46.56 | abrotman | val_erie_2: dpkg -l | grep oracle |
| 20:47.02 | petn-randall | asturel: You don't need to assume, it's easy to check :) |
| 20:47.06 | asturel | i thought its because its only 250hz, and i run it on 1000 fps ( reqs 1000hz?) |
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| 20:47.34 | petn-randall | asturel: 1000 FPS? WTF?! |
| 20:47.50 | asturel | ? |
| 20:47.58 | bl4ckdu5t | petn-randall: Thanks for being nice enough |
| 20:48.41 | petn-randall | asturel: You don't want the server to serve 1000 frame per second, or did I just misread that? |
| 20:48.55 | asturel | u didnt |
| 20:49.09 | asturel | top counter strike (1.6) servers runs @ 1000 fps |
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| 20:49.27 | petn-randall | asturel: Most game servers have a network tick of 30. |
| 20:49.39 | asturel | yeah i know |
| 20:49.44 | petn-randall | asturel: That would mean that it has to send 1000 packages a second to each client to process, right? |
| 20:49.53 | val_erie_2 | abrotman, dpkg -l | grep oracle shows ii oracle-j2sdk1.7 1.7.0+update45 amd64 Java(TM) JDK, Standard Edition, Oracle(TM). So do I just dpkg -P oracle-j2sdk1.7 |
| 20:50.05 | jelly-home | asturel: if you think your application works better with a HZ=1000 setting, you'll have to build your own kernel |
| 20:50.13 | asturel | well not rly |
| 20:50.23 | asturel | it just results 1ms latency in processing |
| 20:50.36 | jelly-home | the in-kernel HZ setting, however, does not equal fps |
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| 20:51.03 | petn-randall | asturel: Yes, but that doesn't make any sense. It's irrelevant how long they take, as long as they're finished until the next status update comes. |
| 20:51.04 | asturel | yeah but it limits the maximum ticks / s, isnt it? |
| 20:51.10 | petn-randall | asturel: no. |
| 20:51.21 | asturel | in 2.6 the fps limited at the config_hz value |
| 20:51.25 | asturel | in the old times :D |
| 20:51.34 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | asturel: i understand the fact that you want to inject some steriods in your linux but really, what type of machine do you want to run 1000fps for that server? |
| 20:51.48 | petn-randall | asturel: Ticks just say how long the time slices are for each process to run on the CPU :) |
| 20:52.06 | asturel | AlBaTrOs-N00B amd a10 |
| 20:52.23 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | the top cs 1.6 servers i had hosted in france where something like >i7 and >16gb ram at least |
| 20:52.28 | asturel | but if u type 1000fps hlds into google u will be suprise |
| 20:52.41 | asturel | AlBaTrOs-N00B i think amd a10 could hit the i7 :) |
| 20:52.55 | petn-randall | asturel: use 'atop' on the game server to check if you run into any ressource limits, best do that during a running game. |
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| 20:53.13 | asturel | AlBaTrOs-N00B and u didnt use 1000 fps ? |
| 20:53.23 | petn-randall | asturel: How are you measuring the server's "FPS"? |
| 20:53.42 | asturel | petn-randall there is a cli in the server 'stats' |
| 20:53.49 | petn-randall | meh |
| 20:53.55 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | didn't need to, i never had less than 20-30 players online with no lag |
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| 20:54.13 | anotherguy | high CPU tics is for virtualization, high frame rate is for altering playback speed; frames rendered at 60fps cannot be sped up without loss |
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| 20:54.41 | asturel | AlBaTrOs-N00B so what tickrate did u used on hlds? |
| 20:54.47 | petn-randall | anotherguy: We're not talking about rendered frames. |
| 20:54.51 | asturel | ang pingboost? |
| 20:54.53 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | and i'm just guessing here but i'm sure it's your home machine and bot something hosted |
| 20:55.14 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | not=bot :D |
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| 20:55.17 | asturel | its hosted |
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| 20:55.33 | asturel | not my home pc :D |
| 20:56.09 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | i didn't set such thing like 1000fps, for the love of God, just set the server right with not kernel altering or such and it should run like a dream |
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| 20:56.44 | val_erie_2 | abrotman, thanks, it is uninstalled now |
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| 20:56.55 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | and when i ran the server for the first 5 months i hosted it at home and a rusty old machine with 2gb ram and Pentium 3 |
