| 00:00.34 | iceroot | themill: ok, thank you, i will search later if a bug for that exist, if not i would create a bug against keepassx |
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| 00:16.42 | tapout_ | with iptables, how can you insert a rule for every address, except the local machine? any ips registered to local machine, should be allowed... any remote, deny |
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| 00:17.14 | tapout_ | should I write an INPUT for any addresses originating from me, -J ACCEPT, and then deny all ? |
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| 00:18.34 | rneese | hey guys any pkg devs here I have a issue I dont understand with some pkgs I made |
| 00:18.41 | rneese | Setting up fusionpbx-app-sip-profiles (3.5-5) ... |
| 00:18.41 | rneese | /var/lib/dpkg/info/fusionpbx-app-sip-profiles.postinst: 9: /var/lib/dpkg/info/fusionpbx-app-sip-profiles.postinst: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting "do") |
| 00:18.54 | rneese | but looking at the core pkg it mateches |
| 00:20.14 | themill | rneese: perhaps you can pastebin /var/lib/dpkg/info/fusionpbx-app-sip-profiles.postinst |
| 00:20.25 | rneese | I found it I have a \ where there should not be one |
| 00:21.18 | rneese | found it after the 10th ground |
| 00:22.11 | mcurran | I am looking for the best place to define my cuda path variable and was just wondering what anyone else is doing. There's /etc/profile /etc/profile.d /home/<user>/.bashrc etc. I defined the ld_library_path in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/nvidia-cuda.conf, so I was wondering if I could create a similar file in /etc/profile.d/nvidia-cuda.conf |
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| 00:31.22 | jordanm | mcurran: if you want it to apply to all users and all shells, then that's fine |
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| 00:32.35 | mcurran | nevermind, i just added the path to the two definitions in /etc/profile, some reason I don't know how to update afterwards though. Figured it would be cleaner to remove if I had an independent file in profile.d, but i don't know the syntax and don't feel like restarting to test it out. |
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| 01:11.29 | ion_ | I'm having difficulties with truecrypt I can't set it up |
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| 01:22.49 | ion_ | I solve my problems but thanks anyway |
| 01:23.03 | ion_ | I solved I mean. |
| 01:23.08 | ion_ | cheers |
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| 01:30.36 | kbw | systemd |
| 01:30.52 | kbw | Why oh why |
| 01:30.55 | saivert | the solution to everything? |
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| 01:31.53 | kbw | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1xm7c6/bdale_officially_uses_his_casting_vote_to_choose/cfd21qx was this comment snarky enough? |
| 01:32.39 | kbw | anyways |
| 01:32.52 | kbw | does debian/kfreebsd have radeon kms support? |
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| 01:33.14 | kbw | ah, still 8.x |
| 01:35.49 | abrotman | kbw: #debian-offtopic please |
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| 01:36.38 | kbw | abrotman, I was asking about debian kfreebsd |
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| 01:37.04 | abrotman | kbw: I meant about the other thing |
| 01:37.11 | kbw | ah ok |
| 01:38.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell about kfreebsd |
| 01:38.55 | abrotman | dpkg: tell kbw about kfreebsd |
| 01:40.02 | tiron | so, I've been trying for a bit, but can't figure this out: I have a debian box, user1 is logged into the desktop, now, if I ssh in as user1 from a remote box, I can use xwd or gnome-screenshot fine, but if I ssh as user2, I can't. I tried export DISPLAY=:0 (and 0.0, etc), but nothing much seemed to work, probably because I am not understanding what's going on behind the scenes |
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| 01:40.45 | tiron | how can I use xwd as user2 to grab a screenshot of user1's current desktop (X)? |
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| 01:44.14 | buu | tiron: Specify the right DISPLAY? |
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| 01:45.10 | tiron | buu: so, if I run "w", it shows user 1 logged into the gdm-session FROM :0, but export DISPLAY=:0 does fix anything |
| 01:45.25 | tiron | same error (unable to open display) |
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| 01:46.41 | buu | tiron: Because you lack permissions? |
| 01:46.53 | tiron | buu: tried this as root and still nog o |
| 01:46.55 | tiron | *no go |
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| 01:52.36 | diegoviola | i'm very happy that systemd is now the default in debian, or will be, thank you for that decision |
| 01:53.09 | kRush | you're welcome |
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| 01:53.58 | diegoviola | thank you |
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| 01:55.35 | nightfly | (purely for having consistency across all major distros) |
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| 01:56.38 | saivert | people need to stop caring what canonical does |
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| 01:59.27 | copec | For a wireless network in gnome 3.8.4 network settings, is there a way to type in BSSID MAC instead of having to use the dropdown? I want to use a network manager on my lappy, and I want to connect to a wireless network on 5ghz that is named the same as 2.4ghz |
| 02:00.08 | Sapatoshi | Hi, I just installed Debian Wheezy and I have found that the Iceweasel version is 24. I cant find anything related in the changelog. As far as I know, Iceweasel version has been 17 until today. Is everything right? |
| 02:01.49 | themill | ,v iceweasel |
| 02:01.50 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 24.2.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 24.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 24.3.0esr-1; experimental: 27.0-2 |
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| 02:02.12 | themill | Sapatoshi: yes, the latest round of security updates brought in v24 (it was 10 then 17 before that). |
| 02:02.31 | themill | There are extended-support-releases (i.e. longer than the normal 5 minutes from mozilla) |
| 02:02.39 | centrx | Sapatoshi, http://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2858 |
| 02:03.12 | mersault | Anyone here running jessie running into an issue with stale NFS handles? I'm getting them immediately after mounting an NFS share. |
| 02:03.58 | Sapatoshi | perfect then! thanks a lot :) |
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| 02:11.18 | mersault | I've tried googling, but this isn't the usual stale NFS handle stuff wherein the server changed IPs or some such. This is immediately after mounting the volume. Strangely my mac os x host can mount the volumes just fine. |
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| 02:13.30 | acr | hi |
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| 02:13.56 | acr | where to find clear intro to build debian packages? |
| 02:14.03 | themill | dpkg: tell acr about nmg |
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| 02:16.07 | themill | There's also the "packaging-tutorial" package; https://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#packaging-tutorial |
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| 02:19.37 | acr | packaging-tutorial not clear |
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| 02:21.59 | shellox1 | hi |
| 02:23.21 | centrx | Ahoy |
| 02:23.31 | shellox1 | hey can someone help me to figure out why I can't install a package |
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| 02:23.47 | centrx | !ask |
| 02:23.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:23.59 | shellox1 | i try to install aptititude install facter |
| 02:24.06 | shellox1 | but it reports no install canidates |
| 02:24.22 | shellox1 | ah nevermind |
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| 02:24.41 | shellox1 | this stupid puppet module pinned something in /etc/apt/preferences.d |
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| 02:26.07 | themill | The output of "apt-cache policy $package" is normally helpful in such situations. |
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| 02:42.50 | mns | I've got x11vnc running on my debian system. from my laptop I xtightvncviewer to connect to it, but I get nothing. xtightvncviewer tells me that the RFB protocol is 3.8, that I dont need authentication, and that authentication was successful. Than it just waits there, doing nothing. been like that for 5 minutes. |
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| 02:43.10 | mns | both local and remote systems are debian/testing |
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| 02:43.46 | onitaL | and in the same network? |
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| 02:44.15 | mns | yes on the same network |
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| 02:45.37 | mns | I can see on the remote machine messages from x11vnc saying "client useCopyRect: 24.63.161.13527 0" with .127 being my local laptop's IP. remote machines IP is .1 |
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| 02:46.06 | mns | the thing is, if I use lightdm's built-in VNC, I can connect to it just fine. |
| 02:46.17 | mns | but not if I'm using x11vnc |
| 02:46.59 | Showing | Hello! Can anyone help-me with the ATI (HD 7970) drivers on Debian 7.4 (With Jessie sources) ? I'll try everything, so tired.... :S |
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| 02:50.29 | centrx | Showing, What have you tried so far? |
| 02:51.41 | Showing | centrx, Hi dude, so... I'll try with this drivers: amd13.12 amd13.1-legacy amd13.35 amd14.1-beta |
| 02:52.13 | centrx | Are these Debian packages? |
| 02:52.24 | Showing | I have twice HD 7970, but in this moment, just one is on |
| 02:52.39 | Showing | centrx, I get on ati website |
| 02:53.06 | centrx | Have you tried the Debian packages? |
| 02:54.07 | dvs | Showing: The firmware-linux-nonfree package has the Radeon HD 7900 as the most recent video card. |
| 02:54.51 | Showing | dvs, I'm using Jessie sources... how to ? |
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| 02:55.01 | Showing | centrx, not yet... just offline packages ya |
| 02:55.23 | centrx | dvs, What is the difference between firmware-linux-nonfree and fglrx ? |
| 02:55.29 | centrx | fglrx-driver |
| 02:56.03 | abrotman | what? |
| 02:56.11 | abrotman | one is the radeon driver, the other is fglrx |
| 02:56.22 | Showing | dvs, I already have the firmware-linux-nonfree installed here, but for any tools I need the drivers 100% working |
| 02:56.25 | dvs | centrx: firmware-linux-nonfree works with the radeon driver built into the kernel |
| 02:56.26 | centrx | "FGLRX / AMD Catalyst is the non-free proprietary display driver for the ATI/AMD RadeonHD and FireGL graphics cards." |
| 02:56.48 | dvs | Showing: That firmware doesn't support the 7970 chip. |
| 02:57.10 | Showing | so I remove this package? |
| 02:57.17 | Showing | maybe have a conflict? |
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| 02:57.57 | dvs | Showing: If you're not using the radeon driver, you shoud remove it. |
| 02:58.32 | Showing | dvs, so can I remove it and try install AMD Catalyst with fglrx, correct? |
| 02:59.12 | dvs | Showing: I've never used the fglrx driver but the radeon driver currently doesn't support your chip. |
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| 02:59.50 | Showing | but 7970 is the good card, can't understand :S |
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| 03:00.08 | dvs | The card is too new for the kernel. |
| 03:00.29 | Showing | but I'm using Jessie upgrade on 7.4 here, so my kernel is 3.12-1-amd64 |
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| 03:01.02 | dvs | Still too new for the kernel |
| 03:01.15 | Showing | omg ;( |
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| 03:01.46 | Showing | how I fix it, I already try some things, install, remove, install, remove... I'm staying crazy :/ |
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| 03:05.03 | centrx | Will the xserver-xorg-video-radeon or fglrx-driver work? |
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| 03:06.40 | Showing | # fglrxinfo |
| 03:06.40 | Showing | X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) |
| 03:06.50 | Showing | sometimes work, sometimes not |
| 03:06.52 | Showing | :S |
| 03:07.41 | dvs | Looks like the Catalyst 13.10 driver will work but I've never used them before. |
| 03:08.36 | sajjadg | hey guys. I wanna install wine on debian jessie. I used to do this from packages provided in this link: http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ but now that i've checked it it seems it just has few wine packages from latest version. wine, libwine, wine-dev, wine--dbg. what about other packages? do I need 1.7.11 version of all of them? |
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| 03:13.01 | Showing | i'll try find the 13.10 and test |
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| 04:19.10 | vmiimu | I'd like to have automatic upgrades in wheezy, should I be looking at unattended-upgrades or cron-apt? |
| 04:19.46 | jordanm | vmiimu: unattended-upgrades |
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| 04:20.44 | kat_ | Guys, is AntiX Debian. Am new with it. No one seems to be over on that channel. |
| 04:20.45 | vmiimu | jordanm: so apt-getinstall unattended-upgrades; dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades |
| 04:21.17 | kat_ | Is anyone here? |
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| 04:21.50 | jordanm | vmiimu: I would check out the documentation, I recall having to make a config file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
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| 04:22.17 | themill | dpkg: tell kat_ about AntiX |
| 04:22.18 | jordanm | kat_: no, it's not debian |
| 04:22.23 | jordanm | !tell kat_ about based on debian |
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| 04:22.56 | vmiimu | jordanm : thanks - how can i check docs? man unattended-upgrades |
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| 04:23.05 | kat_ | So, who do I talk to about AntiX? |
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| 04:23.47 | jordanm | vmiimu: /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades/README |
| 04:23.48 | socomm | kat_: have you tried talking to a psychiatrist? |
| 04:23.59 | jordanm | kat_: we don't know |
| 04:24.03 | kat_ | oh my gosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 05:01.56 | fibz_ | anyone know the location of that xscreensaver test pattern image with the burning screen in the middle? |
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| 05:24.09 | hans_henrik | just replaced the content of passwd / shadow / group from a debian6 to a debian 7.... this cant end well :p |
| 05:28.34 | pav5088 | What's the process for asking for a package to be backported to Wheezy? There's a bug in Wheezy isc-dhcp-server-ldap which fails when trying to encrypt using TLS. |
| 05:29.25 | pav5088 | (Encrypt the connection between ldap and the dhcp server) |
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| 05:30.50 | themill | pav5088: ask the maintainers if they would be happy doing it. Cc the backports-users mailing list. That said, bugs can just be fixed -- backports aren't normally used for bugs |
| 05:31.42 | Firefly42 | how can i feet "dpkg -l | grep grsec | awk '{ print $2 }'properly to "apt-get --purge remove" so it magically does its thing? |
| 05:32.00 | Firefly42 | s/feet/feed/ |
| 05:32.12 | themill | are you sure you don't just want aptitude remove ~ngrsec~i ? |
| 05:32.47 | Firefly42 | well, for learning purposes i would like to stick to my version |
| 05:32.54 | themill | xargs |
| 05:33.01 | Firefly42 | ah |
| 05:33.26 | themill | but parsing human readable output isn't always the best idea |
| 05:33.28 | nevyn | or a subshell. |
| 05:34.18 | nevyn | apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l|grep grsec|awk .....) |
| 05:34.38 | themill | you also can omit the grep there since dpkg -l takes a glob in the first place |
| 05:35.22 | nevyn | sure. |
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| 05:36.59 | Firefly42 | thank you themill and nevyn |
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| 05:37.37 | themill | Firefly42: apt-get can accept globs directly too, but aptitude's powerful searching language makes it great for these sorts of tasks |
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| 05:42.37 | pav5088 | themill, I thought the maintainers might be too busy to fix the issue or make a backport... seems there are a fair few important bugs in the queue |
| 05:42.53 | themill | help them fix those ones too \o/ |
| 05:43.46 | themill | that's entirely possible that they are not interested in maintaining a backport in which case you need someone else to step up and offer to do so. (there may also be reasons why a backport would be too disruptive so would not be welcome) |
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| 05:46.29 | Firefly42 | haha, crap. the usb mouse and keyboard are still not working with my custom kernel |
| 05:46.54 | SirLagz | how can usb input *not* work ? isn't it just enabling like 2 or 3 options to get USB HID ? |
| 05:47.00 | Jester | who needs usb anyway |
| 05:47.04 | SirLagz | it's been a while since i've compiled a kernel lol |
| 05:47.23 | Firefly42 | well! |
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| 05:53.37 | `Fibz` | anyone know the location of that xscreensaver test pattern image with the burning screen in the middle? |
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| 06:20.48 | tiron | is there something besides exporting display that I need to do in order to use xwd from user2 to capture a screenshot of user1's x session? |
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| 06:23.39 | themill | tiron: the client requires the relevant key too. Transfer that around with "sux" or "gksu" or with a few xauth calls. |
| 06:23.43 | themill | dpkg: tell tiron about mit-magic-cookie |
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| 06:24.15 | tiron | themill: the client being user2 in this case? |
| 06:24.24 | themill | yes |
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| 06:25.59 | tiron | themill: just to be sure, this is still relavent when both these users are on the same machine, right? |
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| 06:26.35 | themill | tiron: yes. You don't want other users on the machine opening windows on your, snooping on your windows or capturing your keystrokes. |
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| 07:39.38 | basiclaser | how do i set OS time to hw/BIOS time? |
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| 07:42.10 | mintgreen | how to solve this? http://dpaste.com/1607740/ |
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| 07:45.32 | D30 | mintgreen: maybe its a sources.list issue |
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| 07:45.38 | D30 | try to update |
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| 08:07.14 | ocx | Hi, i have an ubuntu system 12.04 to which students can come and plug in their usb sticks. When the usb stick is plugged for the first time it gets assigned partition 1 on /media/usb1 and partition 2 on /media/usb2, now if the usb is removed and replugged sometimes partition1 goes into /media/usb2 and partition2 goes into /media/usb1. Usb sticks cannot be identified since any kind of usb stick can be brought by any student,we dont have |
| 08:07.18 | ocx | What we want to achieve is when the usb stick is replugged, the partitions need to be mapped as they were initially mapped on the first initial usb insertion. Thank you |
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| 08:09.37 | Garnenya | hello here... is here anyone from Debian's wiki? |
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| 08:11.30 | dvader | ocx: You might want to ask #ubuntu |
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| 08:11.50 | ^7heo_w | hello #Debian |
| 08:12.15 | ^7heo_w | I come here to understand something I'm reading in the dpkg manpage. |
| 08:12.27 | ^7heo_w | http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=dpkg&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+7.0+wheezy&format=html&locale=en |
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| 08:13.20 | ^7heo_w | The man says: "It should not be used by package maintainers wishing to understand how dpkg will install their packages. The descriptions of what dpkg does when installing and removing packages are particularly inadequate." |
| 08:13.34 | ^7heo_w | What I understand here is: "Here are tales intended for the end user. Don't expect real documentation." |
| 08:13.45 | ^7heo_w | So, I have two questions: |
