| 00:00.01 | atannus | php cli |
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| 00:00.15 | atannus | I want to run cli scripts as www-data with a certain env var set. |
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| 00:01.12 | themill | by hand or from cron or something similar? |
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| 00:02.03 | atannus | by hand. I'm running the script via: sudo su www-data -c "yadda..." |
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| 00:03.13 | atannus | So, I put the export command along with that one into a script file and called that. It didn't work, so I tried calling it as www-data, didn't work either. |
| 00:03.20 | themill | so "sudo su" is crazy. sudo has a -u option. If you're going to be doing this a lot, then wrapping the call to php in a script would be easiest |
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| 00:03.42 | atannus | I tried that... I think. |
| 00:04.21 | atannus | The script contains: export foo=bar; php script.php; |
| 00:04.37 | atannus | I run the script with su www-data -c script |
| 00:04.52 | atannus | But the env var is not set. |
| 00:04.57 | themill | I assume it wasn't actually called "script" |
| 00:05.12 | atannus | heh, no... would it matter though? |
| 00:05.30 | themill | since there's a /usr/bin/script, yes :) |
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| 00:05.42 | themill | "sudo -u www-data /path/to/script" would do as you want |
| 00:05.42 | atannus | ok, it wasn't though. |
| 00:05.56 | atannus | let me try that... |
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| 00:06.07 | atannus | the problem is the environment variable, it does not get set. |
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| 00:06.30 | themill | put "env" in your script as a command just before php is run |
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| 00:06.59 | atannus | whats that do? |
| 00:07.09 | themill | displays the environment |
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| 00:07.50 | atannus | so it has. |
| 00:08.03 | atannus | same as environment -p eh? |
| 00:08.34 | themill | no idea what "environment -p" is |
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| 00:10.29 | atannus | sorry, export -p |
| 00:11.19 | atannus | It still does not work. |
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| 00:11.32 | themill | but the environment variable is set |
| 00:11.38 | atannus | not set. |
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| 00:11.48 | themill | perhaps you could pastebin your script and the entire output? |
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| 00:11.57 | themill | (and command you run) |
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| 00:16.02 | atannus | http://paste.debian.net/81980/ |
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| 00:17.00 | atannus | If I run: "sudo -u www-data ./run-tests" it works, but I just want to run: "./run-tests" |
| 00:17.24 | themill | you probably want a #!/bin/sh at the beginning btw |
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| 00:18.09 | atannus | done... |
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| 00:19.02 | atannus | I tried to become www-data, set the variable then run the script, no good. Tried to set the variable then run the script both with sudo -u www-data, no good. |
| 00:19.26 | atannus | Tried a one-liner, no good. |
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| 00:20.40 | themill | atannus: you could do something icky like http://paste.debian.net/81982/ to have the script re-exec itself with sudo |
| 00:21.12 | themill | err... line 4 should be sudo -u www-data $0, obviously |
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| 00:21.37 | atannus | hah, not obviously. |
| 00:21.45 | atannus | I did something ickier that worked. |
| 00:22.03 | atannus | I created a second script, which calls the first as www-data, and that worked. |
| 00:22.09 | atannus | wtf? |
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| 00:23.26 | themill | well you said earlier that worked -- <atannus> If I run: "sudo -u www-data ./run-tests" it works |
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| 00:28.25 | atannus | I'd rather have it all in a single script, though... I'll come back to this, I need to eat. Thanks themill |
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| 00:32.09 | a2nd | Hello, how do I add the repos containing the games? Such a Red Eclipse |
| 00:32.50 | a2nd | I am losing internet soon, and don't want to bore myself with my new OS |
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| 00:33.52 | nkuttler | !tell a2nd about non-free |
| 00:34.00 | nkuttler | !tell a2nd about contrib |
| 00:34.02 | a2nd | Red Eclipse is OSS |
| 00:34.11 | a2nd | And my Games session is empty |
| 00:34.32 | phox | or you go find another repo for it and add it to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:34.39 | phox | or you just download a .deb and install it, whatever. |
| 00:34.47 | a2nd | It has no deb on their website |
| 00:34.50 | a2nd | only source install |
| 00:35.04 | themill | atannus: no worries -- the script calling itself again with sudo should work. Ugly but effective. |
| 00:35.08 | phox | so that means there is no answer to your "how do I add repos" if there is no repo |
| 00:35.25 | phox | you can either install from source (messy) or you can learn to make debian packages or just use something like checkinstall |
| 00:35.28 | phox | whatever. |
| 00:35.31 | a2nd | phox: my games section in my pckage manager is empty, this is very abnormal. |
| 00:35.35 | phox | OR install to a prefix dir under your homedir or something, whatever |
| 00:35.44 | phox | your package manager? |
| 00:35.50 | phox | I don't remember apt having sections |
| 00:36.01 | a2nd | gpk-application |
| 00:36.04 | phox | maybe you want #yourpackagemanager |
| 00:36.10 | a2nd | Package manager coming with GNOME |
| 00:36.27 | a2nd | phox: no games are available in apt-get whatsoever |
| 00:36.37 | Zharf | phox, apt-cache show <somepackage> has sections :) |
| 00:36.44 | phox | Zharf: hm |
| 00:37.09 | Zharf | apt-cache search eclipse |
| 00:37.10 | Zharf | redeclipse - multiplayer FPS game based on Cube2 |
| 00:37.10 | phox | anyways. debian uses apt and related, not this other thing that from what google is telling me seems to be targetted for Fedora more-or-less |
| 00:37.16 | Zharf | I have redeclipse in my apt listing |
| 00:37.24 | Zharf | but then I run sid |
| 00:37.25 | phox | heh. |
| 00:37.31 | Zharf | not sure if it exists in others |
| 00:37.35 | phox | as do I |
| 00:37.38 | a2nd | It's that package |
| 00:37.51 | a2nd | But it's not on my system, all I see is Eclipse |
| 00:37.51 | phox | and I don't have any particularly special repos set up other than sid |
| 00:38.09 | phox | "on my system" please speak in concise terms |
| 00:38.12 | phox | :) |
| 00:38.16 | a2nd | In my repos |
| 00:38.20 | phox | if you haven't installed it, no, it's not on your system |
| 00:38.24 | phox | stuff in repos is not "on your system" |
| 00:38.29 | a2nd | I know |
| 00:38.34 | a2nd | Sorry about the misleading |
| 00:38.36 | phox | it's in repos, and you tell something (apt) to go install it |
| 00:38.45 | phox | so you would apt-get install redeclipse |
| 00:38.54 | Zharf | dpkg, info redeclipse wheezy |
| 00:39.06 | a2nd | It says it can't find redeclipse |
| 00:39.06 | phox | s/^ // |
| 00:39.24 | phox | it's in contrib |
| 00:39.40 | themill | ,i redeclipse |
| 00:39.41 | judd | Package redeclipse (contrib/games, optional) in wheezy/i386: single-player and multi-player first-person ego-shooter. Version: 1.2-3; Size: 1306.1k; Installed: 4211k; Homepage: http://www.redeclipse.net |
| 00:39.54 | phox | magic. |
| 00:39.58 | a2nd | lol |
| 00:39.59 | phox | so go fix your sources.list and go install it |
| 00:40.06 | a2nd | What do I put in it |
| 00:40.12 | a2nd | I come from SuSE D: |
| 00:40.17 | phox | this is why nkuttler had the ot send you info about contrib |
| 00:40.23 | phox | !tell a2nd about contrib |
| 00:40.47 | phox | the bot will have queried you. go read. |
| 00:40.59 | a2nd | I saw, didn't notice 1st time |
| 00:41.03 | phox | ok |
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| 00:41.21 | phox | anyways, from what themill had printed there, it's in contrib (I see the same locally here), so that's what you're after. |
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| 00:42.36 | a2nd | kk |
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| 00:45.49 | a2nd | ,i redeclipse-data |
| 00:45.50 | judd | Package redeclipse-data (non-free/games, optional) in wheezy/i386: data for the Red Eclipse FPS game. Version: 1.2-1; Size: 445155.0k; Installed: 506742k; Homepage: http://www.redeclipse.net |
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| 00:47.04 | a2nd | got it |
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| 00:51.48 | a2nd | But I'm going to miss KDE very soon, probs. |
| 00:51.53 | a2nd | Whoops, wrong chat |
| 00:52.05 | phox | I don't miss Linux WMs/DEs |
| 00:52.08 | phox | at all |
| 00:52.08 | phox | :P |
| 00:52.11 | a2nd | :P |
| 00:52.52 | a2nd | I have to go now, tho |
| 00:52.54 | a2nd | Cai |
| 00:52.56 | a2nd | Bai |
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| 00:57.39 | Lars_G | do you know if any of the ubuntu cuda 5.5 releases would work well in wheezy? |
| 00:57.53 | peterrooney | !frankendebian |
| 00:57.53 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 00:59.47 | xmetal | :) @ the fact the my own problem with debian ... is me ... from time to time i keep typing debain |
| 01:00.23 | xmetal | (just tried it in virtualbox a few days ago and now its installed on the hdd "for real") |
| 01:00.28 | centrx | !debain |
| 01:00.29 | dpkg | methinks debain is often a typo of Debian. |
| 01:01.18 | phox | Deadbrain |
| 01:01.19 | phox | (: |
| 01:01.22 | xmetal | lol |
| 01:01.48 | xmetal | i think de bain and think of that guy from batman (not sure if it's spelled the same way) |
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| 01:02.29 | diegoviola | hi |
| 01:02.39 | diegoviola | when is the new debian with systemd going to be released please? |
| 01:02.53 | themill | dpkg: tell diegoviola about wwjr |
| 01:03.00 | abrotman | diegoviola: no one knows, like we told you last week |
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| 01:03.18 | diegoviola | ok sorry |
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| 01:03.27 | diegoviola | i'm excited about debian with systemd |
| 01:03.38 | centrx | Very excited |
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| 01:04.11 | centrx | diegoviola, You can install systemd in wheezy. I am not sure how well it integrates with the rest of the system. |
| 01:04.12 | nightfly | Expect it sometime in 2015-2016 |
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| 01:04.25 | diegoviola | ok thanks |
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| 01:07.02 | xmetal | well thats odd ... used (I am not new to linux, though new to debian) backports to install VLC 2.12 and now when i try to install filelight or k3b, it says broken packages (GUI Package manager) |
| 01:07.22 | xmetal | may go back to (VLC) 2.03 and stick to the regular repo :) |
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| 01:15.51 | Waxhead | Regarding the init system debate. It seems like systemd won. However as I understand a general resolution can change that. Who actually decides if there will be a general resolution? the tech committee or users?! |
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| 01:17.51 | diegoviola | Waxhead: i also would like to know that |
| 01:17.59 | diegoviola | Waxhead: are you not happy with the decision to use systemd? |
| 01:18.04 | diegoviola | just curious.. |
| 01:18.26 | phox | systemd really annoys the crap out of me sometimes. |
| 01:18.36 | phox | when stuff goes wrong it is not straightforward to clean up |
| 01:18.42 | tremon | Waxhead: not really, a discussion for here, but afaik any DD can initiate a GR process |
| 01:18.42 | Waxhead | diegoviola: Yes and no... better than upstart the way I see it but systemd is not friendly towards the less used kernels. |
| 01:18.47 | phox | like having mounts not in fstab... just no. |
| 01:19.13 | Waxhead | tremon: so systemd would be off topic here? |
| 01:19.27 | diegoviola | Waxhead: what less used kernels? |
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| 01:19.53 | Waxhead | diegoviola: freebsd, hurd. Not as "popular" as linux. However good stuff still ;) |
| 01:19.59 | tremon | preferably use -offtopic for that. We already know it's a contentious subject |
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| 01:20.22 | themill | actually, please don't take it to -offtopic as we don't want that sort of vitriolic crap in there either |
| 01:20.25 | diegoviola | debian could always stick to sysvinit for hurd or kfreebsd, no? |
| 01:20.45 | tremon | ok, #defocus then? |
| 01:21.03 | themill | #/dev/null would be the most receptive audience |
| 01:21.25 | tremon | point taken -- I don't disagree :) |
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| 01:22.49 | Waxhead | Got it. I'll quit asking about that here. However that being said it is a interesting topic and I am heading over to #totallyofftopic for those wanting to spark a feisty discussion. Cheers for now! |
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| 01:23.04 | centrx | woops |
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| 01:26.45 | mrdeb | hi |
| 01:26.54 | mrdeb | how do u disable vsync on intel ingrated |
| 01:27.34 | LtL | mrdeb: disable it! you may want a custom xorg.conf |
| 01:27.56 | LtL | seoNinjaWarrior: best of luck. keep at it |
| 01:28.07 | LtL | wrong chan sorry |
| 01:28.37 | mrdeb | i dont udnerstand just tell me what to type where |
| 01:28.41 | mrdeb | ty |
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| 01:29.19 | nightfly | learn to google |
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| 01:33.59 | phox | mrdeb: the answer to that is pretty much always going to be "no" |
| 01:34.14 | phox | if you want turn-key don't expect to be able to configure stuff like that. |
| 01:34.25 | mo1991 | wheezy will send system messages to /var/mail/root correct? I have a message from my normal user that it tried to send an email to the first user that was created during debian install - shouldn't it be sending it to root? The first user I created during install no longer exists |
| 01:34.28 | phox | ya ingrated :) |
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| 01:40.23 | mo1991 | does debian set the first user added during install to receive root@hostname emails? |
| 01:40.45 | LtL | mo1991: yes |
| 01:41.27 | mo1991 | LtL - ok, how do I change that ? as I have deleted the first user? Is this a forward file or something in the /root directory? |
| 01:42.06 | LtL | mo1991: i honestly would need to research that myself. maybe someone else can help |
| 01:42.28 | LtL | mo1991: try /etc/aliases |
| 01:43.11 | LtL | mo1991: last line 'root: $USER' |
| 01:43.43 | mo1991 | ok, it is set to the original user. I should now set it to my normal "sudo user" correct? |
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| 01:44.13 | LtL | mo1991: that should work, yes |
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| 01:50.38 | mo1991 | LtL - working properly now. Thanks for your help. Any idea why they send it to the user rather than just the "root" user? |
| 01:51.05 | mo1991 | :) they meaning debian installer setup :) |
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| 01:51.16 | ajoul | hello |
| 01:51.25 | ajoul | I have somewhat of an issue in Debian |
| 01:51.31 | ajoul | I don't know how to install a package |
| 01:51.40 | ajoul | I get some errors, can someone guide me? |
| 01:51.48 | LtL | mo1991: you're welcome and.. not sure |
| 01:51.59 | themill | mo1991: delivering mail to root would imply running a mail reader as root and the user having to check root's mail separately. Just forwarding it on to someone else is standard |
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| 01:52.13 | ajoul | I am trying to install http://justgetflux.com/linux.html |
| 01:52.21 | ajoul | but it doesn't work so well |
| 01:52.26 | ajoul | the commands give me weird errors |
| 01:52.59 | themill | ajoul: those instructions are for ubuntu not debian |
| 01:53.27 | ajoul | ok can you tell me how to install it please? themill |
| 01:53.32 | themill | ,i redshift |
| 01:53.33 | judd | Package redshift (x11, extra) in wheezy/i386: Adjusts the color temperature of your screen. Version: 1.7-2; Size: 51.4k; Installed: 350k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/redshift; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/redshift |
| 01:54.32 | mo1991 | themill - I guess I get that as a convenience, but a little confusing that it doesn't mention this in debian install. I personally always delete the first user after install - and thus my system email was being returned as this user didn't exist. |
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| 01:55.03 | ajoul | themil I want flux, I am used to it and I don't want to change anything |
| 01:55.08 | ajoul | is there any way I can get it? |
| 01:55.08 | themill | mo1991: why do you always delete the first user after installation? that's a bit.. odd. |
| 01:55.31 | ajoul | themil there is a guide, but I get ssl certifiate ws not found |
| 01:55.32 | ajoul | http://okomestudio.net/biboroku/?p=1131 |
| 01:57.08 | jordanm | ajoul: nothing in that article has anything to do with ssl certs |
| 01:57.17 | jordanm | even the link to the tarball is not ssl |
| 01:57.37 | ajoul | when I try to download with wget |
| 01:57.39 | mo1991 | themill - honestly, I do it to remind me to change the behavior of adduser - adduser by default adds new users with system wide readable directories. I always dpkg --reconfigure adduser right away to change this so I'm not adding users that have directory permissions that any other user can read |
| 01:57.41 | ajoul | I get an ssl error |
| 01:58.21 | jordanm | ajoul: then don't use https or use --no-check-certificate |
| 01:58.45 | mo1991 | themill - I've always wondered actually why the "adduser" package defaults to "system wide readable" directories anyway? Any clue why? This seems to be a rather insecure way to assign new users , as the user themselves would have to secure their own home folders, and might not know to do this |
| 01:59.23 | ajoul | jordanm Unable to establish SSL connection. |
| 01:59.26 | themill | mo1991: it's to facility user-private-groups; (umask should be 0002 not 0022 to finish this off though) |
| 01:59.32 | themill | dpkg: tell mo1991 about upg |
| 01:59.37 | ajoul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:59.50 | jordanm | mo1991: it's been discussed many times on debian-devel. IIRC the reasoning is that nothing there is generally sensitive, and the default of 700 breaks mod_userdir in apache |
| 01:59.52 | ajoul | I downloaded redshift |
| 01:59.58 | ajoul | but I don't know how to launch it |
| 02:00.23 | ajoul | my eyes are hurting |
| 02:00.38 | themill | gtk-redshift (there will be a menu item for it too) |
| 02:00.40 | jordanm | mo1991: things like ssh keys get secure permissions by default |
| 02:00.57 | ajoul | themil I didn't download the gtk version |
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| 02:01.43 | ajoul | Trying next provider... |
| 02:01.43 | ajoul | Latitude and longitude must be set. |
| 02:01.43 | ajoul | root@WorkStation:/home/danny# redshift |
| 02:01.43 | ajoul | (process:6484): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon: |
| 02:01.43 | ajoul | /usr/bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: No protocol specified |
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| 02:01.57 | mo1991 | it just seems strange to me that any user can look in other users files by default - I remember in school that the unix system was set up this way, and people could look at other peoples projects, ie and copy them - if a user didn't know to lock their home folder |
| 02:01.58 | ajoul | GConf Error: No D-BUS daemon running |
| 02:02.00 | ajoul | Cannot list GNOME panel applets. |
| 02:02.02 | ajoul | Initialization of gnome-clock failed. |
| 02:02.04 | ajoul | Trying next provider... |
| 02:02.06 | ajoul | Latitude and longitude must be set. |
| 02:02.08 | ajoul | sorry for that |
| 02:03.02 | jordanm | mo1991: you can change the default in /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 02:03.44 | themill | mo1991: I guess the default assumption is that users on the same machine have a common goal and should be cooperating; if that's not the case, then change the configuration. |
| 02:03.49 | mo1991 | jordanm - I get that, but if a user writes a personal document - all other users can read it unless they know to change the permissions on their home folder. just seems strange. I'll check out what you said to |
| 02:04.39 | mo1991 | themill - I just change it because I remember that on the unix at school it was abused - and to me it was always strange |
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| 02:07.53 | teen_18 | hi |
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| 02:09.16 | ajoul | can someone help me |
| 02:09.29 | AimHere | We don't know. |
| 02:09.29 | ajoul | I need redshift on |
| 02:09.30 | ajoul | all the time |
| 02:09.35 | ajoul | I can't even start it |
| 02:09.37 | ajoul | I get an error |
| 02:09.39 | ajoul | please help? |
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| 02:10.14 | themill | it has a man page |
| 02:10.27 | teen_18 | www.cuantoporno.es |
| 02:10.43 | ajoul | thats why I hate fucking linux coz u come up with an error and you have to read an entire manual |
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| 02:10.51 | ajoul | might as well read the TOS every time before I agree |
| 02:10.54 | ajoul | can't someone help |
| 02:10.59 | jordanm | ajoul: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 02:11.00 | themill | ajoul: would you rather I read the manual for you? |
| 02:11.33 | themill | (or you could just install gtk-redshift and have a clicky interface) |
| 02:11.34 | jordanm | ajoul: you can't honestly expect someone to be able to determine what your issue is based on your question and the information provided |
| 02:12.01 | ajoul | themil you could have said that with GTK I get an interface |
| 02:12.02 | jordanm | ask good questions and it will be much more likely that you get good answers |
| 02:12.03 | ajoul | appreciate it |
| 02:12.14 | dvs | jordanm: Installing a package called flux from an external site. |
| 02:12.20 | d3sync | there is 1300 ppl in this channel |
| 02:12.33 | d3sync | maybe not all at the same time on keyboards |
| 02:12.37 | d3sync | but still |
| 02:12.44 | jordanm | dvs: and... what does that have to do with redshift? are they the same thing? |
| 02:13.03 | d3sync | someone somewhere should be able to help with the correct info |
| 02:13.04 | themill | jordanm: one is free the other is not |
| 02:13.13 | themill | (from memory) |
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| 02:16.16 | ajoul | redshift doesn't start |
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| 02:16.32 | jordanm | again, not enough information |
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| 02:17.15 | ajoul | Latitude and longitude must be set. |
| 02:17.18 | ajoul | I get this warning |
| 02:17.21 | themill | ajoul: so not interested in trying gtk-redshift? |
| 02:17.31 | ajoul | I downloaded it themill |
| 02:17.35 | ajoul | It doesn't even start |
| 02:17.45 | ajoul | when running it from the command line I get the error Latitude and longitude must be set. |
| 02:17.47 | themill | dpkg: tell ajoul about doesn't work |
| 02:18.00 | themill | the full command and full output in a pastebin might be handy |
| 02:19.05 | ajoul | themil http://pastebin.com/prEPSdW5 command gtk-redshift |
| 02:19.41 | jordanm | ajoul: run it as your user, not root |
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| 02:20.09 | ajoul | jordanm I made my self root by default, when I open terminal how can I run it as a user |
| 02:20.54 | themill | backs away slowly |
| 02:21.02 | jordanm | i don't know how to work around the broken non-standard setup you configured |
| 02:21.12 | ajoul | What is non-standard? |
| 02:21.17 | ajoul | I downloaded debian from their website |
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| 02:21.44 | ajoul | also I am not sure if it helps but I got a Gnome failed to start error in the start-up |
| 02:21.51 | ajoul | something related to graphics |
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| 02:22.53 | mo1991 | jordanm - back to the adduser "default readable" directories - is this a debian thing? It seems to me that lots of companies use linux and wouldn't want users to see other users files - aka salaries - employee reviews, etc. I kind of get the debian "were all friends" on this machine reasoning, but is this really the main reasoning? |
| 02:23.22 | mo1991 | if it is fair enough, I'm just curious |
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| 02:23.45 | jordanm | mo1991: I recall mod_userdir working by default being a major push to keep that as the default |
| 02:24.11 | jordanm | mo1991: search the debian-devel archives if you want to see the actual discussions behind it |
| 02:24.55 | mo1991 | jordanm - will do . It's always perplexed me :) funny word, perplexed |
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| 02:27.45 | Urk | Is there a way to drag and drop text in xournal? |
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| 02:29.17 | Urk | I am back. |
| 02:29.23 | themill | uizex1: there's a "Select rectangle" tool |
| 02:29.27 | themill | Urk: ^ |
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| 02:30.46 | Urk | themill> Where is this ^? The only ^ that I see is on my keyboard, and not xournal.... |
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| 02:32.57 | Tramp | Urk: he was pointing you to the previous line, which he directed to the wrong person |
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| 02:34.47 | Urk | Tramp> Is there a way to move text after it is already entered in Xournal? I was hoping to find a drag and drop, as opposed to using the tab and space bar. |
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| 02:35.11 | Tramp | i have not the slightest ides what xournal is or does |
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| 02:38.45 | themill | Urk: yes, there is. |
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| 02:39.40 | Urk | themill> How do you drag and drop? So far the only thing I see is a box, which requires you to guess spacing, since you can't see the lines behind it. |
| 02:41.53 | themill | I have no idea what you mean. To move text, use the "Select rectangle" tool. |
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| 02:43.04 | Yukiteru | hi evrybody |
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| 02:44.01 | Yukiteru | a need compile a kernel with arm-eabi, what compiler recommends?? I'm using Wheezy |
| 02:47.32 | centrx | Yukikaze, gcc? |
| 02:47.32 | akp | is there a backport node.js available for squeeze? |
| 02:48.05 | centrx | Not in squeeze-backports |
| 02:48.23 | centrx | wonders why people are still using squeeze |
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| 02:49.38 | LtL | centrx: it's a gnome thing in my case. old habits die hard |
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| 02:49.57 | centrx | wheezy has gnome... |
| 02:50.09 | dvs | Gnome 3! Yuck! |
| 02:50.15 | LtL | centrx: yeah, but it's really 'different.' |
| 02:50.18 | akp | centrx: is on an old server in production |
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| 02:50.36 | centrx | akp, squeeze security support ends probably May 2014 |
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| 02:50.40 | akp | thats why we are still using it. |
| 02:50.50 | dvs | akp: There'll be no security support in three months. |
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| 02:51.20 | LtL | dvs: stop raining on my parade :( |
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| 02:52.11 | dvs | starts snowing instead! |
| 02:52.28 | LtL | dvs: interrogative: which might be 'cleaner' a squeeze_>wheezy upgrade, or a clean wheezy install |
| 02:52.46 | tiron | anyone ever have an encounter with these: │X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) |
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| 02:53.17 | dvs | LtL: wheezy install would be cleaner but setting everything up again would be a pain |
| 02:53.48 | LtL | dvs: point taken, appreciate that. |
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| 02:54.43 | jordanm | LtL: as a previous gnome 2 user, I found the transition to KDE to be easy |
| 02:54.58 | jordanm | it's more similar to gnome2 than gnome3 is |
| 02:55.00 | dvs | agrees |
| 02:55.44 | LtL | jordanm: i used KDE years ago, i liked it except one thing. http links were not clickable in a terminal. i like xfce too. but im really a gnome guy |
| 02:55.45 | sors_ | dvs: why not use a gnome2 fork |
| 02:55.53 | dvs | bah! |
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| 02:56.12 | jordanm | LtL: they are clickable in konsole now |