| 20:57.12 | asturel | AlBaTrOs-N00B but well i said its an amd a10... |
| 20:57.31 | asturel | ohm sorry, a8 5600k* |
| 20:57.53 | asturel | 8g ram, only for few hlds servers |
| 20:58.04 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | asturel: my point exactly, why in the name of God would you supercharge it like a Dodge and boost that much fps? |
| 20:58.29 | anotherguy | petn-randall: oh, i see, you are talking about a game server. |
| 20:58.48 | asturel | https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5386-HMJI-5162 - WHY HIGHER FPS? |
| 20:59.06 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | i was hosting a minecraft server with 50 players online no lag or stuff on the machine i'm trying to fix now and all i did was to send more virtual memory to java |
| 20:59.11 | asturel | today players usually have 10ms latency |
| 20:59.14 | abrotman | !ot |
| 20:59.14 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 20:59.29 | asturel | even 100 fps adding it +10ms to it |
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| 20:59.55 | asturel | and it rly change the feel of playin |
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| 21:01.00 | Sylvester23 | xmnemonic: :D |
| 21:01.04 | Sylvester23 | xmnemonic: Nice host men! |
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| 21:01.28 | anotherguy | so 1000 fps = calculate the world 1millisecond at a time ... then each tic = what to do with that millisecond at each one of those tics. i would assume only the differences can served to the clients at those tics |
| 21:01.33 | Sylvester23 | xmnemonic: aero2 from poland! |
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| 21:02.23 | asturel | well i dont want to argue, i just want to try it out |
| 21:02.35 | asturel | so make deb-pkg and dpkg -i does the initramfs and everything else? |
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| 21:02.45 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 21:02.47 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | asturel: anyway it's not a bad thing you want to do but i personally don't consider it a necessity, but good luck with it |
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| 21:03.36 | asturel | AlBaTrOs-N00B well i running now with 1000 fps too, but it fluctuaten even with 0 player |
| 21:03.37 | xmnemonic | Sylvester23: :) |
| 21:04.31 | petn-randall | asturel: You still haven't checked with 'atop' yet ... |
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| 21:04.51 | asturel | petn-randall it was the same with one server, with 90% idle cpu :D |
| 21:04.55 | asturel | and i know the atop |
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| 21:05.36 | petn-randall | asturel: Well, what does the output say? |
| 21:05.44 | asturel | currently i compliing the kernel too :/ |
| 21:06.23 | asturel | CPU | sys 42% | user 325% | | irq 8% | | | idle 25% | wait 1% | | | steal 0% | guest 0% | | curf 3.60GHz | curscal 100% | |
| 21:07.01 | Sylvester23 | xmnemonic: You've got pings at aero2? |
| 21:07.11 | Sylvester23 | xmnemonic: How you've got pings at aero2? |
| 21:07.28 | vmx | hi. i've a midnight commander problem (but there doesn't seem to be an irc channel for it) hence i try it here. on my newly installed machine, the mc prompt somehow is "user@host$ dirname" instead of "user@host:dirname$ ". any ideas what might be wrong? |
| 21:07.30 | asturel | well, hlds is sensible even for 'switching' cores, so i manually assigned them with taskset, it improved the stability a bit but not rly |
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| 21:07.42 | wcs | hi there people |
| 21:07.47 | Sylvester23 | Hi! |
| 21:07.50 | petn-randall | asturel: How many CPUs do you have? |
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| 21:07.56 | asturel | 1 cpu with 4 cores |
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| 21:08.18 | asturel | model name : AMD A8-5600K APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics |
| 21:08.19 | petn-randall | asturel: I'm pretty sure you're hitting the CPU limit every now and then. |
| 21:08.24 | Sylvester23 | xmnemonic: I've got 200-300ms... |
| 21:08.39 | asturel | as i said im complying the kernel too :D |
| 21:09.02 | Sylvester23 | asturel: From vanillia source? :D |
| 21:09.14 | asturel | what apt-get source linux fetched |
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| 21:09.26 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | "alloc magic is broken at 0xXXXXXXXXXXX" can anyone help me? |
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| 21:09.33 | Sylvester23 | asturel: Ohh, from debian repo ;) |
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| 21:11.04 | asturel | anyway trying custom kernel wont hurt, will it ? |
