| 00:00.29 | Brody_ | brigo ah so u mean finish the install without grub? |
| 00:01.11 | Brigo | yes, and then execute update-grub and grub-install /dev/hda (without the 1) |
| 00:01.20 | Brigo | /dev/sda, sorry |
| 00:01.26 | Brody_ | awesome |
| 00:01.44 | Brigo | Brody_: bye, and good luck |
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| 00:01.59 | GeorgeW | Hi |
| 00:02.09 | GeorgeW | How do I remove the "Linux vps21221 2.6.32-042stab084.14 #1 SMP Mon Dec 16 18:16:56 MSK 2013 x86_64" when I login? |
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| 00:03.38 | themill | dpkg: tell GeorgeW about motd |
| 00:03.56 | GeorgeW | thanks the |
| 00:03.57 | GeorgeW | themill, |
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| 00:06.26 | Brody_ | ok the installation has completed (but without grub) and it rebooted and the DVD is not in the drive anymore. It has stopped advancing after the line Verifying DMI pool data . . . |
| 00:07.14 | Brody_ | I need to try to run update-grub at some point and it needs to read from the DVD that is not in the drive to install grub. can anyone help me please? |
| 00:07.21 | Nik05 | why without grub? |
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| 00:07.32 | Brody_ | nik05 it wouldt work |
| 00:07.53 | GeorgeW | themill, |
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| 00:08.05 | GeorgeW | the script I'm using has ip=`ifconfig eth0 |
| 00:08.08 | GeorgeW | but it's not displaying my ip |
| 00:08.10 | GeorgeW | so I assume |
| 00:08.13 | GeorgeW | that i'm not using eth0? |
| 00:08.16 | GeorgeW | how can I see what I'm using |
| 00:08.29 | GeorgeW | ip=`ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | awk -F: '{print $2}' | awk '{print $1}'` |
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| 00:08.31 | GeorgeW | this is the whole command |
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| 00:08.45 | themill | (please don't hit enter after every 4 words, it makes you much harder to follow) |
| 00:08.49 | GeorgeW | sorry! |
| 00:09.15 | themill | GeorgeW: where is this script? when is it being run? |
| 00:09.22 | GeorgeW | http://oitibs.com/debian-wheezy-dynamic-motd/ |
| 00:09.29 | GeorgeW | upon logging in themill |
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| 00:12.22 | GeorgeW | eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
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| 00:12.32 | themill | GeorgeW: have a look at the output of "ip" or "ifconfig". |
| 00:12.43 | GeorgeW | yeah I did ifconfig -a |
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| 00:13.12 | GeorgeW | Link encap:UNSPEC |
| 00:13.14 | GeorgeW | is this it themill? |
| 00:13.27 | foul_owl | Is there any way to see if my system is using 1.5V or 1.35V ram? |
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| 00:16.06 | Nik05 | GeorgeW use ip |
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| 00:16.17 | Nik05 | the program 'ip' |
| 00:16.23 | GeorgeW | ip -a? |
| 00:16.24 | GeorgeW | what parameter? |
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| 00:17.01 | Nik05 | man ip |
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| 00:19.07 | Brody_ | hmm i should probably go to bed now really myself actually. but i want to just check something. now that the installation has completed (although without grub) have i got to a safe checkpoint as it were. i wont be losing lots of work right? |
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| 00:22.19 | Lars_G | Ok, odd question... how is dkms or hand moduel compiling expected to work, if arch specific linux-headers files include very few or no files in /include, which is what gets linked to from /lib/modules/uname-r/build ?? |
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| 00:22.41 | redcheckers | hi! i used the debian net-install image to reinstall debian, but after succesfully installing and booting, i don't seem to be able to figure out how to turn on wlan0, which i normally would configure with wpa_supplicant is there an up to date guide i can follow? |
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| 00:23.09 | abrotman | !tell redcheckers about wpa |
| 00:23.22 | Lars_G | For example, it's not been possible for me to compile the nvidia kernel module so far... I'm thinking on doing a cp -s from -common to -amd64 to "combine" both sets of include into a "complete" one in the -amd64 one. |
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| 00:23.35 | redcheckers | abrotman: i have the wpa config file from before, my problem seems to be that my wlan0 won't start |
| 00:23.50 | cokea | Hey guys! Hope I'm not disturbing... |
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| 00:24.02 | Lars_G | redcheckers: Make sure it's detected and working first, does the wlan0 even show with an "ifconfig -a" ? |
| 00:24.13 | redcheckers | Lars_G: it does show in ifconfig -a |
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| 00:24.17 | cokea | Lars_G: Could you assist me in some way? |
| 00:24.23 | cokea | My question is a bit delicate |
| 00:24.33 | redcheckers | but when i try to ifup wlan0, i get told that it's an unknown interface wlan0=wlan0 |
| 00:24.41 | bazhang | !ops | cokea |
| 00:24.42 | Lars_G | cokea: It seems you're looking first to ask abotu asking, and then for private help, that's pretty unusual. |
| 00:24.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: bazhang complains about: | cokea |
| 00:24.57 | redcheckers | Lars_G: also, when i look in /etc/network/interfaces, it lists 'auto wlan0 ' and 'wlan0 inet dhcp' |
| 00:24.59 | cokea | Right. One second. |
| 00:25.11 | jareddlc | hey anyone know how to do a timestamp is debian/changelog for a debian package? |
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| 00:25.21 | Lars_G | redcheckers: Ok, so it does work.... you should check some about networkmanager, it'll most probably be the tool you'll use for this with any modern install |
| 00:25.26 | themill | thanks, bazhang |
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| 00:25.37 | Lars_G | themill: Repeat offender? that was strange |
| 00:25.44 | themill | Lars_G: yes |
| 00:25.51 | redcheckers | Lars_G: i don't have the 'desktop environment' from the install -- is there a command line version of the network manager? |
| 00:26.21 | Lars_G | redcheckers: Not one that'll do all you need it to do, without delving into config files.... nm-tool is that program |
| 00:26.27 | Okee | I am having trouble getting the splix printer driver to work, and not really sure what the problem is. I have a Samsung Monochrome laser printer, Model ML-2510, and I am running Debian Stable Linux. I do not receive any error messages, and the driver selection shows one printer: generic printer driver. |
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| 00:26.38 | Okee | Any idea what the problem is? |
| 00:26.39 | redcheckers | Lars_G: nm-tool, ok, ill try to download that over from this liveusb image |
| 00:26.48 | Lars_G | redcheckers: If this will be cli only, and a few sites only, maybe going back from NM to traditional mode might benefit you |
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| 00:27.12 | redcheckers | Lars_G: i have only 2 wifi access points it will connect too. |
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| 00:27.45 | Lars_G | redcheckers: Yes, and you already have a wpa_supplicant file you can use, personally I'd switch back from NM. |
| 00:27.52 | dondelelcaro | redcheckers: if you're just doing wifi, it's often easier just to bring the interface up and manage the config in wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 00:27.55 | Lars_G | redcheckers: I don't have a good browser handy right now, to find an url fro you, sorry |
| 00:28.05 | redcheckers | dondelelcaro: yes, that would be perfect, if i can get the interface up |
| 00:28.39 | jareddlc | anyone? how to i add a timestamp to a debian/changelog file? |
| 00:28.45 | dondelelcaro | jareddlc: use dhc |
| 00:28.48 | dondelelcaro | s/dhc/dch/ |
| 00:28.50 | jareddlc | inside the log? |
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| 00:29.22 | Lars_G | redcheckers: Check... /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf specially the managed= line... for starters. |
| 00:29.22 | dondelelcaro | redcheckers: yeah, it's pretty easy; just http://paste.debian.net/82992/ or similar |
| 00:29.33 | dondelelcaro | redcheckers: and then stop network manager |
| 00:29.46 | redcheckers | Lars_G: i don't have an /etc/NetworkManager |
| 00:30.05 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you don't want to use network manager; if you do, I'm not the right person to ask |
| 00:30.09 | Lars_G | redcheckers: Do you have NM at all? /etc/init.d/network-manager ? |
| 00:30.14 | redcheckers | Lars_G: nope |
| 00:30.30 | Lars_G | dpkg -l network-manager ? |
| 00:30.31 | dpkg | No packages found matching network-manager |
| 00:30.41 | Lars_G | dpkg: Not talking to you bot. |
| 00:30.42 | dpkg | Lars_G: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 00:31.14 | Lars_G | redcheckers: Ok seems you don't have NM. that's good.... why is it not using wpa supplicant then? hmmm |
| 00:31.19 | str3 | have you tried turning it off and on |
| 00:31.29 | themill | redcheckers: I'm assuming you've verified whether your card needs firmware and have installed it if necessary? |
| 00:31.33 | dondelelcaro | redcheckers: what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:31.53 | redcheckers | dondelelcaro: i have entries for lo, eth0, and wlan0 |
| 00:31.55 | Lars_G | redcheckers: Is the service being started? "service wpa-supplicant restart" I think, check the rigth name in /etc/init.d I don't use it here, sorry |
| 00:32.01 | dondelelcaro | redcheckers: what does the wlan0 entry look like? |
| 00:32.05 | redcheckers | Lars_G: ah, i havent tried that yet, no |
| 00:32.20 | redcheckers | dondelelcaro: auto wlan0, next line reads , wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 00:32.21 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: you don't need to start wpa-supplicant that way; it gets started by ifupdown |
| 00:32.31 | dondelelcaro | redcheckers: ok; that's part of the problem |
| 00:32.32 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro: Ok. sorry |
| 00:33.02 | Lars_G | Btw any tips for me anyone? please? I'll try to repeat |
| 00:33.05 | dondelelcaro | redcheckers: do you have a working web browser? the paste url I sent to you earlier has what you need in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:33.33 | Lars_G | Ok, odd question... how is dkms or hand module compiling expected to work, if arch specific linux-headers files include very few or no files in /include, which is what gets linked to from /lib/modules/uname-r/build ?? |
| 00:33.37 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: most of the files are in the common header package, since they're not architecture specific |
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| 00:33.41 | redcheckers | dondelelcaro: dondelelcaro ok ill give that a try, thanks |
| 00:34.03 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro: Yes but then if I use the common package, I'm missing version.h ... which is on the arch headers package... |
| 00:34.15 | Lars_G | so each -headers package directory is incomplete for building stuff. |
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| 00:34.44 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: you need both the common *and* the arch specific package |
| 00:34.51 | Lars_G | So I'm wondering if I have to cp -s one onto the other to make a complete one. |
| 00:35.04 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: no, you don't |
| 00:35.06 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro: I have both... I can't tell this module build to use TWO source directories. |
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| 00:35.22 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: that's why the architecture specific package has MAKEARGS := -C /usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-3-common O=/usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-3-amd64 |
| 00:35.35 | Lars_G | if I use the hmmmm |
| 00:36.01 | str3 | what the piss is going on with jessie stream |
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| 00:36.13 | abrotman | str3: please be more specific |
| 00:36.15 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: and assuming you have an appropriate dkms.conf, dkms should just DTRT |
| 00:36.20 | str3 | dist upgrade just erased ristretto among others |
| 00:36.35 | str3 | autoremove rather |
| 00:36.47 | abrotman | Which is it? |
| 00:37.06 | Lars_G | hmmmm |
| 00:37.11 | abrotman | So perhaps the metapackage no longer depended on it, you can reinstall it |
| 00:37.13 | dondelelcaro | str3: probably because it's no longer depended or recommended by anything you've manually installed... but we'd kind of need the complete details to answer your question |
| 00:37.28 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro: Then the nvidia kernel module installer and dkms version are both broken.... which is odd, as this has been working with similar kernels... |
| 00:37.32 | Lars_G | investigates deepr |
| 00:37.44 | str3 | well, dist-upgrade/update claimed xfce4-* was no longer needed |
| 00:37.52 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: could be... I'm no expert in this area |
| 00:38.00 | str3 | im checking the logs, nothing makes sense so far |
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| 00:38.16 | dondelelcaro | (I've basically stopped using anything which requires dkms; most of my knowledge is getting really out of date) |
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| 00:39.31 | str3 | it seems to be related to xserver-* upgrades that were in unstable and now moved to testing |
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| 00:58.03 | rainfyre | what os/quit |
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| 01:17.38 | Imbue | is there a way to get backwards paging to work with man? |
| 01:17.55 | koell | Imbue: up and down keys? |
| 01:18.22 | Imbue | koell: up and down does nothing. man uses `more` by default which does not support backwards paging on pipes |
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| 01:18.27 | Imbue | perhaps I have to set a different pager? |
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| 01:21.09 | koell | Imbue: im always using the up and down keys on man page. |
| 01:21.27 | gandaliter | Imbue: Why not use less instead of more? |
| 01:22.14 | Imbue | I will install it and see. :) |
| 01:22.44 | Imbue | ah, here we go. `less` uses up and down keys so it is possible to go back. |
| 01:22.56 | Imbue | thanks |
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| 01:23.18 | gandaliter | Imbue: No problem |
| 01:23.18 | Imbue | it seems that `less` is overall a bit better :P |
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| 01:23.51 | b1eedr | less is better |
| 01:23.52 | gandaliter | Imbue: I think that's pretty much the idea |
| 01:24.13 | Imbue | this is some sort of historical quirk? that `more` is an older tool? |
| 01:24.21 | Imbue | or just designed to be more lightweight? |
| 01:25.11 | gandaliter | Imbue: more is older. less was designed to be like more but allow backwards scrolling. |
| 01:25.24 | Imbue | I see. |
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| 01:26.55 | gandaliter | Imbue: I think there's one called most as well, which supports left and right scrolling |
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| 01:27.42 | rhizome | is there a decent writeup of contemporary laptops that are debian friendly? will pretty much any windows lappy work these days? |
| 01:29.14 | Arrowmaster | the only things that are iffy is network adapters |
| 01:29.23 | zykotick9 | rhizome: good luck, i don't have any such link. but, while most should work - they will not be supported equally. pay particular attention to wireless and graphics, is my suggestion. ideally, getting hardware supported by the default netinst would be good. |
| 01:29.31 | rhizome | yeah, i was thinking chipset stuff like wifi, bluetooth, maybe audio |
| 01:29.34 | gandaliter | rhizome: Secure Boot makes it a pain to install Linux I think |
| 01:29.58 | Imbue | intel graphics are the best supported, and on a laptop probably the best solution anyway IMO |
| 01:30.00 | arthurfiggis | rhizome: i would say a lot depends on the on-board video actually...nvidia and intel i've had great luck with under just about any distro, amd/ati not so much :( plus even the wheezy-backports "official" amd/ati drivers only support up to the 7000 line of cards, most laptops now have the 8000 line\ |
| 01:30.01 | Arrowmaster | if secureboot can be disabled then its a non issue |
| 01:30.16 | gandaliter | Arrowmaster: true |
| 01:30.20 | Imbue | the HD3000 and onwards are sufficient for anything you would want to do outside of gaming |
| 01:30.36 | rhizome | yeah, this is only for coding so video perf is no biggie |
| 01:30.55 | Imbue | rhizome: it is always nice to have proper screen compositing, smooth scrolling, that sort of stuff :P |
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| 01:31.37 | rhizome | well yeah. i suppose decent youtube means ok scrolling |
| 01:31.41 | Imbue | my intel graphics machines Just Work |
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| 01:31.54 | Imbue | radeon has been a nightmare and I've just given up on having a 'pretty' desktop |
| 01:32.21 | rhizome | yeah, ati appears to be falling off of late |
| 01:33.01 | Imbue | if you find such a page with updated linux laptop reviews or similar, please do share, I have been considering it myself |
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| 01:33.23 | Imbue | it would be nice to have a machine that needs zero nonfree |
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| 01:37.57 | rhizome | well there's only one of those that i know of and it was announced like last week :) |
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| 01:45.30 | zykotick9 | rhizome: ahhh, you're refering to a 100% libre machine (which is VERY rare). but there a quite a few that don't require non-free in debian (most of my EEE netbooks have 100% working hardware with a default debian install) |
| 01:45.38 | foureyes779 | Is thge Upstart & Sysvinit a PowerPC problem or is it common in Debian ? |
| 01:46.37 | centrx | foureyes779, Huh? |
| 01:47.05 | zykotick9 | rhizome: my lenovo T60.. not so much - non-free intel wireless :( |
| 01:47.34 | foureyes779 | centrx: When upgrading using aptitude it runs into upstart:PowerPC conflicts with Sysvinit:powerPC and scroll off the screen with that error until you CTRL-C it |
| 01:48.23 | centrx | foureyes779, Strange, I would uninstall upstart |
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| 01:50.15 | rhizome | acer seems to be OK |
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| 01:56.48 | foureyes779 | centrx: Upstart is not installed, but it is in the list to be installed with aptitude. Currently aptitude shows piA next to upstart |
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| 01:57.14 | centrx | foureyes779, weird, are you sure you're not using Ubuntu? |
| 01:57.41 | foureyes779 | centrx: lol, nope. |
| 01:58.15 | foureyes779 | I have a G4 with a dying CD drive, so it tookk a LONG time to get it through the install. |
| 01:59.15 | centrx | foureyes779, Can you deselect upstart in aptitude? |
| 01:59.26 | foureyes779 | I was finally able to install thee base system, and then got the WiFi to work so i could update |
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| 02:07.26 | centrx | is finally switching to Lindows |
| 02:07.46 | nightfly | Lindows SD? |
