| 00:00.15 | abrotman | because it's on OFTC |
| 00:00.30 | storge | i can't seem to join OFTC. curious why it's not on freenode |
| 00:00.31 | nvteighen | This is not Jabber/XMPP :P |
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| 00:00.51 | storge | it's just hung at 'connecting to irc.oftc.net' why did they choose oftc for the channel? |
| 00:01.13 | petn-randall | storge: I'm connected to it right now, must be a problem with your IRC client ... |
| 00:01.21 | babilen | storge: Because most official Debian channels are on OFTC rather than Freenode. See "/msg dpkg oftc move" for some background information. either way the channel is there and you should join it! :) |
| 00:01.35 | storge | babilen: i'm trying :) |
| 00:01.41 | babilen | I know :D |
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| 00:04.19 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 00:05.31 | storge | sucks, i always have this problem with oftc for some reason. i can paste their server right in from their webpage and it times out. |
| 00:05.37 | nvteighen | bye! |
| 00:05.39 | storge | weechat and irssi |
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| 00:07.22 | Kirito | petn-randall, Okay well I don't think the issue is even related to glibc |
| 00:07.25 | Kirito | But MariaDB |
| 00:07.42 | Kirito | Because, for some reason, Dovecot and Postfix have found reasons to care about what version of MariaDB I'm running |
| 00:07.51 | Kirito | Even though there's no logical reason it should give any shits |
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| 00:08.16 | petn-randall | Kirito: You tried to upgrad glibc on server? Why did you need a newer version? |
| 00:08.45 | petn-randall | I'm asking because most of the time it's gamers trying to install steam on their desktop. |
| 00:08.52 | Kirito | Web server module I was installing wasn't supported in the current version, it's not worth the hassle now though, I don't care about that. |
| 00:09.06 | petn-randall | Kirito: I see. |
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| 00:10.17 | Kirito | I really just want to get the mail server back running again so I can take a vacation and not touch anything for a while. I seriously do not understand why me upgrading MariaDB would break that, and #dovecot hasn't responded n the last half hour |
| 00:10.24 | storge | is it possible that oftc blocks certain domains? i have two laptops and two different clients timing out on connecting to oftc (to get to #debian-next) |
| 00:10.32 | storge | is it not possible to get some assistance here? |
| 00:11.49 | petn-randall | Kirito: If you made sure to remove any repos that aren't wheezy from your sources.list and ran 'apt-get update', you can check for packages not belonging there with: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 00:11.56 | themill | storge: you need people who are using systemd with debian -- you're more likely to find them in #debian-next |
| 00:12.10 | petn-randall | storge: http://www.oftc.net/ |
| 00:12.13 | storge | ok |
| 00:12.17 | Kirito | petn-randall, It's not because I'm using an unstable package, I'm installing and managing mariadb from their own repos as I have for years |
| 00:12.28 | Kirito | I just recently upgraded to MariaDB 10.0.7 |
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| 00:12.39 | Kirito | And now Dovecot nor Postfix will associate with the MySQL server |
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| 00:12.47 | storge | petn-randall: thank you, all those ports they mention are the ones i've tried. every ipv4 one has timed out for me. =/ |
| 00:13.13 | themill | storge: that said... you're just trying to purge this package and you should be able to do that. |
| 00:13.16 | petn-randall | Kirito: I see. Can't help you with that. Don't have any experience with MariaDB, sorry. |
| 00:13.31 | storge | themill: i can't purge it for some reason, i get the same error as i linked |
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| 00:13.54 | petn-randall | storge: Can you ping irc.oftc.net? |
| 00:14.08 | storge | petn-randall: yes, they all return, 100% |
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| 00:14.30 | storge | >sigh< |
| 00:14.41 | petn-randall | storge: Use the webclient then. |
| 00:15.11 | storge | petn-randall: i forgot, thank you |
| 00:15.15 | Kirito | petn-randall, It's fine, thanks for the help >_> |
| 00:15.30 | petn-randall | Kirito: You're welcome. |
| 00:16.34 | themill | storge: you need to disable the maintainer's prerm script by the looks of things |
| 00:16.54 | themill | dpkg: tell storge about prerm |
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| 00:18.05 | Jolt2bolt | by the way read there is a way to get some updated packages of some programs though apt |
| 00:18.16 | Jolt2bolt | somebody know the way to get that? |
| 00:18.28 | Jolt2bolt | I'm using whezzy of course |
| 00:19.03 | Dry_Lips | Say that you have a deb for debian, but for some reason you're not sure if it's packaged for wheezy or squeeze... Is it possible to determine what version it is built for? |
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| 00:20.37 | Nik05 | Jolt2bolt you mean backports? |
| 00:20.54 | Jolt2bolt | that... |
| 00:22.18 | Jolt2bolt | sorry, i've never used the debian distro before |
| 00:22.36 | Jolt2bolt | so i'm really confused with the apt sistem |
| 00:23.02 | Jolt2bolt | i know there is a list for the package manager of debian |
| 00:23.29 | babilen | Jolt2bolt: Which program do you want to upgrade to which version? |
| 00:23.55 | Jolt2bolt | libreoffice to the version 4.1 |
| 00:24.27 | babilen | Jolt2bolt: It really depends, assuming a correctly configured /etc/apt/sources.list you'll naturally get upgrades, newer versions might be packaged in wheezy-backports or in external repos such as http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 00:24.35 | babilen | jubo2: v libreoffice |
| 00:24.44 | babilen | judd: v libreoffice |
| 00:24.46 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:4.1.4-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.1.4-2+b1; sid: 1:4.1.4-2+b1 |
| 00:24.51 | judd | points at babilen and laughs |
| 00:24.51 | babilen | jubo2: sorry |
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| 00:25.38 | babilen | Jolt2bolt: Yeah, you can install that from <wheezy-backports> (/msg dpkg wheezy-backports) -- Read and follow http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 00:25.51 | Jolt2bolt | ok thanks |
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| 00:26.09 | babilen | np |
| 00:26.20 | Jolt2bolt | i wish debian could get a amazing wiki like archlinux!:P |
| 00:26.43 | Jolt2bolt | go it thanks for the help |
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| 00:27.23 | Jolt2bolt | I was using manjaro but I need someone more stable for an old that i'm gonna use like a office PC |
| 00:27.32 | Jolt2bolt | an old PC* |
| 00:28.39 | Jolt2bolt | and a i know how stable debian can be, but i don't know very well the how is organized debian some stuff is diferrent fron manjaro!:P |
| 00:28.45 | Jolt2bolt | I like it antway |
| 00:28.59 | babilen | Jolt2bolt: Read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ |
| 00:30.15 | Jolt2bolt | wow that' is what i was looking for |
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| 00:31.49 | naxa | another noob question. is it a bad idea to change the hostname of my production machine? the hostname is "server1". it uses a different domain name obviously, and virtual hosting/name-based. |
| 00:32.13 | naxa | there is nginx, php, webapps like wordpress, etc. on it :) |
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| 00:39.42 | aem` | http://giveaways.bundlestars.com/ |
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| 00:54.22 | akp | hello, is mod_policy available for apache under debian? i dont see it under a2enmod |
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| 00:59.19 | mcurran | Is anyone else experiencing a constant 99% processor usage with gnome and nouveau? |
| 00:59.40 | themill | akp: isn't that only available from 2.5 onwards? |
| 01:00.20 | akp | themill: seems to be on my 2.2.22 install. |
| 01:00.30 | akp | which might explain part of my problems |
| 01:00.35 | mcurran | why would debian have a linux-image as a dependency to gcc? |
| 01:00.46 | akp | is there away to get 2.5 on into my install |
| 01:01.09 | themill | akp: 2.5 hasn't even been released yet |
| 01:01.42 | themill | mcurran: it doesn't |
| 01:01.45 | mcurran | is there a way to remove some gnome packages without removing my whole desktop, a way to remove a package that's part of a metapackage with force option or something without removing the others |
| 01:03.56 | mcurran | ah, I see, it was dependent on a kbuild package I had installed and forgot to remove, thanks themill. I still would like to be able to remove iceweasel without all of gnome shell being removed. that's strange because in lmde i could remove firefox and libreoffice without having to remove gnome-shell |
| 01:05.21 | themill | There's no dependency of gnome-shell on iceweasel |
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| 01:12.09 | anonnumberanon | How do I change my clock? It's wrong. |
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| 01:13.38 | dvs | anonnumberanon: How much off is it? |
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| 01:14.57 | anonnumberanon | dvs exactly by one hour |
| 01:15.06 | anonnumberanon | (ahead) |
| 01:15.20 | anonnumberanon | (after actual time) |
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| 01:15.52 | dvs | anonnumberanon: and what time zone are you in? |
| 01:16.47 | anonnumberanon | Eastern American timezone dvs. It is UTC minus five hours. |
| 01:17.13 | dvs | anonnumberanon: Oh, so it's on DST? |
| 01:18.58 | anonnumberanon | It looks like it is on DST. |
| 01:19.21 | anonnumberanon | But the date on my calendar is absolutely correct. |
| 01:19.28 | babilen | anonnumberanon: Is the correct timezone selected if you run "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" ? |
| 01:19.51 | babilen | anonnumberanon: What does "date" give you? |
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| 01:20.50 | anonnumberanon | babilen date gives me the same symptoms as I get in my clock display. |
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| 01:21.50 | babilen | anonnumberanon: yes, but does it show the expected timezone? |
| 01:22.38 | anonnumberanon | it shows the wrong time |
| 01:22.42 | babilen | anonnumberanon: The question is: Do you have the correct time, but it is simply shown in the wrong timezone (it is almost half two here, just because it is not in your place doesn't render it incorrectly) |
| 01:22.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell anonnumberanon about set time |
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| 01:22.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell anonnumberanon about ntp |
| 01:23.10 | babilen | anonnumberanon: Please also make sure that the correct timezone is selected |
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| 01:23.36 | anonnumberanon | so just run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and go from there? |
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| 01:23.56 | dvs | anonnumberanon: to make sure you have the right time zone, ye.s |
| 01:25.02 | anonnumberanon | Okay so I am in the right timezone, however my clock is wrong. |
| 01:25.15 | anonnumberanon | Maybe I should set it to the right time then. |
| 01:25.47 | dvs | anonnumberanon: In the BIOS? yes. |
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| 01:26.23 | anonnumberanon | dvs in the bios I am not sure how it is set, I will restart and check |
| 01:27.03 | anonnumberanon | I'd like to be able to get it from a mounted system, though. Is that possible? |
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| 01:27.49 | anonnumberanon | I mean I want to check the bios time from within my OS can I do that? |
| 01:27.51 | dvs | anonnumberanon: Yes, hwclock -r |
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| 01:29.17 | anonnumberanon | Bios clock is wrong then. |
| 01:31.05 | anonnumberanon | Can I change my motherboard's time from my OS or no? |
| 01:31.40 | dvs | anonnumberanon: it would be easier to do it in the BIOS |
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| 01:31.59 | anonnumberanon | ok sad restart happening lol |
| 01:32.29 | mcurran | If you change your mobo's time, the OS should update, unless it's on network time |
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| 01:33.08 | zeeflo | can someone help me take at look at this bash script: http://paste.debian.net/80380/ and tell my why it wont invoke? |
| 01:34.08 | dvs | zeeflo: Dont put a space between # and /bin/sh ? |
| 01:34.22 | dvs | I mean ! |
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| 01:34.55 | zeeflo | invoke-rc.d: initscript php5-fcgi, action "start" failed. |
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| 01:35.41 | zeeflo | bash check says everything looks fine.. |
| 01:35.54 | anonnumberanon | Operation successful T.Hanks babilen , dvs , Debian |
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| 01:37.07 | abrotman | zeeflo: you would need the log files .. |
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| 01:38.44 | zeeflo | in which of the log files would it be written? |
| 01:40.28 | zeeflo | theres no logs for this.. |
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| 01:41.40 | themill | zeeflo: put "set -x" up near the top of the script so you at least know where it gets up to |
| 01:41.41 | abrotman | there are not logs for starting your web server/ |
| 01:41.42 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:42.00 | zeeflo | of course.. |
| 01:42.02 | abrotman | eh, not a webserver |
| 01:42.17 | abrotman | your daemon should log .. |
| 01:42.18 | zeeflo | but restarting nginx wont automatically spawn fgci |
| 01:42.27 | zeeflo | atleast i dont suppose so |
| 01:42.50 | zeeflo | it doesnt. |
| 01:43.17 | zeeflo | action "start" failed. |
| 01:43.38 | zeeflo | so theres gotta be something in the start section, that the debian doesnt like |
| 01:43.44 | zeeflo | i just cant figure out what.. |
| 01:44.59 | zeeflo | spawn-fcgi: no FastCGI application given |
| 01:45.08 | zeeflo | and thats bullcrap.. |
| 01:45.16 | zeeflo | its clearly stated. |
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| 01:46.27 | abrotman | themill gave you a hint how to debug it |
| 01:46.34 | zeeflo | ah |
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| 01:47.43 | axisys_ | anything wrong with this syntax? |
| 01:47.44 | axisys_ | raid /boot --level=1 --device=md0 --fstype=ext2 raid.01 raid.03 |
| 01:48.05 | axisys_ | getting this error .. getopt unrecognized option --fstype=ext2 |
| 01:48.26 | zeeflo | does this say anything to you guys? http://paste.debian.net/80382/ |
| 01:48.55 | centrx | It speaks to my heart |
| 01:49.14 | centrx | It says to me "PHP is an abomination and a scourge on the face of the earth" |
| 01:51.26 | abrotman | zeeflo: no applciation given |
| 01:51.41 | zeeflo | it is given.... |
| 01:51.49 | zeeflo | its in the invoke script.. |
| 01:51.52 | binary1985 | anyone a bind guru, not getting much help in the bind channel, people must be sleeping |
| 01:52.16 | abrotman | #dns or #bind you tried? |
| 01:52.22 | binary1985 | tried bind, will try dns |
| 01:52.47 | binary1985 | ty |
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| 01:53.33 | zeeflo | DAEMON_ARGS=-s /var/run/php5-fcgi.sock -M 0600 -u www-data -U www-data -P /var/run/php5-fcgi.pid -- /usr/bin/php5-cgi |
| 01:53.47 | zeeflo | and /usr/bin/php5-cgi is there.. |
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| 01:54.13 | themill | I wonder how s-s-d handles two lots of -- on the command line |
| 01:54.28 | abrotman | right .. |
| 01:54.41 | zeeflo | where? |
| 01:54.55 | themill | zeeflo: look at your paste |
| 01:55.06 | zeeflo | this script works in debian squeeze.. |
| 01:55.09 | zeeflo | I dont get it.. |
| 01:55.44 | zeeflo | so it cant handle the double - in /var/run/php5-fcgi.pid -- /usr/bin/php5-cgi ? |
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| 01:56.40 | themill | nfc |
| 01:57.15 | zeeflo | can you be more precise themill ? |
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| 01:57.36 | themill | no |
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| 01:57.58 | zeeflo | can you tell me which double - youre referring to? |
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| 01:58.41 | themill | line 44 of your paste |
| 01:58.56 | zeeflo | -- -s |
| 01:59.16 | zeeflo | how can that look any different? |
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| 01:59.44 | abrotman | suspects zeeflo doesn't understand the implication of -- |
| 01:59.51 | zeeflo | i do |
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| 02:00.30 | zeeflo | it separating, and then invoking -s "command" |
| 02:00.38 | zeeflo | i dont see how else to define that |
| 02:01.12 | zeeflo | blabalbla daemon -- -s blablalba application |
| 02:02.48 | themill | and precisely how is it going to be have when you have "-- foo -- bar"? I don't want to read the code to find out and it's not documented. It *should* do what you want... probably. |
| 02:03.01 | abrotman | maybe .. |
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| 02:03.29 | zeeflo | there is no -- foo |
| 02:03.33 | zeeflo | there is just -- |
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| 02:03.50 | themill | zeeflo: perhaps you should look at line 44 of your paste more carefully |
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| 02:06.05 | zeeflo | start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON -- \ "$DAEMON_ARGS" blabla and damon args is -s $FCGI balbla |
| 02:06.31 | themill | (not line 44) |
| 02:06.49 | zeeflo | that is what is in the script, causing line 44 |
| 02:06.53 | zeeflo | http://paste.debian.net/80380 |
| 02:07.02 | zeeflo | line 35 |
| 02:07.10 | themill | I've run out of ways of expressing this. |
| 02:07.23 | zeeflo | no you havent actually.. |
| 02:07.43 | zeeflo | If you know what to do , to correct it, it would be an option to clarify it |
| 02:08.04 | zeeflo | youve said : look closely at line 44, and thats about it |
| 02:08.15 | zeeflo | I am now telling you, I dont see whats wrong with line 44.. |
| 02:08.33 | zeeflo | Neither does shell check |
| 02:08.48 | themill | Precisely what is start-stop-daemon going to do with the two -- in that line? |
| 02:08.57 | themill | I don't know; you need to find out. |
| 02:09.00 | zeeflo | skip to -s |
| 02:09.10 | themill | You know that for sure? Great. |
| 02:09.20 | zeeflo | IF I AM WRONG; THEN TELL ME FFS.. |
| 02:09.23 | zeeflo | JEEESUS |
| 02:09.29 | themill | [13:08] <themill> I don't know; you need to find out. |
| 02:10.01 | themill | It may be hard to envisage, but there are actually things about debian I don't know ... |
| 02:10.20 | SirLagz | themill: No...Really ?!?! |
| 02:10.38 | zeeflo | i thought you was just pushing me around to make me "realise it".. or some horsecrap like that |
| 02:10.44 | themill | zeeflo: both abrotman and I find the two -- suspicious. We don't know how s-s-d will parse that command line. |
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| 02:11.22 | zeeflo | well.. I just dont think I can go from --exec $DAEMON to -s |
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| 02:11.26 | zeeflo | i can try |
| 02:11.29 | themill | A few things have changed in s-s-d between squeeze and wheezy; I imagine a lot of things could have changed with your fast cgi thing |
| 02:11.34 | Tramp | It seems to be fine. I tested it with a shell-script which does just printf '>%s<\n' "$@" and I got |
| 02:11.38 | Tramp | >-s< >/var/run/php5-fcgi.sock< >-M< >0600< >-u< >www-data< >-U< >www-data< >-P< >/var/run/php5-fcgi.pid< >--< >/usr/bin/php5-cgi< |
| 02:11.50 | Tramp | so start-stop-daemon seems to do the Right Thing |
| 02:11.50 | themill | thanks, Tramp |
| 02:11.54 | zeeflo | well.. wheezy wont run the damn thing |
| 02:12.00 | themill | yay s-s-d! |
| 02:12.17 | themill | (s-s-d and it's horrible syntax is one of the reasons things like upstart and systemd exist) |
| 02:12.45 | zeeflo | ive ran that script through shellscript.net like i usually do.. |
| 02:12.50 | zeeflo | and everything checks out fine.. |
| 02:13.03 | zeeflo | im baffled right about now.. |
| 02:13.12 | Tramp | zeeflo: (1) is you start spawn-fcgi with the parameters as given - does it work? (2) according to the manpage there is a deprecated "-f" option - does it work with that? |
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| 02:14.26 | zeeflo | let me try |
| 02:14.48 | zeeflo | permission denied to the socket? whaaaa the hell? |
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| 02:18.00 | zeeflo | i cant figure this out.. |
| 02:18.03 | zeeflo | im lost |
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| 02:18.55 | Tramp | well, you could answer my 2 questons unless somebody has a better idea or gives you the feeling s/he could help you better |
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| 02:19.42 | thaicares | So the last time my wifi went down it almost seemed to be triggered by iceweasel!!! I just started iceweasel up after restart though and my wifi is working :D |
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| 02:20.23 | thaicares | I checked a few things in terminal all of them returned "wlan0 doesn't exist" or something of that nature! |
| 02:21.01 | f-a | hello. I cp'd; sync an iso to a usb stick. Now I am on another pc. What is the way to 'clone' the usb stick to an .iso? (if there is) |
| 02:21.51 | zeeflo | Tramp, I cant answer that, cause I cannot invoke the command, since I suddenly dont have acces to the socket |
| 02:22.12 | zeeflo | im not getting any complaints about -f though |
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| 02:22.45 | zeeflo | and It did run, after installation. Then I did a service stop.. Now it just wont fire up again.. |
| 02:23.17 | zeeflo | so it has worked.. ps showed me the php5-fcgi processes after I installed it.. |
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| 02:24.39 | thaicares | StupidWeasel_ can IceWeasel turn off my wifi? |
