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| 00:01.33 | HicksD | Just done a wheezy install on an old celeron based laptop. Install (via cd) went fine but after reboot grub doesn't run. Instead it moves onto devices listed later in the bios boot order. |
| 00:01.49 | HicksD | I can boot from the cd into rescue mode and mount the / and /boot folders |
| 00:02.01 | ted20 | Channel debian-offtopic's dead :/ |
| 00:02.11 | HicksD | and tried reinstalling grub to /dev/sda just in case, but no success. |
| 00:02.22 | HicksD | Any suggestions how to diagnose this further? |
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| 00:03.11 | acerspyro | Is there an IM available on Linux that supports the Skype protocol? |
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| 00:03.52 | alex1 | @acerspyro except of the proprietary skype client itself there isn't |
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| 00:04.09 | alex1 | there was a plugin for pidgin but in fact skype has to be running in the background |
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| 00:05.33 | awwnoooooo | @nomine ping the gateway, THEN arp -a |
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| 00:07.05 | nomine | awwnoooooo: ping -c 1 $GATEWAY &> /dev/null && arp -a ... again, nothing :( |
| 00:07.20 | acerspyro | YAY UPDATE IS OVER |
| 00:07.27 | acerspyro | REBOOT, HELL YEAH |
| 00:08.04 | nomine | awwnoooooo: is there a way to set up a pseudo interface on top of ppp0? so that it would act as an eth one? |
| 00:08.06 | HicksD | try ping -b 192.168.0.255 first then arp -a |
| 00:08.12 | HicksD | in case the ip isn't what you expected? |
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| 00:09.18 | nomine | HicksD: didn't work either |
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| 00:10.24 | awwnoooooo | if you have curl...do |
| 00:10.28 | awwnoooooo | curl ifconfig.me |
| 00:10.32 | awwnoooooo | that's you public IP |
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| 00:12.00 | acu | is any problem with iceweasel in wheezy ? the right click button is messed - gives me a lot of options - cannot open in new tab ? |
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| 00:12.19 | awwnoooooo | Assume your gateway IP is 10.1.1.1 OR 10.1.1.255. THen I'd fire up Wireshark and do a quick capture. |
| 00:12.32 | awwnoooooo | That should give you everything but the kitchen sink. |
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| 00:16.38 | debianguy | Just upgraded to debain, rebooted my computer, and now my speakers don't work. any suggestions? |
| 00:16.46 | debianguy | and that's debian jessie |
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| 00:17.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell debianguy -about alsachecklist |
| 00:17.58 | dondelelcaro | !tell debianguy -about alsachecklist |
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| 00:18.01 | dondelelcaro | !tell debianguy -about alsa checklist |
| 00:18.17 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: sorry; try to follow those instructions that dpkg just told you; they're the standard troubleshooting instructions |
| 00:18.25 | vimel | debianguy: makes sure gstreamer is installed. check physical connection of the speakers, install pavucontrol with apt-get install pavucontrol, and check audio settings. |
| 00:18.43 | vimel | debianguy: you could also install pulseaudio |
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| 00:18.45 | debianguy | vimel: thanks |
| 00:18.53 | debianguy | vimel: pulseaudio is already installed |
| 00:18.58 | vimel | debianguy: np |
| 00:19.15 | awwnoooooo | have a look at alsamixer too. make sure 'auto mute' isn't causing problems. |
| 00:19.24 | vimel | ^ |
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| 00:19.50 | debianguy | well I do believe the problem is that it doesn't detect my speakers anymore. I open up xfce4-mixer and my speakers aren't listed |
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| 00:20.31 | vimel | debianguy: do an apt-get dist-upgrade also after you install pavucontrol |
| 00:21.10 | debianguy | vimel: will do |
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| 00:21.55 | acerspyro | After upgrading to Jessie, I lost my mouse pointer... |
| 00:21.58 | acerspyro | Hur hur hur |
| 00:22.01 | vimel | debianguy: in some cases you will have to reboot also after installing sound software such as gstreamer, pavucontrol |
| 00:22.02 | acerspyro | Any ideas? |
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| 00:22.08 | debianguy | vimel: yes thank you that upgrades everything that was what I was looking for |
| 00:22.48 | acu | OK, so why right click on Iceweasel in Wheezy is not working (I cannot open in new window etc) and have a bunch of more options - none work, this is only since few days |
| 00:22.51 | vimel | debianguy: cool np. |
| 00:22.53 | debianguy | I'll wait for that to finish and I'll be back soon hopefully it works |
| 00:22.59 | acerspyro | Also, after upgrading to Jessie, KDE is STILL using 4.11.3 |
| 00:23.03 | acerspyro | Da crap |
| 00:23.36 | acerspyro | It should be 4.12.2 |
| 00:24.16 | acerspyro | Any help? I'm hanging here. |
| 00:24.23 | Imbue | does anyone know roughly how large a desktop install is (i386)? with all defaults |
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| 00:26.04 | acerspyro | Also, systemctl is saying that it can't make a DBUS connection |
| 00:26.53 | tremon | ,v plasma-desktop |
| 00:26.55 | judd | Package: plasma-desktop on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-7+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.3-3; sid: 4:4.11.6-2 |
| 00:27.09 | Jobbe | atari314: you around ? |
| 00:27.11 | tremon | acerspyro: why do you think it should be 4.12? An announcement somewhere? |
| 00:27.18 | atari314 | Jobbe: yes sir |
| 00:27.33 | Jobbe | atari314: i'm trying to squeeze debian onto 4 GB |
| 00:27.52 | acerspyro | 1st: It was on SuSE 2nd: Yes, in #KDE 3rd: It's not bleeding-edge, nor unstable. |
| 00:28.00 | acerspyro | nor stable* |
| 00:28.09 | Jobbe | atari314: all i need is terminal for ssh and irssi, i3 and iceweasel |
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| 00:28.18 | acerspyro | 4.11 is VERY stable. If I wasn't on Sid, it would probably give me like 4.8 :P |
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| 00:28.28 | atari314 | Jobbe: i3? |
| 00:28.34 | Jobbe | atari314: i3 window manager |
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| 00:28.59 | Jobbe | atari314: as you seem to be an expert in small installs i thought you maybe could help :P i ran out of disk space before |
| 00:29.10 | atari314 | Jobbe: sure thing :) |
| 00:29.12 | Jobbe | atari314: mainly because i had split up in 4 partitions |
| 00:29.24 | atari314 | Jobbe: you really don't need to do that |
| 00:29.25 | Jobbe | now i just did a 1 partition + swap heh |
| 00:29.48 | Jobbe | ligndm could not start lol |
| 00:29.48 | acu | Jobbe, debian without desktop my occupy 1 GB or so - however, I think there is a minimum of 12 GB required to install it |
| 00:29.49 | acerspyro | tremon: go look in #KDE, they say that 4.12 is out |
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| 00:30.13 | atari314 | Jobbe: let me link you my guide |
| 00:30.15 | Jobbe | acu: well debian.org says 5 gb minimum for debian + wm |
| 00:30.16 | acu | if you add desktop - it may reach 10 GB - but it is between 5 and 10 gb if I remember |
| 00:30.20 | Jobbe | atari314: already got it |
| 00:30.42 | acerspyro | My mouse problem is overly important |
| 00:30.45 | atari314 | Jobbe: basically all you have to do it select nothing during install, absolute nothing |
| 00:30.46 | acerspyro | :C |
| 00:31.04 | acu | Jobbe, possibly - I remember 10 or 10 GB - and again, it will take only 1 GB of thats spcae |
| 00:31.09 | atari314 | Jobbe: you'll end up with around 500mb (400 really) |
| 00:31.28 | acerspyro | I'm currently attempting to use my desktop without a mouse. I don't see a mouse pointer, although I saw it for a second while logging in, then disappeared... |
| 00:31.30 | atari314 | Jobbe: the key is not installing any DE... you can do just fine with only a WM |
| 00:31.44 | Jobbe | atari314: DE ? |
| 00:31.51 | atari314 | Jobbe: DesktopEnviroment |
| 00:31.57 | Jobbe | ah |
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| 00:32.29 | Jobbe | atari314: i'm installing bare minimum for me to be able to work |
| 00:32.44 | Jobbe | atari314: i usual ssh into my workstation and work from there |
| 00:32.57 | Jobbe | so this install is just for a netbook that i can travel with |
| 00:33.05 | Jobbe | for ssh |
| 00:33.13 | atari314 | Jobbe: if you have 4gb avail you don't really need to got through all the first part I describe there |
| 00:33.14 | Jobbe | and well iceweasel for internet if needed |
| 00:33.16 | acerspyro | Jobbe: set up X forwarding via SSH? |
| 00:33.22 | atari314 | you don't even need to tweak your kernel |
| 00:33.26 | atari314 | just avoid the DE |
| 00:33.32 | Jobbe | x forwarding ? |
| 00:33.34 | Jobbe | you lost me =D |
| 00:33.37 | acerspyro | lol |
| 00:34.00 | atari314 | no, I mean, just install some WindowManager and the xserver-xorg basic core |
| 00:34.03 | acerspyro | Accessing your workstation's graphical environment from another comp via SSH, whilst still using your workstation's resources, not your lappy's. |
| 00:34.23 | Jobbe | nice |
| 00:34.31 | atari314 | Jobbe: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=111588#p529836 << this (part 3) |
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| 00:34.45 | atari314 | I'm still rewriting it, but all you need it the basic X11 |
| 00:34.51 | acerspyro | What about my lost mouse? D: |
| 00:34.55 | Jobbe | acerspyro: though i would not need to access GUI, as i do all my work from terminal =D |
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| 00:35.23 | Jobbe | Only application i use that does not run from a terminal is iceweasel |
| 00:35.29 | atari314 | Jobbe: iceweasel will have some fat deps, mostly gtk-stuff, but I guess you won't go over 200mb with it all |
| 00:35.37 | Jobbe | ok |
| 00:35.44 | Jobbe | i also do use elinks |
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| 00:36.18 | atari314 | Jobbe: 500mb the standard install without any selections... 20mb X11 + 100mb for 3dDrivers... 100mb for GTK-stuff + 100mb for iceweasel |
| 00:36.24 | atari314 | you'll be way below 4gb |
| 00:36.42 | acerspyro | My Xorg logs shows no traces of loading my mouse, only my CHICONY keyboard. |
| 00:36.43 | Jobbe | Nice |
| 00:36.53 | Jobbe | but atari314 i prefer i3 tbh |
| 00:36.58 | Imbue | are 2 CD's enough to install gnome on i386 without netinst? |
| 00:37.00 | acerspyro | I run X11 on 60 MB of RAM |
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| 00:37.39 | atari314 | Jobbe: tilling WM are always cool xD |
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| 00:38.10 | acerspyro | Would TWM do the job? |
| 00:39.17 | centrx | Yes, twm! |
| 00:39.31 | centrx | You could also try blackbox/fluxbox/openbox |
| 00:40.05 | atari314 | flux <3 |
| 00:40.16 | acerspyro | NoWM :3 |
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| 00:40.24 | acerspyro | Don't use a WM at all :P |
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| 00:40.52 | Arceye | Can anyone help me with aptitude update ? |
| 00:41.43 | acu | Arceye, ask your questin |
| 00:42.25 | Arceye | I am trying to get ati drivers installed but having difficulty following the instructions on the web site |
| 00:42.52 | Arceye | can I paste a link to the site in here so you can see where I am struggling ? |
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| 00:43.45 | acerspyro | prefers his desktop with a mouse |
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| 00:46.43 | acerspyro | I see that noone wants/can to help me. |
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| 00:46.50 | Imbue | lol, I was speaking to someone earlier about there being 10 DVD's |
| 00:47.13 | Imbue | turns out there are also 68 CD's (for amd64) which correspond. :D |
| 00:47.33 | Imbue | i want to know who is using these CD's |
| 00:48.34 | centrx | Use net install, one 220MB CD |
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| 00:49.01 | Imbue | centrx: I understand this |
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| 00:49.18 | Imbue | i just find it somehow funny that there exists a 68 CD set somewhere |
| 00:49.31 | Imbue | a bit like installing from a billion floppies back in the day. :) |
| 00:49.54 | acerspyro | Imbue: how many floppies is 68 CDs? |
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| 00:50.10 | Imbue | acerspyro: global production of floppies in 2014 |
| 00:50.12 | Imbue | maybe. |
| 00:50.22 | Imbue | i wonder how many are still being produced. hehe |
| 00:50.47 | acerspyro | They sell them in packs of 8 at a shop nearby. |
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| 00:51.55 | debianguy | has anyone ever used sid |
| 00:52.01 | acerspyro | I do |
| 00:52.08 | acerspyro | And and so far, it sucks |
| 00:52.09 | Imbue | for fun: it is ~30,000 1.44MB floppies |
| 00:52.12 | debianguy | is it unstable? |
| 00:52.16 | acerspyro | NO |
| 00:52.18 | acerspyro | OH FUCK NO |
| 00:52.26 | Imbue | i am trying to find out how much one floppy weighs, lol |
| 00:52.28 | acerspyro | IT'S EVEN OUTDATED |
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| 00:52.37 | acerspyro | Sid -> KDE 4.11 |
| 00:52.39 | adah | Imbue doesn't it weight 1.44 oz ? |
| 00:52.41 | debianguy | acerspyro: ? |
| 00:52.47 | acerspyro | Latest KDE stable is 4.12.2 |
| 00:52.54 | debianguy | why the hell would it be outdated? |
| 00:53.09 | acerspyro | debianguy: asking myself he same question |
| 00:53.15 | Imbue | erm, experimental? |
| 00:53.26 | debianguy | acerspyro: that seems counter intuitive |
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| 00:53.48 | acerspyro | ? |
| 00:54.08 | acerspyro | How the hell can I get KDe 4.12.2 and my mouse pointer on Debian? |
| 00:54.33 | acerspyro | debianguy: btw, you logged on too late, but I lost my mouse pointer entirely after the upgrade |
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| 00:55.02 | Imbue | acerspyro: looks like experimental has 4.12.2 |
| 00:55.02 | debianguy | acerspyro: ahh sucks |
| 00:55.04 | acerspyro | I saw it for a fraction of second after login, could move it a few inches, then it disappeared |
| 00:55.04 | Imbue | have fun with that |
| 00:55.26 | acerspyro | And the X logs shows no trace of loading my mouse |
| 00:55.29 | debianguy | acerspyro: was it to jessie? |
| 00:55.34 | acerspyro | debianguy: yes |
| 00:56.12 | debianguy | acerspyro: yeah I'm still waiting for the update to finish |
| 00:56.23 | debianguy | acerspyro: hopefully my sound will still work |
| 00:56.34 | acerspyro | ? |
| 00:56.38 | acerspyro | What update? |
| 00:56.43 | debianguy | jessie |
| 00:56.46 | acerspyro | kk |
| 00:56.50 | acerspyro | It takes a while |
| 00:57.12 | debianguy | yeah |
| 00:57.56 | adah | Do floppies weight 1.44 ounces? |
| 00:58.00 | adah | weigh* |
| 00:58.06 | debianguy | someone told me that the packages in jessie are from late 2013 |
| 00:58.22 | Imbue | adah: i can't find into n it actually lol |
| 00:58.25 | acerspyro | That's 2 months old |
| 00:58.39 | debianguy | acerspyro: yeah but for debian that's good |
| 00:58.45 | Imbue | info on* |
| 00:59.02 | acerspyro | debianguy: what can I do to always get the VERY latest packages, without being bleeding-edge? |
| 00:59.23 | Imbue | you probably shouldn't be using debian |
| 00:59.28 | debianguy | acerspyro: on debian? I don't know. you should try a distro like fedora |
| 00:59.43 | acerspyro | debianguy: kk :C |
| 00:59.46 | Imbue | latest packages are bleeding edge by definition |
| 00:59.54 | acerspyro | I just spent the whole evening installing that |
| 01:00.14 | debianguy | acerspyro: yeah but in general it's the stability I choose with debian |
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| 01:01.08 | acerspyro | What else than Fedora is available? Else than Ubuntu, SuSE and arch? that is pretty known? |
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| 01:01.37 | debianguy | acerspyro: tons. arch and gentoo are good if you want to spend a lot of time configuring files |
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| 01:07.48 | viscera | acerspyro, Arch has the latest packages |
| 01:07.56 | acerspyro | viscera: arch is bleeding-edge |
| 01:08.04 | acerspyro | I come from SuSE, not going back to it |
| 01:08.08 | acerspyro | I ate Ubuntu |
| 01:08.11 | acerspyro | hate*\ |
| 01:08.12 | viscera | acerspyro, how are you going to have latest packages without being bleeding edge? |
| 01:08.17 | acerspyro | Don't want to use Fedora |
| 01:08.27 | acerspyro | viscera: 4.12.2 is not bleeding-edge |
| 01:08.36 | viscera | oh, you want selected stuff being bleeding |
| 01:08.44 | acerspyro | YES |
| 01:08.46 | acerspyro | THANK YOU |
| 01:08.50 | viscera | lol |
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| 01:09.22 | viscera | acerspyro, perhaps Chakra... but i can't vouch for it |
| 01:09.35 | debianguy | install gentoo |
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| 01:09.58 | acerspyro | debianguy: thinking about it |
| 01:10.35 | debianguy | acerspyro: yes but be prepared. installed it on vbox. it will take some time to configure it to your liking |
| 01:11.00 | acerspyro | I'll get fedora -.- |
| 01:11.48 | debianguy | acerspyro: fedora is unstable I've heard though |
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| 01:12.13 | debianguy | acerspyro: and the support team is awful |
| 01:12.23 | acerspyro | ok, no fedora |
| 01:12.28 | acerspyro | No support, no fedora |
| 01:12.33 | gnugnu4 | So if a backport has been modified, it should rather go into updates (private repository), right? Or even a more cascaded approach like e.g. wheezy-backports-updates? |
| 01:12.36 | gnugnu4 | So it is not only backported, but as second change something was added (some script files). |
| 01:14.34 | acerspyro | I think I'll have to install SuSE back :/ |
| 01:15.27 | acerspyro | It is easy to configure, packaging is crap crap crap tho, but oh well, Has very good support, has KDE 4.12.2. |
| 01:15.37 | debianguy | all right so i just finished apt-get dist-upgrade. what next? should I just restart and hope it works? |
| 01:15.51 | Arceye | people should be banned from putting instructions on the net for how to do things :( I followed instructions to the letter and now I have a pc that will not work :(( |
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| 01:16.09 | acerspyro | Arceye: that's epic |
| 01:16.14 | Arceye | formatting again for the 6th time in 24 hours |
| 01:16.14 | acerspyro | So did I |
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| 01:17.14 | debianguy | help anyone? |
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| 01:19.33 | debianguy | no one? |
| 01:19.46 | acerspyro | debianguy: idk |
| 01:19.54 | acerspyro | reboot |
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| 01:20.00 | acerspyro | And see if your mouse still works |
| 01:20.06 | debianguy | acerspyro: allright... wish me luck |
| 01:20.10 | acerspyro | I do |
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| 01:34.55 | gnugnu4 | Can you reach http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=debchange |
| 01:35.17 | gnugnu4 | Because I can't. And the proxy, too. Although those 'is the site down only for me' tools say it is online. |
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| 01:35.39 | debianguy1 | that didn't go as well as I wanted it to |
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| 01:39.53 | debianguy | I just rebooted into jessie and everything seems okay it's just my screen resolution is weird |
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| 01:44.07 | debianguy | yeah my screen resolution is garbled |
| 01:44.13 | debianguy | just after updating to jessie |
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| 01:46.20 | acerspyro | debianguy: what distro do you recommend me for gaming? |
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| 01:46.43 | atari314 | acerspyro: any that is _not_ steam os... |
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| 01:47.24 | debianguy | I have no idea but i need to fix my screen resolution |
| 01:47.53 | acerspyro | I have no idea bot I need to get my mouse pointer back. |
| 01:47.57 | acerspyro | ^ |
| 01:48.03 | debianguy | sucks |
| 01:48.07 | acerspyro | ikr |
| 01:48.13 | acerspyro | My problem is worse than urs :C |
| 01:48.17 | debianguy | yeah |
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| 01:49.23 | arthurfiggis | debianguy: i wish i could suggest something but i've only used debian stable for a while, i've never used jessie at all :( i think there is a particular channel for the upcoming versions of debian though...#debian-next i think? |
| 01:49.44 | rryoumaa | screen resolution too small makes a computer not usable |
| 01:49.55 | debianguy | it's too big |
| 01:50.00 | dvs | arthurfiggis: Yes, on OFTC |
| 01:50.23 | acerspyro | rryoumaa: 30x40? |
| 01:50.48 | arthurfiggis | dvs: oh right...it's in the topic, it just didn't show up because the title name of the window is too long in kde :P whoops |
| 01:50.54 | rryoumaa | correction: font size too small makes a computer not usable |
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| 01:51.37 | vimel | debianguy: did you install video drivers? |
| 01:52.03 | debianguy | vimel: how would I |
| 01:52.06 | vimel | debianguy: you could try to install arandr. apt-get install arandr |
| 01:52.23 | vimel | then run it to adjust your screen resolution. |
| 01:52.47 | vimel | are you using nvidia, amd or intel? |
| 01:53.08 | debianguy | vimel: Radeon |
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| 01:53.21 | vimel | dpkg: tell debianguy about radeon |
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| 01:54.12 | arthurfiggis | i found that people who worked with computers around the time i started with them really liked small fonts, for some reason...i just started turning everything up once my eyes got a little bad, no need to stare into a flashlight trying to read something smaller than dust :) |
| 01:54.44 | debianguy | I run arandr and click apply but nothing changes |
| 01:56.02 | acerspyro | debianguy: plugged my mouse back and it fixed it |
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| 01:56.29 | debianguy | it's telling me that the lowest resolution it has is 1280X1024 |
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| 01:56.57 | debianguy | I need 1920X1800 |
| 01:57.10 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: you mean 1920x1080? |
| 01:57.14 | acerspyro | I only have 1440x900 D: |
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| 01:57.18 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: what is output of xrandr; ? |
| 01:57.18 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: yeah |
| 01:57.31 | debianguy | I run the gui |
| 01:57.36 | debianguy | how do i manually set it? |
| 01:57.39 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: run xrandr; in the command line |
| 01:57.48 | dondelelcaro | (from inside of X, of course) |
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| 01:57.55 | bigal | How do I install Debian konversation after downloading it and expanding the tar? |
| 01:58.14 | debianguy | it's telling me the maxim is 1280X104 |
| 01:58.25 | debianguy | *1024 |
| 01:58.26 | dondelelcaro | bigal: you don't need to expand the tarball; read the install guide |
| 01:58.38 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: please use a paste site to give the full output |
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| 01:58.55 | bigal | dondelelcaro: do you have a link? i have googled for it |
| 01:59.00 | dondelelcaro | !install guide |
| 01:59.00 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
| 01:59.06 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: there isn't that much to paste |
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| 01:59.31 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: yes, but it'll tell me the frequencies, and a bunch of other information. The output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log will also be useful |
| 01:59.31 | debianguy | it only gives me options between 640 X 400 and 1280X1024 |
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| 01:59.41 | bigal | dondelelcaro: that looks like the install guide for debian - I just want to install konversation |
| 01:59.54 | debianguy | okay i'll try |
| 02:00.33 | bigal | dondelelcaro: might be worth mentioning I am on Kali linux which is debian based |
| 02:00.40 | dondelelcaro | bigal: oh, sorry; if you want to install konversation on Debian, just aptitude install konversation; |
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| 02:01.12 | dondelelcaro | bigal: if you're not running Debian, then you should ask in your distribution's channel. We only support Debian here |
| 02:01.41 | bigal | dondelelcaro: yeah its debian based, but it must have different repos cause konversation isnt found |
| 02:01.48 | bigal | dondelelcaro: how do I check the repos? |
| 02:01.59 | dondelelcaro | bigal: ask in #kali-linux on this network; they should know. |
| 02:02.01 | vimel | debianguy: you have to install the radeon drivers it sounds like. |
| 02:02.07 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/TELHJCMU |
| 02:02.12 | vimel | debianguy: check the msg dpkg sent you |
| 02:02.32 | debianguy | vimel: ? |
| 02:02.45 | vimel | dpkg: tell debianguy about radeon |
| 02:02.53 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: ok, and what is the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log; and lspci; ? |
| 02:03.12 | vimel | debianguy: you should have received this msg: (09:02:48 PM) dpkg: told debianguy about radeon (Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon |
| 02:04.38 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: how can I just copy the whole thing cause it's like 3000 lines |
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| 02:05.06 | debianguy | vimel: okay so what do I do to install it? |
| 02:05.26 | acerspyro | debianguy: pastebin? |
| 02:05.36 | acerspyro | debianguy: btw, I'm switching back to SuSE |
| 02:05.51 | acerspyro | I'll just have to manually edit some shit around |
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| 02:07.16 | debianguy | vimel: it's telling me i have them installed |
| 02:07.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell debianguy -about pastebinit |
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| 02:07.32 | vimel | debianguy: what is? |
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| 02:07.42 | vimel | debianguy: 'it' can be anything. |
| 02:07.47 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: pastebinit will help you send the file to the paste sites |
| 02:07.49 | vimel | debianguy: you have to be specific. |
| 02:08.01 | debianguy | i run sudo apt-get for the drivers and it's already installed |
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| 02:08.22 | debianguy | vimel: and sorry it's just I'm getting a headache from this low resolution |
| 02:08.27 | mdim | I've just installed the newest kernel from wheezy-backports (amd64). Why it doesn't have a module needed by VirtualBox by default? Is there a kernel with it? |
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| 02:09.37 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: is there a way to select it all from emacs or vim in terminal? |
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| 02:09.50 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: because i can't open it without root permissions |
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| 02:10.58 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: that's fine; you can do sudo cat /var/lib/Xorg.0.log|pastebinit; |
| 02:11.00 | Jobbe | hmm |
| 02:11.25 | Tramp | !tell mdim -about vbox-install wheezy |
| 02:11.32 | Jobbe | when following the wiki.debian.org/wl part regarding wheezy then when i do modprobe wl i get "Fatal: module wl not found." |
| 02:12.10 | dondelelcaro | Jobbe: you shouldn't need the wl driver; you should be able to just use the b43 one |
| 02:12.19 | vimel | debianguy: when you run cat /etc/modprobe.d what do you see? |
| 02:12.22 | dondelelcaro | Jobbe: you may need the nonfree broadcom firmware, but that's easily installable |
| 02:12.30 | Jobbe | mm ok |
| 02:12.41 | dondelelcaro | vimel: you don't need to look at anything there. The Xorg.0.log will have all of this information |
| 02:12.49 | bigal | dondelelcaro: seriously nobody on kali-linux knows how to do it |
| 02:12.51 | dondelelcaro | vimel: and lsmod|grep radeon; is far more uesful |