| 02:56.19 | jordanm | LtL: atleast right click -> open link |
| 02:56.35 | LtL | jordanm: konsole yeah, ok.. good to know thanks much |
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| 02:58.24 | sors_ | LtL, why not use a gnome2 fork |
| 02:58.45 | LtL | sors_: what dvs said :-) |
| 02:59.06 | LtL | i'll warm up to the new gnome i'm sure. |
| 02:59.25 | sors_ | well i never use anything but fluxbox so.... |
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| 03:00.39 | LtL | sors_: appreciate the suggestion, thx |
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| 03:10.39 | ajoul | I need some fucking help |
| 03:10.52 | ajoul | this piece of shit debian shitfuck works like a piece of shit |
| 03:11.06 | centrx | Are you sure the problem is not you? |
| 03:11.19 | ajoul | yeah definitely |
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| 03:11.35 | ajoul | don't try to defend this user-unfriendly monster |
| 03:13.05 | ajoul | for example, look at this installation guide http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ |
| 03:13.17 | ajoul | you might as well put instructions on how to make nuclear fusion in it |
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| 03:14.29 | ajoul | I am trying to install debian from the start |
| 03:14.35 | ajoul | Actually |
| 03:14.41 | ajoul | I am trying to make debian to work with flux |
| 03:14.45 | ajoul | but it fucking doesn't |
| 03:14.49 | ajoul | it fucking doesn't work at all |
| 03:14.53 | ajoul | its a fucking piece of shit |
| 03:15.21 | ajoul | I got so much eye strain just using it for 15 minutes |
| 03:15.28 | ajoul | FOnt choice is terrible |
| 03:15.32 | ajoul | icon choice is terrible |
| 03:15.34 | Devastator | including the f word into every sentence won't make it work either |
| 03:15.37 | jb0 | we won't miss you |
| 03:15.59 | centrx | Good bye. Thanks for trying Debian. |
| 03:16.07 | ajoul | I am sure, look at how empty this channel is, this software is definitely going to be used after 10 years. |
| 03:16.32 | centrx | Will you have figured it out by then? |
| 03:16.59 | ajoul | probably I won't have to, because nobody will force me to use such piece of shit to write any code |
| 03:17.18 | Devastator | thinks it's a troll and as a rule of thumb won't feed him |
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| 03:17.24 | ajoul | might as well kill my self |
| 03:17.37 | centrx | Okay |
| 03:17.48 | ajoul | Devastator I am not a troll just someone annoyed at how badly designed this software is |
| 03:18.17 | Devastator | ajoul do you know there are lots of other distros for you to try and see if it suits you? |
| 03:18.30 | ajoul | What If I told you I had to use Debian |
| 03:18.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi |
| 03:18.47 | dvs | ajoul: using a package that was packages for ubuntu on Debian is surely asking for trouble. |
| 03:18.48 | Azrael_- | then go and complain about torrentflux |
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| 03:19.21 | ajoul | dvs I tried redshift, you know what happened? It crashing not working |
| 03:19.30 | ajoul | I installed through the package instalation |
| 03:19.38 | themill | ajoul: you ran it as root while being logged in as a user. It's not supposed to work |
| 03:19.40 | ajoul | like who would design something that when installed and executed it crashes |
| 03:19.44 | ajoul | fucking stupid |
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| 03:19.56 | dvs | yay! |
| 03:20.05 | Azrael_- | YEAH :) |
| 03:20.11 | themill | ajoul: take a break from this and let us know when you're ready to work on this constructively |
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| 03:39.49 | ajoul | ok, so I try to run xflux after downloading from https://justgetflux.com/linux/xflux.tgz |
| 03:39.58 | ajoul | and I get error, file or directory not found |
| 03:40.14 | ajoul | I made sure I am in the right directory |
| 03:40.18 | ajoul | what would be the reason? |
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| 03:40.56 | xmetal | good grief |
| 03:41.10 | Devastator | ajoul not trying to make you more mad, but have you seen what themill_ wrote? that you tried to run redshift as root while logged as user |
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| 03:43.41 | ajoul | Devastator redshift coloring was terrible, somehow it run regardless of that but the changes to the screen were only applied after I temporarly changed the resolution |
| 03:43.59 | themill | and you didn't want to configure redshift? |
| 03:45.00 | ajoul | themill, something that I installed from the package manager and its gtk doesn't run even through the Debian Menu is a bad sign isn't it? |
| 03:45.11 | themill | ajoul: no |
| 03:45.21 | Devastator | ajoul again, you will probably get mad at me, but afaik, redshift is what was suggested to use with debian, and people would help you with it if you asked |
| 03:45.34 | centrx | takes bets on whether it will run when he runs it |
| 03:45.38 | ajoul | ok so help me, how to install it use it? |
| 03:45.43 | ajoul | I will start from scratch |
| 03:45.45 | themill | !ask |
| 03:45.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:46.15 | ajoul | should I download/install redshift through the package manager or the command line? |
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| 03:47.08 | Devastator | ajoul as themill_ pointed, could please follow what you are trying to do, the debian version you have installed and what is not working as you expected? try to make it so in one sentence if you can |
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| 03:47.36 | themill | Real commands with real output in pastebin is always helpful |
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| 03:48.59 | Sidicas | If an application is freezing, but not crashing.. What would be the procedure to debug it? Is this something you would do with gdb? The application is just becoming unresponsive and I'm not sure why. |
| 03:48.59 | ajoul | running redshift from the debian menu does nothing, it crashes after 2 seconds. I am using Debian 7 I touched no settings and I just got Debian installed |
| 03:49.04 | ajoul | I also just installed RedShift |
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| 03:49.10 | abrotman | how long freezing? |
| 03:49.13 | themill | ajoul: are you running gnome? |
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| 03:49.36 | Sidicas | several minutes.. It's the dolphin file browser.. Sometimes it starts up and old draws about half of what it's supposed to and stops. |
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| 03:49.46 | ajoul | themill I am not sure I am, like I said, when I first installed debian I got an error message that said to me that gnome failed to start and a graphics related problem |
| 03:49.50 | Sidicas | Then it just sits there with 0 CPU usage |
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| 03:49.57 | ajoul | themill but I didn't got this error when I boot up this time |
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| 03:51.21 | xmetal | i just installed debian and was told that gnome was in fallback mode (i am NOT BY ANY MEANS new to Linux... just this distro) ... it worked though and I nstalled Xfce (which is my favorite DE and the one I planned on using anyway) |
| 03:51.34 | xmetal | (i am just putting my 2 cents in ... i dont have a question :) ) |
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| 03:52.50 | centrx | Sidicas, Yes, you can walk through it with gdb |
| 03:52.54 | xmetal | oops ... installing the newest VLC from backports broke a few things ... brb |
| 03:52.58 | centrx | Sidicas, You can also check for bugs filed on bugs.debian.org for this package |
| 03:53.10 | xmetal | removing that version and going back to the one in the regular repo |
| 03:53.12 | ajoul | themmil any more helpful? |
| 03:53.31 | centrx | xmetal, Good to know? :) |
| 03:53.36 | abrotman | win 6 |
| 03:53.46 | Devastator | ajoul can you state your hardware? |
| 03:53.49 | themill | ajoul: you need to configure redshit -- make a config file as described here https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=655993#37 |
| 03:53.51 | xmetal | i figured this may happen ... no big deal |
| 03:53.52 | xmetal | :) |
| 03:54.25 | themill | ajoul: (28.1, -80.6) would be a reasonable guess for your lat:long by the looks of it |
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| 03:55.35 | ajoul | themill where do I place the config, there is no folder ~/.config/ |
| 03:55.42 | themill | make it |
| 03:55.55 | xmetal | hmm i mark vlc 2.03 (default) to install and like other software (example filelight or k3b) it turns red and says broken |
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| 03:56.05 | xmetal | scratches head |
| 03:56.22 | Devastator | xmetal have you tried in cli? |
| 03:57.05 | xmetal | not just yet, but I probably will soon |
| 03:57.06 | xmetal | brb |
| 03:57.09 | xmetal | trying a few things |
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| 03:57.58 | xmetal | ok thats easy enough |
| 03:58.23 | xmetal | removed the checkbox from the backports in the list of "extra repos" |
| 03:58.25 | xmetal | there it goes |
| 03:58.28 | Devastator | I don't know if I'm more used to cli than gui, but I find gui usually makes things more complicated than it really is |
| 03:58.28 | xmetal | :) |
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| 03:58.44 | ajoul | themill, the way I have flux configured in my windows machine is so that it is on all the time regardless of timezone |
| 03:58.46 | ajoul | and altitude |
| 03:58.52 | ajoul | do you know how to do that? |
| 03:59.10 | themill | ajoul: there's a README.Debian in the package that explains how |
| 03:59.22 | themill | or you can just add it to your session in gnome |
| 04:00.20 | xmetal | hmm just noticed E17 is not in the repo |
| 04:00.23 | xmetal | oh well |
| 04:00.54 | centrx | xmetal, It is, package: e17 |
| 04:01.09 | centrx | xmetal, I take it back, I guess it is only in testing/unstable |
| 04:01.18 | ajoul | themill, redshift only works if I change my display settings, back and forth |
| 04:01.41 | ajoul | themill the coloring is also extremely red and painful to use |
| 04:01.50 | themill | so change the colouring. |
| 04:01.54 | xmetal | no big deal ... i usually use XFCE, though i do change DE "just for the heck of it" |
| 04:01.57 | xmetal | :) |
| 04:02.12 | ajoul | themill how about having to change my display settings to make it work? |
| 04:02.31 | themill | ajoul: sounds like you want to change the mode redshift is using. |
| 04:02.48 | Lady_Aleena | Hi! I am beginning to suspect my 2nd hard drive has a partition which I would like to remove without destroying the data in the _other_ partition. The reason I suspect the drive is partitioned, is there is /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdc2. /dev/sdc2 is mounted to /media/7ABC91CABC918175 but /dev/sdc1 appears unmounted. Is there a way to bring both partitions back together under /dev/sdc1 without losing the data in /dev/sdc2? (I also may not know wh |
| 04:02.48 | Lady_Aleena | at I am talking about. I am guessing a lot.) |
| 04:03.38 | xmetal | re-reads that |
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| 04:04.08 | ajoul | themill do I also do this through the config file? |
| 04:04.15 | themill | yes |
| 04:04.34 | Lady_Aleena | Here is the output from lsblk: http://paste.debian.net/81989/ |
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| 04:05.55 | xmetal | (note: guessing here) wonder if you could move the files (you'd have to mount /dev/sdc1) ... depending on what it is to /dev/sdc1 and then (via a program like Gparted) remove the other partition |
| 04:06.00 | xmetal | woops that made no sense |
| 04:06.03 | xmetal | sorry |
| 04:06.57 | xmetal | i meant move /dev/sdc1 data (again depending on what it is) to /dev/sdc2 and then via Gparted removed /dev/sdc1 and I wonder if /dev/sdc2 would "rename itself" to /dev/sdc1 |
| 04:07.09 | xmetal | hmm i THINK i did better saying what i meant that time :P |
| 04:07.13 | xmetal | (long day) |
| 04:07.37 | xmetal | it depends on what that "unmounted" partition is though |
| 04:07.49 | ajoul | themill even after I quit redshift is working until I change the display settings again, so I don't think its related to the configuration |
| 04:07.55 | Lady_Aleena | xmetal, I don't know what is in sdc1. |
| 04:08.16 | ajoul | themill it is probably driver software related probably something is broken |
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| 04:08.29 | themill | ajoul: I don't believe so. |
| 04:08.34 | fandi | hello |
| 04:08.35 | Lady_Aleena | xmetal, are you in the northeast USA by chance? |
| 04:08.50 | xmetal | hmm 39 MB (or about that) it seems |
| 04:08.53 | Tramp | ... though I'd consider gparted "mostly safe" I would not risk it for 39MB unless sdc2 is backed up. And if it is, just repartition the whole disk |
| 04:08.53 | fandi | any people build debian guest os ? |
| 04:09.05 | fandi | for openstack |
| 04:09.07 | xmetal | not in the NE here |
| 04:09.12 | abrotman | checks the calendar .. |
| 04:09.16 | xmetal | i have to say i agree with Tramp in that one |
| 04:09.19 | abrotman | fandi: why does that matter? |
| 04:09.20 | ajoul | themill, does it sound normal to you that I have to change display settings for redshift to take effect and restore? |
| 04:09.22 | xmetal | for 39MB i would leave it |
| 04:09.35 | Lady_Aleena | I know 39MB isn't much to worry about, but I would like to clean up my system a bit. |
| 04:09.41 | Tramp | Lady_Aleena: what does "file -s /dev/sdc1" say? |
| 04:09.43 | xmetal | i have never had issues with Gparted, though for that amount of space |
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| 04:10.03 | fandi | abrotman : i can even boot debian in openstack |
| 04:10.05 | fandi | evn |
| 04:10.23 | abrotman | that's pretty vague |
| 04:10.23 | Lady_Aleena | "sticky no read permission" |
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| 04:10.51 | Tramp | never hear that, tbh. |
| 04:10.52 | fandi | I have install cloud-init cloud utils and initramfs-growroot |
| 04:11.26 | themill | ajoul: [15:02] <themill> ajoul: sounds like you want to change the mode redshift is using. |
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| 04:11.31 | Tramp | Lady_Aleena: so either gparted can do it or it can't. It should be safe, but it may not. |
| 04:11.44 | Sidicas | centrx: Well, I think I figured it out.. I ran dolphin in gdb and it said something about KSystemTimeZones on the dbus wasn't responding and timing out. Learned that this was served by kded4.. Process killed kded4 and restarted it and now dolphin loads instantly again. |
| 04:11.45 | xmetal | i would backup everything just in case |
| 04:11.47 | themill | ajoul: "adjustment-method" |
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| 04:12.09 | xmetal | i never had gparted issues, though it doesn't hurt to backup everything first :) |
| 04:12.14 | xmetal | in case something goes wrong |
| 04:12.23 | fandi | abortman : do you have tutorial to build guest os debian |
| 04:12.27 | fandi | in openstack ? |
| 04:12.35 | Sidicas | centrx: But I still have no idea what happened to the kded4 process to begin with, I guess I'll try running it in gdb and see if it crashes. But it appeared as though it was still running when I killed it. It just wasn't doing anything. |
| 04:12.49 | Tramp | ... but if I could backup it, I'd reformat/repartition and not mess with gparted in the first case. It's a 150 GB disk - actually I'd trash it probably .... |
| 04:15.24 | Lady_Aleena | I just installed gparted, but if I am reading your suggestions correctly, I should copy the files in the second partition somewhere, and just reformat the drive? |
| 04:16.09 | ajoul | themill, redshift crashes with randr instead of vidmode |
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| 04:16.25 | ajoul | themill is there a specific adjustment-method u suggest to use? |
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| 04:17.58 | ajoul | themill this is my config file http://pastebin.com/gY2hfEiY |
| 04:18.16 | Tramp | Lady_Aleena: yes. First copy. Then maybe try with gparted (for experience's sake). If it works - fine. If it doesn't repartition and reformat. That's what I'd do (if I wouldn't trash this tiny disk in the first place...) |
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| 04:19.21 | ajoul | themill redshift just crashes when I change mode |
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| 04:20.41 | Lady_Aleena | Tramp, I don't have big files, just lots of teeny-tiny ones. :) |
| 04:20.44 | Devastator | ajoul type redshift -m randr:help to see what else can be configured |
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| 04:23.03 | Lady_Aleena | Does cp create the destination directory? |
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| 04:23.42 | ajoul | Devastator, it says CRTC but I have no clue what that is |
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| 04:25.03 | centrx | Lady_Aleena, cp does not create the destination directory, if I understand your question correctly |
| 04:25.13 | Lady_Aleena | centrx, thanks. |
| 04:26.35 | Lady_Aleena | I can't remember how to find out how much space is used on a disk, what is it again? |
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| 04:27.33 | Devastator | df -h? |
| 04:27.37 | xmetal | oops |
| 04:27.46 | xmetal | my cable modem D/C'ed |
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| 04:28.06 | ajoul | Devastator what should I put as CRTC? |
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| 04:28.07 | centrx | Lady_Aleena, df stands for Disk Free :) |
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| 04:28.22 | sabotender | ugh this crappy internet connection |
| 04:28.26 | sabotender | cries |
| 04:28.45 | Devastator | ajoul sorry, I don't know, maybe themill_ is busy right now or went to bed, maybe wait for him |
| 04:29.03 | Lady_Aleena | Devastator and centrx, I was looking for du -h. |
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| 04:29.27 | centrx | Lady_Aleena, Yes, that will show you the Usage under the current directory |
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| 04:31.16 | ajoul | I try random crtc values and it doesn't work |
| 04:31.16 | Lady_Aleena | du -ch | grep total is what I really wanted. |
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| 04:33.35 | Tramp | Lady_Aleena: you may want -s |
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| 04:34.38 | Lady_Aleena | Tramp, du -sh may be better, I like human readable sometimes. :) |
| 04:35.01 | sovereignentity | should grub be installed into the root partition? |
| 04:37.30 | Yukikaze | it is normally installed to the device sovereignentity |
| 04:37.49 | Lady_Aleena | Tramp, regarding disk sizes, we have drives in other computers which are even smaller. |
| 04:38.55 | sovereignentity | I trashed the secondary os now debian will not boot |
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| 04:40.01 | Tramp | Lady_Aleena: well, I think it's a waste of space and energy. I have seen old drives using 15-20W when idle. So for 2TB with "old drives" you may need >200W - apart from the case-space, while a singel 2TB drive uses 5W when idling |
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| 04:41.46 | fandi | hello, have some one can describe how to run debian guest at openstack |
| 04:41.57 | Lady_Aleena | Tramp, most of our other computers have a single task, and only need Firefox installed. No serious work is done on them. |
| 04:41.58 | Devastator | !tell sovereignentity about fixboot |
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| 04:43.32 | medfly | hello |
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| 04:44.18 | sabotender | man i have such a crappy connection |
| 04:44.31 | centrx | There's a Debian package for that! |
| 04:44.51 | Yukikaze | There's an app for that! |
| 04:44.57 | Yukikaze | hides |
| 04:45.42 | Lady_Aleena | So, I copy the files from /media/7ABC91CABC918175 to somewhere in my directory and run gparted. If it works and the files are intact after removing the partition, delete the "backup" directory, and go to the next thing. If it doesn't work, reformat the drive without partitions, and copy the files in the "backup" directory back to it. Right? |
| 04:46.47 | medfly | I am installing debian now, I would like ato have my home partition encrypted. I'm not entirely sure how to do so correctly |
| 04:47.24 | jordanm | medfly: the installer will guide you through that |
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| 04:47.57 | medfly | it would? neat. I thought I would have to do it at the partition thingie. |
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| 04:48.46 | medfly | guess not. |
| 04:48.47 | Tramp | Lady_Aleena: well, not "reformat without partitions". Repartition (with 1 partition) and format it with the filesystem you like best, then copy back. |
| 04:48.51 | Lady_Aleena | What?! I just tried "cp /media/7ABC91CABC918175/ /home/me/d_drive/" and got the error "cp: omitting directory `/media/7ABC91CABC918175/'" |
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| 04:49.30 | jordanm | Lady_Aleena: you need -r or -a to copy directories |
| 04:49.47 | Tramp | Lady_Aleena: http://tramp.mm.st/recursively-copy-a-directory-using-cp-tar-or-rsync.txt |
| 04:49.56 | ajoul | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 04:50.05 | Tramp | and yes - short version: -a (NOT -r) |
| 04:50.05 | ajoul | when running update |
| 04:50.13 | ajoul | why and what to do? |
| 04:50.27 | Lady_Aleena | Tramp, why -a and not -r? |
| 04:50.45 | Tramp | you may find the long answer in the link I posted |
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| 04:52.43 | Lady_Aleena | Tramp, so -a is more than -r. |
| 04:53.07 | ajoul | how to change between desktops |
| 04:53.41 | Tramp | Lady_Aleena: -a is, what you want in 99% of use-cases (and in 100% of the use cases which contain the word "backup"). |
| 04:54.09 | Tramp | additionally, there is no point in -r, which is a GNU extension, doing the same as -R (which is POSIX) |
| 04:54.27 | Rusty1 | ajoul: ctl-alt-arrow, left or right |
| 04:54.44 | xmetal | :) just installed Truecrypt in debian |
| 04:55.02 | Lady_Aleena | And I need to add a dot to the end of the source directory so I don't get /home/me/d_drive/7ABC91CABC918175/. |
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| 04:55.49 | Lady_Aleena | So, "cp -a /media/7ABC91CABC918175/. /home/me/d_drive/" |
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| 04:56.38 | Tramp | Lady_Aleena: yes. This will copy everything _under_ 7A... into .../d_drive/ |
| 04:56.42 | ajoul | how to take care of pkg-config depdency? |
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| 04:56.49 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks Tramp. |
| 04:56.57 | Tramp | welcome |
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| 04:57.24 | Lady_Aleena | This will take a while. It is copying 79GB of files. |
| 04:57.48 | Lady_Aleena | I should have made it verbose. |
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| 04:57.58 | Lady_Aleena | If verbosity is possible. |
| 04:58.53 | Lady_Aleena | twiddles her thumbs. |
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| 04:59.06 | centrx | Did you enable --super-fast mode |
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| 05:02.47 | Lady_Aleena | centrx, no. |
| 05:03.06 | centrx | Did you enable --super-fast-awesome mode? |
| 05:03.17 | Lady_Aleena | centrx, nope. |
| 05:03.24 | centrx | Well that explains it |
| 05:03.55 | Yukikaze | not with the normal coretools Lady_Aleena |
| 05:04.00 | Lady_Aleena | Sometimes going slow is the best. |
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| 05:04.53 | Tramp | for large copies/backups you may consider the rsync-method, which is re-entrant |
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| 05:05.44 | Lady_Aleena | Tramp, it is too late to consider it now, the cp is already running. |
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| 05:06.37 | Tramp | yes. I'm aware of that. I was referring to your long and prosper future. |
| 05:07.10 | themill | You could stop it and continue with rsync if you wanted |
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| 05:08.04 | Rusty1 | would a periodic: df -h , give an idea of how it is progressing? |
| 05:08.14 | Tramp | yes |
| 05:08.18 | Lady_Aleena | themill, be my luck, the cp would be almost complete. |
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| 05:10.15 | Lady_Aleena | Yukikaze, what is "not" with normal coretools? verbosity? |
| 05:10.34 | Yukikaze | yes |
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| 05:10.46 | Lady_Aleena | Yukikaze, okeydokey. |
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| 05:13.45 | Lady_Aleena | Is gparted's gui pretty self explanitory? |
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| 05:25.05 | amitabha | funny, removed libreoffice and got suggested by apt-get to remove the whole desktop system since it is not needed anymore |
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| 05:26.04 | dioz | sounds reasonable |
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| 05:38.29 | Lady_Aleena | GUH! my computer is slow. I'd wish for better hardware, but it is a pipe dream. Smartphones have more power than I have in this big clunky machine. |
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| 05:39.49 | Lady_Aleena | I'm still waiting for the cp to finish. |
| 05:40.33 | Yukikaze | do they really Lady_Aleena |
| 05:41.08 | Lady_Aleena | I only have a pentium 4, and I've heard smartphones were better than that. |
| 05:41.57 | Yukikaze | you should get something like this |
| 05:41.59 | Yukikaze | Host: Akarin-OS: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64/x86_64-Distro: Debian 7.4-CPU: 8 x Intel Xeon (3392.293 MHz)-Memory Usage: 3382.48MB/8001.45MB (42.27%) |
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| 05:42.56 | Lady_Aleena | That looks like 64 bit, but I could be wrong. |
| 05:44.12 | Lady_Aleena | YAY! Done! |
| 05:44.24 | Lady_Aleena | Now I can turn on some music. |
| 05:45.51 | Lady_Aleena | IceWeasel + Amarok = slow computer |
| 05:47.01 | Lady_Aleena | <grumble>GParted requires my password. |
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| 05:48.13 | themill | you should be worried if it does not, given what you're planning to do with it |
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| 05:48.23 | Yukikaze | ^ |
| 05:49.18 | Yukikaze | Lady_Aleena: I know how you feel about the p4 I'm stuck with one on my 2nd desktop https://i.lolicon.eu/1392356919.png |
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| 05:50.17 | Lady_Aleena | I need to create a password shortcut. |
| 05:51.01 | Lady_Aleena | goes to look for a gparted channel here. |
| 05:52.09 | Lady_Aleena | Looks like the gparted channel on freenode isn't popular. |
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| 05:53.17 | Lady_Aleena | So in gparted, just delete the partition? |
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| 05:56.07 | Lady_Aleena | crosses her fingers. |
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| 05:56.34 | SirLagz | hai Lady_Aleena ! |
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| 05:57.22 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: what are you breaking ? |
| 05:57.23 | Lady_Aleena | Hello SirLagz, I'm deleting a partition today. |
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| 05:58.44 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: fun times |
| 05:59.42 | vimel | Lady_Aleena: try deadbeef. its a lightweight music player. similar to foobar2000 on windows. |
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| 06:00.11 | Yukikaze | nothing can be as good as mpd though vimel |
| 06:00.40 | SirLagz | i use qmmp for my music needs |
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| 06:00.52 | Lady_Aleena | Do I have to unmount the main partition on this drive to expand it to include the unallocated sections on this drive? |
| 06:01.21 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: " pretty sure you do |
| 06:01.27 | SirLagz | i dunno how that " got there. |
| 06:01.38 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, I can't see special characters. |
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| 06:01.54 | vimel | Yukikaze: SirLagz I have not tried either. ill look them up. ty. |
| 06:01.56 | SirLagz | special characters like " ? |
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| 06:02.08 | Yukikaze | vimel: https://i.lolicon.eu/1392357720.png |
| 06:02.24 | Yukikaze | that's with the ncmpcpp interface for mpd |
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| 06:03.27 | SirLagz | Yukikaze: that's the i3 WM isn't it ? |
| 06:03.33 | Yukikaze | yes |
| 06:03.38 | SirLagz | Yukikaze: interesting setup |
| 06:03.57 | Lady_Aleena | crosses her fingers she doesn't lose it. |
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| 06:04.31 | vimel | nice looking interface. can you setup global hotkeys? thats one of my favorite features of deadbeef. i can listen to music while gaming. have my system volume separate from my music volume. |