| 08:13.52 | ^7heo_w | 1. Could someone please point me to the real man? |
| 08:14.18 | ^7heo_w | 2. Could someone please explain to me why this fake man is there in place of the real one? |
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| 08:18.52 | Nik05 | ^7heo_w debian maintainer documentation? |
| 08:18.57 | omarek | Hey, I maintain a website project and routinely comment/uncomment lines in /etc/hosts to test it. This is the hosts file: https://dpaste.de/mcg4 . I'm about to start writing functional (in-browser) tests. |
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| 08:19.32 | ^7heo_w | Nik05: okay. |
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| 08:19.52 | omarek | I want to make my tests refuse to run if they detect my /etc/hosts file points at real production server instead of local dev server. |
| 08:20.21 | ^7heo_w | Nik05: so, this: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals ? |
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| 08:20.31 | omarek | What commandline utility can I use to distinguish real internet website(s) of our company, and the dev version of the website ? |
| 08:20.59 | ^7heo_w | adkins: if and test |
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| 08:21.05 | ^7heo_w | (aka [ ) |
| 08:21.20 | omarek | When I tamper in /etc/hosts, both production and dev websites work on the same URL. |
| 08:21.32 | adkins | hi, i`m trying to install "gcc". the first error i get after command "apt-get install gcc" is: "error http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main libc-dev-bin amd64 2.13-38 404 not found" |
| 08:21.45 | ^7heo_w | adkins: apt-get update |
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| 08:24.09 | adkins | ^7heo_w: thx ;) |
| 08:24.19 | ^7heo_w | anytime. |
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| 08:28.11 | johnfreez | so i finally gathered the gumption and courage to resize 2 LVM partitions |
| 08:28.28 | johnfreez | took 2 GB from one and gave it to another |
| 08:28.38 | ^7heo_w | looks like I will never have a real answer. |
| 08:28.48 | ^7heo_w | I'll wait a little more just for the sake of it... |
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| 08:30.59 | johnfreez | thus, by taking 2 GB from /home and giving it to /tmp, i solved my iceweasel { debian firefox } issue of running out of space on the /tmp partition |
| 08:31.02 | johnfreez | yay |
| 08:31.27 | ^7heo_w | okay, #debian is the new #ubuntu. |
| 08:31.31 | ^7heo_w | Good to know. |
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| 08:32.08 | ^7heo_w | therefore, it's not the right place to ask technical questions. |
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| 08:32.20 | ^7heo_w | Thanks Nik05 for your attempt at answering me. |
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| 08:32.24 | ^7heo_w | laters everyone. |
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| 08:32.45 | omarek | Is there a 'which' equivalent for websites ? I'm constantly switching /etc/hosts lines in development, I need to make sure my Selenium tests refuse to run if the production site is visible. |
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| 08:37.01 | jelly | omarek: it's called "dns"? |
| 08:37.40 | jelly | omarek: else, define "visible" |
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| 08:38.39 | johnfreez | perhaps by 'visible' they mean 'up', or available |
| 08:38.52 | johnfreez | but i can't imagine omarek wouldn't know about ping, or dig, or nslookup |
| 08:38.54 | johnfreez | et cetera |
| 08:40.02 | omarek | jelly: when my /etc/hosts is not tampered with, www.my.company.website points to actual website. When I uncomment my magic lines, the same address points to dev machine. Either localhost on virtualbox. |
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| 08:41.16 | jelly | omarek: you can verify which one is active by doing a resolver lookup: getent hosts www.my.company.website |
| 08:41.51 | jelly | (a dns lookup with dig wouldn't look at /etc/hosts) |
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| 08:44.02 | omarek | jelly: just what I needed ! Thank you. |
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| 08:47.22 | jelly | johnfreez: best not to assume too much about what users already know |
| 08:47.47 | waynr | anyone have advice for tools to debug xmlrpc over http? |
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| 08:48.33 | johnfreez | jelly, i read you |
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| 08:52.34 | mallxs | how should i interpret this line: libpixman-1-dev : Depends: libpixman-1-0 (= 0.16.4-1+deb6u1) but 0.24.0-1~bpo60+1 is to be installed |
| 08:52.47 | mallxs | still on squeeze on this machine |
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| 08:54.21 | pfote | waynr: what aspect you want to debug? httpie would be a nice http client (not sure if it explicitely supports xmlrpc), tcpdump/wireshark for problems on network level, ipython+libxmlrpc for functional tests .. lots of stuff you can use |
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| 08:55.44 | waynr | pfote: what i want to see is where the differences are between python's libxmlrpc output and xmlrpc-c's xmlrpc tool given the same xmlrpc method and parameter list |
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| 08:56.44 | waynr | i'll probably give tcpdump a shot and see if i can simply log its output to a file for each session and hopefully be able to compare the relevant data sections with little trouble |
| 08:57.08 | waynr | not familiar with ipython though |
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| 08:57.36 | pfote | waynr: yeah thats what i'd go for as well, wireshark to compare at network level |
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| 08:58.44 | waynr | i've used wireshark in the recent past but i don't like the way it displays data although maybe i just haven't experimented enough to come up with a good differential view mode |
| 09:00.02 | jelly | ,v libpixman-1-0 |
| 09:00.03 | judd | Package: libpixman-1-0 on i386 -- squeeze: 0.16.4-1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.16.4-1+deb6u1; squeeze-security: 0.16.4-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 0.24.0-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.26.0-4+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.26.0-4+deb7u1; jessie: 0.32.4-1; sid: 0.32.4-1 |
| 09:00.06 | themill | mallxs: the command you gave and the full output in a pastebin would be handy |
| 09:00.13 | jelly | dpkg, tell mallxs about bat |
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| 09:01.03 | waynr | pfote: thanks so much for the advice :) |
| 09:01.48 | pfote | waynr: in wireshark, use "follow tcp stream" to get a nice display of the payload |
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| 09:10.35 | ChrisH | thats the most used function, as far as I saw wireshark beeing used in real worl |
| 09:10.37 | ChrisH | d |
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| 09:22.47 | mallxs | themill: jelly: http://paste.debian.net/81614/ is this enough info ? |
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| 09:26.30 | mallxs | oops and apt-cache policy http://paste.debian.net/81615/ |
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| 09:27.19 | jelly | mallxs: since you already have libpixman-1-0 from squeeze-backports, you'll have to install the matching -dev from there as well. "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install libpixman-1-dev", and install the rest of -dev packages separately after that |
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| 09:27.40 | mallxs | thx |
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| 09:29.09 | jelly | I _think_ aptitude would have handled this situation automagically |
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| 09:54.28 | matuu | Hi, how to extract and save an attachment from an email using mailx or mail please ? |
| 09:54.54 | klaxa|work | hi, we're thinking about building a custom kernel for kvm-qemu virtualized machines to remove unneeded drivers and such to decrease the amount of potential attack vectors |
| 09:55.04 | matuu | i have done many researches but there was no answer to my question |
| 09:55.04 | SwedeMike | matuu: why are you limiting yourself to those two? |
| 09:55.15 | klaxa|work | a) does that make sense, b) is there already something like that, c) if not, where do i begin? |
| 09:55.21 | matuu | because i did not have a root access to the server |
| 09:55.29 | SwedeMike | matuu: no alpine or mutt ? |
| 09:55.58 | matuu | no alpine |
| 09:56.01 | matuu | no mutt |
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| 09:57.38 | SwedeMike | matuu: perhaps you could save the message to a textfile and then use a MIME tool to extract the file |
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| 09:58.03 | TomyWork | hi |
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| 09:58.38 | jelly | matuu: neither of the two have mime support. You'll have to use a mime-capable tool. |
| 09:58.39 | matuu | hum you are probably right SwedeMike but i can't even do that |
| 09:58.45 | matuu | ok |
| 09:58.57 | SwedeMike | matuu: you can't save the message to a file? |
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| 09:59.32 | matuu | hum yes i can |
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| 10:00.34 | matuu | it saves it to mbox but i dont know how to use it |
| 10:00.52 | TomyWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.05 | SwedeMike | matuu: you mean you don't know how to use the mimetools? |
| 10:01.42 | TomyWork | i read somewhere that one should put the actual IP in there, but that's kinda bad since we're using DHCP |
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| 10:02.50 | tomodachi | could someone explain debian numbering? i get the 5.0 , 6.0 7.0 but for example 7.3, is that a release? or just a point in time within debian 7. where you have upgraded to certain packages |
| 10:03.10 | SwedeMike | tomodachi: you get 7.4 when doing dist-upgrade |
| 10:03.35 | matuu | yes i mean it SwedeMike |
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| 10:03.49 | matuu | since i save my mail to the mbox file i just dont know how to use it |
| 10:03.52 | SwedeMike | tomodachi: so yes, it's basically "patch level" and any running system installed with 7.0 will be 7.4 after fully upgrading all packages to latest security updates etc |
| 10:04.51 | tomodachi | do you know if commercial software claims not to support 7.4 ,but support 7,3 etc? |
| 10:04.56 | tomodachi | i mean its all debian 7 in my mind |
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| 10:06.09 | SwedeMike | matuu: it's a lot easier to help you if you use that kind of language instead of saying "I can't do it".. Look at https://superuser.com/questions/406125/utility-for-extracting-mime-attachments and see if you have any of those tools. |
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| 10:06.53 | matuu | thanks a lot, i am very sorry my english is bad |
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| 10:21.28 | jmd | I want to start network services in runlevel 3 but not in runlevel 2 - I thought it would be easy, but .... |
| 10:21.49 | jmd | Has anyone else had any success with such a configuration? |
| 10:22.27 | SquirrelCZECH_ | well |
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| 10:38.53 | _jordan_ | Hello everyone, I don't understand something about usb. I'm trying to reconize an ups on a xivo IPBX whith an usb link. Lsusb do not return anything. I din't have nothing about usb when I do lspci -v and the /proc/bus/usb doesn't exist. |
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| 10:39.18 | _jordan_ | Do I need to rebuild the kenel with usb support ? |
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| 10:40.53 | jmd | _jordan_: or install the relevant module |
| 10:41.02 | triski | try with "lsusb" |
| 10:41.09 | triski | lspci -> shows pci devices |
| 10:41.15 | triski | lsusb -> shows usb devices |
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| 10:41.46 | _jordan_ | thanks triski but i said "lsusb do not return anything" |
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| 10:42.38 | triski | yep, i found soon that my answer was useless, sorry |
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| 10:44.04 | Bitcho | hi |
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| 10:45.48 | fraff | Hi all, should I use console-tools or kbd for a machine with no X ? |
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| 10:53.27 | _jordan_ | jmd: Is it the usbcore module ? How can I install that ? |
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| 10:56.46 | jmd | I thought it was packaged with the kernel. |
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| 10:59.42 | _jordan_ | so ? |
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| 11:02.15 | ChrisH | _jordan_: with my installation it is: linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64: /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/usb/core/usbcore.ko |
| 11:03.01 | ChrisH | _jordan_: what kernel package did you install? |
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| 11:08.29 | _jordan_ | ChrisH: that's a distribution bring by XIVO with linux 2.6.26-2-686. In fact, that's a debian modified for the xivo IPBX |
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| 11:09.26 | tralala | !based on debian |
| 11:09.27 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 11:09.34 | ChrisH | _jordan_: Is this a Debian Installation? I assume no, so this is the wrong place to ask. |
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| 11:10.03 | garulf | Hi guys, on my new laptop (x230) video playback is somehow bagous. I've an unstable and playing video with vlc. I'm trying to install mplayer to check if is player related but libavcodec-extra is missing as package. I've to use 3d part repository like deb-multimedia? |
| 11:10.09 | garulf | *have I |
| 11:10.12 | matuu | i had to use the save option into mailx in order to save the attachement file and then i had to use the uudecode command in order to convert the file into the right format |
| 11:10.32 | matuu | uudecode mbox for example |
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| 11:11.11 | petn-randall | garulf: I've got the same laptop, but you need to go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, where jessie/sid are supported. |
| 11:12.03 | garulf | petn-randall, thank you. Have you some related issue? like horizontal "line" |
| 11:12.21 | _jordan_ | ok ChrisH, sorry for that, thank's for you help |
| 11:12.47 | petn-randall | garulf: Let's talk about it on the other channel (I'm there, too), discussing jessie/sid here is off-topic. |
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| 11:17.08 | TomyWork | when using DHCP, what should be in my /etc/hosts? |
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| 11:17.27 | TomyWork | on a single-homed machine |
| 11:18.06 | petn-randall | TomyWork: Only loopback. |
| 11:18.38 | TomyWork | why does debian put "127.0.1.1 <host>.<domain> <host>" in there then? |
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| 11:20.01 | petn-randall | TomyWork: Debian doesn't. It puts there "127.0.0.1 host.domain host" in there. That is your loopback interface. |
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| 11:20.24 | TomyWork | well mine sure did (squeeze that is) |
| 11:20.28 | jmd | petn-randall: I certainly hope it doesn't |
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| 11:20.37 | jmd | If it does, then things will break. |
| 11:20.47 | TomyWork | that too |
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| 11:21.16 | TomyWork | cause that'll be the reverse lookup entry for 127.0.0.1 AND the forward lookup for your domain. both of which should resolve to different things |
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| 11:21.26 | ChrisH | petn-randall,TomyWork check for 127.0.1.1 there is/was a bug report on that explaing the idea behind that entry. |
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| 11:21.56 | Pingman__ | hi. anyone know of a guide that explains how to install from source? unfortunately the docs for this are very lacking: https://github.com/knopwob/dunst |
| 11:22.29 | jmd | 127.0.0.1 should *never* resolve to anything but 'localhost' |
| 11:22.40 | TomyWork | ChrisH yeah i know, but that cites DHCP as the reason, which i dont quite follow since DHCP means you get an IP and DNS from the DHCP server, right? |
| 11:23.22 | ChrisH | TomyWork: I read that a while ago and only remember that there was such an explaantion. then I deleted the line :) |
| 11:23.23 | petn-randall | jmd, TomyWork, sorry, I misread two different lines as one, it puts there "127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.(none)" AFAICS. |
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| 11:23.50 | koell | Can i open a link in terminal without holding Strg down? |
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| 11:24.45 | TomyWork | basically the machine is always connected to the same net, but has its ip assigned by dhcp anyway, so it can be managed centrally |
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| 11:26.11 | TomyWork | koell you didnt tell us which terminal you are talking about |
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| 11:26.20 | petn-randall | TomyWork: You can pin the eth0 ip to it's own name there, too, e.g. "1.2.3.4 host.domain host", but you shouldn't forget it if you ever move it to another IP address ... :) |
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| 11:26.38 | TomyWork | that's precisely my problem there :) |
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| 11:26.50 | TomyWork | it kinda removes the advantage of having everything under dhcp |
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| 11:28.08 | petn-randall | TomyWork: If the latency of DNS lookups bothers you, you can use nscd. |
| 11:28.33 | ChrisH | if you use nscd other things like caching will bother you :) |
| 11:28.46 | koell | TomyWork: xterm |
| 11:30.06 | TomyWork | petn-randall oh, are you saying it's basically useless if the DNS is always available? |
| 11:30.11 | TomyWork | (the entry) |
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| 11:31.21 | ChrisH | TomyWork: that depends on your nsswitch.conf setting. |
| 11:31.40 | TomyWork | i didnt change anything there really |
| 11:31.58 | TomyWork | i think it's hosts+dns only |
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| 11:32.41 | jelly | TomyWork: the OS wants to set up its own host and domain name at boot whether it's connected to a network or not |
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| 11:33.18 | heday | how do i perform an incremental build using dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 11:33.18 | TomyWork | the question is: why does it need a name lookup? |
| 11:33.24 | jelly | if it were a server or a machine with a static ip, the static ip could be used instead of 127.0.1.1 |
| 11:33.38 | TomyWork | heday tell it not to clean maybe? |
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| 11:33.51 | TomyWork | (-nc) |
| 11:33.56 | petn-randall | TomyWork: Well, DNS lookups are done by the program needing it themselves, so if you have 10 different programs needing to resolve yourhost.domain, you'll have to lookups. If the DNS server has a rather high latency, it will cause delays in all 10 of them. nscd can alleviate it. |
| 11:34.14 | jelly | TomyWork: various reasons. Some services fail to work properly without a fully qualified domain name set. |
| 11:34.21 | heday | TomyWork: thanks, I will try that |
| 11:34.36 | TomyWork | petn-randall you mean /etc/init.d/*? |
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| 11:34.45 | TomyWork | cause they should depend on net if they need net |
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| 11:35.11 | jelly | TomyWork: you can play with a local apache server even if you don't have net |
| 11:35.30 | TomyWork | jelly that's not relevant as it's a headless machine |
| 11:35.34 | petn-randall | TomyWork: We're talking about the lookup delay, not the "DNS is unavailable" delay. |
| 11:35.44 | jelly | TomyWork: debian does not know you have a headless machine |
| 11:35.45 | TomyWork | i cant "play with" it without having network access to it |
| 11:36.03 | jelly | TomyWork: it's a universal operating system! |
| 11:36.59 | TomyWork | my hostname is in /etc/hostname |
| 11:37.07 | TomyWork | why isnt my domain in /etc/domain? :) |
| 11:37.11 | jelly | the domain is in /etc/hosts |
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| 11:37.54 | TomyWork | and that is the problem |
| 11:37.56 | jelly | deal with it |
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| 11:38.08 | TomyWork | that this entry has two purposes |
| 11:38.19 | TomyWork | "deal with it" has never helped solve any problems |
