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| 00:00.46 | ikla | how do I tell init to not proceed until all interfaces are up? |
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| 00:01.00 | Jonh24 | Hello all! |
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| 00:12.13 | petn-randall | ikla: /etc/init.d/networking starts, and when it exits all interfaces configured to start automatically are up. |
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| 00:13.46 | petn-randall | libcracka: Are you sure? 3.13 was released a weak ago, and intel usually has their drivers a release or two in mainline before the HW is available. |
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| 00:14.24 | mythril | is npm (nodejs) a separate package from nodejs in 7.1? |
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| 00:16.14 | mythril | sorry, 7.3 actually |
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| 00:17.21 | libcracka | petn-randall: yeahhhh one sec let me paste the output |
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| 00:18.48 | nickgaw | Hi, On debian wheezy is it possible to mount AFP volumes like on the 2 TB timecapsule? |
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| 00:22.17 | libcracka1 | petn-randall: http://pastebin.com/Ly7cyMZA |
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| 00:25.40 | petn-randall | libcracka1: You don't need a newer kernel, you need newer firmware! |
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| 00:25.53 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell libcracka1 about backports |
| 00:25.55 | nickgaw | are Ubuntu drivers like for brightness keys usually usable in debian? |
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| 00:27.25 | libcracka1 | ayyyy |
| 00:27.30 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell libcracka1 about wheezy-backports |
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| 00:27.45 | libcracka1 | those are the ones I added |
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| 00:28.29 | petn-randall | nickgaw: Generally anything you install on Debian from Ubuntu will break your system in the long run. |
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| 00:29.32 | libcracka1 | this is from wheezy backports |
| 00:29.41 | libcracka1 | I think it's enough of debian for me for the night anyway |
| 00:29.52 | libcracka1 | thank you all for your help and have a good one! |
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| 00:37.57 | Gandi | how can i remove sysvinit and install systemd? |
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| 00:39.01 | dondelelcaro | Gandi: aptitude install systemd-sysv sysvinit-core-; |
| 00:39.11 | mo1991 | Question - I have set up my dual boot system with the /boot partition on a usb drive. Everything works fine with the usb pen in. With the pen removed, however, I cannot boot into windows. Of course I wouldn't expect to be able to boot to wheezy as the kernel is on the /boot pen drive, but as grub is installed on the MBR, shouldn't I be able to still boot into winbloat? |
| 00:40.05 | Tenkawa | mo1991: does it try to boot at all without the pen? |
| 00:40.37 | Tenkawa | ie: does the windows harddrive still have an active bootloader |
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| 00:41.01 | Tenkawa | and what error/msg do you get btw? |
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| 00:42.18 | Tenkawa | any ogf you know offhand if the armhf debian port works ok on the beaglebone black btw? I would prefer not to use raspbian |
| 00:43.07 | Tenkawa | raspbian or any other "fork" |
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| 00:43.27 | mo1991 | TENKAWA - i'll reboot and check |
| 00:43.34 | Tenkawa | I dont even want to use raspbian on my rpi's |
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| 00:45.40 | Tenkawa | btw for anyone interested.. debian armhf works great on the samsung chromebook (using a chromium src'ed kernel) |
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| 00:46.48 | Tenkawa | mo1991: so.. whats the output like? |
| 00:46.54 | mo1991 | Tenkawa - the grub loader starts, but then gives unable to find disk error |
| 00:47.01 | Tenkawa | Ahhhh |
| 00:47.02 | mo1991 | so I don't get the grub menu |
| 00:47.14 | mo1991 | I assume this is cause the menu is on the /boot partition which is on the pen |
| 00:47.17 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 00:47.21 | Tenkawa | boot.lst etc |
| 00:47.32 | Tenkawa | or whatever its called nowadays |
| 00:47.32 | mo1991 | is there a way to write this to the winbloat partition as well? |
| 00:47.46 | Tenkawa | unfortunately that I do not know |
| 00:48.01 | Tenkawa | I spend almost all my time now on arm based hardware |
| 00:48.52 | mo1991 | ya, I've got a rasberry pie as well, Haven't messed with it in a while - I'm guessing the software is better now that it was originally. |
| 00:49.02 | Tenkawa | I dont even have a windows install running currently I dont think |
| 00:49.20 | Tenkawa | mo1991: I was running slackware on all of my rpis |
| 00:49.21 | mo1991 | did they ever get the rasberry pie graphics card working natively so that it can be used for all gui functions? |
| 00:49.33 | Tenkawa | not sure. mine were all headless |
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| 00:49.59 | mo1991 | ah, just out of curiousity, what do you use them for? I'm still trying to figure out a useful function for mine |
| 00:50.00 | codepython777 | is this normal? |
| 00:50.06 | Gandi | dondelelcaro that's not working i get some kind of conflict all over the screen |
| 00:50.07 | codepython777 | apt-get update -> Err http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Sources -> 404 Not Found [IP: 128.101.240.212 80] |
| 00:50.43 | Tenkawa | mo1991: mostly hobbyist.. I use them with distcc to distribute compile for some of my other arm hardware too |
| 00:51.41 | Tenkawa | mo1991: at least your usb pen will boot still.. |
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| 00:51.45 | dondelelcaro | Gandi: you'll have to provide the errors that you're getting |
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| 00:53.11 | Tenkawa | mo1991: just get a really small usb pen to use heheh |
| 00:53.20 | Tenkawa | unless the one you are using is already small |
| 00:54.43 | mo1991 | ya, I'm purposely booting form usb drive for security - not really needed but just messing around. But I would like to be able to boot windows without it. |
| 00:55.13 | mo1991 | I'm going to see if I can get grub to write the list to the win drive also somehow |
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| 01:00.33 | Tenkawa | cheers all. |
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| 01:21.47 | codepython777 | anyone knows whats wrong here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6841205/ |
| 01:21.51 | codepython777 | apt-get update is failing for me |
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| 01:22.55 | dondelelcaro | codepython777: what is the error that apt-get update; is giving you? |
| 01:23.01 | codepython777 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6841209/ |
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| 01:25.14 | codepython777 | dondelelcaro: apt-get clean ->W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
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| 01:26.31 | codepython777 | dondelelcaro: read only file system problem |
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| 01:29.01 | dondelelcaro | codepython777: yes. apt-get update; isn't going to work at all on a read only filesystem... |
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| 01:40.51 | MySystem | hello is there a to install the package python-pyside in debian without adding the unstable to sources.list(iam a bit affraid that not only the python-pyside will be fetched from there and many other stuff will update) |
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| 01:49.40 | Marian | I noticed in jessie packages it says "python:any" in the dependency field instead of "python" (like it was in wheezy). as it's impossible to google that, might you point me to some documentation and what that means? |
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| 01:51.41 | malucious | MySystem: If you set up apt pinning you should be able to pull a package from unstable without worry of getting extra. |
| 01:52.10 | krababbel | How can I check if a kernel module is working correctly? I can code C a bit. |
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| 01:52.31 | MySystem | thats realy interessting thx |
| 01:53.25 | stew | MySystem: you shouldn't mix unstable packages with stable using pinning |
| 01:53.29 | stew | MySystem: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 01:55.41 | stew | malucious: pinnning unstable to get that package would cause all kinds of stuff to get upgraded, not just the one package he's after |
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| 02:01.43 | MySystem | thx also stew will remember thos two ways atm i try it with python-pip |
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| 02:04.44 | malucious | stew: really? Even if he installed with 'apt-get -t unstable install package'? |
| 02:05.04 | stew | malucious: right, for instance libc6 would be upgraded to unstable |
| 02:05.20 | stew | malucious: since a newer libc6 is a transitive dependency |
| 02:05.34 | n0d3 | In other words, dependencies for the package he's after might get upgraded and this may cause other applications to break as well |
| 02:05.36 | malucious | stew: ah I see. |
| 02:06.43 | stew | "aptitude search '~i~Dlibc6'" to get an idea of what installed pakcages might be affected |
| 02:10.03 | GJdan | there we go |
| 02:11.16 | MySystem | ah ok thx then i hope the pip methode does work |
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| 02:15.20 | FranciscoD | Hi, I'm looking at this page: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 02:15.27 | FranciscoD | I was wondering if the cds listed here are live cds? |
| 02:15.33 | abrotman | no |
| 02:15.33 | FranciscoD | As in, does jigdo generate live CDs? |
| 02:15.54 | FranciscoD | abrotman: So jigdo only generates installation media then? |
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| 02:22.56 | finchd | FranciscoD: i'm pretty sure debian just doen't make liveCDs period. they are a third-party |
| 02:23.33 | FranciscoD | abrotman: finchd: Ah. Okay. Thanks for the info. |
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| 02:24.37 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 02:24.38 | dpkg | A "live CD" (or live system) is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://live.debian.net/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
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| 02:27.54 | cesurasean | What command could I use to search my entire system for an ip address, and replace it with another one? Every file on my linux system? |
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| 02:28.34 | dvs | sed? |
| 02:29.33 | cesurasean | What's the full command I could use? |
| 02:29.38 | Tramp | cesurasean: should I answer here or in #bash? |
| 02:30.15 | cesurasean | Tramp, here. |
| 02:30.33 | abrotman | no, #bash |
| 02:31.01 | pepee | will these features ever be appoved? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=656719 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=717500 |
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| 02:42.42 | mo1991 | hmm. I've installed grub to my mbr, in my particular case, however, I should have installed it to /boot which is on a usb drive. Is there a way I can simply tell grub to also install itself to the /boot partition from the command as I should have done it from installer but didn't? |
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| 02:48.36 | jarkko___ | install-grub /dev/sda or something |
| 02:49.03 | gobrox | I am trying to set up an ircd hybrid server with SSL. Does anyone have a guide? |
| 02:49.16 | jarkko___ | mo1991: grub-install is the command |
| 02:49.21 | jarkko___ | argument is drive |
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| 02:49.57 | mo1991 | cool thx - ill give it a try |
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| 02:52.14 | mo1991 | ok, how do i figure out which block device is my usb-pen? |
| 02:53.02 | mo1991 | because that's where my /boot drive is and where I want to install grub. |
| 02:53.47 | mo1991 | fstab shows a uuid rather than a /dev/xxx. |
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| 02:53.56 | disturbed18 | alguien habla espaƱol? |
| 02:54.06 | dvs | !es |
| 02:54.06 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 02:54.13 | disturbed18 | ok |
| 02:54.20 | disturbed18 | thanks |
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| 02:56.37 | AlexLikeRock | if inpout 6,000 fonts to my debian system.. |
| 02:56.42 | AlexLikeRock | they go slow ? |
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| 02:56.59 | dvs | O_O |
| 02:57.14 | mo1991 | ok, I try to install grub to /dev/sdc2, which is my /boot on a usb stick, and I get the error Attempting to install GRUB to a partitionless disk or to a partition. This is a BAD idea.. |
| 02:57.33 | mo1991 | it's not a partitionless disc though as it has the /boot partition on it? |
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| 03:04.06 | rohabl | Does anyone have a guide on how to setup ircd-hybrid with SSL? Everything I've tried won't work. |
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| 03:04.22 | rohabl | Which includes downloading the source, going to debian/rules and adding USE_OPENSSL = 1 |
| 03:05.00 | rohabl | And the last post on this page https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1486054&page=2 |
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| 03:19.07 | buu | How do I change the default editor via alternatives? |
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| 03:19.42 | dvs | buu: You're gonna kick yourself |
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| 03:22.42 | buu | useful |
| 03:23.05 | dvs | buu: update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 03:28.25 | buu | Yeah |
| 03:28.27 | buu | Google told me |
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| 03:33.38 | xcv483 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:34.54 | buu | Can I petition someone to make an alias package named 'build-essentials' because I can never remember what its called? |
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| 03:35.09 | dvs | build-essential |
| 03:35.13 | buu | I KNOW |
| 03:35.18 | buu | I want both to work |
| 03:35.27 | dvs | heh |
| 03:35.39 | buu | I always type this like 15 package long install command then go oh wait, shit, is it plural or not |
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| 03:40.52 | anonnumberanon | How to create a pdf document out of pictures? |
| 03:42.26 | socomm | anonnumberanon: print to pdf? |
| 03:43.05 | socomm | anonnumberanon: also, imagemagick may help |
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| 03:43.22 | anonnumberanon | I have that. |
| 03:44.11 | xcv483 | i think i can't run firefox because my system is 64bit and firefox is 32 bit. is there a package i need to install to open 32-bit applications on debian? |
| 03:44.52 | viscera | xcv483, debian has the multiarch mechanism |
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| 03:45.14 | zarkone | Hello! is there somebody who using usbmount tool? After installing i have usb[1-7] dirs in /media. can i force usbmount to create dir before mounting instead of mount to existing one? |
| 03:45.20 | indieross | dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 03:45.21 | dpkg | gets an architect to start planning a new s390 palace |
| 03:46.40 | xcv483 | indieross, that will get the 32 bit firefox to open even though it's not installed as a packages, but executed from a folder? |
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| 03:51.00 | xcv483 | indieross, to undo that command would i do dpkg --remove-architecture i386? |
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| 03:53.58 | J3T | Anbody give me some advice on installing Nvidia drivers in Jessie? |
| 03:55.01 | xcv483 | i did dpkg --add-architecture i386 and it didn't work. how do i undo it? |
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| 03:56.39 | ChibaPet | man dpkg will tell you to run dpkg --remove-architecture |
| 03:57.27 | xcv483 | i'm not going to read the manual just to figure out how to undo something when i don't have unlimited time, thanks |
| 03:57.35 | ChibaPet | Wow. |
| 03:57.47 | indes | Then why even do it to begin with? |
| 03:57.52 | ChibaPet | That makes me actively regret having helped. |
| 03:57.54 | indes | just hire someone to do it. |
| 03:58.10 | xcv483 | depends on how much you charge |
| 03:58.22 | indes | I'm expensive. Sorry. |
| 03:58.44 | ChibaPet | xcv483: What version of Debian are you running? |
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| 03:59.42 | xcv483 | wheezy amd64 |
| 04:01.50 | Somefellow | I can't find java 7 for my Debian 6 server |
| 04:01.56 | Somefellow | Can anybody help? |
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| 04:06.03 | socomm | Somefellow: have you looked under your rug? |
| 04:06.48 | Somefellow | I don't have a rug |
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| 04:07.06 | socomm | Somefellow: welp there goes that guess |
| 04:08.36 | J3T | how do i get the gcc compiler in Jessie needed for Nvidia drivers? |
| 04:09.16 | socomm | J3T: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 04:11.04 | J3T | Thats the whole command, no linux-headers afterwar? |
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| 04:13.51 | socomm | J3T: you asked how you'd get 'the gcc compiler' |
| 04:16.15 | J3T | I believe i was originally trying to do this command "apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)" but it was giving me an error. |
| 04:17.33 | socomm | J3T: ok |
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| 04:23.16 | ParkerR | Trying to get unmounting working in usbmount. I can plug a drive in and it gets mounted to /media/usb* as it should but removing the drive does nto clear up the mounts. From what I read it should unmount automatically upon removal. Any idea what could be going on? |
| 04:23.28 | ParkerR | *not |
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| 04:37.33 | phr | hi all |
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| 04:40.18 | nlaveck | DOES anyone have an oppinion on legacy BIOS vs UEFI? |
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| 04:40.25 | phr | :) |
| 04:40.29 | nlaveck | sorry caps |
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| 04:41.58 | wols | if it works, use uefi. |
| 04:42.03 | phr | do or do not, there is no try :) |
| 04:42.12 | phr | indeed |
| 04:42.23 | ParkerR | nlaveck, UEFI can be beneficial for boot times but most of the implementations are manufactures trying to implement as few features as possible and still boot Window |
| 04:42.37 | ParkerR | This makes it harder for linux to run on some systems |
| 04:42.48 | ParkerR | *Windows |
| 04:42.58 | ParkerR | I still prefer a legacy BIOS |
| 04:43.05 | phr | me too |
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| 04:44.13 | phr | linux and UEFI can be a pain in the ass. at least i've spent a few sleepless nights making it work right |
| 04:44.32 | phr | afterall, i've created everything from scratch, with the old partition table |
| 04:44.38 | phr | works rock solid now |
| 04:45.02 | phr | works so perfect i'm thinking about to get a debian shirt ;p |
| 04:45.04 | nlaveck | I was playing around with UEFI on Linux Mint and GRUB didn't seem to like it very much and it still somewhat behaves somewhat irraticly |
| 04:45.05 | ParkerR | I like knowing a bit more of what's going on and being able to use linux without having to mess with UEFI |
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| 04:46.05 | phr | i had the problems, cause my lenovo came with that extra smart recovery hidden partition |
| 04:46.06 | nlaveck | so you think I'd be better of from a support and usability standpoint going with Legacy BIOS & MBR? |
| 04:46.48 | phr | nlaveck: that's my opinion, from what i've had to go through |
| 04:47.02 | phr | i kinda like to stick to the old school stuff |
| 04:47.29 | ParkerR | It just works (tm) |
| 04:47.42 | phr | :) |
| 04:47.44 | phr | yeah |
| 04:48.33 | ParkerR | Also in the case of my laptop I was able to flash my own coreboot build |
| 04:48.36 | phr | but when already running uefi with windows, going to legacy msdos, will make your windows fail |
| 04:48.46 | phr | so make sure to do everything correct |
| 04:48.47 | ParkerR | So I really know what's going on and how to tweak it to my liking |
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| 04:49.09 | nlaveck | ParkeR: Someone else recommended doing that, but I'm scared to. |
| 04:49.10 | phr | aww |
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| 04:49.48 | phr | yeah that would be an alternavie |
| 04:49.55 | ParkerR | nlaveck, depends on laptop model etc. It's not compatible with everything, as far as I know |
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| 04:50.32 | phr | i still have that half/rooted lenovo bios on mine, with serial number invalid etc |
| 04:50.50 | phr | cannot get to that service cd to change the things on the flash |
| 04:50.58 | phr | maybe someone has an idea? :p |
| 04:51.12 | ParkerR | phr, flashrom in a linux install? |
| 04:51.28 | phr | i have to admit, i'm kinda scared too.. |
| 04:51.37 | phr | since i'm in love with this baby |
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| 04:51.41 | nlaveck | ParkerR: is your laptop in the supported list? http://www.coreboot.org/Laptop |
| 04:51.43 | phr | my one and only ;) <3 |
| 04:51.45 | ParkerR | There's plenty of guides |
| 04:51.50 | ParkerR | nlaveck, Acer C710 |
| 04:52.02 | nlaveck | I don't see it |
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| 04:52.34 | ParkerR | http://www.coreboot.org/Chromebooks |
| 04:52.56 | phr | ugh |
| 04:53.10 | phr | i'd have to open my box to see what mobo im using |
| 04:53.37 | phr | that pre-setuped kit from lenovo is painful sometimes when playing with that funky stuff |
| 04:53.46 | nlaveck | ParkerR: I don't think mines supported |
| 04:53.49 | nlaveck | :( |
| 04:54.11 | ParkerR | phr, Try inxi. It lists board info. http://i.imgur.com/n0bQFLL.png |
| 04:54.28 | ParkerR | May list more for yours |
| 04:54.36 | phr | :o |
| 04:54.38 | phr | yeah |
| 04:54.40 | phr | exactly |
| 04:54.55 | phr | thx! |
| 04:55.00 | ParkerR | No problem |
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| 04:58.17 | phr | umm |
| 04:58.21 | phr | it doesnt show my mobo :p |
| 04:58.36 | phr | everything else is echoed ;p |
| 04:59.44 | adm10809 | when i start a webcam application the light on my webcam turns on but the picture doesn't show. does anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 05:00.45 | ParkerR | adm10809, What application are you trying/ |
| 05:00.51 | adm10809 | camorama |
| 05:00.54 | ParkerR | s///?/ |
| 05:01.58 | ParkerR | Try mplayer tv:// as a quick test |
| 05:02.36 | adm10809 | so install mplayer? |
| 05:02.44 | adm10809 | what's the tv part |
| 05:02.54 | ParkerR | Oh if it's not already installed dont worry |
| 05:03.08 | ParkerR | tv:// just loads the first v4l device which in most cases is the webcam |
| 05:03.15 | adm10809 | ya it's not. :/ |
| 05:03.30 | ParkerR | Not the first or not installed? |
| 05:03.37 | adm10809 | not installed |
| 05:03.41 | ParkerR | Ahh |
| 05:03.42 | adm10809 | i can install it |
| 05:03.53 | ParkerR | Worth a shot to see if the camera works there |
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| 05:03.58 | Rusty1 | or install cheese |
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| 05:04.59 | adm10809 | cheese has a ton of dependencies |
| 05:05.23 | ParkerR | Yeah cheese is a bit heavier than mplayer in that regard |
| 05:05.26 | adm10809 | ok i installed mplayer and ran the command and the light turned on and brought up a black window |
| 05:05.32 | adm10809 | same as camorama |
| 05:06.01 | ParkerR | Pastebin the output of dmesg | tail -20 |
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| 05:07.04 | adm10809 | http://paste.debian.net/79147/ |
| 05:07.23 | ParkerR | Hmm no webcam info. Ok |
| 05:07.30 | adm10809 | lol |
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| 05:07.34 | adm10809 | I can go back further. |
| 05:07.47 | ParkerR | Also if you are using the ath9k driver for wireless I have a fix for that stuff in demsg |
| 05:08.37 | ParkerR | Side note: Pastebin lspci so I can see the wireless |
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| 05:09.36 | adm10809 | i know my other laptop uses ath9k. this one uses another drive i believe. ok i'll paste that one sec |
| 05:09.41 | johnfreez | i'm hurting so baad; i mean my system experience |
| 05:10.12 | adm10809 | well i'm using a wireless usb adapter that's stronger than the internal card, so don't worry about it |
| 05:10.17 | adm10809 | i blacklisted the internal driver |
| 05:10.21 | johnfreez | the system is crunching the disk constantly; videos running out of room on a certain partitian |
| 05:10.23 | ParkerR | Ahh ok |
| 05:10.30 | johnfreez | partition |
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| 05:10.39 | ParkerR | adm10809, When that was happening to me wifi would drop constantly |
| 05:10.58 | johnfreez | help, and i know it's a common issue |
| 05:11.07 | johnfreez | just knows it |
| 05:11.13 | johnfreez | with certitude |
| 05:11.21 | johnfreez | within certitude |
| 05:11.22 | adm10809 | ParkerR, ya I used to have that problem too |
| 05:11.26 | ParkerR | johnfreez, lsof the folder being filled up |
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| 05:11.37 | johnfreez | doing it |
| 05:11.38 | ParkerR | It'll show you what programs are writing to it |
| 05:11.50 | phr_ | oh crap |
| 05:11.51 | phr_ | look |
| 05:11.54 | phr_ | thats me |
| 05:11.56 | phr_ | :p |
| 05:12.05 | phr_ | lshw cause a fault |
| 05:12.06 | phr_ | lol |
| 05:12.10 | johnfreez | ParkerR, the dataset is too large; i need context with all these entries |
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| 05:13.10 | adm10809 | so those networkng-related entries in my dmesg are probably because i have the driver blacklisted right? |
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| 05:14.02 | ParkerR | adm10809, I don't think so. If wireless is working for you I believe it's safe to ignore |
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| 05:17.24 | adm10809 | just wish this camera would work |
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| 05:17.46 | ParkerR | adm10809, Is it a built in webcam or external? |
| 05:18.11 | adm10809 | builtin |
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| 05:19.25 | Rusty1 | adm10809: tried installing luvcview? maybe its one of those |
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| 05:20.40 | adm10809 | same thing, light turns on but black picture |
| 05:20.44 | adm10809 | with luvcview |