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| 06:04.52 | SirLagz | Yukikaze: do you have multiple irssi windows open / split ? |
| 06:05.10 | Yukikaze | SirLagz: it's weechat window splits |
| 06:05.18 | SirLagz | ah k |
| 06:05.22 | SirLagz | weechat. must look into it. |
| 06:05.26 | Yukikaze | irssi can't split vertically |
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| 06:05.53 | SirLagz | Yukikaze: yeah was going to ask how you got irssi to split vertically haha |
| 06:05.59 | Yukikaze | lel |
| 06:06.23 | SirLagz | heh. TM Revolution. nice |
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| 06:07.10 | Lady_Aleena | This will take an hour and a half? YIKES! |
| 06:07.23 | Yukikaze | SirLagz: http://lolicon.eu:8000/radio2.ogg |
| 06:07.29 | Yukikaze | if you're interested |
| 06:07.31 | Yukikaze | :3 |
| 06:07.35 | Lady_Aleena | brb |
| 06:07.37 | SirLagz | Yukikaze: Will do, when I get home :) |
| 06:07.46 | vimel | SirLagz: qmmp looks nice too. does it come with ProjectM virutalizations already installed? |
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| 06:07.57 | SirLagz | vimel: visualisation do you mean ? |
| 06:08.04 | vimel | ya that hehe sorry its late |
| 06:08.27 | SirLagz | it comes with some visualisations... |
| 06:08.34 | SirLagz | I don't remmeber which though, i don't use visualisations lol |
| 06:08.46 | vimel | oh okay. what about global hotkeys can you set them up? |
| 06:08.48 | Yukikaze | me either |
| 06:08.52 | jerkey | hi! does anyone know how to disable the screen blanker in regular vanilla debian? |
| 06:08.53 | SirLagz | vimel: yep |
| 06:08.57 | vimel | awesome |
| 06:09.00 | vimel | i just installed it :D |
| 06:09.03 | Yukikaze | considering my music is playing on a server in canada lol |
| 06:09.04 | vimel | ty |
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| 06:09.24 | SirLagz | Yukikaze: haha nice |
| 06:09.33 | SirLagz | Yukikaze: why from Canada ? |
| 06:09.34 | Alexi | jerkey: which Desktop are you using? |
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| 06:09.41 | Yukikaze | jerkey: you mean like the xorg blanking? |
| 06:09.47 | Yukikaze | SirLagz: ovh server |
| 06:09.57 | SirLagz | ovh ? |
| 06:10.07 | jerkey | alexi i think it's debian. yukikaze i guess so, it's the GUI and it goes to a grey screen with only the time printed at the top |
| 06:10.15 | jerkey | alexi i mean i think it's gnome |
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| 06:10.52 | Yukikaze | SirLagz: a datacentre |
| 06:10.58 | Alexi | jerkey: Its in the Gnome Control Centre, under Power. |
| 06:11.08 | jerkey | in the "Brightness and Lock" applet, there is "Turn screen off when inactive for:" and there is no option for NEVAR |
| 06:11.09 | SirLagz | Yukikaze: ah I see. but why stream your music from a server i mean ? |
| 06:11.30 | Yukikaze | cause other people tune in to listen |
| 06:12.03 | SirLagz | Yukikaze: ah right |
| 06:12.13 | SirLagz | other people like me :D |
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| 06:12.20 | jerkey | alexi do you mean System Settings / Power? There is only "Suspend when inactive for: NEVER" and "Tip: _Brightness Settings_ affect how much power is used" which links to Brightness and Lock |
| 06:12.20 | Yukikaze | yep |
| 06:13.40 | Yukikaze | I may not be much help jerkey since I don't use a DE but to stop X11 from blanking I run "xset -dpms; xset s off" |
| 06:13.54 | Alexi | jerkey: Yes, system Settings. Im using Gnome 3.8.4 in sid so it may have moved slightly in an earlier version to display or something |
| 06:14.11 | vimel | SirLagz: qmmp doesnt have shortcut keys for volume :( |
| 06:14.30 | SirLagz | vimel: doesn't it ? thought it did =/ |
| 06:14.36 | vimel | nah. |
| 06:14.40 | vimel | bummer. |
| 06:14.44 | Yukikaze | vimel: with mpd you can probably just set system hotkeys to send commands to mpc |
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| 06:15.07 | vimel | hmm. |
| 06:15.17 | vimel | ive been wanting to try a text based music player. |
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| 06:15.56 | Alexi | vimel: mplayer has a text console interface |
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| 06:16.15 | Yukikaze | vimel: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients |
| 06:16.20 | vimel | oh ya forgot about that. |
| 06:16.33 | SirLagz | vimel: you could probably setup qmmp in a similar way, send commands to qmmp to do things |
| 06:16.41 | vimel | cool ty. |
| 06:16.43 | SirLagz | vimel: actually taht may be how my qmmp is seutp |
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| 06:24.33 | hiroshima | Hi all - I've a certain question regarding debian... |
| 06:24.52 | centrx | Intriguing |
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| 06:26.00 | SirLagz | hiroshima |
| 06:26.23 | hiroshima | I've got a NAS from excito running a debian and if I would like to connect to kronoliths (calendar) data through webdav with the prefix wbdav:// it works perfect. But not if I try to connect with the prefix https:// or http://... |
| 06:26.31 | mdim | I've been trying to figure out how to mount a remote drive (via nfs) as a non-privileged user. Do you have a suggestion on where to read about that? |
| 06:26.41 | SirLagz | mdim: use sudo to mount it |
| 06:26.47 | jerkey | Yukikaze thank you i tried that a while ago but it still does it. |
| 06:26.50 | SirLagz | mdim: or add it into fstab with the 'user' option |
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| 06:27.18 | jerkey | ITS DOING IT RIGHT NOW! it just says The 22:27 at the top of the screen and the little padlock and my username in the top right corner. If i hit a key it comes back. |
| 06:27.28 | centrx | holy moly |
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| 06:28.38 | mdim | SirLagz: the user option will allow anyone to mount that partition? |
| 06:29.03 | SirLagz | mdim: i believe so |
| 06:29.17 | mdim | thx! I'll give it a try |
| 06:29.25 | mdim | how to reload fstab on the fly? |
| 06:29.33 | SirLagz | you don't need to reload fstab |
| 06:29.39 | Lady_Aleena | still has an hour to kill. |
| 06:29.42 | mdim | oh, ok |
| 06:29.44 | SirLagz | mdim: fstab gets read each time you try to mount anything |
| 06:29.46 | SirLagz | AFAIK anyway |
| 06:29.51 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: still deleting the partition ? |
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| 06:30.05 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, resizing a partition now. |
| 06:30.12 | SirLagz | fun times |
| 06:30.45 | mdim | SirLagz: hm, but what if I'd like to enable only the 'www-data' user to mount that partition? |
| 06:30.55 | SirLagz | mdim: then use sudo |
| 06:30.57 | Lady_Aleena | If KPatience would quit crashing, I would play a few hands. |
| 06:31.07 | SirLagz | mdim: why would you want www-data to mount a partition ? |
| 06:31.27 | hiroshima | then I always get the question to download an empty file with the size of 26Bytes. Where do I have to configure that? If I enable webdav in the file ../apache2/sites-available/default then I am able to access all data through the https protocol, but not those of kronolith. Where do I have to configure PIM? |
| 06:31.55 | hiroshima | Probably in horde.conf? |
| 06:32.40 | Lady_Aleena | goes to the kitchen to load and run the dishwasher while waiting. |
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| 06:33.40 | mdim | SirLagz: so, I've setup ownCloud ( www.owncloud.org ). My server doesn't have much of storage, so I want to mount a partition over VPN from a drive that is actually in my apartment, and thereby extend the storage space available in the cloud service. The ownCloud instance is a PHP service that runs under the www-data user, and it needs user www-data to be able to write to that partition, but I don't want other users to be able to mess |
| 06:33.40 | mdim | with it |
| 06:33.52 | centrx | PHP is an abomination and a scourge on the face of the earth. |
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| 06:34.08 | SirLagz | mdim: that sounds very complicated... |
| 06:34.30 | SirLagz | mdim: why not just run owncloud on your own computer ? |
| 06:34.36 | mdim | SirLagz: I know, but I'm almost there. I can mount the partition, but as root |
| 06:35.25 | mdim | SirLagz: I need a public static IP, and my server is more powerful (and with reliable uptime) than what I have at home |
| 06:35.33 | Yukikaze | if your server is not in your home and your storage is you'll be limiting it to your connections upload sleep |
| 06:35.40 | Yukikaze | speed* |
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| 06:35.45 | mdim | I know |
| 06:35.54 | mdim | but I can live with that |
| 06:36.03 | SirLagz | mdim: what your doing sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. |
| 06:36.06 | SirLagz | you're* |
| 06:36.11 | Yukikaze | ^ |
| 06:36.23 | mdim | ok, we can discuss that, but first I want to mount this :) |
| 06:36.42 | SirLagz | mdim: you can configure sudo to allow www-data to run only the command 'mount /path /mntpoint' |
| 06:37.08 | mdim | SirLagz: how do I do that? |
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| 06:37.19 | Yukikaze | I have problems using drives in servers in the same datacentre as another one over a gbit nic and you want to try over the internet... |
| 06:37.33 | SirLagz | mdim: modify /etc/sudoers - I don't remember the exact syntax so you'll need to google that |
| 06:37.48 | SirLagz | mdim: or manpages |
| 06:37.53 | mdim | SirLagz: ok, I know how to make a user a sudoer. Then what? |
| 06:37.54 | jerkey | alexi yukikaze this is what I mean, there is no way to turn it off: http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/no-option-for-never.png |
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| 06:38.04 | SirLagz | mdim: then google ? |
| 06:39.10 | SirLagz | brb meeting |
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| 06:39.57 | mdim | SirLagz: can I make user www-data do that "sudo mount ..." on every reboot? |
| 06:40.10 | Yukikaze | ah jerkey those are reason I stopped using gnome many years ago |
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| 06:46.28 | jerkey | yukikaze what do you recommend instead? and how should i make the switch? |
| 06:47.08 | centrx | XFCE, LXDE, or a window manager |
| 06:47.27 | Yukikaze | that's really up to you jerkey |
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| 06:47.32 | Yukikaze | I use i3 |
| 06:47.46 | jerkey | what's a nice simple one that's not so simple that you can't turn off the screensaver? |
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| 06:48.00 | Yukikaze | but if you're looking for a floater I would suggest trying openbox as a standalone window manager or lxde |
| 06:48.07 | SirLagz | mdim: that's what fstab is for |
| 06:48.15 | jerkey | a floater? |
| 06:48.25 | Yukikaze | floating window manager |
| 06:48.26 | SirLagz | mdim: if you want something auto mounted, use fstab |
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| 06:48.55 | SirLagz | jerkey: XFCE is pretty simple. |
| 06:49.26 | Yukikaze | I found xfce to be pretty bad last I tried it |
| 06:49.32 | Yukikaze | (8 years ago) |
| 06:49.39 | jerkey | gives up |
| 06:49.43 | SirLagz | lol |
| 06:49.48 | SirLagz | things come a long way in 8 years |
| 06:50.11 | SirLagz | jerkey: do you want to turn off screensaver or something ? |
| 06:50.21 | mdim | SirLagz: I got the impression that just putting it in fstab won't do, at least not what I want |
| 06:50.33 | SirLagz | mdim: won't do what ? |
| 06:50.34 | mdim | ... which is that only user www-data can mount it |
| 06:50.55 | Yukikaze | fstab will mount it as root mdim |
| 06:50.55 | SirLagz | mdim: if you're automounting it, why does it matter ? |
| 06:51.08 | SirLagz | and what Yukikaze said |
| 06:51.39 | mdim | SirLagz: if I auto-mount it with the 'user' option, will www-data be able to write to it, and only www-data? |
| 06:51.52 | SirLagz | mdim: that depends on the mount options |
| 06:52.00 | SirLagz | mdim: user just lets users mount it IIRC |
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| 06:52.10 | SirLagz | mdim: you should have a look at the fstab mount page. |
| 06:52.23 | mdim | SirLagz: right. How do I limit that to one user only? I'm reading man pages right now... |
| 06:52.28 | jerkey | sirlagz i do want to turn off the screensaver. apparently in gnome that's not an option. http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/no-option-for-never.png |
| 06:52.35 | SirLagz | mdim: I'm confused as to what you want to do now. |
| 06:52.45 | SirLagz | jerkey: I don't have a screensaver enabled in XFCE if that's any help lol |
| 06:52.45 | Yukikaze | mdim: you can try mounting it with the option uid=33 |
| 06:52.51 | jerkey | can i perhaps DELETE the program that is blanking my screen? |
| 06:52.57 | SirLagz | jerkey: yes |
| 06:53.03 | SirLagz | jerkey: apt-get remove xscreensaver |
| 06:53.14 | SirLagz | jerkey: or something similar. I don't remember the exact package name |
| 06:53.31 | jerkey | sirlagz does the image i just posted look like xscreensaver? it's "Brightness and Lock" it's not really a screensaver. |
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| 06:55.33 | mdim | Yukikaze: right, I see that there is uid and gid |
| 06:55.38 | Lady_Aleena | now has about 15 minutes to kill. |
| 06:55.40 | mdim | Yukikaze: that might do the trick |
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| 06:56.33 | SirLagz | jerkey: no... |
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| 06:57.30 | Morn_ | its gnome-screensaver isnt it |
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| 06:57.55 | jerkey | sirlagz i think this post refers to the same thing, turning it off looks complicated: http://blog.tordeu.com/?p=292 |
| 06:58.29 | Morn_ | jerkey: maybe you can configure it with gconf |
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| 07:02.56 | SirLagz | jerkey: it doesn't look that complicated to me... |
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| 07:03.33 | SirLagz | then again it's Gnome3 and I haven't used gnome3 at all |
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| 07:08.25 | Lady_Aleena | Another 3+ HOURS?! |
| 07:10.07 | Lady_Aleena | How long does it take to reformat a drive with 1 partition? |
| 07:10.11 | centrx | Lady_Aleena, Is there a reason you couldn't use move? |
| 07:10.29 | Lady_Aleena | centrx, I am repartitioning a drive, and it is taking forever. |
| 07:10.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | "reformat"? |
| 07:10.53 | Lady_Aleena | CutMeOwnThroat, okay, format. |
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| 07:11.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | "format"? |
| 07:11.35 | Lady_Aleena | GParted is taking forever to repartition this drive. |
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| 07:12.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not so clear what you're trying to do from your description. |
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| 07:12.56 | Lady_Aleena | CutMeOwnThroat, I have a drive which has/had 2 partitions, I want only 1 partition. However, I do not want to lose the data on the drive. |
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| 07:13.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | which means you have backups to pull everyting back from. sensible |
| 07:13.53 | Lady_Aleena | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, I created a backup just in case. |
| 07:14.16 | Lady_Aleena | 3:10 remaining |
| 07:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and now you copied things from the 2nd partition onto the first and then used gparted to delete the 2nd, then extend the 1st? |
| 07:14.42 | Lady_Aleena | Now I am thinking I should have just formatted the drive and been done with it. |
| 07:15.16 | Lady_Aleena | I mean, it shouldn't take 5 hours to repartition a drive. |
| 07:15.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, no, probably you copied to the 2nd ... |
| 07:15.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lady_Aleena, it doesn't |
| 07:15.40 | Lady_Aleena | I copied the data to another drive all together as a backup. |
| 07:15.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | it takes hours to move the data, though if you move partitions around |
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| 07:16.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that is *not* "repartition" in my understanding... repartition would be to delete all partitions, then make new ones |
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| 07:16.23 | Lady_Aleena | I loathe partitions because they are so unneeded. If I want to organize my files, I use directories. |
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| 07:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... and if you would want to install the-$-OS, you'd do that into a directory |
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| 07:17.22 | jerkey | SirLagz i agree it's not that complicated, i executed the commands and rebooted, now we shall see if it works. i just needed the right search terms to find someone with the same problem i was having. Too bad the gnome developers don't read the internet, or we wouldn't have this problem. |
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| 07:18.09 | Lady_Aleena | The last time I dealt with partitions was over a decade ago. |
| 07:18.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, maybe they read the streets instead |
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| 07:23.32 | Zharf | ¥ |
| 07:23.34 | Zharf | whops |
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| 07:24.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lady_Aleena, if you trust your backups to be accurate, might not be too bad an idea to just make a new partition with a new filesystem... whatever fragmenation was there on the drive will be gone.... not sure how that is after you move/expand it with gparted |
| 07:24.37 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 07:24.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | only thing is that you risk not being able to boot and having to fix that from a rescue disk |
| 07:25.05 | ShapeShifter499 | can anyone tell me why I'm getting these errors about my wifi and how to fix it? http://paste.debian.net/81997/ |
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| 07:25.49 | Lady_Aleena | CutMeOwnThroat, I am repartitioning the drive formerly known as D not the drive formerly known as C. |
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| 07:27.31 | Lady_Aleena | I won't do anything to the drive formerly known as C, unless I am nuking it to install a new OS. |
| 07:28.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | eye sea |
| 07:28.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | laters |
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| 07:30.21 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: are these NTFS drives ? |
| 07:30.24 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: or windows drives ? |
| 07:30.58 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, GParted says NTFS for this one partition. |
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| 07:31.16 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: ah. fun times. |
| 07:31.39 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: I avoid doing that to NTFS partitions. Last time I tried doing that, everything got wiped on the drive |
| 07:31.48 | Lady_Aleena | Oh goody. |
| 07:31.58 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: with NTFS drives, i normally move everything off, remove partitions, recreate partitions, move everything back on |
| 07:32.13 | SirLagz | assuming I have enough spare space to do that |
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| 07:32.19 | SirLagz | If i don't then I don't bother repartitioning lol |
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| 07:32.47 | Lady_Aleena | I am just so bored waiting. |
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| 07:33.24 | ShapeShifter499 | no ideas guys on the wifi issues? |
| 07:33.35 | ShapeShifter499 | I run debian squeeze btw |
| 07:33.58 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: sounds like it can't get an IP address when it connects to the wifi network |
| 07:34.38 | Lady_Aleena | doesn't trust wifi, so runs cables to the other computers. |
| 07:34.55 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, I don't know why, all my computers including the one I'm chatting with all connect to the same wifi with dhcp (not static) |
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| 07:35.06 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: pity some devices are forced to use WiFi lol |
| 07:35.15 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, I don't own any. |
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| 07:35.20 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: have any of those devices been rebooted or had their dhcp lease renewed ? |
| 07:35.30 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: I do unfortunately |
| 07:35.33 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, yes |
| 07:35.46 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: maybe the WiFi adapter is on the way out then ? |
| 07:36.06 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, this device is new |
| 07:36.08 | ShapeShifter499 | D |
| 07:36.10 | ShapeShifter499 | D: |
| 07:36.12 | nabblet | ShapeShifter499: also, maybe yourdhcp doesn wnat to hand out an IP. maybe your range is too small (all IPs used) or it will not respond to your computer because of firewalls? |
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| 07:36.32 | bhuddah | ShapeShifter499: maybe a typo in the wifi key? |
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| 07:36.35 | nabblet | e.g. blocked by mac-address? |
| 07:36.40 | ShapeShifter499 | only 5 on my system |
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| 07:36.49 | ShapeShifter499 | no mac blocking has been set up |
| 07:36.56 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: have you rebooted your WiFi router ? |
| 07:36.59 | ShapeShifter499 | yes |
| 07:37.02 | ShapeShifter499 | just a moment ago |
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| 07:37.28 | ShapeShifter499 | the wifi router is also only a few months old |
| 07:38.58 | nabblet | ShapeShifter499: can you check the settings of your dhcp server? |
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| 07:39.16 | Lady_Aleena | took the antenna off of her router so no one can possibly use it without permission. |
| 07:39.29 | nabblet | i guess your wifi router is doing the dhcp server |
| 07:39.49 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: and you're running Debian Squeeze ? |
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| 07:39.52 | ShapeShifter499 | nabblet, yes |
| 07:39.57 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, yes |
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| 07:40.20 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: I'm assuming the wifi network is protected by wpa2 ? |
| 07:40.26 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, yes |
| 07:40.45 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: do you know if the driver that the wifi nic is using supports WPA2 ? |
| 07:41.52 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, it does |
| 07:42.09 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, iwconfig also says it supports the N band |
| 07:42.44 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: do you have the 'iw' utility installed ? |
| 07:42.53 | ShapeShifter499 | no |
| 07:43.08 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: install that, then run iw list and paste up the output |
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| 07:45.18 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, http://paste.debian.net/81999/ |
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| 07:47.49 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: I would have expected a "Supported ciphers" section as well, but it seems to be missing |
| 07:48.00 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: what wifi adapter is it and what kernel module is it using ? |
| 07:48.15 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: I'm suspecting the kernel in Squeeze is too old to use the wifi NIC properly. |
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| 07:49.13 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: why aren't you using Wheezy ? |
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| 07:50.28 | sors_ | ShapeShifter499, how are you authenticating wpa2 |
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| 07:51.03 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, this is a arm device and squeeze is the only rootfs I could get |
| 07:51.08 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: I see |
| 07:51.25 | ShapeShifter499 | I was about to update but I thought I could get the wifi working |
| 07:51.25 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: what wifi adapter are you using ? |
| 07:51.53 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, it's an internal pci card |
| 07:51.57 | ShapeShifter499 | *pcie |
| 07:51.59 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: If I were you, I'd update to wheezy and then run iw list and see if there is a supported ciphers |
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| 07:52.07 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: ok, what chipset is it using ? |
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| 07:54.07 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, I'm not 100 percent on that |
| 07:54.42 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: lspci should tell you |
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| 07:54.54 | G|ass | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYwMzg |
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| 07:55.46 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, hmm, command not found |
| 07:55.56 | SirLagz | might need to install lspci then |
| 07:56.33 | babilen | pciutils that is |
| 07:56.35 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, what package is that in? I get a E: Unable to locate package lspci |
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| 07:56.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell ShapeShifter499 -about apt-file |
| 07:57.08 | ShapeShifter499 | I also get a apt-file not found |
| 07:57.12 | ShapeShifter499 | *command not found |
| 07:57.26 | SirLagz | apt-cache search lspci ? |
| 07:57.38 | babilen | ShapeShifter499: Install that and then run 'apt-file search -x "bin/lspci$"' -- Well, apt-file is also not installed by default. ;) |
| 07:57.53 | ShapeShifter499 | babilen, ah |
| 07:58.16 | babilen | ShapeShifter499: Luckily apt-file has been packaged as apt-file \o/ |
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| 08:01.27 | ShapeShifter499 | babilen, thanks got it installed |
| 08:01.42 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, the output of that is 00:00.0 Network controller: RaLink RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe |
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| 08:02.06 | babilen | ShapeShifter499: Could you run "lspci -nn|grep -i network" ? |
| 08:02.30 | babilen | dpkg: rt3090 |
| 08:02.31 | dpkg | Ralink 802.11n PCI chipsets (RT2760, RT2790, RT2860, RT2880, RT2890, RT3060, RT3062, RT3090, RT3091, RT3092, RT3390, RT3562, RT3592, RT5390) are supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800pci driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.33. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
| 08:02.39 | ShapeShifter499 | ok I get 00:00.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe [1814:3090] |
| 08:02.46 | babilen | ShapeShifter499: You will need a newer kernel *and* firmware. |
| 08:02.53 | babilen | judd: pciid 1814:3090 |
| 08:02.55 | judd | [1814:3090] is 'RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe' from 'Ralink corp.' with kernel module 'rt2800pci' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:3090 http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
| 08:03.01 | ShapeShifter499 | I have 3.12.6 as my kernel |
| 08:03.21 | babilen | On squeeze? |
| 08:03.29 | ShapeShifter499 | I did a manual update of the kernel from another source |
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| 08:03.49 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: have you installed the firmware then ? |
| 08:04.04 | babilen | SirLagz: The other source might include it, but *shrug* |
| 08:04.12 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: and compiled in support for the rt2800pci ? |
| 08:04.18 | SirLagz | babilen: possibly but doubtful... |
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| 08:05.32 | babilen | But given that ShapeShifter499 can actually scan for networks it seems to work (to a certain degree) -- I haven't yet seen the configuration that is in use and would appreciate to look at (a sensibly anonymised) example |
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| 08:06.08 | SirLagz | babilen: works for scanning and probably connecting to unsecured networks |
