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| 00:01.21 | nabblet | ted20: press ctrl and b key at the same time, release both, wait 1 second, press " |
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| 00:02.00 | mrdeb | why is orca and evolution and gedit not includes in gnome install |
| 00:02.05 | mrdeb | they should be |
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| 00:02.59 | abrotman | looks at eir |
| 00:03.07 | ted20 | nabblet: really works! |
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| 00:03.20 | themill | mrdeb: they are |
| 00:03.49 | mrdeb | no they are not in the iso |
| 00:03.59 | mrdeb | i just intsalled it again |
| 00:04.01 | abrotman | so download them from the internet sources |
| 00:04.06 | mrdeb | i did |
| 00:04.16 | themill | mrdeb: it may surprise you to know that not everything in debian fits on one cd |
| 00:04.17 | abrotman | not seeing a problem |
| 00:04.19 | mrdeb | i mean they should be already part of it, so u dont get a broken system to start |
| 00:04.32 | mrdeb | it is problem |
| 00:04.34 | pav5088 | themill, found my issue with certs and dhcpd - the patch is brittle... maybe broken. It also only supports openssl and not GnuTLS... which means different configuration options. Even though I'm using "correct" options it's still crashing hard and giving me traces. |
| 00:04.53 | themill | pav5088: yay! |
| 00:05.23 | pav5088 | themill, :-/ not really.... |
| 00:05.45 | themill | fussy |
| 00:05.59 | pav5088 | I don't believe how difficult it is to use any kind of encryption. |
| 00:06.34 | ted20 | nabblet: I'm in migrating from screen to tmux, screen very differs from tmux ;) |
| 00:06.34 | mrdeb | why |
| 00:06.53 | pav5088 | I'm really wanting to get to helping out Benoit with the fai4 + fusiondirectory, but this has me stopped cold. |
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| 00:07.23 | Okee | I am a bit confused. Does Cournal work on the Mac? Or is this only a Linux program: cournal-0.2.1.tar.xz |
| 00:07.36 | themill | mrdeb: if you want to install more stuff from CDs then either download more CD images or download DVD1 |
| 00:07.49 | mrdeb | i cant |
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| 00:07.58 | mrdeb | it needs to be under 700mb and on one cd |
| 00:08.02 | Okee | I am looking for something like Xournal, but for the max. I currently use Xournal on Debian Linux and love it. Earlier someone on here said take a look at journal, but I don't see how this works with the Mac OSX. |
| 00:08.06 | themill | mrdeb: good luck! |
| 00:08.11 | abrotman | Okee: I told you, Tomboy |
| 00:08.21 | Okee | http://cournal-project.org/ |
| 00:08.25 | mrdeb | my one computer only reads cd |
| 00:08.27 | abrotman | or keep ignoring me .. |
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| 00:08.52 | Imbue | which DM is the most lightweight besides xdm? or is that really a meaningless question (is their resource usage relevant) |
| 00:09.01 | abrotman | Okee: what are you actually looking for? |
| 00:09.07 | abrotman | Imbue: slim or lightdm |
| 00:09.08 | Imbue | need something to pair with xfce |
| 00:09.16 | abrotman | Imbue: slim or lightdm |
| 00:09.23 | Imbue | thanks x2 ;P |
| 00:09.30 | mrdeb | also i had to remove tracker by purge for search to work |
| 00:09.35 | Okee | abrotman> A pdf typewriter for the mac, that gives you the ability to use a real signature with your mouse. |
| 00:09.38 | mrdeb | why is tracker installed and in stable iso, it should be deleted |
| 00:09.47 | abrotman | Okee: I told you how to do this days ago ... |
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| 00:09.58 | abrotman | mrdeb: please stop whining .. it's getting old |
| 00:10.11 | abrotman | mrdeb: You haven't filed any bugs, or offered to do any work |
| 00:11.04 | Okee | Abrotman> I think you recommended Xournal, which only works on Linux. i have been using it on Linux, and it works great; better than Adobe Acrobat. But today I am on a Mabcook, so I would like to find something else to run. I don't think Xournal works on the Mac OSX. |
| 00:11.08 | mrdeb | i can do work but i dont understand |
| 00:11.13 | mrdeb | ok, doesnt mean i am stupid |
| 00:11.15 | abrotman | Okee: I didn't recommend Xournal |
| 00:11.26 | ted20 | nabblet: BTW thx for help! |
| 00:11.35 | abrotman | Okee: I told you to use Inkscape |
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| 00:12.08 | Okee | abrotman> By default Inkscape only sees the first page of a multi-page documents. So it won't work. But it is a great graphics program otherwise. |
| 00:12.19 | Okee | Xournal is great for Linux. |
| 00:12.49 | themill | Okee: you could try to get it to work under macos then. Should be possible. |
| 00:12.51 | nabblet | ted20: you're welcome |
| 00:13.12 | mrdeb | also i want to say thank u for putting iceweasel 24 in main repo. this makes me very happy |
| 00:14.21 | Okee | We need icedove in main repos, since version 17.0+ is buggy and locks up. |
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| 00:15.09 | mrdeb | what is newest ESR icedove? |
| 00:15.19 | mrdeb | also, does icedove work with gnome calendar meno or only evolution |
| 00:15.37 | ted20 | maroloccio: Hmm, icedove, look at wiki ;) |
| 00:15.48 | ted20 | mrdeb: Hmm, icedove, look at wiki ;) |
| 00:15.56 | ted20 | maroloccio: sorry |
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| 00:22.13 | ajoul | yo |
| 00:22.25 | ajoul | How do I find what graphics card I have in debian |
| 00:22.36 | abrotman | ajoul: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 00:22.54 | ajoul | is there a shortcut for terminal on debian? |
| 00:23.01 | ted20 | ajoul: yes ;) |
| 00:23.29 | ted20 | ajoul: or console e.g. tty1 (ctrl + alt + F1) |
| 00:23.40 | ted20 | *or in |
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| 00:26.38 | ajoul | ted20 |
| 00:26.41 | ajoul | not cool bro |
| 00:27.32 | ajoul | what you told me to press blanked my screen and then restarded my computer |
| 00:27.42 | themill | umm |
| 00:27.46 | nightfly | it shouldn't have |
| 00:27.58 | nightfly | it should have brought you to a virtual terminal |
| 00:28.17 | ajoul | Well my screen went blank and a huge terminal opened that covered my entire screen |
| 00:28.20 | Rubas | ajoul: it should have been a black screen with Login: |
| 00:28.21 | ajoul | I couldn't type anything there |
| 00:28.36 | Rubas | to get back you should have pressed ctrl + alt + F7 |
| 00:28.38 | ajoul | so I had to start |
| 00:28.44 | nightfly | no you didn't |
| 00:28.48 | ajoul | I tried all the ctrl+alt+F's |
| 00:28.52 | ajoul | and my computer restarded |
| 00:28.59 | abrotman | ajoul: please don't hit enter every third word |
| 00:29.06 | ajoul | sorry abrotman |
| 00:29.45 | ajoul | so, whats the shortcut to the terminal |
| 00:29.54 | ajoul | and whats the difference between root terminal and normal terminal |
| 00:29.55 | Rubas | but what ted20 wrote to you was not wrong. |
| 00:30.03 | themill | ajoul: take a wild guess |
| 00:30.08 | abrotman | ajoul: stop hitting enter |
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| 00:30.12 | Rubas | root terminal can make fatal changes, while normal terminal wont |
| 00:30.26 | Rubas | or can't |
| 00:30.39 | Rubas | sorry abrotman :P |
| 00:30.52 | ajoul | How to open root terminal with the hit of a button? |
| 00:30.59 | abrotman | you don't want to do that .. |
| 00:31.19 | ted20 | ajoul: Maybe open virtual terminal? |
| 00:31.24 | themill | ajoul: considering your history, perhaps best avoided. |
| 00:31.49 | ajoul | Ok, so is there a shortcut to either terminal? |
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| 00:32.43 | ted20 | ajoul: you're using a gnome/kde or other WM? |
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| 00:37.22 | ajoul | whats the difference? |
| 00:38.20 | ted20 | ajoul: huge |
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| 00:38.54 | ajoul | is it different versions of the same distro? |
| 00:39.50 | ted20 | ajoul: No basically |
| 00:40.34 | Ganymede | Hey, does anyone know how to tell MIT Kerberos key server (krb5-kdc) which address to bind to? I checked kdc.conf and didn't find anything about bind address. |
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| 00:41.07 | ted20 | You're using a debian/or other linux disto? With default desktop environmen? |
| 00:41.21 | ted20 | *evironment |
| 00:41.23 | ajoul | Yes |
| 00:41.58 | ted20 | This is gnome 3... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Debian.png |
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| 00:42.42 | ted20 | So, open virtual terminal and enter command lspci | grep VGA |
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| 00:43.41 | ajoul | My graphics card driver takes forever to install, like LITERALLY |
| 00:43.52 | centrx | Do you mean figuratively |
| 00:44.12 | ajoul | does anyone want to desktop share? |
| 00:44.15 | ajoul | just for fun |
| 00:44.18 | Zharf | o.O |
| 00:44.20 | str3 | share? |
| 00:44.28 | ted20 | ajoul: Look at teamviewer ;) |
| 00:44.47 | ajoul | ted20, yeah I know about it, but I want to see the build-in desktop sharing program for debian! |
| 00:45.02 | str3 | how about no |
| 00:45.16 | ted20 | ajoul: VNC ;) |
| 00:45.33 | ajoul | Do people need my IP to see my screen? |
| 00:45.36 | ted20 | ajoul: or ssh ;) |
| 00:45.58 | str3 | o_O |
| 00:45.58 | ted20 | ajoul: Yes, or hostname/domain |
| 00:46.03 | Imbue | wow, xfce runs really well on this ancient laptop. |
| 00:46.04 | ted20 | str3: :D |
| 00:46.13 | ajoul | can someone try to connect to my screen? |
| 00:46.19 | str3 | Imbue: xfce is wm of the gods |
| 00:46.27 | str3 | ajoul: please dont run any vnc without ssh tunneling it |
| 00:46.34 | str3 | it doesnt encrypt anything except initial password |
| 00:46.44 | ajoul | what is vnc? |
| 00:46.47 | Ritzton | I am sorry I do have this problem, there is the solution here : http://pyro.eu.org/how-to/micro/syslog-ng-error-setting-capabilities-openvz.txt but I don't really understand what to do ? |
| 00:46.52 | ajoul | I just enabled the default screen sharing |
| 00:47.00 | ted20 | ajoul: ok, but why? |
| 00:47.18 | ajoul | I just wanna see how it works |
| 00:47.29 | Ritzton | is it just a command to run ? or do I have to set this in a file ? |
| 00:47.53 | mrdeb | i reinstalled deb 7.4 today again |
| 00:47.58 | Imbue | str3: do you have any recommendation for a media player that doesn't require 1 bil dependencies? |
| 00:48.06 | Imbue | i am trying to keep this system light as possible |
| 00:48.07 | ajoul | ted20 can I connect to your screen and see how your debian looks like? |
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| 00:48.18 | mrdeb | Imbue: mpv |
| 00:48.55 | str3 | Imbue: yes |
| 00:49.03 | str3 | well, i dont know about dependencies |
| 00:49.05 | str3 | but smplayer |
| 00:49.08 | ted20 | ajoul: Maybe show you my screen via jpg? |
| 00:49.10 | str3 | is a good frontend |
| 00:49.30 | ajoul | ted20 sure |
| 00:49.41 | str3 | if you want media functionality you shouldnt be too concerned with dependencies though |
| 00:49.42 | Imbue | str3, for audio and video, or just for video? |
| 00:49.50 | str3 | i was thinking video |
| 00:50.18 | str3 | i dont have an audioplayer as good as foobar2k on windows is, yet |
| 00:50.30 | Imbue | haha yes, fb2k is awesome |
| 00:50.52 | str3 | but i dont listen to music much on debian, i use a windows box connected to some hifi gear |
| 00:51.00 | str3 | so i havent really been looking yet |
| 00:51.02 | Imbue | it is funny, people seem to make their mp3 player want to do backflips. i might find a terminal mp3 player just for fun. |
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| 00:51.15 | ajoul | ted20 look how shitty my debian looks like http://s29.postimg.org/4f3mmoqw7/Screenshot_from_2014_02_15_19_50_05.png |
| 00:51.20 | ajoul | it looks like it has cancer |
| 00:51.21 | Imbue | it needs to support play /folder and that is it, lol |
| 00:51.42 | hermogenes | Imbue: moc |
| 00:52.28 | str3 | Imbue: if you're into media you might wanna check out deb-multimedia.org as repo addition |
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| 00:53.04 | Imbue | str the laptop is too weak to play much stuff really but it would be nice to have at least h.264 low res, i will fiddle with it at a later date tho |
| 00:53.08 | Imbue | music is important for now. :P |
| 00:53.09 | str3 | builds a lot of stuff for convenience, updates some other packages more frequently, etc |
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| 00:53.54 | ted20 | ajoul: My screen http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/yjb9s.png |
| 00:53.57 | Imbue | i am also fed up of fucking around with ati drivers, at some point i will just buy a cheap laptop with intel gpu |
| 00:54.25 | str3 | my thinkpad has igp yea, works well enough |
| 00:54.30 | mrdeb | yes Imbue intel works |
| 00:54.37 | ted20 | ajoul: Ohh, this is small image |
| 00:54.39 | mrdeb | nvidia works too but is more pain. ati is broken |
| 00:54.41 | str3 | i have two desktops one with nv one with amd |
| 00:54.49 | Imbue | i have a machine with HD4000 (i think!) and it is flawless |
| 00:54.50 | str3 | on debian jessie amd was a bitch so far |
| 00:54.52 | str3 | what are you running? |
| 00:55.08 | ajoul | ted20 I have a big screen but my resolution sucks for some reason, my debian looks shit thats why I have been complaining |
| 00:55.11 | Imbue | this laptop is a tiny sort of netbook PoS but is useful for lugging around |
| 00:55.16 | ajoul | its very hard to use, yours looks nice |
| 00:55.22 | ted20 | ajoul: 1 sec ;) http://postimg.org/image/9ksqleffn/ |
| 00:55.29 | Imbue | i like the BeOS skin for xfce... lol |
| 00:55.53 | ajoul | how did you customize it? |
| 00:56.03 | str3 | my shitty clutter https://blog.str3iber.com/files/2014/01/debian.png |
| 00:56.53 | ajoul | wtf, how come and my debian looks like an 80's cancer patient with AIDS and you have all these sleek looking cool desktops |
| 00:57.00 | str3 | xfce themes |
| 00:57.06 | str3 | thats pretty much it |
| 00:57.20 | str3 | and conky i guess |
| 00:57.23 | ajoul | how to get them? |
| 00:57.28 | str3 | are you running xfce? |
| 00:57.37 | str3 | http://xfce-look.org/ |
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| 00:58.07 | ted20 | ajoul: Hah :D I'm using a fluxbox & chromium. My virtual terminal's tilda ;) |
| 00:58.42 | ajoul | http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/simpliX?content=156243 |
| 00:58.46 | ajoul | should I get this one? |
| 00:58.57 | str3 | not unless you like it |
| 00:59.02 | ted20 | ajoul: Download & Install ;) |
| 01:00.19 | str3 | just browse around, find something you like, customize your terminal, etc |
| 01:00.21 | ted20 | ajoul: I prefer fluxbox/openbox ;) Look at http://box-look.org/content/show.php/Black-Dust2?content=163324 ;) |
| 01:00.40 | str3 | lots of good wms and dms and blah |
| 01:00.54 | ajoul | I like this one, http://box-look.org/content/show.php/Black-Dust2?content=163324 |
| 01:01.01 | str3 | i have a tiling wm on backup to launch when needed personally |
| 01:01.02 | ajoul | which do I download? |
| 01:01.20 | ted20 | ajoul: click download button ;) |
| 01:02.01 | ted20 | ajoul: whatever ;) |
| 01:02.26 | ajoul | and how do I install? |
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| 01:02.53 | Imbue | moc is cool, thanks a lot to whoever suggested it |
| 01:04.01 | Jeena | I am using update-rc.d to start a script at boot time, but I would like to start it as a specific user, not as root. How would I do that? |
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| 01:05.00 | ajoul | how do I install a .theme? |
| 01:05.17 | ted20 | Jeena: Edit script code ;) |
| 01:05.31 | ted20 | Jeena: In /etc/init.d/your-script ;) |
| 01:05.34 | str3 | Jeena: su it with that user as param unless im misunderstanding you |
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| 01:06.07 | ted20 | ajoul: Install fluxbox ;) |
| 01:06.37 | Jeena | so instead in start) of /etc/initd.d/foo.sh doing just foo --start I should first do su jeena; and then foo --start? |
| 01:06.44 | ted20 | ajoul: You're from US/UK? |
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| 01:09.25 | str3 | Jeena: i only do this on redhat based systems, but for me something like su --shell=... --session-command="foo" username does the trick |
| 01:09.54 | str3 | your mileage may vary, if you just want any user *but* root then do what ted20 said |
| 01:09.58 | ajoul | how to test my graphics drivers? |
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| 01:11.05 | ted20 | ajoul: e.g. glxgears in console |
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| 01:16.23 | ajoul | how do I install the theme I just downloaded? can someone explain? I downloaded fluxbox |
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| 01:17.04 | ted20 | ajoul: move to .fluxbox/style |
| 01:17.34 | ted20 | e.g. in terminal mv your-theme ~/.fluxbox/styles ;) |
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| 01:18.04 | ted20 | sorry mv your-theme ~/.fluxbox/style ;) |
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| 01:18.52 | ted20 | Good night ;) |
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| 01:21.24 | Doxin | "mysql-server : Depends: mysql-server-5.5 but it is not going to be installed" now what? |
| 01:21.58 | ajoul | ted20 and how do I enable it? |
| 01:23.04 | centrx | Doxin, Did you do something before this message appeared, or did it randomly pop up while you were watching cat videos? |
| 01:23.05 | ajoul | also there is no folder fluxbox |
| 01:23.28 | Doxin | centrx: funny. I tried to apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 01:23.39 | ajoul | Doxin andddddddd? |
| 01:24.19 | Doxin | ajoul: the whole story in log form: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/aW4MWqcJ8iVupAwnS2jw/ |
| 01:24.28 | centrx | Doxin, What does apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.5 say? |
| 01:24.54 | Doxin | centrx: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/McD1Va86VdmlndgVv6IJ/ |
| 01:26.22 | centrx | Doxin, How about apt-cache policy in general |
| 01:26.28 | centrx | Doxin, Are you running a complete testing? |
| 01:26.35 | Doxin | centrx: no |
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| 01:28.27 | ajoul | is everyone so busy to take few mins out of their busy schedule to instruct me on how to use my little fingers to type commands that will make my debian look less sick? |
| 01:28.30 | centrx | Doxin, Mixing testing with stable is bound to cause problems. What are you trying to do? |
| 01:28.43 | centrx | ajoul, Are you running the fluxbox window manager |
| 01:28.47 | Doxin | centrx: I am trying to get mysql installed. |
| 01:29.01 | ajoul | centrx I installed fluxbox but it doesnt appear in my menu or in ~/.fluxbox |
| 01:29.32 | centrx | ajoul, You can create that ~/.fluxbox directory |
| 01:29.37 | ajoul | I used package manager to do that |
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| 01:29.47 | Doxin | centrx: the testing stuff is from a while back. stable is so out of date sometimes it's not even funny |
| 01:30.07 | centrx | ajoul, edit your ~/.xinitrc file to run fluxbox like "exec fluxbox" as the last line |
| 01:30.13 | Jeena | nice, thanks ted20 and str3 it works now with su -c "foo --start" - jeena |
| 01:30.23 | str3 | np |
| 01:30.23 | centrx | Doxin, I know, but you may be better off upgrading the whole thing to testing and tracking testing |
| 01:30.28 | Doxin | right |
| 01:30.42 | Doxin | centrx: how do I? |
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| 01:31.00 | ajoul | centrx I move my theme there and then what? |
| 01:31.07 | Doxin | centrx: (excuse the ignorance) |
| 01:32.22 | centrx | Doxin, Remove the wheezy/stable lines from sources.list and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:32.49 | centrx | Doxin, Assuming you do not have pinning, which would be shown by apt-cache policy |
| 01:32.49 | ajoul | centrx Error: Couldn't find screens to manage.Make sure you don't have another window manager running. |
| 01:32.55 | ajoul | after running fluxbox |
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| 01:33.15 | centrx | ajoul, Right, you need to restart X with fluxbox being run from ~/.xinitrc |