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| 05:23.31 | adm10809 | how can i find out which driver it is using? if i knew i could search for an answer online but i don't know where to begin |
| 05:23.58 | ParkerR | adm10809, lsusb |
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| 05:25.16 | adm10809 | oh, it's just lsusb? nothing in there that stands out as being related to the camera unfortunately |
| 05:25.52 | ParkerR | adm10809, pastebin |
| 05:26.44 | adm10809 | http://paste.debian.net/79150/ |
| 05:27.14 | adm10809 | logitech? |
| 05:27.26 | ParkerR | sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k.conf |
| 05:27.29 | ParkerR | Gaah |
| 05:27.34 | ParkerR | Bus 002 Device 006: ID 5986:0292 Acer, Inc |
| 05:27.38 | ParkerR | That's it |
| 05:27.52 | adm10809 | really, how do you know it's that one? |
| 05:28.24 | ParkerR | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1195932 |
| 05:28.31 | ParkerR | Googled that line :P |
| 05:28.38 | ParkerR | Webcam mentioned in search results |
| 05:28.55 | adm10809 | nice googling |
| 05:29.29 | ParkerR | Yeah that seems like a very obscure webcam. Not finding much info |
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| 05:30.49 | ParkerR | adm10809, pastebin lsusb -v |
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| 05:33.26 | adm10809 | http://paste.debian.net/79151/ |
| 05:33.56 | ParkerR | Wat |
| 05:34.01 | ParkerR | It's missing the Acer entry |
| 05:34.04 | wat | huh |
| 05:34.22 | ParkerR | wat haha sorry |
| 05:34.52 | wat | oh, np |
| 05:35.03 | adm10809 | i don't know why |
| 05:35.12 | adm10809 | lol |
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| 05:35.59 | adm10809 | i just did lsusb -v | grep acer and got: Couldn't open device, some information will be missing |
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| 05:37.06 | adm10809 | ya something happened because camorama won't open now. it says cannot connect to /dev/video0 please check connection |
| 05:37.24 | ParkerR | adm10809, Do you have VLC installed? From a google trail I was lead to a page saying the "Lenovo EasyCamera" (apparently the same chipset as yours) only works in VLC |
| 05:37.26 | adm10809 | some process might be using it |
| 05:37.37 | adm10809 | yes i have vlc |
| 05:37.37 | ParkerR | vlc v4l2:// |
| 05:38.27 | adm10809 | v4l2 access error: cannot open device '/dev/video0': No such file or directory |
| 05:38.38 | adm10809 | but that's because some process is using it, i need to kill something |
| 05:38.38 | ParkerR | O.o |
| 05:38.43 | ParkerR | No |
| 05:38.54 | ParkerR | If the file doesnt exist then it may mean your kernel doesnt have support |
| 05:39.02 | ParkerR | uname -a |
| 05:39.16 | adm10809 | ohh, i wonder if it's the kernel i got from backports |
| 05:39.24 | ParkerR | Or somethng on the kernel level is messing up |
| 05:39.32 | adm10809 | Linux x 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.6-2~bpo70+1 (2014-01-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 05:39.46 | ParkerR | Hmm is your old kernel entry in grub still? |
| 05:39.52 | adm10809 | yes |
| 05:39.57 | ParkerR | You can boot to that real quick to test |
| 05:39.58 | adm10809 | 3.2 and 3.10bpo3 |
| 05:40.14 | adm10809 | Sure, I'll be back in 5 minutes. |
| 05:40.19 | ParkerR | :) |
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| 05:45.39 | adm10809 | ParkerR, didn't work in either one :( |
| 05:45.49 | ParkerR | :< |
| 05:45.58 | adm10809 | maybe it just has no linux support |
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| 05:46.03 | ParkerR | adm10809, Has it ever worked to your knowledge/ |
| 05:46.14 | tiblock | Hi. Does debian .iso have live-cd mode? |
| 05:46.19 | adm10809 | no it's a new computer |
| 05:46.25 | adm10809 | haven't tried it until today |
| 05:46.41 | ParkerR | adm10809, It's very well possible that the device is so new that it doesn;t have full support yet |
| 05:47.01 | adm10809 | ParkerR, well it's a 2011 model, i just meant i recently acquired it |
| 05:47.47 | tiblock | If i have broken OS, can i use debian .iso as LiveCD, or there is no LiveCD and only install mode? |
| 05:47.58 | themill | dpkg: tell tiblock about live |
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| 05:48.49 | tiblock | -_- 256kbps internet, download day .iso with debian... well... |
| 05:48.56 | tiblock | thank you anyway |
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| 05:55.18 | johnfreez | how can i switch firefox off of /tmp ? |
| 05:55.21 | johnfreez | it's all filled up! |
| 05:55.29 | adm10809 | ParkerR, i'll give it another try tomorrow. thanks for all your time |
| 05:55.35 | johnfreez | and it's a common issue i strongly suspect |
| 05:55.51 | johnfreez | indeed |
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| 06:07.52 | Lady_Aleena | If I remove pulseaudio which seems to be running my audio at the moment will alsa or gstreamer kick in? I don't see them listed as even running in "top". |
| 06:08.10 | johnfreez | pulseaudio isn't required for sound output |
| 06:08.47 | Lady_Aleena | Which makes me wonder what it is doing hogging up so many of my resources at the moment. |
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| 06:09.26 | Lady_Aleena | My computer is running very slow again, and I've been told pulseaudio may be one cause. |
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| 06:10.49 | Lady_Aleena | Should I remove pulseaudio, and if yes, how please? |
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| 06:12.22 | Lady_Aleena | Also, if I remove pulseaudio, should I shut down programs like Amarok and Kmix? |
| 06:12.48 | Lady_Aleena | s/?/ first?/; |
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| 06:14.18 | Blue1 | I am having trouble getting rsnapshot to do anything. |
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| 06:16.58 | ParkerR | Lady_Aleena, pulseaudio isnt required but is highly suggested |
| 06:17.32 | ParkerR | Hardware detection, compatibility. Anything that uses alsa will output through pulseaudio if it is installed |
| 06:17.34 | Lady_Aleena | ParkerR, even if it gobbles up resources. |
| 06:17.44 | ParkerR | CPU, RAM? |
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| 06:17.57 | Lady_Aleena | Pentium 4 with 4GB RAM |
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| 06:18.29 | ParkerR | Oooh. Never tried it on that old of a system. I had a P4 2.66GHZ that I never got around to throwing linux on |
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| 06:19.41 | Lady_Aleena | Well, I made a bad decision when choosing a DE which I am also pondering dumping because it appears to be bloated. |
| 06:20.03 | ParkerR | What DE? |
| 06:20.07 | Lady_Aleena | KDE |
| 06:20.10 | cynfor | I had cpu issues with pulseaudio, setting its config to run low priority fixed it. |
| 06:20.56 | Lady_Aleena | So, I should keep pulseaudio and look for other problems? |
| 06:21.03 | ParkerR | Lady_Aleena, ooh yeah KDE isn;t the lightest on resources |
| 06:22.36 | Lady_Aleena | I wish someone would have told me that before I was smooth talked into it. I was going to go with Gnome until someone convinced me to use KDE. I am now being told XFCE(?) is one of the best out there, though others are telling me to go with a WM instead of a DE. |
| 06:22.52 | rjsalts | ParkerR, Lady_Aleena: but also not the heaviest. It needs a certain minimum of ram, but once given that it's less CPU intensive than gnome |
| 06:22.56 | centrx | Lady_Aleena, Don't use Gnome either |
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| 06:23.25 | centrx | Lady_Aleena, If you must have a desktop environment, use XFCE or LXDE |
| 06:23.45 | rjsalts | I'm quite happy with KDE fwiw |
| 06:23.45 | centrx | Lady_Aleena, Or use a window manager with a couple other programs. I use OpenBox with fbpanel |
| 06:24.03 | ParkerR | Or i3 :D |
| 06:24.06 | centrx | rjsalts, On a Pentium 4 |
| 06:24.07 | Lady_Aleena | centrx, I've never seen anyone talking about LXDE, but I have heard of XFCE. |
| 06:24.38 | rjsalts | not for a while |
| 06:24.45 | joj | A Pentium 4 with 4 GB of RAM should be plenty enough to even run KDE. |
| 06:25.05 | rjsalts | I agree, 4 gig is heaps |
| 06:25.36 | Lady_Aleena | joj, my computer is slow, especially after being afk almost all day leaving IceWeasel up with TweetDeck running. |
| 06:26.00 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: what does top say? |
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| 06:26.31 | Lady_Aleena | rjsalts, I turned off the music so Xorg is at the top of the list. |
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| 06:26.57 | Lady_Aleena | Usually pulseaudio is on top of the list when music is playing. |
| 06:27.05 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: what about cpu % usr/sys/... |
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| 06:27.24 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: and are you using swap yet? |
| 06:27.41 | Lady_Aleena | rjsalts, can you explain user/sys/ first? |
| 06:27.48 | joj | Lady_Aleena: That's abnorm. With pure ALSA, playing music does not produce any load except decoding the audio, in my case with MPD, which is way below 5% on a dualcore 1.65Ghz netbook |
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| 06:28.41 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: let us see uptime, type /exec -o uptime |
| 06:28.45 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: http://paste.debian.net/79153/ is top on my machine. The third line down |
| 06:29.08 | Lady_Aleena | joj, my whole system is abnormal from what I've seen. Everyone else has fast whiz-bang systems, while I trudge trying to go from tab to tab in IceWeasel most of the time. |
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| 06:29.15 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: in your irc client type that |
| 06:29.44 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: or what LtL said |
| 06:29.45 | Lady_Aleena | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.56 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: not bad |
| 06:30.31 | joj | has 62 days, 19:10 on his netbook running Debian Sid. |
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| 06:30.39 | centrx | I don't know why these people think KDE from 2014 would run well on a processor from 2004 |
| 06:31.07 | Lady_Aleena | rjsalts, http://paste.debian.net/79154/ is my top. |
| 06:31.10 | centrx | 2000-2006 |
| 06:31.31 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: its not the uptime i was interested in but the load avg. which isn't bad. |
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| 06:32.12 | rjsalts | centrx: and 2012 if it's kde on wheezy ;) |
| 06:32.27 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: don't park a browser on a javascripted page, its eating you up |
| 06:32.55 | centrx | rjsalts, It could be a single-core 1.1GHz processor from 2000! |
| 06:33.33 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a way I can show you my exact processor with the /exec thing? |
| 06:33.48 | joj | Lady_Aleena: lscpu |
| 06:33.55 | centrx | Lady_Aleena, Yes, but it would flood the channel... |
| 06:34.05 | Lady_Aleena | OUCH! I'm sooooo sorry!!!! |
| 06:34.35 | joj | Lady_Aleena: you would only get kicked :-) paste it on http://paste.debian.net and everything's alright |
| 06:34.57 | Lady_Aleena | makes note to self to not /exec something without knowing whether or not it will flood the channel. |
| 06:36.01 | wat | when i do a traceroute the first hop is my router. my resolv.conf is configed to 127.0.0.1 though and ive got a :53 listening for translation |
| 06:36.02 | centrx | I think cat /proc/cpuinfo might be more useful as it has the Model Name |
| 06:36.10 | wat | why is it hitting the router still? |
| 06:36.14 | rjsalts | or dmidecode |
| 06:36.23 | wat | and dig name resolution is happening @ 127.0.0.1:53 |
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| 06:36.56 | centrx | wat, Are you tracerouting an IP address? |
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| 06:37.04 | wat | yes |
| 06:37.20 | centrx | wat, Then it would not use DNS resolution |
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| 06:37.30 | Lady_Aleena | My cpuinfo: http://paste.debian.net/79155/ |
| 06:37.37 | wat | how can i change the first hope from being the router? |
| 06:38.20 | wat | hop* |
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| 06:40.22 | Lady_Aleena | I need to go afk for just a few moments, I will be back shortly. |
| 06:40.52 | centrx | wat, What is the reason for doing this? |
| 06:41.08 | wat | just trying to secure my origin |
| 06:41.47 | centrx | wat, There could be some way with your router to disable it responding to ICMP |
| 06:41.57 | rjsalts | wat: you are going through a tunnel of some kind? |
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| 06:46.59 | Lady_Aleena | So, what's the verdict, is my CPU too old for KDE, or do I need to find another place to look for where my system resources are going? |
| 06:47.54 | wat | yes rjsalts |
| 06:48.23 | joj | Lady_Aleena: your system got plenty of power (although not very power efficient) |
| 06:48.31 | centrx | Lady_Aleena, I avoid KDE even on modern hardware for maximum performance |
| 06:48.41 | centrx | Lady_Aleena, But your CPU is the Pentium 4 HT 3.4 released in 2004 |
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| 06:49.14 | Lady_Aleena | I got this computer in 2004, the hard drive and RAM are all that's changed since then. |
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| 06:50.39 | rjsalts | wat: ip route is probably what you want to look at |
| 06:50.47 | centrx | When I ran KDE and Gnome in 2004 on my 2004 computer it seemed slow to me, and they only get more bloated |
| 06:51.10 | Lady_Aleena | centrx, I would love to optimize my system, however, I don't know where to start. |
| 06:51.19 | wat | can origin still be traced if the hop is @ 192.168.1.100 ? |
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| 06:51.30 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: the top you showed indicates that your computer is doing practically nothing |
| 06:51.33 | Lady_Aleena | Sorry centrx, that should have been to joj. |
| 06:51.41 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: and you have ram to spare |
| 06:52.41 | Lady_Aleena | rjsalts, here is my top right now: http://paste.debian.net/79156/ |
| 06:52.46 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: so it's probably some infuriating bottleneck somewhere else, like irq thrashing, or video card |
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| 06:53.48 | Lady_Aleena | Let me add TweetDeck back into the mix then run top again. |
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| 06:54.44 | centrx | load average: 0.85, 0.32, 0.26 |
| 06:55.01 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: what's the video driver using, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:55.31 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, here's my current top with everything I normally run: http://paste.debian.net/79157/ |
| 06:55.34 | rjsalts | being used even |
| 06:55.49 | Darkalia | sb goto -50 |
| 06:55.56 | Darkalia | Oups, sorry |
| 06:56.31 | Lady_Aleena | rjsalts, Um, Xorg.0.log is HUGE! |
| 06:56.41 | centrx | load average: 1.39, 0.64, 0.38 |
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| 06:57.40 | themill | Lady_Aleena: the combination of iceweasel and java and either wine or mono for notepad++ isn't helping here. Your machine is swapping. yet. |
| 06:57.58 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a way to copy "more /var/log/Xorg.0.log" to the clipboard. I don't know what I am looking for in it. |
| 06:58.33 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: search for Driver or driver |
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| 06:58.51 | Lady_Aleena | rjsalts, I have over 10 pages to look through. |
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| 06:59.57 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:59.57 | wat | ** (gdm3:12137): WARNING **: Failed to acquire org.gnome.DisplayManager |
| 06:59.58 | wat | ** (gdm3:12137): WARNING **: Could not acquire name; bailing out |
| 07:00.13 | wat | i lost my theme and i get that error when doing gdm3 force-reload |
| 07:00.20 | wat | any way to fix it? |
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| 07:01.29 | Lady_Aleena | rjsalts, I pasted it: http://paste.debian.net/79158/ |
| 07:02.46 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: okay, looks like you're using the radeon driver, it's probably not going to be that horrible |
| 07:03.11 | Lady_Aleena | rjsalts, I am using whatever D7 installed. |
| 07:03.23 | wat | guys this is #debian |
| 07:03.30 | wat | not #okcupid |
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| 07:03.46 | themill | wat: eh? |
| 07:03.50 | centrx | Someone wants help |
| 07:03.54 | wat | yes |
| 07:03.56 | wat | lol |
| 07:04.22 | centrx | wat, Are you not able to get into X at all now? |
| 07:04.41 | wat | X? |
| 07:04.51 | themill | Lady_Aleena: do you have desktop effects enabled (System Settings -> Desktop Effects)? Enabling some effects either with OpenGL or XRender will probably improve things. Don't enable all the animations though as that will slow things down a lot. |
| 07:05.06 | centrx | wat, The graphical system |
| 07:05.26 | centrx | wat, You use gdm to login, now you cannot log in and use programs any more? Or is this just a random error message |
| 07:05.40 | wat | my theme has unloaded |
| 07:05.43 | wat | im guessing gtk? |
| 07:06.23 | Lady_Aleena | themill, I have "Enable desktop effects at startup" and "Improved window management" checked, but I unchecked "Various animations". |
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| 07:06.39 | themill | yeah, that's reasonable |
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| 07:08.39 | Lady_Aleena | The effects I have checked under "All effects" are: zoom, blur, dashboard, fade, highlight window, login, logout, screenshot, slide, sliding popups, taskbar thumbnails, transparency, startup feedback, dialog parent, desktop grid, outline, present windows. (Whew!) |
| 07:09.49 | rjsalts | wat: the gdm errors look like dbus related problems |
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| 07:10.24 | centrx | Lady_Aleena, Honestly, it looks like you need every CPU cycle you can get while you are running Firefox, music, Java, and KDE, so I would get rid of KDE, and what is Java running for? |
| 07:11.25 | rjsalts | centrx: notepad++ |
| 07:11.25 | Lady_Aleena | centrx, I don't know why Java is running. D7 did it when I installed it I guess. |
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| 07:12.10 | Lady_Aleena | centrx, or what rjsalts said. |
| 07:12.34 | centrx | Delphi? |
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| 07:13.05 | Lady_Aleena | What is Delphi? |
| 07:13.06 | rjsalts | it's a text editor |
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| 07:13.34 | rjsalts | delphi is a programming language/environment by borland. pascal on steroids |
| 07:13.37 | Lady_Aleena | I looked at half a dozen Linux text editors before I gave up and installed Notepad++. |
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| 07:14.11 | centrx | What is "D7" |
| 07:14.17 | rjsalts | debian 7 |
| 07:14.17 | Lady_Aleena | Debian 7 |
| 07:14.22 | centrx | oh...of course |
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| 07:15.10 | Lady_Aleena | With how some talked about some of the text editors I tried, I expected angels singing; but all I found were demons. |
| 07:16.08 | Lady_Aleena | Non-sequitur: I program in Perl exclusively. |
| 07:16.13 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: kate seems pretty simple/similar to notepad++ |
| 07:16.15 | themill | Lady_Aleena: kate is every bit as good as notepad++ and given you're already using KDE will save you GB of memory. |
| 07:16.29 | Lady_Aleena | I loathe Kate! |
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| 07:17.04 | centrx | Look at this, KDE fanboys refusing to acknowledge KDE is slow and instead blaming good old Notepad++ |
| 07:17.11 | rjsalts | themill: you think memory is the issue? only 620 bytes of swap is being used? |
| 07:17.24 | themill | centrx: ummm no. |
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| 07:17.29 | Lady_Aleena | I clicked word wrap in Kate and saved before realizing Kate doesn't UNwrap the lines. |
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| 07:17.49 | themill | rjsalts: no, but a native thing is going to be a lot better behaved than something being shoved in |
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| 07:18.30 | Lady_Aleena | So I had to edit a lot of lines to remove the word wrapping. I will never use Kate again. |
| 07:18.55 | themill | You can make mistakes in notepad++ too. Doesn't make it a crap editor. |
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| 07:19.33 | Lady_Aleena | themill, at least when I make a mistake in Notepad++, I know how to easily fix it. I couldn't easily fix a mistake in Kate as quickly. |
| 07:20.04 | Lady_Aleena | Kate doesn't have everything I need. Notepad++ does. |
| 07:20.12 | themill | *shrug* |
| 07:21.00 | Lady_Aleena | I tried Scite, Emacs, Vim, and others and I couldn't find a text editor as good as Notepad++ for me. |
| 07:21.02 | themill | If you're going to reject all the suggestions made here then nothing is going to change. |
| 07:21.08 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: the 5 minute load average of 1.39 probably does mean you're going to notice it, assuming you have a single cpu |
| 07:21.32 | Lady_Aleena | themill, so you think my text editor is the problem, not KDE? |
| 07:21.59 | Darkalia | There is no right or wrong here. But sometimes, you need to adapt your environment to your hardware. You cannot expect "performances" if you start running multiple heavy memory/cpu consuming software on an rather "old" device. When you run "vmstat 5", how does look like the first column under "r" ? (skip the first line and wait at least 4-5 entries) |
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| 07:23.00 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: I don't think KDE is too troublesome looking at top. i.e. kded4 and kwin not big offenders on cpu or ram |
| 07:23.25 | anantshri | Lady_Aleena: I can understand your pain about editors but i do liked geany. I still have NP++ ready just in case but i make a point to use geany for all my work and so far its has not let me down. |
| 07:23.28 | themill | Lady_Aleena: I don't subscribe to the "blame everything on KDE with zero evidence" group. I do look at your top output and can see that java+wine+notepad are things that are either making trouble or going to make trouble. |
| 07:23.29 | centrx | rjsalts, They are represented in the Xorg process |
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| 07:24.04 | Lady_Aleena | Darkalia, please hold vstat 5 is still running. It will exit back to the prompt when done right? |
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| 07:24.18 | Darkalia | nope, you have to cancel it with Ctrl-c |
| 07:24.21 | kRush | quickest way to somewhat securely wipe a sata hdd? something with a progress bar/time estimate would be nice |
| 07:24.24 | centrx | rjsalts, For example, if you open up top, and just keep refreshing top with the space bar, it will shoot Xorg up 80% CPU usage |
| 07:24.32 | Darkalia | vmstat 5 5 would eecute it 5 times and exit |
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| 07:24.41 | centrx | rjsalts, Even though it is really top or xterm that you would think is using the CPU |
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| 07:25.14 | Lady_Aleena | Darkalia, I near a full screen of output from "vmstat 5" |
| 07:25.14 | themill | centrx: X is also displaying stuff. Do that and you'll see all three do work. |
| 07:25.27 | Darkalia | Ctrl-c :) |
| 07:25.55 | eblip | what is the best vidoe capture web cam thingy for debian |
| 07:25.56 | Darkalia | I just need to know if, the first line excepted, you have a number way above 0 in the first column ("r") |
| 07:26.38 | Lady_Aleena | Darkalia, done, now under "r" for the first few entries is 1 or 0, it goes to 2 on the 12th line. |
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| 07:27.49 | Darkalia | Well, it's not really a CPU issue then. Maybe it's working to it's full capacity, but I assume your load is near or under the number of cpu you have, am I right ? |
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| 07:28.44 | Lady_Aleena | Darkalia, I am not sure what you mean. |
| 07:29.07 | Lady_Aleena | Darkalia, sorry I am such a newbie to Linux and Debian and everything. |
| 07:30.25 | Darkalia | In your top command, you have a load average on top right corner |
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| 07:30.48 | Darkalia | This represents a "load" of your machine for the last 5, 10 and 15 minutes respectively |
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| 07:32.00 | Darkalia | This isn't really a clear metric, but if it's eally above the number of cpu you have, you can guess you have either too much pressure for your machine or a software has gone crazy in some way |
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| 07:32.19 | Darkalia | i.e : you have 2 CPUs, if the load is above 2, this isn't "good" |
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| 07:33.11 | Darkalia | But like I said, having 3 or 4 isn't really a problem. It's just that your system if working above its theoric capacity CPU wise, which is fine most of the time as long as you do not overload it |
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| 07:33.34 | Darkalia | Let's see something else : apt-get install sysstat and run mpstat -P ALL 5 5 |
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| 07:35.19 | Lady_Aleena | Darkalia, running it now. |
| 07:35.21 | yottanami | I use apt-get dist-upgrade that my system rebooted and then I used dpkg-reconfigure -a and now I have this errror http://dpaste.com/1576655/ How can I fix it ? |
| 07:36.03 | Lady_Aleena | Darkalia, which line do you want to look at? |
| 07:36.17 | centrx | Darkalia, It is one CPU, a single-core Pentium 4 from 2004 |
| 07:36.49 | Darkalia | centrx: ouch ... well |
| 07:38.03 | Darkalia | Lady_Aleena: can you see which one among %sys, %iowait, %irq and %soft is the highest if you average the 5 lines ? |
| 07:38.33 | Darkalia | Lady_Aleena: you will have 2 lines, "all" and "0" just look at one. Since you have only one cpu, this is the same line |
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| 07:38.45 | centrx | yottanami, What did you upgrade from and to? |
| 07:39.06 | Lady_Aleena | Darkalia, the highest is %idle at 78.56%, next is %usr at 18.08%. |
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| 07:40.16 | Darkalia | Lady_Aleena: wow. And you say you have slowness on your graphical environment ? |
| 07:40.35 | centrx | You have to start up Firefox and the music player to get an accurate reading |
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| 07:40.45 | Togusa | question: is it normal that cron is not working in debian when under openvz? |
