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| 00:36.24 | ctmjr | carrera: if it is a .deb then dpkg as root but be advised you might not have all the dependencies |
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| 00:38.39 | carrera | ctmjr, thanks, I used dpkg -i to install ProjectLibre and I had all the deps |
| 00:39.16 | carrera | ctmjr, I was just wondering if it's better to use a high-level interface to the package manager? |
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| 00:43.41 | ctmjr | carrera: never use them so am not sure |
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| 00:44.03 | carrera | ctmjr, Okay, thanks! :) |
| 00:44.26 | carrera | ctmjr, do you use dpkg for updates too? |
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| 00:46.01 | ctmjr | am pretty sure gdebi has a the ability to install dependencies |
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| 00:46.35 | centrx | You never use apt-get? |
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| 00:52.49 | ctmjr | carrera: sorry miss read your question I prefer aptitude but apt-get has it's merits also |
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| 00:56.15 | carrera | ctmjr, I'm new to Debian (running Jessie) from years on Ubuntu and the last year on Xubuntu. Ubuntu and it's derivatives have a GUI software updater. I was told to run aptitude update followed by aptitude upgrade to keep my system up to date. Is that Okay? |
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| 00:56.42 | nkuttler | carrera: for testing, no |
| 00:57.04 | nkuttler | carrera: testing support is in #debian-next on the oftc irc network |
| 00:57.20 | carrera | nkuttler, damn, I just ran it and got a 58 MB update |
| 00:57.41 | carrera | nkuttler, thanks! :) |
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| 00:57.46 | zykotick9 | carrera: <just my opinion> but by running testing, you're missing out part of the magic of debian, and that's stability ;) |
| 00:58.48 | carrera | Zyferus, bang on! my system freezes regularly! :) |
| 00:59.00 | carrera | zykotick9, bang on! my system freezes regularly! :) |
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| 01:00.25 | carrera | nkuttler, how can I get an invite for #debian-next? |
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| 01:00.42 | zykotick9 | carrera: oftc, different irc network |
| 01:00.52 | zykotick9 | !tell carrera about oftc |
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| 01:02.59 | carrera | zykotick9, thank you sir. Obviously I can't read properly! |
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| 01:12.29 | djura-san | hi there. How can i disable remote X permanently on debian box? |
| 01:15.11 | centrx | djura-san, The X command line option for it is -nolisten tcp |
| 01:15.19 | centrx | djura-san, This should already be set by default in Debian |
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| 01:17.05 | djura-san | centrx: it is? Nice, i just added alias for it in bashrc. I'm not using graphical login manager so i presumed that if i add alias for startx that will not allow remote connections to X, that alias would be used and that this would be the easiest way to achieve what i want. |
| 01:18.04 | centrx | djura-san, See /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 01:18.31 | djura-san | centrx: i thought so, i was about to edit it but i wanted to be sure. THank you for help centrx :) |
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| 01:23.32 | jaggz | dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 62056 package 'amaya': |
| 01:23.32 | jaggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.32 | dpkg | jaggz: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 01:23.43 | jaggz | heh.. sorry dpkg. |
| 01:24.19 | jaggz | anyone know what's going on there? .. |
| 01:24.58 | jaggz | I wonder if that was from a manual install (checkinstall thing) of wxwidgets I did several years ago |
| 01:25.08 | dondelelcaro | jaggz: yes, that's almost certainly what it was from |
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| 01:25.27 | dondelelcaro | jaggz: you can probably just make a backup of /var/lib/dpkg/status, remove that stanza, and then try again. |
| 01:25.55 | dondelelcaro | jaggz: or better, remove/purge that package, then edit the status file to do that |
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| 01:26.02 | dondelelcaro | (and don't use checkinstall) |
| 01:26.14 | jaggz | trying to find it to remove it |
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| 01:27.40 | dondelelcaro | jaggz: if dpkg isn't letting you remove it, you can just edit the status file and clean things up manually |
| 01:27.56 | jaggz | aptitude remove --purge wx-11.2-pre4-1 ? I don't see wx-11.2-pre4-1 in aptitude search wx .. |
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| 01:28.27 | Ganymede | I have an ext3 filesystem and there's a directory in it with a link count of 2^32 - 285. There are only 2830 directories on that filesystem according to find -type d | wc, so is it possible for a directory to have that high of a link count? |
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| 01:28.50 | n-iCe | hello guys |
| 01:28.57 | n-iCe | just installed Debian but it is not taking my root password |
| 01:28.58 | n-iCe | any idea? |
| 01:29.04 | jaggz | oh.. it's AMAYA version wx-... what in the world.. |
| 01:29.12 | n-iCe | oh wait, works now. |
| 01:29.20 | Ganymede | n-iCe: Glad to be of assistance. |
| 01:29.28 | n-iCe | hehehe |
| 01:29.43 | n-iCe | I'm running an old Debian disc I used to work on. |
| 01:29.51 | n-iCe | what's the best way to upgrade to the last version |
| 01:30.00 | jaggz | what version are you at? |
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| 01:31.24 | n-iCe | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l |
| 01:31.30 | zykotick9 | !tell n-iCe about squeeze->wheezy |
| 01:32.26 | jaggz | I wonder why my ircd-hybrid start is failing .. the thing won't configure for some reason. |
| 01:32.36 | jaggz | Yet init.d/ircd-hybrid start; echo $? shows 0 |
| 01:33.00 | n-iCe | thanks, is wheezy stable or testing? |
| 01:33.04 | jaggz | unless it's already running.. in which case it puts out 1 |
| 01:33.59 | ctmjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.01 | zykotick9 | n-iCe: wheezy is current stable |
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| 01:34.20 | DoverMo | zomg no sound output with pulse O: |
| 01:34.39 | n-iCe | wait, will this change me to gnome 3? |
| 01:34.42 | n-iCe | I am using gnome2 |
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| 01:34.55 | zykotick9 | n-iCe: yes, wheezy uses gnome3 by default |
| 01:34.57 | DoverMo | n-iCe, debian 7+ is gnome3 |
| 01:35.02 | n-iCe | oh damn |
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| 01:35.06 | n-iCe | is it cute? |
| 01:35.11 | DoverMo | n-iCe, no |
| 01:35.27 | Minister_Seamore | Hello |
| 01:35.29 | n-iCe | daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn |
| 01:35.32 | DoverMo | n-iCe, best off setting up xfce or mate |
| 01:35.36 | zykotick9 | DoverMo: not sure you can say 7+ ;) currently 8 using xfce |
| 01:36.03 | themill | you use whichever packages you install... |
| 01:36.25 | Minister_Seamore | ;-) |
| 01:36.27 | zykotick9 | themill: true... |
| 01:37.20 | Minister_Seamore | i need kwin for debian stable, thanks |
| 01:37.51 | themill | Minister_Seamore: as in the kde window manager? |
| 01:38.05 | Minister_Seamore | xfce here.. |
| 01:38.10 | n-iCe | Well, too late for me |
| 01:38.17 | n-iCe | I already did the update upgrade with the weezy thing |
| 01:38.30 | themill | Minister_Seamore: so what are you looking for? |
| 01:38.37 | Minister_Seamore | some effects |
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| 01:38.46 | Minister_Seamore | compiz seems to suck |
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| 01:39.10 | themill | compiz isn't in debian |
| 01:39.21 | Minister_Seamore | yes,but sucks on my system.. |
| 01:39.28 | lakcaj | Hi. How can I do both purge and autoremove in the same command when uninstalling a package and its dependencies? |
| 01:39.45 | Minister_Seamore | risky? |
| 01:39.58 | Minister_Seamore | kwin has cool effects |
| 01:40.12 | zykotick9 | lakcaj: if you use aptitude, instead of apt-get, it should look after the autoremove for you |
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| 01:40.56 | Minister_Seamore | i need effects.. |
| 01:42.02 | ctmjr | when you click the mouse shake your monitor it's called the shakey effect |
| 01:42.03 | zykotick9 | thinks about human needs: food, water, shelter, eye-candy-desktop??? |
| 01:42.23 | PimpinKen | YES!! |
| 01:42.48 | PimpinKen | i NEED cool effects |
| 01:42.54 | zykotick9 | pufff |
| 01:42.55 | PimpinKen | compiz buggy |
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| 01:43.51 | n-iCe | does gnome3 comes with compiz? |
| 01:43.51 | yk | exit |
| 01:43.54 | n-iCe | or effects, etc? |
| 01:43.59 | PimpinKen | nop |
| 01:44.10 | PimpinKen | light* effects |
| 01:44.11 | nkuttler | gnome doesn't wobble? |
| 01:44.15 | PimpinKen | nop |
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| 01:44.27 | n-iCe | because gnome2 is using just 250MB of ram |
| 01:44.28 | n-iCe | which is amazing |
| 01:44.30 | PimpinKen | i need fancy effects |
| 01:44.36 | PimpinKen | gnome2 rocks |
| 01:44.37 | fubarx | is this a good question to ask for help in, or is there a separate "debian tech support for morons who can't get drivers working" channel I should be in? :) |
| 01:44.43 | fubarx | er, good *channel to ask for help in |
| 01:44.56 | zykotick9 | fubarx: you're in the right spot ;) |
| 01:45.04 | fubarx | zykotick9: all right, sweet |
| 01:45.27 | PimpinKen | i have 2 gtx titan's i need effects |
| 01:46.23 | fubarx | basically, trying to get a video card working (geforce 210). plugged it in and booted, x and gdm3 loaded fine but resolution options and so on were limited on the free (nouveau) drivers |
| 01:46.33 | PimpinKen | 210!!!! |
| 01:46.51 | lakcaj | zykotick9, that's like asking a tiger to change its stripes :-) |
| 01:46.52 | fubarx | so I tried installing the proprietary nvidia drivers according to the instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 01:47.33 | zykotick9 | lakcaj: hardly... i switched from apt-get to aptitude pretty easily? YMMV |
| 01:47.38 | PimpinKen | FUCK DEBIAN, Arch all the way BITCHEZ!!!! |
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| 01:47.49 | fubarx | but once I'd blacklisted nouveau, enabled the proprietary drivers, and rebooted - x wouldn't work at all |
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| 01:47.59 | fubarx | returns a "no screens found" error |
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| 01:48.16 | fubarx | spent the past hour or so trying various intuitive fixes, googling, trying the googled fixes...no dice |
| 01:48.17 | BenNZ | fubarx: did you create an xorg.conf ? |
| 01:48.29 | fubarx | so now I'm here to throw myself on y'all's mercy |
| 01:48.47 | fubarx | BenNZ: I made a .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for it, yeah |
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| 01:49.09 | BenNZ | fubarx: try moving it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf , and is it correct |
| 01:49.33 | fubarx | BenNZ: sure, I'll try that, and it should be, uses the right name for the driver module and so on |
| 01:50.37 | zykotick9 | fubarx: i doubt moving your xorg.conf.d snipit to xorg.conf is gonna work well... |
| 01:50.47 | fubarx | zykotick9: so do I, frankly |
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| 01:51.03 | fubarx | but I might as well try it for lack of a better idea |
| 01:51.43 | n-iCe | is there a way to keep gnome2 |
| 01:51.46 | zykotick9 | fubarx: you could use the "not recommended" 'sudo nvidia-xconfigure' < or similar |
| 01:51.49 | fubarx | I've tried reinstalling the nvidia drivers a couple times, and when I purge 'em they detect my conf file as pointing to the drivers I'm removing |
| 01:51.50 | n-iCe | and update upgrade the whoel system to the last? |
| 01:51.56 | zykotick9 | n-iCe: stay on squeeze? |
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| 01:52.19 | n-iCe | that will not update all |
| 01:52.47 | zykotick9 | n-iCe: if you want debian 7, you can't keep gnome2 |
| 01:52.50 | fubarx | zykotick9: i'll give that a shot then |
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| 01:53.12 | n-iCe | damn |
| 01:53.55 | zykotick9 | n-iCe: personally, i just dropped gnome... |
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| 01:56.15 | thaicares | I've used several distros and OS's to access LibreOffice, I prefer Debian for most things but Debian and Debian based distros have given me this issue http://i.imgur.com/46WZutP.png |
| 01:57.07 | thaicares | Libre Office shows boxes in place of letters/characters that could help me navigate the program! Only an issue in Debian + Debian based distros.... any help? |
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| 01:59.28 | trickyhero_ | I havn't seen that error, but you could try abiword for a diffrent word proccesor |
| 01:59.31 | dondelelcaro | thaicares: that looks like whatever font you're using has missing glyphs or something else wrong with it. does the same thing happen if you create a new user with the default configuration? |
| 02:00.08 | fubarx | zykotick9: I can't find anything called anything like nvidia-xconfigure |
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| 02:00.51 | zykotick9 | fubarx: that might not the the right name, try "sudo nvidia-<TAB><TAB>" and look for something similar (i don't use nvidia anymore) |
| 02:00.55 | foul_owl | Anyone know of a system wide eq for debian? |
| 02:01.28 | fubarx | zykotick9: ah, -settings |
| 02:01.37 | thaicares | dondelelcaro they did it before I touched the settings! |
| 02:01.53 | dondelelcaro | foul_owl: pulseaudio apparently has one |
| 02:02.04 | thaicares | I'm currenlty on testing but also had this issue in stable... same device though! |
| 02:02.06 | dondelelcaro | thaicares: well, it definitely doesn't here. |
| 02:02.42 | thaicares | dondelelcaro it is god that it isn't something major, however I DO have the issue |
| 02:02.52 | dondelelcaro | thaicares: does anything else show that? does it still happen if you move away ~/.libreoffice ? |
| 02:03.04 | foul_owl | It is generally ok to use Ubuntu PPAs for Debian? |
| 02:03.13 | zykotick9 | foul_owl: NO!!! |
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| 02:03.27 | zykotick9 | foul_owl: not directly anyways. |
| 02:03.32 | thaicares | move away? like to a new directory? And no I haven't found it in any other program but it is extremely prevelant in libreoffice! |
| 02:03.42 | thaicares | drop down menu is filled with it as well |
| 02:03.46 | dondelelcaro | thaicares: yes, like mv ~/.libreoffice ~/.libreoffice.bak |
| 02:04.05 | thaicares | however copying and pasting (when possible) reveals what it is suppose to say! |
| 02:04.06 | str3 | >_> |
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| 02:04.37 | fubarx | zykotick9: yeah, nothing doing, because it wants me to define the display I'm configuring, and no displays are being found |
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| 02:05.10 | zykotick9 | fubarx: ? sorry i got nothing - it's been a while since i configured nvidia propritary. best of luck. |
| 02:05.13 | foul_owl | Gotcha |
| 02:05.20 | thaicares | home/thaicares/.libreoffice doesn't exist :/ |
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| 02:05.31 | foul_owl | I have found instructions for installing an EQ in Ubuntu, but looking for debian instructions |
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| 02:05.53 | foul_owl | Basically this: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/system-wide-pulseaudio-equalizer.html |
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| 02:06.08 | thaicares | my .libreoffice dir DOESN'T exist |
| 02:06.20 | fubarx | zykotick9: no worries, thanks for trying |
| 02:06.21 | foul_owl | Oh, looks like it's no longer maintained anyways..hmm... |
| 02:06.39 | thaicares | dondelelcaro apparently I don't have a .libreoffice dir |
| 02:06.44 | zykotick9 | thaicares: check ~/.config/libreoffice |
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| 02:07.04 | dondelelcaro | thaicares: right; it's ~/.config/libreoffice as of libreoffice 4. |
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| 02:08.04 | thaicares | mv ~/.config/libreoffice ~/.config/libreoffice.bak |
| 02:08.13 | dondelelcaro | thaicares: yes. |
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| 02:08.47 | dondelelcaro | thaicares: secondly, do you have any of libreoffice-{gtk,gnome,kde,gtk3} installed? have you specified a font in a theme file or similar? |
| 02:09.23 | zykotick9 | dondelelcaro: i'm guessing your origional font idea, that i'm not sure the .config moving is gonna help, is the most likely. i also don't have this issue, installed LO 2 days ago... mind you, i'm on stable ;) |
| 02:10.01 | dondelelcaro | zykotick9: yes, I don't have it either... |
| 02:10.12 | thaicares | the issue still exists |
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| 02:10.30 | thaicares | maybe it is a font thing? Occurs in all libreoffice programs... |
| 02:10.33 | dondelelcaro | thaicares: OK. do you have any of those packages installed? which DM are you using? |
| 02:10.40 | xmetal | hmm foul_owl ... i have a Debian VMbox and a regular install of Debian |
| 02:10.55 | dondelelcaro | thaicares: yes, it's definitely a font thing. And presumably it's one of the fonts that you've specified as a gtk/kde/gnome or whatever theme |
| 02:10.57 | xmetal | i am going to try that in the "Virtualbox version" first |
| 02:11.02 | xmetal | (that equalizer) |
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| 02:11.05 | xmetal | see if it works |
| 02:11.07 | thaicares | dondelelcaro? packages? DM? |
| 02:11.12 | dondelelcaro | !dm |
| 02:11.13 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app, <slim> and <lightdm> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>. |
| 02:11.22 | johnfg | Is our openoffice the apache openoffice? |
| 02:11.29 | dondelelcaro | thaicares: 18:08:47 <dondelelcaro> thaicares: secondly, do you have any of libreoffice-{gtk,gnome,kde,gtk3} installed? have you specified a font in a theme file or similar? |
| 02:11.38 | thaicares | lightDM I believe |
| 02:11.39 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: no |
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| 02:11.51 | johnfg | I just found out that openoffice got donated to apache a couple of years ago. |
| 02:11.51 | xmetal | Apache now "owns" (i may not be using the right term) Open Office |
| 02:12.03 | xmetal | Oracle had it for a bit |
| 02:12.15 | atari314 | hey thaicares, which package of libreoffice did you install? |
| 02:12.29 | johnfg | dondelelcaro: I've not been totally satisfied with libreoffice. |
| 02:12.37 | thaicares | I'm using the libreoffice that came with the net install |
| 02:12.46 | johnfg | But, I don't know if openoffice is any better. |
| 02:12.51 | xmetal | i think thats when most Linux distros switched to Libre (which is created with the last pre-Oracle version AND done by alot of the original (pre-Oracle) Open Office coders anyway |
| 02:12.51 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: well, it's the one that is actually being developed anymore, IIRC. |
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| 02:13.00 | xmetal | but i dont know the details |
| 02:13.01 | johnfg | libreoffice has had problems with their impress. |
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| 02:14.02 | atari314 | thaicares: do you need any special localization for it? |
| 02:14.06 | xmetal | in either office suite, I mainly use Writer or Calc |
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| 02:15.18 | johnfg | I use both of those too, but have to use either impress or powerpoint pretty heavily. |
| 02:15.47 | johnfg | I'd rather use open source, but as I said, impress just doesn't perform well for me. |
| 02:16.14 | johnfg | There is an apache openoffice deb, the latest. So I'm gonna give it a try. |
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| 02:17.12 | xmetal | I think it was in Ubuntu a few versions back i tried to install both (just for kicks) and had issues |
| 02:17.22 | thaicares | atari314 I don't know why I would need special anything.... but idk |
| 02:17.24 | xmetal | i could install one, but that would "corrupt" the other |
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| 02:17.33 | xmetal | (no need for both, really) |
| 02:17.54 | thaicares | and I have no kde,gnome, etc libreoffice packages! not that I could find |
| 02:17.58 | atari314 | thaicares: did you setup the interface for some language that is not English? |
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| 02:18.36 | thaicares | atari314 I only setup English for Debian I didn't do any further setup that I can recall |
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| 02:18.57 | tiron | so I have this HTPC remote control that transmits to a USB reciever, but XBMC doesn't agree with all of its buttons, what's the easiest way to rebind/macro out some of the remote's buttons? |
| 02:19.19 | dondelelcaro | thaicares: OK. if you stop libreoffice, and start it with LANG=C GTK_THEME=Default libreoffice; does that change anything? |
| 02:19.28 | xmetal | I had a friend who evne on high speed spent a few days getting a distro of Linux ... installed the "English" iso and it was in German only |
| 02:19.31 | xmetal | lol |
| 02:20.03 | atari314 | thaicares: try this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libreoffice |
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| 02:21.07 | zykotick9 | atari314: i'd guess that's pointless... |
| 02:21.12 | jacksenechal | I need some help making a debian package. I'm following this post http://lowerstrata.blogspot.com/2010/07/canon-p-150-and-linux.html to get drivers working for my scanner on 64bit Ubuntu. It worked well for me on Ubuntu 12.04, but on 13.10 it's barfing on the command "fakeroot make -f debian/rules binary". dpkg-shlibdeps can't find several libraries that exist, even if I point to them explicitly with LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Paste of ou |
| 02:21.13 | jacksenechal | tput here: http://pastebin.com/kJnP6jCk. |
| 02:21.58 | atari314 | zykotick9: if, for some reason, another language other than english (with different charsets) was selected for the UI, wouldn't that reset the configuration files? |
| 02:22.07 | thaicares | dondelelcaro I think it may had HELPED however it still displays the empty blcok characters HEAVILY |
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| 02:23.20 | zykotick9 | atari314: no, you'd need to purge then reinstall to reset default system setting. but i don't think it's an issue with what's installed (well, the LO part anyways). |
| 02:23.55 | thaicares | apt-get install --reinstall libreoffice E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 02:24.07 | zykotick9 | atari314: uninstall / reinstall is a windows trouble shooting step, it rarely help in gnu/linux |
| 02:24.25 | thaicares | the above is how the reinstall went anyhow.... |
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| 02:24.54 | atari314 | zykotick9: I disagree, as long the uninstall remove the config files |
| 02:25.17 | johnfg | xmetal: That sounds like what happened when my son bought me the Daniel Craig - 007 Trilogy, and the encoding was Australian! |
| 02:25.24 | atari314 | specially on packages that spread a lot |
| 02:25.35 | zykotick9 | atari314: config files in a users' home directory are never touched (even by purge)... |
| 02:25.53 | johnfg | There was a workaround to play them, but instead, he got his money back. |
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| 02:26.03 | atari314 | zykotick9: so try removing 'em first, launching libreoffice and check if that helps |
| 02:26.26 | zykotick9 | atari314: right, but in this case - that didn't help... |
| 02:27.06 | atari314 | zykotick9: and are there general config files outside the home? |
| 02:27.28 | xmetal | had a family member (who doesn't have the best eye-sight) buy a cd of "Bob Dylan" once ... .got home (I swear on my life i cant make this up) and saw it was "Bob Dylan ... by the Boston Pop Sympany" |
| 02:27.37 | xmetal | oops ... i typo'ed that but you get the point |
| 02:27.42 | xmetal | lol |
| 02:28.19 | thaicares | zykotick9 I never removed the temp files, just checked they didn't even move! |
| 02:28.34 | thaicares | mv just made a copy named libreoffice.bak in my .config |
| 02:28.58 | zykotick9 | thaicares: what DE are you using? do you have anything else to try installed? perhaps install something small like openbox/fluxbox and see if the issue occurs there. |
| 02:29.27 | thaicares | I'm using xfce but I guess I can try openbox! |
| 02:29.27 | zykotick9 | thaicares: that libreoffice.bak is not going to be used by LO, so it would reset your user's settings. |
| 02:30.13 | thaicares | zykotick9 that makes A LOT more sense now then when I got the instructions :D |
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| 02:30.34 | zykotick9 | thaicares: i'm suggesting that because i certianly don't have the issue with dwm (and i'd guess dondelelcaro probably isn't using xfce either... but maybe?) |
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| 02:31.56 | thaicares | zykotick9 I guess I will have to logout and back in with openbox.... |
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| 02:32.03 | zykotick9 | thaicares: yup |
