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| 00:15.00 | mrdeb | hi |
| 00:15.09 | mrdeb | is iceweasel 24.2 a lot better than 20 |
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| 00:24.21 | nkuttler | it's 4.2 better |
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| 00:28.12 | doublehp | dpkg error message: http://fpaste.org/76753/13922512/ what does it mean ? |
| 00:28.13 | dpkg | doublehp: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
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| 00:28.59 | astrophil | im setting up debian from bodhi linux, does anyone have any experience doing this? |
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| 00:29.56 | Okee | what is a good filter for showing which files are installed for a package? |
| 00:30.02 | astrophil | im trying to add partitions but its telling me i cant when there are active partititoins |
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| 00:31.32 | doublehp | Okee: define filter |
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| 00:31.49 | Okee | doublehp> Something like grep |
| 00:32.07 | astrophil | its telling me to unmount or swapoff all partitions, is this a good idea? |
| 00:32.11 | doublehp | Okee: why would you want to grep on that ? |
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| 00:32.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Okee about apt-file |
| 00:32.54 | Okee | Some strange things are going on with evince, and I am not certain it is my computer. There are some posts in Ubuntu about the evince error, but I am wondering if this is because my system got converted to testing by mistake? |
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| 00:33.17 | abrotman | doublehp: pastebin 'dpkg --configure -a" |
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| 00:33.40 | Okee | abrotman> So apt-file is mainly beneficial for packages already installed? |
| 00:34.02 | doublehp | abrotman: http://fpaste.org/76755/51636139/ |
| 00:34.19 | abrotman | Okee: it can do both, use dpkg -S path/to/file for installed packages |
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| 00:34.30 | abrotman | doublehp: you're mixing versoins of Debian |
| 00:34.31 | doublehp | Okee: what's wrong with dpkg -l or -L ??? |
| 00:34.44 | abrotman | it's -L |
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| 00:34.48 | abrotman | -l does something else |
| 00:34.59 | astrophil | so should i unmount/swapoff the partitions anyone? |
| 00:34.59 | abrotman | Okee: dpkg -L pkgname , will show files for a single package |
| 00:34.59 | Okee | ok. Thanks. |
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| 00:35.27 | doublehp | abrotman: I more often want to know which package owns a given file |
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| 00:35.41 | doublehp | -S |
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| 00:36.16 | abrotman | doublehp: that's dpkg -S |
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| 00:36.28 | Okee | ok, the 4 directory is now showing up, but this is after the program was uninstalled: http://paste.debian.net/81795/ |
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| 00:36.42 | doublehp | abrotman: this does not fix my kernel issue. I want to install any FTPd server; all want to update libc6. Libc6 want refuses to install on 2.6.24 and ask for a kernel update. Kernel update ... does this. |
| 00:37.39 | doublehp | Okee: learn to read before you paste |
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| 00:39.08 | abrotman | doublehp: you're mixing versions of Debian ... I"m not sure what else you want to know .. If you want a kernel from wheezy, use wheezy |
| 00:39.17 | doublehp | abrotman: it's libc6 who told me to re-add lenny line |
| 00:39.28 | abrotman | Okee: dpkg -S bin/evince |
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| 00:39.58 | doublehp | in order to be able to update my kernel; but then, the proposed kernel are all older than the ones I already have. I just don't understand what apt wants me to do |
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| 00:40.42 | doublehp | abrotman: i want to install any ftp server |
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| 00:44.18 | abrotman | doublehp: pastebin your (cat /etc/apt/sources.list ; apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 ) .. bbiaf |
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| 00:44.39 | bt6 | For some reason, some programs such as XChat are crashing randomly. Here is the error I get: http://pastebin.com/7sy8yV4W Can anyone help? |
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| 00:46.13 | doublehp | abrotman: http://slexy.org/view/s2P5dpGHVQ |
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| 00:47.31 | doublehp | bt6: some ... using network, or X ? |
| 00:47.52 | doublehp | bt6: dmesg usually helps |
| 00:50.19 | bt6 | doublehp: X I think. http://pastebin.com/FZ0BcJry |
| 00:51.03 | doublehp | bt6: find a way to dump syslogs to your vt12; there are many ways; 2 in inittab: -- 12:2345:respawn:/usr/bin/openvt -c 12 -w tail -f /var/log/syslog -- or -- tail:2345:respawn:/usr/bin/tail -f /var/log/syslog >>/dev/tty12 -- or use a safer syslog modification: /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf => destination console_all { file("/dev/tty12"); }; |
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| 00:51.34 | doublehp | bt6: i always have my syslog in tty12 on all my computers. and xlog in an other one (may vary) |
| 00:52.17 | doublehp | bt6: disk is disconnected: someone is dead. Either the disk, or the controller (both happened to me). |
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| 00:52.37 | bt6 | The terminal output of XChat crashing isn't enough to know what's wrong? |
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| 00:53.32 | doublehp | bt6: are you using a USB disk as / ??? |
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| 00:54.15 | bt6 | doublehp: No. The computer just has a regular harddrive where the system is installed. |
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| 00:55.59 | Okee | abrotman> I am still having problems accessing the triggers file. I give up: http://paste.debian.net/81799/ |
| 00:56.32 | abrotman | Okee: moment |
| 00:56.39 | doublehp | bt6: if the app crashes, you should have a core dump (depending on your kernel conf). If the app is killed by the kernel (like is missing RAM), this is mentionned in syslog. Start xchat from console, even if you don't get the cord dump file, you will at least have a reason on the console log: core dump, or segfault. Then you can start digging in the right direction |
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| 00:57.23 | abrotman | Okee: dpkg -l | grep evince ? |
| 00:57.36 | abrotman | doublehp: right, you're using wheezy |
| 00:57.53 | abrotman | doublehp: apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade .. says what ? |
| 00:58.02 | abrotman | bt6: please pastebin your sources.list |
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| 00:58.35 | Okee | abrotman> Still same result: http://paste.debian.net/81800/ |
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| 00:59.43 | bt6 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/cmYATvcU |
| 00:59.56 | doublehp | bt6: that's why my X is started from a console, so that all error message from all apps come out somewhere I can see them. I don't start X manually everyday, but from rc.local, and redirect all output to tty2. When any app crashes, i jump to tty2, and see the crash reason and log at once. If there was a kernel issue, i can see it in tty12. Otherwise, in most cases, the crash log is lost (because x.log only contains logs from the X server , and no |
| 01:00.08 | Okee | I am taking a different approach. Since some of the problems files had evince inside the file name, and removing *evince*, to get them all. |
| 01:00.21 | doublehp | abrotman: update is fine. dist-upgrade is out-of-order. |
| 01:00.29 | abrotman | bt6: Which distro are you using ? |
| 01:00.37 | abrotman | doublehp: that's not helpful .. need more info |
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| 01:01.31 | doublehp | abrotman: asks me to retry with -f ... |
| 01:01.40 | bt6 | abrotman: debian wheezy I think |
| 01:02.06 | doublehp | abrotman: in short: 499 upgraded, 322 newly installed, 18 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 6 not fully installed or removed. |
| 01:02.16 | abrotman | makes sense' |
| 01:02.18 | doublehp | abrotman: i don't want to spend the night on installing an FTPd |
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| 01:02.33 | abrotman | doublehp: your system appears to be half squeeze/half wheezy |
| 01:02.57 | xmetal | he/she has squeezy wheezy |
| 01:02.59 | doublehp | abrotman: my system was installed in 2005; I had to do some partial updates with time. |
| 01:03.02 | xmetal | (sorry ... .:P ) |
| 01:03.25 | Okee | abrotman> Ok, I got it working. What had happened is that sid unstable source installed some other evince programs, which had dependencies associated with evince. So by using the delete command with *evince*, I was able to get all of these programs, reinstall evince, and now it is working. |
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| 01:03.34 | abrotman | doublehp: that's nice .. I'm telling you why it's broken now .. |
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| 01:04.05 | abrotman | bt6: it looks like you've been mixing .. that testing source isn't wheezy .. do you have any pinning going on ? |
| 01:04.24 | doublehp | abrotman: do you really mean I have to do the dist upgrade to be able to ... install an ftpd ? |
| 01:04.41 | abrotman | doublehp: you can do anything you like .. I'm suggesting you shoulod |
| 01:05.02 | Okee | abrotman> SID was an accident and I wouldn't have put it in the sources.list file if i had known it was unstable. |
| 01:05.03 | doublehp | abrotman: so, is there a way to install any ftpd without that upgrade ? |
| 01:05.05 | Okee | Thanks for your help. |
| 01:05.32 | bt6 | abrotman: At one point I did, but I think I did a full upgrade to fix issues caused by pinning. |
| 01:05.41 | abrotman | that doesn't sound right |
| 01:05.48 | abrotman | doublehp: you can try using aptitude |
| 01:06.20 | doublehp | stupid me ... dpkg -i on ftpd worked :/ forgot to try this one :/ |
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| 01:07.18 | abrotman | right, keep using the broken system :) |
| 01:07.40 | abrotman | bt6: you still have a testing source .. |
| 01:07.55 | doublehp | abrotman: broken from #debian point of view; still, performs the services i need :) |
| 01:08.23 | doublehp | abrotman: port 21 now open, my users will be happy over night :) |
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| 01:10.55 | abrotman | doublehp: it's broken. every sensible person would agree .. |
| 01:11.11 | doublehp | I agree too :) |
| 01:11.51 | doublehp | but ... i can spend 36h to fix it now ... or ... delay that for an other day :) |
| 01:12.08 | abrotman | yeah .. what could go wrong |
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| 01:12.44 | bt6 | abrotman: I might be mistaken. I thought I had updated to a version and stuck with it. lsb_release -a is telling me I'm on wheezy 7.0. Currently testing is pinned as the highest priority though. |
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| 01:16.29 | mo1991 | I use separate x screens for several displays - and gdm3 and xscreensaver lock only appear on the primary display - I would like them to appear on all the displays so I can change user form any display. ANyone know how to do this? |
| 01:17.29 | doublehp | lighttpd issue: http://pastebin.com/znC5imvN accessing munin works, but grml gives 403, why ? |
| 01:18.29 | doublehp | fixed: missing perm on /home |
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| 01:34.36 | Hxxx | How to kill every graphical process related to gnome in debian 7 , but maintaining essentials without gui? |
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| 01:35.15 | abrotman | Did oyu install another WM or DE? |
| 01:35.23 | Hxxx | no |
| 01:35.40 | Hxxx | I just want to use the graphical whenever I needed it, then kill all and left a server running like apache |
| 01:36.34 | Hxxx | I did gdm3 stop, but I was left with processes like pulse? Network Manager, etc. |
| 01:36.43 | Hxxx | also no X running |
| 01:37.42 | abrotman | pulse and network-manager aren't dependent on X |
| 01:38.32 | Hxxx | exactly, but they stay there consuming ram. Thats why I'm asking, maybe you guys know a more efficient command or group of commands to just left services (server wise) running. |
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| 01:38.58 | centrx | Hxxx, It sounds like you want both a server and a desktop though? |
| 01:39.35 | abrotman | Hxxx: I think you're not asking for what you actually want |
| 01:39.49 | Hxxx | Well basically , I have this VPS with Desktop Debian 7 running. @centrx |
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| 01:41.06 | Hxxx | @abrotman, maybe, I want to be able to use graphical interface whenever is necessary, but also want to be able to kill all of it and just let run the server |
| 01:41.22 | Hxxx | running* |
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| 01:42.17 | centrx | Hxxx, You can stop services with "/etc/init.d/<service> stop". You can disable services with update-rc.d You can uninstall packages with apt-get or dpkg. |
| 01:42.29 | abrotman | Hxxx: you already killed it all .. again, you're not asking the right question |
| 01:42.40 | Hxxx | Here is what I currently do: Kill vnc related process, gdm3 stop, kill all the processes related to X and stuff like pulse... |
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| 01:43.37 | maroloccio | simple way to understand differences among package package-dbg package-dev? |
| 01:44.08 | Hxxx | @abrotman, You got me there. |
| 01:44.11 | centrx | maroloccio, package-dbg is the "debug" packages, with debug symbols compiled in (usually slower/bigger binary, but able to debug with tools like gdb). |
| 01:44.35 | centrx | maroloccio, package-dev contains the development/header files, for developing or compiling software the uses that package |
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| 01:47.38 | maroloccio | vimdiff <(dpkg-query --listfiles python-tk) <(dpkg-query --listfiles python-tk-dbg) |
| 01:47.43 | maroloccio | still don't understand |
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| 01:48.27 | themill | maroloccio: which bit? |
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| 01:49.35 | jonos | is there a list of webhosting panel support by debian 7 x64 ? |
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| 01:51.23 | maroloccio | themill: when i have plain dev dbg.. |
| 01:51.57 | jonos | mmm dpkg hates me lol |
| 01:53.00 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jonos about whcp |
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| 01:53.57 | jonos | ty abrotman but i used that list earlier and domain technologie control panel fails |
| 01:54.21 | themill | maroloccio: I have no idea what you are asking. |
| 01:54.27 | jonos | Dont use webmin i thought thats normally a reccomed panel |
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| 01:54.32 | jonos | recommended* |
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| 01:56.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi |
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| 01:57.43 | abrotman | your client seems broken |
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| 01:57.53 | leoleo11 | hello |
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| 01:58.22 | leoleo11 | i just installed the latest linux-libre kernel but it didnt apply to the system. How do i change kernel? |
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| 01:58.38 | abrotman | leoleo11: that's not a Debian kernel ? |
| 01:59.05 | leoleo11 | abrotman: its a kernel thats free |
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| 01:59.45 | abrotman | leoleo11: it's not part of Debian, ask the people that gave it to you |
| 02:00.18 | leoleo11 | mmm |
| 02:00.19 | leoleo11 | ok |
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| 02:01.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am in agin |
| 02:02.32 | abrotman | we can see that .. |
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| 02:04.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | weird irc stuff going on at home, apologies |
| 02:04.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | seems i am connected finally to freenode |
| 02:04.55 | abrotman | wiats for the disconnect |
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| 02:05.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | heh |
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| 02:14.26 | jonos | lol netslpit |
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| 02:14.31 | jonos | netsplit* |
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| 02:16.38 | jonos | wb abrotman |
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| 02:16.49 | jonos | wb everyone i think (maybe not) |
| 02:16.53 | abrotman | I didn't go anywhere |
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| 02:23.07 | leoleo11 | hello |
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| 02:23.19 | leoleo11 | how can i install stumpwm? |
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| 02:23.42 | leoleo11 | it says E: Unable to locate package stumpwm |
| 02:23.56 | themill | leoleo11: perhaps you could pastebin your sources.list for us |
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| 02:24.47 | leoleo11 | themill: i want to use only free software for squeez. which repos have only free software? |
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| 02:25.03 | dvs | squeeze? |
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| 02:25.57 | leoleo11 | dvs: yeah |
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| 02:26.41 | themill | leoleo11: perhaps you could pastebin your sources.list for us |
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| 02:28.42 | leoleo11 | themill: its here <script src="http://pastebin.com/embed_js.php?i=guNeUBsU"></script> |
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| 02:29.40 | leoleo11 | themill: http://pastebin.com/guNeUBsU |
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| 02:30.29 | themill | leoleo11: it looks like you want #gnewsense on irc.freenode.net. If you want debian, then please install debian and let us know if you've got any questions then |
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| 02:34.46 | leoleo11 | themill: gnewsense is based on debian squeeze. can you tell me how i can get the free debian repos? which one are those? |
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| 02:35.07 | themill | leoleo11: you want #gnewsense. "based on" does not mean "is compatible with". |
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| 03:07.02 | M4dH4TT3r | no it was a tool included with backtrack, used for hacking wifi not just scanning |
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| 03:08.27 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: Plesae stop lying |
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| 03:13.20 | dioz | i'm not sure if anyone in here will know specifically. but i'mma throw it out there. i have a cisco span port connected to a eth1 connected to a linux bridge |
| 03:13.35 | dioz | i also have a vm connected to that bridge, but hte only traffic it sees is multicast and broadcast |
| 03:13.38 | dioz | i'm not using ebtables |
| 03:14.06 | dioz | the vm is kvm |
| 03:14.43 | dioz | i connected my laptop to the port and popped open wireshark and tcp/udp traffic is there.... |
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| 03:16.07 | dz2 | is it possible to resize an ext4 partition without losing the data on it? |
| 03:16.13 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:16.19 | abrotman | dioz: is there an actual question ? |
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| 03:17.00 | dz2 | can I shrink the partition? |
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| 03:17.14 | dvs | dz2: he just said yes |
| 03:17.20 | dioz | OH, why don't i see all the tcp/udp traffic on my virtual machine but i can asee the multicast and broadcast traffic? |
| 03:17.29 | dz2 | to s size that will accommodate the existing data? |
| 03:18.06 | dioz | i would speculate that the switch would function in a manner that if it doesn't have the mac for the frame it dumps to all ports |
| 03:18.08 | jonos | has anyone tried a whcp on debian 7 x64 and actually got it to work without having to mod files and mess about installing extra dependcies ? ive tried 5 today and all have errors |
| 03:18.15 | dz2 | dvs, He could have only been referring to increasing the size... |
| 03:18.18 | dioz | or does it drop it? i know there's a aging policy for mac timing in the list |
| 03:18.28 | abrotman | the question was resize ... |
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| 03:18.57 | dz2 | so I am only allowed one question? |
| 03:19.16 | dvs | yes1 :-) |
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| 03:19.32 | dvs | !wb |
| 03:19.34 | dpkg | thanks, dvs. It's good to be back. |
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| 03:20.42 | dioz | dz2: check out the gparted live distro |
| 03:20.46 | dioz | it will have a tool to do what you want |
| 03:21.06 | dioz | http://gparted.org/livecd.php |
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| 03:38.29 | sors_ | i just updated to a new rt-kernel but was just wondering what the other files in the dir are? eg i know what patch-3.12.6-rt9.patch.bz2 but what is patches-3.12.6-rt9.tar.bz2 |
| 03:38.59 | M4dH4TT3r | anwser was aircrack-ng |
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| 03:39.15 | M4dH4TT3r | found ssome real geeks to answer... |
| 03:39.25 | jrock20041 | Running laptop that has two video cards. nvidia and intel. I can get two monitors working but not the third. Any thoughts or link? |
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| 03:42.12 | jrock20041 | Nvidia and intel video drivers are installed |
| 03:42.16 | ctmjr | jrock20041: is this an optimus laptop if it is you might ask in #bumblbee |
| 03:42.24 | jrock20041 | ctmjr: |
| 03:42.26 | jrock20041 | ctmjr: it is |
| 03:42.32 | jrock20041 | I will ask there |
| 03:42.47 | ctmjr | #bublebee |
| 03:42.56 | ctmjr | shit |
| 03:43.12 | ctmjr | one more time #bumblebee |
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| 03:46.04 | SwedFTP | ctmjr, A+ for effort. |
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| 03:47.03 | ctmjr | thanks |
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| 03:55.12 | dan__ | hey guys. any advice on why sound works on my computer (recently installed debian), but stops when i plug in headphones? |
| 03:55.56 | centrx | thinks dan__ is making progress |
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| 03:56.55 | centrx | dan__, Possibly plugging in headphones is supposed to redirect the sound output, but the headphone jack either has low volume or has no driver or something? |
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| 03:58.01 | abrotman | dan__: Gnome3? |
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| 03:58.44 | dan__ | abroatman, i dont think it's gnome3, i think it's lxfice or something like that. if you tell me how, i can check. |