| 08:06.25 | SirLagz | babilen: it doesn't seem to pick up on the ciphers the adapter can use though ( at least iw doesn't) |
| 08:06.56 | babilen | ShapeShifter499: fwiw, I'd still recommend to upgrade to wheezy *very soon* -- Follow https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/index.en.html |
| 08:07.33 | babilen | SirLagz: yeah, I've played along and it might be the case, yes. Shouldn't be too hard to verify by turning of encryption. |
| 08:07.42 | SirLagz | babilen: indeedy. |
| 08:07.48 | SirLagz | ShapeShifter499: what babilen said. Upgrade. |
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| 08:07.53 | lingooo | hi all ACTION=="add",KERNEL=="sd*", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{product}=="Mass Storage", RUN+="/tmp/test" is not being triggered when a new mass storage is being inserted any idea? /etc/udev/rules.d/99-usbhook.rules |
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| 08:08.10 | ShapeShifter499 | babilen, this is the only configuration I have done, /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.debian.net/82000/ |
| 08:08.18 | SirLagz | lingooo: is /tmp/test runnable by everyone ? |
| 08:08.21 | ShapeShifter499 | I edited out my stuff |
| 08:08.25 | lingooo | yes sir |
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| 08:09.36 | babilen | ShapeShifter499: So, you are using "..." in there? I've only ever seen it working without, but then I started using NM quite some time ago |
| 08:09.45 | lingooo | SirLagz: any suggestion? |
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| 08:11.20 | ShapeShifter499 | babilen, yea |
| 08:12.08 | Iridos | there doesn't even seem to be a apt-file search /var/lib/dhcpcd in debian, not in wheezy, not in squeeze |
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| 08:12.53 | ShapeShifter499 | Iridos, uh what? |
| 08:14.11 | Iridos | I mean there doesn't even seem to be a /var/lib/dhcpcd in debian, not in wheezy, not in squeeze, I just looked with apt-file |
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| 08:14.53 | Iridos | so I wonder about that error in paste 81997 |
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| 08:15.23 | SirLagz | lingooo: not sure then...unless you need Mass Storage* as a wildcard |
| 08:15.27 | SirLagz | lingooo: been a while since I've played with udev rules |
| 08:16.00 | SirLagz | Iridos: isc-dhcp-client uses dhcpcd IIRC |
| 08:17.05 | lingooo | SirLagz: like this? ACTION=="add",KERNEL=="sd*", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{product}=="Mass Storage*", RUN+="/tmp/test" |
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| 08:17.13 | SirLagz | lingooo: yes |
| 08:17.19 | lingooo | no good |
| 08:17.25 | SirLagz | what's /tmp/test do ? |
| 08:17.36 | lingooo | echo "hi" >> /tmp/test.txt |
| 08:19.10 | lingooo | SirLagz: do i need to reload any deamon? |
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| 08:19.14 | lingooo | i am just unplugging and replugging |
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| 08:20.09 | Stoemp | Trying to the remember the name of the program that reads .gz files like less, anyone remember it? |
| 08:20.24 | brotherBox | zless probably |
| 08:20.40 | Stoemp | Thanks, brother. |
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| 08:22.59 | SirLagz | lingooo: maybe try restaring udev then |
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| 08:23.51 | swagilicious | Sorry, had a disconnect. |
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| 08:25.47 | babilen | Stoemp: I'd recommend to enable lesspipe (cf. http://paste.debian.net/82002/ ) which allows you to use less directly with zipped files |
| 08:25.52 | lingooo | Tridos it uses bash |
| 08:25.55 | lingooo | ity is set to 777 |
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| 09:18.51 | ShapeShifter499 | babilen, SirLagz I did a upgrade and I still can't get any wifi working |
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| 09:20.22 | dwarder | guys what shoudl i do with this ? http://pastebin.com/kiABYLPA |
| 09:20.26 | dwarder | upgrading mysql-server and mysql-client packages didn't help |
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| 09:20.54 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, here is a updated iw list http://paste.debian.net/82010/ |
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| 09:23.25 | napcae | apt-get/aptitude |
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| 09:26.40 | Nyoxi | :) |
| 09:27.07 | Nyoxi | ok, let me explain. I would like to periodicaly clean up the pbuilder results directory |
| 09:27.22 | Nyoxi | and keep lets say 5 old versions of each package and no more |
| 09:27.37 | napcae | hm cronjob? |
| 09:27.45 | Nyoxi | 33G /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ |
| 09:28.14 | Nyoxi | sure, but I kind of expected somebody already wrote a script for such thing |
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| 09:57.36 | wood_quinn | How can I run an ELF binary from a filesystem that doesn't use Unix-like permissions? I thought there was a way to do it using something from /lib |
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| 10:14.47 | cjdavies | If one uses hard/fake RAID (specifically Intel ESRT2/LSI) is there a package in debian to get the status of the disks? |
| 10:14.55 | cjdavies | Eg if a disk fails, will debian be able to know? |
| 10:15.25 | gentrophyx | Has anyone used one of these plexgear pl2303 ? I have loaded usbserial to it an i have /dev/ttyUSB0. I can open the tty and send commands but they arent transmitted on the other end of the usb-to-serial device. |
| 10:15.32 | ShapeShifter499 | SirLagz, babilen the wifi started to work, yay :D |
| 10:15.55 | babilen | ShapeShifter499: Oh, great. What was necessary? |
| 10:16.10 | ShapeShifter499 | babilen, I haven't a clue |
| 10:16.17 | ShapeShifter499 | babilen, I guess the upgrade did it |
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| 10:16.58 | babilen | ShapeShifter499: [Zwonderful |
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| 10:18.21 | ShapeShifter499 | babilen, just did a full powered off and on reboot just to make sure it wasn't a fluke and it still connected to wifi. No ethernet plugged in anymore and I can reach it still using ssh |
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| 10:19.01 | gentrophyx | It could be a PL-2303X because it sets bMaxPacketSize0 to 64. That would mean its a counterfeit device. |
| 10:19.43 | ShapeShifter499 | babilen, anyhow thank you for the help |
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| 10:21.59 | ShapeShifter499 | babilen, now I can take this into my room and make my printer a wireless shared printer and maybe setup a nas on this as well |
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| 10:45.25 | przemek | hello i have a problem with installing debian 7.4 on supermicro X10SLH-F with intel 210 eth adapter |
| 10:45.52 | przemek | have someone of You have iso compiled with newset intel drivers |
| 10:46.19 | przemek | i googled this problem but have a problem with finding stable iso with it, |
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| 10:53.22 | Devastatr | przemek I think there is kmuto images |
| 10:53.37 | gentrophyx | Hmm, pl2303 usb to serial devices cannot support a baudrate of less then 9600 (looking at kernel source pl2303.c). Can anyone show me an url to an usb to serial device that support baudrate 2400 ? |
| 10:54.57 | przemek | Devastatr: i will check this |
| 10:55.08 | Devastatr | !kmuto |
| 10:55.09 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 10:55.32 | Devastatr | hum, factoid says squeeze |
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| 10:55.53 | Devastatr | dunno if he is building wheezy as well |
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| 10:56.15 | moriarty | farts in nkuttler's face |
| 10:56.26 | jimcooncat | how to I capture or pause the first few lines of stderr after running a command? |
| 10:56.27 | przemek | Devastatr: wow looks nice, i will try these straight away thank you mister |
| 10:57.13 | przemek | Devastatr: ahh its 6.0 :/ version |
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| 10:57.49 | przemek | anyway will check it |
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| 10:58.59 | Devastatr | maybe you can install this and dist-upgrade to wheezy |
| 10:59.32 | oliva | hi there I'm using find -name "*.csv" -o -name "*.png" and I have two different file list whether I use -print0 or not ... is it a find bug or am I misunderstanding anything? |
| 10:59.35 | przemek | firstly i will check if this see that intel eth |
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| 11:00.00 | jimcooncat | nm, found it |
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| 11:01.42 | frostschutz | oliva, for the -print0 you might want to ( ) |
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| 11:02.40 | oliva | frostschutz to bind the -o conditions? |
| 11:02.47 | frostschutz | oliva, find \( -name -o -name \) -print0; or find -name -print0 -o -name -print0 ... |
| 11:02.58 | oliva | frostschutz: how come? |
| 11:03.34 | frostschutz | how should I know? I didn't make the rules |
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| 11:04.47 | oliva | frostschutz: it's because of its rule then :) I'm not asking why the rule was make like that |
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| 11:11.18 | przemek | anyone guys have debian iso compiled with newest kernel not jessy but wheezy? |
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| 11:16.25 | ksk | przemek: compiling a debian iso? |
| 11:16.40 | Devastatr | przemek I don't know if this solves your problems, but I think you could build a custom live image and install from there |
| 11:16.40 | ksk | please rephrase your question, i dont get it :P |
| 11:16.41 | przemek | i ment the netinstall debian 7.4 with newest kernel |
| 11:17.07 | przemek | i have a problem with intel 210 adapter when installing new debian |
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| 11:17.30 | Devastatr | przemek is this a matter of kernel version or just the firmware? |
| 11:17.30 | przemek | got the same problem with 7.3 I thought the problem 7.4 will help |
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| 11:17.44 | przemek | Devastatr: jessy have no problem with Intel 210 |
| 11:17.50 | tremon | oliva: with find, every condition has its own action list. In your first example, neither of the -name predicates has an action so both default to -print. In your latter example, the second condition has an explicit action -print0 but the former still has the default action |
| 11:17.53 | frostschutz | przemek, grml has 3.10 kernel, and can debootstrap debian... |
| 11:18.07 | przemek | Devastatr: maybe both? |
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| 11:18.55 | przemek | frostschutz: grml i will check this.. |
| 11:18.59 | frostschutz | przemek, or you could get a full install cd then roll your own kernel from there |
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| 11:19.58 | przemek | frostschutz: sir i was trying even last 7.4 dvd - not help at all :/ |
| 11:20.07 | buu | tremon: So you would have to write: find -name foo -print0 -or -name bar -print0 ? |
| 11:20.37 | Devastatr | in most cases just the firmware is needed |
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| 11:21.11 | Devastatr | and if that helps, read: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=106169 |
| 11:21.25 | buu | Or presumably find \( -name foo -or -name bar \) -print0 ? |
| 11:21.37 | tremon | buu: yes, both should work |
| 11:22.23 | buu | I had always wondered how actions and conditions were related in find |
| 11:22.36 | przemek | Devastatr: yeh I saw this topic many times |
| 11:22.56 | tremon | although I would have expected the first -name to still be listed in the output. It doesn't, so there's still something lurking |
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| 11:30.53 | Ritzton | I do have the choice between debian squeeze and debian wheezy for a webserver, what is better to choose ? |
| 11:31.02 | petern_ | wheezy |
| 11:31.53 | tremon | buu, oliva: http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/unix/findcmd.htm#gotcha . If no action at all has been provided, find inserts a default ( expr) -print . But if there is an action listed somewhere in the expression, no other default actions are added |
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| 11:32.20 | petern_ | Ritzton, squeeze is version 6, wheezy is version 7. security support for squeeze will be ending soonish. |
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| 11:32.26 | Ritzton | petern_> isn't it better to take squeeze because it is oldstable ? |
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| 11:32.39 | lex|work | I see no reason to take squeeze over wheezy, to be honest |
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| 11:33.01 | Ritzton | petern_> is wheezy going to become oldstable after squeeze ? |
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| 11:33.51 | petern_ | once jessie is released, yes. but you shouldn't aspire to run 'oldstable' |
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| 11:35.22 | przemek | frostschutz: i will try install debootstrap debian from grml thx! |
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| 11:44.59 | petn-randall | Ritzton: squeeze's security support will end around May, so you'd have to upgrade in the next 3 months, anyway. |
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| 11:51.57 | jelly | petn-randall: have to? I still have lennies. :-| |
| 11:52.06 | jelly | is a sad panda |
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| 11:52.54 | petn-randall | jelly: "have to" in the sense of "if you still want security support or any support here". You're still free to keep them :) |
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| 12:00.44 | gnugnu4 | There is a Debian Source Package (dsc) and I want to build only one of the binary packages resulting from it. Is that possible or do I always have to build all resulting binary packages from it? |
| 12:00.45 | gnugnu4 | I would use cowbuilder (pbuilder) or native debuilder (if this would be necessary). |
| 12:01.48 | hopthrisC | why is cron-apt trying to reach security.d.o via ipv6 at night, but i can never reproduce the problem manually? |
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| 12:02.59 | yossarianuk | hi - was is a sensible estimate for Debian Wheezy's EOL? |
| 12:03.06 | yossarianuk | i.e 2017 ? |
| 12:03.08 | yossarianuk | 2016 . |
| 12:03.15 | yossarianuk | *what* |
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| 12:03.40 | petn-randall | yossarianuk: Usually one year after the next release. But there's no release date for jessie yet, so there's no estimate. |
| 12:03.48 | tremon | summer 2018 I'd say. With a huge margin of error |
| 12:04.03 | jelly | !release history |
| 12:04.04 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7.0; 2013-05-04). The next release will be Jessie. http://debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases |
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| 12:04.23 | jelly | !jessie bet |
| 12:04.24 | dpkg | To add a bet to the <jessie pool>, /msg dpkg jessie pool 1 =~ s/!/! yournick=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when "jessie pool 1" is full, create "jessie pool 2" and update this factoid. |
| 12:04.28 | jelly | !jessie pool |
| 12:04.29 | dpkg | See <jessie pool 1> for bets placed on when Jessie will release. To add one, ask me about <jessie bet>. |
| 12:04.33 | jelly | !jessie pool 1 |
| 12:04.34 | dpkg | ! gsimmons=2015-08-27 peterrooney=2014-11-11 babīlen=2015-05-23 themíll=2015-06-23 abrotman=2015-07-24 |
| 12:04.39 | yossarianuk | ok thanks - trying to work out what would be best to use between Ubuntu 12.04 + Debian 7 for a webserver.... |
| 12:04.40 | petn-randall | The correct answer is before christmas. We just won't say which year. |
| 12:05.09 | jelly | yossarianuk: if you think abrotman can be trusted, 2016-07-24 :-) |
| 12:05.10 | petn-randall | yossarianuk: Just look at which packages receive full security support in Ubuntu and choose based on that. |
| 12:05.14 | tremon | oh, I was calculating jessie's eol. nvm |
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| 12:07.26 | yossarianuk | thanks - i was aiming at getting the longest support life - whichI will assume is Ubuntu 12.04... |
| 12:07.46 | yossarianuk | Debian I know is a nicer system for webservers |
| 12:07.54 | yossarianuk | far far far less updates. |
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| 12:08.16 | petn-randall | yossarianuk: Ubuntu gives 5 years of support, but only for about 10% of their packages. So you'd have to check if those you'll be using are within these 10%. |
| 12:08.16 | lex|work | yossarianuk: not just for webservers ;) |
| 12:09.06 | yossarianuk | lex|work: yes as steamos is showing... |
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| 12:11.55 | jelly | yossarianuk: centos! |
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| 12:22.02 | yossarianuk | jelly: yes I know it has a long life... I just don't like RPM... |
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| 12:22.32 | yossarianuk | The lack of ability to easily upgrade -> next version is one of debian's strengths (centos lacks that) |
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| 12:27.52 | wed | Slackware has rather a long supported life. OpenBSD is easy to upgrade |
| 12:28.42 | yossarianuk | Slackware - its that kind of pointless as Arch exists? |
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| 12:29.00 | yossarianuk | *isn't* |
| 12:29.21 | yossarianuk | its one of the few major distros I haven't bothered with. |
| 12:29.23 | wed | I use Slackware because it suits me. Have you tried it? |
| 12:29.27 | yossarianuk | no |
| 12:29.32 | daemonkeeper | Either way it's off topic here. |
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| 12:29.38 | yossarianuk | its one of the few major ones I have't. |
| 12:29.42 | yossarianuk | sure... |
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| 12:31.26 | wed | The topic I tried to address was maintenance and upgradability. Else I don't bring forth Debian unrelated here |
| 12:32.06 | yossarianuk | wed: cheers - it also has to be Plesk supported which slackware isn't - Deb6/7 is. |
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| 12:32.35 | wed | Ok, I don't know what that is |
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| 12:32.59 | yossarianuk | wed: its sort of like AIDS for a webserver. |
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| 12:33.25 | yossarianuk | it makes Linux as unreliableand insecure as Windows. |
| 12:33.29 | wed | Then I'm glad it's not supported in ... my distro |
| 12:34.16 | Tlin | Hi, is it possible to install a dummy network interface in debian? |
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| 12:36.00 | zett_zelett | I have an external cd/dvd drive (Plextor PX-830SA) and I want to find out if there any drivers for it out there. |
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| 12:36.10 | zett_zelett | I couldn’t find anything so far. |
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| 12:36.58 | zett_zelett | I’m kind of desperate now – can anyone help me? Is there some site where I can lookup which drives are supported with Linux and which are not? |
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| 12:38.24 | tremon | Tlin: what's a dummy network interface? If you mean a virtual interface that isn't tied to a physical network card, look into tun/tap interfaces (tunctl iirc) |
| 12:39.10 | napcae | i try to setup multiple ssl vhosts, but my subdomain gets the wrong certificate. here is my setup http://pastebin.com/b3qhLhk2 |
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| 12:40.18 | zett_zelett | Or, I’m not even sure if it’s some drivers missing – k3b just doesn’t recgonize any drives and growisofs claims a fitting file (<4.7 GB) was too large exiting with an input/output error, while lsscsi outputs "[41:0:0:0] cd/dvd PLEXTOR DVDR PX-830SA 1.01 /dev/sr0". |
| 12:40.41 | zett_zelett | I just want to get some info on what’s going wrong and I don’t know what to do now. |
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| 12:50.06 | Tlin | <tremon> Yes, thx |
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| 12:56.50 | yossarianuk | zett_zelett: most drives are. |
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| 12:59.23 | acerspyro | I am new to Debian, and I noticed that after installing a few packages, they were outdated. I tried installing the backports, but couldn't figure out how... |
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| 12:59.49 | acerspyro | The backports for wheezy seemed to load correctly, but the packages weren't more up to date. |
| 13:00.19 | yossarianuk | I think the perfect desktop distro would be Debian base with latest KDE (rolling KDE/stable)... |
| 13:00.33 | yossarianuk | (and a rolling stable kernel.) |
| 13:00.34 | themill | acerspyro: not all packages are backported -- it wouldn't make sense to do so. Precisely what package are you looking for (and why do you need a new version) |
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| 13:00.44 | acerspyro | red eclipse |
| 13:00.57 | acerspyro | Obviously, I cannot connect to 1.4 servers with 1.2 |
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| 13:02.42 | themill | that package is backported |
| 13:02.52 | acerspyro | kk |
| 13:02.53 | themill | ,v redeclipse --release wheezy-backports |
| 13:02.54 | judd | Package: redeclipse on i386 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4-5~bpo70+1 |
| 13:03.34 | acerspyro | odd |
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| 13:04.08 | jelly | noone expects the spanish backport |
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| 13:05.00 | acerspyro | omg. dat irc client is hateful. |
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| 13:11.10 | Arceye | Hi, I am in need of advice, I have tried ubuntu but found I don't have a powerfull enough PC so was advised debian is less hungry , is this true ? |
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| 13:12.22 | Arceye | and do I really need to download 12Gb on 3 dvd's to install it ? |
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| 13:13.15 | Morn_ | arceye: you could give debian a try. you dont need all dvds, just cd/dvd number 1 for installation (or the netinstall cd). how much RAM does your computer have? |
| 13:14.04 | Arceye | pc specs are AMD athlon64 3700+ 2Gb Ram ati 3600HD ( but I am not expecting support for the gfx card |
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| 13:16.35 | acerspyro | I'm back |
| 13:16.45 | acerspyro | ...With a better client. |
| 13:17.45 | acerspyro | deb http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib |
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| 13:18.15 | acerspyro | This is what I have in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:18.28 | acerspyro | Well, a line as an example, for the contrib |
| 13:18.43 | Morn_ | arceye: sounds good enough for either ubuntu or debian (which will probably be less hungry) |
| 13:19.04 | acerspyro | Is it alright, ir is there a mistake? Does it points correctly to the repo? |
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| 13:19.44 | Arceye | ubuntu runs like crap, so I was advised to try debian |
| 13:20.02 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Arceye about netinst |
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| 13:20.29 | Arceye | I am downlaoding live dvd now |
| 13:20.54 | acerspyro | abrotman: I remember that username,,, :) |
| 13:20.54 | DotHack | hi all! |
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| 13:21.05 | acerspyro | Oh yeah, on my iMac, lol |
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| 13:21.23 | DotHack | when cloning my debian vm, is regenerating the ssh key enough to create a unique vm? |
| 13:21.45 | acerspyro | cries |
| 13:21.54 | acerspyro | why u run such a great OS in a VM? D: |
| 13:21.56 | du5tball | hm. when i install the xen-packages, what should the uname -a be if i installed it correctly? |
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| 13:22.25 | abrotman | DotHack: probably want to look at the udev stuff |
| 13:22.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell DotHack about 70 |
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| 13:23.43 | DotHack | acerspyro: why not! its a great os! |
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| 13:24.19 | acerspyro | Am I the only gamer here who only has Linux on their computer? |
| 13:24.32 | acerspyro | My rig has no traces of Windows. All Linux. |
| 13:24.48 | du5tball | acerspyro: nope, me too |
| 13:24.56 | DotHack | abrotman: abrotman thnx! |
| 13:25.10 | acerspyro | du5tball: cool |
| 13:25.39 | DotHack | acerspyro: VM doesnt always mean VM on a windows workstation you know :) |
| 13:25.49 | acerspyro | DotHack: Mac |
| 13:25.58 | DotHack | acerspyro: nope |
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| 13:26.04 | acerspyro | No-OS? |
| 13:26.07 | acerspyro | Dos? |
| 13:26.10 | acerspyro | UNIZ? |
| 13:26.43 | acerspyro | deb http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib |
| 13:26.50 | acerspyro | ^ so, anything wrong with that line? |
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| 13:27.12 | acerspyro | I won't install KDE before I know it will be 4.12.2 |
| 13:27.46 | themill | acerspyro: you probably need non-free on that line too |
| 13:27.57 | acerspyro | themill: I have it too |
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| 13:28.05 | themill | not in what you just pasted... |
| 13:28.08 | DotHack | acerspyro: linux? |
| 13:28.18 | acerspyro | themill: I need them both on the same line? |
| 13:28.21 | acerspyro | DotHack: lol |
| 13:28.32 | themill | acerspyro: perhaps you should pastebin your entire sources.list |
| 13:28.36 | acerspyro | kk |
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| 13:28.41 | Arceye | writing out live DVD , only a few minuted before I see how it can run |
| 13:28.46 | acerspyro | Does dpkg paste utomatically pastebin? |
| 13:28.51 | Arceye | minutes even |
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| 13:29.39 | acerspyro | http://pastebin.com/synFY2Jq |
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| 13:29.57 | acerspyro | Btw, RE 1.2 sucks hardcore, all day, all night long. |
| 13:29.59 | themill | pastebin.com :( |
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| 13:30.07 | acerspyro | themill: whoops, sorrah |
| 13:30.19 | acerspyro | Very deeply sorry |
| 13:30.35 | acerspyro | I forgot to use either debian.paste.com or pastie.org |
| 13:30.50 | acerspyro | paste.debian.org* |
| 13:30.57 | adkins | hey, i had periodically mous-lagging-behaviour and tried to solve this (IT IS SOLVED) but on my way to the solution i followed some advice in the web and disabled acpi-firmware interrupts: gpe11 . that was a very high growing value. Is it ok to let it disabled or could this get into an issue? |
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| 13:31.19 | acerspyro | Btw, a2nd that you saw yesterday, was me not registered into nickserv. It meant "AcerspyroThe2nd" |
| 13:31.24 | adkins | this disableing wasnt the issue though!!! |
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| 13:33.26 | themill | acerspyro: that will work fine although apt-get update will tell you that you have duplicate entries (which you do) |
| 13:34.10 | acerspyro | themill: it does |
| 13:34.29 | acerspyro | Sorry, I come from SuSE, and their repo techniques are very different. |
| 13:34.59 | tremon | adkins: I know of no situations where acpi firmware provides anything essential to the system, so I'd guess you're ok with leaving it permanently disabled. Though if it's a laptop, closing the lid may no longer suspend the system |
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| 13:36.00 | adkins | tremon: thank you. is gep11 for suspending while closing lid? |
| 13:37.14 | acerspyro | themill: then why can't it find RE 1.4? |
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| 13:37.37 | themill | acerspyro: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy red- |
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| 13:37.57 | themill | acerspyro: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy redeclipse redeclipse-data; apt-cache policy" for us? |
| 13:38.14 | tremon | I'm not sure. I've seen references to lid events being tied to gpe1d instead, but I don't know it that's vendor-specific or not. I had assumed that you had to disable all gpe interrupts. If you can disable them individually, the potential for damage is much smaller |
| 13:38.34 | gnugnu4 | hi again |
| 13:38.38 | acerspyro | themill: sure |
| 13:38.45 | gnugnu4 | There is a Debian Source Package (dsc) and I want to build only one of the binary packages resulting from it. Is that possible or do I always have to build all resulting binary packages from it? |
| 13:38.50 | acerspyro | I have 3 mins till I have to go for school tho |