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| 02:35.58 | thaicares_ | I'm guessing that was the fix KIND OF I had to run the command I was given earlier to open it because there is no gui menu that came installed |
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| 02:36.11 | thaicares_ | but I see no visable boxes |
| 02:36.41 | xmetal | hmm |
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| 02:37.00 | thaicares_ | the empty boxes are gone is what I mean... so that is good |
| 02:37.09 | xmetal | gave me a 404 not found error |
| 02:37.14 | thaicares_ | except I like xfce for the most part... |
| 02:37.28 | xmetal | (was trying that pulse audio think Foul_owl was going to try)] |
| 02:37.35 | xmetal | (in my debian vbox) |
| 02:37.39 | zykotick9 | thaicares_: so it's NOT happening in openbox? |
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| 02:38.08 | thaicares_ | I guess I was thinking about using kwin ONLY but maybe I still wouldn't have the issue I'm imagining they have kde packages to which might fix the problem if it did remain |
| 02:38.18 | thaicares_ | and no it is NOT happening in openbox! |
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| 02:38.42 | zykotick9 | thaicares_: interesting. perhaps try asking in Xfce (i assume they have an irc channel somewhere) |
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| 02:39.12 | thaicares_ | zykotick9 THEY DO but it is horribly inactive and always just feels like a waste of time! |
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| 02:39.50 | zykotick9 | thaicares_: well, at least you know where the problem is happening now ;) best of luck. |
| 02:40.04 | thaicares_ | zykotick9 well thank you! |
| 02:40.32 | zykotick9 | thaicares_: glad to help (sorry it's not a fix) ;) |
| 02:40.54 | thaicares_ | half way there is better than at the starting line, probably... |
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| 02:42.37 | xmetal | I try different DE's and switch from time to time, though I use Xfce most |
| 02:42.38 | xmetal | :) |
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| 03:07.20 | maurer_ | OK, so I've made a mistake, and libc.so is gone |
| 03:07.39 | maurer_ | Any suggestions on how to get it back, or am I going to have to restore it manually? |
| 03:07.44 | maurer_ | (I have a few ssh sessions still open) |
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| 03:15.53 | Okee | I am experiencing some strange phenomena. I am attempting to open an attachment in an email with a program than the default, but the program isn't showing up in /bin directory, even though it is resident and active. Any idea what is going on? And how I can make these programs visible to the mouse, so that I can view attachments before they are downloaded? |
| 03:16.29 | fluffywolf | how about /usr/bin? |
| 03:16.45 | zykotick9 | Okee: "whereis foo" |
| 03:17.25 | Okee | zykotick9> /usr/bin/mupdf This reader is working and I am able to use it with other pdf files on my desktop. |
| 03:18.12 | Okee | zykotick9> I am looking in the /bin directory and don't see it. |
| 03:18.24 | zykotick9 | Okee: /usr/bin |
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| 03:18.33 | Okee | zykotick9> Yes |
| 03:18.42 | Okee | I don't see the mupdf in /usr/bin |
| 03:18.44 | zykotick9 | /usr/bin != /bin |
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| 03:19.11 | Okee | okular isn't showing up either. |
| 03:19.19 | Okee | And it too is working. |
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| 03:19.37 | Okee | Are these files hidden by default? I am going to take a break, and will return in 10 minutes. |
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| 03:25.52 | marc_smith | what is the main reason for Debian to go SystemD? will there be any choice between different init systems? |
| 03:27.17 | Tramp | !systemd |
| 03:27.18 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and will be be the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". http://wiki.debian.org/systemd http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:27.31 | centrx | marc_smith, systemd has a number of advantages over sysvinit and upstart |
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| 03:27.46 | centrx | marc_smith, I am not sure if there was a decision on whether there would be a choice, but I assume there will be |
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| 03:28.10 | johnfg | Many other distros are *not* making the switch to systemd. |
| 03:28.20 | centrx | marc_smith, There is a great talk on systemd at Debconf from one of the main systemd developers, http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2013/debconf13/high/983_Why_Debian_should_or_should_not_make_systemd_the_default.ogv |
| 03:28.53 | johnfg | I've been using debian for a long time, but am not going to plan on switching to systemd. |
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| 03:29.39 | marc_smith | for now I see systemd as a very complicated piece of software with a very strange administration methods. I guess I'd have to learn more |
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| 03:30.32 | marc_smith | I'm kinda scarred of the d-bus-like software |
| 03:30.42 | marc_smith | to me it's a mess |
| 03:31.22 | rjsalts | marc_smith: would you suggest everyone create their own adhoc protocols to communicate with other processes? |
| 03:32.02 | marc_smith | no, I like the idea of everyone having the same init system |
| 03:32.11 | marc_smith | but I'm just wondering if it really has to be systemd |
| 03:33.16 | marc_smith | usually I get the concept behind the software right away when I look at it. With systemd I found myself gazing at the specs with panic in my eyes |
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| 03:35.54 | maurer_ | Um, is there a reason the busybox installed is not statically linked? |
| 03:36.01 | maurer_ | I almost thought I was gonna manage to recover |
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| 03:36.41 | themill | maurer_: busybox-static |
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| 03:37.08 | maurer_ | themill: Is that a separate package? |
| 03:37.18 | themill | maurer_: yes. In what way is libc.so gone, btw? |
| 03:38.06 | themill | (precisely which file(s) are missing) |
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| 03:38.26 | maurer_ | themill: I was running an upgrade, and the ncurses display for swapping libcs glitched out |
| 03:38.40 | maurer_ | I couldn't hit yes or no, so I ended up terminating the process |
| 03:39.02 | maurer_ | When I tried to dpkg --configure, it complained about the stuck state, so I tried to apt-get -f install |
| 03:39.03 | themill | maurer_: which architecture do you have here (amd64? i386?) |
| 03:39.06 | maurer_ | amd64 |
| 03:39.21 | maurer_ | At that point, it complained about the fact that there was already a libc there |
| 03:39.25 | themill | ah |
| 03:39.26 | maurer_ | I reflexively deleted it without thinking |
| 03:39.27 | maurer_ | like a derp |
| 03:39.43 | maurer_ | I've used dcc to ship myself a new libc.so file |
| 03:39.46 | maurer_ | but I can't run mv |
| 03:39.49 | maurer_ | or mark files +x |
| 03:40.07 | themill | but the .so is on disk somewhere and you have a root shell? |
| 03:40.20 | themill | I assume it's /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so you've copied over |
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| 03:41.06 | maurer_ | themill: Uh, I've copied over 2.17 |
| 03:41.15 | maurer_ | but I can fetch and send 2.13 if you've got a way to use it |
| 03:41.17 | themill | is this a wheezy or jessie/sid machine? |
| 03:41.27 | maurer_ | It is a machine in betweeen wheezy and testing |
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| 03:41.34 | themill | fun |
| 03:41.35 | maurer_ | I was running dist-upgrade |
| 03:41.57 | themill | and you've got a root shell open there (not reliant on su or sudo?) |
| 03:42.35 | maurer_ | themill: Yes, I have: |
| 03:42.37 | themill | LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/libc-2.17.so cp /path/to/libc-2.17.so /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ |
| 03:42.38 | maurer_ | 1.) Bash running as root |
| 03:42.46 | maurer_ | 2.) This irssi client |
| 03:43.07 | maurer_ | themill: When I tried doing that for ls, it complained that it couldn't load, let me tfetch the exact error |
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| 03:43.19 | maurer_ | ERROR: ld.so: object 'libc.so.6' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 03:43.20 | maurer_ | ls: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 03:44.44 | maurer_ | My suspicion is that LD_PRELOAD doesn't work without libc.so, because libc.so is used by ld.so |
| 03:44.53 | themill | ahh... things link against libc.so.6 which is a symlink to that. |
| 03:45.32 | themill | Can you also dcc the symlink across? or even just dcc the same file across but called libc.so.6 |
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| 03:46.36 | maurer_ | themill: Symlinks can't be dcc'd, that's metadata |
| 03:46.58 | themill | yeah (I never use dcc). perhaps just rename the file and dcc it again then. |
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| 03:47.12 | maurer_ | Pretty sure the problem isn't the name? |
| 03:47.28 | maurer_ | (the version I've dcc'd across _is_ called libc.so.6) |
| 03:47.54 | themill | is confused now |
| 03:48.01 | themill | I thought you'd sent /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.17.so |
| 03:48.09 | maurer_ | I did, but I sent it called libc.so.6 |
| 03:48.21 | centrx | Funny |
| 03:48.21 | maurer_ | It also doesn't land in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ |
| 03:48.27 | maurer_ | because I'm not root when I irc |
| 03:48.37 | maurer_ | (hurr, this is the first time I have wished I was ircing as root) |
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| 03:48.41 | themill | sure, but you should be able to LD_PRELOAD it |
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| 03:48.57 | maurer_ | themill: ld.so (the dynamic loader) depends on libc.so.6 |
| 03:49.03 | maurer_ | So it can't LD_PRELOAD |
| 03:49.08 | maurer_ | (at least this is my understanding) |
| 03:49.15 | themill | I've done this before |
| 03:49.30 | maurer_ | 22:43 < maurer_> ERROR: ld.so: object 'libc.so.6' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
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| 03:49.36 | maurer_ | what does this mean then? |
| 03:49.57 | themill | I'm trying to work that out right now |
| 03:50.23 | maurer_ | OK |
| 03:50.48 | maurer_ | Oh |
| 03:50.50 | maurer_ | I've got an idea |
| 03:51.06 | maurer_ | Yep |
| 03:51.12 | maurer_ | LD_PRELOAD wants a full path |
| 03:51.14 | maurer_ | not a relative path |
| 03:51.15 | maurer_ | a derp |
| 03:51.17 | themill | yes |
| 03:51.27 | maurer_ | got a working ls, may recover soon |
| 03:52.21 | themill | cool. That should be enough to get ldconfig to run which should be enough to get everything else stabilised. |
| 03:52.39 | themill | You then need to help dpkg cope with the unowned libc issue. |
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| 03:53.33 | maurer_ | OK, I am now up to A copy of the C library was found in an unexpected directory: '/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.17.so' |
| 03:53.36 | maurer_ | It is not safe to upgrade the C library in this situation; |
| 03:53.38 | maurer_ | please remove that copy of the C library or get it out of |
| 03:53.41 | maurer_ | '/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu' and try again. |
| 03:53.43 | maurer_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:54.03 | themill | yeah... it's not really the happiest situation |
| 03:54.17 | maurer_ | Is there a way to tell it "Don't worry, you're not going to make it worse, just go ahead" ? |
| 03:54.55 | WilliamDotSI | gpg shows me a pub id and a sub id when i do -k |
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| 03:55.06 | WilliamDotSI | both export the same private/public key, whats the difference? |
| 03:55.16 | WilliamDotSI | (my phone sees them as different keypairs, thats why i ask) |
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| 04:00.13 | themill | maurer_: the only thing I can think of here is to use a local copy of libc, to move that one away again and then "LD_PRELOAD=/your/libc dpkg -i /path/to/libc6_*deb". It's not a particularly pleasant solution though. |
| 04:00.29 | maurer_ | I just tried that with apt and it failed |
| 04:00.39 | maurer_ | I think because the migration was incomplete and apt itself may not have pivoted to the new version |
| 04:00.42 | maurer_ | but I'll try it with dpkg |
| 04:00.50 | trickyhero_ | is it possible to install debian with a sd card like a usb drive? |
| 04:01.18 | maurer_ | themill: Yeah, I get subprocess new pre-installation script was killed by signal (Segmentation fault) |
| 04:01.25 | SirLagz | trickyhero_: if you can boot off the SD Card, yes |
| 04:01.33 | themill | maurer_: oh, fun. |
| 04:02.17 | maurer_ | Maybe dpkg is calling something and not passing LD_PRELOAD along? |
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| 04:05.02 | rmzelnick | I have a BCM43224 802.11a/b/g/n |
| 04:05.17 | rmzelnick | and I did install b43-firmware-installer with brcmsmac |
| 04:05.21 | dvs | !pity rmzelnick |
| 04:05.48 | rmzelnick | also bcma is loaded, but the driver doesn't work. Before, when I had gnome I just installed and it worked right away. |
| 04:06.06 | rmzelnick | !pity me |
| 04:06.17 | rmzelnick | !pity rmzelnick |
| 04:06.24 | rmzelnick | nah it does nothing haha |
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| 04:06.55 | rmzelnick | By the way, I'm checking with ifconfig if wlan0 appears but I could be wrong.. |
| 04:07.11 | rmzelnick | Perhaps I could check another way? |
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| 04:08.19 | dvs | rmzelnick: Try the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package? |
| 04:08.59 | rmzelnick | dvs: it looks like the module I should use is wl |
| 04:09.03 | rmzelnick | https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 04:09.12 | rmzelnick | It matched exactly the model description |
| 04:09.29 | dvs | rmzelnick: That's the only version that worked for me in the past. |
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| 04:09.39 | themill | maurer_: what does "dpkg -L libc6:amd64" output? |
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| 04:14.17 | chipotle | how do i join pdf files together? is it with cat? i forget how to do it... |
| 04:15.07 | themill | chipotle: pdftk |
| 04:15.11 | chipotle | thanks |
| 04:15.30 | maurer_ | themill: lots, wnat a pastebin? |
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| 04:16.07 | themill | sure |
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| 04:17.47 | maurer_ | themill: http://pastebin.com/bvStPAh7 |
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| 04:18.36 | maurer_ | iH libc6:amd64 2.13-38 amd64 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared librari |
| 04:18.43 | maurer_ | hm, should I try shipping a 2.13-38 and upgrading? |
| 04:18.58 | themill | and what does "dpkg-query -S /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.17.so /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so" say? |
| 04:19.23 | us_0gb | I'm trying to boot a live Debian USB from GRUB so I can install it. Does anyone know what GRUB commands I would need to use to do that? |
| 04:19.33 | maurer_ | themill: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.17.so |
| 04:19.36 | maurer_ | libc6:amd64: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so |
| 04:20.00 | themill | maurer_: yeah, so apt thinks you've got 2.13 there and doesn't know why there's a 2.17 there which is why it is bitching and moaning. |
| 04:20.09 | themill | s/apt/dpkg/ |
| 04:20.14 | maurer_ | Yeah, I'll go fetch one and move the symlink |
| 04:20.23 | maurer_ | I selected the version based on what the symlink was pointing at |
| 04:20.29 | themill | ah |
| 04:20.46 | themill | Moving the 2.17 stuff out of the way and getting a 2.13 in there should sort things out |
| 04:22.20 | maurer_ | Yeah, trying to do that now |
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| 04:25.46 | rmzelnick | dvs: gosh I forgot to check with iwconfig xD |
| 04:27.39 | maurer_ | themill: Still segmentation faults |
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| 04:28.33 | themill | maurer_: I assume you don't really know at what point that is happening |
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| 04:30.19 | maurer_ | No, but I just got another idea |
| 04:30.23 | maurer_ | (this is getting ridiculous) |
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| 04:31.07 | maurer_ | hm, doesn't seem to help |
| 04:31.09 | themill | I wonder if telling debconf to keep it simple would help (DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive) |
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| 04:32.43 | themill | btw have you been able to download and install the busybox-static package? Just sayin'... |
| 04:33.21 | maurer_ | themill: I can run any commands I want to at this poing |
| 04:33.24 | maurer_ | *point |
| 04:33.37 | maurer_ | busybox static wouldn't help, and apt can't install anything until I figure out how to make it stop segfaulting |
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| 04:34.21 | themill | I'd not worry about at just now and make sure you've got a working dpkg. And busybox as a fallback on a just in case basis. |
| 04:34.46 | maurer_ | dpkg appears to work |
| 04:34.46 | dpkg | maurer_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 04:35.00 | themill | maurer_: oh, cool... so "dpkg-reconfigure libc6" is ok? |
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| 04:36.33 | maurer_ | themill: dpkg-reconfigure doesn't seem to work though... |
| 04:36.43 | maurer_ | dpkg does fine |
| 04:36.43 | dpkg | maurer_: no idea |
| 04:37.22 | themill | or even just "dpkg -i /path/to/libc6_2.17-97_amd64.deb" ? |
| 04:37.48 | maurer_ | themill: Tried that one, it segfaults during pre-install scripts |
| 04:38.02 | maurer_ | I wonder if interpreters run with #! don't inherit flags and don't get preloads? |
| 04:38.26 | themill | and DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive dpkg -i /path/to/libc6_2.17-97_amd64.deb ? |
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| 04:39.39 | maurer_ | themill: Still killed by signal |
| 04:39.45 | themill | boo |
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| 04:40.27 | maurer_ | Yeah, it looks like what's going on is that shell scripts don't run |
| 04:40.35 | maurer_ | because when they're exec'd LD_PRELOAD doesn't happen |
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| 04:40.49 | themill | but you don't need that LD_PRELOAD any more do you? |
| 04:41.27 | maurer_ | themill: Um, I put the libc-2.13-38 file there, but without LD_PRELOAD it segfaults |
| 04:41.41 | maurer_ | it doesn't say can't find libc anymore |
| 04:41.43 | maurer_ | but nothing works |
| 04:42.11 | maurer_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 10 Nov 29 12:00 ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 -> ld-2.17.so |
| 04:42.11 | maurer_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 10 Feb 18 22:03 ld-linux-x86-64.so.2.dpkg-tmp -> ld-2.13.so |
| 04:42.13 | maurer_ | ugh |
| 04:42.24 | themill | maurer_: ahh. So does the libc.so.6 symlink point to the right place? and ld.so? |
| 04:42.37 | maurer_ | it looks like some of the symlinks point at 17 and some at 13 |
| 04:42.43 | maurer_ | so I'll go fix up the symlinks and try again |
| 04:42.56 | themill | yeah, try getting that lot consistent |
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| 04:50.44 | maurer_ | themill: Well that backfired |
| 04:51.11 | maurer_ | themill: Now any program I try to run says the program is missing |
| 04:51.43 | maurer_ | I assume this means that by doing that I somehow hosed my shell |
| 04:53.18 | themill | got that busybox-static package installed? |
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| 04:53.28 | maurer_ | No, I was a derp |
| 04:53.32 | maurer_ | I'll think of something |
| 04:53.34 | themill | boo |
| 04:53.42 | maurer_ | I didn't want to manually unpack it |
| 04:53.48 | maurer_ | which was dumb |
| 04:55.37 | skiddex | Can anyone suggest why ssh over wan fails but ssh over lan works? Thanks |
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| 04:56.01 | nightfly | ssh -vvvv |
| 04:56.03 | Dewi | skiddex: fails how? times out connecting? drops? |
| 04:56.04 | maurer_ | Oh, I suspec that I did something in the wrong order and broke the ld-linux symlink by shifting a symlink downwind of it |
| 04:56.09 | themill | maurer_: if you can unpack it elsewhere and dcc /bin/busybox across then you're good |
| 04:56.16 | maurer_ | Yeah |
| 04:56.23 | maurer_ | assuming it's the issue I think it is that'll work |
| 04:56.38 | themill | (busybox has a dpkg builtin which can be rather handy too) |
| 04:56.41 | jkoby | skiddex: NAT? |
| 04:56.58 | skiddex | it doesn't connect- i ssh from cygwin on wan fails - no connection |
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| 04:58.31 | maurer_ | themill: I'm gonna try it, but I am a little worried that I'm not going to find a way to set it +x |
| 04:58.33 | skiddex | not using rsa to try to make it work also using default tcp 22 port in config |
| 04:59.07 | skiddex | opened 22 through fw and router |
| 04:59.40 | Rusty1 | nmap confirms? |
| 04:59.53 | jkoby | skiddex: are you able to SSH anywhere else from cygwin? |
| 04:59.57 | maurer_ | themill: DCC no longer ships files, I get permission denied now for some reason |
| 05:00.07 | jkoby | skiddex: windows firewall could be pulling something stupid. |
| 05:00.17 | themill | maurer_: eek |
| 05:00.33 | skiddex | well i haven't tried that yet |
| 05:00.47 | skiddex | i guess i could |
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| 05:01.20 | maurer_ | themill: Hm, I tried setting my output directory to be /tmp and get a different error |
| 05:01.27 | skiddex | going to look at /var/log/auth.log to see if is blocked there |
| 05:01.30 | maurer_ | for my home directory I get permission denied, for /tmp I'm told it does not exist |
| 05:01.33 | skiddex | brb |
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| 05:02.59 | themill | maurer_: as to the chmod bit, you could probably .../ld-linux.so /bin/chmod +x busybox |
| 05:03.44 | maurer_ | themill: so, when a working running process tries to read or write it's getting file does not exist or permission denied, depending on wher eit is |
| 05:03.48 | maurer_ | I've tried both /tmp an /var/tmp |
| 05:03.58 | themill | yeah... no idea. |
| 05:04.57 | themill | maurer_: would your irc client be running external processes to download/stat/move/chmod ? |
| 05:05.01 | maurer_ | themill: Oh, would mucking that up have killed a live crypto or llvm daemon? |
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| 05:05.11 | maurer_ | themill: I think no, I think it is using perl |
| 05:05.18 | themill | I wouldn't have thought so. |
| 05:05.28 | maurer_ | themill: If it were, shouldn't it have failed earlier when I oculdn't run anything for wont of a libc? |
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| 05:05.48 | maurer_ | (only thing I can think of at this point is that I've actually killed the filesystem daemon somehow) |
| 05:05.58 | themill | yeah. You could possibly get irssi to chmod +x the file too... but you need to get the file there first |
| 05:06.02 | maurer_ | yeah |
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| 05:06.43 | themill | maurer_: "echo /tmp/*" ? |
| 05:07.00 | themill | (echo is a good replacement for ls in this situation) |
| 05:07.34 | maurer_ | root@mimung:/home/maurer# echo /tmp/* |
| 05:07.35 | maurer_ | /tmp/aptitude-root.22427:DycIw |
| 05:07.42 | maurer_ | Guess the fs isn't dead |
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| 05:08.10 | maurer_ | and echo "foo" > /tmp/bar runs |
| 05:08.41 | skiddex | ok tried looking at /var/log/auth.log|grep -i fail - no problems noted |
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| 05:09.53 | skiddex | atually this is an os on an sd card so i think i will pull it reformat and start over |
| 05:10.22 | skiddex | sometimes that's all you can do |
| 05:11.03 | skiddex | thanks for the suggestions though - back to the drawing board lol |
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| 05:11.39 | maurer_ | themill: Well, I may just have to do this with physical access in a boot env tomorrow |
| 05:11.42 | maurer_ | oh well :( |
| 05:11.53 | maurer_ | I'm gonna try rebooting and see if it mystically comes back up (unlikely) |
| 05:11.57 | themill | unlikely |
| 05:12.01 | maurer_ | oh wait, I don't even know how to make it reboot |
| 05:12.02 | maurer_ | :| |
| 05:12.18 | themill | you might want to take a long a live image |
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| 05:13.39 | skiddex | i hate to crash it because i had fail2ban working on it -- and i already checked out the app and iptables so no problems there. |
| 05:14.48 | skiddex | maybe as a last resort i'll reinstall ssh using xrdp |
| 05:15.16 | skiddex | couldn't hurt i guess |
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| 05:22.17 | maurer_ | themill: Yeah, I may actually just nuke it since /home and /var are on other partitoins |
| 05:22.20 | maurer_ | *partitions |
| 05:22.45 | maurer_ | themill: It just feels like defeat to not be able to fix it remotely despite having something that resembles code execution |
| 05:22.49 | maurer_ | (but evidently isn't) |
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| 05:23.15 | themill | yeah |
| 05:24.05 | themill | So nothing other than shell builtins works even if you do an LD_PRELOAD and ld-linux.so dance? |
