| 00:00.17 | ir8 | dasdf |
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| 00:04.28 | waqstar_ | No one execute this: but made me laugh so much |
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| 00:04.32 | waqstar_ | [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && |
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| 00:05.33 | FungiFox | i want to execute it. |
| 00:05.42 | ir8 | anyone :D |
| 00:06.06 | FungiFox | no idear what it does, but let me boot my test puter. |
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| 00:06.14 | waqstar_ | Fire it up |
| 00:06.23 | waqstar_ | Russian roulette |
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| 00:06.47 | FungiFox | straight up in terminal? |
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| 00:06.49 | papiezpolak | didn't you forget something after the &&? :v |
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| 00:07.22 | waqstar_ | Rm -rf |
| 00:07.24 | frostschutz | && echo BAM you are dead |
| 00:07.28 | smyers | Looks like a Russian Rouletter |
| 00:07.34 | waqstar_ | Lol |
| 00:07.50 | frostschutz | I like [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 6 ] better |
| 00:08.03 | papiezpolak | oh you. |
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| 00:10.14 | FungiFox | got nothing. |
| 00:10.24 | waqstar_ | Haha |
| 00:10.49 | FungiFox | how do i run it? |
| 00:10.51 | waqstar_ | Fungifox. Try rm -rf / |
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| 00:10.55 | FungiFox | nah man |
| 00:11.02 | FungiFox | :P |
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| 00:11.09 | waqstar_ | You can run that one straight from the cmdline |
| 00:11.16 | FungiFox | im aware what rm is. |
| 00:11.24 | waqstar_ | It will make your computer super fast |
| 00:11.25 | FungiFox | i dunno what [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 6 ] does, so i wanted to runs it. |
| 00:12.03 | cafuego | FungiFox: that simulates a dice roll and checks if you roll a 6. |
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| 00:13.20 | cafuego | FungiFox: Takes a random number, then does mod 6 on it (so you end up with a number 0-6). |
| 00:13.22 | waqstar_ | Yeah but instead if it matches 0 it will run rm command |
| 00:13.48 | waqstar_ | So try it. It's only 1 in 7 chance haha |
| 00:13.55 | frostschutz | %6 gives you 0-5 so == 6 you always win |
| 00:14.32 | waqstar_ | It's ==0 lol |
| 00:14.52 | waqstar_ | Soz I meant 1 in 6... |
| 00:14.54 | frostschutz | yes, that's why I said, I like ==6 better. I don't like losing, esp. at russian roulette |
| 00:15.15 | waqstar_ | I see |
| 00:15.17 | frostschutz | anyway, good night |
| 00:15.32 | FungiFox | my old laptop smells like magic electricity after turning it on. |
| 00:15.40 | FungiFox | anyone want to buy a highly tested unit? |
| 00:17.28 | waqstar_ | Fungifox lol I love that smell, plus you can hear the fan struggling and the disk going crazy |
| 00:17.45 | waqstar_ | Good ol' machines they made back in the day |
| 00:18.07 | cafuego | fan. how quaint. |
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| 00:27.08 | DexterF | had a CAD 386 back then at work. scsi disk sounded exactly like the nostromo's ship computer in "Alien" |
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| 00:37.23 | MACscr | when can i do with grub to make sure a cloned disk will boot correctly the first time? for some reason I typically have to remove the UUID options from grub and do /dev/sda instead, then update-grub once it boots and everything is fine. Since im doing this with 10 systems, id rather not have to console into every single one to fix it. |
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| 00:42.48 | thims | MACscr: Add an init script that regenerates the UUID before booting, then removes itself and exits after first boot? |
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| 00:43.27 | thims | I am guessing UUID's are generated using something off the hardware aswell that would cause a dd'd image across different machines to through a UUID out of whack. |
| 00:43.39 | MACscr | thims: if blkid shows the UUID as being the same on bough drives and i only have one connected at boot, why doesnt it work? |
| 00:43.40 | thims | s/through/throw/ |
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| 00:44.42 | MACscr | er, both |
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| 00:46.26 | nollidj | is something wrong with the apt mirror on debian.lcs.mit.edu? |
| 00:47.30 | thims | MACscr: I don't know. I was just taking a stab. I don't necessarily understand enough about how UUID's are generated to give further input. I would think the setup you have should be working just fine, but then again I have never done it. |
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| 01:01.09 | TuxBrother | If I want to make a deb from my last changes, how do I do that? |
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| 01:01.56 | MACscr | thims: weird stuff, so the grub that update-grub creates is the same as the one that was already there that wouldnt boot |
| 01:02.00 | MACscr | same UUID and everything |
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| 01:02.02 | MACscr | wth |
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| 01:02.59 | TuxBrother | Like when I installed some programs from scratch (no, they don't have the famous make install command) |
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| 01:10.27 | Mongo44 | I should have a 5 GB swap partition right? |
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| 01:11.38 | dvs | Mongo44: it depends how much memory you have. |
| 01:12.13 | Mongo44 | I will be starting a new so about 500 GB. |
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| 01:12.36 | keetrainchild | It used to be recommended to make swap twice your R.A.M., but that was back when people didn't have gigabytes of is. |
| 01:12.38 | MACscr | i would never do more than 2gb swap, even if you have 100gb ram |
| 01:13.07 | keetrainchild | I don't think that you reall have 500GB of memory, based on how you phrased that. |
| 01:13.07 | dvs | Mongo44: it depends how much RAM you have. |
| 01:13.34 | keetrainchild | It sounds like you have 500GB of hard drive space. |
| 01:13.56 | Mongo44 | Oh think about 8 GB. |
| 01:14.26 | keetrainchild | What are you going to do with the computer? |
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| 01:14.43 | keetrainchild | You might not even need swap, though you could set 2GB just to be safe. |
| 01:14.54 | waqstar_ | 2gb. If you need more than that get more ram. It's not feasible to write to swap all the time over 2gb ofdata |
| 01:15.17 | dvs | Mongo44: is it a laptop? |
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| 01:16.02 | Mongo44 | I am running 12.04 LTS I am going to maybe save a few papers I wrote and then write over the rest of it. |
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| 01:16.31 | Mongo44 | Yes, I have a two year old Toshiba Satellite. |
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| 01:17.08 | Mongo44 | I am reading the Debian install guide right now. It is pretty long. |
| 01:17.13 | dvs | Mongo44: If you want to use Suspend to RAM, you're swap has to be at least the size of RAM. Good luck with Ubuntu |
| 01:18.58 | thims | Mongo44: The installation of a standard Debian system shouldn't require reading the entire manual. |
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| 01:20.23 | Tramp | Isn't that "Suspend to Disk" where you need swap? |
| 01:20.48 | dvs | Ooops. That's what I meant. |
| 01:20.58 | Mongo44 | I need to write an ISO to a DVD. If you were here earlier you know that when I tried that last night it didn't work out. |
| 01:21.21 | dvs | Mongo44: Because you didn't use the netinst? |
| 01:21.53 | Mongo44 | I was using Jigdo and for some reason it took up all the space on my Wheezy VM. |
| 01:22.32 | Mongo44 | dvs, can I use the net install and then write it to a disk? |
| 01:23.12 | dvs | Mongo44: You can write the netinst to a CD/DVD or a USB flash drive. |
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| 01:25.19 | Mongo44 | If I had known that Jigdo sucks I wouldn't have used it in the first place. |
| 01:25.51 | dvs | Mongo44: Jigdo works for me but I'd rather use the netinst image. |
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| 01:26.48 | Mongo44 | I want amd64 for 64 bit right? |
| 01:26.58 | dondelelcaro | Mongo44: yes. |
| 01:27.07 | dvs | Mongo44: probably |
| 01:27.09 | dondelelcaro | (in general, you want amd64 nowadays unless you know that you want somethign else) |
| 01:27.17 | dvs | or get the multiarch if you're not sure. |
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| 01:29.01 | Mongo44 | Alright cool, the download is about 220 MB. I will create a 2 GB swap partition. Anything else I should know? |
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| 01:29.35 | dvs | Mongo44: Are you using a wired internet connection? |
| 01:30.03 | Mongo44 | I think I selected the wrong download. |
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| 01:32.08 | Mongo44 | Do I want the network boot which takes me to some German website? |
| 01:32.37 | Mongo44 | dvs, I am going to put this on a DVD. |
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| 01:32.59 | dvs | ???? |
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| 01:33.04 | cafuego | Desktop or laptop, Mongo44? |
| 01:33.16 | dvs | cafuego: Toshiba Satellite |
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| 01:33.24 | Mongo44 | Correct. |
| 01:33.41 | cafuego | How much ram? |
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| 01:33.47 | dvs | 8GB |
| 01:34.00 | cafuego | You'll want more than 2GB of swap then |
| 01:34.15 | dvs | same as RAM? |
| 01:34.19 | cafuego | You don't need to use it for swapping, but swap space is used to dump memory to enable hibernate. |
| 01:34.52 | cafuego | So *if* you want hibernate, make sure you have enough swap space to fit the ram :-) |
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| 01:36.59 | Mongo44 | If I don't have the swap and I shut the lid it won't hibernate? |
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| 01:37.16 | nf | Is anybody running Emacs 24 on Debian? |
| 01:37.20 | dvs | Mongo44: not with enough swap |
| 01:37.24 | cafuego | it might fail to hibernate, depends on how much rma is in use I guess. |
| 01:38.15 | Mongo44 | Alright I will max out the ram. |
| 01:38.19 | cafuego | Mind you, dumping 8GB to disk will take a pretty long time :-/ |
| 01:38.20 | dvs | nf: ask your real question |
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| 01:39.14 | Mongo44 | I want the small CD network install right? |
| 01:39.54 | dvs | Mongo44: what is the exact filename of the ISO you want to download? |
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| 01:40.56 | Mongo44 | debian-7.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 01:41.08 | dvs | That's the right one. |
| 01:41.18 | Mongo44 | Alright thanks. |
| 01:41.26 | dvs | Unless you're installing wirelessly. |
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| 01:43.27 | Mongo44 | I should look for a smaller disk to write to it would be a waste to burn something like 200MB to a 4.7 GB DVD. |
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| 01:44.05 | dvs | Mongo44: If you have one. A USB flash drive would be better if you can boot from one. |
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| 01:46.15 | nf | I restarted my computer and it boots to the command line instead of the Gnome desktop all of a sudden. Any ideas what happened? |
| 01:47.13 | Mongo44 | I am going to burn it to a 650 MB disk. |
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| 01:47.27 | dvs | sounds good |
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| 01:54.50 | Mongo44 | I am burning the image now. |
| 01:55.16 | dvs | No wait!!!! Just kidding. |
| 01:56.59 | Mongo44 | Any pointers before I go through this? Communication will be down until I can install an irc client from synaptic. |
| 01:57.23 | novice | Hi there! I'm new to linux and i can't seem to figure out how to install my favotire browser: "iron" from srware.net. could anyone help me with that please... the installation process confuses me a lot |
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| 02:00.25 | novice | i know it has something to do with apt-get, but i don't know what this means and in what ways it can be used |
| 02:01.00 | novice | to me, it seems like the -get part is variable... i don't understand why it isn't called apt |
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| 02:06.20 | ir8 | stupid question. |
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| 02:06.35 | ir8 | How does one drop a database inside of mongod? |
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| 02:07.22 | l3lu3 | novice: it appears to be a windows only binary. might have some success using wine |
| 02:08.07 | novice | are you sure |
| 02:08.09 | novice | ? |
| 02:08.16 | novice | below is a link: http://www.srware.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=7257 |
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| 02:08.51 | novice | on youtube i've seen people use .tar.gz on debian |
| 02:08.53 | l3lu3 | novice: my mistake, there wasn't a link on their download page |
| 02:09.06 | novice | but my guess is that i should use the .deb file |
| 02:09.15 | l3lu3 | novice: have you downloaded the appropriate .deb file (32 or 64 bit) |
| 02:09.30 | novice | yes |
| 02:09.37 | novice | the 32 bit |
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| 02:09.51 | l3lu3 | sudo dpkg -i DEB_PACKAGE |
| 02:10.14 | novice | i don't know what that means |
| 02:10.20 | l3lu3 | where DEB_PACKAGE is the name of the .deb, you'll do this inside a terminal |
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| 02:10.48 | l3lu3 | novice: do you know how to get to a terminal? |
| 02:11.01 | novice | yes |
| 02:11.27 | Mongo44 | This iso should work without any hassle right? |
| 02:11.27 | novice | could you explain what each keyword does? |
| 02:11.31 | l3lu3 | novice: next use "chdir /path/to/download/folder" |
| 02:13.30 | dvs | Mongo44: What kind of a network connection are you using? |
| 02:13.43 | Mongo44 | Wifi. |
| 02:13.50 | dvs | sighs |
| 02:14.36 | dvs | Mongo44: It might not work if it requires firmware. |
| 02:14.47 | Mongo44 | It worked the last time I installed an iso with wireless. |
| 02:15.00 | dvs | A Debian iso? |
| 02:15.16 | Mongo44 | I currently use a Wheezy VM. |
| 02:15.52 | dvs | The VM isn't taking care of the wireless connection. |
| 02:16.33 | Mongo44 | No it shows the connection is wired. |
| 02:16.48 | DynV | I resised /home and now there's more place for /usr but it won'T let me resize larger than it is, so now I want to copy the partition in a larger one. I used debian installer to try to do so but part of the error is: Compatible features are has_journal, dir_index, filetype, sparse_super, and large_file, Use tune2fs or debugfs to remove features. |
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| 02:18.12 | Mongo44 | dvs, are you saying I will have problems connecting to the internet? |
| 02:19.26 | dlynes | Does anyone know if there was an update to wheezy that would have caused X11 to not appear on amd/ati systems? |
| 02:19.43 | dvs | Mongo44: You might if you are using a wireless connection. I asked twice if you are usiing a wired connection and i didn't get an answer. |
| 02:20.21 | Mongo44 | Soo what do I need to do? |
| 02:20.59 | dvs | Mongo44: You can try this ISO but the wireless may not work. |
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| 02:22.34 | Mongo44 | For some reason I had a real hard time getting connected to my home network when I installed 12.04 LTS. |
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| 02:26.12 | thims | Does anyone happen to have a clue what could cause "su --" to break all Fn keys? It does it with a failed login or successfull one. |
| 02:26.43 | thims | Debian 7.3 |
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| 02:28.10 | Mongo44 | Anyone know where I can find a pdf of the install guide just in case I can't connect to the internet? |
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| 02:28.54 | thims | Mongo44: text2pdf? |
| 02:28.56 | vimel | https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/install.pdf.en |
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| 02:30.03 | Mongo44 | Thank you, vimel. |
| 02:30.12 | vimel | np. |
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| 02:31.16 | renovaatio | Hi, I have a thinkpad t420i, i just installed Jessie on it, and the wireless adapter is not showing in network-manager. I have install the non-free firmware ipw-2200 nedde for my device. I don't know where to start to find how to make it work. |
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| 02:32.20 | dlynes | Or perhaps someone might have an idea why an ati would just stop displaying x11 recently? i.e. x11's initialized, and no errors; laptop screen is backlit, but i don't see anything, alt-f1/alt-f2/... don't work, alt-bksp doesn't work, but I can still ssh in, and load average is normal |
| 02:33.01 | Mongo44 | Alright I believe I am ready there is no turning back. |
| 02:33.16 | thims | Good luck Mongo44 |
| 02:33.20 | dlynes | Mongo44: switching from ubuntu 12.04 to wheezy? |
| 02:33.20 | vimel | ^ |
| 02:35.27 | SirLagz | dlynes: reinstall the drivers. i ha the same issue |
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| 02:35.46 | thims | dlynes: I am not sure what ATI module you are running, but I found "success" with the driver straight from AMD. You can try the non-free module fglrx-driver and see if the issue presists. |
| 02:35.58 | SirLagz | non-free driver that is |
| 02:36.11 | dlynes | SirLagz: I did reinstall the ati non-free driver, but it's still fubar |
| 02:36.17 | thims | I had odd issues with every driver and just had to find a combination that was lest combersome. |
| 02:36.21 | solarseed | what is a good system monitor for xfce on wheezy? |
| 02:36.53 | SirLagz | dlynes: uninstall it correctly |
| 02:36.55 | SirLagz | er |
| 02:36.56 | SirLagz | completely |
| 02:37.06 | vimel | htop is pretty good, you can also use gnome-system-monitor |
| 02:37.09 | SirLagz | uninstall it completely and see if you can get X11 going |
| 02:37.46 | dlynes | SirLagz: thims: I've been running Wheezy on this machine with the binary download since January of last year...it just decided to go for a crap this past week |
| 02:37.55 | solarseed | thx vimel |
| 02:38.02 | vimel | np |
| 02:38.07 | dlynes | Installed the latest binary download, and it's still toast |
| 02:38.15 | thims | dlynes: update||upgrade? |
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| 02:38.25 | renovaatio | I forgot to say I am with KDE |
| 02:38.38 | thims | I don't know. I have since made the decision to completely step away from ATI GPU's. |
| 02:38.54 | dlynes | thims: tried apt-get update && apt-get upgrade...didn't seem to have an effect |
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| 02:39.16 | thims | Ah, I meant did and update/upgrade break things. But still good to know. |
| 02:39.29 | thims | What was your most recent change before it happened? |
| 02:39.33 | dlynes | thims: I don't believe so |
| 02:39.44 | vimel | renovaatio: when you type lspci -knn | grep -EiA2 net in terminal what do you get? |
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| 02:40.55 | vimel | afk |
| 02:43.05 | renovaatio | vimel: do you mean lspci -knn | grep -E iA2 |
| 02:43.07 | renovaatio | ?? |
| 02:43.14 | dlynes | thims: mysql client, server, libcurl, curl |
| 02:43.24 | dlynes | thims: other than that, nothing else recent enough |
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| 02:46.07 | iateadonut | when i type in 'php -v' at the command line, it says php 5.3.17, but after i try in every spot listed in 'whereis php', i can't find anything that says 'php 5.3.17' - they all say php 5.3.28. how do i know what file is executing when i type 'php -v' from the command line? |
| 02:46.26 | dlynes | iateadonut: which php |
| 02:47.24 | dlynes | iateadonut: found it now? |
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| 02:49.22 | harcesz | abrotman: you should know better |
| 02:49.32 | iateadonut | dlynes, thanks. |
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| 02:50.33 | dlynes | iateadonut: btw, if you're ever searching for something, you can use slocate, too (apt-get install mlocate ; updatedb && locate searchterm) |
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| 02:52.03 | solarseed | what is a good screenshot package for xfce in wheezy? |
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| 02:52.22 | pupil | hello |
| 02:52.26 | pupil | good morning |
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| 02:53.13 | solarseed | hi pupil |
| 02:53.20 | pupil | i want to try debian testing (jessi) |
| 02:53.32 | pupil | i'm aware that jessi is less stable than wheezy |
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| 02:54.26 | pupil | is there any package that should be kept is stable state to prevent crash while i'm upgrading to jessi? |
| 02:54.37 | centrx | Nope |
| 02:54.51 | thims | solarseed: imagemagick and the import command. |
| 02:54.51 | centrx | pupil, It used to be recommended to upgrade apt and dpkg first |
| 02:54.57 | vimel | solarseed: xfce4-screenshooter |
| 02:55.27 | centrx | pupil, And of course, you want to use dist-upgrade |
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| 02:55.41 | pupil | centrx: is there any other critical package to be kept stable?? |
| 02:56.16 | centrx | pupil, Don't keep any package in stable. They should all be upgraded, or you will end up with "Frankendebian" |
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| 02:56.45 | pupil | centrx: do you mean dependencies problem?? |
| 02:57.02 | thims | centrx: Lol |
| 02:57.10 | centrx | pupil, Yes |
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| 02:58.22 | solarseed | thx again vimel |
| 02:58.31 | pupil | thanks guys |
| 02:58.31 | vimel | np. |
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| 02:58.44 | pupil | btw, when does jessi officially release?? |
| 02:59.02 | vimel | your guess is as good as ours. |
| 02:59.10 | pupil | :) |
| 02:59.15 | vimel | we really dont know. |
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| 02:59.33 | centrx | pupil, It is planned for early 2015 |
| 02:59.44 | pupil | actually, this why i prefer debian to Ubuntu |
| 03:00.08 | pupil | debian people don't rush for new release :) |
| 03:00.09 | vimel | you must like your privacy too. |
| 03:00.12 | napcae | why is ack by default installed? |
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| 03:00.42 | LtL | pupil: when you edit sources.list be aware the name is 'jessie' |
| 03:01.07 | LtL | or testing |
| 03:01.19 | pupil | LtL: thanks for the information |
| 03:02.57 | mcuran | can anybody tell me a good way to locate a memory leak/process killer? |
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| 03:03.38 | centrx | mcuran, valgrind |
| 03:03.39 | pupil | mcuran: use top |
| 03:03.40 | mcuran | I have jessie/sid installed and for some reason it's just crawling, using 98% of my 4cores (dual xeons) and most my 6GB of memory at itls |
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| 03:03.57 | mcuran | yeah I used valgrind, but don't understand the output |
| 03:04.00 | centrx | mcuran, What happened with the gnome-shell? |
| 03:04.10 | mcuran | that's still my issue |
| 03:04.29 | mcuran | I'm pretty sure it's gnome-shell that's the culprit |
| 03:04.47 | centrx | Oh I guess gnome-shell is actually the Gnome GUI. I thought it was a terminal |
| 03:04.47 | pupil | related to mcuran, my icedove is consume almost all my memory and cpu since just yesterday :( |
| 03:04.50 | mcuran | I wanna get the nvidia driver installed but there's no patch yet cause the 3.14 kernel just came out last night |
| 03:05.10 | mcuran | so it's not just me, ya think? |
| 03:05.29 | mcuran | it's been really slow for about 4 days though |
| 03:05.37 | mcuran | since I installed it |
| 03:05.47 | centrx | mcuran, Is all the software updated to the latest version? |
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| 03:06.05 | l3lu3 | mcuran: what's top telling you? |
| 03:06.18 | mcuran | yep |
| 03:06.30 | mcuran | all updated to latest, hold on I'll check out top |
| 03:06.36 | mcuran | should I sort it by memory |
| 03:06.50 | l3lu3 | either or if it's bringing down both |
| 03:07.22 | centrx | mcuran, There are several bugs reported for this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gnome-shell;dist=unstable |
| 03:07.34 | l3lu3 | ^ |
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| 03:14.42 | renovaatio | Hi, I have a thinkpad t420i, i just installed Jessie on it, and the wireless adapter is not showing in network-manager. I have install the non-free firmware ipw-2200 nedde for my device. I don't know where to start to find how to make it work. I amm using KDE |
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| 03:15.50 | centrx | renovaatio, Do you see the device if you do lspci ? |
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| 03:15.59 | mcuran | top is stating that gnome-shell followed by prosvc are the cpu and memory hogs, but mostly just gnome-shell. is there a way to identify a leak? |
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| 03:16.17 | michaelmath | why are things like basic man page packages not in "main" why does gcc-doc for example not follow debian guidelines |
| 03:16.25 | centrx | mcuran, Are you planning to debug gnome-shell to patch the bug? |