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| 02:25.59 | thaicares | and make it where I can't connect with my wifi module at all? almost like the wifi doesn't exist! |
| 02:26.23 | thaicares | well actually it is currently working just fine... I'm using it but it does go out sometimes :/ |
| 02:26.43 | thaicares | restart has been the only thing that can fix it sooo far! |
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| 02:27.18 | SirLagz | thaicares: no, iceweasel cannot do that |
| 02:27.33 | factor | How Do I get a Displaylink usb monitor to work on Linux? |
| 02:28.08 | thaicares | SirLagz I didn't think soo... it was probably just a misshap they occured at about the same time... |
| 02:28.20 | SirLagz | thaicares: yep |
| 02:28.29 | thaicares | could it just be from overheating? the laptop can get pretty toasty! |
| 02:28.55 | SirLagz | thaicares: very possible |
| 02:30.50 | thaicares | SirLagz so it gets hot and the hardware for my wireless disconnects? THAT SUCKS!!!! |
| 02:31.09 | FungiFox | how many gb are the first 3 dvd's? |
| 02:31.48 | SirLagz | thaicares: possible...dunno though. how old is your laptop ? |
| 02:32.07 | thaicares | SirLagz a 2009-2010 |
| 02:32.21 | SirLagz | thaicares: does anything show up in dmesg when it dies ? |
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| 02:34.14 | thaicares | well the wireless is the only thing that goes out... and I haven't checked dmesg after that occurs! Just check wifi try to switch it back on (fail) and restart the computer! |
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| 02:38.25 | thaicares | or SHOULD |
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| 02:39.48 | thaicares | SirLagz you know what! This was owned by a smoker and it is probably dirty inside.... I guess I have to clean :/ |
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| 02:54.10 | indieross | i use a few packages from the experimental repo, is there a way to have those packages auto update with the experimental releases |
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| 03:00.21 | zeeflo | i got it solved. |
| 03:00.22 | zeeflo | almost. |
| 03:00.39 | zeeflo | Now I cant start the process, because it cannot bind to socket. |
| 03:00.53 | zeeflo | [error] 12318#0: *1 connect() to unix:/var/run/php5-fcgi.sock failed (111: Connection refused) |
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| 03:01.21 | zeeflo | should I touch the php5-fcgi.sock and chown it to www-data ? |
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| 03:04.03 | Tramp | zeeflo: I think it's created by the application. So I'd simply remove it |
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| 03:04.33 | zeeflo | Yea, that was my initial thought too.. But the socket is not created by the application.. |
| 03:05.08 | Tramp | so who creates it? |
| 03:05.36 | abrotman | All things are created by FSM |
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| 03:06.24 | Tramp | good to know |
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| 03:07.06 | zeeflo | in the modified bash script, there is this: FCGI_SOCKET=/var/run/php5-fcgi.sock |
| 03:07.13 | zeeflo | but its not created.. |
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| 03:42.50 | neo1691 | Hello everyone. I am trying to get a folder shared between two debian computers connected in a network. But I am not able to. Can somebody please guide me? |
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| 03:44.55 | centrx | neo1691, What have you tried |
| 03:45.39 | abrotman | votes for sshfs |
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| 03:47.16 | neo1691 | centrx, I have tried smb:// protocol in nautilus |
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| 03:54.36 | paperdigits | clear |
| 03:56.52 | abrotman | At least he got one command to work for him .. :) |
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| 03:58.45 | neo1691 | Nope, none working for me |
| 03:59.38 | LtL | neo1691: is portmap running, pretty sure its needed |
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| 04:00.58 | neo1691 | LtL, ps aux doesn't have portmap |
| 04:04.57 | LtL | neo1691: run, aptitude why portmap may give some insight. i don't know what protocol youre using. sshfs sounds like a better idea. |
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| 04:17.18 | LtL | definetly not |
| 04:17.24 | LtL | oops |
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| 04:22.58 | gege-- | I'm trying to build hexchat from source since it's not in the repository... yet xchat is... |
| 04:23.06 | gege-- | I get the message checking for GLIB - version >= 2.28.0... no |
| 04:23.15 | unclezipper | I'm having some issues getting Filezilla to connect to a vsftpd server with TLS. Can anyone help? |
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| 04:39.05 | hfp | Hi, I am having an issue with ufw on an OpenVZ VPS. If I enable ufw, then the system resolves hostnames to IPV6 hosts and the connections to these hosts slow down to a crawl. If I disable ufw, it resolves using IPV4 addresses and everything works fine. What gives? |
| 04:39.47 | mcurran | nice, just to let you all know, i finally got nvidia 331.38 working on kernel 3.14 and no more leaking processes with gnome-shell |
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| 04:40.24 | l3lu3 | mcurran: good to hear you got it sorted |
| 04:40.59 | mcurran | thanks |
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| 04:41.13 | mcurran | strange the nouveau driver caused so much CPU usage |
| 04:42.13 | l3lu3 | i've had similiar issues too. amazing what can happen when there's a driver conflict |
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| 04:47.24 | _FBi | hfp, hello |
| 04:47.38 | hfp | _FBi: hello |
| 04:48.09 | _FBi | I had a slow network speed and they said it was because it had somehting to do with IO settings |
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| 04:48.58 | _FBi | once that was changed my speed went from 30MB to 90MB |
| 04:49.06 | _FBi | I guess my VM wasn't fast enough |
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| 04:49.17 | _FBi | That was KVM, not OpenVZ though |
| 04:49.34 | hfp | _FBi: OpenVZ is a whole different world of PITA :( |
| 04:49.50 | _FBi | as for DNS, do you use resolvconf ? |
| 04:49.52 | hfp | I only have this VPS on OpenVZ because I need a cheap OpenVPN and can't afford a KVM |
| 04:50.17 | _FBi | hfp, what's your price range, and needs? |
| 04:50.24 | _FBi | I shop around a lot |
| 04:51.09 | hfp | I am looking for a VPS to act solely as a VPN server capable of handling 50 mbits/sec, preferably on the US East Coast |
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| 04:51.27 | hfp | Budget is as low as possible. Ideally around 12-15$ a year |
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| 04:51.49 | _FBi | unlimited? |
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| 04:51.58 | hfp | Doesn't have to be |
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| 04:53.02 | buu | 50mbit vps for $1 a month? |
| 04:53.04 | buu | Sign me up |
| 04:53.07 | _FBi | ^ |
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| 04:53.35 | hfp | the ramnode I have now does around 40 mbits but it's OpenVZ and it's a pain |
| 04:53.55 | _FBi | hfp, I'm with RamNode as well. I also subscribe to a very cheap vps in the States |
| 04:54.02 | hfp | I know I'm asking for a lot for that price so I guess I'm stuck with OpenVZ |
| 04:54.47 | _FBi | probably |
| 04:54.58 | _FBi | what are you using the VPN for? |
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| 04:55.19 | _FBi | OpenVZ has a few limiting security features |
| 04:55.22 | hfp | Connecting over public Wifis when I'm not home |
| 04:55.47 | _FBi | yea, good idea |
| 04:56.00 | _FBi | hopefully OpenVPN ;) |
| 04:56.07 | hfp | Yes |
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| 04:56.36 | hfp | I had it running on a KVM VPS before, it was great but I use it so little that it doesn't justify the monthly cost of a KVM VPS |
| 04:57.11 | _FBi | connecting to irc ;) |
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| 05:03.55 | adm10809 | i'm having webcam trouble and haven't been able to solve it on my own the past few days. can someone give me a hand? the light turns on but no picture |
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| 05:09.17 | joj | adm10809: what do you use when trying to obtain a picture? |
| 05:10.49 | adm10809 | camorama, but i've tried vlc too |
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| 05:11.34 | Rusty1 | adm10809: a usb device ? lsusb to see |
| 05:12.10 | adm10809 | builtin to the laptop but i think from the other day i was here that its entry from lsusb is: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 5986:0292 Acer, Inc |
| 05:12.24 | joj | adm10809: OK, let's see ... could you open a terminal, run v4l2-ctl --info and paste the output on paste.debian.net? We need to verify if the correct driver is loaded, and check the capabilities of the device |
| 05:12.42 | adm10809 | joj, sure, one moment |
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| 05:13.31 | adm10809 | v4l2-ctl wasn't recognized as a command, is that a package? |
| 05:14.05 | joj | adm10809: the binary is from the v4l-utils package |
| 05:15.22 | adm10809 | http://paste.debian.net/80394/ |
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| 05:17.46 | joj | adm10809: I have a device with exactly the same capabilities (also Acer in a Lenovo laptop), and it works for me. I don't know vlc, but what does the mplayer command: mplayer tv:// do? It should display a video feed from your cam, and if not, output lots of info on what went wrong. |
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| 05:19.54 | adm10809 | vlc has that, check out this output i am getting: http://paste.debian.net/80395/ |
| 05:20.01 | Rusty1 | joj: does luvcview installation (or not) matter |
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| 05:22.15 | joj | adm10809: run the group command, it displays in what groups you're in. Are you in the "video" group? |
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| 05:23.19 | joj | Rusty1: it should not, because I don't have that installed, and despite that it works |
| 05:23.36 | adm10809 | yes, I'm in the video group |
| 05:23.39 | adm10809 | :/ |
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| 05:25.27 | adm10809 | if you have the same webcam setup I do and it works for you then that means it does have linux support. it's just strange how it's not working for me. I tried it in different kernels too |
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| 05:27.05 | roscareyes | hi |
| 05:27.31 | roscareyes | fucking nigger loving sons of bitches |
| 05:27.45 | joj | adm10809: then what does ls -l /dev/vide0 say about permissions? it should be: crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 Feb 6 13:05 /dev/video0. Also, in vlc, you need the use the video for linux option with /dev/video0 as the adaptor. It would be easier to debug in mplayer because the vlc output is scarce. What does the command cvlc v4l2:///dev/video0 produce? it works like the mplayer command I mentioned before for |
| 05:27.47 | joj | me |
| 05:27.57 | bazhang | !ops | roscareyes |
| 05:27.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: bazhang complains about: | roscareyes |
| 05:28.02 | roscareyes | joj I bet you love having 13 inch african aids sticks stuck up your ass |
| 05:28.12 | roscareyes | fucking nigger loving commie |
| 05:28.25 | roscareyes | this will be the last time you cheat on me |
| 05:28.38 | roscareyes | and the last time you say anything nice about obama to me |
| 05:28.52 | roscareyes | fuck off okay joj |
| 05:28.56 | hfp | lol |
| 05:28.56 | roscareyes | an dleave me the hell alone |
| 05:29.00 | roscareyes | i am getting a restraining order |
| 05:29.10 | adm10809 | joj, it says ls: cannot access /dev/vide0: No such file or directory |
| 05:29.33 | adm10809 | joj, i can install mplayer and try it. i believe i did so last time to see if it would work |
| 05:29.47 | joj | adm10809: but the file exists and has the permissions as output by ls -l /dev/video0? |
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| 05:30.24 | adm10809 | joj, yes it says no such file or directory but that doesn't make sense |
| 05:30.39 | joj | adm10809: Also, output of v4l2ctl --list-devices? I'm wondering what path your cam is at |
| 05:30.51 | joj | * v4l2-ctl |
| 05:31.46 | adm10809 | joj, ok i just entered cvlc v4l2:///dev/video0 and the webcam light turned on and i got a black window but no errors. the output in the console says: cvlc v4l2:///dev/video0 |
| 05:32.56 | [ungali] | !date |
| 05:32.57 | dpkg | The current date is 2014.02.06 5:32:56 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 05:33.13 | adm10809 | joj, http://paste.debian.net/80398/ |
| 05:34.02 | joj | adm10809: this bug report https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907197 matches exactly your problem and indicates that the problem was fixed in kernel 3.7.7. did you try a kernel >= that version? |
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| 05:34.45 | adm10809 | joj, i tried it in kernels 3.10 and 3.12 from backports. currently in 3.12 now |
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| 05:35.31 | adm10809 | joj, but ya that bug report is what i have going on |
| 05:36.51 | joj | adm10809: ok what we can do last is try to tell the v4l client (vlc/mplayer...) how to decode the feed it gets from the camera, that is specifying the format information manually supposing it is not autodetected correctly ... |
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| 05:37.33 | joj | adm10809: but I would recommend to at least try with mplayer as an alternative player to vlc |
| 05:37.43 | adm10809 | ok i'll get mplayer now |
| 05:37.57 | adm10809 | oh i already have it |
| 05:38.11 | joj | mplayer tv:/// -> ? |
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| 05:39.22 | adm10809 | more output, you're right http://paste.debian.net/80399/ |
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| 05:39.40 | adm10809 | the light also turned on and i saw a flash of green but then the video was black again |
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| 05:40.45 | joj | adm10809: it seems the player tries decoding using VDPAU but it failed ... let's try: mplayer -vo xv tv:/// |
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| 05:41.23 | joj | adm10809: for using the XVideo extension instead |
| 05:41.58 | adm10809 | here's the output http://paste.debian.net/80400/ |
| 05:42.10 | adm10809 | similar results |
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| 05:43.58 | joj | adm10809: you know, I get exact the same messages from mplayer but I get the image too |
| 05:44.32 | adm10809 | hmm |
| 05:44.48 | adm10809 | are you implying the cam is defective? |
| 05:44.51 | adm10809 | i guess it's possible |
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| 05:45.40 | adm10809 | i should boot into windows and see if it works there |
| 05:46.35 | joj | adm10809: OK if you can verify with the windows driver, that'd certainly be good |
| 05:47.21 | joj | adm10809: the last thing I can think of is like I said setting the decoding options all manually, but let's see after the Windows test |
| 05:47.52 | adm10809 | ok, i'll boot into windows. i'll be back after i've given that a try |
| 05:48.00 | adm10809 | thanks for your help |
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| 05:48.22 | joj | adm10809: you can also ask in #v4l, they're the experts |
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| 05:51.54 | Ranomier | Hi :D |
| 05:53.09 | Ranomier | i want mount a mdadm with lvm in there with a live cd to fix a network configuration. |
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| 05:54.59 | Ranomier | I read some manuals and tried much, but my head now rotates. If here is someone who can help me at this time, that would be awesome |
| 05:55.54 | Ranomier | My servers network wont get up^^ im tried a to get a bridge for ganeti and my virtual machines^^ |
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| 05:58.30 | aphorise | How do I install something unstable eg python3.3.3? |
| 05:58.56 | aphorise | Just having issues understanding how to do this... I did my own make && make install using their source... |
| 05:59.09 | aphorise | but seems to have messed up other dependecies like python-pip that i Had. |
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| 06:00.50 | themill | aphorise: any locally installed python that is on your PATH will screw over all python modules packaged by debian. If you want a locally compiled python, keep it out of rout PATH; a virtualenv can be a good choice |
| 06:02.15 | aphorise | themill aheh - dam - I changed > ln on /usr/bin/python to what I made - if I change this link back to python3.2mu is that ok? |
| 06:02.28 | aphorise | themill how to restore my issue now? |
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| 06:03.40 | themill | egads. /usr/bin/python is supposed to be python2.7 |
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| 06:04.59 | aphorise | themill so if I restore > ln -s /usr/bin/python2.7 /usr/bin/python it will fix it? |
| 06:05.08 | aphorise | How then to upgrade to 3.3.3? via sid? |
| 06:05.54 | themill | That will hopefully be enough. You might like to have debsums check to see if you've clobbered any other system files |
| 06:06.09 | Ranomier | someone there who is willing, to help me? |
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| 06:07.46 | hfp | _FBi: Meh, after extensive testing, I'm getting around 20 mbits on the RamNode VPN using UDP and around 4 mbits using TCP. |
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| 06:08.56 | aphorise | themill thanks.... I got further - but now I get: dpkg: error processing python-debian (--configure): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should |
| 06:09.00 | _FBi | hfp, wait for someone to be around -- I get 100+MB/sec with wget |
| 06:09.17 | aphorise | & when I do upgrade its complaining about python-debian |
| 06:09.28 | themill | aphorise: perhaps you could pastebin the command and entire output |
| 06:09.32 | hfp | _FBi: do you mean wget over the VPN connection? |
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| 06:10.06 | _FBi | wget from my term |
| 06:11.08 | hfp | _FBi: Yes I'm getting this kind of speeds as well from the shell directly on the VPS but if I connect to the VPN and test the speed over the VPN then I am getting the speeds I mentionned. |
| 06:11.13 | aphorise | themill http://pastebin.com/JbBh7jLF |
| 06:11.36 | aphorise | themill btw I changed back links to pything 2.7 |
| 06:12.10 | _FBi | hfp, did you follow their network tweaks? |
| 06:12.37 | themill | aphorise: what does "aptitude reinstall python-debian" want to do? |
| 06:13.15 | aphorise | themill - I dont know to be honest I was just trying to get python3.3.3 with dependicies up... following a bad guide |
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| 06:14.00 | hfp | _FBi: No? Let me check |
| 06:14.10 | _FBi | there should be alink somewhere |
| 06:14.20 | _FBi | on their site -- faq stuff |
| 06:14.21 | aphorise | themill running now |
| 06:14.59 | aphorise | themill its removing & reprocessing some stuff. |
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| 06:15.58 | aphorise | themill thanks man that did it - how to update to python3.3.3 ? |
| 06:16.15 | themill | aphorise: what specifically from that version of python do you need? |
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| 06:16.35 | themill | seems to have slipped into en_YODA |
| 06:16.44 | AlexLikeRock | o/ nagarkot |
| 06:17.00 | aphorise | themill I need default run time enviroment 3.3.3 with pip preferably & python-usb depdencies. |
| 06:17.08 | aphorise | themill trying to run a script to flash a board. |
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| 06:19.10 | themill | python-usb doesn't need python 3.3.3. It will be quite happy with 3.2 that you already have in debian |
| 06:19.11 | aphorise | themill I had a similar setup before with 2.7 - annoying that I have to now have 3.3.3 |
| 06:19.41 | aphorise | themill problem is which usb.which(...) forexample. |
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| 06:20.37 | Ranomier | ok, im too tiered. i have to got to bed now^^ germany gmt+1 ..^^ |
| 06:20.55 | aphorise | themill the ".which()" seems to be the issue in this code... sorry I am not an python expert. |
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| 06:26.25 | sandGorgon | is anybody using lvm on their laptops ? are you seeing any performance degradation for watching movies + coding webapps ? |
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| 06:30.05 | themill | I can't find any function like that in the usb module; but if you really need a newer python than the 3.2 in wheezy, you compile it and install it to somewhere not in your PATH (/opt/python3.3 for example) and then create a virtualenv pointing to that python |
| 06:30.10 | themill | aphorise: ^^ |
| 06:30.18 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a software update config somewhere where my software can get automatically updated without asking me to do it or asking for my password? |
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| 06:31.27 | aphorise | themill: I have it in there with its /bin, etc. directories (therein)... so I have to use pyenv or something now? - also will pip work with it there after? |
| 06:31.34 | technoid_ | Lady_Aleena: cron from the root account? |
| 06:31.43 | Lady_Aleena | I am sick and tired of typing my password. |
| 06:32.12 | themill | Lady_Aleena: you're using jessie aren't you? |
| 06:32.17 | Lady_Aleena | technoid_, that is above my head. |
| 06:32.26 | Lady_Aleena | themill, wheezy(sp). |
| 06:32.34 | themill | aphorise: yes, if you create a virtualenv then you enter the virtualenv and pip can only install things inside it. |
| 06:32.48 | themill | Lady_Aleena: how often are you updating things? |
| 06:33.08 | Lady_Aleena | themill, whenever I see a little gear show up on my taskbar in KDE. |
