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| 00:23.00 | themill | changeguy: does the output of "mount" have "nosuid" in it? |
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| 00:28.38 | daswort | the website link in DPTS for gnome-do is outdated. Where is the right place to inform somebody about that? |
| 00:29.52 | themill | ,bug 738195 |
| 00:29.55 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/738195 in gnome-do (open): «gnome-do: Changed location of homepage»; severity: minor; opened: 2014-02-08; last modified: 2014-02-08. |
| 00:29.57 | themill | daswort: ^^ already reported |
| 00:30.31 | changeguy | themill: you want me to run "mount" as root or user? |
| 00:31.15 | daswort | good to know. thanks themill |
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| 00:31.47 | themill | changeguy: does it make a difference? |
| 00:31.54 | changeguy | no |
| 00:32.36 | changeguy | themill: run it in the chroot system or the host? |
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| 00:32.57 | themill | outside generally makes easier-to-read output |
| 00:33.02 | themill | (but it doesn't really matter) |
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| 00:36.12 | changeguy | themill: It produce a large output when I run it on the host |
| 00:36.15 | changeguy | ill use paste |
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| 00:37.04 | changeguy | themill: http://paste.debian.net/82448/ |
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| 00:41.06 | crowdCtrl | hello, im newb debian user with few questions: what are good practises in basic configuration of fresh desktop installation, some security tips maybe? can you recommend good firewall/gui frontend for iptables? is it good idea to delete java if i wont use it and care about security? |
| 00:41.27 | changeguy | themill: alot going on there huh |
| 00:42.37 | centrx | crowdCtrl, Minimizing surface area (e.g. Java) is good security practice. |
| 00:44.37 | themill | changeguy: and where is this chroot located on those filesystems? |
| 00:44.56 | themill | changeguy: it looks like it's on the sd card? |
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| 00:45.17 | changeguy | themill: yes its on /mnt/sdcard-ext |
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| 00:46.42 | themill | changeguy: is that really a vfat filesystem there? |
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| 00:48.10 | changeguy | themill: yea i think so |
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| 00:49.38 | themill | changeguy: that'll do it to you. You can't use legacy filesystems like that |
| 00:50.07 | changeguy | themill: thats preventing me from using the internet as a regular user?? |
| 00:50.22 | themill | no, it's preventing you from using ping as a regular user |
| 00:50.31 | changeguy | I have to have it set up like that, or at least thats what the webtop-sdcard setup has |
| 00:51.03 | changeguy | themill: ok, so why can I use it as a root user? and its not just ping, firefox dosen't work etc under a regular user |
| 00:51.24 | themill | I have no idea what webtop-sdcard is, but there is no need to use vfat for the filesystem on an sdcard |
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| 00:51.56 | changeguy | what filesystem should I used then? |
| 00:52.21 | changeguy | I thought it was ms32, or whatever one is below ntfs |
| 00:52.21 | themill | firefox typically wants to create sockets and lock files that cannot be done on vfat either |
| 00:52.42 | changeguy | why can a root user do it though? i dont understand that |
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| 00:52.56 | themill | If you want to run linux, then use a unix-like filesystem. The default choice of ext4 would make sense. |
| 00:53.12 | themill | ping needs to do things that only root can normally do, that's why it's normally suid root |
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| 00:53.58 | changeguy | is there a program I can run to test internet connective as a user then? |
| 00:54.21 | changeguy | whats the difference between running internet apps as a user or root, if the problem is the underlying file system |
| 00:54.23 | themill | wget, links, lynx, w3m |
| 00:54.52 | changeguy | ok ill try lynx |
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| 00:58.01 | changeguy | themill: lynx dosent work either |
| 00:58.04 | changeguy | but it does as root |
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| 00:58.43 | changeguy | themill: you dont think its some kinda security setting? |
| 00:58.54 | changeguy | themill: remeber, i'm using squeeze |
| 00:59.21 | themill | We'll probably eventually find that /etc/nsswitch.conf or /etc/hosts or something is not readable by your user. I'm not really willing to spend more time investigating why running on vfat doesn't work. |
| 00:59.50 | changeguy | okay then. thanks |
| 01:00.30 | changeguy | because its actually an image im mounting to chroot, I could reformat the card and just plop the image back into the new ext4 fs right |
| 01:01.18 | themill | I'm not sure what you really mean by that |
| 01:01.48 | changeguy | i can just copy the image to a tmp directy, partition the card to use ext4 and recopy it back is what im saying |
| 01:01.51 | changeguy | right? |
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| 01:03.43 | themill | So the chroot isn't /mnt/sdcard-ext? |
| 01:04.11 | changeguy | its an image. stored in that directory |
| 01:05.13 | changeguy | formatted as "linux" under system |
| 01:05.22 | changeguy | in fdisk -l |
| 01:05.24 | themill | is that this one: /dev/block/loop50 on /osh/opt/WebTopMOD/root type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=continue,data=ordered) |
| 01:05.40 | changeguy | themill: no, that is actually the "host" system |
| 01:05.48 | themill | feels like he's stuck in some horrific reality tv slow reveal here |
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| 01:07.49 | changeguy | its a linux image with ext3 or 4. it is just stored on a fat32 sdcard |
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| 01:08.16 | changeguy | themill: does that explain? the filesystem of the image is the correct version |
| 01:08.25 | jimmybrite | Yesterday after an update my wallapaper became white and I can't change it anymore on gnome3/sid, anyone else have that issue? If I right click on the desktop and choose "change desktop background" the settings windows opens then closes immediately. |
| 01:09.04 | changeguy | the /mnt/tmp is just from inside the chroot, I mount the SD card to have access to files I import form the host (jaunty) system |
| 01:09.31 | changeguy | themill: so the problem is probally like you mentioned, a file that a user dosen't have read/write access to |
| 01:09.31 | themill | but you just said it was squeeze... |
| 01:10.11 | changeguy | themill: Here is the setup: I'm running Jaunty, thats what I boot into. Then I chroot into an image contating Squeeze |
| 01:10.15 | themill | You have a chroot inside a loopback mount of an image on a card inside a guest system running on some other random host. Or something. |
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| 01:10.49 | changeguy | the /osh is also on the scard |
| 01:10.59 | changeguy | but that is my jaunty |
| 01:11.17 | themill | I have no idea what you're actually chrooting into. |
| 01:11.18 | changeguy | the jaunty then loads a chroot of squeeze. thats where my users cant access the network, but root can |
| 01:11.25 | changeguy | I'm chrooting into debian squeeze |
| 01:11.32 | themill | on the filesystem |
| 01:12.25 | changeguy | its a file /mnt/sdcard-ext/WebTopMOD/linuxdisk |
| 01:12.32 | changeguy | that contains my squeeze filesystem |
| 01:13.23 | themill | so you loopback mount that somewhere? and then chroot into that mount? |
| 01:13.37 | changeguy | exactly |
| 01:13.43 | themill | where is it mounted? |
| 01:16.15 | changeguy | themill: im not sure, its all done automaticlly with a script |
| 01:16.18 | changeguy | themill: ill have to see |
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| 01:18.19 | changeguy | themill: /mnt/sdcard-ext/WebTopMOD |
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| 01:18.30 | changeguy | whops |
| 01:18.31 | changeguy | i eman |
| 01:18.43 | changeguy | themill: /osh/opt/WebTopMOD/root |
| 01:19.02 | changeguy | its an ext3 image btw |
| 01:19.10 | themill | [12:05] <changeguy> themill: no, that is actually the "host" system |
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| 01:19.54 | changeguy | themill: thats where its mounted to |
| 01:20.04 | changeguy | the /osh also contains my webtop filesystem |
| 01:20.05 | changeguy | sorry |
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| 01:22.04 | changeguy | make scene? |
| 01:22.06 | changeguy | since |
| 01:22.45 | changeguy | so you realize how its set up right? we shold be able to countine troubleshooting cause its a normal ext3 image |
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| 01:39.26 | gnugnu5 | So is pinning a good idea? Or better holding the package (aka titanic)? |
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| 01:39.46 | gnugnu5 | Pinning would be easier to me as the SCM (puppet) makes it easy. But I heard pinning is quite evil. |
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| 01:45.39 | tosmo | what can cause df reporting a full disk while du -s reports 100GB less? it's not deleted files. i also moved several GB to an external drive, and shortly after df reported 100% usage again. any hints? |
| 01:45.52 | tosmo | ext4 filesystem on dm-crypt on ssd |
| 01:46.04 | tosmo | current debian sid |
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| 01:53.34 | qman__ | tosmo: that can sometimes be caused by filesystem corruption, try running fsck |
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| 02:07.06 | iceisfun | can someone help me with a port forwarding issue? debian 7 http://pastebin.com/GVn34WQL |
| 02:07.44 | iceisfun | it seems to work from hosts inside my static subnet mapping to the 192 network but any host on the outside can't get to it |
| 02:07.51 | iceisfun | i can see packets on tcpdump coming in |
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| 02:09.26 | Brigo | iceisfun: are there more rules on the firewall? |
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| 02:10.52 | iceisfun | Brigo: full script http://pastebin.com/EBfyxey6 |
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| 02:11.04 | iceisfun | its doing NAT to a OpenVPN link\ |
| 02:12.07 | gnugnu5 | A NAT can be tricked: STUN |
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| 02:13.36 | tosmo | fyi. reboot solved it. still no idea what the issue was (the output of "lsof | grep deleted" was unsuscpicious) |
| 02:14.37 | Brigo | iceisfun: sorry, but i cant see why, may be a routing problem .... |
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| 02:26.07 | crowdCtrl | how your sources.list look like? default is enough for everyday (newb) user? i appended iceweasel repo and looking for more |
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| 02:27.12 | jimmybrite | Hey guys after an update my wallpaper is suddenly blank in gnome3/sid, except when I click on applications, gnome-control-centre works but when I click on background it closes gnome-control-centre and doesn't open the background menu |
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| 02:28.30 | nixfox | Yo |
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| 02:29.47 | FuuqUmiist | maybe try the official help channel #debian on the irc.OFTC.net sometimes they are more friendly and helpful |
| 02:29.57 | rudi95 | hi. is there a command to download all packages that are currently installed again and reinstall them? |
| 02:30.05 | ctmjr | !tell jimmybrite about debian-next |
| 02:30.18 | nixfox | rudi95, you mean like apt-get upgrade |
| 02:30.19 | nixfox | xD |
| 02:30.26 | jimmybrite | ctmjr, yeah I forgot, facepalm. |
| 02:30.39 | jimmybrite | invite only tho |
| 02:30.51 | rudi95 | nixfox that only upgrades old packages |
| 02:31.04 | centrx | rudi95, What is the reason for this? |
| 02:31.15 | jimmybrite | oh nvm, different server... |
| 02:31.21 | rudi95 | centrx my file system had errors and some files got corrupted |
| 02:31.27 | ctmjr | yep irc.oftc.net |
| 02:31.28 | rudi95 | but i don't know which ones |
| 02:31.29 | nixfox | yeah.. what exactly do you want then? |
| 02:31.38 | rudi95 | so i just want to install all packages again |
| 02:31.44 | rudi95 | with clean files |
| 02:31.48 | centrx | rudi95, Have you fixed the drive/filesystem? |
| 02:31.55 | rudi95 | yes |
| 02:32.05 | rudi95 | i copied everything to a new harddisk |
| 02:32.49 | nixfox | sudo dpkg --get-selections > installed-applications.txt |
| 02:32.57 | nixfox | that will create a list |
| 02:33.02 | nixfox | of all installed applications |
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| 02:33.26 | nixfox | then you can --set-selections from that file |
| 02:33.51 | rudi95 | thanks |
| 02:33.52 | nixfox | then all you need to do is apt-get update |
| 02:34.05 | rudi95 | nice :) |
| 02:34.10 | nixfox | and apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 02:34.15 | nixfox | should fix it |
| 02:34.24 | rudi95 | thanks a lot! |
| 02:34.29 | nixfox | welcome rudi95 |
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| 02:35.38 | nixfox | hmm that process could be automated, might wanna submit a suggestion under bugs for apt |
| 02:36.06 | nixfox | seems like a neat thing to add to a package manager |
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| 02:37.07 | nixfox | see ya Brigo |
| 02:37.57 | rudi95 | nixfox okay |
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| 02:40.02 | rudi95 | hm. what's the right syntax for --set-selections? can i just use <installed-applications.txt? because that doesn't seem to do it |
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| 02:41.42 | nixfox | sudo dpkg --get-selections > installed-applications.txt |
| 02:41.57 | themill | (sudo not required) |
| 02:42.08 | nixfox | but recommended. |
| 02:42.13 | themill | eh? |
| 02:42.15 | rudi95 | but then dpkg --set-selections < installed-applications.txt ? |
| 02:42.31 | nixfox | wrong |
| 02:42.47 | nixfox | your stream needs to be pointing towards the file |
| 02:43.01 | nixfox | otherwise it tried to pipe from the file into your function |
| 02:43.17 | nixfox | so dpkg --get-selections > installed-applications.txt |
| 02:43.18 | rudi95 | but you said that after using --get-selections, i should use --set-selections from that file |
| 02:43.27 | nixfox | oh to pipe in |
| 02:43.32 | nixfox | set selection... right |
| 02:43.34 | nixfox | sorry |
| 02:43.35 | nixfox | my bad |
| 02:43.37 | rudi95 | np :) |
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| 02:43.45 | Venezuela | hi |
| 02:43.49 | nixfox | sudo dpkg --set-selections < installed-applications.txt |
| 02:43.55 | nixfox | and then do an apt-get update |
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| 02:44.00 | rudi95 | i tried to pipe the file to --set-selections, but apt-get dselect-upgrade did nothing |
| 02:44.21 | nixfox | sure I'll be glad to help you |
| 02:44.45 | rudi95 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 02:45.13 | nixfox | sudo apt-get -y update |
| 02:45.16 | nixfox | sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade |
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| 02:46.01 | rudi95 | still no upgrading :| |
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| 02:46.43 | rudi95 | maybe i need to change the "installed" status in the installed-applications.txt file to something else before piping it to --set-selections? |
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| 02:46.51 | nixfox | naah |
| 02:46.55 | nixfox | that's just the text file |
| 02:46.57 | nixfox | name |
| 02:47.20 | nixfox | sudo dpkg --set-selections < installed-applications.txt yes? |
| 02:47.26 | napper2 | anyone have an opinion on headless key rings? I want to store credentials on a salt-master |
| 02:47.36 | rudi95 | no i mean if you look at the file, it contains lines like "acl install" |
| 02:47.39 | rudi95 | nixfox yes |
| 02:47.46 | nixfox | strange |
| 02:48.29 | themill | rudi95: what are you actually trying to do here? are you running --get-selections and --set-selections on the same machine? |
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| 02:48.44 | rudi95 | themill trying to reinstall all packages |
| 02:49.08 | rudi95 | to fix corrupted files |