| 03:16.30 | renovaatio | centrx: yes |
| 03:16.32 | renovaatio | 03:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01) |
| 03:16.48 | centrx | michaelmath, http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 03:16.53 | themill | michaelmath: the gcc documentation is not freely modifiable so it's not in main. |
| 03:17.15 | mcuran | gnome-shell is using 312% of CPU |
| 03:17.19 | themill | michaelmath: (obviously we'd rather that it were in main and that it were modifiable) |
| 03:18.04 | themill | renovaatio: that's not ipw2200 |
| 03:18.35 | themill | dpkg: tell renovaatio about realtek firmware |
| 03:18.45 | centrx | Aha! |
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| 03:19.00 | mcuran | never builds |
| 03:19.03 | centrx | mcuran, My recommendation is don't use Gnome :) |
| 03:19.13 | mcuran | haha i know right. fuck |
| 03:19.26 | dvs | !centrx++ |
| 03:19.40 | l3lu3 | centrx: i concure |
| 03:20.50 | centrx | mcuran, There are several workarounds listed in the bug reports, but not clear which would work for you |
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| 03:20.58 | renovaatio | themill: so "apt-get install firmware-realtek & reboot" then? |
| 03:21.22 | centrx | mcuran, gnome-shell is apparently simply notoriously leaking memory and using all the CPU |
| 03:21.24 | vimel | renovaatio: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Debian_7.0_.22Wheezy.22 |
| 03:21.39 | themill | renovaatio: rebooting shouldn't be required. "modprobe -r rtl8192ce modprobe rtl8192ce" is probably all that is necessary |
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| 03:21.53 | themill | (assuming I've divined the correct module name) |
| 03:21.54 | renovaatio | vimel themill thanks a lot |
| 03:22.26 | vimel | np. |
| 03:23.06 | michaelmath | themill: so I have to add exemptions for these packages to my sources? how would I do that |
| 03:23.36 | themill | dpkg: tell michaelmath about non-free sources |
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| 03:25.34 | michaelmath | I don't want ALL non-free or contrib packages |
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| 03:25.50 | centrx | sources is the source, not the installer |
| 03:26.05 | michaelmath | I suppose I'll just manually install |
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| 03:26.23 | centrx | ... |
| 03:26.41 | themill | michaelmath: packages only get installed from there if you ask for them |
| 03:27.30 | michaelmath | I know but depends and such makes me look down the tree |
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| 03:27.53 | michaelmath | what I approve of and dont |
| 03:27.58 | michaelmath | I'm picky anyway thanks |
| 03:28.13 | themill | (you should be able to pin it to require an even bigger hammer to install things from those sections, but I don't think that achieves much over the current) |
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| 03:59.47 | Neytiri | does anyone have expirence setting up a open vpn client on debain |
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| 04:00.26 | dondelelcaro | Neytiri: yes, but best to just ask your question |
| 04:00.35 | mns | is there something wrong with debian.lcs.mit.edu repository ? I keep getting the following: Release file for http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/dists/testing/InRelease is expired (invalid since 13h 9min 42s) |
| 04:01.04 | centrx | mns, Yes I am getting that too. I assume it will be fixed soon/tomorrow |
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| 04:01.29 | dondelelcaro | mns: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 04:01.56 | mns | centrx: good to know I'm ont the only one getting it. dondelelcaro: thanks I'll look at that. |
| 04:01.56 | Neytiri | ok, i have a open vpn server running on a pfsens e2.1 router, and a client on an additional pfsense 2.1 router, i am moving the client to a debian box and i have no idea how to adapt the config file to work or the debina box |
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| 04:04.14 | dondelelcaro | Neytiri: if everyting is running openvpn, the config file will be the same |
| 04:04.45 | mns | dondelelcaro: seems like debian.lcs.mit.edu is not listed on that page. |
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| 04:05.04 | dondelelcaro | mns: I think it's the csail mirror |
| 04:05.27 | nf | Hello, could anybody guide me on how I would go about installing Emacs 24 on my Debian Wheezy. I would rather not open the system up to the unstable/testing repo. Is it possible to install it with the Emacs24.tar.gz file from the GNU site? |
| 04:05.30 | themill | it's problematic on a regular basis too... http.debian.net might be a good choice |
| 04:05.45 | Neytiri | well i am having issues adapting the client form a bsd box to debain |
| 04:05.47 | Cannibal | I have an interesting question: I have a device on my network where I cannot change its IP address (192.168.1.2). I also have to NAT to allow boxes access to the internet. I figured out that I need to create eth0:0 for the device, (eth0 with range of 10.0.0.0/8 is the internal net) but I'm having difficuly with giving access to local network to the device. How do I make this work? |
| 04:06.09 | dondelelcaro | Neytiri: feel free to paste your config along with the error message |
| 04:07.01 | mns | nf: you'll have to build it yourself if you download emacs24.tar.gz, but yes you could do it that way. |
| 04:07.29 | dondelelcaro | Cannibal: if you have a gateway which has an interface on 192.168.1.0/24, then you can have whatever that machine is forward packages from 10.0.0.0/8 to 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 04:07.36 | dondelelcaro | (and vice versa) |
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| 04:09.31 | nf | mns: Is the process very difficult? I'm up to try it if it's within my skill level. Is there any guide in particular I should follow or just a general software build guide? |
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| 04:10.52 | Cannibal | dondelelcaro: ? I'm not good with iptables. Is this a "I'm going to slap myself for not understanding a one-liner" or is this more involved? |
| 04:10.58 | mns | nf: as long as you have the libraries and autotools installed, you should be fine. having said that, why do you want emacs24 instead of emacs23 which is in wheezy ? |
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| 04:11.21 | dondelelcaro | Cannibal: there's no iptables needed; this is just straight routing |
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| 04:13.12 | Cannibal | dondelelcaro: 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 04:13.27 | Cannibal | dondelelcaro: Should that read eth0:0? |
| 04:13.32 | aarcane | How does one update the checksums in a .dsc files and then sign it? I can't find it on google |
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| 04:14.09 | nf | mns: A bunch of stuff in my config doesn't work in 23 |
| 04:14.19 | cafuego | which apckage are you backdooring? |
| 04:14.35 | nf | mns: could you link me to a good general guide of building or something? I'm not sure where to begin. |
| 04:15.00 | aarcane | cafuego, I'm building ruby 2.1.0 actually. |
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| 04:15.44 | cafuego | assuming the changelog has your email address on the latest entry (dch -i) the generated dsc file will get signed with the associated gpg key. |
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| 04:17.58 | mns | nf: I think there is a README or INSTALL file that comes with the source. that would be your best start. its not that complicated. |
| 04:18.36 | Neytiri | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/ReG73t6p |
| 04:18.40 | mns | nf: its a lot easier now, than what it used to be back when I started with emacs around version 18.57 or something :) |
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| 04:19.01 | napcae | lol |
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| 04:19.30 | nf | mns: Ok cool, so the tar.gz that I downloaded is the actual source, I don't need to get it from github or anything? |
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| 04:20.28 | nf | mns: I think I found all the documentation within the file, thanks for the pointers. I might ask for some help if I run into trouble. |
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| 04:21.05 | mns | nf: you should go and ask in the #emacs channel if you have trouble. |
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| 04:21.47 | Derzu | How many HHD space does lxde needs on Debian? |
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| 04:23.42 | themill | Derzu: task-lxde-desktop + base install needs about 2GB of disk space. |
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| 04:25.53 | Derzu | tx |
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| 04:39.03 | aarcane | so uh.. when I run dpkg-buildpackage, the changed-by field gets set to username@hostname, but I need it to be set to my e-mail ddress. Where do I set the username string it should use for me ? |
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| 04:39.30 | Waster | hello all, just have very strange freezes after upgrading squeeze to wheezy amd64. No messages in logs, just 120 sec hang message on the console. I installed kdump but no report with next freeze. How can I debug server freeze in that case? |
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| 04:39.59 | dondelelcaro | Waster: are you actually seeing hangs, or just messages that processes are hung? |
| 04:40.30 | Waster | server comes completely unresponsive |
| 04:41.10 | Waster | and I see only messages on the console "blocked more than 120 seconds" |
| 04:41.32 | Waster | no any other messages in the logs |
| 04:41.40 | dondelelcaro | Waster: you should see other things in dmesg |
| 04:42.22 | Waster | no other messages after reboot, it's true |
| 04:42.35 | Neytiri | well i manged to get the open vpn client connected, how doi get it to route all traffic over the open vpn loink |
| 04:42.37 | centrx | before reboot |
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| 04:43.43 | Waster | I'm using manually compiled vlc and ffmpeg and it seems that it can be reason of that. Very strange that on Debian Squeeze everything works fine |
| 04:44.18 | dondelelcaro | Neytiri: usually you set it as the default gateway, or similar |
| 04:44.21 | centrx | Waster, Did you recompile these after upgrading |
| 04:44.26 | dondelelcaro | Neytiri: but it depends on precisely what you're trying to do |
| 04:44.29 | Waster | how can I can be sure that it's vlc? May be some deadlock? |
| 04:44.32 | Waster | sure |
| 04:44.58 | Waster | and even newer stable version |
| 04:45.00 | Neytiri | well i have a /26 routed to my router at one of my data centers |
| 04:45.06 | dondelelcaro | Waster: could be almost anything; hard to say, really |
| 04:45.33 | Waster | I checked disks also and even change one in raid5 because of lots of non-medium errors |
| 04:45.45 | Neytiri | and i am trying to route it to my facility here, i got the open vpn link up but i cant seem to get the traffic routed through the vpn link |
| 04:45.54 | Waster | Is there a way to debug that? |
| 04:45.57 | Waster | mcelog? |
| 04:46.00 | aphorise | Is there anyway to catch bad condition / exit of ./exec to re-run it? |
| 04:46.15 | aphorise | for example where seg fault / errors occure. |
| 04:46.51 | Waster | I just need to now how to debug such freezes with no messages in logs and identify process causing this |
| 04:47.07 | dondelelcaro | Neytiri: do you want to route all traffic? or just traffic to that /26? |
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| 04:47.31 | dondelelcaro | Neytiri: but in any event, you set up a static route so that you can get to the remote openvpn server, and then you set up a default gateway to route everything else |
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| 04:47.57 | Neytiri | thats whati was thinking |
| 04:47.57 | dondelelcaro | Neytiri: you can either do that using post-up rules, or through exec commands in your openvpn configuration |
| 04:48.12 | Neytiri | how woudl i do it in the vpn confguraton |
| 04:48.39 | dondelelcaro | Neytiri: with up/down commands in the configuration |
| 04:49.22 | Neytiri | do you have a example? |
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| 04:58.05 | nf | mns: Couldn't get any help in the Emacs channel... When I run the compile script, I'm met with this error: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8798259 , how can this be if emacs 23 runs fine? Does 24 need all new libraries or something? |
| 04:58.44 | centrx | nf, You need to install the development/header libraries to compile |
| 04:58.57 | dondelelcaro | nf: is there some reason why you don't just use the emacs24 packages we have? |
| 04:59.15 | dondelelcaro | nf: or backport them using ssb? |
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| 05:00.19 | nf | dondelelcaro: Can I get the emacs24 package for Wheezy? Do I need to open up the test/unstable repo? Last time I tried something like that it sort of borked my system |
| 05:00.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell nf -about ssb |
| 05:01.43 | centrx | What does ssb stand for |
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| 05:02.22 | dondelelcaro | centrx: simple sid backport |
| 05:02.31 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: literal ssb |
| 05:02.31 | dpkg | "ssb" is "<reply> see simple sid backport" |
| 05:02.41 | fsf-free | hello in debian 7.3 with greybird theme on I see White Fonts in transmission also when i am trying to log out and it needs to tell me about system policy |
| 05:02.47 | dondelelcaro | (in case you wanted to verify) |
| 05:03.04 | centrx | Thanks. I believe you. |
| 05:03.25 | centrx | dondelelcaro: tell centrx -about ssb |
| 05:04.38 | nf | dondelelcaro: Awesome, I didn't know about this. I'm going to attempt to build this as a learning experience though, I figured out how to clean up all the errors (by installing all of the dependencies of the previous version through apt-get) |
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| 05:24.49 | J33p | on wheezy is there a command to adjust hdmi screen brightness? |
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| 05:25.34 | J33p | also got wheezy on a box with vga out, been googling |
| 05:27.11 | Neytiri | hi i am having a routing issue, i have 2 pfsense boxes between a Debian box all 3 doing routing pf sense box A can talk to the Debian interface side of box B and pfsense box B can talk to the Debian interface side of box A but box A cant talk to Box B |
| 05:27.29 | Neytiri | there are no firewall rules involved and best i can tell the routing issue is on the debian box |
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| 05:30.41 | Okee | I am getting an error that indicates Ice Weasel is already running and can't be opened. However, at the command line I find no such running process when running TOP. What should I do? I have tried restarting IceWeasel several times, and this was right after a fresh reboot. |
| 05:30.53 | Okee | I am taking a break, and will return in 30 minutes. I will respond then. |
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| 05:31.52 | Okee | I am getting the same error when attempting top open Iceape Navigator (Sea Monkey) |
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| 05:32.02 | Okee | Opera won't open, and neither will Chromium. |
| 05:32.05 | centrx | Okee, killall iceweasel or killall -9 iceweasel |
| 05:32.07 | J33p | killall? |
| 05:32.20 | J33p | ah something else then |
| 05:32.31 | Okee | centrx> None of them are open, and there is nothing to kill. I have check at the command line while running TOP. |
| 05:33.00 | firebalrog | check permissions in user directory browsers do a lot of writting |
| 05:33.15 | themill | top is unlikely to actually show all your processes, but all the browsers failing is odd |
| 05:33.31 | Okee | Until today, I have never had any problems running Debian stable, and I have been running it awhile, but today there are several irregularities, which makes me suspicious of some potential hardware issue. Earlier today I lost the panel in XFCE4. I was able to bring it back by typing xfce4-panel at the command line. |
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| 05:41.12 | shawnbon206_ | can someone help me figure out why a printer is not working? |
| 05:42.15 | centrx | shawnbon206, Is it plugged in? |
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| 05:42.34 | shawnbon206_ | -_- |
| 05:43.04 | joj | shawnbon206_: did you/how did you configure CUPS? |
| 05:43.17 | shawnbon206_ | cups was installed by tasksel |
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| 05:43.44 | themill | install ≠ configure |
| 05:43.44 | shawnbon206_ | then i already have the correct driver for the printer, this one is using cupswrapper |
| 05:44.19 | shawnbon206_ | hold on i have a diagnostics page from the printer with networking info, maybe someone more experienced than me should see it. scanning it now |
| 05:44.45 | themill | .o0( next question: how do I set up my scanner ) |
| 05:45.00 | shawnbon206_ | install simple scan? |
| 05:45.11 | joj | sane is the way to go |
| 05:46.00 | J33p | xgamma -d :0.0 -gamma 1 |
| 05:46.09 | J33p | that resets the gamma from command line |
| 05:46.09 | shawnbon206_ | wth |
| 05:46.23 | J33p | so to increase brightness could choose 2 etc |
| 05:46.32 | J33p | that's good enough for me |
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| 05:48.44 | J33p | so if you wanted to dim it by .5 command would be xgamma -d :0.0 -gamma .5 |
| 05:48.54 | J33p | this works on hdmi out and vga out from cli |
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| 05:52.08 | shawnbon206_ | https://www.dropbox.com/s/gt0606xrryh23g9/network_print-page.pdf |
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| 05:52.14 | mcurran | am i working |
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| 05:52.46 | mcurran | I just installed the nvidia repo drivers and now get the "Oops..." message for all my kernels with gnome |
| 05:52.52 | mcurran | I love how gnome is so broken now |
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| 05:53.12 | mcurran | 5 days of customizations down the shitter, AGAIN! |
| 05:53.25 | joj | shawnbon206_: you did all of this http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/instruction_prn1a.html, yes? |
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| 05:53.48 | shawnbon206_ | yes |
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| 05:54.18 | shawnbon206_ | it shows my printer when i put in the uri it says its .. hold on |
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| 05:56.29 | shawnbon206_ | Processing - The printer is in use. |
| 05:56.52 | shawnbon206_ | using lpd://10.0.1.2/binary_p1 |
| 05:57.24 | joj | shawnbon206_: well *is* it in use? |
| 05:57.29 | shawnbon206_ | no |
| 05:57.43 | shawnbon206_ | printer has green light |
| 05:57.53 | shawnbon206_ | ready |
| 05:59.41 | shawnbon206_ | http://hastebin.com/qahohumime.hs |
| 06:00.58 | joj | "Did you try turning it off and on again?" after install <- propriertary software ahoy. A simple PPD files is all one would need, no crazy packacages. Maybe try the "AppSocket/HP JetDirect" type instaed of the LDP/LPR protocol. Correct printer model ? |
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| 06:01.27 | shawnbon206_ | http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/BSC/public/us/us/en/faq/faq/000000/002500/000007/faq002507_000.html?reg=us&c=us&lang=en&prod=hl2170w_all |
| 06:01.32 | shawnbon206_ | i think this might be it |
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| 06:03.13 | joj | Oh yes. Just like it says on your status page. |
| 06:03.48 | shawnbon206_ | yeah aparently when you hold the start button for 15 seconds to print a network page it also toggles the active inactive |
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| 06:03.50 | shawnbon206_ | lol |
| 06:03.59 | shawnbon206_ | so you always have to print two |
| 06:04.06 | mcurran | Does anyone here have nvidia drivers working (proprietary) with the latest kernel 3.13 or above? |
| 06:04.29 | shawnbon206_ | still havent gotten it to work yet but now i have an ounce of hope |
| 06:04.37 | shawnbon206_ | lpd uri didnt work |
| 06:05.14 | joj | CUPS is an abyss of pitfalls and caveats. Plus the printers themselves. |
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| 06:06.57 | mcurran | when is someone going to build a menuconfig wrapper that automatically optimizes your kernel build options for hardware detection, so that it removes all the modules that are irrelevant to your hardware? |
| 06:07.13 | mcurran | is the kernel so small that optimization is basically unnecessary? |
| 06:07.35 | mcurran | I would think not, it's the biggest source I've ever pulled from a repository |
| 06:07.57 | shawnbon206_ | Processing - The printer is in use. |
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| 06:08.13 | mcurran | I guess you could just take the time to go through it all and then save your configs |
| 06:09.01 | fsf-free | how does gnash function ? |
| 06:09.02 | fsf-free | is it good ? |
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| 06:11.58 | mcurran | has joined #debian |
| 06:12.17 | centrx | *claps* |
| 06:12.18 | mcurran | lot of activity, is there a way to block that out from your client? |
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| 06:18.04 | centrx | "Settings" ? |
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| 06:23.17 | shawnbon206_ | well i at least got it printing on USB |
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| 06:23.49 | fsf-free | shawnbon206, which DE and theme do you use ? |
| 06:23.58 | shawnbon206_ | gnome 3.8, stock? |
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| 06:24.23 | shawnbon206_ | i am easily amused simply by changing the wallpaper |
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| 06:29.52 | fsf-free | shawnbon206_, I use xfce |
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| 06:30.58 | DynV | there was a notice on the system tray about gnome not loading properly, I clicked on it before reading it and it vanish, how can I see the message? |
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| 06:32.12 | shawnbon206_ | narf |
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| 06:34.16 | DynV | in the startup programs there'S the notification deamon |
| 06:34.20 | DynV | I think that could be it |
| 06:34.25 | DynV | how can I access it? |
| 06:34.40 | fsf-free | I think Debian is the most stable OS out there |
| 06:34.51 | fsf-free | so stable that it won't ever crash for me |
| 06:35.28 | fsf-free | guys i cannot run smplayer well in debian though .. what all codecs do I need to download? |
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| 06:44.30 | Neytiri | how do i fiward icmp though my debian box which is setup as a router |
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| 06:45.40 | rjsalts | Neytiri: forward or firewall? |
| 06:45.47 | Neytiri | foward |
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| 06:45.56 | Neytiri | when i do a traceroute it dies at the debain router |
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| 06:46.20 | Neytiri | and all the other hops time out |
| 06:46.29 | rjsalts | Neytiri: you have an iptables rule on FILTER blocking it? |
| 06:46.34 | Neytiri | no |
| 06:46.47 | Neytiri | iptables is all allow allow |
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| 07:11.15 | pfote | whoa this "glipper" (gnome version of klipper) leaks memory like nothin else |
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| 07:14.48 | rfree | hi, would anyone spare a moment and beta-test my secure kernel for debian buildscript + samekernel script |
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| 07:22.58 | blitz233 | Hi, is there anyone here? |
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| 07:23.26 | blitz233 | I need some help with cron on a server |
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| 07:24.09 | SirLagz | blitz233: whats cron not doing ? |
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| 07:25.04 | blitz233 | I wanted to run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade once a day on a Debian 7.3 |
| 07:25.14 | blitz233 | x86 system |
| 07:25.23 | blitz233 | Could I get a simple how to |
| 07:25.24 | blitz233 | in short |
| 07:25.43 | SirLagz | google ? |
| 07:25.45 | themill | install cron-apt |
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| 07:26.09 | blitz233 | apt-get install cron-apt |
| 07:26.10 | blitz233 | done |
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| 07:27.06 | zvz | does anyone else use the MIT mirror? how long do mirrors tend to stay down when they do go down? |
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| 07:29.24 | FungiFox | dang, look at how this dude flys his rc coptor. http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/here-s-the-most-stunning-drone-porn-video-you-ll-watch-today |
| 07:29.32 | FungiFox | look how he straight up mobs that thing through the woods. |
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| 07:32.51 | saivert | →← |
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| 07:59.19 | lkeijser | hi, I just ran rkhunter and it mentioned /etc/init.d/hdparm as a possible rootkit. I've checked and that file is supplied by package hdparm (duh), but when I run 'debsums hdparm' it doesn't mention /etc/init.d/hdparm ... why is that? |
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| 08:02.27 | lkeijser | ah n/m , forgot to add param '-a' |
