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| 00:01.56 | funkster | krababbel: yeah but i wouldnt know the IP of default GW, this is a server setup that will be in multiple locations, networks will change, etc |
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| 00:06.24 | krababbel | funkster: will this server always have a wireless interface as well? I've never had problems with just one interface and routing. |
| 00:06.41 | funkster | it iwll always have wired and wireless |
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| 00:07.12 | funkster | i will ifdown wireless when both are active, and will use wireless only when wired isnt active. |
| 00:07.58 | dashs | Is apt-clone the way to make the package-set on a new system the same as another? |
| 00:08.04 | krababbel | funkster: I haven't done this, but dhclient apparently has some scripts in /etc you can edit. |
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| 00:09.09 | tomatosalad | anybody got a good conky config optimized for 1024x600? |
| 00:09.22 | tremon | !tell dashs -about debian clone |
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| 00:11.27 | ttal | Hi all, im looking for a resource to teach me the process for adding sources and installing applications that are not allowed by default. I am trying to install "docky" on debian wheezy. How would I go about that? |
| 00:12.02 | tomatosalad | do you have sudo? |
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| 00:12.11 | tomatosalad | oh, wait |
| 00:12.15 | tomatosalad | I see what you mean, I think |
| 00:12.40 | ttal | i dont appear to have sudo installed. "bash: sudo: command not found |
| 00:12.42 | tomatosalad | "not allowed by default?" |
| 00:12.43 | tomatosalad | yeah, ok |
| 00:12.49 | tomatosalad | first thing you need to do is su |
| 00:12.57 | tomatosalad | enter the root password, not your password |
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| 00:13.02 | ttal | yes. |
| 00:13.02 | tomatosalad | after that, do apt-get install sudo |
| 00:13.07 | tomatosalad | after that, visudo |
| 00:13.35 | tomatosalad | copy the %sudo entry, replacing the %sudo with your username |
| 00:13.44 | tomatosalad | exit from the root sesion, do sudo apt-get install docky |
| 00:13.48 | tomatosalad | that should get you set up |
| 00:13.52 | tomatosalad | because docky is in wheezy |
| 00:14.16 | pero | he will probably need to relogin |
| 00:14.26 | tomatosalad | oh, yeah |
| 00:15.14 | ttal | when i try to install sudo: it says "madia change: please insert disc labelled 'debian gnu/linux 7.3.0 wheezy….." |
| 00:15.26 | tomatosalad | oh. |
| 00:15.35 | tomatosalad | do nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:15.46 | tomatosalad | and remove the line that has something relating to CDs, it should be near the top. |
| 00:16.56 | tomatosalad | ...after that, do apt-get update |
| 00:16.59 | tomatosalad | before you install sudo |
| 00:17.41 | ttal | E: package 'sudo' has no installation candidate. |
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| 00:18.39 | tomatosalad | did you apt-get update? |
| 00:18.43 | ttal | yes. |
| 00:18.49 | tomatosalad | hang on, can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 00:20.20 | ttal | http://pastebin.com/CcVXPzgA |
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| 00:20.57 | tomatosalad | scratches his head |
| 00:20.57 | nell | Hello |
| 00:21.05 | nell | I have just resized my partition to be 16gb |
| 00:21.15 | pero | whats the site i can see a package's progress through the repos/release? like how many of gnome 3.10 packages are ready in sid and which ones are not |
| 00:21.16 | nell | I want to clone it to an encrypted container on a USB drive |
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| 00:22.45 | ttal | tomatosalad: Package sudo is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 00:23.33 | tomatosalad | ttal: that's...odd. I've never had that happen. I mean, I've had that error, but not with sudo |
| 00:24.03 | ttal | should i restart / log out or something. |
| 00:24.29 | tomatosalad | ttal: yeah, I'd do another apt-get update, and then another shot at it |
| 00:24.32 | tremon | ttal: read the file you pasted again. It specifically says "a network mirror was not selected during install" |
| 00:24.38 | tomatosalad | oh. |
| 00:24.41 | tomatosalad | yeah, there's your problem |
| 00:25.07 | tomatosalad | uh, let me throw one of mine up, hang on |
| 00:25.21 | tremon | pero: if you're thinking of http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html -- it's not updated anymore, it was specifically for the gnome2 -> gnome3 migration |
| 00:25.24 | ttal | so do I uncomment those two lines? |
| 00:25.50 | pero | trem0r: i swear i've seen that except for 3.10 |
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| 00:26.01 | tremon | pero: the canonical site is packages.qa.debian.org, but fafaik that won't give you a ready-to-use overview for multiple packages |
| 00:26.14 | pero | tremon: ^^ |
| 00:26.39 | pero | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.10-status.html |
| 00:26.42 | tomatosalad | ttal: here, stick this on the end and run update again http://pastebin.com/hf4t097g |
| 00:27.20 | tremon | pero: heh :) |
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| 00:28.38 | ttal | tomatosalad: what is that doing exactly? |
| 00:28.44 | ttal | *doing now* |
| 00:28.54 | tomatosalad | ttal: adds the debian wheezy repos to your sources.list |
| 00:29.11 | tremon | more specifically, adds a network mirror for apt to use |
| 00:29.13 | tomatosalad | ttal: and then pulls the package lists from them |
| 00:29.14 | tomatosalad | yeah. |
| 00:29.27 | ttal | what were the ones starting with ftp for? |
| 00:29.50 | ttal | *sudo is installing* |
| 00:30.09 | tremon | ttal: they're just different mirrors, same content |
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| 00:32.04 | __user__ | how can i compile a kernel module so it will load into the running kernel? |
| 00:32.30 | __user__ | that is a kernel module i wrote myself, a hello world for instance |
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| 00:34.09 | ttal | tomatosalad: fantastic, all worked perfectly. |
| 00:34.20 | ttal | Thank you very much. |
| 00:34.27 | ttal | & tremon . |
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| 00:40.39 | ttal | is it possible to install the chrome browser as opposed to chromium? |
| 00:41.01 | centrx | ttal, Yes, you just have to download it from Google |
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| 00:41.07 | centrx | ttal, I would recommend sticking with the Debian package |
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| 00:46.12 | ttal | i will take your advice, thank you. |
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| 00:48.17 | ChibaPet | Anyone know offhand why debugfs wouldn't see a file as deleted if lsof sees it as deleted, where the file is still help open by a process? Specifically, I want to relink a file back into its directory after an imprudent rm. I can just copy out the data from the file descriptors, but then ... eh, just doing it. Tedious though. |
| 00:49.56 | ttal | is thunderbird available for debian, no? |
| 00:50.22 | peterS | it's been renamed, like most mozilla products |
| 00:50.29 | tremon | search for icedove |
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| 00:51.11 | peterS | or better yet search for thunderbird. 'apt-cache search thunderbird' will show icedove, amongst a lot of other noise |
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| 00:52.02 | ttal | would you say icedove is the best email client for debian? |
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| 00:52.53 | ScottE | ttal: claws is pretty decent GUI mail client too, I'd give them both a spin |
| 00:52.57 | peterS | I'd say mutt is. but there are dozens of email clients in debian and each one has at least one person who thinks it's the best one |
| 00:53.13 | ChibaPet | ttal: I would recommend mutt as well. |
| 00:53.34 | ChibaPet | ttal: And now the mutt fans have a numerical majority here. |
| 00:53.34 | peterS | oh I'm not saying I would _recommend_ mutt. not to most people. I just said _I_ think it's the best. (: |
| 00:54.33 | ChibaPet | "Here, YOU use THIS one." =scapes MUA off plate onto floor= |
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| 00:54.55 | peterS | mutt is very much optimized for the case where you're reading mail exclusively in mailboxes on your local system. that used to be the overwhelmingly common case on Unix, but probably isn't anymore. |
| 00:55.14 | ChibaPet | Eh? Mutt is a fabulous IMAP client. =boggle= |
| 00:55.26 | ttal | thanks for that guys. |
| 00:55.29 | ChibaPet | And you can script it so it'll do things like use LDAP in an Exchange environment, etc. |
| 00:55.34 | peterS | is it? I haven't used its IMAP support because I heard a long time ago that it kinda sucked |
| 00:55.39 | ttal | can you view images in mutt? |
| 00:55.42 | ChibaPet | No, no, it's very usable. |
| 00:55.49 | ttal | or they just open with the viewer. |
| 00:56.02 | peterS | not directly in mutt. mutt calls other apps for anything that doesn't fit in your xterm. including images. |
| 00:56.06 | ChibaPet | ttal: Not directly, although you can set up mailcap entries. |
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| 00:56.22 | ttal | understood. |
| 00:56.44 | ChibaPet | ttal: You can largely automate a viewer, so you don't have to save-and-manually-view. You can also render HTML with various programs, to varying levels of quality. |
| 00:57.14 | ChibaPet | If there's any real flaw, it's that HTML mail that includes complex formatting like tables is rough. |
| 00:57.33 | ttal | i'd imagine so. |
| 00:57.35 | peterS | yeah I have it call elinks on html mail which is mostly just fine, but elinks does have its limitations |
| 00:58.09 | ChibaPet | Mutt is not the easy choice, but it's likely the most powerful, with its competition being the somewhat less capable Gnus or other Emacs-based readers. |
| 00:58.52 | peterS | are there other emacs-based readers? I used to use vm, way way back in the day, but my feeling is that gnus more or less obsoleted rmail and vm and the others at some point |
| 00:58.55 | ChibaPet | If you just want a quick mailreader that does most of it for you right off the bat, Icedove works well. |
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| 00:59.13 | ChibaPet | peterS: Gnus, VM, Mew, others. Let's see... |
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| 00:59.39 | ChibaPet | http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CategoryMail |
| 00:59.41 | peterS | vm was awesome, but eventually as I failed to keep my mailboxes trim, it became too slow. that's what made me switch to mutt. |
| 00:59.59 | peterS | the fact that vm couldn't efficiently handle mailboxes of more than a few thousand messages |
| 01:00.52 | ChibaPet | I think Emacs as a mailreading platform will pick up when it starts to handle asynchronous things better. |
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| 01:02.33 | ChibaPet | But yeah, Mutt seamlessly handles mailboxes with tens of thousands of messages for me, here. |
| 01:02.58 | peterS | speaking of asynchronous things, one of the things I always loved about VM was, after you started it up, if you idled for awhile, it would cycle little messages through your minibuffer, like "In stereo (where available)" |
| 01:03.07 | ChibaPet | heh |
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| 01:04.00 | peterS | these days nobody would get that reference, but 30 years ago, TV shows always showed that text, because not all TVs and TV stations handled stereo sound |
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| 01:06.08 | ChibaPet | Risking going a bit far off-topic, I wonder if you remember any simulcast radio-and-tv presentations... |
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| 01:06.53 | peterS | I don't |
| 01:07.23 | ChibaPet | I remember it once, but I don't remember what it was. I was young. |
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| 01:07.45 | sheap | is it possible to wget a script during the partitioning phase of a debian preseed |
| 01:08.10 | peterS | I...don't think the preseed lets you run arbitrary scripts at all, does it? |
| 01:08.26 | babilen | peterS: It lets you run a script at the end |
| 01:08.34 | peterS | ah of course |
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| 01:08.42 | babilen | But that is about it IIRC |
| 01:08.50 | sheap | just at the end? |
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| 01:09.45 | sheap | I have to come up with a way for it to know to dd if it's a standard partition setup or if it's a raid set up |
| 01:10.15 | sheap | *zeroing out the drives |
| 01:10.22 | ttal | is it possible to get sublime text 2 on debian? anybody running it on wheezy? |
| 01:10.24 | sheap | but that comes before partitioning |
| 01:10.51 | babilen | sheap: Are you encrypting the device? |
| 01:10.55 | sheap | no |
| 01:11.48 | sheap | babilen: just that when it sees a raid device it shouldnt dd /dev/sda, it should do a different target |
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| 01:12.22 | peterS | wait how are you getting it to run dd at all? |
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| 01:12.37 | peterS | I mean whatever you're doing, get it to run a script instead |
| 01:12.49 | tremon | sheap: there's three script hooks, preseed/run, preseed/late and preseed/boot. None of those run anywhere near the partitioning step sadly |
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| 01:13.14 | sheap | tremon: any before it that would work..? |
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| 01:13.32 | peterS | tremon: an early script could copy a later script into the appropriate dir though where it would run automatically at the appropriate time....? |
| 01:13.56 | babilen | sheap: Why do you want to do that? |
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| 01:13.57 | tremon | the only one before it preseed/run, that runs as soon as the preseed file is loaded. So it runs before any disk drivers are loaded |
| 01:13.58 | peterS | (as d-i is all about just finding scripts in a specific place and running them all) |
| 01:14.17 | tremon | *is* preseed/run |
| 01:14.21 | sheap | tremon: aghh ok |
| 01:14.23 | sheap | thank you |
| 01:15.06 | tremon | I've tried to workaround the debian installer's partitioning recipes before. It's not easy :( |
| 01:15.26 | sheap | :/ |
| 01:15.34 | ChibaPet | Just hardcoding some numbers was beyond me. |
| 01:15.35 | sheap | oh well |
| 01:15.38 | sheap | I guess that's not happening |
| 01:15.49 | babilen | sheap: Are you trying to fix a particular problem? |
| 01:16.06 | sheap | babilen: no just clear the disk before it installs again |
| 01:16.18 | babilen | why? |
| 01:16.59 | sheap | so no data gets left behind? |
| 01:17.06 | babilen | honest question .. I simply don't quite see the point as previous data won't be part of any new filesystem anyway |
| 01:17.12 | sheap | oh idk |
| 01:17.23 | sheap | just one of the requests that I got for this thing |
| 01:17.25 | peterS | there are valid reasons. I do a lot of disk wiping between uses for HIPAA compliance at my job |
| 01:17.43 | babilen | sheap: Well, if you were concerned about data that could be restored you would want to encrypt it and wipe it with multiple passes of random data |
| 01:17.55 | peterS | the 'multiple passes' thing is mostly a myth |
| 01:17.56 | tremon | there's quite some data that can be recovered via tools like testdisk (photorec), even after a disk format |
| 01:18.15 | peterS | it may have been true 20 years ago but apparently it hasn't really been true for modern densities of magnetic media for awhile |
| 01:18.55 | babilen | tremon: Sure, all of these are naturally valid reasons ... |
| 01:19.08 | sheap | peterS: did you ever use preseed along with your wipes/reinstalls or no |
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| 01:19.18 | peterS | sheap: no I do the wipes as a separate step |
| 01:19.23 | sheap | ah ok |
| 01:19.34 | peterS | my preference on that sort of thing, btw, is to use pv rather than dd |
| 01:19.48 | sheap | care to explain? |
| 01:19.49 | babilen | dd is completely overrated anyway :) |
| 01:19.49 | peterS | dd doesn't show progress, and a typical modern sized hard disk can take a long time to whipe |
| 01:19.52 | peterS | wipe, even |
| 01:19.56 | sheap | oh |
| 01:19.57 | sheap | yea |
| 01:20.02 | sheap | I've noticed haha |
| 01:20.14 | babilen | dcfldd is a better dd replacement |
| 01:20.32 | peterS | pv -s 1953514584k < /dev/zero > /dev/sda # for a typical 2 TB disk |
| 01:20.39 | babilen | (pv is nice, but offers different functionality) |
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| 01:21.38 | peterS | I think i sent a patch to the pv author at some point to auto-detect the size of the destination file when the source is a char device which obviously has no size |
| 01:21.53 | peterS | if that patch has been applied you don't need the -s 1953514584k |
| 01:22.08 | babilen | sheap: You might want to file a wishlist bug against debian-installer and ask them to make it possible to wipe/overwrite the disk explicitly in preseeding. |
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| 01:22.31 | sheap | babilen: suppose so |
| 01:22.39 | sheap | peterS: I think I'll have to check that out then |
| 01:22.50 | peterS | well, pv isn't provided by debian-installer, note |
| 01:23.08 | babilen | gnome.udeb |
| 01:23.09 | peterS | so it's not exactly convenient to put into the d-i phase, preseeded or otherwise |
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| 01:23.31 | sheap | *sigh* oh computers |
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| 01:24.34 | peterS | anyway pv is awesome and I can't recommend it enough, for tasks where you have data flowing from point A to point B and there's enough data to take more than a couple minutes |
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| 01:24.52 | sheap | ISO's to usb drives? |
| 01:25.02 | peterS | yes |
| 01:25.06 | babilen | indeed .. and it works awesomely well in pipes |
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| 01:25.20 | babilen | The name is a give away |
| 01:25.31 | peterS | pv < /tmp/debian.iso > /dev/sde # your usb disk |
| 01:26.11 | sheap | Strange how I've never heard of it |
| 01:26.15 | sheap | but I'll def check i tout now |
| 01:26.25 | peterS | I evangelize it every chance I get. too many people haven't heard of it. (: |
| 01:27.19 | sheap | haha yea, I feeel like it should be mentioned on the iso download pages for distributions, might be a handy place to discover it |
| 01:28.21 | peterS | if pv knows the data size (the -s option, or if the data source is a regular file that therefore has a known size), it shows full stats with a progress bar. If the size is not known, it can't show a progress bar but it still can show you the speed and the data-so-far |
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| 01:30.04 | sheap | pretttyyy slick |
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| 01:30.14 | peterS | when it comes right down to it, both dd and pv are "cat with a bunch of extra features". But what gets me is that so many people use dd in situations where (a) the extra features it has over cat are not needed or wanted, and (b) pv's features would actually be useful |
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| 01:31.42 | babilen | peterS: A lot of people treat dd as some kind of magic "low-level" tool that can write data where other tools can't |
| 01:32.05 | peterS | babilen: yeah that has bothered me for years. "oooh there's a block device involved, better use dd instead of cp" |
| 01:32.19 | babilen | Exactly, same here |
| 01:32.50 | peterS | where the _default_ dd mode is bs=1024 which is _less_ efficient than the cp default (basically the C stdio default) |
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| 01:33.07 | ikla | how do I make an application start in init once networking is up? |
| 01:33.11 | ikla | or to wait until networking is up |
| 01:33.15 | ChibaPet | You can use cp outside of the context of a filesystem? |
| 01:33.19 | sheap | one time I dd'd to the drive that I was using |
| 01:33.24 | sheap | that was fun |
| 01:33.29 | babilen | I was about to make a similar remark. It is amazing that people use dd even though it is less efficient by default and uses a horrible syntax. |
| 01:33.30 | peterS | ikla: I'd use a 'post-up' line in /etc/network/interfaces, but I'm just weird that way |
| 01:33.46 | ikla | whats the standard way |
| 01:33.56 | babilen | ChibaPet: Yes, you can "cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb" just fine. |
| 01:33.59 | peterS | ChibaPet: 'cp /dev/cdrom /tmp/xyz.iso' - sure |
| 01:34.01 | nosklo | ikla: which application? |
| 01:34.05 | ChibaPet | wow |
| 01:34.11 | ikla | init script that requires networking |
| 01:34.22 | ikla | or maybe after nfs mounts then start it |
| 01:34.23 | babilen | ChibaPet: everything is a file |
| 01:34.37 | babilen | ChibaPet: Now go and copy your soundcard to the printer ;) |
| 01:34.46 | ChibaPet | hehe |
| 01:34.50 | nosklo | ikla: yeah but what does it do? Why is it not part of a package with already configured init scripts? |
| 01:34.55 | tremon | ikla: with a Required-Start: $network line in the init script. See man insserv |
| 01:35.16 | peterS | ChibaPet: of course there are command-line options to treat special file types specially in cp, but if you don't say otherwise, it just opens the input file for reading, opens the output file for writing, and shovels data |
| 01:35.32 | peterS | and those things work fine for "device files" like /dev/sda or /dev/cdrom |
| 01:35.44 | ikla | what would go for Required-Start NFS filesystems |
| 01:35.53 | peterS | (well, writing to /dev/cdrom typically won't work....) |
| 01:37.09 | ikla | can I list whats set to start at boot? |
| 01:37.23 | peterS | ikla: ls /etc/rcS.d /etc/rc2.d |
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| 01:37.37 | peterS | where S is early boot and 2 is the default run level that happens after S |
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| 01:37.57 | peterS | look for scripts (really symlinks) beginning with "S" |
| 01:38.19 | peterS | as opposed to "X" (disabled) or "K" (kill, i.e., make sure something is _not_ running) |
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| 01:41.56 | ponyofdeath | any ideas what could be causing these http://paste.ubuntu.com/6852681/ during heavy use on an syba sata card using marvell chipset? |