| 01:33.18 | ctmjr | you have to log out and back in to change wm |
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| 01:33.59 | Doxin | centrx: fingers crossed |
| 01:34.05 | ajoul | centrx how to do that? |
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| 01:34.36 | centrx | ajoul, Maybe update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 01:35.09 | ajoul | why you think fluxbox is too hard to configure? |
| 01:35.13 | ctmjr | ask in #fluxbox |
| 01:35.51 | ajoul | I did |
| 01:35.59 | Doxin | centrx: whoops, where's the config file containing APT::Default-Release again? google isn't being helpful |
| 01:37.16 | centrx | Doxin, Probably /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 01:37.31 | Doxin | yep found it |
| 01:38.12 | Doxin | well, here goes nothing |
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| 01:49.48 | ajoul | how do I open root folder |
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| 01:50.11 | ajoul | how do I access folders as root |
| 01:50.37 | ajoul | thx |
| 01:50.47 | ajoul | themill? |
| 01:50.53 | themill | !wayttd |
| 01:50.53 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 01:51.15 | ajoul | I am trying to access a folder that is in ~/.something and over root terminal I have access to it |
| 01:51.20 | ajoul | but on windows explorer I dont |
| 01:51.48 | themill | I still have no idea what you're trying to do. |
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| 01:53.17 | ajoul | themill, I am trying to access .fluxbox folder to edit the config |
| 01:53.36 | themill | the user should edit their own config files |
| 01:54.02 | themill | stop doing things as root... we've been over this already |
| 01:54.38 | ajoul | themill I need access to root folder no matter what |
| 01:54.40 | ajoul | how do I do it? |
| 01:55.07 | themill | if you're editing your fluxbox configuration you should be doing that as your logged in user and not as root |
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| 01:58.11 | anunez | hi all |
| 01:58.32 | anunez | could anyone please help me with some randr issues? |
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| 01:59.37 | anunez | anyone? |
| 02:00.00 | centrx | !ask |
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| 02:00.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:00.22 | anunez | ok |
| 02:00.31 | anunez | the scenario is just a little complex |
| 02:00.35 | anunez | not that much actually |
| 02:00.48 | anunez | it is that I just bought a beamer |
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| 02:00.56 | anunez | and I need some horizontal keystone |
| 02:01.05 | anunez | that is not made by the beamer |
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| 02:01.20 | anunez | it can only do vertical keystone |
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| 02:01.29 | anunez | I know I can do it with xrandr |
| 02:01.35 | anunez | and I've been trying |
| 02:01.39 | centrx | beamer? keystone? |
| 02:01.43 | anunez | but this is a little confuse |
| 02:02.09 | anunez | proyector = beamer; keystone = horizontal/vertical correction |
| 02:02.16 | anunez | projector* |
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| 02:03.47 | themill | I don't know of any software-based keystone correction. Maybe one of the compositing WMs could apply that sort of transformation |
| 02:03.54 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, I am on a OSX, I installed debian on virtualbox, it works fine, but when i full screen the client, it doesn't full screen completly, it's just a small box with the console |
| 02:04.02 | anunez | xrandr --transform |
| 02:04.05 | anunez | can do taht |
| 02:04.06 | anunez | that |
| 02:04.15 | anunez | I have some specific quesitions about that |
| 02:04.21 | Ephexeve | when I clikc on insert guest additon cd image, nothing happens, nothing in /media, nada! |
| 02:04.25 | Ephexeve | any clue? |
| 02:04.26 | themill | anunez: oh. cool. You learn something every day ;) |
| 02:04.39 | anunez | could you point me to the correct irc channel or information source? |
| 02:04.53 | anunez | xDD themill |
| 02:06.12 | themill | anunez: just ask, you may well find someone here who knows |
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| 02:11.01 | chipotle | how can i see what version of debian i'm using? |
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| 02:11.16 | centrx | chipotle, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:11.28 | chipotle | centrx: thanks |
| 02:11.41 | themill | chipotle: there's no simple answer to that, but for simple configurations that have been kept up-to-date, what centrx said |
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| 02:17.46 | mrdeb | waht version of gnome will be in debian 8 |
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| 02:18.12 | themill | mrdeb: the current one at the time the release preparation happens |
| 02:18.33 | mrdeb | i said version |
| 02:18.44 | themill | mrdeb: you could look into your own crystal ball |
| 02:18.58 | mrdeb | i am liking gnome 3 after setting it up correctly |
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| 02:20.41 | evilll | hi all! " W: Error GPG: http://deb.torproject.org wheezy Release: signatures cannot be veryfied cause key sis not available: NO_PUBKEY 74A941BA219EC810 |
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| 02:21.28 | evilll | W: Error GPG: http://www.remastesys.com wheezy Release: signatures cannot be veryfied cause key sis not available: NO_PUBKEY B6068D255563B35 |
| 02:21.39 | evilll | how can i fix it? |
| 02:22.08 | evilll | i googled it, tried 1 variant but it didn't help |
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| 02:24.27 | ctmjr | evilll: it will be somewhere on their site |
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| 02:26.33 | evilll | no |
| 02:26.38 | evilll | it is not |
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| 02:28.42 | hermogenes | !wayttd |
| 02:28.42 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
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| 02:29.34 | mrdeb | hey guys |
| 02:29.42 | pav5088 | Hi... there doesn't seem to be a *-dbg package for isc-dhcp-server-ldap. Is there any way to modify the package sources to get this debug info? |
| 02:29.43 | dequeued | hello |
| 02:29.48 | mrdeb | so some systems iso doesnt install gnome even if desktop is selected |
| 02:29.49 | mrdeb | why is this |
| 02:29.56 | mrdeb | if space is smallers or what |
| 02:30.10 | mrdeb | selects 200 packages ant not 800 |
| 02:30.55 | centrx | "some systems" ? |
| 02:31.02 | ctmjr | http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org/dists/stable/Release.gpg sorry you lose |
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| 02:31.59 | centrx | pav5088, You'll have to download the source (apt-get source) and compile with debug symbols |
| 02:32.24 | centrx | pav5088, Assuming that is what you are looking for... |
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| 02:33.51 | pav5088 | centrx, I already have the source... |
| 02:33.52 | mrdeb | centrx: yes on desktop it is fine - goes up to select 800 but on laptop only 200 and put on base+x but not gnome |
| 02:33.53 | mrdeb | why is this |
| 02:34.17 | pav5088 | centrx, but I'm unsure how to compile with debug symbols |
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| 02:37.03 | mrdeb | helllo?? |
| 02:38.49 | evilll | ctmjr: what is it? |
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| 02:39.23 | centrx | pav5088, It is an option with configure, or it might already compile with the debug symbols, (which were then removed with strip in the Debian package) |
| 02:39.28 | evilll | ctmjr: understood |
| 02:39.32 | ctmjr | it is the gpg key you where looking for |
| 02:39.43 | evilll | it is signature, but why i can do it by terminal |
| 02:39.47 | evilll | ? |
| 02:39.55 | evilll | *from terminal |
| 02:39.57 | centrx | mrdeb, I am not sure what you are referring to. Different people choose KDE, or XFCE, or LXDE instead of Gnome |
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| 02:40.17 | evilll | and for remastersys also |
| 02:40.25 | evilll | is must be autimatic |
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| 02:40.40 | ctmjr | here this is the easy way https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian |
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| 02:41.31 | hermogenes | dpkg: tell evilll about secure apt |
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| 02:42.41 | mrdeb | centrx: when u install from iso, u get to select screen that says base utils and desktop environ |
| 02:42.55 | mrdeb | both have stars, but on not aon all systems it install desktop environ |
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| 02:43.05 | evilll | ctmjr: i did it |
| 02:43.08 | evilll | same |
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| 02:44.59 | centrx | mrdeb, Are you speaking English? |
| 02:45.34 | snadge | there's nothing about systemd in the topic ;) |
| 02:45.45 | ajoul | centrx help a friend, donate your knoweldge know, call 1-800-NOOB-HOTLINE |
| 02:45.51 | ajoul | now* |
| 02:45.53 | ab64cm | i'm having a problem with my webcam where the picture is very dark. i can barely see myself. i tried out mediaplayer, camorama, vlc, and it's dark with all of them so it's not program-specific |
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| 02:46.19 | mrdeb | ok so if dont know |
| 02:46.46 | ajoul | ok so, what I am trying to do is access rooooot |
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| 02:47.05 | evilll | ctmjr: thank you! success! |
| 02:47.45 | evilll | hermogenes: what you want to tell me? |
| 02:49.01 | hermogenes | evilll: nevermind. your problem were solved. its allright. |
| 02:49.04 | ajoul | what is the off-topic channel again |
| 02:49.08 | ajoul | that people go there to troll? |
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| 02:49.37 | ctmjr | #defocus |
| 02:50.21 | ctmjr | and if you troll you will be kicked |
| 02:50.34 | snadge | sysvinit package is still marked as essential? or this info is out of date |
| 02:54.13 | ab64cm | anyone? |
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| 02:56.21 | fishcooker | i have server that doesn't install xorg.. i want to disable input devices; mouse and keyboard.. what should i do? |
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| 02:57.43 | epsilon | cook your own kernel without drivers for PS2/USB/input devices |
| 02:58.40 | innmalint | has anyone succesfully gotten back tty's after installing nvidia drivers? |
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| 02:59.30 | epsilon | but if you just want to prevent someone logging in at the box, take a look at /etc/inittab to disable tty |
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| 03:01.03 | snadge | except with systemd.. there is no /etc/inittab ;) |
| 03:02.50 | epsilon | systemd? oh that hocus pocus |
| 03:02.57 | epsilon | :) |
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| 03:05.26 | ctmjr | ab64cm: there is v4l2ucp do not know if it still works do not have a web cam to test it. it is still in the repo's |
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| 03:06.15 | hermogenes | ab64cm: maybe you can solve the problem by passing a better brightness value to the video4linux driver. For instance, with vlc add ":v4l-brightness=X" |
| 03:06.41 | ab64cm | ctmjr, thanks, i just installed it |
| 03:07.25 | ab64cm | hermogenes, well in camorama i tried increasing the brightness slider but it didn't work to make the picture brighter |
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| 03:08.59 | ab64cm | i just increased brightness with v4l2ucp and it does make the picture more visible but also whiter and washed out, not brighter the way i need it to be brighter |
| 03:09.41 | ctmjr | are there other settings like contrast |
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| 03:11.04 | ab64cm | yes, i'm playing with then and i can actually see my face now but it's washed out in grey as if it's black and white and no color |
| 03:11.10 | ab64cm | and still not a clear image |
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| 03:12.18 | ab64cm | i know you guys don't have much to go on. it's a weird problem |
| 03:13.09 | ctmjr | if it has a gamma setting that would be the next thing to try |
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| 03:14.04 | ab64cm | there is. i turned the gamma all the way up and it helped but still no colors really. it's like a black and white camera |
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| 03:15.57 | mrdeb | ab64cm: what about in vlc |
| 03:15.58 | ab64cm | http://i.imgur.com/St1H1aF.png |
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| 03:16.26 | ab64cm | i'm using vlc to capture the image |
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| 03:17.58 | mrdeb | yes vlc can do many things |
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| 03:22.51 | Okee | Is anyone running dropbox? I tried using the commands on their site for Debian download, and it didn't install. I ended up with a big mess : https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx I like Wuala, but not sure if it will work in Windows. I just installed in on Linux, and it is supposed to be a lot more private and secure. |
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| 03:25.30 | zophy | you haz cheezburger ? |
| 03:25.36 | abrotman | looks at irccloud .. |
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| 03:28.30 | ctmjr | ab64cm: you might ask in #v4l they use to be a big help but have not been there in a long time |
| 03:29.23 | ab64cm | ctmjr, they never reply in there. i asked several times |
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| 03:30.10 | ab64cm | ctmjr, thanks for your help though |
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| 03:36.23 | Ganymede | So I've come across a number of diskwait processes (D state) and I've tried to sudo kill -9 them, but after issuing the kill -9 numerous times, the processes are still around. How can I get rid of those processses without rebooting the box? |
| 03:36.34 | centrx | What are they? |
| 03:36.38 | centrx | !paste |
| 03:36.38 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 03:37.12 | abrotman | Ganymede: if they've gone zombie, you can't, you have to reboot |
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| 03:38.47 | Ganymede | I can't disclose what the process is because of company policy but it's stuck in diskwait most likely because of a hard NFS mount in which the NFS server became unavailable. |
| 03:38.56 | Ganymede | NFSv3. |
| 03:39.13 | Ganymede | They're not marked as zombies in ps output. |
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| 03:43.24 | abrotman | Ganymede: so they should resolve eventually? |
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| 03:45.28 | Ganymede | abrotman: I've seen them stay in D for a couple of days. |
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| 03:46.11 | abrotman | but they do go away? |
| 03:46.19 | abrotman | Does it harm anything to have them .. wait? |
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| 03:47.46 | Ganymede | In a way, yes, a monitoring system counts diskwait process and flags machines with excess diskwait processes, because excess diskwait processes are an indication of a different problem that we commonly have in our environment. |
| 03:48.08 | abrotman | so, false positive? |
| 03:48.21 | Ganymede | And our monitoring system is unable to determine between that other problem and this one, both show the same symptoms, which is excess diskwait processes. |
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| 03:49.37 | abrotman | it doesn't have a .. grep ? |
| 03:50.21 | Ganymede | Well in both cases, it's the same processes that are diskwaiting. It's just for different reasons. |
| 03:51.04 | Ganymede | Regardless, I'd like a way to clean up these diskwaits processes without rebooting the box. I can't have them piling up forever. |
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| 03:52.16 | themill | do you mount the nfs shares with hard or soft failure? |
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| 03:53.17 | Moor | 'kay, I'm having a weird experience installing Skype, if anyone can help me. |
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| 03:53.53 | Moor | I've downloaded the .deb file, done dpkg --add-architecture (I'm on 64 bit) |
| 03:54.37 | abrotman | and? |
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| 03:55.28 | Moor | But when I try to install it, it says skype depends on... and a bunch of libs. |
| 03:55.36 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Moor about skype |
| 03:55.51 | themill | Moor: and does the requisite "apt-get -f install" not work? |
| 03:55.59 | Moor | And when I try to do aptitude install -f skype, the only suggestion it has is to remove it. |
| 03:56.34 | Moor | I'm on testing. |
| 03:58.13 | barw | is it wheezy or squeeze? |
| 03:58.31 | Devastatr | wheezy is stable, jessie is testing |
| 03:58.38 | Moor | Neither -- Jessie. Testing. |
| 03:59.01 | abrotman | Moor: you can say 'n' and see what else it suggests |
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| 03:59.22 | Moor | *** No more solutions available *** |
| 03:59.24 | themill | (also, don't use -f there or, better, use apt-get) |
| 04:00.31 | Ganymede | themill: hard |
| 04:00.44 | Moor | apt-get -f install skype says "... but is not installable" for all of the libs. |
| 04:01.11 | themill | dpkg: tell Moor about bat |
| 04:01.21 | themill | Moor: did you apt-get update? |
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| 04:02.42 | Moor | ... themill: No, I haven't. Gimme sec/minute/time. |
| 04:02.45 | barw | once you add the arch |
| 04:02.52 | barw | just run update and upgrade |
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| 04:05.53 | Moor | Yeah, I'm smart like that. |
| 04:06.18 | Moor | By the way, themill: May I ask why "don't use -f there or, better, use apt-get"? |
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| 04:07.24 | themill | Moor: -f tells aptitude to ignore the "install" command which isn't what you want. aptitude will still tend to prefer removing the newly installed package whereas apt-get can't |
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| 04:07.54 | themill | aptitude and apt-get have slightly different meanings for -f |
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| 04:27.29 | biffbaxter | any livebuilders here...I am getting a change directory to chroot error on 64bit when following the same livebuild scripts on i386 it works perfectly. I am assuming its related to env path or architecture. But I am specifying that on execution |
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| 04:35.32 | kini | wow, there's twice as many people here as in the official channel on OFTC |
| 04:35.45 | Jaami | emulator show only logo and does not pass through the logo screen. created different AVDs but nothing worked. what i should do to fix that issue? |
| 04:35.48 | centrx | Correct |
| 04:36.14 | centrx | I always thought that OFTC split was silly |
| 04:37.03 | kini | can anyone help me figure out how to get networking set up on the debian 7.4 livecd? |
| 04:37.26 | kini | I'm coming from gentoo so I'm not sure what tools I should be looking for |
| 04:37.39 | kini | wpa_cli seems to exist but there's no wpa_supplicant service for it to connect to (?) |
| 04:38.04 | kini | oh sorry I should specify that the networking I want to get set up is a wlan connection |
| 04:38.20 | Ganymede | I just use a shell script to set up wireless connection...but I can see why that sucks. |
| 04:39.06 | kini | oh hey, there is in fact a `wpa_supplicant` program, it just doesn't have an rc script to daemonize it for some reason... |
| 04:39.08 | kini | surely there's a higher-level way to do this? |
| 04:39.14 | kini | some magic dpkg thing, maybe? :P |