| 06:33.51 | Lady_Aleena | KDE's Apper pops up, I click update, then it asks for my !@#$ing password. |
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| 06:34.47 | themill | Can't say I know anything about apper or what it is trying to do. |
| 06:34.58 | aphorise | themill sorry bro any link you can recommend - kind of dumb struck here on what to do / try.. I pip installed virtualenv |
| 06:35.12 | Lady_Aleena | themill, okay. |
| 06:35.31 | themill | aphorise: virtualenv is already in debian -- don't run pip as root. |
| 06:36.04 | haridas | Hi, I'm trying to make the touchpad working on my debian sid - wheezy. the driver "synaptic_drv.so" file is not getting loaded while the Xorg starts, because of this I can't scroll on my touch pad. any idea about it ? |
| 06:36.36 | haridas | I tried ubuntu 13.10 live cd to test my system, it activates all the drivers and loading the synaptics_drv.so file also... |
| 06:37.18 | haridas | I removed all custom files under the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d but kept those under /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 06:38.01 | aphorise | themill ok - so now with /opt/python3.3 in there I have it built, etc... what should I do? |
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| 06:39.23 | aphorise | themill - my default python --version is restored to 2.7.3 - and if I run the ./fw_update.py I get "shutil.which("readserial")" |
| 06:39.41 | aphorise | Thats where the .which issues. |
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| 06:40.11 | aphorise | themill " 'module' object has no attribute 'which'" cause of 3.3.3 requirment |
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| 06:43.10 | themill | aphorise: ok, so shutil need python 3.3 (not 3.3.3 btw -- 3.3.2 from sid would work fine too). |
| 06:43.59 | aphorise | themill how to install from sid latest 3.3.2 version? |
| 06:44.21 | haridas | I found this link and hoping for the best - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=95940 |
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| 06:44.33 | aphorise | themill I really need lesson on doing unstable installs from sid. |
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| 06:45.03 | themill | aphorise: you'd have to create a sid chroot for this; you don't install packages from sid on your wheezy machine; at this stage using virtualenv is probably easier |
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| 06:47.09 | aphorise | themill what should I do in terms of cli? virtualenv new to me too :-( |
| 06:49.01 | themill | basically "virtualenv --python /usr/bin/python3 --no-site-packages ~/py3env" is enough to get started. "cd ~/p3env; . bin/activate" |
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| 06:50.23 | themill | aphorise: from then on, you can run "pip-3.2" and "python3" inside that virtualenv and they only change the virtualenv and not your base system. |
| 06:50.37 | aphorise | themill can I do "virtualenv --python /opt/python3.3 --no-site-packages ~/py3env" |
| 06:51.04 | aphorise | I dont seem to have 3.3 anywhere just 3.2 on /usr/bin |
| 06:51.48 | themill | aphorise: yeah, you'd want --python /opt/python3.3/bin/python3 or whatever the path was |
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| 06:54.03 | aphorise | themill I get > New python executable in /home/auser/py3env/bin/python3 |
| 06:54.19 | aphorise | So how then I do refer to that as default edition? |
| 06:55.07 | themill | so you enter the virtualenv with "cd ~/p3env; . bin/activate" and that shell will use things from inside the virtualenv; |
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| 06:55.34 | themill | If you type "python3" after entering the virtualenv, you'll see that it's your compiled 3.3.3 |
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| 06:57.14 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a backport for Libre and KDE like there is for IceWeasel? |
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| 06:57.49 | themill | libreoffice, yes. |
| 06:58.07 | Lady_Aleena | For IceWeasel, I have "deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release", I was wondering if there are others. |
| 06:59.13 | Lady_Aleena | Maybe the newer LibreOffice has a way to turn off the splash screens the wheezy version doesn't have. |
| 07:00.06 | Lady_Aleena | themill, will you please share the LibreOffice backport? |
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| 07:00.41 | aphorise | themill sorry - almost there... I have ~/py3env bin, etc... and I chmod +x activate - but it didnt seems to do anything... I still have 2.7.3 refernced. |
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| 07:01.18 | themill | aphorise: you shouldn't need to chmod +x bin/activate, you should just source it ". bin/activate" |
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| 07:01.50 | Lady_Aleena | I can wait, this isn't urgent. |
| 07:02.11 | themill | Lady_Aleena: it's urgent for you to not see splash screens? |
| 07:02.30 | themill | aphorise: "help ." or "help source" at the bash prompt to understand what that means |
| 07:02.30 | Lady_Aleena | themill, it is NOT urgent. |
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| 07:03.00 | themill | ah, sorry |
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| 07:03.54 | themill | Lady_Aleena: you already have the libreoffice backport available to you; just install it in the normal way for backports |
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| 07:05.00 | Lady_Aleena | themill, I'd like to add it to my sources list so it is always up to date. (same with KDE, but that is a bigger issue) |
| 07:05.32 | themill | add what? |
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| 07:06.23 | Lady_Aleena | themill, something akin to "deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release" |
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| 07:06.37 | themill | dpkg: tell Lady_Aleena about wheezy-backports |
| 07:06.41 | themill | Lady_Aleena: you already have that though |
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| 07:07.37 | Lady_Aleena | themill, thank you. |
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| 07:13.55 | Lady_Aleena | themill, would you look over my sources to make sure I didn't do anything wrong before I save? http://paste.debian.net/80405/ |
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| 07:15.25 | themill | Lady_Aleena: you've got the wheezy-backports repo in there twice (lines 3 and 5). There's no need for line 5. |
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| 07:16.10 | Lady_Aleena | In nano, is there a way to select a whole line and delete it all at once? |
| 07:16.29 | themill | ^K |
| 07:16.34 | aphorise | themill > pip3.3 install piusb >>> Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement pyusb (from versions: 1.0.0a2, 1.0.0a2, 1.0.0a3, 1.0 .0a3, 1.0.0b1) - In the fw_update.py - I am getting issues with usb.core |
| 07:16.42 | themill | aphorise: pyusb |
| 07:16.47 | aphorise | Sorry py |
| 07:16.56 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks x2. |
| 07:17.01 | Lady_Aleena | ^themill\ |
| 07:17.25 | aphorise | themill > how can I overcome that usb.core issue in the virtualenv now? |
| 07:17.42 | aphorise | or do I need to install specific version? |
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| 07:18.17 | themill | aphorise: pip was able to install pyusb for me without any issues. I don't know where these extra restrictions are coming from |
| 07:19.15 | aphorise | themill I am in virtualenv - as per our earlier instructions - really helped... but I thought I need to install via pip3.3 pyusb now no? - do I need to install specific version or something? |
| 07:19.54 | Lady_Aleena | Last question for this issue: run sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade, and I should be set up, correct? |
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| 07:20.40 | themill | aphorise: "pip-3.2 install pyusb" worked fine for me here -- I don't know why it's not for you unless it's declaring it doesn't work with python3.3 in some way. Perhaps #python can help you with this one. |
| 07:21.10 | themill | Lady_Aleena: yes; you'd need to aptitude -t wheezy-backports install libreoffice as per the backports instructions |
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| 07:37.19 | wioux | Lady_Aleena I think you'll not interfere by asking another... I'm just saying screw it and proceeding to install without networking :) |
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| 07:41.32 | Lady_Aleena | wioux, I think I did something very wrong with I initially installed Debian now. If I am reading http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/kmail correctly, I should have KMail 4.4.11. I only have KMail version 1.13.7. |
| 07:42.23 | themill | kmail versioning is weird; that sounds ok |
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| 07:42.45 | Lady_Aleena | themill, I've been told I am missing key things, like the ability to export KMail data. |
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| 07:43.36 | Lady_Aleena | My version of KMail doesn't even remotely look like the screenshots available. |
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| 08:06.03 | nome_utente11 | guys |
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| 08:06.23 | nome_utente11 | iptraf doesn't work with vlan interfaces (virtual ones) |
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| 08:06.52 | nome_utente11 | There's a patch since 2008 to fix this, so: WHY the debian package hasn't yet applied that patch ??? |
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| 08:11.46 | nome_utente11 | hey? |
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| 08:17.40 | Drake-Shadowclaw | Hey |
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| 08:20.29 | ChrisH | nome_utente11: beein impolite does not increase the time to get an answer. Q: What does the Bug report say, you refer to. Which id has it? |
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| 08:23.50 | ChrisH | s/increase/decrease |
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| 08:35.44 | nome_utente11 | ChrisH: It's not a debian bug. It's a Bug of that software (iptraf), whose patch has been released years ago (2008) . Here0s the link http://linux.mantech.ro/IPTraf-fix.html |
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| 08:38.13 | matu | Hi |
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| 08:41.54 | ChrisH | nome_utente11: http://iptraf.seul.org/ has the last update is from September 2005. I assume you did an aptitude serach iptraf and found iptraf-ng which has this fix in. |
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| 08:46.13 | ChrisH | nome_utente11: its in http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/main i386 Packages |
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| 08:53.18 | finga | how can if figure out the current default locale |
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| 08:56.46 | wols_ | finga: run "locale" |
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| 08:58.20 | finga | wols_s ahh thx |
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| 09:01.11 | finga | wols_: but can there be differences from user to default locales? |
| 09:01.46 | sandGorgon | why cant I see btrfs support in debian installer ? |
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| 09:02.46 | neobii | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.05 | sandGorgon | neobii, use shorewall instead of iptables directly |
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| 09:04.22 | wols_ | finga: every user can set his own locale. the locale must be generated on the system however, not sure what happens if it's not: some things may work then some might use the default locale "C" |
| 09:05.12 | wols_ | neobii: use a ssh port forward. easier to do |
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| 09:05.59 | neobii | aha |
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| 09:06.09 | neobii | what would that rule look like? |
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| 09:07.50 | neobii | oh never mind wols_ |
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| 09:08.16 | neobii | it a rule at all :) |
| 09:08.38 | TribalMan | just did a rm -rf with a double space before the specified directory, should I worry? |
| 09:09.03 | yeenoghu | TribalMan: should be fine :) |
| 09:09.13 | xand | TribalMan: no |
| 09:09.35 | xand | the shell collapses multiple spaces into one |
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| 09:10.36 | yeenoghu | on a related note a space before the command will prevent it from being entered into history |
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| 09:11.39 | TribalMan | *dances around in relief* |
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| 09:22.39 | neobii | that gives me ssl_error_rx_record_too_long |
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| 09:27.35 | nome_utente11 | ChrisH: Thanks it worked! |
| 09:27.45 | nome_utente11 | Didn't know that iptraf was so unmaintained ! |
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| 09:35.53 | makara | how can I find out the package that installed dhclient? |
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| 09:36.23 | makara | why are there so many dhcp clients? isc-dhcp-client, dhcp-client, dhcp-client3 |
| 09:37.48 | bhuddah | we're pro choice. |
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| 09:37.59 | makara | "Virtual packages like 'dhclient' can't be removed" |
| 09:38.04 | makara | not much choice |
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| 09:39.12 | bhuddah | makara: you can use "aptitude why <package>" to hopefully find that out. |
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| 09:39.52 | makara | provides ifupdown |
| 09:40.17 | makara | suggests dhclient | pump | dhcpcd |
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| 09:42.01 | bhuddah | makara: so what do you really need help with? |
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| 09:43.18 | bhuddah | "it"? |
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| 09:47.38 | wioux | It seems I need a firmware version from wheezy-backports for my wifi chip. How can I use this firmware inside the wheezy net installer? |
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| 09:52.37 | monode | hello, I dd-ed a windows iso to a usb's stick only partition (/dev/sdb1), but it fails to boot. Are there any issues while doing this? |
| 09:53.09 | wioux | I think I need firmware-iwlwifi_0.40~bpo70+1 but the net installer has firmware-iwlwifi_0.36+wheezy.1. My strategy was to replace the old firmware package inside the installer, but it's an ISO 9660 image which cannot be mounted writeable. |
| 09:53.48 | Yeowang | monode: I think you're not supposed to actaully dd it onto a partition. |
| 09:54.00 | monode | tried dd-ing onto the device, too |
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| 09:54.09 | kalloc | hi |
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| 09:54.27 | monode | if i dd it onto the partition, it shows up as "iso9660" in cfdisk, with 8G size. |
| 09:54.32 | kalloc | how linux set source address for outbound connection? |
| 09:54.41 | Yeowang | monode: What exactly was the command you used? |
| 09:54.42 | monode | if i dd it onto the drive directly, it shows everything as free space |
| 09:54.55 | monode | dd if=iso of=/dev/sdb1 (when dding onto the partition) |
| 09:55.01 | pero | wioux: i've tried that and failed, but let me dig up the guide |
| 09:55.04 | monode | and earlier dd if=iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 09:55.14 | Yeowang | monode: Any output? |
| 09:55.14 | kalloc | I have 4 IP addresses, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, and 5.5 |
| 09:55.19 | kalloc | eth0 with 5.2 |
| 09:55.22 | pero | wioux: https://gist.github.com/mkyed/5140564 |
| 09:55.24 | kalloc | eth0:1 with 5.3 |
| 09:55.36 | kalloc | why source address set to 5.3 and not to 5.2? |
| 09:55.40 | kalloc | and how fix it? |
| 09:55.44 | pero | replace his driver with the one you want - for me it was iwlegacy for an intel 3945 |
| 09:55.50 | monode | it showed the number of records copied, no errors |
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| 09:56.07 | wioux | pero thank you |
| 09:56.08 | monode | i also sent it a bunch of sigusr1s while it was copying, so yes, there was quite a bit of output that i don't have handy anymore :) |
| 09:56.17 | pero | wioux: i couldnt get it to fly though |
| 09:56.31 | Yeowang | Try to dd again and upload the output? |
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| 09:57.25 | monode | it basically set |
| 09:57.37 | monode | 3.4GB/512k (which was the blocksized I used) |
| 09:57.43 | monode | so that, which we'll call x |
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| 09:57.45 | monode | +x records in |
| 09:57.48 | monode | +x records out |
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| 09:58.00 | monode | image was 3.4G, bs was 512k |
| 09:58.00 | Yeowang | Would you just upload it, please? |
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| 09:58.29 | monode | you want me to upload the iso somewhere? |
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| 09:58.57 | Yeowang | monode: No, what I asked you to. Asked you if you could go through the procedure of dd-ing again and upload all the output. |
| 09:59.08 | monode | I just told you |
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| 09:59.29 | ChrisH | nome_utente11: fine |
| 09:59.44 | monode | it said +6963 or so recorsd in, +6963 records out |
| 09:59.46 | monode | and that's it |
| 09:59.48 | Yeowang | monode: And I told you not to tell me, but to upload all the thing. |
| 10:00.04 | monode | you know i can just dd a 1k file, alter its output and upload that? :) |
| 10:00.04 | wioux | pero you're supposed to be able to put a firmware onto an external medium under firmware/, and the installer finds it. that didn't seem to work for me. did you have trouble with it? |
| 10:00.18 | monode | i'm not really inclined to redo it right now, since the usb stick was darned slow |
| 10:00.31 | monode | took over 30 minutes for 3.4GB, so.. |
| 10:00.37 | monode | let me check a backlog if it's really _that_ important |
| 10:01.02 | Yeowang | monode: Yes, I don't like relying on rephrasing. I'd rather have a log. |
| 10:01.12 | Yeowang | You could also try a small bs. |
| 10:01.40 | monode | I have tried several, 512k, 128k, 512, and the default |
| 10:02.01 | monode | it's really annoying, dd is supposed to be easy. i'm guessing the mbr is wrong though |
| 10:02.07 | Yeowang | How about something like 2M? |
| 10:02.18 | ws2k3 | Hello which kernel is running in debian 7.3? |
| 10:02.53 | monode | fine, gonna try with 2M |
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| 10:04.46 | wols_ | ,kernels |
| 10:04.47 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.9-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.9-1); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.6-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 10:05.00 | wols_ | ws2k3: now you know |
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| 10:06.29 | wols_ | monode: you cannot put a windows ISO onto a USB Stick under linux. especially not with dd |
| 10:06.48 | wols_ | monode: try the microsoft tool under wine. or maybe YUMI. |
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| 10:07.10 | monode | really? |
| 10:07.11 | FilipeMaia | When I dlopen a library that depends on another library but I already have a version of that other library opened, will the new version of the library also be opened? |
| 10:07.17 | monode | that's... counterintuitive |
| 10:07.24 | wols_ | monode: no it's not |
| 10:07.46 | monode | iso boots in vm, iso boots in an actual cdrom, iso boots with win32diskimager... |
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| 10:08.07 | monode | i wasn't even seeing a fail to be possible with dd |
| 10:08.09 | wols_ | monode: your VM doesn't use USB, and a cdrom doesn't use USB either |
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| 10:08.46 | wols_ | monode: you are clueless about what usb boot is and how windows works. learn to google instead. "create windows usb install under linux" various hits on the first place |
| 10:09.06 | wols_ | windows ISOs are not hybrid images like debian is |
| 10:09.18 | monode | hmm, i never said i wasn't |
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| 10:13.33 | ProphetZ | Hello all. |
| 10:13.36 | Yeowang | monode: What actually happens when you use the usb? |
| 10:14.11 | monode | nothing, it boots to the next media |
| 10:14.30 | Yeowang | monode: Have you set it to boot from the correct media? |
| 10:15.08 | ProphetZ | Does anyone here have any news on using Linux on a 32bit Atom Z2760 with EFI? |
| 10:16.25 | monode | obviously |
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| 10:16.41 | monode | it mentions that it failed to boot from the usb stick, and proceeds to the next media |
| 10:16.55 | ProphetZ | I see news articles stating that the Z2760 was not designed with Linux support in mind, but I would think that a properly built Linux kernel could still work. Can anyone help provide info on how to install Linux on a system with a Z2760? |
| 10:16.55 | Yeowang | monode: You said it just skips to the next media. So it wasn't obvious. |
| 10:17.02 | monode | ah, yeah |
| 10:17.05 | Yeowang | You skipped some info. |
| 10:17.15 | Yeowang | And that's why I want logs, do you see it now? |
| 10:17.24 | monode | i go to the bbs menu, choose the stick, it mentions that it failed and proceeds |
| 10:17.39 | flos | kalloc, example code? |
| 10:17.41 | monode | well, in my mind it made sense, tbh, i said "next media" so there was one implied :P |
| 10:17.43 | Yeowang | monode: https://tinyurl.com/q2z5f46 |
| 10:17.44 | monode | but i get your point, yes |
| 10:17.46 | Yeowang | Have a loot at this maybe. |
| 10:18.00 | Yeowang | Yeah but I can't look either into your mind nor onto your screen. |
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| 10:18.31 | monode | checking, thanks |
| 10:18.38 | Yeowang | You're welcome. |