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| 01:44.17 | saintberry | Hey I'm having a hard time getting tightvncserver up and running on a squeeze server. The issue is with fonts. I can't seem to install xfonts-base. |
| 01:44.20 | saintberry | It segfaults with |
| 01:44.25 | saintberry | head: cannot open `/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/fonts.dir' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 01:44.43 | saintberry | Google turned up nothing and I'm a n00b when it comes to anything xserv related |
| 01:44.45 | saintberry | any ideas? |
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| 01:45.31 | saintberry | without this package tightvncserver complains about not being able to find fixed font |
| 01:46.32 | ChibaPet | ponyofdeath: What release of Debian are you using? |
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| 01:49.38 | peterS | saintberry: weird. is mkfontdir installed? (I mean the file /usr/bin/mkfontdir, I'm not sure which package it was in, in squeeze) |
| 01:49.59 | peterS | there should have been a dependency from xfonts-base to whatever package contains mkfontdir, so the latter should be installed |
| 01:50.22 | saintberry | peterS I'll check |
| 01:50.40 | saintberry | yeah it is |
| 01:50.45 | saintberry | $ which mkfontdir |
| 01:50.51 | saintberry | ./usr/bin/mkfontdir |
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| 01:51.08 | peterS | so as root, can you run mkfontdir /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc ? |
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| 01:51.45 | saintberry | that ran fine |
| 01:51.59 | saintberry | now remote and install xfonts-base again? |
| 01:52.00 | peterS | so now 'dpkg --configure -a' to retry the configure for xfonts-base |
| 01:52.06 | saintberry | awesome |
| 01:52.20 | saintberry | that ran without error |
| 01:52.28 | peterS | then continue with tightvnc |
| 01:52.42 | saintberry | and we're up and running :D |
| 01:52.50 | saintberry | you're a champion peterS |
| 01:53.02 | str3 | no u |
| 01:53.03 | peterS | ok now upgrade to debian stable (: most of us don't still have squeeze installed so it's a bit harder to help with that |
| 01:53.14 | peterS | anyway, glad it worked |
| 01:53.25 | saintberry | this server is running open media vault |
| 01:54.03 | saintberry | so stuck with squeeze for the time being :/ |
| 01:54.33 | peterS | nothing wrong with squeeze really. I run a lot of squeeze systems at work. upgrading everything just takes awhile. |
| 01:54.56 | saintberry | cool |
| 01:55.15 | saintberry | this box has been stable for years, not really visited it. I'm now just trying to get the google music uploader working on it |
| 01:55.20 | saintberry | and failed at getting it to work headless |
| 01:55.25 | saintberry | hence vnc |
| 01:55.52 | peterS | veni, vedi, vnc |
| 01:55.56 | dvs | saintberry: well, support for it will run out in 4 months |
| 01:56.45 | saintberry | dvs good to know. Hopefully the OMV guys are going to do a distupgrade soon. |
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| 01:57.46 | someElise | hi, i'm trying to install debian from a usb stick with the hd-media install image. it boots, but claims it cannot find the iso. I can switch to another VT, see the iso, and even mount it to /cdrom. Given that, how do I make the installer continue? |
| 01:58.06 | dvs | someElise: Why dont you use the ISO image? |
| 01:58.38 | someElise | dvs: My main machine creating the bootable USB stick is windows, and I don't know what dd-like equivilent to use |
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| 01:58.47 | peterS | someElise: yeah these days you want the iso install image, which is _also_ compatible with hd media |
| 01:58.53 | dvs | someElise: win32diskimage |
| 01:58.56 | peterS | the iso in other words is dual-purpose |
| 01:58.57 | someElise | I already have /cdrom mounted, can't I just tell it "go ahead"? |
| 01:59.48 | someElise | And If I didn't want to effectively dd the image (say to have multiple isos on the usb), how would I do that? |
| 01:59.50 | peterS | I never quite figured out how to tell debian-installer that it's good to go with the mounted 'cdrom' either |
| 01:59.57 | someElise | :/ |
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| 02:05.44 | Incentive | is there a way for me to paste from tty? |
| 02:05.54 | Incentive | I would like to grab an error message from there. or perhaps a place it's logged |
| 02:06.01 | Incentive | even output to a file would be useful |
| 02:06.09 | dvs | Incentive: tty in an X session? |
| 02:06.21 | Incentive | ctrl+alt+f2 tty |
| 02:06.25 | Incentive | or f1, etc |
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| 02:06.47 | ikla | which is non gui run level in debian 3? |
| 02:06.49 | Incentive | i'm trying to set up pam_mount and getting an odd error message on login |
| 02:07.10 | dvs | Incentive: Oh, I think the gpm package can do that. |
| 02:07.19 | dvs | Incentive: if you have a mouse. |
| 02:07.44 | Incentive | ah. managed it. |
| 02:07.51 | Incentive | root terminal, login as my user |
| 02:07.55 | Incentive | replicates in X |
| 02:08.10 | Incentive | (mount.c:76): NOTE: mount.crypt does not support utab (systems with no mtab or read-only mtab) yet. This means that you will temporarily need to call umount.crypt(8) rather than umount(8) to get crypto volumes unmounted. |
| 02:08.10 | Incentive | (mount.c:76): crypt_activate_by_passphrase: Operation not permitted |
| 02:08.26 | Incentive | trying to mount a LUKS volume and prompt for password |
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| 02:09.43 | Incentive | this 'crypt_activate_by_passphrase' error gets very limited search results :/ |
| 02:12.06 | ponyofdeath | ChibaPet: I am using debian testing but have custom kernel |
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| 02:13.31 | Incentive | does anyone have any ideas? anyone with experience using pam_mount with LUKS |
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| 02:31.16 | petn-randall | ponyofdeath: jessie/sid are supported on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 02:54.57 | problem | hello |
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| 02:56.59 | thims | Hi |
| 02:57.26 | problem | I have some problem with grub2, I format and reinstall for ad ssd+hd drive, I use dual SO pc, install first time in ssd in partition, then install debian 7 /home in ssd and /var/ log/ home/ in hd, when try reboot can access from grub to windows, try update-grub2 and not work |
| 02:57.52 | problem | Search some time in net but dont see how solve it |
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| 02:58.27 | problem | anyone have some idea how I can resolve it? |
| 02:59.43 | vimel | problem: use a live cd to remove all linux parts (partitions) then reinstall debian from your debian installer. the installer should do the rest. if you want grub 2.0 you need debian jessie installer. |
| 03:00.07 | Incentive | looking into /etc/pam.d/common-password, it looks as if SHA512 is used for user login password hashes |
| 03:00.21 | Incentive | is this correct? I am mainly wondering if it is 'stronger' than my luks password |
| 03:00.25 | problem | I can access to debian, is windows not appear in grub |
| 03:00.49 | Incentive | which basically means that I can link them and the weaker link will be my encryption (more realistically the fact that my password is not 256bit entropy, but I digress) |
| 03:00.50 | problem | I dont like specialy grub or grub2 only need access windows and linux SO |
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| 03:07.23 | petn-randall | Incentive: Both passwords are salted, but the LUKS one is definitely stronger since it is hashed for so many rounds that the decryption of the key takes about 1 second. |
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| 03:10.11 | Incentive | how many rounds is done on the user password, then? just 1 or 2? |
| 03:10.39 | Incentive | i'm a little confused about how multiple hashing rounds increase security |
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| 03:10.56 | Incentive | it seems to me that adding another 1 bit of entropy is equivalent to hashing twice as many times |
| 03:11.21 | shawnbon206_ | using gnome 3 for the first time, fresh install wheezy, having a problem where the screen will never power off when the screen is locked |
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| 03:12.04 | vimel | shawnbon206_: have you looked at your power management settings? |
| 03:12.36 | petn-randall | Incentive: It would go a little too far to explain it all, if you're interested in this topic there's surely enough material about it on the net. |
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| 03:16.39 | shawnbon206_ | vimel, let me look. i looked everywhere it seems |
| 03:16.57 | vimel | shawnbon206_: you may also want to reset gnome 3 settings |
| 03:18.06 | shawnbon206_ | vimel, the power management setting only says suspend after 1 hour if on A/C. i want my display to turn off before that |
| 03:18.57 | vimel | have you checked gnome extensions for an extension to fix your issue? they have lots of them. |
| 03:19.01 | shawnbon206_ | in "brightness and lock" i have "turn screen off when inactive for 10 minutes" |
| 03:19.15 | shawnbon206_ | and it just shows me a lock screen after 10 minutes |
| 03:19.19 | shawnbon206_ | but the screen stays on |
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| 03:21.13 | vimel | is the line here commented out? nano /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume |
| 03:21.39 | vimel | that ensures hibernation is enabled. |
| 03:21.53 | shawnbon206_ | nope |
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| 03:21.56 | arbitrary | Hello! |
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| 03:23.32 | zophy | #linux is disappointing |
| 03:23.45 | ikla | debian is disappointing |
| 03:23.54 | arbitrary | I like debian :( |
| 03:24.01 | mstiehm | me 2 |
| 03:24.05 | vimel | ^ |
| 03:24.35 | arbitrary | What window managers are you all using? :) |
| 03:24.39 | zophy | debian is developement to me |
| 03:24.46 | shawnbon206_ | debian is awesome |
| 03:24.50 | arbitrary | ^ |
| 03:24.56 | zophy | i kerlove gnome3 |
| 03:25.04 | ikla | its all the same shit |
| 03:25.04 | zophy | kisses |
| 03:25.05 | arbitrary | gives props to shawnbon206_ |
| 03:25.08 | juniorzoid | arbitrary: openbox |
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| 03:25.22 | ikla | but each distro likes to put things in odd ball places |
| 03:25.22 | arbitrary | juniorzoid: oooh, I like openbox! |
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| 03:25.34 | arbitrary | I personally use xfce4 at the moment. |
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| 03:25.44 | zophy | i love win 8 too, i love spacey creative environments |
| 03:25.57 | arbitrary | zophy: Have they fixed the horrible bugs with gnome3 where it would randomly crash for no reason? |
| 03:26.10 | zube | my distro came pre-installed with Python2 and I've just installed Python-3.3.0. Is there a way I can run Python3 from anywhere on my system? |
| 03:26.11 | zophy | arbitrary, never had that happen |
| 03:26.12 | ikla | xfce should be #1 in debian |
| 03:26.15 | vimel | shawnbon206_: you can try to reset gnome 3 settings something similar to this http://askubuntu.com/questions/56313/how-do-i-reset-gnome-to-the-defaults |
| 03:26.34 | vimel | gnome 3 is much better now. has some minor issues on debian jessie. |
| 03:26.55 | zophy | arbitrary, been usiong gnome 3 for over a year or longer, never crashed |
| 03:27.06 | arbitrary | hm... when I tried using gnome3 last time, with... I think 7.0... it was super buggy. |
| 03:27.09 | vimel | i read that debian is moving to xfce default in jessie once its released. |
| 03:27.15 | juniorzoid | zube: What do you mean by anywhere on the system? |
| 03:27.19 | shawnbon206_ | vimel, its a fresh install as of this morning |
| 03:27.25 | zophy | arbitrary, there might be some X video chip problems |
| 03:27.50 | zube | juniorzoid: well if I type 'python' it runs only python2 |
| 03:27.54 | arbitrary | zophy: Well I'll try it again sometime. |
| 03:28.06 | zube | I don't know what to type to run python3 from any directory |
| 03:28.20 | shawnbon206_ | gnome 3 is pretty good now |
| 03:28.41 | shawnbon206_ | just dont know why it wont sleep my screen :P |
| 03:28.41 | themill | zube: "python" is supposed to be python 2. "python3" is supposed to give you python 3. |
| 03:28.48 | zophy | gnome 3 is the ultimate productive environment |
| 03:28.57 | zophy | win 8 is close |
| 03:28.58 | juniorzoid | zube: if the python3 binary is in your PATH you can just type python3. |
| 03:29.07 | shawnbon206_ | i like the "native window" extension |
| 03:29.09 | arbitrary | I"ve been thinking of giving awesome a chance. |
| 03:29.11 | zophy | and win 8 is prettier |
| 03:29.12 | shawnbon206_ | reminds me of expose in osx |
| 03:29.15 | themill | zophy: I think you were looking for #defocus. |
| 03:29.24 | zophy | eh |
| 03:29.50 | shawnbon206_ | windows 8 is prettier than gnome 3? no |
| 03:30.39 | zophy | the interface is more obtuse, hense more intriguing |
| 03:31.21 | zube | juniorzoin: thats the weird thing, the Python-3.3.0 folder does not have the 'python3' file. It has a 'python' file just like in the 'python2' folder |
| 03:31.21 | zophy | yes, the obtuse interface is more tantalizing |
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| 03:31.34 | mstiehm | I have ufw setup to 'limit' queries on port 53.. Works except one person seems to still be able to pass queries to my dns server unrestricted |
| 03:31.48 | mstiehm | spoofed ip |
| 03:31.57 | themill | zube: python is already packaged for debian and you'd be better off sticking with the packaged interpreters. The python and python3 packages may be of interest. |
| 03:32.35 | juniorzoid | zube: or if you really wanted to run the on you compiled you could alias it and put it in your PATH. Lots of options |
| 03:32.40 | juniorzoid | s/on/one |
| 03:32.51 | zube | I tried to alias it, but to no avail |
| 03:33.06 | zube | I put the alias pointing to the directory that python3 is in, but it did not work |
| 03:33.22 | zube | I put the alias in the /root/profile file |
| 03:33.24 | shawnbon206_ | ok gonna update to jessie cuz i have been drinking (otherwise i wouldnt). what is the problem with gnome in jessie? |
| 03:34.05 | vimel | shawnbon206_: everything seems to work for the most part. only issue i came across is fullscreen mode will not work for some websites and adobe flash. |
| 03:34.08 | themill | juniorzoid, zube: don't put different python interpreters into PATH -- that will cause lots of problems. |
| 03:34.12 | zube | this is the command I put in the profile file alias python3="/root/Python-3.3.0/./python" |
| 03:34.35 | shawnbon206_ | vimel, oh thats pretty serious |
| 03:34.39 | vimel | shawnbon206_: the common sites such as youtube work fine fullscreen mode in adobe flash. you could just change to html5 viewer. |
| 03:34.49 | vimel | shawnbon206_: thats why i said minor ;b |
| 03:35.51 | shawnbon206_ | hmm |
| 03:36.06 | shawnbon206_ | maybe it will fix my screen problem |
| 03:36.25 | shawnbon206_ | just change all sources to jessie then? |
| 03:36.43 | shawnbon206_ | then update and dist-upgrade |
| 03:36.43 | vimel | im on jessie and xfce. im very happy w my install. gaming works fine too. which is a plus. |
| 03:37.00 | vimel | yep. then apt-get update followed by apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 03:37.06 | shawnbon206_ | -u? |
| 03:37.30 | vimel | apt-get dist-upgrade works too |
| 03:38.16 | shawnbon206_ | good for online shopping? |
| 03:38.17 | shawnbon206_ | :D |
| 03:38.32 | shawnbon206_ | i like to live dangerously |
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| 03:39.18 | mamtina | lo, |
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| 03:39.24 | shawnbon206_ | 'lo |
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| 03:40.06 | NiLon | lo' |
| 03:40.46 | shawnbon206_ | ok gonna do it |
| 03:40.57 | mamtina | I have a question |
| 03:41.19 | Skaag | we may have answers |
| 03:41.44 | mamtina | is this normal ? http://sprunge.us/Rhch |
| 03:42.09 | NiLon | no |
| 03:42.20 | NiLon | titles should be before actual values |
| 03:42.20 | mamtina | I think it doesn't show that I'm connected to my computer |
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| 03:42.56 | Skaag | NiLon: not with the 'w' command, the titles are in the right place in his output, but there's nobody logged in |
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| 03:43.37 | Skaag | mamtina: could be your /dev/pts permissions are dafuk legamre |
| 03:43.59 | mamtina | legamre ? |
| 03:44.04 | Skaag | ken |
| 03:44.18 | Skaag | I mean they are broken |
| 03:44.58 | Skaag | or /var/run/utmp |
| 03:45.05 | mamtina | :'((( |
| 03:45.08 | mamtina | is that possible ? |
| 03:45.11 | mamtina | how? |
| 03:45.11 | mamtina | why? |
| 03:45.27 | Skaag | is this your desktop? |
| 03:45.34 | mamtina | yep |
| 03:45.53 | Skaag | try running the screen command |
| 03:45.59 | Skaag | see if it complains about /dev/pts |
| 03:46.33 | mamtina | I use tmux ! |
| 03:46.38 | Skaag | awesome |
| 03:46.44 | Skaag | me too |
| 03:46.51 | mamtina | :) |
| 03:46.52 | Skaag | try mounting your /dev/pts with: mount -t devpts devpts /dev/pts |
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| 03:46.59 | Skaag | in fact I'm in a tmux right now |
| 03:47.12 | mamtina | so am I |
| 03:47.22 | Skaag | maybe we are the same person! |
| 03:47.29 | mamtina | :D |
| 03:47.32 | Skaag | :-) |
| 03:47.51 | Skaag | grep --color devpts /proc/mounts |
| 03:50.28 | mamtina | Skaag, you there? http://paste.debian.net/79598/ |
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| 03:51.45 | mamtina | I'm wondering, may be there's a fucking hacker somewhere who got me ! 3:( |
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| 03:53.14 | NiLon | unlikely that there is just one |
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| 03:57.57 | Incentive | I've managed to get my luks home partition to mount now using pam_mount |
| 03:58.06 | Incentive | however, there is a small issue |
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| 03:58.23 | Incentive | using tty 'login', it mounts on login and unmounts on logout |
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| 03:58.54 | Incentive | using GDM, it mounts on login, but fails to unmount |
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| 04:00.02 | mamtina | NiLon, if that's the case, |
| 04:00.03 | mamtina | does he get an access to my terminal ? |
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| 04:00.37 | NiLon | not only to your terminal but to your darkest secrets |
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| 04:00.58 | mamtina | shit |
| 04:01.01 | mamtina | oooopss |
| 04:01.19 | mamtina | I'm fukin upset |
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| 04:02.48 | Skaag | mamtina: looks like it's already mounted |
| 04:03.24 | Skaag | (just saw your last paste) |
| 04:06.23 | mamtina | damn, I have to think about securising my system/(only one computer) |
| 04:10.23 | Skaag | mamtina: doing that is almost an art |
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| 04:13.23 | mamtina | I think he already got what I typed in my terminal, and he got what I talked here |
| 04:13.58 | mamtina | is that possible to disconnect all users which are connected other than me |
| 04:14.00 | mamtina | ? |
| 04:14.57 | mamtina | http://sprunge.us/fgNP |
| 04:14.58 | mamtina | lol |
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| 04:17.44 | Skaag | mamtina: just because your utmp is not working doesn't mean someone hacked you |
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| 04:21.16 | mamtina | mmmh, there's nothing which can break that, I'm not so far in linux |
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| 04:22.11 | aum | hi - i have just bought a new box with an Intel i5 processor - which debian arch do I need to use - I thought ia64, but it won't boot up |
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| 04:23.02 | hoactzin` | hey how can i mute/control sound for a specific process with alsa? |
| 04:23.06 | themill | aum: amd64 |
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| 04:56.25 | cz3141 | anyone installed & used telnet-ssl to their satisfaction? |
| 04:57.17 | cz3141 | what i am reading about it is that the telnetd-ssl server falls back to normal telnet protocol if connecting client is normal telnet... |
| 04:57.22 | cz3141 | not sure i like that idea |
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| 04:57.55 | cz3141 | unfortunately application i want to use implements telnet-ssl and is not ssh compatible... |
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| 05:55.05 | centrx | !ati |
| 05:55.05 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 06:52.12 | ttal | hi all, what would you recommend for desktop effects in debian if compiz is not supported? |
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| 06:54.05 | ttal | im specifically looking for window snapping like windows 7, to drag a window to the left for example and have it take up exactly half of the screen real-estate. |
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| 07:07.36 | vimel | ttal: gnome 3 has window snapping enabled by default |
| 07:08.50 | ttal | im running xfce4 |
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| 07:23.11 | vimel | ttal: only thing i found was window manager > advanced > window snapping or wrap workspaces look at those settings |
| 07:23.38 | ttal | yeah not working for me unfortunately. thanks for the help anyway though,. |
| 07:23.44 | vimel | yw |
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| 07:24.18 | Jonh24 | Hi! |
| 07:25.04 | Jonh24 | Channel is dead ;) ? |
| 07:26.32 | Mikaela | dpkg: tell Jonh24 about ask |
| 07:27.08 | Mikaela | And the offtopic channel is #debian-offtopic |
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| 07:29.58 | bonjoyee | hello all... |
| 07:30.11 | bonjoyee | I am using debian sid..ho |
| 07:30.52 | bonjoyee | I do not want to update libreoffice each and everytime...can i do this? |
| 07:31.14 | bonjoyee | the ..ho was a typo..please pardon |
| 07:31.24 | Mikaela | I think that there is "aptitude hold" command or something similar which can do that. |
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| 07:32.10 | joj | dpkg: tell bonjoyee about apt-pinning |
| 07:32.12 | bonjoyee | Mikaela: Thanks..will that hold all other packages related to libreoffice? Like Ac |
| 07:32.35 | bonjoyee | Like Calc, Impress and other dependencies? |