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| 03:59.19 | sors_ | dan__ i know what it is -- just went through it |
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| 03:59.40 | dan__ | centrx, i don't think headphones need drivers? |
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| 04:00.39 | centrx | dan__, sors_ seems to know what it is |
| 04:00.42 | dan__ | what is it sors? |
| 04:00.45 | sors_ | dan__ run alsamixer and unmute or raise headphone volume -- some soundcards hold seperate volumes that alsa uses |
| 04:01.16 | dan__ | unfortunately i am in alsamixer and headphone volume is high. |
| 04:01.35 | sors_ | hmm and not muted |
| 04:02.10 | dan__ | there is an auto-mute option here in alsamixer, i disabled it |
| 04:02.24 | centrx | dan__, Check the bottom of the volume bar for headphones, does it say "MM" or "OO" |
| 04:02.30 | sors_ | does it have M |
| 04:02.57 | unclezipper | dan__, also see if you can enable any other volume controls. Some don't show up by default |
| 04:03.22 | dan__ | okay this is an interesting result: |
| 04:04.02 | dan__ | in alsamixer, if i unplug my headphones then master, headphone, spaker, pcm, internal, are all high...when i plug in headphones then the speaker bar immediately goes to 0 |
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| 04:04.29 | sors_ | that's what i said two volumes |
| 04:04.39 | sors_ | my laptop does that |
| 04:04.47 | dan__ | yes speaker has MM |
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| 04:04.55 | sors_ | there you go |
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| 04:05.04 | dan__ | oh sorry sors if i misunderstood. but now i am raising the volume on it, and there is no sound |
| 04:05.19 | sors_ | unmute |
| 04:05.36 | dan__ | how? |
| 04:05.40 | sors_ | click M in keyboard |
| 04:07.03 | dan__ | okay i did that, now the sound is coming from the computer, even though the headphones are plugged in |
| 04:07.20 | sors_ | mute speaker |
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| 04:08.36 | dan__ | sors, i can mute or unmute the speaker option, but sound is still not coming through the headphones |
| 04:08.57 | sors_ | you can enable better control by editing alsa -- just look up your card and write the rc file etc |
| 04:09.08 | sors_ | isn't that what you want |
| 04:09.35 | dan__ | no, i want sound from my headphones. i want to plug in my headphones, and listen to music through my headphones |
| 04:09.51 | sors_ | and the headphones and Master are up |
| 04:10.06 | dan__ | yup |
| 04:10.45 | sors_ | hmm check on #alsa -- but i am sure a web search on your card would find a solution |
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| 04:11.12 | sors_ | you may have to make a asoundrc file etc |
| 04:11.27 | dan__ | k thanks. even if i find the answer on a web search i may not be able to implement it though, or it may take me an hour. i am a novice hacker. |
| 04:12.09 | centrx | dan__, Research is the best way to advance! |
| 04:12.19 | centrx | Exploration |
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| 04:12.34 | dan__ | perhaps, but its already 11:30, and i need headphones to work so i can watch game of thrones soon |
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| 04:12.57 | sors_ | dan__ ask on #alsa |
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| 04:13.19 | centrx | I am afraid I cannot support that particular activity. |
| 04:13.59 | dan__ | why is that centrx? |
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| 04:15.47 | mersault | Same export options, same mount options on the client... heck, two of the mounts are rsync'd copies of the same the directory where one mounts cleanly and the other fails. |
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| 04:19.39 | sors_ | dan__ did centrx say why? |
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| 04:20.53 | dan__ | sors, no... but i joined alsa channel now, and no one is responding to me |
| 04:21.36 | centrx | I meant Game of Thrones |
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| 04:22.15 | dan__ | game of thrones is the best show ever thanks |
| 04:22.32 | SPF | !ot |
| 04:22.32 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 04:24.31 | dan__ | im trying to imagine the chaos but i am an old alone man staring into the chasm and cannot handle it. i will refrain from off topic discussions |
| 04:25.41 | SPF | sorry dan__, wish I could help but I have no experience with alsa |
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| 04:27.52 | dan__ | okay SPF no problem. i will probably be up until 2 AM trying to get these headphones to work :(. hope it gets easier for me using debian in the future. |
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| 04:29.11 | dioz | the answer to my question that i asked earlier was bridge_ageing 0 |
| 04:29.17 | dioz | so the bridge doesn't save a mac address table |
| 04:29.34 | dioz | cause it was seeing the traffic from the same port so it was doing what a bridge should do |
| 04:29.55 | SPF | dan__: maybe you can take a look at this: http://www.6by9.net/output-to-multiple-audio-devices-with-alsa/ |
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| 04:29.59 | dioz | that's why i couldn't see it on other "ports" of the bridge |
| 04:30.01 | dioz | DUH |
| 04:30.34 | M4dH4TT3r | SPF are you keeping a record of this? |
| 04:31.04 | M4dH4TT3r | I blame you for all my email being filtered as spam! |
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| 04:31.34 | dan__ | spf, interesting result, looks promising, i am reading now |
| 04:31.51 | SPF | M4dH4TT3r: ? |
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| 04:32.26 | M4dH4TT3r | nm SPF I was just thinking of SPF records when looking at your name... |
| 04:32.56 | SPF | M4dH4TT3r: ah ok, I'm not familiar with the term SPF records |
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| 04:33.56 | dgriffi | I don't know why I just now noticed this, but I found that if I'm using xterm, ssh to some other debian box, then start aptitude, the terminal gets corrupted. |
| 04:33.57 | M4dH4TT3r | when you run a email server it is the SPF record that makes it classified as not spam like a trusted authority cert |
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| 04:34.16 | dgriffi | this doesn't happen if I run aptitude in an xterm on the local machine |
| 04:34.43 | dgriffi | both machines are running Debian 7.4 |
| 04:34.46 | dgriffi | what's going on? |
| 04:34.50 | M4dH4TT3r | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework |
| 04:36.01 | maroloccio | sorry for asking again but what is the best way to encrypt an external usb drive please? (full disk encrytion?) |
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| 04:36.39 | Imbue | maroloccio: you can do it using luks |
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| 04:40.27 | zophy | is backtrack debian based ? |
| 04:40.35 | zophy | 'wait |
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| 04:40.48 | zophy | it's different now |
| 04:41.05 | dgriffi | anyone know why aptitude is behaving like this? |
| 04:41.11 | zophy | sloopmonger or something is it's name |
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| 04:41.36 | zophy | kleestro |
| 04:41.42 | zophy | klein |
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| 04:42.34 | zophy | abrotman, what is backtrack m=named now ? |
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| 04:43.40 | zophy | keestoelsessimo |
| 04:43.57 | dgriffi | anyone? |
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| 04:44.35 | zophy | oh, kali linux |
| 04:44.37 | zophy | ok |
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| 04:45.19 | maroloccio | echo 'deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free' >> /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get remove parallel; apt-get install -t wheezy-backports parallel; parallel --version |
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| 04:45.51 | maroloccio | ^^^ does not give me as recent a `gnu parallel' package as this (https://packages.debian.org/jessie/parallel) why? |
| 04:45.53 | zophy | we don't have a kali channel here |
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| 04:46.38 | centrx | maroloccio, Unfortunately, "parallel" is apparently not in backports |
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| 04:47.33 | maroloccio | that's what i noticed when i looked at https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/allpackages |
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| 04:48.14 | dgriffi | can anyone here help me with this screen corruption problem in aptitude? |
| 04:49.00 | maroloccio | centrx: what do you recommend i do? build from source? |
| 04:49.20 | zophy | So the first big change was platform -- from Ubuntu to Debian, coolness kali is debian ! |
| 04:50.11 | centrx | maroloccio, That is a good idea |
| 04:50.18 | themill | dgriffi: check that LC_CTYPE are the same at both ends (output of 'locale') |
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| 04:50.49 | themill | zophy: no, kali is not debian. If it were Debian it would be called "Debian" not "Kali". Try #kali-linux. |
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| 04:52.02 | themill | maroloccio: if you particularly need features of that new parallel then you'll have to make your own: /msg dpkg ssb; (btw there's also a parallel in the 'moreutils' package) |
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| 04:54.10 | maitake | hi. i'm new to debian (coming from ubuntu). i did a small netinst install and got i3wm up and running. i'm trying to set up some gtk theming, and noticed my home directory does not have a .local folder. is this normal? |
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| 04:54.49 | centrx | maitake, Only some packages use .local |
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| 04:55.13 | centrx | maitake, If you haven't installed or run them, .local may not exist. Packages that use it will create it themselves |
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| 04:55.28 | maitake | centrx: ah.. in that case. think it's safe to toss a gtk theme there? |
| 04:55.39 | centrx | Sure |
| 04:56.01 | centrx | you might want ~/local/ not the hidden ~/.local/ |
| 04:56.09 | maitake | hmm |
| 04:56.20 | maitake | i don't recall ever using a non hidden local |
| 04:56.32 | maitake | might just play it safe.. ubuntu is similar to debian anyhow |
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| 04:56.58 | dgriffi | themill: local machine has "en_US". remote machines have "en_US.UTF-8" |
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| 04:57.12 | dgriffi | themill: trying to figure out how to change this |
| 04:57.42 | themill | dgriffi: is the local machine debian? |
| 04:57.50 | dgriffi | all of them are debian |
| 04:57.59 | themill | dgriffi: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" on the local machine and correct its locales. |
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| 04:59.16 | dgriffi | themill: okay.. will a reboot be necessary now? |
| 04:59.56 | themill | dgriffi: is the output of "locale" fixed now? |
| 05:00.28 | dgriffi | nope. it still returns en_US |
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| 05:01.48 | themill | dgriffi: setting LANG and LANGUAGE in your current shell ("source /etc/default/locale") is probably enough -- you could do that and check that "locale" is now fixed |
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| 05:02.49 | dgriffi | themill: okay, now locale is returning en_US.UTF-8 |
| 05:02.59 | themill | \o/ |
| 05:03.21 | dgriffi | themill: what confuses me most about this is why did it just now show up? |
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| 05:04.21 | dgriffi | ...and aptitude on the remote systems is still corrupted |
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| 05:09.04 | mersault | anyone interested in helping crack an nfs problem that's got me stumped? I have clients that won't mount an export claiming that there's a stale nfs handle, which doesn't really make sense since the client hasn't even mounted the export yet. how can it be stale? |
| 05:10.06 | dgriffi | themill: .. and a reboot fixed things. |
| 05:10.48 | dgriffi | looking at the preseed file that generated the local machine... the locale is set as en_US... <shrug> |
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| 05:23.20 | g0g0 | hi |
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| 05:36.28 | mersault | anyone here running jessie running into nfs problems? |
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| 05:51.51 | viscera | is gufw a good choice for a laptop firewall tool? |
| 05:52.06 | vrkalak | yes |
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| 05:52.40 | vrkalak | I use 'gufw' with debian-sid |
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| 05:55.00 | viscera | vrkalak, cool. i'm running wheezy but it's the same version as sid |
| 05:56.21 | vrkalak | they often are |
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| 06:03.17 | maitake | i'm having trouble getting sound output using alsa if anyone is around to help |
| 06:03.50 | doebi | maitake: did you try turning it off and on again? |
| 06:04.06 | maitake | doebi: eat my words |
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| 06:04.23 | maitake | doebi: my random button mashing in alsamixer seemed to fix it |
| 06:04.24 | maitake | lol |
| 06:04.41 | prem | how can i configure a local proxy using squid for my standalione machine in debian |
| 06:05.10 | prem | actually i want to restrict few websites and monitor the visited sites for my other users in the same machine |
| 06:05.23 | prem | so how can i do that with squid in debian |
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| 06:50.46 | tiron | anyone ever have an encounter with these: │X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) |
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| 07:09.54 | BotaniCar | Only way i could think of is to use a standard method, and make a subscript picking latest ( by version) img file and doing a rebuild for that once a day |
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| 08:33.39 | RexInEffect | does anyone know of a good tool to create multiboot USB stick with Linux, windows and macosx installs on it? |
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| 08:34.56 | nabblet | RexInEffect: do you want to install the OSs on the sticck, or do you want to use that stick for installation? |
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| 08:35.24 | RexInEffect | i want to use the stick for installation of all 3 types of operating systems |
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| 08:36.28 | nabblet | RexInEffect: ok. i did this some loookng time ago: but basically, install a boot loader on the pen drive that can boot iso images. then put all the install images on the stick. done |
| 08:36.50 | nabblet | RexInEffect: that way you just need to add/remove images to get new install options |
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| 08:37.10 | RexInEffect | well im lookng for an installer thing to do it for me |
| 08:37.13 | RexInEffect | like YUMI |
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| 08:37.25 | RexInEffect | does it with most linux distros and gives a nice lil gui for it |
| 08:37.31 | RexInEffect | but dosn't support mac, windows and linux |
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| 08:38.31 | nabblet | RexInEffect: your request is somewhat special. it will be faster and easier if you do it yourself. let my try if i con find the instructions again. |
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| 08:38.39 | nabblet | RexInEffect: it's simple |
| 08:38.53 | RexInEffect | do it myself, what do u mean |
| 08:39.00 | RexInEffect | i think i know... |
| 08:39.11 | RexInEffect | this one? http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=18846 |
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| 08:39.55 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 08:41.16 | Nebukadneza | i'm just trying to get libvirt with virt-manager and remote management over ssh to work. to make things simpler i first wanted to try with virsh: virsh -d 4 --connect qemu+ssh://root@edward/ list -- this gets me a error: End of file while reading data: Input/output error. the internet seem to think that the usual problem is the user not beeing in group libvirt, but with root, thats rarely a problem, right? what could be wrong here? |
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| 08:42.38 | nabblet | RexInEffect: no, this is way to long. |
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| 08:43.11 | nabblet | *too |
| 08:43.18 | RexInEffect | you know a diff one? |
| 08:43.20 | RexInEffect | maybe? |
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| 08:46.32 | nabblet | RexInEffect: here is someone wo had the same idea and collected all solution he found http://tinyapps.org/blog/misc/201005080700_boot_any_iso_from_usb.html -BUT- iirc all i did was to install grub (takes, like 2 commands) and then copy over the ISOs |
| 08:47.10 | RexInEffect | grub |
| 08:47.55 | nabblet | RexInEffect: ah, i think this is it |
| 08:47.57 | nabblet | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-multiple-iso-from-usb-via-grub2-using-linux/ |
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| 08:49.13 | RexInEffect | yea i can add windows and mac but it says its untesded |
| 08:49.28 | RexInEffect | i was just seein if u guys knew of one that actually works with all three ops |
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| 08:50.37 | RexInEffect | im just gonna install ubuntu real quick then work on figure it out |
| 08:50.39 | RexInEffect | ill be back thanks guys |
| 08:50.53 | nabblet | RexInEffect: no need to isntall ubuntu for that |
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| 08:51.18 | RexInEffect | no... i just finish downloading it, i was planning on installing it already |
| 08:51.41 | RexInEffect | i just wanted to get all 3 onto the stick at once, since i am putting ubuntu on it now anyway |
| 08:51.44 | RexInEffect | for an install |
| 08:52.22 | nabblet | RexInEffect: yes i know. install grub on pendirve. copy iso images to pendrive. done |
| 08:52.36 | RexInEffect | dont u think that would be so nice to have a stick with windows 7, macosx ubuntu and arch on it all together? |
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| 08:52.44 | RexInEffect | and gparted |
| 08:52.55 | RexInEffect | ok |
| 08:52.55 | RexInEffect | thanks |
| 08:53.00 | RexInEffect | wait grub or grub2 |
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| 08:55.43 | nabblet | RexInEffect: know what, best thing is you head over the #grub (if they are on freenode) and ask |
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| 09:01.32 | RexInEffect | im going to test it out with yumi |
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| 09:01.48 | RexInEffect | looks like it uses syslinux |
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| 09:03.07 | RexInEffect | grub looks better tho cause it can have multiple partitions on the usb drive |
| 09:03.14 | RexInEffect | thanks, going to istall ubuntu ill be back |
| 09:03.16 | nabblet | RexInEffect: ok. |
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| 09:03.36 | nabblet | RexInEffect: as usual, Arch has excelent documentation. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#Booting_an_ISO_directly_from_GRUB |
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| 09:17.32 | klaxa|work | hi, i want to compile the libvirt 1.2.1 backport on wheezy to enable glusterfs as a storage backend. after compiling the packages require libc > 2.13.38, i must have missed to apply the backport specific patches. i can't really find a lot of documentation on the web, is there an elaborate guide on compiling backport packages? |
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| 09:33.22 | XposWinU | after installing debian 7.3 it says something like "[drm] GPU lockup...", should I use the non-free installation or is there another workaround? |
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| 09:38.15 | klaxa|work | hi, i want to compile the libvirt 1.2.1 backport on wheezy to enable glusterfs as a storage backend. after compiling the packages require libc > 2.13.38, i must have missed to apply the backport specific patches. i can't really find a lot of documentation on the web, is there an elaborate guide on compiling backport packages? |
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| 09:39.23 | themill | klaxa|work: libvirt is already in wheezy-backprots so perhaps you don't need to compile it anyway. |
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| 09:40.05 | klaxa|work | themill: it is not compiled with glusterfs storage backend support |
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| 09:40.25 | klaxa|work | i'm already running the pre-compiled backport package |
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| 09:41.04 | themill | klaxa|work: ahh. That dependency sounds right though. Why do you not like it? |
| 09:42.25 | XposWinU | anyone else come across this "drm GPU lockup" issue? |
| 09:42.37 | klaxa|work | why do i... not like it? you mean the libc upgrade? well the compiled package runs with the wheezy libc |
| 09:42.52 | klaxa|work | and the package i built from source doesn't so i must be doing something wrong |
| 09:43.06 | themill | ,v libc6 --release wheezy |
| 09:43.07 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u1 |
| 09:43.11 | themill | klaxa|work: ^ looks right to me |
| 09:43.34 | klaxa|work | yes, the packages require libc to be newer than 2.13-38 |
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| 09:43.40 | klaxa|work | as in 2.14 and up to 2.17 |
| 09:43.45 | themill | oh, I see. |
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| 09:44.06 | themill | You must have had a newer libc6 on the machine where it was compiled then |
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| 09:45.03 | klaxa|work | ah... why did i not notice? |
| 09:45.57 | klaxa|work | when i want to remove libc6 (which is 2.17) it will remove build-essential and all the other tools i need for compilation |
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| 09:47.20 | klaxa|work | i might have accidentally installed the backports libc or something |
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| 09:48.59 | armin | hi, what's a sane way to restore the original contents of /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default ? a purge seems not to do it. |
| 09:49.10 | themill | klaxa|work: there's no libc6 in backports and no you can't remove it. What's the output of "apt-cache policy libc6; apt-cache policy" there/ |
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| 09:49.42 | axel_foley | debian fixed the trim command in gfortran 4.7 :-) |
| 09:49.47 | axel_foley | yippieee |
| 09:50.01 | themill | armin: you need to operate on the right package (dpkg -S /path/to/file) |
| 09:50.07 | klaxa|work | themill: https://gist.github.com/klaxa/a89ced1df366becad177 |
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| 09:50.51 | axel_foley | but I installed parallel arch :( and arch seems to be nice .... from 2006 I am using debian, switched only one time to ubuntu for 2 years or so |
| 09:50.57 | armin | themill: thank you |
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| 09:51.56 | themill | dpkg: tell klaxa|work about not available |
| 09:52.06 | themill | klaxa|work: perhaps you could pastebin the output of that one too |
