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| 00:00.43 | martinalex | hello, |
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| 00:01.21 | jacekowski | i've got a raspbian question, but i'm afraid to ask it |
| 00:01.33 | abrotman | jacekowski: please use #raspbian. |
| 00:01.55 | martinalex | i have a problem with my freeradius server, i updated from squeeze to wheezy and now all login attempts get an access reject message |
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| 00:02.05 | abrotman | jacekowski: We only support Debian here, not derivatives. Raspbian is supported in #raspbian. |
| 00:02.27 | jacekowski | abrotman: isn't raspbian ARM version of debian |
| 00:02.38 | petn-randall | martinalex: Have you checked the release notes for any problems regarding freeradius? |
| 00:02.42 | abrotman | jacekowski: it's a separate distribution with its own support channel. |
| 00:02.42 | martinalex | any ideas which could cause this? i did not overwrite any of the config files i had edited |
| 00:02.57 | abrotman | jacekowski: Debian has an ARM release, Raspbian isn't it |
| 00:03.27 | jacekowski | martinalex: overwritten config files come to mind |
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| 00:03.44 | pidpawel | where can i ask a general question about apt-get? |
| 00:03.47 | jacekowski | martinalex: i would double check if files are still there |
| 00:03.51 | abrotman | pidpawel: ask the channel for your distro |
| 00:03.58 | martinalex | jacekowski: actually i did... |
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| 00:04.16 | jacekowski | martinalex: hmmm, anything in logs? |
| 00:04.19 | martinalex | petn-randall: i did suppose that a stable release is just stable... |
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| 00:04.22 | nkuttler | martinalex: also check the release notes, and /usr/share/doc/<package> for news |
| 00:04.28 | pidpawel | i dont think that gentoo people will know a lot about apt-get |
| 00:04.52 | abrotman | pidpawel: We don't know anything about Gentoo. Perhaps try ##linux |
| 00:05.06 | jacekowski | UBUNTU FTW!!!!! |
| 00:05.09 | jacekowski | sorry |
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| 00:05.17 | jacekowski | i couldn't resist |
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| 00:06.15 | centrx | pidpawel, I would not see a problem with asking a question about apt-get, if it s a question about Debian. At the moment, there is some other activity going on... |
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| 00:06.37 | abrotman | centrx: No, this isn't a general apt channel. And pidpawel is clearly trolling |
| 00:06.39 | martinalex | nkuttler: nothing specific in there, at least no big open update bugs i have found |
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| 00:07.16 | nkuttler | martinalex: well, i'm afraid then it's back to good old debugging |
| 00:07.25 | wood_quinn_ | Anyone else have like 10 packets/sec going through their machine that don't show up in iptraf -i all? |
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| 00:07.44 | petn-randall | martinalex: stable is stable, but if you have to take action, e.g. update configuration files, this is usually documented in the release notes (yes, I encourage you to read them :) |
| 00:07.47 | martinalex | nkuttler: seems bad, but i dont have much of a choice... |
| 00:07.47 | zakarum | How come I can add rules to my rulespec and do "iptables -I INPUT -j myrules", but when I want to do it as soon as possible and apply to forwarded packets too and try "iptables -I PREROUTING -t mangle -j myrules", iptables complains about not being able to load myrules (no such file or directory)? I am confused by this. |
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| 00:08.00 | wood_quinn_ | Anyone else have like 10 packets/sec going through their machine that don't show up in iptraf -i all? |
| 00:08.12 | wood_quinn_ | Er -d all |
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| 00:08.33 | wood_quinn_ | Nope. -i was right. |
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| 00:08.36 | centrx | wood_quinn_, Hold your horses |
| 00:09.15 | centrx | wood_quinn_, iptraf is quite an old program so I would not be surprised if it is missing something |
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| 00:09.44 | wood_quinn_ | I thought it was an errant ping or something, but I don't have anything running. |
| 00:09.52 | abrotman | your router? dhcp packets? |
| 00:10.08 | abrotman | Do you have the source, etc? |
| 00:10.12 | wood_quinn_ | Nope. |
| 00:10.27 | wood_quinn_ | I can just see that they're there in the bottom pane of iptraf, but they aren't showing up anywhere else. |
| 00:10.35 | ar | wood_quinn_: ipv6 router advertisements? |
| 00:10.38 | zakarum | Have I misunderstood something when I try to add a rule specification to the prerouting table of mangle in iptables? |
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| 00:10.48 | wood_quinn_ | Hmm... Possible but this network isn't IPv6 aware. |
| 00:10.53 | marioxcc__ | hi |
| 00:11.02 | petn-randall | wood_quinn_: You can use tcpdump/tshark to dump and check the traffic. |
| 00:11.13 | marioxcc__ | I just uninstalled some packages with synaptic and want to undo it (that was the last operation performed on packages), how is that possible? |
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| 00:11.55 | abrotman | marioxcc__: I don't think that feature exists |
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| 00:12.23 | ctmjr | marioxcc__: you cannot undo it you can reinstall them |
| 00:13.15 | wood_quinn_ | I'm not seeing any traffic. |
| 00:13.19 | wood_quinn_ | Odd. |
| 00:13.37 | marioxcc__ | ctmjr: how can I reinstall that |
| 00:13.40 | wood_quinn_ | marioxcc__: The packages may still be in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 00:13.45 | ar | wood_quinn_: connect another machine between it and the internet and do tcpdump from there? |
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| 00:14.08 | marioxcc__ | wood_quinn_: the problem is not the packages themselves, but rather I need to know which packages I uninstalled in order to reinstall them |
| 00:14.32 | wood_quinn_ | If you don't know that information, you may just be in a world of hurt. |
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| 00:15.02 | indes | dpkg -l | grep rc ( ? ) |
| 00:15.02 | dpkg | ii | grep rc ( ? ) 2.1-3 indes's private stamp collection |
| 00:15.04 | indes | unless you purged. |
| 00:15.11 | centrx | marioxcc__, You could try comparing dpkg status with status-old |
| 00:15.17 | indes | no problem dpkg. thank you |
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| 00:15.33 | marioxcc__ | centrx: please elaborate, I'm not at all experienced with dpkg usage |
| 00:15.49 | centrx | marioxcc__, There are several files in /var/lib/dpkg that store package information |
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| 00:16.26 | centrx | marioxcc__, There are also "old" versions of those files, which have the previous version (Only one old version, so don't do anything else with dpkg until you back them up |
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| 00:16.35 | [sr] | hi |
| 00:16.45 | centrx | marioxcc__, The files you probably want are /var/lib/dpkg/status and /var/lib/dpkg/status-old |
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| 00:16.52 | marioxcc__ | centrx: ok, thanks |
| 00:17.02 | [sr] | in cron scripts, to not have the output be sent by email, i set MAILTO="", but it keeps sending, is there another way? |
| 00:17.18 | [sr] | at least the manual says that, but it's not working |
| 00:17.19 | marioxcc__ | centrx: but specifically, how may I know which packages I just uninstalled in order to reinstall them? |
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| 00:17.43 | petn-randall | [sr]: the MAILTO line only takes effect on everything below in the current file, not other cron files. |
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| 00:17.59 | centrx | marioxcc__, Try diff -u status-old status |
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| 00:18.11 | nkuttler | [sr]: you may also want to use a tool like chronic |
| 00:18.15 | galex-713 | abrotman: since the provocation is in the nick in this case, why not ban just the nick so s·he can return if s·he change nick? |
| 00:18.46 | centrx | marioxcc__, The idea is to find which packages are listed as "installed" in status-old that are no longer installed/present in status |
| 00:18.50 | abrotman | galex-713: It wasn't about the nick .. |
| 00:19.00 | galex-713 | Ah? Sorry, I misunderstood |
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| 00:19.29 | galex-713 | I think I missed something about UbuntuUser |
| 00:19.33 | centrx | abrotman, Might be helpful to have clearer kick messages :) |
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| 00:19.51 | abrotman | centrx: it's an irssi script, that's the default. |
| 00:20.19 | abrotman | (and the person knew they were already banned) |
| 00:20.24 | [sr] | petn-randall: im setting it only on a specific file, and it's in the beguinning |
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| 00:20.56 | petn-randall | [sr]: And it doesn't take effect in the cron jobs in that file? |
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| 00:21.31 | nkuttler | [sr]: paste.debian.et your crontab |
| 00:21.44 | [sr] | petn-randall: no, and have no idea why!! |
| 00:22.51 | JoeE | I think I may have found a bug in wheezy (or maybe it's just bash?): with your shell set to /bin/bash, type "sudo \rm -Rf a<tab>" and you will get flooded with "-bash: compopt: -o: option requires an argument" and "compopt: usage: compopt [-o|+o option] [-DE] [name ...]". It only happened in wheezy after a fresh install, not squeeze. Can someone else running wheezy confirm this? |
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| 00:23.26 | centrx | Sounds like a scam... |
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| 00:24.20 | JoeE | centrx: was that in response to me? |
| 00:24.30 | ChibaPet | !ops JoeE scamming |
| 00:24.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: chibapet complains about: JoeE scamming |
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| 00:25.18 | JoeE | Sorry, but I don't get it? |
| 00:25.20 | [sr] | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/pm14CBSu |
| 00:25.40 | centrx | There is no reason to run a test running "rm -rf". If it were a real bug, there would be a different use case |
| 00:26.06 | JoeE | agh, gotcha. rm -Rf was the command I was attempting to run and discovered it in |
| 00:26.11 | petn-randall | JoeE: I can't reproduce your problem. Do you always get that with tab completion of files? e.g. 'ls a<tab>'? |
| 00:26.14 | nkuttler | [sr]: um, for starters... use crontab -e.. that's not a valid crontab file |
| 00:26.32 | nkuttler | [sr]: and if that's a script you call, setting MAILTO there doesn't matter |
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| 00:27.06 | [sr] | nkuttler: this is a script file placed in /etc/cron.hourly |
| 00:27.17 | nkuttler | cd /etc/ |
| 00:27.26 | JoeE | "sudo \ls -l<tab>" does it as well. If I omit the "\" from the command, it does not do it. FYI I'm on a 64 bit install |
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| 00:28.22 | nkuttler | [sr]: ok. i'm not aware how those scripts are called, but man 5 crontab certainly doesn't apply to scripts, does it? |
| 00:28.23 | JoeE | I realize I don't need to use "\" before the command, but sometimes users will have an alias defined (e.g., for rm which simply moves the file to ~/.trash or something instead of actually removing it) |
| 00:28.42 | marioxcc__ | centrx: ok, I just reinstalled them, thanks |
| 00:29.19 | abrotman | JoeE: seems like a bash-completion bug, might be in the BTS alrady |
| 00:29.35 | [sr] | nkuttler: ah wait, i think its MAIL="" instead of MAILTO="" |
| 00:29.43 | nkuttler | [sr]: and if you check packaged scripts they all redirect their output |
| 00:29.44 | [sr] | thats what is in /etc/crontab |
| 00:30.17 | JoeE | I have another server with a similar setup. I'll try it on it and see if it does the same. Maybe it's a config issue (or perhaps a corrupted binary?) |
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| 00:31.00 | JoeE | yep, happens on that one as well. Both were installed using the multi arch wheezy install |
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| 00:31.29 | [sr] | nkuttler: guess i solved it, MAIL instead of MAILTO :) |
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| 00:43.37 | Tramp | AsumFace: apt-cache show <packagename> gives you a description of the package |
| 00:44.02 | q3k | AsumFace: basically, different implementations of the same idea for a program |
| 00:44.12 | q3k | AsumFace: pick the one you feel the most comfortable with |
| 00:44.33 | q3k | AsumFace: (oh, and netcat6 is a version for IPv6) |
| 00:44.50 | AsumFace | ok |
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| 00:53.23 | martinalex | i found the apparent reason for my freeradius problem - the include directive seems to be ignored in the users file |
| 00:53.54 | martinalex | but the only information about this is an email conversation where someone gets assured that it is really working... |
| 00:54.31 | martinalex | i did give it a try and inserted some syntactically incorrect stuff in the included and in the original users file |
| 00:54.50 | martinalex | the server starts with an incorrect included file, but not with an incorrect users file |
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| 00:54.55 | martinalex | any indeas? |
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| 01:05.50 | martinalex | if someone is interested - i needed to add the full path and now it seems to work... |
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| 01:15.35 | _FBi | please update ZNC Stable |
| 01:16.10 | bolt | ? |
| 01:16.20 | themill | _FBi: wheezy doesn't change. If you want a newer znc then you could recompile the sid package; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 01:16.46 | _FBi | y u no change wheezy |
| 01:16.55 | themill | Because it's stable. |
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| 01:17.30 | _FBi | one does not simply, declare packages stable? |
| 01:17.40 | bolt | indeed |
| 01:18.31 | _FBi | What if I told you... ZNC was stable |
| 01:18.53 | abrotman | That's still not how it works .. |
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| 01:19.15 | bolt | someone has been reading 9gag too much |
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| 01:20.12 | _FBi | ZNC very connect, extreme stable, wow |
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| 01:25.51 | mrdeb | hi |
| 01:25.55 | mrdeb | when is debian 8 out |
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| 01:26.12 | abrotman | mrdeb: Not for quite some time, Jessie hasn't even frozen yet |
| 01:26.19 | mrdeb | ok |
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| 01:26.43 | mrdeb | also is iceweasel gettingupgraded to 24.2 esr |
| 01:26.47 | mrdeb | from 17 |
| 01:27.05 | phy1729 | Will they choose a new init/ settle the issue before 8? |
| 01:27.16 | petn-randall | phy1729: Very likely, yes. |
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| 01:27.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mrdeb about mdn |
| 01:28.04 | mrdeb | its not 10 abrotman |
| 01:28.22 | mrdeb | deiban has 17 now which is ff esr, but 24 esr is newest, so it would make sense for that to be in debian now |
| 01:28.34 | mrdeb | is it there or not |
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| 01:29.39 | mrdeb | hmm ok so it is in testing |
| 01:29.42 | mrdeb | that makes no sense |
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| 01:30.21 | Guest69844 | aptitude some some packages were broken have been fixed |
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| 01:32.34 | Guest69844 | aptitude has packages being removed because they are no longer used |
| 01:33.01 | Guest69844 | So how to get aptitude to remove them? |
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| 01:34.49 | abrotman | Guest69844: a pastebin would help, we can't see all of the errors |
| 01:35.07 | Guest69844 | I opened aptitude from the command line |
| 01:35.17 | mrdeb | is it ok to use apt only |
| 01:35.23 | Guest69844 | And then hit g |
| 01:36.06 | Guest69844 | I am doing dist-upgrade and it was suggested in manual, but I have no idea how to use aptitude. |
| 01:37.31 | Guest69844 | I just hit g again and it is doing a whole bunch of stuff. |
| 01:37.40 | Guest69844 | I think this was probably a good idea. |
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| 01:38.25 | shawnbon206 | woohoo |
| 01:38.38 | shawnbon206 | just burned all 6 debian live cds |
| 01:38.46 | shawnbon206 | whats the standard one for? |
| 01:39.05 | Guest69844 | What is the stable version of Debian? |
| 01:39.25 | nkuttler | Guest69844: wheezy |
| 01:39.35 | nkuttler | shawnbon206: what do you mean? |
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| 02:01.55 | Guest69844 | So I change sources.list to wheezy, apt-get upgrade then dist-upgrade? |
| 02:02.25 | vimel | apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 02:10.41 | icesword | bazhang helno |
| 02:10.58 | atomi | ? |
| 02:11.15 | icesword | what is -bbbb? |
| 02:12.38 | Guest69844 | DIfferent sites say different things. |
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| 02:27.16 | mdim | if I am to get Debian stickers for a laptop, where should I order them so that a portion of the money goes to Debian/SPI? |
| 02:27.52 | centrx | mdim, Possibly one of these: http://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise |
| 02:29.25 | mdim | centrx: thx! |
| 02:29.35 | Hraka | Greetings. |
| 02:30.55 | Hraka | I have a USB-to-2.5 mm jack link cable with an unknown chip inside that I would like to behave as a serial link cable, is that likely to be do-able, and if so how? |
| 02:31.57 | Hraka | The cable is from http://education.ti.com/en/us/products/computer_software/connectivity-software/ti-connectivity-kit/features/features-summary . |
| 02:32.46 | ar | Hraka: what shows up in dmesg and lsusb when you connect it? |
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| 02:33.30 | ar | Hraka: also, there's a chance it works already. see if a /dev/ttyUSB* appears when you connect it |
| 02:34.02 | ar | Hraka: also, for something to behave as a serial link cable, that thing has to have at least 4 wires (1 pair for tx and 1 pair for rx) |
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| 02:35.04 | Hraka | ar: http://pastebay.net/1393058 |
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| 02:35.25 | Hraka | ar: I do not see a ttyUSB, which is why I ask. |
| 02:37.26 | Hraka | The cable I tried to use before has 3 wires (GND/RDX/TDX), but I cobbled that together from a breadboard, a PL2303 and a soldered jack, and that seems to have some loss (I think). |
| 02:38.07 | Brigo | Hraka: search for "TI-GRAPH LINK USB" this cable is for connect a calculator. |
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| 02:38.33 | Hraka | Brigo: I know. |
| 02:38.39 | wondiws | hi, I installed both w3c validator and wdg validator on my debian sid system, but I can't access neither from localhost |
| 02:39.02 | ar | Hraka: apparently there is something called "ticables" that talks to things this way. but there doesn't appear to be a kernel driver for using it as a ttyusb device |
| 02:39.05 | petn-randall | wondiws: jessie/sid are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 02:39.27 | wondiws | ah ok |
| 02:39.51 | Hraka | ar: darn. |
| 02:40.01 | wondiws | but I'm not sure my problem is specific to sid though |
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| 02:41.24 | wondiws | but I must say, offline HTML validation is a lot more difficult that it should be |
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| 03:14.02 | blastwave | hello . I had an old Sparc box laying about and am trying to netboot the Debian install process. Running into trouble. I have tftp serving the boot image which seems to be a basic kernel and yet a root fs isn't found. Anything obvious missing? see http://pastebin.com/VqmKAGM4 |
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| 03:18.30 | aum | i just installed debian testing, how do i configure the panels in gnome? there's nothing in the control panel for it, and right-click on the panel does nothing |
| 03:18.40 | aum | i want to add applets |
| 03:18.51 | abrotman | The panels? |
| 03:19.06 | aum | yes - the top panel |
| 03:19.11 | abrotman | blastwave: I think there's a small #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:19.19 | blastwave | nods |
| 03:19.26 | abrotman | aum: What do you want to configure about it? |
| 03:19.30 | blastwave | abrotman, I was waiting for that :-\ |
| 03:19.32 | aum | I want to add applets |
| 03:19.42 | abrotman | blastwave: I don't think your problem is SPARC specific though |
| 03:20.01 | abrotman | aum: I think that's usually done via epiphany and extensnions? |
| 03:20.10 | blastwave | abrotman, no .. I agree ... it is just kernel command options to specify the nfs server and root and initrd etc etc |
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| 03:20.44 | abrotman | blastwave: what if you type 'go' ? |
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| 03:21.26 | blastwave | abrotman, that would have no effect as the who process stops after "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,255)" |
| 03:21.28 | aum | so gnome3 is no longer configurable? |
| 03:21.44 | blastwave | abrotman, sorry, the whole process stops |
| 03:21.47 | abrotman | aum: it is, but you're being vague .. |
| 03:21.56 | abrotman | aum: I'm not sure what you mean by "applets" |
| 03:22.00 | blastwave | abrotman, looks like I am missing some kernel boot options here |
| 03:22.11 | abrotman | have you given it any at all? |
| 03:22.14 | aum | for example, system monitor applet, or application launch buttons |
| 03:22.25 | abrotman | notes the last time he used netboot was on a sparc box, 10 years ago |
| 03:22.29 | blastwave | abrotman, see full details at http://pastebin.com/VqmKAGM4 |
| 03:22.41 | abrotman | IPC IIRC |
| 03:23.09 | abrotman | aum: http://extensions.gnome.org/ in Epiphany .. many ways to customize |
| 03:23.13 | blastwave | abrotman, 10 years ago would be E450's and Sun Ultra 2's and things like that .. but yeah |
| 03:23.16 | aum | I used to right-click on the panels in gnome2, to change virtually anything about it - colours, themes, window decorations, add/remove applets - but with gnome3 everything seems to be locked down |
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| 03:23.36 | abrotman | blastwave: 10 years ago, but using "free" hardware .. might have been 15 years ago |
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| 03:23.44 | blastwave | aum, I think gnome 2 is long gone .. I think. I live within xfce these days so I am little help |
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| 03:24.15 | blastwave | abrotman, yeah .. in that case an itty bitty IPX .. or IPC .. yep .. cute littlethings with Weitek numeric co-processors |
| 03:24.32 | blastwave | abrotman, not much has changed :-) |
| 03:24.33 | abrotman | gave away his 1+ |
| 03:24.39 | abrotman | blastwave: right, just been a spuer long time |
| 03:24.40 | aum | I'm at extensions.gnome.org, but the browser says it "cannot detect a running copy of gnome on this system", but I *am* running gnome3 |
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| 03:24.47 | abrotman | aum: Epiphany |
| 03:25.17 | abrotman | blastwave: Are you supplying any optoins at boot time ? |
| 03:25.20 | aum | iceweasel no good? |
| 03:25.30 | abrotman | oh, i see, duh |
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| 03:25.42 | abrotman | aum: I've said Epiphany three times, probably a reason for that |
| 03:25.55 | aum | working ok through iceweasel - I was going through chrome |
| 03:26.06 | blastwave | abrotman, well I figured I would keep this little box going .. it is in a datacenter about 100 miles away so I managed to setup another server to serve nfs and tftp and that seems to get the ball rolling on an internal subnet .. so I have access to the serial console ( remotely of course ) and have been hacking at it |
| 03:26.26 | abrotman | blastwave: silly question .. I don't see your NIC coming up ? |
| 03:26.44 | blastwave | abrotman, well .. let me go look at that output again .. |
| 03:27.02 | blastwave | abrotman, hrmmmm .. has to be there .. I hope .. |
| 03:27.22 | abrotman | may have missed it |
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| 03:27.42 | blastwave | abrotman, NET: Registered protocol family 16 <-- this indicates something is working |
| 03:27.51 | abrotman | could be loopback |
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| 03:28.17 | superstraw | I'm dealing with weird logs that are in directories created on a per day basis: /var/log/2014/01/30/log.log, etc. Is there a way for logrotate to deal with that, or is it time to make a bash script for it? I'm leaning towards bash script but wanted to make sure before I propose this at work. |
| 03:28.40 | superstraw | I've already created the script :) |
| 03:28.56 | blastwave | abrotman, that would be a real show stopper .. however I just can't see Debian 7.3.0 not supporting basic nics in ten year old sparc gear |
| 03:29.33 | abrotman | blastwave: You'd think that, but I had to find new NICs for Alphas a few years ago because the de4x5 driver got really flaky |
| 03:29.57 | abrotman | granted, they were Alphas :) |
| 03:30.07 | blastwave | abrotman, you have an alpha ? cool ... I have one too .. have not powered it up in a while but .. I have a big old Apha server .. great CPU's in those |
| 03:30.15 | abrotman | I did, not anymore |
| 03:30.27 | abrotman | could probably get his hands on one if he really wanted to |
| 03:30.30 | blastwave | yeah .. museum pieces but .. I seem to collect those |
| 03:30.38 | abrotman | I gave away my Sun and SGI boxes |
| 03:30.54 | blastwave | sadly I am down to maybe a dozen cool servers |
| 03:31.00 | blastwave | a few RS6000's also |
| 03:31.13 | abrotman | Back then, it was about not having a different monitor for each one .. too much darn space :) |
| 03:31.29 | blastwave | hence the remote datacenter :-) |
| 03:31.38 | abrotman | These were in the closet ;) |
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| 03:32.08 | abrotman | blastwave: how many NICs does the box have? |
| 03:32.12 | blastwave | annnyways .. I think I have the essentials going here .. just need to sort out the mount of the root filesystem and hand over an initrd and some sort of way to get silo.conf read etc etc |
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| 03:32.20 | blastwave | two nics ... no .. three |
| 03:32.32 | abrotman | Wonder if they're coming up out of order? |
| 03:32.36 | blastwave | only one of them is plugged into a switch however |
| 03:32.45 | blastwave | good .. thinking .. could be |
| 03:33.07 | blastwave | I can specify the net device pci full path I think .. there are a million kernel parameters that can be passed |
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| 03:33.48 | aum | is it just me, or is gnome3 a broken meth-damaged Unity Desktop wanna-be? |
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| 03:34.05 | blastwave | abrotman, I have been reading the docs at https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 03:34.09 | abrotman | aum: It's just you |
| 03:34.18 | blastwave | as well as https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/nfs/nfsroot.txt |
| 03:34.37 | blastwave | is no fan of gnome 3 either |
| 03:34.47 | aum | I'm using epiphany, and am trying to enable extensions through extensions.gnome.org - nothing happens - this is a fresh install of testing |
| 03:35.05 | abrotman | aum: you may have to re-login .. been awhile since I installed a new plugin |
