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| 00:00.51 | solrize | Nik05, yeah there was a lot more that i didn't paste, sec |
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| 00:02.38 | solrize | http://paste.debian.net/81288/ |
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| 00:04.08 | themill | solrize: did you by any chance brutally remove lots of files from /var/lib/dpkg/info? |
| 00:04.17 | Myk267 | themill: I got it. Thanks! |
| 00:04.24 | themill | np |
| 00:04.33 | solrize | no... it's possible that whoever made the openvz template removed stuff though |
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| 00:04.51 | themill | solrize: If that's the case, I'd be asking for my money back |
| 00:05.21 | solrize | i see something like this on two different hosts, one using the minimal template the other using the regular one, i think |
| 00:05.40 | solrize | never had problems with these templates til yesterday, some incompatibility with 7.4 i guess |
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| 00:06.25 | themill | no, missing files in /var/lib/dpkg/info has nothing to do with the point release |
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| 00:07.05 | themill | The problem is exposed by upgrading libc6 etc but it is not caused by that. |
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| 00:07.26 | nabblet | hi, is a point release always linked to a kernel-update? or can a kernel-update also come w/o point release? |
| 00:07.51 | dondelelcaro | nabblet: kernel updates can come without point releases if they are security related |
| 00:08.01 | dondelelcaro | nabblet: but eventually they will be rolled into a point release |
| 00:08.09 | themill | nabblet: and a point release will normally come with a kernel update for added hardware support |
| 00:08.33 | BugBite | like new chipsets |
| 00:08.44 | solrize | anyway i don't see a way to fix this other than completely trashing the vps and reinstalling it |
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| 00:09.06 | nabblet | ok thank you |
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| 00:10.26 | themill | solrize: well if the base image provided to you is stuffed then reinstalling isn't going to help (and you might like to let your provider know that their templates are stuffed) |
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| 00:11.52 | solrize | yeah i mentioned it to them... but, i think the template worked before, and got into a stuffed state when i tried to upgrade, and the vps is now completely hosed (i can't use it at all) because of the missing libc |
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| 00:12.33 | themill | solrize: as I said, the template was already broken and this breakage was exposed by the upgrade of libc6. |
| 00:12.55 | themill | solrize: do you have a root shell there at all? |
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| 00:13.12 | solrize | themill, no i only have a user shell. i can't run su or sudo because of the missing lib |
| 00:13.33 | solrize | i was able to run LD_PRELOAD=/tmp/libc[whatever] bash in order to get a usable user shell |
| 00:13.48 | solrize | but su and sudo ignore that env var |
| 00:14.01 | themill | "su --preserve-environment" should let that one pass through |
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| 00:15.34 | solrize | oh interesting. i didn't know about that |
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| 00:16.30 | solrize | nope, same error. also it occurs to me, su probably doesn't work on this box because there's no root password (i have passwordless sudo for my user account, or ssh in as root with a public/private ssh key) |
| 00:17.33 | solrize | i see sudo also recognizes that flag, but it doesn't work either |
| 00:17.37 | themill | yeah, sudo is much pickier about cleaning the environment |
| 00:17.42 | nabblet | solrize: you can try to locally ssh into your box? |
| 00:17.57 | solrize | the sshd can't run the shell because of the missing libc |
| 00:18.03 | nabblet | :/ |
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| 00:19.33 | saivert | fix it from a live linux |
| 00:19.44 | saivert | or is that too out of the question? |
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| 00:20.37 | themill | saivert: does your provider offer some sort of "rescue shell" that boots a known-safe-image and then mounts your system in it for you? |
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| 00:22.55 | keel | nabblet: any luck with your ideapad audio issue? |
| 00:23.15 | nabblet | keel: oh hi there! |
| 00:23.25 | nabblet | keel: no :/ |
| 00:23.36 | solrize | by "live linux" you mean some kind of USB boot image? the box is an OpenVZ container so i would have thought a USB boot wasn't possible, hmm. if i have to trash the box it's not a disaster, just inconvenient to reinstall stuff |
| 00:23.46 | nabblet | keel: but i think i read something about alsa/pulse in the point release note so i'll see what taht will bring |
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| 00:24.07 | solrize | rescue shell: i've never heard of that for openvz. it's an interesting idea |
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| 00:24.20 | kRush | my provider has one |
| 00:24.23 | nabblet | keel: but thank you for checking back on me :) |
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| 00:24.32 | kRush | never used it though |
| 00:24.40 | themill | solrize: it's not openvz specific -- it's something the provider builds into their server admin tools |
| 00:24.41 | solrize | i guess it would be straightforward on the host side to let one vps access the files of another one |
| 00:24.45 | keel | nabblet: np :) let me know if you got it working |
| 00:25.19 | solrize | the use solusVM which is pretty generic, and i don't remember ever seeing a feature like that |
| 00:25.19 | solrize | s/the/they/ |
| 00:25.30 | nabblet | keel: um, do you remember what my second option for error investigation was? We pretty much ruled out pulse and buffer sizes |
| 00:26.24 | nabblet | keel: oh that reminds me to test under gnome... maybe there is something enabled/set that is not under fluxbox |
| 00:26.54 | themill | solrize: the other option you have is to download the busybox-static package, unpack it into /tmp with dpkg -x and then use the busybox binary that comes in it as the target for sudo. All of those steps you can do with an LD_PRELOAD in them |
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| 00:27.05 | keel | nabblet: alsa driver module options (model=thinkpad or something) and cat /proc/interrupts, since your mouse input seemed to effect it |
| 00:27.06 | nabblet | don't want to switch away from fluxbox now. currently upgrading zu 7.4 with breathtaking 7000 B/s (5hrs left for update) |
| 00:28.00 | solrize | hmm, that is interesting, you mean sudo bash fails because it actually does try to execute bash, which then tried to load libc? ok, let me try to find busybox-static |
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| 00:30.19 | nabblet | keel: oh yes, that reminds me of |
| 00:30.35 | nabblet | Feb 9 10:32:57 box pulseaudio[6926]: [alsa-sink] alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_avail() returned a value that is exceptionally large: 378416 bytes (2145 ms). |
| 00:30.38 | nabblet | Feb 9 10:32:57 box pulseaudio[6926]: [alsa-sink] alsa-util.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers. |
| 00:30.41 | nabblet | Feb 9 10:32:57 box pulseaudio[6926]: [alsa-sink] alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_dump(): |
| 00:30.56 | nabblet | keel: i don't know why i missed those lines last time i grepped for them Oo |
| 00:32.46 | keel | nabblet: i also have those lines in my /var/log/syslog, my audio is fine though |
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| 00:33.18 | solrize | themill, i got hold of a supposedly static busybox binary, copied it to the vps, but still can't run it with sudo due to same error |
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| 00:34.24 | themill | oh... busybox-static still references libc. I'd forgotten that. bugger |
| 00:34.28 | nabblet | keel: hm :/ |
| 00:35.27 | solrize | yuch, what's the point of calling it static if it references an external lib? hmm, maybe i can make another staticaly linked executable that just copies the file. i.e. i can write a C program and compile it statically (with cc -N or something like that?) |
| 00:36.56 | nabblet | keel: well, i decided to see what 7.4 may bring. If things stay as they are I'll come back at it. I already spent (too?) much time on it... |
| 00:38.32 | keel | nabblet: sure :) |
| 00:39.08 | nabblet | keel: the simples solution probably is to make a script that moves the mouse 1 pixel every second or so :P |
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| 00:39.21 | nabblet | s/solution/workaround |
| 00:39.26 | keel | xdotool to the rescue! |
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| 00:39.45 | nabblet | notes xdotool |
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| 00:40.25 | aidan | I'm trying to start a pgsql server, I get no errors and there's no log files but nothing in ps aux |
| 00:40.43 | aidan | It's a blank wheezy |
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| 00:41.14 | sir_mud | aidan, how are you starting the server? |
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| 00:43.05 | aidan | # /etc/init.d/postgresql start |
| 00:43.40 | mallxs | keel: http://paste.debian.net/81293/ had to do the same to keep a citrix session alive |
| 00:44.22 | abrotman | did you init the DB? |
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| 00:45.00 | keel | mallxs: i suppose the magic sauce is in 'wibble' ? :D |
| 00:45.36 | sir_mud | aidan, there is: https://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql |
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| 00:45.51 | aidan | sir_mud: I went through that already |
| 00:45.55 | mallxs | keel:http://paste.debian.net/81295/ |
| 00:45.58 | aidan | sir_mud: there's nothing for "fails to start with no error" |
| 00:46.07 | sir_mud | does psql connect? |
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| 00:46.14 | aidan | no obviously |
| 00:46.20 | mallxs | keel: thats the wibbl |
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| 00:46.35 | keel | mallxs: cool :D thanks for sharing |
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| 00:47.45 | abrotman | did you init the DB? |
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| 00:47.57 | sir_mud | try starting it with pg_ctl to see if you can get an error |
| 00:48.08 | sir_mud | (or pg_ctlcluster) |
| 00:48.12 | keel | mallxs: btw, DISPALY on line 2 |
| 00:48.22 | aidan | sir_mud: I don't see a pg_ctl |
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| 00:49.27 | aidan | there's a /usr/bin/pg_ctlcluster |
| 00:50.59 | nabblet | mallxs: thanks for sharing |
| 00:51.31 | mallxs | keel: that bc i start the script in a console like: nohup /opt/Citrix/ICAClient/wfica.sh launch.ica 2&>1 >/dev/null & |
| 00:52.34 | keel | mallxs: sure, but it says DISPALY instead of DISPLAY |
| 00:53.06 | mallxs | ha that bc i'm word blind as a donky |
| 00:53.12 | mallxs | thx |
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| 00:56.16 | aidan | $pg_createcluster 9.1 main $ pg_ctlcluster start 9.1 main |
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| 00:56.16 | aidan | Now it's running ... how is that not documented anywhere? |
| 00:56.17 | abrotman | it is |
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| 00:56.25 | solrize | how i compile statically? cc -Xlinker -dn copy.c -o copy gets error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s |
| 00:56.25 | aidan | abrotman: where? |
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| 00:56.25 | solrize | hmm -static may have worked |
| 00:56.25 | aidan | abrotman: I spent 30 minutes googling the error and didn't see anyone saying "hey surprise if you're using debian and 9.1 you'll need to create a cluster or the init scripts will fail silently" |
| 00:56.48 | abrotman | aidan: I didn't realize google was the endallbeall of documentatnion :) |
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| 00:57.28 | aidan | abrotman: it's not on the debian wiki either |
| 00:57.42 | aidan | abrotman: https://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql .. |
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| 00:58.15 | aidan | "Debian PostgreSQL installation automatically calls the initdb i.e. it initializes the cluster with default encoding and locale" ... it does not! |
| 00:58.51 | solrize | noooo, even my statically linked file copying binary still fails with that shared lib error |
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| 00:59.01 | themill | solrize: hmm.. no, busybox-static *is* statically linked (I was looking at the wrong system) |
| 00:59.31 | themill | solrize: I've just butchered a vm in a similar way and the busybox dance seems to work for me here |
| 00:59.51 | solrize | sudo can run it? |
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| 01:01.38 | Imbue | hmm, having an odd issue with the main menu |
| 01:01.45 | Imbue | in gnome-shell |
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| 01:02.00 | themill | solrize: I have a very vague memory that sudo itself tries to avoid people playing with LD_PRELOAD |
| 01:02.06 | Imbue | i've disabled FreeCell, AisleRiot, and so on. they still appear. tried ticking and unticking them again, does not work. |
| 01:02.12 | Imbue | disabling other apps seems fine. |
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| 01:02.23 | Imbue | so now I have a main menu with 50% games in. lol |
| 01:02.43 | solrize | themill it wouldn't surprise me if sudo and su don't allow LD_PRELOAD |
| 01:02.50 | themill | su does |
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| 01:03.35 | solrize | hmm. i think i can set a root password through the openvz control panel |
| 01:04.07 | solrize | solusvm i mean |
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| 01:05.30 | themill | that may well fail for the same reasons |
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| 01:06.42 | solrize | solusvm might change the vps password file directly from the host node, rather than running something under the vps |
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| 01:07.36 | solrize | bleh, now the host's website is down |
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| 01:08.32 | themill | you broke it! |
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| 01:09.19 | themill | solrize: I think at this stage you're possibly limited to (a) use a rescue environment from the hoster where they pxe boot some safe image and then mount your disk for you or (b) reinstall it |
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| 01:10.45 | solrize | well i still want to try the solus password change once i can login to solus. does the concept of pxe boot even apply to containers like openvz? i thought openvz was basically a chroot jail |
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| 01:11.10 | rneese | hey guys |
| 01:11.19 | rneese | any pkg devs here I need some input |
| 01:11.30 | rneese | I need to disable src pkgs in a build |
| 01:11.37 | rneese | as we dont need them |
| 01:11.57 | themill | solrize: it's a glorified chroot yes, but they can still offer a rescue vm of some sort and mount the image for you |
| 01:12.15 | rneese | but I dont see inthe pkg build rules where to disable src pkgs |
| 01:12.17 | themill | rneese: edit debian/control (and please don't hit enter after every 5 words) |
| 01:13.21 | rneese | ok and take out all the lines pretaining to the source |
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| 01:13.57 | solrize | themill yeah i can understand the idea of a rescue vps, i just thought pxe meant a particular network protocol which wouldn't apply to this. |
| 01:14.03 | themill | rneese: note that only stops the build system making the .deb files (and may actually cause the package to fail to build) |
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| 01:14.37 | themill | solrize: indeed pxe is probably more relevant to a 'real' vm rather than a vz container |
| 01:14.55 | solrize | but, if solusvm doesn't have built-in support for rescue vm then i doubt the host has a reasonable way to do it. |
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| 01:18.12 | rneese | I just dont need the src.xz file |
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| 01:20.47 | themill | rneese: ? |
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| 01:21.22 | rneese | when it bulds the .debs its building a source.xz file |
| 01:21.29 | rneese | we dont need those |
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| 01:22.02 | crane | hey ho, i'm confused... my dns server can resolve the domain google.de also my clients can ping my dns server within my network. and i allowed recursion for this network but i get always a servfail from bind? |
| 01:22.41 | themill | rneese: it doesn't build the source file -- it builds the package *from* the source |
| 01:22.42 | solrize | actually even if i can reset the root password i don't see how i can run su since the root home shell is still /bin/bash |
| 01:22.44 | crane | my clients are within a 192.168.200.0/24 and my dns is in a dmz with 172.16.15.0/24 |
| 01:24.55 | rneese | ok |
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| 01:26.50 | Tramp | crane: and recursive resolution on the server itself works? |
| 01:27.12 | themill | solrize: you can tell su to run a different command other than the shell (-s) |
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| 01:27.31 | crane | Tramp, i don't see any "denied" messaegs in my logfile and yes, i can resolve google for example |
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| 01:28.50 | solrize | themill, hmm, interesting, but it looks like it can only run shells from /etc/shells which doesn't include busybox. hmm, what is /bin/dash? |
| 01:28.52 | Tramp | crane: ah - you said so. And you have both allow-recursion and allow-query set for the 192.168.200.0/24? |
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| 01:29.11 | themill | solrize: another shell that will also be dynamically linked |
| 01:29.15 | crane | Tramp, uhm... i thought recursion would include query? |
| 01:29.19 | solrize | hmm oh well |
| 01:29.30 | Tramp | crane: not afaik. |
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| 01:29.40 | Tramp | crane: at least I have set both ... |
| 01:29.43 | crane | Tramp, haha, then this will be my error. let me check :D |
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| 01:31.08 | themill | solrize: it doesn't need to be in /etc/shells |
| 01:31.10 | Tramp | crane: hmm. maybe not. allow-query for any appears to be the default ... |
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| 01:31.41 | solrize | hmm the man page seems to imply that it does, but i'll try my busybox copy |
| 01:33.04 | themill | solrize: if the user's normal shell is not in /etc/shells then you cannot override the shell with -s |
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| 01:33.20 | solrize | oh i see, nice |
| 01:33.20 | crane | Tramp, i have to apologize... recursion is not working not even from localhost |
| 01:33.39 | solrize | still waiting for host web site to come back so i can log into solus |
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| 01:36.33 | nixsysad | Any chance of getting crossfire to work with an APU? |
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| 01:40.20 | vimel | you are mixing two technologies |
| 01:40.31 | vimel | xfire is for two separate video cards. |
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| 01:40.50 | nixsysad | never mind; my google-fu finally kicked in |
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| 01:41.15 | nixsysad | also called "Dual Graphics" when using the APUs. and it's a win7+ "trick" |
| 01:41.16 | vimel | dual graphics is for combining the power of an apu + a dual graphics compatible discreet card. |
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| 01:41.47 | nixsysad | doesn't matter any more; time to throw more money at the problem and build a dedicated gaming box |
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| 01:45.40 | solrize | anyone else seeing inceptionhosting.com messed up? |
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| 01:48.14 | cafuego | I see the entire internet sucking for the past week. |
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| 01:48.43 | centrx | cafuego, Did you do that? |
| 01:48.50 | dvs | cafuego: because everybody is upgrading their Debian. |
| 01:48.50 | cafuego | Yeah, probably. |
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| 01:50.52 | revil | hi guys. I have a deb-src entry for sid in me sources.list. Can I install a package from source? |
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| 01:51.03 | rneese | thanks |
| 01:51.12 | rneese | ok night guys |
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| 01:51.29 | cafuego | revil: You can install the package source and build it, then install it, yes. |
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| 01:52.05 | cafuego | apt-get source foo; apt-get build-dep foo; cd foo-1.2.3 && dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 01:52.27 | cafuego | Assuming the deps from the sid version can be satisfied on whatever you're running. |
| 01:52.37 | cafuego | See also backporting. |
| 01:53.08 | revil | !paste |
| 01:53.08 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 01:53.52 | cafuego | eyes revil |
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| 01:54.23 | themill | (to check that, /msg judd checkbackport $package) |
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| 01:55.19 | revil | http://paste.debian.net/81298/ So, what could be wrong? |
| 01:55.56 | cafuego | I doubt you'll need '-t unstable'. |
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| 01:56.09 | themill | revil: have you run apt-get update? |
| 01:56.14 | revil | yep |
| 01:56.43 | themill | revil: use apt-get source $package=$version to specify the version you want |
| 01:57.19 | cafuego | It'll default to the latest available source, which is probably sid, as experimental does usually want -t. |
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| 01:57.29 | revil | themill, I can also not find anything with apt-cache search -t sid red5 |
| 01:59.20 | revil | oh.. So, apt-get source works, apt-cache finds inded nothing, and when using -t sid I also get no result.. Strange.. Anyways, I now have the source! :) Thanks guys! |
| 01:59.38 | revil | so, does apt-cache only search binary packages? |
| 01:59.42 | themill | yes |
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| 02:00.03 | themill | and do you have deb lines that match all those deb-src lines? |
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| 02:35.21 | Anon7 | hello i'm having a weird issue. I'm ssh'd into my debian server and I'm using termite to ssh in. However when in my server i try to do pstree and I get this: 'xterm-termite': unknown terminal type. |
| 02:35.26 | Anon7 | anyone have any ideas? |
| 02:35.50 | abrotman | echo $TERM |
| 02:36.02 | Anon7 | xterm-termite |
| 02:36.22 | abrotman | oso change it before ytou ssh |
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| 02:36.51 | Anon7 | to what |
| 02:37.08 | abrotman | try 'xterm' |
| 02:37.12 | abrotman | without the quotes |
| 02:37.17 | Anon7 | k |
| 02:38.17 | Anon7 | thanks |
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| 02:59.24 | mcurran | can anyone tell me how to remove libreoffice and iceweasel without removing gnome? |
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| 03:04.40 | rjsalts | mcurran: equivs? |
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| 03:06.30 | dvs | mcurran: install gnome-core, remove gnome? |
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| 03:07.52 | mcurran | okay, do you know if that covers everything the meta package will remove? |
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| 03:08.36 | rjsalts | gnome-core has dependency on iceweasel |
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| 03:09.48 | mcurran | I don't understand why this is the case. lmde which is based on jessie, does not have this mess. why would they create these dependency issues, this is why i chose debian over ubuntu and now it's a mess |
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| 03:10.21 | mcurran | is there a way to show which meta packages are installed, or are these just straight up dependencies? |
| 03:10.21 | abrotman | it's not a mess, it's rather sane IMO |
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| 03:10.50 | abrotman | Because, who wants a functional browser or a functional office suite |
| 03:10.59 | rjsalts | mcurran: use aptitude? |
| 03:11.05 | i5um41ru | anyone know how to connect wlan through terminal. |
| 03:11.11 | mcurran | i tried that, has same dependency mess |
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| 03:11.32 | mcurran | final solution was to stay with libreoffice-* installed |
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| 03:11.37 | abrotman | i5um41ru: open? wpa? wep? |
| 03:11.46 | centrx | mcurran, Uninstall the metapackages |
| 03:11.54 | i5um41ru | abrotman: what about the open first.. |
| 03:12.03 | mcurran | that's what i'm trying to do, how do i identify them? |
| 03:12.19 | mcurran | i appreciate the help by the way |
| 03:12.19 | abrotman | i5um41ru: the interfaces file is the easiest, but ther eis a nmcli program |
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| 03:13.27 | i5um41ru | abrotman: a command line tool for controlling network manager.. |
| 03:13.32 | abrotman | mcurran: aptitude search '~i~smetapackages' is a good start |
| 03:13.39 | abrotman | i5um41ru: yes ? |
| 03:14.04 | mcurran | thank you |
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| 03:14.23 | i5um41ru | abrotman: could you give one example command.. then i will read the manual page.. |
| 03:14.26 | abrotman | that will not be a full list |
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| 03:14.53 | abrotman | i5um41ru: No, I can't. Read the man page. nmcli is the command,I've not used it. Goo dluck |
| 03:15.20 | i5um41ru | abrotman: oh.. ok. |
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| 03:15.29 | mcurran | so if i remove gnome and gnome-core and then remove libreoffice-*, and then reinstall gnome and gnome-core, won't i just reinstall libreoffice-* again? |
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| 03:15.55 | centrx | mcurran, You don't need to install the metapackages |
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| 03:16.14 | centrx | mcurran, You already pulled in the dependences for gnome with the metapackages, so you don't need them any more |
| 03:16.22 | rjsalts | mcurran: yes, you want to remove them you have to select the other dependencies of the metapackage and leave off the ones you don't like |
| 03:16.26 | abrotman | i5um41ru: there is no reason to msg me |
| 03:16.41 | abrotman | i5um41ru: either ask here or #debian-offtopic |
| 03:16.41 | mcurran | so i only get two packages listed with that command you gave: gnome and gnome-core |
| 03:16.52 | i5um41ru | abrotman: ok.. I'm sorry.. how to read the rules.. at here?? |
| 03:16.54 | abrotman | mcurran: okay, what now ? |
| 03:16.59 | dvs | mcurran: No, don't get gnome and gnome-core again. |
| 03:17.00 | mcurran | your saying if i remove gnome and gnome-core, i'll still have gnome |
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| 03:17.17 | mcurran | those are just metapackages? or both standard gnome and meta |
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| 03:17.43 | rjsalts | mcurran: metapackages don't do anything except install dependencies |
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| 03:17.56 | mcurran | please let me know if you're not sure cause I really don't want to lose all my configurations this time around |
| 03:18.06 | mcurran | k |
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| 03:19.05 | rjsalts | mcurran: so mark all the dependencies in gnome and gnome-core as manually installed, remove gnome-core and gnome, then uninstall iceweasel and libreoffice. |
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| 03:19.27 | abrotman | !unmarkauto |
| 03:19.28 | dpkg | Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards). |
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| 03:19.40 | mcurran | how do i mark them as manually installed? sudo apt-mark? |
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| 03:20.10 | mcurran | okay thanks didn't see that |
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| 03:20.40 | i5um41ru | abrotman: what channel to ask about shell or bash scripting..?? |