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| 08:15.02 | aborrero | I would like to use 'rpmlint' on Debian, but I don't see it in the archive nor any ITP |
| 08:15.04 | aborrero | any idea? |
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| 08:16.42 | shawnbon206 | centrx themill joj turbs out i wasnt doing anything wrong, its like the firmware had crashed |
| 08:17.32 | shawnbon206 | i wiped the internal settings and i had to boot into win7 to train it to the SSID and whatnot |
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| 08:18.06 | shawnbon206 | then when i booted back into linux it worked every which way to sunday no matter what protocol i used or URI |
| 08:18.44 | shawnbon206 | so it was a fluke |
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| 08:22.19 | Moor | Question: If you're running Testing or Unstable, and you want to be sure that a package will never break, would it work to pin the package from stable? |
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| 08:22.43 | Moor | Is this a dumb idea? (If so, briefly why?) Is it unlikely to work? |
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| 08:24.29 | aborrero | Moor, could you elaborate 'break'? |
| 08:26.58 | ChrisH | Moor: If you run Testing or Unstable you have to expect something can break. To avoid that use stable and backports. |
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| 08:36.32 | shawnbon206 | hey guys any idea as to what the default DE of jessie will be? |
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| 08:39.41 | fsf-free | shawnbon206, xfce |
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| 08:39.52 | fsf-free | what is the fonts cache command if i just added new fonts ? |
| 08:40.13 | ikonia | fc-cache ? |
| 08:40.36 | vivia | fc-cache -fv (i think) |
| 08:42.03 | viscera | fsf-free, pretty sure it's gnome |
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| 08:43.20 | Moor | Sorry! Blanked out and didn't respond. If, say, I wanted to always be sure I'd have a working "nano", and didn't care about new features or anything. (Nano may be a bad example, or maybe there aren't any good ones and ti's a silly idea) If I just wanted nano to be sure to be stable, would pinning it to stable sucessfully ensure that it would only be installed from stable? |
| 08:43.59 | fsf-free | also how can I change file permission in xfce via cli |
| 08:44.00 | fsf-free | :] |
| 08:46.32 | colo-work | fsf-free, by using chmod on your shell, like with any other DE? |
| 08:46.39 | Moor | Or would that wind up with bad mixes of packages and stuff, because of libs, or because of libs make nano no more stable than from (testing|unstable)? |
| 08:47.32 | fsf-free | vivia, colo-work I copied all fonts i wanted in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/new folder and fc-cache -fv it and still i cannot see no fonts in libre office why ? |
| 08:48.12 | colo-work | fsf-free, does fc-list list the new fonts? |
| 08:48.24 | vivia | fsf-free: did you run fc-cache with root permission? |
| 08:48.44 | vivia | fsf-free: also it might be the new folder causing issues for you |
| 08:48.58 | ChrisH | Moor: If you run Testing or Unstable you have to expect something can break. To avoid that use stable and backports. |
| 08:49.09 | vivia | back in the old days you had to add it to xorg.conf, now i don't know what happened, i do it on the gui instead |
| 08:49.26 | fsf-free | colo-work, vivia fc-cache from root ya |
| 08:49.34 | fsf-free | fc-list list ? |
| 08:49.53 | fsf-free | fc-list list the fonts yet |
| 08:49.55 | fsf-free | yep |
| 08:49.56 | fsf-free | :] |
| 08:50.02 | colo-work | did you restart LO? |
| 08:50.06 | colo-work | it might need that |
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| 08:50.08 | fsf-free | LO ? |
| 08:50.15 | fsf-free | colo-work, What is LO ? |
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| 08:50.34 | colo-work | libreoffice... |
| 08:51.03 | oznt | I am trying to figure out which python version was used when compiling mod_wsgi on my system, but ldd mod_wsgi.so does not show linking to python, does someone have any other idea ? |
| 08:51.06 | fsf-free | thrice |
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| 08:52.26 | FunkyBob | so... ever since I upgraded to systemd-sysv so I could have suspend-on-lid-close back... I think my laptop is running hotter than before |
| 08:52.32 | FunkyBob | what can I do to track down a culprit? |
| 08:53.04 | wols_ | powertop |
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| 08:54.26 | FunkyBob | oh and also... any idea whose fault it is my trackpad was changed from "scroll on side" to "two finger scroll with random fling when you lift a finger"? is it an X thing, a kernel driver thing, or Gnome? |
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| 08:57.55 | FunkyBob | ok... powertop showed a lot of "bad" in tunables... |
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| 09:00.47 | fsf-free | guys I cannot install fonts in my debian |
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| 09:01.42 | ikonia | fsf-free: you need to be more specific |
| 09:02.01 | fsf-free | ikonia, I copied all my fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/new |
| 09:02.07 | fsf-free | i fc-cache -fv |
| 09:02.09 | fsf-free | from root |
| 09:02.23 | fsf-free | also fc-list list shows the fonts |
| 09:02.26 | fsf-free | but a user cannot see and use :[ |
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| 09:05.21 | fsf-free | ikonia, all the fonts file have a lock sign on the right .. what does it mean? i think its permission issue |
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| 09:06.36 | fsf-free | When I right click them in the drive I cannot see properties its inactive |
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| 09:07.35 | znf | Hello. How would I go about installing pure-ftpd and proftpd on the same machine? I seem to be running into an issue with because they both provide ftp-server; |
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| 09:10.23 | FunkyBob | wols_: thanks for the tip... will see how it goes |
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| 09:16.15 | iceroot | znf: why do you want 2 ftp server? normally you dont even want one ftp server because its insecure |
| 09:16.58 | znf | iceroot, a friend of mine was asking, no idea why he needs both though; but it got me thinking and I couldn't figure out a way |
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| 09:18.03 | iceroot | znf: both will listen on port 22 which is not possible, so you have to reconfigure one of them but i still can not find a reason to install two ftp server |
| 09:18.10 | iceroot | port 21 |
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| 09:18.28 | bhuddah | good lord! |
| 09:18.30 | bhuddah | why? |
| 09:18.49 | znf | iceroot, nevermind the port issue; I realize of that, and it's easily changeable; I still can't find a good reasoning on why they would conflict on that |
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| 09:19.12 | iceroot | znf: maybe because there is a "conflict" set in the package |
| 09:19.16 | joj | fsf-free: a) make sure the permissions are 644 on the font files b) fc-list from a non-root user should display the fonts too |
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| 09:19.35 | znf | iceroot, I know there is a conflict set in the package; I just can't figure out who thought that would be a good idea... |
| 09:19.50 | iceroot | znf: every normal person i guess |
| 09:19.51 | znf | I mean, http servers don't conflict, and they all run on the same port by default |
| 09:19.56 | iceroot | znf: you dont want two ftp server |
| 09:20.04 | znf | What if I do? |
| 09:20.19 | fsf-free | joj, What is 644? |
| 09:20.27 | iceroot | znf: its like "droping a laptop from the roof" you can do that but its not a good idea |
| 09:20.31 | fsf-free | joj, What is 644? I just set 755 and now it works :[ |
| 09:20.40 | znf | iceroot, that's not a good analogy |
| 09:20.48 | FungiFox | znf: you can customize one server to have multiple directories/users and whatnot. can you explain why you want two? |
| 09:20.58 | FungiFox | just cause? |
| 09:21.04 | iceroot | znf: why maintaining two ftp server? there is no single reason for that |
| 09:21.10 | znf | FungiFox, let's say I'm crazy enough to do that |
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| 09:21.34 | znf | iceroot, let's say I have 2 different software solutions running on the same machine that each depend on one ftp daemon |
| 09:21.40 | iceroot | znf: its the same like "installing two mta" |
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| 09:21.52 | FungiFox | ok, i get that :) but why make another server when you can just as easily go build a bird house. i mean if you are doing it "just cause" |
| 09:21.56 | joj | fsf-free: 755 means that while 644 permissions are active, the "executable" bit is also set (which is unnecessary), because you don't want to "run" your fonts. Thus 644 would've been perfectly fine, but 755 implies 644 thus it works. |
| 09:22.05 | FungiFox | anyway znf good luck. |
| 09:22.17 | znf | iceroot, actually 2 mtas conflicting kind of makes sense; you don't really use a smtp on a port other than 25, it doesn't make sense; |
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| 09:22.55 | joj | dpkg: tell fsf-free about permissions |
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| 09:23.08 | fsf-free | joj, ok Sir thanks :] |
| 09:23.16 | joj | fsf-free: np. |
| 09:23.34 | iceroot | znf: use your sentence, replace mta with ftp and 25 with 21 and you have your answer :) |
| 09:23.36 | fsf-free | joj, a good pdf reader for debian ? |
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| 09:23.53 | znf | iceroot, use your sentence, replace ftp with httpd |
| 09:24.14 | iceroot | znf: its the same, why should i use two web servers |
| 09:24.26 | iceroot | on the same machine and one with strange ports |
| 09:24.47 | znf | you can easily install both nginx, apache and lighttpd with apt-get |
| 09:24.51 | znf | they don't conflict |
| 09:25.03 | iceroot | znf: who cares? noone will use that |
| 09:25.24 | znf | you can set up nginx to act as a proxy for apache :) |
| 09:25.34 | iceroot | znf: then you have a reason |
| 09:25.44 | iceroot | znf: and can you use two ftp server for something useful? no |
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| 09:26.50 | iceroot | if i am correct each ftp server has a (x)inetd line, so that will conflict for example |
| 09:26.57 | joj | fsf-free: oh god. I use both zathura and KDE's okular with the respective mupdf plugins (which are not in Debian ATM) because mupdf is the currently best native FOSS PDF renderer on Linux. Most other PDF readers use libpoppler as the renderer, which in the past had inferior font rendering to mupdf but has improved alot. I'd recommend Okular, because it is more featureful than GNOME's Evince. If you're not |
| 09:26.59 | joj | running either GNOME or KDE, both will bring their share of bloat dependencies with them though. |
| 09:28.14 | znf | anyway, "why would you" is not really the question here; my question is how to ignore that and force them both to install, no matter if the world will divide by 0 and collapse |
| 09:28.16 | CissWit | znf: what's the error when trying to install both ? |
| 09:28.21 | joj | fsf-free: see also https://wiki.debian.org/PDF |
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| 09:28.38 | znf | CissWit, The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:28.38 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.38 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:29.43 | Azrael_- | does the packages of wheezy for xen also support hva? |
| 09:30.29 | Azrael_- | s/hva/high availability |
| 09:30.53 | fsf-free | joj, are you using debian since long ? |
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| 09:31.22 | joj | fsf-free: I don't know what value this adds to the discussion, but ~7 years now. |
| 09:31.38 | CissWit | znf: indeed, i missed the conflict with ftp-server. Anyway you can use --force-yes with apt-get to force install a package even if there is a conflict. But you should really take care, doing so might break a couple of things that could be a real pain to fix |
| 09:32.13 | CissWit | that's not something that's recommended at all |
| 09:32.35 | znf | CissWit, that doesn't work, I tried it |
| 09:32.47 | fsf-free | joj, a good graphics compression tool with encryption support and all |
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| 09:35.06 | joj | fsf-free: now I'm really not sure whether you're trolling or not, but ... a) choose an appropriate format and b) use PGP via gnupg to encrypt the resulting file with either symmetrically or asym using RSA. |
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| 09:35.44 | fsf-free | joj, I am not trolling lol I hate when people ask a lot |
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| 09:40.11 | CissWit | znf: then install them with dpkg using --force-conflicts , if it doesn't work try with --force-conflicts,overwrite |
| 09:40.20 | znf | CissWit, oki doki |
| 09:40.29 | CissWit | just know that the forcing overwrite means that a single file is written by both packages |
| 09:41.23 | prof-freud | why is the networking setup sektion of the debian reference manual marked as (legacy)? |
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| 09:43.42 | CissWit | znf: and btw i would hold both packages to avoid apt-get or aptitude to try resolving the dependency so you can upgrade your system. For those specific package you will need a manual work to upgrade them (which is a pain). |
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| 09:44.45 | CissWit | you should consider using some kind of virtualization or a deboostrap to install the packages properly |
| 09:45.02 | wols_ | prof-freud: often, network-manager is used by default |
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| 09:45.46 | Azrael_- | any experience how stable a jessie-xen-dom0 would be? |
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| 09:49.21 | saivert | nice. bugs.debian.org is not answering on its IPv6 2607:f8f0:610:4000:6564:a62:ce0c:138c |
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| 09:49.41 | Gr1 | Hi everyone |
| 09:50.02 | Gr1 | I was compiling a package on my debian, and I am getting some weird error. |
| 09:50.04 | Gr1 | configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 09:50.12 | Gr1 | I reinstalled g++ but with no luck |
| 09:50.16 | Gr1 | Any pointers? |
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| 09:52.20 | kammp | I have created a PHP script for sending mails. For this I use sendmail, this is the PHP script. http://pastebin.com/aFPvjx65 the problem is the mail never get's to me. This is the logg for the mail. http://pastebin.com/iMUrWfKP Can anyone see what is causing this? Any ideas? |
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| 09:52.53 | znf | kammp, stat=Sent (OK BD/73-30826-F07B0F25) the mail leaves your server. |
| 09:53.20 | bhuddah | znf: probably caught by spamfilter because of bogus mail from and so on. sending good mail is hard. |
| 09:53.30 | bhuddah | ump. i mean kammp |
| 09:53.31 | znf | kammp, ^ |
| 09:53.33 | znf | yeah |
| 09:53.34 | kammp | yeah |
| 09:53.41 | znf | so have a chat with your spam filter |
| 09:53.44 | kammp | Okay |
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| 09:55.14 | joj | Gr1: on my system, /lib/cpp is being a symlink to /etc/alternatives/cpp, which in turn symlinks to /usr/bin/cpp. YOu have to investigate the issue using update-alternatives. dpkg-reconfigure cpp may also help. |
| 09:55.42 | joj | Gr1: package cpp provides /usr/bin/cpp and most likely also manages the diversion via update-alternatives |
| 09:55.52 | zxcvbn | Hello.. How can I change dependencies of installed package and force another packages to be installed/removed during apt unattended upgrades? I.e. when i just change "Version:" value, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade works ok. But when I change "Depends: "value (add something new), apt-get update & & apt-get upgrade leaves package untouched in old version. |
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| 09:56.18 | zxcvbn | ("aptitude upgrade package" works ok) |
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| 09:59.47 | joj | zxcvbn: you are supposed to rebuild packages and change them then if you want to customize. Installed packages have their definite set of deps and are "broken" if these are not satisfied. you have to use apt-get dist-upgrade when you want apt to remove packages when upgrading. See the respective man pages. |
| 09:59.50 | Gr1 | joj: It is the same in mine too. I compared with a working system, and even the md5sum is the same |
| 09:59.53 | Gr1 | :( |
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| 10:01.51 | joj | Gr1: you got build-essential installed? |
| 10:02.29 | zxcvbn | joj: thanks! i had read debian policy manual but didnt see that . |
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| 10:02.57 | joj | zxcvbn: it's what you always do when you use Unstable or Experimental ;-) |
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| 10:08.01 | kammp | http://pastebin.com/iMUrWfKP can I see in this log what SMTP server is used? |
| 10:08.34 | jelly | kammp: signs point to actual sendmail |
| 10:08.48 | kammp | sorry, meaning? |
| 10:08.55 | wols_ | jelly: you sure: that MTA-v4 looks like exim, no? |
| 10:08.57 | znf | "localhost" |
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| 10:09.15 | znf | kammp, where are you getting that log from...?! |
| 10:09.30 | jelly | wols_: no idea. "sendmail |
| 10:09.41 | kammp | this /var/log/mail.log when sending mail with php |
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| 10:09.49 | kammp | mail never gets where it is suppose to |
| 10:09.54 | jelly | wols_: no idea. "sendmail" and "sm-mta" program names indicate Sendmail. |
| 10:10.09 | znf | kammp, /var/log/mail.log is written by your local mta (ie: your "local" smtps) |
| 10:10.25 | jelly | wols_: in addition, exim in debian does not log to mail.log by default |
| 10:10.35 | petemc | that doesnt look like an exim log snippet |
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| 10:10.59 | kammp | this is driving me crazy. |
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| 10:11.21 | znf | kammp, is that your own server? a dedicated server? a vps? shared hosting...? |
| 10:11.25 | kammp | my server |
| 10:11.28 | kammp | I have full control |
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| 10:11.47 | kammp | I mean some mail's reach where they are suppose to. |
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| 10:12.01 | znf | kammp, someone (or you) set up "spamfilter2.spam.com. [213.132.99.70]" to act as a relay |
| 10:12.15 | kammp | yes, I know. I got a new smtp server |
| 10:12.22 | kammp | but I do not know how to use it |
| 10:12.25 | znf | what do you mean you got a new smtp server...? |
| 10:12.29 | kammp | another IP |
| 10:12.35 | znf | you don't make any sense |
| 10:12.49 | bhuddah | are you sure you know how smtp works? |
| 10:12.56 | znf | why are you relaying your e-mail trough a smtp server? |
| 10:13.02 | kammp | I specify a smtp server in my php.ini which I suspected php mail to use. |
| 10:13.09 | znf | your local mta is perfectly capable of sending out e-mail |
| 10:13.15 | kammp | obviously not |
| 10:13.15 | znf | errr |
| 10:13.17 | kammp | :/ |
| 10:13.40 | znf | if you set up a smtp in php.ini, that won't show up in /var/log/mail.log |
| 10:13.42 | kammp | I do not have much experience, sorry for this. I just want to send mails |
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| 10:14.57 | [Leeloo] | Hi |
| 10:15.11 | kammp | Ok, so I want to go back to step one. My mails never reach my destination. |
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| 10:15.24 | kammp | Obviously I am relaying them through a spamfilter. Can I control this? |
| 10:15.29 | znf | yes you can |
| 10:15.51 | [Leeloo] | On a Debian 7.3 server at my hosting provider, I replace my RAID (mdadm) /dev/md4 mount to /home, with a ZFS raidz2 pool (/dev/sad4 --> /dev/sdf4). I removed the entry from /etc/fstab, mdadm.conf. But my server do not boot anymore. I cant see the boot with a kvm or any other way... Do you have any tips, things I can do to see what appends ... Thanks ;) |
| 10:15.55 | kammp | znf; how? |
| 10:16.05 | znf | kammp, dpkg-reconfigure sendmail-bin |
| 10:16.17 | znf | and chose "internet-site" (if I recall corectly that's how it's called) |
| 10:16.19 | saivert | Just stop using regular sendmail in PHP and use a proper SMTP class and specify the SMTP server and authentication information. |
| 10:16.33 | saivert | I'm sure you require a smarthost anyways as you can't directly deliver mail from your server. |
| 10:16.51 | znf | saivert, why would you assume that he can't deliver directly? |
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| 10:16.58 | saivert | since he needs a relay |
| 10:17.14 | znf | he most likely doesn't; he probably missconfigured |
| 10:17.18 | saivert | many servers are like this. depends on the ISP. many block port 25 |
| 10:17.27 | kammp | ok, I did that reconfigure |
| 10:17.35 | kammp | didnt get to choose anyuthing |
| 10:17.42 | jelly | saivert: I always prefer /usr/sbin/sendmail since it makes it possible to trace the user (and often the script) that originated a message |
| 10:17.58 | znf | kammp, wait, I'm a bit rusty, I may have given you wrong instructions :) |
| 10:18.07 | saivert | yes. I do too. But I have configured my exim with a smarthost. so I can still send mail from most things |
| 10:18.12 | kammp | root@c6:/home/connectel# dpkg-reconfigure sendmail-bin |
| 10:18.12 | kammp | update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match sendmail Default-Stop values (1) |
| 10:18.12 | kammp | update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/sm.bin/sendmail because link group sendmail-msp is broken |
| 10:18.12 | kammp | update-alternatives: warning: not replacing /usr/share/man/man8/sendmail.8.gz with a link |
| 10:18.12 | kammp | Could not open /etc/mail/databases(No such file or directory), creating it. |
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| 10:18.18 | kammp | Whops |
| 10:18.22 | jelly | !paste |
| 10:18.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:18.28 | kammp | truly noted |
| 10:18.29 | saivert | I only have experience with postfix and exim. Not sendmail (who uses that now?) |
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| 10:18.35 | fsf-free | Oh jeekl_ |
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| 10:19.34 | jelly | kammp: is there a real reason for you to use sendmail for /usr/sbin/sendmail, instead of a saner MTA like debian's default exim, or postfix, or a null client if this machine needs no local delivery? |
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| 10:19.48 | znf | maybe he actually uses exim :P |
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| 10:20.11 | jelly | znf: why do you think so |
| 10:20.25 | znf | why would we assume he's using sendmail? :-? |
| 10:20.38 | jelly | znf: his log says so. |
| 10:20.46 | FungiFox | <kammp> root@c6:/home/connectel# dpkg-reconfigure sendmail-bin |
| 10:20.46 | saivert | how about him tellings us what he is using instead? |
| 10:20.49 | saivert | lols |
| 10:21.02 | saivert | this pointless back and forth |
| 10:21.22 | pfote | sendmail's still in use? thought that has been buried years ago :-) |
| 10:21.23 | kammp | I have no idea what am using tbh. |
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| 10:21.48 | znf | kameloso, apt-get install exim4 |
| 10:21.56 | znf | errr kammp ^ |
| 10:22.09 | jelly | kammp: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" say? |
| 10:22.25 | pfote | kammp: you run a MTA and dont know which one? |
| 10:22.29 | pfote | is scared |
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| 10:23.35 | kammp | it do works when using phpmailer, I can specify a smtp there. |
| 10:23.44 | jelly | pfote: he stated that up front. |
| 10:23.56 | jelly | no need to act surprised |
| 10:24.41 | pfote | jelly: dont read all the communication here .. i dont act |
| 10:25.13 | jelly | pfote: it is a good idea to read what the user says if you're going to comment on it |
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| 10:27.07 | fsf-free | I installed parole and with all good bad ugly still cannot see a video :[ |
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| 10:27.51 | pfote | jelly: maybe, yes .. doesnt make it less scary |
| 10:28.10 | FungiFox | fsf-free: you want that problem? or mine? my video plays super fast and i have no sound :P |
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| 10:28.32 | fsf-free | FungiFox, lol what do you use ? |
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| 10:28.42 | FungiFox | This is actually mint. |
| 10:28.47 | jelly | !mint |
| 10:28.47 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 10:28.54 | FungiFox | i understand |
| 10:29.24 | jelly | if you can reproduce the issue on an actual debian installation, feel free to ask in here |
| 10:29.45 | FungiFox | i wasn't asking, but will do. |
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| 10:30.11 | jelly | oh, apologies |
| 10:30.30 | JelmerD | Wow, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post this here, but just found out about https://github.com/afaqurk/linux-dash it is so freakin' awesome when you have a webserver running and need to monitor some stuff. |
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| 10:31.09 | Diehard | hm |
