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| 00:03.21 | viscera | How is it that I'm running Debian 7.4, but it isn't in debian-announce or on the front page? |
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| 00:04.07 | Kitt3n | I can't get wireless to work..it tries DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 5 times then exits with failed to bring up wlan0 |
| 00:04.11 | Kitt3n | Help? |
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| 00:04.57 | viscera | Did I just get owned by a faux upgrade? |
| 00:05.29 | viscera | Because there was this weird halt the first time I booted the new kernel, it froze at loading the initrd. But the next reboot was fine. |
| 00:05.41 | mrdeb | no |
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| 00:06.08 | mrdeb | Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-amd64_Packages |
| 00:06.12 | mrdeb | what is going on |
| 00:06.19 | LtL | viscera: the point release had been announced for today, it's all good |
| 00:06.29 | mrdeb | LtL: do u know when it will be out |
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| 00:07.27 | LtL | mrdeb: today, 7.4 that is. i think you need a up to date mirror. |
| 00:07.34 | mrdeb | yes i know today |
| 00:07.40 | mrdeb | i am looking for when |
| 00:08.05 | nutron | curious why jabberd 1 and 2 are not available in wheezy? |
| 00:08.17 | viscera | LtL, is it normal for the release to happen before the announcement? |
| 00:08.21 | mrdeb | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ still showing 7.3 |
| 00:08.23 | LtL | mrdeb: depends on the ether among other things, patience is a virtue. |
| 00:08.35 | mrdeb | i know 7.4 is out by update but not iso |
| 00:08.39 | mrdeb | i need to get it |
| 00:09.20 | neglesaks | 7.4 is just a number. you can download 7.3, run software updater, installt he updates, adn youll be around 7.4 anyway |
| 00:09.21 | LtL | mrdeb: iso's will be last, what does it matter you'll get it eventually. |
| 00:10.09 | mrdeb | i need it |
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| 00:10.25 | atari314 | did they already announce what was going to get updated? |
| 00:10.43 | mrdeb | hopefully iceweasel to 24 |
| 00:11.24 | abrotman | atari314: yes |
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| 00:12.48 | atari314 | abrotman, could you please point me where? I couldn't find :/ |
| 00:13.02 | abrotman | dpkg: tell atari314 about 7.4 |
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| 00:13.20 | *** topic/#debian by abrotman -> wheezy released: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy | current point release: /msg dpkg 7.3 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 00:13.41 | atari314 | abrotman, tyvm sir |
| 00:13.46 | LtL | notes regarding 7.4 point release http://paste.debian.net/80935/ |
| 00:14.14 | mrdeb | tahn k you |
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| 00:16.10 | An_Ony_Moose | OK very strange issue here on a macbook pro... http://soundray.org/linus/snapshot1.png (screenshot) http://soundray.org/linus/screenphoto.jpg (photo of screen) |
| 00:16.36 | neglesaks | ty for the notes |
| 00:16.50 | An_Ony_Moose | what could be causing this? |
| 00:17.03 | LtL | neglesaks: yw |
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| 00:18.21 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, not sure, but once my monitor on my macbook did something similar, did you try fn + F2 ? |
| 00:19.01 | An_Ony_Moose | atari314: doesn't do anything |
| 00:19.11 | Kitt3n | http://79.160.126.77/wlan.jpg what am I doing wrong? |
| 00:20.03 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, do you still have mac os installed? |
| 00:20.32 | abrotman | An_Ony_Moose: uhm, where did you get that WM? |
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| 00:20.41 | abrotman | oh, ignore that |
| 00:20.51 | abrotman | also doesn't see a problem |
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| 00:20.53 | An_Ony_Moose | abrotman: it's KDE but the colours are messed up. |
| 00:21.00 | An_Ony_Moose | atari314: yes |
| 00:21.16 | An_Ony_Moose | abrotman: if you look at the K menu icon for example, it's orange rather than blue |
| 00:21.28 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, I know what you need: the color.icc profile :) |
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| 00:21.42 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, let me upload the one from apple so you can fix those colors :) |
| 00:21.47 | abrotman | An_Ony_Moose: maybe it's your theme? |
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| 00:22.06 | atari314 | abrotman, he needs the apple color.icc profile (to be loaded with xcalib) |
| 00:22.07 | An_Ony_Moose | abrotman: I haven#'t applied a theme so I doubt that :P |
| 00:22.14 | An_Ony_Moose | atari314: thanks :D |
| 00:22.17 | atari314 | I have the same issue here :) |
| 00:22.21 | abrotman | that seems a bit much .. |
| 00:23.31 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, download the profile: http://asdqwe.com/color.icc copy it somewhere like /etc/ and install the xcalib package ( sudo apt-get install xcalib ) |
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| 00:23.54 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, then run it with xcalib /etc/color.icc |
| 00:24.05 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, that will fix the colors ^^ |
| 00:24.11 | An_Ony_Moose | atari314: doesn't seem to be doing anything |
| 00:24.30 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, did you xcalib color.icc ? |
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| 00:25.12 | An_Ony_Moose | atari314: yep |
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| 00:25.27 | An_Ony_Moose | atari314: hang on I think the nvidia GLX stuff isn't loaded right yet. Could that have an effect? |
| 00:25.57 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, I don't know what's managing your color profiles |
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| 00:26.23 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, search KDE's control panel for some kind of color management, try to load the .icc profile there |
| 00:26.36 | abrotman | An_Ony_Moose: it could, yes |
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| 00:28.04 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, "For KDE exists the KolorManager system settings panel for configuring a ICC profile per monitor device." |
| 00:28.35 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, try adding there the color.icc profile :) |
| 00:29.25 | An_Ony_Moose | I need to find it first x) |
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| 00:54.54 | atari314 | An_Ony_Moose, found it? |
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| 00:56.34 | hassen | does /usr/lib contain the python libraries/modules?and does that mean that folder is dedicated for python given the linux distro??(I use Debian Wheezy) |
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| 00:58.08 | atari314 | hassen, I believe they would be: /usr/lib/python2.6/ and /usr/lib/python2.7/ and /usr/lib/python3/ |
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| 00:59.00 | hassen | atari314: ah yeah...thanks,so it's just a folder for compilers' modules/libraries |
| 00:59.15 | hassen | installed in the system |
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| 01:00.23 | atari314 | hassen, I'm not sure if everything is in there... the bins I know it's on /usr/bin/ |
| 01:00.57 | atari314 | hassen, /usr/bin/python python2.6 python2.7-config python2 python2.7 python-config |
| 01:01.48 | atari314 | hassen, and there are some config files on /etc/python/ and /etc/python2.6/ and /etc/python2.7/ |
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| 01:03.24 | hassen | atari314: anyway i just thought that /usr/lib is a kind of directory dedicated for the programming laguages' libraries(those installed in the distro),regardless of the other directories used for the considered language |
| 01:03.35 | hassen | it's name is even 'lib' |
| 01:03.39 | hassen | its* |
| 01:03.57 | atari314 | :) |
| 01:04.14 | hassen | that seems intelligent,don't you think? |
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| 01:05.39 | atari314 | I'm not a big fan of linux style of splitting libs/config/bins, but hey, it's what we have ^^ |
| 01:05.52 | Linnak | Hi, how can i set chrome to my language which is not english? |
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| 01:06.32 | hassen | Linnak: man chrome or man chromium ? |
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| 01:07.06 | Linnak | hassen, no manual entry for chrome |
| 01:07.25 | atari314 | Linnak, Settings > Show advanced settings... > Language and Input Settings... >> Add >> choose your language >> OK |
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| 01:07.42 | Linnak | hassen, done. still english |
| 01:08.07 | hassen | Linnak: atari314 's tip seems clearly working |
| 01:08.33 | Linnak | good for you. it doesn't for me |
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| 01:09.11 | hassen | Linnak: #google seems suitable then |
| 01:09.36 | Linnak | hassen, thanks |
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| 01:09.57 | atari314 | lol... |
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| 01:21.54 | mrdeb | well they are combining that in some distros now |
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| 01:29.45 | ectospasm | what's the preferred dynamic DNS client for Debian? |
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| 01:33.17 | abrotman | ectospasm: I'd probably use the one in my router |
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| 01:35.52 | ectospasm | abrotman, Debian *is* my router :-D |
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| 02:13.33 | pixelgremlins_1 | Hey using debian as a web-server lamp-- I want to be able to upload files on server1 but have them go to server2... anyone know best way to create a filestore on a central server? |
| 02:14.13 | holycow_ | nfs |
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| 02:15.04 | binary1985_ | nfs is retarded |
| 02:15.15 | holycow_ | as opposed to? |
| 02:15.39 | binary1985_ | i dont know, how about something authenticated |
| 02:15.41 | centrx | PHP |
| 02:16.20 | holycow_ | nfs v4 + kerberos auth is retarded? |
| 02:16.22 | holycow_ | i don't think so |
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| 02:17.18 | abrotman | sshfs |
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| 02:20.45 | pixelgremlins_1 | anything like self-hosted s3? -- I basically have my app on server1 which is mysite.com I want uploads to go to /var/www/uploads on server2, which will be accessible by uploads.mysite.com I don't want them to take up any space on server1. |
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| 02:21.22 | holycow_ | you should research the options provided before you say things like 'self hosted s3' |
| 02:21.30 | holycow_ | storage is not magic, nor difficult to undestand |
| 02:21.51 | holycow_ | if you want to get retarded, setup a cronjob that scp's / ftps files over and removes local even |
| 02:22.48 | pixelgremlins_1 | I need for the php file to automatically upload to server2 and be immediately available.. |
| 02:22.50 | holycow_ | learning nfs / sshfs basics online takes only a few minutes. shsfs is easiest to get up and running and lots of examples on how to get sshfs to mount on boot |
| 02:23.01 | holycow_ | you still are not listening daming |
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| 02:23.05 | holycow_ | read up on fucking sshfs and nfs |
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| 02:23.11 | holycow_ | damnit even! |
| 02:23.30 | holycow_ | when you save to an sshfs or nfs share it goes directly to the other server |
| 02:23.38 | holycow_ | *slaps pixelgremlins_1 forehead* |
| 02:23.43 | holycow_ | read child! |
| 02:24.46 | Imbue | hello, is there a way for me to autoload a set of iptables rules on boot? |
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| 02:25.06 | kRush | yes |
| 02:25.16 | holycow_ | http://major.io/2009/11/16/automatically-loading-iptables-on-debianubuntu/ |
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| 02:25.30 | holycow_ | first link on google |
| 02:26.46 | Imbue | hmm, page is not loading for me |
| 02:26.56 | Imbue | i will have a look around anyway |
| 02:27.04 | holycow_ | add www maybe? |
| 02:27.27 | themill | ,i iptables-persistent |
| 02:27.28 | judd | Package iptables-persistent (admin, optional) in wheezy/i386: boot-time loader for iptables rules. Version: 0.5.7; Size: 10.0k; Installed: 60k |
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| 02:28.13 | enkidu | anyone played with route and vlan tagging? |
| 02:28.29 | therealGent | hello all. Has anyone ever had experience running Debian on a poweredge server with a PERC RAID card? I was wondering if it's possible to get updates and messages on the RAID array with Debian. |
| 02:29.26 | enkidu | therealGent: I dont know about this particular card, but I have messages (ie. about syncinc progress) on plain old legacy itanium with scsi raid |
| 02:29.58 | enkidu | afair they are sent as scsi events |
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| 02:30.08 | therealGent | I'm a complete noob and I've never dealt with RAID. Would these messages pop up in some system logs or what? |
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| 02:30.35 | nae | Is there a way to query apt-cache, debtags and popcon to say find all mail clients with a text mode interface and rank them by popcon vote? |
| 02:30.52 | enkidu | they are in dmesg/messages log, however, there should be some handle in /proc or /sys to read it on-demand |
| 02:31.23 | enkidu | also, I'd suggest you to use IPMI, as some parametres will be shown there |
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| 02:32.03 | enkidu | also, this : http://pookey.co.uk/wordpress/archives/46-dell-perc-6i-and-raid-monitoring |
| 02:32.32 | themill | nae: there is... but you'd be writing that script yourself :) |
| 02:33.21 | nae | themill: that's cool, I don't mind doing it. I just want to make sure there's not already a way to do it. |
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| 02:34.22 | nae | a quick search around online revealed ad hoc, grps and sorts of popcon data but nothing with a simple repeatable interface |
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| 02:35.30 | anigma | Hello. I accidentally changed my root's shell to a non-existing shell. How can I change it back without having the option of mounting a live cd? Also, I do not have sudo installed. |
| 02:36.01 | petemc | man su /shell |
| 02:36.38 | centrx | anigma, You can use su -c to run a command as root without sudo |
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| 02:37.40 | anigma | centrx: I did that, as well as su -s, didn't work. |
| 02:38.27 | centrx | su -s should work...are you sure the shell is the only problem? |
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| 02:39.02 | enkidu | you can try running directly mcedit or any other editor to change your shell |
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| 02:40.35 | j0z | why mopuse and keyboard ps/2 both doesnt work anymore on x after last update? |
| 02:40.35 | therealGent | enkidu, awesome link! Thank you! |
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| 02:41.36 | enkidu | np |
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| 02:41.49 | anigma | centrx: I pretty much just get: "Cannot execute foo (some weird name)" after doing su -s |
| 02:42.14 | petemc | su -s /bin/sh |
| 02:42.41 | enkidu | su -s /usr/bin/mc |
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| 02:45.04 | anigma | yeah, that doesn't work at all.. |
| 02:45.07 | anigma | as I said |
| 02:45.38 | themill | real output might be handy here |
| 02:45.41 | enkidu | it is strange then. I removed executable bit from bash, then started session and did 'su -s /usr/bin/mc' |
| 02:48.20 | anigma | themill: "Cannot execute *Æ^Æ: No such file or directory" is what I get. I can't remember why/how I managed to set it to that. |
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| 02:49.13 | enkidu | su -s `which mc` |
| 02:49.25 | petemc | you love mc |
| 02:49.26 | enkidu | replace mc with desired shell program |
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| 02:53.52 | anigma | That's weird.. I got: "No such entry for user «mc» in passwd file |
| 02:54.42 | anigma | also, why would I do mc? I doubt I have that installed. |
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| 02:55.20 | anigma | either way, still doesn't work. What other options do I have? |
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| 02:55.52 | changeguy | hey when i apt-get update I get a gpg error because the pubilc key is not avaible |
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| 02:56.17 | abrotman | changeguy: paste.debian.et please |
| 02:56.31 | therealGent | would a .deb designed for ubuntu work on debian? |
| 02:56.55 | changeguy | abrotman: is that a url? |
| 02:56.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:57.03 | changeguy | cant load it |
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| 02:57.17 | abrotman | therealGent: sometimes yes, sometimes no .. not recomended |
| 02:57.21 | abrotman | changeguy: paste.debian.net .. sorry |
| 02:57.21 | enkidu | anigma: you have removed ``, they are essentials. try: su -s $SHELL |
| 02:57.57 | therealGent | damn. I need to find out which repo to use for my RAID utilities. Theres a dell repo for "ubuntu" and this one for Debian http://hwraid.le-vert.net/wiki/DebianPackages#no1 |
| 02:58.02 | therealGent | Not sure if the second is trustworthy or not.. |
| 02:58.31 | anigma | enkidu: If I would've kept ``, they would be seen as an invalid argument to 'su'. |
| 02:58.49 | changeguy | i cant paste out of xterm |
| 02:59.45 | abrotman | dpkg: tell changeguy about pastewithoutx |
| 03:01.08 | changeguy | im running it in ubuntu chroot |
| 03:01.16 | changeguy | not terminal |
| 03:02.02 | abrotman | what? |
| 03:02.10 | abrotman | Do you need help with Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 03:02.14 | changeguy | debian |
| 03:02.21 | changeguy | im running a debian image chrooted |
| 03:02.34 | changeguy | i just want to update the gpg key but I cant copy/paste from xterm |
| 03:02.59 | abrotman | changeguy: can you just type it? try installing debian-archive-keyring |
| 03:03.05 | changeguy | ok that might be it |
| 03:03.23 | changeguy | its already the newest version |
| 03:03.27 | anigma | what would happen if I boot into recovery mode and log on with root? What shell would root use? |
| 03:03.32 | changeguy | im using an image from 2012 |
| 03:04.29 | changeguy | ok |
| 03:04.31 | abrotman | wheezy? |
| 03:04.33 | changeguy | got it pasted abrotman |
| 03:04.51 | abrotman | anigma: append init=/bin/bash whne you boot, then change the passwd file |
| 03:05.05 | changeguy | abrotman: paste.debian.net/80950 |
| 03:05.14 | changeguy | how to tell what version i am |
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| 03:05.35 | abrotman | changeguy: lsb_release -a |
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| 03:05.54 | abrotman | changeguy: that debian-archive-keyring sohuld have the key you need |
| 03:05.58 | changeguy | that program isn't installed |
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| 03:06.08 | abrotman | changeguy: cat /etc/debian-versoin |
| 03:06.22 | abrotman | jeez |
| 03:06.22 | changeguy | 6.0.1 |
| 03:06.25 | abrotman | /etc/debian_version |
| 03:06.34 | abrotman | changeguy: why would you install squeeze and not weehzy? |
| 03:06.53 | changeguy | im using an image made for ubuntop |
| 03:06.59 | changeguy | so I can chroot into debian |
| 03:08.32 | Kitt3n | I am getting this when I try to install the base system "debootstrap error failed to determine the codename for the release" |
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| 03:11.01 | changeguy | if i want to upgrade do I need to update the squeez key |
| 03:11.13 | changeguy | i want to get to the current unstable |
| 03:11.18 | abrotman | you don't have to have the keys at all .. it's just going to keep whining |
| 03:11.26 | j0z | why mopuse and keyboard ps/2 both doesnt work anymore on x after last update? |
| 03:11.32 | j0z | sorry |
| 03:11.45 | j0z | why mouse and keyboard ps/2 both dont work anymore on x after last update? |
| 03:12.17 | j0z | any ideas please? |
| 03:12.26 | changeguy | but how can i fix it |
| 03:12.33 | j0z | I had to reinstall xorg for it to work |
| 03:12.38 | j0z | twice |
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| 03:12.44 | changeguy | what recv-keys should i sue |
| 03:12.48 | changeguy | *use |
| 03:13.05 | changeguy | wait i think |
| 03:13.12 | abrotman | changeguy: you installed the keys, run apt-get update again |
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| 03:22.32 | changeguy | I used apt-key add |
| 03:22.44 | changeguy | after downloading the keys from ftp-master.debian.org |
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| 03:22.49 | changeguy | and loading into gpg |
| 03:24.06 | changeguy | will apt-get dist upgrade bring me from 6.0 to the latest version of stable? |
| 03:24.18 | themill | dpkg: tell changeguy about squeeze->wheezy |
| 03:25.27 | changeguy | ok so just running apt-get upgrade keeps me on squeeze, but with the latest updates right? |
| 03:25.56 | themill | that depends on what is in your sources.list |
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| 03:33.33 | therealGent | when setting up an encrypted lvm on raid5, is it supposed to take ungodly long zeroin'g out the partition? |
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| 03:33.53 | therealGent | and why is it named sdc skipping a and b when there is only one virtual disk set up? |
| 03:34.38 | squisher | therealGent, I'd say it'll take a while to zero out the partition, yeah. Definitely depends on the size & the hardware too, though |
| 03:35.14 | changeguy | can a debian in a chroot enviroment read files outside of its image file? |
| 03:35.24 | therealGent | squisher, but what's unsettling me is that initalizing the array took much less time. It's essentially doing the same thing.. |
| 03:35.31 | changeguy | i mount an image and chroot in it, can the OS in the jail access files outside |
| 03:36.31 | centrx | systemd: http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2013/debconf13/high/983_Why_Debian_should_or_should_not_make_systemd_the_default.ogv |
| 03:36.35 | changeguy | my sources.list has stable main non-free contrib and I upgradeed it. Is my system still squeeze but just updated |
| 03:37.37 | changeguy | it just has stable, not squeeze or wheezy |
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| 03:40.03 | mrdeb | still 7.3 |
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| 03:40.27 | changeguy | mrdeb: my verison file stilll says 6.0.1 |
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| 03:41.17 | abrotman | changeguy: please ignore mrdeb |
| 03:41.41 | abrotman | changeguy: change them to stay 'wheezy', instead of 'stable', and then do a dist-upgrade |
| 03:41.56 | changeguy | ok, what version do I have now you think? |
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| 03:43.49 | mrdeb | 6.01 is veyr behind even for 6, which is at 6.08 |
| 03:44.09 | mrdeb | if u are going to 7, better off installing clean iso |
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| 03:44.24 | changeguy | is ftp.debian.org/debian the only one I need to use or should I add another source |
| 03:44.38 | mrdeb | you should have three lines |
| 03:44.41 | abrotman | dpkg: tell changeguy about http.debian.net |
| 03:44.45 | abrotman | mrdeb: please don't try to help |
| 03:44.49 | mrdeb | what |
| 03:44.51 | changeguy | mrdeb im using an image created for ubuntop |
| 03:44.58 | abrotman | changeguy: seriously, please ignore mrdeb |
| 03:44.58 | mrdeb | i can help |
| 03:45.02 | abrotman | no, you can't |
| 03:45.04 | mrdeb | ... |
| 03:45.07 | mrdeb | i know which lines |
| 03:45.13 | centrx | mrdeb, There is no problem updating from 6.0.1 to 7 |
| 03:45.15 | changeguy | lol ok abrotman |
| 03:45.20 | changeguy | centrx: thanks |
| 03:45.41 | mrdeb | goipng from gnome 2 to gnome 3 |
| 03:45.47 | mrdeb | safer to clean install |
| 03:45.49 | changeguy | i have no gnome |
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| 03:46.10 | abrotman | mrdeb: Please refrain from jumping into the middle, you're not really fit to be supporting others given the problems you seem unable to solve. |
| 03:46.22 | themill | changeguy: you may well be better off upgrading squeeze first to the latest point release and then update to wheezy. I can't recall if there were any squeeze->wheezy bugs that were fixed in squeeze |
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| 03:46.29 | abrotman | changeguy: Which is why I kept telling you to ignore him .. |
| 03:46.31 | themill | (there normally are a couple) |
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| 03:46.38 | changeguy | k |
| 03:47.03 | abrotman | themill: his sources were pointing at 'stable' |
| 03:47.18 | themill | ahh.. so it's already a mess then |
| 03:47.38 | abrotman | which is why I'm saying to change to wheezy and do the dist-upgrade |
| 03:47.41 | changeguy | i shouldnt have upgraded before doing dist-upgrade? |
| 03:47.42 | themill | ack |
| 03:48.15 | changeguy | brb going to join from the computer |
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| 03:50.33 | enkidu | oh yeah. I love accidental power blackouts |
| 03:51.20 | abrotman | instead of intentional? |
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| 03:54.13 | enkidu | yes. most of intentional power blackouts in this building I made by myself - using 3x1kA switch ;) |
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| 03:55.09 | changeguy | ok back |
| 03:55.53 | changeguy | so can u "tell me about upgradeing" again and also what 3 lines to add? Shouldn't I add security etc |
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| 03:56.26 | omps | WOW this is some room :) |
| 03:56.37 | themill | dpkg: tell changeguy about wheezy sources.list |
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| 04:00.30 | changeguy | so, main contrib non-free? |