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| 09:52.49 | klaxa|work | themill: https://gist.github.com/klaxa/6a04e5ca0b41a1012c3a |
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| 09:53.15 | klaxa|work | those are all packages i have installed that are not tracked or something? |
| 09:53.19 | themill | yeah |
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| 09:53.25 | themill | you have an interesting mixture of wheezy and jessie/sid there. |
| 09:53.31 | klaxa|work | oh wow... i must have done something really bad then |
| 09:53.49 | themill | probably had sid in your sources.list and tried installing some things |
| 09:54.03 | klaxa|work | :S |
| 09:54.19 | klaxa|work | now i feel kinda dumb, i might just set up the machine anew |
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| 10:00.02 | klaxa|work | oh that might also explain why the other packages i built didn't exactly work |
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| 10:04.10 | viscera | so besides running "apt-file search /etc/modprobe.d" and praying things don't change later, how can i put my own *.conf files in /etc/modprobe.d without worrying that a package install/upgrade will clobber them? |
| 10:05.52 | viscera | the *.conf files from Debian seem to match package names, so i suppose i could name mine $EXPLETIVE-foo.conf ... but surely there's a better way? |
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| 10:07.49 | jelly | viscera: local.conf won't be replaced or packaged, afair |
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| 10:13.44 | viscera | jelly, i ended up calling it something like ridiculously-descriptive-file-name.conf --- but what makes you say that? i see that it seems to be a convention around the web, but do you know if it's formally documented anywhere? |
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| 10:17.34 | themill | klaxa|work: yeah, if this is a disposable VM then starting afresh would be simplest |
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| 10:20.10 | klaxa|work | yeah just doing a new netinstall, our template image might already be broken |
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| 10:20.22 | klaxa|work | thanks themill, i would have not found this on my own |
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| 10:21.06 | themill | no worries; feel free to pastebin "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg apt perl" after you've installed if you want it checked |
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| 10:40.52 | kakemo | ping? |
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| 10:42.30 | zakalwe | time zones |
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| 10:43.19 | kakemo | but we're something like 200 peoples o_O |
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| 10:46.17 | zakalwe | most of whom are probably asleep right now |
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| 10:47.52 | epsilon | or @work |
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| 10:49.16 | klaxa|work | or just idling... irc is 90% idling, don't forget that |
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| 10:50.43 | zakalwe | some of us are at work AND asleep |
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| 10:51.21 | overrider_ | And for some of us, sleeping is working |
| 10:51.31 | overrider_ | Umm forget that |
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| 11:01.43 | rook2pawn | is there a graphical client to control startup services? |
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| 11:04.52 | jelly | viscera: I confess I don't have any official reference |
| 11:05.22 | viscera | jelly, no prob... i didn't think it'd hurt to ask, though |
| 11:05.25 | viscera | :) |
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| 11:05.43 | jelly | it is somewhat unlikely debian would ship a package named "local" though |
| 11:06.07 | viscera | or apple-keyboard-function-keys-first.conf :-D |
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| 11:12.26 | viscera | anyone know a hack to get scrolling working in Nautilus' Compact View? |
| 11:12.45 | viscera | it works in Icons and List views |
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| 11:29.27 | bl4ckdu5t | Which Video converter ware is best for use? |
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| 11:31.27 | nevyn | 11:42 < bdale> K will be thrilled... |
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| 11:31.50 | nevyn | 11:42 < bdale> K will be thrilled... |
| 11:32.07 | nevyn | oops... |
| 11:32.13 | petn-randall | !best |
| 11:32.13 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 11:33.36 | rook2pawn | is there a recommended way to manage services? |
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| 11:37.40 | petn-randall | rook2pawn: discretely. |
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| 11:39.12 | jelly | rook2pawn: there's the "service" command or "invoke-rc.d", is that what you meant? |
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| 11:40.42 | rook2pawn | yes, i used service command to see what services i have |
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| 11:40.55 | rook2pawn | but for each one i have to google to see what it is exactly.. very clunky |
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| 11:41.14 | sgflt | is there an easy way to fake a Provides: httpd, so packages that depend on httpd do not pull in apache? |
| 11:41.20 | rook2pawn | and then i have to use insserv -r <servicename>, but it doesnt actually work |
| 11:41.42 | rook2pawn | for instance, avahi-daemon, which i dont use because i use a script for my wifi connection |
| 11:41.56 | rook2pawn | is always shown as [+] avahi-daemon |
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| 11:43.26 | rook2pawn | and i also get these LSB warnings whenever i use insserv |
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| 11:45.23 | rook2pawn | what i would like is someting that is graphical like rcconf that uses ansi codes and navigation |
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| 11:45.37 | rook2pawn | but that provides summaries of each service |
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| 11:48.35 | petn-randall | rook2pawn: avahi-daemon doesn't have anything to do with avahi. You can use 'dlocate /etc/init.d/<script>' to find out which package ships it, and then use 'apt-cache show <package>' to find out what the package does. |
| 11:48.46 | tomodach1 | does debian 7.2 contain the latest debian security paches as debian 7.4? |
| 11:49.21 | petn-randall | tomodach1: If you keep it up-to-date with your package manager of choice, it will be just the same. |
| 11:50.12 | tomodach1 | yeah im a bit confused since i saw som requirement from an antivirus software company being debian 7.2 |
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| 11:50.15 | tomodach1 | not 7.4 |
| 11:51.31 | tomodach1 | so ithought perhaps the 7.x releases are for kernel and drivers etc, not security stuff |
| 11:52.00 | rook2pawn | petn-randall: thanks. is there a way to automate that |
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| 11:52.57 | rook2pawn | i.e. forEach service, run dlocate, plug that result into apt-cache show, store the description, and use that description in a list of services on a machine that adds teh control like rcconf? |
| 11:53.34 | rook2pawn | err, did someone write rcconf with english language descriptions of the services? |
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| 11:54.06 | calrf | hola alguien habña español? |
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| 11:55.46 | petn-randall | !es |
| 11:55.46 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 11:56.21 | anonnumberanon | Why don't they make filezilla server edition for Linux lol? |
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| 11:58.55 | rook2pawn | is there a program similar to rcconf but provides text descriptions for each service listed? |
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| 12:06.21 | petn-randall | tomodach1: Debian 7.x is always wheezy, the point releases just bring updated installation images. |
| 12:07.29 | tomodach1 | then my reasoning was correct, i told them that if they require only 7.2 for the antivirus to work. they have a shitty product |
| 12:07.41 | petn-randall | rook2pawn: There's none that I know of. You could write a bash script that does the looking up for you. But why are the services bothering you? If you installed them, you probably want to use them most of the time. |
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| 12:08.19 | rook2pawn | so im looking at the #short-description of avahi-daemon |
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| 12:08.55 | rook2pawn | as in /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon file, contains a line #short-description |
| 12:09.07 | rook2pawn | totally different than the apt-cache show avahi-daemon description |
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| 12:10.15 | rook2pawn | i didn't install it, avahi is just always on |
| 12:11.08 | petn-randall | rook2pawn: Why should they be the same? The one is a machine-readable description in a few words, the other is a human-readable description in a few paragraphs. There's no claim to meet. |
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| 12:11.30 | rook2pawn | but thanks if there is not a program like that, i see no reason why i couldnt write one |
| 12:11.36 | rook2pawn | i just didnt want to write one if one already existed |
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| 12:11.47 | rook2pawn | i assume no one is going to be using systemd |
| 12:12.07 | themill | that would be a poor assumption |
| 12:12.08 | rook2pawn | for a few more years at least right |
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| 12:12.51 | rook2pawn | is systemd something that i can just drop into my current installation? |
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| 12:13.06 | themill | (and /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon has an identical short description to the avahi-deamon package: Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Daemon) |
| 12:13.36 | themill | rook2pawn: in my (so far limited) experience, yes |
| 12:14.00 | rook2pawn | (i am on kmuto squeeze backports fyi) |
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| 12:14.11 | rook2pawn | if that matters |
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| 12:14.47 | rook2pawn | i know systemd is meant to be placed into wheezy and beyond but its backwards compatabile with squeeze/sid? |
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| 12:14.51 | themill | systemd isn't in squeeze; it works fine in wheezy |
| 12:15.28 | rook2pawn | ah ok |
| 12:15.36 | darthpleigus | hi |
| 12:15.43 | rook2pawn | thanks im terribly uneducated regarding these matters |
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| 12:27.09 | Firefly42 | on a base install with openbox only and no screensaver i get a blank screen after a few minutes. how can i disable that, please? |
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| 12:29.39 | nkuttler | Firefly42: try xset -dpms |
| 12:29.49 | nkuttler | Firefly42: you probably want to fine-tune your settings though |
| 12:29.56 | Firefly42 | i tried that before and it did not have any effects |
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| 12:35.10 | lex|work | hey guys, I just installed KDE to have a look around (running sid) and now that I have uninstalled it and continued using i3, my fonts are broken. Anyone know why? |
| 12:35.19 | lex|work | my Xresources with font settings are being sourced fine |
| 12:35.20 | Firefly42 | are changes with xset persistent or do i need to add them to a config file? |
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| 12:40.48 | redondo | brguy, sorry, I asked yesterday for how openning .pp files and couldn't see answers because I had to go out. |
| 12:41.49 | Big_nobody | hi team, maybe you can help me to find in debian-kfreebsd something like "echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ; $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INTER_IF -j MASQUERADE " ? |
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| 12:42.54 | brguy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:43.19 | brguy | 16:22:02 <brguy> redondo: http://geuz.org/gmsh/ |
| 12:43.19 | brguy | 16:22:32 <brguy> that is what I found on google... I don't know how you searched for that |
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| 12:44.28 | brguy | redondo: But I thought gimp would deal with it. |
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| 12:50.23 | Firefly42 | on a base install with openbox only and no screensaver i get a blank screen after a few minutes. how can i disable that, please? "xset -dpms" and "xset dpms force off" have no effects |
| 12:50.30 | redondo | brguy, thank you! |
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| 12:51.26 | klaxa|work | themill: the compiled packages install now and don't require a new libc, thanks again :) |
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| 12:51.42 | themill | cool! good stuff |
| 12:52.10 | Big_nobody | hi team, maybe you can help me to find in debian-kfreebsd something like "echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ; $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INTER_IF -j MASQUERADE " ? |
| 12:52.19 | Big_nobody | and sorry for spam :) |
| 12:52.27 | Big_nobody | just removed joins parts :) |
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| 12:54.58 | redondo | brguy, as far as I can see none of those links has to do with post-processing file format (.pp extension). Thanks anyway. |
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| 13:00.57 | anonnumberanon | There is no /.local ? |
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| 13:01.07 | anonnumberanon | I'm looking at a Ubuntu guide |
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| 13:01.50 | anonnumberanon | I'm really just trying to find my notes so I can grep for things in them and this guide says they are in /.local/share/tomboy |
| 13:02.00 | anonnumberanon | Can I please get any insight on this? |
| 13:02.27 | brguy | redondo: good lucky |
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| 13:04.01 | anonnumberanon | After thought I deplore the fact I can't find the tomboy notes but it would seem what I am using is xfce4-notes |
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| 13:10.30 | atari314 | anonnumberanon: the . on the start of a file or folder means it's a hidden file or folder, just do an ls -a to see all files in your current location |
| 13:11.07 | atari314 | anonnumberanon: if you're using some file manager, you may have to look into its options to see how can you enable "show hidden files" |
| 13:11.15 | atari314 | if that's what you mean |
| 13:11.42 | RexInEffect | hey would someone type my name in chanel plz trying to test |
| 13:11.47 | anonnumberanon | yeah I'd rather do it from the command line to be able to use the grep command, but I do know of the hidden files sho3w option in my file folder browser |
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| 13:13.20 | anonnumberanon | RexInEffect, |
| 13:14.00 | RexInEffect | thanks |
| 13:14.32 | atari314 | anonnumberanon: the files are prolly on a different location 'en |
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| 13:14.57 | anonnumberanon | brb |
| 13:15.01 | atari314 | if you know the file name do a search: find /* -name "filename" |
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| 13:17.34 | jonos | hi can somone tell me a whcp they have succesfully installed on debian 7 x64 that functions correctly as i have tried several and they all have errors |
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| 13:18.23 | brguy | redondo: you need to understand it is a question more specific about this filetype or this kind of software than about Debian. You should search on some irc/forum related to it. |
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| 13:20.12 | ksk | ,versions youtube-dl |
| 13:20.13 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2013.12.04-1; sid: 2013.12.04-1 |
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| 13:23.28 | petn-randall | jonos: What is a whcp? |
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| 13:23.37 | jonos | web hosting control panel |
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| 13:24.40 | mallxs | Hi need some advice; for a job i need to start and stop a process all the time, the problem is; on start up that process grapes the the display. is there a way i can create a virtual display and attach that process to that display ? |
| 13:26.12 | ScarZy | mallxs: |
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| 13:26.27 | neongas | What is the correct way to use java libraries? How do I compile a Java program that uses the servlet API? (libservlet2.5-java is already installed) |
| 13:26.28 | ScarZy | What process exactly? Couldn't you just use tmux/screen to do the same thing? |
| 13:26.50 | forcer | mallxs: If you need an X server, xvfb might work |
| 13:27.16 | mallxs | Scr |
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| 13:27.54 | mallxs | ScarZy: it needs x to start, forcer: thx i will read in to that |
| 13:28.01 | ScarZy | ah sorry ;) |
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| 13:28.37 | mallxs | ScarZy: nop all hints are welcome |
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| 13:29.10 | neongas | I get "package javax.servlet.http does not exist" while trying to compile. There are several .jar archives in libservlet2.5-java package. Am I supposed to pass a list of them to javac each time using -classpath option? |
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| 13:29.30 | joj | neongas: you sure this belong into #debian |
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| 13:30.27 | neongas | joj: What is the recommended way to use Java libraries e.g. libservlet2.5-java? |
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| 13:33.15 | neongas | joj: I read the CLASSPATH environment variable is mostly ignored. |
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| 13:34.02 | ice9 | I have Android phone with ARMv6 and I want to run Debian on it |
| 13:34.28 | tomodach1 | ice9: dear god why?! :) |
| 13:34.59 | ice9 | tomodach1: so you have portable PC with you or you can run it as a server |
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| 13:35.43 | neongas | How do I add libservlet2.5-java to the javac system classes list, so that I don't have to use the -classpath option? |
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| 13:38.24 | themill | neongas: it should be in the default classpath |
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| 13:40.23 | neongas | themill: you mean the CLASSPATH environment variable? |
| 13:40.52 | themill | no, I mean the default classpath that the java virtual machine uses without any configuration |
| 13:41.14 | neongas | themill: so, how do I change that? |
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| 13:41.30 | themill | so that things aren't found by default? |
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| 13:41.53 | neongas | themill: so that more classes are available by default |
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| 13:42.19 | neongas | specifically those found in separate packages like libservlet2.5-java |
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| 13:42.31 | themill | they are already in the right place to be found |
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| 13:43.00 | Kobaz | soooo, why would my system boot seemingly normal but have no /dev entries for any drives/partitions (no /dev/sda whatsoever... but of course i can mknod it... but udev is behaving oddly) |
| 13:43.07 | ice9 | does ARMv6 still supported in the latest Debian release? |
| 13:43.31 | themill | yes |
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| 13:44.28 | neongas | themill: no, when I try to compile a Java program that uses the servlet API, I get "package javax.servlet.http does not exist". I want add libservlet2.5-java to the JVM's default classpath, so that I don't get this error. |
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| 13:47.38 | redondo | brguy, yeah. Thanks |
| 13:52.01 | jonos | dpkg tells me to read the manual on something ive read about so when i ask him to specify for that os is says RTFM |
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| 13:52.19 | neongas | Should I add symlinks in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-common/jre/lib/ pointing to .jar files of libservlet2.5-java? |
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| 13:53.55 | ksk | jonos: dpkg is just a bot |
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| 13:54.13 | abrotman | neongas: update-java-alternatives is probably what you want |
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| 13:55.29 | jonos | i know that ksk i was trying to get him to specify supported web hosting panels for debian x64 |
| 13:55.50 | jonos | the list on debian page i tried 7 so far and all have errors on install |
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| 13:56.48 | napcae | just dont use panels |
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| 13:57.06 | jonos | i need to for clients sake lo |
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| 13:58.37 | petn-randall | jonos: I'm not sure if any are packaged in Debian, so you best chance is to look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_hosting_control_panels and check in http://packages.debian.org which one is packaged for Debian. |
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| 13:59.36 | jonos | ive done that already petn-randall and the ones packaged for debian are the ones throwing errors |
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| 13:59.59 | napcae | then track the errors down and fix them |
| 14:00.10 | napcae | installing another panel won't solve the problem |
| 14:00.15 | neongas | abrotman: I don't intend to use external JRE/JDK. I am using the default openjdk-6. |
| 14:00.22 | petn-randall | jonos: What errors? My crystal ball is not working today. |
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| 14:01.48 | jonos | it would say cant install dtc-common say so then you would install dtc-common then it would say missing something else so you would try installing that until you got to the beginning but then would result back to point a install dtc-common installing the dependcies never actually installed |
| 14:01.55 | lecoeus | is it me or is there really no sound in skype with 64-bit jessie? |
| 14:02.10 | petn-randall | jonos: We support every package in Debian, so if one of them breaks on install, that is a serious bug that needs to be addressed. |
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| 14:02.36 | jonos | ok i will run the install again and come back with the errors |
| 14:02.37 | petn-randall | jonos: How are you installing them? Post the actual error messages to http://paste.debian.net. |
| 14:03.08 | me_ | Hi. How can I enable empty password login for a user in non gui environment ? |
| 14:03.27 | DammitJim | what do I need to do to set up my default web browser to be chromium? |
| 14:03.47 | DammitJim | update-alternatives --config www-browser says I have no options (and I have Iceweasel and Chromium) |
