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| 00:10.26 | CatMtKing | hello, i'm having an issue where after booting, the screen goes black, like this (http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/842) |
| 00:10.47 | CatMtKing | I tried the solution there, but wasn't able to make the display show |
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| 00:13.21 | CatMtKing | my GPU is a radoen hd 6950 |
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| 00:26.40 | riceandbeans | I can't seem to get my sound working anymore with debian stable |
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| 00:28.15 | magyar | hi, is LD_LIBRARY_PATH relevant in squeeze? How does the system know about the library paths? |
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| 00:28.59 | socomm | magyar: why would that be removed? |
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| 00:30.06 | magyar | socomm: I don't see in when I type env command |
| 00:31.11 | themill | it's only used to override defaults (and is rarely needed) |
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| 00:33.39 | magyar | themill: how can I display the defaults. echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH returns empty |
| 00:34.08 | magyar | ? |
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| 00:41.22 | CatMtKing | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9922949/how-to-print-the-ldlinker-search-path maybe? |
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| 00:48.52 | phogg | CatMtKing: I'm having trouble reconciling what ld --verbose (recommended by that article) tells me and what ld.so.conf.d lists. |
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| 00:49.20 | phogg | obviously there's a something I don't expect happening |
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| 01:02.31 | CatMtKing | phogg: this might be the blind leading the blind, but i reread the link... it seems like `ld --verbose` lists the static linker (ld) paths, and `ld.so.conf.d` lists the dynamic linker paths |
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| 01:11.17 | dz2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.30 | dz2 | Do I need to install a package to fix this> |
| 01:11.32 | dz2 | ? |
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| 01:11.47 | centrx | dz2, Sounds reasonable |
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| 01:14.43 | dz2 | so is there a way to search uninstalled packages for a file? |
| 01:15.13 | themill | dpkg: tell dz2 about apt-file |
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| 01:21.35 | Annobie | I'm a newbie to Debian and Debian politics, and linux, but not to unix and command line in general (i.e. -- I came from OS X, with macports, spending a good portion of my time on the command line.) |
| 01:23.02 | Annobie | And I've been looking, but I really can't find a consistent answer to what level of experience is recommended for running testing/unstable, or whether it's better to run testing or unstable, or a mixed system, or... |
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| 01:23.53 | dvs | Annobie: If you new to Debian then I wouldn't run testing or unstable. And *never* run a mixed system. |
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| 01:24.45 | Annobie | So this thread is wrong? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=15612 |
| 01:25.44 | dvs | Definitely. Plus etch is some time ago. |
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| 01:26.27 | Annobie | Oh. I didn't even look at the date. but why would that make a difference? |
| 01:26.36 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 01:27.39 | dvs | Well, it still holds true today that you should mix releases. |
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| 01:29.08 | centrx | Annobie, Stick with testing |
| 01:29.18 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:29.34 | centrx | As opposed to unstable |
| 01:29.40 | Annobie | dvs: Is that a typo? Should that have been "shouldn't"? |
| 01:29.42 | centrx | Otherwise, stick with stable |
| 01:29.58 | dvs | oops. Yeah. You should not mix releases. |
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| 01:32.09 | Annobie | centrx: See, there are lots of things saying that, but then other places -- and especially this page on the manual ( http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing ) -- seem to say the opposite. |
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| 01:32.43 | centrx | Annobie, That item does not recommend testing at all. |
| 01:33.14 | centrx | Annobie, The main recommendation is: use stable, which I agree with |
| 01:33.30 | dvs | agrees too |
| 01:33.39 | Azrael_- | agrees too |
| 01:34.08 | centrx | Annobie, Between testing and unstable, the only real downside is lack of expedited security updates in testing |
| 01:34.34 | dvs | or possible system crippling bugs in unstable |
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| 01:34.49 | themill | Annobie: being familiar with unix doesn't mean you're familiar with debian package management -- spend some time being comfortable with that before you start trying to find problems for yourself there. |
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| 01:35.11 | Azrael_- | if you have familiarized yourself very much you can still think about switching to unstable/testing and care about the bugs/problems of them |
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| 01:35.29 | centrx | It is easy to upgrade |
| 01:35.44 | abrotman | Not nearly as easy to downgrade |
| 01:36.07 | centrx | The arrow of time points in one direction. |
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| 01:36.20 | Annobie | themill: Could you give me sort of vague categories that I should be comfortable with before I should consider upgrading? |
| 01:36.49 | Azrael_- | upgrading != switching to unstable/testing |
| 01:37.02 | Annobie | Sorry, I meant switching. |
| 01:37.20 | Azrael_- | unstable/testing isn't better, it just provides newer, not so thoroughly tested packages |
| 01:38.39 | dondelelcaro | Annobie: basically, you should have an idea of how to file and fix bugs, you should have backups, and you should have a pretty good idea of how the dependency system works and when it's not safe to upgrade because of broken dependencies |
| 01:38.57 | Azrael_- | my main reason for debian: it is stable like hell and even every upgrade works mostly very smoothly. thus not that much work to administrate it. dunno what reasons you see why you would go for unstable/testing |
| 01:38.57 | dondelelcaro | Annobie: you probably should also be OK with your system occasionally being broken in new and interesting ways for a few days at random |
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| 01:39.46 | vimel | Annobie: im on testing and i could not be happier. it really depends on what you want to do. i use it on a production / gaming / entertainment / work machine. it fits all my needs. its prolly ranks up there as far as the best linux distro ive used to date and ive used plenty. some things are fickle but if you are comfortable with linux you will be fine. also come back here to #debian and this bunch will help. |
| 01:39.49 | [gnubie] | i'm on debian wheezy amd64. anybody knows how to enable unicode characters especially the miscellaneous symbols and pictographs in the console (CLI) and gnome-terminal (X)? anyone? |
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| 01:41.50 | Dixi | i need help.. Something very strange is going on.. Suddenly I cannot perform reboot, or other commands.. |
| 01:41.58 | Dixi | -bash: reboot: command not found |
| 01:42.01 | Annobie | dondelelcaro: I'm pretty sure I'm comfortable with all those -- fixing bugs as in like installing the debug symbols and actively going into and inspecting everything, or like a bit less in depth that that? |
| 01:42.18 | Dixi | if I go to / and perform ls, nothing shows |
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| 01:42.53 | Azrael_- | Dixi: what did you do before this happened? |
| 01:42.59 | centrx | Dixi, What happened before this happened |
| 01:43.01 | Dixi | i performed a DD test |
| 01:43.11 | Dixi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.15 | dvs | uh oh |
| 01:43.18 | vimel | *some 32bit games do not work. specifically games that require ia32* also i have found that xfce is more 'stable' than gnome on jessie. |
| 01:43.25 | Azrael_- | rofl |
| 01:43.29 | Dixi | what? |
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| 01:43.39 | dvs | someone needs a "pal" |
| 01:43.45 | Azrael_- | Dixi: you effectively erased the first 1gb of your system-disk |
| 01:43.47 | centrx | Dixi, So what you are saying is you wrote over your hard drive with zeros? |
| 01:43.55 | Dixi | FFS |
| 01:44.09 | Dixi | i reversed if and of |
| 01:44.12 | Dixi | what can I do? |
| 01:44.20 | Azrael_- | reinstall |
| 01:44.27 | Dixi | please God, tell me theres something other then reinstall? |
| 01:44.30 | Azrael_- | hope you have good backups |
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| 01:44.48 | Dixi | Wait |
| 01:44.49 | Dixi | I got it |
| 01:44.52 | Azrael_- | restore your sysem from backups |
| 01:44.55 | Dixi | no |
| 01:45.01 | Dixi | i cant ftp to it or? |
| 01:45.04 | centrx | Dixi, Were your time machine blue prints on the first 1GB of your disk? |
| 01:45.28 | Dixi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.33 | tomatosalad | Yo, guys, I have a question on behalf of my dad: is there a FOSS program that has the editing capabilities of Adobe Acrobat (not adobe reader). He needs it for work and his company is balking at the price tag |
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| 01:45.40 | Dixi | so I guess its erased a fair amount into /etc etc etc |
| 01:45.52 | abrotman | dpkg: tell tomatosalad about edit pdf |
| 01:45.59 | Dixi | is it possible to sftp from another similar server, thats intact, and copy? |
| 01:46.06 | Azrael_- | Dixi: the only things you can currently access are the files/commands which are present in memory or on other partitions |
| 01:46.08 | Dixi | is that viable? |
| 01:46.18 | tomatosalad | abrotman: bah. |
| 01:46.24 | Dixi | the servers are identical |
| 01:46.45 | dvs | in that case clonezilla is your friend. |
| 01:46.58 | Dixi | a reinstall would be faster.. |
| 01:47.03 | Dixi | i just come from the datacenter.. |
| 01:47.03 | vimel | tomatosalad: you could always copy the text from a PDF to a libreoffice writer document. then save as PDF. thats what i do to circumvent the lack of having a PDF editor. |
| 01:47.13 | Azrael_- | Dixi: :) |
| 01:47.14 | Dixi | so im trying to avoid to having to go out there again... |
| 01:47.24 | Azrael_- | i love my kvm-access :) |
| 01:47.25 | tomatosalad | vimel: nah, he needs something that copies the functionality of Acrobat |
| 01:47.41 | abrotman | tomatosalad: acroread is F, not OSS |
| 01:47.45 | Dixi | Azrael_-, I do too, but it requires a debian cd in the cdrom.. |
| 01:47.54 | Azrael_- | Dixi: pxe |
| 01:48.02 | Dixi | so unless I can sftp and copy from a similar server, then.. I gotta go back |
| 01:48.04 | tomatosalad | abrotman: ...right, and this isn't reader, either. he neads something FOSS that copies the functionality of Acrobat for work |
| 01:48.21 | abrotman | oh, edit, not forms |
| 01:48.30 | Dixi | im gonna try i |
| 01:48.31 | Dixi | it |
| 01:49.25 | Dixi | Has it erased from the first bytes on the drive or? |
| 01:49.30 | abrotman | Dixi: you tell us |
| 01:49.32 | Dixi | or from the first folder and down? |
| 01:49.37 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Dixi about enter |
| 01:49.58 | Azrael_- | Dixi: system partition |
| 01:50.27 | Dixi | then theres no telling what I need to copy from one server to the other :( |
| 01:50.39 | abrotman | So reinstall. |
| 01:50.50 | vimel | ^ |
| 01:50.51 | Azrael_- | so is your boot-loader and file-system start |
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| 01:52.22 | Dixi | could I save it somehow? |
| 01:52.44 | Dixi | one of the servers has rather important data on it |
| 01:53.24 | Azrael_- | depends HOW important. if it is that important you could do a data forensic analysis for searching for the filetypes you want to find |
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| 01:53.36 | Azrael_- | or let specialists do it |
| 01:53.44 | dorito125 | Evening all. I'm working on setting up a KVM and am a little confused about how the bridging works. Is it possible for the host and guest OS'es to have the same external IP? |
| 01:53.51 | Dixi | no, but would I be able to rescue it, with a rescue boot? |
| 01:54.21 | Azrael_- | if they are on the system-partition, you can't rescue it (imho) beside doing data forensic analysis on it |
| 01:54.23 | Dixi | I mean, its probably boot etc thats gone.. The files are on another partition.. |
| 01:55.08 | Dixi | could I try and copy the mount command from another server, and try and mount the partition and copy the files off of it? |
| 01:55.14 | Azrael_- | then rescue boot, search for a tool which can detect+rescue partitions without a valid partition-table present |
| 01:55.49 | Dixi | I havent rebooted it.. So. Anything smart, of the top? |
| 01:55.53 | Azrael_- | perhaps your partition table is still valid, then you can just mount the data-partition using rescue |
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| 01:56.34 | Dixi | crap.. Remote IO error :( |
| 01:56.38 | Azrael_- | the kernel should still have the partition-table loaded. if you find a way how to extract it, you could have a better start but no idea how to accomplish this |
| 01:56.50 | Azrael_- | :) |
| 01:56.53 | abrotman | Dixi: reinstall, or send the drive for recovery. There is nothing you can do |
| 01:57.30 | Dixi | seriously nothing? |
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| 01:57.45 | Azrael_- | no |
| 01:57.46 | abrotman | Okay, keep playing with it .. good luck |
| 01:57.54 | Dixi | and its not just 1 drive.. Its 8 sas drives on a hardware raid.. |
| 01:58.04 | abrotman | And? |
| 01:58.19 | Dixi | so it cant "just" be recovered.. |
| 01:58.41 | Azrael_- | no |
| 01:58.45 | mcurran | what r u trying to do? |
| 01:59.06 | mcurran | if it's dead you want to mount it from a live volume and save any data to a removable drive or another driver |
| 01:59.09 | mcurran | drive |
| 01:59.11 | Azrael_- | mcurran: he zeroed out the first 1gb of his system-partition with dd |
| 01:59.11 | Dixi | i made a reverse dd if of on a disk containing / |
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| 01:59.25 | abrotman | Can we please move on .. |
| 01:59.33 | mcurran | so reinstall the bootloader and hope for the best |
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| 01:59.49 | dvs | abrotman: Why move on? He hasn't got it that he needs to reinstall yet. |
| 02:00.01 | Azrael_- | :) |
| 02:00.04 | mcurran | if it's raid your probably fucked, but if the bios/system still reads it as one disk then your lucky and do what i just said |
| 02:00.30 | Dixi | it does mcurran, its hardware raided disks. |
| 02:00.38 | mcurran | k, so backup |
| 02:00.53 | mcurran | if you can restore the boot sector then i'd try that first |
| 02:00.59 | Dixi | yup |
| 02:01.19 | mcurran | you don't want to fuck up the raid recognition though, so that's kinda iffy |
| 02:01.37 | Dixi | i think I will go into rescue mode, mount the partition I wiped 1 gig from, and copy it off to a new server. |
| 02:01.42 | Dixi | it should be possible.. |
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| 02:02.06 | mcurran | do you have a similar system setup that you could clone the the bytes you wasted? |
| 02:02.14 | rojem | trying to figure out how to enable ssl for apache2 in debian 7.3 |
| 02:02.18 | rojem | any hints? |
| 02:02.28 | Dixi | yes mcurran.. Luckily we use the same servers.. |
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| 02:02.30 | abrotman | rojem: a2enmod ssl |
| 02:02.46 | Dixi | same cpu's, same ram, same disks, etc etc |
| 02:02.49 | mcurran | yeah only packages in repo are sql ssl |
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| 02:02.59 | rojem | abrotman well that was easy, thank you sir |
| 02:03.04 | mcurran | same mobo? |
| 02:03.07 | Dixi | yes |
| 02:03.15 | mcurran | then do that |
| 02:03.16 | Dixi | even same raid cards. |
| 02:03.37 | abrotman | rojem: you still have to configure the server to work correctly |
| 02:03.41 | mcurran | just copy the bytes to a removable with dd and then copy to hd with dd |
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| 02:03.59 | rojem | abrotman oh now your just getting complicated on me :) |
| 02:03.59 | mcurran | how do you even use dd in a raid? it only sees it as one hd? |
| 02:04.00 | Annobie | Also, dondelelcaro: (Sorry, I missed this before) Did you literally mean a few days that it won't work, as in like it's not suitable for a day-to-day laptop? I mean, like, is having a pretty good sense of how to recover, and making sure to back up before doing an apt-get upgrade basically enough to make it a reliable-with-maybe-a-half-hour-recovery-time 90% of the time? |
| 02:04.14 | Dixi | And heres the "funny" thing.. I did this on 3 servers.. |
| 02:04.47 | mcurran | what r u, a meatball? |
| 02:04.54 | Dixi | Although, 2 of them are just installed, new vanillas.. But the last server I tried it on, has streaming material on it. |
| 02:05.23 | Dixi | mcurran, nah.. I just copy pasted the command :/ and only discovered it when I came in here with my "problem".. |
| 02:05.26 | mcurran | you didn't think to try and reboot the first system before you continued on to the others/ |
| 02:05.37 | mcurran | ah |
| 02:05.45 | Dixi | I cant reboot it mcurran.. Reboot is now an unknown command haha. |
| 02:06.09 | mcurran | I've been toasting my debian and arch installs on a regular basis for the past couple months, so don't feel bad |
| 02:06.31 | rojem | abrotman think I got it. READMEs are helpful |
| 02:06.40 | tomatosalad | Hey, guys, I have a head scratcher I need to solve tonight. I got booted off the school wifi a few days ago, and even after changing MAC and hostname, I still can't even connect anymore (even over wired connections). What's going on? What else can I try? |
| 02:06.41 | Dixi | I dont.. Its not that bad. Theres just alot of work on one of the servers, that I would reaaaallyyyy not have to redo... |
| 02:06.51 | rojem | abrotman danke, appreciate pointing me in the right direction |
| 02:07.19 | mcurran | I just had my sid install working perfectly last night and i rebooted this morning and couldn't get x running again. So luckily i was able to throw a few badly coded gnome shell extensions into a separate folder and bam I'm back |
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| 02:07.52 | centrx | I print out the bytes on my hard disk every night so this does not happen |
| 02:08.10 | mcurran | usually not that easy to remember everything I did during the last boot in order to fix, luckily i didn't have to narrow anything down and got lucky on my first guess |
| 02:09.06 | Dixi | AHA |
| 02:09.17 | Dixi | I can go into /sbin and run the mount command |
| 02:09.22 | mcurran | tomatosalad, hacking a nearby WEP AP isn't an option? |
| 02:09.34 | tomatosalad | mcurran: it's all WPA2 |
| 02:09.47 | mcurran | you spoofed your mac and your still blocked? |
| 02:09.55 | tomatosalad | yeah. |
| 02:09.59 | mcurran | that's fucked |
| 02:10.14 | mcurran | what type of security is the school network |
| 02:10.27 | tomatosalad | WPA2, with, uh, "iBoss" |
| 02:10.29 | Azrael_- | perhaps personalized logins? |
| 02:10.50 | tomatosalad | nah. |
| 02:10.54 | tomatosalad | my other devices work |
| 02:11.59 | abrotman | tomatosalad: ask them, not us? |
| 02:12.09 | mcurran | ha, yeah that's a good idea |
| 02:12.19 | mcurran | maybe try a proxy? |
| 02:12.20 | abrotman | Right .. duh |
| 02:12.26 | tomatosalad | abrotman: hell no |
| 02:12.31 | mcurran | change your network device |
| 02:12.32 | tomatosalad | mcurran: nope. not even tor works. |
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| 02:12.37 | mcurran | maybe the mac spoof isn't working |
| 02:12.42 | tomatosalad | doubt it. |
| 02:13.03 | mcurran | thats really the only solid identifier to your machine/you |
| 02:13.25 | abrotman | tomatosalad: seriously .. asking mcurran isn't going to get you anywhere |
| 02:13.26 | tomatosalad | Yeah, I know |
| 02:13.30 | tomatosalad | it's driving me bonkers |
| 02:13.38 | mcurran | are you spoofing the right mac, ie. your wifi card's mac address and not your unused lan card |
| 02:13.47 | Dixi | i seriously cant believe i switched around if and of.. |
| 02:13.51 | Azrael_- | wlan-macs aren't that easily changed as normal nics |
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| 02:13.55 | Dixi | im still in a state of disbelief :D |
| 02:13.59 | abrotman | I'm not |
| 02:14.10 | tomatosalad | I just did the ip link dev wlan0 command or whatever |
| 02:14.31 | mcurran | no, you didn't successfully spoof the mac |
| 02:14.39 | mcurran | and arch sucks |
| 02:14.59 | abrotman | mcurran: you probably want #archlinux ? |
| 02:15.19 | tomatosalad | ah, ok |
| 02:15.26 | tomatosalad | I just followed their tut |
| 02:15.58 | mcurran | no probably not, i tried it and found out it's crap. bunch of unnecessary changes just to be different, fuckin' gay. and most of the users are just dorks |
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| 02:17.17 | tomatosalad | mcurran: hey, don't use gay that way |
| 02:17.27 | mcurran | tomatosalad, try using macchanger for spoofing the mac |
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| 02:17.33 | tomatosalad | mcurran: alright. |
| 02:17.53 | abrotman | mcurran: That's inappropriate. Please take a timeout and try to think of a more constructive things to say |
| 02:18.22 | Azrael_- | :) |
| 02:18.53 | centrx | I was offended by his use of the word "dorks" |
| 02:19.05 | vimel | ;b |
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| 02:20.39 | abrotman | Oh look, and all the noise stopped .. |
| 02:21.02 | dvs | listens to the crickets |
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| 02:25.06 | Annobie | Um, jumping back a bunch in the conversation, but the thing dondelelcaro said: that if I use testing or unstable I should be okay with the system being broken for a few days at random times -- was that hyperbolic? |
| 02:25.29 | abrotman | no? |
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| 02:25.49 | dvs | Annobie: Can you fix a system with no /dev entries? Can you fix a system where the libc library is broken? |
| 02:26.06 | abrotman | Can you fix a system without X? |
| 02:26.12 | vimel | Annobie: ive been using jessie for mm two weeks maybe? and i havent had issues at all like that. maybe minor cosmetic issues or flash not working in fullscreen under gnome 3. i switched to xfce and less issues. |
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| 02:26.29 | dvs | vimel: two weeks aint near enough. |
| 02:26.49 | centrx | Annobie, I have not had a problem with testing being broken in many years, but maybe I don't remember because I am familiar with how the system works (and e.g. I do not boot into X or use Gnome or KDE). Unstable can be more problematic. |
| 02:26.58 | vimel | just giving feedback. im live on it 24 hours a day. just sayin. |
| 02:27.35 | vimel | also, i dont know Annobie's needs either. |
| 02:28.12 | sleepee | anybody used xen under debian? |
| 02:28.36 | Annobie | abrotman: Without X -- definitely. I'm not sure about with no /dev/ entries -- what could cause that? Wouldn't that have to be a kernel issue? And so would copying initrd.img, or maybe parts of /boot from backup solve it? |
| 02:28.37 | dvs | sleepee: ask your real question |
| 02:28.38 | sleepee | i mean used debian for dom0 |
| 02:28.45 | Azrael_- | sleepee: <- |