| 04:01.11 | changeguy | and next, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:01.25 | changeguy | or can I skip the second upgrade |
| 04:01.40 | centrx | changeguy, Do dist-upgrade, NOT upgrade |
| 04:01.57 | centrx | changeguy, Not sure what you are asking about main contrib non-free |
| 04:02.18 | omps | whats the difference centrx |
| 04:02.32 | changeguy | just wanted to make sure those are correct entries. but I'm coming from a 6.0.1 that only had "stable" in sources.list |
| 04:03.19 | centrx | omps, dist-upgrade will handle dependencies more rigorously for doing a release upgrade |
| 04:03.39 | centrx | changeguy, You must have had at least "main"... |
| 04:03.49 | themill | changeguy, centrx: actually, an upgrade first can help apt calculate the upgrade path better (and it does no harm) |
| 04:04.02 | freq | daily i fall onto my ass to make my bones stronger main contrib non-free |
| 04:04.14 | abrotman | looks at freq |
| 04:04.26 | centrx | Okay |
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| 04:04.38 | omps | thanks i always thought both worked the same. Today, I did learnt something new. :) |
| 04:05.35 | freq | i learn one thing a day |
| 04:05.52 | changeguy | i had #deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 04:06.02 | themill | omps: dist-upgrade permits packages to be removed as well as installed to then satisfy the dependencies. There is no difference in the rigour of handling dependencies (contrary to what centrx said) -- package dependencies are *always* satisfied by apt. |
| 04:06.23 | freq | so far, jessie has been awesome |
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| 04:06.41 | changeguy | themill: so in fact i can skip the upgrade and goto dist-upgrade? |
| 04:06.48 | omps | freq: we all do learn something everyday; else no point being alive ;) |
| 04:06.55 | themill | changeguy: I would recommend doing the upgrade first |
| 04:07.01 | freq | i hope you're right omps |
| 04:07.36 | changeguy | themill: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade #like the bot says? |
| 04:07.51 | themill | changeguy: assuming you now have a sensible sources.list, yes |
| 04:08.28 | changeguy | themill: http://paste.debian.net/80952/ |
| 04:08.56 | themill | looks good |
| 04:09.10 | changeguy | * holds nose |
| 04:09.14 | changeguy | holds nose |
| 04:11.08 | changeguy | http.debian.net picks the fastest server? seems like the ftp.debian.net was faster kb/s wise |
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| 04:12.39 | therealGent | is there a way to enter the encrypted lvm password over ssh or something? |
| 04:12.55 | therealGent | so if a headless box somewhere out of distance reboots, you can help it complete bootup? |
| 04:13.04 | centrx | changeguy, It probably is a round-robin, picking a random server, not the fastest |
| 04:13.17 | centrx | changeguy, You can use netselect-apt to find the fastest server for your location/ISP |
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| 04:13.35 | themill | no, it's not a round-robin. |
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| 04:15.15 | changeguy | ftp.debian was giving me 200kb http is only 54 |
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| 04:16.29 | themill | http.d.n ensures that you are always facing a working mirror. That's worth far more than any speed difference you may or may not have. |
| 04:16.44 | changeguy | ah |
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| 04:16.55 | changeguy | but i can still use the ftp.d.org right? |
| 04:18.15 | themill | it's much better for everyone if you use a different mirror |
| 04:18.32 | changeguy | oh ok |
| 04:18.41 | enkidu | strange behavior. I can use "ip route add 224.0.0.0/4 dev eth1.42" from commandline, but not in "post-up" rule in /etc/interfaces |
| 04:22.29 | vimel | centrx: to use netselect-apt i have to first install it then run netselect-apt install <packagename> ?? |
| 04:23.04 | centrx | vimel, netselect-apt creates a new sources.list file for you, or shows you the fastest (or 10 fastest) servers. It is not for installing packages. |
| 04:23.14 | omps | test |
| 04:23.43 | themill | vimel: not that netselect-apt's idea of "fastest" has little to do with how fast you'll download packages. It's not really very useful. |
| 04:23.54 | vimel | what if i move, will netselect-apt adjust my sources.ist againt? |
| 04:24.03 | centrx | vimel, ...shows you the fastest server URLs which you can replace in your sources.list |
| 04:24.06 | vimel | themill: i see. makes sense. |
| 04:24.09 | themill | vimel: just use http.debian.net. Easiest. |
| 04:24.44 | centrx | vimel, You can run it again, it is not a service, it is just a tool that you can run which outputs a file (not ovewriting /etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 04:24.57 | vimel | themill: i think i have that mirror already in my sources.list, let me check. |
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| 04:25.59 | vimel | themill: just for testing it shows up debian.net all others are still debian.org |
| 04:26.37 | vimel | centrx: ah okay. i think i get the gist of the app. thanks for the tut. |
| 04:27.17 | vimel | centrx: i see you recommending it so i figured id ask. |
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| 04:32.43 | centrx | vimel, Testing it now, it gives me a server that is 2x-15x faster than http.debian.net |
| 04:32.59 | centrx | Or 2x-7.5x rather |
| 04:33.17 | themill | there is no "http.debian.net" ... |
| 04:33.38 | themill | And that just means it's giving you a mirror that can be in an inconsistent state. |
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| 04:34.20 | derric | Did Imagination Technologies axe support for sde_linux after acquiring MIPS Technologies? |
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| 04:36.13 | centrx | http.debian.net is consistently giving me <200K/sec, while my usual lcs.mit.edu server gets 800K/sec and the constant.com server netselect-apt recommended gets 1800K/sec |
| 04:36.48 | abrotman | centrx: the idea is that http.d.n knows when MIT is offline, etc, and you still get data .. |
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| 04:38.08 | themill | centrx: please read up on what http.d.n actually is |
| 04:38.11 | centrx | abrotman, I know, but I've been using the same source for six years and it's only been semi-broken two or three times :) |
| 04:38.36 | ep0xcc | orl: the xserver problem is solved. Maybe you can have a try installing xorg again :-) |
| 04:38.42 | abrotman | centrx: yes, MIT going offline is a pain (I used to connect to another IRC server there, and when shit breaks there, it really breaks) |
| 04:39.15 | themill | and that mirror has been quite problematic for the past couple of weeks |
| 04:39.58 | changeguy | ok now I am at 7.4 |
| 04:40.29 | changeguy | am I ready to bebop in my reebooks |
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| 04:41.56 | vimel | i just did a debian install this morning and lcs.mit.edu was not avail so i chose the csail.mit.edu one. seems like lcs server has been done almost a week. |
| 04:42.23 | anonnumberanon | "It's decided, Debian 8 will run System D" is this true? if yes, why should I care? |
| 04:42.33 | abrotman | anonnumberanon: you sohuldn't |
| 04:42.51 | anonnumberanon | okay |
| 04:43.08 | anonnumberanon | Will it make my OS more stable? |
| 04:43.13 | abrotman | Unless you're an admin, or a DD/DM .. you likely won't notice |
| 04:43.26 | centrx | anon39325, Where did you read that? |
| 04:43.46 | anonnumberanon | wrong name? |
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| 04:45.33 | centrx | anonnumberanon, Oh yes, I meant to say that to you |
| 04:45.34 | anonnumberanon | nsfw https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/40176219 |
| 04:45.42 | anonnumberanon | ^^ |
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| 04:46.01 | abrotman | anonnumberanon: They're mistaken .. |
| 04:46.25 | anonnumberanon | They are master trolls, this might be a huge troll. |
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| 04:46.33 | abrotman | then don't read the stupid website .. |
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| 04:47.02 | Okee | Is there something unique about apache2 that prevents it from being completely removed in Debian stable? |
| 04:47.08 | abrotman | no? |
| 04:47.33 | centrx | Okee, Why would it be removed? |
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| 04:47.54 | Okee | I am switching to NGINX |
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| 04:51.34 | slicktown | having some trouble with openvpn |
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| 04:51.59 | Okee | I am getting an error in boot, but it isn't showing up in /var/log/syslog |
| 04:52.33 | Okee | I am going to reboot, and will be back in a few minutes. |
| 04:52.34 | slicktown | trying to use full tunneling by setting "redirect-gateway def1" in my client config, but once I do that I can't connect to anything outside of the openvpn server at work |
| 04:52.49 | slicktown | Okee: what is the error? |
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| 04:53.18 | Okee | I can't exactly remember, but it is a red flag on boot, indicating something was wrong or missing with apache2 |
| 04:53.27 | Okee | I am going to reboot and get a better picture to report on. |
| 04:53.32 | slicktown | the error doesn't show up in dmesg? |
| 04:53.39 | anonnumberanon | What is this port? 224.0.0.1 |
| 04:53.57 | slicktown | that's not a port, that's an IP address |
| 04:54.21 | slicktown | multicast address, google it |
| 04:54.45 | anonnumberanon | abrotman, that website freed me in a lot of ways it's only natural I pay them a little bit of attention. |
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| 04:55.39 | Rusty1 | slicktown: there is a #openvpn channel IIRC |
| 04:56.04 | slicktown | Rusty1: they seem to have my IP banned for some reason, I have never joined any IRC channel from this IP before |
| 04:56.49 | Rusty1 | slicktown: nick registered? |
| 04:57.05 | slicktown | Rusty1: Nope...guess I'll do that |
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| 04:59.41 | slicktown | Rusty1: weird, registered and still banned. WTF |
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| 05:00.39 | slicktown | would anyone mind asking #openvpn why I'm banned? |
| 05:00.39 | Al3xG0 | how to install the drivers for this video card debian7 [AMD] nee ATI Tahiti XT [Radeon HD 7970] |
| 05:00.44 | slicktown | or if they could unban me please |
| 05:01.37 | themill | slicktown: you might want to use a real irc client. Many channels ban the web client due to continued abuse. |
| 05:01.40 | SwedeMike | slicktown: they have banned all webchat users. |
| 05:01.56 | slicktown | A3xG0: it depends on if you want the bleeding edge beta driver from AMD, the binary blob from the debian repo, or the open source driver |
| 05:02.07 | slicktown | ok, thanks |
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| 05:02.20 | slicktown | I'm having a weird issue with my debian server at the house, can't connect to freenode from it |
| 05:02.32 | slicktown | can ping the freenode IRC servers but unable to connect using irssi |
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| 05:03.28 | unclezipper | I have to install Debian on a laptop with fairly new hardware. Its ethernet and WLAN controller are only supported in kernels >= 3.10.x. Is there any way I can load modules in the installer from a newer kernel? |
| 05:04.04 | Al3xG0 | slicktown from amd |
| 05:04.14 | benben159 | unclezipper: try install jessie/sid |
| 05:04.30 | benben159 | debian testing uses kernel 3.12 |
| 05:04.49 | SpectrumCrasher | I'm using XFCE, and I'm trying to launch an extra panel as another user account. I used to do this with Gnome in Ubuntu. The goal of this is to have anything potentially offensive quarantined to another user account while still being able to easily access it, so it doesn't accidentally show up at work or something. With Gnome, I would just do gksu -u username gnome-panel; What should I do for XFCE? I know the panel is XFCE4- |
| 05:05.19 | slicktown | Al3xG0: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Linux%20x86_64 |
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| 05:05.49 | slicktown | download the latest beta driver and run the script to install it |
| 05:05.51 | SpectrumCrasher | slicktown: does your client support SASL? |
| 05:05.55 | slicktown | keep in mind that if you do this, the next kernel upgrade will break it |
| 05:05.55 | unclezipper | benben159, thanks, I'll give that a shot. Are there any major issues? |
| 05:06.24 | slicktown | SpectrumCrasher: uh...I du nno |
| 05:06.35 | benben159 | unclezipper: afaik i didn't find one |
| 05:06.49 | Rusty1 | SpectrumCrasher: ask #xfce ? |
| 05:06.53 | unclezipper | Great |
| 05:07.05 | vimel | unclezipper: im using jessie and couldnt be happier. some cosmetic issues that are mostly fixed using xfce. i just migrated another wheezy machine to jessie and sfsg. |
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| 05:07.27 | unclezipper | vimel, That's awesome.... I only use XFCE |
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| 05:08.08 | mrdeb | wheezy repo now has 7.4 files |
| 05:08.13 | Al3xG0 | ? paste |
| 05:08.13 | mrdeb | after wheezy-updates |
| 05:08.25 | mrdeb | 2 more hours left for iso updates |
| 05:08.31 | mrdeb | very exciting |
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| 05:09.36 | freq | mrdeb: touching |
| 05:09.37 | Al3xG0 | slicktown http://pastebin.com/FxExcLi8 |
| 05:09.38 | Al3xG0 | ;/ |
| 05:09.51 | vimel | unclezipper: be sure to use the video driver in the repos. in my case i tried to install nvidia 331 beta driver and it broke X. so i went back to 319 driver and live is good again. |
| 05:10.10 | SpectrumCrasher | slicktown: If you're having trouble connecting to freenode, check your client for SASL support. Freenode now requires SASL. |
| 05:10.22 | slicktown | SpectrumCrasher: ok, thanks, will do |
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| 05:11.21 | unclezipper | vimel: I try to stay away from beta drivers anyway. The regular nVidia drivers scare me enough as it is :P |
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| 05:11.54 | unclezipper | I have to go with it though, nouveau causes a kernel panic |
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| 05:13.05 | mrdeb | unclezipper: nvidia drivers work well imo |
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| 05:13.51 | Okee | Would anyone know what I could use Jetty for? Supposedly it does something dynamic with Java applications. |
| 05:14.02 | unclezipper | mrdeb: They usually do.... since I'm so cheap I'm used to using their legacy drivers that come with lots of quirks, though |
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| 05:15.53 | mrdeb | 304 driver works good |
| 05:16.30 | Al3xG0 | how to install the drivers for this video card debian7 [AMD] nee ATI Tahiti XT [Radeon HD 7970] |
| 05:17.25 | vimel | dpkg: tell Al3xG0 about radeon |
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| 05:26.50 | nashant | Alright guys |
| 05:27.00 | nashant | I've been having an issue lately |
| 05:27.33 | nashant | My ui hangs for a few seconds sometimes |
| 05:28.52 | nashant | I really don't understand it. I've got an i7, 16gb ram and running debian from an ssd msata |
| 05:29.12 | unclezipper | nashant: tail -n 50 /var/log/dmesg after it happens to see if anything unusual pops up in there |
| 05:29.28 | lns | nashant, does it hang during any particular activity / software / ... ? |
| 05:30.30 | SpectrumCrasher | nashant: That's terribly vague. There's no way we can help you without more information. What are you doing when it hangs? What DE are you using? Check your system/task monitor for processes using large amounts of RAM or CPU when things slow down. |
| 05:30.33 | nashant | lns: it doesn't seem to. |
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| 05:30.58 | nashant | I know it's terribly vague, but I'm not too sure how to diagnose it |
| 05:31.56 | nashant | It would be handy if the log had a timecode on it |
| 05:32.15 | SpectrumCrasher | nashant: Start by adding a set of resource monitors to your panels. I always keep RAM and CPU monitors in my panels so if something hangs, I know that there's a process bogging it down. |
| 05:32.42 | SpectrumCrasher | nashant: then you'd have a clue to start with. |
| 05:32.43 | nashant | SpectrumCrasher: how would you recommend I do that? |
| 05:33.27 | SpectrumCrasher | nashant: What desktop environment are you using? |
| 05:33.45 | lns | nashant, are you familiar with the shell? How about commands like free, top, df, dmesg, ? |
| 05:33.53 | lns | Those will all help you. |
| 05:33.56 | vimel | nashant: run htop and keep it pinned somewhere on your desktop. monitor it for when you see this issue come up with lag. then see what it tells you. |
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| 05:34.21 | nashant | running gnome3, standard debian jessie |
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| 05:35.00 | nashant | I'm thinking maybe it has something to do with the fact that I've got an nvidia optimus system |
| 05:35.05 | slicktown | jessie? |
| 05:35.07 | lns | nashant, what kind of video adapter are you using? are you sure the drivers are installed correctly? |
| 05:35.15 | lns | ah..spoke too late ;) |
| 05:35.23 | vimel | nashant: thats prolly your prob. no kidding. i had the same lag issue w gnome3 + jessie. my system is rather beastly too. 6core 3.2 / 32 Gb ram. issue stopped when i moved to xfce on jessie. |
| 05:35.25 | nashant | beat you to it |
| 05:35.43 | lns | I moved to KDE actually because of issues with gnome3 and nvidia |
| 05:35.43 | nashant | I would hate to go to xfce |
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| 05:35.49 | nashant | I really love gnome3 |
| 05:35.50 | SpectrumCrasher | nashant: It's been a while since I've used Gnome, but if you have any idea of how to modify your panel widgets, look through your list for the system monitor. I know there's one for Gnome. |
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| 05:36.04 | lns | nashant, are you using a tablet? |
| 05:36.12 | nashant | lns: nope |
| 05:36.22 | vimel | oh and i had the current 319 driver installed on gnome 3 + jessie. lag still. |
| 05:36.23 | nashant | beastly laptop that I just bought |
| 05:36.44 | nashant | It's weird though, it doesn't happen all the time |
| 05:37.11 | nashant | It tends to happen after it's gone to screensaver |
| 05:37.12 | lns | imho gnome3 is geared toward tablet use (though it seems you can't find scenarios where people are actually using it that way)..I loved Gnome (used it since early days) but moved to KDE and realized everything I'd been missing for so many years |
| 05:37.30 | nashant | I tried kde, wasn't a fan |
| 05:37.36 | vimel | nashant: seriously tho im not a gnome 3 hater. in fact i think its a great DE. on jessie tho, i found xfce fixed my gnome 3 issues, including the lag. havent tried kde or other DEs. |
| 05:37.59 | nashant | Love the power widget, and wish there was an equivalent in gnome, but it's not enough to tempt me over |
| 05:38.30 | lns | nashant, does glxinfo give you lots of output? have you made sure 3d rendering is enabled? |
| 05:38.33 | scooty_puff | does anyone know why uefi mobos list debian as a boot option along side the regular list of hard drives? |
| 05:38.34 | vimel | nashant: you may want to try to use lightdm or slim instead of gdm. see if that helps. i doubt it will. |
| 05:38.37 | SpectrumCrasher | I was on KDE for a while because Gnome started to decline, but a lot of stupid bugs kept coming up. I'm now on XFCE and pretty happy. |
| 05:38.50 | vimel | its prolly a memory bug in gnome 3 + jessie |
| 05:39.01 | nashant | It just seems weird that it only happens after screensaver |
| 05:39.22 | nashant | Straight from boot it's like lightning with everything I do |
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| 05:40.24 | SpectrumCrasher | nashant: have you triied changing your screensaver? |
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| 05:40.27 | nashant | phpstorm seems especially laggy |
| 05:40.39 | nashant | Not tried changing the screensaver, no |
| 05:41.11 | nashant | I mean I could just turn caffeine on permanently, but it seems a little excessive |
| 05:41.35 | vimel | i used caffeine same prob for me with caffeine always on or off. |
| 05:41.57 | nashant | balls |
| 05:42.03 | vimel | ymmv. |
| 05:42.09 | nashant | ymmv? |
| 05:42.09 | vimel | thats a nice little extension. |
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| 05:42.22 | MMavipc | hello, does anyone know if the nonfree firmware zip includes drivers for intel i217-v? intel provides a driver called e1000 that supports it |
| 05:42.57 | nashant | just searched on gnome extensions, no ymmv |
| 05:43.21 | themill | MMavipc: I know of no firmware required by the e1000 drivers |
| 05:43.23 | vimel | oh sorry your mileage may vary. |
| 05:43.34 | vimel | as in you may not get the same results* |
| 05:43.48 | MMavipc | themill the netinstall cd doesn't recognize it |
| 05:44.00 | MMavipc | it's only picking up my wlan... which I plan to use in ap mode |
| 05:44.02 | nashant | vimel: where would I find ymmv, and what is it? |
| 05:44.18 | vimel | (12:43:23 AM) vimel: oh sorry your mileage may vary. |
| 05:44.23 | slicktown | too weird. I'm splitting routes between 2 interfaces on my machine with kernel routing, everything works fine (serving up a website on the other interface with a different IP), but irssi refuses to connect to freenode. I set up SASL and it still won't connect, I can telnet to 6667 at freenode just fine and get the ident bot. |
| 05:44.31 | vimel | ymmv = your mileage may vary |
| 05:44.42 | nashant | ah |
| 05:44.47 | nashant | I'm still a little confused |
| 05:44.55 | vimel | (12:43:34 AM) vimel: as in you may not get the same results* |
| 05:45.07 | nashant | Quite possibly because I'm verry high |
| 05:45.11 | vimel | i was talking about caffeine extension and how i still get lag on gnome 3 + jessie. |
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| 05:45.36 | nashant | ahhh right |
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| 05:46.07 | nashant | even with the lag issues, I'm verry happy I switched over from ubuntu |
| 05:46.14 | themill | MMavipc: do you have a PCI-id for the card? (output of lspci -nn for instance) |
| 05:46.36 | slicktown | anyone getting very slow response from the debian repos right now? |
| 05:46.44 | slicktown | 0% [Connecting to ftp.us.debian.org (64.50.236.52)] |
| 05:47.21 | vimel | slicktown: try port 6697 instead of 6667 |
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| 05:48.09 | MMavipc | themill: no, the box is running freebsd and providing my internet right now, but I can get you a pciconf -lvb, http://pastebin.com/iknZPngh |
| 05:48.11 | slicktown | vimel: no improvement, unfortunately. |
| 05:48.12 | themill | slicktown: seems to work fine here |
| 05:48.26 | slicktown | bah, I must have issues. Going to reboot this fuckin' thing |
| 05:48.50 | themill | ,pciid 8086:153b |
| 05:48.51 | judd | [8086:153b] is 'Ethernet Connection I217-V' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:153b |
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| 05:49.26 | themill | ,pciid 8086:153b --release sid |
| 05:49.28 | judd | [8086:153b] is 'Ethernet Connection I217-V' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'e1000e', 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:153b |
| 05:50.06 | themill | MMavipc: ^^ so it needs a newer kernel than is wheezy. There's a new installer image with a newer kernel that has updated drivers in it being produced today -- I don't know whether it will actually include this device though |
| 05:50.33 | themill | MMavipc: you could complete the installation without network and then copy an updated kernel onto the machine with a usb stick |
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| 05:51.14 | MMavipc | could I start up a debian vm and then create my own installer that comes with the updated kernel? |
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| 05:52.19 | slicktown | seems like this split kernel routing gets screwed up all the time |
| 05:52.21 | slicktown | not sure why |
| 05:52.55 | slicktown | followed this guy's blog post on it: http://kindlund.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/configuring-multiple-default-routes-in-linux/ |
| 05:53.19 | themill | MMavipc: rebuilding the installer isn't that simple -- copying the kernel from wheezy-backports on is by far the simplest approach |
| 05:53.21 | nashant | Can anyone recommend any good debian blogs? |
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| 05:53.28 | slicktown | every few days, seems like even though my default route is still OK and the routing table is OK, I start losing the ability to hit networks |
| 05:53.29 | themill | nashant: planet.debian.org |
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| 05:57.53 | nashant | cheers themill |
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| 05:58.38 | nashant | I was looking for something more like webupd8 |
| 05:58.39 | likevinyl | nite \m/ |
| 05:58.49 | MMavipc | themill: do you know if there is a guide to copying the kernel or am I flying blind here? My first guess is to copy linux-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 and all of it's dependencies |
| 05:59.50 | themill | MMavipc: yep, that should be enough. The dep you'd care about would be initramfs-tools -- the other things you should already have |
| 06:00.00 | MMavipc | alright thanks |
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| 06:07.24 | bullgard4 | When upgrading to Debian 7.4 my computer at almost end reported: "Running depmod." What does that mean? This message appears at other circumstances too, e. g. in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526640 |
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| 06:08.10 | changeguy | ok so I have another issue. when I try to run a program in my debian chroot enviroment that connects uses a gui (iceweasel, libreoffice etc), the loading splash screens come up but after it draws the window my system reboots |
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| 06:08.55 | changeguy | the terminal program works fine |