| 14:03.53 | phix | for i in me_; do echo "ssshhhh"; done |
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| 14:05.31 | me_ | DammitJim, I am not sure, but default browser sound more like something that should be setup using your de/wm configuration tool. But that's just a suggestion. |
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| 14:06.04 | jonos | ok this time i get Debian version not supported |
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| 14:06.14 | jonos | dont even let me run the install |
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| 14:06.55 | DammitJim | thanks me_ |
| 14:07.04 | Kobaz | so no one knows how to fix my udev? |
| 14:07.40 | phix | Kobaz: Not your udev, I know how to fice my udev though |
| 14:07.40 | petn-randall | jonos: You're still not providing any errors you're getting ... |
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| 14:07.46 | Kobaz | aw |
| 14:07.50 | phix | fix* |
| 14:07.53 | Kobaz | how do you fix your udev? |
| 14:07.54 | Kobaz | heh |
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| 14:08.41 | me_ | DammitJim, Np, hope this helps, by the way what de/wm are you using? |
| 14:08.47 | themill | jonos: you're going to need to be much more descriptive if you want people to help you. We can't see what's on your screen. |
| 14:08.53 | DammitJim | enlightenment |
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| 14:10.44 | jonos | has nano been remove in debian x64? |
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| 14:11.06 | jelly | ,v nano --arch amd64 |
| 14:11.07 | judd | Package: nano on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.2.4-1; jessie: 2.2.6-1+b1; sid: 2.2.6-1+b1; wheezy: 2.2.6-1+b1 |
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| 14:11.15 | jelly | jonos: no |
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| 14:11.30 | jonos | i just tried apt-get install nano and says not reconsized |
| 14:11.36 | me_ | DammitJim, No idea about E, google does not look like overflowing with info. I would try with the EL manual I guess. Good luck |
| 14:11.39 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 14:11.39 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:11.43 | petn-randall | jonos: ^^^^ |
| 14:12.53 | petn-randall | jonos: Could we stick to one problem per session though? You're just bringing up problems and ignoring any requests from us. At this rate we'll have zero problems fixed at the end of the day. |
| 14:13.14 | jonos | http://paste.debian.net/81888/ |
| 14:13.20 | jonos | problem with nano |
| 14:13.30 | jonos | i cant do whcp until i have nano lol |
| 14:13.35 | jonos | its the only editor i can use |
| 14:14.03 | petn-randall | jonos: Read it again. You're missing 'apt-cache policy' and the actual error message you're getting. |
| 14:14.22 | napcae | wants to serve clients, can solve his own problems. nice |
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| 14:15.41 | jonos | sarcasm really needed ? |
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| 14:16.02 | abrotman | neongas: i'm nto sure how your statement matters? |
| 14:16.16 | jelly | jonos: your "apt-cache policy" output suggests you do not have any debian repo mirror configured at all |
| 14:16.25 | jelly | jonos: which debian release is this? |
| 14:16.26 | petn-randall | abrotman: s/neongas/napcae/ ? |
| 14:16.27 | jonos | ive just realised that lol |
| 14:16.37 | jonos | im running apt-get update and upgrade also dist-upgrade |
| 14:16.39 | abrotman | petn-randall: nah .. from 10 minutes ago :) |
| 14:16.42 | jelly | petn-randall: "apt-cache policy" is there... |
| 14:16.43 | abrotman | petn-randall: Slow morning |
| 14:16.43 | jonos | i forgot on reinstalled as error fucked my os |
| 14:16.46 | jonos | last night |
| 14:17.10 | petn-randall | jelly: woops |
| 14:17.12 | jelly | petn-randall: "Read it again." |
| 14:17.15 | jelly | indeed |
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| 14:17.56 | petn-randall | jonos: Your /etc/apt/sources.list must be empty. Which release do you have? |
| 14:17.58 | chris112 | hi, how can i list all files one year and older. and finally delete them |
| 14:18.14 | jonos | i have 2 sources in my list and nano is installed now |
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| 14:19.42 | jonos | running the install now , i will paste errors once it completes. |
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| 14:25.20 | me_ | Why can't I find anything about iptables in init.d? |
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| 14:25.47 | colo-work | Intel's Haswell IGP doesn't work reliably with Wheezy's Xorg stack, right? |
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| 14:26.56 | vedranm | Debian's debate destroyed my ability to use the word system, today while translating some text a word system appeared and I instantly wrote d down after it, so systemd |
| 14:27.10 | DammitJim | lol... I was using www-browser instead of x-www-browser :) |
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| 14:27.16 | napcae | very doomd vedranm |
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| 14:27.41 | petn-randall | me_: iptables is a program to instruct the kernel to do packet filtering. You're probably looking for a firewall that builds on top of that, like shorewall. |
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| 14:28.20 | chris112 | me_: ufw is quite simple to use as well |
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| 14:29.32 | neongas | abrotman: I still don't get how to add the .jar files of libservlet2.5-java to the JVM's default classpath, so that I don't need to specify any classpath on the commandline or in environment var. |
| 14:29.57 | ksuhku | DammitJim, nice to hear other people do that too! |
| 14:30.25 | me_ | petn-randall, chris112 thanks for explaining. |
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| 14:31.12 | neongas | abrotman: how does update-java-alternatives help me to do that? |
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| 14:32.26 | sebastianlutter | I want to do some intrusion detection on my server. Can someone recommend a good log analyser (mailing me when something is conspicuous) and some software to monitor changes on the harddisc (something like md5hash all files, store the data elsewhere, and check it again on the server when I think something is wrong). Any hints? thanks |
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| 14:33.30 | petn-randall | sebastianlutter: Check out snort, logwatch and debsums. Though they won't catch all cases of intrusion. |
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| 14:34.28 | sebastianlutter | petn-randall: Thanks. No tool catch all cases . . |
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| 14:34.51 | redondo | brguy, ".pp" file extension stands for Python Pickle module, used for objects serialization. |
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| 14:35.07 | redondo | brguy, sorry for bother :) |
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| 14:35.28 | BobBarker | me_: iptables is controlled inside the network service, it usually gets added to one of the /etc/network/ files to do an iptables-restore |
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| 14:35.57 | BobBarker | me_: since iptables is just a kernel module that gets configured and isn't an actual daemon, it's not really a proper "service" and when it is in init.d it's just a glorified iptables-restore |
| 14:36.06 | chris112 | sebastianlutter, have you protected your system already? only necessary services? firewall only exposing needed ports. autoupdates. disable password logins. only most necessary services run as privilliged user... |
| 14:36.20 | chris112 | you know a lot of ways to take your paranoia for a walk :-P |
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| 14:36.38 | brguy | redondo: ahhh, this pp! I thought about raw image |
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| 14:36.58 | brguy | redondo: well, so use vim since it is the best editor of the world :-) |
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| 14:37.27 | chris112 | well i like vim my self. but let's count how many seconds till one votes emcas... |
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| 14:37.57 | ksuhku | EMAX! |
| 14:38.01 | sebastianlutter | chris112: yes, I know what security means. |
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| 14:38.46 | chris112 | etckeeper is nice to see if someone tempered with your configurations... |
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| 14:39.19 | sebastianlutter | Is there a debsum like Tool that works on all files on harddisk instead of deb packages? |
| 14:39.28 | wfq | hi guys |
| 14:39.34 | petn-randall | Ultimately, you can't check from within a system if logfiles/config got tampered with. etckeeper and debsums can be just updated to not show that any changes occured. |
| 14:39.35 | sebastianlutter | I guess that is what etckeeper does, roght? |
| 14:39.40 | sebastianlutter | roght = right |
| 14:39.58 | wfq | quick and probably annoying question. I am getting the typical libjava.so not found on my debian jessie amd64. In a attack of desperation I made a symbolic link from /usr/lib/jvm/jre7/lib/libjava.so to /usr/lib but yet I get the libjava.so error. I am on a DEbian jessie amd64. |
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| 14:40.20 | chris112 | clone your repository to an external machine. |
| 14:40.25 | wfq | I am not using openjdk any more |
| 14:40.33 | wfq | any idea please? |
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| 14:40.47 | petn-randall | wfq: jessie/sid are supported on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:41.25 | wfq | oh my good from java to debian and from debian to debian-next... pent-randall thanks |
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| 14:42.54 | brguy | chris112: ksuhku: hue |
| 14:43.07 | jonos | install problem with dtc-commom http://paste.debian.net/81898/ |
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| 14:44.57 | jonos | it got further than last time now there some loop error |
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| 14:45.22 | sebastianlutter | Does anyone uses tripwire for detecting file changes on server? Does it work well? Are there better alternatives? |
| 14:45.33 | Kobaz | tripwire is great for that |
| 14:45.46 | Kobaz | there's another one: fswatch |
| 14:45.57 | Kobaz | you can also use sfv for a really simple check |
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| 14:46.09 | Kobaz | but it doesn't have the security that tripwire does |
| 14:46.29 | Kobaz | encrypted initial database so it can't be tampered with (unless you know the passphrase/key) |
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| 14:47.02 | neongas | abrotman: found a solution: add symlinks in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-i386/jre/lib/ext/ pointing to those .jar libraries |
| 14:47.41 | redondo | brguy, yeah, that's mine (vim), though .pp files are binary. |
| 14:48.17 | sebastianlutter | Kobaz: ok, thanks. I'll go on with tripwire |
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| 14:50.15 | Kobaz | er whoops fswatch is mac |
| 14:50.23 | Kobaz | inotifywatch is the linux one |
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| 14:59.22 | wfq | sorry just realized I am on the stable version |
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| 15:01.54 | napcae | man dpkg |
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| 15:03.13 | oskie | ah found --force-conf* opts |
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| 15:06.47 | napcae | :) |
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| 15:12.54 | HD|Laptop | hey all |
| 15:13.06 | HD|Laptop | I need the deb package of php5-mcrypt in version 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 |
| 15:13.09 | HD|Laptop | how do I get it? |
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| 15:13.33 | jordanm | ,versions php5-mcrypt |
| 15:13.34 | judd | Package: php5-mcrypt on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze18; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u7; jessie: 5.5.8+dfsg-3; sid: 5.5.9+dfsg-1; experimental: 5.6.0~alpha1+dfsg-1 |
| 15:13.52 | HD|Laptop | I know its outdated |
| 15:13.59 | jordanm | HD|Laptop: why do you need the version without security patches? |
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| 15:14.24 | HD|Laptop | internal system anyway and I dont want to upgrade the stuff, its a nightmare already |
| 15:14.36 | jordanm | !tell HD|Laptop about snapshot |
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| 15:15.19 | jordanm | HD|Laptop: if +squeeze8 existed, it only existed when squeeze was still testing |
| 15:15.20 | HD|Laptop | thanks |
| 15:15.42 | HD|Laptop | yes, this system was set up quite a time ago...^^ |
| 15:16.19 | HD|Laptop | jordanm: hmm I found and downloaded the package but it needs libmcrypt4 |
| 15:16.53 | HD|Laptop | oh, forget what I said. FOr some reason it does NOT require to update the whole system to install it... |
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| 15:20.02 | brguy | redondo: I didn know that, thanks for the explanation |
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| 15:21.36 | anonnumberanon | atari |
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| 15:27.08 | petn-randall | HD|Laptop: Either way, if you not running squeeze or wheezy, but some crazy snapshot from when squeeze was still testing, you're on your own support and security wise. We don't support it here. |
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| 15:29.58 | anonnumberanon | How do you search your notes when you want to find information that has somehting you remember inside it like only a keyword, while using xfce4-notes??? |
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| 15:31.41 | jrock20041 | Is evolution still the app for exchange email? |
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| 15:36.12 | cityLights | hi all |
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| 15:36.36 | cityLights | I have 3.8 running, when I search for linux headers I see only 3.11 |
| 15:36.51 | cityLights | I seek to have the build dir in /lib/modules |
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| 15:37.03 | cityLights | so I can build a driver support from source |
| 15:37.07 | cityLights | what to do? |
| 15:37.11 | jrock20041 | Are you using stable? |
| 15:37.13 | xmj | build 3.11 kernel |
| 15:37.26 | cityLights | I am using the beaglebone |
| 15:37.26 | petn-randall | cityLights: What release are you running? 3.8 is in none of Debian's releases. |
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| 15:37.47 | cityLights | similar to the raspberry pi |
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| 15:38.18 | cityLights | I guess 3.8 was build for the board |
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| 15:38.31 | cityLights | so your advice is to rebuild it from source? |
| 15:38.52 | petn-randall | cityLights: You'll have to ask the manufacturer, this channel is for squeeze/wheezy support only. |
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| 15:39.09 | cityLights | I see |
| 15:39.12 | cityLights | thanks |
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| 16:02.51 | kamintears | hiya all how do i get a list of all available packages so i can grep on it? |
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| 16:04.52 | ice9 | I need debian wheezy image for armv6 |
| 16:07.17 | petn-randall | kamintears: What are you trying to do? |
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| 16:07.46 | petn-randall | kamintears: Debian has a lot of tools for package management that will get you to your goal faster than grep. |
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| 16:12.46 | kamintears | petn-randall: i searched packages.debian.org and found the name for gtk2 dev package to be libgtk2.0-dev which is what i wanted to know |
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| 16:14.04 | enriqueojedalara | kamintears, dpkg -l | grep <package> |
| 16:14.24 | enriqueojedalara | kamintears, apt-cache search <package_name> |
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| 16:15.43 | lotherk | am I the only one who thinks that exim4 on debian, with this update-exim4.conf and stuff, is the worst thing ever? |
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| 16:16.04 | abrotman | lotherk: then don't use it |
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| 16:16.16 | lotherk | abrotman: :) |
| 16:16.17 | petn-randall | kamintears: 'aptitude search' also has a powerful syntax. 'aptitude search ~dgtk ~ddev' would have probably found it for you. Or you could have search by debtags. |
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| 16:18.57 | lex|work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:19.17 | kamintears | ah, thanks :) |
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| 16:24.56 | user999 | How to proctect the computer from the "recovery mode" in grub2 which lets you in as root without even promting for a password? |
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| 16:25.16 | abrotman | in Debian? |
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| 16:25.25 | user999 | Yes. |
| 16:25.32 | abrotman | Remove it from the grub menu |
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| 16:26.01 | user999 | But what if I need it at some time? |
| 16:26.05 | armin | say i got 2 sessions on a server via ssh, one as root, the other as a normal user. is there any way to give root permissions to the user, except letting them log in again via ssh? |
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| 16:26.26 | abrotman | user999: then you leave it there, or you note how it is setup and edit the grub at the ocmmand line to do the same |
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| 16:27.05 | petn-randall | user999: 1) recovery mode prompts for a password. 2) You can override that by doing e.g. 'init=/bin/bash' also for the regular mode. So you'll have to set a grub password. 3) If anyone has access to the machine, they can just boot a live image and override any security mechanisms that aren't crypto. |
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| 16:27.58 | shibly | Hi |
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| 16:28.27 | basiclaser | today my #! started overheating and switching off |
| 16:28.29 | user999 | petn-randall: Ok, then I have no security at all since I'm stuck with the last option, namely other people... :) |
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| 16:28.32 | basiclaser | wat do? :( |
| 16:28.39 | petn-randall | !crunchbang |
| 16:28.39 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 16:28.50 | petn-randall | ^^^ basiclaser |
| 16:29.16 | basiclaser | thx |
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| 16:33.27 | Cyis | anyone have a USB Logitech headset? I have a H390 and it worked before I re-installed my laptop last night and I'm running out of things to try to get it working |
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| 16:45.09 | ello_govna | I've been trying to do a clean install of 7.4 with encrypted lvm but on first boot the system gives up waiting for root device and dumps me to initramfs. Does anyone have experience with this? |
| 16:45.21 | petn-randall | Cyis: Which release are you running? Does it show up in 'lsusb'? Are there any error messages in /var/log/kern.log? |
| 16:46.05 | Cyis | pavucontrol sees the Logitech headset on the Configuratin tab but it doesn't appears on the pull down menu for recording or playback and doesn't show on the input or output device tabs... |
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| 16:47.59 | Cyis | petn-randall: https://gist.github.com/jbouse/6ed54d1d572ab4bbfb22 |
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| 16:50.02 | gnugnu2_ | hi |
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| 16:51.03 | elichai2 | what is the big diffrence between ubuntu and debian? |
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| 16:53.51 | petn-randall | elichai2: They're different distros, just like Mercedes and Toyota are car manufacturers. Ubuntu takes some parts of their core OS from Debian unstable. |
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| 16:54.07 | petn-randall | !why debian |
| 16:54.08 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 16:54.54 | Cyis | petn-randall: the oddity is as I said it was working prior to the re-install and I didn't remember having to do anything to make it work other than using pavucontrol to set the device for the app (teamspeak, skype, chrome, etc) |
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| 16:58.45 | petn-randall | Cyis: Which release is this? |
| 16:58.55 | Cyis | 7.4 |
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| 17:00.03 | Cyis | previous was installed 7.3 and not sure if I had updated it since 7.4 was released |
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| 17:03.43 | Cyis | it's not specific to this hardware... just tried it on another 7.4 laptop and it didn't work |
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| 17:04.34 | anonnumberanon | Best ftp server? |
| 17:04.53 | petn-randall | Cyis: I don't think it's a difference between 7.3 and 7.4 since they just refer to the installation images. 7.3 + your regular updates will yield an identical outcome than if you had installed 7.4 directly. |
| 17:04.57 | petn-randall | !best |
| 17:04.58 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 17:05.05 | petn-randall | anonnumberanon: ^^^ |
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| 17:05.57 | anonnumberanon | hehe oops I forgot this was a definite wrong way to ask a question |
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| 17:06.17 | Cyis | only difference I can obviously see is the kernel and I've been going through the changelog to see if I could find something |
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| 17:06.37 | anonnumberanon | best ftp server to connect to it, that is possibly freedom software, that is fast, and that doesn't have to be secure but would be better if it was? |
| 17:06.39 | Cyis | I just tested on my old Ubuntu 10.10 system that is running my bitcoin miners and it works |
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| 17:07.06 | elichai2 | petn-randall, i meant is there any Advantage to ubuntu or to debian? |
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| 17:07.48 | dan2014 | I'm running Debian 7 and having trouble setting iptables with the following config http://pastie.org/private/u9rojiwtepcfosj0ma9hg . I get unable to initialize table 'filter |
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| 17:08.55 | JyZyXEL | what are some good things to do to limit a normal users access to the system if its only doing something like running a IRC client? |
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| 17:16.28 | dan2014 | anyone know why i keep getting 'ptables-restore v1.4.14: iptables-restore: unable to initialize table 'filter when trying to setup iptables |
| 17:16.46 | reciproqc | anyone here knows about ALSA and how to debug? |
| 17:16.50 | dan2014 | it doesnt like the line *filter , but the wiki has it in the config |
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| 17:17.44 | reciproqc | just setting up a good /etc/tasound.conf would help |
| 17:18.04 | Cyis | petn-randall: comparing the kernel config (config-3.2.0-4-amd64) I don't see where any changes were made though the changelog between 3.2.51-1 and 3.2.54-2 shows quite a bit just trying to identify any that affect USB, ALSA or sound |