| 02:49.19 | themill | Running --get-selections and --set-selections on the same machine won't cause apt to do anything -- there's no changes. |
| 02:49.24 | themill | rudi95: do you have debsums installed? |
| 02:49.58 | rudi95 | nope |
| 02:50.11 | themill | dpkg: tell rudi95 about debsums |
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| 02:50.25 | rudi95 | thanks, i'll check it out :) |
| 02:50.33 | themill | rudi95: getting debsums to check over all your files as dpkg just told you is probably the best way. It can give you a list of packages you can then reinstall. |
| 02:51.04 | themill | rudi95: note that missing files in /etc (or even altered files in /etc) aren't going to be replaced by dpkg as they will be handled differently |
| 02:51.50 | rudi95 | ok i see |
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| 02:53.19 | nixfox | aaah on the same machine, I though you're reinstalling debian somewhere else. |
| 02:53.39 | nixfox | anyhow I should head to bed. |
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| 02:54.08 | rudi95 | nixfox no, i just copied the whole thing and want to fix the corrupted files. but thanks anyway! (both of you) |
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| 02:55.56 | nixfox | aaah, right |
| 02:55.57 | nixfox | okay |
| 02:55.58 | nixfox | night |
| 02:56.04 | nixfox | that makes sense. |
| 02:56.19 | rudi95 | night |
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| 03:22.02 | crowdCtrl | in simple words, what is role of rpcbind and can i delete it? |
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| 03:34.47 | centrx | crowdCtrl, It's not on my machine, do you know why you have it? |
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| 03:37.06 | centrx | crowdCtrl, RPC is Remote Procedure Call, it allows processes to call functions in other processes, but I doubt it is used much nowadays |
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| 03:38.47 | crowdCtrl | centrx: no help needed about it anymore, still thank you for input. it was preinstalled in my wheezy and kept port 111 open so i uninstalled it. |
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| 03:50.24 | adh0c | I've fscked up and removed o+rwx permissions from /etc recursively. |
| 03:50.34 | adh0c | Anyone recommend how to restore those to a semi-functional state? |
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| 03:51.15 | adh0c | My non-privileged user, for example, now cannot see their username when looking at files. |
| 03:51.38 | adh0c | Trying to ssh/scp any file in/out of the machine keeps giving me a permission denied error, saying I can't read /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 03:51.52 | adh0c | Even after temporarily setting that file to 0777. |
| 03:52.21 | centrx | Recursively add o+r and then remove it from a select few files that shouldn't have it |
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| 03:53.31 | adh0c | "bash: /etc/bash.bashrc: Permission denied" \n "unknown user 1001" is the exact message from the local client when trying to pull a file from the fscked machine |
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| 03:54.11 | JimX | Anyone knows a utility tool which can restore .mtf files? Or can anyone take a look here http://pastie.org/8740799 and tell me what the problem is? thank you |
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| 03:54.34 | adh0c | centrix: which files in general will still require o+r? |
| 03:54.40 | adh0c | er, will not |
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| 03:56.18 | crowdCtrl | Does setting up backup routine on debian is windows equivalent of 'restore to previous state' utility? |
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| 03:56.41 | centrx | adh0c, shadow and gshadow are the big ones |
| 03:57.07 | adh0c | centrx: cool - after recursively adding o+r, though, I'm still getting the same error. |
| 03:57.46 | adh0c | It authenticates fine, but after sending the scp command it still ends with "unknown user 1001" |
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| 03:59.53 | centrx | adh0c, Sounds like something else is wrong then |
| 04:00.22 | adh0c | Also, my nonprivileged user still only sees a UID and not the username when ls'ing its own files. |
| 04:00.30 | adh0c | Hm, probably. |
| 04:00.56 | centrx | You may need to login again |
| 04:01.52 | adh0c | Ah, upon logging in again I see: |
| 04:01.55 | adh0c | "-bash: /etc/profile: Permission denied \n getpwuid() can't identify your account!" |
| 04:02.12 | adh0c | And my prompt looks like: |
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| 04:02.21 | adh0c | "I have no name!@servername:~$ " |
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| 04:02.56 | adh0c | /etc/profile has 744 perms though. |
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| 04:05.43 | centrx | adh0c, Maybe you removed a+rwx from all files? |
| 04:07.00 | adh0c | No, historyA |
| 04:07.02 | adh0c | Er |
| 04:07.04 | adh0c | Hmmm |
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| 04:07.23 | adh0c | History shows the original command was actually: |
| 04:07.30 | adh0c | "chmod o-rwx -R /etc" |
| 04:07.38 | adh0c | Perhaps the problem is with the lack of a trailing slash... |
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| 04:08.29 | adh0c | Nope. |
| 04:08.31 | adh0c | Grrr |
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| 04:14.48 | adh0c | Well, looks like I'm rebuilding this machine tonight. |
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| 04:17.34 | adh0c | Aha |
| 04:17.46 | adh0c | 755 on /etc seems to have sorted it |
| 04:18.08 | adh0c | Yep. |
| 04:18.22 | adh0c | Now, I just pray if I have to reboot this thing that everything else will come back up... |
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| 04:20.29 | adh0c | thanks for the late-night advice centrx |
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| 04:26.30 | centrx | Debian |
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| 04:52.01 | hanasaki | what is the recommended program for gui based management of the wifi interface? |
| 04:52.20 | centrx | I use wicd |
| 04:52.26 | centrx | NetworkManager is another popular one |
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| 04:55.27 | hanasaki | have wicd - do not see how to get it to obtain an IP |
| 04:56.15 | centrx | What do you see? |
| 04:56.36 | hanasaki | connnected to wired network |
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| 04:58.02 | hanasaki | wlan interface - not connected |
| 04:58.29 | centrx | Do you see any wireless networks listed? |
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| 04:58.38 | hanasaki | where? |
| 04:58.46 | centrx | In wcid |
| 04:59.18 | hanasaki | no wireless networks found |
| 04:59.27 | hanasaki | networkmanager in kde shows it though |
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| 05:00.16 | centrx | Is it a hidden network perhaps? |
| 05:00.22 | hanasaki | centrx: nope |
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| 05:00.31 | centrx | Click on Network and "Find a hidden network" |
| 05:00.55 | hanasaki | nothing.. .no wireless networks found |
| 05:01.11 | Rusty1 | hanasaki: if kde network manager sees wireless networks, why not use it? |
| 05:01.11 | hanasaki | typed in the network name... nothing happened |
| 05:02.11 | themill | having both wicd and n-m trying to do things at the same time is a recipe for a mess |
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| 05:03.00 | hanasaki | themill I uninstalled wicd and could not get network manager to work... |
| 05:03.13 | hanasaki | in network manager... how do you bring the wlan0 up and get an ip? |
| 05:03.27 | themill | hanasaki: does your wireless device need firmware? have you installed it? |
| 05:04.18 | hanasaki | broadcom-sta-dkms yes |
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| 05:05.12 | Rusty1 | which broadcom chipset? |
| 05:05.45 | hanasaki | 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03) |
| 05:05.51 | themill | !BCM4352 |
| 05:06.06 | themill | kicks dpkg |
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| 05:07.20 | themill | I know of no module that supports that device |
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| 05:08.15 | hanasaki | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=107856 |
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| 05:09.42 | themill | yeah, well that doesn't look promising |
| 05:09.54 | hanasaki | why |
| 05:10.36 | themill | which bit of that is promising? All I can see there is that the module doesn't build and the information about that module says that it doesn't support that chip anyway. |
| 05:10.59 | hanasaki | I did get it to build and install from testing |
| 05:11.05 | themill | (fairly typical broadcom mess) |
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| 05:12.26 | themill | can you pastebin the output of «modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcm80211 wl; modprobe wl; dmesg | tail -50» |
| 05:13.59 | hanasaki | just don't want to have to buy a new card.. this came with the mobo |
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| 05:14.06 | hanasaki | just don't want to have to buy a new card.. this came with the mobo |
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| 05:14.50 | hanasaki | FATAL: Module brcm80211 not found. |
| 05:14.54 | hanasaki | tail: option used in invalid context -- 5 |
| 05:15.15 | themill | meh |
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| 05:15.45 | themill | dmesg | tail -n50 (but you need to remove each of those modules and then reinsert wl) |
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| 05:17.27 | hanasaki | ok |
| 05:18.17 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.18 | hanasaki | [ 3245.235950] wlan0: Broadcom BCM43b1 802.11 Hybrid Wireless Controller 6.30.223.141 (r415941) |
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| 05:19.16 | themill | can you pastebin the output of "lspci -k" |
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| 05:20.04 | hanasaki | http://pastebin.com/yBnnEMCc |
| 05:20.26 | themill | well wl has at least claimed the device which is a good start |
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| 05:21.08 | themill | does "iwlist wlan0 scan" list your device? |
| 05:21.33 | hanasaki | no results |
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| 05:22.10 | themill | did you do that as root? |
| 05:22.21 | hanasaki | yes |
| 05:22.36 | themill | try again? |
| 05:22.41 | hanasaki | [ 3245.235950] wlan0: Broadcom BCM43b1 802.11 Hybrid Wireless Controller 6.30.223.141 (r415941) |
| 05:22.44 | hanasaki | did twice |
| 05:22.59 | themill | hmm |
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| 05:23.13 | hanasaki | takes about 5 sec to run |
| 05:23.42 | Rusty1 | does iwconfig show a wlan0 ? |
| 05:24.02 | Rusty1 | as root |
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| 05:29.41 | hanasaki | ifconfig shows the interface.. just no IP |
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| 05:30.32 | Rusty1 | try: dhclient wlan0 , or whatever the interface is |
| 05:30.55 | themill | well, it'll need to associate first |
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| 05:33.21 | hanasaki | should it mode infrastructure or adhoc? what's the diff? |
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| 05:34.16 | centrx | And...it's gone |
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| 05:35.37 | hanasaki | : <info> (wlan0): device state change: need-auth -> failed (reason 'no-secrets') |
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| 05:42.19 | hanasaki | keeps asking for the wifi password... I know its correct.. have a laptop connected fine on win |
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| 05:50.01 | MasterGberry | I just did a network install of debian, but couldn't get the network working during the install. i got it working now, how can I go and add the missing packages? |
| 05:50.53 | centrx | MasterGberry, "aptitude" is the standard package manager interface |
| 05:51.06 | centrx | MasterGberry, You can use this to install or upgrade software at any time |
| 05:51.45 | centrx | MasterGberry, You can also use "synaptic", which is a GUI interface, or "apt-get" which is a command-line tool |
| 05:51.59 | centrx | (or "dselect" which is the old standard package manager front-end) |
| 05:52.25 | MasterGberry | I was following a setup guide that wanted me to apt-get some packages, but it didn't find them |
| 05:52.30 | centrx | MasterGberry, You might be looking for "tasksel". That has the high-level collections of packages |
| 05:52.34 | MasterGberry | my guess is because the package manager isn't accessing the repo's properly? |
| 05:52.40 | centrx | MasterGberry, That is possible |
| 05:52.49 | centrx | MasterGberry, Do "apt-get update" |
| 05:53.02 | roger_rabbit | make sure you have the repo source in your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 05:53.11 | centrx | MasterGberry, That will update the list of packages the package manage knows about, assuming that the repos are set up correctly per roger_rabbit |
| 05:53.23 | roger_rabbit | nods |
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| 05:53.53 | hanasaki | what comand will convert ascii to hex? |
| 05:54.09 | roger_rabbit | see https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 05:54.34 | MasterGberry | trying to apt-get build esential (which I thought was kind of a basic package) and it cant seem to find |
| 05:54.44 | roger_rabbit | it's build-essential |
| 05:54.55 | MasterGberry | errr i typed wrong in irc |
| 05:54.57 | roger_rabbit | that '-' is forgive the pun.... essentil |
| 05:55.05 | roger_rabbit | s/essentil/essential/g |
| 05:55.42 | roger_rabbit | if you want to search for packages, use 'apt-cache search <your search term>' |
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| 05:56.18 | MasterGberry | "devscripts - scripts to make the life of Debian Package maintainer easier" :/ |
| 05:56.42 | roger_rabbit | build-essential is there |
| 05:56.47 | roger_rabbit | you should be able to install it |
| 05:57.37 | MasterGberry | package only avaialble from another soruce |
| 05:57.55 | MasterGberry | errr, got a good source i should put into /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 05:58.02 | MasterGberry | i just have the default ones atm |
| 05:58.27 | roger_rabbit | thedefault should contain it |
| 05:58.37 | roger_rabbit | perhaps you've made ome modifications? |
| 05:58.44 | roger_rabbit | *some |
| 05:58.59 | MasterGberry | just has security.debian in there |
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| 05:59.17 | zykotick9 | MasterGberry: did you have network when you installed? if not, that might explain why the real default mirror isn't included... |
| 05:59.35 | MasterGberry | no i didnt, i said that at the start :D |
| 06:00.00 | centrx | dpkg: tell MasterGberry about sources |
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| 06:00.22 | roger_rabbit | read the article on https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 06:00.23 | MasterGberry | ty |
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| 06:02.11 | MasterGberry | perfect, tyvm :) |
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| 06:03.51 | Okee | Does anyone know if the mouse cursor can be set to "copy" in xournal? I would like to copy something from a .xor form, and enter it elsewhere. |
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| 06:05.43 | themill | Okee: you can use the text tool to enter a text box and then copy the text |
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| 06:07.34 | themill | Okee: alternatively, the .xoj files are just gz-compressed xml so use zless or zcat or whatever on them to look inside and copy+paste the text out however you like. |
| 06:07.40 | Okee | themill>I am having trouble locating the text tool you are referring to. Is this under the "tools", in the upper menu? |
| 06:07.55 | themill | same tool you used to insert the text, yes |
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| 06:08.39 | Okee | themill> I must be doing somethign wrong. I am only getting a text input box. |
| 06:09.12 | themill | click on your existing text |
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| 06:31.56 | Okee | themill> So there is no way to copy and paste the text inside xournal? |
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| 06:40.02 | themill | Okee: how do you figure that? |
| 06:40.34 | makospityputy | Gnome network-manager apps options button is greyed out inactive. Im unable to set the dns address with static ip. so I have only net from wifi its setting is working but not the wired interface. |
