| 00:01.36 | nabblet | kale: Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:01.40 | kale | babilen: well, as you stated, it looks unmaintained, but once i have tried out the program i'll see if its really ready for debian. it looks promising, but i havent really tried it out yet. |
| 00:01.50 | nabblet | kale: idon't have nvidia |
| 00:02.11 | Mongo44 | Well my swap is 11 GB so I guess around that. |
| 00:02.13 | kale | nabblet: what do you have? |
| 00:02.19 | nabblet | kale: intel |
| 00:02.25 | kale | nabblet: laptop? |
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| 00:02.56 | babilen | kale: Okay, let me be less British about it: Don't package it as it is unmaintained. I would not sponsor it and I would be surprised if you find another sponsor. |
| 00:03.02 | brokencycle | tremon: that i would expect, too, but there aren't any. there are only 120s timeout generated stacktraces for userland processes because they hang, trying to access the disks (ie, my trying to up the resync speed) |
| 00:03.06 | brokencycle | etc. |
| 00:03.24 | nabblet | kale: yes, lenovo ideapad s12, intedl atom (1.6 Ghz dualcore, 2GB RAM) |
| 00:03.29 | brokencycle | or setting the resync task to 'idle' |
| 00:03.36 | kale | babilen: ahh, i misread that last sentence |
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| 00:05.12 | tremon | brokencycle: is the first stacktrace different from the rest? I still think that one of the kernel's disk writer threads is hanging. Regardless of the cause, I think you'll never be able to cleanly shutdown your system |
| 00:05.43 | tremon | so better to kill the system sooner rather than later |
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| 00:06.42 | nabblet | Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders |
| 00:06.45 | nabblet | libavcodec version 53.35.0 (external) |
| 00:06.45 | nabblet | Mismatching header version 53.32.2 |
| 00:06.52 | nabblet | could this be the problem? |
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| 00:07.19 | brokencycle | tremon: no, the stack traces are all the same (except that i have two processes hanging, and their stack traces interleave). |
| 00:07.40 | brokencycle | YUCK. |
| 00:08.04 | nabblet | ok, i also have: |
| 00:08.18 | nabblet | AO: [pulse] Init failed: Connection refused |
| 00:08.18 | nabblet | Failed to initialize audio driver 'pulse' |
| 00:08.19 | nabblet | AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch floatle (4 bytes per sample) |
| 00:08.27 | babilen | dpkg: paste |
| 00:08.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 00:08.40 | Mongo44 | Anyone here with an Intel graphics chip gotten Lubuntu to work in high-res? |
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| 00:08.52 | babilen | Mongo44: Are you using Lubuntu? |
| 00:08.55 | tremon | brokencycle: ok. I'd restore default i/o priorities, bring down as much of the system manually as you can (and sync often -- if that doesn't hang the system) |
| 00:09.09 | mrdeb | hi, can someone help me fix gnome 3.4 search that doens twork |
| 00:09.20 | Mongo44 | Yes in a VM. |
| 00:09.32 | babilen | Mongo44: So, ask them. |
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| 00:09.56 | mrdeb | hi |
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| 00:10.44 | brokencycle | tremon: What do you mean with "default priorities"? So far, I was only trying to follow http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-raid-increase-resync-rebuild-speed.html to make the resync faster. |
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| 00:10.57 | brokencycle | but i haven't implemented all of the tips yet |
| 00:11.00 | kale | nabblet: does not look like this laptop is too fast... i remember there are some extra "stuff" to get vdpau working with intel, but i do not know if thats the case i debian |
| 00:11.09 | ted20 | Wow! Chromium is nice performance :D |
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| 00:11.25 | ted20 | *has got of course :D |
| 00:11.36 | brokencycle | OTOH, now I can't even cat /proc/mdstat - yikes! |
| 00:11.41 | tremon | brokencycle: ok, I thought you had been playing with ionice or the like |
| 00:11.56 | nabblet | kale: well, things worked with ubuntu. and i use debian and ubuntu with fluxbox... by cpu load is not even close to max |
| 00:12.32 | brokencycle | no, i have blockdev --setra bignumber device and dev.raid.speed_limit_max=400000 |
| 00:12.50 | brokencycle | the next thing i had in mind, was disabling ncq |
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| 00:14.30 | tremon | brokencycle: I wouldn't turn off ncq. Early sata disks (really, the pata disks with an internal sata bridge) were very bad at implementing ncq, but I would not think current drives are that bad |
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| 00:16.04 | tremon | brokencycle: the --bitmap=internal is very worthwhile, but it has no effect on normal performance. It only (significantly!) reduces the rebuild times on array rebuild by only rebuilding the changed parts |
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| 00:16.50 | tremon | but enabling the wi bitmap is considered a layout change so you can't do that while a rebuild is in progress anyway |
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| 00:19.17 | kale | nabblet: looks like the stuff you need is in sid, sorry |
| 00:19.22 | mrdeb | hi |
| 00:19.27 | mrdeb | gnome search doesnt work. how to fix it |
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| 00:19.49 | frostschutz | brokencycle, 3.13 had some raid bugs fixed in 3.13.1, not sure if it'd affect raid1 though. I had a panic with raid5... |
| 00:19.50 | tremon | mrdeb: try #gnome if no one here can help you |
| 00:19.58 | nabblet | kale: hm, so what do you suggest? wildly backport alsa and related stuff? or try the debina based mint? |
| 00:19.58 | mrdeb | ok |
| 00:19.58 | babilen | mrdeb: What have you tried to fix it so far? |
| 00:20.25 | mrdeb | babilen: yes i have tried many things. changing index to / , disabling tracker from startup |
| 00:20.31 | mrdeb | searching for hours |
| 00:22.06 | brokencycle | frostschutz: that sounds scary, but unfortunately, with lower kernels, i also have tons of problem (most notably, kernels 3.4 - 3.12 usually not booting at all, and then almost always forcing a raid resync, |
| 00:22.40 | brokencycle | despite my shutting the box down cleanly (this problem basically appeared with 3.2 and hasn't gone since). |
| 00:22.49 | brokencycle | afairct. |
| 00:23.09 | kale | nabblet: you should read about mesa, debian and vdpau. but it looks like vdpau is not quite there yet |
| 00:23.22 | viscera | So I need to backport cryptsetup so I can run "cryptsetup tcrypt" commands. I don't plan on replacing my current cryptsetup package, I just need to run a newer cryptsetup executable on the side. How feasible is this plan? |
| 00:23.26 | nabblet | kale: ok |
| 00:23.28 | babilen | mrdeb: So, the first step is asking better questions .. Insofar we don't even know which version of nautilus you are using and what you have been doing, if you tried it with different users, if it also happens for specific searchers, ... |
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| 00:23.50 | babilen | mrdeb: (just trying to point out why nobody answers your question, you effectively haven't asked one yet) |
| 00:24.17 | mrdeb | ok |
| 00:24.33 | mrdeb | so babilen i was told in gnome that 3.4 gnome doesnt ahve search implemented yet. |
| 00:24.45 | mrdeb | how can this be in a 'stable' debian release if searchd doesnt work |
| 00:25.37 | tremon | mrdeb: because upstream gnome wasn't supporting gnome2 anymore, so debian had to choose between half-baked and unmaintained |
| 00:25.59 | babilen | mrdeb: there you go then |
| 00:26.22 | Imbue | the gnome3 release was riddled with fun |
| 00:26.28 | babilen | mrdeb: "stable" in Debian simply means "not changing" and we *package* software. That is what a distribution does. |
| 00:26.38 | mrdeb | so search doesnt work in nautilus, is that it |
| 00:26.45 | mrdeb | that makes me very upset |
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| 00:26.57 | babilen | And can we please note repeat the whole gnome 3 discussion again please? |
| 00:27.17 | Imbue | please |
| 00:27.44 | centrx | I think I can end this discussion: Gnome sucks |
| 00:27.54 | mrdeb | what discussion |
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| 00:28.05 | mtn | mrdeb: of course search works in nautilus. |
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| 00:28.07 | mrdeb | if gnome sucks then why is the default iso using gnome |
| 00:28.12 | centrx | mrdeb, Never mind, sorry, carry on. |
| 00:28.15 | mrdeb | who makes that stupid decision |
| 00:28.40 | smyers | People who understand a lot more about the problem than you do, presumably. |
| 00:28.42 | mrdeb | mtn: it doesnt work for me. pls help |
| 00:28.50 | mrdeb | rly |
| 00:28.51 | smyers | And if you don't ahve that presumption, maybe don't install that distro. |
| 00:29.05 | mtn | mrdeb: I have no idea what your problem is, but search works for me and everyone else. |
| 00:29.09 | mrdeb | i presume that search should work if it comes with search |
| 00:29.11 | babilen | centrx: That doesn't help and is as far removed from technical support as it could be. |
| 00:29.17 | mrdeb | then pls tell me how to fix it |
| 00:29.22 | mrdeb | because i cant search at all in nautilus |
| 00:29.30 | mrdeb | clean install |
| 00:29.49 | babilen | mrdeb: So, start over and read the questions that I asked you at the beginning. |
| 00:30.11 | mtn | mrdeb: or go to the gnome channel |
| 00:31.07 | mrdeb | i am in gnome channel |
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| 00:36.52 | Mongo44 | What package do I need along with guest additions? |
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| 00:38.54 | nabblet | kale: thx |
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| 00:55.01 | mrdeb | hi, is iceweasel 24 much better than 17 or not, and why is 24 not in repo |
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| 00:55.39 | brokencycle | needs to shut this down |
| 00:55.59 | DanielRb | mrdeb: Ice weasel is just a rebranded version of Firefox |
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| 00:56.10 | mrdeb | i know that |
| 00:56.17 | mrdeb | i mean new ESR is 24 and not 17 |
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| 00:56.21 | Mongo44 | How do I install the guest additions. |
| 00:56.25 | Mongo44 | ? |
| 00:56.33 | dvs | mrdeb: and iceweasel 27 is on my machine. |
| 00:56.34 | petn-randall | mrdeb: There are no feature updates in stable. |
| 00:56.36 | DanielRb | Debian probably hasn't updated it in their repos yet |
| 00:56.56 | mrdeb | petn-randall: why not when 24 is ESR |
| 00:57.16 | mrdeb | do i have to do backports to add it |
| 00:57.20 | petn-randall | mrdeb: Because wheezy was released with 17, and there are no feature updates in stable. |
| 00:57.27 | petn-randall | ,v iceweasel |
| 00:57.28 | mrdeb | wheezy was release with 11 |
| 00:57.28 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 24.2.0esr-1; sid: 24.3.0esr-1; experimental: 27.0-1 |
| 00:57.32 | mrdeb | now they put in 17 |
| 00:57.38 | mrdeb | but they should put in 24 |
| 00:57.47 | petn-randall | mrdeb: Did you read what I said? |
| 00:57.48 | petn-randall | !sns |
| 00:57.48 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 00:57.53 | mrdeb | yes |
| 00:57.53 | dvs | mrdeb: won't happen in stable |
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| 00:58.02 | petn-randall | mrdeb: Did you understand it? |
| 00:58.12 | mrdeb | so i should do backports to have secure browser |
| 00:58.13 | mrdeb | ? |
| 00:58.18 | Mongo44 | I executed it in terminal and ran sudo apt-get install. That doesn't do anything. |
| 00:58.35 | petn-randall | mrdeb: How did 17 get less secure now that 24 is out!?! |
| 00:58.53 | mrdeb | bec its not updated anymore |
| 00:59.23 | petn-randall | mrdeb: Who said that? Every program in wheezy gets security updates until wheezy reaches its EOL. |
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| 01:00.49 | mrdeb | so i should stick to 17 and it will be ok and websites will work? |
| 01:01.01 | Imbue | websites will work? LOL |
| 01:01.16 | centrx | mrdeb, Yes, websites will work. |
| 01:01.17 | mrdeb | yes |
| 01:01.34 | mrdeb | sometimes websites dont work with old browser, like iceweasel 10 had that problem |
| 01:01.34 | centrx | mrdeb, You can also choose to use wheezy-backports, which has 24.2.0 |
| 01:01.47 | mrdeb | centrx: yes i almost did but not sure if it is safe |
| 01:01.58 | babilen | mrdeb: You are aware of http://mozilla.debian.net aren't you? |
| 01:02.04 | mrdeb | yes |
| 01:02.06 | mrdeb | i am |
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| 01:02.09 | centrx | Actually woops |
| 01:02.12 | mrdeb | but i am scared to di it |
| 01:02.13 | petn-randall | centrx: It doesn't. |
| 01:02.20 | babilen | mrdeb: "to di" ? |
| 01:02.29 | mrdeb | do it |
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| 01:02.56 | petn-randall | mrdeb: We can only give you advice on the technical parts, so ... |
| 01:02.57 | babilen | mrdeb: It is maintained by the Debian Mozilla team |
| 01:03.09 | dvs | which is part of Debian |
| 01:03.17 | dvs | you can't get much safer than that |
| 01:03.34 | babilen | Well, they are the same people that make the packages in the official repositories. |
| 01:03.47 | babilen | They are simply the same team ... |
| 01:03.49 | mrdeb | ok |
| 01:04.02 | mrdeb | and i dont need debin-archive-keyring to install it |
| 01:04.05 | mrdeb | ? |
| 01:04.15 | mrdeb | bec that is too big to dl |
| 01:04.21 | DanielRb | Hmm |
| 01:04.22 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:04.39 | mrdeb | after apt-get update it says unverified key when adding backports |
| 01:04.46 | DanielRb | Should I use cacert or self signed for my private site? |
| 01:04.49 | mrdeb | but it says i can install iceweasel 24 w/o verify |
| 01:05.14 | buu | DanielRb: Do you want people to get a warning when they visit your site? |
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| 01:05.50 | petn-randall | mrdeb: No, it doesn't. Read the instructions on the site. |
| 01:06.19 | DanielRb | It's private, so only me and friends will access it... And I'm aware they will get a warning unless they have the root ca installed but Im not sure whether to use cacert or my own root |
| 01:06.24 | mrdeb | what doesnt |
| 01:06.57 | DanielRb | Currently I'm using my own root ca |
| 01:07.09 | petn-randall | mrdeb: http://mozilla.debian.net/ doesn't tell you to install iceweasel 24 without verification. |
| 01:07.36 | mrdeb | i dont understand |
| 01:07.57 | mrdeb | ifi appt to sources, then update,then it says i am missing key, but i can still install iceweasel w/o veryfinig |
| 01:08.17 | petn-randall | mrdeb: READ the link I gave you, it has instructions. |
| 01:08.23 | mrdeb | ok |
| 01:08.30 | mrdeb | so install pkg-mozzilla |
| 01:08.32 | mrdeb | is that it |
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| 01:10.01 | mrdeb | but maybe i dont need iceweasel 14 |
| 01:10.03 | mrdeb | hmm |
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| 01:10.09 | mrdeb | not sure |
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| 01:10.53 | Azrael_- | is there a good way to install packages with a script and automatically supply the configuration-information for it (rather than the interactive questions)? |
| 01:11.01 | babilen | mrdeb: Let us know if you have specific questions and try to be concise. If you still want to make up your mind then please do so. |
| 01:11.23 | mrdeb | babilen: what do u recommend |
| 01:11.56 | centrx | Azrael_-, https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/apbs03.html.en |
| 01:12.39 | babilen | mrdeb: It is irrelevant, if you are happy with the version you are currently using then, by all means, use that. |
| 01:12.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell mrdeb -about u |
| 01:13.05 | mrdeb | it is ok, but scrolling is not as smoothe in 17 as in 24 |
| 01:13.07 | centrx | Azrael_-, debconf-set-selections is the core of it |
| 01:13.27 | babilen | mrdeb: Then install a newer version - You know how. Have fun! :) |
| 01:13.38 | Azrael_- | centrx: thanks |
| 01:13.44 | mrdeb | ok |
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| 01:37.55 | neo1691 | Hello everyone. I deleted my Windows boot partition of 100 mb and now my laptop is stuck on the splash screen. Can someone help me? |
| 01:39.29 | rgwu | neo1691:Probably only with laptop disposal, unfortunately. |
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| 01:40.24 | dvs | ???? |
| 01:40.45 | treehouse | I apt-get installed * .. now, it installed a lot of weird stuff. How can I see the latest installed packages? (so that I can remove them)? |
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| 01:44.03 | centrx | treehouse, You can see _all_ installed packages with: dpkg -l |
| 01:44.29 | centrx | treehouse, You can see which packages were installed in the last run by comparing status and status-old in /var/lib/dpkg |
| 01:44.44 | petn-randall | neo1691: How is this related to Debian stable? |
| 01:45.02 | treehouse | centrx: I apt-get purge a package... did that screw up anything? |
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| 01:45.09 | treehouse | the logs, I mean |
| 01:45.11 | dvs | petn-randall: Windows is based on Debian, of course! |
| 01:45.21 | petn-randall | neo1691: Do you have backups you can play back onto your laptop? |
| 01:45.25 | neo1691 | petn-randall: I was going to install debian by deleting all windows and previous debian partitions. |
| 01:45.42 | neo1691 | Thought you guys might have some pointers |
| 01:45.57 | petn-randall | neo1691: What splash screen is this? From the BIOS? |
| 01:46.13 | centrx | treehouse, Yes, the status-old only has the most recent set of changes to the package list |
| 01:46.44 | centrx | treehouse, There is information in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 01:46.46 | neo1691 | Yes. The new that comes when you start the laptop. In my case us asus petn-randall |
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| 01:46.54 | centrx | treehouse, That might be the place to look |
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| 01:47.01 | mns | anyone know how long it should take a 50 MB file to download over a broadband connection that is supposed to be 5 Mbps ? |
| 01:47.35 | centrx | neo1691, If you install an OS, the system should boot into |
| 01:47.42 | treehouse | ty centrx |
| 01:47.54 | f-a | mns: the ´supposed' might change the answer |
| 01:48.35 | neo1691 | centrx: the laptop stucks on that screen. I cannot go into bios settings nor boot menu |
| 01:48.37 | dvs | mns: 1.5 mins? |
| 01:48.46 | mns | f-a: lets say it is 5Mbps that comcast is giving me, as advertised. |
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| 01:49.15 | mns | dvs: how do you calculate that ? |
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| 01:49.39 | fcn | neo1691, I'm guessing you have one of those fancy new UEFI bios computers, right? Can you boot into your installation media? |
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| 01:50.10 | dvs | mns: 5 Mbps x 60s = 300 Mbps = 30 MB/s |
| 01:50.21 | petn-randall | neo1691: Try pressing escape or any other key to get to the actual error message. |
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| 01:50.50 | rgwu | dvs: no 5 Mbps X 60 s = 300 Mbit |
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| 01:50.55 | rgwu | not Mbit/sec |
| 01:50.59 | neo1691 | fcn: yes I have a latest laptop. But I cannot do anything on that screen. Only when I press tab I get to American megatrends screen |
| 01:51.19 | dvs | rgwu: ah, right |
| 01:51.25 | dvs | 300 Mbpm |
| 01:51.35 | rgwu | yes. True. |
| 01:51.38 | neo1691 | petn-randall: that's all. Pressing tab takes me to American Megatrends screen with no information of the error |
| 01:51.49 | dvs | rgwu: so 30MB/min |
| 01:52.33 | mns | dvs, rgwu: thanks ... can't seem to think straight for some reason. that was so simple. |
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| 01:53.37 | mns | I get speeds of 0.97 Mbps now I'll need to prepare .. to spend time on hold ... with comcast. |
| 01:53.54 | mns | and that's for a supposed bussiness connection |
| 01:54.12 | rgwu | 300 Mbit/min = 37.5 MByte / min |
| 01:55.05 | rgwu | So to catch up with the rest of you, :), dvs' original estimate is accurate. |
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| 01:57.21 | ctmjr | they will tell you that your broadband speed is based on off-peek hours |
| 01:58.10 | f-a | channel, I am puzzled. From a message on forums.debian.net "Having now studied the online repository search functions closer, I see it appears packages are automatically retrieved with all necessary dependencies. As such, it is not necessary to use apt and its various functions to do the job." |
| 01:58.16 | f-a | ( http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=56789 ) |
| 01:58.17 | fcn | neo1691, have you tried to boot with an installation media? like a usb stick or an installation dvd? |
| 01:58.19 | f-a | is that correct? |
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| 01:59.04 | neo1691 | fcn: yes. But after plugging in the installation media, I am not able to boot into that as the laptop gets stuck at v |
| 01:59.12 | neo1691 | At the splash screen |
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| 01:59.29 | dvs | f-a: Yeah, if you use apt-get or aptitude, you dont have to worry about dependencies for any package you want to install |
| 01:59.31 | mns | f-a: if you do aptitude install jwm ..... which needs a whole lot of X11 stuff, all those dependencies will get installed, if they're not on your system already. |
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| 02:00.13 | treehouse | made a mistake and apt-get install mk* .. do I need to fear that my security is compromised? I.e. that some "share my comp with the world"-daemon got installed? |
| 02:01.05 | f-a | dvs: mns , oh, I thought he meant "online repository" as packages.debian.net (and downloading manually there). Thanks. |
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| 02:01.29 | val_erie | I need to set up eclipse to learn some java code. I have oracle-j2sdk1.7 compiled and installed as deb package. Now I downloaded eclipse java IDE for java debvelopers from http://www.eclipse.org, and started the program. When try to make new project (following youtube tutorial), I get "No applicable item" The tutorial I am following mentioned only Java JDK as prerequisite. Am I missing something else? |
| 02:01.41 | fcn | neo1691, http://www.appassure.com/support/KB/4610043/ you may wanna check this |
| 02:02.24 | dvs | ,v eclipse |
| 02:02.25 | judd | Package: eclipse on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; jessie: 3.8.1-5.1; sid: 3.8.1-5.1 |
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| 02:04.54 | neo1691 | fcn: Will the laptop boot the recovery software from usb? It is not going ahead, stuck on the boot screen, I have tried attaching a windows bootable as well as debian bootable |
| 02:05.08 | fcn | neo1691, or this http://superuser.com/questions/460762/how-can-i-repair-the-windows-8-efi-bootloader the situation you're in seems like a complicated one |
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| 02:05.40 | fcn | neo1691, actually I have no idea if it will or not. |
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| 02:06.30 | treehouse | do you need to run something as root in order to use kvm? |
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| 02:07.40 | neo1691 | fcn: what I did is, I first booted my laptop using Windows 8 bootable. It showed all my partitions both Windows and Linux. So I first deleted the primary 100 mb boot partition and the installer stuck there. So I restarted and this happened |
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| 02:08.31 | ctmjr | tell treehouse about kvm |
| 02:08.51 | ctmjr | !tell treehouse about kvm |
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| 02:17.32 | treehouse | k, so KVM needs to die, since it prevents me to use vbox properly. How do I murder KVM? |
| 02:18.12 | f-a | kill? |