| 06:09.03 | devopsdevildawg | bullgard4: try "man depmod" |
| 06:09.43 | Geo | Hello, I'm looking to install a daemon-like service. What is the current 'good' way to allow it to start on reboot, along with supervision to restart it if it fails while running, and the ability to stop/start it on command? |
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| 06:10.35 | Geo | looking at init.d vs daemontools, not sure if there are pros and cons to each? |
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| 06:10.44 | themill | bullgard4: man depmod. |
| 06:11.01 | paperdigits | was an init system chosen yet? |
| 06:11.05 | MMavipc | changeguy: anything in your logs like a kernel panic? |
| 06:11.48 | bullgard4 | devopsdevildawg, themill : That explains it. -- Thank you. |
| 06:12.03 | changeguy | MMavipc: no kernel panic. actually the xwindow system just restarts |
| 06:12.19 | MMavipc | xorg log? |
| 06:13.05 | devopsdevildawg | changeguy: If you've recently updated, there is an issue with xorg driver stuff, I had to recompile my nvidia kernel driver to keep my system from rebooting |
| 06:13.57 | changeguy | devopsdevildawg: i know that the system needs to use an older version of xorg because im running it on an android webtop |
| 06:14.31 | changeguy | devopsdevildawg: i had an image that was made for this unit to chroot debian. but i upraded it without testing any xwindows apps |
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| 06:16.23 | devopsdevildawg | changeguy: that's beyond my expertise, but I'm willing to bet it's a conflict in you graphics. |
| 06:16.54 | changeguy | devopsdevildawg: the new libaries in the chroot enviroment aren't working with the hardware i have now? |
| 06:17.25 | devopsdevildawg | changeguy: that would be my "best guess" and that's all it is |
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| 06:18.18 | changeguy | thx |
| 06:21.30 | changeguy | can i dist-upgrade but not change the graphics |
| 06:22.39 | changeguy | nvm dum ? |
| 06:22.42 | devopsdevildawg | changeguy: only if there are no updates to the libs and drivers for your specific system, which is unlikely, did you check the logs? |
| 06:23.01 | changeguy | what logs to check |
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| 06:28.03 | devopsdevildawg | I'd check syslog for a kernel panic and maybe the xorg log to see if that is showing you a conflict |
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| 06:33.08 | Geo | Hello, I'm looking to install a script I wrote as a daemon-like service. What is the current 'good' way to allow it to start on reboot, along with supervision to restart it if it fails while running, and the ability to stop/start it on command? I think I'm comparing daemontools to init as the final contenders, is one 'better' than the other for what I mentioned? |
| 06:33.56 | changeguy | devopsdevildawg: ok i was looking not in my chroot. I get these issues in syslog: |
| 06:34.30 | changeguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.31 | devopsdevildawg | That's a weird format for syslog |
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| 06:36.20 | changeguy | its android |
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| 06:36.46 | devopsdevildawg | Geo: put your script in /etc/init.d/ and then use update-rc.d |
| 06:37.20 | devopsdevildawg | but I thought it was failing in your chroot debian enviro? |
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| 06:38.13 | Geo | devopsdevildawg: does init.d monitor to restart if it dies? |
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| 06:42.09 | devopsdevildawg | Geo: There is some relationship between the init.d and /etc/inittab that defines if it's restarted, you'll have to look at the man page for specifics |
| 06:42.29 | MMavipc | how do I disable framebuffer console, and force it to stay in text mode? I've tried nomodeset, vga=0, and fb=0 to no avail |
| 06:42.36 | Geo | ok.. how about this then, is there any reason to NOT use daemontools? |
| 06:43.14 | MMavipc | o derp holdon, I think I screwed up m grubconfig |
| 06:43.27 | themill | Geo: I'd use daemontools for this in wheezy |
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| 06:44.58 | devopsdevildawg | Geo: I've never used daemontools, I'm too old school for that, but it seems like a solid solution |
| 06:46.00 | Geo | thank you devopsdevildawg |
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| 06:46.08 | devopsdevildawg | Geo: anytime |
| 06:46.10 | Geo | themill: any reason in particular why? |
| 06:46.33 | Geo | It seems to be the new, easier way to go about it, but just want to make sure there isnt a cost behind it |
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| 06:47.18 | themill | Geo: there's not really anything else that provides the options you want. (in jessie, you could get systemd to do this.... you probably could do so in wheezy too, but it's not widely supported) |
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| 06:49.36 | donodomundo | I see if there is sound driver installed? |
| 06:51.08 | devopsdevildawg | donodomundo: lsmod | grep snd |
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| 06:52.31 | user1_ | having an issue with knoppix, curl complains about ca cert and won't download without -k and apt-get install anything reports it cannot be downloaded |
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| 06:53.19 | user1_ | and wget gets a certificate erro |
| 06:54.25 | paperdigits | meta-kmeta-kmeta-k/quit |
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| 06:55.54 | silverlords | root@SilverLords:/home/silverlords# rdesktop ****** -g 1280x960 -u Administrator -p 134679* |
| 06:55.54 | silverlords | Autoselected keyboard map pt-br |
| 06:55.54 | silverlords | No protocol specified |
| 06:55.54 | silverlords | ERROR: Failed to open display: :0.0 |
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| 06:56.10 | themill | dpkg: tell silverlords about paste |
| 06:56.31 | silverlords | hou okay |
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| 06:56.56 | themill | silverlords: also, you probably don't really want to run rdesktop as root |
| 06:57.17 | silverlords | ok |
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| 06:57.45 | user1_ | yet in firefox I can go to ca cert urls |
| 06:57.59 | themill | user1_: perhaps you were looking for #knoppix |
| 06:58.15 | user1_ | ERROR: The certificate of `dpaste.de' is not trusted. |
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| 06:58.51 | silverlords | root@SilverLords:/home/silverlords# lspci |grep HDMI |
| 06:58.51 | silverlords | 01:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Tahiti XT HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7970 Series] |
| 06:59.15 | user1_ | I think its debian |
| 06:59.35 | silverlords | My audio card is being listed however is not working what do I do? |
| 07:00.02 | user1_ | silverlords: installed alsa? |
| 07:00.21 | devopsdevildawg | silverlords: no audio over HDMI? Is that your issue? Or no audio at all? |
| 07:00.35 | silverlords | no audio all |
| 07:01.02 | devopsdevildawg | dpkg -l | grep alsa |
| 07:01.03 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep alsa |
| 07:01.13 | user1_ | with apt-get can I force curl to not use certs? |
| 07:01.31 | silverlords | root@SilverLords:/home/silverlords# dpkg -l | grep alsa |
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| 07:01.32 | silverlords | ii alsa-base 1.0.25+3~deb7u1 all ALSA driver configuration files |
| 07:01.32 | silverlords | ii alsa-utils 1.0.25-4 amd64 Utilities for configuring and using ALSA |
| 07:01.43 | themill | dpkg: tell user1_ about knoppix |
| 07:01.51 | vimel | dpkg: tell silverlords about paste |
| 07:01.55 | user1_ | silverlords: alsamixer check that its not muted |
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| 07:02.19 | devopsdevildawg | user1_: what you are running into is a repo problem, I'm fairly certain Knoppix uses different repos that Debian |
| 07:02.36 | silverlords | user1_, no |
| 07:02.41 | silverlords | is on |
| 07:03.24 | user1_ | devopsdevildawg: oh ok, well wget and curl don't work period for CA cert... |
| 07:03.39 | silverlords | not appear on the sound controller |
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| 07:05.28 | user1_ | is the sound controller alsamixer? |
| 07:06.24 | silverlords | user1_, http://gyazo.com/a7ad258a77d4ca8189b11d2e41cff5b0.png |
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| 07:10.06 | user1_ | can you type alsamixer to the commandline? |
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| 07:10.55 | silverlords | user1_, yeah |
| 07:11.08 | silverlords | and now? |
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| 07:11.10 | user1_ | no bars? |
| 07:11.17 | silverlords | yeas bars |
| 07:11.22 | user1_ | screen shot it |
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| 07:12.25 | silverlords | user1_, http://gyazo.com/d8d51bfd4b675ef0f3bb51b064f0a558.png |
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| 07:14.47 | silverlords | user1_, http://gyazo.com/b5f5cfc5f02b3504b6ef6f1749363706.png |
| 07:15.26 | squisher | silverlords, also make sure that the underlying card isn't muted/at zero vol, use F6 to select it in alsamixer |
| 07:15.30 | squisher | is off, night |
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| 07:18.49 | user1_ | silverlords: you get options? |
| 07:19.42 | silverlords | user1_, http://gyazo.com/d8d51bfd4b675ef0f3bb51b064f0a558.png |
| 07:19.58 | silverlords | http://gyazo.com/5a7178a7ec96ece15887fc2a4b53a480.png |
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| 07:20.42 | silverlords | http://gyazo.com/d1bc218138e04af496a68e7e439fdc13.png |
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| 07:20.55 | silverlords | user1_, error selected |
| 07:21.11 | silverlords | root@SilverLords:/home/silverlords# alsamixer |
| 07:21.11 | silverlords | cannot load mixer controls: Argumento inválido |
| 07:21.16 | user1_ | ? did you hit F6 in alsamixer? did anymore options come up? |
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| 07:22.38 | silverlords | the error when I select hda 0 |
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| 07:24.46 | silverlords | user1_, ? |
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| 07:26.11 | user1_ | lsmod | grep snd |
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| 07:27.55 | silverlords | user1_, http://paste.debian.net/80957/ |
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| 07:29.47 | changeguy | ok so I have a chrooted debain system. When I try to run X apps, they cause my tegra2 webtop to restart. but I can run terminal apps. Would it be possible to plug those applications into a xvnc server rather than using the default driver |
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| 07:32.27 | user1_ | silverlords: everything looks right, I am still looking for solution but unsure atm |
| 07:34.04 | changeguy | in other words, can I just output x applications to a "vnc x server" and connect to it using a vnc client? |
| 07:34.09 | silverlords | user1_, it does not appear in the controller http://gyazo.com/43ebfccd41dab2205030b2967a8cc809.png |
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| 07:36.06 | user1_ | silverlords: lspci -k|grep -i -a5 Audio |
| 07:37.00 | silverlords | user1_, http://paste.debian.net/80958/ |
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| 07:40.22 | vimel | silverlords: maybe you can try pavucontrol? |
| 07:40.38 | vimel | apt-get install pavucontrol |
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| 07:43.02 | silverlords | vimel, installed |
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| 07:43.08 | silverlords | now? |
| 07:43.15 | vimel | alt + f2 |
| 07:43.28 | vimel | type pavucontrol then enter |
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| 07:43.53 | vimel | see if pavucontrol will help you find your audio |
| 07:44.19 | vimel | go to youtube and play a video. then look in pavucontrol for audio setting |
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| 07:46.24 | aindilis | hey why are there so few Artificial Intelligence packages in Debian? |
| 07:46.31 | silverlords | vimel, no sound ;/ |
| 07:46.55 | vimel | silverlords: look in your bios for audio settings make sure everything looks good there. |
| 07:47.24 | silverlords | yah |
| 07:47.30 | vimel | silverlords: also make sure you have your audio cable plugged into the correct 'green jack' or appropriate jack for sound. |
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| 07:47.46 | robert__ | what is Extended offline Completed: read failure 30% 28037 3086410381 telling me??? Is my drive dead? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c135e066/ |
| 07:47.55 | silverlords | vimel, I came out of the windows and debian'm new pro was working on windows |
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| 07:48.32 | silverlords | vimel, i neel hdmi |
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| 07:48.50 | silverlords | *need hdmi audio monitor pc/tv |
| 07:48.56 | vimel | from monitor? |
| 07:48.58 | vimel | i see. |
| 07:49.14 | vimel | are you seeing hdmi output in pavucontrol? |
| 07:49.34 | silverlords | vimel, no |
| 07:49.47 | silverlords | no have hdmi output |
| 07:49.51 | vimel | what version of debian are you using, wheezy? |
| 07:50.09 | silverlords | and what I want to add |
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| 07:50.23 | silverlords | yeah 7 lalest |
| 07:50.28 | changeguy | is openbox good enough to run tightvnc server or do i need something like lxde |
| 07:51.11 | vimel | silverlords: i recommend you upgrade to jessie. it uses 3.12 kernel which may have support for hdmi audio by default. |
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| 07:52.02 | vimel | the wheezy kernel you are using may not have support for your hdmi monitor / tv. |
| 07:52.08 | silverlords | how do? |
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| 07:53.13 | vimel | edit your sources.list and change where it says wheezy to jessie. |
| 07:53.25 | vimel | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:53.36 | vimel | once you change your repos |
| 07:53.51 | vimel | then do run command in terminal apt-get update |
| 07:54.04 | vimel | next run final command apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:55.25 | vimel | make sure you reboot after you upgrade to jessie |
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| 07:56.05 | vimel | silverlords: jessie is testing and will more than likely break stuff. so keep this in mind. |
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| 07:58.30 | silverlords | vimel, after reboot? |
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| 07:59.07 | vimel | try youtube again. play a video see if audio works. also have pavucontrol open so you can change settings if needed. |
| 08:00.55 | silverlords | vimel, working 900mb |
| 08:00.57 | silverlords | :) |
| 08:01.12 | vimel | hopefully this fixes your problem. |
| 08:01.23 | vimel | use pavucontrol to change output to hdmi |
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| 08:46.49 | changeguy | Ok, I think that the issue is that I updated my image to the latest version that broke X programs from displaying |
| 08:46.58 | changeguy | I can display xenv test |
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| 08:47.39 | changeguy | upon reverting to the original image. my question is, how can I update my system without actually upgrading the part that broke it (im assuming graphics libs) |
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| 08:47.44 | changeguy | im on 6.0.1 |
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| 08:48.15 | changeguy | what should my sources.list look like in order to retain this version (or can i update everything else execpt the graphics part) |
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| 08:57.33 | changeguy | if i use squeez in my sources.list and upgrade, will i keep the current dist? |
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| 09:04.39 | changeguy | what is oldstable? is that version 6.0.1 |
| 09:04.48 | changeguy | is it still maintained |
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| 09:05.19 | nabblet | hi, when playing media (video/audio, any source, any player) the replay starts "stuttering" (now and then it loops for a moment) - unless I constantly move the mouse. i use wheezy, with a backported 3.12 kernel. my hardware is a lenovo ideapad s21, intel atom 2*1.6GHz, 2 GB RAM (I use fluxbox as GUI and system is barely under load when playing media) |
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| 09:06.02 | nabblet | I looked through the files in /var/log but didn't see anything related (could have missed something though) |
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| 09:07.13 | nabblet | My suspicion: Either something goes to sleep/powersave (although keyboard activity does not prevent stuttering) or... dunno? Maybe pulseaudio? |
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| 09:07.49 | changeguy | what is a backport |
| 09:08.12 | keel | nabblet: try without pulseaudio, see if it makes a difference |
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| 09:11.36 | nabblet | changeguy: http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 09:11.56 | keel | nabblet: pulseaudio might respawn automatically, append "autospawn = no" to ~/.config/pulse/client.conf to prevent that |
| 09:12.00 | nabblet | changeguy: basically you use the newer versions from testing or even experimental in your stable debian |
| 09:12.30 | nabblet | keel: so i edit the conf and then sudo kill pulse? |
| 09:12.42 | changeguy | can i use wheezy versions in squeeze? |
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| 09:14.21 | nabblet | keel: ok, autospawn = no was already set in /etc/pulse/client.conf (not have a conf in ~) |
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| 09:14.51 | keel | nabblet: iirc, you can /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop if you run pulseaudio systemwide or pulseaudio -k if you run it in your session |
| 09:15.19 | nabblet | keel: interestingly ps -A | grep pulse does not return anything, so is it already stopped? |
| 09:15.41 | keel | nabblet: yes |
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| 09:16.36 | nabblet | keel: hm, i did sudo service pulseaudio start - to see if it makes a difference |
| 09:16.45 | nabblet | keel: since it seems i had pulse off all the time |
| 09:16.54 | nabblet | sudo service pulseaudio start |
| 09:16.54 | nabblet | [warn] PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions ... (warning). |
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| 09:17.22 | wed | changeguy, You can try, but be prepared for pain, and don't complain afterwards |
| 09:17.25 | nabblet | ps -A | grep pulse still does not return anything Oo |
| 09:17.54 | keel | nabblet: so all this time pulseaudio was not running and your video playback stuttered? |
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| 09:19.04 | nabblet | keel: appears so... but maybe something is messed up here. sudo service pulseaudio start seems to start pulse (giving me the per session warning) but i can't see it with ps -A |
| 09:19.36 | cyzz | pulse..... |
| 09:19.38 | keel | nabblet: in any case, if you want to experiment with pulseaudio, just "pulseaudio --start" to start, and "pulseaudio -k" to kill |
| 09:20.02 | nabblet | keel: ah! the --start did the trick |
| 09:20.37 | nabblet | keel: sudo service pulseaudio status |
| 09:20.38 | nabblet | [warn] PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions ... (warning). |
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| 09:20.52 | nabblet | but now ps -A returns pulse |
| 09:21.00 | keel | nabblet: mplayer usually is pretty verbose with playback issues, heavy video files usually result in mplayer saying something like "your cpu is too slow to play this video", did anything like that show up? |
| 09:21.50 | nabblet | keel: i used mplayer for all kinds of tests already. there was no complaint about performance. |
| 09:22.22 | nabblet | keel: the only thing it complains is that there is no pulse, so it goes with alsa (not now, since pulse is activated) |
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| 09:23.44 | nabblet | keel: I'm playing a mp3 with mplayer. My system is so idle, it throttles down to 800 MHz eventually... |
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| 09:24.14 | nabblet | keel: also flawless playback worked with ubuntu i'm sure (but that was ~ 1 year ago or so) |
| 09:24.42 | nabblet | keel: trying a debian based mint from live usb-stick had the same problems. Hm, let me try a video. |
| 09:25.02 | nabblet | Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders |
| 09:25.03 | nabblet | libavcodec version 53.35.0 (external) |
| 09:25.04 | nabblet | Mismatching header version 53.32.2 |
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| 09:28.28 | keel | nabblet: some people have sound stutter issues on think/ideapads when resuming from sleep mode, does that apply to you? |
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| 09:30.16 | nabblet | keel: i don'T uses suspend/sleep since my battery just broke some time ago and didn't get a replacement |
| 09:30.50 | nabblet | keel: hm, i think aving pulse enabled prevents stuttering Oo |
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| 09:32.02 | nabblet | keel: let my try using vlc instead of mplayer to make double-check |
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| 09:33.09 | keel | nabblet: that's unusual heh, i always had stuttering audio with pulse enabled, until i tuned the buffer parameters ( see http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=44862 ) |
| 09:36.36 | nabblet | keel: yes. also, i think pulse is enabled by default, so I guess i must have disabled it some time ago for some reason... |
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| 09:39.34 | keel | nabblet: see /etc/default/pulseaudio to enable pulseaudio as a systemwide service |
| 09:39.51 | nabblet | keel: well, i just had a stutter... but is faaaar less than usual... |
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| 09:40.40 | changeguy | is there a way to format an sd card without loosing the data |
| 09:40.55 | nabblet | keel: out of interest, do you know a good read about alsa vs. pulse? what can pulse do what alsa can't? to me pulse seems just like an addition layer adding more complexity |
| 09:40.56 | changeguy | eg, i have a 8 gb fat32 and want to change it to 4gb fat and the rest ext3 |
| 09:41.04 | changeguy | without loosign data |
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| 09:41.43 | nabblet | changeguy: you mean reformat from one file system to another? |
| 09:41.55 | changeguy | yea w/o loosing data |
| 09:42.03 | changeguy | ill just have to copy huh |
| 09:42.29 | nabblet | changeguy: yes, but i think ext2->ext3 and ext3->ext4 can be done on the fly... |
| 09:43.05 | nabblet | keel: awww, stutters with pulse too :( |
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| 09:43.32 | nabblet | it just stutters seldomly, but enough to annoy >( |
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| 09:43.47 | keel | nabblet: there is loads of info out there, i use pulseaudio because it does mixing (playing several sounds from multiple programs at one) and allows per-application volume settings, but there are a lot more cool features, shame it always gives me a headache when setting it up |
| 09:44.16 | keel | nabblet: check out the link on tuning the buffer and fragment size, i completely eliminated stutter with that method |
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| 09:45.06 | nabblet | keel: ok, let me try |
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| 09:48.27 | Damncold | hi all |
| 09:48.35 | Damncold | i have a nagios/omd question :> |
| 09:48.37 | Damncold | i want to install check_nwc_health in a omd site, but im wonderind about the output of the configure script : --with-nagios-user: nagios since there is no nagios user within the omd installation |
| 09:48.48 | Damncold | any ideas? |
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| 10:00.56 | nabblet | keel: i adapted pulse's buffer and fragemnt sizes, let me test |
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| 10:03.24 | nabblet | keel: accasional stuttering still happens as before |
| 10:03.29 | nabblet | *occasional |
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| 10:08.12 | Peter234 | I installed Debian on my Lenovo T520 Thinkpad and when I try to search for something or click on a link in iceweasel or any other browser, it takes like 5-10 seconds to open that page. |
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| 10:08.53 | nabblet | Peter234: maybe DNS resolving takes so much time? |
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| 10:09.55 | Peter234 | nabblet: Everything works fine in Win7. How can I fix it? |
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| 10:12.30 | nabblet | Peter234: well a common "problem" is that browsers try to prefer ipv6 - so they ask for IPv6 resolve, don't get a reply. Then ask for IPv4 resolve, get a reply and load website. There is a way to disable/de-prioritize ipv6 in firefox. don't know for chrome |
| 10:12.58 | nabblet | Peter234: do you use firefox too? |
| 10:13.03 | nabblet | Peter234: or only chromium |
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| 10:13.25 | nabblet | oh, sorry, i see, iceweasle |
| 10:13.30 | keel | nabblet: try again? it took me a few times to get it right, the sink device reported different buffer_size and fragment_size every time i started pulseaudio, also make sure you look at the right sink in the log, "pulseaudio default_fragment_size" in google also gives a lot of suggestions. if all that doesn't fix it, look into your soundcard driver, some need to be loaded with options to work properly |
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| 10:14.11 | nabblet | Peter234: have a look at this http://askubuntu.com/questions/9181/how-to-let-the-browser-prefer-ipv6-over-ipv4 |
| 10:14.28 | Peter234 | nabblet: yes, I have disabled ipv6 in iceweasel already |
| 10:14.39 | Peter234 | nabblet:Did not help |