| 03:35.10 | blastwave | well really .. I spend more of my life using xterms so really .. xfce is plenty fine for me |
| 03:35.40 | blastwave | goes to look at how to specify a net device |
| 03:35.40 | abrotman | makes the same argument at work about OSX vs Windows |
| 03:36.12 | blastwave | abrotman, you know .. you are a seriously stable guy here on this chan and I know I have worked thorugh many a issu ewith you going back ten years ... |
| 03:36.30 | blastwave | sort of like me and solaris .. back when solaris was a thing |
| 03:36.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:36.41 | abrotman | I still love Solaris |
| 03:37.12 | blastwave | I have it running in production .. of course .. in banking and insurance it is still a big love of the grey haired suspenders and belt types .. like me |
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| 04:16.51 | blastwave | abrotman, it turns out I was serving out the wrong boot img to the Sparc box via tftp. Once I got the correct one I was able to get the network device detected correctly ( good ol Happy MEal hme ) and the installer begins |
| 04:16.58 | blastwave | abrotman, see http://pastebin.com/UQzmGRt5 |
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| 04:58.49 | Vasistha | if I use lvm commands (pvcreate, vgcreate, lvcreate) to create a volume, and then I want to close it (not erase the thing but just make it invisible) then... how to do that? |
| 05:00.04 | Vasistha | close it meaning... unmount, and remove the /dev entries, so if I want to I can create/revive the stuff again and find my data in the volume. I fear my vocabulary is lacking, hopefully it is clear what I want? |
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| 05:41.01 | Wulf | Hi |
| 05:41.15 | Wulf | How can I reset a config file to the default? |
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| 05:42.30 | themill | Wulf: that rather depends on the exact file in question |
| 05:42.35 | Wulf | themill: /etc/sudoers |
| 05:42.44 | themill | in which release of debian? |
| 05:42.51 | Wulf | squeeze |
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| 05:43.19 | Wulf | sorry, wheezy |
| 05:43.27 | Wulf | current stable. Always mixing up those two :/ |
| 05:43.46 | themill | sudoers is a conffile in wheezy (but wasn't in squeeze) so conffile handling is relevant here |
| 05:43.50 | themill | !confmiss |
| 05:43.51 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 05:45.02 | themill | Wulf: normally, deleting the file and then using confmiss is the simplest; in the case of sudoers, make sure you don't lose root privileges while doing so ;) |
| 05:45.30 | Wulf | themill: I don't worry about that, I prefer to login as root directly. |
| 05:45.48 | Wulf | sudo to root is kind of nonsense imo |
| 05:46.36 | themill | yes and no. logging of all commands can be nice. knowing which user did things in shared-root environments can be handy |
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| 05:49.01 | Wulf | themill: thanks, the command works |
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| 05:51.21 | Wulf | maybe I should try again to convice my boss to stop using this intermediary cloud provider and roll our own stuff. No scripts that make /etc/sudoers.d/ nonfunctional... |
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| 06:08.33 | Vasistha | I want to execute something as another user, with a controlling terminal. su -c does not work because there is no controlling terminal. And I cannot get setuid to work... no idea why setuid does not seem to work at all |
| 06:09.31 | Wulf | Vasistha: what is setuid? |
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| 06:10.26 | Vasistha | Wulf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid |
| 06:10.29 | Wulf | Vasistha: why do you need a controlling terminal? |
| 06:10.33 | Wulf | Vasistha: no links please. |
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| 06:10.45 | Wulf | Vasistha: are you talking about the POSIX C function? |
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| 06:11.30 | Vasistha | Wulf: I have a script, which I run as root, which scans my apt archives and creates a simple archive from it. I want it to be signed not be root, but as my normal user. So I want to do an su -c 'gpg ...' command, but gpg complains there's no tty |
| 06:12.15 | themill | Vasistha: why not change the ownership of the repository? |
| 06:12.15 | Wulf | Vasistha: gpg should be able to run without a controlling terminal. |
| 06:12.50 | Wulf | Vasistha: maybe you can trick gpg into thinking you're another user? USER=foo gpg maybe |
| 06:13.01 | Vasistha | themill: well... this is my /var/cache/apt directory, and I think any time I update, root is going to take ownership, isn't it? |
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| 06:13.38 | Vasistha | Wulf: it needs a terminal if a password prompt is needed |
| 06:14.14 | themill | Vasistha: hmm... why are you turning that into a repo? |
| 06:14.42 | Wulf | Vasistha: check the --passphrase* options |
| 06:14.52 | Vasistha | themill: why not? all the files are there. that way if I update another computer, I can point it to mine on the LAN without re-downloading everything |
| 06:15.15 | themill | Vasistha: a proper apt proxy would be a better option perhaps? something like apt-cacher-ng |
| 06:15.36 | Vasistha | themill: yeah but I want the other computers to be able to get their own if my computer isn't around |
| 06:16.09 | themill | well a static entry in sources.list pointing at that machine isn't going to help that either |
| 06:16.58 | Vasistha | I maintain my dad's and my brother's computers, and a couple others, and so if I have a pretty full repo on my own laptop, it makes updating theirs much quicker. I don't mind updating sources.list whenever I do the update. That takes me just a few seconds, especially with sources.list.d, whereas some repos (trinity) can be pretty slow |
| 06:17.26 | Vasistha | I've been doing this for years and it really works great. |
| 06:17.31 | themill | so a caching proxy would be fine and you just manually set http_proxy as needed |
| 06:17.41 | Vasistha | but when I updated from squeeze to wheezy, this one piece of the script broke that calls su -c gpg |
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| 06:19.02 | Vasistha | I looked into this all in quite a bit of detail several years ago when I went to all the trouble to write this script to create the repo. At that time a caching proxy was recommended, and I looked into it, and decided I liked this solution more. Maybe I made the wrong choice. But I really am not interested in investing hours of my time trying to create a new configuration |
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| 06:19.52 | Vasistha | if there is no solution then I will have to just take this step out of the script, and do it manually, which will take me a minute or whatever. But it would be nice to have this step built into the script which works great and hasn't needed maintenance in years. |
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| 06:25.56 | Vasistha | Wulf: thanks for the gpg-fooling suggestion, the following works great: ( env USER=david HOME=/home/david gpg -abs --yes -o Release.gpg Release ) |
| 06:26.07 | Vasistha | thanks for your advice too themill |
| 06:27.25 | themill | no worries -- good luck! |
| 06:27.57 | Wulf | Vasistha: you're welcome |
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| 07:20.48 | aphorise | How can I catch / restart a seg fault / crash on an executed ./exec ? like a conditional rewrite / maybe log to file. |
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| 07:29.00 | buu | aphorise: Use.. a loop? In what language? |
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| 07:30.53 | cheater__ | hi |
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| 07:32.23 | cheater__ | my debian server has been hacked and had some malware installed on it. in my experience it usually replaces things like bash, sh, ps with infected versions that restart the malware. i have rebooted the server into a recovery mode with a separate debian installation from the network. the original file system is mounted in /mnt/root. how can i use debsums to find the affected files? |
| 07:32.44 | cheater__ | it's most likely an automated hack, as it was later sending out spam. |
| 07:32.59 | cheater__ | the server itself didn't have much that was crucial on it. |
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| 07:33.02 | buu | cheater__: Uh, can you wipe the system? |
| 07:33.21 | cheater__ | i wouldn't like to just yet. i want to see what was changed. |
| 07:33.25 | buu | oh |
| 07:34.25 | wols | copy over a debsums binary and run it? |
| 07:34.35 | cheater__ | i've already imaged it, though. but i'll want to remove the malware provisionally so that i can start the server up again and set up another one. |
| 07:34.44 | cheater__ | the rescue system is a debian too |
| 07:34.49 | themill | debsums has a -r option but you'd have to decide that you trusted the sums on the machine |
| 07:35.09 | cheater__ | the sums on the machine will work, the question is if it'll have the same debian packages ? |
| 07:35.14 | cheater__ | i believe it should |
| 07:35.53 | cheater__ | is there a file on the FS which identifies architecture? |
| 07:35.55 | wols | if the attacker didn't change /var/lib/dpkg/info/*md5sums, it will be fine |
| 07:36.15 | cheater__ | nm, it has lib64 |
| 07:36.24 | cheater__ | wols, oh ok |
| 07:36.25 | wols | cheater__: you chroot to your attacked system before running debsums |
| 07:36.36 | cheater__ | wols, interesting |
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| 07:36.44 | themill | I wouldn't chroot in like that |
| 07:36.59 | wols | or you can use -d option of debsums |
| 07:37.10 | themill | yeah, that would be better |
| 07:37.11 | wols | and -r of course |
| 07:37.12 | cheater__ | the rescue system and the compromised system are both "Debian 7", and 64 bit. |
| 07:37.25 | wols | cheater__: read the -r and -d options of debsums |
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| 07:38.12 | ar | cheater__: you can't actually trust a system - especially its binaries - after it's been compromised |
| 07:38.27 | cheater__ | apparently -r makes -d redundant. |
| 07:38.41 | cheater__ | ar: yeah, that's why i'm using a trusted system's debsums. |
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| 07:39.34 | cheater__ | /mnt/root/usr/bin/ssh FAILED |
| 07:39.35 | cheater__ | /mnt/root/usr/sbin/sshd FAILED |
| 07:39.40 | cheater__ | oops |
| 07:39.58 | cheater__ | but that's the only one. |
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| 07:41.11 | cheater__ | i noticed the server was hacked when its fingerprint changed. will a hacked sshd necessarily have a bad fingerprint? |
| 07:41.56 | cheater__ | (does anyone know where sshd keeps its pub and priv keys?) |
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| 07:42.28 | ar | cheater__: /etc/ssh |
| 07:43.08 | ar | cheater__: the replaced binary probably has a different location for its files |
| 07:43.35 | cheater__ | i assume ssh_host_ecdsa_key and .pub are normally not present in a typical debian installation |
| 07:43.44 | cheater__ | apparently, it doesn't |
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| 07:44.14 | ar | cheater__: i'd look in system directories for files that are newer than… when was the last time you logged in onto it? |
| 07:44.15 | epsilon | it does |
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| 07:44.47 | cheater__ | ar, i wouldn't look at the dates. those are in my experience with this kind of attack always spoofed. |
| 07:44.51 | epsilon | what's the md5sum of ssh and sshd files? |
| 07:44.56 | cheater__ | they do forget to spoof the inode numbers though. |
| 07:45.43 | cheater__ | 1375b444d60225ee01831ac0db43a38f usr/bin/ssh |
| 07:45.43 | cheater__ | b20bd392f8e3f4bfe6c7e811485e30d9 usr/sbin/sshd |
| 07:46.29 | cheater__ | anyways, everything in /mnt/root/etc/ssh has inode numbers around 330-340, except those ecdsa ones which have 1185 and 1186. |
| 07:46.35 | epsilon | ok, the files are at least not from current stable |
| 07:47.47 | mdim | which tool should one use to put a Debian "hybrid" (live) ISO image onto a USB thumb drive? Would just dd-ing work? |
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| 07:48.16 | cheater__ | heh, usr/bin/ssh is 1020K. |
| 07:48.20 | cheater__ | nice static linking. |
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| 07:50.08 | cheater__ | debsums is concerned that it's missing files /mnt/root/boot/System.map-3.2.0-4-amd64, /mnt/root/boot/config-3.2.0-4-amd64 and /mnt/root/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64. should i be concerned? |
| 07:50.36 | cheater__ | ah yes, boot is likely not mounted. |
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| 07:57.58 | evdo | :newbie question, i am from 3rd world so bandwidth are still very expensive here, i am thinking of creating a local repository for personal use, just wondering how much bandwidth i will need to synchronize my local mirror every 24 hours or so. thank you |
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| 07:59.58 | wols | evdo: depends what you want to mirror |
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| 08:00.36 | wols | but no matter what, there is no fixed number. you might want to look into a apt proxy instead, not a real repo |
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| 08:01.00 | centrx | evdo, If you are just mirroring the stable distribution with security updates, it would be minimal. |
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| 08:01.57 | sankey | has anybody implemented some sort of "guest session" feature for debian? |
| 08:02.10 | sankey | i'm playing around with lightdm right now, but none of the guest-related flags seem to work |
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| 08:06.38 | aaron2390 | could someone tell me what i need to configure after installing xorg, kdebase, and workspace to get kdm to actually launch? |
| 08:07.09 | aaron2390 | i installed them onto a base install without a gui |
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| 08:12.05 | wols | aaron2390: run "startkde"? |
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| 08:13.34 | aaron2390 | that says that DISPLAY is not set..... |
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| 08:15.47 | wols | and what does "startx" run? |
| 08:16.26 | aaron2390 | lol command not found |
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| 08:23.28 | wols | aaron2390: startx gets installed when you install xorg |
| 08:25.29 | aaron2390 | well i have xserver-xorg-core and a lot of other xorg i installed with "apt-get install" |
| 08:26.15 | aaron2390 | most was installed when i installed kdebase |
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| 08:28.08 | aaron2390 | ah, i never rebooted it, i guess that was my problem :/ sorry about that |
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| 08:34.26 | iio7 | After I upgraded a server from squeeze to wheezy I get these suhosin errors in the log:http://paste.debian.net/79746/ |
| 08:34.46 | iio7 | I did NOT notice any warnings or info in the upgrade info about this issue. |
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| 08:36.55 | JoshuaP | How do I get openjdk-7-jre in Debian 6? |
| 08:37.01 | MACscr | im trying to use ramlog in order to easily setup ramdisk for logging, but it doesnt appear to be starting soon enough in the boot process. How do i figure out the boot order for processes so i can make sure it starts early enough? |
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| 08:40.06 | somiaj | ,v openjdk-7-jre |
| 08:40.07 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.7-1; jessie: 7u21-2.3.9-5; wheezy-security: 7u25-2.3.10-1~deb7u1; sid: 7u51-2.4.5-1 |
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| 08:40.26 | somiaj | JoshuaP: have you considered upgrading to 7.0? |
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| 08:42.35 | somiaj | or I guess 7.something, not sure what the point release is now. (: |
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| 08:43.16 | aaron2390 | is there a way to send "ctrl-alt-F1" to a VM in virtual box? |
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| 08:44.19 | JoshuaP | somiaj: it's not up to me, so ive got to do what what ive got |
| 08:44.33 | JoshuaP | i need a way to get openjd 7 on it, though |
| 08:45.23 | somiaj | JoshuaP: there is no offical way. But you might be able to go get openJDK and put it in /usr/local or /home and the static linked binaries should run on squeeze. Unsure on this though |
| 08:46.18 | somiaj | aaron2390: seems like a great questio to ask google, "vbox send ctrl alt f1" gave me lots of hits |
| 08:46.32 | JoshuaP | aye.. i cant try anything that i dont know will work :/ |
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| 08:47.29 | aaron2390 | JoshuaP: you can add the repo for Deb7 and then unmark them - done that a few times but depends on dependencies |
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| 08:48.02 | aaron2390 | somiaj: thanx |
| 08:48.50 | somiaj | I would not suggest adding 'wheezy' repo to 'squeeze' as that will open a can of worms. You need to make backports but at this stage squeeze is gonna hit its eol soon |
| 08:49.21 | somiaj | I use to install java from the upstream sources, I'd assume there is still a standard way you can install static linked binaries that way |
| 08:49.43 | JoshuaP | how can i upgrade to debian 7 inside of the system? |
| 08:49.52 | JoshuaP | or do i need to reformat.. |
| 08:50.13 | somiaj | JoshuaP: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 08:50.20 | somiaj | you can upgrade your standing system and not have to reinstall |
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| 08:50.36 | somiaj | there are some things you need to watch out for and a paticular order that is covered in the release notes |
| 08:51.29 | somiaj | usually they say test the upgrade on a test system first if you have critical data, but it is always wise to be safe |
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| 08:52.56 | aaron2390 | i have used testing repo on stable systems just for a couple of programs without upgrading before when i wanted the latest version, but it was for things like blender |
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| 08:55.39 | somiaj | aaron2390: that is terrible advise so please don't give it in #debian. |
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| 08:56.01 | somiaj | aaron2390: most packages depend on libc6, and you do not want a testing version of your core libaries installed on a stable system. This is why you make backports |
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| 08:56.33 | somiaj | (there are very rare packages in testing which only depend on wheezy versions, but unless you tripple check that no core libs get brought in you never want to mix) |
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| 08:57.43 | somiaj | Yes it may work, but later on you could run across some unforseen and unknown bugs. Compiling from source will always be the better way to go about getting newer packages in debian stable (unless someone else did the leg work and provides it in wheezy-backports) |
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| 09:06.12 | root________ | when I attempt to run "sudo aptitude reinstall ~i" I get an error about ]E: Couldn't configure pre-depend dpkg:amd64 for perl-base:amd64, probably a dependency cycle., and it refuses to continue. How do I circumvent this? |
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| 09:07.14 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure the offending package(s) |
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| 09:07.28 | jelly-home | root________: what's your goal, what are you trying to accomlish with that command? |
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| 09:07.37 | jelly-home | and why so long a tail! |
| 09:09.09 | root________ | jelly-home, I want to accomplish the reinstallation of each installed package to attempt to eliminate a spurious set of segmentation faults that I suspect may be related to corrupted binaries, but am unsure as to which package. |
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| 09:10.11 | root________ | jelly-home, as for the tail, it's a joke on people signing into IRC as the unix root user. the implication is that there are already eight other people on Freenode as root, myself being the ninth. However, I have in fact registered this nick. |
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| 09:12.25 | wols | root________: to check for corrupted binaries: man debsums |
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| 09:12.57 | wols | root________: which debian are you running? |
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| 09:13.18 | root________ | wols, wheezy. 7.3. |
| 09:13.40 | root________ | with zfsroot, but I've also done a lot with eatmydata, so I've kinda circumvented a lot of the zfs advantages. |
| 09:13.40 | wols | and what is the full output of the command you are running? |
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| 09:14.17 | root________ | a long list of packages, followed by the three pasted lines that follow |
| 09:14.19 | root________ | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 993 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 09:14.19 | root________ | Need to get 0 B/1331 MB of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. |
| 09:14.19 | root________ | 100% [Working]E: Couldn't configure pre-depend dpkg:amd64 for perl-base:amd64, probably a dependency cycle. |
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| 09:14.30 | wols | paste.debian.net |
| 09:14.31 | root________ | wow, three lines? |
| 09:14.39 | wols | !paste |
| 09:14.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 09:14.41 | root________ | lame, debhelper. three lines is nothing |
| 09:14.52 | wols | you are lame. as lame as your stupid nick |
| 09:15.02 | root________ | anyway, the only erronious line I've already sent in my previous message. |
| 09:15.20 | root________ | the packages are already installed, yet aptitude refuses to re-install them. |
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| 09:17.21 | themill | root________: except it wasn't 3 lines, it was 4. Please use paste.debian.net and show the entire output along with the command that generated it |
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| 09:19.38 | jelly-home | root________: aptitude will have issues trying to reinstall everything, it tries hard to keep the package state consistent, and fails. Did you do a debsums run for a start before deciding on this course of action? |
| 09:20.13 | root________ | http://paste.debian.net/79749/ |
| 09:20.52 | root________ | jelly-home, nope. didn't use debsums yet, and can't, for the life of me, figure out how to get it to run at the moment. furthermore, I have only just installed it, so it's failed to recompute a bunch of checksums since install time. |
| 09:21.19 | themill | !debsums |
| 09:21.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>. |
| 09:21.20 | root________ | jelly-home, I just want to run the reinstall over night and come back in the morning to a known good state. |
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| 09:22.27 | wols | root________: there is nothing to recompute |
| 09:22.51 | wols | debsums will clearly tell you which binaries are now different from when you installed them |
| 09:23.21 | wols | and generally the reason is either faulty hardware or a successful attack. either of those typically means new hardware and/or reinstallation |
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| 09:23.50 | jelly-home | root________: just run it (as root), perhaps with -s option to make it quiet about files that have correct checksums. It's a hail mary pass because many packages do NOT in fact come with checksums, but it might catch something |
| 09:24.30 | themill | jelly-home: anything unpacked by wheezy's dpkg will have md5sums |
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| 09:24.51 | root________ | there are several problems I have with debsums in principal at the moment (Note that it IS running, which means I'll ahve further debugging to do when it finishes, since aptitude reinstall ~i won't work for some reason) |
| 09:25.29 | root________ | first and foremost, the line, by intself, with a relevant configuration switch: "Report changed ELF files even if prelink is configured." but no mention on how to tell if prelink is on or how to verify binaries if it is.. |
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| 09:26.20 | themill | root________: if you did not do so, then you don't; if you have, you can't/ |
| 09:26.37 | dn4 | any reason why the debian OS has Rhythmbox using http://ubuntu.hbr1.com:19800/ambient.ogg |
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| 09:27.00 | root________ | secondly, the entire -g item. It needs to generate missing sums from .deb files anyway? |
| 09:27.17 | jelly-home | not much use in that at the moment |
| 09:27.56 | themill | root________: missing sums are missing. They have to come from somewhere. |
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| 09:29.03 | root________ | finally, the notes section says that debsums will by default be configured to add missing for any packages after the install. It should be part of the abse install installed with debootstrap. Adding it in as an afterthought whenever something goes wrong seems kinda useless. |
| 09:29.31 | root________ | wow, that first sentance is screwed up. To see what I meant, read man debsums |
| 09:30.57 | themill | root________: if it were in the standard install people would complain that it wasn't necessary... it's not required for basic operation so it, like apt-file and plenty of other useful utilities, aren't part of a base install. |
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| 09:32.24 | jelly-home | root________: anyway, if multiple different binaries segfault, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out which packages could be affected. Care to pastebin your dmesg or /var/log/kern.log showing the multiple segfaults |
| 09:32.25 | root________ | and in all my searching and researching, I've never found a metapackage in debian to install "common useful or important utilities for every day use", like ubuntu provides.. something like ubuntu-minimal or ubuntu-server or something lame like that. |
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| 09:33.44 | themill | root________: tasksel already does that (or there are the task-* packages). |
| 09:34.15 | themill | The definition of "useful" is going to be sufficiently varied that it's not going to keep everyone happy though |
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| 09:37.33 | root________ | jelly-home, I have got to get to bed. That's part of the appeal of simply running "aptitude reinstall ~i" is that it just does everything automagically and I wake up and it's fixed, or I wake up and something horribly terribly wrong has happened. |
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| 10:03.11 | mase76 | Hi! Does anybody know a good GTK Twitter client available as Debian package? Turpial isn't that nice. |
| 10:03.38 | indieross | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.05 | mase76 | does it support the new api? |
| 10:04.31 | indieross | not sure, i dont use twitter |
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| 10:05.26 | saivert | Echofon? runs via firefox I think |
| 10:05.52 | saivert | I don't really need a special client on a PC. ok for smartphones sure |
| 10:06.07 | Incentive | hello, does anyone know of a tutorial/help page I could use to encrypt my root filesystem in place? (I can backup etc first as required, would just prefer not to reinstall) |
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| 10:12.09 | Incentive | unless I am missing something, grub doesn't support LUKS, and so /boot needs to be unencrypted, but beyond that point everything can be? |