| 06:40.35 | Okee | themill> I don't figure it; I just don't know how to do it. |
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| 06:40.59 | themill | Okee: so using the text tool and clicking on the text doesn't work? |
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| 06:41.12 | makospityputy | anyone? |
| 06:41.25 | Okee | themill> Not for me. The only thing it does is create an input box for entering text on a pdf. |
| 06:42.10 | themill | Okee: you have to click on a text box that already exists to be able to copy it... |
| 06:43.30 | Okee | themill> That I know. What I am looking for is the ability to copy existing text in the form that I didn't ad. You can do this with Foxit PDF reader/writer in windows. |
| 06:43.57 | themill | Okee: no, xournal doesn't do that. Use a PDF reader. |
| 06:45.11 | makospityputy | anyone, how to change wired connections dns address in gnome? |
| 06:45.35 | Okee | themill> What a shame. There are a lot of things I like about Xournal, and it is really bug free. OK. Thanks for letting me know. |
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| 06:50.47 | homecable | any one how any howtos for email server setup |
| 06:51.04 | SirLagz | homecable: google has lots. |
| 06:51.12 | SirLagz | homecable: have you tried following any of them ? |
| 06:51.47 | homecable | still installing debian on a pogoplug atm |
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| 06:52.35 | SirLagz | homecable: once you're done installing, have a google on how to setup postfix. There's plenty of tutorials on how to set that up as a mail server |
| 06:52.54 | homecable | postfix / webmail ? |
| 06:53.14 | SirLagz | homecable: do you want to have webmail ? |
| 06:53.48 | homecable | id like to just beable to connect to email server from my cell phone |
| 06:54.03 | SirLagz | homecable: you don't need webmail for that |
| 06:54.28 | SirLagz | homecable: you just need the right ports open so that your phone can connect to the mail server. |
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| 06:55.29 | homecable | ah ok im going to use this pogoplug for a email server its only a arm 800mhz 128mb ram |
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| 06:55.55 | SirLagz | homecable: cool. Once it's done then you can have a go at it :) |
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| 06:56.50 | homecable | got it for 10 bucks |
| 06:56.52 | homecable | :P |
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| 06:57.13 | SirLagz | homecable: nice and cheap |
| 06:57.38 | homecable | yeah usb to laptop harddrive |
| 06:57.49 | homecable | :P and not run from usb stick :P |
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| 06:58.02 | homecable | usb is mad slow |
| 06:58.14 | homecable | stick* |
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| 07:02.49 | homecable | if it works decent i will buy the others for 10 bucks each :P |
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| 07:03.36 | homecable | solor project :P |
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| 07:12.55 | cafuego | f/win 7 |
| 07:13.03 | cafuego | nice |
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| 08:00.23 | michael_greeves | is windows the best operating system or what? |
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| 08:06.15 | Dirkos | How come that my mail from the shell wont be sent: mail -s Test address@domain.com < /dev/null |
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| 08:06.26 | Dirkos | when i do it via PHP it works perfectly (standaard mail function) |
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| 08:11.36 | fandi | hi, why initramfs-grow-root not working in debian wheezy, should i configure some thing |
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| 08:13.15 | fandi | and i have been installed cloud-init in my deb box |
| 08:13.26 | holt_kessler | i have been running sid with experimental repo for 18 months or so without much issue however i notice that this systemd and kmod is beginning to creep in so is this thing to eventually usurp sysvinit at some future time? |
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| 08:13.34 | fandi | why this happer ? root@(none):~# whereis bin bin: /usr/local/bin |
| 08:13.41 | fandi | (none) |
| 08:13.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell holt_kessler -about systemd |
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| 08:15.43 | holt_kessler | damn for real? |
| 08:16.06 | babilen | holt_kessler: yes |
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| 08:17.27 | holt_kessler | that thing fucked up 3 different systems we were running over the last 2 years |
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| 08:17.51 | holt_kessler | namely arch boxes |
| 08:18.15 | holt_kessler | and now debian is gonna move to it? |
| 08:18.32 | babilen | holt_kessler: If you require help with anything in particular you should ask about that. This channel is a support channel and really not the place for rehashing the init system debate. Thank you for your consideration. |
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| 08:19.31 | holt_kessler | i didn't know there had been a debate on it already so excuse the heck outta me pal |
| 08:19.52 | jaami | where i can find lots of tt fonts in zip format? |
| 08:20.30 | jaami | zip format = any compressed format accepted by debian |
| 08:20.40 | babilen | holt_kessler: Sure, no problem. See https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/02/msg00005.html for the CTTE resolution and read the bug (well, don't) for further details. |
| 08:21.08 | jaami | babilen: THE nat |
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| 08:21.13 | holt_kessler | thank you -thats what i would like to read |
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| 08:21.50 | babilen | holt_kessler: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/ read that instead of the bug btw |
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| 08:22.02 | babilen | jaami: Pardon? |
| 08:22.08 | holt_kessler | nods |
| 08:22.34 | jaami | babilen: the NAT worked out of the box, i had firewall set to block all by default so that was the reason internet explorer was not working. but system tray icon still have yellow icon on network and sharing center of guest OS |
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| 08:23.12 | jaami | i dont worry about the yello icon because internet is working now on guest with NAT |
| 08:25.49 | jaami | can i use apt-get to download fonts? |
| 08:26.39 | babilen | jaami: Sure, run "aptitude search '~n^ttf-'" or "aptitude search '~n^fonts-'" for an overview |
| 08:26.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell jaami -about search |
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| 08:30.06 | jaami | babilen: is there way to get one package containing many fonts instead of downloading one by one? |
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| 08:30.34 | babilen | jaami: No, what do you need a font for? |
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| 08:31.25 | jaami | actually, my eyesight is weak so need a btter font code eclipse |
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| 08:32.38 | babilen | jaami: I am fairly happy with DejaVu Sans Mono these days fwiw and there are plenty of good websites discussing and giving examples of "programming" fonts. I'd try a few and then select the one you like best. |
| 08:32.42 | jaami | i cant tell exactly what tt font will be good so just thought there might be a package containing many fonts that i can install and then use the one that work for me |
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| 08:32.56 | jaami | oh ok |
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| 08:33.20 | jaami | thanks a lot |
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| 08:55.04 | Andy1978 | Is there a way to download a old debian image with kernel <2.6.16? I tried http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive but the jigdo for debian 3.0 or 4.0 fails because of missing files (404). I think those old versions were already removed |
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| 08:55.50 | visceral | Is it possible to figure out what 3rd-party repo (e.g. deb-multimedia, but can be any) an installed package came from if your sources.list got zeroed? |
| 08:56.03 | visceral | AIUI, you can only track it if you've got the repo line in sources.list |
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| 09:02.44 | jelly | Andy1978: debian 4 had 2.6.18; you'll probably want 3.1, and might have to fix the jigdo files manually somehow to point them to archive.debian.org |
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| 09:07.08 | Andy1978 | jelly: thank you. fixing the ligdo sounds like a lot of work. |
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| 09:08.02 | seekr | Looking for help making an ancient bit of software that's now in the Debian archives. |
| 09:08.06 | seekr | https://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/flip |
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| 09:08.28 | seekr | I'm surprised the makefile and install instructions haven't been updated. |
| 09:08.45 | seekr | options for making include sys_v, bsd, uport & ultrix. |
| 09:08.55 | seekr | what might be appropriate for a Linux system? |
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| 09:34.38 | jelly | Andy1978: so is using old debians for reasons unknown |
| 09:36.09 | Andy1978 | jelly: support for xfs version 1.0 was removed with kernel 2.6.16. But I have to read some data from an old image |
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| 09:37.03 | zamba | i want to remove X.. is there one package i can remove to get rid of everything? |
| 09:37.23 | zamba | all gnome packages, all X stuff.. and so on? |
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| 09:41.16 | jelly | zamba: read /msg dpkg remove x |
| 09:41.18 | SweetMuffin | zamba: "sudo aptitude" and than remove anything marked as installed in x11 section ? |
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| 10:31.26 | christinepea777 | what's the standard CLI app to convert audio file formats? |
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| 10:35.07 | joltcan | christinepea777: I seem to recall that there is a sox-command. But you could use libav or something as well, like avconv or whatever it is |
| 10:35.12 | joltcan | sorry for the vague answer |
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| 10:37.20 | ChrisH | christinepea777: sox can convert almost everything to anything |
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| 10:38.53 | christinepea777 | say okay thanks guys |
| 10:38.56 | christinepea777 | er heh |
| 10:38.58 | christinepea777 | say eah |
| 10:39.00 | christinepea777 | yeah |
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| 10:48.01 | Anuska | Hi, i have some problem with my kernel, i think i updated: uname -a give 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.6-2~bpo70+1 |
| 10:48.06 | Anuska | how i can rollback? |
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| 10:51.50 | Seb | Anuska: select the older one in grub when booting up ? |
| 10:52.09 | Anuska | no know how to put automatic |
| 10:52.13 | Anuska | in grub.conf |
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| 10:53.55 | Seb | Anuska: use "default saved" |
| 10:54.00 | Anuska | thanks |
| 10:54.02 | Seb | it'll remember your choice |
| 10:54.14 | Anuska | you right |
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| 10:55.00 | asker0 | ping |
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| 10:55.37 | grieg | hi, guys. Xarchiver when trying to open an archive from file manager gives an error: Can't open file "file:///home/grieg/Downloads/234.zip": No such file or directory. However if i open xarchiver first and then open an archieve through ctr+O it works. What can be done? (debian/testing, openbox, pcmanfm) |
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| 10:56.44 | Seb | grieg: can firefox open that same file:///... url ? |
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| 11:01.32 | grieg | Seb: yes. it opens it in xarchiever without errors |
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| 11:03.58 | grieg | through firefox address bar i mean |
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| 11:10.05 | jkll | hello. how can i skip grub on startup? |
| 11:10.53 | lord_rob | set the waiting time to 0 |
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| 11:21.40 | someguy | i have a newb question. but i'm a little stumped. i'm installing wheezy kde and it says there is a /dev/loop0 that is 3.69GiB aside from that it lists my hd and the flash drive my medium is on. what is the loop0? |
| 11:22.21 | someguy | this is fromt he installer where it asks me to select a a partition |
| 11:22.23 | jkll | how can i auto-login to standard debian? |
| 11:22.49 | jkll | i don't use X |
| 11:22.50 | frostschutz | someguy, losetup -a would tell you. if it's a live dvd, it could be the loop mounted iso data |
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| 11:24.29 | someguy | aahhhh ic |
| 11:24.48 | someguy | i appreciate it. feelin pretty dumb |
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| 11:32.50 | dell101 | hello |
| 11:33.02 | dell101 | does latest debian 7 allows gui way to install using "Encrypted LVM"?? |
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| 11:33.52 | bezaban | dell101: yep |
| 11:34.06 | dell101 | bezaban, GUI? |
| 11:34.30 | bezaban | dell101: yep, graphical user interface |
| 11:34.36 | dell101 | :-) |
| 11:34.39 | dell101 | Thanks. bezaban |
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| 11:49.39 | minager_ | Hi. I think I have gotten some bad updates lately and now dropbox just gets segfaults... the reason I suspect bad updates are the update log nf 3 days http://pastebin.com/5155RhhT anyone got any hints for me? :-) |
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| 12:00.47 | ChrisH | minager_: short hint: do not use dotdeb But from what a quick look showed this is more an issue with sudo config. retry as root and/or fix sudo |
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| 12:05.20 | minager_ | ChrisH: It is run by cron as root every day. there are sudo installed on the server, but not in the command |
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| 12:07.28 | minager_ | ChrisH: Any other tips? :-) |
| 12:07.51 | themill | minager_: PATH in cron doesn't contain sbin; blindly applying updates isn't always a great plan, but if you want to you might be better using something like cron-apt to do so |
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| 12:09.51 | minager_ | themill: thanks, but why does it get installed anyway like nothing is wrong? and now something is broken |
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| 12:10.22 | themill | it doesn't get installed |
| 12:10.23 | minager_ | themill: and is there a way to "reinstall" those packages manually? |
| 12:10.31 | themill | apt-get -f install |
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| 12:10.56 | minager_ | themill: it must be, cause it's not available as an update anymore... or am I wrong? |
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| 12:11.15 | nixfox | that will force the installation of the package and all dependancies, not advisable to use it a lot. |
| 12:11.51 | themill | nixfox: eh? |
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| 12:12.08 | themill | minager_: perhaps you could pastebin the output of 'apt-get -f install' |
| 12:12.11 | minager_ | in the paste I have 3 following days: error, error and no more available. the command run is apt-get update && apt-get safe-upgrade |
| 12:12.33 | themill | do you mean 'aptitude' not 'apt-get'? |
| 12:12.43 | minager_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 12:12.56 | minager_ | no apt-get |
| 12:13.10 | themill | E: Invalid operation safe-upgrade |
| 12:13.34 | nixfox | apt-get -f install will install missing dependencies if any exist, not advisable at all times, themill |
| 12:13.58 | themill | nixfox: umm... no. You should never have missing dependencies. |
| 12:13.59 | minager_ | I am very sorry, my memory is bad. correct command is "/usr/bin/apt-get update && /usr/bin/apt-get -V -y dist-upgrade" |
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| 12:14.20 | nixfox | yes |
| 12:14.31 | nixfox | and you should have your sources.list list the right repos |