| 03:20.50 | abrotman | #bash |
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| 03:26.00 | mcurran | wow, that has got to be one of the worst decisions I've ever seen by the gnome dev's to make these ridiculous metapackages. |
| 03:26.12 | mcurran | not even worth the time to save said disk space |
| 03:26.38 | abrotman | mcurran: please file a bug and quit whining. It just makes you look silly |
| 03:26.53 | mcurran | sorry to post my frustrations here instead of gnome, but the gnome channel is about as active as... ah, nothing... it's just not active |
| 03:26.55 | abrotman | If you don't like the decisions Debian Devleopers make, feel free to use another distro |
| 03:27.11 | abrotman | mcurran: and Gnome has nothing to do with this .. but of course, you already knew that, right ? |
| 03:27.21 | abrotman | oh, probably not |
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| 03:27.38 | freq | Debian makes the awful gnome decisions? |
| 03:27.41 | mcurran | dont' know why you antagonize abrotman,and then when people talk back you ban them |
| 03:27.51 | mcurran | I'm refraining |
| 03:27.54 | abrotman | mcurran: it's perfectly okay for your to criticize others, right? |
| 03:28.01 | abrotman | even if you're completely wrong |
| 03:28.12 | mcurran | k |
| 03:28.19 | freq | Debian makes the awful gnome decisions? |
| 03:28.24 | abrotman | freq: please stop |
| 03:28.25 | mcurran | no |
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| 03:28.39 | freq | can i get a witness? |
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| 03:28.51 | abrotman | freq: please go play in #defocus |
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| 03:54.41 | solrize | so anyway i did manage to reset the root password on that vps, but running su --shell [some static executable] still gets a missing libc error |
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| 04:04.24 | hardmath123 | Hello. |
| 04:04.26 | hardmath123 | Anyone here? |
| 04:04.30 | SirLagz | hardmath123: yes |
| 04:04.46 | mcurran | I am |
| 04:05.19 | hardmath123 | I'm trying to install some sort of Linux on an old iBook (PPC). |
| 04:05.25 | hardmath123 | Would Debian work? |
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| 04:05.41 | mcurran | most likely |
| 04:05.45 | SirLagz | hardmath123: yes |
| 04:05.55 | SirLagz | hardmath123: just make sure you get the right architecture |
| 04:06.00 | mcurran | I had no issues installing debian on a G4 PPC |
| 04:06.15 | hardmath123 | Can someone help me get started? It needs to be on an external Hard Disk |
| 04:06.22 | hardmath123 | because the iBook's disk has failed |
| 04:06.37 | mcurran | do you have network/internet access? |
| 04:06.39 | hardmath123 | Yes. |
| 04:06.43 | hardmath123 | Fast internet. |
| 04:06.49 | mcurran | I would start off with the net installer iso on a cd or usb |
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| 04:07.38 | mcurran | then just install, and depending on whether or not the ppc supports booting from usb, install the bootloader to the external disk (if it does) |
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| 04:08.16 | hardmath123 | It does boot off of FireWire (that's what we do currently) |
| 04:08.25 | hardmath123 | (but currently it runs Leopard or something) |
| 04:08.28 | mcurran | that's just my preference, I usually never install the bootloader to the primary disk's boot sector, unless linux is the only os |
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| 04:09.11 | mcurran | you may need chameleon bootloader or something, but there's really no sure way to tell until your there, OS X can be tricky |
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| 04:10.08 | rainfyre | Is the best way to search the repositories for a file from the command line aptitude search? |
| 04:10.32 | Arrowmaster | get the apt-file tool |
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| 04:14.08 | brupha | anyone up for offering some grub rescue advice? |
| 04:14.26 | tg2_ | step 1: dont pooch your grub |
| 04:14.39 | tg2_ | whats the issue with grub? |
| 04:14.44 | tg2_ | boot on a disk and it can't find grub? |
| 04:14.47 | tg2_ | or grub can't find OS? |
| 04:15.10 | brupha | no, finds the OS, I can't boot into it. Kernel won't init |
| 04:15.28 | brupha | I did a dist-upgrade. It's on an lvm2pv partition |
| 04:15.45 | brupha | well, I can get into, but not the rest. Let me get you the error. |
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| 04:16.48 | brupha | basically this boot/bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libm.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ... seems to me it's not able to mount the lvm2pv partition |
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| 04:17.00 | brupha | I can get into it using unetbootin |
| 04:17.12 | SirLagz | well then that's not a grub isue then... |
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| 04:17.38 | brupha | ok, either way it's still a problem, I can't boot. What should I be searching for specifically? |
| 04:17.53 | brupha | I'll even take ball park |
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| 04:19.53 | brupha | I can boot onto the partition, but without the lvm2pv partition loaded. |
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| 04:30.16 | zerick | Hi guys, I'm updateding from squeeze to wheezy , while the upgrade process I got stuck on bind9 upgrade, I got this error -> isc_stdio_open '/var/log/bind9-query.log' failed: permission denied |
| 04:30.50 | zerick | s/updateding/upgrading |
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| 04:30.56 | hardmath123 | Hi guys. |
| 04:30.58 | hardmath123 | I'm back. |
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| 04:31.25 | hardmath123 | How do I make an off-the-shelf HD bootable with Debian for PPC? |
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| 04:34.15 | hardmath123 | …anyone? |
| 04:35.02 | yral | hi |
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| 04:38.29 | onlinetc | I'm wanting to create a WebRTC server - How would I be able to do this? |
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| 04:40.09 | zerick | onlinetc, there's a java server (?), see openfire video conference server |
| 04:40.42 | onlinetc | zerick: http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/ ? |
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| 04:42.28 | mns | I've got two systems. one is my debian systems. and another is a windows system. I want to monitor my debian system remotely from the windows system. I would install the VNC server on teh debian system, and the vnc viewer on the windows system. is that correct ? |
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| 04:42.51 | onlinetc | mns: Define "monitor" |
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| 04:43.44 | zerick | mns, that would work to connect to the GUI trough VNC, yes |
| 04:43.54 | zerick | but, if that's what you want/need, it's ok |
| 04:44.42 | mns | onlinetc: monitor as in, be able to log on to it, help trouble shoot remotely, etc. |
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| 04:45.05 | onlinetc | You could simply set up an SSH server on the Debian machine and SSH in from the Windows machine using Putty |
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| 04:45.18 | hardmath123 | Anyone? |
| 04:45.23 | cafuego | bueller? |
| 04:45.29 | onlinetc | hardmath123: Anyone what? |
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| 04:46.44 | hardmath123 | onlinetc: can someone help me with installing Debian on PPC? |
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| 04:47.25 | mns | onlinetc: I'm trying to turn some relatives toward using debian. in order to help troubleshoot, and guide them, I would need to be able to see what they're seeing. hence the need for vnc, not ssh. |
| 04:48.05 | mns | hardmath123: I think there's a debian-ppc channel that might be able to help you. |
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| 04:48.18 | mns | hardmath123: what PPC system ? |
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| 04:48.26 | hardmath123 | An ancient iBook |
| 04:48.28 | onlinetc | mns You could use TeamViewer, if you would like |
| 04:48.34 | hardmath123 | mns: like, 12 year old iBook |
| 04:48.43 | hardmath123 | mns: and it needs to boot from an external HD |
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| 04:50.16 | treehouse | zerick |
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| 04:50.49 | mns | onlinetc: I could, but for whatever reasone, it is blocked from my office. |
| 04:51.10 | onlinetc | https://join.me ? |
| 04:51.12 | mns | hardmath123: yeah, use the debian-ppc channel. |
| 04:51.42 | hardmath123 | 's, going there. thanks. |
| 04:51.57 | yral | I like tightvnc, it has windows support, but I've never used it from windows |
| 04:52.30 | onlinetc | I'm an SSH kind of person |
| 04:53.59 | yral | cool |
| 04:55.34 | yral | I hope hardmath figures it out |
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| 04:58.34 | mns | onlinetc: personally I'm an ssh person myself. this is just more to make life easier for me to help out some of my retired relatives. I want to make it really easy for me to be able to help them, without having to travel around to their houses all the time for the simplest things. This way I can just say "yeah hold on a sec, let me see what you're doing and show you", than get remotely look at their system and guide them. |
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| 04:59.30 | onlinetc | https://join.me/ is probably what you want then mns: |
| 04:59.54 | yral | yeah, that might be easier for them |
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| 05:00.33 | yral | have the password saved, etc, maybe put a link on the desktop |
| 05:01.08 | civillian | Why is ntp in jessie still not at 4.2.7xx ? |
| 05:01.18 | civillian | I can only get 4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3 |
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| 05:02.54 | mns | onlinetc: ok will check it out |
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| 05:18.06 | Vutral | hm |
| 05:18.25 | Vutral | how do i feed the dpkg selections output to another dpkg/apt-get/aptitude ? |
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| 05:19.47 | themill | dpkg: tell Vutral about debian clone |
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| 05:33.39 | f-a | hello. I am trying to learn something about the acpi interface |
| 05:33.56 | centrx | Aren't we all... |
| 05:34.06 | f-a | when I cat a file like /pric/acpi/ibm/led I obtain http://pastebin.com/txxieXc5 |
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| 05:34.14 | f-a | how to call those functions? |
| 05:34.15 | f-a | heheh centrx |
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| 05:37.04 | centrx | f-a, echo "on" > /proc/acpi/ibm/led |
| 05:37.45 | centrx | or echo "0 on" > rather |
| 05:38.18 | centrx | where <led> is an led device between 0-15 |
| 05:39.33 | f-a | bash: echo: write error: Operation not permitted (still, that's the way to access the interface, I had no idea!) |
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| 05:42.25 | joj | Python-illerate person here. I have a Python 3 application I want to use. It requires PIL (has the line: from PIL import yadayada). I installed the package python3-pil, *BUT* "ImportError: No module named 'PIL'" persists. Converting the module name to lowercase in the script doesn't help. Any ideas? |
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| 05:42.54 | joj | *illiterate. One-line-buffers should be deprecated. |
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| 05:47.49 | centrx | joj, Seems like it should work |
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| 05:51.54 | joj | centrx: oh now it does. I issued the install and unintenionally moved by laptop so that the LAN cable became unplugged, leaving apt in the download stage. Hilarious. Nevertheless, thanks. |
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| 07:12.15 | brupha | looking for a bit of help. Tried to do a dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie. Didn't have any errors that I could see at the end couldn't reboot not sure where I can find a log of this, so I took a picture. https://www.dropbox.com/s/b7bq1nd5yprdxum/IMG_20140211_015007.jpg |
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| 07:13.01 | centrx | brupha, Did you boot into single user mode? |
| 07:13.30 | brupha | that's in single user mode |
| 07:13.49 | centrx | Right, but did you do that intentionally? |
| 07:13.53 | brupha | I added insmod normal and changed quiet to single ... I don't get that error if I try quiet |
| 07:14.14 | brupha | yes I made it boot to single intentionally when I ran into problems |
| 07:14.17 | centrx | "can't read '/etc/fstab': No such file or directory" that doesn't sound good |
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| 07:14.35 | centrx | No init found... |
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| 07:15.15 | brupha | any ideas where I could start? the partitions are there and fine |
| 07:15.15 | brupha | I can browse them on my unetbootin drive |
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| 07:15.57 | centrx | brupha, Does dpkg -C output anything |
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| 07:16.51 | brupha | at initframfs or on my unetbootin drive? |
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| 07:17.42 | brupha | I don't have dpkg at that point. It's not able to mount the vlm partition |
| 07:18.04 | brupha | sorry, lvm |
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| 07:19.00 | brupha | whenever I try using mount for any type of drive I get the missing fstab file error |
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| 07:19.25 | brupha | could it be a bad grup2 update? |
| 07:19.53 | centrx | It's possible |
| 07:20.08 | themill | or missing lvm stuff from initramfs |
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| 07:20.08 | centrx | I am not sure. This isn't really the best hour to get help :) |
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| 07:20.27 | centrx | but themill is here to save the day! |
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| 07:20.37 | themill | heh... not on this one |
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| 07:20.39 | brupha | the lvm stuff is there. I'm able to find all the partitions and activate the group |
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| 07:21.09 | neo1691 | I am installing debian wheezy on a laptop using bootable disks. But It always fails on Select and install software. Can anyone help? |
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| 07:22.11 | centrx | neo1691, How does it fail |
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| 07:23.25 | neo1691 | centrx, It will first ask me to select which software to install, so I choose Graphical Environment ssh server laptop etc, and then it retrives the packages but after retrieving it fails! |
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| 07:23.48 | centrx | *gasp* |
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| 07:24.04 | centrx | neo1691, Can you switch to a terminal and look at the log files? |
| 07:24.38 | brupha | http://pastebin.com/7haLgkzX ... my lvm from debian mint (via unetbootin) |
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| 07:27.17 | brupha | http://pastebin.com/CC0wdmrV ... my fstab from that lvm drive. Think it'd fix it if I were somehow able to get it on that boot? If so, how do I get it on that boot? |
| 07:28.28 | centrx | Broken LVM driver? |
| 07:28.56 | SwedFTP | Alright, on a fresh install when I attempt to install mysql-server and mysql-client the installation fails, and mysql server doesn't start. I've looked it up and tried all kinds of combinations of aptitude remove/clean etc... |
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| 07:30.01 | brupha | no, lvm is working fine. Mount can't find stab |
| 07:30.13 | brupha | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:30.25 | SwedFTP | This is only affecting my openvz vps, not my dedicated server, and it's a fresh install, I performed a fresh install after this issue arose, to my surprise it didn't fix the issue. |
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| 07:31.10 | tqft | Hi - am running Debian GNU/Linux unstable (sid), new install - any recommendations for which bluetooth stack? bluez or blueman? |
| 07:31.29 | centrx | SwedFTP, What is the error message |
| 07:31.44 | centrx | brupha, Find out what "module unknown not found" is about? |
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| 07:33.42 | centrx | tqft, blueman appears to be a graphical utility which uses bluez in the back-end |
| 07:34.28 | brupha | not entirely sure ... here are the mods in the grub directory http://pastebin.com/VTb1Pivc |
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| 07:35.29 | SwedFTP | centrx http://pastebin.com/jq6xsX0E |
| 07:35.33 | centrx | brupha, Can you mount the drive manually, without /etc/fstab ? |
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| 07:36.06 | brupha | loading gzio, part_msdos & ext2, all of which were setup by the grub updater |
| 07:36.09 | tqft | brupha, last time I installed it - a long while ago, I ended up with 2 gui's for bluetooth at times one from each, maybe one was a gnome special. Time to deep dive the doco again |
| 07:36.43 | brupha | I can't mount anything without the /etc/fstab file |
| 07:36.59 | brupha | I can't plug in a usb drive and mount it at that point either |
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| 07:37.33 | brupha | it recognizes the usb drive and I can see the device in /dev |
| 07:38.33 | centrx | SwedFTP, Try this: Feb 11 02:18:37 nyan mysqld_safe[15052]: InnoDB: You can disable Linux Native AIO by setting innodb_use_native_aio = 0 in my.cnf |
| 07:38.44 | centrx | SwedFTP, http://help.directadmin.com/item.php?id=529 |
| 07:39.23 | centrx | SwedFTP, Must be something with your architecture or your kernel |
| 07:39.37 | centrx | or filesystem, or other hardware, something like that |
| 07:39.54 | centrx | brupha, You should be able to manually mount the device without /etc/fstab ? |
| 07:40.01 | brupha | not sure if I clarified this, but I can mount the lvm drives just fine when booting up on debian min via unetbootin |
| 07:40.07 | centrx | right |
| 07:40.31 | centrx | brupha, I am just thinking if maybe some important package was removed/not upgraded during the upgrade |
| 07:40.47 | brupha | whenever I try to mount it, that's the error it gives |
| 07:41.03 | centrx | brupha, The easiest way to check that and get it installed would be to run apt from the main computer |
| 07:41.16 | centrx | brupha, Try specifying the file system with -t and specifying both the device and the mount directory |
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| 07:41.26 | centrx | mount [-fnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-o options] device dir |
| 07:41.29 | brupha | there any possibility of being able to chroot in? This is something I haven't done before |
| 07:42.21 | centrx | brupha, I don't know much aboutthat |
| 07:42.21 | brupha | sorry, probably a bit ahead of myself. I can run apt from my main against the drive? |
| 07:42.23 | SwedFTP | centrx, wtf, that worked beautifully, but why did this start happening all of a sudden ;/ |
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| 07:42.43 | centrx | SwedFTP, MySQL is a fickle beast |
| 07:43.17 | brupha | I agree with centrx :) |
| 07:43.24 | centrx | SwedFTP, Could be related to this security update: http://www.debian.org/security/2013/dsa-2818 |
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| 07:44.08 | SwedFTP | sorry for missing that, I was looking up everything except that... Once again, thank you! |
| 07:44.29 | centrx | You are welcome |
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| 07:46.02 | centrx | I am sorry, I must be going. |
| 07:46.23 | brupha | ok humor me a sec as I'm missing the obvious. currently the drive is mounted at /media/16d9e693-7677-413e-9573-035931bc1a2c/ |
| 07:46.30 | brupha | take it easy |
| 07:46.34 | brupha | thank you for your help |
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| 07:50.08 | TN_Jonesboro | if you install Debian having de-selected Desktop Environment, does it not install any xorg packages at all or just DE ones like GNOME or KDE? |
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| 07:51.33 | realitygrill | i think none |
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| 07:51.44 | atari314 | TN_Jonesboro, afaik, it doesn't install anything-x11 at all, unless you selected another packages which the deps require it, then it gets it by dep |
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| 07:52.46 | TN_Jonesboro | atari314: ah, thanks |
| 07:52.52 | atari314 | :) |
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| 07:53.28 | linux-fox | hi,guys |
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| 07:54.16 | ompaul | TN_Jonesboro: aiui the desktop needs xorg and without it your machine doesn't |
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| 07:55.11 | TN_Jonesboro | ompaul: I'm aware, I noticed OpenBSD gives you xorg ready to go even with no DE, so it made me curious |
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| 07:57.45 | ompaul | TN_Jonesboro: if you want you can install it later |
| 07:58.05 | ompaul | TN_Jonesboro: nothing forces nor precludes you from building your own package list or task |
| 07:58.38 | TN_Jonesboro | ompaul: I know. I just wanted to know if it came by default. relax :) |
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| 07:59.08 | ompaul | that was just additional info - did you know there were tasks |
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| 07:59.34 | ompaul | that is the meta package you select or don't in the installer |
| 07:59.46 | ompaul | and can be run later |
| 08:00.03 | ompaul | 8am :-( work oh well |
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| 08:06.05 | nf7 | What is a good system profile tool that I can use to show me detailed information about my hardware? Something similar to Speccy for Windows would be nice. |
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| 08:07.00 | rryoumaa | there is lshw |
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| 08:07.14 | anonnumberanon | nf7 conky |
| 08:07.18 | anonnumberanon | nevermind |
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| 08:08.36 | nf7 | yeah that's not really what I'm looking for |
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| 08:34.22 | osfd | Hi there, how do you get the distro you're working on from a terminal ? |
| 08:34.26 | osfd | please |
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| 08:35.31 | nkuttler | osfd: what do you mean? |
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| 08:36.30 | osfd | let's say I'm connected through ssh to a distant computer. I would like to know if I'm working on debian or fedora and the only thing I have is a terminal |
| 08:36.52 | nkuttler | osfd: apt-cache policy libc6 is a good start |
| 08:37.19 | bhuddah | osfd: try "cat /etc/debian_version" |
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| 08:37.26 | osfd | nkuttler: won't work, unless you're on a debian derivative |
| 08:37.36 | osfd | bhuddah: same |
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| 08:37.55 | bhuddah | osfd: on redhat it would be "cat /etc/redhat_release" |
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| 08:38.11 | FungiFox | cat /proc/version |
| 08:38.23 | nkuttler | osfd: yes, then you check the exit code of the commad.. or check if it exists at all |
| 08:38.37 | FungiFox | osfd: |
| 08:39.13 | ChrisH | osfd: ls -ld /etc/*release* |
| 08:39.21 | osfd | ok, this gives me a good start |
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| 08:39.58 | FungiFox | ChrisH: don't work. |
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| 08:40.22 | babilen | osfd: cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab most things you encounter in the wild. You would, however, have to parse that yourself. On Debian derivatives you will probably want to take a look at /etc/apt/sources.list in additional to whatever they claim to be in /etc/debian_version |
| 08:40.26 | nkuttler | FungiFox: "doesn't work" in this case also answerw the question |
| 08:40.42 | FungiFox | nkuttler: i gave my guess as well. |
| 08:40.49 | FungiFox | cat /proc/version |
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| 08:41.10 | babilen | osfd: Apart from that you could rely on tools such as lsb_release, but that would introduce a dependency that isn't *really* necessary |
| 08:41.10 | nkuttler | FungiFox: that's completely useless with a custom kernel for example |
| 08:41.36 | osfd | babilen: FungiFox : the cat /proc/version gives me a hint, though it's not perfectly accurate |
| 08:41.48 | nkuttler | see also lsb_release |
| 08:42.08 | FungiFox | 'whoooooo are you | who who | who who' doesn't work. |
| 08:42.09 | osfd | the distant system gives me red hat but I know it's a scientific linux |
| 08:42.18 | ChrisH | FungiFox: just checked my suggestion in CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu LTS, Solaris; gave on all of them enough files to continue and identify OS, release, and version. |
| 08:42.42 | babilen | osfd: I don't like it as it mixes two, related, but independent sources of data. The first is the installation of base-files (which necessarily come from your distribution) and the other is the installation of the kernel. While it is likely that you encounter kernels from the distribution that is by no means a given. |
| 08:43.06 | FungiFox | oh dear ChrisH you are right. |
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| 08:43.59 | bl4ckdu5t | On my debian7, I'm only able to use my bluetooth to send files. How can I receive files with it? |
| 08:44.05 | babilen | osfd: On top of that you also have problems to differentiate between different derivatives which *might* provide additional information in each of /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} -- This, btw, is a superset of the files ChrisH mentioned. |
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| 08:44.47 | bl4ckdu5t | There's no option for receiving files in the bluetooth settings and if a file is sent anyway, it doesn't see it coming |
| 08:44.54 | osfd | babilen: the /etc/release gives the information I want, though, now I know where to look to get the correct piece of info |
| 08:45.01 | bl4ckdu5t | It just fails |
| 08:45.08 | osfd | s/though/plus |
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| 08:45.36 | babilen | osfd: That won't necessarily work on all distributions thought and /etc/debian_version is what you want on Debian as /etc/release is *not* present there. |
| 08:45.53 | babilen | *though |
| 08:46.07 | FungiFox | so far i think ChrisH method works the best. |
| 08:46.09 | osfd | babilen: sure, but now I know where to look |
| 08:46.10 | FungiFox | im writing that down. |
| 08:46.37 | FungiFox | osfd: you try what Chris said? |
| 08:46.58 | osfd | FungiFox: cat /etc/*release* |
| 08:46.59 | babilen | osfd: And, fwiw, /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} also includes that file. I don't quite see how looking at a larger set of files would result in accruing less information, but meh ... I don't want to argue just for the sake of the argument. |
| 08:47.03 | FungiFox | yeah osfd |
| 08:47.04 | bl4ckdu5t | Is there no one that uses bluetooth for file sharing here? The last time I asked, I waited for a response and never got one |
| 08:47.13 | bl4ckdu5t | Am I being ignored? |
| 08:47.23 | FungiFox | bl4ckdu5t: i don't. |
| 08:47.32 | osfd | FungiFox: it gives me the answer |
| 08:47.32 | babilen | bl4ckdu5t: I have no interest in bluetooth whatsoever and I guess that I am not the only one. |
| 08:47.33 | FungiFox | osfd: it should list some files, open those with some text editor like vi or something. |
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| 08:49.10 | babilen | FungiFox: Seriosly, run "cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*}" -- you will have all the information you'll ever need. If you want to implement additional logic on top of that and want to make sure that you only look at a minimal number of files that is an additional constraint that was never mentioned. |
| 08:49.13 | nabblet_ | bl4ckdu5t: well, you will only get replies if people 1) care about it 2) have time to help you |
| 08:49.47 | FungiFox-aweigh | peace everyone. |
| 08:50.01 | nabblet_ | bl4ckdu5t: also i'm in line with babilen - first thing i do is to clean my system from that bluetooth stuff. don't need it, don't want it |
| 08:50.22 | bl4ckdu5t | I also hate bluetooth but sometimes I find the need for it |