| 05:24.19 | maurer_ | Correct |
| 05:24.27 | maurer_ | let me just double check |
| 05:24.47 | maurer_ | yeah, I still get bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory |
| 05:24.55 | maurer_ | it seems like _exec_ no longer works |
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| 05:25.10 | maurer_ | oh wait, onesec |
| 05:25.13 | maurer_ | I may have derped there |
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| 05:25.37 | maurer_ | Ah yeah, I derped |
| 05:25.43 | maurer_ | the no such file is an error about no such ld-linux |
| 05:26.06 | ajeya | hi, got a problem with empathy client for IRC |
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| 05:27.11 | ajeya | I searched in Ubuntu forums and see many people facing the same problem. The Empathy client gives "network error" when trying to connect irc freenode.net. but works with other channels. is there any workaround for this? |
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| 05:28.08 | maurer_ | Yeah, I've regained control |
| 05:28.38 | themill | :) |
| 05:28.50 | maurer_ | This is... an adventure |
| 05:28.54 | maurer_ | Now fetching busybox |
| 05:29.07 | themill | It's a very good way of learning lots about the loader.... |
| 05:29.21 | maurer_ | well, dcc still not moving files about |
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| 05:31.36 | themill | so you have netcat (or even busybox's nc) there that you can use to listen on a random port and use that to copy the file across? You can at least start nc with whatever preload dance is required |
| 05:31.44 | themill | s/so/do/ |
| 05:32.54 | maurer_ | YESSS! |
| 05:32.57 | maurer_ | I don't need netcat |
| 05:33.13 | maurer_ | My suspicion about what was wrong appears right |
| 05:33.41 | maurer_ | I didn't manage to update the /lib64 symlink atomically with the ones in /lib/x8* |
| 05:33.54 | maurer_ | I updated that symlink and everything seems fine |
| 05:34.04 | maurer_ | dist-upgrade is proceeding |
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| 05:36.20 | themill | fun |
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| 05:36.45 | maurer_ | All this to upgrade my libc so I can deploy my webapp |
| 05:36.49 | maurer_ | :P |
| 05:36.52 | themill | egads |
| 05:37.19 | themill | I suspect we're a little beyond "jessie isn't very good on a server" chat though, aren't we |
| 05:37.20 | maurer_ | I'm totally gonna install busybox static once the upgrade finishes |
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| 05:37.38 | maurer_ | themill: So, I wanted to run stable, but the glibc on it is not something I have access to on a build machine |
| 05:37.50 | maurer_ | themill: So when I build the webapp, the binary _will not run_ on debian stable |
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| 05:38.03 | themill | build it in a wheezy chroot? |
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| 05:38.11 | themill | is this webapp really linking against libc? |
| 05:38.12 | maurer_ | themill: Unless I want to backport the entire webframework, that doesn't work |
| 05:38.17 | maurer_ | the webapp isn't |
| 05:38.26 | maurer_ | but it's linking against plenty of other stuff that is |
| 05:38.38 | maurer_ | I'm using http://www.yesodweb.com/ |
| 05:38.46 | maurer_ | So I'd have to port modern ghc back to debian stable |
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| 05:41.33 | themill | ack. I guess this is why I make sure the development environment is the same as the production environment. |
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| 05:41.52 | maurer_ | Yeah, but the tools aren't availabl efor 3 year old software >_> |
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| 05:44.12 | themill | (not even 2, actually) |
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| 05:44.51 | maurer_ | themill: the glibc in use is from 2011 |
| 05:44.56 | maurer_ | themill: which is the thing that wasn't working |
| 05:45.11 | themill | yesod in wheezy is 1.0.1 |
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| 05:46.06 | maurer_ | Ah yeah, but I'm using Fay, whose integration is from after that |
| 05:46.33 | themill | you kids and your new fangled toys :þ |
| 05:47.32 | maurer_ | In any case, the attack surface for this system is going to be irssi, ssh, and this webapp |
| 05:47.35 | themill | maurer_: you're going to have to pay attention to security updates (or lack thereof) on that syste |
| 05:47.50 | themill | and kernel. and everything the webapp links to |
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| 05:48.51 | maurer_ | themill: OK, how about this then - the development for this app is done on a gentoo machine with ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~amd64 which is regularly publically routable |
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| 05:49.09 | themill | egads |
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| 06:33.15 | centrx | SpikeSmith, Wheezy |
| 06:33.54 | centrx | SpikeSmith, squeeze is "oldstable", the release before wheezy and support for it will end this May |
| 06:34.02 | SpikeSmith | OK will give it a try, thanks ;) |
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| 07:08.11 | SpikeSmith | Any recommendations for a desktop enviroment for Wheezy on a netbook, LXDE, Xfce. Wil these use less resources than Gnome? |
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| 07:09.15 | ksuhku | SpikeSmith, yes they will, lxde is even lighter than xfce which is just a bit lighter than gnome |
| 07:10.02 | SpikeSmith | lxde it is then, thanks |
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| 07:33.01 | johnfreez | i'm looking for a channel specifically about over-worked hard diskes |
| 07:33.04 | johnfreez | *disks |
| 07:33.14 | johnfreez | because science |
| 07:33.41 | bazhang | ##hardware |
| 07:33.43 | johnfreez | ... internet-speak leaks throughout the net |
| 07:34.24 | johnfreez | gratified by bazhang |
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| 07:34.31 | johnfreez | gratitude |
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| 07:55.11 | Gr1 | Hi everyone |
| 07:55.46 | Gr1 | When I am creating a .deb package, I would like to make sure some permissions are retained to the files |
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| 07:56.03 | Gr1 | Is postinst the best way for the same? |
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| 07:56.20 | Gr1 | Or is there any other reliable method? |
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| 08:01.26 | centrx | Gr1, Try OFTC in #debian-mentors / #debian-devel |
| 08:03.03 | Gr1 | Thanks centrx |
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| 08:10.07 | anthonym | No idea why I've missed here, but I've installed hhvm-fastcgi without a problem, and it works like a charm. Just doesn't run on boot up. I mean, I can start the service (service hhvm-fastcgi start) and it runs fine, listening on port 9000 as intended. tho just doesn't run on boot. |
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| 08:12.09 | anthonym | I could always use a hammer. that usually works. |
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| 08:14.43 | Iridos | to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail |
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| 08:15.28 | anthonym | and to a nail, every man who's been trying to figure out how to get something going for quite some time, has a hammer. :) |
| 08:15.30 | bhuddah | how do things look like to a man with a nuclear warhead? |
| 08:15.31 | Iridos | and I don't see any hhvm-fastcgi in the repos |
| 08:15.54 | anthonym | insserv complaints that lsb tags don't exist in the hhvm-fastcgi init script. |
| 08:16.03 | anthonym | its out of the box tho, surely that couldn't be it. |
| 08:16.23 | Iridos | judd, versions hhvm-fastcgi |
| 08:16.24 | judd | No package named 'hhvm-fastcgi' was found in i386. |
| 08:16.26 | anthonym | insserv: warning: script 'hhvm' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 08:16.30 | Iridos | neither does judd |
| 08:16.30 | anthonym | judd, versions hhvm |
| 08:16.32 | judd | No package named 'hhvm' was found in i386. |
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| 08:16.55 | Iridos | so you didn't install that from debian repos... so you should expect bad quality |
| 08:17.04 | Iridos | and having to fix stuff up |
| 08:17.11 | anthonym | yeah, I can understand that |
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| 08:17.21 | Iridos | add the lsb tags |
| 08:17.41 | Iridos | there's a skeleton example for an init script with tags somewhere |
| 08:17.44 | Iridos | dpkg, lsb tags |
| 08:17.44 | dpkg | From 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, Debian uses a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires all init scripts having appropriate headers, so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from 3.1 "Sarge" and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 08:17.53 | anthonym | thank you :) |
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| 08:18.49 | Iridos | ah, there |
| 08:18.52 | Iridos | dpkg, init.d |
| 08:18.53 | dpkg | /etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <rc.local> <runlevel>. See also <missing lsb tags>. |
| 08:19.04 | Iridos | ha... and, last but not least |
| 08:19.07 | Iridos | dpkg, missing lsb tags |
| 08:19.09 | dpkg | From 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, Debian uses a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires all init scripts having appropriate headers, so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from 3.1 "Sarge" and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 08:19.20 | Iridos | oh well |
| 08:19.24 | anthonym | thank you mate :) |
| 08:20.05 | cloromorpho | dpkg, authbind |
| 08:20.05 | dpkg | i guess authbind is is a program which Allows non-root programs to bind() to low ports |
| 08:20.12 | Iridos | yw |
| 08:20.14 | cloromorpho | meh |
| 08:20.15 | anthonym | insserv: script hhvm-fastcgi: service hhvm-fastcgi already provided! oh this is hilarious. |
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| 08:22.23 | anthonym | genius, thanks, fixed. |
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| 08:59.47 | SpikeSmith | Currently installing wheezy on netbook, should I install 'Laptop' software option in software selection? |
| 09:00.05 | themill | no reason not to |
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| 09:01.08 | SpikeSmith | okey |
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| 09:06.27 | lazers | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 09:06.35 | lazers | What is debian-update-7.4*? |
| 09:07.02 | lazers | Is it the iso with updated packages after the original release iso? |
| 09:07.19 | themill | yes |
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| 09:07.48 | lazers | themill: many thanks. |
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| 09:35.15 | neglesaks | debian consistently fails to show changelists in the software update., any hints as what to do? im using the vanilla softwar sources settings for my system |
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| 09:40.20 | jelly | software update? |
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| 09:41.06 | SpikeSmith | Where to select LXDE, Debian auto boots to Gnome 3? |
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| 09:44.31 | fish_ | hi |
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| 10:01.08 | iShapeShifter499 | Hi, Enabling a password and a ssh-key for ssh access to a server is considered two factor authentication right? |
| 10:01.31 | rozie | no. |
| 10:02.16 | iShapeShifter499 | Ok well what are some two factor authentication methods for ssh can I set up? |
| 10:04.03 | iShapeShifter499 | What ever it is it needs to be something I can preform on a jailbroken iphone, rooted android, or another laptop as I do carry any one of these at any given time |
| 10:05.38 | rozie | iShapeShifter499: try searching. there's lot of output. |
| 10:05.58 | rozie | in general: on login you will be send SMS to another device |
| 10:06.14 | rozie | you have to type received code |
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| 10:12.22 | iShapeShifter499 | rozie: Do you use two factor authentication ? |
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| 10:22.14 | circum | hello |
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| 10:23.15 | circum | why debian will using sistemd? |
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| 10:23.38 | neglesaks | apparently, yes |
| 10:23.46 | circum | anyone pro or kontra? |
| 10:23.59 | rozie | iShapeShifter499: nosklo |
| 10:24.03 | rozie | iShapeShifter499: no* |
| 10:24.27 | circum | hmm |
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| 10:25.42 | Kingsy | I am looking for a 64bit copy of debian for my server, what is the smallest iso for this? no GUI needed.. just core packages.. no bloat |
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| 10:26.02 | Kingsy | the only one I can find on the site seems to be like 5 DVD's |
| 10:26.07 | Kingsy | which is werird |
| 10:26.10 | Kingsy | weird* |
| 10:26.11 | iShapeShifter499 | rozie: Alright |
| 10:27.41 | viscera | Kingsy, get the netinst |
| 10:28.20 | Kingsy | how big is the complete version? is it really this big? |
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| 10:28.51 | Kingsy | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable <-- where is the x64 version of the OS ? |
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| 10:29.09 | Kingsy | multi-arch? or? |
| 10:29.12 | Chosi | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 10:30.09 | Kingsy | Chosi: you cant get a complete iso without a GUI? |
| 10:30.43 | Chosi | just get a netinstall image |
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| 10:30.47 | Chosi | and choose whatever you like |
| 10:30.57 | Chosi | if that's an option for you |
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| 10:34.20 | Xat` | hi guys |
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| 10:34.28 | Kingsy | ok thanks |
| 10:34.35 | Xat` | anyone could explain me why my crontab entry is never executed |
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| 10:35.34 | viscera | what's an easy way to open a /usr/share/doc/*.pdf.gz file? something like zcat $FILE | xdg-open |
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| 10:36.13 | viscera | i assume the debian gods didn't intend for us to manually extract a copy of the file each time...? |
| 10:36.58 | viscera | oh wow, xdg-open does it |
| 10:37.43 | stojic | You can just open it with evince. |
| 10:37.57 | tdn | I have a few small programs/tools that I use on various Debian or Debian based systems. Right now, I check out my repository on each host and copy/symlink files manually into /usr/local/bin. This is rather tedious work, so I am wondering, will it be better to create a .deb package called tdn-tools or something like that and set up an apt source for this? How much work would it be to set up something like that? Also, how do I approach such a task? |
| 10:38.10 | viscera | stojic, that's what xdg-open did |
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| 10:38.44 | viscera | but yes, you're right... evince seems to handle gzipped pdfs, too |
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| 10:57.46 | neglesaks | any way of configuring the tracker system in debian? it uses too many resources for myu liking, and fills my process list with its subpriocs |
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| 11:04.26 | neglesaks | ok, got it. tracker is configured via the dconf efitor |
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| 11:17.30 | bazhang | !words |
| 11:17.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, words is "This is such a paradoxical time right now. It is the age of information and the age of misinformation. There was a time when people thought that something printed in a newspaper must be true. It's not like that online, but it almost is. ... but then you realize that it's just words, and that anybody can say anything at all." (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0112/ferrandino.shtml) |
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| 11:44.54 | DarsVaeda | what is the simplest method to setup mail in debian so I can use it in an application (php) to send mail...it can be fake, aka send it only internally not through a real server |
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| 11:46.39 | themill | DarsVaeda: do you have some other MTA on the network to pass the mail onto? |
| 11:47.00 | DarsVaeda | I'm not even sure what that is, so no ^^ |
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| 11:47.11 | BotaniCar|2 | DarsVaeda: lookup phpmailer, linked you in /msg |
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| 11:47.54 | themill | phpmailer doesn't help existing php code |
| 11:47.59 | DarsVaeda | yeah but that is not an option |
| 11:48.07 | themill | DarsVaeda: where's this mail supposed to go? |
| 11:48.10 | DarsVaeda | right I don't want to adapt the code |
| 11:48.24 | DarsVaeda | I don't care I just want to test mailing |
| 11:48.40 | DarsVaeda | it must end somewhere I can check it is properly send |
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| 11:49.04 | themill | DarsVaeda: you probably already have exim on the box |
| 11:49.09 | DarsVaeda | I tried setting up sendmail and whatnot but nothing works and it is much too complicated to setup |
| 11:49.14 | love12 | guys i have debian serever and i have already installed squid3 but i can't access it from the serever it says " The system returned: (111) Connection refused" |
| 11:49.21 | love12 | any help? |
| 11:49.23 | themill | DarsVaeda: oh, you don't want sendmail |
| 11:50.38 | BotaniCar|2 | themill: no mailing method will work on existing code withouth modification, if it wasn't originaly having mail functionality. And if it did, it can be adjusted to use anything. Or did i misread the comment about no help with existing code? |
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| 11:50.46 | DarsVaeda | I suppose my main problem is that I send those mails from fake domains and they are thus rejected if send through a real server |
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| 11:51.27 | themill | BotaniCar|2: most php code just wants to call mail() and if it does that, you don't want some extra php class, you just want to configure your mta properly |
| 11:51.44 | BotaniCar|2 | themill: agreed, thanks for elaboration |
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| 11:53.01 | love12 | guys i have debian serever and i have already installed squid3 but i can't access it from the serever it says " The system returned: (111) Connection refused" any help please? |
| 11:53.59 | g105b | Hi, I've got a debian box in the office that I want to use as a VPN server, so my phone and laptop can be on the virtual network in the office when on 3g connection, but more importantly, the internet of the phone & laptop should use the office vpn's connection - can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks. |
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| 12:01.40 | love12 | guys i have debian serever and i have already installed squid3 but i can't access it from the serever it says " The system returned: (111) Connection refused" any help please? |
| 12:02.10 | SirLagz | love12: is squid started ? |
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| 12:02.47 | love12 | sirLagz: yes it is started |
| 12:03.04 | SirLagz | love12: is it listening on the correct interface and port ? |
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| 12:10.33 | quitte | Hi. I'd like to have ~/Downloads be a temporary directory. If I made it a symlink to /tmp/user/downloads it'd be dangling after every reboot. If I mounted it from fstab it'd not get unmounted after logout and I'd have to manage the mounts for each user individually. any ideas how to make that work sensibly? |
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| 12:12.10 | berarma | quitte: and just removing everything in it at login or logout? |
| 12:16.06 | Walex2 | quitte: there ar PAM modules for that... |
| 12:16.35 | Walex2 | quitte: or you could have a tiny bit of logic in your '.profile' script. |
| 12:17.12 | quitte | Walex2, berarma: I'd prefer tmpfs and not having automated rm in .profile. SO pam module sounds goof |
| 12:17.20 | nkuttler | quitte: for all users or just one? |
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| 12:17.44 | nkuttler | quitte: never mind |
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| 12:18.36 | Rockj | Anyone know how I should proceed with this kernel oops? I only get it when using chrome and watching a page with <video> or <audio> element in it... firefox doesnt do the same. But I don't like it throws an MCE at me which normally means it is hardware related .. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11434231/IMG_20140219_125239.jpg |
| 12:18.59 | Rockj | video playback works fine with vlc |
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| 12:19.10 | Rockj | tried different kernels and both non-free and free nvidia drivers. |
| 12:19.20 | quitte | I will give pam-mount a try. thanks! |
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| 12:25.04 | Walex2 | Rockj: it not an MCE. it is something in the Noveau driver, which is known for being buggy. MCEs get their own very clear message. |
| 12:25.19 | Walex2 | quitte: 'pam_mkdir' also I think. |
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| 12:25.51 | Walex2 | Rockj: it is likely that Chrome is using some bit of OpenGL that is buggy in Noveau. |
| 12:25.52 | Rockj | Walex2: hm, computer frezes when using non-free driver from nvidia as well .. but havent been lucky to get a kernel oops there.. :( |
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| 12:26.27 | Walex2 | Rockj: if there is an MCE a common case is voltage dropping on too much power draw. |
| 12:26.36 | Walex2 | Rockj: the non-free driver is buggy too. |
| 12:27.12 | Rockj | ok. but other playback via vlc with vdpau etc works just fine .. and html5 video tag in firefox works fine.. |
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| 12:28.13 | Rockj | so I find it odd that I cannot use chrome/chromium which I kinda depend on for my work. |
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| 12:31.03 | Rockj | Walex2: funny part is that webgl with audio worked just fine with non-free as well, it was only the <video> element making it crash. |
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| 12:47.07 | ksk | hey guys. is it possible to recursivly download all files "displayed" by an apache directory listing using wget? "wget -r" did not really do the job |
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| 12:48.02 | ksk | ah, think i found something. |
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| 12:57.40 | Perdu | which is? |
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| 13:02.11 | jelly | ksk: yes, and you're using the right tool. Also useful: -np -l0 |
| 13:02.24 | Xat` | is haproxy able to check if the backend is available before use it ? |
| 13:02.50 | jelly | ksk: or read about --mirror |
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| 13:13.11 | e^0 | what is their in a server operating system which differe from the desktop ? |
| 13:13.27 | e^0 | speciality of the server os like debian ? |
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| 13:13.46 | ksk | e^0: the installed packages |
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| 13:14.37 | e^0 | installed packages you mean to say stable packages ? |
| 13:15.38 | quitte | e^0: read up on the differences in windiws NT workstation vs. server. It was somewhat of a scandal. Version 3.x or 4. basically the difference came down to crippeling the OS but MS made the difference seem like a big deal |
| 13:16.21 | e^0 | quitte: ok :) |
| 13:16.36 | e^0 | in debain when updates are applied there is no need to restart the machine ? |
| 13:17.10 | Brigo | e^0: well, if you upgrade the kernel you must reboot. |
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| 13:17.42 | berarma | e^0: a different set of packages is installed but everything else is the same |
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| 13:19.21 | berarma | e^0: it's recommended to reboot so that the updates take effect, you can delay it though in case you don't mind running the old code |
| 13:19.22 | quitte | berarma: what is there that is not a package? |
| 13:19.43 | e^0 | ok :) |
| 13:20.01 | berarma | quitte: I don't quite get your question but he asked if the stability of the packages was different |
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| 13:21.23 | quitte | berarma: you said that only the packages were different and everything else was the same. Since in debian everything is packaged I don't see what you could mean by "everything else" |
| 13:22.08 | berarma | quitte: I meant the stability of the packages since he was asking about that |
| 13:22.15 | quitte | ah |
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| 13:24.16 | PapaSierra | morning, i hope this is on-topic. i have an ubuntu 12.04, and a while ago i wanted to install php 5.4 (ubuntu 12.04 provides 5.3). to achieve this i added the dotdeb apt repo. now i'm trying to simply run "sudo apt-get install gearman-job-server" but it seems like the dobdeb thing is interfering. i don't understand what's going on. http://www.hastebin.com/raw/yeyoyuxiba |