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| 04:42.12 | kini | maybe I should use a more full-fledged livecd like sysresccd or something to do my pre-installation backup... |
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| 04:43.01 | abrotman | centrx: what was your old nick, yo uhaven't been here long enough to know about hte OFTC split |
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| 04:44.41 | centrx | abrotman, I may not have been on IRC/#debian at the time. I used to read everything in the debian-devel mailing list |
| 04:45.18 | centrx | abrotman, I wasn't on IRC from 2007-2013, but I have always been centrx! |
| 04:45.31 | abrotman | I've been here far longer, you weren't around before that :) |
| 04:46.31 | centrx | I was on DALnet before 2002 when it was DDOSed into oblivion |
| 04:47.18 | abrotman | no one was on DALnet, that's crazy talk |
| 04:47.22 | centrx | #windows95 ! |
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| 04:48.11 | Devastatr | iirc, the reason of OFTC split wasn't because of DDoS |
| 04:48.59 | abrotman | it wsan't |
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| 05:12.11 | Jaami | what to do with this error: error libGL.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 05:12.22 | centrx | Figure out where it came from |
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| 05:12.36 | Jaami | it came from android emulator |
| 05:12.54 | centrx | It probably wants GL libraries installed |
| 05:12.59 | Jaami | is it OpenGl or something missing? |
| 05:13.05 | Jaami | hmm, |
| 05:13.35 | Jaami | what apt-get i should type in terminal |
| 05:14.07 | linevty015 | Jaami: this might help > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11332817/failed-to-load-libgl-so-in-android |
| 05:14.15 | Jaami | oh ok |
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| 05:25.38 | Jaami | linevty015: thanks that link helped |
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| 05:26.02 | linevty015 | Jaami: no problem. came in here didn't think i'd be of any help, so at least i could do something :D |
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| 05:29.28 | Jaami | linevty015: that is good point. thanks again |
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| 05:32.54 | evilll | i made my own live usb by remastersys + unetbootin. what can i do to make my live usb remember |
| 05:33.11 | evilll | "remember" new installations and so on |
| 05:33.13 | evilll | ? |
| 05:33.20 | evilll | Hi all |
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| 05:33.45 | calculus_stuff | you mean, to have a complete system that remembers your settings and configuration after a reboot? |
| 05:33.59 | Jaami | evilll: i found dd more relyable than unetbootin |
| 05:34.19 | evilll | i don't know what is dd. i am newbie |
| 05:34.45 | calculus_stuff | evilll: look up "usb persistence" |
| 05:34.54 | evilll | thanks |
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| 05:35.07 | Iskander | dd stands for "disk destroyer" (?) |
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| 05:35.44 | Jaami | hmm let me find link for you |
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| 05:36.10 | Jaami | btw use /msg dpkg dd |
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| 05:39.27 | \shawn | i am doing a minimal install from command line with openbox only, what do i need to install xorg and openbox? |
| 05:40.18 | calculus_stuff | \shawn: "sudo apt-get install xorg openbox" |
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| 05:40.29 | \shawn | calculus_stuff: thanks! |
| 05:40.39 | centrx | I would do xserver-xorg-core |
| 05:40.41 | centrx | That is minimal |
| 05:41.17 | centrx | or more minimal at least |
| 05:41.21 | centrx | \shawn, |
| 05:41.26 | \shawn | lol i just did xinit and it launched a xterm |
| 05:41.53 | \shawn | startx openbox heh |
| 05:42.11 | \shawn | its bootyful |
| 05:42.36 | calculus_stuff | \shawn: you have to edit "xinitrc" to autostart openbox with "startx" |
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| 05:42.53 | \shawn | i am going to try to setup slim i think |
| 05:43.18 | \shawn | calculus_stuff: it already autostarts openbox without touching it |
| 05:43.35 | calculus_stuff | \shawn: I'm risking something here: ever heard of Crunchbang Linux? |
| 05:43.47 | calculus_stuff | \shawn: perfect then! |
| 05:43.48 | \shawn | yeah i have used it before |
| 05:43.58 | calculus_stuff | \shawn: not minimal enough? |
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| 05:44.18 | \shawn | well they told me if i wasnt using debian they wouldnt help me |
| 05:44.31 | \shawn | so i am reproducing cruchbang from scratch |
| 05:44.34 | \shawn | :P |
| 05:45.02 | calculus_stuff | right. you could also "/join #crunchbang" on freenode |
| 05:45.53 | \shawn | heres the problem i faced with crunchbang, i needed to run jessie because a few packages i needed couldnt be back ported very easily |
| 05:45.59 | Jaami | evilll: this might help you to find example of dd -->> http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#live-cd |
| 05:46.16 | \shawn | and crunchbang self destructs if you try to put jessie sources in there |
| 05:46.38 | \shawn | unless you have very very clever apt-pinning |
| 05:47.16 | \shawn | and i wanted to learn more about openbox |
| 05:47.37 | \shawn | #! is already mostly configured so i wouldnt get the chance to write my own pipemenus, etc |
| 05:47.48 | \shawn | thats all the fun of openbox |
| 05:47.57 | calculus_stuff | \shawn: hehe, agreed :) |
| 05:48.21 | \shawn | openbox is amazing once you see its potential |
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| 05:48.54 | \shawn | to anyone who hasnt i suggest they test semplice, #!, manjarobox, etc to see what can be done |
| 05:49.05 | calculus_stuff | go on? |
| 05:49.11 | \shawn | its not for everyone but i think my work flow is way faster on it |
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| 05:49.37 | \shawn | because the system menu is at the tip of your finger |
| 05:49.56 | \shawn | without having to sweep the mouse to one corner or side of the screen and then back again |
| 05:50.09 | calculus_stuff | I ditched obmenu and went dmenu all the way |
| 05:50.10 | \shawn | and so is multi-tasking, middle click menu |
| 05:50.26 | calculus_stuff | alt-tab :P |
| 05:50.33 | calculus_stuff | i simply do not use a mouse |
| 05:50.39 | fulano_345345 | does linuxmint lmde 2013 mate-amd-64 have native kernel support for CF cards in 3.11-2-amd64 ??? |
| 05:50.44 | calculus_stuff | everything is a few keystrokes away |
| 05:50.48 | \shawn | dmenu is that the one they use in i3wm? |
| 05:51.04 | fulano_345345 | im not getting anything for a CF card in blkid nor cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 05:51.18 | fulano_345345 | *but* my usb/card reader is in lsusb |
| 05:51.21 | \shawn | calculus_stuff: yes i use that on openbox too |
| 05:51.26 | calculus_stuff | \shawn: exactly! |
| 05:51.47 | \shawn | calculus_stuff: yes agreed dmenu is tight |
| 05:51.51 | fulano_345345 | im using the standard debian testing channel |
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| 05:53.58 | \shawn | dmenu, compton, tint2, conky, |
| 05:54.00 | \shawn | what else |
| 05:54.12 | calculus_stuff | tmux |
| 05:54.19 | calculus_stuff | always tmux |
| 05:54.20 | \shawn | got that, and weechat |
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| 05:54.28 | calculus_stuff | irssi! hehe |
| 05:54.55 | calculus_stuff | thunar? ranger? |
| 05:55.16 | calculus_stuff | mocp? mpd? cmus? ncmpcmpmccpmcp? :P |
| 05:55.42 | calculus_stuff | geany? libreoffice? |
| 05:55.44 | \shawn | lol |
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| 05:56.10 | calculus_stuff | feh to set a bg |
| 05:56.19 | \shawn | ncmpcppdppqs |
| 05:56.52 | calculus_stuff | i never remember the correct name |
| 05:57.54 | \shawn | i still like foobar2000 |
| 05:57.59 | \shawn | :( |
| 05:59.00 | calculus_stuff | does that exist on Linux? |
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| 05:59.05 | \shawn | no |
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| 05:59.23 | \shawn | i dont think theres anything that comes close either |
| 05:59.37 | \shawn | mplayer maybe |
| 05:59.43 | \shawn | but not really the same |
| 05:59.48 | calculus_stuff | not at all! |
| 06:00.02 | calculus_stuff | foobar2000... nostalgia kicks in |
| 06:01.27 | \shawn | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1913889 |
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| 06:01.37 | \shawn | this rant is pretty similar to how i feel |
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| 06:05.02 | boratynskikamil | Any suggestion, where should I look for bug, why I cannot connect to SIP server? http://wklej.org/id/1274142/ |
| 06:05.31 | calculus_stuff | \shawn: i use mocp. does the job i want it to do. |
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| 06:06.43 | \shawn | is it rediculously hard to configure like mpd? |
| 06:07.34 | boratynskikamil | \shawn: mocp? Nope. |
| 06:07.50 | boratynskikamil | It is difficult to configure MPD; so... :-) |
| 06:08.00 | \shawn | it IS |
| 06:08.15 | \shawn | in have a life |
| 06:08.16 | boratynskikamil | \shawn: What's your mother language? |
| 06:08.17 | calculus_stuff | \shawn: mocp's a breeze to configure. one single config file |
| 06:08.28 | \shawn | my mothers language? |
| 06:08.40 | \shawn | english |
| 06:08.47 | \shawn | :P |
| 06:08.52 | calculus_stuff | \shawn: what do you speak at home or with your family? :P |
| 06:08.59 | boratynskikamil | lol |
| 06:09.04 | \shawn | english |
| 06:09.24 | calculus_stuff | ah, there :) |
| 06:09.55 | evilll | me again. i am googling now about Full Install USB. but i still didn't find info how to make it for Debian. only found http://sparkylinux.org/sparkylinux-full-usb-stick-installation/ |
| 06:10.14 | boratynskikamil | \shawn: https://www.google.pl/?gws_rd=cr&ei=_lUAU-bXJ8LnywOHiYKoBg#q=Music+on+console+configuration |
| 06:10.28 | boratynskikamil | evilll: Use unetbootin on dd. |
| 06:10.30 | boratynskikamil | or* |
| 06:10.34 | evilll | is it similar to install Debian on USB to install Debian on HDD? |
| 06:10.52 | boratynskikamil | Ach; you want to install Debian ON USB not FROM. |
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| 06:11.04 | evilll | yes |
| 06:11.08 | boratynskikamil | Yes, it is actually the same. :-) |
| 06:11.55 | evilll | hmmm, do you know difference between persistent live usb and full install usb? |
| 06:12.06 | evilll | http://www.maketecheasier.com/persistent-live-usb-vs-full-install-usb/ |
| 06:12.17 | evilll | i need Full Install Usb |
| 06:12.37 | \shawn | evilll: try knoppix |
| 06:13.28 | \shawn | debian's live cd isnt the best for live cd use. its just for testing to see if you want the software, or for recovery |
| 06:13.28 | boratynskikamil | evilll: What's the problem? Just install Debian on USB like on HDD? |
| 06:13.42 | \shawn | knoppix is a debian based system which was meant to be used like that |
| 06:13.44 | evilll | hmmm, i will try. thanks |
| 06:14.04 | evilll | shawn, thanks but i need exactly debian |
| 06:14.05 | boratynskikamil | evilll: Then install GRUB on it. |
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| 06:14.10 | themill | knoppix looks a lot like abandon-ware these days |
| 06:14.22 | \shawn | all i am saying is use the right tool for the job. you can hit a nail with a rock, or you can hit it with a hammer |
| 06:14.23 | boratynskikamil | And choose booting device on start... |
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| 06:15.00 | evilll | i thought debian insttalaltion will install grub on usb |
| 06:15.20 | \shawn | themill: its still up to date |
| 06:15.23 | boratynskikamil | evilll: It will. |
| 06:15.33 | boratynskikamil | If you choose right device. (: |
| 06:15.55 | evilll | you mean usb not hdd? |
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| 06:16.30 | boratynskikamil | evilll: Yep. |
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| 06:17.18 | \shawn | evilll: youll need two usbs to do this tho, or a usb and a dvd |
| 06:18.37 | evilll | boratynskikamil: of course i will |
| 06:18.50 | evilll | \shawn: i have DVD |
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| 06:50.37 | ghking | hello everyone! my debian is wheezy, the newest libc6 is 2,13. but when i install a program, it need libc6(2.17). so i download libc6(2.17) form debian.org and install it use dpkg. |
| 06:50.46 | centrx | uh oh |
| 06:51.01 | ghking | now, i can't enter the system |
| 06:51.26 | nikb | I have a somewhat silly question - libboost-all-dev doesn't seem to install the -mt versions of boost libs, and no package seems to offer those. Is there another package that I want, or do I have to build boost myself? |
| 06:52.20 | centrx | ghking, First lesson is stick with the Debian package repository and the packages for your installed version |
| 06:52.50 | centrx | nikb, What are the -mt versions? |
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| 06:53.42 | nikb | centrx: it's a build configuration that generates 'multi-thread' versions of certain boost libraries. It's a problem, because certain projects explicitly try to link with, for example, -lboost_date_time-mt |
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| 06:54.57 | ghking | centrx, yes, i have got libc(2.13) form debain.org. what should i do next |
| 06:55.56 | centrx | nikb, Does this mean anything to you: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libboost-thread-dev |
| 06:56.09 | centrx | ghking, You can try to get into single-user mode and downgrade libc6 |
| 06:56.56 | ghking | let me try |
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| 06:59.41 | nikb | centrx: that is one of the boost libraries, but it doesn't include the "-mt" versions of the .so's. Thank you for trying though. |
| 07:01.34 | themill | nikb: the boost packages seem to contain both from what I can see |
| 07:02.00 | nikb | themill: where do you see any .so packages with -mt? |
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| 07:02.26 | themill | in every boost package I have looked -- which one specifically can you not find in which version of boost? |
| 07:02.45 | nikb | For example, https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libboost-chrono1.55-dev |
| 07:03.06 | nikb | there's /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_chrono.a (and .so) |
| 07:03.15 | nikb | but not libboost_chrono-mt.a |
| 07:03.36 | nikb | and I'm not just being pedantic. There is an actual difference. |
| 07:03.48 | themill | older versions are shipping a separate -mt .so |
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| 07:04.14 | nikb | Yeah, 1.49 did. |
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| 07:05.40 | ghking | centrx : i can't enter single mode too. I have try to boot from livecd, then, enter rescue mode. but after i chroot to debian's root filesystem, nothing can be done, even "ls" cann' t be used. it always note can find some lib file |
| 07:05.49 | nikb | I'll just try buiding from source - thank you all for your helpo. |
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| 07:05.51 | nikb | -o |
| 07:05.58 | themill | nikb: the -mt files in the package were only symlinks anyway |
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| 07:06.25 | nikb | Hmm.... I guess I could try to create the symlinks before I go heating up my CPU. |
| 07:06.35 | nikb | I'll have to verify the boost build, but that's OK. |
| 07:06.43 | nikb | Good point themill, thank you. |
| 07:07.27 | themill | nikb: I've not looked at boost in detail for years but the changelog seems to imply that the -mt versions aren't needed any more; is this done at the symbol level rather than the soname level now? |
| 07:07.40 | centrx | ghking, There must be a way to use the dpkg from your Live CD, specifying that it should install into your dormant hard drive |
| 07:08.06 | nikb | I think that what happens is that *every* build is a multi-thread build. |
| 07:08.35 | nikb | So the -mt is obsolete by virtue of that. |
| 07:08.37 | centrx | ghking, such as the --root= option in dpkg |
| 07:09.02 | themill | nikb: that would make sense too. There's not much point in writing non-thread-safe code these days |
| 07:09.22 | centrx | Setting --root to be your mounted hard drive |
| 07:09.27 | ghking | centrx: let ne try |
| 07:09.49 | shingouz | ghking: lesson learned: do not install stuff off some random website. always use the debian repositories with the debian tools |
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| 07:11.30 | bukkzz | When i'm wacthing movies with vlc my cpu always works on 90-100% thats normal ? |
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| 07:30.10 | AlecTaylor | hi |
| 07:30.29 | AlecTaylor | What is the standard way of interfacing apt with private sources? - Editing the source.list? |
| 07:30.45 | boratynskikamil | AlecTaylor: Yep. |
| 07:30.59 | AlecTaylor | So there's no PPA type system like with Ubuntu? |
| 07:31.25 | boratynskikamil | AlecTaylor: Yes, it is. |
| 07:31.38 | boratynskikamil | It depends on, what do you mean :private sources:. |
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| 07:36.26 | AlecTaylor | boratynskikamil: I have some commercial applications that I want to distribute on my internal apt based servers; as well as some open-source applications that I'm happy to share .debs' of to the world |
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| 07:39.37 | boratynskikamil | AlecTaylor: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
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| 07:46.25 | ghking | centrx: i'm back! dpkg -i --root doesn't work too |
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| 07:47.06 | ghking | centrx: the messge is: dpkg: error while loading shared libraries: libselinux.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:47.48 | boratynskikamil | ghking: selinux? Did you try to install SELinux on Debian? |
| 07:47.53 | ghking | centrx: the same as chroot to debian in livecd |
| 07:48.20 | shingouz | ghking: i am guessing you chrooted into the nuked install before you tried to do the dpkg. do it straight from the livecd |
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| 07:50.10 | ghking | yes, straight from livecd. because i cann't chroot to debian |
| 07:50.19 | ghking | root@kali:~# chroot /mnt /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libtinfo.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 07:51.04 | shingouz | ghking: i begin to get the feeling you have a nice reinstall waiting for you |
| 07:51.57 | AlecTaylor | boratynskikamil: That's a large list |
| 07:52.01 | AlecTaylor | What would you recommend? |
| 07:52.21 | ghking | shingouz: me too!!! but i really don't want. i have use it so much long time |
| 07:54.32 | ghking | boratynskikamil: no the lib file in the note is always different according to the command |
| 07:55.13 | shingouz | ghking: because you still have access to the filesystem via the livecd, backup /home and maybe /etc. plus other things you have some importanbt stuff on. you *could* conceivably extract and install all the contents of the libc6 package (but that is likely to bork the system even worse) |
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| 08:01.57 | ghking | shingouz: i have done it. extract libc6.deb, ta=han put all file in the related directory. but it doesn't work too |
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| 08:03.33 | shingouz | ghking: well... i guess you know what you must do now... next time, do not install things from outside debian repositories (and try not to mix releases off the debian repos) |
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| 08:05.14 | ghking | shingouz: yes, but i think i need try some other ways. thank you |
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| 08:06.38 | shingouz | ghking: libc6 installs packages all over the system according to dpkg -L libc6 |
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| 08:09.59 | changeguy | is there a way I can see what version is avaible in a backport resopirty? |
| 08:10.05 | changeguy | of a package |
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| 08:14.39 | ghking | exit |