| 07:40.55 | yottanami | centrx: It is wheezy and I used apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:40.56 | Lady_Aleena | Darkalia, not ALWAYS, but it does happen a lot especially when I just wake up my computer after being afk for several hours. |
| 07:41.05 | Togusa | i have 4 openvz containers running debian (i didn't install them) |
| 07:41.11 | Togusa | crontab hangs in all four |
| 07:41.15 | Togusa | *cron |
| 07:41.16 | centrx | yottanami, To upgrade to what? |
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| 07:41.39 | Darkalia | Lady_Aleena: and then it go smoothly again ? |
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| 07:41.46 | Darkalia | s/go/goes/ |
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| 07:42.18 | Lady_Aleena | Darkalia, for the most part. I still have slow response time in IceWeasel. |
| 07:42.50 | Lady_Aleena | Darkalia, also, when I type into Notepad++, the line scrolling is jerky. |
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| 07:43.25 | Kirito | Anyone here that runs a public SSH server with PasswordAuth enabled want to pastebin your output of "zgrep User /var/log/auth.log* | cut -d " " -f 11 | sort | uniq | while read line ; do echo -n $line" "; zgrep Failed /var/log/auth.log* | grep $line | wc -l; done | sort -n -k 2" for fun? :D - All my servers have SSH locked down, but I'd like to get some sample output to make sure this works properly. |
| 07:43.26 | yottanami | centrx: I dont know I just used apt-get dist-upgrade commadn |
| 07:43.50 | centrx | yottanami, Okay, can you pastie the file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:44.08 | Darkalia | If happens only after you wake up your computer, this is due to the way linux manages memory pages |
| 07:44.36 | centrx | !tell yottanami about paste |
| 07:44.41 | Lady_Aleena | Darkalia, that is when my system is at its worst. It takes forever to get itself sorted. |
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| 07:45.08 | yottanami | centrx: sure before that I know It contains wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 07:45.19 | Darkalia | Unused pages are flagged "dirty" after some time and can get freed if the information is available on your harddisk (aka a library) or read from your swap device (which is 500 times slower than RAM) for any anonymous pages you have |
| 07:45.35 | centrx | yottanami, Then you shouldn't have any trouble running apt-get dist-upgrade :) |
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| 07:45.44 | Lady_Aleena | Darkalia, I wish I knew what that all meant. |
| 07:45.51 | Darkalia | Editing an unsaved file or scrolling use a buffer that will fill anonymous pages, so it's normal |
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| 07:45.54 | centrx | yottanami, Unless you did not have wheezy before and you are trying to upgrade _to_ wheezy |
| 07:47.00 | yottanami | centrx: It was wheezy before, I did not change source.lst |
| 07:47.06 | Darkalia | Lady_Aleena: you cannot do anything really besides trying to get less memory consuming softwares. I agree with someone that running wine+notepad++ on this kind of device is maybe a bit too much |
| 07:47.07 | centrx | Okay |
| 07:48.26 | joj | Lady_Aleena: applications run through wine rely on an incomplete substitute for the original Windows API, which can lead to unpredicted and unapprecitated behaviour anytime. Graphics are particularly complicated, and results vary with the graphics driver that is being used, or the way the particular application (ab)uses API. Because graphics via wine tend to be more CPU-bound rather than using hardware accel |
| 07:48.28 | joj | where it would be possible, your results do not surprise at all. |
| 07:48.37 | centrx | yottanami, What happens if you run apt-get install python2.7-minimal |
| 07:49.23 | Lady_Aleena | Darkalia, if I could find a Linux text editor which does everything Notepad++ does, I would. However, after trying all of "the best" text editors for Linux out there and finding them all hard to manage, I went with Notepad++ in Wine. I just couldn't find the right fit. |
| 07:49.33 | joj | Lady_Aleena: if you can't appreciate vim/gvim, emacs, kate, gedit etc, you might try sublime text 2, which is a proprietary but widely appreciated editor. |
| 07:49.50 | joj | Lady_Aleena: besides, both vim and emacs are probably orders of magnitude more powerful than notepad++ |
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| 07:50.03 | Lady_Aleena | joj, I was told sublime was nagware which I can't abide. |
| 07:50.09 | centrx | Why does everyone like KDE so much |
| 07:50.17 | Zharf | who knows |
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| 07:50.32 | Darkalia | Would require more analyse while running it |
| 07:50.37 | Lady_Aleena | I am not liking KDE centrx for reasons. |
| 07:50.41 | cynfor | geany is the closest thing to np++ on linux |
| 07:50.52 | joj | centrx: I don't, thus I run my own flavour of DWM. But the GTK file chooser sucks so much ... |
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| 07:51.03 | Lady_Aleena | cynfor, I tried geany, it lacked something I can't remember. |
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| 07:51.36 | Lady_Aleena | joj, Emacs line wraps without an easy way to turn OFF line wrapping, IIRC. |
| 07:51.57 | Lady_Aleena | I can't stand programs which line wrap by default. |
| 07:51.58 | yottanami | centrx: http://dpaste.com/1576677/ |
| 07:52.31 | joj | Lady_Aleena: that's a lie. you can do anything in Emacs. Besides Emacs Lisp, emacs also has a nice setting menu where you can configure all those obvious options |
| 07:52.42 | joj | with mouse clicking and such |
| 07:53.05 | Lady_Aleena | joj, and Vim is a terminal based text editor, and I am not comfy running anything in the terminal other than simple commands. |
| 07:53.13 | Darkalia | try running vmstat 5 5 when you see the slowness and see if you have any number in the "so" ans "si" columns. If yes, you're using too much softwares at the same time for your memory to handle it |
| 07:53.20 | joj | Lady_Aleena: gvim is the GTK based version. |
| 07:53.31 | centrx | yottanami, Can you post your /whole/ sources.list There has to be something else wrong |
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| 07:53.59 | Lady_Aleena | Darkalia, hopefully I will remember that the next time. |
| 07:54.07 | joj | Lady_Aleena: in emacs: menu bar > options > Customize Emacs > Top-level customization groups |
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| 07:54.14 | Darkalia | Note it somewhere :) |
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| 07:55.36 | Lady_Aleena | joj, I tried Emacs, and there was something about it I did not like. |
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| 07:55.46 | deepfreez | Hi, i have a question: my debian running at 100% and i connot access anymore the computer! and i halted! |
| 07:56.00 | deepfreez | how i see in log if was compromised or what happend |
| 07:56.01 | |oop | you again eh |
| 07:56.05 | centrx | Looks like another person running KDE |
| 07:56.10 | joj | deepfreez: is it still hung up? |
| 07:56.11 | |oop | and your eternal search for an editor |
| 07:56.20 | deepfreez | joj i halted |
| 07:56.26 | yottanami | centrx: It is Rasbpian http://dpaste.com/1576685/ |
| 07:56.29 | joj | deepfreez: you cut the power? |
| 07:56.38 | deepfreez | joj, becouse connot access interface ! sssh ! anything |
| 07:56.56 | deepfreez | yes jojo, i cut the power |
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| 07:57.25 | joj | deepfreez: try the SysRq magic key next time: Alt+SysRq+ in order: REISUB |
| 07:57.28 | Darkalia | deepfreez: you cn check /var/log/messages once you get it back online and see if you see the magic word "OOM" somwhere :) |
| 07:57.31 | Lady_Aleena | |oop, search over, I just use Notepad++ in wine. I just found out in the past couple of hours it is gobbling resources. |
| 07:57.32 | centrx | yottanami, Ah, the truth comes out! |
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| 07:58.17 | joj | deepfreez: as for logfiles: you can peek at relevant logfiles in /var/log |
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| 07:58.37 | yottanami | centrx: :-) Is it different from Debian ? |
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| 07:59.16 | deepfreez | Darkalia, Jan 26 19:23:11 drumetii kernel: [ 41.156733] postgres (3646): /proc/3646/oom_adj is deprecated, please use /proc/3646/oom_score_adj instead. |
| 07:59.30 | centrx | yottanami, Yes |
| 07:59.56 | centrx | yottanami, One thing you could try is uninstalling all these packages that dpkg -configure -a is trying to configure |
| 07:59.57 | Darkalia | deepfreez: not that one. I was more thinking about "Out of Memory" |
| 08:00.06 | deepfreez | joj, thanks but the computer was frozen. |
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| 08:00.35 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell yottanami about raspberry |
| 08:00.36 | deepfreez | Darkalia, yes but... how! becouse i was worked all time! and in this time anyone not workend anything of him |
| 08:01.06 | yottanami | centrx: You mean : dictionaries-common, python3.2, idle-python3.2 ... ? |
| 08:01.13 | centrx | Yes |
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| 08:01.33 | Darkalia | deepfreez: sorry, but since english is not my native language, I might be wrong. But I didn't get what you want to say |
| 08:01.42 | joj | deepfreez: as long as the kernel didn't panic, the sysrq method should allow you to bring down the machine cleanly. cutting power could mean that logfiles were not written out fully to disk, i.e. data loss |
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| 08:02.33 | centrx | yottanami, It looks like either something wrong with Python, because those runpy errors and it is failing to install Python. |
| 08:02.42 | deepfreez | i found this in logs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6842507/ |
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| 08:03.18 | centrx | yottanami, Or it is some kind of hardware/driver-related problem, because there are all these IOErrors and read errors |
| 08:03.32 | joj | deepfreez: congratulations, your first kernel panic! |
| 08:03.33 | Darkalia | I agree with joj. If you're lucky you'll have some messages in the log if it was a memory issue. But if the reason was brutal, cutting the power will result in no log at all. The only way to debug such thing is to configure kdump for your system and use Sysrq magic command "crash" when your server goes unresponsive. |
| 08:03.36 | centrx | yottanami, That would coincide with the firmware update on mentioned on http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/release_notes.txt |
| 08:03.51 | centrx | yottanami, But I don't know what it is, it could just be broken packages... |
| 08:03.51 | deepfreez | joj, serious? why? |
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| 08:04.15 | centrx | yottanami, Note there is a channel for Raspbian, at #raspbian |
| 08:04.36 | ChrisH | deepfreez: Is that some kind of VM? paravirt_read_tsc |
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| 08:05.08 | deepfreez | i use virtualbox yes in him |
| 08:05.10 | centrx | yottanami, I would try there, either now, or during the daytime U.S. time or Europe time |
| 08:05.22 | deepfreez | but is linux is not virtualbox |
| 08:05.22 | joj | deepfreez: that I cannot tell you. I am no expert in analyzing kernel stack traces. But it is very likely that the problem pertains to some driver ... |
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| 08:05.49 | deepfreez | uff |
| 08:05.52 | Darkalia | joj: or hardware issue |
| 08:05.57 | joj | deepfreez: thus: can you think of a way to reproduce the problem? |
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| 08:06.14 | joj | deepfreez: what did you before the panic happened? |
| 08:06.18 | ChrisH | deepfreez: did you copy large files that time? |
| 08:06.39 | deepfreez | ChrisH, i was sleeping, do anything! |
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| 08:06.57 | Darkalia | joj : didn't read the virtualbox thing, forget what I said |
| 08:07.42 | ChrisH | deepfreez: Can you please paste some more lines before these tracees? I expect something like INFO: task XXX blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 08:08.12 | deepfreez | from /logs/message |
| 08:08.13 | deepfreez | no? |
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| 08:08.35 | ChrisH | deepfreez: yes... and add the kernel version please. |
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| 08:09.50 | deepfreez | ChrisH: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6842528/ |
| 08:10.07 | deepfreez | Linux drumetiimontane 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:10.20 | Lady_Aleena | wanders around. |
| 08:11.39 | deepfreez | was so bad to wake up and hear screaming computer |
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| 08:12.03 | deepfreez | and I could not access him. |
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| 08:13.24 | Lady_Aleena | didn't realize computers had genders. |
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| 08:13.41 | ChrisH | deepfreez: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=681887 looks similar. I would try a kernel from backports. |
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| 08:14.30 | deepfreez | Lady_Aleena, :) if owner is a she! the computer is a he! and conversely |
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| 08:15.01 | deepfreez | ChrisH, ah .. and what i need to do? |
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| 08:15.46 | joj | dpkg: tell deepfreez about backports |
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| 08:16.05 | deepfreez | never copile that |
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| 08:16.40 | ChrisH | deepfreez: no need to compile anything... this is debian not gentoo :) |
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| 08:17.20 | deepfreez | apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 08:17.27 | deepfreez | some of this |
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| 08:18.36 | ChrisH | deepfreez: you are running squeeze? If yes consider upgrading |
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| 08:19.43 | deepfreez | ah no sorry |
| 08:19.45 | deepfreez | wheezy |
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| 08:20.53 | deepfreez | what is the best mirror? |
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| 08:21.06 | phr | the broken one :D |
| 08:21.15 | ChrisH | deepfreez: the bot told you something. continue asking the bot until you got all needed information. /msg dkpk bdo kernel |
| 08:21.26 | phr | im out, need sleep ;) later guys |
| 08:22.04 | deepfreez | thanks |
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| 08:26.37 | deepfreez | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3 |
| 08:26.41 | deepfreez | need to install that? |
| 08:27.53 | ChrisH | deepfreez: if you have that card and want to use it, its better: firmware-linux-nonfree: /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin |
| 08:28.39 | deepfreez | i install firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 08:29.19 | deepfreez | tha ks |
| 08:29.25 | deepfreez | thanks* |
| 08:29.43 | deepfreez | never see a kernel in panic |
| 08:31.18 | Darkalia | deepfreez: won't be your last time, don't worry (in a way) |
| 08:31.46 | joj | hhm, maybe in kernel 4.0 |
| 08:31.56 | ChrisH | but they are less often as blue screens... AND you can get an idea of what happened. |
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| 08:32.11 | deepfreez | NOOOOO WINDOWS |
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| 08:32.31 | deepfreez | do panic attack when hear windows |
| 08:32.38 | joj | SOME_ERROR_IN at IRQ 0xaf8763debb1387281 |
| 08:32.39 | deepfreez | :)) |
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| 08:38.47 | martin-_-_ | hi |
| 08:39.14 | deepfreez | Ahahaha: This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers |
| 08:39.15 | martin-_-_ | i want to set with lightdm xfce as default but i got no command usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults -s |
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| 08:40.56 | Moor | Anyone on who can help me with a weird spot? |
| 08:41.34 | martin-_-_ | http://www.rqna.net/qna/pmkknq-how-to-install-lightdm-set-defaults.html there is no light-dm-set-defaults 0o |
| 08:41.44 | ChrisH | !smart questions |
| 08:41.44 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 08:42.11 | rfree | Moor: a doctor? |
| 08:42.25 | maasha | I build and installed a firewall on this debian server using fwbuilder. So far so good. But upon reboot iptables are back to scratch? fwbuilder installed a shell script in /etc/The Great Wall.fw |
| 08:43.00 | rfree | maasha: for start, why the file name has spaces in it? I would avoid that |
| 08:43.16 | rfree | this could be the problem (or not) |
| 08:43.22 | maasha | rfree: sure, but that was fwbuilder who did that. |
| 08:43.42 | rfree | it didn't ask you for name, it defaulted to "The Greate Wall" ? |
| 08:43.43 | maasha | rfree: I suppose there is something missing in /etc/init.d |
| 08:43.44 | Moor | I'm trying to install Wheezy on an Asus ultrabook S56C from a CD with the netinstall, but it's failimg to comnect to any network. |
| 08:44.40 | maasha | rfree: I named it in a GUI. I could not foresee that it would use that name to create a file name. However, unpracticale as spaces is on UNIX, I don't think it is the problem. |
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| 08:45.29 | rfree | maasha: I would try /etc/init.d/something.... start and look for errors. I don't use fwbuilder myself |
| 08:45.38 | Moor | Wireless -- it sees the public networks around, but it fails to connect to my hidden, WPA2 network. |
| 08:46.16 | maasha | rfree: but there is not any fwbuilder or iptables scripts in /etc/init.d/ that is my concern. |
| 08:46.17 | deepfreez | Hi, question about locale: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6842642/ |
| 08:46.28 | rfree | Moor: perhaps you can switch to other console and start network yourself using console tools? alt+ctrl+f2, enter... perhaps the tools, modules you need will be available after correct step of instalation. perhaps exprt mode can help too |
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| 08:46.40 | martin-_-_ | wired |
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| 08:46.46 | martin-_-_ | on debian its placed in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --session xfce4-session |
| 08:46.58 | Moor | Eth -- I've looked at debbug stuff, and it doesn't even think the enthernet is connected |
| 08:46.58 | martin-_-_ | and locate wasn't able to find lightdm-set-defaults 0o |
| 08:47.29 | maasha | The advice in the docs: http://www.fwbuilder.org/4.0/docs/users_guide5/load_policy_on_reboot.shtml indicate to me that they never tried on debian for themselves :o) |
| 08:48.18 | Moor | (sorry about slow and innacurate typing. I stink at typing on smartphones.) |
| 08:49.10 | ChrisH | Moor: Did you had Network during the installation process? If yes its most probably only missing firmware. |
| 08:49.16 | Moor | rfree: do you have anything specific I could try? |
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| 08:51.01 | Moor | I had network on Windows, yes. And I think it downloaded some of the packages it needed, but that could have juat been me misinterpreting it loading them from the disk. |
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| 08:51.59 | rfree | Moor: sorry, no, but I would just google for the wifi card model to check is it supported. in expert mode you can make sure all drivers are loaded, and then in console I would use the normal tools to use hidden wifi |
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| 08:53.45 | Moor | rfree: I have it plugged into ethernet now, though, and that aint working either. Or is it possible the ethernet card isn't supported, too? |
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| 08:53.57 | AlexC_ | G'morning |
| 08:54.36 | AlexC_ | Last night I started a tmux session with `tmux new-session -d -s upgrade`, and this morning I've made a new connection via SSH and running "tmux a" I get "no sessions". However if I look in htop, I see my tmux process running. Any ideas? |
| 08:54.37 | rfree | Moor: tools like "ip a" "ifconfig -a" ping 8.8.8.8 and so on. also it could help to restart installation then it should auto detect & use thernet, but using thoes tools it should work now too |
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| 08:56.12 | maasha | OK, putting /etc/firewall/TheGreatWall.fw in /etc/rc.local should work |
| 08:56.32 | Moor | ping 8.8.8.8 fails, ifconfig not found, if a gives info on both eth0 Ć nd wlan0 |
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| 08:57.23 | Moor | sorry, ip a |
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| 08:59.04 | rozie | Moor: ip link set eth0 up; ip a a your.addres.here/netmask; ip r a default via ip.of.router dev eth0; ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 08:59.53 | deepfreez | Hi, question about: virtualbox >> FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found. |
| 09:00.39 | rozie | deepfreez: you don't have module for current kernel. give aqemu a try - similar to vbox, no kernel module needed |
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| 09:01.13 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks for the help tonight everyone. Stay tuned for my next breakdown. |
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| 09:01.58 | deepfreez | rozie, no know how.... |
| 09:02.13 | nkuttler | deepfreez: install virtualbox-dkms |
| 09:02.50 | deepfreez | are installed |
| 09:03.04 | nkuttler | deepfreez: sounds like the module wasn't built properly then.. |
| 09:03.22 | Moor | is that ip a a {pick.an.open.ipaddress}/netmask ? |
| 09:03.58 | deepfreez | i install other kernel |
| 09:04.00 | nkuttler | deepfreez: what happens when you apt-get install --reinstall virtualbox-dkms? |
| 09:04.14 | nkuttler | deepfreez: well you have to use the debian kernel for which a module was built... |
| 09:04.35 | nkuttler | deepfreez: or built the module for your custom kernel |
| 09:04.49 | deepfreez | i reinstall |
| 09:05.00 | deepfreez | i need to delete virtualbox? and install again |
| 09:05.02 | nkuttler | deepfreez: that won't do anything if you use a different kernel |
| 09:05.07 | nkuttler | deepfreez: no |
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| 09:09.20 | Moor | Question: would downloading the full CD solve this? |
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| 09:10.36 | deepfreez | nkuttler, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6842728/ but /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup not exist |
| 09:11.46 | nkuttler | deepfreez: output of apt-cache policy linux-image-`uname -r` and uname -a |
| 09:11.52 | ChrisH | Moor: the firmwar issue? no, check (google) for the unoffical firmware netinst http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/ and find there a firmware image |
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| 09:13.22 | deepfreez | nkuttler, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6842739/ |
| 09:14.16 | nkuttler | deepfreez: always also paste the command you used, not just the output |
| 09:14.19 | Moor | ChrisH: Oh! Is that it? I just needed the nonfree fiemwared image? |
| 09:14.31 | nkuttler | deepfreez: and just run the command, uname -a |
| 09:14.33 | Moor | ... it didn |
| 09:14.47 | deepfreez | apt-cache policy linux-image-`uname -r` and uname -a |
| 09:14.56 | deepfreez | aaa i need to modify |
| 09:15.01 | Moor | 't say anything about that anywhwere... |
| 09:15.12 | Moor | Unless I missed it... |
| 09:15.18 | RoyK | hm... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6842741/ <-- I see some slight packet loss on eth1's RX packets. Any idea how to dig further into this? I've googled lots and increased buffers and qlen without this helping |
| 09:15.53 | deepfreez | nkuttler, Linux drumetiimontane 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.6-2~bpo70+1 (2014-01-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 09:16.41 | nkuttler | deepfreez: command + entire output of apt-get install --reinstall virtualbox-dkms |
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| 09:17.28 | nkuttler | deepfreez: no, wait.. |
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| 09:17.31 | deepfreez | nkuttler, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6842757/ |
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| 09:18.25 | nkuttler | deepfreez: well go read /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/make.log |
| 09:18.56 | deepfreez | nkuttler, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6842764/ |
| 09:19.39 | nkuttler | deepfreez: well, yeah, looks like the module doesn't build on the backported kernel |
| 09:19.57 | nkuttler | deepfreez: either file a bug, or use a stable kernel |
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| 09:20.01 | nkuttler | or both |
| 09:20.21 | deepfreez | yes |
| 09:20.31 | deepfreez | i install a other kernel |
| 09:20.39 | deepfreez | becouse my kernel are in panic |
| 09:20.45 | deepfreez | how i back my kernel |
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| 09:21.36 | deepfreez | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 09:21.46 | rozie | deepfreez: what is back? |
| 09:21.58 | deepfreez | i need to install back my kernel. |
| 09:21.59 | deepfreez | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 09:22.12 | rozie | dpkg -l | grep 3.2.0-4-amd64 ? |
| 09:22.12 | dpkg | ii | grep 3.2.0-4-amd64 3.2-2.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 09:22.49 | rozie | deepfreez: check if this is installed |
| 09:23.00 | rozie | paste the result |
| 09:23.11 | deepfreez | ii linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 3.2.51-1 amd64 Header files for Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 09:23.12 | deepfreez | ii linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 3.2.51-1 amd64 Linux 3.2 for 64-bit PC |
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| 09:23.40 | rozie | so it is installed. you can choose it from grub menu |
| 09:23.44 | rozie | on boot |
| 09:23.52 | deepfreez | how i do automatic? |
| 09:23.58 | deepfreez | to load when i reboot the computer |
| 09:24.01 | rozie | and if you want to make it default kernel, configure grub |
| 09:24.15 | deepfreez | how? |
| 09:24.30 | rozie | /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 09:24.33 | rozie | look for default |
| 09:25.43 | deepfreez | rozie, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6842777/ |
| 09:26.10 | deepfreez | need to delete Linux 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
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| 09:28.30 | JyZyXEL | # modprobe fglrx |
| 09:28.32 | deepfreez | comment! let se |
| 09:28.33 | JyZyXEL | modprobe: FATAL: Module fglrx not found. |
| 09:28.41 | JyZyXEL | how can this be, i've installed all the fglrx packages |