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| 11:38.54 | themill | So perhaps propose that this be done that way. Work out how to get everything to work with this (particularly nss) |
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| 11:39.06 | themill | points at bugs.debian.org |
| 11:39.35 | jelly | TomyWork: it's how fqdn gets set up; you can't change that without customizing the boot up scripts. So in this case "deal with it", since it's a common debian infrastructure thing. |
| 11:40.03 | TomyWork | i realize that |
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| 11:40.32 | TomyWork | but i wasnt asking how it's done (i know that), butt for reasons for why it's done that way |
| 11:40.41 | TomyWork | -butt+but |
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| 11:41.20 | jelly | TomyWork: historical reasons and backward compatibility. This is how machines with static ips used to get set up. |
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| 11:41.45 | lecoeus | is there any way to get xft patched dmenu apart from compiling? |
| 11:42.08 | TomyWork | jelly are there still programs that bypass the api and read the fqdn directly from /etc/hosts? |
| 11:42.10 | jelly | the 127.0.1.1 is a workaround to let the same piece of information be stored in the same place even on machines without a static ip |
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| 11:42.38 | Kitt3n_ | lecoeus: well, if someone has made a package with the patched binaries, you can use that, if not just compile it |
| 11:42.52 | abrotman | binary delta ftw |
| 11:42.53 | jelly | TomyWork: I don't know of any. |
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| 11:43.17 | TomyWork | then backward compatibility is irrelevant |
| 11:43.21 | lecoeus | Kitt3n_: right, i was wondering if anyone actually did that |
| 11:43.39 | Kitt3n_ | lecoeus: Tried google? |
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| 11:44.01 | lecoeus | Kitt3n_: yes |
| 11:44.12 | jelly | TomyWork: patches are welcome. |
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| 11:44.24 | Kitt3n_ | lecoeus: and you found nothing? Seems you gotta compile it then |
| 11:45.19 | themill | TomyWork: btw you're trying to convince libc developers to change things here... good luck with that :) |
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| 11:46.27 | petn-randall | TomyWork: Backward compatibility is very relevant. Nobody wants to have to fix config just because some developer thought it's "better" then new way. |
| 11:46.37 | petn-randall | s/then/the/ |
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| 11:49.44 | jelly | themill: oh right, I completely forgot the actual usage of hosts(5) by the resolver |
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| 11:53.30 | vppy | Im thinking of taking a full backup of my system with tar / exculding sys dev/pts and and proc. Is this viable? |
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| 11:53.43 | jmd | vppy: Well if you have a large enough backup medium |
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| 11:54.04 | vppy | jmd: Kew, thanks |
| 11:54.08 | vppy | kewl* |
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| 11:54.25 | jmd | vppy: Also, be aware, that the filesystem will change as you are reading it... |
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| 11:54.48 | vppy | jmd: What do you mean? |
| 11:55.33 | jmd | Well to do a tar of a 60GB disk will take at least 30 mins. during that time files will change. |
| 11:55.54 | jmd | It's not fundamentally a problem, but you should be aware of this. |
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| 11:56.32 | vppy | jmd: Ah, yep. I understand |
| 11:56.43 | jmd | Personally, I backup /boot /etc /var and /home and forget the rest. |
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| 11:59.47 | vppy | jmd: I am tempted to do just that, but I have things like ISPconfig installed in /usr. |
| 11:59.49 | luist | hey guys.. is there a way to provide a link to a deb package so the user will install it and get the possible dependencies from his current sources.list repositories? |
| 12:00.37 | vppy | What about device names? dev/xvda is the current name, Do I simply rename this to sda1 when I copy over to a new vm |
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| 12:02.29 | petn-randall | luist: gdebi can do that. |
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| 12:03.37 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: ping |
| 12:04.09 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: sorry was out of internet connection yesterday..... |
| 12:04.36 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: was discussing about grub problem in Debian.... |
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| 12:06.08 | petn-randall | Welcome back Anupkumar. :) |
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| 12:06.44 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: thanks :) |
| 12:07.01 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: so what can I do now? |
| 12:07.12 | Anupkumar | for getting my laptop fixed? |
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| 12:07.51 | petn-randall | checks the lastlog |
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| 12:09.00 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: No idea, my log doesn't show up with your name in it. Did you use a different nick? |
| 12:09.36 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: it will be "anup" nickname |
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| 12:10.12 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: Ah, got it. You had issues booting into grub. So you changed the boot order in the UEFI, and it didn't have any effect? |
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| 12:10.26 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: yeah |
| 12:10.28 | vppy | jmd: What about device names? dev/xvda is the current name, Do I simply rename this to sda1 when I copy over to a new vm |
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| 12:11.05 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: What happens if you disable all boot options except grub? |
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| 12:11.37 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: it is logging only to Debian not to windows |
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| 12:12.49 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: So booting through grub *does* work? What is the problem again? |
| 12:12.53 | jmd | vppy: What are you trying to do? |
| 12:14.05 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: problem is that I need to go to BIOS options each and every time and from there I need to access Debian unlike Ubuntu and other distro's |
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| 12:15.32 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: Oh I see. Then just edit /etc/default/grub and set 'GRUB_TIMEOUT=5'. After that run 'update-grub' and you should be set. |
| 12:15.49 | vppy | jmd My VM is currently on xen. Say if i had to restore to KVM or a physical machine. I would have the tar of the system |
| 12:16.28 | jmd | So you want to make a tar of / |
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| 12:17.04 | k5673 | vppy: You can use LVM snapshots to make your backup. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/snapshots_backup.html |
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| 12:17.36 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: I did it already but then also it is the same problem |
| 12:17.44 | Anupkumar | I tried it yesterday |
| 12:17.49 | jmd | You could do "tar -cf /dev/xxx /" |
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| 12:18.08 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: You changed the grub timeout and it still doesn't display a menu? |
| 12:18.22 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: yes |
| 12:18.39 | jmd | like k5673 says, if you take a lvm snapshot, you will avoid the atomicity issue which I mentioned earlier. |
| 12:19.10 | vppy | k5673: Thanks |
| 12:19.21 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: Then I'm out of ideas. |
| 12:19.43 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: no prob.....thanks any ways |
| 12:19.54 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: Can you paste your full /etc/default/grub? → http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:20.12 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: by the way are you a debian developer? |
| 12:20.20 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: sure |
| 12:20.33 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: No, I'm not. |
| 12:21.06 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/81649/ |
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| 12:21.54 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: And you're running Debian wheezy? |
| 12:22.12 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: yes |
| 12:22.27 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: And you boot both Debian and Windows in UEFI mode? |
| 12:22.29 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: I mentioned it earlier |
| 12:23.02 | Anupkumar | not in UEFI mode......in LEGACY mode |
| 12:23.11 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: ^ |
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| 12:23.34 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: I see, but both are booted in legacy mode then? |
| 12:24.00 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: yes |
| 12:24.48 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: one more problem is there for my system |
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| 12:25.16 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: What is it? |
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| 12:25.24 | petn-randall | doesn't like surprises. |
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| 12:25.53 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: I got a ATI radeon 7670m HD graphic card for my system.....I am unable to install the propitiatory drivers of that.... |
| 12:26.10 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: the laptop is boiling like hell |
| 12:26.44 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: One after the other. Can you paste the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg? |
| 12:27.06 | Anupkumar | ok |
| 12:27.58 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/81655/ |
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| 12:28.19 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: Wait, how are you changing boot order in legacy mode?? Are the two OS installed on different disks? |
| 12:28.45 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: I parted the hard-disk |
| 12:28.56 | Anupkumar | and after that I installed it |
| 12:29.14 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: Sure, but there can only be one bootloader per disk, so how are you picking them from the BIOS? |
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| 12:29.48 | jmd | petn-randall: That's not correct. I have two bootloaders on my laptop. |
| 12:30.21 | petn-randall | jmd: With a legacy BIOS? |
| 12:30.40 | jmd | No not really. |
| 12:30.42 | petn-randall | jmd: Without chainloading them, side by side, choosable from the BIOS boot menu? |
| 12:30.55 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: In the BIOS I will be selecting "NOTEBOOK HARD DRIVE" then it will boot into Debian |
| 12:31.21 | jmd | I have them chainloaded. I could have them chooseable from the BIOS I suppose. |
| 12:32.07 | jmd | Although, in that configuation, the BIOS would arguably be behaving as a bootloader. |
| 12:32.08 | petn-randall | jmd: Sure, I have that too, with UEFI. But with a legacy BIOS this isn't technically possible, unless I really missed out on a lot of things. |
| 12:32.36 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: And what are you picking when you start Windows? |
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| 12:32.59 | jmd | Well I dunno exactly what you mean by legacy bios, but yeah, perhaps with some bioses it might not be possible. |
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| 12:33.30 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: When I power on it will automatically boot into Windows |
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| 12:34.28 | petn-randall | jmd: Legacy BIOS = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS. The thing that existed before UEFI. It just read the first sector from the disk and booted that. Which is why you could only select on the "which disk" level where to boot from. |
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| 12:35.25 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: I suspect that you've got Windows installed in UEFI mode (since that boots straight into it past the legacy boot loader), and Debian installed in legacy mode. You have to migrate your Debian system to UEFI, which isn't that trivial. |
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| 12:36.05 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: The windows which I got is pre-installed one |
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| 12:37.10 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: Your grub couldn't detect the Windows installation because it was started in legacy mode, and Windows is installed in UEFI mode. |
| 12:37.30 | Anupkumar | so what should I do now? |
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| 12:38.47 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: but it will detect if the do the same installation with Ubuntu 13.04 |
| 12:39.04 | Anupkumar | I mean if I install Ubuntu 13.04 |
| 12:39.13 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: You probably installed Ubuntu in UEFI mode, and Debian in legacy mode. |
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| 12:40.41 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: If it's a fresh install, just disable *all* legacy options in Your UEFI and boot from the netinstaller and install again. |
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| 12:40.52 | void-soul | someone already configured xterm to scroll down when I press a key? |
| 12:41.03 | petn-randall | !someone |
| 12:41.03 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 12:41.57 | jmd | petn-randall: What was that for? |
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| 12:42.42 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: So u mean to do the installation again disabling the Legacy mode in the boot options? |
| 12:43.12 | petn-randall | Anupkumar: Yes, it's the easiest way. |
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| 12:46.00 | toddel | hi, does anyone know any event recorder (mouse, keyboard) for qt/gtk toolkits? |
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| 12:46.16 | toddel | so, that i can replay (and maybe even modify it)? |
| 12:46.31 | jmd | xness |
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| 12:49.41 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: but I have installed so many source codes already |
| 12:50.04 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: I will try my luck out next time.. |
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| 12:50.21 | Anupkumar | petn-randall: what about the next problem...graphic driver? |
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| 12:52.20 | abailarri | Hello. I hava a virtualhost for a web and a subdomain on it. I want to apply HTTPS connection but only for a one subdomain. I tried some combinationes but any works. Anyone can help me please? |
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| 12:55.26 | pav5088 | themill, it seems Benoit has been working on the FAI stuff... and it may actually be working already. |
| 12:55.43 | themill | cool |
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| 12:55.58 | jmd | abailarri: You should ask on #apache (or the channel appropriate to whatever webserver you are using) |
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| 12:56.54 | pav5088 | themill, unfortunately I'm stuck with this TLS encryption issue between OpenLDAP and isc-dhcp-server. :-/ |
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| 12:58.16 | themill | pav5088: is this for FAI or for after the installation? |
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| 13:01.13 | pav5088 | themill, this is for communication between LDAP and dhcpd... It's probably not required, but I didn't want to document an ldap installation that sends data in the clear (like just about every howto already out there). |
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| 13:02.15 | pav5088 | themill, It seems noone uses TLS + certs... although the better option would be Kerberos... although I'm not sure all services are compatible. |
| 13:02.25 | pav5088 | eg. Argonaut |
| 13:02.28 | themill | pav5088: the dhcp server is trivial to backport yourself so you could make the backport from jessie (or wasn't there a patch that could be backported?) yourself and try it out. That's a useful data point for others in any case |
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| 13:04.04 | pav5088 | themill, I saw C libs etc... and was a bit intimidated. I thought it might pull in 100 libraries, some of which would be incompatible with what was already installed. |
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| 13:04.39 | themill | pav5088: not install the binary package from jessie, recompile it and install the backport |
| 13:04.41 | themill | dpkg: tell pav5088 about ssb |
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| 13:15.15 | lorenzo | hi! |
| 13:15.31 | lorenzo | do I need fakeraid to access disks under a GeForce 7050 raid controller? |
| 13:15.49 | SirLagz | lorenzo: depends on if you have the raid controller setup as RAID or not |
| 13:15.59 | lorenzo | I've set it up in mirroring |
| 13:16.06 | lorenzo | with two disks |
| 13:16.19 | SirLagz | do you see both disks as separate disks ? or do you only see one disk ? |
| 13:16.20 | lorenzo | but debian is seeing two separate drives, as if the raid didn't exist |
| 13:16.29 | lorenzo | so I think some driver is missing |
| 13:17.01 | SirLagz | lorenzo: if you want to use RAID on a Motherboard RAID Controller, use md instead. |
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| 13:17.14 | SirLagz | rather than using the motherboards raid configuration |
| 13:17.23 | SirLagz | it'll be less hassle and more reliable IMO |
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| 13:17.33 | lorenzo | that is software raid right? |
| 13:17.36 | SirLagz | yes |
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| 13:17.44 | iShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 13:17.46 | lorenzo | think it can handle 320GB with dual core, 4 GB ram? |
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| 13:18.02 | iShapeShifter499 | is there a debian arm channel? |
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| 13:18.13 | SirLagz | lorenzo: easily |
| 13:18.27 | SirLagz | lorenzo: my pentium 3 handled it fine :P |
| 13:18.33 | SirLagz | anyway, bbl. |
| 13:18.34 | lorenzo | :P ok I'll check that out thanks |
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| 13:32.23 | Xuisce1 | hi all |
| 13:32.37 | Rubas | hi :) |
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| 13:34.49 | pav5088 | themill, :-/ unfortunately it looks like the latest version has the same issue |
| 13:35.14 | pav5088 | /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf line 113: semicolon expected. |
| 13:35.14 | pav5088 | ldap-tls-crlfile "/etc/ssl/crl/ssl-cert-local-ca.crl" |
| 13:35.40 | pav5088 | This is similar to previous issues with parsing the dhcpd.conf file. |
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| 13:36.45 | themill | pav5088: I assume adding a ; to the end of the line doesn't solve that |
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| 13:37.41 | pav5088 | themill, that's a negative unfortunately... |
| 13:37.44 | pav5088 | ldap-tls-ca-file "/etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-local-ca.pem"; |
| 13:37.44 | pav5088 | ldap-tls-crlfile "/etc/ssl/crl/ssl-cert-local-ca.crl"; |
| 13:37.44 | pav5088 | ldap-tls-cert "/root/.pki/dhcpd.pem"; |
| 13:37.58 | pav5088 | This is the relevant snippet of config |
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| 13:39.09 | themill | this doesn't appear to be in the bts |
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| 13:40.49 | pav5088 | themill, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=723773 |
| 13:40.49 | pav5088 | for some reason even though I'm using an identical version number .... the bts says it's a "different branch" |
| 13:41.01 | pav5088 | As far as I remember I just used the beginner defaults to report the issue |
| 13:41.11 | pav5088 | (using the bug reporting tool) |