| 10:15.07 | joaocfernandes | easy question is it possible on gnome 3 to assign a mouse key to do the same action then the Win key? |
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| 10:17.27 | nabblet | Peter234: hm, in that case i don't think i can help you much further. I'd try to find out if the delay is caused by network or by your software. What avg. times do you get when pinging? what's your DNS server? is you system under heavy load? do other internet activites (e.g. irc) take so much time too? |
| 10:17.40 | nabblet | keel: hm, ok. let me try again |
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| 10:18.55 | nabblet | keel: i get reported the same values again |
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| 10:19.02 | nabblet | ben@box:~$ grep device.buffering -m2 ~/pulseverbose.log |
| 10:19.02 | nabblet | I: [pulseaudio] sink.c: device.buffering.buffer_size = "65536" |
| 10:19.02 | nabblet | I: [pulseaudio] sink.c: device.buffering.fragment_size = "32768" |
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| 10:21.14 | aemquo | Does debian provide package groups? e.g. instead of installing zip/unzip/etc, you could just install group-compress or something like that? |
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| 10:21.57 | nabblet | aemquo: dependencies and meta-packages |
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| 10:23.33 | keel | nabblet: that should become default-fragments = 2, default-fragment-size-msec = 23 or 24, try maybe everything from 20-25 |
| 10:24.06 | nabblet | keel: that's what i have set |
| 10:24.36 | keel | nabblet: did you try other values in the same ballpark? |
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| 10:28.22 | unclezipper | It seems to have loaded a module called rtl8723ae instead |
| 10:28.26 | Asmooh | euhm... xorg.conf does not exist in Squeeze and Sid) do i need to create it? |
| 10:28.36 | nabblet | keel: hm, maybe pulse is a dead end... other option is something related to powersave or so... when i keep moving the mouse/touchpad i don't get stutters... |
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| 10:30.45 | keel | nabblet: hm yeah, anything in the logs perhaps? |
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| 10:32.28 | nabblet | keel: looked through them but didn't see anything - maybe have to active better log level or i overlooked something. |
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| 10:41.42 | nabblet | keel: argh, i'm fed up :/ Enough for today. Thank you for your kind and constant help. I think i can rule out pulse and buffer sizes as trouble maker. |
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| 10:42.46 | keel | nabblet: sorry it didn't work out, if you're up for it again: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto the driver options i mentioned, there's a link to many laptop models, gl :) |
| 10:43.09 | nabblet | keel: thank you very much |
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| 10:44.54 | nabblet | keel: FYI As of 2012, much of the information on this page is outdated. <- first sentence on the website (will be ok for wheezy though i think) |
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| 10:46.40 | keel | nabblet: oh good to know, the autodetection is pretty good in alsa, chances are it already loaded the right model |
| 10:47.17 | keel | nabblet: still, very weird that your mouse input effects the sound, some interrupt issue maybe? |
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| 10:50.09 | nabblet | keel: hm, yes ... maybe. it's quite weired. Also what confuses me is that keyboad activity does not have the same effect Oo |
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| 10:51.02 | hans_henrik | i kindof want to migrate to a new server.. and i want to keep everyone's username/password/UID/GID/homedir intact, not exactly sure how to go about doing that |
| 10:51.08 | Elirips | Hello. If I do an 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude safe-upgrade', I see what packages are going to be updated, but can I also make aptitude tell me why it wants to update those packages (yes, because they are newer, but I would like to now what was fixed)? |
| 10:52.08 | xand | hans_henrik: copy the relevent parts of /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and /home |
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| 10:52.40 | hans_henrik | xand, are you serious? |
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| 10:52.57 | keel | hans_henrik: and /etc/group |
| 10:53.09 | hans_henrik | that should be all? |
| 10:53.25 | xand | yes |
| 10:53.25 | FabianS | Not at all. |
| 10:53.43 | FabianS | You need to backup the data with the right options as well. |
| 10:53.53 | FabianS | (Unless you keep the data partition) |
| 10:54.08 | hans_henrik | i don't intend to, but something's come up, i g2g sorry |
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| 11:02.35 | aemquo | btw, debian wiki is down. |
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| 11:05.23 | andrew___ | hello |
| 11:05.34 | andrew___ | I tried to install debian |
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| 11:06.09 | neglesaks | ...waiting for 7.4 spins to hit the torrents |
| 11:06.28 | andrew___ | and it can't install the graphical user interface because it can't connect to any mirrors |
| 11:06.35 | andrew___ | but the internet is working |
| 11:07.51 | andrew___ | please, I need help |
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| 11:08.13 | neglesaks | did you ask to use network mirrir during setup? |
| 11:08.17 | Al3xG0 | W: GPG error: http://downloads.sourceforge.net all InRelease: The following signatures could not be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY CCC158AFC1289A29 |
| 11:08.48 | Al3xG0 | how to solve this problem? |
| 11:09.06 | andrew___ | neglesaks: I downloaded the cd, I installed....and after a while a message appears: for more packages and for GUI you need to select a mirror |
| 11:09.16 | Al3xG0 | vimel all drivers and audio hdmi on |
| 11:09.17 | andrew___ | neglesaks : no mirror works |
| 11:09.49 | neglesaks | andrew, you need to select YES in the dialogue choice during install which asks whether you wish to use a network mirror for updates etc. |
| 11:09.52 | neglesaks | check that you have done so |
| 11:10.15 | neglesaks | else, check your software sources |
| 11:10.31 | neglesaks | check that you have more softwar souirdes than your install media. else you need to manually add them. |
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| 11:11.06 | andrew___ | neglsesaks I have a formated drive, I have this problem during instalation |
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| 11:15.58 | Al3xG0 | W: GPG error: http://downloads.sourceforge.net all InRelease: The following signatures could not be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY CCC158AFC1289A29 how to solve this problem? |
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| 11:20.25 | iShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 11:22.14 | fritz` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.27 | iShapeShifter499 | when I upgraded to jessie from wheezy I noticed the icons changed from a gray to a brown theme in nautilus, is this part of the upgrade? |
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| 11:25.42 | iShapeShifter499 | anyone? |
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| 11:27.40 | nabblet | iShapeShifter499: is it a problem? |
| 11:27.58 | nabblet | iShapeShifter499: maybe they just changed the default theme? |
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| 11:28.04 | babilen | iShapeShifter499: Also note that jessie is specifically supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 11:28.15 | babilen | nabblet: That would be my assumption too |
| 11:28.30 | vimel | Al3xG0: cool |
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| 11:28.36 | vimel | im off gn |
| 11:28.40 | iShapeShifter499 | it's not a problem just wondered |
| 11:29.10 | iShapeShifter499 | I kind of liked the wheezy theme |
| 11:30.12 | nabblet | iShapeShifter499: well, i guess the weezy theme is still there - ask in #debian-next as babilen said |
| 11:30.38 | Al3xG0 | vimel all drivers on |
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| 11:32.27 | iShapeShifter499 | nabblet ok |
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| 11:35.09 | Al3xG0 | as the default install firefox without being compiled by iceweasel |
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| 11:35.29 | babilen | Al3xG0: Please don't cross post. |
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| 11:49.30 | Yawin | Hi, I have a little problem with my debian |
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| 11:53.52 | rgr | ok it seems thats all tied in with caribou. |
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| 11:56.14 | oo_miguel | I just configure mutt to access my gmail account, the only problem is that the messages do not get updatadet before I do something in the mutt windows ? Any Idea why this can be? |
| 11:57.04 | Yawin | My problem is: I'm installing a dancer-ircd server, but when i'm trying to install dancer-services my apt says that this package don't exist and i don't know how to find |
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| 12:03.58 | fritz` | try aptitude search dancer |
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| 12:10.42 | iShapeShifter499 | does anyone know why the "removable devices" is gone from the notifications bar in gnome 3.8? |
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| 12:15.48 | LordDeath | I just got some updates for libc6, apache2 and openssl |
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| 12:16.02 | LordDeath | those aren't security updates? |
| 12:16.54 | hans_henrik | LordDeath, if you got them via stable / oldstable main repo, yeah |
| 12:16.59 | hans_henrik | those are* |
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| 12:19.10 | Guest66200 | I had problems with my internet, so I called the ISP. They fixes my problem, but said to me that at every OS installation I need to change my physicall adress manually, for internet working. |
| 12:19.26 | Guest66200 | I have the physical adress writed on a paper |
| 12:19.31 | maroloccio | how to echo the core # a bash script is running on? |
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| 12:19.55 | Guest66200 | Now, I try to install Debian from: goodbye-mircrosoft.com |
| 12:20.04 | LordDeath | hans_henrik: I think it was this https://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/2014/02/msg00000.html |
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| 12:20.21 | Guest66200 | All the time, it works. But now, it can't connect to the mirrors |
| 12:20.36 | Guest66200 | How can I change the mac from installation? |
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| 12:21.24 | cyzz | ifconfig hw |
| 12:21.49 | nabblet | Guest66200: hm, maybe install just the basic system without internet connection, then change the mac adress and then run the updates & install the rest of the OS |
| 12:21.57 | wiiguy | hello, i have a android stick wherei could istall debian on(wich i did before, with a usb to rj-45), but it did not work |
| 12:22.01 | wiiguy | how can i fix it ? |
| 12:22.11 | nabblet | Guest66200: don't know if you can cahnge the mac address during install |
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| 12:22.31 | nabblet | Guest66200: other solution, if you have an other computer, is to use the second computer as gateway |
| 12:22.39 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | what the fuck is with gnome people that they are so fucking arrogant? |
| 12:22.39 | Guest66200 | nabblet I have acces to the shell, but it don't understand my comands |
| 12:22.56 | nabblet | Guest66200: internet <-> computer with correc hardware address <-> computer for linxu install |
| 12:23.03 | nabblet | Guest66200: ah ok |
| 12:23.08 | abrotman | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 12:23.29 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | abrotman: yes, I need glade3.8 in debian |
| 12:23.50 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | I want to contribute to GTK2.x project |
| 12:23.59 | abrotman | isn't sure what that has to do with the previous comment .. |
| 12:24.07 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | what way do I take if I want to avoid compiling glade myself? |
| 12:24.15 | abrotman | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: which version of Linux are you using? |
| 12:24.16 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | abrotman: bugs.debian.org/638478#64 |
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| 12:24.22 | Guest66200 | nablet : sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop , sudo vi/etc/network/interfaces, hwadress ether my mac here, sudo /etc/init.d/networkng start |
| 12:24.25 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | abrotman: wheezy |
| 12:24.31 | wiiguy | hello, i have a android stick wherei could istall debian on(wich i did before, with a usb to rj-45), but it did not work(the connection(it keps trying to connect and thne say"conection broken")), what can i do ? |
| 12:24.33 | themill | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: you could try to see if an older glade from snapshot.debian.org works. It probably doesn't. |
| 12:24.43 | Guest66200 | nablet : It don't understand sudo, vi, etc. |
| 12:24.52 | nabblet | Guest66200: ah ok, don't worry, gimme a sec |
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| 12:25.17 | cyzz | http://casualprogrammer.blogspot.de/2011/12/how-to-change-mac-address-under-linux.html |
| 12:25.40 | Guest66200 | cyzz, I know....but it don't understand the commands |
| 12:25.54 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | themill: glade3.8 source package is not available? was never packaged although it is the latest gtk2 (still bugfixed) release http://snapshot.debian.org/package/glade/ |
| 12:25.55 | Guest66200 | cyzz , cause Debian is not installed, I want to install |
| 12:25.58 | nabblet | Guest66200: ok, first of 'sudo' is used to get root rights (= admin rights) |
| 12:26.08 | cyzz | k |
| 12:26.22 | themill | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: then you're out of luck |
| 12:26.23 | Guest66200 | nabblet I tried without sudot, nothing changed |
| 12:26.25 | nabblet | Guest66200: vi is a text file editor, it is a bit strage to use if you don't know but i will help you |
| 12:26.31 | maroloccio | on #bash, they told me echoing the core# is "not a bash question, ask your os channel" (fair enough, i agree), if it's not debian-specific, where would i ask for "linux specific"? or is it answerable in #debian? |
| 12:26.41 | Agiofws | hello |
| 12:26.43 | nabblet | Guest66200: yes, because without sudo you don't have the needed permissions |
| 12:26.44 | Agiofws | is there any way i can protect STYLE formating in a document in LIBREoffice ? |
| 12:26.58 | nkuttler | maroloccio: the core what? |
| 12:26.58 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | yeah, these shortsighted gnome people are turning everything to shit |
| 12:27.10 | themill | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: are you volunteering to do the work? |
| 12:27.18 | maroloccio | nkuttler: the core #: core0, core1, core2, ... |
| 12:27.26 | themill | maroloccio: a bash script won't run on a single core -- it will flip between cores and every time it spawns a new process, that would quite probably be on a different core itself |
| 12:27.34 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | I'm volunteering to beat some common sense into them |
| 12:27.36 | nkuttler | maroloccio: cpu core? beats me.. |
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| 12:27.51 | nabblet | Guest66200: for now, we will just temporarily change the hardware address, ok? |
| 12:28.00 | nabblet | Guest66200: later we will make the change permanent |
| 12:28.02 | themill | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: debian works by volunteers spending time on things that interest them. |
| 12:28.13 | Guest66200 | nabblet , ok |
| 12:28.44 | FabianS | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: You're free to provide the community with a glade package of your choice. |
| 12:29.14 | maroloccio | themill: not if the script only uses bash keywords and built-ins, like: for((i=0;i<n;i++);do echo something "$i" "$RANDOM" etc; done ... |
| 12:29.39 | themill | maroloccio: that is still likely to bounce between cores |
| 12:29.49 | nabblet | Guest66200: first, run 'sudo ifconfig | grep Link' |
| 12:30.15 | nabblet | Guest66200: so we can see what interfaces you have in order to know, what interface needs the mac address you have |
| 12:30.26 | Guest66200 | nabblet , but during installation it don't understand sudo |
| 12:30.38 | maroloccio | themill: surprising. can you write a snippet that proves it? echo is a shell builtin remember |
| 12:30.41 | nabblet | Guest66200: ok, try without sudo |
| 12:31.01 | Guest66200 | nabblet , oh ...sorry....I understood do that under installation |
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| 12:32.32 | nabblet | Guest66200: as you wish |
| 12:32.34 | Guest66200 | nabble , I see Ip, mac, dns, gateway.... |
| 12:32.42 | Guest66200 | nabblet |
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| 12:32.45 | nabblet | Guest66200: yes |
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| 12:33.12 | nabblet | Guest66200: ok, to clarify things. are you currently in installaciton process? or is the installation finished but you only haave command line? |
| 12:33.28 | nabblet | either case is OK |
| 12:33.33 | maroloccio | where do i ask linuxy stuff that is not debian-specific? |
| 12:33.40 | themill | maroloccio: You don't even need to write a shell script to do that. run something that shows what cores are busy (like htop) and then "cat /dev/zero > /dev/null" in another terminal. You'll see that the busy process moves from core to core |
| 12:33.41 | keel | maroloccio: man taskset |
| 12:33.43 | nabblet | maroloccio: ##linux |
| 12:33.50 | cyzz | ##program |
| 12:33.58 | nabblet | maroloccio: also ##bash for bash specific |
| 12:34.03 | Guest66200 | I am under windows , now I ma searching for the interface nabblet |
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| 12:34.23 | iShapeShifter499 | nabblet do you happen to have an answer to my question? |
| 12:34.24 | nabblet | Guest66200: oh, ok wait a second! So you computer is running windows now? |
| 12:34.30 | cyzz | jesus.... you need a new mac 4 install ? :D cmon |
| 12:34.34 | maroloccio | nabblet: maybe #bash, not ##bash? |
| 12:34.40 | Guest66200 | nabblet yes |
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| 12:35.09 | nabblet | iShapeShifter499: about the removable devices? no, sorry, i don't even use gnome... |
| 12:35.18 | nabblet | maroloccio: maybe, could be |
| 12:35.35 | nabblet | Guest66200: ok, and you want to install debian on that computer too? |
| 12:35.44 | nabblet | Guest66200: so that you have windows and debian on the computer? |
| 12:35.50 | iShapeShifter499 | nabblet ah |
| 12:36.08 | zarey | dual boot? |
| 12:36.26 | cyzz | and try to backdoor the mac-filter :) |
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| 12:36.59 | Guest66200 | nabblet I have only windows. I want to install debian. But I do not know how to change the mac for making the internet working. And Debian needs internet for downloading packages. |
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| 12:37.26 | nabblet | Guest66200: ok, that makes many things clearer to me. Are you new to Linux? |
| 12:37.38 | afsal | how to read malayalam (Indian language) in terminal |
| 12:37.44 | cyzz | $ ifdown eth0 |
| 12:37.44 | cyzz | $ ifconfig eth0 hw ether 01:02:03:04:05:06 |
| 12:37.45 | cyzz | $ ifup eth0 |
| 12:37.54 | cyzz | if you want this mac |
| 12:38.06 | Guest66200 | nabblet not very new. I had linux in the past time |
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| 12:38.55 | cyzz | change it permanent /etc/default/interfaces |
| 12:39.27 | zarey | Guest66200: did you tried boot your computer with connected LAN cabel to your router / internet? |
| 12:39.27 | Guest66200 | cyzz I have to do this during installation, cause installation needs internet |
| 12:39.30 | nkuttler | afsal: you need to install the font and use programs that can display it |
| 12:39.34 | cyzz | np |
| 12:39.47 | Guest66200 | zarey yes |
| 12:40.07 | nkuttler | afsal: apt-cache search malayalam |
| 12:40.26 | nabblet | Guest66200: no, you don't need. unless you use the minimal install iso, the install media will bring everything it needs for a basic system. so you isntall the basic system and get it running. after that you change the mac and go for the rest of the updates and software |
| 12:40.40 | nkuttler | afsal: task-malayalam looks promising |
| 12:41.06 | Guest66200 | nabblet I tried goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 12:41.07 | cyzz | nabblet: ! cant better explain ;) |
| 12:41.14 | keel | fonts-mlym - Meta package to install all Malayalam fonts |
| 12:41.33 | nkuttler | or that |
| 12:41.55 | nkuttler | how do those task packages work anyway? i just see task-malayalam only recommends aspell-ml, that's all |
| 12:42.08 | nabblet | Guest66200: just out of curiosity... what linux experience do you already have? |
| 12:42.16 | nkuttler | always thought tasks depended on packages they need.. |
| 12:42.35 | afsal | nkuttler: i want use malayalam in terminal |
| 12:42.49 | nkuttler | afsal: install fonts-mlym |
| 12:42.51 | Guest66200 | nabblet debian for 5 months, installed from goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 12:42.57 | nabblet | Guest66200: i want to know, so that i can give you help in the correct way. if i throw the correct commands at you but you don't know how to use them, they are not of much help to you, aren't they? |
| 12:43.18 | zarey | yea, true indeed nabblet |
| 12:43.20 | nkuttler | afsal: or be more specific. do you want to display chars, input them, use them in a specific program, etc.. |
| 12:43.46 | Guest66200 | nabblet, BRB. I try the method of cyzz |
| 12:44.09 | zarey | you might need to start to learn to install the iso into USB or burn it into CD\DVD |
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| 12:44.22 | afsal | nkuttler: Yes I'm creating a cli english-malayalam dictionary in C. So I want dispaly meaning in malayalam in terminal |
| 12:44.23 | cyzz | Guest66200: try to install linux frist and setup all you see whatever happen |
| 12:44.31 | nkuttler | afsal: 1. install the font |
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| 12:44.39 | nabblet | Guest66200: ok :) |
| 12:44.53 | zarey | good luck :) |
| 12:45.01 | afsal | nkuttler: installed |
| 12:45.06 | nabblet | is http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ somethink like that wubi installer from ubuntu? |
| 12:45.17 | cyzz | if your install crash/freeze/whatever... next try |
| 12:46.10 | nabblet | huh? |
| 12:46.16 | zarey | yea, i guess so nabblet |
| 12:46.32 | zarey | i never tried that one before |
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| 12:47.10 | nabblet | me neither, didn't even know it existed... also i disliked wubi when i tried it. using a live usb stick so much clearer... even for first-contact |
| 12:47.18 | nabblet | imho |
| 12:47.44 | nabblet | Guest66200: still here? |
| 12:47.45 | zarey | yea, same with me |
| 12:48.05 | cad__ | hey guys, I tried to use these steps https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary to get hardware accelleration working on this laptop (should be an HD 4250). |
| 12:48.09 | nabblet | Guest66200: just to make sure: do you knwo about partitioning? so in case you want to keep your windows install side by side with linux |
| 12:48.21 | cad__ | now it won't boot past a point, I'm in recovery now |
| 12:48.22 | zarey | live usb much better because you can learn how to install either via cli or gui |
| 12:48.23 | afsal | nkuttler: installed |
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| 12:49.16 | keel | afsal: also check #smc-project here on freenode |
| 12:49.31 | zarey | just be caution Guest66200, if you do cli partition, you might come across with GPT or MBR terms |
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| 12:50.04 | cyzz | btw. NetworkManager can change MAC onthefly |
| 12:50.30 | nabblet | zarey: yes, i' afraid that he doesn't really know what he's doing (didn't know sudo and vi commands) - i see him running into an open knife :/ |
| 12:50.45 | cyzz | pffff |
| 12:50.46 | nkuttler | afsal: which terminal do you use? |
| 12:50.57 | cyzz | he want linux! |
| 12:50.59 | cyzz | :) |
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| 12:51.14 | zarey | i hope he/she will doing well, after all mistake is a good teacher :) |
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| 12:51.49 | zarey | did you told Guest66200 to do some backup before doing all of those things? |
| 12:52.02 | cyzz | me? |
| 12:52.10 | zarey | i mean nabblet |
| 12:52.24 | nabblet | zarey: well, if your first time experience is, that linux is hard aand that i will nuke windows (with all his data, and ofc there is no backup) then the only lesson learned might be to avoid linux :/ |
| 12:52.32 | nkuttler | afsal: fwiw, i can display the font fine in gnome-terminal, but apparently no font renders in xterm/urxvt |
| 12:53.00 | nabblet | zarey: no |
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| 12:53.39 | nabblet | zarey: first it sounded like he knew what he was doing, just later it dawned on me that he has less clue than i thought |
| 12:53.43 | zarey | nabblet: oh my, i just remember how frustrated am I when I was first time tried install distro linux |
| 12:54.03 | cyzz | :) |
| 12:54.08 | cyzz | good old times |
| 12:54.14 | keel | frustrated? it was a magical adventure |
| 12:54.17 | nabblet | zarey: yeah, talk to me... my first experience was gentoo... still wonder why i kept on using linux Oo |
| 12:54.21 | nabblet | XD |
| 12:54.26 | zarey | yea, :) |
| 12:54.40 | zarey | it was, and it is good experience |
| 12:55.14 | zarey | i am planning to do Linux From Scratch (LFS) when I got enough time later |