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| 02:37.59 | crankharder | lspci is showing me two SATA controllers. can i somehow figure out which controller each /dev/sd* is connected to? |
| 02:38.35 | crankharder | lspci output: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f2ba174f9536d9b36bce -- so, for example, is /dev/sda on 08:00.0 or 09:00.0? |
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| 02:49.15 | Guest38912 | I installed Debian to dual boot w/ windows. I need to wipe the whole hard drive now and I can't get the computer to recognize the windows install dvd. |
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| 02:50.08 | Guest38912 | I already set the computer to boot from cd/dvd first, but it right to the grub loader |
| 02:51.12 | epsilon | guess you need to press some F-Key during boot to select boot media |
| 02:51.33 | Guest38912 | I'm doing that, but it's not working. I already selected it to boot from cd/dvd |
| 02:51.49 | Guest38912 | It's crazy; this has never happened before. |
| 02:51.57 | centrx | crankharder, lsblk ? |
| 02:52.15 | epsilon | but if you want to wipe the disk entirely (realy null it), you can boot linux from disk and run shred on own disk (or delete first 512 bytes with dd) |
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| 02:52.34 | epsilon | it's hard way and linux may crash during execute, but hey... |
| 02:53.13 | Guest38912 | I'm just trying to put Windows back and wipe the hard drive so I can give my friend his computer back since he returned. |
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| 02:56.01 | centrx | Guest38912, That's not really a Debian issue. Your BIOS is what boots to the DVD. |
| 02:57.00 | Guest38912 | Okay, well this has never been a problem until I installed debian. |
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| 02:57.18 | Guest38912 | That's why I'm wondering if it's happened to anybody else and what they did to fix it. |
| 02:57.47 | jrock20041 | Just setup debian stable and seem to not be able to install virtualbox thru apt. Ideas? |
| 02:58.35 | zykotick9 | jrock20041: can you install anything? did you have network during install? |
| 02:58.50 | jrock20041 | I can install stuff yes |
| 02:59.02 | jrock20041 | I have a network connection |
| 02:59.03 | zykotick9 | jrock20041: ok, good luck then. |
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| 02:59.26 | jrock20041 | when I do apt-get install virtualbox, it errros cause its not in the repos |
| 02:59.50 | zykotick9 | jrock20041: it's in mine? |
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| 03:00.12 | jrock20041 | oh shoot, I meant jessie not stable |
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| 03:00.34 | zykotick9 | ahhh. that might explain it. i have no idea, don't use jessie. |
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| 03:01.05 | zykotick9 | s/don't use/i don't use/ <- just to be clear. |
| 03:01.31 | jrock20041 | lol |
| 03:01.35 | centrx | jrock20041, virtualbox was removed from testing distribution today. It will probably be back in testing in two days. |
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| 03:04.50 | jrock20041 | centrx: well that sucks as I need it now, lol |
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| 03:06.37 | centrx | jrock20041, You can get it from unstable |
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| 03:07.47 | riceandbeans | just as there are things like a2ensite, are there debian specific nginx commands? |
| 03:08.08 | riceandbeans | also, debian dropped the ball bad with choosing systemd |
| 03:08.28 | jrock20041 | centrx: I just downloaded the .run file from virtualbox and used that |
| 03:08.28 | riceandbeans | turned into a corporate sellout |
| 03:08.50 | centrx | jrock20041, It would be better to use the Debian package. |
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| 03:12.37 | jrock20041 | centrx: I would have to switch from jessie to unstable right? |
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| 03:13.02 | centrx | jrock20041, No, you just get that one package and its dependencies from unstable and then switch back |
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| 03:13.59 | riceandbeans | jrock20041: assuming you don't have a lot of dependencies and need to change a lot |
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| 03:17.49 | oxez | p3rror: something like this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/418896/how-to-redirect-output-to-a-file-and-stdout it was the first result on google |
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| 03:19.49 | p3rror | oxez, thanks |
| 03:20.07 | Elembis | My install of 7.04 in a VM failed because my laptop ran out of hard drive space. Now that I've moved the VM's dynamically-sized hard drive, can I resume the install from a shell in recovery mode? |
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| 03:23.25 | dvs | Elembis: probably not. |
| 03:24.55 | Elembis | Thanks, dvs. I'm going to try a reinstall without formatting, as described here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/94542/how-can-i-repair-my-installation |
| 03:25.05 | zykotick9 | jrock20041: binary mixing of packages will lead to tears... see <ssb> for the proper way to backport from unstable. |
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| 03:36.12 | Elembis | Reinstalling without formatting appears to be working. |
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| 03:37.12 | jrock20041 | the intel driver is installed |
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| 05:53.39 | mdim | ocassionally with Debian Wheezy 7.4 my mouse and keyboard freeze, and all I can do is to hard-reset my laptop. Has anyone else observed this behavior? |
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| 05:55.33 | NoirX | how can i start the install program while debian is installed |
| 05:56.38 | zykotick9 | NoirX: boot from install media... |
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| 05:57.12 | NoirX | zykotick9 ok |
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| 05:59.25 | uwjesq | mdim: Do the terminals freeze, too? Ctrl+Alt+F1 ... F2 ... etc. |
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| 06:01.18 | mdim | uwjesq: well, the thing is that the keyboard is frozen, so I can't tell |
| 06:01.40 | mdim | uwjesq: though I did try to do that and nothing happened |
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| 06:02.59 | uwjesq | mdim: So the coursor is still blinking? |
| 06:03.22 | uwjesq | mdim: Are you using the internal mouse and keyboard? |
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| 06:07.16 | mdim | uwjesq: yes, internal. I can't tell anymore if the cursor was blinking. But music kept on playing |
| 06:07.57 | mdim | so, the OS was alive in a way, it's just that the keyboard and mouse were "disconnected" |
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| 06:14.46 | uwjesq | mdim: Are there any pending updates that you can install, Sometimes that fixed odd behaviour for me. |
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| 06:15.44 | uwjesq | mdim: And sometimes it made them even worse. |
| 06:15.57 | mdim | uwjesq: :) No pending updates |
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| 06:16.46 | uwjesq | mdim: If you have another computer lying arround you can ssh to the notebook and have a look at the logs. |
| 06:17.16 | uwjesq | mdim: I'd try xorg logs and syslog. But there might be other points of interest. dmesg maybe. |
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| 06:17.34 | arnab | how to use cd command for a Dir which has space in it's name |
| 06:17.36 | zykotick9 | mdim: this doesn't help but - i had similar problems under wheezy when i was using gnome3. hope you find a solution. |
| 06:17.54 | uwjesq | arnab: Escape the space with \. |
| 06:18.07 | arnab | thnx :) |
| 06:18.08 | zykotick9 | arnab: two options 1 "use double quotes" or 2\ escape\ the\ spaces |
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| 06:18.51 | mdim | zykotick9: yeah, I use gnome3 too |
| 06:19.24 | arnab | you mean if I have a directory named 'book shop' I should say book/shop as pathway? |
| 06:19.33 | uwjesq | no |
| 06:19.39 | uwjesq | arnab book\ shop |
| 06:19.40 | zykotick9 | book\ shop |
| 06:19.57 | zykotick9 | arnab: notice the direction as well! |
| 06:20.04 | mdim | the backslash "escapes" the whitespace after it |
| 06:20.20 | arnab | wow! thnx!! |
| 06:21.11 | mdim | it's easier if you don't have file/directory names with whitespaces in them |
| 06:21.11 | cloromorpho | book?shop |
| 06:21.13 | cloromorpho | :p |
| 06:22.25 | arnab | YAA book shop :P |
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| 06:22.50 | arnab | what should I use instead of spaces thn admin? |
| 06:22.53 | zykotick9 | still has a space2underscore.sh in his ~/bin - though rarely uses it anymore |
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| 06:23.20 | freq | what's that zykotick9 |
| 06:23.38 | zykotick9 | freq: small script to swap spaces with underscores ;) |
| 06:23.55 | freq | thought so |
| 06:23.55 | arnab | :D sounds nice |
| 06:24.14 | freq | i've run into that where command line doesnt like spaces |
| 06:24.45 | zykotick9 | for i in * ; do mv "$i" `echo $i | tr ' ' '_'` ; done |
| 06:24.56 | themill | hands zykotick9 prename |
| 06:25.10 | arnab | zykotick9: what does that even mean! :o |
| 06:25.11 | zykotick9 | goes to research prename ;) |
| 06:25.23 | themill | prename 's/ /_/' * |
| 06:25.34 | zykotick9 | themill: nice, thanks! |
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| 07:07.24 | mepl | when I install nmap it requires 42MB of space, when I do --purge remove it removes 15MB... sooo guess why I am confused. |
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| 07:12.07 | Lunarnaut | Maybe it's not deleting with dependencies. Is there a option for that? I forget. |
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| 07:15.55 | zykotick9 | mepl: if you are using apt-get, try "apt-get autoremove" after. aptitude will do it in one shot. |
| 07:16.59 | zykotick9 | mepl: also, "apt-get purge foo" works these days |
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| 07:19.16 | jeremybab | I am trying to run the debian installer from a UEFI bootloader. I can get to the grub prompt, however, grub seems stuck in a virtual environment where the only file is (memdisk)/boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 07:33.09 | ronin | was there a quick way to create multiple directories to svn like something like this svn mkdir file:///dir/subdir[0-9] -m "initial" |
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| 07:35.04 | themill | ronin: {0..9} (assuming svn mkdir can accept multiple paths like that |
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| 07:35.21 | ronin | yeah |
| 07:35.22 | ronin | it does |
| 07:35.23 | ronin | :) |
| 07:35.28 | ronin | i just tested |
| 07:36.17 | mepl | svn? |
| 07:36.20 | mepl | *shrugs* |
| 07:36.51 | themill | it could be rcs. |
| 07:37.07 | mepl | Git |
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| 07:57.11 | jelly | offers themill a /g modifier to go with that s/// |
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| 07:57.57 | themill | ta |
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| 08:01.54 | makara | hi. My server isn't updating on `apt-get update`. It just hangs on 0% |
| 08:02.15 | makara | the sources.list file works fine on another server |
| 08:02.58 | centrx | makara, Try connecting to a different serveR? |
| 08:03.08 | bazhang | on ubuntu makara ? |
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| 08:03.57 | makara | bazhang, yes |
| 08:04.23 | bazhang | you just posted this in #ubuntu though |
| 08:05.01 | bazhang | perhaps you didnt see this is #debian |
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| 08:05.20 | makara | bazhang, so? |
| 08:05.43 | themill | makara: your ubuntu problem will be best solved in #ubuntu -- please keep ubuntu support in #ubuntu. Thanks! |
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| 08:06.03 | makara | now just a secon |
| 08:06.12 | makara | how do you know this is an Ubuntu problem? |
| 08:06.19 | ksuhku | !ubuntu |
| 08:06.20 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 08:06.36 | themill | makara: you said you were running ubuntu -- that makes it not a debian problem but an ubuntu problem. It's pretty simple. |
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| 08:08.16 | centrx | I am wondering how bazhang knew :) |
| 08:08.28 | makara | a double agent |
| 08:08.35 | centrx | oh I see you double posted |
| 08:08.39 | makara | or an open mind |
| 08:09.07 | makara | you can't expect a single channel to serve every issue of an entire distro |
| 08:09.17 | makara | i need help with debian package management |
| 08:09.29 | makara | there's no one in #dpkg or #apt-get |
| 08:09.33 | makara | so what are my options? |
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| 08:09.44 | themill | makara: ubuntu support is in #ubuntu. |
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| 08:11.16 | jelly | MACscr: there's ##Linux for miscellaneous linux distros. No channel for dpkg or apt that we know of, but such issues almost always end up being distro-specific anyway |
| 08:11.20 | jelly | erm. |
| 08:11.39 | jelly | oh well! |
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| 08:22.52 | pfote | OT: you guys know something that pings a remote machine, say, three times, averages and shoves the result into graphite/statsd? |
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| 08:25.07 | centrx | pfote, ping with some sed/awk tinkering and a pipe to graphite/statsd ? |
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| 08:25.58 | pfote | centrx: yeah i can built me something, just didnt want to reinvent the wheel :-) |
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| 08:26.22 | centrx | ping -q -c3 gets you halfway there :) |
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| 08:28.47 | centrx | pfote, ping -q -c3 google.com |tail -1 |cut -d '/' -f 5 |
| 08:29.12 | centrx | Unix shell very powerful! |
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| 08:33.32 | centrx | mepl "locale" |
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| 08:40.09 | cff | Where can I find a good MOTD message when someone logs in through SSH ? I remember seeing a MOTD that said something about responsibility and taking care, but I can't find it anywhere |
| 08:40.31 | cafuego | cff: Install the BOFH fortunes and dump one or tho of those to motd. |
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| 08:45.18 | zaggynl | gave up waiting for root device |
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| 09:05.01 | ashka | hey, I've been having a weird issue with a server, at some point ssh hangs on login at "Entering interactive session.", su hangs too, so I guess this is pam related, but I didn't find much informations about it. I've seen that it could've been caused by pam_motd so I tried disabling it, right now the issue doesn't appear but I had to reboot the server to get it working again |
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| 09:10.02 | bullgard4 | Is Telegram available for Debian "You have searched for packages that names contain telegram in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results." https://telegram.org/faq |
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| 09:16.51 | buzz_ | Hello gays |
| 09:17.18 | buzz_ | I have a couple of question about Debian |
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| 09:19.36 | babilen | buzz_: Just ask :) |
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| 09:20.25 | buzz_ | I have web and ftp server runing on debian 7 but i broke a lot of thing (pakages i think). There is a way to fix this thing without reinstallat Debian , because I dont want to reconfig this things (apache, php, ...)? Before 2 days ago i try to install something and server say libc6:i386 not installed, but im pretty shure that i have this package with x64 and i386 |
| 09:21.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell buzz_ -about bat |
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| 09:25.31 | zaggynl | the encryption during live cd install is broken, why is it included?? |
| 09:25.42 | zaggynl | it doesn't boot after a reboot |
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| 09:26.05 | flip214 | I had error messages on "apt-get update" for a week: "Hash Sum mismatch". Now I switched to a different mirror, and get them again ... |
| 09:26.20 | babilen | buzz_: We would require the information our bot told you about (you should have received a private message) to further debug your problem. Please paste it to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link. |
| 09:26.22 | flip214 | that is the at and de mirrors. is there something known broken for them? |
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| 09:27.30 | babilen | flip214: I use http.debian.net and do not encounter that at the moment. You might want to use that one too as it tries to select a "good" mirror automagically. Haven't tested .de. and .at., but also haven't heard that they are broken. |
| 09:28.11 | flip214 | babilen: thanks for the answer. |
| 09:28.22 | buzz_ | Here is the link : http://paste.debian.net/83062 |
| 09:28.24 | flip214 | I just tested another machine that uses the same server, and that went ok |
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| 09:28.47 | flip214 | so perhaps the program that does the check is broken, or hardware fault. |
| 09:29.14 | bullgard4 | flip214: I used the .de mirror last night without having any trouble whatsoever. |
| 09:29.39 | babilen | dpkg: bat |
| 09:29.39 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 09:30.56 | babilen | buzz_: ^^^ that is the information our bot sent you earlier. Please provide the actual output of the apt-get run you are having problems with along with your /etc/apt/sources.list and "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libc6" package. Also throw in "dpkg --print-architecture" and "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" |
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| 09:33.05 | flip214 | http://http.debian.net works for me, too |
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| 09:37.41 | buzz_ | Here is the requested output`s: http://paste.debian.net/83064/ |
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| 09:38.20 | flip214 | thanks. |
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| 09:43.06 | babilen | buzz_: We neither support Mint, newrelic nor dotdeb. Please see <mint> and <dotdeb> for further information -- (/msg dpkg mint) -- on where to find help. People in those channels will have to see this informantion plus the *actual* command run you are having problems with. |
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| 09:45.20 | babilen | buzz_: And your "apt-cache policy" output is not in line with your sources.list, I'd run update. All the best and hope that you figure it out in the channel of the distribution you haven chosen. If you are interested in running Debian see <install debian> for some information on doing that. |
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| 09:50.20 | Rovanion | I've installed the 3.12 kernel from wheezy-backports but it's not booting. How do I make sure to boot the new kernel? |
| 09:50.51 | finga | do you know how to configure vsftpd on debian7 with chroot access to their home and write rights in there? |
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| 09:52.10 | berarma | Rovanion: after installing the new kernel it should show up in the grub boot menu |