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| 21:12.03 | Sylvester23 | asturel: Seriously? |
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| 21:12.10 | asturel | ?:D |
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| 21:12.41 | Sylvester23 | asturel: "anyway trying custom kernel wont hurt, will it" |
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| 21:12.49 | asturel | last time i intalled the -rt, then got kernel panic at boot, even with the stock kernel :/ turned out the memory was broken |
| 21:13.03 | asturel | but with the stock kernel it worked -- kinda |
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| 21:13.15 | asturel | but after i installed the -rt kernel it complety broke |
| 21:13.18 | asturel | break* |
| 21:13.21 | petn-randall | asturel: If you memory is faulty, no kernel in the world will fix that for you. |
| 21:13.43 | asturel | well first thing was that i ran memtest86, but it didnt foudn any error in 24h |
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| 21:13.53 | petn-randall | asturel: If you run a system with faulty RAM you'll sooner or later corrupt the filesystem, then you can kiss you data good-bye. |
| 21:13.54 | AlBaTrOs-N00B | good night/day to all |
| 21:14.05 | asturel | and with the stock kernel it worked good for days.. |
| 21:14.11 | petn-randall | AlBaTrOs-N00B: Try booting a live system, and reinstalling grub. |
| 21:14.40 | asturel | petn-randall after we replaced everything, the motherboard, cpu, hdd then finally the memory which solved it.. :D |
| 21:14.42 | petn-randall | asturel: "and with the stock kernel it worked good for days.." only means "I didn't see any visible corruption that made my system freeze", that is all. |
| 21:14.49 | asturel | yeah i know |
| 21:14.58 | asturel | just im a bit afraid of installing kernels after that.. :D |
| 21:15.29 | petn-randall | asturel: The one doesn't really have to do with the other. You can have hosed the system while opening an editor. |
| 21:15.31 | asturel | amd64-microcode firmware-linux* things |
| 21:15.37 | petn-randall | s/can/couldn/ |
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| 21:16.26 | kriskropd | I'm in a unique position of strictly ssh access to a machine I have sitting in front of me (xorg seg-faulted and left all my processes running while completely making my displays and mouse and keyboard unresponsive) - I'd like to copy the buffer of each urxvt process I have running to a text file named after the PID for that urxvt process - can anyone here help me with this idea of mine? |
| 21:16.48 | asturel | after i reinstalled the debian like 15 times remotelly .. i didnt rly have good experience :D |
| 21:17.28 | asturel | and since the memtest86+ doesnt detected memory errors.. the last component was the memory |
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| 21:18.38 | asturel | but it was fine until i didnt mess with kernels, then it never booted anymore.. kernel panic and smp oops everywhere.. |
| 21:18.45 | asturel | reinstalled -- worked fine :D |
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| 21:22.37 | vmx | nevermind it's a zsh (RPROMPT) + mc issue |
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| 21:26.41 | asturel | i run on only 2 cores the compile, but 1h already passed.. how long it will be more ?:/ |
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| 21:27.27 | petn-randall | asturel: How long is a piece of string? |
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| 21:27.52 | asturel | haha :P |
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| 21:30.21 | centrx | kriskropd, That is a wild idea |
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| 21:31.03 | nkuttler | asturel: the default kernel config has a gazillion modules enabled, basically all there are.. |
| 21:31.14 | asturel | i see there are lot of modules :D |
| 21:31.15 | nkuttler | asturel: if you want to build a custom kernel deactivate all the stuff you don't need |
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| 21:31.43 | asturel | the thing is i have no idea which isnt needed |
| 21:31.47 | nkuttler | asturel: a good start are all device drivers for external stuff.. after that it's pretty easy to end up with a non-bootable kernel |
| 21:32.02 | asturel | and i dont want to experience remotelly :D |
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| 21:32.44 | nkuttler | asturel: why do you want to build a kernel anyway? |
| 21:32.59 | asturel | i want 1000hz kernel :D |
| 21:33.14 | asturel | maybe its better to find a repo instead.. |
| 21:33.22 | centrx | Can you even hear that high of a frequency? |
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| 21:33.43 | kriskropd | centrx: do you think its possible? i should think it is but then I realized rxvt sessions are nto showing up in 'w' |