| 02:13.00 | bigal | dondelelcaro: it cant be that different to debian? |
| 02:13.02 | dondelelcaro | bigal: they have forums too |
| 02:13.11 | vimel | dondelelcaro: well you told him to do that and hes not so i figure id take it a different way. |
| 02:13.15 | dondelelcaro | bigal: it's clearly that different, because Debian has it. |
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| 02:13.18 | vimel | dondelelcaro: but your right. |
| 02:13.25 | bigal | dondelelcaro: google "kali konversation" gives nothing |
| 02:13.30 | debianguy | vimel: that's a directory |
| 02:13.39 | Jobbe | dondelelcaro: i'll try b43 |
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| 02:13.52 | dondelelcaro | Jobbe: it should be loaded automatically for you; you shouldn't have to do anything |
| 02:14.00 | dondelelcaro | Jobbe: but you might need the firmware for it to work properly |
| 02:14.00 | vimel | debianguy: i wanted to see if you had blacklisted conf |
| 02:14.00 | Jobbe | dondelelcaro: it's not loaded |
| 02:14.01 | bigal | dondelelcaro: cant konverstion be downloaded and built from source? |
| 02:14.10 | Jobbe | dondelelcaro: i'm installing firmware |
| 02:14.24 | debianguy | vimel: is there not a way to just add a mode to xrandr |
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| 02:14.30 | Jobbe | firmware-b43-installer |
| 02:14.38 | dondelelcaro | Jobbe: right, that's it |
| 02:14.39 | Bray90820 | Is mpeg2 support built into debian |
| 02:14.50 | dondelelcaro | bigal: sure, but we don't support that here. If you want support from us, run Debian. |
| 02:14.55 | Jobbe | dondelelcaro: would i need to do anything to undo the wl part ? |
| 02:14.58 | dondelelcaro | Bray90820: there are things that support mpeg2. |
| 02:15.14 | Bray90820 | Would XBMC support mpeg 2 on debian |
| 02:15.15 | dondelelcaro | Jobbe: I don't think so |
| 02:15.17 | Jobbe | ok |
| 02:15.22 | Jobbe | good =D |
| 02:15.35 | Jobbe | once wifi works, this netbook is ready to use =D |
| 02:15.38 | vimel | did you run lsmod|grep radeon yet? |
| 02:16.10 | Jobbe | dondelelcaro: i had to modprobe b43 |
| 02:16.30 | dondelelcaro | Bray90820: it's linked with libmpeg2, so I would suspect so. |
| 02:16.58 | Bray90820 | I know on the ouya i can't get mpeg 2 support for xbmc |
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| 02:17.03 | vimel | debianguy: you need to copy the /var/log/Xorg.0.log and put in the your home directory. then pastebin the results so we can see it. |
| 02:17.46 | debianguy | vimel: I'll try but how do I copy the entire thing |
| 02:18.21 | vimel | cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log /home |
| 02:18.43 | vimel | if it wont let you due to permissions type su then root password |
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| 02:18.51 | dvs | cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log ~ |
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| 02:22.01 | mdim | any clue why sound wouldn't be working with kernel 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64? |
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| 02:22.49 | debianguy | vimel: http://pastebin.com/heQSRypa |
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| 02:24.22 | Jobbe | wifi works =D thanks dondelelcaro |
| 02:24.52 | dvs | b43 actually works?!? |
| 02:26.49 | dondelelcaro | dvs: it's been working for quite a while, actually |
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| 02:27.09 | dvs | It didn't when I needed it. |
| 02:27.15 | debianguy | is someone reading my paste? |
| 02:27.19 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf? what is the output of lspci? |
| 02:27.33 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: what does uname -a; output? |
| 02:28.08 | dondelelcaro | ah; nevermind. I see it in the xorg output |
| 02:28.24 | Jobbe | lol |
| 02:28.28 | debianguy | I don't have a xorg.conf |
| 02:28.32 | Jobbe | i have to do modprobe b43 to enable wifi at boot |
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| 02:28.41 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: [ 22.041] (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported. <-- this is your problem. |
| 02:28.41 | debianguy | do you want me to paste my output of lspci |
| 02:28.57 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: what do you have in /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
| 02:29.14 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: specifically, is there an /etc/modprobe.d/radeom-kms.conf? what is in it? |
| 02:29.35 | dondelelcaro | Jobbe: hrm. it should really be auto-loading. But you can shove it into /etc/modules |
| 02:29.56 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: ummm in my modprobe.d there a radeon-kms.conf |
| 02:30.02 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: what is in it? |
| 02:30.11 | debianguy | nothing |
| 02:30.21 | debianguy | it just lists a bunch of drivers and one of them is that |
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| 02:30.46 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: no, what is in /etc/modrpobe.d/radeon-kms.conf? |
| 02:30.56 | dondelelcaro | s/modrp/modpr/ |
| 02:30.58 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: oh |
| 02:31.08 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: options radeon modset=1 |
| 02:31.23 | Jobbe | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 02:31.32 | dondelelcaro | Jobbe: no problem! glad it's working |
| 02:31.57 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: options radeon modeset=1 |
| 02:32.08 | Jobbe | Me too =D |
| 02:32.40 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: hrm. have you rebooted recently? what happens if you modprobe -r radeon; modprobe radeon; and restart X? |
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| 02:33.06 | debianguy | I have rebooted recently I just updated into jessie |
| 02:33.26 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: since you switched to jessie? |
| 02:33.31 | debianguy | yeah |
| 02:33.44 | debianguy | everything was perfect in wheezy and now it's not |
| 02:33.47 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: hrm. well, I'd try rebooting once more, just in case. |
| 02:33.56 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: yes, that's because radeon no longer supports UMS, and requires KMS |
| 02:34.08 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: but because KMS is disabled, the radeon driver will not work. |
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| 02:34.14 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: so what can I install? |
| 02:34.21 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: you don't need to install anything |
| 02:34.27 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: what do i do then? |
| 02:34.28 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: you need to reboot without disabling kms. |
| 02:34.38 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: how do i do that? |
| 02:34.44 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: from your settings in /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf, you've already set it properly |
| 02:35.01 | dondelelcaro | but it's possible that it wasn't set properly when you first rebooted |
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| 02:35.20 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: but I've rebooted twice and it's done the same thing |
| 02:36.24 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: if you've rebooted since you upgraded xserver-xorg-video-radeon, then you might have specified a nomodeset kernel command line |
| 02:36.25 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: maybe it has to do with the fact that I rebooted first into recovery mode? |
| 02:36.48 | dondelelcaro | that doesn't matter |
| 02:37.18 | dondelelcaro | the only question is whether you've rebooted since upgrading xserver-xorg-video-radeon, which changes the modeset=0 to modeset=1 |
| 02:37.57 | dondelelcaro | or alternatively, if you've specified a kernel commandline which has the same effect |
| 02:38.32 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: I didn't |
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| 02:39.22 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: should I just reboot again? |
| 02:39.36 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: that's the easiest, yes. |
| 02:40.05 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: well I really do hope this works |
| 02:40.11 | dondelelcaro | debianguy: if it's not working still, then come back, and show me the contents of /proc/cmdline and the contents of /var/log/dmesg |
| 02:40.23 | debianguy | dondelelcaro: okay |
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| 02:44.35 | debianguy1 | no unfortunately it still does not work |
| 02:44.44 | debianguy1 | what was that you wanted me to paste |
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| 02:55.54 | pav5088 | I wonder if anyone can help me help myself re: a bug. |
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| 02:57.26 | pav5088 | I reported a security bug some months ago which hasn't been fixed, so I'm attempting to fix it myself : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=723773 |
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| 02:58.56 | pav5088 | I downloaded the isc-ldap-server-ldap sources myself, and unpacked and searched for the string which is giving me problems ie. ldap-tls-crlfil and found nothing |
| 03:00.14 | pav5088 | I don't know how I can go about trying to help myself from here, so that's why I'm here asking for help. ;) |
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| 03:04.01 | Jayro | Hello, I think I have been hacked, I am unable to upgrade or install packages because the attributes on /usr/sbin dont allow files to be created within it, and no im trying to change the attributes on that directory and am receiving the following, bash: /usr/bin/chattr: No such file or director, its there, but has these attributes, su--ia-------e-- ./chattr |
| 03:04.04 | Jayro | can anyone help me out? |
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| 03:07.34 | thims | Jayro: Those are the attributes from "ls -l"? |
| 03:07.44 | Jayro | no, lsattr |
| 03:08.02 | Jayro | -rwxr-xr-x |
| 03:08.06 | Jayro | those are the perms from ls -l |
| 03:08.54 | Jayro | which i cant change to do the attributes |
| 03:09.22 | thims | Jayro: Firstly, you can't change anything in /usr/sbin as root? Secondly, do you have any scanning software installed (rkhunter, chkrootkit, tripwire, etc?) or a knoppix disc? |
| 03:09.54 | Jayro | thims, I cant change anything in /usr/sbin as root, and no, also this is a VPS i dont have physical access to.. :( |
| 03:10.04 | thims | Jayro: It honestly sounds like a possible architecture issue, lack of permissions for priviledged operations, and possible confusion to me. |
| 03:10.57 | Jayro | well, right now the issue is, i cant use chattr to change the attributes on chattr due to bad attributes on chattr itself, its just a paradox of me being owned. |
| 03:12.13 | chattr | Jayro: you gave us the attributes on /usr/sbin/chattr but didn't give us the attributes on the /usr/sbin/directory |
| 03:12.57 | Jayro | sorry, suS-iadAc-I--e-- ./sbin |
| 03:14.07 | doebi | hibernating doesnt work for me in jessie |
| 03:14.23 | doebi | do i need some additional packages/setup/configuration? |
| 03:14.41 | chattr | Jayro: if you have no physical access to the system, you could restore from your last known good backup, or analyze what else was done to the system and then restore |
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| 03:15.41 | chattr | probably other steps you could take, say by scp'ing a good chattr binary to the system |
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| 03:16.49 | chattr | Jayro: but you'd just wind up with a hacked system with a good chattr binary |
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| 03:25.12 | afsal | how to display indian language in terminal |
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| 03:51.36 | totesmuhgoats | hey guys |
| 03:51.47 | totesmuhgoats | is there a debian equivalent to emerge world? |
| 03:51.54 | totesmuhgoats | emerge world from gentoo that is |
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| 03:52.15 | totesmuhgoats | I have a PC that I found had a bad motherboard and I am concerned about my binaries being corrupted |
| 03:52.27 | totesmuhgoats | so I'd like to redownload every installed package and reinstall |
| 03:53.16 | sors_ | apt-get or aptitude |
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| 03:53.54 | totesmuhgoats | sors_: yes i know apt-get, but is there an argument that would reinstall all installed packages at once |
| 03:54.27 | sors_ | that i don't know |
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| 03:59.28 | unclezipper_ | Hi, I'm running Debian jessie and trying to install Bumblebee on a laptop for a client. When I try to use optirun, the second X server fails to start, citing that the module "glx" does not exist. Can anyone help? |
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| 04:02.45 | doebi | why cant this stupid jessie just go hibernating? |
| 04:03.16 | hpekdemir | how can I use a folder with such permissions that the folder can be used by multiple collaborators (developers) |
| 04:03.31 | hpekdemir | I have them in one group all are in. |
| 04:03.43 | hpekdemir | chgrp of folder to that group |
| 04:04.07 | hpekdemir | and setfacl that dir recursive to u::rw,g::rw,o::0 |
| 04:04.08 | dondelelcaro | hpekdemir: then chmod g+s that folder. |
| 04:04.22 | hpekdemir | since I can't use umask for some developers (they use windows and do a sshfs mount) |
| 04:04.25 | dondelelcaro | hpekdemir: if they're all in the same group, then you don't need to do anything else |
| 04:04.41 | hpekdemir | dondelelcaro: of course. I need g+rw default |
| 04:04.47 | hpekdemir | and umask is default 0022 |
| 04:05.02 | dondelelcaro | hpekdemir: doesn't really matter; once they can write to the directory, they're good |
| 04:05.15 | dondelelcaro | even if someone makes a file unwritable, you can unlink it |
| 04:05.49 | hpekdemir | with that original user (who has same group name) I touch a file. |
| 04:05.59 | dondelelcaro | yes |
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| 04:06.08 | hpekdemir | now it is "rw rw ---" for user1:user1sgroup |
| 04:06.20 | hpekdemir | anybody else is in user1sgroup too |
| 04:06.23 | hpekdemir | but can't write the file |
| 04:06.30 | hpekdemir | I mean it is "rw r ---" |
| 04:06.44 | dondelelcaro | hpekdemir: yes, but you can read it, and you can unlink it, and you can create a new file |
| 04:07.00 | hpekdemir | dondelelcaro: I can't use that method since I use sublime from sshfs mounted dir |
| 04:07.08 | hpekdemir | vim does it by creating new file if it cant write to it |
| 04:07.10 | hpekdemir | but sublime not. |
| 04:07.15 | hpekdemir | so I need proper perms. |
| 04:08.09 | hpekdemir | setafcl is the right thing for this. but somehow it does not work for newly created files |
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| 04:12.36 | dondelelcaro | hpekdemir: I think you have to use setfacl -dm u::rwx,g::rwx,o::r /path/to/foo |
| 04:12.39 | dondelelcaro | hpekdemir: to set the default facl |
| 04:12.44 | dondelelcaro | s/facl/acl/ |
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| 04:13.00 | dondelelcaro | hpekdemir: because otherwise all you're doing is modifying the current acl, and not setting the default |
| 04:13.21 | hpekdemir | dondelelcaro: I use both |
| 04:13.25 | hpekdemir | the -m option with -R |
| 04:13.31 | hpekdemir | and the -d option to set defaults. |
| 04:13.42 | dondelelcaro | hpekdemir: then what does getfacl /path/to/directory; say? |
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| 04:14.18 | hpekdemir | rwx rwx rwx. defaults same |
| 04:14.27 | hpekdemir | no rwx rwx ---. |
| 04:14.34 | hpekdemir | others dont have anything |
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| 04:17.16 | dondelelcaro | hpekdemir: I just tested here, and it works fine... |
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| 04:17.56 | hpekdemir | I think I will give all developers the same user to login via sshfs |
| 04:18.01 | hpekdemir | via ssh. for sshfs mounting |
| 04:18.02 | dondelelcaro | hpekdemir: so if it's not working, you'll have to show the getfacl /path/to/directory; and stat /path/to/directory; output |
| 04:18.11 | dondelelcaro | hpekdemir: you don't need to do that... but whatever works |
| 04:18.14 | Sidicas | Hello, I've got a Dell laptop here with an Elantech touchpad. About 75% of the time I reboot the PC, the touchpad is not detected. However if I power off the PC completely and turn it on, it's detected. I've tried all kernels from 3.0.4 to 3.12. I've also googled and found tons of people with the same problem and no solutions.. Where to begin? |
| 04:18.53 | Sidicas | When it works, I see this in dmesg: input: ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input6... When it doesn't work, there is no such indication. |
| 04:19.05 | Sidicas | There is also no record of it in xinput when it doesn't work too. |
| 04:20.15 | hpekdemir | dondelelcaro: is it because of www having root:root rw-r- only and the folder I want to set perm to is inside www? |
| 04:20.22 | hpekdemir | and www is in var. |
| 04:20.49 | hpekdemir | but others have r-x to var. so recursively should be able to access. but not write |
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| 04:22.39 | dondelelcaro | hpekdemir: I don't know; it's a waste of my time to debug without the actual output |
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| 04:23.48 | hpekdemir | you're right. |
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| 04:41.07 | unclezipper_ | Rolling the dice again... I'm having problems with Xorg, it won't start because it can't find the glx module |
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| 04:51.48 | mnathani | whats the equivalent to chkconfig (coming from centos) in debian |
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| 04:55.58 | LtL | mnathani: rcconf is a option, debian also has a chkconfig tool in the repo's |
| 04:56.31 | unclezipper_ | mnathani, update-rc.d |
| 04:57.26 | LtL | mnathani: and update-rc.d is the preferred method |
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| 05:58.21 | Okee | Is GNU Hello in the repos: hello-1.0-1.1.diff.gz |
| 05:58.37 | Okee | http://www.gnu.org/software/hello/ |
| 05:58.43 | centrx | Okee, http://packages.debian.org/hello |
| 05:59.29 | Okee | centrx> So it is called hello-debhelper? |
| 05:59.45 | centrx | Okee, Top result is a package called "hello"... |
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| 06:00.17 | Okee | centrx> The only thing I see under wheezy is hello-debhelper Is this the same thing? |
| 06:00.22 | Okee | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=hello |
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| 06:01.18 | centrx | There is a "hello" under wheezy |
| 06:01.23 | Okee | centrx> I think it is the same program. |
| 06:01.25 | centrx | hello-debhelper says: "This is the same as the hello package, except it uses debhelper to make the deb. Please see debhelper as to what it is." |
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| 06:01.48 | Okee | I installed it with apt-get, but it isn't showing up in my menu. Tomorrow I will take a look at it. |
| 06:04.51 | themill | Okee: why do you expect it to be on the menu? (and why do you want this package anyway?) |
| 06:05.15 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 06:05.28 | Okee | themill> Curiousity more than anything else. It was listed as being in the top 50 of popular linux programs. |
| 06:05.36 | ShapeShifter499 | where do I put a script if I want it to run just before networking (or even earlier)? |
| 06:05.48 | Okee | Right now my most immediate interest is finding a more secure alternative than Dropbox. |
| 06:05.49 | ShapeShifter499 | before /etc/network/interfaces gets called |
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| 06:06.47 | Okee | I wonder how easy to use is Wuala? Ideally I would like to use a file sharing service that is platform independent, but also fully encrypts your files so that your host doesn't know what you have: http://techpp.com/2010/07/05/dropbox-alternatives-sync-files-online/ |
| 06:06.50 | FungiFox | ShapeShifter499: could you write your script that calls /etc/network/interfaces and call it customnetstart.sh or something? |
| 06:08.42 | ShapeShifter499 | FungiFox, this has nothing to do with /etc/network/interfaces, I just want this script to run before any network is started |
| 06:10.08 | ShapeShifter499 | FungiFox, it's just a script that controls some LEDs on my system, I'd like it to run as early as possible to let me know the system is working and booting |
| 06:10.19 | FungiFox | can disable network manager service, write your own that starts that service and then put it in autorun |
| 06:10.30 | FungiFox | ? |
| 06:10.32 | FungiFox | i unno. |
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| 06:10.59 | Okee | Does anyone know if the extended privacy and sharing options of Wuala are in the free service? |
| 06:11.13 | ShapeShifter499 | :/ |
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| 06:30.25 | Okee | will files written for squeeze work in Wheezy? I didn't find the following program in the Debian respository: http://repo.wuala.com/dists/squeeze/ |
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| 06:31.29 | Okee | How would I write a source, that I could put in my sources.list file for stable: http://repo.wuala.com/ |
| 06:32.00 | buu | Okee: The same way you write any other source? |
| 06:32.22 | Imbue | is there a way to disable the infernal BEEP on the debian installer? |
| 06:32.47 | Imbue | some config i can edit in the image before burning to cd / putting on usb? |
| 06:33.03 | centrx | Imbue, blacklist the pcspkr module |
| 06:33.09 | Okee | buu> Would it be something like: deb http://repo.wuala.com/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/ wheezy |
| 06:33.46 | Okee | buu> I am a newbie so I am still learning how to do this stuff. |
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| 06:35.05 | buu | Okee: I would imagine it would be deb http://repo.wuala.com wheezy stable |
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| 06:35.56 | Imbue | centrx: how can I do that? make pcspkr.conf inside initrd/etc/modprobe.d/? |
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| 06:35.58 | Okee | buu> Ok. Thanks. Well signing off. I need my beauty rest. |
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| 06:36.38 | centrx | Imbue, I don't know how to do it with the installer. That is how it is done on an installed system. |
| 06:37.08 | Imbue | centrx, OK. on an installed system there is no beep, though. |
| 06:37.21 | Imbue | the installer beeps loudly as the first thing it does |
| 06:37.40 | Imbue | which seems utterly ridiculous to me and I have no idea why anyone would want that 'feature' |
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| 06:48.31 | Imbue | hmm. some mention online about 'remove ^G' in the boot menu title |
| 06:48.42 | Imbue | i don't know what ^G is, but I see this nonstandard character |
| 06:48.43 | Imbue | menu title Debian GNU/Linux installer boot menu |
| 06:48.59 | Imbue | does not paste into irc... shows in gedit |
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| 06:52.15 | Imbue | meh, i will just wait until housemates are awake |
| 06:52.26 | mrdeb | can someone tell me why when u install deb 7.4 and check desktop it doesnt install desktop but only x |
| 06:52.30 | mrdeb | used image writer to usb |
| 06:53.26 | Imbue | whoever decided PC speaker beep to alert you that your system can indeed boot a cd was a good idea, i have to hand it to this person, they have probably caused the end of marriages |
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| 06:54.30 | mrdeb | y |
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| 06:55.39 | Imbue | mrdeb: is this CD image or DVD? |
| 06:55.52 | Imbue | if i recall 650mb is not enough for gnome |
| 06:56.07 | Imbue | if you use netinstall it should work though |
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| 06:58.44 | mrdeb | imbue cd 1 |
| 06:58.50 | mrdeb | yes it is |
| 06:59.02 | mrdeb | it includes gnome and i wrote it to usb stick |
| 06:59.22 | mrdeb | and when at install it tells you to check desktop environ and base system, both are checkec but gnome is not installed |
| 06:59.24 | mrdeb | should be |
| 06:59.31 | mrdeb | on 64 bit 7.3 it works |
| 07:00.00 | mrdeb | is it bec i used imagewriter and not unetbootin |
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| 07:09.58 | unclezipper_ | Imbue: Just drop into a console and rmmod -f pcspkr |
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| 07:12.33 | plasma___ | I have a question related to testing, but #debian-next is invite only |
| 07:13.02 | plasma___ | there appears to be a bug in the iwlwifi-7560 driver on the new ThinkPad x240 hardware |
| 07:13.20 | plasma___ | I'm getting a "firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-7260-7.ucode (-2)" error, in dmesg |
| 07:13.30 | plasma___ | (7260-7, not 7560) |
| 07:13.49 | plasma___ | I can't figure out how to get more information than that. Anyone know how? |
| 07:14.02 | themill | (#debian-next is on irc.oftc.net) |
| 07:14.24 | plasma___ | Aha, thanks |
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| 07:25.25 | mrdeb | is iceweasel 24.3 is wheezy stable now |
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| 07:25.31 | mrdeb | it is telling me to upgrade |
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| 07:26.35 | mrdeb | can someone check |
| 07:26.44 | mrdeb | bec i just added mozilla repo but i can take it out |
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| 07:27.47 | rozie | mrdeb: check what? |
| 07:27.49 | mrdeb | wow |
| 07:27.57 | mrdeb | it is true and ppl said iit wouldnt happen |
| 07:28.05 | mrdeb | rozie: that iceweasel 24.3 is now in wheezy |
| 07:28.09 | mrdeb | vs 17 |
| 07:28.20 | mrdeb | so i dont need mozilla repo |
| 07:29.44 | rozie | 24 is pretty old |
| 07:30.05 | mrdeb | no it is esr |
| 07:30.19 | mrdeb | 17 was in there and ppl here said it would not come to wheezy, so i was right |
| 07:30.45 | rozie | http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 07:33.50 | themill | by "very old" you mean at least 15 minutes old, given the mozilla release schedule |
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| 07:34.05 | themill | mrdeb: 24 is an extended support release; ESRs are going to end up in stable at some stage. |
| 07:34.11 | themill | (as was 17) |
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| 07:36.59 | kj4 | l |
| 07:37.20 | mrdeb | themill: ppl here said 24 would not and i was right that it would |
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| 07:41.44 | xmetal | lol "very old" means like 9 versions back |
| 07:41.58 | xmetal | but that ... is only since October 2013 |
| 07:41.59 | xmetal | :P |
| 07:42.01 | mrdeb | 24 is good and new |
| 07:42.06 | xmetal | silly rapid releases |
| 07:42.13 | mrdeb | is it not perverted like new version |
| 07:42.25 | mrdeb | with ads |
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| 07:43.37 | xmetal | bbias |
| 07:43.44 | xmetal | switching to Debain |
| 07:43.52 | xmetal | er debian (i keep doing that) |
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| 07:49.19 | entity | guys, i have this problem where opencl spawns a nonfunctional zombie kernel thread |
| 07:49.28 | entity | and i'm getting messages like kernel:[29563.491520] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 23s! [Xorg:2670] |
| 07:49.43 | entity | this is 3.12-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.9-1 (2014-02-01) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:49.49 | entity | is this a kernel bug? |
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| 07:50.18 | xmetal | :) back |
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| 07:50.57 | entity | i can't kill the thread in any way |
| 07:51.17 | entity | or the process that spawned it |
| 07:51.28 | entity | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~xkrupick/misc/cpuusage.png |
| 07:51.29 | LtL | entity: the only way to kill a zombie is reboot |
| 07:51.56 | entity | hmm.. okay then, thanks i guess |
| 07:53.22 | LtL | entity: intel chip? |
| 07:53.29 | entity | no, amd i think |
| 07:54.05 | LtL | entity: i think theres a microcode package for amd chips too, thats my only suggestion |
| 07:54.13 | entity | amd athlon X II X2 370 |