| 02:29.01 | dvs | Annobie: both those things have happened in the past. |
| 02:29.03 | vimel | i dont know where all this testing is scary talk comes from. i get the idea to expect brokenness i just havent come across those issues. then again im using this as a desktop system. |
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| 02:30.00 | sleepee | i'm actually just curious as to how debian performs and how many tools are available for xen under debian. i want to learn about xen and am trying to choose the right distro that has the best support for xen. |
| 02:30.03 | Azrael_- | vimel: as long as you know enough to fix such problems and can cope with some days without a usable system, no problem, it can just happen |
| 02:30.28 | Azrael_- | sleepee: ##xen it works just fine and the tutorials are good |
| 02:30.45 | vimel | Azrael_-: point made. if i get in a bubble ill ask you all :D |
| 02:31.02 | centrx | Annobie, What is the reason you want to start with testing/unstable? |
| 02:31.15 | Azrael_- | :) |
| 02:31.24 | sleepee | you've used it? |
| 02:31.29 | Azrael_- | i'm using it |
| 02:31.39 | centrx | vimel, Testing used to be more problematic, years ago |
| 02:31.40 | Annobie | dvs: And if libc is broken, boot from a live cd, mount the file system, get and compile libc? |
| 02:31.45 | vimel | i moved over to jessie primarily for gaming. sirlags recommended it and someone else. |
| 02:31.50 | sleepee | cool. thanks for the feedback. |
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| 02:32.33 | vimel | jessie goes stable and it will be a strong candidate to finally replace windows. |
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| 02:33.19 | sleepee | i heard centos and other distros don't support xen as much as debian (maybe becuase red hat is pushing kvm more?). i just wanted to confirm from an actual debian user. |
| 02:33.22 | Annobie | centrx: I'm coming from having emacs24 and newest firefox, and it'd be much easier to just be able to mostly copy profiles and stuff? |
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| 02:33.28 | dvs | Annobie: Those are the problem that have happened to unstable/testing. If you can fix problems like that, then testing shouldn't be a problem. |
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| 02:34.52 | Annobie | centrx: And there are certain features: eg. switching users, that I'd really like from xfce4.10? |
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| 02:35.18 | Annobie | dvs: How common? Like, closer to once a year, or closer to one a month? |
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| 02:35.38 | dvs | Annobie: Closer to once a year. |
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| 02:36.35 | Annobie | I think I could probably handle that? (I mean, were my guesses somewhere near accurate?) |
| 02:37.08 | Derpadong | Anyone having issues wget stuff from dropbox? |
| 02:37.17 | Derpadong | =| |
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| 02:37.28 | dvs | Annobie: They sounded reasonable. (Just have another wa to get onto the Internet) |
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| 02:37.51 | centrx | Annobie, I always use testing on my desktop. |
| 02:38.01 | Azrael_- | gn8 |
| 02:38.26 | Annobie | I'm dual booting Windows, for when I'll need to run non-FOSS programs for a class or something. |
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| 02:39.28 | Annobie | And, I also have a non-rooted Android I can use for looking stuff up. |
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| 02:40.28 | Dixi | Alright.. Im off to the datacenter again. Thanks for the advises and help Azrael_- , abrotman & mcurran |
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| 02:41.51 | foul_owl99 | Hi folks, I just installed nvidia drivers in a fresh install of jessie, but when booting after grub I get a blank screen. I have tried appending "single" to the "linux" line in grub in order to boot into single user mode to try and get some logs, but no luck, I get a black screen after grub still. And I can't seem to get a tty. Any idea how to boot into single user mode? Thanks! |
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| 02:43.57 | Annobie | foul_owl99: Capital or lowercase 'S'? |
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| 02:44.44 | foul_owl99 | lowercase |
| 02:44.49 | foul_owl99 | Actually i tried both |
| 02:45.08 | tomatosalad | So I broke nm-applet by accidentally getting rid of org.gnome-nm-applet.eap, and I can't figure out how to get it back |
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| 02:48.42 | Mongo44 | Anyone have a paste of what the sources list for Jessie should look like? |
| 02:48.59 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Mongo44 about jessie sources.list |
| 02:50.18 | foul_owl99 | Anyone know how to boot into single user mode without changing video settings? |
| 02:50.35 | foul_owl99 | Rather, without grub trying to set some random video mode halfway through booting? |
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| 02:54.26 | Annobie | foul_owl99: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/842 ? Maybe? |
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| 02:55.08 | centrx | foul_owl99, You could add nomodeset to the end of grub's boot line for the kernel. Not sure if this is what you mean |
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| 02:55.32 | Annobie | Also -- have you been pressing Ctrl-X to boot from the modified command? |
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| 02:56.29 | foul_owl99 | F10 |
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| 02:56.39 | foul_owl99 | But it says try F10 or ctrl-X |
| 02:57.01 | foul_owl99 | But of course there is no way to verify it is booting from a modified command |
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| 02:57.59 | foul_owl99 | It's just insane to me that the video mode gets changed when booting single user mode |
| 02:58.07 | Annobie | (I'm just going off searches right now -- not personal experience -- so maybe try what centrx suggests?) |
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| 02:58.39 | Annobie | (Adding " nomodeset" to the end of the boot line?) |
| 02:58.58 | centrx | foul_owl99, It is to support fancy boot screens :( |
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| 02:59.33 | foul_owl99 | Ahh ok nomodeset did the trick!! |
| 02:59.42 | foul_owl99 | Thanks a ton!!!! |
| 02:59.55 | centrx | foul_owl99, You can add that permanently to the boot options in /etc/grubsometing |
| 02:59.56 | foul_owl99 | I was googling for hours "grub setting video mode" etc |
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| 03:00.19 | foul_owl99 | I think recovery mode should have nomodeset by default haha |
| 03:00.40 | centrx | foul_owl99, File a bug :) |
| 03:00.48 | foul_owl99 | Will do |
| 03:00.52 | foul_owl99 | Thanks for the help |
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| 03:01.04 | centrx | foul_owl99, To make it permanent, in /etc/default/grub add nomodeset to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= |
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| 03:03.45 | tomatosalad | Can I just...copy .gnupg and have everything work? |
| 03:03.58 | Annobie | One more question from me: Why does http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing#s3.1 not suggest testing for anything? Should I ignore it? |
| 03:04.18 | rgwu | tomatosalad: everything? |
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| 03:04.34 | tomatosalad | rgwu: GPG |
| 03:04.39 | centrx | Annobie, It looks like it might have been written before testing existed and was never changed. It only mentions testing in the section header. |
| 03:04.54 | abrotman | Annobie: just use wheezy for a month or two .. it won't kill you |
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| 03:05.45 | rgwu | Been using wheezy for 2 years and I'm about to die... |
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| 03:06.36 | centrx | rgwu, wheezy was released less than one year ago... |
| 03:06.42 | rgwu | Lol. |
| 03:06.49 | rgwu | No |
| 03:06.54 | dvs | centrx: wheezy was testing before that. |
| 03:07.05 | Annobie | centrx: Time travel. Obviously. |
| 03:07.22 | rgwu | Needed it for video card support. So I've been using wheezy for about 2 years as I said. |
| 03:07.31 | rgwu | Even when it was "testing". |
| 03:07.54 | centrx | I just follow testing wherever it goes |
| 03:08.04 | rgwu | But listen to abrotman. Use it for a while. |
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| 03:10.38 | Annobie | What sort of things should I get comfortable with before switching? |
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| 03:11.04 | rgwu | from Windows? I suggest diving right in. |
| 03:11.17 | rgwu | You are then forced to get comfortable quickly. |
| 03:11.57 | tomatosalad | So, icedove is hideously outdated. Is there a repository for un-rebranded mozilla software that's up to date? |
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| 03:12.20 | dvs | tomatosalad: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 03:12.28 | tomatosalad | seen that |
| 03:12.32 | abrotman | and? |
| 03:12.55 | dvs | tomatosalad: that site is one day late usually? is that not soon enough? |
| 03:13.04 | themill | not for icedove |
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| 03:13.14 | dvs | smacks his head |
| 03:13.31 | themill | (icedove 24 will hit wheezy/updates quite soon™) |
| 03:13.35 | tomatosalad | dvs: icedove is...like, version 17 |
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| 03:13.39 | tomatosalad | themill: yeah, that's crap |
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| 03:13.43 | foul_owl | clear |
| 03:13.56 | fandi | hi |
| 03:14.07 | themill | tomatosalad: not much changes ever in icedove. Bigger version numbers don't change that. |
| 03:14.14 | Annobie | rgwu: Switching to testing, from stable. I'm coming from OS X, with heavy use of macports. |
| 03:14.18 | fandi | may i know what iso for debian install ? |
| 03:14.41 | tomatosalad | themill: I know that, but it'd be nice to be able to use a current version of enigmail |
| 03:15.09 | rgwu | Annobie: What do you need in testing that stable doesn't provide? |
| 03:15.11 | Annobie | fandi: The suggesting one is the netinstall image. |
| 03:16.03 | tomatosalad | Annobie: hint: using unstable won't kill you *unless* you try to use unstable and stable and testing sources at the same time |
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| 03:16.55 | Annobie | rgwu: A couple of things I'd like: I'm coming from emacs24 and newer firefox, and it'd be a lot easier to mostly copy things over than figure out all my stuff. |
| 03:17.00 | Annobie | fandi: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 03:17.23 | centrx | Annobie, I think you'll like testing. |
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| 03:17.43 | Annobie | rgwu: Also, I'd like the switch users from xfce4.10. |
| 03:18.12 | themill | tomatosalad: enigmail 1.6 works with both v17 and 24. |
| 03:18.21 | tomatosalad | themill: I *know* that |
| 03:18.23 | rgwu | Ah. I guess I'm weird because I'm still using i3-wm. |
| 03:18.28 | fandi | annobie : and how if i need to kvm guest os with virt-builder or |
| 03:18.32 | tomatosalad | themill: but I shouldn't have to use an outdated version if I don't have to |
| 03:18.45 | themill | tomatosalad: so you don't need a newer version of your mail client to use a newer enigmail. |
| 03:18.51 | themill | [14:14] <tomatosalad> themill: I know that, but it'd be nice to be able to use a current version of enigmail |
| 03:18.51 | fandi | i will try it 1st |
| 03:18.53 | tomatosalad | themill: I *know* that |
| 03:19.18 | tomatosalad | I love debian but sometimes the bullheadedness when it comes to EVERYTHING free is insane |
| 03:19.31 | themill | tomatosalad: what's that got to do with anything? |
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| 03:19.54 | tomatosalad | themill: if it weren't for the stupid dedication to the rebranding, it'd be fine. |
| 03:19.57 | Annobie | centrx: 'kay. Have backed up, with switch and stuff. |
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| 03:20.00 | tomatosalad | I mean, I can grab it from the mozilla site |
| 03:20.07 | centrx | fandi, All of the software in the Debian repository is available with the Netinstall, it just downloads from the Internet instead of having pre-made ISOs |
| 03:20.07 | tomatosalad | but it'd be nice to do it with apt |
| 03:20.09 | themill | tomatosalad: that has nothing to do with icedove 24 not being in wheezy |
| 03:20.26 | themill | (or thunderbird 24) |
| 03:21.05 | tomatosalad | Yeah, it kinda does, because v24 binaries exist |
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| 03:21.51 | centrx | tomatosalad, That is not how stable releases work. |
| 03:22.13 | themill | tomatosalad: no. wheezy is a stable release it wouldn't get a new version in any case. (it *might* get a new version if security fixes can't get backported and that will probably be the case here) |
| 03:22.14 | tomatosalad | centrx: why am I unable to get it from unstable, then? |
| 03:22.20 | centrx | tomatosalad, It is in unstable... |
| 03:22.28 | Mongo44 | What packages do I need to view video content in the browser? I already have the contrib nonfree repositories. |
| 03:22.28 | themill | ,v icedove --release unstable |
| 03:22.29 | tomatosalad | centrx: not on my end |
| 03:22.29 | judd | Package: icedove on i386 -- sid: 24.2.0-1 |
| 03:22.42 | tomatosalad | looks at his sources.list |
| 03:22.44 | themill | tomatosalad: that's not debian's problem then... |
| 03:22.55 | vimel | Mongo44: i use totem browser plugin |
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| 03:22.56 | tomatosalad | yeah, everything's there |
| 03:22.59 | rjsalts | apt-get source icedove from unstable and backport yourself? |
| 03:22.59 | tomatosalad | :| |
| 03:23.14 | centrx | tomatosalad, Did you run apt-get update |
| 03:23.16 | vimel | Mongo44: or totem plugin search in synaptic should come up |
| 03:23.25 | tomatosalad | centrx: yup. |
| 03:23.25 | Mongo44 | Alright I will search Totem. |
| 03:23.31 | centrx | tomatosalad, What architecture are you using? |
| 03:23.33 | Mongo44 | Beat me too it. |
| 03:23.37 | centrx | tomatosalad, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=icedove |
| 03:23.38 | tomatosalad | amd64 |
| 03:23.43 | vimel | might even be totem mozilla. |
| 03:24.21 | tomatosalad | wonders if it's a crunchbang issue |
| 03:24.28 | centrx | Aha! He's not even using Debian |
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| 03:24.47 | tomatosalad | centrx: well, effectively, yes I am |
| 03:24.48 | themill | tomatosalad: this is #debian. it's for debian support not for random derivatives we don't know enough about to support |
| 03:25.06 | tomatosalad | it's close enough, it even uses the debian repos :| |
| 03:25.13 | themill | except it clearly isn't. |
| 03:25.33 | tomatosalad | yeah, it is |
| 03:25.40 | tomatosalad | I'm actually having greater issues at the moment, too |
| 03:25.51 | abrotman | tomatosalad: so use #crunchbang for support |
| 03:26.01 | tomatosalad | s'dead |
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| 03:26.03 | tomatosalad | nearly |
| 03:26.18 | rgwu | Guess that leaves you to revive the channel. |
| 03:26.25 | tomatosalad | heh |
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| 03:26.48 | abrotman | tomatosalad: You're offtopic in this channel, please use #crunchbang or ##linux. Good luck. |
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| 03:32.26 | aarcane | Where do I go to get in on the debian init discussions? |
| 03:32.52 | abrotman | aarcane: lots of stuff ot read in the BTS and the mailing lists |
| 03:33.35 | aarcane | BTS? |
| 03:33.48 | aarcane | debhelper, tell aarcane about BTS |
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| 03:34.01 | aarcane | shurgs |
| 03:34.33 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org |
| 03:34.40 | themill | ,bug 727708 |
| 03:34.41 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/727708 in tech-ctte (open): «tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-10-25; last modified: 2014-02-06. |
| 03:34.58 | themill | It's a short read… |
| 03:35.14 | abrotman | talk to you in a week |
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| 03:41.42 | aarcane | o,.,0 |
| 03:41.45 | aarcane | done. |
| 03:43.04 | aarcane | so uh.. That's all well and good, and I just subscribed to a bunch of the debian lists since I'm migrating back to debian finally... How do I respond to a thread that was in discussion prior to my joining ? I'm not all that familiar with the email system's inner workings. |
| 03:43.58 | abrotman | Do you really carE? |
| 03:44.04 | abrotman | Do you have anything useful to contribute? |
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| 03:48.54 | ls__ | must ip_conntrack be turned on from somewhere? i was getting some entries but after a reboot, i can no longer find the file. i thought the state machine is always on? |
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| 03:54.43 | Mongo44 | vimel, Totem don't work. |
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| 03:56.01 | ls__ | okay, after running "modprobe ip_conntrack" i got it back |
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| 03:59.39 | Mattx | Hello |
| 04:00.09 | Mattx | is there any way to config debian so that it kills automatically any app that is consuming too much memory or cpu? -.- |
| 04:00.23 | Mattx | it's the third time today I have to focrce reboot my laptop |
| 04:00.48 | Mattx | due to an application (similar to eclipse) that I'm using |
| 04:01.14 | Mongo44 | I just tried totem-mozilla and that doesn't work |
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| 04:03.09 | Mongo44 | What plugins do I need to view video content in the browser? |
| 04:03.27 | centrx | HTML5 requires none? |
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| 04:09.40 | vimel | Mongo44: it depends on the codec the videos use. for most things google chrome / chromium works with pepperflash already installed. |
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| 04:11.13 | lorenzo | okay, I've set up this samba server |
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| 04:11.26 | lorenzo | but when I copy massive files, at a sustained 12-13 MB/s for 10-15 minutes |
| 04:11.32 | Mongo44 | I got gecko-mediaplayer and flash-nonfree, from what I remember that is all I need. |
| 04:11.33 | lorenzo | it lags out and I get a broken pipe error |
| 04:11.37 | lorenzo | as if the ethernet dropped |
| 04:11.52 | jaggz- | anyone know some calendar software which has a web interface, but which can email a little text (html) grid of the calendar, with a summary of events below? |
| 04:11.57 | lorenzo | and I can't reconnect either |
| 04:12.05 | jaggz- | for personal use with family/friends type thing |
| 04:12.23 | vimel | Mongo44: have you already downloaded and extracted adobe flash linux to the proper directory? |
| 04:12.34 | lorenzo | jaggz-, with gmail you can export the calendar and attach it |
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| 04:13.03 | jaggz- | I need automated .. hmm.. |
| 04:15.29 | Mongo44 | Alright it works now. |
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| 04:24.48 | vimel | cool. |
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| 04:35.51 | nonconvergent | Making a ssh key. |
| 04:36.17 | nonconvergent | What am i doing wrong? 'ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 1024 -c 'tablet' -f ~/tablet_rsa' just says too many arguments. |
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| 04:39.40 | cx-index | nonconvergent: -C instead of -c |
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| 04:44.16 | prem | hi all |
| 04:44.33 | dupingpingorig | hi |
| 04:44.44 | prem | is there a way to capture the websites visited in my debian box in all browsers using a single tool? |
| 04:45.09 | prem | i dont want to install any proxy kind of thing., and it is a standalone machine in my home |
| 04:45.25 | prem | i want to monitor the websites visited by my family members |
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| 05:04.44 | _c3p0 | man, I have this one box that just disappears on the network. If I am at the machine I can ping another machine from it and all is well in the world. But its fucking headless and stashed behind furniture so its a pain in the ass! |
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| 05:05.03 | _c3p0 | its probably the ancient wifi card |
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| 05:05.31 | doomikus | _c3p0: wifi always my second choice |
| 05:05.46 | _c3p0 | yeah, I cannot run ethernet all over the apartment |
| 05:05.54 | doomikus | understand |
| 05:06.06 | biffbaxter | browser-history package used to work with FF and some others...not sure of its compat and status now |
| 05:06.10 | _c3p0 | and the only access point is in the bedroom and the gf hates all my computers in there |
| 05:06.35 | doomikus | GFs see computers as competition |
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| 05:06.58 | _c3p0 | well...she needs to understand I don't see her vibrators as competition. |
| 05:07.03 | _c3p0 | more of an enhancement |
| 05:07.16 | _c3p0 | hah, but I think youre onto something |
| 05:07.26 | doomikus | wow, I have a knack for debian-offtopic no matter where I go |
| 05:07.27 | doomikus | :D |
| 05:07.34 | _c3p0 | she claims its the fans, but yet needs to sleep with a fan on. Explain that logic to me! |
| 05:07.36 | _c3p0 | you cannot! |
| 05:07.52 | doomikus | fan noise from smaller fans can have all the whine etc |
| 05:08.12 | _c3p0 | I guess you just did |
| 05:08.13 | _c3p0 | damnit |
| 05:08.23 | _c3p0 | and this is why I have it stashed next to a couch |
| 05:08.36 | biffbaxter | The vibrator or fan? |
| 05:08.39 | doomikus | I used to own many machines and got tired of it and went esxi host |
| 05:08.44 | _c3p0 | haha |
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| 05:09.15 | _c3p0 | isn't there a license involved with esxi host? |
| 05:09.18 | doomikus | of course, this is just transition until VPS or colo |
| 05:09.34 | doomikus | the free version has limitations, like one phys cpu and 32 GB mem |
| 05:09.43 | doomikus | other things too, but works well for me for now |
| 05:09.50 | biffbaxter | yeah you can run it free...no vmotion, drs, etc |
| 05:09.52 | _c3p0 | yeah, I had the free license, but it expired after six months or something |
| 05:10.02 | _c3p0 | at least it locked me out of my machine when I restarted it |
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| 05:10.31 | doomikus | shouldn't happen any longer. wonder if that was ESX days |
| 05:10.44 | _c3p0 | oh you know it might have been |
| 05:10.47 | polly | is there a channel for debian dev, or is this it? |
| 05:10.57 | doomikus | ESX became ESXi in the end |
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| 05:11.11 | _c3p0 | it was an older server so I couldn't use anything newer than 3.5 I think |
| 05:11.22 | _c3p0 | but I thought it was esxi. |
| 05:11.39 | doomikus | there were days when both were around |
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| 05:11.45 | doomikus | and licensing was diff, I know that much |
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| 05:12.27 | doomikus | but I found I had too many machines not serving a lot of various purposes so for lightweight stuff, why not vm host |
| 05:12.32 | biffbaxter | esxi 5.5 has lifted the mem limit for free version |
| 05:12.44 | doomikus | biffbaxter: beyond 32 gb now? |
| 05:12.46 | biffbaxter | yep |
| 05:12.49 | doomikus | cool |
| 05:12.57 | doomikus | glad I'm running 5.5 and ignorant |