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| 10:21.30 | jelly-home | has an idea of asking everyone with unusual questions about their localtime and ignoring any issues that come up after 2am |
| 10:23.00 | xand | so only two hours' questions get answered |
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| 10:24.03 | saivert | everybody decides what question to answer themselves |
| 10:24.10 | tbx1024 | is there a version of the Nvidia binary driver which does not conflict with SELinux on debian testing? |
| 10:24.10 | saivert | problm? |
| 10:24.13 | bnnk751 | hello |
| 10:24.15 | AngryAdministrat | xand: how much did you pay for your answer then? :) |
| 10:24.44 | saivert | isn't there a stack exchange for debian? hehe |
| 10:24.44 | bnnk751 | quick questsion, I am trying to download devbian ISO dvd, but the FTP links has 3 dvds (1,2,3) which one do I get? |
| 10:25.02 | jelly-home | xand: more like 18 hours thereof |
| 10:25.31 | saivert | bnnk751: get DVD1 or CD1. |
| 10:25.34 | jelly-home | but weekends are weirder than weekdays |
| 10:25.43 | saivert | all you need if you got internet connection during install time |
| 10:25.50 | bnnk751 | ^_^ is the installation GUI or terminal based... |
| 10:26.00 | bnnk751 | I have used xubuntu for a year now but I am no pro |
| 10:26.11 | bnnk751 | I just want to stop the bloatedness |
| 10:26.36 | bnnk751 | debian-7.3.0-i386-DVD-1.iso this is the one correct? |
| 10:26.46 | mjt | whats' the package in debian which provides classical gnome shell (not the modern 3.x one)? |
| 10:26.48 | saivert | Yeah |
| 10:27.07 | sepero | bnnk751: the other disks are just extra software |
| 10:27.35 | bnnk751 | which I can get later on ^_^ |
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| 10:27.50 | sepero | bnnk751: correct. through apt-get |
| 10:27.57 | bnnk751 | does steam, skype work on debian and does it have nvidia drivers |
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| 10:28.28 | sepero | mjt: I think Mate |
| 10:29.26 | bnnk751 | I hear debian is great because its more stable, less bloatware etc.. |
| 10:29.32 | saivert | it has nouveau open source nvidia driver and you can install the binary one from nvidia if you like. it is supported. skype and steam should work. |
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| 10:30.29 | bnnk751 | nouveau has trouble playing regnum online, so I will get the nvidia 304 driver, I guess I will have to activate third party repos |
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| 10:30.53 | mjt | sepero: actually i mean gnome-session-flashback (in testing), but your one is.. interesting. Thank you for the hint! |
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| 10:31.01 | saivert | bnnk751: yes stable stable actually. but you can always run debian testing if you like updated software packages. shouldn't break to much if you just use it as a personal desktop OS. For servers it is recommended to run debian stable with optional backports |
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| 10:31.27 | bnnk751 | its for my own use.. |
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| 10:32.28 | bnnk751 | thank for the information by the way |
| 10:32.42 | sepero | Question: I'm interested in submitting my cpu cooling project to Debian. Any ideas on who I should contact? https://github.com/Sepero/temp-throttle |
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| 10:33.07 | mjt | cpu cooling project ? |
| 10:33.18 | mjt | ah |
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| 10:33.44 | bnnk751 | I have a giant fan right next to my pc for cooling, when I get cold I turn it around and switch the heat ^^ |
| 10:33.45 | bnnk751 | win win |
| 10:33.55 | sepero | hehe |
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| 10:34.36 | bnnk751 | oh one more thing |
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| 10:35.23 | bnnk751 | my father uses my pc from time to time, he is partially blind, debian has appearance editor so I can change the icons etc into larger high contrast/ |
| 10:35.48 | bnnk751 | maybe that would be a good project, a linux for disabled users ^^ |
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| 10:36.06 | mjt | that's a built-in gnome feature |
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| 10:37.12 | sepero | bnnk751: Ubuntu might be more desirable if you're looking for accessibility features. It's comes preinstalled with a lot of stuff to make things like high contrast and larger fonts easier |
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| 10:38.02 | saivert | need text to speech too? |
| 10:38.36 | bnnk751 | sepera, I am already using it, I am ok with dowloading things to get to work, I Just find ubuntu very bloated and things I would never install |
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| 10:40.38 | sepero | bnnk751: imho, it is easier to uninstall bloat from Ubuntu, than it is to install everything desirable on Debian. |
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| 10:42.13 | bnnk751 | I am sure debian will teach me more about linux than Ubuntu ever has |
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| 10:46.07 | sepero | bnnk751: Well you seem pretty set in your way. I would just say that Ubuntu allows a person to learn as much as any other distro, but without necessarily forcing them to. |
| 10:46.30 | Incentive | if I want to reinstall debian and keep all packages/config, which folders do I need to restore? |
| 10:46.42 | Incentive | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:47.28 | bnnk751 | Sepero, I like to be forced |
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| 10:47.50 | nevyn | Incentive: dpkg --get-selections + /etc |
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| 10:48.01 | sepero | Incentive: ^^^\ |
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| 10:48.13 | nevyn | Incentive: mostly.. |
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| 10:48.34 | nevyn | I'd actually use etckeepr take a clone of the git repo then merge stuff back in by hand. |
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| 10:48.38 | nevyn | but that's me. |
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| 10:49.05 | Incentive | i'm trying to figure out the easiest way of getting LUKS on my main partition, it seems as if reinstalling is the easiest method |
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| 10:49.25 | Incentive | I might just backup / since it's pretty small and just do things manually as they come up |
| 10:49.26 | sepero | bnnk751: that's cool. i can respect that. personally, i view that as sort of being in conflict with offering your dad a good user experience |
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| 10:50.31 | sepero | bnnk751: you might want to consider putting Debian, or possibly even LFS in a virtual machine |
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| 10:50.42 | mjt | Go to "System -> Administration -> Disk Utility" -- what is the app which provides this menu item? (I don't have it here) |
| 10:50.51 | Incentive | gnome-disk-utility |
| 10:50.55 | mjt | thanks |
| 10:50.57 | cheater__ | mjt: ps aux |
| 10:51.03 | mjt | lol |
| 10:51.12 | mjt | that's cheater indeed |
| 10:51.13 | cheater__ | and sort by pid |
| 10:51.40 | sepero | mjt: apt-get install alacarte # That program will give you a lot of information on the menus and ability to change them |
| 10:51.44 | mjt | cheater__: can you please actually read again what I asked, before asnwering? :) |
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| 10:52.06 | cheater__ | i gave you a spoon, you ask me to feed you |
| 10:52.16 | mjt | you didn't |
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| 10:52.33 | cheater__ | ok. argue with someone else. i don't have time. |
| 10:52.35 | mjt | because i don't have that menu item, so i don't have the program to run, so i can't find it in ps output |
| 10:52.40 | Incentive | how exactly does ps help with finding a program you don't have |
| 10:52.41 | Incentive | lol |
| 10:52.42 | cheater__ | oh. |
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| 10:52.52 | bnnk751 | 8 min left for download to finish ^^ and I am off installing debian |
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| 10:53.05 | cheater__ | you're right, that's an issue. |
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| 10:53.15 | cheater__ | i misunderstood what you wrote. sorry. |
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| 10:53.39 | mjt | gnome-disk-tool is the one i was looking for. thank you Incentive and cheater__ :) |
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| 10:54.20 | bnnk751 | there is a lot of love in this room |
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| 10:54.45 | mjt | gnome-disk-utility sorry |
| 10:54.51 | cheater__ | ) |
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| 11:11.28 | eblip | asdfg |
| 11:12.07 | sepero | i agree |
| 11:12.16 | [sr] | bhg ? |
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| 11:16.28 | Roland- | hi. I wuld like to create an windows bootable usb stick, can i do that from command line? I have no GUI on this machine |
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| 11:18.41 | Roland- | can dd handle this? |
| 11:18.43 | hewhomust | do you have the windows iso |
| 11:18.47 | hewhomust | use dd |
| 11:19.49 | Roland- | ok |
| 11:20.09 | jubo2 | Hi and thanks for all the great work put into free and libre software |
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| 11:20.52 | jubo2 | But my machine sorta froze ( I needed to 4 secs push the power button ) and now it's terribly laggy, everything takes 0.5-many seconds |
| 11:21.15 | jubo2 | I've never before experienced frozen shell |
| 11:21.27 | hewhomust | what did you install? |
| 11:21.29 | jubo2 | er.. |
| 11:21.55 | jubo2 | I mean waiting for fractions-seconds for something like 'ls' takes |
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| 11:22.07 | hewhomust | just the terminal? |
| 11:22.22 | jubo2 | almost everything |
| 11:22.45 | jubo2 | this irc works okbut the "K"-menu in KDE takes like 1s-2s to open for example |
| 11:22.55 | jubo2 | all of these symptoms appeared roughly at the same time |
| 11:22.59 | jubo2 | plz help |
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| 11:27.43 | petn-randall | jubo2: Have you checked if your HDD has defects? |
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| 11:28.54 | jubo2 | petn-randall: How do I do that ? |
| 11:29.00 | sepero | jubo2: it could be a multitude of different problems. perhaps view /var/log/syslog and see there are errors being reported |
| 11:29.41 | jubo2 | sepero: I 'tail 200 /var/log/syslog' |
| 11:30.02 | _4dnan_ | Suddenly, my tty has a different keyboard layout from the graphical interface. I made a custom one long ago, and it's still working in the tty. Why did the graphical interface apparently reset the keyboard layout after a power interruption ? Your help is appreciated. I'm on #! but there's little difference. |
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| 11:32.25 | sepero | _4dnan_: Do you mean the tty that appears when you press Ctrl+Alt+F1 ? |
| 11:32.30 | _4dnan_ | Yes. |
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| 11:34.41 | sepero | _4dnan_: I don't think I can help much. I'm not really knowledgeable with changing keyboard layout :( |
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| 11:35.44 | _4dnan_ | Alright, I'll wait for someone else then, thanks ! It's really irritating, otherwise I'd have to remap the keyboard in the graphical interface, a big hassle. |
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| 11:36.51 | wols | !keymap |
| 11:36.51 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
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| 11:36.59 | sepero | _4dnan_: Is the GUI remapping supposed to apply to tty terminals? |
| 11:37.03 | ompaul | !crunchbang |
| 11:37.03 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 11:37.28 | ompaul | so there is a difference we don't know what they altered ... and that could be crucial in this case |
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| 11:38.11 | ompaul | wols: the #! told me lots ;-) |
| 11:38.23 | ompaul | runs around wols screaming random numbers |
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| 11:38.48 | wols | ompaul: I am not so paranoid and distrustful as you are |
| 11:39.13 | ompaul | wols: fair point, well made. |
| 11:39.15 | ompaul | ;-) |
| 11:39.37 | sepero | Question: I'm interested in submitting my cpu cooling project to Debian. Any ideas on who I should contact? https://github.com/Sepero/temp-throttle |
| 11:39.50 | petn-randall | jubo2: What did your syslog and kern.log say? Any error messages? |
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| 11:40.38 | _4dnan_ | Sorry, it crashed. |
| 11:40.51 | _4dnan_ | Well then I think I might also check the updates logs. |
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| 11:41.53 | aiRness | Hello. I |
| 11:41.56 | _4dnan_ | I edited /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/us for the info. |
| 11:42.03 | _4dnan_ | had edited * |
| 11:42.19 | aiRness | Hello. I've created my own debian package. What is the best way to have a development and a production version on the same repository? |
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| 11:43.15 | petn-randall | sepero: The usual way would be to submit a wishlist bug report RFP ("request for packaging") against the WNPP ("work-needing and prospective packages"). |
| 11:43.33 | mjt | aiRness: that's probably a question for #debian-mentors. usually it is done in different branches using some version management system (such as git) |
| 11:43.39 | jubo2 | petn-randall: I 'sudo tail -n 1000 /var/log/syslog | grep "error"' |
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| 11:43.48 | jubo2 | let's see.. |
| 11:43.53 | sepero | petn-randall: gotcha |
| 11:44.05 | petn-randall | sepero: Though I see little use in it since most CPUs already do thermal management by themselves. |
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| 11:44.22 | Heyoka | hola |
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| 11:44.47 | petn-randall | jubo2: It's unlikely that any problem will explicitely have "error" in the line. |
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| 11:44.54 | sepero | petn-randall: where would i go to submit an rfp? |
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| 11:45.22 | petn-randall | sepero: Check out the instructions here: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ |
| 11:45.23 | sepero | petn-randall: nvm, google |
| 11:45.28 | sepero | petn-randall: thank you |
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| 11:45.39 | petn-randall | sepero: You're welcome :) |
| 11:45.42 | tbx1024 | is it possible to report bugs in non-free packages? |
| 11:45.42 | jubo2 | petn-randall: 3 lines, only one that looks suspect is as follows |
| 11:45.45 | jubo2 | Feb 2 12:42:06 NC210 kernel: [ 181.855492] ksplashx[3250] general protection ip:40f1b4 sp:7fff73876858 error:0 in ksplashx[400000+1d000] |
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| 11:46.06 | jubo2 | then otoh it gives 0 for "error" |
| 11:46.30 | aiRness | mjt: ok thanks I will ask there |
| 11:46.35 | petn-randall | jubo2: Can you paste 'smartctl -A /dev/<yourrootdrive>' and the last 20 lines of kern.log? |
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| 11:47.22 | jubo2 | petn-randall: so that's like SDA or SDA7 |
| 11:47.33 | petn-randall | jubo2: /dev/sda, yes |
| 11:47.49 | jubo2 | oukki-doukki.. I paste in paste thing |
| 11:47.52 | Incentive | would dd be enough to backup and restore a usb stick? |
| 11:48.16 | Incentive | I only have 1 USB stick available so it would be useful if I could dd it off and back on again (need to reinstall debian) |
| 11:48.31 | Incentive | rather than copying all the files, restoring partition table, etc |
| 11:49.02 | hewhomust | yeah |
| 11:49.07 | petn-randall | Incentive: Yes, you can use that. Though you'll be reading and writing a lot more than needed since you'll also be copying the empty sectors. |
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| 11:49.44 | Incentive | petn it's pretty full anyway so that's no issue. :) |
| 11:50.07 | ompaul | tbx1024: yeah, but the fix might not be possible |
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| 11:51.23 | jubo2 | petn-randall: I don't have smartctl installed |
| 11:51.24 | aiRness | mjt: it's only invite-channel |
| 11:52.12 | tremon | aiRness: #debian-mentors is on oftc (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 11:52.17 | petn-randall | aiRness: It's on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:52.30 | petn-randall | jubo2: Then install it. |
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| 11:53.13 | jubo2 | petn-randall: ok. I install |
| 11:53.22 | jubo2 | it's for the potential disk problem |
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| 11:57.15 | jubo2 | petn-randall: sez folowing packets contain string "smartctl": smartmontools gsmartcontrol idle3-tools |
| 11:57.25 | jubo2 | which should I install |
| 11:57.55 | petn-randall | jubo2: smartmontools. |
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| 11:59.48 | jubo2 | petn-randall: installed the package smartmontools, still no smartctl |
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| 12:00.36 | wols | jubo2: are you root when running it? |
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| 12:00.54 | wols | ,file /usr/sbin/smartctl |
| 12:00.59 | judd | Search for /usr/sbin/smartctl in wheezy/i386: smartmontools: usr/sbin/smartctl |
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| 12:03.38 | ntrophimov | Hi all! I've tried to install nixnote on my Debian Wheezy. "dpkg -i nixnote-1.5_amd64.deb" results in "Package libssl0.9.8 is not installed". "apt-get -f install" tells me that nixnote will be removed (I think that it's should resolve libssl conflict). I've already tried to install libssl manually via "apt-get install libssl" but got the following error - "E: Unable to locate package libssl" |
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| 12:04.24 | wols | ,info libssl0.9.8 |
| 12:04.25 | judd | No package named 'libssl0.9.8' was found in wheezy/i386. |
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| 12:04.34 | wols | ,v libssl0.9.8 |
| 12:04.35 | judd | Package: libssl0.9.8 on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14 |
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| 12:04.43 | jubo2 | petn-randall: go tthe smartctl report and the kern.log here -> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/887c1093/ |
| 12:05.00 | wols | ntrophimov: you can try to install it from squeeze-security. or you recompile the program |
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| 12:05.56 | ntrophimov | wols, How can I do it? Should I edit my /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 12:06.00 | jubo2 | Everything is like stuck in glue |
| 12:06.26 | jubo2 | that's how I'd describe how this Debian7 changed today |
| 12:06.39 | wols | ntrophimov: no. packages.debian.org |
| 12:06.50 | jubo2 | everything in the UI takes forver |
| 12:06.56 | petn-randall | jubo2: Your disc looks fine, so does the kern.log. Do you have a high CPU load? |
| 12:06.57 | wols | jubo2: checked your cpu speed? |
| 12:07.09 | jubo2 | how do I do that |
| 12:07.16 | halfie | hello, is SELinux on "jessie" installations already functional? |
| 12:07.18 | jubo2 | I know 'top' |
| 12:07.29 | halfie | it great to know that debian is going with selinux :) |
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| 12:07.49 | petn-randall | jubo2: Or lots of I/O on the disk? You can check it with 'atop', if anything turns red you're hitting the limit there. |
| 12:08.00 | ntrophimov | wols, so, what should I do? :) What do you mean by "you can try to install it from squeeze-security"? |
| 12:08.09 | petn-randall | halfie: selinux has already been in squeeze. |
| 12:08.18 | themill | ntrophimov: are you installing nixnote packages designed for ubuntu? |
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| 12:08.59 | petn-randall | ntrophimov: It's not a good idea to mix stable with oldstable. Best you find a nixnote package that was built for wheezy. |
| 12:09.10 | wols | ntrophimov: go to packages.debian.org and download the .deb from there |
| 12:09.22 | jubo2 | petn-randall: cpu mostly idle |
| 12:09.41 | ntrophimov | themill, I have the nixnote-1.5_amd64.deb package |
| 12:09.54 | themill | ntrophimov: and where did you get that from? a filename means little. |
| 12:09.56 | ntrophimov | wols, ah, ok |
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| 12:10.23 | themill | if that package is designed from ubuntu, then that won't be the only problem that prevents you from installing it. |
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| 12:11.41 | ntrophimov | I don't see any distrib-related files here - http://sourceforge.net/projects/nevernote/files/Current/ |
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| 12:11.51 | jubo2 | petn-randall: atop shows all white and no red |
| 12:11.53 | kRush | jubo2, that loadcycle count? oO |
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| 12:12.20 | jubo2 | kRush: I do not knows what is a loadcycle |
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| 12:14.59 | kRush | parking of the heads |
| 12:15.01 | themill | ntrophimov: I remember running away screaming from their packages... I can't remember the exact reasons now but I did decide to give up on working on that package for debian. |
| 12:15.07 | ntrophimov | btw, I don't see libssl0.9.8 on packages.debian.org, there's libssl1.0.0 only |
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| 12:18.32 | petn-randall | ntrophimov: It's because 0.9.8 is obsolete. |
| 12:18.52 | _4dnan_ | _> Where can I find the keyboard layout file specific to the console in Debian ? |
| 12:20.46 | Roland- | damn, I cannot kill the mkfs.ntfs process |
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| 12:23.50 | Roland- | reboot does not work either |
| 12:23.52 | Roland- | and so on |
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| 12:25.00 | jubo2 | My system is moving like an ant in tar |
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| 12:25.24 | jubo2 | thanks petn-randall for helping me with my problem even if unsuccessfull so far |
| 12:25.48 | petn-randall | Roland-: Are you writing to a disk that got unplugged or is busy? |
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| 12:26.40 | Roland- | yes |
| 12:26.49 | Roland- | that was it, and now the whole system is dead |
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| 12:27.11 | Roland- | how is such thing posible |
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| 12:27.56 | Roland- | I feel like I'm going back to windows 95. |
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| 12:28.02 | petn-randall | Roland-: with root power comes responsibility ... |
| 12:28.19 | petn-randall | Roland-: That will happen to any other OS, too. |
| 12:28.34 | Roland- | ok |
| 12:28.43 | Incentive | gah, lol |
| 12:28.50 | Incentive | just spent 10 minutes fiddling with an rsync command |
| 12:28.59 | Incentive | to find that it was commented out. so I was running # rsync |
| 12:29.04 | petn-randall | Roland-: Can you reboot your system at all? e.g. run 'reboot' as root? |
| 12:30.00 | petn-randall | jubo2: Can't say what it is. If it's not CPU or disk load, it sounds like a very special error to me. |
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| 12:31.19 | Roland- | I did that, it killed ssh however it responds to ping and stuff so I guess it "tries" to reboot |
| 12:31.30 | Roland- | and I don't have access to the machine itself so I am stuck |
| 12:31.52 | Roland- | an 4GB stick managed to kill my day. |
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| 12:34.25 | jubo2 | petn-randall: now atop is showing kwin wanting 99% of CPU and konqueror around 70% |
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| 12:35.06 | jubo2 | I don't know what is "kwin" ... Konqueror is obviously Konqueror |
| 12:35.27 | petn-randall | Roland-: How did you unplug the stick if you can't access the system? |
| 12:35.40 | jubo2 | maybe I 'kill -15' these processes and reboot |
| 12:35.54 | petn-randall | jubo2: kwin is your window manager. |
| 12:36.07 | petn-randall | jubo2: Is it showing 99% all the time? |
| 12:36.18 | jubo2 | most of the time I think |
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| 12:36.50 | jubo2 | as I said this system is like an ant in tar about to become amber |
| 12:37.30 | petn-randall | Didn't you say earlier that your cpu was mostly idle?! |
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| 12:37.49 | jubo2 | it was it was |
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| 12:38.31 | jubo2 | or do I see different numbers if I'm looking at top or atop |
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| 12:38.59 | jubo2 | I kill the konqueror process reboot and hope the ktop finds peace |
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| 12:40.56 | jubo2 | and reboot |
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| 12:41.58 | petn-randall | jubo2: Just reboot, they all get killed anyway. |
| 12:42.25 | mallxs | Hi, i have a ASUS Maximus VI Hero, the Ethernet controller pci Device is [8086:153b] and that is not supported by the 7.3.0 NetInstall, The talk is that it is compatible with the e1000e driver; so what i have to do, is add the reference to pci module table. pls advice where i find how to rebuild NetInstall Iso file ? |
| 12:42.28 | jubo2 | if the UI would just work.. |
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| 12:43.26 | petn-randall | jubo2: ctrl+alt+sysrq, then b |
| 12:44.13 | jubo2 | that doesn't work |
| 12:44.32 | jubo2 | I try to woe the UI to get the shut down and start up tnx plos |
| 12:44.38 | petn-randall | jubo2: Then push the hardware button, for pete's sake. |
| 12:44.39 | wols | mallxs: get a backports kernel |
| 12:44.44 | wols | !tell mallxs about backports |
| 12:44.57 | petn-randall | ,pciid 8086:153b |
| 12:44.58 | judd | [8086:153b] is 'Ethernet Connection I217-V' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:153b |
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| 12:45.01 | amee2k | morning everyone :D |
| 12:45.20 | CookieM | morning 2u |
| 12:45.26 | mallxs | judd wols: thx |
| 12:45.34 | wols | petn-randall: i217 came out long after wheezy. pretty sure no wheezy kernel will work |
| 12:45.38 | amee2k | i'm on a debian 7.2 live rescue CD. how do i change the active keyboard layout? i used to do "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" but that doesn't work anymore) |
| 12:45.58 | wols | petn-randall: and for all intel devices, you see how useless this pciid DB is here :( |
| 12:46.11 | wols | !tell amee2k about keymap |
| 12:47.36 | petn-randall | amee2k: 'loadkeys <twolettercountrycode>', e.g. 'loadkeys us' |
| 12:48.10 | amee2k | (hint: its the rescue CD, so editing the X11 config file won't help for the VT, and reconfiguring "keyboard-configuration" runs but shows no effect) |
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| 12:48.50 | amee2k | petn-randall: hmm, i tried "loadkeys de" but i get an error "findkeymap: no such file or directory" / "cannot open file de" |
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| 12:50.09 | jubo2 | the system is fluid and responsive again!! |
| 12:50.26 | jubo2 | tnx to all who helped |
| 12:50.42 | jubo2 | interesting question is what happens if I start konqueror again |
| 12:51.05 | cheater__ | yw |
| 12:51.12 | jubo2 | nothing |
| 12:51.22 | jubo2 | it didn't recover tabs or anything |
| 12:51.34 | jubo2 | welcome to konq page |
| 12:51.59 | jubo2 | that was some serious buggyness that ant-in-tar responsiveness of the UI |