| 07:32.38 | Jonh24 | Mikaela: Ok, so... I have problem with micropone on alsa... My sound card is integrated with cpu (intel haswell hd/lynx point hd)... Alsa has got correct mixer settings... |
| 07:33.13 | Mikaela | I'm not sure. |
| 07:33.37 | Mikaela | Jonh24: I don't know anything to help with your issue, but someone else might if you wait for them to answer. |
| 07:33.45 | Mikaela | must go out with the dog. |
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| 07:36.24 | joj | Jonh24: you may find pointers here: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-audio-users/msg93963.html |
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| 07:42.38 | rf5 | Hello. im getting this message :p:, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006 when typing ssh -V , whats going on ? any ideas? |
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| 07:44.13 | Jonh24 | joj: Yes, I've got added these line in /etc/asound.conf |
| 07:44.29 | joj | Jonh24: so does it play? |
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| 07:44.53 | shawnbon206 | vimel was it you who was helping me earlier |
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| 07:47.05 | Jonh24 | joj: music play (pcm device) - playing. mic doesn't record... |
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| 07:49.44 | joj | Jonh24: you wrote earlier that you checked the mixer settings. alsamixer -> F4. Are the volume levels set sufficiently high? |
| 07:50.31 | Jonh24 | joj: doesn't record although alsa's correct mixer setting |
| 07:50.45 | Jonh24 | *settings |
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| 07:52.24 | Jonh24 | joj: Do you know, where is problem? |
| 07:52.34 | joj | Jonh24: what kernel are you running? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sony_Vaio_Pro_SVP-1x21#Internal_mic suggests that a fix for such has been added in kernel 3.12-rc5, also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1227093 indicates that a similar problem has been known as an upstream bug in 3.11 kernel. |
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| 07:52.58 | joj | Jonh24: the bugs cited relate all to haswell-based computers |
| 07:53.32 | bonjoyee | can someone help me with a rhythmbox equaliser for 64bit wheezy? |
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| 07:55.12 | Jonh24 | joj: ok, so, I must upgrade kernel.. Thx for info ;) |
| 07:55.33 | b3h3m0th | When I run hibernate command, I get a warning saying "hibernate:Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found." . The hibernation seem to be successful and I am able to resume my session at the next boot. I want to know what this error means and why is is popping up. Details : http://pastebin.com/6r4QWMMA http://pastebin.com/zMd2bqye |
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| 07:57.13 | joj | Jonh24: problems like extended hardware support for new hardware are usually solved as kernel development progresses. Using an older/rockstable kernel like in Debian stable unfortunately doesn't fit into this scheme ^^ |
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| 07:57.57 | joj | bonjoyee: do you need one? |
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| 08:06.10 | dav` | http://paste.debian.net/79614/ <= here's a list of my partitions. Is any of this required to be kept for Debian to run or can I wipe all of them? I'm concerned about EFI.. |
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| 08:07.45 | Jonh24 | joj: hmm... Debian's got max 3.12-1 kernel package... |
| 08:09.05 | ttal | does standard debian with gnome 3 have aero snapping when you drag a window to the edge of the screen, automatically taking up half of the screen real estate? |
| 08:09.56 | RipresaTecn | yes ttal |
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| 08:11.00 | dav` | Could anyone help address my EFI concerns? |
| 08:11.28 | joj | Jonh24: as this designates the released kernel and no release canditate, the patch should be present in that version. personally, I use Liquorix kernels http://techpatterns.com/forums/about1212.html, the latest of which is currently 3.12-9. |
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| 08:28.07 | Jonh24 | joj: i downloaded kernel from sid version 3.12.8-1 still not working... My alsa version 1.0.25+3~deb7u1 upgrade it? |
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| 08:28.40 | towski | man sid was prettier than wheezy |
| 08:28.52 | towski | is jessie prettier than wheezy |
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| 08:31.12 | Jonh24 | towski: yyy, really? Of course that sid's got new packages than testing... |
| 08:32.09 | Jonh24 | towski: I upgrade alsa from stable to sid :D |
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| 08:33.00 | rozie | Jonh24: sometimes you need to add specific option for sound module |
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| 08:34.26 | Jonh24 | rozie: no for me |
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| 08:53.35 | toli | Hello, I tried to update python-cairo on my wheezy, and now I have no anymore python-gtk2 in my system and cant install it! Do you know what I can do to install it ? |
| 08:53.52 | Jonh24 | joj: Hi again. My alsa & kernel are newest version from sid repository. Mic still not works... |
| 08:53.55 | centrx | toli, Why can't you install it? Is there an error message? |
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| 08:55.26 | toli | it says Depends python-cairo >= 1.0.2-1.1 but it is not going to be installed |
| 08:55.40 | centrx | What does dpkg -l python-cairo say |
| 08:55.49 | toli | It says I have a broken package |
| 08:56.19 | centrx | toli, Okay, try deleting python-cairo with: dpkg --purge python-cairo |
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| 08:56.58 | toli | it isn't installed :) centrx |
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| 08:57.34 | centrx | Oh, you mean it said python-gtk2 is a broken package? |
| 08:58.01 | toli | I will try to purge the gtk2 |
| 08:58.09 | centrx | yeah |
| 08:58.16 | centrx | toli, Did you change your sources.list tod o this "upgrade" |
| 08:58.20 | toli | both are not installed according to dpkg |
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| 08:59.02 | centrx | toli, Can you paste your sources.list at http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 09:01.09 | toli | centrx, here http://paste.debian.net/79617/ |
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| 09:01.56 | joj | Jonh24: did you also upgrade ALSA? If yes, it might be worthwhile to investigate the option parameters to the intel_snd_hda kernel module, which is responsible for Intel HDA sound cards. Take a look at http://docs.slackware.com/howtos:hardware:audio_and_snd-hda-intel, parameter and model information is available at https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio.txt and |
| 09:01.58 | joj | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt. I'm afraid you have to find a configuration that works manually instead of being able to rely on auto detection :-( |
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| 09:03.18 | centrx | toli, What command are you running to install python-gtk2? |
| 09:03.30 | toli | apt-get install python-gtk2 |
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| 09:04.00 | toli | but I found the problem, I added another source, which probably gives this erro |
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| 09:04.19 | toli | Now it installs |
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| 09:04.32 | centrx | Great! |
| 09:05.06 | toli | centrx, thank you for your help. |
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| 09:08.46 | Jonh24 | joj: yes, my alsa is in newest version (from sid repository 1.0.25+3), i look at links |
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| 09:18.56 | Jonh24 | joj: config for modules is good. I don't know... |
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| 09:22.37 | joj | Jonh24: Then I too am at a loss as to what to do ... maybe ask in ##linux or #alsa? |
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| 09:25.04 | Jonh24 | joj: ok, i join to ##linux, alsa channel is dead... |
| 09:25.35 | Jonh24 | Ohh... ##linux Cannot send to channel... |
| 09:25.57 | centrx | Jonh24, You need to register a nick with Nickserv |
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| 09:26.42 | joj | Jonh24: it's probably more viable to try when the US people are awake :-) |
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| 09:29.26 | Jonh24 | joj: accurately ;) |
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| 09:49.41 | shawnbon206 | joj were awake on west coast |
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| 10:56.11 | stockholm | why cant i join #debian-next? |
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| 10:57.34 | stockholm | yes, i can. |
| 10:57.34 | calzifer | stockholm: its on the oftc network, not on freenode |
| 10:57.45 | stockholm | calzifer: i am there now |
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| 11:01.09 | wiak | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140131/10364826061/obama-says-james-clapper-should-have-been-more-careful-how-he-lied-to-congress.shtml <- reinforce my understanding that all politicans are a bunch of paid liars |
| 11:01.10 | wiak | =D |
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| 11:09.25 | radongas | how can I make chromium render fonts exactly as Iceweasel does? http://i.imgur.com/YARek1d.png |
| 11:10.44 | radongas | chromium doesn't seem to respect the global anti-aliasing/hinting styles set by Xfce desktop environment |
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| 11:11.34 | radongas | this is wheezy i386 |
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| 11:15.23 | xyxxy | my distro is crunchbang. I wanted to update my linux kernel to the latest stable version. is this wise? how would I go about doing this? |
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| 11:19.12 | ectospasm | !not debian |
| 11:19.12 | dpkg_ | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 11:19.23 | ectospasm | !crunchbang |
| 11:19.24 | dpkg_ | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 11:19.51 | ectospasm | xyxxy: ^^ |
| 11:20.25 | xyxxy | ty |
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| 11:25.58 | madmac2501 | hi |
| 11:26.16 | madmac2501 | is there an estimation on when will end security support for debian squeeze? |
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| 11:30.23 | nosklo | madmac2501: historically it has been about an year after the next debian is released |
| 11:30.28 | ectospasm | !squeeze eol |
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| 11:31.01 | nosklo | madmac2501: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases#Release_statistics |
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| 11:32.19 | ntrophimov | How can I install Skype on the Debian Wheezy amd64? I've already tried to do "dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update" and "dpkg -i skype-debian_4.2.0.13-1_i386.deb" and got the following output - "Errors were encountered while processing: skype" |
| 11:32.51 | madmac2501 | AllAccessDisabled |
| 11:32.55 | madmac2501 | sorry |
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| 11:33.04 | madmac2501 | !squeeze eol |
| 11:33.44 | ectospasm | there isn't a factoid on Squeeze EOL |
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| 11:34.10 | nosklo | ntrophimov: follow that with `apt-get -f install` |
| 11:34.35 | nosklo | ectospasm, madmac2501: there isn't a `dpkg` bot in the channel to answer |
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| 11:36.16 | ntrophimov | Ok, thanks a lot! It works! But what did this command? :) |
| 11:37.28 | nosklo | ntrophimov: dpkg -i doesn't grab dependencies from the internet. That's why you get errors, because the package you're installing manually depends on stuff that is not installed. Running `apt-get -f install` makes apt-get go ahead and fetch all missing dependencies from the repository and install them, before configuring your manually added package |
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| 11:38.34 | ntrophimov | How does it know what dependencies it should resolve? |
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| 11:43.11 | petn-randall | ntrophimov: They're written in the package itself. |
| 11:44.22 | ntrophimov | But I didn't specify the deb package when I do "apt-get -f install" |
| 11:45.27 | petn-randall | ntrophimov: You don't have to. apt keeps track of everything. |
| 11:45.45 | radongas | ntrophimov: apt can read your mind |
| 11:45.58 | Jonh24 | How to save gnu screen window in file? |
| 11:46.04 | ntrophimov | Ok, thanks a lot |
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| 11:47.29 | Skyrider | Greetings everyone |
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| 11:50.06 | ntrophimov | What is the faster way to launch any GUI program from the terminal without waiting for its completion and stdout / stderr logging? Now I'm using "program_name >/dev/null 2>&1 &" but it's too long to type it every time. I'm new to the Linux world but I think that it's should resolved via small bash script, right? |
| 11:50.37 | Skyrider | Does anyone happen to know a 2 way SYNC (FTP) GUI for debian? |
| 11:50.45 | Skyrider | VPS btw ^^. |
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| 12:00.12 | madmac2501 | how can I activate a dpkg-trigger and force that the interested postinst packages are run outside of a maintainer script? |
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| 12:03.20 | nhhhnman | Hi all, I have created rules in iptables to log and edited the rsyslog.conf file to output any message which contains "iptables" to a different log file. It seems that it is logging to both places, the default messages files and the new ip.log files i have. How can I log to just the new one? This is the content of the rsyslog file::msg, contains, "iptables" -/var/log/iptables.log & ~ |
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| 12:12.24 | Jonh24 | Hmm |
| 12:12.51 | Jonh24 | How to save window output to a file? |
| 12:13.06 | Jonh24 | How to save window output to a file (i use screen)? |
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| 12:14.18 | ectospasm | that may not give the results you want. Are you trying to record the output of a series of commands, Jonh24? |
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| 12:17.39 | shriike | hello |
| 12:17.49 | Jonh24 | ectospasm: yes, i try ctrl+a+H but don't work... |
| 12:17.57 | Jonh24 | shriike: Hi! |
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| 12:18.27 | ectospasm | Jonh24: would the 'script' command help you better? |
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| 12:19.20 | Jonh24 | casaper: no, this is don't work... |
| 12:19.40 | shriike | i have a question about debian kfreebsd. i am trying to make a usb bootable stick to try it out, but fail every time. i assume it's because of a wrong bs option for dd. Does anyone know how to do it? i tried just dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdxn, and with various bs options (1M, 10k, etc) |
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| 12:20.09 | shriike | for debian gnu/linux its just plain dd, but kfreebsd baffles me :D |
| 12:20.55 | shriike | and yes, i tried googling this but to no avail |
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| 12:21.13 | ectospasm | shriike: the block size (bs) just tells how large the chunks will be copied. Once the reading of debian.iso is complete, the dd operation ends. |
| 12:21.23 | ectospasm | unless you're also providing a count |
| 12:22.18 | ectospasm | shriike: Oh, you're copying to /dev/sdxn? Try /dev/sdx instead |
| 12:22.41 | apm1 | oh he wrote the image on a partition |
| 12:22.49 | shriike | i did try both |
| 12:22.53 | shriike | and they both failed |
| 12:22.59 | shriike | but maybe something else went wrong |
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| 12:23.12 | ectospasm | shriike: did you check the sum of the downloaded ISO |
| 12:23.13 | ectospasm | ? |
| 12:23.18 | shriike | hmm |
| 12:23.19 | shriike | nope |
| 12:23.21 | shriike | my bad :D |
| 12:23.32 | shriike | damn, didn't even think of that |
| 12:23.37 | ectospasm | I hope that's all it is |
| 12:23.48 | ectospasm | Then again, I have zero experience with kfreebsd |
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| 12:23.59 | Reelax | what should i do if i forgot root password ? |
| 12:24.14 | Jonh24 | casaper: i don't know, screen doesn't work at this key combination (ctrl + a + H result switch window (this is same as ctrl + a) |
| 12:24.27 | apm1 | i could swear on me life dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdx worked for kfreebsd images back in dec 2013 |
| 12:24.28 | Reelax | current user is administrator |
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| 12:24.58 | apm1 | chrrot from a live cd and passwd from inside the chroot |
| 12:25.30 | ectospasm | or drop to single user mode (can't remember if that prompts for the root password) |
| 12:26.00 | shriike | okay, then I'll try to do /dev/sdx and verify that the image has downloaded properly |
| 12:26.12 | shriike | aside from that, does anyone here have any experienc with it? |
| 12:26.20 | shriike | i got really curious |
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| 12:27.56 | ectospasm | IIRC it's only really useful at things FreeBSD does better than Linux, like the firewall (every time I look, pf is greater than netfilter) |
| 12:29.40 | Reelax | what should i do if i forgot root password ? current user is administrator. |
| 12:30.11 | ectospasm | Reelax: we told you |
| 12:30.37 | ectospasm | Reelax: boot from a Live Debian rescue CD, chroot your / partition, and run passwd |
| 12:30.56 | ectospasm | or, drop to single user mode (if that doesn't prompt you for the root password) |
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| 12:31.15 | Reelax | chroot from live cd, great thanks ! |
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| 12:32.16 | Reelax | or simply "sudo passwd root" as im admin already :) |
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| 12:32.38 | Reelax | yes it worked : ) |
| 12:32.46 | ectospasm | or that, the "administrator" doesn't exist on my systems |
| 12:32.47 | Jonh24 | Hmm... Somebody knows how to do? |
| 12:32.53 | shriike | single user mode from grub is mouch easier and faster then livecd |
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| 12:33.24 | ectospasm | Jonh24: did you follow my suggestion of using the script command? "script -a output.txt", and enter your commands. |
| 12:33.44 | ectospasm | Jonh24: I think recording the screen session requires you to set up the session to record to a file |
| 12:34.31 | Jonh24 | ectospasm: you can enter ctrl + alt + [ this is copy mode. |
| 12:34.45 | ectospasm | yeah, but that's not what you asked. |
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| 12:37.19 | Jonh24 | copy mode maybe save window to file |
| 12:37.41 | ectospasm | yeah, I don't know how to do that (never occurred to me to try) |
| 12:42.10 | Skyrider | Anyone? :o |
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| 12:44.57 | Jonh24 | My screen not respond at this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4807474/copying-gnu-screen-scrollback-buffer-to-file-extended-hardcopy |
| 12:45.20 | madmac2501 | bye |
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| 12:48.25 | Skyrider | meh, I'm lost. |
| 12:48.43 | SirLagz | Skyrider: what are you lost on ? |
| 12:49.06 | Skyrider | I'm trying to find a debian package that has the ability sync FTP between FTP. |
| 12:49.30 | abrotman | sync data over FTP? |
| 12:49.37 | abrotman | like a mirroring package? |
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| 12:49.56 | SirLagz | Skyrider: as in sync between 2 FTP servers ? |
| 12:50.29 | Skyrider | Ya. In this case, I want the source to be a specific directory on my gameserver FTP. And everything that is being uploaded on to my VPS FTP will be synced with that gameserver specific directory. |
| 12:50.42 | Skyrider | gameserver is outside my own vps. |
| 12:51.00 | SirLagz | does the game server have any other way of accessing files apart from FTP ? |
| 12:51.06 | Skyrider | Nope, afraid not. |
| 12:51.21 | Skyrider | I'm currently using FTPBox on my windows.. But it's a pain seeing I'm not online all the time. |
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| 12:52.02 | tolecnal | I'm pretty sure wget or lftp can cover those needs quite nicely |
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| 12:53.01 | Skyrider | Happen to be GUI? |
| 12:53.20 | frostschutz | Skyrider, lftp has a mirror command than can either upload or download. can't help with gui. |
| 12:53.22 | tolecnal | hell no, who needs a GUI for such a job/purpose? :) |
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| 12:53.36 | Skyrider | lol, I prefer a bit easier on my end. |
| 12:53.40 | Skyrider | But as long if it works. |
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| 12:53.49 | SirLagz | Skyrider: do you know how to script ? |
| 12:54.00 | Skyrider | I'm rather new to scripting, etc. |
| 12:54.07 | tolecnal | easier? things can't be much easier than CLI |
| 12:54.10 | Skyrider | Just used up a few weeks on debian / nginx to learn a things or two. |
| 12:54.12 | SirLagz | Skyrider: great time to learn then :D |
| 12:54.22 | Skyrider | Not have the time to learn atm though. >_> |
| 12:54.29 | Skyrider | **I don't have the time. |
| 12:54.31 | tolecnal | but then again, I grew up in a CLI :P |
| 12:54.44 | ectospasm | nice thing about the CLI you only need to learn enough to get your job done |
| 12:54.55 | SirLagz | Skyrider: be very easy to write a script to download via wget etc |
| 12:55.19 | tolecnal | ectospasm: for most of what I do, I get things done way faster in a CLI than any GUI |
| 12:55.24 | Skyrider | And here I thought I could get the easy way :) |
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| 12:55.29 | ectospasm | tolecnal: so do I |
| 12:55.40 | SirLagz | Skyrider: this is probably the easiest way haha |
| 12:55.40 | tolecnal | (even though pedants may argue that a CLI also is a GUI in a sense) |
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| 12:56.13 | ectospasm | it pains me when packages don't document their CLI counterparts well (I'm looking at you MakeMKV) |
| 12:56.21 | tolecnal | a crontab calling up i.e lftp, hell it CAN'T get easier than that Skyrider |
| 12:56.46 | tolecnal | ectospasm: that's usually a result of the dev team to encourage CLI usage :) |