| 12:14.43 | themill | minager_: any invocation of 'aptitude install' or 'apt-get -f install' in the days between would have resulted in fixing those partly installed packages |
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| 12:15.11 | themill | minager_: you can use 'apt-cache policy $package' to verify that the package has indeed been installed |
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| 12:15.18 | themill | (or upgraded) |
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| 12:15.42 | nixfox | anyhow, morning everybody. |
| 12:15.47 | minager_ | themill: this is the only times its been invoked |
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| 12:16.16 | minager_ | themill: for every package? |
| 12:16.29 | themill | minager_: pick any of those ones you're worried about |
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| 12:19.17 | nixfox | how is everyone |
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| 12:20.03 | thingamabob | nixfox maybe try #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:20.47 | neglesaks | were good. only limited diarrhera after the coffee intake. |
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| 12:20.53 | neglesaks | and yes offtopic is the place to be |
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| 12:23.34 | nixfox | thanks thingamabob and neglesaks I'll join it for idle chatter but remain here for support. |
| 12:24.06 | neglesaks | very good sir. |
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| 12:30.19 | minager_ | themill: they all look good to me. but my dropbox just says "Segmentation fault" :-( |
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| 12:33.34 | themill | minager_: last time I looked, dropbox bundled copies of all the libraries they used in their hideous download |
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| 13:03.54 | d3lxa | why do I have so many deps for mutt, like libdrm-* and libwayland*, is it better in stable? |
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| 13:06.50 | themill | d3lxa: I can't find any such dependencies. Perhaps you could pastebin the full output |
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| 13:10.25 | d3lxa | themill: I would like to copy/paste aptitude UI but there I've the mouse… mh |
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| 13:11.04 | d3lxa | themill: I have mutt -> libgpgme1 -> gnupg2 -> … dbus |
| 13:11.13 | Andy1978 | any chance to find a debian live iso with kernel < 2.6.16? |
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| 13:11.42 | Andy1978 | I tried the archive but had no luckfinding old images |
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| 13:12.01 | d3lxa | themill: and mutt -> libgpgme1 -> gnupg2 -> gnupg -> pinentry -> … libwayland-client (dependence) |
| 13:13.07 | themill | d3lxa: there's a curses version of pinentry |
| 13:14.14 | Dirkos | How come that this wont work: mail -s "subject" name@mydomain.tld |
| 13:14.25 | Dirkos | if i do this via PHP on my machine, which points to localhost it works normally? |
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| 13:15.46 | Walex | Dirkos: your question is vague and underexplained... |
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| 13:16.10 | Walex | Andy1978: you can probably use 'jigdo' to build one. |
| 13:16.12 | grimeton | /etc/sysctl.conf is ignored lately? |
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| 13:17.08 | d3lxa | themill: ok! here we go, can you specify priority for curses or to avoid installing graphics things? blacklisting of packages? |
| 13:17.20 | themill | d3lxa: just install the curses version first |
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| 13:18.18 | Andy1978 | Walex: I tried that but the old packages are missing. So I would have to patch the jigdo to point to debian archive and recreate the checksums |
| 13:18.44 | grimeton | looks like /etc/sysctl.conf is ignored on boot |
| 13:18.55 | d3lxa | themill: yeah that will do it for now, but I would prefer a permanent solution |
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| 13:19.25 | themill | d3lxa: that *is* the solution to choosing between a set of different dependencies |
| 13:19.44 | d3lxa | themill: but then if I mark it auto, the whole old deps try creep again |
| 13:19.52 | Dirkos | Walex when i send mail using sendmail on localhost, my mail is sent |
| 13:20.00 | themill | d3lxa: how do you figure that? |
| 13:20.12 | Dirkos | when i try to send it via the shell using mail -s "foobar" name@mydomain.tld there is no mail in that box? Where do i look? |
| 13:20.20 | d3lxa | themill: I '+' pinentry-curses, then marked it auto |
| 13:20.34 | Dirkos | im using an external mailserver and updated the /etc/exim4/passwd.client |
| 13:20.39 | themill | d3lxa: that doesn't mean apt is suddenly going to replace it |
| 13:21.14 | d3lxa | I don't know, it seems pinentry-curses is maked auto and it works :S mh |
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| 13:21.43 | themill | grimeton: do you have procps installed? |
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| 13:32.40 | grimeton | themill: yes |
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| 13:38.06 | htop | hello. i have a thinkpad x200t (tablet version). The touchscreen works, but whenever i put it into tablet mode (close the lid but the screen is on the opposite, just like a normal tablet), the touch screen is not working anymore. |
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| 13:38.34 | htop | when i open it again, as normal notebook, touchscreen works again. |
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| 13:41.45 | codepython7771 | how can i run something at shutdown? opposite of rc.local? |
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| 13:43.29 | horsik | codepython7771: /etc/rc6.d/whatever.sh |
| 13:44.11 | codepython7771 | horsik: is reboot = shutdown? |
| 13:44.32 | horsik | codepython7771: then rc0 |
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| 13:44.51 | Walex | Dirkos: it depends a bit on which program is actually 'mail'. Some cannot send mail non-locally. |
| 13:45.04 | codepython7771 | horsik: when is the rc0 code run? Is it after killing all the processes? |
| 13:45.29 | horsik | i don't know, check man pages |
| 13:45.32 | Walex | Dirkos: the first thing is to check that your local 'sendmail' config is actually working, e.g. sending to a 'smarthost'. |
| 13:45.53 | Walex | Dirkos: the first check anyhow is to look carefully at '/var/log/mail.log' |
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| 13:46.59 | horsik | codepython7771: /etc/rc0.d/K02sendsigs |
| 13:47.44 | Walex | Dirkos: the second is to look at which command line mail sending program is actually 'mail'. |
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| 13:48.28 | codepython7771 | horsik: does it make more sense to use supervisord or upstart? |
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| 13:59.05 | dpkg | guest60251: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 14:00.04 | dpkg | guest60251: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 14:00.04 | themill | Guest60251: wrong channel, wrong network, wrong idea. |
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| 14:01.32 | pupil | http://www.stealmycode.com/easyoc |
| 14:01.50 | pupil | ooops, sorry wrong channel |
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| 14:16.26 | neo1691 | Anybody here with nvidia graphics card? I installed the nvidia graphics card and since my card had optimus technology, instead of making Xorg configuration file, I installed bumblebee-nvidia package. However it seems that the nvidia driver is not in use. I am not able to troubleshoot it. Any help? |
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| 14:19.04 | quibner | what filesystem is recommended nowadays for HDDS and what for SSDs? ext4? btrfs? ??? |
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| 14:31.33 | pav5088 | themill_, I suspect my problem may be related to the deb being compiled against GnuTLS as well as openssl... I think if it was just openssl (the code only uses openssl variables) I believe it has a chance of working. |
| 14:32.31 | pav5088 | If I download the source to a package and didn't want to include GnuTLS support, but instead only have openssl support... what file/s would I need to edit? :-/ |
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| 14:33.17 | petn-randall | quibner: ext4 for both. |
| 14:33.48 | petn-randall | quibner: Oh, I see you already asked on the other Debian channel. |
| 14:34.07 | quibner | petn-randall: thanks anyway :-) |
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| 14:38.59 | Pascal_1 | hello |
| 14:40.05 | Pascal_1 | i've got some problem since last update (i'm not sure if it's the last update or because i installed xdg-users-dir), but since i cant display wallpaper on desktop. Does somebody could help me ? |
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| 14:40.57 | Pascal_1 | i uninstall xdg-user-dirs and remove the "Bureau" directory login again but same problem |
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| 14:42.38 | Pascal_1 | no idea ? |
| 14:43.31 | Pascal_1 | my problem is i dont know where to search |
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| 14:46.12 | well_laid_lawn | what window manager or desktop environment are you using Pascal_1 ? |
| 14:46.32 | Pascal_1 | gnome |
| 14:47.33 | Pascal_1 | as i said before i donf know if it's an upgrade or the xdg-users-dirs installation wich create this problem |
| 14:47.48 | bernat | Pascal_1: wheezy? |
| 14:47.55 | Pascal_1 | sid , sorry |
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| 14:50.06 | bytecounter | Hi @all. I set the hardware clock on an UEFI-Board by "hwlcock --systohw". But if I look in the UEFI-Setup, there is still the wrong time (January, 14 2000). After rebooting I check the systemdate and it will be January, 14 2000. But if I try "hwclock -r" it shows the correct time. What's wrong? |
| 14:53.16 | Pascal_1 | any idea ? |
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| 14:55.24 | bytecounter | Pascal_1: sorry, what's your problem? I came late.. |
| 14:56.04 | Pascal_1 | i'm on debian sid/gnome, i've got some problem since last update (i'm not sure if it's the last update or because i installed xdg-users-dir), but since i cant display wallpaper on desktop. |
| 14:56.25 | Pascal_1 | sorry for my poor english ;-) |
| 14:56.32 | bernat | take a look at ~/.xsession-errors when trying to change the wallpaper |
| 14:56.48 | bernat | also /var/log/syslog |
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| 14:57.32 | Pascal_1 | i havent .xsession-errors but .cache/gdm/session.log and there is nothing inside |
| 14:57.40 | Pascal_1 | i look at /var/log/syslog |
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| 14:58.15 | Pascal_1 | nothing in /valog/syslog also |
| 14:58.21 | Pascal_1 | /var/log/syslog |
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| 14:59.24 | bernat | Pascal_1: Alt-F2 lg (see Errors tab) |
| 14:59.52 | Pascal_1 | there is no error tab |
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| 15:02.08 | Pascal_1 | when i try to change wallpaper, i only have 2 error lines |
| 15:02.16 | Pascal_1 | but i dont think it's the problem |
| 15:02.26 | Pascal_1 | it talk about flickr that i dont use |
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| 15:08.55 | Pascal_1 | nobody to help me ? |
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| 15:10.00 | chalcedony` | Pascal_1, don't give up |
| 15:10.08 | chalcedony` | wait a bit, people are often busy |
| 15:10.10 | mtn | Pascal_1: you might try #debian-next on the oftc server, which is for sid support |
| 15:10.26 | Pascal_1 | mtn: ok i try that thanks !! |
| 15:10.33 | chalcedony` | oftc server? |
| 15:11.00 | mtn | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 15:11.38 | Pascal_1 | i'm on #debian-next !! thanks |
| 15:11.43 | Pascal_1 | i'm waiting answer ;-) |
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| 15:11.49 | mtn | Pascal_1: yw |
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| 15:12.43 | Pascal_1 | mtn yw ?? |
| 15:12.52 | mtn | you're welcome |
| 15:12.57 | Pascal_1 | ok ! |
| 15:13.25 | zykotick9 | !tell chalcedony` about oftc |
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| 15:17.10 | pythonsnake | hey |
| 15:17.28 | pythonsnake | at 09-02-2010 what was the main codename? |
| 15:17.32 | pythonsnake | the stable one? |
| 15:17.36 | pythonsnake | lenny? |
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| 15:18.17 | jelly | dpkg, tell pythonsnake about release history |
| 15:19.13 | pythonsnake | lenny then |
| 15:19.52 | pythonsnake | i got a nas with a debian-like structure linux on it |
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| 15:20.34 | pythonsnake | is it ok if i just take pkgs from etch and force install them on it? |
| 15:20.42 | pythonsnake | it has got 2.3.4 libc |
| 15:20.51 | jelly | probably not, ask your vendor |
| 15:21.12 | pythonsnake | hm |
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| 15:21.14 | pythonsnake | ok thanks |
| 15:21.40 | jelly | pythonsnake: creating a separate debian chroot with debootstrap might be a slightly safer thing to do |
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| 15:26.18 | enter_man | hello, Im a newbie, just installed debian 7, I only get two options for screen resolution, the screen resolution I need (1366x768) is not listed in display settings, what can I do? |
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| 15:29.12 | pupil | enter_man: install the didplay driver |
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| 15:29.19 | pupil | *display driver |
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| 15:32.13 | enter_man | pupil: how do I do that exactly? what package should I install if using https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/H61MK/#specifications |
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| 15:33.07 | mtn | enter_man: https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard |
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| 15:34.14 | pupil | enter_man: install linux-firmware free and non-free |
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| 15:35.49 | enter_man | mtn: would that be xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 15:35.51 | enter_man | ? |
| 15:36.21 | mtn | enter_man: I don't know, do you have intel video chip? |
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| 15:37.26 | enter_man | VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 15:37.29 | enter_man | Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 844d |
| 15:37.31 | enter_man | Kernel driver in use: i915 |
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| 15:39.01 | mtn | enter_man: sounds like you have the correct driver. you could do some searching on "linux Xeon E3-1200" and see what you find. |
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| 15:39.36 | babilen | enter_man: Please also make sure that you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed along with intel-microcode (you have to enable non-free sources for that) |
| 15:40.03 | pythonsnake | what happens when you accdientally rm libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 15:40.07 | pythonsnake | how do i recover it |
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| 15:41.13 | babilen | enter_man: Please also note that intel graphic cards are specifically supported in #intel-gfx and they can probably tell you which version of the kernel module/Xorg driver you need. I'd also try a newer kernel from backports by following "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" (install firmware for that too with "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree") |
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| 15:42.42 | Seb | pythonsnake: find what package it came from, and reinstall that |
| 15:43.24 | pythonsnake | Seb: how |
| 15:43.29 | pythonsnake | $ dpkg |
| 15:43.32 | pythonsnake | dpkg: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:43.32 | dpkg | pythonsnake: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 15:44.40 | Seb | pythonsnake: if scp is still functional, try getting it from another system |
| 15:44.46 | Seb | pythonsnake: or cp it from a USB key |
| 15:45.25 | enter_man | does lspci undoubtedly give me the correct info on the graphics card I have? |
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| 15:46.10 | babilen | enter_man: It should, you typically want to check the pciid which you would get with "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" (it is the alphanumerical identifier at the end) |