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| 09:29.50 | rozie | deepfreez: and where's default defined? |
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| 09:32.03 | JyZyXEL | looks like i needed to dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-modules-dkms |
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| 09:34.59 | RoyK | anyone that can help with strange packet loss? |
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| 09:44.30 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell RoyK about ask |
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| 09:51.13 | nkuttler | ,v quodlibet |
| 09:51.14 | judd | Package: quodlibet on i386 -- squeeze: 2.2.1-1; wheezy: 2.4-1; jessie: 3.0.2-3; sid: 3.0.2-3 |
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| 09:59.06 | rozie | RoyK: we can try, but only if you describe details |
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| 10:21.57 | deepfreez | Yay, I gave kernel a Xanax pill to not get panic attack. |
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| 10:23.02 | oznt | does some here have experience with /etc/update-motd.d? I have scripts there, but they dont seem to be running |
| 10:23.25 | kirkland | oznt: hi there, I'm the author of update-motd... are your scripts executable? |
| 10:23.44 | RoyK | rozie: thanks... 10:15 < RoyK> hm... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6842741/ <-- I see some slight packet loss on eth1's RX packets. Any idea how to dig further into this? I've googled lots and increased buffers and qlen without this helping |
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| 10:24.41 | oznt | kirkland, yes, they are, they also excute and write stuff in /var/run/motd |
| 10:24.49 | oznt | but this file is not read when i log in |
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| 10:27.21 | rozie | RoyK: you mean dropped? it's not a loss |
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| 10:27.31 | rozie | RoyK: http://www.novell.com/support/kb/doc.php?id=7007165 |
| 10:27.32 | RoyK | rozie: yes, I meant dropped. sorry |
| 10:27.51 | rozie | if you don't have other problems with network, just ignore |
| 10:28.05 | oznt | kirkland, well, that's a silly sollution, link /etc/motd to /var/run/motd |
| 10:28.18 | kirkland | oznt: right, okay, I think debian has a bug, in that /etc/motd is not linked to /var/run/motd |
| 10:28.33 | kirkland | oznt: in Ubuntu, we've always done that (linked /etc/motd to /var/run/motd) |
| 10:28.35 | ChrisH | RoyK: realtek card? |
| 10:29.01 | RoyK | rozie: ah - thanks. any idea if it's possible to get more info about these dropped packages? ChrisH no, e1000 driver, VM on ESXi |
| 10:29.17 | oznt | yes, the man page and the wiki is not very helpful \ |
| 10:29.28 | oznt | but I looked into ubuntu and found that it's a link |
| 10:29.45 | rozie | RoyK: there's debug descirbed in the link |
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| 10:31.07 | RoyK | rozie: erm - yes - but a full tcpdump/tshark is rather heavy - guess I'll try anyway :P |
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| 10:51.27 | RoyK | seems this poor server is having a few issues :P http://munin.hioa.no/munin/hioa.no/nat44.hioa.no/fw_conntrack.html |
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| 10:53.15 | ChrisH | RoyK: where do you see there an issue? This server having higher load from time to time. |
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| 10:54.07 | RoyK | ChrisH: well, we added anothe few hundred clients to it, and now it's almost impossible to login with ssh. can't seem to find anything in the logs. |
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| 10:55.32 | ChrisH | RoyK: then you should check for TCP Statistiks not connection ones |
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| 10:56.52 | RoyK | ChrisH: I need both |
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| 10:57.40 | deepfreez | Hi, |
| 10:57.48 | deepfreez | what are this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6843152/ , becouse are a lot... |
| 10:58.03 | deepfreez | are some popup on browser? |
| 10:58.09 | deepfreez | becouse not see anyhing on my interface |
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| 10:58.35 | RoyK | deepfreez: doesn't look very promising ;) |
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| 11:06.13 | sje46 | Hi, I'm on the newest version of debian. I can't access my virtual terminals. When I do control art Fx or do chvt ? directly it just brings me to a black screen with my prompt and no input/output whatsoever |
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| 11:07.46 | petn-randall | sje46: Do you have multiple screens? Or are you running a proprietary video driver? |
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| 11:08.13 | sje46 | Just the one screen on my laptop. No drivers I installed. |
| 11:08.34 | sje46 | This is a relatively vanilla install still, only had it for a month |
| 11:09.05 | abrotman | nvidia or fglrx? |
| 11:09.32 | ChrisH | RoyK: netstat -s can get you an initial idea. |
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| 11:10.06 | petn-randall | sje46: Hmm, so you're running X11, and changing to a VT doesn't work? Have you tried them all through? ctrl+alt+F1...F6? |
| 11:11.10 | sje46 | petn-randall: well I held alt and cycled through but I couldn't get to X |
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| 11:12.20 | petn-randall | sje46: X should be running on ctrl+alt+F7, so if you can't switch back, it might be more than a display problem. |
| 11:13.55 | sje46 | petn-randall: what are you thinkng |
| 11:15.19 | petn-randall | sje46: If you can't switch back to X11 at all (you can try restarting your login manager via ssh), maybe the kernel even crashed. Can you verify if the system is still running after changing VTs? |
| 11:15.36 | sje46 | Audio still plays. |
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| 11:16.01 | sje46 | (audio that is being played from flash in my browser) |
| 11:16.14 | sje46 | So I assume X11 is still on if the audio is still playing fine. |
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| 11:19.42 | petn-randall | sje46: Yeah, it will still be working then. Can you change back to X11 at all? You can also press ctrl + alt + right key until you hit X11. |
| 11:20.30 | sje46 | I can't change back at all. I have to cold-restart each time I try. |
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| 11:22.24 | petn-randall | sje46: Can you check the logs for any logged info before the cold reboot? Interesting files in /var/log: Xorg.1.log, kern.log, syslog. The latter two should have timestamps for orientation. The first one is the complete log of your second last X11 session. |
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| 11:27.30 | sje46 | petn-randall: sorry |
| 11:27.38 | sje46 | what should i look for in kern? |
| 11:28.24 | petn-randall | Does anyone know why, when I run "unavailable_command | less", it sends less to the background? |
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| 11:29.51 | petn-randall | sje46: If there are any error messages around the time when you switch to a VT and tried switching back to X11. It's possible that there's nothing at all. |
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| 11:30.28 | sje46 | I mean there are thousans of lines here |
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| 11:30.43 | sje46 | and I'm not sure what is from me switching over there and whats from me turning the computer off then on |
| 11:31.13 | sje46 | 6:31 |
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| 11:34.05 | petn-randall | sje46: run 'less /var/log/kern.log', then you can press 'end' to reach to the end. Press page up until you reach the timestamp that's roughly the time it happened. Then just paste the whole page to http://paste.debian.net. |
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| 11:36.40 | sje46 | petn-randall: yep was already doing that. hold on |
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| 11:39.44 | sje46 | http://pastebin.com/BeSSEDF2 @ petn-randall |
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| 11:48.33 | petn-randall | sje46: Meh, everything after line 6 is from the boot up, and everything before that looks innocent. |
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| 11:48.57 | petn-randall | sje46: What graphics card do you have? |
| 11:49.19 | petn-randall | sje46: and kernel? I'm guessing this is wheezy? |
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| 11:51.18 | sje46 | one second |
| 11:51.40 | martin-_-_ | i get internal error: libxenlight state driver is not active. how can i activate it? |
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| 11:52.09 | sje46 | http://pastebin.com/iG4iq2Lz @ petn-randall |
| 11:52.40 | sje46 | sorry, im horrible with hardware |
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| 11:55.25 | petn-randall | sje46: Radeon HD 6310, so this is quite current hardware. Might be a driver bug. Which kernel are you running? ā 'uname -a' |
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| 11:55.42 | sje46 | it is wheezy though3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 11:56.28 | petn-randall | sje46: Try a newer kernel from wheezy-backports and check if the problem still persists. It might be fixed in newer kernels. |
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| 11:57.38 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell shawnbon206 about crunchbang |
| 11:57.54 | sje46 | petn-randall: I've never installed a kernel before |
| 11:58.22 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell sje46 about wheezy-backports |
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| 11:58.30 | RoyK | ChrisH: thanks a bunch :) |
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| 12:00.12 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ok wolfs i not have tryed it thanks i try expert install/clear |
| 12:00.19 | petn-randall | sje46: After you enabled that repo, just do 'apt-get update', then 'apt-get install linux-image-amd64=wheezy-backports', both as root. |
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| 12:01.00 | sje46 | E: Version 'wheezy-backports' for 'linux-image-amd64' was not found |
| 12:01.42 | petn-randall | sje46: Did you follow the steps dpkg sent you? |
| 12:02.18 | sje46 | I added the line to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:02.30 | sje46 | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main |
| 12:02.46 | sje46 | ^what i put exactly. And I saved it under root. Then I did sudo apt-get update |
| 12:03.00 | petn-randall | sje46: oh, I had a typo. It should be: 'apt-get install linux-image-amd64/wheezy-backports'. Notice the / instead of =. |
| 12:03.50 | sje46 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:04.35 | sje46 | http://pastebin.com/bzkf8pcQ |
| 12:05.18 | petn-randall | sje46: 'apt-get install linux-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64' should give you another error message. You probably have to install initramfs from backports, too. |
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| 12:07.37 | sje46 | i have that installed i think? |
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| 12:08.06 | sje46 | i have initramfs-tools. Ther is also live-boot-initramfs-tools |
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| 12:09.42 | RoyK | erm... anyone using ipv6 here? we're using ipv6 on most machines these days, but I can't make it work on wheezy. No firewall enabled, no nothing, but even after autoconfig during install (it got an adress etc) it couldn't find anything over ipv6. |
| 12:09.46 | RoyK | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6843435/ |
| 12:10.00 | RoyK | any magick Debian tricks I should know? |
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| 12:10.59 | cesurasean | hey guys, i did a rm -R /etc/ssh, apt-get remove --purge ssh, then apt-get install ssh, but ssh's config file is not recreated. |
| 12:11.01 | Dagger | RoyK: nothing specific, it should just work |
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| 12:11.11 | cesurasean | how do i get /etc/ssh/ssh_config to recreate? |
| 12:11.16 | cesurasean | with default settings? |
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| 12:11.26 | Dagger | double-check that `ip6tables -vnL` is empty and the policies are set to ACCEPT |
| 12:11.54 | sje46 | petn-randall: so basically the idea is that I likely just have to install the new kernel meant for the next version of debian, right? |
| 12:11.56 | RoyK | Dagger: indeed - that's what we're saying too. ipv4 works like a dream, but ipv6 does not. I've doublechecked ip6tables - nothing there |
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| 12:14.52 | petn-randall | sje46: Right. I recall that you need an updates initramfs, too. Once you've installed both, you can simply restart and try the VT switching again. |
| 12:15.05 | Dagger | RoyK: does it work if you just let autoconf happen? (maybe the router doesn't have 2001:700:700:1::1 assigned or something) |
| 12:15.19 | sje46 | petn-randall: would apt-get install linux-image-flavour work? |
| 12:15.34 | sje46 | i mean would that install the testing kernel or just check for the wheezy one? |
| 12:16.01 | petn-randall | sje46: apt-get install linux-image-amd64 would pick the wheezy metapackage, and tell you that you've already installed that. |
| 12:16.04 | RoyK | Dagger: it has that address assigned. I can't ping anything else on that subnet either (on v6). and I did try autoconf during install and just after. It got an address, but I couldn't access any mirrors on v6 |
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| 12:16.50 | Zezinia | blank dvd 8.x GB , can't be read thro' k3b , but 4.x can be read & write ? any help pls my o/s debian |
| 12:17.04 | petn-randall | sje46: which is why you need to do 'apt-get install linux-image-amd64/wheezy-backports', which tells apt to pick the backports one. But it doesn't tell you straight away which packages need upgrading, too, which is why you need to find that out with 'apt-get install linux-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64'. |
| 12:17.57 | petn-randall | Zezinia: Does your DVD reader even support double layer DVDs? |
| 12:18.06 | sje46 | well I can't install the initramfs, petn-randall |
| 12:18.24 | petn-randall | sje46: What the error message you get with 'apt-get install linux-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64'? |
| 12:18.28 | petn-randall | *is |
| 12:18.34 | Zezinia | yes , and tried on windows7 o/s working as well |
| 12:19.03 | sje46 | http://pastebin.com/EvWDEu08 |
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| 12:19.42 | petn-randall | sje46: 'apt-get install linux-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 initramfs-tools/wheezy-backports' should fix it for you. |
| 12:19.57 | sje46 | Ohhhh |
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| 12:20.20 | sje46 | I didn't realize it wanted the initramfs from backports too. |
| 12:20.32 | sje46 | thank you petn-randall. Let's hope this works... |
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| 12:21.18 | sje46 | petn-randall: what's the bpo image and how is it differnt from the other one? |
| 12:21.25 | sje46 | do i have to install the non bpo one? |
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| 12:22.30 | Zezinia | petn-randall; any luck pls |
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| 12:22.52 | petn-randall | sje46: bpo stands for backports. It's kernel from testing that was recompiled for wheezy. linux-image-amd64 is a metapackage which points to the newest amd64 kernel available in that repo. If you want, you can install linux-image-amd64/wheezy-backports, and when in newer kernels show up there they will automatically be installed. |
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| 12:23.28 | petn-randall | Zezinia: What are the error message you get? |
| 12:23.29 | sje46 | metapackage means it downloads it automatically? |
| 12:23.35 | sje46 | sorry, just havent heard that before |
| 12:23.56 | shiin | Im getting status: not found when doing service salt-minion status despite the init script being there and working too when calling it with /etc/init.d/salt-minion status - google says there are a few other people who had that problem, but I dont know the solution. any ideas? |
| 12:24.16 | petn-randall | sje46: metapackage means it's basically an empty package (there are no files in it), and it just depends on another package or set of packages. |
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| 12:24.37 | sje46 | hmm |
| 12:24.40 | sje46 | okay, well, rebooting |
| 12:24.45 | petn-randall | sje46: Good luck! |
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| 12:25.11 | Zezinia | petn-randall; while like to make a copy asking me to insert blank disk , if capacity 8.xgb , never be seen but 4.xgb can be seen and working properly |
| 12:26.11 | petn-randall | Zezinia: I don't understand. Can you rephrase? |
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| 12:28.28 | Zezinia | petn-randall; well when 8.x gb inserted never read ? but 4.x GB can be read and configured - no error msge appeared |
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| 12:30.08 | petn-randall | Zezinia: Can you read the double layer DVD from your file manager? |
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| 12:32.24 | Zezinia | petn-randall; assumed need some configuration , i have made a copy thro' the win7 o/s (same DVD with the same capacity 8.x GB) |
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| 12:33.13 | petn-randall | Zezinia: I'm not asking if you can copy it (we know you can't), I'm asking if you can read it. |
| 12:33.29 | sje46 | petn-randall: welp. It didn't work. I did notice that I can actually kinda go back to X. When I do the alt right arrow thing it kinda flashes when i go to F8 and there is a glitch at the very top, about 4 or 5 pixels, and i can barely see my mouse moving there |
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| 12:34.13 | Zezinia | petn-randall; nope |
| 12:34.28 | petn-randall | sje46: Well, that a "small" improvement ... :/. I'm quite busy right now and out of ideas, maybe someone else can jump in. |
| 12:34.57 | sje46 | I think it was like that before, I just didnt realize it |
| 12:35.11 | sje46 | Also thank you for your help; i at least learned how to update my kernel |
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| 12:38.17 | biketron | Hello i do have an probem with my preseeded debian-installer and an custom package.......When i install it on an target all works fine and no error is reported, but when it is iconnfigured by the installer this freezes the machine and nothing more happens. In the postinstskript was an update-rc.d but i removed this for testing now and have the same issue. The package itself is just replacing some files like .profile motd and issue |
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| 12:40.40 | biketron | No ideas? |
| 12:44.04 | sje46 | biketron: sorry friend |
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| 12:46.15 | mallxs | Hi trying to install a new system (ASUS Maximus VI hero) using a netinstall 6.07 But it doesn't supported the Eth card [8086:153b] (rev 05) pls advice, where can i check if the newer netinstall will support it ? |
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| 12:48.26 | biketron | you would need to check if the new kernel with the new webinstall supports your card |
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| 12:50.38 | asperon | hi guys, can anybody give me any pointers on how to setup a centralised user authentication system running debian with win/osx/linux clients? something that samba shares and other network resources can check their credentials against? is samba as PDC the best way? |
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| 12:52.07 | hikenboot | hello I am getting the following apt-get update error. I have cleaned my sources.list.d directory W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/Release Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-x64/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
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| 12:52.51 | FUZxxl | Hello! |
| 12:53.05 | FUZxxl | Is there a way to install debian w/o having to install an X-server? |
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| 12:53.13 | FUZxxl | sorry |
| 12:53.14 | petern_ | Yes, you just install Debian. |
| 12:53.19 | FUZxxl | Is there a way to install TeX w/o having to install an X-server? |
| 12:53.22 | petern_ | Ah :P |
| 12:53.27 | biketron | hikenboot i think the xorrect arch would be amd64 |
| 12:53.29 | themill | hikenboot: can you pastebin your sources.list and the full output for us? |
| 12:53.47 | FUZxxl | If I try to install texlive-base, it tries to pull an X server. |
| 12:53.58 | hikenboot | sure which pastebin site do you prefer |
| 12:54.04 | FUZxxl | I don't need an X-Server to run TeX |
| 12:54.11 | themill | hikenboot: paste.debian.net is good |
| 12:54.18 | hikenboot | ok hold on and thanks |
| 12:54.21 | themill | FUZxxl: can you pastebin the full output please? |
| 12:54.26 | petern_ | use --no-install-recommends |
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| 12:55.08 | themill | FUZxxl: it would help if we knew precisely what you meant by "an X-Server" here |
| 12:55.25 | hikenboot | http://paste.debian.net/79196/ |
| 12:55.45 | FUZxxl | petern_: Ah, that works. Thank you! |
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| 12:56.41 | themill | hikenboot: what's the output of "dpkg --print-architecture; apt-cache policy; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" |
| 12:56.54 | petern_ | it doesn't pull in xorg |
| 12:57.13 | petern_ | but it does pull in stuff like xterm and libdrm stuff for intel/nvidia/radeon... |
| 12:58.07 | hikenboot | http://paste.debian.net/79197/ |
| 12:58.42 | themill | hikenboot: what's the x64 for? there's no debian architecture for that |
| 12:59.22 | hikenboot | yes it was a typo some time ago when trying to go from x86 arch for wine and winetricks...how do i fix |
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| 13:00.03 | FUZxxl | petern_: Why do I need graphic drivers?! I don't even have a graphic environment. |
| 13:00.17 | FUZxxl | Having some accell for my TTY would be nice though. |
| 13:00.28 | themill | FUZxxl: real output would still be helpful... |
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| 13:01.09 | themill | hikenboot: it's also not called x86 btw, it's i386. use "dpkg --remove-architecture" to reverse the process |
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| 13:01.39 | FUZxxl | themill: The machine I'm working on is my home server which is not supposed to have X installed. |
| 13:01.57 | FUZxxl | I still want TeX to compile documents when I'm remoting in from a Windows box. |
| 13:02.12 | FUZxxl | Or any other box that has no TeX |
| 13:02.18 | themill | That's fine, I still want to see real output... |
| 13:02.42 | rozie | FUZxxl: you can disable installing recommended and suggested packages in apt.conf |
| 13:02.45 | FUZxxl | themill: I have a line printer attached to my /dev/lp0 |
| 13:02.52 | FUZxxl | rozie: Thanks |
| 13:02.54 | hikenboot | thanks..very much...last question...is there a good debian source for wine and winetricks...I am trying to get virtualcenter to run on debian (to eliminate windows use) |
| 13:03.06 | rozie | so if X server is not really needed (depends) it won't be installed |
| 13:03.06 | themill | FUZxxl: that's nice. |
| 13:03.31 | FUZxxl | BTW, does anybody know why many framebuffer drivers are blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d? |
| 13:04.12 | rozie | Pakiet: texlive-base |
| 13:04.23 | rozie | Sugeruje: perl-tk, xpdf-reader | pdf-viewer, ghostscript, gv | postscript-viewer |
| 13:04.37 | hikenboot | I would prefer not to have to use debian bleeding edge if I can avoid it |
| 13:04.38 | rozie | so probably that's why X server was installed |
| 13:04.52 | themill | rozie: Suggests aren't included by default |
| 13:05.09 | rozie | since when? |
| 13:05.14 | themill | they never have been |
| 13:05.17 | themill | and in the absence of real output, we're still left speculating |
| 13:05.47 | FUZxxl | hikenboot: Debian and bleeding-edge are two words that rarely appear in the same sentence |
| 13:06.35 | hikenboot | Debian unstable then but I am afraid to get it working I might just have to do that with wine...would i be better compiling from source |
| 13:07.34 | rozie | OK, suggested are not enabled by default, recommended are |
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| 13:08.53 | themill | yeah |
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| 13:09.42 | petern_ | and that was changed a long time ago |
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| 13:14.28 | caraconan | Hi there. How can I copy the local folders of my old e-mail account to the new one? |
| 13:14.50 | caraconan | I just copy the files, closed icedove, open it up again but I just can see the new account e-mails, not the old ones |
| 13:15.28 | caraconan | I copied the INBOX file across directories (imap.example.com -> Mail/Local Folder) |
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| 13:16.14 | themill | caraconan: I have vague memories of having to tell icedove that the folders existed (but it must be 6 or 7 years ago so it's pretty vague) |
| 13:16.56 | caraconan | First time I use icedove, so basically what I want to do is to recuperate the e-mails of my old e-mail account |
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| 13:17.04 | caraconan | I did the switch of provider today |
| 13:17.07 | themill | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Transferring_data_to_a_new_profile_-_Thunderbird |
| 13:17.31 | caraconan | Thanks, I'll read it |
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| 13:18.40 | themill | you don't need to start a new profile and do all that just because you changed your email address |
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| 13:19.48 | TheWarden | Hi |
| 13:20.13 | TheWarden | I have a system that oddly doesn't seem to run my cron job. How can I figure out why it's not being triggered? |
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| 13:21.21 | epsilon | is there a process /usr/sbin/cron running? |
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| 13:21.42 | TheWarden | epsilon: yes |
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| 13:23.24 | epsilon | grep '/USR/SBIN/CRON' /var/log/syslog <-- does it list the job at all / the job you want to run? |
| 13:24.25 | TheWarden | epsilon: yes it is listed there. |
| 13:25.09 | epsilon | if your desired job is listed there, then it's been executed |
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| 13:26.18 | TheWarden | epsilon: well that is rather odd then because nothing is happening. Yet the same job runs fine on another system. |
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| 13:27.37 | TheWarden | here is what I have for the entry for the crontab and the script that it's suppose to run https://gist.github.com/thewarden/c53fe9fd514e96ef9cd7 |