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| 13:25.15 | berarma | e^0: you can use needrestart in case you to avoid rebooting, just be careful not to restart your desktop session when doing work :-) |
| 13:25.26 | quitte | PapaSierra: it's not on topic |
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| 13:25.59 | berarma | !tell PapaSierra -about ubuntu |
| 13:26.16 | PapaSierra | quitte: right, it's ubuntu i know. i guess i was wondering if the issue was i'm seeing is specific to dotdeb which might be on-topic? |
| 13:26.51 | berarma | PapaSierra: this is a Debian support channel |
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| 13:27.22 | berarma | !tell PapaSierra -about dotdeb |
| 13:27.39 | quitte | PapaSierra: this channel is for debian, not debian based. but from your paste: the dotdeb repository is broken |
| 13:27.54 | quitte | not all updated packages made it into the repo |
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| 13:28.00 | PapaSierra | understood |
| 13:28.36 | jelly | PapaSierra: you might try asking in ##linux; it's not likely #ubuntu will want to deal with a mixed system like that |
| 13:28.52 | themill | PapaSierra: we dislike dotdeb packages here quite a lot because they tend to break things like upgrade paths and co-installability. There's nothing to like about your setup there... |
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| 13:28.58 | PapaSierra | perhaps i should remove the dotdeb repository from apt and then start over? |
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| 13:29.39 | quitte | PapaSierra: why did you decide to use dotdeb in the first place? |
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| 13:30.41 | PapaSierra | quitte: themill: sure, on our production servers we're not using these ugly hacks. it's only my crappy vm. the initial reason is (off-topic) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/php5 notice how it's bound to php 5.3? |
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| 13:31.31 | Kobra | can anyone here help me with extension development? |
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| 13:31.40 | PapaSierra | so to get 5.4 installed i had to do a lot of google search which led me to dotdeb. it's causing more problems than it's worth though |
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| 13:32.16 | Kobra | you know "global.screen.get_display().connect('window-created', " |
| 13:32.25 | Kobra | is there an equilivent for a window-destroyed? |
| 13:32.38 | e^0 | berarma: ok :) |
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| 13:32.41 | Kobra | for gnome, that is |
| 13:32.58 | jelly | Kobra: possibly wrong channel? |
| 13:33.12 | Kobra | eh, i guess, but where could i ask? |
| 13:33.29 | quitte | PapaSierra: 14.04 will be LTS. can't you use the development version of that? |
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| 13:35.00 | PapaSierra | quitte: yeah, that's what i wanted to do |
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| 13:42.36 | syndala | What's the developer channel? Debian-dev looks quite deserted :[ |
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| 13:45.38 | babilen | syndala: #debian-devel on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 13:46.04 | Brody | Hi, nooby here. Ive downloaded Debian 7.4.0 and burnt it to DVD. On the DVD is the DVD-1.iso file and bootctg.bin and bootimg.bin |
| 13:46.10 | Str3iber | hi nooby |
| 13:46.19 | RoyK | any idea how to check what's spending cpu time in kernel? I've used oprofile earlier, but it seems to have been taken out of the repos |
| 13:47.05 | Brody | I have an old pc with windows on it and i put the dvd into the pc but im not sure how to get the pc to start responding |
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| 13:47.12 | Brody | have i set up my dvd correctly? |
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| 13:48.26 | syndala | babilen: merci :* |
| 13:48.44 | Sefid_par | !who is robot |
| 13:48.45 | dpkg | robot is, like, you |
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| 13:55.59 | babilen | Brody: Which problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 13:56.55 | Brody | i want to install debian onto a machine. this is the first time ive done this sort of thing |
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| 13:57.28 | babilen | Okay, so you burned the Debian image as image to a DVD and you tried to boot into it? |
| 13:57.49 | babilen | Just out of curiosity: Why did you choose the DVD? Is your Internet connection not working? |
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| 13:58.09 | Brody | babilen i have put the .iso file onto the DVD, i have a feeling this is incorrect |
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| 13:59.10 | Brody | babilen i have not got a network card for this machine |
| 13:59.12 | babilen | Brody: Yes, it is. You have to burn the DVD using the downloaded .iso as image rather than to burn the .iso file on the DVD. The correct procedure depends on the program you burn with, but most programs should support a "Use this file as image" mode or so. |
| 13:59.29 | babilen | Brody: Oh, so it is not connected to the Internet at all? |
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| 13:59.48 | Brody | its not on the internet nope |
| 14:00.06 | babilen | Okay, that is rather unusual these days, but fair enough :D |
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| 14:01.00 | Brody | babilen ah darn, ive wasted a DVD then heh. The installation guide assumes people know about this sort of thing already but i have not done this sort of thing before. oh well |
| 14:01.22 | Brody | babilen thanks for the help ill have another go now |
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| 14:01.37 | makubi^ | hi there. I just started to learn how to build deb-packages. I am packing them just for internal purposes (no publicly available data). just for convenience reasons: I read that you have preinstall / install / postinstall. I have to create a user (if it doesn't exist), copy some files and execute a script. when would I do what? |
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| 14:02.51 | makubi^ | what steps to perform in preinstall, what in install and what in postinstall (normally)? |
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| 14:03.00 | WilliamDotSI | pre, adduser - install copy - post run script |
| 14:03.44 | makubi^ | WilliamDotSI: why wouldn't I do it all in preinstall e.g.? |
| 14:03.57 | WilliamDotSI | eh honestly, no idea |
| 14:04.02 | WilliamDotSI | technically it works, sure |
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| 14:04.09 | WilliamDotSI | thats how i learned it from most packages |
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| 14:04.30 | babilen | Brody: If you have a USB stick you can spare you could write the installer to that. Let us know if something else is unclear or you need further help or tips. |
| 14:04.41 | WilliamDotSI | the USB stick installer is horrible |
| 14:04.43 | WilliamDotSI | with debian |
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| 14:05.02 | makubi^ | WilliamDotSI: alright, thank you. like I said, just for convenience reasons, to learn it the right way. is there any good source for more examples or so? or just read dpkg-infos? |
| 14:05.06 | Slydder | hey all |
| 14:05.30 | babilen | WilliamDotSI: That isn't a very technical error description. The installer is the same and it really doesn't matter if you write it to CD or DVD. |
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| 14:05.35 | babilen | (or USB) |
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| 14:06.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell makubi^ -about mentors |
| 14:07.08 | WilliamDotSI | babilen: for me it always sees the USB as sda |
| 14:07.08 | WilliamDotSI | and fails at grub |
| 14:07.17 | makubi^ | babilen: thank you very much. didn't know about that! :) |
| 14:07.28 | babilen | WilliamDotSI: How do you write the image to your USB stick? |
| 14:07.50 | makubi^ | WilliamDotSI, babilen: I'm out, thx! cya |
| 14:08.01 | WilliamDotSI | because, grub expects sda, for whatever stupid reason |
| 14:08.02 | WilliamDotSI | i can work around it by manually installing it, but still |
| 14:08.36 | WilliamDotSI | babilen: dd. |
| 14:09.49 | Slydder | is there a way to get the package name passed to an apt hook upon install/update/remove/purge? |
| 14:10.04 | babilen | WilliamDotSI: Could you elaborate on that? fwiw, dd is rather slow in its default configuration and cp would work decidedly faster and has, IMHO, a nicer syntax. |
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| 14:10.20 | babilen | Slydder: You too want #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:10.48 | WilliamDotSI | Not really, no, i just used the debian USB guide. |
| 14:10.49 | babilen | Slydder: Ah, maybe not. |
| 14:11.01 | Slydder | hmmm |
| 14:11.03 | WilliamDotSI | on EFI it works fine |
| 14:11.10 | WilliamDotSI | BIOS expects sda for grub, which is the USB stick |
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| 14:11.14 | WilliamDotSI | not on all mainboards, but on many |
| 14:11.23 | WilliamDotSI | so likely a kernel detection thing |
| 14:11.31 | WilliamDotSI | for some USB chipsets or so? |
| 14:11.34 | babilen | WilliamDotSI: You are referring to https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch04s03.html.en ? It does not mention dd. |
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| 14:11.50 | WilliamDotSI | regardless |
| 14:11.52 | WilliamDotSI | should not matter |
| 14:11.57 | babilen | dpkg: enter |
| 14:11.57 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:11.58 | WilliamDotSI | cannot matter in fact |
| 14:12.13 | babilen | WilliamDotSI: So, where did you write the image to? |
| 14:12.24 | WilliamDotSI | my USB stick device... |
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| 14:12.32 | babilen | WilliamDotSI: Which device node? |
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| 14:12.39 | babilen | Ah, forget it .. |
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| 14:12.41 | WilliamDotSI | no partitions |
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| 14:12.54 | WilliamDotSI | its an image, it includes the table itself |
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| 14:13.31 | WilliamDotSI | i *know* how this image works, i just wanted to point out that on diverse Asus mainboards it.. does not work as it should |
| 14:13.37 | WilliamDotSI | Asrock for example no issue |
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| 14:14.07 | pippijn | hi |
| 14:14.12 | WilliamDotSI | possibly on others also, possibly because of the driver for the USB chipset |
| 14:14.15 | babilen | Yes, exactly. Well, I was simply trying to get more information to put me into a position to actualle help you. I find this digging for details incredibly harrowing and will no longer pursue this though. Excuse that, but you would have to be more precise if you'd actually want help with your problem. |
| 14:14.24 | pippijn | is it possible to download the archives for all installed packages? |
| 14:14.33 | WilliamDotSI | i concluded that its a NEC chipset |
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| 14:14.38 | WilliamDotSI | the only thing they have in common |
| 14:14.41 | pippijn | so that when I uninstall a package while offline, I can install it back? |
| 14:14.41 | WilliamDotSI | a NEC USB 3.0 chip |
| 14:14.46 | babilen | WilliamDotSI: And please try to use punctuation - It would make it much easier to actually follow what you are saying. |
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| 14:15.24 | babilen | pippijn: That is the default behaviour: You should find archives of installed packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 14:15.44 | WilliamDotSI | I will not, this is IRC |
| 14:15.55 | pippijn | babilen: not all are downloaded, some are installed by the install CD |
| 14:16.24 | pippijn | babilen: but consider the situation where I removed all archives and want to re-download them (but only the ones for which I have a package installed) |
| 14:16.38 | babilen | WilliamDotSI: Please, it is one of the many things that we kindly ask people in this channel to adhere to. It would simply make it easier to provide support. |
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| 14:17.17 | babilen | pippijn: How do you know which packages to download then? |
| 14:17.37 | pippijn | babilen: I want to download the ones I have installed |
| 14:17.40 | babilen | pippijn: Do you simply want to download the archives of all installed packages? |
| 14:17.42 | babilen | ack |
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| 14:17.50 | pippijn | dpkg -l gives me the list |
| 14:17.50 | dpkg | No packages found matching gives me the list |
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| 14:18.00 | babilen | pippijn: Is that your current situation or is this merely hypothetical? |
| 14:18.24 | pippijn | it's half my situation |
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| 14:18.29 | pippijn | my situation is that I installed from a CD |
| 14:18.39 | elichai2 | !seen nabblet |
| 14:18.39 | dpkg | nabblet <~ben@unaffiliated/benkinooby> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 14h 5m 48s ago, saying: 'ted20: you're welcome'. |
| 14:18.42 | pippijn | and yesterday I uninstalled something that I needed |
| 14:18.57 | pippijn | and I had to wait for today to install it, because I didn't have internet, yesterday |
| 14:19.08 | babilen | pippijn: Ack, one second please |
| 14:20.35 | babilen | pippijn: It is not *that* easy as packages might have been removed from the mirrors in the meanwhile (essentially packages you would have to upgrade) |
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| 14:22.19 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 14:22.45 | pippijn | babilen: yes, that's true, I just want to get as much as possible |
| 14:22.51 | pippijn | to be as safe as possible |
| 14:23.51 | Slydder | does any have a link to any info on how to use the apt pipelines? |
| 14:24.03 | Nebukadneza | i have here a usb3 HDD that i tried to plug into my debian testing which runs on a box with NEC uPD720200 usb3 host, intel 5 series/3400 usb/usb2 host and 3.12-trunk kernel.the hdd is correctly recognized, but when i try to fdisk and write partition, mount the shipped ntfs partition or do anything really, i get the ugliest medium error, sense: unrecovered read error, buffer i/o error on device, etc... |
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| 14:24.24 | babilen | pippijn: You can use dget with a suitable loop, or something like "aptitude --download-only '~i!~U'" (you might have to remove packages from that list) or something along those lines |
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| 14:25.15 | Nebukadneza | is there some issue know in regard to external usb3 hdds? |
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| 14:26.21 | pippijn | babilen: dget sounds good |
| 14:27.07 | babilen | yeah, I like it a lot too |
| 14:27.29 | pippijn | --download-only I think only works for packages that are not yet installed |
| 14:28.07 | pippijn | yes, dget will be fine I think |
| 14:28.43 | babilen | pippijn: No, you can use --download-only just fine with reinstall |
| 14:29.04 | pippijn | oh |
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| 14:29.17 | pippijn | okay, that may be useful then |
| 14:30.16 | pippijn | babilen: that does exactly what I want |
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| 14:32.45 | DammitJim | is there a command to discover printers in the network? |
| 14:32.48 | DammitJim | lpr something? |
| 14:32.50 | pippijn | babilen: thanks |
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| 14:34.58 | babilen | pippijn: You are welcome; It is simply tricky to get all packages as some versions might simply only be available on snapshots anymore |
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| 14:35.23 | pippijn | babilen: in my case, all packages are available |
| 14:35.30 | pippijn | I got them all now |
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| 14:39.59 | babilen | pippijn: Wonderful :) |
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| 14:42.24 | pippijn | 2,119 MB of archives |
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| 14:46.36 | av0idz | is there away to allow someone system wide read only access ? |
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| 14:46.52 | av0idz | like a root for reading no executing no writing ? |
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| 14:47.25 | av0idz | or is this in a way impossible |
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| 14:47.34 | RoyK | av0idz: perhaps with some setfacl magick |
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| 14:58.58 | ksk | ,versions curlftpfs |
| 14:58.59 | judd | Package: curlftpfs on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.2-3; jessie: 0.9.2-5; sid: 0.9.2-5; wheezy: 0.9.2-5 |
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| 15:04.17 | ronin | If I create a repository with a command svnadmin create /var/lib/svn/repository, how do I create a subdirectories under repository |
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| 15:07.55 | elichai2 | ppa is just in ubuntu or in debian too? |
| 15:08.18 | ksk | elichai2: ppa is a ubuntu thingy and not supported by debian |
| 15:08.25 | elichai2 | kk |
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| 15:10.49 | norok2 | hi |
| 15:11.14 | norok2 | does anybody know how to override a mime setting? |
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| 15:11.40 | norok2 | for example .gz in being opened by some program |
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| 15:12.02 | norok2 | but I want .something.gz to be opened by another program |
| 15:12.10 | Marqin | is there an easy way for sshd_config to setup 2 ports *AND* that on one port there will be allowed one user and on second port only another user? |
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| 15:12.35 | norok2 | without losing the general .gz behaviour |
| 15:12.51 | Brigo | norok2: i think you can create a file in your home .mime and override mime types. |
| 15:12.54 | lexibq | is it a local file norok2 |
| 15:13.06 | norok2 | local file |
| 15:13.29 | Brigo | Marqin: i am not sure, but i think not. |
| 15:13.32 | norok2 | i have been trying adding a mime type in .local/shre/mime |
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| 15:13.42 | norok2 | *share |
| 15:13.43 | elichai2 | what can you say about backports? it is stable? |
| 15:14.20 | norok2 | with .nii.gz mask but apparently that does not work |
| 15:14.41 | norok2 | it is still seen as a .gz |
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| 15:16.12 | Brigo | norok2: i used .mime, no .local/share/mime ... long time ago. |
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| 15:16.39 | Brigo | .mime.types |
| 15:16.42 | norok2 | ok I look for this |
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| 15:21.36 | ksk | hey guys. how would i download a lenny package from archive.debian.org if i dont have any lennys running no more? (i want to test something with that old version of a package) |
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| 15:22.29 | mtn | ksk: web browser? |
| 15:23.43 | ksk | mtn: but where to go in that tree to find the actual package? i found "packages.gz" but not a single package itself |
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| 15:24.53 | mtn | ksk: debian - pool |
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| 15:25.21 | mtn | ksk: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/ for instance. seems easy to me ;) |
| 15:26.20 | ksk | mtn: many thanks! |
| 15:26.29 | mtn | ksk: at least I hope that helps |
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| 15:28.56 | norok2 | Brigo: I have that file in my sistem and I have added a line for nii.gz extension but nothing seems to happen |
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| 15:36.14 | RoyK | hrmf. any idea why eth[01] seems to stick to a single cpu, interrupt-wise? |
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| 15:42.31 | Rovanion | What is the name of the linux kernel package? |
| 15:42.54 | Rovanion | Can't find the 3.12 version in backports.. |
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| 15:43.35 | Sbroker | hi from Spain |
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| 15:45.41 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 15:45.42 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.9-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.9-1); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.9-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 15:46.23 | jelly | Rovanion: linux-image-flavor, flavor will be amd64 on a 64bit pc |
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| 15:54.22 | du5tball | hey, is there something like a xen-group so i can make my normal user manage xen |
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| 16:00.10 | Phyks_ | hi, I tried installing a LVM on LUKS setup following this http://blog.tincho.org/posts/Setting_up_my_server:_re-installing_on_an_encripted_LVM/ but once I enter my LUKS password via SSH, I lose SSH connection and will never able to log back (connection refused) |
| 16:00.18 | gandaliter | di5tball: ##xen |
| 16:00.29 | Phyks_ | I can manually decrypt successfully in initramfs via SSH |
| 16:00.54 | Phyks_ | and my server don't boot as apache and SSH are not launched (automatically started at startup), but it keep responding to ping |
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| 16:01.07 | Phyks_ | do you have any ideas to debug further ? I'm running out of ideas… |
| 16:01.48 | gandaliter | du5tball: sorry, thought you were looking for an irc channel to help. I'm not sure but I'd be surprised if you can do anything with xen from a non-root account. |
| 16:02.23 | du5tball | gandaliter: was just wondering if i could create a usergroup which is allowed to manage it. i am also in ##xen |
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| 16:04.16 | gandaliter | du5tball: the man page for xl says that most commands require root, because of the communications channels used to talk to the hypervisor. I imagine the same is true of xm |
| 16:04.31 | du5tball | hm okay, well, thanks :) |
| 16:04.57 | gandaliter | du5tball: what exactly do you want to change from a non-root account |
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| 16:05.42 | gandaliter | du5tball: I think starting a vm or anything wouldn't be allowed, but it's possible there is a way to make what you want to do work |
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| 16:06.03 | du5tball | i wanted to be able to do all my xen-management-needs from it, but as you said, most of them require root |
| 16:06.18 | du5tball | so, not going to happen. i'll just create aliases so i don't need to type sudo all the time :D |
| 16:06.22 | gandaliter | du5tball: if you wanted to allow a user to start a specific vm then you could give write a setuid root script which did it, which they could then run |
| 16:07.15 | du5tball | nah, more like creating new machines, killing old ones, managing them... it'd be too much of a hassle to make this work. i'll just go use aliases for it |
| 16:07.48 | gandaliter | du5tball: the more you allow users to do through a setuid root script the more dangerous it is, if your account were compromised |
| 16:08.07 | du5tball | true that |
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| 16:11.59 | elichai2 | any one here uses weechat? |
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| 16:12.58 | zykotick9 | elichai2: people in #weechat certainly do |
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| 16:14.18 | zykotick9 | fluxbox has the option to switch WM on-the-fly, does anyone know what keyword i could search for online - to replicate this feature in dwm? |
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| 16:15.12 | gandaliter | Phyks_: Getting a ping response doesn't mean the server is up in any meaningful way. If SSH isn't running then it probably hasn't booted properly. You could try decrypting the LUKS partition from within initramfs, then you'd have access to the filesystem, and might get an idea of the nature of the problem. |
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| 16:17.18 | elichai2 | tanks |
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| 16:29.21 | johnfg | Hey folks |
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| 16:29.56 | johnfg | Where is unixODBC-Gui-Qt after installation? |
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| 16:30.05 | Brody_ | Hi, Im installing Debian for the first time. I am doing it from DVD on a machine with windows installed. Successfully got into the Debian graphical installation.. with options such as 'Detect and Mount CD-ROM' and 'Load installer components from CD' |
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| 16:30.26 | Brody_ | Both options try to read from the floppy disk drive and Im stuck |
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| 16:31.09 | cc_cheshire1 | Hello! I can not download the latest disk image. Torrent not found .. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/bt-dvd/debian-7.4.0-i386-DVD-3.iso.torrent |
| 16:31.12 | Brody_ | Has anyone got some tips please :) |
| 16:31.39 | cc_cheshire1 | Please check the link |
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| 16:32.22 | ompaul | johnfg: no idea but did you look at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libodbcinst .... not saying it is the right answer but it is my least worse guess |
| 16:33.05 | ompaul | Brody_: more than one DVD drive? |