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| 13:47.25 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell Anupkumar about fglrx |
| 13:48.05 | petn-randall | lorenzo: The one in your motherboard RAID controller is software RAID, too. Normally the windows drivers just does the job. :) |
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| 13:48.58 | petn-randall | lorenzo: Which is why it's better to use MDADM straight away since it's just as "slow", but far more tested and it's compatible with other hardware. |
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| 13:50.06 | abrotman | Not sure I'd always agree with that sentiment .. |
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| 13:50.46 | petn-randall | abrotman: Which one? |
| 13:51.03 | abrotman | petn-randall: better to use mdadm straight away .. |
| 13:51.29 | abrotman | It's certainly better than trying to muck with fakeraid, or even less expensive hwraid |
| 13:52.24 | lorenzo | I see |
| 13:52.40 | petn-randall | abrotman: How is fakeraid better than mdadm? |
| 13:52.46 | lorenzo | maybe just getting a proper raid card would fix it |
| 13:52.54 | abrotman | petn-randall: that's not what I said, read again :) |
| 13:53.32 | abrotman | lorenzo: That's one option if you truly want/need hwraid |
| 13:53.59 | lorenzo | but there are so many cards out there |
| 13:54.03 | lorenzo | not sure which is compatible with what |
| 13:54.16 | petn-randall | abrotman: Well, preference would be mdadm > HW raid > software RAID, not sure what you're saying. |
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| 13:54.27 | petn-randall | *my |
| 13:54.46 | Xuisce1 | hello |
| 13:54.49 | Xuisce1 | LordDeath: |
| 13:54.51 | abrotman | petn-randall: As I said, I'd not always agree with that .. hwraid is pretty nice for some controllers .. It really depends on your usage patterns |
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| 13:54.54 | Xuisce1 | LordShiva: |
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| 13:54.58 | abrotman | Xuisce1: hello? |
| 13:54.59 | petn-randall | You can always use a HW RAID controller with lots of writeback cache, and you'll probably achieve close to the same speeds of a true HW RAID. |
| 13:55.43 | Xuisce1 | hm |
| 13:55.48 | petn-randall | abrotman: Oh, I see. I think there was a misunderstanding. I thought you were saying fakeraid is better than mdadm. |
| 13:55.58 | abrotman | Uh, hell no? |
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| 13:56.35 | abrotman | petn-randall: fakeraid can burn in hell :) |
| 13:57.23 | petn-randall | abrotman: Glad we settled that dispute :D |
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| 13:58.16 | pav5088 | themill, can you see that bug? Was it listed correctly? |
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| 13:59.27 | abrotman | petn-randall: it wasn't a dispute for me :) |
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| 14:07.41 | themill | pav5088: looks fine to me |
| 14:08.23 | pav5088 | themill, how do I update it to say it relates to the Jessie version also? |
| 14:08.38 | themill | that should be implicit |
| 14:08.56 | themill | if it's not fixed, it still applies |
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| 14:11.32 | petn-randall | abrotman: "dispute" |
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| 14:42.39 | adkins1 | hello, i got a Thinkpad T530 with nvidia5400m nvs and want tripple-head like described here: http://zachstechnotes.blogspot.de/2012/01/tri-head-display-on-linux-thinkpad-w520.html . ich benutze exakt die selbe xorg.conf wie der author: https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcz258bjbfl8ik/xorg.conf.triple.txt aber mein internes display und der vga monitor zeigen das selbe Bild (geklont). weiss jemand wieso? |
| 14:42.42 | adkins1 | sorry |
| 14:42.48 | adkins1 | ignore this |
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| 14:43.55 | adkins1 | hello, i got a Thinkpad T530 with nvidia5400m nvs and want tripple-head like described here: http://zachstechnotes.blogspot.de/2012/01/tri-head-display-on-linux-thinkpad-w520.html . i`m using an xorg.conf exactly as the author described: https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcz258bjbfl8ik/xorg.conf.triple.txt but my internal and my vga-external display show the same picture (cloned). does anyone know why? |
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| 14:46.42 | n8w| | hey |
| 14:46.44 | n8w| | guys do u know how to overcome the issue with hard links(file is hardlinked 1 time(s), skipping!) while usin srm? |
| 14:47.45 | petn-randall | adkins1: I'm assuming you already asked in #debian-de. Did you wait for an answer there before asking here? It's not good if people debug in two different channels because work is duplicated. |
| 14:49.06 | adkins1 | petn-randall: sorry, never thought of that, very sorry, i`ll avoid this in the future |
| 14:49.30 | Rug | I need a quick bit of help, can anybody successfully ping 50.115.176.70 for me or does it time-out? |
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| 14:51.51 | jmd | Rug: pings ok for me. |
| 14:52.20 | Rug | jmd: thanks |
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| 14:53.16 | cardiel | is there anyway to install mutt w/o all deps? i tried with no-install-recommends but it didnt do much |
| 14:53.28 | Rug | awesome thanks |
| 14:53.31 | bhuddah | why would you want to do that, cardiel ? |
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| 14:53.38 | jmd | cardiel: Why don't you ask on #mutt |
| 14:53.40 | Rug | =) wrong window |
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| 14:57.07 | Bugson | guys I'm trying to launch bind9, when I set bind9 ip address as my dns from my ps it does work |
| 14:57.34 | Bugson | if I'm trying to resolve domain on server which is running bind9 then it doesn't work |
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| 14:57.46 | Bugson | any idea what might be the issue? |
| 14:58.36 | Bugson | in my resolve.conf I've got 127.0.0.1 |
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| 14:59.32 | cardiel | jmd: i what to install binary debian package , not compile from source.. |
| 14:59.42 | cardiel | want i meant |
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| 14:59.56 | jmd | cardiel: Well then, the answer to your question then is "no". |
| 15:00.02 | Bugson | damn I didn't put 127.0.0.1 to listen-on section ;) |
| 15:00.09 | Bugson | nvm |
| 15:00.49 | cardiel | jmd: ok |
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| 15:01.05 | mns | cardiel: apt-get install mutt will install the binary package, and the libraries it depends on. most of mutt's dependencies have to do with curses, gpg, tls, and *dbm type databases. |
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| 15:02.05 | cardiel | mns: yes i know, but there are x11 dependencies i don't want to install since this is a server |
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| 15:03.37 | jmd | cardiel: Why would that be a problem? |
| 15:04.13 | cardiel | jmd: that's no problem , i don't want to install much since my hd space is limited on this VPS. |
| 15:04.23 | mns | cardiel: I dont see anything in there that is a X11 based for the dependencies. Are you sure you're not installing reccommends as well ? |
| 15:04.43 | cardiel | mns: apt-get --no-install-recommends install mutt |
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| 15:07.10 | cardiel | mns: 62 newly installed packages.. for mutt? ,, |
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| 15:09.59 | mns | cardiel: what debian release are you using ? I did an apt-cache depends mutt and I don't see anything that is X11 related being pulled down. which library does it say it will pull down ? |
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| 15:10.46 | ||arifaX_ | is there a way to start a command or service after a request on a specific port? Want to shutdown radius server1 if server2 gets a single radius request (server 2 radius daemon is down) and bring server 2 up |
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| 15:11.28 | petn-randall | adkins1: No problem. If you don't get any answer, it's ok to ask somewhere else. But just make sure that enough time has passed to be sure that nobody will answer in the first channel. |
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| 15:12.03 | que1 | hey guys, do you know BlueGriffon? I already managed to compile it, which was a major PITA, since it depends on mozilla-central. Anyway, I'd like to create a .deb out of it, but it wasn't compiled in a regular way. Are any of you familiar with mozilla-central-like compilation and post packaging? Can you please give me some pointers to what should I read or do? |
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| 15:12.24 | adkins1 | petn-randall: thx |
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| 15:13.30 | mns | cardiel: you might want to try aptitude --show-deps install mutt and it will tell you why its installing some of the other packages. |
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| 15:15.21 | mepl | Where can I see ssh logs? |
| 15:15.33 | ||arifaX | que1: maybe look at this page http://wayneboyd.com/forums/index.php?topic=20.0 and unpack their package to verify how they did it? |
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| 15:16.15 | Cylta | hi. I updated wine to 1.6.* and now it answers "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/wine32: could not open" on any request. should I restart or do something else? |
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| 15:19.08 | ||arifaX | Cylta: Google is your friend: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=733727 a symlink should fix it! |
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| 15:20.08 | Cylta | ok, thanks, and how to make symlink? something like "ln /usr/bin/wine32 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/bin/"? |
| 15:20.22 | que1 | thanks ||arifaX but this isn't a reliable way. Anyway I'll keep fiddling and see if I can figure it out |
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| 15:21.04 | Mikaela | mepl: I think that they are in /var/log/auth.log, grep for SSH |
| 15:21.18 | Xuisce1 | hi que1 Mikaela |
| 15:21.19 | Xuisce1 | :) |
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| 15:22.52 | que1 | hi Xuisce1 |
| 15:23.20 | babilen | Cylta: That shouldn't be necessary ... and you probably want a symbolic link (-s) rather than a hardlink |
| 15:24.38 | Xuisce1 | hm |
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| 15:25.35 | Cylta | babilen: it says that that file already exist (to where I'm trying to make softlink) |
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| 15:26.01 | babilen | Cylta: What are you actually trying to achieve? What's the problem you are having? |
| 15:26.24 | Cylta | can't open wine, looks like it has different name or place now (after updating to 1.6) |
| 15:26.25 | babilen | Cylta: And links are "ln -s target name" |
| 15:26.51 | babilen | Cylta: You are tracking testing or unstable? |
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| 15:29.05 | iShapeShifter499 | Where are kernel headers located in Debian? |
| 15:29.39 | lotherk | iShapeShifter499: you have to install them first |
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| 15:29.59 | iShapeShifter499 | lotherk: yes but where would they be? |
| 15:30.04 | lotherk | in /usr/src/ |
| 15:30.16 | iShapeShifter499 | lotherk: thank you |
| 15:30.27 | babilen | iShapeShifter499: You can always use "dpkg -L PKG" to see which files belong to that package |
| 15:30.43 | Cylta | anyway, that is the solution(workaround), if somebody is interested sudo ln -s /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/wine.bin /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/wine32 - does return link to 1.4 version |
| 15:30.43 | lotherk | iShapeShifter499: you're welcome :) |
| 15:31.17 | sharefree | how to nack your /home |
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| 15:31.21 | sharefree | backup* |
| 15:31.27 | Imbue | is it usual that the primary cdimage server has less than a mirror? |
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| 15:31.47 | sharefree | I want encryption + compressed file ( single ) also something that would support daily updates |
| 15:31.48 | Imbue | i'm wondering if 7.4 images are still propagating or if the mirrors have all they're expecting to have |
| 15:32.11 | babilen | sharefree: I like and use dirvish, but it hasn't seen a new release in a while. I didn't like rsnapshot, but there are plenty of other backup tools. |
| 15:32.40 | babilen | Imbue: I think I heard that 7.4 only hit Australian mirrors this morning (packages, not images) |
| 15:32.45 | sharefree | dirvish ? babilen link ? |
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| 15:33.00 | babilen | sharefree: http://www.dirvish.org/ |
| 15:33.03 | lotherk | google? :) |
| 15:33.19 | Imbue | babilen: hmm, okay. I am finding it a bit odd that cdimage.debian.org has only CD1/2/3 and some other mirrors have 10 for example |
| 15:33.59 | babilen | lotherk: People doing work themselves? What a novel and horribly naïve idea! ;) |
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| 15:35.05 | lotherk | babilen: :D |
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| 15:37.40 | Imbue | the cd images do not include non-free, right? |
| 15:37.57 | Mikaela | As far as I know they don't. |
| 15:38.05 | Mikaela | And the default sources.list contains only "main" |
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| 15:38.18 | babilen | Imbue: No, they do not. |
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| 15:39.05 | Imbue | hmm, okay. is it possible to download packages individually in such a way that apt will still be able to reconcile that with a repository later on? |
| 15:39.13 | Imbue | for example; wifi driver is nonfree |
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| 15:39.32 | Imbue | i am unsure if dpkg -i will 'hide' the package from apt later on and prevent it from finding updates and such |
| 15:40.26 | babilen | Imbue: It will not, but you won't get any upgrades if you don't have the repository configured from which you would download it |
| 15:40.36 | Imbue | okay, this is fine. |
| 15:40.42 | babilen | Imbue: And, at that point, you can just install it directly from there anyway. |
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| 15:41.05 | Imbue | indeed |
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| 15:43.15 | bt6 | For some reason, some programs such as XChat are crashing randomly. Here is the error I get: http://pastebin.com/7sy8yV4W Can anyone help? |
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| 16:05.11 | Cylta | how to completely remove everything that does anyhow related to wine? |
| 16:05.16 | Cylta | purge does not do it. |
| 16:05.40 | mtn | Cylta: you have a .wine folder in your home folder you need to remove |
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| 16:06.14 | Cylta | no, I mean wine itself, not personal data. there was version 1.4 and it's still there by --version key. |
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| 16:06.42 | mtn | Cylta: did you manually install it? |
| 16:06.45 | Cylta | and it did break directx after upgrade too and I can't restore it.. |
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| 16:06.59 | Cylta | I just done sudo apt-get install wine and it upgraded it |
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| 16:07.54 | babilen | Cylta: What does "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*wine*'" and "whereis wine" give you? |
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| 16:14.46 | Cylta | babilen: more than half of them are for 1.4-1.4 version, like libwine, wine-bin, etc |
| 16:14.56 | Cylta | should I delete them manually? |
| 16:15.28 | babilen | Cylta: Could you paste the output of those commands to http://paste.debian.net, include the output of "apt-cache policy" and give us the link? |
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| 16:16.11 | Cylta | there are some experimental and unstable repos |
| 16:16.54 | Cylta | should I remore all unstable\experimental repos? |
| 16:17.00 | mtn | of course there are :P |
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| 16:17.06 | babilen | Cylta: Please leave it in the channel so others can play along and object if I give bad advice (or take over if I have to run) |
| 16:17.17 | Cylta | http://paste.debian.net/81701/ |
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| 16:18.16 | babilen | Cylta: Okay, where is the "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*wine*'" and "whereis wine" output? And please note that testing/unstable are typically supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:19.33 | Cylta | http://paste.debian.net/81702/ |
| 16:19.34 | NiLon | an objection! the evidence lacks testimony as to its authenticity or source |
| 16:19.46 | NiLon | sorry, had to :D |
| 16:20.14 | Cylta | can jessie support wine 1.6? |
| 16:20.30 | jelly | Cylta: can it? |
| 16:20.33 | jelly | ,v wine |
| 16:20.34 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-6; sid: 1.6.2-6 |
| 16:20.40 | jelly | Cylta: it's already there. |
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| 16:21.01 | Cylta | okay, good. then I think I should remove all unstable\experimental repos.. |
| 16:21.06 | babilen | Cylta: So, wine:i386 is still installed ... Didn't you say that you removed it? |
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| 16:21.27 | Cylta | sudo apt-get remove wine was done |
| 16:21.39 | Cylta | but it does remove 100kb of data and that's all |
| 16:22.07 | Cylta | probably just the name of package, without all of it content and relevant packages.. |
| 16:22.10 | Kitt3n | Is there an easy way to add a user account to the sudoers file so they can use sudo? |
| 16:22.20 | babilen | Cylta: Well, I am referring to the i386 package |
| 16:22.40 | babilen | Cylta: That is wine:i386 wine-bin:i386 ... (and so on) |
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| 16:22.50 | Cylta | I don't know how to specify version of the package to be deleted.. |
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| 16:23.01 | petn-randall | Kitt3n: You can simply add the user to the 'sudo' group. |
| 16:23.21 | babilen | Cylta: You don't want to specify the version but the architecture (as exemplified above) |
| 16:23.22 | Kitt3n | petn-randall, thought I did that, maybe I forgot to, on the second install |
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| 16:24.00 | babilen | Kitt3n: fwiw, "adduser FOO sudo" (in case you don't know) |
| 16:24.19 | petn-randall | Kitt3n: The user needs to log out for it to take effect. |
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| 16:24.40 | nkuttler | Kitt3n: or run newgrp |
| 16:24.58 | babilen | nkuttler: Hard to get right |
| 16:25.05 | nkuttler | babilen: how so? |
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| 16:26.07 | darksider3 | Hey, is there an way to find out, where a daemon was startet? Have here urxvtd tripple running, and dont know why.. O_o |
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| 16:26.50 | babilen | nkuttler: Well, you typically want to switch back to your primary group and you have to figure out if you want "-" or not. It's not rocket science, but still |
| 16:27.03 | jelly | Cylta: you'll possibly want to purge all the packages build from wine source, something like aptitude purge '?source-package(wine)' |
| 16:27.33 | petn-randall | darksider3: You can use 'pstree' to check what process started it. |
| 16:27.41 | babilen | nkuttler: "newgrp also tries to add the group to the user groupset." you are essentially running it for that side-effect, but want to undo it's primary effect |
| 16:27.56 | nkuttler | babilen: interesting |
| 16:27.56 | Cylta | they are from debin server.. I don't want to purge all packages =) I will just update all packages that does contain in wine metapackage manually. |
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| 16:29.31 | darksider3 | K, thank's petn-randall |
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| 16:29.42 | babilen | nkuttler: Hence my comment .. not that there is anything wrong with newgrp, but in most cases a "simple" relogin is typically easier for the user |
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| 16:29.51 | Cylta | okay, now I upgraded all wine packages manually, but old wineserver is still alive somewhere. how to stop it? |
| 16:30.01 | petn-randall | darksider3: You're welcome |
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| 16:31.29 | colonolGron | does debian use automatically gpt or do i have to go into advanced options? |
| 16:31.29 | darksider3 | petn-randall: Worked. Nice trick/tipp/command :) |
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| 16:33.35 | petn-randall | colonolGron: IIRC, GPT is used by default, but don't quote me on this. |