| 13:38.52 | gnugnu4 | I would use cowbuilder (pbuilder) or native debuilder (if this would be necessary). |
| 13:38.55 | gnugnu4 | Is this channel appropriate btw? |
| 13:38.59 | gnugnu4 | anyone? :) |
| 13:39.01 | gnugnu4 | themill: hi |
| 13:39.04 | adkins | tremon: damage? u mean software-damage hopefully ;) |
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| 13:39.17 | babilen | gnugnu4: I'd recommend #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 13:39.29 | adkins | i always suspend by pm-suspend** |
| 13:39.29 | themill | gnugnu4: did we discuss this the other day? |
| 13:39.38 | acerspyro | http://pastie.org/8733276 |
| 13:39.47 | acerspyro | themill: I have to go |
| 13:40.03 | themill | acerspyro: you need to follow the instructions on the backports website to install the package |
| 13:40.13 | themill | acerspyro: it's there and ready to go |
| 13:40.13 | acerspyro | I should be on around 9 AM, said that it is 8:40 AM here for me. |
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| 13:40.24 | gnugnu4 | themill: no |
| 13:40.30 | acerspyro | And my nick will be acerspyroThe2nd, or a2nd, one or the other |
| 13:40.31 | gnugnu4 | babilen: ok, I will get there |
| 13:40.40 | acerspyro | See ya |
| 13:40.55 | tremon | adkins: yeah sorry, I meant to say "fallout" but figured that would make your change seem like a big deal. I meant "any negative effect from your change" |
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| 13:41.20 | themill | gnugnu4: you can prevent the .debs being build by editing debian/control; you might cause the package to fail to build by doing so and you won't speed up the build process |
| 13:41.50 | adkins | tremon: ;) thx |
| 13:42.14 | gnugnu4 | themill: In this case I don't want to speed up the build process (but a nice side effect) but I want to add something to a supplemental package (augeas-lenses which results from augeas package). |
| 13:42.38 | themill | dpkg: tell gnugnu4 about package recompile |
| 13:42.41 | gnugnu4 | themill: I added some lenses, their tests and test-wrappers. The normal augeas package is installed, and the augeas-lenses package should be then upgraded by the new augeas-lenses packages. |
| 13:43.04 | gnugnu4 | themill: Yes, the package is rebuild. However, it builds everything and I want to avoid this. |
| 13:43.17 | Arceye | Live DVD seems to run fine, when I do install will it allow me to partition drive how I want |
| 13:43.30 | themill | gnugnu4: what I said initially. |
| 13:43.33 | tremon | gnugnu4: if it's built from the same source, it's much safer to compile all packages -- in case your changes cause abi incompatibility |
| 13:43.49 | gnugnu4 | tremon: no abi involved, just some aug script files. |
| 13:43.56 | tremon | ok, your call :) |
| 13:44.00 | gnugnu4 | themill / tremon: Ok, I will build it completely. |
| 13:44.19 | gnugnu4 | But how can I skip the testing? Especially when using cowbuilder / pbuilder? |
| 13:44.44 | themill | dpkg: tell gnugnu4 about nocheck |
| 13:45.54 | gnugnu4 | thank you! |
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| 13:54.02 | Arceye | on debian install I only need to create / and swap right ? |
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| 13:56.38 | Morn_ | arceye: right. swap isnt even necessary |
| 13:56.53 | du5tball | Morn_: yes it is. else your computer may lock up. |
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| 13:57.17 | Arceye | having trouble anyway .... i'm lost |
| 13:57.30 | du5tball | Arceye: what seems to be the matter? |
| 13:57.49 | Morn_ | du5tball: it can also lock up when you have swap space |
| 13:58.04 | du5tball | Morn_: true. but so far i always recovered when having swap |
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| 13:58.22 | Arceye | I can't see how to delete an existing partition to create space |
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| 13:58.35 | Morn_ | arceye: are you using the text-based installer? |
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| 13:58.42 | Arceye | no |
| 13:58.49 | du5tball | which tool then? |
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| 14:00.18 | Arceye | I have 4 choices guided, configure software raid, configure logical volume, and configure encrypted |
| 14:00.33 | Arceye | I can't use guided as it wants to use an entire drive |
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| 14:00.51 | Morn_ | is there no "manual partitioning" option? |
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| 14:01.15 | Arceye | Morn: it appears this is the manual option |
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| 14:03.15 | Arceye | I got it now I think ... if its worng I lose all my data.... wish me luck :) |
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| 14:04.16 | tremon | the installer partitioning isn't the best tool in the world. For my installs, I prefer to boot into the rescue environment first, setup my partitioning, then reboot into the installer and make it use the existing partitioning |
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| 14:05.41 | Arceye | ok I rebooted as the partition was in use , do I need to select graphical install ? |
| 14:06.17 | Arceye | chosen it anyway :) |
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| 14:09.41 | Arceye | partition done .... Installing system |
| 14:10.12 | Arceye | I found an option to use available empty space :) |
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| 14:18.46 | Arceye | Configure the package manager.. A network mirror can be used to suplement CD-ROM ... use a netork mirror yes or no ? |
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| 14:19.45 | Arceye | does that mean I will be downloading packages from the net so I will get updated versions? |
| 14:19.53 | petn-randall | Arceye: Yes. |
| 14:20.05 | Arceye | ok so I choose Yes then |
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| 14:20.50 | Arceye | sprry for the dumb ass questions.. I am new to linux |
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| 14:21.10 | Arceye | sorry even ... obviously my fingers don't work either |
| 14:21.48 | du5tball | Arceye: we all were at some point |
| 14:22.02 | petn-randall | Arceye: We have excellent documentation if you like. http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ |
| 14:22.10 | Arceye | it seems this new install is the only OS, it should be safe to install GRUB yes or no ? |
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| 14:23.15 | Arceye | petn-randall: thanks but documentation takes me too long to read and I forget what I have read before I finish |
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| 14:24.11 | du5tball | Arceye: get used to it. you'll read a fucking lot of documentation |
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| 14:24.38 | Arceye | installation is complete, time to boot into my new OS |
| 14:24.39 | petn-randall | du5tball: No reason to swear ... keep it nice and family-friendly here. |
| 14:24.45 | antoon | Good afternoon lads and gents. Would changing the password on the user 'backup' create massive problems for me? |
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| 14:25.06 | du5tball | petn-randall: sorry, i was using it to underline the amount of documentation |
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| 14:26.09 | Arceye | du5tball: I'm sorry but I won't do a lot of reading, I will ask questions and get answers from the kind people here :) |
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| 14:27.47 | du5tball | Arceye: it won't help you much in the long-run. documentations are a lot better because you stumble upon stuff to fine tune. |
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| 14:28.25 | du5tball | well, i am off to gain world domination :) |
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| 14:28.34 | cjdavies | how does one install a package from backports from local storage? |
| 14:28.48 | Arceye | ok... first question Gnome failed to load so I chose Gnome classic at login... will it remember my choice ? |
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| 14:30.39 | a2nd | hi, acerspyro |
| 14:31.27 | Mikaela | Arceye: It should. |
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| 14:34.20 | petn-randall | I'm looking for an easy way to separate several vhosts on my apache2. Especially, if one vhost gets compromised, I'd like the others to be unaffected. Especially every vhost's files should be unreadable by other instances. Would mod_suexec be the right way to go? Any ideas how to accomplish this? |
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| 14:34.58 | Arceye | more issues ... I have dual monitor with different sized screens , I have activated them but config won't save, something about CRTC 64 outside allowed limit |
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| 14:36.13 | petn-randall | Arceye: "will it remember my choice" -- you can easily test that yourself, just logout and see. For your monitor problem we'll need the exact error message you're getting. |
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| 14:37.17 | boudiccas | how can i delete stuff off my mobiles memory card? i tried 'rm -rf /media/galaxy/Card/FashionRingtones' and it said 'trash: cannot trash directory `/media/galaxy/Card/FashionRingtones'' |
| 14:38.08 | helmyano | Hi |
| 14:38.10 | Arceye | error message coming up |
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| 14:39.07 | helmyano | Can I install debian from 'debian-7.4.0-amd64-CD-1.iso'? |
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| 14:39.27 | helmyano | Or do I need to download another CDs? |
| 14:39.41 | Arceye | where do I paste a screen shot ? |
| 14:39.43 | yossarianuk | helmyano: you can install from it |
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| 14:40.32 | helmyano | So what is the difference between this CD and 'debian-7.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso '? |
| 14:40.33 | yossarianuk | helmyano: you do not 'need' other disks |
| 14:40.42 | yossarianuk | more packages |
| 14:40.44 | helmyano | Do they contain the same stuff? |
| 14:40.51 | yossarianuk | dvd = more packages |
| 14:41.09 | helmyano | I can download them from net later, right? |
| 14:41.13 | yossarianuk | you will likely have to download packages during install from the cd |
| 14:41.17 | dgeary2 | iceape is not showing up in package listing for wheezy i386 |
| 14:41.30 | yossarianuk | depedning on what your installing - i.e desktop/server, etc |
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| 14:41.43 | helmyano | I want to install Xfce |
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| 14:42.06 | yossarianuk | if you have no net connection then you need more cd's (depending on what you are installing) |
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| 14:42.14 | caraconan | Hi there. Any how-to to install skype on Debian Jessie? Thanks. |
| 14:42.21 | tremon | helmyano: the installer can download packages. The recommended method is to download the netinstall cd, let the installer download the rest. Only reason why you would need the dvd is when installing multiple machines |
| 14:42.36 | helmyano | Can I find the listings of each DVD? |
| 14:42.42 | yossarianuk | or if you have no internet connection... |
| 14:42.46 | tremon | true |
| 14:43.08 | tremon | helmyano: check ../list-cd and ../list-dvd directories on each mirror |
| 14:43.09 | helmyano | termon, yes I need to install it many times. |
| 14:43.27 | yossarianuk | best bet is to dd the dvd .iso -> usb stick |
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| 14:45.05 | helmyano | Ok, thanks you very much, I will download the first DVD. |
| 14:45.26 | dgeary2 | eg try grepping for 'Package: iceape' in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
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| 14:47.16 | AmbiguousOutlier | newb question but what architecture download do i need for xeon e3-1230v2 |
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| 14:48.03 | tremon | AmbiguousOutlier: amd64 |
| 14:48.15 | AmbiguousOutlier | even though it's intel? |
| 14:48.20 | tremon | !amd64 |
| 14:48.20 | AmbiguousOutlier | tremon: cool thanks |
| 14:48.21 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>. |
| 14:49.20 | AmbiguousOutlier | is the small cd like an ubuntu netbootin type install? |
| 14:49.40 | tremon | don't know what that install does, but probably yes |
| 14:50.00 | AmbiguousOutlier | long time ubuntu, first time debian. :D |
| 14:50.29 | AmbiguousOutlier | do i need to configure anything special for headless? i noticed there isn't a specific headless version |
| 14:50.32 | AmbiguousOutlier | server |
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| 14:51.10 | tremon | I'm assuming headless means that you don't want a graphical environment on it. Then no, just don't select "desktop" in the installer |
| 14:51.33 | tremon | (no == you don't need anything special) |
| 14:51.41 | wed | Or just don't start X |
| 14:51.56 | tremon | that's harder than just not installing it though |
| 14:52.03 | AmbiguousOutlier | coolio, thanks tremon: my first proper server build, I'm sure i'll be back for with more questions. |
| 14:52.47 | AmbiguousOutlier | i just want a terminal to do everything in, i'll be ssh 99.9% the time |
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| 14:53.04 | wed | And for that 0,01%? |
| 14:53.15 | AmbiguousOutlier | wed: installation |
| 14:53.30 | AmbiguousOutlier | ;) |
| 14:53.36 | Arceye | where can I upload a screenshot to show a problem ? |
| 14:54.07 | tremon | Given that the installation will probably take 2 hours, you're expecting to spend 20.000 hours maintaining that server? Over what time period? :) |
| 14:54.35 | AmbiguousOutlier | fine, 99.99999999999999999999999999999999% |
| 14:54.37 | dgeary2 | the iceape packages are in the pool, just not in the listing. see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iceape/ |
| 14:54.42 | AmbiguousOutlier | :D |
| 14:56.46 | dgeary2 | where to report issues with the debian package repository? |
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| 14:57.58 | Arceye | Here is the problem I am having with dual screen https://db.tt/FjPeYvOi |
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| 15:00.09 | a2nd | Arceye: isn't this the old GNOME desktopp? |
| 15:00.16 | tremon | Arceye: bah. can you paste the output of xrandr? |
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| 15:00.43 | Arceye | yes it is and I don't know what you just said about xrandr |
| 15:01.17 | a2nd | Arceye: because your dual-screen setup is very similar to mine, and I don't have that problem |
| 15:01.36 | Arceye | ok,, what is xrandr ? |
| 15:01.39 | a2nd | else than my left-hand screen is 1440x900 |
| 15:01.48 | tremon | it's a command-line tool to do the same thing that gnome is refusing to do. Open a terminal, run xrandr and copy/paste its output to paste.debian.net |
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| 15:02.29 | tremon | a2nd: btw what do you mean "old gnome"? Looks like gnome3 to me |
| 15:02.39 | a2nd | tremon: old version of GNOME 3 |
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| 15:03.56 | tremon | ah, yes stable shipped with 3.4 or somesuch |
| 15:04.41 | a2nd | tremon: I just installed Debian and it came with a newer version of GNOME 3. |
| 15:04.51 | a2nd | So I was wondering |
| 15:05.01 | Arceye | Gnome 3 failed to load so I reverted to Gnome classic |
| 15:05.10 | a2nd | Arceye: aah, I see |
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| 15:05.48 | Arceye | http://paste.debian.net/82068/ |
| 15:06.56 | a2nd | Arceye: try lowering the resolution of your left-hand screen a bit? |
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| 15:07.58 | tremon | Arceye: try running xrandr --output DVI-1 --right-of DVI-0 --auto. I hope that's enough, otherwise |
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| 15:08.53 | tremon | ... we'll have to manually increase the framebuffer area. It it fails, can you also paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
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| 15:09.17 | Arceye | can't paste nothing now I have 2 blank screens :( |
| 15:09.46 | a2nd | Arceye: That's nice, plus, you can't see what I type, haha |
| 15:09.52 | tremon | hmm, that's unexpected |
| 15:10.07 | a2nd | He should go in the terminal and get irssi, but we can't tell him. |
| 15:10.14 | Arceye | I am chatting with a different PC and good old reliable windows |
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| 15:10.27 | a2nd | I don't think his graphic card support such a high resolution |
| 15:10.40 | a2nd | Arceye: oh, lol |
| 15:11.01 | LRN | what is the canonical way of renewing DHCP-assigned address on an interface in Debian? |
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| 15:11.39 | LRN | ip link set dev eth0 down && ip link set dev eth0 up ? |
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| 15:11.59 | Arceye | ok,,, the gfx card does support resolution and it works in ubuntu , but ubuntu runs like crap |
| 15:12.11 | tremon | LRN: I'm not sure we have a canonical way of just renewing. I'd recommend ifdown $if && ifup $if, but that's more than just renewing |
| 15:12.32 | a2nd | Arceye: do you use the OSS drivers or the proprietary? |
| 15:12.41 | tremon | Arceye: can you still log in on a console (ctrl-alt-f1)? |
| 15:12.45 | a2nd | If GNOME refused to set the resolution, there must be a reason. |
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| 15:13.16 | Arceye | rebooted machine |
| 15:13.52 | Arceye | help me get the proper drivers I need then I will try again |
| 15:13.56 | LRN | tremon, `sudo dhclient -r && sudo dhclient eth0' does work, but that's not very generic (and requires sudo...) |
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| 15:14.33 | tremon | yes, and it invalidates the dhclient.pid in /var/run that ifupdown is maintaining. Which is why I didn't mention it ;) |
| 15:14.47 | yossarianuk | (maybe offtoopic) It looks like your decision with systemd has convinced shuttleworth to drop upstart and move to systemd too ! |
| 15:15.02 | yossarianuk | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 |
| 15:15.41 | abailarri | Hello. I'm securing my SSH servide and I have a question. U changed defualt ssh port, I added denyhost to restrict the IP with 3 connections intents. I disabled root acces, I seted short timeouts, I disables connection by password and I use private key, and finally I implemented port-knoking to disable my ssh port. Anyone know any rule to applye? |
| 15:15.44 | yossarianuk | Lets hope he has similar thoughts with Mir... |
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| 15:17.08 | mumptai | Hi |
| 15:17.08 | rozie | abailarri: what rule? |
| 15:17.33 | tremon | yossarianuk: that last comment certainly is off-topic |
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| 15:18.08 | mumptai | a ridiculus question: the debian installation iso-images should be bootable? |
| 15:18.15 | dgeary2 | iceape was removed from debian according to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736165 |
| 15:18.17 | abailarri | rozie, I mean some additional settings to increase security |
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| 15:18.51 | dgeary2 | what does 'RoQA; no longer security-supported' mean? |
| 15:19.07 | tremon | mumptai: they're bootable as iso images and as (usb) disk-images when written correctly |
| 15:19.53 | tremon | dgeary2: on request of quality assurance team |
| 15:19.54 | Arceye | ok rebooted and I have a single screen back, how do I get real drivers ? |
| 15:19.58 | rozie | abailarri: your key has secure password, right? |
| 15:20.41 | abailarri | rozie, yes a password with 30 characters with uppercase,lowercase, numbers and symbols |
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| 15:20.46 | mumptai | tremon, writing the unmodified image to a cd-r using brasero is "correctly"? |
| 15:20.51 | rozie | abailarri: it looks very secure. and pretty overcomplicated |
| 15:21.26 | rozie | port knocking means you don't need denyhost nor non-standard ssh port |
| 15:21.46 | tremon | mumptai: yes. That comment was more aimed at the writing-to-usb part. There aren't that many ways to burn a cd-r wrongly |
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| 15:22.28 | abailarri | rozie, with port-knoking I don't need to change the default ssh port and apply denyhost? |
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| 15:22.35 | FireTwoOneTwo | hello |
| 15:22.36 | tremon | mumptai: if it fails to boot, md5sum both your .iso and the resulting cdrom, and double-check your bios settings |
| 15:23.05 | FireTwoOneTwo | how can i troubleshoot the problem that mz guests can not ping the host in virtualbox with bridged networking_ |
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| 15:23.36 | DotHack | pvmove moves the allocated extends from a source disk to destination. will the source pv be used again when new extends are needed? |
| 15:24.13 | dgeary2 | abailarri, you can go as simple or as complicated as you like. the risk management decision is yours to make. |
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| 15:24.27 | DotHack | nv i get is it gets allocated when creating the lv not when adding data |
| 15:24.41 | abailarri | rozie, dgeary2 what is better, denyhost + port change, etc. or port-knoking? |
| 15:24.58 | bezaban | abailarri: in addition to the ones you've mentioned you could/should whitelist users allowed to log in by ssh. Either by a group or list of users (ie. if it's only you) |
| 15:25.08 | tremon | DotHack: not automatically. The source PV will remain in the same VG though, so if you manually extend the moved LV or create a new LV, if could be placed on the old PV |
| 15:25.10 | rozie | abailarri: if port knocking is properly configured, you cannot connect to service unless right sequence is send |
| 15:25.15 | mumptai | tremon, thanks. than I'm most likely having some BIOS problems. (its so nasty if one has no second box to try thins on) |
| 15:25.17 | frostschutz | DotHack, pvmove is actually a lvmove |
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| 15:25.52 | frostschutz | DotHack, the extents freed by pvmove can of course be used again by LVs that try to allocate any free PEs |
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| 15:26.02 | abailarri | bezaban, bit if I have dinamic IP in my computer (because my isp provides this) I can't use whitelist |
| 15:26.12 | bezaban | abailarri: whitelist of allowed users, not ip |
| 15:26.20 | abailarri | aaaa |
| 15:26.22 | rozie | I don't really get what why you want change port and use denyhosts too |
| 15:26.28 | abailarri | I have this configurated |
| 15:26.33 | abailarri | only one user can acces ny ssh |
| 15:26.39 | abailarri | and is not root |
| 15:26.40 | DotHack | frostschutz: ok so as long as i dont create or extend lvs my old pv remains unallocated and can be reduce from the vg |
| 15:27.02 | rozie | I have similar connection - dynamic IP, knockd |
| 15:27.18 | bezaban | abailarri: well you're more than well protected then. The next step up would be one time passwords or smart cards |
| 15:27.41 | rozie | can't remember when anyone guessed the sequence and unblocked ssh... |
| 15:27.57 | bezaban | but those require some hardware to make it work |
| 15:28.21 | bezaban | although there are online SMS gateways |
| 15:28.25 | abailarri | rozie, then iits better to use port knoking, no? |
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| 15:28.48 | rozie | abailarri: it's good enough |
| 15:29.32 | rozie | if you really feel better with 10 solutions instead of 1-2 working one... well... |
| 15:29.37 | DotHack | abailarri: yubikeys are cool for authentication |
| 15:29.55 | dgeary2 | note that with port knocking, anyone watching you knock will be able to learn the sequence |
| 15:30.18 | abailarri | dgeary2, whating my personal PC or whating the server? |
| 15:30.41 | dgeary2 | abailarri, anywhere between the client and the server is sufficient |
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| 15:38.40 | ErVito | hi guyz |
| 15:39.03 | bezaban | dgeary2: I guess it does have some merit, although if met with an observant and determined attacker it's only a minor inconvenience |
| 15:39.04 | Arceye | apparently they are already installed |
| 15:39.14 | bezaban | a bit like filtering on MAC |
| 15:39.18 | ErVito | did anyone experience random shutdown with xfce?! |
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| 15:41.29 | dgeary2 | abailarri, if you want to hide from someone doing a port scan of your server that you are running ssh, then implement port knocking for it. otherwise, don't bother. |
| 15:41.36 | DotHack | how does the pvmove work when data is actively being used.. |
| 15:42.03 | Okee | anyone know what folder the evince pdf reader hangs out in? |
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| 15:42.51 | dgeary2 | Okee, 'which evince'? |
| 15:43.16 | Okee | dgeary2> The pdf reader. I just did a whereis at the command line, and it looks like it is in /usr/bin/evince |
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| 15:43.42 | dgeary2 | that'll do. why did you need to know though? |
| 15:43.53 | tremon | DotHack: it uses lv mirroring. It first creates a mirror in the new location, then starts a dm sync between the two subvolumes. Then it removes the old one. If you were to do it manually, you'd use lvconvert -m1 and lvconvert -m0 |
| 15:44.09 | Okee | I am trying to change the default pdf reader for pdf documents downloaded from my online bank statement. |
| 15:44.47 | DotHack | tremon: ah so any updates to data will reside on both disks untill the move is done |
| 15:44.53 | tremon | yes |
| 15:45.02 | DotHack | makes sense :) |
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| 15:45.36 | sors_ | Okee, firefox? |
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| 15:46.15 | Okee | Sors_>ok, thanks. |
| 15:46.19 | dgeary2 | Okee, i don't know how to change the default pdf reader, but i don't think messing with the evince install is correct way to do it. |
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| 15:47.00 | Okee | dgeary2> I am prompted for various download options when downloading the statement from the bank. The popup allows you to set the option. |
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| 15:48.08 | linedash | ooo |
| 15:48.12 | linedash | so ubuntu have gone systemd |
| 15:48.23 | linedash | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 |
| 15:48.24 | tremon | linedash: not here |
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| 15:49.06 | lex|work | not here in the slightest |
| 15:49.23 | dgeary2 | Okee, which web browser are you using? how does it determine which program to launch for a specific file type? |
| 15:49.44 | jhutchins | dgeary2: If you right-click on a PDF, you should have an option to choose what to open it with, and an option to "remember" that choice. |
| 15:50.05 | Okee | dgeary2> I generally use IceWeasel (Firefox for Debian Stable), but the plugin allows many options for downloaded formats. |
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| 15:50.54 | dgeary2 | firefox stores application preferences in: edit -> preferences -> application |
| 15:51.23 | jhutchins | Okee: Scrollback is somewhat confusing, try right-clicking on the PDF in your file browser. |
| 15:51.48 | jhutchins | Okee: I believe KDE has a "program preferences" that may allow you to set the default pdf reader. |
| 15:52.45 | Okee | jhutchins> I don't know what you mean by scrollback. When I select a document to download on the banks website, a popup appears on my screen, asking me which download preference I would like to use. It is highly customizable. |
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| 15:53.43 | dgeary2 | Okee, your original question implied the pdf was already downloaded |
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| 15:54.13 | Okee | dgeary2> No, the pdf was not downloaded, and I was trying to set a different viewer in the download pluging. |
| 15:54.19 | tremon | Okee: have you looked in Iceweasel->Preferences->Preferences->Applications ? |
| 15:55.40 | Okee | tremon> I think we are getting off the subject. I was trying to find evince on my computer, and not look for preference in the browser. I needed to locate the folder on the computer, so that I could set the path in the download options. I was able to do that at the command line by typing whereis evince. |
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| 15:56.29 | Arceye | I have added the firmware none free to repository then opened synaptic package manager, I search in there for firmware and all that is listed is firmware free |
| 15:56.45 | dgeary2 | Okee, in that case it sounds like you have all of the information you need |
| 15:57.00 | tremon | Okee: "I am trying to change the default pdf reader for pdf documents downloaded from my online bank" and "the pdf was not downloaded, and I was trying to set a different viewer" implies you're trying to open a pdf from your browser |
| 15:57.22 | Okee | case closed |
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| 15:58.24 | dgeary2 | Arceye, did you reload the package list? |
