| 00:00.05 | horsik | buffer of what? |
| 00:00.44 | _FBi | how would I echo apt-get to a file? |
| 00:01.35 | _FBi | like: apt-get install file | echo >> file.txt |
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| 00:02.54 | ripero | I would like to know if it is created by a vpn-related package or not |
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| 00:05.57 | Brigo | _FBi: apt-get install > file |
| 00:06.10 | Brigo | _FBi: apt-get install package > file.txt |
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| 00:06.15 | _FBi | thanks |
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| 00:07.19 | Brigo | welcome |
| 00:07.28 | themill | _FBi: be careful that apt (or dpkg or debconf) might want to prompt you with questions that you will not see if you're redirecting output like that. Using "script" might be better. |
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| 00:07.56 | Brigo | themill: "script"? new option? |
| 00:07.57 | _FBi | haha good point themill |
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| 00:08.27 | themill | Brigo: script(1) from bsdutils |
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| 00:08.54 | themill | (you'll already have that package installed) |
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| 00:09.14 | Brigo | themill: mmm, interesting, new for me :-) |
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| 00:10.20 | kRush | why not just look in /var/log/apt/term.log? *shrug* |
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| 00:18.10 | jhutchins | _FBi: You might also be interested in using aptitude install file | tee file.txt |
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| 00:42.16 | thaicares | So I had a successful deb test netiinstall :D I just need to setup the wireless driver any help? |
| 00:43.15 | mrdeb | hi |
| 00:43.23 | mrdeb | cannot add account to empathy. need to install something? |
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| 00:45.09 | thaicares_ | Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6200 |
| 00:45.27 | Brigo | thaicares_: probably what you need is wireless firmware from non-free repositories |
| 00:45.29 | thaicares_ | I have it installed and tried to unpack the tgz but it doesn't show up in the same dir /Downloads |
| 00:45.50 | thaicares_ | Brigo I do believe it is non-free |
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| 00:46.10 | thaicares_ | is it better to do it from synaptic or just unpack the tar file? |
| 00:46.18 | Brigo | what tar file? |
| 00:46.30 | thaicares_ | iwlwifi-6000-ucode-9.221.4.1.tgz |
| 00:46.38 | thaicares_ | http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi/?n=downloads |
| 00:46.39 | Brigo | do you have non-free repositories configured? |
| 00:46.45 | vimel | thaicares_: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 00:46.51 | thaicares_ | Brigo it is a fresh install :/ |
| 00:46.53 | thaicares_ | idk |
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| 00:47.28 | vimel | thaicares_: download the file from here then run dpkg -i to install it https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-iwlwifi |
| 00:47.29 | Brigo | thaicares_: idk? |
| 00:48.04 | thaicares_ | If I'm not mistaken the testing is named jessie? and they don't have instructions for jessie, wheezy would work though right? |
| 00:48.23 | Brigo | yes, are you using wheezy? |
| 00:48.44 | thaicares_ | I'm using testing not too sure what name they have given it :/ |
| 00:48.53 | vimel | testing is jessie |
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| 00:48.58 | Imbue | thaicares_: testing is currently called jessie |
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| 00:49.14 | Imbue | the difference is that eventually testing will be something else, and jessie will be stable |
| 00:49.30 | Brigo | thaicares_: better do like vimel told you, download that package and install it |
| 00:50.03 | thaicares_ | Ok thought it was jessie! |
| 00:50.41 | vimel | thaicares_: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-iwlwifi_0.40_all.deb |
| 00:50.48 | thaicares_ | dpkg -i <filename> is the right way to do it RIGHT! |
| 00:50.49 | dpkg | installs <filename> is the right way to do it RIGHT! into thaicares_'s head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 00:51.16 | thaicares_ | this ---> dpkg -i <filename> is the right way to do it RIGHT! |
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| 00:52.06 | thaicares_ | vimel so the last link you sent NOT the previous? |
| 00:52.34 | vimel | thaicares_: youll need to reboot after install. yep. that link is the direct download to your wifi driver assuming you are using jessie. |
| 00:52.52 | mrdeb | does video work in telepathy with google talk |
| 00:53.10 | vimel | copy it over to your target system then install it, reboot. you should have wifi. |
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| 00:56.04 | thaicares_ | isn't quite working --> # dpkg -i home/thaicares/Downloads/firmware-iwlwifi_0.40_all.deb |
| 00:56.10 | thaicares_ | not finding the deb |
| 00:57.08 | Brigo | try dpkg -i &home/thaicares/Downloads/firmware-iwlwifi_0.40_all.deb |
| 00:57.14 | Brigo | try dpkg -i /home/thaicares/Downloads/firmware-iwlwifi_0.40_all.deb |
| 00:57.15 | Brigo | sorry |
| 00:57.30 | Brigo | the first / is important too. |
| 00:57.55 | thaicares_ | Brigo I was blind! |
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| 00:58.09 | thaicares_ | tried like five other things kept looking over that!!! |
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| 00:58.32 | thaicares_ | so after unpacking there is no need to move files NOR anything, right? |
| 00:58.40 | thaicares_ | no /lib/firmware ?? |
| 00:59.25 | Brigo | no, dpkg install it in the right place |
| 00:59.35 | wols_ | thaicares_: you install the firmware (it's not a driver) like any debian package with dpkg -i |
| 00:59.40 | thaicares_ | looks like it unpacked in the right place :D SO I WILL BE GONE! Hope when I'm back I am wireless :D |
| 01:00.10 | Brigo | thaicares_: you have wireless now |
| 01:00.36 | Brigo | only you have to do is reload the driver. |
| 01:00.48 | thaicares_ | wols_ not tooo familiar with dpkg nor linux but it is almost driving out the worthless windows knowledge :D |
| 01:01.03 | thaicares_ | I'll try Brigo! |
| 01:01.14 | thaicares_ | c ya |
| 01:01.20 | Brigo | thaicares_: modprobe -r iwlwifi to remove it |
| 01:01.32 | Brigo | modprobe iwlwifi for load it |
| 01:01.48 | thaicares_ | why would I want to remove it? |
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| 01:02.45 | Brigo | you need to reload it they read the firmware |
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| 02:08.17 | rmzelnick | Hi there, I did a debian minimal install on my pc and know I'm trying to install xorg, however there are many dependency packages here for xorg drivers, but I only want *some* drivers not all of them =s |
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| 02:09.38 | centrx | rmzelnick, How about xserver-xorg-core |
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| 02:10.05 | themill | rmzelnick: just install the driver you want first |
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| 02:10.37 | rmzelnick | themill: such as evdev keyboard mouse nvidia etc, right? |
| 02:10.53 | rmzelnick | Then they won't be pulled correct? |
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| 02:11.08 | themill | from memory, es |
| 02:11.10 | themill | yes |
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| 02:11.28 | rmzelnick | ok lemme see |
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| 02:14.25 | rmzelnick | I'm glad I finally found out how to do a minimal install using debian. I had previously installed and had massive trouble removing gnome. |
| 02:15.23 | centrx | rmzelnick, dpkg -l, apt-get autoremove, and deborphan can be helpful in that situation |
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| 02:15.40 | dvs | rmzelnick: like unmark "Desktop Environment" during the install? |
| 02:15.51 | rmzelnick | dvs: yes haha |
| 02:16.22 | rmzelnick | How to I tell apt-get to ask before installing? |
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| 02:16.35 | themill | it always does |
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| 02:16.57 | rmzelnick | themill: Not with me.. I just installed irssi and it didn't ask me. |
| 02:17.04 | themill | (unless it's doing only what you asked it to do, in which case, why ask again?) |
| 02:17.08 | rmzelnick | But you're right when it comes to xorg. |
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| 02:17.54 | Stainedhat | not always.. if there are many dependencies and suggested programs it will ask, if tehre is only the package you ask to install it will install just that package wthout asking |
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| 02:19.01 | rmzelnick | also can I mix aptitude with apt-get? |
| 02:19.10 | themill | yes |
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| 02:22.23 | rmzelnick | Stainedhat: but then how to explicitly tell apt-get to ask? |
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| 02:24.07 | Stainedhat | rmzelnick: I'm not sure if you can. I know you can pass it -y to automatically approve them but I don't know if you can force it to prompt |
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| 02:25.18 | rmzelnick | Stainedhat: how about --assume-no then? |
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| 02:26.03 | un214 | wow never thought I'd want apt-get to always ask |
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| 02:27.20 | Stainedhat | Well he left but I was gonna say an alternate solution would be to run it with -s or --dry-run |
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| 02:43.07 | rryoumaa | there is an option to always ask |
| 02:43.15 | rryoumaa | also there is yes(1) |
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| 03:15.01 | thaicares | I'm havvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvving a lot of issues |
| 03:15.29 | thaicares | allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll those v's and l's |
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| 03:16.53 | thaicares | my system freezes and gets stuck on whatever character last pressed!! |
| 03:17.44 | thaicares | only for a little but it takes a lot of maintanence |
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| 03:18.44 | thaicares | it was doing it on my last 2 distro's as well |
| 03:19.10 | thaicares | so what could be persisting? |
| 03:20.50 | drwahl | thaicares: sounds like your video driver might be messed up. anything in /var/log/messages? |
| 03:21.04 | drwahl | also, run dstat and see if you can find what's causing the slowdown |
| 03:21.08 | thaicares | how do I check? |
| 03:21.36 | drwahl | check /var/log/messages and /var/log/Xorg.log |
| 03:21.40 | thaicares | I can't move the mouse when it freezes |
| 03:21.55 | drwahl | hit "ctrl + alt + f1" to get to the root console |
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| 03:23.22 | thaicares | could it by iwlwifi? |
| 03:24.46 | thaicares | be* |
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| 03:36.16 | thaicares | service to paste dmesg to? |
| 03:37.49 | thaicares | everything taekes 12 times longeeeeer |
| 03:37.58 | thaicares | daaamn |
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| 04:17.39 | [gnubie] | in sympa, how to force send files inside the /var/spool/sympa/distribute/ directory? |
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| 04:57.21 | whmark | I'm having poor 3D video performance on Debian stable. Anyone know what might be the problem? (I also have installed, on a different partition, Parabola but 3D video works fine with it) |
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| 04:59.42 | centrx | whmark, Did you install the drivers for your video card? |
| 04:59.45 | whmark | yes nouveau is installed |
| 04:59.47 | Spec | Hi! I believe a sata cable got knocked out of my raid array between reboots. Now my raid-5 (mdadm) array is in a "clean, degraded" state and /dev/sda1 is not in the pool according to mdadm |
| 04:59.52 | whmark | could it be that the drivers aren't up to date? |
| 04:59.58 | Spec | I've replugged in the drive and linux sees it, and reports no errors. What's the best way to handle this scenario? |
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| 05:14.21 | Spec | I am gathering I should just: mdadm --manage /dev/md0 -a /dev/sda1 to re-add and resynchronize the array. any confirmation? :) |
| 05:14.22 | whmark | anyone know what might be causing the problem I'm having? I'm really confused since I don't experience it it Parabola |
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| 05:24.23 | xormor | my debian did not break when I upgraded it. it broke once during the upgrade process. |
| 05:24.42 | centrx | Tell me more |
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| 05:30.33 | KDr2 | Hi all, how could I change my default browser? I changed /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser ref to chromiun by "update-alternatives", but my default browser is still firefox |
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| 05:30.50 | KDr2 | I use fluxbox as my WM |
| 05:31.21 | KDr2 | the alternative about browser: /etc/alternatives/gnome-www-browser -> /usr/bin/chromium |
| 05:31.30 | KDr2 | and /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/chromium |
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| 05:33.32 | unclezipper | KDr2, how have you determined that it's not your default browser? |
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| 05:34.28 | KDr2 | I click links in xchat, qterm, and other applications, they were opened in firefox |