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| 09:52.21 | Rovanion | berarma: On a remote server |
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| 09:52.57 | berarma | Rovanion: if "it's not booting", what is it doing? |
| 09:53.09 | Rovanion | berarma: Booting the old 3.2 kernel. |
| 09:54.14 | babilen | Rovanion: Would you mind pasting the output of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'linux-image*'" and that of "update-grub2" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 09:55.30 | babilen | Rovanion: Oh, and include your /etc/default/grub and /boot/grub/grubg.cfg |
| 09:55.49 | babilen | (after having run update-grub2) |
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| 09:56.45 | Rovanion | babilen: Ha, update-grub2 isn't installed. |
| 09:56.55 | flip214 | Now I've tried to upgrade another VM ... |
| 09:57.07 | berarma | Rovanion: are you using Wheezy? |
| 09:57.08 | Rovanion | http://paste.debian.net/83067/ is the paste of dpkg -l either way |
| 09:57.19 | flip214 | dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von /var/cache/apt/archives/python-requests_2.2.1-1_all.deb (--unpack): Fehler beim Parsen, in Datei »/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/control« nahe Zeile 7 Paket »python-requests«: Feld »Depends«, ungültiger Paketname »python:any«: Zeichen »:« nicht erlaubt (nur Buchstaben, Ziffern und die Zeichen »-+._«) |
| 09:57.20 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, flip214 |
| 09:57.35 | babilen | Rovanion: Which bootloader do *you* use if not grub2 ? |
| 09:57.42 | Rovanion | uname -a |
| 09:57.44 | Rovanion | Linux itkand-1 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:57.46 | Rovanion | chrlu350@itkand-1:~$ cat /etc/issue |
| 09:57.48 | Rovanion | Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l |
| 09:58.12 | Rovanion | babilen: It's a VM setup by someone unknown to me. |
| 09:58.22 | flip214 | hmmm, strange. an "apt-get autoremove" repaired that ... |
| 09:58.25 | babilen | flip214: Please always paste the entire output and your command + sources.list + apt-cache policy ALLTHEPACKAGESTHATAREPROBLEMATIC to http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:58.56 | flip214 | oh no, it didn't. just didn't write the error out. |
| 09:59.08 | babilen | Rovanion: Lovely, could you take a look at /boot or check if, say, lilo is installed. |
| 09:59.10 | flip214 | babilen: paste.debian.org seems to be down ;/ |
| 09:59.20 | flip214 | ah, .net. sorry. |
| 09:59.22 | babilen | flip214: It's http://paste.debian.net not http://paste.debian.org |
| 10:01.03 | Rovanion | babilen: /boot contains initrd and vmlinuz for both 3.2 and 3.12. dpkg -l | grep lilo comes up with nothing. |
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| 10:02.11 | flip214 | babilen: could fix it myself. http://paste.debian.net/83068/, though. |
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| 10:03.35 | Rovanion | babilen: But it contains nothing else but the initrd, System.map, config and vmlinuz files. |
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| 10:05.12 | berarma | Rovanion: maybe your vm provider doesn't support user-installed kernels, just their own, have you checked? |
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| 10:05.36 | Rovanion | berarma: No idea, it's the university so I guess I'll ask. |
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| 10:06.31 | babilen | Rovanion: What does "uname -a" give you? |
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| 10:06.44 | babilen | Ah, you've given that above. |
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| 10:07.03 | Rovanion | Its an old kernel right? |
| 10:07.16 | Rovanion | as in -4. The newest is -56 or something. |
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| 10:07.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell Rovanion -about kernel abi |
| 10:08.00 | Devastator | Rovanion is this running on virtualbox? |
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| 10:08.27 | Rovanion | Devastator: I have no idea. |
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| 10:20.00 | ghost75 | what do i need to add to sources.list in order to get https://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/json-c |
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| 10:21.01 | babilen | ghost75: The source package? |
| 10:21.18 | ghost75 | hm? |
| 10:21.35 | babilen | ghost75: Are you referring to the source package? |
| 10:21.50 | ghost75 | i need json-c |
| 10:21.59 | babilen | ghost75: The binary or source package? |
| 10:22.25 | babilen | I ask because you linked to the source package not the binary package and I am not sure if that was done intentionally or in error |
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| 10:23.07 | ghost75 | dont know, i want to install grive and it lists to install: json-c, libcurl, libstdc++,libgcrypt,boost |
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| 10:24.05 | babilen | ghost75: Well, you want the binary package in that case. You can see on that page that three binary packages are built from that source package. Do you have to compile something or do you simply want to install a binary yourself? |
| 10:24.20 | babilen | judd: v grive |
| 10:24.22 | judd | Package: grive on i386 -- jessie: 0.2.0-1.1; sid: 0.2.0-1.1 |
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| 10:24.47 | ghost75 | then maybe easier to choose sid |
| 10:25.02 | babilen | ghost75: No, don't mix releases. Ever! |
| 10:25.18 | babilen | judd: checkbackport grive |
| 10:25.23 | judd | Backporting package grive in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libiberty-dev. |
| 10:25.28 | babilen | judd: checkbackport libiberty-dev |
| 10:25.30 | judd | Backporting package libiberty-dev in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
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| 10:26.32 | babilen | ghost75: Okay, you should be able to backport grive yourself by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb" -- Backport its Build-Dependency libiberty-dev first *and* install it before you do the same for grive. |
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| 10:27.02 | ripero | Hi, I just upgraded to jessie, and I found that my favourite pdf viewer (evince) has gone crappier: now I need at least one extra click for almost anything, and old key combinations (like Alt+F, 1 to re-open the last document) don't work; is there any way to (a) change the menu layout keeping this version, or (b) reverting to the old version and keeping it for good? |
| 10:27.04 | babilen | ghost75: Once you install "the resulting deb" you might have to run "apt-get -f install" to install missing dependencies. |
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| 10:27.25 | babilen | ripero: You want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing support (cf. /topic) |
| 10:27.46 | ripero | babilen: oh, ok, thank you |
| 10:28.07 | babilen | ripero: But I think the answer to both of your questions is "no" ... I'd have to look into it though. See you there :D |
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| 10:32.17 | ghost75 | judd: deb-src sid |
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| 10:36.23 | babilen | ghost75: What are you trying to do? |
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| 10:43.31 | ghost75 | babilen: now i am at apt-get -b source grive |
| 10:43.43 | ghost75 | and then i had missing dependency |
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| 10:46.03 | ghost75 | cannot install cmake |
| 10:46.45 | tech2 | Hi all, for continuous integration I'd like to be able to install/remove the package's dependencies (but not the package itself), and later uninstall the same dependencies (so I don't need to build a new environment each time to test). This is so that when I run tests against the code checked out from the repo that it has its deps. Is there a clean way to do this? |
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| 10:48.37 | themill | tech2: you might like to look at schroot using either aufs or lvm snapshots to let you work in a session that you just throw away once done |
| 10:49.55 | tech2 | themill: I'm more interesting (right now at least) in how to resolve a package's dependencies (if possible without building the package). To satisfy build dependencies you can use pbuilder-satisfydepends for example, but there doesn't appear to be anything for the final package dependencies (that I'm aware of) |
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| 10:50.01 | tech2 | *interested |
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| 10:54.30 | ghost75 | babilen: i need to install libiberty-dev from sid source or binary? |
| 10:54.44 | ksuhku | tech2, I probably misunderstood what you want but are you aware of apt-cache depends PACKAGENAME |
| 10:55.09 | tech2 | ksuhku: does that work for a local *.deb? |
| 10:55.26 | ksuhku | tech2, only the ones in the repos AFAIK |
| 10:55.30 | themill | tech2: if apt knows about the package then you could construct an aptitude search pattern to do that, I guess. |
| 10:56.11 | tech2 | damn :/ |
| 10:57.11 | themill | tech2: have you come across autopkgtest btw? |
| 10:57.52 | tech2 | themill: no, I may have to read up on that. It's python code though and we don't packages our _test.py files. Thanks for the reference, I'll take a look |
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| 10:59.03 | themill | tech2: autopkgtest runs a defined test suite from within the unpacked sources but is designed to test the installed version of the package. The test harness knows how to install the packages etc for you |
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| 10:59.25 | themill | tech2: the fixture can be either a VM or an schroot |
| 11:00.48 | themill | tech2: the debian/tests/control file defines the test suite, e.g. http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/i18nspector.git;a=tree;f=debian/tests |
| 11:01.19 | pfote | what would i use for a tcp ping? want to monitor a host that blocks icmp |
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| 11:02.51 | tech2 | themill: that sounds kinda neat, thanks! :) |
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| 11:03.28 | telmich | good day |
| 11:03.33 | themill | it's designed specifically for testing the as-built package; there's also ci.debian.net which might be useful to you (although it's very much a work in progress) |
| 11:03.49 | telmich | I had to reinstall debian via debootstrap to a machine and I try to install grub-efi now while running the live cd |
| 11:04.13 | telmich | when running grub-install from grub-efi it does not show any efi specific options (like --efi-directory) |
| 11:04.21 | telmich | anyone an idea what I may be doing wrong? |
| 11:05.20 | telmich | it seems the grub-install I have is suited for mbr/pc systems, though coming from the grub-efi-amd64 package |
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| 11:07.23 | ghost75 | babilen: thx, it worked |
| 11:07.40 | babilen | ghost75: Ah, great! I was just about to answer your question :) |
| 11:07.54 | ghost75 | i installed libiberty-dev from sid binary |
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| 11:08.00 | babilen | ghost75: NOO! |
| 11:08.07 | ghost75 | no? |
| 11:09.10 | ghost75 | then let me try again |
| 11:09.18 | babilen | ghost75: No, *never* mix stable with anything but backports. As the version of libiberty-dev you need to compile grive is neither available in wheezy nor wheezy-backports you have to backport *and* install it before you can backport grive. I mentioned that earlier, but you seem to have misunderstood |
| 11:09.25 | Resilience | I have one doubt, when you want to establish a route, where is the "right" file to put it on? in /etc/network/interfaces? or where? |
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| 11:11.36 | M4dH4TT3r | hello |
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| 11:12.44 | berarma | Resilience: on a Debian default desktop install you would do it in the Gnome Control Center |
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| 11:14.03 | Resilience | berarma, not right, you cando still with conf files, and if you're noto using gnome.. it is difficult to use it |
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| 11:15.22 | berarma | feels like doing an exam |
| 11:16.17 | mepl | am using sshpass, my password contain an exclamation mark (!), how can I pass it without getting bash: !": event not found |
| 11:16.18 | berarma | Resilience: ok, so you don't have network-manager installed, right? |
| 11:16.38 | Resilience | eases berarma it is not about an exam |
| 11:16.39 | ghost75 | babilen: i build now also libiberty-dev from source |
| 11:16.40 | berarma | mepl: escape it \! |
| 11:16.55 | Resilience | berarma, I like/need to hand configure the routing, that's all |
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| 11:17.19 | berarma | Resilience: without knowing how you're handling your network won't be easy |
| 11:17.40 | babilen | ghost75: Yes, once you've done that install it with "dpkg -i" and run "apt-get -f install" -- Please make sure that you have *no* packages from sid installed. If you could paste your /var/log/apt/history.log I could take a look at what you've done. |
| 11:17.42 | ghost75 | so "to backport" just means to compile from source |
| 11:17.54 | Resilience | berameobviously configuring by /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:17.58 | mepl | berarma: so if my password was !Password it would be "\!Password"? |
| 11:18.09 | berarma | mepl: I'd try that |
| 11:18.10 | mepl | "foo\!" for foo! |
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| 11:18.10 | babilen | ghost75: Yes, you compile code from source against the libraries in the release you are targeting. |
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| 11:18.45 | berarma | Resilience: so what's your question? |
| 11:19.06 | babilen | ghost75: Sometimes packages simply compile just like that and the packaging is compatible between versions .. sometimes that is not the case (think, for example, about apache modules targeting either apache 2.4 or 2.2) |
| 11:19.57 | M4dH4TT3r | hey I'm wondering about the older deb kernals and their requirements |
| 11:20.17 | Resilience | berarmeif I need to make a static route, where do I put the route commands? in which file? /etc/network/interfaces? other? |
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| 11:21.11 | berarma | !tell Resilience -about route |
| 11:21.16 | M4dH4TT3r | are there any older deb kernals that will work well with 32MB ramm and 167Mhz processor? |
| 11:21.20 | berarma | Resilience: see if that helps ^^ |
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| 11:22.01 | Resilience | berarma seeing it, reading it and googling it, in a fez minutes I will tell you (by the way, thanks in advance) |
| 11:22.56 | ghost75 | grive allows even to synchronize other folders which is not available in windows version |
| 11:23.20 | Resilience | berarmei tinhk that yes, so the static routes are put in the /etc/network/interfaces file, right? |
| 11:23.48 | berarma | Resilience: yes, if that's what you're using, obviously. |
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| 11:24.37 | Resilience | berarma I'm using hand configuration, yes |
| 11:24.51 | berarma | Resilience: since you're asking where to put I'm not sure you know what you're using |
| 11:25.09 | M4dH4TT3r | nano? |
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| 11:25.17 | Resilience | berarma all the standard copnfiguration files, nothing graphical and nothign from gnome |
| 11:25.27 | babilen | Resilience: Well, generally speaking you get a bunch of routes simply by defining the typical network stanzas in your /e/n/i -- You *could* tie in the definition of additional routes into up/down hooks and run iproute2 commands in there. Another option would be to use the functionality provided by the ifupdown-extra package. |
| 11:26.09 | M4dH4TT3r | anyone know about older kernels? |
| 11:26.34 | babilen | M4dH4TT3r: Yes, I am sure that there are older kernels that work well with those specs |
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| 11:27.02 | M4dH4TT3r | babilen where can I find them I was just looking around the site |
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| 11:27.57 | babilen | M4dH4TT3r: You can't simply install a, say, 2.2 kernel on wheezy. You would have to run the corresponding release. Is it really important to continue this computer archeology? |
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| 11:28.21 | Resilience | babilen, the poblem is that I have an compuer with 2 network interfaces, one to the internal network, and the other to the router, ip address from the router is dhcp'ed and the internal is assigned statically in /e/n/i, BUT then the routes are bad and everything goes to the internal card and nothing to the external, don't know why, so I wanteed to force it thorugh the external |
| 11:28.47 | M4dH4TT3r | yes I assumed you would have to run the release |
| 11:29.01 | M4dH4TT3r | Its just for a terminal |
| 11:29.16 | bhuddah | but why? |
| 11:29.23 | berarma | Resilience: it seems like your network is badly configured, you shouldn't need manual routes to do that |
| 11:29.28 | M4dH4TT3r | as a terminal for my servers |
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| 11:30.28 | Resilience | berarma, maybe it is badly configured, but why? as babilen said it is the bunch of networks by defining the interfaces |
| 11:31.24 | berarma | afk |
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| 11:32.06 | Resilience | berarma, yes, that's the problem, the default rutes con't work, and it is an easy network so... |
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| 11:32.22 | babilen | Resilience: Well, provide your configuration and, say, "ip route" output if you want actual help. |
| 11:32.34 | babilen | bbl |
| 11:32.57 | Resilience | babilen, where do I provide it? in pastebin? |
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| 11:34.10 | M4dH4TT3r | babilen any chance you have a link where I can dl these older kernels and find out their requirements? |
| 11:34.43 | babilen | Resilience: http://paste.debian.net would be a good choice |
| 11:35.04 | babilen | M4dH4TT3r: No, not off hand, but kernel.org might have that information |
| 11:35.24 | mepl | my password prompt for ssh is very slow, when I add a -vvv trace it seems to stop at debug2: key: /root/.ssh/id_ecdsa ((nil)) for like 8-10 seconds then continue. What is going on here? |
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| 11:36.04 | Resilience | babilen, now I have to go, I think I will make it in some other moment |
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| 11:36.36 | Resilience | babilen, berarma thanks for all, you've been very polite and very supportive |
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| 11:36.52 | babilen | Resilience: All the best and see you later. |
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| 11:37.49 | M4dH4TT3r | not seeing anything in that regards on kernel.org babilen |
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| 11:42.18 | babilen | M4dH4TT3r: Well, ask the kernel upstream. Similar information can be found for Debian releases in the release notes. See, for example, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02.html.en for wheezy |
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| 11:42.46 | Marqin | how often do you get backwards-compability problems with apps when apt-get updating? |
| 11:42.59 | doublehp_ | which daemon should detect the screen switch and turn the laptop into sleep mode ? i have acpi, and suspend; i can suspend manually, but Iwant that automated when I close the screen down |