| 12:56.50 | Skyrider | So lftp or wget has the ability to sync between 2 FTP servers? From target / source and source / target? |
| 12:56.53 | Skyrider | 2 way sync ^^ |
| 12:57.06 | frostschutz | echo mirror stuff | lftp bookmark |
| 12:57.06 | tolecnal | Skyrider: that is what we've been trying to say, yes |
| 12:57.11 | Skyrider | Awesome. |
| 12:57.21 | frostschutz | or you could mount ftpfs and rsync, although that's kinda... |
| 12:57.33 | tolecnal | frostschutz: YUCK! :P |
| 12:58.46 | Skyrider | Thanks, I'll add it on my todo lis. |
| 12:58.48 | Skyrider | Appreciate it. |
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| 13:06.35 | Frank0 | Hi, have here a debian wheezy server with kernel 3.2 - what is the most reliable way to get a newer kernel, e.g. 3.11/3.12 from the backports? |
| 13:06.47 | SeaCalf_ | Pleae help me , i'm using ubuntu 12.04 and every 30 minutes my network indicator shows this Debian domain ftp.heanet.ie downloading a ton of things i never asked for |
| 13:07.30 | SeaCalf_ | Its very annoying , i have to disconnect the network just to make it stop downloading , it just keeps going |
| 13:07.30 | SirLagz | SeaCalf_: you'd be better off in #ubuntu |
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| 13:08.17 | SeaCalf_ | SirLagz they pointed me here , since ftp.heanet.ie is a debian mirror they say |
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| 13:08.48 | tremon | it isn't. Heanet is an irish network provider, they also provide mirrors for sourceforge and (iirc) cnet.com |
| 13:08.48 | SirLagz | SeaCalf_: what's in your source.list file ? |
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| 13:09.20 | SeaCalf_ | SirLagz where is that , i'm new to linux |
| 13:10.26 | tremon | !tell Frank0 about bdo kernel |
| 13:10.39 | abrotman | SeaCalf_: We do not support Ubuntu here, Ubuntu is your OS, #ubuntu is your support channel. |
| 13:10.56 | themill | SeaCalf_: if you're running ubuntu then it's probably downloading updates for ubuntu and that's one of their mirrors. #ubuntu will know more |
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| 13:11.11 | Frank0 | thank you! |
| 13:11.12 | SeaCalf_ | abrotman #ubuntu points me here , i'm stuck |
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| 13:11.53 | SirLagz | SeaCalf_: tell them that ftp.heanet.ie is not a debian mirror, and then try asking for help again ? |
| 13:11.57 | abrotman | SeaCalf_: That's nice, they're still wrong, use #ubuntu |
| 13:11.59 | SeaCalf_ | themill i disabled all kinds of updates in update manager |
| 13:12.11 | themill | SeaCalf_: they didn't know what they were talking about there -- try agin |
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| 13:13.22 | SeaCalf_ | Ok sorry for disturbing you. I will go back to windows, less headaches |
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| 13:13.38 | themill | SeaCalf_: #ubuntu should be able to help; we can't |
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| 13:15.59 | koell | do u still use usenet/newsgroups? |
| 13:17.36 | Frank0 | Is it safe to have apitude uninstall initramfs-tools when installing a new kernel like 3.12? |
| 13:18.20 | themill | Frank0: you probably want to be installing both kernel and initramfs-tools from wheezy-backports |
| 13:18.24 | tremon | Frank0: aptitude should upgrade initramfs-tools instead |
| 13:19.41 | mjt | that bcomes a FAQ |
| 13:19.45 | mjt | becomes* |
| 13:19.59 | mjt | use -t wheezy-backports when installing from wheezy-backports |
| 13:20.29 | themill | (which is what dpkg says to do) |
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| 13:20.58 | mjt | this initramfs-tools thing has been asked about 10 times in last few days here |
| 13:21.14 | themill | yay! |
| 13:21.52 | shriike | hm, i decided to spare myswqlf all this commotion and use stable for a long while now :D |
| 13:21.54 | Frank0 | mjt, did it - worked! I have a debian 7.2 minimal installation (console only) do you think the box will reboot successfully after 3.12 upgrade - don't expect a "guarantee" but is it more likely to bootup flawlessly or more likely to have a broken system? |
| 13:21.57 | shriike | myself* |
| 13:22.19 | shriike | why don't you simply compile you own kernel? |
| 13:22.24 | mjt | i think people should actually read instruction before doing something |
| 13:22.33 | shriike | @mjt that's a good advice |
| 13:22.35 | shriike | :D |
| 13:22.52 | shriike | make sure update-grub2 is run before booting |
| 13:23.17 | tremon | Frank0: it should work flawlessly, and if not, the 3.2 kernel is still available in your boot menu |
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| 13:23.36 | bartzy | Hello |
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| 13:23.47 | bartzy | How can I find out the MAC address of an ethernet adapter in the debian net installer ? |
| 13:23.59 | bartzy | I'm in its busybox shell, but there's no ifconfig... |
| 13:24.13 | shriike | weird |
| 13:24.20 | shriike | why do you need it anyway? |
| 13:25.09 | mjt | there's ip utility in there for sure |
| 13:25.56 | mjt | and there's always /sys/class/net/eth0/* |
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| 13:26.17 | mjt | (incl. /sys/class/net/eth0/address) |
| 13:26.41 | shriike | cat /sys/class/net/eth0/address |
| 13:26.44 | shriike | yeah |
| 13:26.45 | shriike | :D |
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| 13:31.30 | thaicares | Hey, I'm using squeeze to try and unzip a .zip file but for some reason sub folders and files in folders will not unzip with it, leaving all folders empty when they should be full |
| 13:32.08 | thaicares | whats happenning ^^ |
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| 13:32.27 | mjt | squeeze is a quite buggy app |
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| 13:32.43 | shriike | try unzip |
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| 13:34.05 | thaicares | unzip? is that command line? |
| 13:34.09 | shriike | yup |
| 13:34.17 | shriike | if it's not present, install it |
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| 13:34.33 | thaicares | I guess I'll look into it! is there a better gui out there? |
| 13:34.44 | shriike | i normally use cli |
| 13:34.48 | shriike | try xarchiver |
| 13:35.05 | shriike | or ark, but ark is kde |
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| 13:42.29 | mallet | Hi. Do you know a software to lock screen (like xlock) that would allow unlocking with a password other than the login password? |
| 13:43.08 | mjt | it can be set up with standard tools too |
| 13:43.19 | mjt | using pam_dotfile for example |
| 13:43.32 | mjt | oh. it is broken on 64bits... :( |
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| 13:44.34 | mjt | they all use pam which can be configured separately in /etc/pam.d/ |
| 13:44.50 | brilliant_ | mallet: why another passw? |
| 13:45.25 | mallet | brilliant_: I would like to have a strong (and long) login password, but I feel a shorter password should be enough to unlock screen. |
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| 13:46.01 | koell | can i open an url via firefox cli in a specific window? lets say i've 3 windows of firefox opened and i would like to open a link with firefox from the shell on the 2nd window? is this possible? |
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| 13:46.24 | mallet | brilliant_: I lock screen whenever I leave my computer. I do not want the unlocking password to be too long. |
| 13:46.29 | mjt | koell: i think you might have better luck in some firefox-related channel. |
| 13:47.20 | koell | mjt: ok |
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| 13:48.47 | Frank0 | FYI: Update from 3.2 to 3.12 worked, thank you very much! |
| 13:49.04 | brilliant_ | mallet if you had only unix noobs around you, you can lock with ctrl alt f2 .. ^^ |
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| 13:50.41 | mallet | brilliant_: Unix noobs, I can leave them under awesome WM with my Bepo blank keyboard. Should be enough. ;-) |
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| 13:51.01 | brilliant_ | hehe |
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| 13:51.33 | mallet | Seriously, this is strange there is no software to lock screen with a dedicated password. |
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| 13:52.30 | mallet | I might just write one... |
| 13:52.43 | mjt | there's no need to |
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| 13:53.01 | mjt | every lock app can be configured to use alternative password |
| 13:53.09 | mallet | mjt: why is that? pam-dotfile is nice, but it will affect login too. |
| 13:53.22 | mjt | if you configure it for login too, yes |
| 13:53.40 | brilliant_ | mallet yes, that is linux, write your own : ) |
| 13:53.52 | mallet | mjt: but I do not want to allow login with that weaker password! That's the whole point. |
| 13:53.59 | mjt | so don't do that |
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| 13:54.47 | mallet | mjt: So I am looking for a locking software that accepts a custom password. |
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| 13:55.07 | mjt | for a start, you are looking for a good course of reading. |
| 13:55.16 | mjt | to learn to read, that is |
| 13:55.20 | Frod | hello everyone |
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| 13:55.51 | mjt | if you want login to use that pasword TOO, configure login TOO. if you want only the lock app to use that password, configure that app ONLY. |
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| 13:56.03 | mjt | or, as you say, write your own, if configuration is too hard. |
| 13:56.11 | mjt | that |
| 13:56.20 | Frod | does anyone knows hos to get the bios watchdog goring on an atom D510 + ICH8 |
| 13:56.47 | mjt | that'll be adding just one line to /etc/pam.d/gnome-screensaver (or whatever lock app you're using) and creating the password file. After installing pam-dotfile anyway. |
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| 13:57.04 | mjt | sure it is much more difficult than to write a new lock app. |
| 13:57.17 | mallet | mjt: Ah ok, I thought that would affect login anyway. |
| 13:57.37 | mjt | if you configure it, yes |
| 13:57.43 | mjt | but i repeat myself |
| 13:57.52 | mallet | mjt: it looks easier than writing a new application. |
| 13:58.14 | mallet | mjt: I did not understand what you wrote the first time, I suppose. |
| 13:58.23 | mjt | sigh. but pam-dotfile is not even available on wheezy! |
| 13:58.32 | mjt | aiee. |
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| 13:59.16 | mallet | mjt: Ah, this is a problem, then! |
| 14:00.02 | mjt | http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pam-dotfile/news/20110220T012934Z.html |
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| 14:00.48 | mjt | no one wanted to maintain it and very few users used it |
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| 14:01.31 | mallet | mjt: I see... |
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| 14:06.38 | koell | mjt: the thing is. i've opened a window to browse the web. and another one on a 2nd workspace for rss-feeds with newsbeuter. |
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| 14:07.37 | doberman | Any idea why "dns-nameservers" in /etc/network/interfaces don't do the job? (ping: unknown host google.com) Ping works by IP address. Any ideas what am I missing? I am thinking about resolvconf, but cannot install it thru "apt-get" since dns doesn't work. |
| 14:07.41 | mjt | koell: that's all fine, but i don't use firefox. |
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| 14:08.21 | afsal | how I learn assembly programming in debian x86 |
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| 14:08.33 | kebe | doberman: aren't nameservers put in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 14:08.42 | afsal | how I learn x86 assembly programming in debian |
| 14:08.45 | doberman | kebe: don't have "/etc/resolv.conf" |
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| 14:11.17 | doberman | kebe: nevermind, creating the file did the job. I thought I should install "resolvconf" with aptitude, but it was not the case. Thanks |
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| 14:11.39 | kebe | doberman: I can't find any reference to dns-namerservers in the interface manpage. |
| 14:11.47 | kebe | dober: ok, glad you fixed it :-) |
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| 14:12.19 | doberman | kebe: seems like it's an ubuntu thing (dns-namerservers) :) |
| 14:12.35 | brilliant_ | iam looking for a "name to searching for" where a linux client (hardware) is loggin in a linuxServer (hardware) .. any suggestions? |
| 14:12.54 | zh1 | afsal http://bit.ly/1i39IcK |
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| 14:13.36 | cretsiah | ok so i did a net install and im used to installing xorg/x window system and just typing startx that im now puzzled why that doesnt work using (debian 7.1.0-i386) so how do i get x up and running? |
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| 14:14.32 | tremon | cretsiah: did you install xinit? startx is not in the main xorg-server package |
| 14:14.49 | klys | afsal: look for att2intl, nasm, docs on make (att2intl should work with a %.asm: %.S; rule), also read up on gcc -v; compile binutils. |
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| 14:16.10 | cretsiah | no i hadnt |
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| 14:20.15 | cretsiah | ok so how do i get it to startx and load jwm (im using in virtualbox) |
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| 15:02.46 | tonph | Hi I m strugglig to use my 3g modem MMX377G with my ubuntu 12.04 |
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| 15:03.00 | tonph | im following this tutorial - http://code-cocktail.in/micromax-3g-datacard-mmx377g-installation-ubuntu/ |
| 15:03.57 | tonph | Now in this step - http://code-cocktail.in/micromax-3g-datacard-mmx377g-installation-ubuntu/, i am not able to see the /dev/ttyUSB0... listings |
| 15:03.59 | tonph | :( |
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| 15:04.09 | tonph | any one has any spare knowhow on this > |
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| 15:04.41 | abrotman | tonph: #ubuntu can help you, we cannot |
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| 15:05.17 | tonph | ok thanks abrotman let me ping those guys than.. sorry i think m in wrong place.. :) |
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| 15:35.27 | phr | guys, i need some help with installing my Radeon HD 7450 |
| 15:35.48 | phr | have tried almost every solution found on forums and google, but still cant get it to work |
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| 15:36.10 | phr | maybe anyone has a suggestion or can point me to a direction? |
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| 15:37.16 | abrotman | installing what? |
| 15:37.51 | phr | abrotman: um, the drivers of course |
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| 15:39.32 | zvz | if I were to make a custom ~/.asoundrc, will ALSA read this in ADDITION to the default system configuration, or will it read it INSTEAD of the default? |
| 15:40.03 | zvz | sorry for caps, should have probably used asterisks for emphasis instead |
| 15:40.05 | abrotman | phr: which drivers? |
| 15:40.12 | abrotman | phr: what have you tried? |
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| 15:40.53 | phr | i've tried to get fglrx via apt-get |
| 15:41.13 | abrotman | you haven't even told us which version of Linux you're using .. |
| 15:41.22 | phr | i've tried the solution at https://wiki.debian.org/Installing_ATI_fglrx_legacy_with_latest_kernel |
| 15:41.41 | phr | abrotman: right, my bad. i'm using the testing release |
| 15:41.47 | phr | mint based |
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| 15:41.58 | towo` | fglrx-legacy is not the right driver |
| 15:42.00 | abrotman | phr: You're in the wrong channel, we only support Debian here |
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| 15:42.29 | abrotman | phr: #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support |
| 15:42.29 | phr | well, i had same problems on debian 7 |
| 15:42.44 | abrotman | phr: when you install Debian, come bakc and ask questions. Until then, use the correct channel |
| 15:42.50 | abrotman | this isn't it |
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| 15:43.06 | phr | towo`: what do you mean by that? which one should i use then? |
| 15:43.10 | towo` | #debian-next on oftc |
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| 15:43.16 | phr | abrotman: thanks for your help. |
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| 15:43.21 | abrotman | towo`: no, he should not ask there |
| 15:43.22 | AVRS | Hi. webp is 0.4.0 in jessie repos, and https://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=webp says so. Why is http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=webp&searchon=names&exact=1&suite=all§ion=all not up-to-date? |
| 15:43.24 | towo` | phr, fglrx-driver |
| 15:43.32 | abrotman | towo`: please msg him if you wan tto support him |
| 15:44.06 | towo` | since whzent debian-testing is mint? |
| 15:44.12 | towo` | grr |
| 15:44.14 | towo` | when |
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| 15:44.22 | abrotman | towo`: read what he said .. he's not using Debian |
| 15:44.32 | klys | phr are you using linuxmint becaue you couldn't run cinnamon on debian |
| 15:44.35 | towo` | [16:41:41] <phr> abrotman: right, my bad. i'm using the testing release |
| 15:44.37 | abrotman | towo`: feel free to msg him and work it out |
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| 15:44.48 | abrotman | towo`: keep reading .. it's not that hard |
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| 15:46.47 | AVRS | Although 0.4.0 came to testing only yesterday or today. |
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| 15:47.28 | abrotman | AVRS: packasge.debian.org doesn't update every day IIRC |
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| 15:47.43 | abrotman | judd: versions webp |
| 15:47.44 | judd | Package: webp on i386 -- wheezy: 0.1.3-3+nmu1; jessie: 0.4.0-4; sid: 0.4.0-4 |
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| 15:48.32 | AVRS | abrotman: ok, thanks. It's because I noticed it when I enabled the stable repos... |
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| 16:16.48 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 16:16.55 | Azrael_- | i try to create a folder but get the message: insufficient rights. i can create folders in the parent folder and the current folder has 755 and belongs to root. and i am root. how could this be? |
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| 16:18.04 | tbx1024 | try chmod -R on it, maybe that can help? |
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| 16:20.41 | RickyB98 | question: |
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| 16:20.46 | Azrael_- | tbx1024: how could this help? |
| 16:20.58 | RickyB98 | i use a bot on debian which executes "mail -s [etc.]" |
| 16:21.04 | RickyB98 | it was very fast at the beginning |
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| 16:21.11 | RickyB98 | now it got slower as i updated debian |
| 16:21.13 | RickyB98 | how comes? |
| 16:21.21 | Jonh24 | hmm |
| 16:21.35 | Jonh24 | check your mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:21.45 | RickyB98 | Jonh24, me? |
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| 16:22.07 | nounch | Hello. Are there any implications in adding the Mint package repository to `sources.list' (for installing Firefox and potentially other packages, reference: https://thestandardoutput.com/2013/06/install-the-real-firefox-on-debian-7/)? Will there be any bumps when upgrading later on? Experiences? |
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| 16:23.08 | tbx1024 | Azrael_- : it was the only thing i could think of at the moment |
| 16:23.10 | jhutchins | nounch: Yes, mixing distributions is a good way to totally trash your system and leads to having to do a clean install. |
| 16:23.18 | nounch | It feels a lot more convenient than grabbing the Firefox binaries manually and sticking them in `/var/' somewhere and pointing a symlink from `/usr/bin/' to there or even putting the executable there manually. |
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| 16:23.31 | AVRS | nounch: how is Mint's Firefox more Firefox? |
| 16:23.33 | jhutchins | nounch: Iceweasel IS "the real Firefox". |
| 16:23.53 | jhutchins | nounch: For newer version see http://moilla.debian.net |
| 16:23.55 | AVRS | To use the logo, it has to be more Firefox than Iceweasel is. |
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| 16:24.05 | AVRS | (or was..) |
| 16:24.23 | nounch | jhutchins: Is it now? Doesn't it still lack plugins/latest dev consoles/Flash/...? |
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| 16:24.43 | jhutchins | nounch: No, and it never has. It's simply the same code rebranded. |
| 16:24.48 | AVRS | nounch: Flash is not a part of Firefox |
| 16:24.51 | nounch | I have no VM to test right now, sorry. |
| 16:24.53 | jhutchins | !why iceweasel |
| 16:24.53 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
| 16:25.08 | tbx1024 | nounch: flash is in the non-free repo |
| 16:25.18 | nounch | So does Iceweasel work with `flashplugin-nonfree' now etc.? |
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| 16:25.29 | jhutchins | nounch: Always has. |
| 16:25.30 | WubTheCaptain | What causes that fglrx doesn't work with my HD7970? The free xorg-xserver-video-radeon works fine, but fglrx seems to crash on X |
| 16:25.36 | tbx1024 | nouch: it does work with flash-nonfree |
| 16:25.48 | jhutchins | nounch: Iceweasel is and has always been Firefox. |
| 16:25.59 | jhutchins | tbx1024: Sure it does. |
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| 16:26.54 | AVRS | nounch: the version may be old, because Debian stable is too stable for Firefox. Stable now has Firefox 17 ESR, testing has 24 ESR |
| 16:27.10 | nounch | jhutchins: Sure. Well, last time I relied on it it was a few versions back etc. So maybe I should just ditch the Firefox binary grabbing and moving them to system files manually procedure. |
| 16:27.11 | tremon | WubTheCaptain: for lack of better finger-pointing, "amd" causes that. |
| 16:27.26 | RickyB98 | and.. i got ignored.. |
| 16:27.31 | RickyB98 | i use a bot on debian which executes "mail -s [etc.]" |
| 16:27.33 | WubTheCaptain | tremon: Yup, I know, fglrx has always been poop |
| 16:27.34 | RickyB98 | it was very fast at the beginning |
| 16:27.37 | AVRS | nounch: There is no explicit backport, I don't know if the 24 package is compatible. |