| 10:31.13 | Diehard | JelmerD: looks nice |
| 10:31.43 | JelmerD | Diehard: and very easy to install, took me 2 minutes including setting up a .htpasswd file to make it a bit more secure. |
| 10:32.06 | saivert | lol phpsysinfo is not enough? |
| 10:32.40 | JelmerD | saivert: this is just a bit more readable and gives you just that bit of extra info :) Especially when you don't have you console around ;-) |
| 10:32.55 | saivert | I have a console in my pocket. |
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| 10:33.09 | saivert | Juice SSH with mosh support |
| 10:33.09 | JelmerD | I don't, so for me this is perfect :) But I get your point. |
| 10:33.45 | joj | JelmerD: "Browsers: Modern Browsers (Not IE)" But OF COURSE not :-D |
| 10:33.48 | Diehard | JelmerD: I can see the value in providing simple system information for low customers |
| 10:33.55 | pfote | JelmerD: you wrote that? |
| 10:34.02 | JelmerD | joj: haha, didn't notice that one. sweet |
| 10:34.27 | saivert | IE11 is a modern browser now. Even dropped the IE tag from the user agent so most sites think it is a Mozilla based browser and stop applying ugly IE hacks. |
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| 10:34.43 | JelmerD | Diehard: exactly, and because you can not edit anything via that portal, it is fairly safe. But for customers I would like to kick out the "logged in user" stuff and available user stuff. |
| 10:34.54 | JelmerD | pfote: nope, just got it via the Github weekly mailing list |
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| 10:35.13 | saivert | things like that is locked behind HTTPS on my server |
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| 10:35.26 | JelmerD | saivert: how do you consider IE being a modern browser? IE is not, and will never be modern. We have to boycot it :') |
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| 10:35.50 | saivert | It is important to the web for IE to be good |
| 10:36.03 | Diehard | JelmerD: yes of course, but I can say I have some friends I provide simple vpc services and they are not familiar with my centraled zabbix monitoring, this is easy, simple for noobs. |
| 10:36.04 | JelmerD | The only good IE is 6. http://www.saveie6.com/ |
| 10:36.21 | JelmerD | Diehard: exactly, its great :) Glad you like it |
| 10:36.36 | saivert | zabbix is a bit overkill for just ONE server. altough you can install it and the agent on just one box. |
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| 10:37.07 | Diehard | saivert: it is, I use it centraly for all servers I have |
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| 10:37.44 | Diehard | saivert: I run zabbix on HA cluster |
| 10:38.01 | JelmerD | I guess this is my call to say goodbye, no idea what you're talking about :') |
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| 10:38.23 | Gr1 | yes joj |
| 10:38.40 | Diehard | JelmerD: o/ |
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| 10:38.53 | Azee | i wana start learning linux |
| 10:38.59 | Azee | where do i start ? :P |
| 10:39.04 | Diehard | Azee: in library |
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| 10:39.37 | Diehard | Azee: definitely not here :S |
| 10:39.40 | Azee | no hands on emulators or simulators ? |
| 10:39.41 | Azee | lol |
| 10:39.43 | Azee | i know |
| 10:39.48 | Azee | just asking |
| 10:39.55 | Diehard | Azee: virtualbox and intall some ubuntu desktop and play |
| 10:40.11 | Azee | thanx thats the kinda answer i wanted :) |
| 10:40.15 | Diehard | try to get familiar with gui adn then try to perform more and more actions via console |
| 10:40.38 | Diehard | f.e. setup network with gui and after that try to set it up in console |
| 10:40.40 | Diehard | and so on |
| 10:41.20 | napcae | I'd recommend not to "play" with it, but make a backup of your current files. whipe your drive and install a distro. then "work" with it. install the things you need, and don't give up. there is nearly always a solution to a problem |
| 10:41.23 | Diehard | Azee: the best way is to do basic things you do in windows .. if you don't know anything, google it or ask for solution |
| 10:41.33 | napcae | ^ |
| 10:42.09 | Diehard | it's a bit too hard core solution for new user |
| 10:42.17 | Azee | i have knowledge of cisco ios |
| 10:42.31 | Diehard | so you should be fine |
| 10:42.40 | Diehard | but I would start with the virtual machine first |
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| 10:42.58 | Diehard | so you can continue working in windows and won't get stuck somewhere |
| 10:43.02 | Azee | thanx i m downloading now :) |
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| 10:43.24 | Azee | i had a debian server a long time ago |
| 10:43.27 | Diehard | Azee: I'm here for you in query if you want |
| 10:43.41 | Azee | thanx alot |
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| 10:44.31 | Azee | which one should i download ? one for ubuntu or debian ? |
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| 10:44.52 | napcae | they are nearly the same. but I think ubuntu is easier |
| 10:44.53 | Diehard | Azee: I would start with ubuntu, its much more user friendly |
| 10:45.13 | Diehard | and more intuitive |
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| 10:45.37 | babilen | Diehard: How so? |
| 10:46.01 | Diehard | babilen: how so what? |
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| 10:46.34 | babilen | Azee: I'd recommend to install Debian (see "/msg dpkg install debian" for details and use, if you have a decent internet connection, the installer with firmware) and then read http://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 10:46.48 | babilen | Diehard: How is Debian less intuitive than Debian? |
| 10:47.04 | Diehard | babilen: Debian is the same intuitive as Debian |
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| 10:47.34 | babilen | Diehard: Well, you said "Diehard > and more intuitive" - hence my question :) |
| 10:48.09 | Diehard | babilen: of course Debian is also fine. I started with debian too. But debian is more .. server usable than desktop usable imho. |
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| 10:48.30 | Diehard | babilen: and desktop stuff is simple for new guy |
| 10:48.47 | Diehard | however .. let it be |
| 10:48.54 | napcae | well you could install all the unity stuff also on debian |
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| 10:49.29 | wed | What you start with is what you learn, and find easy. My experience that is |
| 10:49.30 | Diehard | :S sure and you could install wine and all windows apps and call it winbian >.> |
| 10:49.43 | napcae | :D |
| 10:49.56 | napcae | wed is probably right |
| 10:50.04 | Azee | sorry i got d |
| 10:50.07 | Azee | dc |
| 10:50.15 | babilen | As if unity is the reason Ubuntu is easier ... Gnome, KDE, XFCE are all fine (IMHO). The main reasons why Debian are more tricky is that it doesn't ship firmware, proprietary drivers and software such as flash by default. All of which isn't much of a problem. |
| 10:50.15 | Diehard | I dont like ubuntu for servers .. I like it for desktop .. debian for server |
| 10:50.22 | napcae | but I also started with windows, and I dont find it easy^^ |
| 10:50.59 | krababbel | babilen: What I find unintuitive is for example not having a link to the handbook next to the iso download or in the books section? |
| 10:51.11 | Diehard | babilen: it's more about the simplicity for new user .. as a new user I'd like the system to do everything for me and not fight with everythinf |
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| 10:51.28 | rjsalts | I didn't think ubuntu did either |
| 10:51.31 | babilen | Azee: But it is your decision - All I can and will say is: Debian is a fine choice and I can promise you that you will not think that I lead you astray in five years. You will have to be willing to do a *bit* more manually as Debian simply offers you more choices, but most things are fairly easy to solve. |
| 10:51.32 | Diehard | is out of discusion |
| 10:51.57 | viscera | haha |
| 10:52.12 | wed | When I don't use Slackware, I fall back on Debian |
| 10:52.43 | babilen | Azee: But then the best thing is to simply try them all and make up your mind. Reading the Debian Handbook is still a great idea as it not only covers Debian specifics, but is, in part, also applicable to derivatives. |
| 10:52.55 | Azee | i just wana get my hands wet |
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| 10:53.13 | Azee | ill prolly get a laptop for fulltime linux |
| 10:53.22 | napcae | good idea |
| 10:53.41 | Azee | nothing is better then hands on for me ... no books no guides :) |
| 10:53.51 | napcae | man man is your friend |
| 10:54.06 | babilen | Azee: The biggest problem with Linux is, typically, that there are at least ten ways to do something and at least as many people who argue in favour of one. Making decisions is sometimes hard if you simply don't know enough about the content matter to understand the ramifications of that choice. |
| 10:54.27 | napcae | go ahead and mess things up |
| 10:54.31 | napcae | its the best way to learn |
| 10:55.10 | napcae | it is just a mistake, if you do it twice |
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| 10:56.38 | Azee | ubuntu 12.4 loading |
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| 10:57.00 | krababbel | watch hardware compatibility Azee. And power efficiency isn't as good as Windows I think. I like having Debian as a server in a VM under Winows, so all the Flash, etc just works there if I need it. Likewise stuff like Oracle Java etc. If you can live with the older stable packages, Debian saves you a lot of headaches once it is set up. And yes, outdated tutorials are a problem. |
| 10:57.03 | Azee | 12.04* |
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| 10:58.36 | krababbel | Azee: I had Ubuntu die just by its own update or something after two months, I didn't change it myself. I'd go with the LTS version at least. The normal version is like Debian testing, and not recommended unless you like debugging problems with your system. |
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| 11:01.47 | Azee | sorry again guys laptop battery died |
| 11:01.52 | Azee | lol just put it back on charger |
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| 11:02.56 | Azee | i m installing ubuntu on a virtualbox |
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| 11:18.12 | iceroot | what is the max allowed size for a filename? (ext4) |
| 11:18.23 | iceroot | size = length |
| 11:19.05 | petn-randall | iceroot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4 |
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| 11:19.24 | f-a | hello people from debian. I would like to install debian on my machine (the FSF approved laptop, which is running trisquel at the moment). I downloaded and put to usb the mini.iso, but I am a bit at loss now. I am greeted with GNU GRUB screen, what should I do next? 'c' for command line? |
| 11:19.31 | iceroot | or is that limit not coming from ext4 but bash/kernel or something like that? i had a file which i was not able to delete (gui), error message was filename to long |
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| 11:20.13 | iceroot | petn-randall: so i guess its 255 chars, because the limit is 255 bytes |
| 11:20.29 | petn-randall | iceroot: Probably from the GUI. If it's too long to delete, it would be too long to create. |
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| 11:20.44 | ChrisH | f-a: mini.iso? get the firmware netinstall image from debian.org, cp it onto the stick and install. |
| 11:21.09 | iceroot | petn-randall: the file was maybe 100 chars, i can create it with touch and delete it with rm but not with nautilus, then i am getting an error about to long file name |
| 11:21.12 | petn-randall | iceroot: Of course there's a small chance that this is a bug somewhere else, you can check that by trying to delete that file in bash. |
| 11:21.31 | petn-randall | iceroot: That's a bug in nautilus then, since it works with rm. |
| 11:21.33 | iceroot | so seems like a bug in nautilis |
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| 11:21.47 | petn-randall | iceroot: Which release are you running? |
| 11:21.57 | iceroot | petn-randall: 7.3 (xfce4) |
| 11:22.04 | f-a | I will try that ChrisH , thanks |
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| 11:22.54 | petn-randall | iceroot: You can then file a bug report with 'reportbug'. As a side note, the default file manager in xfce is Thunar, maybe the bug doesn't exist there. |
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| 11:24.06 | iceroot | petn-randall: thank you for the useful info, i will do that |
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| 11:29.58 | halfie | hello, is there a list of things-to-be-done for newbie debian developers? |
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| 11:30.59 | jubo2 | what's the name of the Firefox family email client on Debian ? |
| 11:31.21 | halfie | jubo2, thunderbird? |
| 11:31.29 | jelly | jubo2: iceweasel |
| 11:31.41 | grok0 | jubo2, icedove |
| 11:31.45 | halfie | oh, this is debian ;( |
| 11:31.55 | jelly | grok0 wins. |
| 11:32.09 | jubo2 | so I 'sudo aptitude install icedove' ? |
| 11:32.25 | iceroot | jubo2: right |
| 11:33.18 | halfie | jubo2, "aptitude install mutt alpine' # FTW ;) |
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| 11:33.59 | saivert | JelmerD: I just tried linux-dash now. Looks nice. I checked the source code and it is very simple and nice. |
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| 11:34.27 | saivert | but now it is only designed for Linux and not other operating systems like phpsysinfo is |
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| 11:34.43 | saivert | so you can skip a lot of platform abstraction code that way |
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| 11:36.13 | SNow | Hi guys, I have an issue, I have a debian wheezy and I did apt-get upgrade / dist upgrade and I've got a message from grub-pc that I need to provide a drive where my bootloader is. The problem is that I have sw raid and few other disks, I've set that it should be installed on all of the disks and got segfault that there is no possibility to install it on /dev/md0 and /dev/md1 |
| 11:36.18 | SNow | so where should I install it? |
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| 11:37.17 | Chosi | on all disk except the raid devices |
| 11:37.19 | Chosi | *disks |
| 11:37.27 | Chosi | just don't check the mds |
| 11:37.31 | SNow | ok roger |
| 11:37.43 | SNow | how can I trigger the question again? dpgk-reconfigure? |
| 11:37.53 | SNow | I've done only on a few at the moment |
| 11:38.09 | Chosi | dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc should work |
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| 11:41.32 | JelmerD | saivert: I'd say: suggest it as an issue ;-) It's not my code |
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| 11:43.15 | Azrael_- | any hints how stable/unstable jessie is? |
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| 11:50.42 | tparcina | I need to load module, during the system boot, with non-default parameter. (modprobe nf_conntrack_ftp ports=21,4559). How to do that? |
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| 11:59.21 | wols_ | tparcina: man modules, man modprobe.conf |
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| 12:00.42 | anonnumberanon | how do I make apps automatically start at log-in please? |
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| 12:01.00 | brah | Hi. I'm on wheezy, gnome3. Is it possible to get a samba share right click integration? |
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| 12:02.23 | fsf-free | encfs says fuse permission denied |
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| 12:03.38 | fsf-free | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 12:03.43 | fsf-free | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 12:03.48 | fsf-free | sorry for re paste |
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| 12:13.25 | maelnieo | http://rys.io/static/debian-02.02.2014.log |
| 12:13.28 | maelnieo | lol |
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| 12:14.35 | TomyWork | hi |
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| 12:15.43 | TomyWork | if a package with a broken prerm script was released, what are my options of remedying the situation besides messing with the files manually? |
| 12:16.04 | themill | TomyWork: a package you maintain? or just a package on your system? |
| 12:16.11 | TomyWork | the former |
| 12:16.33 | themill | How broken is it/ |
| 12:16.48 | TomyWork | it doesnt halt on errors |
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| 12:18.16 | themill | that's not too bad then. There's not much you can do to fix prerm as it's the first thing that is called in the sequence (other than going around to each machine and manually deleting it) |
| 12:18.28 | ChrisH | A coworker installed Debian next to an existing Ubuntu/Win7 dualboot system. Now the Debian OS prober does not detect the Ubuntu, nor does the grub from Ubuntu. How to get Debian os-prober to detect Ubuntu grub/boot? encryption and LVM in place. |
| 12:19.52 | jelly | fsf-free: "adduser youruser fuse", log off and back on |
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| 12:20.17 | fsf-free | it says command not found |
| 12:20.19 | TomyWork | themill well it has to halt on errors while shutting down the service, otherwise that service might lose data and things like that |
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| 12:20.19 | fsf-free | jeekl_, |
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| 12:20.53 | themill | fsf-free: as root |
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| 12:21.11 | fsf-free | themill, ok done now ? restart ? |
| 12:21.27 | themill | fsf-free: what jelly said. |
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| 12:21.41 | fsf-free | ok |
| 12:21.48 | TomyWork | i'm just saying it is bad :) |
| 12:21.51 | themill | TomyWork: there's no easy answer here -- perhaps #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net will have some other ideas. |
| 12:22.10 | TomyWork | hmm i'll try that later. can only access freenode from work :) |
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| 12:25.50 | fsf-free | themill, jelly I think my whole system is having general permission problems .. when i load an external drive most files are locked with permission it was not the same before. I installed 7.2 debian and sudo did not work by default |
| 12:25.53 | fsf-free | I installed sudo |
| 12:25.59 | fsf-free | added me to it |
| 12:26.07 | fsf-free | and then restart |
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| 12:26.18 | fsf-free | but i think there are general issues as well |
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| 12:29.49 | newbie1 | hi |
| 12:30.26 | petn-randall | hi newbie1 |
| 12:30.30 | newbie1 | i have a prob with mz debian installation.the problem is that at the installation of the os there was no window where i could choose username and password |
| 12:30.36 | TomyWork | themill what do you think of this idea: in preinst, detect the erronous state and abort there |
| 12:30.50 | newbie1 | now when i boot the os it just shows a lil field where i have to type username and pw |
| 12:31.00 | newbie1 | but what are the default username and pw |
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| 12:31.07 | newbie1 | can anybody tell me that,pls? |
| 12:31.23 | TheRetech | root / toor is default |
| 12:31.38 | newbie1 | ok thanks |
| 12:31.38 | themill | TomyWork: is the damage already done? aborting isn't great... leaving apt in a bad state is nasty especially if the user might need to install tools to help fix it up |
| 12:31.52 | petn-randall | newbie1: How did you install it exactly? Which release was it, which medium did you use, etc. Normally you are prompted during installation to enter that info. |
| 12:32.09 | newbie1 | i loaded the newest i think its 7.3.0 |
| 12:32.15 | newbie1 | and i loaded the 8 cds as iso |
| 12:32.18 | petn-randall | TheRetech: It is not. |
| 12:32.26 | newbie1 | but the installation was a bit mysterious |
| 12:32.41 | newbie1 | cause he only wanted 3 of 8 cds for the installation |
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| 12:33.04 | newbie1 | and i chose the normal install |
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| 12:33.27 | fsf-free | themill, jelly done :] |
| 12:33.42 | TomyWork | themill what state will the package be in if i 'exit 1' in preinst? |
| 12:33.50 | themill | TomyWork: unhappy. |
| 12:33.51 | petn-randall | newbie1: That's not unusual. Those 8 CDs contain *ALL* software that Debian ships. If you have internet connection, you will only need the netinstaller (around ~200 MB, IIRC). |
| 12:34.04 | TomyWork | deconfigured? broken? |
| 12:34.23 | themill | TomyWork: https://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts apt will then go and try to run other scripts as a result |
| 12:34.23 | newbie1 | yes with that netinstall it didnt work.it didnt find my wlan connection |
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| 12:34.41 | newbie1 | thats why i loaded the 8 cds |
| 12:34.53 | TomyWork | oooh graphs |
| 12:34.53 | newbie1 | ill try it with root toor |
| 12:34.57 | newbie1 | i hope itll work |
| 12:35.03 | newbie1 | thanks so far for ur help guys |
| 12:35.06 | TomyWork | thanks, that will help a lot |
| 12:35.06 | petn-randall | newbie1: You probably needed the netinstaller with firmware for your Wifi. Or use a network cable. |
| 12:35.20 | petn-randall | newbie1: It won't work, that's *not* the default. |
| 12:35.31 | newbie1 | ok which is the default? |
| 12:35.34 | newbie1 | could u tell me that? |
| 12:35.46 | newbie1 | it just shows a field where it says |
| 12:35.48 | newbie1 | automatic |
| 12:35.48 | petn-randall | newbie1: There is no default. Which is why you must've typed something on installation. |
| 12:35.54 | newbie1 | gnome |
| 12:35.57 | newbie1 | and gnome classic |
| 12:36.05 | newbie1 | and then i can type a username and a password |
| 12:36.17 | newbie1 | but im 100 percent sure i hadnt chose any username and pw |
| 12:36.20 | petn-randall | newbie1: READ my last comment. |
| 12:36.20 | newbie1 | 100 percent sure |
| 12:36.42 | newbie1 | yes but i didnt choose username and password |
| 12:36.44 | newbie1 | 100 percent not |
| 12:36.46 | petn-randall | newbie1: Then you have no other option than reinstalling. |
| 12:36.50 | newbie1 | ok |
| 12:36.53 | adkins | hello, does it make sense to use cpufrequtils with ondemand-governor if this governor is already set up in bios? |
| 12:36.59 | newbie1 | thx anyway |
| 12:37.21 | petn-randall | adkins: This is a kernel module. It's not set up in the BIOS. |
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| 12:38.38 | ChrisH | answer to my previous question: use chainloder |
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| 12:39.50 | adkins | petn-randall: thx i confused something ;) |
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| 12:41.07 | fsf-free | themill, jelly which file compression gui tool support encryption built-in ? It was there in Arch but not in debian :[ |
| 12:41.22 | themill | eh? |
| 12:41.50 | TomyWork | themill "1.2.4->preinst upgrade 1.2.3" means "call 1.2.4's preinst script with arguments "upgrade 1.2.3", correct? |
| 12:41.58 | fsf-free | themill, like xarchiver has that encryption thing in Arch Linux but not here when we create a new compressed file |
| 12:42.29 | themill | TomyWork: yes |
| 12:42.38 | TomyWork | awesome, i get it then |
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| 12:44.40 | TomyWork | ok, since i have no abort-upgrade handlers anywhere, everything should abort nicely, right? |
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| 13:07.53 | micechal | Is it possible to use wget's recursive download to only check whether the remote directory has changed from the last time? Without downloading the files |
| 13:07.58 | xok | hello all... |
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| 13:08.08 | xok | I have a fresh install of Debian Wheezy... |
| 13:08.15 | xok | the apt seems very slow to me... |
| 13:08.15 | micechal | Sorry for such unrelatedquestion, but I can't send messages to ##linux |
| 13:08.24 | xok | not maning the speed of the internet... |
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| 13:08.44 | xok | the packages are being fetched in seconds but the actual installation takes a lot time... |
| 13:09.00 | f-a | errr |
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| 13:09.15 | xok | HDD couldn't be the bottlneck because I am using modern SSD drives in my laptop.. |
| 13:09.27 | xok | the memory is 4GB and the CPU should be OK as well... |
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| 13:09.36 | xok | can anyone help me identify the cause of the problem?.. |
| 13:09.48 | xok | I am now trying to install xfce and see if the problem is video related... |
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| 13:10.03 | xok | but any other chance to figure out the problem?.. |
| 13:10.31 | f-a | maybe that is naive, but: I am not able to start the installer. I cp; sync the image (like ChrisH suggested). I am greeted with grub. I can press 'c' to get command line, I suppose I have to load the kernel and then initrd, but don't know how. Am I wrong? Should I take this to #grub? |
| 13:10.34 | micechal | do you have any experience with other distros? |
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| 13:11.20 | micechal | Maybe it seems slow to you but it's actually normal |