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| 21:34.02 | asturel | centrx how comes hear to that? |
| 21:34.05 | petn-randall | centrx: hahahaha |
| 21:35.54 | asturel | btw |
| 21:35.57 | asturel | should i worry about this? W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 21:36.05 | abrotman | Do you use that device? |
| 21:36.09 | asturel | i installed realtek frameworks then its gone on the next initramfs upgrade |
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| 21:36.50 | petn-randall | asturel: It should actually update the initramfs on post-install. |
| 21:37.01 | asturel | yeah it did |
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| 21:49.31 | _FBi | Q: when adding IPs for interfaces is this correct: |
| 21:49.40 | _FBi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.40 | _FBi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.50 | _FBi | or do I need to add something else |
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| 21:50.01 | Sylvester23 | _FBi: Haha, nice nick! |
| 21:50.11 | _FBi | thanks :D |
| 21:50.17 | Sylvester23 | Where is Stallman :D |
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| 21:51.49 | abrotman | Sylvester23: I think you want #debian-offtopic |
| 21:52.01 | abrotman | _FBi: have you tried ifdown/ifup using your interfaces file ? |
| 21:52.05 | _FBi | abrotman, I got ping6 working :d |
| 21:52.11 | _FBi | :D |
| 21:52.15 | _FBi | had to reboot |
| 21:52.26 | abrotman | and it all worked? |
| 21:52.39 | _FBi | ish |
| 21:52.50 | _FBi | I haven't added all my IPv6's yet |
| 21:53.08 | _FBi | wasn't sure if I needed to add in something else |
| 21:53.13 | abrotman | how many do you need? |
| 21:53.21 | _FBi | 15 more |
| 21:53.49 | abrotman | eh, why? |
| 21:54.09 | _FBi | first IPv6's, then the world |
| 21:55.17 | abrotman | _FBi: you can use a post-up script to bring htem all up if you want |
| 21:56.13 | _FBi | abrotman, see my paste. is that correct, or do I need to add some sort of sequencial?(sp?) |
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| 21:57.00 | abrotman | _FBi: shuld be fine |
| 21:57.12 | abrotman | _FBi: or you could just try it? :) |
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| 21:58.05 | _FBi | yea, I had to reboot :S Gah |
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| 22:00.27 | _FBi | I have people using my test server. I dislike rebooting and starting up all my shit haha. I might add it all, then forget about it. |
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| 22:00.40 | _FBi | I'll reboot one day, and be totally shocked everything is working |
| 22:00.58 | _FBi | forgetting I added the changes |
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| 22:01.38 | abrotman | it's a test server |
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| 22:02.21 | _FBi | yea, I know :) And I hope they understand |
| 22:02.30 | _FBi | but it's encrypted too |
| 22:02.38 | _FBi | so it's a pain to reboot the VPS |
| 22:02.47 | _FBi | your help has been greatly appreciated |
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| 22:21.27 | qkzoo1978 | So, not entirely sure what I did, but logged onto my PC and the network isn't working. Any thoughts? |
| 22:21.45 | qkzoo1978 | No network icon on my lxde desktop. |
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| 22:24.02 | _FBi | dhcpcd ? |
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| 22:30.50 | renatov | hello, I need help, please |
| 22:31.01 | renatov | I installed bumblebee in Debian Jessie (testing) but it's not working... whenever I try to run optirun I receibe this error |
| 22:31.10 | renatov | [ 2815.962795] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not load GPU driver |
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| 22:31.19 | renatov | [ 2815.962848] [ERROR]Aborting because fallback start is disabled. |
| 22:31.32 | renatov | could someone help me, please? |
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| 22:31.43 | _FBi | qkzoo1978, did you try dhcp ? |
| 22:32.19 | qkzoo1978 | _fbi not sure how. |
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| 22:33.57 | _FBi | qkzoo1978, I'd look at my ifconfig to see what's going on |
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| 22:34.45 | qkzoo1978 | How do I look at it? |
| 22:35.00 | _FBi | are you connected, but there's no icon |
| 22:35.08 | _FBi | or are you not connected at all? |
| 22:35.44 | qkzoo1978 | Not connected at all, no icon. |
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| 22:36.00 | _FBi | fyi, I'm no guru -- forewarned haha |
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| 22:36.26 | qkzoo1978 | Well, neither am I, lol |