| 16:27.39 | RickyB98 | now it got slower as i updated debian |
| 16:27.41 | nounch | AVRS: That's exactly the reason why I ditched dealing with Iceweasel in the first place. |
| 16:27.41 | RickyB98 | how comes? |
| 16:28.08 | WubTheCaptain | I have this huge log file from X |
| 16:28.11 | WubTheCaptain | http://a.pomf.se/avxmua.log |
| 16:28.17 | AVRS | nounch: personally, I just use Firefox itself, but even Mozilla employees don't recommend that for ordinary users |
| 16:28.28 | jelly-home | AVRS: firefox 24.2.0 esr works on stable; it stands to reason iceweasel ought to be buildable to work on stable as well |
| 16:28.29 | AVRS | (IIRC) |
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| 16:28.43 | jhutchins | nounch: There is no reason to do that. More current versions are available at the address above. |
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| 16:28.59 | nounch | AVRS: Where did you put the binaries and all the other cruft? Home dir? system-wide? |
| 16:29.07 | Azrael_- | i try to create a folder but always get "permission denied". i'm root, the folder has 755 and is owned by root:root. any idea why? |
| 16:29.14 | jelly-home | (and since firefox 17 esr isn't getting any more fixes, I'm not sure why debian stable doesn't go with 24esr) |
| 16:29.30 | AVRS | nounch: into /opt (although that's just a random directory without noexec) |
| 16:29.43 | Azrael_- | i can't even change the rights for the folder |
| 16:29.49 | nounch | What about `/usr/src'? |
| 16:29.51 | AVRS | nounch: the .tar.bz2 packages have no installer |
| 16:29.59 | AVRS | nounch: that's for source code, I think? |
| 16:30.11 | nounch | AVRS: They are pre-packaged with the binary, I know |
| 16:30.12 | nounch | . |
| 16:30.33 | nounch | AVRS: "technically" it's somewhat somewhat sourcy? |
| 16:30.38 | AVRS | nounch: maybe /opt is the right directory, although the FHS has some incomprehensible conditions for it. |
| 16:30.47 | AVRS | nounch: no |
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| 16:31.13 | tremon | WubTheCaptain: that log file is loading the intel driver, not fglrx |
| 16:31.23 | AVRS | nounch: source code, according to the GPL (no big reason for the choice), is the form preferable for editing |
| 16:31.25 | nounch | `/opt' is a good suggestion. Better than `/usr/...' and a lot better than using Mint repositories. |
| 16:31.32 | WubTheCaptain | tremon: For me it looks like fglrx? |
| 16:31.58 | nounch | AVRS: Thanks. |
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| 16:32.16 | tremon | WubTheCaptain: grep fglrx /tmp/avxmua.log gives me zero matches |
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| 16:32.37 | AVRS | nounch: I do not have a well-ordered file hierarchy, but opt is what people use. Of course, many people disadvise installation of anything w/o packages. |
| 16:32.56 | WubTheCaptain | tremon: root@debian:/home/wubthecaptain# cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep fglrx | wc -l |
| 16:32.58 | WubTheCaptain | 201 |
| 16:33.11 | AVRS | But Firefox will need to update itself, and you won't do it with custom packages. |
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| 16:33.23 | tremon | WubTheCaptain: that's not the file I opened then |
| 16:33.29 | AVRS | np |
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| 16:34.47 | nounch | Yet another question: When installing Debian from a CD (`debian-live-7.2-i386-standard.iso', here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/) there will obviously not be any WM. What about X? No X either, I suppose. So when installing a WM manually (`apt-get install openbox', for instance), will I have to manually install `xorg', too or is that included in the dependencies and will `apt' figure it out itself? |
| 16:35.13 | WubTheCaptain | tremon: Whoops, wrong one, it was this ThinkPad of course and I was SSH'd into the troubling AMD PC |
| 16:35.30 | AVRS | nounch: is that such a small CD? |
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| 16:35.46 | abrotman | nounch: it won't hurt to install that xorg package |
| 16:35.47 | nounch | AVRS: Sure, there is no auto-update with that solution. Hence I was glancing over at the Mint solution, but the price of doing it manually is a lot better than messing things up with repositories from other distros. |
| 16:35.52 | AVRS | nounch: you can choose a live DVD with a big desktop environment |
| 16:35.55 | frostschutz | nounch, if it's not in the dependencies it might be because there is the possibility of using X applications on remote X servers... |
| 16:36.19 | tremon | nounch: X will not get installed if you install a WM (because of remote X), but it will get installed if you install a login manager like gdm or lightdm |
| 16:36.30 | AVRS | nounch: I guess you can look into the ISO or its description to see what's in it. |
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| 16:36.37 | nounch | AVRS: 539M is the official number and I can confirm that this is true. |
| 16:36.54 | AVRS | nounch: there must be meta packages to install such things together |
| 16:37.39 | nounch | Let me rephrase that question: As soon as I have installed Debian from the aforementioned ISO, how do I go about installing `openbox'? |
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| 16:37.58 | WubTheCaptain | tremon: http://a.pomf.se/tdbote.log |
| 16:38.19 | AVRS | nounch: let's look at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.2-i386-standard.iso.packages |
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| 16:38.29 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell nounch about install x |
| 16:38.52 | AVRS | Indeed, there seems to be no x in it |
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| 16:39.46 | jelly-home | nounch: after that, just aptitude install openbox if that's what you're after |
| 16:39.56 | nounch | I get that. My worries are that there might be additional steps when installing a desktop environment on a completetly headless install. |
| 16:40.26 | nounch | OK, so in fact just `xorg' and `openbox', sounds promising. |
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| 16:41.31 | WubTheCaptain | Hopefully Wayland this summer |
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| 16:42.34 | nounch | OK, thanks! |
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| 16:43.40 | tremon | WubTheCaptain: sadly, that really looks like the error in inside fglrx. EE: fglrx(0): Failed to open CMMQS connection. |
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| 16:44.14 | WubTheCaptain | tremon: I thought so too. Gladly at least 3.13 and 3.14 will bring updates to radeon :) |
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| 16:45.31 | tremon | WubTheCaptain: from what I can find, simply reinstalling the (kernel) driver might fix this |
| 16:45.41 | WubTheCaptain | tremon: Tried at least 6 times. |
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| 16:45.52 | WubTheCaptain | If you meant the dkms module |
| 16:46.08 | tremon | no sense in retrying then. |
| 16:46.11 | WubTheCaptain | lspci -vvs tells me fglrx_pci is in use, but the tty is in low resolution anyway |
| 16:46.23 | WubTheCaptain | 64-bit on unstable |
| 16:46.30 | WubTheCaptain | I don't think stable/testing helped either |
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| 16:47.28 | tremon | sry, can't help you further. I'm perfectly happy with the -radeon driver |
| 16:48.06 | WubTheCaptain | It has a few bugs and slightly outdated OpenGL that could use improvements, but we'll see eventually |
| 16:48.15 | WubTheCaptain | 3.13/3.14/Wayland :) |
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| 16:50.51 | nounch | I almost forgot, when installing from the standard ISO mentioned earlier I'd like to have a swap space and a separate home partition. My current estimate is this: Partition #1 (9GB): Debian Partition #2, (8GB): swap space, Partition #3 home directories (129GB). At the moment I have 2GB physical memory, but probably will upgrade to 4GB, so double that I have 8GB swap space; What about the 9GB for Debian, is that a correct number? |
| 16:51.59 | AVRS | nounch: how much RAM do you have? |
| 16:52.04 | AVRS | oh, nm |
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| 16:52.25 | AVRS | nounch: you need as much swap as RAM only for hibernation, AFAIK |
| 16:52.40 | tbx1024 | if that can help: my debian LXDE "empty" install is 3GB |
| 16:52.40 | WubTheCaptain | I don't even use swap anymore. |
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| 16:52.45 | nounch | I'm not sure whether having 2GB physical RAM and 8GB swap for a while could mean trouble. |
| 16:52.46 | petn-randall | nounch: Just put it all on LVM, then you don't have to worry if the sizes are enough. |
| 16:52.52 | AVRS | nounch: if you don't need hibernation, maybe measure how long it would take to fill the swap when RAM ends |
| 16:53.01 | tbx1024 | you can use a swapfile on your rootfs |
| 16:53.12 | WubTheCaptain | I have barely anything on this ThinkPad and i3status tells me 5,7GiB |
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| 16:53.46 | AVRS | nounch: also LVM - and if LVM makes it slower, make a 1 GB swap, you can add more in the future |
| 16:54.00 | AVRS | (1 GB or other small outside of LVM) |
| 16:54.10 | Miesco | Whats the linux driver for Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller? (Intel 4400) |
| 16:54.11 | nounch | Have never used LVM. |
| 16:54.31 | AVRS | nounch: it's easy to create stuff in LVM |
| 16:54.41 | AVRS | nounch: find an article about it |
| 16:54.54 | AVRS | install the package "lvm2" |
| 16:55.28 | AVRS | As long as you have multiple partitions, you can reinitialize and add them to an LVM volume group |
| 16:55.31 | petn-randall | AVRS: How does LVM make it slower? |
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| 16:55.44 | tbx1024 | i activated SELinux on Debian testing and i get 100% cpu load even though it is in permissive mode - anyone know something about it? |
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| 16:55.56 | babilen | Miesco: What's the pciid (run "lspci -nn|grep -i vga") -- I guess that you need a newer kernel (e.g. 3.12 from backports) and *maybe* even a newer Xorg version that is not currently available for wheezy. |
| 16:55.57 | abrotman | tbx1024: disable it? |
| 16:55.57 | AVRS | petn-randall: I don't know; actually maybe I read that only in a discussion where they didn't distinguish LVM and encryption |
| 16:56.06 | nounch | Will do. So do I have to create the individual partitions during the Debian installation procedure or can I create them with LVM afterwards? |
| 16:56.08 | abrotman | AVRS: so, you're just making things up? |
| 16:56.32 | WubTheCaptain | LVM2 is sort of an abstraction layer that we could live without |
| 16:56.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell Miesco about intel-gfx |
| 16:56.44 | frostschutz | nounch, swap = 2x ram is an outdated recommendation anyway. use 1-2GB at most. ram size only if you will be using suspend2disk or something |
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| 16:56.48 | tbx1024 | abrotman: well i wanted to use it :/ |
| 16:56.55 | babilen | Miesco: I'd also discuss this in the #intel-gfx channel as they are most likely to know which versions you require exactly. |
| 16:57.02 | nounch | Ah, I *do* have to create them initially, but can resize them afterwards, right? |
| 16:57.07 | tbx1024 | abrotman: is it completely broken in debian? |
| 16:57.14 | AVRS | nounch: I think Debian's installation included the menus even when I chose LVM. |
| 16:57.21 | petn-randall | AVRS: encryption usually costs more CPU, which might affect battery life and make things slower if you're CPU bound in performance. LVM has so little overhead that I doubt it's measurable. |
| 16:57.24 | WubTheCaptain | Miesco: I am not sure but the Intel HD Graphics driver could be i915 |
| 16:57.29 | abrotman | tbx1024: play with it in a VM first .. I probably wouldn't want to "test" it on my main system |
| 16:57.37 | WubTheCaptain | I don't know what it is in Haskell |
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| 16:57.46 | WubTheCaptain | i915 covers many Intel HD Graphics though |
| 16:57.50 | abrotman | so that's useful .. right ? |
| 16:57.57 | abrotman | Miesco: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 16:58.16 | AVRS | petn-randall: well, I've read about "10-20% of CPU load", but the author was not sure and blamed filesystems |
| 16:58.22 | Miesco | babilen: I have Jessie |
| 16:58.24 | abrotman | AVRS: then don't repeat it .. |
| 16:58.24 | babilen | Miesco: Are you running Debian already? Do you have an actual problem you are trying to solve? |
| 16:58.30 | AVRS | abrotman: ok, ok |
| 16:58.34 | tbx1024 | abrotman: i have a brand-new system, so i dont care a lot about it :) but is there a way of fixing the 100% CPU load issue? |
| 16:58.36 | abrotman | AVRS: Making up shit isn't helpful |
| 16:58.47 | abrotman | tbx1024: do oyu know what's causing it? looked at top, etc? |
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| 16:59.00 | babilen | Miesco: Well, you didn't mention that at all and testing is typically support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (cf. /topic) -- So, what does "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" give you? |
| 16:59.12 | petn-randall | AVRS: "10-20% CPU load" for LVM? That's a ridiculous claim. Maybe on ATMEL microcontrollers, but not anything remotely recent on x86. |
| 16:59.28 | tbx1024 | abrotman: openbox, lxterminal, lxclipboatd, etc... |
| 16:59.30 | Miesco | babilen: Yes when I scroll on firefox there is a line in the middle of the screen like its not updating fast enough |
| 16:59.35 | tbx1024 | which is very strange |
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| 16:59.51 | tbx1024 | abrotman: this only happens with selinux |
| 16:59.54 | babilen | Miesco: Only in Firefox? (why do you use that and not iceweasel?) |
| 17:00.11 | AVRS | petn-randall: I don't think it was 10-20% of the total CPU load |
| 17:00.25 | abrotman | tbx1024: all of them are using your CPU ? |
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| 17:00.52 | tbx1024 | abrotman: yes, each takes about 40% |
| 17:00.55 | babilen | Miesco: You might also require a newer mesa version. Mind pasting your Xorg.0.log and and the output of glxinfo? |
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| 17:01.27 | tbx1024 | abrotman: i tried creating modules, but now audit2why tells me somthing about loaded policy mismatch |
| 17:01.30 | babilen | Miesco: Did you discuss it in #intel-gfx already? |
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| 17:02.36 | nounch | During the partitioning step when installing Debian will always reserve enough space for itself. Is that correct? |
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| 17:03.16 | babilen | nounch: Not necessarily (really depends on what you plan to do with it). I found the chosen partition sizes to be far from optimal. |
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| 17:03.27 | tremon | nounch: no. When partitioning, the installer doesn't know the installed size |
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| 17:04.04 | nounch | If I specify 9GB for Debian, but it needs 9.5GB, will it be smart enough to partition with 10GB right away? |
| 17:05.25 | babilen | nounch: It will use whatever you tell it to use. As the installer cannot know what you will install in the future it also cannot warn you about partitions that are too small. Just choose sensible sizes and, maybe, use LVM with some unallocated space so you can grow partitions later on. |
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| 17:05.35 | mjt | it will be smart enough to obey what it has been told |
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| 17:06.18 | Miesco | babilen: I use iceweawel thats what I meant I guess |
| 17:06.25 | babilen | Miesco: ok |
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| 17:06.40 | nounch | babilen: How much unallocated space is sensible? Let's assume I have a 160GB disk. |
| 17:06.43 | tbx1024 | i have a problem with SELinux on Debian jessie - audit2why gives me "Unknown- would be allowed by active policy" |
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| 17:07.08 | tbx1024 | does someone know something about that? |
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| 17:07.17 | babilen | nounch: What will you use that system for? Desktop for personal use? Fileserver? Compute server? Webserver? ... yadda ... yadda ... |
| 17:07.37 | nounch | 9GB Debian (correct?), 8GB swap (for hibernation), 100GB home/data, rest: unallocated; does that make sense? |
| 17:07.50 | nounch | Laptop system |
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| 17:08.55 | nounch | I would like to decouple the home directories from the system partition in case I have to reinstall Debian later on, but do not want to loose the data (or grab it from the backup which will take too long). |
| 17:08.59 | babilen | nounch: I'd use a bit more for Debian as you might want to install additional packages. 15-20GB is probably sensible. But make sure to use LVM! |
| 17:09.00 | rozie | nounch: I'd give at least 15 GB for / on desktop |
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| 17:10.36 | saivert | my problem with partitioning like that is you never know how much space you use for installed stuff vs crap in your home partition |
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| 17:11.06 | saivert | at least don't make the mistake of making your / partition too small |
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| 17:11.58 | abrotman | this is why you use LVM |
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| 17:12.18 | nounch | saivert: Hence I'm asking for a sensible size (my initial assumption of 9GB was explicitly marked as wonky). Now I have >=15GB as a new value. |
| 17:12.39 | babilen | nounch: Do you use LVM now? |
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| 17:13.00 | Miesco | babilen: k hold on I just gotta get the info |
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| 17:13.09 | nounch | abrotman: Sure, but with LVM I still have to decide how much unallocated space I need vs. how much I can allocate. Is having 1GB unallocated an option at all? Can I shrink partitions with LVM if the space is unused? |
| 17:13.14 | tbx1024 | where can i get help with SELinux on debian jessie? |
| 17:13.36 | abrotman | nounch: what? |
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| 17:13.42 | abrotman | tbx1024: there's a #selinux IIRC |
| 17:13.50 | babilen | nounch: Yes, but it is *much* easier to extend logical volumes later on. So please make sure to use LVM and to leave some free data in the VG |
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| 17:13.58 | saivert | LVM is just another partitioning scheme. still doesn't give yu fluid partitions |
| 17:14.10 | nounch | babilen: I have to read up on it, but as far as I can see I can decide to use LVM after manually partitioning as long as I leave some space unallocated, right? |
| 17:14.11 | tbx1024 | abrotman: im already there :) thanks |
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| 17:14.26 | nounch | abrotman: sorry, meant saivert |
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| 17:14.44 | tbx1024 | abrotman: a user "bigon" was helping me, but he's AFK now |
| 17:14.53 | babilen | nounch: No, start using it from the beginning. You can use the "Guided partitioning, separate /home, LVM" (or so) as a starting point and customize that. |
| 17:15.01 | saivert | btrfs with subvolumes is better then |
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| 17:15.17 | nounch | babilen: Didn't know that there was this option. |
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| 17:16.51 | saivert | yes. I like LVM. but now I hope btrfs can solve all problems and be the solution for everything |
| 17:16.59 | nounch | Question on the side: How long will a `--set-selections' with a selectionfile with >= 3000 lines take? Estimations? |
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| 17:17.47 | nounch | Can I use LVM in combination with another OS (Windows dual booting etc.)? |
| 17:17.55 | babilen | nounch: Shouldn't take long, but I'd recommend the procedure in <aptitude clone> (/msg dpkg aptitude clone) |
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| 17:18.25 | Mikaela | I don't think that Windows likes LVM on same drive. |
| 17:18.40 | abrotman | that's nonsense |
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| 17:19.04 | meshuggah | thats Sparta |
| 17:19.21 | babilen | nounch: Windows does not support LVM (but won't have a problem co-existing with it either) |
| 17:19.39 | nounch | Co-existing sounds great. |
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| 17:22.39 | shawnbon206_ | stupid question, but i've been away from linux for so long some very basic things have changed. wheres the correct place to set the permissions for mounting usb sticks? i know about fstab, but i was hoping that any unknown usb stick which was inserted the user would automatically have permission to write to it. they are however, mounting in r/w mode, only root is allowed to write tho |
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| 17:25.20 | socomm | shawnbon206_: we don't take stupid questions here :^) |
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| 17:25.42 | mtn | socomm: sure you do |
| 17:26.00 | mtn | all day long :P |
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| 17:26.31 | Mikaela | I think that the stick should be automatically mounted as r/w for the user who is logged in graphically. |
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| 17:27.33 | shawnbon206_ | Mikaela, i am running jessie if that makes a difference |
| 17:27.47 | Mikaela | I am running jessie too. |
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| 17:28.06 | shawnbon206_ | ok, well i had to sudo cp to move something onto it |
| 17:28.11 | shawnbon206_ | it was mounted r/w |
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| 17:28.41 | saivert | I just tried mosh (mobile shell). and it does wonders when connected to my server on the move |
| 17:28.48 | saivert | less latency issues |
| 17:28.56 | shawnbon206_ | this is a fresh install |
| 17:29.02 | shawnbon206_ | as of yesterday |
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| 17:29.19 | shawnbon206_ | no configuration changes besides sources.list |
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| 17:31.51 | tbx1024 | hmm is there a bugtracker for debian as there is one for fedora? |
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| 17:32.12 | tbx1024 | where should i fill a bug ticket? |