| 07:54.19 | LtL | entity: AMD |
| 07:54.38 | entity | microcoda package? what do you mean |
| 07:54.45 | entity | -code* |
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| 07:55.29 | LtL | entity: try apt-get show amd64-microcode .. you might consider using it |
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| 07:55.52 | LtL | its a firmware package, enter at your own peril |
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| 07:56.34 | entity | i see, does it require reboot? |
| 07:57.00 | LtL | entity: i would thoroughly check logs for an offending process first. yes most firmwares require a reboot |
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| 07:58.26 | entity | well don't really know much about linux, no idea what an "offending" process is :/ |
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| 07:58.36 | entity | any chance you wanna help? :P through ssh |
| 07:58.56 | entity | i'm only logged in through ssh as well |
| 07:59.12 | LtL | entity: i think its a chip bug myself, that core 1 shouldnt be idle while core2 is pegged out.. imho |
| 08:00.01 | LtL | entity: does it happen often? |
| 08:00.13 | entity | each time i try to use opencl on the cpu |
| 08:00.40 | LtL | entity: maybe its not the chip's fault.. i dunno |
| 08:00.56 | LtL | im an intel guy.. |
| 08:01.32 | terabit | I'm an arm guy |
| 08:01.38 | entity | i guess all could be fixed if i can tell opencl it shouldn't use cpu at all |
| 08:02.01 | terabit | I use to be a mips guy :P |
| 08:02.02 | entity | i only want opencl on the gpu, but the program i'm using falls back to cpu when gpu fails for some reason |
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| 08:02.36 | LtL | entity: i'm not familiar with opencl |
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| 08:06.09 | entity | this is all incredibly complicated by the fact that if i restart the pc now, i can't ssh into it anymore |
| 08:06.25 | entity | someone has to come and physically reset the pc |
| 08:06.43 | entity | i checked the dmesg logs, it boots up under 10 seconds |
| 08:06.52 | entity | http://paste.debian.net/82140/ |
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| 08:07.42 | Yoshi1 | anyone know how to mount an encfs encrypted external drive? |
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| 08:13.33 | entity | i' installing that microcode package, getting loads of warnings W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw for module r8169 |
| 08:13.40 | entity | how bad is this? |
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| 08:14.51 | LtL | entity: looks like realtek NIC firmware its looking for. its not critical but i'd look into it |
| 08:15.28 | entity | what's that for? no idea what NIC is |
| 08:16.06 | LtL | entity: easy enough to install firmware-realtek - Binary firmware for Realtek wired and wireless network adapters |
| 08:16.08 | entity | oh, network interface |
| 08:16.13 | entity | nice, thanks |
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| 08:16.40 | LtL | entity: lspci -nn see what ethernet card you have, probably realtek |
| 08:17.31 | entity | 05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 09) |
| 08:17.36 | LtL | entity: lsmod will tell you if r8169 module is in use |
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| 08:17.57 | LtL | judd: pciid 10ec:8168 |
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| 08:17.58 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 08:18.12 | entity | LtL: yep it is |
| 08:18.24 | LtL | entity: lsmod |grep r8169 |
| 08:18.33 | entity | yep it shows up |
| 08:19.00 | LtL | entity: i would install the firmware for that nic |
| 08:19.02 | entity | i didn't get any more missing firmware warning when installing that realtek package |
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| 08:19.06 | entity | yup i did |
| 08:19.12 | entity | guess i'll try rebooting now |
| 08:19.31 | LtL | entity: set ssh to start on boot |
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| 08:19.45 | LtL | should by default |
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| 08:20.26 | entity | more details please :) what file, i don't have any login manager configured atm |
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| 08:20.35 | entity | running headless so i startx myself when i need it |
| 08:20.45 | LtL | entity: you dont need X |
| 08:21.02 | LtL | entity: can you reboot and ssh in? |
| 08:21.05 | entity | yup, where should i start ssh so it doesn't require anyone to log in or startx |
| 08:21.12 | entity | i dunno, sometimes i can |
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| 08:21.21 | entity | but if i get these kernel bugs and reboot then, i can't |
| 08:21.31 | entity | then if someone resets the pc, i can ssh into it anymore |
| 08:21.42 | entity | i had selected openssh server during debian install |
| 08:21.54 | entity | i can ssh into it again* |
| 08:22.23 | entity | when someone resets the pc, that is |
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| 08:22.44 | LtL | entity: on my gnome box, you need to login to the DE for networking, not sure *exactly* how to get around that without playing with update-rc.d |
| 08:23.26 | entity | i have some network manager always running |
| 08:23.33 | LtL | atleast i think i do, havent rebooted in ages |
| 08:23.35 | entity | hmm can't ssh into it anymore :/ |
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| 08:24.30 | LtL | entity: why do you have x on a headless server |
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| 08:25.27 | entity | adl (amd driver library) needs an x server running |
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| 08:25.37 | entity | to monitor gpu temps |
| 08:25.38 | LtL | ah |
| 08:25.46 | entity | guess i could do without that though |
| 08:25.53 | LtL | indeed |
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| 08:27.59 | LtL | entity: i've gotta sleep, skipped it last night. hopefully you can get it networked and someone here can assist you |
| 08:28.19 | entity | thanks, you helped a lot anyway LtL |
| 08:28.44 | LtL | entity: you're welcome, good luck :) |
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| 08:29.07 | silverraindog | #python |
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| 08:36.45 | entity | hmm.. could anyone help me setup some kind of script that would reboot the pc if no one connects to a tty in 5 minutes from statup |
| 08:36.55 | entity | strange request, i know, but i need it |
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| 09:01.32 | rotaticus | entity: something like "sleep 5m ; who | grep tty || reboot" ? im not sure how to find tty usage |
| 09:02.33 | entity | rotaticus: yeah exactly me neither |
| 09:02.44 | xmj | what if he connects through ssh like a normal person, and it's not called tty but pts ? |
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| 09:04.08 | entity | what output does who give when no one's logged in? :D |
| 09:04.35 | entity | maybe i can just grep who for a username |
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| 09:04.47 | entity | i only have one user on this system |
| 09:05.18 | entity | well, one "real" user |
| 09:05.20 | rotaticus | entity: have a try ... let a script like rc.local call who and write output to a file ... |
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| 09:07.33 | s1ck | Hi! I'm trying to run some X application on my homeserver which has gnome running and a screen connected. SO I ssh into the box and set DISPLAY and run the command but it always fails "unable to open display". Why is that? How do I fix this? |
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| 09:09.38 | entity | rotaticus: is it safe to put sleep into rc.local? |
| 09:09.46 | entity | it says it should return 0 in success |
| 09:09.59 | entity | or should i just start a second script from there |
| 09:10.06 | entity | yeah that seems safer |
| 09:10.52 | rotaticus | entity: a second script thats started with & ... also seems safer to me ... ;) just awake |
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| 09:13.03 | entity | hmm i suscpet it won't help me, i think, hmm |
| 09:13.06 | xmj | s1ck: permissions |
| 09:13.12 | entity | what can happen that would prevent the os from booting? |
| 09:13.19 | entity | but boots just fine after reset |
| 09:13.25 | s1ck | xmj, how? what? :D |
| 09:13.29 | entity | when i say not booting, i mean no dmesg log at all |
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| 09:14.04 | entity | can there be some bios warning or something? |
| 09:14.18 | entity | this is uefi bios :/ |
| 09:15.15 | rotaticus | entity: is that related to a script in rc.local? sry no uefi here |
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| 09:15.58 | entity | rotaticus: see i have this problem where i can't ssh into my pc anymore after having to restart due to a kernel zombie provess |
| 09:16.22 | entity | but when someone resets the pc manually, everything boots up fine a nd i can ssh again |
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| 09:17.23 | entity | so far i have been unable to get anyone to connect a screen to the pc to see what's going on :< |
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| 09:27.14 | rotaticus | a cron script would also be possible if you don't like the rc.local one |
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| 09:30.09 | rotaticus | but i'd say get rid of the zombie in the first place |
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| 09:31.04 | entity | rotaticus: like i said, i dont think debian boots at all |
| 09:31.10 | entity | no dmesg log |
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| 09:31.32 | entity | stupid eufi :/ |
| 09:31.40 | entity | i bet it's trying to be smart or something |
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| 09:32.53 | entity | but it's hard to diagnose... since you can't ssh at all and ppl who have access to the pc are only willing to do a reset |
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| 09:33.25 | Zap-W | hi |
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| 09:33.30 | xmj | s1ck: pretty sure it'll come down to permissions |
| 09:34.03 | xmj | s1ck: are you running the command as the same user that runs Xorg, and have read/write access to ~/.Xauthority? |
| 09:34.12 | xmj | or..whatever that same thing is called on freebsd |
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| 09:36.21 | s1ck | xmj, I had Xauthority changed, now it works. Thanks |
| 09:36.48 | xmj | s1ck: welcome ;-) |
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| 09:37.18 | xmj | (I like how all those X11/xorg issues transcend whatever UNIX you use.) |
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| 09:45.51 | sweb | i have problem with bind. it seems be for firewall http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4297122 |
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| 09:46.03 | sweb | i use ufw for set firewal |
| 09:46.17 | sweb | after i disable ufw via `ufw disable` |
| 09:46.25 | sweb | but it's seems be blocked |
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| 09:49.19 | jaami | hi, need help to fix path issue on debian. i am trying to run android project in eclipse and getting this file not found error No such file or directory' while attempting to get adb version from '/home/jaami/android/sdk/platform-tools/adb |
| 09:49.52 | jaami | the exist at the specified path but debian cannot find it. what is wrong with path ? |
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| 09:50.49 | jaami | the file exist at the location but debian cannot see the file, look like something is wrong with $PATH |
| 09:51.34 | entity | try echo $PATH |
| 09:51.42 | entity | does it include /home/jaami/android/sdk/platform-tools/ ? |
| 09:52.22 | jaami | echo $PATH shows /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/local/bin/node64/bin:/usr/local/bin/sublime:/home/jaami/android/sdk/platform-tools:/home/jaami/android/sdk/tools |
| 09:52.45 | entity | if not, edit .bashrc or something and add this: export PATH=$PATH:/home/jaami/android/sdk/platform-tools/ |
| 09:53.29 | entity | and you can't run adb devices? |
| 09:53.32 | babilen | judd: v android-tools-adb |
| 09:53.33 | judd | Package: android-tools-adb on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 4.2.2+git20130529-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.2.2+git20130529-3; sid: 4.2.2+git20130529-3 |
| 09:53.37 | babilen | jaami: fwiw ^^^ |
| 09:53.49 | jaami | yes, eclipse shows that error of file not found |
| 09:54.10 | jaami | babilen: what is that |
| 09:54.32 | entity | it's a bot, but idea what that was good for |
| 09:54.35 | entity | no idea* |
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| 09:54.48 | entity | jaami: just open up a terminal |
| 09:54.51 | entity | and type in adb |
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| 09:54.58 | jaami | terminal is open |
| 09:54.58 | babilen | jaami: adb as packaged by Debian, you'd have to enable wheezy-backports for it. The particular bot command I used shows versions of a package in the various releases |
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| 09:55.18 | entity | i think he already has adb |
| 09:55.46 | babilen | entity: Oh, for sure, but it has been packaged (with all the up and downsides) |
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| 09:55.51 | jaami | i typed adb in terminal but .. bash: /home/jaami/android/sdk/platform-tools/adb: No such file or directory |
| 09:55.54 | ovidiu-florin | Hello world |
| 09:55.59 | babilen | entity: or not ;) |
| 09:56.13 | entity | maybe you're just missing chmod +x on adb? |
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| 09:56.25 | entity | how did you install the android sdk? |
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| 09:56.45 | jaami | its not installed, just extacted |
| 09:56.55 | ovidiu-florin | I've just installed debian and it failed to install GRUB. So I chose to not use a bootloader. I still have GRUB from my previous installation. I can't figure out how to boot into the new system. |
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| 09:57.07 | entity | well, i just apt-got it, but you can try going to the dir |
| 09:57.18 | entity | do a ls, see if the adb is there |
| 09:57.52 | ovidiu-florin | the installer told me to use the /vmlinuz core and the /dev/mapper/VolGrp-p_root partition with root=/dev/mapper/VolGrp00-p_root |
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| 09:58.12 | ovidiu-florin | I use Software RAID1 and LVM |
| 09:58.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell fixmbr |
| 09:58.17 | entity | babilen: does that bot show packages in stable? |
| 09:58.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell ovidiu-florin -about fixmbr |
| 09:58.37 | jaami | ls shows adb api fastboot NOTICE.txtsource.properties systrace |
| 09:58.45 | entity | try chmod +x adb |
| 09:58.53 | jaami | adb is there at the path |
| 09:58.56 | jaami | ok |
| 09:59.08 | babilen | entity: It would if the package were in wheezy, yes. As you can see it has been packaged in wheezy-backports which you would have to configure explicitly. (cf. <wheezy-backports> -- /msg dpkg wheezy-backports) |
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| 09:59.10 | entity | now while in that dir, does .adb work? |
| 09:59.27 | jaami | no, same not found error |
| 09:59.40 | babilen | ovidiu-florin: Our bot send you some instructions on how to fix a broken bootloader. Could you run through them and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 09:59.50 | entity | babilen: i have android-tools-adb installed but haven't enabled backports |
| 10:00.12 | entity | apt-cache show does not show where does it come from? :/ |
| 10:00.28 | babilen | jaami: It would be ./adb and you'd have to make it executable. Also don't forget to create proper udev rules. All in all I'd recommend to simply install console-tools-adb from wheezy-backports. |
| 10:00.37 | babilen | entity: Which release are you tracking? |
| 10:00.41 | entity | jessie |
| 10:00.56 | ovidiu-florin | babilen: thank you |
| 10:01.07 | babilen | entity: Well, packages are backported *from* jessie so you, naturally, don't have to install it from there ;) |
| 10:01.08 | entity | yeah sry typo with that .adb |
| 10:01.23 | entity | cool, stable sucks |
| 10:01.29 | babilen | No, it doesn't. |
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| 10:01.38 | jaami | ./adb aslo shows same error ... bash: ./adb: No such file or directory |
| 10:01.38 | entity | it's too stable for my liking |
| 10:01.54 | jaami | so backport is what i need |
| 10:02.27 | babilen | entity: Be happy that you have a choice and can run the system like you want to. That doesn't mean that we should run thousands of production webservers, databases, desktops used to actually do work, ... on testing. |
| 10:02.56 | entity | well, it's called "testing" but i don't think it's unstable |
| 10:03.05 | babilen | jaami: I'd recommend that, but did you verify by now that adb is actually executable? |
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| 10:03.33 | jaami | yes babilen adb is executeable |
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| 10:03.54 | entity | then ./adb should at least print an error or something |
| 10:04.12 | entity | try :/home/jaami/android/sdk/platform-tools/adb |
| 10:04.16 | jaami | nothing except fr the no such file |
| 10:04.17 | babilen | entity: "stable" in the context of Debian simply means "not changing" hence "stable" and "unstable". "testing" is a tool that was created to allow us to create the next stable release and wasn't meant to be actually used by users. Remnants of that history can be seen in a lack of security support and package removals. |
| 10:04.27 | entity | jaami: without the : |
| 10:04.42 | jaami | ok |
| 10:04.51 | sweb | how can i shutting the firewall down. i need free network :( |
| 10:04.54 | sweb | ufw disable not work |
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| 10:05.18 | babilen | entity: It is okay to run it, but one has to be aware of its idiosyncrasies and it would, at this point in the release cycle, not make much sense to do so without being able to pull in packages from unstable too. (setting the default release to testing) |
| 10:05.19 | sweb | my dns not working |
| 10:05.22 | jaami | /home/jaami/android/sdk/platform-tools/adb |
| 10:05.26 | jaami | but same error |
| 10:05.40 | entity | well that's quite strange |
| 10:05.47 | entity | ls -l what flags does adb have? |
| 10:05.54 | babilen | jaami: Could you show us the output of "ls -l /home/jaami/android/sdk/platform-tools/adb" and of calling that on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 10:05.55 | entity | i mean permissions |
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| 10:06.28 | babilen | jaami: But then, why not install it from wheezy-backports and be done with it? (also with the udev rules) |
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| 10:06.58 | jaami | ls -l output ... http://paste.debian.net/82176/ |
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| 10:07.15 | jaami | yes babilen , let me know how to do it |
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| 10:07.45 | babilen | sweb: "ufw disable" should work. Mind pasting its output and that of "iptables-save" ? |
| 10:07.52 | jaami | really i dont know what is backport |
| 10:08.12 | _jacks | anyone know how to list line numbers using sed and print only lines that have a 2 or 3 in the line number? |
| 10:08.28 | entity | hmm you seem to have x flag set for everyone |
| 10:08.41 | entity | how can ./adb not work? |
| 10:08.47 | sweb | babilen: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4297305 |
| 10:09.03 | jaami | let me try again ./adb |
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| 10:09.23 | przemek | hello how to back from jessy to wheezy? |
| 10:09.26 | babilen | jaami: You are probably missing some libraries, but I'd still recommend to install it from backports. For that edit your sources.list and make it look like: http://paste.debian.net/82177/ - run "apt-get update" and then "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install android-tools-adb" |
| 10:09.35 | babilen | przemek: You'd have to reinstall the system. |
| 10:09.45 | przemek | babilen: doesn't sound good :/ |
| 10:10.06 | jaami | http://paste.debian.net/82178/ |
| 10:10.26 | babilen | przemek: Well, nobody forces you to do that. :D |
| 10:10.42 | Ritzton | how can I with vim copy paste a text which is bigger than the size of the screen ? |
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| 10:10.50 | jaami | ah, thanks for the command babilen , i must do it |
| 10:11.01 | babilen | jaami: yes, you are probably missing some libraries. Run "ldd /home/jaami/android/sdk/platform-tools/adb" but just install it from backports and be done with it. |
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| 10:11.23 | jaami | ldd will remove all? |
| 10:11.28 | babilen | sweb: I don't see "ufw disable" in there |
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| 10:11.36 | jaami | i want to remove existing folder |
| 10:11.43 | entity | no ldd will just print shared library dependencies |
| 10:11.43 | _jacks | im pretty sure i can use sed to list line numbers and a regex to match the pattern but i have no idea how |
| 10:11.47 | babilen | jaami: No, ldd with show dynamically linked libraries |
| 10:11.49 | _jacks | maybe someone knows how to do it with awk instead? |
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| 10:12.30 | jaami | it says ... not a dynamic executable |
| 10:12.50 | entity | where did you download this from? :P |
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| 10:13.48 | jaami | wget http://dl.google.com/android/adt/adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20131030.zip |
| 10:13.49 | sweb | babilen: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4297385 |
| 10:14.05 | babilen | sweb: But, fwiw, to clean this up: "iptables -F ; iptables -X ; iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT ; iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT ; iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT" |
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| 10:15.03 | babilen | sweb: But you probably want "ufw reset" -- Read its manpage! |
| 10:15.04 | dn4 | does debian us Gegenbauer polynomials ? |
| 10:15.16 | dn4 | s/us/use |
| 10:15.45 | babilen | dn4: No, we prefer lie groups |
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| 10:16.03 | jaami | entity: im doing as babilen said. must be some missing libs |
| 10:16.56 | dn4 | babilen, do you use lie groups with low temps of high temps? |
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| 10:22.38 | hunt | Hello everyone. I'm a current Ubuntu user planning on switching to Debian. If I were to install Debian testing now, as far as I understand it the init system would still be sysvinit. Once systemd is integrated would my installation automatically update to replace sysvinit with systemd or is that something that can only be done manually? |
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| 10:23.13 | entity | good question, i was wondering about that the other day |
| 10:24.01 | joltcan | hunt: I'm definitely not sure, but when debian adds something new, then it is surely integrated as a choice, and then there would be some kind of upgrade path. But I haven't really followed the mamoth of discussion about systemd |
| 10:24.09 | berarma | hunt: transitions are normally automatic but not without some glitches sometimes |
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| 10:26.13 | katana- | is it okay to ask about the flash player here? |
| 10:26.36 | berarma | hunt: Jessie should migrate users to systemd automatically and as flawlessly as possible when it's released, but testing might be a bumping road |
| 10:26.58 | berarma | katana-: if it's related to the Debian package then yes |
| 10:27.29 | katana- | yeah I installed it with that debian package, and I'm not sure if it's supposed to take so much CPU - there's a "fix" on the debian wiki which I tried but it did't have any effect |
| 10:27.45 | dn4 | debian is hackd |
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| 10:29.38 | hunt | berarma: I've also heard that systemd currently works via some kind of wrapper in debian. Is it likely that the update path in testing will make existing users use those wrappers or will I get all the possible benefits that come with systemd? |
| 10:29.46 | hunt | Thats propably a complicated question. |
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| 10:30.40 | berarma | hunt: I don't know, packagers will make it so it works best inside Debian |
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| 10:31.07 | berarma | hunt: what's your worry? |
| 10:32.30 | hunt | berarma: I dont want to install debian testing now only to discover that I have to reinstall it in a few weeks for the best result. Basically I'm wondering wether I should just wait a while before switching to debian. |
| 10:33.39 | berarma | hunt: you won't have to reinstall it unless your system becomes a mess because you don't know how to fix problems in testing |
| 10:33.47 | berarma | if you want stability install Debian stable |
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| 10:35.25 | hunt | berarma: I'm not concerned about stability, I can deal with that. I'm just concerned about any effort that might have been wasted. |
| 10:35.36 | hunt | Anyway, I appreciate the help. Thanks everyone. |
| 10:35.41 | berarma | you should read about testing |
| 10:36.09 | berarma | I didn't mean to sound rude, just be sure to understand what testing is and how it works before using it for your daily work |
| 10:36.15 | berarma | !testing |
| 10:36.16 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 10:36.41 | Trewas666 | hunt: there will probably be no concrete changes soon (few weeks/months) regarding systemd |
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| 10:43.03 | Ritzton | why debian vim package doesn't have clipboard option ?? |
| 10:43.44 | berarma | katana-: which fix? |
| 10:44.09 | katana- | on this page https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer where it says to create /etc/adobe/mms.cfg |
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| 10:48.42 | berarma | katana-: I can't help you, it might be a Flash bug or try different configs, try enabling HW accel and the cache settings at the end of the page. Make sure you restart the browser after changes. |
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| 10:49.07 | berarma | Ritzton: which clipboard option? |
| 10:49.35 | katana- | okay thanks! |
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| 11:24.36 | przemek | did you have debian iso merged with newest kernel ? |
| 11:24.49 | przemek | stable? |
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| 11:30.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, kmuto |
| 11:30.39 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 11:37.29 | neglesaks | is "end task" in the System Monitor a "gentle way" to quit a program or process? |
| 11:37.31 | ovidiu-florin | While trying to install Debian using this iso http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso, I have 2 80G HDD, and I've set up a Software RAID1, with LVM. At the bootloader installation, it failes to install GRUB2 to /dev/sda. What should I do? |
| 11:37.47 | shredder_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.48 | ovidiu-florin | it should actually install it to /dev/sdb |
| 11:37.52 | ovidiu-florin | how can I change this? |
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| 11:39.08 | shredder_ | did i miss anything? |
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| 11:40.06 | katana- | flash play is constantly crashing when multiple instances open |
| 11:40.11 | katana- | plugin* |
| 11:40.26 | frostschutz | ovidiu-florin, fdisk -l? |
| 11:41.21 | ovidiu-florin | frostschutz: how can I copy it from there? |
| 11:41.25 | ovidiu-florin | it's huge. |
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| 11:42.52 | ovidiu-florin | I have sda (the flash drive where the iso is), sdb1 and sdc1 RAID partitions, md0 RAID1 drive, which is reported to not have a valid partition table |
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| 11:43.01 | ovidiu-florin | and the 3 lvm partitions |
| 11:43.08 | ovidiu-florin | swap, root and home |
| 11:43.22 | ovidiu-florin | they all say that they don't have a valid partition table |
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| 11:45.07 | noirx_ | hi |
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| 11:45.53 | frostschutz | ovidiu-florin, what's the start of sd[bc]1? |