| 05:13.00 | _c3p0 | yeah I hear that. I started to collect a few cast offs from work |
| 05:13.04 | _c3p0 | I really just need two |
| 05:13.10 | biffbaxter | so now unlimited ram but limit to 8vCPU per VM limit...ha |
| 05:13.14 | _c3p0 | one for my media and one for everyday usage |
| 05:13.34 | polly | ????so.... this is the |
| 05:13.41 | polly | ????so.... this is the channel for debian dev? |
| 05:14.08 | doomikus | polly: I am ignorant here as well but I like you and think it SHOULD be the channel you want it to be |
| 05:14.27 | polly | thanks doomikus i like you too |
| 05:14.46 | doomikus | I also vote that we have unicorns made of cupcakes but that's an aside |
| 05:14.50 | polly | i wanna dev for debian |
| 05:15.27 | _c3p0 | well see thats doable, unlike cupcakes made from unicorns |
| 05:15.34 | _c3p0 | they'd probably make a stupid tv show about it too |
| 05:15.47 | polly | sudo apt-get unicorn_cupcakes |
| 05:15.54 | polly | sudo apt-get install unicorn_cupcakes |
| 05:15.57 | doomikus | _c3p0: make the gf happy, but an older and quieter beefcake box and ditch the rest (other than main machine, lappy, smartphone, her machine . . .) |
| 05:16.07 | doomikus | *buy |
| 05:16.35 | _c3p0 | yeah, i'll just move them into the garage where the wifi reaches, and all will be well |
| 05:16.38 | doomikus | polly: I think I'd be ok with just beer |
| 05:16.42 | doomikus | you can bring next time |
| 05:17.03 | doomikus | I'm going to get in trouble on the channel again boys, too much cupcake talk and not enough debian action |
| 05:17.11 | polly | sudo apt-get install beer |
| 05:17.17 | polly | 10-4 god buddy |
| 05:17.49 | polly | debian action? |
| 05:17.55 | doomikus | I'm debian noob, so much to learn :) |
| 05:17.56 | polly | is this the dev-for-deb channel? |
| 05:18.06 | polly | im half noob as well |
| 05:18.12 | doomikus | polly: with all the regular users here, I would doubt it |
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| 05:18.28 | polly | but knowledge is not a problem, so long as you are eager to learn |
| 05:19.00 | doomikus | sure - so many little issues. does gdm run while kdm runs and why? why do I get crackling with multi audio? etc |
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| 05:19.41 | Dixi | did esx become esxi ? and a host? |
| 05:19.43 | polly | cracking with audio sounds like a driver issue |
| 05:19.51 | polly | but like i said ' i am noob' so idk |
| 05:19.53 | doomikus | it isn't always |
| 05:20.02 | doomikus | yep, it's cool |
| 05:20.03 | biffbaxter | I put in a wifi bridge in my place 700mw....works great |
| 05:20.20 | polly | Dixi, i belive esx is now esxi |
| 05:20.21 | Dixi | first of all, esx is esx, and esxi is esxi, second of all, theyre not hosts.. its hypervisors. |
| 05:20.22 | doomikus | biffbaxter: what device and firmware? |
| 05:20.35 | dupingpingorig | hi |
| 05:20.37 | biffbaxter | esx is basically eol but can be used |
| 05:20.41 | biffbaxter | esxi is the future |
| 05:20.49 | polly | fucking fuck. |
| 05:20.54 | polly | steps out |
| 05:20.59 | dupingpingorig | fuseftp have multiple login? |
| 05:21.05 | doomikus | thanks Dixi |
| 05:21.08 | Dixi | yw |
| 05:21.31 | doomikus | my wrist hurts and although I know some of what you said, i'm being type-lazy |
| 05:21.58 | doomikus | my pain is influencing users in a negative way |
| 05:24.30 | tomatosalad | is there a way to grab upgraded unstable dependencies when I do -t unstable install package |
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| 05:27.15 | gasull | Hi. I'm getting a dozen of these errors and it has been days since last time I could successfully update: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/PackagesIndex: Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 05:29.22 | gasull | How can I fix this? |
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| 05:33.25 | gasull | the error is while running sudo aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 05:34.35 | centrx | gasull, What happens if you run: apt-get update |
| 05:36.16 | biffbaxter | did you try another mirror? |
| 05:36.42 | themill | !ftp.us.debian.org |
| 05:36.42 | dpkg | Some mirrors like ftp.us.debian.org have multiple machines serving them in a DNS round robin. This often isn't a problem but if one machine hasn't updated properly or is down, this can cause apt to complain (e.g. with hashsum mismatch). Instead, use a mirror redirector (ask me about <http.debian.net>) or pick an individual mirror that is close to you (ask me about <mirrors>). |
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| 05:37.14 | gasull | I meant the problem happens with sudo aptitude update. sudo apt-get update throws the same errors. |
| 05:37.15 | biffbaxter | yes..have seen that |
| 05:37.54 | gasull | centrx, biffbaxter: Is it a temporary problem or should I use a mirror from now on for some reason? |
| 05:38.23 | gasull | I have another laptop pointing to the same servers, and it updates fine |
| 05:38.37 | gasull | But I usually run it in another network, not at home. |
| 05:38.47 | centrx | gasull, I would use netselect-apt to find the fastest mirror for my location |
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| 05:39.14 | gasull | centrx: thx |
| 05:39.49 | themill | or even better, use http.debian.net to always get a non-broken mirror |
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| 05:41.04 | gasull | themill: thanks, I'll do that |
| 05:41.21 | gasull | centrx: actually I don't have netselect-apt installed |
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| 05:42.38 | biffbaxter | the problem will likely go away on its own as the site gets back in sync likely...probably have a file with a date off by a day |
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| 05:44.20 | gasull | How do I know http.debian.net is trustworthy? |
| 05:44.41 | themill | gasull: all debian Release files are gpg signed and apt knows which keys to trust |
| 05:44.47 | themill | dpkg: tell gasull about secure apt |
| 05:45.12 | gasull | themill: right. |
| 05:45.36 | gasull | themill: true, secure channel isn't needed because they are signed |
| 05:45.44 | gasull | thanks |
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| 05:46.28 | themill | mirrors like ftp.us.d.o aren't run by the debian project in any case -- they're mostly universities and a few companies that just provide mirror hosting for lots of different projects |
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| 05:47.21 | centrx | and debian.net is a Debian domain too |
| 05:47.30 | Some_Person | is having trouble with bluetooth |
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| 05:50.02 | Some_Person | stupid AR3011 |
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| 05:51.29 | Al3xG0 | Anyone know where i find drivers for my card SAPPHIRE HD 7970 3GB GDDR5 OC? |
| 05:52.27 | centrx | Sounds like a Radeon |
| 05:52.56 | centrx | xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
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| 05:53.05 | centrx | There is also fglrx |
| 05:54.16 | vimel | i wonder if amd works on debian. from what ive been reading nvidia is more compatible |
| 05:54.29 | vimel | w debian that is. |
| 05:54.34 | Al3xG0 | centrx all card is packpage? |
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| 05:55.02 | biffbaxter | bitcoin mining eh? |
| 05:55.04 | centrx | Al3xG0, Yes, drivers are generally by the chipset |
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| 05:55.23 | Al3xG0 | biffbaxter no i´m gamer |
| 05:55.25 | Al3xG0 | :) |
| 05:55.49 | vimel | Al3xG0: let me know if it works. what release are you using? |
| 05:56.17 | vimel | i read that amd just came out with catalyst 14 beta drivers with mantle only on windows tho :( |
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| 05:56.55 | Al3xG0 | not like the catalyst |
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| 06:00.58 | biffbaxter | AMD site has catalyst 14 beta drivers for linux |
| 06:01.16 | vimel | nice mustve just came out |
| 06:01.22 | vimel | i know they released windows first |
| 06:01.32 | biffbaxter | yep....feb 1st |
| 06:01.37 | vimel | id like to test a kaveri build on jessie |
| 06:01.42 | vimel | cool ty |
| 06:01.55 | biffbaxter | np |
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| 07:06.09 | indieross | http://youtu.be/EJ8RAopCn18 - does anybody know why my theme might be causing this bug? |
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| 07:06.20 | indieross | i have pretty much the same exact setup on my laptop and i dont have that issue |
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| 07:07.17 | littlebit | hi people, I have been trying to create a new user in the postgresql command interface and I get this result: http://pastebin.com/3F2BFfp3 |
| 07:07.30 | littlebit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:12.43 | wood_quinn | Server log: http://sprunge.us/deLY Client log: http://sprunge.us/ScAC |
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| 07:17.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't have bind running |
| 07:19.11 | wood_quinn | Yes I do. |
| 07:19.17 | wood_quinn | I can connect directly to bind fine. |
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| 07:20.13 | dupingpingorig | hi guys |
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| 07:26.17 | shawnbon206_ | http://hastebin.com/jucosaneca.pas <--- any idea what this could mean? |
| 07:27.11 | shawnbon206_ | oh i need to apt-get update lol |
| 07:27.16 | shawnbon206_ | duuur! |
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| 07:49.37 | lorenzo | is there a way to get security updates only? |
| 07:50.47 | stojic | lorenzo: stable release (currently wheezy) receives only security updates |
| 07:50.55 | lorenzo | ah wow |
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| 07:51.34 | wood_quinn | And the other updates. |
| 07:51.38 | wood_quinn | It recieves those too. |
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| 07:54.55 | kaisen | MAybe that helps? |
| 07:54.56 | kaisen | http://askubuntu.com/questions/194/how-can-i-install-just-security-updates-from-the-command-line |
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| 07:55.39 | lorenzo | or maybe I should just leave security.debian in the repos |
| 07:55.47 | lorenzo | another question, why do most distros ship with a mail server ? :) |
| 07:55.54 | lorenzo | like exim4 |
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| 07:56.24 | kaisen | To send mails from the server to client in case of failure of a service? |
| 07:57.27 | lorenzo | kaisen, ah :/ |
| 07:57.36 | kaisen | Just joking |
| 07:57.37 | lorenzo | but has it got to do with other kind of messages too? |
| 07:57.41 | lorenzo | like syslog exchanges |
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| 07:57.47 | lorenzo | from a remote machine |
| 07:58.16 | wood_quinn | Local mail delivery requires a mail server. |
| 07:58.18 | wood_quinn | That's why. |
| 07:58.27 | kaisen | I'm setting up right now a debian webserver and searching after a solution to get messages from |
| 07:58.29 | kaisen | it |
| 07:58.57 | kaisen | I have a exchange - so I want to connect my machine to it to get mails |
| 07:59.25 | kaisen | but I don'T find if there is a "global" client to configure or if I need to configure each service to use the exchange to send mails |
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| 08:22.02 | wood_quinn | So no one knows why my stunnel is acting a fool? |
| 08:23.14 | jmd | wood_quinn: No. No one knows. |
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| 08:24.32 | wood_quinn | Clearly. |
| 08:24.54 | wood_quinn | I always enjoy these excurisions to large Unix-like channels on Freenode. |
| 08:25.11 | wood_quinn | Abound with questions about file permissions and apt-get. |
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| 08:34.42 | martin-_-_ | morning wood_quinn |
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| 08:54.15 | rdz | hi all. is there a way to display the full Debian version in motd? |
| 08:54.43 | vimel | you will just have to edit motd with nano. |
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| 08:55.07 | vimel | nano /etc/motd |
| 08:55.44 | rdz | vimel, thanks.. i didn't make myself clear.. i'd like to display the debian version automatically.. so that when it changes, it is displayed accordingly |
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| 08:57.48 | treehouse | how do I if I set DISPLAY to :1 , and start gedit, gedit tries to use display :0 anyway :(. I don't want that |
| 08:58.36 | jmd | treehouse: Odd. How are you starting it, and how are you setting it? |
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| 09:00.10 | rdz | ah. there is a /etc/init.d/motd script, which updates the dynamic part of motd |
| 09:00.31 | treehouse | jmd: DISPLAY=:1;export DISPLAY ....... it works now suddenly, after I've installed xorg |
| 09:00.51 | treehouse | gedit --display :1 worked earlier, when xorg wasn't installed |
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| 09:01.20 | jmd | How the hell did gedit do anything if you didn't have an xserver? |
| 09:01.55 | treehouse | I have an xserver, but I'm trying to access it form an chroot environment |
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| 09:08.01 | romm | Hey. I'm trying to read the init system discussion on gmane, but it seems to duplicate messages. Is there a better threaded list archive? |
| 09:08.35 | wood_quinn | My socat log is here: http://sprunge.us/GXFd |
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| 09:10.31 | treehouse | if I want to make my gedit window an actual window (it's now just a flat edit box at the top-left in the dark, more or less), how do I do that? Do I need a windowmanager or what? |
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| 09:12.26 | wood_quinn | As you've already been told, yes. |
| 09:12.34 | wood_quinn | If you want a window, you need a window manager. |
| 09:12.44 | wood_quinn | As you've also already been told, one comes with X. |
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| 09:15.14 | treehouse | any suggestions on a window manager though? That's not a desktop (don't need that) |
| 09:15.28 | treehouse | does it? I can't move windows |
| 09:15.30 | vimel | awesome, openbox |
| 09:16.36 | jmd | treehouse: I recommend ratpoison |
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| 09:18.40 | shawnbon206_ | yo |
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| 09:19.39 | treehouse | vimel: lol thanks. Thought you meant "awesome (as a response to what someone else said)" and then "openbox (was talking about something else with someone else)" |
| 09:20.05 | vimel | hehe np |
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| 09:21.16 | shawnbon206_ | openbox is awesome |
| 09:21.25 | shawnbon206_ | awesome is not awesome |
| 09:21.37 | shawnbon206_ | see what i did there^ ? |
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| 09:23.42 | treehouse | metacity is the only one I could apt-get right now. Hope it wont suck |
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| 09:24.33 | vimel | fluxbox |
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| 09:30.02 | babinlonston | Hi All, I have 2 server's 192.168.0.30 has apt-cache-ng server and squid running in 192.168.0.15, Now while I'm trying to apt-get update or apt-get install some package its showing error as its not connecting to apt-cache server 192.168.0.30 , how can i fix this |
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| 09:31.40 | msuszczy | hello can anyone help me fixing an issue with apt-get: http://pastebin.com/KBq7s90Y in jessie pls |
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| 09:33.13 | nkuttler | babinlonston: what does squid have to do with this? |
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| 09:33.41 | nkuttler | msuszczy: do what apt-get suggests |
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| 09:35.24 | nkuttler | msuszczy: oh, wait.. fix the rm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 09:38.27 | msuszczy | nkuttler: apt-get -f install doesn't help me in this case and what script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ should I look for exactly? |
| 09:38.43 | nkuttler | msuszczy: the rm script that fails, then remove the package |
| 09:38.59 | nkuttler | msuszczy: if you need more help with testing, #debian-next on oftc is there for you |
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| 09:41.18 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 09:44.10 | msuszczy | nkuttler: your solution works great I've just fixed the problem, thx a lot! |
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| 09:52.29 | mantas | how to search for new program version? when I do apt-cache search it shows packages without versions |
| 09:53.46 | mantas | found. apt-cache policy |
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| 09:58.34 | damasceno | Hello, I need to mount one specific directory from the server X on the server Y using sshfs. It's working fine but when I try to set the user restriction it doesn't work. The owner of the directory is called damasceno but if I try to list this directory I see: d????????? ? ? ? ? ? directory. Does anyone know what's the problem? I typed sshfs adsender4:/backups /backups/adsender4 -o idmap=user,uid=1030 (where |
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| 09:59.30 | entity | hello i have a vnc server running on my local machine and i can conect to it using vncviewer, but i'm only interested in connecting to it from terminal, i.e. start a program on vncserver, but don't display it in my current x server |
| 09:59.35 | entity | hope that makes sense |
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| 10:00.09 | entity | basically, i want to run a vncserver without a xserver |
| 10:00.40 | entity | well, the x server should be running in ther vncserver |
| 10:00.51 | entity | but i don't want to run a local x server as well |
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| 10:02.00 | entity | i want a sutiation, where i start up debian, but don't start an xserver |
| 10:02.05 | entity | so i only have a tty |
| 10:02.23 | entity | and now, i want to start a vncserver and run a program on it |
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| 10:02.39 | entity | but *from* the tty |
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| 10:03.32 | entity | i. e. run a vncserver on a headless setup (no monitor) |
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| 10:04.34 | entity | or would it be simpler to setup xserver to run without an actuall pc screen connected? |
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| 10:05.24 | entity | performace is very important to me as well, using fglrx ati drivers |
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| 10:06.41 | entity | (this is for cryptocurrency gpu mining, if that helps anyway |
| 10:06.45 | rgr | performance?!?!? |
| 10:07.03 | rgr | you want a remote machine connecting to the headless one to have good gfx performance? |
| 10:07.18 | rgr | rereading your reqs |
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| 10:08.00 | entity | rgr: i don't want to "view" the program, it doesn't have any gui and runs from terminal |
| 10:08.01 | rgr | when you sa "from the tty" you mean from a remote PC? It's totally all over the place. |
| 10:08.12 | entity | but the program requires a running x server to access the gpu |
| 10:08.19 | rgr | what program from where? |
| 10:08.27 | rgr | lets start again. |
| 10:08.54 | entity | okay, i have a program, that requires a running x server to function properly |
| 10:08.55 | rgr | you have a machine in a cupboard. lets call it a "server". agreed? No monitor and no need for an X desktop? |
| 10:09.09 | entity | but it doesn't render anything, it only uses opencl to compute |
| 10:09.13 | rgr | stop |
| 10:09.14 | entity | yup |
| 10:09.52 | rgr | and on this "server" you want to run a CPU intensive daemon or process. |
| 10:10.01 | entity | gpu intensive, yes |
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| 10:10.56 | rgr | in what way "gpu intensive"? |
| 10:11.17 | entity | well, you know opencl? it's like cuda for ati cards |
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| 10:13.15 | entity | it require a running x server for the gpu driver to work properly |
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| 10:13.31 | entity | but it has no gui and is ran from a terminal |
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| 10:13.53 | rgr | I was going to say it would probably need xserver to work. |
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| 10:14.19 | rgr | why not not worry about it and just dont log anyone in from gdm/xdm? No overhead. |
| 10:14.22 | Azrael_- | i want to remotely connect to a linux-machine with a gui. i know there was something else beside xserver forwarding but i can't remember it |
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| 10:14.46 | rgr | ssh -X? |
| 10:14.54 | rgr | oh you dont want that? |
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| 10:15.37 | rgr | I'd suggest you ask the peopoe using opencl. This must be a very common requirement and I bet there are tailored startups for just such satellite servers. |
| 10:16.29 | entity | good idea, i'll go ask in #opencl |
| 10:16.41 | shawnbon206_ | vnc? |
| 10:16.49 | entity | thank you for talking to me anyway, rgr :) |
| 10:17.15 | entity | shawnbon206_: as in vncserver |
| 10:17.22 | Azrael_- | "nomachine" is what i searched |
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| 10:17.26 | entity | http://www.tightvnc.com/vncserver.1.php |
| 10:17.42 | Azrael_- | rgr: no idea regarding gpu-acceleration but could be also interesting for you |
| 10:17.55 | rgr | I'd find their forums. I suspect the irc channel will be a void. |
| 10:18.01 | rgr | but give it a go. |
| 10:18.30 | shawnbon206_ | vnc4server |
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| 10:18.56 | shawnbon206_ | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/vnc.htm |
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| 10:20.02 | shawnbon206_ | i switched to fedora |
| 10:20.10 | shawnbon206_ | tell me i am crazy |
| 10:20.28 | Azrael_- | anybody used neatx so far? |
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| 10:22.12 | Azrael_- | rgr: http://opennx.net |
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| 10:24.12 | jmd | I want to set up my laptop with two completely different configurations, (eg /etc/fstab, /etc/interfaces etc) to be selected at boot time. What is the best way to achieve this? |
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| 10:37.32 | romm | jmd: Maybe perform a symlink early in the boot process? |
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| 10:40.08 | tremon | jmd: create two installs (i.e. two separate root filesystems). Don't share anything but /home between them |
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| 10:48.53 | crane | is there a manpage for /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf ? |
| 10:49.01 | crane | and if yes... how do i access it? |
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| 10:49.56 | colo-work | crane, try `man 7 ip` |
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| 10:51.37 | crane | colo-work, looks pretty close but more like /proc/sys/net/ipv*/ |
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| 10:52.30 | crane | colo-work, i would like to know what send_redirects and the others are used for |
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| 10:53.47 | colo-work | crane, that's kept in the kernel source tree. check https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/ip-sysctl.txt for an online copy |