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| 08:40.25 | Jaami | is it easy to setup virtualbox to share folder between host and guest |
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| 08:53.34 | meshuggah | wingman2, greetings is off-topic in #debian |
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| 09:39.37 | Jaami | meshuggah: may i ask what is that easy way? the guest is windows on debian vbox |
| 09:40.19 | Jaami | i did try but look like it will be a hard nut to crack |
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| 09:41.51 | Jaami | i need to access internet on guest and also want to share folder btween both host and guest |
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| 09:43.10 | Jaami | can anyone help me to setup network btween host and guest , i am using virtualbox |
| 09:44.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | all of that pretty much "just worked" for me. can't remember doing anything rememberable for it |
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| 09:45.08 | Jaami | for what? vbox? |
| 09:45.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | virtualbox |
| 09:45.40 | Jaami | hmm, i was expecting the same also installed guest tools |
| 09:45.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | the shared folder is outside the vm, though... and I do remember making two shares for it, because at some point it seemed like processes with adminstrative access had problems acessing the share made from the user without the administrative privilige |
| 09:46.23 | Jaami | but still dont have internet access on guest and shared folder ask me password and does not accept when i type pass |
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| 09:47.01 | Jaami | yes, shared folder is outside vm |
| 09:48.00 | Jaami | seems not easy thing to do |
| 09:48.36 | Jaami | i was hoping for help to get out of this long going problem |
| 09:49.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | it seemed quite easy when I did it... |
| 09:49.22 | Jaami | vmware on the other hand needed no settings, just one click to connect makes it ready |
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| 09:50.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I took the hostInterfaceNetworking (so I find it in the xml, I'm not on that machine)... that means that machines from outside cannot see the windows... which is fine by me |
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| 09:50.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, time for making breakfast |
| 09:51.04 | Jaami | ok, thanks |
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| 09:57.37 | meshuggah | Jaami, make a folder in debian and link it in vbox at the appropriate place |
| 09:57.59 | Jaami | link? please tell me how to link |
| 09:58.05 | meshuggah | Jaami, cant be more precise for now, i am on windows 7 right now, no vbox installed and it is 5am |
| 09:58.13 | meshuggah | ok ok wait |
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| 09:58.57 | meshuggah | Jaami, https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=15868 |
| 09:59.00 | meshuggah | does that help you |
| 09:59.14 | Jaami | just a second |
| 09:59.35 | meshuggah | but that is not the way i was doing it |
| 09:59.52 | meshuggah | but i was on windows host linux guest |
| 09:59.57 | meshuggah | opposite |
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| 10:00.20 | meshuggah | as i have triple boot, it solve the problem about getting a windows guest |
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| 10:01.19 | Jaami | im on linux host and want to use net on win7 guest |
| 10:01.57 | meshuggah | you said shared folder |
| 10:02.00 | meshuggah | not internet usage |
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| 10:02.41 | Jaami | i mean i need both but that will be fine if i can share folder at this time |
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| 10:04.13 | meshuggah | https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=57198 |
| 10:04.16 | meshuggah | maybe that would help |
| 10:04.19 | meshuggah | i have no idea |
| 10:04.26 | meshuggah | i just google for you |
| 10:04.43 | meshuggah | 5h01am |
| 10:04.49 | meshuggah | still did not slept |
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| 10:06.08 | Jaami | :) i am tying to fix it through the link you gave and hope it will work for me. it is really very nice of you that you spared some time to help me |
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| 10:07.17 | meshuggah | it is ok, only needed a few minutes |
| 10:07.46 | meshuggah | Jaami, you could try asking in #virtualbox too, there is 250 people there, maybe there are more awake |
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| 10:08.02 | meshuggah | #vbox |
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| 10:09.23 | Jaami | meshuggah: yes, i did ask my question in #vbox there but havent got no response. |
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| 10:09.56 | meshuggah | jaami, i would try in #ubuntu too, but not saying them i am on debian, and lying about being in ubuntu |
| 10:10.20 | Jaami | hmm, that is right, i should try that also |
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| 10:10.38 | Jaami | but i hope the link you gave will be enough to solve this issue. |
| 10:10.53 | meshuggah | at least you got a plan B |
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| 10:11.56 | meshuggah | i got 2 linux distros installed, but vbox in sabayon is bugging, and in antix it is not yet installed, so i canot right now help you more than this |
| 10:12.09 | meshuggah | (yea i am here and i am not using debian( |
| 10:12.45 | Jaami | :) that is good you are still helping me |
| 10:14.39 | ted20 | meshuggah: Hmm... Maybe check debian in vbox? |
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| 10:15.02 | meshuggah | ted20, the idea is having a linux host and windows guest |
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| 10:15.53 | ted20 | meshuggah: What do you mean? |
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| 10:16.48 | meshuggah | ted20, install debian in a vbox in windows, is the opposite |
| 10:18.53 | ted20 | meshuggah: yes, but it works. But what do you want to do? |
| 10:19.24 | meshuggah | ted20, helping ========> Jaami <========= |
| 10:19.29 | meshuggah | i dont need help |
| 10:19.34 | ted20 | Ok, no problem |
| 10:19.37 | meshuggah | except to sleep, cause it is 5am and i did not slept yet |
| 10:19.42 | babilen | Jaami: fwiw, virtualbox is considerably slower than, say, KVM (with, virt-manager/libvirt/virsh) or Xen |
| 10:19.49 | meshuggah | i would take a beer |
| 10:19.51 | meshuggah | well maybe 132 |
| 10:19.52 | meshuggah | 132 |
| 10:19.54 | meshuggah | 12 |
| 10:19.55 | meshuggah | damn |
| 10:19.56 | meshuggah | sorry |
| 10:20.36 | Jaami | babilen: what i should do now |
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| 10:20.56 | que1 | what timezone does snapshot.debian.org consider in their snapshot names? I just want to know exactly at what time the snapshot was taken |
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| 10:21.02 | Jaami | i have virtualbox installed and ready just need to share folder |
| 10:21.52 | Jaami | root@abator:/home/jaami/shared# mount -t vboxsf share /home/jaami/shared/ this command says -->> mount: unknown filesystem type 'vboxsf' |
| 10:22.16 | boratynskikamil | vboxfs? |
| 10:22.34 | Jaami | yes |
| 10:22.39 | boratynskikamil | Repair. |
| 10:22.41 | boratynskikamil | Command. |
| 10:22.49 | \shawn | hi |
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| 10:22.57 | Jaami | please type the command |
| 10:23.18 | \shawn | vbox san fran |
| 10:24.47 | meshuggah | u typed vboxsf |
| 10:24.47 | Jaami | no such command |
| 10:24.49 | meshuggah | not vboxfs |
| 10:24.57 | meshuggah | meh |
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| 10:25.11 | boratynskikamil | meshuggah: :-) |
| 10:25.13 | Jaami | oh ok |
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| 10:25.52 | Jaami | the link you gave has the same thing :) |
| 10:25.56 | Jaami | https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=15868 |
| 10:26.31 | Jaami | mount: unknown filesystem type 'vboxfs' |
| 10:26.33 | Jaami | lol |
| 10:26.49 | boratynskikamil | Jaami: Still not working? |
| 10:26.56 | Jaami | i see why i lost job |
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| 10:27.07 | Jaami | not working |
| 10:27.18 | babilen | Jaami: I take it that you've read https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#sharedfolders already, haven't you? |
| 10:27.40 | Jaami | yes, i should follow babilen |
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| 10:28.01 | meshuggah | nah it is vboxsf |
| 10:28.03 | Jaami | he helped me to fix the 32bit support on debian |
| 10:28.24 | Jaami | hmm, both i tried and that is not working |
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| 10:29.00 | babilen | Jaami: So, you haven't read that documentation? |
| 10:29.02 | meshuggah | you tried installing the guest addition? not sure about it |
| 10:29.07 | boratynskikamil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.18 | Jaami | im reading it babilen |
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| 10:29.36 | Jaami | meshuggah: i have already installed the additions |
| 10:29.49 | Kamilion | Just curious, is there a newer version of systemd other than 44 operable as pid1? |
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| 10:30.12 | babilen | Jaami: And, fwiw, this is really more a problem for #vbox than #debian and we could, if nobody minds, take it there. And yes, you might have to install the guest additions |
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| 10:31.14 | meshuggah | babilen, but nobody talking anyway |
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| 10:31.44 | babilen | meshuggah: *we* could talk there ;) |
| 10:31.48 | Kamilion | I'm an embedded guy, we're using an ubuntu buildroot right now; I'd like to go over to debian+systemd; but it's been at least ten years since I last used debian itself. |
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| 10:32.35 | Kamilion | i was hoping with all the stuff on lwn about systemd and debian that there'd be something nearer towards version 200 |
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| 10:35.18 | Kamilion | oh, cool, I think I found it. How do I use 'jesse'? I don't see an iso |
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| 10:37.02 | babilen | Kamilion: You install wheezy and upgrade from there. Please be advises that jessie is a development release and not necessarily meant for daily usage. It is strongly recommended to also allow yourself to pull packages from sid as the need arises (package removals, bugs, security problems, ..) as jessie doesn't get proper security support. Please also read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable and heed the advice given in there. |
| 10:37.02 | Kamilion | n/m found them |
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| 10:37.09 | Kamilion | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 10:37.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kamilion -about testing installer |
| 10:37.38 | babilen | Kamilion: Yes, don't use them. Or try them, check if they work and then proceed accordingly. |
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| 10:37.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kamilion -about wheezy->jessie |
| 10:37.55 | Kamilion | No worries, I'm doing buildroot ISOs for appliances. |
| 10:37.59 | babilen | Kamilion: Also ask the bot about <tum> |
| 10:38.16 | \shawn | Kamilion you wont get systemd that way |
| 10:38.26 | \shawn | youd have to manually install it |
| 10:38.39 | Kamilion | Buildroot installs whatever I ask it to |
| 10:39.00 | Kamilion | as long as it's a deb, buildroot will happily do whatever I tell it. |
| 10:39.01 | Mongo44 | I ran upgrade and it said I have missing firmware: http://paste.debian.net/82343/ |
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| 10:39.27 | \shawn | oh as long as you know what youre doing :) |
| 10:39.30 | FilipeMaia | How can I find the IP related to a mac address on my network? |
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| 10:39.50 | Kamilion | \shawn: 99.8% of our stuff is python in venv |
| 10:40.07 | babilen | Mongo44: So install firmware-realtek if you need/want it. |
| 10:40.11 | Kamilion | exception is some stupid upstart snips I'm itching to kill with fire |
| 10:40.29 | Mongo44 | babilen, what's it for? |
| 10:40.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell Mongo44 about firmware-realtek |
| 10:40.50 | Kamilion | so as long as you didn't break build-essential, I'm probably fine :) |
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| 10:41.06 | Kamilion | pip'll do the rest. |
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| 10:41.32 | \shawn | mongo44 i got the same error, i just reinstalled the package they came from |
| 10:41.49 | babilen | Mongo44: A bunch of hardware requires <firwmare> to function properly or to enable all features. In this particular case I think that *some* of the NICs that use r8169 require firmware to enable certain features, but it is not necessarily the case that your particular NIC needs it. |
| 10:41.54 | testme | FilipeMaia_: Have you tried "arp -na" ? |
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| 10:42.53 | FilipeMaia_ | testme: it only seems to show the address of my device that communicates with each of the IP addresses |
| 10:42.54 | babilen | Okay .. and now everybody install intel-microcode or amd64-microcode if you have an Intel or AMD processor respectively. This allows your CPU to work without bugs which is, generally speaking, a good idea. See "/msg dpkg microcode" for some additional information. |
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| 10:43.50 | oskie | hello, I'm running Debian jessie amd64, and I need a 32bit version of libpng12-0. Is that possible to install without manual compilation? |
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| 10:44.22 | \shawn | mongo44 check out "apt-file" its a command that allows you to find out which package contains a file even if the package is uninstalled |
| 10:44.39 | babilen | oskie: Ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) please -- See /topic and please provide additional information about your problem (actual output + apt-cache policy for packages in question, ...) |
| 10:44.55 | Kamilion | thanks babilen and \shawn; 'testing' should work just fine and seems to have everything I need. |
| 10:45.05 | oskie | babilen: ok, I will, but I assume this question can apply to wheezy as well |
| 10:45.42 | FilipeMaia_ | testme: my mistake i got it now |
| 10:45.43 | babilen | oskie: But, yes, libpng12-0 is in both amd64 and i386, no idea if they are co-installable though with multiarch. |
| 10:46.04 | oskie | babilen: I'll read up on multiarch :) |
| 10:46.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell oskie -about multiarch |
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| 10:46.48 | babilen | oskie: And please take questions to #debian-next first if it is likely to be an issue related to jessie/sid (e.g. involving packages from those releases) |
| 10:46.55 | babilen | merci :D |
| 10:47.00 | Kamilion | joins there too |
| 10:47.15 | Kamilion | er, it seems to be invite only |
| 10:47.30 | babilen | Kamilion: It is, as noted earlier, on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) with the rest of the official channel;s |
| 10:47.40 | Kamilion | Oh. |
| 10:47.41 | testme | FilipeMaia_: According to the (Amazon EC2) man page for arp, the arp command is obsolete and "ip neighbor" should be used instead. That's new to me :-) |
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| 10:48.00 | Kamilion | done. |
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| 10:49.33 | Kamilion | babilen: oh, wow, I didn't even realize this wasn't the official... S'funny there's 1433 people in here and only 642 in there |
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| 10:51.33 | babilen | Kamilion: This is an official channel and Debian used to use Freenode, but moved to OFTC some time ago. See "/msg dpkg oftc move" for some background to this. It's just that the entire #debian-* channel ecosystem is on irc.oftc.net/irc.debian.org -- this channel is, as you rightly noted, too large and active to attempt to move them in earnest and most regulars are in both channels anyway (#d on freenode and oftc) |
| 10:52.03 | Kamilion | Ah. Makes sense. Thanks! |
| 10:52.14 | babilen | You are welcome |
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| 10:53.26 | Kamilion | was on OFTC anyway for #linode |
| 10:54.01 | Mongo44 | dpkg didn't know anything about firmware-realtek. |
| 10:54.01 | dpkg | wish i knew, Mongo44 |
| 10:54.25 | Kamilion | now to lurk for a couple months and let znc get me a nice set of logs to grep through |
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| 10:55.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell Mongo44 -about realtek firmware |
| 10:55.54 | babilen | Mongo44: Sorry, should have checked the name of the factoid first. |
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| 10:56.43 | foobar_ | Hello, I have an old mac book pro (2008) with a 64 bit architecture. should I install debian amd64 or multiarch? |
| 10:56.49 | testme | (Lamer question...) Are #debian on irc.freenode.net, and #debian on irc.debian.org completely separate channels, or do messages posted on one appear on the other? I just want to clarify whether the servers are connected. |
| 10:57.23 | Kamilion | testme: no |
| 10:57.31 | Kamilion | I'm on both right now and I see no partyline |
| 10:58.08 | testme | You mean that a post here (irc.freenode.net) will not appear on irc.debian.org ? |
| 10:58.31 | Kamilion | that is correct |
| 10:58.36 | babilen | foobar_: Multiarch is a feature that allows you to install packages from a different architecture and is not an architecture in itself. If you refer to the unfortunately named "multi-arch" images they simply allow you to install amd64 *or* i386 and just contain both sets of packages (and are therefore twice the size) |
| 10:59.08 | Kamilion | oftc and freenode are different networks; and I'm not seeing any traffic here relayed over there by means of a channel bot; you'd definitely notice if that were the case. |
| 10:59.56 | testme | Kamilion: Thanks. |
| 11:00.03 | babilen | testme: iproute2 generally obsoleted a bunch of commands (route, arp, ifconfig, ...) |
| 11:00.07 | Kamilion | Sure. IRC's one thing I know about well. :) |
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| 11:00.33 | Kamilion | I better, after using it for 19 years and being an ircop on other networks, lol |
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| 11:01.35 | foobar_ | babilen: Ah thanks. So, I will download amd64 because the package is smaller and I have no disadvantages |
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| 11:02.23 | babilen | foobar_: If you want to install amd64 then, yes, that is the right choice. Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? Do you know if you want to install a desktop environment and if so which? |
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| 11:03.12 | xgl | Hello |
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| 11:03.15 | Kamilion | anything similar to lubuntu's relatively nice lxde config? |
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| 11:03.56 | babilen | Kamilion: lxde is in Debian and you can configure it whichever way you want |
| 11:04.11 | foobar_ | I have a internet connection. I will select netinstall with firmware :D |
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| 11:04.27 | Kamilion | ... Uggh. I'm assuming that means the same as installing lxde-core on ubuntu... |
| 11:04.33 | Kamilion | vs lubuntu-core |
| 11:04.38 | babilen | *shrug* |
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| 11:04.57 | Kamilion | I'm betting lxde-core's the debian package ;) |