| 10:18.48 | |oop | start the reactor quade |
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| 10:21.47 | trinode | have you guys ever had a problem with sid in that it won't boot and for prety much every command you get "too may levels of symlinks" ? |
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| 10:22.11 | DanteLA | How do I install a single package from debian unstable/testing without adding all the other packages? |
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| 10:24.04 | trinode | download the .deb? |
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| 10:24.14 | trinode | dpkg -i thedebfile.deb |
| 10:24.14 | dpkg | package thedebfile.deb is already installed |
| 10:24.32 | trinode | lol, funnybot |
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| 10:33.23 | RichiH | is there a sane way to create cronjobs that run at a random time, but once per month? |
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| 10:35.31 | themill | RichiH: the same time each month but different on each host? |
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| 10:48.38 | Leoneof | hi, i have local repo, how to do dpkg-scanpackages for new packages only? |
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| 10:53.12 | babilen | Leoneof: It simply creates the entire Packages file and doesn't "update" any existing one. Are you running into problems with scanning all packages in the repository/directory ? |
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| 10:54.20 | Leoneof | babilen: yes it's problem, because scanning all packages takes 1hr or more |
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| 10:55.21 | babilen | Leoneof: Maybe you want to consider using a "proper" repository program such as, say, reprepro or mini-dinstall -- See https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository for an overview |
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| 10:56.11 | Leoneof | babilen: i'm using apt-mirror, is it okay? |
| 11:00.39 | Knaldgas | Hmm, trying to make a symlink to a ttyUSB* device, but the symlink is made to the raw(?) device (189,277), but I would like it to link to right(?) device (188,0). How do I accomplish that? |
| 11:00.50 | Knaldgas | It's a buspirate (FTDI) device |
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| 11:02.48 | Knaldgas | The file linked to is "/dev/bus/usb/003/022", having major,minor=189,277 but I would like to have it linked to the /dev/ttyUSB0 files instead: major,minor=188,0 |
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| 11:17.06 | s1ck | Hi! I'm trying to build mesa on debian sid. Is there any guide which I should follow, except the official "Building mesa" ? |
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| 11:18.00 | wols_ | s1ck: how you you want to integrate it into the package management? are you building a .deb? |
| 11:18.22 | s1ck | wols_, I have no idea right now. I just cloned the repo and read the manual |
| 11:18.29 | s1ck | wols_, I think a package would be better? |
| 11:19.52 | wols_ | yes a package is (almost) mandatory. at a minimum you should create a equivs package. /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 11:22.53 | abrotman | uupdate might be better |
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| 11:26.24 | dskfl | how can i receive mail for root? i tried "mail root" and the subject and message but it's not received. I'm interested in receiving mail from arpwatch |
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| 11:26.51 | dskfl | do i need to have an smtp setup just for this? |
| 11:27.08 | bhuddah | dskfl: setup your aliases (man aliases) should hopefully help you. |
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| 11:30.42 | wols_ | dskfl: is anytuing in /var/mail/ ? |
| 11:30.46 | wols_ | *anything |
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| 11:31.53 | dskfl | now that you ask.. yes |
| 11:31.57 | dskfl | what i sent with mail.. |
| 11:32.10 | dskfl | but the command mail is saying there's no mail |
| 11:32.33 | dskfl | this is the path that /var/mail/mail |
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| 11:33.10 | dskfl | and is a text file with the 2 mails i sent one after the other |
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| 11:34.16 | as_ | #flood |
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| 11:36.32 | sandGorgon | guys is ANYONE running debian on btrfs ? I would love to hear how to. |
| 11:36.49 | dskfl | hmm so the mail is sent but not delivered to root's inbox? do i need exim for that? |
| 11:36.54 | dskfl | the service is stopped |
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| 11:51.51 | JaneSmith | will debian go for systemd? what are the news? |
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| 11:52.13 | abrotman | TBD, no one here knows |
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| 11:52.52 | nullfaith | JaneSmith: Would be pretty cool. |
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| 12:03.48 | Fvck_SystemD | fuck system d |
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| 12:03.52 | Fvck_SystemD | FUCK SYSTEMD |
| 12:04.02 | Fvck_SystemD | those shitheads want to mandate it |
| 12:04.13 | Fvck_SystemD | they are taking over the linux we have known |
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| 12:05.29 | nullfaith | Whoah.....calm yourself. |
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| 12:16.15 | JaneSmith | that's a point of view :) |
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| 12:33.48 | ws2k3 | hello i wanne install a new kernel so i did apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 do i need to update grub of anything to make sure it boots the new kernel or is this already done for me ? |
| 12:34.06 | SirLagz | ws2k3: no, apt-get does it for you |
| 12:34.17 | ws2k3 | ah okay so if i reboot now it picks the new kernel |
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| 12:34.29 | SirLagz | ws2k3: should do. |
| 12:34.35 | ws2k3 | okay thank you |
| 12:34.43 | SirLagz | ws2k3: no probs. |
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| 12:42.07 | zxcv_ | hi guys :) |
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| 12:43.04 | zxcv_ | i had debian stable(crunchbang) and i upgrade it to testing and now i have problem with my ATI Radeon graphic card configuration |
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| 12:44.08 | wols_ | !crunchbang |
| 12:44.08 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 12:44.18 | wols_ | zxcv_: crunchbang is not debian in any way |
| 12:45.05 | zxcv_ | aha, i know it's modified |
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| 12:45.34 | zxcv_ | ok, i'll go to their channel, thanks :) |
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| 13:00.54 | lvh | Hi! |
| 13:01.04 | lvh | If I'm creating the wheel or admin groups, should they be system groups? |
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| 13:07.33 | wols_ | !wheel |
| 13:07.33 | dpkg | wheel is, like, the traditional name of security group 0 in BSD (from slang for "big wheel" as a powerful person). This group is irrelevant in the default Debian configs but you can use the "sudo" group to give users the ability to run commands as root through sudo; ask me about <sudoers>. Alternatively, look at the pam_wheel module for <PAM> which will only allow su to root from members of the wheel group. |
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| 13:09.20 | Ellipsis753_ | Hello. I copied the windows partitions to a new harddrive but now it's unbootable. What can I do? |
| 13:10.02 | abrotman | Ellipsis753_: ask ##windows ? |
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| 13:10.41 | Tlin | Install grub xD |
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| 13:12.22 | Jonuz | Hi, I made live usb stick and now I need to format it back, any ideas how I can do that. I tried to do it with gparted but it didn't find my usb stick |
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| 13:12.52 | Ellipsis753_ | Tlin: Would that help? |
| 13:13.02 | Ellipsis753_ | abrotman: I'll try. Thank you. |
| 13:13.08 | wols_ | Jonuz: format it under which OS? |
| 13:13.14 | Jonuz | Debian |
| 13:13.34 | wols_ | Jonuz: are you running from this USB stick while you try to reformat it? |
| 13:13.45 | wols_ | Jonuz: sudo fdisk -l should show it just fine |
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| 13:13.50 | Jonuz | no, I used it to install OS |
| 13:14.28 | wols_ | Jonuz: plug it in and it will show up. if you need more help, use paste.debian.net with the output of "sudo fdisk -l" |
| 13:14.30 | Tlin | <Ellipsis753_> I am not 100% sure, but it should. Another way is to boot from windows cd , hit Crtl+F10 (or F11, I am not sure) an run fixboot |
| 13:14.34 | wols_ | while the stick is plugged in |
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| 13:15.11 | wols_ | Ellipsis753_: you will need to boot a windows install medium and fix your bootloader. ##windows will know how |
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| 13:17.27 | oskie | why does a rarely accessed system have 47 sshd processes when there is only one connected user? |
| 13:17.32 | Ellipsis753_ | Tlin: wols_ Thank you. Ideally I'd rather now have to use a cd as I'm not sure that I have one (windows was pre-installed). So I might try installing grub instead if that will work. |
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| 13:18.21 | Tlin | Ellipsis753_: Does you BIOS offer you st start a rescure system? |
| 13:18.40 | Jonuz | Sorry for small off-topic, which file systems usb sticks does use by default? |
| 13:18.53 | Tlin | FAT16/32 |
| 13:18.55 | abrotman | Tlin: this is a question for ##windows |
| 13:18.58 | Ellipsis753_ | Tlin: I don't think so. |
| 13:19.05 | abrotman | Jonuz: depends on the manufacturer |
| 13:19.21 | abrotman | Ellipsis753_: please take this to ##windows, last request |
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| 13:19.55 | Tlin | Sorry Ellipsis753_ looks like I am not allowed to help you here, switch to ##windows |
| 13:20.02 | Jonuz | Okay, any ides what I should use?:D |
| 13:20.07 | abrotman | Jonuz: the one you want |
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| 13:20.16 | Jonuz | Does windows support ext4 |
| 13:20.29 | abrotman | Jonuz: google "Windows ext4 support" |
| 13:20.38 | Jonuz | Ok, sorry for off topic :D |
| 13:20.50 | abrotman | no .. I just don't honestly know .. I rarely use Windows anymore |
| 13:21.04 | abrotman | isn't sure he'd want windows touching an ext? filesystem |
| 13:21.12 | Tlin | no ext4 support in windows by default |
| 13:21.19 | abrotman | ... |
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| 13:21.44 | Tlin | Use FAT to be safe |
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| 13:23.30 | ws2k3 | hello i just did apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 and then i rebooted but it still booted my old kernel and not my just installed new kernel |
| 13:23.46 | abrotman | booted which old kernel? |
| 13:24.33 | ws2k3 | i have a kernel that is provided to me by my hosting provider |
| 13:24.44 | ws2k3 | they made own kernels for there deedicated servers |
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| 13:24.53 | abrotman | that's a VPS, you can't change the kernel. Have a nice day |
| 13:24.55 | ws2k3 | but i am havving issues with it so i wanne run the default debian kernel |
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| 13:25.43 | wfq | hi guys |
| 13:25.53 | ws2k3 | no it not a vps. |
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| 13:26.11 | abrotman | ws2k3: uname -a |
| 13:26.12 | ws2k3 | its fully dedicated and i have full root access and Yes i am sure about that |
| 13:26.15 | abrotman | what does it say now? |
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| 13:26.26 | wfq | where should I install my programming IDE on Debian if this is very personal to my user? Shouldn't that be in /home/myuser/programming for example rather than /usr/local/? |
| 13:26.38 | abrotman | wfq: You can, yes |
| 13:26.56 | wfq | abrotman thanks. |
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| 13:27.45 | ws2k3 | Linux ns3350921.ip-37-59-31.eu 3.10.23-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 9 19:06:18 CET 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:27.52 | ws2k3 | is my uname -a |
| 13:28.08 | abrotman | yes, that's a VPS kernel |
| 13:28.18 | m8 | Cna you suggest me a good dns server for debian? (if possible with a good web gui) |
| 13:28.23 | abrotman | bind |
| 13:28.28 | ws2k3 | okay... so how sould i change it |
| 13:29.01 | abrotman | you cannot, I already stated this |
| 13:29.09 | m8 | abrotman, bind is the best? |
| 13:29.16 | SwedeMike | ws2k3: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/bindweb.htm |
| 13:29.17 | ws2k3 | abrotman no its Not a vps |
| 13:29.24 | abrotman | ws2k3: Okay, if you say so. |
| 13:29.26 | ws2k3 | and yes i am realy sure |
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| 13:29.42 | ws2k3 | its not virtual and its not a openvz virtual container or anything |
| 13:29.47 | abrotman | I'm not arguing with you anymore. Good luck. |
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| 13:29.58 | ws2k3 | because in already added some boot options because i wanted another driver |
| 13:30.06 | ws2k3 | then i rebooted and i had my options |
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| 13:30.20 | gregc2 | abrotman is a faggot |
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| 13:30.24 | ws2k3 | yeah i know |
| 13:30.27 | ws2k3 | he just does not listen |
| 13:30.37 | ws2k3 | i know it looks like its a vps but its realy not |
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| 13:30.43 | maasha | Will a iDRAC MAC address and a Linux MAC address for a given ethernet interface be the same? |
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| 13:31.01 | TheKnight_ | hi there |
| 13:31.31 | maasha | This is some DELL machine where iDRAC (disabled) is on eth0 and the Linux network is also eth0 |
| 13:31.36 | abrotman | ws2k3: Okay, I'm sure someone else will be able to help you. I'll suggest you lok at your Grub setttings then |
| 13:31.41 | TheKnight_ | i've mono runtime installed on my wheezy, but cannot see films on web pages requiring silverlight, how to solve? |
| 13:32.50 | ws2k3 | where is it defined which kernel he boots |
| 13:33.07 | abrotman | ws2k3: grub2 has extensive documentation |
| 13:33.18 | saivert | TheKnight_: you got moonlight installed? |
| 13:33.19 | SirLagz | every time I see ws2k3. I think windows server lol |
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| 13:35.00 | TheKnight_ | saivert, apt-cache search moonlight returns only libmono-wcf3.0-cil - librerie WCF di Mono (per CLI 2.0) |
| 13:35.01 | TheKnight_ | libmono-wcf3.0a-cil - Mono WCF libraries (for CLI 2.0) |
| 13:35.29 | saivert | so no |
| 13:35.40 | saivert | go install moonlight. it is a separate self-contained project. |
| 13:35.51 | TheKnight_ | saivert, hoeto? |
| 13:35.54 | saivert | just like silverlight is (doesn't depend on any .NET installed) |
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| 13:37.02 | TheKnight_ | saivert, howto?where to fetch the package? |
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| 13:39.15 | ws2k3 | Linux ns3350921.ip-37-59-31.eu 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:39.17 | ws2k3 | got it fixed |
| 13:39.26 | saivert | currently no package for debian. need to build youself or try the one for ubuntu. |
| 13:39.28 | ws2k3 | so abrotman was wrong |
| 13:39.45 | ws2k3 | only had to change the default in /etc/default/grub and run grub-update |
| 13:40.14 | SirLagz | ws2k3: what were you trying to do ? |
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| 13:40.27 | ws2k3 | switch to another kernel |
| 13:40.59 | SirLagz | ws2k3: oh. didn't apt-get do it for you ? |
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| 13:41.30 | ws2k3 | well.. yeah it did |
| 13:41.42 | ws2k3 | but it did not change which kernel is booted by default |
| 13:41.44 | SirLagz | ah |
| 13:41.45 | ws2k3 | that is was i just did by hand |
| 13:41.45 | SirLagz | i see |
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| 13:41.57 | TheKnight_ | saivert, but i've mono-complete installed, probably the "old" 2.10 version is not enough and i've to onstall the 3.2 one? |
| 13:42.19 | SirLagz | the times I've upgraded my kernel, apt updated grub for me |
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| 13:42.34 | f | hi. i'm trying to install debian. when I configure my partitioning setup, it fails |
| 13:42.37 | f | and if I check syslog |
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| 13:42.48 | Guest33589 | I get '/bin/autopartition-crypto: line 70: stat: not found' |
| 13:42.49 | Guest33589 | wtf! |
| 13:42.56 | x0nix | Hi, is there a way to use different /etc/host files dependend on the Ip of my machine? I have the following enviroments A,B,DEV and like to use the corresponding /etc/host file. |
| 13:43.03 | funnybrit | why the hell is not stat in there? |
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| 13:47.31 | abrotman | ws2k3: I told you to look at the grub settings, how was I wrong? |
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| 13:53.24 | wols_ | ws2k3: we are totally sure this kernel you mentioned above is not a debian kernel. hence it's a VPS or you don't run debian. you cannot run debian on real hardware and have this kernel version |
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| 13:55.27 | abrotman | wols_: These are the not the droids you seek .. |
| 13:57.13 | wols_ | but I want a droid for christmas! |
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| 13:59.23 | binary1985 | an odroid? |
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| 13:59.25 | binary1985 | hellz ya |
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| 14:12.09 | FilipeMaia | Is there a way to specify a certain library revision when linking? |
| 14:12.44 | wfq | Guys what would the collateral effect of removing keyring be please? It is so annoying I can't bear it any more |
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| 14:13.18 | Yukiteru | hi everybody |
| 14:13.40 | wfq | Any time I am trying to access my network I am asked for a password. I just want to get rid of this |
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| 14:14.21 | Yukiteru | i need help with debian jessie and very stranger freeze |
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| 14:14.48 | epsilon | wfq: define "access my network", LAN, WLAN, VPN... |
| 14:15.05 | wfq | epsilon, sorry I meant my LAN (which it is Windows based) |
| 14:15.12 | epsilon | Yukiteru: #debian-next |
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| 14:15.55 | epsilon | wfq: what is asking for password to do what? |
| 14:17.23 | wfq | epsilon, Enter password "Default Keyring" to unlock... |
| 14:17.33 | Koma | ad |
| 14:18.36 | wfq | An application wants access to the keyring "Default Keyring", but it is unlocked |
| 14:18.39 | wfq | An application wants access to the keyring "Default Keyring", but it is unlock |
| 14:18.46 | epsilon | just plugging LAN won't ask for password, are you using VPN/tunnel? Or any stuff requiring encrypted connection? |
| 14:19.48 | wfq | epsilon, not at all |
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| 14:20.40 | wfq | there is no encryption. Obviously I need to enter the window's user and password as "guest" is not up and running on the windows server for security reasongs |
| 14:20.40 | wfq | *reasons |
| 14:20.44 | wols_ | wfq: is this for network shares or what? |
| 14:21.16 | wfq | wols_ it is a folder on a windows server that I only have access as "mysuer". Windows is 7 |
| 14:21.48 | wfq | it is within my LAN and I place document there because that folder is synced with Box (iCloud-based storage) |
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| 14:22.30 | wols_ | wfq: and what debian release? |
| 14:22.37 | wfq | testing |
| 14:23.07 | wfq | debian_version shows jessie/sid |
| 14:25.02 | dtcrshr | is there a way to rename a bunch of files, trading only one word on the filename? for instance file001-marcus.txt (they goes from 001 to 345 or more) to file001-rita.txt ? |
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| 14:25.42 | bezaban | dtcrshr: there is, you can use find for one approach |
| 14:25.44 | themill | dtcrshr: prename |
| 14:25.56 | bezaban | ah. prename, helpful :) |
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| 14:26.55 | dtcrshr | thanks themill ill read about it |
| 14:27.20 | themill | dtcrshr: for instance prename 's/marcus/rita/' *.txt |
| 14:28.30 | dtcrshr | hmm thanks! |
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| 14:48.42 | iateadonut | i have all these tmpfs drives, but getting a /tmp directory full error |
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| 14:49.03 | iateadonut | the /tmp dir doesn't seem to have its own mount point |
| 14:49.46 | colo-work | nothing wrong with that. Debian's default setup. |
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| 14:52.39 | iateadonut | my / drive has 50% free space |
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| 14:52.48 | iateadonut | so i'm not sure why /tmp would say directory full |
| 14:53.00 | iateadonut | there must be a special configuration for the /tmp drive somewhere? |
| 14:53.47 | iateadonut | i can also make a /tmp partition as i have unallocated space. but i'd like to know more about how /tmp is configured and why this error would occur when there is still a lot of space on / |
| 14:53.52 | colo-work | iateadonut, what do df -h / /tmp; df -hi / /tmp produce? |
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| 14:55.56 | iateadonut | the second one produces /dev/disk/by-uuid/f92a53ba-40a5-43c2-b67c-3668696b5d9e 716K 716K 1 100% / |
| 14:56.16 | iateadonut | where is the filesize for that space configured? |
| 14:56.41 | iateadonut | do you ever use a /tmp partition? how much space do you use? |
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| 14:57.38 | colo-work | iateadonut, your filesystem ran out of inodes |
| 14:57.42 | colo-work | you have too many files stored on it |