| 16:33.46 | colonolGron | petn-randall: thanks |
| 16:33.54 | colonolGron | and also grub2 as standard? |
| 16:34.10 | colonolGron | i am asking because i would like to install debian on macbook pro retina, which uses uefi |
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| 16:34.36 | petn-randall | colonolGron: Yes. UEFI is supported, and GPT is surely the default on UEFI (checked that), and probably also on BIOS installations. |
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| 16:34.58 | colonolGron | perfect :) thanks petn-randall |
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| 16:35.31 | colonolGron | so i suppose installing debian on that macbook isnt any different than on any other machine. i had my doubts first, since i read some blog posts and people did so much tweaking and stuff |
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| 16:35.42 | petn-randall | colonolGron: You're welcome :) |
| 16:36.09 | petn-randall | colonolGron: Don't have a macbook, but I assume that most of the hardware runs without a hitch. |
| 16:36.33 | colonolGron | great! |
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| 16:46.50 | Asmooh | is that unlimited? |
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| 16:47.43 | constl | I have a net install of stable debian and tried installing gnome-core for some basic GUI. I'm not sure how to start Gnome though since startx doesn't work |
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| 16:47.59 | Asmooh | type gdm3?:) |
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| 16:48.46 | jelly | Asmooh: if anything, you'll probably be limited with the number of ttys that can be opened |
| 16:49.02 | Asmooh | hmm |
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| 16:56.54 | Cylta | how to install "direct3d" on wine? |
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| 16:57.11 | Cylta | or drivers? (should I install drovers on linux and on wine in it?) |
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| 16:57.35 | mtn | Cylta: Wine support is at #winehq on the freenode server and http://www.winehq.org/ |
| 16:57.49 | Cylta | ok, thanks |
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| 17:14.45 | AlexPortable | how do i do this? |
| 17:14.55 | brguy | redondo: try google, first result |
| 17:15.40 | redondo | I tried buddy, but does not found it, i'll try it again. |
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| 17:16.35 | AlexPortable | chmod 444 ? |
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| 17:17.36 | redondo | brguy, sorry, didn't get it. |
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| 17:20.45 | brguy | redondo: try googling for: "how to open .pp files (post-processing file format) debian" |
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| 17:21.28 | brguy | redondo: or try googling for: "how to open .pp files (post-processing file format)" |
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| 17:22.26 | AlexPortable | anyone? |
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| 17:24.32 | redondo | brguy, this is the first result (it does not look good): http://digital-photography-school.com/processing-raw-files-in-adobe-lightroom |
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| 17:31.01 | redondo | brguy, no debian suggestions foundes in (my) google's search results? That's why I'm asking here. |
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| 17:39.31 | Cylta | hi. how to update nvidia drivers to latest one? |
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| 17:40.42 | stmiller | wheezy-backports has a newer nvidia driver http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/nvidia-driver |
| 17:40.45 | babilen | Cylta: Follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and note that 319.82-1~bpo70+1 is in wheezy-backports. (So you would install the kernel headers first and *then* run "aptitude -t wheezy-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms") |
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| 17:41.26 | babilen | Cylta: Ask the bot about <backports> and <wheezy-backports> by sending it a private message with, say, "/msg dpkg backports" |
| 17:41.43 | Cylta | okay, thanks! |
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| 18:09.55 | AlexPortable | anyone? |
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| 18:11.47 | darksider3 | AlexPortable: ? |
| 18:12.08 | AlexPortable | my question: How can I make an user not possible to change a folder name, but to have full control of what's inside the folder? |
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| 18:13.12 | abrotman | that's called a chroot or jail |
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| 18:13.14 | linux|newb | anyone seen this error: "exportfs: /etc/exports:1: unknown keyword "nosuid"" when starting nfs server, before? |
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| 18:13.39 | abrotman | it tells you where the error is and the problem |
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| 18:14.34 | linux|newb | ;) |
| 18:14.43 | linux|newb | by name and nature - thank you |
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| 18:15.41 | anto | Thinking about making a Jessie VM. |
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| 18:17.04 | Mongo44 | All I have to do is change wheezy in the sources list to jessie and I don't need bacports right? |
| 18:17.11 | Roland- | hello there, is there some web interface for asterisk package for debian ? |
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| 18:17.30 | darksider3 | AlexPortable: chmod 744 yourDirectory, i guess. Dont qoute me on that x) |
| 18:17.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Mongo44 about wheezy->jessie |
| 18:18.13 | abrotman | darksider3: that's not even close to what he's asking .. wtf |
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| 18:18.43 | darksider3 | abrotman: He asked, how he can deny folder-changes i think? |
| 18:18.46 | abrotman | oh .. wait .. |
| 18:18.49 | abrotman | I misread |
| 18:18.53 | abrotman | darksider3: my apologies |
| 18:19.11 | abrotman | Though your answer still won't work |
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| 18:19.40 | phox | alright got a fun one going on here, -no- idea what's up: I have a bunch of NFS exports on one machine, and two that mount some or all of them. after rebooting for something else (more or less, only noticed it now and the reboot was a day or two ago) it "mounts" on the clients but appears empty. fstab and exports appear to be -identical- to other mounts that are working -fine-. the only thing I haven't done here is actually reboot the machines. a |
| 18:19.51 | darksider3 | abrotman: ... :D |
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| 18:20.18 | Mongo44 | I remove the updates line. That means I can't get packaged updates? |
| 18:20.55 | abrotman | no, that isn't what it means |
| 18:21.17 | brguy | redondo: didn't you find? |
| 18:21.22 | darksider3 | btw so long he dont do that Recursive INTO the Folder, all good.. |
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| 18:21.47 | brguy | redondo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_image_format#Free_and_open_source_software |
| 18:22.02 | brguy | redondo: http://geuz.org/gmsh/ |
| 18:22.31 | brguy | that is what I found on google... I don't know how you searched for that |
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| 18:23.49 | Mongo44 | The new VM will have 15 GB memory and 3 GB RAM. |
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| 18:24.36 | abrotman | Memory and RAM! |
| 18:24.42 | mtn | heh |
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| 18:26.11 | Mongo44 | How until until I have to upgrade to version 8? |
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| 18:26.47 | babilen | Mongo44: long? |
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| 18:27.16 | Mongo44 | Yeah typo there. |
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| 18:27.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell Mongo44 -about jessie pool |
| 18:28.18 | babilen | Mongo44: Take our bets + 1 year, but then nobody knows when jessie will be released |
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| 18:29.23 | centrx | Mongo44, I would estimate sometime between March 2015 and July 2015 |
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| 18:30.07 | abrotman | really? March? |
| 18:30.17 | babilen | Mongo44: That's way too early and would mean that we release before the freeze ... it'll be *at least* November 5th, 2016 before you *have* to upgrade |
| 18:30.40 | babilen | err, centrx ^^ |
| 18:30.52 | abrotman | the free is Nov '14 |
| 18:30.57 | babilen | You can, naturally, upgrade earlier at your convenience (but you could do that now already) |
| 18:31.07 | abrotman | oh, upgrade .. nm |
| 18:31.10 | Mongo44 | Cool gives me over a year and a half. |
| 18:31.13 | abrotman | goes back to making things break |
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| 18:31.21 | babilen | abrotman: yeah, off by one year :) |
| 18:31.29 | adkins1 | i hope noone is mad at me becaause of pasting it again ;/ |
| 18:31.31 | adkins1 | hello, i got a Thinkpad T530 with nvidia5400m nvs and want tripple-head like described here: http://zachstechnotes.blogspot.de/2012/01/tri-head-display-on-linux-thinkpad-w520.html . i`m using an xorg.conf exactly as the author described: https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcz258bjbfl8ik/xorg.conf.triple.txt but my internal and my vga-external display show the same picture (cloned). does anyone know why? |
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| 18:32.32 | babilen | Is Xinerama still a thing? |
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| 18:33.11 | adkins1 | babilen: are you talking to me? |
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| 18:33.16 | Mongo44 | Ubuntu-based OS VM's don't seem to work. They have screen resolution problems. I guess I will just stick with Debian. |
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| 18:33.50 | Mongo44 | Maybe I can try Haiku or something. |
| 18:34.11 | babilen | adkins1: Looks like an old way, I'd test it without a config but the essential you need to get the nvidia driver loaded (cf. https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration) and then play with xrandr before you "codify" that into a configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d -- See https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/multihead#RandR for some examples |
| 18:34.34 | babilen | adkins1: Well, it was rather a general question. I was under the impression that Xinerama is obsolete. |
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| 18:35.27 | babilen | adkins1: And Debian typically endorses the .d scheme in the sense that you create small and to the point configuration files in, say, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d rather than using one huge xorg.conf file |
| 18:35.52 | adkins1 | babilen: actually i didnt want xorg.conf but had no luck with xrandr........... |
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| 18:36.05 | babilen | adkins1: Luck shouldn't factor into it. |
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| 18:36.42 | babilen | adkins1: That being said: I never played with a triple screen setup as I am happily using just two ;) |
| 18:37.19 | babilen | adkins1: Well, if you could tell us about your problems with xrandr we might be able to sort you out. |
| 18:37.47 | adkins1 | babilen: i could live with 2 too but 3 would be awesome and since it is possible with win7 i want it to work with debian ;( |
| 18:37.48 | Mongo44 | If I downloaded the Intel driver to my host Wheezy would the resolution on my Lubuntu VM work? |
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| 18:38.19 | adkins1 | babilen: i need somehow to load nvidia + intel driver and without xorg.conf i dont know how |
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| 18:39.22 | babilen | adkins1: You would simply create specific files with exactly the sections you need in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d -- they will then, in their entirety, be treated as a single xorg.conf |
| 18:39.58 | babilen | Mongo44: The "driver" is simply a kernel module and should therefore be identical if you use the same kernel |
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| 18:40.54 | adkins1 | babilen: ok i dont understand your last point. could you be more precise? |
| 18:41.21 | Mongo44 | Lubuntu uses the same kernel. |
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| 18:41.41 | babilen | adkins1: I am not saying that it is not possible, simply that I have no experience with it. I'd suggest to remove any unnecessary cruft from your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then split it into semantic units and place those into single files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-SOMETHING.conf -- Restart Xorg, paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net and include the output of "xrandr -q" -- we can take it from there. |
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| 18:42.04 | babilen | adkins1: Have you encountered .d directories before? |
| 18:42.31 | adkins1 | no |
| 18:43.02 | towo` | adkins1, since when is a T530 nthe same as a W520? |
| 18:43.41 | babilen | adkins1: Okay, it is a configuration file paradigm typically found on Debian. The idea is that rather using one single large configuration file it is better to split that into smaller files that are all placed into a .d directory and will, in their entirety, simply be "combined" to the large single file before. |
| 18:43.55 | adkins1 | towo`: never said it is the same |
| 18:44.34 | babilen | adkins1: This allows you, for example, to easily remove or add blocks of configuration and to organise them semantically rather than having to use one large configuration file. A minimal configuration to enable the nvidia driver is shown in https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration |
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| 18:45.20 | babilen | adkins1: And is it actually possible to do this with a T530? I have a single VGA out on my T420 and wouldn't know how to drive three screens from that ... |
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| 18:46.02 | Mongo44 | How about the Intel driver? |
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| 18:46.47 | babilen | Mongo44: Put whatever you use to configure it now into, for example, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf -- it doesn't change, but it allows you to *organise* things differently. |
| 18:46.51 | entity | hello, i want to startx server without the -nolisten tcp option at system startup, this is a mostly stock debian jessie install with ati drivers |
| 18:46.55 | entity | which file should i look into? |
| 18:46.57 | adkins1 | babilen: physically its working |
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| 18:47.08 | adkins1 | babilen: since it works under win 7 |
| 18:47.25 | babilen | adkins1: with a T530? |
| 18:47.40 | adkins1 | babilen: yes |
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| 18:49.17 | phox | anyone? I have a "fun" one going on here, -no- idea what's up: I have a bunch of NFS exports on one machine, and two that mount some or all of them. after rebooting for something else (more or less, only noticed it now and the reboot was a day or two ago) it "mounts" on the clients but appears empty. fstab and exports appear to be -identical- to other mounts that are working -fine-. the only thing I haven't done here is actually reboot the machin |
| 18:49.20 | towo` | adkins1, are you sure, the nvidia chip in your thinkpad is connected to any display-out? |
| 18:49.39 | saivert | I thought there was no Xorg conf anymore since switching to autodetection |
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| 18:49.48 | saivert | at least it has been like that forever in Fedora now |
| 18:50.18 | babilen | Mongo44: This isn't necessary, I just want you to get rid of all the cruft you have in your xorg.conf -- So, in your example: http://paste.debian.net/81728/ |
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| 18:51.41 | Mongo44 | That is all you need and I can delete the rest? |
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| 18:52.10 | entity | dound it, /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 18:52.13 | entity | found* |
| 18:52.17 | babilen | Mongo44: I don't know, but I am *curious* how it behaves and what happens if you run "xrandr" |
| 18:52.37 | babilen | Mongo44: Otherwise revert to whatever configuration you were using when you tried xrandr |
| 18:53.10 | Mongo44 | This is for my Lubuntu VM. I want to run it with 1366x768. |
| 18:53.31 | Mongo44 | Sometimes it only runs in 640x480. |
| 18:53.43 | towo` | in the vm there is no intel or nvidia |
| 18:53.45 | babilen | Mongo44: What does that have to do with Debian then? |
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| 18:54.04 | towo` | Mongo44, install the guest-additions |
| 18:54.15 | entity | uh, i removed the -nolisten tcp argument from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc but the xserver still starts with that option? |
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| 18:54.38 | entity | this is my xserverrc: exec /usr/bin/X "$@" |
| 18:54.44 | Mongo44 | For my last VM I had to boot with root priveleges to install them. |
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| 18:55.09 | adkins1 | babilen: xorg.conf.d/20-first.conf: http://paste.debian.net/81729 xrandr -q : http://paste.debian.net/81727 Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/81730 |
| 18:55.19 | Mongo44 | I can't remember where the instructions I used for that are. |
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| 18:55.56 | babilen | adkins1: So, I was thinking of: http://paste.debian.net/81728/ |
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| 18:56.24 | adkins1 | babilen: since it only detects one screen connected i think i`m not able to use xrandr --output...... to set it up |
| 18:56.26 | babilen | Mongo44: My previous message was sent to you in error |
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| 18:56.49 | adkins1 | babilen: ok does it make any difference? |
| 18:57.11 | babilen | adkins1: No, not really ... How are the other displays connected? |
| 18:57.25 | Mongo44 | That's strange because I have recently used xrandr. |
| 18:57.25 | adkins1 | one is internal and one is vga |
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| 18:57.43 | Mongo44 | Time to go to class. Take it easy. |
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| 18:58.12 | botsis | hello |
| 18:58.25 | babilen | adkins1: Are you sure about that? It shows VGA-0 disconnected |
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| 18:58.45 | adkins1 | babilen: yes sure ;) |
| 18:58.46 | botsis | is there a free flashplayer for debian, to use with iceweasel browser ? |
| 18:59.06 | entity | wow, i guess my writing is transparent then |
| 18:59.09 | adkins1 | babilen: the other screens are just blank |
| 18:59.10 | babilen | botsis: Free as in beer or speech? |
| 18:59.12 | entity | if only i knew how i did it ;) |
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| 18:59.16 | reciproqc | hello can anyone help me troubleshoot a usb sound card making ALSA crash? |
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| 18:59.32 | entity | well, the bright side is, i can spam this channel with advertisement and nobody will notice :P |
| 18:59.36 | babilen | entity: Sometimes people are busy or don't know the answer or ... |
| 18:59.40 | botsis | babilen, both. as beer i know there is the adobe one, i need another |
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| 19:00.43 | babilen | botsis: There were some free ones, but I they weren't working too well: Look into gnash |
| 19:00.54 | botsis | thx |
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| 19:01.15 | babilen | adkins1: And the screens are shown if you use the xorg.conf you pasted before? |
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| 19:02.04 | adkins1 | babilen: both displays were working, unfortunately internal and vga was cloned, yes |
| 19:02.29 | babilen | adkins1: That is the horror that is Optimus rather than two real GPUs? |
| 19:02.47 | adkins1 | babilen: but i couldnt find them with xrandr because it was disabled |
| 19:03.14 | adkins1 | optimus yes |
| 19:03.31 | babilen | adkins1: Okay, look into bumblebee ... You can't really treat that normally. |
| 19:03.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell adkins1 -about bumblebee |
| 19:03.57 | babilen | adkins1: They also have a pretty decent channel from what i know. I quite intentionally didn't buy Optimus hardware. |