| 16:33.23 | ompaul | cc_cheshire1: get the real image direct |
| 16:33.26 | Brody_ | ompaul yes i have a floppy, cd and dvd drive |
| 16:33.51 | ompaul | Brody_: change the boot order to in your machine to make the dvd physically first |
| 16:34.02 | ompaul | Brody_: but you don't need that |
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| 16:34.11 | ompaul | ! tell Brody_ about netinstall |
| 16:34.52 | ksuhku | johnfg, dpkg -L unixODBC-Gui-Qt (if that's a package name) |
| 16:34.57 | johnfg | ompaul: I got it. It doesn't get an entry in Applications, but it's /usr/bin/ODBCCreateDataSourceQ4 and /usr/bin/ODBCManageDataSourcesQ4 |
| 16:35.15 | Brody_ | ompaul yes i thought this is the problem but there are no options so do i have to abort the installation then go into the bios first. then restart? |
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| 16:35.22 | johnfg | ksuhku: I'll try that cmd too. |
| 16:35.35 | ksuhku | tells you what the package contains |
| 16:35.38 | ompaul | johnfg: lovely, guess you can use the menu editor if you need :) |
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| 16:35.49 | ompaul | johnfg: that was a lib not a command |
| 16:35.58 | ompaul | oh wait ... silly ompaul ;-) |
| 16:36.19 | ompaul | Brody_: it is what ctrl alt del is for ;-) |
| 16:36.30 | ompaul | Brody_: or reboot buttons |
| 16:36.50 | Brody_ | ompaul ive never been into a bios before so im scared and out of my depth |
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| 16:36.58 | ksuhku | ;) |
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| 16:37.17 | ompaul | Brody_: then go get some friend to help you tbh it isn't that bad but it is a little counter intuitive |
| 16:37.41 | ompaul | Brody_: I'm thinking more of unplugging the disks other than the hard drive and the dvd |
| 16:37.54 | ompaul | Brody_: and making sure that your hd0 is the dvd |
| 16:38.06 | ompaul | Brody_: it's been a long time since hardware had a floppy :) |
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| 16:38.14 | cc_cheshire1 | ompaul: Oh. Thank you!) |
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| 16:38.53 | ompaul | cc_cheshire1: its a better thing to use a http mirror tbh with wget if you have linux |
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| 16:39.28 | ompaul | cc_cheshire1: the netinstall Cd is better idea also /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 16:39.55 | ompaul | cc_cheshire1: wire the box to the internet and it just does it for so many people it is the scary part :) |
| 16:40.19 | johnfg | unixODBC-Gui-Qt has an entry under /usr/share/menu, but it's not showing up! What to do? |
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| 16:41.45 | johnfg | i.e., it's not in Applications. It is in /usr/share/menu/unixodbc-bin |
| 16:42.06 | johnfg | Anyone want to look at a paste of the items in /usr/share/menu? |
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| 16:43.00 | johnfg | Here it is: jic: http://dpaste.com/1638519/ |
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| 16:47.41 | ompaul | johnfg: install kmenuedit and use that to add what you need - file a bug |
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| 16:58.00 | RoyK | hi all. I have eth0 on int 19, and all interrupts are processed by core0, which is getting rather hot with >10k interrupts/s. I've set smp_affinity to 0f, having 4 cores, but it's still stuck at core 0. any idea why? |
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| 17:03.09 | jhutchins | What resources would you recommend for someone who's only worked within Windows and Office and wants to have the kind of understanding that would make them comfortable partitioning disks, installing Linux, or messing with BIOS settings? |
| 17:03.55 | nkuttler | jhutchins: an install party? |
| 17:04.05 | jhutchins | I remember the MSDOS 3 manual, nearly 2" thick. I learned a lot from it. |
| 17:04.06 | jelly | RoyK: what exactly did you set? Which driver for eth0? |
| 17:04.15 | nkuttler | jhutchins: hopefully where people don't just install but teach how to install.. |
| 17:05.01 | jhutchins | nkuttler: Possibly - but hard to reach out to the truely innocent for those. |
| 17:05.19 | RoyK | jelly: e1000 driver. I set it by 'echo 0f > /proc/irq/19/smp_affinity' |
| 17:05.25 | jhutchins | Easier, I suppose, in a college environment... |
| 17:05.29 | nkuttler | jhutchins: oh, you don't have a speific person in mind? |
| 17:05.39 | nkuttler | specific even |
| 17:05.47 | jhutchins | nkuttler: Nah, kindof a general notion. |
| 17:05.51 | nkuttler | i see |
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| 17:06.15 | jhutchins | I mean, there's "just jump in and try", but you can brick your computer that way, and if you don't have anybody to help you get out of it... |
| 17:07.07 | nkuttler | jhutchins: why is partitioning/installing/bios first on your agenda though, those seem rather intimidating? we have live CDs and what not |
| 17:07.50 | jhutchins | nkuttler: Well, yeah, just point and click with the live CD, but they still don't know anything about what's going on. |
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| 17:08.53 | jhutchins | It's worse over in #ubuntu because everythings so graphical and automatic. People can get really deeply into trouble without acquiring any skills or knowledge that could help them get back out. |
| 17:09.06 | jhutchins | I suppose there are the "...for Dummies" books... |
| 17:09.07 | jelly | RoyK: this is with debian's kernel? Care to pastebin "grep . /proc/irq/19/*" and "grep eth0 /proc/interrupts" |
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| 17:09.20 | nkuttler | jhutchins: you can partition usb drives from a live cd and similar exercises |
| 17:09.29 | sifeic | Can someone else confirm that the first debian.org/* link from a google search 'debian live cd' leads to a page with a link in the left hand side that leads to the download page for iso images and 'not' a live cd image? |
| 17:09.45 | nkuttler | sifeic: which page are you on? |
| 17:09.46 | sifeic | s/left/right |
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| 17:09.55 | sifeic | https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 17:09.58 | jhutchins | Sorry, shoulda taken this to OT. |
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| 17:10.13 | sifeic | second link presented after search. |
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| 17:10.27 | nkuttler | sifeic: those are live cds |
| 17:11.00 | nkuttler | sifeic: with an installer as well.. do you want to install debian on a hd, or..? |
| 17:11.03 | jhutchins | sifeic: They went to a "hybrid" image a few yaers ago. |
| 17:11.16 | RoyK | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/82917/ |
| 17:11.39 | nkuttler | sifeic: if you want to install and you have a decent network connection you probably want the netinst image |
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| 17:12.19 | uncmar | How do I tell my wifi to reconnect via CLI? - deb v6.0.9, running gnome2. Apparently cycling the network manager in the GUI does it. Again, CLI? |
| 17:12.22 | sifeic | Oh, ok. Yes, I want to install on a mac. So I need a 'live' cd. |
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| 17:12.57 | nkuttler | uncmar: there should be several nm-foo cli programs |
| 17:13.13 | nkuttler | uncmar: afaik they allow you to do anything the gui does |
| 17:13.24 | jelly | RoyK: oh, it's a vm? |
| 17:13.51 | RoyK | jelly: mhm |
| 17:13.53 | Brigo | uncmar: for wpa you can use wpa_supplicant, for example |
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| 17:14.47 | RoyK | jelly: should that make any difference? |
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| 17:15.09 | jelly | RoyK: was the affinity not at "f" already before setting it? |
| 17:15.17 | RoyK | it was 1 |
| 17:15.25 | sifeic | nkuttler: I've never tried a net install. Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 17:15.35 | RoyK | (for some reason) |
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| 17:18.23 | uncmar | awesome, I answered my own question. /etc/init.d/network-manager restart; or services network-manager restart; or WHy doesn't the network-manager part auto-complete when using the services command? |
| 17:18.24 | jelly | RoyK: I have no idea what's going on there. My ESXi 5.0 VMs seem to show msi capability on the emulated e1000 (lspci -v), wonder why it's not used |
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| 17:19.34 | RoyK | jelly: wierd... |
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| 17:20.27 | RoyK | jelly: doesn't look like MSi suport here http://paste.ubuntu.com/6960912/ |
| 17:20.29 | jelly | RoyK: does it switch over if you force just eg. "8" to "c" for the fourth, or third+fourth core? |
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| 17:21.42 | RoyK | jelly: yes |
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| 17:21.48 | jelly | RoyK: oh, sorry, you're right. I was reading from the wrong pci device |
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| 17:22.04 | jelly | RoyK: I guess the kernel just doesn't feel a need to fool around |
| 17:22.25 | jelly | RHEL still uses the irqbalance userspace thingy |
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| 17:23.12 | RoyK | jelly: it should, since CPU0 is banging at 95% at peak hours, and we plan to move another 2k users over to this NAT gateway |
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| 17:23.45 | uncmar | Brigo: thanks for the suggestion. Definately, not the route I was going for since I am using gnome's network-manager. |
| 17:24.16 | jelly | RoyK: no idea. I'd install irqbalance just to see what happens |
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| 17:24.30 | uncmar | slips away into the darkness |
| 17:24.42 | RoyK | jelly: already did - no change |
| 17:25.14 | jelly | all the obvious stuff is done then |
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| 17:25.22 | jelly | feels useless! |
| 17:25.46 | jelly | dpkg: cake me |
| 17:25.46 | dpkg | jelly: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 17:27.38 | jelly | RoyK: does ethtool -k eth0 show every offload option that can be enabled is actually enabled? |
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| 17:28.29 | RoyK | jelly: tried to fiddle with that, but no change |
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| 17:28.43 | jelly | nod (also -c) |
| 17:28.46 | RoyK | jelly: also, vmware apparently says to disable all of that (for some reason) |
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| 17:29.02 | jelly | they probably know better what's the fast path |
| 17:29.25 | Grabbe | How can I manage services in debian, by deafult? The "service" command doesn't work. |
| 17:29.36 | RoyK | Grabbe: it should |
| 17:29.46 | photographer | is BitchX recommended to install on debian wheezy couse its not in the Debian repos no more? |
| 17:29.48 | Grabbe | it doesn't. |
| 17:30.05 | jelly | RoyK: I guess if you really need to squeeze the last bit out of that vm you could try switching to vmxnet3 instead of e1000 emulation |
| 17:30.20 | RoyK | Grabbe: works for me (tm) |
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| 17:30.21 | jelly | RoyK: but frankly I haven't seen any real difference there |
| 17:30.22 | zykotick9 | photographer: bitchx is unsupported, has security issues. irssi or weechat are 2 terminal alternatives. |
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| 17:30.44 | RoyK | jelly: will do, but I didn't install that vm, and we can't take it down atm |
| 17:30.54 | photographer | zykotick9: thanx, il try weechat couse i have irssi already. |
| 17:31.03 | Grabbe | RoyK: How can I start the deamon-manager then? |
| 17:31.12 | jelly | oh well, at least you can manually separate eth0 and eth1 affinity in the meantime |
| 17:31.16 | RoyK | jelly: the main difference for us, is that e1000 is gigE, which won't suffice with all the users we want to move to it |
| 17:31.18 | Grabbe | Or what package can I find it in? |
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| 17:32.16 | photographer | zykotick9: i did already before i writedown here try BitchX |
| 17:32.18 | jelly | RoyK: I'm not sure the fact it says "gigabit" means much when the link itself is emulated |
| 17:32.24 | RoyK | Grabbe: /usr/sbin/service is in sysvinit-utils, which is installed by default |
| 17:32.38 | photographer | zykotick9: i downloaded it and run it with double click |
| 17:32.46 | photographer | zykotick9: now, i cannot kill it? |
| 17:32.50 | photographer | how to do it? |
| 17:32.54 | RoyK | jelly: AFAIK it does, since the driver chooses the link speed, emulated or not |
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| 17:34.31 | zykotick9 | photographer: find the pid, and "kill PIDNUMBER" or use "killall BITCHXNAME". i've never used it, so can't say what that BITCHXNAME would be. |
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| 17:36.22 | zykotick9 | photographer: sidenote - it's probably wise to try and stay within debian repos for the software you install. means you can get support here for one. |
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| 17:37.02 | WormFood | do I need to have swap space enabled to be able to "hibernate" (to disk)? |
| 17:37.27 | zykotick9 | WormFood: yes, equal (or slightly larger) then physical RAM |
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| 17:37.47 | Grabbe | RoyK: Apparently Debian doesn't set /usr/sbin in PATH by deafault |
| 17:37.49 | Grabbe | lol |
| 17:37.49 | WormFood | does it have to be an actual partition, or can a swap file be used? |
| 17:37.57 | RoyK | Grabbe: yes, it does |
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| 17:38.11 | RoyK | Grabbe: did you just run 'su' or 'su -'? ;) |
| 17:38.31 | WormFood | yeah, gotta run "su -" or you will get the old path |
| 17:38.43 | Grabbe | Why should I bother running su when I try to run a command just to test it? |
| 17:39.00 | WormFood | sbin is for root |
| 17:39.03 | RoyK | Grabbe: because sbin isn't in users's paths |
| 17:39.06 | Grabbe | oh.... |
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| 17:39.14 | WormFood | by default, regular users don't get any sbin in their path |
| 17:39.15 | Grabbe | I've been using Arch for too long |
| 17:39.24 | Grabbe | sbin points to bin in Arch |
| 17:39.28 | WormFood | although, some programs in sbin can be run by normal users |
| 17:39.28 | Grabbe | :) |
| 17:39.29 | RoyK | usually adds sbin to his path :P |
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| 17:39.46 | Grabbe | RoyK: I'm going to do the same. |
| 17:39.57 | WormFood | I add sbin to my path...it's quick and easy...just type "su -" |
| 17:40.14 | RoyK | or sudo -i :P |
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| 17:40.34 | photographer | zykotick9: i am root in that terminal but, in htop i cannot kill BitchX |
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| 17:40.53 | WormFood | "get me a sandwich", "get it yourself", "sudo get me a sandwich", "ok" |
| 17:40.59 | RoyK | photographer: kill -9 from the commandline ;) |
| 17:41.06 | RoyK | WormFood: yeah ;) |
| 17:41.16 | photographer | RyanKnack: i will :) |
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| 17:42.44 | shomon | hi, is there a .deb or install guide with some packages to ease installation of bitcoin-qt? |
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| 17:43.46 | WormFood | shomon, just download the tarball, and put it wherever you want, and execute it |
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| 17:44.01 | WormFood | I mean, after you extract the tarball, of course |
| 17:44.16 | jelly | RoyK: nope, link speed doesn't matter, I get 3Gbps between two VMs with e1000 on the same host |
| 17:45.07 | WormFood | if it does not execute, then do an "ldd bitcoin-qt" and see if anything is missing |
| 17:45.26 | Grabbe | RoyK: Nice, now I can start services. How do I enable them? Which command is that? :) New to Debian. |
| 17:45.29 | crazydip | Am I being dumb or is keys.gnupg.net GONE? redirects to some wordpress blog |
| 17:46.28 | jelly | RoyK: had to migrate to the same host to get that; uplinks on these host nodes are gigabit so it was 930Mbps when they were on two different nodes |
| 17:46.30 | RoyK | jelly: nice |
| 17:46.54 | RoyK | jelly: what did you use to test this? |
| 17:47.01 | jelly | RoyK: iperf |
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| 17:47.51 | jelly | RoyK: "iperf -w2M -s" on one side, "iperf -w2M -c serverip -r" on the other |
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| 17:52.48 | jhutchins | VMWare usually emulates a 10G link between VMs. |
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| 17:55.27 | RoyK | jelly: thanks - seeing the same here - about 3Gbps when on the same host, 2.3Gbps or so when on another blade |
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| 17:56.25 | jelly | RoyK: your backplane is better than my backplane! |
| 17:56.37 | RoyK | hehe :) |
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| 17:57.38 | Phyks_ | gandaliter: I can open the partition and mount it from within the initramfs, but I can't init on it and I can't find any failure logs |
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| 17:58.41 | RoyK | jelly: dell blade center - got a 10Ge switch in it for these machines. The switch sucks, though, getting a nervous breakdown if we enable IGMP and sending large amounts of traffic through it :P |
| 17:58.52 | RoyK | multicast traffic, that is |
| 17:58.59 | shomon | WormFood, sorry I was afk.. I downloaded the tarball, but it needs loads of extra bits.. and it's hard to tell what else is missing |
| 17:59.09 | shomon | aah ldd.. |
| 17:59.14 | shomon | okay sorry reading :) |
| 17:59.21 | Phyks_ | gandaliter: as soon as I resume the init script, initramfs get unmounted but nothing else seem to happen (no more SSH access, seems the server won't boot) |
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| 17:59.57 | tomwp | Hello, when running pip install got the following error: Could not fetch URL http://pypi.python.org/simple/Django: timed out This is related to configuration problems python or internal network/server debian? |
| 18:00.00 | jelly | RoyK: no iptv 4 u |
| 18:00.07 | RoyK | hehe |
| 18:00.24 | RoyK | the core switch supports multicast well, though |
| 18:00.33 | Phyks_ | gandaliter: tried to purge kernel, without success, and checked the generated initramfs, all should be there (+ I can mount partitions without any problem in the initramfs, it just won't boot) |
| 18:00.53 | RoyK | although those juniper edge switches have some rather bad issues with ipv6 multicast |
| 18:01.03 | shomon | oh maybe you have found an already compiled version WormFood? :S |
| 18:01.23 | WormFood | shomon, you can figure out what you need by looking at what it's linking to |
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| 18:01.39 | WormFood | oh...I thought that is what you have. That is what I downloaded. |
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| 18:01.57 | WormFood | hell, I didn't even see source code on their page. (actually, I thought I was downloading source code) |
| 18:02.08 | shomon | I couldn't find anything but the one I have.. :D |
| 18:02.12 | shomon | okay trying again... |
| 18:02.29 | shomon | damn decentralised currencies, you can never get to the authoritative site for it :) |
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| 18:03.15 | shomon | I need libdb_cxx headers apparently |
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| 18:06.35 | lns | Hey all, this is happening to me currently on ftp.debian.org and cdn.debian.net... is it a known current issue with the repos? "W: Failed to fetch http://cdn.debian.net/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/PackagesIndex Hash Sum mismatch" |
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| 18:07.31 | Brigo | lns: may be the server is syncing, try in few hour again |
| 18:08.04 | lns | Brigo, thanks, I will =) That's normally the solution (wait a bit) when I run into this. |
| 18:08.25 | RoyK | jelly: does a PCI unit need to support MSI to allow for balancing interrupts? |
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| 18:08.46 | photographer | thanx RoyK, zykotick9 |
| 18:08.51 | Brigo | lns: wellcome :-) |
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| 18:12.45 | thedudeZor | is it possible to configure an application ie: wordpress, to send email AS foo@gmail.com? |
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| 18:13.29 | Brigo | thedudeZor: yes. |
| 18:13.32 | nkuttler | thedudeZor: sounds like an app-level question |
| 18:13.43 | nkuttler | but ofc you can configure your mta to do anything you like.. |
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| 18:24.00 | Brody_ | i have an old single core machine im installing debian on. Its asking me to choose a kernel to make the system bootable. There are 4 options: linux-image-486, linux-image-686-pae, and these two again but with 3.2.0-4 before it. My google fu is telling me that the pae version is for multi core cpus but some older machines are fine using it. Any tips? |
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| 18:24.33 | buu | Brody_: multicore is almost certainly just minor optimizations |
| 18:24.53 | buu | Brody_: I'd imagine any cpu produced in the last 10 years can use 686 |
| 18:25.51 | Brody_ | buu im not sure what the hardware is but it might be 15 years old now though |
| 18:25.57 | weenus | PAE is Physical Address Extension. It has to do with >4GB memory and 32 bit archs |
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| 18:26.03 | zykotick9 | Brody_: fyi, PAE is a "hack" to use more memory |
| 18:26.24 | babilen | dpkg: 686-pae |
| 18:26.25 | dpkg | At linux-2.6 2.6.39~rc4-1~experimental.1, the 686-<bigmem> flavour was renamed to "686-pae" with the 686 flavour removed. From the package changelog: "For 686-class systems without PAE, the '486' flavour is more efficient than the '686' flavour due to optimisation for uniprocessor systems." The change allows use of the NX (No eXecute, aka eXecute Disable) bit where available. See also <nopae>. |
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| 18:27.05 | weenus | If you don't have >=4Gb of RAM, then just use the non-pae |
| 18:27.23 | babilen | Brody_: And I generally recommend to install the kernel metapackage (e.g. linux-image-686-pae) rather than the package of a specific kernel. |
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| 18:27.47 | babilen | weenus: There is no 686, non-pae. The alternative is the 486 kernel. |
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| 18:28.21 | weenus | then run with that |
| 18:28.34 | weenus | :-) |
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| 18:30.04 | nodiscc | hi all, I'm trying to automate installing an iceweasel addons for all users on a debian box |
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| 18:30.51 | nodiscc | i've tried unzipping the addon to /etc/iceweasel/profile/{extension-id} |
| 18:30.58 | nodiscc | as suggested in http://kb.mozillazine.org/Installing_extensions#Global_installation |
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| 18:31.43 | nodiscc | but it doesn' get copied to the ~/.mozilla/firefox/48949849.blah new profile directory when I create a new profile in Iceweasel |
| 18:31.45 | Brody_ | weenus babilen so one of you recommends the 486, the other recommends the 686 pae. but neither of you recommend the 3.2.0-4-486 or the 3.2.0-4-686-pae am i correct? |
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| 18:32.28 | nodiscc | placing the .xpi directly in /etc/iceweasel/profile/extensions/ direxctly doesn't work either |
| 18:32.34 | nodiscc | I'm out of ideas, any suggestions? |
| 18:32.49 | babilen | judd: depends linux-image-686-pae |
| 18:32.50 | judd | Package linux-image-686-pae in wheezy/i386 -- depends: linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae. |
| 18:33.04 | babilen | Brody_: It's simply a metapackage that pulls in the "current" kernel ^^^ |
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| 18:34.21 | babilen | Brody_: It is important once you upgrade your system. If you have the metapackage installed your kernel will be upgraded and if you don't it won't. Most people prefer it if they get the kernel that comes with the release they are upgrading to. I would also recommend to use the 686 kernel *iff* your processor supports it. |
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| 18:35.39 | Brody_ | babilen ok that seems cool. i think because this machine is so old, and is single core and low memory i will try the 486. |
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| 18:42.11 | sweb | how can i save header and content of url using wget. but both of them in seperate file output |
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| 18:44.32 | Sidicas | Anybody good with watch files? liferea moved from sourceforge to github and I'm trying to get the watch file working properly. It keeps giving me "No debian directories found" |
| 18:45.03 | Sidicas | oh ok should have gone up a directory first.. |
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| 18:45.46 | Sidicas | ok nvm, figured it out.. silly me |
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| 18:54.14 | johnfg | ompaul: Since I'm running gnome in compatible version, I suppose instead of kmenuedit I should use gnomes menu config tool? |
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| 18:55.00 | sweb | http://superuser.com/questions/719040/save-content-and-header-into-diffident-file-using-wget |
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| 18:57.01 | tharkun | ETA to drop old-stable? |