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| 17:18.23 | hk3380 | why does apt-get update doesn't update my iceweasel? it's still v20.0 |
| 17:19.05 | reciproqc | petn-randall: what troubles do you have? |
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| 17:19.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell hk3380 -about bat |
| 17:19.59 | petn-randall | Cyis: I think you're debugging in the wrong direction. If you want to rule out the kernel, install the old one and boot into it. But for now I'm assuming it's because you reinstalled and your config is different to before. |
| 17:20.13 | hk3380 | i'm anxious to hear |
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| 17:20.44 | Cyis | petn-randall: I'm sshing into my 7.3 workstation in the office to compare configs.. the headset worked on it Monday when I was able to make it to the office |
| 17:20.58 | Brody_ | Hi, Im a MS windows noob. So far I have downloaded Debian DVD-1 and burned it. I have an old pc with vista installed. My goal is to wipe Vista off entirely and install Debian instead. My current understanding is that I will be presented with this option during the Debian installation. Is this correct? Ive never installed an OS before so Im just be careful double checking stuff in this IRC channel :) |
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| 17:22.48 | g00se | I had an abortive attempt to install Nessus (now gone) with dpkg and it seems to have left behind a massive load of Tex stuff. I normally use debfoster -e to determine what can go but this is not helping in this case. What would be a good way of purging text processing cruft? |
| 17:23.07 | JeffJohnson | anybody knows a multicast or broadcast capable snmp client? snmpget can send queries to broadcast adresses, but terminates after it received the 1 answer |
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| 17:24.05 | Cyis | petn-randall: I also have a backup of /etc from this laptop post-reinstall and haven't been able to identify any differences |
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| 17:26.16 | hk3380 | sudo apt-get install firefox |
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| 17:26.19 | hk3380 | oops |
| 17:26.36 | reciproqc | Brody_: heres my advice: Let her rip! |
| 17:26.49 | hk3380 | it's somewhat related to my question regarding how to fix iceweasel though |
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| 17:27.09 | reciproqc | or as Nikey would say, Just do it! |
| 17:27.26 | babilen | hk3380: Yes, please read the message our bot sent you in private and paste your sources.list and the apt-cache policy iceweasel output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:27.36 | reciproqc | you dont know anything about installing OS if you havent failed at it 100x |
| 17:28.37 | reciproqc | dogbless win3.1 |
| 17:28.59 | armin | when i don't have an MX record for a domain in DNS, is it valid to assume that the A record is always being used as a fallback? |
| 17:29.11 | petemc | it should be |
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| 17:29.23 | armin | define "should". :) |
| 17:29.34 | petemc | i wouldnt like to rely on it for anything important |
| 17:29.34 | peterrooney | Brody_: yes, you will have the opportunity to wipe Vista during install. |
| 17:29.49 | petemc | but according to the rfc it should fall back to A record if no mx record |
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| 17:30.05 | armin | if it's in RFC that's good |
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| 17:31.43 | vimel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.54 | vimel | sorry |
| 17:32.27 | petn-randall | Cyis: The user config is in your home dir und ~/.config/ I think. |
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| 17:33.20 | Cyis | petn-randall: but a user config shouldn't affect being able to even see the device listed as available I would think |
| 17:34.42 | JeffJohnson | :fg |
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| 17:36.26 | babilen | hk3380: Is there anything I can do to help you with the paste? |
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| 17:40.07 | Cyis | petn-randall: comparing ~/.config from backup to know only change to pavucontrol.ini is window geometries |
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| 17:41.52 | Cyis | downgraded kernel ... rebooting... bbiaf |
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| 17:49.56 | HumT | Hey guys, where is the jessie iso kept? debian.org is like iso circular hell |
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| 17:50.18 | g00se | Purging tex. What aptitude pattern to find tex packages that does not find text packages. ?section(tex) won't cut it |
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| 17:52.43 | HumT | thx for the helps |
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| 17:54.25 | vimel | HumT: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 17:55.41 | HumT | vimel, much appreciated. i need to test my software against it. |
| 17:55.59 | vimel | np. |
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| 18:00.48 | Cyis | well that felt very Window-ish... problem resolved with a reboot... not sure how I feel about that |
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| 18:01.48 | reciproqc | anyone has any idea why alsamixer would print the CAPTURE settings in red? |
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| 18:02.14 | reciproqc | anyone? |
| 18:02.21 | x12 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7hE0c2rD54 |
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| 18:02.34 | HumT | i don't know |
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| 18:03.00 | HumT | i develop on debian but my desktop is something else |
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| 18:03.05 | reciproqc | weird I have this stereo mic on my usb sound card and makes alsa crash when i run sip phone app |
| 18:03.26 | reciproqc | Cyis are you good with ALSA? |
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| 18:04.45 | Cyis | reciproqc: I was struggling to get a logitech headset working ... the reboot fixed it |
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| 18:06.20 | reciproqc | dog ham these fancy usb sound devices!! |
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| 18:07.00 | Cyis | reciproqc: the oddity was that it worked prior to re-installing the laptop... then rebooting seemed to fix it |
| 18:07.07 | jhonka | Hi, I downloaded and installed this to my USB-stick but for some reason xorg won't work |
| 18:07.07 | jhonka | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-7.4-amd64-kde-desktop.iso.torrent |
| 18:07.37 | jhonka | Any ideas what I have missed, seems like xorg aren't even installed. |
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| 18:08.25 | reciproqc | kde is not xorg... am i wrong? |
| 18:08.53 | jhonka | Oh.. |
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| 18:09.24 | constl_ | reciproqc: no |
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| 18:10.19 | jhonka | So how I do launch GUI session? |
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| 18:15.17 | reciproqc | anyone would have any idea on how to debug the ALSA driver layer? |
| 18:17.41 | rozie | reciproqc: does the card work on "normal" Debian (not rpi)? |
| 18:18.15 | reciproqc | hi rozie :) im dl the img right now ill try in vbox |
| 18:18.22 | Kobaz | reciproqc: that depends on what you're trying to debug |
| 18:18.27 | Kobaz | reciproqc: that sounds more like an #alsa question |
| 18:18.44 | reciproqc | Kobaz: nobody is alive in there anymore :( except maybe me |
| 18:19.07 | reciproqc | Im using a sip phone app that makes the ALSA layer crash |
| 18:19.24 | Cyis | reciproqc: I just use Teamspeak and Skype |
| 18:19.33 | reciproqc | here is what im having https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/531 |
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| 18:19.55 | Kobaz | reciproqc: which app? |
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| 18:20.00 | Kobaz | reciproqc: my favorite is twinkle |
| 18:20.13 | reciproqc | all the sip phones I tried have the same results |
| 18:20.19 | reciproqc | ekiga linphone etc |
| 18:20.31 | Kobaz | yeah alsa crashing is alsa's fault |
| 18:20.31 | reciproqc | twinkle also |
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| 18:20.39 | Kobaz | just saying i like twinkle |
| 18:20.44 | Kobaz | tried upgrading the kernel? |
| 18:21.00 | reciproqc | think its at its latest |
| 18:21.12 | Kobaz | uname -a |
| 18:21.21 | reciproqc | 3.10.29+ |
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| 18:21.50 | Kobaz | mm |
| 18:21.53 | Kobaz | well then |
| 18:22.05 | Kobaz | have you tried going to a new stable or maybe down? |
| 18:22.26 | reciproqc | Kobaz: im on raspian actually :( |
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| 18:24.05 | Kobaz | mm |
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| 18:25.15 | fellipe | hi everyone. Do anyone knows if is there a hardware compatibility list for Debian 7 ? If don't have for debian, have for Ubuntu 13.04 ? |
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| 18:26.39 | rozie | reciproqc: OK. probably liveCD could be better, but anyway... |
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| 18:27.55 | MrJones | i |
| 18:27.57 | MrJones | hi |
| 18:28.36 | MrJones | I'm trying to use apt-get update over tsocks. from the output of apt-get update, it seems it tries to connect to http://ftp.debian.org/. now if I do "tsocks nc ftp.debian.org 80" I can communicate just fine. however, "tsocks apt-get update" will give me a Connection failed error. why? |
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| 18:35.38 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/p20dp6MV which kernel is too old ? the running one, or the target one ? |
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| 18:36.11 | wilmaaaah | hey guys. i'm stuck without a graphics driver. i tried to install the proprietary nvidia driver but it didn't work. could you lend me a hand and help me setting up my xorg.conf appropriately? what is that nvidia driver named in the xorg.conf? |
| 18:36.23 | peterrooney | fellipe: /msg dpkg cross post |
| 18:37.29 | peterrooney | !hcl |
| 18:37.29 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
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| 18:37.57 | fellipe | peterrooney: what? |
| 18:38.23 | abrotman | doublehp: still broken eh? |
| 18:38.36 | doublehp | abrotman: trying to update ... really trying ... |
| 18:39.05 | doublehp | abrotman: and the FIRST thing required to update is the kernel (required for libc6, and libc required for everything else) |
| 18:39.33 | abrotman | did you do the dist-upgrade yet? |
| 18:39.40 | doublehp | it breaks |
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| 18:40.01 | tbx1024 | wilmaaaah: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 18:40.25 | wilmaaaah | tbx1024: i have no browser to open that link |
| 18:40.33 | tbx1024 | oh. |
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| 18:40.48 | tbx1024 | wait so what is wrong with your X? |
| 18:40.59 | mtn | wilmaaaah: you can use links, or w3m or.... |
| 18:41.17 | tbx1024 | wilmaaaah: apt-get install lynx |
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| 18:41.46 | doublehp | is initrd-tools deprecated ? |
| 18:41.52 | anonnumberanon | Is this step secure? "Change the ownership of that file to root" |
| 18:41.57 | anonnumberanon | https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-set-up-vsftpd-on-ubuntu-12-04 |
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| 18:43.03 | doublehp | anonnumberanon: root ownership itself usually gives more security, if file has restricted access. It can be an issue if file is writable or executable |
| 18:43.40 | wilmaaaah | tbx1024: guys, all it says is "This page does not exist yet" |
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| 18:44.34 | wilmaaaah | ok, i got it |
| 18:44.36 | anonnumberanon | doublehp, will this force me to apply root pass everytime I make any changes inside the user? |
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| 18:45.07 | doublehp | question does not make sense |
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| 18:45.40 | dupingping | No stealth sms project on debian? |
| 18:46.02 | anonnumberanon | I don't understand what it means to get root ownership or something, what does it mean? |
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| 18:46.18 | Kobaz | root = admin |
| 18:46.31 | Red_ | Kobaz, uhhhhh, not really? |
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| 18:46.44 | Kobaz | Red_: yes really |
| 18:46.57 | doublehp | abrotman: all solutions proposed by aptitude distupgrade ALL include ... removal of headers of the only working kernel, and most also want to remove grub. |
| 18:47.00 | Red_ | Kobaz, not really again, there's a difference. |
| 18:47.07 | Kobaz | umm |
| 18:47.13 | anonnumberanon | Kobaz, elaborate? |
| 18:47.27 | Kobaz | root is the 'main' user or 'administrator' user on the system |
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| 18:47.57 | Kobaz | the root user has full control of everything assuming there's no security modules running (like selinux, etc) |
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| 18:48.13 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/p20dp6MV which kernel is too old ? the running one, or the target one ? |
| 18:48.39 | doublehp | Kobaz: wrong; not all: "most" |
| 18:48.42 | Kobaz | Red_: i'm not sure what you think the root user is, but i can't imagine why you wouldn't agree with what i wrote |
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| 18:49.52 | datnetgear | &msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 18:50.55 | doublehp | Kobaz: in *MANY* cases, root access may be forbidden, either by a server, or the kernel. Nasty driver, NFS, FUSE ... there are MANY things the root can not do if the kernel is not in mood. |
| 18:50.56 | anonnumberanon | Kobaz will I regret taking the step in that guide? |
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| 18:51.10 | MrJones | how do I install libdl for 32bit on an x86_64 system? |
| 18:51.10 | anonnumberanon | This is my everyday work machine and that is my everyday work user. |
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| 18:51.27 | MrJones | on debian 7.4 |
| 18:51.27 | doublehp | MrJones: depends if you are multilib |
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| 18:51.44 | MrJones | am I? I have no idea |
| 18:51.53 | datnetgear | Hey. Im pretty new to linux and I have problems getting my usb wifi adapter to work. Could anyone please be kind to help me out.? I got a Netgear wnda3100 usb wifi adapter. I think this page shows some info on how to get it working, but I am unable to perform these steps. im getting error messages. https://wiki.debian.org/ar9170usb |
| 18:52.08 | Kobaz | doublehp: obviously fs or anything outside the system isn't bound by the root-owns-all principal |
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| 18:52.18 | Red_ | datnetgear, paste the errors? |
| 18:52.32 | datnetgear | deb: command not found |
| 18:52.33 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: the vsftp guide? |
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| 18:53.00 | anonnumberanon | https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-set-up-vsftpd-on-ubuntu-12-04 |
| 18:53.00 | doublehp | datnetgear: buy linux compatible hardware |
| 18:53.04 | Kobaz | doublehp: and if your local drivers are broken that's something different entirely |
| 18:53.31 | datnetgear | doublehp: ok. so there is not any chanse in getting this to work with linux? |
| 18:53.37 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: go for it... looks normal |
| 18:53.46 | MrJones | doublehp: how can I tell if I'm multilib? |
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| 18:53.55 | doublehp | datnetgear: either iwconfig shows your card, or ... it's not in the range of a beginner |
| 18:54.02 | mns | datnetgear: that error just means you dont have that command on your PATH |
| 18:54.04 | tremon | MrJones: see https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO, sections usage and installing |
| 18:54.22 | anonnumberanon | Kobaz okay I'll go ahead, how would I reverse the effects of that command though? |
| 18:54.30 | datnetgear | doublehp: Ok. I think i might give up and just buy some compatible hw |
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| 18:54.34 | anonnumberanon | chown root:root /home/user |
| 18:54.37 | tremon | !tell MrJones -about multiarch |
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| 18:54.56 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: there is no 'undo' |
| 18:54.59 | mns | datnetgear: .. you need to put that line in the /etc/apt/sources.list file ... not run it as a command from the command line |
| 18:55.13 | Red_ | datnetgear, nope, don't need new hardware. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ar9170.fw |
| 18:55.17 | Kobaz | anapivirtua: but you can ls -alR the directory structure and make note of the existing ownership if you need to put it back |
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| 18:55.50 | anonnumberanon | Kobaz then there is risk, why would I take it. |
| 18:55.51 | Red_ | doublehp, might wanna look into the stuff before saying "buy Linux compatible hardware" next time. |
| 18:55.56 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: you only need to change the ownership to root if you don't want that file overwritten |
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| 18:56.12 | doublehp | datnetgear: if "aptitude install firmware-atheros" did not help, if easy commands like aptitude don't do it, really, you should better giveup. Wifi is really a hell. After 15y, there are still some stuff I refuse to try making work (3D acceleration, bluetooth sound ... ) |
| 18:56.15 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: assuming the file isn't world writable, etc |
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| 18:56.26 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: it's not a risk if you want that action |
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| 18:56.40 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: if you don't care about changing ownership of the files, then don't do it |
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| 18:57.08 | doublehp | Red_ the page is open, and he obviously already followed it; otherwise he would not say he get error messages |
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| 18:57.26 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: that looks like a security adjustment for vsftpd on chroot |
| 18:57.38 | Red_ | datnetgear, did you try to compile the module yourself? |
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| 18:57.55 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: oh, i only took a cursory glance at the page, there's no -R on the chown... so it's only changing ownership on one directory |
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| 18:58.03 | mns | doublehp: read his error message. he's getting error for "deb" command. I'm guessing he just ran what he thought was the command from the command line. |
| 18:58.10 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: so to reverse the action you just chown user:group to what it was before |
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| 18:58.47 | Red_ | Why the is my name this |
| 18:58.51 | datnetgear | Red_: Im sorry. I am pretty clueless in this. i need more linux knowledge it seems. never used it before so i dont know how to compile or anything. having problems doing the 'easiest' tasks it seems like |
| 18:58.57 | _4dnan_ | Hello all ye faithful. Does anyone know some quite successful accesibility software ? A magnifier and a screen narrator. I've seen some but asking you is hopefully better than checking them one by one. Thanks. |
| 18:59.10 | Kitt3n | datnetgear, ...you just download the source, cd into the directory and type make. |
| 18:59.25 | Kobaz | Kitt3n: and hope for the best |
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| 18:59.27 | Kitt3n | datnetgear, if everything is set up properly, it'll compile. |
| 18:59.33 | Kitt3n | Kobaz, not really? |
| 18:59.37 | datnetgear | Kitt3n: ok i will try |
| 18:59.38 | Kobaz | heh |
| 18:59.41 | Kobaz | yes really |
| 18:59.42 | tremon | that's a big if though |
| 18:59.47 | Kitt3n | Kobaz, no. |
| 19:00.02 | Kitt3n | datnetgear, and if you get errors, ASK, we don't bite :) |
| 19:00.02 | Kobaz | you really don't like anything i have to say, do you |
| 19:00.11 | datnetgear | Kitt3n: thanks :) |
| 19:00.15 | Kitt3n | Kobaz, because it's wrong? |
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| 19:00.20 | Kitt3n | Kobaz, and not helpful? |
| 19:00.27 | Kobaz | it's not wrong |
| 19:00.31 | Kobaz | not helpful i agree |
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| 19:00.40 | Kobaz | Kitt3n: i can imagine an infinite assortment of issues that may prevent the source from building |
| 19:00.53 | Kitt3n | Kobaz, uhhh. |
| 19:00.56 | ajoul | I am on windows and try to install Debian but I don't know how to find what type or architecture I am on in |
| 19:00.56 | Kitt3n | Riiiight. |
| 19:01.11 | ajoul | I have Intel i5 |
| 19:01.15 | anonnumberanon | Ah okay Kobaz then I'll setup a directory within that user and do the root owning command on that directory. Shouldn't create any problems then. |
| 19:01.18 | Kitt3n | ajoul, 64 bit or 32 bit Windows? |
| 19:01.25 | ajoul | Kitt3n 64 bit |
| 19:01.31 | centrx | ajoul, amd64 |
| 19:01.32 | Kitt3n | ajoul, you'll want amd64 then. |
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| 19:01.54 | ajoul | why is it called AMD if it is for Intel? |
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| 19:02.00 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: it'll only be a potential permissions issue, with whatever you want to have the ftp user to... but it's always adjustable |
| 19:02.01 | ajoul | just curious |
| 19:02.02 | MrJones | ajoul: AMD invented the architecture |
| 19:02.04 | anonnumberanon | Kobaz this is on my laptop. It is to be able to access it with my PC intranetwork in order to get files from that directory over ftp. |
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| 19:02.10 | MrJones | or the specific extension to 64bit |
| 19:02.11 | _4dnan_ | Because amd ran faster and caught the 64 bit and branded it. |
| 19:02.14 | tremon | ajoul: because it's amd's design. Intel was late to the party |
| 19:02.22 | wilmaaaah | how do i remove a module that's being used? |
| 19:02.25 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: any particular reason you're using ftp? and not scp/sftp? |
| 19:02.27 | MrJones | well intel wasn't exactly late, the IA64 just didn't get adopted widely |
| 19:02.33 | Lat | wilmaaaah, rmmod |
| 19:02.36 | zophy | AMD invented the copyright for the assembler instructions |
| 19:02.49 | MrJones | AMD invented the copryight? :D |
| 19:02.51 | Kobaz | Kitt3n: you've not built many packages from source then? |
| 19:02.53 | zophy | heh |
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| 19:02.57 | elichai2 | what the diffrence between the iso for DVD and the iso for CD? |
| 19:02.59 | tremon | meh, if you count include non-x86 architectures, ia64 was even more late |