| 17:32.22 | abrotman | tbx1024: bugs.debian.org |
| 17:32.31 | saivert | lol |
| 17:32.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell tbx1024 about reportbug |
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| 17:33.14 | tbx1024 | abrotman: thank you |
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| 17:34.47 | nounch | I am starting to get a bit confused. What LVM configuration options will the Debian install wizard offer? Besides this http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.installation-steps.html there is rarely anything I can find right now. |
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| 17:35.20 | Dry_Lips | any idea about how long it'll take before Libreoffice 4.2 will hit the Wheezy backports? |
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| 17:40.36 | WubTheCaptain | Seems like I lost all audio after trying to reinstall radeon and so on |
| 17:40.41 | WubTheCaptain | ALSA is not muted |
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| 17:41.12 | nounch | WubTheCaptain: ps aux | grep "alsa" |
| 17:41.37 | WubTheCaptain | nounch: Empty, only the grep. alsa-base and alsa-utils is installed though |
| 17:41.41 | WubTheCaptain | I tried reinstalling them too |
| 17:41.47 | nounch | WubTheCaptain: ps aux | grep "pulse" |
| 17:42.01 | WubTheCaptain | Running. I tried killing it earlier and that didn't work either. |
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| 17:42.42 | nounch | WubTheCaptain: kill -9 and --start |
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| 17:43.35 | WubTheCaptain | nounch: No sound. |
| 17:43.46 | petn-randall | nounch: It might at this point just be easier to "try it and see" :) |
| 17:43.48 | WubTheCaptain | Used speaker-test -c 2 |
| 17:43.57 | WubTheCaptain | Although that's ALSA too |
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| 17:44.39 | nounch | petn-randall: I have to read up on LVM a bit so I do not mess it up. My goal still is: separate system and home partitions and swap space |
| 17:44.41 | nounch | . |
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| 17:44.59 | donvito | how to shutdown debian box from sshd? |
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| 17:45.14 | nounch | WubTheCaptain: kill everything sound-related and restart either pulse or alsa, if possible. |
| 17:45.15 | WubTheCaptain | donvito: sudo poweroff |
| 17:45.19 | Mikaela | donvito: "poweroff" |
| 17:45.27 | nounch | WubTheCaptain: I cannot tell you more, sorry. |
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| 17:46.11 | password2 | plug your audio cable in :p |
| 17:46.23 | WubTheCaptain | password2: It is plugged into default ALSA device |
| 17:46.30 | password2 | yeah yeah |
| 17:46.32 | password2 | jk |
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| 17:46.48 | WubTheCaptain | Hmph, suddenly works |
| 17:47.02 | WubTheCaptain | And I didn't really do anything |
| 17:47.03 | nounch | WubTheCaptain: Mute button (harware + software)? Speaker/earphones cable? |
| 17:47.12 | nounch | WubTheCaptain: nm |
| 17:47.14 | WubTheCaptain | nounch: No hardware button. Just nothing really. |
| 17:47.18 | WubTheCaptain | shrugs |
| 17:47.28 | WubTheCaptain | OSS4 won't work on my setup unfortunately |
| 17:47.33 | WubTheCaptain | dkms fails I think |
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| 17:47.54 | nounch | petn-randall: Well, time pressures right now. I will come back and annoy you a bit more, don't worry. |
| 17:48.06 | nounch | Thanks. Especially thanks for mentioning LVM. See you. |
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| 18:29.43 | DrFoo | I have a segfault with libglib-2.0.so.0.3200.4 that seems to prevent me from loggin into a user session in gnome. I can access the machine by tty1 and su to root then startx taking me to a gnome session. |
| 18:29.50 | DrFoo | Can someone assist? |
| 18:30.10 | mdim | how does apt-get in Debian fetch packages? Is it through a plain text protocol? |
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| 18:30.44 | pietro10 | Hi. What's the preferred way to install the ubuntu fonts on jessie? Googling gives me a number of different options, including a bug saying that packages should ahve been uploaded to contrib...? Thanks. |
| 18:31.59 | mtn | mdim: apt-get and aptitude are command line. synaptic is a gui. all install packages. |
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| 18:32.48 | jordanm | mdim: depends on the URI scheme you use in your sources. Usually http or ftp |
| 18:32.53 | mdim | mtn: that's not my question. I'm asking about the protocol being used in the background to fetch packages. Is it over SSL? |
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| 18:33.20 | babilen | mdim: If you use https:// then yes, it is SSL, if not then not. You need apt-transport-https for that. |
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| 18:36.39 | mdim | babilen: thx! So, I can simply replace http with https in /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy/updates, wheezy, and wheezy-backports? |
| 18:36.59 | jordanm | if the mirror offers https |
| 18:37.01 | babilen | mdim: If you have apt-transport-https installed you should be able to use it like that, yes. |
| 18:37.15 | mdim | babilen: cool, just installed it |
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| 18:39.40 | aemquo | Any reason why pdfedit isn't in the repos? |
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| 18:40.19 | centrx | aemquo, It is in oldstable and in unstable, so it was probably removed from wheezy for some reason |
| 18:40.32 | aemquo | Ah |
| 18:41.15 | centrx | Actually it looks like it is only on m68k in unstable |
| 18:41.27 | centrx | So it must have been removed entirely for some reason |
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| 18:41.33 | aemquo | Also, debian wiki seems down. |
| 18:41.44 | wols_ | inkscapr or scribus can edit pdfs too |
| 18:41.59 | mdim | jordanm: babilen: where can I find out what mirrors support https? Seems like security.debian.org does not |
| 18:42.12 | centrx | aemquo, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=678046 |
| 18:42.24 | babilen | mdim: No idea, the mirror list *might* have that data, but I've never checked it. |
| 18:42.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell mdim about mirror list |
| 18:42.53 | babilen | It does not. |
| 18:42.58 | aemquo | centrx, thanks |
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| 18:48.41 | mdim | babilen: yeah, even a web search hasn't given any useful results |
| 18:48.51 | mdim | babilen: is there a mirror at all with ssl? |
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| 18:54.25 | [HUN]bitvilag | hi everyone |
| 18:54.30 | centrx | Ahoy |
| 18:54.40 | [HUN]bitvilag | I need some help with iptables |
| 18:54.56 | [HUN]bitvilag | is anyone here an expert? |
| 18:55.01 | [HUN]bitvilag | of iptables |
| 18:55.04 | centrx | *gasp* an expert |
| 18:55.08 | [HUN]bitvilag | i used shorewall untill now |
| 18:55.12 | [HUN]bitvilag | until |
| 18:55.32 | centrx | !enter |
| 18:55.32 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:55.37 | [HUN]bitvilag | but what i want to do is too complicated for shorwall |
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| 18:56.53 | [HUN]bitvilag | centrx: is *gasp* here? |
| 18:57.00 | abrotman | [HUN]bitvilag: #netfilter |
| 18:57.01 | centrx | :) |
| 18:57.36 | [HUN]bitvilag | is this like shorewall? |
| 18:57.53 | abrotman | [HUN]bitvilag: #netfilter |
| 18:58.40 | [HUN]bitvilag | thanks. I did go there but no activity so far:S |
| 18:58.58 | abrotman | so wait |
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| 18:59.38 | [HUN]bitvilag | yeah... just hoping they react soon since I have to go ...soon |
| 18:59.55 | abrotman | That's the channel with the experts .. |
| 19:00.14 | wiwalde | what file should i save my nvidia xserver settings too ? |
| 19:00.29 | [HUN]bitvilag | isnt that the X11.org or sth |
| 19:00.34 | abrotman | no |
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| 19:03.00 | wiwalde | i though it was etc/x11/xorg.conf but that dosent seem to work. not sure how debian does it |
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| 19:04.38 | mdim | does the order of sources in /etc/apt/sources.list matter? I.e. if I have source1 before source2, and they both provide the same package, will source1 be consulted first? |
| 19:04.46 | abrotman | nope |
| 19:05.51 | mdim | abrotman: how can I then know if a package is being downloaded through a direct connection to a server or through p2p (apt-p2p)? |
| 19:06.29 | abrotman | mdim: probably says at the beginning of the line when it starts downloading |
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| 19:07.40 | mdim | abrotman: ok, to rephrase my question - how can I set p2p to be a priority, and a direct link only a fallback? |
| 19:08.20 | abrotman | why wouldn't you just use one, not both/. |
| 19:08.21 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:08.25 | wols_ | mdim: since when does apt download via p2p? |
| 19:08.32 | wols_ | it uses ftp, http or direct cdrom access |
| 19:09.09 | mdim | abrotman: because that's how apt-p2p works: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/apt-p2p |
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| 19:09.30 | abrotman | what? |
| 19:09.49 | mdim | abrotman: |
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| 19:09.57 | mdim | abrotman: "However, if a package can not be found on any peers, Apt-P2P will fall back to downloading from a mirror to ensure all packages are downloaded." |
| 19:10.04 | abrotman | mdim: it tells you |
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| 19:12.49 | abrotman | mdim: it says it will try to use p2p, and if it can't, it uses http .. what more do you want? |
| 19:12.53 | Aliens | #flood |
| 19:12.57 | Aliens | hahah |
| 19:14.02 | rozie | mdim: hardly ever packages are downloaded using p2p |
| 19:14.13 | iLogic | hey guys, I've been trying to update java on debian wheezy but so far I failed miserably to make it work on Iceweasel, even after get the right java -version on console and linking libnpjp2.so to ~/.mozilla/plugins I still get the alert to update when I try to check if it's working |
| 19:15.10 | rozie | mdim: http://rozie.blox.pl/2011/01/Apt-p2p-ostateczny-test.html (PL, use google translate) |
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| 19:21.07 | iLogic | should I change to a more java friendly distro? |
| 19:22.05 | abrotman | Which would be what? |
| 19:22.41 | iLogic | idk, just asking |
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| 19:25.41 | wiwalde | how do i save my nvidia xserver settings ? (dual screen position) saving to etc/x11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf or etc/x11/xorg.conf dosent work. i have to run nvidia settings and do it manualy everry time i start the os |
| 19:25.47 | centrx | iLogic, Java is notorious for asking about updates all the time |
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| 19:40.38 | DrFoo | I have a file user.keystore.13CZZQV . It appears to be empty, is it safe to delete. I cannot login to gnome with this account and am thinking it may be a problem. |
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| 19:44.44 | LtL | DrFoo: move it somwhere, if all is well delete it. you might try to run stat and file on it. |
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| 19:46.39 | DrFoo | LtL: those are handy commands! Thanks |
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| 19:48.41 | LtL | DrFoo: you're welcome |
| 19:48.47 | alex20032 | Hi |
| 19:49.19 | alex20032 | I dont remember which distro it was (i think it was debian), but that distro was trying to purge all bashism from the system... is it debian? |
| 19:49.48 | abrotman | alex20032: from control scripts perhaps, see dash as your /bin/sh |
| 19:50.11 | alex20032 | so /bin/sh is a symlink to dash? |
| 19:50.59 | abrotman | it can be, not every system is like that |
| 19:51.09 | alex20032 | i mean on debian |
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| 19:51.24 | abrotman | it can be, not every system is like that |
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| 19:51.48 | abrotman | alex20032: a new sysetm will default to that, but you can change that if you want |
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| 19:52.43 | alex20032 | so debian dont have any bash on script with /bin/sh shebang? |
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| 19:52.58 | alex20032 | every bashism script have the correct shebang on debian? |
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| 19:53.51 | abrotman | what? |
| 19:54.18 | alex20032 | script that have bashism has /bin/bash and not /bin/sh as the shebang? |
| 19:54.40 | abrotman | I would think so |
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| 19:57.57 | DrFoo | Seems a segfault in libglib is causing a "BSOD" on login for my main user. How can I get a core dump of this if I cannot access this user. Other users do not generate errors. |
| 19:58.34 | alex20032 | you mean KP? |
| 19:58.39 | alex20032 | KPOD |
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| 19:58.43 | alex20032 | kernel panic of death |
| 19:59.08 | abrotman | DrFoo: login via console |
| 19:59.12 | DrFoo | alex20032: No, it's a screen that says "Oh no! Something has gone wrong." |
| 19:59.22 | DrFoo | reminiscent of an old mac |
| 19:59.58 | DrFoo | abrotman: I can log in via console and other users can log in fine, but how do I get the core dump and how do I diagnose and fix? |
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| 20:00.29 | Agiofws | hey guys |
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| 20:01.47 | abrotman | DrFoo: there are logs in $HOME and /var/log/ |
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| 20:05.16 | dkarampin | hi, I want to install firmware-iwlwifi package. I run jessie. Which repo should I add ? |
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| 20:05.30 | mauww | is it possible to use iwm3 AND xfce4? |
| 20:05.47 | mauww | i need these tiling window features anyways |
| 20:06.09 | petn-randall | mdim: What is your exact aim? The package repos still need to be signed, so the only thing you'll be hiding via https is the exact package name you're downloading. Which can already be deduced from the actual package size. |
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| 20:06.22 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dkarampin about non-free |
| 20:06.46 | dkarampin | abrotman, dpkg doesn't talk |
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| 20:06.54 | abrotman | dpkg certainly does |
| 20:06.54 | dpkg | abrotman: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:07.01 | abrotman | dkarampin: check your private messages |
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| 20:09.29 | frikinz | http://rgeissert.blogspot.com/search/label/bashisms |
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| 20:10.42 | dkarampin | abrotman, just a question. "jessie main" and "jessie contrib main" are the same repos ? |
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| 20:11.45 | abrotman | dkarampin: sort of, yes .. they're different sections in that repo |
| 20:12.07 | DrFoo | abrotman: paste.debian.net/79694 |
| 20:12.31 | DrFoo | Can you see what's wrong? |
| 20:13.11 | abrotman | looks |
| 20:13.57 | abrotman | sometihng relating to dbus .. have you tried restarting the box? |
| 20:15.53 | dkarampin | abrotman, Can you have a look at my sources.list here: http://paste.debian.net/79695 ? Is there anything reduntant or conflicting ? |
| 20:16.21 | ocb | I need some help to get my audio working. This is not a bug or whatsoever, I just installed debian with the minimum configuration but it is somewhat hard to find a good documentation on the topic as most people are actually looking for troubleshooting. |
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| 20:17.35 | abrotman | dkarampin: yes, much is redundant .. |
| 20:18.06 | abrotman | dkarampin: start by removing lines 13-17, then repaste |
| 20:18.11 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dkarampin about jessie sources.list |
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| 20:19.12 | DrFoo | abrotman: yes. It's only one user that cannot log in to gnome. Other users are fine, and tty sessions are fine. Something is corrupt with that user, but don't know how to find out what. |
| 20:19.40 | dkarampin | aboman, when I remove the non-free lines I can't find firmware-iwlwifi |
| 20:19.57 | abrotman | dkarampin: see what the bot told you |
| 20:20.07 | abrotman | dkarampin: you have too many sources, they're going to cause problems later |
| 20:20.15 | abrotman | (they point at different things) |
| 20:20.36 | DrFoo | Is Dconf related to Dbus? |
| 20:21.04 | dkarampin | abrotman, I know. I always screw it up with sources.list but I never understood the namespaces in there |
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| 20:30.24 | dkarampin | aboman, there is no information on how to add non free repos to jessie |
| 20:30.41 | abrotman | dkarampin: abro<tab> |
| 20:30.49 | abrotman | dkarampin: there is plenty of information |
| 20:30.52 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dkarampin about non-free |
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| 20:32.09 | dkarampin | are main and main contrib non-free conflicting ? |
| 20:32.46 | abrotman | no |
| 20:32.55 | abrotman | dkarampin: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 20:33.55 | dkarampin | well, it was the one I had before, but you told me to delete lines 13-17 http://paste.debian.net/79695 |
| 20:35.52 | abrotman | so I'm asking you to paste what you have now .. |
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| 20:37.39 | dkarampin | abrotman, this is what I have right now and apt-get update does not show conflicts: http://paste.debian.net/79698 |
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| 20:37.46 | dvs | dkarampin: http://paste.debian.net/79699/ |
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| 20:37.58 | dkarampin | however, I cannot see the firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 20:38.29 | abrotman | dkarampin: so add "contrib non-free" to the end of lines 7 and 8 and 10 and 11 |
| 20:38.42 | dkarampin | thanks |
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| 20:49.08 | chris__w | hi, i am getting out of memory problems when coping (large files) with samba. machine hast only 256mb ram. but htop doesn't show particularly high usage. before the transfere times out and i can see the out of memory error in dmesg. any suggestions how to run a fileserver with such low memory? |
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| 20:49.41 | centrx | chris__w, How big is your swap partition? |
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| 20:50.59 | chris__w | 350 mb only 4 of it are used. |
| 20:51.42 | centrx | Even when you copy the large file the swap partition is not used? |
| 20:51.45 | abrotman | how big is the file? |
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| 20:52.32 | chris__w | test file is 1.5gb. but strange thing is. htop doesn't show ram filling up. haven't watched swap thought. will do this right now. |
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| 20:54.19 | phenster | hello. I was wondering what why is the group name repeated in commands similar to >> chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www? |
| 20:55.09 | centrx | phenster, user:group |
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| 20:55.48 | centrx | chris__w, You should have at least 512MB of swap, probably more |
| 20:55.49 | phenster | centrx: I have no user called "www-data", yet it worked? |
| 20:56.02 | abrotman | phenster: how do you know you don't? |
| 20:56.30 | phenster | abrotman: it is a fresh installation and I did not create a group called "test123" |
| 20:56.39 | phenster | sorry, I did not create a "user" called "test123" |
| 20:56.39 | abrotman | phenster: getent passwd www-data |
| 20:57.13 | phenster | I created a group called "group123", then a user called "user123". |
| 20:57.19 | phenster | I added user123 to group123. |
| 20:57.29 | phenster | I want this group123 to own /var/www. |
| 20:57.45 | abrotman | so what's the problem? |
| 20:57.47 | phenster | if I run >> chown -R group123:group123 /var/www |
| 20:57.48 | phenster | it works. |
| 20:58.03 | phenster | how come does it work? I do not have a user called "group123". |
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| 20:58.32 | SumYunGuy | phenster: specifying user is optional. Try chown -R :group123 /var/www |
| 20:59.35 | phenster | how does it work though? i have NO user called "group123". I get NO errors. why do I not get errors? ;) |
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| 21:04.49 | centrx | phenster, You must have such a user |
| 21:04.58 | centrx | phenster, You keep saying you don't have these users, but have you looked in /etc/passwd ? |
| 21:05.28 | phenster | centrx: I will check, perhaps my fault. |
| 21:05.55 | phenster | centrx: is >> chmod -R g+rw /var/www << good way to secure and set permission for /var/www? |
| 21:06.18 | centrx | phenster, Depends on what permissions you want? |
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| 21:06.26 | centrx | phenster, Doing g+rw will not change the permissions for o (other) |
| 21:06.31 | phenster | I am building a ruby app on sinatra, a hello world tutorial |
| 21:06.44 | phenster | I will get it online probably with passenger server |
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| 21:06.52 | phenster | or maybe nginx/passenger later |
| 21:07.06 | phenster | I want apache and/or nginx access the folder if necessary with our errors |
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| 21:10.41 | shawnbon206 | ni |
| 21:10.45 | shawnbon206 | ni! |
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| 21:14.44 | jelly-home | ##python-references is over there --> |
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| 21:16.55 | Martin__1 | Hey! I wanted a fresh debian installation. Burned the CD, booted, chose "Graphical installation", and all I get is "(debconf:####): Gtk-WARNING **: Cannot open display:". It cannot even start the graphical installer. :/ |
| 21:16.56 | saivert | *sigh* passenger. because every scripting language should have its own web server binding |
| 21:17.27 | saivert | you can't just use one fr all |
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| 21:17.33 | saivert | *for |