| 19:05.14 | adkins1 | babilen: are you sure i really need bumblebee? i`ve heard that it should suck, buggy etc and since the author here: http://zachstechnotes.blogspot.de/2012/01/tri-head-display-on-linux-thinkpad-w520.html had it working without bumblee (as far as i understand)....i`m not so sure if i really need it |
| 19:06.06 | jhutchins | Optimus seems like an odd solution anyway - why not just throttle a single GPU system rather than switching. |
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| 19:08.06 | babilen | adkins1: What is your BIOS setting right now? |
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| 19:09.32 | cnnx | on a new wheezy install i do apt-get install bzflag-server and it installs it but i cant start the server, i did locate bzflag and it doesnt find the binaries |
| 19:09.48 | babilen | adkins1: But then my understanding was that yes, if you want to use both GPUs that you'll have to use bumblebee. Depending on the fact if they actually can drive all displays and if there is a real hardware mux you might get away with disabling intel while still being to use nvidia. Normally Optimus simply writes data into the the memory of the Intel card which is then connected to the displays (which means that you can't use nvidia independently) |
| 19:10.18 | babilen | cnnx: "dpkg -L bzflag-server" and read /usr/share/doc/bzflag-server/README.Debian* |
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| 19:11.20 | babilen | adkins1: In addition to that I simply know that xinerama is not the preferred way of configuring things these days. And i'd like to point out that a W520 and a T530 might very well behave *very* differently in this regard. |
| 19:12.12 | babilen | adkins1: How would you actually connect three displays to your T530? |
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| 19:13.02 | babilen | adkins1: anyway, I would strongly recommend to discuss this with the optimus people and to stick to the "lean" configuration scheme advocated by Debian and to embrace .d |
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| 19:15.47 | adkins1 | babilen: thank you, by saying optimus people are you meaning some optimus irc channel? |
| 19:16.01 | jonos | is debian 7 now support by most third party software i.e domain technoligie control or am i best sticking with debian 6 ? |
| 19:16.10 | jonos | supported* |
| 19:17.02 | petern_ | debian 6 won't be supported by debian for much longer |
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| 19:18.32 | jhutchins | petern_: That's hard to say actually. I don't believe a freeze has been announced for Jessie yet. |
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| 19:18.58 | jhutchins | jonos: That question really depends on the third party. |
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| 19:19.30 | petern_ | oh, i thought it was 1 year after wheezy release |
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| 19:19.42 | petern_ | apologies |
| 19:19.46 | jhutchins | jonos: Some projects just love to have the latest and greatest components under them, and when PHP or Python aren't backwards compatible you might need the newest possible release. |
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| 19:20.13 | jhutchins | jonos: Others get grumpy about having to recode for newer versions and it can be hard to get them to upgrade to the latest release. |
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| 19:20.30 | babilen | adkins1: Yes, exactly. |
| 19:20.40 | babilen | adkins1: Read the message the bot sent you some time ago. |
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| 19:20.55 | jhutchins | petern_: You may be right, I thought oldstable stayed viable until the next release but I could be wrong. |
| 19:21.09 | giovanotti | does anyone knows an alternative to remastersys? I want to make an installable live cd for wheezy. |
| 19:21.10 | babilen | adkins1: <bumblebee> is what I am referring to. |
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| 19:21.35 | adkins1 | babilen: thx |
| 19:21.36 | phox | it'd be nice if anyone here knew stuff about nfs and could enlighten me |
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| 19:21.53 | babilen | phox: You are now enlightened. Farewell. |
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| 19:23.37 | phox | babilen: does that mean you'll answer my nfds question? :) |
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| 19:24.13 | phox | otherwise I think I'm rebooting this server because my active theory right now is that the kernel NFS server screwed up somehow and short of unloading the entire module stack I don't see an easy solution |
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| 19:25.01 | babilen | phox: Sounds like a plan -- Sorry, I have just seen your question and would essentially boil it down to: "What are the differences?" -- Starting clean is certainly a good thing. |
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| 19:27.36 | giovanotti | does anyone knows an alternative to remastersys? I want to make an installable live cd for wheezy. |
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| 19:28.41 | phox | nothign appears to be different. the fstab entries and exports entries are killed/yanked from other _working_ ones and I've just done likewise for another _new_ export which is working fine, and even tried renaming the mountpoints in _both_ ends to no avail so I think knfsd is doing something really broken and probably remembers e.g. the export's root directory inode or something like that |
| 19:28.47 | jhutchins | phox: Documentation for NFS and troublshooting it is extensive and highly available. |
| 19:29.12 | phox | jhutchins: I've never seen anything abotu documenting this sort of problem |
| 19:29.43 | phox | I've seen lots and lots and lots of "NFS troubleshooting" docs but nothing that covers the "it still doesn't work as expected when everything appears to be configured perfectly" case |
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| 19:31.21 | jhutchins | I think what I'd do would be to unmount the share from all of the clients, then re-start NFS on the server, make sure it doesn't log any errors, and then test mounting the shares remotely. |
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| 19:31.34 | phox | I've done that |
| 19:31.38 | phox | doesn't mount on anything |
| 19:31.51 | phox | does the init script unload the modules on stop and/or restart? |
| 19:31.54 | phox | thinking not |
| 19:32.00 | phox | which might help. |
| 19:33.21 | jhutchins | phox: It can be useful to use automount on any network share so that it's less likely to accumulate a problem on a persistent mount. |
| 19:33.48 | phox | jhutchins: I'll look into that |
| 19:33.56 | jhutchins | phox: well, reboot isn't all that bad an idea. |
| 19:33.56 | phox | although that's going to be more of a "future" thing |
| 19:34.02 | phox | it's just a hassle |
| 19:34.11 | phox | it's a semi-production machine with a few dozen users |
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| 19:34.26 | phox | I'm going to partly blame the fact that glusterfs was _ever_ involved in this |
| 19:34.39 | jhutchins | phox: Pretty sure you can turn up the default log level on the NFS server. |
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| 19:37.13 | phox | I presume that goes to syslog. seems to have some noise in it already but not a lot. |
| 19:37.57 | phox | so the export works if I unmount the volume and just use the mountpoint as a dir in the parent fs |
| 19:39.45 | phox | and I put the filesystem in question back and no go |
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| 19:45.43 | jonos | have found out i have to use debian 6 atm as there still developing compatable application for debian 7 :( |
| 19:46.56 | jhutchins | When using NIS with two local servers, does one use something like rsync to keep the source files on each server in sync, or is there an NIS method to do that? |
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| 19:47.47 | atari314 | Quick question, during a regular debian install (not expert install) does the installer install all kernel modules (generic) or only include drivers needed for this system (target)? |
| 19:48.52 | Cylta | I think nearly all. t least what is switched on in kernel |
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| 19:49.26 | atari314 | Cylta: got it, tks :) |
| 19:50.16 | reciproqc | hello can anyone help me troubleshoot a usb sound card making ALSA crash? |
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| 19:51.33 | rozie | reciproqc: we don't know your problem so don't know if can help ;) |
| 19:52.17 | reciproqc | rozie i know how you feel but is there a way to find that out? |
| 19:52.29 | reciproqc | rozie https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/531 |
| 19:53.44 | rozie | reciproqc: I used to have USB card. it had issues with fixed sampling rate |
| 19:53.52 | rozie | 48k vs usual 44.1 |
| 19:54.01 | rozie | but didn't use mic |
| 19:54.05 | Waxhead | I have been following the init system debate for a while. As far as I know the choice is now made. The only thing that can prevent it is a general resolution. Not being a native English speaker myself would someone please shed some light on what a general resolution actually means (in debian terms)?! |
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| 19:54.28 | phox | atari314: all, but with kind-of an exception: depending what you're doing various things e.g. I think mdraid are NOT in initramfs, so you might have to muck with stuff and udpate that. but hardware drivers should always be present AFAIK. |
| 19:54.42 | reciproqc | rozie how did you solve that? |
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| 19:55.18 | rozie | IIRC I set up resample in mpd. or in alsa |
| 19:55.35 | atari314 | phox, tyvm for the answer, I guess I'll be better off doing the expert install and selecting (target) after selecting my preferred kernel then. Right? |
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| 19:56.04 | phox | atari314: I don't think an expert install gets you a differen initramfs |
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| 19:56.57 | atari314 | phox: I'm experimenting here and the regular install give me a bigger footprint. the only thing different looks like the /lib/modules/ |
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| 19:57.14 | reciproqc | rozie: I would like to try that with alsa can you help me? |
| 19:57.16 | rozie | reciproqc: which alsa do you use? maybe in backports there's newer version? |
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| 19:57.38 | trewas | Waxhead: all debian developers can vote in a general resolution and in this case majority could overturn the default-init decision, but the details are quite hard to say because no ballot has been made (who knows how many options there would be etc) |
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| 19:58.16 | reciproqc | backports yeah |
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| 19:59.21 | Waxhead | trewas: ok, the problem is that I don't fully understand what a general resolution is. e.g. is it similar to another vote? E.g. can a general resolution change the results or simply discard it ? |
| 19:59.22 | phox | atari314: not sure but that'd surprise me at the very least |
| 20:00.01 | rozie | http://www.voxforge.org/home/docs/faq/faq/linux-how-to-determine-your-audio-cards-or-usb-mics-maximum-sampling-rate |
| 20:00.14 | rozie | reciproqc: take a look on link above |
| 20:00.15 | reciproqc | rozie: no backports though for Raspbian :( |
| 20:00.34 | reciproqc | yes ty |
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| 20:01.06 | trewas | Waxhead: it can be anything what at least five (I think) DDs support, for example something similar what CTTE voted on |
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| 20:02.33 | rozie | reciproqc: I've heard that rpi has some bug in USB support. it was failing when some mode was used on BT device |
| 20:02.43 | Waxhead | trewas: ok, but that means it is basically another vote then. Thanks for answering! |
| 20:02.51 | rozie | check if card works OK on normal Debian |
| 20:03.33 | reciproqc | rozie: yes ok good idea im really in a slump :S even a little push helps me right now |
| 20:04.00 | trewas | Waxhead: yes, general resolution is always some kind of vote |
| 20:04.05 | reciproqc | it says channel count non available |
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| 20:04.21 | reciproqc | even with -d 1 |
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| 20:12.50 | reciproqc | rozie: it works if I set channels to stereo but fails in mono |
| 20:13.29 | reciproqc | still gives me 48k max |
| 20:13.30 | rozie | haven't play that much |
| 20:13.45 | rozie | it's probably 48k always |
| 20:14.04 | rozie | at least my card had always 48k |
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| 20:14.16 | rozie | couldn't playe 44.1 |
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| 20:16.01 | reciproqc | well looks like alsa resamples to 48k when I play a 10k file |
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| 20:18.12 | colonolGron | i am going to install debian, have netinst on a usb stick, but my online way to have a internet connectin is with usb-to-ethernet adapter, which needs asix AX88179 driver. can i download the appropriate deb somewhere and install it before the rest of installation? |
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| 20:21.03 | petn-randall | Hi colonolGron, it could very well be that it works out of the box. Have you tested it yet? |
| 20:21.33 | colonolGron | hey petn-randall, you again :) |
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| 20:22.29 | colonolGron | well, i got a message that i need a propretary driver, b43, but i think this is for wlan. and i dont have wlan access here anyway. when i tried to go again to network detection it asked for essid. and i didnt find how to change to ethernet, thats why i thought i need a driver for it |
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| 20:23.52 | petn-randall | colonolGron: Try it with the wireless turned off. If the chipset isn't brand new it should work fine. |
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| 20:27.31 | colonolGron | petn-randall: the macbook doesnt have a wifi switch, i only disabled it inside osx, but i suppose this wont apply if osx isnt running. |
| 20:27.46 | colonolGron | however i will do a reboot and try it again, maybe i didnt miss a option in the menu |
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| 20:30.07 | petn-randall | colonolGron: Oh, I see. It's a software killswitch then. You should be able to pick "ignore this interface" or something along those lines. |
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| 20:41.08 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:41.16 | Azrael_- | how can i change the locale to "C"? |
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| 20:42.58 | reciproqc | Azrael_-: vs "not C++"? |
| 20:43.11 | autopilot | hi, I'd like to change the default awk from mawk to gawk (I'm using debian as an LFS platform), but there is no gawk package... please could someone assist? |
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| 20:44.40 | phox | can I set up Debian so boot is not hard-dependant on mountnfs? |
| 20:45.07 | phox | right now if there is e.g. a DNS outage it hangs for a _very_ long time waiting to give up |
| 20:45.23 | phox | one option I guess is autofs |
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| 20:46.40 | Azrael_- | reciproqc: php is partially locale aware in wheezy but wasn't in squeeze. thus changing the locale to german caused several problems and i got the information, the locale-setting "C" would be the setting with least trouble |
| 20:47.30 | phox | and while it's doing that can I force it to abort trying to mount nfsen? |
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| 20:49.11 | colonolGron | unfortunately i wasnt able to disable wifi during installation :/ and i didnt find a way to configure ethernet, it always wanted to use wifi. i switched to console and wanted to do a "ifconfig wlan0 down" but that command was not yet known |
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| 20:51.24 | peterrooney | Azrael_-: "dpkg-reconfigure --priority low locales" should help. |
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| 20:51.38 | hpekdemir | hi |
| 20:52.05 | hpekdemir | who decides whether or not there will or should be a GR for the recent vote results for init? |
| 20:52.10 | hpekdemir | the TC? |
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| 20:53.24 | frostschutz | the easter bunny |
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| 20:55.43 | saivert | more bureaucracy in Debian than in most governments |
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| 20:56.39 | centrx | Not ture |
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| 21:01.34 | yuriks | Hello. I'm trying to implement some system automation using apt. Is there a way to specify an apt repository to apt-get download on the command-line instead of having to modify the system source list? |
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| 21:08.16 | Azrael_- | peterrooney: can't see an effect of "--priority low". i have to set the language to en_US, otherwise the php-scripts fail |
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| 21:08.28 | FungiFox | yuriks: http://superuser.com/questions/271774/add-to-sources-list-with-a-command-not-a-redirect-or-text-editor |
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| 21:08.46 | yuriks | FungiFox: I don't want to modify the system source list |
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| 21:09.37 | yuriks | FungiFox: I want to tell apt to do a one time operation of "download the following packages from this repository" |
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| 21:09.49 | petn-randall | saivert: Tell me more, you seem like an expert on Debian topics. |
| 21:09.51 | babilen | yuriks: Add whatever you want (with echo) to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/foo-something.list -- or use proper orchestration tools such as salt |
| 21:10.16 | Xuisce1 | hi |
| 21:10.29 | petn-randall | hpekdemir: You need 6 developers to agree on a draft to initiate a GR. |
| 21:10.44 | xmetal | hello all (no question here, btw) ... messing with debian for the first time in Virtualbox here ... probably going to replace one of my other distros later with it :) |
| 21:11.03 | babilen | xmetal: Have fun, let us know if you want to know something |
| 21:11.25 | babilen | xmetal: fwiw, http://debian-handbook.info/ is a great resource |
| 21:11.50 | yuriks | babilen: I don't want to add a source. I just want to use apt to fetch the debs (using it to read the Packages list and to resolve versions) |
| 21:11.51 | xmetal | thank you |
| 21:12.06 | babilen | yuriks: Well, you can't. |
| 21:12.06 | FungiFox | yuriks: why don't you want to add a source ffs? |
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| 21:12.29 | yuriks | FungiFox: because this is just a build script, it doesn't have business messing with the system configuration |
| 21:12.32 | xmetal | one thing i noticed so far is some of the packages (not that they dont work) .. seem old ... say VLC is 2.03 |
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| 21:12.46 | FungiFox | yuriks: make a script that adds the source, downloads the stuff and then removes it again... |
| 21:12.47 | babilen | yuriks: Or hang on, let me verify that claim, but I don't see the problem you are having with defining the repository in the "normal" way. |
| 21:12.51 | xmetal | i really like debian though so far |
| 21:12.56 | xmetal | (just installed it last night) |
| 21:13.29 | hpekdemir | yuriks: can you use your own source.lists? |
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| 21:13.45 | hpekdemir | or do you strictly want to do it on cli without accessing any file |
| 21:13.56 | hpekdemir | petn-randall: thanks for the answer. |
| 21:13.57 | babilen | xmetal: Well, Debian stable is, well, stable which simply means "not changing" in Debian. If you want newer version check if they are available in backports or consider tracking testing or unstable. Doing the latter definitely requires a certain level of familiarity with Debian and its packaging system. |
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| 21:14.03 | yuriks | hpekdemir: if there's a way to specify them, sure. apt will still use the system cache directory though, won't it? |
| 21:14.10 | hpekdemir | yuriks: of course. |
| 21:14.14 | hpekdemir | then do the following |
| 21:14.17 | woshty | Is there a properly working version of gimp somewhere? |
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| 21:14.21 | yuriks | self contained cli command is preferable but not strictly required |
| 21:14.31 | babilen | judd: v vlc --release=wheezy-backports |