| 19:03.04 | wilmaaaah | Lat: it is being used |
| 19:03.05 | datnetgear | Kitt3n: I did manage to wget the .fw file, I tried typing "make ar9170-fw.git" but it says theres nothing to be done for that |
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| 19:03.14 | Kobaz | Kitt3n: or has every source package been competely successfully built for you, 100% of the time? |
| 19:03.21 | Kitt3n | Kobaz, yup. |
| 19:03.27 | ajoul | If I am going to burn the image in a USB do I download the Tiny Cd or Small CD? |
| 19:03.30 | Kitt3n | datnetgear, follow the webpage instructions. |
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| 19:03.41 | Lat | wilmaaaah, you have to remove the parents ones |
| 19:03.42 | elichai2 | anyone? |
| 19:03.43 | Kitt3n | ajoul, depends on the size of your USB |
| 19:03.47 | Kobaz | Kitt3n: heh, well good for you, that's not the case for everyone/everyproject |
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| 19:03.48 | ajoul | I have fast internet connection and I want to download the most possible data |
| 19:03.58 | ajoul | Kitt3n it is big |
| 19:04.06 | tbx1024 | wilmaaaah: blacklist and reboot |
| 19:04.07 | mns | datnetgear: what version of Debian do you have ? |
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| 19:04.35 | elichai2 | anyone? |
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| 19:04.40 | Lat | ajoul, if this is your first install, get the DVD, if you have done it before, get the CD and install the rest you need |
| 19:04.40 | Kitt3n | ajoul, well, if you want an easy-to-use livecd, just grab one of the desktop environment livecd. :) |
| 19:04.42 | anonnumberanon | Kobaz the original goal was to transfer files that don't need secure transfer faster than using scp. Then I found out about NFS, but I'm too late in the game to abandon ftp, I will do ftp and also NFS after this. |
| 19:04.49 | elichai2 | any idea? |
| 19:05.10 | Kobaz | Kitt3n: try downloading and building X.org from source and see if it works the first shot... and you'll see what i mean (guaranteed you'll be missing dependencies or whatnot) |
| 19:05.12 | Kitt3n | elichai2, packages included. |
| 19:05.40 | Lat | whopps, I got the subjects confused, sorry |
| 19:05.41 | elichai2 | Kitt3n, that's auto installed or i can choose? it's necessary packages? |
| 19:05.48 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: if you want to speed up scp copies, use arcfour as your encryption |
| 19:05.59 | datnetgear | mns: im using some custom build. Linux BAMT |
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| 19:06.12 | anonnumberanon | Kobaz okay I'll keep that in my notes. |
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| 19:06.28 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: it's really negligible overhead compared to plain text... scp should work on existing systems with no setup needed, and your speed will really be limited to your pipe |
| 19:06.29 | Kitt3n | elichai2, the netinst CD image is just the bare minimum. |
| 19:06.48 | ajoul | <Kitt3n> is there an image that has all 3 dvds instead of separate ones? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 19:06.50 | wilmaaaah | tbx1024: that is what i thought i did. i have blacklisted nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel.conf. should i create a nouveau.conf instead? |
| 19:06.55 | ajoul | or do they merge in extraction |
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| 19:07.01 | Kitt3n | elichai2, the DVD images contain a load of packages you can install from the DVD. |
| 19:07.34 | tbx1024 | wilmaaaah: nope, just putting a "blacklist" line should be enough |
| 19:07.47 | anonnumberanon | no Kobaz apparently using the NFS transfer you can reach 73 Mb per second. scp is limited at 16 Mb per second(with the specific processor tested, it might have been a slow one). |
| 19:07.57 | tbx1024 | wilmaaaah: doesnt it work? |
| 19:08.01 | wilmaaaah | tbx1024: no |
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| 19:08.18 | wilmaaaah | tbx1024: now i tried to remove it but it is in use |
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| 19:08.20 | datnetgear | where do I get an SH2-Tool chain? |
| 19:08.23 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: sounds processor bound with those numbers |
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| 19:08.38 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: if you want blazingly fast copy... use a combination of tar and netcat |
| 19:08.48 | tbx1024 | wilmaaaah: let me check something |
| 19:09.11 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: it should be way faster than ftp |
| 19:09.19 | elichai2 | Kitt3n, the DVD version come with XFCE? |
| 19:09.24 | Kobaz | and also, no setup (some scripts to write though) |
| 19:09.34 | Kitt3n | elichai2, I am not sure, but there's a xfce image. |
| 19:09.45 | elichai2 | Kitt3n, yeah but just CD image |
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| 19:09.55 | Kitt3n | elichai2, yes, so use that then? :p |
| 19:10.04 | anonnumberanon | I'm learning about scripting actually, right now, I can't write them yet but I'm watching a series of 60 tutorials to learn. |
| 19:10.17 | tbx1024 | wilmaaaah: "blacklist nouveau" should be enough, have you checked the syntax/commented out lined? D: |
| 19:10.26 | tbx1024 | *lines |
| 19:10.29 | elichai2 | Kitt3n, that's why i asked if xfce is part of the DVD image :) |
| 19:10.46 | Kobaz | anonnumberanon: http://toast.djw.org.uk/tarpipe.html |
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| 19:10.55 | elichai2 | Kitt3n, why ther isn't packages list?! |
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| 19:11.52 | elichai2 | Kitt3n, or maybe there is :) |
| 19:12.03 | elichai2 | KidCartouche, why there is 3 versions? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 19:12.05 | wilmaaaah | tbx1024: could you check for me which driver i need for an nvidia GeForce 7025/ nforce 630a chip? maybe i got the wrong driver |
| 19:12.13 | owshu | when checking checksums with md5sum using a file containing correct sums, can md5sum be instructed not to print errors for missing files? |
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| 19:12.37 | tbx1024 | wilmaaaah: might be the legacy driver, but ill check |
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| 19:12.50 | elichai2 | Kitt3n, why there is 3 versions? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 19:13.14 | wilmaaaah | tbx1024: w3m is a mess |
| 19:13.34 | abrotman | doublehp: this is what happens when you run a system in this bastardized way |
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| 19:13.54 | datnetgear | could someone explain me what a toolchain is, and why I need it. And how I retrieve it? |
| 19:14.00 | elichai2 | Kitt3n, ? |
| 19:14.06 | Kitt3n | datnetgear, I just noticed this http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/carl9170 |
| 19:14.13 | Kitt3n | datnetgear, seems more up-to-date. |
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| 19:14.19 | Kitt3n | elichai2, honestly, I don't know. |
| 19:14.42 | datnetgear | Kitt3n: ok thanks. Ill take a look |
| 19:15.02 | elichai2 | anyone? |
| 19:15.18 | Kitt3n | elichai2, spamming won't help. |
| 19:15.20 | elichai2 | why there is 3 version of the DVD image?! http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 19:16.09 | tbx1024 | wilmaaaah: i think you need the 304 one |
| 19:16.11 | elichai2 | there is something wrong with installing 64bit debian on laptop with 2GB ram? |
| 19:16.13 | petn-randall | !enter/q dpkg |
| 19:16.24 | tremon | datnetgear: a toolchain is a set of tools that are required to build software from source. apt-get install build-essential should give you the bare minimum, but what you need depends on the software you're trying to compile |
| 19:16.36 | tbx1024 | wilmaaaah: but the nouveau issue is not normal though |
| 19:16.48 | tremon | elichai2: there's not 3 versions. There are 3 dvd's because debian doesn't fit on one. |
| 19:16.59 | datnetgear | tremon: ok thanks. |
| 19:17.01 | nabblet | elichai2: the first DVD1 contains the most common packages, the second DVD the second most common pakages and so on |
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| 19:17.20 | wilmaaaah | tbx1024: thank you. i got the wrong one then |
| 19:17.22 | elichai2 | so i need all of them to install debian?! |
| 19:17.33 | petn-randall | elichai2: |
| 19:17.34 | elichai2 | or if i want more packages i download 2 DVD's |
| 19:17.37 | elichai2 | ? |
| 19:17.37 | Lat | elichai2, "The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system. |
| 19:17.37 | Lat | To avoid needless downloads, please do not download other CD or DVD image files unless you know that you need packages on them." http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 19:17.43 | tremon | no, you only need the netinstall cd and an internet link |
| 19:17.45 | nabblet | elichai2: so usually DVD1 has all you need. only of you want some special software, also download DVD2 and 3 |
| 19:18.25 | petn-randall | nabblet: Actually using the netinst is preferred to save bandwidth and time. |
| 19:18.28 | elichai2 | tremon, i don't want the netinstall cause i want debian with xfce |
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| 19:18.56 | elichai2 | nabblet, ok thanks |
| 19:18.59 | datnetgear | tremon: so when i get the error Nothing to be done for filename, then i dont have the right stuff? |
| 19:19.03 | nabblet | petn-randall: i know but elichai2 asked about the DVDs |
| 19:19.13 | wilmaaaah | tbx1024: well, 3d never worked here with nouveau |
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| 19:19.24 | wilmaaaah | at least on this machine |
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| 19:19.26 | nabblet | elichai2: you can get debian with xfce with netinstall |
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| 19:19.36 | Kitt3n | elichai2, if you have less than 4 GB ram, you should get 32 bit Debian. |
| 19:19.39 | tbx1024 | wilmaaaah: well nouveau should NOT be loaded when blacklisted D: |
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| 19:20.03 | nabblet | Kitt3n: also if he has a 64 bit system? don't think so... |
| 19:20.06 | wilmaaaah | hehe, yeah, obviously |
| 19:20.24 | nabblet | elichai2: do you know what CPU you have? |
| 19:20.35 | Kitt3n | nabblet, I'd like seeing Windows 64 bit run on 2 GB ram, must be quite laggy. |
| 19:20.52 | farhadix | I want report an error on jessie, when I'm playing music or movie, scrolling the chrome makes noise on sound, also by pressing win-key and changing window between different desktop makes noise and slow the playing |
| 19:20.55 | elichai2 | nabblet: |
| 19:20.55 | elichai2 | elichai@elichai-MT6840:~$ uname -a |
| 19:20.55 | elichai2 | Linux elichai-MT6840 3.11.0-17-generic #31-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 3 21:53:31 UTC 2014 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:21.11 | nabblet | elichai2: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:21.18 | farhadix | i'm using gnome 3.8 |
| 19:21.25 | petn-randall | Kitt3n: I disagree. You'll loose all the compiler optimizations for amd64. |
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| 19:21.30 | jhutchins | !bugreport |
| 19:21.40 | elichai2 | nabblet, address sizes? |
| 19:21.46 | nabblet | elichai2: model name |
| 19:21.50 | tremon | datnetgear: "nothing to be done" means exactly that. Most likely, It means that you already ran make before and everything you requested has already been built |
| 19:21.55 | Kitt3n | petn-randall, uhhhhh. 32 bit runs smoother with less ram, at least in the Windows world :P |
| 19:22.00 | Kitt3n | petn-randall, by a LOT. |
| 19:22.07 | elichai2 | nabblet, Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo CPU T2450 @ 2.00GHz |
| 19:22.13 | petn-randall | Kitt3n: apples and oranges? |
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| 19:22.30 | centrx | Windows 3.1 runs smoother than Windows 7 |
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| 19:23.04 | nabblet | elichai2: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "address sizes" |
| 19:23.09 | nabblet | sorry, better this one |
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| 19:24.01 | elichai2 | nabblet, that's what i thought: address sizes: 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual |
| 19:24.16 | nabblet | elichai2: well, in that case use the normal 32 bit version |
| 19:24.31 | Kitt3n | petn-randall, seems it's 2 vs 1. :P |
| 19:24.45 | elichai2 | nabblet, and if i will add extra 2GB ram? |
| 19:24.50 | elichai2 | (then i will have 4GB) |
| 19:24.55 | nabblet | elichai2: you are using the corret immages |
| 19:25.08 | nabblet | elichai2: this will not help, because the cpu will not be able to address them |
| 19:25.29 | elichai2 | so the Maximum i can get on my laptop is 3GB Ram? |
| 19:25.30 | nabblet | elichai2: you won't be able to install the 64bit debian on it. your 32bit cpu is the limiting factor |
| 19:25.40 | nabblet | elichai2: yes |
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| 19:26.09 | elichai2 | ok thanks |
| 19:26.10 | datnetgear | Is the firmware all that i need to get and get installed? http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/carl9170#Firmware-1 How can i obtain it from the firmware tree? |
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| 19:26.23 | petn-randall | !firmware |
| 19:26.24 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 19:26.29 | elichai2 | nabblet, so what you saying? DVD image or netinstall? |
| 19:26.39 | tremon | elichai2: to be pedantic, it's 3GB+something, because how much you can really address depends on video memory size and several other factors |
| 19:27.04 | datnetgear | !installer firmware |
| 19:27.04 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
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| 19:27.13 | elichai2 | tremon, yeah, bad too bad there is no RAM card with 2.5GB |
| 19:27.17 | bumbar | i can't remember which ftp daemon i'm using (can't find configs in /etc for vsftp or sftp), is there any way to find out? |
| 19:27.20 | petn-randall | tremon: well, PCI address space. |
| 19:27.43 | petn-randall | datnetgear: you can query the bot if you have more keywords to ask about. |
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| 19:28.08 | datnetgear | petn-randall: thanks, sorry for spamming |
| 19:28.29 | petn-randall | datnetgear: No problem, just FYI. :) |
| 19:28.40 | abrotman | petn-randall: you can use the tell feature too :) |
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| 19:29.21 | petn-randall | abrotman: true that :) |
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| 19:29.38 | abrotman | They learn bad habits from you :) |
| 19:30.01 | petn-randall | shuffles feet. |
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| 19:30.15 | Kitt3n | :P |
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| 19:31.17 | datnetgear | Seems like im pretty stuck at this firmware and driver install for ny netgear adapter. Im wondering: if I buy a new one, is it enough that it says it supports linux, or is it something else I should look for when buying? |
| 19:31.48 | Kitt3n | datnetgear, I would not stop until it works, but in the future, look before you buy :P |
| 19:32.39 | datnetgear | Kitt3n: it was something just lying around. But if it says linux support on the package, it should be working with debian? |
| 19:32.50 | Kitt3n | datnetgear, yup! |
| 19:33.28 | datnetgear | Kitt3n: and just to double check: plug and play? |
| 19:33.48 | datnetgear | cause i have problems going this wget make sudo pl road |
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| 19:33.49 | datnetgear | heh |
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| 19:34.34 | Kitt3n | datnetgear, pretty sure you need to download the sources manually or use git |
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| 19:34.59 | jhutchins | datnetgear: Do some on-line shopping, then do some google searches on the model + linux. |
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| 19:35.52 | jhutchins | datnetgear: It's no guarantee, because manufacturers will use different chipsets in the same model, but if a bunch of people are talking about not getting it to work with linux it's best to consider something else. |
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| 19:38.25 | jhutchins | datnetgear: What chipset do you have? |
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| 19:38.28 | datnetgear | jhutchins: got it. does these things usually have an online manual for how to get it work on linux, step by step? Or do one need to know the basics to get it installed |
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| 19:38.53 | jhutchins | datnetgear: No, usually they do not. |
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| 19:39.19 | jhutchins | datnetgear: I think ATI and Radeon provide some info on using their drivers, but I've never seen that for NICs. |
| 19:39.34 | anonnumberanon | The guide on digitalocean to setup vsftp was junk and did not fully tell how to setup ownership. I got an error when connecting to it that said it was no go. |
| 19:39.51 | petn-randall | datnetgear: Well, I'd never trust if it says "Linux support" on the package. It can mean that they have a binary only driver that only works with a very specific kernel version. Better to check yourself. |
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| 19:40.07 | jhutchins | datnetgear: Mostly a new NIC chipset will either have a project on sourceforge or somewhere, then it'll get incorporated in the kernel and you won't hear any more about it. |
| 19:40.16 | datnetgear | petn-randall: Ok. thanks for the heads up. |
| 19:40.33 | remaxerd1viator | For who would like to accept a challenge, download Candy Invasion on Play Store and beat the highscore of 3150 |
| 19:40.36 | Kitt3n | petn-randall, or worse. Have the drivers in the latest kernels but source code for the normally used ones |
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| 19:41.16 | datnetgear | jhutchins: Atheros 802.11n USB chipset (AR9170) |
| 19:41.18 | datnetgear | I think |
| 19:41.45 | petn-randall | remaxerd1viator: It's better to keep stuff like that on #debian-offtopic. |
| 19:41.58 | remaxerd1viator | petn-randall: oh...ok sorry man |
| 19:44.26 | claint | I am a sad puppy tonight. I did my so so late squeeze -> wheezy upgrade, and now I am looking for a usable desktop environment. Coming from Gnome2. Any recommendations? Thinking about Gnome Classic (don't know but some things don't work), XCFE (looks ok, will get some time to get used to) or jumping straight to sid to test some new ones. |
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| 19:44.40 | datnetgear | Should I just place firmware files in /usr/local/lib/firmware location? is there any command to install them? |
| 19:45.09 | Kitt3n | claint, shameless advertisement time! Try KDE :) |
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| 19:52.48 | OptimizedCoder | I'm on debian testing - is there a way to go back to a specific version on python 2.x and gcc x.x. |
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| 19:54.43 | centrx | OptimizedCoder, You could use Debian Snapshots |
| 19:54.45 | datnetgear | if i have a file in a folder and want to move it to a subfolder. how is this done. im trying with mv carl9170-1.fw-1.9.9.fw firmware -- want to move the file into the firmware folder |
| 19:54.49 | datnetgear | but it just renames the file? |
| 19:54.53 | centrx | OptimizedCoder, http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 19:55.09 | centrx | datnetgear, Create the directory first. |
| 19:55.15 | datnetgear | it is created |
| 19:55.22 | datnetgear | I did so in the gui |
| 19:55.25 | claint | datnetgear: you haven't given a path, so that's how move works. |
| 19:55.35 | anonnumberanon | mv filename /*/path/filename |
| 19:55.52 | claint | don't use a * there though |
| 19:56.19 | datnetgear | hmm. now the file dissappeard. |
| 19:56.36 | anonnumberanon | Yeah cause you moved it. |
| 19:56.40 | tremon | datnetgear: if you created the folder in the gui, what's stopping you from moving the file with the gui as well? |
| 19:56.49 | datnetgear | Drag and drop didnt work |
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| 19:57.17 | claint | OptimizedCoder: to make sure that it doesn't install the new versions of the package, you can also use apt pinning. |
| 19:57.22 | anonnumberanon | That's when the target directory is locked. |
| 19:57.32 | anonnumberanon | You'd need to use sudo to get it done. |
| 19:57.57 | datnetgear | sudo mv? |
| 19:57.58 | OptimizedCoder | claint, centrx - how about If I can just have them installed in a sandbox? |
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| 19:58.29 | anonnumberanon | Yes, but be careful if you're doing anything around system files you might seriously mess up something. |
| 19:58.39 | centrx | OptimizedCoder, You could use chroot, or you could download the package and extract it manually |
| 19:58.53 | datnetgear | anonnumberanon: ok. I guess ill just dont mess around then. |
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| 19:59.50 | OptimizedCoder | centrx, lets say the I have the srcs manually - and lets say I choose to 'make' and not 'make install' - that should be okay, right? |
| 20:00.19 | OptimizedCoder | then I can force my app's compilation to point to this version of gcc/python |
| 20:00.21 | OptimizedCoder | right? |
| 20:00.26 | centrx | OptimizedCoder, Right |
| 20:01.02 | OptimizedCoder | centrx, one more question - I'll need to build the 32-bit version of python from the srcs on a 64-bit machine.. |
| 20:01.12 | datnetgear | If anyone thinks they are able (and have time) to get my netgear wifi adapter to work feel free to PM me. 1 Mill fedoracoin reward. If not i just think i have to buy a new one and get the shop to install it for me. thanks for being helpful! |
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| 20:01.34 | centrx | OptimizedCoder, wheezy has multiarch, so you can install the 32-bit versions of the libaries if necessary. I don't know if you need them when you are doing the compiling yourself |
| 20:02.05 | OptimizedCoder | centrx, okay, my requirement is when I compile python, I compile it into a 32-bit binary.. |
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| 20:03.15 | centrx | OptimizedCoder, Yes. I do not know if you need anything special for that other than specifying some command-line options when you compile. |
| 20:03.24 | wilmaaaah | tbx1024: thanks a lot. i finally fixed it! :) |
| 20:03.31 | centrx | OptimizedCoder, If you do need 32-bit libraries installed to do it, they are available in wheezy+ |
| 20:03.39 | centrx | OptimizedCoder, Something like ia32-libs |
| 20:03.55 | OptimizedCoder | centrx, I'm outside of wheezy - on jessie/testing |
| 20:04.06 | OptimizedCoder | centrx, where ia32-libs is not reqd anymore.. |
| 20:04.24 | tbx1024 | wilmaaaah: yay :) |
| 20:04.35 | centrx | OptimizedCoder, It is available there too, that is what I meant by wheezy "Plus" |
| 20:04.42 | OptimizedCoder | centrx, oh ok |
| 20:04.49 | centrx | hmm |
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| 20:04.57 | centrx | That package name appears to be missing though |
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| 20:05.44 | centrx | OptimizedCoder, So I might be wrong, but I don't see why it would have been removed |
| 20:05.45 | OptimizedCoder | centrx, for building the 32-bit binary, all I'd need is either the -m32 flag to gcc or the ARCHFLAG arg? |