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| 16:00.16 | Arceye | reload the package list ?? I guess not and don't know how, I restarted the package manager |
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| 16:01.21 | dgeary2 | Arceye, there is a big button called 'Reload' at the far left, next to the one called 'Mark All Upgrades'. click it. |
| 16:01.31 | Arceye | dgeary got it thanks |
| 16:01.35 | dgeary2 | it downloads the list of packages available |
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| 16:03.10 | dgeary2 | any changes you make to which repositories to install from won't show up until the package lists have been reloaded |
| 16:03.25 | Arceye | ati |
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| 16:03.34 | Arceye | sorry wrong keyboard |
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| 16:07.20 | deepa | How can I figure out what FS a disk/partition has? |
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| 16:09.03 | dgeary2 | deepa, use a partition editor? eg fdisk/cfdisk/parted/gparted/palimpsest or gnome-disks |
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| 16:09.23 | deepa | cheers |
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| 16:10.07 | dgeary2 | or do you suspect that the partition table has the wrong type for a partition? |
| 16:10.37 | deepa | Oh no, it's just that mount -t auto didn't work |
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| 16:15.06 | tremon | deepa: /sbin/blkid |
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| 16:16.52 | galex-713 | Is there any light unix program/emacs extension to manage agenda? I don’t like huge graphical things like Evolution and I’m tired to all write on paper |
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| 16:21.46 | ksk | light+emacs in one sentence!? |
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| 16:22.22 | galex-713 | (light unix program|emacs extension), not (light (unix program|emacs extension)) |
| 16:22.24 | tremon | maybe he means the colourscheme? |
| 16:22.38 | tremon | got it :) |
| 16:22.40 | ksk | "to manage agenda" you mean some organizer thingy? theres a wrapper for vim, let me look up its name |
| 16:23.09 | ksk | galex-713: take a look at "vit" |
| 16:23.11 | tremon | there's org-mode which integrates nice with emacs, however it's a task list first and a calendar second |
| 16:23.26 | ksk | vit is just a tasklist, too. |
| 16:23.40 | ksk | there are no small calcav clients afaik - if thats what you are looking for |
| 16:23.44 | galex-713 | tremon: can it be usefull to remember events? |
| 16:24.00 | tremon | remember yes, remind -- probably not |
| 16:25.25 | galex-713 | Mh… |
| 16:25.31 | anonnumberanon | Hi can I take an installation of something from an OS and install it on another OS? |
| 16:25.36 | galex-713 | And is there something to actually *remind*? |
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| 16:26.52 | tremon | I don't know. There probably is, but I haven't seen it |
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| 16:27.10 | anonnumberanon | Can I ? |
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| 16:28.03 | tremon | galex-713: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/5271 seems to suggest it's possible |
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| 16:31.53 | anonnumberanon | Hi can I take an installation of something from an OS and install it on another OS? |
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| 16:33.45 | tremon | anonnumberanon: no, you cannot copy your microsoft office installation from windows to osx and expect it to work. Do you also have a debian question? |
| 16:34.11 | anonnumberanon | yes, macchanger or any other damn package |
| 16:34.14 | EmleyMoor | anonnumberanon: Normally you can't. What's the scenario? (if tremon is totally wrong) |
| 16:34.15 | anonnumberanon | for that matter |
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| 16:35.13 | anonnumberanon | I'll check the sources.list and see if the source of that package might be included in sources.list. |
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| 16:35.31 | tremon | anonnumberanon: point being, please ask specific questions. My answer fell exactly within the boundary of the question you asked |
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| 16:36.21 | anonnumberanon | If so then that should mean I can take the source and move it to my host that way I can install it from source. I'm just not too sure how to do so. This morning I installed something using make and other commands, not sure if that was installing from source or not. |
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| 16:37.03 | anonnumberanon | no tremon your answer was useless, dishonest, provocative and time-wasting |
| 16:37.09 | tremon | it usually is. But you're still not specific enough to get a useful answer. What source? What program? what os? |
| 16:37.09 | EmleyMoor | anonnumberanon: If it's from source, why not just get the source and do pretty much the same? |
| 16:37.16 | anonnumberanon | You must be stressed out about something., |
| 16:37.21 | anonnumberanon | So I forgive you. |
| 16:37.30 | tremon | have it your way :) |
| 16:37.37 | anonnumberanon | EmleyMoor, yes okay I'll do that. |
| 16:38.00 | dtreize | anonnumberanon: If you used make you used the source yeah. Just copy that source over and compile it on the other system. |
| 16:38.05 | EmleyMoor | We'd need to know the exact scenario to be any more specific |
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| 16:38.43 | dtreize | But if they're different platforms it will most likely not work. |
| 16:38.46 | lecoeus | my sound input and output works fine overall but there is no sound in skype with pulseaudio |
| 16:38.48 | lecoeus | what to do? |
| 16:39.20 | anonnumberanon | No that's enough, I just needed hand-holding, like I said I have done this only a few times before. I'll go and get the source, should it be archived as a gz? |
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| 16:39.55 | dtreize | It's a good way to proceed yeah. |
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| 16:40.29 | jhutchins | Wow, lots of assumptions being made here. |
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| 16:40.50 | anonnumberanon | Scenario though was im in a vm and only the vm had the packages i want and on the host I cannot get those packages from the internet because they are pentest tools so it would be bad to do so. |
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| 16:41.20 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: No idea what a pentest is. |
| 16:41.26 | Arceye | what am I doing wrong ?? I have downloaded the firmware none free and still teh dual screen doesn't work ? |
| 16:41.33 | EmleyMoor | But what OS is on (a) the VM (b) the host? |
| 16:41.37 | anonnumberanon | penetration testing jhutchins |
| 16:41.42 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: In any case: Some software runs "cross platform", which means it can be built for different OSs. |
| 16:41.52 | dtreize | jhutchins: Enlight me please. |
| 16:42.00 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: Other stuff doesn't work on different systems because it's written specifically for one system. |
| 16:42.03 | anonnumberanon | Why assume I am running different OSes though? |
| 16:42.19 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: If you're talking about different versions of linux, the answer is almost alway "yes". |
| 16:42.27 | EmleyMoor | anonnumberanon: Because you said as much and if you are, it makes a difference |
| 16:42.43 | anonnumberanon | I'm running a debian derivative in the vm on a debian host. |
| 16:42.43 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: If you're expanding to other POSIX systems, it may take some work but should still be possible. |
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| 16:43.01 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: OSX is pusing it, but still sort of within the *NIX family. |
| 16:43.18 | EmleyMoor | anonnumberanon: In that case, use the source... it avoids any awkward library differences |
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| 16:43.24 | anonnumberanon | jhutchins, okay, that would be an extreme challenge for me though. |
| 16:43.33 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: Linux and Android have a lot in common, and it's not hard to cross-code. |
| 16:43.51 | anonnumberanon | Android is CoreOS? |
| 16:44.03 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: DOS, Windows, and VMS are pretty distant variants, and raw code, like C or assembler, likely needs extensive rewrites. |
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| 16:45.18 | disposable | how do i set a specific mac address on a bonded interface (active-backup) if 'hwaddress ether' line in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't work? (i'm on wheezy) |
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| 16:45.57 | jhutchins | disposable: "bonded" interface? |
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| 16:47.07 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: You used the phrase "another OS". This does not make the extent of the "otherness" clear. |
| 16:47.40 | anonnumberanon | Lol you have an angle of attack here. |
| 16:47.41 | Arceye | after establishing Ubuntu, Lubuntu and Debian don't work what other distro would be recommended ? |
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| 16:47.46 | anonnumberanon | I'll give you that. |
| 16:47.51 | xmj | Arceye: freebsd. |
| 16:47.57 | xmj | doh, wrong channel |
| 16:48.03 | indomitus | What would cause the Debain installer to appear yellow? |
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| 16:48.31 | anonnumberanon | Oh God, no sources. |
| 16:48.44 | tremon | broken monitor? |
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| 16:49.04 | mtn | jaundice? |
| 16:49.09 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: So we know it's some kind of "penetration testing" software, but we don't know what code, or what the two different OSs are, all of which could help us find an answer for you. |
| 16:49.13 | indomitus | mtn: lol |
| 16:49.22 | jhutchins | indomitus: Loose cable? |
| 16:49.31 | jhutchins | indomitus: Coloring over it with a highlighter? |
| 16:49.46 | indomitus | tremon, jhutchins: not likely, im working with a ppc iMac flat panel |
| 16:50.15 | jhutchins | indomitus: Those do break, and the ribbon cable inside can come loose. |
| 16:50.31 | anonnumberanon | jhutchins, no worries, I am trying to get macchanger and airmon-ng out of Kali to use it on Debian :) |
| 16:50.33 | indomitus | jhutchins: but the color is correct for apple's boot menu |
| 16:50.49 | anonnumberanon | And I just realized I don't have the sources for my packages. |
| 16:51.04 | indomitus | and i recently had gnome running with the colorrect (pixelated) colors |
| 16:51.19 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: Find the project homepages. |
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| 16:51.46 | indomitus | this has happened with the mintppc netinst disc, ubuntu and wheezy multiarch |
| 16:51.48 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: Of they're linux you should be able to use them. You could try copying the binaries, but they might be linked to specific versions of libraries that are different in Debian. |
| 16:51.55 | jhutchins | s/of/if |
| 16:52.01 | anonnumberanon | That's the thing though jhutchins I can't be using the Internet for those purposes. |
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| 16:52.14 | disposable | jhutchins: yes. a bonded interface eth0+eth1=bond0 |
| 16:52.29 | jhutchins | indomitus: That's a bit odd, but probably something you could tweak once you're installed. |
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| 16:54.15 | indomitus | jhutchins: which is proving to be much easier said than done... especiially if i want (which i do) a gui de |
| 16:54.20 | Arceye | <<<------ Downloading freeBSD to see if that works :( 3 distro;s down, lots more to try |
| 16:54.38 | jhutchins | disposable: https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/marcelo/linux-2.4/Documentation/networking/bonding.txt - item 8 (Note that this may be obsolete.) |
| 16:56.41 | disposable | jhutchins: well, my devices are created using the interfaces file. not manually by playing with ifenslave and ifconfig/iproute2. so i'm after the correct debian-way of doing this. |
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| 16:58.45 | sabotender | are there any toshiba software modem drivers available for debian? |
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| 16:59.31 | EmleyMoor | sabotender: There are a few softmodems that can be made to work... you may need to give more details |
| 16:59.36 | jhutchins | disposable: I believe the standard method is to allow the bond interface to determine it's MAC from the hardware (usually of the first NIC). |
| 16:59.51 | sabotender | hmm |
| 17:00.23 | jhutchins | sabotender: What modem? Does it have a PCIID or USBID? |
| 17:00.53 | sabotender | EmleyMoor: HDAUDIO\FUNC_02&VEN_11C1&DEV_1040&SUBSYS_11790001&REV_1002 |
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| 17:01.13 | sabotender | oh, jhutchins ^^ |
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| 17:01.50 | EmleyMoor | http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/11c11040/HOWTO-Agere-11c11040-HDA.html |
| 17:02.12 | \shawn | #debian-next invite only? |
| 17:02.21 | tremon | \shawn: irc.oftc.net |
| 17:02.49 | tremon | #debian-next is not on freenode |
| 17:03.04 | sabotender | EmleyMoor: is that available via git? |
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| 17:03.23 | EmleyMoor | sabotender: Likely not |
| 17:03.30 | sabotender | O_o |
| 17:04.18 | jhutchins | ,pciid 11c1:1040 |
| 17:04.19 | judd | [11c1:1040] is 'Unknown device' from 'LSI Corporation' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11c1:1040 |
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| 17:05.50 | sabotender | i guess 'debian/linux' does not care about modems |
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| 17:06.08 | sabotender | how odd that my sd card reader worked out of the box |
| 17:06.28 | EmleyMoor | sabotender: No, it's the modem manufacturers that don't care |
| 17:06.50 | jhutchins | sabotender: linux works great with real modems. Winmodems require software to emulate the modem, which is not easy to reverse engineer. |
| 17:07.10 | jhutchins | sabotender: The real answer is tha the manufacturer doesn't care about Linux. |
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| 17:08.20 | sabotender | I see. well, at any rate, I guess I will use my modem in windows since there are ready drivers for it |
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| 17:08.36 | sabotender | I was just curious about linux compatibility |
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| 17:09.05 | EmleyMoor | Linux compatibility with softmodems (of *any* brand) is scarce |
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| 17:09.18 | jhutchins | sabotender: There are a few winmodems that are supported, but there are a bunch that aren't. |
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| 17:09.51 | jhutchins | sabotender: You can find USB modems that are well supported. Anything that has a real UART chip should work with Linux. |
| 17:10.21 | Che-Anarch | Hey guys I am having an issue with "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found" trying to execute a python script... in Wheezy 7.3 |
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| 17:10.46 | jhutchins | Che-Anarch: What's the source of the python script? |
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| 17:11.10 | Che-Anarch | jhutchins, you mean the contents of the .py ? |
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| 17:11.22 | jhutchins | Che-Anarch: Where did it come from? |
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| 17:12.44 | Che-Anarch | jhutchins, sorry its a .o file gcc made - its for flashing a hardware |
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| 17:13.42 | tremon | I'm confused. .o files aren't usually python scripts |
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| 17:14.18 | Che-Anarch | tremon, it was my mistake no python... it has some other diagnostics tools in .py thuse my confussion. |
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| 17:14.31 | jhutchins | Che-Anarch: So what you REALLY need is the software to flash whatever device your working on from Debian. |
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| 17:15.00 | Che-Anarch | jhutchins, yes & my need for that dependency / package? |
| 17:15.22 | Che-Anarch | I have libc6-dev but these seems to want a specific version? |
| 17:15.30 | tremon | sadly, glibc 2.14 is simply not in debian stable. You might need to get a different version or recompile it |
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| 17:17.03 | Che-Anarch | tremon, can I link my existing version to it? |
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| 17:18.07 | jhutchins | Che-Anarch: You might be able to get a version of the software that's compatible with older glibc. |
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| 17:18.29 | jhutchins | Che-Anarch: It should be available, there are several major distributions that use older versions. |
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| 17:19.51 | _abc_ | So, debian decided to cease making a *nix compatible system? init->systemd transition? |
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| 17:20.36 | jhutchins | _abc_: No, and off-topic here. |
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| 17:21.16 | _abc_ | I just read about it on heise.de . And how it is off topic please? |
| 17:21.16 | brainm | what is the name of debian package which show known bugs of installed software? |
| 17:21.26 | _abc_ | This channel is #debian, yes? |
| 17:21.35 | jhutchins | _abc_: This is technical support not philosophy. |
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| 17:21.50 | _abc_ | Do you offer technical support in systemd? |
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| 17:21.52 | jelly | _abc_: it's primarily a tech support channel |
| 17:22.24 | jhutchins | _abc_: It's really a discussion for the development mailing lists. |
| 17:22.39 | _abc_ | Do you offer technical support for systemd? |
| 17:22.47 | _abc_ | And transition from init to systemd? |
| 17:22.59 | jelly | _abc_: yes, volunteers here try to support whichever component they have knowledge about |
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| 17:24.28 | jelly | _abc_: this particular change of one default package is only getting to planning stages; here we cater to current release which does not have systemd as default yet |
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| 17:25.29 | val_erie | My iceweasel browser is acting out. I can not open links in a new tab or new window. How can I fix the problem? |
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| 17:25.49 | rubberne_ | I am running Debian wheezy. Installing proftpd-basic from wheezy repository provides version 1.3.4a. I am running into a bug 3743 (http://bugs.proftpd.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3743) that needs to be patched. sftp uploads time out and segfault. Im not sure what to do to apply the patch or how to install a patched version. |
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| 17:25.57 | jhutchins | val_erie: What release? What verision of iceweasel? |
| 17:26.13 | jhutchins | val_erie: Which Desktop? |
| 17:26.47 | jhutchins | ,versions proftpd-basic |
| 17:26.48 | judd | Package: proftpd-basic on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.3a-6squeeze7; squeeze-security: 1.3.3a-6squeeze7; wheezy: 1.3.4a-5+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.3.4a-5+deb7u1; jessie: 1.3.5~rc3-2.2; sid: 1.3.5~rc4-1 |
| 17:26.53 | tremon | brainm: I think you're looking for apt-listbugs |
| 17:26.56 | anonnumberanon | jhutchins, can I add a source in sources.list that points to a directory on my computer? That way I can install what is in that directory with apt-get install package? |
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| 17:28.18 | anonnumberanon | Would apt check that directory and be able to install things from it? treating it as a source? |
| 17:28.48 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: The method I know works is to use dpkg -i <path to file>, then use aptitude -f install to fix any missing dependencies. |
| 17:28.56 | tremon | Che-Anarch: if you have the source for your software, you can probably recompile it and link it with wheezy's libc. Otherwise you need to find a different version, as jhutchins has said |
| 17:29.34 | rubberne_ | judd: Can I install the single package from jessie? |
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| 17:29.53 | anonnumberanon | I don't have a .deb file though I have all the source. |
| 17:30.15 | anonnumberanon | You said your way need to be pointed to a file, but that wouldn't work here. |
| 17:30.17 | brainm | tremon: Thank you! |
| 17:30.46 | val_erie | jhutchins, Debian GNU/Linux 7, Mozilla Iceweasel 24.3.0, toshiba laptop. When I right click on a link, I get a very long list of copy, paste, other instead of shorter version as I had before |
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| 17:31.19 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: In that case, you need to build the software, preferably build it as a .deb package that the system can manage. |
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| 17:31.45 | anonnumberanon | Okay. |
| 17:31.45 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: There is also a system called "stow" that helps manage compiled packages that aren't .debs. |
| 17:32.35 | jhutchins | !tell anonnumberanon about compile |
| 17:32.40 | jhutchins | !tell anonnumberanon about stow |
| 17:32.41 | anonnumberanon | Okay so if I am getting the source from something, I need to build it into .deb, and then I can use dpkg to install the .deb? |
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| 17:32.55 | jhutchins | anonnumberanon: That's the recommended method. |
| 17:32.57 | EmleyMoor | I use xstow for things I need to compile |
| 17:34.34 | jhutchins | val_erie: That sounds like it's not recognizing it as a link. |
| 17:35.13 | val_erie | jhutchins, can I fix it or reinstall it? |
| 17:35.32 | anonnumberanon | Okay I'm lost with all this dpkg instructions |
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| 17:35.41 | jhutchins | val_erie: I don't have any reference for that, I'm still on 6 here. |
| 17:36.54 | jhutchins | val_erie: I suppose you could try reinstalling it. |
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| 17:37.22 | jhutchins | val_erie: I presume you've closed all open windows, maybe logged out and logged back in, maybe even rebooted? |
| 17:37.38 | val_erie | jhutchins, ok, thanks. btw if I just click on link it works, just new tab doesn't |
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| 17:37.52 | heraclitus | will debian squeeze be getting systemd? |
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| 17:38.02 | jhutchins | heraclitus: No. |
| 17:38.19 | heraclitus | good thanks jhutchins |
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| 17:38.20 | heraclitus | :) |
| 17:38.35 | EmleyMoor | Debian squeeze isn't getting anything these days |
| 17:39.43 | nkuttler | hopefully security updates |
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| 17:40.19 | heraclitus | I hope I continue to get updates |
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| 17:40.31 | heraclitus | I just want to stay away from systemd, I don't like it |
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| 17:47.19 | que1 | hey guys, I'm trying to compile gcc 4.2.4 on Wheezy. I'm stucked with this message checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 17:47.19 | que1 | See `config.log' for more details. |
| 17:47.20 | que1 | make[2]: *** [configure-stage2-intl] Error 77 |
| 17:47.20 | que1 | Log is at http://pastebin.com/UtXktXdN |
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| 17:56.25 | tremon | que1: you need to find the stage2-intl configure log. Probably to be found in stage2/libintl/ . I suspect you'll get more response in a gcc channel, seeing as this error is triggered in stage2 and not at the start of the compile |
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| 17:57.29 | tremon | iirc, stage2 is where the env-built compiler is used to compile itself again. So it's not the debian compiler failing, it's the stage1-produced compiler failing |
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| 18:02.50 | ajoul | redshift for some reason doesn't work like I expect it to |
| 18:02.57 | ajoul | I can't make it run on randr mode |
| 18:03.01 | ajoul | can someone help me please? |
| 18:03.33 | jhutchins | heraclitus: You'll continue to get security updates until jessie releases iirc. |
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| 18:03.53 | jhutchins | heraclitus: You won't get new subsystems or packages with new features. |
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| 18:04.10 | jhutchins | heraclitus: That's the point of "stable" - packages don't change. |
| 18:04.21 | ajoul | redshift help anyone? |
| 18:04.48 | que1 | thank you for the information tremon, I suspect this has to do with multiarch, although I'm just guessing as I know near to nothing on this matter. Btw, there's no stage2 log anywhere |
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| 18:07.40 | gnugnu4 | Other question: When I build a jessie package for wheezy (and on a wheezy), could this be considered as a package belonging to the repository 'wheezy-backports'? |
| 18:08.02 | nkuttler | gnugnu4: no, wheezy-backports are official backports |
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| 18:08.50 | gnugnu4 | nkuttler: and if I put it into my private repository? What name should I use for it? |
| 18:09.00 | tremon | que1: without a real error in the logs, I can only guess. And it's been over 5 years since I've last compiled gcc (think 3.3) so I'm not going to be of much help here, I'm afraid |
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| 18:09.11 | nkuttler | gnugnu4: it's up to you |
| 18:09.23 | gnugnu4 | nkuttler: When I rebuild a package for just enabling a feature, I often name it packagename-version+extra-feature (e.g. squid3-version+ssl) |
| 18:09.33 | gnugnu4 | nkuttler: What is recommended? |
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| 18:10.00 | nkuttler | gnugnu4: there is a naming policy, check the polic manual |
| 18:10.25 | ajoul | redshift I need help anyone know how to use the rands mode |
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| 18:12.20 | phox | jhutchins: sadly people think of that as "stable software" |
| 18:12.29 | phox | i.e. doesn't crash/have lots of bugs/... |
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| 18:12.45 | phox | poor choice of naming. not sure what would be better, but it's certainly misleading :) |
| 18:12.54 | sharefree | how is debian more secure than Windows 7 machine ? |
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| 18:13.12 | ajoul | sharefree its not, its so crappy that nobody bothers to hack it... jk |
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| 18:13.37 | sharefree | ajoul, heh .. but seriously how ? I want to know |
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| 18:14.05 | ajoul | It runs opensource code, that is maintained by the community and has been tested throughout for many years |
| 18:14.17 | ajoul | unlike windows which runs code developed with secrecy |
| 18:14.17 | phox | yeah it's not "whatever Microsoft cooked up last week" |
| 18:14.41 | phox | ajoul: and more importantly, much newer code, as well as supporting really stable APIs to coddle retarded developers |
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| 18:15.06 | phox | unlike say Apple (as an example of another commercial OS vendor) who will actively tell devs "no, we're ditching this paleolithic API, get with the times" |
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| 18:16.36 | gnugnu4 | nkuttler: OK, so I would call my private repository simply 'wheezy-backports' as those are backports from jessie to wheezy, and they are custom, non-approved, so they are in the private repository. |
| 18:16.40 | sharefree | ajoul, that is good but how is linux in general more secure than Windows ? |
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| 18:20.27 | tremon | sharefree: this is not the channel, try ##linux |
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| 18:20.41 | bazhang | sharefree, its odd to ask the reverse in the ##windows channel at the same time |
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| 18:21.34 | sharefree | bazhang, oh |
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| 18:21.53 | sharefree | tremon, But i jus asked about security of debian |
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| 18:23.53 | Yukiteru | sharefree: linux is more secure that windows for much |