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| 15:47.05 | bytecounter | My system did not update the systemclock on startup. "date" shows a wrong old date, but "hwclock -r" shows the correct time. If I try "/etc/init.d/hwclock.sh start" nothing happens; also nothing in syslog |
| 15:47.32 | enter_man | babilen, pupil: what should I do after installing linux-firmware-free and non-free? |
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| 15:48.28 | pupil | enter_man: the main point is you should install display driver |
| 15:48.46 | pythonsnake | Seb: can't cp! |
| 15:48.50 | pupil | the package to install will be depend on the display card you use |
| 15:48.54 | pythonsnake | i got it to another directory |
| 15:49.01 | pythonsnake | now what system variable do i ahve to change |
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| 15:49.58 | babilen | enter_man: You would have to reboot -- Did you install intel-microcode while you were at it? (bug fixes for your processor) |
| 15:50.44 | pythonsnake | YES |
| 15:50.47 | pythonsnake | FIXED |
| 15:51.13 | enter_man | babilen: yes, Im rebooting now |
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| 15:58.26 | jnlara | alguien que hable español? |
| 15:58.28 | jnlara | buenos |
| 15:58.38 | pythonsnake | si |
| 15:58.49 | pythonsnake | hab?? espa?o? |
| 15:59.27 | jnlara | ok, estoy instalando ocsinventory en un servidor debian, pero tengo errores con apache |
| 15:59.29 | jnlara | que no se como resolver |
| 15:59.32 | dvs | !es |
| 15:59.32 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 16:05.10 | jnlara | Iestoy instalando ocsinventory en un servidor debian, pero tengo errores con apache que no se como resolver |
| 16:05.17 | jnlara | ups, sorry |
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| 16:06.36 | enter_man | if my monitor doesnt support a higher resolution will it not show as an option in display settings? |
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| 16:22.25 | bytecounter | nobody any idea why the /etc/init.d/hwclock did not the sysclock? |
| 16:22.40 | bytecounter | did not update the sysclock |
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| 16:27.19 | bytecounter | ok, if udev running, the hwclock.sh do nothing..but what's the problem on my system? |
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| 16:36.19 | bytecounter | Where I can find information / howtos changing / updating time on UDEV-Systems? |
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| 16:38.37 | bernat_ | bytecounter: man date? |
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| 16:39.09 | enter_man | if my monitor doesnt support a higher resolution will it not show as an option in display settings? |
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| 16:40.29 | bytecounter | bernat_: no |
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| 16:43.53 | dark_man | hello |
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| 16:51.54 | yotee | привед медвед |
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| 16:52.19 | babilen | dpkg: ru |
| 16:52.20 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 16:53.29 | yotee | dpkg, ok, no problem) |
| 16:53.30 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, yotee |
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| 17:02.20 | hesco | I'm trying to make a serial connection to a device but can not remember the name of the cli terminal application I have installed for setting up and managing those connections. Can anyone please help me out here? |
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| 17:02.53 | jhutchins | hesco: history |
| 17:03.12 | mallxs | about c: is there a way to get the stat info from the argv[0] ?; the problem is if the argv[0] is executed after it is found in the PATH ! |
| 17:03.20 | hesco | thanks jhutchins: not sure how long its been since I used that tool, though |
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| 17:04.02 | JeffJohnson | mallxs: you mean, the problem is that it contains a relative path? |
| 17:04.09 | mallxs | hesco: cu |
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| 17:05.59 | mallxs | JeffJohnson: no, then i could get it by using getcwd; the problem seems to be if the program is found called just by name and found using the PATH; |
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| 17:06.13 | hesco | thanks mailxs, I had not been familiar with cu, adding that to my utilities manifest now |
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| 17:06.42 | hesco | its not the package I have installed, which I had been thinking of, but it looks like it will do the trick. |
| 17:06.46 | jhutchins | Anybody know how to avoid display of issue/banner/motd with rsync as with ssh -q? |
| 17:08.10 | ChrisH | rsync -e "ssh -q" ? |
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| 17:08.19 | ChrisH | jhutchins: untested |
| 17:09.00 | jhutchins | Haven't tried it with -e ssh yet... |
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| 17:13.41 | bytecounter | Hi, my debian did still not update the systemclock on boot. |
| 17:14.06 | creichen | Hi! During installation, `detect network hardware' didn't ask for any proprietary firmware and thus failed to set up my iwlwifi. Is there a way to fix this (I do have the relevant debs on another USB device and could install them by hand if only dpkg were available during installation), or do I have to install without network access? |
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| 17:17.08 | berarma | !tell creichen -about firmware images |
| 17:17.32 | berarma | bytecounter: I'm not sure what you're trying to do |
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| 17:18.12 | creichen | berarma: Thanks! |
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| 17:18.58 | Imbue | does anyone know how to mount a luks partition in the debian installer? |
| 17:19.14 | Imbue | example: if I install using encrypted lvm with seperate /home |
| 17:19.17 | Imbue | then I want to reinstall |
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| 17:19.51 | Imbue | I need to make the installer aware of the lvm/luks set up so I can get to the point at which I see /boot / /home swap in the installer, then I can choose not to format /home |
| 17:20.08 | hesco | looks like it was minicom I had been thinking about. My machine does not have a serial port, so I am running through a usb-to-serial adapter, and from there through a serial to rj45 adapter, which runs cat5e to the console port on the back of the switch. lsmod shows the pl2303 driver loaded. But I am not sure how to tell minicom to look at my usb bus rather than at the serial port. Can anyone please advise? |
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| 17:21.51 | hiyo | Hello I want to switch my debian server to use systemd |
| 17:21.57 | frostschutz | Imbue, dunno, but if all else fails, there's always debootstrap |
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| 17:24.55 | berarma | hiyo: read /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian |
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| 17:25.12 | hiyo | okay |
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| 17:28.08 | JyZyXEL | why does make-ssl-cert make a private key that begins with: -----BEGIN PRIVATE KEY----- |
| 17:28.15 | JyZyXEL | shouldn't it be —–BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY—– |
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| 17:29.29 | engla | I'd guess the text is not important |
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| 17:29.45 | JyZyXEL | maybe its not a RSA key then? |
| 17:31.32 | MindTooth | JyZyXEL: http://martin.kleppmann.com/2013/05/24/improving-security-of-ssh-private-keys.html |
| 17:32.01 | JyZyXEL | not sure how that is related? |
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| 17:32.14 | ksk | hey guys. i understand there are ulimits - is there a good explanation around what "open file" means? would that barrier come into place if i exctracted a tar with more files then "nofile" ulimit? |
| 17:32.18 | MindTooth | This might help explain. |
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| 17:35.06 | wols_ | ksk: no. tar opens one file and then closes it before opening the next. no limits are hit |
| 17:35.19 | ksk | wols_: okay, thanks. |
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| 17:37.01 | bytecounter | I think I found the problem. The new board is uefi; old one was bios |
| 17:37.17 | Jonuz | Does hurd have some advances compared to linux? |
| 17:37.25 | bytecounter | So, is it possible to reconfigure the RTX udev-rule? |
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| 17:38.02 | mallxs | hesco: if the "pl2303" is a emulator for a serial port there may be a device file some where in /dev (just my 2c) |
| 17:38.38 | hesco | thanks mailxs, will take a look for that. |
| 17:39.00 | jelly | hesco, mallxs: pl2303 is a usb<->serial bridge, look for /dev/ttyUSB* devices |
| 17:39.24 | mallxs | thx jelly |
| 17:39.34 | hesco | thanks jelly: /dev/ttyUSB0 found it !!! |
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| 17:45.17 | HisaoNakai | I have a USB mobile broadband modem here, lsusb sees it, dmesg reacts to it, minicom sees it and can interact with it, and I danced the usb_modeswitch dance with it, but I'm unable to add a connection for it because Mobile Broadband is disabled (tab grayed out) in the network connection editor. KDE 4.11.3, Debian Stable. Please help. |
| 17:45.20 | HisaoNakai | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:48.41 | crowdCtrl | HisaoNakai: try download modemmanager |
| 17:48.49 | HisaoNakai | crowdCtrl: Already did, it's running |
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| 17:51.46 | HisaoNakai | crowdCtrl: Is there perhaps some other service I need to restart for the KDE tools to see it? |
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| 17:57.45 | mallxs | lol i did write a su program to start GTK / flash program as a other user just to get the message GTK will not allow this (it is a dedicated machine in a private network); any hint as to how to setup a lister in user land that i can use to as the same user as my desktop ? |
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| 18:02.41 | wols_ | !tell mallxs about xauth |
| 18:02.51 | wols_ | mallxs: or you can do it the evil way with xhost |
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| 18:03.15 | Togusa | anyone using skype in here? each time it plays a sound it kills all other sound applications (jessie/3.12-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.9-1 (2014-02-01)) |
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| 18:05.23 | jordanm | Togusa: are you using pulseaudio? |
| 18:05.34 | therealGent | hello all. Are any of you aware of a bug in the most recent debian installer where it will always install grub on /dev/sda regardless of what you specify previously in the graphical installer? |
| 18:05.47 | Togusa | jordanm: yes, and i have installed both libpulse0:i386 and libpulse0:amd64 |
| 18:06.04 | jordanm | Togusa: is the pulseaudio daemon running? |
| 18:06.26 | Togusa | actually, i just noticed it doesn' really kill the other sound applications, it's like their playback streams get muted |
| 18:06.44 | Togusa | jordanm: yes it is |
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| 18:07.07 | mtn | therealGent: latest, like the testing installer? |
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| 18:07.15 | abrotman | therealGent: which most recent? |
| 18:07.17 | therealGent | mtn, no stable |
| 18:07.26 | therealGent | seemed to happen with both regular image, and installer |
| 18:07.38 | abrotman | what is "regular image" ? |
| 18:08.00 | mallxs | wols_: atm i'm using apache and some code to start the program,i can start the program to my desktop atm, but the Flash uses vars in ~/.macromedia/etc/etc of the current user, thats why i had to fool prog to run as the regular user |
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| 18:08.22 | therealGent | The graphical installer would ask what device to install grub on, and it would correctly assume the drive the OS was installed on. (In my case /dev/sdc) but when you hit next, you can see the progress bar indicator installing it to /dev/sda. And I always had to boot from flash drive, then reinstall grub in the system manually. |
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| 18:08.59 | therealGent | abrotman, as in the other image but netinst? The complete installation image. |
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| 18:10.31 | abrotman | CD1 ? |
| 18:10.33 | abrotman | DVD1? |
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| 18:10.50 | abrotman | Just wanted to make sure you didn't mean the LiveCD installer |
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| 18:12.05 | therealGent | no not the live cd |
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| 18:12.09 | therealGent | i believe it was DVD1 |
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| 18:14.44 | whmark | I'm having terrible 3D video performance on the current Debian |
| 18:14.44 | whmark | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.44 | whmark | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.45 | whmark | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:14.57 | willvarfar | I have a particular file on my system; how can I determine which package installed it? |
| 18:14.57 | Togusa | jordanm: any clue about it? am i doomed? :P |
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| 18:15.40 | Togusa | willvarfar: i think you can use apt-file |
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| 18:15.45 | jordanm | Togusa: no idea, I haven't noticed that behavior |
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| 18:15.58 | whmark | sorry about that, I tried to send that earlier but ERC's connection had been closed so I copy pasted |
| 18:16.07 | ska | xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:1.0.1-5 seems to crash my Wheezy system. Is there any backport or other fix for it? |
| 18:17.10 | Togusa | jordanm: can't find much on google :/ it was working fine on ubuntu |
| 18:18.23 | willvarfar | Togusa, thx that looks really promising. Don't seem to have it on ubuntu 12.04 but still a leed |
| 18:19.05 | Togusa | willvarfar: it is not installed by default but it should be available in the repositories |
| 18:19.10 | jordanm | Togusa: working fine on stable too |
| 18:19.31 | Togusa | jordanm: maybe it was not such a good idea to install jessie |
| 18:19.45 | Togusa | i can't really downgrade, i should re-format |
| 18:19.49 | willvarfar | yeah I can't find it though; on newer ubunutus I see it in synaptic as apt-file, but that's not found on a 12.04 vm I'm trying to sort out |
| 18:19.53 | bytecounter | is it possible to reconfigure the RTX udev-rule? |
| 18:20.04 | Togusa | but what if i still have issues? don't really want to find out |
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| 18:20.08 | bytecounter | RTX => I mean RTC |
| 18:20.56 | ska | I see a version in Sid.. |
| 18:22.04 | ompaul | apropos running software from multiple versions of debian together one should /msg dpkg frankendebian |
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| 18:25.57 | Togusa | jordanm: wow, i just discovered something else! the only application getting muted by skype is vlc |
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| 18:37.32 | acu_ | !jessie |
| 18:37.32 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie freeze>. |
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| 18:40.42 | AlexLikeRock | i need help , when i open iceasel my PC goin to FROZZEn |
| 18:41.04 | AlexLikeRock | my problem are with my nvidia graphics |
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| 18:41.58 | ska | ompaul: I agree. Just not sure what to do with this stability. |
| 18:42.12 | ska | ompaul: instablity that is. |
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| 18:42.39 | boratynskikamil | Hello, did anyone of you created NFS server in container? |
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| 18:43.34 | bytecounter | Hello, my debian did not update the systemclock on startup |
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| 18:46.17 | AlexLikeRock | bytecounter, try this |
| 18:46.17 | AlexLikeRock | http://cesarin.wordpress.com/2010/08/24/comandos-para-configurar-la-hora-y-fecha-del-sistema-linux/ |