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| 22:37.11 | _FBi | can you open a terminal? |
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| 22:39.17 | _FBi | terminal, console, whatever you call it :) |
| 22:39.26 | fnoyanisi | hi all. I'd like to have a startup screen like the one ubuntu provides, without the services notifications |
| 22:39.29 | fnoyanisi | is it possible? |
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| 22:40.18 | Jo-Con-El | Hi, is it alioth broken (again)? |
| 22:40.23 | jhutchins | fnoyanisi: Sure, just install the same packages Ubuntu uses and configure it the same way. |
| 22:40.27 | qkzoo1978 | Yes, I can open a terminal. |
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| 22:41.01 | fnoyanisi | jhutchins : which packags you mean? |
| 22:41.08 | fnoyanisi | this is what I am after actually? |
| 22:41.14 | jhutchins | fnoyanisi: I don't know, whatever does what you're trying to do. |
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| 22:41.27 | _FBi | qkzoo1978, open a terminal -- I think you need to be root or sudoer |
| 22:41.35 | jhutchins | fnoyanisi: We really don't know much about what Ubuntu does or how it does it. |
| 22:41.51 | qkzoo1978 | Oh, duh, ok, got it |
| 22:42.03 | jhutchins | fnoyanisi: Most of the same packages are available though, and what isn't you can build. |
| 22:42.25 | qkzoo1978 | It lists a bunch of stuff |
| 22:43.00 | fnoyanisi | jhutchins : I meant disabling service startup messages and displaying a logo or a picture instead |
| 22:43.00 | _FBi | how is your computer connected to the network? |
| 22:43.00 | jhutchins | fnoyanisi: You probably want the "quiet" parameter on your kernel options, |
| 22:43.05 | _FBi | @ qkzoo1978 |
| 22:43.19 | jhutchins | fnoyanisi: In grub, and you might want a boot splash package. |
| 22:43.22 | kriskropd | does anyone here happen to know about re-attaching to an xclient via vnc? |
| 22:43.47 | jhutchins | !plymouth |
| 22:43.47 | dpkg | Plymouth presents a graphic animation while the boot process occurs in the background. It is designed to be used with <DRM> modesetting drivers and replaces both <usplash> and <splashy>. Read /usr/share/doc/plymouth/README.Debian to enable. http://wiki.debian.org/plymouth http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth #plymouth on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:43.59 | fnoyanisi | jhutchins : I got it thanks! |
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| 22:44.26 | qkzoo1978 | I connect via wifi |
| 22:44.39 | _FBi | oh, I see |
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| 22:44.58 | _FBi | qkzoo1978, do you have a wifi manager? |
| 22:45.15 | jhutchins | _FBi: I think that's his issue, the applet disappeared. |
| 22:46.01 | qkzoo1978 | Apparently not, as I can't find one. |
| 22:46.17 | jhutchins | qkzoo1978: did you say xfce? |
| 22:46.32 | qkzoo1978 | No, using lxde. |
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| 22:47.38 | jhutchins | qkzoo1978: Still, might look at whatever manages the applets and see if it's available. Also see if network-manager is running. |
| 22:47.46 | qkzoo1978 | Can I reinstall the applet via my USB installation media? |
| 22:47.50 | jhutchins | qkzoo1978: ps ax | grep network |
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| 22:48.11 | jhutchins | qkzoo1978: If it was working, what changed? You shouldn't have to build and install things if it was working before, just turn it back on. |
| 22:48.42 | qkzoo1978 | 3181 pts/0. S+ 0:00 grep network |
| 22:48.53 | _FBi | maybe it didn't start? |
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| 22:49.42 | qkzoo1978 | Lol I dunno what happened, haven't used the PC for a few days, I must a messed something up last time I used it, just not sure what I did. |
| 22:50.37 | _FBi | I just added 15 IPs to my VPS, which I won't notice until I reboot -- which never happens |
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| 22:50.52 | _FBi | so it's will be a surprise to me when I reboot |
| 22:51.12 | _FBi | because I'm sure I'll forget what I've done |
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| 22:53.26 | abrotman | so reboot? |
| 22:53.43 | _FBi | nien! |
| 22:53.55 | _FBi | i really should... |
| 22:54.03 | cast | what happens if you try to use the IPs before reboot? |
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| 22:55.33 | abrotman | it shuld work |
| 22:55.37 | _FBi | true |
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| 23:00.11 | qkzoo1978 | I know what I did, I uninstalled Python, and it took a bunch a stuff with it, any of idea how to get it all back? |
| 23:00.27 | nkuttler | qkzoo1978: apt-get install python? |
| 23:01.15 | qkzoo1978 | No net lol |