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| 10:54.50 | crane | colo-work, aah. that will do it also. thx! :) |
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| 10:57.35 | Damncold | Hi all |
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| 10:58.18 | Damncold | can you tell me, whats the easiest way to get a package + all depedencies for an ofline installation on an other machine? |
| 10:58.39 | tremon | !apt-offline |
| 10:58.40 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html . Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>. |
| 10:59.41 | Damncold | thx i will have a look on that |
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| 11:02.47 | Damncold | and it will install all necessary packages in the right order on the offline machine? |
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| 11:03.34 | tremon | the installation is still performed by apt, so yes |
| 11:03.38 | Ben64 | do you guys have a persian channel? |
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| 11:04.50 | Ben64 | !ir |
| 11:04.50 | dpkg | IrDA is an infrared wireless communication standard. To use on Debian systems: enable infrared in BIOS (if built-in), install the irda-utils package (its init script starts irattach by default), enable infrared on the other device, "cat /proc/net/irda/discovery" / irdadump to test. To provide /dev/ircomm* devices, "modprobe ircomm-tty". See also irda-utils' README.Debian. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Infrared-HOWTO/ Not for CIR, see <lirc>. |
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| 11:12.27 | joltcan | Oh, IrDA was awesome for tethering back in the old days *dreams back to 2004* |
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| 11:14.57 | djbln | $) |
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| 11:17.21 | nkuttler | joltcan: no, it never was :\ |
| 11:17.43 | nkuttler | i mean, it worked, but meh |
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| 11:19.31 | joltcan | well, my edge connection didn't have much speed back then either, but sure it did |
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| 11:22.52 | djbln | so |
| 11:23.03 | djbln | where is justlan.ru? |
| 11:23.15 | djbln | irc.justlan.ru |
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| 11:32.50 | waqstar | Which is the best way to clone a dick volume. I currently use dd, it seems very slow. Is there a better alternative overall? |
| 11:33.17 | napcae | a dick volume. interesting |
| 11:33.24 | waqstar | disk |
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| 11:33.31 | waqstar | Lol |
| 11:33.38 | napcae | scnr |
| 11:33.45 | djbln | what your dick volume? |
| 11:34.02 | ChrisH | waqstar: could be a mirror, rsync... depends on the data |
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| 11:34.54 | Dixi | Question, whilst running ifenslave (nic bonding), is it possible to add several IP's to bond0, as per the usual way (i.e eth0:0), but with bond0:0 ? |
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| 11:35.26 | waqstar | ChrisH, The DISK volumes are local. dd takes too long! |
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| 11:36.18 | patriku | I have just installed debian in vmware on windows host. It is at work where proxy is used if that matters in virtual machine, which I believe it doesnt |
| 11:36.29 | patriku | but i cannot connect to internet |
| 11:36.43 | patriku | but i can ping hosts gw |
| 11:36.44 | Dixi | perhaps #vmware ? |
| 11:37.00 | Dixi | and #dns ? |
| 11:37.05 | patriku | Dixi: i dont think it is vmware issue |
| 11:37.17 | patriku | Dixi: jsut let me check that out |
| 11:37.47 | Dixi | it is certainly not a debian issue, unless you have screwed up networking |
| 11:37.47 | ThatGraemeGuy | can you ping an internet hostname? an internet IP? |
| 11:37.52 | tremon | Dixi: that hasn't been the usual way since 2005. I have never used nic bonding in linux, but have you tried 'ip addr add $ip/$netmask dev bond0'? |
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| 11:39.00 | Dixi | tremon, no, I do know IP is the way, but I am not to keen on "trying" on a remote server.. It might lose connection if it is not the right way to do it. |
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| 11:40.26 | AxonetBE | Hi when I want to install my vsftpd package I get always Could not connect to security.debian.org:80 (195.20.242.89). - connect (110: Connection timed out) [IP: 195.20.242.89 80] |
| 11:40.40 | AxonetBE | pinging 195.20.242.89 is not a problem |
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| 11:41.09 | Dixi | thats two different IP adresses AxonetBE |
| 11:41.13 | patriku | Dixi: ok, dns works. I have not installed dnsutils or nslookup yet, but wget does the job anyway. Everything resolved but no connection |
| 11:41.22 | ChrisH | waqstar: as long as you do not start provding more details (as beeing asked) noone can make suggestions. |
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| 11:41.39 | tremon | AxonetBE: do you have an apt proxy configured? |
| 11:42.06 | AxonetBE | AxonetBE: No the only thing I did is using NAT because I'm a VM |
| 11:42.35 | AxonetBE | DNAT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:http to:192.168.0.1:80 |
| 11:42.48 | patriku | Dixi: 1. I can ping gw on host. 2. I can contact dns servers, it resolves jsut fine. 3. Default gw in guest machine is correct as well. No idea where else to look. |
| 11:43.07 | patriku | Dixi: I am going to chceck vmware then |
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| 11:43.25 | patriku | Dixi: Thank you very much anyway |
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| 11:43.30 | Dixi | yw |
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| 11:47.21 | Dixi | theres absolutely nothing on google about assigning multiple ip's to a bond.. |
| 11:47.25 | Dixi | thats wierd.. |
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| 11:51.08 | Dixi | FYI http://sourceforge.net/p/bonding/discussion/77913/thread/f835d707/ |
| 11:51.30 | Dixi | tremon, it seems that ip addr add is the way to go |
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| 12:01.47 | mallxs | Hi, i have a new install.. (stable) is it normal now that a shutdown is almost instant ? |
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| 12:02.50 | paswd-help | hi i would like to know how to generate a random number in hex that is 8 bytes long and 10 bytes long. i see i can use "openssl rand -base64 32" does the 32 at the end mean 32 bytes? does 1 character = 1 byte? |
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| 12:04.08 | paswd-help | mallxs: i would check the kernel logs to make sure nothing has happened but sounds pretty normal. when you say instant do you mean less than a second? |
| 12:04.20 | xmj | hi, what's the version of skype debian uses? |
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| 12:04.51 | paswd-help | xmj: aptitutde show skype |
| 12:04.56 | paswd-help | aptitude* |
| 12:05.15 | jmd | xmj: It doesn't. Skype is non-free |
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| 12:06.40 | mallxs | paswd-help: yep in one second, it turns of the screen, but the power on the machine doesn't turn off |
| 12:06.46 | zaggynl | Hiya, I'm installing debian testing on this dell e6400, I get stuck after selecting keymap |
| 12:06.51 | zaggynl | blue screen with white line below it |
| 12:07.30 | paswd-help | mallxs: maybe just X is crashing out |
| 12:08.13 | mallxs | paswd-help: ok thx will check the logs |
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| 12:08.24 | xmj | paswd-help: on freebsd? tough luck |
| 12:09.06 | xmj | paswd-help: I'm trying to update the version of skype we use, and use debian as a reference, would be good to know what version you guyze use |
| 12:10.06 | zaggynl | hm, kernel panic apparently |
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| 12:12.44 | flos | zaggynl, does livecd work properly? |
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| 12:14.06 | zaggynl | flos: wait, there is a testing live cd? |
| 12:15.07 | flos | zaggynl, no, but i think the livecd can isolate the issue. |
| 12:15.17 | zaggynl | lemme boot that |
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| 12:16.26 | zaggynl | downloading live cd.. |
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| 12:19.28 | tremon | zaggynl: why arem |
| 12:19.40 | tremon | zaggynl: why aren't you using the stable installer? |
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| 12:22.06 | Iridos | zaggynl, the testing installer images are for testing the installer images... report the bug and install stable, then upgrade to testing if you want to have that |
| 12:22.14 | zaggynl | will do, thanks |
| 12:22.57 | Iridos | sure we got a factoid on that, too |
| 12:23.00 | Iridos | dpkg, testing installer |
| 12:23.00 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 12:23.28 | Iridos | zaggynl, see factoid on how to report bugs on the installer |
| 12:23.41 | nkuttler | i disagree with dpkg though, install everything you need and upgrade then. better to be stuck on stable packages than them not being installable |
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| 12:24.40 | tremon | that probably depends on the speed of your uplink. Wouldn't like to download all packages twice on a slow link |
| 12:25.15 | nkuttler | tremon: i'd hope people who run testing have a decent connection |
| 12:25.27 | nkuttler | for me everything goes through a cacher anyway |
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| 12:26.01 | tjhowse | zaggynl is a well-known bad-at-computers guy |
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| 12:26.15 | tjhowse | FYI |
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| 12:26.42 | zaggynl | shakes fist |
| 12:26.42 | tjhowse | he once tried to install knoppix from a livecd onto a record player |
| 12:26.47 | nkuttler | heh. and he's being encouraged to run testing? |
| 12:26.47 | tremon | tjhowse: you mean computers toss drinks in his face and walk out on him? |
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| 12:27.17 | Dixi | Does anyone have an oppinion about this? http://paste.debian.net/80627/ |
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| 12:28.11 | tremon | Dixi: what's the point of having two addresses in the same subnet? |
| 12:28.56 | Dixi | I want to achieve multiple ip's on the same bond |
| 12:29.10 | Dixi | as you would with e.g. eth0:0 and so on. |
| 12:29.56 | Dixi | ip addr add blabla did not work. |
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| 12:32.39 | tremon | can't help you with that. But I would expect those multiple addresses to be in different vlans or (at least) different subnets. Regardless of whether it's a working config, I see no use for your current setup |
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| 12:32.57 | Dixi | nono' |
| 12:33.03 | Dixi | they are part of the same /25 subnet |
| 12:33.14 | Dixi | i have 128 ip's |
| 12:33.17 | tremon | I understood that. but why? |
| 12:33.29 | Dixi | Why I have those IP's ? |
| 12:33.37 | tremon | ah, nevermind |
| 12:33.52 | tremon | I completely missed the fact that the addresses are probably public |
| 12:34.03 | Dixi | yes they are :) |
| 12:34.16 | osfd | I try to build and install ngspice from git sources. Obviously, it goes pretty well since the make command exits without error |
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| 12:34.24 | Dixi | im gonna try it the legacy way here.. |
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| 12:34.30 | osfd | though when I make install, a lot of things happens |
| 12:34.43 | osfd | but I can't launch ngspice when done... |
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| 12:35.26 | osfd | alsi I get a lot of make[2]: Nothing to be done for `...` |
| 12:35.33 | osfd | weird... |
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| 12:35.56 | tremon | osfd: that's probably a question better asked to the ngspice folks |
| 12:36.20 | osfd | tremon: it's build/compile thing... though you might be right |
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| 12:37.39 | tremon | well, they should at least have some knowledge of what you should expect when building from source |
| 12:38.03 | tremon | osfd: btw, please never use make install directly on debian. Install and run checkinstall instead |
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| 12:38.30 | osfd | tremon: :/ never heard about that |
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| 12:39.18 | Dixi | i seriously dont think bonding can handle multiple ip's.. |
| 12:39.28 | Dixi | which is a shame :( |
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| 12:42.03 | tremon | Dixi: there's always ##linux, #networking and the linux-net mailinglist |
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| 12:43.59 | Dixi | tremon, i got it working |
| 12:44.11 | Dixi | i had to perform an ifup bond0:0 |
| 12:44.22 | fishcooker | i've got RTO frequently.. yes it is on wireless LAN .. this is my dmesg http://paste.debian.net/80632/.. this is my interface config http://paste.debian.net/80634/ |
| 12:44.23 | Dixi | I thought it would bring it up at boot time? |
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| 12:44.35 | puchu | hi |
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| 12:44.54 | puchu | which package do i need to for the cmdline app debuild |
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| 12:45.47 | tremon | Dixi: it should, I'd think |
| 12:45.54 | Dixi | it didnt |
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| 12:46.05 | tremon | ,file bin/debuild |
| 12:46.10 | judd | Search for bin/debuild in wheezy/i386: devscripts: usr/bin/debuild |
| 12:46.17 | tremon | puchu: ^^ |
| 12:46.26 | Dixi | do you know the command to /sbin/ifenslave -d bond0:0 etc, you put in the /networking/interfaces ? |
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| 12:46.45 | puchu | tremon thanks but how do i search which package includes a file? |
| 12:47.26 | tremon | puchu: the canonical way is to install apt-file and let it build a local database. The normal apt-cache search only searches descriptions, not filenames |
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| 12:47.37 | puchu | tremon nice :( |
| 12:47.47 | puchu | something like e-file in gentoo would be nice |
| 12:47.59 | themill | like apt-file... |
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| 12:48.13 | tremon | puchu: I tend to prefer /msg judd file $file_I_need |
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| 12:48.20 | Dixi | perhaps I could do a work around, and put ifup bond0:0 etc in my /etc/rc.local to make sure it will wake up at the end of the boot seq. ? What do you think? |
| 12:48.47 | puchu | tremon: thanks |
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| 12:49.15 | tremon | Dixi: is the networking script ignoring bond0:0 entirely, or only failing to bring it up? If the latter, I'd suggest adding a post-up command to /e/n/interfaces |
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| 12:49.45 | Dixi | its not failing to bring it up i think.. Let me check messages |
| 12:50.47 | Dixi | tremon, its ignored.. bond0:0 is not reflected in the syslog |
| 12:50.48 | Zap-W | hi |
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| 12:51.13 | Zap-W | does anyone know why in Windows7 wireless is asking for pin code while in linux it does not? |
| 12:51.18 | Zap-W | same AP |
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| 12:52.19 | Iridos | because windows has that NSA interface that gets the pin code directly from the US? |
| 12:52.22 | tremon | Zap-W: that's wifi protected setup (wps). Not sure if linux has a tool that supports it. IME, it causes more trouble that it's worth so I tend to disable it |
| 12:53.03 | Zap-W | tremon, funny |
| 12:53.54 | Dixi | AHA |
| 12:53.59 | Dixi | i think I know why tremon |
| 12:54.12 | Dixi | I have no auto bond0:0 definition |
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| 12:54.15 | Dixi | im gonna try that |
| 12:54.37 | tremon | Dixi: the file you pasted did have an auto bond0:0 line |
| 12:54.56 | Dixi | i know, i must have forgotten to type it :D |
| 12:55.09 | Dixi | im rebooting it now! Hoping and wishing |
| 12:55.19 | tremon | well that might explain it :) |
| 12:55.22 | Dixi | :P |
| 12:55.26 | Dixi | i hope so :) |
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| 12:57.07 | Dixi | hahaha :) |
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| 12:57.10 | Dixi | worked :) |
| 12:57.16 | Dixi | off to install apache etc etc :) |
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| 12:59.51 | Bname | Hello friends, I have attempted to find a way to re-stream content from a linux server to no avail, could somebody point me in the right direction? |
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| 13:00.44 | Bname | What I'm looking to do is StreamingContent>Server>Anybody who connects |
| 13:01.45 | Bname | I've found methods for restreaming in a .mp4 or other format, but nothing that seems to be able to handle live video input from an external website. |
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| 13:01.57 | Dixi | try #ffmpeg |
| 13:02.07 | Bname | Thanks Dixi |
| 13:02.09 | Dixi | those guys in there are pretty clever about such things |
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| 13:04.25 | napcae | http://i.imgur.com/8xxqUVB.jpg |
| 13:04.42 | Dixi | hehe |
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| 13:09.05 | abrotman | There are some packaged in Debian already IIRC |
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| 13:14.41 | Damncold | someone here with nagios/gearman on dbeian working? |
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| 13:14.57 | Damncold | i just installed but doest get gearman working |
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| 13:19.46 | mallxs | paswd-help: i installed backport kernal-image 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 and now it works correct |
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| 13:21.26 | mallxs | I had also the Gnome fallback message before, how can i retry the gnome3 mode as i only got that message once |
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| 13:22.29 | abrotman | Is there a question? |
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| 13:24.47 | mallxs | abrotman: yes i had the gnome3 fallback message before i installed the 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64, how do i now retry gnome3 to see if it still is falling back ? |
| 13:25.10 | abrotman | login? |
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| 13:25.30 | abrotman | feels like this is a trick question |
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| 13:26.07 | mallxs | yep did that but no msg and i don't see any difference, would like to see that msg again if it still doesn't work |
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| 13:31.53 | HicksD_ | knobed: default permissions are set depending on the UMask afaik. Although I don't recall which file it's set in. |
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| 13:33.07 | knobed | Why I get only public access from rtorrent if I run it as root? |
| 13:33.34 | tremon | umask is normally set in the shell's config, but probably can be set from pam_env as well |
| 13:33.38 | knobed | I for some reason can access files from within rtorrent only with public permission |
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| 13:37.18 | knobed | tremon to what value should I change UMASK that permission would be read/write |
| 13:37.32 | knobed | its now 022 |
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| 13:37.40 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 13:38.22 | tremon | knobed: assuming you mean group read/write, it's 002. never EVER use a default umask that allows world-write |
| 13:39.01 | knobed | im not concerned about security |
| 13:39.03 | ShapeShifter499 | is it a bad idea to be donating a gig or two on my 16gb ssd to swap? My mom uses this old laptop only for web browsing and I wanted to swap out the 320gb drive for a unused ssd I had since she only needs a few gigs for web browsing |
| 13:39.45 | tremon | knobed: nobody is ever concerned about it unless it's their job. That doesn't mean you should teach yourself unnecessary bad habits |
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| 13:40.21 | knobed | good point. thx for letting know that |
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| 13:41.01 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm about to set up the system and I'm not sure if having the swap will hurt the ssd or the performance of the computer if I don't have one set up |
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| 13:41.23 | tremon | knobed: in this case, make sure your users are a member of the group that rtorrent uses, or change the rtorrent primary group to whatever your users use |
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| 13:42.14 | knobed | how do I change rtorrent group? Where its located ? in /etc/rtorrent or where? |
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| 13:42.51 | knobed | do I need to change rutorrent's group or rtorrent group? |
| 13:43.45 | tremon | knobed: I'm not sure, I've never used it as a daemon. I'd start by typing id rtorrent, that will show if there is a user named rtorrent and what groups that user is a member of |
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| 13:44.18 | mallxs | will never try to trick abrotman |
| 13:44.32 | knobed | id: rtorrent: No such user |
| 13:44.43 | knobed | it has not user, that's why things didn't work |
| 13:45.12 | knobed | and UMASK 002 just have execution permission |
| 13:45.18 | knobed | not writing |
| 13:45.44 | tremon | no, bit 1 is for exection. bit 2 is write permission |
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| 13:47.16 | knobed | I installed rtorrent and im using it as root, I know its bad practice and stuff, but how do I change rtorrent user? |
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| 13:47.53 | tremon | how are you starting rtorrent? does it come with a startup script or are you starting it manually? |
| 13:48.43 | knobed | as startup script I guess, I just type rtorrent and it runs |
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| 13:49.03 | tremon | that would qualify as "starting it manually" |
| 13:49.33 | petn-randall | knobed: You should start it with an init script, e.g. /etc/init.d/rtorrent. Does it come with one? By the way, don't run things like that as root, that's begging for trouble. |
| 13:49.45 | tremon | in that case, just (as root) chown -R $youruser $download_dir and you should be able to run it as your own user |
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| 13:51.01 | knobed | tremon not there s no init script in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 13:56.07 | knobed | i guess ill reinstall rtorrent and try everything for scratch |
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| 13:56.18 | knobed | from |
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| 13:59.58 | puchu | how long does it normally take to generate a gpg key? |
| 14:00.06 | knobed | Maybe someone knows a good auto rutorrent install script? I've tried many but all were outdated |
| 14:00.10 | puchu | im waiting now for 10 minutes for the key to finish |
| 14:00.29 | SirLagz | knobed: rtorrent ? What's wrong with apt-getting it ? |
| 14:01.12 | knobed | I mean all package, with rutorrent all plugins and stuff |
| 14:01.17 | HicksD_ | puchu: is it stuck on generating entropy? Usually doing lots of activity like moving mouse, searching through your hdd etc will provide enough for it to complete. |