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| 14:59.44 | iateadonut | wow! i've never heard of running out of inodes before! |
| 15:00.11 | iateadonut | every day that i goof off instead of working my paying job i learn something new. |
| 15:00.56 | iateadonut | but i can 'touch test' no problem. |
| 15:01.53 | iateadonut | how is /tmp configured? any clue as to a file in /etc or a program or something i can look at? |
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| 15:04.46 | iateadonut | also, where might i find where all these files are? or was my ext4 just created with not a lot of inodes? |
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| 15:08.19 | iateadonut | for i in *; do echo -e "$(find $i | wc -l)\t$i"; done | sort -n answer to the second question |
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| 15:08.51 | iateadonut | i guess the answer to the first question is that tmp is configured just like any other filesystem in /etc/fstab |
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| 15:10.45 | iateadonut | "running out of inodes? I haven't seen that since the early days of Usenet" |
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| 15:12.32 | lorenzo | hi! if LILO is "Loading linux" it actually means that it found the bzImage and it's loading it right? |
| 15:12.46 | lorenzo | it's a USB install on a thin client and it's taking a few minutes |
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| 15:15.38 | lorenzo | oh yeah it worked |
| 15:15.40 | bezaban | lorenzo: that's how I understand it |
| 15:15.41 | lorenzo | wow, unbelievable :D |
| 15:15.43 | bezaban | yay :) |
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| 15:15.50 | lorenzo | it just took its 5 minutes |
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| 15:16.09 | bezaban | I've done some sd card installs, class 4 ones are practically useless |
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| 15:16.30 | lorenzo | for some reason ... a) grub install failed (it was trying to install itself on cdrom I think) b) rescue mode = kernel panic when detecting the NIC |
| 15:17.10 | lorenzo | so I had to use lilo |
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| 15:19.40 | jaami | hid3, is there any virtual router for debian? |
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| 15:20.56 | jaami | hi, need to know if any virtual router is available for debian? can anyone guide? |
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| 15:22.53 | nkuttler | jaami: what would a virtual router do? |
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| 15:24.15 | biglama | hi guys, what you do recommanded as a tool for automated incremental backup ? |
| 15:24.29 | biglama | i was thinking of using tar in a cron job |
| 15:24.35 | nkuttler | biglama: i like backuppc |
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| 15:25.03 | grep0r | jaami, dont know details about what you plan but might looking for something like http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/dynagen ? |
| 15:25.06 | petn-randall | biglama: rdiff-backup works great for me. |
| 15:25.14 | jaami | nkuttler: the virtual router let use internet from my laptop |
| 15:25.44 | nkuttler | jaami: that's just normal routing |
| 15:25.51 | jaami | grep0r: i have usb net on laptop that i need to use on my mobile |
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| 15:26.25 | petn-randall | jaami: You then just want to put eth0 and usb0 on a network bridge. Check out 'man brctl'. |
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| 15:27.18 | jaami | my mobile always says that not in range to adhoc wifi/hotspot while if there is wifi dsl modem around then mobile do connect without any issue. also my tablet see and connect to hotspot from my laptop without any issue |
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| 15:28.05 | jaami | oh k, i try then come comeback if nothing work |
| 15:28.39 | jaami | i think petn-randall 's idea should work for me |
| 15:28.59 | biglama | thanks for the suggestions, i will look into that |
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| 15:29.42 | biglama | petn-randall: so you just run rdiff-backup as a cron job ? |
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| 15:35.23 | jaami | petn-randall: ther eis no info on brctl , i used aptitude search brctl. but nothing was returned. what am missing here? and also one more thing, my eth0 has no connection. because for internet i use usb net. will bridging still work if eth0 is not connected to any network? |
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| 15:37.30 | jaami | have i had enough support for today? |
| 15:37.48 | jaami | or is it my english so bad? |
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| 15:38.52 | jaami | thanks, this adhoc wifi net problem wont get solved ever. |
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| 15:39.16 | teraflops | jaami: are asking for doing bridge on a wireless device? |
| 15:39.23 | teraflops | are you* |
| 15:40.43 | jaami | teraflops: not sure if i need bridge or what. all i need is to use my usb net from my computer |
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| 15:40.53 | jaami | i want to access internet on my mobile |
| 15:41.17 | teraflops | using adhoc? |
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| 15:41.23 | jaami | yes |
| 15:41.51 | jaami | used hotspot by clicking on the hotspot button in wireless network settings |
| 15:42.16 | jaami | but that hotspot is not accessible on mobile while tablet connects to the hotspot |
| 15:42.39 | teraflops | uhm sorry I did not set this stuff in that way ever |
| 15:42.50 | jaami | ah, its easy |
| 15:43.06 | teraflops | yes I see |
| 15:43.09 | teraflops | :P |
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| 15:43.28 | jaami | all you need to do is to make a hotspot from wifi settings and thats it. you can then access internet on your mobile/tablet |
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| 15:44.51 | iateadonut | neat - just learned an advantage of reiserFS also |
| 15:44.59 | jaami | problem is with stupid android mobile that always say that network not in range even if mobile is few inches away from computer |
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| 15:45.41 | iateadonut | what? google search "reiserfs" suggests "reiserfs murders your wife" |
| 15:45.51 | jaami | so i thought if virtual router an be used instead of hotspot then stupid android mobile may get connected |
| 15:46.43 | wols_ | jaami: if you use hostapd then you can create a real hotspot |
| 15:47.18 | wols_ | and no "virtual router" or such nonsense |
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| 15:49.12 | MACscr | what keys are typically stored in /etc/ssh? |
| 15:49.27 | jaami | ahh i see, thanks for the good tip wols_ |
| 15:50.46 | bezaban | MACscr: the host keys. Public ones offered to clients, private kept on server. Used to negotiate session keys |
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| 15:51.17 | bezaban | which are typically symmetrical with ssh if I'm not mistaken |
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| 15:53.38 | wols_ | bezaban: only session keys are symmetric. those are not saved. the private keys for PKI are there |
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| 15:53.52 | MACscr | bezaban: thanks, I asked to soon and i figured it out |
| 15:53.56 | bezaban | wols_: yeah, the session keys :) |
| 15:54.16 | lorenzo | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684630 |
| 15:54.20 | lorenzo | looks like this bug was archived |
| 15:54.21 | wols_ | sorry. didn't read all of it above |
| 15:54.25 | lorenzo | but it affects me too and I can confirm it |
| 15:54.29 | bezaban | wols_: :) |
| 15:54.48 | bezaban | I could have been clearer |
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| 15:55.29 | lorenzo | for some reason it loads uhci_hcd instead of ehci_hcd |
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| 15:56.17 | captaino | hey. i'm trying to do dpkg-reconfiugre keyboard-configuration, but when I finish it I get: |
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| 15:57.08 | captaino | "update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported: falling back to defaults" |
| 15:57.11 | captaino | wtf? |
| 15:57.18 | wols_ | lorenzo: blacklist it and load the proper one manually |
| 15:57.21 | captaino | there is also a bug in the bug tracket, but hasn't got any answers |
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| 16:00.33 | nickaroo | is it possible to use a Radeon X1950 Pro with debian wheezy? I followed the guide at https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary but ended up with a black screen and blinking cursor |
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| 16:01.55 | lorenzo | [ 41.320058] usb 1-6: new high-speed USB device number 3 using ehci_hcd |
| 16:02.01 | lorenzo | yea, I'm getting stuff mounted as 1.1 |
| 16:02.12 | lorenzo | I should get full speed instead of high-speed right? |
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| 16:03.41 | joj | nickaroo: you're most likely out of luck. Your card is very old; catalyst-legacy only goes down to Radeon HD 4000, Radeon HD 3000 and Radeon HD 2000 series GPUs. Because I have a laptop with a gfx card of the same generation: catalyst support for these was dropped in spring 2009. |
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| 16:04.23 | joj | nickaroo: so you need to use the FOSS radeon driver (which works really well on these cards [albeit still slower than fglrx was back then :-(]). |
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| 16:04.51 | joj | nickaroo: but generally speaking, of course you can use that card! |
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| 16:08.02 | lorenzo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.07 | lorenzo | wait, wait, is this usb2.0 speed? |
| 16:08.58 | colo-work | yes |
| 16:08.58 | wols_ | yes |
| 16:09.02 | lorenzo | I'm starting to think that the USB is fine, the machine is just slow by itself ... model name: VIA Esther processor 800MHz |
| 16:09.18 | lorenzo | is a 4-5 minutes boot plausible on this thing? |
| 16:09.27 | wols_ | lorenzo: no |
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| 16:09.47 | lorenzo | the boot process is quick, but LILO takes a lot to open the image |
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| 16:09.51 | wols_ | unless you load a shit ton of stuff and are very RAM constrained. e.g. gnome3 and stuff on 512MB |
| 16:10.03 | wols_ | lorenzo: why do you run lilo? |
| 16:10.21 | lorenzo | wols_, because grub was desperately trying to install itself on the CD drive |
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| 16:10.36 | lorenzo | do you think I could attempt a grub install now that I'm in the machine |
| 16:10.38 | lorenzo | and dump lilo? |
| 16:10.41 | wols_ | yes |
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| 16:11.14 | lorenzo | launched grub-install /dev/block/8:17 |
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| 16:11.37 | lorenzo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.43 | wols_ | lorenzo: you need to run it to /dev/sda |
| 16:12.23 | captaino | hey, i got a thinkpad that doesn't have physical mouse buttons. if I click both mouse buttons at the same time, it doesn't paste stuff like I want it to. It just highlights that area. |
| 16:12.37 | captaino | How can I change it so that both mouse clicks at the same time is a middle mouse click and pastes stuff? |
| 16:12.37 | lorenzo | wols_, same |
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| 16:12.47 | lorenzo | maybe I should just force it, wols_ |
| 16:13.15 | joj | captaino: synclient. man synaptics & man synclient is what you need to read. There should be an option somewhere to enable the desired behaviour |
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| 16:13.32 | lorenzo | it's a usb stick, not real disk ^_^ |
| 16:13.34 | captaino | joj: thanks |
| 16:13.43 | wols_ | lorenzo: a c3 esther is a nromal x86 system. |
| 16:13.52 | wols_ | lorenzo: fdisk -l ? |
| 16:14.14 | lorenzo | oh, my device is /dev/sdb apparently |
| 16:14.21 | wols_ | then what is sda? |
| 16:14.31 | lorenzo | a random internal 64 MB flash |
| 16:14.40 | lorenzo | grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 16:14.43 | lorenzo | Installation finished. No error reported. |
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| 16:14.48 | lorenzo | let's reboot and see what happens |
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| 16:15.03 | nickaroo | joj: it was working but I noticed that when hitting Super/Winkey under Gnome nothing would come up. I assumed this was because there was no acceleration for the card - I can either back out of what I did or wipe and start over as nothing is on the machine |
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| 16:17.11 | lorenzo | wols_, it just opens me a grub> terminal now |
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| 16:18.01 | wols_ | lorenzo: have you created a grub.cfg, e.g. via update-grub? |
| 16:18.11 | lorenzo | shouldn't it do it automagically? |
| 16:18.22 | joj | nickaroo: hmm ... the radeon driver does definitely deliver at least mediocre 3D hardware accel. you can check if that's the case with glxinfo | head, there should be a line "Direct Rendering: Yes" in there. Other than that, I don't eveb know what GNOME's supposed to do at that point. Are you sure the keycode of your Super-Key is properly mapped to Super_L in xkb? |
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| 16:18.51 | wols_ | the installer does. grub-install not necessariy. it should have told you about the kernels it found if it did |
| 16:18.59 | lorenzo | then I'm screwed I think |
| 16:19.16 | lorenzo | is there a way to recover it by booting from this grub> thing? |
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| 16:20.14 | wols_ | yes. type "help". you can load the kernel manually from there but I don't remember how |
| 16:20.19 | lorenzo | let me check |
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| 16:20.28 | wols_ | basically you type the proper commands that are normally in your grub.cfg file |
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| 16:27.18 | lorenzo | by the way, I have to configure some other machines too |
| 16:27.23 | lorenzo | is there a way to run the setup procedure |
| 16:27.25 | lorenzo | via SSH? |
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| 16:27.55 | nickaroo | joj: it's possible super_l wasn't the correct key. I'll have to undo what I've done later tonight and see how it goes. I'd forgotten just how old an X1950 Pro is |
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| 16:28.55 | wols_ | !tell lorenzo about ssh install |
| 16:30.18 | lorenzo | thanks |
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| 16:38.40 | lorenzo | wooo this installing debian over ssh is one of the most exciting things I've seen |
| 16:38.44 | lorenzo | and yes I lead a sad life :D |
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| 16:39.12 | lorenzo | anyway since I'm installing to a USB drive |
| 16:39.20 | lorenzo | should I use something different than ext4? |
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| 16:39.46 | socomm | lorenzo: depends |
| 16:40.10 | wols_ | the main thing you need to look out for are swap and /var. the rest doesn't really matter imho |
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| 16:41.01 | lorenzo | maybe I could use the internal card as swap |
| 16:41.06 | lorenzo | instead of the USB |
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| 16:42.17 | claudiop | Hi. From what i've searched, the next debian release will use the 3.12 linux kernel. Is/will there any way to put nftables working with it(pre-3.13 kernels)? |
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| 16:42.37 | claudiop | *there be any way |
| 16:43.21 | wols_ | claudiop: when has the kernel been frozen? |
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| 16:44.57 | claudiop | wols_: What do you mean? Can the kernel on testing be upgraded before the next stable release? |
| 16:45.44 | claudiop | 3.13 was released about a month or so ago, but i think debian should miss it. But would be nice to have nftables |
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| 16:46.40 | wols_ | claudiop: yes. until it's frozen. which hasn't happened yet |
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| 16:49.55 | jhutchins | claudiop: What do you find in nftables that is superior to the existing system (which I presume is iptables)? |
| 16:50.37 | claudiop | wols_: Forgive my failure, but i misread some news. I should be very stupid to think about a Debian 8 release, when 7 is fairly new |
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| 16:51.53 | claudiop | jhutchins: I need to do a sort of enormous "simple-installation-walk-through-script", and i would like to avoid something that's going to be deprecated |
| 16:52.35 | claudiop | Thats the only reason i have to go with nftables. I don't know nf nor iptables, so right not i have no preference. But i need a rock-solid system |
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| 16:53.15 | claudiop | Both debian and centos, are way behind 3.13 kernel. And i can't use arch to make a demo of the script |
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| 16:54.05 | stmiller | claudiop there are always backport kernels. For instance even now in wheezy you can install a newer kernel from backports. |
| 16:54.36 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.46 | stmiller | Hm, I see. :/ |
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| 16:56.03 | claudiop | So, what would you guys do with my problem? Use iptables, a pray for it not becoming deprecated in the next 3/4 years? |
| 16:56.08 | claudiop | *and |
| 16:56.42 | socomm | claudiop: why would iptables be deprecated? |
| 16:57.05 | jhutchins | claudiop: I doubt they would depricate such a long-term core feature, especially not that quickly. |
| 16:57.41 | jhutchins | claudiop: If anybody tried, there would be much howling and gnashing of teeth and somebody would backport it in about thirty seconds. |
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| 16:58.42 | claudiop | From what you guys know is there anything nft does better, easier or much more efficiently than what ipt currently do? |
| 16:59.07 | claudiop | jhutchins: I see whan you mean :) |
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| 17:00.53 | theseb | help! this stinks ..i think i bricked my laptop somehow....when i reboot now i can't get into bios or boot from usb stick or nothing....just blank screen |
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| 17:01.19 | petn-randall | claudiop: Even in 3.13 you can still use iptables. The iptables interface will still be around for several years, nobody hates anything more than flag days in IT. |
| 17:01.21 | jhutchins | claudiop: According to the Slashdot article nftables "now offers an iptables compatibility layer too", and "Iptables will still be present until NFTables is finished". |
| 17:01.58 | petn-randall | theseb: Sorry to hear, but how is this related to Debian? Have you tried pulling the battery out for 30 secs? |
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| 17:02.18 | jhutchins | theseb: If you can't get into the BIOS, it's not a software problem or anything your Linux system caused. |
| 17:02.31 | theseb | petn-randall: well i was trying to replace windows with linux |
| 17:02.35 | jhutchins | theseb: Do you get status LEDs? |
| 17:02.49 | theseb | jhulst: hmmm |
| 17:03.02 | jhutchins | theseb: How new is the laptop? Was it Windows8? |
| 17:03.08 | theseb | jhulst: yes |
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| 17:03.19 | rotaticus | theseb: remove everything possible (and impossible) and try to boot the stripped mainboard |
| 17:03.34 | jhutchins | theseb: You might have killed the EFI. I don't suppose you made system restore disks before you started? |
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| 17:04.12 | theseb | jhutchins: no i didn't but i don't want to go back to windows 8 anyway...i want to put linux on this laptop even if it kills me |
| 17:04.23 | theseb | rotaticus: makes sense...thanks |
| 17:04.25 | rotaticus | is gfx defunct? |
| 17:04.34 | theseb | rotaticus: talking to me? |
| 17:04.42 | claudiop | petn-randall, jhutchins: Then i'll go with iptables :) BTW, when is NFTables predicted to be finished? Isn't it already stable? :o |
| 17:04.58 | rotaticus | theseb: perhaps is gfx card done ... |
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| 17:05.23 | theseb | rotaticus: funny you mentioned that...i think that means ATI Radeon..and I WAS seeing stuff about that being a problem |
| 17:05.38 | theseb | rotaticus: how could a video card take down a laptop? |
| 17:06.00 | rotaticus | theseb: fire? |
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| 17:06.08 | theseb | huh? |
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| 17:07.23 | jhutchins | claudiop: No, doesn't appear to be stable yet. 3.13 will be the first time people beyond the development team really see anything of it, and the project has alread died off twice, so it could be years. |
| 17:07.24 | rotaticus | theseb: if anything in the laptop would catch fire, it would be the end of the laptop ... and the lap its on ... |
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| 17:08.27 | rotaticus | theseb: if the gfx desoldered itself it would make connections it shouldn't ... but thats just an example |
| 17:08.29 | captaino | hello, can someone help me confiugre my synaptics touchpad in debian? i can't get it to do middle mouse click emulation!!! |
| 17:08.33 | claudiop | jhutchins: Thanks for your help ;) |
| 17:08.35 | captaino | I'm playing around with sysclient but it doesn't work. |
| 17:08.40 | jhutchins | theseb: Newer systems, typically windows8 and particularly laptops, use UEFI instead of the firmware BIOS that we were used to. It's possible to damage/destroy/remove the code that provides that from the hard disk, but you should still be able to boot from restore media. |