| 02:18.40 | treehouse | f-a: no :p |
| 02:18.49 | rgwu | actually, yes |
| 02:19.44 | rgwu | treehouse: kill $(pidof -s kvm) |
| 02:19.49 | rgwu | treehouse: or similar |
| 02:21.02 | treehouse | it's not a process, is it? |
| 02:21.10 | treehouse | i modprobe -r kvm_amd |
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| 02:21.28 | rgwu | oh. |
| 02:21.34 | rgwu | in that case rmmod |
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| 02:35.22 | V10energy | please help. I am trying to install asus n10 wireless usb dongle. first I installed build essetnial and then sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r). Then I ran the install.sh that came with the driver and I am getting an error: http://pastebin.com/xFxpPdwU |
| 02:35.28 | alusion | I wanna restore my backup .img to a fresh encrypted install |
| 02:35.35 | alusion | will the partition still be encrypted? |
| 02:35.40 | alusion | if I dd restore it |
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| 02:37.45 | dvs | V10energy: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
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| 02:40.56 | TheWarden | Hello |
| 02:41.37 | anonnumberanon | hey guise can you tell me how safe/unsafe this is? the router ports http://pastebin.com/NGtV1Zvw |
| 02:41.43 | TheWarden | I'm setting up a Debian Wheezy system for desktop use. I want to use minimal install setup so I can control what I have and don't. |
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| 02:42.18 | anonnumberanon | TheWarden, excellent choice. |
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| 02:42.41 | TheWarden | For now I figured I would use Gnome. So I installed xorg gnome-core gdm3 gedit update-manager-core update-manager-gnome software-center gnome-session and gnome-alsamixer is there anything else I would need? |
| 02:42.43 | alusion | wait a sec... anonnumberanon |
| 02:42.47 | alusion | do you like sicp? |
| 02:42.55 | TheWarden | or have I taken the wrong route. |
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| 02:43.21 | anonnumberanon | alusion , no idea what that is |
| 02:43.26 | alusion | anonnumberanon telnet is open |
| 02:43.30 | alusion | why |
| 02:43.35 | V10energy | dvs: the network m anager didn't show up in the tray |
| 02:44.10 | vimel | TheWarden: if you are going to use Debian on a desktop just use CD1 install. it comes with gnome 3 as default desktop. |
| 02:44.14 | anonnumberanon | ok how bad is it alusion, it's my mom's router, she got all her addons removed from her firefox last week I believe it might have been an attack |
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| 02:44.28 | dvs | V10energy: Oh, I dont use network manager. |
| 02:44.33 | anonnumberanon | by the way alusion, RMS forever :) |
| 02:44.46 | alusion | anonnumberanon it's bad |
| 02:44.47 | V10energy | dvs how do i check whether my dongle is visible in command line? |
| 02:44.58 | alusion | it has a backdoor |
| 02:44.59 | TheWarden | vimel: no thanks, if I install it that way I can't control what is installed and not. I've done that in the past and I didn't like not being able to uninstall things I have no use or want, |
| 02:45.03 | anonnumberanon | alusion I'm about to pull out the logs from the router. |
| 02:45.06 | alusion | ur gunna have to call the internet police |
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| 02:45.14 | dvs | V10energy: ip link |
| 02:45.20 | TheWarden | I want to build it myself to have control and to learn. |
| 02:45.30 | V10energy | dvs i think it shows up |
| 02:45.37 | V10energy | dvs.. how do i connect? :D |
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| 02:46.31 | dvs | V10energy: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 02:47.38 | anonnumberanon | alusion but what the heck are all these other ports this is bull, I only recognize http |
| 02:48.18 | alusion | run nessus |
| 02:48.59 | mordy_ | hi folks; i was told that "a dash is not allowed" in the package (1.2.3-foo) unstable; urgency=low in debian/changelog. but a tilde is allowed? e.g. 2.3.0~foo? |
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| 02:56.11 | treehouse | can one restart the whole desktop thingie? (since I lack a logut button) |
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| 02:58.36 | jordanm | treehouse: are you using a display manager? |
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| 02:59.58 | treehouse | no idea, I think so |
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| 03:05.55 | jordanm | treehouse: restarting the display manager will restart the X server |
| 03:06.07 | jordanm | treehouse: eg /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart |
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| 03:12.15 | n-st | hi, hostname -f prints "localhost" - what have i done wrong this time? |
| 03:12.54 | n-st | /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts both contain the unqualified name (phi) of the system, just like on another system (gamma). |
| 03:13.23 | n-st | yet phi reports its fqdn as localhost, while gamma reports it as gamma (as i would expect) |
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| 03:15.45 | n-st | ah, fixed it. i had to add an entry for 127.0.1.1 (not just 127.0.0.1) to /etc/hosts |
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| 03:29.31 | gadolgrandgadolm | secrets d'état & co ( révélations, etc ), faites tourner .. http://morganroulleau.wordpress.com ( on s'en branle que vous compreniez pas, au pire ça viendra plus tard ( .. )) ( La NSA approuve ce message. ) ( méway, sans doute, ils m'aiment. ) |
| 03:29.32 | gadolgrandgadolm | HF |
| 03:29.53 | centrx | Well that's a new one |
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| 03:46.02 | treehouse | so, xterm seems obsolete. What do you use nowadays in a graphics environment when you want a terminal? |
| 03:47.29 | nullfaith | treehouse: That is really up the user. Dependent on ram and such I would say, as well as hatred for/acceptance of bloat. |
| 03:48.23 | pero | terminator |
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| 04:00.29 | WubTheCaptain | ALSA and PulseAudio aren't playing well again. OSS4 doesn't work so I have to prefer ALSA. Regardless, ALSA keeps resetting some settings in cards (but keeps the preferred order of cards in alsamixer), yet it seems PulseAudio keeps choosing the wrong card. |
| 04:00.48 | WubTheCaptain | And some apps are starting to PulseAudio instead of ALSA |
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| 04:03.49 | WubTheCaptain | I can fix the issue temporarily by adjusting fallbacks in pavucontrol |
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| 04:10.32 | jordanm | some apps will use card0 regardless of what your settings are (eg flash) |
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| 04:17.04 | Cyis | evening jordanm |
| 04:17.32 | jordanm | Cyis: hey |
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| 04:22.03 | ModernMosis | HEy how do i get bigmem kernel to boot? |
| 04:22.57 | jordanm | ModernMosis: are you running squeeze? |
| 04:23.41 | jordanm | ModernMosis: there shouldn't be any tricks, as long as PAE is supported and enabled in your BIOS |
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| 04:25.38 | ModernMosis | i believe i am |
| 04:25.45 | ModernMosis | i have run apt-get |
| 04:25.51 | ModernMosis | seems to still boot normal kernel |
| 04:26.26 | jordanm | ModernMosis: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 04:26.45 | ModernMosis | 6.0.4 |
| 04:27.12 | jordanm | ModernMosis: pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 04:27.41 | ModernMosis | grub hidden, is it because its a live usb? |
| 04:28.16 | jordanm | ModernMosis: are you trying to install the bigmem kernel on the live usb? |
| 04:28.29 | ModernMosis | yes |
| 04:28.34 | treehouse | any reason to not let the taskbar and the shortcuts to programs be the same thing? |
| 04:28.41 | jordanm | well, that changes everything |
| 04:28.45 | ModernMosis | :P |
| 04:28.49 | ModernMosis | figured it did |
| 04:29.01 | jordanm | I have no idea, it will use syslinux instead of grub |
| 04:30.33 | jordanm | even with a persistent usb, I am not sure if that's something that can be changed, atleast not easily |
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| 04:30.54 | treehouse | how can you possibly be a linux professional and sane at the same time? When you've learned the huge amount of stuff there is to know to be able to install archlinux, everything has changed. Now there's some syslinux thingie. |
| 04:30.57 | jordanm | since they are easy to make, I would just install amd64 on it |
| 04:31.28 | ModernMosis | Is there another way |
| 04:31.34 | ModernMosis | to get it to use more than 2gb of ram |
| 04:31.42 | jordanm | treehouse: syslinux has been around for a long time. the constant changing and constant learning is not specific to linux professionals, but IT professionals in general |
| 04:32.03 | jordanm | ModernMosis: yeah, install a 64bit OS on your usb |
| 04:32.17 | ModernMosis | Ok thanks |
| 04:32.25 | jordanm | bigmem would still limit your to 3G per process |
| 04:32.55 | jordanm | treehouse: atleast fundamentals stay the same |
| 04:34.53 | Okee | Something really strange is going on. When I attempt to upgrade keepassx, I get an error message indicating that the following packages have been kept back: iceweasel. It feedback then goes on to state one not upgraded. I never attempted to upgrade iceweasel, and only wish to upgrade KeePassX. Why am I getting a mismatch? I am running Debian Stable. |
| 04:35.00 | roscareyes | hey there just a good question and an urgent request |
| 04:35.03 | roscareyes | need help here... note to all programming teen boys between the ages of 14 and 16.... i am looking for a young geeky looking teen boy interested in letting a fun-loving 40 y/o guy suck him off and going surfing |
| 04:35.11 | jordanm | !tell Okee about bat |
| 04:35.16 | roscareyes | anybody here fit the bill.. let me know what you are down for |
| 04:35.23 | jordanm | Okee: see the msg from dpkg to provide more info |
| 04:35.27 | roscareyes | i also like rimming, felching, and nipple play |
| 04:35.35 | roscareyes | he can give me a cum facial too if he wants |
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| 04:36.26 | jordanm | !ops roscareyes spam/trolling |
| 04:36.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jordanm complains about: roscareyes spam/trolling |
| 04:36.27 | centrx | !ops troll |
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| 04:37.09 | roscareyes | troll? |
| 04:37.14 | jordanm | themill was supossed to op himself, not leave :/ |
| 04:37.14 | roscareyes | why is it when gay guys pass 40 |
| 04:37.19 | roscareyes | they are called trolls? |
| 04:37.26 | roscareyes | you guys are offensive |
| 04:37.30 | roscareyes | agists and homophobes |
| 04:37.37 | roscareyes | age discrimination is not cool.... i am not a troll |
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| 04:39.56 | ctmjr | no this is a debian support channel and it is family friendly so please stop[23:37:37] < roscareyes> age discrimination is not cool.... i am not a troll |
| 04:40.13 | jordanm | responding to him doesn't help anything |
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| 04:40.54 | roscareyes | what does the comment you posted have to do with family friendly |
| 04:41.02 | roscareyes | you all engaged in age discrimination |
| 04:41.06 | roscareyes | THAT is not family friendly |
| 04:41.08 | roscareyes | I am not a troll |
| 04:41.50 | mdim | I seem to be missing the /etc/init.d/iptables file. How can I obtain it? |
| 04:42.02 | jordanm | mdim: debian doesn't have one |
| 04:42.18 | mdim | jordanm: oh... so, how do I start or stop iptables? |
| 04:42.24 | roscareyes | is stroking his cock waiting for a taker |
| 04:42.28 | LtL | !ops roscareyes soliciting sex. roscareyes @ uid25044@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gntqsyveocjescej |
| 04:42.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ltl complains about: roscareyes soliciting sex. roscareyes @ uid25044@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gntqsyveocjescej |
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| 04:42.39 | jordanm | mdim: pre-up/post-down rules in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:42.47 | jordanm | !tell mdim about iptables |
| 04:42.52 | Devastator | mdim create a shell script, chmod +x it and put into /etc/if-pre-up.d/ |
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| 04:42.59 | jordanm | LtL: already tried |
| 04:43.08 | LtL | jordanm: nod |
| 04:43.20 | jordanm | Devastator: it's much better to use iptables-restore than a script of iptables commands |
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| 04:43.29 | roscareyes | are there people under 18 allowed in this channel? |
| 04:43.40 | roscareyes | aarcane told me there was |
| 04:43.44 | roscareyes | i hope he wasn't lying |
| 04:43.53 | roscareyes | anyhow... also a plus will be if he has emo hair |
| 04:43.54 | Devastator | jordanm sorry, I should have meant "a iptables-restore style script" |
| 04:43.56 | roscareyes | and maybe a few pimples |
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| 04:44.01 | roscareyes | that gets me hard and horny |
| 04:44.10 | jordanm | Devastator: ah, yeah, that would work |
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| 04:44.42 | roscareyes | jordanm have you ever sucked a guy's dick before? |
| 04:44.44 | roscareyes | if yes |
| 04:44.47 | roscareyes | was he cut or uncut? |
| 04:44.54 | roscareyes | did you let him jizz down your throat |
| 04:45.04 | roscareyes | or did you spit it out or let him spray his cum all over your face? |
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| 04:45.57 | centrx | !ops troll |
| 04:45.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: centrx complains about: troll |
| 04:46.34 | roscareyes | god damn it centrx |
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| 04:46.46 | roscareyes | just because ia m over 40 doesn't make me a fucking troll |
| 04:46.58 | roscareyes | i am a decent gay man |
| 04:47.10 | roscareyes | looking to find a hot young geek-looking programmer boy |
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| 04:47.20 | roscareyes | weeabos with an emo look and pimples are a plus |
| 04:47.31 | thims | roscareyes: In Christ Jesus' name I demand you to be gone. |
| 04:47.48 | djancak | the power of Christ compels him ¦) |
| 04:47.55 | roscareyes | i don't want to molest them |
| 04:47.58 | roscareyes | i just want to suck them off |
| 04:48.07 | roscareyes | feel their throbbing cocks down my throat |
| 04:48.11 | roscareyes | hear them moaning with pleasure |
| 04:48.18 | roscareyes | shoving my head down on their shaft |
| 04:48.23 | roscareyes | shoving it in fast and hard |
| 04:48.31 | roscareyes | before spraying their salty cum |
| 04:48.33 | f-a | problem: I am now using a machine running debian/armhf. Soon I will get my paws on a machine running debian/i386. Since the i386 machine has a very sloooow connection, I wanted to download packages beforehand and then transfer them via usb on i386. |
| 04:48.37 | roscareyes | on my face and into my mouth |
| 04:48.50 | roscareyes | that is not abuse at all |
| 04:48.54 | roscareyes | we are all human beings |
| 04:48.56 | roscareyes | it is all natural |
| 04:49.00 | f-a | apt-zip and similar seems of no use to me, since I don't have access to the machine right now |
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| 04:49.39 | f-a | is there a way to list recursive dependencies (w/ download links, possibly) for another arch? |
| 04:49.43 | JaneSmith | do you have systemd? |
| 04:50.10 | f-a | JaneSmith: was the question to me? |
| 04:50.24 | jordanm | f-a: you might be able to add it to your multiarch and use apt-get --download-only install foo:armhf |
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| 04:50.52 | f-a | jordanm: target machine is i386 , so I guess foo:i386, right? |
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| 04:51.43 | jordanm | f-a: yes |
| 04:51.56 | f-a | thanks, I will look into that |
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| 04:53.06 | roscareyes | who has a hot blowjob story to tell? |
| 04:53.28 | roscareyes | anything that can top the brazilian ddos kiddie i met with with |
| 04:53.30 | roscareyes | from efnet |
| 04:53.32 | roscareyes | ? |
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| 04:55.20 | jordanm | ldunn: thanks |
| 04:55.35 | ldunn | np |
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| 05:01.19 | thims | roscareyes: You have been warned. |
| 05:02.34 | jordanm | thims: he was muted, that's beyond a warning |
| 05:02.48 | thims | jordanm: Thank you |
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| 05:12.07 | rojem | is there a curses based netconfig utility, or am i stuck hand editing the interfaces file |
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| 05:12.42 | jordanm | rojem: hand editing |
| 05:13.09 | rojem | jordanm ok, that I can do |
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| 05:30.56 | supersonic | rojem: i use wicd-cursesw |
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| 05:31.07 | new2it | how to remove lxde completely ? |
| 05:31.18 | supersonic | -R |
| 05:31.52 | new2it | aptitude remove ? |
| 05:31.55 | centrx | new2it, dpkg --purge |
| 05:32.09 | new2it | heck |
| 05:32.12 | new2it | I don't know |
| 05:32.14 | new2it | how to use |
| 05:32.23 | centrx | Okay, calm down :) |
| 05:32.37 | new2it | i did install lxde with task-lxde-desktop |
| 05:33.06 | new2it | when I remove it .. it is still there |
| 05:33.17 | centrx | Okay, that is just a metapackage |
| 05:33.29 | centrx | You can list all the lxde packages with: dpkg -l |grep ^lx |
| 05:33.36 | centrx | That /might/ show non-LXDE packages too... |
| 05:34.04 | new2it | So what 2 do ? |
| 05:34.08 | new2it | how to remove lxde then ? |
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| 05:34.27 | centrx | Paste the list that comes up when you do dpkg -l |grep ^lx |
| 05:34.30 | centrx | !paste |
| 05:34.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 05:34.47 | squisher | new2it: did you apt-get autoremove ? |
| 05:34.57 | new2it | aptitude remove lxde_ |
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| 05:35.02 | new2it | aptitude remove lxde-core_ |
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| 05:35.15 | new2it | aptitude remove task-lxde-desktop_ |
| 05:35.20 | new2it | these three command |
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| 05:35.45 | squisher | new2it: try it, it may help |
| 05:35.47 | centrx | That will get rid of most of it |
| 05:36.04 | supersonic | use this to get rid of everything: apt-get remove --auto-remove |
| 05:36.08 | new2it | squisher, what ? I already did it |
| 05:36.25 | squisher | new2it: try running: apt-get autoremove |
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| 05:39.14 | new2it | squisher, guys I think openbox and music player won't go |
| 05:39.48 | new2it | i did apt-get autoremove lxde lxde-core task-lxde-desktop |
| 05:40.06 | new2it | but still openbox and music player and other settings from lxde are there |
| 05:40.25 | squisher | 'apt-get autoremove' doesn't take any arguments |
| 05:40.42 | squisher | it'll just clean up packages that were installed as dependencies, such as when you install a meta package |
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| 05:41.06 | mns | don't you need to do a purge to get rid of the settings ? |
| 05:41.12 | squisher | and I don't think openbox is related to lxde anyway |
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| 05:41.27 | mns | squisher: lxde uses openbox as its wm. |
| 05:42.30 | squisher | hm, I thought they had their own wm, but I may be mistaken. My bad! |
| 05:43.41 | mns | no probs. |
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| 05:47.26 | new2it | oomg I had to remove |
| 05:47.42 | new2it | apt-get remove lxde gpicview leafpad lxappearance lxde-core lxde-common lxinput lxmusic lxpanel lxsession lxsession-edit lxshortcut lxterminal openbox-themes openbox pcmanfm xarchiver xscreensave |
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| 05:49.47 | centrx | use purge :) |
| 05:50.39 | new2it | centrx how ? |
| 05:51.22 | cast | oh...i had a question...but i just realised my PATA drive came up as sda instead of hda...how long has linux been doing that? have only used sata for many years now |
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| 05:52.00 | supersonic | very long time if you're on debian sid |
| 05:52.23 | f-a | trying to download packets for a different arch: apt-get --download-only install haskell-platform:i386 (after having done an apt-get update, of course). result: E: Unable to locate package haskell-platform <-- what am I doing wrong |
| 05:52.29 | f-a | is this because hp is a metapackage? |
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| 05:53.37 | centrx | new2it, Too late now :) |
| 05:54.19 | centrx | f-a, It should be installable... |
| 05:54.23 | centrx | f-a, Try without the i386? |
| 05:54.35 | supersonic | f-a: haskell-platform isn't platform dependent |
| 05:55.12 | new2it | centrx, yep I did it all :] but my media player don't work well on debian .. why so ? Is some codes missing / |
| 05:55.23 | f-a | centrx: supersonic I am on armhf, and have installed it. I was invoking that command to download .debs for another machine, so without i386 it correctly stated that the package is installed |
| 05:56.22 | centrx | new2it, What media player? |
| 05:56.31 | squisher | hm, so I am using debian live, is there a somewhat convenient way to configure wireless networking? |
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| 05:56.50 | centrx | f-a, haskell-platform is a multi-arch "all" package |
| 05:57.08 | new2it | centrx, vlc |
| 05:57.08 | f-a | oh, I see |
| 05:57.16 | centrx | f-a, Which is because it is a metapackage |
| 05:57.24 | centrx | f-a, Not sure how you would get its i386 dependencies |
| 05:57.26 | new2it | Maybe it is not using graphcis to play videos |
| 05:57.34 | f-a | I see I see the ho- oh |
| 05:57.35 | centrx | new2it, Also try mplayer |
| 05:57.52 | centrx | new2it, If it truly does not recognize the formats/have the codecs |
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| 05:59.03 | supersonic | f-a: i think you should use apt-offline |
| 05:59.21 | f-a | supersonic: sad fact is I don't have access to the i386 machine as now |
| 05:59.46 | new2it | centrx, I tried everything like smplayer vlc parole etc |
| 05:59.50 | new2it | but it still don't work |
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| 06:00.50 | f-a | but ehy, I will wait |
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| 06:01.49 | jordanm | f-a: did you add i386 to dpkg multiarch and in your sources.list? |
| 06:03.19 | f-a | jordanm: I did dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 06:03.50 | jordanm | f-a: you also need to add it to sources.list |
| 06:03.55 | f-a | oh |
| 06:04.17 | jordanm | f-a: eg: deb [arch=armfh,i386] http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
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| 06:04.47 | f-a | -contrib and non-free, of course :P |
| 06:04.54 | f-a | (thanks for helping!) |
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| 06:07.55 | new2it | how can I use graphics accelerated video ? |
| 06:08.39 | jordanm | new2it: with what graphics card? |
| 06:08.55 | new2it | Radeon HD 6290 |
| 06:09.09 | new2it | I installed the prop. driver but still no improvement in performance |
| 06:09.10 | jordanm | !tell new2it about ati |
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| 06:09.36 | jordanm | new2it: the open source ones should have been suitable for video |
| 06:09.50 | everjeje | !tell everjeje about nvidia |
| 06:10.00 | jordanm | unless it's flash, then it's probably software rendered either way |
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| 06:11.26 | new2it | jordanm, should I uninstall and try opensource driver ? |
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| 06:25.44 | new2it | how can I use graphics accelerated video ? |
| 06:25.44 | new2it | Radeon HD 6290 |