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| 13:28.40 | epsilon | ehh yea. now go change your password, it#s exploited. |
| 13:29.05 | TheWarden | oh yeah I know, no matter... it's a test. not an issue. I always change them frequently. |
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| 13:29.54 | epsilon | if you run the command in shell, you get what you want, or any error message? |
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| 13:34.00 | jack008 | HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE |
| 13:34.32 | epsilon | .oO chinese new year thingy? |
| 13:34.36 | jack008 | today is chinese new year date. |
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| 13:34.44 | babilen | ā #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:35.04 | jack008 | yes,wish everyone happy everyday. |
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| 13:36.16 | TheWarden | epsilon: if I run it manual the script runs fine. |
| 13:36.42 | waqstar | Why is Iptables not in /etc/init.d?! |
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| 13:37.56 | TheWarden | epsilon: oddly too the getdata.log is never produced. I even changed the path to the user's directory that the crontab was created under and still nothing. |
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| 13:38.37 | ChrisH | waqstar: maybe because its in iptables-persistent ? |
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| 13:38.55 | epsilon | TheWarden: is the shell environment the same in crontab? |
| 13:39.14 | themill | no |
| 13:39.19 | TheWarden | epsilon: well as far as I know but I'm not sure how to verify that. |
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| 13:40.27 | epsilon | for the process it's in own (default) shell environment, you may need to define SHELL, PATH, LANG |
| 13:41.11 | waqstar | ChrisH, nope |
| 13:41.26 | waqstar | Is it even running! How do I check |
| 13:41.27 | epsilon | TheWarden: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2388087/how-to-get-cron-to-call-in-the-correct-paths see the example with SHELL= PATH=, that's what I mean |
| 13:42.07 | themill | waqstar: there's no iptables daemon, it's a set of rules. |
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| 13:43.19 | waqstar | themill, By default where does it store rules? |
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| 13:43.35 | epsilon | waqstar: iptables is just a tool to tell kernel what to do with packets |
| 13:44.05 | TheWarden | epsilon: okay, I'll try that. I'm waiting a couple more minutes to see if this will run again as added that exec at the top to dump out to a log. I think the first time I put that in it didn't run because not enough time between check in and the actual time the job was to run. |
| 13:44.30 | epsilon | waqstar: what you can do is, to create a list of iptables commands, write in init.d/firewall and execute on bootup |
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| 13:45.13 | epsilon | waqstar: beside that, take a look on iptables-<tab><tab> |
| 13:45.35 | abrotman | waqstar: there is no default location |
| 13:45.41 | themill | waqstar: in the running kernel. (you want iptables-persistent as already indicated) |
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| 13:45.53 | abrotman | waqstar: /sbin/iptables -L -n if you want to see if there are any currently loaded |
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| 13:46.45 | abailarri | Hello. I configured my server with bind9 to have a dns nameserver. I buyed 2 domain (.net and .es). I configured the bind but the .net works and .es no. Any sugestion please= |
| 13:46.47 | abailarri | ? |
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| 13:47.00 | Martin_vW | Hi. We're seeing a lot of segfaults of SpamAssassin on many different servers; I believe that is due to a bug in either SpamAssassin or perl. I've filed a bug ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=732550 ), but there hasn't been a reaction yet. Does anyone have advice how I could debug this further? |
| 13:47.29 | TheWarden | epsilon: okay this makes no sense. I changed the crontab like so 45 7 * * * /home/pi/getdata.sh |
| 13:48.00 | TheWarden | epsilon: and then I ran grep '/USR/SBIN/CRON' /var/log/syslog and there is nothing showing for Jan 30 07:45:00 |
| 13:48.05 | ChrisH | abailarri: did you check the delegation of both domains? something like nslookup -q=ns mydomain.es 8.8.8.8 |
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| 13:49.55 | TheWarden | epsilon: shouldn't there be an entry in the results for 7:45am? |
| 13:50.01 | abailarri | ChrisH, the command returns me: ** server can't find example.es: SERVFAIL |
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| 13:50.25 | epsilon | TheWarden: yes, cron is executing it and writes log in syslog |
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| 13:50.48 | TheWarden | epsilon: well I changed the crontab like I showed you from 7am to 7:45am and it never ran. |
| 13:51.08 | petern_ | using crontab -e? |
| 13:51.09 | epsilon | TheWarden: add a job like: * * * * * touch /home/pi/foo |
| 13:51.16 | petern_ | or is it in /etc/cron.d* |
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| 13:51.37 | ChrisH | abailarri: recheck with a kown working domain. |
| 13:51.48 | waqstar | I have created a new rule to drop block an IP address using: iptables -A INPUT -s 46.28.69.75 -j DROP |
| 13:51.55 | TheWarden | epsilon: okay I'll try that. |
| 13:51.57 | epsilon | it should touch the file every minute and writes in syslog. try if this is working |
| 13:52.05 | waqstar | However it does not list it in iptables -L -n |
| 13:52.08 | abailarri | ChrisH, with an other domain works |
| 13:52.19 | TheWarden | petern_: no it's not in there. |
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| 13:53.41 | themill | Martin_vW: getting more information is the tricky bit here... it doesn't sound very reproducible. Perhaps corekeeper could help? |
| 13:54.23 | ChrisH | abailarri: then the delegation of your new domain at your spanish NIC did not work, is not finished, was never orderd |
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| 13:55.03 | abailarri | ChrisH, it is not my problem, no? Is problem of the domain registrant? |
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| 13:57.45 | ChrisH | abailarri: if you ordered and paid for it, its their duty. |
| 13:57.52 | abailarri | ok |
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| 13:59.22 | ChrisH | abailarri: but some NICs do not allow a single Nameserver or two nameservers in the same IP network as DNS |
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| 13:59.57 | abailarri | o, shit :( |
| 14:00.10 | abailarri | I think that its my case |
| 14:00.49 | themill | also SERVFAIL is not NXDOMAIN |
| 14:01.33 | ChrisH | abailarri: you might want to give us the domainname, so we can have a check on our own |
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| 14:02.31 | abailarri | ChrisH, how? |
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| 14:03.08 | ChrisH | whois, nslookup, dig... but first check with esnic if the registration was done |
| 14:04.04 | jack008 | what u do with linux ? |
| 14:06.05 | TheWarden | epsilon: okay this is confusing. I added the job like you said * * * * * touch /home/pi/test.txt |
| 14:06.24 | TheWarden | epsilon: here is the results, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/c53fe9fd514e96ef9cd7 see the third file down. |
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| 14:07.30 | TheWarden | epsilon: what is odd is that I guess the log uses UTC instead of the tiemzone I have set. also again /home/pi/getdata.sh only ran at 7am yet it never ran at 7:45am or 8am. If I can't make it run how can I figure out what is going on. |
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| 14:09.08 | Gerben | Hello. I've got a strange but most likely easy problem. In our datacenter, I have a new host that I can ping from other hosts within the same network, from the host itself I can also ping other hosts, but I can't reach the router from this new host. |
| 14:09.21 | Gerben | I also can't get traffic routed through it |
| 14:09.38 | Gerben | It should have 2 interfaces, but I disabled the other one for troubleshooting |
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| 14:09.53 | TheWarden | epsilon: I added PATH and SHELL to the crontab so will see at 12 mins after the hour if the job runs for getdata.sh. |
| 14:10.04 | ChrisH | Gerben: quick guess: incorrect netmask |
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| 14:11.01 | Gerben | ChrisH, no, it is the same as a working server |
| 14:12.30 | Gerben | hmm |
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| 14:12.56 | ChrisH | Gerben: check ip route get ROUTERIP and compare the output to the expected |
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| 14:13.46 | TheWarden | epsilon: nope the job never ran again. according to the results from grep '/USR/SBIN/CRON' /var/log/syslog. Yet the new job ran fine for issuing the touch command. |
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| 14:17.08 | DammitJim | can one use different users for different servers when using cluster ssh? |
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| 14:33.08 | TheWarden | log entries into the syslog are suppose the use the date time of your set timezone correct? |
| 14:33.43 | epsilon | yes |
| 14:34.46 | epsilon | try a job * * * * * /bin/date > /home/pi/test.txt, you get the date output in the file |
| 14:35.05 | epsilon | (i don't think this is the issue, but to be sure) |
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| 14:35.11 | TheWarden | okay well that is what is odd on this system then... as the logs appear to be in UTC yet the system is set to -6 |
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| 14:36.59 | pfote | can remember a discussion on #logstash where some ppl sticked to the position "logs should be in UTC" .. maybe its configurable |
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| 14:38.20 | TheWarden | I just set a cron job to run at 14:35 instead of 8:35am my time and it ran just a few minutes ago. what the heck is going on. I set the timezone. I checked date and its correct. I checked /etc/timezone and it returns the correct value. |
| 14:38.21 | Martin_vW | themill: thanks, I've installed corekeeper. I'll wait for a few days to see if it collects anything. |
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| 14:40.38 | epsilon | TheWarden: i just booted my rpi: did you check sudo raspi-config -> 4 intl options -> timezone? |
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| 14:41.10 | TheWarden | that test will not work as date is accurate when I run it now. yet the syslog is not. |
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| 14:41.59 | TheWarden | epsilon: yes I did check that and it's set right but I did go through the passes and set it again. |
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| 14:43.12 | TheWarden | date returns correct time and timezone based on what I set the timezone to be. However the syslog is returning UTC time and the cronjobs run on UTC. I proved that when setting a job to run at 14:35 and it ran that at 8:35am just moments ago. |
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| 14:44.54 | TheWarden | the reason why I said my original job was not being ran at 7am my timezone is because it was being ran but not until 1pm each day instead of 7am my time because that 1pm is UTC time. this is so strange I have no idea how this can be fixed. |
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| 14:45.39 | epsilon | ok hard to tell, cause i left my rpi in UTC... |
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| 14:46.17 | TheWarden | I have other rpi that work as expected except this one. Heck I have three others that work fine. |
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| 14:50.20 | thoonai | hi |
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| 14:51.13 | thoonai | Im having issues with my nginx. though I startet the php-fcgi instance, it refuses the connection for the webserver |
| 14:51.37 | Incentive | hm, been a while since I've used debian. gnome 3 is .. interesting |
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| 14:54.41 | nse | the last question I don't know what to do. yes, Incentive, gnome 3 is very good |
| 14:55.21 | Incentive | i'm a bit confused as to where all of the customization settings seem to have disappeared to |
| 14:55.49 | Incentive | going to look through the help file some :P |
| 14:55.57 | nse | :) |
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| 14:56.28 | thoonai | Im having issues with my nginx. though I startet the php-fcgi instance, it refuses the connection for the webserver |
| 14:57.09 | Kirito | Is there a reason you're using php-fcgi over php-fpm to start? |
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| 14:57.31 | thoonai | Kirito: no theres no reason |
| 14:57.55 | Kirito | You should consider setting up php-fpm over fcgi then, before bothering much further. |
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| 14:58.26 | Kirito | It's easier and generally better to work with |
| 14:58.39 | thoonai | ok |
| 14:58.43 | thoonai | thanks for that |
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| 14:59.08 | thoonai | I think the whole script/cgi/whateverstuff is hell on earth |
| 14:59.19 | thoonai | theres no standard system somehow |
| 14:59.22 | thoonai | :/ |
| 14:59.38 | thoonai | I want to set up davical |
| 14:59.46 | thoonai | with nginx |
| 14:59.55 | Kirito | With Nginx, php-fpm is pretty much the modern standard |
| 14:59.59 | Kirito | ..for PHP anyways |
| 15:01.10 | Kirito | http://wiki.davical.org/index.php?title=Nginx_Config |
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| 15:01.14 | Kirito | This might be a good start for you. |
| 15:01.52 | Kirito | Even though that config looks a bit off :l it's on their official-ish Wiki |
| 15:01.59 | Kirito | It should probably work anyways |
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| 15:03.52 | thoonai | wot? I addex index.html to the list and it worked? o.O why it tells my that it can't connect to the php socket? |
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| 15:04.43 | thoonai | Kirito: thanks |
| 15:05.31 | Kirito | You might want to ask in #nginx if you have nginx related questions |
| 15:06.05 | thoonai | ok it still sucks and can't connect to php socket |
| 15:06.09 | Stevie-O | Okay, first question: There is a package (cvs2svn) that is in squeeze, wheezy, and sid, but *not* in jessie. I pulled the source packages from sid and it FTBFS. Would that be the reason for the package not appearing in jessie, even as source? |
| 15:06.26 | thoonai | Kirito: have to go, lecture starts, goodbye |
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| 15:06.32 | Kirito | Bye bye |
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| 15:13.48 | leo-the-manic | I want to install a tool that can be used without sudo (or with passwordless sudo) by two user accounts. My thought is to create a 3rd user account with no password and edit sudoers appropriately, but my question is can I get a shell session for that user without them having a password? A normal login session (e.g. where $HOME is /home/passwordlessuser) |
| 15:14.10 | leo-the-manic | Or would it make more sense for them to not have a home directory, just build the software I want as a different user and chown it after I'm done to the passwordless user? |
| 15:15.24 | ghostrat | yes |
| 15:16.29 | zinx | leo-the-manic: you can do any of those things |
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| 15:18.55 | leo-the-manic | Oh... login has -f switch. I guess reading the manpage is a good idea, sorry |
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| 15:30.53 | relipse | how do i "su" to root and supply a password |
| 15:30.59 | relipse | on the same line? |
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| 15:31.20 | relipse | actually how do i authorize user "foo" to do "su" without password prompt |
| 15:31.47 | SirLagz | relipse: you don't |
| 15:31.52 | Incentive | add them to the sudoers list? |
| 15:31.55 | SirLagz | relipse: you could authorise a user to use *sudo* though |
| 15:32.15 | relipse | how do i do that? |
| 15:32.23 | SirLagz | relipse: what are you trying to do ? |
| 15:32.38 | relipse | i was using root but i created an account for myself to be on the safe side |
| 15:33.06 | SirLagz | relipse: what you can do is add your account to the sudoers list without a password. then you could do `sudo command` and it won't ask you for a password |
| 15:33.29 | relipse | how do i add to sudoers list? |
| 15:33.40 | SirLagz | http://askubuntu.com/questions/192050/how-to-run-sudo-command-with-no-password <-- that should give you a pretty good idea |
| 15:33.52 | SirLagz | relipse: just replace the ubuntu user with your user |
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| 15:37.54 | TIBS01 | hiya can someone give me a hand plz |
| 15:38.22 | cusco | just ask |
| 15:38.54 | TIBS01 | when i install debian on my 1950 dell power edge |
| 15:39.16 | TIBS01 | its asking for a driver from a memory stick |
| 15:39.25 | TIBS01 | which ive got here with all sorts of .fw files on it |
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| 15:39.46 | TIBS01 | but it still wont pick it up when i plug it in ill paste what the file it |
| 15:39.47 | TIBS01 | is |
| 15:39.50 | TIBS01 | but i cant find it to download |
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| 15:40.36 | TIBS01 | bnx2-mips-06-6.2.1.fw its for two gb broadcom nics |
| 15:41.23 | TIBS01 | ? |
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| 15:44.32 | SirLagz | TIBS01: what driver is it asking for ? |
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| 15:45.02 | ChrisH | TIBS01: are you using a netinst media? |
| 15:45.12 | TIBS01 | yeah |
| 15:45.15 | TIBS01 | bnx2-mips-06-6.2.1.fw |
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| 15:46.05 | ChrisH | TIBS01: I would recommend to restart using http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/ to get a netinst with firmware included |
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| 15:46.45 | TIBS01 | erm |
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| 15:47.17 | TIBS01 | ok dokie |
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| 15:50.20 | TIBS01 | ill wait in ere |
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| 15:50.23 | TIBS01 | and give it another go |
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| 15:51.34 | Incentive | I seem to recall using a version of 'top' for network usage in the past, am I dreaming or does this exist? |
| 15:51.47 | Incentive | console tool to list processes along with network usage |
| 15:51.49 | kRush | iftop |
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| 15:53.12 | Incentive | excellent, exactly the tool, thanks |
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| 15:54.56 | lroe | When installing debian the first non-user added gets automatically added to certain groups. Is there a way after the fact to create another use configured exactly as the first? |
| 15:55.04 | lroe | non-root-user* |
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| 15:57.42 | Kafetist_ | what is the better-than-xset or xinput mouse speed adjuster? |
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| 15:58.55 | Kafetist_ | when i google mouse speed all I get are articles about xset, which isn't even real mouse speed adjuster it's somekind of simple acceleration tool, which doesn't even go near to adjusting the speed itself |
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| 16:01.07 | Kafetist_ | I move my mouse like 1/100mm and it goes from the left end of the screen to right end, why would I wan't to add acceleration? wouldn't it be more important to just adjust the speed itself? |
| 16:01.13 | DammitJim | what is a good remote desktop connection manager for linux? |
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| 16:06.20 | jelly | autobahn |
| 16:06.33 | Kafetist_ | and seriously |
| 16:06.41 | Kafetist_ | xset and fractions? |
| 16:06.51 | Kafetist_ | go fuck yourself xset guy |
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| 16:12.35 | TIBS02 | hiay |
| 16:12.37 | TIBS02 | hiya |
| 16:12.45 | TIBS02 | i just burned it |
| 16:13.01 | TIBS02 | and tried to put the network driver on but it still isnt working |
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| 16:13.21 | TIBS02 | same error im getting with the broadcom nic drivers |
| 16:13.26 | abrotman | lay off the enter key |
| 16:13.36 | TIBS02 | .. |
| 16:14.17 | jhutchins | ,pciid 10de:03ef |
| 16:14.18 | judd | [10de:03ef] is 'MCP61 Ethernet' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'forcedeth', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:03ef and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 16:14.19 | TIBS02 | its saying bnx/bnc2-mips-06-6.2.1.fw needs tobe working |
| 16:14.30 | TIBS02 | load from missing media |
| 16:14.35 | abrotman | !enter |
| 16:14.35 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:14.46 | bullgard4 | '~$ aptitude show <packagename>' will print (among other things) the debtags of the package named <packagename> following Ā»Tags<.Ā«. Are there alternative commands to do the same? |
| 16:14.56 | TIBS02 | how can i fix it on the 1950 dell poweredge ? |
| 16:15.02 | abrotman | bullgard4: apt-cache show |
| 16:15.58 | TIBS02 | ? |
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| 16:16.35 | TIBS02 | any ideas ? |
| 16:16.39 | bullgard4 | abrotman: Yes indeed. - Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 16:17.35 | abrotman | bullgard4: there is also a debtags command to search the tags |
| 16:17.50 | TIBS02 | no one wanna help me |
| 16:17.51 | TIBS02 | cheer |
| 16:17.53 | TIBS02 | s |
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| 16:18.28 | bullgard4 | abrotman: Yes. I have already used it a little bit. I am still endeavoring this area. |
| 16:19.38 | mtn | TIBS02: which iso did you burn? |
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| 16:19.58 | TIBS02 | the one that i was told 7.3 |
| 16:20.15 | mtn | TIBS02: what is it's name, please |
| 16:20.22 | TIBS02 | http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/ |
| 16:20.37 | TIBS02 | amd64 net indtl |
| 16:20.40 | mtn | TIBS02: that is not an iso, which iso did you burn to disk? |
| 16:20.42 | TIBS02 | install |
| 16:21.06 | Kafetist_ | lol seriously, you guys get like a fucking flood of joins and quits and you whine some enter-happy guy? |
| 16:21.09 | TIBS02 | amd64 netinst iso |
| 16:21.22 | mtn | gives up |
| 16:21.27 | Kafetist_ | make the mouse work first |
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| 16:21.51 | ChrisH | TIBS02: you have been asked several times for the filename. Noone here asked just for fun any question. |
| 16:21.52 | TIBS02 | so debian not gonna work with these nic cards |
| 16:21.55 | Kafetist_ | it's fucking 2014 and we can levitate particles and spin them around using sound waves and you can't even make a program that adjusts mouse speed |
| 16:22.04 | Kafetist_ | and talking about making linux more approachable |
| 16:22.10 | Kafetist_ | you make me laugh |
| 16:22.12 | petn-randall | Kafetist_: I've got the JOIN/PARTS/QUITS on ignore. Also please stop cursing excessively. |
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| 16:22.38 | Incentive | Kafetist_, well, levitating particles isn't very user friendly either |
| 16:22.38 | Incentive | ;) |
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| 16:22.49 | TIBS02 | i guess it aint gonna work with the 1950 then |
| 16:23.30 | petn-randall | Kafetist_: Yes, it's 2014. Just use your desktop environment's mouse config to change the mouse speed. |
| 16:24.05 | Kafetist_ | petn-randall, the thing controls xset which just accelerates my mouse, which definately is not what I want to do. |
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| 16:25.13 | petn-randall | Kafetist_: I have to knobs in my GUI. One for sensitivy, one for acceleration. |
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| 16:26.47 | gisli | So, how are you guys managing debian deployments to hardware? It has to be able to take input from someone that's not "linux-smart" (he needs to type in IP,hostname,etc). Any ideas? |
| 16:27.02 | gisli | That is, automatic deployments |
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| 16:29.39 | jhutchins | gisli: preseed. |
| 16:29.56 | ChrisH | TIBS02: Last comment from me... You do not answer the question you got. From putting dell 1950 debian into google I find it will work. |
| 16:30.19 | Incentive | just installed debian 7.3 and youtube isn't working by default - html5 version. is this a problem on my side somehow or is there a known fix? |
| 16:30.20 | abrotman | gisli: preseed or FAI |
| 16:30.38 | tom_768364 | excuse me,does anyone know how to change the language of vlc? i can't find the "language"option in preference |
| 16:30.56 | petn-randall | Kafetist_: Did that solve your problem? |
| 16:31.32 | Kafetist_ | petn-randall not really, I had to admit I'm not running my debian in a modern environment myself either so I don't have any mouse setting gui. |
| 16:31.42 | petn-randall | tom_768364: All programs pick the language you have configured for the user. If you only want to start one single program in a specific language, you can run 'LANG=<twolettercode> vlc' on the command line. |
| 16:31.45 | gisli | abrotman, jhutchins: is there a gui for either one? |
| 16:31.53 | AsumFace | Kafetist_< http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-880847-start-0.html |
| 16:32.05 | abrotman | gisli: None that I know of. A text file controls them |
| 16:32.06 | petn-randall | Kafetist_: What are you running? |
| 16:32.19 | TIBS01 | oh well |
| 16:32.25 | abrotman | gisli: there's a emacs plugin, joy :) |
| 16:32.29 | TIBS01 | chrish ive tried |
| 16:32.38 | TIBS01 | ive downloaded verious fw files |
| 16:32.42 | TIBS01 | its fucked |
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| 16:32.59 | Kafetist_ | petn-randall slim for login and xmonad for wm |
| 16:33.00 | petn-randall | TIBS01: Tried what? You didn't even answer what ISO you are using. |
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| 16:33.06 | TIBS01 | yeah i did |
| 16:33.10 | skaag | what's an easy to use reverse tunnel tool for debian? |
| 16:33.22 | Kafetist_ | skaag ssh |
| 16:33.38 | TIBS01 | <TIBS02> http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/ |
| 16:33.38 | TIBS01 | <TIBS02> amd64 net indtl |
| 16:33.39 | skaag | Kafetist_: but I need to write a boot script to make it create the tunnel |
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| 16:33.54 | skaag | and if it fails, I need the script to detect that it's down, and re-create the tunnel |
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| 16:34.20 | htop | hi there. I want to install two computers with exactly the same software. Can I copy the /var/cache/apt/archives folder (it has all thes *.deb files in it) to the 2nd computer? |