| 17:08.44 | captaino | For example: $ synclient EmulateMidButtonTime=250 |
| 17:08.47 | captaino | it didn't do anything. |
| 17:08.58 | captaino | I also plaied around with xinput. But that didn't work either! |
| 17:09.15 | captaino | $ xinput list-props "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" | grep -i mid Synaptics Middle Button Timeout (267):100 |
| 17:09.18 | captaino | for example ^ |
| 17:09.22 | captaino | Any idea what I should try? |
| 17:09.32 | jhutchins | theseb: I thik you best path forward from here would be to contact tech support for the laptop and have them help you get it working again. DO NOT TELL THEM YOU WERE TRYING TO INSTALL LINUX, just that it does not work (and what it does do). |
| 17:09.32 | rotaticus | captaino: tpconfig works here ... |
| 17:09.56 | captaino | rotaticus: tpconfig? |
| 17:10.03 | captaino | let me check it out |
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| 17:10.06 | jhutchins | theseb: If you tell them you were installing Linux, they may try to tell you that voids the waranty. Legally it can't - but just don't go there. |
| 17:10.09 | captaino | rotaticus: what laptop do you have? i have lenovo x240. |
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| 17:10.55 | jhutchins | theseb: You might also want to do a web search of your make & model and the symptoms you're having - it might be a known issue with that hardware. |
| 17:10.56 | rotaticus | captaino: eeepc 701 ... does tha really matter? try the package tpconfig |
| 17:11.07 | captaino | ok |
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| 17:11.57 | captaino | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.57 | captaino | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.00 | captaino | rotaticus: ^ :/ |
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| 17:12.12 | captaino | rotaticus: i want the "make simulatenous clicks simulate middle mouse" |
| 17:12.26 | rotaticus | hm |
| 17:12.47 | jhutchins | theseb: You should also read the install guide, and look for information on installing Linux with UEFI. |
| 17:12.49 | captaino | i've never had this problem before. |
| 17:12.53 | theseb | jhutchins: thanks!...this UEFI sounds like a real pain |
| 17:12.53 | jhutchins | !efi |
| 17:12.53 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 17:12.56 | captaino | and i've had multiple lenovo devices over the years. |
| 17:13.38 | petn-randall | claudiop: Yes, it's stable. But why remove the "old" iptables and break everyone's system and give Distros headaches for no reason? iptables/nftables will still be around for a long time. |
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| 17:15.04 | captaino | i'm getting so pissed off by this! |
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| 17:16.36 | petn-randall | captaino: I thought the x240 has a middle mouse button. Why do you want to emulate another one? |
| 17:17.18 | captaino | it doesn't. |
| 17:17.20 | captaino | x230 has it. |
| 17:17.25 | captaino | x240 doesn't have physical buttons. |
| 17:17.29 | captaino | it only has the touchpad. |
| 17:17.44 | captaino | :/ |
| 17:18.08 | petn-randall | captaino: Oh, that sucks :/ |
| 17:18.28 | petn-randall | keeps his x230 for now. |
| 17:18.52 | captaino | yes... |
| 17:18.58 | captaino | i'm confident it can be fixed somehow |
| 17:19.08 | captaino | but all the documented ways don't work for me :( |
| 17:19.22 | captaino | or maybe i'm trying them wrong |
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| 17:19.43 | koell | i would like to use grep and skip the first 6 lines. how to do it? |
| 17:20.15 | captaino | koell: pipe it first to tail |
| 17:20.36 | captaino | 'tail -n +10' or something |
| 17:20.41 | captaino | or 6 |
| 17:21.01 | koell | thanks |
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| 17:39.13 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 17:39.26 | Guigz | hi |
| 17:39.34 | wfq | what sort of terminal emulator do you usually use? |
| 17:40.26 | wfq | can guess this depends very much on the desktop you are using |
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| 17:52.03 | captaino | grrr! I just can't get middle click emulation to work! |
| 17:52.07 | socomm | wfq: gnome-terminal and yakuake |
| 17:52.08 | captaino | I tried an external mouse and it worked fine. |
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| 17:52.16 | captaino | I tried playing with Xorg.conf and adding Emulate3Buttons |
| 17:52.29 | captaino | I also played with synclient and xinput... |
| 17:52.41 | captaino | The worst thing is that I don't understand how these 3 things are connected. |
| 17:52.50 | captaino | Is it enough to put Emulate3Buttons in Xorg.conf and not have anything in the other two/ |
| 17:52.58 | captaino | Or do I need to fix all three at the same time? |
| 17:53.20 | captaino | This is _very_ annoying. I've already spent 2-3 hours on this task... |
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| 17:54.17 | Walex | captaino: yes, Emulate3Buttons is sufficient. |
| 17:54.27 | Walex | captaino: some mice cannot do chords. |
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| 17:54.53 | captaino | but then why oither people suggest to play with xinput and ingore xorg?!?!?! |
| 17:54.55 | Walex | captaino: 'synclient' only deals with Synaptics pads. |
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| 17:55.05 | captaino | and why doesn't it work in my case, where I've tried all 3 options... |
| 17:55.11 | Walex | captaino: strange suggestion. |
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| 17:55.59 | captaino | i'm ysing this: http://paste.debian.net/80510/ |
| 17:56.14 | captaino | but it just doesn't do it. |
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| 17:56.58 | captaino | i'm afraid that if I don't find the answer to this soon, I will have to switch to fucking Ubuntu... I have work to do tomorrow on this laptop and I can't without paste support... :( |
| 17:56.58 | Walex | captaino: are you trying to do button 1-2 chords with taps? |
| 17:57.09 | captaino | Walex: i don't know what your question means... |
| 17:57.29 | captaino | Walex: i'm trying to emulate the middle click (which does paste) by clicking the two other clicks. |
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| 17:57.37 | captaino | Walex: which has been the default behavior in my experience |
| 17:57.53 | captaino | "two finger click" as they say it |
| 17:57.55 | Walex | captaino: why do you have a Synaptics configuration stanza and/or clickpad buttons? |
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| 17:58.21 | socomm | captaino: did you restart Xorg after enabling 3 button emulation? |
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| 17:58.34 | captaino | socomm: yes |
| 17:58.41 | captaino | Walex: that's how the xorg conf file was from the beginning! |
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| 17:59.04 | captaino | Walex: here is the unedited one: http://paste.debian.net/80511/ |
| 17:59.07 | captaino | this was the default. |
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| 17:59.23 | captaino | the first paste is the one I'm currently using... |
| 17:59.27 | captaino | socomm: yeah :( |
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| 18:00.03 | Walex | captaino: and what kind of mouse are you using? |
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| 18:00.15 | captaino | $ xinput |
| 18:00.15 | captaino | ⎡ Virtual core pointer id=2[master pointer (3)] |
| 18:00.15 | captaino | ⎜ ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer id=4[slave pointer (2)] |
| 18:00.15 | captaino | ⎜ ↳ 2.4GHz 2way RF Receiver id=9[slave pointer (2)] |
| 18:00.15 | captaino | ⎜ ↳ Microsoft Natural® Ergonomic Keyboard 4000id=11[slave pointer (2)] |
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| 18:00.27 | captaino | sorry... |
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| 18:00.38 | captaino | here is xinput http://paste.debian.net/80512/ |
| 18:00.45 | captaino | i'm currently using an external mouse |
| 18:00.54 | captaino | and testing the synaptics touchpad by double clicking on it! |
| 18:01.00 | captaino | ⎜ ↳ 2.4GHz 2way RF Receiver id=9[slave pointer (2)] |
| 18:01.04 | captaino | external mouse ^ |
| 18:01.07 | captaino | ⎜ ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad id=14[slave pointer (2)] |
| 18:01.09 | captaino | synaptics ^ |
| 18:01.27 | fontana | Hello, does Debian have any rules or guidelines concerning packaging of offensive (e.g. racist) content? |
| 18:01.46 | Walex | captaino: have you read the 'man xorg.conf' first few lines of the "INPUTDEVICE SECTION"? |
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| 18:02.18 | wols_ | captaino: and please stop this pasting |
| 18:02.23 | captaino | wols_: sorry |
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| 18:02.25 | captaino | Walex: just read it |
| 18:02.43 | treehouse | zup, creating a chroot environment. Is wheezy what I want? What is wheezy? |
| 18:02.57 | captaino | Walex: i'm starting to get confused by this :( |
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| 18:03.15 | captaino | I admit I don't understand this part of Linux very well, and I'm confused wrt what I have done... |
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| 18:03.23 | Walex | captaino: X input devices are confusing, IIRC there are 4 different protocols involves. |
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| 18:03.58 | Walex | captaino: the Synaptics device should do pasting without any X server config, just using 'synclient'. |
| 18:04.23 | captaino | $ synclient EmulateMidButtonTime=250 |
| 18:04.25 | captaino | is what i've been doing |
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| 18:04.28 | captaino | and it just doesn't work! |
| 18:04.29 | treehouse | Walex: so I heard that u liek mudkipz |
| 18:04.33 | wfq | hi guys |
| 18:05.00 | captaino | Walex: http://paste.debian.net/80514/ |
| 18:05.15 | captaino | this is my synclient! ^ |
| 18:05.30 | captaino | i've tried with different configurations of TapButtons |
| 18:05.37 | wfq | long time out of debian really so sorry for the silly questions. When I have now installed Debian I said to let anyone to log in as root. Basically the user I have created can use sudo which is all that I Need. However I do not remember to have been asked for the root password so I cannot know it |
| 18:05.45 | captaino | Walex: like: |
| 18:05.46 | captaino | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.46 | captaino | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.46 | captaino | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:05.56 | captaino | grrr! just for 3 lines. |
| 18:05.59 | captaino | sorry didn't know. |
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| 18:06.19 | wfq | I am having problems to add a printer via cups because I do not have the root permissions and I don't want to add my user to cups administration group as I do not want to grant this user with such permissions |
| 18:06.23 | Walex | captaino: anything to do with Debian is really harsh :-) |
| 18:06.23 | captaino | Walex: dude, you got any ideas? :/ |
| 18:06.29 | captaino | ikr |
| 18:06.37 | treehouse | lstdb |
| 18:06.42 | wfq | how could I please create a root password? |
| 18:06.49 | Walex | captaino: for the Synapatics you can define a corner of the pad as middle button. |
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| 18:06.56 | treehouse | wfq: sudo passwd |
| 18:06.56 | captaino | Walex: that's terrible though! |
| 18:07.02 | Walex | captaino: or some kind of gesture, like 3 fingers. |
| 18:07.10 | treehouse | wfq: or if you're logged in as root already, just type passwd |
| 18:07.13 | captaino | Walex: i want the regular double click... |
| 18:07.18 | captaino | that's how I've grown up. |
| 18:07.24 | captaino | double click == middle click == paste |
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| 18:08.11 | Walex | captaino: oops sorry I have to go to catch a bus. |
| 18:08.31 | Walex | I'll probably be around later. |
| 18:08.38 | captaino | Walex: thank you! |
| 18:08.40 | captaino | :( |
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| 18:09.05 | workingcats | wfq, konsole, even when i use fluxbox or xfce. i like the default keybindings lol |
| 18:09.09 | tomatosalad_ | So, this probably isn't the best place but its the first place I thought of: the sysadmin has totally booted me off the school network, wired or wireless. I've tried spoofing my MAC and changing my hostname, neither did anything. I'm completely unable to connect. Anything else to try? |
| 18:09.27 | wfq | workingcats, I use Xfce |
| 18:10.10 | workingcats | well konsole is KDE's default, but i like it. it has the default hotkeys and colours and even font size that i like ;) |
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| 18:13.11 | wfq | threesome I just did sudo su |
| 18:13.22 | wfq | I wasn't understanding what was going on sorry |
| 18:13.22 | wfq | thanks |
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| 18:14.11 | wfq | workingcats, shall try konsole. I am going to restart the desktop. See yo in a bit guys |
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| 18:18.34 | tomatosalad_ | Hey, how do I launch GUI programs from bash without losing my console? Is there a flag? |
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| 18:19.59 | xauth | tomatosalad_: append an & |
| 18:20.00 | papiezpolak | app& |
| 18:20.06 | tomatosalad_ | Thanks |
| 18:20.21 | tomatosalad_ | I knew that, actually. Whoops |
| 18:20.24 | centrx | Woops! |
| 18:20.35 | centrx | tomatosalad, You can also press Ctrl-Z and then type "fg" |
| 18:20.44 | centrx | or rather, "bg" |
| 18:21.01 | centrx | tomatosalad, Ctrl-Z "pauses" the program, and then bg starts it running in the background |
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| 18:23.00 | acu | I am running wheezy amd64 as host with one partition / 20 GB (and swap) - however suddenly my 20 GB are gone - and I cannot figure out what exactly fills the hard disk - I use to know a command which will list all files of certain size in order (let's say - I want all files or folders bigger than 20 MB) |
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| 18:23.59 | xauth | acu: du -xa|xdu |
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| 18:24.19 | xauth | hmm |
| 18:24.20 | treehouse | http://pastebin.com/AyiSN34W wtf is going on? |
| 18:24.26 | xauth | du -xa / | xdu |
| 18:25.30 | tomatosalad_ | Is there a way to totally nuke every network setting and config and start fresh? |
| 18:25.51 | xauth | treehouse: dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 18:26.08 | acu | xauth: oK, is there a way to see by mb and in order ? |
| 18:26.13 | treehouse | ty xauth :) |
| 18:26.14 | acu | bigger first - then |
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| 18:26.31 | tomatosalad_ | Er, sorry |
| 18:26.46 | treehouse | I seem to lack a lot of dependencies though. How do you do that in debian? (like with apt-get) |
| 18:26.47 | xauth | acu: hit ? or h (I think) in xdu, it'll give you some help, some keys can sort by size. |
| 18:26.51 | tomatosalad_ | Did that line come throigh |
| 18:27.32 | xauth | treehouse: use --force-depends when installing skype, then run apt-get -f install to resolve the dependencies. |
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| 18:28.45 | Matt_von_Mises | Hi What does it mean if dpkg gives this?: "cancercurecoin-qt depends on libdb4.8++-dev | libdb++-dev; however:" And then it says both dependencies are not installed. |
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| 18:29.11 | treehouse | xauth: I wrote apt-get -f install .. and it removed skype O_o (that's all it did) |
| 18:29.33 | xauth | treehouse: apt-get update to get the i386 package listing. Sorry. |
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| 18:30.02 | Matt_von_Mises | BTW: I did sudo apt-get -f install and it fixed some dependencies but not that one. |
| 18:30.15 | treehouse | xauth, any ideas why it complained when I tried 'apt-get install libasound2' ? |
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| 18:31.24 | xauth | treehouse: not without seeing the complaint :-P |
| 18:31.27 | treehouse | :p |
| 18:31.50 | treehouse | apt-get -f install seems to suggest a lot of packages now.. I suppose I'm on the right track :p |
| 18:32.10 | treehouse | can you see if a program needs more dependencies installed? |
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| 18:37.19 | vipconsult | just installed latest debian and trying to setup autofs , but I think the map execute is broken. Could someone have a look if I am doing somehting wrong |
| 18:37.20 | vipconsult | http://pastebin.com/scgZq9Ap |
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| 18:45.03 | gregc2 | abortman is a faggot |
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| 18:45.05 | _dist | I have two debian (wheezy) installs (setup for kvm) and I've just now noticed that about 30% of their ram is "used" but I can not track down by what (nothing shows in top to explain it). Anyone have an idea? |
| 18:45.07 | gregc2 | abortman is a faggot |
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| 18:46.40 | dast | _dist: ps -e -o pid,vsz,comm= | sort -n -k 2 |
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| 18:46.44 | dast | that should do the trick |
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| 18:51.28 | vipconsult | could you please give some thoughts about my issue ? is this a bug or I am doing something wrong ? Can you reproduce ? |
| 18:51.39 | _dist | dast: thanks, but I'm coming up with 13G used (which makes sense) but top says 115G are used |
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| 18:51.58 | _dist | maybe I'm misunderstanding top, htop etc |
| 18:52.07 | dast | _dist: what does free say? |
| 18:52.36 | _dist | dast: "Mem: 297090380 171985348 125105032 0 223960 38029384" |
| 18:52.46 | ChibaPet | !ops gregc2 being abusive |
| 18:52.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: chibapet complains about: gregc2 being abusive |
| 18:52.52 | dast | try free -h ... im not in the mood of calculating :-P |
| 18:53.23 | _dist | dast: I like humans too, "Mem: 283G 164G 119G 0B 218M 36G" |
| 18:53.31 | Pici | ChibaPet: they're not even in the channel anymore... |
| 18:53.58 | dast | so 164GB in use |
| 18:54.03 | dast | according to those statistics |
| 18:54.07 | ChibaPet | Pici: Oh, hrm, didn't notice that. Sorry. I usually check, but the timestamp was relatively close. (I suppress joins/parts so that floods don't wreck me.) |
| 18:54.11 | _dist | dast: right, but by what I can't find |
| 18:54.37 | peterS | _dist: don't look at the first line of 'free', the second line is much more honest |
| 18:55.10 | peterS | (it does the math for you, subtracting the "used" RAM that is really only being used for disk cache) |
| 18:55.37 | _dist | peterS: you mean this? "-/+ buffers/cache: 127G 155G" |
| 18:55.41 | peterS | yes, that |
| 18:56.24 | _dist | peterS: so what does it mean? 127G used for buffers and caching of? FS? |
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| 18:56.40 | peterS | if you don't count disk cache stuff (and you _want_ all your free RAM to be used for that! Otherwise it's just going to waste), what you have left is 127 GB used for actual processes, and 155 GB not |
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| 18:57.15 | peterS | the 155 GB is free RAM in the sense that much of it is in use for cache stuff, but can be immediately freed if it is needed for anything more urgent |
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| 18:57.34 | _dist | peterS: I think I'm missing something, all my pids added up at 16GB |
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| 18:58.38 | peterS | who knows, maybe the rest of that is a xen dom0 balloon or something |
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| 18:59.33 | peterS | I don't know offhand how 'free' reports xen dom0 RAM |
| 18:59.41 | _dist | peterS: It's kvm only, but yeah maybe. Is there a way to actually list everything? I always assumed ps would, but that's why I ended up coming here cause it wasn't :) |
| 18:59.56 | _dist | peterS: maybe I'll go over to qemu and see if they know |
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| 19:00.03 | peterS | well, kvm represents VMs as actual user processes (unlike xen), so those should be in your 'ps' and 'top' lists already |
| 19:00.18 | _dist | peterS: yeah it is, but it's only one, and only using 8G |
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| 19:01.59 | peterS | _dist: here's a thought: do you have a tmpfs with 96 GB of stuff in it? Check 'grep tmpfs /proc/mounts' to see what filesystems are really RAM disks |
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| 19:02.37 | peterS | then check disk usage on those filesystems (on a normal debian system there can be several tmpfs volumes, but most of them are trivial sized) |
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| 19:03.50 | _dist | peterS: there is a tmpfs with 57G, that'll be in ram? |
| 19:03.55 | peterS | yep |
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| 19:04.19 | peterS | that's what tmpfs means: data is in RAM. (Well, it can spill over into swap, too.) |
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| 19:07.54 | dast | peterS: cool, did not know that |
| 19:09.04 | nmschulte | _dist: peterS: dast: Don't forget about `vmstat`. |
| 19:09.47 | dast | nmschulte: cool, didn't know that either |
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| 19:10.08 | peterS | nmschulte: I run vmstat all the time but I ignore the memory columns, I use it just for swap, I/O, and CPU numbers |
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| 19:10.18 | sssilver_ | Guys, I'm having this after successfully authenticating in Samba -- http://bpaste.net/show/mewJ23Mhyi8gWm6wYOfK/ |
| 19:10.26 | sssilver_ | does anyone know what it means? |
| 19:10.35 | [ahop] | Hello! I have a machine without screen/keyboard, I only connect with SSH |
| 19:10.46 | r00t-err0r | How to resize root partition without going Rescue or Live CD? |
| 19:10.48 | [ahop] | I cannot see why some process didn't start in rc.local |