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| 11:46.05 | noirx_ | how can i check my debian version please |
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| 11:47.24 | ovidiu-florin | frostschutz: 2048 |
| 11:47.25 | katana- | noirx_, lsb_release -a |
| 11:47.49 | noirx_ | 0k katty |
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| 11:49.14 | noirx_ | what is the latest verion on debian, stable |
| 11:49.20 | neglesaks | 7.4 |
| 11:49.25 | noirx_ | ok |
| 11:49.28 | noirx_ | tnx |
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| 11:49.34 | neglesaks | look at topic for more info |
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| 11:50.55 | frostschutz | ovidiu-florin, that should be fine; usually grub should ask you which drives to install to. not sure why it doesn't do that for you, sorry. if that's the only step missing, you could use a live cd, chroot, and dpkg-reconfigure grub from there |
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| 11:51.35 | noirx_ | i just installed debian from netinstall, i switched from slackware to debian, it seems a great choice |
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| 11:53.15 | noirx_ | i miss in debian 7.4 many software that should be installed , but i appreciate the snaptic package manager |
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| 11:56.20 | petern_ | noirx_, "should be" installed? |
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| 11:56.31 | petern_ | i dunno, i like a minimal install. |
| 11:56.48 | katana- | I love that debian installer fits on a CD rom these days |
| 11:56.53 | katana- | what genius thought of hat |
| 11:56.55 | katana- | that* |
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| 11:59.17 | petern_ | Hmm, I always use the netinstaller. |
| 11:59.23 | noirx_ | petern_, i mean , when i install slackware, i get so much software installed, but now with debian, it is a minimum install, maybe cuz i did netinstall |
| 11:59.47 | noirx_ | even vim isnt installed |
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| 12:00.17 | AimHere | Quite right too! Keep your hard drive free from unclean thoughts |
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| 12:01.19 | sergicles | hi all, trying to connect to a WAP, password protected wifi AP from command line, did: iwconfig wlan1 essid myhomeap key s:myasciikey - nothing |
| 12:01.28 | sergicles | then tried dhclient wlan1 - nothing |
| 12:01.37 | noirx_ | i really respect debian, i think it will be my choice, even i ll love slackware too |
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| 12:02.49 | sergicles | any tips on how to connect to an access point from command line? Specifically FROM command line, without adding essid and key into interfaces file, (this is my mobile machine, so changing interfaces file every time I access an AP is going to get old and probably error prone) |
| 12:02.50 | bw_ | sergicles: you mean WEP or WPA? |
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| 12:03.03 | sergicles | bw_: worry, ye - wpa |
| 12:03.11 | sergicles | *sorry |
| 12:03.20 | Hebbel | can anyone help me mount a fresh usb hard disk on debian ? |
| 12:03.22 | Hebbel | plz :) |
| 12:03.24 | sergicles | bah, auto correct gone wild |
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| 12:03.53 | nabblet | Hebbel: do you have a gui available or only command line? |
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| 12:03.56 | Ritzton | I can't manage to write any accent in vim, someone could tell me what I am missing ? |
| 12:03.57 | sergicles | Hebbel: it should just do it, check if it has (command: mount) |
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| 12:04.13 | bw_ | you need wpa_supplicant for wpa |
| 12:04.16 | nabblet | Ritzton: accents |
| 12:04.20 | sergicles | bw_: uh |
| 12:04.24 | nabblet | sorry :) |
| 12:04.24 | Hebbel | I get an error : cant mount superblock .... yes i have gui |
| 12:04.33 | Hebbel | i tried gparted |
| 12:04.34 | sergicles | bw_: k, going to install and tweak that - thanks |
| 12:04.37 | bw_ | sergicles: if you like CLI, check out wicd-curses |
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| 12:04.43 | Ritzton | nabblet> ? |
| 12:04.55 | bw_ | its a lightweight network manager with cli/curses interface |
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| 12:05.32 | sergicles | bw_: i have actually, but i am pretty sure i need supplicant... that said, i actually have 2 wifi dongles in there, one is AP - works fine, the other i want to connect to another AP (bridging later, but anyway) |
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| 12:05.39 | sergicles | bw_: will report back :) |
| 12:05.42 | noirx_ | try wicd |
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| 12:06.10 | nabblet | Ritzton: it was a stupid, not-helpful comment. nevermind. productive question: does the rest of your OS know accents? maybe it's just the terminal. or keyboard layout |
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| 12:07.38 | Hebbel | anyone ? help with mounting plz ? |
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| 12:08.46 | tomodachi | Hebbel: dont ask if you can ask, just ask the question directly |
| 12:09.47 | Hebbel | can anyone help me mount a fresh usb hard disk on debian ? |
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| 12:11.17 | debguy | upgraded to jessie and my screen resolution is way too low |
| 12:11.19 | tomodachi | Hebbel: have you created a filesystem on your device? |
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| 12:12.21 | tomodachi | debguy: where? in your tty or in the desktop environment? |
| 12:12.29 | debguy | tomodachi: DE |
| 12:12.35 | sergicles | bw_: wicd_curses seems to freeze everything, i think it trys to use AP wifi dongle, rather than the other one |
| 12:12.35 | Hebbel | tomodachi: its a fresh hard disk, not partitinned |
| 12:13.10 | Hebbel | tomodachi: when i try to mount it, it says cant read superblock |
| 12:14.23 | tomodachi | debguy: type xrandr in terminal it should provde you with a list of reslutions you can pick from |
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| 12:14.31 | tomodachi | the one with a * will be the on you are using currently |
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| 12:14.40 | tomodachi | Hebbel: you need to create a filesystem on it first |
| 12:14.56 | debguy | tomodachi: yeah already tried that but the maximum resolution is 1280X1024 |
| 12:15.03 | debguy | tomodachi: how do I set a new one |
| 12:15.24 | tomodachi | debguy: what gfx card do you have? |
| 12:15.34 | debguy | radeon |
| 12:15.39 | tomodachi | :) |
| 12:16.14 | tomodachi | they have given me nothing but pain eventhoug it was years ago i tried them. check if you can use the proprietera drivers perhaps? |
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| 12:16.42 | Imbue | hm, playing around with non-desktop environment install |
| 12:16.50 | Imbue | gnome is very heavy! |
| 12:16.54 | tomodachi | Hebbel: simplest would be to use gparted to create a partition and then a filesystem on it |
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| 12:16.58 | debguy | tomodachi: I believe that's what I need but what do |
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| 12:17.28 | Ritzton | please would you know why my vim is not able to display accent ? |
| 12:18.48 | sergicles | bw_: not happening for me.. |
| 12:19.14 | sergicles | any ideas how to connect to connect to WPA password protected access point from command line - one liner, without editing any files? |
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| 12:25.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sergicles about wpa |
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| 12:26.14 | olf-folks | if i do https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections "Bridging with a wireless NIC" do i keep or remove the eth0 & wlan0 lines in network/interfaces file? |
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| 12:27.47 | Hebbel | tomodachi: done that. logical ext4 now? |
| 12:27.56 | sergicles | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:28.32 | debguy | so can anyone help me with my resolution? |
| 12:28.47 | sergicles | abrotman: but this still doesn't answer my question, i have no issues connecting when interfaces are configured. I am asking how to do it with a 'one liner' from command line... |
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| 12:29.58 | abrotman | sergicles: can you not use wpasupplicant and ifup? |
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| 12:31.15 | sergicles | abrotman: I can if the '/etc/network/interfaces' file is setup and has essid and key - i want to do that from command line, and keep interfaces file empty since i connect to a lot of random access points |
| 12:31.55 | sergicles | abrotman: ergo, actual question is not how do i connect or establish a connection, question is - how to do that from command line without editing the 'interfaces' file |
| 12:32.18 | abrotman | sergicles: I thought someone mentioned wicd-curses, not sufficient either? |
| 12:32.22 | abrotman | or nm-cli ? |
| 12:32.28 | themill | sergicles: at some stage you're reinventing network-manager (or wicd) |
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| 12:35.09 | sergicles | abrotman: wicd-curses looks awesome, but freezes everything |
| 12:35.45 | sergicles | themill: well, if there is no way to do it, then it's not really reinventing, improving perhaps ;) |
| 12:36.27 | sergicles | i am trying to do this on raspberry pi, shouldn't matter but who knows |
| 12:36.49 | themill | sergicles: well there is a way and that's to use the tools that exist. |
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| 12:37.02 | sergicles | themill: OK |
| 12:37.26 | abrotman | sergicles: so, nm-cli ? |
| 12:37.42 | hid3 | Is there any way to customize timeout and retry values when running `ssh` command? Currently it times out after ~1min6s and I'm not sure how many times it retries |
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| 12:38.14 | hid3 | e.g.: ssh myuser@<host_which_is_down> <-- this times out after 1m6s |
| 12:38.30 | sergicles | abrotman: what pkg is it in? |
| 12:38.44 | themill | , file bin/nmcli |
| 12:38.49 | judd | Search for bin/nmcli in wheezy/i386: network-manager: usr/bin/nmcli; network-manager-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/nmcli |
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| 12:39.29 | themill | hid3: ssh has various timeout options -- see ssh_config(5) |
| 12:40.09 | sergicles | abrotman: themill don't seem to have it, could be due to Raspbian GNU/Linux 7 ? No idea... Still looking |
| 12:40.16 | sergicles | (and no X by the way) |
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| 12:40.42 | abrotman | ... |
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| 12:41.04 | themill | sergicles: raspbian help is in #raspbian not #debian; raspbian has a network-manager package. |
| 12:41.12 | hid3 | so it seems like it uses timeout and retry values from TCP settings.. There is a custom timeout value for ssh, but no custom retries count... |
| 12:42.44 | sergicles | should be more or less the same though |
| 12:43.01 | themill | sergicles: except that debian doesn't have the problem you describe |
| 12:43.09 | Hebbel | can anyne please help me with formatting ext4 usb hard disk and mounting it in debian plz ? |
| 12:43.18 | themill | dpkg: tell sergicles about based on debian |
| 12:43.41 | sergicles | themill: you mean, you haven't had the problem I've descryibed? |
| 12:43.43 | sergicles | :) |
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| 12:44.23 | hid3 | Hebbel: slightly off topic, but why did you decide to go with ext4? |
| 12:44.36 | sergicles | ...but rasbian channel it is |
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| 12:45.11 | themill | sergicles: debian has a network-manager package. Please don't abuse the good will of other channels for solving problems unrelated to that distribution |
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| 12:46.28 | Hebbel | hid3: i thought it was the best one to use ... what should i be using ? |
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| 12:48.05 | ghostrat | how to play games with steam on debian wheezy x64 please? |
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| 12:48.45 | ghostrat | I can run steam but the games wont start |
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| 12:49.36 | hid3 | Hebbel: there's nothing you *should* do in this life, it's a free choice of everyone. I'd go with XFS instead (avoids long FSCKs) |
| 12:49.52 | themill | eh? |
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| 12:50.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hebbel, ext4 should be fine... you just make _very_ sure that you have the correct emtpy partition of your new drive, then do e.g. mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1 (where /dev/sdb1 is supposed to be the first partition of your new drive... make sure that it's no drive in use, as all information will be erased) |
| 12:50.58 | Hebbel | hid3: can you guide me thru it ? please ? would it hold large files ... about 45 gigs per file ? |
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| 12:51.48 | Hebbel | CutMeOwnThroat: and then how do i mount it ? |
| 12:51.59 | Hebbel | CutMeOwnThroat: its sda1 |
| 12:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hebbel, if you want to have it mounted permanently, edit /etc/fstab to contain the file... e.g. add (to mount it on /mnt): /dev/sda1 /mnt ext4 defaults 0 1 |
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| 12:54.37 | Hebbel | CutMeOwnThroat: and then it will be kind f plug and play hard drive ? |
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| 12:55.24 | triski_ | xfs Max. file size 8 exbibytes |
| 12:55.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | that is meant for a permanent drive... it's mounted at boot |
| 12:55.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you can immediately mount it with mount /dev/sda1 |
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| 12:56.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | (all other info should then come from fstab) |
| 12:56.41 | triski_ | 8 exbibytes files, is enough to hold 4k Youtube site? :-D |
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| 12:58.22 | Hebbel | CutMeOwnThroat: I havea fstab.d folder, its empty. norma? |
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| 12:59.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you didn't put anything into it... yes? |
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| 12:59.39 | przemek | hello from where I can download the newest kernel for debian , I mean ftp server |
| 13:00.19 | abrotman | przemek: which version of Debian are you using? |
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| 13:01.01 | przemek | from where I can download lastest kernel ? |
| 13:01.05 | przemek | s |
| 13:01.26 | triski_ | przemek: try from ftp://ftp.debian.org/ |
| 13:01.50 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 13:01.52 | themill | przemek: that depends on what release of Debian you are using. |
| 13:01.56 | abrotman | przemek: which version of Debian |
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| 13:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | stable... that's at least what he asked for 2h ago :-/ |
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| 13:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | for the installer, as far as I thought to understand |
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| 13:10.48 | przemek | HEllo |
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| 13:11.17 | przemek | from where I can download last stable kernel for debian, I ask for ftp server not apt-get update ... |
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| 13:13.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell przemek about wheezy-backports |
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| 13:13.57 | dariopnc | hi everyone I'm having a problem at shutdown: it takes ages and when I boot windows my sound card doesn't work right (i suppose it has to do with hybrid graphics), how can I diagnose and possibly solve my issue? |
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| 13:15.22 | przemek | abrotman: checkin this thx |
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| 13:18.09 | olf-folks | am i doing this brige wrong? http://paste.debian.net/82192/ |
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| 13:36.26 | jaami | i updated backport and then used this command ... apt-get -t wheezy-backports install android-tools-adb .... but i see same error .. no such fileor directory. adb is not running |
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| 13:37.56 | jaami | here is output http://paste.debian.net/82197/ ... can someone see what wrong i did ? |
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| 13:38.52 | ignucious | anybody here using a Radeon GPU on debian jessie? |
| 13:39.06 | abrotman | lots of people |
| 13:39.11 | joj | ignucious: unstable here, jessie++ |
| 13:39.17 | ignucious | why can't it run without non-free? |
| 13:39.35 | joj | ignucious: it runs just fine with the FOSS driver. Performance is another question. |
| 13:39.48 | abrotman | ignucious: requires firmware |
| 13:40.18 | ignucious | abrotman: I used it just fine on wheezy, updated to jessie, nothing worked, and I had to install non-free |
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| 13:40.37 | abrotman | Firmware |
| 13:41.08 | ignucious | abrotman: yeah |
| 13:41.34 | ignucious | joj: are you using FOSS driver? |
| 13:41.50 | joj | ignucious: *what* didn't work. If X11 can't load the radeon driver, it should fall back to VESA. |
| 13:42.20 | ignucious | joj: my resolution was all screwed up |
| 13:42.42 | ignucious | joj: tried everything and then had to install non-free, everything works perfectly now |
| 13:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaami, why do you think there should be an /etc/apt/adb? There's /usr/bin/adb |
| 13:43.05 | jaami | i want to run android / eclipse and emulator on debian but debian does not see existing executeable |
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| 13:43.26 | jaami | oh, ok |
| 13:43.36 | jaami | wait please let me check |
| 13:44.11 | joj | ignucious: probably because firmware-linux-nonfree is necessary. https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 13:44.48 | jaami | CutMeOwnThroat: i see same error on /usr/bin |
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| 13:45.20 | jaami | debian certainly cant see my adb no matter what folder |
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| 13:45.41 | chmod400 | So whenever I try and sudo apt-get install anything, I get this massive.. well.. problem? http://pastebin.com/YfkRtPcn |
| 13:46.16 | jaami | CutMeOwnThroat: what i do now? |
| 13:46.21 | ignucious | joj: so that's just a jessie thing? |
| 13:46.33 | chmod400 | http://pastebin.com/eZB1bdrb Here's my /etc/apt/preferences |
| 13:46.49 | abrotman | chmod400: how is that a problem? |
| 13:47.07 | jaami | CutMeOwnThroat: look like the suggestion is good for debian though |
| 13:47.08 | chmod400 | I don't want to be told that I should auto remove everything on my system...? |
| 13:47.16 | abrotman | chmod400: then put the gnome metapackage back |
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| 13:47.38 | jaami | CutMeOwnThroat: i had real hard time setting path |
| 13:47.54 | chmod400 | Gnome metapackage? I didn't remove anything |
| 13:47.55 | jaami | still trying to make it work somehow |
| 13:47.58 | Hebbel | Hey there. Trying mkfs -t ext4 /dev/sda1 and still get : too big for a filesystem with 0 nodes |
| 13:48.00 | Hebbel | . |
| 13:48.02 | chmod400 | http://pastebin.com/ivppyW49 is my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:48.03 | abrotman | chmod400: aptitude install gnome |
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| 13:48.34 | joj | ignucious: don't know. Because a) I've always been using Sid, b) always have to enable non-free due to my machines being laptops, and required firmware for wireless lan etc. |
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| 13:49.00 | chmod400 | abrotman: Presented with this: http://pastebin.com/6DFEzbC9 |
| 13:49.30 | abrotman | okay? |
| 13:49.37 | ignucious | joj: ugghh I really hate proprietary software but I'll guess it'll have to do for now |
| 13:49.40 | jaami | is there easy way to fix path issue n debian? |
| 13:49.51 | abrotman | path issue? |
| 13:49.58 | jaami | yes |
| 13:50.10 | jaami | debian is blind |
| 13:50.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaami, just call "adb" without ./ in front |
| 13:50.29 | xand | jaami: more likely user error - what is the problem exactly? |
| 13:50.33 | jaami | does not see my existing executeable that i can see with my eyes on the same path |
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| 13:50.41 | abrotman | jaami: in which path? |
| 13:50.42 | jaami | ok i try |
| 13:50.59 | jaami | bash: /home/jaami/android/sdk/platform-tools/adb: No such file or directory |
| 13:51.07 | jaami | that was simple adb |
| 13:51.17 | jaami | it not gona work, i did try many times many ways |
| 13:51.25 | xand | jaami: what is the location of adb? and what is your $PATH? |
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| 13:51.28 | xand | (echo $PATH) |
| 13:51.34 | jaami | that is why i think path is messed up |
| 13:51.50 | jaami | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/local/bin/node64/bin:/usr/local/bin/sublime:/home/jaami/android/sdk/platform-tools:/home/jaami/android/sdk/tools |
| 13:52.10 | xand | and where's adb? |
| 13:52.12 | jaami | i just installed backport and adnrdoid tools few minutes ago |
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| 13:52.13 | abrotman | jaami: and if you just type "adb" ? |
| 13:52.43 | jaami | abrotman: no matter if i type full path or just adb or ./adb , i get same error |
| 13:52.48 | abrotman | which is? |
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| 13:54.16 | jaami | http://paste.debian.net/82202/ here is output |
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| 13:54.31 | jaami | can you guys believe me that path is messed up somehow. |
| 13:54.35 | abrotman | no |
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| 13:54.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 13:54.48 | jaami | hmm |
| 13:54.55 | jaami | that is not funny, |
| 13:55.00 | abrotman | I'm not joking |
| 13:55.16 | jaami | im trying to fix this for many days |
| 13:55.39 | xand | when are you going to say where adb is? |
| 13:55.40 | joj | ignucious: I am not a fan either; but unfortunately the HD6320 in my netbook is still not fast enough under the FOSS driver, and because the system has not the resources to compensate for lacking accel with CPU power ... I _have_ to use the GPU on this one :) |
| 13:55.48 | abrotman | xand: he has already |
| 13:55.49 | jaami | i did something to path 2 months ago |
| 13:55.54 | xand | when? |
| 13:56.00 | jaami | oh |
| 13:56.02 | abrotman | earlier ... |
| 13:56.14 | abrotman | jaami: pastebin dpkg -L android-tools-adb |
| 13:56.37 | xand | I don't see it |
| 13:56.47 | abrotman | thought he did .. |
| 13:56.56 | jaami | just a minute please |
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| 13:57.52 | xand | abrotman: what is it then? |
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| 13:58.24 | jaami | http://paste.debian.net/82205/ please see this |
| 13:58.34 | abrotman | xand: let's find out! |
| 13:58.45 | abrotman | jaami: so it's in /usr/bin/adb ... |
| 13:58.53 | jaami | im sorry my speed is down these rainy days |
| 14:00.13 | jaami | i installed adb through backport update , really dont know where it was installed, but the bundle i extracted has adb in it that you can see in the pastebin |
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| 14:01.01 | micw | hi |
| 14:01.14 | jaami | so i assume that adb is in two places , one that was instaaled with apt-get and other adb that i extracted from bundle of android |
| 14:01.26 | micw | is there a chance to get libfreetype6 package version >=2.5 for wheezy? |
| 14:01.51 | jaami | but really, debian is bind |
| 14:01.53 | micw | there are some in sid/testing. can i simply recompile them on wheezy? |
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| 14:02.56 | jaami | abrotman: yes, i see adb here -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 156296 Aug 9 2013 /usr//bin/adb |
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| 14:03.48 | jaami | hmm, should i expect any help if my english is not too bad? |
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| 14:04.06 | jaami | or the last thing to do is to get rid of debian or reinstall it? |
| 14:04.59 | jaami | no answer means to me go to hell :) |
| 14:05.13 | jaami | lol |
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| 14:05.24 | n-st | i just rsync'd about 2.5 TB from one external harddrive to another and although the file lists are identical, one hdd (ext3, the source drive) has 358 GB of free space left while the other one (ext4) still has 391 GB. how is that possible? |
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| 14:06.44 | jaami | abrotman: xand !!!! anyone there ready to help ? |
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| 14:07.50 | xand | try hash -d adb |
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| 14:08.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you can always call it as /usr/bin/adb |
| 14:08.59 | jaami | xand: was it that simple? what that magic command did? it worked now |
| 14:09.12 | xand | that removed the bash-remembered location of that file... |
| 14:09.20 | jaami | hmm |
| 14:09.32 | jaami | can i run my extracted adb ? |
| 14:09.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | and if you feel like reinstalling with something else will solve all your problems and end poverty etc., then you should probably do it |
| 14:09.50 | jaami | or do i really need to use the one from android bundle? |
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| 14:11.10 | jaami | hmm |
| 14:11.17 | padma | Hello. I have some issues with the suspend option. I run i3 window manager on my wheezy. But when I connect my external hard disk and use it, I am not able to suspend it. Any way to solve this problem? Thanks. |
| 14:11.32 | jaami | thank you. !!! |
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| 14:14.49 | absh | hi |
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| 14:15.14 | absh | what determines the number for starting sequence in a init script for a particular run level |
| 14:16.00 | absh | i created a pkg which depends on apache to start. But the init script under rc2.d is numbered less than apache |
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| 14:16.23 | absh | how do i change that or what determines the number ? |
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| 14:21.13 | dvs | absh: how did yo create the link in rc2.d? |
| 14:21.51 | absh | i configured by update-rc.d |
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| 14:24.01 | dvs | absh: Then you specify the number using the same command. |
| 14:24.34 | mauww | what is a good burning program for debian? |
| 14:24.42 | mauww | can i burn with dd? |
| 14:25.52 | mauww | ok found one |
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| 14:26.23 | HicksD | cli? If not I've used xfburn and brasero |
| 14:26.37 | simpleirc1 | Yeah |
| 14:26.38 | mauww | HicksD: yea |
| 14:26.42 | dvs | GUI or command line? |
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| 14:27.40 | flux242 | burn dd burn! |
| 14:27.45 | mauww | ^^ |
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| 14:29.18 | mauww | i need to repartionate an hdd which is in hfs+ format (appleshit) and to get the hdd to dual boot windows extern on my system |
| 14:29.39 | mauww | is it even possible? |
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| 14:30.01 | abrotman | mauww: how is tha trelated to Debian? |
| 14:30.15 | mauww | can my grub2 on my debian machine recognize the plugged in hdd |
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| 14:31.38 | mauww | i really got no clue to handle this smartly |
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| 14:31.58 | mauww | or if its even possible :/ |
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| 14:32.15 | kale | hi i'm trying to install grub, but it says "found two disks with the index 0 for raid md/1 |
| 14:32.40 | kale | this is related to this bug: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2011-09/msg00034.html |