| 16:34.43 | Kafetist_ | skaag true |
| 16:35.02 | Skaag | found autossh |
| 16:35.03 | abrotman | dpkg: tell htop about aptitude clone |
| 16:35.05 | Skaag | going to give it a try |
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| 16:35.29 | jelly | htop: yes, but you still have to run aptitude update |
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| 16:35.42 | pythonsnake | is it possible to compile and install locally glibc |
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| 16:36.20 | htop | jelly: ok, but first, dpkg -i -R /path/to/dir/name/with/lots/of/dot-deb-files/ and then, aptitude update. |
| 16:36.24 | jelly | pythonsnake: to what end? |
| 16:36.37 | Kafetist_ | skaag you'll find that you almost certainly need to put the command to if-up.d even with autossh |
| 16:36.41 | tom_768364 | petn-randall i'd tried it but it didn't work |
| 16:36.42 | jelly | htop: I have no idea what -R does. |
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| 16:36.49 | TIBS01 | anyone got any good destros that will have the file in it for the dell1950 |
| 16:36.56 | gisli | abrotman, alright so that's out of the question. |
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| 16:37.07 | htop | recursively Recursively handle all regular files matching pattern. |
| 16:37.13 | pythonsnake | jelly: fixing stuff? |
| 16:37.18 | pythonsnake | global glibc is borked |
| 16:37.23 | pythonsnake | and i dont have root access |
| 16:37.27 | jelly | pythonsnake: broken, how? |
| 16:37.38 | abrotman | gisli: it's no that hard .. |
| 16:37.40 | Kafetist_ | skaag, also sometimes the connection hangs even when setting a proper timeout, so you'll need to kill useless ssh processes at the middleman server you're connecting to |
| 16:37.49 | Skaag | I see |
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| 16:38.04 | pythonsnake | im trying to compile php and /usr/bin/ld: cannot find crt1.o: No such file or directory happened |
| 16:38.10 | abrotman | dpkg: tell htop about dotdeb |
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| 16:38.20 | Kafetist_ | but you can make a user for the connection, and just grep the ssh processes for the user and kill those |
| 16:38.21 | pythonsnake | the system recently got upgraded to wheezy and it misses the libc6 pkg |
| 16:38.28 | pythonsnake | jelly: so im trygin to compile it |
| 16:38.58 | jelly | pythonsnake: crt1.o is a build/development component, part of libc6-dev in Debian. |
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| 16:39.03 | Kafetist_ | has worked for a year for me with very flaky connection at the other end, also constant power cuts so the box has been rebooting and whatnot |
| 16:39.06 | gisli | abrotman, well it has to be fool proof. Am I able to have preseed or FAI ask a bunch of questions at the start of an install and then it can do it's thing without anyone watching over it? |
| 16:39.39 | jelly | pythonsnake: if your goal is to compile stuff, do that on a different system, one that has proper development environment installed |
| 16:39.58 | abrotman | gisli: that's the idea |
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| 16:40.09 | jelly | pythonsnake: you won't be able to compile any C code using libc on this machine anyway |
| 16:40.55 | jelly | pythonsnake: hm. it's quite impossible to not have the "libc6" package installed |
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| 16:41.06 | pythonsnake | jelly: yeah that's what i was wondering |
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| 16:41.13 | abrotman | dpkg: tell gisli about preseed |
| 16:41.16 | abrotman | dpkg: tell gisli about fai |
| 16:41.45 | jelly | pythonsnake: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "dpkg -l dpkg libc6 apt libc6-dev" and "apt-cache policy dpkg libc6 libc6-dev" |
| 16:41.48 | petn-randall | tom_768364: Do you only want to change the language of one single program? Or all? |
| 16:41.48 | pythonsnake | jelly: ok it just have libc6 and linux-libc-dev:amd64 |
| 16:41.53 | pythonsnake | has8 |
| 16:41.59 | pythonsnake | has* |
| 16:42.19 | pythonsnake | checked with `$ dpkg --get-selections *libc*` |
| 16:42.25 | pythonsnake | without the $ |
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| 16:42.57 | pythonsnake | jelly: i guess i'll just try to compile glibc but sec |
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| 16:43.00 | jelly | pythonsnake: in any case, if libc6-dev is not installed, that's a strong suggestion this machine is not meant to be a system to build stuff on. |
| 16:43.23 | pythonsnake | jelly: the admin is jsut busy |
| 16:43.26 | jelly | pythonsnake: best to contact your administrator; this isn't really a debian issue |
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| 16:43.44 | pythonsnake | well he said to wait but im an impatient bastard lol |
| 16:43.53 | Kafetist_ | Skaag: something Iv' |
| 16:43.53 | jelly | pythonsnake: set up a debian vm on your own machine, even a crappy one with 512MB RAM will be a better environment |
| 16:44.09 | tom_768364 | petn-randall one single program |
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| 16:44.32 | jelly | pythonsnake: sorry, I think you're doing useless busywork at this point and are going the wrong way |
| 16:44.41 | Kafetist_ | Skaag: this is the command that has worked for me, just for reference: http://pastebin.com/L5GvmtDX |
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| 16:45.30 | pythonsnake | jelly: http://pastie.org/private/uxneku346knj7kp3eljbyg |
| 16:45.52 | pythonsnake | jelly: no chance to get glibc dev? |
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| 16:46.47 | jelly | ,v libc6 |
| 16:46.48 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.17-97; sid: 2.17-97; experimental: 2.18-0experimental1 |
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| 16:47.16 | jelly | pythonsnake: uh, that's a system with repos for current stable and current testing enabled at the same time |
| 16:47.27 | jelly | pythonsnake: this is Not a Good Idea |
| 16:47.55 | pythonsnake | why? |
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| 16:48.50 | jelly | it's very easy to install crap from testing that will make the system insecure or buggy or unsupportable |
| 16:49.20 | jelly | your admin is not following best practice |
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| 16:50.22 | petn-randall | tom_768364: 'LANGUAGE=de vlc' worked for me. |
| 16:50.32 | hero100era | Any news about the ctte of the default init on debian? |
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| 16:50.38 | pythonsnake | ok, i just relayed that to ym admin jelly |
| 16:50.40 | pythonsnake | thanks for the info |
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| 16:51.06 | jelly | they might think that apt Default-Release would save them from headaches. They would be wrong. |
| 16:51.19 | ChrisH | TIBS01: you did not answer the Q on the filename: a filename is something like firmware-7.3.0-i386-netinst.iso and that iso has all firmware included... I mentioned that several times and will be offline now. |
| 16:51.27 | pythonsnake | yeah trying to compile glibc yielded rpc_main.c:37:19: fatal error: errno.h: No such file or directory |
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| 16:51.45 | pythonsnake | i guess i'll have to build elsewhere then move it to the system |
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| 16:51.56 | bluesm | What does it mean : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/spa/ll0oz57hyrt1crz/qtfbksqk.png |
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| 16:52.11 | bluesm | Is there an link to root folder somewhere ? |
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| 16:52.36 | jelly | pythonsnake: forget about that. You a) can't compile glibc and b) you don't have know-how to set up the enviroment to make things work with it, and c) it's silly enough noone's likely to hlep you doing b) for free |
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| 16:53.12 | petn-randall | bluesm: This doesn't look like software packaged by Debian. You'll have to ask the software provider what it means. |
| 16:53.18 | jelly | pythonsnake: why do you want a custom php anyway? |
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| 16:53.38 | petn-randall | bluesm: And this looks like you're in the root directory. |
| 16:53.38 | pythonsnake | jelly: because he wont install it globally |
| 16:53.42 | pythonsnake | it gave him headaches |
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| 16:54.18 | Raydiation | is there a debian testing branch atm? |
| 16:54.27 | pythonsnake | yeah |
| 16:54.32 | jelly | pythonsnake: this looks like an internal policy issue. Coordinate with your and his superiors. |
| 16:54.46 | Raydiation | basically i need sqlite 3.6 but 2.8 is in testing |
| 16:54.52 | Raydiation | but thats not set in stone right |
| 16:54.52 | jelly | ,v sqlite3 |
| 16:54.53 | judd | Package: sqlite3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.7.3-1; squeeze-backports: 3.7.13-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.7.13-1+deb7u1; jessie: 3.8.2-1; sid: 3.8.2-1 |
| 16:55.04 | DammitJim | can you guys recommend an ssh manager? |
| 16:55.06 | jelly | Raydiation: are you sure you're looking at the right package? |
| 16:55.11 | Raydiation | http://packages.debian.org/jessie/sqlite |
| 16:55.13 | Raydiation | ? |
| 16:55.19 | DammitJim | like for the terminal, though.. not necessarily GUI |
| 16:55.23 | jelly | Raydiation: it's sqlite3 |
| 16:55.37 | jelly | and there's 3.7.13 even in stable |
| 16:55.46 | pythonsnake | jelly: wut? |
| 16:55.49 | Raydiation | ty |
| 16:55.50 | pythonsnake | what do you mean |
| 16:55.51 | bluesm | petn-randall: Ok.. I see. Thanks anyway :) (They made me to select PROJECT root by at "project root" button) :) |
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| 16:56.48 | tom_768364 | petn-randall:'LANGUAGE=...'works but 'LANG=...'doesn't work. but why? |
| 16:57.10 | jelly | pythonsnake: I mean, you either need to set up an appropriate development environment, or work with something else if the company policy is "no php". This is something your bosses have to solve if your coworker isn't willing. |
| 16:57.32 | petn-randall | tom_768364: Don't know, just found the solution by a quick google search. |
| 16:57.51 | pythonsnake | jelly: it aint work haha.. just hobby servers |
| 16:58.06 | tom_768364 | petn-randall:thanks. |
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| 16:58.11 | pythonsnake | what do you mean by setting up the appropriate dev env? |
| 16:58.14 | jelly | pythonsnake: so fuckit, get your own server and install php properly |
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| 16:58.25 | hero100era | @dammitjim why not just use ssh on Linux and putty on windows? |
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| 16:58.32 | jelly | a 1GB vps is like $5 |
| 16:58.38 | DammitJim | hero100era, I use ssh on linux |
| 16:58.45 | DammitJim | but I'd like to have an ssh manager |
| 16:58.58 | DammitJim | so that I don't have to type the long names for the machines I'm managing |
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| 16:59.39 | kRush | wat |
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| 17:00.43 | hero100era | Not using pub/pri. Key ? |
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| 17:01.14 | hero100era | Just sounds string to me. |
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| 17:01.28 | TIBS01 | right has anyone got an answer yet |
| 17:01.56 | DammitJim | I am using pub/pri keys |
| 17:02.14 | DammitJim | but there are so many servers, I want to be able to easily pick the server I want to connect to |
| 17:02.35 | Incentive | hm. |
| 17:02.36 | DammitJim | instead of having to type the FQDN for the server |
| 17:02.49 | DammitJim | I guess I could add something to my hosts file |
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| 17:02.56 | petn-randall | TIBS01: Use this installer: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 17:03.14 | Incentive | I am trying to copy the contents of my windows partition to external storage, so that I can format it. I want to copy the files rather than an image (not interested in restoring, I just want to ensure I don't miss any data) |
| 17:03.17 | pythonsnake | hm it seems like that's a lot cause |
| 17:03.26 | pythonsnake | jelly: anyways thanks for the help man |
| 17:03.31 | TIBS01 | ok dokie |
| 17:03.35 | Incentive | nautilus buggers it up, following symlinks everywhere and seemingly trying to copy duplicates |
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| 17:03.43 | Incentive | any recommendations? |
| 17:03.51 | hero100era | Then why not a short script and chmod + x? |
| 17:03.59 | petn-randall | TIBS01: There, I even pasted you the link that ChrisH told you to find. Please do the clicking yourself next time ... |
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| 17:04.32 | hero100era | Use a |
| 17:04.33 | petn-randall | Incentive: Use rsync. |
| 17:04.46 | jelly | pythonsnake: better luck next time, sorry |
| 17:04.58 | AsumFace | DammitJim< Look at the second answer here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/637994/can-i-use-the-etc-hosts-file-to-configure-an-alias |
| 17:05.03 | hero100era | @dammitjim why not a short script? |
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| 17:05.38 | DammitJim | hero100era, I considered that, but figured I could ask before going that route |
| 17:05.40 | DammitJim | ya know? |
| 17:05.53 | pythonsnake | jelly: yeah :) |
| 17:06.08 | DammitJim | your link is a good one, though AsumFace |
| 17:06.18 | DammitJim | creating an ssh/config entry |
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| 17:08.56 | hero100era | Yeah config is good. |
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| 17:09.37 | Incentive | petn-randall, thanks, drilling away now. |
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| 17:10.01 | DammitJim | I mean, I've been using Ctrl + R a lot to just recall commands but sometimes it doesn't work that well |
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| 17:11.50 | Incentive | middle click on title bar is genius. is that new in gnome3 or am I just slow? :P |
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| 17:12.29 | asdfladf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.42 | asdfladf | what should i do |
| 17:13.00 | petern_ | er what |
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| 17:13.05 | asdfladf | ya |
| 17:13.35 | asdfladf | i guess i have to use windows huh |
| 17:13.37 | asdfladf | LOL |
| 17:13.37 | mtn | searches for his tin hat |
| 17:13.37 | kRush | buy more aluminum foil |
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| 17:14.09 | asdfladf | die pigs |
| 17:14.21 | asdfladf | i want to holocaust you not turn myself into an antenna |
| 17:14.29 | asdfladf | die |
| 17:14.34 | asdfladf | fucking die let me use my linux |
| 17:14.37 | petn-randall | !ops asdfladf nutcrack |
| 17:14.37 | centrx | What planet is this |
| 17:14.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: petn-randall complains about: asdfladf nutcrack |
| 17:14.39 | asdfladf | stop mnicrowaving me |
| 17:14.41 | hero100era | @asdfladf, no way to disable this secure boot? |
| 17:14.53 | asdfladf | I have to use secure boot or the bios backdoor |
| 17:15.02 | asdfladf | will allow the gov to completely control |
| 17:15.02 | mtn | don't feed the troll |
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| 17:15.06 | asdfladf | without internet |
| 17:15.09 | asdfladf | my x sessions |
| 17:15.21 | asdfladf | send irq to shut down instantly |
| 17:15.27 | codekK | Hello, someone can help me? Im trying install bluetooth support on my laptop i installed bluetooth package and blueman, if i try to run blueman-manage i get this error: NameError: global name 'dbus' is not defined.. Full error--> http://paste.debian.net/79275/ |
| 17:15.45 | oo_miguel | why does php -a not work in debian wheezy? |
| 17:15.59 | asdfladf | why does everything only work in windows... what the fuck is going on |
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| 17:16.07 | asdfladf | ? |
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| 17:16.29 | asdfladf | why are there drones outside my house microwaving me also |
| 17:16.32 | asdfladf | do they have linux |
| 17:16.33 | asdfladf | ? |
| 17:16.36 | asdfladf | y u dont die |
| 17:16.40 | Nik05 | no they run windows |
| 17:16.42 | petn-randall | oo_miguel: It does. |
| 17:16.50 | petn-randall | !ops asdfladf |
| 17:16.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: petn-randall complains about: asdfladf |
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| 17:17.31 | oo_miguel | petn-randall: I do not get an interactive shell and my commands are not executed until I hit Ctrl-D |
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| 17:20.15 | oo_miguel | oh it seems this is a known issue.. :( |
| 17:20.16 | libcracka | Hello, does anyone know how to get intel wireless 7260 working on debian 7.3 |
| 17:20.28 | centrx | libcracka, Probably install firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 17:20.36 | oo_miguel | and is on the "wishlist" since 2010 according to this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576218 |
| 17:20.47 | centrx | libcracka, From non-free |
| 17:20.54 | hero100era | Firmware-iwlwifi |
| 17:20.59 | libcracka | centrx, it doesn't contain the code for 7260, the backports only go up to 6250 |
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| 17:22.10 | centrx | libcracka, http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/firmware-iwlwifi lists the 7260... |
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| 17:23.02 | DammitJim | thanks for the suggestions guys... the config file seems to be the best solution for now |
| 17:23.10 | libcracka | centrx, good to know aptitude doesn't list it. I'll give it a shot |
| 17:23.17 | hero100era | Need kernel newer than 3.10 |
| 17:23.18 | DammitJim | I can always grep the config file to see what servers are out there |
| 17:23.24 | DammitJim | that I have used before ;) |
| 17:23.53 | centrx | libcracka, aptitude was probably showing the non-backport version, even though you might have backports in your sources.list and updated the sources |
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| 17:24.01 | centrx | may have been |
| 17:26.19 | libcracka | centrx, I see, I just installed it. |
| 17:27.02 | hero100era | For me is quite strange that newer kernel from backport never works for me, I run debian 7.3 on e external USB hard drive, and if I install n newer kernel than 3.2 then it won't boot at all, any body knows why? |
| 17:27.15 | libcracka | in my network connections i only have the option for Wired, am I missing something else? |
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| 17:31.35 | Moor | Is it possi lel |
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| 17:32.39 | Moor | *possible, that my network is configured in a way the netinstall cd can't handle? |
| 17:35.16 | Moor | Cause when I try to connect, it says that it failed to exchange keys (wireless) or that "your network is probably mot using the DHCP protocol" (wired). |
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| 17:35.57 | Moor | But both wired and wireless work fine on the Windows my laptop came with. |
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| 17:37.13 | Moor | (is anyone on?) |
| 17:37.33 | centrx | Ahoy |
| 17:37.50 | Moor | ' |
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| 17:38.12 | Moor | Do you have any idea what might be wrong? |
| 17:38.22 | centrx | I am not sure, net install always works for me :) |
| 17:38.37 | centrx | You could try manually setting the IP on the wired network, instead of using DHCP |
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| 17:39.17 | fsf-free | which gui firewall is good enough for a newbie ? |
| 17:39.27 | Moor | I tried that, and then later it can't access the internet to get packages. |
| 17:39.27 | centrx | Moor, Your wired network cannot be configured in a way the netinstall cd can't handle, that seems very unlikely |
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| 17:40.51 | Moor | The weird thing is, it can see other wireless networks (mine is hidden), so it's not that it can't use the wireless. |
| 17:40.52 | centrx | fsf-free, I don't know. This StackOverflow question has some, but it is from 2010, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2546/debian-which-firewall-for-a-newbie |
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| 17:41.30 | centrx | Moor, Are you able to install the complete base system that does not need to be downloaded? |
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| 17:43.30 | Moor | centrx: like, with the full cd? Probably. But I'm concerned that I won't be able to connect from there, either. |
| 17:43.43 | Moor | Or will the fhl |
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| 17:44.08 | centrx | Moor, I mean you can switch to a terminal to check and configure the network settings |
| 17:44.18 | Moor | *full, cd have more stuff to deal with that? |
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| 17:44.42 | centrx | Just with the netinstall |
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| 17:45.15 | Moor | centrx: yes probably, but I don't understand what much of the stuff means. |
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| 17:46.18 | centrx | Moor, Can you give the exact DHCP error message? |
| 17:47.16 | Moor | centrz: Sure, probably. |
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| 17:48.18 | Moor | "INFO: No IPv6 support, how does this happen?" |
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| 17:49.54 | centrx | Moor, Are you sure you downloaded the latest netinstall CD? |
| 17:49.58 | centrx | Image |
| 17:50.01 | centrx | Moor, Where did you download it from? |
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| 17:51.11 | Moor | yes. |
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| 17:53.02 | hero100era | @moor try to use a live cd and use debootstrap to install your system, this is the most reliable method to install debian like system, never got a problem. |
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| 17:55.58 | hero100era | Although Ubuntu is not worth install, but the live cd is good to have it installed on a USB disk |
| 17:56.07 | leo-the-manic | How can I add an environment variable so that sudo env will show it? Right now I'm exporting system-wide variables in /etc/profile.d but that doesn't seem to propagate to sudo env |
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| 17:56.49 | codekK | Hello, someone can help me??? I want to know if my laptop have a Bluetooth. If i do a "lspci" i dont see a "Bluetooth" entry but if i do lsmod or dmesg i can see bluetooth entries... |
| 17:57.17 | codekK | In Internet i saw my model and in some sites it saids have bluetooth and in other sites said havent bluetooth |
| 17:57.18 | codekK | :S |
| 17:57.21 | codekK | so confuse |
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| 17:57.55 | codekK | if i do hcitool dev, no devices appear. |
| 17:58.11 | hero100era | codekK, that means you don't have proper firmware installed or loaded. |
| 17:58.27 | codekK | I just install blueetoth and blueman |
| 17:59.17 | codekK | hero100era, and if i restart bluetooth service i get this error: bluetoothd rfcomm/usr/bin/rfcomm: invalid option -- 'f' but the service appear start well |
| 17:59.49 | oiiijjoiiijjoiii | hero100era: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 18:00.55 | leo-the-manic | Ah, finally found out about Defaults env_keep and visudo from Google |
| 18:01.23 | codekK | hero100era, how i can know my bluetooth device? |
| 18:01.57 | hero100era | How about bluez-firmware? |
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| 18:02.43 | codekK | hero100era, installing |
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| 18:03.51 | codekK | hero100era, installed |
| 18:03.58 | codekK | And doesnt work |
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| 18:05.33 | hero100era | If it's not work, tjMy suggestion is, find a Ubuntu live cd, boot and limod, find which mod is loaded, then you will know how to solve the problem. |
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| 18:06.00 | hero100era | Have you reboot? |
| 18:06.04 | codekK | nop |
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| 18:06.47 | hero100era | You know how to load the mod? If not first reboot |
| 18:07.11 | codekK | ok |
| 18:07.13 | codekK | i go to reboot |
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| 18:12.06 | codekK | hero100era, doesnt work |
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| 18:12.19 | hero100era | Any luck? |
| 18:12.25 | codekK | cant initiate blueman |
| 18:12.40 | codekK | and the same with bluetooth device |
| 18:12.55 | hero100era | Tye to install bluez |
| 18:13.23 | hero100era | Any thing about lsmod? |
| 18:13.30 | codekK | its installed |
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| 18:13.51 | codekK | bluetooth 215957 8 bnep,rfcomm |
| 18:13.51 | codekK | rfkill 18867 7 cfg80211,acer_wmi,bluetooth |
| 18:13.51 | codekK | crc16 12343 2 ext4,bluetooth |
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| 18:16.54 | hero100era | https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser. Take a look, |
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| 18:17.53 | codekK | hero100era, before question here i follow the wiki |
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| 18:18.45 | codekK | and doesnt work. If i use a system information application i cant see the bluetooth too. Im starting to think that this laptop doesnt have bluetooth |
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| 18:21.31 | hero100era | dmsg| grep bluetooth any output? |
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| 18:22.13 | codekK | yes i |
| 18:22.16 | codekK | but i see this now http://www.linlap.com/acer_aspire_5741g |
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| 18:23.45 | codekK | hero100era, i get this with dmesg http://paste.debian.net/79306/ |
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| 18:24.35 | codekK | but the site i show u said i dont have bluetooth adapter... but on acer.es site if i search for windows driver for my laptop it have a Bluetooth driver for atheros and broadcom |
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| 18:26.34 | codekK | im so confused |
| 18:26.35 | codekK | :( |
| 18:27.14 | hero100era | I'm also get lost.:( |
| 18:27.45 | codekK | Np, ty for u time :) |
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| 18:31.25 | oo_miguel | ll |
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| 18:32.39 | Incentive | how stable is ntfs support nowadays? |
| 18:32.55 | Incentive | should I worry about converting my storage partition to ext or is it not really worth bothering now? |
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| 18:35.15 | petern_ | i've not had any stability issues with ntfs, but it is very slow |
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| 18:37.04 | Incentive | okay. I'll leave it for a while and do it if I have issues. |