| 23:01.36 | abrotman | use your backups? |
| 23:01.47 | nkuttler | qkzoo1978: or ls /var/cache/apt/archives/python* |
| 23:02.04 | nkuttler | or, you know, connect to the internets.. you're on irc after all.. |
| 23:02.09 | nkuttler | !tell qkzoo1978 about pdo |
| 23:02.39 | babilen | qkzoo1978: packages should still be in your package cache (unless you deliberately emptied it) |
| 23:02.56 | babilen | And why did you uninstall Python to begin with? |
| 23:02.57 | qkzoo1978 | Lol on irc on my phone :) |
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| 23:03.24 | qkzoo1978 | I dunno, I think I got it though |
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| 23:03.48 | babilen | Then tether with your phone if you really have to download something - but as mentioned: You should have those packages in your cache still and therefore shouldn't have to download them again. |
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| 23:05.45 | hassen | given that i use debian wheezy GNOME3,is it possible to install kde ? |
| 23:06.42 | mtn | hassen: sure |
| 23:07.35 | indieross | im trying to install the liguorix kernel and i keep getting this message: |
| 23:07.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell hassen -about install kde |
| 23:07.37 | indieross | Unable to find an initial ram disk that I know how to handle. |
| 23:07.51 | babilen | indieross: Well, ask them .. it is not a Debian package |
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| 23:07.53 | mtn | hassen: install kde-full |
| 23:08.07 | hassen | babilen: apt-get install kde didn't work though |
| 23:08.23 | mtn | loves "didn't work" |
| 23:08.31 | babilen | hassen: Did you read the message the bot sent you? |
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| 23:09.10 | hassen | babilen: missed it,reading |
| 23:09.23 | babilen | mtn: yeah, lazy programs chilling on the couch drinking tea and eating biscuits! |
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| 23:10.43 | hassen | mtn: implying you love me :) |
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| 23:11.08 | babilen | what?! |
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| 23:12.44 | jimmybrite | Does anyone know how I can add "Open with wine" dialog, I understand that the version in Jessie/Unstable is buggy (1.6.2-5) but at least it works if I launch from the terminal |
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| 23:24.02 | DrMrHorse | I can't get my debian wheezy machine to write to my windows 7 share. I am able to connect and see a list of contents, but unable to copy. permissions and such on der windows is pretty wide open. any ideas? |
| 23:24.53 | abrotman | network share or mounted share? |
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| 23:25.24 | x00e | Hey guys, kinda noobish question: is it possible to enable tab autocompletion for a user in sudo group when going for a command which usually requires elevated access? Like, let`s say apt or iwconfig .. ? |
| 23:25.31 | hfp | Hi, I would like to install SABnzbd. It exists in the Debian repo but it is v 0.6 when v. 0.7.16 is out. I am considering installing from source. How do I upgrade if installed from source? Do I just have to manually download the new version source and extract it in the same location, overwriting any changed files? Or will this break everything? |
| 23:25.59 | jhutchins | !user accessible ntfs |
| 23:26.00 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field. |
| 23:26.00 | DrMrHorse | abrotman: the home network share on the win7 appears to be able to mount on the wheezy, if thats what youre asking |
| 23:27.50 | DrMrHorse | jhutchins: is that for me? |
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| 23:33.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | Does rc.local run after all services have been started? |
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| 23:33.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | Well, more specifically I'm interested in running a temporary hook after a given service. Is there something nicer I can use? |
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| 23:35.15 | socomm | Eduard_Munteanu: man rc.local |
| 23:35.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | Thanks. *looks* |
| 23:36.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | Weird, manpages.debian.org doesn't find 'rc.local' |
| 23:36.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | doesn't have an actual install at this moment |
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| 23:37.09 | socomm | 'This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel.' |
| 23:37.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | Thanks. |