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| 05:38.08 | unclezipper | KDr2, check the settings in those programs to see if they might be configured to override the system default browser... I'm looking around to see if I can find anything else that might be useful |
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| 05:38.32 | KDr2 | OK, thanks very much |
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| 05:45.34 | KDr2 | unclezipper: I found none settings about browser in these applications, but I found another thing, if I right click an email address and choose 'open', chormium(with gmail in it) is used, if I do this on a http link, firefox is used |
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| 05:46.47 | unclezipper | KDr2, try this command out to see if mime apps might be messing with things... `grep http ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list` |
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| 05:48.45 | KDr2 | Oh, yes, that's it |
| 05:48.49 | KDr2 | x-scheme-handler/http=userapp-Firefox-W30NQW.desktop; |
| 05:48.49 | KDr2 | x-scheme-handler/https=userapp-Firefox-W30NQW.desktop; |
| 05:48.49 | KDr2 | x-scheme-handler/http=userapp-Firefox-I8APVW.desktop |
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| 05:50.31 | KDr2 | I'm sorry for the multi-lines pasting, I was kicked by debhelper |
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| 05:51.39 | unclezipper | It happens. Now you know :P Anyway, you should be able to use a text editor to change the offending lines in ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list |
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| 05:52.19 | KDr2 | OK, thanks again |
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| 05:53.18 | unclezipper | Not a problem... You should just be able to change it to chromium.desktop, but be sure that it exists first.... `ls /usr/share/applications | grep -i chromium` |
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| 06:01.47 | elkingrey | This might be a stupid question, but there are a ton of amazing programs out there that aren't in the Debian repo. What does it take to get a maintainer to package a program for the repo? Is there always going to be a glut of tons of programs that can't make it? How is this issue going to get solved? |
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| 06:03.05 | themill | dpkg: tell elkingrey about itp |
| 06:03.58 | elkingrey | themill: I'm not sure if that answered my question or not because frankly I didn't understand any of it. =( |
| 06:04.18 | themill | elkingrey: things get packaged by people who would like them to be packaged |
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| 06:04.56 | elkingrey | So, not goombas like me, but maintainers, right? So, we have to get a maintainer to like a package enough to want to package it. |
| 06:05.04 | elkingrey | I mean, like a program enough to package it |
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| 06:05.42 | themill | nothing's stopping you from learning how to package things ... ;) |
| 06:05.47 | elkingrey | I notice there are only 200 maintainers, for 40,000 packages. It seems to me like we need a lot more maintainers, why isn't this happening? |
| 06:05.57 | themill | there are about 2000 maintainers |
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| 06:06.10 | visceral | elkingrey, are you counting source or binary packages? |
| 06:06.25 | visceral | (because you should be counting source) |
| 06:06.28 | elkingrey | I only see 202 here: https://nm.debian.org/public/people/dm_all |
| 06:07.03 | themill | elkingrey: that's only people who are "Debian Maintainers". That's not "Debian Developers" (about 1000) or "other maintainers" (about 900ish) |
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| 06:07.44 | elkingrey | Okay, how does a noobish person like me become a maintainer. Because if it doesn't require TOO MUCH skill, I'll happily maintain a bunch of programs I'd like to see in the repo |
| 06:07.52 | themill | dpkg: tell elkingrey about nmg |
| 06:08.49 | elkingrey | Okay, thanks themill. I've got several pages to read up on now. |
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| 06:16.24 | elkingrey | themill: Where do I find a mentor? |
| 06:17.01 | themill | elkingrey: debian doesn't do "a mentor" but a place where you can ask questions. Once you've got something concrete to ask questions about, /msg dpkg mentors |
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| 06:17.41 | elkingrey | ok |
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| 06:28.27 | Lachezar | Hey all. Where does Debian get it's locales from? I'm puzzled as to why my time format has comma as separator. |
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| 06:35.26 | Lachezar | How does one 'petition' or otherwise influence the locale information? |
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| 06:43.28 | themill | locale information is maintained as part of glibc. You can 'reportbug locales' with updates -- please provide references to national standards where possible. |
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| 06:49.35 | tiron | Is there a way to grant user2 permission run to run command X as user1, but specifically for that command? |
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| 06:50.19 | Lachezar | themill: Ahh... National standards... That's unfortunate. The standards are quite weird here: months are represented by an Roman Numeric: extremely hard to sort and read. |
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| 06:53.14 | Lachezar | tiron: yes: in /etc/sudoers (or a new file in /etc/sudoers.d): nagios ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/hpacucli |
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| 06:56.15 | Lachezar | tiron: that was a bit premature, but there is way, check 'man sudoers' |
| 06:57.10 | tiron | Lachezar: yeah, cause it'd have to check a specific command, jsut making sure it can be done before I scour the docs, but I'll look in the man, thanks |
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| 06:57.38 | elkingrey | themill: Do maitainers need to know code? I know very little code, nothing professional grade. Also, I see this option RFP request for package. That might be more my style. Just sort of like throwing a penny in a well, a simple wish for somebody to package it. Better than nothing, you know |
| 06:57.52 | Lachezar | I'd like to put an environment variable for a user's X session, but I fail to do so, what is the proper way to set an environment variable in X for the X, X Applications and Console and Console applications (launched in X). |
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| 06:58.32 | centrx | elkingrey, Yes |
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| 07:03.29 | elkingrey | Why don't more developers maintain/package their own software for the Debian repo? |
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| 07:05.39 | centrx | elkingrey, Debian has the most packaged software of any distribution. |
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| 07:06.04 | centrx | elkingrey, It is not a trivial process to become a Debian Developer |
| 07:06.12 | centrx | elkingrey, But there are more than a thousand Debian Developers. |
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| 07:09.51 | Lachezar | elkingrey: Commonly developers are expected to DEVELOP the product. Packaging and distributing is not really trivial, and there are multiple packaging systems. Commonly developers provide packages for the Distribution of their choice, and expect somebody else to package the product for their Distribution of choice. |
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| 07:16.15 | rjsalts | elkingrey: some upstreams provide a spec and/or a /debian directory, but they're not necessarily going to be helpful for any particular distribution using rpm or dpkg respectively. e.g. names of packages differ between redhat and suse, or debian and ubuntu in some cases |
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| 07:30.38 | Lachezar | RE. It works: I can 'export LOCPATH=$HOME/.locales' in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55locpath and use user-declared locales. |
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| 08:03.31 | mepl | I am using ftp over ssh and I want to change the root directory of my newly created user so that when I connect with ftp over ssh I end up in /var/tmp/ not /home/myuser/. Inside my sshd_config I have changed the chrootdirectory with no change. |
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| 08:06.19 | babilen | mepl: Could you paste the exact modifications you performed to http://paste.debian.net ? Did you restart the server? |
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| 08:08.44 | mepl | the sshd modifications? |
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| 08:10.22 | mepl | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/82661/ |
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| 08:11.31 | kania | good morning |
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| 08:12.44 | babilen | mepl: Hmm, haven't seen the " /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server" in the middle there - Where's that from? Did you restart the server? |
| 08:12.52 | mepl | default |
| 08:13.04 | mepl | am restarting it now, I believe I've done it before aswell |
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| 08:13.49 | krababbel | mepl: Could it be a missing trailing slash? |
| 08:14.01 | mepl | nope |
| 08:14.17 | mepl | That would not send me to my home directory, they should both work. |
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| 08:14.52 | babilen | mepl: it looks alright |
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| 08:15.40 | mepl | cant connect at all now after reboot |
| 08:15.43 | mepl | "Network refused", nice |
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| 08:16.19 | babilen | mepl: Why did you reboot? |
| 08:16.36 | babilen | But that's not really important, you can't connect now. |
| 08:16.44 | mepl | cant even ssh localhost on the machine |
| 08:16.48 | mepl | Connection refused |
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| 08:17.43 | babilen | mepl: That means that the service is not running (or a firewall is blocking it, but that's unlikely) |
| 08:18.20 | mepl | Directive 'UsePAM' is not allowed within a Match block I see... I forgot to end the match block? |
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| 08:19.56 | mepl | there we go |
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| 08:20.16 | babilen | mepl: is it the last entry in the file? |
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| 08:20.50 | mepl | yeah, moved it up. |
| 08:23.16 | mepl | Reboot fixed it |
| 08:23.41 | mepl | Nice feature... this is a server, I have to reboot it each time I change a users chrootdirectory? |
| 08:23.51 | babilen | No, surely not |
| 08:24.17 | babilen | mepl: You have to restart the OpenSSH server. A simple "service ssh restart" is what you need. |
| 08:24.36 | mepl | I see |
| 08:24.42 | mepl | what happens to the already existing ssh sessions? |
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| 08:25.16 | babilen | mepl: Take a look into reload, but running sessions are being kept open. |
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| 08:27.36 | babilen | mepl: You can also send it the SIGHUP signal so it reloads its configuration (that would be the very direct measure), but existing sessions should™ be kept open. |
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| 08:33.49 | katana- | hi |
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| 08:34.28 | katana- | has anyone noticed that the new flashplugin (I just installed the latest debian and upgraded things) is crashing constantly? is there any fix for this? I wasn't able to downgrade to a previous more stable version |
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| 08:56.08 | mepl | I am using FTP over SSH and I've Chrooted one user to /var/tmp however, I can only view, I need to be able to edit and add files. I tried to make my user owner of the folder, but when I do that I cannot connect over FTP to it anymore. Does FTP over SSH and Chroot require the folder to be owned by root? What is the solution to this issue? |
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| 08:57.22 | mepl | also if I change the permission on that folder tmp to 777, I cannot connect to it either... I mean what the hell |
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| 08:57.43 | Zambezi | I have some video codecs problems in Wheezy. Videos suddenly quits with errors, sound lagging. not eable to jump forward/backward. I don't use third party repos. Just the basics from the wiki. |
| 08:58.00 | Zambezi | And using alsa since pulseaudio is just silent. |
| 08:58.42 | SPF | mepl: if you use ftp (not sftp) then you are connected to ftpd right? maybe you need to check the ftpd configuration |
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| 09:23.16 | mepl | SPF: ftpd? I do not even have FTPD installed |
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| 09:24.19 | cloromorpho | ftpd= ftp daemon |
| 09:24.43 | mepl | basically my jailed sftp user, I cannot change its permissions. Then I get kicked out. |
| 09:24.45 | mepl | Not a ftpd issue |
| 09:24.47 | oo_miguel | Can I somehow slow down the messages apeearing during the bootup of the kernel. I get some CallTrace and it stops, but would love to see whats is above it |
| 09:25.01 | mepl | permissions of the chroot folder to say |
| 09:25.22 | CybDev | hook it up to a serial console and log it ;-) |
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| 09:25.56 | wols | oo_miguel: press "pause"? or maybe check your logs |
| 09:26.00 | Lachezar | oo_miguel: SHIFT+PAGE-UP |
| 09:26.43 | SPF | dmesg? |