| 18:37.25 | Incentive | have an SSD for most stuff which is now ext4. |
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| 18:40.54 | jhutchins | Incentive: I don't know of any stability problems with ntfs, even going back to the 90's. The probablem was pretty solid: on some rare versions of NTFS, writing to the filesystem with linux would trash it. |
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| 18:41.15 | jhutchins | Incentive: If you had one of those lucky filesystems, boom, otherwise everything was fine. |
| 18:41.45 | jhutchins | Incentive: The only thing that made it a big deal is that the cost of failure was complete data loss. |
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| 18:43.32 | Incentive | heh. excellent. well, I've copied tens of thousands of files, 50GB+, and it seems good so far. |
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| 18:43.54 | Incentive | given the risk of resizing it without a backup it seems best to leave it be for now. |
| 18:44.00 | jhutchins | codex1: Bluetooth and wifi were optional on some Acer netbooks. You could buy a module and add it after you bought the laptop. |
| 18:44.03 | Incentive | heading out for a bit. |
| 18:44.13 | VladAndrew | guys, could someone explain why when I try to install the multiarch version I see a simple "Install" and a "Install 64" ? |
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| 18:44.18 | blueoil | hello |
| 18:44.22 | jhutchins | codex1: I see I missed that person, sorry. |
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| 18:45.01 | VladAndrew | also this is the testing image |
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| 18:45.56 | VladAndrew | anyone ? |
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| 18:58.21 | Stevie-O | Vlad: Having no actual knowledge about multiarch installations, I would guess that "Install" installs for i386 and "Install 64" installs for amd64 |
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| 19:05.33 | aleksandur | Hello, how can I set bash completion inside commands, so that 'apt-get inst[TAB]' would complete 'install'? |
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| 19:06.36 | phr | aleksandur: i think debian does that by default |
| 19:06.46 | phr | try sudo apt-[TAB] |
| 19:07.04 | aleksandur | phr, well, bash-completion works only for the first command |
| 19:07.04 | jelly-home | aleksandur: is bash-completion package installed? |
| 19:07.17 | aleksandur | jelly-home, yes, but it works only for the first command |
| 19:07.26 | jelly-home | first command? |
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| 19:07.36 | aleksandur | apt-get, but not apt-get install |
| 19:07.59 | jelly-home | I don't use bash, but that sounds like bash-completion is not active at all |
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| 19:08.20 | jelly-home | aleksandur: have you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/bash-completion/ ? |
| 19:08.56 | jelly-home | aleksandur: zless /usr/share/doc/bash-completion/README.gz |
| 19:09.09 | aleksandur | jelly-home, reading them right now, thank you |
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| 19:09.54 | phr | i never had issues with bash competition on any linux |
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| 19:10.35 | jelly-home | phr: using zsh instead does not count! |
| 19:10.57 | phr | i never used zsh, only tcsh and sh |
| 19:11.25 | phr | but i know that bash completion aint possible with apt-get when u dont sudo first |
| 19:11.46 | aleksandur | phr, unless you're doing it as root |
| 19:11.53 | phr | yeah exactly |
| 19:12.04 | aleksandur | jelly-home, thank you, I needed to repair /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 19:13.01 | phr | u mean u only have to add /etc/bash_completion to the .bashrc? |
| 19:13.13 | phr | wasn't is there by default? |
| 19:13.31 | phr | it* |
| 19:13.58 | aleksandur | phr, /etc/bash_completion wasn't doing anything on it's own |
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| 19:14.19 | phr | but the file and the .d folder exist in /etc right? |
| 19:14.42 | aleksandur | phr, yes |
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| 19:16.28 | phr | try: source /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 19:16.31 | aleksandur | anyway, is there some >easy< way to install firefox and keep it updated in repo? still via mint repositories, or does mozilla have any official? |
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| 19:16.40 | aleksandur | phr, as I said, it already worked ;) |
| 19:16.57 | phr | oh, missed that. glad it does :) |
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| 19:17.52 | aleksandur | as to the firefox... |
| 19:17.56 | phr | hmm |
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| 19:18.25 | phr | just installed prehistorik via playonlinux |
| 19:18.44 | phr | goin to dive way back |
| 19:18.47 | phr | :p |
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| 19:40.45 | Moor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.37 | Moor | I'm trying to install Debian, yadada, the preinatalled Windows |
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| 19:42.32 | Moor | connects on both wireless and wthernet just fine, but the net instaÅl can't gey either. |
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| 19:43.47 | Moor | So I download and burn the live cd, and that runs fine, and, while it can't connect to the ethwrnet, connects to the wireless. |
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| 19:44.43 | Moor | So I try to run the installer -- and that fails to connect! |
| 19:44.57 | ghostlines | hi, I'm running Wheezy, and would like to to update my kernel to at least 3.8. Would it make more sense to just use the testing release of Debian? |
| 19:46.03 | Moor | What's going on? Is there any reason why only the installer would fail to connect? |
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| 19:47.33 | mtn | ghostlines: use backports: http://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 19:50.47 | jhutchins | Moor: Who's live CD did you use? The official hybrids should have an option to install. |
| 19:51.05 | ghostlines | mtn looks very useful but it seems like this is not much different than using the testing release isn't it? |
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| 19:51.21 | mtn | ghostlines: much different |
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| 19:51.28 | jhutchins | ghostlines: Very different, especially when it comes to ongoing updates. |
| 19:52.04 | jhutchins | ghostlines: Testing is intended to be broken. It's purpose is finding what breaks as newer packages roll out, and working out the bugs. |
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| 19:52.59 | jhutchins | ghostlines: It does not get expidited security updates, and if something breaks they'd rather fix it right than fix it quick. |
| 19:52.59 | ghostlines | jhutchins ahh I think I follow, I'll definitely check this out then |
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| 20:02.05 | Moor | jhutchins: sorry, I wasn't clear. The installer /on thw live cd/ fails to connect. |
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| 20:07.11 | Moor | I'm literally pinging the greater internet up until the installer scans for devices, then it stops. |
| 20:08.02 | Moor | And I can reconnect like normal. |
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| 20:23.12 | woshty | why is scanimage so slow? Is there a way to speed it up? |
| 20:23.59 | Moor | Okay, and noq it keeps failing to connect at all... |
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| 20:33.41 | oo_miguel | I want to install another os on my desktop on a seperate disk. can I somehow sandbox it (with grub for instance) so it does not see my other harddisks? |
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| 20:35.12 | tremon | only if you use a virtualization solution |
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| 20:36.02 | tremon | but that's not "with grub". That implies booting for main OS first, and then running something else inside it |
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| 20:37.22 | oo_miguel | tremon: Can you think of any such solution that will produce the least overhead? |
| 20:37.46 | jhutchins | oo_miguel: On the other hand, windows by itself will "see" Linux filesystem partitions, but won't be able to mount or read them. |
| 20:37.56 | tremon | what kind of overhead? computation, maintenance or knowledge required to set it up? |
| 20:38.02 | oo_miguel | jhutchins: but could for example destroy them , right ;) |
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| 20:38.07 | Miesco_ | How do I stop gnome gdm from starting up? |
| 20:38.23 | oo_miguel | tremon: speed. so i suppose computation |
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| 20:38.47 | jhutchins | Miesco_: In general, one time, or what? |
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| 20:39.48 | jhutchins | Miesco_: The answer is "it depends". |
| 20:39.55 | Miesco_ | jhutchins: On startup |
| 20:40.44 | tremon | oo_miguel: I prefer kvm with virtual disks located on lvm. you can use libvirt as a gui tool for it, but you need quite some manual configuring for e.g. networking (last time I did it at least) |
| 20:40.46 | jhutchins | Miesco_: You can disable kms and if your video driver relies on it it won't start. You can boot to single user mode and gdm won't start. You can use rcconf or the like to turn off gdm. |
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| 20:41.12 | tremon | oo_miguel: however, if you need 3d performance in your guest you need virtualbox |
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| 20:41.32 | oo_miguel | tremon: I have to admin that I wanted 3d performance |
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| 20:41.35 | mdim | hi folks |
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| 20:41.58 | oo_miguel | But I do not need to run 2 operating systems in parallel |
| 20:42.07 | tremon | wasn't there a boot option ("text"?) that both gdm and kdm honoured? |
| 20:42.08 | mdim | I keep on running into issues with a locale, including my inability to browse directories because they have non-english letters in their names |
| 20:42.17 | oo_miguel | so just some thin software layer that would hide the other disks from the os above |
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| 20:42.24 | mdim | here's what happens when I run dpkg-reconfigure locales: http://paste.debian.net/79353/ |
| 20:42.31 | mdim | any idea what's going wrong? |
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| 20:43.40 | tremon | oo_miguel: there's no such thing as a "thin layer" underneath an OS, in spite of Intel's TC Group attempts |
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| 20:44.02 | jhutchins | tremon: Since the *dm runs after the kernel environment is up boot variables aren't passed to it. |
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| 20:44.24 | jhutchins | tremon: You may be thinking of the installer option, which is different. |
| 20:44.26 | tremon | jhutchins: I thought they inspected /proc/cmdline for it |
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| 20:45.16 | jhutchins | oo_miguel: I've never heard of such software. What's the point? |
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| 20:45.20 | jgay | Hey Debian, I am doing an AMA on reddit if anyone is interested and wants to ask the FSF any licensing & compliance type questions. http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1wks1l/iama_licensing_compliance_manager_for_the_free/ |
| 20:45.56 | tremon | oo_miguel: at some point, it comes down to trusting the software you run on your machine. If you don't trust it, don't run it |
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| 20:46.40 | oo_miguel | tremon: jhutchins: The point is, that I want to run software that I do not trust on my machine. |
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| 20:47.17 | diz---232 | Any idea why network manager has literally 500 popups asking for my wifi password.... 5 hours after the laptop lid was closed.... |
| 20:47.23 | oo_miguel | But I thought its easier to sandbox an OS regarding the harddisks |
| 20:47.26 | tremon | Miesco_: you can always do update-rc.d gdm3 disable. Not sure if there's a better way |
| 20:47.30 | diz---232 | I only have one wifi network added to network manager and the password is correct |
| 20:47.46 | diz---232 | this only happens when the laptop isnt being used\is closed |
| 20:48.06 | jhutchins | diz---232: It probably lost the connection but was "awake" enough to keep re-trying it. |
| 20:48.18 | oo_miguel | tremon: jhutchins: even if I turn the harddisk off in the bios would not make them invisible , right? |
| 20:48.40 | jhutchins | diz---232: If I don't manually put my laptop into sleep mode, it maintains the connection for a while when the lid's closed. |
| 20:48.42 | diz---232 | jhutchins: Any idea how to tell network manager not to create 500 popup windows\depleting all my resources\patience |
| 20:48.45 | oo_miguel | of course I could unplug them.. |
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| 20:48.53 | tremon | oo_miguel: you may be thinking of earlier grub and lilo's capability to reorder disks so different boot tools saw a different disk as primary. But that only applies to early-boot code, every modern OS does hardware probing by itself |
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| 20:49.17 | tremon | oo_miguel: that last part also answers your bios question: yes, disabling in bios is not enough |
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| 20:49.47 | jhutchins | diz---232: Lots of ways. Configure it not to connect automatically, not to re-connect. Manually disconnect before closing. Turn NM off when closing. Store the password (probably won't fix it). |
| 20:50.03 | diz---232 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/912702 "This bug was fixed in the package network-manager - 0.9.8.8-0ubuntu1" |
| 20:50.09 | diz---232 | doesn't help me with debian though |
| 20:50.34 | diz---232 | jhutchins: none of those solutions are reasonable |
| 20:50.51 | jhutchins | ,v network-manager |
| 20:50.52 | judd | Package: network-manager on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.1-6+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.4.0-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.4.0-10; jessie: 0.9.8.0-5; sid: 0.9.8.0-5; experimental: 0.9.8.8-3 |
| 20:51.04 | diz---232 | the laptop is running wheezy 7.3 |
| 20:51.58 | diz---232 | What about if i use Wicd is a general-purpose network configuration server which aims |
| 20:51.58 | diz---232 | to provide a simple but flexible interface for connecting to networks. |
| 20:51.58 | diz---232 | Its features include: |
| 20:52.01 | diz---232 | err use wicd? |
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| 20:52.08 | mdim | so, any clue why this issue in Wheezy happens with locales? http://paste.debian.net/79353/ |
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| 20:52.35 | oo_miguel | tremon: allright, thank you very much |
| 20:52.39 | oo_miguel | jhutchins: thx too |
| 20:53.01 | jhutchins | diz---232: It won't bother us any. These days it works with fewer chipsets than n-m, but if you can get it to work, great. |
| 20:53.27 | tremon | mdim: the error message is quite friendly. Have you read it? |
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| 20:54.20 | dondelelcaro | !tell mdim about locales |
| 20:54.32 | pietro10 | Hi. Is there a list of packages in Debian that are not in Ubuntu, and vice versa? Thanks. |
| 20:54.42 | dondelelcaro | mdim: in short, you're using "en_GB.UTF-8" for LC_TIME, but you have not built that locale |
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| 20:55.01 | rozie | pietro10: grab packages list from both repos and compare |
| 20:55.15 | pietro10 | is there a cquick way to do so on the command line |
| 20:55.53 | mtn | pietro10: there will not be a quick way |
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| 20:56.34 | rozie | pietro10: if you know awk, grep, sed or perl - yes |
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| 20:57.16 | mdim | dondelelcaro: oh, silly me... thx, including tremon |
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| 20:57.19 | dondelelcaro | pietro10: you can just run diff -u <(grep-aptavail -s Package .|sort) <(grep-dctrl -s Package . /path/to/concatenated_package_file_from_other_dist|sort)|grep '^[-+]' |
| 20:57.44 | dondelelcaro | pietro10: or something similar |
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| 20:58.41 | pietro10 | right |
| 20:58.43 | pietro10 | I know awk/grep |
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| 20:58.57 | pietro10 | maybe i should have aksed this instead: |
| 20:59.06 | pietro10 | is there a simple way to build /path/to/concatenated_package_file_from_other_dist ? |
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| 20:59.34 | pietro10 | I am slightly familiar with the repo file structure so I can just pull directly from those if need be |
| 20:59.42 | dondelelcaro | pietro10: that's the easiest way |
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| 21:00.04 | dondelelcaro | they're just pretty boring compressed text files |
| 21:00.17 | pietro10 | all right |
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| 21:00.29 | pietro10 | what'st he URL of the debian repo then - archive.debian.org ? |
| 21:01.15 | e1z0 | pamela.anderson.archive.debian.org |
| 21:01.17 | diz---232 | yeah wicd didn't function at all I guess I'll be forced to disable automatic connect |
| 21:01.28 | diz---232 | I can't believe there's no solution to fix network managr |
| 21:01.34 | pietro10 | then yes, thanks |
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| 21:02.01 | Incentive | how can I disable suspend on closing laptop lid? |
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| 21:03.03 | diz---232 | "I believe that network-manager back-ends make incorrect system calls when it cannot immediately connect with the current password. It does not know whether the password is missing or incorrect, if the connection is unavailable, if the connection was stopped due to a suspend, lock, or shutdown, or if the connection was temporarily lost." |
| 21:03.14 | diz---232 | jhutchins: I can't believe this issue hasn't been resolved |
| 21:03.15 | jhutchins | diz---232: It isn't an issue for everyone, but you can report the bug or vote on it if it's already reported, and when a fix gets into testing you can request a backport. |
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| 21:03.22 | e1z0 | Incentive, /etc/init.d/pm* restart |
| 21:03.38 | diz---232 | jhutchins: I see posts going back 2 years |
| 21:03.40 | e1z0 | EIKIT VISI NACHUJ BLIAD |
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| 21:03.47 | mraky | On my debian cant screen turned usb flash. How to do it? |
| 21:03.49 | diz---232 | thanks |
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| 21:04.23 | jhutchins | mraky: Sorry, that sentence doesn't parse in English. |
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| 21:05.06 | e1z0 | jholden_away, indeed |
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| 21:05.22 | e1z0 | fuckin sentence don't fuckin readeable |
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| 21:06.55 | pietro10 | http://pastie.org/8683493 |
| 21:06.56 | pietro10 | awk script |
| 21:07.37 | pietro10 | wheezy is the latest debian? |
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| 21:07.54 | mraky | Debian doesent mount usb flash disk automsticaly |
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| 21:09.04 | pietro10 | never midn, got sid files |
| 21:09.09 | pietro10 | it wsa actually http://ftp.debian.org/debian |
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| 21:13.07 | mraky | ./+_)( |
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| 21:14.23 | kzar | Possibly dumb question but here goes... I have a list of directories I want to back up on my remote server, is there a command I can type to tar them all up into an archive and scp it to my local machine in one go? Without leaving a tar lying around on the server and still pulling the files from the server instead of pushing |
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| 21:14.48 | kzar | (Hoping to figure it out as a super-simple way to backup my server for now) |
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| 21:15.50 | frostschutz | kzar, tar your stuff | ssh remote dd of=stuff.tar |
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| 21:16.35 | kzar | not sure I follow frostschutz |
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| 21:16.43 | frostschutz | pipe the tar through ssh |
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| 21:17.28 | frostschutz | you could also do it the other way around, ssh somebox tar things > localthingstar. |
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| 21:19.33 | frostschutz | kzar, http://linux.icydog.net/ssh/piping.php I'm sure you can find better examples with google... if you search for ssh pipe |
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| 21:19.58 | kzar | frostschutz: so supposing I want to type 1 command on client that creates a tarball of the remote directories /example1 and /example2 on my local machine called ./backup.tar.gz without leaving a tarball lying around on the remote machine. And the remote machine's hostname is some-server.com what would the command be? |
| 21:20.38 | kzar | I get that I can run a command on the remote machine using ssh and I get that I can use scp to copy something from the remote machine, but I don't see how to tar stuff on the fly like I described. I'm pretty sure it can be done but |
| 21:21.05 | frostschutz | kzar, if you don't use the f option in tar, it will print the tar data to stdout, so you can pipe it |
| 21:21.14 | frostschutz | kzar, and if you pipe over ssh, that replaces the scp |
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| 21:21.21 | kzar | oh i see |
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| 21:23.12 | kzar | frostschutz: So I'm thinking `ssh some-server.com tar -cz /example1 /example2 > ./backup.tar.gz`? |
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| 21:27.58 | ompaul | kzar: scp -r /path1 user@otherbox:/pathtobackup/ |
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| 21:28.39 | ompaul | kzar: if you insist on running a command across at the same time you are kind of not getting best service - scp by defaults compresses scp -r /path1 user@otherbox:/pathtobackup/ |
| 21:29.13 | frikinz | What is this new directory private-keys-v1.d in .gnupg? |
| 21:29.18 | kzar | I think I like my way better ompaul |
| 21:29.19 | ompaul | kzar: -S is your new frield |
| 21:29.25 | ompaul | friend |
| 21:30.39 | ompaul | frikinz: http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg/Common-Problems.html |
| 21:31.44 | pietro10 | thanks again |
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| 21:32.00 | pietro10 | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/?dl=4140790 column 1:debian sid; column 2:ubuntu saucy; column 3:common |
| 21:32.05 | pietro10 | will analyze later |
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| 21:33.49 | frikinz | ompaul: thanks. so man gpg-agent tells me more. okay. that's new |
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| 21:34.26 | nounch | Hello, I have an old Franken-Debian (originally Squeeze) which I would like to `clone' to a new machine as accurately as possible (package-/config-wise). Before I do anything, however, I would like to figure out any implications as detailed as possible. Here is the situation (questions on the bottom): https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ccf5de8bc8d8c62ed3ad |
| 21:34.44 | Tenkawa | can you not just clone it? |
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| 21:34.50 | frikinz | where gpg-agent stores its private keys. so gpg-agent has *its* private keys. humm. I'll keep mine as usual in .gnupg |
| 21:34.56 | Tenkawa | or would it be too large? |
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| 21:35.18 | nounch | Tenkawa: It's a Squeeze. I would like to upgrade to a Wheezy, too, in the process (see paste). |
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| 21:35.23 | Tenkawa | ahh |
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| 21:36.17 | frikinz | clone, dist-upgrade? |
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| 21:37.12 | nkuttler | nounch: dpkg --get-selections, dpkg --set-selections, and copy the config files you want to keep |
| 21:37.40 | nkuttler | nounch: (and data) |
| 21:37.43 | nounch | frikinz: See the `Cloning'-related questions in the paste. |
| 21:38.02 | Tenkawa | need to do a apt-get dselect-upgrade too right? |
| 21:38.02 | nounch | nkuttler: Sure, but there are still implications (see paste). |
| 21:38.08 | Tenkawa | instead of dist-upgrade |
| 21:38.27 | ompaul | clean install would be safest - end of - no dispute - as package names change over time - the core question is a mix of eh the what now and - are you well you could check which packages are available and no harm in brining file lists and etc with you |
| 21:38.27 | nounch | Tenkawa: Yes, of course. |
| 21:39.10 | Tenkawa | the biggest question will be the "modified" packages if any you have |
| 21:39.55 | ompaul | given it is franken debian and that some repos don't exist any more lists and a clean install would be a better route |
| 21:40.24 | nounch | ompaul: Yes, a clean install is preferred, but I'm still not sure whethere I can safely just use the `selectionfile' (`dpkg --get-selection') from the old Squeeze-ish box of whether I have to update that to Wheezy first, too. |
| 21:40.27 | frikinz | I usuall export only install and begin by a dpkg --clear-selections |
| 21:40.33 | Tenkawa | I build most of my machines now through a deboostrap setup |
| 21:40.49 | Tenkawa | er debootstrap |
| 21:40.59 | Tenkawa | mind you all of my machines are arm.. |
| 21:41.17 | ompaul | nounch: you say "ish" I say DANGER - final answer - take all the info you want and be very judicious in the new box |
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| 21:41.37 | thetornainbow | crunchbang! |
| 21:41.39 | Tenkawa | nounch: do you have a staging area you could try it out first? |
| 21:42.10 | Tenkawa | you can use the download only functions of apt too to see if the list at least works |
| 21:42.16 | ompaul | !crunchbang |
| 21:42.17 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 21:42.39 | nounch | Tenkawa: Sadyl, no. It's a laptop where I have to put in the new disk etc. No accurate VMs etc. |
| 21:42.44 | Tenkawa | ahhh |
| 21:42.49 | acu | why I cannot connect through remote destkop viewer ? I got some error |
| 21:42.54 | Tenkawa | enough room to build a bootstrap? |
| 21:42.58 | thetornainbow | dang. i had heard if i mention crunchbang in #debian a bot would yell at me. i guess not? |
| 21:42.59 | Tenkawa | using debootstrap |
| 21:43.08 | Tenkawa | thetornainbow: it just did |
| 21:43.37 | nounch | Tenkawa: ` |