| 12:52.26 | jubo2 | petn-randall: Thank you for helping |
| 12:54.04 | ectospasm | what are you using konqueror for? |
| 12:54.05 | amee2k | so any easy way to change the keyboard layout without the "console-data" package? is there a way to add the layout to the boot options? |
| 12:54.32 | ectospasm | what are you using konqueror for, jubo2? |
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| 12:55.21 | jubo2 | ectospasm: nothing.. it opened links from irc till I made IceWeasel the default browser |
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| 12:56.44 | mallxs | wols: Before i start using the backport's i will need my ethernet to work correct ? or am i missing something ? |
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| 12:59.45 | mallxs | Now i did buy a small RTL ethernet card but it say's Compatible with PCI revision 2.1/2.2/2.3 and the MB manual say it is PCI 2.0; can i still use this card with this MB ? |
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| 13:00.57 | ectospasm | mallxs: what type of PCI slots (not PCIe) does your motherboard have? |
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| 13:01.34 | mallxs | ectospasm: no PCI slots .. only PCIe and PCIex |
| 13:01.49 | amee2k | ok, found it. have fun everyone |
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| 13:02.20 | ectospasm | mallxs: then you probably won't be able to use a PCI card without an adapter (and those are always hit or miss, IIRC) |
| 13:02.26 | abrotman | mallxs: Should work, "try it and see" |
| 13:02.43 | abrotman | (or ask ##hardware) |
| 13:02.54 | Roland- | dd if writing packets on /dev/sdb1 can I check if it writes or it's dead? |
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| 13:03.33 | ectospasm | Roland-: kill -USR1 $(pidof dd) |
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| 13:04.16 | Roland- | as espected, cannot kill it |
| 13:04.23 | mallxs | abrotman: will do the ask on ##hardware .. thx for pointing me ... btw i could not find any PCIe ethernet card's in the shop |
| 13:04.50 | flux242 | it's kill -s USR1 |
| 13:04.55 | ectospasm | Roland-: you do not understand, kill -USR1 sends a signal to the process $(pidof dd), and dd spits out progress info |
| 13:05.19 | ectospasm | flux242: -<SIG> works to, like -9 or -15 (e.g.) |
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| 13:05.29 | flux242 | didn't know |
| 13:05.44 | Roland- | I get no record |
| 13:05.51 | Roland- | [root@v3 ~]# kill -USR1 2015 |
| 13:05.51 | Roland- | [root@v3 ~]# |
| 13:06.13 | ectospasm | Roland-: look in the shell running dd |
| 13:06.26 | flux242 | Roland-: tail /var/log/syslog |
| 13:07.02 | Roland- | ok it's hung |
| 13:07.06 | Roland- | can i force reboot |
| 13:07.07 | Roland- | somehow? |
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| 13:07.13 | Roland- | I am 100% sure it won't reboot |
| 13:07.16 | ectospasm | sudo reboot? |
| 13:07.32 | Roland- | did that before, it hang on writing that disk |
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| 13:07.49 | ectospasm | maybe run sync first to flush all disk buffers |
| 13:08.00 | ectospasm | it might hang on sync, though |
| 13:08.14 | ectospasm | /dev/sdb1 isn't mounted, is it? |
| 13:08.19 | Roland- | no |
| 13:08.23 | Roland- | but dd is dead |
| 13:08.34 | Roland- | and I don't have access to that machien only remote |
| 13:08.44 | ectospasm | jeesh |
| 13:08.57 | Roland- | so is there some force reboot |
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| 13:09.17 | Roland- | I also have ssh access to ipmi, I need to load 10.0.1.1 on eth0 |
| 13:09.24 | Roland- | I am lodig it however no link there |
| 13:11.27 | Roland- | aaa |
| 13:11.28 | Roland- | yes |
| 13:11.33 | Roland- | it recovered |
| 13:11.57 | ectospasm | sometimes dd will hang for a while, but it will complete mostly |
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| 13:18.30 | Roland- | dead at "unmounting filesystems" |
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| 13:18.45 | Roland- | this is incredible |
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| 13:19.17 | Roland- | there's no timeout for that? |
| 13:20.24 | jelly-home | Roland-: sysvinit sucks that way |
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| 13:20.52 | jelly-home | alt-sysrq-s, alt-sysrq-u, alt-sysrq-b |
| 13:21.21 | ectospasm | is the magic sysreq key enabled in stock Debian kernels? |
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| 13:21.39 | Roland- | I don't have the sysrq key anyway |
| 13:21.49 | abrotman | you don't? |
| 13:21.59 | ectospasm | I remember having to enable it specifically for my Gentoo kernels way back when, and I still couldn't get the keys to work |
| 13:22.11 | petn-randall | Roland-: If you can't reach any hardware button, you can do 'echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger' as root. |
| 13:22.14 | jelly-home | Roland-: don't you have some sort of java console over ipmi |
| 13:22.30 | jelly-home | ectospasm: it is. |
| 13:22.40 | Roland- | ipmi is not responding |
| 13:22.44 | Roland- | and I cannot echo anything |
| 13:22.46 | jelly-home | eh |
| 13:22.52 | Roland- | it's in the process of rebooting |
| 13:22.55 | jelly-home | it's datacenter time |
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| 13:23.02 | Roland- | it is |
| 13:23.14 | ectospasm | PWR BTN ftw! |
| 13:23.16 | Roland- | but I still wonder how am I having this issues in 2014. |
| 13:23.33 | jelly-home | I'm very grateful for iLO and AMM working without issues |
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| 13:24.01 | Roland- | I will get into bios and check why bmc over lan is not responding |
| 13:24.04 | jelly-home | hates datacenter time |
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| 13:24.49 | abrotman | isn't sure he's even allowed in the datacenter |
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| 13:25.37 | Devastator | by datacenter time you mean drive to there or simply call them/write a helpdesk ticket? |
| 13:26.00 | Roland- | I will call them |
| 13:26.04 | xand | just walks in |
| 13:26.10 | Roland- | but the servers are on another floor and so on |
| 13:26.12 | Roland- | takes time |
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| 13:29.08 | Roland- | I am just sorry I am stuck with 10 year old issues like: rebooting, booting. |
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| 13:32.08 | Anonymous_ | why is apt/aptitude not removing automatically installed packages properly? |
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| 13:32.47 | themill | You'd probably need to explain what it is doing and what you expect it to do before you get an answer to that question |
| 13:32.59 | Anonymous_ | i just installed rhythmbox-plugins which brought 17 dependencies with it..but removing only removes 1? |
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| 13:33.26 | petn-randall | Anonymous_: Those 17 packages probably have other packages recommending/suggesting them. |
| 13:33.29 | Anonymous_ | I am on debian wheezy 64bit |
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| 13:33.39 | tremon | try apt-get autoremove |
| 13:33.58 | Anonymous_ | petn-randall: but they were not installed until I installed rhytmbox-plugins right? |
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| 13:34.16 | Anonymous_ | tremon: tried..does not work. |
| 13:34.19 | petn-randall | Anonymous_: They were likely already installed before. |
| 13:34.27 | themill | Anonymous_: that doesn't mean that other packages you have on your machine don't also recommend those packages |
| 13:35.00 | Anonymous_ | themill: also i have disabled installation of recommeded packages. |
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| 13:35.40 | themill | that doesn't mean that packages with only a recommends for them will be removed |
| 13:35.54 | themill | (or indeed in aptitude's case, a suggests is enough to keep a package installed) |
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| 13:36.12 | Anonymous_ | themill: so how do i check that? |
| 13:36.21 | tremon | Anonymous_: you can try aptitude why $pkg_you_expect_to_be_removed , sometimes it gives a helpful answer |
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| 13:37.00 | themill | Anonymous_: give aptitude -o Apt::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant=false -o Apt::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant=false |
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| 13:37.12 | Anonymous_ | tremon: ok.thanks i'll check that right away... |
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| 13:37.47 | themill | http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s05s05.html btw |
| 13:37.55 | tremon | there is also APT::Keep-Suggested |
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| 13:39.11 | _4dnan_ | Hi ! É is Eagrave. What is "not equal to" called ? Thanks. |
| 13:39.28 | _4dnan_ | Not sure where to ask this. |
| 13:39.56 | themill | _4dnan_: called by whom? |
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| 13:40.14 | _4dnan_ | I am editing my xkb keymap |
| 13:40.28 | _4dnan_ | And there"s stuff like eagrave, eacute, aacute ... |
| 13:40.32 | themill | (unicode calls É "LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH GRAVE" and ≠ "NOT EQUAL TO" |
| 13:41.25 | _4dnan_ | Here's a one line sample : |
| 13:41.27 | _4dnan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.50 | _4dnan_ | There must be something for the slashed "=" (not equal to) |
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| 13:41.52 | ectospasm | ne |
| 13:42.04 | _4dnan_ | Just ne ? |
| 13:42.07 | ectospasm | according to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XML_and_HTML_character_entity_references |
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| 13:43.13 | _4dnan_ | That's what I was looking for, thanks pal ! |
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| 13:44.24 | themill | _4dnan_: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ btw |
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| 13:45.25 | themill | you may also find compose key mappings with ~/.XCompose more flexible (/msg dpkg compose) |
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| 13:46.06 | guampa | i'm trying to use fglrx with a radeon 7850, X starts and the drivers load correctly, but somehow it defaults to a "CRT1" output |
| 13:46.55 | _4dnan_ | Right, I was about the compose key today, but I prefer to predefine the few symbols I use to make things quicker, thanks. |
| 13:47.03 | guampa | has someone seen this issue? |
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| 13:47.10 | _4dnan_ | was about to use * |
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| 13:48.47 | Anonymous_ | themill: sorry..but those options don't help |
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| 13:51.58 | petn-randall | Anonymous_: More details please, how do they not help? |
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| 13:53.04 | Incentive | What is the installer doing during 'erasing data' (encrypted LVM install)? |
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| 13:53.39 | Incentive | Does it perform multiple passes? It's taking far longer than I would expect on an SSD |
| 13:53.55 | petn-randall | Incentive: Overwriting with random data. |
| 13:54.41 | Anonymous_ | petn-randall: thats because "aptitude purge rhythmbox-plugins" still removes only 1 package and leaves 17 other automatically installed ones behind. |
| 13:54.50 | Incentive | Yes, but, more than once or something? Even at say 50MB/s it has taken longer than it should take for one pass and the progress is at 50% |
| 13:55.34 | petn-randall | Incentive: I think your source of random bits is the bottleneck. |
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| 13:56.00 | Incentive | Interesting. |
| 13:56.32 | Incentive | I wish it had a timer so I could go away. Trying to guess when it started using /proc/uptime. :p |
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| 13:57.15 | themill | Anonymous_: real commands and real output would be handy |
| 13:58.10 | petn-randall | Incentive: It depends on the CPU type, but expect read from /dev/urandom to be in the range of ~10MB/s. |
| 13:58.27 | Incentive | Ah. Well, that makes sense then. |
| 13:58.56 | Incentive | 3-4 hours for a 128gb SSD. Glad I didn't do this on the HDD... |
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| 13:59.14 | petn-randall | indieross: 1 TB? |
| 13:59.21 | Incentive | Indees |
| 13:59.27 | Incentive | Indeed |
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| 13:59.51 | Incentive | It seems odd that it needs to be completely random though |
| 14:00.23 | petn-randall | Incentive: I'd skip that part if I can since it only make the SSD run slower. The only downside is that an attacker could see how high the disk usage is, and likely what filesystem is used. |
| 14:00.32 | cybrNaut- | is the netinst installer able to install to a drive with encrypted partitions that already exist? will it ask for passwords? |
| 14:01.00 | petn-randall | cybrNaut-: AFAIR yes. |
| 14:01.24 | Incentive | The HDD is encrypted already, I just didn't overwrite with random data. That level of security is not really necessary for my purposes |
| 14:01.34 | Incentive | If it becomes so I can do it at a later date |
| 14:02.10 | Incentive | The installer just didn't give me a choice :p |
| 14:02.18 | cybrNaut- | petn-randall: cool. it takes 24 hours to create an encrypted partition for debian, so i'd rather do it in the background |
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| 14:03.12 | cybrNaut- | 24 hours of no internet is painful indeed |
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| 14:03.39 | Incentive | He he. Cell phone to the rescue |
| 14:03.59 | Incentive | Suddenly forking out for a smart phone feels justified... For these 4 hours only |
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| 14:04.09 | petn-randall | cybrNaut-: I always have a laptop in the EMP-safe bunker for that case. |
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| 14:04.44 | cybrNaut- | petn-randall: well i envy you |
| 14:04.59 | cybrNaut- | is EMP-vulnerable |
| 14:05.20 | Incentive | The installer should have a basic browser or something for this purpose :p |
| 14:05.30 | Incentive | I don't think it even has links |
| 14:05.45 | Incentive | Half of the commands are missing in busybox |
| 14:05.47 | petn-randall | If an ever an EMP nuke should hit somewhere in the western countries, mayhem would break out not because medical equipment or water/electricity would stop working, but because people can't update their facebook status to 'armageddon has just come!' |
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| 14:06.07 | petn-randall | Incentive: aptitude has snake for such occasions :D |
| 14:06.08 | cybrNaut- | Incentive: yes, a browser, and a big fuckin warning that states loudly that the paritioning will take a full day! |
| 14:06.26 | Incentive | Petn there would be a huge backlog of selfies waiting to be uploaded |
| 14:06.43 | Incentive | Facebook down for 1 week after it is all repaired |
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| 14:07.18 | petn-randall | Incentive: Hehehe :) |
| 14:07.39 | cybrNaut- | Incentive: btw, it's not a good idea to have a cellphone.. at least, not one that is powered on regularly. all cellphones are tracking devices |
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| 14:08.24 | Incentive | Cybrnaut it is rather easy to track my location using other means if necessary |
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| 14:08.46 | Incentive | Googling my full name would get you within a few hundred metres 99% of the time |
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| 14:09.00 | Incentive | I understand the principle, though ;p |
| 14:10.21 | petn-randall | Incentive: Well, someone would have to first find out your full name, right? If you got *that*, it's fairly easy to find out where that person lives. It's 5€ at the local citizen center in Germany. |
| 14:10.47 | Incentive | Petn, indeed, but, the same applies to my cell phone |
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| 14:10.57 | cybrNaut- | petn-randall: that's shocking.. i thought Germans were very pro-privacy |
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| 14:11.20 | cybrNaut- | it's germany that objected to google street view iirc |
| 14:11.25 | MACscr | im cloning a debian install to a few different drives, but they wont boot. Guess its an issue with the UUID? When i check their blkid in clonezilla, it shows them as exactly the same thing (two different drives). So if they are somehow retaining the same UUID, why wont they boot? Simply says error: file not found when it tries to load a kernel from the grub menu |
| 14:11.32 | Incentive | If you have access to that data, you are probably my operator or have ordered them to give you info... :p |
| 14:11.36 | abrotman | !ot |
| 14:11.36 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 14:13.16 | Incentive | Getting out a ruler to measure the progress bar as it doesn't have an indicator :p |
| 14:13.40 | petn-randall | Incentive, cybrNaut-, let's take this over to #debian-offtopic. |
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| 14:14.52 | cybrNaut- | k |
| 14:15.10 | petn-randall | MACscr: Just cloning the partition is not enough. You're still missing the bootloader. |
| 14:15.39 | MACscr | petn-randall: i used clonezilla, which does copy the bootloader |
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| 14:16.00 | MACscr | i copied the drive as a whole, not just partitions |
| 14:16.05 | MACscr | went disk to disk |
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| 14:17.02 | petn-randall | MACscr: What are the actuall error message you get on boot then? |
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| 14:17.58 | MACscr | petn-randall: just what i described: "error: file not found. Press any key to continue…." |
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| 14:20.09 | petn-randall | MACscr: That's not an error message that grub or Debian generates. You sure you're booting from the right disk? |
| 14:21.53 | MACscr | yep. picking it from the bios boot menu |
| 14:22.02 | MACscr | its a single partition usb disk with ext2 |
| 14:22.10 | MACscr | same as the original |
| 14:22.16 | MACscr | same model, same size |
| 14:22.18 | MACscr | very basic |
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| 14:25.09 | Roland- | ok, umount /mnt/usb hangs |
| 14:25.13 | Roland- | what can I do ? |
| 14:25.26 | MACscr | Roland-: make sure its not in use |
| 14:25.30 | petn-randall | Roland-: Didn't you reboot? |
| 14:25.39 | Roland- | I did, but I am stuck again. |
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| 14:25.57 | MACscr | um, why didnt you simply unplug it when you rebooted it? |
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| 14:26.29 | Roland- | because I need to write an bootable usb on it |
| 14:26.47 | petn-randall | Roland-: Sounds like broken HW to me. |
| 14:26.53 | MACscr | yep |
| 14:28.04 | Roland- | it's not broken I've used this stick in windows and works fine |
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| 14:28.28 | MACscr | petn-randall: suggestions? Im not to good with this version of grub and especially the grub cli. I do know that i can type: root (hd0,1) and it says it sees an ext2 partition, which is correct |
| 14:29.17 | petn-randall | Roland-: Then something might still be reading/writing on that partition. You can use lsof/fuser to check that. |
| 14:30.02 | petn-randall | MACscr: No idea. Is that the complete error you get? I would expect more output from grub. |
| 14:30.03 | Roland- | umount 1388 root cwd DIR 8,1 4096 1966081 /mnt |
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| 14:30.08 | Roland- | that is what lsof reports |
| 14:30.39 | tremon | MACscr: do you get a grub menu at all, or does it fail before showing the menu? |
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| 14:31.47 | MACscr | tremon: i get the menu |
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| 14:32.57 | tremon | tremon: in that case, the grub command line should have a simple ls command (iirc). try ls ($root)/ |
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| 14:34.10 | Roland- | seems like I have keyboard access in reboot |
| 14:34.18 | tremon | MACscr: ^^ |
| 14:34.26 | Roland- | any keyboard shortcuts to force reboot ? |
| 14:34.31 | tremon | needs to stop speaking to himself |
| 14:34.34 | Roland- | without the sysrq key |
| 14:35.03 | tremon | Roland-: ctrl-alt-delete unless it's disabled by init |
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| 14:35.13 | Roland- | it's there |
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| 14:35.30 | Roland- | works, however it says please stand by while rebooting |
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| 14:35.39 | Roland- | and I hit ctrl alt delete again and same... |
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| 14:44.56 | Incentive | Petn-randall: looks like just under 2 hours to wipe 128GB |
| 14:45.08 | abrotman | with what?! |
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| 14:45.47 | Incentive | Debian installer |
| 14:45.55 | abrotman | to wipe? |
| 14:46.03 | abrotman | what are you wiping and what with? |
| 14:46.30 | Incentive | Encrypted LVM install, random data I assume, I don't know how the installer achieves that |
| 14:46.45 | Incentive | It's certainly not IO limited |
| 14:46.49 | abrotman | oh, so not wiping, encrypting |
| 14:47.08 | Incentive | No, erasing before encryption |
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| 14:48.06 | petn-randall | abrotman: Well, overwriting with random data. You must've missed the convo earlier. |
| 14:48.25 | abrotman | That's why I was curious about the wiping .. which doesn't sound like that's what's going on |
| 14:48.47 | Incentive | About 15-20MB/s ( I don't have an exact time ) |
| 14:49.08 | Incentive | When I get up and running I might benchmark /dev/urandom to see what I get |
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| 14:54.01 | thims | petn-randall: How many passes do you plan to make? Also, do you plan to trail the random with zeros? |
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| 14:57.54 | MACscr | ok, finally got the system to boot by just doing /dev/sda1 instead of the UUID and i removed some other stuff from the grub entry. I had to wipe the /dev/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net file as well to get the number regenerated correctly. Still cant seem to get the system to connect to the dhcp server though. odd stuff. Is there a wiki of settings that have to be reset when cloning a drive to for |
| 14:57.54 | MACscr | a new system? All my hardware is the same (have 10 identical systems). |
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| 14:59.30 | dvs | MACscr: hostname comes to mind. |
| 14:59.53 | MACscr | of course, but shouldnt cause problems with getting a simple dhcp ip |
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| 15:00.27 | MACscr | er, an ip from dhcp |
| 15:00.45 | tremon | MACscr: old leases file? explicit hostname set in dhclient.conf? |
| 15:01.28 | tremon | new interface is eth1 instead of eth0? |
| 15:01.33 | MACscr | tremon: if thats the case when it comes to an old lease file, whats the path so i can delete it on the original disk im cloning? |
| 15:01.52 | MACscr | nah, identical hardware, so numbering should be similar |
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| 15:02.21 | tremon | /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.* if using the isc client |
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| 15:02.24 | abrotman | MACscr: you can do a wild card match for tha tfile |
| 15:02.29 | Jonh24 | Hi all! |
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| 15:03.47 | Jonh24 | How to edit all headers in icedove before send msg? |
| 15:04.19 | abrotman | Edit them to do what? |
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| 15:06.39 | petn-randall | thims: I'm not ovewriting anything. Incentive used the debian installer to create a LUKS partition. |
| 15:06.51 | nounch | Hello. I'm trying to install Wheezy from the standard isohybrid CD (http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.2-i386-standard.iso). It works fine in a VM, but when I try to run the install procedure on a physical machine (slightly older notebook, not really old, though), I run into this error message right after the language/location/keyboard layout selection: "No kernel modules were found..." |
| 15:06.56 | nounch | this one: http://www.techyv.com/sites/default/files/users/haroldd1/Error-8.png |
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| 15:07.21 | abrotman | how did you prepare the USB stick ? |
| 15:07.27 | Incentive | Currently at t=2.5 hours on the installer :p almost there! |
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| 15:07.53 | abrotman | nounch: honestly, I'd use the CD1 or netinst, not the liveCD |
| 15:08.03 | ntrophimov | Hi guys! How can I change the background of the Xfce notification area? Changing the background color of the whole Xfce4-panel doesn't work as expected and now it looks like this - http://imageshack.com/a/img513/7954/n5cj.png. How can I change it? |
| 15:08.05 | nounch | Now I suspect that the real reason is some hardware incompatibility (old hardware which is not supported anymore?). This is the ISO I'm using: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.2-i386-standard.iso |
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| 15:08.15 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nounch about netinst |
| 15:08.30 | thims | petn-randall: Ah. |
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| 15:09.15 | danielc | Hi, I'm having a little trouble with the Java plugin and I hope anyone can help. I have the IcedTea-Web 1.4.1-1 installed (for Java) and sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. Even the official Java.com page [http://www.java.com/verify/] cannot detect it. Anyone known what could be the problem? |
| 15:09.19 | Jonh24 | abrotman: simple reason, I wanna don't send in Internet my icedove version, her build time, etc... |
| 15:09.25 | abrotman | danielc: which version fo Debian? |
| 15:09.32 | danielc | Testing |
| 15:09.36 | danielc | With lastest updated. |
| 15:09.40 | nounch | abrotman: Well, if I cannot figure it out, I will be force to use the netinstall anyway. Still I'm wondering what the actual reason for this message is. |
| 15:09.43 | danielc | I also tryied the one in unstable, no chance. |
| 15:09.44 | abrotman | danielc: wtf, why are you using icedtea1.4? |
| 15:10.00 | abrotman | nounch: it tells you .. kernel mismatch |
| 15:10.15 | abrotman | Jonh24: vaguely recall that you can alter this in your about:config for Icedove |
| 15:10.26 | nounch | abrotman: There is only one kernel involved, the one which is required for running the installer procedure. |
| 15:10.30 | danielc | Well, it is what it says on about:plugins |
| 15:10.40 | abrotman | nounch: okay, then the installer is a liar .. use the netinst |
| 15:10.51 | nounch | abrotman: I downloaded it a day ago. Was there a new kernel release in the meanwhile? |
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| 15:11.11 | abrotman | nounch: I hav eno idea .. I would *never* use the liveCD to install a system |
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| 15:11.29 | danielc | abrotman: which package should I install to have the Java plugin installed? |
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| 15:11.46 | nounch | abrotman: It explicitely *is* a installer CD, too. Besides, it works in a VM. |
| 15:11.47 | abrotman | danielc: Pretty sure there's an icedtea7 plugin |
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| 15:12.03 | abrotman | nounch: no, it's explicitly an *Live* CD .. the title says so |