| 09:26.55 | mepl | I had to jail my user to the root of tmp/ |
| 09:26.56 | mepl | wierd |
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| 09:27.23 | oo_miguel | the boot_delay paramater seems to work for me... |
| 09:27.59 | oo_miguel | wols, Lachezar, SPF : the kernel stops before I can use the keyboard at all |
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| 09:28.58 | Lachezar | oo_miguel: I've had (occasional) success with SHIFT+PAGE-UP even after kernel panics |
| 09:29.15 | oo_miguel | Lachezar: oh ok, does not work in my case for some reason :( |
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| 09:29.47 | Lachezar | oo_miguel: bummer! Does pumping 'Pause' not work? |
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| 09:30.46 | oo_miguel | tried this one too, but does not work |
| 09:31.17 | Lachezar | loudly curses Lenovo for removing Pause button from the keyboard. |
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| 09:31.44 | SPF | oo_miguel: maybe you can downclock your cpu in the bios :P |
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| 09:32.13 | oo_miguel | hehe Ill have a look, thankx SPF ;) |
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| 09:33.02 | elkingrey | Is it possible to pay maintainers to package a program for the repo? Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like there's a serious lack of market forces at work in which programs maintainers package. |
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| 09:38.06 | berarma | elkingrey: is that program suitable for Debian? |
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| 09:39.26 | wols | elkingrey: of course it is. afaik various DDs do commercial debian support |
| 09:39.34 | elkingrey | I'm just speaking in general, but yes, the program would definitely have to be suitable for Debian. It's just that there are a lot of programs that are suitable for Debian. I don't have the skills to maintain a package myself, and there seems to be too few maintainers to package all of the cool new programs that are out there. |
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| 09:40.16 | elkingrey | wols: How do I get into that? Would love to learn more about that. I would gladly throw down a little money to make sure my favorite programs made it into Jessie. |
| 09:40.41 | halt | Morning all, one of my package went crazy, I use the logwatch, and it's report all the IP what visited the site, as they tryed to attack the site, I purged the conf and reinstalled the pacakge but still I'm getting mails like this "A total of 1036 sites probed the server" for sure it can not be true |
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| 09:40.51 | wols | I doubt it would be a "little money" |
| 09:41.15 | elkingrey | wols: Does it have to be a DD? Couldn't it be a simple maintainer? |
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| 09:41.19 | berarma | !tell elkingrey -about wnpp |
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| 09:41.47 | berarma | elkingrey: a maintainer should be a DD |
| 09:41.58 | elkingrey | berarma: I already know about that. I just created an RFP for a program I like. |
| 09:42.38 | elkingrey | But there are a ton of RFP's out there. I'd love to put some money behind mine if it helped ensure that it made it into Jessie. |
| 09:42.47 | katana- | Where can I learn about the best computer types to run debian or other linux systems on? |
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| 09:43.02 | wols | !tell katana- about best |
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| 09:44.36 | katana- | I mean that linux should run well on it - like having had a lot of testing and fixes and improvements.. it should freeze up and force me to do a hard reset if I change brightness (like my current linux system) and it should be able to slow down when it gets hot so it doesn't overheat and do a hardboot - things like that |
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| 09:45.01 | katana- | which computer parts/types is debian most stable on |
| 09:45.15 | katana- | shouldn't** argh |
| 09:45.32 | elkingrey | katana: If you're looking to buy a new computer I would highly recommend thinkpenguin.com. They sell desktops and laptops that are 100% Debian compatible and run well. |
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| 09:46.05 | wols | katana-: laptop or desktop? |
| 09:46.56 | katana- | i want to get price down so whichever is cheaper - I got the idea that picking out parts would be cheaper than a pre-built thing (but I don't know if this is correct) |
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| 09:47.54 | elkingrey | katana: This might help you. http://h-node.org/home/index/en |
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| 09:48.20 | katana- | that's great! |
| 09:48.23 | wols | katana-: answer the question: laptop or desktop? |
| 09:48.38 | wols | cause desktops rarely overheat if done right. and you can't build your own laptop realistically |
| 09:48.38 | katana- | wols, which ever is cheaper - I think desktop is cheaper so let's go with that |
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| 09:48.55 | wols | katana-: then I suggest ##hardware. this is the channel for that |
| 09:49.05 | katana- | thank you |
| 09:49.22 | wols | but no desktop has any problems except new hardware where debian stable has no drives for it yet |
| 09:49.38 | elkingrey | katana: Double check with http://h-node.org/home/index/en because you don't want to buy hardware that is incompatible with free software. |
| 09:49.38 | katana- | oh that's great to hear |
| 09:49.54 | katana- | elkingrey, yeah definitely - this site looks really useful |
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| 09:50.30 | elkingrey | katana: It's OK, but not a bad idea to go to thinkpenguin.com and get the specs for their computer and build yourself, if you think you can do it cheaper. |
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| 11:00.00 | hlpp | how to fix my grub. system does not boot |
| 11:00.53 | Lachezar | hlpp: Using a live CD/USB… |
| 11:00.55 | hlpp | grub files got demaged. i. jwed to recreate all files oj boot and tje kbr |
| 11:01.22 | hlpp | the mbr |
| 11:02.12 | hlpp | using debian netinstall or which livecdk |
| 11:02.36 | hlpp | what commands would do it |
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| 11:04.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell hlpp about fixmbr |
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| 11:04.39 | hlpp | not just mbr also files in boot |
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| 11:06.12 | hlpp | ok. and can net install work as such livecd or just normal cd |
| 11:07.51 | babilen | hlpp: Yes, I was aware of that. It is simply the name of the factoid, don't make assumptions you haven't yet verified |
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| 11:09.34 | anonnumberanon | the shutdown command really really needs to be fixed it is absolutely autistic |
| 11:09.37 | anonnumberanon | have a nice day |
| 11:09.45 | hallfire | hi :) |
| 11:10.06 | anonnumberanon | huey |
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| 11:11.21 | anonnumberanon | shutdown [-akrhPHfFnc] [-t sec] time [warning message] |
| 11:11.32 | anonnumberanon | Can someone learn me to use this syntax? |
| 11:12.53 | CissWit | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.59 | berarma | anonnumberanon: man shutdown |
| 11:13.09 | CissWit | or use "halt" or "reboot" that are aliases that use shutdown the good way to halt or reboot |
| 11:13.12 | hlpp | shutdown -h -t 10 now We are shutting down guys |
| 11:13.34 | CissWit | or maybe not btw |
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| 11:13.51 | Bitcho | hi, good day |
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| 11:15.05 | anonnumberanon | reading man |
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| 11:18.24 | anonnumberanon | "if you want to turn off the hardware, please buy 6 books and become an OP at #osdev" |
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| 11:20.03 | hlpp | anonnumberanon or use gui or use command like afair halt or google ot |
| 11:20.53 | berarma | anonnumberanon: or just do "poweroff" or "halt" |
| 11:21.33 | anonnumberanon | I am not running a gui this is a project machine without X. Also I want to learn to turn it off without the physical power button. |
| 11:21.52 | anonnumberanon | berama that sounds good ill try |
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| 11:29.38 | finga | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.16 | finga | found it, thx |
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| 11:38.26 | indieross | http://imgur.com/vLOn86A any idea why im getting an ugly light square on monitor no.1 during the lock screen? nvidia331.38/sid and i have a monitors.xml file in ~/.config and /usr/share/gdm3/.config |
| 11:39.18 | mepl | It's not ugly. |
| 11:39.25 | mepl | Keep it |
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| 11:40.12 | indieross | it's displaying a 1024x1280 wallpaper over my 1920x1080 and does not match my desktop wallpaper resolutions |
| 11:40.23 | indieross | it bug meh |
| 11:40.35 | indieross | bugssszz* |
| 11:41.19 | onur | Hi. I am trying to set up a chroot env. Size matters for me and I need to install nvidia-driver. I don't need kernel/kernel module. Can I ignore nvidia-kernel-dkms when installing nvidia driver? |
| 11:41.26 | anonnumberanon | init 0, poweroff, shutdown -h now, halt, will turn off your debian machine |
| 11:41.40 | anonnumberanon | thanks berama |
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| 11:43.46 | osfd | do you know a chm viewer that allows you to make the text no larger that 80 chars ? |
| 11:43.49 | osfd | please |
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| 11:46.22 | themill | osfd: kchmviewer lets you pick whatever window width you want |
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| 11:47.51 | osfd | themill: let's have a look |
| 11:47.53 | osfd | thank you |
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| 11:50.32 | syntaks | hey folks |
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| 11:51.20 | syntaks | i've got snmpd running on a virtualbox vm and it responds to local requests. firewall's open, no issue there if i specify tcp over udp i can connect and the daemon responds with incomplete packet in the logs. however, when i try to walk the ro community, i get a timeout |
| 11:51.30 | syntaks | remotely, that is |
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| 11:52.31 | syntaks | anyone familiar with it? |
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| 11:54.41 | tapout_ | is there a way to take duplicate files and turn them into hardlinks? I somehow, a long time ago, copied my rsnapshot folders over and ended up with a lot of duplicate files, instead of hardlinks, anyway to correct this? |
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| 11:57.16 | themill | tapout_: there are sufficiently many deduplicators that we need a deduplication-tool-deduplicator. (fdupes is one of the more popular ones) |
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| 11:57.29 | jelly | tapout_: look at fdupes or fslint or dunno, "apt-cache search duplicat" |
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| 11:59.08 | tapout_ | thanks fellas |
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| 12:07.26 | glycol | is it normal if some wheezy-backport package breaks things like ia32-libs? |
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| 12:09.11 | glycol | it seems like the latest iceweasel backport has a new libnss3 which broke things |
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| 12:09.57 | rgammans | Does some know how to change the screenblank timeout in Jessie/Gnome3.8 . Mine seems to have become 15seconds. Its very annoying |
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| 12:11.16 | glycol | rgammans: on wheezy it's system settings > brightness and lock, i guess it can't be too different on jessie |
| 12:11.47 | rgammans | glycol, You'd thing so.. But I cant' find a 'Brightness & Lock' panel in 'Settings' |
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| 12:16.08 | glycol | rgammans: Settings -> Power -> Blank Screen? |
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| 12:17.51 | rgammans | Ah. yes thats the setting. It seems to set to 5 minutes, not 15 seconds. Somethign else must be the problem. |
| 12:18.08 | rgammans | I've just restarted the shell, incase it was getting upitty. |
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| 12:18.43 | glycol | http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/107789/51033 seems relevant |
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| 12:20.20 | rgammans | Sort of. Thats the cli interface to the saem backend. I think etiher shell was being confused or recievin random dbus stuff. |
| 12:20.34 | rgammans | I'm goint ot wat and see if restart ing the shell has cured it.... |
| 12:20.42 | rgammans | *going to wait* |
| 12:21.26 | rgammans | gycol - thanks. |
| 12:21.36 | glycol | ;) |
| 12:22.02 | rgammans | Oh, no it hasn't |
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| 12:22.39 | rgammans | The some dbus monitor command , I recall..... Hmm |
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| 12:28.23 | naptastic | Is there a way (Wheezy) to install Debian, and *not* install a bootloader? |
| 12:28.36 | naptastic | to tell the installer, *do not touch* the bootloader? |
| 12:29.39 | rgammans | dbus-monitor , but it's not seeing anything when the screen blanks |
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| 12:31.43 | uwjesq | Hello, is there a way to create a new debian installation from a running debian system? |
| 12:31.54 | rgammans | uwjesq, debootstrap? |
| 12:32.12 | uwjesq | I mean I want to install a fresh debian on another HD. |