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| 06:27.32 | centrx | new2it, Didn't the bot say? |
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| 06:27.43 | centrx | new2it, There are two possible drivers, radeon and fglrx |
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| 06:28.35 | new2it | centrx, I tried both bt they do not work :[ |
| 06:28.38 | new2it | Sadly |
| 06:28.42 | centrx | Seems unlikely |
| 06:28.53 | new2it | but on arch it just worked well |
| 06:28.53 | new2it | i mean not well but fine |
| 06:28.56 | new2it | over here it don't work at all |
| 06:29.05 | new2it | 720p hangs |
| 06:29.14 | new2it | 1080 don't even render |
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| 06:31.16 | f-a | which driver did you use in arch, new2it |
| 06:31.29 | new2it | prop. f-a |
| 06:31.34 | new2it | fglrx |
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| 06:34.19 | new2it | centrx, f-a is something special required to play mp4 hd videos on linux ? |
| 06:34.29 | new2it | all are downloaded from youtube |
| 06:34.53 | f-a | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/fglrx-driver you have non-free on new2it , do you? |
| 06:35.15 | new2it | yep have non-free on |
| 06:35.15 | f-a | I can't help much because I stay on free repo, but the driver seems to be there |
| 06:35.25 | new2it | I install prop driver |
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| 06:36.24 | new2it | f-a, driver is there but it don't work |
| 06:37.30 | f-a | from the description |
| 06:37.32 | f-a | For 3D acceleration to work, you will need to compile the fglrx kernel module for your kernel: see the fglrx-source package. Note that the driver will work without the kernel module, but 3D acceleration will be disabled. |
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| 06:37.54 | f-a | as I said I am not versed in the matter, maybe someone more learned can help you better |
| 06:38.11 | new2it | f-a, I did that compile :] it is working but videos won't play |
| 06:39.03 | f-a | eh, then I am clueless. Maybe posting to debian-user could help. new2it |
| 06:39.39 | new2it | I think kernel in debian stable is too old to play stuff anymore |
| 06:39.48 | new2it | 3.2 don't work well with amd anyways |
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| 06:40.51 | jordanm | new2it: the kernel age isn't an issue |
| 06:41.08 | jordanm | I am running the usual 3.2 on nvidia, and I have no problem with video or steam games |
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| 06:41.40 | new2it | jordanm, ok what is vdpau ? |
| 06:41.44 | new2it | I installed it once |
| 06:42.23 | jordanm | new2it: I have it installed, not sure if I have used it |
| 06:42.53 | jordanm | yeah, I probably have if it's for h.264 |
| 06:43.03 | jordanm | nvidia-vdpau-driver |
| 06:43.11 | new2it | its vdpau < -- video acceleration |
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| 07:20.36 | new2it | guys do we have pot player for linux by daum ? |
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| 07:22.59 | Yukikaze | no |
| 07:24.13 | Yukikaze | mpv with it's opengl-hq output is the highest quality video output you can get on *nix new2it |
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| 07:27.39 | new2it | Yukikaze, mpv ?? opengl-hg ?? where can i download it Sir ? |
| 07:28.46 | jimini | good morning. how can I check, which process creates / created a file? for some reason, an empty file named "syslog" appears in / and another folder and I would like to know, where these files come from |
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| 07:30.59 | Yukikaze | new2it: http://mpv.io/ |
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| 07:35.21 | jimini | (just fyi - lsof did a fine job) |
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| 08:08.29 | thingamabob | hi, my /var is full, can i delete /var/cache/apt/archives/* ? |
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| 08:11.45 | thingamabob | found it thanks |
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| 08:14.21 | xar- | what package is pfHandle located in? |
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| 08:16.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell xar- -about apt-file |
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| 08:17.31 | xar- | dpkg: tell xar- -about pfHandle |
| 08:17.40 | xar- | dpkg: tell xar- -about pfhandle |
| 08:17.42 | tuv | how do i add a dns server if i'm using dhcp? i want to add a dns server to be used in addition to the servers provided by dhcp. i can't change dhcp conf |
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| 08:18.14 | xar- | Hmm, let me rephrase this question, what's a good way to view the status of the mail queue for the postfix MTA, in Debian? |
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| 08:19.38 | babilen | xar-: You can, and should, just /msg the bot in private with "/msg dpkg FOO" -- If you were to ask a more elaborate question in which you actually tell us what pfhandle is or what you plan to use it for we might even be able to help directly. |
| 08:20.21 | xar- | linux.die.net/man/5/pfhandle |
| 08:20.49 | xar- | basically a mail queue viewer, used to using it in redhat land, not sure where it resides in debian land unfortunately |
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| 08:21.17 | babilen | xar-: postqueue -p |
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| 08:21.34 | babilen | xar-: Doesn't appear to be packaged |
| 08:21.54 | xar- | well that's... saddening. |
| 08:21.56 | xar- | lol |
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| 08:22.26 | xar- | i'll try postqueue thx |
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| 08:29.54 | babilen | xar-: You can file a <RFP> bug (request for packaging) and it should also be possible to install it locally. I'd do the latter with <stow> and the general procedure is detailed in <stow usage> -- Ask our bot about all the factoids in <..> |
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| 08:30.42 | MMavipc | Hello, can someone provide me/tell me how to make a netinstall cd that works with intel I217V ethernet? |
| 08:30.52 | babilen | xar-: Oh, doesn't look too well maintained unfortunately so you might just want to install it locally, not sure if it should get packaged. |
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| 08:33.17 | aarcane | abrotman, actually, yes. It's a discussion on getting what to do about partman-zfs, and I believe it's essential to get partman-zfs into the linux debian builds for zfsonlinux, but it has to be handled upstream for it to function effectively. The discussion, which insofar as I could tell, involved none of the people from the zfsonlinux project, was tending toward removing it as a "kfreebsd only" featur |
| 08:33.19 | aarcane | e. |
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| 08:34.57 | aarcane | Speaking of debian-installer, does anyone happen to have a ready built partman-null udeb, or partman-noop, or similar? I'm looking for something that'll let me prepare my fstab and mount /target manually, then let d-i do it's thing afterward. |
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| 08:43.50 | hejux | hello |
| 08:45.11 | hejux | how to input nd? |
| 08:45.21 | hejux | exit |
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| 08:58.20 | Yoshi1 | ok this is odd testing hasnt had any updated in about a week |
| 08:58.36 | freq | oh god NO |
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| 08:59.57 | Yoshi1 | where do i find the sources file to make sure it's fine? |
| 09:00.09 | freq | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:00.13 | babinlonston | squid blocking websites after 1GB Download in eth1, any one help me pls |
| 09:00.50 | Yoshi1 | freq thanks |
| 09:00.54 | freq | ;) |
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| 09:03.48 | Yoshi1 | heh a stable got in there some how. thats more like it 169 updates |
| 09:04.00 | freq | hehe |
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| 09:07.00 | Yoshi1 | i added something to enable me to run the new beta of lincity-ng figured it may have done something |
| 09:07.12 | freq | what's lincity |
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| 09:07.25 | Yoshi1 | open source simcity clone |
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| 09:07.34 | freq | oh cool |
| 09:07.39 | Yoshi1 | lincity-ng is the latest vesion |
| 09:07.42 | freq | thanks. i always wanted to play sims |
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| 09:09.00 | Yoshi1 | not sims |
| 09:10.05 | freq | Yoshi1: what is it |
| 09:10.59 | Yoshi1 | oh you meant simulation. i thought you meant like the sims |
| 09:11.26 | freq | i did actually |
| 09:11.38 | freq | is it better than micropolis anyway |
| 09:12.17 | Yoshi1 | yes |
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| 09:12.31 | freq | Well I'm game |
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| 09:22.41 | gEttyihh | Hey #Debian, is unsquashfs available on debian or just ubuntu? is there an alternative ?thanks |
| 09:23.48 | gEttyihh | nevermind found it ll |
| 09:23.49 | gEttyihh | thanks |
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| 09:25.53 | itz | any tips for fixing my broken xorg in sid? |
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| 09:26.04 | itz | other than wait :) |
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| 09:37.28 | Nik05 | itz if you are on sid maybe you should go to oftc's #debian-next |
| 09:38.32 | itz | ok I'll try that thanks |
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| 09:45.56 | supersonic | Why does debian-next require an invite? |
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| 09:49.23 | peterrooney | supersonic: my guess is, to avoid questions like that one. |
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| 10:11.46 | babilen | supersonic: The channel is, as noted in /topic, like most official Debian channels on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 10:31.09 | nabblet | hi, was already here several times because media playback seems to loop from time to time (every now an then it just repeats a short moment of the movie/music for ~ second) |
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| 10:31.38 | nabblet | now i found out that i will not happen when i constantly move my mouse Oo |
| 10:31.39 | nabblet | any ideas? |
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| 10:34.19 | babilen | .oO( Keep on moving your mouse ) |
| 10:35.18 | nabblet | keeps on moving :( |
| 10:35.28 | nabblet | i wonder what's the cause? |
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| 10:35.58 | osfd_ | would that be beneficial to move from xorg to wayland ? |
| 10:35.59 | nabblet | it's very annoying... and interestingly the effect does not set in when typing |
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| 10:36.18 | nabblet | osfd: sooner or later it will be compulsory i think :) |
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| 10:37.07 | nabblet | so, activity on the touchpad keeps my media replay from messing up |
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| 10:37.27 | babilen | nabblet: Sounds as if it is related to some energy saving functionality that is not kicking in when there is activity - I'd investigate along the lines of acpi and dpms |
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| 10:38.05 | babilen | nabblet: All the best, /me is heading off (sunshine!) |
| 10:38.08 | nabblet | babilen: hm, but in that case keyboard input should have the same effect activity on the touchpad, no? |
| 10:38.21 | nabblet | babilen: thank you |
| 10:38.24 | nabblet | have fun |
| 10:39.16 | osfd_ | nabblet: you mean it'll happen, no matter what, in some near future ? |
| 10:39.26 | osfd_ | say, next stable ? |
| 10:40.02 | nabblet | osfd: don't know. but i think it's best to move with debians defaults |
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| 10:40.31 | nabblet | best = easiest |
| 10:40.47 | osfd_ | nabblet: sure... especially complicated things like taht |
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| 10:42.23 | nabblet | osfd: if you want to toy with wayland you should probably go with a bleeding edge distro |
| 10:44.13 | babilen | nabblet: I agree, it should .... |
| 10:44.37 | babilen | osfd_: Consider tracking testing, unstable or both (testing by default, unstable when appropriate) |
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| 10:44.59 | nabblet | babilen: dmesg shows nothing of interest |
| 10:46.27 | nabblet | !wayland |
| 10:46.27 | dpkg | Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ #wayland on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:46.53 | nabblet | !weston |
| 10:46.54 | dpkg | Weston is the reference implementation of a <wayland> compositor (display server), developed by the Wayland project. Packaged in Debian <testing>. http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ #wayland on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:47.10 | nabblet | osfd: its in testing :) ^ |
| 10:47.51 | nabblet | is NeilHanlon a bot that's welcome? |
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| 10:50.28 | nabblet | !dpms |
| 10:50.28 | dpkg | VESA Display Power Management Signaling (DPMS) is a graphics card power management standard. The DPMS <xorg> extension is enabled by default. It can be adjusted via «xset dpms $standby-sec $suspend-sec $off-sec» or within <xorg.conf>. |
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| 10:53.29 | onur | Hi guys. I have only debian sid on my hdd. I will buy a new pc in few weeks. I will use my current hdd. New PC comes with uefi bios. Can I just put my current hdd to new pc and use it? |
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| 10:57.12 | Already | Hi mates. I have a problem extracting .rars. http://gyazo.com/07a6ad63700f3f0bac2e68d38801460d |
| 10:57.47 | frostschutz | Already, try the unfree unrar |
| 10:58.02 | Already | like apt-get install rar ? |
| 10:58.11 | Already | same commands? |
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| 11:00.08 | nkuttler | Already: unrar |
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| 11:06.18 | Already | installed the build from unrar webpage |
| 11:06.28 | Already | etc. But stil getting failed |
| 11:07.30 | Already | Pjoff:~# dpkg -l | grep unrar |
| 11:07.31 | Already | ii unrar-free 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 Unarchiver for . |
| 11:07.46 | trewas | Already: there is rar and unrar in debian which both will work with any valid .rar, the unrar-free is the only one which will fail with every .rar |
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| 11:08.18 | Already | ok so rar is free and unrar is non-free? |
| 11:09.00 | trewas | both rar and unrar are non-free, but the unrar-free package is free and completely useless |
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| 11:09.37 | Already | Yes, I did a wget for the newest rar from rarlab.com. Extracted it and moved unrar / rar to bin |
| 11:09.47 | Already | but I still use the unrar e command |
| 11:10.22 | trewas | rar and unrar are both in debian... |
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| 11:10.46 | orl | Hi! |
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| 11:11.03 | Already | Ok, but how to switch between free or not? |
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| 11:11.51 | Big_Aziz | hello |
| 11:11.59 | orl | I've got a disk in a RAID arryay that's having a defective sector. Unfortunately, for some reason, the RAID array is now running with only one disk (the one with defective sector). Is it safe to reintroduce the second disk in the array? |
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| 11:12.33 | An_Ony_Moose | where can I find information on which packages/category of packages can be found on which of the CDs? |
| 11:13.04 | ex-parrot | hey all, this seems like a pretty obvious question but how can I set the GTK theme colours in XFCE in wheezy? |
| 11:13.28 | trewas | Already: if you have installed random versions of them somewhere it is up to you, but probably rar x whatever.rar will work (because there should be no binary called rar that cannot extract anything) |
| 11:13.35 | frostschutz | orl, if it has read errors, the sync will fail and the raid stop working at that point |
| 11:14.02 | orl | frostschutz: I've got I/O errpr (on one sector only, it seems) |
| 11:14.24 | orl | s/errpr/error |
| 11:15.00 | orl | so it's not really safe to sync it back now |
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| 11:17.32 | frostschutz | orl, is it raid 1 or what? |
| 11:17.48 | orl | yes, I forgot to precise : RADI1, yes |
| 11:17.55 | orl | s/RADI/RAID |
| 11:18.02 | orl | mirroring |
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| 11:18.25 | An_Ony_Moose | ex-parrot: look for the theme file. It's a text file iirc, you can just copy it into your ~/.local/share/whatever (can't remember exactly where) and modify it as you will with your favourite editor |
| 11:19.06 | frostschutz | orl, depending on how many other errors that disk has (which you don't know yet), that other disk may be holding your data... if you sync to it you may end up with borked data on two disks. sync or ddrescue it to a third disk... if yours has errors you need a new one anyway, right? |
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| 11:19.37 | orl | frostschutz: sure, I will need a new one |
| 11:19.46 | Already | unrar: invalid archive 'ethe.big.bang.theory.713.hdtv-lol.rar': Bad address |
| 11:19.46 | Already | Usage: unrar [OPTION...] ARCHIVE [FILE...] [DESTINATION] |
| 11:19.46 | Already | Try `unrar --help' or `unrar --usage' for more information. |
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| 11:19.50 | frostschutz | orl, in any case, make a backup of what you have now, if you don't have a backup... |
| 11:19.57 | orl | though, I don't have it today, and am trying to get the max safe out of it! |
| 11:20.01 | ex-parrot | An_Ony_Moose: thanks I guess that's a fallback if I can't find a nicer approach :) |
| 11:20.20 | orl | frostschutz: I do, but not uptodate (few days ago), I'm trying to backup now, but the system is very slow |
| 11:20.25 | orl | and the copy too! |
| 11:20.50 | Already | Extracting from /var/downloads/completed/The.Big.Bang.Theory.S07E13.HDTV.x264- |
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| 11:21.27 | Already | http://paste.debian.net/80831/ |
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| 11:21.31 | orl | frostschutz: I'm thinking of using sg3-utils |
| 11:21.47 | orl | do you think it might work (after having backuped) |
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| 11:22.45 | An_Ony_Moose | ex-parrot: I don't think there is one :P |
| 11:23.32 | ex-parrot | another thing on my list of stuff that was put back more than a decade by gtk3 / gnome3 then I guess |
| 11:24.32 | An_Ony_Moose | Already: rar is a bit odd, there are some archives that can only be extracted with the windows version. I don't know for sure if that's what's causing the issue for you here, but those extract if I use wine to run windows 7-zip |
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| 11:27.27 | pederindi | hi, I see netperf is categorized as nonfree, I don't understand why is too extended in network community, there's no opensource alternative? Thanks |
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| 11:33.01 | ex-parrot | pederindi: would iperf be a suitable alternative? |
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| 11:33.30 | ex-parrot | around here at least iperf is the industry standard, nobody uses netperf |
| 11:34.03 | ep0xcc | Hi all. I have an urgent problem( I broke the Debian installation of my classroom! ) about packages. I'm looking for your help. |
| 11:34.30 | nabblet | hi, my media replay starts looping (for a second or so) now end then, when i stop moving my mouse. this is my /var/log/pm-powersave.log http://paste.debian.net/80832/ is there anything that looks suspicious? |
| 11:34.44 | nabblet | interestingly being busy on the keyboard does not have the same effect |
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| 11:34.52 | Asmooh | hi |
| 11:35.09 | dutchfish | hi, what is the debian way of granting access to a hardware device connected over a usb port, in my case a usb programmer for CPU's? I have read the information inside http://search.cpan.org/~gwadej/Device-USB-0.35/lib/Device/USB/FAQ.pod but i am not aware if debian has its special way of doing it, can anyone give me a clue ont that? |
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| 11:35.23 | nabblet | i really don't know where to keep on looking or what to do. Just tried linux mint 15 mate edition form live usb-stick. same symptoms |
| 11:35.35 | Asmooh | i wonder, i have my harddisk lvm encrypted when i installed (the complete disk) if someone takes the disk out of my computer can they get access to it without me giving the key (like NSA)? |
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| 11:36.13 | ep0xcc | I updated and dist-updated, then xserver-xorg is disappeared. I can't have it installed due to dependency problem. |
| 11:36.30 | orl | frostschutz: By the way, I just used smartctl to check, and it passed the overall-health test |
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| 11:36.45 | pederindi | ex-parrot: thanks for the suggestion |
| 11:37.25 | frostschutz | orl, if you mean smartctl -H, even completely broken disks tend to pass that |
| 11:37.39 | orl | oh, OK |
| 11:37.43 | pederindi | ex-parrot: also I found uperf, that is another alternative: http://uperf.org/ |
| 11:37.47 | orl | I meant smartctl -s |
| 11:37.54 | orl | but the only line I understood was that one |
| 11:38.00 | frostschutz | orl, pastebin the smartctl -a |
| 11:38.11 | orl | yep |
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| 11:40.08 | orl | frostschutz: http://paste.debian.net/80833/ |
| 11:40.10 | ep0xcc | I thought I wrote inappropriate sources.list |
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| 11:41.33 | ep0xcc | Could you help me? I have to have it fixed by tomorrow :-( |
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| 11:42.01 | orl | frostschutz: the one with -d ata option http://paste.debian.net/80834/ |
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| 11:43.31 | nabblet | Asmooh: well, you could try to boot from a live usb stick and then see what data you can see on your hard disk |
| 11:43.32 | ep0xcc | I have unstable and wheezy in sources.list the same time. But I don't know how to rollback to the previous version. |
| 11:44.19 | nabblet | Asmooh: as i understood it, LVM is merly for managing hard discs/ partitions and not for encryption |
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| 11:44.40 | orl | ep0xcc: unstable and wheezy, or testing and wheezy ? |
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| 11:44.53 | orl | btw, did you install things/upgrade since you put that entry in sources.list? |
| 11:45.21 | nabblet | Asmooh: am i correctly assuming that you chose lvm + encryption during install? |
| 11:45.35 | ep0xcc | orl, Unstable and wheezy |
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| 11:45.42 | nabblet | Asmooh: if i am correct, an other service/program is responsible for the crypot part |
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| 11:45.59 | nabblet | Asmooh: LUKS i think... could be wrong though. i am not an expert |
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| 11:46.47 | ep0xcc | orl, i had this sources.list for several months and it worked fine. It just didn't work this time. |
| 11:47.27 | orl | it's weird to have both of them |
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| 11:47.37 | orl | you probably are in unstable, now, I suppose |
| 11:47.41 | orl | what was broken? |
| 11:47.45 | orl | Your X display? |
| 11:48.15 | nabblet | Asmooh: usually you have two distinct methods. 1) encrypt only your user data. in that case, your operating system will be uncrpyted, but your data will be save. The advantage is, that your system is easy to boot and to fix, if there are trouble. The disadvantage is, that you system could be modified without you knowing. 2) Second aproach is to encrypt the full system. This will make it safer, because your OS is crpyted too. On the other hand, booting includes |