| 12:55.18 | nabblet | i was like "Yeah, i want to learn about comuputers and linux. How do i start? " "here use gentoo"... i had NO clue about computers back then. Didn't even know what compiling was. |
| 12:55.51 | cyzz | lsf... debian is a real solid base |
| 12:56.13 | zarey | Me too, back then, I don't even know what was the meaning of those commands |
| 12:56.28 | cyzz | i switched form gentoo this year |
| 12:56.42 | zarey | cyzz: it is true, but lsf can teach you the foundation of the linux itself |
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| 12:56.49 | cyzz | sure |
| 12:57.13 | nabblet | i think gentoo is pretty much a learning experience as lfs |
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| 12:57.30 | nabblet | but then, debian can be too :P |
| 12:57.35 | cyzz | nice to custom |
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| 12:57.59 | zarey | yeap, that's true :) |
| 12:58.29 | zarey | in fact, so far, for me debian is the most stable linux i ever come across |
| 12:58.29 | cyzz | apt is like holidays |
| 12:58.36 | cyzz | love it |
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| 13:00.25 | fritz` | I like it because the fast speed in update and the apt. |
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| 13:01.06 | zarey | my experience with apt quite different though |
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| 13:01.18 | zarey | i guess my mirror not so good .. |
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| 13:01.50 | fritz` | wich mirror are you used! |
| 13:01.59 | zarey | cdn debian |
| 13:02.03 | cyzz | but, have to setup jessie/testing. bt and other stuff will not work on stable |
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| 13:02.15 | nabblet | cyzz: bt? |
| 13:02.16 | fritz` | most of the mirror is fast enought |
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| 13:02.27 | cyzz | bluetooth |
| 13:02.46 | zarey | i think maybe my ISP not quite good or just my bad luck |
| 13:02.57 | fritz` | try US or German mirror |
| 13:03.08 | zarey | okay, i will |
| 13:03.15 | cyzz | german will blow your modem! :D |
| 13:03.17 | nabblet | ah, zeh german mirrorz |
| 13:03.24 | TuxBrother | Any C developer around having some time? I'm trying to build a debian package |
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| 13:03.40 | you_are_my_boss | back. nabblet |
| 13:03.42 | zarey | oh my |
| 13:04.02 | you_are_my_boss | nabblet didn't work |
| 13:04.06 | zarey | how was your installation going? |
| 13:04.14 | nabblet | you_are_my_boss: are you Guest66200 ? |
| 13:04.21 | you_are_my_boss | nabblet yes |
| 13:04.37 | cyzz | \o/ |
| 13:04.39 | nabblet | you_are_my_boss: ok, so what did you do and where did it fail? |
| 13:04.41 | cyzz | ~~~~~ |
| 13:04.42 | apt | grrrr |
| 13:04.57 | you_are_my_boss | is it there an ISO which has Debian + GUI on tha image and do not need internet? |
| 13:05.00 | you_are_my_boss | nabblet |
| 13:05.11 | Asmooh | full dvd? |
| 13:05.14 | abrotman | yes, CD1 or DVD1 |
| 13:05.15 | nabblet | you_are_my_boss: yes |
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| 13:05.34 | you_are_my_boss | I tried CD1, it need mirrors for GUI |
| 13:05.44 | cyzz | yes |
| 13:05.51 | cyzz | what you need is dvd1 |
| 13:05.55 | abrotman | you_are_my_boss: no, you don't |
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| 13:06.11 | cyzz | ahhh |
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| 13:06.13 | cyzz | xfce |
| 13:06.20 | you_are_my_boss | abrotman, I tried yesterday. Without internet I can't install the GUI |
| 13:06.34 | abrotman | that's not true |
| 13:06.40 | cyzz | this could work @ one cd |
| 13:06.51 | you_are_my_boss | cyzz with dvd 1 I don't need internet? I wiil have GUI after installation? |
| 13:06.52 | nabblet | you_are_my_boss: it is asking you for mirror to updated the data during install. if there is no connection, install will go on, but with the "outdated" data. you have to updated after install then |
| 13:07.05 | cyzz | you_are_my_boss: just a moment |
| 13:07.13 | cyzz | what gui you want? |
| 13:07.21 | you_are_my_boss | cyzz doesen't matter |
| 13:07.25 | cyzz | hmmmm |
| 13:07.28 | you_are_my_boss | xfce |
| 13:07.36 | cyzz | ok |
| 13:07.40 | you_are_my_boss | or gnome |
| 13:07.48 | you_are_my_boss | but I read that gnome is slowly |
| 13:07.59 | cyzz | xfce was your choice |
| 13:08.01 | cyzz | ? |
| 13:08.05 | you_are_my_boss | yes |
| 13:08.17 | cyzz | xfce needs inet? |
| 13:08.45 | you_are_my_boss | nabblet I tried yesterday CD1. Asked me for select a mirror, than the error. After this, I reboot and I had the Debian installed but without GUI |
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| 13:09.03 | fritz` | you can try fvwm,it works good. |
| 13:09.14 | nabblet | you_are_my_boss: yes, that is ok. you still can go for the GUI later |
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| 13:09.34 | nabblet | you_are_my_boss: do you still have that debian install withouth GUI on your computer? |
| 13:09.39 | zarey | i heard debian was planning to use xfce as default GUI for the next release |
| 13:09.59 | you_are_my_boss | nabblet no, I have an USB made for that |
| 13:10.32 | neglesaks | GUI is included per default on all spinds of debian, be it the CD or DVD isos |
| 13:10.35 | cyzz | you_are_my_boss: you have a usbstick which boots a debian ....wheezy maybe |
| 13:10.38 | neglesaks | and you only need disk 1 of either for it |
| 13:10.44 | you_are_my_boss | cyzz yes |
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| 13:11.36 | you_are_my_boss | neglesaks I tried, without internet I had only Debian without GUI |
| 13:11.41 | cyzz | but why you need a specific mac? |
| 13:12.06 | zarey | static ip i guess? |
| 13:12.15 | cyzz | Oo |
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| 13:12.53 | you_are_my_boss | cyzz beacuse I had problems with my internet and my ISP said to me that at every OS installation, I have to change the mac. If I don't change the mac, the internet is not working |
| 13:13.00 | you_are_my_boss | I don't know why |
| 13:13.13 | cyzz | ok |
| 13:13.28 | cyzz | and this commands do not work? |
| 13:13.38 | cyzz | ifdown and so on |
| 13:13.53 | nabblet | you_are_my_boss: ok, install Debian, without gui. then boot to it, change your mac adress and then install the gui and updates from internet |
| 13:13.57 | you_are_my_boss | cyzz no, it says "sh undefined..." |
| 13:14.03 | cyzz | Oo |
| 13:14.39 | cyzz | where did you get your install iso |
| 13:14.40 | you_are_my_boss | nabblet and how I cand install Gui after that? I am newbie....without internet I am lost |
| 13:15.09 | you_are_my_boss | cyzz it is an online installing |
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| 13:15.10 | neglesaks | always download from debian.org, or using torrents with a verified md5 sum |
| 13:15.16 | nabblet | uhm, what's the packages fro fully blown xfce desktop install for apt? |
| 13:15.25 | nabblet | xfce-desktop ? |
| 13:15.28 | cyzz | destination? |
| 13:16.02 | you_are_my_boss | cyzz goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 13:16.09 | cyzz | yesus |
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| 13:16.19 | cyzz | j* |
| 13:16.29 | cyzz | ok |
| 13:16.54 | fritz` | i think you need some softwork like pppoe-config. |
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| 13:17.56 | you_are_my_boss | so.... |
| 13:18.05 | you_are_my_boss | what can I do? |
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| 13:19.22 | fritz` | when i install debian the first time,i meet the problem before |
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| 13:20.42 | fritz` | and i ued router to get the DHCP ip |
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| 13:20.50 | fritz` | the problem it gone. |
| 13:21.04 | you_are_my_boss | fritz' I am not using a router |
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| 13:22.44 | fritz` | the ISO in cd1 do not include the softwoke to get the ISP |
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| 13:22.57 | you_are_my_boss | btw, I will try with the DVD1 |
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| 13:23.10 | you_are_my_boss | thanks all for your help |
| 13:23.11 | fritz` | so you should download on other computer. |
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| 13:24.01 | doebi_web | hey ho |
| 13:24.13 | fritz` | I use pppoe in china,so i don't known whic softwork you need. |
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| 13:25.28 | doebi_web | i am currently installing wheezy from CD and selected 'create encrypted LVM' now it is taking ages to rease data on disk. is that normal? |
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| 13:26.53 | abrotman | to rease ? |
| 13:27.05 | doebi_web | mhm |
| 13:27.09 | abrotman | erase |
| 13:27.29 | doebi_web | yeah only 4% so far and its been quite a while |
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| 13:27.54 | doebi_web | disk is a 250GB Samsung 840 SSD |
| 13:28.52 | nullfaith | doebi_web: Yes it is normal. |
| 13:29.09 | nullfaith | It takes me forever with my 120gb 840 pro. |
| 13:29.12 | Agiofws | hello |
| 13:29.14 | Agiofws | is there any way i can protect STYLE formating in a document in LIBREoffice ? |
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| 13:30.08 | doebi_web | nullfaith: meh, is it only taking that long for erasing or for any operation once its encrypted? |
| 13:30.17 | galex-713 | Hello |
| 13:30.29 | galex-713 | I’m trying to convert a MOV video to WEBM format |
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| 13:30.54 | galex-713 | It seems gstreamer is doing it wrong, as neither mplayer, vlc or totem can read it. |
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| 13:31.14 | galex-713 | Since It was long to run all the oggconvert instance, I’m trying to do it in cli |
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| 13:32.12 | galex-713 | I tried with “avconv -i file.mov file.webm” but it didn’t work: <https://paste.galex-713.eu/?232821a365e3d1f7#CcN0kVQ5zVMFNZpy4RV5e20GFF1rvbFewp+acqLQKdw=> |
| 13:32.47 | galex-713 | What did I do wrong? |
| 13:33.05 | maroloccio | ended up converting to c and using int sched_getcpu(void); |
| 13:34.13 | doebi_web | galex-713: Automatic encoder selection failed for output stream #0:0. Default encoder for format webm is probably disabled. Please choose an encoder manually. |
| 13:34.16 | nullfaith | doebi_web: Just for that one part, after you set the elvm up you are good. |
| 13:34.28 | doebi_web | nullfaith: oh, great thanks! |
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| 13:36.36 | Natsum | hi guys, is it posible to run steam on debian stable? |
| 13:37.59 | doebi_web | Natsum: yes |
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| 13:41.42 | galex-713 | doebi_web: I saw that, but I don’t know why it’s disabled, and how to enable it |
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| 13:53.32 | johnakabean | does the default repository have any package with net tools for wake on lan, port scanning, etc? |
| 13:53.39 | maroloccio | gnu parallel is a 2009 version on stable? why? advice? (install from backports testing?) |
| 13:54.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell johnakabean about search |
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| 13:54.47 | johnakabean | ty abrotman but im using apt-cache search and coming up with nothing; im sure the bot is going to be just as "apple friendly" |
| 13:55.22 | johnakabean | im sorry I mean "windoze friendly" |
| 13:56.03 | abrotman | johnakabean: what are you searching for? |
| 13:56.51 | johnakabean | just standard network tools; i think i just saw some in my shell......looking for some for port scan, packet mangling, etc |
| 13:56.59 | abrotman | what command are you typing .. |
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| 13:57.14 | johnakabean | apt-cache search net tools |
| 13:57.25 | abrotman | and that has zero results? |
| 13:57.48 | johnakabean | no it is just a lot to sort through; any better way to use apt-cache search? |
| 13:57.58 | themill | johnakabean: you might like to be more precise too like searching for "wake on lan" or "port scan" |
| 13:58.00 | abrotman | johnakabean: so perhaps be more specific? |
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| 13:58.28 | abrotman | johnakabean: apt-cache search is a full text search on the package description |
| 13:58.39 | johnakabean | net-tools this package doesnt show any description thats descriptive |
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| 13:59.10 | abrotman | johnakabean: Did you ignore what themill said? |
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| 14:01.45 | abrotman | johnakabean: if you know more precisely what you're looking for, use those search terms .. such as "apt-cache search WOL" or "apt-cache search port scan" |
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| 14:02.35 | user2 | sudo aptitude install porn |
| 14:02.37 | user2 | clear |
| 14:02.41 | user2 | exit |
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| 14:03.19 | dvs | !exit |
| 14:03.19 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 14:03.53 | neglesaks | !nuclear_launch_detected |
| 14:04.11 | user2 | just kidding guys |
| 14:05.04 | johnakabean | great, it installed wireshared, not what i was looking for |
| 14:05.12 | johnakabean | wireshark |
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| 14:06.11 | abrotman | it didn't install anything, you did |
| 14:06.17 | user2 | has someone managed to install debian on a Macbook, without reffit? |
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| 14:08.47 | johnakabean | is x11-common required for gdm? |
| 14:09.09 | abrotman | Is it a dependency? |
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| 14:09.22 | johnakabean | yeah or does it need to run for the gui? |
| 14:10.52 | johnakabean | and why isnt the "networking" service running on ANY runlevel? |
| 14:11.02 | johnakabean | network works though |
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| 14:14.09 | \shawn_ | yo |
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| 14:14.17 | \shawn_ | what should i put in my virtual machine |
| 14:14.36 | abrotman | Debian? |
| 14:14.53 | \shawn_ | debian in actual machine already |
| 14:14.54 | xmj | dos 6.22 |
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| 14:16.04 | dvs | smacks xmj |
| 14:17.01 | johnakabean | ill take x11-common as BREAKING gnome :) i had service started and gdm panicked |
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| 14:17.57 | johnakabean | "oh no something has gone wrong....all extensions have been disabled" |
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| 14:18.25 | johnakabean | "captain, iceburg ahead!!" |
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| 14:25.49 | selvodka | how to start a gui process in a remote machine? |
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| 14:26.05 | xmj | dvs: some questions deserve answers like that. |
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| 14:28.16 | DanteLA | How do I make apt display versions of the packages it asks to install? |
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| 14:29.20 | selvodka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:29.26 | selvodka | via ssh |
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| 14:29.33 | DanteLA | ok -V |
| 14:30.04 | DanteLA | selvodka: 'ssh -X' from client to server |
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| 14:30.44 | selvodka | but then the gui will be in the client |
| 14:30.50 | selvodka | not the server |
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| 14:31.37 | johnakabean | you have to enable x11 forwarding and then connect through xdmcp |
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| 14:31.51 | rabbitear_sdf | but then server won't serve any more clients, *brakes out in tears* |
| 14:31.53 | johnakabean | xmdcp or i cant remember the acronym |
| 14:32.29 | johnakabean | ughh i had several users connected on separate desktops on same machine |
| 14:32.41 | rabbitear_sdf | xmtmg |
| 14:32.54 | DanteLA | Is it possible to install a single package (and its possible dependencies) from sid / debian unstable ? |
| 14:33.12 | doebi_web | DanteLA: yes |
| 14:33.23 | DanteLA | doebi_web: Where could I find instructions? |
| 14:33.43 | DanteLA | If I just add unstable reps in apt-sources I think all packages will be unstalbe |
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| 14:33.57 | selvodka | thx johnakabean |
| 14:34.17 | Guest32737 | Add ub |
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| 14:34.28 | selvodka | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ssh.html |
| 14:34.34 | selvodka | right? |
| 14:35.02 | doebi_web | DanteLA: google: http://linuxaria.com/howto/how-to-install-a-single-package-from-debian-sid-or-debian-testing?lang=en |
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| 14:35.34 | Guest32737 | Add unstable repo, update and install your app,then restore your source.list and update again |
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| 14:36.16 | dvs | Guest32737: That's a horrible idea |
| 14:37.11 | Guest32737 | DVs, why is tat? |
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| 14:37.42 | dvs | Guest32737: You'll pull in the base libraries for unstable which means you'll essentiallly be running unstable at that point. |
| 14:38.12 | grok0 | DanteLA, https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 14:38.41 | abrotman | please don't do that |
| 14:38.46 | abrotman | DanteLA: which package do you want? |
| 14:39.06 | abrotman | Pinning usually results in crying, it's a horrible plan |
| 14:39.23 | Guest32737 | Dvs , I see. |
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| 14:40.19 | DanteLA | abrotman: clang |
| 14:40.49 | DanteLA | I added debina unstable and tried to get clang, I am a bit worried that the newer deps will replace old deps and break system |
| 14:41.01 | abrotman | it will break your system, yes |
| 14:41.19 | abrotman | Do you really need the newer version ? |
| 14:41.38 | DanteLA | Yes, it supports a feature I need |
| 14:41.53 | abrotman | DanteLA: you can try to backport it yourself, but I wouldn't be hopefuly |
| 14:41.55 | abrotman | hopeful |
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| 14:42.45 | abrotman | dpkg: tell DanteLA about ssb |
| 14:42.53 | DanteLA | My previus linux experience is with Gentoo, usually installing certain packages unstable worked there just fine |
| 14:43.09 | DanteLA | I don't remember it actually ever breaking the system |
| 14:43.12 | vpelletier | hi. I wrote an init script to assemble a dmcache device, and have problems getting it to exectute at the right time during boot: checkfs.sh complains that the resulting block device is not present, although my script has X-Start-Before: checkfs |
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| 14:43.20 | abrotman | DanteLA: it doesn't work quite the same with Debian |
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| 14:45.12 | vpelletier | ls rcS.d shows my script is at S11 and checkfs at S12, S10 being lvm (cache underlying block devices are themselve provided by lvm, just to make it harder to mix them up by giving them readable names) |
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| 14:46.00 | vpelletier | also, is there a log file for boot messages (not kernel messages like dmesg, but init mssages) |
| 14:46.34 | abrotman | dpkg: tell vpelletier about bootlog |
| 14:46.47 | hans_henrik | setting up a new crappy box, it has a "single core VIA Nano U2250 @ 1.6GHz with 2GB ram", thats all i know.. just wondering, should i be using debian 6 or 7 for this box, with a crappy CPU? |
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| 14:47.24 | dvs | hans_henrik: Debian 7 |
| 14:47.36 | vpelletier | abrotman: if it's /var/log/boot, its content its literally "(nothing has been logged yet.)" |
| 14:47.41 | galex-713 | <galex-713> doebi_web: I saw that, but I don’t know why it’s disabled, and how to enable it |
| 14:47.54 | galex-713 | Was I already disconnected when posting that? |
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| 14:53.33 | johnakabean | err I need a python module that Ive found in noarch.rpm.......how can I install an RPM on debian - seeing as it is noarch? |
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| 14:55.22 | gms_ | hi all, I wonder if it's enough to use "apt-get dist-upgrade" to catch up with recent upgrades and debian releases ? |
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| 14:56.59 | dvs | gms_: Yeah, that's enough |
| 14:57.22 | gms_ | dvs: okay, thanks ! |
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| 14:58.54 | LordDeath | in jessie is xfce still the default desktop or did they switched it back to gnome again? |
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| 15:05.23 | abrotman | LordDeath: Does it really matter? Install the one you want |
| 15:05.27 | CaptainPorn | http://www.captain-porn.com/ |
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| 15:09.23 | vpelletier | looks like it's bootpar which is messing up, reverting to sequential boot works just fine |
| 15:09.52 | vpelletier | there must be some conflicting/too vague dependency somewhere |
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| 15:12.00 | vpelletier | s/bootpar/startpar/ |
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| 15:16.59 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 15:19.35 | codepython777 | how do i move a machine from wheezy to 7.4 ? change sources + dist-upgrade? |
| 15:19.52 | dvs | codepython777: ???? 7.4 is wheezy |
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| 15:20.22 | Anita_sol | mp ^^ |
| 15:21.00 | codepython777 | dvs: ah! sorry. I have been using wheezy for quite some time now. And I'm not planning to move to jessie. So I should be set, right? |
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| 15:21.27 | codepython777 | dvs: http://www.debian.org/News/2014/20140208 - this said 7.4 was new, so I asked. Didnt lookup the name wheezy |
| 15:21.28 | arthurfiggis | codepython777: as long as you're doing regular updates then i'd say so :) |
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| 15:21.44 | rejti | hello! |
| 15:21.49 | dvs | codepython777: yes, just aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 15:22.38 | rejti | i have wheezy installed on two machines, one with xfce and one with no desktop. the one with xfce automounts usb disks using udisks, the one without desktop does not. is there a way to get the automounting without having a desktop installed? |
| 15:22.48 | Azrael_- | can i create a startup/stop-script for programs which doesn't store the pid in any file? |
| 15:23.01 | abrotman | rejti: pmount perhaps |
| 15:23.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell rejti about automount |
| 15:23.13 | abrotman | Azrael_-: yes, you can |
| 15:23.28 | Azrael_- | abrotman: any link you can provide me for how to do it? |
| 15:23.39 | abrotman | Azrael_-: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 15:23.45 | Azrael_- | thanks |
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| 15:25.47 | koell | why are amd graphics card more popular in the linux community than nvidias? |
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| 15:26.23 | dvs | koell: Because nvidia uses more closed source stuff |
| 15:26.27 | abrotman | koell: AMD has been more supportive IMO. They've provided specs for many years. |
| 15:26.51 | dvs | ...but not as mush as Intel. :-) |
| 15:26.55 | abrotman | right |
| 15:27.08 | dvs | ...er much as Intel |
| 15:27.39 | koell | so its better to choose a amd graphics card? is it also better to choose an amd cpu then? |
| 15:28.04 | abrotman | koell: that's up to you .. you can choose anything you like |
| 15:28.26 | dvs | koell: I think so. AMD has better graphics speed but not as good CPU speed which plays into Linux's hadn |
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| 15:29.00 | Azrael_- | abrotman: does it also support programs with the same filename but at a different location? |
| 15:29.02 | frostschutz | koell, I went with Intel HD graphics, but then again, I don't play 3D shooters 24/7 ;) |
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| 15:29.25 | abrotman | Azrael_-: huh? |
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| 15:29.45 | koell | i use intel hd graphics as well, never had a problem with. just need more graphic power now |
| 15:29.51 | rejti | intel's built-in graphics had a couple of series that didn't have any free drivers at all. |
| 15:30.04 | abrotman | rejti: very few, but yes, they weren't true intel cards |
| 15:30.04 | Azrael_- | abrotman: i want to run a custom program several times with different configs and have to clone it into different folders for this. |
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| 15:30.50 | Azrael_- | and i want to create a start/stop-script for each of them. will i run into problems due to the same program names? |
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| 15:32.11 | littlebit | hi people, i have a question concerning ruby and debian. ruby comes with it's gem command where you can and remove and update it's libraries, but debian has it's apt-get command where you can also install, remove and update ruby's libraries. Which one is the preferred way of maintaining ruby and it's libraries? |
| 15:32.37 | vpelletier | finally found it reading parallel start makefile scripts... one cannot depend on another script by its "provide" name, only by its "actual" name: "#Required-Start: lvm" does *not* work, but "#Required_Start: lvm2" *works* |
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| 15:33.32 | rejti | littlebit: i don't know about gem, but if you use debian's packages you get automatic security upgrades. |
| 15:33.36 | koell | does switchable graphics in linux work? lets say u have a builtin hd 4000 and separate amd graphics card? |
| 15:33.49 | rejti | littlebit: assuming that you are using a stable version of debian. |
| 15:33.57 | vpelletier | I guess it is worthless to report it as a bug against current init system, with all the voting going on |
| 15:34.09 | abrotman | koell: it's pretty darn buggy |
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| 15:36.48 | koell | abrotman: u mean auto switch is buggy, right? isn't bumblebee/primux an option for? |