| 12:32.22 | uwjesq | rgammans: Googling this right now. |
| 12:33.25 | glycol | naptastic: if you install in expert mode you may be able to skip the bootloader install step |
| 12:34.03 | Brigo | uwjesq: why? |
| 12:34.18 | rgammans | This is unusable - I'm goint to log in/out again to see waht happens. |
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| 12:34.51 | naptastic | glycol, that's worth a shot. Reading... |
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| 12:37.09 | naptastic | (I installed Fedora in order to get the bootloader set up right--it's the only OS other than OSX that will do it right on this hardware--and now I want to just overwrite Fedora with Debian.) |
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| 12:38.05 | uwjesq | Brigo: I was just wondering if there was a way to install debian on my other HD and do all the backing up from my current broken HD and then just boot in the new fully functionall system without setup. Seems like this is not a very common usecase. So I guess I use the installer then. |
| 12:38.12 | rast | if I set up my smtpd server to deliver emails to the users in my system (users added with useradd) as in "deliver to mbox" rule... in debian, where is this "default mbox" for each user? |
| 12:38.55 | viscera | uwjesq, debootstrap is in fedora |
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| 12:39.37 | Brigo | uwjesq: i done it some time for changing hd. |
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| 12:39.44 | glycol | naptastic: so debian's bootloader messed up things before? |
| 12:40.06 | Brigo | uwjesq: firs install debian (only base system), then copy /etc and /home |
| 12:40.10 | naptastic | glycol, It sure did :-D Rendered the system totally unbootable from the hard disk. |
| 12:40.40 | uwjesq | Brigo: No way to install the base system without having to reboot and run the installer I suppose.... |
| 12:40.44 | naptastic | glycol, it's a late-2013 Macbook Pro. I do not expect Linux distributions to do "the right thing" for it. Fedora surprised me, frankly. |
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| 12:41.19 | lotherk | how would one add smtp_accept_queue_per_connection to exim4 without using split config and without adding a macro to exim4.conf.template? |
| 12:41.21 | glycol | naptastic: not sure what will happen to the bootloader when there's a kernel upgrade ;) |
| 12:41.32 | Brigo | uwjesq: well, you can copy all the system and then install grub from chroot |
| 12:41.53 | naptastic | glycol, once the install is finished, I'll install refind, which should handle all of that automagically. |
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| 12:42.36 | uwjesq | Brigo: That is another option, thank you. |
| 12:42.40 | uwjesq | Thanks everyone. |
| 12:42.48 | Brigo | uwjesq: it can be easy, if you have all in one partition. |
| 12:43.12 | naptastic | glycol, and if it doesn't, I'll hold my nose and use Fedora instead! ;) |
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| 12:44.37 | glycol | naptastic: even if the bootloader does get messed you can boot the fedora livecd and just update-grub/something similar |
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| 12:47.23 | naptastic | glycol, actually that's a good point. If it gets borked I'll try that... though I think this is going to work. :) |
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| 12:49.34 | glycol | naptastic: mac osx may mess it up too, i know window 8 did |
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| 12:50.46 | naptastic | glycol, yeah, that's fine. I have no intention of dual-booting this machine. %$@# OS X. |
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| 13:10.48 | xgl | hi all |
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| 13:20.09 | tomwp | I'm installing postgresql-9.1 in debian 7 for the first time, but not against the / etc / PosgreSQL. Only the / etc / postgresql-common. Why? |
| 13:21.31 | glycol | wat |
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| 13:22.41 | pfote | tomwp: what exactly did you install` |
| 13:22.43 | pfote | ? |
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| 13:23.25 | tomwp | pfote: tried to install postgresql-9.1 |
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| 13:24.19 | pfote | you tried, or you DID install it? |
| 13:24.26 | tomwp | pfote: apt-get install postgresql-9.1 |
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| 13:25.00 | pfote | and? it succeeded or somethin went wrong? |
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| 13:25.23 | pfote | and what .deb did you use, the wheezy one? |
| 13:26.47 | pfote | if you cant remember, purge and reinstall it |
| 13:27.04 | tomwp | pfote: installed successfully, but there is not the / etc / postgresql and when I run the psql command does the following error: psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory Is the server running locally and accepting connections on Unix domain socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432"? |
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| 13:28.31 | tomwp | pfote: with -> apt-get purge postgresql* ? |
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| 13:28.47 | glycol | pfote: is postgre running? /etc/init.d/postgresql status |
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| 13:29.22 | pfote | tomwp: see thats why i doubt it installed successfully, it should create a database cluster then (and in that process creating /etc/postgresql/9.1/main and /var/lib/postgres/9.1 etc) which it apparently hasnt |
| 13:29.28 | pfote | tomwp: yup |
| 13:29.41 | tomwp | glycol: not empty, return |
| 13:30.02 | pfote | glycol: postgres will not start without a config |
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| 13:30.12 | glycol | oh |
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| 13:30.57 | t_dot_zilla | so, i have a question, i'd like to use my partition uuid (PARTUUID) in the cmdline.txt boot file but, each time i run gdisk /dev/sda, then 'i' for info, the 'Partition unique GUID' listed is different |
| 13:31.00 | t_dot_zilla | i think this might because the partition table scan shows MBR only |
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| 13:31.32 | tomwp | pfote: correct, to view the log single start we had was the "pg_createcluster 9.1 main - start". Uninstall through apt-get purge postgresql *? |
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| 13:33.48 | pfote | did you run that? "pg_createcluster 9.1 main" would actually create you a config .. |
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| 13:35.00 | tomwp | pfote: and how do I install just the postgresql database, without installing the cluster? |
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| 13:36.26 | Lachezar | tomwp: check what 'pg_lscluster' says |
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| 13:36.55 | pfote | tomwp: you dont .. a cluster is the database instance, with data files, config etc. postgres wont run without it |
| 13:37.12 | pfote | Lachezar: i'm pretty sure it will list no clusters at all |
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| 13:38.13 | Lachezar | pfote: No hurt in checking. |
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| 13:38.19 | pfote | true |
| 13:39.00 | tomwp | pfote: I did, sorry. And because the install package postgresql-9.1 does not run the same? This package is in trouble? |
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| 13:39.44 | Lachezar | tomwp: check: 'dpkg -l "postgre*" | grep -v ^un' |
| 13:39.50 | pfote | my guess is its locale settings or something are screwed in a way that pg_createcluster failed to create a cluster |
| 13:39.55 | Lachezar | tomwp: to make sure nothing is broken. |
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| 13:40.25 | pfote | tomwp: no, it should create a main cluster on install if everything is right |
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| 13:40.56 | Lachezar | wonders is anyone knows how to filter un and/or ii packages by dpkg, not grep -v |
| 13:41.14 | pfote | doesnt |
| 13:41.57 | tremon | Lachezar: not with dpkg, but aptitude can. see ~c and ~i search terms |
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| 13:42.17 | tomwp | Lachezar: return dkpg: Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) -> postgresql-9.1, postgresql-client-9.1, postgresql-client-common, postgresql-common |
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| 13:43.36 | Lachezar | tomwp: Ugh? That command should have shown these packages with a pair of letters at the front. Like 'ii' or 'iB' or 'ib' or 'un'. Those matter, |
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| 13:44.38 | tomwp | Lachezar, yeah! ii all |
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| 13:47.24 | Lachezar | tomwp: Well then. Check /etc/postgresql-common/user_clusters for anything suspicious (not commented), then /var/lib/postgresql (should be empty). Then 'apt-get purge postgres*' and 'apt-get install postgresql' |
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| 13:47.54 | Lachezar | tomwp: In other words perform a clean(-er) reinstall of the packages :-/ |
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| 13:49.03 | tomwp | Lachezar, ok, I'll do it. one minute |
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| 13:50.49 | thaicares | I was having crazy issues yesterday (first day of install) today the issues aren't as bad... but the wifi issue I had with my original debian install still exists |
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| 13:51.35 | thaicares | [ 627.677357] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Failed to load firmware chunk! [ 627.677366] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Could not load the [0] uCode section [ 627.677374] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Failed to start RT ucode: -110 [ 629.456904] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Failing on timeout while stopping DMA channel 0 [0x5a5a5a5a] [ 631.253676] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Failing on timeout while stopping DMA channel 2 [0x5a5a5a5a] [ 633.084997] iwlwifi 0000:0 |
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| 13:51.46 | thaicares | is a little from my dmesg |
| 13:51.58 | thaicares | which isn't the same as last time... |
| 13:52.05 | thaicares | but it is close I guess? |
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| 13:52.31 | rast | what's the best practice to add a user on the system whose sole purpose is to receive email, for instance the user 'noreply' (being added as a system user for a local smtp server to deliver mail to) |
| 13:52.57 | Lachezar | rast: an alias |
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| 13:53.18 | ksk | rast: probably not creating a real user. if you have to use "--system" to give him no loginshell |
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| 13:54.27 | rast | Lachezar, an alias in what context? smtp server config or an alias at OS (system) level? |
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| 13:54.48 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 13:55.03 | Lachezar | rast: alias in the SMTP server. Most servers allow the mail for a specific user to be 'forwarded' to a specific file with no other stuff. |
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| 13:56.12 | rast | Lachezar, but what about the noreply@mydomain.com user? I need to send email from that user outwards |
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| 13:56.46 | rast | wouldn't it be necessary to add the user to the system, so I can log in to it from outside via dovecot? |
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| 13:57.05 | rast | and then send emails as noreply@mydomain.com |
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| 13:57.48 | rast | what you say about forwarding email to a single file (no user) would be useful to set for email that's incoming (sent to) the noreply user, since I don't care about that email. |
| 13:58.01 | rast | I could accumulate it in some file, and delete it periodically |
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| 13:59.54 | Lachezar | rast: To send mail AS a virtual user you need to configure NOTHING, unless your SMTP server requires authentication. |
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| 14:00.28 | Lachezar | rast: You asked for 'a user .. to receive email ...' |
| 14:00.40 | johnfg | Is there a way to have grub recognize hd0,msdos2 without my adding these lines manually to grub.cfg? |
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| 14:01.52 | malenki | hi. |
| 14:02.10 | malenki | how to i get to know the version of e2fsck? |
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| 14:02.53 | malenki | nvm |
| 14:03.01 | malenki | manpage is more verbose then help text |
| 14:03.03 | malenki | -V it is |
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| 14:05.30 | johnfg | When I run grub-mkconfig it does not find squeeze either. |
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| 14:05.49 | Lachezar | rast: If you're not interested in the incoming mail for the noreply@yourcomain.com you can alias it to /dev/null |
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| 14:06.44 | mtn | johnfg: how about running update-grub? |
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| 14:07.39 | rast | Lachezar, ok thanks for the guidance |
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| 14:08.58 | Miesco_ | Anyone configure trackpoint for scrolling? |
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| 14:09.04 | Miesco_ | I have done everything but its not working |
| 14:09.16 | Miesco_ | I go to firefox hold down middle button and try to scroll but nothing |
| 14:09.57 | Miesco_ | Also gpointing-device-settings I can't find this package in Jessie |