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| 11:48.36 | ep0xcc | Yep. Xserver-xorg can't be installed. (it's been removed in the latest autoremove) |
| 11:48.54 | orl | it's not autoremove, it's the upgrade that made this |
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| 11:48.59 | orl | it's a dependancy problem |
| 11:49.02 | orl | and it's not solved yet |
| 11:49.08 | nabblet | Asmooh: i don't know how debian is doing the crypt part, but the Arch Wiki is always a helpful ressource for more info and reference https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_Encryption_with_LUKS |
| 11:49.24 | orl | I don't think there is a simple way to get it back working until the package is built again (as the dependancy cannot be met) |
| 11:49.38 | orl | I would say you have to wait for this one |
| 11:49.41 | ep0xcc | Nope. I run distupdate then autoremove. It was removed in the autoremove run |
| 11:49.59 | orl | the dist-upgrade itself removed it, I think |
| 11:50.07 | orl | that's the point several of us experienced in there |
| 11:50.18 | orl | anyhow, you cannot install it back by now |
| 11:50.19 | Asmooh | nabblet, LVM + encryption indeed |
| 11:50.32 | orl | I filled a bug about it this morning |
| 11:50.39 | orl | I've got to go eating |
| 11:50.42 | Asmooh | i encrypted everything |
| 11:50.45 | Asmooh | the complete disk |
| 11:51.20 | ep0xcc | Hmm, I'm sure it wasn't. I read it from history.log |
| 11:51.27 | nabblet | Asmooh: as i said, the "do it yourself"-way is to boot from a CD or pen drive and see if you can access the files on your hard disk |
| 11:51.51 | Asmooh | nabblet, but i dont have access like what as example NSA has or the government |
| 11:51.56 | Asmooh | thats why i wonder |
| 11:51.57 | ep0xcc | Thank you for your help, orl :-) |
| 11:52.56 | nabblet | Asmooh: well, by using a CD or pendrive you can at least verify THAT your data is crpyted. I guess you won't be able to say anything about the quality of the crypting unless you're an expert |
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| 11:53.34 | nabblet | Asmooh: so i'd say: if it is crypted it's the best you got |
| 11:53.43 | Asmooh | well i know its encrypted, thats not the problem.. i also need to enter my passphare every time i start my computer |
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| 11:53.55 | f-a | hello: I am compiling a program and it complains it can't find "curses headers". Do you happen to know which packet do I have to apt-get to make this error disappear? |
| 11:54.00 | Asmooh | but that still doesnt mean its 100% safe :) |
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| 11:54.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | anyone here? |
| 11:54.21 | nabblet | Asmooh: at what time do you need to enter the password? after selecting linxu in grub? |
| 11:54.27 | f-a | many of us Eryn_1983_FL |
| 11:54.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi |
| 11:54.37 | Asmooh | hmm yeah think so |
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| 11:54.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | cool |
| 11:54.46 | Asmooh | after selecting the kernel version |
| 11:54.46 | nabblet | Asmooh: also about 100% safe, there some common misconceptions... |
| 11:54.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | weird weechat is not liking to reconnect on first start up. |
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| 11:55.25 | nabblet | Asmooh: first of: you will never be 100% safe. The only thing that is of importance is: How difficult is the information to get and how much does someone else want it |
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| 11:56.08 | nabblet | Asmooh: if *they* really want it, they will not bother to toy around with the encryption if it good. They will go for the weakes spot - which will be probably you |
| 11:56.22 | Asmooh | hmm |
| 11:56.27 | Asmooh | good point |
| 11:56.41 | nabblet | Asmooh: also, you can encrypt your data as much as you want... will not help you, in case you install all kind of whacky software or don't update your system |
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| 11:56.54 | nabblet | Asmooh: so it's always a tradeoff... |
| 11:57.21 | Asmooh | yeah, well i using this as test atm, before i buy a new laptop to know its safe |
| 11:57.35 | Asmooh | i will lose windows for it, but thats something i need to deal with for now |
| 11:57.51 | Asmooh | i will install windows xp mini on a portable usb key or so if i really need it |
| 11:58.02 | Asmooh | but no personal data will be there |
| 11:58.20 | nabblet | Asmooh: speaking of weakest links: see, most security holes come from applications (adobe, firefox, internet explorer, ...) and not the operating system or the encryption |
| 11:58.22 | Asmooh | thats why i want debian back as default system (after 10 years) |
| 11:58.39 | Asmooh | hm, yeah i dont use those anyway :) |
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| 11:59.05 | Asmooh | but i do get your point :) |
| 11:59.26 | Asmooh | btw, isn't there a way to upgrade debian to unstable but keep the old gnome? i really don't like the new one |
| 11:59.57 | nabblet | Asmooh: lol, i hope that's not the same system you want 100% safe :P |
| 11:59.59 | Asmooh | new gnome requires touchscreen, with mouse it sucks |
| 12:00.04 | Asmooh | whats wrong with gnome? |
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| 12:00.23 | nabblet | Asmooh: it's about unstable, not gnome |
| 12:00.27 | Asmooh | oohh |
| 12:00.40 | nabblet | unstable = not well tested -> bug -> security? |
| 12:00.44 | Asmooh | but back in the days, unstable was the newest.. stable was always old |
| 12:01.00 | nabblet | Asmooh: well, old but well tested and therefore more safe |
| 12:01.04 | Asmooh | hmm :) |
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| 12:01.34 | Asmooh | well i noticed a lot is changed since 2003 or so :) |
| 12:01.50 | Asmooh | now i don't have to mess around with drivers for next week to get wifi working ;) |
| 12:01.59 | nabblet | Asmooh: if you want a safe machine, i'd go for an appropriate bsd anyway... |
| 12:02.10 | Asmooh | bsd is to long ago, same as slackware |
| 12:02.14 | Asmooh | i always liked debian :) |
| 12:02.50 | Asmooh | but i understand that nothing is 100% safe, which i totally understand |
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| 12:02.57 | Asmooh | but i want to make it as hard as possible |
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| 12:03.32 | nabblet | Asmooh: any serious hardening will probably reduce your comfort |
| 12:03.40 | Asmooh | tough so :) |
| 12:03.49 | nabblet | Asmooh: that's why servers usually are command line only :P |
| 12:03.54 | Asmooh | true |
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| 12:04.20 | Asmooh | nah nabblet i just want to poke around and check before i buy a new laptop and start encrypting everything |
| 12:04.38 | nabblet | Asmooh: fair enough |
| 12:04.39 | Asmooh | btw, does debian + ssd work together? |
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| 12:04.46 | Imbue | Asmooh: sure |
| 12:04.48 | nabblet | Asmooh: yes |
| 12:04.49 | Asmooh | nice :) |
| 12:05.00 | nabblet | Asmooh: also be careful, there is a lot of mis-information on the web |
| 12:05.11 | nabblet | when it comes to ssd and wear-off protection |
| 12:05.14 | Asmooh | and it's the same as back in the days that linux wants more memory than cpu power, right? |
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| 12:05.59 | Asmooh | nabblet, i don't know what ssd i will buy.. but needs to be fast and at least 250gb |
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| 12:06.17 | nabblet | Asmooh: no :P I use 500 MB of ram and 9% cpu power on a 2*1.6 GHz and 2 GB ram laptop |
| 12:06.18 | koell | How do I bind the left Alt-key to access third level keys on keyboard? |
| 12:06.25 | Asmooh | huh? |
| 12:06.34 | nabblet | Asmooh: i run fluxbox in all fairness though |
| 12:06.37 | Asmooh | ahh :P |
| 12:06.40 | nabblet | Asmooh: super slim window manager |
| 12:06.52 | Imbue | Asmooh: it just depends on what you want to run really, the base os is very light |
| 12:06.53 | nabblet | Asmooh: ever tried it? |
| 12:06.57 | Asmooh | because as far as i remembered it was better to have more ram |
| 12:07.19 | Asmooh | nabblet, im using gnome already since 0.xx |
| 12:07.25 | Asmooh | i dont really leave gnome |
| 12:07.31 | nabblet | Asmooh: don't bother with more ram or more cpu - unless you want to do any heavy work anything abouve 1 GHz and 1 GB will do |
| 12:07.38 | Asmooh | i tried enlightenment but the DR17 project took way to long for me :) |
| 12:08.00 | nabblet | Asmooh: as you wish. i found fluxbox + kupfer to be unbeatable |
| 12:08.05 | nabblet | for me :) |
| 12:08.19 | Asmooh | well, my computer is slow already when i switch between xchat and chrome |
| 12:08.21 | Asmooh | also typing |
| 12:08.45 | nabblet | Asmooh: hm. either try xfce or give fluxbox a go :) |
| 12:09.04 | Asmooh | strange, i had a script to show cpu info.... |
| 12:09.17 | nabblet | Asmooh: also, the GTK theme you use will make some impact. there are test that show that the Mist gtk theme is the fastest theme |
| 12:09.22 | nabblet | and probably the ugliest :P |
| 12:09.34 | Asmooh | CPU: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3000+ 1794.558 MHz |
| 12:09.37 | nabblet | Asmooh: conky? |
| 12:09.41 | Asmooh | Mem: 1612/2215M [||||||||||] |
| 12:10.27 | nabblet | oh, i see |
| 12:10.34 | Asmooh | as you see, kinda much of ram use :) |
| 12:10.41 | nabblet | yes |
| 12:10.50 | nabblet | Asmooh: use htop and sort by ram usage? |
| 12:11.00 | nabblet | Asmooh: i guess one of your browsers will be the culprit |
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| 12:11.22 | Asmooh | let me check :) |
| 12:11.44 | Asmooh | oh resolution is 1680x1050 @ 32bpp |
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| 12:11.49 | nabblet | i use 217 MB of RAM and i have iceweasle (=firefox) running |
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| 12:12.09 | Asmooh | huh |
| 12:12.18 | Asmooh | in htop it says 614mb ram in use |
| 12:12.30 | Asmooh | 10% cpu |
| 12:12.32 | nabblet | Asmooh: yes, you have to be careful how to count your ram |
| 12:12.51 | Asmooh | load is kinda high |
| 12:13.12 | nabblet | Asmooh: sometimes, when you end a program, the program is still kept in ram in case you want to use it later again, but the place where that ended program is is marked as free |
| 12:13.14 | Asmooh | but chrome use 7% mem |
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| 12:13.23 | Asmooh | hm |
| 12:13.23 | nabblet | Asmooh: so it depends on how you count that "ended program" |
| 12:13.30 | Imbue | Asmooh: that's funny. htop gives me 614mb as well right now. |
| 12:13.35 | Asmooh | lol |
| 12:14.09 | Asmooh | well, i |
| 12:14.25 | Asmooh | im still trying to find out what i need for laptop and if linux start supporting touch screen or not |
| 12:14.28 | Asmooh | those things :) |
| 12:15.17 | Asmooh | but there isn't a problem with amd/ati anymore? or intel gm? |
| 12:15.27 | Imbue | 'gm'? |
| 12:15.36 | Asmooh | or whats the name today |
| 12:15.41 | Asmooh | hd graphics? |
| 12:15.59 | nabblet | Asmooh: well, intel graphics is the best supported as far as i know... |
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| 12:16.03 | Imbue | I have an intel cpu with integrated gpu and it works very well, full 3d support and so on |
| 12:16.11 | Imbue | haven't tried my nvidia gpu yet, had no need |
| 12:16.15 | nabblet | Asmooh: amd and nvidia is always a gample |
| 12:16.20 | nabblet | *gamble |
| 12:16.36 | Asmooh | hehe okay, last time i tried urban terror on linux with a high end video card it didnt to that well :) |
| 12:16.39 | Asmooh | few years ago |
| 12:16.40 | nabblet | although it seems nvidia is opening up :) |
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| 12:18.26 | Imbue | Asmooh: with memory usage you also have to take into account disk caching and so on |
| 12:18.28 | Asmooh | anyway.. my computer updates are kinda standing still since 2007 or so.. is an AMD E2100 dualcore enough for linux with all programs i'm going to use (so trying high end use, virtualbox and more) |
| 12:18.51 | Asmooh | ahh okay |
| 12:19.12 | Imbue | if you look at the naive measure of 'how much ram actually has data that is being used' you will get a high number |
| 12:19.28 | Imbue | because, well, why read back from disk all the time if you don't need to |
| 12:20.36 | Asmooh | hmmm.. i only see 8gb ram support on laptops :/ i was thinking of 16+ |
| 12:20.49 | Imbue | Asmooh: support by what? linux or the laptops? |
| 12:21.12 | Imbue | there are many instances where the manufacturer says '8gb max' and people have tried 16 without issue |
| 12:21.15 | Asmooh | laptops |
| 12:21.16 | Asmooh | :) |
| 12:21.20 | Asmooh | oh hehe |
| 12:21.26 | nabblet | Asmooh: btw, if you are interested into security/data encryption go for a messenger that support OTR (off the record messaging) |
| 12:21.39 | Imbue | best to search for the model on message boards and see what comes up |
| 12:21.43 | nabblet | Asmooh: i'd like to suggest jitsi - it even encrypts video/voice chat |
| 12:21.53 | Asmooh | oh i dont use video/voice on my computer |
| 12:21.59 | Asmooh | i use bbm video for that :) |
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| 12:22.10 | nabblet | Asmooh: plus you can chat encrypted over facebook of the other person can decrypt |
| 12:22.25 | nabblet | Asmooh: ok. anyway got to go |
| 12:22.26 | nabblet | bb |
| 12:22.31 | Asmooh | thanks :) |
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| 12:30.36 | ep0xcc | I'm still looking for help about packages. I put both unstable and wheezy in sources.list. after distupgrade and autoremove, xserver-xorg is missing. Could you help me? It's urgent for me because i just broke the Debian in my classroom! |
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| 12:31.59 | ep0xcc | I can't install the package because of incorrect dependencies. |
| 12:32.01 | orl | ep0xcc: By the way, I just received a mail from BTS telling me that this hasn't to be considered as a bug |
| 12:32.09 | orl | I mut admit I'm quite disappointed |
| 12:32.18 | orl | I do not see why, actually |
| 12:32.44 | ep0xcc | Hmm. Now must i reinstall the whole OS? |
| 12:32.50 | abrotman | ep0xcc: first lesson, don't mix stable and unstable? :) |
| 12:33.00 | orl | abrotman: that's for sure |
| 12:33.08 | ep0xcc | Thanks, I'll remember it. |
| 12:33.18 | abrotman | ep0xcc: choose one, use aptitude |
| 12:33.23 | abrotman | you're likely going to be stuck with unstable |
| 12:33.29 | orl | but the point is that the xserver-xorg being removed because of non-met dependancy is for me a bug |
| 12:33.39 | orl | and if it's not, I don't see how it's going to be fixed |
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| 12:34.29 | abrotman | ep0xcc: and the package you likely want is 'xorg' |
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| 12:34.49 | ep0xcc | abrotman: I'm sorry that I'm not with you. |
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| 12:35.09 | abrotman | you want 'xorg', not 'xserver-xorg' |
| 12:35.19 | orl | abrotman: xorg cannot be install in SID because it has unmet dependancies (linked to xorg-input-abi-19) |
| 12:35.30 | orl | that's why it's been removed from the dist-upgrade |
| 12:35.49 | ep0xcc | I see. But I'm still not clear what i should do |
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| 12:36.25 | orl | ep0xcc: my mind is that you cannot do anything until this is fixed, except reinstalling the OS |
| 12:36.31 | orl | seom others would perhaps tell you something else |
| 12:36.41 | abrotman | don't think i'd go that far .. |
| 12:36.50 | orl | but the dependencies cycle is pretty crappy in that case, I find |
| 12:36.57 | dbb0 | What was the name of the Perl script whose sole purpose was to make it easier to extract different kinds of archive files? |
| 12:37.22 | ep0xcc | So the only thing I can do is reinstalling or waiting for it to get fixed? |
| 12:37.51 | orl | that's my opinion, some more skilled than me might think you have other options |
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| 12:39.37 | ep0xcc | Maybe it's possible to install from /var/cache/apt ? |
| 12:39.41 | abrotman | so try it |
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| 12:43.41 | wilmaaaah | hi guys. if i'm not mistaken i once read a comment where a guy chrooted his pdf application for security reasons. first, would you say this is a favorable setup? is it actually increasing security with regards to possible hidden malware in pdfs? what would be the downsides of chrooting the pdf reader? |
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| 12:44.26 | orl | ep0xcc: I don't think you will have xserver-xorg in your /var/cache/apt, or at least it's going to be the new one |
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| 12:45.59 | joj | ep0xcc: there are wheezy, testing, unstable, experimental. You can easily upgrade from left to right, but downgrading is difficult or occ. impossible once you've installed major packages from more unstable repositories due to the way apt works (man apt_preferences). You can try, however, by doing apt-get -t wheezy install <list of all packages you've accidentally upgraded [must be complete]>. Before that, |
| 12:46.01 | joj | remove Sid from sources.list. NO guarantees this can be sorted out, however. |
| 12:46.42 | ep0xcc | orl: i think i have three version of xserver-xorg. From 1:7.7+3 to +5 |
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| 12:47.04 | xmj | whatever you do, do not forget to make backups. |
| 12:47.09 | xmj | ep0xcc: :p |
| 12:48.04 | ep0xcc | xmj: haha, you're absolutely right. Now it's a trouble. |
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| 12:49.10 | xmj | I get to enjoy ZFS, so... the lazy way of saving myself that trouble is only a snapshot away. |
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| 12:51.08 | ep0xcc | I did want to convert it to btrfs before, but it's too late now :-) |
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| 12:52.36 | joj | ep0xcc: WTH are you doing on a classroom computer? If they allow you to convert even its FS to btrfs, just upgrade the whole system to sid and everything's fine. |
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| 12:54.03 | ep0xcc | The administrator has installed windows XP. I don't like Microsoft, so i cracked bios password and have Debian installed :-P |
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| 12:55.40 | joj | ep0xcc: then just go with Sid. I've been running it on all my machines since 6 years and it works just fine. Considering your APT situation right now, it'd be not worth the hassle to try downgrading the system now. No disadvantages with staying on sid IMO, at the very least in your case :-D |
| 12:55.58 | orl | joj: I agree with thazt |
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| 12:56.11 | orl | except that xserver-xorg is broken on his system, and uninstallable in SID |
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| 12:57.37 | joj | orl: wasn't it "xorg" which had the abi bug I gather (from the backlog)?. xserver-xorg=1:7.7+5 installed on my sid right here. |
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| 12:58.47 | orl | joj: I didn't understood your sentence |
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| 12:58.51 | ep0xcc | I tried to install xserver by dpkg force depends. It seems that /usr/bin/xorg is missing... |
| 12:58.52 | orl | (my english is too poor) |
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| 12:59.42 | joj | 21:35 orl | abrotman: xorg cannot be install in SID because it has unmet dependancies (linked to xorg-input-abi-19) |
| 12:59.52 | orl | yes, that's it |
| 12:59.58 | orl | xorg and xserver-xorg cannot be installed |
| 13:00.04 | orl | and every xserver-xorg-input* |
| 13:00.16 | orl | and was actually removed by the dist-upgrade |
| 13:00.25 | abrotman | he could probably change his sources to jessie and install using aptitude |
| 13:00.36 | abrotman | orl: please try not to hit enter every fifth word |
| 13:00.57 | themill | There are two things that come to mind here: "welcome to sid" and "don't blindly dist-upgrade". |
| 13:01.06 | ep0xcc | orl: how do you survive without X? How did you fix it? |
| 13:01.45 | orl | ep0xcc: I can survive without X, but actually, ht eupgrade didn't asked to restart X, so I survive on the X that was running before the upgrade |
| 13:01.47 | ep0xcc | themill: welcome to sid? |
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| 13:02.02 | mrdeb | hi |
| 13:02.03 | orl | abrotman: OK, I will try to be cautious |
| 13:02.18 | abrotman | ep0xcc: you can to keep the pieces |
| 13:02.19 | mrdeb | is there way to remove 'search' button that doesnt work from nautilus 3.4.2 in deb7 |
| 13:02.20 | mrdeb | ??? |
| 13:02.31 | abrotman | mrdeb: just don't click it |
| 13:02.56 | joj | ep0xcc: what themill means is the sentiment as it is expressed in the preamble of this fine document WHICH YOU SHOULD'VE READ (among others) before attempting to sid: http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 13:03.00 | ep0xcc | orl: i just came home because the winter vacation is over. I upgraded the kernel so I rebooted immediately |
| 13:03.31 | orl | ep0xcc: no chance.... |
| 13:03.59 | ep0xcc | abrotman: I've already installed many packages from cache... |
| 13:04.15 | orl | joj: for sure, but it doesn't prevent from ponctual mistake (was my case), was in a hurry with the kids shouting around, did the upgrade. I don't complain, it's my fault, now I look for a solution (but the bug report was refused) |
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| 13:04.22 | mrdeb | abrotman: i want to remove it. desktop has to be perfect |
| 13:04.22 | abrotman | ep0xcc: and what? |
| 13:04.29 | abrotman | mrdeb: Okay, good luck |
| 13:04.37 | mrdeb | i have made most tweaks already like removing tracker |
| 13:04.43 | mrdeb | other broken things in g3 |
| 13:05.20 | mrdeb | can you install mutter in openbox for compositing? |
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| 13:05.25 | mrdeb | i like mutter more than compiz |
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| 13:07.07 | ep0xcc | abrotman: seems xserver wasn't successfully installed. /usr/bin/xorg is missing. |
| 13:07.13 | Asmooh | compiz... i remeber that from something |
| 13:07.20 | Asmooh | want that the transparant and 3d thing? |
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| 13:07.30 | mrdeb | ubuntu uses it for compos |
| 13:07.36 | mrdeb | but it crashes a lot and is slow |
| 13:07.51 | mrdeb | so does mutter work with openbox |
| 13:08.13 | themill | ep0xcc: there's no /usr/bin/xorg in any debian package |
| 13:08.21 | joj | mrdeb: mutter is a "small window manager". What you most probably want is xcompmgr (a standalone compositing manager). A technically more advanced compositing manager you can use with openbox is "compton", which you must build from source or pull in from testing or unstable. compton is being actively developed and used most prominently in Crunchbang Linux #!, a Debian-based Linux distro. |
| 13:08.23 | joj | http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=15949 |
| 13:09.09 | ep0xcc | themill: there's a symlink in /etc/x11 , which points to /usr/bin/xorg |
| 13:09.28 | mrdeb | joj: i used xcompmgr but its broken in stable |
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| 13:09.35 | themill | ep0xcc: there's no such directory as /etc/x11 either |
| 13:09.40 | mrdeb | i can use compton as deb install but id rather try something more developed |
| 13:09.50 | ep0xcc | themill: more precisely, /etc/X11/X |
| 13:09.58 | themill | that makes more sense |
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| 13:10.49 | Asmooh | i see that compiz is still not stable after all those years? |
| 13:11.06 | abrotman | It was removed for being a buggy POS |
| 13:11.08 | ep0xcc | I'm sorry that i wrote without caring for case. I'm typing on phone, it's painful :-( |