| 08:50.42 | nabblet_ | bl4ckdu5t: also filesharig over bluetooth is not that smart. what do you want to do? |
| 08:51.00 | bl4ckdu5t | Nokia Lumia phones that require Zune for file sharing wouldn't just give me their files with a USB connection |
| 08:51.25 | ChrisH | bl4ckdu5t: not even via MPT/MTP? |
| 08:51.31 | bl4ckdu5t | I'm just trying to send some images from a Nokia Lumia |
| 08:52.31 | bl4ckdu5t | What's MPT? |
| 08:52.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell bl4ckdu5t about mpt |
| 08:52.58 | babilen | oh :( |
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| 08:53.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell bl4ckdu5t about mtp |
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| 08:54.09 | EmleyMoor | I've never got MTP to work yet - I use Android phones |
| 08:54.22 | babilen | bl4ckdu5t: It is essentially a reimplementation of the perfectly working "USB mass media" standard for mobile devices ... I guess that "Oh, it just works" was a bit too easy a method to access data on mobile phones. |
| 08:54.23 | ChrisH | bl4ckdu5t: I am no fan of filemanager GUI stuff, but I just connect my S4 via USB and get both storages shown in nautilus and co. |
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| 08:55.02 | EmleyMoor | babilen: The point of MTP is that it's safe when the filesystem is in use by the phone. USB mass storage isn't. |
| 08:55.10 | keel | babilen: lol, maybe dpkg knows about 'shitty file transfer protocols' |
| 08:55.31 | ChrisH | babilen: 4 month ago I would have agreed. But MTP does work just fine and allows to add files to the phone without unmounting it there. |
| 08:55.35 | babilen | EmleyMoor: Ah, thanks for pointing that out. :) |
| 08:55.57 | keel | Ok, that's new to me too |
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| 08:56.22 | keel | bl4ckdu5t: the internet tells me it should work with blueman |
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| 08:56.48 | babilen | IIRC you need a pretty new version of GVFS to access it without problems. This doesn't bother people who track unstable releases, but wheezy seems to be a bit of a problem in that regard. |
| 08:57.35 | solrize | anyone think the default shell for root should be busybox-static? it would help various kinds of system repair situations where the normal command environment had gotten messed up somehow. |
| 08:58.28 | keel | solrize: can you give an example? |
| 08:58.55 | EmleyMoor | solrize: I'd agree it ought to be a static shell - but I can't give an opinion on busybox |
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| 08:59.53 | solrize | well right now, my /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so is clobbered because of a packaging error and i can't get a root shell to fix it with. other times there's been file system or mount point problems etc. |
| 09:00.21 | solrize | EmleyMoor, yeah, it doesn't have to be busybox though that wraps up a bunch of utilities so there's less to go wrong |
| 09:00.29 | themill | solrize: it's not a packaging error; your VM provider has done something hideous to the image |
| 09:00.42 | ChrisH | babilen: checked and with 7.3 it does not work. with testing it works fine |
| 09:01.14 | solrize | well that's a packaging error... i suspect it's openvz.org that messed it up since i see the same thing on two different hosts |
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| 09:01.40 | themill | solrize: no, debian does packaging; your VM provider makes VMs. |
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| 09:02.00 | solrize | i mean packaging in the sense of making openvz templates, not making .debs |
| 09:02.13 | babilen | ChrisH: Yes, it needs a newer version of GVFS as mentioned earlier. I could probably dig up the version if it is of interest .. but then we should probably look into ways to allow wheezy users to use MTP. There are a bunch of FUSE based ways that we can probably backport (or are backported already) |
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| 09:02.48 | themill | solrize: that's fine -- just don't give people the impression that it's a problem with debian here because they'll be looking to help in the wrong way |
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| 09:03.12 | solrize | oh i see, yeah, ok, problem seems to be due to messed up openvz templates |
| 09:03.33 | solrize | or rather, incorrectly built ones |
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| 09:04.07 | Sycotic | Question: I am trying to setup a multiarch on a raspberry pi so I can run both armel and armhf binaries but I can't figure out how to install the libc6 armel binaries. |
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| 09:04.42 | babilen | ChrisH, bl4ckdu5t It might, for example, be easy to backports mtpfs from sid by following <ssb>, but i have no idea if it would actually work. It is, almost certainly, an attempt that is more likely to succeed that trying to backport a new gvfs version (without essentially backporting everything else) |
| 09:04.47 | babilen | brb |
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| 09:07.18 | solrize | what is the purpose of dash? it appears to be some old bsd shell that's present even in debian minimal |
| 09:07.28 | keel | Sycotic: fyi, there is also #raspbian and #raspberrypi |
| 09:07.58 | tomodachi | solrize: its probably just there for posix compliance |
| 09:08.04 | themill | solrize: it's designed to run scripts fast (as opposed to bash that is designed to be a featureful interactive shell) |
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| 09:09.14 | nabblet | keel: uhm, i don't want to be too fast, but i think upgrading to 7.4 fixed my sound issues! :) |
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| 09:09.29 | solrize | hmm once bash is cached it seems to start up in about 1 msec, about the same as dash |
| 09:09.37 | solrize | dash is certainly a lot smaller |
| 09:09.53 | solrize | i didn't realize bash had posix compliance issues but i guess i can believe it |
| 09:10.10 | keel | nabblet: that's good, did you knock on wood? |
| 09:10.36 | nabblet | keel: yes, neighbours are already complainig XD |
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| 09:11.22 | nabblet | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.29 | themill | solrize: bash is posix compliant(ish); that's not the reason. It's simply speed in process startup and speed of script execution. When you have a *lot* of scripts during boot (in particular) dash vs bash makes a big difference |
| 09:11.56 | ChrisH | babilen: My w/a is to connect my Phone with my Debian Testing Laptop and use NFS/Samba to fill the storage :) No need to use backports here. |
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| 09:13.02 | solrize | hmm ok |
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| 09:14.22 | enkidu | I had to compile vlc as my architecture is no longer supported by debian, however, it doesnt load /usr/local/lib/libvlccore.so.7 what could go wrong? |
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| 09:15.25 | ChrisH | enkidu: check ldd vlc and see which libs it refers to. LD_LIBRARY_PATH might be useful to fix it |
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| 09:15.45 | nabblet | keel: they did quite do some work on alsa http://debian.mirror.rafal.ca/debian/dists/wheezy/ChangeLog so i guess one of them did it. let me test video playback too. sound playback with mplayer seems fixed. will try with vlc later |
| 09:16.14 | Al3xG0 | how do I fix this? <3>[fglrx:KAS_Mutex_Release] *ERROR* Mutex released without holding it. |
| 09:16.43 | keel | nabblet: cool! |
| 09:16.51 | themill | dpkg: tell Al3xG0 about cross-post |
| 09:17.01 | babilen | ChrisH: Yeah, I was thinking about users on wheezy (of which we still have a few) |
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| 09:20.30 | enkidu | ChrisH: main libvlc error: No plugins found! Check your VLC installation. |
| 09:20.33 | enkidu | <3 |
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| 09:21.51 | ChrisH | enkidu: thats nothing from ldd as I asked you to check |
| 09:22.01 | nabblet | keel: ahahaha f*ck! my video file had an error too at one point so i thought the problem persist - but no! it's gone XD ahahaha |
| 09:22.30 | nabblet | watching a vid was never that exciting :P |
| 09:22.51 | keel | nabblet: that's what you get when leeching shitty flv's from pornhub |
| 09:23.23 | nabblet | keel: I see you have experience with that :P |
| 09:23.34 | keel | nabblet: rats... |
| 09:23.35 | enkidu | ChrisH: ldd is here : http://pastebin.com/v7J2bjkB |
| 09:24.32 | enkidu | dont know, why it was linked relative, not with full path |
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| 09:26.04 | ChrisH | enkidu: check line 4 libvlccore.so.7 => not found an fix it by recompiling with proper conmpiler/linker settings or use LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/local/lib/ ldd /usr/local/bin/vlc |
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| 09:28.04 | enkidu | ChrisH: I wonder, why these settings were not proper. Maybe because 90% ppl use --prefix=/usr ? |
| 09:28.12 | nabblet | keel: so anyhow. Thank you 1000 times for sticking with me! |
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| 09:30.42 | antonp | If I start a binary java blob in Debian, how can I prevent it from phoning home? |
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| 09:31.11 | nightfly | run it in an lxc with no networking? |
| 09:31.30 | solrize | there doesn't seem to be a dash-static package .. maybe there should be |
| 09:31.32 | antonp | sorry, lxc? |
| 09:31.49 | nabblet | antonp: or set up your firewall correctly |
| 09:31.53 | keel | nabblet: you're welcome |
| 09:33.03 | ChrisH | enkidu: /usr/local is not used in debian packages but for stuff YOU compiled. So YOU must answer "why these settings were not proper." |
| 09:33.04 | antonp | yeah ok, thanks |
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| 09:35.00 | enkidu | ChrisH: I used ./configure and make, without any further tweaks. will investigate. hawever, both debian and manually compiled version cannot find plugins without env variable flag |
| 09:35.26 | ghostrat | hi! |
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| 09:35.46 | ghostrat | any idea why ps/2 is not working after last update please? |
| 09:36.18 | enkidu | going to ask on videolan, sorry |
| 09:36.41 | bhuddah | !isn't working |
| 09:36.41 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 09:36.52 | ghostrat | I must to reinstall xserver-xorg-input* on every boot |
| 09:37.37 | Al3xG0 | how do I fix this? <3>[fglrx:KAS_Mutex_Release] *ERROR* Mutex released without holding it. |
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| 09:37.54 | bhuddah | Al3xG0: the isn't working thing is for you too. |
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| 09:51.09 | babilen | Al3xG0: How did you install fglrx? I am not sure if you can fix that if it turns out to be a bug as fglrx is very much closed source. Which version of fglrx is that and which Debian release are you tracking? |
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| 09:54.24 | babilen | Al3xG0: Oh, and even more importantly: Are you actually experiencing any problems? If so: Which problem is that? |
| 09:55.26 | rgr | reading the docs about the debates about sysvinit/systemd and upstart. I see my system has both sysvinit and systemd installed. But debian still defaults to sysvinit. Confused. |
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| 09:56.24 | bl4ckdu5t | ChrisH: Yea it's easy with android devices unlike iphone and Lumia |
| 09:56.34 | babilen | rgr: You can have systemd (and its components) installed while not using it as init system. |
| 09:57.12 | rgr | sure. I was going throught the init process to find out where some obscure process was launched recently and got interested in the potential move to systemd. |
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| 09:57.23 | babilen | rgr: If you would like to actually use it as init system you would have to follow the instructions given in /usr/share/doc/systemd*/README.Debian* (i.e. edit the kernel boot line) |
| 09:58.07 | rgr | have you tried it? Would I need to worry about init level launch of stuff like wicd or is that "taken care of through backward compatibility? |
| 09:59.18 | rgr | doc makes it look doable. I'll give it a lash. Experimenation is good. cheers. |
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| 10:12.33 | rgr | babilen: thats interesting. I restarted using systemd everything seems to be working but .... my "after boot" memory usage is 400 megs less. Can't really see anything of import not running. I'll redo it and compare the process list I think to be sure. Anyways, it worked, thats the main thing (and only by modifying the etc/default/grub.conf and updating grub). Good stuff. |
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| 10:14.55 | babilen | rgr: Which release are you tracking? |
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| 10:40.46 | hht | hello, is there something like hdd tune for debian? |
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| 10:41.43 | ghostrat | hdparm ? |
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| 10:42.15 | hht | i have to check it |
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| 10:42.27 | hht | hm, maybe something with gui? |
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| 10:43.12 | hht | i need to test for smart, bad blocks check and speed, can hdparm do that? |
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| 10:47.13 | rgr | its all in the man page. depends on drive type etc. quite a science. |
| 10:47.27 | hht | its hdd 2,5 |
| 10:47.34 | hht | 320gb |
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| 10:49.14 | petern_ | gnome disk utility will do some stuff |
| 10:49.36 | rgr | yeah, that tells nothing. like type, interface, controller etc. You need to do some spadework and read the manual or find a tutorial now you know what tool is the equivalent. If you have specific questions or are confused about something then here and ##linux will have the people to help alright. |
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| 10:59.30 | RoyK | hi all. anyone that knows where I can find source for a basic syslog client? I just want to send conntrack messages to an external log server without going through the local syslogd, since this uses too much cpu on a single core and thus doesn't scale very well |
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| 11:00.28 | bhuddah | RoyK: how about logger? |
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| 11:22.04 | thys | Hey, my sendmail is not working. It just freezes and does nothing until i press something then it says: exim: SIGINT received - message abandoned. Any ideas? |
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| 11:22.33 | petemc | how are you interacting with it? |
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| 11:22.38 | thys | so put in sendmail example@mail.com [enter] and then nothing happens |
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| 11:22.52 | petemc | doesnt work like that |
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| 11:34.39 | thys | petemc: http://paste.debian.net/81351/ this is the output I got |
| 11:35.34 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 11:41.12 | ChrisH | thys: Line 7 from your paste explains the reason. |
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| 11:42.01 | thys | Man.. thanks a bunch I've been dealing with this issue for two weeks + |
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| 11:45.42 | koell | where can i find the source code of an executable file loacted in /usr/bin ? i've installed turses and now want know where the source code is stored in |
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| 11:47.51 | themill | koell: in the case of a python package like that, you've already got the source although it is rearranged to form the binary package from the downloaded tarball. |
| 11:47.55 | themill | dpkg: tell koell about deb-srv |
| 11:47.57 | themill | dpkg: tell koell about deb-src |
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| 11:51.43 | koell | themill: i still dont know where the source files are. if i type in "whereis turses" i only get the path to /usr/bin :( |
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| 11:52.06 | themill | koell: what specifically do you want? |
| 11:53.02 | themill | (for example, what will you do with the source code?) |
| 11:53.29 | vimel | koell: try "locate turses" |
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| 11:55.10 | f-a | I had a script which made the led of my laptop blink. Alas, bought new laptop and cannot use leds on this one. Is there a quick and dirty (command line) way of displaying an image on screen (like, an overlay)? Or make the screen flash? Anything will do. |
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| 11:56.40 | koell | f-a: wtf the net is small :) |
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| 11:57.00 | f-a | haha koell |
| 11:57.02 | koell | themill: i would like to change the source code of turses a bit |
| 11:57.24 | koell | vimel: this works now, great |
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| 11:57.31 | petn-randall | koell: dpkg has sent you some info, did that help? |
| 11:57.48 | koell | petn-randall: not really xD |
| 11:57.50 | bluesm | I look for service that allow me to connect with my server via their server |
| 11:57.51 | themill | koell: so you probably want to "apt-get source turses" then and rebuild the package. |
| 11:58.02 | bluesm | via 80 (prefereably via web insterface) |
| 11:58.08 | bluesm | Do you know anything like that ? |
| 11:58.14 | themill | koell, vimel: editing the files on disk that dpkg thinks it is in control of isn't a great plan. |
| 11:58.20 | themill | dpkg: tell koell about package recompile |
| 11:58.22 | vimel | koell: cool. |
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| 11:59.01 | vimel | themill: i wouldnt do it myself. he just wanted to the location. |
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| 11:59.10 | koell | themill: i just want to change the command turses opens links in my browser. i know it isnt a good idea to do that, but i dont want to wait for the developer to provide a variable browser cmd |
| 11:59.29 | koell | im not really a developer xD |
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| 11:59.57 | themill | vimel: hence me asking what for... |
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| 12:00.54 | koell | f-a: ask ur question in #newsbeuter before u idle there all day long xD |
| 12:01.10 | themill | koell: it looks like it respects the BROWSER environment variable -- no source code changes requried |
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| 12:01.20 | f-a | :P |
| 12:01.46 | sajjadg | I updated my system last night and suddenly apache stopped working! I realized that it can't work with 127.0.0.1 and now working with 127.0.1.1 but my mediawiki installation doesn't work. no error. apache welcome page (it works) shows up but nothing else on /var/www works |
| 12:02.06 | keel | dpkg: tell bluesm about smart questions |
| 12:02.56 | bluesm | keel: Yeah. #debian is not perfect place to ask this question :) Sorry |
| 12:03.35 | petn-randall | bluesm: It can be, but you have to be specific in what you're looking for. |
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| 12:04.11 | Walex | sajjadg: that report does not make sense to me. Why wouldn't it work with '127.0.0.1'? have you had a look at the error log? |
| 12:04.23 | bluesm | petn-randall: Basically, way to connect with my server, when I have 22 port blocked... |
| 12:04.30 | bluesm | petn-randall: On client side :) |
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| 12:04.57 | koell | themill: i tried to set an alias for and change the browser env var, but i didn't get a solution for. because i want to open links in a custom firefox profile |
| 12:05.25 | petn-randall | bluesm: 22 ... so you want SSH? Over port 80? "connect with my server" doesn't mention the protocol, it can mean HTTP, SSH, SMTP, Websocks, Telnet, FTP, etc. ... |
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| 12:05.39 | themill | koell: make a two line script that launches the appropriate browser command and set that as browser |
| 12:05.40 | bluesm | petn-randall: Yeah.. |
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| 12:06.20 | vimel | themill: i see your point. someone that doesnt know basic linux commands prolly shouldnt be editing / looking for source files. |
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| 12:06.47 | petn-randall | bluesm: Do you have a direct TCP connection on port 80 to your machine? You can redirect port 80 to port 22, but that won't work if there's a proxy in between. |
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| 12:07.30 | wood_quinn | I would like to build FiSH-irssi, but it requires GMP. Even though I've got libgmp10 installed the configure script still can't find it and I don't know what to do. |
| 12:07.49 | keel | wood_quinn: libgmp10-dev perhaps? |
| 12:07.49 | koell | themill: i tried it like u said, but it didnt work. i also have to make sure errors have to be hidden http://paste.ubuntu.com/6914671/ |
| 12:08.03 | wood_quinn | keel: I don't have that in my package lists. |
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| 12:08.34 | keel | wood_quinn: (use apt-cache search libgmp) |
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| 12:08.59 | wood_quinn | I have. |
| 12:09.01 | bluesm | petn-randall: But it won't be able to make web server ? |
| 12:09.06 | themill | wood_quinn: to build things you need the headers etc in the -dev package too |
| 12:09.29 | keel | wood_quinn: then presumably you've found the libgmp-dev package? |
| 12:09.44 | wood_quinn | libgmp-dev it is. |
| 12:09.44 | themill | keel: in what way does it not work? Are you sure your script gets executed? |
| 12:09.56 | petn-randall | bluesm: Correct, you won't be able to run a web server on port 80 anymore. |
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| 12:11.51 | bluesm | petn-randall: But on Apache, can't I do: If requested domain is xyz.pl/mysshserver redirect to 22, if any other go with 80 ? |
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| 12:12.10 | wood_quinn | Looks like libgmp-dev isn't what I needed. |
| 12:12.14 | keel | themill: koell: themill's last message was for you I think |
| 12:12.23 | themill | urgh |
| 12:12.23 | wood_quinn | checking for __gmpz_init in -lgmp... no |
| 12:12.30 | themill | koell: in what way does it not work? Are you sure your script gets executed? |
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| 12:13.17 | wood_quinn | So clearly it's looking for something that's not on my system and I don't know if it's an incorrectly named library, function, or what. |
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| 12:14.07 | brabo | i have a question.. after going full-device encryption my usb keyb works still at grub, but not to enter the encryption passphrase. i already found a solution, add some usb modules and regenerate initramfs.. i'm wondering however, is this caused by my choosing a targeted kernel? |
| 12:15.46 | wood_quinn | It could be. Did you use this keyboard to install Debian? |
| 12:16.07 | brabo | yes, that's what bothers me, installer knows it, grub knows it, shouldnt a targeted install include these usb modules then? |
| 12:16.14 | koell | themill: im sure it gets executed, i tried it without the 2>/dev/null and it works for one link, then i've to quit turses. :( i've to send errors to /dev/null and ignore them, but then it will not work and dont open any link, just starts firefox with a blank page. |
| 12:16.28 | petn-randall | bluesm: If your webserver can speak SSH, sure. |
| 12:16.48 | bluesm | petn-randall: Whoops... |
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| 12:19.25 | themill | koell: I suspect you don't want to use both -no-remote and -new-tab there. |
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| 12:21.16 | koell | themill: i ve to use -no-remote to run different firefox profiles at the same time. and -new-tab makes sure it will open in a ew tab there. weird :) |
| 12:21.36 | themill | koell: if it's starting a new profile it's automatically a new tab |
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| 12:24.53 | koell | themill: but i want to open all links from turses in this profile on a new tab |
| 12:25.27 | koell | themill: im going to talk to the developer :) |
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| 12:25.35 | maroloccio | icedove icedove-dbg icedove-dev... major differences among these packages? |
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| 12:26.25 | paul_grozav | Hello, do you guys know if I must have a microsoft windows license in order to use wine on linux ? |
| 12:26.38 | themill | koell: in which case you don't want no-remote. It's not the turses developer you need to talk to but the firefox ones. |
| 12:26.54 | bhuddah | !irc legal advice |
| 12:27.00 | bhuddah | damn. we need a factoid. |
| 12:27.06 | paul_grozav | !irc legal advice |
| 12:27.16 | paul_grozav | ^.^ |
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| 12:27.30 | bhuddah | in short: don't ask for legal advice and expect sane answers. |
| 12:28.05 | brabo | hehe.. the legal jungle |
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| 12:28.11 | koell | themill: i've set it up on newbeuter and reddit_top as well, and it works fine there. i talk to the developer of turses, if he could implement it the same way lie in nb to have a browser cmd in the config file. |
| 12:28.20 | brabo | i've long given up trying to figure that out :p |
| 12:28.40 | themill | koell: BROWSER already does this -- there's nothing more for turses to do |
| 12:29.49 | bezaban | paul_grozav: wine project claims no |
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| 12:30.34 | bezaban | but it isn't windows, nor is it emulating it, so I'm not sure under which terms they (ms) could require one |
| 12:30.59 | wood_quinn | Wine is an implementation of the Windows API. |
| 12:31.10 | wood_quinn | And several courts have found you cannot license an API. |
| 12:31.15 | brabo | they could if you'd run a MS app on it, but then it's the app that would need a license, not wine |
| 12:31.15 | wood_quinn | You make it available or you don't. |
| 12:31.25 | bezaban | ah, useful input, there is presedence |
| 12:31.44 | wood_quinn | In addition, I'm under the impression that wine is clean-room. |
| 12:31.53 | wood_quinn | But that's hearsay. |
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| 12:32.29 | themill | (perhaps #winehq would be a better place to ask?) |
| 12:32.32 | paul_grozav | OK, so installing wine and running an application I made for windows will not be illegal from Microsoft's point of view ... right ? |
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| 12:32.53 | bezaban | correct, but quoting |
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| 12:33.10 | bezaban | that is our understanding, but quoting an irc room in court might not hold up ;) |
| 12:33.28 | paul_grozav | Yes, I understand that :) |
| 12:33.54 | paul_grozav | So, is there an official answer to this question? |
| 12:33.56 | bezaban | I would say it is perfectly legal though and I think most will agree |
| 12:34.06 | SirLagz | what was the question ? |
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| 12:34.19 | wood_quinn | Do you require a Microsoft license to use wine. |
| 12:34.28 | SirLagz | 3~no |
| 12:34.30 | wood_quinn | wine is not written by Microsoft in any way, so no. |
| 12:34.39 | SirLagz | wine uses no microsoft code |
| 12:34.40 | wood_quinn | It's an implementation of an API. |
| 12:34.41 | paul_grozav | ..."must have a microsoft windows license in order to use wine on linux ?" |
| 12:34.50 | brabo | maroloccio: first is the app itself, dbg is extra with debug symbols, dev is extra that one needs if you want to compile another app with this as dependency (exlained as best as i understand it ;)) |
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| 12:35.10 | wood_quinn | You don't need a license to make a POSIX compliant OS. |
| 12:35.12 | themill | paul_grozav: #winehq |
| 12:35.25 | paul_grozav | Yes, I should ask them too :) |
| 12:35.29 | wood_quinn | Even if you may need one to read the specification, or to claim you're compliant. |
| 12:35.31 | themill | instead. |
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| 12:43.32 | johndoe | after doing a full system upgrade, my mate DE wont start up, and im stuck with the virtual terminals. can someone lend me a hand? |
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| 12:43.59 | wood_quinn | I need mine. |