| 14:10.18 | johnfg | mtn: It shows this in the process: Found Debian GNU/Linux (6.0.8) on /dev/sda3, but writes nothing to grub.cfg. |
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| 14:11.29 | johnfg | It finds win xp pro on sda1 and writes its entry. Why not squeeze? |
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| 14:12.20 | johnfg | mtn: Where is the right place under /etc/grub.d to put entries for squeeze, if I were to try running update-grub that way? |
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| 14:14.13 | RoyK | hrmf. seems my guest is dying when I try to do some i/o operations. any idea where to find the logs? this is a debian wheezy guest on an ubuntu precise host |
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| 14:15.26 | mtn | johnfg: that is very strange, I have never seen it show finding an os and not put it in the grub.cfg |
| 14:15.37 | mtn | johnfg: https://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 14:16.19 | mtn | RoyK: logs are in /var/log |
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| 14:16.54 | RoyK | mtn: I'm quite aware of that, but it doesn't help much if the VM just powers off without saying anything in the logs :P |
| 14:17.20 | mtn | RoyK: sorry, I thought you said "any idea where to find the logs? " |
| 14:17.23 | RoyK | perhaps netconsole, then... just wondered if someone knew how to get that info out of kvm/libvirt |
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| 14:19.04 | Miesco_ | How do I get this package on jessie? https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gpointing-device-settings |
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| 14:20.56 | johnfg | mtn: Thanks for the link, but it didn't help at all. /etc/default/grub has the line mentioned for os-prober, yet still there is no entry for squeeze written out. |
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| 14:22.40 | Miesco_ | Is there an irc channel for jessie? |
| 14:22.58 | mtn | Miesco_: look at the topic |
| 14:24.05 | johnfg | This problem with grub2 seems to be known, but I haven't come across a fix yet. |
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| 14:24.53 | mtn | johnfg: I dual or triple boot all the time and have never come across your problem |
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| 14:26.42 | Miesco_ | Is jessie "unstable"? |
| 14:26.47 | Miesco_ | branch |
| 14:26.52 | mtn | Miesco_: testing |
| 14:27.03 | Miesco_ | mtn: There is also an unstable branch? |
| 14:27.08 | mtn | Miesco_: sid |
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| 14:28.20 | mtn | Miesco_: yes, there are both testing and unstable. lots of info about them on the debian website |
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| 14:30.56 | Walex | Miesco_: more properly, Jessie *does not exist yet*. A Debian release exists only when it is released, that is cloned from the 'testing' *archive* (which is not a distribution) and announced. |
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| 14:34.20 | Walex | I make this point because there is a big difference between a released collection of deliberately chosen packages, and an archive that contains a random collection of packages in various states of development. |
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| 14:43.27 | sephioh | my network here still ipv4. but when i try apt-get update, it resolves to ipv6 addresses, and i cant update my server. |
| 14:43.51 | sephioh | is there a way to make apt-get uses only ipv4? |
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| 14:51.45 | jelly-hme | !noipv6 |
| 14:51.47 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 14:52.10 | tremon | sephioh: tail -20 /etc/gai.conf doesn't require a reboot |
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| 14:53.30 | tremon | for completeness sake, "change the last line" really means "uncomment this next line" |
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| 14:55.24 | sephioh | tremon, i already try this line in gai.conf |
| 14:55.26 | sephioh | precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100 |
| 14:55.31 | sephioh | but without success |
| 14:55.50 | fluffywolf | Lately I've been running into conflicts with "libstdc++6: Breaks: gcc-4.1"... is this a "really completely breaks", or a "only breaks a few uncommon things"? if it's to do with multiarch, I've already made that mostly work... |
| 14:56.18 | tremon | sephioh: ok, then completely disabling ipv6 is probably your best bet |
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| 14:58.44 | tremon | fluffywolf: it's a "breaks the package manager's view of your system". There's no way around it unless you choose to never again use dpkg. |
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| 14:59.33 | tremon | in the case of multi-arch, and you're getting this while running apt-get install, make sure your system is up-to-date, i.e. run apt-get dist-upgrade first |
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| 15:01.42 | fluffywolf | parts of it are up to date... parts are close to a decade old... it's one of those systems. heh. |
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| 15:03.56 | fluffywolf | I can't remove gcc 4.1 due to needing to compile with it, but the package manager is quite sure leaving it installed would be evil... |
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| 15:04.59 | fluffywolf | I've ran into problems with this before with multiarch, but a bunch of symlinks for all the libraries worked around that... |
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| 15:10.36 | brontosaurusrex | whats the cli procedure to check if something is mounted? |
| 15:10.43 | xand | brontosaurusrex: "mount" |
| 15:10.47 | xand | and you'll get a list. |
| 15:10.56 | jelly-hme | fluffywolf: set up a chroot with whatever debian release still carried gcc-4.1, and build your stuff in there. keep the OS clean instead |
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| 15:10.59 | brontosaurusrex | xand, yeah, i mean a specific mount |
| 15:11.03 | naptastic | brontosaurusrex, I would grep 'thing' out of /proc/mounts |
| 15:11.09 | epsilon | or cat /proc/mounts |
| 15:11.16 | naptastic | it's slightly more precise than running 'mount' in some cases |
| 15:11.20 | brontosaurusrex | or mount | grep thing ? |
| 15:11.25 | brontosaurusrex | oh ok |
| 15:11.34 | brontosaurusrex | thanks |
| 15:11.40 | naptastic | :-) |
| 15:11.46 | jelly-hme | s/chroot/LXC or openvz container/, if you want to |
| 15:12.12 | fluffywolf | jelly-hme: it's way, way, way too late for that. this box has stuff from ~2004 through current sid. :) |
| 15:12.48 | Brigo | or docker.io -using LXC too- |
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| 15:13.34 | jelly-hme | fluffywolf: oh, alright, then the course is clear: use two separate installations and migrate apps to "old debian" and "stable debian" and don't use sid in production. |
| 15:13.49 | Brigo | fluffywolf: you can copy all things you need to chroot, no problem about it. |
| 15:14.26 | fluffywolf | none of that answers my question... how badly does the new libraries break old gcc, and is it just multiarch support, which I've already worked around? |
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| 15:15.34 | Brigo | i thik old gcc use old libraries, so new libraries are not bad for it. |
| 15:15.47 | jelly-hme | it's unlikely you'll get the answer unless someone has already worked around a very similar scenario |
| 15:16.04 | jelly-hme | -dev packages will be broken tho |
| 15:16.06 | fluffywolf | hrmm. oh well, time to find out! :) |
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| 15:16.16 | fluffywolf | but first, time for work. bbl. |
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| 15:19.16 | jelly-hme | my similar machines only spanned up to 3 debian releases, at that point I realized chroots were easier |
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| 15:32.57 | DelphiWorld | Hi Guys |
| 15:33.03 | DelphiWorld | i have some scripts asking for youtube-dl |
| 15:33.10 | DelphiWorld | this package is not in wheezy |
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| 15:33.13 | DelphiWorld | what should i do? |
| 15:33.15 | DelphiWorld | thank |
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| 15:33.31 | Mikaela | I think that it should be there. Have you enabled contrib and non-free? |
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| 15:34.57 | DelphiWorld | Mikaela: no, i dont think. should you paste me the apt lines in pm please? |
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| 15:36.32 | DelphiWorld | Mikaela: here's my line: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 15:36.32 | DelphiWorld | d |
| 15:37.09 | Mikaela | Yes |
| 15:37.27 | Mikaela | DelphiWorld: I think I have mine at mkaysi.github.io/misc/sources.list.debian |
| 15:37.38 | DelphiWorld | lol |
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| 15:38.17 | Mikaela | Replace stable with wheezy to not be unpleasantly surprised when next Debian becomes stable. |
| 15:38.42 | DelphiWorld | Mikaela: ;) |
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| 15:41.48 | DelphiWorld | Mikaela: nop, there's still no youtube-dl |
| 15:42.13 | tremon | ,v youtube-dl |
| 15:42.15 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2013.12.04-1; sid: 2014.02.17-1 |
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| 15:43.09 | Mikaela | Where did it disappear from wheezy? :O |
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| 15:43.33 | dion | Hey. I'm using Crunchbang, but for this issue, I thought I'd come here about it. |
| 15:43.35 | wopi | Hi, I have a problem with monit not restarting my process, can somebody please help ? https://gist.github.com/astropanic/9073403 |
| 15:43.40 | tremon | probably orphaned and re-introduced |
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| 15:44.19 | DelphiWorld | Mikaela: lol |
| 15:44.30 | dion | I'm trying to install kazehakase, and apparently it needs a bunch of files from oldstable (Squeeze), but when I tried adding the repositories, it complained about broken packages. |
| 15:44.36 | g105b | Hi, I was wondering if it was possible to send an SMS given that I am connected to the internet via a 3G modem? Can anyone point me in the right direction? (or tell me it's not possible) |
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| 15:44.57 | dion | So any idea what I need to do? |
| 15:45.11 | ChrisH | g105b: first guess/idea: gammu |
| 15:45.29 | DelphiWorld | Mikaela: i loved apt-get --yes --quiet --allow-unauthenticated install mate-archive-keyring |
| 15:45.57 | tremon | DelphiWorld: youtube-dl has no dependencies other than python, it might be possible to just download the .deb for jessie and install it |
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| 15:46.07 | g105b | ChrisH: Thanks, does gammu require a telephone, or just SIM? I'm connected using a router (no phone involved) |
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| 15:46.26 | DelphiWorld | tremon: url please? |
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| 15:46.39 | dion | ... no one? |
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| 15:46.46 | tremon | packages.debian.org/youtube-dl |
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| 15:47.47 | DelphiWorld | tremon: lol good |
| 15:48.01 | mtn | doebi: wrong channel. you need to go to the crunchbang channel |
| 15:48.16 | mtn | doebi: sorry, not for you |
| 15:48.27 | mtn | dion: wrong channel. you need to go to the crunchbang channel |
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| 15:48.54 | dion | mtn: Crunchbang channel's dead. No activity at all, and it's concerning the debian squeeze packages. |
| 15:48.55 | DelphiWorld | mtn: do you want to buy cell towers from me? :P |
| 15:49.43 | mtn | !crunchbang |
| 15:49.44 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 15:50.26 | dion | mtn: I just said that channel's dead, there's no activity on it. And again, it's concerning debian packages. |
| 15:50.43 | dion | If this is elitist behavior, please cut it out. |
| 15:50.48 | mtn | dion: and again, cruchbang is not supported in this channel. nuff said |
| 15:51.03 | mtn | dion: no, it is channel rules. |
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| 15:51.19 | johnfg | I've been doing double & triple boot since back to redhat days. However, with wheezy, there's definitely a problem with the grub2. |
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| 15:51.40 | Brigo | dion: we dont know how crunchbag packages are, so we cant help you. |
| 15:52.06 | johnfg | When I run update-grub from squeeze, it detects all 3 os's I have currently: squeeze, wheezy and win xp pro, and it writes out for all 3. |
| 15:52.08 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.12 | johnfg | But wheezy does not. |
| 15:52.21 | Brigo | ah, dual boot. |
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| 15:52.41 | johnfg | Brigo: probably still considered triple: 2 debian, 1 win. |
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| 15:53.05 | tremon | johnfg: does your squeeze install have a separate /boot, while wheezy does not? |
| 15:53.06 | johnfg | wheezy's update-grub finds squeeze, but it writes out nothing. |
| 15:53.14 | dion | mtn: That's funny, I don't see anything about crunchbang in the introduction or guidelines. |
| 15:53.20 | Brigo | johnfg: yes :-) |
| 15:53.22 | johnfg | tremon: Both have their own /boot. |
| 15:54.02 | tremon | I meant, is /boot on a separate partition? |
| 15:54.20 | johnfg | tremon: yes. |
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| 15:54.47 | johnfg | Brigo: pardon me, but what's the yes for? |
| 15:55.06 | Brigo | < johnfg> Brigo: probably still considered triple: 2 debian, 1 win. |