| 14:32.47 | kale | but what can i do to get grub installed? |
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| 14:40.13 | Bombo | hi |
| 14:40.15 | frostschutz | kale, did you tell grub to install on the md device? maybe installing on the sda, sdb instead would work. you could change the superblock version to 1.0 but it's a bit dangerous to do so... |
| 14:40.46 | Bombo | what's the latest version of mplayer supported by wheezy? |
| 14:40.52 | kale | frostschutz: i told it to install on /dev/sda |
| 14:41.14 | mtn | Bombo: http://packages.debian.org |
| 14:41.18 | kale | frostschutz: but now, i'm wondering, cause the raid is still syncing, so this might fix itself when the sync is done? |
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| 14:41.55 | frostschutz | kale, shouldn't be related to sync. pastebin your /proc/mdstat? |
| 14:42.00 | pav5088 | themill, I've discovered two of my problems. |
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| 14:42.19 | frostschutz | kale, if it's a new raid you should be using 1.2 metadata already, so the issue you linked to does not apply |
| 14:42.36 | kale | frostschutz: oh, ok, its indeed v1.2 |
| 14:42.55 | kale | frostschutz: its a new installation, so we can do crazy stuff ... |
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| 14:43.36 | frostschutz | kale, mdadm --detail /dev/md and mdadm --examine /dev/disk? |
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| 14:44.03 | kale | frostschutz: http://pastie.org/8736323 |
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| 14:45.12 | kale | frostschutz: http://pastie/8736329 |
| 14:45.22 | kale | heh, forgot .org |
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| 14:47.59 | frostschutz | it found some old 0.90 metadata Creation Time : Sat Jan 1 02:43:31 2005 |
| 14:48.08 | frostschutz | maybe that is causing your issue |
| 14:48.48 | kale | frostschutz: yes, the disks have been used for another installation. and the partitions are the same, so there might be some old remnants left, would i need to remove that? |
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| 14:50.25 | frostschutz | kale, can you do the --examine for sda1, sda2 and parted /dev/sda unit s print free? |
| 14:51.05 | kale | when i tried to install debian, the installer misunderstood med and made the from sda rather than sda1, so that might be where it comes from |
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| 14:51.26 | jaami | the android bundle got the sdk folder and the sdk folder got adb in it that eclipse need to use when project is created in eclipse. but debian does not see that adb inside sdk folder. how do i tell debian to use the adb from the sdk path instead of /usr/bin? |
| 14:52.05 | kale | jaami: edit your path, or link to it from /usr/bin/ |
| 14:52.30 | jaami | have to use the sdk path because project in eclipse is not complied without it |
| 14:52.30 | jaami | compiled |
| 14:53.19 | kale | frostschutz: i just concatenated the info http://pastie.org/8736348 |
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| 14:53.55 | jaami | i used hash -d /home/jaami/android/sdk/platform-tools/adb but getting error no such file |
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| 14:55.09 | kale | jaami: is this only your user that want this adb in the path? |
| 14:55.31 | jaami | i want to edit path, please tell me wich file to chnage for path |
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| 14:57.09 | jaami | i cannot link it from /usr/bin because the sdk folder also has other executeables that eclipse may need |
| 14:57.10 | jaami | which file to change to set path? |
| 14:57.40 | kale | jaami: eclipse will finde the executables without setting a path |
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| 14:57.53 | frostschutz | kale, do you have lvm on the md1? |
| 14:58.08 | jaami | i think i should chage path globally for both user and root |
| 14:58.13 | kale | frostschutz: its disk -> raid -> crypt -> lvm -> fs |
| 14:58.22 | jaami | it does not matter because i am the user and root |
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| 14:59.19 | kale | frostschutz: i tried "mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda" and got "couldnt open /dev/sda for writing, not zeroing" |
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| 14:59.56 | kale | jaami: where did you put your android SDK files? |
| 15:00.26 | frostschutz | kale, the zero-superblock should work, the question is whether the end of sda is also the end of your partition, so the zero might damage filesystem on it... but with LVM it should be fine, it usually has some not usable space at the end, or won't have those PE allocated if it's not full yet |
| 15:00.29 | jaami | kale: eclipse find path but for example if i do this in terminal with root access /home/jaami/android/sdk/platform-tools/adb then i get error No such file |
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| 15:01.14 | kale | frostschutz: yes i agree, but i always keep a bit of space at the end of the disk, so when the disk dies, and can but a disk thats i bit smaller into the array |
| 15:01.16 | abrotman | jaami: have you actually looked to see what type of file that is? |
| 15:01.53 | jaami | kale: so i think eclipse do try to run the adb from the path and adb do exist on the path but no idea why debian does not see it |
| 15:01.59 | frostschutz | kale, do the zero-superblock for sd[abcd] then, not sure why you can't open it for writing... |
| 15:02.47 | kale | frostschutz: heh, cannot open any of those... strange, i'll wait till the raid has synced |
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| 15:03.30 | kale | jaami: what cpu do you have, is it 64 bits? |
| 15:04.11 | jaami | kale yes 64bit core 2 due |
| 15:04.13 | abrotman | jaami: have you actually looked to see what type of file that is? |
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| 15:04.32 | kale | jaami: allright, i think you need to install some 32bit libraries, is this wheezy? |
| 15:04.53 | jaami | please tell me the command that shows type of files i will run and pastebin output. trust me |
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| 15:05.09 | jaami | yes whee |
| 15:05.21 | jaami | yes wheezy |
| 15:05.34 | kale | jaami: when you run ~/android/sdk/platform-tools/adb then it says no such file, right? |
| 15:05.51 | jaami | kale: yes |
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| 15:06.04 | abrotman | jaami: file /home/jaami/android/sdk/platform-tools/adb |
| 15:06.19 | kale | jaami: allright, adb is a 32bit binary, looking for a library it cannot find. so you need to install this library, hold on |
| 15:07.19 | kale | jaami: dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 15:07.30 | jaami | /home/jaami/android/sdk/platform-tools/adb: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, not stripped |
| 15:07.31 | jaami | you are right adb was 32-bit |
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| 15:08.11 | jaami | oh ok, |
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| 15:08.30 | xmj | jaami: you just gave me a brilliant idea. |
| 15:08.41 | kale | jaami: apt-get update |
| 15:08.41 | jaami | kale i did, no out was shown though |
| 15:08.55 | kale | jaami: no output is success |
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| 15:09.18 | jaami | xmj: good luck with that :) |
| 15:09.18 | jaami | ok kale |
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| 15:09.44 | kale | jaami: apt-get install libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6:i386 |
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| 15:10.30 | jaami | kale: it will take sometime on my slow net, i have to wait for update to end. |
| 15:10.38 | jaami | oh ok, let me stop update and run the apt-get |
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| 15:10.53 | kale | jaami: do not stop the update |
| 15:11.03 | kale | jaami: if its an upgrade, then its fine to stop |
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| 15:12.07 | jaami | kale: its update, i let it finish now, |
| 15:12.10 | Imbue | does anyone here have an ATI HD3200? |
| 15:12.16 | jaami | still running |
| 15:12.33 | Imbue | i'm wondering if it's worth bothering with installing the microcode, whether it will fix my issues with slow scrolling and such |
| 15:12.48 | val_erie | I am trying to make an application's desktop sharing feature work. It requires Java 7u45 (or later) |
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| 15:15.37 | triski_ | Imbue: i don't have one but have you tried "Catalyst Legacy" drivers? https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#wheezy-legacy |
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| 15:16.24 | Imbue | triski_: i would like to avoid installing fglrx if possible, i am wondering about the OSS drivers with non-free microcode |
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| 15:17.05 | Imbue | i tried fglrx before a reinstall and it improved my 'glxgears' performance from 250FPS to 1000FPS, but didn't really do anything for 2D, scrolling in firefox, etc |
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| 15:17.42 | abrotman | Imbue: did you install the firmware for the radeon driver? |
| 15:17.58 | Imbue | abrotman: this is what I mean by microcode; I am wondering if it will help |
| 15:18.06 | abrotman | yes, it will |
| 15:18.09 | Imbue | the problem was that fglrx install looked like a nightmare to 'undo' |
| 15:18.17 | triski_ | if i recall correctly, Ati removed all 2D acceleration on his drivers, in order to use "3d accelerated 2d" |
| 15:18.21 | Imbue | but microcode looks much easier |
| 15:18.22 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Imbue about radeon firmware |
| 15:18.25 | Imbue | okay, i will try that abrotman |
| 15:18.34 | val_erie | I am trying to make an application's desktop sharing feature work. It requires Java 7u45 (or later) to run. I downlowded java7u51 binary from oracle.com, compiled with fakeroot make-jpkg and installed with dpkg -i. When I try desktop sharing, I get "We are unable to verify if Java is currently installed and enabled in your browser." Do I need to install any plugins in iceweasel or chromium? There are 96 java plugins in iceweasel. |
| 15:18.40 | abrotman | Imbue: so install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 15:18.43 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Imbue about non-free |
| 15:18.47 | Imbue | abrotman: yes, will do :) |
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| 15:21.24 | kale | val_erie: you may need to create a symlink |
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| 15:22.14 | val_erie | kale, where do I need to create a symlink? |
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| 15:23.29 | kale | val_erie: /usr/lib/jvm symlink oracle to java-6-sun |
| 15:25.55 | kale | while my raid is syncing erformance drops, in the beginning it was at 130MB/s in the end its 85MB/s is this normal? |
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| 15:26.54 | Imbue | abrotman: is it still necessary to edit xorg.conf as in https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo ? |
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| 15:27.57 | ajoul | What is the ACK flag bit in the TCP/IPv4 header |
| 15:28.12 | ajoul | I meant to ask what is it for |
| 15:28.44 | kale | ajoul: ACKnowledge, like yes i got your package receipt from the postoffice |
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| 15:31.30 | abrotman | imbgone |
| 15:31.48 | ajoul | kale are sure that this is what the flag bit (1-bit) is? Because I thought that is what the acknoweldgement field is for |
| 15:31.52 | kale | frostschutz: after a reboot i was able to zero the superblock, i'll zero on all partitions and try again |
| 15:31.52 | ajoul | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_Control_Protocol#TCP_checksum_for_IPv4 |
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| 15:32.28 | gele | hello. |
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| 15:33.06 | gele | any recommendations for a good, packaged rss reader that can run as a daemon and convert rss and atom feeds to mbox or maildir format? |
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| 15:33.23 | gele | for viewing in any mail client. |
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| 15:33.52 | kale | ajoul: are you thinking about acknowledgement number? |
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| 15:33.58 | abrotman | ajoul: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_Control_Protocol#Connection_establishment |
| 15:35.14 | Imbue | abrotman: lol, so installing the firmware has forced vsync, meaning i can't use glxgears to see if there is an improvement :P time to fiddle with .conf |
| 15:35.28 | abrotman | Imbue: you odn't need the conf file |
| 15:35.31 | abrotman | or shouldn't anyway |
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| 15:36.03 | Imbue | well, I'm not really seeing any improvement in performance, Iceweasel struggles to scroll a basic page and so on |
| 15:36.11 | ajoul | kale <abrotman> it makes no sense that sending back 1 bit can help establish a communication connection? |
| 15:36.22 | tbx1024 | hello, does someone know how to prevent SLIM login manager from making TTYs unusable? |
| 15:36.25 | Imbue | machine is pretty old but it seems a bit silly |
| 15:38.40 | gele | Imbue: have you _ever_ had smooth scrolling in iceweasel? |
| 15:38.56 | gele | i haven't seen that on a single machine. |
| 15:38.58 | Imbue | gele: i have dragged this machine out of a cupboard to see if I can do something useful with it |
| 15:39.20 | Imbue | well, yes, never perfectly, but on this machine it feels particularly bad |
| 15:39.27 | abrotman | gele: I do ... |
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| 15:39.32 | abrotman | ajoul: perhaps you want #networking |
| 15:39.37 | Imbue | and looking at htop there is not 100% cpu usage, tons of ram left over, and so on, so i'm a little befuddled |
| 15:39.51 | gele | iceweasel is alsa very strict about which cards it uses hardware acceleration with. |
| 15:40.24 | Imbue | does my choice of WM affect this significantly or only Xorg options? |
| 15:41.12 | triski_ | Imbue: have you tried with other browsers? (konqueror/chromium...) |
| 15:41.35 | doebi | is it possible to suspend on a LVM encrypted system? |
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| 15:41.47 | Imbue | doebi yes, but it will not re-encrypt |
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| 15:41.52 | Imbue | hibernation will |
| 15:42.01 | triski_ | doebi: yes, is possible, i use it and tried |
| 15:42.06 | doebi | Imbue: how? |
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| 15:42.14 | Imbue | doebi: well for me I just hit power button :P |
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| 15:42.23 | gele | doebi: suspend keeps everything in ram, it doesn't matter whether the disk is encrypted or not. |
| 15:42.23 | Imbue | or menu -> suspend in gnome3 |
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| 15:42.33 | doebi | my menu doesnt offer it and hitting power button only turns off the screen |
| 15:42.52 | doebi | i use jessie, btw |
| 15:42.53 | Imbue | doebi: try gnome-tweak-tool and look for the 'enhanced menu' option |
| 15:42.53 | triski_ | suspend to ram works ok, suspend to disk should work as long as you have more or equal swap size as ram is installed on the unit |
| 15:42.54 | ruben23 | hi guys anyone can help i have a debian server but i wanted not to turn off the monitor..how do i set this. Thanks |
| 15:42.55 | Imbue | i forget the name |
| 15:43.06 | val_erie | kale, I do not have java-6-sun. I have in /usr/lib/jvm java-6-openjdk-amd64, java-6-openjdk-common, java-7-openjdk-amd64, java-1.6.0-openjdk-amd64, default-java and j2sdk1.7-oracle |
| 15:43.35 | gele | or just run pm-hibernate as root in a pinch. |
| 15:43.38 | doebi | triski_: i do have enough swap |
| 15:43.54 | Imbue | triski_: I could try it for diagnostic purposes but I need to use iceweasel for the purposes of some extensions/addons |
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| 15:43.59 | oo_miguel | /etc/rc{2,3,4,5}.d/ are all identical by default right? |
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| 15:44.12 | Imbue | triski_: i actually think it is scrolling in all programs, not just iceweasel |
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| 15:44.26 | Imbue | dragging windows around lags behind the mouse too |
| 15:44.28 | oo_miguel | so if I want to start playing around I can just pick any of them and begin to change it as well as adapt the default runlevel in the inittab |
| 15:44.32 | oo_miguel | ? |
| 15:44.34 | doebi | Imbue: in tweak tool i cant find anything about hibernation |
| 15:44.46 | Imbue | doebi i do not know about jessie, sorry |
| 15:44.48 | i5um41ru | anyone, can help me how to configure the openbox desk env?? |
| 15:44.49 | doebi | in usual power settings i turned it on |
| 15:44.55 | Imbue | in wheezy there is an option for 'enhanced status menu' or something |
| 15:44.56 | gele | ruben23: what do you mean? you don't want the monitor to turn off after some time of inactivity? |
| 15:45.09 | Imbue | with this enabled, the status menu (click username at top right in gnome3) shows a suspend option |
| 15:45.39 | kale | val_erie: link java-7-sun to j2sdk1.7-oracle |
| 15:45.55 | ruben23 | gele: yes even on standby mode..that monitor wont turn off <--------- is this possible |
| 15:46.08 | oo_miguel | When I boot my system it goes from runlevel N to the default runlevel specified in the inittab. Does this mean that *only* the scripts in the /etc/rc{default_runlevel}.d/ are executed? or does it also always execute the single user mode scripts in addition? |
| 15:46.48 | ajoul | someone can explain what CWR flag bit is for? |
| 15:47.18 | doebi | ajoul: what context? |
| 15:47.23 | abrotman | ajoul: plase use #networking |
| 15:47.26 | abrotman | please |
| 15:47.39 | gele | ruben23: In X, or in text mode? |
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| 15:48.24 | triski_ | Imbue: have you compared with other linux distros? does this only affect Debian? |
| 15:48.39 | Imbue | triski_: my next step is likely to be testing another WM |
| 15:48.40 | ajoul | <doebi> TCP/IPv4 header flag bits |
| 15:48.55 | ajoul | <abrotman>, they are somewhat inactive :/ |
| 15:48.58 | Imbue | triski_: I went for fluxbox at first because I thought this system would be too slow for even LXDE, but it appears i might be wrong |
| 15:49.08 | triski_ | Imbue: i've found this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=697727 and it may be related |
| 15:49.11 | joj | oo_miguel: the system goes into runlevels N/none/init, then S (single-user), from then it jumps to the specified multiuser-level (2-5) |
| 15:49.12 | doebi | ajoul: lol, why u asking this in #debian? i had an exam about that shit last week |
| 15:49.30 | triski_ | Imbue: what are that system specs? |
| 15:49.31 | val_erie | kale, I do not have java-7-sun. I have java-7-openjdk-amd64. Shouldn't iceweasel have some kind of java plugin? |
| 15:49.39 | oo_miguel | joj: oh ok thank you very much |
| 15:49.44 | abrotman | ajoul: that doesn't make this the right place to ask |
| 15:49.44 | ajoul | <doebi>, because debian community seems more helpful. Can you help me out brother? |
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| 15:49.48 | Imbue | triski_: 2GB ram, dual core 'mobile' processor (slightly better than intel atom) |
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| 15:49.53 | Imbue | HD3200 mobility GPU |
| 15:50.01 | abrotman | ajoul: either take it to #networking or #debian-offtopic |
| 15:50.21 | triski_ | Imbue: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:50.21 | Imbue | sorry 3GB ram. it is amd64 |
| 15:50.49 | triski_ | maibe is one of those AMD integrated gpus |
| 15:50.56 | joj | oo_miguel: this part of the Debian Reference Manual may prove itself being useful, if you want to customize runlevels: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch03.en.html#_sysv_style_init. It outlines everythin in detail. |
| 15:50.57 | triski_ | maybe |
| 15:50.58 | Imbue | triski: AMD Neo 2 L625 |
| 15:51.14 | doebi | ajoul: cant remember a cwr flag bit |
| 15:51.14 | Imbue | the clock rate is lying, it says 800mhz but that is power saving |
| 15:51.22 | abrotman | doebi: please go to #networking with him |
| 15:51.30 | doebi | abrotman: kk |
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| 15:51.51 | Imbue | i think I will go and get lxde cd1 and have a go with that since the system has issues with netinstall |
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| 15:56.24 | Imbue | curses his past self for buying usb sticks that are too small |
| 15:56.25 | triski_ | Imbue: my suggestion would be try testing with a distro with the latest xorg version (debian unstable, other distro...) and if still suffer being slow file a bug with x.org / freedesktop |
| 15:56.55 | abrotman | Imbue: Do you still have an xorg.conf ? |
| 15:56.59 | triski_ | Blame AMD xD |
| 15:57.03 | Imbue | abrotman: file is empty |
| 15:57.06 | abrotman | I wouldn't blame AMD .. |
| 15:57.18 | Imbue | cat /etc/X11/Xorg.conf |
| 15:57.18 | Imbue | cat: /etc/X11/Xorg.conf: No such file or directory |
| 15:57.20 | abrotman | AMD has helped Xorg more than any other GPU company other than Intel |
| 15:57.27 | abrotman | Imbue: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:57.30 | abrotman | not Xorg |
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| 15:57.41 | Imbue | sorry; still not there |
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| 15:57.51 | ExeciN | I mounted an HFS+ partition but I cannot browse into some folders because of permissions. with thunar I can go up to /media/Macintosh HD/Users/myUsername/ and with thunar as root I can only go up to /media/Macintosh HD/ . How can I backup my stuff? |
| 15:57.55 | abrotman | Imbue: and what's the problem now? |
| 15:58.10 | Imbue | on the Intel point : yes, it hurts, when my 'other machine' has one of the brilliant integrated Intel GPU's that can basically do 1080p accel |
| 15:58.23 | Imbue | abrotman: i don't really see any difference after installing firmware |
| 15:58.39 | Imbue | abrotman: windows lag when moving around, scrolling in web browser skips a lot, all of this while CPU usage is not that high |
| 15:58.45 | abrotman | Imbue: have you read "man radeon" to see if your card is actually supported? Or looked at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see which driver it's using? |
| 15:59.11 | Imbue | it is using the radeon driver |
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| 15:59.53 | abrotman | Imbue: have you tried the kernel and firmware-linux-nonfree from Backprots? |
| 15:59.55 | abrotman | backports |
| 15:59.56 | berarma | Imbue: reading at your problem it seems like you're running vesa, not the radeon driver |
| 16:00.10 | triski_ | Imbue: are you using also radeon Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) |
| 16:00.28 | abrotman | Imbue: could you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 16:00.52 | Imbue | berarma: I have 3d accel using glxgears |
| 16:00.59 | Imbue | vesa is software, no? |
| 16:01.02 | abrotman | glxgears is not a test |
| 16:01.04 | Imbue | abrotman: one second |
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| 16:02.23 | kale | valgrind: do you know what a symlink is? |
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| 16:03.01 | berarma | Imbue: maybe 2d accel disabled? have you looked in the xorg log? |
| 16:03.01 | kale | jaami: did you get your packages installed? |
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| 16:11.53 | abrotman | Imbue: what happened to your log file? |
| 16:16.05 | Imbue | sorry; had to fly off for a second |
| 16:16.49 | tbx1024 | does anyone know how to prevent SLIM login manager from making all TTYs unusable? |
| 16:17.23 | Imbue | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/VqtTpCLX |
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| 16:18.39 | Imbue | the only thing I can see in there that makes me a bit curious is 'RADEON(0): Setting screen physical size to 361 x 203' (361 whats?) |
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| 16:19.54 | przemek | Hello how to install defaults tools and package(e.g. lsb_relase sudo ) in debian netinstall which was aborted when downloading mirror |
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| 16:20.18 | przemek | if there is one good apt-get install for this? |
| 16:20.33 | abrotman | przemek: aptitude install '~prequired' ? |
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| 16:20.48 | przemek | wow i will chack this mister |
| 16:20.50 | przemek | thanks |
| 16:21.00 | abrotman | Imbue: for starters, your kernel is out of date |
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| 16:21.14 | abrotman | Imbue: oh, ignore that .. misread the line |
| 16:21.36 | Okee | Any idea why I am getting a permission denied error: http://paste.debian.net/82216/ ??? |
| 16:21.39 | Imbue | abrotman: yes it appears X was built on a newer kernel than wheezy |
| 16:21.48 | Imbue | abrotman: I saw it as 3.1 first too... :P |
| 16:22.14 | abrotman | Imbue: the only thing I might recommend is to try a newer kernel and firmware-linux-nonfree from wheezy-backports |
| 16:22.32 | Imbue | abrotman do you think it is worth my time trying different WM's? |
| 16:22.37 | abrotman | Okee: you're not root |
| 16:22.47 | Okee | abrotman> thanks |
| 16:22.53 | abrotman | Imbue: No |
| 16:23.08 | Imbue | okay |
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| 16:25.45 | mamtina | hi ! |
| 16:26.19 | Imbue | downloading kernel backport now. :) |
| 16:26.30 | tbx1024 | SLIM eats my TTYs D: |
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| 16:27.21 | mamtina | I've changed $HOSTNAME and rebooted, |
| 16:27.53 | mamtina | #hostname -d #hostname -a #hostname -s are not working |
| 16:27.59 | mamtina | ? |
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| 16:30.44 | mamtina | looks like $HOSTNAME is not set correctly |
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| 16:32.46 | przemek | hello apt-get install sudo doesn;t work for me , no problem with connections or dns |
| 16:32.52 | przemek | :/ |
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| 16:33.17 | mtn | przemek: what is the error? |
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| 16:33.56 | przemek | mtn: unable to locate pakage sudo |
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| 16:35.06 | berarma | przemek: pastebin "apt-cache policy" output |
| 16:35.39 | przemek | berarma: not will be easy coz i'm working via ipmi system |
| 16:35.54 | przemek | which can't copy paste and have same problem with ssh package |
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| 16:38.43 | Yukikaze | przemek: do you have your repos set |
| 16:39.19 | Yukikaze | to something that is not the cd if you no longer have that mounted |
| 16:40.58 | mamtina | http://paste.debian.net/82221/ |
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| 16:41.55 | kale | i am going to install a server, in the installation, can i just choose none of the program in "choose and install programs"? |
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| 16:43.07 | Yukikaze | kale: if you use the netinstall you can install only a base bare minimum system I'm not sure with the only install media |
| 16:43.18 | maxyz | kale: Yes |
| 16:43.19 | Yukikaze | other* |
| 16:43.31 | kale | thanks |
| 16:43.40 | kale | what are "tools for default system"? |
| 16:43.49 | abrotman | kale: I'd probably use the Standard task |
| 16:43.55 | abrotman | kale: but otherwise, leave them unchecked |
| 16:44.18 | kale | is there a meta package for each of these? |
| 16:44.22 | maxyz | kale: The lsb package |
| 16:44.37 | kale | i'd want lsb |
| 16:44.53 | maxyz | Depends on the version of tasksel |
| 16:45.05 | maxyz | But you can run tasksel whenever |
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| 16:45.37 | kale | allright, i chose the standard tool, then i'll apt-get whatever i feel i am missing afterwards |
| 16:45.58 | przemek | berarma: http://i61.tinypic.com/5vawbn.jpg |
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| 16:46.43 | przemek | Yukikaze: I see your point , how to change this ? |
| 16:47.20 | maxyz | przemek: You might want to add a mirror to your sources.list |
| 16:47.21 | Yukikaze | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:47.51 | przemek | checkin this guys |
| 16:47.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell przemek about wheezy sources.list |
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| 16:51.15 | kale | once again i'm having trouble installing grub |