| 13:11.25 | Asmooh | get a better phone |
| 13:11.25 | Asmooh | :P |
| 13:12.01 | joj | mrdeb: that's unfortunate. personally, I don't use a compositing manager at all, but at the moment, I believe compton is the a) most stable and b) most compatible compositing mgr out there. It also as very lively community support and great documentation with examples, like https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compton, with workarounds for bugs with many applications/gfx drivers.. It's also very easy to build |
| 13:12.04 | joj | from source. With this, my recommendation stands. |
| 13:12.06 | mrdeb | Asmooh: it crashes in ubuntu 12.04 on me with nvidia |
| 13:12.12 | ep0xcc | Asmooh: I'm currently using Nexus 4 with TouchPal. |
| 13:12.18 | mrdeb | 'compiz has crashed and should restart' etc |
| 13:12.21 | Asmooh | hmm |
| 13:12.39 | mrdeb | but pure g 3 like debian 7 is fine |
| 13:12.44 | Asmooh | i used it when it was just released but since i didnt use linux for last few years as desktop i expected it to be done now :) |
| 13:12.48 | mrdeb | so i like mutter more and its faster |
| 13:13.00 | mrdeb | it is never done |
| 13:13.06 | mrdeb | new things get broken or never fixed |
| 13:13.14 | Asmooh | true |
| 13:13.15 | mrdeb | that is reality |
| 13:13.18 | Asmooh | i ment at least stable :) |
| 13:14.09 | Asmooh | it was kinda cool back in the days |
| 13:15.21 | Asmooh | hm, enlightenment is also not what they started with i see :( |
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| 13:17.00 | alshain | As of today, the server beeps three times every now and then from the PC speaker over a duration of 15-30 minutes, then suddenly the beeps were gone again. I checked dmesg, /v/l/messages amont others, SMART status, checked my motherboard's manual, IPMI's event log, all empty. Any ideas what would trigger that or how to track it down? |
| 13:17.02 | Asmooh | btw mrdeb i dont see compiz in unstable or experimental on debian 7 |
| 13:17.14 | mrdeb | oh |
| 13:17.17 | mrdeb | good |
| 13:17.26 | abrotman | Asmooh: again .. buggy pile of shit .. it was removed |
| 13:17.36 | Asmooh | everywhere? |
| 13:17.43 | abrotman | What does it look like to you? |
| 13:17.51 | Asmooh | well looks like it |
| 13:17.55 | mrdeb | is canonical still using compiz for 14.05 |
| 13:17.56 | mrdeb | ? |
| 13:18.00 | ep0xcc | Thank you very much for your warm help. I'm waiting for an update. By the way, I'm also preparing an installation iso :-( |
| 13:18.01 | mrdeb | why not mutter or somethign else |
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| 13:18.49 | orl | ep0xcc: I'm not sure the update will come soon, considering the "not a bug" annswer of the maintainer |
| 13:18.53 | abrotman | mrdeb: ask #ubutnu |
| 13:18.56 | abrotman | #ubuntu |
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| 13:19.03 | mrdeb | they dont know anything there |
| 13:19.20 | abrotman | mrdeb: go ask them .. this is not a channel to ask Ubuntu questions |
| 13:19.31 | mrdeb | i am not asking |
| 13:19.34 | mrdeb | side question |
| 13:19.39 | abrotman | Just stop |
| 13:19.57 | ep0xcc | orl: how about you? Are you planning to not shut down until the update arrives? |
| 13:20.12 | mrdeb | good morning |
| 13:20.19 | orl | ep0xcc: I might |
| 13:20.32 | orl | by the way I can live without X on this machine (still it's not really easy) |
| 13:20.50 | orl | but for now, yes, I won't reboot until I'm obliged too |
| 13:21.16 | orl | but there are many storms in France theses last days/weeks, and often I do not choose when I reboot! :p |
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| 13:21.24 | orl | abrotman: sorry, I did it again! |
| 13:22.03 | ep0xcc | I'm planning to copy the Arch Linux in my laptop to the computer of my classroom. It should work at least. |
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| 13:22.25 | Asmooh | hmm..well i see indeed that there is no compiz anymore.. sucks so no nice effects anymore and stuff |
| 13:22.26 | Asmooh | :( |
| 13:23.31 | orl | ep0xcc: if you're about to reinstall something, you can reinstall debian (testing for example) as well |
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| 13:23.59 | ep0xcc | orl: i hope you your electricity supply won't go off :-) |
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| 13:24.06 | orl | I hope too! |
| 13:24.48 | ep0xcc | Just copying arch that I've already configured saves my time. |
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| 13:27.26 | mrdeb | compiz works good in gnome 2 with zoomy effects |
| 13:27.35 | mrdeb | but it got very slow and crashy in 3 |
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| 13:34.39 | saivert | -rw-rw-r--+ <-- a + at the end? |
| 13:35.28 | xand | saivert: that means it has an aCL |
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| 13:43.02 | saivert | hmm.. ok. I don't remember turning on any acl |
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| 13:47.42 | saivert | hmm tune2fs shows acl as default mount option |
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| 13:50.46 | saivert | setfacl --remove-all DONE!! |
| 13:50.59 | Asmooh | anyone knows a good social app/program? where i can connect all my social accounts to and just open that program to check and reply? without having to go to the website |
| 13:52.20 | apm1 | empathy used to do that iirc |
| 13:52.32 | saivert | only for the respective chat services |
| 13:52.48 | saivert | and you can still do that. pidgin supports facebook and with a plugin you can use twitter from it |
| 13:52.57 | Asmooh | hmm |
| 13:53.04 | saivert | but for facebook wall posts and news feed I don't know |
| 13:53.23 | saivert | every social network is different and has different concept. hard to make software that unifies that |
| 13:53.29 | orl | saivert: hey nice |
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| 13:54.16 | jerrino77 | hello |
| 13:54.19 | Asmooh | saivert, yeah but for some reason my computer feels slow in debian :/ same as my netbook |
| 13:54.26 | Asmooh | maybe my hw is to old? |
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| 13:54.37 | saivert | one of the first netbooks ? |
| 13:54.43 | saivert | they were slow even back in 2008 |
| 13:54.49 | jerrino77 | anyone for Debian ARM? |
| 13:54.56 | orl | saivert: I don't see twitter in the proposed protocoles |
| 13:54.58 | jerrino77 | need help on U-Boot |
| 13:55.22 | apm1 | jerrino77, try the chans on OFTC |
| 13:55.30 | Asmooh | euhm |
| 13:55.36 | Asmooh | atom let me check :P |
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| 13:55.47 | abrotman | jerrino77: #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:55.55 | abrotman | Atom is not ARM |
| 13:55.57 | saivert | https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ThirdPartyPlugins |
| 13:56.02 | Asmooh | Intel atom N450 @ 1.66GHz |
| 13:56.02 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 13:56.05 | saivert | you find at least two plugins that supports twitter there |
| 13:56.15 | orl | saivert: OK, it's plugin you got to install |
| 13:56.17 | orl | Thanks |
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| 13:57.10 | jerrino77 | @abrotman: thanks |
| 13:57.23 | Asmooh | saivert, i just think its time to throw away my old hardware.. which sucks because i dont like to throw away things that arnt broken |
| 13:57.57 | saivert | Asmooh: you don't have to throw it away but you need to realize its shortcomings and try to use it for something that it can do well |
| 13:58.46 | Asmooh | hm yeah guess so |
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| 13:58.47 | saivert | use it as a terminal client (ssh or vnc) perhaps |
| 13:59.04 | saivert | or you could try to run Haiku OS on it. |
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| 13:59.15 | Asmooh | i dont like new things :) |
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| 13:59.50 | saivert | I love new operating systems. but Haiku OS isn't exactly a new OS. Has been around for a long time |
| 13:59.59 | saivert | but it is obscure |
| 14:00.09 | Asmooh | well the laptop that "matches" my requirements for a "mid-end" linux laptop costs 900 euro |
| 14:00.32 | Asmooh | 1227usd |
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| 14:00.54 | Asmooh | and thats a lot if you dont really need it :) |
| 14:01.08 | Imbue | hmm, that seems quite expensive |
| 14:01.25 | Imbue | I paid sub $1k for a quad i7 with ssd and so on 2 years ago |
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| 14:01.38 | Asmooh | hmm |
| 14:01.38 | saivert | I'm thinking about buying this Beaglebone Black. I'm done with Raspberry Pi. Raspberry pi seems like such a weird mix. It has powerful video decoding and GPU but has a shitty CPU and other shortcomings. The Beaglebone black has a weak GPU and doesn't do video decoding well but at least has a modern ARM chip that can run a lot more distros than the RPi can. |
| 14:01.39 | Imbue | i suppose my definition of 'mid end' is different to yours.. :p |
| 14:02.01 | Asmooh | well the original price is 884 usd @ Imbue |
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| 14:02.12 | abrotman | !ot |
| 14:02.13 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 14:02.15 | Asmooh | but: 16gb ram upgrade + 256gb ssd |
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| 14:02.25 | Asmooh | oh 250gb even |
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| 14:03.13 | saivert | most just idle here anyways |
| 14:04.08 | abrotman | that's not relevant |
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| 14:33.31 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a log file parser similar to logcheck, but which allows "grouping" (e.g. applying a regex and merging all matching lines) and filtering of events . The log files are quite big and I'm not interested in each report, but if it happens a number of time (some configurable threshold) then I'd like to get a report for some logs. Other should be always reported. Any ideas? Thanks. |
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| 14:35.53 | abrotman | rudi_s: you want a "log file frequency check" ? |
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| 14:38.48 | rudi_s | abrotman: Depends on what exactly that does. |
| 14:39.25 | abrotman | I'm asking if that's what you're looking for? |
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| 14:42.04 | rudi_s | abrotman: I want to have thresholds for certain log messages (if they are over the threshold, they get reported, threshcold can be = 1, so they are always reported), but I need a "grouping" step before that because the lines I want to check the treshhold on are not identical. E.g. "authentication failure; user=foo" and "authentication failure; user=bar" should count together against the threshold (configurable of course). |
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| 14:44.05 | abrotman | rudi_s: the check_log script for nagios has something that searches for various items, you could alter it to alert you over a certain number of entries |
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| 14:44.26 | abrotman | rudi_s: I'm not sure how complex you want this to be |
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| 14:45.45 | rudi_s | abrotman: The merging step should be regex where I can specify the groups to merge on. And the thresh hold should be configurable for each pattern. |
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| 14:46.18 | An_Ony_Moose | I'm trying to get debian running on my macbook pro. I've installed it successfully (using installation CD 1), but it's not booting yet; how can I debug it? I don't get a shell at any point. |
| 14:46.38 | rudi_s | abrotman: Thanks, I'll look into check_log. |
| 14:46.38 | SirLagz | An_Ony_Moose: what do you get ? |
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| 14:46.56 | abrotman | rudi_s: how many MB/day does this log generate? |
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| 14:47.43 | rudi_s | abrotman: ~200MiB |
| 14:47.46 | abrotman | rudi_s: You could use a log indexer like logstash or splunk |
| 14:47.50 | An_Ony_Moose | SirLagz: hang on I'll boot again and take a picture of the screen >.< (I don't have another computer handy for IRC, except my phone... I'll try though :D ) |
| 14:47.57 | SirLagz | An_Ony_Moose: no problems |
| 14:49.11 | abrotman | rudi_s: for instance, we use splunk and we can get real time alerts based on various log events across our platform. |
| 14:49.33 | An_Ony_Moose | SirLagz: typin from my phone yeeeeeaaaahhh.... the last message is [drm] nouveau *pciaddress* PRAMIN flush timeout |
| 14:49.41 | SirLagz | An_Ony_Moose: lol |
| 14:49.54 | SirLagz | An_Ony_Moose: does pressing ctrl-alt-F1 do anything ? |
| 14:50.04 | SirLagz | An_Ony_Moose: or whatever keys the mac has in it's place |
| 14:50.12 | rudi_s | abrotman: Thanks, will have a look. But I'd like to keep it simple and things like "logstash comes with a web interface for searching and drilling into all of your logs." makes me a little uneasy. But it's optional that wouldn't be a problem. |
| 14:50.18 | An_Ony_Moose | nope, as I said I havent got a shell |
| 14:50.22 | An_Ony_Moose | p |
| 14:50.22 | mrdeb | was tehre a kernel upgrade today for wheezy? |
| 14:50.33 | mrdeb | bec i changes sources.list from wheezy to stable and now it says there is |
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| 14:50.40 | mrdeb | is stable same as wheezy when upgrading |
| 14:50.50 | abrotman | rudi_s: apt-cache search log alert .. that may give some results |
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| 14:51.17 | An_Ony_Moose | hm I could try booting single-user |
| 14:51.21 | abrotman | mrdeb: your sources should point at wheezy |
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| 14:51.29 | rudi_s | abrotman: I don't need monitoring, I only want to check the logs after the fact. |
| 14:51.33 | mrdeb | abrotman: why not stable |
| 14:51.35 | rudi_s | Is splunk free-software? |
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| 14:51.46 | mrdeb | it loaded up 'stable' fine |
| 14:51.55 | mrdeb | files in /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 14:52.00 | abrotman | rudi_s: apt-cache show tenshi .. for example |
| 14:52.21 | abrotman | rudi_s: they have a 500MB eval license, but no, it's not OSS |
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| 14:52.37 | abrotman | it's a perpetual eval license I believe |
| 14:52.51 | An_Ony_Moose | nope no love from single-user either. |
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| 14:53.49 | An_Ony_Moose | any other boot options to try? |
| 14:53.55 | rudi_s | abrotman: Ok. Then splunk is nothing for me. - Thanks, will have a look at tenshi, although I'd prefer a more passive solution, like logcheck. Run once to collect all the data and generate the report. |
| 14:53.57 | maroloccio | how do i pronouce debian? deh-bee-ahn? dee-bee-ahn? |
| 14:54.07 | monsieurp | maroloccio: you don't pronounce it. full stop. |
| 14:54.26 | abrotman | ... |
| 14:54.28 | maroloccio | monsieurp: you are right. sorry for asking a silly question |
| 14:54.34 | abrotman | maroloccio: deb ian |
| 14:54.36 | monsieurp | maroloccio: thanks |
| 14:54.37 | An_Ony_Moose | I pronounce it dee-bee-un |
| 14:54.44 | abrotman | that's incorrect |
| 14:54.49 | maroloccio | monsieurp: sorry about being a noob |
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| 14:55.09 | monsieurp | maroloccio: it's fine don't worry |
| 14:55.10 | abrotman | it's the merging of two names, Deb and Ian .. |
| 14:55.17 | abrotman | monsieurp: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 14:55.30 | abrotman | !pronounce Debian |
| 14:55.30 | dpkg | debian is pronounced like Deb and like Ian. DEH bee uhn, or http://forvo.com/word/debian/ |
| 14:55.37 | monsieurp | abrotman: no I was trying to help maroloccio with his pronounciation |
| 14:55.47 | abrotman | monsieurp: it seems like you're being a jerk. |
| 14:56.03 | abrotman | maroloccio: Make sense? |
| 14:56.05 | monsieurp | abrotman: do I come across as a jerk? sorry |
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| 14:56.08 | cheater_1 | hi |
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| 14:56.12 | maroloccio | abrotman: yes, it does. thank you |
| 14:56.52 | cheater_1 | when installing a program from source, is checkinstall still the preferred method to put the program's files under package manager control or is there something else i should be using now? |
| 14:57.31 | abrotman | cheater_1: checkinstall or stow, yes |
| 14:57.46 | monsieurp | maroloccio: this channel deals with the Debian distribution, not with how you should correctly pronounce "debian" |
| 14:58.05 | monsieurp | maroloccio: go to ##English for such questions |
| 14:58.41 | An_Ony_Moose | SirLagz: http://soundray.org/linus/debian-not-booting.jpg |
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| 14:59.02 | abrotman | monsieurp: Please don't do that. Take a timeout. |
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| 14:59.50 | SirLagz | An_Ony_Moose: I can't access the jpg |
| 15:00.02 | SirLagz | An_Ony_Moose: also, ctrl-alt-f1 should bring you to a shell if X isn't working properly, which is what I suspect. |
| 15:00.07 | cheater_1 | abrotman: why would i use stow? which is better? |
| 15:00.19 | abrotman | cheater_1: they have documentation, and probably I'd use checkinstall |
| 15:00.28 | mrdeb | ok, so putting in stable or wheezy in apt/sources.lkist is same. now i know |
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| 15:00.50 | cheater_1 | abrotman: are you saying checkinstall doesn't have documentation? (i've never looked for any) |
| 15:01.04 | abrotman | I'm saying they do have documentation |
| 15:01.12 | cheater_1 | and stow doesn't? |
| 15:01.23 | abrotman | "They have documentation" |
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| 15:02.01 | cheater_1 | are you trying to rtfm? |
| 15:02.05 | cheater_1 | rtfm me |
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| 15:02.24 | cheater_1 | haha, that kind of backfired. anyways, i'll check out stow, thanks. |
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| 15:02.29 | An_Ony_Moose | SirLagz: oops, fixed the permission. and I'm not sure it gets to that stage |
| 15:02.47 | SirLagz | An_Ony_Moose: still can't see it |
| 15:02.49 | An_Ony_Moose | SirLagz: I mean, I think what's showing *is* tty1 |
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| 15:02.59 | An_Ony_Moose | http://soundray.org/linus/debian-not-booting.jpg works for me |
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| 15:03.18 | cheater_1 | oh, ok, 10 seconds into reading the stow page i know that i don't want it! |
| 15:03.30 | SirLagz | An_Ony_Moose: nope, still not working for me... |
| 15:03.34 | An_Ony_Moose | also, the computer gets scarily warm and the fans spin up |
| 15:03.42 | abrotman | cheater_1: I figured as much :) |
| 15:03.53 | abrotman | cheater_1: some people do choose it, so that's why I mentioned it |
| 15:04.24 | mrdeb | so printscreen doesnt work |
| 15:04.33 | mrdeb | is that bec u need to create pictures folder in home which is not create when installing |
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| 15:08.32 | ostezer | hiya. What does "UTS" (as in namespaces) stand for? |
| 15:08.44 | An_Ony_Moose | SirLagz: I'll try uploading it elsewhere. What's a free image hosting service that doesn't need an account? |
| 15:08.51 | SirLagz | An_Ony_Moose: imgur ? |
| 15:08.54 | SirLagz | An_Ony_Moose: tinypic ? |
| 15:08.57 | abrotman | picpaste.com |
| 15:09.15 | SirLagz | anyone know of a good javascript webtop / web desktop thigno ? |
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| 15:10.11 | An_Ony_Moose | incoming... |
| 15:10.13 | An_Ony_Moose | SirLagz: http://imgur.com/PZXslmw |
| 15:10.23 | SirLagz | *click* |
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| 15:11.38 | SirLagz | An_Ony_Moose: and you cant change ttys at all ? |
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| 15:12.13 | An_Ony_Moose | SirLagz: nope. |
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| 15:12.40 | SirLagz | humm...not sure then. Not too familiar with Macs unfortunately. |
| 15:13.00 | SirLagz | An_Ony_Moose: does your keyboard have lights for numlock / capslock ? |
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| 15:13.50 | deusPro | I have a suspicion that my remote machine is being hammered by ssh attempted logins. Is there anything I can do remotely? My ssh logins time out |
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| 15:14.21 | dast | deusPro: try running SSH on a different port |
| 15:14.23 | abrotman | deusPro: you can use something like fail2ban, or change the port |
| 15:14.51 | dast | deusPro: most of the times, these ssh-attacks are performed by automated scripts.. they won't notice if you change the port |
| 15:15.01 | deusPro | The port is already changed to a non default. |
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| 15:15.20 | dfceaef_ | An_Ony_Moose: nomodeset might help you :) |
| 15:15.22 | dast | deusPro: ah, then they found out your port :-P |
| 15:15.35 | An_Ony_Moose | SirLagz: good idea, I'll try that |
| 15:15.41 | An_Ony_Moose | dfceaef_: and that, thanks, brb |
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| 15:16.52 | deusPro | thought that a two factor password would be better than RSA, guess that's wrong huh? |
| 15:16.58 | dast | deusPro: is it all from the same IP? iptables might be able to help you then |
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| 15:17.19 | deusPro | dast: I have no idea, I can't really log in. |
| 15:17.21 | dast | deusPro: a two factor will help you the prevent unauthorized access, it wont prevent DoS attacks |
| 15:17.34 | dast | deusPro: can't you login with the console? |
| 15:17.50 | deusPro | dast: You mean physical access? |
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| 15:17.56 | dast | deusPro: yes |
| 15:18.11 | abrotman | deusPro: fail2ban |
| 15:18.22 | abrotman | dpkg: tell deusPro about fail2ban |
| 15:18.26 | deusPro | dast: yes i can, i just have to drive 30 minutes. I guess that's my only solution |
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| 15:18.44 | dast | abrotman: for fail2ban, you'll need access first :-P |
| 15:18.55 | abrotman | I'm sure he'll get in evnetually |
| 15:19.02 | abrotman | he can't remedy anything if he can't get in .. |
| 15:19.05 | dast | deusPro: I'm geussing thats the best option... or, wait till the ssh attacks are done |
| 15:19.14 | deusPro | Thanks guys for the hints |
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| 15:19.38 | dast | abrotman: you're right; he will at some point, but first we have to get him in before he can do something to prevent it from happening a second time, right? |
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| 15:22.35 | An_Ony_Moose | dfceaef_ SirLagz nomodeset worked! |
| 15:22.37 | niteye | using nautilus or Thunar to view samba shares is extremely unstable in current stable. every 10 minutes all folders show as empty and you can't open any files anymore, you have to restart nautilus or Thunar, VLC can't open smb:// links and gnome media player stutters often, which makes me have to resort to mounting sshfs instead, works fine obviously when using windows or sshfs so its not a network issue |
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| 15:23.16 | niteye | any ideas ? |
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| 15:24.21 | dfceaef_ | An_Ony_Moose: damn nvidia graphic cards are always trouble makers :P |
| 15:25.16 | An_Ony_Moose | dfceaef_: :( so what problems will nomodeset be causing me? Also, how can I find out what firmware I need for the wireless card? |
| 15:25.16 | knarz | radeons too :p |
| 15:25.37 | An_Ony_Moose | knarz: ^^ how about just "graphics cards"? |
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| 15:27.36 | mrdeb | is printing support install default in debian 7 |
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| 15:29.09 | niteye | can anyone help me if it's supported to view windows shares in debian? |
| 15:30.30 | niteye | also key shotcuts do NOT work with the azerty keymap |