| 15:55.15 | tremon | hmm, than I'm more surprised about squeeze's behaviour. I didn't think os-prober would read the fstab of a detected OS |
| 15:55.32 | Brigo | He has gone :-/ |
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| 15:55.45 | tremon | oh well |
| 15:56.13 | dion | The issue I'm having is concerning solely debian packages, and apt works exactly like on debian, hence it is a debian problem. |
| 15:56.57 | pav5088 | Is it normal for software that mixes openssl with GnuTLS to crash? isc-dhcp-server-ldap is compiled against openssl, but also links libldap (which is compiled against GnuTLS)... and I get a crash. |
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| 15:57.16 | pav5088 | ...but only when using certificates |
| 15:57.19 | tremon | dion: if you can reproduce the problem on a clean debian install, then yes. Otherwise it may just as well be caused by a 3rd party's dependencies or packaging choices |
| 15:57.26 | pav5088 | (which is not a common configuraton) |
| 15:58.45 | tremon | and even on clean debian, if you were mixing stable with oldstable, the first reponse you'd get here is "don't do that". |
| 15:58.45 | dion | tremon: Still doesn't excuse refusing to recommend any sort of solution. |
| 15:59.00 | pav5088 | The certs and configuration are tested as being good (using ldapsearch from CentOS.... I'm using CentOS because it's compiled against openssl... Debian uses GnuTLS). |
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| 15:59.59 | johnfg | Any ideas? |
| 16:00.09 | johnfg | Sorry, freenode was down on my end for a bit. |
| 16:00.37 | tremon | pav5088: see if you can get good backtrace and report it. Even uncommon setups should not crash |
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| 16:00.55 | pav5088 | tremon: already done... |
| 16:01.00 | pav5088 | (I think) |
| 16:01.24 | pav5088 | I'm not a dev, and I'm not sure if I did it correctly... but I loaded -dbg packages and ran valgrind |
| 16:01.45 | pav5088 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=723773 |
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| 16:03.25 | Brigo | johnfg: so the problem is not the detection, is the writing, isnt it? |
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| 16:04.33 | tremon | pav5088: that should be sufficient. If you get no response, try pinging either the maintainer list directly or submit the bug upstream as well |
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| 16:05.12 | ruukasu | I've been getting a 403 error whenever I try to view the Debian wiki for about a day now |
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| 16:12.11 | ruukasu | I know I can use dpkg-query -l to get a list of packages, but is there any way to get a list of packages (and dependencies) I've installed that aren't included by default? |
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| 16:13.50 | johnfg | Brigo: yes, the not writing it out is the problem. |
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| 16:14.20 | johnfg | Brigo: You don't think that the /boot for squeeze needs to be mounted, do you? |
| 16:14.47 | johnfg | After all, the equivalent for windows isn't. |
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| 16:15.23 | Brigo | no, i am not an expert, but i think may be a misconfiguration problem. |
| 16:15.32 | johnfg | And if I did mount it, it wouldn't be on /boot, since that's where wheezy's /boot partition is mounted. |
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| 16:16.01 | johnfg | Brigo: That may be, but it's grub2 or one of it's allies that's doing the misconfiguring. |
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| 16:16.35 | Brigo | i am not sure, but i think grub2 itself. |
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| 16:27.58 | Miesco_ | If there is a package with an A meaning it was intalled as a dependency, how do I find out which package got it installed? |
| 16:28.28 | mv-help | hi how do i move all files from a directory to a new directory without move the directory itself just the files within. /home/bob/*all files* /home/fred/*all files* |
| 16:29.43 | centrx | mv-help, mv /home/bob/* /home/fred/ |
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| 16:29.56 | awwyissssss | Miesco...aptitude |
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| 16:30.15 | Miesco_ | awwyissssss: Yea its in aptitude |
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| 16:35.36 | jameshyde | anyone knows the difference between broadcom tg3 and bnx2x drivers? |
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| 16:37.10 | centrx | mv-help, No |
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| 16:37.42 | centrx | mv-help, mv /home/bob/* /home/bob/.* /home/fred/ |
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| 16:40.12 | Brigo | Miesco_: in the description of the package, search for "source package" or somethin like it |
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| 16:41.12 | lotherk | say I have run apt-get upgrade which upgrades a kernel. say /boot was out of diskspace, so apt aborted the upgrade. let's also say I now don't want to upgrade anymore but apt is "broken" now as it still wants to upgrade the kernel. how can I tell apt to 'forget' about that? |
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| 16:43.03 | nkuttler | !tell lotherk about errors |
| 16:43.41 | lotherk | nkuttler: … it's simply the problem that is normally solved by apt-get -f install |
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| 16:44.33 | nkuttler | lotherk: have you tried apt-get remove or dpkg -r? |
| 16:44.50 | lotherk | nkuttler: well, I think apt-get removing a kernel is not best practice ;) |
| 16:45.05 | nkuttler | lotherk: are you just conjuring a problem that doesn't exist? |
| 16:45.14 | lotherk | I wouldn't ask then. |
| 16:45.28 | neo1691 | I am trying to add a folder to path. Command is: "export $PATH=${PATH}:/home/neo1691/bin" (without quotes) bash giving error! |
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| 16:45.32 | nkuttler | lotherk: what makes you think removing kernels is "not best practice"? |
| 16:45.46 | nkuttler | neo1691: drop the first $ |
| 16:45.53 | lotherk | nkuttler: remove your kernel and reboot. |
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| 16:46.28 | nkuttler | lotherk: if your kernel install failed i doubt you were using it to boot |
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| 16:46.59 | lotherk | nkuttler: thanks for nothing |
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| 16:48.22 | neo1691 | nkuttler: Done! Thanks |
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| 16:49.47 | local | hello. I would like to add some custom iptable rules. Unfortunately I couldn't find any iptable-rules file on my system. Is there any one? How can I use custom rules which will also survive a system boot (=persistent iptable rules) ? |
| 16:50.20 | nkuttler | local: i use the iptables-persistent package |
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| 16:55.54 | oops | hey lotherk. It is safe and okay to remove unused kernels. |
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| 16:56.31 | local | nkuttler: thank you. This is what I looked for. |
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| 17:00.51 | Sbroker | H, someone with debian 7.25 in a sssd disk and ext4? |
| 17:01.06 | Sbroker | Hi, someone with debian 7.2 in a sssd disk and ext4? |
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| 17:02.36 | Iridos | lotherk, it's also only aptitude which remembers what you wanted to install... but if the package is half-installed, indeed try to remove it (or remove an older kernel if you have several) |
| 17:02.38 | Iridos | laters |
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| 17:23.54 | sorressean | I was trying to install debian from netinst and all the mirrors are failing. I have the disk from their site. it says that wheezy does not exist. is there a workaround to the broken installer? |
| 17:24.45 | babilen | sorressean: Which installer did you use exactly? |
| 17:24.48 | Brigo | Seth_Hikaru: where did yo get the netinst? |
| 17:24.54 | Brigo | ups |
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| 17:25.16 | sorressean | babilen: debian-7.4.0-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 17:25.56 | babilen | sorressean: And what did you do with it? Do you have any additional information on console 4 ? (ALT-4) Why i386? |
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| 17:27.08 | babilen | sorressean: Most often this error is caused by some gateway to which you have to authenticate or by failing to configure a proxy correctly, but we would need more information. Can you chat here while playing with the installer? |
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| 17:28.15 | sorressean | babilen: yep. I have no proxy, so that shouldn't be a problem. |
| 17:28.23 | babilen | okay |
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| 17:30.08 | sorressean | babilen: I'm getting back there. I ended up shutting down the system earlier |
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| 17:50.48 | johnfg | fyi: I booted wheezy, mounted the /boot partition of squeeze on /mnt/temp and ran grub-mkconfig. It not only found squeeze, but wrote what it should to standard out. |
| 17:51.15 | johnfg | I then ran update-grub and grub.cfg was output like it should have been. |
| 17:51.33 | johnfg | Should I file a bug report on this strange grub2 behavior? |
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| 17:55.27 | FeriKe | Hi, I'd like to know if I install Debian 7 for desktop what's tha date when I have to reinstall my system so the updates ends? |
| 17:56.02 | tremon | probably summer 2016 at the earliest |
| 17:56.29 | FeriKe | Thank you |
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| 17:57.01 | FeriKe | There's no way to upgrade? |
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| 17:57.55 | JeffJohnson | FeriKe: there is, "apt-ge dist-upgrade" |
| 17:57.59 | JeffJohnson | FeriKe: apt-get |
| 17:58.00 | zykotick9 | FeriKe: also consider, updating to a new version (typically) works well in Debian, unlike some of the derivatives. |
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| 17:58.22 | johnfg | freenode was down again here, so if you responded to my remarks about grub2 I didn't see them. |
| 17:58.25 | JeffJohnson | FeriKe: you could also simply use testing, if the stability is sufficient for your purpose |
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| 17:59.21 | tremon | FeriKe: system-wide upgrades are fully supported |
| 17:59.37 | FeriKe | I specify my qustion. I want to use stable editiona always. Whats the earliest date that i cannot upgrade my system so i have to download the iso, burn it on a dvd and the install to a partition. |
| 17:59.49 | JeffJohnson | never |
| 18:00.13 | FeriKe | wow. Really? |
| 18:00.30 | FeriKe | So all my settings and files are stay forever? |
| 18:00.32 | JeffJohnson | FeriKe: you can always upgrade to the next release, but I guess skipping whole releases won't work well:) |
| 18:00.41 | zykotick9 | FeriKe: stable is supported, as old-stable, for one year after a new release |
| 18:00.50 | FeriKe | JeffJohnson, That's why I asked. |
| 18:01.04 | tremon | FeriKe: if you're asking for a specific date when security support for a specific release will stop, we can't give you that. There are no target dates set yet |
| 18:01.10 | JeffJohnson | FeriKe: if you simply always upgrade to the current stable it should work |
| 18:02.03 | FeriKe | I'm looking for a distribution for my family and friend and i don't want to touch their systems after installation as long as possible |
| 18:02.13 | JeffJohnson | :D |
| 18:02.18 | JeffJohnson | lazy man |
| 18:02.20 | JeffJohnson | :P |
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| 18:02.36 | FeriKe | I don't get paid for this hey |
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| 18:02.46 | JeffJohnson | FeriKe: :=) |
| 18:03.17 | zykotick9 | FeriKe: i'd go with stable, then update to new version, every 2 years (or so). |
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| 18:04.11 | FeriKe | So on cento s is 5 years but it's difficult i think Fedora is easy but only less then two years that's why i ask how long is debian1s support |
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| 18:04.47 | tremon | debian's support for oldstable lasts until 1 year after the next release, and releases are roughly 2 years apart |
| 18:05.00 | FeriKe | zykotick9, Update means new installation? |
| 18:05.19 | zykotick9 | FeriKe: no. change source.list, then dist-upgrade. |
| 18:05.25 | FeriKe | I see |
| 18:05.29 | FeriKe | Thank you guys |
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| 18:16.17 | threadlock | debian-installer and preseeding questions; is it possible to have "d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select multi" without creating a swap-volume (or do I have to define my own layout)? where is the actual recipe used located? |
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| 18:17.48 | babilen | threadlock: You can define your own format, but I haven't done that in ages. It should be documented though .. somewhere (maybe in the example preseeding file) |
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| 18:31.14 | tremon | threadlock: you're lucky this question was asked about a week ago ;) http://tech.mariusb.com/2009/programming/debian-preseed-with-no-swap.html |
| 18:32.24 | tremon | threadlock: you will still have to create your own expert_recipe |
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| 18:36.11 | threadlock | tremon: that is just to skip the question (if you want to return to partitioning or continue) for when you manage to preseed without swap |