| 11:05.09 | sharefree | The best way to back up debian is |
| 11:05.19 | Kamilion | it's kind of... Uh... 80s X-ish, if you know what I mean |
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| 11:05.58 | babilen | Kamilion: The whole concept of Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Gubuntu, Kubuntu, Mubuntu, Matebuntu, Awesome-o-buntu, Openboxuntu, ... is incredibly idiotic anyway .. but discussing that in here is not something I'd like to pursue. |
| 11:06.33 | babilen | foobar_: Yeah, that is one reason why I asked. I would have recommended that image too .. enjoy the install! |
| 11:06.49 | foobar_ | babilen: thanks! |
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| 11:07.54 | Kamilion | O_o |
| 11:08.14 | Kamilion | uh, I think only two of those were official |
| 11:08.18 | Kamilion | but sure, okay |
| 11:08.22 | Kamilion | goes away |
| 11:08.44 | babilen | yes, I tried to ridicule the idea by exaggeration |
| 11:08.46 | foobar_ | babilen: Do you know where I can find debian testing netinstall with firmware support (nonfree)? |
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| 11:08.56 | foobar_ | I can only find stable |
| 11:09.02 | Kamilion | debian doesn't have metapackages like that? |
| 11:09.08 | \shawn | awsomuntu |
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| 11:09.19 | babilen | foobar_: There is none and we don't really recommend using the tesitng *installer* at this point in the release cycle anyway (as nobody really cares if it is working or not) |
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| 11:09.55 | foobar_ | Why not testing? |
| 11:10.03 | Kamilion | man, I guess I'll have to look in the wiki then to figure out how to install kde or gnome then... |
| 11:10.20 | babilen | Kamilion: Debian uses a lot of metapackages, but the whole concept of creating a new *distribution* for every single desktop environment or window manager is just, well, slightly misguided. |
| 11:10.36 | \shawn | foobar_ put wifi firmware on a thumb drive ahead of time if thats what your issue will be |
| 11:10.39 | Kamilion | they're just iso snapshots with different metapackages preinstalled... |
| 11:10.48 | babilen | Kamilion: You can ask the bot about <install kde> and <install gnome> -- /msg dpkg install kde |
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| 11:11.04 | Kamilion | i mean, it would make more sense if they actually had a dvd release that let you pick, but you can only fit so much in 700MB |
| 11:11.17 | nkuttler | they actually do |
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| 11:12.12 | foobar_ | Is the last linke http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-builds/multi-arch/iso-cd/ jessi? |
| 11:12.16 | babilen | Kamilion: Yes, I know what it is technically, but it still doesn't make sense to make it their own distribution with their own support channels and so on. It causes wonderful questions like "Do I have to reinstall if I want to use KDE? I am running Lubuntu right now." -- But, as mentioned earlier, lets pursue this in #debian-offtopic if you are interested in actually pursuing that discussion. |
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| 11:12.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell foobar_ about testing installer |
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| 11:13.06 | Kamilion | foobar_: apparently the installer is not the same as the channel of which you want to install? |
| 11:13.27 | Kamilion | IE, the testing installer doesn't install testing, it's a development version *of* the installer |
| 11:13.37 | babilen | foobar_: Yes they are. But it is *not* the jessie installer. It is the current development version of the debian-installer which hasn't been released or anything. It will *attempt* to install testing but might be buggy or whatnot. |
| 11:13.43 | foobar_ | Kamilion: Oh I see |
| 11:13.54 | Kamilion | Oh, I'm wrong. |
| 11:14.19 | Kamilion | znc detachs |
| 11:14.25 | foobar_ | Kamilion: It is jessi? Sorry, I am confused now |
| 11:14.35 | \shawn | foobar_ most people use the netinst. then during install it will ask you if you have the missing firmware (and you will). at the end of the installer where it asks for desktop enviroment and yada yada, thats the "tasksel" screen, dont select anything. first thing after install go into sources.list and change everything to jessie, save it, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && tasksel |
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| 11:15.09 | babilen | foobar_: It is "jessie" not "jessi" and I don't understand your question. The codename of the next release is "jessie" and that version is being worked on and therefore "testing". |
| 11:16.15 | \shawn | foobar_ sorry the second command should be "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 11:16.50 | \shawn | thats the way yo install jessie with nonfree networking firmware^ |
| 11:16.59 | \shawn | s/yo/to |
| 11:17.05 | babilen | foobar_: But again: The testing installer is meant for testing the installer not for installing testing (at this point in the release cycle). It might work, or it might not work at this particular point in time. The recommended (if that!) way of installing testing now is to install wheezy and upgrade that to testing. I'd *also* recommend to configure the system in such a way that you can pull packages from unstable as the need arises ... |
| 11:17.10 | babilen | ... (security updates, bug fixes, package removals, ..) as testing doesn't really get security support. |
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| 11:18.30 | babilen | foobar_: it also makes sense to not install any tasks when you install wheezy. I would furthermore recommend to read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable as a lot of the tips in there apply to testing too (e.g. apt-listbugs) |
| 11:18.45 | babilen | Well, the standard task would be fine, but you get the idea. |
| 11:19.36 | foobar_ | Okay thanks. I will leave to try :D see you |
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| 11:23.05 | triski_ | hi all |
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| 11:23.40 | triski_ | anyone knows for sure if the netinstall "mini.iso" has support to install via wifi (supports firmware, and wlan cards) ? |
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| 11:27.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, firmware images wheezy |
| 11:27.58 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 11:28.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | triski_, ^^^ |
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| 11:29.38 | anunezd | hi all! |
| 11:29.39 | \shawn | nice CutMeOwnThroat never knew of those |
| 11:30.00 | anunezd | could anyone please help me with xrandr and some horizontal correction aka keystone? |
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| 11:30.42 | anunezd | does anyone here master the xrandr --transform option? |
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| 11:31.43 | \shawn | CutMeOwnThroat are they "unofficial" with ephasis on the quotes or with no quotes? |
| 11:31.56 | \shawn | :) |
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| 11:32.46 | sharefree | _FBi, <-- Agent Cody ? |
| 11:33.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | \shawn, I don't understand that... |
| 11:33.24 | \shawn | i should have said air quotes or regular quotes |
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| 11:34.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | \shawn, but... the factoid doesn't use any quotes on ... that word |
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| 11:35.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | and they're sorted under "unofficial", because they contain non-free things (i.e. the firmware blobs) |
| 11:36.09 | triski_ | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 11:36.17 | \shawn | yes, i knew both of those things, but nevermind it wasnt that important |
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| 11:43.19 | questforquest | hello if i have intel core 2, is good choice to still use 32bit version of debian? i not know reason to use 64bit for me... thx |
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| 11:43.49 | \shawn | yeah that should be fine |
| 11:43.57 | \shawn | either way |
| 11:44.04 | \shawn | still fine |
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| 11:44.38 | questforquest | thank you |
| 11:44.45 | \shawn | i have a system with a core2 duo, maybe i have installed 64 on it more often |
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| 11:44.59 | \shawn | but no reason just becauss thats what was available |
| 11:45.15 | AimHere | Wouldn't one reason just be the ability to access memory above a certain point? |
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| 11:45.19 | anunezd | anyone have an idea of how to use the --transform of xrandr? |
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| 11:45.43 | \shawn | AimHere yeah but if the said system only has 4gb of ram? |
| 11:46.04 | AimHere | Well questforquest didn't specify how much RAM he had |
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| 11:46.56 | \shawn | also that system uses PAE to adress more than 3gb ram |
| 11:47.25 | \shawn | its a toss up i would decide based on software really |
| 11:47.32 | questforquest | oh yes, im sorry... have 4gb ram |
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| 11:48.15 | \shawn | questforquest figure put which system has the most packages (i am not sure if thats 64 or not) |
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| 11:48.40 | \shawn | and also the specific packages you need if you have any special requirements |
| 11:48.48 | abrotman | Which architecture? |
| 11:48.55 | \shawn | not having to use multi arch for wine is one reason |
| 11:49.07 | \shawn | x86 vs amd64 |
| 11:49.11 | abrotman | stop hitting enter |
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| 11:50.42 | \shawn | abrotman the last two times you hit enter you sent less characters than me? |
| 11:50.44 | abrotman | \shawn: https://buildd.debian.org/stats/graph-week.png |
| 11:51.00 | abrotman | \shawn: Those were complete thoughts, I'm not hitting enter halfway though a sentence. |
| 11:51.08 | questforquest | ok, thank you goodbye |
| 11:51.12 | abrotman | That's what I get for helping .. kids .. |
| 11:51.35 | anunezd | anyone there who masters the --transform option of xrandr? |
| 11:52.10 | themill | anunezd: assume yes and just ask your question (well the answer is probably "no" but you might still get an answer) |
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| 11:52.41 | \shawn | abrotman complete thoughts are not always complete sentences or even paragraphs. thanks for the link btw. |
| 11:53.20 | anunezd | i want to make some horizontal correction in my projector |
| 11:53.35 | anunezd | but I don't understand the maths |
| 11:53.43 | anunezd | of the --transform option |
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| 11:53.51 | abrotman | Correction of what sort? |
| 11:54.15 | themill | abrotman: keystone |
| 11:54.39 | abrotman | I figured as much, but don't most projectors make that pretty easy with a button on top? |
| 11:54.57 | themill | --transform accepts the elements of a matrix to do the affine transform for you |
| 11:54.58 | anunezd | exactly |
| 11:55.03 | anunezd | yup |
| 11:55.11 | anunezd | i guess it is only 2D |
| 11:55.23 | anunezd | since I tried a rotation against the axis Z |
| 11:55.25 | OmegaPhil | Has anyone noticed vm.swappiness getting reset recently? Somethings overwriting my 0 setting defined in /etc/sysctl.conf, it doesnt appear to be from systemd's /usr/lib/sysctl.d/50-default.conf either |
| 11:55.26 | anunezd | and it worked |
| 11:55.43 | anunezd | but to achive an horizontal correction |
| 11:55.52 | anunezd | I have to make it rotate in the Y axis |
| 11:56.00 | anunezd | and it "crashes" |
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| 11:56.20 | anunezd | so the transformation matrix is different |
| 11:56.46 | anunezd | abrotman: yes mine does but only for vertical correction |
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| 12:07.31 | \shawn | rotationak y axis= b |
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| 12:08.10 | \shawn | rotational x =a |
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| 12:08.39 | anunezd | ok |
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| 12:10.36 | \shawn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.45 | anunezd | \shawn yup i know that |
| 12:10.46 | anunezd | but mm |
| 12:11.08 | anunezd | how do i make my screen become a trapezoid? |
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| 12:11.35 | anunezd | i mean with a wider left side and an smaller right side for example |
| 12:12.25 | \shawn | i know nothing |
| 12:12.34 | \shawn | or forgot |
| 12:12.56 | \shawn | i just know rotational axis |
| 12:13.00 | \shawn | :) |
| 12:13.08 | anunezd | thx anyway |
| 12:13.17 | anunezd | where could I go ask? |
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| 12:14.47 | themill | anunezd: You're going to need to do some maths here. You have 4 points (corners) which gives 8 equations as per the man page and the 9th eqn you need is that the matrix should be normalised. I predict some quality time with octave in your future |
| 12:14.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell \shawn about enter |
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| 12:17.04 | themill | suspects this would make a great question for an introductory linear algebra class |
| 12:17.43 | themill | (you also need to know that the coordinate system has (0,0) at the top left not the bottom left as you might expect) |
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| 12:18.12 | anunezd | i've found some code |
| 12:18.14 | anunezd | to solve taht |
| 12:18.20 | anunezd | http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=453241 |
| 12:18.40 | anunezd | i'm not french but google chrome seems to speak it fluently xD |
| 12:18.51 | anunezd | so i guess i have the code |
| 12:18.56 | anunezd | what I dont understand |
| 12:19.01 | anunezd | is how this works |
| 12:19.10 | anunezd | I mean |
| 12:19.29 | anunezd | let's think i want to "lose" 200px in my top right corner |
| 12:19.44 | anunezd | so the new top right cornet is 200px down |
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| 12:20.05 | anunezd | and the bottom right corner |
| 12:20.09 | anunezd | 200px up |
| 12:20.20 | abrotman | anunezd: Do you need to tell us every step? |
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| 12:20.32 | anunezd | abrotman: totally |
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| 12:21.00 | abrotman | anunezd: If you feel the need, I'll kindly ask that you stop using your enter key in the place of your . and , .. Thank you. |
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| 12:21.30 | anunezd | ok |
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| 12:24.46 | themill | anunezd: the utility xkeystone does this all for you, I think. It's documentation is umm... |
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| 12:25.53 | anunezd | it doesn't even work in my comp... /usr/bin/env: nickle: No such file or directory |
| 12:26.26 | themill | yeah |
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| 12:27.09 | anunezd | it is different after installing it, thx! i'll take a look on it |
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| 13:40.04 | kale | hi, i have been installing debian on a raid10, with luks and lvm. during the installation i got no errors from the hardware, the raid finished syncing. after the installation grub tries to boot, but i get "DRDY" errors from the ATA controller. |
| 13:40.43 | kale | right now i have booted into ubuntu livecd and started "smartctl -t long /dev/sd[abcd]" to see if that detects any errors |
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| 13:40.51 | Kitt3n | . |
| 13:41.14 | kale | could this be a kernel issue with the kernel in the newly installed system ? |
| 13:42.05 | frostschutz | kale, exact messages you got? smartctl -a? |
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| 13:42.46 | kale | frostschutz: its not done with the test, just started it. i believe there will be no errors. test is complete in two hours |
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| 13:43.12 | kale | frostschutz: i could reboot the system and get you the messages from the kernel |
| 13:43.26 | frostschutz | kale, nah, let the tests finish. but the other values are all okay? |
| 13:43.45 | kale | frostschutz: i find nothing wrong with them |
| 13:44.08 | kale | also i can boot the debian installer, chroot and stuff just works |
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| 13:51.33 | enter_man | I just installed debian, connected my Logitech usb headset, sound settings lists it as Headset Analog Stereo, is this correct? isnt this supposed to be digital? |
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| 13:58.03 | thomax | hi |
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| 13:58.59 | thomax | it seems that the 3.12.9 kernel has some problems with cpufrequtils (can't change frequencies and such), is this a known problem? |
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| 13:59.22 | frostschutz | thomax, haswell? |
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| 14:00.08 | frostschutz | enter_man, digital is for optical outputs, hdmi and stuff. the moment it goes into a headset, it is analog |
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| 14:00.29 | thomax | yes, intel i3 |
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| 14:00.44 | thomax | frostschutz: yes, intel i3 |
| 14:01.18 | frostschutz | thomax, try 3.13.3 or newer :D |
| 14:01.58 | thomax | frostschutz: i tried 3.13.3 already |
| 14:02.19 | thomax | frostschutz: i know it's working with 3.10.x |
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| 14:05.13 | thomax | frostschutz: any other suggestion? |
| 14:05.30 | thomax | or anyone else? |
| 14:06.18 | thomax | i don't like to waste so much energy just because debian didn't get this things right :-((( |
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| 14:06.33 | frostschutz | thomax, my haswell i5 did not use turbo mode before 3.12 or 3.13... don't remember which exactly |
| 14:06.49 | enter_man | frostschutz: thanks |
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| 14:08.04 | thomax | frostschutz: the cpu's run on full power the whole time |
| 14:08.35 | enter_man | Ive got a new debian wheezy install, I only get two res options for my monitor (max is 1024), I want to change the resolution to 1366 , how can I do this? |
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| 14:09.34 | thomax | isn't that done in the display settings (gnome)? |
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| 14:10.15 | enter_man | thomax: yep, display settings only shows two options, the 800x600 and 1024x768 |
| 14:10.42 | thomax | wrong video driver, maybe. |
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| 14:11.09 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 14:12.17 | eptalon | what is the least painful way to do a debian install if some grub pointing to an lvm on a raid1 fails to find files that are there? |
| 14:12.35 | frostschutz | thomax, so what's your /sys/bus/cpu/devices/cpu0/cpufreq/ like? |
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| 14:13.48 | thomax | frostschutz: which file in particular? |
| 14:15.13 | frostschutz | thomax, all of them...? |
| 14:15.32 | thomax | frostschutz: /sys/bus/cpu/devices/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors for example contains just performance powersave |
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| 14:16.21 | enter_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.15 | thomax | enter_man: not really, what does lsmod list as your display driver? what card do you have? |
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| 14:19.02 | frostschutz | thomax, well, example for the cpu locked to 800Mhz http://bpaste.net/show/179728/ |