| 18:47.06 | bytecounter | That isn't the problem |
| 18:47.22 | AlexLikeRock | -.- |
| 18:47.28 | bytecounter | hwclock -r shows the correct time. But date shows wrong time |
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| 18:48.13 | bytecounter | Every time after rebooting |
| 18:48.27 | AlexLikeRock | # hwclock --hctosys <---- syncronize ;-) |
| 18:48.35 | AlexLikeRock | harware whit system |
| 18:48.41 | bytecounter | Yes, I know |
| 18:48.46 | AlexLikeRock | oooooooook |
| 18:49.03 | AlexLikeRock | just try first :) |
| 18:49.07 | bytecounter | But I have to do this after every boot. And that couldn't be correct ;) |
| 18:49.14 | dvs | bytecounter: How much is the time off by? |
| 18:49.42 | bytecounter | A lot of...The systemtime goes to January, 14th 2000 |
| 18:49.58 | bytecounter | So it is not the utc problem ;) |
| 18:50.01 | dvs | Sounds like a dead battery |
| 18:50.15 | bytecounter | No, the hardware clock works correctly |
| 18:50.33 | bytecounter | I think it is an udev problem. UDEV have to update the systemclock on startup |
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| 18:51.33 | bytecounter | But I did'nt find anything about. I changed the mainboard. Old one was a BIOS, now I've an UEFI Board. So I think UDEV did not recognize this change |
| 18:52.40 | crowdCtrl | does gnash flash plugin is by any mean safer than up to date adobe flash? |
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| 18:54.33 | bytecounter | No idea? |
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| 18:55.10 | AlexLikeRock | bytecounter, try this one more time |
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| 18:55.12 | AlexLikeRock | # date --set "2011-10-18 05:25" |
| 18:55.21 | AlexLikeRock | # hwclock --set --date="2011-10-18 05:25" |
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| 18:55.36 | AlexLikeRock | # hwclock |
| 18:55.42 | AlexLikeRock | # reboot |
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| 18:55.50 | AlexLikeRock | please doit |
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| 18:56.29 | bytecounter | Just a moment.. |
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| 18:56.40 | UukGoblin | hi guys |
| 18:56.46 | UukGoblin | is gnome currently uninstallable in sid? |
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| 18:56.59 | UukGoblin | I'm getting "gnome : Depends: gnome-core (= 1:3.8+4) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 18:57.20 | UukGoblin | and then "gnome-core : Depends: gnome-sushi (>= 0.4) but it is not going to be installed" when I try to add that |
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| 18:57.32 | abrotman | try using aptitude |
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| 18:57.40 | UukGoblin | no help really |
| 18:57.47 | abrotman | UukGoblin: use a pastebin to show us |
| 18:57.52 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 18:57.52 | UukGoblin | aptitude tries to solve the problem by leaving gnome uninstalled |
| 18:58.42 | bertrik | UukGoblin: I got the same on a netinstall yesterday |
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| 18:59.56 | UukGoblin | yeah, done an upgrade yesterday |
| 19:00.27 | UukGoblin | and one of my users tried to install icedove, which I think removed gnome |
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| 19:00.33 | UukGoblin | now I'm trying to get gnome back |
| 19:00.46 | bytecounter | Hmm..no I've a filesystem problem..I think I need some time.. |
| 19:01.04 | UukGoblin | sorry, the paste is at http://paste.debian.net/82570/ |
| 19:01.18 | UukGoblin | abrotman, ^^ |
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| 19:02.33 | dvs | UukGoblin: Say "N" to the first solution, not ^C |
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| 19:02.45 | abrotman | UukGoblin: apt-get update first .. try again |
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| 19:04.02 | UukGoblin | abrotman, same thing |
| 19:04.07 | UukGoblin | done an update not so long ago |
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| 19:05.28 | AlexLikeRock | i got problem whit 3d with nvidia :-( |
| 19:05.29 | AlexLikeRock | help |
| 19:05.36 | AlexLikeRock | were can i start ? |
| 19:06.03 | berarma_ | !tell AlexLikeRock -about ask |
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| 19:06.31 | AlexLikeRock | <AlexLikeRock> i need help , when i open iceasel my PC goin to FROZZEn |
| 19:06.31 | AlexLikeRock | <AlexLikeRock> my problem are with my nvidia graphics |
| 19:06.36 | AlexLikeRock | berarma_, |
| 19:07.19 | berarma_ | that doesn't help much, why do you think nvidia is the problem? |
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| 19:08.12 | bytecounter | back...same probleme... |
| 19:08.25 | abrotman | UukGoblin: pastebin `apt-cache policy ; cat /etc/apt/sources/list ' |
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| 19:09.09 | AlexLikeRock | because , y chage driver to nouveau |
| 19:09.09 | AlexLikeRock | and start this problem |
| 19:09.10 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:09.23 | bytecounter | <AlexLikeRock>: same problem...#date > Fr 14. Jan 2000 |
| 19:09.46 | bytecounter | #hwclock > Mo 17. Feb 2014 |
| 19:10.26 | AlexLikeRock | bytecounter, i dont now :-S |
| 19:10.46 | bytecounter | How could I check if udev works correctly? |
| 19:10.50 | abrotman | bytecounter: do you have ntp installed? |
| 19:10.55 | bytecounter | yes |
| 19:11.03 | UukGoblin | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/82572/ |
| 19:11.04 | abrotman | bytecounter: have it slew your clock, google for instructions |
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| 19:11.39 | abrotman | UukGoblin: that's part of running Unstable, packages are not always installable. |
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| 19:12.03 | UukGoblin | abrotman, well, I realize that, that's why I mentioned I'm on sid straight away |
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| 19:12.59 | UukGoblin | oh, perhaps I should move on to the oftc channel mentioned in topic ;-) |
| 19:13.21 | berarma | bytecounter: why has it to be udev related? |
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| 19:14.12 | bytecounter | I think so; the /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh exit with 0 if udev is running |
| 19:14.25 | AlexLikeRock | any one help me http://paste.debian.net/82573/ |
| 19:15.29 | bytecounter | What is nss-myhostname? |
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| 19:16.22 | Brigo | libnss-myhostname - nss module providing fallback resolution for the current hostname |
| 19:16.28 | berarma | bytecounter: have you looked in /var/log/syslog and /var/log/dmesg? |
| 19:16.34 | Brigo | systemd about, i guess |
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| 19:19.10 | bytecounter | berarma: Yes, in dmesg I found "set systemclock to 2014-02-17...." so it seems correct. But why the systemclock is after logging in 2000-01-14? |
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| 19:20.14 | Protected | Hey there... Could anyone help me get rid of the "/usr/local/lib/libz.so.1: no version information available" I'm getting everywhere, please? I'm running wheezy and have root. |
| 19:20.21 | Protected | But am otherwise mostly clueless |
| 19:20.36 | Protected | I can do stuff to find things out for you, though |
| 19:21.21 | berarma | ProfessorBacon: can't you just move that file away? |
| 19:21.44 | berarma | bytecounter: good question |
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| 19:22.19 | ZupZupper | bytecounter, where are you pulling the datestamp from after login? |
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| 19:22.48 | bytecounter | I try date for systemdate and hwclock -r for the hardwareclock |
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| 19:23.51 | ZupZupper | bytecounter, do you have ntpdate available? |
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| 19:24.05 | bytecounter | yes |
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| 19:24.26 | ZupZupper | what happens if you stop the ntp service and manually update with ntpdate |
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| 19:24.35 | berarma | Protected: : can't you just move that file away? |
| 19:24.46 | Protected | Won't that break anything? |
| 19:25.07 | bytecounter | but after rebooting the hw-clock is correct, but not the systemclock. If I enter ntpd -qg manualy it works fine...until the next boot |
| 19:25.08 | berarma | shouldn't break anything critical since it's a user installed library |
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| 19:25.21 | Protected | That pops up every time I install packages or compile anything |
| 19:25.37 | Protected | I'll give that a try |
| 19:25.42 | berarma | that library is being used of the debian one, package zlib1g |
| 19:25.50 | berarma | instead of* |
| 19:25.51 | ZupZupper | bytecounter, odd, that sounds like it can't hit your ntp server on boot |
| 19:26.09 | Protected | So if I remove it, zlib1g will be used? |
| 19:26.13 | Protected | That's exactly what I need |
| 19:26.21 | berarma | Protected: do you have it installed? |
| 19:26.25 | Protected | It's installed, yes |
| 19:26.46 | berarma | you should be fine moving that file away |
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| 19:30.07 | ottomata | phew, anyone here have experience with maven-debian-helper? |
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| 19:30.41 | ottomata | i'm trying to create a .deb for Apache Archiva and feel like i'm not on the right track |
| 19:30.43 | wols_ | !tell ottomata about anyone |
| 19:30.47 | ottomata | just looking for a little guidance |
| 19:30.50 | Protected | berarma: Awesome, thanks |
| 19:31.08 | ottomata | (thanks wols_) |
| 19:31.16 | berarma | ProfessorBacon: nice, np |
| 19:31.22 | berarma | Protected: nice, np |
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| 19:33.30 | devnull_ | Can anyone hear me? |
| 19:33.42 | redcheckers | no. |
| 19:33.47 | redcheckers | but i read you loud n clear devnull_ |
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| 19:33.54 | bytecounter | ZupZupper: you're right...it seems, that the network adapter has a problem on startup... |
| 19:34.03 | dvs | ??? |
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| 19:34.10 | devnull_ | kk, just curious not getting any responses in the cakephp channel. |
| 19:34.21 | redcheckers | devnull_: maybe they're all busy eating cake |
| 19:34.39 | devnull_ | probably lol. |
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| 19:35.20 | ZupZupper | bytecounter, check the ntp dependencies in /etc/init.d, it probably already specifies network |
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| 19:35.47 | ZupZupper | bytecounter, you could also put a cleanup step in rc.local to restart the service but that's a bit hacky =) |
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| 19:36.44 | berarma | bytecounter: in Debian, you just need ntp, not ntpdate, and that still doesn't explain your system clock being so out of date |
| 19:36.45 | sephioh | hi all. i got a problem with a blade like server. i dont have usb ports, and im trying to install debian netinst disc, but it tries to load bnx2 module using a removable drive, but like i said, i dont have one. if i try debian first disc instead netinst, it have non-free-firmware package already in? |
| 19:37.55 | dvs | sephioh: no, there is an unofficial ISO for that. |
| 19:37.58 | ZupZupper | berarma, sounds like ntp is starting before the network fully comes up |
| 19:38.14 | bytecounter | berarma: Yes, but what could be the real problem? |
| 19:39.30 | ottomata | Ok, I'm trying to build a .deb for Apache Archiva. |
| 19:39.30 | ottomata | The Archiva source has quite a few poms and sub-poms, each with many dependencies. |
| 19:39.30 | ottomata | Many of the dependencies do not already have prebuilt .deb packages in upstream Debian or Ubuntu apt repositories. |
| 19:39.30 | ottomata | I'm not trying to upload this package to Debian, so I'm not entirely worried about satisfying all Debian packaging policies. |
| 19:39.30 | ottomata | For the dependencies that don't have .debs, I'm fine with manually including the .jars in my package. |
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| 19:39.46 | dvs | dpkg: tell sephioh about firmware iso |
| 19:39.53 | berarma | ZupZupper: ntp retries so that shouldn't be a problem |
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| 19:40.13 | berarma | bytecounter: I don't really know, sry |
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| 19:41.13 | ZupZupper | bytecounter, if we're chasing network problems at boot, you might see if DNS resolution is failing early on for some reason, do you have any logs? |
| 19:41.22 | ottomata | Ok. Question: |
| 19:41.22 | ottomata | I'm trying to build a .deb for Apache Archiva. |
| 19:41.29 | ottomata | The Archiva source has quite a few poms and sub-poms, each with many dependencies. |
| 19:41.36 | ottomata | Many of the dependencies do not already have prebuilt .deb packages in upstream Debian or Ubuntu apt repositories. |
| 19:41.51 | ottomata | I'm not trying to upload this package to Debian, so I'm not trying to satisfy all Debian packaging policies. |
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| 19:41.59 | ottomata | For the dependencies that don't have .debs, I'm fine with manually including the .jars in my package. |
| 19:42.08 | bytecounter | Yes, I saw, that the interface tried to start up, but then is it down and two seconds later it is successfully startet. |
| 19:42.09 | ottomata | I think that I can patch the .poms so that they use a local repository for these dependencies. But, maven-debian-helper will also patch the poms during the build process. I'm not really sure what to do next. |
| 19:42.14 | ottomata | Packaging java .debs is hard! |
| 19:42.43 | bytecounter | But now I make knock-off and try tomorrow again. Thank you |
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| 19:48.09 | ottomata | Is there a better chat room to ask about .deb packaging in than this one? |
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| 19:49.21 | sephioh | dvs: thanks! |
| 19:49.28 | centrx | ottomata, On OFTC |
| 19:49.31 | dvs | no prob |
| 19:49.32 | berarma | ottomata: there are channels for packaging, I think #debian-mentors could be useful |
| 19:49.35 | ottomata | ohoh |
| 19:49.41 | ottomata | ok thanks, signing in there |
| 19:49.44 | berarma | right, on oftc |
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| 19:51.42 | horsik | guys |
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| 19:52.01 | horsik | copying files to usb stick freezes whole X |
| 19:52.30 | horsik | anyone know what's wrong |
| 19:52.42 | jelly-hme | horsik: long standing misfeature |
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| 19:53.33 | horsik | jelly-hme: so can't be fixed? |
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| 19:57.23 | nodiscc | hi all, there's a bug on the BTS that has been marked WONTFIX on the upstream bug tracker |
| 19:57.39 | nodiscc | but it's still open on debian's tracker. Shouldn't it be closed? |
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| 19:58.08 | Brigo | bueno, hay otro camino que podemos intentar. |
| 19:58.17 | Brigo | sorry, mistake channel |
| 19:58.19 | nodiscc | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=615629 |
| 19:58.47 | ripero | hi, what is the best way to setup a default umask = 0077 for all users? |
| 19:59.03 | centrx | nodiscc, It is possible it might still be fixed in the Debian package |
| 19:59.40 | jordanm | ripero: edit UMASK in /etc/login.defs |
| 19:59.55 | ripero | jordanm: I did that, but it doesn't seem to work |
| 20:00.12 | ripero | do I have to somehow enable pam_umask? |
| 20:00.13 | jordanm | ripero: did you logout and back in? |
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| 20:00.19 | ripero | yes |
| 20:00.53 | jordanm | ripero: ah, yes, doesn't look like it's enabled by default |
| 20:01.13 | jordanm | ripero: session required pam_umask.so # in /etc/pam.d/common-session |
| 20:01.17 | jordanm | ripero: I am just guessing though |
| 20:02.06 | ripero | jordanm: ok... I am unfamiliar with pam configuration files, will these changes be kept after a system upgrade? |
| 20:02.42 | jordanm | ripero: yes, you should be prompted on update if the maintainer has changed the default file |
| 20:02.51 | ripero | jordanm: ok |
| 20:02.55 | jordanm | ripero: so you can choose to keep your existing changes |
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| 20:04.07 | ripero | jordanm: I was trying to understand the pam syntax... required vs. optional? |