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| 18:36.59 | tremon | true, but I figured I'd preempt the next question. Took quite some googling to find this one, as it doesn't appear to be documented anywhere |
| 18:37.02 | threadlock | babilen: yeah, I guess I'll have to do that, but I'd like to look at the recipe for multi that is used and I don't know where to find it.. |
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| 18:37.54 | threadlock | I'm asking here after som searchengineering, man page and dokumentation reading =) |
| 18:38.12 | babilen | threadlock: Good, ... now where did I see it? |
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| 18:38.55 | threadlock | I'd probably be able to write my own recipe, but I'd like to know where I can find the exact recipe being used for multi. |
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| 18:39.25 | babilen | threadlock: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en is not providing enough information? |
| 18:39.58 | babilen | threadlock: In particular the "expert_recipe" in there? (if you google for that you should find a bunch of posts providing additional information) |
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| 18:42.57 | threadlock | babilen: I thank you for your efforts, but I still want to find the actual recipe being used by debian-installer for 'partman-auto/choose_recipe select multi' in a partman-lvm configuration, that is a full path to the file or whatnot. |
| 18:43.58 | babilen | threadlock: Yeah, I simply had hoped that it is in there. I'd ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net about it as they can probably point you at the right file instantanously |
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| 18:47.11 | threadlock | babilen: thanks, I'll poke around a bit more and then I might take my question there |
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| 18:59.58 | no_gravity | Hello! These days, when I do "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" i get "The following packages have been kept back: iceweasel". Any ideas why and what I can do about it? |
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| 19:00.05 | Galvik | an |
| 19:00.41 | AnAutist | You're probably fine. Just ignore it. |
| 19:00.56 | no_gravity | AnAutist: are you talking to me? |
| 19:01.14 | AnAutist | no_gravity: Ya. |
| 19:01.46 | no_gravity | AnAutist: Well, maybe you are right. But maybe you are wrong. How shall I know? You dont give any informations. |
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| 19:03.12 | abrotman | no_gravity: explicitly install it |
| 19:03.21 | no_gravity | abrotman: install what? |
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| 19:04.02 | babilen | no_gravity: run dist-upgrade, it is needed for iceweasel upgrades as packges have to be removed |
| 19:04.37 | no_gravity | babilen: dist-upgrade has fucked up my machine in the past, so i usually dont do that anymore. |
| 19:05.10 | no_gravity | babilen: there is no way to just get security updates and nothing else |
| 19:05.12 | no_gravity | ? |
| 19:05.19 | abrotman | yes, explicitly install it . I said that |
| 19:05.37 | no_gravity | abrotman: i dont know what you mean. |
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| 19:08.20 | abrotman | which part is confusing/ |
| 19:08.20 | abrotman | ? |
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| 19:09.56 | no_gravity | abrotman: the part about installing something. |
| 19:10.09 | abrotman | You don't know how to install a package? |
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| 19:10.24 | no_gravity | abrotman: can you flush it? |
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| 19:10.48 | abrotman | gives up |
| 19:11.10 | no_gravity | abrotman: see. the sentence "install it" makes as much sense as "can you flush it?". |
| 19:11.21 | no_gravity | abrotman: just wanted to show you the way you talk. |
| 19:11.22 | abrotman | If you say so, good luck |
| 19:11.41 | abrotman | I'm sorr you don't understand what "install" means. |
| 19:11.53 | no_gravity | abrotman: im sorr you don't understand what "flush" means. |
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| 19:12.32 | abrotman | doesn't care anymore |
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| 19:14.00 | no_gravity | Guess I will simply swap out iceweasel for firefox. |
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| 20:05.29 | tremon | !tell Kiril about squeeze->wheezy |
| 20:05.34 | tremon | arg. no spaces |
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| 20:20.50 | jhutchins | tremon: We should probably alias it. |
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| 20:21.53 | zykotick9 | koell: have a look at "apt-cache search game", lots to choose from... |
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| 20:24.59 | naptastic | The install environment doesn't provide much in the way of benchmarking or diagnostics (no top, vmstat, ps is totally nerfed) |
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| 20:52.07 | Pendrag0n | if anyone here is familiar with the dd command, can anyone tell me, is there a way to have it print out the status or percent done it is? |
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| 20:52.41 | doublehp_ | !tell me about life |
| 20:52.54 | Pendrag0n | when I "man dd" there is a status word in the man page, but I do not understand what I am looking at, it says : status=noxfer suppress transfer statistics |
| 20:53.07 | Pendrag0n | I need to make a 10G padded file |
| 20:53.34 | tremon | Pendrag0n: see man pv |
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| 20:53.53 | tremon | (in package pv) |
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| 20:54.25 | peterrooney | Pendrag0n: yes, there is, and it is covered in the man page. You need to know the PID of the running dd |
| 20:54.26 | neglesaks | life not found, you can install "life" with command apt-get install life |
| 20:55.19 | Pendrag0n | I don't seem to have it tremon, but if you are suggesting an alternative to dd, that won't work because of the specific reason I am using dd. if PV helps with percent done, then that's another story |
| 20:55.19 | Pendrag0n | peterrooney: thanks mate, I am going to look into that right now! |
| 20:55.25 | doublehp_ | how do i install e16 or e17 in wheezy(7.3) ? - yes, i guess i need toadd lines to sources.list |
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| 20:56.20 | Quibus | hi |
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| 20:56.33 | Quibus | What causes media like USB sticks to get automounted under /media/<username> ? |
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| 20:56.51 | tremon | Pendrag0n: pv is a general-purpose tool to display data transfer through a shell pipe. To view the progress of an already running dd, send it a signal (USR1 iirc). check the man page, as already suggester |
| 20:56.54 | doublehp_ | how do i get alist of manually installed packaged ? (yes, you can assume I used only aptitude) without the deps |
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| 20:57.43 | tremon | what do you mean "without the deps"? |
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| 20:59.07 | Pendrag0n | Thanks guys! |
| 20:59.28 | doublehp_ | tremon: the list should not include the deps installed by those packages |
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| 20:59.53 | tremon | doublehp_: even if those deps are also manually installed? |
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| 21:00.01 | doublehp_ | y |
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| 21:00.34 | nonconvergent | If I'm looking at graphics cards based on the least amount of driver headaches, where should I look? |
| 21:00.59 | Pendrag0n | one other question, I am doing this to make an encrypted mount point. A cryptmount. I need 2 distinct 10G drives. When I am done running dd to pad the files, can I just copy the first to the second, and use "cryptsetup --verbose --verify-passphrase luksFormat /dev/sdc1 -c aes-ecb-plain:sha256 -s 256" to encrypt each differently? Or will the password from the first end up opening the second drive? In other words, can I just |
| 21:01.08 | splast | could anyone recommend a command line client that's more intutitive and easy to use than the default mail 'mail' client that comes with debian? |
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| 21:01.40 | doublehp_ | splast: to send of receive ? mutt, pine ... |
| 21:01.58 | doublehp_ | splast: supporting curses or not ? |
| 21:02.13 | nonconvergent | splast: icedove |
| 21:02.25 | nonconvergent | oh, command line |
| 21:02.26 | splast | what is curses? |
| 21:02.40 | tremon | doublehp_: ok, I'm guessing that would be aptitude search '?installed ?not(?automatic) not(?reverse-Depends(?installed))' -- untested, you may need to refine it |
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| 21:02.58 | doublehp_ | splast: curses is the difference between line oriented, and screen oriented |
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| 21:06.31 | tremon | Pendrag0n: copying the random data will be fine. Keep in mind however that doing so leaks information; if an attacker can get to both devices, he can do an xdiff and assume that identical sectors are unused |
| 21:06.52 | doublehp_ | tremon: missing a ? in the end.Not bad, but, still not perfect. Probably a good start for now. |
| 21:07.09 | tremon | yes, that should have been ?not |
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| 21:10.01 | Riztonnn | I don't understand when I do "top" command I can see all the process and memory usage, it is about 25% and when I do "free" command I am using about 75%, where is the rest ??? |
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| 21:10.35 | sorressean | h I see. debug->breakpoints. |
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| 21:11.56 | doublehp_ | Riztonnn: caches, shm ... |
| 21:12.11 | sorressean | hrm. ok, it's showing me where, but it doesn't show the actual exception. sec, I"ll try to screenshot it |
| 21:12.30 | Riztonnn | doublehp_> caches ? shm ? could you explain me more please |
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| 21:13.40 | sorressean | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10204868/debug.png |
| 21:13.49 | doublehp_ | Riztonnn: caches can be either considered as easily freeable, or, used memory. This kind of aspects can vary with apps |
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| 21:15.25 | Riztonnn | doublehp_> is there any way to see which process is caching memory ? |
| 21:15.43 | sorressean | Riztonnn: "caching memory?" |
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| 21:16.16 | sorressean | Riztonnn: the purpose of a cache is to store recently used information that is accessed frequently so that it can be accessed faster. you don't cache memory. |
| 21:16.44 | doublehp_ | Riztonnn: man ps |
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| 21:17.10 | doublehp_ | Riztonnn: caches may also be used by kernel drivers |
| 21:17.53 | Riztonnn | doublehp_> I already know ps command, is it "%MEM" column you are talking about ? |
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| 21:20.05 | nmschulte | Are there any implications to using a copy-on-write FS (btrfs) versus something like ext4? What are the implications of the copy-on-write nature of btrfs? |
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| 21:20.42 | doublehp_ | Riztonnn: no; really:man ps. rss, vsz ... |
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| 21:26.04 | syndala | koell: battle for/of wesnoth is quite nice |
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| 21:26.35 | str3 | no fucking bullying |
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| 21:26.36 | str3 | ok? |
| 21:26.42 | maurer_ | I have a debian stable system, and want to add a custom service to its init system. How do I tell whether it's using upstart/systemd/sysvinit to know where to add a config file/edit something? |
| 21:26.55 | str3 | but i just have to say this. ubuntu is mathematically superior to debian. |
| 21:27.58 | centrx | maurer_, Unless you changed it, it is using sysvinit |
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| 21:28.29 | maurer_ | centrx: thanjks |
| 21:28.31 | maurer_ | *thanks |
| 21:28.54 | tremon | nmschulte: btrfs is still considered experimental, be prepared to have it eat your babies. btrfs offers many advantages, but none of them are debian-specific. You might want to ask ##linux |
| 21:29.14 | nmschulte | tremon: Sure, thanks. |
| 21:30.52 | doublehp_ | in a WM what does "tabbed windows" suport mean ? |
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| 21:31.08 | nkuttler | doublehp_: you can group windows together and the wm shows tabs |
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| 21:31.40 | nkuttler | doublehp_: not a bad idea, but with tabbed browsers everywhere, screen/tmux not that useful |
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| 21:32.22 | magyar | hi, I'm getting these warning in apt-get update "W: Failed to fetch ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/source/SourcesIndex Hash Sum mismatch" |
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| 21:32.56 | jhutchins | nkuttler: Obviously the WM concept extends the tabbing concept to things other than browsers. |
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| 21:32.59 | nkuttler | magyar: repeat your command |
| 21:33.12 | nkuttler | jhutchins: it was just an opinion anyway |
| 21:33.35 | jhutchins | nkuttler: Yeah, not something I'm anxious to exploit. |
| 21:33.37 | magyar | nkuttler: sudo apt-get update << same error |
| 21:33.47 | nkuttler | magyar: sounds like your mirror is out of sync |
| 21:34.07 | magyar | nkuttler: thanks |
| 21:34.09 | jhutchins | magyar: Most likely there is some sort of error on the site. It may be in the middle of an update. |