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| 12:48.29 | Iridos | hands johndoe the old rubber-hand from the corner |
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| 12:49.27 | Iridos | also... |
| 12:49.28 | Iridos | dpkg, mate |
| 12:49.29 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2 to keep its development active. MATE is not supported in #debian, see <why not mate>. http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. Possibly soon in Debian, see http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-mate-team@lists.alioth.debian.org |
| 12:49.35 | aguitel | xrandr show only one resolution in my monitor , any way to add more ? |
| 12:49.35 | Iridos | dpkg, why not mate |
| 12:49.35 | dpkg | Unfortunately, <mate> is neither in Debian, nor likely to be, based on technical objections and lack of anyone doing the work. Therefore, you can't get support for it here. Use one of the other desktop environments: <gnome>, <kde>, <xfce> or <lxde>. Alternatively, for <jessie> there will be <cinnamon>. |
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| 12:50.24 | darksider3 | I miss in the list i3, notion, ion3 and things like that x) |
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| 12:52.30 | Iridos | aguitel, yes... look in "man xrandr" - there's a --addmode and --newmode .... not as if --newmode is simple to use, though |
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| 12:52.52 | johndoe | Iridos: interesting, but thats not what people doing MATE say. they say on their webpage that MATE is to be included in jessie, and the process is on the way. |
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| 12:54.40 | Iridos | johndoe, the factoid may be outdated... I haven't heard about anything to the contrary either, though (or cared about checking, so that isn't a big surprise) |
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| 12:55.12 | Iridos | judd, versions mate-common |
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| 12:55.14 | judd | Package: mate-common on i386 -- jessie: 1.7.1.is.1.6.2-1; sid: 1.7.1.is.1.6.2-1 |
| 12:55.28 | Iridos | johndoe, yeah, seems it arrived in jessie |
| 12:55.40 | Miesco_ | How do I get silverlight?? |
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| 12:56.03 | Iridos | (which doesn't *guarantee* it'll be included in the stable distribution) |
| 12:56.20 | johndoe | i see |
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| 12:57.22 | johndoe | anyway i fixed my problem. apparently i didnt install the mate de |
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| 12:57.42 | Iridos | so... did you install it into stable or are you on jessie then? |
| 12:57.57 | Iridos | dpkg, factinfo why not mate |
| 12:57.57 | dpkg | why not mate -- created by SynrG <~synrg@0000faa3.user.oftc.net> at Fri Jun 14 15:33:53 2013 (241 days); last modified at Fri Jun 14 15:34:32 2013 by SynrG!~synrg@0000faa3.user.oftc.net; it has been requested 59 times, last by Iridos, 8m 22s ago. |
| 12:58.22 | Iridos | dpkg, factinfo mate |
| 12:58.22 | dpkg | mate -- created by redtux <redtux@chello080110235047.117.11.vie.surfer.at> at Fri Nov 28 01:01:16 2003 (3728 days); last modified at Fri Nov 22 09:50:03 2013 by nkuttler!~nkuttler@unaffiliated/nkuttler; it has been requested 167 times, last by Iridos, 8m 54s ago. |
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| 12:59.22 | darksider3 | Sorry, but that's wrong here. I have the MATE Lib's and Desktop in the Repositorys(apt-cache)... Or the information is outdated Iridos |
| 12:59.23 | johndoe | Iridos: jessie |
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| 12:59.46 | Iridos | darksider3, I think we just establisthed that it's outdated :) |
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| 13:00.23 | darksider3 | Iridos | darksider3, I think we just establisthed that it's outdated :) << Not seen, sorry x.x |
| 13:01.44 | aguitel | Iridos, this is my card:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV370 [Radeon X550] [1002:5b63] i am using radeon driver and with Xrandr i cannot change resolution |
| 13:02.17 | Iridos | actually, the <mate> one is from November and (somewhat) up to date with the last sentence... |
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| 13:03.00 | darksider3 | Iridos: dpkg hasnt adopted it |
| 13:04.11 | johndoe | should i use "testing" or "jessie" in my sources.list ? |
| 13:04.22 | darksider3 | Yepp johndoe |
| 13:04.34 | darksider3 | Or, just using apt-get for building it urself |
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| 13:06.17 | Voyager_MP | can anyone tell me how to add a programm to initrd ? (the debian way, so that it survives an update-initramfs) |
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| 13:06.33 | johndoe | themill: thanks for you help yesterday, everything is working perfectly now :) |
| 13:07.05 | themill | \o/ |
| 13:07.32 | themill | but it was today not yesterday! |
| 13:08.17 | johndoe | right! |
| 13:08.26 | fxiny | nahhh : it was a far far yesterday ;) |
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| 13:10.09 | Miesco_ | How do I get silverlight? moonlight |
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| 13:10.20 | Miesco_ | `moonlight |
| 13:10.27 | Miesco_ | `find moonlight |
| 13:10.34 | Miesco_ | ~find moonlight |
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| 13:12.08 | themill | dpkg: tell Miesco_ about moonlight |
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| 13:13.55 | Miesco_ | themill: What does that mean? |
| 13:14.12 | themill | what does what mean? |
| 13:14.21 | Voyager_MP | anyone, how to add clear to initrd ? |
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| 13:15.27 | vppy | Is there a way to back up and then import an entire debian system? I have a server on xen but its failing to export. So I was wondering if I can backup the entire system and restore it on a fresh one |
| 13:15.44 | tomodachi | vppy: its an lvm image or what? |
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| 13:15.55 | tomodachi | if you can take it offline, you can just mount the filesystem and rsync it someplace |
| 13:15.58 | tomodachi | vppy: |
| 13:16.29 | tomodachi | this is how i usually move / copy my xen machines |
| 13:16.59 | Miesco_ | themill: So moonlight isn't in the repetoir? |
| 13:17.09 | Miesco_ | themill: Whats with that gnome-help net install .page file? |
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| 13:17.29 | vppy | tomodachi: its a lvm with a massive name! is that correct? I did lv scan and I only have 1 vm on there so its that 60GB disk |
| 13:17.53 | tomodachi | lvdisplay |
| 13:18.00 | tomodachi | should give you a list of all your lvm images |
| 13:18.29 | tomodachi | mount -o loop,ro - /dev/path/to/disk-image /tmp/src |
| 13:18.35 | themill | Miesco_: as dpkg said; that's who knows what from your attempts to work across all the punctuation until you got a bot to answer. |
| 13:19.39 | vppy | tomodachi: I see its a lvm. So I mount it? |
| 13:20.08 | tomodachi | vppy: yes i gave you a syntax example above |
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| 13:20.14 | tomodachi | it will be mounted as read only in my example |
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| 13:20.42 | darksider3 | ro is then for "read-only", right? |
| 13:20.47 | Miesco_ | dpkg: tell me about moonlight |
| 13:20.53 | tomodachi | darksider3: yes |
| 13:20.58 | tomodachi | better safe than sorry |
| 13:21.07 | vppy | tomodachi: Ok, after mounting? Then what would I do? |
| 13:21.20 | Miesco_ | themill: It said they removed moonlight? |
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| 13:21.27 | darksider3 | Sure, just is an helpfull thing if i need it in the future x) |
| 13:21.36 | tomodachi | vppy: before mounting take the virtual machine offline |
| 13:21.45 | tomodachi | use some tool to copy all the files |
| 13:21.47 | tomodachi | i use rsync |
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| 13:21.59 | tomodachi | with the correct arguments |
| 13:22.00 | themill | Miesco_: correct. I too have read the factoid. |
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| 13:24.12 | Miesco_ | themill: the go-mono.com/moonlight package has no download link |
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| 13:25.04 | darksider3 | http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight ? |
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| 13:26.49 | nkuttler | !factinfo mate |
| 13:26.49 | dpkg | mate -- created by redtux <redtux@chello080110235047.117.11.vie.surfer.at> at Fri Nov 28 01:01:16 2003 (3728 days); last modified 11m 5s ago by darksider3!~darksider@tmo-109-104.customers.d1-online.com; it has been requested 176 times, last by nkuttler, 30s ago. |
| 13:26.55 | nkuttler | !mate |
| 13:26.56 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2 to keep its development active. MATE is available in Debian since Jessie. See #debian-next for support. See also: http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. actually, the <mate> one is from November and (somewhat) up to date with the last sentence |
| 13:27.02 | nkuttler | darksider3: ^^ doesn't look right |
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| 13:27.46 | darksider3 | nkuttler: Problem was that SynG has modified seconds befor me again, and the sentence was wrong then .. |
| 13:28.12 | abrotman | what is wrong with it? |
| 13:28.20 | nkuttler | self-reference? |
| 13:28.22 | themill | the jibberish that was added to the last sentence |
| 13:28.27 | abrotman | by whom? |
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| 13:28.55 | babilen | nkuttler? |
| 13:28.58 | darksider3 | wait a second.. |
| 13:29.11 | abrotman | Just remove the packages and the factoid .. problem spolved |
| 13:29.21 | themill | heh |
| 13:29.24 | nkuttler | votes abrotman for dpl |
| 13:30.14 | apm1 | thank god thats just 1 vote |
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| 13:30.34 | nkuttler | i'd pick mwilson above him though |
| 13:31.47 | darksider3 | hrm, dpkg want not forgett mate to reset it >.> |
| 13:31.59 | abrotman | so just stop playing with it |
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| 13:32.24 | darksider3 | Dont playing, Removing the last sentences.. |
| 13:32.37 | nkuttler | !mate =~ s#actually.*## |
| 13:32.37 | dpkg | nkuttler: that doesn't contain 'actually.*' |
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| 13:32.45 | abrotman | just leave it be .. |
| 13:32.45 | nkuttler | !mate |
| 13:32.46 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2 to keep its development active. MATE is available in Debian since Jessie. See #debian-next for support. See also: http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. actually, the <mate> one is from November and (somewhat) up to date with the last sentence |
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| 13:35.05 | darksider3 | Fixed..^^ |
| 13:35.07 | darksider3 | !mate |
| 13:35.08 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2 to keep its development active. MATE is available in Debian since Jessie. See #debian-next for support. See also: http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. |
| 13:35.33 | abrotman | Yes, I fixed it .. stop playing with it |
| 13:36.01 | fxiny | hmm |
| 13:36.02 | darksider3 | Just saying.. dont "playing" with it. But, thanks for fixing my fail :) |
| 13:36.45 | brabo | uhm, i'm going to repeat a question i asked 1.5 hours ago, i hope that's acceptable.. i re-installed a box with full device encryption using a usb keyboard, i chose a targeted kernel, and when it boots, grub recognized the usb keyb, but i cannot type in the encryption passphrase.. i found a fix, but i'd like to prevent it the next 4 boxes i have to do, so.. is it becaues i selected a targeted kernel? if i can know what causes it, i might be able to av |
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| 13:37.36 | johndoe | brabo: you were cut off at "i might be able to av" |
| 13:37.50 | f-a | avoid it, I bet. |
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| 13:41.53 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 13:43.11 | fxiny | brabo: so you are booting a kernel : what about the initram ? /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d |
| 13:43.19 | wfq | I am having a hard time with keyring. Every time I have to save a password on any of my programs running, the annoying screen from keyring comes up to unlock a program. Perhaps I haven't understood this |
| 13:43.31 | wfq | is it possible to disable it please? I am using Debian jessie |
| 13:44.15 | bezaban | apt-get remove gnome-keyring |
| 13:44.17 | abrotman | wfq: I think it has a timeout option, you oculd probably set it to once per session or something. |
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| 13:45.37 | wfq | abrotman, bezaban thanks. What happen is if uninstall it? Am I compromising anything or lose any functionality that I may regret in the future? |
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| 13:45.45 | darksider3 | there was in gnome2 an option under the passwordfield.. anything e.g "save keyring for this session". In Gnome3 it wastoo i think |
| 13:45.48 | abrotman | wfq: I probably wouldn't uninstall it myself |
| 13:46.27 | bezaban | if the option is storing passwords outside the keyring neither would I :) |
| 13:47.08 | wfq | yeah I shouldn't uninstall anything unless strictly necessary. I will try to set it up to ask me for it only once per session |
| 13:47.37 | bezaban | personally I don't use it because it was interfering with my smartcard setup and I don't store passwords at all :) |
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| 13:47.49 | atari314 | imho, you shouldn't install anything unless strictly necessary :) |
| 13:48.01 | darksider3 | bezaban there is an *working* smartcard device for debian? :O |
| 13:48.15 | bezaban | darksider3: I've used several |
| 13:48.27 | bezaban | via pcsc and opensc |
| 13:48.56 | bezaban | ACS101 is one and a omnikey3012 are the two I have at hand here |
| 13:49.14 | bezaban | acr101* |
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| 13:49.37 | darksider3 | Have heared about the Omnikey... but it has problems a few years ago. So i dont was buying that ^^ |
| 13:49.47 | koell | lets play together http://69.164.192.211/flappy.html |
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| 13:50.05 | bezaban | one hurdle you might meet is the support of the actual cards, but a lot are supported |
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| 13:50.27 | abrotman | koell: wrong channel I suspect? |
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| 13:51.07 | koell | sure :) |
| 13:51.24 | abrotman | koell: perhaps you wanted #debian-offtopic |
| 13:51.32 | koell | yeah |
| 13:51.33 | darksider3 | k bezaban |
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| 13:56.37 | dyre17 | Hi all. I am looking for the correct docs for a certain problem. Often times, when installing Debian, I have trouble finding hardware drivers/firmware for many devices. Most commonly, video & wifi adapter, but not always limited to that. Due to slow internet, I typically use network install cd's. |
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| 14:01.13 | darksider3 | dyre what's the question? Only searching docs for setup/drivers? |
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| 14:01.25 | wcmckee | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.28 | aemquo | Shame that Debian has such a low clang version... |
| 14:02.01 | dyre17 | darksider3: Yes, looking for the docs for location more drivers during install, pls |
| 14:02.02 | abrotman | aemquo: work with the maintainer to get newer versions in |
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| 14:02.14 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dyre17 about firmware images |
| 14:02.22 | aemquo | Newer versions can only be added to the next release, no? |
| 14:02.36 | aemquo | When it freezes in november. |
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| 14:02.47 | abrotman | aemquo: you didn't specify which version of Debian, so I don't know which version you were referring to |
| 14:02.55 | aemquo | Wheezy |
| 14:03.04 | abrotman | you just made a blanket statement .. and there are backports, so yes, you could possibly help get a backport going for wheezy |
| 14:03.15 | aemquo | 3.0-6.2 is ancient |
| 14:03.18 | abrotman | not sure of the feasibility, but you could ask the maintainer |
| 14:03.26 | joj | dyre17: well, the steps are a) identify your problem and b) look for a solution (or several) and c) apply (and possibly understand) the solution). a) https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice, b|c) the internet. Or just ask this channel about a *specific* problem). |
| 14:03.26 | abrotman | s/could/should/ |
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| 14:03.55 | abrotman | aemquo: If you're not willing to help, you'll just have to wait. |
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| 14:04.44 | darksider3 | dyre17 often helps first identifying the chip of your needed firmware. If you know it, im sure you find a working driver.. |
| 14:04.47 | themill | aemquo: it's llvm-3.1, actually; newer versions are in newer releases. |
| 14:05.14 | fxiny | do like me , just wait : i still run lenny and squeeze and i have a nice life |
| 14:05.25 | abrotman | fxiny: You also ahve no security support |
| 14:05.39 | dyre17 | darksider3, joj: thx |
| 14:06.25 | fxiny | abrotman: true , but i am a user not an admin . |
| 14:06.36 | abrotman | fxiny: I don't see how that's relevant |
| 14:06.47 | fxiny | is relevant |
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| 14:06.55 | abrotman | fxiny: is very much not relevant |
| 14:07.03 | fxiny | your opinion |
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| 14:07.28 | abrotman | fxiny: you have security issues on lenny whether you're running a server or a desktop .. ignoring those doesn't make them go away. |
| 14:07.36 | fxiny | i have security support for squeeze |
| 14:07.54 | abrotman | for three more months .. good job |
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| 14:08.56 | fxiny | abrotman: three monts ? that's why i joined today after 5 or 6 years |
| 14:09.19 | abrotman | Thank goodness |
| 14:09.22 | fxiny | measuring the snake i have to swallow next install |
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| 14:10.46 | lecoeus` | i am installing debian on a computer with uefi and the guided partitioning wants to have a /boot partition formatted as ext2 |
| 14:10.52 | lecoeus` | shouldn't it be fat32? |
| 14:10.57 | fxiny | and only because i read the thread about jessie and systemd |
| 14:11.19 | darksider3 | Dont know why hardinfo isnt in Jessie; Its just compiles and works here O_o |
| 14:11.54 | atari314 | lecoeus`: nope :) |
| 14:11.57 | abrotman | darksider3: you haven't packaged it yet. |
| 14:12.30 | darksider3 | Nopes.. Btw packaging was with rpm much more easy as with dpkg/deb |
| 14:12.36 | lecoeus` | atari314: so uefi will work if i format /boot with ext2? |
| 14:12.45 | themill | darksider3: not really. |
| 14:12.47 | fxiny | thank goodness ? thank you indeed : you are still playing the same scratched vinyl |
| 14:13.16 | abrotman | darksider3: so why are you here? |
| 14:13.30 | darksider3 | themill: I've tried it.. is was my feeling with that. |
| 14:13.36 | atari314 | lecoeus`: a boot partition is not really required, it's just an option to place your bootloader on a separated partition. In fact, the boot partition have nothing to do with UEFI :) |
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| 14:13.50 | lecoeus` | atari314: i see, thanks |
| 14:13.59 | atari314 | lecoeus`: ^^ |
| 14:14.13 | themill | darksider3: that's just familiarity then -- if the upstream is sane the packaging for any distribution is easy (although rpm spec files throwing everything in one file makes life harder than necessary) |
| 14:14.39 | joj | lecoeus`: that depends on whether your firmware can handle file system! if your firmware can read ext[2-4], you're good. The specification at least says AFAIK that only FAT variants are supported. |
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| 14:15.20 | lecoeus` | joj: damn, i pressed install already |
| 14:15.38 | lecoeus` | i guess we'll see |
| 14:15.41 | joj | lecoeus`: ah I found some hints on custom firmware: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=173353 |
| 14:15.59 | darksider3 | themill: I have to read me into deb-packaging again to give a good answer x.x Have more forgotten as i know allready about it ^^ |
| 14:16.06 | joj | lecoeus`: quote "The code at that URL looks like a version of the ext2/3/4fs drivers included in rEFInd. In order to be useful, one of two conditions must be met:" |
| 14:16.38 | darksider3 | abrotman: In which context? RPM/DEB? |
| 14:16.53 | abrotman | blinks .. |
| 14:17.10 | abrotman | !de |
| 14:17.11 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 14:21.00 | sunbeam | anyone in here using Composer? |
| 14:21.37 | darksider3 | abrotman "so why are you here?". Im search the context. |
| 14:21.47 | abrotman | I bet ... |
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| 14:25.30 | fxiny | everything compiles , most things are old and you go for the latest . Then you end like me : not upgrading because is too hard |
| 14:25.46 | fxiny | i remember compiling tripwire in woody |
| 14:26.53 | fxiny | debs are nice and handy no doubts . rpm ? i cannot remember |
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| 14:28.22 | darksider3 | Noo, just wondering. Not more.. btw i do read the manpage actually about it fxiny. Need to learn it.. |
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| 14:28.57 | fxiny | take the build depends trick . you know nothing , it downloads , yoy run a script and wait . but i do not like it |
| 14:29.33 | jmd | How can I set the runlevel from the bootloader ? |
| 14:29.45 | zeto28 | question: I run wheezy and aptitude just asked me to install a security update for iceweasel from version 17 to version 24, thereby breaking addons. is this legit? debian.org/security/ has nothing on this upgrade. |
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| 14:32.03 | M4dH4TT3r | hello, I have a debian iso for my architecture and would like to know how to install it over adb? |
| 14:32.24 | darksider3 | yoy fxiny? |
| 14:32.51 | fxiny | what ? |
| 14:32.54 | jmd | M4dH4TT3r: you don't install isos |
| 14:33.38 | darksider3 | yoy=year-on-year or other? |
| 14:33.57 | fxiny | the original |
| 14:34.17 | fxiny | still running debian |
| 14:34.22 | fxiny | nothing else |
| 14:34.48 | abrotman | zeto28: yes, it is |
| 14:34.52 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweseasl |
| 14:34.53 | judd | No package named 'iceweseasl' was found in i386. |
| 14:34.55 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 14:34.56 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 24.2.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 24.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 24.3.0esr-1; experimental: 27.0-2 |
| 14:35.02 | abrotman | zeto28: ^^ |
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| 14:35.37 | M4dH4TT3r | jmd well thats the only way debian is packaged for this arc |
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| 14:35.55 | zeto28 | abrotman: thanks for the answer. what could be the reason for this version leap? I thought this was a big no-no for stable. |
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| 14:36.20 | abrotman | zeto28: Some apps get a pass .. Mozilla apps are one of them |
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| 14:37.00 | jmd | M4dH4TT3r: I presume that by "iso" you are mean a disk image? |
| 14:37.01 | zeto28 | abrotman: it's still a bummer because the upgrade breaks xul-ext-certificatepatrol |
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| 14:37.11 | M4dH4TT3r | yes |
| 14:37.32 | M4dH4TT3r | took you that long to figure that out jmd? |
| 14:37.35 | jmd | Well then it is something you burn to a disk. You don't "install" it. |
| 14:37.41 | darksider3 | fxiny just have it only too. But i had an 20 years old laptop, where debian dont works. There i had to use an fork of fed... befor i've heared about the server edition x.x |
| 14:37.57 | M4dH4TT3r | wow you are super slow... |
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| 14:38.15 | abrotman | zeto28: look for a newer veresion of that |
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| 14:38.25 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: what is ADB? |
| 14:38.42 | abrotman | probably the more important question here |
| 14:38.54 | jmd | ignores M4dH4TT3r |
| 14:38.54 | M4dH4TT3r | android debug bridge |
| 14:39.00 | abrotman | And I'm out :) |
| 14:39.18 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: you may want to explain in more detail what that is, or what your'e trying to do |
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| 14:40.04 | M4dH4TT3r | I am "installing" debian on a cellphone over adb |
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| 14:40.37 | abrotman | Not a side-by-side install that most use for Android devices? |
| 14:40.37 | M4dH4TT3r | no |
| 14:40.40 | M4dH4TT3r | full |
| 14:40.49 | abrotman | You might have better luck with #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:41.01 | abrotman | didn't even know about this ADB |
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| 14:42.05 | M4dH4TT3r | besides fastboot ADB is the connection interface most often used for flashing android devices |
| 14:42.23 | M4dH4TT3r | like tftp for a router |
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| 14:43.08 | fxiny | darksider3: compiling in debian today is f* easy , but at times unethical . i do not care what they say about pure debian : to me , dowloading 140 debs , running configure and deleting everything cause it won't compile is immoral |
| 14:43.17 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: I get the concept, but I know nothing about it |
| 14:43.45 | M4dH4TT3r | I know lots about it was just wondering how to push debian so it would work |
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| 14:44.12 | fxiny | darksider3: but caring about old hardware is not , my beloved PII 400 deschutes died 4 years ago and i know the feeling |
| 14:44.37 | jmd | There's a whole heap of stuff in /etc/rcS.d which ought not to be there. |
| 14:44.43 | fxiny | build depends in the wrong hands is absolutely immoral |
| 14:44.50 | jmd | Under what category do I file a bug? |
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| 14:45.01 | atari314 | fxiny: compiling in debian is easy as long you don't change anything, as soon you start removing deps and options you not necessary agree should be "default" things get a bit complicated :) |
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| 14:47.01 | atari314 | fxiny: I recently made a "journey" recompiling gimp, inkscape, gtk2, mplayer, filezilla, transmission and other packages to trim all the fat. It took some time, but I was able to reduce the 1gb footprint to 200mb... :) |
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| 14:47.57 | atari314 | fxiny: and I srsly can't see how that can be immoral in any way, shape or form. One size fits all not always "fits all" :) |
| 14:48.13 | fxiny | atari314: not you gimme a sec |
| 14:48.13 | darksider3 | dejá vu... fxiny: I take a look to that, and my old laptop is godlike for me :P |
| 14:48.39 | M4dH4TT3r | lol |
| 14:49.13 | M4dH4TT3r | im running a pentium 1 at 167 Mhz with 32MB of ramm how old is your laptop? |
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| 14:50.17 | darksider3 | Now? 19 Years. Have it a year ago upgraded to an pentium M and 1 GB ram.. befor ca. the self like yours. |
| 14:50.46 | fxiny | atari314: saying : do not compile , help the mantainer and so on is somehow fascist . explaining that downloading 100 debs , then running a script like configure and make . after that deleting everything in case of failure is unethical in my opinion is correct |
| 14:50.47 | darksider3 | Dont know it exactly(RAM), but processor was an Pentium 2 |
| 14:51.10 | M4dH4TT3r | m thats the pent 4 with 2 cores righht? |
| 14:51.22 | atari314 | is this for real? lol... |
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| 14:51.42 | darksider3 | Noo, the M(FIRST Pentium M) 1 Core |
| 14:51.55 | M4dH4TT3r | ahh |
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| 14:52.11 | M4dH4TT3r | nm im thinnking r |
| 14:52.35 | fxiny | so compiling could be acceptable under some circumstances but absolutely wrong in general |
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| 14:53.04 | atari314 | is this trolling? I can't be sure... |
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| 14:53.23 | M4dH4TT3r | yeah i got a M with 2GB of ramm im turning into a wall mounted media console |