| 21:43.41 | nounch | Tenkawa: sorry |
| 21:43.49 | nounch | Tenkawa: `download-only options'? |
| 21:43.54 | Tenkawa | apt-get -d |
| 21:44.06 | nounch | Ah! |
| 21:44.07 | Tenkawa | ie apt-get -d install... etc etc |
| 21:44.27 | Tenkawa | you can do -s for simulate too |
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| 21:44.45 | Tenkawa | to dry-run it |
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| 21:47.09 | Tenkawa | bbl |
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| 21:48.32 | nounch | Here is the (messed-up) `sources.list', by the way: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4ef8b475667e41dff9b3 |
| 21:49.24 | joelwallis1 | Hi. Which mail servers are most commonly used with Debian servers? |
| 21:49.36 | ompaul | nounch: what version of broken do you want to run today ... that's a disgrace :) |
| 21:49.42 | nkuttler | !tell joelwallis1 about popcon |
| 21:49.48 | nkuttler | joelwallis1: most likely exim4, the default.. |
| 21:50.32 | nounch | ompaul: I never claimed the opposite. |
| 21:50.45 | ompaul | nounch: nor did I ever suggest you did ;-) |
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| 21:51.28 | joelwallis1 | I would like to set up a mail service for my clients, but I first need to know some options to decide which one can help me with my project. |
| 21:51.40 | ompaul | nounch: it colours my judgement the same way, do a clean install and bring no configs into play without reading them ... I expect some of that will die badly under the new world order system |
| 21:52.24 | ompaul | joelwallis1: as a cliented system is a dangerous thing read the docs for whatever you choose three times and hire a consultant the first time you do it |
| 21:52.40 | nkuttler | joelwallis1: fwiw, if you can't figure that out on your own you most likely don't want to run a mailserver for others.. |
| 21:53.11 | nkuttler | i avoid running mailservers like the plague, except for my own |
| 21:53.12 | nounch | Well, as far as I can see just skipping the upgrade on the old box and using `--get-selection' on the new one is not that bad. I will run `apt-get -d ...' first, of course, just to see. Still there are now the `Backup' question to discuss (bottom): https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ccf5de8bc8d8c62ed3ad |
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| 21:54.01 | nounch | ompaul: So taking `/etc/' and `/var/' with me is not an ideal idea then, I guess. |
| 21:54.27 | joelwallis1 | nkuttler: which mail server software you are using at your servers? |
| 21:54.43 | ompaul | nounch: when building a new system on the new system in a subdirectory owned by root I make a directory called "oldbox/ in there I store all old etc and vars from the previous box |
| 21:55.13 | ompaul | nounch: when the box is set up I move those directories to my backup box and leave them hidden from general view |
| 21:55.46 | ompaul | nounch: also any scripts you have in usr/local/bin and the likes |
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| 21:58.45 | nounch | Out of curiosity: There is no direct Lenny ā Wheezy upgrade without the previous upgrade to Squeeze, right? |
| 21:59.21 | slvpltr | in general, i believe one is to upgrade step by step |
| 21:59.51 | nounch | Will `--get-selection' always try to fetch the latest version for any package? |
| 22:00.05 | nounch | slvpltr: That's what I was reading about, too. |
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| 22:01.19 | babilen | nounch: There is not, you have to upgrade to squeeze first and then to wheezy. The process is discussed in <squeeze release notes> and <wheezy release notes> respectively (/msg dpkg wheezy release notes) |
| 22:02.21 | nounch | babilen: I'd rather skip any upgrade anyway since the goal is to have a fresh new Wheezy on a different disk (with most of the old packages/config, though). |
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| 22:04.20 | nounch | Copying over user dirs (`/home/username/') should be as easy as creating the new user and replacing his/her home dir with the old one. Is that correct? |
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| 22:04.43 | arafangion | nounch: With the possible conflict of different user ID's. |
| 22:04.46 | frikinz | appart from packages, I wouldn't bet on it |
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| 22:05.08 | frikinz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.18 | arafangion | No, /home should work fine. |
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| 22:05.37 | arafangion | I'd keep /etc as a reference, though, I wouldn't actualyl migrate that. |
| 22:05.46 | ScottE | Yes, /home will be fine - I do it this way all the time, as long (as arafangion said), uids and gids align |
| 22:05.47 | frikinz | yes, that's what i mean. *shoumd* |
| 22:05.50 | frikinz | yes, that's what i mean. *should* |
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| 22:06.05 | petn-randall | nounch: /home is fine, but you'll have to copy over all the config manually. Replacing /etc with the one from your old system will likely break it, though. |
| 22:06.07 | nounch | arafangion: Didn't think about that. There is no way around that? |
| 22:06.23 | petn-randall | nounch: Yes, doing the upgrade :) |
| 22:06.36 | nounch | ScottE: No user ID problems for you? |
| 22:06.39 | arafangion | nounch: The uid/gid thing? Yes, you could create your users and groups more carefully, specifying the id's. |
| 22:06.48 | arafangion | nounch: How many users do you have, anyway? |
| 22:07.08 | biglama | hi guys, is it possible to encrypt lvm volumes after an install ? |
| 22:07.14 | nounch | Let's see... oh, just 3! |
| 22:07.27 | petn-randall | nounch: you can easily fix your home dir by just using chown after copying it. |
| 22:07.55 | ScottE | nounch: nope, I create users and groups on the new system with the same ids, and chown any stragglers |
| 22:07.59 | biglama | wait, "normal" volumes, not lvm |
| 22:08.01 | tremon | biglama: not in-place |
| 22:08.23 | petn-randall | biglama: Not with LUKS, no. No idea about encfs |
| 22:08.43 | tremon | biglama: in that case, not at all. You'll need to boot from a livecd to encrypt the / partition |
| 22:09.11 | biglama | tremon: but it can be done without erasing the data on it ? |
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| 22:09.58 | jhutchins | biglama: It will be slow. REALLY slow. |
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| 22:10.24 | jhutchins | biglama: There is also a chance it will fail and you'll loose data. |
| 22:11.02 | biglama | jhutchins: okay, so not recommended :p |
| 22:11.21 | tremon | the first step in creating an encrypted partition is to fill it with random data. There are no automated tools to convert a filesystem to an encrypted one. backup, create cryptdisk, restore is best |
| 22:11.43 | petn-randall | biglama: what tremon said. |
| 22:11.49 | biglama | jhutchins: i've come across a web page stating encrypted disks were not slowing things down, unless you were doing intensive I/O |
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| 22:12.02 | tremon | (still speaking about luks or any dm-crypt for that matter. Don't know about encfs) |
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| 22:14.06 | biglama | tremon: i see. encfs seems to be created on top of an existing filesystem |
| 22:14.12 | tremon | biglama: with the exception of any indilinx-based ssd controller. Any ssd that uses data compression to claim "peak performance" will be slow with encrypted disks |
| 22:14.42 | jhutchins | biglama: The process of encrypting-in-place is very slow, regardless of the final performance. (I'm not sure it's even really available.) |
| 22:14.48 | petn-randall | Well, encrypted data should be compressible at all. |
| 22:15.02 | tremon | hands petn a "not" |
| 22:15.03 | petn-randall | *shouldn't |
| 22:15.05 | arafangion | Compression makes it even slower. |
| 22:15.22 | biglama | so I guess it's not worth the hassle for a home usage |
| 22:15.27 | petn-randall | takes tremon's "not". |
| 22:15.30 | jhutchins | arafangion: That's an "it depends". |
| 22:15.33 | arafangion | I'd imagine it'd make it difficult to use hardware encryption as well. |
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| 22:15.55 | petn-randall | biglama: Got it by default on all my machines. It's only work to set up, after that it's just there. |
| 22:15.59 | arafangion | jhutchins: Sorry. In-place encryption with in-place compression and all that. |
| 22:16.13 | arafangion | jhutchins: Once setup, compression might even speed it up. |
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| 22:16.14 | jhutchins | biglama: It's really only useful for portable systems or really high security where there's a chance the physical disk will fall into hostile hands. |
| 22:16.16 | petn-randall | arafangion: hardware encryption is evil. |
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| 22:16.29 | biglama | tremon: sorry, do you mean it will not impact hard drives that much, but ssds will be hugely affected ? |
| 22:16.47 | petn-randall | jhutchins: You mean, like laptop or mobile phones? Or any computer that can be seized? |
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| 22:16.50 | arafangion | petn-randall: Yes, it's hard to trust teh implementation. |
| 22:17.17 | biglama | do you use disk encryption yourself ? |
| 22:17.22 | petn-randall | biglama: If the SSD cheats in performance by compressing data before writing it to chip, the SSD will be slower, yes. |
| 22:17.31 | arafangion | biglama: I encrypt my laptop, although that runs Mac OS X./ |
| 22:17.33 | jhutchins | biglama: For performance it depends on whether transmitting the data or performing the compression/encryption would be the bottleneck. |
| 22:18.01 | tremon | biglama: yes, but certain ssds only. Ssd controllers (like indilinx) that use transparent compression will never reach their claimed performance if you encrypt your data before sending it to the disk |
| 22:18.04 | biglama | arafangion: do you have sensitive information on it ? |
| 22:18.04 | local | hello all. I have a ping question, although it's not debian related, but I am using "ping" on my Debian host. Well: when I do "ping -b 192.168.0.255" all the responses have the warning (DUP!) which indicated duplicate received ICMP replies. But when I ping a single host of them... |
| 22:18.10 | local | ... I get no (DUP!) warning. Why? |
| 22:18.18 | nounch | Is it sane toc copy `/etc/', `/var/' or user directories from the live running system or should I always power it down and copy from an external system (e.g. LiveCD)? |
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| 22:18.43 | arafangion | biglama: No, not really, although the company I work for would disagree. ;) |
| 22:18.45 | jhutchins | local: Because 255 is a broadcast address and more than one system is responding. |
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| 22:19.11 | jhutchins | nounch: What's the purpose of the copy? |
| 22:19.13 | arafangion | biglama: But anything that can be lost or trivially stolen, should be encrypted, imho. |
| 22:19.36 | jhutchins | arafangion: Cat pictures? |
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| 22:20.04 | arafangion | jhutchins: Heh. Source code. As if anyone wants to read it. |
| 22:20.23 | tremon | nounch: /etc is mostly safe, /var is not. switch to single user or manually stop every daemon that might have open files in /var |
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| 22:20.40 | nounch | jhutchins: Purpose: having a backup/copy for the new system. |
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| 22:21.23 | biglama | thanks for the pointers, very helpful |
| 22:21.25 | local | jhutchins: so this is normal behaviour and I don't have to worry about? funnily all the responded hosts have "DUP!" when I do the broadcast ping. But the switch itself doesnt have the DUP. |
| 22:21.37 | FUZxxl | Hello! |
| 22:21.40 | jhutchins | nounch: See tremon's answer. For most copy utilities you just won't get a copy of the locked files. |
| 22:21.41 | biglama | I don't think I will do it though, nobody cares about my data |
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| 22:21.57 | jhutchins | local: Right. |
| 22:22.13 | FUZxxl | Can somebody link me a debian unstable DVD iso image with Gnome? I don't have a GUI right now and browsing the WWW without one is hard. |
| 22:22.26 | FUZxxl | I'm located in Berlin, Germany if that helps. |
| 22:22.36 | jhutchins | FUZxxl: There is no installer for unstable. |
| 22:22.53 | local | jhutchins: ok, so thank you. Have a nice day |
| 22:22.59 | FUZxxl | jhutchins: Then perhaps the most recent stable version (wheezy?) |
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| 22:23.11 | jhutchins | FUZxxl: Standard procedure is to install stable or testing then "upgrade". |
| 22:23.22 | centrx | FUZxxl, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.3.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 22:23.32 | jhutchins | FUZxxl: Which, if you don't know that already, is probably not a good idea. |
| 22:23.32 | centrx | Actually that is a CD... |
| 22:23.34 | arafangion | biglama: Personally, I suggest encrypting USB disks and laptops. I don't bother with desktops. |
| 22:23.40 | petn-randall | FUZxxl: c-base? |
| 22:23.49 | FUZxxl | centrx: Is there a DVD image (with more software?) available? |
| 22:23.58 | FUZxxl | petn-randall: I think I'm banned from there. |
| 22:24.06 | nounch | Can I debootstrap a Debian from a Ubuntu LiveCD? |
| 22:24.23 | tremon | nounch: yes |
| 22:24.24 | centrx | FUZxxl, http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-7.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 22:24.25 | FUZxxl | My laptop died and now I only have my home server that will never have X |
| 22:24.25 | petn-randall | nounch: If you're masochistic, yes. |
| 22:24.29 | FUZxxl | centrx: Thank you |
| 22:24.48 | biglama | arafangion: I guess you're right, just being paranoid at the moment |
| 22:25.03 | centrx | FUZxxl, Even in Germany. Although you might prefer a netinstall...less downloading, but only a minimal ISO image |
| 22:25.07 | nounch | petn-randall: `masochistic'? Is it harder or just the usual U****u distaste? |
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| 22:25.33 | FUZxxl | centrx: I'm going to install it on a plane so no Webinstall for the moment. |
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| 22:25.54 | jhutchins | nounch: debootstrrap isn't the easiest install method. |
| 22:25.55 | tremon | It's that you're booting a disc anyway. Makes more sense to boot the correct installer then and save you a lot of hassle |
| 22:25.57 | centrx | lol ok |
| 22:26.10 | arafangion | nounch: Ubuntu and Debian aren't compatible in the general sense. But you can bootstrap debian from an existing linux OS, so yes, you can also do so from Ubuntu. |
| 22:26.19 | arafangion | nounch: Doesn't mean it's easy though. |
| 22:26.38 | nounch | jhutchins: The description here http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426 (second `ul') looks quite promising. |
| 22:26.58 | FUZxxl | centrx: What hash should I expect for the image? |
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| 22:27.18 | centrx | FUZxxl, http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/iso-dvd/MD5SUMS |
| 22:27.40 | babilen | nounch: That article is ancient. I would strongly advice reading recent documentation like the debootstrap discussion in the <installation guide> |
| 22:27.45 | nounch | Does debootstrap download all the resources from a mirror or does it try to reuse the ones from the system it is invoked from? |
| 22:27.48 | centrx | FUZxxl, 3af6a27d08d89fc0d1d074a61acbd174 debian-7.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
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| 22:28.15 | FUZxxl | centrx: Which algo? |
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| 22:29.14 | centrx | FUZxxl, That is md5 |
| 22:29.28 | centrx | md5sum |
| 22:29.52 | tremon | nounch: mirror |
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| 22:30.50 | schone | hello |
| 22:31.13 | schone | I'm new to building debian packages and trying to achieve that using the jenkins-debian-glue plugin... |
| 22:31.21 | centrx | Sounds impressive |
| 22:31.46 | schone | when I try to do something like 'gem install bundler' it tells me permissions denied... is the chroot environment not giving the builder root priivliages by default? and if not how does one go about this? |
| 22:32.12 | nounch | tremon: Conclusion: If I have a LiveCD I do not have to download an ISO and burn it to a CD/copy it to a USB device, but can just put in the existing LiveCD with debootstrap on it (or download it) and then let the magic happen? |
| 22:32.17 | jhutchins | nounch: debootstrap is great for a lot of things, but it's more difficult than say a netinstall or minimal install from iso. |
| 22:32.59 | jhutchins | nounch: If you have a Debian live CD it should include an installer. |
| 22:33.15 | babilen | nounch: And yeah, I second jhutchins' notion and would recommend using the standard installer (e.g. netinstall with firmware, <firmware image>) |
| 22:33.18 | tremon | nounch: there is very little magic involved with debootstrap. It's not an installer. You will have to do everything by hand, including configuring your bootloader and users |
| 22:33.43 | babilen | Which might be exactly what nounch wants? |
| 22:33.52 | babilen | checks backlog |
| 22:34.02 | nounch | Well, that's no advantage over installation, in my opinion. |
| 22:34.25 | FUZxxl | centrx: thanks a lot |
| 22:34.32 | babilen | nounch: What is exactly? |
| 22:34.35 | tremon | and your networking configuration, possibly required firmware packages, fstab, etc |
| 22:35.13 | FUZxxl | Are Intel Celeron processors capable of long mode (amd64)? |
| 22:35.14 | nounch | babilen: I mean: installing from ISO/netinstall is more comfortable than debootstrap in my situation. |
| 22:35.50 | tremon | FUZxxl: recent ones are. But the Celeron line is over 10 years old |
| 22:35.51 | Moor | Okay, I just installed Debian on an Asus Ultrabook, but now I can't see any options to boot it or grub from the BIOS. |
| 22:36.01 | FUZxxl | tremon: uhh... how recent? |
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| 22:36.11 | FUZxxl | I think the system I try to use is too old >< |
| 22:36.21 | FUZxxl | aborts and tries a different download |
| 22:36.27 | tremon | FUZxxl: grep --color -w lm /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:36.35 | babilen | nounch: Yes, it is. Do you know which desktop environment your want (if any) ? Are you connected to the internet? How? |
| 22:36.47 | babilen | *you |
| 22:36.51 | FUZxxl | As of now, the machine runs windows xp |
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| 22:38.42 | nounch | babilen: Sure, I will use my preferred WM etc., but since copying over `/etc/' and `/var/' to is a bad idea I'm pretty much stuck with doing it manually on the new box. However, it should be possible to take my old configs with me. |
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| 22:38.58 | nounch | babilen: Stable, wired network connection... |
| 22:39.13 | Moor | Does anyone know how I can add Grub or Debian to the BIOS options? |
| 22:39.32 | tremon | FUZxxl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Celeron_microprocessors#Core_based_Celerons_2 |
| 22:40.18 | babilen | nounch: Ack, use the netinstall with firmware in that case and you should be fine. I'd recommend to install the standard task as it contains, well, standard tools you would typically expect on a Debian system. You can take it from there (cf. <install x>, <empty xorg.conf> ...) |
| 22:40.23 | FUZxxl | yupp I guess the bad boy is too old |
| 22:41.05 | FUZxxl | centrx: Can you link me to an i686 image? |
| 22:41.06 | tremon | FUZxxl: going by that list, "too old" implies from 2006 or earlier |
| 22:41.10 | nounch | babilen: Why shouldn't I just install the full-blown distribution (including X etc.)? |
| 22:41.29 | nounch | babilen: I mean I have to install it anyway, so it won't save me time. |
| 22:41.46 | FUZxxl | The laptop is a backup machine; my actual laptop (Thinkpad T520) is under maintanance right now with an acute case of mainboard. |
| 22:41.52 | FUZxxl | It fubar'd |
| 22:41.56 | centrx | FUZxxl, http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/i386/iso-dvd/debian-7.3.0-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 22:42.11 | centrx | FUZxxl, af39eb128ea40563e568305d6ede57e1 debian-7.3.0-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 22:42.25 | FUZxxl | centrx: Thank you |
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| 22:42.41 | centrx | You are welcome! |
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| 22:43.14 | schone | maybe better asked |
| 22:43.22 | schone | how can I brew my own builder base image |
| 22:43.26 | schone | pbuilder* |
| 22:46.12 | Moor | Does anyone know how I can add Grub or Debian to the BIOS boot options on an Asus Ultrabook |
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| 22:46.17 | Moor | ? |
| 22:46.44 | babilen | nounch: Because that would mean that you install a desktop environment as we offer the "Desktop task" which will install, based on your selection of install media of selection in the boot menu either Gnome, KDE, XFCE or LXDE. My understanding was that you don't want to install a DE, but your favourite WM. |
| 22:47.46 | babilen | nounch: Personally I am also no friend of the Desktop task as it installs a massive metapackage that depends on everything and the kitchen sink. I'd like a more fine grained approach as exemplified with gnome-session in <install gnome> |
| 22:48.19 | jhutchins | Moor: That's not how it works. |
| 22:48.27 | babilen | schone: I'd take that to #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:48.36 | schone | thanks babilen |
| 22:48.38 | jhutchins | In the BIOS, select the device you installed GRUB to. |
| 22:48.51 | schone | or maybe not... |
| 22:48.54 | schone | evidently its invite only |
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| 22:49.00 | jhutchins | Moor: Grub will start the bootloader that will give you a menu of systems to boot. |
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| 22:49.13 | babilen | schone: on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.net) not here on Freenode |
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| 22:49.22 | schone | babilen: got ya |
| 22:49.23 | babilen | err, irc.debian.org |
| 22:49.23 | schone | thanks |
| 22:49.29 | schone | will do |
| 22:49.30 | schone | thanks |
| 22:49.35 | babilen | See you there :) |
| 22:49.42 | schone | c ya there ;) |
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| 22:50.11 | jhutchins | Moor: Does that make sense? |
| 22:50.17 | Moor | jhutchins: Okay. But how do I find the device that Grub was installed to? |
| 22:50.26 | nounch | babilen: Well, I'd like to have at least Openbox and Awesome, but I can pretty much live without Gnome, for instance, for most of the things. So yeah, I shouldn't need the full-blown thing from that point of view, but it just would come in handy to have things like *-utils/*-goodies packages installed right from the start. |
| 22:50.30 | Moor | it's not one of the options. |
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| 22:51.15 | FUZxxl | EFI sucks. Had to fiddle around quite a lot to get my system running again after BIOS-EPROM swap |
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| 22:52.04 | babilen | nounch: Simply install what you want to have. I'd start with a minimal install (i.e. standard task) and then continue with the Xorg and awesome/openbox installation. You *definitely* want to install microcode for your processor (to ensure that it is not buggy by installing amd64-microcode or intel-microcode respectively. |
| 22:52.18 | Moor | So I assumed I needed to add it as one of the options. |
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| 22:52.33 | babilen | nounch: Once you are done with that you can install whatever else you need. |
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| 22:55.43 | Moor | jhutchins: And for adding an option, I need to find out what the path ro the thibg is or something. |
| 22:56.12 | Moor | But I haven't been able to fibs anything on line |
| 22:56.17 | Moor | about that. |
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| 22:56.49 | nounch | babilen: What's wrong with http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.3.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ? |
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| 22:59.45 | babilen | nounch: It does not contain firmware and comes with both amd64 and i386 packages (which you don't necessarily need if you know what you want to install). Apart from that there is nothing wrong with it per-se. |
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| 23:01.50 | Moor | jhutchins: so do you have any idea where I could find instructions for that? |
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| 23:03.07 | Moor | jhutchins: Microsoft only provides instructions on if it's part of the windows filesystem, or something |
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| 23:22.14 | klys | !ptr |
| 23:22.14 | dpkg | hmm... ptr is pointer PTR is the type of DNS record which maps ip addresses to names (reverse DNS) |
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| 23:22.54 | klys | see "DNS and BIND - O'Reilly" or I hope, someone knows DNS |
| 23:23.40 | petemc | dig x |
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| 23:24.04 | petemc | dig -x |
| 23:25.37 | petn-randall | SmashingX: 'dig -x <ip address>', as petemc said. |
| 23:26.13 | SmashingX | Do you know how can I dod that in Windows by any chance? |
| 23:26.16 | SmashingX | do |
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| 23:30.51 | petn-randall | SmashingX: No. It kind of doesn't make sense to ask that in a Debian channel ... |
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| 23:32.59 | teraflop | theres a dig binary SmashingX its easy if you serah the web |
| 23:33.42 | teraflop | you can use cygwin if you want |
| 23:35.15 | SmashingX | petn-randall: well, I ask that because I don't see any windows channel in this network, also we are talking about this issue and probably somebody would know |
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| 23:35.44 | ctmjr | ##windows |
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| 23:35.59 | Thrasymachus | lol |
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| 23:37.43 | petn-randall | SmashingX: No problem, for the future though it might make sense to ask Windows questions elsewhere. This channel has probably the lowest Windows user density on the entire freenode network. |
| 23:37.56 | teraflop | lol |
| 23:38.22 | Thrasymachus | and ##windows has the highest (is my guess) |
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| 23:44.17 | johnfreez | xit |
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| 23:53.21 | DX099 | hello, is there anyway to get Auth Digest module for nginx in Debian Wheezy ? |
| 23:53.29 | DX099 | without recompiling ? |
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