| 13:11.21 | fsf-free | guys I tried most video players but my videos don't work well at all :[ it was jus fine on Arch Linux very good on Windows but on Debian it is so bad .. am I doing something wrong ? |
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| 13:11.39 | zh1 | hello sirs, have a Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG need the driver for it checked the wikis debian but am unsure wich one i use iwlwifi or legacy, whats the best driver for this card on debian wheezy 7.3? |
| 13:11.42 | micechal | fsf-free have you got video drivers installed? |
| 13:12.06 | fsf-free | micechal, yep sir .. flgrxinfo confirms it .. ati drivers installed |
| 13:12.15 | fsf-free | aticonfig --initial done ;] |
| 13:12.16 | micechal | I mean the official ones, not open source replacements |
| 13:12.28 | fsf-free | yep the official ones |
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| 13:12.36 | fsf-free | prop. ones |
| 13:12.47 | micechal | Have you tried mplayer? |
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| 13:14.13 | fsf-free | micechal, smplayer = mplayer |
| 13:14.32 | micechal | Yep |
| 13:15.29 | fsf-free | micechal, What do I do ? |
| 13:15.33 | fsf-free | what vpdua something like that |
| 13:15.53 | micechal | vpdua? |
| 13:16.28 | micechal | I don't really have any idea why would it be slow |
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| 13:17.54 | micechal | What about the cpu usage during playback? |
| 13:18.17 | fsf-free | micechal, I ve a very low powered cpu .. 1 ghz dual core apu |
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| 13:19.09 | micechal | Try using -framedrop with mplayer |
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| 13:20.26 | micechal | Like 'mplayer -framedrop video.file |
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| 13:23.35 | arafangion | fsf-free: When you say "videos", what do you mean? |
| 13:23.56 | arafangion | fsf-free: And what kind of GPU? |
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| 13:24.23 | fsf-free | 720p videos from Youtube ( downloaded ) |
| 13:24.34 | fsf-free | APU HD Radeon 6290 |
| 13:24.39 | fsf-free | with 1 Ghz Dual Core CPU |
| 13:25.01 | micechal | You could also try changing the video output to something other |
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| 13:26.13 | micechal | Have a look at www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/video.html |
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| 13:27.23 | arafangion | I've never tried watching youtube videos outside of the website. |
| 13:27.25 | m4k | dpkg debootstrap |
| 13:27.25 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 13:29.14 | m4k | is possible to make iso from debootstraped directory <chroot> |
| 13:30.03 | themill | m4k: you can copy anything you like onto a CD or DVD. Depends what you want to do with it next though.... |
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| 13:30.51 | m4k | themill: can't make iso installation cd ?? |
| 13:31.04 | themill | no |
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| 13:32.39 | m4k | themill: lets check this from ubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch/#Create_ISO_Image_for_a_LiveCD |
| 13:32.53 | m4k | it shows creating iso from chroot |
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| 13:33.27 | panierter_panda | Hi, how can I tell tiger, that it is okay, that process x is running on socket y run by z? its the submission port of postfix! |
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| 13:34.07 | themill | m4k: sort of. There's a lot of work between debootstrap and making that iso image. It's also not an installer. |
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| 13:34.43 | petn-randall | panierter_panda: What is tiger? What specifically (no examples) are you trying to do? |
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| 13:34.57 | m4k | themill: oh, it is only a like cd ! |
| 13:35.07 | m4k | themill: oh, it is only a live cd ! |
| 13:35.50 | panierter_panda | petn-randall: it is an auditing-tool and it throws a warning for my postfix and other services, which are okay! I want to "whitelist" them. |
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| 13:38.25 | saivert | would love to learn how to use debootstrap to make an image for booting via PXE |
| 13:38.52 | saivert | some kernels/initrds handle loading the root fs from via HTTP |
| 13:38.57 | bluesm | Which server side technology is at it's spring ? |
| 13:38.59 | saivert | sorry. initramfs |
| 13:39.02 | petn-randall | panierter_panda: There should be documentation in /usr/share/doc/tiger/, have a look around there and grep for 'whitelist' |
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| 13:39.26 | petn-randall | bluesm: Could you rephrase your question? |
| 13:40.08 | brah | bluesm: Regarding what? |
| 13:41.16 | bluesm | brah: petn-randall: I mean providing server API for mobile apps |
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| 13:41.32 | bluesm | brah: petn-randall: Or doing some web based work. |
| 13:41.48 | petn-randall | bluesm: apache? |
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| 13:43.20 | panierter_panda | petn-randall: Thanks for the hint! That did not work and I consulted the man-pages, too! For now I will insert the messages in the ignore-regex-file! |
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| 13:45.45 | asterismo | hi guys, does anybody managed to install Debian in a Sony Vaio VGN-P530 (the vaio P series, pocket series)...? |
| 13:46.02 | asterismo | could not find many info in google about it |
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| 13:46.42 | petn-randall | asterismo: Do you already have the laptop, or are you looking for a shopping advice? |
| 13:47.04 | asterismo | yeah, shopping advice |
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| 13:47.28 | asterismo | there are some used laptops in really good conditions in the US where i'm traveling next week |
| 13:47.39 | petn-randall | asterismo: Unless anyone has it here, the easiest way is to burn a Debian live CD and boot from that in a store. You can then check if the hardware works fine. |
| 13:47.40 | asterismo | so i thaught maybe buy one |
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| 13:48.01 | asterismo | it has USB not CD or DVD |
| 13:48.26 | petn-randall | asterismo: You can also prepare a boot USB. |
| 13:48.32 | asterismo | here |
| 13:48.32 | asterismo | https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_VAIO_P-Series |
| 13:48.35 | asterismo | yes |
| 13:49.02 | petn-randall | asterismo: http://www.linlap.com/sony_vaio_p |
| 13:49.06 | asterismo | the thing is i probably have to buy it from amazon... so it cames by postal mail |
| 13:49.46 | petn-randall | asterismo: You have 14 days return warranty, in EU at least. |
| 13:50.12 | asterismo | yeah, that is true |
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| 13:51.00 | petn-randall | asterismo: A bit too small for my taste, but should work without problems. |
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| 13:51.37 | asterismo | it has the Intel GMA500 graphics card |
| 13:52.12 | petn-randall | asterismo: Oh, they've always been problematic. No idea if the situation got any better lately. |
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| 13:56.07 | wols_ | petn-randall: it hasn't really and never will |
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| 13:57.24 | asterismo | yeah, it is a great piece of technology |
| 13:57.41 | asterismo | is a genuine i386 architecture laptop the size of a tablet |
| 13:58.02 | asterismo | i need to run 32bit binary software that cannot run in a tablet |
| 13:58.21 | asterismo | the IRAF processing software, astronomy processing software |
| 13:58.32 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 13:58.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.9-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.6-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 13:58.38 | asterismo | it comes for linux, mac, sun... but not ARM |
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| 14:02.17 | emjotes | hello. When installing debian from CD (actually from a USB stick) and chosing to encrypt a partition it will be encrypted with aes-xts-plain64 (which I like) but only with sha1 instead of sha256 I would prefer. Is there any option to change this behaviour? |
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| 14:11.50 | johnakabean | o7 i have looked around in debian for grub/menu.1st and grub.conf on how to set the starting init level....what file? |
| 14:12.04 | johnakabean | im used to centos |
| 14:12.08 | SirLagz | johnakabean: /etc/grub ? |
| 14:12.21 | SirLagz | /etc/grub.d/ |
| 14:12.30 | SirLagz | johnakabean: all the files you need to look at are in there. |
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| 14:12.45 | SirLagz | johnakabean: after you edit them, run update-grub and it'll install the new config |
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| 14:13.20 | johnakabean | and as a guess, 10_linux is set to run because the number 10 is lower than all the others or? |
| 14:13.39 | SirLagz | johnakabean: they're the order that they are read in order to generate |
| 14:13.44 | SirLagz | er |
| 14:13.49 | SirLagz | generate /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 14:14.13 | johnakabean | im trying to edit the menu that pops up for runtime...im used to menu.1st and etc |
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| 14:15.10 | SirLagz | johnakabean: also, /etc/default/grub sets some of the default options, like the commandline arguments |
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| 14:15.24 | johnakabean | well line 77 in 10_linux is what displays on the menu but where are the variables from? $1 is input from? |
| 14:15.41 | SirLagz | johnakabean: some of it is from /etc/default/grub |
| 14:15.42 | johnakabean | arguments? |
| 14:15.45 | johnakabean | ok |
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| 14:18.39 | johnakabean | ok so /etc/inittab, the runlevel is only TWO (2) with the gui? |
| 14:19.05 | johnakabean | id:2:initdefault: |
| 14:19.25 | petn-randall | !gma500 |
| 14:19.25 | dpkg | Poulsbo is the codename of Intel's first System Controller Hub, found in several <netbooks>. Its GMA 500 graphics core is not supported by the intel Xorg driver (ITP xserver-xorg-video-psb, bug #533450). A 2D <KMS> framebuffer driver (gma500_gfx, formerly psb_gfx) was introduced at Linux 2.6.39. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Controller_Hub#GMA_500_Linux_support http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#PowerVR_based_chips_on_Linux |
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| 14:20.02 | petn-randall | ^^^ asterismo: If you want to use anything with remotely fast graphics, I'd buy something else. |
| 14:20.40 | asterismo | petn-randall, but what about the size? is it the size of the pocket sony? |
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| 14:24.49 | petn-randall | asterismo: There's a whole category of PCs, called netbooks, in that size range. |
| 14:25.27 | asterismo | i don't want the 11.6in nor the 10.1 in... there has to be something smaller |
| 14:25.43 | asterismo | like the pocket, nevermind if it has a couple of years... |
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| 14:26.48 | asterismo | y just for PGP, mail, terminal applications and server SSH connections... nothing more. Maybe some IRAF code editing (only available for 32bit x86/64 architecture... ) |
| 14:27.38 | petn-randall | asterismo: It won't help if you can't use the screen properly ... |
| 14:27.40 | SirLagz | asterismo: Asus eeePC 701 |
| 14:27.48 | SirLagz | asterismo: the smallest netbook you can get. |
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| 14:27.52 | SirLagz | Also the oldest lol |
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| 14:29.08 | asterismo | SirLagz, there is no 701 on amazon |
| 14:29.13 | asterismo | where i can get it? |
| 14:29.17 | SirLagz | asterismo: ebay ? |
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| 14:29.55 | SirLagz | http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ASUS-Eee-PC-701SD-Laptop-/141182204590?pt=AU_comp_laptop&hash=item20df1d7aae&_uhb=1 <-- example |
| 14:30.45 | asterismo | it runs a celeron processor |
| 14:30.48 | SirLagz | asterismo: if all you're doing on it is browsing and ssh, it'll be fine |
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| 14:30.55 | SirLagz | asterismo: yes. yes it does. |
| 14:31.06 | SirLagz | asterismo: don't try and run youtube HD on it and it'll be right. |
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| 14:31.09 | asterismo | thaught it wa an intel atom |
| 14:31.21 | SirLagz | asterismo: lol. this baby was before the atom :P |
| 14:31.22 | asterismo | which processor is better? Intel celeron or atom? |
| 14:31.32 | SirLagz | I would say Atom for most things |
| 14:32.13 | trewas | if they are of the same age then celeron is very much faster than atom |
| 14:32.47 | asterismo | but it has the same size of almost 10inch netbooks, the screen is smaller but the plastic surround it is bigger |
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| 14:33.06 | SirLagz | asterismo: slightly smaller |
| 14:33.23 | SirLagz | asterismo: i sized up the 700 against the 900 and it's slightly smaller. IIRC |
| 14:33.44 | mrAZ | on kernel 2.6.33.20, i have 4xNIC in bond mode 6, few minutes after ifup server freezes: http://postimg.org/image/4ef3hn2ax/ |
| 14:34.48 | petn-randall | mrAZ: This is not a Debian kernel. Where did you install it from? |
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| 14:35.07 | mrAZ | petn-randall: its our custom made |
| 14:35.33 | petn-randall | mrAZ: Try the stock one, or a supported upstream kernel. |
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| 14:35.37 | mrAZ | petn-randall: before i had debian 2.6.x kernels, result was the same |
| 14:36.05 | petn-randall | mrAZ: Which release are you running? |
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| 14:36.45 | mrAZ | petn-randall: i know about some issues with bond mode 6 and 3. kernels. debian_version: 6.0.8 |
| 14:37.49 | petn-randall | mrAZ: Debian squeeze is only supported for 3 more months. It's unlikely that this will get fixed there. Can you upgrade to wheezy? |
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| 14:48.33 | johnakabean | why is debian running the gui on run level 2? |
| 14:48.45 | petn-randall | johnakabean: Why not? |
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| 14:49.01 | johnakabean | it makes it complicated to specify run levels inbetween no gui, multi user |
| 14:49.29 | johnakabean | run level 5 should be gui minimum |
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| 14:49.40 | petn-randall | johnakabean: How does it? You've still got runlevel 3,4 and 5 to freely configure how you wish. |
| 14:49.50 | johnakabean | that will load the gui |
| 14:50.04 | SirLagz | johnakabean: you could always configure runlevel 3 to *not* load the gui |
| 14:50.31 | johnakabean | whats the service name on debian for xserver? |
| 14:50.45 | SirLagz | depends on which dm you use |
| 14:50.49 | SirLagz | i use lightdm |
| 14:50.58 | johnakabean | just debian wheezy |
| 14:51.43 | bezaban | X itself isn't run as a service |
| 14:52.15 | bezaban | but display managers are, like gdm and lightdm |
| 14:52.23 | johnakabean | then if i want to use run level 3 for no gui and for repairing, with some services, thats even more of a pain to modify what runs |
| 14:52.29 | bezaban | it behaves a lot like a service though |
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| 14:52.42 | johnakabean | so where is it executed? |
| 14:52.48 | bezaban | by the display manager |
| 14:53.09 | bezaban | think that is gdm by default |
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| 14:53.28 | bezaban | so /etc/init.d/gdm3 is probably what you are after |
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| 14:53.57 | petn-randall | johnakabean: You're coming from SuSE/Redhat? |
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| 14:55.06 | zafu | hi, since I've upgraded cups on my sid box my printer no longer display in print dialogs, known problem? |
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| 14:55.31 | petn-randall | !sid |
| 14:55.31 | dpkg | it has been said that sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 14:55.48 | petn-randall | zafu: jessie/sid are supported on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:55.56 | johnakabean | ook, bug in debian (not major) if you add a user to sudo, next time user logs in they have to change their pass for sudo pass to work |
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| 14:56.39 | johnakabean | pass i typed for sudo it didnt like but i used same pass to change my pass when it asks for current |
| 14:56.41 | zafu | petn-randall: you do really enjoy typing !sid around here, don't you? |
| 14:56.42 | petn-randall | johnakabean: I can't reproduce this problem here. |
| 14:56.54 | bezaban | johnakabean: never experienced that myself. You need a new shell, but always works here |
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| 14:57.16 | johnakabean | well once I changed my pass it accepted it on sudo |
| 14:57.18 | petn-randall | zafu: I thought it had the right channel in there, I actually don't use it that often. |
| 14:57.33 | johnakabean | and i used root to add myself to sudo, logged in as root from start |
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| 15:00.17 | afsal | is freenode/#debian or this channel is real? |
| 15:01.09 | petn-randall | afsal: Both are real. The official one is on irc.oftc.net, where you asked 5 minutes ago. |
| 15:01.23 | johnakabean | i guess ill turn off all non vital stuff for run level 2 and set default 5 and 3 to non gui |
| 15:01.46 | petn-randall | johnakabean: You can use sysv-rc-conf to configure your runlevels freely. |
| 15:01.56 | johnakabean | i installed chkconfig :) |
| 15:02.05 | johnakabean | ty was wondering of debians version |
| 15:03.05 | johnakabean | i like the output of chkconfig --list |
| 15:03.21 | afsal | petn-randall: you are here :) |
| 15:04.04 | johnakabean | so sysv-rc-conf is rc.conf? where is it, /etc? |
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| 15:04.14 | afsal | Great... |
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| 15:05.10 | petn-randall | johnakabean: sysv-rc-conf is a package that will create or delete symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ |
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| 15:06.56 | johnakabean | ok ty |
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| 15:10.09 | bea | question: which is the least harmful/obtrusive way to install dropbox? can i choose whether to run it as a system service or enable it per-user? the reason i ask is i remember someone installing it on a shared machine and it kept bugging other users with a popup window. |
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| 15:12.24 | petn-randall | bea: The best way is not to install it at all ;). There are plenty of FOSS replacements for it. |
| 15:12.56 | bea | petn-randall: i am aware of that and i personally don't use it. but my users insist :-/ |
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| 15:14.06 | bea | which is why i'd rather install it myself and restrict its privileges before a users goes ahead and installs it for everyone |
| 15:15.07 | petn-randall | bea: Unless they have root privileges it won't be possible for them to pollute other user's sessions. |
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| 15:16.06 | fsf-free | Can debian be installed on an intel phone ? |
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| 15:16.20 | bea | petn-randall: is it possible to install it per-user? that would be the best option. sort of a sandbox? |
| 15:16.22 | abrotman | fsf-free: there's a wiki page about mobiles |
| 15:16.43 | abrotman | fsf-free: https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile |
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| 15:17.05 | petn-randall | bea: I don't use dropbox, but I guess that would be the least obtrusive way. |
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| 15:17.09 | afsal | fsf-free: is it android? |
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| 15:17.25 | fsf-free | afsal, yep |
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| 15:18.21 | afsal | fsf-free: ? |
| 15:18.40 | johnakabean | why is the networking service not on for any runlevels? |
| 15:18.46 | bea | petn-randall: but generally, this is not possible, right? there is no general infrastructure that allows me to install .deb packages in a per-user sandbox, right? |
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| 15:19.46 | trewas | bea: dropbox needs no .deb packages, the first hit from google with "dropbox linux" tells how to install in the users home directory |
| 15:20.51 | bea | trewas: oh, thanks, that's what i want, probably. i was looking at the same page, but i only saw the .deb packages at the top |
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| 15:24.24 | fsf-free | afsal, ya |
| 15:24.54 | afsal | fsf-free: are you using an android device?????? |
| 15:25.07 | fsf-free | afsal, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 15:28.04 | afsal | fsf-free: lets check 'Debian Kit' and 'Linux installer' in playstore |
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| 15:32.13 | Mikaela | I think that there is also open source one called Lildebi. |
| 15:33.21 | afsal | Mikaela: Yeah! |
| 15:33.50 | afsal | fsf-free: you can also check Lildebi |
| 15:34.13 | fsf-free | wait checking |
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| 15:34.59 | atari314 | Hello, anyone here had problems recompiling filezilla on debian 7? the default steps (apt-get build-dep filezilla && apt-get source filezilla && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b) are not returning the filezilla bin. |
| 15:35.02 | atari314 | I mean, the .deb packages are created successfully, but the filezilla bin isn't there (neither on filezilla-common) |
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| 15:43.24 | dFence | hey guys - here's something to pick your brains :) what are the chances of a base64-encoded file (decoded ~20k) containing any profanities in 4 different languages? |
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| 15:49.53 | Cryogen | Hello, I'd like to create a bash script that connect via ssh to a remote server, execute some commands and save the output in a local file, or even print it on the screen. Any tips? |
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| 15:51.22 | brah | mhh |
| 15:51.28 | masterkorp | Hello chefs |
| 15:51.30 | brah | How do I get aliases to work with Gnome's altf2? |
| 15:51.48 | masterkorp | how do I check if a data bag item has a certain attribute ? |
| 15:52.11 | masterkorp | item.attribute?() method does not exist |
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| 15:52.26 | shawnbon206 | hey guys! thanks for being here! :D |
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| 15:53.56 | esproul | hi, I have some questions about deb packaging; is this channel appropriate or is there a more specialized one? |
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| 15:54.35 | afsal | dFence: I don't understand even you question also ;) |
| 15:55.14 | afsal | esproul: you just ask man... |
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| 15:56.37 | esproul | afsal: okeydoke. so, I'm new to dpkg but have done packaging for other systems; I'm curious how to best approach this task… |
| 15:56.58 | esproul | I'm doing an "omnibus"-style build with multiple upstream sources |
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| 15:58.19 | dFence | afsal: a client wants to use a base64 encoded file of <whatever> as "robot-talk" in a game, and sent us this file to check against profanities in 4 languages |
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| 15:58.37 | afsal | esproul: check this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
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| 15:59.45 | esproul | afsal: thanks, yeah I've reviewed that already, maybe I missed something, but the control file, etc. seem really geared toward a 1:1 source-binary relationship |
| 16:00.14 | brah | What do you think could be happening |
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| 16:00.31 | brah | that on a 777 nobody:nogroup folder, an user sometimes creates a 600 user:user file instead of the usual 644? |
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| 16:03.33 | johnakabean | why is the networking service not on for any runlevels? |
| 16:03.35 | shawnbon206 | the users you want to have permission from those files should be added to the nogroup group instead of changing the rwx perms |
| 16:03.57 | shawnbon206 | s/from/to |
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| 16:04.30 | afsal | esproul: you can ask channel #debian in irc.debian.org also |
| 16:04.45 | esproul | afsal: good point, thanks |
| 16:04.56 | masterkorp | any idea ? |
| 16:04.58 | petn-randall | bea: No, you'll have to use a different installer for that then. But you might have luck asking in the dropbox support forums, there aren't many people using dropbox here. |
| 16:05.05 | johnakabean | with debian wheezy, why is the networking service not set to run for any run level?" |
| 16:05.09 | shawnbon206 | brah^ |
| 16:05.32 | brah | shawnbon206: It's an iffy samba share. |
| 16:05.38 | johnakabean | yet the network, uhh works |