| 15:37.27 | abrotman | I don't know, I wouldn't use it. I buy systems with intel graphics |
| 15:37.44 | abrotman | koell: a little research would go a long way |
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| 15:42.48 | arthurfiggis | koell: well, bumblebee is available for install from apt from what i can tell, so it probably is an option :) no idea how well it works though |
| 15:43.07 | arthurfiggis | (i don't have anything to try it on) |
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| 15:44.40 | koell | i just want to play some cs and asking myself if an intel hd 4k works for :) |
| 15:44.56 | abrotman | isn't that game pretty old? |
| 15:45.40 | littlebit | rejti: i'am using the stable version of debian. |
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| 15:46.28 | littlebit | rejti: the thing is that when installing a server solution I had to sometimes to make a "gem update", which updates the api libraries of ruby. that is y I'm asking. |
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| 15:47.14 | koell | abrotman: ahm cs:go |
| 15:47.20 | rejti | littlebit: i know nothing about ruby, sorry. if the libraries you want aren't packaged by debian you don't have a choice, if they are it's probably better to use apt-get. |
| 15:48.08 | littlebit | rejti: yea it is no problem, but will the be a conflict with ruby's "gem install" and debian's "apt-get install" ? |
| 15:48.21 | littlebit | rejti: or will they live in holy matromony? |
| 15:48.21 | rejti | littlebit: i don't know. |
| 15:48.25 | littlebit | rejti: ok |
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| 15:51.08 | koell | littlebit: gem is the package manager for ruby libraries. apt-get for debian packages. usually, ruby gems r not available trough apt-get afaik |
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| 15:54.21 | anton02 | what does it mean if a program looks for /usr/include/ImageMagick++ when all you have is /usr/include/ImageMagick++-6 |
| 15:54.36 | littlebit | koell: they actually are |
| 15:54.43 | littlebit | koell: that is y i'm asking |
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| 16:00.04 | oblu | so, what's going with 7.4.0 iso downloads? |
| 16:00.24 | oblu | are they pulled down? |
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| 16:01.30 | abrotman | They'll get there when they're done .. Do you need them for something? |
| 16:02.38 | koell | littlebit: i would prefer gem. for me, there is no reason to install them via apt-get. they may only be there available for dependencies. :) |
| 16:03.57 | littlebit | koell: ok |
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| 16:05.15 | oblu | abrotman: oh it's fine. i was just wondering why links on https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable don't work. |
| 16:05.48 | petn-randall | oblu: Probably the mirrors aren't finished syncing yet. It will likely work again within the day. |
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| 16:14.04 | Imbue | anyone here played with openstreetmaps? recommendation for a decent viewer that is in repositories? |
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| 16:17.22 | Protected | Hey there. I'm completely new to Debian. Is this the place to ask for help with a package issue? |
| 16:17.30 | SeekaNet | yes |
| 16:18.16 | rejti | Imbue: maybe qgis. |
| 16:19.19 | Protected | I'm trying to install libssl-dev, but I get this message: "libssl-dev : Depends: libssl1.0.0 (= 1.0.1e-2+deb7u3) but 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4 is to be installed". Could/should I tell apt to use the u3 version? |
| 16:19.32 | Imbue | thanks rejti: I'll have a look. |
| 16:19.40 | da3m0n22 | 7.4.0 release 404: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/ any hints? |
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| 16:22.51 | atari314 | da3m0n22: gotta wait a little bit more :) |
| 16:24.22 | nubcake | is there anything i have to worry/take care about if i'm planning to install a debian system onto a SSD drive ? |
| 16:24.37 | da3m0n22 | ok, i'll try to contain my excitement for a while |
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| 16:26.04 | abrotman | Protected: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 16:28.25 | atari314 | nubcake: take a quick look at: http://apcmag.com/how-to-maximise-ssd-performance-with-linux.htm |
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| 16:29.45 | atari314 | nubcake: also, keep in mind that permanently removing data (without recover possibility, like shred) from SSD can be problematic |
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| 16:30.14 | Protected | abrotman: It's based on this: http://serverfault.com/a/382101 |
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| 16:31.02 | Protected | Another issue I'm getting is E: Package 'ia32-libs-i386' has no installation candidate |
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| 16:32.50 | abrotman | Protected: that package is gone |
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| 16:33.09 | nubcake | atari314: but is that procedure like "neccessary" to expand an ssd's lifespan, or is it just performance related tuning ? |
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| 16:34.01 | abrotman | Protected: you sohuldn't use that site .. that's going to break your system |
| 16:34.03 | atari314 | nubcake: nope, it's not required, but's advisable, imho |
| 16:34.16 | abrotman | that's broken in so many ways |
| 16:34.47 | Protected | abrotman: What should I use then? |
| 16:35.01 | Protected | I need a package which I thought after googling only existed in experimental, but it turns out to be in testing |
| 16:35.05 | Protected | So I need testing and above |
| 16:35.10 | abrotman | which package is that? |
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| 16:35.16 | Protected | Tcl 8.6 |
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| 16:35.44 | abrotman | that's a pretty strong requirement .. |
| 16:35.47 | Protected | Also, I was just looking into why ia32-libs isn't working and it seems to be libssl1.0.0:i386 at the core |
| 16:36.01 | Protected | If I install that, it will remove like 30 things |
| 16:36.05 | Protected | Including ruby, python and openssl |
| 16:36.07 | abrotman | no .. ia32-libs is gone .. |
| 16:36.10 | Protected | Oh? |
| 16:36.11 | atari314 | nubcake: take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization which covers a lot more ground :) |
| 16:36.20 | abrotman | Protected: what are you really trrying to do ? |
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| 16:36.42 | Protected | Well, I need to keep my existing packages, and run a single precompiled 32bit executable |
| 16:36.47 | Protected | Also Tcl 8.6 ;) |
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| 16:37.05 | smartass | Hi, could someone please tell what is the simplest way to have the latest and greatest NumPy and SciPy ind Debian? in stable if possible .... |
| 16:37.21 | Protected | I can reinstall the OS if needed |
| 16:37.44 | nubcake | atari314: allright, thanks for the infos :) |
| 16:37.59 | atari314 | nubcake: ^^ |
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| 16:38.32 | abrotman | Protected: What OS did this binary target? |
| 16:39.56 | johnakabean | whats the aptitude package name for PIP for installing python modules? |
| 16:39.58 | Protected | I have no idea |
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| 16:40.17 | abrotman | Protected: do you have a URL for this binary we can look at? |
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| 16:40.21 | johnakabean | nevermind; i guessed right as python-pip |
| 16:40.28 | mallxs | doing a apt-get upgrade squeeze to wheezy fails on smartmontools; what should i do ? |
| 16:40.56 | Ritzton | I can't manage on debian squeeze to use nginx last stable version to proxy websocket ? is it a problem related to debian squeeze ? each time a client is trying to connect ("io.connect(host);") then the server is not responding any more for him and it is back 1 minute after, but during this minute he cannot access any other page he is getting server error. When I am not using nginx proxy |
| 16:40.57 | Ritzton | ("io.connect(host:port);") then it works fine |
| 16:41.00 | darksider3 | python3-pip johnakabean |
| 16:41.23 | johnakabean | ty |
| 16:41.30 | Protected | abrotman: Thanks, but if you think it's so much of a problem that it should be dealt with first, it's best to forget about it for now and I'll find an alternative. libssl-dev is way more important to me; Do you know if it would be possible for me to get that installed? |
| 16:41.51 | abrotman | Protected: you sohuldn't have setup the system like that .. that's begging for a busted system |
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| 16:42.02 | Protected | Very well; How should I have set it up? |
| 16:42.09 | Protected | I'm 100% new to Debian |
| 16:42.24 | abrotman | Protected: it' sprobably too late now .. you've got it all mixed up |
| 16:42.39 | Protected | That's fine; Just tell me what to do from a clean install |
| 16:42.49 | Protected | If you know, can and want to ;) |
| 16:43.11 | smartass | could someone please tell what is the best way to have the latest NumPy in Debian stable? |
| 16:43.25 | abrotman | Protected: /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
| 16:43.36 | smartass | not sure if I should use Apt-Pinning for that |
| 16:43.37 | keel | smartass: sudo pip install numpy |
| 16:43.45 | johnakabean | yes protected; you NEVER "make install" on any system UNLESS you're going to have your OWN diverged system where evverything is in a prefix /test/usr/* /test/etc etc.... OTHERWISE, if you want to update a package for the entire system to use, make a debian package file OR, for redhat, a RPM |
| 16:44.02 | keel | smartass: apt-get remove your current numpy package(s) first |
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| 16:44.07 | smartass | keel: takes a very long time to compile ... |
| 16:44.16 | smartass | I'd rather use bin package |
| 16:44.20 | abrotman | johnakabean: that's not what he's asking .. |
| 16:44.27 | narcos | Hi there. Where should I place my uEnv.txt file on a Debian system? I see tutorials referencing /boot/uboot, but I don't have that folder |
| 16:44.29 | smartass | through apt if possible ... |
| 16:44.39 | johnakabean | i know but we were telling him to NOT install something OVER TOP of repository packages |
| 16:44.50 | johnakabean | im telling him how to make install SAFELY |
| 16:44.50 | keel | smartass: i see, which version do you require? |
| 16:44.55 | abrotman | johnakabean: actually, that's not what I'm saying at all |
| 16:45.04 | abrotman | johnakabean: and not remotely close to what he asked |
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| 16:45.13 | smartass | 1.8.0 would be nice |
| 16:45.53 | johnakabean | either way, dont ever "make install" unless the package is not in the repository at all as an old version or any version; make an updated deb package |
| 16:45.56 | abrotman | ... |
| 16:45.59 | Protected | So, abrotman, you would recommend not using testing package? |
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| 16:46.01 | Protected | *s |
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| 16:46.16 | abrotman | Protected: That depends on what, and why, you require said package |
| 16:46.54 | Protected | Well... Tcl 8.6 has differences from 8.5. Scripts written for one may not work on the other... |
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| 16:47.03 | abrotman | Yes, we know |
| 16:47.11 | Protected | johnakabean is saying I should use a package |
| 16:47.14 | johnakabean | whats teh difference between apt-get PURGE and apt-get REMOVE? |
| 16:47.15 | johnakabean | nothing? |
| 16:47.45 | johnakabean | purge takes out config files? |
| 16:47.49 | abrotman | johnakabean: yes |
| 16:47.52 | keel | smartass: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/python-numpy you can try installing by adding experimental to your sources.list _below_ everything else, then apt-get install -t experimental python-numpy; personally i would just go for the pip install method |
| 16:47.54 | beardy | johnakabean: purge removes confifguration files, remove leaves them. |
| 16:48.03 | johnakabean | ty good guess |
| 16:48.07 | abrotman | spies a beardy !! |
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| 16:48.12 | abrotman | johnakabean: the man page also covers this |
| 16:48.31 | smartass | keel: right, so such an approach will work for packages without too many experimental dependencies ... |
| 16:48.36 | beardy | cloaks |
| 16:48.37 | johnakabean | *reads man pages for man pages* |
| 16:48.46 | mallxs | smartmontools failed on LSB defaults .. ok now |
| 16:49.19 | keel | smartass: pretty much, apt-get update after editing sources.list |
| 16:50.02 | mallxs | question should i rm php5-suhosin before or after the dist-upgrade ? |
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| 16:50.05 | smartass | and a similar issue with XMonad-0.11 ... |
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| 16:54.55 | smartass | keel: so there is no simple way to have both a stable SW base and recent developments ? |
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| 16:55.49 | PerfDave | Sooo, trying to install Wheezy as a dual-boot with Win8 on a UEFI laptop. Having trouble getting Grub installed. My Debian install is LVM on top of crypto on top of a UEFI partition /dev/sda8 and I get the impression it's the stack that's the problem rather than the UEFI. The installer step that's failing is at http://paste.debian.net/81015/ |
| 16:55.53 | keel | smartass: SW? |
| 16:56.13 | abrotman | gives PerfDave a wink |
| 16:56.20 | PerfDave | Hey abrotman, how's tricks? |
| 16:56.28 | abrotman | Didn't make much money last night .. |
| 16:56.28 | beardy | adds one |
| 16:56.28 | smartass | keel: software base ... stabilized and tested kernel, libc, etc. |
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| 16:57.33 | abrotman | PerfDave: if you think it's the stack, have you tried removing parts of the stack? |
| 16:57.36 | abrotman | just for S&G? |
| 16:58.20 | PerfDave | abrotman: I was going to try that but it's a PITA so I was wondering whether others had better ideas ;) |
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| 16:58.41 | abrotman | says that was abrotman's better idea :) |
| 16:58.53 | PerfDave | Fair enough, O |
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| 16:59.18 | PerfDave | I'll give it a crack. At least I'm using a USB installer so I can stick ssh on it when things go wrong ;) |
| 16:59.19 | keel | smartass: ymmv but i've often run packages from experimental on debian stable with no issues, i steered clear of packages with lots of experimental branch dependencies like you said |
| 17:00.17 | johnakabean | quick help: what network services are suppose to startup; i find it odd from centos to debian that networking service is not set to startup on ANY run level and network-manager, is this supposed to? |
| 17:00.32 | johnakabean | x11-common, is this supposed to startup for gdm3 service? |
| 17:00.39 | abrotman | johnakabean: x11-comon is a package |
| 17:00.54 | johnakabean | its also a service on my sysv-rc-conf |
| 17:01.11 | abrotman | johnakabean: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 17:01.11 | johnakabean | I didnt add it either |
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| 17:01.36 | johnakabean | when im starting up gdm3 it cries of an error, restarts itself and on second start im able to login |
| 17:01.50 | abrotman | johnakabean: Are you using jessie or wheezy? |
| 17:01.53 | johnakabean | wheezy |
| 17:01.56 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind .. different problem |
| 17:02.00 | johnakabean | i just did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:02.02 | abrotman | what's the error it complains about ? |
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| 17:03.37 | johnakabean | tryingn to reproduce error...... |
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| 17:04.39 | johnakabean | damn when i restarted gdm3 service, no error this time |
| 17:04.44 | johnakabean | init 3 then init 5, trying that way |
| 17:05.15 | abrotman | uhm .. those aren' thte correct run levels |
| 17:05.24 | johnakabean | i moved them around....2 is now 5 |
| 17:05.38 | johnakabean | 2 is for debug and single user |
| 17:05.46 | abrotman | ... |
| 17:05.47 | johnakabean | 2 is 1 with networking, supposed to be |
| 17:05.56 | abrotman | that's a poor idea |
| 17:06.02 | johnakabean | thats how all other distros work |
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| 17:06.30 | abrotman | Okay, your decision |
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| 17:07.23 | beardy | !runlevel |
| 17:07.23 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (there are no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also http://debian-administration.org/articles/212, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>. |
| 17:07.30 | johnakabean | i dont see any errors in the Xorg log |
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| 17:08.07 | johnakabean | ok i just init 3 then back to init 5, which is desktop, init 3 is command line with full multi user |
| 17:08.10 | johnakabean | no errors |
| 17:08.33 | beardy | It used to say that you shouldn't carea about runlevels, uninstall things you don't want started. |
| 17:08.35 | johnakabean | but it was complaining of "unrecoverable error has occurred" "all extensions disabled for safety" or something |
| 17:08.41 | beardy | Whatever. |
| 17:09.08 | johnakabean | since i did dist-upgrade im going to do full restart anyway |
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| 17:10.58 | johnakabean | " but you can configure this if you wish" which I did; i copied ALL the services set to start on run level 2 to 3, 4, 5 and disabled gdm3 on 3 |
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| 17:11.24 | johnakabean | then disabled a lot on run level 2 to match level 1, except with networking |
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| 17:11.36 | johnakabean | my default startup is init 3 |
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| 17:12.39 | jhutchins | johnakabean: Are you working with hessie? |
| 17:12.45 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yeah, just did a minimal single-partition install on UEFI and it worked fine. Must be something about the crypto or the LVM... |
| 17:12.52 | jhutchins | jessie... |
| 17:13.23 | johnakabean | ? i was asking why i had a problem with gdm3 saying error, all extensions disabled and then it would restart and i could login without a problem |
| 17:13.27 | johnakabean | but it seems to fixed itself |
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| 17:13.44 | abrotman | PerfDave: So all three together make a mess? |
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| 17:15.40 | johnakabean | yeah....its fixed itself; i guess it was a bug in old distro cause after dist-upgrade, i cant reproduce it |
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| 17:15.52 | johnakabean | and i havent changed a thing |
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| 17:16.32 | PerfDave | abrotman: Well, now to experiment with LVM on UEFI, crypto on UEFI without LVM and see where the problem is :) |
| 17:16.58 | abrotman | votes UEFI+crypto |
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| 17:18.31 | johnakabean | praises debian team for this new distro. it runs so fast compared to other |
| 17:18.34 | PerfDave | abrotman: I guess it comes down to what grubx64.efi supports |
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| 17:19.38 | abrotman | PerfDave: there's always lilo! |
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| 17:20.39 | johnakabean | so.......is there a deb package for firefox 26? |
| 17:20.45 | Devastator | lilo? wow, does it still exist? |
| 17:20.53 | PerfDave | abrotman: That might cock up the Win8 dual boot a little ;) |
| 17:20.57 | Devastator | johnakabean have you checked http://mozilla.debian.net ? |
| 17:21.49 | abrotman | PerfDave: pfft :) |
| 17:21.50 | johnakabean | ty |
| 17:22.03 | johnakabean | was about to ask for that but on the release drop down, whats the 26 version? |
| 17:22.14 | abrotman | release is probablyt what you want |
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| 17:25.09 | PerfDave | johnakabean: "release" is the latest stable release, which is probably what you want. |
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| 17:27.07 | wget | Hi guys! I see the live images haven't made their way to 7.4 yet, nor 7.3. Do you have dropped support for these images? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
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| 17:29.50 | johnakabean | Devastator, ty sir. you accept bitcoin? :) |
| 17:30.03 | johnakabean | very much appreciated; i asked for 26.0 i got 27.0 |
| 17:30.23 | johnakabean | so when i do apt-get upgrade it will upgrade iceweasel right? |
| 17:30.28 | jelly-hme | "release" channel is at 27.0, yeah |
| 17:31.15 | johnakabean | lightning fast. the original iceweasel would take 1 minute to load pages for some reason |
| 17:31.26 | babilen | johnakabean: No, it won't. You will have to run "apt-get dist-upgrade" as an upgrade top Iceweasel typically implies a removal of the corresponding xulrunner package. |
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| 17:31.37 | Devastator | johnakabean I don't want, thanks :) |
| 17:31.37 | johnakabean | ok |
| 17:31.55 | johnakabean | i dont blame you ever since bitcoins crashed on the 6th |
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| 17:32.32 | Hulk | hi |
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| 17:34.14 | Hulk | How can i install konversation on Debian? |
| 17:34.36 | nkuttler | Hulk: like any other package? |
| 17:34.55 | darksider3 | If yes, the apt-get install konversation |
| 17:35.02 | darksider3 | s/the/then/g |
| 17:35.39 | atari314 | does anyone have the grub2 entry for loading a debian live-cd iso from the HD? |
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| 17:36.12 | Hulk | nkuttler ?? |
| 17:36.26 | Hulk | darksider3 : thank you , I try ;) |
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| 17:37.57 | darksider3 | Hulk: No Problem |
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| 17:38.21 | Hulk | It said "Unable to locate package konversation" |
| 17:38.37 | nkuttler | ,v konversation |
| 17:38.39 | judd | Package: konversation on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.1-2; jessie: 1.4-1; sid: 1.4-1; wheezy: 1.4-1 |
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| 17:38.55 | nkuttler | Hulk: paste.debian.net your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:39.39 | darksider3 | nkuttler: Its in main... wondering me then O_o |
| 17:39.51 | abrotman | darksider3: he may not have any http sources |
| 17:40.00 | towo` | missing apt-get update maybe |
| 17:40.08 | nkuttler | or he's using another distro. who knows |
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| 17:40.21 | nkuttler | Hulk: wait, run apt-get update first |
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| 17:40.30 | nkuttler | towo`: considering he didn't know apt-get install.. |
| 17:40.57 | wget | ping anyone for my question asked 20minutes ago? |
| 17:41.22 | abrotman | wget: the liveimageas take much longer to get out there |
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| 17:42.00 | wget | abrotman: Even for 7.3 which has been released 2 months ago? |
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| 17:42.27 | abrotman | 7.3 images should be there |
| 17:42.34 | abrotman | dpkg: tell wget about debian live |
| 17:42.42 | jimmybrite | Hey guys, I updated my system the other night and when I rebooted I lost my mouse and keyboard in X, it works with the CLI though, can anyone point me in the right direction to troubleshoot this? Using Debian Sid and Gnome3. |
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| 17:43.43 | wget | abrotman: they aren't http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
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| 17:44.05 | abrotman | wget: right, see what the bot told you, ask them |
| 17:44.26 | wget | ok I'll ask #debian-live then. |
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| 17:45.01 | Protected | abrotman: All fixed. Reinstalled clean image, reinstalled packages without experimental sources, compiled Tcl from source and found a statically linked version of the 32bit binary |
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| 17:45.11 | Protected | No libssl-dev issues this time |
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| 17:45.53 | abrotman | Protected: I would have told you to use a chroot for your binary, but okay :) |
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| 18:13.20 | eatdrinkdie | hey. all my videos are crazy slow. skype and mplayer included. they frame like crazy. how can I debug this? |
| 18:13.29 | eatdrinkdie | it's a new laptop.uses i915 |
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| 18:27.55 | test_ | what happens after verifying logon credentials. I have a user that can't log into gnome, but can log into tty. |
| 18:28.26 | test_ | It has to be something that's in a config or something that's causing the gnome session to fail. |
| 18:28.50 | yann-kaelig | hi, then ? |
| 18:30.06 | centrx | atari314, Odd how many people ask a question then disappear |
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| 18:32.16 | PerfDave | abrotman: OK. If you try to install your boot partition on a crypto FS, the installer warns you. If you try to install it on LVM on a crypto FS, it doesn't. Not sure if this is a UEFI-specific problem at all - my desktop has a seperate non-crypto /boot but that's left over from etch/sarge, pretty sure my non-EUFI wheezy laptop didn't need a seperate /boot before it died. |
| 18:32.36 | PerfDave | abrotman: But I've now got /dev/sda8 as /boot and /dev/sda9 as crypto and all is well |
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| 18:33.18 | atari314 | centrx: yeah :/ |
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| 18:36.50 | abrotman | PerfDave: interesting, seems a bug |