| 11:43.07 | doublehp_ | i don't find where to conf the event |
| 11:43.13 | ksk | hey guys. |
| 11:43.16 | doublehp_ | wheezy 7.3 |
| 11:43.19 | Marqin | hey ksk |
| 11:43.36 | doublehp_ | Marqin: 1-2y |
| 11:43.55 | ksk | im using encfs over curlftpfs and its really slow - about 50KB/s (where encfs locally or curlftpfs without encfs is about 10M/s or something) - any idea how to tune that? |
| 11:44.00 | Marqin | doublehp_: 1-2 problems yearly? |
| 11:44.16 | doublehp_ | Marqin: most big apps have nice migration tools; it's the way back for downgrade that is usually a mess |
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| 11:44.23 | doublehp_ | Marqin: every 2y |
| 11:44.52 | Linnak | Hi, I can't remove or install anything because |
| 11:44.53 | Marqin | hm, but i was asking about only apt-get update, without dist- and not upgrading a debian version |
| 11:44.53 | Linnak | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/wine-bin_1.4.1-4_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 11:44.54 | dpkg | linnak: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 11:45.05 | doublehp_ | Marqin: E16 did not change conf since 2006. E17 changes every 2months. Firefox changes several times a year. OOo changes on every major. |
| 11:45.07 | Linnak | trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man1/wine-safe.1.gz', which is also in package wine32-unstable 1.5.31-1~bpo70+0 |
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| 11:45.37 | Marqin | php changes too often |
| 11:45.40 | Marqin | for lazy me |
| 11:45.47 | Marqin | wonder if can do update without breaking apps |
| 11:45.53 | babilen | M4dH4TT3r: Ah, that doesn't include minimum RAM and so on. Well, I wouldn't recommend running an outdated release anyway and therefore would recommend to simply acquire "newer" hardware than what you have. Hardware wise you are probably somewhere in the late 90s which would mean that releases from that era should work. You could try slink or potato but than I would *never* use that system anywhere important. |
| 11:46.01 | Linnak | If I want to remove wine I can't because of pipelight if I want to remove pipelight I can't because of wine. It's a trap |
| 11:46.02 | doublehp_ | Marqin: on daily basis, I usually have problems with services and daemons |
| 11:46.22 | babilen | Marqin: Which release are you tracking? |
| 11:46.53 | doublehp_ | Marqin: no, you can't. ArchLinux make it clear: on any update, expect breakage. Debian lies to you. |
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| 11:47.12 | babilen | Marqin: And "dist-upgrade" is not only for upgrading between releases, but primarily the mode of operation in which package removals are allows. |
| 11:47.34 | babilen | Marqin: *allowed -- aptitude's terminology of "safe-upgrade" vs "full-upgrade" is better IMHO |
| 11:47.38 | M4dH4TT3r | babilen newer hardware is not necessary for what I need |
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| 11:48.10 | Marqin | babilen: squeeze |
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| 11:48.40 | M4dH4TT3r | I just want this laptop to act as a terminal for my servers I have better devices/hardware but not for this |
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| 11:49.02 | Marqin | anyone knows if php-5.3.8 -> php-5.3.28 would break something? |
| 11:49.03 | doublehp_ | M4dH4TT3r: can you make your point short for me ? |
| 11:49.10 | babilen | Marqin: squeeze is oldstable and, like any other stable release, won't change. See "/msg dpkg stable" about information on what stable means in Debian. That release is supported until May and I would strongly recommend to plan the upgrade to wheezy. Read the <release notes> to learn how to perform that upgrade. |
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| 11:49.20 | xeon123 | I have a Lenove T61 with debian 8 installed, but the laptop can't detect another monitor. What should I do ? |
| 11:49.32 | babilen | Marqin: You will ahve to ask ##php and your developers. |
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| 11:50.03 | doublehp_ | xeon123: be more specific. External screen ? detected at bios ? by X ? |
| 11:50.07 | nevyn | xeon123: what's the output ofxrandr with the second display connected? |
| 11:50.16 | Marqin | babilen: but in wheeze are only new packages |
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| 11:50.19 | mepl | how can I set that all files and directories being created, copied or moved to a directory inherit the parent folder permissions? chown -R root:www-data /var/git, I want all files in git changing ownership |
| 11:50.19 | M4dH4TT3r | doublehp_ its about using what you have for a necessary function not just going out and buying new crap continually (like I said all I need is a terminal on a fuctioning OS) |
| 11:50.35 | Marqin | babilen: apps I host are using old , that are in lenny/squeeze repo only, so |
| 11:50.39 | babilen | xeon123: There is no "Debian 8" release - Do you mean that you are tracking testing? If so I'd recommend to ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and to provide additional information (Xorg.0.log, drivers users, xrandr output, ...) |
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| 11:51.17 | babilen | Marqin: Well, you have two months to work on upgrading your codebase to a supported PHP release (both by us *and* PHP upstream) |
| 11:51.42 | daemonkeeper | babilen: Tell this your customers. |
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| 11:51.57 | doublehp_ | M4dH4TT3r: set-up the terminal as either ssh client, or for X ... you can use remote X: install only the X server, but the whole cession (cession, desktop, WM ... ) is computed on a central server. This way, I have been using tons of crap machines as pure terminals. |
| 11:52.02 | Marqin | babilen: not possible |
| 11:52.21 | Marqin | babilen: using frameworks that depend on old packages |
| 11:52.22 | xeon123 | The output of the xrandr is just for 1 monitor. I want to connect an external monitor. I am using Debian jessie. The network card is: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G86M [Quadro NVS 140M] (rev a1). |
| 11:52.29 | Marqin | babilen: so we had to rewrite whole apps |
| 11:52.41 | M4dH4TT3r | you talking about X11? |
| 11:52.45 | doublehp_ | M4dH4TT3r: you are usually limited by the monitor resolution; crap machines rarely have video cards able to display high colors at high res. |
| 11:52.49 | nevyn | xeon123: xeon123 can you pastebin it please? |
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| 11:53.13 | babilen | Marqin: So, what is your plan? Run this codebase for the next five, ten, fifteen, ... years? |
| 11:53.15 | nevyn | xeon123: paste.debian.net |
| 11:53.20 | xgl | Hi all ! |
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| 11:53.26 | M4dH4TT3r | X11 is not an option on my servers I am also a minimalist |
| 11:53.32 | doublehp_ | which daemon should detect the screen switch and turn the laptop into sleep mode ? i have acpi, and suspend; i can suspend manually, but I want that automated when I close the screen down. I don't find where to conf the event |
| 11:53.33 | xeon123 | nevyn: http://pastebin.com/w1BsrjPG |
| 11:53.45 | M4dH4TT3r | I run ssh and tightvnc |
| 11:54.00 | nevyn | xeon123: what x driver are you using? |
| 11:54.00 | Marqin | babilen: yes |
| 11:54.16 | xeon123 | nevyn: how I see this? |
| 11:54.21 | nevyn | xeon123: we should be on -next btw |
| 11:54.23 | Marqin | babilen: don't have fund/ppl to rewrite it all, also, it's not mine, i'm just cleaning here |
| 11:54.54 | xeon123 | nevyn: what is -next? |
| 11:54.59 | nevyn | xeon123: /var/log/xorg.0.log |
| 11:55.05 | nevyn | xeon123: a different channel. |
| 11:55.15 | nevyn | on a different network in a different universe. |
| 11:55.25 | nevyn | babilen: getting to -next from here is complicated |
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| 11:56.21 | doublehp_ | M4dH4TT3r: X11 server on client takes only 4M;when you ONLY have the X server. The full WM take take from 20M to 100M on server. What I do on daily basis is have a standalone laptop; for apps in can't install on the laptop, I have icons launching a simple ssh command: ssh with RSA auth to server, with X11 forwarding, and launch app on server. It displays on laptop as if it was installed locally. For pure CLI machines, the whole system can fit |
| 11:56.28 | xeon123 | nevyn: I don't have the xorg.0.log file. |
| 11:56.48 | nevyn | xeon123: have a look for it. |
| 11:56.56 | nevyn | it's probably wrong capitalisation or something |
| 11:57.13 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 11:57.49 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm wondering guys should I be using two factor authentication for ssh on any of my machines/servers? |
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| 11:58.04 | mns | Marqin: what framework is being used by your team ? |
| 11:58.20 | ShapeShifter499 | I just want a option as I have some solutions for setting one up already |
| 11:58.25 | nevyn | ShapeShifter499: like key based authentication? |
| 11:58.27 | nevyn | hell yes |
| 11:58.33 | M4dH4TT3r | doublehp_ I am all about X11 on the client but cant on the server |
| 11:58.37 | forcer | etokens are pretty nice |
| 11:58.58 | nevyn | yubi sticks are neat too |
| 11:59.06 | M4dH4TT3r | ^ |
| 11:59.10 | xeon123 | nevyn: is it this? [ 19.703] (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa |
| 11:59.17 | M4dH4TT3r | yumi* |
| 11:59.17 | nevyn | yeah. |
| 11:59.23 | nevyn | xeon123: that's the problem |
| 11:59.33 | makubi^ | hi there. yesterday, I started creating private deb-archives. I wonder if there is any convenience method for doing things like creating user, getting appropriate log-dir, retrieving right /etc/ config-directory and so on or does every package manage this on its own? |
| 11:59.37 | nevyn | M4dH4TT3r: yubikey |
| 11:59.44 | ShapeShifter499 | should keys though be more than secure enough? |
| 12:00.02 | nevyn | ShapeShifter499: depends on requirements |
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| 12:00.48 | doublehp_ | ShapeShifter499: I have already done card identification (found room in my laptop, installed a card reader inside; I could auth with any of my cards). Easy and cheap. Tell people to use any of their cards (credit card, social insurance ...). Really cheap. Fingerprint reader also work on linux, but more expensive (said to be safer - but also easy to damage). |
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| 12:00.55 | xeon123 | nevyn: this laptor supports NVidia ([ 19.927] (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation [ 19.927] (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: G86 Board - NV_NB8M ), but if I install NVidia, I can't start X. |
| 12:00.59 | ShapeShifter499 | I usually set keys at least with 5000+bit RSA excryption |
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| 12:01.37 | nevyn | what's the card again... |
| 12:02.00 | doublehp_ | M4dH4TT3r: i also dislike re-buying computers; there is just one point in favour of recent machines: for machines running 24/7 recent ones usually use less power. |
| 12:02.32 | xeon123 | nevyn: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G86M [Quadro NVS 140M] (rev a1) |
| 12:02.43 | nevyn | ShapeShifter499: so the issues with ssh keys are. they're difficult to revoke, you can't ensure people use passwords with them .... |
| 12:02.45 | ShapeShifter499 | doublehp_: I'm talking about ssh access |
| 12:02.50 | nevyn | xeon123: try using the nv driver |
| 12:02.53 | M4dH4TT3r | yeah but this term wont be running often which is exactly my point only when network con is lost or inoperable |
| 12:03.09 | nevyn | ShapeShifter499: not to mention they're copyable files |
| 12:03.19 | M4dH4TT3r | most of the time it will just sit there off |
| 12:03.24 | nevyn | hard tokens are nice in that they don't have these weaknesses |
| 12:03.45 | doublehp_ | ShapeShifter499: you can use finger/card to re-enforce, or replace ssh auth. |
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| 12:04.11 | xeon123 | nevyn: how I know in which package it is nv driver? |
| 12:04.29 | nevyn | xorg-server-video-nv ? |
| 12:04.42 | nevyn | xeon123: apt-cache search video-nv |
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| 12:04.46 | ShapeShifter499 | nevyn: this is just for my own personal computers |
| 12:04.53 | ShapeShifter499 | btw* |
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| 12:05.57 | nevyn | ShapeShifter499: so. I Like keys. they're convienient, cheap, and more secure in the transaction than passwords |
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| 12:06.06 | nevyn | (secret never leaves the client system) |
| 12:06.09 | nevyn | the real secret |
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| 12:10.54 | Linnak | Hi, I'd like to know which version should I download to run on my pc with all the feature. I'd like to use KDE? |
| 12:11.16 | ShapeShifter499 | nevyn: doublehp_ would I be helping any by enabling password + ssh-key? |
| 12:11.59 | ShapeShifter499 | I really don't want to buy any new hardware while being as secure as I can get |
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| 12:14.13 | Linnak | Is iso live the same as not live if I want to install it? |
| 12:14.42 | nvdpl | Is there a quick fix for a dpkg-statoverride: error: An override for [...] error (aside from rebuilding the package) ? |
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| 12:18.24 | Linnak | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/iso-dvd/debian-7.4.0-i386-DVD-1.iso and http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.4-i386-kde-desktop.iso are the same if i want to install with KDE? |
| 12:18.37 | Linnak | Is live easier? |
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| 12:19.25 | Linnak | P l e a s e |
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| 12:21.10 | engla | Linnak: as long as you have an internet connection while installing, the smallest cd is fine |
| 12:21.10 | ShapeShifter499 | nevyn: doublehp_ guys? |
| 12:21.58 | engla | Linnak: that might require some extra setup to provide wifi firmware (if needed) during installation though |
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| 12:23.25 | Linnak | engla, thanks |
| 12:23.27 | engla | Linnak: by the way, you want the amd64 iso if you have a x86-64 proc |
| 12:23.57 | Linnak | Sysinfo for 'KanotixBox': Linux 3.13.0-6-generic running KDE Development Platform 4.8.4 (4.8.4), CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz at 2999 MHz (5998 bogomips), HD: 202/257GB, RAM: 900/1001MB, 136 proc's, 1.47h up |
| 12:25.25 | Linnak | This is the only Debian based system that the KDE windows effects works by default |
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| 12:25.36 | engla | I'd check the flags in /proc/cpuinfo to see if that's a 64-bit cpu |
| 12:26.01 | engla | (which it probably is) |
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| 12:26.52 | Linnak | IT'S 32bit |
| 12:27.03 | engla | ok |
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| 12:52.10 | ruien | Hello. Can anyone assist with some custom repository confusion, or suggest a more appropriate channel? The question is formatted nicely here: http://dpaste.com/1641887/ . While I'm using ubuntu I think it's more fitting to ask this question here. |
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| 12:54.54 | makubi^ | I am reading user input for my package in debian/config. why does the user-input dialog not popup on install, but on dpkg-reconfigure? when would I normally read the entered data? in debian/postinst or extend debian/config to my script? |
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| 12:56.24 | themill | makubi^: the priority at which questions are shown is different for those two actions |
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| 12:57.34 | makubi^ | themill: oh ok, so e.g. critical will let it show up on install too? if so, I'm going to look for the appropriate list |
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| 12:58.53 | makubi^ | themill: I thought if I'd not provide a default value, I'd be asked anyways. |
| 12:59.13 | themill | makubi^: the priority at which users see things normally when installing is "high"; when reconfiguring is "low". |
| 12:59.54 | makubi^ | themill: alright, thank you. what about reading the user input? would I do that in postinst or paste my script to config? |
| 13:01.24 | themill | Depends where you need the information. Generally you just let debconf ask the questions in config and you use the values in postinst. Have you looked at debconf(7) and debconf-devel(7)? |
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| 13:02.07 | makubi^ | themill: not yet, I'll look at it, thanks :) |
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| 13:02.24 | themill | (debconf-doc package) |
| 13:02.35 | makubi^ | alright |
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| 13:03.12 | Xethron | Greetings. I have Debian 3.2.54-2 i686 and I'm having some trouble with CUPS |
| 13:03.21 | makubi^ | themill: how does debconf and config-files in /etc play together? they don't, right? |
| 13:03.25 | jaami | need a GUI for sqlite for debian, can someone tell me which is good? |
| 13:03.44 | Xethron | I only installed the printer service afterwards running apt-get install cups cups-client. I realized that lpr was missing and installed lpr. However, lpr doesn't seem to find my printers? |
| 13:03.46 | themill | jaami: sqlitebrowser is fine |
| 13:03.52 | jaami | ok |
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| 13:04.28 | themill | makubi^: they have to play perfectly :) config has to read in the values in the current config file as the "current values" before then asking the questions of the user. |
| 13:04.37 | CissWit | jaami: squirel is nice too (well, i used to use it for mysql, didn't try it out for sqlite) |
| 13:04.53 | Xethron | lpr -P printername "Hello World" returns: lpr: printername: unknown printer, however, lp -d printername works |
| 13:04.59 | makubi^ | themill: I just did use 'db_input high username', but I still dont' get asked when installing :\ |
| 13:05.12 | Xethron | also running lpstat -p shows all the printers |
| 13:05.45 | themill | makubi^: how are you testing this? |
| 13:05.51 | makubi^ | themill: I thought debconf takes care of administrating config params? and if the user wants to change a value, he has to reconfigure the package |
| 13:06.01 | jaami | ok CissWit , thanks |
| 13:06.03 | themill | makubi^: no, debconf is not a registry |
| 13:06.03 | makubi^ | themill: removing and re-installing the newly built package |
| 13:06.03 | Xethron | Everything worked when I selected "Printer Service" on installation. So I assume I'm doing something wrong installing it |
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| 13:07.29 | makubi^ | themill: oh |
| 13:09.14 | makubi^ | themill: so I read it is kind of a database |
| 13:09.38 | zoldar | From what I've seen in man pages, "halt" should halt the system without power off. Only "-p" should instruct it to do the actual power off. In my case, on squeeze, halt always ends with acpi power off - is that expected behaviour? |
| 13:10.02 | makubi^ | themill: I thought that would mean that I can read and write config params to it |
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| 13:10.14 | themill | makubi^: not really. |
| 13:10.51 | makubi^ | themill: so the purpose of debconf is to read data and then do what with it? |
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| 13:11.32 | makubi^ | themill: (besides of choosing the appropriate input interface - e.g. a gui) |