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| 16:51.41 | abrotman | how? |
| 16:51.43 | kale | this time i get "unknown LVM metadata header" |
| 16:51.51 | abrotman | Are you using encryption also? |
| 16:52.10 | kale | abrotman: my system is on this raid -> crypt -> lvm -> fs |
| 16:52.24 | abrotman | you probably need /boot/ to be unencrypted |
| 16:52.32 | kale | abrotman: /boot is unencrypted |
| 16:52.37 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:52.48 | kale | abrotman: i'm trying to install grub to /dev/sda |
| 16:52.53 | Imbue | hmm. apt-cdrom is completely failing for me, it is odd. |
| 16:52.58 | Imbue | it doesn't touch sources.list at all |
| 16:53.11 | kale | could the be because i use 1.2 metadata for my raid1, which /boot is on? |
| 16:53.20 | maxyz | kale: You also need a /boot outside the lvm. |
| 16:53.42 | kale | maxyz: /boot is on /dev/md1 which is /dev/sd[abce]1 |
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| 16:54.23 | maxyz | What's 1.2 metadata? |
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| 16:54.24 | kale | maxyz: hey, you are correct, the installer did not mount /boot properly |
| 16:54.24 | triski_ | Imbue: did you updated the kernel to check the ATI card issue? |
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| 16:54.43 | triski_ | Imbue: just to know if that did solved it ;-D |
| 16:54.44 | kale | maxyz: metadata is for the raid, older versions of grub needed 0.9 for the boot partition |
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| 16:57.57 | kale | maxyz: strange that the installer skipped mounting /dev/md0 as /boot. but once i moved /boot to that partition grub installed. |
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| 16:59.47 | przemek | Yukikaze: berarma maxyz abrotman Thank You for help love ya |
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| 17:00.36 | berarma | przemek: np |
| 17:00.52 | Imbue | how is apt-cdrom supposed to work? |
| 17:01.08 | Imbue | i mounted an image, i add it using apt-cdrom -d=/media/cdrom add |
| 17:01.16 | Imbue | 'Repeat this process for the rest of the CDs in your set.' |
| 17:01.24 | Imbue | sources.list is not changed, apt-get update does nothing new |
| 17:02.30 | berarma | Imbue: are you doing it as root? read "man apt-cdrom" |
| 17:02.38 | Imbue | berarma: yes |
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| 17:03.35 | DelphiWorld | hi guys |
| 17:03.53 | DelphiWorld | i'm sure this question is out of debian. but is anyone tryed to compile libwebsockets on debian? |
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| 17:04.06 | Imbue | i don't really understand, it seems to be expecting more images for no real reason, i've verified my image against sha and public key |
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| 17:04.18 | DelphiWorld | asking me for rpm build tools on debian! |
| 17:04.31 | abrotman | why would you use apt-cdrom in stead of just using http sourceS? |
| 17:04.51 | Imbue | abrotman i do not always have access to fast internet, right now for example i don't |
| 17:05.09 | Imbue | it will take me hours to download 400mb, but i have DVD1 right here |
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| 17:05.25 | Imbue | maybe it will take me hours to get apt-cdrom to like it! :P |
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| 17:05.58 | berarma | DelphiWorld: that's a libwebsockets question, anyway, why don't you use the packages in Debian? |
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| 17:06.22 | DelphiWorld | berarma: cause the project i'm bugging require latest in git;) |
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| 17:06.42 | berarma | you can take a look at the package sources to see how they get it to build |
| 17:06.59 | DelphiWorld | berarma: hehehe i tryed apt-get install rpm let's see:) |
| 17:07.15 | berarma | no, I mean the Debian package sources for libwebsockets |
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| 17:07.58 | berarma | since it's being already built in Debian you could do it the same way with the newer sources |
| 17:08.52 | DelphiWorld | berarma: mmmmm, i'm on sid and dont have any libwebsockets |
| 17:08.57 | Imbue | no-one uses apt-cdrom? :P |
| 17:09.05 | Imbue | it just seems to be skipping entirely steps that I see on google |
| 17:09.14 | maxyz | Imbue: check if you have a dists dir in /media/cdrom |
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| 17:09.36 | Imbue | maxyz: it is there |
| 17:09.44 | val_erie | kale, For DebianWheezy and later releases, Sun Java is no longer available in the repositories. However, java-package can be used to generate Debian packages from the upstream distributables of the JDK as provided by Oracle. |
| 17:09.53 | Imbue | ls /media/cdrom/dists: stable wheezy |
| 17:10.04 | maxyz | Imbue: then just add deb file:/media/cdrom wheezy main contrib to your sources list |
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| 17:10.20 | Imbue | okay |
| 17:10.33 | kale | val_erie: true, and that is what you told us you did |
| 17:11.00 | maxyz | Imbue: You might want to change the mount point, add it to your fstab if you are going to use it again. |
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| 17:11.17 | Imbue | maxyz: I will just remove it from apt after this, it's on an external hd |
| 17:11.28 | maxyz | Also, you'll need to remember to comment the sources.list line afterwards |
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| 17:12.09 | berarma | DelphiWorld: libwebsockets3 |
| 17:12.46 | DelphiWorld | berarma: libwebsockets search give nothing at all |
| 17:13.04 | Fnet | http://www.gizmag.com/rekindle-infinite-candle/30823/ clever idea |
| 17:13.17 | Sagar | Hello i am trying to install some softwares on my Wheezy but it somehow not letting me do. I get this error every time. Please help : http://pastebin.com/gycLhEqr |
| 17:13.23 | berarma | ,v libwebsockets3 |
| 17:13.25 | judd | Package: libwebsockets3 on i386 -- jessie: 1.2.2-1; sid: 1.2.2-1 |
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| 17:13.40 | Sagar | ,v libc6 |
| 17:13.41 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.17-97; sid: 2.17-97; experimental: 2.18-0experimental1 |
| 17:13.44 | val_erie | kale, yes, but my browser iceweasel is not detecting java |
| 17:14.03 | kale | val_erie: no java at all, or not detecting oracle java? |
| 17:14.23 | Sagar | ayone who can help regarding? I am trying to install some softwares on my Wheezy but it somehow not letting me do. I get this error every time. Please help : http://pastebin.com/gycLhEqr |
| 17:14.26 | DelphiWorld | ,libwebsockets-dev |
| 17:14.43 | DelphiWorld | ,v libwebsockets-dev |
| 17:14.45 | judd | Package: libwebsockets-dev on i386 -- jessie: 1.2.2-1; sid: 1.2.2-1 |
| 17:14.58 | DelphiWorld | i'm on x64 |
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| 17:15.33 | abrotman | and what? |
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| 17:16.30 | DelphiWorld | abrotman, sham on me |
| 17:16.40 | DelphiWorld | i have been searching on my wheezy ;) |
| 17:16.45 | Sagar | anyone? |
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| 17:17.24 | abrotman | Sagar: apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 17:18.26 | Sagar | abrotman : still same |
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| 17:18.45 | abrotman | Sagar: pastebin your sources.list |
| 17:19.01 | Sagar | and when i do "apt-get -f install" like it says : http://pastebin.com/8rx6CzcB |
| 17:19.03 | Sagar | second |
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| 17:19.54 | val_erie | kale, when I try to do desktop sharing and click test java I get window with Java version Error stating 'Desktop sharing requires Java 7 update 51 (or later) to run' When I use command dpkg -l |grep oraclce , I get ii oracle-j2sdk1.7 1.7.0+update51 |
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| 17:20.05 | Sagar | abrotman : sources.list --> http://pastebin.com/y2mhyM3D |
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| 17:20.46 | kale | val_erie: but thats not iceweasel, so you need oracle java |
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| 17:20.52 | abrotman | seriously? you're using webmin built for sarge? |
| 17:20.57 | kale | val_erie: do you know what a symlink is? |
| 17:21.10 | Sagar | abrotman : i don't know my friend did it. |
| 17:21.12 | abrotman | Sagar: aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade |
| 17:21.20 | Sagar | ok second please |
| 17:21.22 | abrotman | Sagar: your friend should be beaten with fish :) |
| 17:21.36 | Sagar | :) ok i will beat him :D |
| 17:21.49 | val_erie | kale, it is a soft link made with command ln -s |
| 17:22.05 | kale | val_erie: great then make the softlink i suggested |
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| 17:22.52 | Sagar | abrotman : aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade --> output --> http://pastebin.com/ttYeWVY7 |
| 17:23.05 | val_erie | kale , you suggested ln -s java-7-sun oracle-j2sdk1 ? |
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| 17:24.37 | Sagar | abrotman : aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade --> output --> http://pastebin.com/ttYeWVY7 <<<< |
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| 17:25.31 | berarma | Sagar: your friend should be kept far away from computers |
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| 17:25.55 | Sagar | berarma : i will tell her this :) |
| 17:26.00 | Sagar | him* |
| 17:26.16 | Sagar | please help what could be wrong? |
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| 17:26.44 | berarma | you could try the advice in the ouput you've pasted |
| 17:27.12 | abrotman | it's telling you to remove it .. i'd probably *mv* it .. |
| 17:27.49 | Sagar | abortman : what command show i execute now? |
| 17:27.55 | Sagar | should* |
| 17:28.07 | val_erie | kale, I am not quite understanding how to make a link if I do not have java-7-sun |
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| 17:31.54 | Linux_Banfix | hello |
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| 17:32.19 | kale | val_erie: cd /usr/lib/jvm && ln -s jdk-7-oracle-x64/ java-7-sun |
| 17:32.45 | Sagar | abortman : ??? |
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| 17:33.39 | Linux_Banfix | how is it possible that wheezy's debian installer still fail to configure my network with dhcp during the installation? And then they call it stable? |
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| 17:34.29 | kale | Linux_Banfix: perhaps your network hardware is too new to be supported? |
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| 17:34.42 | Sagar | berarma? |
| 17:34.56 | mtn | Linux_Banfix: or it might need firmware, if it is wireless |
| 17:35.14 | abrotman | Sagar: it tells you what to do .. what is confusing? |
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| 17:35.34 | Linux_Banfix | kale, my pc is 7 years old and it was correctly configured at installatin time with etch, lenny and squeeze. |
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| 17:36.17 | Sagar | abrotman i did used mv command but after it it's not letting me use any commands |
| 17:36.24 | Linux_Banfix | mtn, i tryed the isos including non free firmware too |
| 17:36.24 | atari314 | Linux_Banfix: check your router, maybe? |
| 17:36.41 | Linux_Banfix | atari314, my router is working right now |
| 17:36.46 | abrotman | Sagar: what about busybox? |
| 17:37.04 | kale | Linux_Banfix: can you set a static IP and still get inet access? |
| 17:37.06 | Sagar | busybox? |
| 17:37.13 | Sagar | i am really new to this |
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| 17:37.32 | xauth | Sagar: try ldconfig |
| 17:37.36 | atari314 | Linux_Banfix: which network card are you using? which is your router? |
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| 17:38.04 | Linux_Banfix | kale, if i choose to set a static ip the it gies on with installation process and not confirm if the network works or not, so it's dangerous |
| 17:38.22 | kale | Linux_Banfix: it will not break your legs |
| 17:38.45 | Sagar | xauth : i did ldconfig, it just root@ns1:~# ldconfig root@ns1:~# |
| 17:38.56 | atari314 | Linux_Banfix: uhn... tty2 and ping something to test? |
| 17:39.00 | xauth | Sagar: Your commands might work again now. |
| 17:39.18 | Linux_Banfix | atari314, card: Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) , router asus dsl-n12e |
| 17:39.23 | Sagar | ok |
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| 17:40.45 | Sagar | xauth : abortman : >> http://pastebin.com/hZsnJ1Ut |
| 17:40.49 | Linux_Banfix | atannus, but everything worked with older debian realeases and still works with arch, the problem is only the latest debian installer wich can't configure the network |
| 17:41.08 | abrotman | Sagar: so move the file back |
| 17:41.11 | Linux_Banfix | ops |
| 17:41.23 | Sagar | done |
| 17:41.24 | Linux_Banfix | atari314, but everything worked with older debian realeases and still works with arch, the problem is only the latest debian installer wich can't configure the network |
| 17:41.33 | Sagar | abortman : now? |
| 17:41.45 | abrotman | try your command again ? |
| 17:42.07 | atari314 | Linux_Banfix: you need the via-rhine module |
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| 17:42.25 | atari314 | Linux_Banfix: afaik, choose the expert install and enable it |
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| 17:42.48 | Sagar | abortman : still same >> http://pastebin.com/nURF5FCf ?? |
| 17:43.06 | thaicares | what are some good debian based distros that are not so foreign that issues can still be brought up here? |
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| 17:43.20 | Linux_Banfix | atari314, why i need to enable it while i didn't need before? |
| 17:43.26 | mtn | thaicares: none |
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| 17:43.38 | kale | i have set up a raid10 and installed debian on it. the installation has completed, but the raid i still syncing. can i safely reboot? or should i wait till the raid has completed the sync? |
| 17:43.39 | mtn | thaicares: only debian is supported here |
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| 17:44.44 | thaicares | mtn but for example mepis stays with debian just offers a few different things... if I came here with a mepis issue you guys would be able to fix it just as well, correct? |
| 17:44.45 | val_erie | kale, ln -s j2sdk1.7-oracle/ java-7-sun gives me ln: failed to create symbolic link `java-7-sun': File exists. And /usr/lib/jvm# ls -l gives me java-7-sun -> jdk-7-oracle-x64/ The problem though remains |
| 17:44.46 | Sagar | abortman : still same >> http://pastebin.com/nURF5FCf ?? |
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| 17:45.17 | mtn | thaicares: only debian is supported here, if it doesn't say debian, it isn't debian and won't be supported. pretty clear? |
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| 17:45.35 | thaicares | mtn I guess so :D |
| 17:45.42 | atari314 | Linux_Banfix: prolly cause there are very few cases who need that, so enabling by default would be vastly overhead for most of the users... anyhow... just enable it... |
| 17:45.50 | mtn | thaicares: why not use debian in the first place? |
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| 17:46.12 | Linux_Banfix | atari314, ok, i'll try it, thanks |
| 17:46.55 | thaicares | mtn well I recently ran into A LOT of issues do to my messing around... so I was hopping to find a familiar debian based distro that would offer more out of the box = less chance of me breaking stuff!!! |
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| 17:47.15 | kale | val_erie: file java-7-sun |
| 17:47.29 | xmj | thaicares: breaking things, fixing things, learning how things work |
| 17:47.38 | mtn | thaicares: oh, don't worry, you can break any distro by "messing around" |
| 17:48.22 | berarma | thaicares: why not help debian get better? |
| 17:48.26 | thaicares | mtn I KNOW I was just thinking if they already have something figure out for me then I don't have to mess around! |
| 17:48.48 | mtn | thaicares: what tools are missing from debian? |
| 17:48.48 | xmj | thaicares: if i had a nickel for every install i broke.. |
| 17:48.55 | thaicares | berarma that is the beauty of open and free isn't it? by using a fork debian STILL gets better! |
| 17:49.21 | Sagar | ?/?/???????///////??/?//???/\\ |
| 17:49.44 | xmj | Sagar: regexp fail? |
| 17:49.49 | Pazzo | Hi @all! Is anyone here successfully running Wheezy on a recent AMD Radeon like the 8790M? ATI drivers will not build, fglrx-legacy-modules-dkms fail to build, bugtracker suggests 8.97.100.7-4 might work (since July - but that's only to be found in SID and wants to replace my libc6...). What a mess :( |
| 17:49.53 | jhutchins | Cat? |
| 17:49.55 | berarma | thaicares: no, improving debian isn't creating another distro and sending users here for support |
| 17:49.59 | atari314 | I believe that thaicares means is a deb-based distro that has more stuff already setup'd, is that corret? |
| 17:50.06 | Sagar | xmj : regexp? |
| 17:50.25 | jhutchins | !amd |
| 17:50.25 | dpkg | Advanced Micro Devices is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of ATI/AMD graphics hardware, ask me about <ati>. See also <amd64>, <coolnquiet>, <k7>. |
| 17:50.28 | thaicares | mtn that is a good point as well... I have less messing around to oo once I get an install up and running... already learned some and found out I don't need others! |
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| 17:50.31 | Sagar | mxj : still same >> http://pastebin.com/nURF5FCf ?? |
| 17:50.44 | jhutchins | !ati |
| 17:50.44 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:50.48 | Sagar | xmj: http://pastebin.com/nURF5FCf ?? |
| 17:50.52 | thaicares | atari314 THAT is exactly correct |
| 17:51.11 | atari314 | thaicares: maybe you could try: http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php (debian version of Mint) |
| 17:51.34 | xmj | Sagar: and have you READ the error message? |
| 17:51.47 | berarma | Sagar: it won't update your libc unless you move that file |
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| 17:52.20 | tom-papp | have fun with lmde! =P it doesnt have efi support btw |
| 17:52.26 | tom-papp | yet |
| 17:52.38 | Sagar | berarma : i do moved the files but after the moved the files http://pastebin.com/hZsnJ1Ut |
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| 17:53.02 | Sagar | xmj : yes and when i move the file, i get this : http://pastebin.com/hZsnJ1Ut |
| 17:53.10 | xauth | Sagar: curiously, my libc is in the same directory. |
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| 17:53.37 | Sagar | xauth : what should i do then? to solve this? :( |
| 17:54.25 | berarma | Sagar: try moving to /usr/local/lib |
| 17:54.32 | berarma | moving it* |
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| 17:54.40 | Sagar | sec |
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| 17:56.12 | Sagar | berarma : now for this : A copy of the C library was found in an unexpected directory: '/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl-2.13.so' |
| 17:56.46 | berarma | Sagar: the same? |
| 17:56.58 | Sagar | another file, let me move it too |
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| 17:58.06 | berarma | Sagar: remember the files you're moving since you should remove them later |
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| 17:58.20 | Sagar | ok |
| 17:58.23 | Linux_Banfix | atari314, i choosed the exper mode and lsmod in tty2 showed that the via-rhine module is loades. but the network configuration still doesn't work |
| 17:58.38 | tom-papp | out of curiousity is it possible to run an irc in terminal? |
| 17:58.49 | abrotman | like irssi? |
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| 17:59.11 | tom-papp | idk havnt heard of it |
| 17:59.22 | tom-papp | ooo looks pretty |
| 17:59.30 | atari314 | Linux_Banfix: during the expert install, there's a step (option) to load specific modules, did you mark the via-rhina there? |
| 18:00.07 | joshu__ | hi how do you debug what an init.d script isn't running on boot? Should successful/ failure to run the script be logged to a log file? |
| 18:00.18 | tom-papp | thanks abrotman |
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| 18:00.34 | Linux_Banfix | atari314, that module is not listed in that list |
| 18:00.45 | atari314 | Linux_Banfix: uhn, gimme a sec |
| 18:00.48 | Sagar | berarman : the error now occurs >> A copy of the C library was found in an unexpected directory: '/usr/local/lib/libc-2.13.so' |
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| 18:01.03 | Linux_Banfix | tom-papp, weechat too |
| 18:01.04 | val_erie | kale, I am new to this. Can you please explain things more. I really would like to make it work and you seem to know how to help |
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| 18:02.35 | tom-papp | Linux_Banfix thanks =D weechat looks prettier |
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| 18:03.32 | atari314 | Linux_Banfix: can you please paste again your network card |
| 18:03.39 | tom-papp | mmm colors =P |
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| 18:04.04 | Linux_Banfix | atari314, Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) |
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| 18:04.35 | atari314 | Linux_Banfix: tks, hold on please |
| 18:04.44 | Linux_Banfix | ok |
| 18:05.18 | berarma | Sagar: can you boot from a rescue cd or usb? |
| 18:05.55 | tom-papp | so i have this old comp and i wanted to stream music (internet radio), stay on irc and possibly run a web server... anyone know how to do all these off tty/terminal? |
| 18:06.03 | Sagar | no, it's a server :( |
| 18:06.50 | tom-papp | weechat and obviously web servers can run in tty... but i cant seem to find anything for streaming music... im just trying to get rid of my gui |
| 18:06.53 | kale | val_erie: well i would like to help, but i'm new to debian, or rather it 10 years ago i used it, so i'll help as much as i can. What application is needing oracles java? |
| 18:07.04 | val_erie | kale , what do you mean by file java-7-sun? |
| 18:07.34 | kale | val_erie: file is a program, so you simply run "file java-7-sun" and then it tells you what that file really is |
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| 18:08.18 | atari314 | Linux_Banfix: can you please paste me your lsmod output? |
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| 18:09.45 | Linux_Banfix | atari314, right now i'm running arch on this pc. you mean the output that i get when i bott with debian installation media? |
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| 18:09.54 | berarma | Sagar: that's the chicken and the egg, I see no easy solution but using busybox, rescue disk or bootstrap |
| 18:09.55 | Sagar | berarman : ???? |
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| 18:10.13 | Pimpinella | plasma-desktop occupies one processor core constantly here. It doesn't at startup, but the problem starts at some point and won't go away. I found many similar bugreports on google, but nothing that atually solves it. Is this a known problem, anyone with a solution for me? Debian sid, kde 4.11.5, kde-plasma-desktop 5:82 0 |
| 18:10.16 | Sagar | berarma : tell me about busybox |
| 18:10.36 | atari314 | Linux_Banfix: that's ok, you loaded the via-rhine module and the network still didn't work, right? |
| 18:10.38 | jaami | what i can do to fix this error /home/jaami/android/sdk/build-tools/android-4.4/aapt: error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1 |
| 18:10.39 | berarma | I haven't used it myself |
| 18:11.05 | kale | jaami: did you install the i386 arch tools i told you? |
| 18:11.08 | Linux_Banfix | atari314, yes, the response is : can't configure network |
| 18:11.12 | val_erie | kale, that command gave me java-7-sun: broken symbolic link to `jdk-7-oracle-x64/'. All I need is for my browser to detect java on my computer and I think it needs some plugin to do that . Actually it worked few days ago, but after I upgraded the system (Wheezy) it doesn't work . Also opening link in a new tab doesn't work either |
| 18:11.24 | jaami | oh kele, yes just finished |
| 18:11.58 | mtn | val_erie: I think the icedtea plugin should do what you want. you can install it from the repos |
| 18:11.58 | kale | val_erie: in iceweasel go to the page "about:plugins", does it show any kind of java? |
| 18:12.09 | jaami | kele net is too slow but it worked. i again checked eclipse and this time error is different |
| 18:13.02 | kale | jaami: so you should find out what package that library is in and install the i386 equivalent, perhaps run file on the program to get more info |
| 18:13.37 | jaami | kele ok, i try |
| 18:13.53 | jaami | kale: |
| 18:14.11 | atari314 | Linux_Banfix: I really don't know :/ |
| 18:14.30 | berarma | Sagar: I've found a possible workaround, move the libs to a new directory /root/lib/ |
| 18:14.55 | atari314 | Linux_Banfix: you could try to remove via-rhine and re-enable it |
| 18:15.02 | Sagar | let me do it |
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| 18:15.08 | Linux_Banfix | atari314, ok, thank you anyway, i'll stay with a different distro and will try again when jessie come out |
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| 18:15.26 | kale | Linux_Banfix: are you in the installer right now? |
| 18:15.35 | berarma | Sagar: then do "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/root/lib", you should be able to run aptitude and the libs shouldn't get in the way |
| 18:15.59 | Linux_Banfix | kale, no, i have oly this pc nad i have to reboot to start the installer |
| 18:16.05 | Sagar | ok |
| 18:16.07 | Sagar | lets try |
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| 18:16.20 | kale | Linux_Banfix: ok, if you run lspci -k, which module is then listed for the hardware? |
| 18:17.18 | Linux_Banfix | kale Kernel modules: via_rhine |
| 18:17.38 | kale | Linux_Banfix: ok, i have the installer running, i'll see if that module is there |
| 18:17.45 | thaicares | I'm gonna keep debian HOPEFULLY I'll figure out a way to keep more data between reinstalls than I am able to this time! Any suggestions??? |
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| 18:18.13 | Linux_Banfix | kale, i guess so, i already tried lsmod in tty 2 |
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| 18:18.19 | Linux_Banfix | and it was loades |
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| 18:18.28 | Linux_Banfix | loaded* |
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| 18:18.57 | kale | Linux_Banfix: what about "ifconfig -a" did that show any ethernet interfaces? |
| 18:19.15 | Linux_Banfix | kale, i didn't try |
| 18:19.23 | berarma | Sagar: you said it's a server, I hope you don't have anything critical on it, libc is a critical part of the system |
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| 18:19.40 | kale | Linux_Banfix: so once in the installer, you have no way of writing here? |
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| 18:19.58 | Linux_Banfix | kale no |
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| 18:20.37 | Sagar | berarma : it's critical web servers |
| 18:20.39 | kale | Linux_Banfix: ok, i'd suggest installing from a media which has the packages to get you up and running without network, and then take it from there |
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| 18:21.27 | Linux_Banfix | kale and are you sure that once the installation is complete the network will work? |
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| 18:21.37 | Sagar | berarma : ls: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:21.49 | kale | Linux_Banfix: NO, but i am sure you can make it work. |
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| 18:23.17 | Linux_Banfix | kale it suonds a bit dangerous, without network a can't dowload any image to install something different |
| 18:23.19 | val_erie | kale, for java I have IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.4 (1.4-3~deb7u2)) when type about:plugins in the browser |
| 18:24.13 | berarma | Sagar: then maybe you better let it as it was and let your friend fix it, that's a little mess |
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| 18:24.52 | Sagar | how to i set back the LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/root/lib |
| 18:25.24 | tbx1024 | i get an error in my SLIM login manager log saying "waiting for X server to begin accepting connections" and i have a 3 minute delay between logout and being able to login again |
| 18:25.35 | berarma | Sagar: unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 18:25.37 | tbx1024 | would anyone know how to fix this? ._. |
| 18:26.23 | str3 | would anyone? certainly. |