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| 14:01.34 | shellguard | gpg key generation time depends on your hardware performance, key size and level of entropy you could achieve |
| 14:01.59 | HicksD_ | If you just leave the computer alone and wait though, it could take quite some time. |
| 14:02.14 | entity | yeah just browse to your pr0n folder or something |
| 14:02.15 | shellguard | mine 4k key was generated in 1.5 minutes on a VM |
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| 14:12.21 | cortexA9 | hello |
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| 14:15.50 | SirLagz | cortexA9: hi |
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| 14:16.58 | cortexA9 | i have one gift for the debian community |
| 14:17.01 | cortexA9 | http://web.archive.org/web/19970414140611/http://www.debian.org/ |
| 14:17.03 | cortexA9 | :) |
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| 14:17.20 | SirLagz | lol. 97 |
| 14:17.26 | SirLagz | wow. Way before my time |
| 14:18.53 | iceroot | cortexA9: very nice :) |
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| 14:22.54 | nabblet | hi, my multimedia-replay is stuttering (every minute or so, it loops for less than a second). video, sound in all formats with all kinds of players (vlc, mplayer, totem,...) and various sources (hdd, external hdd, stream) shows that sympthom. Backporting the kernel didn't help. Any ideas? |
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| 14:24.44 | petn-randall | nabblet: Are you running wheezy right now? Which kernel did you upgrade to? |
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| 14:31.39 | johndoe | why isnt there a 'mencoder' package in jessie? |
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| 14:32.26 | colo-work | johndoe, I think mencoder is discontinued upstream. use avconv instead. |
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| 14:32.39 | johndoe | colo-work: thanks |
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| 14:34.05 | johndoe | colo-work: could it be this? http://blog.pkh.me/p/13-the-ffmpeg-libav-situation.html |
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| 14:37.19 | johndoe | colo-work: i dont have avconv either |
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| 14:38.01 | colo-work | johndoe, install libav-tools |
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| 14:40.25 | tremon | btw, none of those tools are deprecated upstream. Debian just isn't shipping them |
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| 14:48.55 | knobed | I'll cut my leg off if somebody wont help |
| 14:49.16 | knobed | those permissions are so paintful |
| 14:49.28 | knobed | can't figure out how to get it working |
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| 15:02.33 | puchu | HicksD_: thanks |
| 15:03.14 | puchu | is there a way to build a debian package and ignore errors like file-in-etc-not-marked-as-conffile |
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| 15:09.20 | jhutchins | puchu: You could just fix the errors. |
| 15:10.09 | puchu | jhutchins there are loads of errors like this |
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| 15:16.13 | halim | hello, i have installed the cinnamon desktop environment on my laptop running debian. now there's an update available for cinnamon but the updater won't let me check the boxes of the cinnamon packages. this is what it looks like: http://epvpimg.com/JSNvg |
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| 15:17.00 | halim | when trying to install the cjs package (a dependency of cinnamon) via synaptic i get an error saying that i have unresolved package issues |
| 15:17.08 | halim | apt-get install -f doesn't do anything |
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| 15:19.02 | abrotman | halim: in which Debian? |
| 15:19.32 | abrotman | halim: this channel supports Debian, not LMDE. Please use the Mint support channels |
| 15:19.37 | halim | wheezy |
| 15:19.46 | abrotman | Wheezy does not have Cinnamon, and is not LMDE. |
| 15:19.59 | abrotman | If you want help with their broken packages, ask them for support. |
| 15:20.08 | halim | ok |
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| 15:30.00 | antuh | i'm installing debian on another machine (from the squeeze installer, because that's what i had on cd). in the package selection screen i accidentally pressed 'enter' before i had removed the graphical desktop, and now its downloading over a thousand files and it's going to take hours. |
| 15:30.09 | antuh | is there any safe way to abort it? |
| 15:30.35 | antuh | would it for example be safe to unplug the network cable? |
| 15:30.45 | petn-randall | antuh: unplugging it would just error out. |
| 15:30.56 | tremon | what's safe in this regard? Is there any data on that machine that you worry about? |
| 15:31.24 | antuh | tremon: no, i'd just rather not do the whole installation over again. |
| 15:31.26 | petn-randall | antuh: You can try that. But I recommend taking the wheezy installer in the first place, since it supports newer hardware and takes away the burden that you have to upgrade to wheezy. |
| 15:31.45 | antuh | petn-randall: i have no boot media at home... |
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| 15:31.57 | antuh | that is, no cd-r or usb sticks. |
| 15:31.58 | petn-randall | antuh: No USB stick you can boot off? |
| 15:31.59 | tremon | antuh: fafaik, there is no way to abort this step and return to a previous step |
| 15:32.21 | tremon | so i'd just hit the reset button. Luckily you won't have to repartition |
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| 15:32.58 | antuh | ok. yeah, i suppose erasing the partitions was the slow bit. |
| 15:33.07 | Imbue | antuh: luks installation? |
| 15:33.25 | c--__ | how do you disable the terminal screensaver on debian? consoleblank=0 as suggested (http://askubuntu.com/a/138927) does not seem to work, the screen went black again |
| 15:33.30 | antuh | Imbue: no, but i had some old data on the disk that i wanted to delete. |
| 15:33.48 | Imbue | ah okay. well, yes, if you secure erased partitions, you won't have to do that again |
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| 15:34.02 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell c--__ about blank |
| 15:34.12 | dfgg | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda ? |
| 15:34.24 | treehouse | how do I use a WM? I started compiz and then gedit, but gedit still lacks a "window" (is a stuck flat edit field in the dark, more or less).http://pastebin.com/my3Zwvve got that from an apt-get install -f .... can be fixed? |
| 15:34.32 | antuh | i would like to have disk encryption, but this is for a headless machine that turns on and off automatically so there'd be no way to input the key. |
| 15:35.14 | tremon | antuh: my headless machines boot off an usb key. If I remove the key, the machines cannot be rebooted but if the key is present, they do boot without problem |
| 15:35.26 | petn-randall | dfgg: That will take years to finish on a 2 TB disk. |
| 15:35.46 | petn-randall | s/years/weeks/ |
| 15:35.54 | antuh | tremon: good point. |
| 15:36.13 | Imbue | should take about 24-48hours |
| 15:36.16 | Imbue | depending on system |
| 15:36.24 | Imbue | still a nightmare though :P |
| 15:36.26 | c--__ | where is dpkg with his advice about blank |
| 15:36.33 | c--__ | oh i see |
| 15:36.38 | petn-randall | antuh: You can use dropbear to set up a pre-encryption environment to decrypt it. Google "dropbear luks" |
| 15:36.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell treehouse -about compiz |
| 15:36.53 | c--__ | petn-randall: thanks i will try that |
| 15:37.01 | petn-randall | c--__: You're welcome, any time again. |
| 15:37.13 | frostschutz | /dev/urandom is slow. in fact they made it even slower in 3.13... much faster to encrypt with random key and zero that |
| 15:37.13 | babilen | treehouse: Normally you simply install the window manager, select the session in your display manager and start it. |
| 15:37.33 | babilen | treehouse: E.g. "apt-get install awesome" or "apt-get install fluxbox" |
| 15:37.37 | Imbue | I still don't really understand why zeroing with urandom should be necessary |
| 15:37.46 | Imbue | sorry, erasing |
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| 15:37.53 | frostschutz | if you want it fast, use shred -n 1 or something |
| 15:37.59 | Imbue | what is the issue with using say 512MB of entropy and repeating that |
| 15:38.06 | treehouse | ill try to remove compiz then. But it was the only one at the time that I could find in the repo |
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| 15:38.30 | treehouse | same error message |
| 15:38.57 | shawnbon206_ | knobed elaborate? |
| 15:39.06 | frostschutz | Imbue, if you repeat, you can use zeroes instead. people worry too much about this free space thing anyway. and if it's a SSD and you use TRIM, it will show up as zeroes anyhow |
| 15:39.11 | petn-randall | Imbue: If you don't do that an attacker can find out the disk usage of the partition and the partition type. |
| 15:39.33 | abrotman | nominates DBAN |
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| 15:39.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Imbue about dban |
| 15:40.23 | abrotman | Imbue: just be careful with it .. if you tell it the wrong disk/partition/etc, there's no going back (unless you have backups of course) |
| 15:40.24 | Imbue | petn-randall: how so? |
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| 15:40.56 | Imbue | petn-randall: oh, I see, never mind |
| 15:41.07 | Imbue | you spot the parts where the repeating data is and that's obviously freespace |
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| 15:41.59 | AmbiguousOutlier | hello long term ubuntu user first time debian |
| 15:42.06 | damasceno | Does anyone know how can I mount a partition using fstab with a different user? For example, damasceno user? |
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| 15:42.14 | Imbue | must restart gdm. |
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| 15:42.35 | AmbiguousOutlier | Can I install debian on Linkstation NAS drive? |
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| 15:44.03 | AmbiguousOutlier | damasceno: root will mount the drive and the files will have user permissions associated with it |
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| 15:44.26 | tremon | damasceno: mountopts user or owner, make sure mount is setuid root. See man fstab |
| 15:45.12 | damasceno | AmbiguousOutlier: the thing is I'm using ssh (authorized_keys) with the user damasceno... if root tries to mount it, it asks for a password... but with the user damasceno I can access without password. That's why I need to mount it as damasceno instead of root. |
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| 15:46.31 | treehouse | http://pastebin.com/CmYCW9Ww any ideas? I want dbus, I like dbus |
| 15:47.13 | tremon | treehouse: you're running ubuntu? |
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| 15:48.12 | antuh | tremon: do you keep the whole boot partition on the usb key, or the luks header, or the luks keyfile? |
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| 15:49.04 | tremon | antuh: only the luks key. grep for passdev in the cryptsetup doc/ directory |
| 15:49.17 | antuh | thanks. |
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| 15:51.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ghostrat`afk about away |
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| 15:54.53 | treehouse | tremon: how oculd you tell? :3 |
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| 15:57.06 | tremon | treehouse: the version string. What do you expect #debian to know about ubuntu's dbus init script? |
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| 15:57.46 | bdunn_ | Hello. Simple question I hope. I want to mount NFS before something in /etc/init.d is launched. I don't want to use auto in my /etc/fstab in case the NFS server is not available. Should I do this in /etc/inittab? I've been trying to find a reasonable solution. |
| 15:58.25 | rgr | or add it as the first init for the run level maybe. |
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| 15:59.31 | bdunn_ | rgr - I looked into that at first, but then quickly got confused about which run level I am normally in as a command line environment. I thought it was always 3 for some reason, but then I read that it doesn't make any difference. Do I just do it for run levels 2-5 or something? |
| 15:59.47 | tremon | bdunn_: there is no reasonable solution I guess, it's one of the major drawbacks of the current init. Either you mount things during boot (e.g. use auto) or it's out of the hands of the init system |
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| 16:01.03 | rgr | how's it out of the hands? Or did I misunderstand. There's nothing stopping him addint an init script to be run before the rest of his or all run levels. |
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| 16:01.09 | rgr | addint==adding |
| 16:01.35 | tremon | I guess automount might be a solution, but that may still hang the boot if the service starts up, access the nfs share and automount can't mount the nfs share |
| 16:01.43 | pav5088 | I'm trying to install apache2 and it's giving me an error about a2query not existing... |
| 16:01.52 | pav5088 | is there some kind of dependency problem? |
| 16:01.59 | pav5088 | (This is on Jessie) |
| 16:02.21 | pav5088 | Preparing to unpack .../apache2_2.4.7-1_amd64.deb ... |
| 16:02.21 | pav5088 | /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line 118: a2query: command not found |
| 16:02.22 | pav5088 | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2_2.4.7-1_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 16:02.22 | pav5088 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:02.22 | dpkg | pav5088: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 16:02.24 | rgr | bdunn_: my inittab sets the default runlevel to2 |
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| 16:02.49 | tremon | rgr: the way I read it, he wants a service to be started when a specific nfs mount is available, but he doesn't want that mount to occur during boot |
| 16:02.56 | rgr | so dont use automount and do it on a init controlled rc script. |
| 16:03.39 | rgr | I didnt read that but you might be correct. But I still dont see why it cantr just be an early bird init script. |
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| 16:06.21 | Dixi | question. How can I mount a ramdisk to /xxx at boot time? |
| 16:06.37 | Dixi | and preferably before apache is started? |
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| 16:07.59 | tremon | add a tmpfs mount to fstab |
| 16:08.03 | Dixi | ok |
| 16:08.05 | Dixi | thanks |
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| 16:10.08 | bdunn_ | Yes I am wanting a service to run ONLY if the NFS is mounted. I am testing that in my init.d script which exits if the test file is not present. I had a situation where the system rebooted and the NFS server wasn't up and it stopped everything else from coming up. That's when I had auto in my /etc/fstab. I looked at the autos package and it works well, but there are issues with that I'd rather avoid. |
| 16:10.58 | bdunn_ | Ideally I'd like the /etc/fstab to contain no auto but all of the points and... I just realized a solution. |
| 16:11.39 | bdunn_ | I will simply stick the mount commands in my init.d script of the service that requires the NFS mount to be there. It doesn't matter if it always tried to mount the NFS points again every time it is run does it? Now I feel stupid. |
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| 16:11.58 | Dixi | Another question.. Is it possible to chown the tmpfs to www-data in fstab ?? |
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| 16:12.40 | tremon | bdunn_: mountpoint -q $mountpoint || mount ... |
| 16:13.11 | bdunn_ | I was using mount. I will lookup mountpoint |
| 16:13.27 | bdunn_ | Oh... I see. |
| 16:14.18 | Dixi | tremon, would it not be wiser to just make an sh script, and give it runlevel 100 or something.. |
| 16:14.27 | bdunn_ | I have been out of the Linux world too long due to work. Now that I'm back I am consumed by the possibilities. Almost addicted to finding new ways to do all these neat tricks. Coming up - qemu-kvm. :-) |
| 16:14.32 | Dixi | www-data has to own etc etc.. |
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| 16:15.05 | tremon | Dixi: you're going to need a script to populate your tmpfs anyway. Do the chown there too |
| 16:15.53 | Dixi | ideally, the tmpfs should depopulate to a harddrive folder before shutdown, and then repopulate the tmpfs from the harddrive, to the tmpfs at boot.. |
| 16:16.05 | Dixi | is that notion impossible to achieve? |
| 16:17.18 | treehouse | this is the problem I get all the time (and some more problems): http://pastebin.com/Lu2tTdMF |
| 16:17.19 | Dixi | that was for you tremon |
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| 16:18.44 | tremon | you can "depopulate" in the shutdown script (i.e. the same script, when called with "stop" argument) |
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| 16:19.02 | tremon | Have you considered what happens to your data on unclean shutdown? |
| 16:19.56 | Dixi | on unclean, it dissapears.. but it would not be a disaster. its just caching for website.. so the worst that can happen, is that it has to start caching all the pages, all over again.. |
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| 16:20.58 | Dixi | im not too worried about that tremon :) However, it would be nice to have the before-mentioned in place for normal start and stop. |
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| 16:21.49 | Dixi | tremon, is it hard to accomplish it? I have never done something like this before, i.e. creating a script that will depopulate and repopulate on start/stop. |
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| 16:22.19 | tremon | methinks that you're better served by readahead or other cache-control tools. But if you want, start by copying and reading /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 16:23.13 | Dixi | couldnt i just add the commands to /etc/rc.local?? |
| 16:23.20 | Dixi | wouldnt the result be the same? |
| 16:23.33 | Dixi | i know the commands i would have to use.. |
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| 16:23.58 | tremon | rc.local starts last in the startup process, so there is no way to make apache wait for the completion of rc.local |
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| 16:24.33 | Dixi | no, but I could just do a service apache restart after the inital commands? |
| 16:25.07 | Dixi | i can just add delays before each command? |
| 16:25.12 | rozie | Dixi: why do you want to shutdown this machine? |
| 16:25.21 | Dixi | i dont! |
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| 16:25.43 | rozie | so just build cache on tmpfs (if you really want to have it there) |
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| 16:25.57 | Dixi | its just a precaution in the event of "if". |
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| 16:26.02 | tremon | Dixi: yes, you can just restart apache. But rc.local also has no "shutdown" counterpart |
| 16:26.19 | rozie | if it rebuilds after reboot and reboot does not happen often, theres's no point in save/restore |
| 16:26.20 | Dixi | ah yea tremon .. Good point.. |
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| 16:26.55 | Dixi | rozie, its caching data from a 1gb sql file, with 50.000 store products.. |
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| 16:27.11 | rozie | so? |
| 16:27.21 | Dixi | so it would take some time for the cache to be rebuilt, in the event of a shutdown without a de/repopulation |
| 16:27.36 | rozie | and? |
| 16:27.58 | rozie | I don't know exactly the solution |
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| 16:28.05 | Dixi | customers has to wait = bad for business. |
| 16:28.25 | johnakabean | on default, what log level is notice? 5? |
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| 16:28.30 | rozie | but after restart only first hit will be slower |
| 16:28.46 | rozie | you don't have to have everything in cache |
| 16:28.48 | Dixi | yes, but each product will be 4-7 seconds slow |
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| 16:29.00 | rozie | only on the first hit |
| 16:29.15 | treehouse | whenever I try to install anything with apt-get, I get this: http://pastebin.com/Lu2tTdMF and apt-get -f install will just complain in a manner like this: http://pastebin.com/BCBrJJKC .. im stuck :( what do I do? |
| 16:29.17 | rozie | 4-7 seconds is not much |
| 16:29.18 | Dixi | its a 1 gig db, 50.000 different products with images etc. |
| 16:29.28 | rozie | how long does reboot last? |
| 16:29.49 | nullfaith | Did you install skype without updating archs? |
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| 16:30.12 | rozie | Dixi: I'd go cluster if it is really important business |
| 16:30.18 | rozie | you have no downtime |
| 16:30.35 | rozie | and you can proxy static content on separate machine |
| 16:30.38 | Dixi | anyways, the solution is probably to either a) remember to make a copy of the cache if I have to reboot/shutdown, and restore it afterwards, or B) make a boot time/ stop time script. |
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| 16:30.57 | Dixi | No, the client wont pay for clustering, so this is the only solution they will pay for. |
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| 16:31.31 | rozie | if you don't plan reboot it means you will have only crashes |
| 16:31.33 | Dixi | anyways,.. Its a debian server - why would it shut down ;) |
| 16:31.38 | rozie | so no cache will be saved |
| 16:31.44 | rozie | so it will rebuild anyway |
| 16:31.49 | Dixi | yea, well.. In the even of a crash, a script wouldnt matter anyways.. |
| 16:31.52 | Dixi | yup |
| 16:32.00 | rozie | IMVHO no point in making this solution |
| 16:32.23 | Dixi | nope.. It should be sufficient to just remember to do it :) |
| 16:32.43 | rozie | I wonder if reverse proxy won't be enough |
| 16:33.28 | Dixi | another question. If I have to change the public ip of eth0:0, is it then enough to just change it in interfaces, and then do a ifdown, followed by an ifup ? |
| 16:33.44 | Dixi | or is a boot required? |
| 16:34.14 | rozie | you may need to restart services |
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| 16:34.59 | Dixi | ok |
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| 16:35.19 | Dixi | ill just reboot.. Its safer! And we'll know it works.. |
| 16:35.29 | markoheijnen | Hey guys, anyone knows how to fix the issue that you can't change /etc/network/interfaces? It always mark it as read-only |
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| 16:36.11 | rozie | markoheijnen: show mount output. I suspect your FS is ro. probably because of errors |
| 16:36.14 | tremon | markoheijnen: are you root? |
| 16:36.20 | markoheijnen | I'm root |
| 16:36.22 | theseb | This UEFI that replaces the BIOS i think is a real pain....if I'm not mistaken it can get messed up and brick your laptop when you are trying to install linux!?!??! then you can't boot into BIOS or anything? |
| 16:37.14 | thims | Sounds like a revolt is on its way to me. |
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| 16:37.38 | markoheijnen | rozie: just in commandline "mount"? |
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| 16:39.19 | bdunn_ | One more question on my NFS mounting before init.d script runs... it is okay to do something like this? mountpoint -q /nfs/documents || /bin/bash /nfs/mount_everthing.sh Is there going to be a problem if I put that near the top of the init.d script I need to run only after the NFS shares mounted? Right after that I could do something like this: mount point -q /nfs/documents || exit 0 So by my thinking, the init.d script would |