| 21:34.40 | magyar | jhutchins: been like this in two days now |
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| 21:35.44 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 21:36.34 | Azrael_- | i'm running "mysqldump somedb | gzip > somedb.sql.gz 2> /dev/null" but a warning of mysql is still displayed, what am i doing wrong? |
| 21:36.37 | jhutchins | magyar: Try a different mirror? |
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| 21:38.47 | pascal | hi |
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| 21:40.47 | tremon | Azrael_-: your 2>/dev/null redirects the stderr of gzip, not mysqldymp |
| 21:40.52 | tremon | s/dymp/dump/ |
| 21:41.05 | Azrael_- | tremon: thanks, works like this |
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| 21:44.42 | fluffywolf | marginally on-topic: Any suggestions for a GPS unit? my main concerns are working with linux (no proprietary software needed for updates, maps, etc) and an extremely sensitive receiver suitable for use in heavy tree cover (most fail miserably). For the receiver part, many pages mention the garmin gpsmap series, but I haven't looked into linux usage with one yet. |
| 21:45.01 | robert20 | Hi, I want to download Debian. Could anyone tell me what is the difference (or what is) bt, jigdo, or the list version? bt=bittorrent? |
| 21:45.20 | nkuttler | fluffywolf: try ##hardware? |
| 21:45.36 | fluffywolf | but will they know about linux? :) |
| 21:45.47 | jhutchins | fluffywolf: Most garmins will transmit either standard data or their proprietary format, most programs can understand either/both. |
| 21:46.06 | jhutchins | fluffywolf: I can't say that I've found the sensitivity particularly great. |
| 21:46.08 | nkuttler | robert20: will you have a wired network connection during install? |
| 21:46.13 | robert20 | yes |
| 21:46.41 | fluffywolf | I know that... I mean for things like adding maps, updating firmware, etc. Some pages said the newer garmin units won't work without proprietary software and a subscription to their online service. |
| 21:46.46 | nkuttler | robert20: check here https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable and pick the netinst image for your arch |
| 21:47.01 | robert20 | nkuttler: ty |
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| 21:47.29 | jhutchins | fluffywolf: None of the garmins can be updated via Linux. |
| 21:47.32 | fluffywolf | jhutchins: are there any you've found to be particularly sensitive? our current unit is a garmin etrex 30 hc (I think - I don't have it handy right now), and it's utterly useless in the area I need to map. |
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| 21:48.07 | jhutchins | fluffywolf: My etrex cuts out a lot when riding hard through woods. |
| 21:48.28 | jhutchins | fluffywolf: My Motorola Droid, on the other hand, seems to get a signal faster and more reliably than my Nuvi. |
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| 21:49.23 | fluffywolf | heh, there's no cell coverage in the area, so if it's doing any tricks with using cell tower information to supplement gps information, won't help.. |
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| 21:49.39 | jhutchins | fluffywolf: I think there are receiver-only modules you can get that are as good as the consumer units, for things like arduino, and yeah, we're off topic now, so #debian-offtipic. |
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| 21:49.57 | fluffywolf | so garmin + linux = no? |
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| 21:51.23 | jhutchins | fluffywolf: Not known worse than other brands. |
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| 22:00.13 | DammitJim | This is driving me nuts!!! What is the appropriate protocol to use to check if there are files in a windows folder? |
| 22:00.41 | DammitJim | the developers have java code that authnticates with the windows server every 30 second to check if there are new files in different folders |
| 22:00.46 | DammitJim | not sure why that doesn't sound right |
| 22:00.57 | DammitJim | when I say authenticate, I mean using a samba client |
| 22:01.43 | centrx | DammitJim, In Linux it is called "inotify" or notification |
| 22:02.00 | centrx | DammitJim, Your question sounds more like a Windows question |
| 22:02.12 | DammitJim | thanks centrx |
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| 22:04.32 | fluffywolf | I'm busy breaking my system with --force-breaks. much fun. :) |
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| 22:07.17 | fluffywolf | bah, makes apt-get extremely useless now. |
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| 22:07.54 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Don't suppose you work for the GSA? |
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| 22:08.39 | DammitJim | no sir jhutchins, no, why? |
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| 22:10.18 | jhutchins | One of our branches is doing somethng similar. |
| 22:10.55 | jhutchins | Pretty sure they just sweep the folders with a cron job. |
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| 22:11.02 | DammitJim | oh, no... I work for a company that writes software for locomotives |
| 22:11.15 | DammitJim | when a new download comes from the locomotive, it has to be processed, that's all |
| 22:11.27 | DammitJim | so, they are permanently mounted? |
| 22:11.52 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Ah, fun, I have worked for Harmon controls (now GE), and nearly worked for K.C. Southern - co-worker actually came from there. |
| 22:12.25 | DammitJim | LOL... we work with GE here and there |
| 22:12.34 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Basically this server receives files, the cron job looks for them then sends them on. It's all via ssh/sftp come to think of it. |
| 22:12.46 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Today's other headache is unrelated samba servers. |
| 22:12.48 | DammitJim | jhutchins, if I had a permanent mount (cifs mount), how could I ensure that it's always up? |
| 22:13.00 | dutchfish | DammitJim, if you goal is server/client based i recommend FAM and gamin, at least you could delve into its C code |
| 22:13.42 | jhutchins | DammitJim: You could use autofs to mount on demaind - that way you're more likely to have a fresh mount than a stale one that's gone away. |
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| 22:14.07 | jhutchins | DammitJim: That or remount it before each check. |
| 22:14.36 | DammitJim | hhhmmmm... is autofs something the OS does or can it be called with some java api? |
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| 22:14.56 | jhutchins | DammitJim: It's an os thing. |
| 22:15.12 | DammitJim | hhhmmmm..... interesting |
| 22:15.15 | jhutchins | DammitJim: No knowledge of an api (not a coder). |
| 22:15.21 | fluffywolf | java, windows, and smbfs... remind me to stay off trains. :) |
| 22:16.19 | DammitJim | LOL @ fluffywolf don't worry... it's all cargo |
| 22:16.21 | jhutchins | fluffywolf: Don't worry, the Windows XP that controls the nuclear power plant is far more likely to get you. |
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| 22:16.41 | fluffywolf | lol |
| 22:17.01 | tremon | DammitJim: "calling autofs", if you mean having autofs permount a network mount, can be triggered by simply accessing the defined mountpoint. That can be done from java as well |
| 22:17.20 | tremon | arg. I need to re-learn my english. s/permount/perform/ |
| 22:17.40 | fluffywolf | I'd manually force a mount and unmount. I seem to recall smb having microsoft-level brokenness in caching directory contents. |
| 22:17.52 | jhutchins | The train that leveled Lac-Mégantic was just cargo. |
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| 22:18.51 | MACscr | i want to manually assign my network interface names. How should i go about doing that? |
| 22:19.16 | jhutchins | MACscr: You probably shouldn't. What are you actually trying to do? |
| 22:19.19 | tremon | edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70net-persistent.rules I guess |
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| 22:20.11 | MACscr | jhutchins: i have a dozen systems with pretty similar hardware and all have 4+ nics. i want to have full control over the names for easier management and identification throughout the cluster |
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| 22:32.49 | mike_sun | hi guys, I downloaded the debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso today, and the default desktop is xfce, but as far as I know should be gnome, right? |
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| 22:33.07 | mike_sun | something wrong with the "default" iso? |
| 22:33.33 | mike_sun | I got from here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:34.29 | DammitJim | is autofs something I set up in my /etc/fstab? |
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| 22:35.53 | Quibus | good night |
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| 22:35.57 | dondelelcaro | mike_sun: the default currently for testing is xfce |
| 22:36.26 | dondelelcaro | mike_sun: but you can easily install gnome if you want |
| 22:36.28 | engla | mike_sun: testing is a work in progress, and at the moment it is xfce I think |
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| 22:37.34 | mike_sun | dondelelcaro, engla: thanks |
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| 22:38.11 | mike_sun | I'm replacing all my machines with ubuntu to debian testing |
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| 22:58.35 | jhutchins | MACscr: What tremon said then, still let it assign automatically. |
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| 22:59.20 | jhutchins | MACscr: Newer system are more consistent about how the hardware is named and in what order. |
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| 23:12.29 | BruceMotorboat | Hey guys, i'm using BAMT (a debian distro) and i'm trying to install chrome on it, but im missing several packages, what would be the easiest way to get them ? |
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| 23:13.05 | MACscr1 | BruceMotorboat: apt-get install chrome-browser |
| 23:13.32 | MACscr1 | BruceMotorboat: did you not even try googling that question first? |
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| 23:14.20 | BruceMotorboat | MACscr1: yes, i've tried several different ways; no success |
| 23:14.33 | BruceMotorboat | MACscr1: and that doesn't work either |
| 23:14.43 | MACscr1 | what does it say? |
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| 23:14.58 | MACscr1 | er, my bad, i think its chromium-browser |
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| 23:15.04 | MACscr1 | though just a guess again |
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| 23:16.35 | zykotick9 | !tell BruceMotorboat about based on debian |
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| 23:16.41 | BruceMotorboat | MACscr1: it says, you might wanan run apt-get -f install (which i've done a few times); but the issue is there are packages that i need and are missing |
| 23:16.56 | BruceMotorboat | MACscr1: it says, you might wanan run apt-get -f install (which i've done a few times); but the issue is there are packages that i need and are missing |
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| 23:17.02 | mike_sun | hi guys, I current have my /home in another partition, but at the moment is a ubuntu /home, I'm installing debian, can I use this home? |
| 23:17.24 | tremon | mike_sun: yes, but make sure your user id's between the two installs match |
| 23:17.31 | zykotick9 | mike_sun: yes, BUT you may (or may not) run into issues, with different config file versions... |
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| 23:18.21 | mike_sun | hum.... |
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| 23:45.47 | Protected | Hey there. Does anyone here user apf-firewall? I'm trying to, but it doesn't seem to be loading any iptables rules... |
| 23:45.50 | Protected | *use |
| 23:46.16 | KaaK | how does the shell variable $HOME get set? i've got a small environment where it gets set to '/' ... |
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| 23:47.08 | abrotman | KaaK: man bash |
| 23:47.11 | carrera | Greetings! :) |
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| 23:48.31 | themill | KaaK: that would normally only happen if /etc/passwd refers to a non-existent directory |
| 23:48.40 | carrera | what's the best way to install a package from a local disk, aptitude, apt-get or do I have to use dpkg |
| 23:49.02 | KaaK | abrotman: it doesn't have anything on how it gets set. just _what_ it is |
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| 23:49.19 | Woet | errm.. help? http://pastie.org/private/pe13wnxg4e3p4awjadxr9g |
| 23:49.23 | jaggz- | I'm trying to install perl's libgeoip module... cpan Geo::IP says it wants libgeoip version 1.5.0. However, the latest debian version of libgeoip is 1.4.8+dfsg-3 .. anyone know what to do? |
| 23:49.42 | KaaK | themill: root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash -- and the /root/ directory does exist |
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| 23:50.04 | abrotman | KaaK: echo $HOME |
| 23:50.35 | KaaK | abrotman: echo $HOME ==> / |
| 23:50.43 | abrotman | KaaK: does something else set it? |
| 23:52.34 | Protected | Hm, figured it out. Apparently the package in stable does not actually work |
| 23:52.51 | KaaK | abrotman: after diving -- apparently yes. https://github.com/dotcloud/docker/issues/2968 |
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| 23:53.29 | KaaK | abrotman: thanks for bouncing the idea |
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| 23:54.44 | abrotman | KaaK: odd .. but okay |
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