| 18:37.16 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yeah, affects wheezy as well as jessie. Will get jessie installed, then look at an installation report. |
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| 18:38.05 | atari314 | For everyone that were waiting, the 7.4 installer iso are now available :) |
| 18:38.40 | jimmybrite | Found a solution to my missing mouse/kb problem in x/gjome3/sid, for some reason edev and xserver-xorg-input-mouse and xserver-xorg-input-kbd uninstalled itself |
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| 18:42.09 | oo_miguel | I am using gnubiff to get notifications abot incoming mails, and it works perfectly, however for some reason the mail-preview displays the header (title, sender, ...) in black letters on a black background. Any idea where this is configured? in .Xresources? |
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| 18:42.23 | nell | I installed windows before linux on my pa rtition scheme |
| 18:42.25 | nell | how do i update-grub |
| 18:42.29 | nell | so that they appear correctly |
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| 18:43.12 | oo_miguel | update-grub |
| 18:43.33 | nell | i did that in knoppix |
| 18:43.52 | nell | I guess i have to boot into the thing |
| 18:43.57 | oo_miguel | In ubuntu I always do update-grub and grub-install |
| 18:44.23 | oo_miguel | you need grub-instal only once |
| 18:45.00 | oo_miguel | nell: you booted linux or windows now? |
| 18:45.19 | nell | live knoppix |
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| 18:45.22 | nell | i just installed linux |
| 18:45.27 | nell | on sda2 |
| 18:45.41 | oo_miguel | grub should be able to detect your other operating systems and set up the menu with the boot-options |
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| 18:46.01 | nell | i do update-grub |
| 18:46.10 | nell | it says Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
| 18:46.12 | thoonai | heyho, having trouble with xdmx :/ it wont open the remote display |
| 18:46.28 | thoonai | I disabled nolisten tcp and set xhost + |
| 18:46.38 | oo_miguel | nell: does it find windwos as well? |
| 18:46.53 | test_ | Is there a way to transfer everything associated with a user to another? |
| 18:47.05 | oo_miguel | test_: copy the home directory |
| 18:47.19 | test_ | oo_miguel: that gets everything? |
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| 18:47.32 | test_ | menu's, VMs, etc? |
| 18:47.49 | oo_miguel | test_: As far as I know everything related to one single user is kept in _his_ homedirectory |
| 18:48.03 | thoonai | oo_miguel: ++ |
| 18:48.03 | oo_miguel | other things in /etc or /var ar systemwide |
| 18:48.16 | test_ | do you know what config files gnome uses after login? |
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| 18:48.57 | oo_miguel | I don't know. I do not use gnome |
| 18:49.11 | test_ | oo_miguel: ok, so copy then chown |
| 18:49.40 | trampel | here's a simple grub question: ever since debian updated to grub 2.0 i don't see the various installed kernels on boot-up. is that an option under "advanced options" that i can set? |
| 18:49.42 | oo_miguel | test_: exactly |
| 18:50.32 | keel | trampel: yes i think additional kernels can now be selected from the advanced options grub menu entry |
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| 18:50.56 | thoonai | anyone experience with xdmx? |
| 18:50.58 | keel | trampel: it gets automatically populated when you install another kernel |
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| 18:51.25 | pero | why does 'apt-get remove iceweasel' want me to install icedove? |
| 18:52.07 | centrx | pero, Maybe something depends on it? |
| 18:52.13 | centrx | Something depends on "ice" |
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| 18:52.32 | darksider3 | Here it does not depends on that |
| 18:52.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell pero -about bat |
| 18:52.52 | trampel | thankee, (however) debian just installed another kernel, and there are still only two options (let it boot or go to 'advanced options') is there a named option like "show all currently installed"? |
| 18:52.59 | Nik05 | pero do you have some addon installed? |
| 18:53.14 | pero | nah, no addons |
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| 18:53.34 | babilen | trampel: Yeah, that would be "Advanced options" |
| 18:53.35 | Nik05 | well, aptitude why icedove |
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| 18:54.09 | trampel | ok, i'll risk poking around there (under "advanced options") next boot-up. thankee guys! |
| 18:54.11 | babilen | trampel: Or run "aptitude search '~i~n^linux-image'" |
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| 18:54.50 | trampel | oh i know i've got about five kernels installed. i just wanted to be able to select them from the bootup menu as once was the case |
| 18:55.07 | pero | task-gnome-desktop -> libreoffice -> icedove |
| 18:55.15 | keel | trampel: 'lsof -i :6000' aka are you sure X is reachable over the network? |
| 18:55.34 | keel | trampel: disregard, it was meant for thoonai |
| 18:55.35 | pero | how can i get rid of iceweasel without installing icedove? |
| 18:56.45 | Nik05 | remove the stuff that depends on iceweasel or icedove |
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| 18:57.07 | Nik05 | pero: aptitude why icedove |
| 18:57.20 | Agiofws | hey how do i know if my GFX card supports webGL is it an operating system issue ? |
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| 18:58.55 | pero | Nik05: http://pastebin.com/Mq4hUyXp |
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| 18:59.07 | Nik05 | im not going to open pastebin.com |
| 18:59.10 | Nik05 | use paste.debian.net |
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| 19:01.02 | pero | Nik05: http://paste.debian.net/81035/ |
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| 19:01.34 | Nik05 | i guess you can remove iceweasel without icedove |
| 19:01.36 | darksider3 | Pero: apt-get -s remove iceweasel |
| 19:02.00 | darksider3 | Does it *really* want installing icedove? Dont looks like that |
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| 19:04.02 | seirl | hello, i'm wondering why my aptitude upgrade is downloading packages so slowly. I checked my network connection which seems fine, tried 3 different mirrors and nothing helps... any idea ? |
| 19:04.10 | pero | darksider3: paste.debian.net/81037/ |
| 19:04.15 | centrx | seirl, downgrading...? |
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| 19:04.55 | seirl | centrx: uh? no, i'm upgrading to wheezy |
| 19:05.06 | centrx | oh you said downloading, sorry I misread |
| 19:05.18 | centrx | seirl, You could try a different mirror |
| 19:05.32 | seirl | centrx: "tried 3 different mirrors" |
| 19:05.53 | centrx | seirl, Have you tried a) http.debian.net b) netselect-apt ? |
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| 19:06.32 | darksider3 | Its... confusing me pero. |
| 19:06.44 | seirl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.49 | seirl | I'll try netselect-apt |
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| 19:07.23 | centrx | seirl, The latest point release of stable was recently released, so that could be it |
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| 19:07.46 | centrx | seirl, And if you are not choosing the mirrors carefully, they could just be slow mirrors/heavily used in general. |
| 19:07.51 | darksider3 | pero: apt-cache depends gnome-core [..]depends on: iceweasel *_* |
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| 19:08.01 | seirl | centrx: hm, yeah makes sense |
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| 19:08.40 | pha | centrx: you tried a traceroute to the mirror to see if the path is congested? |
| 19:08.48 | seirl | well, I just found a fast mirror |
| 19:08.52 | seirl | thanks! |
| 19:09.00 | centrx | You are welcome anytime! |
| 19:09.07 | derric | Does anybody know if the information that use to be viable from here http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/MIPS_SDE_Installation can still be still be pursued some other way? |
| 19:09.15 | pero | darksider3: E: Regex compilation error - Invalid preceding regular expression |
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| 19:10.29 | darksider3 | Make only apt-cache depends gnome-core | grep iceweasel . You will see |
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| 19:11.47 | pero | darksider3: just iceweasel |
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| 19:12.55 | darksider3 | Here it gives "Depends: iceweasel". Anyway, its just mean that gnome-core depends on an library, or the api of iceweasel/firefox |
| 19:13.46 | Some_Person | Can anyone recommend a good DM for a tablet? |
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| 19:14.08 | pero | so it is impossible remove to iceweasel if you want to run gnome? |
| 19:14.32 | pero | that doesnt make sense as gnome has its own browser |
| 19:15.17 | darksider3 | pero: I dont know, but i guess if you remove it without gnome-core, it breaks your Gnome. |
| 19:15.31 | Some_Person | gnome-core is probably just a meta package |
| 19:15.39 | Some_Person | i.e. doesn't do anything |
| 19:15.47 | pero | i dont think it is |
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| 19:16.19 | abrotman | pero: no, you can remove it |
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| 19:16.38 | darksider3 | (takes a big look @guess and dont know x)) |
| 19:16.48 | Some_Person | Confirmed. I just looked inside the package myself and it doesn't actually install anything |
| 19:16.54 | pero | well, gnome-core is irrelevant |
| 19:16.58 | Some_Person | It's just a meta package used to make installing gnome easier |
| 19:17.03 | Some_Person | You can remove it |
| 19:17.07 | pero | because apt still wants me to install icedove when removing iceweasel |
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| 19:17.35 | pero | so i can say yes to remove gnome-core, but then i'll still be downloading icedove |
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| 19:17.49 | pero | paste.debian.net/81037/ |
| 19:17.52 | Some_Person | Try adding --no-install-recommends |
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| 19:18.17 | pero | no difference |
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| 19:18.30 | darksider3 | Some_Person: here apt has build an depend from task-gnome-desktop to the metapackage to... |
| 19:18.39 | ksuhku | there are some mozilla extensions that depend on icedove OR iceweasel, perhaps you have one of those? |
| 19:18.39 | darksider3 | apt-cache depends task-gnome-desktop |
| 19:18.56 | pero | hmm |
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| 19:19.54 | ksuhku | I hear aptitude can explain some such dependance but I haven't used it myself |
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| 19:20.11 | jhutchins | pero: Use the why command. |
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| 19:21.37 | pero | http://paste.debian.net/81035/ |
| 19:22.03 | pero | i thought the htitle was doing it - but apparently its not |
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| 19:22.29 | Some_Person | Is it just me, or is ftp.us.debian.org really slow today? |
| 19:22.41 | dvs | Some_Person: Debian 7.4 |
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| 19:23.05 | darksider3 | Released yesterday :) |
| 19:23.10 | abrotman | Some_Person: use a tertiary mirror .. much better plan anyway |
| 19:23.12 | Some_Person | Oh. I suppose that would do it |
| 19:23.24 | dvs | No ISOs yet! |
| 19:23.27 | Some_Person | I just installed a whole system at around 80 kB/s |
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| 19:31.21 | johnakabean | when you renice something a negative number is higher priority than positive right? its been a little while |
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| 19:31.47 | johnakabean | like "renice -1 8617" would make it have higher priority than other things that's 0? |
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| 19:34.22 | eatdrinkdie | 20:14 < atari314> eatdrinkdie, is this a fresh install or they suddenly started to framedrop? |
| 19:34.26 | eatdrinkdie | it's a fresh install |
| 19:34.35 | eatdrinkdie | i found that if I click on the video, the video plays normally |
| 19:34.45 | eatdrinkdie | it frames like shit, if I don't interact with it.. |
| 19:34.46 | eatdrinkdie | wtf |
| 19:35.22 | freq | oh lordy |
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| 19:36.00 | eatdrinkdie | oh lordy |
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| 19:36.13 | dvs | lawd! |
| 19:36.34 | darksider3 | l0rd |
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| 19:45.10 | Some_Person | Can anyone recommend a DM for use on a tablet? I just need something that shows a list of users (rather than having to type the username) and has an on-screen keyboard for typing the password |
| 19:45.26 | Some_Person | I don't have any DM at all installed at the moment |
| 19:45.44 | centrx | Some_Person, I don't know, the main ones are lightdm, gdm, and kdm I believer |
| 19:45.51 | abrotman | Some_Person: I think GDM can show a list of users |
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| 19:46.07 | Some_Person | GDM probably depends on lots of GNOME stuff though |
| 19:46.22 | Bsims | Some_Person: yeah gdm is a pig |
| 19:46.31 | trampel | all gnome stuff depends on all gnome stuff |
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| 19:47.08 | Some_Person | I suppose I'll look into lightdm then |
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| 19:54.08 | dvs | Shoot! Debian has started to creep onto a second double Blu-ray disc! |
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| 19:55.53 | doug_dt | Does anyone know when jessie/testing will upgrade from squid 3.1.x to 3.4.x? |
| 19:56.10 | trampel | ah this is the grub item i was looking for (to see the installed kernels): GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=true (cuz nothing sez 'see installed kernels' like '_DISABLE_SUBMENU') |
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| 19:57.06 | centrx | doug_dt, jessie/testing currently has 3.3.8 ? |
| 19:58.03 | doug_dt | centrx: Nod on 3.3.8. Still looking for 3.4.x. :-) |
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| 19:59.18 | centrx | doug_dt, It is not in unstable yet, so it may be a while |
| 19:59.30 | doug_dt | Nod. Thanks. |
| 19:59.38 | centrx | doug_dt, You can look at bugs.debian.org/squid3 to see or file a request to upgrade (there is one there already "new upstream") |
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| 19:59.54 | centrx | doug_dt, You can look at packages.debian.org/squid3 to see what versions are in which releases |
| 20:00.17 | centrx | doug_dt, And when a package is in unstable, you can poke around at https://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl to see when it will make its way to testing |
| 20:01.33 | doug_dt | centrx: Good to know. Any info on Bind10? |
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| 20:02.13 | centrx | I don't know |
| 20:03.47 | abrotman | doug_dt: if it's not in unstable already, it's likely going to be a bit |
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| 20:04.32 | doug_dt | is checking unstable |
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| 20:08.52 | robert___ | what is Extended offline Completed: read failure 30% 28037 3086410381 telling me??? Is my drive dead? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c135e066/ Is there a better channel to ask it in? |
| 20:09.06 | robert___ | Or a right channel? |
| 20:10.23 | Bsims | robert___: Yup its failing |
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| 20:11.39 | robert___ | Bsims: not sure if I can ask this but is it a minor performance failure or a data loss failure? |
| 20:12.01 | Bsims | robert___: get the data on the drive backed up ASAP its going to fail soon |
| 20:12.17 | quup | Hi, out of curiosity, how come the linux-image package has a different version number than the kernel version? |
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| 20:12.41 | quup | (found some info here: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-versions.html but it doesn't say why, just that it wont be like that in wheezy+1) |
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| 20:12.58 | robert___ | K I'll have to go hard drive shopping :) Thanks for the input. |
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| 20:13.15 | Bsims | robert___: look into rsync... its great for backups |
| 20:14.16 | robert___ | I have a raid 5 setup, I should just mark the drive as failure, add a new drive right or should I grow it to raid 6 with the new drive then fail the drive and bring it back to raid 5? |
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| 20:14.24 | Bsims | https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/12/msg01961.html here is a script I wrote for doing backups |
| 20:14.41 | trampel | quup: well i'll take a clueless shot at answering with a question: how would you distinguish a new packaging of the same version of kernel? |
| 20:14.42 | Bsims | robert___: that I'm not sure of I've never played with raids |
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| 20:15.01 | parcs | hi guys. does anybody know what the directory "$HOME/.debug" is for? |
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| 20:15.19 | robert___ | at one point WD had a linux parking issue.... |
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| 20:16.00 | miseria | "la fuerza de todos los humanos no mueven la tierra, concluyo: la palabra terror pertenece a un ser supremo" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival* |
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| 20:16.51 | quup | trampel: x.y.z-n where n is package version |
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| 20:19.12 | trampel | quup: you do know that there has been a fourth number associated with linux kernel versions? but that's probably been discontinued |
| 20:19.29 | quup | trampel: did not know that, beyond rc# |
| 20:19.32 | Ester | hola |
| 20:19.46 | Ester | hola |
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| 20:20.13 | GNU\colossus | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.ctte/5392 - what? |
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| 20:21.46 | Ester | hola como estas |
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| 20:22.21 | elvisthedj | Having a "hard to google" issue.. on a windows share, I have phantom files showing up.. I assume they're coming from my nix box since they are named "cifs9o3f" etc.. Not 0 byte.. can't delete them from debian or windows.. |
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| 20:23.35 | jhutchins | !es |
| 20:23.36 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 20:24.12 | trampel | elvisthedj: were i seeing cifs.... i'd suspect NFS before specifically blaming "nix box" per-se ...but that's just me |
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| 20:25.25 | trampel | elvisthedj: that is, i'd suspect microsoft's version of NFS |
| 20:25.46 | Firefly42 | does anybody know why the xfce screensaver is sometimes activated before the time is up and why sometimes the lock does not work? |
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| 20:26.02 | jhutchins | trampel: cifs != nfs. |
| 20:26.29 | trampel | jhulst: exactly why i tried to quickly qualify my first statement (alas not quickly enough) |
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| 20:27.20 | trampel | excuse me that was to jhutchins not jhulst. apologies |
| 20:27.36 | elvisthedj | trampel: That might explain why windows is able to report the date / size.. where as ls goes a bit weird.. http://pastebin.com/sdsYt5hY |
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| 20:28.48 | elvisthedj | still .. can't delete them from either place, which will eventually be a problem |
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| 20:30.48 | Firefly42 | does not sound like a configuration problem, right? |
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| 20:34.06 | centrx | GNU\colossus, Revolution! |
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| 20:34.34 | Firefly42 | my life could be so much better with a working screensaver |
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| 20:36.06 | noor_ | Hi there! I found a possible repo for multimedia: http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br though apt states no public GPG key is available, any moves to make to import/search it? |
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| 20:37.37 | trampel | noor: hmm.... "Site Under Construction" |
| 20:38.37 | GNU\colossus | http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.ctte/5407 |
| 20:38.42 | GNU\colossus | how... embarassing. |
| 20:38.47 | darksider3 | Is systemd now the default init-standard on debian? And if yes, is the "old" supported too(but not default?)? |
| 20:38.47 | noor_ | trampel, Yeah... just found that out also... will comment it out now |
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| 20:39.41 | centrx | darksider3, Probably yes on both |
| 20:40.02 | abrotman | GNU\colossus: Not relevant to this channel, please take it to #debian-offtopic please |
| 20:40.15 | darksider3 | *pheuf* thats good |
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| 20:43.41 | MMavipc | has anyone got hdmi audio to work with a haswell cpu? |
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| 20:44.28 | frostschutz | MMavipc, I think it started working in 3.13.1 or so |
| 20:44.33 | frostschutz | or was it 3.12.1? |
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| 20:45.49 | robert___ | how stable is zfs on wheezy? |
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| 20:47.14 | mallxs | Hmmm after upgrade squeeze to wheezy my doesn't start any more; i see in the init.d/mysql it is looking for /usr/bin/mysqld_safe but that doesn't exist any more ? |
| 20:47.16 | kruzin | anyone use 7.* for a web production server? |
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| 20:48.21 | mallxs | didn;t i get the correct rc file or is my mysql install bad ? |
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| 20:49.47 | joshu | hi anyone built a debian Amazon Web Services AMI using HVM from *scratch*? |
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| 20:51.56 | souredfrog | What is debian kfreebsd for? |
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| 20:53.22 | kallisti5 | whoooooo! systemd. |
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| 20:57.34 | dprophit | newbie <= Can someone help me link sublime_text to /usr/bin? http://sublime-text-unofficial-documentation.readthedocs.org/en/sublime-text-2/getting_started/install.html#linux isn't working |
| 20:58.55 | kallisti5 | dprophit: ln -s /opt/sublime_text/sublime /usr/bin |
| 20:59.00 | kallisti5 | dprophit: ln -s /opt/sublime_text/sublime /usr/bin/sublime |
| 20:59.02 | kallisti5 | actually |
| 20:59.20 | kallisti5 | ln -s for symbolic src dest |
| 20:59.41 | cafuego | kallisti5: both of those command would do the same thing |
| 20:59.52 | cafuego | (assuming /usr/bin is a directory) |
| 20:59.53 | kallisti5 | cafuego: true.. unless you don't have /usr/bin :P |
| 20:59.56 | kallisti5 | yeah |
| 20:59.59 | dprophit | the file is sublime_text and I did sudo ln -s /opt/sublime/sublime_text /usr/bin/sublime and when I type sublime at the CLI, it says command not found. |
| 21:00.17 | cafuego | dprophit: type 'hash' |
| 21:00.26 | kallisti5 | dprophit: whats the output of ls -lah /usr/bin/sublime |
| 21:00.44 | kallisti5 | dprophit: ooh.. never heard of hash |
| 21:00.56 | kallisti5 | cafuego: sorry. never heard of hash :-) |
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| 21:01.09 | cafuego | as a command or as a substrance? :-) |
| 21:01.24 | trampel | or an entree item |
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| 21:01.51 | kallisti5 | only never heard of it as a command :P |
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| 21:01.55 | dprophit | kallisti5: ok hold on |
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| 21:02.12 | kallisti5 | cafuego: you suprised me... not often someone gives a Linux command I've never heard of :P |
| 21:02.25 | kallisti5 | documents that one in his head |
| 21:02.30 | cafuego | kallisti5: Just goes to show how old I am. |
| 21:02.41 | kallisti5 | cafuego: i'm just old enough for fuser |
| 21:03.08 | cafuego | kallisti5: it's a shell builtin though, not an actual binary |
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| 21:03.08 | trampel | yeah re-hashing the shell lookups is the old knowledge (sez the old guy) |
| 21:03.51 | cafuego | trampel: Aye. And you try it first becaue it's less typing than ls -l /full/path/to/the/thing ;-) |
| 21:03.54 | kallisti5 | `yes` is a fun command as well |
| 21:04.02 | kallisti5 | good way to bring a server down :-) |
| 21:04.04 | trampel | anyway, i worry (gormlessly) that dprophit might actually want that link the other way around ...maybe |
| 21:04.05 | kallisti5 | esp in a while look |
| 21:04.12 | oo_miguel | I am getting desperate. I use gnubiff and figured out that it uses gtk3 and the colors are influenced by ./config/gtk-3.0/setttings.ini _but_ I can not get rid of the black background behind the header (from,subject,date). Any Idea how I can change it to White? Please check the following screenshot: http://www.picpaste.com/thumbs/shit-4spGuAL8.1391979708.png |
| 21:04.43 | kallisti5 | *loop |
| 21:05.22 | souredfrog | Anyone use kfreebsd ? |
| 21:05.33 | cafuego | Yes, but. |
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| 21:05.41 | cafuego | Not on Linux. |
| 21:05.52 | souredfrog | ?? |
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| 21:06.05 | cafuego | Using freebsd kernel on osx ;-) |
| 21:06.10 | trampel | oo_miguel: there was an old bug (...rhyming couplet) in gnubiff that wouldn't allow it to adjust to theme colors... perhaps this is biting you? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnubiff/+bug/647399 |
| 21:06.20 | souredfrog | cafuego how/why? |
| 21:06.37 | oo_miguel | trampel: thanks a lot Ill check that |
| 21:06.39 | cafuego | souredfrog: There is no other way/coz that's what i got. |