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| 21:18.02 | chris__w | no i watch the transfere once more in htop. mem usage is between 30-40MB of 216. swap never uses more than 4/351MB. only the cpu is at its limits from time to time. due to disk encryption and btrfs raid1 i suppose. |
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| 21:23.54 | chris__w | why can i get out of memory when htop shows only 40 out of 216mb used? |
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| 21:25.10 | abrotman | buffers ? |
| 21:25.34 | chris__w | yeah, well shouldn't that count into a programs memory usage? |
| 21:25.40 | Martin__1 | hmm interesting. |
| 21:26.37 | abrotman | chris__w: free -m |
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| 21:28.11 | chris__w | well 202 of 212 used but those are caches right. the section htop shows yellow. buffers/cache: 29 used, 187 free |
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| 21:29.30 | phenster | centrx: are you there? |
| 21:29.48 | centrx | Ahoy |
| 21:30.02 | phenster | could you please tell me your opinion about the following: |
| 21:30.06 | phenster | I want apache and/or nginx access the folder if necessary with our errors |
| 21:30.11 | phenster | centrx: is >> chmod -R g+rw /var/www << good way to secure and set permission for /var/www? |
| 21:30.49 | centrx | I don't know |
| 21:30.53 | centrx | Probably wouldn't want write access |
| 21:31.10 | phenster | g+ means group, r read and w write? |
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| 21:33.01 | frikinz | +: add, -: remove, =: only set the one indicated |
| 21:33.51 | frikinz | man chmod |
| 21:34.16 | tbx1024 | anyone knows how to disable MLS in SELinux? |
| 21:35.44 | phenster | thank you very much |
| 21:35.45 | phenster | good bye all |
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| 21:45.29 | tbx1024 | so would anyone know how to disable MLS in SELinux? |
| 21:46.01 | yang | Any idea which version of "forcedeth" ethernet driver does debian testing use ? |
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| 21:46.39 | jhutchins | yang: I think it's part of the kernel. |
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| 21:48.23 | jhutchins | yang: Yep. |
| 21:48.26 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 21:48.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.8-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.6-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 21:49.15 | yang | jhutchins: yes, but it had different versions in squeeze its 0.64, and latest from nvidia is 1.21... |
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| 21:50.15 | jhutchins | yang: You can probably break it down closer at packages.debian.org, or someone in debian-next on oftc.net |
| 21:50.38 | yang | ok |
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| 21:57.56 | shawnbon206 | !newer wine |
| 21:57.57 | dpkg | The wine-unstable packages in Debian are very out of date and possibly not what you want. For unofficial, newer versions of these packages for jessie/sid, see http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ . These packages can be backported to wheezy with a little work, ask me about <ssb>. Alternatively, the commercial <cxoffice> offers a recent wine with support. |
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| 22:01.12 | petn-randall | yang: forcedeth is the open source driver in tree. It has nothing to do with any driver that nvidia developed. |
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| 22:05.58 | krababbel | Is there a way to change the grub boot order apart from editing the nuber /etc/default/grub? |
| 22:06.06 | Martin__1 | anyone with ATI tried the graphical debian installer? |
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| 22:06.56 | petn-randall | krababbel: Depends on what you're trying to do. It default to the newest kernel being the first. |
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| 22:07.26 | petn-randall | !survey |
| 22:07.26 | dpkg | i guess survey is Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask. |
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| 22:07.36 | krababbel | petn-randall: OK, I installed an older kernel, I am actually on testing now, and I want to have the stable kernel as default. |
| 22:08.08 | petn-randall | krababbel: So you're mixing releases? That's not such a good idea. |
| 22:09.05 | krababbel | petn-randall: I know, it is a development VM though. I will switch to full stable if I get errors. |
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| 22:10.42 | petn-randall | krababbel: You mean reinstall? Downgrading is not supported, and breaks the system in most cases. |
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| 22:11.19 | krababbel | petn-randall: Yes, reinstall. :) I did it many times. It is just a local server for a bit of coding. |
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| 22:12.57 | petn-randall | krababbel: Easiest way is to uninstall the testing kernel. Next easiest way is to edit /etc/default/grub and change GRUB_DEFAULT to point to the stable kernel. |
| 22:13.49 | krababbel | petn-randall: The stable kernel seems to solve an issue I have with the VM. I hope this is a bug which could get fixed, and that it wouldn't exist in the next Debian release. OK, thanks a lot |
| 22:14.29 | jhutchins | Martin__1: Several thousand people I should imagine. |
| 22:16.03 | jhutchins | Martin__1: Debian gets a bit less than 2,000 hits per day at disrowatch.org. |
| 22:17.32 | Martin__1 | jhutchins: Hmm yes.. It seems one of the latest kernel updates made other ati-mobility card owners sad. |
| 22:17.52 | Martin__1 | as well as me. :P |
| 22:18.42 | jhutchins | Martin__1: Yeah, Ubuntu users are having a heck of a time with the 2013 releases. |
| 22:19.10 | jhutchins | Martin__1: (Which use newer kernels that break thingsg like that.) |
| 22:19.40 | jhutchins | Martin__1: THere's a pretty good chance that's release-critical and jesse won't release until it's fixed. |
| 22:19.58 | tbx1024 | i ran in a problem in which SELinux has MLS policy active even though the config file says "default" and the "selinux-policy-mls" package is not installed |
| 22:20.08 | tbx1024 | any ideas about that? |
| 22:20.16 | Martin__1 | Hmm strange. I have been running the same deb-testing installation for what, 4-5 years, without problems. But then, alas, a month ago, I wanted to try Half Life 1 through Steam, but it ran at 1 FPS. Decided to try to upgrade the graphics driver... bad idea! |
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| 22:21.27 | Martin__1 | jhutchins: So the problems stems from my sudden game-needyness during the holiday :D |
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| 22:21.37 | krababbel | Martin__1: I had testing releases break like that, last time was a two months old Ubuntu server non LTS. My stable debian server just keeps going. |
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| 22:22.44 | Martin__1 | krababbel: Yeah, it just made me sad to always run old versions of various software, when running stable. |
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| 22:24.11 | Martin__1 | hmm.. Maybe I should try stable.. then upgrade to testing, but hold back the graphics driver. Hmm.. |
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| 22:24.18 | krababbel | We are not the first, for sure. Well, it surely depends on what you need. I am quite happy for every year I don't have to mess with a system. :) |
| 22:24.24 | petn-randall | Martin__1: We prefer the term "well-tested" :) |
| 22:24.34 | krababbel | or month at least |
| 22:24.43 | kale | hi, i'm considering debian, but want to ask about some functionality first. My current system starts by loading an initramfs that assembles a raid10, finds a luks key on an inserted usb-storage device, then unlocks the luks partitions, finds the lvm partitions, and finally runs init from the root partition. can i make a similar setup in debian? |
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| 22:25.46 | petn-randall | kale: I have a similar setup (sans luks key on USB) running on three systems here. So yes, that setup is possible. |
| 22:25.59 | petn-randall | kale: What have you been running until now? |
| 22:26.08 | kale | petn-randall: are there native tools to build the initrd? |
| 22:27.06 | petn-randall | kale: There are, though this setup works out of the box (no touching your initramfs needed). |
| 22:27.15 | kale | petn-randall: i am currently runing gentoo, but have been running potato :-) |
| 22:27.22 | sheap | would this work on a file that preseed would grab when the 'late command' was called? |
| 22:27.28 | sheap | http://paste.debian.net/79712/ |
| 22:27.55 | petn-randall | kale: I see. Wow, potato is ancient :) |
| 22:29.22 | kale | petn-randall: my current setup loads the initrd, and then initrd prompts for s for a shell, or k to enter the luks key, and then each seconds checks for the usb-storage device. can i do this too? |
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| 22:31.42 | petn-randall | kale: I only have a passphrase set, so that's the only thing it asks for. But I guess if you have a passphrase and a file set in the key storage that it will offer such. |
| 22:32.26 | kale | petn-randall: i need to be able to reboot the system remotely |
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| 22:33.24 | schultza | why is only /etc/resolv.conf maxed to 3 nameserver entries? |
| 22:33.44 | petn-randall | kale: If the USB key is plugged in, you can configure to grab the key straight from there. I've got a set up that starts dropbear and waits for a passphrase via SSH, works for me. |
| 22:34.37 | kale | petn-randall: that sounds interesting |
| 22:34.53 | kale | petn-randall: what about systemd, has it been implemented yet? |
| 22:34.57 | petn-randall | kale: Setup looks roughly like this: http://blog.fealdia.org/2013/02/09/debian-squeeze-encrypted-root-partition-with-ssh-remote-unlocking/ |
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| 22:35.54 | petn-randall | kale: systemd is available in wheezy upwards, but not the default yet. There is a hot debate about systemd vs SysV init vs upstart on the debian-devel mailinglist currently, though. |
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| 22:36.55 | kale | petn-randall: then what about gnome3? it seems gnome3 heavily depends on systemd. So if you want gnome, then you would have to have systemd too? |
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| 22:37.44 | petn-randall | kale: Yeah, and no. I've had this discussion too many times in the last weeks, but I do favour systemd. |
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| 22:38.17 | liske1 | testuje irssi działa ?? |
| 22:38.28 | xand | ?pl |
| 22:38.30 | xand | !pl |
| 22:38.31 | dpkg | Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>. |
| 22:38.45 | petn-randall | perl++ :) |
| 22:38.45 | Martin__1 | lol. |
| 22:38.48 | kale | petn-randall: i guess systemd has come to stay, so that means i should go with wheezy. is that the current stable? |
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| 22:39.18 | Golynx | It turned out that Clamav was using ftp.heanet.ie to do background antivirus updates. Had to uninstall it , was using way! too much data |
| 22:40.01 | liske1 | sorry i don`t know in this canal speak english , sorry for my bad english |
| 22:40.26 | trampel | kale: yes wheezy is the current 'stable'. cf: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 22:40.28 | petn-randall | Golynx: Way to much data of what? |
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| 22:40.48 | petn-randall | liske1: No problem. There's a debian channel in polish if that's more comfortable for you. |
| 22:41.25 | kale | trampel: thanx, do you know how long the release cycles between stables are these days? for woody it was 5 years :-) |
| 22:41.39 | liske1 | no no I learn english that is great for my learn not in the school ;) |
| 22:41.43 | petn-randall | kale: There are also technical as well as political problems that speak against systemd, which is why this discussion is flaming along for so long. :) |
| 22:41.59 | Golynx | petn-randall: was an issue i had here 5 hours ago, didnt knew what was causing my bandwith spikes. Finally chased the process id down and found the culprit . Glad its fixed now |
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| 22:42.26 | abrotman | petn-randall: ignore Golynx he's not using Debian |
| 22:42.52 | kale | petn-randall: yes, i know. i just want xfce4+compiz, that pulls gnome in, pulls systemd in... so thats where i am. |
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| 22:43.34 | Golynx | abrotman: yes #ubuntu refered me here earlier. So everythings good now |
| 22:43.35 | trampel | kale: there are release statistics on that same web-page under "Release statistics" (woody was ~4 years) |
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| 22:43.51 | abrotman | Golynx: again, use #ubuntu, we do not support Ubuntu here |
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| 22:44.19 | petn-randall | kale: running xfce here fine without gnome and systemd. |
| 22:44.31 | liske1 | \q |
| 22:44.31 | kale | petn-randall: and compiz-fusion? |
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| 22:45.53 | nounch | Hello. How would I go about when I want to mount a directory deeply nested (relatively) on an external hard drive as the root directory of a user, but not loose the actual home directory of the user? Temporarily rename the original home directory, then make a symlink in `/home' with the user's name to the directory on the external drive? |
| 22:46.13 | kale | nounch: mount -o bind |
| 22:46.21 | petn-randall | kale: Doesn't depend on gnome in Debian. |
| 22:46.42 | phogg | nounch: mounting overtop of a directory doesn't touch the contents on the underlying device |
| 22:46.56 | kale | petn-randall: hmm... now we are getting somwhere... i'll get an iso and reinstall my laptop. |
| 22:47.20 | petn-randall | nounch: Woah, step back a little. What are you trying to do? |
| 22:47.25 | kale | petn-randall: since i'm used to gentoo, would you have any advice for using testing vs. stable? |
| 22:47.31 | nounch | phogg: `overtop'? |
| 22:47.48 | Lady_Aleena | The USB ports on my monitor aren't working, and I checked to make sure they were connected. Is there somewhere I can check to see if they are enabled? |
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| 22:48.10 | petn-randall | kale: Start with stable, if you're comfortable with Debian and especially the package management tools, you may upgrade to testing. Either way you have to install stable first. |
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| 22:48.42 | nounch | petn-randall: Basically I try to have a `portable' home directory which resides on an external HDD, but I still like to have normal home directory for times when the external disk is not connected. |
| 22:48.43 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: Do you know if they are just cable extensions, or if it is an hub? |
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| 22:48.52 | kale | petn-randall: debian should be far easier to maintain than gentoo, so i'm not afriad of the hassle i might get from testing |
| 22:48.54 | sheap | I don't find testing to unlike stable |
| 22:49.09 | petn-randall | sheap: Come again? |
| 22:49.15 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, I am not sure. What is the difference? |
| 22:49.50 | sheap | petn-randall: I mean, testing has been pretty reliable for me, just newer packages |
| 22:49.53 | sheap | butttt |
| 22:49.58 | sheap | thats just my opinion |
| 22:50.02 | krababbel | nounch: I'd try to script mounting a 'sync' directory on the external drive and automatically rsync it with the local home. |
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| 22:50.16 | petn-randall | kale: With installing testing you're a willing participant of the next stable release. You'll run into library transitions, and during that phase packages that aren't installable. So it's at times a bumpy ride I would recommend anyone who isn't aquainted to Debian yet. |
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| 22:50.36 | nounch | petn-randall: I know that this is not a great idea, but I'd like to see if all config files residing on the external disk work the way I expect them to work etc. |
| 22:50.44 | aleksander | Is there a way to show all the arguments being passed by apt-get while configuring a package? |
| 22:50.52 | aleksander | by apt-get* |
| 22:50.54 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: If your monitor has more USB connector going out than coming in, you have a hub. |
| 22:51.22 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, then I have a hub, since there are two USB ports on the monitor. |
| 22:51.29 | aleksander | I mean, there's an error in Ubuntu: http://pastebin.com/LAhiuaLA I don't know what to do with |
| 22:51.34 | kale | petn-randall: ok, thanks for the clarifications, i assure you i will get back during the installation :-) now for a usb-storage bootable iso ... |
| 22:51.44 | nounch | krababbel: We are talking about tenths of GB of data, so syncing is not an option and not what I really want since the disk where the system is running from is not large enough to handle it either etc. |
| 22:51.50 | petn-randall | nounch: It won't work at all when the user is logged in (due to open file descriptors), and even then I think it would be more annoying to have two user profiles you have to maintain. |
| 22:51.52 | abrotman | aleksander: please ask #ubuntu, we do not support it here |
| 22:52.11 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, I can wait, btw, so you can get done helping others. |
| 22:52.22 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: lsusb would show the hub |
| 22:52.24 | abrotman | or should |
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| 22:53.22 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: what abrotman said. 'lsusb' should give you a device that carries the name of your monitor manufacturer. |
| 22:53.35 | krababbel | nounch: I'd then keep the big files in one directory and exclude it from syncing. There is overlayfs too, but I haven't used it. |
| 22:53.38 | aleksander | abrotman, you use the same apt-get, don't you? And my question is about that specific application, not Ubuntu kernel |
| 22:53.46 | nounch | petn-randall: 1) Sure, it *is* annoying. No arguing there. 2) What open file descriptors? To clarify: all the files on the external disk have the same privileges (user name, not UID, of course) as the user of the running system. |
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| 22:53.50 | kale | Lady_Aleena: you could open a terminal and run the command "watch -n1 lsusb", this will continuously list the devices connected via usb. try plugging/unplugging devices and watch the output |
| 22:53.56 | abrotman | aleksander: Ubuntu is offotpic here, go to #ubuntu. Good luck |
| 22:54.17 | petn-randall | aleksander: No, they don't. Please ask at Ubuntu, you're being offtopic here. |
| 22:54.31 | Lady_Aleena | Now to find out what the name of my monitor's manufacturer is, since all it has on the front is DELL, who probably didn't manufacture it. |
| 22:54.49 | krababbel | nounch: but I never did this with rsync, and there are probably details to consider. |
| 22:54.53 | liske1 | other Lady_Allena plug a pendrive on the USB and run in a terminal "fdisk -l" when she is in the list then you USB is good ;p |
| 22:55.00 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: If you paste the output of 'lsusb' to http://paste.debian.net, we might help you with it. |
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| 22:55.20 | tohuw | Hello, I'm spinning up a Debian system I intent to run a nginx/postgresql/openldap/python stack on. I'm a former Ubuntu server user, and consider myself reasonably proficient at administrating a Linux web server. This system is not uptime-critical, but I don't wish to suffer the tumultuousness of a bleeding edge or nightly build release. Given this, is debian unstable to aggressive of a choice? Specifically, I'm looking at 3.10-1 for |
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| 22:55.32 | nounch | krababbel: Sure, that would be the clean way. You are right there. At the moment, though, I concentrate on how I can mount an external HDD in `/mnt/sdb1/' and point a symlink `/home/username/' to `/mnt/sdb1/backup/home/username/'. In theory it should work, right? |
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| 22:56.02 | abrotman | tohuw: you were cut off .. and ifit's production, you don't want unstable |
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| 22:56.07 | petn-randall | nounch: Why not just keep the large files on your external medium? Or are you planning to use the profile on several machines? |
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| 22:56.14 | Lady_Aleena | My lsusb: http://paste.debian.net/79715/ |
| 22:56.15 | krababbel | nounch: The thing with open file descriptors might be a problem, I am not sure what would happen. |
| 22:56.40 | krababbel | nounch: open file descriptors = open files |
| 22:56.50 | nounch | petn-randall: By the way (I think we were talking earlier), LVM with swap and separated home dir seems to work out of the box with the Debian installation wizard. |
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| 22:57.18 | ar | hi |
| 22:57.25 | nounch | Krabbe: Yeah, about that: what exactly is `the thing with open file descriptors'? I somehow do not get it. |
| 22:57.26 | petn-randall | nounch: Yeah, got that setup running here :) |
| 22:57.26 | q3k | ops: please un +q *!*@nat.hackerspace.pl |
| 22:57.37 | abrotman | q3k: No |
| 22:57.42 | q3k | this is a common host for a bunch of users - don't be dicks |
| 22:57.44 | nounch | petn-randall: krababbel: Sure, that would be the clean way. You are right there. At the moment, though, I concentrate on how I can mount an external HDD in `/mnt/sdb1/' and point a symlink `/home/username/' to `/mnt/sdb1/backup/home/username/'. In theory it should work, right? |
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| 22:59.01 | krababbel | nounch: open file descriptors are basically files in use by processes, like those profile settings maybe. |
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| 22:59.12 | nounch | petn-randall: Concerning LVM + swap + separate home: I only tested it in a VM so far and it went astonishingly smooth. |
| 22:59.13 | sheap | laying down the law |
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| 22:59.39 | ar | abrotman: you should know better |