| 20:05.10 | jordanm | ripero: see pam.conf for which directive you want |
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| 20:05.27 | jordanm | ripero: I don't remember the exact details, but IIRC required will fail the login if the module fails |
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| 20:06.46 | ripero | jordanm: ok... and why would a module fail? |
| 20:07.20 | jordanm | ripero: well, in the default file pan_winbind.so is configured as optional |
| 20:07.38 | jordanm | ripero: if it was required, then only active directory users would be able to login |
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| 20:08.17 | jordanm | I wouldn't expect pam_umask to be something that could fail, but who knows |
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| 20:17.04 | cdb2 | hallo i have a "debian routing problem" |
| 20:17.06 | ripero | jordanm: thank you for your help, it seems to work OK (optional in common-session + 077 in login.defs) |
| 20:17.25 | jordanm | ripero: np |
| 20:17.26 | cdb2 | my router ip: 10.254.254.254, my pc ip: 10.255.255.0 |
| 20:17.59 | cdb2 | try to traceroute vom router to me: 1st hop: 192.168.1.1 15ms 15ms 15ms. 2nd hop: * * *, 3rd hop: 10.255.255.0 30ms 30ms 30ms |
| 20:18.28 | cdb2 | i thought the debian router shouldnt route to the internet if my ip is at the same subnet ^ |
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| 20:18.47 | cdb2 | its a 10.0.0.0/8 subnet |
| 20:19.03 | cdb2 | and 192.168.1.1 is the ip of the vpn server in the internet |
| 20:19.59 | iceroot | i have two systems (debian and raspbian) both are using pulse-audio. Is it possible to somehow stream the sound from the debian machine to the raspbian machine? with pulse directly? or do i need something else? (raspbian is also hosting xbmc) |
| 20:20.01 | Brigo | your pc ip is 10.255.255.0?? |
| 20:20.23 | cdb2 | Brigo yes the ip of my pc 10.255.255.0 subnetmask 255.0.0.0 |
| 20:20.27 | cdb2 | gw: 10.254.254.254 |
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| 20:20.46 | jgowdy | wow |
| 20:20.50 | Brigo | an ip cant finish with 0. This is a network ip |
| 20:21.03 | cdb2 | no 10.0.0.0 is the network id |
| 20:21.14 | cdb2 | because its 10.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 |
| 20:21.28 | cdb2 | and 10.255.255.255 is the broadcast |
| 20:21.30 | jgowdy | Technically, I believe you can have an IP that ends in 0. But why you'd want to, I do not know. |
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| 20:22.01 | cdb2 | it wouldnt change anything if i take 10.0.0.1 as example |
| 20:22.13 | Brigo | may be |
| 20:22.14 | cdb2 | the router routes to the internet and then from the internet back to me^^1 |
| 20:22.21 | iceroot | Brigo: the first address is always the network, the last is broadcast, everything else between that are normal addresses and if it is bigger then 255.255.255.0 its valid to have x.x.x.0 |
| 20:22.32 | jgowdy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4#Addresses_ending_in_0_or_255 |
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| 20:23.53 | jgowdy | Why is your network the entire /8? |
| 20:24.06 | jgowdy | In a single subnet |
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| 20:24.17 | cdb2 | because some idiots decided that it should be a class a network |
| 20:24.44 | jgowdy | well technially it is a class A network, in pre-CIDR terms, but there's no reason to make it a /8, that's kinda silly |
| 20:24.56 | cdb2 | my oppinion was that it should be a 10.0.0.0/24 network |
| 20:24.59 | cdb2 | but they said no |
| 20:25.13 | jgowdy | your broadcast domain must be lovely |
| 20:25.46 | deb | damm |
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| 20:27.11 | jgowdy | so from router to you |
| 20:27.16 | jgowdy | the router is defaulting to the wrong interface |
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| 20:27.37 | cdb2 | where can i tell router what interface is the default interface? |
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| 20:27.41 | jgowdy | which makes me think your subnet masks or static routes aren't good |
| 20:27.50 | Tramp | cdb2: what's the output of "ip route get 10.255.255.0" |
| 20:27.53 | jgowdy | the router should default to the 10.0.0.0/8 network interface |
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| 20:28.42 | cdb2 | 10.255.255.0 dev eth1 src 10.254.254.254 |
| 20:28.50 | cdb2 | cache ipid 0x69ed |
| 20:29.02 | jgowdy | is eth1 the right interface I assume? |
| 20:29.03 | cdb2 | eth1 = 10.254.254.254 |
| 20:29.11 | Tramp | cdb2: that's directly connected everything looks fine to me |
| 20:29.14 | jgowdy | yes |
| 20:29.23 | jgowdy | try traceroute -s 10.254.254.254 |
| 20:29.39 | jgowdy | or -i eth1 |
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| 20:30.10 | cdb2 | *** *** *** |
| 20:30.17 | cdb2 | but i tried it from the router |
| 20:30.22 | cdb2 | i have a windows 7 client |
| 20:30.25 | bug01 | Hi, I just did a complete upgrade to wheezy, most of services are on air again. On this machine I also manage a python project with supervisord. due to the upgrade I also decided to switch my virtualenv from python 2.6.6 to 2.7.x. but restarting the project with supervisord fails, the logs shows an error due to old pythonenv 2.6.6 |
| 20:30.51 | jgowdy | ping -s 10.254.254.254 10.255.255.0 |
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| 20:31.41 | cdb2 | 18 bytes from 10.255.255.0: icmp_req=1 ttl=126 |
| 20:31.43 | cdb2 | all the time |
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| 20:32.02 | jgowdy | so what's the issue you're having? |
| 20:32.08 | jgowdy | just that you think the traceroute looks weird? |
| 20:32.13 | cdb2 | 6 transmitted, 6 received, 0% packet loss, time 5020ms |
| 20:32.17 | bug01 | a reread and reaload didn't fix this |
| 20:32.31 | cdb2 | i cant even ping the router from my client 10.255.255.0 but i can access the internet |
| 20:32.56 | cdb2 | i cant even connect with ssh. i only manage my router in hyper-v |
| 20:33.07 | cdb2 | virtual machine with debian 64 as router |
| 20:34.00 | cdb2 | i mean everything works execpt that one thing. i cant manage the virtual debian router from another pc |
| 20:34.15 | cdb2 | i must always go into hyper-v console |
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| 20:35.38 | Tramp | cdb2: what you say sounds like you have a problem with the Windows PC. |
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| 20:36.01 | jgowdy | have you checked what interface/ip ssh is bound to and your iptables? |
| 20:36.24 | jgowdy | Do you only have this issue with the .0 address? |
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| 20:36.33 | cdb2 | no its the same with all other |
| 20:37.04 | jgowdy | And I presume different OS on those internal addresses doesn't address the issue? I doubt it's the Windows box based on what you've said |
| 20:37.29 | cdb2 | no all others are also involved |
| 20:37.31 | cdb2 | http://pastebin.com/HkCmsFgN |
| 20:37.39 | cdb2 | the traceroute from the far vpn server looks like this |
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| 20:38.24 | cdb2 | shouldnt it be like this? 1st hop 192.168.1.1 2nd hop: 10.255.255.0 instead of : 1sthop: 10.254.254.254 2nd hop: 10.255.255.0 ??? |
| 20:38.41 | jgowdy | if you VPN in, the external interface won't show |
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| 20:38.54 | jgowdy | traceroute is inside the VPN, it doesn't see the external hop |
| 20:39.01 | cdb2 | yes vpn server: eth0: 192.168.1.1 |
| 20:39.06 | cdb2 | eth1: 83.141.x.x |
| 20:39.16 | cdb2 | so 192.168.1.1 is the internal |
| 20:39.33 | cdb2 | but it says 10.254.254.254 as first hoP?? |
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| 20:51.11 | cdb2 | normally the route is 2meters from pc to router but the router says no why should i take the short way. lets take the 300km long route and then back home :D:D:D |
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| 20:51.36 | cdb2 | so router decides to take the 600km long way instead of the 4meters |
| 20:51.42 | cdb2 | just crazy |
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| 21:13.49 | corretico | Hello |
| 21:13.54 | corretico | I need assistance |
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| 21:14.09 | corretico | When I try to install Debian 7.0.3 I get the following error |
| 21:14.18 | corretico | No EFI partition was found... |
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| 21:15.33 | centrx | corretico, Personally, I would disable EFI in the BIOS |
| 21:15.58 | jhutchins | corretico: Are you trying to set up dual-boot with windows? |
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| 21:16.00 | jhutchins | !efi |
| 21:16.01 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 21:16.22 | corretico | <centrx>let me check how I disable EFI |
| 21:16.37 | corretico | <jhutchins>mmm nop... I only use Debian :-) |
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| 21:18.13 | tremon | corretico: if you boot the installer in efi mode, you should make sure to create a gpt partition layout that includes a (+/- 100MB) efi system partition, otherwise the system is unbootable |
| 21:18.43 | corretico | <tremon>oki doki. we use efi partition for? |
| 21:19.28 | tremon | It's the EFI equivalent of the mbr boot sector. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_System_partition |
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| 21:20.19 | tremon | I've never had to create that partition from within the installer though, wouldn't know which options to select |
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| 21:20.55 | corretico | <tremon>.... is important this partition? This is my desktop PC |
| 21:21.12 | corretico | sorry, I'm new in Debian |
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| 21:21.39 | tremon | it's not a debian thing. /Any/ system that uses efi boot needs that partition |
| 21:21.50 | eshlox | is anyone using gnome 3.8 (testing)? laptop + additional display, everytime when i lock my screen then after some time i have issues like: additional display is turned off on the settings, all extensions icons dissapear, screen resolution on laptop screen is wrong, any ideas how i can fix this? |
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| 21:25.56 | vedranm | eshlox: <sarcasm>it could be that you are not using systemd</sarcasm> |
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| 21:26.09 | vedranm | eshlox: seriously, what GPU/driver? |
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| 21:28.37 | eshlox | vedranm: intel hd/i915 (+ nvidia, optimus) |
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| 21:41.26 | jhutchins | tremon: There are systems that offer both EFI and BIOS modes and don't require the EFI partition. |
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| 21:46.08 | tremon | sure. In those cases you have the option to chooce between an mbr and an efi system partition. But I don't think the installer allows you to install grub-pc when you boot it in bios mode |
| 21:46.25 | tremon | er, that should have read efi mode of course |
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| 21:46.50 | thaicares_ | I can't do netinstall or cd install any suggestion? |
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| 21:48.06 | frostschutz | thaicares, why not? |
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| 21:48.42 | thaicares_ | frostschutz I can't get an internet access during install |
| 21:48.50 | thaicares_ | and I have no cd drive.... |
| 21:49.12 | thaicares_ | the time I was successful with Debian was through a live debian image that fit on a small usb drive... |
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| 21:50.05 | thaicares_ | and I think because it wasn't a full install issues become a decent distraction... |
| 21:50.37 | thaicares_ | I'm no my second distro other than debian now! |
| 21:50.44 | vedranm | eshlox: uhh, optimus |
| 21:50.48 | thaicares_ | on* |
| 21:50.56 | vedranm | not sure on that one, sorry :/ |
| 21:51.18 | thaicares_ | vedranm talking to me? |
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| 21:51.35 | ted20 | How to change useragent in chromium (without switch add --user-agent=)? |
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| 21:52.02 | ted20 | *without add switch to command line ;) |
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| 21:52.27 | heoyea | install a plugin that does useragent |
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| 21:52.40 | ecantin | ted20: Look in the settings of the dev tools |
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| 21:53.11 | ted20 | ecantin: Yeah, I see this, but chromium doesn't save this settings... |
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| 21:55.13 | petn-randall | ted20: What's wrong with using the command line switch? |
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| 21:56.36 | ted20 | petn-randall: Noooo! Change UA via command line works perfect, but this's not comfortable... |
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| 21:57.13 | thaicares_ | is there a single debian image that will fit in 8gb? |
| 21:57.24 | centrx | There is one that will fit in 220MBG |
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| 21:57.26 | centrx | MB |
| 21:57.46 | ted20 | thaicares_: ofc :) |
| 21:57.55 | thaicares_ | ted20 ofc? |
| 21:57.59 | petn-randall | ted20: You can create a shortcut on your desktop to that line, it can't get much easier. Or use a plugin that does that. It won't get much easier than that. |
| 21:58.05 | ted20 | thaicares_: of course ;) |
| 21:58.11 | thaicares_ | centrx no net install? |
| 21:58.34 | centrx | thinks thaicares should ask his real question |
| 21:58.36 | petn-randall | thaicares_: What are you trying to do? There's a netinst image with ~230 MB size. |
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| 21:59.08 | petn-randall | agrees with centrx. |
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| 21:59.25 | chiggins | Quick question. Does MySQL still have its databases stored inside /var ? |
| 21:59.34 | thaicares_ | petn-randall I can't connect to the internet during install so I need an image that will install it all from usb |
| 21:59.35 | petn-randall | chiggins: Yes. |
| 21:59.39 | chiggins | Wasn't sure if they would be in /var or /srv |
| 21:59.47 | chiggins | petn-randall: Thank you a ton :) |
| 22:00.04 | centrx | thaicares, Connect to the Internet after install. |
| 22:00.05 | ted20 | petn-randall: I know, but my WM doesn't support shortcut in desktop :D (LOL) Chromium support this out of the box |
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| 22:03.00 | thaicares_ | centrx with netinstall? |
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| 22:03.26 | centrx | If you would like |
| 22:03.47 | thaicares_ | it doesn't install the base system first... it looks for a cd image to pull the base system from (I assume that is the fallback when there is no internet access) |
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| 22:05.50 | lexvegas | is it just me or is it a security issue that everyone on a system can read pretty much whatever they want in /etc |
| 22:06.00 | petn-randall | thaicares_: You can use the first DVD, but you won't be able to have all Debian software on those 8 GB, since the whole image set is larger than that. But maybe if you explain your setup we can help you more. |
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| 22:06.15 | petn-randall | lexvegas: Erm, they can't? |
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| 22:07.19 | lexvegas | i can cat a lot of stuff in /etc that exposes stuff that you might not want known |
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| 22:07.42 | petn-randall | lexvegas: Like? |
| 22:07.47 | ted20 | Nobody knows why this not work? |
| 22:07.48 | thaicares_ | petn-randall I have a thinkpad x201 tablet which has no cd drive... it has never been able to connect to the internet during install as far as I know! I have a 8gb usb drive which I'm loading deb-test-netinstall onto to see if it will boot |
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| 22:08.21 | thaicares_ | I'm sadly doing this from a windows device because the current solydX on the thinkpad is being glitchy too much to use! |
| 22:08.43 | thaicares_ | so I'm using the live usb creator |
| 22:08.46 | petn-randall | thaicares_: Take the netinst image with firmware, if that doesn't work, we can debug the problem. |
| 22:09.01 | thaicares_ | with firmware? |