| 16:39.20 | bdunn_ | check to see if documents is mounted NFS, if not try to mount all of the NFS shares in mount_everything.sh, and failing that just exit the init.d script. Make sense? |
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| 16:41.24 | tremon | that would work, but I would move the mountpoint checks to the same script where you perform the mount. What happens for example when /nfs/documents is mounted but none of the other mounts have succeeded? |
| 16:41.50 | bdunn_ | tremon: Good idea. Thanks so much for your help today. |
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| 16:43.14 | shredding | hey all. |
| 16:44.15 | thims | theseb: How long do you think before there is a trojan that effects UEFI and a virus scanner that cost $60/yr for it? |
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| 16:45.37 | shredding | Is this crontab meaning it's running at 15 past 12: 12 */4 * * *? |
| 16:45.38 | treehouse | any ideas what the cake is going on? http://pastebin.com/bwjwe3mf I just took dbus as an example (non-debian), but the problem is true for whatever software |
| 16:47.09 | theseb | thims: :)///or should i say :( |
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| 16:47.30 | bdunn_ | Dang - ONE LAST QUESTION - Is the "service squid3 start" command simply doing the equivalent "/etc/initi.d/squid3 start" command? |
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| 16:49.29 | iateadonut | i'm getting an argument list too long error even though the length of the argument i'm feeding is 191940 and my ARG_MAX displays as getconf ARG_MAX 33554432 |
| 16:50.44 | iateadonut | (i kept increasing the /etc/security/limits.conf for a single user to try and get around it) |
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| 16:51.30 | tremon | bdunn_: yes, unless you're running systemd or upstart |
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| 16:52.19 | bdunn_ | Nope... I'm still a chicken a the moment. Thanks again. |
| 16:52.38 | tremon | treehouse: your dbus package is broken. Either ask on #ubuntu or install debian |
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| 16:53.38 | enkidu | hello. I have problems installing debian on IA64 machine via netboot. I had it before, but then it was fixed. Before anyone ask: it IS itanium 64 , not 64bit desktop |
| 16:53.57 | enkidu | DEBUG: architecture not supported by selected mirror |
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| 16:54.51 | treehouse | tremon: how can it be broken? I haven't even installed it. (I purge.. and then try to install it). This is a problem that I have with a bunch of software (debian stuff) |
| 16:54.58 | treehouse | when I try too apt-get install debian-stuff, same thing |
| 16:56.14 | tremon | treehouse: if you've been mixing ubuntu and debian packages, your whole system is probably beyond recovery anyway |
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| 16:57.08 | tremon | enkidu: did you try different mirrors? |
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| 16:57.53 | enkidu | four, including ftp.debian.org |
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| 16:59.03 | _Gotta | look how peacefull m00hslimes are http://www.youtube.com/embed/ldhCmwCd-nI |
| 16:59.15 | tremon | only thing I can think of is to try the latest stable netinstall cd or try a full install disc |
| 16:59.51 | tremon | enkidu: you may also try asking #debian-boot on oftc, I doubt many people here have experience with the ia64 installer |
| 17:00.09 | enkidu | disk is not an option on this machine. I will try new netboot for sure |
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| 17:04.52 | enkidu | ok, offf to srv room |
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| 17:05.05 | kryl | hi, is it possible to detect crypted partition on a hd ? |
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| 17:05.23 | kryl | I guess yes for luks but what about dm-crypt ? |
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| 17:05.55 | tremon | no. dm-crypt has no detectable header |
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| 17:07.11 | Brigo | enkidu: should be a bug ia64 are supported for ftp.debian.org and most servers. |
| 17:07.14 | kryl | and if I'm sure it's dm-crypt is it possible to detect the encryption algo used ? |
| 17:08.01 | frostschutz | kryl, no. if you know the passphrase you could try all of them... |
| 17:08.13 | tremon | kryl: no. Only thing you can do is try a number of encryption methods and keys and hope the result is readable |
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| 17:16.34 | geekou | hi there ! is this normal that a clean sid install can't install xserver-xorg ? |
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| 17:18.09 | tremon | I wouldn't call it normal, but it's certainly expected that package are every now and then uninstallable in sid |
| 17:18.21 | tremon | s/package/&s/ |
| 17:18.23 | geekou | yeah, but still.. |
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| 17:18.26 | geekou | it usually works |
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| 17:21.06 | cdb2 | can someone tell my why nginx cant cache all at once? |
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| 17:21.17 | tremon | geekou: https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/xserver1.15.html |
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| 17:30.47 | geekou | tremon: okay thx for the info! |
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| 17:31.23 | Damncold | hi, is there any firewall rules in place with a fresh debian 7 installation? |
| 17:31.36 | Damncold | and how can i check this |
| 17:31.49 | treehouse | can I make apt-get install needed dependencies by force, without removing stuff as a solution? |
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| 17:33.32 | tremon | Damncold: there isn't, check with iptables -L. Maybe iptables isn't even part of a default install |
| 17:34.09 | Damncold | yes it is, but there are no rules in place |
| 17:35.01 | Damncold | thx |
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| 17:40.36 | ZIPY | hi, im looking for a software that can print pdfs in a handout format like this: http://powerpointsymphony.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ppt-handouts.jpg. does someone know a software? |
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| 17:53.46 | adkins | hello, suddenly my machine reboots instead of shutting down after the commands "shutdown -h now" "init 0" "poweroff" why is that? |
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| 18:00.58 | enkidu | Brigo: okay, it was outdated installer, recent one started working. However, using separate /usr partition was very bad idea, because fsck.ext4 relies on dynamic libunwind |
| 18:01.03 | enkidu | justdebianthings |
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| 18:11.09 | tremon | enkidu: that should be filed as a bug, as debian officially still supports separate /usr. As a workaround, add break=init to your kernel command line and mount /usr manually from the initramfs |
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| 18:11.58 | tremon | hopes that the ia64 bootloader allows editing the kernel command line |
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| 18:15.25 | Matt_von_Mises | If my deb package contains shared libraries used in different packages how do I get it so that dpkg will install my package even when the shared libraries are installed by another package? |
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| 18:16.23 | Matt_von_Mises | I also need my package to "Provide" those packages without causing conflict. |
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| 18:18.24 | gnu-man1 | Can a subdirectory of another directory be owned by a completely different user? |
| 18:18.53 | Matt_von_Mises | So essentially I need to be including other packages in my debian package. |
| 18:19.53 | centrx | gnu-man1, Yes |
| 18:20.23 | centrx | Matt_von_Mises, https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging#Introduction_to_Debian_Packaging |
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| 18:20.56 | Matt_von_Mises | centrx: I've already looked at the documentation. |
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| 18:22.26 | adkins | my rebooting instead of powering off issue disapeared after deinstalling laptop-mode-tools........i wonder if laptop-mode-tools brings really that much battery time? do you all use it? |
| 18:22.57 | centrx | Matt_von_Mises, Okay, I am not an expert at packaging, but I would say you can provide the same virtual package that the library provides, assuming its reverse-dependencies rely on a virtual package name |
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| 18:24.12 | Matt_von_Mises | centrx: If you have a virtual package via Provides, doesn't that allow any package requiring dependencies given as virtual packages to be satisfied by them? |
| 18:25.04 | centrx | Matt_von_Mises, Any package that Depends on the virtual package will have its dependency satisfied by the package that Provides the virtual package |
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| 18:25.29 | tremon | that applies only to non-versioned dependencies iirc |
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| 18:27.08 | Matt_von_Mises | centrx: That's great, but when I put the names of the packages that my packages includes (includes the files that is) under "Provides", when I come to install my package with the packages my package includes already installed gdebi complains of a conflict. |
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| 18:27.53 | Matt_von_Mises | That might sound complex so let me paste what I get… |
| 18:27.54 | centrx | Matt_von_Mises, What happens if you uninstall the other package? |
| 18:28.03 | Matt_von_Mises | "Error: Breaks existing package 'libboost-filesystem1.46.1' that conflict: 'libboost-filesystem1.46.1'. But the '/home/matt/cancercurecoin-0.8.6.2-64bit.deb' provides it via: 'libboost-thread1.46.1,libboost-system1.46.1,libboost-filesystem1.46.1,libboost-program-options1.46.1'" |
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| 18:28.29 | Matt_von_Mises | centrx: I assume it would work, but I don't want people who install my package to need to uninstall anything else. |
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| 18:28.59 | wloo299 | Any update on hexchat being available in the debian repository... it's based on the same license as xchat (which is archaic) ... yet is absent... |
| 18:29.08 | abrotman | wloo299: xchat works fine? |
| 18:29.13 | enkidu | tremon: actually I falled back to one FS, but I'll have to file this and another bug |
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| 18:29.41 | abrotman | IRC protcol has changed so much in past few years .. it's really quite amazing |
| 18:29.43 | wloo299 | "works fine" does not answer my question |
| 18:29.48 | abrotman | wloo299: Look for an RFP or ITP |
| 18:30.02 | wloo299 | I don't care about your opinions |
| 18:30.10 | centrx | wloo299, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702075 |
| 18:30.18 | abrotman | wloo299: Do you know what RFP or ITP is? |
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| 18:31.12 | abrotman | wloo299: that ITP was largely dormant. A new person stepped up last week. Offer to help if you want to see it sooner. |
| 18:31.17 | wloo299 | I am abandoning this ITP - First, it has a GPL license, but links |
| 18:31.17 | wloo299 | OpenSSL, but doesn't have an OpenSSL exception, which makes it a bit |
| 18:31.17 | wloo299 | problematic. |
| 18:31.21 | wloo299 | that's a load of bullshit |
| 18:31.24 | abrotman | read teh bottm |
| 18:31.25 | abrotman | bottom |
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| 18:31.34 | wloo299 | What is xchat grandfathered in? |
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| 18:31.43 | abrotman | actually, that's not a load of bullshit .. but you're probably right |
| 18:31.55 | wloo299 | they both are GPL + link to openssl |
| 18:32.07 | abrotman | wloo299: So append the bug, correct the guy .. You have that ability |
| 18:32.08 | Dr_Centrx | Finish reading... |
| 18:32.14 | tremon | wloo299: are you volunteering to do both the legal groundwork for that, and offering to maintain the package in debian? |
| 18:32.18 | abrotman | Dr_Centrx: nah, let's just freak out first |
| 18:32.47 | wloo299 | What legal groundwork is there to do |
| 18:32.50 | abrotman | nevermind that openssl still isn't GPL .. |
| 18:32.52 | wloo299 | they're published under the exact same license! |
| 18:33.12 | wloo299 | hexchat is simply a fork of xchat |
| 18:33.21 | tremon | to establish precedent across the globe that the software using the gpl doesn't need an exception for bundling openssh |
| 18:33.23 | abrotman | that dosen't get them the same exemption ... |
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| 18:33.41 | wloo299 | so why hasn't xchat been removed from the repository if this is problematic |
| 18:33.48 | abrotman | Apparently reading is hard .. |
| 18:33.52 | wloo299 | stfu |
| 18:33.54 | wloo299 | you're a moron |
| 18:33.54 | wloo299 | rofl |
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| 18:33.59 | Dr_Centrx | And there we have it |
| 18:34.14 | tremon | I'll take that as a no then |
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| 18:34.23 | romm | Can anyone point me to some text what explain why Canonical's CLA is problematic with regards to the init system? |
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| 18:34.35 | romm | s/what explain/that explains |
| 18:34.40 | abrotman | "I don't understand why OpenSSL is incompatible with the GPL, or that hexchat and xchat are different projects" |
| 18:34.53 | abrotman | romm: probably in #ubuntu they could ? |
| 18:35.07 | abrotman | romm: though you might want to specify which init system |
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| 18:35.19 | Matt_von_Mises | I should mention that I tried adding Provides and Replaces together and that does not work. There is still a conflict. |
| 18:35.20 | zq | salut a tous |
| 18:35.40 | zq | is it possible to tell debian to set every available network iface to a static ip? |
| 18:35.58 | tremon | romm: http://www.muktware.com/2014/01/linus-torvalds-cla-fundamentally-broken/19811 for one |
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| 18:36.04 | abrotman | zq: yes |
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| 18:36.08 | zq | i had a setting for eth0, then switched out the hard drive to another motherboard and now it shows up as eth1 |
| 18:36.09 | romm | abrotman: I mean that I've seen many DDs mentioning that the CLA is problematic as one of the reasons Debian shouldn't go with Upstart. |
| 18:36.23 | abrotman | dpkg: tell zq about z70 |
| 18:36.29 | romm | tremon: Ah. Thanks. |
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| 18:37.14 | abrotman | romm: to be fair, there are many references to this on thte internet |
| 18:37.21 | Matt_von_Mises | Maybe I should rename the files, and check to see if the final files exist already in the postinst. If they do, delete the renamed files, if they don't then rename the files to what they are supposed to be. |
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| 18:43.37 | blkdg | hello, i have a new installation of debian 7.2. is it possible to install compiz? I have followed the instructions I found online, but I receive and error msg. that 'testing' is not valid. |
| 18:43.56 | Devastator | !compiz |
| 18:43.59 | dpkg | Compiz was a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. Compiz hasn't been developed for some time and is no longer part of Debian (see bugs #719870 and #677864). Plenty of other window managers have the same features as compiz. For a list of available window managers, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». See also http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/ or #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:45.27 | blkdg | thank you Devastator. Which one has the 'most' features? |
| 18:46.05 | Devastator | hum, dunno, maybe gnome?! |
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| 18:48.53 | doomikus | aren't aliases done via the alias command? I notice this isn't pre-installed with wheezy so I'm curious |
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| 18:49.12 | dondelelcaro | doomikus: alias is a shell builtin |
| 18:49.16 | Nik05 | doomikus what isnt preinstalled? |
| 18:49.28 | dondelelcaro | doomikus: so there's nothing to install |
| 18:49.30 | doomikus | alias, I think |
| 18:49.33 | doomikus | dondelelcaro: I see |
| 18:49.35 | Matt_von_Mises | I've thought about my problem and it seems using Replaces in the control file will still keep the replaced packages as installed. Is that correct? |
| 18:49.42 | doomikus | no "man alias" |
| 18:49.46 | tomodachi | hi . i need ia32-libs for an application on my debian 7 64 install, but apt is going to install shitloads of stuff i dont need like libsdl, avahi etc. This is a server |
| 18:49.49 | dondelelcaro | doomikus: right. You want help alias; |
| 18:49.52 | doomikus | man bash I suppose |
| 18:49.54 | Matt_von_Mises | So I should use Replaces in place of Provides. |
| 18:49.56 | doomikus | ok |
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| 18:49.58 | dondelelcaro | doomikus: or man bash; and search for alias. |
| 18:50.00 | tremon | doomikus: help alias |
| 18:50.13 | doomikus | thanks guys |
| 18:50.13 | Nik05 | like doomikus said, you need a shell that support alias, which is most shells |
| 18:50.15 | tremon | it's a bash builtin |
| 18:50.37 | blkdg | thanks again |
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| 18:51.11 | tremon | !tell tomodachi -about multi-arch |
| 18:51.26 | doomikus | I would guess alias is also built into zsh but not sh - I use bash, like most |
| 18:51.50 | dondelelcaro | doomikus: right |
| 18:51.55 | tomodachi | i get that i need to enable multiarch thats fine, but another 199 packages just because of this lib? |
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| 18:52.27 | dondelelcaro | doomikus: dash also supports alias, but you probably shouldn't be using it |
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| 18:52.35 | dondelelcaro | doomikus: (dash is what is now the default /bin/sh) |
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| 18:52.40 | ted20 | Hi! How to remove rc packages? apt-get doesn't support this? |
| 18:53.16 | tomodachi | ted20: you could perhaps do dpkg -l |grep packageName , then dpkg -r packageName |
| 18:53.32 | tremon | ted20: what are "rc" packages? do you mean essential? |
| 18:53.49 | doomikus | dondelelcaro: so dash replaces sh at least in debian-based distros? interesting, I'll have to read up on that. is it "sh-like" with a couple bells and whistles? |
| 18:54.18 | jordanm | doomikus: it's a POSIX compliant shell |
| 18:54.37 | tremon | tomodachi: the 200+ packages that made up ia32-libs is one of the reasons that multi-arch was created. Don't install that package, install the indiviidual i386 libraries that you actually need |
| 18:54.42 | ted20 | tomodachi: oohhh... I thinking about "remove config" packages |
| 18:55.01 | doomikus | jordanm: does that mean bash is not posix compliant in all ways? |
| 18:55.19 | ted20 | tomodachi: Look at this script dpkg --list |grep "^rc" | cut -d " " -f 3 | xargs dpkg --purge |
| 18:55.22 | tremon | ted20: oh, those rc. Try apt-get purge instead of remove |
| 18:55.32 | jordanm | doomikus: bash is mostly posix compliant, but has many more features than posix defines |
| 18:55.33 | tremon | better yet, use aptitude purge ~c |
| 18:55.35 | dondelelcaro | doomikus: no, bash is POSIX compliant (for the most part) too, but it's quite a bit larger than dash, so starts slower. |
| 18:55.46 | doomikus | ok, neat |
| 18:55.59 | dondelelcaro | (dash is also not entirely POSIX compliant, but that's because the POSIX standard for shells is missing some very important features) |
| 18:56.02 | jordanm | doomikus: if it's not in the posix spec, don't expect dash to have it |
| 18:56.31 | abrotman | ted20: aptitude purge '~c' or dpkg -P foopkg |
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| 18:56.59 | tremon | doomikus: bash is an interactive shell (so it supports user config, advanced line input etc). Dash is (mostly) a script execution engine |
| 18:57.07 | tomodachi | tremon: but it seems to depend on lbaudio2 libavahi etc, this is a virtual server with no X |
| 18:57.09 | ted20 | abrotman: ok, i haven't got a aptitude. I'm using this script. Ok, see u! |
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| 18:57.21 | abrotman | I could have helped him with the dpkg part .. but okay .. |
| 18:57.21 | tremon | tomodachi: what's "it"? |
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| 18:57.44 | tomodachi | dpkg -i ia32-libs-i386_0.4_i386.deb (i tried installing the deb with dpkg this time around) |
| 18:57.47 | dpkg | removes a speen from tomodachi and replaces it with ia32-libs-i386_0.4_i386.deb (i tried installing the deb with dpkg this time around) |
| 18:57.47 | doomikus | I have little understanding of posix other than I thought it was so programs met a certain standard across multiple systems |
| 18:57.58 | doomikus | things to learn :) |
| 18:58.06 | tremon | tomodachi: then don't install that package |
| 18:58.21 | nexutix | Is there a way to make WGET write to disk less frequently? |
| 18:58.39 | dondelelcaro | nexutix: generally, wget doesn't control when the disk is actually written to |
| 18:58.49 | tremon | nexutix: eatmydata wget ... |
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| 18:59.06 | dondelelcaro | tremon: good suggestion! |
| 18:59.14 | dondelelcaro | always forgets about some of those amusing commands |
| 18:59.26 | tomodachi | tremon: well, i need it , but not its dependencies... well thanks anyway i guess |
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| 19:00.11 | tremon | tomodachi: you don't need ia32-libs, that's what I was trying to say. With multi-arch, you can install individual libraries. Try apt-get install libc6:i386 for a start |
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| 19:01.16 | tremon | dondelelcaro: it might not make a difference though. it disables sync(), but wget might not be sync()ing at all |
| 19:01.40 | dondelelcaro | tremon: true |
| 19:02.01 | petn-randall | nexutix: Could you describe your problem? We could then look for a fix with you. |
| 19:02.04 | Tagor | Are there any alternatives for the gnome 3 window list bottom panel (I don't like it that I can't right click the applications and close them) and fippery (I don't like the ugly white border)? |
| 19:02.22 | petn-randall | eatmydata apt-get dist-upgrade is great way to upgrade servers fast ... if you have backups :) |
| 19:03.06 | nexutix | petn-randall: I am downloading wikipedia dump to my SSD. I just want to reduce IO because it is going to take 6-8 hours at my internet speed. Maybe write 2-3 MB data at once. |
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| 19:04.11 | nexutix | what does eatmydata do in Layman Terms? |
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| 19:04.57 | KaaK | how can i troubleshoot an rsyslog configuration fragment? i've got a simple filter of this form: 'if $msg contains 'string' then ....' but it is not working as i expect. |
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| 19:07.05 | petn-randall | nexutix: And writing less frequently will help with what? |
| 19:07.51 | petn-randall | nexutix: I/O will be exactly the same, because you still have to write the full dump to disk, right? |