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| 15:12.34 | nounch | abrotman: (Well, I'm not trying to convince you that not using the netinst is the better way. I'm simply wondering about this error.) |
| 15:12.42 | abrotman | the netinst is the better way |
| 15:12.56 | abrotman | nounch: the error is pretty clear, it's a kernel mismatch, I'm not sure what else you want. |
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| 15:13.31 | nounch | aboudreault: So the kernel used in the Wheezy (7.2) LiveCD is an old one? |
| 15:13.32 | rozie | nounch: you can also use debootstrap to install system, if you have live working |
| 15:13.33 | danielc | abrotman: this is the plugin installed by the icedtea-7-plugin package |
| 15:13.45 | danielc | The package version is 1.4.1-1 in unstable |
| 15:13.47 | abrotman | nounch: Again, I don't know, I would *never* use the liveCD to do an actual install. |
| 15:14.02 | rozie | abrotman: why not? |
| 15:14.05 | abrotman | nor would I ever recommend it |
| 15:14.10 | nounch | rozie: I know, but let us not go down that road. See the #debian logs from a while ago which state clearly why it is not a good idea in my case. |
| 15:14.13 | abrotman | rozie: because the netinst is smaller, and works? |
| 15:14.50 | nounch | abrotman: OK, what is your specific reason to not use the LiveCD? The creators thought it was a viable way to install a system. |
| 15:14.58 | danielc | Does the [http://www.java.com/verify/] show the right information for you? |
| 15:15.00 | rozie | abrotman: exept where it doesn't work. had problem with booting Debian from USB on one machine. Ubuntu booted like a charm |
| 15:15.05 | dvs | nounch: The installer in the live CD is more of an afterthought instead of a primary means. |
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| 15:15.23 | abrotman | It usually lags behind the official release, the netinst is smaller, I have an excessive broadband connection? |
| 15:15.45 | abrotman | rozie: I don't see how that's related to the Debian LiveCD? |
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| 15:16.21 | rozie | Ubuntu is liveCD. I used debootstrap from there to install Debian |
| 15:16.35 | cheater__ | hi |
| 15:16.40 | nounch | OK, thanks for your opinion. I will in fact try to use the netinstall, but for that I have to leave. Thanks! |
| 15:16.42 | abrotman | rozie: I'm talking about the Debian LiveCD compared to the Debian Netinst. But thanks for uh .. commenting |
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| 15:16.57 | rozie | nounch: Debian liveCD is not meant as a primary way of installing Debian |
| 15:17.02 | rozie | too late |
| 15:17.02 | abrotman | H'es gone . |
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| 15:17.40 | Jonh24 | abrotman: Look at mailnews.headers ;) Well done |
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| 15:20.03 | cheater__ | i have booted my server in rescue mode. the rescue system and the original system are "Debian 7" 64-bit. the original system's fs is mounted in /mnt/root/. I need to install a couple packages (openssh-client and openssh-server) to that system, because the binaries are corrupt. what's the best way to do that? (this was caused by a malware infection) |
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| 15:22.35 | Incentive | success. so, is there an easy way for me to benchmark /dev/urandom? |
| 15:22.38 | Incentive | can I just DD it to a file? |
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| 15:23.57 | Incentive | ah, there we go. |
| 15:24.19 | Incentive | 393913344 bytes (394 MB) copied, 30.4083 s, 13.0 MB/s - so that's the bottleneck, if it does just get entropy from there |
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| 15:24.43 | cheater__ | guys? anyone? is it possible to install a debian package by hand? |
| 15:24.55 | cheater__ | as in unpack it and install things by hand? |
| 15:25.43 | dvs | cheater__: what package? |
| 15:25.52 | cheater__ | dvs: see above |
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| 15:26.35 | dvs | cheater__: dpkg -i <deb_file> |
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| 15:26.57 | cheater__ | dvs: that will install in the rescue system, not in the system mounted in /mnt/root. |
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| 15:28.49 | petn-randall | cheater__: you can chroot into it, and then install them. But you can simply use apt-get to that then. Did you find the souce of the malware yet? How did you find it? |
| 15:28.54 | dvs | cheater__: dpkg -i <deb_file> --instdir=/mnt/root |
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| 15:29.26 | cheater__ | dpkg --root looks even better |
| 15:29.28 | dpkg | cheater__: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 15:29.45 | cheater__ | petn-randall: i don't want to chroot - chroot will use the dpkg of the affected system, which i don't want to execute |
| 15:29.57 | nounch | There I am again. The LiveCD is 7.2 while the netinst/CD1 is 7.3. Hence the kernel mismatch. |
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| 15:30.11 | cheater__ | petn-randall: i ran debsums on the mounted file system, and the only broken files were ssh and sshd. |
| 15:31.09 | nounch | I would prefer to use CD1 instead of the netinst, though, because I cannot really guarantee a stable network connection. Just installing CD1 without consecutively installing CD2-7 *is* an option, right? |
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| 15:31.29 | dvs | nounch: yes |
| 15:31.33 | nounch | Will there be forseeable consequences of just using CD1? |
| 15:31.46 | vimel | nounch: that should be enough to get you going yes. |
| 15:31.52 | nounch | (Besides not having all the packages in CD2-7, of course.) |
| 15:32.08 | dvs | nounch: you will have to edit your sources.list file to comment out the cD entry |
| 15:32.13 | vimel | nounch: maybe non-free firmware such as WLAN driver. |
| 15:32.16 | nounch | What is a good overview of packages to install after installing CD1, by the way? |
| 15:32.43 | nounch | I realized that with the install from the LiveCD even things like `curl' were missing. |
| 15:33.25 | petn-randall | nounch: There's no overview, since only you really know what you need. |
| 15:33.31 | nounch | vimel: That should be considered, yes, but they are in the `non-free' package repository, right? So I should be able to install them manually |
| 15:33.32 | nounch | . |
| 15:34.14 | vimel | nounch: once connected to the Internet sure. |
| 15:34.15 | cheater__ | thanks guys |
| 15:34.30 | dvs | nounch: which you're need a network connection to install anyway.s |
| 15:34.33 | nounch | petn-randall: Hmm. I was refering `standard' things like `*-utils' etc (`debian-goodies' etc.), but I'll figure it out, I guess. |
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| 15:35.08 | nounch | dvs: Sure. |
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| 15:35.11 | vimel | dvs: he can install the base system with cd 1 without a network connection. you can skip DHCP during install. |
| 15:35.53 | petn-randall | nounch: I think personal tastes vary so widely that there is no common concensus of what "needs" to be installed on a fresh system. |
| 15:36.04 | dvs | vimel: you can install a base system with netinst |
| 15:36.50 | vimel | dvs: right but hes asking about installing from CD 1. |
| 15:37.30 | nounch | Is this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-update-7.3.0-i386-CD-1.iso the latest installer CD1? |
| 15:37.42 | dvs | nounch: no |
| 15:37.43 | petn-randall | nounch: yes |
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| 15:37.51 | petn-randall | dvs: ? |
| 15:37.52 | dvs | petn-randall: it's an update CD |
| 15:38.01 | petn-randall | Oh right, missed that part. |
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| 15:39.30 | nounch | OH, it does say `update', sorry. |
| 15:39.54 | vimel | nounch: the one youre looking for is at the top. |
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| 15:40.14 | nounch | So this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.3.0-i386-CD-1.iso should be the correct CD1 then, I hope. |
| 15:40.24 | abrotman | or use the netinst .. |
| 15:40.24 | nounch | vimel: Thanks for pointing that out! |
| 15:40.24 | dvs | nounch: that's better |
| 15:40.30 | dvs | agrees |
| 15:40.37 | dvs | .... |
| 15:40.44 | vimel | np. that's the one. |
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| 15:41.25 | nounch | abrotman: I have to waste another CD, so I'll burn the CD1 to it right away instead of the netinst. |
| 15:41.26 | dvs | imposter! |
| 15:41.38 | cybrNaut- | is it necessary to make /swap a primary partition? |
| 15:41.41 | nounch | abrotman: Does not make much sense, but it should work just fine. |
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| 15:42.08 | cheater__ | dvs / petn-randall i get the following error when trying --root or --instdir: |
| 15:42.10 | cheater__ | dpkg: error processing --instdir=/mnt/root (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
| 15:42.10 | dpkg | cheater__: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 15:42.24 | cybrNaut- | is there anything to lose by putting /swap inside an extended partition? |
| 15:42.34 | nounch | cybrNaut-: Yes (in case you want to install other distros/version/systems besides the one that you are installing; given you want to use a swap partition with every one of them). |
| 15:42.36 | abrotman | nounch: why aren't you using CDRW or USB? |
| 15:42.49 | cheater__ | so instdir doesn't work. i'm a bit hosed here. i need to get this thing running :( |
| 15:42.51 | nounch | abrotman: Nothing here right now. |
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| 15:43.57 | dvs | cheater__: Then I'd copy the .deb files to /mnt/root, do a chroot, then try to install it. |
| 15:44.08 | cybrNaut- | nounch: okay, sounds fair enough... but i guess i don't need to share it if I have just one linux kernel and one darwin kernel |
| 15:44.15 | cheater__ | dvs: i wouldn't like to use the affected system's dpkg.. |
| 15:44.30 | cheater__ | maybe i should just unpack the debs and move the binaries by hand? |
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| 15:46.38 | j0b | if i want to build a custom debian package, where should i begin readuing? |
| 15:47.04 | j0b | have googled a bit, have seen different shit. someone was talking about maven |
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| 15:47.29 | j0b | there must be some consensus, allthough i can not find it |
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| 15:49.20 | j0b | pbuilder and dh_make.. |
| 15:49.34 | j0b | chroot.. arent there any more easy way of doing it |
| 15:50.54 | cybrNaut- | how big does /boot need to be for a wheezy kernel? 20mb? |
| 15:51.07 | abrotman | Why do you need a separate one? |
| 15:51.17 | abrotman | and 20MB wouldn't be nearly large enough |
| 15:51.51 | cybrNaut- | abrotman: /boot must be unencrypted, as I understand it, but / and everything else can be encrypted |
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| 15:52.54 | cybrNaut- | if i didn't have a /boot partition, wouldn't root then have to be unencrypted? |
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| 15:53.46 | flo___ | hi |
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| 15:54.01 | cybrNaut- | someone said they got 3 kernels inside of 43mb (http://superuser.com/questions/296260/minimum-size-of-a-boot-partition-on-debian) |
| 15:54.18 | cybrNaut- | but, those are older kernels |
| 15:54.24 | q3k | cybrNaut-: I usually give my /boot 128MB - plenty of space |
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| 15:54.29 | q3k | cybrNaut-: but I don't run debian kernels ;) |
| 15:54.41 | flo___ | i'm trying to test a new kernel (3.13.0 from git) under debian wheezy. I've compiled it, installed it using make modules_install and copying the boot image, and then i ran update-initramfs, which succeded. |
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| 15:55.18 | flo___ | however, when i boot the kernel, i cannot access my crypted root disk, i'm getting the hint "check whether your kernell supports aes-cbc-essiv:sha256". it does. |
| 15:55.19 | petn-randall | cybrNaut-: Make it at least 100 MB. Disk space is cheap and you at some point might want more than one kernel (for debugging purposes for example). |
| 15:55.36 | flo___ | any ideas why it does not work? maybe update-initramfs vs dracut-related? |
| 15:55.50 | q3k | flo___: crc32e in crypto extensions enabled? |
| 15:55.50 | cybrNaut- | q3k, petn-randall - thanks.. will allocate 128mb |
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| 15:56.22 | petn-randall | flo___: The 'proper' way to build your own kernel is with 'make deb-pkg'. It's probably missing the module in the initramfs. |
| 15:56.27 | abrotman | cybrNaut-: 100-150MB should suffice |
| 15:57.24 | flo___ | q3k: do you mean crc32c? i can't find -e? |
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| 15:58.21 | flo___ | petn-randall: so in the kernel tree, i do make configure, but then make deb-pkg? |
| 15:58.30 | flo___ | is it as simple as that? |
| 15:58.37 | cybrNaut- | is ext4 still experimental? or is that the norm now? |
| 15:58.42 | Incentive | how do I disable suspend on screen close? |
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| 15:58.47 | Incentive | laptop |
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| 16:01.40 | cybrNaut- | got my answer.. ext4 is no longer experimental (http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7271/) |
| 16:01.56 | abrotman | duh? |
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| 16:03.51 | thims | I think ext4 has been the choice in Debian since 5 or 6. Probably 6. |
| 16:04.14 | thims | I could be wrong on that though. |
| 16:04.14 | cybrNaut- | just a year ago, debian defaulted to ext3 i think |
| 16:04.26 | cybrNaut- | how do I check that? fdisk doesn't tell me |
| 16:04.39 | Incentive | 7.3 defaults to ext4 |
| 16:04.40 | flo___ | M( |
| 16:04.48 | thims | cybrNaut-: Oh. |
| 16:04.49 | Incentive | i seem to remember Ubuntu defaulting me to ext4 >2 years ago too |
| 16:04.53 | thims | removes foot from mouth |
| 16:04.54 | flo___ | i guess that i have to enable the dm-crypt feature :] |
| 16:05.31 | thims | Yeah, it was wheezy. |
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| 16:06.30 | cybrNaut- | my bad.. according to /etc/fstab, lenny was ext4 (by default i think) |
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| 16:08.32 | flo___ | cybrNaut-: i think lenny still used ext3 by default. |
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| 16:08.43 | flo___ | at least, i'm using debian since lenny, and have a ext3 partition. |
| 16:08.45 | thims | flo___: I was basing off of https://wiki.debian.org/NewInWheezy |
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| 16:09.18 | cybrNaut- | why am i being denied an extended partition? I have 3 primary partitions, so a new extended partition should count as the 4th primary |
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| 16:10.16 | cybrNaut- | i'm forced to use gparted, because this drive has some GPT something or other |
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| 16:10.24 | cybrNaut- | and gparted can't handle it |
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| 16:11.10 | vimel | gparted lets you recreate a GPT partition table. |
| 16:11.24 | ompaul | cybrNaut-: how big is the drive? |
| 16:11.36 | cybrNaut- | ompaul: 480gb |
| 16:11.52 | ompaul | cybrNaut-: then it does not *need* GPT |
| 16:12.02 | ompaul | cybrNaut-: over 3 gigs does |
| 16:12.17 | ompaul | cybrNaut-: single operating system? |
| 16:12.32 | cybrNaut- | ompaul: it's hackintosh/debian dual |
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| 16:12.47 | ompaul | cybrNaut-: so an apple box? |
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| 16:13.01 | Incentive | cybrNaut-, perhaps a bit late, but if it helps, my /boot has 19M used atm |
| 16:13.11 | Incentive | cybrNaut-, installer default made it 200MB |
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| 16:14.00 | cybrNaut- | first partition is 200 mb vfat, 2nd partition is ~50gb hfs+, 3rd is 128mb /boot, and I want the 4th to be extended |
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| 16:15.35 | cybrNaut- | Incentive: is that with wheezy? |
| 16:15.55 | Incentive | cybrNaut-, yes |
| 16:16.09 | Incentive | actually, my mistake. 228M not 200 |
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| 16:16.28 | Incentive | /dev/sda1228M 19M 198M 9% /boot |
| 16:17.18 | cnz | when I got to applications > system tools > prefrences > system settings all that happens is my mouse icon spins for a little bit then nothing, system settings never opens, any idea? |
| 16:17.26 | cybrNaut- | ah, i see why it's GPT. there were problems using the mbr with the apple installation, so i had to choose GUID |
| 16:17.42 | cheater__ | apples don't support mbr anymore. |
| 16:18.37 | cybrNaut- | well, fair enough.. but why can't gparted create a 4th primary partition as extended? |
| 16:19.04 | cybrNaut- | gparted grays the choice out |
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| 16:20.21 | ompaul | cybrNaut-: that's not GPT extended is a place where you can have many partitions but you don't use the "forth" per say |
| 16:20.22 | cnz | anyone? |
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| 16:20.33 | ompaul | extended is only a fat thing |
| 16:20.40 | ompaul | sorry |
| 16:20.45 | ompaul | extended is only a dos partition table thing |
| 16:21.25 | ompaul | cybrNaut-: GPT has no such restriction |
| 16:21.59 | cybrNaut- | hmm.. sounds better if i can have as many primaries as I want |
| 16:22.32 | Incentive | cnz, try 'gnome-control-center' in terminal |
| 16:22.38 | Incentive | cnz, you may get a useful error message |
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| 16:23.21 | cybrNaut- | i just hope i won't have to enter a password for each partition |
| 16:23.34 | cybrNaut- | if i cant control the mount order, i guess that won't be a problem |
| 16:23.50 | cybrNaut- | s/cant/can/ |
| 16:24.12 | cnz | Incentive: http://pastebin.com/yDa8bVqY |
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| 16:24.42 | Incentive | is there a way to change the gnome behaviour that causes applications to bring the previous instance to the foreground rather than opening a new instance |
| 16:24.51 | Incentive | example: I have a root terminal open |
| 16:25.03 | Incentive | if I press windows key and type root term... then press enter |
| 16:25.25 | Incentive | instead of opening a new one (behaviour on right click -> new window) it shows me the one that's already open |
| 16:26.09 | vimel | Incentive: if you are using Gnome 3 you can have a look at gnome extensions. A quick Google search will link you to the site. Tinker w one of the extensions. It may get you the result you are looking for. |
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| 16:28.17 | Incentive | vimel: thanks. https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/600/launch-new-instance/ for anyone else that may have been interested. |
| 16:28.43 | vimel | Incentive: yw. |
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| 16:30.51 | cnz | anyone have any idea about this error http://pastebin.com/yDa8bVqY |
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| 16:34.28 | vimel | cnz: this says its an issue with video driver http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=107339 |
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| 16:38.54 | donvito | hello were can i get debian server iso ? |
| 16:39.13 | eblip | wow i always thought it was just debian |
| 16:39.22 | eblip | didnt realise you had to get a server version |
| 16:39.22 | Brigo | donvito: there is no so "debian server", there is only debian stable |
| 16:39.40 | donvito | well i need debian without X display |
| 16:39.46 | donvito | sorry for my stupid question than |
| 16:39.48 | frostschutz | the real interesting question would be, where can you get the debian desktop iso ;) |
| 16:39.55 | krababbel | donvito: In the installer you just unselect 'desktop' |
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| 16:40.07 | eblip | you want command line debian |
| 16:40.08 | donvito | so i need to get the netinstall package right? |
| 16:40.14 | eblip | like whern you install centos |
| 16:40.23 | frostschutz | donvito, if you have an internet connection, the netinstall is fine |
| 16:40.26 | krababbel | donvito: would be fine, yes |
| 16:40.37 | eblip | i think you get hte debian......any instgall will do |
| 16:40.45 | eblip | and if you dont want a desktop manager |
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| 16:40.54 | eblip | jsut dont select it |
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| 16:41.02 | donvito | so i need to go to advanced install right? |
| 16:41.09 | eblip | yes |
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| 16:41.18 | donvito | thanks guys sorry for misunderstanding |
| 16:41.20 | eblip | but really first i would go fo r a minimal install |
| 16:41.36 | donvito | im caming from ubuntu server, thats why i thought debby has a server version too |
| 16:41.45 | eblip | and then i think there is an option to not get the gnome desktop environment |
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| 16:42.34 | donvito | i want to install in virtual box for test purposes only will that be okey? |
| 16:42.52 | eblip | think that will be fine |
| 16:43.10 | socomm | Is there a server version of Debian yet? |
| 16:43.12 | socomm | ducks |
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| 16:43.27 | asdfguy | hi folks, i've got a problem with my debian testing (debian 3.12-1.amd64 kernel, gnome 3 environment): if i press the shutdown button in the menu, the popup where i can choose whether i want to abort, restart or shutdown, but when i click one of them, nothing happens but one single bleep. shutdown via (root-)terminal didn't work either, only way i can shut down is holding down the power button. |
| 16:43.33 | asdfguy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:44.04 | donvito | wich version should i install? i386? |
| 16:44.19 | Brigo | asdfguy: this channel is for debian stable, for testing try debian-next |
| 16:44.29 | vimel | asdfguy: same issue and system on my end. i switched to xfce. seems to have less issues on jessie. |
| 16:44.43 | asdfguy | thanks! |
| 16:44.44 | socomm | donvito: depends on your processor, x86 is usually a safe choice though |
| 16:45.00 | krababbel | donvito: I always just chose the default install item, not advanced, should be enough. You always get to the tasksel menu near the end where you chose desktop or not |
| 16:45.05 | donvito | so i386 will be ok? |
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| 16:45.59 | krababbel | donvito: probably, that's a standard pc, but if you need more than 4GB RAM, use 64bit |
| 16:46.08 | donvito | thanks |
| 16:47.23 | socomm | donvito: x86 should be fine, there are also PAE kernels if you're using more than 4G of ram. |
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| 16:47.37 | thims | socomm: lol |
| 16:47.43 | donvito | it will be in virtualbox for start |
| 16:47.50 | donvito | than ill see if debian can do the job |
| 16:48.01 | socomm | thims: you are having the lols, m8? |
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| 16:48.21 | socomm | donvito: you'll be fine |
| 16:49.35 | thims | donvito: Yeah, you don't have to choose the advanced option. Do a normal install and as eblip said, when you come to the package selection page, simple unselect all checked boxes excepot for "base system". This is equivelent to ubuntu server. You will have to install a few minimal packages to bring the system up to the definition of an "up to date" system. (EG. vim, screen, make, gcc, etc, etc.) |
| 16:50.07 | thims | socomm: Yeah, your foolery and dodging the expected frustration gave me a laugh. :) |
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| 16:50.42 | donvito | thank you thims |
| 16:50.50 | thims | donvito: With Linux, it's not necessarily about if the distro can do the job, but if you can. |
| 16:50.51 | donvito | im downloading netinstall right now for few minutes will try it |
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| 16:51.17 | donvito | no thims, im doing the job i use oscam on ubuntu and it crash every 40 minutes |
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| 16:51.31 | donvito | all ppl say that debian in that way is more stable so here im giving a chance to debby |
| 16:51.40 | thims | donvito: Your welcome. Don't be afraid to break Linux, that's how one learns. But with breaking it, be sure you learn it and not just Google the solution. |
| 16:52.04 | donvito | true |
| 16:52.06 | thims | donvito: It is more traditional and more conservative on the definition of stable release. |
| 16:52.21 | thims | Though this still brings problems on some systems from time to time. |
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| 16:53.41 | BisouGlorf | Hi |
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| 16:54.23 | BisouGlorf | my apt-get dist-upgrade is stuck on "Paramétrage de lvm2 (2.02.104-1) ..." for at least 20min |
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| 16:57.23 | napsc | I recently decided to return to Debian from Arch. Being accustomed to Arch for several months, Stable was just a bit too stable for me so I thought I'd try testing. Long story short... really borked gnome. I just wanted to make sure I didn't make any stupid mistakes upgrading. I changed the etc/sources conf and changed wheezy to testing and updated/upgraded. Is there anything else I should have done? |
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| 16:58.05 | centrx | BisouGlorf, Can you look at the process list to see what it is doing? |
| 16:58.22 | mtn | napsc: did you use dist-upgrade? |
| 16:58.24 | vimel | napsc: apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. other than that no. |
| 16:58.26 | centrx | napsc, Probably dist-upgrade instead of upgrade |
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| 16:58.45 | napsc | yes, i did a dist-upgrade too |
| 16:58.58 | napsc | went to 3.12 kernel if i rememeber |
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| 16:59.36 | socomm | Isn't clean install recommended when moving from stable to testing. |
| 16:59.39 | centrx | napsc, What is broken about Gnome? I have not had a problem with testing since the old days, but I don't use Gnome |
| 16:59.39 | donvito | should i chose graphical install right? |
| 16:59.41 | socomm | I thought I'd read that somewhere. |
| 16:59.54 | socomm | donvito: do you need GUI? if this is a server, probably not. |
| 17:00.09 | donvito | only install ? |
| 17:00.20 | thims | socomm: I would guess so. So many package versions would change to supply the requirements of the dev packages. It is probably a preferred method. |
| 17:00.31 | socomm | donvito: I usually just isntall base os + ssh, when installing server |
| 17:00.37 | donvito | okk |
| 17:00.37 | thims | napsc: Any error output or anything of the sort from Gnome or associated packages? |
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| 17:00.44 | napsc | centrx, graphics, login shell, panels... all gibberish. Running intel graphics |
| 17:00.44 | krababbel | donvito: I think you mean the installer, doesn't matter |
| 17:00.51 | socomm | donvito: unless you plan on running Apache or MySQL, which can be install directly from net install |
| 17:01.25 | centrx | napsc, Can you get out of the GUI and back to the console |
| 17:01.36 | krababbel | donvito: after you partitionet the drives and so on, you'll get to choose if you want to install a GUI on the server |
| 17:01.43 | centrx | napsc, You may just need to install the right graphics driver package |
| 17:01.54 | thims | napsc: Check "dmesg" and look into /var/faillog? |
| 17:02.21 | thims | /var/log/failog* |
| 17:03.15 | napsc | this, was a 'fresh' install so i wasn't overly concered with logs... but yes, i could use a different tty and logon. and startx to a different console (and that one was alright) but the default f7 stayed messed up. |