| 23:38.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | socomm: would you say it runs once all services have *finished* starting? IOW, can it be affected by parallelization? |
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| 23:39.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | I suspect I could 'tail -F' or something like that to wait for the file I'm interested in, in this case the SSH keys being generated for the first time. |
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| 23:41.30 | INCONTROL | hey guys |
| 23:41.41 | socomm | Eduard_Munteanu: maybe if you tells what you're trying to do, we can help you find a different solution |
| 23:42.14 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: not all are i nthere. |
| 23:42.18 | INCONTROL | i can't load grub for some reason, i get "alloc magic is broken at", i changed the faulty cmos battery and can't boot any sort of linux on it |
| 23:42.34 | INCONTROL | i was running debian 7.2 i386 |
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| 23:42.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | socomm: I'm writing some scripts to install Debian VMs, and I wanted to get the SSH keys copied to the host on first boot. |
| 23:43.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | I should probably use SSH with CAs though. |
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| 23:44.22 | abrotman | INCONTROL: why did you change nicks? |
| 23:44.53 | INCONTROL | cuz it's not him |
| 23:45.08 | INCONTROL | i'm his friend, he called me to help him sort this out |
| 23:45.27 | INCONTROL | and i can't understand what happened? |
| 23:45.32 | abrotman | that's the dumbest thing I've heard today |
| 23:45.57 | INCONTROL | either wya? does it really matter? |
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| 23:46.48 | abrotman | Same typing patterns .. yeah |
| 23:47.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | Suspected ban evasion? |
| 23:47.17 | abrotman | nope |
| 23:48.07 | INCONTROL | but i guess i'm getting there soon, does anyone have an ideea with this grub problem? i got to some kind of command line with limited commands |
| 23:48.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | INCONTROL: what are you booting off? HDD, CD or something else? |
| 23:49.13 | INCONTROL | hdd1 |
| 23:49.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | INCONTROL: maybe you should start with the beginning, if there's some context to this |
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| 23:51.31 | INCONTROL | can't figure out where to trace the issue, started the computer after 2-3-4 months can't remember how long, the cmos battery was dead, replaced it, removed the bios warning about it and now grub just says: loading grub, welcome to grub, and either i geet |
| 23:52.01 | INCONTROL | a boot screen with a debian and a debian recovery-mode, either one gets me to "alloc magic is broken at" |
| 23:52.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | INCONTROL: can you type the exact message? |
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| 23:53.25 | jimmybrite | Can anyone point me in the right direction to modify the applications list i.e: "Open with" dialog in gnome 3. |
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| 23:53.46 | INCONTROL | it's another code each time, i eventually got to something like a command line and it says "grub>" and there are not much commands i can use there, not even fdisk, mount or something i might use to help me out |
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| 23:55.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | INCONTROL: sounds like your BIOS setting might have changed (say, the SATA controller being set in IDE/ATA mode) or faulty hardware in case errors vary wildly, or both. |
| 23:56.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | INCONTROL: by the way, did you reset the BIOS settings to defaults after replacing the battery? |
| 23:56.42 | INCONTROL | very good point with the sata v ide/ata, really didn't check that |
| 23:57.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | You should, resetting CMOS isn't quite a safe thing wrt its contents. |
| 23:57.11 | INCONTROL | yes, just minor changes for booting afterwards so i can boot from usb |
| 23:58.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | Normally you should run the SATA controller in either AHCI or native mode, as some BIOSes call it. |
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| 23:59.12 | INCONTROL | hmmm...no wonder i didn't check, there's no such setting...it's an old P3 2 gb ram |
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| 23:59.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | INCONTROL: so it's an ATA drive? |
| 23:59.50 | INCONTROL | yup |