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| 18:57.44 | zykotick9 | tharkun: old-stable is supported for one year after release of current stable... i don't know when wheezy was released, but you could look it up ;) |
| 18:57.57 | tharkun | !wheezy |
| 18:57.57 | dpkg | Wheezy is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 7.0, released on 2013-05-04: http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 . Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <release notes> <squeeze->wheezy>. Currently <7.4>. |
| 18:58.05 | tharkun | zykotick9: Thanks |
| 18:58.08 | zykotick9 | there you go ;) |
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| 19:01.16 | gandaliter | Phyks_: Can you write some script on your root filesystem that logs something (into the root filesystem) when run, and edit your initramfs init script to call it before switching roots? That way you can tell whether it has managed to mount it correctly. If it works, run the script after it switches roots, and see if it still works. It seems that failing to mount the filesystem might not be the problem, because if it were, initramfs would continue |
| 19:01.18 | gandaliter | to prompt you. Maybe it's getting stuck further down the line. |
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| 19:08.37 | tharkun | I've been asked to migrate an old machine. Into some newer hardware. Can anyone tell me where I can download potato cd's if available? |
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| 19:09.10 | jhutchins | tharkun: Lucky you! |
| 19:09.11 | Phyks | gandaliter: Finally, it managed to boot. But I have absolutely no idea of what I could possibly change… and am not really likely to reboot now… if you have ideas, I take them :) |
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| 19:09.18 | jhutchins | tharkun: Can't just build a new server to take over? |
| 19:09.21 | RoyK | tharkun: isn't it easier to just install a new machine and migrate the servicees? |
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| 19:09.31 | jhutchins | !potato |
| 19:09.31 | dpkg | Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato |
| 19:10.01 | jhutchins | tharkun: I would check archive.debian.org |
| 19:10.01 | tharkun | Yes, but the machine itself is not booting anymore. The data I'm interested is the db it is holding |
| 19:10.15 | RoyK | tharkun: what sort of db? |
| 19:10.21 | centrx | tharkun, You can boot with any Live CD and get the data from the disk |
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| 19:10.56 | jhutchins | centrx: You are assuming that why it's not booting isn't hardware. |
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| 19:11.04 | tharkun | RoyK: I don't know it is either mysql or postgresql. Both of those have changed so much that are no longer compatible with newer versions of that same software |
| 19:11.52 | RoyK | tharkun: you should find old versions over the dbms and make a dump |
| 19:11.58 | RoyK | tharkun: do you have a backup? |
| 19:12.34 | jhutchins | tharkun: I _think_ you can still just copy the mysql db files into the directory and the newer versions can still understand them, but a dump would be nice. |
| 19:12.51 | jhutchins | RoyK: That's probably why he wants to install potato, so he has the old version of the db software. |
| 19:13.10 | RoyK | yes |
| 19:13.20 | jhutchins | Wow. 14 years ago. Things have changed a bit. |
| 19:13.25 | jhutchins | ntfs was still in the core. |
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| 19:13.38 | Brigo | jhutchins: yes, i was joung then :-) |
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| 19:13.46 | jhutchins | (Worked fine 99% of the time too - it was that 1% everybody freaked out about.) |
| 19:13.53 | RoyK | tharkun: http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/ |
| 19:13.56 | tharkun | RoyK: Do you think they would have called me if they had a transferable backup? |
| 19:14.04 | ted20 | Any email box without spam & entered phone number |
| 19:14.08 | ted20 | ? |
| 19:14.29 | jhutchins | ted20: Because pancakes. |
| 19:14.29 | RoyK | tharkun: hehehe |
| 19:14.39 | RoyK | tharkun: do you have access to the drive? |
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| 19:15.02 | tharkun | RoyK: Not at the moment. It is on a rather isolated town. |
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| 19:16.11 | ted20 | jhutchins: What do you mean? |
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| 19:16.28 | ted20 | jhutchins: pancakes mail :D ? |
| 19:16.41 | tharkun | jhutchins: I really don't know what to expect. I can only say that "Heck that machine has been running unattended for at least 12 years. WOW!" |
| 19:16.52 | jhutchins | ted20: Sorry, your question did not make any sense. |
| 19:16.57 | tharkun | It deserves to come down with flying colors |
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| 19:17.34 | ted20 | jhutchins: Ok, so, how email wihout spam & enter phone number? |
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| 19:17.54 | jhutchins | !pl |
| 19:17.54 | dpkg | Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>. |
| 19:17.56 | RoyK | tharkun: ok |
| 19:18.09 | RoyK | tharkun: is the drive readable? |
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| 19:18.28 | jhutchins | ted20: Still doesn't make sense. What does a phone number have to do with either email or spam? |
| 19:18.48 | jhutchins | ted20: Are you looking for an MTA? A service? A client? An addressbook? |
| 19:18.52 | ted20 | jhutchins: I really don't understand you... |
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| 19:19.30 | ted20 | jhutchins: to begin, i'm not from poland, i'm using a vpn... |
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| 19:19.33 | babilen | ted20: What is the "email box" you are referring to? |
| 19:19.38 | Brigo | i think ted20 are seaching for a alternativa a gmail. |
| 19:20.22 | abrotman | ted20: How is this related to Debian? |
| 19:20.50 | ted20 | babilen: Yes, I think about mail service |
| 19:20.57 | gandaliter | Phyks: Did it boot without intervention at the initramfs stage? |
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| 19:21.08 | babilen | ted20: What does that have to do with Debian? |
| 19:21.09 | ted20 | babilen: service = provider |
| 19:21.35 | centrx | ponders the mystery of "service = provider" |
| 19:21.41 | babilen | hehe |
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| 19:22.07 | Phyks | gandaliter: I regenerated my initramfs and updated grub, as I already had done few times before (before each failed reboot) and followed the instructions here to unlock the disk : http://blog.nguyenvq.com/blog/2011/09/13/remote-unlocking-luks-encrypted-lvm-using-dropbear-ssh-in-ubuntu/ |
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| 19:22.11 | ted20 | centrx: may be service provider? |
| 19:22.17 | abrotman | ted20: how is this related to Debian? |
| 19:22.27 | jhutchins | ted20: Free email services make their money by selling information about you. If they don't do that, they have to charge you for the service. |
| 19:22.36 | abrotman | ahem ... |
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| 19:23.01 | jhutchins | ted20: Google is one of the best. AOL, Yahoo, and Microsoft also offer mail services. |
| 19:23.18 | abrotman | please move on .. this is not a topic for #debian |
| 19:23.19 | jhutchins | ted20: Most U.S. ISPs include email service in your subscription. |
| 19:23.24 | babilen | jhutchins: Please, try to stay on-topic in here. That has very little, if anything, to do with Debian. |
| 19:23.44 | jhutchins | babilen: Sorry. Wandering mind day. |
| 19:23.47 | gandaliter | Phyks: If it's working don't touch it! |
| 19:23.49 | babilen | np |
| 19:23.54 | ted20 | jhutchins: hushmail's now play charge... |
| 19:24.03 | ted20 | jhutchins: hushmail's now charge... |
| 19:24.05 | Phyks | gandaliter: +1, but I'd like to be sure to be safe whenever I'll have to reboot |
| 19:24.16 | Phyks | gandaliter: and not lose another 24h tweaking it |
| 19:24.38 | norberhuis | Hello, I manage a debian server that provides for utilities for 5 employee's and runs the sales system in a shop. I have troubles with only having a production server so to say. So I am thinking of using two VM's. With one VM being a production VM and the other a test/development VM. How can they run on the same data? Can snapshots help me in this? |
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| 19:25.00 | abrotman | ted20: please take this to a more appropriate channel, this is not it. |
| 19:25.15 | gandaliter | Phyks: I think if it's booting with the current initramfs then it will probably do so consistently. You can test that by rebooting a couple of times though |
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| 19:25.33 | jhutchins | norberhuis: MySQL allows two servers to share data via a transaction log, usually in master/slave model |
| 19:25.45 | centrx | norberhuis, You are going to pay a heavy price to have your production server run in a VM on the same old machine |
| 19:26.14 | centrx | norberhuis, performance-wise that is |
| 19:26.30 | jhutchins | norberhuis: This is true, you're essentially running three servers on the same hardware. |
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| 19:27.36 | centrx | norberhuis, I would....buy another computer for....$400 |
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| 19:28.27 | jhutchins | Micro-Center refurb. |
| 19:28.38 | cybrNaut | ted20: since when? i know someone opened a free hm account just a month ago |
| 19:28.44 | Brigo | centrx: lxc containers :-) |
| 19:28.52 | centrx | norberhuis, You could also run your development VM on your local computer to test out new changes |
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| 19:29.03 | gandaliter | Phyks: Something must have changed. Perhaps the LVM config in the initramfs was wrong or something, and this time you generated it from a system in a slightly different state. There are many things it could have been. |
| 19:29.20 | cybrNaut | hm has appeared non-free for the past year or so.. but it's just an illusion |
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| 19:31.12 | norberhuis | Thank you guys. You gave me a starting point from where I can conduct a study of if vms are viable and in what way. |
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| 19:31.52 | sadbox | norberhuis: What do you mean by "run on the same data"? |
| 19:33.10 | threadlock | Hi, I have an issue with 'virsh console', when I ^l to refresh the screen it seems to freeze the VM, any key (I'm guessing, have only tried ^c and space) will unfreeze it. |
| 19:33.13 | threadlock | This is on a Debian Wheezy 7.3 host with libvirt 0.9.12.3-1 and I am installing Debian VMs with virtinst 0.600.1-3+deb7u1. |
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| 19:33.30 | RoyK | doesn't like mysql |
| 19:33.35 | RoyK | also doesn't like mysql |
| 19:33.59 | norberhuis | sadbox: The data I have in mind are just files shared through samba. The test VM only just needs the data as a good test dataset and to be as closes as possible too the production VM. |
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| 19:34.42 | norberhuis | The files currently reside on several LV's |
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| 19:34.43 | miseria | "aquel que tiene el complejo de la envidia, sufre de persecucion, la defenza es maltratar al oponente de envidioso" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival* |
| 19:34.48 | Brigo | norberhuis: copy them from a backup and go :) |
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| 19:41.06 | n-iCe | hello guys! |
| 19:41.21 | centrx | Ahoy |
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| 19:42.54 | n-iCe | how you doing? ok? |
| 19:43.45 | babilen | n-iCe: If you are looking for a social channel please "/join #debian-offtopic" |
| 19:43.52 | centrx | n-iCe, I am okay. What e-mail service provider do you prefer? - Sorry, don't answer that. Inside joke. |
| 19:44.06 | babilen | ... |
| 19:44.07 | Brigo | centrx: :-) |
| 19:45.06 | n-iCe | babilen: that's why nobody says hi to you |
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| 19:45.38 | n-iCe | =p |
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| 19:45.54 | babilen | n-iCe: Seriously, take it to #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:46.18 | Phyks | gandaliter: I agree, but would rather not reboot now… I'll see next time I reboot. Thanks for your help ! |
| 19:46.29 | Miesco_ | How come my subtitle files are all gibberish now? |
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| 19:47.47 | gandaliter | Phyks: No problem. |
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| 19:49.20 | n-iCe | Guys, I was using squeeze, wanted to move to wheezy are those sources.list the corrects one? or are there any others to add? thanks in advance: http://paste.debian.net/82947/ |
| 19:49.28 | Lars_G | Should backports on wheezy questions be made here? |
| 19:49.39 | centrx | Lars_G, Sure |
| 19:50.14 | centrx | n-iCe, That looks good. |
| 19:50.29 | n-iCe | centrx: thanks! I am doing update upgrade and dist-upgrade, right? |
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| 19:50.42 | Lars_G | I tried to install the newer kernel yesterday, 3.12 -amd64 but after many troubles, I think the linux-headers package for -amd64 is broken... after install /usr/src/linux-xxx-amd64/include/linux is empty for example... wether it shoudl contain the files itself, or symlink them from linux-headers -common, it doesnt |
| 19:50.54 | babilen | n-iCe: Looks about alright, but I would recommend to follow the release notes. Read <release notes> and <squeeze->wheezy> for details -- /msg dpkg release notes |
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| 19:51.02 | centrx | n-iCe, I am thinking it might be safer to leave out the volatile updates for the upgrade, but maybe I am just being paranoid |
| 19:51.13 | Lars_G | And as the arch specific headers is the directory symlinked to /lib/modules/uname -r/build then the include/linux directory there is empty as well |
| 19:51.38 | n-iCe | centrx: why is there dist-upgrade then for |
| 19:51.47 | Lars_G | Any idea if it's a package problem? or have I fucked up something? I've tried reinstalls. deinstalls, etc. I was about to check postinst scripts, but before I go deeper I wondered if this is known |
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| 19:51.50 | babilen | n-iCe: Please also make sure that your squeeze system is completely up-to-date before you upgrade (but that is also discussed in the release notes) :) |
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| 19:52.00 | centrx | n-iCe, dist-upgrade too, I didn't mean to imply anything else |
| 19:52.07 | Lars_G | Let me get numbers, exact numbers. |
| 19:52.32 | centrx | n-iCe, Use dist-upgrade, yes |
| 19:52.52 | Lars_G | linux-headers-3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 19:53.26 | babilen | n-iCe: Please, do yourself the favour of doing it correctly and follow the release notes |
| 19:53.32 | RoyK | Lars_G: why 3.12? |
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| 19:53.44 | centrx | Lars_G, It is empty on my system too, using jessie/testing, so I assume it is correct for some reason |
| 19:53.44 | Lars_G | RoyK: It's what I found in backports? did I miss the version? |
| 19:53.57 | Lars_G | centrx: "correct", rather, I'm not crazy. |
| 19:54.02 | n-iCe | centrx: ok, did update, upgrade, now dist-upgrade, thanks! |
| 19:54.08 | Lars_G | centrx: I'll check the changelog for postinst or something |
| 19:54.31 | babilen | *shrug* |
| 19:54.34 | centrx | Lars_G, Looks like they might be in /usr/src/linux-headers-3.12-1-common/include/linux/ |
| 19:54.42 | centrx | Lars_G, As they are not architecture specific |
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| 19:55.27 | RoyK | Lars_G: just wondered why not 3.2 |
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| 19:56.00 | centrx | RoyK, 3.2 is older, they are numbered by the full number between the dots, so 2 < 12 |
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| 19:56.16 | Lars_G | centrx: Yes, but they should be at least symlinked, otherwise symlinking /lib/modules/3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64/build to the arch specific dir causes troubles, like failing dkms builds for example |
| 19:56.18 | RoyK | centrx: yes, it's older, but it works |
| 19:56.34 | RoyK | centrx: just wondered what Lars_G needed in 3.12 |
| 19:56.46 | Lars_G | RoyK: Sorry I wont justify myself in this case. |
| 19:56.59 | RoyK | Lars_G: just curious |
| 19:57.02 | centrx | RoyK, He is working on a top-secret project that requires advanced features. |
| 19:57.02 | n-iCe | after that I'm gonna be using wheezy right? centrx, stable? is there a way to move out to testing after the upgrade? |
| 19:57.08 | RoyK | centrx: hehehe |
| 19:57.32 | centrx | n-iCe, Yes, you will be, and yes, there is |
| 19:57.39 | Lars_G | n-iCe: Testing is an interesting place to live. |
| 19:57.56 | Lars_G | n-iCe: So, do only if you can take interesting :) |
| 19:57.59 | Lars_G | n-iCe: Is my suggestion. |
| 19:58.08 | n-iCe | Lars_G: :D centrx thanks!! let's do first the upgrade step! |
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| 19:58.20 | Lars_G | n-iCe: Update first, before upgrade |
| 19:58.27 | n-iCe | yes of course :) |
| 19:58.30 | centrx | On your mark! Get set! Go! |
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| 19:58.52 | Lars_G | Lived about a year in sid between sarge and etch |
| 19:59.00 | kwaqz | hey. im trying to change my keyboard language/layout to norwegian. I've changed the keyboardfile in etc/default to have "no". it worked before , but now its back to english. any tips? |
| 19:59.05 | Lars_G | man I feel old |
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| 19:59.46 | centrx | Lars_G, I remember a time before testing existed. |
| 19:59.50 | jhutchins | Lars_G: I only came to Debian at etch, but I've been in Linux since before potato. |
| 20:00.04 | Lars_G | jhutchins: My first kernel was 2.0.32 |
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| 20:00.16 | n-iCe | talking about kernels |
| 20:00.17 | Lars_G | I lived the ipchains era |
| 20:00.27 | kwaqz | I've also tried "setxkbmap no" |
| 20:00.35 | babilen | n-iCe: And once again, I'd recommend to read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable before you take it to testing, to make up your mind if you want to track testing, jessie or, say, a testing unstable mix and whatnot. I would also like to remind you that testing is a development release with a bunch of idiosyncrasies |
| 20:00.36 | jhutchins | Good times! Punchcards! Paper tape! Toggle switches! |
| 20:00.37 | n-iCe | how long does Debian usually keep the old stuff before upgrade? |
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| 20:00.43 | Lars_G | jhutchins: I experienced the "trying to get righ modelines for xfree86" era. |
| 20:00.44 | n-iCe | I mean, what's the last kernel it is using |
| 20:00.44 | kwaqz | but i get xkb extension not wokring |
| 20:01.07 | centrx | n-iCe, Not sure what you mean |
| 20:01.12 | Lars_G | n-iCe: Stable versions don't switch major kernel versions |
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| 20:01.27 | Lars_G | n-iCe: Stable keeps the same kernel all its life, and only adds very critical patches |
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| 20:01.42 | centrx | kwaqz, Did /etc/default get changed back somehow, or does it just not work? |
| 20:01.50 | kwaqz | doesnt work |
| 20:01.59 | kwaqz | it isnt changed back |
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| 20:02.10 | Lars_G | hmmm |
| 20:02.17 | n-iCe | ouh ouh, dist-upgrade will move me to gnome3 xD |
| 20:02.26 | Lars_G | n-iCe: yeppers, wheezy is gnome 3. |
| 20:02.33 | babilen | n-iCe: Stable is, well, stable which simply means "not changing" in the context of Debian. See <stable> and http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html |
| 20:02.46 | kwaqz | XKBLAYOUT="no" |
| 20:02.49 | kwaqz | is what i got |
| 20:03.01 | kwaqz | in that keyboard file |
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| 20:04.37 | centrx | kwaqz, Maybe the locales were uninstalled somehow? |
| 20:05.22 | kwaqz | could be. i dont know what locales is. im pretty new to this, and have never used linux before |
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| 20:06.12 | centrx | kwaqz, Welcome! |
| 20:06.16 | kwaqz | :) |
| 20:06.26 | kwaqz | how can i install locals again? |
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| 20:07.21 | centrx | kwaqz, There is a package called locales. You can make sure you have it installed by using the command: apt-get install locales |
| 20:07.31 | centrx | kwaqz, There might be a package for locales in X too, not sure about that |
| 20:07.37 | Lars_G | Interesting |
| 20:08.03 | Lars_G | the xkb-data package has xkeyboard-config for a lot of languages, but not for "no", in wheezy |
| 20:08.23 | kwaqz | but it worked at first |
| 20:08.31 | kwaqz | i just changed the text in the file and rebooted |
| 20:08.37 | kwaqz | but it suddenly doesnt work anymore |
| 20:08.53 | RoyK | Lars_G: wierd :P |
| 20:08.54 | Lars_G | kwaqz: Wait... if it worked why did you change the config file? |
| 20:09.42 | kwaqz | sorry. First it didnt work. Then i edited the file to have XKBLAYOUT="no", and then i rebooted. _Then_ it worked :) |
| 20:09.50 | kwaqz | but now it suddenly doesnt work anymore |
| 20:10.16 | kwaqz | and it still says XKBLAYOUT="no" in the keyboard file located in etc/default |
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| 20:10.51 | kwaqz | I probably have done something else that have f'ed this up then? |
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| 20:12.47 | Lars_G | kwaqz: Are you using wheezy or the next one (jessie?) using gnome? try to adjust the keyboard layout in the gnome configs |
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| 20:12.58 | kwaqz | im using Linux bamt |
| 20:13.01 | Lars_G | gnome reads from system settings but it has its own config systems |
| 20:13.22 | jhutchins | !bamt |
| 20:13.29 | Miesco_ | I have a wifi card Intel 7260 and it keeps breaking after about an hour, is there a way to restart the card without rebooting? |
| 20:14.01 | Lars_G | Miesco_: deactivate the interface, and remove and reinstall the module if it's in module |
| 20:14.03 | Miesco_ | I tried doing rmmod iwlmvm && rmmod iwlwifi && modprobe iwlwifi but then the card just timesout when I try to use it |
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| 20:14.11 | kwaqz | Any links where i can read up on this? i really need to figure it out |
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| 20:14.14 | Lars_G | does rmmod work? |
| 20:14.33 | babilen | Miesco_: You could, probably, simply reload its kernel module. I would also recommend trying a newer kernel. See <bdo kernel> for help with that and don't forget to install firmware-linux-nonfree from wheezy-backports too. |
| 20:14.36 | Lars_G | you need to do ifconfig wlan0 down (or wathever interface name) for the module to be unloadable. |
| 20:14.37 | Miesco_ | Lars_G: It unloads the module but then after I reload it it is worse |
| 20:15.00 | Lars_G | Miesco_: Ok, did you check dmesg after you reload the module to see any possible warnings from the module? |
| 20:15.07 | Miesco_ | babilen: Sorry im on Jessie because this wifi card only has drivers in 3.12 kernel |
| 20:15.14 | babilen | Miesco_: I've cycled Centrino cards with "modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi" a couple of times. |
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| 20:15.23 | babilen | Miesco_: Well, you want #debian-next then. |
| 20:15.26 | Lars_G | Miesco_: You could use a backported kernel on wheezy ;) |
| 20:15.27 | jhutchins | kwaqz: bamt is not Debian, that's why what works in Debian doesn't necessarily work in bamt, and what fixes Debian might very well break bamt. |
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| 20:15.30 | Miesco_ | k |
| 20:15.37 | babilen | Miesco_: But it might be a genuine bug in the driver. |
| 20:15.40 | kwaqz | is there any command i can write in terminal to reload the keybouard config file? |
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| 20:15.43 | Lars_G | Oh... isn't it debian-next? I could have sworn I was in debiab-next... |
| 20:15.47 | Lars_G | how did I get here? |
| 20:16.17 | Lars_G | Miesco_: Anyhow as they say, new driver, can have issues.... also if you need private firmware for the card, check if youhave the firmware, and if it's a "current" one |
| 20:16.21 | babilen | The channel is, with the rest of the official ones, on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:16.26 | kwaqz | jhutchins: aha. i was told it was debiam |
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| 20:16.28 | Lars_G | but.... |
| 20:16.34 | Lars_G | babilen: it's listed on alis! |
| 20:16.35 | Lars_G | meh |
| 20:16.59 | Lars_G | kwaqz: For console yes, but it wont affect your running xorg session |
| 20:17.31 | kwaqz | hmm this linux is driving me nuts |
| 20:17.36 | kwaqz | thanks anyways |
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| 20:18.05 | Lars_G | you can try /etc/init.d/keyboard-setup restart |
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| 20:18.13 | Lars_G | kwaqz: Again. Are, you, using gnome? |
| 20:18.18 | Lars_G | kwaqz: try the gnome config tool. |
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| 20:18.58 | kwaqz | i dont know Lars_g, im using linux bamt. I was told it was based on debian. i dont know that gnome is. I obviously need to educate myself :D |