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| 15:32.42 | dfceaef_ | An_Ony_Moose: sorry i don't know :( For the wireless driver, just lspci and google it |
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| 15:33.37 | johnakabean | why doesnt debian require permissions from root or sudo to change network settings? thats insecure and theo only thing i hate about debian so far over other distro's |
| 15:33.57 | johnakabean | can I chmown root:root something to stop this? |
| 15:34.00 | johnakabean | chown* |
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| 15:35.22 | abrotman | johnakabean: what are you talking about? |
| 15:35.24 | An_Ony_Moose | johnakabean: I'm not 100% sure but maybe removing users from the netdev group is what you want. don't trust what I'm saying without confirmstion though |
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| 15:49.05 | ChibaPet | johnakabean: Are you talking about Network Manager? |
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| 16:16.17 | Error4o4 | when I zip a file using "zip /home/user/file.zip /home/user/otherfile.txt" the result zip also stores the whole folder hierarchy.. Is there a way to have the file only in the zip, without the parent folder structure? |
| 16:18.01 | Error4o4 | got it finally... zip -j |
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| 16:24.03 | dprophit | I'm getting help in #vbox chat and I have firewall issues with host win7. He says ask someone to examine https://github.com/Cyb3r-Assassin/n4p and fork it for debian/ubuntu |
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| 16:24.36 | abrotman | You can file an RFP |
| 16:25.04 | dprophit | file an RFP? Why? I'm not asking for changes to debian core |
| 16:25.17 | abrotman | You want someone to package it ? |
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| 16:26.06 | dprophit | abrotman: #vbox Cyb3r-Assassin: Ask somene in #debian to fix my script to run in ubuntu/debian it's a shell script |
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| 16:30.26 | mrdeb | what package do u have to install to get screen reader to work in g3 |
| 16:30.27 | mrdeb | ??? |
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| 16:32.03 | abrotman | dprophit: Uhm .. he can fix it himself? |
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| 16:33.18 | dprophit | abrotman: he's a gentoo admin not debian. You don't have to do anything I suppose. Someone may help. |
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| 16:36.11 | waqstar | gentoo, yuk |
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| 16:36.30 | mrdeb | wow! afterin removing tracker and purging, nautilus search works!! |
| 16:36.33 | mrdeb | wowowowowo!! |
| 16:37.23 | niteye | yes something works in linux, its incredible :-D |
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| 16:38.40 | evdo- | off topic: is there any distro ships with wvdial? |
| 16:39.10 | tremon | evdo-: you mean apart from debian? |
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| 16:40.19 | evdo- | there is no wvdial in 1st dvd, cant download all dvd , bandwidth still very expensive here |
| 16:41.07 | evdo- | people still do use ppp :| |
| 16:41.22 | abrotman | evdo-: first CD has pppconfig IIRC |
| 16:41.35 | abrotman | and then pon/poff |
| 16:41.40 | tremon | first off, do you know there's debian install cd's as well? There's no need to download a full dvd |
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| 16:43.31 | mallxs | evdo-: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/wvdial just down load the .deb |
| 16:44.13 | abrotman | he may need ppp to finish his install or get internet? |
| 16:44.32 | mrdeb | hi |
| 16:44.35 | grep0r | evdo-, where? |
| 16:44.38 | mrdeb | screenshot crashes gnome 3. how to fix please |
| 16:44.49 | mallxs | yep was looking at the list of dependencies |
| 16:44.57 | evdo- | thanks for the tip, but it has some dependencies |
| 16:45.01 | tremon | evdo-: wvdial is on cd12 (for amd64 at least) |
| 16:45.07 | abrotman | evdo-: pppconfig doesn't work ? |
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| 16:45.25 | tremon | evdo-: do you currently have no connection at all on that machine? |
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| 16:45.33 | evdo- | abrotman, not with my 3g modem |
| 16:45.47 | abrotman | then why would wvdial work ? |
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| 16:46.47 | evdo- | i don't know new to debian but my 3g modem works with usbmode switch & wvdial |
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| 16:50.20 | n0x90 | hi all |
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| 16:51.15 | mrdeb | screenshot crashes gnome 3. how to fix please |
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| 16:53.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell mrdeb about smart questions |
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| 16:54.05 | mrdeb | hmmph |
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| 17:05.23 | kRush | find it weird that debian pushes updates out before posting news about it |
| 17:05.35 | ldnblk | does any one know if it is possible to upgrade from squeeze i386 amd64 kernel to wheezy amd64 using amd 64 kernel ? |
| 17:05.45 | centrx | kRush, Archives are updated before the website |
| 17:05.54 | ldnblk | using the wheezy update dvd |
| 17:05.57 | centrx | ldnblk, Probably not in any reliable way |
| 17:06.31 | centrx | ldnblk, I found this: http://www.ewan.cc/?q=node/90 |
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| 17:07.15 | ldnblk | Centrx : ok thanks . |
| 17:07.21 | abrotman | kRush: There was news, you may not have seen it, but there was news |
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| 17:07.38 | kRush | abrotman, where? |
| 17:07.49 | c3ntuntu | hey guys ... can someone tell me how i connect to ovirt linux and windows VMS ?? opening the "console" just give me console.vv to download |
| 17:07.52 | c3ntuntu | tank u very much |
| 17:07.56 | c3ntuntu | *h |
| 17:08.05 | babilen | ldnblk: (this will void warranty) |
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| 17:08.47 | abrotman | kRush: you're referring to 7.0.4? |
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| 17:09.14 | kRush | 7.4, no? |
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| 17:09.20 | abrotman | Then whihc? |
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| 17:09.31 | centrx | n'est-ce pas |
| 17:10.11 | abrotman | kRush: ? |
| 17:11.00 | mallxs | kRush: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/694/Debian_issues_a_new_point-release_7.2 |
| 17:11.11 | kRush | 7.4 == 7.0.4? |
| 17:11.20 | abrotman | yes, sorry |
| 17:11.24 | abrotman | https://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/2014/02/msg00000.html |
| 17:11.35 | abrotman | I meant 7.4, sorry |
| 17:11.44 | abrotman | There was a notice earlier in the week |
| 17:13.16 | kRush | ah there is where the 2014 archive is hidden =p |
| 17:13.26 | abrotman | Yes .. hidden .. |
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| 17:13.42 | kRush | https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/ |
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| 17:13.46 | kRush | is not on there |
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| 17:13.55 | kRush | different url scheme.. well |
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| 17:16.18 | abrotman | kRush: no, it's in debian-stable-announce |
| 17:16.37 | jmd | I don't seem to be able to create a hard link to a directory. Why not? |
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| 17:17.05 | abrotman | kRush: I think there will appear a message in the debian-announce later, but the early warning goes to debian-stable-announce |
| 17:17.15 | abrotman | jmd: across partitions? |
| 17:17.42 | jmd | no. same partition. |
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| 17:17.45 | kRush | oh, I see. |
| 17:18.00 | abrotman | jmd: an error might help |
| 17:18.23 | ldnblk | babilen: thanks I just looked at the website centrx sent, I think that I will go with a fresh install and get every thing 64bit installed. |
| 17:18.36 | jmd | abrotman: "Operation not permitted' |
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| 17:19.08 | abrotman | filesystem is? |
| 17:19.16 | jmd | ext3 I think |
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| 17:20.12 | Imbue | can I remove a package without removing its' parent metapackage? also, is this a good idea - is there a better way of achieving my objective? |
| 17:20.36 | Imbue | example: apt-get remove gnome-orca tries to remove gnome, which seems like it will cause problems next time I use apt |
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| 17:22.22 | centrx | Imbue, I would remove the metapackage myself |
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| 17:23.12 | Imbue | centrx: i would like to avoid the scenario that apt decides that 'gnome' is a dependency of.. well, everything |
| 17:23.16 | Imbue | should I worry about that? |
| 17:23.38 | babilen | ldnblk: Well, if you reinstall anyway why not try it? It might be fun! Just don't expect it to work, but then you have nothing to lose! ;) |
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| 17:23.59 | centrx | Imbue, I don't use gnome, but packages that require gnome should depend on gnome-core or libgnome or something like that |
| 17:24.08 | Imbue | okay. let's see. |
| 17:24.17 | bullgard4 | "Everything in Unix is a file or a process." Description of the DEB program package »x11-utils«: "appres, editres, listres and viewres query the X resource database." What is the filename of the X resource database? |
| 17:24.42 | Imbue | centrx: now apt-get autoremove wants to kill 200+ packages |
| 17:24.46 | centrx | bullgard4, Xresources ? |
| 17:25.03 | abrotman | jmd: does a symlink work ? |
| 17:25.30 | ldnblk | bablilen: thanks for the advice if it all goes not too well the one thing that I do have to loose is time along with alittle bit of hair :-) |
| 17:25.32 | Imbue | hat I'd like to do is remove some unnecessary programs without breaking anything, if that makes sense... I could just remove them from main menu, I suppose |
| 17:25.35 | jmd | Yes. But I need a hardlink. |
| 17:25.36 | Imbue | what* |
| 17:25.37 | tremon | ldnblk: note that under multi-arch, the system's "native" architecture is actually defined as the architecture of the installed dpkg. So strictly speaking, if you "apt-get install dpkg:amd64" (after dist-upgrading to wheezy, and enabling multi-arch) you will have achieved your goal |
| 17:25.42 | centrx | Imbue, Okay, those would be packages depended on /by/ "gnome", under gnome, not above it |
| 17:25.45 | abrotman | jmd: I was just asking if it worked |
| 17:25.53 | abrotman | jmd: there is a verbose mode which may tell you more |
| 17:25.57 | Imbue | centrx: yes, that makes sense |
| 17:26.25 | centrx | Imbue, If you want to get autoremove working again, you could explicitly run apt-get install on already installed packages you know you want |
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| 17:27.35 | tremon | Imbue: I would first mark every dependency of the gnome metapackage as manually installed. Then you should be able to remove the metapackage without ill effects |
| 17:27.54 | Imbue | centrx, tremon: I had that thought, however |
| 17:28.10 | tremon | that should be as simple as aptitude unmarkauto ~Rgnome, but I haven't tried it |
| 17:28.33 | Imbue | the issue then is, what if I remove one of the packages that requires another one in the list - will apt not see that the 'required' package was manually installed, and thus leave it there to do nothing? |
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| 17:29.21 | tremon | the "auto" status has nothing to do with packages you explicitly ask to remove, it only affects autoremove |
| 17:29.38 | Imbue | I understand that, let me see if I can find an example |
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| 17:30.21 | Imbue | the gnome metapackage has lots of 'libxxx'. it also has rhythmbox |
| 17:30.31 | Imbue | if I mark everything as manually installed, and then apt-get remove rhythmbox |
| 17:30.52 | Imbue | if any of those 'libxxx' packages are rhythmbox dependencies (solely), won't they remain intact? |
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| 17:31.44 | tremon | the libraries will remain, yes. But that one is (easily) handled by aptitude markauto ~slibs (something I tend to do after every install and dist-upgrade) |
| 17:32.10 | bullgard4 | centrx: There is only a directory /etc/X11/Xressources/ and no file. In Debian 7.3 /etc/X11/Xressources/ contains only one file: /etc/X11/Xresources/x11-common. This file contains only one if clause and can in no way be the X ressource database. |
| 17:32.16 | Imbue | well, this works for libraries, but not for other dependencies |
| 17:32.22 | Imbue | hmm |
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| 17:32.35 | tremon | but obviously, if gnome has too many dependencies that you don't want to mark as manual, you might need to do things manually |
| 17:33.15 | centrx | bullgard4, It may be a part of X that is just not used much anymore? |
| 17:33.16 | tremon | I mean inspect the list of package dependencies manually, and unmarkauto them explicitly |
| 17:33.23 | Imbue | would it be sufficient to delete all libraries from the autoremove list, and then manually go through the rest? |
| 17:33.28 | Imbue | that would cut it down to 100 or less I think |
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| 17:34.09 | bullgard4 | centrx: This may be true. I will try to investigate further. - Thank you. |
| 17:35.33 | Imbue | another related question, if I run apt-get purge, it will remove a package and its' configuration files |
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| 17:36.09 | Imbue | however. if I run apt-get remove, are there any other commands that might 'accidentally' purge my uninstalled packages? |
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| 17:36.35 | Imbue | if not, it seems I could just let autoremove do its' business and actually manually re-install them |
| 17:36.37 | cyzz | autoremove |
| 17:36.45 | Imbue | hmm ok |
| 17:37.13 | tremon | remove and autoremove don't purge, although there might be an apt option that alters that |
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| 17:37.24 | johnakabean | blacklist i2c_piix4 there's no modprobe.d/blacklist.conf but there's a fbdev-blacklist.conf - can I add this here and have same modules ignored on boot? |
| 17:37.29 | cyzz | autoclean 4 old stuff |
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| 17:39.18 | Imbue | hmm, i may just leave this alone and remove them from main menu. I suppose there's no real penalty to leaving the packages there. |
| 17:39.33 | Imbue | less chance of monumentally screwing my system. |
| 17:39.58 | cyzz | :) |
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| 17:41.44 | tremon | Imbue: I just tried here, and ~Rgnome matches way too many packages due to the package name interpreted as a regex. You might start with '~R^gnome$!~slibs' and manually edit the list from there. |
| 17:42.14 | cyzz | its possible to resize encrypted partitions inside the encrypted system |
| 17:42.55 | cyzz | is it* |
| 17:42.59 | cyzz | ? |
| 17:44.01 | tremon | cyzz: generally, not while the system is running. Manually resizing partitions is already a very hairy process, I wouldn't look forward to doing it with an encryption layer in between |
| 17:44.17 | tremon | but yes, it is possible |
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| 17:44.51 | Ormu | what package (exact name) should i remove if i want to get rid of gnome desktop? |
| 17:45.05 | cyzz | tremon: ty |
| 17:45.10 | mallxs | where can i set my default editor in gnome ? |
| 17:45.24 | centrx | Ormu, There are several gnome packages |
| 17:45.36 | johnakabean | huh "alias: command not found" |
| 17:45.59 | centrx | Ormu, gnome-core is the core of it |
| 17:46.03 | tremon | Ormu: depends on how you installed it. |
| 17:46.05 | cyzz | mallxs: gnome-tweak-tool |
| 17:46.13 | johnakabean | whats the package for alias? |
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| 17:46.20 | jmd | johnakabean: bash |
| 17:46.22 | Ormu | installed as default desktop, i'm going to switch to icewm now |
| 17:46.25 | tremon | johnakabean: bash, zsh, name your pick |
| 17:46.29 | johnakabean | I just did apt-cache search alias and see nothing im looking for |
| 17:46.46 | tremon | johnakabean: are you running /bin/sh as your shell? |
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| 17:46.57 | johnakabean | bash is already the newest version. |
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| 17:47.11 | abrotman | johnakabean: echo $0 |
| 17:47.37 | johnakabean | -bash |
| 17:48.34 | cyzz | mallxs: sry, look into settings -> details |
| 17:48.39 | ectospasm | I'm trying to use wheezy as a router. If I stick to just wired, it works fine. If I try to bridge my LAN and WLAN interfaces, connections on the LAN stop working. It's unclear how I should configure the LAN interface (eth1) in /etc/network/interfaces. I'm using hostapd to add WLAN (wlan0) to the bridge (br0). I don't know if it's a problem with the bridge or my iptables rules. I've pasted my |
| 17:48.40 | johnakabean | yeah i know i can edit the aliases file in ~ but why when i could use alias :( |
| 17:48.41 | ectospasm | /etc/network/interfaces configuration (with br0 and wlan0 commented out), pasted /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf, and my iptables rules: http://paste.debian.net/80886/ |
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| 17:49.37 | tremon | johnakabean: the aliases file and the command alias share nothing except their name |
| 17:49.51 | johnakabean | rc whatever |
| 17:50.10 | johnakabean | wherever in home directory that PATH and etc is stored |
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| 17:50.22 | jmd | tremon: Next he'll try booting his core files with coreboot. |
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| 17:50.57 | tremon | that would be interesting :) |
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| 17:51.10 | johnakabean | jmd yeah and you'll still be trolling people to make up for something in life |
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| 17:52.41 | mrdeb | so is gnome-screenshot broken in 7? |
| 17:53.38 | Ormu | centrx: tremon: looks like apt-get purge gnome* should do what i want... let's see how much stuff is broken after it :D |
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| 17:53.59 | johnakabean | ormu you should be able to uninstall package GROUPS |
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| 17:54.20 | tremon | hopes there are no files starting with gnome in ormu's pwd |
| 17:54.36 | mtn | mrdeb: no |
| 17:54.49 | mrdeb | it crashes and doesnt save screenshots |
| 17:54.53 | Ormu | johnakabean: which groups should i remove then? |
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| 17:55.00 | mtn | mrdeb: not for me |
| 17:55.12 | mrdeb | then what did u do |
| 17:55.23 | mrdeb | dconf editor directory isnt honored |
| 17:55.30 | mtn | mrdeb: nothing, worked fine from the start. on several computers |
| 17:55.31 | mrdeb | alt+prt screen crashes x |
| 17:55.36 | mrdeb | what is wrong |
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| 17:56.50 | mrdeb | fine |
| 17:58.26 | Ormu | looks like i need a new login manager after running this... |
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| 18:06.28 | ted20 | Chromium use a proxy dns with -proxy option? |
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| 18:07.49 | Ormu | let's try lightdm... |
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| 18:09.08 | Imbue | lol, all of this hassle |
| 18:09.17 | Imbue | I hadn't realised you could just uncheck menu items rather than removing them |
| 18:09.25 | Imbue | facepalm |
| 18:09.47 | mallxs | cyzz: i was already looking for that package,... :-) |
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| 18:15.44 | Nick___ | secrets d'état & co ( révélations, etc ), faites tourner .. http://morganroulleau.wordpress.com ( on s'en branle que vous compreniez pas, au pire ça viendra plus tard ( .. )) ( La NSA approuve ce message. ) ( méway, sans doute, ils m'aiment. ) |
| 18:15.47 | Nick___ | GL HF |
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| 18:18.00 | mrdeb | hi. when will debian iso 7.4 be on website today, i need hour |
| 18:18.03 | mrdeb | thank you! |
| 18:18.06 | lanodan | Hi ! Is there a way to force install(ignore dependencies) with dpkg or fake a package |
| 18:18.29 | mtn | mrdeb: you have got to be kidding |
| 18:18.37 | mrdeb | what do you mean |
| 18:18.45 | tremon | !tell lanodan -about equivs |
| 18:18.55 | mtn | mrdeb: you are demanding the hour? we don't know. why would we? |
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| 18:18.56 | abrotman | mrdeb: Why do you need it? |
| 18:19.01 | mrdeb | it is scheduled for today and it already give you 7.4 in name when you update. but i need iso 7.4 to go dl. it is not up on website yet for http |
| 18:19.05 | abrotman | mrdeb: Why do you need it? |
| 18:19.15 | mrdeb | i would like to know it, bec i have to drive to dl it |
| 18:19.16 | abrotman | mrdeb: Do'nt you already have Debian installed? |
| 18:19.21 | lanodan | tremon: okay I think this will do it |
| 18:19.22 | abrotman | mrdeb: WHY? |
| 18:19.22 | mrdeb | yes but i need newest iso |
| 18:19.29 | abrotman | No, you don't |
| 18:19.32 | mrdeb | i just need to know when it will be out |
| 18:19.32 | mtn | wonders why, too |
| 18:19.38 | mrdeb | can you tell me please or who knows |
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| 18:19.42 | abrotman | mrdeb: A couple of weeks |
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| 18:20.03 | mrdeb | no, it says today |
| 18:20.04 | mrdeb | https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2014/01/msg00117.html |
| 18:20.12 | abrotman | mrdeb: Then I guess you'll just have to wait |
| 18:20.13 | mrdeb | and it is out todaybec it already says 7.4 in task manager |
| 18:20.20 | johnakabean | Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 cryptsetup: WARNING: target sdc1_crypt has a random key, skipped this is fine, right? since I have an encrypted swap thats randomly generated? |
| 18:20.20 | mrdeb | but not full iso |
| 18:20.21 | abrotman | mrdeb: and why do you need the ISO today? |
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| 18:20.45 | mrdeb | so i can dl it and get lists only today, so there will be no upgrades when i do it offline |
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| 18:20.57 | abrotman | mrdeb: do the updates now, while you're online? |
| 18:21.03 | mrdeb | yes for reinstall |
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| 18:21.14 | johnakabean | mrdeb i had updates waiting when i logged into gnome |
| 18:21.16 | mrdeb | i keep all lists and deb files on usb stick for offline reinstall cleanly |
| 18:21.18 | abrotman | has no desire to continue speaking to mrdeb |
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| 18:21.27 | mrdeb | i do perfect installs offline |
| 18:21.38 | mrdeb | all i need to know is when the iso will be up |
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| 18:21.43 | abrotman | NO ONE KNOWS |
| 18:21.48 | abrotman | yu've been told numerous times |
| 18:21.49 | mrdeb | who uploads it |
| 18:21.49 | johnakabean | so do you want me to make an iso of wheezy with the updates and upload it for you? sheesh |
| 18:21.51 | mrdeb | and changes that page |
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| 18:22.04 | johnakabean | or vdd |
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| 18:22.05 | abrotman | mrdeb: No one knows when the ISO will be up, you'll have to wait like everyone else |
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| 18:22.21 | johnakabean | Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 cryptsetup: WARNING: target sdc1_crypt has a random key, skipped this is fine, right? since I have an encrypted swap thats randomly generated? |
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| 18:22.42 | tremon | if sdc1 is your swap partition, then yes |
| 18:22.51 | johnakabean | ty |