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| 14:20.01 | thomax | frostschutz: http://pastebin.ca/2642571 |
| 14:20.58 | frostschutz | thomax, and when you echo 800000 > scaling_max_freq, does the cur_freq drop? |
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| 14:22.32 | thomax | frostschutz: yes, this drops the cpu frequency but thats not the standard way, or? |
| 14:22.48 | frostschutz | just checking if the cpu scaling works in general |
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| 14:24.12 | thomax | frostschutz: i'm about to configure the 3.10.30 kernel from kernel.org :-( |
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| 14:24.56 | thomax | frostschutz: normaly i use the gnome applet to monitor and manipulate the frequency but even this didn't work well |
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| 14:26.58 | frostschutz | thomax, well, if you set the governor from powersave to performance now, it should be back up. and changing the governor might be what a laptop does when it switches between battery/psu. I'm not sure how to make the intel_pstate more dynamic |
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| 14:27.23 | frostschutz | if 3.10 works for you, go for it *shrug* |
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| 14:28.07 | eptalon | heyas |
| 14:28.15 | thomax | shrugs as well |
| 14:28.21 | doe1097 | hey doe1097_m |
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| 14:28.48 | eptalon | I have a litinfo5 that seems to be broken on disk, this seems to leave me with an unbootable system. |
| 14:28.56 | eptalon | er libtinfo5 |
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| 14:29.32 | eptalon | (debian unstable). ideas how to fix this? |
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| 14:30.36 | eptalon | /bin/bash seems to require that library. |
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| 14:32.44 | jelly-hme | eptalon: does dash work? |
| 14:33.00 | thomax | frostschutz: thanks anyway |
| 14:33.07 | eptalon | jelly-hme: I would need to test; also in /bin? |
| 14:33.10 | jelly-hme | yes |
| 14:33.16 | eptalon | ok, brb. |
| 14:33.23 | jelly-hme | eptalon: if it does, symlink /bin/sh to dash instead of bash |
| 14:33.50 | eptalon | jelly-hme: Atm its about giving a shell to init. |
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| 14:34.11 | jelly-hme | eptalon: I don't know what that means. |
| 14:34.48 | jelly-hme | eptalon: init doesn't require bash |
| 14:35.07 | thomax | frostschutz: thank you anyway |
| 14:35.25 | thomax | oops |
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| 14:35.55 | eptalon | jelly-hme: when you start your system you can append init=... so that initscript will be executed; mz problem is that things like grep, or a ifupdown are not found; so I wanted to boot bash, which fails with said error |
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| 14:44.55 | Cpuroast | W: Failed to fetch http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian/dists/jessie/main/source/SourcesIndex Hash Sum mismatch |
| 14:44.56 | Cpuroast | W: Failed to fetch http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/PackagesIndex Hash Sum mismatch |
| 14:45.05 | Cpuroast | means the mirror is busted? |
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| 14:46.54 | abrotman | Cpuroast: so use another mirror |
| 14:47.03 | abrotman | Cpuroast: change the host to http.debian.net |
| 14:47.10 | Cpuroast | I shall do that |
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| 14:47.17 | Cpuroast | someone should notify iweb.ca |
| 14:47.47 | eptalon | ok, it looks like a number of lib* on my root are corrupted; I have data on a separate partition; what do you suggest? /new install using netinst? |
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| 14:53.45 | Cpuroast | abrotman: changed it to the main debian archive |
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| 14:53.46 | Cpuroast | all is good |
| 14:53.56 | abrotman | Cpuroast: iweb.ca will correct itself eventually |
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| 14:55.44 | Cpuroast | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 14:55.44 | Cpuroast | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:55.51 | Cpuroast | I assume this is intentional on Jessie |
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| 14:57.39 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Cpuroast about dist-upgrade |
| 14:57.51 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Cpuroast about heldback |
| 14:57.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Cpuroast about held back |
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| 15:00.58 | Cpuroast | ah, I get it |
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| 15:19.00 | Imbue | does rsync verify the integrity of files after copying? |
| 15:19.03 | Imbue | or should I add in some md5sum step? |
| 15:19.36 | Cpuroast | abrotman: all good, packages installed fine after a dist-upgrade and system booted without error |
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| 15:20.06 | jelly-hme | doe1097_: might want to change that password sooner rather than later |
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| 15:20.28 | Imbue | lol |
| 15:20.28 | doe1097_ | jiip, thanks |
| 15:20.49 | doe1097_ | fail :-/ |
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| 15:22.45 | abrotman | in so many ways .. |
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| 15:34.57 | pythonsnake | hey is anyone here running debian-armel please? |
| 15:35.03 | shibly | Hi, is mkisofs availabe in debian wheezy? |
| 15:35.17 | Dry_Lips | Is deb.opera.com down? |
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| 15:36.07 | nkuttler | !tell pythonsnake about armel |
| 15:36.19 | nkuttler | Dry_Lips: ask opera.com support |
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| 15:38.59 | pythonsnake | is it possible to emulate qemu armel under vbox? |
| 15:39.09 | abrotman | Dry_Lips: yes |
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| 15:39.54 | Dry_Lips | abrotman: ok, good to know that I'm not the only one... |
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| 15:42.41 | shibly | Any answer? |
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| 15:43.13 | mtn | shibly: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 15:44.24 | shibly | Not available. |
| 15:44.32 | jelly-hme | shibly: no, there's genisoimage instead. |
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| 15:44.41 | jelly-hme | judd: file bin/genisoimage |
| 15:44.46 | judd | Search for bin/genisoimage in wheezy/i386: genisoimage: usr/bin/genisoimage |
| 15:45.06 | shibly | Ok, Thanks |
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| 15:56.48 | dvs | talking to yourself? |
| 15:57.04 | doe1097 | from time to time |
| 15:57.13 | dvs | backs away |
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| 16:01.12 | Pinchiukas | I'm trying to get a UDP socket endpoint for a process. I also know the socket is fd2. Where can I locate it in /proc/<pid>? It seems that I can see it in /proc/<pid>/net/udp but I'm unsure what line I'm supposed to be looking at. |
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| 16:03.38 | jelly-hme | Pinchiukas: it's probably easier to look at lsof -np PID output than to manually inspect contents of /proc/PID/ |
| 16:04.20 | jelly-hme | Pinchiukas: that said, look at /proc/PID/fd/ as well |
| 16:04.40 | noobadix | Hey guys! How can I see the log taken during the boot sequence in a file using wheezy? bootlogd doesn't show" everything" oô |
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| 16:14.08 | doggone | There's some packages (like epdfview, battery-stats) available for Wheezy & sid, but not for Jessie. Why's that? |
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| 16:15.12 | jelly-hme | doggone: ask the bot: /msg dpkg why is epdfview not in testing |
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| 16:16.03 | jelly-hme | dpkg, why is battery-stats not in testing |
| 16:16.04 | dpkg | battery-stats is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=battery-stats |
| 16:16.15 | doggone | For epdfview it refers me to an url which 404s |
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| 16:17.57 | jelly-hme | ,v epdfview |
| 16:17.58 | judd | Package: epdfview on i386 -- squeeze: 0.1.7-4; wheezy: 0.1.8-3 |
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| 16:18.29 | jelly-hme | doggone: that one seems not to exist in anything after wheezy, likely removed from debian |
| 16:18.34 | doggone | oh alright |
| 16:18.37 | doggone | thanks for the info |
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| 16:19.29 | jelly-hme | judd: bug rm epdfview |
| 16:19.32 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/710550 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: epdfview -- ROM; unmaintained, abandonned upstream»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-05-31; last modified: 2013-07-01. |
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| 16:35.55 | Pinchiukas | jelly-hme: it contains FD attributes, not connection attributes unfortunately. |
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| 16:43.18 | ted20 | Ehh... I've got intel haswell audio hd & my internal microphone doesn't work, why? I've got a newest kernel from experimental repository & alsa from sid... |
| 16:43.46 | ted20 | Nobody knows? |
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| 16:45.14 | ted20 | Maybe my alsa.conf is not correct? |
| 16:45.17 | ted20 | For mic? |
| 16:45.54 | mtn | ted20: alsamixer? pavucontrol? |
| 16:46.36 | ted20 | mtn: of course that mic's enable in alsamixer ;) |
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| 16:47.05 | Imbue | hmm, i am having an odd problem in xfce |
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| 16:47.22 | Imbue | whenever I reduce volume using my laptop hotkeys, mute is enabled |
| 16:47.24 | TotalOblivion | Can anyone recomment a good pdf viewer for debian? I'm very new to Linux. |
| 16:47.31 | Imbue | increasing volume does the same thing |
| 16:47.38 | ted20 | TotalOblivion: xpdf ;) |
| 16:47.41 | Imbue | so to change volume I have to press volup/voldn, then unmute... lol |
| 16:47.42 | ted20 | TotalOblivion: or mupdf ;) |
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| 16:48.27 | ted20 | Imbue: Check your alsamixer, if you using it.... |
| 16:48.40 | JyZyXEL | is there a way to override a dependancy when doing dpkg -i? |
| 16:48.43 | TotalOblivion | ted20, thanks! and how to i install it? apt-get install mupdf? |
| 16:48.44 | ted20 | *you're |
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| 16:49.08 | ted20 | TotalOblivion: Yes ;) xpdf's very simple. I reccomend for you ;) |
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| 16:49.49 | ted20 | *recommend ofc ;) |
| 16:50.00 | Imbue | ted20: check what? :) |
| 16:50.17 | ted20 | Imbue: Open terminal, and enter alsamixer ;) |
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| 16:52.23 | ted20 | Imbue: Work now? |
| 16:52.33 | Imbue | ted20: i know, I mean, check what about it? hehe |
| 16:52.55 | Imbue | when I change volume, alsamixer mutes itself |
| 16:53.09 | Imbue | same as xfce's popup (suddenly an X appears over the loudspeaker) |
| 16:53.21 | Imbue | so i have to take the step volup -> mute in order to volup |
| 16:54.04 | ted20 | Imbue: yes, hmmm... Maybe try press M key? |
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| 16:55.43 | Imbue | o_o |
| 16:55.44 | Imbue | this works |
| 16:55.46 | Imbue | lol |
| 16:55.49 | Imbue | very odd, thanks ted |
| 16:55.55 | ted20 | thx ;) |
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| 17:03.27 | nomine | Is anyone here GPEN certified? |
| 17:04.05 | TotalOblivion | can I set as default program for pdfs mupdf and open pdf files, all these from terminal? |
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| 17:09.39 | Imbue | hmm |
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| 17:09.49 | Imbue | i now have alsamixer using 100% of one core. exciting |
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| 17:10.12 | Imbue | killed it and all is well :P |
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| 17:10.28 | ajoul | is there an easy way to uninstall grub other than using the installation disk? |
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| 17:11.41 | Sauvin | <Evidlo> Why does Fedora's package metadata expire after 90m whereas Debian you are supposed to update it manually? |
| 17:12.10 | mtn | ajoul: package manager tools? |
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| 17:12.28 | ajoul | mtn tell me more |
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| 17:12.38 | mtn | ajoul: what is there to tell? |
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| 17:14.24 | ajoul | mtn how to do it |
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| 17:14.44 | ted20 | ajoul: Hello again! |
| 17:14.53 | ted20 | ajoul: Maybe mitm :D ? |
| 17:14.55 | mtn | ajoul: you don't know how to install or unistall packages? man aptitude or man apt-get or use synaptic. |
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| 17:15.13 | mroe | I realize the answer to my question isn't really debian related, but I'm out of ideas. I have a debian dhcp server set up for testing an IP camera. For some reason it won't DHCPACK |
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| 17:15.18 | ajoul | mtn so how do I uninstall grub? |
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| 17:15.32 | ted20 | ajoul: apt-get purge grub ;) |
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| 17:15.39 | mroe | any thoughts on what I can try |
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| 17:16.04 | ajoul | mtn grub is a system software that is loaded after bios on the boot up driver |
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| 17:16.08 | Seb | mroe: tcpdump |
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| 17:16.18 | ajoul | mtn I can't use package manager |
| 17:16.22 | Imbue | ajoul: what are you trying to achieve |
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| 17:16.25 | mtn | ajoul: do you want to remove grub from the mbr? |
| 17:16.26 | Imbue | ajoul: by 'removing' oit |
| 17:16.28 | jelly-hme | Pinchiukas: really? No listener port like edge 31830 n2n-edge 5u IPv4 278098 0t0 UDP *:28464 |
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| 17:16.38 | Imbue | you need to add some other bootloader |
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| 17:16.49 | ted20 | ajoul: For example syslinux ;) |
| 17:16.50 | jelly-hme | Pinchiukas: make sure to run lsof as root or the user the service is running as |
| 17:16.56 | ajoul | Imbue remove grub, I want the default booting options |
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| 17:17.06 | ajoul | Like booting straight from the disk |
| 17:17.08 | Imbue | what do you mean by 'default' |
| 17:17.08 | ajoul | no bootloader |
| 17:17.11 | mtn | ajoul: what default? what are you talking about |
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| 17:17.21 | Imbue | the bootloader is straight from the disk |
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| 17:17.25 | Imbue | you mean windows bootloader or something? |
| 17:17.32 | ajoul | Imbue it boots using grub |
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| 17:17.43 | ajoul | yeah windows boot loader |
| 17:17.45 | mtn | ajoul: the computer won't boot without a boot loader of some sort |
| 17:17.46 | Imbue | grub is required to boot your system |
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| 17:18.10 | ted20 | ajoul: Maybe you can uninstall all linux distro? |
| 17:18.16 | mtn | ajoul: if you are talking about the windows boot loader, please go to a windows channel |
| 17:18.17 | Imbue | lol |
| 17:18.17 | Imbue | ajoul: try |
| 17:18.17 | Imbue | #windows... if I remember, windows recovery disk FIXMBR FIXBOOT usually restores it |
| 17:18.25 | ctmjr | are you trying to get rid of debian? |
| 17:18.31 | Imbue | you don't want to 'uninstall grub' because you will be left with a blank mbr and your computer will not boot, lol |
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| 17:18.44 | ajoul | ted20 not really what I try to achieve, I just don't want to have to select OS every time I boot |
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| 17:18.56 | Seb | mroe: "proto bootp" will help |
| 17:19.02 | Imbue | ajoul: there is a grub option to fix that |
| 17:19.09 | Imbue | ajoul: google for 'grub disable boot delay' |
| 17:19.11 | mtn | ajoul: maybe you should tell us what you really want to do, so we can quit guessing |
| 17:19.16 | ajoul | mtn http://askubuntu.com/questions/151253/removing-grub-from-windows-system-after-uninstalling-ubuntu-from-windows-7 |
| 17:19.21 | ajoul | its too time consuiming |
| 17:19.21 | Imbue | it will only prompt if you hold the special key (i don't remember what it is, f2 ors omething) |
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| 17:19.33 | Imbue | hahaha |
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| 17:20.22 | ted20 | ajoul: ok, so, you must edit grub config, and select default os... |
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| 17:21.04 | ted20 | Imbue: I see |
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| 17:22.20 | mroe | Seb, yea, I'm looking now. Nothing is standing out |
| 17:22.42 | Seb | mroe: you wanna compare that trace with a "correct" run, with some client successfully getting the ack |
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| 17:33.10 | JyZyXEL | after "dpkg-buildpackage" i got like 20 .deb packages, how do i install them? |
| 17:33.30 | JyZyXEL | there is some dependacy between them so i cannot just dpkg -i one of them |
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| 17:36.18 | Linux_Banfix | JyZyXEL, dpkg -i all of them |
| 17:37.18 | JyZyXEL | Linux_Banfix: it was just a correct order thing |
| 17:37.55 | Kitt3n | JyZyXEL, I doubt the program will care, unless the packages overwrite each other which they shouldn't do |
| 17:38.03 | JyZyXEL | they do though |
| 17:38.19 | JyZyXEL | full and lite versions |
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| 17:56.36 | leo-unglaub | hey, how can i up the limit if open files permanent? ulimit -n 10000 is only temporary |
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| 18:01.12 | Okee | How do I get around authentification problems, when the password quit working? I didn't forget the password, but Debian Stable is no longer recognizing it? |
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| 18:02.54 | Imbue | Okee: that sounds unlikely |
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| 18:03.04 | remzer | can the CPU be underclocked in order to have the fan run slower and save battery on a laptop? |
| 18:03.16 | Okee | Imbue> That is what I thought, but no it did indeed happen, so what do I do? |
| 18:03.20 | Imbue | remzer: most modern systems should be doing that automatically; what cpu do you have? |
| 18:05.20 | remzer | Imbue: the system can't know automatically how I'd like to clock the CPU :) I got an i5 M520 |
| 18:05.54 | Imbue | remzer: i guess you mean to prevent it from increasing beyond a specific frequency? |
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| 18:06.13 | remzer | Imbue: yes |
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| 18:08.35 | Imbue | i found a tool named 'cpufrequtils' remzer |
| 18:08.47 | Imbue | it may be useful for you to look into |
| 18:09.09 | Imbue | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_use_cpufrequtils some useful info |
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| 18:09.56 | remzer | Imbue: I already heard of that but never digged into it before; it's pretty high at popcon. Seems to be the tool I was looking for. |
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| 18:12.37 | Imbue | hmm, just looked into popcon |
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| 18:12.46 | Imbue | the data is really interesting |