| 20:19.12 | jhutchins | Lars_G: It existis on freenode to prevent someone from setting up a rogue version. |
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| 20:19.50 | babilen | kwaqz: Unfortunately we only support pure Debian in here. |
| 20:19.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell kwaqz about based on |
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| 20:20.17 | n-iCe | I am using Intel® Core™ i3 CPU M 350 @ 2.27GHz × 4 adm64 version is the one for me right? |
| 20:20.22 | Lars_G | kwaqz: You need to learn what your window manager is, and how to configure your keyboard in that then |
| 20:20.24 | kwaqz | babilen: ok . thanks anyway |
| 20:20.43 | jelly-hme | n-iCe: correct |
| 20:20.44 | Lars_G | n-iCe: i386 would work too... don't try to update from one arch to another, it's doable but VERY stressing and pretty hard |
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| 20:20.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell kwaqz -about install debian |
| 20:20.58 | Lars_G | n-iCe: If you have i386 right now and don't want to reinstall, keep in i386 |
| 20:21.06 | babilen | kwaqz: In case you are interested in installing Debian |
| 20:21.16 | jhutchins | kwaqz: You might find it useful to install Debian and play around with it a bit. WE can help with that, and that would give you some good clues for running bamt. |
| 20:21.25 | Lars_G | n-iCe: If you're using amd64 right now, keep in amd64, either will work on that cpu |
| 20:21.27 | boudiccas | how can i check all files in a directory for the phrase 'remember-theme' please? |
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| 20:21.36 | centrx | n-iCe, Use amd64 |
| 20:21.38 | n-iCe | Lars_G: after the diist-upgrade a lot of errors came after reboot, so I will do a fresh install for the last cd |
| 20:21.39 | RoyK | n-iCe: if you need support for 4GB+, use AMD64, otherwise 32bit will work |
| 20:21.39 | babilen | boudiccas: Use grep with "-r" |
| 20:21.43 | Lars_G | boudiccas: grep -l "remember-theme" * |
| 20:21.46 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 20:21.53 | Lars_G | babilen: "in a directory", so no -r |
| 20:21.54 | babilen | n-iCe: Did you follow the release notes? |
| 20:22.03 | n-iCe | babilen: yes, gnome could not be loaded |
| 20:22.04 | Lars_G | n-iCe: Then, yes, go amd64 |
| 20:22.20 | Lars_G | RoyK: 32bit works with 4GB+ too. |
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| 20:22.27 | Lars_G | RoyK: With pae. |
| 20:22.29 | jelly-hme | RoyK: i386 also has 64bit kernels to enable >4GB RAM usage |
| 20:22.50 | kwaqz | jhutchins: thanks :) I will come by if i ever get time to install pure debian. |
| 20:22.53 | jelly-hme | (without PAE 5% slowdown) |
| 20:23.02 | Lars_G | RoyK: And, in the long run amd64 might pay, beyound memory ussage, slowly some stuff goes amd64 only.... |
| 20:23.17 | Lars_G | jelly-hme: Meh, yeah... -amd64:i386 right? |
| 20:23.18 | centrx | amd64 will have faster performance |
| 20:23.30 | Lars_G | centrx: Almost unoticable in most cases |
| 20:23.36 | babilen | n-iCe: If you'd like to figure it out you might want to paste the log you created to http://paste.debian.net ? You could, however, also reinstall if your prefer that. No idea which steps you performed otherwise. |
| 20:23.36 | jelly-hme | Lars_G: what "stuff" do you think goes amd64 only? |
| 20:23.41 | jhutchins | centrx: ... for some but not all operations. |
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| 20:24.02 | n-iCe | babilen: I don't care, I have a great bandwith and a 8GB usb :po |
| 20:24.03 | Lars_G | jelly-hme: There are a few cryptocurrency miners that are amd64 only for example. if I saw right even a few OSS ones |
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| 20:24.25 | babilen | n-iCe: And not much patience ;) But sure, enjoy the new installation :D |
| 20:24.26 | n-iCe | by the way, which DE should I choose :o !!! lxde or xfce, I think people don't like gnome3 at all, and I don't like KDE |
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| 20:24.39 | Lars_G | jelly-hme: Some virtualization hypervisors I think are tending thowards 64 bit builds or even code only if I saw right... I might be wrong there |
| 20:24.39 | jelly-hme | Lars_G: this is a mobile cpu on a laptop, not mining gear |
| 20:24.43 | RoyK | Lars_G: indeed, and you need to have very pointer-heavy apps for memory use to be an issue |
| 20:24.53 | Lars_G | n-iCe: It's a matter of taste.... what do you not like in gnome? |
| 20:24.59 | RoyK | perhaps a python app using large arrays :P |
| 20:25.03 | n-iCe | oh I loved gnome2, never used gnome3 |
| 20:25.08 | Lars_G | RoyK: Perhaps |
| 20:25.08 | n-iCe | is not adapted for like touch screens? |
| 20:25.14 | n-iCe | I read that, I guess |
| 20:25.15 | babilen | n-iCe: Gnome3 is fine, but tastes are different. We really can't tell you what *you* like. I personally prefer a light and tiling window manager like awesome, but fluxbox and openbox are great choices too. |
| 20:25.16 | RoyK | python arrays are just pointers, so there it does indeed make a difference :P |
| 20:25.16 | Lars_G | ....... |
| 20:25.37 | Lars_G | n-iCe: If you want touch screen stuff.... xfce or lxde wont serve you better than gnome or kde..... |
| 20:25.49 | jelly-hme | RoyK: there are edge cases on both sides... I've found some pointer-heavy perl stuff to be much faster in i386 |
| 20:25.50 | RoyK | an array of ints in python is an array of pointers to ints, for some reason :P |
| 20:25.55 | Lars_G | n-iCe: There might already be a few touchscreen improved WMs/DEs but I've not delved there yet |
| 20:26.10 | RoyK | jelly-hme: yes, that can make sense |
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| 20:26.31 | n-iCe | no I don't want touch |
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| 20:26.39 | n-iCe | I want it pretty and smooth |
| 20:26.52 | Lars_G | n-iCe: Pretty... and smooth.... I'd choose xfce 4 probably |
| 20:27.03 | Lars_G | it's a matter of taste |
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| 20:27.20 | n-iCe | ok |
| 20:27.22 | n-iCe | I will download both |
| 20:27.33 | Lars_G | try a few, you can have several, and select which one to use during login |
| 20:27.42 | bertrik | I'm on xfce4 now (gnome won't install currently on unstable) and I'm pleasantly surprised about it |
| 20:28.12 | babilen | n-iCe: You can install all of them later. Gnome 3 is nice (particularly in jessie) and you really don't have to download multiple images. I'd recommend to use the network installer with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware installer) and then to install the DEs and WMs you are interested in |
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| 20:28.42 | Lars_G | babilen: gnome3 has some nice ideas, but the change from 2 can be traumatic |
| 20:28.43 | babilen | n-iCe: Ask the bot about <install gnome> <install kde> <install xfce> and <install lxde> for details on how to do that. |
| 20:28.59 | Lars_G | n-iCe: You could also check fluxbox. |
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| 20:29.14 | RoyK | jelly-hme: actually, it doesn't make much sense, imho, do you have documents on that? |
| 20:29.20 | n-iCe | ok, will the netinstall |
| 20:29.25 | n-iCe | detect my wireless card? |
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| 20:29.29 | babilen | Lars_G: Or enlightening... I know plenty of people who love it and others who don't like it. Everybody has to make their own choices. |
| 20:29.34 | Lars_G | n-iCe: I hope so |
| 20:29.49 | RoyK | n-iCe: afaik the initramfs is the same |
| 20:29.51 | Lars_G | babilen: Yeah, used to be very pretty and hipster and still works well but I feel it got kinda "stuck" in time |
| 20:29.53 | babilen | n-iCe: Which wireless card is that? But yes, the likelihood that it would work is much higher if you have firmware. |
| 20:29.54 | n-iCe | 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 20:30.01 | Lars_G | Ah initramfs |
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| 20:30.16 | ted20 | babilen: if you can check your msg |
| 20:30.16 | Lars_G | that's another thing that pissed me from the kernel-image backport in wheezy... it uses.... what's the name? |
| 20:30.27 | babilen | Lars_G: I am not really interested in having that discussion again if you don't mind. |
| 20:30.50 | AlexPortable | Hi |
| 20:31.07 | n-iCe | done gnome3 downloaded |
| 20:31.09 | AlexPortable | I have a web interface to manage some things of the server, and another one to create VM's, and the CLI |
| 20:31.20 | n-iCe | I will download unetbootin |
| 20:31.25 | AlexPortable | Which one is the best to disable? |
| 20:31.28 | n-iCe | I read Debian has his own way to move it to a usb? |
| 20:31.31 | babilen | n-iCe: No, don't. unetbootin breaks our images. |
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| 20:31.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell n-iCe -about usb install |
| 20:32.13 | Lars_G | AlexPortable: Is this libvirt based? |
| 20:32.32 | heg | 0 |
| 20:32.34 | RoyK | 1 |
| 20:32.42 | n-iCe | wow just that? thanks |
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| 20:32.53 | AlexPortable | Lars_G: proxmox |
| 20:33.11 | Lars_G | AlexPortable: virsh and libvirt command tools are always more powerfull than the web version, and access to them slightly easier to secure.... but it's more complicated. Yet if you're willing to learn libvirt cli and virsh have let me unscrew stuff other gui tools have screwed |
| 20:33.19 | Lars_G | ah, not sure about proxmox, sorry |
| 20:33.34 | AlexPortable | I'm looking about what to turn off |
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| 20:33.43 | AlexPortable | Then I can enable it when I want |
| 20:33.56 | RoyK | Lars_G: virt-manager works too, for most things |
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| 20:34.22 | n-iCe | whaat? just cp debian.iso /dev/sdb ? |
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| 20:34.53 | Lars_G | RoyK: Yes, but virt-manager has damaged some stuff for me when doing config changes, that I had to fix in virsh, but for most daily work, virt-manager is a breeze |
| 20:35.03 | Lars_G | n-iCe: I doubt that's the instruction |
| 20:35.03 | babilen | n-iCe: Yes, why should it be more complicated? (make sure not to forget "sync" and to copy it to the right device) |
| 20:35.10 | Lars_G | oh wait. |
| 20:35.20 | n-iCe | Lars_G: that's all the tuto says hehe |
| 20:35.22 | n-iCe | babilen: yeah! thanks! |
| 20:35.23 | Lars_G | is this for efi? the iso comes with efi hooks? |
| 20:35.27 | n-iCe | I will be here in gnome3 debian 7 |
| 20:35.27 | n-iCe | :D |
| 20:35.46 | babilen | Lars_G: The wheezy installer supports EFI, yes |
| 20:36.13 | Lars_G | Nice, but if the machine is not efi, or not efi enabled, it will fail to recognize an iso file in a usb drive, wouldn't it? |
| 20:36.27 | Lars_G | at least a boot sector would have to be dd-ed into the drive? |
| 20:36.45 | Lars_G | dpkg: tell Lars_G about usb install |
| 20:36.57 | RoyK | dpkg: tell me about usb install |
| 20:37.05 | babilen | dpkg: selftell |
| 20:37.06 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
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| 20:38.10 | babilen | Lars_G: No, copying it is perfectly fine. And, in fact, dd is doing nothing magical that differs from what cp is doing, but only offers additional options (such as choosing offsets and copying specific numbers of blocks) |
| 20:38.42 | babilen | Lars_G: dd will also be slower than cp by default (that is if you don't choose a sensible blocksize by yourself) |
| 20:39.02 | Lars_G | Ah, cp not to a mountpoint, cp to the device file... that makes sense, yeah |
| 20:39.11 | babilen | exactly |
| 20:39.19 | Lars_G | yeah yeah I get it now |
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| 20:39.25 | babilen | hooray :) |
| 20:39.28 | Lars_G | I thought it was cp to mountpount |
| 20:39.46 | RoyK | hardly any mountpoints under /dev, Lars_G ;) |
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| 20:40.05 | n-iCe | I think I am done |
| 20:40.16 | n-iCe | rebooting |
| 20:40.16 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 20:40.28 | Lars_G | good luck |
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| 20:43.53 | AlexPortable | ? |
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| 20:44.56 | RoyK | AlexPortable: ! |
| 20:45.15 | AlexPortable | what should i disable |
| 20:45.22 | AlexPortable | promox wbe interface, the other web interface or ssh server ? |
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| 20:45.50 | RoyK | well, using the commandline is always better, so just diable the webstuff ;) |
| 20:46.11 | AlexPortable | well is the commandline more secure? |
| 20:46.25 | jhutchins | AlexPortable: Very much more secure. |
| 20:46.25 | Brody_ | installing debian, i get a fail message: Grub-pc package failed to insall into /target/ Without the grub boot loader the installed system will not boot. |
| 20:46.52 | Brody_ | An option i have is to install Lilo instead and try to carry on. Is this recommended? |
| 20:47.04 | jhutchins | AlexPortable: While some of the web control panels are not too bad, it's always best to know how to do things crom the CLI in case they break, because that's the only way you can fix them anyway. |
| 20:47.05 | AlexPortable | I won't be logging in very much on the system |
| 20:47.08 | babilen | Brody_: Which image did you use and from which medium are you installing? |
| 20:47.18 | AlexPortable | it's only the question in which way do i accss it |
| 20:47.33 | Brody_ | babilen i have DVD-1 |
| 20:47.47 | jhutchins | AlexPortable: You don't strictly need to disable the web interface, just learn to get along without it. |
| 20:47.58 | babilen | Brody_: And what did you do with it? |
| 20:48.01 | AlexPortable | well I only login to the server once a month |
| 20:48.19 | jhutchins | AlexPortable: If you do this stuff right you don't have to do much. Was talking earlier with a guy working on a system nobody's touched in 12 years. |
| 20:48.21 | RoyK | AlexPortable: just learn the commandline - it's not that hard |
| 20:48.34 | AlexPortable | I can use the command line |
| 20:48.42 | AlexPortable | but a web interface is better for users to manage their vps |
| 20:48.53 | jhutchins | !free whcp |
| 20:48.54 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 20:48.57 | Brody_ | babilen i am halfway through the graphical installer using the dvd |
| 20:48.57 | AlexPortable | http://www.sheldon.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/accueil-proxmox.png |
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| 20:49.12 | babilen | Brody_: Yes, so are you installing from a DVD or USB? |
| 20:49.19 | Brody_ | dvd |
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| 20:49.21 | AlexPortable | jhutchins: i'm not looking for webhosting control panels |
| 20:49.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell AlexPortable about proxmox |
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| 20:50.10 | AlexPortable | why don't use webmin? |
| 20:50.15 | jhutchins | AlexPortable: Ah, my mistake. |
| 20:50.22 | jhutchins | AlexPortable: Very bad software. |
| 20:50.26 | AlexPortable | how so? |
| 20:50.27 | babilen | Brody_: Okay, what happens if you check on tty4? (alt-f4) ? Anything interesting? You could try the procedure in "/msg dpkg fixmbr" |
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| 20:51.21 | Brody_ | babilen this is the first time i have installed an OS so let me have a look |
| 20:51.27 | mauww | does sb has a good vps recommendation for debian ;) |
| 20:51.50 | babilen | Brody_: Sure, did you install grub into the MBR ? |
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| 20:52.59 | Brody_ | babilen ive pressed alt f4 and the screen has gone black with whit writing and im not sure how to get out of this view |
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| 20:53.44 | babilen | Brody_: You can get out with "alt-f1" or "alt-f7" or "alt-f8" (depends ... just try different fN combinations) |
| 20:54.05 | babilen | Brody_: But what does it say? Do you see an error? Did you try to install grub-pc to your MBR? |
| 20:54.10 | Brody_ | babilen i see it says grub has no installation candidate, so this might be where i need to specify where grub should install to |
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| 20:55.03 | Brody_ | babilen calling 'apt-install grub-pc' failed (thats the next line after) |
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| 20:56.28 | babilen | Brody_: Hmm, that means that it couldn't actually install the grub-pc package and the error before hints at the fact that it wasn't included in the image in the version you wanted. Did you decide to switch a different release? |
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| 20:57.08 | babilen | Brody_: I'd try a different image (e.g. CD1 or netinstall with firmware if you have internet, /msg dpkg firmware image) and to make sure that you configure network mirrors during the installation. |
| 20:57.37 | babilen | Brody_: I mean it would be possible to fix this on the command line, but I am not sure if I can talk you through that. |
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| 20:58.23 | babilen | Brody_: To be honest: I am not sure why you encountered this problem and it would be interesting to figure it out :-/ |
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| 20:59.15 | Brody_ | babilen i chose to install 486 rather than 686-pae, prob not relevant but just incase. |
| 20:59.54 | babilen | Brody_: Interesting choice, I wouldn't necessarily recommend that for halfway modern processors |
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| 21:00.27 | jhutchins | Brody_: Perhaps you mean 386? |
| 21:00.59 | babilen | judd: v linux-image-486 |
| 21:01.00 | judd | Package: linux-image-486 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.12+55~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.12+55; sid: 3.12+55 |
| 21:01.04 | babilen | jhutchins: ^^^ |
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| 21:02.03 | jhutchins | babilen: Yes, I owned several. |
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| 21:03.37 | nabblet | hi, i know this is not the 100% correct channel for that, but I think most of you will know advice. I was considering to change to testing (for general adventure, more recent software and it's rolling release property) but then read about mint debian, which seems to be what i want. Is it possible to convert to "pure debian testing" from mint debian? |
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| 21:04.05 | Brody_ | babilen in this thread http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=71331 one guy talks about installing lilo instead and carrying on. what do u think |
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| 21:04.34 | babilen | Brody_: You could try to do that and switch to grub-pc later, yeah |
| 21:04.36 | nabblet | Seems like mint debian is more or less testing + Mate or Cinnamon + some people who will make sure that the testing updates will not hit you without any check |
| 21:04.55 | Brody_ | babilen ill do so |
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| 21:05.32 | jhutchins | nabblet: No, you'd end up with an unpredictable mix of packages. Mint is NOT debian, it's different. |
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| 21:05.53 | babilen | nabblet: You can track testing if you want to and you can also run mint. The latter wouldn't be supported in here and the former has a specialised channel on irc.oftc.net called #debian-next |
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| 21:06.04 | babilen | nabblet: And you can not switch from Mint to Debian. |
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| 21:08.20 | Brody_ | babilen hmm, lilo has exact same failure. but it says 'the install problem might be unrelated to lilo, so continuing may be possible.' what do u recommend? |
| 21:08.42 | Brody_ | babilen do i need to download DVD-2 maybe? |
| 21:08.47 | nabblet | babilen: jhutchins ok thank you for your kind advice. To me the relation between Debian Testing and Mint Debian seemd to be closer than it really is. I think in that case I will stay some more time with stable and maybe toy around on a second install with testing to get a feel for it. |
| 21:08.51 | jhutchins | Brody_: No. |
| 21:08.54 | babilen | Brody_: I recommend to use "you" in lieu of "u" and you definitely don't need DVD2. |
| 21:09.19 | jhutchins | nabblet: That is an excelent way to do it. |
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| 21:09.27 | babilen | Brody_: I am not sure why the package couldn't be found -- Did you configure online mirrors during the installation? |
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| 21:10.46 | zykotick9 | babilen: but isn't grub even on the netinst image (no mirror required, type thing)? |
| 21:10.49 | Brody_ | babilen nope the machine is not configured to look online |
| 21:10.51 | babilen | Brody_: Fwiw, my recommendation is still the same: Use the netinstall with firmware and download whatever you need during the installation. You can also try the procedure in "/msg dpkg fixmbr" or try to install grub-pc manually after chrooting, but I think that this might be a bit tricky for you if I have to walk you through it (and I am also heading off soon, but somebody else might be willing to do that) |
| 21:11.00 | nabblet | jhutchins: babilen i can not join #debian-next - it's invite only |
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| 21:11.12 | zykotick9 | !tell nabblet about oftc |
| 21:11.17 | babilen | zykotick9: Yes, it should be. I am not sure why it has "no installation candidate" |
| 21:11.37 | babilen | Brody_: Ah, right ... that was the "no internet" box wasn't it? |
| 21:12.43 | nabblet | zykotick9: argh. Sorry, i was even just told that info 1 minute ago. Seems like I have the attentionspan of ferret on coffee Oo Thank you. |
| 21:13.24 | Brody_ | babilen ye i think that would be asking too much! i dont want to be a burden like that heh. |
| 21:13.51 | babilen | Brody_: It's okay, others are surely happy to help you, but i'm about to head off :) |
| 21:15.01 | Brody_ | babilen if i try to carry on without grub or lilo am i heading for a world of pain? |
| 21:16.00 | zykotick9 | Brody_: was this a computer that came with windows8 (uefi is the real question)? |
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| 21:16.05 | babilen | Brody_: You will not be able to boot the computer, but you can follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg fixmbr" -- It would, however, be tricky to install something from online mirrors if you have no internet connection. |
| 21:16.25 | Imbue | does anyone know of a CLI tool to extract encrypted 7zip files? |
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| 21:17.09 | babilen | Imbue: I use aunpack from atool for all my unpacking needs. Not sure what exactly support 7zip |
| 21:17.09 | Brody_ | zykotcik9 nope its an old machine, perhaps 10 years |
| 21:17.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell Imbue -about 7zip |
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| 21:17.31 | zykotick9 | Brody_: ok, well best of luck! |
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| 21:18.31 | Imbue | ah, 7za! :) |
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| 21:18.35 | Imbue | I wondered what that was. |
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| 21:25.04 | Imbue | is it possible for me to determine the mount options for my filesystem? |
| 21:26.05 | jhutchins | Imbue: Yes. mount, cat /etc/fstab |
| 21:26.31 | Imbue | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.37 | Imbue | what I am interested in is to find out what those defaults are :p |
| 21:26.59 | Imbue | ah hang on. mount shows them if given no arguments |
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| 21:27.02 | Imbue | thanks jhutchins |
| 21:27.26 | jhutchins | Imbue: more information in the man pages too. |
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| 21:40.25 | n-iCe | I am back |
| 21:40.35 | n-iCe | GNOME3 is not working either here |
| 21:40.41 | n-iCe | maybe is the video card driver? |
| 21:40.46 | jhutchins | n-iCe: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 21:43.09 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 21:43.24 | ShapeShifter499 | where should I put a user script if I want it to load at every boot? |
| 21:43.52 | ShapeShifter499 | I want this to run as a user (not as root) |
| 21:44.15 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: I tend to put them in /usr/local or /usr/local/bin and call them from rc.local, but that does run them as root without a bit of inittrickery. |
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| 21:45.00 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: Are you using a GUI? Would runnig at login instead of boot work? |
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| 21:46.18 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins: anytime after boot should be fine |
| 21:46.48 | ShapeShifter499 | this script just initializes bluetooth due to a bug in sid |
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| 21:48.56 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins: I never had to run a script as user before so I don't really know anywhere besides /etc/rc.local |
| 21:50.56 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins: should I have gnome load it with the startup applications? |
| 21:51.02 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: You could ask about specific solutions in #debian-next on oftc.net. I believe gnome has a startup-program folder. |