| 21:06.55 | cafuego | souredfrog: I've never bothered with debian/freebsd because I've never seen the point. |
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| 21:08.19 | dprophit | cafuego: /usr/bin/sudo is what hash results |
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| 21:08.40 | cafuego | dprophit: Yup. Does `sublime' work now? |
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| 21:09.13 | dprophit | cafuego: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Feb 9 16:05 /usr/bin/sublime -> sublime_text |
| 21:09.24 | dprophit | ooh thats not right |
| 21:09.33 | cafuego | Pa-ching! |
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| 21:10.22 | MMavipc_ | I'm trying to make a live usb stick, and I'm using win32imagewriter to write the iso to the usb, but when I try to boot it I get " |
| 21:10.28 | MMavipc_ | "isolinux.bin" missing or corrupt |
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| 21:11.08 | dprophit | cafuego: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Feb 9 16:10 /usr/bin/sublime -> /opt/sublime/sublime_text |
| 21:11.27 | cafuego | dprophit: Better, but that's not what i asked ;-) |
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| 21:11.45 | cafuego | dprophit: Can you run it nowb just typing `sublime' ? |
| 21:11.53 | dprophit | sublime launches. |
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| 21:13.59 | \shawn_ | can someone help me with this printer business? i cant really tell what is going on but cups sees the printer on the network but the connection is super flaky. |
| 21:14.15 | \shawn_ | usually errors out but sometimes it prints |
| 21:14.41 | dprophit | cafuego: yes I can. New issue now. When I hit CTRL + ` and paste in package manager I get permisison denied I guess because it's in /opt |
| 21:15.03 | dprophit | so that blog wasn't the best solution I guess? |
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| 21:15.27 | mallxs | is there a way to detect if a nfs mount has already been done ? |
| 21:15.44 | mallxs | in a script it is |
| 21:15.49 | \shawn_ | gonna try to print in a fedora VM and if that works then i will know the printer is functioning :/ |
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| 21:16.33 | cafuego | mallxs: Check if it's mounted; it'll be in /etc/mtab and the output of `mount'. |
| 21:17.04 | trampel | mallxs: i'd consider examining /proc/mounts |
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| 21:17.48 | dprophit | cafuego: I'll google some more. Seems I can't install plugins with sublime being in the /opt location |
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| 21:18.06 | cafuego | dprophit: Doesn't it have a ~/.prefsdir? |
| 21:18.24 | mallxs | cafuego: trampel: yep thx .. was hoping to avoid the grep |
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| 21:18.31 | dprophit | cafuego: in it's /opt location? |
| 21:18.37 | cafuego | mallxs: Use awk then ;-) |
| 21:18.38 | dprophit | or my ~home |
| 21:18.47 | mallxs | lol |
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| 21:19.24 | cafuego | mallxs: You can also read in data line by line and use a bunch of if statements. |
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| 21:20.43 | ixio2 | you know when you press the up arror to cycle through recent commands.. is there a way to filter that ? |
| 21:20.49 | ixio2 | arrow* |
| 21:20.57 | centrx | What do you mean filter? |
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| 21:21.07 | ixio2 | how all recent commands starting with mysql |
| 21:21.17 | ixio2 | show* fml |
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| 21:21.20 | centrx | ixio2, I use history |grep <text> to find a previous command, and then you can use !<number> to run it |
| 21:21.22 | cafuego | ixio2: history | grep ^mysql |
| 21:21.30 | quup | ixio2: control+r |
| 21:21.31 | ixio2 | interesting thanks |
| 21:21.33 | quup | ixio2: and then just start typing |
| 21:21.47 | quup | hit ctrl+r again to cycle among the matches |
| 21:21.57 | ixio2 | oh nice.. real nice |
| 21:21.58 | ixio2 | thanks |
| 21:22.13 | boycottg00gle | then increase your history size (HISTSIZE) |
| 21:22.26 | boycottg00gle | and HISTFILESIZE? |
| 21:22.39 | thoonai | hey :) I have to x displays, but I can't move the cursor to display :1 but the windows of the applications are displayed on both |
| 21:23.04 | jhutchins | ixio2: Try !my to repeat the last command beginning with my |
| 21:23.25 | boycottg00gle | and be sure to backup your history files in case su/sudo something different kills your history ;-) |
| 21:24.06 | ixio2 | how do you increase histsize? |
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| 21:25.18 | apofis | ixio2: just update this variable in your .bashrc => HISTSIZE=1000 |
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| 21:25.38 | ixio2 | cheers |
| 21:25.38 | boycottg00gle | ixio2: it is a vairable - see man bash and search for it (using /) |
| 21:26.01 | jhutchins | ixio2: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Bash-History-Builtins.html http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/08/bash-history-expansion/ |
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| 21:26.24 | darksider3 | Have worked lintian over x11-xserver-utils on Debian Testing(Update at Friday)... there is an manpage error |
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| 21:27.31 | thoonai | hey :) I have to x displays, but I can't move the cursor to display :1 but the windows of the applications are displayed on both |
| 21:27.34 | thoonai | :) |
| 21:27.38 | souredfrog | ;/ |
| 21:28.20 | dprophit | cafuego: I backed out my changes and installed via custom repository http://askubuntu.com/questions/172698/how-do-i-install-sublime-text-2 |
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| 21:28.35 | worstadmin | If I remove a drive which is part of my lvm - and put it back in - how can I make sure the volume group sees it and begins reusing the physical extents on that disk? |
| 21:28.54 | worstadmin | Seems as though even though the disk is back in and showing in pvdisplay -m, it's not being used by the volume group |
| 21:28.56 | souredfrog | thoonai, System settings > Display > turn of check box for sticky edges |
| 21:28.57 | worstadmin | :/ |
| 21:29.05 | dprophit | cafuego: Now I get a new launch error: http://pastebin.com/FpXYVujB |
| 21:29.15 | jhutchins | worstadmin: You're really not supposed to do that. |
| 21:30.30 | frostschutz | vgscan, lvchange -a y should suffice. of course, assuming this was not hot removed while everything in use. in which case you already have corrupted data, not just on the missing disk |
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| 21:32.36 | thoonai | souredfrog: uhm, plain X or fluxbox :/ |
| 21:33.01 | souredfrog | thoonai What are you running |
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| 21:34.19 | thoonai | Debian 7 with X or fluxbox |
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| 21:34.53 | thoonai | diplay 0 is debian 7 with xdmx and xserver diplay 1 is debian 7 with the same as display 0 |
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| 21:35.29 | thoonai | so fluxbox is quite properly displayed and the window of xterm is properly displayed on both displays |
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| 21:36.14 | LtL | for those interested the following URL contains a more in depth description of point release 7.4 « http://paste.debian.net/81055/ » |
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| 21:56.59 | thoonai | now I'm having two problems: cursor sticks to left border of the right display and xdmx crashes, when I try to use mplayer :/ |
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| 22:02.48 | jcm | hi, I don't find how to get default gateway with pppoe despite defaultroute option: I always get this in route: 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 22:03.26 | abrotman | that's not a route |
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| 22:04.37 | maroloccio | hi. i had a usb stick with debian-7.3.0-i386-DVD-1.iso on it but i need an amd64 version on the system. is it possible to just flick a switch and have the system upgrade itself to the 64bit version? |
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| 22:07.16 | jcm | abrotman: what do you mean? if I do route del default gw 0.0.0.0 && route add default gw MY_EXTERNAL_IP I get the right route table |
| 22:07.27 | centrx | maroloccio, Negative |
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| 22:08.13 | abrotman | jcm: you sure do |
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| 22:08.53 | abrotman | jcm: there are options for ppp to set your gateway I believe, haven't used ppp in quite a number of years |
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| 22:09.54 | jcm | abrotman: I tried defaultroute in peers/dsl-provider |
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| 22:15.32 | r4ph431 | #727708 is incredible... @gnome upstream: why the hell Gnome's "developers" don't create their own distribution instead of destroying existing ones with their crap ?! |
| 22:16.00 | themill | r4ph431: wrong channel |
| 22:16.34 | r4ph431 | #gnome ? |
| 22:17.48 | abrotman | r4ph431: At this point, no one cares about your input. You're not going to add anything useful |
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| 22:18.29 | thoonai | but I could need some help with X ;) |
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| 22:18.37 | PerfDave | maroloccio: What you could do is use dpkg --get-selections on your i386 system, then use dpkg --set-selections on an amd64 system, possibly. |
| 22:19.21 | abrotman | thoonai: Those are a bit odd .. did you try with another user? |
| 22:19.34 | r4ph431 | abrotman: for me it seems obvious than requiring a specific init means that software authors need to create their own software stack themselves |
| 22:19.55 | abrotman | r4ph431: As stated above, you're in the wrong channel. Bother #debian-offtopic with your nonsense if you must. |
| 22:20.00 | thoonai | abrotman: what did I tried? |
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| 22:20.04 | abrotman | thoonai: I don't know |
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| 22:20.14 | thoonai | abrotman: x.x |
| 22:20.40 | maroloccio | PerfDave: yes, i will do that |
| 22:20.55 | abrotman | !de |
| 22:20.55 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 22:31.57 | maroloccio | what is the actual difference though in terms of i386 wheezy vs amd64? that packages give me binaries that can only access up to 4gb of ram at the time and are compiled for i386? anything else? |
| 22:32.31 | nevyn | maroloccio: more registers |
| 22:32.40 | maroloccio | the kernel of course will see the whole amount of ram, right.. but the single programs can go up to 4gb |
| 22:32.40 | nevyn | so it's a different architecture. |
| 22:32.41 | centrx | maroloccio, Performance |
| 22:32.51 | maroloccio | centrx: which is faster. 64bit? |
| 22:33.00 | centrx | maroloccio, Yes |
| 22:33.10 | centrx | maroloccio, https://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2011/10/msg00005.html |
| 22:33.18 | maroloccio | because of intel/amd primitives that are compiler ifdefs to be on? |
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| 22:34.29 | maroloccio | right, vector operations. all the cpu-specific additions introduced with modern cpus.. ok. provided the packages leverage them.. |
| 22:34.41 | maroloccio | i'll re-download the .iso and reinstall then |
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| 22:35.50 | nevyn | and given that multiarch works these days.. why wouldn't you do 64bit native for everything you can |
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| 22:36.13 | maroloccio | i am not familiar with multiarch, pls explain.. |
| 22:36.15 | abrotman | nevyn: larger binaries resident in memory? |
| 22:36.41 | nevyn | maroloccio: i386 is the original i386 instructionset. |
| 22:36.48 | nevyn | as in for a 80386 |
| 22:36.57 | maroloccio | nevyn: yes |
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| 22:37.16 | nevyn | it's 32bit but you don't get any vectorization etc etc |
| 22:37.38 | nevyn | maroloccio: multiarch let's you install 32bit binaries on a 32bit system |
| 22:37.41 | dizzylizzy | Yay jigdo! getting the newest netinstall ISOs were super quick and easy, thanks to already having the 7.3 isos! :) |
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| 22:37.44 | dizzylizzy | jigdo needs to be revived |
| 22:37.46 | nevyn | on a 64bit system |
| 22:37.57 | dizzylizzy | ls -sh |
| 22:38.00 | maroloccio | well you do get some, like sse2.. depending of what the cpu supports.. sse3, etc. |
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| 22:40.57 | maroloccio | what is a debian way to get something like os x time machine? |
| 22:41.54 | maroloccio | i.e. scheduled backups, automatic clean-up of older versions, ability to get stuff from a "point in time", ... ? (lvm snapshots? some particular software?) |
| 22:41.54 | fanderal | nevyn: does a PAE kernel support vectoring or is it just to support more ram? |
| 22:42.01 | jhutchins | maroloccio: There are a lot of ways to do backups. Nothing quite like time machine. |
| 22:42.28 | maroloccio | jhutchins: why? is TM stupid and there are better ways to do the same/ |
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| 22:43.09 | jhutchins | maroloccio: There is a whole O'Reilly book on Linux Backups, there are some enterprise grade packages like amanda and backula, there are simple utilities like rdiff-backup, and an endless combination of copying and archiving tools that can be assembled with scripts. |
| 22:43.21 | bugoff | 2 |
| 22:43.35 | jhutchins | maroloccio: You're the one who asked about it. |
| 22:43.36 | nevyn | fanderal: just more ram |
| 22:43.39 | PigFarmAnimal | Quick question-- is there any straight-forward way to get a list of contributors/developers for a package? |
| 22:43.48 | nevyn | maroloccio: no. |
| 22:43.50 | fanderal | nevyn: thanks |
| 22:43.51 | PigFarmAnimal | or, rather, for lots of packages on a list |
| 22:43.55 | nevyn | maroloccio: you don't. |
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| 22:44.04 | abrotman | PigFarmAnimal: Yes and no .. |
| 22:44.06 | maroloccio | oh, isbn 9780596102463, cool |
| 22:44.09 | nevyn | because the binaries are not compiled with support for those instructions |
| 22:44.41 | PigFarmAnimal | abrotman, internet search it for individual packages, but no way to do it for thousands? |
| 22:44.43 | nevyn | so while your cpu wimight have sse3 if you're running i386 it's never called. |
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| 22:44.51 | maroloccio | i meant to *ask* whether time machine was stupid, sorry i typed '/' rather than '?' at the end |
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| 22:45.18 | abrotman | PigFarmAnimal: You can see the uploader, but not all individual patch contributors ? |
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| 22:46.30 | maroloccio | nevyn: i am not sure sse cannot be built into a binary if memory addressability isn't too |
| 22:46.55 | MouseTheLuckyDog | I was doing a rather large project on /tmp. I crashed and am running off a liveCD. The OS is OK, but I have to reboot without clear /tmp. I need to know which service to shutdown. How can I do this? |
| 22:48.18 | fcn | MouseTheLuckyDog: why work on tmp? |
| 22:49.02 | PigFarmAnimal | abrotman, for example, some way to see that Linus worked on git, ESR is admin for gpsd, etc. |
| 22:49.16 | PigFarmAnimal | is what I'm looking for |
| 22:49.27 | abrotman | PigFarmAnimal: aptitude changelog foo |
| 22:50.19 | nevyn | maroloccio: so theres are unrelated things |
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| 22:51.06 | MouseTheLuckyDog | fcn, because I'm working with really really big files that I have no room for anywhere else, and they are going to be deleted in afew days when I'm done. |
| 22:51.18 | PigFarmAnimal | abrotman, wow, useful command. Thanks! Looks like the names listed are package maintainers rather than upstream though :| |
| 22:51.42 | nevyn | maroloccio: there's the memory address space of a 32bit binary which is 4 gig (which can be extended with PAE to 64Gig for the system but individual processes are still stuck on 4gig per process) |
| 22:51.56 | PigFarmAnimal | I'm just working on a small project, thought maybe there would be a good programmatic way to do it on a larger scale though |
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| 22:52.54 | nevyn | maroloccio: Ardit there there are cpu processing feature like SSE/SSE2/SSE3/NX branch hinting stuff that wasn't in the original i386 etc |
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| 22:53.46 | Ardit | nevyn: ?? |
| 22:54.06 | centrx | MouseTheLuckyDog, It is /etc/init.d |
| 22:54.07 | nevyn | Ardit: oops ;) and then got a tab in it somehow :( |
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| 22:54.25 | centrx | MouseTheLuckyDog, I would just be worried that something else clears /tmp too |
| 22:54.43 | Ardit | nevyn: :) |
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| 22:55.08 | nevyn | MouseTheLuckyDog: you cannot rely on /tmp persisting over reboots. |
| 22:55.13 | fcn | MouseTheLuckyDog: AFAIK, if you have an up to date debian installation, /tmp is probably mounted as a tmpfs partition. |
| 22:55.18 | waynr | win 15 |
| 22:55.21 | nevyn | MouseTheLuckyDog: on a livecd it's probably tmpfs |
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| 22:58.28 | djD3f | i saw that there was an update to debian 7.4 released today. I'm brand new to Debian. How do I update my install? |
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| 22:59.02 | themill | dpkg: tell djD3f about point release |
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| 23:02.33 | atari314 | Guys, I'm doing experiments doing an absolute minimal debian build. I mean, removing stuff even beyond the most absolute basic debootstrap. I have a question about locales tho. I already removed it and things look fine so far (despite the no locales set warning). Does I really miss anything without locales? |
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| 23:03.02 | 16WAANSAI | I need to buy a nic that is supported by debian. Could someone recommend a nic? A 100 megabit nic would be fine. The cheaper the better. |
| 23:03.03 | nevyn | atari314: local time and date presentation translations etc. |
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| 23:03.22 | nevyn | 16WAANSAI: what bus? |
| 23:03.35 | 16WAANSAI | pci express |
| 23:04.32 | atari314 | nevyn: tks, I can live without that :) |
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| 23:05.56 | 16WAANSAI | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132003 this is mymotherboard |
| 23:06.01 | djD3f | awesome! too easy ;) thanks! |
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| 23:06.44 | maroloccio | but there isn't, "like", a typical backup package to go with debian, for simple users, right? |
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| 23:07.56 | 16WAANSAI | the nic on the motherboard needs a 3.10 kernel |
| 23:08.00 | centrx | maroloccio, rsync :) |
| 23:08.20 | 16WAANSAI | but my r9 290x card needs an older kernel |
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| 23:09.18 | themill | maroloccio: rsnapshot, duplicity, obnam, ... there are many |
| 23:09.27 | Okee | How do I access the configuration settings for my sound card? I did this once before, but don't do it often enough to remember how to do it. I am running Debian stable. |
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| 23:10.27 | maroloccio | centrx: i love and use rsync but i don't find it great to keep previous versions of files. are you able to easily use it in that fashion? |
| 23:10.38 | maroloccio | themill: thank you, i'll look into those.. |
| 23:10.42 | atari314 | Okee: I usually use alsamixer (from the alsa-utils package) |
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| 23:11.00 | centrx | maroloccio, I print out my backups on paper... |
| 23:11.22 | Okee | atari314> Hmm. I am wondering if that is already on my computer? |
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| 23:11.28 | maroloccio | centrx: golden |
| 23:11.44 | nimbiotics | Hello all. I'm inserting a USB drive and I had to sudo su in order to delete a few files, Why is Files reporting I'm not the owner of the files and how can I fix this? TIA! |
| 23:11.56 | themill | maroloccio: «debtags search admin::backup» |
| 23:12.22 | Okee | atari> Alsamixer is already on my computer. |
| 23:12.48 | atari314 | Okee: doesn't it have the options you're looking for? |
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| 23:13.13 | Okee | I can't find it. Where is it? I found it with the whereis command at the command line. |
| 23:13.21 | maroloccio | themill: was using `packagesearch' w/ the backup category/tag |
| 23:13.41 | atari314 | Okee: open a terminal and type alsamixer then enter :) |
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| 23:17.32 | maroloccio | themill: that debtags CLI based search was awesome, by the way. thank you |
| 23:17.46 | themill | axi-cache search is even better |
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| 23:18.13 | diegoviola | hi |
| 23:18.19 | maroloccio | what is apt xapian? |
| 23:18.21 | diegoviola | will debian use systemd as default in the future? |
| 23:18.42 | abrotman | diegoviola: #debian-offtopic please |
| 23:18.53 | diegoviola | abrotman: why is this offtopic |
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| 23:19.00 | Okee | atari> There is a message indicating the sound device does not have any playback controls. |
| 23:19.06 | abrotman | diegoviola: because it's not a topic for *this* channel. /topic |
| 23:19.06 | dilligafoo | 3.141592653589793 |
| 23:19.39 | diegoviola | abrotman: but it's related to debian, and as far as i know, it's being decided by the developers at this time |
| 23:19.48 | abrotman | diegoviola: this is a support channel, not a policy channel, if you want to talk about the init stuff, go to #debian-offtopic. I won't ask again. |
| 23:19.48 | dilligafoo | 3.141592653589793 |
| 23:19.51 | diegoviola | there was a vote i believe |
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| 23:20.02 | diegoviola | abrotman: ok thanks |
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| 23:20.51 | diegoviola | why so rude |
| 23:21.08 | abrotman | I'm not being rude, I'm keeping this channel focused. |
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| 23:21.17 | diegoviola | ok |
| 23:21.21 | abrotman | Perhaps you're being rude by not respecting that? |
| 23:21.36 | diegoviola | ok i already asked in -offtopic, sorry about that |
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| 23:23.45 | maroloccio | any reason why 7.3 to 7.4 via dist-upgrade would err 'The authenticity of host...' upon ssh reconnect? |
| 23:24.50 | nkuttler | maroloccio: please provide the entire error |
| 23:25.29 | jhutchins | nkuttler: He's probably hand-transcribing it. |
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| 23:26.16 | nkuttler | jhutchins: too bad. i don't memorize all errors.. sounds like a stale host key.. |
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| 23:26.52 | maroloccio | jhutchins: yes, i was. i fixed it. a symlink was blown by human error (mine). other machines are fine and upgrading as i type |
| 23:26.58 | nkuttler | which is unexpected i guess as upgrading shouldn't touch those |
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| 23:27.52 | maroloccio | nkuttler: thanks for your help anyway. i get scared when "one" machines "seems" like it has tampered with (in this case, by "me") |
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| 23:28.19 | maroloccio | * machines/machine * has tampered/has been tampered |
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| 23:30.35 | Kiryx | hey, how come I can't install "mit-scheme" on debian wheezy ? it depends on libmhash2:i386 but it won't install this dependency - why ? |
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| 23:31.05 | Kiryx | I'm using x86-64 architecture |
| 23:31.14 | list | lol whoops |
| 23:31.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Kiryx about multiarch |
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| 23:31.42 | nezZario | hmm |
| 23:32.51 | Kiryx | abrotman: Thanks, is adding i386 architecture involving any risks ? |
| 23:33.05 | abrotman | hopefully not, that's the idea |
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| 23:34.41 | maroloccio | btw, the backup book i was recommended here (isb 978-0-596-10246-3) is from dec'06.. still valid advice for debian boxes? |
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| 23:36.59 | eshlox | hm, http://wklej.org/id/1268150/ where is uwsgi? ;-) (testing) |
| 23:36.59 | dilligafoo | Someone has posted a link |
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| 23:42.50 | tapoutlaptop | all of a sudden, on reboot.. most of my pids are getting oom killed. sshd, bind, ... i thought maybe the ram was bad so i tested it, and it's good, or at least passes... any ideas? |
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| 23:50.03 | digdilem | tapoutlaptop, most likely something is going mad and using too much ram. tracking that down is tricky. |
| 23:50.14 | digdilem | when oom-killer's invoked, the game's generally lost already |
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| 23:51.46 | themill | eshlox: uwsgi was removed from jessie because it has release critical bugs. http://bugs.debian.org/src:uwsgi |
| 23:51.52 | bernhard1 | anyone has a clue howto install this chess server on my debian box: schach FICS-1.7.4-Linux-Elf-I386 |
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| 23:52.31 | Yoshi11 | hmmm every time i try to install a deb using gdebi it says it is trying to install a non existent package |
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| 23:57.12 | eshlox | themill: thanks |
| 23:57.34 | themill | (given you have an interest in the package, perhaps you'd like to fix them ;) |
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| 23:59.24 | eshlox | it is funny, i have chosen debian instead of gentoo and now i need to compile uwsgi ;-P |
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