| 13:11.45 | themill | makubi^: to feed it into the regular configuration files. And if the local admin changes those files and then re-runs dpkg-reconfigure packagename (or upgrades the package etc) then their changes must be preserved |
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| 13:11.49 | sh00p | Hi, trying to get my debian box to send emails over the internet. I have a mailrc with my configuration for my smtp server (provided by ISP), shouldn't I then just be able to send mail with mailx? |
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| 13:12.35 | nunnsby | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.40 | sh00p | or do I need to configure exim etc in order to do this simple task? |
| 13:12.51 | makubi^ | themill: alright, so if I'm installing a package the first time, I'll ask for some config params. on reconfigure, I'll ask the user about the params but display the ones from the config files |
| 13:12.59 | jelly | nunnsby: if you're running Raspbian, ask in #raspbian |
| 13:13.37 | themill | sh00p: mailx only knows how to pass mail off to the MTA on your system (exim, dma, nullmailer, etc). |
| 13:13.46 | themill | makubi^: yes |
| 13:14.14 | jaami | CissWit: i had better keep it simple without jdbc drivers and then configuration for sqlite on squirel. will check that later when have time for it. using sqlitebrowser |
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| 13:14.38 | makubi^ | themill: nice. so I bet there is a convenient method or so to read / write config params ? |
| 13:15.05 | makubi^ | themill: does that mean that I just use debconf to temporarily store data? |
| 13:15.10 | themill | yes |
| 13:15.19 | themill | and for the prompting |
| 13:15.26 | makubi^ | okay |
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| 13:17.02 | makubi^ | themill: thanks for that manpage hint, they look quite good :) |
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| 13:18.18 | themill | dpkg: tell makubi^ about mentors |
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| 13:20.31 | makubi^ | themill: yeah, somebody did yesterday :) |
| 13:21.39 | makubi^ | themill: but I thought this does not apply to me because I am not going to upload that package |
| 13:22.33 | themill | people there will help with general packaging questions too (just make sure they know in advance that these aren't packages destined for the debian archive) |
| 13:23.16 | makubi^ | themill: ok, thank you! |
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| 13:35.37 | DammitJim | what tool should I use for performance characterization? |
| 13:35.50 | DammitJim | I have this Lenovo T61p laptop that had a regular hard drive |
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| 13:36.07 | DammitJim | and we are trying to see if it would be worth putting SSDs on these machines to bring back some life to them |
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| 13:44.51 | wols | DammitJim: it depends what you want to measure |
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| 13:45.52 | DammitJim | wols, that's an excellent point |
| 13:45.55 | wols | and the best way to do this in this case is to take one T61p (those are the ones with the bad nvidia chips btw, not sure if it's worth upgrading them...) and put a SSD inside. if the experiment is a success then you can think about upgrading the others |
| 13:46.00 | DammitJim | our group was thinking about user experience |
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| 13:46.29 | DammitJim | I think booting up is going to be a lot faster for sure, but other stuff like video, picture editing might be still slow? |
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| 13:48.10 | wols | video encoding will still be slow, but it will be fairly slow on any laptop. they're not made for this |
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| 13:53.41 | RoyK | DammitJim: video encoding is cpu bound, but picture editing etc will be vastly faster with an ssd since spinning rust is very slow in comparison |
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| 13:54.20 | RoyK | DammitJim: that is - filters on images is also cpu bound, but working with tons of large images in raw format will be very much faster indeed |
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| 14:00.49 | unclezipper | ...What ws that |
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| 14:01.38 | DammitJim | I wonder if there will be a difference for Windows vs Linux |
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| 14:02.03 | DammitJim | I'm running Linux and it's working pretty well with the exception of Chrome doing weird stuff that requires a lot of CPU |
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| 14:50.48 | scheuri | hi everyone....sorry for bothering you. What can I do when a folder has hundreds of thousends files (mostly smaller ones of a few mbytes) and I can't do a ls anymore (and no cp) -> either it never stops or it gives the "argument too long" |
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| 14:51.53 | Freeaqingme | Hi folks; I'm looking for tooling that we can use to create our own package repository. For many packages we use specific compile options or patches, and I'd like to have something that when a new version of some software is released, we can automatically apply our patches, build it with our compile options, and then publish it in our repo. Any suggestions? |
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| 14:52.03 | nkuttler | scheuri: what's the actual command you use? |
| 14:52.18 | scheuri | nkuttler, l s-la |
| 14:52.21 | scheuri | sorry |
| 14:52.22 | scheuri | ls -la |
| 14:52.24 | scheuri | of course |
| 14:52.45 | nkuttler | scheuri: i think you can use find with -name to move stuff around, or delete it |
| 14:55.20 | scheuri | nkuttler, I will try the "find" road....that sounds promising |
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| 15:02.11 | sh00p | How can I send email locally (i.e. user to user) using ssmtp as my MTA? |
| 15:02.25 | fer755 | scheuri, u can use xargs to parse multiple files through stdin |
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| 15:02.52 | DammitJim | dammit |
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| 15:02.59 | DammitJim | netstat doesn't tell me the pid, it just gives me a - |
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| 15:05.53 | fer755 | scheuri, to copy . and dont broke your cp for exess of files |
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| 15:30.35 | Slagwag- | im going to let out a very happy and somber cry |
| 15:30.43 | Slagwag- | migrating my companies web servers finally to debian |
| 15:30.46 | Slagwag- | from server 2008 IIS |
| 15:31.10 | n8w | guys do u know how to solve: The process for the mtp protocol died unexpectedly after connectin android device? |
| 15:33.00 | ksk | im using encfs over curlftpfs and its really slow - about 50KB/s (where encfs locally or curlftpfs without encfs is about 10M/s or something) - any idea how to tune that? |
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| 15:37.37 | makubi^ | What's the best way to copy some files from my debian-package to some directory? |
| 15:37.42 | makubi^ | during installation |
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| 15:38.41 | KaaK | makubi^: are you using debhelper and the dh sequencer? if so, just put a package.install file in the debian/ directory |
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| 15:39.39 | makubi^ | KaaK: yes, I do. but I have to copy a folder "foo" to "/home/user/bar". is this possible? |
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| 15:40.09 | makubi^ | KaaK: so the folder named "foo" should be called "bar" afterwards |
| 15:40.12 | makubi^ | like copy + move |
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| 15:40.45 | KaaK | makubi^: copying into a user's home directory would be frowned upon. usually, if you need things in a users home directory, you do it at runtime with the application you're installing |
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| 15:42.44 | makubi^ | KaaK: ok. I have to set up a bunch of tomcats that'll serve different services. what's the best approach here? |
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| 15:42.55 | Sbroker | hi from Spain |
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| 15:43.08 | KaaK | makubi^: renaming is going to be problematic. usually what i do is use the override_dh_auto_install: target, and do the renaming of the file before dh_install installs it |
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| 15:43.11 | makubi^ | KaaK: I thought of one user that will have X different servers running |
| 15:44.06 | KaaK | makubi^: not familiar with tomcat... sorry, but it sounds like you will want to use the skeleton in /etc/init.d/skeleton as a base for init scripts, then install them with dh_installinit |
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| 15:44.51 | neglesaks | any suggestions on where to find the 6.0.x debian torrents? |
| 15:45.10 | makubi^ | KaaK: well, np. well, how does that help? let me try again :) ... |
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| 15:46.42 | makubi^ | KaaK: I want to set up one user that has multiple services running. the installer should take care of setting up the user and installing this services. I may go better with installing each service but not the home-directory but to /usr/... something ? |
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| 15:48.27 | makubi^ | KaaK: maybe I should just set up one package for each service |
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| 15:48.58 | zykotick9 | neglesaks: i question if anyone is still seeding 6 torrents, i'd just download the iso directly (but not sure why you'd want 6, only a few months of support left) |
| 15:49.35 | KaaK | makubi^: adding a system user is fine in a maintainer's script. usually in postinst. -- as for the system services, you will want to have init.d scripts for each one in your debian/ folder, and let dh_installinit install these for you. |
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| 15:50.30 | makubi^ | KaaK: in postinst? but how can I copy files over if the user does not exist yet? |
| 15:50.41 | makubi^ | KaaK: gonna have a look at the init scripts later, thx :) |
| 15:51.06 | dizzylizzy | I'm running into an issue in iceweasel; none of my SSL certs are working after I switch DNS and reload my network. I suddenly get "this certificate is only valid for *.opendns.com , opendns.com " and it won't let me make some kind of exception or anything |
| 15:51.18 | dizzylizzy | How do I / am I even able to clear my ssl certs? |
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| 15:52.08 | KaaK | makubi^: if you're needing 'private' folders for your package, id suggest /usr/share/mypackage, over /home/myroleuser |
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| 15:54.24 | KaaK | makubi^: also, if youre needing to rename files from the package build before they get installed, here is an example of mine that i use to rename some kernel build artifacts before packaging -- http://paste.debian.net/83139/ |
| 15:54.48 | makubi^ | KaaK: this sounds quite good. I bet there is a standard way to install files to /usr/share/pkg. but still, I a bunch of files are "templates" that'll generate 8 instances of my services. how can I handle such a creation and right copy / paste |
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| 15:55.30 | makubi^ | KaaK: nice, thanks! some 'examples' are always helpful |
| 15:55.44 | KaaK | makubi^: the key bit is cp'ing them (and thus, renaming them) in to debhelpers tempory packaging directory during the build and NOT having a mypackage.install file do that for you |
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| 15:56.35 | makubi^ | KaaK: I see |
| 15:56.51 | KaaK | makubi^: could you flesh out the details a bit more about these templates and 8 instances? not enough to go on |
| 15:56.58 | makubi^ | KaaK: sure, sec. |
| 15:57.29 | neglesaks | i would download and see the 609 spin for archival purposes |
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| 15:59.44 | makubi^ | KaaK: I have 8 web servers serving java programs (= tomcat). I have 8 different services that should run as 1 user. what I need to do is to have 1 "template"-tomcat + some config files. using a debian package, I want to be able to set up / update all of them in one row. |
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| 16:02.41 | makubi^ | KaaK: so what I want in the end is a user with 8 not very different installations |
| 16:02.57 | makubi^ | KaaK: just a few configfiles that I'll create with debconf |
| 16:03.36 | xeon123 | I removed nvidia, and now my laptop screen shows with 1024x768 resolution and not 1280x1024 resolutin. The graphics are: NVIDIA Corporation G86M [Quadro NVS 140M] (rev a1). What can I do to set to the default resolutian 1280? |
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| 16:05.30 | Lunarnaut | Removed NVIDIA? |
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| 16:07.01 | KaaK | makubi^: **looking around** |
| 16:07.23 | makubi^ | KaaK: :P yeah, it's kind of hard to explain |
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| 16:07.50 | KaaK | makubi^: i think i follow now -- you want to be able to interact with debconf at install time to generate these sets of similar configuration files? |
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| 16:08.22 | makubi^ | KaaK: yep. but this should not be a problem, because I can just do that in postinst |
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| 16:08.33 | makubi^ | KaaK: the main problem - currently - is the copying part |
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| 16:09.00 | makubi^ | KaaK: got a folder named foo and have to copy them to /usr/share/myPackage/[foo-1,foo-2,foo-3,...] |
| 16:09.34 | makubi^ | KaaK: and then do some funny stuff (copying config files) in each of the foo-n folders |
| 16:09.51 | xeon123 | Lunarnaut: apt-get purge nvidia-* |
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| 16:10.00 | KaaK | makubi^: i've never had to do this exactly for myself -- but the best example i can think of would be the btsync package, its has some pretty decent interaction with debconf and might be able to be used as a base for what you're trying to accomplish: https://github.com/tuxpoldo/btsync-deb/tree/master/btsync/debian |
| 16:10.40 | KaaK | makubi^: particularly this file https://github.com/tuxpoldo/btsync-deb/blob/master/btsync/debian/btsync.config |
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| 16:11.18 | zykotick9 | xeon123: did you have the resolution you want, prior to installing nvidia? if so, verify that the nouveau blacklist was removed by the purge. sorry don't know the file off hand. |
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| 16:11.28 | makubi^ | KaaK: ok, I'll look at this in a minute. I want to pack that folder 'foo/' in my debian package and then copy it to USER_HOME/foo-1,foo-2,foo-3 ... |
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| 16:11.48 | Sagar | Hello, i am getting this same problem, what should i do? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=108820 |
| 16:11.57 | xeon123 | zykotick9: yes |
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| 16:12.51 | xeon123 | zykotick9: Nouveau is still there. Should I remove? |
| 16:13.36 | zykotick9 | xeon123: no, i'm assuming you want to use nouveau. BUT when you installed nvidia, it blacklisted nouveau from loading - you may need to manually undo that. |
| 16:14.02 | xeon123 | zykotick9: how I see this? |
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| 16:14.34 | zykotick9 | xeon123: use your fav search engine and try to find the file with the blacklists |
| 16:15.00 | Sagar | anyone? |
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| 16:15.24 | makubi^ | KaaK: well, this is just reading / settings config parameters |
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| 16:15.47 | makubi^ | KaaK: Currently, I just need to copy files |
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| 16:17.28 | Sagar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.31 | makubi^ | KaaK: well but I see that my approach is kind of dumb. I really think the best way is to create a package for each server |
| 16:17.42 | neo1691 | I installed xfce4. How to know what gtk engine it is using. I am trying to change the theme of xfce and want to know the difference between gtk3 and gtk2 |
| 16:17.52 | makubi^ | KaaK: and another meta-package to install all of them simultaneously |
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| 16:18.13 | makubi^ | KaaK: and maybe a 'common' package with shared resources |
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| 16:19.46 | KaaK | makubi^: that shouldn't be too horrible, just add them all in your control file, and just have the proper pkg.install files in your debian/ folder |
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| 16:20.48 | zykotick9 | Sagar: <just a comment> perhaps, if you stated what your issue was, people would be more interested? I have no idea what your issue is, so i'm not clicking on the link you keep pasting... and have some patience. |
| 16:21.15 | makubi^ | KaaK: what shouldn't be too horrible? using a meta-package or setting all up in one package? |
| 16:21.15 | KaaK | makubi^: i've done similar things with pppd configurations, a single meta-package to to get the group of configurations, and each individual configuration living comfortably in its own package |
| 16:21.41 | makubi^ | KaaK: alright :) |
| 16:22.05 | Brody_ | Hi, Im a newby. Im installing Debian for the first time onto an old machine using a DVD. I successfully got to the point where the installer tries to install Grub. It failed this step. We tried the dpkg fixmbr but it didnt work. Also tried installing Lilo instead but nope. Eventually we decided to finish the install without Grub with a plan to run ' update-grub ' and ' grub-install /dev/sda ' afterwards. This is the stage im at now. |
| 16:22.21 | ksk | ,versions dovecot |
| 16:22.22 | judd | No package named 'dovecot' was found in i386. |
| 16:22.39 | Sagar | zykotick9 : i am unbale to update packages or something in similar |
| 16:22.43 | ksk | ,versions dovecot-common |
| 16:22.44 | judd | Package: dovecot-common on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.2.15-7; squeeze-security: 1:1.2.15-7; squeeze-backports: 1:2.1.7-7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:2.1.7-7 |
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| 16:23.21 | Brody_ | After I finished the install without grub, it rebooted and tells me to take the DVD out. Then it gets stuck at the 'Verifying DMI Pool Data . . . ' stage. This also happens if the DVD is in the drive. Im rather stuck heh |
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| 16:24.08 | CrowdCtrl | is it safe to install new packages while i compile new kernel? |
| 16:25.35 | gnugnu5 | Hi |
| 16:25.59 | gnugnu5 | So I just heard that Ubuntu init system would perform an environment check and if it is a lxc container (chroot thing), it would skip some services (as they are tagged). |
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| 16:26.06 | gnugnu5 | Is this supported by Debian / package, too? |
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| 16:26.50 | makubi^ | ksk: finally I think I'll package the application server in one package and all configuration files in another package |
| 16:26.55 | makubi^ | ksk: sorry |
| 16:27.00 | khem_ | Is there any 'php5-uuid' package available for wheezy? I can't find it with the same package name, as in squeeze. |
| 16:27.00 | makubi^ | KaaK: that was for you :P |