| 18:12.47 | remzer | Imbue: how simple and straightforward that tool is :) |
| 18:13.17 | remzer | Imbue: (I meant cpufreq-utils, but popcon too is an interesting project :) |
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| 18:14.36 | Imbue | remzer: do you have any other recommendations of tools I could use to achieve similar goals (reducing power usage)? |
| 18:14.53 | Imbue | i have tried powertop but it seems to lack a lot of features on amd |
| 18:14.59 | ted20 | Imbue: check your private inbox |
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| 18:16.48 | remzer | ted20: what private inbox? |
| 18:17.00 | Imbue | remzer: he messaged me |
| 18:17.19 | remzer | ah, right, it's your name, not mine, Imbue :) |
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| 18:18.38 | remzer | Imbue: powertop is the only tool I know of to save battery. Since the version in stable is very old I think about begging the maintainers to backport the version in jessie |
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| 18:22.59 | rneese | hey guys |
| 18:23.07 | rneese | I have a question about init.d |
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| 18:23.23 | rneese | is there a way to set the order what is loaded |
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| 18:24.13 | remzer | rneese: you might wanna be interested in upstart |
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| 18:24.39 | rneese | upstart |
| 18:24.44 | rneese | not heard of it |
| 18:24.46 | rneese | ok |
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| 18:26.59 | rneese | reading |
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| 18:28.52 | rneese | there is a debate page |
| 18:28.56 | mtn | rneese: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/unix-services.html |
| 18:28.58 | rneese | but is there a howto page |
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| 18:29.42 | rneese | btw the issue is only on arm boards |
| 18:29.48 | rneese | but I am reading thanks |
| 18:33.07 | rneese | the issue is the network is coming up at the sametime the app is loading and the app hangs trying to connect to the eth interface |
| 18:33.30 | rneese | if I unplug and boot it all comes up fine |
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| 18:34.15 | rneese | but if I reboot with eth0 plugged in the app a pbx softwatch fails to conncet . so this is killing me |
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| 18:36.52 | heedly | How do I get CPU/MEM usage to show up in the bottom pop-up thing in gnome 3? |
| 18:37.09 | heedly | I did it once before,so I know it possible. But I forgot how. |
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| 18:44.57 | wilmaaaah | hi all. what's rpc_pipefs? "mount" gives me this line: rpc_pipefs on /run/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw,relatime) |
| 18:45.14 | wilmaaaah | i had no nfs mounts |
| 18:45.31 | wols | any "rpc*" tasks running? |
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| 18:45.55 | wilmaaaah | i didn't start any and now i have stopped all |
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| 18:46.17 | wols | then check who owns that /run file |
| 18:46.36 | wilmaaaah | statd is the user |
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| 18:47.14 | wilmaaaah | i've killed this process but that mount persists |
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| 18:50.14 | wilmaaaah | is there a text file /usr/sbin/rpc.statd? |
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| 18:54.05 | kriebz | wilmaaaah: it's just a virtual filessytem used by various sunrpc programs. why does it bug you so much that it's there? |
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| 18:55.43 | wilmaaaah | long story short: i had troubles with KDE programs starting up and an strace showed all these programs such as dolphin, smplayer, basically any program started from within KDE, tried to connect to port 111 |
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| 18:56.57 | wilmaaaah | it took minutes for these programs to start |
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| 18:58.22 | wilmaaaah | i could start them normally from a console though, so, KDE seemed to be the problem at first |
| 18:58.49 | Kitt3n | wilmaaaah, hardware specs? |
| 18:58.58 | kriebz | that doesn't make any sense |
| 18:59.02 | wilmaaaah | what in particular? |
| 18:59.20 | Kitt3n | wilmaaaah, cpu and ram |
| 18:59.38 | wilmaaaah | it's an older Athlon 3GHz |
| 18:59.51 | wilmaaaah | 8 GB Ram |
| 19:00.11 | kriebz | that also doesn't matter |
| 19:00.25 | Kitt3n | erm. It obviously DOES matter if you have very bad specs. |
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| 19:00.51 | kriebz | makes sure he isn't in #ubuntu |
| 19:00.55 | Kitt3n | I really don't know, only thing I can say is a reinstall |
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| 19:01.36 | wilmaaaah | so, this is my strace when i start dolphin: |
| 19:01.37 | kriebz | rpcbind probably hung. I'm not sure why KDE (or its shell) tries to call an RPC function instead of just launching the program |
| 19:01.37 | wilmaaaah | socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP) = 9 |
| 19:01.37 | wilmaaaah | bind(9, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(0), sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 16) = 0 |
| 19:01.40 | wilmaaaah | connect(9, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(111), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16 |
| 19:01.42 | kriebz | did it persist after reboots? |
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| 19:01.55 | wols | wilmaaaah: is something listening on port 111? |
| 19:02.30 | wilmaaaah | not anymore, killed it.netstat showed a tcp and a udp port |
| 19:03.03 | kriebz | wilmaaaah: do you use NFS for anything? |
| 19:04.22 | wilmaaaah | kriebz: i had two exports on my local lan |
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| 19:04.39 | wilmaaaah | i had no mounts on this machine |
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| 19:04.43 | kriebz | so "yes" |
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| 19:05.20 | kriebz | did the problem persist through reboots? |
| 19:05.39 | wilmaaaah | i really don't know. i think i haven't rebooted yet |
| 19:05.54 | wilmaaaah | i think i haven't rebooted |
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| 19:06.30 | kriebz | you can try restarting the rpcbind service, or (hate to say it) reboot and see what happens |
| 19:06.47 | kriebz | rpcbind is what listens on 111, and it can crash, just like any program |
| 19:07.10 | wilmaaaah | i have stoppped rpcbind and nfs-common now |
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| 19:07.36 | wilmaaaah | the KDE problem persists |
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| 19:08.43 | kriebz | then it sounds like a KDE problem. maybe log out and log back in. maybe a bad option got put into dolphin in the package you're using |
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| 19:09.24 | wilmaaaah | oh. that sounds rather unspectacular |
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| 19:09.54 | wilmaaaah | i'll try that and come back |
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| 19:14.02 | thaicares | anyone have suggestions on how to make another ditro operate more like debian? |
| 19:14.16 | thaicares | or exactly like debian for that matter! |
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| 19:15.47 | centrx | thaicares, install Debian insead? |
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| 19:16.05 | thaicares | what is the fun centrx? |
| 19:16.13 | Kitt3n | thaicares, if you want Debian, install Debian? |
| 19:16.54 | thaicares | Kitt3n too easy? |
| 19:17.03 | peterrooney | thaicares: that's an impossibly ambiguous question. Package system, services policy, package selection, existance of packages at all, update policy, pro/anti GNOME... |
| 19:17.40 | Kitt3n | thaicares, install the minimal system and disable networking. That would be "fun" I am sure. |
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| 19:17.48 | thaicares | peterrooney all of thoe except I don't care about GNOME or no GNOME |
| 19:17.53 | peterrooney | thaicares: leading to one unambiguous question - what are you trying to do with your debian system? |
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| 19:18.18 | thaicares | all the simple usual stuff |
| 19:18.43 | Imbue | thaicares: if you install with the normal installer and disable desktop environment and system utils |
| 19:18.46 | thaicares | manage document, a website, downloaded content, etc... |
| 19:18.56 | Imbue | thaicares: you can apt-get install gnome or kde or xfce or lxde or fluxbox and there you are |
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| 19:19.16 | thaicares | Imbue I know |
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| 19:19.41 | Kitt3n | thaicares, I honestly don't see the problem and why it's "too easy" |
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| 19:20.01 | Imbue | i joined partway through, what are you trying to do? |
| 19:20.20 | Kitt3n | Imbue, he's basically saying it's "too easy" to just install Debian. |
| 19:20.41 | kriebz | you can make a directory, debootstrap in it, chroot, mount /proc and /dev, and pretend it's debian |
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| 19:20.47 | Imbue | isn't this why things like slackware were invented |
| 19:21.22 | Kitt3n | Imbue, he also wants the system to "act like" Debian :P |
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| 19:22.03 | Imbue | if you want it to act like debian, surely you either use apt, or you do some weird kludge involving not using apt and then trying to get apt to recognise all of your fumbles |
| 19:22.08 | Imbue | the latter sounds very fun |
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| 19:22.31 | Kitt3n | Fun, as in big mess? Yup! |
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| 19:25.25 | wilmaaaah | well, a reboot didn't fix it either |
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| 19:30.04 | Alaunus | I just reinstalled Wheezy on my Lenovo X220, and my battery life is in the toilet. I've done the usual powertop/laptop-mode-tools config settings, but I'm still seeing ~3, 3.5 hours of worktime when I should get at *least* 5. Anything else I can check/do? |
| 19:30.34 | centrx | Alaunus, Is something expensive running in the background? |
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| 19:31.52 | Alaunus | centrx: I don't think so - the processsor use graph in my toolbar isn't doing anything unreasonable and htop doesn't show anything either |
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| 19:32.27 | Kitt3n | Alaunus, are you sure the battery can still handle 5 hours? |
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| 19:33.08 | Alaunus | Kitt3n: yeah, about two weeks ago before I installed I would get that pretty easily |
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| 19:38.07 | tomreyn | hi! |
| 19:38.18 | tomreyn | what is this warning trying to warn me about? |
| 19:38.20 | tomreyn | http://paste.debian.net/plain/82413 |
| 19:38.40 | tomreyn | "don't erase bootbits sectors on whole disk" |
| 19:39.43 | tomreyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:41.01 | tomreyn | that's on wheezy |
| 19:41.28 | \shawn | hi |
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| 19:44.53 | kriebz | tomreyn: it's just a pointless nag it does when (I think) you write to what it thinks is a whole disk and it's zeroed |
| 19:45.12 | kriebz | just telling you not to write over your boot sector or partition table |
| 19:45.46 | bernat_ | why is bug 477714 ignored and ipv6 enabled in avahi-daemon? I hit this bug every now and then. |
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| 19:48.03 | centrx | Alaunus, Compare the new config files with the old config files? (They may be stored in the same directory with moved extensions like .bak or .dpkg-old) |
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| 19:51.03 | jelly-hme | tomreyn: that's a somewhat outdated warning to make you remember not to create swap space over somewhat that looks like a whole disk |
| 19:51.46 | jhutchins | tomreyn: swap on raid? |
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| 19:53.17 | jelly-hme | jhutchins: saner than swap on not-raid |
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| 19:53.46 | homecable | any one mess with shoutcast before ? |
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| 19:54.20 | pythonsnake | hey |
| 19:54.24 | JyZyXEL | whats the correct channel to ask for help when "make" gives you an error? |
| 19:54.25 | pythonsnake | where are all the lenny packages? |
| 19:54.25 | lae | I'm finding it difficult to troubleshoot why initramfs/ipconfig can't see my network device on boot http://milk.tea.jp/i/gl3HCB.png |
| 19:54.25 | oops | I accidentally deleted the /etc/nginx/sites-available/default file. How do I reinstall it? I tried: aptitude reinstall nginx as well as aptitude reinstall nginx-full |
| 19:54.28 | jhutchins | jelly-hme: How so? |
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| 19:54.41 | oops | unable to find out which package owned that file |
| 19:55.08 | pythonsnake | !lenny |
| 19:55.09 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 19:55.10 | jhutchins | I mean, unless you have real hot-rod RAID5 or something fast and expensive, why waste space on the RAID. |
| 19:55.41 | jelly-hme | jhutchins: same reason why raid is used at all -- to decrease downtime |
| 19:56.34 | jhutchins | remains skeptical. |
| 19:56.38 | jelly-hme | jhutchins: swap space dying on Linux means insta-kernel panic |
| 19:56.43 | kale | jhutchins: i use raid to decrease downtime, and to gain speed |
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| 19:56.50 | jhutchins | jelly-hme: BTW what's the support rule for oldstable? 1 year, or until the next release? |
| 19:57.02 | jelly-hme | 1 year after the next release |
| 19:57.17 | jhutchins | !squeze |
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| 19:57.28 | jhutchins | !squeeze |
| 19:57.29 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <squeeze release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.9>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 19:58.33 | jhutchins | So squeeze is only supported through May of this year? |
| 19:58.57 | jelly-hme | yes |
| 19:59.07 | jhutchins | Thanks, I wasn't clear on that. |
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| 19:59.45 | jelly-hme | that is, unless Debian suddenly gains resources (people, money to pay them) for more security support |
| 19:59.56 | jelly-hme | HINT HINT |
| 20:01.53 | realitygrill | why does a folder have two hardklinks always (seemingly?) |
| 20:02.03 | realitygrill | er, at least two |
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| 20:03.09 | lae | I'm trying to get dropbear functioning correctly, have it installed (apt-get install dropbear) and configured grub's cmdline to take a static IP like so http://milk.tea.jp/i/UXrQRt.png |
| 20:03.16 | jhutchins | realitygrill: Do you mean . and ..? |
| 20:03.21 | tomreyn | jhutchins: bad idea? |
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| 20:03.30 | tomreyn | (swap on raid1) |
| 20:03.33 | realitygrill | jhutchins: ohhhhhh. that makes sense. |
| 20:03.55 | jhutchins | tomreyn: Not necessarily, I just wanted to know what your own reason was. |
| 20:04.37 | tomreyn | well raid-1 hopefully gets me slightly better performance, or not worse. |
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| 20:05.30 | tomreyn | and thenby puttin it on the raid + lvm i get more flexibility. |
| 20:05.44 | jelly-hme | unfortunately it's not visibly better than a single spindle |
| 20:05.47 | tomreyn | i'm not sure whether lvm is a good idea there, though |
| 20:06.46 | tomreyn | as long as its not worse than a single partition on a single disk then i'll be fine |
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| 20:07.39 | tomreyn | oh and thanks everyone gelping me interpret that warning |
| 20:07.44 | tomreyn | *helping |
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| 20:11.42 | CyberPunkZ | hey i was wondering does jessie have the packages gbdfed and xfontsel |
| 20:12.20 | Kitt3n | CyberPunkZ, apt-get install gbdfed xfontsel? |
| 20:12.30 | CyberPunkZ | i tried that duh |
| 20:12.55 | Kitt3n | Tried looking on the Debian homepage? |
| 20:12.57 | CyberPunkZ | says E: Unable to locate package xfontsel and gbdfed |
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| 20:13.14 | Slydder | hey all |
| 20:13.16 | CyberPunkZ | what apt source.list should i use |
| 20:13.24 | CyberPunkZ | umm like for sid |
| 20:13.29 | Kitt3n | CyberPunkZ, paste your current one? |
| 20:13.34 | Slydder | I have been searching all day for a way to get the package name and hook action when dpkg does an install/remove/purge. am working on a permissions cache (kinda like the rpm permissions cache) which need to fire on on pre-invoke and post-invoke. any ideas? |
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| 20:14.10 | CyberPunkZ | http://ftp.ca.debian.org/jessie/main amd64 and sources |
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| 20:14.29 | CyberPunkZ | backports basicly the default jessie |
| 20:14.42 | norberhuis | What does the T stand for if I use ls -l and it shows me crw-rw---T ? |
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| 20:17.37 | TotalOblivion | can I set as default program for pdfs mupdf and open pdf files, all these from terminal? |
| 20:17.41 | centrx | norberhuis, It has the same meaning as lower-case t described in the chmod manual |
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| 20:17.58 | centrx | norberhuis, Capital vs lower-case means the x bit is set or not |
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| 20:21.36 | norberhuis | centrx, thanks! |
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| 20:25.32 | kriebz | realitygrill: . and .. |
| 20:25.55 | kriebz | er, the parent's entry for it, and its . entry |
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| 20:41.41 | JyZyXEL | if i have a X running as root, how do i run an application as a normal user? |
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| 20:42.12 | centrx | Don't run X as root |
| 20:42.21 | centrx | You are doing it backwards. |
| 20:42.22 | skribblezatcha | test. |
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| 20:42.41 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: you don't :) |
| 20:42.47 | JyZyXEL | well damn it |
| 20:42.51 | kriebz | JyZyXEL: what centrx said. and whatever you do, don't read the man page for xhost |
| 20:43.03 | JyZyXEL | don't worry, i will not read it |
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| 21:08.43 | \shawn | yo |
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| 21:11.16 | Okee | I am confused. Can someone tell me if I need the dev or the dbg version of Icedove 24.2.0-1: http://openmct.org/misc/icedove-wheezy/ |
| 21:11.42 | wols | Okee: for what purpose? |
| 21:11.49 | Okee | Both of these were found under the wheezy folder that Christopher developed: http://openmct.org/misc/ |
| 21:12.25 | centrx | Okee, I would recommend using http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 21:12.33 | Okee | I am hoping to upgrade Icedove 17.0.1 It is just too buggy. I have events that won't shut off, and where the program wont' allow me to delete them. There are too many bugs to list here. The program is just too old. |
| 21:12.57 | Okee | Mozilla Debian is Version 17.0.1 This is too old. |
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| 21:13.05 | wols | then you want to use mozilla.debian.net and you will not need a -dbg or -dev package at all |
| 21:13.16 | wols | mozilla.debian.net is not |
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| 21:13.40 | Okee | wols> I have the sources for Mozilla Debian in my sources.list and it doesn't upgrade past version 17.0.1 |
| 21:13.55 | Okee | It is too old; full of bugs. |