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| 19:08.43 | nexutix | petn-randall: Does frequency of write affect my SSD? Because I read torrent downloads burn SSDs. I think this might be helpful: http://aria2.sourceforge.net/manual/en/html/aria2c.html#cmdoption--disk-cache |
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| 19:10.09 | petn-randall | nexutix: I don't understand how that will "burn" SDDs. Think about it, you have to write every single block you want to write once. You can't write less blocks without discarding or loosing data. |
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| 19:12.18 | nexutix | petn-randall: Ok. Thanks. i'll just leave it with wget. |
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| 19:12.54 | petn-randall | nexutix: Only thing I could think of is if they do writes that are smaller than the block size. But any program that does that would suck in performance anyway. |
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| 19:15.13 | enkidu | apt-clone seems to fail me too. wth is going on |
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| 19:15.33 | jhutchins | enkidu: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 19:15.57 | petn-randall | enkidu: My crystall ball needs polishing, you'll have to provide the info. |
| 19:16.00 | petn-randall | ;) |
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| 19:18.21 | enkidu | apt-clone created system snapshot info, but on another machine, when I tried to restore it, nothing happened |
| 19:18.36 | enkidu | also, was ia64 removed from jessie? |
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| 19:19.20 | enkidu | yeah, it was |
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| 19:19.35 | enkidu | always "legacy" hardware. |
| 19:20.51 | petn-randall | enkidu: If you're running jessie, check out #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 19:33.20 | tdn_ | I have a multi user system on which one user is supposed to do daily backups of all relevant files. Including users' home dirs. What is the best way of handling this with regards to file permissions? I see there is a system group called 'backup', and I made the user member of that. Should I then chown -R :backup /home? It does not seem right... |
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| 19:35.29 | BenNZ | tdn_: you could create a small script using rsync , tar or whatever you want to use and place it in /etc/cron.weekly |
| 19:35.44 | ChibaPet | tdn_: You generally need root privs to cross boundaries like that. |
| 19:36.25 | petn-randall | tdn_: you could use setfacl to give backup all permissions. |
| 19:36.32 | ChibaPet | tdn_: If a regular user has to kick it off, you can do things like give that user the appropriate access in sudo, or have root do it and then deposit the results so that that user can access them, transfer them, etc. |
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| 19:41.02 | navaismo | hello, I have a problem on debian 6, after an unsuccessful dpkg --configure -a i cant download anything using apt-get. I have searched in google the last day trying to fix the issue but if i run apt-get update I get a error about the PUB_KEY, trying to import the key didnt work cant contact the gpg server |
| 19:41.10 | navaismo | anyone can help |
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| 19:44.09 | navaismo | here is the error for the Pub_key: http://pastebin.com/JXer3RGv |
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| 19:46.58 | navaismo | when i try to autoremove this happen: http://pastebin.com/V6fUpexF |
| 19:47.44 | navaismo | but if i run with -f option it install and then an error with the udev and the initramfs image and cant install anything, im in a loop exist a solution or i need to reinstall the system? |
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| 19:48.57 | centrx | navaismo, About the public key, try a different server? |
| 19:49.12 | navaismo | centrx, yes no one respond |
| 19:49.48 | navaismo | i mean i have the same issue |
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| 19:50.32 | centrx | navaismo, What happens when you do dpkg --configure -a ? |
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| 19:51.05 | centrx | navaismo, Also, note that Debian 6 is quite old and support for it will end in May, so it may be time to upgrade anyway. |
| 19:51.19 | navaismo | nothing, just show me again the linux shell |
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| 19:51.52 | navaismo | i was trying to upgrade, in the process everything goes wrong, and im stuck now |
| 19:51.54 | centrx | navaismo, apt-get autoremove may simply be trying to uninstall a package it shouldn't. That is what that error message is (I think) |
| 19:52.14 | centrx | navaismo, You are in the middle of the upgrade now? |
| 19:52.19 | centrx | navaismo, Try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:52.36 | centrx | navaismo, The dist-upgrade handles major upgrades of this sort |
| 19:52.49 | centrx | navaismo, Did the public key problem happen after you started upgrading? |
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| 19:53.11 | babilen | navaismo: Upgrade from what to what? |
| 19:53.35 | navaismo | centrx, yes that started after the failed upgrade |
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| 19:53.42 | navaismo | babilen, from 6 to 7 |
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| 19:54.57 | Leoneof | hi, i cannot build libcairo by using this command: dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc, i get this error: http://paste.debian.net/80708/ |
| 19:55.18 | babilen | navaismo: Okay, at which point in the release notes did you run into problems, what have you done exactly and what is the current situation? Could you paste corresponding output (and best the script you created as instructed in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#record-session to http://paste.debian.net ) ? |
| 19:55.21 | navaismo | centrx, now if i run utoremove with option -f a prompt appear with the warning abaout removing kernel images but the warning show the running kernel so i abort the process |
| 19:55.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell navaismo -about localised errors |
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| 19:56.47 | navaismo | babilen cant run anything with apt-get |
| 19:56.51 | navaismo | system broken |
| 19:56.53 | r31n3r | does anyone know whether it is planned for systemd to replace sysvinit for the next releases? |
| 19:58.06 | microcode | fml |
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| 19:58.07 | microcode | fmfl |
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| 19:58.23 | microcode | http://p.xqz.ca/a48a4 << I was handed this machine, what have they done to my apt? |
| 19:58.29 | joltcan | r31n3r: Thats a so big decition that I don't think we will have any straight answers on that yet |
| 19:58.36 | babilen | navaismo: Okay, what exactly did you do before and at which step in the release notes did you run into problems? Could you show us a paste of those problems? What have you done since then? |
| 19:58.51 | r31n3r | joltcan: thanks for the information ;) |
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| 19:59.17 | Nik05 | hey anyone know in which manual page i cant find info on APT::... options? |
| 19:59.21 | navaismo | babilen one sec |
| 19:59.21 | joltcan | r31n3r: lets just say the debate is intense |
| 19:59.49 | centrx | microcode, Looks like someone installed all the i386 packages in addition to the amd64 packages... |
| 19:59.59 | babilen | microcode: We need to see your sources.list and probably the outout of "apt-cache policy" along with that of "apt-get -fs install" and "aptitude -fs install" on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 20:00.47 | babilen | microcode: Oh, and throw in "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" |
| 20:01.07 | microcode | ahh |
| 20:01.32 | joltcan | Nik05: not sure, man apt.conf? |
| 20:01.53 | Nik05 | joltcan nope :( |
| 20:01.53 | microcode | babilen: no output for dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 20:02.10 | babilen | Nik05: apt.conf(5) and referenced documentation |
| 20:02.11 | joltcan | Nik05: apt-config dump |
| 20:02.14 | joltcan | ? |
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| 20:02.55 | Nik05 | ah here it is... /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
| 20:03.02 | babilen | microcode: Well, throw in the rest and, say, "apt-cache policy libsasl2-2 libssl1.0.0" |
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| 20:03.18 | Nik05 | well thats what the apt.conf manual says, lets try out |
| 20:03.22 | babilen | Nik05: Yeah, that's the referenced file in apt.conf(5) I was referring to. :) |
| 20:03.28 | Nik05 | thank you babilen :) |
| 20:03.29 | Leoneof | anybody? :[ |
| 20:04.51 | babilen | Leoneof: Why do you want to compile it and what are your exact commands up until that stage? |
| 20:05.49 | navaismo | babilen, centrx hope this helps-->http://pastebin.com/HDJsESHm |
| 20:05.51 | Nik05 | babilen that one still doesnt have all options :( |
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| 20:06.23 | Nik05 | but the manual of apt.conf says it has all options :S |
| 20:06.25 | microcode | babilen: http://p.xqz.ca/77c35 here you go |
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| 20:07.26 | Nik05 | ok i will just grep -r on /usr/share... |
| 20:08.22 | Leoneof | babilen: because i want to do :) |
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| 20:09.29 | babilen | navaismo: You started your upgrade from squeeze to wheezy with a "dpkg --configure -a" ? |
| 20:09.33 | microcode | hmm |
| 20:09.51 | navaismo | i just follow the apt-get instructions |
| 20:10.11 | navaismo | apt-get said run that and now im screwed so much lol |
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| 20:11.17 | babilen | navaismo: apt-get instructs you to do that when? I'm just trying to understand what you have been doing. Did you follow the process in the release notes? (i.e. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html ) |
| 20:11.51 | babilen | microcode: thanks |
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| 20:12.17 | babilen | microcode: Why don't you have aptitude installed? |
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| 20:12.58 | babilen | microcode: And what about "apt-cache policy libssl1.0.0 libsasl2-2" ? |
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| 20:13.21 | navaismo | babilen, no, the upgrade started because i just wanted the openvpn package and all was kinda old, so first run apt-get update- that result in the dpkg blablba then system lost |
| 20:13.36 | saivert | nice. server halted because of a disk error. Feb 7 19:46:53 server01 kernel: [999000.134608] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed |
| 20:13.55 | saivert | SMART data shows 7 reallocated sectors |
| 20:14.00 | navaismo | babilen, so i guess the previos admin missconfigured something since in the past a simple apt-get install was enough to install package |
| 20:14.09 | gnu-man1 | So the user UID is more exact than just the user name? |
| 20:14.13 | navaismo | babilen, but this time not, it bitching about dpkg |
| 20:14.15 | babilen | navaismo: Systems don't simply upgrade from one major release to the next without explicit changes to /etc/apt/sources.list .. unless you have "stable" or so in there. |
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| 20:14.21 | saivert | but the disk is not storing anything critical. it is not the root filesystem drive |
| 20:14.28 | saivert | so it shouldn't bring down the server |
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| 20:14.44 | babilen | navaismo: Okay, could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list and the previous paste together to http://paste.debian.net (*not* pastebin.com!) |
| 20:14.44 | navaismo | babilen, yeah the source list was in stable and squeeze |
| 20:14.49 | saivert | it is part of a btrfs multi disk volume though |
| 20:14.54 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a log file parser similar to logcheck, but which allows "grouping" (e.g. applying a regex and merging all matching lines) and filtering of events . The log files are quite big and I'm not interested in each report, but if it happens a number of time (some configurable threshold) then I'd like to get a report for some logs. Other should be always reported. Any ideas? Thanks. |
| 20:15.36 | babilen | navaismo: Would an upgrade to wheezy be acceptable for that box? You really shouldn't use "stable" in your sources.list as the meaning of that changes whenever a new "stable" is released. |
| 20:16.35 | microcode | babilen: http://p.xqz.ca/0b34d |
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| 20:17.04 | navaismo | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/80709/ |
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| 20:17.55 | babilen | microcode: And "dpkg -l libssl1.0.0" ? Could you somehow attach additional pastes to the original ones (makes it easier to see the issue at once) |
| 20:18.14 | babilen | microcode: /var/log/apt/history.log would probably also be interesting |
| 20:19.01 | babilen | navaismo: Did you edit that file ever since the problems started? I can't seem to find "stable" in there right now. |
| 20:19.12 | babilen | (well, only commented) |
| 20:19.49 | microcode | babilen: http://p.xqz.ca/cbf68 |
| 20:19.57 | microcode | hmm |
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| 20:20.20 | navaismo | babilen, yep i commented that out and tried again |
| 20:20.48 | babilen | navaismo: Okay, would an upgrade to wheezy be acceptable for that machine? |
| 20:21.24 | navaismo | if it works all is acceptable right now |
| 20:21.34 | babilen | navaismo: And "dpkg -l libsasl2-2" ? |
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| 20:23.06 | navaismo | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/80712/ |
| 20:23.10 | babilen | navaismo: "Remove: ia32-libs:amd64" broke things. You might be able to run a "aptitude purge ~c" .. It looks as if you have i386 versions still installed even though i386 is not a configured foreign architecture (why? did you remove it?) |
| 20:23.26 | babilen | navaismo: lenny? heh |
| 20:24.11 | microcode | babilen: I'm trying an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:24.19 | microcode | because it seems to be working |
| 20:24.47 | babilen | navaismo: Well, that machine looks as if it is a unhealthy collection of packages from lenny, squeeze and stable and it also looks as if nobody ever performed a proper upgrade from lenny to squeeze or squeeze to wheezy. |
| 20:24.50 | microcode | doesn't seem to have done anything though |
| 20:25.13 | babilen | microcode: I'd add i386 as architecture in again and take it from there. |
| 20:25.23 | microcode | yeah? |
| 20:25.28 | microcode | what exactly would that do, by the way? |
| 20:25.41 | navaismo | babilen, yeah I inherited that server |
| 20:25.41 | microcode | it's an x86-64 machine |
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| 20:25.43 | navaismo | trying to do my best right know |
| 20:26.00 | centrx | navaismo, The most reliable thing to do would be a fresh install |
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| 20:26.13 | navaismo | :S |
| 20:26.18 | saivert | security.debian.org seems to be down on IPv6 2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f |
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| 20:26.30 | babilen | navaismo: I'd recommend to reinstall it. You *might* be able to fix it with a bunch of work, but juggling a machine stuck in an upgrade between *three* releases is, well, tricky to say the least. |
| 20:26.31 | navaismo | babilen, after ran the purge command it is tryin to remove this: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 20:26.48 | navaismo | babilen, but my uname is:2.6.26-2-686 |
| 20:26.56 | babilen | navaismo: The right way forward would have been to upgrade it to squeeze and then to wheezy |
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| 20:27.07 | microcode | babilen: how does one do that correctly, by the way? |
| 20:27.19 | babilen | navaismo: Yeah, it seems to be a lenny box that got to taste some squeeze and wheezy packages. |
| 20:27.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell microcode -about multiarch |
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| 20:27.54 | tg2 | ahoy, is there a way to add a timed delay to the loading of x.org? |
| 20:27.56 | babilen | microcode: The How-To is pretty good. |
| 20:27.58 | navaismo | babilen, it is safe to remove that image even if i am on that running kernel? |
| 20:28.05 | tg2 | ie: i want the system to start up, have some time to load up drivers for abunch of devices, then start x.org |
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| 20:28.26 | centrx | microcode, I had a similar problem with another machine recently. I uninstalled all the i386 packages before proceeding. That may not be an option for you. |
| 20:28.56 | microcode | it is |
| 20:29.01 | microcode | I don't want or need any of them |
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| 20:29.10 | microcode | they were installed before I got there but are completely unnecessary |
| 20:29.19 | centrx | navaismo, It is risky. If you reboot the machine (or power goes out) before you fix it, you will not be able to boot. |
| 20:29.23 | microcode | is there a way to do that quickly, centrx? |
| 20:30.33 | centrx | microcode, Be careful with this since I am giving it to you from memory: dpkg -l |grep i386 |cut -d " " -f3 |xargs dpkg --purge |
| 20:30.50 | centrx | microcode, You should verify it is giving the right packages by testing it without the last clause |
| 20:31.01 | saivert | oh nice. apt's Acquire::ForceIPv4 only works in jessie and I'm on wheezy |
| 20:31.07 | navaismo | centrx, yep thats why i dont remove the image yet... |
| 20:31.17 | navaismo | well thx for al the help |
| 20:31.20 | babilen | navaismo: I see three ways out of that horrible mess you got yourself into (do *not* mix three (or two!) releases): 1. Reinstall wheezy and be done with it 2. Downgrade everything to lenny, upgrade to squeeze (/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze) and then to wheezy (/msg dpkg lenny->wheezy) 3. Try to upgrade to wheezy. |
| 20:31.27 | saivert | that should be backported |
| 20:31.33 | centrx | microcode, Also, the packages are depended upon by the ia32-libs packages (or similar name)... |
| 20:31.38 | peterrooney | tg2: Thought exercise: when do you believe drivers for devices are loaded? Practical question: What are you _really_ trying to do? |
| 20:31.53 | navaismo | babilen, in the case that i can remove the image which is the *correct* process to upgrade the distro? |
| 20:31.56 | tg2 | i guess waht I want to do |
| 20:32.10 | tg2 | is start xdm/x after system gets to userspace |
| 20:32.13 | centrx | microcode, So you have to uninstall those first |
| 20:32.15 | tg2 | vs starting it before it's there |
| 20:32.34 | babilen | navaismo: It really depends on what you have installed .. all in all it might be easier to simply reinstall that box. You might want to try the upgrade to *squeeze* (see http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/releasenotes ) and then to wheezy, but if you have packages installed from wheezy that might fail horribly too. |
| 20:32.35 | tg2 | i had a similar issue where fstab was trying to load a network mount before network settings were set |
| 20:33.00 | tg2 | the ghetto solution was to put the mount in init |
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| 20:33.26 | babilen | navaismo: The correct process is always documented in the release notes of the release you are trying to upgrade to. Sorry that you got into this mess, but "stable" in your sources.list with a box that is two releases behind the current stable is simply a recipe for desaster. |
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| 20:33.41 | navaismo | right |
| 20:33.43 | simon_ | is it clean style to add things via cronjob? |
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| 20:34.14 | babilen | microcode: If apt-get/aptitude can't figure anything out with i386 enabled again you might have to purge the i386 packages manually with dpkg |
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| 20:34.43 | phw | I get permission errors in 1/3 tries when I try to access files inside a mounted nfs share. What could I do wrong? (Setting parameters in fstab necessary?) |
| 20:35.27 | babilen | simon_: "things" ? |
| 20:35.43 | simon_ | errr |
| 20:36.00 | simon_ | i meant mounts like network-storrage |
| 20:36.15 | babilen | simon_: i'd consider that unusual |
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| 20:36.22 | babilen | (therefore bad) |
| 20:36.25 | simon_ | oh |
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| 20:36.54 | simon_ | is it something about security or only "dirty trick" |
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| 20:38.14 | phogg | simon_: I can't imagine why you'd need to use a cron job to change mounts. Sounds like a broken configuration. |
| 20:38.48 | babilen | simon_: It is a fairly unusual thing to do and therefore violates the principle of least surprise. I would expect mounts to be configured in the normal places such as /etc/fstab and also that those files are not modified "erratically" by a cron job. |
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| 20:39.02 | simon_ | i just juse it to mount my raspberrys filesystem on my netbook from all over the world |
| 20:39.29 | babilen | simon_: And why do you need a cron job to do that? |
| 20:39.31 | simon_ | babilen: no ive just added sshfs *blabla* in crontab |
| 20:39.55 | r31n3r | simon_: isn't rc.local a more sensible place for that kind of stuff? |
| 20:39.56 | simon_ | do on bootup |
| 20:40.07 | simon_ | dont know, you are the deb channel |
| 20:40.14 | simon_ | im just average user ;) |
| 20:40.20 | r31n3r | rather than fiddling with /etc/rc*.d or cronjobs |
| 20:40.25 | babilen | haha :) |
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| 20:40.59 | r31n3r | simon_: are are also part of the 'deb channel', as you are in here, though :P |
| 20:41.10 | babilen | simon_: do it in /etc/fstab |
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| 20:41.33 | petn-randall | simon_: Use autofs if you need it. cron jobs will only break in the long run. |
| 20:41.54 | simon_ | ok will give it a try |
| 20:41.59 | babilen | simon_: Another thing to do would be to use an automounter (e.g. autofs) or nautilus' "Mount external server" (or so) functionality |
| 20:42.15 | babilen | A cron job is definitely not a good idea |
| 20:42.44 | simon_ | jes i used nautilus-mount-thing in the first week |
| 20:43.09 | babilen | brb (tel) |
| 20:43.10 | jhutchins | simon_: Cron jobs are traditionally for scheduled tasks like nightly maintenance. At is used for one-off scheduled tasks. System-wide start-up tasks should be called from rc.local. |
| 20:43.26 | simon_ | where to find rc.local? |
| 20:43.38 | babilen | Or a decicated init script (/msg dpkg init script) that depends on $network in this case) |
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| 20:43.53 | jhutchins | simon_: Mounts should be handled by fstab, but for a removable or network filesystem, autofs is a good idea. |
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| 20:44.14 | jhutchins | simon_: For pluggable devices, udev. |
| 20:44.37 | simon_ | use fstab allready to mount filesystems on raspberry |
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| 20:46.12 | Smoochict | Hi |
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| 20:47.00 | redcheckers | hi, is there a debian installer that i can use from the command line, of an already configured filesystem/partition layout, or just from the livecd type mediums? |