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| 14:54.50 | M4dH4TT3r | no atari314 just a grammer nazi theyre everywhere |
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| 14:56.19 | abailarri | Hello. I'm trying to implement a HTTPS to an specific subdomain, but I can't. Anyone can help me please? I can show the vhost configuration |
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| 14:57.23 | atari314 | M4dH4TT3r, guess if he check gentoo (where everything is recompiled by default) his mind would blow, lol xD |
| 14:57.32 | abrotman | !ot |
| 14:57.33 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 14:57.42 | fxiny | you do not understand : take gaming , take wine , the latest version . do you thing downloading via build depends to compile it is ok ? |
| 14:58.12 | vppy | tomodachi: still trying to mount the lvm. I cannot find the volume for my debian install? |
| 14:58.12 | atari314 | repeats to himself "do not feed the troll" |
| 14:58.18 | vppy | How do I do that? |
| 14:58.41 | tomodachi | vppy: under /etc/xen |
| 14:58.47 | tomodachi | you shoul have your vms config file? yes? |
| 14:58.51 | fxiny | atari314: name this f* troll |
| 14:58.56 | fxiny | name it |
| 14:59.03 | tomodachi | vppy: check inside of it the path to your lvm |
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| 14:59.06 | NeilHanlon | This isn't necessarily debian specific... but I manage some servers for a hosting company.. and cPanel is showing that users are over quota, but their home directories are not that big. |
| 14:59.23 | NeilHanlon | repquota shows the correct quota on /, and the wrong quota in /home |
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| 14:59.33 | M4dH4TT3r | i can imagine abrotman, there would be intelligent conversation while the other 1k ppl idle and bitch as always |
| 14:59.36 | NeilHanlon | Any ideas on how to hunt this down? |
| 14:59.42 | vppy | tomodachi: under that there are two files: oxenstored.conf xl.conf |
| 14:59.46 | M4dH4TT3r | lmao |
| 14:59.51 | vppy | tomodachi: Which would it be? |
| 15:00.48 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: That's not the point. |
| 15:00.52 | tomodachi | vppy: well you can have maby virtual hosts, i dont know WHICH of the ones you named is for the vm you want to copy |
| 15:01.00 | tomodachi | usually they have the same name as the hostname |
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| 15:01.10 | M4dH4TT3r | ik still lmao though abrotman |
| 15:01.10 | fxiny | gentoo compiles by design |
| 15:01.11 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: I'm going to suggest that you and fxiny take your nonsensical conversation to #debian-offtopic please. |
| 15:01.39 | M4dH4TT3r | what nonsensical convo? |
| 15:01.39 | abrotman | Thank you |
| 15:02.29 | Imbue | how wide-covering is the amd64 distribution now? are 32bit x86 processors still being manufactured? |
| 15:02.45 | Imbue | budget ranges etc |
| 15:02.55 | abrotman | Imbue: yes, they are. Smaller/embedded as well |
| 15:03.02 | jmd | abrotman: I put M4dH4TT3r in my /ignore list. That is usually the best way. |
| 15:03.11 | abrotman | jmd: Yes, I know .. I can see that |
| 15:03.35 | fxiny | abrotman: i understand and i stop it here . i overreacted a bit on the "troll" lines ... |
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| 15:04.32 | M4dH4TT3r | jmd I'm glad you ignored me because you were overly slow in the head and trying to answer a question you knew nothing abouut while correcting grammer in order to apper like you had a clue... |
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| 15:04.54 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: That's quite enough. |
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| 15:05.49 | darksider3 | grml.. Someone know an method to find/identify unused/not needed packages with apt or a tool? |
| 15:06.00 | abrotman | darksider3: in which distro? |
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| 15:06.22 | darksider3 | Debian Jessie |
| 15:06.27 | tomodachi | darksider3: some packages wich dont have anoyone depending on them, but that is not the same as being unused. |
| 15:06.47 | tomodachi | just because nothing depends on the command ls , does not mean its not good to have around |
| 15:06.56 | abrotman | darksider3: deborphan, good luck |
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| 15:07.07 | darksider3 | thanks abrotman, tomodachi |
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| 15:07.41 | atari314 | bash.org got a nice funny addition :D |
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| 15:08.50 | nkuttler | bah.. wheezy's rst2pdf is from 2011.. |
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| 15:09.22 | nkuttler | ,v rst2pdf |
| 15:09.24 | judd | Package: rst2pdf on i386 -- squeeze: 0.14.2-1; wheezy: 0.16-2; jessie: 0.93-1; sid: 0.93-2 |
| 15:09.31 | nkuttler | :\ |
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| 15:19.20 | SirVictory | "/dev/mapper/vg1-enclv1 985G 200M 935G 1%" <--- partial output of 'df -h' |
| 15:19.27 | SirVictory | does that make sense to anyone? if 200M were used, why is only 935G left? there is a 50,000M difference, not 200M. Also, this is a newly formated ext4 filesystem, why would there by ANY space used? |
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| 15:21.29 | aemquo | SirVictory, have you allocated any space for root? |
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| 15:22.12 | SirVictory | aemquo: this isn't a root partition, its just for storage. Is that what you mean? |
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| 15:22.32 | aemquo | iirc mkfs.ext4 reserves 5% for root unless you tell it not to |
| 15:23.12 | aemquo | How does one manage ext partitions? I forgot the name of the tool |
| 15:23.22 | SirVictory | I used mkfs.ext4 |
| 15:23.47 | jmd | SirVictory: He means the superuser, not the root filesystem. |
| 15:23.50 | SirVictory | I'll have to look into what that 5% reserve is for. That makes sense, |
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| 15:24.27 | iaj_ | hi there |
| 15:24.35 | SirVictory | well that explains the discrepancy between the available and used space, but not why 200M is used :\ |
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| 15:24.58 | iaj_ | when I remove a file from the /etc/cron.daily/ to /tmp/ will the according cronjob be removed? |
| 15:25.01 | joj | SirVictory: the fs reserves 5% of all blocks for the root user. The purpose of this is that, if by chance your root/another important partition fills up, you don't end up with a completely unusuable system but can still log in as root and clean the system out |
| 15:25.08 | iaj_ | Or are there some more steps neccessary? |
| 15:25.52 | joj | SirVictory: also, with tune2fs -l $BLOCKDEVICE you can display the current fs config including this setting, and with tune2fs -m $percantage $blockdevice you can configure this parameter |
| 15:26.08 | aemquo | SirVictory, tune2fs -l <partition> |
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| 15:26.23 | aemquo | Look for "Reserved block count" |
| 15:26.28 | aemquo | Change it with -m |
| 15:26.33 | SirVictory | ok, thanks. This is not the root partitoin, its just a external drive for storage. Would it be safe to set that to 0% then? |
| 15:26.39 | aemquo | Yes |
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| 15:27.02 | aemquo | After you set it, check "df -h" to see if it changed. |
| 15:27.16 | joj | no re-mount necessary, btw |
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| 15:29.41 | armin | hi, in nginx, though i use "ssl_protocols TLSv1 TLSv1.1 TLSv1.2;", it seems my server does not support tls 1.2, any hint why so? |
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| 15:30.06 | SirVictory | Ok that worked great. Thank you all. |
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| 15:32.17 | SirVictory | Available space is the same as size, except for the 200M that is used. This is an ext4 filesystem, but I've reformatted several times, trying ext3 and ext2 as well. There is /nothing/ on the drive except an empty lost+found folder. |
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| 15:33.19 | Walex | armin: very few implementations of 1.2 |
| 15:34.13 | Walex | SirVictory: that's as expected. |
| 15:34.50 | Walex | SirVictory: that's how the 'ext' filesystems work. |
| 15:35.25 | aemquo | Is btrfs a viable fs option, or should one wait? |
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| 15:36.03 | Walex | aemquo: it is viable for most uses except as a replacement for MD RAID |
| 15:36.30 | Walex | aemquo: it has somewhat odd behaviours when used for RAID-style operations |
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| 15:37.07 | armin | Walex: so i have no possibility to gain the benefits of tls 1.2 on a debian stable box right now? |
| 15:37.39 | aemquo | Ah |
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| 15:39.54 | hans_henrik | whats the difference between Debian full CD and debian full DVD? |
| 15:40.03 | hans_henrik | ...other than the size of the download |
| 15:40.03 | Walex | armin: have you got a browser that can do 1.2? |
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| 15:40.43 | armin | Walex: yes. |
| 15:40.50 | aemquo | hans_henrik, DVD has more packages, but CD1 or DVD1 are able to do an install |
| 15:40.53 | Walex | armin: lucky you! :-) |
| 15:41.29 | hans_henrik | whats the difference between debian-7.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso and debian-7.4.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso and debian-7.4.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso ? |
| 15:41.35 | hans_henrik | just slightly more up to date? |
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| 15:41.43 | aemquo | More packages. |
| 15:41.45 | hans_henrik | (they all have different file sizes btw) |
| 15:42.00 | aemquo | You only need CD/DVD 1 to install. The rest just hold packages. |
| 15:42.02 | Walex | hans_henrik: the full Debian package collections takes around 10 DVDs. |
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| 15:42.50 | anup | hey |
| 15:43.04 | anup | I have installed debian 7.2 wheezy on my system |
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| 15:43.25 | anup | I am having a HP pavilion g6 2320 tx lap |
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| 15:43.46 | anup | I am unable to get GRUB in that ? |
| 15:43.53 | anup | how can I fix it |
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| 15:44.23 | relipse | unable to get local issuer certificate <-- BUT I PUT IT IN /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/<name>.cr |
| 15:44.25 | relipse | crt~ |
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| 15:45.00 | Imbue | what are the debian-update images for? |
| 15:45.04 | Imbue | offline update of 7.3 to 7.4? |
| 15:45.06 | bezaban | anup: you should be able to get grub. Did you install to master boot record? |
| 15:45.18 | petn-randall | anup: Can you provide more info? How are you unable to get grub on it? Does it fail while using the installer? |
| 15:45.18 | relipse | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:47.15 | anup | bezaban: install master boot record? |
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| 15:48.05 | anup | petn-randall: I installed Debian in my lap via graphical install method |
| 15:48.18 | bezaban | anup: ok. Lets start from the top. Answer petn-randall and explain what your problem is. Also, are you dual booting? |
| 15:48.39 | bezaban | (seeing as the workday is soon over and I'll be out the door in a few <.<) |
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| 15:49.05 | anup | petn-randall: fyi: For my laptop hp pavilion g6 it comes with windows 8 pre isntalled |
| 15:49.31 | bezaban | what is happening when you try to install grub? |
| 15:49.43 | anup | I have installed debian today recentely |
| 15:50.01 | anup | the installation process went smoothly |
| 15:50.02 | Miesco_ | How do you copy and paste in firefox and other applications? |
| 15:50.18 | anup | after restarting it is directly going into windows |
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| 15:51.06 | anup | If i want to log-in to debian I need to go to the boot-manager and from there I need to start Debian |
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| 15:52.46 | petn-randall | anup: Is secure boot disabled? Which boot manager? |
| 15:53.35 | anup | petn-randall: yes, secure boot is disabled |
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| 15:53.53 | anup | petn-randall: the BIOS MENU |
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| 15:54.47 | petn-randall | anup: Change the boot order to pick debian first. On boot it will then start grub where you can pick windows/debian to boot into. |
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| 15:55.39 | anup | petn-randall: I changed that also. even then it is the same problem |
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| 15:56.08 | sajjadg | can I find out the history of packages have been installed with last "apt-get dist-upgrade" command? |
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| 15:59.42 | petn-randall | anup: So you changed the boot order and it didn't have any effect? |
| 15:59.48 | joj | sajjadg: you can find a detailed logfile here /var/log/apt/history.log. By default, it's only accessible by root |
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| 16:02.00 | atari314 | Is it save to remove the /var/cache/debconf/template.dat-old file? |
| 16:02.12 | atari314 | *safe |
| 16:02.34 | anup | petn-randall: yes |
| 16:03.11 | Asmooh | can i forward eth0 to eth1 and keep the same ip i received from the dhcp server on eth0? |
| 16:03.15 | redcheckers | hi, i've gotten debootstrap 's install of system files completed, but need to find out how to make a kernel with efi stub and a compiled in initrd, because i need efi to boot, and have encrypted my root with cryptsetup-luks, does anyone know if there's an 'easy' way to do this? |
| 16:03.17 | joj | atari314: /var/cache is disposable, you could but it onto a tmpfs |
| 16:03.39 | atari314 | joj: oh, ok, tyvm sir :) |
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| 16:04.39 | atari314 | joj: btw, was able to manually install the locale without the locales package, tks for refs yesterday |
| 16:04.53 | joj | atari314: good to hear! |
| 16:05.00 | petn-randall | atari314: Remember to make backups ... :) |
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| 16:05.14 | sajjadg | joj: thanks a lot. God bless you :-) |
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| 16:05.40 | joj | sajjadg: you're welcome. |
| 16:05.55 | atari314 | petn-randall: it's a VM for testing purposes ^^ |
| 16:09.06 | petn-randall | atari314: snapshots then :) |
| 16:09.52 | atari314 | petn-randall: yup xD |
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| 16:10.55 | armin | hm, according to "openssl ciphers -v" my openssl supports tls 1.2 and the qualys ssllabs website tells me it is not supported at my site, though i have configured that in nginx. |
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| 16:11.33 | joltcan | armin: maybe nginx is complied with some other lib then |
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| 16:14.26 | dimitry7 | Hi Guys, is squeeze-backuports still available? |
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| 16:14.42 | armin | https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00376.html |
| 16:14.47 | armin | best.bugreport.ever. |
| 16:14.58 | dimitry7 | for debian 6... or there are only backports for stable release? (which is debian 7) |
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| 16:15.41 | abrotman | dimitry7: yes, it's there |
| 16:15.59 | abrotman | armin: Please discuss that elsewhere, thank you |
| 16:16.38 | dimitry7 | abrotman, okay |
| 16:16.39 | dimitry7 | thanks |
| 16:16.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dimitry7 about squeeze-backports |
| 16:17.55 | dimitry7 | abrotman, okay, I can't find python 2.7 |
| 16:18.07 | abrotman | it may not be in the backports .. and you wouldn't want ot change your python anhyway |
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| 16:18.33 | dimitry7 | abrotman, I need 2.7 :( |
| 16:18.37 | armin | abrotman: nothing to discuss there. |
| 16:19.03 | dimitry7 | abrotman, I think I should use wheezy. |
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| 16:20.58 | abrotman | dimitry7: That's your best bet probably |
| 16:21.06 | abrotman | armin: I don't care where, just not here |
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| 16:22.19 | armin | abrotman: well it's a debian bugreport and i fail to see why i shouldn't paste the link to it in a debian related channel. |
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| 16:23.20 | Xuisce1 | hello |
| 16:23.21 | armin | abrotman: the whole discussion about the topic ends up in communication breakdowns and insults though, so you might see this is a topic not to be put elsewhere or ignored. |
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| 16:23.31 | nkuttler | armin: go to -offtopic, this is a support channel |
| 16:23.33 | abrotman | armin: this is my last warning, please take it elsewhere |
| 16:23.47 | armin | nkuttler: thanks. |
| 16:23.59 | Xuisce1 | armin: hey |
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| 16:25.04 | dn4 | hey debian I updated the OS on a macbook pro and now the network configuration gets stuck at boot up; even on recovery mode |
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| 16:25.58 | dn4 | what is the deal with that and why would recovery even remotely begin to lock up? I thought recovery was default settings on a simple eth0 config. This should not be happening. |
| 16:26.02 | SerajewelKS | i'm having an issue with the nginx packages in wheezy-backport. after installing them and restarting nginx, i can't connect to the server on port 80. netstat shows that nginx is listening on port 80 so all i can surmise is that it is not calling accept(). |
| 16:26.12 | dimitry7 | abrotman, thanks abrotman :-) |
| 16:26.15 | SerajewelKS | downgrading back to the version in wheezy resolves the problem |
| 16:26.25 | SerajewelKS | there's nothing in the nginx error.log to indicate any kind of problem |
| 16:27.01 | SerajewelKS | (TCP connections time out, but if i stop nginx then they are refused) |
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| 16:30.15 | Dopaa | Hi, I installed Debian 7 the first time some days ago. Now there's a strange issue: After about 30 Minutes of running debian the internet connection breaks down. After a reboot it works again. I don't have this problem with windows7 on the same machine. Does someone have an idea where to look for fixing this? |
| 16:30.30 | mns | is there a channel for VNC related questions ? |
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| 16:31.55 | petn-randall | Dopaa: Have you checked yet what happens? The output of 'ifconfig' and 'route -n' before and after it happens is useful to debug the issue. |
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| 16:33.21 | loonquawl | hello, I have a problem with apt on my ubuntu |
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| 16:34.20 | sirmacik | hi \o |
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| 16:36.13 | thaicares | I'm sad to report I am on a Windows machine :/ |
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| 16:36.51 | thaicares | My Lenovo Thinkpad x201 tablet has been having major wifi issues! And they keep getting worse! (running Debian) |
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| 16:37.06 | atari314 | thaicares: which wifi card? |
| 16:37.10 | thaicares | I've tried about 3-4 different fixes and none of them have helped |
| 16:37.31 | thaicares | atari314 good question what should I type on the console to find out? |
| 16:37.41 | atari314 | thaicares: lspci |
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| 16:38.28 | thaicares | intel using iwlwifi if that is of any help! |
| 16:38.56 | atari314 | thaicares: can you be more specific? like model? |
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| 16:39.16 | thaicares | I was waiting for machine to boot! |
| 16:39.33 | thaicares | which goes slower noe than it used to! Might be an xfce issue though... |
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| 16:40.36 | atari314 | thaicares: were you yesterday asking about the kiosk mode? |
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| 16:40.55 | thaicares | atari YES that was me! |
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| 16:41.17 | atari314 | thaicares: I assume you still have that problem |
| 16:41.26 | Asmageddon | Hey there, anyone have any idea about nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver not working in Sid? |
| 16:41.30 | thaicares | I want to say it is Centrino Advanced-N 6200 = network controller |
| 16:41.43 | dn4 | why would debian F me on network configs? |
| 16:41.55 | dlnx` | why won't he? ;) |
| 16:41.59 | Asmageddon | I can install nvidia-driver just fine, but 304xx won't install due to impossible dependencies, on some version of dkms |
| 16:42.07 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell Asmageddon -about sid |
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| 16:42.23 | thaicares | (rev 35) |
| 16:42.25 | petn-randall | Asmageddon: sid is support on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:42.31 | petn-randall | *supported |
| 16:42.32 | Asmageddon | Oh, okay |
| 16:42.37 | thaicares | atari314 yes I still have that issue! |
| 16:42.38 | Asmageddon | Why not freenode? :/ |
| 16:42.55 | atari314 | thaicares: you're already using the iwlwifi, correct? |
| 16:42.55 | dn4 | is there a way to boot up in recovery with out doing network configs. because my system now hangs on configuring networks; and it never boots up into recovery so I can just delete the /etc/network/interface file |
| 16:43.05 | thaicares | atari314 YES |
| 16:43.11 | atari314 | uhn... |
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| 16:43.30 | maroloccio | brabo: thanks |
| 16:43.30 | petn-randall | Asmageddon: Because we expect people who run the tip of Debian's development branch to be able to switch IRC networks :). Count it as a Turing test. |
| 16:44.08 | thaicares | error code of importance "iwlwifi 0000.02:00.0: MAC is in deep sleep!" times infinity - in my dmesg |
| 16:44.57 | atari314 | thaicares: try this: sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off |
| 16:45.08 | thaicares | Possibly unrelated issues (my sudo has never worked and shutdown has gotten A LOT slower) |
| 16:45.32 | thaicares | I have tried that atari314 but I guess I can double check! |
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| 16:47.01 | atari314 | thaicares: you're using lightdm, right? |
| 16:47.01 | thaicares | atari314 didn't do the trick (should I restart after 'power off') I'm assuming it would undo that command on restart though... |
| 16:47.15 | thaicares | lightdm ? |
| 16:47.29 | atari314 | thaicares: which login manager? |
| 16:47.53 | thaicares | SLiM not light! |
| 16:48.07 | atari314 | thaicares: ah, forgive my memory :) |
| 16:48.14 | thaicares | but the wifi bonks out before SLiM loads OR it did the time before the last time! |
| 16:48.29 | atari314 | uhn |
| 16:48.31 | atari314 | hold on a sec |
| 16:48.43 | atari314 | try this |
| 16:48.54 | thaicares | it doesn't always or I don't always catch it on boot anyhow and it used to take a while after startup! |
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| 16:49.10 | atari314 | ip link set wlan0 up |
| 16:49.35 | thaicares | ifconfig wlan0 up DOESN'T work but I'll look at ip link |
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| 16:50.17 | atari314 | thaicares: what does sudo iwconfig return? |
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| 16:50.37 | thaicares | RTNETLINK: connection timed out on ip link VS SIOCSIFFLAGS: connection timed out on ifconfig |
| 16:51.20 | thaicares | wlan0 IEEE 802.11abgn ESSID:off/any |
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| 16:52.07 | atari314 | thaicares: and what does sudo ip link set wlan0 up returns? |
| 16:52.36 | thaicares | mode:Managed Access Point: Not-associated tx-Power=0 dBm retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Encryption key: off Power Management:offf |
| 16:53.09 | thaicares | ip link up returned 'RTNETLINK:connection timed out' |
| 16:53.16 | atari314 | uhn |
| 16:53.43 | thaicares | RTNETLINK: connection timed out on ip link VS SIOCSIFFLAGS: connection timed out on ifconfig |
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| 16:54.11 | atari314 | thaicares: weird :S |
| 16:54.31 | thaicares | Possibly unrelated issues (my sudo has never worked and shutdown has gotten A LOT slower) |
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| 16:55.16 | thaicares | sometimes shutdown has to be forced because it like freezes in the middle of the process (it is actually at the very very end) |
| 16:55.42 | Okee | Is the following from Debian Stable: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 16:55.54 | atari314 | thaicares: did this happen on a fresh install? |
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| 16:56.01 | thaicares | atari314 I thought at first it was because of overheating but after cleaning out a SMALL amount of dust and it cooling down A LOT it has only gotten worse.... |
| 16:56.16 | Okee | I thought I was just adding a source for updating a package, but now notice this is the experimental branch, and some really strange things are going on with my updates: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html |
| 16:56.26 | thaicares | atari314 well the install isn't the freshest I got the device for Christmas! |
| 16:56.50 | atari314 | thaicares: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 16:57.46 | thaicares | at the time it was the latest stable release! |
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| 16:59.26 | atari314 | thaicares: man, I really have no clue :/ |
| 16:59.49 | thaicares | Debian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy) |
| 16:59.54 | atari314 | thaicares: looks like ppl on arch are also having this issue |
| 17:00.05 | dn4 | anyone know how to boot up debian recovery with out it doing network configurations ? |
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| 17:00.34 | thaicares | atari314 maybe I will pull any files I find important off of it and do fresh install!!!! |
| 17:00.51 | atari314 | thaicares: check this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1340722 |
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| 17:01.03 | atari314 | I guess it's a very similar (if not the same) issue |
| 17:01.14 | thaicares | I more or less know my configuration SO I will probably be able to set it all back up close to how I like it and tweak it till it sticks :D |
| 17:02.04 | atari314 | dn4: have you commented #auto eth0 #iface eth0 inet dhcp on your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 17:02.42 | dn4 | atari314: to be honest in my /etc/network/interfaces that wasn't even there; which is scary |
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| 17:04.26 | Asmooh | if i after install change my drive to read only (if that works) i can take power off like 100 times without fucking up anything, right? |
| 17:04.43 | dn4 | atari314: I tried to add my own thing to the /etc/network/interfaces for the eth0 and now my computer locks up on network configuration because of it; but SO DOES MY RECOVERY MODE BOOT; which is unacceptable |
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| 17:05.54 | Garnenya | hello here! Is here someone who I can talk about debian's wiki? |
| 17:06.07 | atari314 | dn4: I guess debian is setting the dhcp during boot somewhere else :/ |
| 17:06.26 | dn4 | atari314: yeah; any idea on how that is done? |
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| 17:06.38 | atari314 | dn4: I'm trying to find out |
| 17:07.03 | dn4 | it is in the init.d some where I bet |
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| 17:09.46 | Garnenya | hello? anyone from wiki here? |
| 17:11.13 | dn4 | Network interfaces are initialized in runlevel S by the init script symlinked to "/etc/init.d/ifupdown-clean" and "/etc/init.d/ifupdown". |
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| 17:12.34 | atari314 | dn4: wild guess here, try this: edit /etc/init.d/networking change CONFIGURE_INTERFACES=yes to CONFIGURE_INTERFACES=no |
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| 17:13.13 | dn4 | alright |
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| 17:19.01 | lwizardl | hello |