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| 18:26.46 | n-st | what's the recommended way to create a backup user that can read everything in a certain directory regardless of its permissions? |
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| 18:27.53 | centrx | n-st, root |
| 18:28.15 | c3ntuntu | hello can someone PLEASE tell me how to open a graphical remote client console ... firefox just always asks to download console.vv |
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| 18:28.20 | c3ntuntu | in ovirt |
| 18:28.22 | morrrrrgan | secrets d'état & co ( révélations, etc ), faites tourner .. http://morganroulleau.wordpress.com ( on s'en branle que vous compreniez pas, au pire ça viendra plus tard ( .. )) ( La NSA approuve ce message. ) ( méway, sans doute, ils m'aiment. ) |
| 18:28.25 | morrrrrgan | GL HF |
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| 18:28.48 | n-st | centrx: that's sounds rather insecure... what if my backup script runs amok or the backup server gets compromised? |
| 18:29.05 | centrx | oh that's what you mean by backup user |
| 18:29.14 | abrotman | c3ntuntu: There is no Firefox in Debian |
| 18:29.20 | dephased | dear debian folks :), i got a simple problem: hibernate from menu is not working (ending up in locked session) while pm-hibernate from console does. |
| 18:29.47 | centrx | n-st, Set the permission on the directory, use group permissions |
| 18:30.19 | centrx | n-st, There is no magical user that can read directories it does not have access to, except the superuser... |
| 18:30.33 | centrx | n-st, If you can't control the permissions on the directory, how will you control whether it even exists? |
| 18:30.34 | tremon | n-st: the only way you can do that with regular permissions is to use the setgid bit, and make all your users and the backup user member of that group. But your backup will have the exact same permissions as your users |
| 18:30.38 | c3ntuntu | iceweasel i mean .. |
| 18:30.49 | n-st | centrx: can i do something with acls so i won't have to chown :rbackup -R /var/cache/rsnapshot? |
| 18:30.51 | c3ntuntu | but i could be installed |
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| 18:31.10 | abrotman | c3ntuntu: Which versoin of Linux is this? |
| 18:31.49 | centrx | n-st, You can use ACLs, just seems like overkill |
| 18:32.27 | c3ntuntu | its wheezy ... but same trouble on precious and centos 6.5 / fedora |
| 18:32.35 | n-st | centrx: can they override sub-directory permissions (without reapplying them everything new subdirs are created)? |
| 18:32.46 | c3ntuntu | just cant find any informations out there |
| 18:33.21 | abrotman | it sounds like you don't have a plugin to handle the application .. might want to start there |
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| 18:35.52 | NeilHanlon | nabblet|afk: I'm not actually a bot. |
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| 18:36.19 | tremon | ah, a Turing challenge |
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| 18:37.32 | johnakabean | cool; thanks for letting me know to get 'alias' 'command' to work, I had to create .bash_aliases, which I've put in /etc/skel for new users created *sigh* |
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| 18:37.43 | NeilHanlon | tremon: indeed it is. :p |
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| 18:39.10 | c3ntuntu | @abrotman i already guessed that something is missing ;) |
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| 18:41.13 | abrotman | Okay |
| 18:41.16 | Ormu | hmm |
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| 18:41.41 | Ormu | gnome removed, idle memory usage when 1 user is in using icewm is about 39MB... not bad i think |
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| 18:45.34 | Ormu | hm now it's 29MB... |
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| 18:46.15 | Ormu | logged out, 30MB... |
| 18:46.43 | tremon | my iceweasel with 3 tabs is already consuming 10x that. At some point optimizing loses its effect |
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| 18:48.33 | Ormu | :D |
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| 18:52.20 | vipconsult | I am trying to compile php from source but it requires stdint.h which seems to be missing wiht the gcc compiler that I installed with apt-get . This is wheezy. Is there any way to install this header file sommehow ? |
| 18:52.34 | abrotman | dpkg: tell vipconsult about apt-file |
| 18:52.40 | tremon | libc6-dev installed? |
| 18:53.15 | vipconsult | yes |
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| 18:55.18 | tremon | so, what's the output of `file /usr/include/stdint.h` ? |
| 18:55.20 | centrx | vipconsult, apt-get install build-essential ? |
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| 18:55.34 | vipconsult | one sec |
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| 18:57.28 | vipconsult | yes build-essential installed , now trying with this apt-file tool |
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| 18:58.05 | jhutchins | isn't there a "build-dep" install for any given package? |
| 18:58.16 | centrx | jhutchins, Good call |
| 18:58.31 | vipconsult | tremon : you are right the file does exist , so mabe the php make is broken |
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| 18:58.48 | tremon | of course, but if libc6-dev is installed and stdint.h still can't be found, there must be something else wrong with the build environment |
| 18:59.22 | jhutchins | vipconsult: Was there a "configure" script? |
| 18:59.28 | vipconsult | yes |
| 18:59.35 | vipconsult | the configure completes fine |
| 18:59.43 | centrx | There are multiple stdint.h installed by different dev packages in different places |
| 18:59.47 | vipconsult | I have installed all required packages |
| 18:59.49 | jhutchins | vipconsult: That's what's suposed to locate required files. |
| 18:59.52 | bullgard4 | dephased: Please analyze the pm-powersave.log |
| 19:00.15 | centrx | libgcc-4.8-dev and libstdc++-4.8-dev also have an stdint.h |
| 19:00.22 | bullgard4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.27 | tremon | vipconsult: as others have said, the canonical way to get your build environment setup correctly is to just apt-get build-dep php. But you may have other issues when even such standard headers can't be found |
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| 19:02.02 | vipconsult | I am not familiar with build-dep , will read about it now. Basically I downloaded via git installed all required packages and run make , |
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| 19:02.20 | vipconsult | it worked fine so far with any other package |
| 19:02.49 | tremon | vipconsult: did you compile and install a local gcc too? |
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| 19:03.12 | vipconsult | no : apt-get install gcc |
| 19:03.24 | tremon | ok, just checking |
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| 19:05.13 | vipconsult | any dependancy lib was installed thourgh apt-get , I want to isntall php psql and nginx from source only. The other 2 succeded no problems |
| 19:05.19 | vipconsult | just php is stubborn |
| 19:05.53 | nkuttler | how did you install anything from source without knowing about build-dep? |
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| 19:06.24 | vipconsult | wow apt-get build-dep php5 , want's to install 300mb of dependancies. is this normal ? since I already installed another 20-30 libs for it. |
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| 19:07.25 | nkuttler | vipconsult: that's why building from source isn't really encouraged |
| 19:07.33 | vipconsult | nkuttler : is that a crime :) . basically download via git , read the dependancyes requirmenets and instal them using apt-get. Each packages lists the requirements |
| 19:07.49 | nkuttler | !tell vipconsult about package recompile |
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| 19:08.30 | vipconsult | nkuttler : I wanted to learn the hard way . |
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| 19:09.32 | tremon | vipconsult: programs like php many optional components that may or may not get built, depending on which libraries are available at build time. Debian tends to build with all options enabled |
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| 19:10.23 | vipconsult | yes , I know that I have selected the options I need. |
| 19:10.39 | vipconsult | thankt for the build-deb tip , very useful |
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| 19:11.32 | no_gravity | Good Evening! |
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| 19:11.40 | martianixor | hi |
| 19:12.03 | no_gravity | There was a critical security hole in the adobe flash player some days ago. How can one check if iceweasel is safe? |
| 19:12.14 | abrotman | no_gravity: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 19:12.44 | no_gravity | abrotman: what will that do? |
| 19:12.49 | abrotman | read the man page |
| 19:13.14 | no_gravity | abrotman: apt-get update will not take care of it? |
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| 19:14.49 | centrx | no_gravity, The flash plugin is merely downloaded from Adobe by the empty shell that is the non-free Debian package flashplugin. |
| 19:15.18 | no_gravity | centrx: sounds like a dangerous way to go about it. how many people will update it? 0.1%? |
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| 19:15.51 | centrx | no_gravity, It is non-free. Adobe probably provides no other option. |
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| 19:16.05 | centrx | no_gravity, I would recommend not using Flash at all. Flash is notoriously insecure. |
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| 19:16.40 | no_gravity | centrx: breathing is insecure too. but whats the alternative? |
| 19:17.06 | centrx | no_gravity, If all you use it for is Youtube and other video sites, use youtube-dl |
| 19:17.23 | no_gravity | centrx: well, i updated and keep my fingers crossed. |
| 19:17.30 | centrx | no_gravity, There is also an alternative, free Flash called gnash, which I have never had much success with but may be better now. |
| 19:17.48 | no_gravity | centrx: but that means about every debian user is having a security hole now that websites can exploit. |
| 19:18.08 | centrx | no_gravity, It means every Flash user has a security hole |
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| 19:18.41 | no_gravity | centrx: you mean *no* os autoupdates the flash player? hard to imagine. |
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| 19:19.46 | centrx | no_gravity, Flash is not as common among Debian users as you might think |
| 19:20.48 | no_gravity | centrx: maybe. but somehow i think the os should keep safe everything it provides. |
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| 19:21.05 | no_gravity | i asked in #ubuntu and they say it autoupdated. |
| 19:21.17 | centrx | no_gravity, It is non-free |
| 19:21.27 | neglesaks | gnash is an alternative, yes, but does poorly for youtube video generally. there is something called swf-dec, but I have no exprience with that myself. |
| 19:21.37 | neglesaks | then there is Chronium with its own flash player. |
| 19:21.40 | abrotman | no_gravity: This isn't Ubuntu we're talking about. I'm not sure why you think that's important ? |
| 19:21.46 | neglesaks | and Mozilla has its own alternative on the way as well |
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| 19:22.00 | no_gravity | abrotman: centrx said every flash user has a security hole in his machine now. |
| 19:22.12 | abrotman | no_gravity: that's not true, I updated a few days ago |
| 19:22.33 | abrotman | no_gravity: side note, you can place a script in /etc/cron.daily/ or whichever that runs that command for you and installs newer flash |
| 19:22.42 | no_gravity | abrotman: well, my point is - what comes with the os should be updated by the os. |
| 19:22.59 | no_gravity | i *think |
| 19:23.05 | abrotman | no_gravity: What comes with your OS should also be open source .. we can't all have our dreams answered :) |
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| 19:23.21 | no_gravity | i *think* my flashplayer came with debian. i cant really remember if i had to do something to make it work. |
| 19:23.21 | abrotman | no_gravity: please, file a bug agains the package |
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| 19:23.57 | no_gravity | abrotman: nah, i just complain :) |
| 19:24.10 | abrotman | no_gravity: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=732734 |
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| 19:25.15 | no_gravity | abrotman: aha |
| 19:26.08 | no_gravity | abrotman: #ubuntu said they do exactly that. if the version number of the flash plugin is increased, it always re-downloads. |
| 19:26.38 | abrotman | no_gravity: Okay, still not relevant to Debian |
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| 19:26.44 | san-----23232 | If I have a intel core 2 quad q6600 @ 2.40ghz cpu how many threads is that? I need this for a games launch command thanks :P |
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| 19:26.59 | abrotman | san-----23232: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:27.03 | san-----23232 | thanks |
| 19:27.19 | neglesaks | san-----23232, 4 i think, but as abrotman said |
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| 19:27.44 | san-----23232 | so each core is capable of 1 thread? |
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| 19:28.33 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 19:28.35 | neglesaks | yes, its not until the Core iX series they added hyperthreading to SOME CPUs |
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| 19:29.08 | san-----23232 | yeah the intel ebsite says no hyperthreading =[ |
| 19:29.25 | dvs | neglesaks: and even those threads are simulated. |
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| 19:29.34 | neglesaks | really? :( |
| 19:29.45 | abrotman | that's what HT is |
| 19:30.15 | neglesaks | yes. its essentially a somewhat more efficient use of the available execution units inside the CPU |
| 19:30.19 | dvs | neglesaks: yeah, HT has to be coded in a particular way to get multithreading-like experience |
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| 19:31.24 | nixfox | yo |
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| 19:32.03 | dvs | nes |
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| 19:38.54 | martianixor | first of all notify me if it's not the appropriate channel, I'm trying to find where the default network settings of lxc AKA Linux containers are on my Jessie, /etc/lxc/lxc.conf does NOT have it |
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| 19:41.08 | martianixor | It does not exist in the file lxc.conf, anyone tried lxc can help me out? |
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| 19:42.20 | martianixor | there's a file /etc/lxc/default.conf with only "lxc.network.type = empty" |
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| 19:44.33 | martianixor | when I start the default network via virsh I get some settings and an interface virbr0 comes up with certain settings, that I'm trying to find where it came from |
| 19:45.05 | martianixor | is that stated in some xml file somewhere? |
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| 19:46.30 | mrdeb | ok |
| 19:46.37 | mrdeb | so i understand that wheezy-updates go into wheezy earlier, is that it |
| 19:46.52 | mrdeb | so if u dont have wheez-updates in sources, it is just delayed until point release. is that it |
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| 19:47.16 | martianixor | ok found it it's in /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/default.xml |
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| 19:49.11 | vipconsult | is anyone familiar with nfs ? i have this weird problem that I still can;t solve http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1192812.html . The map exection seems broken as even a simple echo "backuppc -fstype=auto :/dev/sda1" give error in the logs nas automount[3673]: validate_location: invalid character " " |
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| 19:50.01 | vipconsult | I tried escaping and many other things , but couldn't solve it. |
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| 19:50.35 | mrdeb | vipconsult: what |
| 19:51.02 | martianixor | vipconsult: looks like there's an extra "space" somewhere? not sure just a guess from the error message |
| 19:51.42 | vipconsult | yes , it lookks like it , but I tried escaping removing spaces ect , nothing worked. the same thing as a normal file mount the partition fine. |
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| 19:52.41 | vipconsult | can anyone try to replicate with debian wheezy ? |
| 19:53.10 | mrdeb | replicate what |
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| 19:53.38 | vipconsult | if it is me doing somehting wrogn ot autofs is really broken ? |
| 19:53.58 | vipconsult | just: |
| 19:54.00 | vipconsult | auto.master: /home /etc/auto.removable --timeout=30 |
| 19:54.08 | vipconsult | auto.removable #!/bin/bash echo "backuppc -fstype=auto :/dev/sda1" |
| 19:54.10 | mrdeb | i dont know what that is at all |
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| 19:54.18 | mrdeb | you cant mount? |
| 19:54.27 | vipconsult | autofs is mount on demand |
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| 19:54.44 | mrdeb | hmm i use udisks |
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| 19:56.03 | Shar | mfvx (~kshrc@E92BFBBF.4559B086.D0E5C631.IP) has Joined #debian |
| 19:56.22 | mrdeb | i have to go cry now to relax bbl |
| 19:56.25 | vipconsult | does it support usb hdds that aren't plugged in all the time ? |
| 19:56.33 | mrdeb | yes |
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| 19:57.14 | abrotman | Shar: you can msg me to get your +q removed whne you turn off that script |
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| 19:59.01 | vipconsult | I need to autmount a luks crypted drive , thanks I will read about it. |
| 19:59.23 | martianixor | abrotman: may be s/he is NOT even aware? |
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| 20:01.05 | abrotman | martianixor: Not my problem, learn how to control your IRC client. |
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| 20:08.28 | plouf | Hi, is there a way to install SDL_mixer ? (im on debian wheezy) |
| 20:09.17 | abrotman | plouf: apt-cache search libsdl mixer |
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| 20:17.48 | jhutchins | plouf: gnome3? |
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| 20:22.35 | plouf | abrotman: thanks, worked! |
| 20:23.41 | pythonsnake | hey anyone using runit here? |
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| 20:38.26 | CsCs | hi guys! |
| 20:39.32 | CsCs | Why the debian setup files is big than other platforms? |
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| 20:40.47 | centrx | CsCs, What setup files? How are they bigger? |
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| 20:42.19 | CsCs | debian-7.3.0-amd64-DVD-1 , 2 ,3 |
| 20:42.21 | MrFrood | CsCs: you only need c/dvd1 to install and if that is to big there is the netinstall image |
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| 20:42.44 | MrFrood | er cd1/dvd1 |
| 20:43.08 | pablobernardo | buenas tardes a tod@s |
| 20:43.34 | centrx | CsCs, Those DVDs provide thousands of different applications. You do not need them all. |
| 20:43.42 | CsCs | Hımm, you should give a information via web page about that ;) |
| 20:44.10 | CsCs | MrFrood , centrx : Thank you |
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| 20:44.39 | MrFrood | CsCs: the other cd/dvd's contain all the stuff in the repository just in case you need to do offline setup |
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| 20:47.04 | CsCs | The Web page doesn't have information about that ;) you can check that ( https://www.debian.org/distrib/ ) ;) |
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| 20:48.44 | jhutchins | CsCs: Yes, there should be better information on what's on the isos. So far, nobody has volunteered to index and describe them. |
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| 20:49.30 | jhutchins | CsCs: I've tried to get better info from the people who put them together, but they feel that putting them together in the first place is enough to ask of them. |
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| 20:50.00 | Kitt3n | How do I boot Debian liveCD in UEFI mode? |
| 20:50.03 | biffbaxter | If you have a decent internet connection I just use the mini iso so I can build exactly what I want |
| 20:50.11 | jhutchins | CsCs: ... so until someone comes along and volunteers ... |
| 20:50.27 | jhutchins | !efi |
| 20:50.27 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 20:50.45 | Kitt3n | That doesn't help at all. |
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| 20:51.08 | jhutchins | Kitt3n: I believe there's some info in the errata about it. |
| 20:51.21 | Kitt3n | When I try to boot my USB liveCD without CSM, it just says it can't boot at all |
| 20:51.44 | Kitt3n | If I use MBR and CSM it crashes when trying to install grub-pc |
| 20:51.58 | abrotman | boot isn't the same as install .. |
| 20:52.24 | Kitt3n | True. |
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| 20:53.53 | jhutchins | Kitt3n: Is the md5 of the iso good? How about the CD? |
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| 20:54.17 | CsCs | jhutchins: I see, I can voluntary but I haven't information about debian os :) :) That's great, right ? :D |
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| 20:54.30 | Kitt3n | The liveCD boots up normally when I try to boot in bios mode. |
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| 20:57.35 | ectospasm | I'm trying to set up a Debian router, using wheezy. It has a WAN connection (eth0), a LAN connection (eth1), and a WLAN connection (wlan0). If I leave out the WLAN, everything is good, at least two wired clients can access the Internet. When I try to add eth1 to a bridge (br0), the LAN clients are no longer able to connect and I need help figuring out why. |
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| 20:58.15 | ectospasm | I figure I should get br0 working before I try to add wlan0 to the mix. |
| 20:58.27 | jhutchins | ectospasm: What are you using as a guide? |
| 20:58.31 | Kitt3n | jhutchins, the thing about the liveCD is..there's no EFI folder with the EFI files |
| 20:58.48 | Kitt3n | I don't understand how it can boot in UEFI mode without those |
| 20:59.36 | ectospasm | jhutchins: I've followed several, including these: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-linux-setting-wireless-access-point/ |
| 20:59.55 | ectospasm | none of them describe exactly how to do what I want |
| 20:59.57 | abrotman | why would you want to bridge them? |
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| 21:00.44 | ectospasm | ideally I don't want to give wlan0 an IP address, so WLAN clients can access the LAN with little or no extra configuration |
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| 21:01.04 | ectospasm | maybe that's where I'm failing. |
| 21:01.29 | ectospasm | and all the instructions I'm finding for hostapd set up a bridge |
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| 21:04.55 | jhutchins | Kitt3n: Theoretically an EFI system can use the HD EFI folder for more than one boot system, so it can boot Windows, a CD, or Linux. |
| 21:05.44 | Kitt3n | Hmm..that doesn't seem to work with Phoenix SecureCore Tiano.. |
| 21:05.59 | jhutchins | ectospasm: I have used this to build routers: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 21:06.10 | jhutchins | ectospasm: It's not real current, but it might help. |
| 21:06.54 | jhutchins | ectospasm: No problem with wlan0 having an IP, that's what you'd have with a stand-alone AP. |
| 21:07.22 | Kitt3n | jhutchins, WELL. I downloaded an unofficial EFI iso, it boots up in EFI mode |
| 21:08.01 | jhutchins | Kitt3n: w00t! |
| 21:08.25 | jhutchins | Kitt3n: EFI support is still very much work in progress, and documentation always lags. |
| 21:09.04 | Kitt3n | jhutchins, there's also the matter of grub-efi magically breaking too |