| 20:47.02 | simon_ | btw: thanks for hel |
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| 20:47.11 | simon_ | p |
| 20:47.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell redcheckers -about debootstrap |
| 20:47.43 | redcheckers | babilen: ah perfect, thanks |
| 20:47.44 | DanielRb | Is dpkg a bot? |
| 20:47.51 | simon_ | night everyone |
| 20:48.01 | babilen | dpkg: bot |
| 20:48.01 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 20:50.00 | valeriusL | calc bootcd |
| 20:50.14 | valeriusL | calc bootflash |
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| 20:50.35 | valeriusL | calc bootcd=See bootflash |
| 20:50.48 | valeriusL | oops... |
| 20:50.56 | valeriusL | wrong channel |
| 20:51.01 | valeriusL | sorry |
| 20:51.07 | dast | lol |
| 20:51.08 | DanielRb | What channel? |
| 20:51.10 | DanielRb | Lol |
| 20:51.11 | babilen | s/channel/shell |
| 20:51.34 | valeriusL | shell? |
| 20:51.40 | babilen | nvm. lets move on |
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| 20:51.43 | valeriusL | why shell, |
| 20:51.46 | valeriusL | ? |
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| 20:52.41 | Arctico | dpkg: Then, are you a bot or not? I don't know :( |
| 20:52.41 | dpkg | ...but then, is already something else... |
| 20:53.10 | DanielRb | Dpkg: where can I download you? |
| 20:53.11 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 20:54.40 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 20:54.44 | Arctico | dpkg: I love you mate. I couldn't live without you |
| 20:54.44 | dpkg | Arctico: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 20:54.59 | Azrael_- | how can i permanently change the reader for man-pages from "more" to "less"? |
| 20:55.02 | DanielRb | Dpkg: spam |
| 20:55.02 | dpkg | it has been said that spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, to destroy it, try <spamassassin> (spamd+spamc), <bogofilter>, <razor>/<pyzor>, <crm114> (but be ready to train it for a week), <dspam>, http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt . See also <greylisting>, <spf>, <list spam>. |
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| 21:13.54 | Salwan | Hi everyone |
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| 21:15.25 | Salwan | I'm trying to package a game as deb using dpkg |
| 21:15.36 | Salwan | there is a different package for binary installed in /usr/games |
| 21:15.49 | Salwan | and another one for data installed in /usr/share/games/game |
| 21:16.04 | Salwan | everything is working correctly until I try to start the game |
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| 21:16.22 | Salwan | it cannot find the data path |
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| 21:16.40 | Salwan | what am I doing wrong? or what's causing this? help is very appreciated |
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| 21:24.43 | constl_ | I'm having trouble accessing remotely a debian wheezy with sshd reporting |
| 21:25.18 | constl_ | "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" |
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| 21:27.13 | dizzylizzy | If I have a program in /usr/share/application/programname.desktop, but I want to change this file, wouldn't it be better if I put my own version of it in ~/.local/share/applications/programname.desktop rather than change the file directly? Just so it doesn't mess with apt's files? |
| 21:27.23 | dizzylizzy | and if so, how would I suppress the original .desktop file? |
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| 21:29.11 | tdn | petI have never heard about setfaccl before. Does this require xattrs? |
| 21:29.44 | Mongo44 | Is there any way to get a newer version of VBox than what is available in Synaptic for Wheezy? |
| 21:30.34 | vimel | did you check virtualbox.org? |
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| 21:44.43 | Mongo44 | Alright I am downloading VBox-4.3_4, how should I install it properly? |
| 21:45.23 | Mongo44 | I would like to use it to upgrade the old one. |
| 21:45.55 | Mongo44 | Or should I just specify a different location? |
| 21:46.27 | vimel | i would purge the old one and reboot. then install the new one reboot. just to be on the safe side. |
| 21:46.44 | Mongo44 | Damn that sucks. |
| 21:47.12 | Mongo44 | I just got a 30 gig Wheezy VM that I like. |
| 21:47.31 | vimel | thats what i do and i have np. you could do it another way and suffer the potential breakage. |
| 21:47.35 | vimel | just clone it |
| 21:48.06 | vimel | in fact if you back up your vdi or vhd file you should be able to import it again. thats what i do. |
| 21:48.08 | vimel | works fine. |
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| 21:48.44 | Mongo44 | Clone the VM put it somewhere else, install the new VBox, and run it? |
| 21:48.55 | vimel | ^ |
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| 21:49.09 | tdn | petn-randall, have never heard about setfaccl before. Does this require xattrs? |
| 21:49.24 | vimel | or backup the vhd file and import to your new VB install. either way works. |
| 21:49.51 | Mongo44 | There a command for that? |
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| 21:51.36 | vimel | just open up your VB manager and right click the VM you want to clone and select clone. |
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| 22:02.17 | indieross | does anybody have an idea what might be causing this bug with my theme? http://youtu.be/EJ8RAopCn18 |
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| 22:06.30 | slept | indieross, no, the text is unreadable. Is the mouse movement intentional? What is the problem? |
| 22:07.07 | JoshuaP | if i have assigned failover IPs to a server, do i have to use the server to grab the IPs before they reply to ping? |
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| 22:08.38 | petn-randall | tdn: No, it sets ACLs. Not quite the same, but also file attributes if you wish. |
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| 22:16.44 | foul_owl | Does anyone know any flags to speed up a dd operation to a usb flash drive? noatime or similar? |
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| 22:20.17 | shawnbon206_ | i was in virtualbox and the mouse got captured and the right-ctrl key wasnt uncapturing it. so i had to raise elephants |
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| 22:22.04 | dwarven | you had to what? |
| 22:23.16 | Tramp | dwarven: sysrq |
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| 22:23.54 | petn-randall | foul_owl: Set the byte size, e.g. bs=1M. |
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| 22:24.14 | petn-randall | foul_owl: Right now you're copying it byte by byte, this will wear out your drive. |
| 22:24.38 | dwarven | petn-randall: isn't it buffered? |
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| 22:25.32 | treehouse | I've got 5 harddisks. They're put to sleep in windows, but I don't know whether they're put to sleep in linux when not used. How do I put the other 4 to sleep? |
| 22:25.54 | smyers | The reasoning isn't great, but the solution is sound. Set bs (block size, bytes are always 8 bits...) high to increase how much dd itself buffers before issuing the write. |
| 22:26.16 | petn-randall | dwarven: By default it isn't, and the block size is 1 byte then. |
| 22:26.38 | dwarven | petn-randall: i meant the usb and disk i/o, not dd. |
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| 22:29.55 | petn-randall | dwarven: Yeah, but since you're copying single bytes the I/O subsystem wil try to write them out as fast as possible, resulting in mutiple writes per block anyway. |
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| 22:31.05 | petn-randall | treehouse: You can configure the timeout with /etc/hdparm.conf. Check 'man hdparm' for options. |
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| 22:34.55 | treehouse | ty |
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| 22:35.28 | hexhaxtron | Is there a google script that provides links to a search? For example, $ google wikipedia, and it gives http://en.wikipedia.org among other links. |
| 22:35.50 | treehouse | petn-randall: if they aren't mounted, will they spin down automagically? |
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| 22:38.06 | dwarven | treehouse: yes, unless they are read or written to in other ways (like lvm or some other tool scanning the disks). |
| 22:38.32 | treehouse | dwarven: and if they are (once).. will they eventually spin down? |
| 22:38.48 | dwarven | treehouse: they should. |
| 22:38.53 | treehouse | :3 |
| 22:39.34 | petn-randall | treehouse: They don't need to be spinned down. hdparm will tell them via an ATA command to spin down after x seconds when idle, and the drives will keep track themselves. |
| 22:39.53 | petn-randall | treehouse: This is a different layer than filesystem access. |
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| 22:46.24 | foul_owl | petn-randall: Thanks! Any other flags I should set? |
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| 23:10.24 | Mongo44 | I downloaded a .deb file and I am not sure what to do with it. |
| 23:10.44 | vimel | you want to install it? |
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| 23:11.24 | petn-randall | Mongo44: What .deb is it? |
| 23:11.32 | Mongo44 | Pretty much, it is VBox 4.3_4 |
| 23:11.43 | fcn | Mongo44, now fire synaptic and search for virtualbox |
| 23:12.04 | vimel | Mongo44: dpkg -i /path/to/debfile |
| 23:12.47 | centrx | Mongo44, Probably best to use apt... |
| 23:12.54 | centrx | Especially if you don't know what to do with it... |
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| 23:16.12 | Mongo44 | The package is worthless I guess it isn't 64 bit. |
| 23:17.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell Mongo44 about vbox |
| 23:17.20 | Mongo44 | I should probably pay more attention when I am downloading stuff. |
| 23:17.36 | centrx | Mongo44, Is there a reason you cannot use apt? |
| 23:18.05 | Mongo44 | Synaptic? |
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| 23:18.19 | centrx | Or synaptic, yes |
| 23:18.23 | Mongo44 | It only has like 4.1. |
| 23:18.35 | petn-randall | !sns |
| 23:18.35 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 23:18.51 | centrx | Mongo44, 4.1 works very well? |
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| 23:18.54 | Mongo44 | That didn't work for my Lubuntu VM. |
| 23:18.54 | centrx | Mongo44, Backports has 4.2.16 |
| 23:19.27 | centrx | Mongo44, Why not? Are you sure it is configured properly? Why do you think the newer version will work better? |
| 23:20.35 | dwarven | !ssb |
| 23:20.35 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 23:20.36 | Mongo44 | I tried everything trying to get it to run in 1366x768 resolution. Was only 640x480. |
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| 23:21.20 | babilen | judd: v virtualbox |
| 23:21.21 | judd | Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.2.16-dfsg-3~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.2-dfsg-1+b1; sid/contrib: 4.3.2-dfsg-1+b1 |
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| 23:21.28 | cnz | I removed exim yet nmap still shows port 25 open why? |
| 23:21.53 | vimel | Mongo44: you need to install the VB guest additions on your guest VM. |
| 23:21.57 | Mongo44 | Someone on #ubuntu suggested that it might be because of the VBox version. |
| 23:22.02 | babilen | Mongo44: Now we are getting somewhere -- how exactly did you install it? Did you try the version in wheezy-backports already? |
| 23:22.04 | Mongo44 | I did that. |
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| 23:22.28 | babilen | Mongo44: Which distribution and version do you use? |
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| 23:23.01 | Mongo44 | No what is wrong with installing the newest version. Have something to do with Debian testing? |
| 23:23.04 | kale | hi, i'm trying to build a program "qtadb", but it seems it get wrong paths for uic. how do i get the correct uic? |
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| 23:23.38 | Mongo44 | I had 4.1.18. |
| 23:24.08 | centrx | Mongo44, There appears to be no reason to believe the newer version of virtualbox will be any different. It is best to use the packages in the Debian repository. |
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| 23:24.59 | vimel | Mongo44: im using VB 4.3.2 on jessie w np. other than some minor lag in my guest machines. my VB install came from apt. |
| 23:25.00 | Mongo44 | Alright how do I get the backports version? |
| 23:25.40 | centrx | dpkg, wheezy-backports |
| 23:25.40 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the "Jessie" (8.0) release of Debian but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 23:25.49 | vimel | just purge virtualbox then sudo apt-get install virtualbox. |
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| 23:27.21 | babilen | No need to purge it really |
| 23:28.05 | babilen | Mongo44: Configure backports, apt-get update and then "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install $FOO" (replace $FOO with whatever you want to install) |
| 23:28.11 | treehouse | alright.. so this is my problem: I don't trust skype, and I have to run it unfortunately. Now, chroot and a separate X11 session (potentially gives some privacy) didn't work out because skype need to report your MAC address to microsoft --disabling that made skype cry--. So I tried a VM, and it's going SLOW as hell, because my hardware is an old 2 core CPU, 2GB ram with a 64MB video memory. Now, how can I run skype without sending keystro |
| 23:28.11 | treehouse | kes/screenshots, my private files/contacts/everything_else to Microsoft? It's none of their business what my MAC address is. |
| 23:28.17 | indieross | slept, the problem is that there is a highlighted shadow over certain check boxes |
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| 23:28.28 | indieross | when i mouse over them |
| 23:28.37 | centrx | Skype reports MAC address to Microsoft. Good to know. |
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| 23:29.19 | centrx | treehouse, I would think virtual machine... |
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| 23:29.43 | centrx | treehouse, You could try a different VM, or set the nice value of the VM higher |
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| 23:29.50 | centrx | (or lower, rather) |
| 23:30.00 | treehouse | 'nice value'? |
| 23:30.03 | brokencycle | Hi! |
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| 23:30.23 | centrx | treehouse, "nice" is how the kernel determins the priority of scheduling a process |
| 23:30.26 | centrx | treehouse, See man nice |
| 23:30.35 | Derpadong | Could anyone help with my script? |
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| 23:30.44 | centrx | treehouse, (and/or renice) |
| 23:31.08 | treehouse | k thnx |
| 23:31.17 | Derpadong | Could bash do multiple files via "{}" or "()"? |
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| 23:31.46 | vimel | {} yes dunno about () |
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| 23:32.06 | Mongo44 | dpkg said deb http://http.debian.net/debian/. Did he mean deb http://ftp.debian.net/debian/? |
| 23:32.07 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Mongo44 |
| 23:32.16 | tremon | Derpadong: "do" multiple files? |
| 23:32.20 | kale | what do i do to make a .deb package? |
| 23:32.32 | dwarven | kale: from what? |
| 23:32.52 | babilen | Mongo44: No, it meant exactly what it said. |
| 23:32.59 | kale | dwarven: i only have a binary |
| 23:33.17 | Derpadong | tremon: I want to chmod all the files in one folder but idk how to do so |
| 23:33.33 | tremon | Derpadong: chmod -R ? |
| 23:33.39 | Mongo44 | I don't know where in my sources list to add it. |
| 23:33.40 | babilen | Mongo44: Read http://http.debian.net to learn about it. We also don't recommend nor are we happy is people use ftp.debian.org and not one of the many mirrors. |
| 23:34.02 | Derpadong | tremon: Could I use {} or () to get this done? |
| 23:34.04 | tremon | Mongo44: at the beginning of an empty line |
| 23:34.20 | babilen | Mongo44: It doesn't really matter as long as you add it. A suitable sources.list for wheezy would look like: http://paste.debian.net/80745/ |
| 23:34.22 | Nik05 | yeah dont use ftp.debian.org slow it down for me :( |
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| 23:34.32 | tremon | Derpadong: what's {} or () supposed to mean? |
| 23:34.42 | Derpadong | Like a list |
| 23:34.45 | babilen | Nik05: You also shouldn't use it. |
| 23:34.56 | Derpadong | like {package1, package2} |
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| 23:35.21 | tremon | Derpadong: yes, you can |
| 23:35.31 | babilen | Derpadong: Looking for #bash ? |
| 23:35.53 | Derpadong | babilen: Maybe lol |
| 23:35.57 | Nik05 | yeah kidding babilen, but i do use a mirror on the same subnet, so maybe that one gets faster when people stop using ftp.debian.org |
| 23:36.12 | tremon | Derpadong: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/Patterns#Brace_Expansion |
| 23:36.12 | dwarven | kale: you could write a simple makefile and use checkinstall. |
| 23:36.19 | dwarven | kale: though there are probably easier ways. |
| 23:36.31 | tremon | and yes, #bash is where you really should ask such questions |
| 23:36.31 | Nik05 | and thats the only one close here that gets updated soon and is not corrupt for me... |
| 23:37.21 | kale | dwarven: oh... there is source and all... but once compiling i end up with a single binary. should i go building a source package, and the build the binary from that? |
| 23:37.57 | dwarven | kale: yeah, if you want to distribute it to others that's probably the way to go. |
| 23:38.12 | kale | dwarven: any pointer to docs here? |
| 23:38.20 | dwarven | kale: https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging |
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| 23:38.55 | kale | dwarven: thanks, i guess i'll have to learn to use debain now ... |
| 23:39.20 | Mongo44 | Ok so I guess I will change everything besides security to debian.net. |
| 23:39.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell kale -about debian handbook |
| 23:40.10 | babilen | kale: Read the handbook, it is an excellent resource |
| 23:40.16 | vimel | ^ |
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| 23:44.45 | kale | in the debian package into it describes a source tarball, but the source is really from git, how do i handle that? |
| 23:45.24 | babilen | kale: I'd assume git-buildpackage or whatever is documented in README.source |
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| 23:46.06 | babilen | kale: fwiw, you should still be able to get hold of a "proper" source package with dget, apt-get source or by downloading it from http://packages.debian.org |
| 23:46.30 | kale | babilen: package is not in debian |
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| 23:46.40 | babilen | kale: Why do you in #debian then? |
| 23:46.44 | babilen | +ask |
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| 23:47.06 | kale | babilen: i am running debian, and i need qtadb which is not yet packaged |
| 23:48.07 | babilen | kale: Okay and you found it packaged somewhere and they make their packaging available as a git repository? |
| 23:48.18 | Imbue | is there a package I can install for some additional gtk themes (wheezy)? |
| 23:48.22 | kale | babilen: no, i only found the source on git |
| 23:49.41 | babilen | kale: Well, in that case it doesn't seem to be packaged at all. I'd install it normally (Depends on the software, but might be the usual ./configure, make, make install dance) -- I'd recommend strongly to install it to /usr/local and, in particular to use stow to manage that. |
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| 23:49.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell kale about stow usage |
| 23:49.56 | Chrisje | When i use tar I get a directory ".", how can I remove this . directory and show the files in root instead of ./. |
| 23:50.23 | babilen | kale: That program doesn't look very well maintained and I wouldn't necessarily recommend to use it. |
| 23:50.40 | kale | babilen: my question is about how to package it, not how to install it. i do know it can just copy the binary to /usr/local/bin, but thats not what i want. |
| 23:51.04 | kale | and yes i saw that coming, but take a look at bb, thats not maintained either, but its in debian |
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| 23:51.46 | Nik05 | check the debian packaging documentation |
| 23:51.54 | mrdeb | hi. how do u make gnome 3 search work |
| 23:52.03 | mrdeb | it doesn't find no fiels |
| 23:52.11 | babilen | kale: Ah, it really wasn't clear at all what you meant by "handle that" -- packaging guides are found at and linked from at http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers -- but then I wouldn't necessarily be too thrilled about packaging software that hasn't been maintained in three years |
| 23:52.12 | mrdeb | thank u! |
| 23:53.12 | babilen | kale: Just because there are unmaintained packages/upstream projects already packaged really doesn't mean that we need more of those. If you think that bb is not maintained properly or should be removed then please file a bug. |
| 23:53.12 | Mongo44 | When I updated it said could not resolve 'http.us.debian.net' |
| 23:53.37 | Nik05 | ftp.us.debian.org or http.debian.net |
| 23:53.42 | babilen | Mongo44: It is http.debian.net not http.us.debian.net -- Why do you think that the latter would work? |
| 23:54.07 | Mongo44 | Oh I don't know, thank you. |
| 23:54.11 | babilen | Mongo44: Just read http://http.debian.net to learn about that metamirror. |
| 23:54.25 | babilen | (I think I pointed that out earlier, but you might have missed that) |
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| 23:55.07 | kale | babilen: ahh looks like the tool is git-buildpackage, thanks |
| 23:55.14 | nabblet | hi, my multimedia-replay is stuttering (every minute or so, it loops for less than a second). video, sound in all formats with all kinds of players (vlc, mplayer, totem,...) and various sources (hdd, external hdd, stream) shows that sympthom. Backporting the kernel (using wheezy, backportet kernenl is 3.12) didn't help. Any ideas? |
| 23:55.55 | kale | nabblet: what are you using to play media? |
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| 23:56.25 | nabblet | kale: vlc, player, totem as just mentioned |
| 23:56.28 | brokencycle | My mdadm (RAID1) resync makes *no* progress, and the disks look idle. The corresponding md1_resync kernel threads is stuck in disk wait. Kernel is 3.13-rc6-amd64. Any ideas, please? |
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| 23:57.05 | tremon | brokencycle: broken disk? |
| 23:57.28 | tremon | I'd expect to find either a kernel panic or disk errors in dmesg |
| 23:57.35 | babilen | kale: https://honk.sigxcpu.org/piki/projects/git-buildpackage/ fwiw, but read the nmg first |
| 23:57.40 | kale | nabblet: what about: mplayer -vo vdpau <media> |
| 23:58.09 | Mongo44 | Hopefully VBox 4.2.16 will work with Lubuntu. |
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| 23:58.14 | nabblet | kale: ok, let me try. might take some time until i report back, since error occur "randomly" |
| 23:58.26 | kale | babilen: yes, i guess there is a lot of reading to do here. been 10 years since i ran woody :-) |
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| 23:59.15 | Mongo44 | What is the command to find out how much RAM I have? |
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| 23:59.30 | babilen | kale: have funand consider helping with a package that is up for adoption |
| 23:59.48 | babilen | Mongo44: "free -m" is probably what you are looking for |
| 23:59.53 | nabblet | Mongo44: free -h |