| 21:14.33 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 2.1.2-2~bpo70+2 |
| 21:14.38 | babilen | xmetal: ^^^ |
| 21:14.45 | petn-randall | woshty: There is. |
| 21:14.46 | yuriks | my plan B was just writing a tool that would parse the Packages file and return me the deb urls to download |
| 21:14.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell xmetal -about backports |
| 21:15.04 | xmetal | I have used a good number of distros and I (i will not say it, since different rooms are picky about mentioning rival distros) another distro for my "regular OS" .. I dont mind messing with Debian |
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| 21:15.20 | xmetal | i agree that there is no use for "the bleeding edge" software if it breaks stuff |
| 21:15.22 | xmetal | :D |
| 21:15.28 | hpekdemir | yuriks: echo "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mine.list && apt-get update -o Dir::Etc::sourcelist="sources.list.d/mine.list" |
| 21:15.40 | xmetal | again .. there is nothing wrong with VLC 2.03 in that example |
| 21:15.44 | hpekdemir | yuriks: this is only an example. extend like you will. |
| 21:15.48 | xmetal | ty |
| 21:16.06 | Okee | Can someone tell me how to use evince PDF reader? |
| 21:16.07 | woshty | petn-randall: where at? the version in stable seems pretty unstable .. |
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| 21:16.07 | hpekdemir | yuriks: you can use apt-cache, apt-get. it's up to you |
| 21:16.21 | babilen | xmetal: It simply depends on what you want and I simply wanted to point out the options. I'd recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html and https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable to understand a few of the ramifications. |
| 21:16.28 | Okee | I am looking for a PDF program that will give me the ability to type, and write in a pdf file. |
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| 21:16.34 | Okee | Will Evince do this? |
| 21:16.34 | yuriks | hpekdemir: that'll still require root to access the cache directory, no? |
| 21:16.41 | hpekdemir | no |
| 21:16.45 | petn-randall | woshty: the stable one works fine for me. How is it unstable for you? |
| 21:16.51 | hpekdemir | normale user is allowed to lookup cache |
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| 21:16.56 | hpekdemir | +normal |
| 21:16.57 | xmetal | debian is one distro i meant to try for awhile ... finally got around it it |
| 21:17.02 | xmetal | oops to it* |
| 21:17.16 | xmetal | i am going to bookmark that URL .. thanks again |
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| 21:17.17 | jhutchins | Okee: PDF is intended as an immutable format that simulates a printed page. The correct way to modify a PDF is to modify the source document then "repirint" the PDF. |
| 21:17.19 | petn-randall | Okee: evince is AFAIK a PDF viewer, not an editor. You might be able to do that with libreoffice. |
| 21:17.34 | ksuhku | xmetal, just be careful, debian might be the last distro you try... |
| 21:17.42 | xmetal | lol |
| 21:17.46 | petn-randall | evil laugh |
| 21:17.46 | babilen | xmetal: Yeah, I would recommend to try stable + backports which should get you quite far. For some packages it is also quite easy to backport them yourself if they aren't available as official backport, but for others it isn't. |
| 21:17.49 | yuriks | hpekdemir: hm, I'll experiment. thansk |
| 21:17.51 | hpekdemir | yuriks: as long as you provide your information in cache by apt-get update your specified source.list |
| 21:17.53 | jhutchins | Okee: Adobe has extended the format to include fillable forms and has offered some editing suites, but not all PDFs are compatible with editing. |
| 21:17.58 | Okee | is there a PDF editor that works with LInux? Adobe Acrobat does this for PDF on windows. |
| 21:18.07 | xmetal | i am not trying them "because i dont like one or the other" ... I am just trying them to get a feel for the others |
| 21:18.10 | jhutchins | Okee: Some, including most produced by scanners, are simply image files with no internal text. |
| 21:18.12 | xmetal | them = distros |
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| 21:18.17 | woshty | petn-randall: tiff import/export is crashing from time to time on some files. changing fixed size selection boxes from portrait to landscape initiations some strange counting down of position values .. |
| 21:18.17 | ksuhku | makes sense |
| 21:18.33 | jhutchins | Okee: Acrobat will not edit all PDFs. |
| 21:18.33 | Okee | jhutchins> Has Adobe done this for Linux? The last time I checked Adobe was not supporting Linux. |
| 21:18.48 | xmetal | i do have to admit there is one distro (mainly all CLI) that gives me headaches sometimes :P .. .buts I am learning |
| 21:18.50 | jhutchins | Okee: No, they don't supply the full Acrobat suite. |
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| 21:19.08 | jhutchins | Okee: Acrobat was originally just a formatting tool before they extended it. |
| 21:19.13 | xmetal | hmm i dont do alot of PDF editing here ... I usually do what I need with A) Libre Office or B) GIMP |
| 21:19.19 | xmetal | (not alot of editing of the text |
| 21:19.20 | petn-randall | woshty: Maybe you ran out of free memory? Can you reproduce the problems? |
| 21:19.20 | xmetal | ) |
| 21:19.22 | Okee | jhutchins> Are there any pdf editors for Linux? |
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| 21:19.33 | jhutchins | Okee: There are several tools in Linux which can work with some PDFs. |
| 21:19.42 | jhutchins | Okee: gimp is one of the possibilities. |
| 21:20.01 | jhutchins | Okee: Are you trying to alter a PDF or fill a PDF form? |
| 21:20.12 | woshty | petn-randall: yep, on some files with above average compression created with sane .. maybe choosing tiff wasnt the brightest idea |
| 21:20.22 | xmetal | i dont mind messing with different sources (adding them) to debian... though if there is nothing wrong with the default versions of differnt programs, I will leave it |
| 21:20.30 | xmetal | brb |
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| 21:20.50 | Okee | jhutchins> I was looking for something to draw my name (signature) on a signed form, so that I don't have to print it out and scan it in. I already copy and paste signatures from libreoffice to text documents, and do the same thing for .doc in Windows. And having this feature for PDF would be a big help. |
| 21:20.56 | petn-randall | woshty: If you run out of memory most programs won't behave well. |
| 21:21.41 | abrotman | Okee: inkscape should be able to do that |
| 21:21.51 | woshty | petn-randall: about 5gb cached according to free, so that should not be an issue. I restarted iceweasel today, so I am fine :) |
| 21:21.59 | babilen | xmetal: I would strongly advise against mixing in third-party repositories or, even worse, to mix different releases (e.g. stable with testing) or, THE HORROR, with packages tailored for derivatives such as Ubuntu or Mint. |
| 21:22.11 | petn-randall | xmetal: The greatest advantage of Debian is that you can get really far with the vanilla repos. I don't recommend adding any other repos unless they have something you can't live without and aren't in the Debian ones. |
| 21:22.18 | xmetal | true |
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| 21:22.40 | petn-randall | And, what babilen said. :) |
| 21:22.58 | xmetal | i dont care about the "bleeding edge" versions as I said .. if its stable, and installed (different packages), I am happy |
| 21:23.22 | jhutchins | Okee: Gimp is probably the best tool for that, or imagemagick |
| 21:23.38 | jhutchins | Okee: pdfedit is in Debian, but I don't know it's capabilities. |
| 21:23.56 | colonolGron | petn-randall: i wasnt able to figure out of to use the ethernet interface. didnt find a option to select it, maybe the usb-to-ethernet adapter really doesnt get recognized? |
| 21:23.56 | babilen | xmetal: In the case that something isn't package I personally prefer to simply install it from source (or package it myself) and to manage that installation with stow. (cf. <stow> and <stow usage> -- /msg dpkg stow) |
| 21:24.12 | Okee | abrotman & jhutchins> OK, I have Inkscape on here; I will check it out. Thanks for your help. |
| 21:24.38 | babilen | xmetal: But then: If you are happy we are happy and you will now have all the time to enjoy Debian. Welcome and enjoy your stay. |
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| 21:25.28 | petn-randall | colonolGron: You can check with 'lsusb' the name and USB ID of the device, and we can look up if it's supported and if not, how to get it to work. |
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| 21:25.48 | Okee | jhutchins> I did a search with apt-cache search and nothing comes up. Also, I attempted to install with apt-get install, and received an error message indicating that pdfedit is not available, but is referred to by another package. Any idea what that package is called? |
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| 21:26.07 | xmetal | I am not saying I will not use debian regularly, though for Linux I use Mint (for "everyday use") ... the other distros are to play with/learn |
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| 21:26.09 | xmetal | :) |
| 21:26.16 | xmetal | brb again |
| 21:26.17 | jhutchins | ,versions pdfedit |
| 21:26.18 | judd | Package: pdfedit on i386 -- squeeze: 0.4.5-1 |
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| 21:26.59 | xmetal | installing lxde (or is that ldxe?, lol) and one of my favorite DE's = Xfce |
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| 21:27.14 | woshty | ah, using export instead of just overwrite, i get more detailed error msgs for that failing tiff export |
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| 21:27.18 | xmetal | xfce install is one of the first things i do on my own computers, no matter the distro |
| 21:27.19 | Okee | jhutchins> I discovered why I can't find pdfedit. It is in beta, and I am running Debian stable. |
| 21:27.43 | Okee | There might be an Apache Open office extension that would work for this. |
| 21:27.53 | jhutchins | Okee: Actually, it's in oldstable. |
| 21:28.08 | jhutchins | Okee: For your specific operation I'd try gimp. |
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| 21:28.34 | Okee | jhutchins> What do you mean by oldstable? I am not familiar with oldstable? I am familiar with unstable, testing, stable, and experimental. |
| 21:28.39 | jhutchins | Okee: You're overlaying one image on another. It might make the resulting PDF unreasonably large. It really depends on the source format. |
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| 21:29.08 | Okee | jhutchins> The only thing I am doing is signing my name on an IRS form -- nothing more. |
| 21:29.27 | jhutchins | Okee: oldstable, stable, testing, unstable, experimental. squeeze, wheezy, jessie, sid, stupid. |
| 21:29.54 | jhutchins | ;-) |
| 21:29.58 | xmetal | everytime i see "wheezy" i think of the Jeffersons |
| 21:30.02 | axel_foley | hi at all! |
| 21:30.12 | Okee | jhutchins> How do I access oldstable? I am a newbie, and running Debian Linux stable. |
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| 21:30.34 | axel_foley | Okee, why old stable? |
| 21:30.48 | axel_foley | its debian squeeze 6 |
| 21:31.17 | Okee | axel_foley> jhutchins just indicated that pdfedit for Linux is found in old stable. I am running Wheazy. |
| 21:31.28 | jhutchins | axel_foley: For some reason pdfedit was dropped, and I don't remember how to ask the bots why. |
| 21:31.29 | xmetal | i do have to admit "squeeze" "Wheezy" ... heck "Squeezy Wheezy' lol ... it does make me smirk sometimes |
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| 21:32.29 | petn-randall | Okee, jhutchins, http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pdfedit/news/20120619T120924Z.html |
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| 21:32.37 | petn-randall | It's because it depended on QT3. |
| 21:32.37 | axel_foley | Okee, use pdftk in command line and you are fine :-) |
| 21:33.22 | centrx | Okee, https://wiki.debian.org/PDF#Editors_.2F_Generators |
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| 21:34.41 | doebi | i am currently on wheezy and would like to switch to jessie. how would i want to do that? just editing sources.list and upgrading? |
| 21:34.47 | axel_foley | Okee, you have to look at alternatives. I switch to arch because of some bugs in gfortran 4.7 that removed in 4.8.2. That's live |
| 21:35.17 | centrx | doebi, dist-upgrade |
| 21:35.19 | colonolGron | petn-randall: well its from cable matters, the usb to ethernet adapter, using a asix chip called ax88179 |
| 21:35.28 | Kobaz | soooo, why would my system boot seemingly normal but have no /dev entries for any drives/partitions (no /dev/sda whatsoever... but of course i can mknod it... but udev is behaving oddly) |
| 21:35.35 | jhutchins | Okee: THere is a version available in sid. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:35.46 | doebi | centrx: well could you be more specific? |
| 21:36.00 | doebi | cause just dist-upgrade does not install anything |
| 21:36.03 | jhutchins | Okee: or gimp. |
| 21:36.03 | centrx | doebi, Note: 1) testing does not receive expedited security updates, 2) You can't switch back, 3) watch out for bugs some times |
| 21:36.21 | centrx | doebi, Change sources.list, then run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:36.44 | doebi | ah so i do have to edit sources. thats all i want to know. thx |
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| 21:36.47 | jhutchins | doebi: If you require a working system every day consider doing a secondary dual-boot install for testing. |
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| 21:37.22 | doebi | but were is the fun, if all is stable? |
| 21:37.27 | doebi | :P |
| 21:37.29 | Okee | jhutchins> SID is by definition unstable, and I am running stable. Supposedly you can change the pin order of a program to get around update problems, but I don't know how to do this as of yet. A friend of mine promised to email me the command for that. |
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| 21:38.35 | jhutchins | Okee: I think pinning might be considered deprecated, and mixing releases is highly discouraged, but /msg dpkg ssb and dpkg will tell you how to backport something from sid to stable with less risk. |
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| 21:39.10 | jhutchins | doebi: If that kind of fun is your goal have at it! |
| 21:39.53 | colonolGron | petn-randall: is that the information which is needed? |
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| 21:40.13 | Okee | dpkg has no idea. |
| 21:40.14 | dpkg | Okee: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 21:41.39 | jhutchins | !ssb |
| 21:41.40 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 21:42.32 | Okee | I think Inkscape might be a better topion for now, but I need to figure out how to make the mouse draw. |
| 21:43.22 | jhutchins | Okee: What I have done in the past is to create/capture an image of my signature, then combine that with a document (actually ususally in oofice). Also gimp. |
| 21:44.00 | Okee | jhutchins> I am already doing that with .doc/docx and .odt formats. Can this also be done with pdf format? |
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| 21:44.56 | mdim | I'm looking at live images at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ and wondering - what's the difference between gnome-desktop and standard? |
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| 21:47.27 | colonolGron | hey can please anybody tell me how i can use the ethernet connection instead of wifi during installation? |
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| 21:47.50 | nightfly | flip the wifi switch seems like the easiest option |
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| 21:48.40 | colonolGron | nightfly: unfortunately the macbook doesnt have that |
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| 21:49.12 | colonolGron | i tried to switch to a shell and do a "ifconfig wlan0 down" but ifconfig isnt available at that point |
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| 21:49.20 | colonolGron | so is thera another possibility? |
| 21:50.11 | colonolGron | there has to be, i wonder why noone tells me :P |
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| 21:52.59 | Jobbe | I justinstalled my macbook |
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| 21:53.10 | jhutchins | Jobbe: Into what? |
| 21:53.26 | Jobbe | I intalled debian on it last night, except it came with wrong installer |
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| 21:53.32 | Jobbe | wrong windows manager* |
| 21:53.33 | Jobbe | sorry |
| 21:53.40 | colonolGron | Jobbe: wow great! i am on it right now |
| 21:53.46 | Sidicas | Has the RSA hostkey for git.debian.org changed in the last 6 months or am I going crazy? |
| 21:53.48 | Jobbe | So now i just reinstalled it with no wm |
| 21:53.58 | colonolGron | Jobbe: does everything work properly? |
| 21:54.11 | Jobbe | colonolGron: well what i need works :P |
| 21:54.17 | colonolGron | :) |
| 21:54.18 | jhutchins | colonolGron: If you have a good ethernet connection it should use that. |
| 21:54.30 | Jobbe | you have to install the b43 card though |
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| 21:54.47 | Jobbe | colonolGron: and for the wifi part, just plug in an ethernet cable ;) |
| 21:55.07 | Jobbe | colonolGron: to get wifi working, use wiki.debian.org/wl (follow the wheezy part) |
| 21:55.14 | petn-randall | colonolGron: Apparently support for this device was added in linux kernel 3.9, which is a lot newer than 3.2 which is the default in the installer. |
| 21:55.17 | Jobbe | Also i should mention i installed jessie |
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| 21:55.39 | colonolGron | Jobbe, Jobbe: since the macbook doesnt has an ethernet interface i use a usb-to-ethernet adapter, but it doesnt seem to get recognized |
| 21:55.52 | sponzor | is long smart test on hd putting any load on hard drive? |
| 21:55.54 | Jobbe | oh |
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| 21:56.00 | Jobbe | colonolGron: what macbook ? |
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| 21:56.16 | colonolGron | petn-randall: oh i see! is there a way to download the drivers and apply them before installation? |
| 21:56.28 | colonolGron | Jobbe: macbook pro retina, not sure which exact version though |
| 21:56.43 | petn-randall | sponzor: It will do a non-destructive read test on all blocks of the drive, including reserve sectors. |
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| 21:56.45 | Jobbe | colonolGron: ahh ok, i'm installing a MacBookPro5,5 |
| 21:56.52 | Jobbe | medio 2009 model |
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| 21:57.13 | Jobbe | Well i already installed it, now i'm running my install scripts |
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| 21:57.16 | colonolGron | Jobbe: okay, i already heard that your version works :) |
| 21:57.28 | petn-randall | colonolGron: There is kernel 3.12 in wheezy-backports, I don't know if there are any installer images with that kernel, though. |
| 21:57.29 | Jobbe | colonolGron: yeah :) |
| 21:57.46 | sponzor | petn-randall: so if drive is being in raid 5 and having alot of i/o. should i stop samba and do test or can i run test when samba is running? |
| 21:58.03 | colonolGron | petn-randall: sorry i am not sure what a backport is, i thought its something like a loder package version? |
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| 21:59.03 | colonolGron | petn-randall: are there alternative installers which maybe use a newer kernel version? |
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| 22:00.19 | xmetal | not sure why "wheezy-backports" just got me cracking up for a second |
| 22:00.30 | petn-randall | colonolGron: Yes, you'll need an installer with a newer kernel. It might be worth a try to ask on #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. Tell them that your usb dongle is supported with linux kernel 3.12 and if there are any installers available. |
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| 22:02.31 | jhutchins | colonolGron: So why not use the wifi? |
| 22:02.42 | colonolGron | petn-randall: okay, will do |
| 22:02.46 | colonolGron | jhutchins: no wifi here ;) |
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| 22:03.35 | jhutchins | colonolGron: Yet you bought a macbook that only had wifi. Interesting. |
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| 22:04.13 | _FBi | lol |
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| 22:04.17 | petn-randall | :) |
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| 22:04.42 | colonolGron | jhutchins: i bought the macbook before |
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| 22:04.45 | petn-randall | jhutchins: Well, he has ethernet, but only via a usb dongle which isn't supported in wheezy's 3.2 kernel. |