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| 16:05.53 | brah | With no perms, it's ok if the file is created with 644. But every now and then a file will be created with no others read perm. |
| 16:06.14 | shawnbon206 | brah that sucks. samba is a nightmare |
| 16:06.25 | petn-randall | brah: The one doesn't have to do anything with the other. A user can only create files that belong to him, anything else would be a huge security hole. |
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| 16:07.03 | brah | petn-randall: If i touch a file it's 644 user:user as usual. But now and then a file will be created using 600 user:user |
| 16:07.29 | brah | This doesn't have to do anything with samba, I just explained that because he suggested a workaround that is not applicable in my case. |
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| 16:08.20 | petn-randall | brah: That depends on the umask the user has. A umask of 077 will create such files. |
| 16:08.37 | brah | umask returns 0022 |
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| 16:10.15 | iTommix | Hi @ all. using wheezy, evth is installed on one partition. now, if i try ln /tmp/mysql.sock /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock it results in "invalid hard link across devices" - what wrong? |
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| 16:10.33 | shawnbon206 | brah thats not really a workaround, its more like the defacto standard for unix, however cifs doesnt make any sense to me. maybe you can teach me sometime :) |
| 16:10.34 | brah | How 777-022=644 beats me, though. |
| 16:10.53 | brah | shawnbon206: Edit /etc/smb.conf, hope it sticks! |
| 16:10.59 | smyers | iTommix, exactly what the error says. You can't hard link from one filesystem/device to another. |
| 16:11.06 | brah | And don't forget to wear your lucky shirt. |
| 16:11.07 | smyers | Consider using a symbolic link instead (ln -s) |
| 16:11.38 | iTommix | smyers: i don't do this... i wrote: evth is installed on one partition |
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| 16:12.11 | shawnbon206 | yeah for some reason windows 7 clients think theres a password. i had better luck with win7 ultimate and NFS |
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| 16:12.31 | petn-randall | iTommix: read 'man ln', then look at the output of 'mount'. Draw your conclusions :) |
| 16:12.43 | smyers | iTommix, that error message disagrees. Check /proc/mounts and see what's really happening. |
| 16:12.51 | smyers | Our the output of mount ^^ :) |
| 16:13.30 | iTommix | ok... i checked the fstab (because i've got this error already on an other machine ) |
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| 16:13.57 | iTommix | how to do with /proc/mounts - any help would be fine ;) |
| 16:14.22 | petn-randall | iTommix: Don't look at /proc/mounts, don't look at /etc/fstab, just type 'mount' as root and look at the output. |
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| 16:15.25 | iTommix | shall i post result on pastebin or here? |
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| 16:16.04 | petn-randall | iTommix: If you need help interpreting the output, yes. |
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| 16:16.27 | iTommix | could be this, yes: tmpfs on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=5120k) |
| 16:17.22 | iTommix | this is complete result: http://pastebin.com/jfKEvByT |
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| 16:18.03 | shur | Something is happening to me. |
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| 16:18.42 | dFence | shur: It's called "waking up", it's bound to happen at some point |
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| 16:19.18 | Nik05 | iTommix if you want people to help, use paste.debian.net and especially not pastebin.com ;) |
| 16:19.41 | iTommix | ok... but i asked before... lol |
| 16:19.53 | iTommix | so... i should re-paste it yes? |
| 16:20.03 | abrotman | no, he can click it |
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| 16:20.10 | abrotman | Just for future reference |
| 16:20.18 | petn-randall | (if he has javascript in his browser) |
| 16:20.24 | shur | I know a text is written in spanish with strange characters, however I iterate all spanish locales ($(locale -a) in fact) over $LANG as LANG=$lang vim file and can't get the enne working well. I chose "C - No localization" in install. Then tried adding locales with # dpkg-reconfigure locales and added several locales. |
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| 16:20.47 | petn-randall | iTommix: So /run/lock is a filesystem separate from /tmp, which is why ln fails. |
| 16:20.48 | iTommix | no problem at all :) http://paste.debian.net/80129/ |
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| 16:21.11 | abrotman | petn-randall: /var/run/ and /tmp/ |
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| 16:21.34 | zvz | does anyone here use the MIT mirrors? when a mirror goes down, how long does it generally stay down for? |
| 16:21.36 | iTommix | yes... it seems they are separated... but why=? |
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| 16:21.50 | iTommix | and moreover: how to fix it? |
| 16:22.01 | abrotman | zvz: no one can know that, we don't administrate those mirrors |
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| 16:22.24 | abrotman | dpkg: tell zvz about http.debian.net |
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| 16:23.07 | petn-randall | iTommix: There's nothing to fix. What are you trying to achieve with that hardlink? |
| 16:23.25 | zvz | abrotman: OK, I didn't know if perhaps word gets around about that sort of thing. thank you |
| 16:23.43 | abrotman | zvz: the http.debian.net will solve your woes AIUI |
| 16:24.25 | iTommix | ok... the mysql.sock should be available for any other application, thats why i want it in /tmp and after ln it as a normal mysqld.sock |
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| 16:25.03 | iTommix | so... my courier runs as vmail... but vmail doesn't have access to /var/run/.... |
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| 16:25.40 | workingcats | hello, i've just set up a brand new wheezy and then realized this webapp requires php-5.3.. could anyone point me to a deb somewhere for that by any chance? |
| 16:26.03 | abrotman | it doesn't work with 5.4? |
| 16:26.11 | workingcats | abrotman, nope -.- |
| 16:26.15 | workingcats | it's vtiger |
| 16:26.16 | abrotman | that's a crappy app .. |
| 16:26.20 | workingcats | agreed |
| 16:26.47 | petn-randall | workingcats: 5.3 doesn't receive security support from Debian, so I guess you should look for a better app. |
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| 16:26.52 | abrotman | workingcats: squeeze has 5.3, but is only supported for another few months .. Is there no way to get the app updated to work with 5.3? |
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| 16:26.59 | abrotman | and when you say "Doesn't work", what about the app doesn't work ? |
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| 16:27.31 | workingcats | abrotman, well i dont wanna go to squeeze, i'd be better off just installing php53 from sources |
| 16:27.37 | workingcats | well it doesnt even go through the setup wizard |
| 16:27.54 | workingcats | and from postings by others i gather that the problems don't stop there |
| 16:27.59 | abrotman | I don't think you'd be better of with sources .. I don't think they're fixing the 5.3.x tree either |
| 16:28.22 | workingcats | yeah but then at least i still get distro updates for everything except php |
| 16:28.33 | abrotman | Oh, they updated it in December, so maybe they are |
| 16:29.08 | phunyguy | hey folks, I was having issues with my NVidia card in Wheezy, so I removed it in favor of onboard video (still decent, Intel HD4000), but I cannot enable OpenGL Desktop effects. Any ideas? |
| 16:29.16 | drwahl | workingcats: thinking longer term: whatever work you put in to getting 5.3 working now will have to be duplicated if there are issues with the server |
| 16:29.26 | petn-randall | iTommix: You need to configure mysql to create another socket there. If that fails, you can bind mount the socket there. |
| 16:29.27 | phunyguy | I tried removing what I installed, but still no joy. |
| 16:29.50 | workingcats | drwahl, well i'd record all commands and keep all the downloads |
| 16:29.51 | phunyguy | (I installed Nvidia binaries from official repos, before it starts. ;) ) |
| 16:30.11 | iTommix | petn-randall: mysql can create more then one socket? |
| 16:30.15 | brah | Can anybody explain this umask issue to me? http://paste.debian.net/80131/ |
| 16:30.21 | brah | Is there even an issue? Is this working properly? |
| 16:30.26 | zvz | abrotman: wow, I've used Debian for several years and I didn't know about http.debian.net. MIT is only 15 miles from me, but this is even faster. thanks a bunch :) |
| 16:30.30 | drwahl | workingcats: i'd suggest you either 1) do the work to package 5.3 for wheezy, 2) use squeeze, 3) ditch vtiger all together |
| 16:30.43 | wols_ | phunyguy: your nvidia crap is most likely the culprit. reinstall mesa |
| 16:30.51 | phunyguy | yeah probably |
| 16:30.56 | petn-randall | iTommix: I'm just guessing, you'll have to look it up in the actual docs. Starting point is to look for mysql.sock in /etc/mysql, then google the config option. |
| 16:31.12 | phunyguy | wols_: mesa-utils? |
| 16:31.55 | iTommix | petn-randall: i thought u know it for sure ;) because i don't think thats possible... anyway... why does debian this sh*#. ?! |
| 16:32.45 | workingcats | drwahl, hrm well i guess 1 would be the most viable since i really cba to spend ages comparing CRMs. not fond of webapps or php to begin with ;) |
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| 16:33.07 | abrotman | zvz: it's new within the past year or two. |
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| 16:35.26 | petn-randall | iTommix: What shit? You're apparently using chroot and fail to understand the consequences. You'd run into the exact problem in any other distro. |
| 16:36.37 | nf | Hi there, sorry if this is a very basic question. In OSX, whenever the system freezes, the dock is still accessible 99% of the time for forcing a shutdown of a program, in Windows, CTRL ALT DEL almost always works to bring up the task manager. What is the Linux/Debian equivalent? When the system locks up (rarely) I don't really know what to do other than wait. Is there some sort of key combination? |
| 16:37.00 | workingcats | oh well, thanks for the help, i'll search for a patch a bit more and alternatively i guess i'll be learning deb packaging tonight lol |
| 16:37.00 | iTommix | petn-randall: ok... i have another install with squeeze and there evth is fine so far... run into this problem first time. on an other machine there was a problem that /tmp was on another partion, easy to solve... but this... :( |
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| 16:39.24 | iTommix | petn-randall: found this: http://serverfault.com/questions/271475/how-do-i-hardlink-run-to-var-run-on-debian-and-should-i-be-doing-it (1. answer) - but how to do it in my case. any suggestions? |
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| 16:44.17 | petn-randall | iTommix: I already gave you two suggestions. Did you follow them up? |
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| 16:45.47 | iTommix | petn-randall: the first is impossible, you can run multiple mysql instances but the don't have access to one db of course. the second, to bind, i don't know how |
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| 16:46.45 | n4v4r3d | Hi all guys |
| 16:46.52 | n4v4r3d | plz help me :( |
| 16:46.59 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 16:46.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:47.13 | petn-randall | iTommix: Or use the loopback interface. That's what it's for :) |
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| 16:48.38 | iTommix | petn-randall: i have to use a socket... loopback is an IP (or its too late that i am wrong?) |
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| 16:49.56 | petn-randall | iTommix: loopback is the network interface 'lo'. It's used for programs on the same computer to communicate over IP, like in your case. |
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| 16:50.28 | shur | Maybe changing /etc/default/locale and rebooting will solve something? |
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| 16:50.42 | iTommix | petn-randall: i told u... i need a physically socket... not via ip:port |
| 16:51.48 | petn-randall | iTommix: Why? That would be a sensible way to configure it. |
| 16:53.14 | iTommix | petn-randall: its courier and postfix expect this... ok... maybe there is a way over ip... but its pretty new for me... nevermind will have a closing time for today. thanks for helping me, maybe tomorrow i see evth a bit clearer :) |
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| 16:54.32 | petn-randall | iTommix: You can let courier and postfix access mysql via socket or via tcp port, it's just a matter of configuration. Ask here if you run into problems setting it up. |
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| 16:55.36 | iTommix | petn-randall: to access the mysql for authentication? |
| 16:56.02 | petn-randall | iTommix: To access mysql, yes. |
| 16:56.06 | mrAZ | petn-randall: kernel 3.0.xxx fixed the problem. thanks for sharing. |
| 16:56.20 | petn-randall | mrAZ: You're welcome, any time again :) |
| 16:57.21 | iTommix | petn-randall: its the first i will investigate... :) |
| 16:57.32 | iTommix | anyway... good bye and thanks .... |
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| 16:59.09 | shur | I finally found it! it was a `vim` encoding problem! I can keep using debian with no locale config! ^^ |
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| 17:00.16 | brah | Ooooh |
| 17:00.17 | brah | I just remembered |
| 17:00.24 | brah | This particular version of Icedove, from Squeeze |
| 17:00.35 | brah | has a bug where Save as and clicking an attachment generate different file permissions. |
| 17:00.38 | aso824 | Hi, on new installed debian 8.0 testing, my friend removed content of folder /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d. What files is in it? Any important? I know only about synaptics config file |
| 17:01.52 | brah | aso824: evdev, vmmouse and wacom |
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| 17:03.38 | aso824 | brah: thanks.. i think that evdev and vmmouse is important? :) how i can return that - by completely remove and install packets xf86-input-evdev and xf86-input-vmmouse? |
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| 17:04.10 | brah | aso824: If it was that, I'd install --reinstall |
| 17:04.46 | aso824 | brah: thanks, I will try now |
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| 17:16.36 | cybrNaut- | what package implements the netinst installer? |
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| 17:16.57 | daemonkeeper | Lots of packages. |
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| 17:18.04 | daemonkeeper | There is the debian-installer package, the partman packages, etc. |
| 17:18.38 | daemonkeeper | To get the idea: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/debian-installer/ |
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| 17:22.36 | aso824 | brah: uh, evdev config not returned (vmmouse, wacom and synaptics correct); what now? |
| 17:23.10 | barboza | hi |
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| 17:23.20 | jhutchins | cybrNaut-: netinst is not a packaged item, it is an iso image. |
| 17:23.36 | jhutchins | cybrNaut-: What are you trying to do? |
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| 17:24.59 | cybrNaut- | jhutchins: write a bug report |
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| 17:26.29 | cybrNaut- | daemonkeeper: thanks |
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| 17:33.13 | aso824 | Huh, how I can recovery file /etc/share/x11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf? Reinstalled package x11-xorg-input-evdev and config not returned.. |
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| 17:35.01 | jelly | aso824: did you change it or delete it? |
| 17:35.16 | drwahl | aso824: apt-file suggests it comes from the xserver-xorg-core package |
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| 17:36.01 | jelly | judd: file /etc/share/x11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf |
| 17:36.09 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 17:36.38 | aso824 | jelly: deleted content of folder xorg.conf.d in new installed debian 8.0 testing, after reinstall 3 packages i now have synaptics, vmmouse and wacom, but evdev missing |
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| 17:37.09 | jelly | dpkg, tell aso824 about confmiss |
| 17:37.32 | aso824 | drwahl: thanks, I trying reinstall that package now |
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| 17:37.43 | jelly | judd: file /etc/share/x11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf --release jessie |
| 17:37.48 | aso824 | drwahl: works :D veeery thanks |
| 17:37.57 | judd | No packages in jessie/i386 were found with that file. |
| 17:38.00 | aso824 | jelly: thx for that advice, I don't know about it |
| 17:38.11 | jelly | gives up |
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| 17:40.42 | WilliamDotSI | hm |
| 17:40.52 | WilliamDotSI | 2 complete same nodes, same OS, same kernel |
| 17:41.03 | WilliamDotSI | one shows me ib0/ib1 after modprobe ib_ipoib |
| 17:41.05 | WilliamDotSI | one does not |
| 17:41.12 | WilliamDotSI | lspci confirms both see the cards |
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| 17:48.03 | zh1 | hmm made an error on my debian install made a 100mb swap and i only have 1gb ram, how i easily change swap size again? |
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| 17:48.27 | wols_ | zh1: partition of swapfile? |
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| 17:48.41 | wols_ | s/of/or/ |
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| 17:49.24 | zh1 | partition |
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| 17:49.52 | zh1 | i can use gparted? its like delete swap resize other partitio and create new swap? |
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| 17:50.27 | zh1 | partition |
| 17:50.28 | zerick | if you have enough aditional free space, yes |
| 17:50.35 | aso824 | zh1: yes |
| 17:50.38 | wols_ | yes. you need to run "swapoff -a" before gparted. and don't forget backups before resizing |
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| 17:51.33 | zh1 | gone do with no backups for the win |
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| 17:52.19 | zh1 | if it fails i install debian again |
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| 17:53.08 | zh1 | thanks |
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| 17:58.23 | Jonuz_ | Does debian live system also contain installer? |
| 17:58.30 | napcae | Jonuz_: ofc |
| 17:58.37 | Jonuz_ | Good |
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| 18:03.58 | hid3 | Is there any way to display an image without having X installed? I need a logo to be displayed during presentation on a console-only setup... |
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| 18:04.21 | SquirrelCZECH_ | hid3: ascii art could be nice idea |
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| 18:04.43 | Blue1 | hid3: good question -- I don't know anyway off the top of my head. |
| 18:04.57 | jhutchins | hid3: There are ways to use the framebuffer to display images in text mode. |
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| 18:05.32 | hid3 | well, ascii art is not a solution (this time!) for sure |
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| 18:06.10 | Blue1 | hid3: well if you have wine installed there are file viewers a plenty for windows - that does NOT require x afaik. |
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| 18:07.02 | hid3 | hey, it's almost a server box so no wine :) |
| 18:07.03 | Blue1 | iirc lynx might display images |
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| 18:07.45 | Blue1 | i haven't used lynx in a decade |
| 18:07.59 | petn-randall | napcae: Wasn't always the case ... :) |
| 18:08.06 | napcae | if thats true you could start a python webshare and display the picture via lynx |
| 18:08.34 | petn-randall | hid3: aalib can do that, I think there's an output mode either for mplayer or vlc. |
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| 18:10.34 | Blue1 | lynx lauched something called geeqie |
| 18:10.34 | Blue1 | to view the pictures |
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| 18:10.54 | Packardnode | hey. I want to install a proxy server on my debian 7 vps. But i don't know much about linux stuff. What would be the easiest Proxy server to install? |
| 18:11.07 | Blue1 | squidproxy |
| 18:11.09 | abrotman | squid probably |
| 18:11.52 | Packardnode | kk, thx. i'll try it :) |
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| 18:13.29 | fsf-free | would we switch to 3.10 in the next Debian gnu/linux distro ? |
| 18:13.38 | abrotman | 3.10 WHAT? |
| 18:13.53 | abrotman | Gnome? Kernel? Windows? |
| 18:14.04 | fsf-free | linux kernel |
| 18:14.05 | fsf-free | :] |
| 18:14.12 | abrotman | no, it won't be 3.10 |
| 18:14.18 | fsf-free | and what would be the default DE ? |
| 18:14.19 | nkuttler | linux has a kernel now? |
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| 18:14.28 | abrotman | fsf-free: Does it really matter? |
| 18:14.34 | fsf-free | nkuttler, linux is a kernel |
| 18:14.34 | abrotman | you just install the one you want to use. |
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| 18:14.54 | fsf-free | abrotman, yep :] |
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| 18:14.54 | abrotman | fsf-free: so why does it matter? |
| 18:14.54 | fsf-free | When is next version likely to come ? |
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| 18:15.02 | abrotman | fsf-free: it's not even frozen yet, no one knows |
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| 18:15.10 | nkuttler | fsf-free: sooner if you help |
| 18:15.11 | fsf-free | abrotman, my laptop is low powered and does not work well on gnome 3 |
| 18:15.16 | dos000 | is there a .deb packagage i can install on my squeeze box of g++-4.8 ? |
| 18:15.18 | abrotman | then don't use it .. install something else |
| 18:15.32 | nkuttler | ,v g++ |
| 18:15.33 | judd | Package: g++ on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.8.2-2; sid: 4:4.8.2-2; experimental: 4:4.9-1exp1 |
| 18:16.24 | dos000 | nkuttler: thanks for the package. i knew its in testing already ... just cant figure where i can get the debs .. and the steps |
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| 18:16.42 | nkuttler | dos000: you probably can't install them on squeeze anyway |
| 18:16.54 | dos000 | nkuttler: ouch !!! |
| 18:17.14 | dos000 | nkuttler: even if i compiled from sources ??? n their own prefix directory ? |
| 18:17.19 | nkuttler | !tell dos000 about pdo |
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| 18:17.25 | nkuttler | dos000: sure, you can build anything you like |
| 18:17.29 | f-a | Hello: I have a PC connected to the internet via 3g, which is also WiFi capable, and another PC (not yet connected to the net), who is only wifi capable. I would like pc-a to behave as a 'router' and share it connection with pc-b (a sort of mobile tethering I guess). I am using network-manager, what should I do? create a new connection? a new vpn? I am unsure what to search as now. |
| 18:18.09 | abrotman | dos000: be aware squeeze will lose security support in 4 months or so |
| 18:19.29 | nkuttler | f-a: fwiw, i found nm rather limited.. i wouldn't be sure it can set up routing/nat/whatever |
| 18:19.37 | dos000 | how can i tell which version i have ? i looked at sources and it has squeeze in it . |
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| 18:19.49 | nkuttler | dos000: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:20.10 | f-a | nkuttler: I see, what do you suggest using then? |
| 18:21.04 | f-a | (if ther is such a tool) |
| 18:21.07 | nkuttler | f-a: dunno, i just edit the interfaces (5) file |
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| 18:21.51 | dos000 | nkuttler: debian_version says 7.3 ... but sources are pointing to squeeze !! |
| 18:22.16 | nkuttler | dos000: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 18:22.46 | useless-eater | hi :) I would love to have rigsofrods packaged for debian wheezy/jessie Compiling it is aids. |
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| 18:23.21 | dos000 | nkuttler: libc6: Installed: 2.13-38 |
| 18:23.37 | nkuttler | ,v libc6 |
| 18:23.38 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.17-97; sid: 2.17-97; experimental: 2.18-0experimental1 |
| 18:23.57 | nkuttler | dos000: sounds like somebody edited your sources.list after upgrading to wheezy |
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| 18:24.33 | dos000 | nkuttler: i did a dist-upgrade myself |
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| 18:25.15 | f-a | will check then nkuttler , thanks |
| 18:25.25 | nkuttler | dos000: yes, you can't just change your sources.list and revert to an older release.. |
| 18:26.40 | dos000 | nkuttler: i mean i think the box was squeeze then i did an apt-get dist-upgrade which maybe upgraded it ? |
| 18:27.38 | nkuttler | dos000: it certainly did |
| 18:28.16 | dos000 | nkuttler: was it supposed to update the sources.list as well ? |
| 18:28.27 | nkuttler | dos000: no |
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| 18:28.51 | dos000 | nkuttler: ok .. solves the mystery ! |