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| 16:27.18 | Sagar | zykotick9????? |
| 16:27.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell Brody_ -about fixmbr |
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| 16:27.47 | makubi^ | KaaK: the coniguration files I am talking about are application-server specific ones, like how many threads, jvm size and so on |
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| 16:27.56 | makubi^ | KaaK: things I want to change on all system once |
| 16:28.25 | babilen | Brody_: My recommendation to connect the computer to the internet so that you can actually install grub-pc still stands. You should be able to chroot (get into) your Debian installation by following the instructions the bot just sent you. |
| 16:28.26 | Brody_ | hello again babilen thankyou for helping me yesterday. |
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| 16:30.09 | babilen | Brody_: You should then be able to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list with, say, "nano -W /etc/apt/sources.list" and fill it with something like http://paste.debian.net/83154 -- After you ran "apt-get update" you should be able to install the grub-pc pacakge with "apt-get install grub-pc" which should allow you to perform the "update-grub2" and "grub-install /dev/sda" step |
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| 16:31.28 | babilen | Brody_: I'm afk for a while now, but thought I'd mention it. If you have your DVD still in the sources.list and if it is impossible to connect your computer to the internet you could *try* to install it from DVD by running "apt-get update", "apt-get install grub-pc" without making changes to your /etc/apt/sources.list which should contain your DVD1 (run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" to output the contents of that file) |
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| 16:31.58 | gnugnu5 | anyone? as this is a quite interesting question I find. |
| 16:32.04 | babilen | Brody_: All the best .. others should be able to help you too. I *really* don't know why grub didn't install and am quite sorry that you have to deal with this as your first Debian experience. |
| 16:32.06 | Brody_ | babilen thanks |
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| 16:32.28 | iateadonut | 135/tcp filtered msrpc, 139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn, 445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds, 5907/tcp filtered unknown |
| 16:32.28 | iateadonut | do you recognize any of these services or why they'd be on a debian VPS? |
| 16:33.12 | tharkun | jhutchins, RoyK: Update on potato dead machine. All drives where fine. Whoever made this webapp accounted for every possible breakdown the machine could possibly have. There was a loss of about an hour worth of work but then nothing serious. They have a shiny new hp server with wheezy running on it. Thanks for the information. |
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| 16:36.33 | Sagar | Anyone who can help me with this issue, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=108820 whenever i try to install any software using apt-get or apptitude. It shows this error. |
| 16:36.40 | Sagar | I tried what it says but still no luck |
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| 16:37.29 | jhutchins | tharkun: Cool! What a fun gig. |
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| 16:38.41 | jhutchins | Sagar: I second bulkley's question: What's in your sources list? |
| 16:38.43 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 16:38.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:39.38 | RoyK | tharkun: hehehe |
| 16:39.44 | RoyK | tharkun: the database(s) ok too? |
| 16:39.55 | Brody_ | How does one ' boot to your Debian install disk/live CD' ? When I turn my computer on it goes to the 'Verifying DMI Pool Data . . .' line and stops there. |
| 16:40.34 | makubi^ | KaaK: and how do I copy files to /usr/share/myPackage the right way? |
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| 16:41.13 | Sagar | jhutchins : ok wait |
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| 16:43.22 | jhutchins | Brody_: Does it have another OS on it? |
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| 16:44.30 | Brody_ | jhutchins it originally had windows. ive just installed debian though and windows should no longer be on it. grub is not installed though. |
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| 16:45.48 | iateadonut | i did an nmap and discovered these: 135/tcp filtered msrpc, 139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn, 445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds, 5907/tcp filtered unknown - i then did lsof -i :port to find out what services were listening on them, and it is not reporting a service. |
| 16:46.06 | Sagar | jhutcins : http://pastebin.com/FE6kttWf |
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| 16:49.09 | Sagar | jhutchins : http://pastebin.com/FE6kttWf |
| 16:50.25 | pernis | iateadonut: maybe this? http://forum.slicehost.com/index.php?p=/discussion/353/msrpc-and-microsoft-ds-ports/p1 |
| 16:50.51 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: re: Brody_ (not sure if you saw it yesterday), but Brody_ gets something like "grub has no install candidate" (or similar) when he installed from DVD? |
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| 16:51.58 | KaaK | makubi^: sorry, a bit distracted. i usually just go with dh_install and let the pkg.install file do the work for me |
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| 16:52.49 | KaaK | makubi^: a good example would be the multistrap package. http://paste.debian.net/83157/ |
| 16:53.33 | tech2 | How do I determine where the values for Depends: entries in a control file come from? For example ${misc:Depends}, ${packagename:venv:Depends} and ${packagename:dist:Depends} - how do I work out what each of those is derived from? |
| 16:53.35 | Brody_ | zykotick9 thats correct. i ended up finishing the install without a bootloader. Now when i turn the PC it stops at the 'Verifying DMI Pool Data' line. Im guessing this is to be expected but Im not really sure how to get back to the Debian installation part so i can try installing grub again. |
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| 16:54.28 | KaaK | tech2: check out dpkg-gencontrol |
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| 16:55.31 | tech2 | KaaK: that allows me to generate the end result, but not to determine the source of those values doesn't it? |
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| 16:57.04 | KaaK | tech2: you're correct -- i'm not really sure where they come from -- only that i'd start at dpkg-gencontrol and work my way down from there... wish i could offer up more |
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| 16:58.26 | jhutchins | !tell Brody_ about fixgrub |
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| 16:59.42 | tech2 | KaaK: no problem, thanks for trying. I'm only asking because I have two packages generated from the same control file, both have the same Depends: lines but the resulting binaries dependencies differ by five packages which is confusing the hell out of me. |
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| 17:11.07 | bezerker | Hello all. I'm running into some crashing issues on a set of deployed hardware running debian squeeze with an openvz kernel. I'm attempting to get kdump installed/configured, but it seems the kernel isn't built with CONFIG_CRASH_DUMP=y according to the config in /boot. I believe it's necessary to be able to get a crash dump (I boot into the dump kernel, but have no crashdumps) . I assume my only option is |
| 17:11.09 | bezerker | to recompile from the source package? |
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| 17:14.28 | neo1691 | Is the experimental repository safe to work with. I am having a problem with the proprietary driver of nvidia and the solution says that I need to install Bumblebee daemon, and the primus bridge from experimental |
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| 17:15.25 | ghost75_ | warning OT: are there any free cloud services with linux client which have a backup mode (not 2way sync) ? |
| 17:15.55 | socomm | ghost75_: owncloud? btsync? |
| 17:16.17 | socomm | also what do you consider 'backup mode' |
| 17:16.45 | socomm | neo1691: expiremental is self-explanatory |
| 17:17.03 | ghost75_ | when using i.e. google drive and you move a folder locally, then it gets uploaded again and also downloaded locally again |
| 17:17.08 | neo1691 | socomm: Can I just install the required packages and remove the experimental repo? |
| 17:17.16 | ghost75_ | because its synchronizing, not backup |
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| 17:18.41 | peterrooney | neo1691: you shall suffer on that road. /msg dpkg frankendebian |
| 17:19.21 | socomm | ghost75_: rsync |
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| 17:19.32 | ghost75_ | rsync for cloud? |
| 17:19.41 | socomm | ghost75_: zmanda |
| 17:19.57 | socomm | ghost75_: 'cloud' |
| 17:20.22 | ghost75_ | non free |
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| 17:20.44 | neo1691 | peterrooney: thanks! |
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| 17:28.26 | lapache | Hello, why there is only RFS on the debian-mentors ML ? |
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| 17:29.23 | MACscr2_ | any ideas on this snmpd error? http://hastebin.com/raw/lonifeweco |
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| 17:31.03 | makubi^ | KaaK: thanks. |
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| 17:31.17 | makubi^ | KaaK: Thank you very much for your help. :) I'm out here, cya later |
| 17:31.18 | ESphynx | hey guys, my Debian is totally messed up :| |
| 17:31.33 | ESphynx | I get a python-speechd is not installable |
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| 17:34.11 | jelly | dpkg, tell ESphynx about bat |
| 17:34.19 | jelly | ,v python-speechd |
| 17:34.22 | judd | Package: python-speechd on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7-6.1; wheezy: 0.7.1-6.2; jessie: 0.7.1-6.3 |
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| 17:36.19 | ESphynx | jelly: sadly I don't have copy paste ability at this point :P |
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| 17:37.15 | ESphynx | But apt-get install gnome says it needs gnome-orca, and apt-get install gnome-orcha says it needs python-speechd ... but apt-get install python-speechd says it's provided by python3-speechd, which I tried installing directly, but didn't help the other errors |
| 17:37.37 | ESphynx | (sid btw) |
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| 17:38.39 | zykotick9 | ESphynx: for sid issues, you're probably best to ask in #debian-next of oftc |
| 17:39.22 | zykotick9 | ESphynx: i also question, your choice to run sid... based on this issue you are having :| |
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| 17:39.41 | jelly | sid's broken one way or the other the whole time; for mere dependency breakage, check bts and file bugs when appropriate |
| 17:39.48 | ESphynx | running sid to test dev packages... |
| 17:39.56 | xreal | How can I make a debian netboot to directly start to SSH with a fixed DHCP? I'm on a headless server :p |
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| 17:40.44 | twostone | @xreal: hook up to rs232, first vt is on the serial. |
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| 17:41.01 | xreal | twostone: don't have rs232 :p |
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| 17:41.56 | xreal | twostone: Do I need to set up debian live? |
| 17:42.08 | twostone | What kind of server doesn't have rs232?? Otherwise, you will have to have a look at debinas automated install. Just google it, should be one of the first results. |
| 17:42.45 | xreal | twostone: Can I "see" Debian's textinstall on ssh using ncurse or something |
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| 17:45.27 | iateadonut | pernis, yeah that seems like it. |
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| 17:46.04 | iateadonut | if it were my own iptables, what would i expect to see in response to 'iptables --list' |
| 17:46.30 | iwkse | hi, do you know any app where it's possible to track time and give a per hour cost? something like that? |
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| 17:48.00 | phobiac | I've got a weird issue with rsync. I've got a flash drive that has decided to kick the bucket and will only mount as read-only. I'm trying to copy everything off of it and I'm using "rsync -a", so it should be preserving owners and groups. However it's assigning things based on the current system's owners and groups. |
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| 17:48.44 | phobiac | For example, the /home/phobiac directory should belong to user "phobiac" but is instead showing up as the local user. |
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| 17:49.22 | phobiac | For slightly more info, this flash drive has a debian install on it for a plug computer so preserving the permissions as they exist on the drive is very important. |
| 17:50.20 | babilen | phobiac: same UID/GID? |
| 17:50.28 | phobiac | The drive seems to be mounting and showing the permissions incorrectly, which seems to be rsync's problem. |
| 17:50.36 | RoyK | anyone here that knows how to make linux balance interrupts across cpus? |
| 17:50.37 | RoyK | using cpu affinity doesn't work |
| 17:50.53 | babilen | phobiac: What does "ls -n" give you for both? |
| 17:51.05 | iateadonut | (just one file) |
| 17:51.59 | phobiac | babilen: Yup, same UID |
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| 17:52.21 | phobiac | looking deeper it appears that the groups and users it doesn't know are just being assigned to root |
| 17:52.25 | Resilience | dpkg -i interfaces |
| 17:52.27 | dpkg | removes a liver from resilience and replaces it with interfaces |
| 17:52.44 | Resilience | did I make something wrong? |
| 17:53.12 | babilen | Resilience: You gave the bot a nonsensical command |
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| 17:53.16 | phobiac | oh wait, I think I see what's going on |
| 17:53.30 | Resilience | babilen, uh... how can I question it about inrerfaces? |
| 17:53.41 | Resilience | interfaces* |
| 17:53.41 | babilen | Resilience: "/msg dpkg interfaces" |
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| 17:53.48 | Resilience | babilen, oh thabks |
| 17:53.59 | babilen | you are webcomfe! |
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| 17:54.42 | phobiac | babilen: so it's copying the UID and GID and the local system is just renaming those based on what it knows, but once I have it boot from the copied drive it should figure things out? |
| 17:54.43 | qhartman | I have source for a project that includes a "debian" directory with settings for building debs, but no DEBIAN package, so dpkg-deb doesn't like it. Any suggestions what tool this might be made for? |
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| 17:56.01 | qhartman | It's a python package if that is an extra clue. All the stuff I've tried so far hasn't worked, notably python-mkdebian |
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| 17:56.36 | phobiac | babilen: Thanks for the nudge in the right direction |
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| 17:57.28 | qhartman | misspoke above, it's missing the DEBIAN _directory_, not package. The "debian" directory has what looks mostly like the typical contents of the DEBIAN dir, but not quite. |
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| 17:59.44 | aton` | hi |
| 17:59.45 | p3rror | hello |
| 17:59.51 | p3rror | I ran ettercap in my lan |
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| 18:00.01 | aton` | what stuff is on the install dvd thats not on the install cd? |
| 18:00.03 | p3rror | so ettercap crashed and still flood the network |
| 18:00.04 | aton` | just more packages ? |
| 18:00.19 | p3rror | it still does mitm arp |
| 18:00.27 | p3rror | how can I stop this |
| 18:00.29 | p3rror | please |
| 18:00.29 | aton` | p3rror: killall -9 ettercap |
| 18:00.36 | aton` | (wild guess) |
| 18:00.43 | p3rror | aton`, there are no ettercap process |
| 18:00.51 | p3rror | aton`, it is crashed |
| 18:00.56 | aton` | then what generates the arp packets? |
| 18:01.03 | p3rror | aton`, I don"t now |
| 18:01.03 | babilen | aton`: Yes, exactly. The images simply differ the their package selection and in the preselection of desktop environment. You can, naturally, download everything you need during the installation if you have a working internet connection. |
| 18:01.04 | WilliamDotSI | in worst case |
| 18:01.06 | WilliamDotSI | one pc and his router |
| 18:01.07 | WilliamDotSI | in circles |
| 18:01.28 | _SP0F_ | have you tried turning the router off to stop it from arp'ing? |
| 18:01.32 | aton` | babilen: i want to install debian on a few virtualbox vms, slim systems without x |
| 18:01.45 | babilen | aton`: Do you have an internet connection? |
| 18:01.59 | aton` | babilen: yes i am on irc .) |
| 18:02.13 | aton` | so you suggest the net installer? |
| 18:02.20 | babilen | aton`: Well, the box you are installing on might not be or you don't want to route your VMs or whatnot. :) |
| 18:02.28 | aton` | yes of course, was j/k |
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| 18:02.54 | babilen | aton`: In that case I'd recommend the netinstall image with firmware (you don't really need it for VMs but it comes in handy later for other boxes. See "/msg dpkg firmware image" for details. |
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| 18:03.38 | babilen | aton`: btw, vbox is considerably slower than, say, Xen or KVM. I'd look into using virt-manager with quemu-kvm if you are hosting on Linux. |
| 18:03.43 | zykotick9 | aton`: if free software is an issue for you, use the regular netinst images |
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| 18:03.59 | babilen | Yeah, indeed zykotick9 :) |
| 18:04.16 | aton` | yes its an issue actually |
| 18:05.09 | aton` | babilen: is virtualbox that much slower when i just have a few ppl on the boxes per ssh, coding a bit? |
| 18:05.23 | aton` | i am hosting on gentoo linux |
| 18:05.23 | babilen | aton`: Well, firmware (and processor microcode (cf. /msg dpkg microcode)) is a bit of a tricky situation as you simply can't use a bunch of hardware without it. I don't really see it as "more non-free" just because I install a package rather than, "flash firmware" or so. |
| 18:05.28 | xreal | Can I "see" Debian's textinstall on ssh using ncurse or something |
| 18:05.31 | weenus | Vbox is fine for home setups |
| 18:05.35 | weenus | or small setups |
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| 18:05.48 | weenus | It's usually the HDD that limits speed anyway |
| 18:05.54 | aton` | babilen: i guess the virtualbox machines dont contain that kind of "hardware" :) |
| 18:06.24 | babilen | aton`: It is simply slower, if that matters for you is another question and I am also referring to specific benchmarks. I found virt-manager + qemu-kvm to be an excellent setup and simply recommend to look at it. |
| 18:06.45 | babilen | aton`: No, hence my qualification at the end (it comes in handy for other boxes) |
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| 18:07.09 | zykotick9 | aton`: also, be aware that kvm requires your CPU to support virtualization |
| 18:07.36 | babilen | aton`: Well, am using virt-manager, virsh, vagrant, packer.io and vagrant-libvirt most frequently these days |