| 19:10.56 | [ahop] | do you have any idea how to check what happened ? |
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| 19:11.22 | dast | ahop: dmesg |
| 19:11.23 | [ahop] | how can I check later what happened during startup ? |
| 19:11.25 | nmschulte | The kernel makes a choice when a process asks for physical memory: it will reduce the disk cache in an LRU style, or it will swap pages to disk ("swap" space); this is controlled by the 'swapiness' kernel parameter. |
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| 19:11.59 | treehouse | trying to start skype in a chrooted environment. "No protocol specified". Any ideas? :p |
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| 19:12.49 | nmschulte | r00t-err0r: Not sure if there are any tools to live-resize a partition. |
| 19:12.57 | [ahop] | dast, I tried, but it doesn't show anything about what happened at the end of rc.local |
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| 19:13.16 | dast | ahop: /var/log, then? |
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| 19:13.41 | peterS | r00t-err0r: depends on the partition type, really. I mean if this is inside an LVM volume group, it's pretty easy. If it's just a partition on a disk, then of course it depends on whether you have extra space contiguous with the existing partition |
| 19:14.20 | nmschulte | peterS: Which file systems allow resizing while mounted? |
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| 19:14.43 | nmschulte | I imagine anything with a journal is going to be difficult; expansion might be easier than contraction, though. |
| 19:14.53 | peterS | nmschulte: most modern ones allow this. ext{2,3,4}, xfs, jfs.... |
| 19:15.11 | peterS | yeah I'm not sure any of them have online shrink, but they do have online grow |
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| 19:15.42 | [ahop] | dast, what should I look in /var/log ? |
| 19:15.45 | peterS | if you expand an LVM logical volume (lvresize), you can then expand the filesystem that is on it, with 'ext2resize' if it's in the ext2 family |
| 19:15.59 | peterS | (ext2resize will automatically detect the new size of the block device) |
| 19:16.02 | dast | ahop: in the log files to see if anything of interest is in there. Maybe /var/log/messages has something |
| 19:16.17 | frostschutz | peterS, isn't it resize2fs? |
| 19:16.36 | peterS | frostschutz: you are correct. well, we are both correct. But ext2resize is outdated; the modern tool is resize2fs. |
| 19:17.07 | peterS | I guess I'm showing my age. I was remembering a time when ext2resize was the only free tool for this |
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| 19:17.36 | peterS | (resize2fs was written by Ted, the ext2 maintainer, under contract with a non-free software company. He was only _later_ allowed to release it as free software.) |
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| 19:18.39 | peterS | if I remember correctly, resize2fs was originally bundled with a non-free product named Partition Magic |
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| 19:19.34 | Jolt2bolt | I remember i used partition magic!:D |
| 19:19.48 | Jolt2bolt | then came gparted and i stopped to use it |
| 19:20.36 | jhutchins | peterS: Actually, all of the partition resizing tools essentially came from Linux installers. |
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| 19:21.30 | jhutchins | The need to resize DOS and Windows partitions to do dual-boot installs is what created the tools that ended up in Windows. |
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| 19:22.13 | treehouse | how do I see what user I am in debian? |
| 19:22.21 | treehouse | nvm.. it says root on the prompt |
| 19:22.33 | nmschulte | treehouse: try whoami |
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| 19:22.39 | peterS | or id |
| 19:22.56 | jhutchins | treehouse: also echo $USER |
| 19:23.06 | peterS | which tells you about your Freudian nature |
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| 19:23.30 | nmschulte | jhutchins: where does $USER come from? |
| 19:23.52 | peterS | nmschulte: USER is an environment variable set by the 'login' program as it logs you in |
| 19:24.07 | abrotman | enjoys that the spam bot got him... |
| 19:24.34 | peterS | of course you can't really _rely_ on $USER, as it is a read-write variable, it's easy to change it if you want to fool your apps |
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| 19:25.04 | peterS | abrotman: yeah I see it was comparing you to a cigarette. Not sure I understand that one. |
| 19:25.10 | treehouse | how do I add root to the groups audio and video? |
| 19:25.11 | jhutchins | I believe bash uses that variable for the prompt. |
| 19:25.30 | abrotman | peterS: He's angry .. He has many issues, he told me about them in query ... Feel free to ban forever :) |
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| 19:25.47 | peterS | treehouse: 'adduser root audio; adduser root video' - but this shouldn't be needed for root as root implicitly has permission to do all the things those groups permit you to do |
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| 19:26.25 | _dist | peterS, dast, thanks for all your help |
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| 19:26.32 | nmschulte | pero: what part of the system "defines" the login program? Is that Linux (the kernel), or where? |
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| 19:26.52 | jhutchins | treehouse: Yeah, you don't need to add root to groups and probably shouldn't. |
| 19:26.55 | nmschulte | I see the login binary is part of the shadow-utils package. |
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| 19:27.03 | treehouse | I see. |
| 19:27.05 | [ahop] | dast, the command I have at the end of rc.local is "mplayer blah.mp3" which starts my linux as a .... radio ;) |
| 19:27.17 | [ahop] | where can I see the result of this command which is in rc.locaL ? |
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| 19:27.27 | [ahop] | I'd like to see why it didn't start properly |
| 19:27.55 | biketron | Hello everybody.. i have an interresting issue with my sound device on dell studio xps13. The Problem is, that the sound over the headphone connector is pretty bad. The interresting thing is, that if i use the balance control in the sound settings anything sounds right (but mono) and if i turn the control back sound gets worse again. |
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| 19:28.14 | biketron | i already tried loading the snd_hda_intel module with different parameters |
| 19:28.23 | peterS | nmschulte: well properly it isn't always 'login'. anything that can log you in has the responsibility to set things like the USER variable, and the HOME variable, and so on. This would include xdm (the graphical display manager), sshd (which can use login, but also has support for _not_ using login), and the like |
| 19:28.46 | biketron | had somebody here an similar issue befor? |
| 19:28.48 | peterS | nmschulte: for the most part, all of this is abstracted by /lib/pam/*.so and /etc/pam.d/{your_login_program} |
| 19:29.11 | nmschulte | peterS: Yeah, I imagined as much, which is where my question was getting at. What... "body" defines this "login" system, I suppose is my real question. |
| 19:29.50 | treehouse | in chroot: xhost --> unable to open display ":0.0" ........ why? :'( |
| 19:30.13 | peterS | nmschulte: errrr ... when I said /lib/pam/*.so I really meant /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_*.so |
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| 19:30.39 | peterS | nmschulte: but yeah those modules are enabled and configured via files in /etc/pam.d corresponding to the various 'login'-like services |
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| 19:32.29 | [ahop] | any idea @dast ? |
| 19:32.48 | jhutchins | !tell biketron about alsa checklist |
| 19:33.25 | peterS | nmschulte: also many pam modules have manpages, so e.g. 'man pam_env' to find out how to set arbitrary other environment variables for users logging in |
| 19:33.28 | jhutchins | biketron: Actually, the alsa checklist probably won't be much help. |
| 19:33.45 | jhutchins | biketron: Is this problem only with the headphone output? |
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| 19:36.05 | [ahop] | Does anyone know how to see what happened at the end of my rc.local, and why the desired app didn't start ? |
| 19:36.15 | [ahop] | the app is "mplayer ...blah.mp3" |
| 19:36.17 | sandGorgon | aha - looks like systemd has an edge in the previous voting results. |
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| 19:41.19 | iateadonut | i got this message: Message from syslogd@danserver at Feb 6 11:04:41 ... |
| 19:41.19 | iateadonut | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.19 | iateadonut | i'm wondering where debian logs these messages |
| 19:41.31 | biketron | yep already done all this |
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| 19:42.41 | peterS | iateadonut: /var/log/messages usually |
| 19:43.40 | iateadonut | i found it: kern.log - should've just grepped before asking here |
| 19:43.51 | treehouse | how do I get display:0:0 in a chroot environment? |
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| 19:45.57 | peterS | treehouse: the X11 unix sockets live in /tmp, so maybe bind-mount: mount --bind /tmp/.X11-unix /var/chroot/foo/tmp/.X11-unix |
| 19:45.57 | treehouse | No protocol specified xhost: unable to open display ":0.0" |
| 19:46.15 | peterS | treehouse: (may require a 'mkdir' of the target first) |
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| 19:49.12 | iateadonut | if you've got a gz file, and you want to grep through it, how do you do that? |
| 19:49.26 | treehouse | is installing xorg-server on a chroot machine a bad idea? |
| 19:49.41 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 19:49.44 | abrotman | the package is actually 'xorg' .. and it's your chroot, we can't know |
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| 19:50.10 | treehouse | I know less |
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| 19:50.29 | treehouse | trying to jail skype |
| 19:50.41 | iateadonut | iateadonut, zgrep |
| 19:51.08 | iateadonut | treehouse, why would that be a bad idea? |
| 19:51.19 | iateadonut | do you or do you not want that user to access xorg? |
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| 19:51.50 | treehouse | I just want skype to work in that enviroment :3. but I was thinking that installing xorg perhaps would temper with loaded drivers in the kernel etc |
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| 19:53.20 | biketron | still the same :/ I hate bad sound xD |
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| 19:54.44 | Azrael_- | i've got 2 bridges. one is with eth0, the other is a dummy one. this are my iptables-rules: http://pastebin.com/xuv7zXCn but the pings from vif15.0 aren't forwarded to eth0. any idea how to solve this? |
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| 19:55.10 | jhutchins | biketron: Which release and kernel are you on? |
| 19:55.27 | jhutchins | biketron: (I often don't see PMs for days.) |
| 19:56.00 | peterS | Azrael_-: start by making sure /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is 1. That's the number one rule in iptables work. |
| 19:56.14 | Azrael_- | peterS: already done |
| 19:56.17 | peterS | oh... your paste indicates you did that |
| 19:56.20 | Azrael_- | :) |
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| 19:57.23 | peterS | anyway, wait ... you have 2 bridges and you effectively want to create a super-bridge between them? |
| 19:57.28 | peterS | that seems really odd. Why not just one bridge? |
| 19:57.36 | abrotman | they make those in alaska |
| 19:57.47 | peterS | no, they said thanks but no thanks |
| 19:57.51 | abrotman | heh |
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| 19:58.22 | jhutchins | biketron: I had a very similar problem where the sound was dead if the ballance was centered. |
| 19:58.36 | biketron | jhutchins: 3.12.6-2 atm and now testing/jessie but i had the same issue with wheezy and ubuntu |
| 19:58.47 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 19:58.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.9-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.9-1); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.6-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 19:59.00 | treehouse | xhost + .... "caccess control disabled, lients can connect from any host" .. is that bad? |
| 19:59.27 | jhutchins | ,v alsa-base |
| 19:59.28 | judd | Package: alsa-base on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.23+dfsg-2; wheezy: 1.0.25+3~deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.25+3; sid: 1.0.25+3 |
| 19:59.31 | biketron | sry 3.12-1-amd64 |
| 19:59.34 | dondelelcaro | treehouse: yes. that's why you don't use xhost. |
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| 19:59.52 | peterS | Azrael_-: also, for debugging, 'iptables -nL' does not always show all relevant information. Better is 'iptables-save', which dumps an exact representation of your rules (in a way that can be restored with 'iptables-restore', but is also very human-readable) |
| 19:59.53 | dondelelcaro | treehouse: there's no reason to ever use it, and any instructions that tell you to use it are out of date and/or wrong. |
| 20:00.11 | treehouse | dondelelcaro: it's the only way to let localhost connect |
| 20:00.45 | dondelelcaro | treehouse: no, it's not. |
| 20:00.52 | jhutchins | biketron: Well, your kernel's out of sync with jessie, I'd definitely try the current one. |
| 20:00.58 | dondelelcaro | treehouse: that's what xauth is for |
| 20:01.07 | dondelelcaro | treehouse: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 20:01.29 | treehouse | letting a chrooted environment access my screen via localhost |
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| 20:01.46 | treehouse | localhost:0 .. but I'd rather start a new screen for it. Can that be done? |
| 20:02.01 | dondelelcaro | treehouse: so bind mound ~/.Xauthority or similar inside of the chroot, and use it to connect |
| 20:02.05 | treehouse | localhost:1 and forbid skype to access localhost:0? |
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| 20:02.26 | dondelelcaro | treehouse: or alternatively, add an additional xauthority for that machine |
| 20:02.31 | peterS | treehouse: yeah the X socket itself is in /tmp/.X11-unix, and the xauth file is $HOME/.Xauthority - arrange for those two files to exist in your chroot and you should be good |
| 20:02.32 | Azrael_- | peterS: i use the bridge for connecting multiple vms to the second one and route the ips for the vms to this bridge |
| 20:02.34 | dondelelcaro | treehouse: if you want to do that, then you'd use Xnest. |
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| 20:03.06 | peterS | Azrael_-: ok back up a bit. you have your vm bridge and your eth bridge. you want to _route_ between them, or _bridge_ between them? |
| 20:03.11 | jhutchins | treehouse: Yes, you can have multiple X sessions with different users. |
| 20:03.16 | dondelelcaro | treehouse: or something similar which generates an entirely separate X server which runs inside of your existing X server. |
| 20:03.31 | peterS | Azrael_-: these are quite different things, note |
| 20:03.32 | sheap | if a machine is waiting for user input to enter recovery mode after installation from a preseed file, would it continue after a certain amount of time on its own to finish the instructions on the preseed file or would I have to enter recovery mode for it to continue |
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| 20:04.15 | peterS | Azrael_-: (also, you may or may not need your eth bridge. I mean, you shouldn't need it just to route packets to the vif bridge. Maybe you need it for other purposes?) |
| 20:06.10 | Azrael_- | peterS: i'm not allowed to bridge the vms to the internet as the hoster provides a fixed ip/mac-combination. i'm not allowed to send the vm-ip with the mac-address of the main machine |
| 20:06.42 | biketron | jhutchins: yeah i'm updating the kernel right now, but i dont think that this will take any effect |
| 20:06.43 | peterS | Azrael_-: so what you want is _routing_, not _bridging_. Also, if the only thing on the eth bridge is eth0, then you should probably eliminate that bridge, just to simply matters |
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| 20:07.21 | Azrael_- | peterS: you're probably right. |
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| 20:07.49 | Azrael_- | ok, will test it without the primary bridge, will take a minute |
| 20:08.05 | biketron | the special thing on this hardware is that it is an nvidia mcp79 chipset with hybrid graphics.... |
| 20:08.16 | peterS | Azrael_-: on the eth side, you have the host IP and I guess you also have extra IPs that you want to forward to your VMs. How does this work? Will you need to do proxy-arp, or does your hosting provider route all the IPs to your primary IP? |
| 20:09.03 | treehouse | xnest is installed, but how do I use it? |
| 20:09.50 | Azrael_- | peterS: my hosting provider routes all extra ips to my ip but send them with the mac-address he specifies for the vm |
| 20:10.08 | Azrael_- | i guess it worked now as the bridge automatically put eth0 in promiscuous mode |
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| 20:10.20 | Azrael_- | (after adding a route to the vm-bridge it worked now) |
| 20:10.30 | peterS | errrr ... I'm very confused now. earlier you said you could not put eth0 on the vif bridge because you had to use your eth0 MAC address for all external traffic |
| 20:10.43 | peterS | now you say you _do_ need to use the vif MAC addresses for traffic to and from those IPs |
| 20:10.44 | iateadonut | how can i check my cpu temperature? |
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| 20:11.19 | Azrael_- | peterS: that's as far as i remember the requirements of the hoster. checking it out again how he responds |
| 20:11.39 | jhutchins | iateadonut: install lm_sensors and configure, then run "sensors" or use a GUI monitor. |
| 20:11.45 | peterS | if the hosting provider expects to see a specific MAC address for each real IP, then what you really want is a single bridge, with eth0 _and_ all your VM interfaces all on it |
| 20:11.55 | peterS | and no routing at all, just the bridge |
| 20:12.10 | treehouse | can I use Xnest to prevent skype from spying on my screen? |
| 20:12.21 | peterS | (and of course you have to set the mac address for each VM vif, to what your provider expects) |
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| 20:13.46 | Azrael_- | peterS: you're absolutely right, now i'm confused myself and will have to look up the requirements of the hoster again |
| 20:13.47 | biketron | iateadonut: cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp |
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| 20:17.28 | peterS | squints at _Paul's quit message |
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| 20:18.27 | biketron | jhutchins: what was the solution for the problem you had? |
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| 20:19.03 | jhutchins | biketron: Stop going into that office until the PC failed and would not reboot. |
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| 20:19.12 | Walex | captaino: have you solved your chord issue? |
| 20:19.13 | jhutchins | biketron: Besides which, someone stole the speakers. |
| 20:20.05 | captaino | Walex: not entirely |
| 20:20.33 | captaino | i found a way to post with a middle click (the middle position in the touchpad) |
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| 20:20.41 | captaino | but i haven't found a way to paste with double clicks |
| 20:20.46 | Walex | captaino: have you ttied "xev" to see if your mouse is capable of sending chord? |
| 20:22.07 | captaino | no |
| 20:22.07 | captaino | i'm ignoring thsi problem atm |
| 20:22.10 | captaino | because I found other problems to be concerned about |
| 20:22.15 | captaino | like my fonts in emacs etc. |
| 20:22.18 | captaino | give me a few minuites |
| 20:23.29 | Walex | i'll be back in 20min |
| 20:23.35 | Walex | i'll be back in 20=30min |
| 20:23.48 | captaino | kk thanks |
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| 20:24.44 | Azrael_- | peterS: ok, i switched now to bridge mode but now the outgoing packages are using the mac of the host-machine |
| 20:25.38 | peterS | Azrael_-: to be clear: in bridge mode you should not need any iptables rules at all |
| 20:26.00 | peterS | just one bridge with eth0 and all your vif's. I don't think you even need ip_forward = 1 (though it doesn't hurt). |
| 20:26.21 | peterS | at that point, all packets should use the mac addresses of the individual interfaces they are coming to and from |
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| 20:28.04 | Azrael_- | http://pastebin.com/6PS7w4qu <-- this are some small rules which are automatically added by xen but they shouldn't hurt. i agree with you that they should use the individual macs but it doesn't happen. i just can't think why... |
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| 20:28.42 | peterS | ahhh, in iptables-save format. Much easier to read. (: |
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| 20:29.13 | Azrael_- | you're welcome, i already use it for making them persistent |
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| 20:30.08 | peterS | me too - in fact I treat the save file as the canonical data source. when I want to make iptables changes, I edit the file and reload it with iptables-restore. Works great. It is atomic, and will atomically fail if there are any errors in the file |
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| 20:30.26 | Azrael_- | k |
| 20:30.31 | peterS | most people I know do it exactly the opposite way: use iptables -I or -A to modify the tables in place, _then_ save |
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| 20:30.50 | peterS | to me that makes no sense - emacs is a far better interface for editing rules than /sbin/iptables (: |
| 20:30.52 | Azrael_- | that's how i also used it so far. any idea regarding my problem? |