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| 17:19.12 | atari314 | thaicares: I've been looking your wifi card and it looks like it has some problems atm (mostly due to be so new), maybe you could try some older firmware (since the updated was are buggy): http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi |
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| 17:20.35 | lwizardl | if I want to install the official builds from mozilla of firefox and thunderbird. where do i go to read how to do it |
| 17:20.37 | thaicares | atari314 what one do you suggest? being most stable? |
| 17:21.02 | atari314 | thaicares: by what I'm finding around, the older the better, atm at least, till they fix it |
| 17:21.02 | jordanm | lwizardl: mozilla's site |
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| 17:22.43 | Okee | Would someone have a suggestion on how to fix the errors for backuppc, and clamav-milter? http://paste.debian.net/81401/ |
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| 17:23.28 | ssm2017 | helllo |
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| 17:23.50 | ssm2017 | is there someone that can help me with a wheezey 32 bits installation on an imac alu ? |
| 17:24.08 | ssm2017 | i can install it but when rebooting it is telling me : "no bootable device found" |
| 17:24.26 | thaicares | well atari314 THANKS hopefully I can get that figured out! Got to go right now though... |
| 17:24.32 | atari314 | thaicares: try this one: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=iwlwifi-6000-ucode-9.176.4.1.tgz (looks like the oldest of the 3 available) |
| 17:24.39 | atari314 | thaicares: np, good luck :) |
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| 17:26.01 | roe_ | what can I grep for in syslog that will show me logrotate errors |
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| 17:26.46 | dn4 | well I figured it out; some update destroyed my /etc/network/interface |
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| 17:27.03 | dn4 | and the original recovery mode depends upon that interface which isn't smart |
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| 17:27.23 | atari314 | dn4: did it work? |
| 17:27.29 | atari314 | dn4: what did you do? |
| 17:27.42 | Imbue | does anyone know where I can find the debian-live public key? |
| 17:28.35 | dn4 | atari314, I booted up into a live USB; got root access and re-wrote the interface file to include eth0 inet dhcp; not inet6 |
| 17:28.49 | dn4 | booted back up into the OS and it grabs the IP just fine now |
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| 17:28.53 | Imbue | RSA key ID A9B26DF5 ; gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 17:28.59 | atari314 | dn4: :S |
| 17:29.03 | Imbue | I can find the keys for the non-live images on keychain.debian.org |
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| 17:29.09 | BrixSat | Hello |
| 17:29.13 | BrixSat | im making a ssh server1 "tail -f /var/log/apache/error.log" >> /tmp/error.log |
| 17:29.13 | BrixSat | but this keeps hanging when network flaps, is there a way to make it die when network flaps, so i can make a watchdog in cron |
| 17:29.27 | Asmooh | hmmm.. how can i pptp to a random hostname? example i have a file lets call it dialhost.cfg with a complete list of hostnames, how can i do that my pptp caller is choosing a random one everytime it calls |
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| 17:29.46 | dn4 | still Debian should not have a recovery mode that uses the same interface file as the normal OS; it prohibits recovery due to some network configuration that is in the S run level during init boot up |
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| 17:29.51 | acu2 | hey guys is anyone using wheezy backports kernel in production ? - I wonder if it isOK to do that, I want to use btrfs and it needs a newer kernel (backports for wheezy has a 3.12) |
| 17:30.14 | Imbue | otherwise, if someone has it, could they check for me please? |
| 17:30.15 | dn4 | just want to point that out |
| 17:30.20 | atari314 | dn4: indeed |
| 17:30.22 | Imbue | sha512sum debian-live-7.4-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
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| 17:30.57 | Quantum` | It appears that none of my systemd services are running. |
| 17:31.16 | Quantum` | It claims it's starting journald, but the red line goes all the way across and there's no log. |
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| 17:31.27 | Quantum` | ... and restart doesn't start it. |
| 17:31.50 | Quantum` | Process: 20955 ExecStart=/lib/systemd/systemd-journald (code=killed, signal=USR1) |
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| 17:37.24 | ssm2017 | lmbyou can find checksum files in the debian ftp foldeers like : http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 17:37.33 | ssm2017 | lmbue sorry |
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| 17:38.55 | Jobbe | Hi |
| 17:39.17 | Jobbe | So, installing debian 7.4 on a medio 2009 macbook pro 13" - anyone had the luch ? |
| 17:39.20 | Jobbe | luck* |
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| 17:40.16 | Natio | How do i "echo" several lines of text and characters to the terminal, for the user to read? Echo is not working for me, as i try to output special characters |
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| 17:40.30 | Asmooh | im trying to install debian on my usb stick, but it didnt boot.. i chose the bootloader on the stick not on the hdd |
| 17:40.46 | jordanm | Natio: use a here doc |
| 17:40.55 | jordanm | Natio: cat <<EOF ... |
| 17:41.43 | Kitt3n | Asmooh, it OBVIOUSLY won't boot then, you need to install the bootloader to your primary hard drive |
| 17:41.50 | Asmooh | :/ |
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| 17:42.04 | Asmooh | srsly? what if i want to take the stick and put it in a other computer |
| 17:42.06 | ssm2017 | Jobbe: what is your issue with your installation ? |
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| 17:42.09 | ocx | hello i have a major problem with my usb sticks, anyone can bring his stick and plug it into my pc, i would like to map the partitions on each usb the same everytime the stick is re-inserted, what is happening now is that sometimes fpartition1 goes into usb1 mountpoint and sometimes into usb2 mountpoint |
| 17:42.23 | rgr | of course you can boot from the stick. |
| 17:42.30 | Jobbe | ssm2017: right now i cannot get the kernel installed |
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| 17:43.01 | Kitt3n | Asmooh, if you have a Debian liveCD, you can boot a computer from the USB stick. |
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| 17:43.26 | Asmooh | hm yeh useful then i need to put 2 usb sticks just to boot one stick |
| 17:43.37 | ssm2017 | Jobbe: on my side im trying to installa 7.4 on an imac alu and installation is fine but reboot is tlling me "no bootable drive found" |
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| 17:44.06 | ssm2017 | Jobbe: if you are using the cdrom, try to eject it and try again because cdroms on apple machines are crap |
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| 17:44.15 | Jobbe | ssm2017: did you do the rEFIt part ? |
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| 17:44.33 | Kitt3n | Asmooh, No. When you plug in the Debian USB, you can go to the BIOS and select "boot from USB" then it will boot the liveCD from the USB instead of booting from the hard drive. |
| 17:44.47 | ssm2017 | on tody hen installing 14 times debian to try to ake it work i hadseveral times that the kernel could not been installed but when ejecting and trying again it passed |
| 17:44.51 | Jobbe | ssm2017: i'm in the tty4 "failed to fetch cdrom://.... hash sum mismatch" |
| 17:45.08 | lwizardl | okay the software sources is refusing to let me remove the cdrom option for the sources |
| 17:45.08 | Jobbe | something about an I/O error |
| 17:45.11 | Asmooh | Kitt3n, i get that but i installed a clean debian on a other stick |
| 17:45.18 | ssm2017 | im using refind (fork of refit) ant it sees the linux disk but when selecting it "no bootable device found" |
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| 17:45.51 | Jobbe | ah ok |
| 17:46.02 | Jobbe | I'm gonna try fiddle a bit with this |
| 17:46.19 | awwyissssss | Make sure the stick is marked 'boot' while looking at in gparted on some other live media |
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| 17:46.26 | Jobbe | If i can get it working, i will spend the 175$ and replace the screen :) |
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| 17:47.05 | Kitt3n | Asmooh, I've never tried that before. |
| 17:47.13 | ssm2017 | maybe you can buy some cheaper screens on alistore (i have bought one for 30 dollars) |
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| 17:47.46 | Cylta | Hi. when oppening "folder contain file" in mozilla firefox, it opens that folder in some audio program instead of file manager. gnome-control-center has some "default applications", but nothing about folders. Mozilla has "application" in "preferences" |
| 17:47.47 | Asmooh | Kitt3n, yeah im reinstalling now, the installer sees my stick as sba1 i think |
| 17:47.55 | Cylta | but nothing about folders too |
| 17:47.55 | Asmooh | it was sbc1 before :) |
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| 17:48.20 | ssm2017 | whe i had a checksum error when installing the kernel, i was saying no and then get back to the install menu and then eject cd and the put the cd back and the redetecd cd and then reinstall |
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| 17:50.07 | acu2 | I wonder if it is OK to have kernel from backports runing production servers (with wheezy) ? |
| 17:50.17 | Jobbe | ssm2017: yeah i did that now, lets see what happens |
| 17:50.23 | Kitt3n | acu2, why would you want to do that? |
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| 17:50.43 | acu2 | Kitt3n, I need btrfs |
| 17:50.52 | acu2 | and older kernel are not good |
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| 17:52.44 | Kitt3n | acu2, I think I saw something about installing newer kernels on the Debian wiki' |
| 17:53.34 | Jobbe | ssm2017: still got problems |
| 17:53.35 | acu2 | it is already in backports - the only question if it is OK for production servers, I usually keep the original kernel and debian is rock solid |
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| 17:54.36 | Kitt3n | acu2, well, if there's no problems with the newer kernel in the backports, then it should be okay, just keep the old kernel around if something should go wrong. |
| 17:54.56 | eblip | what is that ccommand to clear screen in gnome terminal ctrl shift shomething |
| 17:54.59 | Jobbe | ssm2017: http://i.imgur.com/Yuuufd8.jpg |
| 17:55.51 | Imbue | is it possible to use .iso files as sources for apt without mounting them? or is there some sort of auto-mount possible? |
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| 17:56.14 | eblip | ctrl shift l ..............................got it |
| 17:56.20 | centrx | Imbue, You could use loopback, but probably easier to just set up the network sources now |
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| 17:57.05 | ssm2017 | Jobbe: im sorry but except telling you to eject and then retry, im not able to give you a better advice (im also in a trouble installing my own imac) |
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| 17:57.18 | Jobbe | ahh ok |
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| 17:57.51 | Imbue | centrx: I would like to cut down on bandwidth usage; i could install packages when I have a good connection, but this is not always possible |
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| 17:58.09 | hans_henrik | >apt-get remove php* the following packages will be REMOVED: libreoffice-base libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-calc libreoffice-common ~~ |
| 17:58.14 | hans_henrik | what the f, debian? |
| 17:58.22 | Kitt3n | Jobbe, you could also just remove the cdrom thing from your apt sources list. |
| 17:58.28 | centrx | hans_henrik, You probably already selected them for removal |
| 17:58.30 | hans_henrik | what the heck does libre-anything have to do with php? |
| 17:58.34 | hans_henrik | ohkay |
| 17:58.44 | Jobbe | do we know if network works ? - could install from network |
| 17:58.46 | hans_henrik | centrx, no i did not, this is a completely clean box i set up like 5 minutes gao |
| 17:58.46 | hans_henrik | ago |
| 17:58.49 | hans_henrik | well |
| 17:58.52 | atari314 | guys, is it possible to fully disable all logs on debian? |
| 17:58.58 | hans_henrik | debian7-cd-xkcd |
| 17:59.08 | hans_henrik | umm, lxde*** |
| 17:59.23 | Kitt3n | hans_henrik, just remove the PHP package and it's dependencies that aren't in use anymore can be removed with autoremove :p |
| 17:59.26 | Jobbe | Kitt3n: that is also a solution, but how would i do that ? |
| 17:59.47 | centrx | atari314, You could disable/uninstall syslog. That may or may not cover _all_ logs |
| 17:59.49 | Kitt3n | hans_henrik, I had the same bug too once, not sure what caused it to happen though. |
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| 18:00.04 | hans_henrik | (the only thing ive done, is to install php and htop. then i noticed "php" included apache, which i didn't want. ) |
| 18:00.15 | Kitt3n | Jobbe, let's see.. sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list if I am correct. |
| 18:00.17 | hans_henrik | (like literally, logged in, and ran apt-get install php5 htop ; ) |
| 18:00.27 | hans_henrik | (i think thats all ive done, since setting up, like 5 min ago) |
| 18:00.34 | Jobbe | there is not apt folder in /etc |
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| 18:00.46 | Kitt3n | 1 second. |
| 18:01.04 | atari314 | centrx: removed rsyslog, but, indeed, there are some log being created, mostly dmsg, dpkg and apt |
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| 18:01.14 | Kitt3n | Jobbe, yes. "/etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 18:01.28 | xomrk | hi, it is possible to move all trafic from wlan0 copy to virutal machine on kvm? ( aquemu ) ? |
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| 18:01.40 | atari314 | centrx: would be a terrible idea to su -c 'chmod 000 /var/log' ? |
| 18:01.54 | Kitt3n | Jobbe, edit that with nano or your favorite text editor, then just remove the cdrom:// line. |
| 18:02.00 | centrx | atari314, The programs that use it would most likely fail with errors |
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| 18:02.32 | Jobbe | there is no such file Kitt3n |
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| 18:03.01 | atari314 | centrx: I'll try check the dmesg/apt/dpkg doc to see if I can disable the logging individually then, tks :) |
| 18:03.01 | Jobbe | Unless i'm doing it from a wrong shell |
| 18:03.12 | Kitt3n | Jobbe, what shell are you using? |
| 18:03.21 | kruzin | I'm getting this, how do I fix this? |
| 18:03.23 | kruzin | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 18:03.26 | michael__345345 | hello, I'm seeing a hung black screen when I try to boot debian 7.2 livecd -gnome I'm getting a frozen black screen (well the mouse is visible and moving but nothing else responds inc. [alt]+[ctrl]+F1). Iwas wondering if anyone could come up with a strategy to get it to install? |
| 18:03.29 | Kitt3n | Jobbe, are you in a live environment? |
| 18:03.37 | Jobbe | Kitt3n: using the debian install cd |
| 18:03.46 | Jobbe | in GUI install env |
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| 18:03.59 | Kitt3n | Jobbe, uhhhhhhh. THAT is odd. |
| 18:04.40 | Kitt3n | I thought you had Debian installed and had problems with apt looking for the installation media instead of using the normal apt sources, sorry. |
| 18:04.45 | Jobbe | HAHA! Just worked! .. 3 times a charm.. aparently.. |
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| 18:04.53 | Jobbe | so got past "install base system" part |
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| 18:06.24 | Kitt3n | michael__345345, new computer with UEFI bios? |
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| 18:08.36 | ssm2017 | Jobbe: :) |
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| 18:08.59 | Jobbe | installing software now :P |
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| 18:09.29 | atari314 | centrx: would be an alternative to symlink /var/log to /deb/null ? |
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| 18:09.46 | av0idz | is it a good idea to disable ipv6 if its present |
| 18:09.46 | Zooru | Suuuuuuuup guys! Where can I look if the ownCloud package for debian is at the last version? http://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=isv:ownCloud:community&package=owncloud |
| 18:09.52 | ssm2017 | Jobbe: how many efi partitons do you have set ? |
| 18:09.55 | Zooru | I use ownCloud in a Debian box and I would like to upgrade it |
| 18:10.00 | av0idz | just got a new machine and it likes to talk to ipv6 adresses |
| 18:10.03 | Zooru | The problem is that I installed it with the package |
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| 18:10.49 | ssm2017 | Zooru: do they provide an apt uri ? |
| 18:10.50 | centrx | atari314, Something like that. Linking /var/log would result in errors, because /dev/null is not a directory. |
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| 18:11.32 | michael__345345 | Kitt3n, no. I'd say it's 90% likely to be my tetchy NVidia Quadro card which doesn't work with the nouveau drivers. Is there a way to bypass them and install up to the point I can install the proprietory drivers? |
| 18:11.55 | Dagger | av0idz: don't disable it. using v6 is the ideal scenario, after all... |
| 18:11.58 | Zooru | ssm2017: Hello, I don't know what is an apt uri xD |
| 18:12.06 | Dagger | av0idz: but Debian should only attempt v6 if you have a v6 internet connection, or if all the v4 connection attempts already failed |
| 18:12.15 | Zooru | ssm2017: is there a way to contact with the mantainer? |
| 18:12.30 | atari314 | centrx: that's true :( tks :) |
| 18:12.34 | Jobbe | ssm2017: i have one for OS X, one for OS X recovery and one for debian |
| 18:12.53 | av0idz | well ipv4 works fine, though i got an ipv6 adress so debian 7 tries the v6 version first i think |
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| 18:13.05 | ssm2017 | Zooru: maybe you can check on their website if they have an irc channel or an apt repository to add to your sources.list |
| 18:13.12 | av0idz | so i should use v6, Dagger |
| 18:13.15 | Natio | How do i add some ascii art for the user to see in my terminal?? normal echo is giving me a hard time |
| 18:13.25 | av0idz | what about iptables anything special i have to look for when using v6 ? |
| 18:13.29 | Zooru | ssm2017: they redirected me here... :/ |
| 18:13.32 | Natio | Im doing it in a bash script |
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| 18:13.39 | Dagger | av0idz: if you have no v6 and you're seeing failed connection attempts to v6 addresses in *apt-get*, that's because apt-get is silly and only reports the last connection failure (i.e. your v4 is broken, it tries v4 first and v6 last and then only reports the last failure) |
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| 18:13.52 | Dagger | av0idz: do you have any non-fe80:: addresses though? those essentially don't count |
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| 18:14.43 | Kitt3n | michael__345345, is it a desktop? If so, you could try take out the graphics card and just use the integrated gpu to install Debian, install the driver you need then put it back in. |
| 18:15.20 | michael__345345 | Is there no NCuses installer or something that's a tad less drastic? |
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| 18:16.30 | av0idz | well they start with 2a03:f80 dagger |
| 18:16.40 | xomrk | it is possible to aquemu have access to wlan0 mother card? |
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| 18:18.52 | Kitt3n | michael__345345, well, if the cable to your monitor goes through the graphics card, no, not as I know. |
| 18:19.24 | Dagger | av0idz: that should work then, and it's expected that Debian will try to use v6 if the remote side has it too |
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| 18:20.06 | av0idz | thanks dagger and yes it does like so, but it fails i think i need to add some iptables rules vor v6 |
| 18:20.24 | av0idz | i right now fail on that it seems iptables wont accept -m option |
| 18:20.35 | av0idz | but im onto google researching this |
| 18:20.39 | av0idz | thanks so far :) |
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| 18:21.01 | Dagger | av0idz: v6 traffic goes through a separate firewall, which you configure with `ip6tables` rather than `iptables` |
| 18:21.38 | av0idz | ah well thats it |
| 18:21.41 | av0idz | thanks dagger |
| 18:22.12 | Azrael_- | what language would you suggest for linux scripting and database-access (mysql)? currently i thinking about ruby or python |
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| 18:22.56 | mns | Azrael_-: depends on your needs. |
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| 18:23.13 | lotherk | Azrael_-: or just .sh using the mysql command. ;-) |
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| 18:23.41 | mns | lotherk: or .sh with sqlite3 :) |
| 18:23.46 | Azrael_- | lotherk: i know but i want a better mysql-interface and thus i prefer another language |
| 18:23.54 | lotherk | mns: of course. :) |
| 18:23.57 | Kitt3n | Azrael_-, java? :D |
| 18:24.05 | lotherk | Azrael_-: do you know ruby/python? |
| 18:24.16 | Azrael_- | Kitt3n: too much version/path-problems |
| 18:24.24 | Kitt3n | Azrael_-, not really |
| 18:24.34 | kruzin | Umm, can someone help me fix this please? :) |
| 18:24.36 | kruzin | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 18:24.37 | Azrael_- | lotherk: currently i know c#+python and did some things in others |
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| 18:24.48 | lotherk | Azrael_-: then take python if you're familiar with it |
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| 18:25.00 | centrx | Azrael_-, Or learn Ruby because you are not familiar with it! |
| 18:25.03 | Azrael_- | oh, sorry, i meant not python, but php |
| 18:25.04 | mns | Azrael_-: I would go with either of Perl, Python, or Ruby. and for DB access I would use sqlite3, since you wont have headaches about doing db admin type work. |
| 18:25.13 | centrx | PHP is an abomination and a scourge on the face of the earth. |
| 18:25.21 | lotherk | Azrael_-: you can also use php on the shell but… |
| 18:25.32 | lotherk | it's php.. ;) |
| 18:25.42 | Azrael_- | lotherk: that's my problem :) |
| 18:25.44 | lotherk | I'd suggest ruby |
| 18:26.00 | Kitt3n | Azrael_-, Mono + C#? :) |
| 18:26.03 | lotherk | but the plus for python is that it's already installed on most distris |
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| 18:26.46 | lotherk | perl can do the job too. |
| 18:27.00 | Azrael_- | Kitt3n: i don't like the compilation and deploying a non-scripting language to linux. i'm everywhere just remote on a console |
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| 18:27.25 | Aerosonic | Hi! |
| 18:27.26 | Azrael_- | Kitt3n: and i want another more "generic" approach. mono is quite rare |
| 18:27.27 | lotherk | Azrael_-: seriously, take a look at ruby + sequel or python + iforgotthename |
| 18:27.37 | michael__345345 | Kitt3n, I think the answer to my problem is to append "nouveau.modeset=0" to my kernel command line in grub 2. That has me booking into the live USB anyway |
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| 18:27.56 | Kitt3n | Azrael_-, I am sure you can execute C# as a scripting language, well, depends on what you define as one. |
| 18:27.57 | Aerosonic | So... What happened to the whole "I can install debian with only one disc?" |
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| 18:28.13 | Kitt3n | michael__345345, yay! :) Well, the graphics card solution will -always- work :p |
| 18:28.21 | Aerosonic | Why are there 8 CDs in here? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 18:28.29 | Kitt3n | michael__345345, it's nice to have as a "backup" plan. |
| 18:28.30 | Aerosonic | Or are they just mirrors of each other? |
| 18:28.30 | lotherk | extra software etc? |
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| 18:28.42 | lotherk | like gnome and stuff? |
| 18:28.45 | Azrael_- | ok, will probably try python again |
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| 18:28.52 | Aerosonic | Can I just get... Plain debian that wouldn't take up 20 gigs? |
| 18:28.53 | lwizardl | hello |
| 18:28.59 | atari314 | centrx: I believe I found a way... added a tmpfs on fstab with size=4k so far nothing exploded xD |
| 18:29.00 | Azrael_- | thanks for the hints |
| 18:29.05 | Kitt3n | Aerosonic, then you want the netinst image |
| 18:29.10 | mns | Aerosonic: whats "plain debian" ? |
| 18:29.14 | Aerosonic | But I have a shit network connection. |
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| 18:29.17 | Aerosonic | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 18:29.28 | Aerosonic | 3 full-size dvds. wtf. |
| 18:29.38 | Kitt3n | Aerosonic, then I would go for one of the images with a desktop environment you want |
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| 18:29.54 | Kitt3n | Install and use pretty much. |
| 18:29.55 | lotherk | Aerosonic: take the netinst iso and just install what you want |
| 18:30.06 | Aerosonic | I don't *want* a desktop environment. I want fluxbox. |
| 18:30.20 | Kitt3n | Aerosonic, netinst image then. |
| 18:30.22 | Aerosonic | Eh, fair enough. |
| 18:30.22 | lotherk | Aerosonic: use the netinst |
| 18:30.24 | Aerosonic | Thanks. |
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| 18:31.09 | lwizardl | okay in your "software center" application I can not find filezilla (the ftp client I prefer), or get it to actually show anything I search for. |
| 18:31.39 | centrx | What is "software center"? |
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| 18:31.54 | Arrowmaster | i think its the package manager ubuntu made |
| 18:32.02 | Arrowmaster | but it made its way into debian |
| 18:32.15 | Kitt3n | wat. |
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| 18:32.30 | Kitt3n | lwizardl, a simple startpage search brought this http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=filezilla |
| 18:32.32 | centrx | Danged Ubuntu |
| 18:32.34 | lwizardl | centrx, sorry add/remove software and synaptic package manager |
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| 18:32.54 | petn-randall | lwizardl: Are you sure you're using Debian? Because it's packaged in Debian. |
| 18:33.16 | xomrk | can i copy all network traffic on my mother system to guest with aquemu? |
| 18:33.19 | lwizardl | petn-randall, yes Debian 7.4.0 amd64 dvd1 |
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| 18:33.26 | Kitt3n | lwizardl, "apt-get install filezilla" in a terminal |
| 18:33.33 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 18:33.33 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 18:33.43 | petn-randall | ^^^^^^ can you provide this? |
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| 18:34.08 | Jobbe | I'm exited to see if this macbook will boot |
| 18:34.15 | atari314 | Hey thoonai, I believe I've finished the absolute-minimal-debian experiment, was able to squish debian till 200mb (204k actually), going to make a post on the forum about it and ask if ppl know how to trim it even more :D |
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| 18:34.54 | Kitt3n | atari314, 204 KB? or MB? |
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| 18:35.23 | lwizardl | Kitt3n, not found, finds filezilla-common. but when i install that it doesn't get added to the panel menus |
| 18:35.29 | jmd | I have added a new boot script to /etc/rcS.d |
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| 18:35.49 | Kitt3n | lwizardl, and if you type filezilla in the terminal? |
| 18:35.53 | jmd | but the system ignores it. Do I need to enable it somehow? |
| 18:35.53 | atari314 | Kitt3n: 200mb (204040 xD) |
| 18:36.05 | centrx | lwizardl, You may want to add network sources to apt. It sounds like you may only be installing from that one DVD |
| 18:36.05 | lwizardl | bash: filezilla: command not found |
| 18:36.11 | koell | Do u know other firefox forks than iceweasel? |
| 18:36.34 | lwizardl | starting to think I should just wipe debian and go back to mint |
| 18:36.55 | Kitt3n | lwizardl, heh, that's a lame attitude. |
| 18:36.56 | lwizardl | centrx, nope I used nano to remove that cdrom option |
| 18:37.01 | jmd | lwizardl: yes. Do that. |
| 18:37.25 | Kitt3n | lwizardl, check the sources list file, is there any lines there at all? |
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| 18:37.57 | Zambezi | Kind of trouble now. Load peeking since I got read error on a hard drive and can't umount it cause a closed window was extracting to the path. How can I stop the process locking the umount? |