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| 18:09.04 | babilen | aton`: But this is a *huge* topic that simply can't be boiled down to easy recipes as it really depends on your needs. I just find the ubiquity of vbox a bit sad as it definitely isn't the "best" solution for all situations and a bunch of people use it without ever looking at alternatives simply because it is common in the Windows or OSX community. |
| 18:09.08 | towo` | setting up a vm for ssh-accounts? |
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| 18:11.21 | weenus | Being cross-platiform is a good thing! |
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| 18:11.40 | weenus | Being very simple and straightforward to use is a good thing. |
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| 18:11.56 | aton` | babilen: its an easy to setup solution |
| 18:12.02 | zykotick9 | Being Oracle... not so good |
| 18:12.06 | aton` | true |
| 18:12.16 | aton` | i agree with everything that has been said :) |
| 18:12.25 | weenus | This serves to make introductions of virtualization to the GP easier. |
| 18:12.37 | aton` | towo`: yes, its a special environment |
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| 18:13.39 | babilen | weenus: Did I imply anything else? |
| 18:14.00 | aton` | i think i will try kvm+virt-manager |
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| 18:14.18 | weenus | @babilen Not explicitly. I thought I'd add some balance to the message though. |
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| 18:14.29 | babilen | aton`: virt-manager is very easy to use. I'd give it a try so you can make up your own mind. I mean it is about a suitable solution for you :D |
| 18:15.10 | babilen | aton`: Either way, use the netinst |
| 18:15.18 | qhartman | figured out it. it was built for debuild |
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| 18:15.26 | lapache | want to adopt a little package, could u advise me ? |
| 18:15.30 | weenus | I've tried qemu, XEN, vbox, various flavors of VMware. I use vbox, vmware, XEN in different capacities. |
| 18:15.39 | aton` | babilen: will use netinst-cd |
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| 18:16.09 | weenus | You can't use vbox and qemu simulataneously. As they use common plumbing. |
| 18:16.48 | weenus | namely vbox use some of qemu devices. |
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| 18:18.44 | aton` | as of the 1.3 release all qemu-kvm features have been merged into upstream QEMU <- nice |
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| 18:21.18 | frostschutz | .oO(isn't it 1.7) |
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| 18:26.58 | aton` | frostschutz: yes, i never used qemu though and babilen mentioned qemu-kvm |
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| 18:27.13 | aton` | so i read about it |
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| 18:30.20 | larks | was the nightly testing iso borked lately? |
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| 18:31.17 | zykotick9 | larks: maybe? why are you using a testing iso - unless you're testing for bugs, in the installer? |
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| 18:34.38 | jrock20041 | Working in Jessie, I cannot get nvidia driver to work. http://pastebin.com/mtBALEQZ |
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| 18:35.57 | jrock20041 | It seems like the nvidia module is loaded |
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| 18:36.11 | rozie | hello. I have Wheezy and newer kernel (3.12, backports). I noticed that chromium is crashing. any workaround? |
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| 18:36.23 | zykotick9 | jrock20041: 1) pastebin.com sucks and 2) for testing/sid your probably best to ask in #debian-next on oftc |
| 18:36.44 | xreal | Can I "see" Debian's textinstall on ssh using ncurse or something |
| 18:36.47 | jrock20041 | zykotick9: Thanks, will check them out |
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| 18:37.02 | jrock20041 | zykotick9: what is the replacement |
| 18:37.09 | jrock20041 | I always like pastebin |
| 18:37.21 | zykotick9 | jrock20041: paste.debian.net works <- no ads/tracking that way |
| 18:37.41 | jrock20041 | zykotick9: is there an command line app that lets you send output to it? |
| 18:37.42 | zykotick9 | !tell jrock20041 about pastebin.com |
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| 18:38.10 | zykotick9 | jrock20041: my alias - alias pastebinit='pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net' |
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| 18:41.40 | jrock20041 | Running Jessie and trying to get nvidia drivers to work. All I get is a black screen with blinking cursor. http://paste.debian.net/83186/ |
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| 18:42.22 | zykotick9 | jrock20041: now, if that was only in #debian-next you'd be flyin' ;) |
| 18:42.31 | jrock20041 | what |
| 18:42.36 | jrock20041 | I thought I joined it |
| 18:42.38 | jrock20041 | WTF |
| 18:42.47 | zykotick9 | !tell jrock20041 about oftc |
| 18:43.19 | jrock20041 | Oh, I cannot get into it, I need to be invited |
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| 18:44.03 | zykotick9 | jrock20041: see the dpkg message i just sent you, it's on a different irc network, called oftc |
| 18:44.22 | jrock20041 | oh |
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| 18:44.48 | jrock20041 | Yeah was just reading that :) |
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| 18:45.38 | zykotick9 | fyi, irc.debian.org is just a pointer to oftc |
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| 18:46.10 | jrock20041 | zykotick9: Thanks |
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| 18:46.51 | Some_Person | I'm having a problem with my hosts file -- entries in it don't seem to be working |
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| 18:47.35 | aton` | what is this kind of kernel dependency meant to tell me: && (MACVTAP [=n] || !MACVTAP [=n]) ? |
| 18:48.32 | zykotick9 | Some_Person: what do your entries look like? for example one of mine is "192.168.1.70 moss" and works fine |
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| 19:01.32 | aton` | babilen: will i need 802.1d ethernet bridging if i want the guest to have an own ip and be able to connect to nothing but a vpn server (another vm) ? |
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| 19:03.01 | aton` | probably better not to have a bridge to the host network |
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| 19:19.55 | axisys | does top give %CPU usage based on total number of cores or based on one core? |
| 19:20.40 | aton` | man top says: |
| 19:20.41 | aton` | Also for multi-processor environments, if 'Irix mode' is Off, top will operate in 'Solaris mode' where a task's cpu usage will be divided by the total number of CPUs. You toggle 'Irix/Solaris' modes with the 'I' interactive command. |
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| 19:21.45 | axisys | aton`: I read that.. so by default irix mode is on.. so 2% cpu is over 8 cores or just one core.. need some coffee :-) |
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| 19:22.00 | aton` | 2% total cpu usage |
| 19:22.06 | aton` | 2% out of 800% |
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| 19:22.18 | aton` | nah thats wrong |
| 19:22.20 | axisys | thaks |
| 19:22.22 | axisys | thanks |
| 19:22.23 | aton` | 2% out of 100(8 cores) |
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| 19:24.06 | liske1 | in debian is a new browser opera ?? |
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| 19:24.49 | liske1 | I have 12.16 |
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| 19:28.54 | liske1 | in debian is a new browser opera ?? |
| 19:28.55 | liske1 | I have 12.16 |
| 19:30.09 | zykotick9 | liske1: my search for opera, on packages.debian.org has no results... i don't think opera is a debian package |
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| 19:30.32 | liske1 | i download this from web page opera |
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| 19:31.08 | zykotick9 | liske1: so, why do you know think debian will have an update for it then? |
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| 19:31.46 | liske1 | i don`t now what opera have a update |
| 19:32.15 | zykotick9 | liske1: i guess i don't understand your question... best of luck. |
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| 19:32.22 | liske1 | thx xD |
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| 19:38.32 | aton` | apt doesnt have opera? |
| 19:39.04 | towo` | apt is a tool |
| 19:39.09 | towo` | it has nothing |
| 19:39.22 | towo` | and opera for linux is dead |
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| 19:40.41 | wols | aton`: opera is not Free software. it is not in debian and can never be. maybe it's in non-free but probably not |
| 19:40.48 | FeriKe | Hi, Can someone explain me what's the difference between linux kernels? I understand for new computers with new hardware the kernel needs to be updated but what else? |
| 19:40.58 | zykotick9 | towo`: humm, i didn't know opera (on gnu/linux) was dead - i certainly don't follow opera-news. why anyone would want to use a non-free browser is beyond me. |
| 19:41.21 | wols | zykotick9: to get less adverts in the browser of course :P |
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| 19:41.37 | zykotick9 | wols: of course ;) |
| 19:41.44 | wols | FeriKe: new kernels are "better". there is constant improvements with various things |
| 19:42.07 | bullgard6 | Description of the DEB program package »pyNeighborhood«: "pyNeighborhood is GTK2 Python rewrite of a well-known gtk1 tool "LinNeighborhood". It features group browser, favourite hosts manager and mounts monitor." - What is a »group browser«? |
| 19:42.11 | wols | FeriKe: supporting newer hardware is one thing, the thing most people running debian need to use a newer kernel from backports |
| 19:42.50 | wols | bullgard6: afaik it shows other PCs in your LAN. similar what you can do with samba |
| 19:43.25 | FeriKe | So why 3.2 version the default in 7.4 debian and not 3.12 if newer better |
| 19:43.31 | liske1 | that whats is a good browser for Linux Debian ?? |
| 19:43.51 | bullgard6 | wols: I would call that a "browser". Why is this called a "group browser"? |
| 19:44.22 | wols | cause it's a group of PCs, in a group/"workgroup" |
| 19:44.39 | wols | FeriKe: cause debian 7.x is _stable_. stable debian doesn't change |
| 19:45.00 | wols | liske1: iceweasel, epiphany, links, lynx, etc |
| 19:45.11 | bullgard6 | wols: I see. - Thank you for your explanation. |
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| 19:45.33 | wols | liske1: most people probably use iceweasel or some variation of chrome |
| 19:45.40 | liske1 | but i say for graphics i have a gnome |
| 19:45.44 | FeriKe | It means newer kernels aren't stable? |
| 19:46.03 | towo` | no |
| 19:46.06 | zykotick9 | !tell FeriKe about stable |
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| 19:46.28 | FeriKe | Ask the people who call debian STABLE |
| 19:46.34 | towo` | FeriKe, btw, you can install a bpo-kernel |
| 19:46.36 | wols | FeriKe: "stable" in debian speak doesn't mean what the word means in normal english |
| 19:47.19 | FeriKe | So if I change the kernel to 3.12 it will be rock solid as well? |
| 19:47.52 | FeriKe | towo`, bpo is an abbreviation of what? |
| 19:47.59 | aton` | towo`: what verb would you use to describe the relationship of apt to a package? |
| 19:48.14 | aton` | "know"? |
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| 19:48.19 | zykotick9 | notes, debian's "stable" and common computer "stable" OFTEN go hand in hand... |
| 19:48.19 | towo` | aton`, there is no opera in debian repos |
| 19:48.26 | aton` | i got that |
| 19:48.36 | aton` | i dont like opera anyways |
| 19:48.55 | towo` | ao "apt doesnt have opera?" makes no sense |
| 19:49.03 | towo` | s/a/s |
| 19:49.20 | berarma | FeriKe: security is the main difference |
| 19:49.21 | towo` | FeriKe, backports |
| 19:49.31 | aton` | towo`: depends on how strict your syntax parser is |
| 19:49.50 | berarma | FeriKe: packages in stable just have security updates |
| 19:49.52 | FeriKe | towo`, Aha |
| 19:50.44 | berarma | well, they fix bugs too but no newer features are added |
| 19:50.49 | FeriKe | berarma, Can you give some example about security? |
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| 19:51.03 | zykotick9 | !tell FeriKe about bpo |
| 19:52.07 | zykotick9 | FeriKe: the "security team" is _almost_ exclusively concerened with "stable"... but not entirely. |
| 19:52.39 | liske1 | Can I update Debian from 6.0.8 to 7+ and have a configuration ?? |
| 19:52.57 | liske1 | actually configuration* |
| 19:53.08 | zykotick9 | !tell liske1 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:53.25 | FeriKe | What feature has 3.12 kernel that 3.2 does not have? Security means someone can break into my system if it's not supported anymore? |
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| 19:53.57 | towo` | FeriKe, read the changelog |
| 19:53.59 | liske1 | yes squeeze -> wheezy ?? |
| 19:54.25 | zykotick9 | FeriKe: IMO (only) if you don't have a "need" to update your kernel, don't YMMV |
| 19:54.26 | FeriKe | towo`, Where can I find that |
| 19:54.33 | towo` | www.kernel.org |
| 19:55.17 | zykotick9 | liske1: did you read the dpkg PM message regarding squeeze->wheezy? |
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| 19:56.58 | FeriKe | If someone use stable kernel instead of longterm they change it monthly or what. I don't understand it really. |
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| 19:57.24 | liske1 | no i don`t have read this |
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| 19:58.09 | FeriKe | Is here a developer? |
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| 19:58.46 | liske1 | but i have a tutorial in the net thx :D |
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| 20:00.29 | FeriKe | I just wanted to let the developers know that with KDE the windows effects don't work until I install firmware-linux-nonfree and do this: |
| 20:00.32 | FeriKe | apt-get --purge remove fglrx-driver fglrx-modules-dkms fglrx-atieventsd libfglrx libfglrx-amdxvba1 |
| 20:01.23 | FeriKe | I spent 3 weeks to find out this problem. Maybe a useful information for you. I have an old Radeon 9600 card |
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| 20:06.01 | Toadstool2 | hi debian folks |
| 20:06.10 | Toadstool2 | im new |
| 20:06.33 | Toadstool2 | when i try to install via "sudo apt-get install" sometimes it asks me for a CDROM |
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| 20:06.46 | Toadstool2 | how do i make debian download the package? |
| 20:06.52 | wols | Toadstool2: remove the "cdrom" lines in your sources.list |
| 20:06.59 | Toadstool2 | thanks wols |
| 20:07.02 | wols | !tell Toadstool2 about wheezy sources.list |
| 20:07.41 | Toadstool2 | i hope you guys are in a patient mode today |
| 20:07.48 | Toadstool2 | i'll probably have a million noob questions |
| 20:07.59 | FeriKe | Ah, do i have to write the contrib non-free lines at every line ends or just ....? |
| 20:07.59 | Toadstool2 | mood* |
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| 20:10.23 | FeriKe | noone knows |
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| 20:11.31 | wols | FeriKe: normally only for main. the others don't have contrib or non-free. but just write it everywhere, apt will tell you if the repo doesn't exist and you can then fix |
| 20:11.50 | FeriKe | wols, Thanks |
| 20:12.24 | wols | that is, the apt-get update run will tell you |
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| 20:23.53 | Toadstool2 | is there a debian equivalent of add-apt-repository or do I have to edit the .lists file each time i want to add a source? |
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| 20:31.21 | unholycrab | how can i get a full recursive tree of dependencies for a given package? apt-cache depends will give only the immediate dependencies, but not the packages that those packages depend on |
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| 20:32.59 | boycottg00gle | unholycrab: --recurse |
| 20:33.07 | boycottg00gle | unholycrab: s.a. man apt-cache |
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| 20:37.06 | Toadstool2 | home@debian:~$ sudo echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 20:37.09 | Toadstool2 | bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: Permission denied |
| 20:37.11 | Toadstool2 | home@debian:~$ |
| 20:37.15 | Toadstool2 | why am i getting permission denied? |
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| 20:37.28 | Toadstool2 | i ran the command as root |
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| 20:37.57 | Toadstool2 | im on the sudoers list |
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| 20:39.13 | Toadstool2 | nevermind i got it |
| 20:39.18 | Toadstool2 | had to run it from the root terminal |
| 20:39.30 | Toadstool2 | odd how that works |
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| 20:39.46 | ScottE | Toadstool2: not at all, the redirection is happening in the shell as your regular user otherwise |
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| 20:40.29 | Toadstool2 | yeah that makes sense |
| 20:40.33 | Toadstool2 | im just not used to it |
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| 20:40.43 | Toadstool2 | brb gotta reboot |
| 20:40.48 | Toadstool2 | thanks for your help ScottE |
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| 20:53.20 | zgrks | Hi all. I'm a beginner. It seems like I'm missing Java plug-in on Iceweasel |
| 20:53.27 | zgrks | I couldn't manage to install it . |
| 20:53.40 | zgrks | what exactly should I do? Can somebody help me with that ? |
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| 20:55.26 | zgrks | nobody ? |
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| 20:58.48 | towo` | zgrks, apt-get install icedtea-6-plugin |
| 20:58.59 | zgrks | I did apt-get install sun-java7-plugin |
| 20:59.14 | zgrks | towo`: it didn't work |
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| 20:59.24 | towo` | sun-java7-plugin doesn't exist |
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| 21:00.09 | towo` | apt-get install icedtea-7-plugin would be better |
| 21:00.17 | zgrks | towo`: sorry. I mistyped. I tried with icedtea-7-plugin |
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| 21:00.26 | towo` | and? |
| 21:00.42 | zgrks | towo`: it says, it's already installed. nothing to update |
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| 21:01.10 | towo` | about:plugins in iceweasel shoes the plugin? |
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| 21:01.58 | zgrks | towo`: tools > plug-ins , no. It's not there |
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| 21:02.37 | towo` | zgrks, update-alternatives --config mozilla-javaplugin.so sayes what? |
| 21:03.07 | zgrks | towo`: There is only one alternative in link group mozilla-javaplugin.so (providing /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so): /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/lib/amd64/IcedTeaPlugin.so Nothing to configure. |
| 21:03.44 | towo` | you have the browser restarted after install? |
| 21:03.58 | zgrks | towo`: yes. |
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| 21:04.21 | towo` | zgrks, apt-get --reinstall install icedtea-7-plugin |
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| 21:05.01 | zgrks | towo`: I've reinstalled. |
| 21:05.54 | zgrks | towo`: I'll be back after restarting the browser |
| 21:05.54 | berarma | zgrks: dpkg -l iceweasel icedtea-7-plugin |
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| 21:08.25 | jhutchins | I think freenode may be having issues. |