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| 18:29.40 | nkuttler | dos000: but.. you wouldn't have upgraded to wheezy unless you have wheezy or "stable" in your sources.list |
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| 18:30.31 | gregc2 | does anyone know any good isc dhcp web page managment software? I tried phpDHCPAdmin but its so horribly broken.... any help would be appreciated. |
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| 18:31.02 | dos000 | nkuttler: i have stable in my sources.list ( |
| 18:31.27 | nkuttler | dos000: stable == wheezy now |
| 18:31.35 | nkuttler | dos000: and, don't do that again |
| 18:31.41 | dos000 | nkuttler: yes ... thanks a lot nkuttler ) |
| 18:32.06 | dos000 | nkuttler: the machine is provided by a vm provider ( |
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| 18:32.41 | dos000 | nkuttler: the first thing i do is always do dist-upgrade ... but i did not check the sources.list first |
| 18:33.15 | dos000 | nkuttler: i appreciate all your help ... ) |
| 18:33.56 | nkuttler | dos000: you're welcome. be especially careful with those if you can't upgrade the kernel |
| 18:34.28 | dos000 | nkuttler: will make sure from now on ! |
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| 18:36.55 | romm- | Sorry to hop in, but what's the best practice here, using "stable" or the version names? Seems like "wheezy" is more correct in sources.list. |
| 18:37.30 | drwahl | romm-: depends on your needs. if you want to track whatever is "stable" and automagically upgrade when debian sanctions something a the new "stable", then use stable |
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| 18:38.02 | drwahl | romm-: if you want a little more control over your systems, then pinning to a name will ensure you don't, unbeknownst to you, do a massive system upgrade |
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| 18:38.04 | fsf-free | is tar good for encryption of archives ? |
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| 18:38.26 | babilen | romm-: You want to use "wheezy" - Using "stable" would, at best, perform a dist-upgrade at an unexpected time and, more likely, break something as you perform an upgrade in an unsupported manner. |
| 18:38.29 | drwahl | fsf-free: what type of security are you looking for when you say 'encryption'? |
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| 18:38.57 | fsf-free | good enough to upload online :] drwahl |
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| 18:39.32 | romm- | babilen: Exactly. I can't really think of a case where I would prefer to use "stable". Sudden upgrades are scary. |
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| 18:39.38 | romm- | Okay, thanks. |
| 18:39.41 | drwahl | fsf-free: you would be better off using something like gpg |
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| 18:40.20 | drwahl | romm-: i use 'unstable' at home on my desktop because i'm wanting to be on the bleeding edge and don't really care about breakage (i'll report bugs i find) |
| 18:40.36 | drwahl | romm-: but if you require better control, then using the release names is better |
| 18:40.47 | petn-randall | drwahl: "automagically" dist-upgrade is a no-no since you should prepare for that and it will likely break things at a unexpected point in time. |
| 18:41.14 | babilen | romm-: unstable is not comparable at all to "stable" as new packages are uploaded to unstable all the time and there really isn't such a thing as a proper upgrade between releases. |
| 18:41.42 | romm- | Got it. Thanks. Since I do work on my debian I don't think sudden upgrades would suit me. |
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| 18:42.01 | petn-randall | Also, unstable is and will always be sid, so there are no surprise there. |
| 18:42.07 | drwahl | petn-randall: yup, agreed. i'm far from careful when i dist-upgrade on 'unstable', but at the same time, the worse case scenario is i have to reinstall my desktop, which i do almost monthly anyways, so it's not a big deal in my case |
| 18:42.08 | babilen | romm-: So, I would strongly recommend to use "wheeze" and to follow the release notes for upgrades between releases at a point in time that suits *you* |
| 18:42.29 | drwahl | agress with babilen |
| 18:43.02 | petn-randall | * wheezy |
| 18:43.09 | romm- | That's what I'm doing, with the exception of several packages I took from testing by prioritizing. |
| 18:43.19 | babilen | drwahl: Yes, but this is a place where people are supported that might run hundreds of mission critical production boxes. Advice such as "run unstable" or even "track stable" (as opposed to "track wheezy") should not be given lightly. |
| 18:43.22 | romm- | Just wanted to make sure. |
| 18:43.55 | petn-randall | romm-: You shouldn't mix stable and testing. We have backports for that, which are much safer and have a muc lower risk of breaking your system. |
| 18:44.06 | babilen | romm-: I also wouldn't recommend to install pacakges from testing, but to backport them explicitly by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb" if they are not yet available in wheezy-backports |
| 18:44.37 | romm- | I'm not on my debian right now, but I'm pretty sure I looked at backports and those packages weren't there. |
| 18:45.04 | romm- | Oh. |
| 18:45.09 | babilen | romm-: Then backport them yourself! Mixing releases will cause you problems sooner or later |
| 18:45.27 | gregc2 | does anyone know any good isc dhcp web page managment software? I tried phpDHCPAdmin but its so horribly broken.... any help would be appreciated. |
| 18:45.29 | drwahl | babilen: my apologize, i wasn't intending to say "track unstable". i was trying to explain the difference between the methods, and why/when i choose either option |
| 18:46.01 | babilen | drwahl: No, I didn't understand it that way (nor, I would hope, did anybody else) -- I simply wanted to point that out :) |
| 18:46.28 | romm- | babilen: Didn't know it's that easy. I'll try it. Thanks |
| 18:47.36 | babilen | romm-: Well, it is not necessarily that easy, but it very well might be. The first step is to check if you can find the build-dependencies of the packages you want to backport in wheezy or wheezy-backports. One of our bots, judd, can test that automagically if you ask it "/msg judd checkbackport PKG". For example: |
| 18:47.43 | babilen | judd: checkbackport mutt-patched |
| 18:47.45 | judd | Backporting package mutt-patched in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using archignore, wheezy. |
| 18:48.15 | babilen | romm-: Read more about that bot on http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ |
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| 18:49.09 | babilen | romm-: It might be that it lists packages that can not be easily installed from wheezy or wheezy-backports repository. You would then have to backports those (and their respective dependencies) and install them first. |
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| 18:50.12 | babilen | romm-: It is a strategy that only gets you as far, but it is definitely much better than mixing releases. If you happen to find yourself in this situation quite frequently you might want to consider tracking testing or unstable in a sensible way (see https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable for some tips on that) |
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| 18:50.43 | babilen | romm-: I'd say that maintaining more than ten local backports is about as many as you want to handle |
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| 18:51.55 | petn-randall | gregc2: You're better off just editing the config files. If you don't know how to configure it yet, a nice web frontend won't help you much. |
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| 18:52.21 | gregc2 | yeah, its not really for that. its for some IT staff that just need to add mac addrs |
| 18:52.30 | gregc2 | and dont know command line linux |
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| 18:52.44 | ted20 | Hi! |
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| 18:53.18 | gregc2 | server is conf'ed and working... just really need to add dhcp leases via mac addr |
| 18:53.28 | gregc2 | i would go with webmin, but i want something specific |
| 18:54.07 | gregc2 | and webmin makes me feel dirty |
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| 18:54.41 | romm- | babilen: Thanks! |
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| 18:56.06 | ted20 | Why my integral mic doesn't works? I use a Haswell chipset... Kernel & alsa from sid... |
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| 19:00.13 | dutchfish | !doesnt work |
| 19:00.14 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 19:00.51 | ted20 | dutchfish: haha, nice nick :D Look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sony_Vaio_Pro_SVP-1x21#Internal_mic |
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| 19:01.58 | jhutchins | !webmin |
| 19:01.59 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 19:02.30 | jhutchins | gregc2: You're trying to add _reservations_ by mac address? |
| 19:02.43 | dutchfish | ted20, have you tried http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/neard ? |
| 19:03.02 | gregc2 | yeah have a defined subnet and pool just really want to add reservations on a web gui |
| 19:03.11 | gregc2 | ideally no webmin |
| 19:03.45 | gregc2 | looks like thats the only working solution though |
| 19:03.51 | jhutchins | gregc2: Teach somebody to use the CLI and assign the task to them. |
| 19:04.01 | gregc2 | yeah, thats not really possible. |
| 19:04.04 | jhutchins | gregc2: Lots of things in *nix don't have a GUI. |
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| 19:04.26 | ted20 | dutchfish: My notebook haven't got a NFC |
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| 19:05.07 | jhutchins | gregc2: The terms "webmin" and "working solution" are mutually exclusive. |
| 19:05.07 | gregc2 | thanks though. |
| 19:05.16 | ted20 | dutchfish: *not have of course |
| 19:05.22 | dutchfish | ted20, ah ok, in any case i believe this is fixed in newer kernels, what kernel are you using? |
| 19:05.39 | jhutchins | gregc2: Look at some of the alternatives above. I don't know if any of them can manage DHCP reservations. |
| 19:06.00 | gregc2 | ..... |
| 19:06.37 | jhutchins | !free whcp |
| 19:06.37 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 19:06.41 | ted20 | dutchfish: at the moment is My notebook haven't got a NFC |
| 19:06.45 | gregc2 | just... just stop |
| 19:06.52 | ted20 | dutchfish: at the moment is linux-image-3.12-1-amd64 from sid |
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| 19:08.43 | ted20 | dutchfish: alsa's also from sid |
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| 19:09.41 | dutchfish | ted20, 6 days old: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/diff/drivers/platform/x86/sony-laptop.c?id=b7a8399edfd7ad3da36d51513ea30a4708b02b52 |
| 19:10.09 | dutchfish | ted20, i dont know its impact, because i have not such a laptop |
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| 19:10.52 | dutchfish | ted20, but its a fix for the sony-laptop platform drivers |
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| 19:12.02 | ted20 | dutchfish: ok, but my laptop is lenovo (chipset also haswell)... |
| 19:12.30 | dutchfish | ted20, check dmesg and lspci, paste them into the pastebin if neccesary |
| 19:12.49 | ted20 | dutchfish: men, lspci show haswell audio... |
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| 19:21.35 | gregc2 | bah, looks like I will have to break out web min |
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| 19:21.47 | centrx | !webmin |
| 19:21.47 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 19:21.54 | xreal | Can I show the used memory after running an application ? |
| 19:22.06 | centrx | What is this: -NeilHanlon- Please specify a location !webmin [zipcode|city,state|city,country|airport] |
| 19:22.15 | petn-randall | gregc2: Learn how to use an editor. If your admin can't do that, you shouldn't let him be your admin. |
| 19:22.27 | centrx | xreal, free/ps |
| 19:22.43 | xreal | centrx: I mean, I want to see the memory peak used by the app. |
| 19:22.57 | xreal | centrx: free/ps only show me *while* running. |
| 19:22.58 | gregc2 | Thats some interesting logic. |
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| 19:24.07 | xreal | gregc2: mine ? |
| 19:24.21 | gregc2 | no petn |
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| 19:26.29 | mwallacesd | What is the difference between GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX"1440x900" /// GRUB_GFXMODE="1440x900" /// GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX="1440x900" ? I am adjusting the text mode resolution in a virtual machine. |
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| 19:29.22 | maasha | hi |
| 19:29.30 | centrx | Ahoy |
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| 19:30.16 | petn-randall | mwallacesd: I don't know, but those vars should be documented. |
| 19:30.32 | maasha | I managed to get a server banned from the network. I was told that it "harvests all IP addresses on the network". Pretty strange since it got two static IPs configured and no DHCP. Ideas? And that is off-line ideas ... |
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| 19:32.14 | mwallacesd | petn-randall, how can I see the documentation about those vars? (Sorry, I'm just starting with linux) |
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| 19:32.22 | dondelelcaro | maasha: are you sure you don't have a dhcp client running? did they mean that it was aquiring leases? |
| 19:32.48 | mwallacesd | petn-randall, something like man grub? |
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| 19:33.10 | ruukasu | Running sid, I ran the usual update, upgrade, dist-upgrade yesterday, and after rebooting today a package stopped working. I downgraded that package to the jessie version and it's working again. Should I report this somewhere? |
| 19:33.12 | maasha | dondelelcaro: It may be running, but none of the eth cards are configured to use DHCP. I was thinking about purging the dhcp client. |
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| 19:34.47 | petn-randall | mwallacesd: No problem. /etc/default/grub, where you can set these vars, says "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'". I just looked, they're documented there. |
| 19:34.48 | maasha | dondelelcaro: I was told that my server acquired all IP addresses. So that when a machine asked for an address, my machine already got it. |
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| 19:35.48 | petn-randall | maasha: I'm missing context. This server is yours, and it's standing where? Who told you it took all dhcp leases? |
| 19:36.19 | mwallacesd | Thanks a lot petn-randall. See you. |
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| 19:36.41 | petn-randall | mwallacesd: Have a nice one! See you. |
| 19:36.48 | maasha | petn-randall: so its on the university network. IT guys disabled the network for my internet connection until problem is resolved. |
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| 19:38.05 | petn-randall | maasha: Ouch, that sucks. Even if you somehow configured it to use dhcp it would only grab *one* IP address, not all. |
| 19:38.28 | petn-randall | maasha: check with 'ps axuw | grep dhc' if anything to that effect is running. |
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| 19:39.06 | yells | :q |
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| 19:39.22 | yells | sorry -.- |
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| 19:40.12 | maasha | petn-randall: yeah, it sucks. I am collecting ideas of what to do. So far I want to kill the dhcp client (even purge if necessary), and reset iDRAC /ilo to factory settings. |
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| 19:40.45 | maasha | petn-randall: then I shall visit the server tomorrow and fiddle. |
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| 19:41.27 | petn-randall | maasha: So there was a dhcp client running? You can check in the logs if it requested any leases. |
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| 19:43.16 | jhutchins | ruukasu: Yes please. |
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| 19:43.39 | jhutchins | !tell ruukasu about reportbug |
| 19:43.53 | maasha | petn-randall: I have to confirm when I get access to the server (tomorrow). For now I am looking for ideas of what may be wrong - anything I can Google for. When would a dhcp client acquire multiple IPs? |
| 19:43.57 | ruukasu | jhutchins, apt-cache search reportbug comes up enpty |
| 19:44.08 | ruukasu | empty* |
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| 19:45.09 | jhutchins | ruukasu: I belive other methods are included in that factoid. |
| 19:45.35 | jhutchins | ruukasu: You might also ask in debian-next on oftc.net - there may be special procedures for sid. |
| 19:45.42 | petn-randall | maasha: Nothing much you can do except for verifying the fact in the logs. You can't check how dhclient got started anymore since you killed it. |
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| 19:45.48 | jhutchins | maasha: It could be the iDrac as well. |
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| 19:46.15 | maasha | jhutchins: how? |
| 19:46.20 | ruukasu | jhutchins, apt-get updated again and it magically fixed itself |
| 19:46.26 | jhutchins | maasha: You might be able to find out by running tcpdump on it, but it would need to be connected to the network. |
| 19:46.36 | maasha | jhutchins: catch 22 |
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| 19:46.57 | ruukasu | (reportbug) |
| 19:46.58 | jhutchins | maasha: The fact that their dhcp server allows that to happen is definitely a problem with their dhcp server, but good luck getting them to fix it. |
| 19:47.31 | jhutchins | maasha: Borrow a router that does dhcp. |
| 19:47.47 | maasha | jhutchins: iDRAC is configured to use a static IP and not DHCP, but maybe there is still something there. I was planning to reset it to factory defaults. |
| 19:48.22 | StecKman | I have an slightly outdated Debian Sid. when I try to reattach a running screen I get an 'Aborted' message. If I run it under strace, I find this message: Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 777. I checked the postinstall script and it specifically changes the perms to 775. I run debsums over the system and it looks ok. any hints? |
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| 19:48.54 | StecKman | will try to update the machine |
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| 19:49.45 | maasha | jhutchins: I can expect a minimum of support from the IT guys - so more than luck is needed. |
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| 19:50.01 | jhutchins | StecKman: Yeah, I'd start with that, then I'd check to see if setting that directory to 777 fixes it. If so, report bug. |
| 19:50.32 | unclezipper | Has anyone ever heard of a program called Pyrate? |
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| 19:51.25 | StecKman | jhutchins: I just notices there's a bug already reported (why didn't I check that before escapes me) |
| 19:52.25 | ruukasu | If a bug renders the package useless, but leaves the system unharmed, which severity should I put? (normal, important, grave) |
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| 19:53.24 | maasha | abrotman: petn-randall jhutchins Thanks guys. I will make sure dhcp client is disabled and I will reset iDRAC. |
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| 19:54.56 | jhutchins | maasha: Good luck. |
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| 20:00.41 | petn-randall | maasha: You're welcome :) |
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| 20:01.12 | pederindi | hi, how is done this diagram? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Videoteam |
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| 20:05.14 | mns | I have aptitude configured to not install reccomended packages. but for this one instance I would like to do so, how do I do that without modifying the existing configuration ? |
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| 20:08.18 | petn-randall | pederindi: Probably with inkscape, hard to say. |
| 20:08.29 | mns | never mind ..RTFM |
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| 20:09.28 | pederindi | petn-randall: thanks :/ |
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| 20:12.54 | ompaul | pederindi: the author of the diagram does point to editing it remotely using inkscape |
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| 20:18.15 | petn-randall | ompaul: He does? |
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| 20:20.25 | WilliamDotSI | can i reset a PCIe device without rebooting? or unload and reload the infiniband kernel module without causing issues? |
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| 20:20.34 | WilliamDotSI | (ib_core) |
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| 20:21.50 | petn-randall | WilliamDotSI: Probably not at all. Even if you could convince the kernel not to use it, you'd still have to convince the hardware to reset it. Unless it's hotpluggable you'll have to reboot. |
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| 20:22.05 | WilliamDotSI | well, technically PCIe is hotpluggable |
| 20:22.11 | WilliamDotSI | and im sure this card supports it |
| 20:22.18 | WilliamDotSI | i just cant go and pull it out |
| 20:22.25 | WilliamDotSI | and id like to avoid rebooting |
| 20:22.35 | WilliamDotSI | anyway, my main issue is that it shows up in lspci fine |
| 20:22.43 | WilliamDotSI | but loading the IPoIB module gives me no interfaces |
| 20:22.52 | WilliamDotSI | while a 1:1 exact the same system/SW next to it does |
| 20:23.22 | petn-randall | WilliamDotSI: So this is a server? |
| 20:23.40 | WilliamDotSI | yep |
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| 20:24.26 | ompaul | petn-randall: if you go to the wiki page for the diagram |
| 20:24.26 | WilliamDotSI | i compared versions, revs of the cards, its the same MB/RAM/SAS card/CPU config |
| 20:24.36 | WilliamDotSI | one works, one does not |
| 20:24.45 | WilliamDotSI | only difference is one boots grub and one EFI i think |
| 20:24.53 | ompaul | petn-randall: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/File:Network-debconf.png |
| 20:24.59 | WilliamDotSI | nah, both EFI |
| 20:25.19 | petn-randall | ompaul: Hmm, saw that, but where does it say inkscape? |
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| 20:26.20 | Rienzilla | What's wheezy's default kernel package on mips? |
| 20:26.28 | Rienzilla | I'm looking for its ,config |
| 20:26.48 | petn-randall | WilliamDotSI: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/73908/how-to-reset-cycle-power-to-a-pcie-device ... haven't tested it though, so YMMV. |
| 20:27.02 | ompaul | petn-randall: drop down to end |
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| 20:28.16 | ompaul | petn-randall: maybe I am misunderstanding something |
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| 20:28.35 | petn-randall | ompaul: I'm blind. I can see the file history and file usage, but you can only get the file as png, or am I missing something? |
| 20:28.39 | ompaul | https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:External_editors |
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| 20:29.06 | ompaul | petn-randall: I figure the inkscape was used and its output was pushed to network portable |
| 20:29.24 | ompaul | petn-randall: but I could be wrong asking on the talk page might be a better idea |
| 20:29.31 | ompaul | or asking the user on the wiki directly |
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| 20:36.55 | petn-randall | ompaul: Ah, ok. Was thinking I was going blind :). Point taken, asking on the user page might be the best idea. |
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| 20:39.37 | ompaul | petn-randall: that link to external editors is on that page |
| 20:39.58 | ompaul | I don't know if it is automatically exposed or not |
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| 20:52.53 | dashs | Opinion -- /etc on ssd or spinning media? |
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| 20:54.29 | joltcan | dashs: makes no difference really. It's just config files so its very tiny. |
| 20:54.52 | joltcan | dashs: but from a access point of view you probably wouldn't gain anything on having it on ssd |
| 20:54.54 | saivert | also not something that is accessed often |
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| 21:04.10 | petn-randall | dashs: putting /etc on a separate partition is very unusual. I'd put everything you can on SDD, and have a separate partition for "large" data. I'm assuming this is a desktop/laptop. |
| 21:05.50 | jhutchins | saivert: Actually, it's accessed a lot, just not by the user. |
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| 21:09.43 | DammitJim | I know how to get the PID of a program by using: ps aux | grep myprogram |
| 21:09.58 | DammitJim | is there a simpler way to just get the pid so I can invoke this in another command? |
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| 21:11.13 | bertrik | pidof ? |
| 21:11.44 | DammitJim | bertrik, thanks... I was just playing with that, but the problem is that this is a java program |
| 21:11.54 | chaispaquichui | pgrep ? |
| 21:12.00 | DammitJim | so, I do pidof java and it gives me like 5 pids |
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| 21:12.23 | DammitJim | so, I guess I'm going to need to do some grepping, huh? |