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| 20:05.58 | centrx | OptimizedCoder, I do not know, but that may very well be all you need, yes. |
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| 20:06.47 | tremon | !tell centrx -about multiarch |
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| 20:07.13 | tremon | centrx: ia32-libs is deprecated, we now have real dependency resolution across architectures so it's no longer needed |
| 20:07.31 | OptimizedCoder | tremon, yes, thats what I remember reading too |
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| 20:07.55 | grnmtn | can anyone explain the default behavior of /etc/cron.daily/apt? In particular, by default, does it automatically check for updates daily? I'm having some trouble understanding the script |
| 20:08.28 | OptimizedCoder | !multiarch |
| 20:08.28 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
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| 20:08.53 | tremon | OptimizedCoder: for building 32-bit applications on 64-bit you need the 32-bit development libraries, so probably a lot of -dev:i386 packages. I'd expect gcc -m32 to work with that, but I haven't tried it myself |
| 20:09.11 | centrx | grnmtn, I have just skimmed through it now |
| 20:09.25 | centrx | grnmtn, It looks like it will do unattended upgrades if you have the right option set for that in apt.conf |
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| 20:10.16 | centrx | grnmtn, Otherwise, there are options for file maintenance with autoclean or backing up package files, that sort of file maintenance |
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| 20:12.34 | grnmtn | centrx: thanks - some how I missed that explanation at the top of the script, I'm feeling quite embarrassed now :) |
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| 20:19.18 | anonnumberanon | Kobaz, welp I did the guide's stuff and get |
| 20:19.20 | anonnumberanon | 500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot() |
| 20:19.20 | anonnumberanon | Login failed. |
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| 20:20.16 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell farhadix -about jessie |
| 20:20.57 | petn-randall | woops, was looking at the backlog m( |
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| 20:25.11 | petn-randall | anonnumberanon: Well, check your permissions of the chroot, that's what it's saying. |
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| 20:25.47 | Monotoko | hi, why would tcpdump be giving me lots and lots of ntp traffic |
| 20:26.03 | Monotoko | when I've turned ntp off and dropped anything to it in iptables |
| 20:26.37 | anonnumberanon | petn-randall, I'm giving up on it. I've already wasted enough time. Plus the guide was really bad and full of bad comments. |
| 20:27.11 | Monotoko | http://pastebin.com/8tJeEXEB |
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| 20:27.43 | Monotoko | that was annoying |
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| 20:27.57 | elichai2 | which encryption debian provide while installing? |
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| 20:30.58 | ompaul | elichai2: this will explain it, you can of course choose to wait until a base system is installed and then let that encrypt itself http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.installation-steps.html |
| 20:31.35 | elichai2 | ompaul, from what i read i can't encrypt an existing machine |
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| 20:31.44 | elichai2 | (at least in ubuntu) |
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| 20:32.18 | nabblet | !paste |
| 20:32.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:33.11 | elichai2 | ?? |
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| 20:34.36 | ompaul | nabblet: what was that about? |
| 20:34.51 | centrx | Is everyone okay!? |
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| 20:36.14 | nabblet | ompaul: uhm. just for me? i think eli was thinking it was meant from him :P |
| 20:36.20 | nabblet | and you too :) |
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| 20:37.21 | ompaul | !tell nabblet about selftell |
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| 20:38.48 | nabblet | ompaul: thanks! wasn't sure what bot i had to message |
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| 20:39.17 | nabblet | argh, it's even in the topic. apologies |
| 20:39.30 | centrx | nabblet, FYI you can message dpkg directly and use any of the keywords in private message |
| 20:40.32 | ompaul | centrx: and selftell is? ;-) |
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| 20:40.40 | ompaul | hides behind a factoid :) |
| 20:40.44 | nabblet | centrx: yes, i know :) i was not sure what bot to use for that :/ |
| 20:40.59 | ompaul | nabblet: and judd is for software versions etc |
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| 20:42.19 | nabblet | nice to know! hope i won't forget |
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| 20:45.54 | miseria | "democracia: el pueblo, predomina el gobierno de un pais. libertad: no ser oprimido ni esclavo del gobierno" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival* |
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| 20:47.48 | anonnumberanon | Oh no there is an extra user now when I log in to my computer how to remove users? |
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| 20:51.24 | OptimizedCoder | question : I needed to install a specific version of python - lets say I get the .deb from snapshot.debian.org - Can I install this deb under a sandbox folder so that it does not override my current python install. I'll also need the 32-bit variant of that specific version of python installed on a x64 system.. |
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| 20:52.11 | jhutchins | OptimizedCoder: What are the chances you'll need other elements in that special environment? |
| 20:52.17 | waqstar | anonnumberanon: Is it a root user? |
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| 20:53.43 | anonnumberanon | waqstar, I can't log in with it. |
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| 20:54.33 | waqstar | how are you checking which users are logged in? |
| 20:54.43 | anonnumberanon | password works but then it says "could not update ICEauthority file --insert here the path to what this user had access to --" |
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| 20:55.33 | anonnumberanon | I think this is part of a user group , what is the file to modify to remove this user? |
| 20:55.47 | waqstar | anonnumberanon: remove it and reboot |
| 20:55.58 | waqstar | remove that file i mean |
| 20:56.19 | OptimizedCoder | jhutchins, I understand your point - which is why I;m going ahead with the next question.. is there a version of python compiled with static libs in it ? |
| 20:56.46 | OptimizedCoder | OptimizedCoder, I hope I wouldn't want to compile it from src |
| 20:57.29 | OptimizedCoder | anyway, my question still remains - lets say I have a .deb pk which I need installed - but not 'make install'ed - if that makes sense |
| 20:57.33 | anonnumberanon | waqstar, yes that directory is already removed |
| 20:57.53 | anonnumberanon | It was a directory. |
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| 20:58.34 | jhutchins | OptimizedCoder: I guess my question is whether you are replicating a whole environment, like an earlier release of Debian, and if so whether a VM would make more sense? |
| 20:58.48 | waqstar | anonnumberanon: it says could not update FILE? |
| 20:58.56 | waqstar | hmm, not sure then bro |
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| 20:59.26 | OptimizedCoder | jhutchins, nope, I just need this specific version of python for the compile/build of anpther app |
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| 20:59.51 | anonnumberanon | waqstar, how do you remove a user though? |
| 21:00.12 | waqstar | userdel username |
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| 21:05.54 | babilen | knoxy: Turn that off please |
| 21:06.04 | anonnumberanon | waqstar, it worked, thanks |
| 21:06.07 | AnimalFarmPig | Hi. I'm running openbox and trying to use nm-applet. When I try to connect to a wifi network, I get "Not authorized to control networking." My user is already a member of the netdev group. Any ideas? |
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| 21:07.39 | AnimalFarmPig | Ideally, I want to use network-manager to automatically connect to wired, wireless, and mobile broadband networks (in that order of preference) at boot time, even when no users are logged in. Feasible? |
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| 21:12.14 | jhutchins | AnimalFarmPig: Certainly that's what network-manager is intended to do. The question is whether openbox is providing the necessary support for the applet. |
| 21:12.31 | jhutchins | AnimalFarmPig: It's worked find for me in xfce (and of course in KDE). |
| 21:12.59 | jhutchins | AnimalFarmPig: How reasonable would it be to install a different DE and see if it worked there? |
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| 21:13.11 | AnimalFarmPig | jhutchins, yeah, I'm working on a in-vehicle mapping / tracking system for work. It just boots to a browser window as an unprivileged user. Trying to avoid installing unnecessary software |
| 21:13.12 | jhutchins | AnimalFarmPig: Which release are you on? |
| 21:13.16 | AnimalFarmPig | jhutchins, wheezy |
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| 21:13.37 | brutal_chaos | Is it common/normal to have untrusted packages for testing? |
| 21:13.56 | AnimalFarmPig | jhutchins, I just logged in as my user, did a sudo nm-applet and was able to edit settings there. Rebooting to see if the "connect automatically" option actually worked |
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| 21:14.18 | jhutchins | AnimalFarmPig: Have you logged the user out and back in again? |
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| 21:17.55 | AnimalFarmPig | jhutchins, pardon, someone just walked in to my office. Yes, I logged out logged back in after adding my user to netdev. Machine should be rebooted now, going to check to see if it worked... |
| 21:19.14 | AnimalFarmPig | and no it didn't. It seems it can connect automatically to wired, but not mobile broadband :| |
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| 21:20.44 | AnimalFarmPig | mobile broadband connection stays up if I log out, but doesn't start automatically at boot time |
| 21:21.02 | AnimalFarmPig | I should be able to script it with nmcli, but documentation is somewhat inadequate |
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| 21:24.37 | jhutchins | AnimalFarmPig: I've never had to do anything special to get wifi up at login. Having it come up at boot, before login, requires different methods. |
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| 21:26.55 | AnimalFarmPig | jhutchins, gotcha. I understand it's a rather weird problem. I'll play around with the nmcli tool a bit more and, if I can get it working, I can likely put together a small daemon to do what I want |
| 21:26.58 | AnimalFarmPig | thanks for the help |
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| 21:29.27 | jhutchins | AnimalFarmPig: You could see if the gnome nm applet worked. The CLI applet has been poorly supported. |
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| 21:30.01 | jhutchins | AnimalFarmPig: I see that you said "at boot time, even when no users are logged in. |
| 21:31.02 | AnimalFarmPig | jhutchins, yes, I was able to configure things in nm-applet by running it as root. So, I can see that at least the wireless and mobile broadband connections work. I've found what looks like a decent Python library for interacting with nm, so I think I should be able to make it do what I want |
| 21:31.08 | jhutchins | AnimalFarmPig: The ability to set up a "system connection" (or similar language) has appeared and disappeared in the NM clients. |
| 21:31.16 | jhutchins | AnimalFarmPig: That would be what you want. |
| 21:31.17 | AnimalFarmPig | ahh.... I see |
| 21:31.43 | jhutchins | AnimalFarmPig: Sounds like you're on the right path. |
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| 21:32.23 | AnimalFarmPig | thanks. Oh, now it's connecting to wifi at boot time, which is nice |
| 21:32.45 | AnimalFarmPig | thanks again for the help. I'll look around for 'system connection' related stuff. |
| 21:32.46 | babilen | AnimalFarmPig: Well, system connections (those that are "available to all users") will be brought up during boot as soon as nm starts |
| 21:33.23 | babilen | Look for "available for all users" rather than "system connections" |
| 21:33.31 | AnimalFarmPig | babilen, I set the mobile broadband as 'connect automatically' and 'available to all users' in the gnome nm-applet ui, but it doesn't seem to come up |
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| 21:34.21 | jhutchins | babilen: Thanks, I think the terminology has been fluid. |
| 21:35.09 | babilen | ack |
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| 21:36.11 | babilen | AnimalFarmPig: I've never used mobile broadband in earnest, so I can't really help you with that. I do know, however, that wifi connections that are marked as being available to all users will be configured at boot time |
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| 21:37.24 | AnimalFarmPig | babilen, my first time using it in earnest as well. It's actually become much nicer and easier with NetworkManager as opposed to pppconfig / wvdial. But, it seems it's still a hairy area :) |
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| 21:37.52 | AnimalFarmPig | I have some better ideas now. Gonna get back to coding. Best regards. |
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| 21:39.25 | sebastian_ | Hello everyone. I need some help getting crunchbang installed in a raid 0. Is there a chance any of you could assist me? |
| 21:39.45 | babilen | dpkg: crunchbang |
| 21:39.45 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 21:43.15 | jhutchins | sebastian_: We'd be happy to help you install Debian. |
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| 21:50.49 | MACscr | Anyone got any tips on whats wrong with my partitions template? http://hastebin.com/xudiyojora.vala. The pxe install process says it cant find a root file systems |
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| 21:56.37 | ted20 | Hi! How to edit mp3 tags in console? |
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| 21:58.09 | centrx | ted20, There appear to be several command-line tools for that |
| 21:58.14 | centrx | ted20, mp3 tags are called ID3 tags |
| 21:58.20 | AimHere | ted20 mp3info is one such program |
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| 21:58.43 | AimHere | But also apt-cache search on id3 might be a good plan |
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| 22:04.09 | tremon | MACscr: can you repaste that on a site that doesn't require javascript? |
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| 22:04.19 | tremon | (e.g. paste.debian.net) |
| 22:04.27 | MACscr | tremon: http://hastebin.com/raw/xudiyojora |
| 22:04.41 | tremon | thx |
| 22:04.48 | MACscr | np, thank you for even looking into it |
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| 22:05.28 | grnmtn | ted20: there are many CLI tools for editing tags, but I've never found an ncurses style tool (in case that's what you're looking for) |
| 22:05.51 | tremon | where in the install does it fail? does it fail in the partitioning step already, or later? |
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| 22:06.59 | glycol | hi people, what does this "not automatic: wheezy-backports(..)" mean in synaptic? |
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| 22:07.52 | tremon | glycol: that newer packages in -backports are not automatically installed as upgrades to installed packages. You have to select such upgrades explicitly |
| 22:08.39 | MACscr | tremon: http://www.screencast.com/t/GuoMer92avFp |
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| 22:08.54 | MACscr | let me look to see if the syslog during hte install says anything |
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| 22:10.15 | tremon | MACscr: my partitioning recipes have an additional argument (min weight max FS $opts). I don't remember the details, but try adding $default_filesystem at the end of the 8000 50 8100 line |
| 22:11.04 | glycol | tremon: im trying to install samba and i remember that i force-upgraded libsmbclient and other stuff manually because vlc from backports needed it, now i get a similar thing while trying to install samba and i was wondering if there's some command-line option to make wheezy-backports 'automatic' because hunting down dependencies and force-upgrading manually took a lot of time |
| 22:11.44 | MACscr | tremon: ok. i will try that. BTW, here is a screenshot of the tailed syslog from my java console http://www.screencast.com/t/jwDCYaTDN |
| 22:12.06 | tremon | glycol: once packages from -backports are installed, any updates for them are (should be) installed automatically. Try running apt-get install -f and paste the output |
| 22:14.38 | tremon | iirc, partman recipes also fail if you have multiple drives. Not sure if that applies regardless of the recipe, or only applies to multiple-drive recipes |
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| 22:15.29 | glycol | tremon: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:15.29 | glycol | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.29 | glycol | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.34 | tremon | !paste |
| 22:15.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 22:16.06 | glycol | i tought the limit was 3 lines here :p |
| 22:16.17 | tremon | glycol: you're running wheezy-backports on a squeeze system? |
| 22:16.27 | glycol | no, on wheezy |
| 22:16.38 | tremon | oh nvm. I looked wrong |
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| 22:17.41 | MACscr | tremon: that didnt seem to make a difference =/ |
| 22:17.44 | tremon | glycol: can you paste the output of apt-cache policy samba? |
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| 22:19.00 | glycol | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/81968/ |
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| 22:20.18 | tremon | MACscr: I don't see anything obviously wrong with it. I'll keep staring at it for a while, maybe they'll bite |
| 22:21.39 | MACscr | tremon: i got it |
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| 22:22.01 | MACscr | lol, i dont think $default_filesystem was defined. So i changed it to ext2 |
| 22:22.15 | MACscr | and then i also fixed a spacing issue with the { / } |
| 22:22.34 | tremon | hmm, I don't see a partman-auto/choose_recipe line. |
| 22:22.46 | MACscr | though now it seems the install is stalling at a point where it asks me if i really want to proceed without a swap |
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| 22:23.29 | tremon | ok, good. You should be able to silence that too |
| 22:23.35 | tremon | probably the choose_recipe isn't necessary when only one is defined. |
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| 22:23.48 | MACscr | right |
| 22:23.54 | MACscr | no clue how to silence that |
| 22:24.05 | MACscr | seems there is very little docs on this stuff |
| 22:24.07 | busch | General question: How can i get my self-written software onto the debian mirrors so everybody could install it via apt/aptitude? |
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| 22:25.08 | tremon | MACscr: add DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 to your installer (kernel) cmdline. It will log all questions to syslog, so you can see which variable is being asked |
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| 22:26.49 | tremon | glycol: ah, samba isn't installed yet. Yes, then you need to be explicit about backports. Don't know how synaptic does that, but with apt it's apt-get -t wheezy-backports [..] |
| 22:26.54 | centrx | busch, 1) Make the package yourself and get a Debian Developer to sponsor it, 2) Get a Debian Developer to make and maintain the package for you, 3) File an RFP (Request For Package) and hope a Debian Developer packages it, 4) Become a Debian Developer |
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| 22:27.28 | tremon | busch: those are options, not sequence points. So you need to pick only one ;) |
| 22:27.47 | centrx | dpkg, tell busch about nmg |
| 22:28.14 | gnugnu2_ | Hi |
| 22:28.19 | gnugnu2_ | So I got an interesting question! |
| 22:28.35 | centrx | is interested |
| 22:28.45 | gnugnu2_ | I added a new changelog entry to a extracted source package by using debchange -R. |
| 22:29.17 | glycol | tremon: Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.debian.org:80 (2001:610:1908:b000::148:12). - connect (101: Network is unreachable :( |
| 22:29.39 | gnugnu2_ | In the new changelog entry release UNRELEASED is indicated. |
| 22:29.48 | gnugnu2_ | So I changed it to 'updates'. But then lintian hates me. |
| 22:29.55 | gnugnu2_ | So I changed it to 'unstable' as the other entries, too. |
| 22:30.04 | MrBy | glycol: default gateway set? |
| 22:30.06 | gnugnu2_ | Now I ask myself, why those entries are all 'unstable'. |
| 22:30.15 | gnugnu2_ | The source package comes from stable repository. |
| 22:30.21 | MrBy | glycol: any firewall in between? |
| 22:30.39 | glycol | mrby: just a router |
| 22:30.44 | tremon | glycol: well, you shouldn't be using ftp.debian.org, so that's fine. Try a national mirror or http.debian.net |
| 22:30.55 | busch | centrx: Thanks for the explanation |
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| 22:31.58 | gnugnu2_ | centrx: so why are all entries Untable? |
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| 22:32.06 | gnugnu2_ | centrx: when the source package is from stable? |
| 22:32.16 | tremon | glycol: another option is to edit /etc/gai.conf and make glibc prefer ipv4 connections (second-to-last paragraph) |
| 22:32.17 | MrBy | glycol: what does "ip r s" show ? |
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| 22:33.36 | glycol | default via 192.168.0.1 dev eth0 proto static |
| 22:33.36 | glycol | 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.0.101 *newline* 192.168.56.0/24 dev vboxnet0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.56.1 |
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| 22:34.14 | MrBy | glycol: telnet ftp.debian.org 80 |
| 22:34.18 | MACscr | tremon: i added that line and i see a bunch of "anna" debug entries, but no nothing about swap at all in the syslog |
| 22:34.23 | MrBy | glycol: what does it say? |
| 22:34.39 | tremon | MACscr: hmm, let me check my notes again ;) |
| 22:34.39 | glycol | telnet: could not resolve ftp.debian.org/80: Name or service not known |
| 22:34.54 | MrBy | glycol: host ftp.debian.org |
| 22:34.58 | xmetal | :) ... finally not in debian (Virtualbox) anymore ... installed it on my hdd |
| 22:35.03 | MrBy | glycol: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:35.58 | glycol | ftp.debian.org has address 130.89.148.12 |
| 22:35.59 | glycol | ftp.debian.org has IPv6 address 2001:610:1908:b000::148:12 //also something "mail is handled by 0" |
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| 22:36.21 | glycol | # Generated by NetworkManager |
| 22:36.21 | glycol | nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