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| 18:24.51 | sharefree | Yukiteru, oh how ? |
| 18:25.40 | Yukiteru | Google can respond your questions sharefree, don't be lazy |
| 18:26.00 | ectospasm | well, that isn't strictly true since about Win7 |
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| 18:26.23 | ectospasm | but saying "Linux" is a gross overgeneralization |
| 18:26.25 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 18:26.26 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 18:26.52 | Yukiteru | ectospasm: sure...i don't think so |
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| 18:30.55 | morgana__ | Hello guys. My root partition gone full, so to solve it, I moved all root partition content to a new partition, except /boot, which content I moved to old's root partition root. My problem is: even adjusting fstab, generating a new grub.cfg with grub-mkconfig and installing grub at /dev/sda again, grub dont initiate debian. |
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| 18:32.40 | tremon | what error message do you get? |
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| 18:33.31 | morgana__ | good question |
| 18:33.34 | morgana__ | brb |
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| 18:43.53 | J33p | for anyone having nautilus slow upon opening i removed the image manipulator plus the converter extension via synaptic |
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| 19:11.56 | gnugnu4 | test test, can someone read me? :) |
| 19:12.20 | mtn | breaker, breaker; come back |
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| 19:13.14 | jhutchins | Is aptitude reinstall * theoretically possible? |
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| 19:14.03 | tremon | yes, I'd recommend reinstall ~i though |
| 19:14.16 | jhutchins | tremon: FOr what effect? |
| 19:15.08 | tremon | I have actually tried it once, to try to rebuild a system with a badly hosed / disk. I only had recent backups of /var, so I restored the package lists and then let it reinstall all packages |
| 19:15.30 | tremon | you'll run into a lot of preconfiguration loops |
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| 19:17.01 | ruukasu | How can I install this? http://pastebin.com/Ua8jMbpc |
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| 19:17.13 | tremon | jhutchins: what do you mean "for what effect"? did you have a specific goal in mind when you said "reinstall *"? I just asusumed you meant reinstall every installed package, which is what ~i also does |
| 19:17.14 | ruukasu | there's a version in the repos but no candidate? |
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| 19:17.34 | tremon | ruukasu: no version in the repos |
| 19:17.44 | tremon | only a mention of it in your local dpkg/status file |
| 19:17.54 | ruukasu | huh |
| 19:18.07 | ruukasu | is there a way to install it without screwing up my sources.list? |
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| 19:18.26 | tremon | you can install it if you have the original deb |
| 19:18.30 | ruukasu | I'm already intentionally holding back a package on testing because unstable version doesn't work |
| 19:18.39 | ruukasu | no way through apt though? |
| 19:18.42 | tremon | ,v libx264-123 |
| 19:18.43 | judd | Package: libx264-123 on i386 -- wheezy: 2:0.123.2189+git35cf912-1 |
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| 19:19.33 | tremon | ruukasu: ah, the package does not exist in testing. So you upgraded from wheezy and then removed wheezy from your sources. That's why there is only a local reference to it |
| 19:19.46 | ruukasu | ah |
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| 19:20.53 | gnugnu4 | lol |
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| 19:22.08 | tremon | ruukasu: you can either download it manually and hope it doesn't have squeeze-only dependencies, or add a (temporary) wheezy line in your sources. Apt will never downgrade, so that should be relatively harmless |
| 19:22.21 | ruukasu | ok |
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| 19:22.48 | ruukasu | also tremon, there's one package I need to keep at testing, can I tell that one package not to upgrade to unstable somehow? |
| 19:23.39 | tremon | echo "$dpkg hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
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| 19:23.51 | tremon | I meant $pkg hold |
| 19:23.54 | qavap | I have some problems doing this on debian: http://av3ngr.wikispaces.com/Netgear+WNDA3100v2+USB IS there any easy way to get it working here? or am i fuked? |
| 19:23.55 | tremon | !tell ruukasu -about hold |
| 19:24.04 | qavap | I tried to change yum to apt-get but doesnt recognize any of the other parameters |
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| 19:26.01 | mtn | qavap: those instructions are for fedora, not debian. not the same at all. you will have to find another source |
| 19:26.47 | tremon | like the ubuntuforums link at the bottom of the page.. |
| 19:26.54 | tremon | hides |
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| 19:27.42 | qavap | mtn: so there is no equivalent commands for debian? |
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| 19:29.09 | ruukasu | tremon, so now that it's held I can safely update && upgrade && dist-upgrade without those packages upgrading? |
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| 19:31.11 | tremon | theoretically, yes. double-check with dpkg --get-selections|grep hold, and use apt-get not aptitude |
| 19:31.41 | tremon | if you regularly mix them, also run aptitude hold $pkg to make sure aptitude doesn't try to ignore you |
| 19:32.08 | ruukasu | ok, thanks |
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| 19:37.44 | tbx1024 | hi, i'm using SLIM login manager and after logout, it doesnt come up again, just a blank screen. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 19:37.54 | jhutchins | tremon: Is there a way to ignore errors? |
| 19:38.00 | jhutchins | tremon: with aptitude? |
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| 19:38.23 | jhutchins | tremon: like yum can do --ignore-broken and it'll just continue. |
| 19:39.04 | centrx | That sounds...broken |
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| 19:39.18 | centrx | jhutchins, The usual apt-get/dpkg options are --force |
| 19:39.29 | centrx | --force-X |
| 19:39.40 | AmbiguousOutlier | hello, will most common ubuntu command line tools work in debian? |
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| 19:41.00 | tbx1024 | AmbiguousOutlier: probably, Ubuntu is based on Debian, you can still check the repos to make sure |
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| 19:41.13 | tremon | hmm, don't know never tried it. At least you can use the -o dpkg::options with --force-* (e.g. depends), not sure if aptitude allows you to do such stuff |
| 19:41.18 | jhutchins | centrx: Ambigous |
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| 19:41.33 | jhutchins | centrx: Trying to do aptitude reinstall ~i and there's a missing package. |
| 19:41.43 | tremon | jhutchins: are you contemplating breaking or fixing things? |
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| 19:42.02 | jhutchins | tremon: Things are fairly broken. User did a chown -R / |
| 19:42.12 | gnugnu4 | hi again |
| 19:42.16 | centrx | User has root.... |
| 19:42.29 | AmbiguousOutlier | so i can still give ubuntu wiki and install guides a go if i can't find a specific debian one? |
| 19:42.59 | onitaL | Hi, why is libdb-dev:5.1.7 in sid? manually upgrading it will install libdb5.3-dev |
| 19:43.20 | onitaL | why is libdb5.1.7-dev held* |
| 19:43.23 | tbx1024 | AmbiguousOutlier: do you mean an installation guide? installation procedures are different |
| 19:43.52 | centrx | onitaL, There is no package libdb5.1.7-dev in any recent Debian version.... |
| 19:44.13 | gnugnu4 | So I invoke dch --bpo --distribution wheezy-backports and it inserts as changelog text 'Rebuild for squeeze-backports.'. I guess this text was generated by the default assumption of dch that the backport is intended for a release lower than the one it has been invoked on, right? |
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| 19:45.30 | tbx1024 | AmbiguousOutlier: if you mean package installation, the package manager is the same (dpkg) |
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| 19:45.39 | tremon | jhutchins: ooh. that's ugly. I might be tempted to just use aptitude -d, and then run with dpkg -i through the apt local cache |
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| 19:46.04 | AmbiguousOutlier | tbx1024: yeah packages |
| 19:46.11 | onitaL | centrx, interesting, then I'll just upgrade it. I see that db-defaults was last updated Sun, 27 Oct 2013 |
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| 19:46.34 | centrx | onitaL, Use http://packages.debian.org/<package name> |
| 19:47.07 | tbx1024 | AmbiguousOutlier: package versions will be different and some packages won't be available, but aptitude and apt-get are used to install packages in Debian too :) |
| 19:47.41 | tremon | gnugnu4: that seems a logical assumption, yes |
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| 19:48.18 | tbx1024 | so does anyone know about SLIM-related black screen issues? ._. |
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| 19:50.05 | nonconvergent | Hmm, if I'm on a network with a printer share, shouldn't I see it? |
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| 19:52.15 | nonconvergent | I'm hooked up in the office and I setup cups and added my user (and rebooted) to the lpadmin group. |
| 19:52.36 | nonconvergent | But I don't see any network hosted printers. |
| 19:52.54 | tbx1024 | nonconvergent: did you add it? |
| 19:53.06 | gnugnu4 | debian.net websites are currently apparently offline :/ |
| 19:53.35 | nonconvergent | tbx1024: When I go to add it, there's no "Discovered Network Printers" |
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| 19:54.34 | tbx1024 | nonconvergent: hmm. try adding it manually using its adress? |
| 19:54.53 | jhutchins | nonconvergent: How is the printer connected to the network? How is it shared? |
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| 19:55.41 | AmbiguousOutlier | i've just got a flashing cursor on a fresh install and keyboard is not responding |
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| 19:55.56 | jhutchins | gnugnu4: http://www.isup.me/ |
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| 19:56.15 | nonconvergent | jhutchins: Network Printer. Goes straight into the switch in the office. |
| 19:56.21 | tbx1024 | AmbiguousOutlier: try ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 19:56.32 | nonconvergent | tbx1024: dunno it's IP. couldn't find it on the little tiny viewfinder menu. |
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| 19:57.16 | tbx1024 | nonconvergent: run printer config with root? |
| 19:57.26 | AmbiguousOutlier | tbx1024: no response |
| 19:57.42 | gnugnu4 | jhutchins: it is offline for me then, alright |
| 19:57.45 | gnugnu4 | jhutchins: maybe a dns problem |
| 19:57.47 | awwyissssss | Browse to the LAN status page of your router if possible and it should be listed as a client w/ an IP |
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| 19:58.17 | gnugnu4 | OK, I think I found a bug in debchange... |
| 19:58.35 | tbx1024 | AmbiguousOutlier: still same cursor when doing ctrl+alt+f1 or ctrl+alt+f2 ? |
| 19:58.51 | hypathie_ | Bonsoir tout le monde j'aurais une question sur l'installation de plusieurs environnement de bureau sous debian, c'est bien possible de demander ici ? |
| 19:58.57 | gnugnu4 | When I invoke debchange with --bpo, it will always add the entry 'Rebuild for squeeze-backports.' even when a text is already specified: debchange --bpo --distribution wheezy-backports "Rebuild for wheezy-backports." |
| 19:59.21 | gnugnu4 | hypathie_: Bonsoir |
| 19:59.25 | centrx | !fr |
| 19:59.26 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 19:59.29 | awwyissssss | or look at your ARP entries |
| 20:00.02 | hypathie_ | bonsoir gnugnu, c'est anglophone ici, je suis désolée, je suis débutante :D |
| 20:00.07 | gnugnu4 | hypathie_: pour l'installations massives, utilise un proxy comme apt-proxy. |
| 20:00.08 | AmbiguousOutlier | tbx1024: yes, however mobo is issue a beep everytime i press a key, tried ctrl+alt+f1...f12 |
| 20:00.19 | gnugnu4 | hypathie_: je peux parle un peu francais :) |
| 20:00.24 | AmbiguousOutlier | tbx1024: i might try live disk |
| 20:00.29 | hypathie_ | d'accord merci |
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| 20:00.41 | tbx1024 | AmbiguousOutlier: has the system even started? |
| 20:01.18 | tbx1024 | hypathie_ : je parle aussi francais :) |
| 20:01.29 | AmbiguousOutlier | tbx1024: it posted then screen went blank and now cursor |
| 20:01.30 | hypathie_ | I am a beginner :) |
| 20:01.46 | tbx1024 | AmbiguousOutlier: posted? |
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| 20:02.00 | tbx1024 | AmbiguousOUtlier: maybe your bootloader setup isn't working ._. |
| 20:02.25 | hypathie_ | d'accord, j'utilise (bonsoir tbx1024 :) ) |
| 20:02.45 | tbx1024 | :D |
| 20:02.48 | nonconvergent | tbx1024: printer config with root? |
| 20:02.56 | hypathie_ | j'utilise apt-proxy alors ? |
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| 20:03.08 | AmbiguousOutlier | tbx1024: power on self test, shall I reinstall? |
| 20:03.34 | tbx1024 | nonconvergent: i don't remember what the program is called, something like system-printer-config, using root user |
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| 20:04.06 | tbx1024 | hypathie_ : euh j'ai pas suivi D: quel est votre probleme? |
| 20:05.13 | tbx1024 | AmbiguousOutlier: try to boot from install media and run in "Rescue mode", and run a shell and then reinstall your bootloader (for GRUB use grub-install) but BE CAREFUL when doing this ._. |
| 20:06.16 | AmbiguousOutlier | tbx1024: will do, it's a completely new machine so no worries about breaking anything. thanks |
| 20:06.28 | tbx1024 | hypathie_ : vous voulez installer plusieurs environnements de bureau? |
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| 20:06.57 | hypathie_ | I would install sevseveral desktop environment, yes :) |
| 20:07.14 | tbx1024 | AmbiguousOutlier: well if you really don't care, you can also restart the installation but that takes time, maybe it's possible to save your setup from the install CD |
| 20:07.20 | hypathie_ | several sorry |
| 20:07.41 | tbx1024 | hypathie_ : lesquels? |
| 20:07.58 | tbx1024 | hypathie_ : in english actually: which ones? |
| 20:08.30 | nonconvergent | tbx1024: Went to another machine and looked it. Its on 'socket://192.168.33.125:9100' |
| 20:08.36 | hypathie_ | lxde, gnome and xfce |
| 20:08.44 | hypathie_ | :) |
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| 20:09.22 | tbx1024 | nonconvergent: wasnt there an option "add printer using adress" on the left panel? sorry i don't have a working X environment at the moment :( |
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| 20:09.42 | tbx1024 | hypathie_ : you can install them as you would install any other package, using apt-get or aptitude |
| 20:10.16 | tbx1024 | hypathie_ : you often get a choice of which one you would like to run on your desktop manager (login) |
| 20:11.18 | tbx1024 | so asking again: would anyone know how to solve the black screen issue after logout from DE when using SLIM login manager? |
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| 20:12.16 | tbx1024 | when i try to restart it using initscript, it comes up but i cant login anymore |
| 20:12.33 | gnugnu4 | When I add a new commit using dpkg-source --commit and I have changed the debian package by simply copying some script files over from the original project git repository (latest stable release), where do I have to add a reference in the patch file that files from the original git repository were added? |
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| 20:13.26 | hypathie_ | ok, tbx1024 : so it is not necessary I restart the all debian installation :) oufff |
| 20:14.15 | tbx1024 | hypathie_ : no no no! fortunately not :D just use apt-get install <what you want to install> or Synaptic Package Manager if you prefer using a graphical interface |
| 20:15.23 | tbx1024 | hypathie_ : hmm do you use the terminal or do you want to use graphical tools? |
| 20:15.53 | hypathie_ | ok ok thank you veru much, It is easy like you say. ( graphical tools) |
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| 20:16.45 | tbx1024 | hypathie_ : graphical tools: you can open Synaptic and search for your desktop environment, it should come up in the list of available packages :) |
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| 20:17.34 | Imbue | hi; is there a way to search debian cd image mirrors? |
| 20:17.42 | Imbue | i am struggling to find a particular file |
| 20:17.58 | hypathie_ | ok tbx1024, I will byebye :) |
| 20:17.58 | Nik05 | what do you need? |
| 20:18.23 | tbx1024 | hypathie_ : bye, good luck with your installations :) |
| 20:18.27 | Imbue | Nik05: debian-7.4.0-amd64-DVD-7.iso |
| 20:18.37 | Imbue | Nik05: it only seems to be on one mirror and this one is horrendously slow |
| 20:18.45 | Imbue | ~15KB/s |
| 20:19.06 | centrx | Imbue, There are only 3 DVDs..., not 7 |
| 20:19.21 | Imbue | centrx: some mirrors have 10 files! so what are these? |
| 20:19.25 | centrx | CDs |
| 20:19.33 | Imbue | no; there are 10 dvd's, check sha512sums |
| 20:19.57 | Imbue | cdimage.debian.org only has 3 |
| 20:20.16 | Nik05 | so why do you need the DVD? |
| 20:20.17 | Imbue | let me find a mirror |
| 20:20.57 | Imbue | Nik05: I have some issues with net access and sometimes it will be down for days, it would be nice to have reasonably complete local repository for this |
| 20:21.03 | Imbue | if there is a place to pay for DVD 7 I could do that too |
| 20:21.19 | nonconvergent | tbx1024: I added it. I made a test. Still not getting much out of it. |
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| 20:21.39 | Imbue | or if I could create this dvd using jigdo for example |
| 20:21.54 | Nik05 | or use a local repository |
| 20:22.15 | nonconvergent | Huh. |
| 20:22.21 | tbx1024 | nonconvergent: ? isn't it working |
| 20:22.31 | Imbue | here we are: |
| 20:22.32 | Imbue | http://hanzubon.jp/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 20:22.35 | nonconvergent | Now it says completed. After four minutes. And yet I'm looking at this printer and not seeing anything. |
| 20:22.51 | tbx1024 | nonconvergent: D: |
| 20:23.03 | Imbue | most mirrors only have 3, some have 7 or so (with gaps), this mirror is the only cone that appears to be complete (which is why it's so slow, I imagine a lot of people are trying to use it) |
| 20:23.08 | nonconvergent | I know. |
| 20:23.24 | tbx1024 | nonconvergent: how about the drivers? |
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| 20:24.00 | nonconvergent | Brother. It was in the list system-config-printers showed me. gave it the right model and everything |
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| 20:24.17 | Imbue | Nik05: i am unsure what you mean; my local repository will be the dvd set! |
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| 20:24.41 | tbx1024 | nonconvergent: no idea, is CUPS running? ._. |
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| 20:25.15 | nonconvergent | cupsd is running |
| 20:25.33 | tbx1024 | Imbue: DVD is set as repo by debian installer, you can uncomment the CD source and use aptitude to search it, i think |
| 20:26.02 | Imbue | tbx1024: yes, I understand this process :) |
| 20:26.10 | Imbue | tbx1024: just trying to find a source for one of the discs.. |
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| 20:26.39 | tbx1024 | nonconvergent: no idea, you'll have to ask someone more qualified ._. |
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| 20:27.01 | Nik05 | Imbue i mean setup a system that has all packages |
| 20:27.04 | Imbue | i mean, i can always wait 2.5 days for this iso, but i would like to avoid adding more traffic to this server if there is a way to avoid it :P |
| 20:27.09 | Imbue | Nik05: ah, I see |
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| 20:28.03 | tbx1024 | Imbue: so you do NOT want to use the CD? i'm not sure if i understood your question D: |
| 20:28.14 | Imbue | tbx1024: I can't find a source for DVD7 of amd64 |
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| 20:28.26 | Imbue | tbx1024: apart from one mirror that is struggling |
| 20:28.35 | Th0masR0ss | hi, I can install debian from the live cd images (http://www.debian.org/CD/live/) correct? |
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| 20:29.03 | tbx1024 | Imbue: ah! well i don't know about the mirrors, but all debian mirrors should be the same |
| 20:29.20 | Imbue | tbx1024: yes, this is my worry.. i'm a bit confused as to why the primary mirror has less available |
| 20:29.31 | nonconvergent | tbx1024: got it |
| 20:29.39 | Th0masR0ss | actually |
| 20:29.40 | Nik05 | Imbue like with the package debmirror |
| 20:29.40 | nonconvergent | apparently it had to sit an think about it for a while. |
| 20:29.54 | Nik05 | Imbue: you can probably find enough information on the net |
| 20:29.55 | Th0masR0ss | the "Official torrents for the stable release CD" can be used as live cds, right? |
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| 20:30.06 | tbx1024 | nonconvergent: oh well. |
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| 20:30.44 | tbx1024 | Imbue: all repositories should be the same i think, so a bigger number of DVDs is suspicious to me ._. |
| 20:31.10 | Imbue | tbx1024: yes. I have a way to check, I will post when I find it. |
| 20:31.23 | tbx1024 | Imbue: i thought you would need max 4DVDs for a full install |
| 20:31.31 | tbx1024 | Imbue: not 7 D: |
| 20:31.50 | Imbue | tbx1024: well I can see 10! so i'm wondering if this includes nonfree or something |
| 20:32.05 | tbx1024 | Imbue: very strange |
| 20:32.36 | Imbue | yes, here we go |
| 20:32.38 | Imbue | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/iso-dvd/SHA256SUMS |
| 20:32.48 | tbx1024 | Imbue: i'm far from being an expert, so that may be actually normal, but it just sounds suspicious to me :/ |
| 20:32.51 | Imbue | primary mirror; check the file and you will see 10 DVD images |
| 20:33.00 | Imbue | however the primary mirror (and many mirrors) itself only holds 3 DVDs |
| 20:33.02 | Th0masR0ss | anyone? |
| 20:33.10 | tbx1024 | Imbue: ill check, brb in a few minutes ( i have no X environment) |
| 20:33.15 | Imbue | a few have 7-8 (and miss out stuff like DVD-7, lol) |
| 20:33.57 | Imbue | i have checked the files I downloaded against signed SHA512SUMS from the primary mirror and they check out fine, so i'm not too worried about malicious images, it just strikes me as odd that some of them arbitrarily have more |
| 20:34.10 | Imbue | to me 15GB for the entire repository would be far too small |
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| 20:35.13 | tbx1024 | Imbue: 10 DVDs! O.O |
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| 20:35.38 | Imbue | tbx1024: I dunno.. this is the entire wheezy repository, is it surprising? |
| 20:35.45 | tbx1024 | Imbue: i always use netinstall so i didn't know about that :/ |
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| 20:36.35 | tbx1024 | Imbue: if that's the official repo, then it must be right ._. can't you use an online repo instead of DVDs? |
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| 20:37.16 | jelly-hme | !ping |
| 20:37.16 | dpkg | Sorry jelly-hme, you're not online. |
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| 20:37.23 | Imbue | tbx1024: as explained earlier, my net access is very intermittent and sometimes quite slow, i could set up an offline repository as Nik05 says, but I now have 9 of the 10 DVD's |
| 20:37.35 | tbx1024 | Imbue: ooh ok |
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| 20:37.54 | tbx1024 | Imbue: ghost DVD ._. |
| 20:38.13 | Imbue | tbx1024: i have a mirror but the ETA is 2.5 days lol |
| 20:38.26 | Imbue | i feel sorry for the website operator, i am worried that I am killing the mirror for others |
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| 20:38.43 | Imbue | but there seems to be no way to search other mirrors besides just clicking on them all |
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| 20:40.18 | Jef91 | I've just installed pulseaudio on Jessie and when I run "pulseaudio -D" it tells me the damon startup failed. Any idea how I can debug what might be wrong? |
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| 20:41.14 | Th0masR0ss | Jef91: try #debian-next on oftc |
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| 20:41.39 | tbx1024 | Imbue: i only see 3 DVD .isos on the mirror |
| 20:41.43 | tremon | Jef91: I'd start with pulseaudio -D -vvv |
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| 20:42.00 | Imbue | tbx1024: on cdimage, yes, try this one |
| 20:42.06 | Imbue | http://hanzubon.jp/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 20:42.43 | Jef91 | Th0masR0ss, debian-next tells me it is invite only |
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| 20:42.55 | Jef91 | same output tremon |
| 20:43.23 | nonconvergent | Jef91: You have to register your nick and authenticate to get it. |
| 20:43.36 | tremon | or rather, /msg dpkg debian-next |
| 20:43.37 | nonconvergent | s/it/in/ |
| 20:43.41 | Jef91 | nonconvergent, I am logged in already |
| 20:43.49 | tbx1024 | Imbue: well i have no idea. it's strange that it contains more DVDs |
| 20:43.51 | nonconvergent | Jef91: not on oftc.net you're not. |
| 20:44.06 | Imbue | tbx1024: the primary mirror's 'sha256sums' file contains hashes for those dvd's |
| 20:44.21 | Imbue | so they certainly appear to exist and are legitimate, maybe some mirrors just don't have the HDD space |
| 20:44.28 | nonconvergent | oftc and freenode are seperate networks. |
| 20:44.38 | udoprog4 | does anyone know what software is it that runs the package indexing site on packages.debian.org? Considering setting one up for an internal repo. |
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| 20:44.50 | nonconvergent | You might also be on irc.debian.net where the same applies. |
| 20:45.05 | tbx1024 | Imbue: maybe. i really give up on this one xD you are probably right about the HDD space |
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| 20:45.14 | Imbue | tbx: on the main site 'note that many sites do not mirror the full set of images (especially the DVD images) due to its size.' |
| 20:45.23 | Imbue | which is fine, but finding out which ones do is frustrating :P\ |
| 20:45.29 | tremon | udoprog4: it's dak, the debian archive kit. However it's not available as a package |
| 20:45.53 | udoprog | tremon: thanks! |
| 20:46.00 | tbx1024 | Imbue: oooooooh i get it, so you want to find a way to find a mirror which has ALL the images? |
| 20:46.01 | tremon | !tell udoprog -about reprepro |
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| 20:46.21 | Imbue | tbx1024: indeed. or more specifically, the one I want (i don't care if they lack dvd-5 if they have dvd-7, for example) |
| 20:46.52 | udoprog | tremon: does reprepro include a searchable web ui? |
| 20:47.06 | tbx1024 | Imbue: in which country are you? |
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| 20:47.58 | Imbue | tbx1024: i am mobile which is the issue :P |
| 20:48.06 | tremon | udoprog: don't know |
| 20:48.18 | tbx1024 | Imbue: they suggest using big repos which are ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org |
| 20:48.24 | Imbue | tbx1024: i think i will just wait for the file from the slow mirror, no need to spend too much time messing around with this |
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| 20:49.04 | jhutchins | Imbue: You really don't need all that. |
| 20:49.33 | tbx1024 | Imbue: wait these are repos not DVD mirros D: |
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| 20:50.15 | jhutchins | Imbue: The reason there are 10 DVDs is because they contain multiple translations and architectures, and cover some 30,000 packages, most of which you will never need. |
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| 20:50.47 | tbx1024 | Imbue: have you tried "jigdo" download? |
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| 20:51.05 | Imbue | jhutchins: yes, i understand this, but i can't see a way to avoid the issue that I will need a package that is not available, if you understand |
| 20:51.19 | Imbue | jhutchins: surely the amd64 dvd's only contain packages for that architecture, though? |
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| 21:06.07 | phunyguy | Hey folks, I am on Wheezy and I have a quick question. Is it possible to have two DNS server entries, and have the system query both when making a request, to see which one responds? Example, I have my work network here, with its own DNS, and I VPN to home. I would like it to query home for an address first, then if not found, query my work DNS. Is this possible? |
| 21:07.18 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: yes, but that's generally not the way you want things to be set up |
| 21:07.27 | phunyguy | dondelelcaro: I am open to suggestions./ |