| 17:03.28 | thims | I might retract my later statement. Depending. |
| 17:04.04 | napsc | since it was a flaten/install i just put back stable and thought I'd check |
| 17:04.26 | napsc | to see if i missed something |
| 17:04.34 | thims | napsc: ensure that a process is not being delayed on boottime and check to see if the execution of gnome from the terminal after boot has happened doesn't spawn a process that is excluded from boot? |
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| 17:05.30 | thims | A failed system process boot that aspects of gnome may depend on could have failled during boot, but succeeded after boot. Thus giving a broken gnome by default boot. But a working gnome on initiation. |
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| 17:06.23 | cnz | ok I installed drivers and now when I am at gdm's login I enter the info and go to login it goes to a black screen like it's going to load x then goes back to the gdm login screen |
| 17:06.25 | cnz | no errors nothing |
| 17:06.30 | cnz | any idea? |
| 17:07.13 | napsc | thank you everyone... I will check the logs to see if anything hung. just wanted to make sure the process was correct. |
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| 17:07.46 | thims | cnz: what does /etc/X11/default-display-manager hold? |
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| 17:08.03 | DelphiWorld | hi debianists |
| 17:08.06 | cnz | thims: how do I gcheck? |
| 17:08.06 | DelphiWorld | Quick question |
| 17:08.23 | DelphiWorld | what's the best way to sync 2 folders in 2 diferent remote servers? |
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| 17:08.28 | DelphiWorld | not sghare, but syncronise |
| 17:08.31 | thims | napsc: Yeah, if gnome boots fine manually, after boot. Then odds are your issue is with a dependant process hanging at the time gnome tries to boot. |
| 17:08.40 | centrx | rsync ? |
| 17:08.49 | thims | cnz: "nano /etc/X11/default-display-manager" |
| 17:08.59 | CissWit | yes, rsync is the obvious answer |
| 17:09.11 | thims | CissWit: The best way to. |
| 17:09.15 | DelphiWorld | CissWit: but isn't rsync do full backup and not only sync? |
| 17:09.27 | CissWit | it sync, so its nice for backups too |
| 17:09.31 | cnz | thims: all it shows in there is /usr/bin/gdm3 |
| 17:09.34 | DelphiWorld | any networked filesystem? |
| 17:09.40 | thims | DelphiWorld: rsync has very exstensive arguments and options of just what you want to sync. Check out the man page. |
| 17:10.09 | DelphiWorld | thims: |
| 17:10.13 | DelphiWorld | what about sshfs |
| 17:10.29 | CissWit | you won't synchronise with sshfs, you will mount remote folder |
| 17:10.32 | CissWit | thats completly different |
| 17:10.49 | DelphiWorld | CissWit: except of sync, any other solution? |
| 17:10.58 | socomm | DelphiWorld: rsync |
| 17:11.20 | thims | I have never really used it, but just fiddeling once. DelphiWorld if it suits your needs, then it should work out fine. However I was thinking sshfs was a secure means of mounting a remote drive locally. This will work, but you then will have to bring in a third party application to do the backing up and management. |
| 17:11.23 | socomm | DelphiWorld: you can use NFS or GFS |
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| 17:11.40 | socomm | DelphiWorld: but then you are 'sharing' a common FS not synching. |
| 17:11.41 | DelphiWorld | socomm: but nfs share or sync? |
| 17:11.47 | cnz | thims: is my default-display-manager missing something? |
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| 17:12.54 | thims | cnz: No, it is fine. I was just curious though it was a shallow question on my part. |
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| 17:13.13 | cnz | thims: oh ok, any ideas what the issue might be? |
| 17:13.53 | thims | cnz: I don't know. It sounds like gdm is just launching a plain X session and not spawning Gnome. I would say look around /etc/X11 for relative files. But I don't use gnome so I forget what the config file structure is. |
| 17:13.56 | socomm | DelphiWorld: a share might be more efficient than a sync, as you don't unecessarily waste disk space, but then I'm uncertain what your ultimate goal is |
| 17:14.10 | thims | cnz: Not really no. What did you do prior to the issue arising? |
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| 17:14.42 | DelphiWorld | socomm: no, i have 2 servers in internet, would love to have a syncing system, if i put file1 in server1 i'lle love it to be synced with server2 |
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| 17:14.57 | kRush | rsync |
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| 17:15.29 | thims | DelphiWorld: You could possibly even use git, then make some bash scripts to automate pushing the changes to the other server. But this is essentially a hacked up rsync. |
| 17:15.50 | socomm | DelphiWorld: rsync+cron |
| 17:15.51 | DelphiWorld | lollollollollol thims |
| 17:15.59 | DelphiWorld | thims: geek |
| 17:16.13 | thims | DelphiWorld: Lol, you wanted availability of options. ;) |
| 17:16.24 | DelphiWorld | thims: but realy geek |
| 17:16.29 | cnz | thims: when I try to log into x it goes to a black screen like it's going to load then just goes back to the login screen |
| 17:16.30 | socomm | murmurs something about bittorrent sync |
| 17:16.31 | cnz | no errors |
| 17:16.42 | DelphiWorld | socomm: :) |
| 17:16.45 | cnz | I have three monitors hooked up right now |
| 17:16.47 | DelphiWorld | no, torrent forbiden |
| 17:17.16 | socomm | DelphiWorld: btsync is not torrent, but I still wouldn't recommended it for production machines |
| 17:17.33 | DelphiWorld | socomm: it's not realy production but custom |
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| 17:18.00 | socomm | DelphiWorld: just use rsync and be done with it |
| 17:18.05 | macaroni | running debian sid , updated system for first time in a couple months, now im getting gl errors in 3D applications. any ideas? |
| 17:18.10 | DelphiWorld | socomm: that what i'm trying now |
| 17:18.33 | thims | cnz: Is it an AMD GPU? |
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| 17:19.02 | socomm | Are we playing guess who? |
| 17:19.15 | socomm | Is he overweight and have a unkept beard? |
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| 17:19.31 | thims | No, and no. |
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| 17:20.17 | thims | socomm: A bittorrent sync would be sort of cool. Automated, completely decentralized, and self correcting? |
| 17:20.29 | lord-carlos | Hi, I got debian testing and while doing an dist-upgrade I got an error with samba. It looks like samba-common needs samba-common-bin and the other way around. http://pastebin.com/LiSaSBxY |
| 17:20.51 | thims | wonders why the IT Market doesn't get behind linux |
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| 17:21.03 | ChibaPet | Eh? |
| 17:21.09 | cnz | how do I see what display my monitors are on |
| 17:21.11 | mtn | #debian-next on the oftc.net server is the best place to get help with sid or testing |
| 17:21.13 | DelphiWorld | thims ... lol |
| 17:21.15 | cnz | like display 0 1 2 etc |
| 17:21.52 | BisouGlorf | cnz : can't join #debian-next, need an invitation |
| 17:21.53 | lord-carlos | ty |
| 17:22.00 | thims | cnz: /etc/X11/xorg.conf. However, gnome may not have generated one and you may need to do so manually if you are running tri-heads and have not. |
| 17:22.36 | cnz | thims: yes I am running three monitors |
| 17:22.54 | DelphiWorld | thank thims and socomm |
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| 17:23.35 | cnz | thims: there is an xorg.conf generated |
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| 17:24.31 | thims | Alright. Then I don't know enough about gnome to lead you further. As long as /var/log/xorg.0.log does not show any apparent errors, and your display is working enough to show gdm, it seems like an issue in the configuration of gnome. |
| 17:24.50 | thims | Possibly look into what gdm is setup to launch after authentication succeeds. |
| 17:25.05 | thims | Possibly /etc/gdm/* ? |
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| 17:25.48 | cnz | thims: Im not sure im lost at this point |
| 17:26.15 | cnz | how do I see what gdm is trying to launch |
| 17:26.17 | macaroni | anyone know what would cause gl errors in after an update? |
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| 17:28.15 | cnz | thims: do you know how I enable usb mouse support on boot via console |
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| 17:28.30 | acerspyro | Hello, I don't know if anyone has an answer to this question, but my iMac G3 running debian 7 suddently stopped doing its startup chime. I remember playing in the alsa controls, but I can still play sounds. |
| 17:28.32 | thims | cnz: gdm should have it's own configuration files directory in /etc/X11. I would guess /etc/X11/gdm. Further from this generality, I don't know specifics of which file will contain what. Possibly /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession? |
| 17:29.11 | cnz | thims: I have no clue Im lost as hell and seems like no one knows any answers |
| 17:29.28 | thims | cnz: check you /etc/X11/xorg.conf for your mouse support and troubleshoot using Xorg.0.conf? |
| 17:29.39 | thims | cnz: Have you tried #ubuntu? |
| 17:29.42 | cnz | that's for xwindows |
| 17:29.49 | cnz | im talking about mouse support on boot in console |
| 17:29.56 | cnz | as in ttys |
| 17:29.57 | wols | cnz: start gpm |
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| 17:30.03 | cnz | that's what I am in right now I Have no gui |
| 17:30.08 | thims | cnz: I was referring to you earlier question. |
| 17:30.22 | acerspyro | cnz: Install GPM and start the service. |
| 17:30.35 | cnz | acerspyro: uumm it is started |
| 17:30.40 | cnz | just can't login |
| 17:30.52 | cnz | it goes to black screen like it's going to load then exits back to the gdm login |
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| 17:30.55 | cnz | no errors nothing |
| 17:31.03 | acerspyro | Hmm |
| 17:31.03 | cnz | no errors in xorg.log either |
| 17:31.04 | wols | why can't you login? and for login you never need a mouse but a keyboard |
| 17:31.04 | jhutchins | . |
| 17:31.10 | acerspyro | Have you selected a desktop to load? Which one? |
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| 17:31.18 | wols | cnz: then you are already in X. gdm is X! |
| 17:31.28 | acerspyro | wols: he was talking about mouse cursor on console. |
| 17:31.34 | cnz | wols: so then why won't it load a desktop? |
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| 17:31.54 | acerspyro | Now, he's talking that his DE probably can't be found, so GDM figures it has stopped and brings him back to login screen |
| 17:31.55 | wols | cnz: cause you have an error somewhere. look into your ~ |
| 17:32.05 | cnz | acerspyro: oohh sorry I thought you were referring to the first issue |
| 17:32.16 | acerspyro | cnz: no prob |
| 17:32.25 | cnz | wols: what file should I check for errors |
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| 17:33.19 | jhutchins | cnz: Look at the ownership of the files in your home directory. |
| 17:33.20 | wols | cnz: .xsession-errors |
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| 17:35.51 | cnz | wols: can I pm you the input in that file im in console only so no way to use a pastebin |
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| 17:36.13 | acerspyro | cnz: I think there's a pastebin tool usable from terminal |
| 17:36.20 | cnz | oh? |
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| 17:36.28 | wols | no |
| 17:36.32 | acerspyro | yes |
| 17:36.37 | wols | !nopaste |
| 17:36.38 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 17:36.40 | acerspyro | I already used it when my video driver crapped on me |
| 17:36.45 | cnz | any idea what it is |
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| 17:37.02 | acerspyro | looking for it |
| 17:37.09 | cnz | cool thnks |
| 17:37.11 | acerspyro | Don't hate, I'm on SUSE atm, so it might differ. |
| 17:37.34 | biketron | Some Debian-Installer specialists online this evening? |
| 17:37.35 | cnz | wols: btw, im usimg 3 displays |
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| 17:37.52 | acerspyro | wgetpaste? |
| 17:38.39 | jhutchins | !pastebinit |
| 17:38.40 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 17:39.02 | acerspyro | YES, it was pastebinit |
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| 17:40.09 | socomm | biketron: evenning? its 9:40 in the morning |
| 17:40.18 | biketron | not here |
| 17:40.29 | acerspyro | socomm: we have diff. times, note that |
| 17:40.48 | cnz | now to try and figure out how to use it |
| 17:40.59 | acerspyro | cnz: there's a neat command called "man" |
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| 17:42.04 | jhutchins | You can also set up GPM so you can do copy/paste in lynx. |
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| 17:43.27 | wols | jhutchins: it truly is sunday. the damn factoids fully spell out out to use it! |
| 17:44.36 | jhutchins | Ayuh. |
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| 17:45.43 | jhutchins | Kinda like when the error message that says exactly what to do gets posted here. |
| 17:46.08 | biketron_ | my problem is, that i have to modify the inittab during preseeding to get the right console interface. Normally this should be done via an skript which modifies the inittab. However anything in the skript works exept the inittab step. My idea for Workaround was, that i just create an Package which replaces the inittab, but this results in an complete installer freeze. |
| 17:46.10 | cnz | jhutchins: yeah that's a little complicated |
| 17:46.22 | cnz | no idea how to find the link using lynx |
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| 17:49.00 | cnz | acerspyro: how do you use pastebinit |
| 17:49.06 | cnz | I can't figure it out even reading man pages |
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| 17:50.12 | wols | !pastebinit |
| 17:50.12 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 17:50.18 | wols | maybe you figure it out now? |
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| 17:51.14 | wols | and there is a reason why pastebinit is not a good idea to use |
| 17:51.22 | wols | which is _also_ in the factoid! |
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| 17:51.45 | babilen | wols: Take a look at its code to find another. (well hundreds) |
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| 17:52.17 | wols | babilen: that is beside the point. we are talking about cnz here... |
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| 17:52.36 | cnz | wols: http://paste.debian.net/79801/ |
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| 17:54.28 | DelphiWorld | back |
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| 17:54.41 | DelphiWorld | socomm or thims, i added a cron. how do i know if it's active or no? |
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| 17:56.43 | jhutchins | DelphiWorld: Add a line that echos text, which will create an email, or use logger to write to the syslog. |
| 17:57.12 | DelphiWorld | ok, but now how do i know if my cron is allready in the cronlists? |
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| 17:57.44 | DelphiWorld | jhutchins: got it? |
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| 17:58.29 | cnz | anyone have any idea about that error? |
| 17:59.00 | socomm | DelphiWorld: crontab -l |
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| 17:59.57 | DelphiWorld | socomm no cron for root... wth |
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| 18:00.06 | wols | stop gdm and run startx to start gnome |
| 18:00.30 | ompaul | DelphiWorld: run the following command crontab -e |
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| 18:00.36 | ompaul | DelphiWorld: as root |
| 18:00.44 | cnz | wols: is killing the process fine or is there a better way to stop it |
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| 18:01.29 | DelphiWorld | but why it's saying no cron for root |
| 18:01.43 | ompaul | because you didn't set one up before |
| 18:01.48 | DelphiWorld | this cron is not user specific |
| 18:02.30 | cnz | wols: startx does nothing |
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| 18:03.21 | nounch | Hello. I've installed Wheezy from CD1 which then automatically installed Gnome which I can live without. Trying to remove it with `apt-get remove gnome' does not seem to work. |
| 18:03.44 | DelphiWorld | socomm, is there any way to show sync progress? |
| 18:03.50 | ompaul | nounch: define does not work |
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| 18:03.52 | nounch | A real proble is also that killing the running X process does not work either since it automatically restarts. |
| 18:04.07 | nounch | ompaul: `define'? What do you mean? |
| 18:04.31 | ompaul | nounch: exactly, I want to know what you mean by "does not seem to work" also what command are you using for "killing X" |
| 18:04.58 | centrx | nounch, dpkg -l |grep gnome |cut -d ' ' -f 3 |xargs dpkg --purge |
| 18:05.12 | krababbel | nounch: why not just reinstall without gnome |
| 18:05.31 | centrx | What is this, Windows |
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| 18:06.05 | nounch | ompaul: `kill -9' for killing and definition: `apt-get remove gnome' seems to remove the `gnome' package, but the login screen cruft etc. will still show up penetrantly. |
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| 18:06.08 | ompaul | centrx: sometimes 10 minutes installing is faster than a hour uninstalling (your values may vary) |
| 18:06.22 | nounch | krababbel: I sucks up time. |
| 18:06.22 | ompaul | nounch: gdm3 |
| 18:06.41 | nounch | ompaul: Let's see. |
| 18:06.46 | donvito | netinstall is just so fast :) |
| 18:06.50 | ompaul | nounch: service gdm3 stop |
| 18:07.25 | nounch | ompaul: `apt-get remove gdm3' |
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| 18:07.36 | cnz | wols: startx loads a blank screen then floods the tty I started startx from with No protocol specified |
| 18:07.39 | ompaul | nounch: yes |
| 18:07.55 | centrx | nounch, Uninstalling gnome is like peeling and onion |
| 18:07.59 | centrx | an |
| 18:08.14 | ompaul | nounch: bottom line doing a reinstall is rather faster and smarter as centrx just pointed out it will make you cry |
| 18:08.18 | socomm | DelphiWorld: --progress, but its kinda useless if you run it as a cronjob |
| 18:08.34 | DelphiWorld | socomm: lol, i have both manual & cron dont wory:-P |
| 18:08.37 | DelphiWorld | thank socomm ! |
| 18:08.52 | nounch | centrx: I did the whole uninstalling thing in the past. It did kind of work. |
| 18:08.56 | cnz | wols: any other ideas? |
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| 18:10.04 | nounch | OK, now `apt-get install xorg' will result in `Media change: please insert the disc labeled "Debian..." in the drive...'. |
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| 18:11.23 | ompaul | nounch: vi /etc/apt/sources.list and in there put a # |
| 18:11.29 | tbx1024 | nounch: are you connected to the internet? if so, try removing the CDROM line from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:11.31 | ompaul | nounch: in front of the lines with the CD in them |
| 18:11.34 | nounch | I guess installing CD1 was a bad idea right from the start. Why did it come with Gnome anyway. It did not say so. |
| 18:11.51 | cnz | hhmm looks like no one knows how to fix complicated problems |
| 18:14.10 | DelphiWorld | socomm, rsync -P -avz root@MyDearDebian:/opt/media /opt |
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| 18:15.05 | nounch | Was there a `Desktop' option in the selection list during the install from CD (The screen where you selecet whether you want a file server/SQL DB/etc.)? I cannot remember. |
| 18:16.32 | DelphiWorld | slap helal with his moon |
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| 18:16.59 | nounch | Or is CD1 just the wrong ISO to take when the goal is installing a `headless' standard Debian? Which would be the right ISO then (besides `netinst')? |
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| 18:17.38 | helal | slaps DelphiWorld around a bit with a large trout |
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| 18:19.09 | nounch | OK, commenting out the cdrom line in `sources.list', then `apt-get autoremove', then `apt-get install xorg' did the trick. |
| 18:19.09 | centrx | nounch, There is a Desktop option in tasksel |
| 18:19.12 | nounch | Thanks! |
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| 18:19.34 | nounch | centrx: Shoot. It was auto-checked and I missed to uncheck it. So it is definetly my fault. |
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| 18:21.13 | cnz | wols: fixed |
| 18:21.28 | cnz | there were three lines I added in /etc/profile |
| 18:21.36 | nounch | Great, now all the Gnome apps have messed up everything. The WM is recognizing the Gnome terminal as standard terminal emulator etc. |
| 18:21.38 | cnz | I commented those out and everything was fine |
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| 18:23.27 | nounch | After running `apt-get remove gnome-*' the annoying Gnome applications are gone, but do you expect there to be other major annoyances caused by the Gnome residues? |
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| 18:24.06 | centrx | nounch, nah |
| 18:24.21 | centrx | nounch, You can use deborphan to get rid of orphaned library packages |
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| 18:24.35 | centrx | And apt-get autoremove |
| 18:24.50 | slikts | after I use an iptables command, does iptables need to be restarted for it to take effect? |
| 18:25.06 | slikts | I want to get something like this working: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 172.17.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 18:25.35 | slikts | 172.17 is my vpn subnet, and I can connect to it and the clients can access the lan, but the traffic isn't forwarded to wan |
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| 18:25.56 | slikts | I'm at a loss about how to debug it |
| 18:26.13 | slikts | I mean troubleshoot it |
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| 18:27.04 | cnz | so is there any other support channels? |
| 18:27.07 | cnz | for debian? |
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| 18:27.44 | nounch | `sudo: command not found' - WHAT?` |
| 18:27.47 | centrx | cnz, There are a lot, also on OFTC |
| 18:28.01 | nounch | Did I just autoremove `sudo'? |
| 18:28.05 | cnz | centrx: oftc? |
| 18:28.22 | centrx | cnz, Another IRC network |
| 18:29.00 | cnz | mark@asylum:~$ gnome-control-center |
| 18:29.02 | cnz | Segmentation fault |
| 18:29.04 | cnz | mark@asylum:~$ |
| 18:29.06 | cnz | I keep getting this error |
| 18:29.09 | cnz | and system settings won't open |
| 18:29.26 | oxez_ | nounch: if sudo was installed as a dependency of a gnome apckage and you autoremoved those, it was uninstalled |
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| 18:30.04 | centrx | cnz, OFTC split from Freenode in 2001. It has the "official" Debian channel |
| 18:30.14 | dak | I have a great question, how come when I "sudo mount blahblah" it mounts everything as the last user added to the system? |
| 18:30.36 | thims | slikts: Packet sniff the network to see what packets are being sent and to where? |
| 18:31.24 | thims | I believe with a DMZ you would then have to setup a masquerade rule to act as the gateway and redirect all traffic to said "gateway" through the parent router and to the Internet. |
| 18:31.32 | thims | Or "DMZ" even. |
| 18:32.17 | nounch | oxez_: That is exactly what just happended. Probably Gnome now robbed me of quite some other important packages. |
| 18:32.38 | thims | The above appears like it would connect two networks, but not necessarily bring into consideration the required masquerading for leaving the router. However, I am not network specialist. |
| 18:32.49 | oxez_ | nounch: well it probably asked you to confirm before autoremoving them |
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| 18:34.02 | krababbel | slikts: should pick up the rules immediately I think |
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| 18:34.29 | thims | krababbel: It would. |
| 18:34.41 | Blue1 | having some problems with mysql says it can't to /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock -- this is what the file looks like: -rwxrwxrwx 1 mysql mysql 0 Feb 2 11:22 mysqld.sock |
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| 18:35.20 | thims | BenNZ: check "lsof | grep mysqld.sock" |
| 18:35.26 | nounch | oxez_: Sure, it was a large list, though. |
| 18:35.37 | thims | Err. |
| 18:35.38 | nounch | oxez_: Still my fault, to be clear. |
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| 18:35.51 | thims | Blue1: Check "lsof | grep mysqld.sock" |
| 18:36.23 | kale | is compiz only in testing? |
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| 18:37.10 | socomm | people still use compiz? |
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| 18:37.24 | kale | well not when i cannot find the package |
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| 18:38.21 | Blue1 | thims: thanks |
| 18:38.52 | thims | Blue1: Did it stir epiphany from within you? |
| 18:38.56 | Blue1 | thims: it just comes back with a prompt |
| 18:39.25 | Blue1 | sorry no epiphany |
| 18:40.57 | thims | Blue1: What is the exact error message? |
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| 18:42.45 | Blue1 | thims: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111) |
| 18:42.58 | cnz | mark@asylum:~$ gnome-control-center |
| 18:43.00 | cnz | Segmentation fault |
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| 18:43.02 | cnz | mark@asylum:~$ |
| 18:43.04 | cnz | anyone |
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| 18:43.58 | cnz | mark@asylum:~$ gnome-control-center |
| 18:44.00 | cnz | Segmentation fault |
| 18:44.02 | cnz | mark@asylum:~$ |
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| 18:44.57 | thims | Blue1: I would try "/etc/init.d/mysqld stop", then check if /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock still exists. If it does, look into the mysqld daemon that was terminated inproperly. If not, try restarting it. |
| 18:45.03 | Blue1 | thims: I have noted in a system that works the permissions are set: srwxrwxrwx for mysqld.sock but on the system that is failing it is set: -rwxrwxrwt which is different |
| 18:45.36 | thims | You can try different varying combinations of the above stated. Try to shut it down, check if the file still exists, delete the file manually, then try and restart it. |
| 18:45.37 | j0b | dangerous as fuck would i say |
| 18:45.49 | thims | Blue1: Try setting the sticky bit then. See "man chmod" |
| 18:46.07 | thims | is ignorant |
| 18:46.34 | thims | j0b: ? |
| 18:46.44 | thims | Blue1: Nevermind my words on the sticky bit. |
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| 18:48.00 | jorb | so anyone with experience with libvirtd ? |
| 18:48.13 | jorb | i'm trying to debug why it wont start up |
| 18:48.20 | thims | j0b: Isn't the socket file a temporary file used for communicating? |
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| 18:48.26 | jorb | on debian stable, using it from backports |
| 18:48.43 | Blue1 | thims that seemed to have worked -- i checked the man for chmod and it just said chmod 1777 |
| 18:48.45 | nounch | `dpkg --set-selection < selectionfile' gives `dpkg: warning: package not in database (...)'. Do I have to run the equivalent of `apt-get update' for `dpkg' first? How? If not, what else is the matter? |
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| 18:49.23 | Jonh24 | Why debian doesn't added a thunderbird, or firefox to repository non-free? |
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| 18:49.40 | centrx | Jonh24, Because the software is already in main? |
| 18:49.42 | Jonh24 | *an |