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| 21:15.01 | centrx | Okee, http://mozilla.debian.net/pool/icedove-esr/i/icedove/ |
| 21:15.07 | centrx | Okee, Not sure how you get that into your sources.list |
| 21:15.13 | Okee | centrx> That is version 17.0.1 |
| 21:15.21 | ompaul | Okee: pastebin http://paste.debian.net /etc/apt/sources.list now please |
| 21:15.26 | centrx | icedove_24.0-1~bpo70+1_amd64.deb |
| 21:15.27 | Okee | It is too old, and full of bugs. We are on Version 24+ |
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| 21:15.31 | centrx | It is version 24 |
| 21:15.35 | wols | ,v icedove |
| 21:15.36 | judd | Package: icedove on i386 -- squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12-1; wheezy-security: 17.0.10-1~deb7u1; jessie: 17.0.10-1; sid: 24.3.0-1 |
| 21:16.11 | wols | supposedly the v 24.0 is for wheezy backports |
| 21:16.27 | wols | so a normal backport repo should work |
| 21:16.41 | Okee | centrx> I have that source in my sources list, and it will not update past Version 17.0.1 It has been that way for a long time. I have spoken with a couple of the .deb package maintainers and they are working on 24+, but it isn't official. I think it has been released to unstable. |
| 21:16.42 | ompaul | no evidence of any repo right now |
| 21:17.13 | ompaul | wols: and given the ops definition of posting (not doing so) I'm not in the slightest bit interesting ;-) |
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| 21:17.24 | Okee | The last I heard, the only remaining issue was that the gnome keyring had not been tested with unstable/testing. I was hoping to do that for them last weekend, but I ran out of time. |
| 21:17.55 | ompaul | goes away to the land of tesseracts |
| 21:18.25 | Okee | Can someone tell me the command for downloading a program with a different pin order? |
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| 21:21.36 | changeguy | how can I set up sshd to not kick users after a period of inactivity? |
| 21:21.38 | TotalOblivion | Any recommendation for torrent and .txt programs? |
| 21:22.31 | changeguy | also, how can I edit grub to get rid of the pae option kernel, because my system dosen't support it but it tries to load it automaticly whenever it gets reset |
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| 21:23.10 | Okee | I figured it out. The dbg means debug version, and the dev is for development. So which one would most likely be less buggy? Version 24+ Icedove is currently listed in the unstable branch. |
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| 21:23.59 | centrx | Okee, Neither of those are for ordinary use. |
| 21:24.16 | centrx | Okee, The dbg version will be larger and slower. The dev version does not contain the Icedove binaries |
| 21:24.20 | Okee | centrx> They can't be any worse than version 17.0.1 |
| 21:24.45 | Okee | Centrx> Maybe I should run this in virtualization first? |
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| 21:25.04 | Okee | I am on an older computer, so I can only run QEMU. Can't run KVM. |
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| 21:25.32 | Okee | I am going to try QEMU. I have never run the program before. |
| 21:25.41 | kriebz | Okee: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 21:26.14 | Okee | kriebz> That URL has problems, and will not upgrade you past Version 17.0.1 Version 17.0.1 is real legacy and full of bugs. |
| 21:26.17 | changeguy | how can I remove an entry from grub so it won't auto boot a certian kernel? |
| 21:26.31 | kriebz | oh... it worked last year, the last time I tried it |
| 21:27.09 | kriebz | changeguy: very varefully look in /etc/grub.d/ |
| 21:27.19 | kriebz | and get a new computer |
| 21:27.45 | centrx | Okee, Why are you choosing between dbg and dev? I see an icedove_24.2.0-1~deb7u1_amd64.deb in the repository you linked? |
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| 21:29.06 | vamadir | i have openvz vps + debian (x86), i need update kernel headers. what kind of headers i need download? i386 or openvz?? I am not shure about openvz |
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| 21:30.36 | Okee | centrx> Thanks, my visual acuity is lacking today. |
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| 21:36.06 | changeguy | kriebz: any idea what file to edit in pactuliar? |
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| 21:37.17 | CyberPunkZ | hmm |
| 21:37.46 | kriebz | changeguy: maybe you could just remove the -pae kernel package. is it separate? |
| 21:37.58 | CyberPunkZ | i have install libfreetype-dev and libxft-dev , but for some odd reason theres no /usr/include/ft2build.h |
| 21:38.03 | centrx | changeguy, grub-set-default ? |
| 21:38.19 | changeguy | kriebz: yea i would like to just remove it entirely |
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| 21:38.25 | CyberPunkZ | libfreetype6 suppose to have ft2build.h |
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| 21:39.11 | kriebz | changeguy: look at what centrx said, it's probably the simplest fix, but then grep the output of dpkg -l and see what you see |
| 21:39.45 | CyberPunkZ | nevermind i see it |
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| 21:41.23 | changeguy | kriebz: so all the output of those are packages I have installed? |
| 21:42.20 | kriebz | changeguy: if it starts with "ii", yes |
| 21:42.37 | changeguy | ok |
| 21:42.54 | changeguy | centrx: how do I know what entry to pick with grub-set-default |
| 21:43.04 | changeguy | centrx: I don't see a list |
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| 21:44.03 | changeguy | kriebz: so I can just apt-get remove the ii linux-image-686-pae 3.2+46 i386 Linux for modern PCs (meta-package) |
| 21:44.17 | changeguy | kriebz: will it take it out of grub for me |
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| 21:44.39 | kriebz | be very careful; you might not have a bootable system |
| 21:45.24 | kriebz | it looks like wheezy has "486" and "pae" instead of "686" |
| 21:45.43 | kriebz | you have a very unlucky cpu/motherboard that pae doesn't work |
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| 21:45.59 | changeguy | kriebz: yea |
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| 21:46.30 | changeguy | kriebz: its the lowest power x86 on the market. use it as a wifi hotspot and also a file server etc |
| 21:46.35 | Okee | I would like to find a version of IceOwl that is compatibile with IceDove 24. I installed IceDove, and so far no problems, but the version of IceDove that I was using wasn't compatible, and ended up being deactivated. Is there something more current? |
| 21:46.53 | kriebz | changeguy: then try the 486 kernel |
| 21:46.59 | Okee | Meant to say IceOwl was deactivated. IceDove works fine. |
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| 21:48.57 | changeguy | kriebz: so to be sure, apt-get remove linux-image-686-pae should work right? will it take it off my grub or do I need to run grub-update |
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| 21:49.57 | kriebz | changeguy: I'm really bad with grub2. just make sure you have linux-image-486 or whatever installed, then try booting into it to make sure it works, then, and only then, delete the pae one |
| 21:50.23 | wood2 | Hi what software is recommended for streaming from server to my home pc on debian ? |
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| 21:51.19 | changeguy | kriebz: i boot into that already, otherwise i wouldnt be able to be loged in |
| 21:53.25 | skiddex | i had some issues installing and running fail2ban - traceback errors for a missing fail2ban.pid file |
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| 21:54.11 | kriebz | ok, then yeah, you should be able to remove that linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae package |
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| 21:54.28 | Okee | Is there a version of IceOwl that will work with IceDove 24 |
| 21:54.28 | kriebz | wood2: streaming... what? |
| 21:54.33 | Okee | ? |
| 21:54.58 | wood2 | kriebz, movies, tv-shows |
| 21:55.12 | changeguy | Krenz: thanks. so remove the meta package right? |
| 21:55.36 | wood2 | kriebz, I already have Plex, but http://gyazo.com/6734fa593699d172fb3674409b6a393e annoyes me, so asking if there is a good alternative |
| 21:55.53 | kriebz | changeguy: just as long as it's the pae metapackage |
| 21:56.15 | changeguy | kk |
| 21:56.17 | Okee | Never mind, it looks like it is on the URL that referred me to IceDove 24. |
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| 21:57.52 | gawen | anyone managed to use a Kyocera FS-1320MFP with cups? |
| 21:58.20 | changeguy | kriebz: ok so I still have to remove other packages after the meta |
| 22:00.24 | kriebz | changeguy: run apt-get autoremove |
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| 22:01.16 | changeguy | kriebz: I also get this after removing pae: Removing symbolic link initrd.img |
| 22:01.18 | changeguy | You may need to re-run your boot loader |
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| 22:02.42 | kriebz | hmmm |
| 22:02.44 | changeguy | kriebz: what do they mean about re-run your boot loader? |
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| 22:06.56 | changeguy | how can I re-run my bootloader |
| 22:07.04 | ctmjr | update-grub |
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| 22:08.03 | changeguy | kriebz: im going to try running update-grub |
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| 22:08.13 | changeguy | ctmjr: thanks |
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| 22:09.51 | Puree | hello |
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| 22:11.30 | Puree | I have an apt-get problem or such: trying to install from the kolab repo for 3.2, everything seems ok but the content of the files from the Update branch doesn't seem to be browsed, what should I check? |
| 22:12.06 | Puree | i use the repos noted there http://docs.kolab.org/installation-guide/debian.html |
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| 22:12.49 | Puree | everything seems correct but my apt doesn't seems to consider the update repo |
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| 22:13.35 | changeguy | ok I got it to work |
| 22:13.43 | changeguy | kriebz: thanks |
| 22:13.46 | kriebz | woo |
| 22:13.47 | changeguy | and thanks everyone else |
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| 22:14.42 | changeguy | now I wonder how I can configure sshd to not kick me off after a period of inactivity |
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| 22:15.25 | Puree | it's really a problem as for now the regular branch as troubles -cpu usage circa 99% |
| 22:15.29 | Puree | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.45 | dondelelcaro | changeguy: by default in Debian it doesn't. |
| 22:16.29 | kriebz | that's a side-effect of packet loss or crummy tcp keepalive settings |
| 22:16.42 | mtn | Puree: those repos won't be supported in this channel |
| 22:17.46 | Puree | well I am asking general guidelines, so to know what to check in such circumstances, not regarding the files hosted ther eprecisely |
| 22:18.03 | kriebz | you might have to manually install some packages from the other repo |
| 22:18.25 | mtn | Puree: man apt-get I suppose |
| 22:18.42 | changeguy | dondelelcaro: well it does kick me off |
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| 22:18.51 | changeguy | dondelelcaro: havent changed it myself |
| 22:19.04 | changeguy | dondelelcaro: or could it be the ssh client I use? |
| 22:19.13 | dondelelcaro | changeguy: do you have TMOUT or anything else set up? is this a Debian server that you're sshing to ? |
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| 22:19.31 | Puree | my config seem fine, the adress is correct so I don't know how to debug thid |
| 22:19.33 | Puree | s |
| 22:19.54 | changeguy | dondelelcaro: I haven't installed TMOUT or anything like that (not sure what that is). It is a Debian server indeed |
| 22:19.55 | Puree | mtn tried that of course, didn't give me a clue |
| 22:20.01 | mtn | Puree: if you install those you won't be running debian anymore, to be picky and we usually are ;) |
| 22:20.32 | dondelelcaro | changeguy: how are you being disconnected? Are you using Debian's ssh client? |
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| 22:21.08 | Puree | mtn well they don't replace the apt-get command, only the apache server and such;) |
| 22:21.36 | mtn | !frankendebian |
| 22:21.38 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 22:22.13 | dondelelcaro | changeguy: if you're just being disconnected randomly, then it's likely that your network is dropping tcp connections or similar. This isn't that uncommon if you're behind NAT. |
| 22:22.30 | Puree | oki dpkg thanks for the hint |
| 22:23.13 | dondelelcaro | changeguy: in such a case, set ServerAliveInterval to something smallish (say 60 or so) to keep the connection alive |
| 22:23.30 | changeguy | dondelelcaro: they are both on a local area network |
| 22:23.32 | changeguy | the same |
| 22:23.48 | changeguy | dondelelcaro: dosen't seem random, only after I don't input anything after a period of time |
| 22:24.00 | dondelelcaro | changeguy: do you get logged out if you ssh localhost; from the Debian box itself? |
| 22:24.10 | changeguy | ill check that |
| 22:24.15 | dondelelcaro | changeguy: do you get a logout message? or does the connection just go away? |
| 22:24.27 | changeguy | nah, the connection just disconnects without a message |
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| 22:25.23 | changeguy | dondelelcaro: going to log in via localhost and ill let it sit. bbl |
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| 22:28.57 | dondelelcaro | changeguy: yeah, disconnecting without a message is usually indicative of network silliness. |
| 22:29.08 | dondelelcaro | changeguy: you can try running with ssh -vv foohost; to see if that's really what is going on |
| 22:29.19 | dondelelcaro | changeguy: you may also be interested in autossh |
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| 22:40.35 | centrx | linux-headers, linux-source |
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| 22:49.54 | elkingrey | How come Wordpress plugins don't show up in Synaptic? I'm used to only adding iceweasel and icedove plugins that are in Synaptic. But it appears Wordpress plugins don't make it to Synaptic. Why is that? |
| 22:51.39 | changeguy | so I have a specific version of flash made for my device, which runs Ubuntu Jaunty - (Atrix 4g, an Android phone). I run debian in a chroot on it, and I was wondering would it be possible to copy the flash files from the jaunty setup under firefox to the debian chroot running iceweasel |
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| 22:53.43 | centrx | elkingrey, Are they installed as Debian packages? |
| 22:54.44 | elkingrey | centrix: I'm not sure what you're asking. You mean the icedove and iceweasel add-ons? Yes, the add-ons I use for iceweasel and icedove are debian packages. |
| 22:55.03 | elkingrey | I'd like the same to be for Wordpress plugins, but that doesn't seem to exist. |
| 22:55.20 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 22:55.41 | Azrael_- | is there a guide how to get phpmyadmin to work with php-fcgi? |
| 22:56.00 | elkingrey | Somebody over at #Wordpress assured me, however, that all plugins brought up in a search through the Wordpress admin, queries Wordpress.org, which means that are all free software plugins. |
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| 22:56.10 | centrx | PHP Is an abomination and a scourge on the face of the earth. |
| 22:56.23 | changeguy | is there a reason that only root can connect to the network, and only root can access mounts? |
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| 22:56.54 | centrx | elkingrey, Few Wordpress plugins appear to be packaged in the Debian repository |
| 22:57.08 | centrx | changeguy, Security |
| 22:57.22 | centrx | changeguy, other users can usually connect to the network, though |
| 22:57.34 | maxv | ## |
| 22:57.34 | maxv | ## pbrisbin's irssi theme. |
| 22:57.34 | maxv | ## |
| 22:57.34 | maxv | default_color = "-1"; |
| 22:57.34 | maxv | info_eol = "false"; |
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| 22:57.40 | changeguy | centrx: is there a way to fix this so that my user has access to the network? |
| 22:57.48 | elkingrey | centrix: How so? I've searched the Debian repo and don't see any of the plugins I'm running. The only one is akismet. |
| 22:58.00 | centrx | elkingrey, Yes, very few |
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| 22:58.37 | centrx | changeguy, Why can't the user connect? |
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| 22:59.08 | changeguy | I don't know why. When I su into the user it just gives unknown host |
| 22:59.15 | changeguy | when I try to ping, but as root it works |
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| 23:00.19 | centrx | changeguy, Is the user able to ping an IP address instead of a DNS name? |
| 23:00.27 | changeguy | centrx: ok, I tried to ping the IP address and I get |
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| 23:00.41 | changeguy | socket: Premission denied |
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| 23:02.29 | themill | changeguy: ping should be suid root -- is it not inside your chroot perhaps? |
| 23:02.55 | changeguy | themill: I mean, I can ping using root just fine from inside the chroot if thats what your asking |
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| 23:03.49 | themill | no, that's not what I'm asking. What's "ls -l /bin/ping" |
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| 23:06.44 | changeguy | themill: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 34984 Oct 14 2010 /bin/ping |
| 23:08.18 | changeguy | any ideas? |
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| 23:11.54 | [olli] | re all |
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| 23:12.46 | [olli] | I'm something about offtopic, but for people having recent laptop and using Windows in dual boot mode this should be actual: http://grey-olli.livejournal.com/831134.html . |
| 23:12.55 | [olli] | Sorry for offtopic. |
| 23:13.05 | Brigo | my ls /bin/ping is: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 44080 feb 1 22:18 /bin/ping, and i can ping from any user. |
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| 23:13.59 | themill | changeguy: looks fine -- you said this was a chroot on another system. Is that external chroot enforcing some sort of security policy? Or is the partition mounted nosuid? |
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| 23:22.31 | changeguy | themill: its a chroot on the same system. They are both using the same hardware. My other question was for a different box |
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| 23:22.53 | changeguy | themill: How can I tell if its mounted no suid? |
| 23:23.05 | themill | "mount" |
| 23:23.09 | changeguy | themill: I use a script to mount it, I'd have to look in to it |
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| 23:24.27 | changeguy | themill: is that the command I need to see what flags it uses? |
| 23:24.30 | changeguy | in the script |
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| 23:25.10 | themill | it's already mounted though -- just run "mount" now |
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| 23:26.57 | changeguy | so just run mount? |
| 23:26.58 | changeguy | thats it |
| 23:27.12 | changeguy | run mount as a user or root? |
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| 23:27.51 | changeguy | themill: you want me to run it as a user or root, and on the chroot or on the normal filesystem? Should I paste the output to paste.debian.org? |
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| 23:51.11 | changeguy | themill: I tried chmod +s /bin/ping and still not working |
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| 23:53.13 | changeguy | any idea? do I need to change premissions for the user to be able to access sockets? |
| 23:53.20 | changeguy | themill: and how would I do so? |
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