| 18:26.31 | kale | Linux_Banfix: you could download two images |
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| 18:28.56 | kale | val_erie: then i suspect java is working, what happens here: http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp |
| 18:28.59 | Linux_Banfix | kale yes i could. I'll try when i have time. Thanks for the help |
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| 18:30.16 | tbx1024 | ... |
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| 18:31.01 | tbx1024 | i mean if someone could help me? sorry i'm not english :/ |
| 18:31.29 | mtn | tbx1024: somebody will respond if they have an answer, you will have to be patient |
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| 18:31.55 | tbx1024 | mtn: ok, thank you :) |
| 18:32.00 | centrx | dpkg: tell tbx1024 about ask |
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| 18:36.12 | mns | tbx1024: I used to use Slim, but have switched to LightDM. I find that much better, though 3 minute delays between logout and login was not one of my problems. I had more stability issues, if I recall correctly. |
| 18:37.51 | tbx1024 | mns: i used to have SELinux denials with LightDM, that's why i'm trying to use Slim. ill try it again i guess |
| 18:38.36 | mns | tbx1024: I don't have a slim setup anymore, so I can't be of much more help. sorry. |
| 18:38.38 | val_erie | kale, that page just says verifying installation, detecting java on your computer, but no positive results |
| 18:39.14 | val_erie | kale, actually it says after a while "We are unable to verify if Java is currently installed and enabled in your browser." |
| 18:39.29 | mns | why do I get the error "The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources" ? All the pdiff files aptitude is pulling down are from testing, after telling me that such a release is not in the sources. |
| 18:40.07 | tbx1024 | mns: still, thank you, ill try LightDM :) |
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| 18:40.37 | mns | tbx1024: no probs. and I've not done anythign with SELinux so have no idea about issues between that and lightdm. good luck. |
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| 18:42.13 | kale | val_erie: interesting |
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| 18:44.19 | kale | val_erie: ok, so that broken symlink, please remove that |
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| 18:47.30 | evangeline | hi |
| 18:48.10 | evangeline | I'm getting the: "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)", I know it's because the root password doesn't match the one in debian.cnf, but I have no idea how that happened |
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| 18:48.31 | evangeline | any idea how to reset the password ... I don't have root password? |
| 18:48.47 | centrx | Let the system administrator do it? |
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| 18:55.54 | val_erie | Is there a way to configure java security settings in iceweasel? |
| 18:56.21 | zinx | "java security" eh, there's an oxymoron if i ever heard one |
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| 19:02.30 | centrx | val_erie, Disable it |
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| 19:05.26 | Greylocks_ | No script is a good browser addon for java but it can get annoying if you visit a lot of java using sites. |
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| 19:05.52 | abrotman | You guys realize that's not whta he's asking? |
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| 19:10.13 | val_erie | centrx, disable what ? I can not find java security settings or panel in iceweasel |
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| 19:13.33 | elichai2 | with who i talked 2 days ago? |
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| 19:17.30 | John_John_ | i am about to install debian testing. i picked up gui installer and in the locale selection when i selected my country it says that it has no locale for it and i have to choose one for the defaults. can i choose one of the defaults now and change it somehow later ? my country's true locale is el_GR.UTF-8 and i need it 100% for my developer needs. |
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| 19:18.46 | John_John_ | i am about to install debian testing. i picked up gui installer and in the locale selection when i selected my country it says that it has no locale for it and i have to choose one for the defaults. can i choose one of the defaults now and change it somehow later ? my country's true locale is el_GR.UTF-8 and i need it 100% for my developer needs. |
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| 19:19.31 | John_John_ | do you know if i install locales besides the default ones ? |
| 19:19.56 | beardy | John_John_: You can do that later yes. If it exists or not you can decide later. |
| 19:19.59 | beardy | !locales |
| 19:19.59 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 19:20.58 | beardy | John_John_: You "should" also keep the system locale default and only change it for your own or other users. |
| 19:21.08 | tbx1024 | i have a problem where SELinux enforcing doesnt allow me to login with LightDM, it works when running in permissive mode |
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| 19:22.04 | John_John_ | beardy: since i am new to linux can you tell me exactly how to set my locale to el_GR.UTF-8 ? |
| 19:23.13 | John_John_ | beardy: maybe debian testing is not recommended for newbies after all. all i wanted is something solid to begin with |
| 19:23.37 | rgammans | john_John_ use the dpkg-reconfigure command from dpkg's help |
| 19:23.44 | beardy | John_John_: That's also correct, it isn't. If you want something solid, install stable. |
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| 19:26.52 | beardy | John_John_: What dpkg said above was for you. After generating the locale with dpkg-reconfigure, please see the wiki link for how to set various parts of your environment to the locale you generated. |
| 19:27.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell John_John_ -about testing installer |
| 19:27.32 | babilen | John_John_: I would recommend to use the netinstall image with firmware and to perform a minimal install before you upgrade that to testing. |
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| 19:28.29 | John_John_ | guys i am installing in a vm and i stopped installing now |
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| 19:28.33 | babilen | John_John_: It is also not necessarily the best idea for people who are new to Linux to track a development release as you *will* run into hairy problems. So prepare to read a lot and I'd recommend to start with: http://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 19:28.40 | John_John_ | should i prefer stable over testing ? |
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| 19:29.23 | luminous | hello! how do you upgrade a single package with apt-get? I can't seem to find this detail in the manpage |
| 19:29.40 | babilen | John_John_: Well, if it is in a VM than it is not too horrible, but if wheezy (or wheezy-backports) has the program versions you need then, yes, by all means use that. |
| 19:29.44 | pepex | hello guys |
| 19:29.47 | babilen | luminous: "apt-get install PKG" |
| 19:30.00 | luminous | babilen: ah, ok, so that will do an upgrade too |
| 19:30.05 | pepex | am trying to install Tor on Debian 7.3 |
| 19:30.13 | luminous | thanks for righting me :) |
| 19:30.28 | pepex | and am having problems with the repositories |
| 19:30.32 | John_John_ | wheezy = testing ? |
| 19:30.57 | centrx | "wheezy" is currently "stable" |
| 19:31.04 | John_John_ | oh ok |
| 19:31.16 | centrx | John_John_, If you are new to Linux, you should use stable/wheezy |
| 19:31.35 | babilen | And read the handbook! It is a wonderful (and free!) resource |
| 19:32.12 | John_John_ | that is 7.4 right ? |
| 19:32.26 | pepex | am getting this error messages |
| 19:32.33 | babilen | John_John_: It is indeed |
| 19:32.34 | pepex | Err http://deb.torproject.org Wheezy/main i386 Packages |
| 19:32.36 | pepex | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell John_John_ -about install debian |
| 19:32.55 | pepex | but if you go directly to that URL |
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| 19:33.07 | pepex | the package is obviously there |
| 19:33.32 | elichai2 | with who i talked 2 days ago ? :(:( |
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| 19:34.03 | centrx | pepex, Maybe your DNS resolution is mixed up? PING www.torproject.org (93.95.227.222) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 19:34.04 | abrotman | pepex: it's probably "wheezy" not Wheezy |
| 19:34.07 | pepex | W: Failed to fetch http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org/dists/Wheezy/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 82.195.75.101 80] |
| 19:34.20 | pepex | the same for this one |
| 19:34.46 | pepex | centrx: let me check on that |
| 19:34.47 | John_John_ | babilen: i have downloaded this. is it correct ? debian-7.4.0-amd64-netinst |
| 19:35.35 | babilen | John_John_: Yes, that would work. It isn't quite the complete filename and I would have preferred the netinst image with firmware, but given that you install in a VM that shouldn't be needed and that image should be fine. (/msg dpkg firmware image) |
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| 19:35.43 | pepex | 64 bytes from nova.torproject.org (86.59.30.40) |
| 19:35.48 | elichai2 | with who i talked 2 days ago ? :(:( |
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| 19:36.02 | centrx | elichai2, Are you okay? |
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| 19:36.08 | noirx_ | hi |
| 19:36.37 | elichai2 | centrx, nope |
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| 19:37.03 | John_John_ | sorry i am on skype i ll be back |
| 19:37.24 | centrx | elichai2, Do you require medical attention? |
| 19:37.32 | elichai2 | lol no |
| 19:38.22 | elichai2 | centrx, found him :) |
| 19:38.29 | elichai2 | !seen nabblet |
| 19:38.29 | dpkg | nabblet <~ben@unaffiliated/benkinooby> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7h 32m 19s ago, saying: 'Ritzton: it was a stupid, not-helpful comment. nevermind. productive question: does the rest of your OS know accents? maybe it's just the terminal. or keyboard layout'. |
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| 19:39.05 | pepex | abrotman: thanks! |
| 19:39.09 | pepex | it was the W |
| 19:39.30 | pepex | lol I had an uppercase W instead of a lowercase one |
| 19:40.47 | centrx | L.O.L. |
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| 19:41.21 | elichai2 | who the hell wrote dpkg ? |
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| 19:41.46 | elichai2 | nabblet, hi |
| 19:41.58 | pepex | thanks guys!! |
| 19:42.07 | pepex | i really apreciate your help lol |
| 19:42.11 | pepex | see ya |
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| 19:43.37 | elichai2 | who worte dpkg? |
| 19:44.07 | kale | elichai2: /usr/share/doc/dpkg/THANKS |
| 19:44.27 | elichai2 | kale, ? |
| 19:45.03 | kale | elichai2: that file contains the names of whoever wrote dpkg |
| 19:45.09 | elichai2 | i didn't meant that dpkg |
| 19:45.12 | rgammans | kale, maybe that's not the dpkg he was looking for. |
| 19:45.26 | elichai2 | i meant dpkg the bot! |
| 19:45.33 | babilen | elichai2: It's an infobot |
| 19:45.52 | elichai2 | yeah but i would love to see it's code |
| 19:46.06 | elichai2 | it's talking too (in private) |
| 19:46.16 | babilen | elichai2: yes, google for "infobot", find the upstream project and get the code :D |
| 19:46.37 | elichai2 | no lol i want the code of this exact bot |
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| 19:46.46 | elichai2 | because of the private talking |
| 19:46.57 | babilen | elichai2: Are you referring to its database rather than its code? |
| 19:47.04 | babilen | dpkg: lol |
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| 19:47.05 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 19:47.08 | elichai2 | both? |
| 19:47.26 | elichai2 | dpkg, who are you? |
| 19:47.27 | dpkg | elichai2: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:47.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell elichai2 -about dpkgbot |
| 19:47.55 | babilen | The wiki should have all you need. |
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| 19:49.19 | elichai2 | thanks |
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| 19:56.09 | tom-papp | d |
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| 19:57.46 | nabblet | elichai2: hi :) |
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| 20:02.05 | poleajohn | hi, could anyone elaborate on why, even after removing the log, the message "exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken" keeps appearing when i shutdown the computer? It's nothing important, I'm just curious. |
| 20:02.41 | centrx | Maybe it is panicking right before shut down, after you delete the log? |
| 20:03.36 | trampel | poleajohn: do you delete the log or just truncate it to zero? |
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| 20:04.10 | poleajohn | i just delete the log |
| 20:04.17 | poleajohn | rm'd it |
| 20:04.33 | poleajohn | and /etc/init.d/exim4 restart then |
| 20:04.54 | poleajohn | and everytime i turn on or off the computer, the message appears again |
| 20:05.04 | trampel | were it me, i guess i'd then try truncating it to zero to see if the error message goes away. but i'm stupid/empirical that way |
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| 20:05.37 | jordanm | poleajohn: what does the log contain before you delete it? |
| 20:05.48 | rgammans | poleajohn: have you actually looked at the log? |
| 20:06.00 | jordanm | it sounds like it's reocurring issue, and something you need to fix instead of temporarily hiding it |
| 20:06.34 | trampel | actually *look* a log? pffff...... ;) |
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| 20:07.03 | poleajohn | if i'm honest no, because i don't even know what does it means and it doesn't seem to be important, i guess i just want to fix it for aesthetical reasons |
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| 20:08.02 | poleajohn | and also for the sake of knowledge |
| 20:08.29 | rgammans | does it not at least contain timestamps - which would reveal if it is a reoccurring issue. |
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| 20:10.06 | poleajohn | i'm going to take a look now and tell you about it |
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| 20:12.35 | poleajohn | well, there's no log at all right now, i'm going to have to wait till i reboot or shutdown again, then i'll be back with more info |
| 20:12.40 | poleajohn | thanks anyways ^^ |
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| 20:18.31 | nabblet | ok, i don't knwo what to do anymore :/ My sound is stuttering. From time to time, it just loops for a second, or just mutes for a short moment. i tried enabing pulse, disabling pulse, changing all kinds of puffer sizes, tried all kinds of players, media formats and players. All have that proplem. BUT, when i keep moving the mouse it won't happen. i am working on this problem for a week now :( backporting to kernen 3.12 and 3.12-rt didn't help either :( |
| 20:19.09 | nabblet | i'm on debian wheezy |
| 20:19.41 | rgammans | sounds like interrupt issues. but I've no real idea. |
| 20:20.06 | nabblet | rgammans: do you know how i could verify? |
| 20:20.13 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:20.17 | nabblet | is there something like dmesg for interrupts? |
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| 20:20.44 | kale | nabblet: /proc/interrupts |
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| 20:20.59 | kale | nabblet: but thats just an overview |
| 20:21.03 | Azrael_- | i'm doing backups with rsnapshot. i use remote as source and store it locally. can i also use use the lvm snapshots-function for remote backups? |
| 20:21.04 | nabblet | notice |
| 20:21.06 | nabblet | *d |
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| 20:22.57 | kale | nabblet: i once had a laptop where net and video shared interrupt, that was really sad |
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| 20:23.34 | nabblet | kale: well, i hadn't have that problem with ubuntu that's sure and i guess with a previous version of debian either... |
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| 20:23.45 | nabblet | kale: can't really recall correctly anymore |
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| 20:24.00 | nabblet | but i know that I had a problemfree time too |
| 20:24.04 | trampel | nabblet: is Alsa involved? (if so it's a noted situation) |
| 20:24.28 | rgammans | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.30 | nabblet | trampel: i have alsa yes. but pulse is disabled now |
| 20:24.40 | nabblet | rgammans: ibackported in hope that would fix it |
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| 20:25.30 | rgammans | so it occurs in 3.2 as well? |
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| 20:25.47 | nabblet | trampel: well, without alsa there will be no sound at all. i need at least one sound system, no? |
| 20:26.06 | nabblet | rgammans: yes, that's why i started to backport. I could try 3.2 now that i upgradeed to 7.4 |
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| 20:26.11 | nabblet | maybe that does something... |
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| 20:27.18 | trampel | nabblet: i've read where there's a buffer_size option in some alsa ...conf somewhere which should be up'ed to at least 8192 to avoid "stuttering" with pulse. but i really don't know if that solves it (currently) |
| 20:27.48 | rgammans | maybe. can you pastwbin /proc/interrupts |
| 20:27.55 | nabblet | trampel: i played with buffer sizes in pulse. didn't help. also, the stuttering occurs not periodically |
| 20:28.17 | nabblet | rgammans: http://paste.debian.net/82267/ |
| 20:28.24 | trampel | nabblet: but i think the problem would be in buffer_size in alsa not in pulse ...maybe |
| 20:28.32 | kale | nabblet: is your cpu load high when there is stuttering? |
| 20:28.44 | nabblet | not at all |
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| 20:29.23 | nabblet | trampel: ok, i'll test the 3.2 kernel (now that i'm on 7.4 maybe there is a bugfix that helps) and if that's a negative i'll go for alsas buffers |
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| 20:31.28 | rgammans | nabblet, us your sound card on the mother board. is your mouse PS2 or ys |
| 20:31.34 | rgammans | ir |
| 20:31.41 | rgammans | .... or usb |
| 20:31.52 | nabblet | huh? |
| 20:31.57 | nabblet | it's a laptop |
| 20:32.04 | nabblet | lenovo ideapad s12 |
| 20:32.13 | nabblet | i am using touchbad |
| 20:32.15 | nabblet | * |
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| 20:33.11 | rgammans | hmmm |
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| 20:34.25 | nabblet | it's such a weired problem :/ |
| 20:34.42 | nabblet | ok, i'll try 3.2... i'll be back, baby |
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| 20:41.53 | topi`_ | nabblet: what kind of a machine is that? I'm using a Lenovo Ideapad A10 |
| 20:42.03 | topi`_ | (it runs android, which I still haven't managed to root) |
| 20:42.37 | nabblet | topi`_: my laptop was shipped with win xp. i don't think they sell it anymore :P |
| 20:42.57 | nabblet | topi`_: it's a nice, handy 12' laptop |
| 20:43.14 | nabblet | it's not a thinkpad though |
| 20:43.34 | nabblet | hm, so far it looks good... |
| 20:43.40 | nabblet | knocks on wood |
| 20:43.55 | nabblet | looks -> sounds ;) |
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| 20:44.15 | topi`_ | oh, it's an Atom N270 based netbook. Not very exciting |
| 20:44.56 | topi`_ | I paid 175 euros for my Ideapad A10, but at least it's got a quad core cpu ;) |
| 20:45.31 | nabblet | model name : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz - well i bought it about 5 years ago |
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| 20:45.46 | nabblet | 2 cores |
| 20:47.03 | nabblet | well, i don't care about cpu. my system currently uses 14% cpu load @ 800 Mhz |
| 20:47.13 | topi`_ | yeah, well at least you can run debian on it :) I still haven't managed to hack the bootloader here to boot from a SD or USB instead of the android rootfs |
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| 20:48.09 | AsgardBSD | Congratulation to finaly choosing an init |
| 20:48.39 | AsgardBSD | But i was wondering, if gnome3 require systemd, why does actual debian has gnome3 but not systemd? |
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| 20:50.56 | nabblet | topi`_: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2537882 someone there says he did it and one other confirmed |
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| 20:53.06 | nabblet | hm, 1 beatle song without jitter :) |
| 20:53.18 | nabblet | i think the world is OK again :D |
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| 20:55.10 | rgammans | nabblet, now for serious points use git bisect to find what commit introduced the problem ;-) |
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| 20:56.01 | nabblet | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 20:56.22 | nabblet | problem's here again |
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| 20:58.04 | nabblet | ;( |
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| 21:00.12 | rgammans | oh. odd. I wonder what s changed. |
| 21:00.40 | nabblet | me too. i have to check with an other os - maybe it's the hardware? |
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| 21:02.47 | rgammans | possible. if moving the mouse cures it, I was wondering if the kernel wasn't getting the interrupts from the hw. maybe net activity was enough for the Beatles. |
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| 21:20.02 | Jekko^_^ | in the folder .aMule i lost the file amule.conf, even if i reinstall amule the file dosen't appear. Where can i download an amule.conf? |
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| 21:21.07 | Jekko^_^ | in the folder .aMule i lost the file amule.conf, even if i reinstall amule the file dosen't appear. Where can i download an amule.conf? |
| 21:21.19 | John_John_ | is this iso verion a bit old ? debian-live-7.2-amd64-gnome-desktop |
| 21:21.36 | nabblet | John_John_: 7.4 just came out |
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| 21:22.28 | John_John_ | can i install this and just upgrade it from the system with apt-get upgrade or something ? i am very new to linux |
| 21:22.40 | nabblet | John_John_: yes |
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| 21:23.05 | nabblet | John_John_: there is nothing special, you just will need to download in addition what's needed to get from 7.2 to 7.4 |
| 21:23.08 | trampel | Jekko^_^: perhaps here? http://guide.debianizzati.org/index.php/AMule#amule.conf |
| 21:23.46 | John_John_ | nabblet: i think there is an automatic procedure for that right ? |
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| 21:24.13 | nabblet | John_John_: yes. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:24.23 | John_John_ | nabblet: and i will have to aavoid the extra 1.2gb iso download right ? |
| 21:24.45 | nabblet | John_John_: have to? |
| 21:24.46 | John_John_ | nabblet: nice :) |
| 21:24.48 | Jekko^_^ | this is a short version of the amule.conf, not the complete one. I clicked for the complete one but it leads me to an unexisting page |
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| 21:25.32 | John_John_ | nabblet: bad english forget it |
| 21:25.34 | nabblet | John_John_: if you plan to do several installs, better go for the 7.4 CD/DVD . if it is only one system, use the 7.2 and get the updates from the internet |
| 21:25.54 | John_John_ | nabblet: its only one system |
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| 21:26.39 | John_John_ | nabblet: it's a gnome image. is this the gnome 2 or 3 ? |
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| 21:26.50 | nabblet | John_John_: don't know |
| 21:27.12 | nabblet | John_John_: but either way you can go for the one or the other later |
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| 21:28.22 | John_John_ | nabblet: what do u think is the most mature ? |
| 21:28.29 | John_John_ | i mean kde , gnome ? |
| 21:28.35 | John_John_ | something else ? |
| 21:28.51 | nabblet | John_John_: hehe, don't ask me. I'm a fluxboxer :P |
| 21:29.04 | John_John_ | fluxboxer ? |
| 21:29.29 | nabblet | John_John_: fluxbox user. But fluxbox is not the best idea for newcomers |
| 21:29.52 | frostschutz | fluxbox is great. |
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| 21:29.59 | nabblet | i know :) |
| 21:30.16 | nabblet | John_John_: just install debian. you can go for any user interface later |
| 21:30.28 | nabblet | John_John_: they can be installed side by side without hassle |
| 21:31.59 | John_John_ | nabblet: so my first big question is this |
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| 21:32.16 | John_John_ | let's say i have decided to install kde ok ? |
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| 21:32.34 | John_John_ | where should i go for instructions on how to install it ? |
| 21:32.59 | John_John_ | is there a common place to search for software for debian ? |
| 21:33.09 | nabblet | John_John_: yes :) the package manager |
| 21:33.23 | arthurfiggis | John_John_: well, if you're not worried about disk space, aptitude install kde-full will pull in an entire kde desktop and pretty much everything else it needs |
| 21:33.48 | rryoumaa | John_John_: aptitude search, axi-cache search, apt-cache search |
| 21:33.56 | arthurfiggis | that's how i got it installed anyway, plus along the line it prompts whether to use kdm or the default :) |
| 21:35.58 | John_John_ | and what happens to the gnome user interface ? which one becomes the default one ? |
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| 21:36.20 | nabblet | John_John_: it will stay installed. when you log in you can chose what GUI to use. simple :) |
| 21:36.26 | arthurfiggis | John_John_: either kde or gnome depending on which one you choose at login, when you're prompted to switch, etc. :) |
| 21:36.37 | John_John_ | aha |
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| 21:37.07 | John_John_ | is there a gui package manager too ? like aptitude ? |
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| 21:37.33 | nabblet | John_John_: yes. synaptic |
| 21:37.53 | nabblet | John_John_: what computer will you install debian on? |
| 21:38.12 | John_John_ | it will be on a vm |
| 21:38.28 | John_John_ | 2gb ram 20gb hd |
| 21:38.46 | John_John_ | but i can give more of both if i like |
| 21:38.54 | nabblet | John_John_: it will be ok |
| 21:38.58 | John_John_ | i have lots of them :) |
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| 21:39.46 | Azrael_- | i've got a machine which automatically rotates the logs. another one has the same configuration but it doesn't work there. can you give me a hint which process handles this or how it is triggered? |
| 21:40.04 | John_John_ | as a newbie the most important thing for me is the helpful community |
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| 21:41.28 | John_John_ | seriously i was tempting to follow the ubuntu route but some people i know told me that ubuntu is very much buggy and spyware and i was afraid tbh. |
| 21:41.29 | arthurfiggis | John_John_: i think you'll do just fine here then! i've bounced around between numerous distributions since about 1996 until debian, the stability, the recent backports and the help i got here were all deciding factors :) |
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| 21:41.56 | John_John_ | i am glad to hear that :) |
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| 21:42.44 | John_John_ | another distro i was hearing best words is Arch linux but i decided it is very hard to me as a newbie. |
| 21:42.51 | John_John_ | sorry phone |
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| 21:44.39 | nabblet | John_John_: for newcomers i usually recommend ubuntu or mint. i know that there are downsides, but they offer a nice way to get used to the core principles of linux. like package managers, or getting to mess with conf files, and and and... later, most people will find out on their own what distro suits them best. i know that i spent way to much thought on what distro to start with |
| 21:45.19 | nabblet | John_John_: my path was: gentoo->debian->fedora->mandriva->debian->ubuntu (for a long time)->debian |
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| 21:45.55 | nabblet | John_John_: also, don't try gentoo as your frist distro... just don't... really |