| 22:09.02 | ted20 | Why it don't work?! http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2011/12/changing-user-agent-new-google-chrome.html |
| 22:09.08 | petn-randall | thaicares_: Don't use unetbootin or similar software, they mangle the devices. |
| 22:09.33 | petn-randall | !doesn't work |
| 22:09.33 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 22:09.47 | thaicares_ | petn-randall unetbootin was what I used first.... now I'm using fedora live usb creator... what would I do in place of that? |
| 22:10.07 | ted20 | petn-randall: May be this's bug? |
| 22:10.48 | petn-randall | thaicares_: 'cp <image.iso> /dev/<devicename>' works reliably if you have access to a Linux system. |
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| 22:11.17 | petn-randall | ted20: Does it get unemployment benefit? |
| 22:11.19 | ted20 | petn-randall: I not recommend this... |
| 22:11.26 | ted20 | petn-randall: Better useing a dd ;) |
| 22:11.31 | ted20 | *using |
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| 22:11.54 | petn-randall | ted20: with dd you have to set the block size by hand, cp does that for you ... |
| 22:11.59 | thaicares_ | I used dd but currently all I have right now is this windows system! |
| 22:12.13 | naptastic | I have a brand-new macbook pro, and after installing Debian, it's in an unbootable state. (Gray screen with a flashing ? folder icon.) Can anyone help? |
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| 22:12.49 | petn-randall | naptastic: How did you install the system? |
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| 22:13.14 | lexvegas | petn-randall: vpn confs, ssh confs, network scripts (firewall) |
| 22:13.38 | naptastic | petn-randall, I made an install USB drive and used the installer. I'm pretty sure it used grub-pc instead of grub-efi. |
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| 22:17.40 | jhutchins | !macbookpro |
| 22:17.41 | dpkg | The MacBook Pro is a laptop series produced by Apple Inc., succeeding the PowerBook G4. http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro . See also <bcm4331>, <laptop>. |
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| 22:19.23 | naptastic | that needs some updating... in late 2011, MBPs still had BIOS options. |
| 22:19.25 | naptastic | No longer. |
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| 22:26.14 | monsterco | Hi everyone - does anyone have experience with Google Cloud Storage as a backup medium? |
| 22:26.44 | monsterco | or any other third party backup? I am looking for off-site backup and want to automate some jobs but never done it and wondering if off-site backup is less hassle than local bakcup |
| 22:26.47 | monsterco | backup* |
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| 22:27.33 | jhutchins | monsterco: I have heard good things about crashplan. |
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| 22:28.18 | HicksD_ | obnam works well. Backups up over sftp to a remote host |
| 22:28.29 | HicksD_ | fully encrypted if you want too. |
| 22:29.29 | HicksD_ | CrashPlan would allow both local and offsite backups to be made and is pretty painless to setup. |
| 22:29.41 | HicksD_ | Obnam takes a bit more legwork but as fully open source I trust it more. |
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| 22:32.08 | monsterco | I have Windows VMs running on Debian as well besides some Debian containers that I want to bakcup - would CrashPlan work for that type of environment |
| 22:32.23 | HicksD_ | Crashplan works fine on mac,linux and windows |
| 22:32.31 | HicksD_ | Obnam doesn't have a windows port afaik |
| 22:32.52 | HicksD_ | You can use the free version if you're backing up to only your own/friends machines too. |
| 22:33.03 | monsterco | what's the cache with CrashPlan? says all free... |
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| 22:33.08 | HicksD_ | they sell a cloud backup option |
| 22:33.12 | HicksD_ | and a real-time version |
| 22:33.20 | vimel | monsterco: google drive works great. i use the free 15gb storage. |
| 22:33.22 | HicksD_ | some options you only get if you sign up to the cloud backup |
| 22:33.34 | HicksD_ | but the free version is fine if you just want to run one backup per day |
| 22:33.50 | HicksD_ | whether it's backing up to a usb drive or another machine you own over the net |
| 22:34.15 | monsterco | I want to backup only changed files and added files after the first full backup - can I do that with all the mentioned backup service providers? I get charged for uploading (bandwidth in data centre is costly) |
| 22:34.25 | HicksD_ | yeah |
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| 22:34.47 | monsterco | Vimel - Yes, google drive is good - I am wondering how google cloud storage is different |
| 22:34.54 | kRush | google drive has linux support? |
| 22:35.10 | vimel | kRush: not yet. |
| 22:35.28 | kRush | err.. |
| 22:35.33 | vimel | kRush: you will have to manually upload from browser. |
| 22:35.47 | drwahl | there is a fuse hack for google drive support |
| 22:35.54 | monsterco | vimel - ah so manual won't work for me |
| 22:35.57 | Chrys0pras3 | Hi, I redirected some archive data to stdin by mistake and now gnome-terminal isn't showing colors. how can I return to my old configuration and check if anything else was changed? |
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| 22:36.02 | monsterco | I definitly need nightly snapshots |
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| 22:36.08 | HicksD_ | I'd say give crashplan free a go |
| 22:36.25 | drwahl | Chrys0pras3: try the "reset" command |
| 22:36.27 | vimel | im sure google drive deb file is in the works. |
| 22:36.30 | HicksD_ | I used it for a few years with multiple people without any issues |
| 22:36.41 | HicksD_ | only dropped it after finding obnam and not needing windows backup anymore. |
| 22:36.43 | monsterco | I see that they have pricing for 1 computer, 2 computer, etc...that doesn't make sense to me - I have Containers and VMs to backup |
| 22:36.57 | Chrys0pras3 | drwahl: it didn't work, also tried dconf but there was no entry for gnome-terminal |
| 22:36.59 | HicksD_ | crashplan or google? |
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| 22:37.05 | monsterco | crashplan* |
| 22:37.17 | HicksD_ | Crashplan have multiple options, free doesn't have any computer limitations |
| 22:37.25 | monsterco | Google Cloud Storage seems complicated - python...build your own thing.... |
| 22:37.32 | monsterco | would be amazing to have a client to take care of things |
| 22:37.55 | HicksD_ | unless you want to backup to their servers or need realtime backups though, free should be sufficient. |
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| 22:38.03 | monsterco | HicksD_ but free one allows me to backup to my own local machine - does it allow to backup to Google for example? |
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| 22:38.13 | monsterco | what does realtime backup mean? |
| 22:38.26 | HicksD_ | realtime backs up everytime a file changes or near enough |
| 22:38.29 | HicksD_ | continually throughout the day |
| 22:38.37 | HicksD_ | free just does one backup per 24h period |
| 22:39.03 | HicksD_ | the free version only lets you backup to computers running the crashplan client, whether that's ones you own, or friends that have given you permission |
| 22:39.16 | HicksD_ | the paid one backs up to crashplans servers |
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| 22:39.26 | HicksD_ | and the corporate one to servers you host |
| 22:40.12 | monsterco | hmmm - real-time backup is interesting - so there is a Windwos client from Crashplan that you install on Windows or on Debian and your files are backed up real-time? |
| 22:40.24 | HicksD_ | in the paid one yes |
| 22:40.30 | monsterco | and you keep different versions based 1 hour or 2 hours or a day or a week? |
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| 22:40.54 | HicksD_ | free and paid keep different versions, their faq should cover it though |
| 22:41.13 | monsterco | I do not want to invest on hardware for backup - I think there are many online option that are cheaper that my own maintenence |
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| 22:41.47 | HicksD_ | Do you have any family/relatives who would run crashplan to let you backup to their computer and vice-versa? |
| 22:42.13 | HicksD_ | *friends |
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| 22:42.39 | deb | *foes |
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| 22:43.45 | petn-randall | monsterco: Remember that if you get something for free, you're not the customer, you're the product. :) |
| 22:44.14 | monsterco | I don't mind paying - I just want to get a quick but reliable solution |
| 22:44.33 | monsterco | Google Cloud Storage makes this way too complicated but I trust them with reliability of data |
| 22:44.37 | HicksD_ | if they still do the family plan that might be find for you |
| 22:44.39 | monsterco | (no saftey) |
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| 22:44.55 | HicksD_ | it used to be unlimited* and no limit on the computers as long as you/family owned them all |
| 22:45.05 | monsterco | HicksD_ their plans are for per computer - i am not sure how my many VMs and Containers fit in that model |
| 22:45.21 | monsterco | this is for business |
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| 22:45.37 | HicksD_ | ah |
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| 22:53.51 | jhutchins | monsterco: Remember too that in cloud plans, you no longer own your data. |
| 22:54.27 | jhutchins | monsterco: They can go away or change the terms at any moment, and while they may say you're encrypted or protected, that can change too. |
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| 22:54.50 | jhutchins | monsterco: This is one reason it's good to have both local physical backup and cloud. |
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| 23:06.39 | arthurfiggis | is there a way to entirely disable usb auto suspend in wheezy? i'd like to see if my wireless mouse/keyboard behaves properly with it turned off :) right now sometimes it registers a mouse click long after it's actually made, the keyboard works fine |
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| 23:12.02 | threexk | hello. When I press <Shift>-Arrow key, I get a letter A, B, C, or D. How to fix? |
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| 23:13.20 | monsterco | jhutchins - NSA and other types of spying has totally killed the perception of security for me so I trust Google with everything now and trust that there is no data that will be safe from prying eyes no matter what |
| 23:13.38 | monsterco | but I can't doubt their reliability |
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| 23:13.58 | monsterco | in the short-term (1 to 2 years) they can be an ideal choice if a quick setup can be made |
| 23:14.41 | threexk | nevermind my question. |
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| 23:18.04 | jhutchins | monsterco: Do be aware of the services that they once offered then suddenly withdrew. |
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| 23:21.38 | berarma | arthurfiggis: you can do it with powertop |
| 23:21.52 | monsterco | jhutchins - no, not paid ones |
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| 23:25.21 | jhutchins | monsterco: Yes, there were a couple last year. |
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| 23:27.05 | jhutchins | monsterco: On the other hand, I am on Google Fiber. |
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| 23:29.10 | monsterco | jhutchins - I envy you - are you happy with it? |
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| 23:29.38 | monsterco | what is most drastic change you feel by being on the gig bit connection? |
| 23:29.52 | monsterco | in terms of your day to day life |
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| 23:30.20 | kRush | being able to DoS Kids off IRC with your home connection prolly =c |
| 23:30.26 | dvs | Use up your limit in 10 minutes |
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| 23:31.27 | kRush | they have bandwith caps? |
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| 23:32.31 | jhutchins | kRush: No metering, bandwidth is 1G both ways. |
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| 23:32.48 | kRush | yeah, that's what I thought |
| 23:32.52 | kRush | do want |
| 23:32.54 | jhutchins | I've been pretty happy with it. It seems a little flaky at times. |
| 23:33.10 | jhutchins | Most internet connections are limited somewhere upstream of me. |
| 23:34.20 | jhutchins | The one place I have really noticed the speed is when connecting to a home system from outside. |
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| 23:36.39 | monsterco | jhutchins - flaky how? maybe you became too sensitive? :) |
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| 23:38.21 | monsterco | so what is the one big advantage you have over other users who connect at 50MB for example? (other than connecting back to home) - do you feel like you are saving a lot of time? or no the connection is an overkill because rest of the internet has not caught up yet |
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| 23:38.56 | monsterco | I can tell that I make more money with my 50Mbps vs the old 10Mbps that I had - everything is just much faster... |
| 23:38.58 | jhutchins | monsterco: This is really not on topic for this channel. |
| 23:39.08 | monsterco | jhutchins - sorry, just intrigued by your speed |
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| 23:39.28 | jhutchins | monsterco: #debian-offtopic if you like. |
| 23:40.51 | napcae | victim of marketing |
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| 23:43.53 | jhutchins | napcae: #debian-offtopic if you'd care to discuss it, but not really. |
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| 23:49.21 | chris062689 | I just got ahold of 4x 3TB WD Red drives. Am looking to build a NAS out of them. What's my best option? RAID-10? BTRFS (RAID 10 Mode)? ZFS? (I have non-ECC Memory!) |
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| 23:49.37 | threexk | Is Xfce a dead project? |
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| 23:49.52 | threexk | I asked #xfce but no one answered. |
| 23:50.05 | elkingrey | I'm trying to find a Debian equivalent of Ubuntu's Wordpress doc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WordPress |
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| 23:50.27 | elkingrey | Does anybody know of one? The Debian docs are confusing to me to navigate and Google isn't helping. |
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| 23:52.03 | mtn | elkingrey: first google hit: https://wiki.debian.org/WordPress |
| 23:52.22 | mtn | threexk: no, xfce is not dead |
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| 23:53.06 | elkingrey | mtn: I suck. Thank you! |
| 23:53.12 | elkingrey | What was your search term? |
| 23:53.23 | elkingrey | That's always my weak spot, is terrible search terms. |
| 23:53.23 | mtn | elkingrey: np. debian wiki wordpress |
| 23:53.33 | elkingrey | ahh, wiki did it. I'll have to remember that |
| 23:53.38 | threexk | "debian wordpress" also works |
| 23:53.51 | horsik | guys if i mount a pendrive |
| 23:54.01 | horsik | and start copying to mountpoint |
| 23:54.05 | elkingrey | I'm terrible. I add superfluous stuff like "repo" and "install" |
| 23:54.08 | threexk | but Google search results may vary depending on various factors |
| 23:54.11 | horsik | does it write right away? |
| 23:54.20 | nightfly | it might |
| 23:54.41 | horsik | why do i have to sync then |
| 23:54.55 | threexk | mtn: OK, good, since I just installed it. I was looking for a GNOME alternative. |
| 23:55.41 | nightfly | because it's not guaranteed to |
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| 23:56.54 | ripero | Hi, I am trying to understand how the file /dev/net/tun appeared in my system; I'm trying apt-file, but it doesn't report anything |
| 23:57.26 | themill | horsik: "cp" will return when the last bytes to copy are queued up; "sync" will return when the last bytes to copy have hit the device. |
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| 23:58.52 | horsik | themill: when i'm copying in mc everything slows down to 2MB/s after "copying" 400MB |
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| 23:59.37 | themill | horsik: so the first part of filling up buffers happens quickly, the rest of the process is much slower |
| 23:59.39 | horsik | before it's as fast as drive where data is |