| 21:07.32 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: if a nameserver is listed first, normally it will be the first one queried |
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| 21:08.04 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: however, what you really should do is have your home DNS server set up to handle both its addresses, and querying your work addresses |
| 21:08.26 | phunyguy | you mean have work DNS be upstream to my home DNS? |
| 21:08.29 | phunyguy | not possible. |
| 21:09.21 | phunyguy | also, I have in /etc/resolv.conf, my home dns listed first, then work. I try to nslookup something, and it fails right away without trying work DNS. |
| 21:09.54 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: it's totally possible to have your home DNS delegate whatever private zone your work is using. |
| 21:10.06 | phunyguy | how? |
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| 21:11.05 | phunyguy | I was thinking of maybe using dnsmasq on my work PC to achieve a similar approach, locally. |
| 21:11.30 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: first off, are the work zones that you want to resolve publicly resolvable? are the in a subdomain? |
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| 21:11.37 | phunyguy | and it integrates with NetworkManager, although I still can't get it to work correctly. |
| 21:11.51 | phunyguy | dondelelcaro: no, it is all private DNS |
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| 21:12.23 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: is it an existing TLD? or is it a private TLD? |
| 21:12.29 | phunyguy | all private. |
| 21:12.36 | phunyguy | this domain is not available publicly. |
| 21:12.53 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: then just set up a delegation record in bind which delegates that entire TLD to the appropriate DNS server |
| 21:13.14 | phunyguy | I am not using bind... |
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| 21:13.38 | phunyguy | can I accomplish the same locally? I was hoping to come up with a way that this would work anywhere I go. |
| 21:13.51 | dondelelcaro | you can run bind locally |
| 21:14.04 | phunyguy | right, that was my idea, but with dnsmasq |
| 21:14.20 | dondelelcaro | dnsmasq will probably only do it if you have a hosts file |
| 21:14.32 | phunyguy | ponders |
| 21:14.35 | dondelelcaro | so you could use your work's dns servers for everything, except for the few domains you have in a hosts file |
| 21:14.50 | dondelelcaro | and you'd just have a single localhost entry in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:15.14 | phunyguy | see the idea is, anywhere I go, it would auto-connect to home VPN, and pull in a DNS server. Make all requests to that, and if not found, query the DNS server that DHCP gave me. |
| 21:15.37 | phunyguy | make sense? |
| 21:15.56 | phunyguy | or does that sound like a load of impossible crud? |
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| 21:16.25 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: why bother doing that? if you're going to query your home vpn server, just have it do everything |
| 21:16.45 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: I personally have my VPN server listed first, which handles resolving everything |
| 21:16.52 | phunyguy | dondelelcaro: it currently is, but I can't locally resolve stuff on the work network |
| 21:17.11 | dondelelcaro | well, you'll have to have a single DNS server somewhere which knows how to resolve stuff |
| 21:17.17 | phunyguy | even though the work addresses are listed, it never tries when my home dns says "NOT FOUND" |
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| 21:17.36 | phunyguy | I thought dnsmasq was what would achieve it. |
| 21:17.39 | dondelelcaro | right, the fall over only happens if the DNS server doesn't respond, not if it responds with not found |
| 21:17.42 | dondelelcaro | no |
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| 21:17.46 | dondelelcaro | you'd have to have a delegation or similar |
| 21:17.47 | phunyguy | oh. |
| 21:18.07 | phunyguy | there has to be a way. This seems like it would be a common thing |
| 21:18.08 | dondelelcaro | (this is actually why I tend to have all of my networks publicly resolvable) |
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| 21:18.21 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: yes, the way is to do delegations in a single working nameserver which you have locally |
| 21:18.35 | phunyguy | yeah. |
| 21:18.47 | phunyguy | but I would have to know ahead of time the servers I am working with, right? |
| 21:18.50 | dondelelcaro | you can do that using bind, and you may be able to do it using dnsmasq, but I don't know about that |
| 21:19.03 | phunyguy | like I can't make it a fully automatic process. |
| 21:19.24 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: you can make it completely automatic... because once you have a working dns server locally, you don't care what dns servers dhcp gives you |
| 21:19.52 | phunyguy | cries |
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| 21:19.58 | phunyguy | I thought that was what dnsmasq did. |
| 21:20.00 | phunyguy | :( |
| 21:20.06 | phunyguy | my brain hurts. |
| 21:20.18 | phunyguy | but I get what you are saying |
| 21:20.22 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: dnsmasq is just a caching dnsserver which additionally resolves things in /etc/hosts |
| 21:20.34 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: as far as I know, it doesn't do delegation, or anything else fancy |
| 21:20.41 | Mawkee | Hello there, good Debianers! I'm using Debian Wheezy on a server, and I noticed that /lib/modules/kernel-version/build points to /usr/src/kernel-version-amd64, while the files I need are on /usr/src/kernel-version-common. Is this expected behavior, or I did something wrong? The version I tested was 3.2.0 (from the debian default repository) |
| 21:20.41 | phunyguy | do you think this would be pretty easy to do with bind? |
| 21:20.53 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: probably not easy, but possible. |
| 21:21.00 | phunyguy | ugh... |
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| 21:22.18 | kruug | is there a place to check supported graphics cards? |
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| 21:22.52 | kruug | specifically, the Radeon HD 8570D |
| 21:23.17 | phunyguy | dondelelcaro: you have given me some good ideas to consider this weekend. Thank you. |
| 21:23.23 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: no problem; good luck! |
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| 21:24.43 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: actually, I'm rereading dnsmasq's manpage |
| 21:24.53 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: upon reading it, I think that the -S option will do what you want |
| 21:25.06 | phunyguy | googles |
| 21:25.45 | tremon | kruug: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/ is usually a good start, but it doesn't appear to be updated for the 8000 series |
| 21:25.57 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: something like dnsmasq --server=/internal.example.com/10.0.0.53 --server=/mynet.local/192.168.0.1; or similar should do it |
| 21:26.09 | phunyguy | hmmm |
| 21:26.12 | phunyguy | ponders |
| 21:26.34 | phunyguy | so the next question is... what about just hostname queries... using a suffix search list |
| 21:26.35 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: so you change /etc/default/dnsmasq to start with those options, and it'd still forward to whatever was given in /etc/resolv.conf for everything else |
| 21:26.51 | kruug | tremon: yeah, I saw that one, and as far as I can tell, it would fall under the R200 series, but it would be nice to know for sure... |
| 21:27.08 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: that will resolve everything under internal.example.com via 10.0.0.53 (so for example, a.internal.example.com, etc.) |
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| 21:27.23 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: your zones basically have to satisfy that, or bind wouldn't work eitehr |
| 21:27.36 | tremon | kruug: btw amd has pulled an nvidia here, if you have an OEM machine (dell, hp) vs a discrete graphics card, there's a good chance your 85xx card is actually just a 7000 series gpu |
| 21:27.37 | phunyguy | like if I say `ping server123`, will it know to put mydomain.com on the end and query that DNS server? |
| 21:27.37 | dondelelcaro | (and it would be pretty silly not to have it set up that way) |
| 21:27.42 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: no |
| 21:27.47 | phunyguy | poo. |
| 21:27.53 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: unless you have that listed in the search results |
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| 21:28.03 | dondelelcaro | (which is why you don't use ping server123..) |
| 21:28.06 | kruug | tremon: really? |
| 21:28.14 | kruug | this is an HP with on-board GPU |
| 21:28.16 | kruug | AFAIK |
| 21:28.20 | phunyguy | dondelelcaro: yeah, unfortunately, the domain is long and tedious to type. |
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| 21:29.05 | tremon | kruug: it's very unlikely that it's the R200 series, unless that machine is 10 years old (?) |
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| 21:30.07 | kruug | tremon: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Installing_proprietary_firmware |
| 21:30.10 | kruug | I was going off of that |
| 21:30.16 | kruug | Radeon R200 (8500 — 9200, 9250) |
| 21:30.37 | tremon | kruug: there's a huge difference (say, 15 years) between the 8000 series and the HD8000 series |
| 21:30.47 | kruug | gotcha |
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| 21:31.03 | kruug | didn't know that list was non-HD |
| 21:31.12 | kruug | except for the R600 |
| 21:31.17 | tremon | yeah, I'm old :p |
| 21:32.02 | kruug | tremon: can't be that old |
| 21:32.40 | tremon | My guess is that anything newer than hd6000 series is not supported by default in wheezy, you will probably need both xorg and the kernel from backports |
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| 21:33.42 | tremon | oh, didn't need to guess. That wiki page says up to HD69XX explicitly. |
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| 21:33.58 | kruug | tremon: what about Jessie? |
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| 21:34.42 | tremon | I'm running jessie myself with an HD7000 series apu, works fine |
| 21:34.49 | Sonderblade | is there any documentation somewhere on how the debian/rules file should look like if you use a build system other than autotools? |
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| 21:35.46 | tremon | kruug: be aware that you /will/ need to install firmware-linux-nonfree or you won't get anything on the screen at all. With older cards, you could get basic 2d working without firmware, but no longer |
| 21:36.25 | tremon | Sonderblade: that's probably best asked on #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 21:36.30 | phunyguy | dondelelcaro: this isn't going to work :( |
| 21:36.46 | kruug | tremon: still get CLI though, yes? |
| 21:37.28 | phunyguy | WAIT |
| 21:37.31 | phunyguy | I think it worked. |
| 21:37.41 | tremon | I'm not sure. things seem to be degrading every few hardware releases. Wouldn't surprise me if you got nothing at all (it would sadden me though) |
| 21:37.57 | kruug | yeah, that seems counter-intuitive |
| 21:38.11 | kruug | let's force a user to install drivers before they can see what they are doing... |
| 21:38.21 | kruug | a basic driver should be a staple to every distro |
| 21:38.39 | phunyguy | dondelelcaro: this is working.............. |
| 21:38.58 | tremon | the driver is provided by default, however the required firmware doesn't have a free license so is relegated to non-free |
| 21:39.06 | tremon | which isn't enabled by default |
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| 21:39.38 | phunyguy | dondelelcaro: thank you for pointing me in that direction. This works flawlessly. |
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| 21:40.21 | phunyguy | dondelelcaro: it's not automatic, but is an easy change when I need it. |
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| 21:41.49 | Linnak | Hi, Can someone help me? I have no sound on my system. |
| 21:42.16 | Linnak | I started jack and from that moment there's no sound |
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| 21:53.00 | bvk | hi anybody has experience with programming seagate self-encrypting-drives ? |
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| 22:04.08 | jhutchins | bvk: Interesting question. |
| 22:05.07 | bvk | jhutchins: any pointers are greatly appreciated :) |
| 22:05.15 | crane | i formated just a new disk with gpt parted /dev/sdh; mklabel gpt; mkpart 0% 100% ext4 => everything went fine but i can't mount the device bad geometry: block count 122096390 exceeds size of device (122096384 blocks) |
| 22:05.16 | crane | wtf?! |
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| 22:06.38 | jhutchins | bvk: What do you want to do with it? |
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| 22:08.17 | bvk | jhutchins: i want to enable on disk encryption as per the TCG Storage specs. |
| 22:09.25 | bvk | jhutchins: it seems linux doesn't support TCG stroage protocol, so i wrote a user space tool to talk TCG storage protocol to the self-encrypting-drives using sg_raw command. |
| 22:09.29 | jhutchins | bvk: I believe it requires BIOS support. |
| 22:09.49 | jhutchins | bvk: Actually, it's very commmon for linux to be the PXE on the drive. |
| 22:10.08 | acerspyro | Phew, back from a long day of school. |
| 22:10.12 | bvk | jhutchins: i was able to configure (password, secure-erase, etc.) HGST drives, but the same the same commands are not working with SEAGATE drives. |
| 22:10.46 | bvk | jhutchins: No, BIOS support is optional. |
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| 22:11.13 | bvk | jhutchins: user space tools should be able to manage the self-encrypting-drives. |
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| 22:12.02 | jhutchins | bvk: I believe this may be in process, but I don't believe it's reached distribution level yet. |
| 22:13.26 | acerspyro | Does "unstable" mean "Latest software" or "I will crash in your face at any moment"? |
| 22:13.50 | xand | acerspyro: yes. |
| 22:14.05 | xand | both |
| 22:14.08 | thanosme__ | acerspyro, both |
| 22:14.14 | acerspyro | xand: Segmentation fault! Expected string litteral, got boolean value! |
| 22:14.17 | jhutchins | bvk: I think, though, the answer to your question is "yes, you, and anybody else appears to be asleep". |
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| 22:14.39 | acerspyro | Is KDE 4.12.2 unstable? |
| 22:14.44 | jhutchins | acerspyro: Not quite "latest" either, and doesn't have security support. |
| 22:14.45 | acerspyro | I find it pretty stable. |
| 22:15.12 | jhutchins | ,v kde-base |
| 22:15.13 | judd | No package named 'kde-base' was found in i386. |
| 22:15.19 | acerspyro | lul |
| 22:15.28 | acerspyro | ,v kdebase4 |
| 22:15.29 | judd | No package named 'kdebase4' was found in i386. |
| 22:15.32 | bvk | jhutchins: hahaha |
| 22:15.34 | acerspyro | ,v kde4-base |
| 22:15.36 | judd | No package named 'kde4-base' was found in i386. |
| 22:15.45 | acerspyro | ,v kdebase |
| 22:15.46 | judd | Package: kdebase on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66 |
| 22:15.51 | acerspyro | aah |
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| 22:16.02 | acerspyro | Very descriptive of you, judd |
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| 22:16.09 | jhutchins | Sometime's it works great. |
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| 22:16.35 | centrx | KDE has a weird package structure in Debian apparently |
| 22:16.55 | acerspyro | centrx: I'm stuck with KDE 4.8 on my iMac G3, oddly |
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| 22:18.23 | Che-Anarch | Hey guys I'm having a network issue after cloning 1 of my setups... |
| 22:19.30 | Che-Anarch | I've changed /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistant-net.rules - I just renamed it to .old and it autogenrated it again - but I am not getting net - |
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| 22:19.44 | Che-Anarch | Can any1 advise anything I might have missed? |
| 22:20.03 | acerspyro | Che-Anarch: you are way too vague. |
| 22:20.16 | Che-Anarch | acerspyro I have a static IP setup... I cloned a working machine... |
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| 22:20.57 | Che-Anarch | acerspyro I get status ifup / ifdown on eth0 - & I changed my IP for specific unit.. however I cant ping even local gatewat |
| 22:21.00 | Che-Anarch | gateway* |
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| 22:21.38 | Che-Anarch | I am not using gnome networking deamon or anything. |
| 22:22.07 | acerspyro | I have never cloned a system before, so I cannot help you. Nor have I played with NetworkManager's internals. |
| 22:23.10 | acerspyro | Guys, is it sid or jessie that has the latest packages, without being bleeding-edge |
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| 22:24.26 | centrx | acerspyro, Packages are migrated from sid/unstable to jessie/testing after certain criteria have been met. |
| 22:24.27 | dondelelcaro | acerspyro: jessie is testing, and sid is unstable. Packages go first to unstable, and then propogate to testing |
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| 22:24.35 | dondelelcaro | phunyguy: glad that it's working for you |
| 22:25.02 | acerspyro | centrx: kk |
| 22:25.19 | acerspyro | Because Stable has VERY outdated packages... |
| 22:25.31 | acerspyro | Red Eclipse 1.2 was like a year ago |
| 22:25.53 | linuxbro | if I update to debian testing jessie how will it affect my already installed packages? |
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| 22:26.17 | acerspyro | linuxbro: you will see updates for them |
| 22:26.20 | acerspyro | That's about it |
| 22:26.54 | linuxbro | and If I have many many different configuration files will they still work for example dwm and zsh |
| 22:26.58 | jhutchins | acerspyro: wheezy |
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| 22:27.14 | acerspyro | jhutchins: I know |
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| 22:27.35 | jhutchins | linuxbro: You will also loose security support, and if a package breaks something you will have to wait for it to be fixed. |
| 22:27.40 | centrx | linuxbro, Yes, the configurations would be upgraded if necessary by the installer in most cases |
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| 22:27.58 | jhutchins | linuxbro: I don't think I ever waited more than about three months. |
| 22:28.26 | entity | hello, i ahve this problem where i have to restart my pc after getting messages "kernel:[ 1441.749742] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s! [Xorg:2672]" |
| 22:28.28 | linuxbro | I've been using wheezy for a while now but I am just so tired of ancient packages |
| 22:28.43 | entity | that's fine, but after restart, i can't ssh into the (headless) pc |
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| 22:28.59 | entity | when i do a reset, all boots up as exected though |
| 22:29.05 | entity | what could be causing this? |
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| 22:29.18 | entity | this debian jessie, if that's important |
| 22:30.32 | centrx | entity, Almost sounds like a hardware problem... |
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| 22:30.50 | linuxbro | how unstable is debian jessie? |
| 22:31.14 | acerspyro | linuxbro: you are asking the same question as I |
| 22:31.16 | entity | the cpu freeze is due to opencl running on a cpu, it's not intended, only happens when gpu opencl compute is running on fails |
| 22:31.27 | entity | linuxbro: pretty stable i'd say |
| 22:31.34 | entity | more stable than arch for sure |
| 22:31.35 | acerspyro | I mean, how latest is it, compared to other distros, such as SuSE's repos |
| 22:31.48 | acerspyro | entity: I know, Arch is very unstable |
| 22:31.55 | acerspyro | But my kernel is... 3.2? Really? |
| 22:32.09 | linuxbro | @entity I think I'm going to finally update then |
| 22:32.11 | entity | centrx: this is a completely new rig |
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| 22:32.39 | acerspyro | I just added the jessie repos, and RE 1.4 seems to be downloading |
| 22:32.43 | entity | linuxbro: i'm using debian testing both on my laptop and mining rig, can't really complain |
| 22:32.48 | acerspyro | linuxbro: dis ain't no twitter, brah |
| 22:33.45 | linuxbro | lol I don't use twitter I never use irc though this is my first time on this support channel usually just go on forums |
| 22:34.01 | acerspyro | linuxbro: just begin typing our names, then press TAB |
| 22:34.08 | acerspyro | It will auto-complete |
| 22:34.19 | linuxbro | acerspyro: thanks |
| 22:34.29 | acerspyro | np |
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| 22:36.15 | entity | centrx: is it possible it checks integrity of hdd before booting? |
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| 22:36.48 | entity | i know, i should just attach a monitor and watch what's happening, but i don't have the rig at home and can't do that |
| 22:36.49 | centrx | entity, The filesystem integrity is checked at every boot |
| 22:37.01 | centrx | entity, A "quick" check |
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| 22:38.09 | entity | hmm... strange, i don't think i can access the boot log, can i? |
| 22:38.12 | entity | only the last one |
| 22:38.33 | entity | there isn't like a history of boot logs, is there |
| 22:39.05 | centrx | entity, Use memtest to check for RAM errors. Use fsck to check the hard drive. |
| 22:39.08 | centrx | entity, I would be in /var/log |
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| 22:40.21 | entity | centrx: but the logs get overwritten after the next succesfull boot, don't they? |
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| 22:40.37 | entity | it won't boot, a dude manually restes it, bang it boots up |
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| 22:40.45 | entity | resets it* |
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| 22:41.08 | centrx | entity, The logs are rotated, so you have, e.g., files for: dmesg, dmesg.0, dmesg.1.gz, dmesg.2.gz, etc. |
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| 22:41.49 | entity | uhh |
| 22:41.54 | entity | i'll post this to pastebin |
| 22:42.00 | acerspyro | pastie* |
| 22:42.09 | acerspyro | or paste.debian.org |
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| 22:44.35 | linuxbro | well thanks guys updating to jessie I'll be sure to use this channel again |
| 22:44.47 | centrx | You are welcome |
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| 22:44.54 | entity | i uploaded it to a server |
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| 22:44.57 | entity | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~xkrupick/misc/logdeb.html |
| 22:44.59 | entity | wtf? |
| 22:45.22 | entity | that's the from when i wouldn't boot up |
| 22:45.26 | entity | it* |
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| 22:46.03 | centrx | What is it |
| 22:46.10 | entity | i don't kniw |
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| 22:46.11 | entity | know |
| 22:46.14 | centrx | Where did you get it from |
| 22:46.19 | entity | i did *not* screw up encoding |
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| 22:46.38 | entity | damn |
| 22:46.44 | entity | cat dmesg.1.gz > /home/drone/log |
| 22:46.49 | entity | that's how i got that log |
| 22:46.59 | centrx | That is a compressed file |
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| 22:47.14 | entity | this is how it shows up in terminal |
| 22:47.21 | entity | when i do cat dmesg.1.gz |
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| 22:47.28 | entity | i can take a screen |
| 22:47.44 | centrx | What happens when you run cat starcraft.exe |
| 22:47.55 | centrx | Does it run the executable? |
| 22:47.59 | centrx | Or does it just show a bunch of gibberish |
| 22:48.05 | entity | oh |
| 22:48.05 | centrx | It is a compressed file, use zcat |
| 22:50.16 | entity | which one is the one before the last one though? they all seem fairly alike, no long hangings |
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| 22:52.53 | adah | Can someone say in three words or less why Debian is better than any other *nix distro? |
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| 22:53.08 | entity | http://paste.debian.net/82140/ |
| 22:53.20 | entity | this should be the one, i can't see anything out of the orinary |
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| 22:53.41 | sabotender | hmm unknown file type 'exfat'? I thought linux can read that format? |
| 22:54.27 | acerspyro | sabotender: Don't think that Linux is chuck norris |
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| 22:54.47 | sabotender | chuckles |
| 22:54.55 | acerspyro | But mountfs might simply needs you to install an additional library. |
| 22:55.51 | sabotender | really? hmm |
| 22:56.08 | acerspyro | A Google should give you the answer |
| 22:57.07 | acerspyro | Anyone here got to use the GeForce 8600 GT with the open drivers? |
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| 23:04.04 | Che-Anarch | Is there anyway for me to have GLIBC_2.14 in a veritaul enviroment? - I need this for a precompiled .o file that I am trying to run |
| 23:04.16 | acerspyro | veritaul? |
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| 23:05.26 | Che-Anarch | acerspyro yes like a virtual enviroment with specific gcc & glibc versions... I tried adding sid to my .sources & doing apt-get update && upgrade but that messed up my system completely |
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| 23:06.22 | Che-Anarch | I am basically trying everything to get a single flash firmware update executable working... but I dont want to resort to Ububntu for that |
| 23:07.06 | tremon | you could set up a jessie chroot with debootstrap and run it from there |
| 23:07.44 | Che-Anarch | tremon can you recommend a link / guide to follow? |
| 23:08.02 | Che-Anarch | tremon jessie chroot (new to me) :-) |
| 23:09.09 | tremon | https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap is usable, though terse |
| 23:10.36 | Nik05 | Che-Anarch did you reinstall your system? |
| 23:10.57 | Nik05 | what about using backports Che-Anarch ? |
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| 23:12.47 | Che-Anarch | Nik05 yeah I replicated from another clone I have... lucky matching machines.... |
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| 23:14.00 | Che-Anarch | Nik05 backports kind of new for me too... all I have is a ./exec - & is backports applicable if I'm trying to get LIBC_2.14 that seems like the latest edition |
| 23:14.07 | Che-Anarch | or later than whats in wheezy 7.3 |
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| 23:16.22 | Che-Anarch | Or maybe my executable needs that specific version of GLIBC. |
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| 23:26.32 | entity | hello again, i have this weird problem where cpu usage shows 100% on core 1 but there is no process using anywhere near that much cpu http://www.fi.muni.cz/~xkrupick/misc/cpuusage.png |
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| 23:28.48 | entity | can this have something to do with screen? |
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| 23:29.05 | entity | if the process was running inside a screen, can it cause it not to show up in htop? |
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| 23:32.10 | kRush | you might have hidden kernel threads or something like that |
| 23:32.41 | kRush | red in htop is what.. iowait? |
| 23:32.45 | entity | can this have something to do with opencl? |
| 23:32.55 | entity | i suspect an opencl thread is using all that cpu |
| 23:33.07 | entity | maybe opencl threads won't show up |
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| 23:35.09 | entity | oh, so the colors mean something? that explains a bit |
| 23:35.20 | entity | "Red = Kernel threads" |
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| 23:37.41 | entity | hmm, is there a way to kill these hidden kernel threads? |
| 23:37.53 | entity | i suspect they're opencl threads |
| 23:38.06 | kRush | well, unhide them and see |
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| 23:45.22 | entity | kRush: okay, thanks, i uderstand this better now, i unhid the kernel threads in htop |
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| 23:45.35 | entity | next time they spawn, i'll hopefully be able to kill the off |
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| 23:52.58 | a2nd | Sorry about reconencts :P |
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| 23:53.14 | a2nd | Trying to set up TOR stuff, but last time, my network just crashed :P |
| 23:53.59 | a2nd | Does anyone know how to set up a custom hostname? Such as when we whois on me, it answers "acerspyro@ATAPI212.org" |
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