| 18:38.00 | Jobbe | nice atari314 |
| 18:38.09 | atari314 | Jobbe: tks xD |
| 18:38.36 | Jobbe | atari314: i would be interested, as i got a 256 mb usb flash stick i want to use for something, all i need is a box with i3 and ssh |
| 18:38.38 | Kitt3n | atari314, soooo you have the base system only? |
| 18:38.44 | LordDeath | I have currently zarafa + mysql + postfix on wheezy for my mail server. when I switch over to dovecot can I won't need mysql anymore, right? |
| 18:38.50 | lwizardl | Kitt3n, yes 2 cdrom links I commented out, and 3 other source sets |
| 18:39.06 | Kitt3n | lwizardl, pastebin the whole file? |
| 18:39.23 | atari314 | Jobbe: I'm writing the post with all the steps, I'll link it to you as soon it's ready ^^ |
| 18:39.24 | lwizardl | http://pastebin.com/6r1Cr96u |
| 18:39.24 | LordDeath | -can |
| 18:39.36 | Jobbe | Cool atari314 :) |
| 18:39.41 | centrx | lwizardl, Run apt-get update |
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| 18:39.53 | v6sa | Hi guys, could anyone ellaborate what is the best way to install updated Intel video card drivers in Wheezy? There are packages in testing and experimental but until now I haven't figured out a way to properly pin packages. Installing xserver-xorg-video-intel from testing causes libc6 upgrade which kindof blows up the whole package management. |
| 18:39.54 | centrx | lwizardl, I am sure you can do all these things through the graphical interface, but I don't use the graphical interface |
| 18:39.57 | atari314 | Kitt3n: yup, base system only, the next quest is addon X11 + some trimmed apps (gtk, gimp, inkscape, mplayer, etc) |
| 18:39.58 | lwizardl | centrx, did that, and also update just to double check |
| 18:40.15 | lwizardl | centrx, I prefer terminal also |
| 18:40.22 | Jobbe | atari314: drop it in a PM, as i will probably be away a little later thx |
| 18:40.31 | atari314 | Jobbe: ok :) |
| 18:40.54 | Kitt3n | lwizardl, you might just wanna go to http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/filezilla and grab the deb file for Filezilla there. |
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| 18:41.00 | mns | lwizardl: you need to install filezilla not filezilla-common. |
| 18:41.12 | lwizardl | Kitt3n, tried that also, used the package installer and then it was not in menu still |
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| 18:41.25 | centrx | apt-get update && apt-get install filezilla |
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| 18:41.43 | mns | lwizardl: whats the output of dpkg-query -l | grep filezilla ? |
| 18:41.56 | mns | lwizardl: or do what centrx just said |
| 18:42.35 | lwizardl | got it this time. I just grabbed the deb file from a ubuntu site |
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| 18:42.57 | centrx | ... |
| 18:43.02 | centrx | This is not going to end well |
| 18:43.16 | Arrowmaster | yup |
| 18:43.23 | mns | lwizardl: dont do it |
| 18:43.34 | lwizardl | I have the application installed and seems working now. only issue will be later if needed updated |
| 18:44.03 | atari314 | btw, does anyone know a quick and dirty way to remove the unused modules @ /lib/modules/kernel-version/kernel/ ? |
| 18:44.14 | atari314 | it's like 80mb of wasted footprint |
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| 18:44.42 | BadCodSmell | How can I set the timeout for a socket that is established but has received no data? |
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| 18:45.46 | mns | atari314: build your own debian-kernel. there is a how to somewhere about it. better to keep the 80mb. |
| 18:46.30 | atari314 | mns: I did. But was just wondering if it was possible on the stock kernel |
| 18:46.34 | Kitt3n | Is there any Debian patches for the Linux kernel? |
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| 18:48.33 | centrx | Kitt3n, A few, they are in the repository with the rest of the source |
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| 18:49.13 | lancelot_of | hi there, hibernation (pm-hibernate) has stopped working, while pm-suspend and pm-suspend-hybrid still work fine, what's going on my wheezy system?any suggestion? |
| 18:49.24 | Kitt3n | centrx, ah, cool. |
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| 18:50.57 | petn-randall | And thus lzwizard1's support right ends here. Why the heck did he install the Ubuntu package now? |
| 18:51.13 | centrx | He couldn't figure out how to work apt-get install I guess |
| 18:51.24 | petn-randall | lancelot_of: What doesn't work? Please explain. |
| 18:51.46 | Kitt3n | centrx, petn-randall, more like it wasn't showing up for him at all. |
| 18:51.54 | centrx | I don't believe it |
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| 18:52.29 | koell | can i install firefox again on a separate location so i've installed it twice? |
| 18:52.52 | lancelot_of | petn-randall, pm-hibernate command, so suspension to disk |
| 18:53.22 | lancelot_of | the command does nothing instead of hibernating the system |
| 18:53.25 | petn-randall | Whatever happened, installing the Ubuntu package which was built against a different set of libraries isn't a solution. |
| 18:54.00 | petn-randall | lancelot_of: Do you get any error message? Are there any messages in /var/log/kern.log regarding this? |
| 18:54.03 | Kitt3n | Installing a package FROM ubuntu isn't a solution rather |
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| 18:54.35 | petn-randall | Kitt3n: Yes, that's what I said ... :) |
| 18:54.58 | Kitt3n | petn-randall, you said 'built with a set of different libraries' :P |
| 18:55.05 | lancelot_of | petn-randall, none |
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| 18:56.06 | petn-randall | lancelot_of: What does 'pm-hibernate && echo $?' give you? |
| 18:56.54 | petn-randall | lancelot_of: echo $? prints the error value of the last command. |
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| 18:59.16 | guanche | I think I spot a bug in motif, can somebody check with me by compiling a program of a few lines? |
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| 19:00.14 | lancelot_of | petn-randall, that command returns nothing |
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| 19:00.50 | yac | hey, pkg-shadow.alioth.debian.org doesn't work |
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| 19:01.44 | lancelot_of | i remember that it's not the first time it happens and when it did i workarounded some way as modprobe or similar, i don't remember correctly.... |
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| 19:02.07 | aemquo | any reason that iceweasel is being kept back from upgrade? |
| 19:02.14 | petn-randall | lancelot_of: Check if you typed it correct, it must return something. |
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| 19:02.52 | Kitt3n | aemquo, Wheezy 7.4 has Iceweasel 24? |
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| 19:03.02 | Xuisce1 | hi all |
| 19:03.05 | aemquo | How do I force the upgrade? |
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| 19:03.51 | centrx | aemquo, Visit http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 19:04.09 | Kitt3n | aemquo, check if you have the wheezy updates sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list file then just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 19:04.11 | stppnwlf | hi, all ! Quick question : do I need open-vm-tools to be started, if I have no intention to use virtualization ? |
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| 19:04.43 | centrx | stppnwlf, No? Why do you ask? |
| 19:04.44 | lancelot_of | petn-randall, i made cut&paste of what you wrote without ' ' |
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| 19:05.20 | stppnwlf | centrx: I've just installed debian, and it comes with open-vm-tools in rc*.d |
| 19:05.25 | petn-randall | lancelot_of: Oh wait, of course. Just do 'pm-hibernate' followed by 'echo $?'. |
| 19:05.33 | stppnwlf | I was wondering if it had a hidden utility |
| 19:05.40 | aemquo | Kitt3n, http://pastebin.com/UtKFuw7W that is my sources.list |
| 19:06.03 | centrx | stppnwlf, It must have been part of one of the package groups you selected. You can uninstall it with dpkg --purge open-vm-tools |
| 19:06.04 | aemquo | apt-get upgrade shows |
| 19:06.06 | petn-randall | lancelot_of: Gotta go, but that number you can look up in 'man pm-hibernate' to get a direction where to look for. |
| 19:06.06 | aemquo | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 19:06.07 | aemquo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.22 | petn-randall | aemquo: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:06.46 | aemquo | Ok, thanks |
| 19:07.08 | stppnwlf | centrx: won't it mess up everything in apt-get ? (I'm not very aware of the scope of dpkg vs. apt-get) |
| 19:07.24 | centrx | stppnwlf, No it's fine |
| 19:07.32 | centrx | stppnwlf, You can use apt-get remove --purge if you want |
| 19:08.08 | stppnwlf | all right ! thanks :) |
| 19:08.40 | Some_Person | Backports are supposed to be disabled by default, right? |
| 19:08.45 | Jobbe | ssm2017: it works here now, just booted debian |
| 19:09.02 | centrx | Some_Person, The source for backports is not available by default.. |
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| 19:09.13 | centrx | s/available/present |
| 19:09.23 | Some_Person | No, what I mean is, apt-get shouldn't try to upgrade to a backports version, right? |
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| 19:10.41 | petn-randall | centrx, stppnwlf, no, you shouldn't use 'dpkg --purge', as this doesn't check for broken dependencies. Use 'apt-get remove/purge' for that. |
| 19:11.03 | centrx | petn-randall, What do you mean by "check for broken dependencies" ? |
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| 19:11.49 | petn-randall | Some_Person: That's right. If you have a certain backports package installed, it will continue to track backports, though. |
| 19:12.02 | ssm2017 | Jobbe: u lucky :) on my side im installing it for the 17 time |
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| 19:12.15 | lancelot_of | petn-randall, echo$? returns 1 |
| 19:12.17 | petn-randall | centrx: It won't check if there are packages installed that depend on that package. |
| 19:12.20 | aemquo | Why does 7.4 upgrade to iceweasel 24? |
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| 19:12.26 | ssm2017 | im on it since 10am and it is 7 pm |
| 19:12.27 | Some_Person | petn-randall: But then why am I getting this: http://paste.debian.net/81416/ |
| 19:12.29 | aemquo | I thought new packages don't come until the freeze |
| 19:12.31 | Jobbe | ssm2017: well now i can't boot to OS X |
| 19:12.34 | Some_Person | petn-randall: The newer florence is in backports |
| 19:12.38 | jhutchins | ssm2017: Did you read the install guide? |
| 19:12.46 | centrx | petn-randall, Yes it does |
| 19:12.49 | babilen | aemquo: Almost certainly security related reasons |
| 19:12.52 | Kitt3n | Jobbe, /off-topic. Isn't that a GOOD thing? XD |
| 19:12.53 | lancelot_of | but from man pm-hibernate i get only the information that it failed before putting the system in the requested powersave mode |
| 19:13.07 | RoyK | ssm2017: what TZ is that? |
| 19:13.11 | babilen | aemquo: The same reason which caused 17 to be available before |
| 19:13.16 | centrx | petn-randall, You are thinking of dpkg --force |
| 19:13.16 | Jobbe | Kitt3n: no, not in this case - i got an iOS app .. |
| 19:13.20 | ssm2017 | RoyK: fr |
| 19:13.36 | ssm2017 | no it is 8 now :) |
| 19:13.39 | Jobbe | Kitt3n: but it works out of box pretty well. however i need to fix wifi |
| 19:13.43 | RoyK | ssm2017: hehe |
| 19:13.44 | Jobbe | Kitt3n: bluetooth works though |
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| 19:14.10 | ssm2017 | and jholdeni have read all google but i dont understand what is written |
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| 19:15.02 | jhutchins | !ig |
| 19:15.05 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
| 19:15.16 | Some_Person | petn-randall: The version I have installed is from a deb package I made on another computer, but I do *not* want to upgrade to the backports version |
| 19:15.19 | Some_Person | What should I do? |
| 19:15.19 | petn-randall | centrx: Agreed, but it will fail instead of removing the packages depended on. |
| 19:15.28 | jhutchins | ssm2017: I believe there are translations. |
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| 19:15.41 | centrx | petn-randall, That sounds like better behavior to me :) |
| 19:15.42 | petn-randall | Some_Person: 'man apt_preferences' ... you want to pin that package. |
| 19:15.51 | petn-randall | head off somewhere. |
| 19:15.55 | petn-randall | Good luck everyone! |
| 19:15.58 | centrx | Good to know that apt-get remove will remove the reverse dependencies |
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| 19:16.22 | ssm2017 | jhutchins: yes it is in french too, but im not an assembler dev |
| 19:16.37 | ssm2017 | the doc says : put the cd and follow instructions |
| 19:17.15 | ssm2017 | i dont say that debian is not working i just say that im not able to mke it work on this machine |
| 19:17.17 | Some_Person | I just don't understand why it wants me to upgrade to the backports version |
| 19:17.21 | jhutchins | ssm2017: I'm pretty familiar with what the guide says - and what it doesn't say. |
| 19:17.27 | babilen | aemquo: You will, essentially, get the ESR (extended support releases) from mozilla in wheezy-security |
| 19:17.43 | aemquo | I see |
| 19:17.44 | jhutchins | Some_Person: Did you have the backports version installed before your homebuild? |
| 19:17.58 | Some_Person | jhutchins: Now that you mention it, I might have |
| 19:18.32 | jhutchins | Some_Person: Either that, or some other package from backports is trying to pull it in. |
| 19:19.12 | jhutchins | Some_Person: You could always use the why command in aptitude to see. |
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| 19:19.57 | Some_Person | jhutchins: How do I do that? |
| 19:20.09 | Some_Person | I don't really use aptitude |
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| 19:24.06 | Ophidian | hi, i got a small problem :) i got a new linux cloud server and i installed webmin. I activated the firewall (luckily with still access to ssh) and now my webserver is down. i added the accept rules for port 80 and port 443 as descriped in the manual. I just don't find how to restart the iptables ? |
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| 19:25.10 | ssm2017 | Jobbe: maybe you can switch the machine off and unplug the power plug dduring 5 minutes and then try again (im wondering if refit is buggy) |
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| 19:26.10 | Jobbe | ssm2017: i fixced it, just had to hold down ALT alt select to boot from "rEFIt" |
| 19:26.28 | ssm2017 | cool |
| 19:26.36 | Jobbe | I'm gonna try fix wifi now |
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| 19:26.48 | Jobbe | aparently they use a BCM4322 |
| 19:27.23 | ssm2017 | whe my imac was working with debian before i decide to reinstall, i had no problem to install wifi |
| 19:27.30 | Jobbe | ok |
| 19:27.34 | Jobbe | what module ? |
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| 19:28.05 | ssm2017 | i have made a search on google with my chipset name and wheezy and found a beautifull page on the doc |
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| 19:28.29 | Jobbe | yes! my card works |
| 19:28.41 | Jobbe | at least it says on wireless.kernel.org |
| 19:28.45 | ssm2017 | i dont remember the details, im not using debian to dev drivers, or compile kernel, im using debian to use programs on it |
| 19:29.02 | Jobbe | I'm gonna try my luck with b43 |
| 19:29.45 | ssm2017 | on my side, im on the point to say to the installer : "install on entire disk with guided partitionning" :) killing all other partitions |
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| 19:32.05 | lecoeus | i installed debian on a computer with amd graphics and xrandr doesn't work |
| 19:32.07 | lecoeus | any ideas? |
| 19:32.17 | lecoeus | i need that to use dual head |
| 19:32.31 | rainfyre | Jobbe: what kind of mac are you trying to get working? |
| 19:33.34 | Jobbe | rainfyre: medio 2009 13" macbook pro |
| 19:33.46 | Jobbe | working on wifi now |
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| 19:35.16 | rainfyre | Jobbe: I'm on an older mac, 17" powerbook g4, but usinb32legacy |
| 19:35.30 | rainfyre | Jobbe: b43legacy |
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| 19:36.30 | Jobbe | ahh nice rainfyre and yeah b43legacy is what i'm going for |
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| 19:37.22 | rainfyre | Jobbe: oh ok nice. I just got my wifi working again the other day, I was accidently using b43 and b43legacy both |
| 19:37.39 | Jobbe | nice |
| 19:37.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell Jobbe about b43legacy |
| 19:37.49 | Jobbe | i just read up on wireless.kernel.org |
| 19:38.12 | babilen | lecoeus: firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
| 19:38.14 | Jobbe | that was uncalled for babilen |
| 19:38.39 | babilen | Jobbe: Oh, was it? Sorry, I thought the information would come in handy. Won't do it again. |
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| 19:38.48 | linuxusers | hello @ all |
| 19:38.54 | Jobbe | babilen: i've fiddled with b43 before :) |
| 19:39.02 | linuxusers | i got an ssd and hdd in my notebook |
| 19:39.26 | linuxusers | how big should be the var and tmp partition |
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| 19:40.00 | lecoeus | babilen: no, i did not install those |
| 19:40.08 | linuxusers | 16G for var and 8G for tmp ? |
| 19:40.19 | lecoeus | i am using open drivers though, am i not? |
| 19:40.28 | lecoeus | lsmod gives radeon |
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| 19:40.42 | babilen | linuxusers: Really depends on your usage and is impossible to answer. I'd probably recommend to use LVM and leave some unallocated space that you can redistribute later, but then you don't *have* to split those into different partitions (or rather logical volumes) |
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| 19:41.31 | linuxusers | never used lvm. used zfs pools before :) |
| 19:41.44 | digdilem | linuxusers, just put everything in one partition. splitting stuff into different ones was from the days of tiny drives, very rarely a use case for it now |
| 19:41.47 | babilen | lecoeus: Yes, those require firmware and libgl1-mesa-dri to function "properly" -- You need to have non-free sources enabled to install the former. Ask the bot about <wheezy sources.list> and <non-free sources> if you are unsure how to configure that. (/msg dpkg wheezy sources.list() |
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| 19:42.27 | linuxusers | so have i to put the tmp and var dir on the ssd with the OS? |
| 19:42.50 | lecoeus | babilen: okay, thanks |
| 19:42.53 | babilen | lecoeus: <radeon> probably comes in handy too. After the installation you will have to reboot. While you are installing that I would also strongly recommend to install the correct <microcode> package for your processor to ensure that it is working bug free. I cannot stress enough how important that is. |
| 19:42.59 | linuxusers | digdilem: would you do that? tmp, var on SSD |
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| 19:43.09 | digdilem | if you have to split it, sure - although if you think you might run out of space, /var can grow large. but you can always move partitions around later if you run out of space |
| 19:43.14 | linuxusers | I do not know how many is written there |
| 19:43.30 | digdilem | how big is the ssd? |
| 19:43.34 | lecoeus | babilen: wait, microcode is the name of the package? |
| 19:43.45 | linuxusers | 256G SSD ; 320G HDD |
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| 19:44.06 | linuxusers | but I got 2 OS on the SSD Arch and Debian |
| 19:44.15 | babilen | lecoeus: No, ask the bot about it (/msg dpkg microcode) -- the packages are called "intel-microcode" and "amd64-microcode" for Intel and AMD processors respectively |
| 19:44.16 | digdilem | linuxusers, oh dude, that's huge. wang everything on the ssd and mount the hdd as a data partition for media or anything large you have |
| 19:44.23 | Jobbe | ssm2017, rainfyre: just follow the wiki.debian.org/wl page for wheezy and it works |
| 19:44.58 | digdilem | linuxusers, actually, you've just given me ssd envy :( |
| 19:45.20 | linuxusers | got arch only cause of old KDE and an gfortran, which got some bugs in the 4.7 version |
| 19:47.14 | linuxusers | digdilem: its the best investion I done for my T500 Thinkpad. Debian boots in seconds, and arch boots directly with the KDE login splash ;-) |
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| 19:47.36 | babilen | +1 for SSD, great investment (rest in #debian-offtopic) |
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| 19:48.08 | digdilem | yes, i have ssd's in servers and my desktops, but they're only 120gb, which was the most affordable a year or so ago |
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| 19:48.48 | linuxusers | I am sad about the old KDE (cannot use Korganizer) and the old gcc/gfortran. There have something to change at the Debian philosophy. I created also a Debian package aerodynamic tool. How to add that to the responsity |
| 19:48.50 | linuxusers | ? |
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| 19:49.13 | ompaul | !mentors |
| 19:49.13 | dpkg | mentors is, like, the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 19:50.44 | vimel | during my install i selected guided encrypted which gave my / part only 10gb of space. is the safest way to give it more space would be to back up my root part, run gparted live, and extend root part? |
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| 19:50.58 | ssm2017 | jobbe my imac is starting with debian now but i have removed osx to be able to boot on debian |
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| 19:51.19 | ssm2017 | ah... wait... the nightmare is not finished for me |
| 19:51.19 | linuxusers | dpkg: I do not have the time to develope new software but maintaining this one Package is no problem. Look at AVL Athena Vortex Lattice at MIT. create a deb package for that in Single and double precision |
| 19:51.19 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, linuxusers |
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| 19:51.36 | ssm2017 | it looks like the graphic driver is not working... |
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| 19:52.34 | ssm2017 | yes black screen |
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| 19:53.42 | ompaul | linuxusers: don't try to outsource your itch, it does not work like that. |
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| 19:56.07 | xmj | has there been a systemd flamewar in the last 30 minutes? |
| 19:56.11 | linuxusers | ompaul: what do you mean? |
| 19:56.27 | xmj | just saw https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00388.html and had to laugh a little.. |
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| 19:57.59 | ompaul | linuxusers: if you want to manage the package do it. |
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| 19:59.33 | lecoeus | how do we get systemd to work in debian? |
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| 20:00.22 | abrotman | lecoeus: Are you asking how to use it now? |
| 20:00.36 | lecoeus | abrotman: yes |
| 20:00.43 | lecoeus | and whether it is a smooth transition or not |
| 20:01.08 | abrotman | lecoeus: this may depend on which version of Debian you're currently using |
| 20:01.18 | lecoeus | abrotman: how about testing? |
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| 20:03.04 | pixelgremlins | hey - I'm trying to upload a file via php outside webroot to a sshfs mounted folder ... it keeps saying it can't create that folder, but the folder already exists--and is chowned by www-data:www-data |
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| 20:03.31 | abrotman | lecoeus: you should be able to install it and use it .. |
| 20:03.54 | pixelgremlins | is there anything specific I may need to do to make this work? -- I want all files uploaded to a central server. |
| 20:04.31 | abrotman | pixelgremlins: compare UIDs |
| 20:04.35 | JHogarth | xmj: It's actually getting pretty disturbing on teh ML there... https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00429.html these people are pretty deranged :/ |
| 20:04.37 | abrotman | not usernames |
| 20:05.00 | abrotman | JHogarth: xmj, please do this in msg |
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| 20:05.25 | ssm2017 | Jobbe: after removing all partitions an d installing only debian on the entire disk, i can boot now, i had a black screen so i installed the non free driverss using another tty and now i can see the gnomme login :) |
| 20:05.30 | JHogarth | abrotman: apologies and fair enough |
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| 20:05.39 | abrotman | Thank you |
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| 20:07.54 | pixelgremlins | abrotman: I did ls -n and got 33 which is the same thing I got for id -u www-data --do I need to also make the files owned by www-data on the actual file server? |
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| 20:08.55 | abrotman | pixelgremlins: I would imagine so |
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| 20:10.14 | pixelgremlins | ok nvm -- I just checked,(I'm new to sshfs) -- and apparently the changes I made on server 1 propogated to server 2. |
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| 20:12.41 | Jobbe | ssm2017: nice |
| 20:12.46 | Jobbe | ssm2017: why remove os x ? |
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| 20:13.33 | ssm2017 | jobbe becausee i have tried during 10hours to install it on a multiboot and it was always telling me : "no bootable device found" |
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| 20:13.40 | Xuisce1 | hi ssm2017 |
| 20:14.01 | ssm2017 | the only answer i have received about my issue was : read the doc |
| 20:14.19 | ssm2017 | so i had to make a choice between both |
| 20:14.30 | Xuisce1 | hi all |
| 20:14.31 | pixelgremlins | I still can't do uploads even though /var/files is chowned www-data:www-data and uid's are the same as www-data, If I upload to the local directory it works.. but not outside app. |
| 20:14.35 | Xuisce1 | hi pixelgremlins |
| 20:14.50 | ssm2017 | i prefear debian but if one day i need osx for any reason i will just cry |
| 20:15.14 | ssm2017 | hi Xuisce1 |
| 20:15.44 | abrotman | pixelgremlins: ask PHP to be more verbose .. |
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| 20:16.45 | pixelgremlins | here's a gist of the error I'm getting and my code : https://gist.github.com/pixelgremlins/8942836 |
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| 20:22.15 | ExeciN | Is there an optics simulator or should I start looking for raytracers? |
| 20:22.44 | Xuisce1 | hi ExeciN |
| 20:23.03 | ExeciN | Xuisce1: hi |
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| 20:24.33 | Jobbe | ssm2017: damn |
| 20:25.06 | Jobbe | ssm2017: i just installed it and it worked like a charm first time :) - just had to fiddle 3 times to get it to install kernel (during same install) |
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| 20:26.57 | ssm2017 | i am using this imac since the day i have bougt it with ubuntu then debian and i did not have any issue to install it until today |
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| 20:27.28 | ssm2017 | maybe an issue in the debian installer,and efi ? maybe an issue ith refind ? |
| 20:27.35 | ssm2017 | i dont know |
| 20:27.47 | atari314 | does anyone know if the debian forum have a post size limit? |
| 20:27.54 | abrotman | ExeciN: optics, like lasers and lenses ? |
| 20:28.00 | abrotman | atari314: I'd freaking hope so |
| 20:28.44 | atari314 | abrotman: I'll just "reserve" some first replies then :) |
| 20:29.10 | abrotman | uh .. okay |
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| 20:31.22 | Xuisce1 | hi |
| 20:31.23 | ExeciN | abrotman: more like lenses, ray spread/concentration but lasers would be fine for like 90% of what I want to test |
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| 20:31.56 | abrotman | ExeciN: not that I'm aware of .. I know there are plenty of electronics things |
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| 20:34.44 | ExeciN | I thought of doing a 3d model of the lenses I want, make every object of the scene glowing and see what is projected on the other side of the lenses |
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| 20:36.17 | abrotman | ExeciN: Blender? maybe? |
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| 20:36.27 | abrotman | Honestly not sure |