| 21:09.59 | jhutchins | Kitt3n: On the other hand, I worked with Mac Minis and EFI back in 2007-8 and it worked. |
| 21:11.21 | Kitt3n | jhutchins, the current normal images don't even HAVE efi utilites and the grub-efi bootloader for some reason |
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| 21:13.30 | jhutchins | Kitt3n: Like I said, work in progress. |
| 21:14.04 | jhutchins | Kitt3n: Part of the secret is getting enough of the guys who put the images together on new systems with EFI so THEY need it. |
| 21:14.46 | Kitt3n | Most guys don't need it as CSM works 100% |
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| 21:15.08 | Kitt3n | SecureCode Tiano just seems MEH about letting that work |
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| 21:16.43 | Kitt3n | Or perhaps my Fujitsu laptop is to blame |
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| 21:19.12 | CsCs | I downloaded to debian-7.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
| 21:20.00 | CsCs | and I tried to install on virtualbox but it didn't work. ?? |
| 21:20.26 | Kitt3n | I tried that one too, it didn't work, try one of the liveCDs with desktop environments preinstalled |
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| 21:21.26 | CsCs | wtf ? |
| 21:22.17 | Kitt3n | ? |
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| 21:23.18 | jhutchins | CsCs: That is a torrent file that links to the torrent streams that have the actual iso. You need to load that into a bittorrent client in order to download the actual iso. |
| 21:23.30 | Kitt3n | uhhhh. |
| 21:23.37 | jhutchins | CsCs: Or just download the iso. The netinst is smaller if you have a slow link. |
| 21:23.53 | biffbaxter | If you have a decent internet connection and menu's dont scare you, use the mini iso its easy and small |
| 21:24.50 | biffbaxter | 7.4 update was just released today |
| 21:24.51 | Kitt3n | Easy? How do you get the wifi firmware up and running? |
| 21:24.58 | dvs | ??? |
| 21:25.17 | CsCs | I downloaded to iso file via bittorrent ;) |
| 21:25.40 | CsCs | I will try to Vmware |
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| 21:27.14 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 21:27.14 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 21:27.21 | jhutchins | Kitt3n: What chipset? |
| 21:27.28 | Kitt3n | 2030 |
| 21:27.34 | CsCs | In the meantime, the netinst does not work. |
| 21:27.50 | Kitt3n | I can't find the 2030-5.ucode file, only the -6 one, do I need both or? |
| 21:27.58 | biffbaxter | most deb live distros dont have the wireless bits and pieces until after install..so start with wired if you can |
| 21:28.31 | jhutchins | Kitt3n: Full name of chipset please. |
| 21:29.22 | Kitt3n | Intel Wireless 2230 firmware, version 18.168.6.1 (iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode) |
| 21:31.19 | Kitt3n | FINALLY, it's at least installing |
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| 22:04.11 | Firefly42_ | hi |
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| 22:04.39 | Firefly42_ | how can i check whether the settings that i changed in /etc/sysctl.conf are active? |
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| 22:07.36 | xand | Firefly42_: sysctl -a but they won't be unless you rebooted or ran sysctl -p |
| 22:08.37 | Firefly42_ | oh my gosh does that chew up a lot of settings |
| 22:09.53 | Firefly42_ | and do you still have to load the ip_conntrack module for the kernel on debian 7.0? |
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| 22:16.10 | Kitt3n | Where can you get iwlist? |
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| 22:17.36 | Firefly42_ | Kitt3n: install apt-file and update it. then you can search for things like that |
| 22:18.08 | Kitt3n | Problem; no ethernet port and wireless is currently very broken |
| 22:18.18 | Firefly42_ | you can search aswell on packages.debian.org |
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| 22:18.29 | xand | Kitt3n: wireless-tools |
| 22:18.31 | xand | >.> |
| 22:18.54 | Kitt3n | yay, thanks |
| 22:21.46 | Kitt3n | I thought that was part of the 'core' packages? |
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| 22:24.16 | xand | core? |
| 22:24.33 | Kitt3n | Debian netinst :P |
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| 22:26.28 | xand | no then |
| 22:26.38 | xand | maybe the "laptop" option in tasksel |
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| 22:26.58 | ectospasm | OK, I've made progress. I stopped trying to bridge eth1 and wlan0... now hostapd is seeing traffic, and dnsmasq is offering an address... but neither of my two wifi devices seem to get or accept that offer |
| 22:30.03 | biffbaxter | yep desktop or laptop installation but not netinst or mini by default in my exp |
| 22:30.32 | muah | hello, i have some weird problem with virtualbox, every time i run a virtual machine x crashes. i migrated my hdd to a different pc without reinstalling, so probably that's the reason, i've already tried to reinstall vbox but that didnt fix the problem, does anyone have an idea of how to fix this? |
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| 22:37.32 | jhutchins | muah: Debian is the host? What release? vbox installed from Debian? What guest? |
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| 22:39.10 | muah | jhutchins: freshy made windows guest, debian jessie host, latest vbox from repos |
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| 22:42.51 | An_Ony_Moose | how do I go about installing firmware for a BCM4322 wireless chip without an internet connection? |
| 22:43.17 | jhutchins | An_Ony_Moose: USB? Floppy? |
| 22:43.27 | nullfaith | An_Ony_Moose: Throw it onto a usb or cd with another device. |
| 22:43.31 | xmj | butterflies |
| 22:44.03 | An_Ony_Moose | jhutchins nullfaith: but what exactly do I throw on there? and where do I get it? |
| 22:44.20 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 22:44.21 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 22:44.53 | jhutchins | !bcm4322 |
| 22:44.54 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4322 (PCI IDs 14e4:432b, 14e4:432c, 14e4:432d) - incorrectly identified as BCM432B, BCM432C or BCM432D by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is a draft 802.11n wireless LAN chip. Supported by the <b43> driver since Linux 2.6.38. Alternatively supported by the <wl> driver. Not to be confused with the <bcm43224> or <bcm43225>. |
| 22:45.23 | jhutchins | An_Ony_Moose: Doesn't mention firmware. |
| 22:45.42 | jhutchins | An_Ony_Moose: Are you getting firmware messages in dmesg? |
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| 22:46.49 | An_Ony_Moose | jhutchins: yep |
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| 22:47.27 | An_Ony_Moose | but the instructions the URL given there points me to assume internet access |
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| 22:48.17 | jhutchins | An_Ony_Moose: Which you have because you're on irc. |
| 22:48.24 | mrdeb | hi |
| 22:48.32 | An_Ony_Moose | yes but not on the machine in question :P |
| 22:48.45 | An_Ony_Moose | I'm sending this from my phone. |
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| 22:49.57 | jhutchins | An_Ony_Moose: Ah. Not easy to download things with phone. |
| 22:50.22 | An_Ony_Moose | aye. |
| 22:50.54 | An_Ony_Moose | well I can boot Mac OS and dump something on a partition/USB drive from there. |
| 22:51.10 | nullfaith | ... |
| 22:51.24 | An_Ony_Moose | but I don't know what to get. |
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| 22:51.48 | nullfaith | Maybe google debian firmware *your chipset* |
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| 22:52.40 | mrdeb | hi |
| 22:52.45 | An_Ony_Moose | I have, and everything I've been able to find uses apt-get |
| 22:52.51 | On_Any_Moose | An_Ony_Moose: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-bnx2 |
| 22:52.58 | mrdeb | how do u fix pnmixer mute box checkbox |
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| 22:53.10 | nullfaith | An_Ony_Moose: What is your chipset? |
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| 22:53.21 | nullfaith | I will give you the link. |
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| 22:53.44 | On_Any_Moose | nullfaith: bcm4322, firmware package above. |
| 22:54.14 | nullfaith | https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 22:54.25 | An_Ony_Moose | is it maybe possible to use a method similar to the one that netinst can do, have a device with a firmware directory containing the firmwares and to then install it from there? |
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| 22:54.42 | nullfaith | Why do you not just download it with Mac and put it on usb? |
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| 22:54.55 | On_Any_Moose | An_Ony_Moose: I suppose you already have it... |
| 22:55.02 | An_Ony_Moose | Firmware is not packaged by the Debian Project. It must be downloaded and extracted, which can be performed by the firmware-b43-installer, firmware-b43legacy-installer or firmware-b43-lpphy-installer packages during their installation. An Internet connection is required. |
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| 22:55.38 | An_Ony_Moose | nullfaith: because I don't know where to dowbload the actual firmware itself |
| 22:56.00 | On_Any_Moose | An_Ony_Moose: https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Location_of_the_firmwares |
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| 22:56.08 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, do you need the b43 firmware? |
| 22:56.15 | Jazayri | Hi, how about downloading the last debian update ? 7.4 |
| 22:56.33 | On_Any_Moose | An_Ony_Moose: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-bnx2 <- firmware for your card downloadable from Debian. |
| 22:56.34 | An_Ony_Moose | atari314: yes |
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| 22:57.02 | On_Any_Moose | An_Ony_Moose: However, if you already HAVE the firmware because you used it for the installer, see the link to the wiki which 'splains where to upt it. |
| 22:57.09 | An_Ony_Moose | On_Any_Moose: I don't think it's a broadcom netextreme |
| 22:57.15 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, I have it here, gimme a sec to upload it to you |
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| 22:57.41 | An_Ony_Moose | no, I used the installer CD1. |
| 22:58.13 | An_Ony_Moose | On_Any_Moose: I need the b43 firmware not bnx2 |
| 22:59.13 | An_Ony_Moose | atari314: great thanks. Do you know where I have to put it/how to load it once I have it? |
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| 23:00.08 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, asdqwe.com/b43.zip unzip in on your pendrive, it should be a b43 folder directly on the pendrive, inside all firmware needed during the install :) |
| 23:00.29 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, these broadcom wifis are a pain :/ |
| 23:00.38 | An_Ony_Moose | but I've already installed debian |
| 23:00.51 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, even better |
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| 23:01.06 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, just move the files inside to /lib/firmware/b43/ |
| 23:01.26 | On_Any_Moose | An_Ony_Moose: Sorry, that's as close as I could come with my searches. |
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| 23:03.53 | An_Ony_Moose | atari314 jhutchins thanks for the help, going to try now :) |
| 23:04.01 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, ^^ |
| 23:04.07 | jhutchins | An_Ony_Moose: Really, if you installed it, you have the firmware you used to install... |
| 23:04.42 | An_Ony_Moose | jhutchins: as I said I installed without an internet connection. completely from the VD |
| 23:04.45 | An_Ony_Moose | CD |
| 23:04.55 | jhutchins | An_Ony_Moose: Ah. |
| 23:05.04 | jhutchins | An_Ony_Moose: THere are ways to do that if you have the firmware file too. |
| 23:05.13 | jhutchins | An_Ony_Moose: Probably lots of stuff you'll want to install. |
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| 23:06.06 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, if you need wifi during the install, just create a b43/ folder inside a pendrive and place the firmware files inside, during the install it will ask if you want to load firmware, say yes (sometimes have to say yes twice), it should load 'em :) |
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| 23:06.36 | An_Ony_Moose | WOOOOOO IT WORKS |
| 23:06.48 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, cheers mate :D |
| 23:06.50 | An_Ony_Moose | Yes but I've already installed :P |
| 23:07.07 | An_Ony_Moose | well I haven't connected yet, but it is showing the networks |
| 23:07.27 | An_Ony_Moose | aaaaand I'm connected! |
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| 23:07.37 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, sweet :D |
| 23:07.43 | SparkCT1284 | Compared to Crunchbang, how much better is Debian? |
| 23:07.53 | An_Ony_Moose | Aaaaand I'm speaking to you from the computer now. |
| 23:08.02 | An_Ony_Moose | Thanks again for the help! |
| 23:08.41 | An_Ony_Moose | does apt-get update |
| 23:08.44 | An_Ony_Moose | feels good |
| 23:08.50 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, I'll remove the zip file from my server, ok? |
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| 23:09.09 | An_Ony_Moose | atari314: sure |
| 23:09.44 | SparkCT1284 | I'm running Crunchbang at the moment and want to upgrade. |
| 23:09.56 | SparkCT1284 | Just wondering if there is anything different besides the different WM |
| 23:10.19 | jhutchins | !crunchbang |
| 23:10.20 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 23:10.30 | abrotman | SparkCT1284: you get to ask support questions here, and you get a different WM and a few other things. |
| 23:10.44 | jhutchins | SparkCT1284: Most of us don't know much about Crunchbang since we run Debian. We like Debian. |
| 23:11.14 | SparkCT1284 | Ah, ok |
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| 23:11.29 | naper__ | hello |
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| 23:11.45 | jhutchins | SparkCT1284: Being a full installation rather than a live CD, Debian has the option of far more scope. ~30,000 packages. |
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| 23:15.21 | nixfox | hey guys I'm an ex arch user, switched to Debian some time ago due to stability, currently running Debian Jessie, the only thing I wanna change is |
| 23:15.39 | nixfox | the apt-get has no coloured packages or statuses |
| 23:15.41 | nixfox | like pacman |
| 23:15.51 | nixfox | is there a way to change that |
| 23:16.44 | abrotman | colored packages? |
| 23:16.51 | nixfox | well |
| 23:17.07 | nixfox | whenever you searched for packages with pacman the names and important info was colourized |
| 23:17.09 | blackjack | nixfox: is arch not that stable compared to debian? |
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| 23:17.28 | abrotman | nixfox: eh, maybe aptitude instead, but I don't think we have that .. |
| 23:17.30 | nixfox | as were the statuses or errors during installation |
| 23:17.32 | atari314 | nixfox, maybe this http://askubuntu.com/questions/104284/is-it-possible-to-color-code-the-output-of-apt ? |
| 23:18.25 | nixfox | blacjack well Arch is pretty damn stable, but not as much as debian no. |
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| 23:19.04 | codepython777 | systemd wins as the init system for #Debian Jessie - is that true? |
| 23:19.37 | atari314 | codepython777, afaik, they just started a 3rd vote, lol |
| 23:19.47 | nixfox | hmm atari314 that's a nice find, but not exactly what I'm looking for |
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| 23:20.12 | atari314 | codepython777, https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00281.html |
| 23:20.16 | atari314 | nixfox, :) |
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| 23:20.50 | nixfox | Hmm guess I have to edit apt myself |
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| 23:21.43 | blackjack | nixfox: but for desktop usage. Like chatting/ watching videos and listening songs for it. Which is a better desktop os, arch or debian? |
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| 23:23.05 | HicksD_ | Easiest is to just try both and see which feels nicer because all said, both are decent. |
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| 23:24.15 | nixfox | hehe I'm gonna go with arch |
| 23:24.21 | nixfox | if you've got the time however |
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| 23:24.44 | nixfox | it's not as user friendly as debian |
| 23:25.02 | HicksD_ | Don't know anything about the technical merits of systemd vs upstart, but from what i've read of the discussions, upstart needs a CLA which imo is a big black mark. |
| 23:25.02 | atari314 | blackjack, arch is pretty awesome actually, it's fast and it's dead simple to configure. The problem imho is the rolling release model, that makes it impossibly unstable... |
| 23:25.05 | mrdeb | for those things they are both good |
| 23:25.16 | mrdeb | only difference is arch is updated more often so things get fixed |
| 23:25.24 | mrdeb | if u have fast connection then use arch |
| 23:25.35 | abrotman | This is #debian .. |
| 23:25.41 | nixfox | well, depends a lot on preference and remember |
| 23:25.43 | mrdeb | yes nixfox asked |
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| 23:26.04 | nixfox | arch has a DIY psychology, so you need to be prepared to do a lot of stuff yourself. |
| 23:26.38 | nixfox | I asked if it's possible to get colorized output on the apt package manager in debian |
| 23:26.41 | nixfox | like Pacman has on arch |
| 23:26.44 | mrdeb | yes but dont talk about it here ok, bec abrotman gets upset |
| 23:26.59 | nixfox | where it will colour a successfull status green and a fail red, and important packages will be colorized |
| 23:27.04 | atari314 | nixfox, I actually find arch way easier to configure than debian, but again, it's unusable as long it's rolling release... :( |
| 23:27.20 | nixfox | aye |
| 23:27.25 | abrotman | mrdeb: You don't have to stay here, you can /part whenever you like. |
| 23:27.25 | mrdeb | what |
| 23:27.29 | mrdeb | it is very usable |
| 23:27.39 | mrdeb | ... |
| 23:27.43 | nixfox | let's not start this, every distro has it's pros and cons |
| 23:27.54 | atari314 | mrdeb, too many updates breaking random things :( |
| 23:27.54 | abrotman | And it's not something to be discussed in this channel |
| 23:28.01 | nixfox | oh shit.... |
| 23:28.08 | abrotman | please take the Arch conversation elsewhere, thank you. |
| 23:28.15 | mrdeb | that is what i said |
| 23:28.27 | abrotman | And then made further comments .. |
| 23:29.09 | nixfox | how did this turn into an arch convo, so any already made way of getting apt to behave something like pacman |
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| 23:30.31 | atari314 | nixfox, take a look at PacApt |
| 23:30.52 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:31.07 | nixfox | I did has no colorized output though not as far as I've seen |
| 23:31.10 | nixfox | could have missed something |
| 23:31.10 | rainfyre | Hi everyone, I'm having wireless connection issues and noticed that I"m running b43 and b43legacy both |
| 23:31.19 | abrotman | both? |
| 23:31.23 | rainfyre | yes! |
| 23:31.27 | rainfyre | how do I stop b43? |
| 23:31.36 | nixfox | why are you running both |
| 23:31.39 | rainfyre | I'm having impossible wifi connection issues |
| 23:31.42 | rainfyre | I have no idea |
| 23:31.51 | rainfyre | I don't mean to be running both |
| 23:31.57 | rainfyre | I only need b43legacy |
| 23:31.57 | abrotman | modprobe -r b32 |
| 23:32.02 | abrotman | uh. b43 |
| 23:32.02 | rainfyre | thank you |
| 23:32.06 | atari314 | nixfox, are you sure the colors from pacman are not actually defined on the bash .profile file? I believe they are :S |
| 23:32.23 | rainfyre | ha I did the same thing when I started typing it to you abrotman |
| 23:32.32 | rainfyre | how do I keep it from loading when I reboot |
| 23:32.36 | nixfox | naah only the prompt and what not |
| 23:32.40 | abrotman | rainfyre: you might actually need it |
| 23:32.51 | abrotman | rainfyre: it's possible b43 loads b43legacy when needed |
| 23:32.58 | rainfyre | oh oh ok |
| 23:33.01 | rainfyre | shoot |
| 23:33.03 | rainfyre | ok |
| 23:33.14 | rainfyre | I can't get an ip address when I try to connect to a network |
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| 23:34.33 | rainfyre | abrotman: I can run iwlist scan and see wifi networks but I can't connect to them. broadcom 4306 card, b43 and b43legacy drivers :) |
| 23:35.05 | rainfyre | abrotman: I've tried making the network a wpa2 and open - no luck |
| 23:35.49 | abrotman | rainfyre: lspci -nn |
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| 23:36.18 | rainfyre | abrotman: ok. pastebin it? |
| 23:36.23 | abrotman | it's only one line |
| 23:36.34 | rainfyre | it gave me the whole thing |
| 23:36.41 | abrotman | you only need to show us one line :) |
| 23:36.44 | rainfyre | 15 lines |
| 23:36.50 | rainfyre | ok :) |
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| 23:37.17 | rainfyre | just a sec, I have to copy it to this box, the other one has no network connection at all |
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| 23:39.12 | rainfyre | 0001:10:12.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4[4320] (rev 02) |
| 23:39.19 | rainfyre | I hope that's the line |
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| 23:40.10 | abrotman | yes, b43legacy |
| 23:40.18 | rainfyre | right |
| 23:40.23 | rainfyre | thanks for looking |
| 23:40.28 | abrotman | rev03 is b43 standard |
| 23:40.32 | rainfyre | ok |
| 23:40.41 | abrotman | so modprobe -r the b43 .. |
| 23:40.46 | abrotman | dpkg: tell rainfyre about blacklist |
| 23:40.48 | rainfyre | ok, I did that |
| 23:40.52 | rainfyre | and blacklist it? |
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| 23:41.02 | abrotman | see what the bot told you |
| 23:41.03 | rainfyre | oh thank you |
| 23:41.12 | rainfyre | yes, you're one step ahead of me :) |
| 23:41.24 | mrdeb | ther is "HASH SUM MISMATCH" now when updating. what is going on |
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| 23:47.31 | mrdeb | hello? |
| 23:47.36 | mrdeb | who can answer on HASH error |
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| 23:49.24 | babilen | mrdeb: Run it again |
| 23:49.53 | mrdeb | i did 5 times |
| 23:49.56 | babilen | mrdeb: Or wait a little, or switch to a different mirror, or ... |
| 23:50.05 | mrdeb | is this a server error now bec 7.4 is going online |
| 23:50.08 | mrdeb | i think that is is |
| 23:50.08 | mrdeb | it |
| 23:50.13 | babilen | mrdeb: Is it important that you refresh now? |
| 23:50.23 | mrdeb | no but it makes me crazy |
| 23:50.28 | babilen | mrdeb: You are using http.debian.net aren't you? |
| 23:50.32 | mrdeb | yes |
| 23:51.12 | babilen | mrdeb: Seriously: You have to learn to relax a little and not freak out whenever something unexpected happens. Sort out important problems and don't drive yourself (and us by proxy) nuts |
| 23:51.27 | babilen | mrdeb: So use a different mirror or wait a little or ... |
| 23:51.35 | mrdeb | i will wait |
| 23:51.50 | mrdeb | well it is not me. it is coffee someimtes |
| 23:52.24 | mtn | the coffee made me do it |
| 23:52.51 | rainfyre | abrotman: I'm still having the same connection problem. It won't connect at all. Is there something else I should check? |
| 23:53.12 | mrdeb | yes coffee makes persons angry sometimes |
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| 23:54.40 | abrotman | or irritating |
| 23:54.44 | abrotman | rainfyre: anything in dmesg ? |
| 23:55.55 | mrdeb | ok |
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| 23:56.59 | rainfyre | abrotman: yes, lots and lots in dmesg. let me figure out how to paste it to you :) |
| 23:57.11 | abrotman | rainfyre: plug it in to a switch? :) |
| 23:57.40 | rainfyre | abrotman: don't have one out here :) |
| 23:58.12 | rainfyre | abrotman: no wired connection unfortunately |
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