| 21:51.10 | peterrooney | ShapeShifter499: cron has the @reboot key |
| 21:51.20 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: That would probably work. |
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| 21:54.58 | ShapeShifter499 | peterrooney: how do I run cron as a user not root? |
| 21:55.47 | Brigo | ShapeShifter499: man crontab |
| 21:56.59 | RoyK | man 5 crontab |
| 21:57.07 | RoyK | erm |
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| 21:57.28 | ShapeShifter499 | ok I got that |
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| 21:58.14 | ShapeShifter499 | 644 should be fine if I don't want anyone else being able to edit this script right? |
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| 22:01.01 | RoyK | ShapeShifter499: yes |
| 22:01.26 | ShapeShifter499 | RoyK: do you think it matters where I leave this script? |
| 22:01.39 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm just going to put it in my home directory |
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| 22:02.06 | RoyK | ShapeShifter499: generally a cronjob shouldn't be run from a homedir |
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| 22:02.26 | RoyK | ShapeShifter499: put it under /usr/local/bin/ or something - homedirs are for data |
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| 22:08.18 | roboman2444 | ok thats odd |
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| 22:08.30 | roboman2444 | chromium wont adblock youtube ads now |
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| 22:12.00 | ShapeShifter499 | RoyK: ok I moved my script and to test I could still use it I get a permission denied error now |
| 22:12.14 | ShapeShifter499 | bash: /usr/local/bin/bluetoothInit: Permission denied |
| 22:12.23 | RoyK | ls -l on that |
| 22:12.29 | ShapeShifter499 | chmod 644 and chown user:user didn't help |
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| 22:12.55 | RoyK | pastebin the crontab entry and the script |
| 22:13.06 | ShapeShifter499 | RoyK: -rw-r--r-- 1 lance lance 447 Feb 19 13:35 /usr/local/bin/bluetoothInit |
| 22:13.18 | ShapeShifter499 | RoyK: one sec |
| 22:13.25 | RoyK | erm |
| 22:13.32 | RoyK | you can't run a script without +x |
| 22:13.39 | RoyK | chmod 755 |
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| 22:14.20 | ShapeShifter499 | RoyK: oh right, chmod +x worked |
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| 22:14.24 | ShapeShifter499 | >.< |
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| 22:15.59 | kRush | <RoyK> homedirs are for data << that's just silly |
| 22:16.36 | ShapeShifter499 | RoyK: this is my only entry in crontab (crontab -u lance -e) @reboot * * 1 /usr/local/bin/bluetoothInit |
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| 22:16.53 | RoyK | kRush: no, it's not |
| 22:17.03 | ShapeShifter499 | RoyK: should be fine right? |
| 22:17.22 | RoyK | ShapeShifter499: did you chmod 755 that file? |
| 22:17.37 | ShapeShifter499 | RoyK: I just added chmod +x |
| 22:17.45 | RoyK | ok, should do |
| 22:17.56 | hockmeister | any package maintainers on here? |
| 22:18.24 | jordanm | !tell hockmeister about anyone |
| 22:18.31 | ShapeShifter499 | RoyK: I get this error now "/tmp/crontab.LonM8n/crontab":22: bad command errors in crontab file, can't install. |
| 22:19.01 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: line 22 is the probably location of the problem. |
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| 22:19.09 | RoyK | @reboot doesn't take things like * * 1 |
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| 22:19.15 | RoyK | @reboot means at reboot |
| 22:19.18 | hockmeister | looking for some advise in regards to managing system user/group, in maintainer scripts, that is shared between multiple services/packages. |
| 22:19.20 | RoyK | man 5 crontab |
| 22:19.21 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: Make sure you use the full path for everything. |
| 22:19.43 | ShapeShifter499 | RoyK: yes I dropped those extra things and everything seems to have worked fine |
| 22:19.46 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins: I did |
| 22:20.20 | RoyK | ShapeShifter499: is this to run periodically or only at reboot? |
| 22:20.24 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm going to reboot, if bluetooth audio does not work after reboot then I did something wrong |
| 22:20.27 | hockmeister | I've got one software project that creates about a dozen packages for individual services (upstart jobs). I want to run them as all the same user. What's would be a good approach to managing the user account in the maintainer scripts? |
| 22:20.36 | ShapeShifter499 | RoyK: supposed to run at every boot |
| 22:20.54 | RoyK | then @reboot should suffice |
| 22:21.04 | hockmeister | Note, I don't necessarily want to remove the user account unless all of these services are uninstalled. If only one is left installed, then the account shouldn't be deleted. |
| 22:21.09 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: Want to paste line 22 here just for fun? |
| 22:21.11 | ShapeShifter499 | RoyK: jhutchins brb |
| 22:21.33 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins: my new line is @reboot /usr/local/bin/bluetoothInit |
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| 22:22.19 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins: RoyK I'm going to reboot to test, brb |
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| 22:22.52 | centrx | hockmeister, Try on OFTC in #debian-mentors |
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| 22:23.10 | DammitJim | is there a way to tell logrotate to start a new log file if the current file is a certain size? |
| 22:23.18 | larks | what's the opinion for putting /var/ on a hhd cs ssd when you have both? |
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| 22:25.47 | Brigo | DammitJim: size |
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| 22:26.04 | Brody_ | hi, im a nooby. installing debian for the first time onto an old machine using DVD. The failure message im getting half way through the installation is 'Grub-pc package failed to insall into /target/ Without the grub boot loader the installed system will not boot.' |
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| 22:26.56 | Brody_ | Using google there are hins that grub might be trying to install onto the wrong drive and needs to be manually redirected into the correct one. |
| 22:27.34 | Brody_ | for example http://mitreasorin.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/grub-installation-failed-grub-pc.html and post 30 in http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=7024&p=2 |
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| 22:28.16 | Brody_ | but i dont have the technical skill to follow these guides. can someone help me? i have used a shell before but limited experiece |
| 22:28.58 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins: RoyK didn't work |
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| 22:29.22 | DammitJim | I guess there is nothing I can do about the fact that what I am logging is producing a lot of entries and the hard drive filled up quickly |
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| 22:29.29 | DammitJim | I have 3 log files of 23GB each |
| 22:29.37 | DammitJim | local2, syslog, and messages |
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| 22:29.44 | RoyK | ShapeShifter499: sorry - too late now - please ask around |
| 22:29.52 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: Does it work if you run the script manually? |
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| 22:30.29 | Brigo | DammitJim: do you need the logs? or do you delete them? |
| 22:30.47 | DammitJim | well, in this case, it seems important and I'm going to have to review them |
| 22:30.55 | DammitJim | local2 is getting stuff from our firewall |
| 22:31.03 | jhutchins | Brody_: Does the md5sum of the iso file match the sum on the server you downloaded from? Does the DVD match (or did it verify when you burned it)? |
| 22:31.33 | Brody_ | jhutchins i used jigdo to download it and it verified etc properly |
| 22:31.41 | Brigo | DammitJim: then you need more disk space |
| 22:31.50 | DammitJim | lol |
| 22:31.53 | DammitJim | didn't expect it |
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| 22:32.05 | DammitJim | it's weird, though... it's like the one log filled up because of the other |
| 22:32.10 | Brigo | DammitJim: you can rotate logs hourly, if you want, but the logs will be there ... |
| 22:32.13 | jhutchins | Brody_: Which image? |
| 22:32.43 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Did you know that rsyslog can forward the logs to another server (with more disk space)? |
| 22:32.52 | Brody_ | it was i386 DVD-1 i can get the link if you want? |
| 22:33.05 | DammitJim | jhutchins, I'm already forwarding the logs from another source. Yes, sir, I knew that |
| 22:33.09 | jhutchins | Brody_: Sure, because the file should be there if the disk is good. |
| 22:33.12 | DammitJim | I just didn't expect to get that much logged |
| 22:33.41 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Once you figure out what it's telling you you can probably fix it or tune it down a bit. |
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| 22:33.51 | Brigo | DammitJim: you can rotate hourly and compress them ... |
| 22:34.00 | DammitJim | yeah, I need to forward these logs to another engineer |
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| 22:34.08 | DammitJim | the compression piece, I think I need to add |
| 22:34.35 | DammitJim | I edited the /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog file and added the entry for local2 |
| 22:34.50 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins: I noticed a typo and after I fixed it it gave me a error about to many arguments with the if line http://paste.debian.net/82973/ |
| 22:35.16 | DammitJim | ugh, I messed up doing tar -cvzf local2.log.1 local2.tar.gz |
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| 22:35.24 | DammitJim | it destroyed the file |
| 22:35.26 | DammitJim | :( |
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| 22:35.41 | Brody_ | jhutchins it was DVD-1 from this page http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/jigdo-dvd/ |
| 22:36.13 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins: it should be "if $blueTest == nothing then blueEnable else do nothing" |
| 22:36.25 | ShapeShifter499 | *$blueEnable |
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| 22:36.52 | Brigo | DammitJim: Dammit, Jim |
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| 22:38.47 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: I'm not good about tests, but I think the content of blueTest will be the output of grep, not the exit status. |
| 22:39.27 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: If you put the test instead of the value in the if brackets that might work, but again, that's a weak spot of mine. |
| 22:39.55 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: #bash might have some suggestions, but they're quite harsh and pedantic. Good, but rough. |
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| 22:41.34 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins: alright I'll ask over at #bash |
| 22:41.38 | rryoumaa | also a jerk. ShapeShifter499 you need if test and = not == and put quotes around the var |
| 22:41.40 | Brigo | ShapeShifter499: blueTest="pactl list | grep -i module-bluetooth-discover" ??? |
| 22:41.56 | foul_owl | Hi folks, two fresh installs of Jessie. One of them allows me to install the package "virtualbox", the other states: Package virtualbox is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 22:42.03 | Brigo | ShapeShifter499: is wiht 'comand' or $(command) |
| 22:42.10 | foul_owl | installing via apt-get |
| 22:42.16 | DammitJim | I have the compress entry under local2 |
| 22:42.23 | DammitJim | but it isn't compressing the file? |
| 22:42.23 | foul_owl | both have contrib and non-free enabled |
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| 22:42.52 | ShapeShifter499 | Brigo: blueTest should be the output of that command |
| 22:43.31 | ShapeShifter499 | Brigo: if it has no output then preform blueEnable otherwise it is enabled and do nothing |
| 22:43.55 | Brigo | ShapeShifter499: i know, "command" executes nothing |
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| 22:45.05 | ShapeShifter499 | Brigo: if it is enabled the command outputs on my machine "Name: module-bluetooth-discover" |
| 22:45.21 | ShapeShifter499 | Brigo: otherwise it is just blank |
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| 22:47.11 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: so if equal null then execute else exit. |
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| 22:48.19 | Brigo | ShapeShifter499: look at man bash line 1574 for undestanding what i mind. |
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| 22:51.05 | ShapeShifter499 | Brigo: the "Case modification" section? |
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| 22:52.51 | jareddlc | sup guys |
| 22:53.31 | Brigo | ShapeShifter499: Command Substitution |
| 22:53.55 | Brigo | ShapeShifter499: example: a="ls"; echo $a |
| 22:53.56 | Brigo | ls |
| 22:54.03 | Brigo | a=$(ls); echo $a |
| 22:54.15 | jareddlc | im having some trouble with creating a deb file and i wanted to see if someone could help out |
| 22:54.19 | Brigo | lee.sh script.sh |
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| 22:54.55 | jareddlc | particularly, moving ssh keys to a folder in /etc/projectName/ |
| 22:55.09 | Brigo | ShapeShifter499: add and echo $blueTest after line 3 |
| 22:55.11 | jareddlc | the folder gets created, and i see other files i moved their, but they keys are not tere |
| 22:55.15 | ShapeShifter499 | Brigo: so blueTest=$(pactl list | grep -i module-bluetooth-discover) |
| 22:55.36 | Brigo | ShapeShifter499: yes. |
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| 22:57.23 | Brody_ | Can someone please help explain to me what the instructions in "/msg dpkg fixmbr" mean please? I am halfway through installing debian, and need to get GRUB to install correctly but it might be installing to wrong drive. I dont understand the second step, mount your root filesystem, because im not sure what my root filesystem is. as in i dont know its name or how to find out what it should be |
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| 22:58.16 | Brody_ | i am uber noob yes :) |
| 22:58.46 | Brigo | Brody_: the problem is this /dev/whatever |
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| 22:58.55 | Brigo | if you have only debian should be sda1 |
| 22:59.16 | giorgionono | hi, what do you tkink is the best option for stability and speed debian live xfce or crunchbang + xfce? |
| 22:59.26 | Brigo | Brody_: try it: mount -t ext2 /dev/hda1 /target |
| 22:59.48 | ShapeShifter499 | Brigo: that echo line I added to line 3 does output "Name: module-bluetooth-discover" but I still get "/usr/local/bin/bluetoothInit: line 6: [: too many arguments" |
| 23:00.12 | ShapeShifter499 | Brigo: that means that it's already enabled and nothing more should be done |
| 23:00.14 | Brody_ | brigo i believe it can be either sda or sde or sda-1 etc yeah. i am installing only 1 partition and only linux, not dual booting |
| 23:00.48 | Brigo | ShapeShifter499: you are trying to compare to words: Name: and module-bluetooth-discover |
| 23:01.06 | Brigo | ShapeShifter499: you need to make all this one workr: add " :-) |
| 23:01.25 | Brigo | [ "$blueTest" == 0 ] |
| 23:01.38 | jareddlc | if anyone can help me out with some deb building questions please let me know thx! |
| 23:02.44 | Brigo | ShapeShifter499: it is better [ -z "$blueTest" ] (man test) |
| 23:03.13 | Brigo | Brody_: so try to mount it |
| 23:03.58 | Brigo | mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /target |
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| 23:05.03 | Brody_ | brigo failed: Device or resource busy |
| 23:05.28 | ShapeShifter499 | Brigo: alright, this is my updated version http://paste.debian.net/82975/ Testing it manually, the script seems to work. |
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| 23:05.40 | Brigo | Brody_: test if /target is already mounted: ls /target |
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| 23:06.11 | Brigo | ShapeShifter499: it looks better :-) |
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| 23:10.28 | Brody_ | brigo it gives a list of folder names i think, for example bin, etc, lib, mnt, root, selinux. is there a command to get a readout that tells me something like 'sda = blah blah, sde = blahblah2' |
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| 23:10.59 | buu | Brody_: you mean like 'mount' ? |
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| 23:11.12 | Brigo | Brody_: so your disk are already mounted |
| 23:11.20 | ShapeShifter499 | Brigo: I'm going to reboot, if my bluetooth audio doesn't work |
| 23:11.25 | Brody_ | right |
| 23:11.40 | ShapeShifter499 | Bring if it doesn't work I know I screwed up |
| 23:11.46 | ShapeShifter499 | brb |
| 23:11.50 | Brigo | ShapeShifter499: good look :-) |
| 23:11.54 | Brigo | luck |
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| 23:12.47 | Brigo | Brody_: now you can go on with the guide |
| 23:13.02 | Brigo | just copy&paste the next few commands |
| 23:13.12 | Brody_ | brigo are you saying that sda1 is alrady mounted? so i shall move onto the next step in dpkg |
| 23:13.14 | Brody_ | ah yes |
| 23:13.45 | Brigo | Brody_: i dont know if is sda1 |
| 23:13.58 | Brigo | Brody_: try mount (without parameters) |
| 23:14.18 | Brigo | i search for a line with /target |
| 23:14.38 | Brody_ | brigo so just 'mount' on its own? |
| 23:14.52 | Brigo | yes |
| 23:15.07 | Brigo | the command mount will show the mounted filesystems |
| 23:15.34 | Brody_ | brigo yep sda1 awesome |
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| 23:16.06 | Brigo | Brody_: :-) |
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| 23:17.03 | Brody_ | brigo so now im typing 'mount --bind /dev /target/dev' |
| 23:17.51 | Brigo | Brody_: yes |
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| 23:19.01 | Brigo | Brody_: without '' |
| 23:19.09 | Brigo | Brody_: better :) |
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| 23:21.37 | Brody_ | brigo yea :) ok i did that step and no readout. then i did the next line 'mount -t proc none /target/proc' and the readout is the same as before, failed: Device or resource busy |
| 23:22.00 | Brody_ | go onto next step anyway? |
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| 23:22.38 | Brigo | Brody_: is there something mounted in /target/proc ??? |
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| 23:23.08 | Brody_ | brigo remind me how would one check this? |
| 23:23.15 | Brigo | check mount again |
| 23:23.23 | Brigo | and search for /target/proc |
| 23:24.36 | Brody_ | brigo 'none on /proc type proc' |
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| 23:24.46 | Brigo | so you can go on |
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| 23:27.30 | Brody_ | brigo ok done, i get no readout after entering 'mount -t sysfs none /target/sys' the guide is on about chrooting next. hmm |
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| 23:27.52 | Brigo | Brody_: chroot /target |
| 23:28.10 | Brody_ | brigo done |
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| 23:28.50 | Brigo | update-grub |
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| 23:29.10 | denosmacedo | ola |
| 23:29.12 | denosmacedo | alguem? |
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| 23:29.19 | Brigo | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 23:29.44 | denosmacedo | pessoal |
| 23:29.47 | denosmacedo | tow com uma duvida |
| 23:29.48 | Brody_ | brigo ah i see the && means new line ok cool |
| 23:29.54 | denosmacedo | que tah me matando |
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| 23:29.58 | Brigo | Brody_: no |
| 23:30.17 | denosmacedo | tenho um adaptador usb/wifi wbn 240 (intelbras) Pelo o que eu pesquise seu chipset eh RT3070L... Apesar disso, eu fiz com que o SO reconhece o dispositivo instalando (apt-get install firmware-atheros)... Estou tentando transformar o computador em um roteador no entanto quando vou inicializar o servico ele reclama: "invalide/unknow driver ath9k_htc"... Obviamente foi esse o driver que eu configurei no hostapd.conf (driver=ath9 |
| 23:30.33 | Brigo | mind if the previus command finally ok then execute the next one. |
| 23:31.23 | Brigo | denosmacedo: this is the english channel |
| 23:31.29 | themill | !br |
| 23:31.30 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:31.40 | denosmacedo | sorry |
| 23:31.44 | denosmacedo | thanks! :) |
| 23:31.50 | Brody_ | brigo the first command failed i think. '/bin/sh: update-grub: not found' |
| 23:32.28 | Brigo | Brody_: /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 23:33.25 | Brody_ | brigo this gives the same readout. the machine is not on the internet if that matters |
| 23:34.05 | Brigo | Brody_: you need grub |
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| 23:34.53 | Brigo | Brody_: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/grub* |
| 23:34.53 | Brody_ | brigo is this trying to update from the web? |
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| 23:35.57 | Brody_ | brigo 'cannot access, no such file or directory |
| 23:36.10 | Brigo | cannot access? |
| 23:36.17 | denosmacedo_ | I have a usb adapter/wifi WBN 240 (intelbras) From what I search for your chipset is RT3070L ... Nevertheless, I did with the OS recognizes the device installing (apt-get install firmware-atheros) ... I'm trying make my computer a router, however when I start the service it complains: "invalidate / unknow ath9k_htc driver" ... Obviously it was the driver that I configured in hostapd.conf (driver ath9k_htc =) ... The most st |
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| 23:36.35 | denosmacedo_ | the driver eh listed ath9k_htc... can someone help me? I do not know what else to do |
| 23:36.38 | Brigo | Brody_: did you use a diferent partition for /usr ? |
| 23:37.08 | denosmacedo_ | no |
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| 23:38.18 | Brody_ | brigo was the * meant to be in there? erm i havent told it to do any partitions or anything. i havent fiddled with anything concerning /usr either |
| 23:40.21 | Brigo | what * ?? |
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| 23:41.15 | Brigo | denysonique: as far as i know hostapd dont support ath9k_htc driver |
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| 23:41.36 | Brigo | denysonique: sorry, not for you. |
| 23:41.39 | Brody_ | brigo ah i typed a * at the end of grub cus you did above in the ls /var/cache/apt/archives/grub line. redo without the * then i guess |
| 23:42.13 | Brigo | Brody_: ah, that is for list all the files starting for grub |
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| 23:42.27 | Brigo | try apt-get install grub-pc |
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| 23:47.58 | Brody_ | brigo package has no installation candidate. btw this is the same message ive seen earlier |
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| 23:48.51 | wols_ | denysonique: hostapd works fine with ath9k_htc. |
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| 23:48.55 | wols_ | I used it before |
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| 23:50.00 | Brigo | Brody_: so you must run the installer again and install grub-pc package *in the disk* |
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| 23:50.38 | larks | hey, a friend of mine is trying to install debian and the installer is stalling at scanning the cd |
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| 23:50.45 | wols_ | !fixgrub |
| 23:50.45 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
| 23:50.54 | wols_ | larks: how did your friend create the install medium? |
| 23:50.57 | Brigo | Brody_: and now i have to go to sleep. Sorry. See you tomorrow |
| 23:51.12 | Brody_ | brigo i dont fully understand what you mean by that. i have to click abort installation right? then |
| 23:51.20 | Brody_ | brigo thankyou very very much |
| 23:51.23 | Brigo | no, install grub |
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| 23:51.43 | Brigo | grub is not installed in your system. |
| 23:51.45 | wols_ | Brigo: is grub installed? dpkg -l grub|grep ^ii ? |
| 23:51.46 | larks | he downloaded the ISO and burned it, the md5sum on the iso is right and he did the check cd option and both are fine |
| 23:51.57 | Brigo | wols_: ask Brody_ :) |
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| 23:52.16 | wols_ | larks: what mainboard/cd controller? |
| 23:52.41 | Brody_ | brigo thanks for helping me so much its really appreciated heh |
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| 23:53.24 | larks | ok.. in the TUI installer, it fails to chroot... |
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| 23:54.46 | larks | hhrrrmmm |
| 23:54.49 | Brigo | Brody_: you are wellcome :-) |
| 23:54.58 | larks | I'm not sure where to start myself `~ |
| 23:54.59 | larks | ` |
| 23:55.42 | themill | larks: are you working off a CD or a USB stick here? |
| 23:56.21 | larks | he's working off a cdrom |
| 23:56.44 | larks | I should just him to join the channel rather than me being the go between |
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| 23:59.02 | Brody_ | wols brigo has been helping me but is going to bed now i wonder could you help me out now instead? i am a nooby though to be sure. |
| 23:59.58 | Brigo | Brody_: go on with the install, then try to execute update-grub again |