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| 21:12.55 | joltcan | DammitJim: can you grep on something more? like: ps aux|grep java | grep foobar | awk '{ print $2'} ? |
| 21:13.24 | DammitJim | joltcan, I can definitely do that, but I am trying to teach people in the office and I wanted to start with something simple for this first how to |
| 21:13.35 | DammitJim | that's fine, it'll have to wait |
| 21:13.51 | joltcan | DammitJim: Well, since you said java nothing is easy any more :P |
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| 21:14.06 | DammitJim | yes, sir! |
| 21:14.42 | joltcan | DammitJim: And the java stuff doesn't write it's pid to an actual file? |
| 21:14.49 | joltcan | DammitJim: Like /var/run/foo.pid? |
| 21:15.03 | DammitJim | joltcan, that's a good question. I need to look that up |
| 21:15.17 | DammitJim | it's just that when teaching this kind of stuff, you don't want to confuse them with too much stuff at the beginning |
| 21:15.31 | DammitJim | I think I'm going to let them just open the pid file in the application folder |
| 21:15.40 | DammitJim | and later on teach them how to grep and awk |
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| 21:16.05 | acecile | hi |
| 21:16.40 | acecile | I have two DVB-T sticks on a computer, same chipset (so same kernel module) |
| 21:16.47 | acecile | but one is aimed to be used as SDR |
| 21:17.01 | acecile | so I'd like this one to be ignored by the kernel module |
| 21:17.09 | acecile | (which is needed for the other one) |
| 21:17.11 | acecile | any pointer ? |
| 21:17.19 | acecile | I have no clue how I'm supposed to deal with this |
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| 21:21.41 | asterismo | hi guys |
| 21:22.00 | centrx | Ahoy |
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| 21:23.03 | asterismo | i'm looking for something small, say, less than 10in screen, x86 architecture and with keyboard, maybe something like the vaio P series (pocket) very lightweight, in where i can install debian... any ideas? |
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| 21:27.18 | trewas | asterismo: surface pro (or some other x86 tablet) maybe |
| 21:27.44 | asterismo | can debian be installed on it? |
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| 21:28.41 | trewas | yes, it's a normalish laptop hardware |
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| 21:29.18 | ShalokShalom | hi there |
| 21:29.38 | ShalokShalom | i run into troubles with a fresh installed debian kde sc |
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| 21:29.53 | asterismo | trewas, got the model number? is it available in amazon? |
| 21:30.12 | ShalokShalom | apper just show me the installed software, not a single one package is available to download it |
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| 21:31.20 | asterismo | trewas, surface pro ? the microsoft tablet? |
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| 21:31.58 | trewas | asterismo: yes, or the first one which should be cheap, if someone still has it |
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| 21:32.47 | ShalokShalom | updates work fine with apper |
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| 21:33.18 | trewas | asterismo: but better check google for experiences with linux, I have no personal experience running linux on it... it is the same hardware as most ultrabooks except for the touchscreen |
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| 21:34.15 | f-a | gents, I have downloaded and cp/sync Debian i386 CD 1, because I *don't* have network access. Still, third step of the installation, it asks me to configure my network. What should I do, just ignore it? |
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| 21:35.12 | drwahl | f-a: i'm not sure what the 'best practice' is, but you can provide bogus information and it should continue just fine |
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| 21:35.26 | asterismo | trewas, it is 800-900 buck tablet man |
| 21:35.47 | krababbel | f-a: I'd say yes, DHCP client will be default, and just unable to find an IP depending on the network. You could then disable the client if you really wanted to I guess. |
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| 21:36.24 | krababbel | trewas: It has been on sale in the US at least recently, apparently they got a lot of left over units. |
| 21:36.39 | f-a | thanks drwahl and krababbel . Don't ask me why but I can share wifi from a machine to trisquel but not from a machine to debian installer ('ad hoc' madness, I suppose). |
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| 21:37.48 | f-a | so plan is to install wicd or nm and see how it develops |
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| 21:38.44 | krababbel | f-a: I haven't used wifi on linux yet. Could be missing firmware, isn't there a special installer image with those included? |
| 21:39.54 | f-a | krababbel: using the FSF approved gluglug laptop. I read there is a lot of hackish stuff with 'ad-hoc' sharing |
| 21:40.20 | krababbel | f-a: I see |
| 21:40.32 | f-a | hence I hope nm-cli will save my day |
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| 21:42.58 | krababbel | f-a: I am not sure about the state of network-manager, but I think my colleague has used wicd successfully. |
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| 21:43.48 | f-a | very good, I am pretty sure they are both in CD1 so I will try wicd too |
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| 21:46.51 | mns | how is eval in a shell script supposed to work ? If I have script1.sh which is invoked using /bin/sh, and then script1 does an eval of script2 (which starts with #!/bin/bash), should eval run script2 with /bin/bash or /bin/sh ? Yes I know on linux they are the same. |
| 21:47.11 | mns | but thats not the case on other systems like AIX or Solaris or HPUX |
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| 21:47.54 | Griz|2 | Hello all |
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| 21:49.13 | ShalokShalom | apper just show me the installed software, not a single one package is available to download it |
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| 21:50.16 | frikinz | mns: how are they the same? on my (default?) debian /bin/sh points to /bin/dash |
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| 21:54.33 | mns | frikinz: on mine it is pointing to bash and that is the case on most linux distros, out of the box. |
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| 21:55.50 | frikinz | not mine which is out of the box |
| 21:56.00 | Arrowmaster | a lot are moving away from bash as sh i think |
| 21:57.06 | tengri | mns: are you sure? it generally points to /bin/dash. try using /bin/sh in your shell, you will definitely see a difference |
| 21:58.00 | mns | tengri: ls -l /bin/sh says /bin/sh -> /bin/bash. |
| 21:58.18 | ShalokShalom | can anybody help me please? |
| 21:58.20 | tengri | mns: you said bash tho |
| 21:58.32 | mns | I'm more interested in any idea about how eval work and which shell iut will call |
| 21:58.53 | mtn | ShalokShalom: what is your question? |
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| 21:59.20 | LordDeath | are there any publicly available statistics about kFreeBSD and Hurd installations? |
| 21:59.51 | f-a | LordDeath: mhh, could you use popcon? |
| 21:59.52 | jhutchins | !popcon |
| 21:59.52 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
| 21:59.54 | ShalokShalom | apper just show me the installed software, not a single one package is available to download it |
| 22:00.07 | mtn | ShalokShalom: I don't understand. what is the question? |
| 22:00.23 | ShalokShalom | i cant install new software |
| 22:00.44 | mtn | ShalokShalom: use synaptic or apt-get or aptitude from the command line. |
| 22:00.52 | ShalokShalom | i cant |
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| 22:01.12 | mtn | ShalokShalom: and how are we supposed to know why not? please explain if you want help. |
| 22:01.19 | ShalokShalom | it seem not to be an apper issue |
| 22:01.25 | tengri | ShalokShalom: please post the error message or sth |
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| 22:01.38 | mtn | ShalokShalom: apper has nothing to do with the apps I mentioned |
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| 22:01.50 | ShalokShalom | my english is buggy and i think, my german output wont help you |
| 22:01.57 | jhutchins | !de |
| 22:01.58 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 22:02.07 | jhutchins | !localised errors |
| 22:02.08 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
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| 22:15.02 | jhutchins | Well, that certainly killed the conversation. Sorry. |
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| 22:17.50 | mtn | yeh, way to go! |
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| 22:18.45 | centrx | !cheer |
| 22:18.46 | dpkg | shift to the left, unshift to the right, push down, pop up, byte byte byte. |
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| 22:25.00 | LordDeath | I noticed that synaptic in debian looks a little different than synaptic in ubuntu. did they use a fork or something? |
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| 22:25.50 | jhutchins | LordDeath: They are different packages. |
| 22:26.13 | jhutchins | LordDeath: So are the desktop environments. |
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| 22:27.29 | aso824 | Omg, does Intel driver from repository support only OpenGL 3.0 (by mesa)? There an option to use 4.0? I found on Intel site graphical driver installer, but for Ubuntu. I'm so confused now... |
| 22:27.43 | ShalokShalom | no answer in debian,de |
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| 22:28.07 | ShalokShalom | fresh install debian stable, no package managment |
| 22:28.24 | ShalokShalom | its a shame |
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| 22:28.40 | mtn | ShalokShalom: what error do you get? try to tell us. |
| 22:28.49 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: Obviously this isn't a common problem, or there'd be thousands of people screaming about it. |
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| 22:29.07 | mtn | so rare I have never heard of it ;) |
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| 22:29.23 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: The first thing to do is to check the command line tools to see if they report a senable error. |
| 22:29.39 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: WHich release? |
| 22:29.44 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 22:32.01 | sneck | Hey i've a question about encryption can sb help? |
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| 22:32.42 | f-a | sneck: shoot. Probably you want to join #gnupg too if it is about gpg |
| 22:33.31 | sneck | no its about normal luks dm-crypt encryption while the installation |
| 22:34.00 | f-a | then fire, someone oughta answe (I am running an installation right now xD) |
| 22:34.14 | sneck | i was just wondering why @ an ubuntu installation the encryption-process doesnt need any time while @ debian-installation the encryptionprocess needs hours and days? |
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| 22:35.23 | mtn | jhutchins: looks like you did it again. way too many questions :P |
| 22:35.27 | cafuego | Ubuntu uses NSA grade encryption. |
| 22:35.59 | FungiFox | cafuego: debian? |
| 22:36.09 | cafuego | does not |
| 22:36.12 | Grepnix | Is that a grade thats easily decrypted by them |
| 22:36.20 | FungiFox | why would the better encryption take less time? |
| 22:36.23 | cafuego | Grepnix: And thus fast. |
| 22:36.46 | cafuego | FungiFox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm |
| 22:36.55 | FungiFox | ohh, when you say NSA grade, you mean NSA vulnerable. |
| 22:37.02 | cafuego | ;-) |
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| 22:37.43 | ScottE | sneck: Is it just writing random data to the volume? You can turn that off at volumne creation (if you want), but I don't know if that's what you mean, or if ubuntu had it disabled by default |
| 22:37.51 | f-a | it's taking its sweet time here... I gue- what ScottE said |
| 22:38.08 | sneck | look, normaly when im installing debian encryptionprocess needs about 7-10 minutes a GB. Now i was installing ubuntu and it didnt even take one second for encrypting! is it encrypting in the backround? |
| 22:38.32 | Grepnix | Is it easy to encrypt your home folder after install...? What do I use? |
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| 22:38.47 | anto | I just set up Wheezy as my primary operating system. Now I have to get Wifi to work. Is desmg the command to check for missing firmware? |
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| 22:39.20 | Grepnix | anto: Did you check lspci... |
| 22:39.25 | frostschutz | f-a, the question is whether you wipe the whole disk or not (to get rid of old cleartext data on the disk). setting up the encryption container takes a second. wiping the disk takes hours. |
| 22:39.36 | frostschutz | sorry, for sneck: ^ |
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| 22:41.13 | Grepnix | Mongo44: Its dmesg anyhow, unless that was a typo.. |
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| 22:42.04 | f-a | indeed frostschutz, indeed |
| 22:42.39 | sneck | @frostschutz: ok so now the new content is ecrypted but the old is not wiped on the ubuntu? and the debian-install is wiping the old automaticaly? |
| 22:44.07 | ShalokShalom | jhutchins: I install debian 7.2 live kde sc on a pentium 4 with 1 gb RAM |
| 22:44.14 | FungiFox | if you guys "route -n" do you have a 169 address in there as well? |
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| 22:44.29 | ShalokShalom | i update via apper, which runs fine and cant install any apps |
| 22:44.59 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 22:44.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 22:45.12 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: post /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:45.34 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: First, try aptitude update as root in a terminal. |
| 22:45.35 | joshtek0 | i need help getting libfaac in squeeze |
| 22:46.07 | Mongo44 | Does dmesg install the missing firmware? |
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| 22:46.50 | ShalokShalom | http://paste.debian.net/80202/ |
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| 22:47.24 | Grepnix | Mongo44: Nope... you need to find out what it is and then install package. I had to connect to ethernet and then apt-get install iwlwifi |
| 22:47.56 | Grepnix | Mongo44: Then reboot and it works...bingo! |
| 22:48.15 | frikinz | udevadm trigger # no need to reboot |
| 22:48.21 | Griz|2 | That for a Broadcom Net card? |
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| 22:48.33 | ShalokShalom | E: Für Paket »gdebi« existiert kein Installationskandidat. (...no installation candidate |
| 22:48.39 | Griz|2 | I got it running without reboot |
| 22:48.59 | themill | !show sources.list ShalokShalom |
| 22:48.59 | dpkg | ShalokShalom: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 22:49.25 | frikinz | FungiFox: its probably zeroconf https://wiki.debian.org/ZeroConf |
| 22:49.26 | Grepnix | Griz|2: Modprobe? |
| 22:50.17 | Griz|2 | I have a Question about flash... In the despised windows I was playing a facebook game (so I was bored) now I am in Debian.. it looks like I need the latest flash... |
| 22:50.24 | Griz|2 | am I SOL? |
| 22:50.35 | Griz|2 | & ya I did do that modprobe thing |
| 22:50.45 | krababbel | FungiFox: 169 is reserved local link address I believe |
| 22:50.51 | Mongo44 | What do I do with the output of dmesg? |
| 22:50.57 | drwahl | Griz|2: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:51.12 | ShalokShalom | thenikk; same as my pastebin above |
| 22:51.13 | drwahl | Griz|2: you'll probably need contrib and/or non-free enabled |
| 22:51.24 | Griz|2 | will that install over the current flash |
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| 22:51.50 | drwahl | Griz|2: if you already have flash installed, it will be upgraded (assuming the package is newer) |
| 22:51.50 | mtn | Griz|2: if you have to have a newer version than the one installed that way, you will have to run chrome. |
| 22:51.58 | drwahl | Griz|2: if yo dou not have it installed, it will install the latest one in the repo |
| 22:51.59 | FungiFox | krababbel: i know you get a 169 ip on windows when you can't authenticate properly on a network. thats all i know about 169. |
| 22:52.08 | phy1729 | that's 169.254.0.0/16 |
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| 22:52.37 | Griz|2 | I have it installed... the game says I need a newer one & adobe site says that they have stopped upgrading Linux |
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| 22:52.52 | ShalokShalom | chrome |
| 22:53.03 | frikinz | APIPA. not authenticate, not getting an ip through dhcp |
| 22:53.06 | krababbel | FungiFox: As far as I know it's used when no other IP address is specified and no DCP |
| 22:53.09 | ShalokShalom | or try shumway on firefox :) |
| 22:53.20 | mtn | ShalokShalom: fix your sources.list. you got a message from the bot. |
| 22:53.33 | drwahl | Griz|2: what does the following command return: |
| 22:53.38 | Griz|2 | & I am on chrome |
| 22:53.41 | drwahl | dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:53.42 | dpkg | ii flashplugin-nonfree 2.5-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 22:53.51 | Griz|2 | well the debian ver of it |
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| 22:53.56 | drwahl | ugh... that was supposed to be on 1 line |
| 22:53.57 | drwahl | fails |
| 22:54.01 | ShalokShalom | ??? |
| 22:54.05 | FungiFox | krababbel: wonder if you can get a computer to join without a dhcp server using the error subnet mask and ip? |
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| 22:54.53 | themill | ShalokShalom: you don't have any mirrors in your sources.list. You need to edit and add the entries for wheezy and wheezy/updates. |
| 22:54.55 | krababbel | FungiFox: Depends on the program I guess. You could also just setup IPs statically. |
| 22:55.01 | themill | bah |
| 22:55.01 | Griz|2 | I have Ver 1:3.2 |
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| 22:55.11 | frikinz | lol |
| 22:55.37 | nmschulte | Griz|2: Are you using Google Chrome, or Chromium? |
| 22:55.39 | Mongo44 | I have run dmesg I just don't understand what to do with the output. |
| 22:55.45 | FungiFox | i know, i was just thinking it would be funny :P. or.... could make a vlan for that and put a redirect to a .html page that says "you are networking incorrectly" |
| 22:56.02 | drwahl | Griz|2: and what does 'apt-cache show flashplugin-nonfree | grep Version' return? |
| 22:56.03 | nmschulte | Griz|2: If you're using Google Chrome, it comes with Google's Flash out of the box. |
| 22:56.10 | FungiFox | that way, any computer with a error ip would have instructions :P |
| 22:56.43 | nmschulte | drwahl: might want to consider pepperflashplugin-nonfree if he's on Chromium (available in wheezy-backports). |
| 22:56.44 | krababbel | FungiFox: It's kind of hidden, yes. |
| 22:57.12 | drwahl | nmschulte: i wasn't aware of that package. thanks for sharing! |
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| 22:59.41 | Mongo44 | Network does recognize the wireless signal. I just can't join it. |
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| 23:01.54 | Mongo44 | Should I pastebin dmesg? |
| 23:02.14 | Grepnix | Mongo44: You can scan for wifi? |
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| 23:02.28 | Mongo44 | That is correct. |
| 23:02.44 | Grepnix | Mongo44: Suggests the firmware is ok...? |
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| 23:03.31 | Mongo44 | I am pretty sure I am using the right password. If I wasn't I would be informed that it is incorrect. |
| 23:03.55 | Grepnix | what does lspci give for your firmware? |
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| 23:05.12 | Mongo44 | I guess I could pastebin it what is the command to install pastebin? |
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| 23:06.39 | frikinz | Do you use network manager? |
| 23:06.39 | Grepnix | try lspci | grep -i wireless |
| 23:06.41 | ectospasm | I'm having trouble with grub-install to a USB thumbdrive. It keeps saying "Path `/mnt/usb/boot/grub' is not readable by GRUB on boot. Installation is impossible. Aborting. |
| 23:06.51 | ectospasm | " |
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| 23:08.54 | nimbiotics | hello all. I was copying and pasting some commands into the CLI and now I got error: "E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:2: Extra junk after value" when I try apt-get update ... I'm afraid I might have overwritten the list of packages... Pleas help me fix this TIA! |
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| 23:09.32 | themill | nimbiotics: perhaps you could pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 23:10.44 | nimbiotics | themill: http://pastebin.com/VwLL0vsB |
| 23:11.20 | nimbiotics | themill: is there a backup to this file? |
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| 23:12.19 | themill | nimbiotics: not unless you made one. You an just delete the first two lines |
| 23:13.48 | Mongo44 | 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [Condor Peak] |
| 23:14.12 | Grepnix | yeah apt-get install iwlwifi should do it |
| 23:14.16 | nimbiotics | themill: Thanks! it worked ... I'm breathing again |
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| 23:14.54 | themill | Grepnix: if there were such a package that would help... |
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| 23:15.43 | Grepnix | you have to add contrib non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:16.35 | nkuttler | Mongo44: it's firmware-iwlwifi |
| 23:16.53 | Grepnix | nkuttler: Oops... you are right... |
| 23:18.03 | Mongo44 | I think I already added that one when I set up the OS. |
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| 23:18.47 | Grepnix | Mongo44: Then it should work :-\ |
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| 23:20.09 | Grepnix | Mongo44: modprobe iwlwifi |
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| 23:20.52 | aso824 | or modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi |
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| 23:27.08 | nutron | Without starting any s**t, where is the systemd/upstart debate at? Has one been decided? |
| 23:27.22 | nutron | That's all I want to know =) |
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| 23:27.58 | mtn | nutron: has not been decided |
| 23:28.20 | anto | What VMware is available for Wheezy? |
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| 23:29.55 | themill | Mongo44: #vmware might know |
| 23:30.16 | Mongo44 | Thank you. |
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| 23:33.24 | Grepnix | Mongo44: Is it working? |
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| 23:34.38 | Mongo44 | Yeah I guess I just had the wrong password. |
| 23:35.52 | Grepnix | after all that.... lmao |
| 23:36.01 | WilliamDotSI | any way to secure erase an SSD (or something like that) to reset blocks etc.? |
| 23:36.15 | WilliamDotSI | to get best performance out a previous used one, besides alignment |
| 23:36.53 | Mongo44 | Say I still have missing firmware. How would I know what I need? |
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| 23:39.18 | frikinz | WilliamDotSI: there's this: https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization |
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| 23:39.39 | ron-slc_ | http://slashdot.org/submission/3316063/hewlett-packard-turns-buggy-software-and-firmware-into-a-revenue-stream |
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| 23:40.05 | nathanael | good morning everyone, is there a BPA for Debian? |
| 23:40.29 | nutron | mtn: thanks |
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| 23:43.41 | Mongo44 | I am still looking for Virtual machine software. I want to use a VM for surfing the internet. |
| 23:44.27 | smw | Hi guys, anyone know how to debug 802.11n not working in Wheezy? I have an Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230 (rev c4) and my wireless was recently switched to 5GHz. Now I can't see it while others are able to use it fine. |
| 23:44.36 | digdilem | Mongo44, virtualbox is the easiest |
| 23:44.44 | Grepnix | Mongo44: Just install vurtualbox |
| 23:44.54 | Grepnix | virtualbox even? |
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| 23:51.45 | Mongo44 | Wheezy doesn't seem to have Virtualbox. |
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| 23:52.09 | themill | ,v virtualbox |
| 23:52.10 | judd | Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.2.16-dfsg-3~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.2-dfsg-1+b1; sid/contrib: 4.3.2-dfsg-1+b1 |
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| 23:53.34 | Mongo44 | I don't see it in Synaptic. |
| 23:54.24 | themill | Mongo44: perhaps you could pastebin: "apt-cache policy virtualbox; apt-cache policy" |
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| 23:58.51 | jhutchins | smw: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 23:59.07 | Mongo44 | http://paste.debian.net/80205/ |
| 23:59.32 | jhutchins | Mongo44: Do you have contrib enabled? |
| 23:59.34 | smw | jhutchins, I already have that installed. I found the answer.https://communities.intel.com/thread/44699 |
| 23:59.52 | smw | jhutchins, "keep in mind this adapter is single band, meaning 2.4 GHz only, but it connects to 802.11n" |