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| 20:36.44 | abrotman | remembers when beardy used to do blender things |
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| 20:37.15 | ExeciN | I think the renderer that blender uses is not that good with refraction and generally the stuff I want to test |
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| 20:40.09 | Rackmount | ExeciN: generally it's not. That's why lots of users use external renderers. |
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| 20:40.38 | ExeciN | Rackmount: any suggestions? |
| 20:41.03 | ssm2017 | hello Jobbe from my all new ignome machine :) |
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| 20:41.38 | Rackmount | yafray get's pretty decent results. there's several of them these days however. |
| 20:41.46 | Rackmount | s/get's/gets |
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| 20:43.55 | babilen | ExeciN: There is a shiny #blender channel that probably knows a lot more about it than #debian ;) |
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| 20:46.14 | vppy_ | hi all, I have an OVA file which I would like to extract. How do I extract it? thanks |
| 20:46.36 | vppy_ | if I run the file command on it, it says gzip compressed data |
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| 20:48.50 | boycottg00gle | vppy_: mabye try "zcat foo.ova|file -" |
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| 20:49.40 | ompaul | gunzip foo |
| 20:50.06 | vppy_ | boycottg00gle: Thanks |
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| 20:50.27 | boycottg00gle | vppy_: the result was? |
| 20:50.30 | vppy_ | ompaul: tried that, it said unknown extension |
| 20:50.32 | Tramp | ompaul: gzip: foo: unknown suffix -- ignored |
| 20:50.47 | vppy_ | boycottg00gle: works |
| 20:51.01 | vppy_ | gona take a while I suspect as its 32GB |
| 20:51.28 | boycottg00gle | vppy_: my suggestion was only to see what the uncompressed would look like |
| 20:51.57 | ompaul | you can use -t to test |
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| 20:52.50 | Xuisce1 | hi ompaul boycottg00gle others |
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| 20:53.09 | vppy_ | boycottg00gle: It said tar archive, so I used tar tvf debian.ova |
| 20:53.19 | boycottg00gle | vppy_: ah ok |
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| 20:54.50 | koell | can i open links in terminal without holding strg down? |
| 20:54.53 | vppy_ | boycottg00gle: Thanks. Im having so many difficulties migrating a vm from Xen. I think I have managed to do it, but I forced a ova file this time. extracting now, lets see the result. |
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| 20:55.37 | vppy_ | boycottg00gle: Is there a way to take a copy of debian and then import alll files to a few fresh debian install? |
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| 20:56.28 | poppy | Is there a way to have direct rendering with gflrx-legacy ? |
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| 20:58.38 | boycottg00gle | vppy_: sorry have to leave |
| 20:58.53 | vppy_ | boycottg00gle: np |
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| 21:00.58 | ssm2017 | im leaving the place now, thank you Jobbe for your attention and good luck with your machine |
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| 21:02.24 | vppy_ | Is there a faster way to copy a large file than simply cp? |
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| 21:02.55 | kRush | depends on your bandwith/latency requirements ;( |
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| 21:04.17 | vppy_ | kRush: Hm. its on a local machine. So from an external drive to the server. |
| 21:04.25 | pixelgremlins | hey -- could my file upload problem be due to the fact that www-data doesn't have an ssh access to the filesystem on server2? -- ie no ssh key? |
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| 21:04.40 | kRush | locally? no |
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| 21:04.57 | xreal | Anyone ever used fuseloop? Can't get it to work... |
| 21:05.25 | pixelgremlins | the files folder is a symbolic link to /var/files on server2 using sshfs |
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| 21:07.17 | mns | I've got a vnc server running on my debian system. I am connecting to it via a vnc viewer. all I am seeing is the default X11 background. I was expecting to see the desktop of whoever islogged in, or the login screen. |
| 21:07.37 | Tramp | pixelgremlins: maybe. man sshfs, search for "allow_other" |
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| 21:10.33 | brupha | hello, have a bit of a problem. Put it all in a pastebin http://pastebin.com/4FRipGj4 |
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| 21:12.01 | xreal | Anyone ever used fuseloop? Can't get it to work... Seems to be in Debian mentor modus. |
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| 21:14.44 | Kingsy | anyone in here use mutt ? |
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| 21:15.31 | fgro | Hi. I'm trying to install (compile) ruby 2.1 with rvm on debian, yet I get this Illegal Instruction exception. Here is my make.log: http://bpaste.net/show/178145/ |
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| 21:16.49 | mns | Kingsy: I use mutt |
| 21:17.11 | Kingsy | mns: when you installed it, did you see config files made in ~/.muttrc ? |
| 21:17.27 | Kingsy | none were made for me, and the documentation does not seem to supply an option to create them |
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| 21:19.21 | mns | Kingsy: no it doesn't create a ~/.muttrc for you. you create that on your own. |
| 21:20.07 | Kingsy | mns: is there a binary to create a skeleton? or a place to download one? I really don't know what I am doing here.. never used mutt before |
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| 21:21.11 | brupha | looking for a bit of direction on this ... http://pastebin.com/4FRipGj4 |
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| 21:21.34 | Kingsy | I guess I could find and copy the directives right outta the documentation |
| 21:21.36 | Kingsy | shruggs |
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| 21:24.34 | mns | Kingsy: you can use /usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/sample.muttrc.gz as a starting point. |
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| 21:25.29 | mns | Kingsy: I would suggest go through the documentation, and create a ~/.muttrc from scratch putting in only the options you want/need. |
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| 21:27.25 | Kingsy | mns: I am not sure if this is for me tbh. it seems very difficult to setup, you cant view images, html, attach files (without scp to server first) it seems a little limited.. |
| 21:27.28 | Kingsy | how do you find it |
| 21:27.30 | Kingsy | *? |
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| 21:30.04 | AnimalFarmPig | Hi. I've got a pretty minimal Debian install, and I'm trying to get a mobile broadband connection set up using NetworkManager. I can put in the information for the connection but I get the following message when trying to complete-- ""Not authorized to control networking". My user is already a member of the netdev group. Any ideas? |
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| 21:31.21 | AnimalFarmPig | I'm running XFCE invoked by startx, by the way |
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| 21:34.28 | mns | Kingsy: mutt is text-based email client. I attache files all the time and view HTML attachments as well. But the whole point of mutt is that email is text based. How exactly are you using mutt ? For most things, there is enough material online to figure it out. Also there's the #mutt channel as well. |
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| 21:47.12 | kruzin | umm, anyone here? |
| 21:48.18 | mtn | kruzin: nope |
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| 21:48.38 | Some_Person | I'm just curious. Why do the debian repos include both openjdk/icedtea 6 and 7? |
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| 21:49.31 | TheWarden | Hello |
| 21:50.16 | TheWarden | I'm trying to manual setup the nvidia video driver. I've followed the instructions laid out at https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard. |
| 21:50.24 | phogg | Some_Person: idk, but I presume some people rely on older versions and are not compatible with newer |
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| 21:50.35 | Kniffelmeister | hi, if i use backports, do i have to update/upgrade them separatly? |
| 21:50.54 | TheWarden | all has been successful as far as I can tell until I get to the part of creating the Xorg configuration file. |
| 21:51.17 | TheWarden | I created just as it stated at https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure as apparently that is the bare minimum required. |
| 21:51.28 | Kniffelmeister | sudo apt-get -t wheezy-backports install icedove [newline] icedove is already the newest version. [newline] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 85 not upgraded. |
| 21:51.51 | TheWarden | however I get an "Error could not insert 'nvidia_current'; no such device. Fatal server error no screens found" |
| 21:51.53 | Some_Person | Kniffelmeister: Packages will not upgrade from the normal repos to the backports version. However, once you install a package from backports, it will upgrade normally if a newer version is pushed there |
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| 21:52.28 | Kniffelmeister | Some_Person: ok. but then why do i get 85 not upgraded? |
| 21:52.30 | TheWarden | oh just to clarify I ran this to install nvidia drivers, aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 21:53.13 | Some_Person | Kniffelmeister: Probably because you have other packages that have newer versions in backports that you didn't choose to install (like I said, you won't upgrade automatically from the standard repos to backports) |
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| 21:53.55 | Some_Person | Only specific packages you choose and their dependencies will be pulled from backports |
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| 21:54.16 | Kniffelmeister | Some_Person: oh ok got it! thank you. guess, as long as i don't miss any of thos packages there is also no gain in "upgrading" them to backports |
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| 21:59.22 | TheWarden | What have I done wrong or have I chosen a wrong material to follow as it's out dated? I tried using nvidia-config to produce the Xorg configuration file as well however I received the same error message. So not sure if this is possible but maybe it's not loading the 20-nvidia.conf file in the first place? |
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| 21:59.56 | diegoviola | hi |
| 22:00.06 | diegoviola | debian decided to go with systemd? is that true? |
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| 22:02.24 | ompaul | diegoviola: how did you come across this information? |
| 22:02.44 | diegoviola | i read it here: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYwMDQ |
| 22:03.23 | jordanm | diegoviola: the tech-ctte has decided. this isn't the place to discuss it though |
| 22:03.35 | diegoviola | ok sorry about that |
| 22:03.38 | diegoviola | i was just curious about it |
| 22:03.40 | ompaul | diegoviola: you could follow the links in that document |
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| 22:03.45 | diegoviola | but now that you tell me, i'm glad that debian has made this wise choice |
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| 22:03.49 | diegoviola | ok thanks |
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| 22:05.13 | trone | I'm installing with a netinst.iso and I'm at software selection time ({web,print,sql,dns,file,...} server): where I can read the packages installed choosing specific option? |
| 22:05.25 | trone | I found this: https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel but isn't complete |
| 22:05.49 | quest23 | hi world .. i have an issue ... debian wheezy up to date > i did a mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /var/lib/mysql.tmpfs i have enouth RAM but when truying to copy files from mysql folder to this one .. i get " " No space left on device" message .. thanks for any idea |
| 22:06.40 | quest23 | some files are copied .. but not all ones .. |
| 22:07.07 | quest23 | again mysql main folder is less than 100 Mb and i have enouth ram .. |
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| 22:07.28 | quest23 | it s on a virtual server. |
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| 22:08.20 | vimel | quest23: have you tried to give the VM more ram through the VM manager, then reboot the VM to see if error persists? |
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| 22:08.46 | quest23 | actualy i don"t own the vm server |
| 22:08.56 | quest23 | it s from a hosting provider |
| 22:09.06 | quest23 | but i have 2GB |
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| 22:10.03 | Rodya | hi, i'm using py2dsc and debuild to create a custom package of celery-3.1.1 and i'm running into an issue, "install: cannot change ownership of ‘debian/python-celery/usr/share/doc/python-celery/changelog.Debian’: Operation not permitted" when debuild runs dh_installchangelogs... this is the only package i've had this issue with and i'm not sure why it's failing for this one? |
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| 22:10.28 | zenlunatic | diegoviola: phronix is a terrible news source. |
| 22:10.32 | vimel | ^ |
| 22:10.35 | Jekko^_^ | good evening, my rpi is in a mess... |
| 22:10.59 | zenlunatic | diegoviola: just check debian announce or lwn.net |
| 22:11.05 | Jekko^_^ | http://pastie.org/8723857 |
| 22:11.13 | diegoviola | ok thanks |
| 22:11.27 | Jekko^_^ | i already tried apt-get -f install with no luck |
| 22:11.48 | vimel | quest23: i would backup the tmpfs, delete the director, unmount and remove fstab entry, reboot server and add the tmpfs again, + fstab entry and cp back the data. see if issue persists. |
| 22:11.56 | vimel | directory* |
| 22:12.02 | zenlunatic | or wait, it might not be on debian announce but on a debian list |
| 22:12.13 | quest23 | vimel it does already tried this |
| 22:12.25 | quest23 | was thinking about a sysclt var or something else .. |
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| 22:13.08 | indomitus | how can i boot into the command line instead of into a DE? |
| 22:13.09 | quest23 | any way thanks ! |
| 22:13.27 | quest23 | indomitus: remove xdm kdm gdm lxdm |
| 22:13.28 | kossi | im searching fore some open source mail server os |
| 22:13.41 | quest23 | from init |
| 22:14.06 | kossi | or is there any webinterface for postfix or exim ? |
| 22:14.29 | jordanm | kossi: no |
| 22:14.30 | quest23 | kossi > webmin probably .. but ... be carfull with this kind of tool |
| 22:14.32 | mortal1 | indomitus: yeah I think init 3 booting to command line, or maybe it's run level. it's been a *long* time. I suggest you google |
| 22:14.50 | indomitus | quest23: apt-get unistall? |
| 22:14.51 | jordanm | kossi: unless you want to consider cPanel/WHM |
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| 22:15.11 | mortal1 | can one install certain things from unstable and have the rest of the os at stable or testing? |
| 22:15.13 | indomitus | can I remove GNOME from within GNOME? |
| 22:15.33 | mortal1 | indomitus: you don't want to do that man, just change your run level |
| 22:15.34 | Tramp | !tell indomitus -about nodm |
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| 22:15.38 | Jekko^_^ | hello? does someone have time to help me too? |
| 22:15.46 | quest23 | indomitus: > update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 22:15.51 | quest23 | indomitus: > update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 22:15.55 | quest23 | indomitus: > update-rc.d -f lxdm remove |
| 22:15.57 | quest23 | indomitus: > update-rc.d -f kdm remove |
| 22:16.35 | quest23 | mortal1: you can use backport ?! |
| 22:17.15 | kossi | anyone of you tryed iredmail ? |
| 22:17.24 | Tramp | quest23: did you check man tmpfs and search for TMPFS_SIZE? |
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| 22:17.58 | Jekko^_^ | *waving his hands* |
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| 22:18.19 | vimel | Jekko^_^: ask your question. if we can help we will. |
| 22:18.39 | Jekko^_^ | just look at this http://pastie.org/8723857 |
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| 22:19.39 | mortal1 | Jekko^_^: ...in another language... |
| 22:19.53 | indomitus | handy info Tramp, thanks |
| 22:19.57 | Jekko^_^ | yes, i am italian :( |
| 22:20.04 | mortal1 | look man, if you want help at least take the time to run it through google translate or something |
| 22:20.05 | Tramp | indomitus: welcome |
| 22:20.09 | Jekko^_^ | i will try to translate with google |
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| 22:21.09 | Jekko^_^ | try this http://pastie.org/8723890 |
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| 22:21.31 | Jekko^_^ | i already tried apt-get -f install. It doesn't work. |
| 22:22.20 | cafuego | !doesn't work |
| 22:22.21 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 22:22.46 | Tramp | Jekko^_^: LANG=C <your command here> - that should temorarily change the output of <your command here> to English |
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| 22:24.12 | Jekko^_^ | tramp i tried to weite lang=c sudo apt-get install upgrade |
| 22:24.21 | Jekko^_^ | but the output remain in italian |
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| 22:24.35 | Tramp | Jekko^_^: where did i write "lang=c"?? |
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| 22:24.54 | Jekko^_^ | on the consolle line interface of the raspberry pi |
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| 22:25.08 | Tramp | I never said "lang=c". I said "LANG=C" |
| 22:25.16 | Jekko^_^ | capital? |
| 22:25.24 | Tramp | I don't use caps for fun. |
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| 22:25.44 | Tramp | Jekko^_^: in case it's not clear: YES! |
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| 22:26.49 | Jekko^_^ | YES IT WORKS :) |
| 22:26.51 | Jekko^_^ | http://pastie.org/8723902 |
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| 22:27.06 | Tramp | welcome |
| 22:27.21 | Jekko^_^ | so the problem is in the pasties |
| 22:27.37 | quest23 | Tramp: actually yes .. i did mount with enouth size |
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| 22:28.26 | Jekko^_^ | and this is the output of the sudo apt-get -f install: |
| 22:28.39 | Tramp | quest23: and you don't see that size in e.g. df -h -t tmpfs |
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| 22:28.45 | Jekko^_^ | http://pastie.org/8723909 |
| 22:28.57 | Jekko^_^ | do you have some solution for the issue? |
| 22:29.06 | sidi | Hi. Which is the latest Debian distro to ship Linux 2,6, please? |
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| 22:29.40 | viscera | sidi, squeeze i beleive |
| 22:30.01 | norberhuis | Hello all, I tried extending a LV and after that I tried to resize the file system, but I used mke2fs by mistake. Now all the data does not show, but if I execute df -h I see that I only have 1% free. Is my data still around? |
| 22:30.06 | viscera | sidi, but 2.x vs 3.x doesn't mean much |
| 22:30.20 | quest23 | Tramp: i do .. i have 1 GB avalable my mysql fodler is less then 100 MB |
| 22:30.25 | quest23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.46 | sidi | viscera, need to use some research tool that is quite low level and only 2.6-compatible |
| 22:30.49 | sidi | viscera, thanks. |
| 22:31.20 | viscera | sidi, what i mean is that the number doesn't represent a major change... you can maybe fake the kernel version (?) |
| 22:32.11 | sidi | viscera, tell me more? |
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| 22:32.24 | mintgreen | i i nstalled Debian wheezy 7.3.how to upgrade to 7.4? |
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| 22:32.27 | Jekko^_^ | http://pastie.org/8723909 |
| 22:32.29 | Jekko^_^ | do you have some solution for the issue? |
| 22:32.37 | viscera | sidi, i've no idea how that'd be done... fake a system call probably. just a thought. |
| 22:32.44 | sidi | viscera, that tool does binary instrumentation though so I assume it could have some reason to use some kernel-ish stuff |
| 22:32.53 | viscera | sidi, probably more trouble than it's worth to be honest |
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| 22:33.12 | sidi | viscera, im very happy to smash my Arch VM and put a debian one instead :-) |
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| 22:33.18 | mtn | mintgreen: syanptic, apt-get, aptitude, etc. |
| 22:33.28 | mtn | synaptic, that is |
| 22:33.58 | viscera | sidi, Arch is fun unless you're feeling lazy |
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| 22:34.51 | Tramp | quest23: hmm. could you retry with "-S" (rsync option for sparse files) |
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| 22:35.48 | sidi | viscera, it is very fun but I dont see how on earth I'm gonna run 2.6 and get the correct versions of whatever packages and modules won't be happy about the change. Sometimes distros with freezed repos have advantages :) |
| 22:36.05 | Jekko^_^ | Tramp? |
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| 22:36.22 | Tramp | Jekko^_^: yes? |
| 22:36.23 | viscera | sidi, indeed. |
| 22:36.33 | Jekko^_^ | could you please help me with this? http://pastie.org/8723909 |
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| 22:38.19 | quest23 | Tramp: > actually cp give same message |
| 22:38.39 | Tramp | quest23: hmm. could you retry with "-S" (rsync option for sparse files) |
| 22:38.52 | Tramp | or run cp with --sparse, which I doubt you did |
| 22:39.34 | quest23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:40.35 | quest23 | cp: failed to extend `/var/lib/mysql.tmpfs/mysql/magento_polak/mage_report_viewed_product_index.frm': No space left on device |
| 22:40.37 | quest23 | `/var/lib/mysql/magento_polak/mage_rating_title.frm' -> `/var/lib/mysql.tmpfs/mysql/magento_polak/mage_rating_title.frm' |
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| 22:41.48 | aktau | Hey guys! |
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| 22:42.02 | aktau | I've got a remote system with a lot of D (disk sleep)'ing processes |
| 22:42.12 | Tramp | Jekko^_^: sorry, no. I know neither amule nor do I know why the user "jekko" is no (longer) on this system |
| 22:42.14 | aktau | Everything has gone haywire and I'll need to reboot |
| 22:42.29 | aktau | However, I need to be 100% sure it actually does reboot and doesn't just shut down ssh and do nothing else |
| 22:42.36 | aktau | So what would be the best command for me to use? |
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| 22:42.49 | aktau | Because if I lose ssh I'm royally screwed |
| 22:42.56 | Jekko^_^ | Tramp, ah, ok, thank you anyway, bye |
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| 22:43.37 | Tramp | quest23: hmm. And you say e.g. du -sh /var/lib/mysql/ shows it's about 100MB? |
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| 22:44.28 | quest23 | du -sh /var/lib/mysql [23:44:14] |
| 22:44.30 | quest23 | 108M /var/lib/mysql |
| 22:44.39 | quest23 | (more than 1000Mb in the tmpfs |
| 22:44.53 | quest23 | is it a virtual server |
| 22:45.00 | quest23 | i dont know what's runing under |
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| 22:45.14 | quest23 | maybe it s just a lx contener |
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| 22:45.43 | quest23 | http://www.1and1.co.uk/virtual-server;jsessionid=7D82643C5A32F0D74659859746552720.TCpfix144a?__lf=Static&linkId=hd.subnav.virtual-private-servers |
| 22:45.53 | quest23 | virtual sever from here the lowest one .. |
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| 22:49.40 | Tramp | quest23: sorry, I'm sort of out of ideas .... - can you fill the tmpfs with dd? (e.g. dd if=/dev/zero of=./foobar bs=8M count=100 ? |
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| 22:50.43 | quest23 | Tramp: thanks for you time .. in fact i think their virtual hosting are not well done .. not the first time i have issue with their product .. |
| 22:50.52 | quest23 | anyway thanks for your time |
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| 22:51.48 | Tramp | quest23: np. The only thing I could offer would be to try the "tar" method from here: http://tramp.mm.st/recursively-copy-a-directory-using-cp-tar-or-rsync.txt , and see, if anything changes - though I somehow doubt it. |
| 22:52.13 | quest23 | thanks |
| 22:52.20 | Tramp | welcome |
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| 23:04.27 | Kobaz | here's a fun metrics question.... top shows you %wa... iotop/dstat/pidstat etc can show you bytes/sec and all that... but what I want to see is: what processes are in top's wa% |
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| 23:08.53 | zgrks | hi |
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| 23:10.21 | masterkorp | hello |
| 23:10.30 | masterkorp | http://pastie.org/8724002 |
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| 23:12.23 | masterkorp | i am having trouble with my encoding |
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| 23:14.04 | themill | masterkorp: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and add that locale to the list of locales to be generated |
| 23:15.36 | masterkorp | turns out the package wasn't even installed |
| 23:16.12 | WrongButton | That'll throw a wrench in the works. |
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| 23:22.21 | masterkorp | thak you |
| 23:22.47 | themill | np |
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| 23:24.18 | Dopaa | hey, I have this strange issue on debian 7, after about 30 minutes after system start, the internet connectrion breaks down. I'm still connectet to the wifi-router, but I can't open websites or connect to IRC servers. after a reboot it works again for 30 min |
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| 23:26.15 | Dopaa | Where should I look to get a clue what this is causing? I have compared ifconfig before and after it occurs but it looks the same |
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| 23:30.07 | grimeton | Dopaa: /var/log/* |
| 23:30.15 | grimeton | Dopaa: and check in dmesg if there is something "weird" |
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| 23:30.59 | Dopaa | ok i will check, problem is i'm new to linux and dont know what to look for really |
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| 23:31.19 | grimeton | Dopaa: any message related to your nic |
| 23:31.32 | grimeton | my guess is that it gets to hot and powers down or something like that |
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| 23:33.35 | nabblet | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.30 | Kobaz | nabblet: install the keys for your repo and if you still get a warning, then yeah it's a problem (someone is feeding you non-official packages) |
| 23:35.35 | themill | nabblet: try running apt-get update again and make sure there are no errors |
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| 23:36.04 | Kobaz | nabblet: most likely you're just missing the key |
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| 23:36.39 | nabblet | Kobaz: themill ok. gimme some time (64kbps - update will take some minutes :/ ) |
| 23:37.36 | themill | nabblet: apt-get update should be quite fast if there's nothing to update |
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| 23:39.13 | nabblet | themill: 7 minutes remaining |
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| 23:44.20 | jgowdy | http://i.imgur.com/wOg6Ync.jpg |
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| 23:45.25 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:45.38 | jgowdy | k np ;) |
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| 23:56.12 | saivert | I'm off to #debian-offtopic |
| 23:56.42 | iceroot | is this a security issue in your opinion? i am using keypass (from the repos) and the databasesfiles which are generated to have world-readable, even when it is protected with a password this is a strange default in my opinion -rw-r--r-- 1 michael michael 5773564 Feb 5 10:54 passdb.kdb |
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| 23:57.05 | iceroot | sorry, keepassx, not keypass |
| 23:59.14 | iceroot | what is handling that the file will have o+r? is it the application itself or a debian default? (umask??) |
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| 23:59.54 | themill | iceroot: you need the passphrase to be able to open the file still, but yes, it would probably make sense for keepassx to ignore umask and make files 0600 by default. |