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| 23:00.13 | abrotman | ar: excuse me? |
| 23:00.15 | ar | abrotman: power comes with responsibility |
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| 23:00.36 | nounch | krababbel: Yes, sure, but there are no open files in `/mnt/sdb1/backup/home/username/' which are used by any processes and the old (original) home dir gets renamed anyway (to "switch it of" in its function as home dir). |
| 23:00.37 | dreamss | dont forget about the mighty mount --bind |
| 23:00.51 | dreamss | which is my personal fav vs ln |
| 23:01.15 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, did you see the paste link? (It could have gotten lost in the surrounding text.) |
| 23:01.34 | krababbel | nounch: but what happens when a process has some file in use, and you switch the home dir off then. |
| 23:01.58 | nounch | dreamss: kale suggested that earlier. I am reading up on it now. |
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| 23:03.25 | nounch | krababbel: That, in fact, is a good point, but doesn't it just affect the process (which I do not assume is a fundamentally relevant one)? |
| 23:03.25 | dreamss | if u ls /mnt/2, it will show the contents of /mnt/1 |
| 23:03.30 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: Yes, line 6 or 7 could be the hub of your monitor. Does the output of 'lsusb' change if you plug something in? |
| 23:04.10 | krababbel | nounch: of course this depends on your enviroment, a full desktop might not like that. |
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| 23:04.56 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, I clicked the wrong thing. Hold on. |
| 23:05.19 | krababbel | nounch: I don't know how you'd do it easily, I guess root or something could prepare home while you are not logged in yet. |
| 23:05.29 | nounch | dreamss: So you mean `mount --bind /mnt/sb1/backup/home/username/ /home/username/' should work? What if there are conflicting files in `/home/username/' already? Will all files in `/home/username/' be shadowed? |
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| 23:06.05 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, it looks like I may have wiggled the cables the right way since now it works. |
| 23:06.06 | petn-randall | nounch: There is no shadowing or union of the filesystems. |
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| 23:06.10 | tohuw | Beyond periphery conveniences and religious preferences, is there any compelling reason to use aptitude over apt-get for basic package management nowadays? |
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| 23:06.28 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: I see, good to hear. Make sure to fix them with tape ;) |
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| 23:06.34 | dreamss | it will simply act like it only has 1 file system |
| 23:06.36 | nounch | krababbel: Yeah, sure. I have root privileges and everything of course. It is no problem to log out, rename, mount, run `ln' (somehow), then log in again and enjoy the mounted home dir. |
| 23:06.37 | apollo | hi |
| 23:06.42 | abrotman | tohuw: problem resolution |
| 23:06.52 | abrotman | dpkg: tell tohuw about why aptitude |
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| 23:07.38 | apollo | i came from debian-es |
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| 23:07.43 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: hey, that's a damn good idea to just ban a whole hackerspace because somebody asked about apt-get in #debian |
| 23:07.46 | petn-randall | nounch: It's still quite a complicated setup. Do you plan on using that user profile on several machines, or what is your aim? |
| 23:07.51 | nounch | dreamss: My concern is: There might be a file `.foobar.conf' and in the mounted external disk and a file with the same name in the original `/home/username/'. Which one will be used? |
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| 23:08.30 | dreamss | it will use the files from the latest mount |
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| 23:08.56 | tohuw | thanks abrotman. That was an insightful factoid and blog. Much appreciated. |
| 23:09.15 | krababbel | dpkg: why aptitude |
| 23:09.16 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 23:09.20 | abrotman | krababbel: please msg the bot |
| 23:09.27 | krababbel | sorry abrotman |
| 23:09.36 | nounch | petn-randall: At the moment it is just a one-machine thing where I am not sure when exactly I will upgrade to a larger disk and potentially reinstall Debian, but mostly it is curiosity now, because, as far as I can see, Debian/Linux should be flexible enough to pull off such a stunt. |
| 23:09.36 | mun | abrotman: did you just ban the whole polish Foundation of Free and Open Source swoftware host? :P (FWIOO, google it) |
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| 23:10.24 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, I guess I didn't wiggle it good enough, only one of the two usb ports on my monitor is working. The other seems to be dead. |
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| 23:10.57 | nounch | petn-randall: Also, I have not merged all the `.bashrc'/readline/editor/... config files on the external HDD into a neatly organized config file repository. |
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| 23:11.33 | nounch | petn-randall: *not merged...yet. |
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| 23:11.49 | apollo | is it normal that kde uses 1GB of ram on the init? |
| 23:11.53 | dreamss | mkdir ~/test;echo lol1>~/test/1;mkdir ~/test2;echo lol2>~/test/1;mount --bind ~/test ~/test2;cat ~/test2/1;umount ~/test |
| 23:12.00 | abrotman | apollo: it's not unreasonable .. |
| 23:12.03 | dreamss | should show lol1 |
| 23:13.33 | apollo | so,i don't know which process are using this ram |
| 23:13.39 | antoszka | abrotman: you are pathetic. |
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| 23:13.54 | dreamss | i have a pl file that will tell u |
| 23:13.57 | apollo | i have kde 4.11.3 |
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| 23:14.04 | krababbel | apollo: you probably have to give it that much, or use some lighter desktop |
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| 23:14.30 | krababbel | apollo: wmii uses about 40MB, but it's not really a 'desktop'. |
| 23:14.43 | apollo | i have xfce too |
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| 23:14.49 | shawnbon206 | openbox |
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| 23:14.59 | shawnbon206 | ooopppeeennnbbbooxxx |
| 23:15.07 | shawnbon206 | do it |
| 23:15.10 | gjm | http://wklej.org/id/1259212/txt/ |
| 23:15.13 | gjm | neat |
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| 23:15.17 | zakarum | How come I can add rules to my rulespec and do "iptables -I INPUT -j myrules", but when I want to do it as soon as possible and apply to forwarded packets too and try "iptables -I PREROUTING -t mangle -j myrules", iptables complains about not being able to load myrules (no such file or directory)? I am confused by this. |
| 23:15.22 | Sia- | hi |
| 23:15.35 | apollo | it's not normal,i remember that kde uses 400MB but not 1 GB |
| 23:15.36 | gjm | aboman: you're very polite |
| 23:15.48 | dreamss | https://raw.github.com/pixelb/ps_mem/master/ps_mem.py |
| 23:15.51 | gjm | abrotman: ↑ |
| 23:15.57 | abrotman | gjm: Yes, and? |
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| 23:16.06 | abrotman | gjm: do you need help with Debian? |
| 23:16.22 | gjm | No, but I think you need help with yourself. |
| 23:16.29 | abrotman | gjm: Thank you. have a good day |
| 23:16.36 | gjm | You too. |
| 23:17.08 | nounch | dreamss: You are completely right. `mount --bind /source /target' actually shadows any conflicting files in `/target'. That kind of behavior is exactly what is needed for mounting the external HDD to the actual home. So renaming the original home dir is not necessary at all. I'm still wondering, though, whether programs will recognize mounted dotfiles as actual dotfiles. |
| 23:17.21 | nounch | kale: Thanks for pointing out `mount --bind'! |
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| 23:17.55 | dreamss | u mount dirs |
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| 23:18.14 | dreamss | and linux(unix) sees it as the native fs |
| 23:18.15 | krababbel | nounch: I think bind "replaces" the dir |
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| 23:18.25 | dreamss | yeah |
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| 23:19.18 | Sia- | i can susend with cli or with gnome3, but if i close idle latop stil working and doesn't suspend. any idea? |
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| 23:19.32 | nounch | dreamss: Sure, but in the dirs there are files and the files in the top level directory end up being displayed as files in the target directory itself. And there are dotfiles/configs in there. |
| 23:19.54 | nounch | krababbel: Yes, testing it manually does confirm that. |
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| 23:20.43 | krababbel | nounch: as far as I understand, the first home "disappears" after bind mounting another dir to it. Also all contents of the first home are "gone" with it. |
| 23:20.53 | nounch | So it all boils down to mounting a dir somewhere deeply nested on the external disk with the user home as the mount target. |
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| 23:21.20 | nounch | krababbel: They are not `gone', they are shadowed. |
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| 23:22.56 | nounch | (Side note: Mounting to `.' using `--bind' will not let you `ls' the new dir content unless you jump somewhere else and back again.) |
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| 23:23.04 | Voldenet | hello |
| 23:23.07 | nounch | s/jump/cd/ |
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| 23:23.11 | Voldenet | i heard you bannin' some poles |
| 23:23.13 | dreamss | thats a shell var error |
| 23:23.14 | Voldenet | can I have a ban too |
| 23:23.15 | dreamss | lol |
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| 23:23.24 | Voldenet | abrotman: pls |
| 23:23.25 | abrotman | Voldenet: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 23:23.34 | Voldenet | Nope, I'm not using it |
| 23:23.38 | Voldenet | ubuntu's better |
| 23:23.44 | abrotman | Okay, have a good day. |
| 23:23.46 | Voldenet | 3... 2... |
| 23:23.49 | Sia- | no one her? |
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| 23:23.59 | nounch | OK, any more concerns about the setup (). |
| 23:24.03 | nounch | ? |
| 23:24.03 | zakarum | How come I can add rules to my rulespec and do "iptables -I INPUT -j myrules", but when I want to do it as soon as possible and apply to forwarded packets too and try "iptables -I PREROUTING -t mangle -j myrules", iptables complains about not being able to load myrules (no such file or directory)? I am confused by this. |
| 23:24.09 | apollo | how can we use the ppa repository system? |
| 23:24.22 | dreamss | im sure here to get me one of those sweet @debian signed emails to get all games from steam for free :p |
| 23:24.25 | petn-randall | Sia-: I think you can configure it in 'power management' in the configuration. |
| 23:24.34 | sbma44 | hi folks. I'm trying to set up a raspberry pi to ring a chime whenever a bus is N seconds away from a stop outside my house. using some python to check nextbus.com and then launch subprocesses that run aplay or mpg321 for this and it works just fine from the command line. But I'm having trouble getting it to run as a system service. I have an init script maker that has worked fine for me in a number of other contexts, but here it seems t |
| 23:24.34 | sbma44 | start the process (without errors) but doesn't play any sound. This also holds when I launch the script using start-stop-daemon from the command line (including if I run it as root). |
| 23:24.37 | abrotman | apollo: Debian doesn't have PPAs, those packages are likely made for Ubuntu, not Debian. |
| 23:24.47 | petn-randall | apollo: ppa is ubuntu specific. |
| 23:24.48 | sbma44 | any ideas why this might be or what I need to do? |
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| 23:25.08 | nounch | Well, thanks for pointing out `--bind'! |
| 23:25.18 | apollo | abrotman i know it but if we can use it,i sure that should be a way of use it!!! |
| 23:25.29 | abrotman | apollo: which package or PPA? |
| 23:25.31 | dreamss | --bind ftw |
| 23:25.36 | bolt | apollo: you don't want to use it |
| 23:25.52 | apollo | i wanna use it!Why not? |
| 23:25.55 | dreamss | i mock ln and avoid it |
| 23:26.05 | abrotman | or ignore my questoin .. |
| 23:26.35 | dreamss | abrotman dont feel bad everyones question gets ignored the same |
| 23:26.36 | Sia- | petn-randall, i did, but doesn't work. i see in google 10 bug report, haven't seen any correct answer. |
| 23:26.50 | nounch | dreamss: `ln' is still useful for single files like symlinks pointing so somewhere executables etc. |
| 23:27.02 | petn-randall | sbma44: You'd have to show the actual problem explicitely. But if it runs fine in your shell, you could just run it in 'screen'. |
| 23:27.09 | dreamss | alias |
| 23:27.11 | dreamss | sucka |
| 23:27.21 | kale | what about this whole sudo fetish there is in ubuntu, has this come to debian too? |
| 23:27.21 | nounch | dreamss: No. Plain no. |
| 23:27.35 | sbma44 | petn-randall: I suppose part of the problem is that I don't have any error logs to show. But I'll pastebin the init script and python, one moment. |
| 23:27.46 | nounch | dreamss: I'm "alias-guilty", though, myself. |
| 23:28.02 | petn-randall | kale: If you don't setup a root password in the installer, you get sudo rights. So you can decide yourself. |
| 23:28.23 | kale | petn-randall: great |
| 23:28.47 | dreamss | i had so much fun adding totp to myserver |
| 23:29.02 | dreamss | even su/sudo asks for the totp >_< |
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| 23:30.22 | saivert | what does sudo fetish mean? |
| 23:30.40 | phogg | saivert: some people like sudo... perhaps a little too much. |
| 23:30.46 | dreamss | some ppl prefer to irc as root@ i guess |
| 23:30.51 | saivert | In wheezy, sudo was not even installed by default. I had to apt-get install it |
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| 23:31.15 | phogg | saivert: good |
| 23:31.45 | dreamss | one useful use for sudo; df |
| 23:32.05 | dreamss | some of my mounts dont show up to normal users |
| 23:32.14 | saivert | hmm ok |
| 23:32.16 | petn-randall | saivert: Ubuntu extensively makes use of sudo. By default root isn't an active account. Which some people might call 'sudo fetish'. |
| 23:32.45 | saivert | petn-randall: they say that is added security. I personally don't care |
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| 23:33.15 | nkuttler | saivert: sudo can increase or decrease security.. depending on how you use it |
| 23:33.18 | saivert | sudo has one use for me and that is for the occational root command. otherwise I just run su to become root |
| 23:33.21 | petn-randall | saivert: It's stop inexperienced users from using root everywhere, so I guess it does. |
| 23:33.34 | saivert | because su -c '' sucks |
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| 23:34.05 | dreamss | if ur admin login in ur server does not ask for 3 passwords, 2 crypto keys and 4 one time passwords u aint secure |
| 23:34.53 | dreamss | backways i forget what had a root exploit if u configured/make the progrem as root |
| 23:34.59 | saivert | I also used to have a readline macro (in .inputrc) for Alt-S that wraps your command line in su -c '...' in case you forgot it. |
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| 23:35.21 | dreamss | generaly only want root perms when u actually doing admin stuf |
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| 23:36.04 | dreamss | sudo/su also does not mix well with screen |
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| 23:36.30 | nkuttler | dreamss: how so? |
| 23:36.35 | dreamss | root@whatever: sudo -u mynormaluser screen |
| 23:36.38 | dreamss | wont work |
| 23:36.53 | dreamss | u gotta screen su -l mynormaluser |
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| 23:38.28 | kale | is there a i7 arch for debian, or is it just amd64 |
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| 23:39.02 | ctmjr | kale: amd64 |
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| 23:39.20 | saivert | think you mean i686 or amd64. and the kernel does have optimizatons for recent CPUs |
| 23:39.39 | dreamss | aint it x86_64? |
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| 23:39.45 | dreamss | or thats just rh/centos |
| 23:39.48 | SavageDK | yeah i think he means that too, or I missed something completely the last few years playing with linuc |
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| 23:40.01 | saivert | then it is up to developers to use whatever instruction set additions that i7 offers |
| 23:40.46 | saivert | dreamss: yes. that is the vendor agnostic term |
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| 23:41.00 | saivert | but I still see amd64 used here and there |
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| 23:41.22 | saivert | I prefer amd64. No need to type out that pesky underscore |
| 23:41.23 | trampel | for trivia-sake i'm typing this on an i5 with amd64 (and everything is fine and dandy) |
| 23:41.50 | saivert | why couldn't they call it x86-64 instead. underscores are bad m'kay |
| 23:42.28 | saivert | but I digress |
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| 23:44.10 | centrx | Underscores is a standard naming scheme... |
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| 23:44.29 | centrx | dashes have a different meaning on the command line, and in programming languages |
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| 23:44.36 | dreamss | pleasing to the eye |
| 23:44.57 | saivert | This_is_not_pleasing_to_the_eye |
| 23:45.17 | centrx | saivert, Maybe they should uses spaces |
| 23:45.28 | dreamss | it-is-vs-this |
| 23:45.31 | dreamss | tho |
| 23:45.31 | saivert | this\ is\ funny\ ! |
| 23:46.25 | dreamss | underscores = filesystem friendly way to replace spaces |
| 23:46.35 | dreamss | dashes = versioning |
| 23:47.16 | zakarum | How come I can add rules to my rulespec and do "iptables -I INPUT -j myrules", but when I want to do it as soon as possible and apply to forwarded packets too and try "iptables -I PREROUTING -t mangle -j myrules", iptables complains about not being able to load myrules (no such file or directory)? I am confused by this. |
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| 23:48.02 | SavageDK | zakarum: did you remember to turn on the power switch? |
| 23:48.10 | SavageDK | that would be microsoft supports first question :p |
| 23:48.18 | dreamss | or twc |
| 23:48.24 | sbma44 | petn-randall: thanks for the response, as I was pastebinning I realized my problem was failing to specify explicit paths in a couple of places. did so and all is well. |
| 23:48.40 | dreamss | i would suggest an iptables dedicated channel like #iptables |
| 23:48.44 | Lady_Aleena | snuggles her underscore. |
| 23:48.51 | dreamss | ewww |
| 23:48.53 | dreamss | get a room |
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| 23:49.00 | Lady_Aleena | It's alright little underscore, I won't let them touch you. |
| 23:49.05 | dreamss | UNDERCORE U WHORE |
| 23:49.11 | dreamss | I TOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE |
| 23:49.14 | t4c | abrotman: mmh still banning complete hackspaces hum? |
| 23:49.30 | abrotman | t4c: Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 23:49.41 | t4c | help, no. |
| 23:49.44 | t4c | just idling |
| 23:49.50 | abrotman | That's done quietly .. |
| 23:49.56 | t4c | sometimes. |
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| 23:51.13 | tohuw | how can I list the packages a metapackage will install without installing it? |
| 23:51.14 | babilen | Lady_Aleena, dreamss: Seriously, drop it. There is no need whatsoever for language like that. |
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| 23:51.24 | zakarum | SavageDK: i think my computer is on, yes |
| 23:51.31 | dreamss | srsly take the joke gezz |
| 23:51.31 | t4c | abrotman: no answer to my question? |
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| 23:51.42 | abrotman | t4c: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 23:51.52 | dreamss | everyone must serious face |
| 23:51.57 | t4c | I don't answer the same question twice |
| 23:51.58 | dreamss | And be proper |
| 23:52.00 | dreamss | ... |
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| 23:52.01 | pidpawel | oh hai. i heard you have some of those fancy expirable bans left. can i have one? |
| 23:52.28 | ashka | wanted to come make some jokes about the power abuse but everyone's already on it, I hope I can still get banned |
| 23:52.43 | t4c | hrhr |
| 23:52.43 | dreamss | last time i idled quietly, i picked up +2 earings and had to fight an orc |
| 23:52.45 | babilen | pidpawel: Seriosuly, just drop it and move on. Same for you ashka |
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| 23:53.10 | trampel | (wtf is going on here? ...this seems strange even for here) |
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| 23:53.47 | tohuw | how can I list the packages a metapackage will install without installing it? |
| 23:54.03 | abrotman | tohuw: aptitude has a -s or --dry-run I believe |
| 23:54.06 | t4c | tohuw: here you won't get answers, just b's and q's :D |
| 23:54.20 | abrotman | t4c: Please drop it. |
| 23:54.26 | t4c | drop my Q? |
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| 23:54.45 | t4c | Thanks :) |
| 23:54.56 | abrotman | that was on a timer .. you had nothing to do with it |
| 23:54.56 | tohuw | abrotman: ah, didn't think to dry run for some reason. Thanks. |
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| 23:55.17 | abrotman | hopes the kid in the hackerspace got a stern talking-to about being offtopic |
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| 23:55.34 | t4c | hopes someone will notice your idotic behavior. |
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| 23:56.21 | nuklearerwinter | haha you should know better. |
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| 23:57.56 | jacekowski | rotfl |
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| 23:59.02 | jacekowski | abrotman: PMS? |
| 23:59.15 | abrotman | jacekowski: Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 23:59.49 | jacekowski | is that a tricky question? |
| 23:59.53 | pidpawel | rather with #debian. |
| 23:59.53 | Hodenbrot | hi there |
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