| 18:50.04 | thims | Blue1: Glad to hear it. Though if this is a production server, just be sure on your choices for security and the practice therein. Anything done, not understood is dangerous. |
| 18:50.16 | centrx | Jonh24, Also, it is possible the trademarks cannot be in non-free either, I don't know |
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| 18:50.42 | socomm | JohnDoh: firefox and thunderbird are open source |
| 18:50.47 | centrx | Or rather, that there are the same licensing difficulties |
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| 18:51.28 | Jonh24 | centrx: yes, this is forks. Look, adobe flash player's in repository, mozilla firefox no... |
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| 18:52.06 | centrx | Jonh24, They are just renamed, not any more of a fork than any other software in any distribution |
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| 18:52.20 | centrx | Jonh24, Renamed and logos removed |
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| 18:53.24 | Blue1 | thanks thims that solved all my issues - back up and running |
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| 18:53.54 | centrx | Jonh24, The flash plugin package just downloads from adobe.com, does not distribute the software |
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| 18:55.54 | donvito | is it 512 ram enough for debian without graphic ? |
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| 18:56.12 | krababbel | donvito: plenty |
| 18:56.14 | FungiFox | aye. |
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| 18:56.20 | Jonh24 | centrx: Of course, this is bash script, but e.g. firmware-realtek is closed binary ;) |
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| 18:56.25 | krababbel | donvito: depends on what is running on it of course |
| 18:56.56 | Jonh24 | centrx: ok, eot ;) |
| 18:57.13 | centrx | Jonh24, iceweasel and icedove are the same software |
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| 18:57.23 | Jonh24 | centrx: i know ;) |
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| 18:58.27 | AlexLikeRock | nice ;-) easy way for a novices http://get.debian.net/ |
| 18:58.40 | Jonh24 | centrx: i use iceweasel & icedove ;) |
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| 19:01.28 | Mongo44 | How would I go about switching to the unstable release? |
| 19:04.31 | Bronze | botangeri? |
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| 19:06.57 | nounch | Is `apt-get dselect-upgrade' prone to messing things up? |
| 19:07.00 | thims | Mongo44: From what release? |
| 19:07.23 | Mongo44 | 7.3 |
| 19:07.45 | thims | Err, sorry. What branch? |
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| 19:08.27 | Mongo44 | How do I check that? |
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| 19:08.56 | thims | It should be the trailing argument in /etc/apt/source.conf |
| 19:09.09 | thims | Err, /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:10.41 | thims | Mongo44: I have never jumped branches "on the fly", but you might be safe doing a jump from testing to unstable. However, I might not go stable to either or. |
| 19:10.50 | thims | Some research into the topic may help quite a bit. |
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| 19:11.06 | cdb2 | hi, i get an error msg during start of bind9: http://pastebin.com/upSc5Rn7 |
| 19:11.45 | cdb2 | i set permission to 777 at /dev/random but i get the message permission denied and exiting (due to fatal error) |
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| 19:14.12 | Mongo44 | It says wheezy-updates, previously known as volatile. |
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| 19:15.02 | thims | Mongo44: Google is a nice tool for learning. This article (https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/upgrading-debian-to-unstable) doesn't look to bad. However does suggest the upgrade from a clean install. |
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| 19:16.23 | Mongo44 | I just tried to run Netflix with Ubuntu, didn't work. Anyone had success with Debian? |
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| 19:16.58 | saivert | nice. kswapd0 going haywire again |
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| 19:17.12 | saivert | server is unusable for streaming video via samba share now because of it |
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| 19:18.14 | saivert | I got 4GB ram and a 8GB swap partition which is active. Swap shouldn't be an issue |
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| 19:18.55 | Mongo44 | Maybe I could try ReactOS alpha? |
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| 19:23.42 | Waxhead | Is there a command to list the reason(s) a package have not been migrated from sid to testing (gsmartcontrol) |
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| 19:24.30 | nounch | Will `apt-get dselect-upgrade' remove all packages that have which are not int the selectionfile? |
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| 19:32.44 | jorb | how to tell what repo a specific version came from? or doest dpkg not maintain this info? |
| 19:33.06 | jorb | i mean how to tell the repot for a package** |
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| 19:38.03 | Mongo44 | I want to wipe my memory and install Wheezy as my OS. |
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| 19:40.41 | bnnkt | hello, first time debian user here, ok so I made a fresh install, using devbian gnome classic, the first thing I Did was install my nvidia driver 304... now the thing is in the synaptic the nouveau driver still shows as installed, so far no crashes or error is it safe to leave it or should it be uninstalled etc.. |
| 19:40.52 | Mongo44 | Got any pointers? |
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| 19:42.34 | vimel | Mongo44: you need to download the Debian ISO, put the image on USB or DVD/CD and run the debian installer. |
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| 19:46.15 | rneese | afternoon all |
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| 19:46.34 | rneese | I have a qustion abotu takign a web gui and cutting it into pkgs |
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| 19:46.56 | rneese | is there a easier way the making a debian for each part |
| 19:47.15 | rneese | that will cut it up wen you make the main pkg |
| 19:48.02 | rneese | as it is now I have made project-app-appname dir for each part with a debian dir in each dir |
| 19:48.24 | rneese | for each part and I svn the src into each dir for each app |
| 19:48.42 | rneese | and then I have a script that rung the dpkg in each dir |
| 19:48.51 | rneese | and generates the pkgs |
| 19:49.15 | rneese | is thier a easier way |
| 19:49.27 | rneese | to learn for round 2 of doing this |
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| 19:49.36 | rneese | I find nothing documented on this |
| 19:49.53 | Mongo44 | So I can choose stable and unstable right? |
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| 19:50.49 | Mongo44 | Oh yeah I want testing. |
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| 19:52.06 | bnnkt | what is the command to see which bideo driver I am using? |
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| 19:53.01 | Mongo44 | What VM ware is available for Debian? |
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| 19:53.56 | rneese | lok in pkgs |
| 19:54.07 | rneese | apt-cache search vmware |
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| 19:54.26 | rneese | openvz |
| 19:54.29 | towo` | bnnkt, lspci -nnk | grep "VGA\|Display\|3D" -A2 |
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| 19:57.26 | Mongo44 | It says it manages virtual servers do they mean OSes? |
| 19:57.50 | rneese | it makes linux into a virtual server |
| 19:57.58 | rneese | so you can load other os's |
| 19:58.10 | rneese | like bsd/linux/windows |
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| 19:59.01 | Mongo44 | I guess I can download an ISO from Jigdo. How do I know which one is testing? |
| 19:59.02 | rneese | but they sould have vmware workstation for linux |
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| 19:59.23 | rneese | I only use vm on my windows laptop |
| 19:59.32 | rneese | why testing |
| 19:59.43 | rneese | your base os should always be a stable os |
| 19:59.51 | Jonh24 | remx: really? Windows? |
| 19:59.53 | rneese | and the you can load testing os's |
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| 20:00.45 | rneese | yes I have to run winderz on the laptop for some apps I need |
| 20:00.53 | rneese | that dot have for linux |
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| 20:01.13 | rneese | I wish they would port all apps to linux |
| 20:01.18 | Mongo44 | It has DVD 1 through 10 one DVD holds 4.7 Gigabytes. Will all the data fit on one DVD? |
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| 20:01.50 | rneese | yes |
| 20:02.10 | rneese | https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/info/slug/desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_workstation/10_0 |
| 20:02.18 | rneese | vmworkstation for linux |
| 20:02.22 | rneese | go play |
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| 20:03.34 | Jonh24 | I don't use a dvd 12 years ago ;) |
| 20:03.43 | ntrophimov | Hi, guys! How can I change the background of the Xfce notification area? Changing the background color of the whole Xfce4-panel doesn't work as expected and now it looks like this - https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/74x152q90/513/n5cj.png. How can I change it? "xfce4-panel --version" gives me "xfce4-panel 4.8.6 (Xfce 4.8)" |
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| 20:04.10 | Mongo44 | I am not sure which one to select. I am here cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/i386/jigdo-dvd/ |
| 20:04.39 | nounch | What exactly is the correct procedure to `clone' packages from one system to another one? 1) `dpkg --get-selections > selectionfile' 2) `dpkg --set-selections < selectionfile' 3) `apt-get dselect-upgrade' ? |
| 20:04.46 | Mongo44 | cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/i386/jigdo-dvd/ |
| 20:04.59 | bnnkt | is it possible to install steam on debian wheezy, I keep getting cannot locate bootstrap error |
| 20:05.16 | Mongo44 | I don't know why it isn't linking. |
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| 20:06.09 | Mongo44 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/i386/jigdo-dvd/ |
| 20:06.13 | Tramp | nounch: apt-clone? |
| 20:06.20 | Mongo44 | There that is the link. |
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| 20:06.50 | towo` | bnnkt, wheezy does not fit the deps for steam |
| 20:07.06 | bnnkt | so no :( |
| 20:07.07 | rneese | what is steam |
| 20:07.27 | Mongo44 | It is a site to get games from. |
| 20:07.49 | bnnkt | also software... I used it to run starbound on ubuntu before moving over to debian |
| 20:08.04 | nounch | Tramp: I'm specifically talking about the `--get/set-selections' method. Sorry, should have included that. |
| 20:08.04 | bnnkt | guess that is over |
| 20:08.09 | towo` | use testing, then you can use steam |
| 20:08.24 | Mongo44 | Why does it have DVD 1-10? |
| 20:08.48 | bnnkt | no I already did that |
| 20:08.56 | bnnkt | I have downloaded it and installed fine using the wiki |
| 20:08.57 | nounch | Tramp: (There is of course a stark difference between `apt-clone' and a selectionfile.) |
| 20:09.07 | bnnkt | I just get an error saying bootstrap could not be located |
| 20:09.13 | Tramp | !debian clone |
| 20:09.13 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
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| 20:09.41 | towo` | bnnkt, you have what? |
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| 20:09.51 | rneese | I dont have time for gamming |
| 20:09.59 | rneese | I spend my time coding |
| 20:09.59 | Miesco_ | Can I do --dpkg --add-architecture i386, install steam, then remove i386? |
| 20:10.00 | nounch | Tramp: Thanks. |
| 20:10.04 | Tramp | welcome |
| 20:10.11 | towo` | steam is in the repo |
| 20:10.17 | bnnkt | I get an error saying "BOOTSTRAP COULD NOT BE LOCATED" |
| 20:10.23 | towo` | so no manual download or install is needed |
| 20:10.31 | bnnkt | "Couldn't find bootstrap, it's not safe to reset Steam. Please contact technical support." |
| 20:10.33 | rneese | apt-get install bootstrap |
| 20:10.40 | towo` | no |
| 20:10.56 | cheater__ | hi |
| 20:11.04 | towo` | bnnkt, purge whatever you have downloat and install steam from debian with apt |
| 20:11.05 | Mongo44 | !debian iso |
| 20:11.06 | cheater__ | what's the difference between /etc/shadow and /etc/shadow- ? |
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| 20:11.17 | nounch | Tramp: Do you happend to know if it is safe to run `apt-get some-small-package' while `apt-get dselect-upgrade' is already running and planning to keep on running for the next 2 hours? |
| 20:11.19 | Miesco_ | towo`: Thats the correct answer to the wrong question |
| 20:11.21 | Mongo44 | !debian |
| 20:11.21 | dpkg | i guess debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 20:11.36 | bnnkt | towo -you mean install using terminal? |
| 20:11.43 | bnnkt | like sudo aptitude |
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| 20:12.05 | towo` | bnnkt, i mean istalling from debian and not elsewhere downloaded packages |
| 20:12.15 | bnnkt | I did |
| 20:12.20 | Tramp | nounch: I don't know. Is it possible at all? I'd expect the second instance complaining about not being able to acquire the lock. |
| 20:12.28 | bnnkt | I used the terminal and I followed thhe wiki.debian guide |
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| 20:12.47 | Miesco_ | I don't want my package repository poluted with i386 packages, can I install steam (i386) then disable multi-arch? |
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| 20:13.25 | nounch | Tramp: `lock [...] temporarely unavailable'. You are right. |
| 20:13.28 | towo` | Miesco_, no you can't |
| 20:13.51 | towo` | Miesco_, you can't disable i386 as long as one i386-package is installed |
| 20:14.51 | Miesco_ | towo`: Will steam be 64 bit in the future? |
| 20:15.03 | towo` | Miesco_, ask valve, not mee |
| 20:15.22 | towo` | i'm not a wizard who had all answers to erery question |
| 20:15.38 | Miesco_ | towo`: k |
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| 20:16.50 | rneese | any pkg-devs here |
| 20:17.11 | rneese | that might give pointers on a better ways to split 1 pkg into many |
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| 20:17.40 | bnnkt | FIXED, I needed to install libx11-6:i386 |
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| 20:17.56 | bnnkt | working so far.. will mention if fails, |
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| 20:35.30 | f-a | err, give I am buying a pc which comes with this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonah_(microprocessor) , I should choose i386 when choosing platform for installation, right? |
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| 20:36.09 | Danic | hi there. Who created the pid files? the start-stop-daemon, or the daemon? |
| 20:36.23 | Danic | I'm having some issues with a init-script here. |
| 20:36.31 | socomm | f-a: x86 |
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| 20:37.14 | socomm | Danic: service script |
| 20:37.15 | Jonh24 | Danic: maybe script? |
| 20:37.24 | f-a | socomm: you mean i386, right? |
| 20:37.29 | socomm | f-a: yes |
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| 20:37.33 | f-a | thanks |
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| 20:39.45 | Danic | socomm, Jonh24 the script does it not. |
| 20:40.20 | Danic | sorry, at least I didn't find it |
| 20:40.34 | Jonh24 | Danic: Look at source script |
| 20:40.43 | socomm | Danic: generally speaking the init-script will craete a lock file, but some daemons create lock files |
| 20:41.01 | Danic | the init script usually only runs /sbin/start-stop-daemon. |
| 20:41.04 | socomm | Danic: can you give paste of the init script? use hastebin.com |
| 20:41.14 | jhutchins | Danic: It depends on the daemon, but usually the start-stop script creates the pid/lock files. |
| 20:41.58 | Danic | This is the init script: https://github.com/TryGhost/Ghost-Config/blob/master/init.d/ghost |
| 20:42.18 | Danic | It just does not screate the pid file, hence it freezes when I try to stop it. |
| 20:42.27 | socomm | Danic: it craetes a pid file |
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| 20:42.57 | Danic | I also did a `strace -f service ghost start`but I don't see it trying to write the pid file |
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| 20:42.59 | socomm | Danic: do you run the command as root? also does the /var/opt/ghost/run/ directory exist? |
| 20:43.09 | Danic | yes to both |
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| 20:43.21 | socomm | Danic: what happens when you run the daemon manually? |
| 20:43.26 | jhutchins | See lines 56-58? |
| 20:43.55 | Danic | jhutchins, yes |
| 20:44.00 | Danic | socomm, runs smooth |
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| 20:44.37 | socomm | Danic: are you the maintainer of this script? |
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| 20:44.57 | Danic | socomm, no :) |
| 20:45.17 | socomm | Danic: bug report |
| 20:45.34 | jhutchins | Danic: Sometimes the binary will do it's own start-stop, sometimes it will create it's own run/pid file. |
| 20:45.47 | Danic | hm okay |
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| 20:46.17 | jhutchins | Danic: You see that the start-stop-daemon creates it in this with the --pidfile option. |
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| 20:47.37 | Danic | But it doesn't. I don't get why. The folder exists, permissions are granted. I even tried to strace start-stop-daemon, but I don't see a "write" command. |
| 20:47.54 | jhutchins | Danic: Is the daemon starting? |
| 20:47.58 | Danic | yes |
| 20:48.19 | jhutchins | Danic: What happens if you try to start it when it's already running? |
| 20:49.11 | socomm | Danic: from what you've said so far it is not the program which is having problems, but the init-script |
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| 20:49.35 | Danic | jhutchins, it says "[ ok ] Starting Ghost: ghost." when issuing "service ghost start" two times. |
| 20:49.51 | Danic | socomm, that's good because then I can fix it right now :D |
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| 20:49.58 | Roland- | dd writting to /dev/sdb1 : Operation not permitted |
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| 20:50.01 | Roland- | this is an usb stick |
| 20:50.04 | Roland- | any ideas? |
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| 20:50.37 | centrx | Permissions |
| 20:51.33 | Roland- | I am root. |
| 20:51.52 | socomm | I am root, hear me roar. |
| 20:52.01 | Roland- | roars |
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| 20:55.56 | rneese | slaps rot around with a king james bible full of miss translations |
| 20:56.08 | rneese | you feel better now |
| 20:56.23 | jhutchins | Roland-: look at dmesg, see if it thinks it's write-protected. |
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| 20:57.12 | jhutchins | Roland-: Also, does sdb1 actually exist? What filesystem flag does it have (not that dd cares). |
| 20:57.16 | Roland- | he thinks that but's it's a lie. |
| 20:57.46 | jhutchins | Roland-: What are you actually trying to do? You don't usually write to raw blocks of a partitioned device. |
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| 20:58.17 | Roland- | I even want to cfdisk it. I think this is a faulty drive |
| 20:58.18 | jhutchins | Roland-: If dmesg thinks it's write protected then it's a hardware problem, and you may not be able to use that device. |
| 20:58.29 | Roland- | thinks so |
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| 21:07.19 | Roland- | sdb: sdb1 Write Protect on |
| 21:07.21 | Roland- | yeah |
| 21:07.29 | Roland- | seems like faulty memory drive |
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| 21:09.02 | oru | weird question: can I bootstrap debian over a pre-existing kernel? say I had some kernel that I didn't want to compile again, could I just delete everything except for /boot and /lib/modules and run deboostrap? |
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| 21:19.45 | arun | guys is this command correct ?? apt-ftparchive packages pool/main/ | gzip -9c > dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 21:19.56 | ookla[POR] | rguys does diabina make rtl8192cu chipset TP-LINK dock station wifi? |
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| 21:23.43 | dvs | !confuse centra |
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| 21:26.03 | BoxsDown | i installed wheezy from USB without internet. now when i try to install apps using synaptic, it's asking for the DVD. can i get help with synaptic repositories? |
| 21:26.35 | centrx | Do you want to use the Internet? |
| 21:26.40 | dvs | BoxsDown: You used CD1? |
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| 21:27.05 | wat | how do you hop between workspaces? |
| 21:27.11 | Incentive | ctrl alt down/up |
| 21:27.23 | BoxsDown | i put DVD1 onto a USB using LiLi. yes, i would like to be able to use the internet when i have access (i dont have internet at home) and the USB when i dont have internet |
| 21:27.25 | xand | BoxsDown: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cd/dvd lines |
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| 21:27.39 | wat | youre too cool Incentive thanks man |
| 21:27.53 | Incentive | :) |
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| 21:30.40 | BoxsDown | my sources.list is empty aside from the DVD. it says "A network mirror was not selected during install." |
| 21:30.55 | galex-713 | How can I *cut* an audio piece quickly in cli? |
| 21:30.56 | BoxsDown | i have no auth keys |
| 21:31.07 | dvs | !tell BoxsDown about wheezy sources.list |
| 21:31.08 | galex-713 | avconv? ffmpeg? something? |
| 21:31.19 | BoxsDown | galex-713: i'd use handbrake |
| 21:31.30 | BoxsDown | ffmpeg |
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| 21:32.19 | galex-713 | with what arguments? |
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| 21:32.34 | BoxsDown | okay, updateing apt |
| 21:33.05 | galex-713 | BoxsDown: ^ |
| 21:33.17 | BoxsDown | i dont know what your trying to do |
| 21:33.36 | galex-713 | cut an audio piece |
| 21:33.49 | galex-713 | like from 1m30 to 4:10 |
| 21:33.53 | galex-713 | *4m10 |
| 21:35.28 | BoxsDown | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20295398/ffmpeg-clip-audio-interval-with-starting-and-end-time |
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| 21:38.06 | adkins | hey guys, i want to install bumblebee on my Thinkpad T530 and dont need 3D-Stuff. The question i have is: nvidia or nouceau with bumblebee? |
| 21:38.21 | adkins | nouveau* |
| 21:38.49 | oru | in my experience nvidia tends to have better power management |
| 21:39.00 | oru | I'm not sure about your particular chipset though |
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| 21:40.15 | adkins | oru: nvidia NVS 5400M |
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| 21:41.28 | petn-randall | adkins: Try with the FOSS drivers first, if they're buggy and you can't fix it, try the closed-source ones. |
| 21:42.12 | galex-713 | adkins: Why do you want to install bumblebee if you don’t need 3D stuff? |
| 21:46.05 | saivert | I just killed the kswapd0 process and now my server regained its speed. Wonder why it started to consume 100% cpu in the first place. On a dual core CPU no less |
| 21:47.05 | jhutchins | galex-713: You just want to arbitrarily truncate the file? |
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| 21:47.32 | galex-713 | BoxsDown: thanks it works! |
| 21:47.50 | shawnbon206_ | yo |
| 21:48.20 | galex-713 | jhutchins: just want to truncate from one position (according time, in *seconds*, not according bitrate) to another |
| 21:48.52 | adkins | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.22 | galex-713 | Yes it’s bumblebee which do that |
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| 21:50.23 | galex-713 | I don’t know more, I know I installed 100%-free things and compiled bumblebee long time ago, and I forgot the complicated things I did (but I would prefer live in tty rather than waste more time to have accurate graphics) |
| 21:50.24 | adkins | i only need it for using only integrated display when i`m out of home and for using multiple screens at home without rebooting |
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| 21:51.02 | adkins | in mobile mode i dont want all power consuming graphic-stuff |
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| 21:51.13 | galex-713 | jhutchins: It’s because when I listen to radio (internet mp3 flux) sometimes I want to download a nice song, and since it seems banshee can’t go back and save the song, I download the extract in mp3 from the radio website and truncate it (before I did that with audacity, but it’s sooo huge) |
| 21:51.23 | adkins | galex-713: so i need bumblebee for this? |
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| 21:51.55 | galex-713 | adkins: bumblebee allow you to launch things with optimus support prefixing them with “optirun” command |
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| 21:52.47 | adkins | galex-713: ok confused again ;) |
| 21:52.52 | galex-713 | Then if that’s about the whole X11, you should make so that Debian start it with “optirun startx” (that worked for me in another distro, in Backtrack, but it didn’t work in Ubuntu, and I never tried in Debian) so X11 can support it |
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| 21:53.39 | galex-713 | adkins: when you launch an application with the command “application” it runs normally, without optirun support, when you run it with “optirun application” it has optirun support |
| 21:54.08 | galex-713 | Of course you need either to use command-line or to change configuration so the command used to launch the application is different |
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| 21:55.06 | adkins | galex-713: this just gives an application nvidia power right and doesnt have anything to do with multiple screens VS single screen? |
| 21:55.12 | adkins | right? |
| 21:55.25 | jhutchins | galex-713: I don't know of a program that would do that, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was one out there. Audacity seems like a good choice. |
| 21:55.54 | galex-713 | jhutchins: it’s too slow and huge, ffmpeg do it a lot better |
| 21:56.00 | galex-713 | adkins: I think so… |
| 21:56.18 | galex-713 | Now it’s me |
| 21:56.28 | galex-713 | *who’s confused :/ |
| 21:56.29 | jhutchins | galex-713: Ok, "ffmpeg truncate audio file" in google. |
| 21:56.50 | galex-713 | jhutchins: BoxsDown already gave me a link from stackoverflow |
| 21:56.54 | galex-713 | ^^ |
| 21:56.57 | jhutchins | galex-713: I'd also try "linux truncate autio file" |
| 21:57.19 | oru | weird question: can I bootstrap debian over a pre-existing kernel? say I had some kernel that I didn't want to compile again, could I just delete everything except for /boot and /lib/modules and run deboostrap? |
| 21:57.29 | adkins | galex-713: thank you. now i seem to know more but still dont know what to do ;) |
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| 21:57.42 | jhutchins | galex-713: "crop mp3 to first 30 seconds"? |
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| 21:58.12 | galex-713 | jhutchins: what? |
| 21:58.26 | jhutchins | adkins: The multi-gup-switch is not fully evolved in Linux yet. You might have to use the proprietary drivers for it to work. |
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| 21:58.47 | jhutchins | galex-713: That's the first hit I see from stackoverflow. |
| 21:58.59 | jhutchins | galex-713: Anyway, the information's out there. Yes, it appears it can be done. |
| 21:59.03 | adkins | jhutchins: ok thank you |