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| 20:31.22 | peterS | well, I have to admit I don't know much about the -m physdev rule type. It seems like none of that should be needed. |
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| 20:32.10 | Azrael_- | just removed this part and still not better. |
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| 20:32.19 | peterS | I have faint memories of having to play with that stuff a bit years ago when trying to bridge to 2 different switches for multi-path (never did get that working all that well), but in the simple case of just a single bridge and a single eth0... doesn't seem necessary |
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| 20:32.54 | Azrael_- | any ideas why the vm-interface is using the mac of eth0 rather the virtual one? |
| 20:33.19 | peterS | Azrael_-: eth0 is in promisc mode? I know bridge code is supposed to set that automatically, but.. |
| 20:33.44 | peterS | (ip link set promisc on dev eth0) |
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| 20:35.18 | peterS | Azrael_-: also, this is _probably_ unrelated, but I had an issue on a bridge once where the underlying eth did not properly turn off lro. Check that just for kicks: 'ethtool -k eth0' should say 'large-receive-offload: off' |
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| 20:35.24 | Azrael_- | no device is in promisc mode. the strange thing: when i ran it with routed networking, the virtual mac was properly used |
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| 20:36.27 | Azrael_- | "netstat -i" doesn't show any "P" for any devices |
| 20:36.38 | Azrael_- | neither bridges nor eth0 |
| 20:37.12 | peterS | well for a bridge to work properly, the physical ethenet interface must be in promisc mode |
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| 20:38.03 | Azrael_- | this seems crazy to me: with routed networking "tcpdump -en -i eth0" showed exactly the desired behaviour |
| 20:38.06 | peterS | the vif's do not have to be - those are just endpoints, they aren't bridging any traffic |
| 20:38.15 | Azrael_- | i know |
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| 20:39.38 | peterS | I've been lied to by tcpdump many times before. usually it just can't figure out how to dump traffic on certain interfaces. but who knows. try pointing tcpdump at the bridge device and see what it thinks |
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| 20:42.29 | Azrael_- | NICE (ironic) |
| 20:42.45 | peterS | eh? |
| 20:43.06 | Azrael_- | sorry, still not understanding everything |
| 20:43.09 | Azrael_- | was to early |
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| 20:45.13 | jhutchins | is there a way to see which NFS shares are mounted? |
| 20:45.29 | Zharf | mount ? |
| 20:45.54 | jhutchins | Zharf: From the server. |
| 20:45.59 | Zharf | oh |
| 20:46.05 | jhutchins | WHich ones are in use. |
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| 20:46.10 | Zharf | no clue, haven't used nfs in yeaars |
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| 20:48.41 | xingu | jhutchins: showmount -d maybe |
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| 20:49.41 | devopsdevildawg | jhutchins: I know you can use showmount -e to show the exports list |
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| 20:50.22 | Azrael_- | ok, i think i see my problem. thought the nat wouldn't interfere. here is it: http://pastebin.com/vLG1T2M6 i also use a xennat-bridge for running vms configured as nat. i think this interferes with it |
| 20:51.11 | Azrael_- | sorry if i omitted this before, didn't want to drown you with everything |
| 20:55.05 | peterS | Azrael_-: NAT?!? Yeah, pretty sure you don't want NAT |
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| 20:55.50 | peterS | because NAT implies routing, and routing means everything comes out as the host IP _and_ therefore the host MAC. which is the behavior you said you don't want |
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| 20:56.12 | peterS | (well I said that slightly wrong. routing means everything gets the host MAC. NAT means everything get the host IP.) |
| 20:56.37 | Azrael_- | peterS: i don't have masses of ips, thus if i just want to test something in a vm, i don't want to provide a public ip to it. thus i want most vms using external ips but for some i want to use nat |
| 20:57.13 | peterS | Azrael_-: hmmmmmmmmm. So you want to have both modes available. I'd have to think about how best to do _that_. |
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| 20:57.47 | Azrael_- | just disabled nat but it still doesn't work for the bridge-mode |
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| 20:58.19 | peterS | Azrael_-: perhaps you're on the right track already. I guess what you want is, if a VM uses an address in 172.22.0.0/24, it uses 172.22.{internal_host_ip} as its gateway and that gets NATed |
| 20:58.40 | peterS | Azrael_-: wait. I think I know what you want. One 'external' bridge and one 'NAT' bridge. |
| 20:58.47 | Azrael_- | exactly |
| 20:58.58 | peterS | Azrael_-: the external bridge has eth0 on it, the internal bridge is only for VMs that want to NAT their outbound traffic |
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| 20:59.04 | Azrael_- | right |
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| 20:59.23 | peterS | so if you give a VM a vif on the ext bridge, you also give it a specific MAC and specific IP, and it Just Works |
| 20:59.39 | Azrael_- | that's how it should be |
| 20:59.40 | peterS | but if you give the VM a vif on the nat bridge, you give it a 172.22 IP and a 172.22 gateway and you NAT it |
| 20:59.55 | Packetstan | hey guys, I'm in the "grub rescue>" mode right now and it seems like some basic grub2 commands are missing. typing "linux" yeilds "unknown command". |
| 21:00.00 | Packetstan | anyone know what is going on there? |
| 21:00.00 | Azrael_- | i'm running a dhcpd for the nat-bridge, but yes |
| 21:00.09 | peterS | right, right. as you should be. |
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| 21:00.30 | peterS | so for the ext bridge, have you got your test VM using the same default gateway as your host uses? |
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| 21:00.39 | Azrael_- | right |
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| 21:00.42 | peterS | (that's how you should have it) |
| 21:01.01 | Azrael_- | (although this is a totally different subnet, but this shouldn't be a problem) |
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| 21:01.41 | peterS | this is getting a bit far afield for #debian. maybe continue in /query? Or maybe nobody else minds.... |
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| 21:23.35 | peterS | wow, channel got all quiet since Azrael_- and I took his networking problem out-of-band |
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| 21:33.07 | Azrael_- | :) |
| 21:33.15 | Azrael_- | seems like i should start another discussion |
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| 21:33.46 | antiwire | hello |
| 21:35.23 | antiwire | Current Debian stable new install, /boot is 1GB (sda1) / is sda2, LUKS on there. I installed grub to sda1 instead of MBR so I know why this is broken right now. The problem is that inside the grub rescue mode, the command "linux" comes back as unknown command. |
| 21:35.29 | antiwire | Is that a bug or am I missing something? |
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| 21:40.04 | sugarpuff | Help appreciated: i want outside connections to be able to connect to 443, on the ip on eth0:0 (*not* eth0), and for that to go to 4434. |
| 21:40.07 | sugarpuff | you would think, from reading online, that's a simple matter of: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d <ip-on-eth0:0> --dport 443 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 4434 |
| 21:40.15 | sugarpuff | but that doesn't work |
| 21:40.24 | sugarpuff | i have an existing rule btw, allowing incoming connections on port 443 on all interfaces/IPs |
| 21:40.52 | sugarpuff | there is a different ip on eth0. e.g. eth0 != eth0:0 |
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| 21:42.03 | devilchaos | Hi folks |
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| 21:42.13 | usrnix | Hi, can anyone diagnose this? http://paste.debian.net/plainh/2548648c I can't install anything because it wants to finish install mysql-server which went bad somehow (Might have something to do with an old, no longer installed or configured to use by apt, external repo for MariaDB) |
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| 21:43.46 | centrx | usrnix, /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
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| 21:44.16 | usrnix | centrx: How can I free it, apt isn't running I don't think |
| 21:44.32 | centrx | Make sure |
| 21:44.36 | centrx | It is debconf, not apt per se |
| 21:44.42 | centrx | Ultimately you can kill the process |
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| 21:45.11 | usrnix | centrx: Do you know a way to make sure it's been killed? I don't see it in top |
| 21:45.48 | centrx | lsof |grep config.dat |
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| 21:46.45 | usrnix | centrx: blank; assuming it is wrong how can I free the resource? |
| 21:48.33 | centrx | I don't know, maybe it is free now |
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| 21:50.03 | aso824 | Hi, there is a separate channel for developers? |
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| 21:50.23 | usrnix | centrx: It's not, that's part of my weird issue here |
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| 21:51.44 | devilchaos | Aso824 prob not this is the only Debian I know of on here |
| 21:52.11 | centrx | usrnix, Search the Web for the error message? |
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| 21:52.25 | DammitJim | is there something special one can use to "eject" a laptop running Debian from a docking station? |
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| 21:52.46 | aso824 | Uhh, so maybe anyone know why gl3w can't initialize under optirun? Program works well and just stop working next time, without reboot x.x |
| 21:53.23 | CissWit | DammitJim: i just eject it. I only have keyboard, mouse and screen on the dock and it doesn't mind if you unplug it without anymore notice. |
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| 21:54.15 | devilchaos | What kind of laptop is it? |
| 21:54.25 | DammitJim | t61p |
| 21:54.33 | DammitJim | I have an external monitor hooked up |
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| 21:54.53 | DammitJim | so, I need to go from double monitors to single |
| 21:54.58 | DammitJim | and from ethernet to wireless |
| 21:55.03 | devilchaos | I have a t42p |
| 21:55.08 | DammitJim | I think the touchpad and trackball works all the time |
| 21:55.23 | DammitJim | I guess I'll just give it a whirl |
| 21:55.31 | DammitJim | it shouldn't have anything to do with my window manager, right? |
| 21:55.51 | CissWit | DammitJim: well, if you want to automatically deal with double screen, then yes it could |
| 21:55.58 | Geniack | hello, i have trouble getting sound in firefox playing youtube videos (even though it did work until yesterday and all i did was an upgrade), also for aoe3 it doesnt work but this might be a more complex problem, sound in vlc works fine, running debian jessie here |
| 21:56.09 | devilchaos | There are work a rounds via lenovo website have you checked that out? |
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| 21:56.32 | DammitJim | no devilchaos, bad on my side, but I always assumed they had nothing to offer helpwise |
| 21:56.39 | DammitJim | I'll check it out |
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| 22:01.33 | devilchaos | Dammijim its thinkwiki.org |
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| 22:09.39 | JordiGH | How do you make dpkg-buildpackage skip the tests? |
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| 22:11.28 | JordiGH | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck dpkg-buildpackage |
| 22:11.29 | JordiGH | Aha. |
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| 22:12.49 | gurgy | hi, im new to linux and when i created my new users they got a $ instead of a # after their names and cant execute any commands... its probably a simple problem but i cant figure it out as google wont recognice # and $ as search terms :/ |
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| 22:14.30 | rgwu | gurgy, what appears in the shell is determined by the PS1 environment variable |
| 22:15.15 | rryoumaa | gurgy: typically # is root |
| 22:15.25 | gurgy | ah okey thanks |
| 22:15.38 | gurgy | but why cant my users execute any commands then? |
| 22:15.46 | rgwu | path problems? |
| 22:16.12 | gurgy | im not sure, first day working with linux :/ |
| 22:16.21 | gurgy | -bash: adduser: command not found |
| 22:16.26 | gurgy | ^^ thats what it says |
| 22:16.26 | rgwu | useradd |
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| 22:16.57 | gurgy | same for sudo |
| 22:17.04 | rryoumaa | (i find useradd vs. adduser confusing; always have to look up which is which :)) |
| 22:17.14 | rgwu | gurgy: try useradd |
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| 22:17.32 | gurgy | -bash: useradd: command not found |
| 22:17.34 | gurgy | same |
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| 22:18.56 | gurgy | the server is clean so i dont think i messed anything up (yet) |
| 22:18.59 | centrx | gurgy, These are superuser commands, they need to be run as root |
| 22:19.07 | gurgy | oh |
| 22:19.11 | gurgy | but how about sudo |
| 22:19.36 | gurgy | -bash: sudo: command not found |
| 22:20.01 | rgwu | gurgy: echo $PATH |
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| 22:20.33 | gurgy | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 22:20.40 | rgwu | /usr/sbin/useradd |
| 22:20.43 | rgwu | try that |
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| 22:20.52 | fasrt | http://goo.gl/Z9QJBV |
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| 22:21.26 | gurgy | rgwu from root or ordianry user? |
| 22:21.35 | rgwu | useradd is a superuser command |
| 22:21.45 | gurgy | ah it worked |
| 22:21.49 | rgwu | fix your path |
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| 22:22.32 | mgc | hi all, when using dpkg-sig with 'passphrase-file' argument, i'm getting a 'gpg E: Signing failed. Error code: 512' error. When I use the password from the file in interactive mode, however, it works successfully. Does anyone know what may be the problem? |
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| 22:24.36 | gurgy | rgwu, in my /etc/login.defs file ? witch one of the variables and to what? and do i have to do this for every user i add? |
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| 22:26.31 | rgwu | gurgy, personally I set paths for all users in /etc/bash.bashrc and their personal ~/.bashrc files can override and modify that if needed. |
| 22:26.40 | rgwu | lots of others do it different ways |
| 22:26.48 | mgc | hi all, when using dpkg-sig with 'passphrase-file' argument, i'm getting a 'gpg E: Signing failed. Error code: 512' error. When I use the password from the file in interactive mode, however, it works successfully. Does anyone know what may be the problem? |
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| 22:27.08 | rgwu | repeating yourself isn't going to help |
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| 22:27.29 | mgc | rgwu, sorry about that :P |
| 22:28.05 | rgwu | mgc, np. Unfortunately, I do not have the answer to your problem. |
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| 22:29.17 | mgc | yeah it's really frustrating, i've tried all sorts of things and googling isn't turning up anything |
| 22:29.43 | gurgy | rgwu, i have the file open in nano now but what line to edit and to why? |
| 22:31.05 | gurgy | not why, what* |
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| 22:33.55 | rgwu | gurgy, google "bashrc tutorial" and you'll find many guides for getting that file set up correctly |
| 22:34.04 | rgwu | many people use /etc/profile instead |
| 22:34.13 | rgwu | or ~/.profile |
| 22:34.20 | mgc | rgwu, is there another channel that youthink may be more appropriate for this issue? |
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| 22:35.46 | rgwu | mgc, someone more qualified than me needs to answer that |
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| 22:37.28 | niteye | what's the de-facto graphical email client for linux ? |
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| 22:37.38 | niteye | like what outlook is to windows, xx is to linux |
| 22:38.01 | centrx | No one in their right minds uses Outlook on Windows |
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| 22:39.17 | vimel | niteye: prolly evolution mail client |
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| 22:39.58 | niteye | see that's why linux is not popular, they should have called it creationism mail client |
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| 22:43.15 | centrx | http://www.sadtrombone.com/ |
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| 22:44.27 | themill | niteye: evolution or icedove (thunderbird) seem to have similar numbers of debian users. (mutt probably has more) |
| 22:45.15 | niteye | mutt is commandline ? |
| 22:45.26 | teraflop | mutt++ |
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| 22:46.41 | rgwu | So there are people that still download their email? |
| 22:46.53 | slept | niteye, are you looking for a certain feature or just trying to pick "the one" with the biggest userbase? |
| 22:47.42 | dondelelcaro | rgwu: Pretty much anyone who uses offlineimap does. |
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| 22:49.27 | niteye | "the one" basically, for some reason i dislike using the browser to check my gmail |
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| 22:51.51 | gurgy | rgwu, hm i played around with it and found out how to se my path so its now PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 22:51.51 | gurgy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.33 | rgwu | log out and back in |
| 22:52.39 | rgwu | or source the file |
| 22:52.42 | gurgy | did that |
| 22:52.44 | gurgy | ? |
| 22:52.50 | gurgy | source the file? |
| 22:53.01 | rgwu | which one did you edit? |
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| 22:53.35 | gurgy | /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 22:54.13 | gurgy | should users have another path than /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 22:54.16 | gurgy | ? |
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| 22:54.38 | slept | niteye, I guess it depends on the environment you use. I wouldn't use kmail with gnome. To see what is most common have a look at http://popcon.debian.org/ . I guess evolution is a good choice and integrates well with gnome. It is "groupware" like outlook with calendar and so on, if you don't mind that you should be fine. It is mature and has been there for ages. |
| 22:54.49 | rgwu | Maybe, if they need to execute binaries that reside elsewhere. |
| 22:55.08 | rgwu | Did you include "export PATH" after the line where you set it? |
| 22:55.17 | gurgy | nope |
| 22:56.22 | rgwu | gurgy, to test the results, try "source /etc/bash.bashrc" |
| 22:56.27 | gurgy | http://puu.sh/6MwAA.png |
| 22:56.32 | gurgy | from rott or user? |
| 22:56.34 | rgwu | gurgy, to avoid logging out and back in |
| 22:56.48 | rgwu | Whichever user you are currently testing with. |
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| 22:57.39 | gurgy | gives no output at all when i use it |
| 22:57.49 | rgwu | The source command? |
| 22:57.53 | gurgy | yupp |
| 22:57.54 | rgwu | good |
| 22:57.58 | gurgy | :) |
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| 22:58.10 | rgwu | Now try "useradd" and see if it worked. |
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| 22:58.25 | gurgy | works |
| 22:58.35 | gurgy | but sudo doesnt work |
| 22:58.38 | gurgy | ? |
| 22:58.53 | rgwu | It resides in /usr/bin |
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| 22:58.57 | rgwu | Is that in your path? |
| 22:59.15 | gurgy | yepp |
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| 23:00.27 | rgwu | gurgy: see if /usr/bin/sudo works |
| 23:00.51 | gurgy | nope |
| 23:01.22 | rgwu | That's where it should be in debian wheezy. |
| 23:01.23 | slept | gurgy, add your user with visudo |
| 23:01.39 | gurgy | oh im so stupid |
| 23:01.44 | gurgy | found the problem |
| 23:01.58 | gurgy | i thought sudu was included in debian by default |
| 23:02.07 | gurgy | apt-get install sudo |
| 23:02.09 | gurgy | solved it |
| 23:02.19 | gurgy | sorry for taking your time |
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| 23:03.00 | gurgy | thank rgwu for helping me :) |
| 23:03.13 | rgwu | gurgy: YW. |
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| 23:19.36 | Imbue | hello. I have a question about auto-login in debian |
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| 23:20.36 | Imbue | the physical security risk of 'turn the computer on -> logged in' is nullified by LUKS passphrase on startup |
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| 23:20.47 | Imbue | is there anything else I should worry about? |
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| 23:23.22 | Imbue | example: if computer is locked, then you cannot gain access without entering password |
| 23:23.37 | Imbue | neither can you kill gdm3 via TTY because that also requires a log in |
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| 23:23.51 | Imbue | I have no ssh server or equivalent running |
| 23:23.55 | Imbue | anything else I'm missing? |
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| 23:25.10 | centrx | What is "auto-login" |
| 23:25.32 | Imbue | centrx: gdm3 has a feature that allows a user to be logged in automatically on boot (well, presumably on start of gdm3) |
| 23:25.56 | Imbue | I have not tried it yet but I am thinking about it because entering two passwords on boot seems silly |
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| 23:51.18 | phogg | Imbue: I think you're right. |
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