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| 22:37.01 | acerspyro | Hello, I've downloaded Debian's net install ISO file, and when I'm at the setup menu, it asks me to enter a CD in my drive? |
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| 22:37.29 | MrBy | glycol: than a firewall/packet filter is blocking the connection |
| 22:37.34 | centrx | Did you...burn the net install ISO or did you just download it |
| 22:37.50 | acerspyro | centrx: lol, I DD'd it to my USB stick |
| 22:37.58 | acerspyro | And yes, it boots from it and everything |
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| 22:38.15 | acerspyro | But then it asks me to enter a CD in the drive, and I see no option to install from the internet |
| 22:38.33 | themill | acerspyro: "the setup menu"? |
| 22:38.47 | tremon | MACscr: you can try adding dbg/flags=all-x as well, but according to my notes (and http://www.hands.com/d-i/ ) the DEBCONF_DEBUG is the correct one. Maybe the large amount of debug is simply obscuring the relevant lines? Tried scrolling back with shift-pgup? |
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| 22:39.03 | acerspyro | themill: Well, the Debian boot menu |
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| 22:39.46 | themill | acerspyro: What *precisely* do you have in front of you? Can you take a photo and upload it? |
| 22:39.49 | MACscr | tremon: i did a case insensitive grep for swap and didnt find anything |
| 22:40.05 | themill | acerspyro: also, precisely which image did you download? |
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| 22:40.23 | acerspyro | https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=das_kjVr81mNCM&tbnid=vQt4sdHt9drgjM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.if-not-true-then-false.com%2F2012%2Fdebian-unstable-testing-netinstall%2F&ei=z0n9UpCdO4Kq0QGl54HoAg&bvm=bv.61190604,d.dmQ&psig=AFQjCNGvmfbXw3OxSqFk8RQ2OgBi07oDFA&ust=1392417610033304 |
| 22:40.25 | acerspyro | Whoops |
| 22:40.38 | acerspyro | http://media.if-not-true-then-false.com/2012/08/01-debian-grub.png |
| 22:40.44 | acerspyro | It's this screen |
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| 22:41.12 | MACscr | tremon: partman-basicfilesystems partman-basicfilesystems/no_swap boolean false |
| 22:41.20 | themill | acerspyro: and if you select Install, it immediately asks you to put in a CD? |
| 22:41.29 | acerspyro | Then I do "Install", it asks me my language, country, layout, then tries to check for CD-ROM drives, and fails to find my DVD drive. |
| 22:41.39 | themill | so not the boot menu... |
| 22:41.43 | acerspyro | Then it says that a step failed. |
| 22:42.19 | tremon | acerspyro: it might be that the installer is not detecting any networking hardware. Is this a recent machine, or does your network card need firmware? |
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| 22:42.33 | acerspyro | I don't think it needs firmware |
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| 22:42.57 | acerspyro | All I know is that my mobo is a gaming ASUS mobo, can't recall the model |
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| 22:43.32 | acerspyro | Well, actually, I DD'd it to a hard drive. |
| 22:43.37 | acerspyro | DD'd the ISO |
| 22:43.50 | acerspyro | Should I point it to my harddrive instead of my DVD drive? |
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| 22:44.21 | MACscr | tremon: well at least a blog article from 2009 mentions that |
| 22:44.38 | MACscr | i dont think that syntax is right for debian now and im not 100% sure where int eh template process it should go |
| 22:44.43 | MACscr | http://tech.mariusb.com/2009/programming/debian-preseed-with-no-swap.html |
| 22:45.43 | tremon | MACscr: it doesn't really matter where you put it. The entire preseed file is read before the installation process is started anyway |
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| 22:46.37 | acerspyro | tremon: should I point my DVD drive to my booting hard drive's path? |
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| 22:50.15 | tremon | acerspyro: I don't think that will work. I have a pxeboot setup here, so I never boot from usb or disc. Try to check your downloaded file (md5sum) and write it again. If you can't get it to work, maybe ask #debian-boot on oftc |
| 22:50.40 | acerspyro | kk |
| 22:50.52 | acerspyro | ty |
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| 22:50.57 | glycol | if i edit /etc/gai.conf is it enough to do 'service network-manager restart' for it to take effect? |
| 22:51.12 | tremon | you don't need to restart anything |
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| 22:52.09 | ajoul | I am trying to install debian and I am in partition settings |
| 22:52.12 | ajoul | it says Use as: |
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| 22:52.28 | ajoul | what should I put the file system format |
| 22:52.31 | ajoul | my options are ext4 |
| 22:52.34 | ajoul | etc |
| 22:53.12 | ajoul | I have ext4 ext2 btrfs JFS XFS FAT16 FAT32 swap area physical volume for encryption |
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| 22:53.19 | tremon | it doesn't matter that much. Go with ext4 unless you know you have specific requirements. |
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| 22:54.21 | ajoul | should I configure a swap partition and if so how much |
| 22:55.28 | tremon | is this a laptop that you might want to hibernate (suspend-to-disk)? |
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| 22:55.53 | glycol | tremon: how am i exactly meant to edit gai.conf? |
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| 22:56.50 | ajoul | tremon its not a laptop |
| 22:56.52 | mrdeb | 7,4 is out |
| 22:57.17 | glycol | uncomment the three lines after the second-to-last paragraph? |
| 22:57.20 | tremon | glycol: at the end of the file, there is a line "For sites which prefer IPv4 connections...". Uncomment the line following that. Then any progarm should prefer to connect over ipv4 instead of ipv6 |
| 22:57.23 | ajoul | tremon I have 8GB of memory but you never know |
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| 22:59.17 | Dagger | if you have no v6, your programs should prefer to connect over v4 anyway |
| 22:59.28 | Dagger | (and if you have v6 but it's broken, why not fix the v6?) |
| 23:00.02 | ajoul | anyone tell me if I should create a swap partition or not? |
| 23:00.05 | tremon | ajoul: I never allocate more than 2GB swap unless it's a production server, then I might allocate some more. |
| 23:00.16 | ajoul | thx |
| 23:00.20 | mallxs | trying to install ia32-bit on a amd64 wheezy; is there a read for the correct way to do this ? |
| 23:01.23 | tremon | assuming you mean ia32-libs, https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 23:01.46 | glycol | ajoul: i don't have swap, sometimes google-earth manages to eat all my ram before i notice and it's too late |
| 23:02.00 | p0ly | does debian have a log or something in which i can check reason for shutdowns? |
| 23:02.00 | mallxs | ia32-bitthx |
| 23:02.15 | ajoul | glycol, what type of swap memory should I allocate it as, logical or primary? |
| 23:02.31 | Dagger | consider e.g. swapspace for the "oh crap" moments |
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| 23:02.50 | Dagger | (but if you want hibernate support then you'll want some permanent swap too (but I know nothing about hibernate on Linux)) |
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| 23:03.51 | Lat | I can't remember if one can set up hibernate with a fileswap instead of a partition |
| 23:04.06 | glycol | ajoul: afaik it doesn't matter, just choose the default choice if there is one |
| 23:04.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | glycol, you can set ulimits against that kind of thing, I guess... still... diskspace's cheap, why not have swap |
| 23:04.26 | Okee | Does anyone on here use Inkscape? |
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| 23:04.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, does anyone use inkscape |
| 23:04.42 | dpkg | i don't know, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 23:04.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, anyone use inkscape |
| 23:04.50 | dpkg | No, no one uses inkscape, not even the people who use it. |
| 23:04.56 | Lat | heh, but the 2.5 times the ram rule is still huge |
| 23:04.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | there, I just KNEW it! |
| 23:05.10 | xmetal | lol dpkg |
| 23:05.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lat, what's 25G diskspace today... |
| 23:05.24 | mo1991 | has anyone installed the steam package in the jessie repository? I am getting an error Couldn't find bootstrap, it's not safe to reset Steam after steam updates - I am using wheezy and just installed the one steam.deb from jessie all other packages are stable. Steam had all dependancies satisfied from mutliarch, etc - so not sure whats causing this |
| 23:05.41 | glycol | i got that too |
| 23:05.56 | ajoul | how big should root vs home partition be? |
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| 23:06.02 | glycol | mo1991: eventually i had to download some guy's .deb off github and that worked |
| 23:06.03 | mo1991 | does the steam package work proper in jessie? I'm not going to install jessie as I stick with stable , just curious if this is because of wheezy or just a steam issue? |
| 23:06.09 | ajoul | should I even set a home partition? |
| 23:06.10 | Lat | ajoul, depends what you'll do |
| 23:06.21 | Lat | ajoul, home desktop/laptop? |
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| 23:06.45 | ajoul | home desktop |
| 23:06.47 | mo1991 | ah, ok thanks glycol - I've installed that way previously on old install and it worked, just figured i'd try the "offical" debian package this time. Guess it's not up to speed yet. |
| 23:06.54 | ajoul | I just made a root partition |
| 23:06.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Okee, custom is... if you have a question, ask it... don't do polls like "does anyone use xxx"... if that indeed *was* your real question, then /msg dpkg popcon |
| 23:06.59 | ajoul | and I am the only user |
| 23:07.00 | tremon | ajoul: 12-20G should be enough for the system, unless you'll be installing lots of 3rd-party apps (for example, each android sdk version adds 1G) |
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| 23:07.36 | tremon | CutMeOwnThroat: you wanted !poll? |
| 23:07.39 | glycol | mo1991: i think it's this one: https://github.com/GhostSquad57/Steam-Installer-for-Wheezy previously there were only .sh's for installing it |
| 23:08.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, I'm trying the personal touch, so hush! |
| 23:08.37 | mo1991 | actually futher review says I'm missing the 32 bit libc.so.6 - so I'm going to try to resolve that first and see if it works |
| 23:08.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, ;) |
| 23:09.01 | Lat | I use root:20GB /data:the rest ; then in /data just put your personal stuff |
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| 23:09.25 | tremon | I thought I'd be helpful in case you were looking for it ;) |
| 23:10.28 | Okee | Can someone tell me how to view page 2 in a pdf document when viewed through Inkscape? |
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| 23:10.38 | Okee | dpkg doesn't know the answer to this. |
| 23:10.39 | dpkg | Okee: i don't know |
| 23:10.44 | mo1991 | libc.so.6 is in the libc6-386 package. hmm I already have that installed. may not be the problem |
| 23:11.02 | mo1991 | glycol - thanks |
| 23:11.30 | glycol | mo1991: did it install? |
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| 23:12.46 | maitake | anyone had any luck installing an nvidia driver newer than what's provided by jessie repos? |
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| 23:12.59 | mo1991 | glycol - I'm still trying to get the "debian" package from jessie to work. It's looking for libc.so.6 file, which should be installed via libc6-386 - perhaps I need to do a sym link or something. I do appreciate the link for the original wheezy install deb, as I may need to just use that |
| 23:13.18 | maitake | mo1991: you trying to get steam running by chance? had a similar issue |
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| 23:13.32 | glycol | mo1991: isn't that package looking for a libc that is too new for wheezy? |
| 23:13.33 | mrdeb | does intel 2500 gpu or haswell work good on linux out of box |
| 23:13.38 | mo1991 | If I recall, however, that package added an update repository to pull from, and I don't like adding non debian repositories |
| 23:13.38 | tremon | mo1991: you're looking for libc6:i386, however... |
| 23:13.42 | tremon | !frankendebian |
| 23:13.42 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 23:13.43 | mo1991 | maitake - yes |
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| 23:14.59 | mo1991 | tremon - I think the dummy package links to it. either way I have both libc6-386 and libc6:386 installed. So libc.so.6 should be installed also. Don't know why steam can't find it |
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| 23:15.01 | maitake | wow that seems like a poor attitude to be honest. we're only asking for advice from people who may know debian well, and understand the risks |
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| 23:16.09 | glycol | maitake: installing nvidia drivers using their .run files isn't too bad |
| 23:16.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Okee, that's more a question for #inkscape... but short answer is, you cannot. extract page 2 of the pdf (i.e. by printing to postscript), then open that. there's "pdf2svg" in debian, which generally converts pdf to svg better than whatever inkscape uses internally... you can give the page-number you want to convert in that one |
| 23:16.35 | maitake | glycol: yeah i was thinking about trying again.. i had a rough time using the .run installer earlier, but i think my dependencies are in order now |
| 23:16.47 | mo1991 | tremon - frankendebian is why I don't add other repositories - I've been through that. In this case the only package I individually installed was the steam package downloaded as only this file from the Jessie ftp site |
| 23:17.24 | glycol | you just have to stop X, dkms probably doesn't work, and you get lots of stupid dialogs |
| 23:17.27 | Okee | CutYourThroat> I am not trying to convert to svg, but to fill out the PDF and sign it. Inkscape does this nicely, but I am wondering if there is something wrong with the file? Only page 1 is showing up in other pdf programs, so I need to do some more investigaiton. |
| 23:17.51 | maitake | glycol: found out the hard way :) |
| 23:17.53 | tremon | maitake: the point is that debian packages are only tested in combination with the packages from the same release. Mixing multiple debian releases very quickly leads to a dependency nightmate |
| 23:18.00 | tremon | s/mate/mare/ |
| 23:18.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Okee, inkscape is editing svg, so if you use it to open pdf, that *is* what you'Re doing |
| 23:18.30 | glycol | maitake: last time i tried if you select "yes" to install some dkms stuff and it doesn't succeed the whole installation fails |
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| 23:18.53 | Okee | CutThroat> File indicates PDF -- even after it is filled out, so I am not sure I understand your point. |
| 23:18.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Okee, and it can only handle one page at a time. it's not made for opening multi-page pdf. use evince if it's aproper pdf-form |
| 23:19.33 | mo1991 | tremon and maitake - this can become a nightmare particularly quickly when using mutliarch needed for things like steam - as testing and sid do not necessarily have the correct 386 dependancies, and updating things to testing or sid on amd64 can really lead to nightmares on the 386 stuff |
| 23:19.37 | Okee | I am having a dependcy problem with Evince, and it won't install; instead I installed Ocular, but Ocular can't see more than one page as well. |
| 23:19.42 | themill | Okee: you might like something like xournal for scribbling on forms |
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| 23:19.45 | glycol | maitake: and when you upgrade the kernel you have to reinstall the driver manually or you don't get video after bootup |
| 23:19.57 | themill | Okee: okular does multipage PDFs quite fine... is this PDF broken? |
| 23:20.08 | maitake | glycol: yeah that's okay. i don't upgrade kernel without preparing first anyway |
| 23:20.17 | Okee | themill>. Will xournal allow me to type in letters? |
| 23:20.22 | themill | yes |
| 23:21.38 | glycol | maitake: the downside with the proprietary dirvers in the debian repo is that on amd64 32bit opengl apps don't work, but dkms works |
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| 23:22.43 | maitake | glycol: okay got it. thanks for the advice |
| 23:22.50 | glycol | there's somekind of bug with glx-diversions atm |
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| 23:23.13 | maitake | see tremon? decent advice from debian cats.. that's not so hard huh |
| 23:25.06 | tremon | maitake: I wasn't responding to you. I was responding to mo1991 who was looking for a way to install libc6 from jessie on his stable system |
| 23:25.39 | maitake | regardless i just think it would be nice if people weren't so rigid with a distribution support channel |
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| 23:26.11 | mallxs | tremon: that worked for me .. thx |
| 23:26.12 | maitake | or perhaps taking a different approach.. perhaps "we may not be able to help you here" instead of "take your unstable questions to ##linux" |
| 23:26.27 | maitake | "we don't want to hear it" |
| 23:26.33 | tremon | we have #debian-next for that :) |
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| 23:26.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there are some things that are unsupportable, so we don't support them |
| 23:26.59 | maitake | well, looks like i'm headed there then |
| 23:27.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | demand your money back, then! |
| 23:27.07 | mo1991 | tremon - I'm not looking to install libc6 form jessie. Alll system packages are wheezy and I keep them that way :) |
| 23:28.02 | mo1991 | it's just strange that the steam program can't find libc.so.6 as it is installed - via the wheezy package libc6:i386 |
| 23:28.12 | glycol | mo1991: if you have multiarch enabled that .deb from github should work |
| 23:28.25 | maitake | tremon: "you must be invited" |
| 23:28.26 | tremon | mo1991: ok, maybe I misread. But iirc the steam package from jessie can't work with the libc6 from stable (too old) |
| 23:28.50 | tremon | maitake: sorry, it's on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:28.50 | themill | maitake: "don't mix releases" and "if you do we won't be able to help you" is actually the advice that factoid is giving. It's not a push away. |
| 23:28.59 | mo1991 | tremon - ah, ok that's where my problem lies then. Thanks. |
| 23:29.16 | glycol | mo1991: do you have multiarch enabled? dpkg --add-architecture i386; apt-get update; |
| 23:29.22 | mo1991 | yes, I do |
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| 23:30.00 | glycol | then the deb should work, and the one from jessie won't, i tried hard trust me ;) |
| 23:30.14 | mo1991 | I have all the dependancies, wine runs games fine. As tremon said tho the pacakge in jesssie seems to be looking for a newer version of libc6. SO i will go with the deb you pointed me to. Thanks |
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| 23:31.23 | tremon | mo1991: I'm not using steam so if other people know better, feel free to ignore me. I've just seen the question come up many times here :) |
| 23:31.42 | mrdeb | what is some good 3d app to show off on debian |
| 23:31.57 | Okee | themill> I am using xournal, and so far it looks pretty good. I am able to fill out the forms. |
| 23:32.31 | glycol | mrdeb: "metro: last light"? |
| 23:32.59 | mrdeb | what is that |
| 23:33.04 | mrdeb | is there some good super pixel compressed game |
| 23:33.09 | mrdeb | those ar best |
| 23:33.17 | themill | Okee: cook |
| 23:33.19 | themill | l |
| 23:33.26 | glycol | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSrjHc41P5c |
| 23:33.34 | Okee | themill> What is coook? |
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| 23:37.15 | mo1991 | glycol - where is the actual .deb file on the page you sent me the link for? Do I need to login to github? |
| 23:37.28 | glycol | last file on there |
| 23:37.43 | glycol | https://github.com/GhostSquad57/Steam-Installer-for-Wheezy/blob/master/steam-debian_1.0.0.47-4_all.deb |
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| 23:39.54 | owshu | when checking checksums with md5sum using a file containing correct sums, can md5sum be instructed not to print errors for missing files? |
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| 23:40.12 | mo1991 | glycol - got it thanks. missed the dropbox link on the bottom |
| 23:40.36 | mo1991 | steam is updating now |
| 23:40.38 | ectospasm | owshu: those missing file warnings are usually to stderr |
| 23:41.24 | maitake | forgot your name already, but whoever just gave tips for dealing with the propietary driver, thanks a bunch. worked perfect! |
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| 23:42.20 | nabblet | make a memorial for the nameless irc super-helper-hero :) |
| 23:42.27 | glycol | mo1991: bootstrapping for steam actually means downloading ~1GB of ubuntu binaries in your ~/.steam ;) |
| 23:42.50 | nabblet | maitake: was is glycol ? |
| 23:42.57 | maitake | yes it was |
| 23:43.00 | nabblet | :) |
| 23:43.25 | maitake | one question.. why is #debian-next on another network? |
| 23:43.41 | themill | maitake: most (all?) of debian's channels are on irc.oftc.net |
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| 23:43.53 | maitake | ah! |
| 23:44.06 | tremon | it's actually #debian that's on a different network (freenode). |
| 23:44.15 | tremon | irc.debian.org is an alias for irc.oftc.net |
| 23:44.16 | themill | well #d is there too |
| 23:44.24 | maitake | i see |
| 23:44.26 | tremon | #d ? |
| 23:44.42 | maitake | this is quite an active channel regardless.. freenode huh |
| 23:45.00 | Cavedude | So this is not the official IRC channel for Debian? |
| 23:45.08 | maitake | apparently not |
| 23:45.15 | Cavedude | ah wll |
| 23:46.00 | themill | "official" has little meaning |
| 23:46.44 | tremon | most of the channels on oftc are aimed more towards debian development rather than user support |
| 23:46.59 | Cavedude | I see |
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| 23:53.04 | Urk | I filled out and signed the form with xournal, but the program only saves the files with an xoj extension. Is there a way to save the files in pdf? |
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| 23:53.30 | themill | Urk: File -> Export as PDF |
| 23:53.39 | Urk | themill> Thanks. |
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| 23:56.42 | atannus | Is it correct to set an environment variable via: sudo su www-data -c "export foo=bar" ? |
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| 23:58.09 | themill | that's wrong on so many levels. What are you *really* trying to do? |
| 23:58.49 | atannus | Set and environment variable for www-data. |
| 23:59.00 | atannus | For that user's environment. |
| 23:59.06 | themill | www-data is a user; processes have environment variables. |
| 23:59.46 | themill | for apache httpd? |
| 23:59.50 | atannus | That explains why it works when I sudo su as www-data and set it. |