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| 21:11.54 | jhutchins | Um, yeah, definite issues, netsplit and possibly dos. |
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| 21:21.54 | AmbiguousOutlier | hello, long time ubuntu, first time debian user, i can't ssh in, I didn't install desktop, I can only get in as root? does debian not install with any users by default? or did I just type my password in wrong? |
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| 21:22.24 | petemc | AmbiguousOutlier: check /var/log/auth.log |
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| 21:23.26 | dondelelcaro | AmbiguousOutlier: if you created a user at install time, then there is a normal user that you can ssh in as. |
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| 21:23.46 | dondelelcaro | AmbiguousOutlier: if it's not working, then you may have the username or password wrong |
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| 21:26.03 | AmbiguousOutlier | yes you can |
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| 21:29.22 | dondelelcaro | AmbiguousOutlier: yes, just as root, passwd foouser; and then enter the appropriate password. |
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| 21:32.01 | AmbiguousOutlier | i normally get a nice report on how my ubuntu server is doing when i ssh in. do you guys have something similar? |
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| 22:07.01 | ktorvalds | hello! I'm having a bit of trouble. I have my workspace switcher set up with 4 workspaces in 2 rows. I've configured the keyboard shortcuts to move between them: ctrl+alt+up/down/left/right. However, only left/right works, and does so as if the workspaces are still in one row. Any suggestions? Thanks! |
| 22:07.07 | ktorvalds | this is in xfce |
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| 22:08.55 | jhutchins | ktorvalds: I think that's just the way it's going to work. It doesn't know how you've laid them out. |
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| 22:09.54 | ktorvalds | hmm. It worked fine with gnome, all I had to do there was open the switcher's properties and put the workspaces in 2 rows (as I've done here). |
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| 22:16.34 | nevyn | aton`: it's proprietary software so probably not. |
| 22:17.08 | Guest87235 | Hello I'm using wine from the ubuntu packages. How I may enable both 32bit and 64bits support for the same wineprefix (I need a 64-bits application using a 32-bits installer: Not a problem thanks WOW on MS windows :) ). |
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| 22:19.08 | MACscr2 | anyone have any ideas why i am getting this error every 15 seconds in my syslog for snmpd on wheezy? |
| 22:19.10 | MACscr2 | http://hastebin.com/vugokukaso.coffee |
| 22:19.27 | MACscr2 | google keeps telling me its a bug, but from like 5 years ago |
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| 22:20.14 | Guest87235 | MACscr2: Simply Ask google to give you result no more older than 1 year.... |
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| 22:20.24 | Guest87235 | MACscr2: Simply Ask google to give you results, no more older than 1 year.... |
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| 22:20.39 | MACscr2 | Guest87235: i of course tried that |
| 22:20.57 | Guest87235 | Sorry |
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| 22:22.08 | DamienRed94 | HEllo |
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| 22:22.53 | DamienRed94 | Is debian a server or just a workstation OS? |
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| 22:23.31 | centrx | DamienRed94, Both? |
| 22:23.36 | centrx | DamienRed94, And desktop too? |
| 22:23.41 | DamienRed94 | Desktop is what i mean |
| 22:23.47 | rryoumaa | the distinction is not clear cut |
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| 22:24.00 | DamienRed94 | when you say both, is that because debian is also a server OS? or are you implying that any linux distro could be a server? |
| 22:24.11 | centrx | Debian is a general-purpose operating system which supports many kinds of uses. |
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| 22:24.35 | DamienRed94 | Okay, let me rephrase the question... because i realise it was a stupid question lol |
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| 22:25.12 | DamienRed94 | baring in mind im new to linux lol..... is debian a common choice to be used as a server? |
| 22:25.21 | centrx | Yes |
| 22:25.30 | DamienRed94 | it seems to be a popular OS, and i want to start playing with linux servers on whatever the most common OS is... just so support is eaiser to find |
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| 22:26.09 | centrx | Debian-based distributions are the most common type of Linux. |
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| 22:26.44 | jordanm | centrx: citation needed |
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| 22:27.00 | miseria | la palabra manipuladora que dice un perdedor y arrogante pacifista si no estas conmigo, eres mi enemigo bienvenidos httpcastroruben.com temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival |
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| 22:27.40 | NoirX | centrx the trio "debian/slackware/redhat" is the base distros |
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| 22:27.49 | MACscr2 | centrx: thats not true at all when it comes to servers |
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| 22:28.28 | MACscr2 | rhel/centos has a large corner on the server market |
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| 22:28.32 | DamienRed94 | Is anything that installs .deb fiels a debian distro of some sort? |
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| 22:28.54 | Guest87235 | DamienRed94: When You see differrnces beetween client/server version. Usally clients windows are stripped down server editions. But you have things in more which are designed for servers like DIrectx and Sound. In debian All are packages If you want windows just install Xorg. If you want http server you can install apache. |
| 22:29.01 | centrx | MACscr, It could be a close call between Red-Hat-based and Debian-based servers |
| 22:29.48 | rryoumaa | there was a report on a debian mailing list recently about debian-based being something like hte most popular server linux or something |
| 22:29.52 | DamienRed94 | yeah, i just meant for like..... as an example, i was trying to get head with sound settings the other day on linux, and its impossible to find help for linux mint because no one really uses it |
| 22:29.58 | DamienRed94 | or at least that i could find on google |
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| 22:30.12 | MACscr2 | mint is just a ubuntu flavor |
| 22:30.28 | Guest87235 | DamienRed94: There are no speration. When you download a distribution you download a 'sort of preset' of installed pacakages. You can near all packages on the same installation at time! |
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| 22:31.04 | DamienRed94 | oh oaky |
| 22:31.15 | DamienRed94 | like said above about running an apache httpd server |
| 22:31.16 | Guest87235 | so unlike in windows you can install games as well as web-server software |
| 22:31.19 | NoirX | rryoumaa i think ubuntu is the most installed linux os |
| 22:31.20 | DamienRed94 | well, what you typed above |
| 22:31.31 | rryoumaa | NoirX: sounds right |
| 22:31.46 | NoirX | :) |
| 22:31.47 | Guest87235 | at the same time |
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| 22:31.56 | DamienRed94 | i like linux mint |
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| 22:32.03 | DamienRed94 | ubuntu flavour* someone said above |
| 22:32.11 | DamienRed94 | or it is a ubuntu flavour, even. |
| 22:32.32 | mtn | DamienRed94: more like based on, but uses ubuntu repos for the most part. you can look up distros on distrowatch and wikipedia |
| 22:33.18 | DamienRed94 | ill look into that sotra stuff at another point |
| 22:33.24 | DamienRed94 | im learning python and learning linux |
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| 22:33.48 | Guest87235 | I'm using wine from the ubuntu packages. How I may enable both 32bit and 64bits support for the same wineprefix (I need a 64-bits application using a 32-bits installer: Not a problem thanks WOW on MS windows :) ). |
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| 22:33.54 | Guest87235 | ? |
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| 22:34.20 | mtn | Guest87235: it is not a good idea to mix distro packages. what is wrong with debian's wine? |
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| 22:35.48 | CrowdCtrl | man tty... i crashed my os today, 3 hours without gui gave me lot of knowledge i needed |
| 22:35.56 | NoirX | i am new to debian, i switched from slackware, i really appreciate debian package system, i like debian |
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| 22:36.08 | centrx | :) |
| 22:36.13 | jordanm | AFAIK wine is only 32bit |
| 22:36.41 | freq | omfg |
| 22:36.41 | Guest87235 | mtn: I didn't say I wanted to compile wine |
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| 22:36.47 | centrx | And...it's back |
| 22:36.58 | mtn | Guest87235: ? I didn't suggest or say you did, did I? |
| 22:37.02 | jordanm | the amd64 provided in the archives is cross-compiled |
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| 22:37.53 | Guest87235 | jordanm: Your're WRONG! in recent version (which are available in debian) it is possible to run 64-bits packages. |
| 22:38.01 | Guest87235 | with wine |
| 22:38.14 | centrx | Gee whiz. How wrong is he? |
| 22:38.33 | tharkun | freq: ?? |
| 22:38.38 | jordanm | Guest87235: well, it still build depends on all 32bit libs |
| 22:38.44 | Guest87235 | mtn: I'm looking on how to run both 32-bits and 64-bits PE |
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| 22:38.53 | NoirX | anyone studying lpi 1 |
| 22:39.00 | Guest87235 | jordanm: No! And that's the problem |
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| 22:39.07 | mtn | Guest87235: this is what I said: it is not a good idea to mix distro packages. what is wrong with debian's wine? |
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| 22:39.28 | mtn | Guest87235: so, I have no idea what you are talking about ;) |
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| 22:40.16 | Guest87235 | mtn: I didn't sayed I wanted to use packages from other distros (at least not yet). |
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| 22:40.53 | mtn | Guest87235: hmm, either you are using debian and ubuntu wine packages (as you said) or you are using ubuntu, which is not supported here. |
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| 22:41.15 | jordanm | neither of those are supported here |
| 22:41.24 | mtn | that was kinda my point |
| 22:41.32 | Guest87235 | mtn; Where I wrote "ubuntu"? |
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| 22:41.42 | mtn | [14:33] <Guest87235> I'm using wine from the ubuntu packages |
| 22:41.45 | freq | lol^ |
| 22:41.59 | freq | microwaved hotdog. what you gonna do about it |
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| 22:42.08 | Guest87235 | Ah Ok... Sorry I thought I wrote debian |
| 22:42.16 | mtn | jeez |
| 22:42.18 | Guest87235 | ;---\ |
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| 22:42.45 | Toadstool2 | so excited.... |
| 22:42.57 | Toadstool2 | i got qemu installed |
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| 22:43.00 | Guest87235 | note: (always read yourself twice before posting) |
| 22:43.07 | Toadstool2 | if this works the way i want i'll never need windows again |
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| 22:43.50 | Guest87235 | Toadstool2: Sure because You'll just have it installed inside a qemu VM! |
| 22:43.59 | Toadstool2 | yep |
| 22:44.02 | unholycrab | apt-get install apache2-mpm-itk REMOVES apache2-mpm-prefork... what if i want to have both packages installed? |
| 22:44.07 | Toadstool2 | i used to use wine to run my windows games |
| 22:44.20 | Toadstool2 | that sorta worked sometimes |
| 22:44.36 | unholycrab | oh, conflicts apache2-mpm |
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| 22:44.43 | Toadstool2 | i was reading about a vga passthrough feature |
| 22:45.11 | jhutchins | unholycrab: You probably don't. You either run one or the other. |
| 22:45.20 | Toadstool2 | apparently you can use windows in the virtual machine to take full advantage of the GPU |
| 22:45.30 | Toadstool2 | so you can play even the most demanding games |
| 22:45.40 | Toadstool2 | i saw a video of a guy playing bioshock infinite on debian |
| 22:45.44 | Toadstool2 | it blew my mind |
| 22:45.47 | jhutchins | Toadstool2: Except those that don't work on VMs. |
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| 22:46.20 | User01_ | *.net <-> *.split |
| 22:46.23 | adkins | hey guys. sometimes pm-suspend doesnt work. it just comes back to X (NOT ALWAYS though). kern.log says: "PM: Device 0000:00:19.0 failed to suspend async: error -2" AND "PM: Some devices failed to suspend Device" Device 0:0:19.0 is my ethernet card. What can i do? |
| 22:46.51 | Guest87235 | mtn: And It didn't worked. You may try http://www.longene.org/download.php if you undestand chineese. It run windows from the kernel wheras wine act like a user-space wrapper. So you may also use windows drivers |
| 22:46.58 | Toadstool2 | with VM's like KVM and XEN you can jhutchins |
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| 22:47.18 | Toadstool2 | dosent work so well with vmware and virtualbox |
| 22:47.26 | User01_ | is working with xenserver now, it is difficult. |
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| 22:47.37 | Toadstool2 | yeah that's why i opted for kvm |
| 22:47.38 | Toadstool2 | lol |
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| 22:47.46 | Toadstool2 | xenserver is too complicated |
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| 22:48.29 | Guest87235 | (but I need a recent kernel for btrfs) |
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| 22:48.45 | User01_ | It said it installed debian and I told it yes install grub on the mbr, xenserver came back and said it couldn't find the partition containing the kernel. |
| 22:49.16 | User01_ | I'm thinking I should upgrade gperted. |
| 22:49.26 | User01_ | *gparted |
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| 22:49.53 | User01_ | gparted I have running in a debian wheezy chroot on the centos dom0 |
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| 22:50.42 | User01_ | it says my SAS disk is blank, and it has this error: /dev/sdb: unrecognized disk label |
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| 22:51.19 | User01_ | which could either mean it has encountered all zeroes, or there is somethnig to do with lvm/gpt/efi |
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| 22:52.21 | User01_ | ,versions gparted |
| 22:52.22 | judd | Package: gparted on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.0-1; wheezy: 0.12.1-2; jessie: 0.17.0-5; sid: 0.17.0-5 |
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| 22:52.34 | Toadstool2 | is there any reason i shouldnt get rid of iceweasel and install firefox? |
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| 22:53.02 | User01_ | firefox may leave you with a bug that means you can't use the mouse to get at the menubar. |
| 22:53.03 | mrdeb | hi |
| 22:53.13 | Toadstool2 | ah |
| 22:53.16 | User01_ | hil |
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| 22:53.40 | mrdeb | Toadstool2: esr is more stable in 24.3 |
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| 22:53.44 | Guest87235 | mtn: My problem is that I'm currently running 32-bits windows using wine from the 32-bits debian repos. So it ask for separate windows (wineprefix) installation for running 64-bits programs. In my case I have a 32 bits installer which write many keys over the registry for a 64 bits application. |
| 22:53.56 | mrdeb | also it comes withj fewer toys |
| 22:54.10 | mtn | Guest87235: Wine support is at #winehq on the freenode server and http://www.winehq.org/ |
| 22:54.26 | User01_ | winehq told me to recompile wine for wine64 and then just use that |
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| 22:55.22 | Guest87235 | mtn: #winehq is like MUTED! |
| 22:55.36 | Guest87235 | (nobody talk) |
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| 22:57.28 | User01_ | I think those guys know that wine doesn't work natively for me at least |
| 22:57.39 | User01_ | I mean, on w7. |
| 22:58.25 | Guest87235 | mtn: Morover the qestions like which might come like what pacakages need to be installed for a dual 32/64 bits version, is definitely a debian question. |
| 22:58.49 | mtn | Guest87235: good luck |
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| 23:02.21 | Guest87235 | :-( |
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| 23:09.29 | mrdeb | hi |
| 23:09.37 | Toadstool2 | hi |
| 23:09.47 | mrdeb | which debian iso can u download that will include nvidia-glx and other apps on the disc, so i dont need to go online after install |
| 23:09.56 | abrotman | Cannot |
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| 23:11.15 | mrdeb | what |
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| 23:16.21 | abrotman | mrdeb: no |
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| 23:18.46 | ktorvalds | Recap of my question, lost my connection a couple minutes ago. I'm running debian wheezy with xfce4. workspace switcher set with 4 workspaces, 2 rows. set keyboard shortcuts, but ctrl+alt+up/down don't work, left/right work as if just one row. any help? thanks |
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| 23:19.01 | amatecha | super quick question, using dependency-based booting and I removed/edited a couple init scripts.. how do I get the system to "re-initialize" or re-run the scripts to reflect my changes (such as removing a couple services)? |
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| 23:23.29 | mrdeb | what no |
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| 23:29.48 | amatecha | shutdown -r now it is |
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| 23:37.43 | terr_ | Hopefully a simple answer. I have not been to sourceforge for several years. I think the project I posted a solution for a problem is the k3b project. As I recall there were several tabs and I can't quite recall them but one might have been along the line of bug reports or bug fixes. This is where I remember posting the solution which was jsut a linux (in this case Debian) misconfiguration of the generic SCSI system.. permissions as I |
| 23:37.43 | terr_ | recall. In any event I did a google search on sourceforge k3b and it took me to http://sourceforge.net/projects/k3b/ I can find no section on bug reports. Where should I look? |
| 23:38.28 | jhutchins | terr_: The kde project usually doesn't accept bugreports on packaged versions. |
| 23:39.47 | terr_ | jhutchins: where would that old report be then? |
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| 23:52.45 | jhutchins | terr_: Possibly the kde project, and I don't have current info about them. |
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| 23:54.16 | terr_ | jhutchins: wasnt' a KDE problem. It was a misconfiguration of the generic SCSI |
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| 23:55.47 | Toadstool2 | how do i uninstall nvidia drivers? |
| 23:56.04 | Toadstool2 | i need to revert back to the motherboard graphics |
| 23:56.30 | Toadstool2 | the goal is to get vga passthrough to work with QEMU/KVM |
| 23:57.39 | Toadstool2 | do i even need to uninstall the drivers? |
| 23:57.43 | Toadstool2 | *scratches head* |
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