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| 22:05.13 | petn-randall | colonolGron: If they got an idea, tell me, I'm interested. |
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| 22:05.22 | colonolGron | petn-randall: okay :) |
| 22:05.32 | jhutchins | Sorry, I'm not being very helpful. |
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| 22:07.28 | petn-randall | pats jhutchins gently on the head. |
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| 22:08.30 | mo1991 | can anyone here help me with drupal? I'd like to install drupal "the debian way" for updates and such. Currently I have it working with drupal installed via untarring the tarball and adding modules manually - problem is there is no way to get notified of security updates as there would be the "debian way" . I'm not sure how the modules would work though. |
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| 22:10.04 | DcmbrAgnt | mo1991: That's a hard thing to cover in IRC (Drupal has some long setup procedures), but basically you can put what you want in /etc/drupal/7/sitename/modules.. |
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| 22:10.32 | jhutchins | mo1991: Drupal has an internal notification mechanism. |
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| 22:11.07 | jhutchins | mo1991: It will let you know as soon as updates or newer module versions become available. |
| 22:11.08 | colonolGron | they dont seem to be very active petn-randall ;) |
| 22:11.09 | DcmbrAgnt | I've recently converted an old Debian server to rsyslog (rather than sysklogd). Any idea why rsyslog running in -c0 compatibility mode would be not logging kernel messages like klogd used to? |
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| 22:11.43 | Guest84568 | hi |
| 22:11.55 | mo1991 | jhutchins - I realize it has updates when you go to the site and log in. It's just that I don't do that very often. It seems that if I installed it the "debian way" they would come up on the update-notifier like all other packages. I dont thing the modules would, however. |
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| 22:13.19 | threadlock | I've just created a ssh ecdsa key pair, added to /etc/ssh/sshd_config and restarted the service, but I can't manage to connect using them |
| 22:13.30 | mo1991 | jhutchins - I currently have it working the "drupal" way - and if theres a way to have it notify you on the "desktop" of updates I'd like to know, as this would make it so I don't have to reconfigure it. Although I'd much rather apt-get update for updates than untar the newest drupal every month or two |
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| 22:14.12 | mo1991 | also does anyone use the dh-make-drupal program to convert the modules to deb files? Does this have any update mechanism? |
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| 22:15.23 | mo1991 | it may be that I'm better off just keeping things as they are - but I'm trying to keep this server as secure as possible and I know that the one thing that I don't check enough is the drupal updates as they aren't incorporated into the normal debian updates |
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| 22:17.55 | JaneSmith | <mo1991> I'm better off just keeping things as they are :)) |
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| 22:21.14 | mo1991 | JaneSmith - drupal is kindoff a pain to get all the modules and stuff working together - do you have it notifying you via email of updates? I'm not sure I set that part up. Perhaps thats the best way to get notified and keep it secure |
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| 22:21.42 | Okee | Can someone help me link evince to a pdf file? I selected the properties feature, and changed the default from xpdf to Evince, but now receive an error message indicating that Evince failed to open file . What can I do about this? |
| 22:22.40 | JaneSmith | mo1991 i don't do things the debian way |
| 22:24.19 | JaneSmith | i'm only here to ask if debian has systemd |
| 22:24.36 | jelly-hme | ,v systemd |
| 22:24.37 | judd | Package: systemd on i386 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u4; jessie: 204-6; sid: 204-7 |
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| 22:25.14 | nkuttler | Okee: open the file from a terminal? |
| 22:25.16 | Ontological | I'm experiencing some debian-specific issues with openconnect/network-manager-openconnect/VPN connections. http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/114960/debian-7-4-networkmanager-and-openconnect-issues |
| 22:25.24 | mo1991 | JaneSmith - me either so far. Just wanted some feedback if it was worth the reconfiguring . Sounds like so far the feedback is no. I guess after so many years of using debian and it's convenient updates I'm spoiled. Druapl feels like old redhat, constantly searching the web for rpm files and dependencies to get stuff to work. Hopefully moving forward drupal gets better as far as module dependencies, etc. At least for some of the |
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| 22:26.07 | jhutchins | mo1991: I've been using Drupal since 4.x and haven't found it to be anything like that. |
| 22:26.31 | jhutchins | mo1991: I use the direct install and internal update tracking, and it's more up-to-date than the debian packages. |
| 22:27.26 | jhutchins | mo1991: Converting the modules to .deb packages would let dpkg track them, but since the update info comes directly from Drupal it wouldn't matter either way. |
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| 22:27.55 | mo1991 | jhutchins - I'm new to druapl so perhaps I'm doing newbie things. it just seems that most of the modules I install then need a bunch of dependencies, and then some of those have dependencies, and its a big search. I agree that once everything is set it's easy to update. |
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| 22:28.25 | jhutchins | mo1991: My site notifies me via emails sent from the cron maintenance. |
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| 22:28.31 | mo1991 | my comment was more how debian automatically pulls dependencies, and in drupal you have to search for them and manually install. |
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| 22:28.48 | jhutchins | mo1991: What kind of dependencies? |
| 22:29.12 | jhutchins | mo1991: Other modules, or things like PHP extensions and outside programs? |
| 22:29.25 | Okee | nkuttler> I think I discovered a problem. I am getting an error message indicating that I have broken packages, and unmet dependencies. msg also indicates that my evince-common is too old, but can't update due to broken package. |
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| 22:30.01 | mo1991 | jhutchins - for example, I have video and music players installed. and picture viewers. so for example the picture viewer may need lightbox installed for it to work. So you first need to install lightbox. Most modules have dependencies on other modules I've found. |
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| 22:30.06 | chris__112 | !tell chris__112 about bat |
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| 22:30.23 | mo1991 | jhutchins - I will get the email notification set up properly and just keep things how they are. |
| 22:30.30 | nkuttler | !tell chris__112 about selftell |
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| 22:31.27 | mo1991 | that's what I meant by having to do the old "search for dependencies" that debian makes so easy |
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| 22:34.16 | DammitJim | I have a java process that is taking up all the CPU |
| 22:34.26 | DammitJim | what can I use to figure out what is causing that? |
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| 22:34.40 | Nik05 | blame oracle |
| 22:35.27 | l8star__ | true but still better than MS |
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| 22:36.01 | Nik05 | or maybe you should give us some more information DammitJim |
| 22:36.07 | DammitJim | sure, guys |
| 22:36.22 | DammitJim | (I don't know what the developers have written, though) |
| 22:36.25 | DammitJim | but this is what I know: |
| 22:37.00 | DammitJim | top shows pid 30775 as the offender |
| 22:37.23 | DammitJim | ps aux | grep 30775 shows the process (earlier the developer said to just restart the service) |
| 22:37.27 | DammitJim | which obviously didn't do much |
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| 22:38.41 | DammitJim | Nik05, I honestly don't know what else to say |
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| 22:39.41 | Okee | Problems with evince: http://paste.debian.net/81773/ |
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| 22:40.25 | nkuttler | ,v evince |
| 22:40.26 | judd | Package: evince on i386 -- squeeze: 2.30.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.30.3-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.4.0-3.1; jessie: 3.10.0-2; sid: 3.10.0-2 |
| 22:40.37 | nkuttler | Okee: welcome to testing |
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| 22:40.58 | Nik05 | DammitJim what program is it even? |
| 22:41.04 | Okee | nkuttler> I do not want to run testing. I am trying to keep everything Debian stable. Is Evince testing? |
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| 22:41.15 | nkuttler | Okee: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 22:41.30 | Nik05 | do we got a frankenstein? :D |
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| 22:42.36 | Okee | nkuttler> Does Evince use Lib6? It says wheezy: http://paste.debian.net/81774/ |
| 22:42.53 | Nik05 | oh help |
| 22:43.03 | nkuttler | ,v libc6 |
| 22:43.04 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.17-97; sid: 2.17-97; experimental: 2.18-0experimental1 |
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| 22:43.13 | nkuttler | Okee: no, you have libc from testing |
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| 22:43.22 | nkuttler | Okee: you're not running stable |
| 22:43.42 | Okee | nkuttler> I will remove libc. |
| 22:43.56 | Nik05 | dont |
| 22:43.56 | nkuttler | Okee: doubtful |
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| 22:44.12 | chris__112 | Okee, you might not wanna do that ;) |
| 22:44.15 | Nik05 | Okee did you change /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 22:44.17 | Okee | nkuttler> I did a whereis and only find a man page for libc |
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| 22:44.33 | nkuttler | Okee: libc6 is used by.. basically.. everything |
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| 22:45.15 | chris__112 | is it to late to ask if a backup exists? |
| 22:45.22 | Okee | Nik05> About a week ago, one of the sources in /etc/apt was accidentally changed to unstable, which may have contributed to the problem. The source was removed. |
| 22:45.32 | nkuttler | Okee: too late |
| 22:45.34 | Nik05 | well there you go |
| 22:45.45 | nkuttler | Okee: your options are to reinstall, or restore a backup. i'd do the former |
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| 22:46.11 | Okee | nkuttler> What about just fixing the dependency for this one program? |
| 22:46.30 | nkuttler | Okee: there's no point in installing a stable evince if you run unstable |
| 22:47.03 | nkuttler | Okee: or third option, change your sources.list to testing and install evince from there |
| 22:47.04 | Nik05 | Okee how did you even change it "accidently" to unstable? |
| 22:47.11 | Okee | nkuttler> Evince is not currently installed at all. I attempted to run the apt-get purge, but it didn't remove the directory or its subfolders. |
| 22:47.15 | chris__112 | what happens if he switches to testing and just sits it out? is that an option? |
| 22:47.16 | nkuttler | (assuming testing/sid are compatible right now) |
| 22:47.34 | chris__112 | what happens if your packages are older than what is in testing? and than update? |
| 22:47.45 | nkuttler | Okee: yes, so it's not installed |
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| 22:47.58 | Okee | Nik05> a program from sid was installed by accident, and SID is inherently unstable. I have since removed the source, and the program. |
| 22:48.25 | Nik05 | how by accident? :S |
| 22:48.27 | nkuttler | Okee: your entire Debian system has been upgraded |
| 22:48.33 | centrx | LOL |
| 22:48.36 | Nik05 | dont put unstable in source.list if you are running stable |
| 22:49.18 | chris__112 | that's why it's called bleeding etch. the first cut is the deepest. |
| 22:49.20 | Okee | nkuttler> I am aware of the problem, but have taken steps to fix it. |
| 22:49.29 | nkuttler | Okee: no, it's not fixable |
| 22:49.31 | nkuttler | !downgrade |
| 22:49.31 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 22:49.58 | Nik05 | chris__112: edge |
| 22:50.02 | nkuttler | Okee: really, just reinstall if you want to run stable |
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| 22:50.21 | Okee | nkuttler> I do not want to reinstall, and just want to fix this one package. |
| 22:50.22 | chris__112 | don't know if it is any comfort to you but i have been down that road and messed up my libc6. it would have saved me the time to get right into reinstall. but you don't want to believe it when you're there. |
| 22:50.51 | chris__112 | Nik05, i knew i could need a good edge to etch my boards |
| 22:50.51 | nkuttler | Okee: apt-get install apt-show-versions; apt-show-versions | grep -E 'testing|unstable' |
| 22:50.55 | Okee | chris_112> It isn't an option at the moment, due to projects that are being worked on. |
| 22:51.55 | Nik05 | nkuttler he probably cant install apt-show-version :P |
| 22:51.58 | chris__112 | Okee, well you have basically replaced one of the most basic libraries in your system with an unstable one. |
| 22:52.03 | nkuttler | Nik05: aye |
| 22:52.23 | Okee | chris_112> I already know that, and just want to fix this one package......... |
| 22:52.35 | nkuttler | you can't upgrade libc6 to testing right now without pulling in everything else, can you? |
| 22:52.49 | nkuttler | Okee: run the command i gave you |
| 22:52.54 | chris__112 | can't you save your home directory to external storage and reinstall. it's not so hard after all. |
| 22:53.14 | chris__112 | save your /etc for configurations and a list of installed programs |
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| 22:53.23 | nkuttler | Okee: we've probably all already been at your place. reinstall is the fastest/safest option |
| 22:53.43 | ksuhku | ^ the ugly truth |
| 22:53.43 | Nik05 | Okee: its not just one package anymore |
| 22:53.47 | jhutchins | Experience is proportional to data destroyed. |
| 22:53.52 | Nik05 | oh i was scrolled up... |
| 22:53.59 | Okee | The world is doomed..... |
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| 22:54.09 | Okee | My computer is unstable...... |
| 22:54.15 | ksuhku | !pieces |
| 22:54.15 | dpkg | i heard sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 22:54.43 | jhutchins | ... except for those pieces which mysteriously vanish. |
| 22:54.45 | chris__112 | Okee, did you do any development? did you install something to /var/... or did you only work in your user directory? |
| 22:55.01 | xmetal | wow |
| 22:55.16 | xmetal | DARK clouds and storms here studdenly |
| 22:55.20 | xmetal | er thats not even a word |
| 22:55.24 | xmetal | suddenly, lol |
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| 22:56.12 | Nik05 | huh apt-show-version doesnt show any unstable package :S |
| 22:56.19 | chris__112 | is sid really that bad? isn't it an option to wait if your problem doesn't get fixed the next two days and then upgrade. and until you finish your work not upgrade any more there after? |
| 22:56.43 | Nik05 | nope its not that bad for a personal computer |
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| 22:57.07 | nkuttler | running sid is for fun, not for work |
| 22:57.30 | chris__112 | had arch running quite some time on my notebooks. gave me much less trouble than ubuntu :) |
| 22:57.30 | Nik05 | yep you are so happy when something finally breaks :) |
| 22:58.04 | xmetal | uh oh |
| 22:58.09 | nkuttler | like when you can't boot, and have to boot the old etch system to fix your main partition.. |
| 22:58.09 | xmetal | better logout soon |
| 22:58.11 | abrotman | chris__112: it can be |
| 22:58.34 | chris__112 | it's all about the community. chances are someone experienced the problem you do if there are a lot of users and has a workaround. |
| 22:58.35 | abrotman | There have been bugs that have wiped entire systems |
| 22:58.39 | xmetal | i have to say after a few hours of messing with debain in VB (Virtualbox) i like it |
| 22:58.45 | chris__112 | that's why debian is great as well |
| 22:59.04 | xmetal | wow @ nearly pitch black here now and alot of red on the local radar .. uh oh |
| 22:59.18 | nkuttler | xmetal: try #debian-offtopic |
| 22:59.54 | chris__112 | apt is awesome. started with some suse 5.don't know |
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| 23:09.41 | sharkman | INCOMING TOR ATTACK FROM ME |
| 23:09.48 | sharkman | lol jk |
| 23:10.13 | sharkman | i have a question. i just debian on my computer |
| 23:10.18 | sharkman | and the sound isnt working |
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| 23:11.31 | sharkman | i have intel C210 card |
| 23:11.36 | sharkman | and i already used alsamixer |
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| 23:12.02 | mo1991 | does it show up in lspci? |
| 23:12.11 | sharkman | yes |
| 23:12.19 | mo1991 | but not in alsamixer |
| 23:12.20 | mo1991 | ? |
| 23:12.27 | sharkman | it is in alsamixer too |
| 23:12.32 | sharkman | alsamixer shows volume |
| 23:12.51 | mo1991 | do you have more than one soundcard? aka a pci card and a built in one? |
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| 23:13.25 | sharkman | can i copy paste the output i get from lspci here? |
| 23:13.34 | mo1991 | use pastebin |
| 23:13.39 | sharkman | k |
| 23:14.08 | sharkman | http://pastebin.com/Cur9Vk1d |
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| 23:15.03 | mo1991 | looks like you only have one soundcard is that correct? |
| 23:15.31 | sharkman | mo1991 i would guess so |
| 23:15.31 | sharkman | i didnt add one |
| 23:15.37 | abrotman | !enter |
| 23:15.37 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 23:16.36 | sharkman | sorry for hitting enter |
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| 23:17.36 | mo1991 | sharkman, by default debian uses pulseaudio - runs on top of alsa. installing pavucontrol gives you more control of the pulse audio stuff, and may show that you have an output muted, etc in pulse audio |
| 23:17.41 | sharkman | hey good news guys my friend helped me fix it!! he said to do sudo alsactl init |
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| 23:17.58 | mo1991 | good deal |
| 23:18.05 | sharkman | thanks mo. it is working now :) |
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| 23:20.09 | Okee | Okee, I fixed the evince problem by removing evince-common, and then installing evince. |
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| 23:22.41 | dgarstang | So... I'm trying to work out how to use apt-proxy here... |
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| 23:23.47 | maroloccio | does a packagename-dev package have everything a packagename-dbg package has, plus more? |
| 23:23.51 | dgarstang | With apt-proxy, what service runs? I can't find one. |
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| 23:27.06 | ksuhku | maroloccio, no |
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| 23:28.05 | mo1991 | is there a way to make xscreensaver show the lock screen prompt for password on all monitors? I have 4 monitors in different rooms - and the xscreensaver prompt for password or switch user only prompts on main screen. using 4 seperate x servers for 4 monitors |
| 23:28.48 | maroloccio | ksuhku: how do i understand pname vs pname-dbg vs pname-dev ? |
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| 23:29.58 | Jobbe | heh |
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| 23:40.55 | Okee | Well this is the latest saga on evince: http://paste.debian.net/81785/ |
| 23:41.11 | Okee | Evince will not open up at the command line, and it indicates there is an error. |
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| 23:42.47 | nabblet | Okee: ls /usr/lib/evince/ |
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| 23:43.57 | Okee | nabblet> a green directory called evinced shows up after doing ls /usr/lib/evince/ |
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| 23:44.20 | nabblet | Okee: ls -al /usr/lib/evince/ |
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| 23:44.37 | nabblet | Okee: copy & paste the output to me via /msg |
| 23:44.47 | nkuttler | are you really supposed to run pulseaudio from your user session? that means that audio playback stops when the x session ends... feels like gnome 1 |
| 23:45.11 | Jobbe | ahh my macbook runs flawless =D |
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