| 21:59.09 | galex-713 | jhutchins: <BoxsDown> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20295398/ffmpeg-clip-audio-interval-with-starting-and-end-time |
| 21:59.09 | galex-713 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.45 | zophy | hi |
| 22:00.01 | jhutchins | galex-713: There's also a script/program collection called gramofile that includes features such as splitting an audio file based on a certain length of silence, intended for splitting the recording of a vinyl album into tracks. |
| 22:01.21 | galex-713 | jhutchins: could be usefull, but not in my case, there’s no silence between voice and song (would be usefull if they did) |
| 22:01.41 | galex-713 | Ahhhhh just put things in a mp3 flux is a so bad format |
| 22:01.50 | jhutchins | ,info gramofile |
| 22:01.51 | MACscr | ok, i am having a very frustrating time with this, so hoping for someones help. I have 8 systems with identical hardware. I installed debian wheezy on a usb stick while it was blocked into one of said systems and configured a few different pieces of software. Now i want to use clonezilla to clone this drive onto additional drives for the other 7 systems. If the UUID is kept in tact according to bl |
| 22:01.51 | MACscr | kid, then why would the kernel fail to boot? I have to use /dev/sda1 instead to get it to boot. |
| 22:01.52 | judd | Package gramofile (sound, extra) in wheezy/i386: Transfer sound from gramophone records to CD. Version: 1.6-9; Size: 108.6k; Installed: 244k; O: #660220 |
| 22:01.58 | galex-713 | Would be better to put songs somewhere and then encode in a “radio stream format” a link to it |
| 22:02.02 | galex-713 | So people can download it |
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| 22:02.38 | galex-713 | Of course commercial radios wouldn’t implement it, but if it becomes sufficiently popular it would contribute to kill commercial music |
| 22:02.44 | MACscr | secondly, what all do i have to wipe besides /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net in order for dhcp networking to work? |
| 22:02.45 | galex-713 | * |
| 22:02.46 | jhutchins | galex-713: If you don't own the copyright or have a contract with the person who does, that's not legal. |
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| 22:02.49 | galex-713 | *would become |
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| 22:03.03 | galex-713 | jhutchins: in either way, you broadcast music |
| 22:03.27 | galex-713 | You just make more easy to keep it instead of download it and delete it like when you read a mp3 stream |
| 22:03.38 | jhutchins | galex-713: Just be aware that in most of the West you'd be breaking the law and could be prosecuted. |
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| 22:04.07 | galex-713 | jhutchins: isn’t *sharing* music illegal? |
| 22:04.14 | galex-713 | Not *downloading* |
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| 22:04.18 | jhutchins | galex-713: It's not that simple. |
| 22:04.29 | themill | MACscr: why do you think you need to remove that file at all? |
| 22:04.36 | galex-713 | Especially when downloading from someone which was permitted to broadcast it (e.g. a radio) |
| 22:04.46 | jhutchins | galex-713: Besides, this is drifting pretty far off topic. #debian-offtopic if you want to continue. |
| 22:04.52 | galex-713 | ok |
| 22:04.53 | MACscr | themill: because if not, it assigns the nics as eth4 and eth5, etc |
| 22:05.21 | themill | MACscr: every boot you get a different device name? |
| 22:05.52 | MACscr | themill: no, just the first boot on each system obviously since the mac addresses are different |
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| 22:07.49 | themill | MACscr: oh, in the clones. You'd only be getting eth1 not eth0 on the clones then |
| 22:07.58 | themill | (not eth4, eth5...) |
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| 22:09.04 | themill | yes, deleting that file from the image should be enough to get the interface to be named eth0. You should change things like sshd keys too. (Debian doesn't distribute rootfs images for these sorts of reasons btw) |
| 22:09.22 | MACscr | themill: i have 4 nics, so they would be high like that |
| 22:10.41 | MACscr | why would ssh keys need redone? why make it such a pain to clone a system? |
| 22:11.07 | shawnbon206_ | can someone help me install wine on jessie from the repo dpkg suggested? i did a dpkg -i with the .deb and then aptitude -f install to resolve the dependencies, all of the solutions looked like it would break my computer |
| 22:11.32 | nkuttler | shawnbon206_: welcome to testing |
| 22:12.12 | petn-randall | shawnbon206_: Which repo did wine suggest?? |
| 22:12.26 | shawnbon206_ | dpkg bot suggests one |
| 22:12.26 | dpkg | shawnbon206_: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 22:12.36 | shawnbon206_ | !newer wine |
| 22:12.37 | dpkg | The wine-unstable packages in Debian are very out of date and possibly not what you want. For unofficial, newer versions of these packages for jessie/sid, see http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ . These packages can be backported to wheezy with a little work, ask me about <ssb>. Alternatively, the commercial <cxoffice> offers a recent wine with support. |
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| 22:13.13 | petn-randall | MACscr: Because if one system gets compromised, all the others are because the attacker can do a MITM. |
| 22:13.18 | nkuttler | !factinfo newer wine |
| 22:13.18 | dpkg | newer wine -- created by themill <~stuart@unaffiliated/themill> at Thu Aug 11 14:29:54 2011 (906 days); last modified at Wed Mar 28 22:17:44 2012 by themill!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 112 times, last by shawnbon206_, 42s ago. |
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| 22:13.58 | tremon | shawnbon206_: you probably need packages from unstable, not only jessie, to satisfy the dependencies |
| 22:14.10 | shawnbon206_ | yeah thats what i figured |
| 22:14.22 | shawnbon206_ | not really sure how to approach that |
| 22:14.38 | tremon | as usual, paste the command and its output :) |
| 22:14.42 | shawnbon206_ | should i pin sid -10 in apt preferences? |
| 22:14.42 | petn-randall | wonders how the factoid can be 906 days old and mention wheezy as if it's stable. |
| 22:15.02 | nkuttler | petn-randall: you can edit factoids after they have been created |
| 22:15.13 | petn-randall | shawnbon206_: You shouldn't mix stable and testing/sid. That's not what the factoid suggested. |
| 22:15.19 | nkuttler | last edit in 2012 though.. |
| 22:15.29 | Mongo44 | Anyone here used Jigdo? |
| 22:15.40 | petn-randall | !survey |
| 22:15.40 | dpkg | i heard survey is Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask. |
| 22:15.52 | tremon | shawnbon206_: it's much safer and easier to just add APT::Default-Release "jessie"; to apt.conf.d |
| 22:15.55 | petn-randall | nkuttler: Woops, saw the creation date for the last change date. |
| 22:16.10 | MACscr | petn-randall: of course. Thats a security issue. shouldnt stop a system from being able to function normally though. |
| 22:16.23 | shawnbon206_ | tremon, if i load it through gdebi it says dependency is not satisfiable libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~) |
| 22:16.46 | tremon | ,v libc6 |
| 22:16.47 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.17-97; sid: 2.17-97; experimental: 2.18-0experimental1 |
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| 22:17.26 | shawnbon206_ | so i only need to pull libc6 from sid, |
| 22:17.57 | tremon | shawnbon206_: please paste the output of apt-cache policy |
| 22:17.59 | wols | shawnbon206_: no |
| 22:18.02 | shawnbon206_ | ok |
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| 22:18.28 | themill | MACscr: each sshd server needs to have different keys. There's no possible way a clone can know that it has been cloned and needs to redo things... but it would be nice if such a resetting tool existed that could be run to do such a cleanup, help change the hostname etc. Perhaps you'd like to contribute one? |
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| 22:18.31 | Mongo44 | The instructions say to run the jigdo-lite script I am not sure how to do that. I am trying to download an iso to a DVD. |
| 22:18.59 | shawnbon206_ | http://hastebin.com/mokepisabu.avrasm |
| 22:19.26 | themill | MACscr: deleting the keys and "dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server" is sufficient for that step btw |
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| 22:20.13 | tremon | shawnbon206_: ok, that looks normal. What does apt-cache policy libc6 show? |
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| 22:21.26 | shawnbon206_ | http://hastebin.com/vuriticedi.avrasm |
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| 22:22.44 | shawnbon206_ | apt.conf.d is a directory full of configs which begin with numbers |
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| 22:23.36 | tremon | shawnbon206_: if you didn't mistype the error you got from gdebi, then gdebi is wrong. You already have a libc6 version that satisfies >= 2.3.6-6~ |
| 22:23.45 | shawnbon206_ | should i make another config for APT::Default-Release "jessie"; and put it in apt.conf.d, or edit one of the ones that are there? |
| 22:23.47 | themill | or it's a package for the wrong arch |
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| 22:24.35 | tremon | shawnbon206_: yes, just add a new file. The numbering is for ordering only, I prefer to use 99my-file for custom configs |
| 22:24.38 | shawnbon206_ | its i386 package, but i already dpkg --add-architechture i386 |
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| 22:25.07 | shawnbon206_ | tremon, there is already a file with 99, should i make it 98 or 100? |
| 22:25.18 | shawnbon206_ | nvm |
| 22:25.26 | shawnbon206_ | theres multiple 20's :P |
| 22:26.16 | tremon | themill: ah, yes, that's very likely. Though the gdebi error is still misleading then (not arch-qualified) |
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| 22:27.38 | asterismo | hi guys, how i can get compiz in debian wheezy? |
| 22:27.42 | asterismo | is that possible? |
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| 22:28.17 | tremon | shawnbon206_: is it possible that you simply haven't run apt-get update after dpkg --add-architecture? |
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| 22:28.54 | themill | dpkg: tell asterismo about compiz |
| 22:29.07 | petn-randall | !mixing releases |
| 22:29.07 | dpkg | methinks mixing releases is unsupported and *can* and *will* damage your system |
| 22:29.08 | shawnbon206_ | Tremon, DOH! |
| 22:29.17 | petn-randall | ^^^ shawnbon206_, tremon ^^^ |
| 22:29.18 | shawnbon206_ | facepalms |
| 22:30.08 | tremon | petn-randall: imvho, of all the releases you can mix, testing and unstable are relatively harmless |
| 22:30.39 | tremon | (when mixed together I mean, not when mixing them with other releases) |
| 22:31.20 | petn-randall | tremon: AFAIKS he's running stable. |
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| 22:31.32 | tremon | his apt-cache says jessie |
| 22:31.54 | tremon | wouldn't have suggested him to add sid if he were running stable |
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| 22:34.26 | shawnbon206_ | http://hastebin.com/refamuqula.vhdl tremon |
| 22:34.53 | shawnbon206_ | wine32-unstable:i386 : Depends: libc6:i386 (>= 2.3.6-6~) but it is not going to be installed. |
| 22:35.23 | shawnbon206_ | and whats the deal with it trying to remove a million packages lol |
| 22:35.31 | shawnbon206_ | i did a dist-upgrade when i upgraded |
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| 22:36.33 | shawnbon206_ | i never did a apt-get autoremove however |
| 22:36.48 | tremon | shawnbon206_: that's pretty normal for aptitude. The first suggestion is always to remove all but the kitchen sink. |
| 22:37.15 | shawnbon206_ | i cycles through all the suggestions |
| 22:37.19 | shawnbon206_ | theyre all bad |
| 22:37.41 | tremon | shawnbon206_: I see aptitude says 42 not upgraded. That may be an issue, because multi-arch packages can only be installed in exactly the same versions |
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| 22:39.03 | tremon | I would remove wine32-unstable, run a full-upgrade again, then try again |
| 22:39.15 | shawnbon206_ | dist-upgrade? |
| 22:39.22 | centrx | Yes |
| 22:39.38 | petn-randall | shawnbon206_: You are already running testing? |
| 22:39.40 | petn-randall | !jessie |
| 22:39.40 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie freeze>. |
| 22:39.53 | tremon | meh. apt-get says dist-upgrade, aptitude calls it full-upgrade. I said full because you were running aptitude |
| 22:40.04 | shawnbon206_ | oh |
| 22:40.11 | shawnbon206_ | i never knew aptitude had that |
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| 22:40.33 | tremon | that's because aptitude also listens to dist-upgrade and does what you mean |
| 22:41.31 | shawnbon206_ | http://hastebin.com/kugikesavo.vhdl |
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| 22:42.21 | shawnbon206_ | oh i didnt remove the wine pkg |
| 22:42.35 | themill | I'd accept that solution there and let apt do its thing |
| 22:42.53 | shawnbon206_ | ok |
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| 22:43.30 | shawnbon206_ | anything else? autoremove? |
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| 22:44.28 | tremon | no, that should be fine. Did you also download the libwine-unstable deb? You need both |
| 22:44.59 | tremon | I think you need all 3, wine- libwine- and wine32-, but I'm not sure |
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| 22:46.42 | tremon | if it still doesn't work, I'd be interested in seeing the output of aptitude install libc6:i386 |
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| 22:46.57 | shawnbon206_ | oh, no i didnt. have it now |
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| 22:48.51 | shawnbon206_ | http://hastebin.com/hugoretilu.coffee ok here is output of installing those two packages |
| 22:50.04 | shawnbon206_ | http://hastebin.com/dovuwivebe.sm |
| 22:50.07 | shawnbon206_ | woohoo |
| 22:50.11 | shawnbon206_ | looks like it worked |
| 22:50.24 | tremon | that looks better |
| 22:50.28 | shawnbon206_ | i also used apt-get this time |
| 22:50.39 | tremon | both should have worked |
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| 22:51.16 | adkins | which is the default graphic driver of debian if i havent installed one explicitly? |
| 22:51.25 | tremon | you may want to remove the apt::default release config now, as it's not needed |
| 22:51.48 | tremon | adkins: auto-detect (i.e. it just tries all drivers it can find) |
| 22:52.17 | tremon | and by default all (open) drivers are installed |
| 22:52.17 | shawnbon206_ | tremon, i might need it there if i pin sid in my sources later -1 or -10 or whatever |
| 22:52.19 | adkins | tremon: and if i havent installed any? |
| 22:52.40 | shawnbon206_ | tremon, i tried the aptitude command again, same thing |
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| 22:52.58 | shawnbon206_ | aptitude wants to kill my system |
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| 22:53.04 | petn-randall | adkins: The one belonging to your graphics card. Debian comes with lots of kernel modules, and X11 video drivers. What is the problem you're observing? |
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| 22:53.36 | tremon | adkins: you can't install xserver-xorg without at least one driver, and by default it pulls in all drivers. So if you haven't installed any explicitly, you have all of them |
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| 22:54.22 | tremon | shawnbon206_: ok, weird. But apt-get did work? I know aptitude took longer to support multi-arch, but fafaik it should work properly now. You may want to file a bug |
| 22:54.24 | adkins | petn-randall: no problem, just wondering, i used to use nvidia and setting up displays with nvidia-settings. no i havent installed a driver and set up multiple displays with xrandr and wonder if i miss something i dont know of ;) |
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| 22:55.16 | adkins | unfortunately i dont have a display port adapter and cant test multiple screens on it. hope it will work though.... |
| 22:55.46 | petn-randall | adkins: If it's not a bleeding-edge card, it will already have a FOSS driver in the kernel. You're probably using the noveau driver in X11, too. |
| 22:56.09 | adkins | petn-randall: how can i find out which driver i`m using? |
| 22:56.12 | adkins | command? |
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| 22:56.40 | petn-randall | adkins: lsmod for the kernel driver, and for the X11 driver you'll have to look into /var/log/Xorg.0.log. |
| 22:57.20 | adkins | petn-randall: ok i find several lines of nouveau ;) thanks |
| 22:57.49 | adkins | video: nouveau |
| 22:58.00 | GJdan | what's the best reverse proxy system for debian? |
| 22:58.29 | nkuttler | GJdan: to proxy what? |
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| 22:59.33 | shawnbon206_ | tremon i want to make a bug report but i am not sure if i have enough information |
| 22:59.51 | nkuttler | !reportbug |
| 22:59.51 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 23:00.02 | nkuttler | shawnbon206_: just use that, it will add a lot of info automatically |
| 23:00.24 | GJdan | nkuttler: apache served websites |
| 23:00.44 | tremon | shawnbon206_: in this case I would probably include the output of apt-get install -f (it should not find any problems) and aptitude -f install (which wants to eat your babies) |
| 23:00.54 | nkuttler | GJdan: i'm happy with nginx |
| 23:01.46 | petn-randall | shawnbon206_: What bug did you find? |
| 23:02.02 | tremon | shawnbon206_: other than that, just describe what you did (dpkg --add-arch, dpkg -i i386 deb, let apt fix the fallout) |
| 23:02.39 | petn-randall | shawnbon206_: From the looks of it your system is just a little messed up, doesn't necessarily have to be a bug in dpkg/apt. |
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| 23:04.09 | adkins | can anyone recommend me some energy management software for my thinkpad? the simpler the better.... |
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| 23:04.12 | shawnbon206_ | petn-randall, how could it be messed up this is a fresh install? |
| 23:04.29 | shawnbon206_ | i didnt do anything unusual |
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| 23:05.43 | shawnbon206_ | i did a minimal install, changed all my sources to jessie, then did tasksel to add laptop, de, ssh, and print |
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| 23:06.01 | shawnbon206_ | er, dist-upgrade was the second to the last part |
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| 23:07.15 | tremon | well, to be fair, you dist-upgraded from stable to testing, enabled multi-arch, and manually installed a foreign-arch non-debian package |
| 23:07.28 | dvs | yikes |
| 23:07.57 | tremon | nothing about that is special, but it's not usual either |
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| 23:08.25 | shawnbon206_ | on recommendations from themill through dpkg? |
| 23:08.33 | shawnbon206_ | (bot) |
| 23:08.44 | petn-randall | shawnbon206_: Can you paste all relevant output? |
| 23:08.51 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell shawnbon206_ about bat |
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| 23:09.37 | tremon | shawnbon206_: it's not a critique, aptitude should handle that fine. In fact, apt did handle it fine |
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| 23:13.21 | shawnbon206_ | tremon: exactly why i agree with you its a bug. the "bat" instructions said to apt-cache policy the relevant pgks? all of them? or.. |
| 23:13.25 | cheater__ | hey guys.. i'm root, and i mounted an ext4... trying to remove a file it says "operation not permitted" - wtf? |
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| 23:14.36 | petn-randall | cheater__: The filesystem could still be mounted read-only. Can you paste the output of 'mount' to http://paste.debian.net and tell us which filesystem it is? |
| 23:14.58 | jhutchins | GJdan: reverse proxy? |
| 23:16.19 | Miesco_ | I just tasksel and selected desktop and it installed something. What got installed? |
| 23:16.40 | cheater__ | petn-randall: that wasn't it. i had to lsattr and chattr. |
| 23:17.41 | shawnbon206_ | petn-randall, http://hastebin.com/nidocusubi.sm <--- hows this? |
| 23:19.31 | GJdan | jhutchins: I want to have one server recieve http traffic and then retrieve the responses from the servers actually holding the sites and send them out |
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| 23:21.51 | nounch | I have a typical LVM setup: 10GB root partition, 1GB swap space, 149GB data. Now, while running `apt-get dselect-update' to install packages it halted with the error message saying that the device is out of space (the 10GB root partition). `lvextend -L 20G /dev/mapper/foo-root' should resize to 20GB, but it exits with `Insufficient free space 2736 extents needed, but only 0 available'. What exactly is the `extent' that is needed? |
| 23:22.19 | nounch | I suppose that it needs free disk space which is not allocated as part of a partition, is that correct? |
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| 23:25.23 | cheater__ | nounch: you need a larger volume group. to fit it you might need a larger physical volume. |
| 23:25.29 | cheater__ | pv's contain vg's which contain lv's. |
| 23:25.41 | nounch | (Side note: Having no space available in the root partition anymore makes it hard to work on that same system since programs are constantly complaining that there is no space available.) |
| 23:25.51 | Miesco_ | Whats the difference between kde-standard and kde-full? |
| 23:25.54 | cheater__ | delete some logs nounch. |
| 23:25.58 | cheater__ | or some of your porn |
| 23:26.08 | cheater__ | (you'll probably choose logs) |
| 23:26.09 | themill | dpkg: tell Miesco_ about install ked |
| 23:26.12 | nounch | cheater__: `physical volume' is the partition (10GB), right? |
| 23:26.21 | themill | dpkg: tell Miesco_ about install kde |
| 23:26.29 | cheater__ | nounch: physical volume is a list of blocks on the disks. |
| 23:26.37 | cheater__ | i don't know much about lvm, though. |
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| 23:26.48 | cheater__ | try commands like pvdisplay, vgdisplay, lvdisplay. |
| 23:27.04 | cheater__ | or just type pv and press tab to complete (same with vg and lv) |
| 23:27.09 | Miesco_ | themill: I just started installing kde-full, is this bad? |
| 23:27.45 | themill | Miesco_: depends what you want. It's not going to do any harm |
| 23:28.08 | nounch | cheater__: If so, then extending it might not be possible since it is already at its limit. My conclusion would be: Add another partion, then add that partition as pv to the vg, then extend the root lv. I am not sure, though, and I would not like to add yet another partition if it is not completely necessary. |
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| 23:28.45 | nounch | cheater__: (`press tab to complete', well that is one of the things not possible on the system anymore due to lacking space.) |
| 23:29.06 | cheater__ | delete some things |
| 23:29.17 | cheater__ | 10 gigs should be able to fit a perfectly functioning system |
| 23:29.27 | cheater__ | you can reinstall whatever later on |
| 23:29.33 | cheater__ | like your collection of ruby gems |
| 23:29.44 | cheater__ | or twenty versions of kernel 2.6 |
| 23:30.11 | nounch | cheater__: It's actually 9.xGB and the list of packages to install is like ~4000 lines. |
| 23:30.48 | nounch | `apt-get dselect-upgrade' was running for >3h now. |
| 23:31.01 | cheater__ | so.. delete some stuff? |
| 23:31.40 | nounch | I would rather extend the lv. That is what I was using LVM for right from the start. |
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| 23:33.20 | nounch | `pvdisplay' says `150GB [...] Allocatable: yes (but full) [...]'. This cannot be true. `cfdisk' clearly says that only `/dev/mapper/vg-root' is full and the rest is usable. |
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| 23:35.47 | cheater__ | er right it's vg contains pv contains lv |
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| 23:35.58 | cheater__ | so make your vg larger, and then you can make pv larger. |
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| 23:36.40 | cheater__ | with vgextend / pvextend / lvextend |
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| 23:39.49 | nounch | cheater__: vg is at 150GB (max, disk size), pv is at 150GB, lvs: 10G (root), 4GB (swap, i lied), 135GB (data) |
| 23:40.16 | cheater__ | make data smaller and make root larger |
| 23:40.17 | nounch | So I would have to shrink the data lv, then extend the root lv |
| 23:40.24 | cheater__ | you might need to shuffle swap around |
| 23:40.24 | nounch | cheater__: exactly |
| 23:40.32 | nounch | `shuffle'? |
| 23:40.34 | cheater__ | which i don't know how to do |
| 23:40.45 | cheater__ | yes, it might be |root|swap|data| |
| 23:40.47 | nounch | Oh, because it is in the middle? |
| 23:40.50 | cheater__ | yes |
| 23:40.57 | cheater__ | anyways |
| 23:41.02 | cheater__ | delete some files from root. |
| 23:41.10 | cheater__ | otherwise you're working on a cumbersome system. |
| 23:41.10 | nounch | `lvdisplay' says: root|swap|home |
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| 23:41.26 | cheater__ | just deleting one file is enough, like say... apache. |
| 23:41.42 | cheater__ | is home the same as data? |
| 23:42.02 | nounch | Yes, `home' = `data' |
| 23:42.03 | nounch | . |
| 23:42.20 | cheater__ | well then, have fun, you know what to do now |
| 23:42.29 | cheater__ | read up on resizing lv's |
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| 23:42.42 | cheater__ | google for "lvm resizing logical volumes" |
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| 23:43.26 | nounch | I know *what* to do, not exactly *how*. I thought `lvextend' would be the way to extend it, but it complains about missing `extents'. |
| 23:43.47 | cheater__ | probably best to turn swap off and rmove the swap volume completely, extend root to take the old swap's area, then remove 4 gigs from home, and put swap there. |
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| 23:44.04 | cheater__ | yeah, you need to make space. we've just spoken about this. |
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| 23:44.15 | cheater__ | read what we just talked about and give it some time to sink in. |
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| 23:44.44 | nounch | cheater__: Moving swap around - physically (the partitions)? Using fdisk? |
| 23:44.48 | cheater__ | now might be a good time to take a piece of paper and write down the next steps. |
| 23:45.00 | cheater__ | you need to move the lv at some point. |
| 23:45.08 | cheater__ | read up on how to do that. |
| 23:45.13 | cheater__ | anyways, i gotta go. |
| 23:45.24 | cheater__ | i've got a hacked server that needs to have its passwords changed. |
| 23:45.25 | nounch | cheater__: Thanks. |
| 23:45.26 | cheater__ | yw. |
| 23:45.35 | frostschutz | and I thought the point of LVM was that you don't have to move things ;-D |
| 23:45.48 | nounch | frostschutz: That was my impression. |
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| 23:48.33 | nounch | Great, now even `deleting one file' does not work the proper way (by running `apt-get remove something') since `dpkg' was interrupted and needs to be configured manually, but when doing that, it complains about not having any free space left. |
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| 23:49.57 | nounch | So the only way is really to to run `rm -rf /usr/share/apache' and that will mess package management up later on. Not ideal. |
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| 23:56.45 | nounch | Do I have to do the resizing step for a file system when running `lvreduce' on the swap lv? |
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