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| 21:47.07 | Kitt3n | nabblet, how is gentoo? |
| 21:47.21 | debianguy1 | Kitt3n: it's awfu |
| 21:47.33 | debianguy1 | Kitt3n: unless you want to be spending hours just configuring files |
| 21:47.34 | nabblet | yeah, says teh debianguy1 ;) |
| 21:47.51 | Kitt3n | debianguy1, that sort of thing, like Arch. Indeed awful. |
| 21:48.05 | apofis | Kitt3n: really depends on how much time do you have and how much do you know about Linux ecosystem itself |
| 21:48.11 | debianguy1 | Kitt3n: I like arch. but gentoo is a whole new deal |
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| 21:48.34 | nabblet | on the other hand it's rolling release. once you're set no mayor upgrades anymore |
| 21:48.47 | debianguy1 | Kitt3n: I like arch though but gentoo is is like ArchX9000 |
| 21:49.01 | apofis | Kitt3n: I found it really nice but general upgrade of everything which takes few hours is not for me :) |
| 21:49.06 | Kitt3n | Rolling releases, more chances for things to break. :P |
| 21:49.19 | apofis | Kitt3n: I would suggest Arch || Ubuntu |
| 21:49.37 | Kitt3n | Debian > Ubuntu. |
| 21:49.50 | nabblet | Mint is nice too |
| 21:50.01 | nabblet | there is a debian based version of Mint anyway |
| 21:50.06 | abrotman | This is still #debian, if you want to do distro comparison, please use ##linux |
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| 21:52.09 | Kitt3n | nabblet, have you tried the Linux Mint debian distro? |
| 21:52.36 | debianguy1 | linux mint is just ubuntu with cinnamonn I never saw the big deal about it |
| 21:52.38 | nabblet | Kitt3n: yes. but this is offtopic as abrotman pointed out |
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| 21:53.17 | Kitt3n | Pretty sure it falls under DEBIAN still. |
| 21:53.29 | narcos | Hi all - I'm having trouble getting my upstart script to work. I'm putting my the script (foobar.conf) into /etc/init/ but service foobar status doesn't recognise the script - "foobar: unrecognized service" |
| 21:53.36 | nabblet | Kitt3n: join me in #debian-offtopic if you want to chat on about it |
| 21:54.00 | atari314 | for a very very very free distro, we get some very very very not-free channel... |
| 21:54.37 | Kitt3n | atari314, what? |
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| 21:55.20 | nabblet | atari314: well, this is one of the high traffic channels. if every one jabs on about what ever comes to his mind you couldn't read even the advice you get because it scrolls up too fast |
| 21:55.55 | atari314 | yeah I got your points, just saying tho... |
| 21:56.34 | Kitt3n | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:57.56 | trampel | didn't Goedel discuss how discussion of non-topical topics are non-topical (for all sets containing sets not contained)? |
| 21:58.26 | nabblet | trampel: well, Goedel isn't admin here, is he? :P |
| 21:58.41 | John_John_ | nabblet: i saw all the above |
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| 21:58.54 | trampel | but i'm fairly certain non-Goedel is. and that covers a lot of territory |
| 21:59.06 | John_John_ | nabblet: i saw you have a history..and gentoo too ??? |
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| 21:59.24 | mtn | wonders why they bothered to make a #debian-offtopic channel |
| 21:59.31 | John_John_ | nabblet: i ve heard gentoo is very much hardcore |
| 21:59.48 | nabblet | John_John_: let's discuss this in #debian-offtopic |
| 21:59.52 | John_John_ | ok |
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| 22:00.34 | atari314 | mtn: one can also counter-argue why it's not the #debian-support |
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| 22:00.55 | mtn | atari314: oh, quit whining |
| 22:01.13 | atari314 | touché |
| 22:01.22 | nabblet | ehehe, i start to fancy this goedel discussion :D |
| 22:01.37 | Kitt3n | I agree. #debian-support sounds good :D |
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| 22:01.56 | atari314 | lets call CTTE, put #debian-support to a vote! |
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| 22:07.21 | centrx | A grim silence settles over the channel. |
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| 22:07.48 | atari314 | centrx: is silence to be considered off-topic, sir? |
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| 22:07.52 | atari314 | :P |
| 22:07.56 | Kitt3n | centrx, *cough* off-topic, now are we? |
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| 22:08.24 | abrotman | atari314: If you've a problem with it, you don't have to stay here |
| 22:08.39 | ajoul | why do I feel like debian is not meant for power-users? |
| 22:08.46 | atari314 | abrotman: no need to get angry, just saying... |
| 22:08.48 | ajoul | am I crazy? |
| 22:08.56 | centrx | ajoul, Yes? |
| 22:09.17 | ajoul | It has very tiring graphics |
| 22:09.19 | abrotman | atari314: I'm not angry, just pointing it out .. |
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| 22:09.25 | ajoul | I can't work on it for more than 30 minutes centrx |
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| 22:09.49 | Kitt3n | ajoul, what? |
| 22:09.55 | ajoul | centrx, I might also be missing some graphics driver and feel that way, I am not sure |
| 22:09.56 | atari314 | abrotman: I believe we should not talk about this here, since it's for support, we should go to #debian-offtopic |
| 22:09.58 | ajoul | the resolution sucks |
| 22:10.09 | Kitt3n | ajoul, graphics card? |
| 22:10.14 | ajoul | one sec |
| 22:10.16 | centrx | ajoul, Well, yes, that would be it. Make sure you have the right drivers and change the resolution |
| 22:10.44 | centrx | wonders how being a power user is related to graphics resolution settings |
| 22:10.47 | mtn | wouldn't power users know how to fix video driver issues? |
| 22:10.50 | Ritzton | I don't understand when I am spawning a program with my node.js app I have problem when I sending accents. I had one time the problem if I remember I did "export LANG=french" but I did it and it didn't solve my problem, any idea please ? |
| 22:11.11 | ajoul | AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series Kitt3n centrx |
| 22:11.15 | Kitt3n | mtn, just saying. Debian is really stable and easy to use. :P |
| 22:11.28 | Kitt3n | ajoul, grab the proper driver from AMD's websites and install it ;p |
| 22:11.29 | ajoul | centrx I only have 4 resolution options and all of them suck |
| 22:11.49 | ajoul | Kitt3n I was under the impression all of these are done automatically for you |
| 22:12.10 | Kitt3n | ajoul, nope. Debian doesn't come with any non-free packages :P |
| 22:12.20 | ajoul | what you mean by non-free? |
| 22:12.24 | ajoul | non-opensource? |
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| 22:12.36 | Kitt3n | ajoul, pretty much |
| 22:12.56 | ajoul | that sucks, why would they be so snobby? |
| 22:13.05 | centrx | firmware-linux-nonfree and fglrx are both available in non-free and have Radeon drivers |
| 22:13.47 | centrx | ajoul, Why is ATI so snobby that they do not release their drivers for public use? |
| 22:13.49 | nabblet | John_John_: have you already set up vm? |
| 22:14.07 | ajoul | centrx I am sure their drivers are available online or else how would I get to download them? |
| 22:14.27 | centrx | ajoul, They have a restrictive license which you may not read, but the Debian project does. |
| 22:14.39 | Kitt3n | ajoul, try the fglrx driver first, apt-get install fglrx, if it doesn't work, try the latest one from AMD :p |
| 22:14.49 | ajoul | centrx that license says what, that Debian can't automatically download their drivers? |
| 22:15.10 | centrx | ajoul, Debian has a package which automatically downloads the catalyst driver, so I am not sure what you mean. |
| 22:15.17 | mtn | ajoul: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo and https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 22:15.22 | John_John_ | nabblet: lol its still installing... |
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| 22:15.58 | John_John_ | nabblet: it had paused for info the time i was talking with you actually xD |
| 22:16.17 | ajoul | Ok, I was reading few days back a talk between adobe and its users that were requesting photoshop to be made available in Linux |
| 22:16.33 | ajoul | and they said that the Linux User base is extremely snobby more or less |
| 22:16.51 | ajoul | there is no market for it and the development community does not welcome paid programs |
| 22:16.54 | ajoul | true or false? |
| 22:17.12 | Kitt3n | ajoul, more like Adobe is a bunch of jerks that hate anything open source. |
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| 22:18.08 | ajoul | Kitt3n if you develop a program that saves 1,000 lives would you make it opensource or charge 1,000 dollars a person to use it and be a billionaire? |
| 22:18.18 | ajoul | Coz I pick the second one anytime any day |
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| 22:18.21 | abrotman | ahem ... |
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| 22:18.52 | Kitt3n | abrotman, that's also off-topic! :P |
| 22:19.05 | abrotman | Kitt3n: we have a channel for you, #debian-offtopic |
| 22:19.42 | ajoul | abrotman why is there a debian-offtopic channel instead of a simply offtopic channel |
| 22:19.57 | Kitt3n | abrotman, I was just saying. "..." IS off-topic too, but I am going to stop now. |
| 22:20.04 | abrotman | ajoul: that's called #defocus |
| 22:20.41 | ajoul | Thinking it from a venn diagram perspective, anything that is not in debian, is a big variety of things. Doing the same for every other channel would simply create an overlapping area |
| 22:20.55 | ajoul | a huge overlapping area |
| 22:21.06 | ajoul | you might be wasting bandwidth |
| 22:21.10 | abrotman | ajoul: right, use #defocus if you want to chat |
| 22:21.16 | abrotman | this channel is for Debian support |
| 22:21.32 | ajoul | ok thanks for the suggestion |
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| 22:22.06 | crashev | hello, how to upgrade debian from 7.3 to 7.4, simple apt-get upgrade + apt-get dist-upgrade should be enough ? |
| 22:22.24 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:22.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell crashev about point release |
| 22:22.54 | trampel | dpkg: tell trampel about point release |
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| 22:23.12 | Imbue | hello |
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| 22:23.20 | abrotman | dpkg: tell trampel about selftell |
| 22:23.23 | abrotman | Imbue: hiya |
| 22:23.43 | Kitt3n | abrotman, off-topic! Oi. Oi. |
| 22:23.46 | asd_ | I think I installed wheezy amd64 version to my new pc which has interl processor inside, can I "swich" to intel version from fly or have I reinstall debian?:D |
| 22:23.50 | ajoul | Kitt3n why do I have to pay to get xchat in windows then if you support open source so much why you don't provide it for free on windows? |
| 22:24.00 | ajoul | I have to use this crappy webchat.freenode.net interface or torrent it |
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| 22:24.12 | abrotman | Kitt3n: Please use #debian-offtopic, thank you |
| 22:24.13 | Imbue | abrotman: some interesting developments.. it seems that gnome ('classic') is more responsive than fluxbox |
| 22:24.26 | abrotman | ajoul: you can use hexchat on Windows IIRC |
| 22:24.30 | Imbue | on the live cd at least, so i'm installing it now to see how that goes |
| 22:24.50 | abrotman | ajoul: maybe ask #xchat about the pay-for part |
| 22:24.57 | mtn | asd_: you have the correct version for your computer |
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| 22:25.00 | ajoul | abrotman thx for the suggestion, I will go complain to xchat now |
| 22:25.07 | asd_ | Oh |
| 22:25.10 | crashev | abrotman: shouldnt my /etc/issue change to 7.4 after sucesfull upgrading ? |
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| 22:25.32 | abrotman | crashev: what's in /etc/debian_version ? |
| 22:25.36 | Imbue | has anyone used apt-cdrom recently btw? I have been fiddling with it and still failing, the only way I can get to work is to add file:///mountpoint to sources.list |
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| 22:27.07 | crashev | abrotman: 7.3, and apt-get dist-upgrade does nothing right now, everything else is up to date |
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| 22:27.27 | abrotman | judd: versions base-files |
| 22:27.28 | judd | Package: base-files on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0squeeze8; squeeze-proposed-updates: 6.0squeeze9; wheezy: 7.1wheezy4; jessie: 7.2; sid: 7.2 |
| 22:27.39 | abrotman | crashev: whcih version of base-files do you have on your box? |
| 22:28.33 | crashev | aboman: 7.1wheezy3 |
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| 22:29.22 | abrotman | crashev: pastebin your sources.list please |
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| 22:30.38 | crashev | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/a2JQkkvb |
| 22:31.10 | abrotman | looking |
| 22:31.24 | nabblet | crashev: do you know pastebinit ? |
| 22:31.34 | abrotman | crashev: so if you "aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade' nothign happens ? |
| 22:33.10 | crashev | nabblet: actually I did not know that |
| 22:33.49 | nabblet | crashev: pastebinit <file you want to upload> will return you a link. faster than manual copy paste :) |
| 22:33.56 | crashev | abrotman: I see aptidude full-upgrade is not the same as apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:34.04 | abrotman | it should be |
| 22:34.13 | crashev | abrotman: it seems something is there with aptitude, but not with apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 22:34.19 | abrotman | i suspect you didn't do the apt-get update befor the dist-upgrade |
| 22:34.39 | crashev | abrotman: probably some mess with my installation |
| 22:35.00 | crashev | nabblet: thanks, looks nice :) |
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| 22:36.25 | crashev | aboman: Ok thanks, it worked with aptidue, will research why my apt is broken then |
| 22:37.01 | abrotman | crashev: it's likely not .. as I said, you probably forgot to apt-get update |
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| 22:41.47 | kboy | could someone tell me if it is possible to install on a USB stick the Debian OS or just a Live version? |
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| 22:42.10 | abrotman | install on, or from? |
| 22:42.16 | kboy | on |
| 22:42.19 | abrotman | yes, it's possible |
| 22:42.28 | abrotman | (assuming your bios can boot from USB) |
| 22:42.40 | epsilon | a question: I want a host to serve a single file via http, what's most minimalistic webserver to do that? (even one-line perl can help) |
| 22:44.09 | Devastatr | lighttpd? |
| 22:44.21 | abrotman | epsilon: more than once? |
| 22:44.50 | epsilon | yes, listening permanently |
| 22:44.53 | kboy | I have tried previosly to do that but I have done just a mess installing Grub on my computer, after I had problems even just to acces on my normal Os installed on my PC |
| 22:45.36 | kboy | when the program will ask me if I want to install Grub and where, what should I do? |
| 22:45.57 | abrotman | epsilon: then yes, lighttpd |
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| 22:46.32 | mtn | kboy: install it to the usb stick, if you want that to control the boot |
| 22:46.43 | Dopaa | how can I look up the exact wifi configuration on system startup, after I just added SSID and WPA pw via GUI? |
| 22:47.55 | kboy | I have done it but was impossible to run it, after it asked me to install Grub, and I have done a F*g mess |
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| 22:48.11 | mtn | kboy: there must be howtos on the web on how to do what you want to do |
| 22:48.53 | kboy | i see, ok I will check 4 it thanks |
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| 22:49.36 | Foxhoundz | I need help |
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| 22:49.58 | Foxhoundz | I'm installing Debian as a netinstall, but it's asking me for a firmware file |
| 22:50.03 | Foxhoundz | rtl_nic/rt18168f-1.fw |
| 22:50.29 | Foxhoundz | Do I just load this file with the mentioned folder structure on a USB stick and try to get it to continue? |
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| 22:50.48 | atari314 | Foxhoundz: yup |
| 22:51.12 | atari314 | Foxhoundz: don't forget to respect the required path: rtl_nic/ :) |
| 22:51.20 | Foxhoundz | where would I get this file |
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| 22:51.54 | atari314 | Foxhoundz: https://github.com/cernekee/linux-firmware/blob/master/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw |
| 22:52.40 | mtn | Foxhoundz: you also have this option for an installer: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 22:52.55 | abrotman | atari314: how does that help ? |
| 22:52.59 | atari314 | Foxhoundz: you could also grab it from the deb package >> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek << extract it from it |
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| 22:54.07 | Foxhoundz | ok the github link worked |
| 22:54.12 | Foxhoundz | thanks atari314 o/ !!! |
| 22:54.15 | atari314 | abrotman: you were saying? |
| 22:54.20 | atari314 | Foxhoundz: at thy service :D |
| 22:54.54 | abrotman | atari314: he asked hwere to put it during the install ? |
| 22:55.10 | atari314 | abrotman: he asked before if he should put it on a pendrive |
| 22:55.14 | abrotman | ... |
| 22:55.16 | abrotman | WHERE |
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| 22:55.34 | atari314 | abrotman: [20:50] <Foxhoundz> Do I just load this file with the mentioned folder structure on a USB stick and try to get it to continue? |
| 22:55.38 | abrotman | it's honestly easier if they use the firmware netinst |
| 22:56.05 | atari314 | abrotman: yeah, ok |
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| 22:56.50 | abrotman | I rather wish the -boot guys would offer both on the website |
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| 22:59.17 | Foxhoundz | I think it's a bit odd |
| 22:59.25 | Foxhoundz | to offer net install and not include proprietary drivers |
| 22:59.33 | Foxhoundz | The ralink chipset is fairly popular |
| 22:59.41 | abrotman | Foxhoundz: it was a decision the DDs made a few years ago |
| 23:00.06 | atari314 | Foxhoundz: you said the key word "proprietary" |
| 23:00.27 | atari314 | Foxhoundz: I have the same issue with b43 firmware... have to carry that around on a pendrive ^^ |
| 23:00.57 | abrotman | this is why the firmware images exist |
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| 23:02.42 | Foxhoundz | aww installation failed |
| 23:02.46 | Foxhoundz | but I broke a record though |
| 23:02.55 | Foxhoundz | It got to the partition stage before failing |
| 23:02.56 | kboy | If I want to install Debian ON the USB stick would be better to choose the i386 or the amd64 version, considering that the USB is not so fast to transmit bits like a normal HD? I have a 64bit computer |
| 23:04.24 | abrotman | kboy: how much RAM does the box have? |
| 23:04.42 | atari314 | Foxhoundz: do you know where exactly it failed? |
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| 23:08.18 | atari314 | Foxhoundz: if it was right after the partition step, it was prolly during retrieving packages. Is that correct? |
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| 23:11.20 | Foxhoundz | atari314: I'm not sure. I've hit another snag |
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| 23:12.02 | Foxhoundz | nvm it works agian |
| 23:12.06 | Foxhoundz | again* |
| 23:12.16 | abrotman | network timeout perhaps? |
| 23:12.41 | atari314 | Foxhoundz: if it failed there could be cause it's not being able to get the required packages for the install, prolly some network problem, or just a bad mirror |
| 23:12.52 | Okee | Does anyone know if there is something like journal for the Mac OSX? I installed Xournal on Debian Stable, and love the program. |
| 23:13.16 | abrotman | Okee: what is Journal ? |
| 23:13.23 | Foxhoundz | there is a network connection, atari314 |
| 23:13.26 | Foxhoundz | ping is working fine |
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| 23:13.49 | atari314 | Foxhoundz: yup, but may not be between you and the mirror you're downloading |
| 23:13.57 | Foxhoundz | But I get the following message: " There was a problem reading data from the C_ROM. Please make sure it is in the drive. If retrying does not work, you should check the integrity of your CD-ROM" |
| 23:14.01 | Okee | abrotman> That was a typo, and I meant to type "xournal". My auto spell corrector on the Mac changed Xournal to Journal. |
| 23:14.01 | Foxhoundz | oh |
| 23:14.10 | Foxhoundz | CD-ROM* |
| 23:14.18 | Foxhoundz | which I did |
| 23:14.20 | Foxhoundz | thrice even |
| 23:14.28 | Foxhoundz | MD5 checksums check out |
| 23:14.33 | abrotman | Okee: okay .. which does what? |
| 23:14.41 | Foxhoundz | ugh |
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| 23:14.48 | Foxhoundz | All I wanted was a linux dev environment for my laptop |
| 23:14.54 | Foxhoundz | I think I'll just get linux mint |
| 23:15.20 | atari314 | Foxhoundz: http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php :) |
| 23:15.32 | abrotman | Okee: internet says Tomboy is one |
| 23:15.44 | Okee | abrotman> Xournal is a pdf typewriter, but also gives you the ability to sign your name with your mouse, in a manner that is like using a regular pen. It works seamlessly, and is very similar to Adobe Acrobat for Windows, but better. i actually heard about it in this channel, while trying to find a Linux version of Acrobat. |
| 23:15.57 | abrotman | Okee: or Gournal |
| 23:16.51 | xand | typewriter? what |
| 23:16.53 | Okee | abrotman> I don't find that on source forge. Where is it. |
| 23:16.55 | Okee | ?? |
| 23:16.58 | atari314 | Okee: maybe one of these may be an alternative: http://alternativeto.net/software/xournal/?platform=linux |
| 23:17.19 | abrotman | Okee: aptitude install tomboy |
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| 23:17.47 | atari314 | Okee: my bet would be Cournal http://cournal-project.org/ |
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| 23:18.18 | abrotman | would use Tomboy |
| 23:18.28 | kboy | the usb pen is 4giga. the ram in my pc Ram is 3900 mega |
| 23:18.30 | atari314 | "Cournal allows multiple users to annotate PDF files in real-time. The goal of this project is a full featured note taking application (like Xournal or Windows Journal), which allows multiple people to collaborate (like Gobby)." |
| 23:19.05 | abrotman | kboy: i'd probably use i386 personally |
| 23:19.25 | kboy | ok thanks mate |
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| 23:19.50 | abrotman | kboy: it won't see all your RAM, but it will be close |
| 23:20.10 | kboy | get it |
| 23:22.49 | kboy | abrotman: which version you prefer stable testing or unstable? |
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| 23:25.00 | kboy | abrotman: I am a beginner so I don't know so much about debian |
| 23:25.17 | ctmjr | kboy: you should install stable and learn your way around debian |
| 23:25.21 | Total_Oblivion | I'm running Debian in VM. Does this have any drawbacks on what i can install etc in contrast to HD install? |
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| 23:25.50 | digdilem | Total_Oblivion, nope |
| 23:26.04 | kboy | ctmjr: ok thanks |
| 23:26.13 | Total_Oblivion | digdilem, cheers :) |
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| 23:26.24 | digdilem | you're welcome |
| 23:26.56 | Total_Oblivion | VMs are nice to learn what debian is about, and get a bit acquianted! So far i'm liking it a lot ^^ |
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| 23:28.35 | nabblet | !xlock |
| 23:28.35 | dpkg | i heard xlock is a tool that locks your X session until you enter your password. Think of any use for such a program for yourself. |
| 23:28.53 | nabblet | Uhm, what's the alternative to xlock again? |
| 23:29.12 | centrx | xlockmore |
| 23:29.16 | abrotman | nabblet: apt-cache search xlock ? |
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| 23:30.52 | Imbue | you could use vlock in terminal |
| 23:30.56 | Imbue | with -all |
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| 23:31.47 | nabblet | it would be nice if dpkg would mention vlock, xlockmore or the apt-cache thing instead of this useless message |
| 23:31.54 | zinx | xscreensaver, gnome-screensaver, i'm sure kde has something |
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| 23:32.10 | nabblet | thank you |
| 23:32.29 | Imbue | is there a minimal xfce metapackage like gnome-core or is xfce4 the 'smallest'? |
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| 23:33.53 | nabblet | centrx: there is no xlockmore in the repos. and no xlock either |
| 23:34.47 | vimel | nabblet: try xflock4 |
| 23:35.38 | vimel | Imbue: i think xfce4 is the smallest if you want an expanded DE you install xfce4-goodies also |
| 23:35.59 | nabblet | vimel: in what package is it? |
| 23:36.22 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nabblet about search |
| 23:36.22 | nabblet | xfce? |
| 23:36.25 | Imbue | xfce4-utils |
| 23:36.26 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nabblet about apt-file |
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| 23:38.12 | nabblet | abrotman: thank you |
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| 23:38.59 | nabblet | abrotman: apt-cache search xlockmore only returns hits for some network audio system :/ |
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| 23:40.12 | themill | nabblet: I think abrotman was answering the "what package is it in" question |
| 23:40.20 | abrotman | a bit of both |
| 23:40.47 | nabblet | themill: he also pointed out the search for me |
| 23:40.56 | abrotman | nabblet: apt-cache search screen lock |
| 23:42.25 | themill | nabblet: the search factoid also tells you the answer to the "what package is it in" question |
| 23:43.36 | kboy | let me ask this, i wanna download a i386 stable version and i prefer the xfce environment, will be enough to download this file or i need other? debian-7.4.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso 2014-02-08 13:28 629M |
| 23:44.39 | abrotman | kboy: that hsould be enough for a basic install |
| 23:44.42 | Imbue | kboy it should be enough for a basic xfce install |
| 23:45.15 | kboy | thanks |
| 23:45.37 | Imbue | i am installing xfce on my 'CD-1' that is not designated as xfce, and there is only 30mb or so to download |
| 23:45.40 | nabblet | vlock it is... |
| 23:45.52 | Imbue | so the xfce one should certainly have space for it :P |
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| 23:46.15 | ted20 | Hmmm, tmux bind key doesn't work by default in debian :/ |
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| 23:46.23 | vimel | i recently install debian with xfce from cd 1 on two machines everything worked fine ootb. |
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| 23:47.02 | ted20 | vimel: mee to ;) |
| 23:47.11 | ted20 | vimel: me too, ofc ;) |
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| 23:48.40 | ted20 | Nobody knows, why tmux doesn't work? |
| 23:49.41 | nabblet | ted20: tmux works fine for me. what do you mean by bind key? |
| 23:49.47 | nabblet | ctrl+b ? |
| 23:49.55 | ted20 | nabblet: yes |
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| 23:50.48 | nabblet | ted20: well, works for me. try on a VT. cltr+alt+F1 log in, start tmux, try bind key |
| 23:50.59 | ted20 | nabblet: I create new window by ctrl + b + c = zero change |
| 23:51.06 | ted20 | nabblet: I'm in console tty2 ;) |
| 23:52.03 | nabblet | hm :( dunno |
| 23:52.11 | ted20 | nabblet: I can't create new window, why? |
| 23:52.44 | nabblet | ted20: so ctrl + b works, but you can't create a new window? |
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| 23:53.06 | joshu | is it possible to use cloud-init on debian 6? |
| 23:53.10 | nabblet | ted20: ctrl + b and then " |
| 23:53.14 | mrdeb | hi |
| 23:53.18 | ted20 | mrdeb: Hi! |
| 23:53.24 | mrdeb | do enable screen reading in gnome, what do u do |
| 23:53.29 | mrdeb | hi ted |
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| 23:56.33 | ted20 | nabblet: ohhh, ok, but this also not work... ctrl + b + " (with push a shift key or wihout) |
| 23:57.02 | ted20 | mrdeb: Screet reading? This is...? |
| 23:57.19 | ted20 | *Screen ofc ;) |
| 23:57.54 | mrdeb | well it is for my grandma |
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| 23:58.55 | ted20 | mrdeb: Haha, really? |
| 23:59.01 | themill | ted20: I don't know if you're just misusing the notation or if you're not using the right keystrokes. Screen and tmux typically use «Ctrl+b, $key» (that is two separate key strokes not one as a chord) |
